IRC log for #wowuidev on 20091127

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00:06.25KrapsGRID is hard
00:26.27p3limlua> x = {['test1'] = true,['test3'] = true} y = x['test2'] print(y)
00:26.34lua_botp3lim: nil
00:26.41p3limlua> x = {['test1'] = true,['test3'] = true} y = x['test1'] print(y)
00:26.43lua_botp3lim: true
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01:06.58DWSRhey all
01:07.18DWSRAnyone in here good with PHP? Need some help parsing a World of Logs page that requires authentication.
01:07.44DWSRAnd before you ask, I can't get into ##php. Using the webchat client atm.
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01:08.20cbreakI don't use PHP, but there are three basic types of authentication for HTTP I can think of
01:08.32cbreakone is SSL Client certs. You probably don't have to do that
01:08.38cbreakother is Cookie based
01:09.02cbreakso you probably have to send some kind of Cookie in the header which you can get by authenticating with password
01:09.17cbreakthe third is HTTP authentication, where you just send the authentification data every time in the header
01:10.16cbreakhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_access_authentication is about basic auth
01:11.19cbreakHmm... there's also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digest_access_authentication
01:11.35cbreakwhich authentification do you need? :)
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01:17.56DWSRcbreak: Cookie authentication.
01:18.17DWSRstream_context_create() seems to do the trick, when passed a properly formatted array.
01:18.22DWSRGogo Gadget Google.
01:22.05DWSRugh, passing sessionids is such a dirty dirty hack
01:22.11DWSRBut WoL provides no RSS feed.
01:24.04Lopeppeppyis screaming at the football game already, less than 2 minutes in!
01:25.44Cairennlol
01:25.58Lopeppeppy35 seconds of game play, and offense calls a time out.
01:26.22amroreal football has no timeouts!
01:26.40Lopeppeppyreal football also apparently has quarterbacks with cohones.
01:26.53LopeppeppyWhich I'm sure I can't spell properly, lacking them myself.
01:27.22amro-h+j, and I'm talking about real football. the one where you actually kick the ball around
01:27.33industrialWhat is the general way of addon a keybind to your addon with the keybind appearing in the keybinds config? Is there a wowwiki page?
01:28.33industrialthey should name american football "handegg".
01:32.06LopeppeppyI really really miss my football friend on days like today!  Rawr.
01:32.54theorbtwoindustrial: Why do you want to avoid appearing in the keybindings config?
01:33.39industrialtheorbtwo: I never said I want to avoid it. I want to know the method how.
01:34.50industrials/ how/
01:35.10industrials/\/$/\/\//
01:35.18industrialpokes purl
01:37.38industrialgot it, Bindings.xml :p
01:37.46cbreakindustrial: indeed.
01:37.51cbreakit doesn't have to be mentioned in the toc either
01:37.55theorbtwoAh.  Sorry, somehow I read "with the keybind" as "without the keybind".
01:38.24theorbtwoindustrial: And I don't need purl to evaulate regexes for me -- in fact, I find it quite annoying that she tries to.
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01:49.16WobWorkpft
01:49.21WobWorkreal football doesn't need padding
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01:52.58cbreakI heard americans
01:53.07Lopeppeppyno way
01:53.08cbreakpad their football with tones of commercial breaks
01:53.09Lopeppeppywe're super quiet
01:53.19Lopeppeppycommercials for beer, and beef jerky
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02:08.49Lopeppeppyheya, AbsolutRayne_.
02:17.55AbsolutRayne_Hi Peppy
02:19.15LopeppeppyHappy Turducken Day?
02:20.21AbsolutRayne_Im a Canuck now, but thank you. :P
02:20.28AbsolutRayne_Howre you, hun?
02:22.44industrialIs it possible to replace the texture used in the minimap to indicate the player (arrow)?
02:23.05industrialI want an arrow over the full diameter
02:23.11LopeppeppyDoin' spiffy, watching football since I'm American still.  :P
02:23.16industrialone pixel/unit wide
02:26.36industrialI made an awesome addon to move the minimap from wherever it was to the center of the screen and back with a toggle key so I can use it for herbing/mining
02:27.15industrialI found myself getting sore eyes from looking to the topright all the time to follow the Routes route :p
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02:27.45cbreaknext step: make it a HUD like the paths in a flight sim.
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02:27.53industrialbut a one pixel line across the minimap to indicate the direction would be awesome since then I can align it with the route :p
02:27.56industrialhttp://images.gammatester.com/pics/01881eb38bc4b117cc75e76c49f3ddd2.jpg
02:28.02industrialcbreak: actually I was working on that sec
02:28.29industrialits called idFlightMode right now, not sure what I want with it;
02:29.09industrialhttp://images.gammatester.com/pics/fadcb8cbddd69b29e6b95f828f37e00c.jpg
02:29.10industrialhttp://images.gammatester.com/pics/8b994f2757186c636fd6a3b5820d16e6.jpg
02:30.33industrialit creates a crosshair and horizontal line and shows it whenever you mount a flight mount, the horizontal line lines up with the crosshair when your pitch is 0
02:30.57industrialthe idea was to create several numbered lines for a flight hud but having the line be the total screen width got me thinking
02:31.15industrialwhat if there would be a compass on it ... :O!
02:32.06cbreakcan you get your pitch from the API?
02:32.22DWSRyes
02:33.11cbreakcool. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-up_display has a few nice pics :)
02:33.39industrialhttp://github.com/Industrial/idFlightMode
02:33.44industrialyou can try it out :p
02:33.52industrialtheres a flight hud mod out there already though
02:34.03industrial(I'm always reinventing the wheel for fun ..)
02:35.51cbreakcloned it to my Interfaces/AddOns
02:35.59cbreakif I can't log in tomorrow I know who to blame :)
02:36.19DWSRhttp://i45.tinypic.com/316osoz.jpg <- Comments
02:37.40industrialcbreak: :p
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02:44.22DWSRhttp://i45.tinypic.com/316osoz.jpg <- Comments?
02:44.34cbreakDWSR: you should have rolled a mage.
02:44.41DWSRcbreak: I have a walrock
02:44.44DWSRwarlock*
02:44.48cbreakclose enough. :)
02:44.55DWSRLeveling to have a second dailies toon.
02:45.10DWSRI was thinking more on the UI though, ;)
02:45.16cbreakdoesn't like that bar texture
02:45.28DWSRyeah, I'm not really happy with it either, but I don't really know what I want to change it to.
02:46.14cbreakI use this: http://images.thecorewithin.net/images/Dust/anubarakk25.jpg
02:46.36cbreakbantobar texture everywhere
02:47.00DWSRwow, that is a crazy busy UI
02:47.05cbreakyes.
02:47.05DWSRalso, WTB no overlap. :P
02:47.17cbreakI wouldn't fit it on screen without overlap...
02:47.34cbreakbesides, I never read the combat log anyway these days... :)
02:47.48DWSRSo just remove it.
02:47.52DWSRLooks sloppy otherwise.
02:47.55cbreakNOO!
02:47.59cbreakI could need it some time
02:48.03cbreakmaybe
02:48.09DWSRThen tab it with your other chat window.
02:48.22DWSRAlso, static positioned tooltip FTL.
02:48.24cbreakhmm.
02:48.39cbreakthe tooltip has to be there so I can ignore it more easily
02:48.51DWSRget TipTac, disable in combat.
02:48.51DWSRgg.
02:49.05cbreakthen I can not use it when I want to in combat
02:49.23cbreakscreen corner is nice out of the way since I never look there unless I want to
02:49.27DWSRWhen are you using it in combat?
02:49.39cbreakdon't know. I might some time
02:49.53cbreakright, to watch at the descriptions of debuffs I get
02:50.04DWSRlolwhy?
02:50.11cbreakto find out what they do?
02:50.22DWSRWrong: That's how you're doing it
02:50.25LopeppeppyIf they are new and exciting, yes, of course.
02:50.29cbreakdo you not care what you will die to 2 secs later? :)
02:50.42DWSRDBM/BW screams at you for anything life threatening.
02:50.51cbreakI don't use those.
02:50.54cbreaktoo bussy :)
02:50.59DWSRWrong: that's how you're doing it.
02:51.23cbreakwhat wrong?
02:51.28cbreakit's exactly 100% correct
02:51.53DWSRYou *should* know which debuffs are important.
02:52.04cbreakso, and how? by reading the descriptions...
02:52.10DWSRBy reading a wowwiki page...
02:52.30cbreakthat's for people who can't raid themselves
02:52.39cbreakand have to follow a script to beat bosses
02:52.54DWSRKnowing a boss' abilities is not following a script.
02:52.57LopeppeppySometimes groups just go into instances for fun, without uber preparing, just to see how it feels.  And then omg they have to read their buffs and their tooltips
02:53.12DWSRFollowing a strat vid to the letter is following a script.
02:53.56Shirikre-huggles Lopeppeppy
02:54.36DWSRcbreak: You running hardmodes?
02:54.46LopeppeppyHeya, Shirik
02:54.50cbreaksometimes.
02:55.03cbreakmy guild is rather casual though
02:55.17DWSRheh
02:55.44cbreak(its mostly easy 25 stuff like ToTC 25 and hard 10 stuff like ToTC 10 hard)
02:55.55DWSRTotC10 is such a joke.
02:55.58DWSRToGC*
02:56.09Shirikok so if "toc 25 and hard" and "toc 10 and hard" are easy
02:56.11Shirikwhat's hard?
02:56.24Slakaha wall?
02:56.26DWSRHe's saying 25 easy stuff like TotC25.
02:56.30DWSRAnd hard stuff like ToGC10
02:56.31DWSRerr.
02:56.32Shiriko
02:56.35DWSRreverse those.
02:56.40DWSRBut yeah, you're just grouping the phrases wrong.
02:56.49ShirikI blame the lack of commas!
02:56.52DWSRIndeed
02:56.59cbreakoperator precedence!
02:57.01DWSRToGC25 is pretty easy, it's just a stupid check.
02:57.10DWSRExcept Anub. Fuck Anub.
02:57.24cbreakour best in 25 is anub 22 :)
02:57.37cbreak(we're short on people lately :( )
02:57.40DWSRlol
02:57.49DWSRYeah, my guild's fairly hardcore. Looking for some server firsts when ICC hits.
02:58.02cbreakwe're looking too. but not seriously :)
02:58.13DWSRlol, yeah.
02:58.24cbreaktonight the 10 man people did ToTC 10 with 48 wipes left
02:58.25DWSRI'm so fucking excited, finally got rid of all my <ilvl226 gear.
02:58.40cbreakI still have some.
02:58.46DWSRlol
02:59.03cbreakand... the new mage set from icecrown looks like warlock gear... so I think I'll keep what I have for some time
02:59.05DWSRPicked up heroic Shawl of Refreshing Winds and heroic Boots of Grieving Souls.
02:59.09DWSRlol
02:59.14DWSRYeah, I'm uber pumped for Warlock T10.
02:59.22DWSRAfter how bad the Alliance got shafted on clothie T9.
02:59.28DWSRI mean, Horde T9 looks badass.
02:59.40cbreakhmm... horde gets different visuals?
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02:59.45DWSRFor T9 they did.
02:59.45cbreakI find t9 not too bad
02:59.47Amarandehrm.
02:59.58AmarandeI don't suppose 3.3 is going to reduce the amount of mats needed to level BS and Eng from 225-300
03:00.01DWSRNo.
03:00.07DWSRDon't be a scrub. Do your dailies.
03:00.10cbreakwithout looking at the url DWSR
03:00.17cbreaktell me the class that gear is for: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/october/tier10_mage_female.jpg
03:00.31AmarandeDWSR: that's assuming there's five hundred and twenty thorium bars even *on* the AH, or if I'll have to hit Burning Steppes anyway
03:00.52DWSRcbreak: Yeah, that's definitely lock gear.
03:00.56cbreakit somehow reminds me like a crossover between molten core warrior and BWL warlock gear
03:01.04DWSRcbreak: But, it's modelled after the San'layn.
03:01.33cbreakI have no idea what that is
03:01.44cbreakbut she had a bad taste in clothing
03:02.16DWSRSan'layn = undead BEs.
03:02.34cbreak... no wonder. Bad taste.
03:02.37DWSRlol
03:02.55DWSRimo, http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/october/tier10_warlock_male.jpg kthxbai.
03:03.15cbreakhey. be happy you can hide the hat.
03:03.27DWSRYou kidding? I fucking love the whole set.
03:03.53cbreakI find it depressingly warlocking
03:04.05DWSRthe hat needs at least the shoulders or something else with it (else I look like a KKK member), but *shrug*. It's awesome otherwise.
03:04.17DWSRSo dark and "I'ma nom nom yo face"-y.
03:04.33cbreakthe gnome looks out of place in that picture
03:04.38DWSRmhm
03:04.49DWSRNeeds to be zoomed out.
03:04.50AmarandeMage T10 makes my blood elf woman wish she was a mage instead of a warlock ...
03:05.01Amarandeoh well, maybe in a year or three when they add Paid Class Change :P
03:05.05DWSRThey won't.
03:05.14DWSRElse everyone will level DKs and class change them.
03:05.19cbreak!
03:05.19AmarandeDWSR: they always said they wouldn't add paid race change, either LOL
03:05.20DWSRtotally breaking the game.
03:05.23cbreakArch Mage heroe class
03:05.32DWSRAmarande: Paid Race Change doesn't break things like a Paid Class Change.
