| 00:00.03 | Dagmar | If you can't be bothered to read the answer you were linked, there's no point in us answering any more questions. |
| 00:00.05 | batrick | keep wat up |
| 00:00.13 | Shirik | Shiibot will ban you for that :P |
| 00:00.15 | Cide- | it should be (x-y) divides xx^n - yy^n |
| 00:00.21 | batrick | o well fuck shiibot |
| 00:00.21 | Cide- | in the line above |
| 00:00.25 | batrick | i'll like |
| 00:00.26 | Cide- | but you'll figure it out |
| 00:00.27 | batrick | set out to smash her fase |
| 00:00.28 | Cide- | night Shirik! |
| 00:00.38 | batrick | night Cide- |
| 00:00.40 | Shirik | batrick, here's the problem we have |
| 00:00.51 | Shirik | ACL2 !>(thm (IMPLIES (and (integerp d) (integerp a) (integerp b) (divisible d a) (divisible d b)) (divisible d (+ b a)))) |
| 00:00.54 | Shirik | this fails to prove |
| 00:01.02 | Sylvir | ALL i'm asking is for someone to help me work out this error. Asking 'can someone help me with an error' is specific enough to have someone say 'yes, i'm able and willing to assist you' so if your going to be an ass about it then shove it and ignore me. |
| 00:01.03 | batrick | holy sweet jesus |
| 00:01.25 | batrick | Sylvir: except 'yes' is a useless reply and does not get you any further towards solving your problem |
| 00:01.28 | Dagmar | Then IGNORE YOU WE SHALL |
| 00:01.32 | Shirik | This says "if d, a, and b are all integers, and d is divisible by a, and d is divisible by b, then d is divisible by b+a" |
| 00:01.36 | batrick | hence, you must learn to ask good questions |
| 00:01.37 | Dagmar | Now stop being a jackass |
| 00:01.44 | Sylvir | I'm a jackass? |
| 00:01.50 | Dagmar | Ask a QUESTION, don't ask to ask a damn question |
| 00:01.58 | Sylvir | I pasted the error even! |
| 00:02.04 | Sylvir | THen said that... |
| 00:02.07 | Dagmar | ...and I still say if you won't even read the answers you're given then why the hell should we waste time typing answers |
| 00:02.08 | Sylvir | wtf more do you want? |
| 00:02.20 | Shirik | Sylvir, seriously, read the link |
| 00:02.20 | batrick | Sylvir: we have this argument at least once a week. |
| 00:02.22 | Sylvir | Your answer was irrelevant. You are the weakest link. Goodbye. |
| 00:02.25 | Shirik | if you can't get further than that |
| 00:02.29 | batrick | looooooooool |
| 00:02.31 | Shirik | then I can't help you |
| 00:02.37 | batrick | did he seriously just call us the weakest link |
| 00:02.38 | Dagmar | puts Sylvir in the ignore list |
| 00:02.51 | Sylvir | Jesus christ, I'm asking for fucking help. I don't give a damn how I ask it. Just answer me! |
| 00:03.00 | Shirik | We do |
| 00:03.01 | batrick | observes Dagmar did not actually put Sylvir on his ignore list so he could continue watching. |
| 00:03.04 | Shirik | And to be honest |
| 00:03.05 | Sylvir | I'm not usually this pissy, if anyone is curious. o.o |
| 00:03.19 | Shirik | I suggest you just back off now, because you're getting nowhere except making people angry |
| 00:03.38 | batrick | ya shirik has a ban hammar |
| 00:03.38 | Dagmar | batrick: Because tears have the most delicious salt for my french fries |
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| 00:03.38 | Shirik | If you can't take the time to make it easy for us to help you, why should we take the time to give you FREE help to solve your problem? |
| 00:03.53 | Sylvir | So you want me to pay you? Giggle. your funny. |
| 00:04.07 | Shirik | I don't believe I ever said that |
| 00:04.07 | Sylvir | ... |
| 00:04.11 | Sylvir | facepalm. |
| 00:04.16 | batrick | Shirik: no clue what the code is doing |
| 00:04.18 | batrick | so can't help you |
| 00:04.21 | WobWork | my funny what? |
| 00:04.23 | Shirik | I told you, in english |
| 00:04.35 | Shirik | This says "if d, a, and b are all integers, and d is divisible by a, and d is divisible by b, then d is divisible by b+a" |