03:05.35Amarandebesides, by two or three years from now, with the attitude they have about pre-outland
03:05.39cbreakDWSR: I don't think that easier leveling would break anything
03:05.44Amarandeblizzard will probably make 1-58 into "Press Here To Level To 58"
03:05.53cbreakappart from having more noobs at max level
03:06.40Amarandeok, am I safe in assuming that 520 thorium bars is pretty much a minimum for leveling BS and Eng 225-300? :|
03:06.56DWSRfind a guide.
03:06.58DWSRTake a look.
03:06.59DWSR???
03:07.01DWSRProfit.
03:07.09cbreaknah. that's for people who need a script
03:07.15cbreakjust try it out and report back when you're done :)
03:07.49Amarandemeanwhile shudders again
03:07.54DWSRwow.
03:07.54Amarandejust thought of how long it's going to take to *smelt* all that thorium
03:08.07DWSRScourge Strike in its current form is so retarded.
03:08.23cbreakyou can read a book while smelting
03:08.35Amarandeplus the 195 mithril bars I need, too
03:10.27DWSRAmarande: Just imagine how long it takes to turn in 1405 lockboxes for Ravenholdt rep.
03:10.34DWSRThen remember that lockboxes don't stack.
03:10.36Lopeppeppyyou'll find mithril along with the thorium sometimes, they share some zones
03:11.21Amarandeand probably, the most puke-worthy of the mats I need for the leveling method I worked out is ... *50* Star Rubies
03:11.54Lopeppeppyugly, but sell off the extra ore you get trying to mine for them and buy some on the AH
03:13.29cbreakcan you mill herbs like smelting these days?
03:13.35cbreakin beta you had to click on each stack to do it
03:13.38cbreaklike disenchanting
03:13.53Amarandebtw, apparently TV Tropes predicts that Bolvar will be a boss in IC. Did that turn out?
03:14.19cbreakI thought he'd be grumpy at horde, so some kind of PvP enemy
03:14.45DWSRAmarande: No, Saurfang is though
03:14.59cbreaksounds like something form LotR
03:15.01DWSRlol
03:15.07DWSRBolvar isn't an enemy because he died.
03:15.13DWSRArthas stole Saurfang's sole.
03:15.15cbreak... spoiler!
03:15.26DWSRcbreak: Not really. Happened in the Wrathgate cinematic.
03:15.27cbreakBolvar actually died in that quest?
03:15.31cbreakI think he mutated into a flower
03:15.36Amarandecbreak: um, yeah, he was Killed Off For Real
03:15.42cbreakyeah, sure...
03:15.44Amarandehe was like, dissolved by super-scourge?
03:15.44DWSRunlike Anub'arak.
03:15.50DWSRlol
03:15.52LopeppeppyInto scourge soup?
03:15.59DWSRSuper-scourge now has tough human fighting action!
03:15.59cbreakjust wait until he spirit rezes
03:16.09Amarandeof course anub Got Better, all you probably did to him was loot him and not bother to deal with the body, you greedy scrubs :P
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03:16.34cbreakanub didn't look tasty enough to do that.
03:16.45DWSRCan't you skin anub?
03:16.52cbreakI couldn't skin a cat.
03:17.03DWSRbtw.
03:17.03cbreakis a peace loving flower picker
03:17.25DWSRhttp://i45.tinypic.com/316osoz.jpg <- COMMENTS YOU WORGENS
03:17.58cbreakwhat are those nondescriptive runes for?
03:18.03DWSRRunes...
03:18.07cbreakright!
03:18.08cbreakdk stuff
03:18.12cbreak... I knew that...
03:18.16DWSRlollerskates.
03:18.17DWSRcc
03:18.21Lopeppeppyfor a dailies character, it's okay.
03:18.32DWSRYeah, been thinking about where I'd put recount.
03:18.44LopeppeppyIn that big old empty space?
03:18.46DWSRI have my raid/party frames set up in the top left corner, when I use them.
03:18.54DWSRLopeppeppy: At the bottom?
03:19.01LopeppeppyYup
03:19.18DWSRYeah, maybe.
03:19.29DWSRThinking of also making all the frames clickable to hide certain parts of the UI at will.
03:19.35LopeppeppyIt's currently empty, which looks unbalanced and weird and also wrong.
03:20.17DWSRYeah, going to probably put a ton more work into this and actually release it.
03:20.41DWSRHave no art atm, though.
03:20.54DWSRWhich is the only thing that I would really like to use atm
03:22.25Lopeppeppywell, until you get those elements where you want them, you can't design art around them.
03:22.58DWSRtruth
03:23.35industrialhahaha, <NANANANANANANANABATMAN>
03:23.46industrialbrilliant guildname, you have everyone telling the na's
03:23.50industrial=D
03:24.05industrials/telling/counting/
03:24.07industrialI need sleep.
03:24.15Lopeppeppygo to bed, indy
03:24.23industrialtellen = to count in dutch :\
03:24.39Lopeppeppygo to bed, indy
03:26.00industrialnn
03:27.05cogwheelLopeppeppy: "Let's for a moment wrap ourselves in a blanket of ignorance and arrogance..." <-- while the voiceover said this, a pic of a chick in a snuggie was on the screen =)
03:27.21LopeppeppyI said that, cog?
03:27.36cogwheelno just thought you'd get a kick out of the snuggie h8
03:27.53LopeppeppyOh, I thought you were quoting me somehow, I was sooooo confused!
03:28.13LopeppeppyBut seriously, snuggies are too weird to be anything other than an alien trick.
03:28.28LopeppeppyIt's just training us to accept the straightjackets they're going to haul us away in!!
03:29.02cogwheelsee, i think the only reason i think i don't want one is because of the ads. TBH, I have often been caught in the predicament it was designed to solve
03:29.26LopeppeppyDude.  Put a blanket over you, and wear a sweatshirt!
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03:31.28Fiskeryou wouldn't drive a truck
03:32.04LopeppeppyFisker, you're weird.
03:32.26industrialnp: centhron - lichtsucher
03:32.36Lopeppeppyindy, go to bed.
03:33.02Fiskerwhy am i weird?
03:33.13cogwheelthat's what i mean... once the blanket's over me, my arms are useless! :P
03:33.29LopeppeppyBlankets are for laps, sweatshirts are for arms
03:34.02Torhalu zou niet over in uw graf rollen, Fisker
03:34.12industrialyes peppy
03:34.28LopeppeppyI think Torhol just told you.
03:34.30industrialTorhal: lolwat?
03:34.35LopeppeppyEither that, or I need to smack Torhol.
03:34.47industrialnope
03:35.13industrialreallyreally nn >_>
03:35.21Lopeppeppysleep well, dear.
03:36.28Fiskerthis is unacceptable
03:36.53Arrowmasterslanket > snuggie
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03:38.54Fiskerok that's it
03:38.56Fiskeri hate you
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03:42.36Shirikwoah woah woah
03:42.39Shirik4chan has RULES?!
03:42.42Shirikwhat?!
03:42.53Lopeppeppy... yes, padawan
03:44.30cbreak"Sane people stay out"?
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03:47.20TorhalLopeppeppy: I said, in Dutch "you would not roll over in your grave, Fisker"
03:47.34TorhalOr at least, Babelfish's version of that phrase.
03:47.36jadakreninside a flash file
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03:48.09TorhalKaelten: Oh noes! It's you!
03:49.58Shirikwait, why does Lopeppeppy know about 4chan o.o
03:50.04LopeppeppyHeya, Kaelten.  Happy Turducken Day.
03:50.17LopeppeppyShirik, I am generally held to be "not stupid" and "geek-enabled".  I know about stuff.
03:50.24Shirikyeah but
03:50.29ShirikI would like to think I am as well
03:50.35ShirikI don't know intricate details of 4chan...
03:50.40ShirikI intentionally stay away
03:50.42LopeppeppyI've had a few extra years to gather details.
03:50.47jadakrenbeard
03:50.54cogwheelso, my little sister is working at anchor blue from 4:45 to 1:45 tomorrow...
03:51.01cogwheel(am to pm)
03:51.08Lopeppeppyoof, sucky shift.
03:51.16LopeppeppyAnchor Blue being something retail, I would guess.
03:51.20cogwheeli can't tell if she's in heaven or hell...
03:51.44cogwheelmall chain store with trendy clothes...
03:51.52Shirikcogwheel: tbh it's quite fun
03:51.58Lopeppeppyshe's going to HATE the traffic getting out of there.
03:52.01Shirikat least when I worked Best Buy on black friday it was fun
03:52.05Shirikbut yeah ^
03:52.21cogwheelmy dad will hate it more :P
03:52.21LopeppeppyI always liked working at B&N during the holiday rush, trying to stay ahead of the devastation.
03:52.35LopeppeppyHe picking her up?
03:53.01cogwheelcrap i hope so XD
03:53.08Lopeppeppy*giggle snark*
03:53.27LopeppeppyIf she is out there waiting at like the bus stop or something, so he just drives up, she hops in, done, it won't be too bad.
03:53.47Jerubhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/alegrya/sets/72057594097383638/ photos of our turducken events.
03:53.47cogwheelonly customer-y jobs i had during the holidays were theater (which has similar rushes throughout the year) and convenience store (not exactly a target of christmas shoppers)
03:55.07LopeppeppyB&N was a freakin' zoo. We paid an off-duty cop to stand door duty all December for us, just to stop people parking in the fire lane, and be able to sort out the fender-benders.
03:55.35LopeppeppyFree standing store, waaaaay too small parking lot.
03:55.39cogwheeli made some jackass in a ferari park his car before i would sell him a ticket
03:56.03LopeppeppyDude, there is no "ticket drive through", moron!
03:56.03cogwheelhe came back and put his credit card on the counter and we didn't take credit cards at the time ><
03:56.11Lopeppeppy*laugh*
03:56.12LopeppeppyThat's awesome
03:58.55jadakrenstock up on food , avoid city , profit
03:59.14cogwheelwe have an excuse not to get people presents this year =D
03:59.50cbreakgive people what they really want.
03:59.52cbreakPizza.
03:59.57cogwheelteenage sister in da house, plus my uncle fell through for disneyland tickets (after 3 months of poking)
04:00.06cogwheel(and 5 years of promises)
04:00.15Lopeppeppyyou've got the sister, no one needs any other present than that crap!
04:00.41LopeppeppyYou should be sainted sometimes, I swear.
04:01.09cogwheelyeah, but then i'd be a hypocrite :3
04:02.34WobWorkanyone want a google wave invite?
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04:09.16cogwheelditto ><
04:11.32ccoxWhy do blood elf DKs keep saying "Lee Press On" - are they that concerned about their nails?
04:16.15Shirikpokes Lopeppeppy
04:16.25Shirikyou're rarely on this late at night
04:19.01WobWorkccox: not to disrupt the joke, or anything, but isn't it "we press on?"
04:19.17Torhal...
04:19.51ccoxwob - yes, but the accent is bad, or the first syllable is clipped slightly, it sounds funny
04:22.00theorbtwoOr, you know, they sound strange because they are undead.
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04:33.47AbsolutRayneSo, who here has downed TOGC25 Anub?
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04:43.06JerubI don't want 3.3 to be released, i feel such success having 100+ EoT a and I know i can do that in 2 days after cross realmLFG and EoT drops from heroics come out
05:07.16ShirikAbsolutRayne, hard?
05:07.34Shirikoh, I guess that's what the G is for
05:07.37Shirikyou all and your stupid names
05:07.45ShirikI've gotten within 5%, does that count?
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05:20.27Thunder_ChildShirik!
05:25.21batrickhi shirik
05:26.36Thunder_Childwow batrick, good job scaring him afk
05:26.47batrick:(
05:27.00AmarandeShirik: I believe "TOC" 10/25 refers to Normal mode and "TOGC" to Heroic
05:30.47Thunder_Childor toc for the 5 and totc for the 10/25
05:34.39AmarandeHeroic, far as I know, has certain extra specific rules in TOC10/25 in addition to just being harder.
05:34.42AmarandeLike that 'attempts' thing.
05:34.45AmarandeBut I'm foggy on that.
05:43.21Thunder_Child50
05:43.24Thunder_Childattempts
05:43.25Thunder_Childiirc
05:43.44Fiskerslaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout
05:46.25AmarandeT_C: seems like a silly system
05:46.41Thunder_Child*shrug*
05:49.13Fiskerit's awesome
05:49.19Fiskerunfortunately they're fucking it up in 3.3
05:53.42Amarandewhat are they doing in 3.3?
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05:54.39AmarandeI'm pretty much condemned to mine thorium for the rest of 3.x I think so ... I might not see much of 3.3 LOL
06:00.18FiskerAmarande they're making the heroic toggle per-boss instead
06:03.40AmarandeFisker: meh, does it really matter?
06:03.45Amarandeit's already being mass pugged on servers that don't suck
06:03.45Fiskerit does
06:04.00Fiskerwhat's that got to do with anything?
06:04.07Amarandea little bit easier isn't gonna make anyone go away from it hhe
06:04.51Fiskerwhat do you mean with a little bit easier?
06:05.05AmarandeI'm still waiting for the more topsy-turvy stories to come in
06:05.22Amarandelike a server's first Arthas kill achievements going to someone's "aw fuck it let's just give it a go" PUG over a coordinated guild group :)
06:05.55AmarandeUnless there's some sort of design safeguards in place to keep that from happening heh
06:06.25Fiskeri still don't see what that's got to do with the heroic mechanics
06:06.33Amarandelike ... do blizz give extra special secret hints to top raid guilds in order to help stop that sort of thing from occurring even in today's environment of easy raids? lol
06:10.48ShirikFisker
06:10.51Shirikyou wouldn't go to /b/
06:11.21Jerubyou wouldn't say you wouldn't go to /b/
06:11.37Amarande"Blue Update: As of this update, all future WoW update news will be posted exclusively on /b/"
06:11.44Amarandethey should post that on April 1 sometime. :)
06:12.25Fiskeri wish
06:15.31Torhalyou wouldn't PUG a suicide, Fisker
06:16.22AmarandeTorhal: people did it all the time during BC :)
06:16.32TorhalTouche!
06:16.36Jerubi wiped so many times of beasts last night :( I only pug toc10 with guilds now and i'm used to a lower level of fail :(
06:16.56AmarandeJerub, it's only a repair bill :)
06:17.20Jerubit was also relaly late at night.
06:17.29Jerub... and i might be running a conference this week a little ....
06:17.34Amarandeand alcohol was probably involved somewhere in the raid
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06:17.46Jerubyeah, i think the raid healer was drunk.
06:18.09Torhal"What do you mean, I was trying to heal the boss?!?"
06:18.31AmarandeJerub: worse, it's the holidays now
06:18.32JerubTorhal: toc10, not OS
06:18.52Amarandewhich means next thing red and green are going to kinda blur together for a lot of folks for the next few weeks LOL
06:19.02Jerub(ffs,  the number of times my recount shows a dps in top slot on os10/1525)
06:19.30Amarande"what do you mean ... I was standing right over by the guy with the red nameplate like I'm supposed to ..."
06:20.10ShirikFisker, how many 4chan boards do you watch?
06:21.38Fiskerwhat the shit
06:21.43Shirik?
06:21.44Fiskerwhat shitty addon is it
06:21.46Shirik??
06:21.58FiskerThis addon won't allow me to post more than 40 stacks of something
06:22.21TorhalHahaha. Blizzard calendar fail: "The following realms will be unavailable tomorrow, Thursday November 27th, due to hardware..."
06:22.37Fisker?
06:22.46TorhalThe 27th is Friday.
06:23.02AmarandeFisker: can't possibly be auctioneer
06:23.03Shiriksounds like something Fisker would write
06:23.19Fiskernaw Amarande
06:23.20Amarandealthough 40 stacks sounds like an insane number
06:23.35AmarandeI only apparently need 26 stacks of thorium bars to do my next set of skillups, and even that was boggle worthy
06:23.35TorhalAmarande: It's probably 40 stacks of Refreshing Spring Water
06:23.54Amarandenow I have to also wait for the mithril spurs plans to appear on the AH, apparently :|
06:24.35Fiskerit's 1 item per stack durr
06:24.45Fiskerselling stacked enchanting materials are for retards
06:25.58AmarandeFisker: my enchanter would like to talk
06:26.06Amarande:P
06:26.36Amarandelarge brilliant shards are to be stocked up on by the stackload, because you never know when they'll suddenly not be around
06:26.59Amarandebad enough that the other day it cost me 50g to get the *two* Small Brilliants to do a +100 health enchant
06:30.50ShirikFisker
06:30.55Shirikyou are not trolling very well today
06:30.59ShirikI will have to demote you to gnome status
06:31.59AmarandeShirik: demote him to "Twilight Fan"
06:32.05TorhalOMFG
06:32.22TorhalThat isn't a demotion - that's a lobotomy.
06:32.26Amarandehttp://forthebubbles.wordpress.com/2009/11/23/reasons-i-raid/
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06:37.05smcnwhat was the first 40-man raid available?
06:40.53AmarandeMC
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06:51.08ZorbaTHutthunder, I used QH as basically a testbed. The impact is near-zero if it's turned off, and I wanted to get some users playing with it and testing it out, and I wanted to make use of some features that were already in QH.
06:51.41ZorbaTHutIt does actually help significantly with some features I've been thinking about adding, and once I remove it, I may put it back in if I ever add those features. As it is, I'll probably leave it in for a public version or two, then pull it into its own mod.
06:54.37Thunder_ChildZorbaTHut...you bean QH as the basis for a radar system?
06:55.15ZorbaTHutI mean, the "radar" functionality is useful for purposes that are strongly connected to QH, and makes use of some features and APIs that are already part of QH.
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06:56.14ZorbaTHut(astrolabe_qh and recycle.lua being the two critical ones)
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07:02.34AmarandeZorba: say, does QH puke on that one quest in desolace like QG does?
07:03.08ZorbaTHutwhich quest?
07:03.19AmarandeZorba: [42] Khan H-something or other
07:03.31Amarandethe one you get after you do the Magram/Gelkis' quest to kill the opposite tribe's Khan
07:03.43AmarandeQG hates it so much you can't even abandon it while QG is active
07:03.50ZorbaTHutnot that I'm aware of. conveniently that's actually almost exactly where I am in Loremaster right now, so I'll let you know
07:04.00ZorbaTHutquesthelper generally has reasonable failure modes, I doubt it'll do that
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07:15.52Fisker-seduces Shirik
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07:24.20Fisker-stabs Cide with a knife
07:30.34Torhalthrows a gallon of canola oil on Fisker's ankles.
07:31.21Fisker-nice Torhal
07:31.21Fisker-moar
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07:39.57TorhalWobWork: You broke Postal!
07:40.28Fisker-breaks Torhal
07:44.31TrelaSome one tie me down!  ;-;
07:44.38Trelais tempted by certain Black Friday deals.
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07:48.01Torhalglues Fisker- to an active volcano.
07:49.50Fisker-moar
07:53.15Fisker-moar Torhal
07:53.18Fisker-moooooaaaaaaar
07:54.57Thunder_Childhttp://notalwaysright.com/when-open-source-meets-closed-minds/3305
07:57.29cogwheelTrela: if you can stand the crowds and have the disposable income, more power to ya, imo :P
07:57.46Trelacogwheel: NOOOOOO!  Not helping.  :O
07:57.49cogwheelbut if you insist on being tied down......
07:57.53Fisker-heh Thunder_Child
07:57.54cogwheel<.<
07:57.56cogwheel>.>
07:58.05Fisker-i believe i recall a similar story where a teacher confiscated a live cd of linux
07:58.12Fisker-because it was burned and henceforth illegal!
07:58.16Thunder_ChildTrela, L2Internetshop
07:58.27TrelaAlready do.
07:58.34cogwheelpokes Fisker-
07:58.59Fisker-cogwheel:
07:59.03Fisker-you wouldn't poke a Fisker-
07:59.28cogwheelyou wouldn't burn a legal copy of a free operating system
08:00.16Torhalyou wouldn't type in an IRC channel
08:00.17Fisker-indeed i wouldn't
08:00.23Fisker-ffffffuuuuuuuu- Torhal
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08:09.02Fisker-i'm bored cogwheel
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08:15.53Fisker-cogwheel i hate you
08:16.51zenzio"The unveiling of Revolution 4.0 has sparked a debate on ZDNet about whether programming is being dumbed down. The new version of the software uses an English-syntax that requires 90 per cent less code than traditional languages."
08:17.10Fisker-wut
08:17.30zenzioI don't see how "Computer, would you please be so kind as to put the number 1337 into the variable conveniently identified by the name 'magicnr'?"
08:17.40zenziocan be better than magicnr = 1337
08:18.00cogwheelbeams home videos of drunk people into Fisker-'s imagination
08:18.12cogwheelFisker-: better?
08:18.16Fisker-that didn't help at all
08:18.27cogwheelgud
08:18.30cogwheelfalse hope 4tw!
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08:21.15Thunder_Childok, wowhead good for wow, BAD FOR GIFT IDEAS
08:21.17zenziogift ideas?
08:21.17Fisker-i disagree Thunder_Child
08:21.24Thunder_Childzenzio, http://www.wowhead.com/?holiday-gift-guide
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08:22.00Thunder_ChildFisker, if i said anything you would disagree
08:22.29Fisker-nope
08:22.36Thunder_Childand i win
08:22.37Elkanogift ideas? Arsen should be quite effective...
08:22.44zenzioFisker- disagrees with everything anyone says, himself included
08:22.52Fisker-■Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 - PS3 game
08:22.57Fisker-■Playstation 3 - Game console
08:23.03Fisker-maybe have the game console on top of the list instead?
08:23.38Fisker-and why the fuck would i have any of their tech gadgets
08:23.48Fisker-"Here have a fucking piece of shit reader that i don't use for shit"
08:23.48zenzioThunder_Child: interesting page o_O
08:23.53Fisker-Or have an iphone lol
08:25.24Fisker-oh well atleast they're ref links!
08:25.24Fisker-want money
08:26.57Fisker-this makes me angry Thunder_Child
08:28.20TorhalFisker-: Watch your fucking language.
08:28.28TorhalGoddamn potty-mouth.
08:28.44Fisker-make me
08:29.00TorhalYour parental units already did that.
08:29.14Fisker-naw
08:30.09Elkano~emulate Fisker-
08:30.10purlemulate fisker- is probably DISCLAIMER - The views of Fisker- do not necessarily represent this channel or its inhabitents. The Fisker- regularly browses 4chan looking for CP, or at least JB, and tries to convert more followers to his cause everyday. He says he's just a fan of "Captain Picard" and "Joe Bishop", but we know better, right? We think he's just here to try and get more CP, so watch out! - END DISCLAIMER
08:30.26Fisker-wtf is wrong with you Elkano ?
08:30.42Elkanoyou are
08:31.02Torhalis this why we can't have nice things?
08:31.07TorhalFisker-: IS IT?!?
08:31.11Fisker-impossible
08:32.39cogwheelpurl: no, emulate Fisker- is <reply>DISCLAIMER - The views of Fisker- do not necessarily represent this channel or its inhabitents. The Fisker- regularly browses 4chan looking for CP, or at least JB, and tries to convert more followers to his cause everyday. He says he's just a fan of "Captain Picard" and "Joe Bishop", but we know better, right? We think he's just here to try and get more CP, so watch out! - END DISCLAIMER
08:32.40purlokay, cogwheel
08:32.48cogwheel~emulate Fisker-
08:32.49purlDISCLAIMER - The views of Fisker- do not necessarily represent this channel or its inhabitents. The Fisker- regularly browses 4chan looking for CP, or at least JB, and tries to convert more followers to his cause everyday. He says he's just a fan of "Captain Picard" and "Joe Bishop", but we know better, right? We think he's just here to try and get more CP, so watch out! - END DISCLAIMER
08:33.36cogwheel~botsnack
08:33.36purlcogwheel: thanks
08:33.36Fisker-fu cogwheel
08:33.41Fisker-~botgtfo
08:33.46Fisker-purl, gtfo
08:33.47purlSorry sir, I won't bother you anymore.
08:34.02cogwheelSorry sir, I won't bother you anymore.
08:35.20Torhal~botsnack
08:35.20purlTorhal: aw, gee
08:35.34Torhal~karma fisker--
08:35.34purlfisker-- has karma of -2
08:35.55Thunder_Child~emulate Fisker
08:35.56purlextra, extra, read all about it, emulate fisker is "<reply> OH MY GOD I AM GOING TO CUM"
08:35.58Thunder_Childheh
08:36.04Thunder_Child..eh?
08:36.16zenzio"The 17-year-old declared himself innocent and explained that the intercourse was consensual. The boy did however admit that he had threatened the girl and held a knife to her throat."
08:36.23zenziosounds perfectly consensual to me
08:36.25Torhal...
08:36.34Fisker-i lol'd
08:36.39Fisker-giev source
08:36.57zenziohttp://www.dagbladet.no/2009/11/27/nyheter/innenriks/voldtekt/9223170/ - last paragraph
08:37.00zenzio(in Norwegian)
08:37.51Thunder_Child~isker-
08:37.56Thunder_Child~fisker-
08:37.57purlfisker- is a brand of cat food
08:38.07Thunder_Child~fisker
08:38.08purlrumour has it, fisker is the #wowace channel troll.
08:38.23Thunder_Child~factinfo Fisker
08:38.23purlfisker -- created by stolenlegacy <n=stolenle@d86-32-230-29.cust.tele2.at> at Sun Oct  4 18:27:37 2009 (53 days); it has been requested 5 times, last by Thunder_Child, 15s ago.
08:40.26Torhalsprays corrosive acis on Fisker-'s heels.
08:40.40Torhals/acis/acid/
08:41.15Fisker-it was probably haste zenzio
08:43.17Torhalyou wouldn't climb a cactus, Fisker-
08:43.50Fisker-i'd mount a cactus
08:43.58Fisker-or rather let it mount me
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08:52.31Thunder_Childhttp://mnstat.com/images/blog/index.html
08:54.19Fisker-!care();
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09:01.48zenziohttp://engrishfunny.com/2009/11/26/engrish-wash-your/ (potentially NSFW if your boss is particularly sensitive about sexual words)
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09:07.26Fisker-you wouldn't kill a goat Kalroth
09:07.38KalrothI would!
09:08.07KalrothA goat sammich with mustard, yummm
09:08.37Fisker-sick!
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09:29.00Cruciformer'lo all
09:29.43CruciformerSetFrameLevel() is confusing me :/
09:30.12Cruciformer<PROTECTED>
09:30.40CruciformerI would expect it to print 300 and 400 resptively. It prints 129 and 256.
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09:31.59Cruciformersup adys
09:32.15Adysello
09:33.40Fisker-soup
09:33.56CruciformerIm begining to think each strata has its own valid range of frame levels
09:35.16Cruciformeror that for any given parent's GetFrameLevel() its child can only have that number + 128
09:38.47Kasoa limit of 129 has been documented before, why are you setting them so high anyway?
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09:47.23Fisker-you wouldn't limit the framelevels Kaso
09:48.47Kasoi'm just reporting what's posted at http://www.wowwiki.com/FrameLevel#What_is_the_difference_between_frameLevel_and_frameStrata.3F
09:49.03Kasowhich seems to coincide with what cruciformer is seeing
09:50.33Fisker-you wouldn't slap me Kaso
09:50.47Kasowuh?
09:52.03Cruciformerkaso: I am actually setting it lower I just noticed this weird pattern is all
09:52.28Kasoi see
09:52.34Cruciformeri bet you the framelevel is the parent's + a signed char
09:52.48Kasoseems plausable
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10:07.42Adyshttp://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/258318135
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10:33.38industrialDoes http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=63372 affect the total damage done by the spell or only the initial damage
10:34.24olafski"direct damage"
10:34.48industrialthen, http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#hEI0qcdIthfzAo0xxc:Mbkzco is the way to go?
10:35.01olafskiI have no idea :P
10:35.06olafskimy shaman is lvl 38 and I'm going enhancement
10:37.24Cideboring major glyphs
10:38.01olafskiI applaud your thunderstorm glyph though :)
10:38.22olafskiI so utterly hate it when shamans and druids go knocking enemies back when I'm tanking
10:45.34zenzioI hate it when anyone do that
10:45.46zenzioused to be shamans when they got their fancy talent (or was it glyph?)
10:46.57olafskiit's a talent it seems
10:47.03olafskibut with that glyph, the ability loses the knockback
10:47.07olafskibalance druids can do it too
10:47.40olafskiI guess it's pretty useful in pvp
10:47.47olafskibut in pvp it's extremely annoying
10:47.53olafskis/pvp/pve/
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10:52.38industrialits awesome in pvp
10:53.37industrialbut yeah, its due to unintelligent use of the talent that it got hated :P you just dont use it when other people are AoEing a spot cause it will blow away everything and waste everyones mana + time
10:54.19industrialI usually just knocked shit into walls when using it but the glyph makes that all go away :>
10:54.26zenzioI think it looks like a cool talent for PvP, but in SSC it was... less than fun when you were trying to tank
10:54.48industrialits a wotlk talent :p
10:55.01industrialBC top tier was Totem of Wrath
10:55.28zenzioWotLK or 3.0?
10:56.09zenzioI can't recall what we were doing in SSC, might have been an achievement run, but it was there that our shamans were going nuts
10:56.19olafskiprobably 3.0
10:56.23industrialoh, hmm, I dont know actually
10:56.35olafskiI think all talents (or nearly all) were put in there in 3.0
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11:17.27Fiskerbitch you live in a trash can
11:20.47industrialhaste: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/toilet_mug.jpg
11:21.18Fiskerindustrial
11:24.23industrialreksiF
11:24.52FiskerYou're a bit homoerotic
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11:26.34theorbtwo~industrial is also a bit homoerotic
11:26.35purltheorbtwo: okay
11:26.44theorbtwo~industrial?
11:26.45purlextra, extra, read all about it, industrial is a coder-monkey, or a bit homoerotic
11:27.11industrial-_-
11:27.32industrial~literal industrial
11:27.33purl"industrial" is "a coder-monkey, or a bit homoerotic"
11:27.44industrial~forget industrial
11:27.52industrialsigh
11:27.58industrial~no, industrial is a code-monkey
11:28.06industrial~literal industrial
11:28.07purl"industrial" is "a coder-monkey, or a bit homoerotic"
11:29.01industrial~industrial is a coder-monkey
11:29.01purl...but industrial is already something else...
11:29.14industrialpurl: no, industrial is a coder-monkey
11:29.14purlindustrial: okay
11:29.20industrial~literal industrial
11:29.20purl"industrial" is "a coder-monkey"
11:29.27industrialslaps theorbtwo around a bit
11:31.08theorbtwosticks his tongue out at industrial.
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13:37.42haste~haste
13:37.43purla very pervert guy, he always makes porn voices on Ventrilo. Most people dont like him.
13:38.19Wobblegah
13:38.44hastegeh
13:38.45WobinI've forgotten how to add a minimap button
13:39.13Wobinhalp
13:39.20haste1. Create button 2. Anchor 3. Profit
13:39.49mikmapurl: no, haste is <reply> a very pervert guy, he always makes porn voices on Ventrilo. Most people dont like him because he smells like cod.
13:39.50purlokay, mikma
13:41.10Fiskerwhy is haste so lazy?
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13:44.01hastenoes mikma
13:44.04hasteyou changed it
13:44.08hastethat one was like 4 years old
13:44.40Fiskerslaps haste around a bit with a large trout
13:45.07mikmahaste: welcome to the new era, eh
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13:46.44haste~emulate Fisker
13:46.44purlemulate fisker is, like, "<reply> OH MY GOD I AM GOING TO CUM"
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13:51.34Kalrothhaha
13:51.42Kalroth~Fisker
13:51.43purlfisker is probably the #wowace channel troll.
13:51.49Kalrothcant be!
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13:58.42Krapsim guessing this is a good deal? http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4622464&Sku=I21-6238
13:59.18jadakrenhaha
13:59.28jadakrenquick buy it
14:00.05Kalrothhahah
14:01.14A-KOnothing sucks worse than losing your wallet and bank cards right before black friday :P
14:01.51Kalrothyeah, you save so much by not being suckered by black friday
14:02.08A-KOeh I wouldn't say that
14:02.14A-KOthere's an awesome deal on a blu ray burner lol
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14:05.28KrapsKalroth: also http://store.steampowered.com/early-holiday
14:08.02FiskerInfact WoW Classic will be going for $2.49 in a week
14:08.29KalrothKraps: I know, I got THQ pack + dragons age :P
14:08.58KrapsKalroth: da, batman and grid
14:09.03Kalrotheven though I think we get fucked by the euro conversion
14:09.10Kalrothhow much is da for you in USD?
14:10.13Kalrothit's 37.50 EUR = 55 USD for me
14:10.24Kalrothnearly 56 USD
14:10.29Krapsregular edition is $37.49, deluxe (which i bought) $48.74
14:10.38Krapswow man
14:10.41Kalrothyeah, they do 1:1 on USD and EUR
14:10.44Kalrothfuckers
14:10.55Kalroth1 EUR = 1.48800 USD
14:11.44KrapsFar Cry 2 - Fortune's edition
14:11.46KrapsUS: $19.99 $9.99
14:11.48KrapsUK: £19.99 £9.99 (67% higher)
14:11.49KrapsEU: 29,99€ 14,99€ (127% higher)
14:11.55Krapsfrom a forum post
14:12.09KalrothI wonder if I can fix it through a proxy
14:12.25jadakrenpity about your account details
14:12.56jadakrenoh right meester X who lives in location Y is purchasin item J via location F
14:13.34jadakrenwe'll just go right ahead and charge meester X for item J at the price for location Y
14:14.17jadakrenor you could meet locale-restrictions...
14:14.22jadakrenalways fun
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14:21.13zenzioblinks quietly at "modifying layer that is being finalized"
14:21.24zenziofor the life of me I can't seem to figure out why it says that :-|
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14:27.06Krapsbejeweled twist looks cool
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14:32.26FiskerKalroth you can't really
14:32.42Fiskerit checks your credit card i believe
14:32.57Kalrothprobably
14:32.59Fiskerso you have to buy a prepaid credit card, get a po box and then go through a us vpn
14:33.04Fiskerpretty sure it does
14:33.12Fiskeri just get people to gift it to me
14:33.31Kalrothoh right
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14:43.34jnwhitehThere's no way, once a frame has been created, to make it one of the secure handler frames?
14:44.03jnwhitehI want to take frames and and make them act like EnterLeave frames
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14:48.23Krapshttp://io9.com/5407713/the-30-most-disturbing-twilight-products/gallery/
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15:17.49Shirikhi bye night
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15:18.59Fiskerhey Shirik
15:19.01Fiskeri hope you die
15:19.12mikmawhy?
15:21.37Fiskerwhy not?
15:22.28AdysI have a commit 7f1fe90e7f45433fc2f2f6fc130687262040e9ef which I want to revert, how do I do that?
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15:22.33Adysin git obviously
15:22.40Adysnevcairiel: ^
15:22.42AckisAdys: CTRL-Z is undo
15:22.51Adyssuck my azz
15:22.52Ackisthat might help
15:22.58Ackis:D
15:23.04Ackishappy thanksgiving post-day btw Adys
15:23.17Adysgo foan a turkey
15:23.41Ackiswhy so hostile?
15:24.03Adysbecause you're not helping me
15:24.17Ackisi never help you
15:24.35Ackishttp://www.google.ca/search?q=git+revert+commit
15:26.16Adysexcept
15:26.40Adysgit revert commits
15:26.41Adysi want to revert a commit without committing
15:26.47Ackisyou have a local commit that you fucked up on?
15:26.54Adysno
15:27.05Adysan 11 days old commit from someone else thats sitting in my branch
15:27.25Adysi want to revert that, see what it does, go back to the main branch and watch porn
15:27.51cbreakAdys: is that commit anywhere else?
15:27.51cbreakor only local to you?
15:28.00AckisI can help you with the porn part
15:28.00Ackiswww.zootube.com
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15:28.22Adyscbreak: It's on the remote branch
15:28.28cbreakhmm :/
15:28.47cbreakwith git rebase -i you could eliminate selective commits
15:28.55cbreakbut you'd have to do that locally on all repositories
15:28.56Adysbah fuck it ill just use revert
15:29.05cbreaksince it will change history
15:29.10AckisI never revert
15:29.12cbreakand all following commits will be new ones
15:29.18Adysafk
15:29.49cbreakif you can push with force, you can get it out of a remote too, but that might cause lots of trouble for everyone else who also cloned from that repository
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15:43.11Fiskerno Ackis
15:43.15Fiskeri don't unsubscribe
15:43.16Fiskerfgt
15:43.21Fiskerunlike you
15:43.21Fiskerfgt
15:43.39Ackisi don't know if i'm subbed or not tbh
15:44.10KrapsAckis: soo... you might be paying for a game you dont play?
15:45.07AckisKraps: I log in, I just don't know if I'm on a reoccuring sub or not :P
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15:50.09Ackis34 days til i'm 29, start buying me presents!
15:50.24Dezzimalyikes
15:50.29Dezzimal30 is creeping up on you
15:50.44AckisYOU SAID 30!
15:52.12Dezzimalisn't that a scary prospect though?
15:52.31zenzelezzwhy?
15:52.37zenzelezzpeople have been turning 30 for thousands of years
15:52.38DezzimalI'm still 6 years out from 30 but being almost "halfway" there is kinda weird
15:52.58zenzelezzyour math doesn't add up
15:53.06Dezzimalhalfway through my 20s
15:53.15zenzelezzthat would explain it
15:53.30Ackisplugs his ears!
15:53.31Ackisso
15:53.36Ackisabout this free wow time
15:53.36Ackisis
15:53.37Ackisit
15:53.38Ackislegit?
15:53.47Ackisi want to click
15:53.52Ackisbut it takes me to the battlenet site
15:53.52Dezzimalsorry ackis lol, I see you feel the same way as me
15:53.56Ackiswhere I have to enter my password
15:54.07Dezzimalus-battle.net?
15:54.12FiskerAckis
15:54.13Fiskeri came
15:54.30Ackishttps://us.battle.net/
15:54.31AckisFisker: all over your face?
15:54.33Ackiscuz if you did
15:54.35Ackistake pics
15:54.37Ackisthat'd be hot
15:55.04zenzelezzhe tried, but it didn't quite reach there
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15:55.42Ackisahh
15:55.44Ackispoor Fisker
15:55.50Ackisnow power behind hte little guys
15:55.53Fiskerwhich is odd since i masturbate hanging down from the ceiling
15:56.02zenzelezzyeah, those nude pictures you sent him didn't do it
15:56.25AckisFisker: I knew it! YOU'RE A MONKEY
15:56.28Ackisspanks Fisker
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15:57.41Ackisolafski: http://twitter.com/Xtival09
15:58.18olafskioh hell no
15:58.22olafskiI'm not going to tweet :P
15:59.35Ackisyou don't want a free shirt?
15:59.45olafskinot if it means I have to tweet
15:59.57Ackiscoward!
16:00.02olafskitrendwhore!
16:00.16olafskiI'll bet it's some US/Canada only deal
16:00.24olafskior a 1 in 100k wins a shirt type deal ;)
16:00.25Ackisl2movetoCanada
16:00.40olafskiif I come that way it'll be US, not canada ;)
16:00.56Ackispfft
16:00.58Ackisthen you support terrorism!
16:01.08olafskifine
16:01.19olafskigod I'm too lazy to throw a pizza in the oven
16:01.52zenzelezzjust put it there like everyone else, no need to do it athletically
16:02.04olafskithink I'll just order one instead
16:02.20zenzelezzyou'll have to walk to the door to pick it up
16:02.25olafskisure
16:02.37olafskiin fact I will even have to go grab money
16:02.49olafskior pay with creditcard.. but I don't trust the pizza delivery guys
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16:18.05mikmahaste: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/1258116268670.gif
16:19.02hastemikma: I've seen that in proper resolution once
16:19.46mikmaif you find it, link me up :)
16:23.06hastenot going to look for it :p
16:23.23Fiskerhaste
16:23.28Fiskeri found your real father
16:23.33hasteoh shi-
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16:24.42Krapsis this even real? http://longrangeshooter.com/forums/index.php/topic,148.0.html
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16:26.41Ackisman it's only 9:30 and I've fallen asleep twice here at work so far
16:26.50Fiskeryou suck Ackis
16:26.51Fiskerdie
16:27.00Ackisroars at Fisker
16:27.02AckisROAR
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16:34.06Fiskeri just made you a fart Ackis
16:34.15Ackisoh?
16:34.31Fiskeryep
16:34.32Fiskerhere it is
16:35.14nevcairielAdys: git revert <hash> ? :D
16:35.20nevcairielyes its that easy
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16:38.54olafskiyou're at work ackis?
16:38.58olafskiyou just signed into xbox live :<
16:40.49Ackisolafski: on the website prolly
16:41.37olafskimkay
16:42.28Fiskeri hope someone broke into your home and stole your xbox Ackis
16:43.20Ackisfarts on Fisker
16:43.30Ackisolafski: or my cats are playing :P
16:43.36olafski;)
16:43.52olafskiplays assassin's creed 2, finally
16:44.07olafskiI saw on wikipedia that all 3 lineage episodes can be accessed ingame but I can only find episode 1 :(
16:46.34olafskioh well, back to the game
16:46.48Ackislineage?
16:47.02olafskihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassin%27s_Creed:_Lineage
16:51.58Krapsthey're all on youtube
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16:55.52Krapsi hate character creation screens
16:56.14Brunersstop making alts then
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17:02.27FiskerBruners
17:02.33Fiskeralting kan gå itu-itu-itu
17:02.39FiskerÅRH YEAH DU SKYLDER MIG TUSIND KRONER
17:03.28zenzelezzFisker doesn't even remember how to say "hello" in Danish anymore
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17:05.43Fiskermeaningless guteral sounds zenzelezz
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17:06.37zenzelezzvi forstår hinanden ikke!
17:06.43KrapsBruners: i'm talking about dragon age
17:07.05foxlitMeh, that one wasn't really all that evil.
17:07.10zenzelezzwhat is it you don't like about that one?
17:07.50zenzelezzthe only thing I disliked about it (and Oblivion, and similar) is that I *always* spend 15 minutes tweaking the face, then go out and pick up a helmet in the first five minutes and never see the face again
17:08.02foxlitDA:O cheats there
17:08.06zenzelezzyeah
17:08.13zenzelezzwas confusing at first
17:08.28Krapszenzelezz: im not good with too many options, im always afraid i'll make a "wrong" choice even though i know there isnt one
17:09.33Krapsits even worse at race/class type screens
17:10.45Ackisfoxlit: what's your dragon age social page?
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17:12.01Ackishttp://social.bioware.com/3885/ is me!
17:12.01Ackis4 digit number
17:12.01AckisI R NERD
17:12.16foxlitis hiding.
17:12.39Ackisdon't hide from me on DAO
17:12.39Ackis:(
17:12.40AckisI needs moar friends
17:13.17Krapsl4d2 and dead space are on sale
17:13.41AckisKraps: we're talking about DA:O
17:13.42Cidewelcome to 2 hours ago
17:13.54KrapsAckis: i know
17:14.08foxlithttp://social.bioware.com/380098/
17:14.09Krapsi just started a city elf
17:14.51Ackiswhat's your profile Kraps?
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17:16.50Krapshttp://social.bioware.com/517032/
17:17.36AckisI so friended you and foxlit
17:18.13Fiskerkisses Ackis ;3
17:18.28Ackismakes out with Fisker
17:18.36Krapsyay?
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17:19.47Krapsima watch ncis
17:20.04Ackishave fun
17:20.11Ackisi'm thining about doing some work
17:23.33foxlitMeh, DAO story updates are full of crap.
17:23.49foxlit"He was freed from the demon's power at a terrible price: the cost of his mother's life." << Totally not what happened.
17:23.54Brunerswhat oUF ports of grid are good ?
17:25.01Cidefoxlit: in the journal?
17:25.21foxlitCide: the uploaded Story segments in character profiles.
17:25.28Cideah
17:26.34foxlitAlthough some of the game achievements are weird, too.
17:27.02foxlitTake the elves/werewolves choice: I would've thought I sided with the wolves, yet I got the elves achievement. Meh!
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17:33.00Cideso many spoilers foxlit!
17:37.14foxlitCide: the wolf killed Dumbledore on page 489.
17:37.23Fiskerwhat is your steam id Ackis ?
17:39.09Krapsfoxlit: snape kills arthas
17:40.01Fiskerharr harr Ackis
17:40.05Fiskeryour steam id is 8-digit
17:40.06Fiskerlols
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17:47.36Fiskerwhy did you physically hurt yourself due to hurtful comments Ackis ?
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17:57.08Adysnevcairiel: that commits
18:05.25nevcairielyou could just throw away the commit and rewrite history
18:07.39AdysI don't have that kind of power
18:08.23nevcairielgit doesnt really have a permission model :P
18:10.05zenzelezzso Dubai woke up yesterday and realised "Hey, we may have to actually pay back these loans"
18:10.50Fiskeri would've stayed in bed then
18:13.09Audibleloans are for pussies
18:15.00Audiblezenzelezz : how much do you think it costs to get this car into norway ? It costs around 160k just to buy it now  : http://allegro.pl/item817959335_infiniti_g35_v6_285ps_2007r_pelna_opcja_car_audio.html
18:15.10Audibleits insane
18:15.30Audibleto get it on the road, its around 350k in taxes
18:17.52FiskerQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ Audible
18:20.05Audiblesure thing
18:20.24Audiblei just hate the government for some things
18:20.49cbreakfor building roads?
18:21.47Audiblegoverments having less money build better roads
18:22.01cbreakyeah right...
18:22.32Audibletake a trip around europe and be surprised, or even better, go to sweden
18:22.48cbreakI am kind of in europe
18:23.16Audibleah, sorry, mistook you for someone else :)
18:23.18Audibleyeah, i am aswell
18:23.42Audiblebeen living in .pl for 6 years, and roads here are suicidal :)
18:24.36cbreakroads here in switzerland are not bad. Unless you're bicycle driver, barely 75% of the roads have bicycle lanes
18:24.50cbreak(that's an estimate I just pulled out of thin air)
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18:26.13Audibleanyway, point is, to take a car into norway is expensive, they tax engines, weight heavily
18:26.29cbreakElectric car ftw :)
18:26.36cbreaklight engine, heavy batteries :)
18:26.47Audibleif you buy a car for 10k euros with a bit of engine, you can easily add 20k euros on top of that
18:26.54Audiblejust in tax
18:27.13Audibleelectric cars : one word, Tesla Roadster
18:27.40cbreakI like the design of this Aptera thing
18:27.51cbreaktoo bad it's american only, and too bad I am not allowed to drive.
18:29.14Audibleit will all come to europe soo
18:29.17Audiblesoon
18:31.34cbreakthe tesla seems to me like a toy
18:31.55cbreakthey made it too heavy and too powerful, and lose efficiency because of it
18:32.05cbreak(and it's very pricy :)
18:33.41Audiblethere is always the Ariel Atom : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaWoo82zNUA&feature=fvst
18:37.06cbreakThat doesn't look very aerodynamic
18:37.14cbreaknor does it look comfortable
18:37.21cbreakit does look cool though
18:37.24cbreakespecially in winter
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18:48.10cog|sleepFisker: you wouldn't drive across the atlantic on a pontoon bridge to steal a New Yorker's wallet
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18:54.04Fiskeryes i would
19:01.58Audibleif that would be mr donald and all his bank information, then yes
19:02.10Krapstrump?
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19:08.28zenzelezzwhy is Samba ignoring my "hide dot files" setting
19:09.06zenzelezzor, I see... it doesn't mean "don't list these", just "flag these as hidden" x.x
19:09.10zenzelezz*oh
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19:14.44cbreakdamn troll rogues
19:14.46cbreakdo they even exist?
19:15.34Grum_yeah! trial account, go to ratchet, walk north, log in lvl1 rogue, win!
19:17.09cbreakthat's a cunning idea
19:18.17amroShiibot: summon Shirik
19:18.33amrouseless bot
19:21.57jnwhitehclicks the portal
19:22.59cbreakindustrial: seems I can still log in :)
19:23.11cbreakthe flight hud looks nice, but it needs directional (compass) markers
19:23.25cbreakseveral bearing markers (for 10°, 20° + and - and so on)
19:23.34cbreakand maybe directional markers for point-of-interest
19:26.02cbreakpoint-of-interest would probably require you to have an internal database
19:26.10cbreakI think direction is available from the API
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19:31.02Hirsute-LappyLooking for the opinion of more experienced coders: User is experiencing a WoW-client crash that stops happening every time he disables a specific addon, thus assumes the addon is at fault.  My understanding is that it is *extremely* unlikely that any code changes in the addon short of removing functionality completely are unlikely to fix this, because the problem is almost certainly in the...
19:31.02Hirsute-Lappy...client code, a driver, or the user's hardware.
19:31.02Hirsute-LappyIs this everyone else's understanding as well?
19:32.43cbreakwhy is the client crashing?
19:32.49cbreakyou should get a crash log
19:33.02cbreak(at lest I get one on OS X, I asume the win version has something similar)
19:33.25Hirsute-LappyYou do.  Let me check the exact crash log that was posted.
19:33.35A-KOhttp://tw.wowarmory.com/character-achievements.xml?r=Wrathbringer&cn=%E5%B0%8F%E7%81%B0&gn=%E7%A5%9E%E6%A8%A3 < holy shit
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19:35.35Hirsute-Lappycbreak:  http://wowuidev.pastey.net/129497
19:36.15cbreakhmm, not even a stacktrace :/
19:36.32Hirsute-LappyA-KO: Someone has far too much time on his hands.
19:36.59cbreakit's not something that careless addon writing should be able to provoke though
19:37.03Fiskerslaps A-KO around a bit with a large trout
19:37.05Fiskerholy slap
19:37.18foxlitHirsute-Lappy: you'd have a hell of a time debugging that, in any case.
19:38.39Hirsute-Lappycbreak: *nod*  But as I understand it, the fact that addons are run by Blizz's sandboxed lua interpreter indicates that it is *far* more likely that the problem is with the interpreter, the client itself, a driver, or with the user's hardware. Particularly because many, many people use the same addon without crashes.  User just cited a blue post that said, "Looks like the addon is at the...
19:38.41Hirsute-Lappy...root of the problem, let the devs know" and I had to scratch my head.
19:38.43zenzelezzI'm not very good at such debugging... but memory at address 0x0000010D seems peculiar
19:39.06foxlitNULL + offset
19:39.55foxlitHirsute-Lappy: thing is, our little sandbox interacts with blizzard's C code, which isn't necessarily error-free.
19:40.36foxlitWhile you should not be able to crash the client, you sometimes can do so with some of the weirder interactions.
19:40.47cbreakyes.
19:40.50zenzelezzfoxlit: I just thought they usually didn't place variables at such low addresses (even in your own address space)
19:40.51Hirsute-Lappyfoxlit: *nod* As I said, it's likely the problem is with the interpreter, the client itself, or further out, but not likely the addon is really what's causing the problem, rather that the addon is uncovering a bug in the other systems.
19:40.58cbreakI wonder if the crash happens even if you ONLY have that addon
19:41.10foxlitzenzelezz: They don't.
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19:41.37foxlitPage 0 is usually reserved; and page file sizes are usually several kilobytes.
19:41.52foxlitThat address is a likely effect of something like
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19:42.14foxlitstruct Something * foo = NULL; if (foo->bar == 1) { ... }
19:43.31Hirsute-Lappycbreak: Some users claim yes, others no.  The addon in question is BeanCounter, and some say that they only have issues when loaded in combination with other addons, others say BC itself is enough to provoke the crash.  The unifying characteristic is that the crash happens when opening the mailbox *if* there's AH mail there.  That suggests that BC is probably poking the client and uncovering...
19:43.31Hirsute-Lappy...a problem somewhere else, but I'd be really surprised if any cleaning up of BC code would fix this.
19:43.31zenzelezzif I'm not confusing expressions, I think just about all pages in x86 is 4096 bytes, don't know about x64
19:44.53cbreakI'd send the crashlog to blizzard (the mac crash reporter offers this as option) and leave it at that
19:45.11foxlitHirsute-Lappy: If you yourself can't reproduce it, you're pretty much stuck
19:45.17Hirsute-LappyBut like I said, user cited a blue post saying it was probably BCs fault, and while I think most blue posters probably don't know much at all about how addons work or interact with the client, I wanted to see if I'm way off base in my understanding before reiterating to the user that there isn't anything we can do.
19:45.48cbreakI haven't seen a single Blue on the Interface forum who even had slight clues about addon programming
19:45.51Hirsute-Lappyfoxlit: And I can't.  I've done quite a bit of prodding at BC with my own playing, and can't make the crash happen.  (I've actually *never* experienced a client crash)
19:46.18Hirsute-LappyIn 5 years of playing
19:46.33foxlitThe logic goes: "It crashes with addon A. It does not crash without addon A. Addon A causes a crash"
19:46.37Fiskergentlemoon haste
19:46.49foxlitcorrelation is not causation, but, meh, there's a certain point to that too.
19:47.32DagmarSmoke doesn't cause fire either, but it's a good sign.
19:49.56Hirsute-LappyCertainly.  I wouldn't say that the addon isn't involved at all, but rather, it is impossible to preserve the addon's function and fix the error at the addon level, because the error actually exists farther up the chain, and needs to be fixed by the person who controls the point in the chain with the error, be that Blizz or the end user.
19:50.20foxlitI'm not sure if I agree with you there.
19:50.51foxlitThere are a million and one ways to implement any particular piece of functionality; there's nothing to suggest that all alternatives would cause a problem too
19:51.34foxlitSo my thoughts are that you could probably mess with your code to fix it, but it's not worth the trouble if you can't reproduce the crash yourself.
19:52.46Hirsute-Lappyfoxlit: *nod*  I suppose it's possible that doing simple addition could cause a crash, but using multiplication and division along the way could circumvent it, but there's no way to predict that, so I guess I should amend my statement that there's no way, barring pure dumb luck at finding the way that circumvents the hidden bug, to fix the problem at the addon level without just removing...
19:52.48Hirsute-Lappy...functionality.
19:53.40foxlitThe general flow chart would look like: Remove Feature -> Error Still There? -Yes-> Put it back, try again -No-> Re-implement and try agian.
19:53.41hasteFisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oD3pbOBP50
19:53.59cbreakI think what causes the error is probably not something as common as that
19:54.06cbreakit's probably either an API call
19:54.16cbreakor some allocation/construction
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19:54.23foxlitOr a combination of API calls in some sequence.
19:54.24cbreaksomething that is not part of lua, but the WoW API
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19:54.31Hirsute-Lappycbreak: *nod* I just used the simple mathexample because it was an easy way to point out an alternative path.
19:57.23Hirsute-LappyI'd be willing to bet that it's an issue with the API (or, as foxlit mentioned, some order of making multiple API calls, or the speed with which the calls are issued, are the context/scope, etc), but at that point, it really becomes an issue of 1)Identifying the code that's uncovering the bug.  2)Changing the code and hoping your changes circumvent the bug, 3)rinse and repeat until you're...
19:57.25Hirsute-Lappy...right.  Or, saying, "submit the bug report to Blizz, and hope they fix the bug in the client, also, make sure your drivers are up to date, and run some basic hardware integrity checks"
19:57.31Hirsute-LappyMany I'm wordy today.
19:57.59Hirsute-Lappys/Many/Man/
19:59.07Hirsute-LappyAnyhow, thanks for the discussion.  Time to go feed my kids lunch.
19:59.38Hirsute-LappyHappy Friday (or whatever day it is where you are)
20:06.28ccoxfactcheck please:   http://norganna.pastey.net/129499
20:07.48cbreaklua code can crash an application by either using bugs in the engine/lua, or by using bugs in the api/WoW
20:08.10ccoxcbreak - no, it cannot, that's still a bug in the Lua engine or the Wow game
20:08.18cbreakit can
20:08.21cbreakby using bugs
20:08.30ccoxcbreak - Lua can trigger the existing bugs, but cannot CAUSE a crash itself
20:08.31cbreakit's like a virus infecting windows... by using a bug in flash
20:08.39cbreakit can cause crashes
20:09.13cbreaka bug is only a problem if something hits it
20:09.27ccoxno, a bug is a problem because something CAN hit it
20:09.41cbreakit is technically possible that Lua code can crash WoW.
20:09.49ccoxno, it is not technically possible
20:10.01cbreak... we've just seen an example 5 mins ago
20:10.02ccoxLua code can only trigger existing bugs
20:10.05cbreakyou should read this channel :)
20:10.13ccoxI did, that's why I posted it
20:10.37foxlitLua code does not exist in a vacuum.
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20:10.39ccoxLua code can trigger bugs in the interpreter, in the wow interface, or in the wow engine, but the Lua code is not the source of the crash
20:10.40cbreakobviously not enough :)
20:10.46cbreakLua code can cause crashes
20:10.55ccoxfox - exactly, that which surrounds it can cause the crash
20:10.58cbreakJust like JavaScript code can cause crashes
20:11.11cbreakor Flash adds can cause you to get infected by malware
20:11.12ccoxcbreak - tell me exactly how an interpreted language can cause an access violation
20:11.14foxlitYou're just arguing semantics of "cause"
20:11.22cbreakeasy:
20:11.27cbreakby using it's API
20:11.37ccoxcbreak - then that is a bug in the API
20:11.43cbreakso?
20:11.50cbreakit still causes a crash
20:11.56ccoxunless you give the scripting language access to pointers and machine code,it cannot cause the crash
20:12.04cbreaksure it can
20:12.06foxlitcbreak's "cause" has to do with triggering a bug. ccox's "cause" has to do with actually containing the bug.
20:12.07cbreakever heard of bugs?
20:12.20cbreakhe didn't say "is responsible for the bug"
20:12.25cbreakhe said "can cause crashes"
20:12.29cbreaka crash is not a bug
20:12.31ccoxthe cause is the code with the bug in it
20:12.34ccoxtriggers are not causes
20:12.37cbreaka crash is the termination of an application
20:12.57cbreakthere are Fonts that can cause windows to execute arbitrary code in kernel space.
20:13.00cbreakthe fonts make windows do that
20:13.11cbreakwithout the fonts, windows doesn't do it
20:13.17cbreakit's a bug in the windows kernel.
20:13.31cbreakbecause obviously, fonts should not execute arbitrary code
20:13.37cbreaknevertheless, they can.
20:13.37ccoxcbreak - no, a bug in windows caused the error, the font is just instructions that windows mishandled
20:14.18cbreaklet's forbid all use of guns, then no one will get shot!
20:14.29cbreak... until someone doesn't follow the rules...
20:14.55cbreakjust because you pretend that it's impossible to do
20:14.56cbreakthat doesn't mean that it's technically impossible
20:15.42A-KOwait, what?
20:15.44A-KOsighs
20:16.57cbreakthere's also at least one spelling mistake in the document
20:17.13AntiarcHEY GUYS
20:17.19AntiarcSEXYMAP HAS A KEYLOGGER
20:17.21AntiarcA LEVEL ONE ALT SAID SO
20:17.32Antiarcteh lua filez has the viruses
20:17.47ccoxI already fixed 3 spelling errors - which one did you find?
20:17.55cbreakBliizard
20:18.00ccoxgot that one
20:18.02foxlitAntiarc: teh lua iz contagious!
20:18.15cbreakAntiarc: is it a signature virus?
20:18.38AntiarcIt might be an ignorance virus, because the poster certainly caught it
20:19.20cbreakend users are dumb.
20:19.42AntiarcI kind of launched into her, which I feel minimally bad about
20:19.47AntiarcBut hey, if she can be stupid I can be mean.
20:20.22cbreakthe correct motto:
20:20.28cbreakif they can be stupid, I can be expensive
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20:30.07TC-Awaykicks blizzard in the nuts
20:36.29Krapshttp://notalwaysright.com/when-open-source-meets-closed-minds/3305
20:37.44cbreakwhoa.
20:37.52cbreakis an Illegal OS User
20:38.19Thunder_Childstabs Kraps
20:38.41Kraps~lart Thunder_Child
20:38.41purlinstalls PocketPC on Thunder_Child's PDA
20:38.53foxlitDoes vent's built-in overlay even work?
20:38.54Krapsha! an illegal OS
20:39.02foxlitIt displays something, but that something appears to be useless :/
20:39.21Thunder_Childi didnt even know vent had an overlay
20:39.39foxlitIt's somewhere in the options.
20:39.48foxlitDoesn't appear to do what I would expect of it, though
20:41.27zenzelezzthe Vent3 overlay just confused me
20:42.02foxlitI mean, the only real piece of useful functionality is who's actually talking now.
20:42.07foxlit^displaying
20:42.11foxlitI don't think it does that :/
20:42.19nevcairielwhat else would it display?
20:42.26zenzelezzI think when I used an overlay, it was some unofficial program
20:42.38zenzelezzbut I found it easier to just drag Ventrilo onto my second monitor
20:42.42foxlitI don't know. Some random subset of names that seem to have no connection to speakers.
20:43.16foxlitMaybe it freezes in a single state
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20:51.13Fiskerslaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout
20:51.14Fiskerslaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout
20:51.20Fiskeri would slap once more
20:51.30Fiskerif i could
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20:53.42Thunder_Childeat's Fisker 10th trout
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20:57.15Fiskerslaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout
20:58.27Thunder_ChildTorhal, you going to update coll on curse?
20:58.34Adyshttp://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/259580477/
21:01.30CideShadowed: ping
21:01.40ShadowedCide:  pong
21:01.45ShadowedI didn't do it
21:01.49Thunder_Childlies
21:01.53Shadowedyou shut up
21:01.59CideI'm guessing "Shadowed UF" is your addon?
21:02.05Shadowedyes :p
21:02.12Shadowednames are ahrd
21:02.16Thunder_ChildBibi is Shadowed's whore
21:02.16Shadowedspelling is too!
21:02.26Cideso I'm trying them out
21:02.33ShadowedSlow news days are awesome
21:02.35Cideon my druid
21:02.52Cideand the energy bar in cat form updates smoothly, but not the number
21:03.11ShadowedYea it's a bug
21:03.15Shadowedhttp://github.com/Shadowed/ShadowedUnitFrames/tree/master
21:03.22Cidefail
21:03.28ShadowedI should just push a fix really
21:03.34Cidefixed in trunk?
21:03.37Shadowedyea
21:03.48Cidewhich file?
21:04.01Shadowedmodules/tags.lua
21:08.16Cidethanks
21:08.34Bibihttp://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/player-gets-all-achievements-shadowed-unit-frames/msg1801745/#msg1801745
21:08.36Bibihave fun Shadowed.
21:08.44Bibialso Thunder_Child, go fuck yourself
21:09.22Cideposts: 1
21:09.26Thunder_Childto late Bibi, you already fucked everyone else
21:09.29Cide(= screw that)
21:09.39CideI have at least a million posts
21:09.56ShadowedI already saw that
21:10.00CideShadowed: only file? I updated it and reloaded, no dice
21:10.10Shadowedhuh
21:10.22Shadowedoh hey
21:10.26ShadowedI should commit the change shouldn't I
21:10.40CideI think that usually helps
21:10.46ShadowedGenerally yes
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21:12.07ShadowedSame file, try now Cide
21:16.07Cidetoc update huh
21:19.36foxlit"Hey, do any of you guys know of an addon that minimizes the communication of other addons?"
21:20.02nevcairielI should write that, just hook all comm out =p
21:20.09ShadowedCide: "Shilling, not just a bribe but a way of life"
21:20.12Shadowednote update!
21:21.38foxlitnevcairiel: you do that, and you'll get "minimizes memory usage of other addons" next
21:21.46nevcairielhehe
21:21.49foxlit(though, tbh, write an addon that disables all other addons. That'll teach them!)
21:21.51nevcairielthats a harder one
21:21.55nevcairielheh
21:22.05cbreakfirst step:
21:22.14cbreakSendAddonMessage = function () end
21:23.10cbreakthe addon ACP can disable all other addons
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21:30.33ccoxhuntards roasting on an open fire,
21:30.42ccoxgnome mage kicking at your toes,
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21:38.33GinjiI don't get why people get annoying when I hide if they try to turn me into a turkey
21:38.43Ginjis/annoying/annoyed/
21:38.55Ginjihmmm, maybe both
21:39.29GinjiDon't you run away from me!
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21:41.08zenzelezzLopeppeppy!
21:41.18LopeppeppyRawr?
21:41.45zenzelezzsure
21:42.02LopeppeppyHi.
21:42.14Ackisrawr
21:42.16Ackismeow
21:42.16Ackiswoof
21:42.19AckisTorhal_
21:42.19Gryphonono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle.
21:42.23Cairennpurr
21:42.28harlraawrr?!
21:42.42Lopeppeppyhuggles Gyphon
21:42.51LopeppeppyHeya, Ackis and Cairenn and harl!
21:42.58LopeppeppyI got shiney new earrings today, omg.
21:42.59Fiskerslaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout
21:43.03Fiskerand no more!
21:43.07Cairenncool
21:43.23FiskerShiibot touched me in places :(
21:43.27zenzelezzLopeppeppy: SS or it didn't happen
21:43.46Ackisgrats Lopeppeppy
21:44.07AckisI'm doing work in the office in preparation to get my ass reamed out on monday
21:44.21LopeppeppyI can't find my camera, Moose took it again.  But I'm looking to see if the artist has a photo of them up.
21:44.24Ackisi blame Torhal_
21:44.25LopeppeppyUh oh, Ackis.  *hug*
21:44.46Ackisit's a real non-motivator that no matter how much effort you put into something you're just going to get your ass reamed out
21:44.52Ackislots off effort == reaming
21:44.56Ackisno effort == reaming
21:44.59Ackiswhich will I do?
21:45.16zenzelezz<Ackis> I'm doing work in the office in preparation to get my ass reamed <-- this is not a good way to start a sentence
21:45.19DagmarCall up the $boss and ask him to clarify what he wants
21:45.31Lopeppeppy*hugs*
21:45.40DagmarIt appears you're stuck between conflicting directives.
21:45.56zenzelezzit's pretty much the same as working with customers
21:46.04AckisDagmar: boss is a crazy female
21:46.06Ackis:P
21:46.07zenzelezzyou don't do as they say and they're unhappy. You do as they say and you're unhappy
21:46.10foxlitAnd so I won a horse.
21:46.16zenzelezz(and they're unhappy too)
21:46.20DagmarAckis: My boss is a crazy male
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21:46.36DagmarThat doesnt' mean I don't call him up and say "I can do A or B but not both.  Which do you want more?"
21:46.58AckisI'll get reamed over little things
21:47.06Dagmar'cuz _after_ the fact he won't give a damn that A and B are mutually-exclusive
21:47.07AckisI got yelled at for 30 minutes once for sending a link that didn't work
21:47.15Ackisif you had a brain you'd know what to do
21:47.21Ackisbut because she coudln't click it, I got yelled at
21:47.46DagmarIt wasn't clickable or it went to a 404?
21:47.47olafskiackis: if effort and no effort get you the same amount of reaming, I'd say no effort :)
21:47.59DagmarYeah if this is truly an irrational boss, then fuck it
21:48.09DagmarIf she's just a bitch, they CAN be managed
21:48.11AckisDagmar: it was a file:// link which I messed up somehow minorly
21:48.22DagmarAh, okay, so you sent a bad link and she overreacted
21:48.44DagmarSo she's a bitch.
21:49.18DagmarCall her up, ask her for clarification of what she wants you doing, and don't be afraid to tell her explicitly that you're trying to avoid making someone angry
21:49.21LopeppeppyMy boss is unreasonable, but I can tell him when he's being unreasonable, and heasks me what would be manageable, and then we compromise.  so at least he knows he's a bitch...
21:50.22Fiskerbitch eh?
21:50.42LopeppeppyYea, verily
21:50.43DagmarI wind up doing this _frequently_ at work
21:50.58DagmarWe've got monitoring systems which were _supposed_ to call someone _every_ time one goes off
21:51.30DagmarBeing that we're not mentally disabled, we can frequently spot instances of when an alarm is triggering falsely because of something else
21:51.46DagmarWhen this happens a LOT the on-call guys get practically beaten to death with phone calls
21:52.17DagmarSo I'll somewhat _often_ be asking my boss about standing down the priority of some things to avoid killing an admin
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21:53.03DagmarThe job got a bit easier once I realized diplomacy is heavily involved in monitoring
21:53.05DagmarSomehow...
21:53.07Dagmarheh
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21:54.35foxlit"autotrack is an addon for hunters with the talent Improved Tracking. It will try to set your tracking skill to fit your current target." << Is that how that talent actually works?
21:55.35CideI believe so
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21:55.49DiabloMananyone seen this? http://diablo3x.com/diablo3x-relaunched/ pretty cool!
21:55.51DagmarIt's just no longer necessary
21:56.02Cidenice spam, diabloman
21:56.08DagmarThey changed the thing that made it matter a few patches ago
21:56.11Torhal_Ackis: Don't blame me for your boss being a bitch.
21:56.23foxlitFound "Improved Tracking – now benefits damage to all included creature types as long as you are tracking one of them. You don’t have to swap around what you are tracking as much. " from GC
21:56.36DagmarBefore Hunters got a bonus for DPS against mobs they were tracking, but ther'es a crapload of tracking types and that gets annoying fast
21:57.07zenzelezz"dude, was that murloc humanoid or undead?"
21:57.16Dagmar...so Blizz just made it so that if you have the talent points put into that, you get the bonus to damage for everything that you know how to track, even while you've got say, Fish Tracking enabled
21:57.30DagmarProblem solved, addon obsolete.
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21:57.52LopeppeppyI don't quite read it that way, Dagmar...
21:57.53olafskidagmar: no, as long as you're tracking one of those creature types :P
21:58.16DagmarI was being more sarcastic than allowed for total acurracy
21:58.24LopeppeppySo if I'm tracking one murloc, I get a bonus against all murlocs, whether they're undead or humanoid or fishie.
21:58.31LopeppeppyDude, you guys never let me get away with that!
21:58.39foxlitIf you're tracking one murloc, you aggro every murloc.
21:58.41DagmarYou _need_ help killing Murlocs?
21:58.46foxlitAfter all, you're stalking their best friend.
21:58.47DagmarPretty much
21:59.14zenzelezzI'd let you get away with that peppy ;-o
21:59.19DagmarI pretty much got used to *letting* one or two run off, just to keep the XP flowing
21:59.56DagmarPull three, kill one, one runs off to pull two more, drop the remaining two, loot, pew pew moar rinse repeat until out of murloc
22:00.52Dagmar...and I still say that even though some noobs would complain about the pacing, they should make that murloc rescue quest in Northrend more canon
22:01.03DagmarThat's the ONE escort where your pigeon should just *run like the wind*
22:01.11DagmarSeriously
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22:05.48Ackisanyone do any black friday shiat today?
22:05.59Ackisand is black friday a racist term? /discuss
22:06.08DagmarOther than staying the hell away from retail locations?
22:06.34Ackison a side note, someone needs to amuse me before I start up the carbonite/wow ToS discussion again :(
22:06.47DagmarAckis: You joke but have you looked at pvponline today?
22:06.59Ackisi never look at pvponline
22:07.12DagmarThey have a black friday sale banner.
22:07.25LopeppeppyI stayed home, and Black Friday refers to the fact that this is traditionally the day when most retail stores break out of the red for the year and start actually making a profit.
22:07.27DagmarIt has "(not racist)" at the end of it.  ;)
22:07.33Ackislol
22:07.56Ackisjust saw that
22:08.04olafskiackis: start one about the amount of addon communication in carbonite ;)
22:08.16Ackisi don't need encouragment Olison
22:08.18Ackisfafdslakjfdsal'
22:08.26Ackiss/Olison/olafski
22:08.28Ackiss/Olison/olafski/
22:08.31Ackiswow
22:08.33Ackisjust wow
22:08.38Dagmarolafski: Nah... that one's too much fun to spoof
22:09.04DagmarOccasionally people will notice that you appear to follow them around
22:09.11mikmahttp://www.geekologie.com/2009/11/burj_dubai_loves_getting_struc.php
22:09.35olafskieh.. wut?
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22:09.59Dagmarolafksi: Other carbonite users and what quests they're on would show up on my minimap
22:10.04Dagmar..and my world map
22:10.15olafskiI know, one of the things I like about carbonite :)
22:10.17DagmarI look, I see everyone's just broadcasting this
22:10.28DagmarWell, there's no way to tell that the information is accurate
22:10.29Ackisneeds ops in the channels he's in.
22:10.32olafskimostly the other people showing up, don't care too much about their quests
22:10.51olafskiwhy is that ackis
22:11.01Ackisban peoplez
22:11.09olafskiobviously
22:11.10Ackisbut if I had ops chances are I'd abuse them :(
22:11.16olafskiah, that diablo dude
22:11.19Ackisyup
22:11.29olafskiI used to be op on #wow@quakenet :<
22:11.42AckisI'm an op in #arl
22:11.48olafski;)
22:12.00AckisPS JOIN #arl
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22:12.16olafskinoe:<
22:12.22Ackisoh hai Torhal_
22:12.28Ackisr u torhal?
22:12.43Ackislua> "torhal" == "Torhal_"
22:12.43lua_botAckis: false
22:12.47Ackisnope
22:12.49Ackisu r not the same
22:12.53Fiskerslaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout
22:13.11Ackisslaps Fisker around with his large wiener.
22:13.28Torhal-And you are not typing English.
22:13.30olafskiahh you found another one! how exciting!
22:14.08olafski.. I sort of am under the assumption that you already 1000/1000'd AC2, ackis
22:14.18AckisI haven't even touched it yet
22:14.24olafski:o
22:14.29AckisI'm still working on FM3 :(
22:14.42Ackisthen I'll have to go back to batman and get 1k/1k in it
22:14.45Ackisthen dragon age
22:14.51AckisFM3 is boring now though
22:14.57Ackisstill 25ish hours to go though
22:15.03olafskiwhat's fm3 again
22:15.14Ackistorhal Torhal Torhal- ? 3 of you?
22:15.16olafskifick mich?
22:15.22AckisFM3 == Forza Motorsport 3
22:15.23Torhal-Ackis: Kaelten finished Dragon Age last night.
22:15.25olafskioh yeah
22:15.28AckisI know
22:15.31Ackishe started again today
22:15.39olafskiI started on AC2 today, dunno how many points I have
22:15.46olafskiseems longer than I expected
22:15.50Arrowmasterill have 1000/1000 on AC2 soon
22:16.14olafskiI probably won't ;p
22:16.20Arrowmasterthe last armor set is fucking badass
22:16.22Torhal-HAI Ackis!
22:16.33olafskiof course, it's altaïr's
22:16.34AckisI lost my completion for borderlands because of the DLC
22:16.45AckisTorhal-: why so many of you? interweb issues?
22:16.48Torhal-Dumb Luck Covenant?
22:16.58olafskidownloadable content
22:17.06Torhal-Mah tubes are broken, Ackis.
22:17.10olafskiI don't think I'll get 1000/1000 for AC2 because there's no ingame map for the feathers :P
22:17.21A-KOlol
22:17.29A-KOAC2 is fucking incredible
22:17.34A-KOI've been addicted to it for days now
22:17.42A-KObut I'm a completionist so I won't beat it too soon
22:17.47AckisI have 3 "codes" for AC2 I haven't used it yet
22:17.52Ackis*for it
22:18.01AckisI dunno what they're for though
22:18.03olafskiwhat kind of codes mon
22:18.04A-KOI should have gotten the collector's edition
22:18.09olafskiand what is this UPlay stuff >_<
22:18.11Ackispre-order code and CE code and something else
22:18.11A-KObut I pulled out to buy MW2
22:18.20A-KOI didn't get a pre-order code :(
22:18.23A-KOI pre-ordered it
22:18.27A-KObut the yran out at gamestop
22:18.36Ackisbastards
22:18.39A-KOyes
22:18.41A-KOyes they are
22:18.46AckisMy xbox thingy is CanadaAckis
22:18.48AckisI am pro
22:18.49Ackisadd me
22:18.50Ackisfriend me
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22:18.54AckisI NEED MOAR FRIENDS
22:19.09AckisLopeppeppy is my friend
22:19.12olafskithey should blur the chat in wow too if you're drunk
22:19.27Ackisare you saying I'm drunk olafski?
22:19.34Ackisbtw when does the turkey event end? tomorrow or tonight?
22:20.03olafskihoping tomorrow
22:20.18olafskiand no I'm not saying that :P
22:20.25AckisI need to do the sethik halls thing
22:20.28olafskiI just got 2x darkmoon special reserve from a quest and drank them
22:20.37olafskiit's impossible to swim with that on oO
22:20.47Torhal-Ackis: I 3-manned it last night, me (Warlock) a Mage and a Shadow Priest
22:20.47olafskibut it seems odd to still be able to read the chat ;p
22:21.00AckisTorhal-: level 80?
22:21.03Torhal-Aye
22:21.03DagmarTwomanned.  Paladin and Hunter
22:21.06NightHawkTheSanei solod it as an ele shaman.
22:21.11Dagmar...and I really got the impression we could have each solod it
22:21.14AckisTorhal-: I 2-manned it with your mom!
22:21.16NightHawkTheSane(twice, because the first time i forgot the costume)
22:21.24Torhal-Ackis: You'd better get a full panel for STDs.
22:21.28Ackisyou don't have to do it on heroic right?
22:21.30Torhal-No
22:21.31DagmarNope.
22:21.32Torhal-Normal works
22:21.36AckisTorhal-: I already have STD's
22:21.38DagmarYou can just run in there in regular mode and start shootin'
22:21.43AckisI got them from DiabloMan and Fisker
22:22.03NightHawkTheSaneyou can also more or less avoid most of the obs
22:22.04NightHawkTheSanemobs*
22:22.17AckisI'm going to find all of torhal's posts and troll them I think
22:22.20DagmarWell, at 80 you can also just _kill_ most of the mobs
22:22.26NightHawkTheSaneyeah, but that takes time
22:22.28NightHawkTheSanefaster to run past most of them
22:22.41DagmarI was likin the +9 LC rep
22:22.53Ackisl2exalted
22:22.55NightHawkTheSaneah, well yeah. i'm exalted with them so meh
22:22.55DagmarI might go back in and do that more for giggles
22:23.01Torhal-Ackis: All of them? l2getalife
22:23.21AckisI don't have them all! SO PFFT
22:23.39Dagmar...but between having a paladin and the gorilla along, we might as well have driven into the place with a bulldozer for as much as they slowed us down
22:25.31Cairennwhat
22:25.32Cairennthe
22:25.35Cairennfuck?
22:25.36Cairennhttp://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2009/11/27/ottawa-machete-attack-highway-417-road-rage.html
22:26.40Cairennwho the hell carries a machete in their car?!
22:26.40Thunder_Childi like the part where they let him go
22:26.45Thunder_Child<--
22:26.48olafskiI carry two with me at all times
22:26.51olafskidualwielding ftw
22:26.57olafskieven if I miss with my right hand most of the time
22:27.00Cairennhe's been charged with a number of things
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22:27.30AckisCairenn: good thing he didn't bring it on a bus.  Someone might of lost their head with rage?
22:27.45CairennI'm just ... *boggle*
22:30.50LopeppeppySomeone needs more lithium in their batteries?
22:31.31Ackiswhat happens when you put the energizer bunny's batteries in backwards?
22:31.41Ackisit keeps coming and coming and coming and coming....
22:31.52LopeppeppyAnd dude, the police sound surprised the family didn't get out of their car with the machete-swinging guy right there...
22:32.02LopeppeppyI'd have backed over him, myself, oopsies
22:32.07DagmarMost people would run like hell
22:32.13Dagmar...or get out and try to talk the guy down
22:32.20A-KOuhm
22:32.23A-KOI would have run him over
22:32.45DagmarI'd have probably made an "administrative" decision that he needs a nap, myself.
22:33.02zenzelezzif it was in the US, the family would all just have pulled out their guns and shot him dead
22:33.12A-KOnah zenzelezz
22:33.14DagmarNo but a trucker probably would have
22:33.21A-KOif it was in the US, the guy wouldn't have had a machete, he would have had a gun
22:33.44Torhal-A-KO: No, there are strange random attacks here that involve shit like a machete.
22:36.16NightHawkTheSaneI think most people would have forgotten their bullshit monday-morning-quarterbacking false bravado and stayed the fuck in their car just like the family in question did.
22:36.43olafskiquite likely ;)
22:36.43LopeppeppyAnd everyone else on the road, which also surprises me.
22:36.50DagmarI don't think that someone willing to attack strangers in broad daylight in front of many witnesses is going to let a little something like gun laws keep him from packing a gun if he wanted to do that
22:37.14DagmarNo, that wackjob didn't have a machete becuase he couldn't get a gun, he had a machete because he LIKES the machete
22:37.22Dagmar...otherwise it wouldn't have been in the car with him.
22:37.49zenzelezzmaybe he just liked playing AO: http://auno.org/ao/db.php?id=211247
22:38.27olafskihm /cast !Attack doesn't do what I want
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22:38.33olafskiis there anything else I can use in a macro? :P
22:38.40zenzelezzwhat are you trying to do?
22:38.59olafskimelee if I'm not already meleeing
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22:39.37olafskihm maybe /startattack
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22:39.46NightHawkTheSaneyes, that will work
22:39.57olafskithat did it :)
22:40.07NightHawkTheSanei have that macrod into a number of my abilities on melee toons
22:40.27olafskifor some reason this is the first time I found the necessity
22:40.31Fiskeryou wouldn't smile at a NightHawkTheSane
22:41.08olafskidoes anyone here play an enh shaman?
22:41.26zenzelezzI've got the Attack action on my first actionbar button so I can stop attacking without reaching for Escape... then I have buttons 2-8 that all start attacking
22:41.27olafskiwondering if I should just put windfury on both my weapons
22:41.35NightHawkTheSaneolafski: depends on the OH
22:41.47NightHawkTheSaneif its fast, FT is probably better, if its slow, i think either one works
22:41.56olafskiI'm leveling nighthawkthesane, using 2x Sharpened Scarlet Kris
22:42.12olafskidon't both WF and FT scale with attack speed?
22:42.21NightHawkTheSaneno
22:42.22NightHawkTheSaneFT does
22:42.29NightHawkTheSaneWF is just extra attacks
22:42.38NightHawkTheSaneso slower -> higher weapon damage -> harder hitting WF
22:42.39olafskiyeah so that automatically scales with speed
22:42.46NightHawkTheSaneno, it doesn
22:42.46olafskifaster -> more procs
22:42.49NightHawkTheSanenope
22:42.59olafski>_<
22:43.00NightHawkTheSaneWF has a 3s CD after it procs, hwere it cannot proc on either hand
22:43.13NightHawkTheSaneso slower weapons maximize your swings:procs
22:43.14olafskioh.. stupid tooltip doesn't mention that :P
22:43.19NightHawkTheSaneno, it doesn't :)
22:43.24NightHawkTheSanebut now you know :)
22:43.39olafskiyeah then it makes sense
22:43.45olafskift definitely then I guess, with 1.5 speed
22:43.49NightHawkTheSanebut yeah, for a scarlet kris i'd go FT on the OH definitely
22:44.13olafskigreat
22:44.21olafski66% until lvl 40 ;p
22:44.32olafskiI use 'T' for that btw, zenzelezz ;)
22:44.50zenzelezzfor what, stopping?
22:45.00olafskiand starting
22:45.19olafskiit's a default binding iirc
22:45.22zenzelezzwould be too far away for me
22:46.48olafskibah at windfury killing mobs I was supposed to get to 20% to capture ;p
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22:52.44Shiriksigh
22:52.46ShirikWindows fail
22:53.00ShirikUnix version: sha512sum foo
22:53.26ShirikWindows (PowerShell) version: bitconverter]::tostring((new-object security.cryptography.sha512managed).computehash([text.encoding]::utf8.getbytes("foo"))).replace("-", "")
22:53.35Shiriker, with a [ before the "bit"
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22:55.35LopeppeppyBless you.
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23:00.08cbreakpowershell is a bit ... weird
23:00.30cbreakit's better than cmd by a bit... but that's it :)
23:03.16olafskiC:\Users\Olaf\Desktop>sha512sum tandpasta.pdf
23:03.16olafski7a1a16907bd5fe3083e5ecff9071e1bfaa1b187cd36b70ccda4bbeed6a65308b746c64de2483817dd3746a1f26a616692c6e4d15ffed9db7d08d7ad2afe2e224 *tandpasta.
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23:03.25Torhalpours sulphuric acid on Fisker's soul.
23:03.28ShirikYou cheated
23:03.39olafski'cheated'?
23:03.52Shirikyou're not allowed to have GNU tools on Windows
23:03.57ShirikRichard Stallman will eat your soul
23:03.57olafskiyou're trying to blame microsoft for not bundling sha512sum, something 99% of the windows users will never use?
23:04.03Shirikyes!
23:04.04AdysFUCKING POKE ME SHIRIK YOU WHAKJOB
23:04.08ShirikROFL
23:04.13ShirikYOU'RE NEVER ON
23:04.25AdysIM HERE YOU ASSBAG
23:04.32AdysHOWS CAPSLOCKY?
23:04.41Shirik~lart Adys
23:04.41purltakes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in Adys's direction, hitting Adys and sending Adys flying into the closet
23:04.49olafskioh I forgot the 3rd line btw shirik: "pdf"
23:05.13ShirikI think that's just wrapped from the second?
23:05.15olafskiyeah :P
23:05.45olafskiadvanced though windows is, it doesn't seem to want to give me an arbitrary width command prompt window
23:06.11amrowindows console is evil
23:06.20zenzelezznot arbitrary, but you can set its width and virtual width
23:06.34olafskihum
23:06.50olafskiI'd prefer to just be able to drag it wider when needed
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23:06.57zenzelezzagreed
23:07.20olafskibut when do I ever use a console in windows..
23:07.46olafskiI compile my latex files inside ultraedit
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23:07.54olafskithat's the last thing I ever used it for I think
23:09.59Adyshttp://z.about.com/d/movies/1/0/D/s/O/zodiacprem10.jpg
23:09.59olafskishirik: don't you think it's odd people complain when a tool that maybe 1% of the windows users will ever use (and that's probably being generous) isn't bundled, yet they also complain when something that at least 20% of the windows users use is bundled? ;)
23:10.04Adyshttp://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/tardis/images/f/f3/Halpen.jpg
23:10.10Adyswould you say it's the same actor?
23:10.16Shirikolafski: Nope
23:10.17Adysor that it could be
23:10.20olafskihaha really?
23:10.34olafskithe former looks familiar adys
23:10.40ShirikI dunno, I think sha/md5 tools are pretty necessaryt
23:10.50Shirikfor example, I could argue 99% of users don't even know what command prompt is
23:10.54olafskiyou do, but 99% of windows users don't :P
23:10.54Shirikdoes that mean they should get rid of it?
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23:11.12olafskiI don't think it's odd either personally, linux users are hypocrits.. but still
23:11.14Adysolafski: the former plays a douche in every movie and series you can think of
23:11.21olafskiadys: that's probably it ;)
23:11.22ShirikI wouldn't exactly call myself a "linux user"
23:11.27Adysso does the latter.
23:11.34AdysShirik: yes you would
23:11.42ShirikI use Linux
23:11.47Shirikbut my primary OS is Windows, easily
23:11.56olafskiI call you one shirik, you complain about missing sha512sum and say stuff about stallman
23:12.07Shirikthe stallman comment was more of a joke
23:12.12olafskiI realize that :P
23:12.13Shirikand for the record, I hate Linus
23:12.15Irielstallman doesn't like linux either
23:12.16olafskibut I had to look up his name
23:12.31ShirikI also think Linux is not a good OS
23:12.39IrielI met linus once, he came across as a bit of a dick
23:12.41ShirikI think it is one of our best options for a GPOS
23:12.48Shirikbut I do not think it is good
23:12.55IrielI think it's good, but it's not great.
23:13.02IrielBut i try to live in the real world 8-)
23:14.10Arrowmasterhaha "Once I'm free I'm going to make it my mission to sever each and every one of your heads and shove them up your asses, and i have no intention to match head to ass"
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23:14.51olafskiagreed
23:18.06Sesshui love you shirik xD
23:18.43Shirik?
23:19.05Sesshu(00:03:46) (@Shirik) you're not allowed to have GNU tools on Windows
23:19.05Shirik:P
23:19.06Sesshuhaha
23:19.35Dumanheh
23:19.44LopeppeppyOnly emu tools?
23:19.47olafskiI hadn't even touched on the fact that you first complained it's not there, then say it shouldn't be there :P
23:19.48LopeppeppyOr is that emo tools?
23:19.52LopeppeppyI get so confused.
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23:21.24Shirikis there something on Linux that can encrypt a file?
23:21.27Shiriklike OpenSSL?
23:21.33Dagmar*facepalm*
23:21.43DagmarNo.
23:21.53DagmarLinux has absolutely no cryptographic tools whatsoever.
23:22.01olafskistupid linux :D
23:22.16olafskiopenssl sounds like a typical windows tool
23:22.18DagmarIt definitely doesn't have two dozen different kernel modules to facilitate encryption
23:22.20olafskiI bet linux doesn't have it
23:22.28zenzelezzI encrypt all my data with md5sum. It achieves awesome compression at the same time
23:22.31Shirikstabs Dagmar
23:22.35olafskiindeed zenzelezz
23:22.36Shirikwell first off
23:22.38Dumanlol
23:22.39ShirikYou knew what I meant
23:22.40Shirikbut secondly
23:22.47DagmarNo one ever ported GNUPG over to Linux either.
23:22.49DagmarIt's very sad.
23:22.53ShirikIt does seem to be Linux's perogative to have 2 dozen different kernel modules for everything
23:22.59Shirikwhich is one of the reasons I hate it
23:23.22DagmarCompile them all.
23:23.29Shirikzenzelezz: Actually, I'm hashing this with sha512sum
23:23.33Shirikbut, I need to remember the original phrase
23:24.46IrielSo you dislike linux because it's open and allows competing alternatives to things?
23:24.51IrielYou must hate the WoW UI too then
23:24.56IrielAnd bread
23:25.12olafskiI take back my earlier classification shirik
23:25.14olafskiyou're alright ;)
23:25.31ShirikIriel: Was that at me?
23:25.42ShirikNo, I have a problem that literally EVERYTHING is in the kernel
23:25.53zenzelezzdoesn't have to be
23:25.55IrielI think you're doing a very poor job at explaining WHY you hate linux.
23:25.59zenzelezzyou can compile your own you know
23:26.02IrielI think you need to swap 'is in' with 'could be in'
23:26.05Shirikthat's not what I mean, zenzelezz
23:26.17ShirikI mean that nothing should be able to be in the kernel
23:26.22Shirikexcept what absolutely needs to be
23:26.27ShirikQNX is an example of an OS that does this right
23:26.31Shirikunfortunately, QNX is not a GPOS
23:26.34zenzelezzthat's your opinion
23:27.09olafskican't most of that stuff be in modules rather than in the actual kernel?
23:27.25ShirikI haven't actually seen any reasonable advantages of why a monolithic kernel could be considered an advantage, except of things like "it's easier"
23:27.39IrielThat's an advantage though
23:27.47IrielEspecially for rapid adoption and feature development
23:28.07ShirikI guess we go back to
23:28.08Shirik~lazy
23:28.09purlHard work may pay off later, but LAZINESS pays off now! Work hard at hardly working!
23:28.14Shiriker
23:28.15zenzelezzI haven't seen any particularly convincing reasons why a monolithic kernel should be considered a disadvantage
23:28.15Shirik~laziness
23:28.16purlLAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer.
23:28.54Arrowmasterthis guy is fucking awesome, i release him and he starts fighting the guards with a broom
23:29.01Shirikzenzelezz: That's probably because you haven't tried to :)
23:29.18zenzelezzShirik: it's because I have no use for a microkernel
23:29.37ShirikI consider a lack of things breaking a "use"
23:29.47Torhal-zenzelezz: In mother Russia, the microkernal has no use for you!
23:30.35zenzelezzShirik: I simply don't see your points, so I won't bother arguing them. You're welcome to disagree anyhow
23:30.42foxlitShirik: I thought the main whine about microkernels was the performance penalty for context switching between various "kernel" elements.
23:30.46ShirikI'm not trying to argue them :)
23:31.01zenzelezzI said *I* won't bother arguing
23:31.17Shirikit's rather difficult to have a one-sided argument anyway
23:31.25ShirikI'm not trying to convince you all to like a microkernel architecture
23:31.31ShirikI am saying why I don't like Linux
23:31.50zenzelezznonsense
23:31.55zenzelezzI have one-sided arguments all the time
23:32.16Shirikanyway, foxlit, shall I counter that with a "the main whine about monolithic kernels is the performance penalty for blocking calls"
23:32.24Shirik?
23:32.34Shirikanyway, not going down that roa
23:32.35Shirikd
23:32.49ShirikQNX has an entire book on the differences between the two
23:33.01Shirikyou could argue it's biased, I don't think it is but that's my opinion really
23:34.13zenzelezzfanboi
23:34.23Shirikha
23:34.28Shirikwell at least I'm offsetting all the Linux ones
23:34.50olafskigo you
23:35.03foxlitffs, Jowan.
23:35.17foxlitI killed you, you know. What are you doing in front of the arl?
23:35.29Shirik?
23:36.10foxlitDA:O doesn't always save every piece of its state.
23:36.53foxlitSo you can apparently encounters NPCs that you've made a particular plot point of killing earlier, alive and well. qq!
23:37.17A-KOowned
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