| 00:04.36 | batrick | Shirik: cut to the chase %+b |
| 00:04.38 | Shirik | Please note that NOTHING is assumed |
| 00:04.42 | Sylvir | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=167000#post167000 |
| 00:04.43 | Sylvir | here. |
| 00:04.44 | Sylvir | Happy? |
| 00:04.52 | WobWork | estatic! |
| 00:04.55 | WobWork | *c |
| 00:04.56 | Sylvir | -_- |
| 00:05.01 | Shirik | Sylvir, you still have not read my link |
| 00:05.04 | batrick | Sylvir: you're off to a good start |
| 00:05.09 | Sylvir | Sigh./ |
| 00:05.13 | Sylvir | Leave.Me.Alone. |
| 00:05.16 | Shirik | ok |
| 00:05.23 | Sylvir | Just really, ignore me. |
| 00:05.23 | Sylvir | I'm not talking to you. |
| 00:05.23 | Sylvir | So you shouldn't care. |
| 00:05.23 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+b %*!*@173-19-240-170.client.mchsi.com] by Shirik |
| 00:05.27 | Shirik | simple enough |
| 00:05.33 | Shirik | all ignored :) |
| 00:05.33 | batrick | Shirik: "then b+a is divisble by d" |
| 00:05.42 | Shirik | wait, why? |
| 00:06.14 | batrick | d | a && d | b --> d | a + b |
| 00:06.30 | Dagmar | Amusingly the author of iRaid was last seen commenting that he doesn't have time to maintain that addon anymore |
| 00:06.37 | batrick | d | a is english for "d divides a" |
| 00:06.44 | Shirik | right |
| 00:06.48 | Shirik | oh so I have it backwards |
| 00:07.26 | Vlakarados | will ever people understand that to help you, you, in first place should at least make it simple for them.. |
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| 00:07.34 | Shirik | ACL2 !>(thm (IMPLIES (and (integerp d) (integerp a) (integerp b) (divisible a d) (divisible b d)) (divisible (+ b a) d))) |
| 00:07.34 | batrick | you need to rewrite it as "and a is divisble by d, and b is divisble by d, then a+b is divisble by d" |
| 00:07.37 | WobWork | is that an industrial addon? |
| 00:07.55 | Shirik | ok that proof succeeded |
| 00:07.58 | batrick | see I rock? |
| 00:08.02 | Dagmar | I blame parents who don't beat their kids |
| 00:08.12 | Shirik | but how does that help me batrick :( |
| 00:08.19 | batrick | i have no fuckin clue |
| 00:08.27 | batrick | i don't even knokw what u r trying to od |
| 00:08.33 | Shirik | I'm trying to prove |
| 00:08.48 | Vlakarados | Dagmar :) |
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| 00:09.13 | Shirik | for any integer n >= 1, (x-y)^n is divisible by x-y |
| 00:09.24 | Shirik | wait |
| 00:09.29 | Shirik | is that really right? |
| 00:09.29 | Shirik | that would be stupid |
| 00:09.37 | Shirik | no sory |
| 00:10.11 | Shirik | x^n - y^n is divisible by x-y |
| 00:10.11 | Dagmar | bwahaha |
| 00:10.19 | Dagmar | yes, I believe that (x-y)*(x-y)*(x-y)*...*(x-y) MIGHT just be divisible by (x-y) |
| 00:10.43 | Dagmar | ...I'm not sure the numbers even matter at that point. |
| 00:10.54 | Shirik | of course, batrick, this assumes x != y |
| 00:11.28 | Lunessa | I love how "help me" always seems to translate to "do it for me." |
| 00:11.40 | batrick | then you should say so |
| 00:12.01 | ZorbaTHut | lunessa, I personally am always a fan of "*posts error message* won't someone read my mind and tell me what I want to accomplish?" |
| 00:12.15 | Shirik | batrick |
| 00:12.18 | Shirik | this isgoing to sound stupid |
| 00:12.21 | Shirik | but is this true? |
| 00:12.32 | Shirik | p and q and r and s and ... implies p |
| 00:12.44 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: And also has the subtext of "fuck you, you're mean if you don't just fix it and give me sexual gratification at the same time." |
| 00:12.44 | Shirik | it must be yes? |
| 00:12.49 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, yes, it is |
| 00:12.57 | Vlakarados | do i don't know what for me and shut up with your stupid questions, fool |
| 00:13.05 | Shirik | oh I see, it wasn't p again |
| 00:13.05 | ZorbaTHut | lunessa, sometimes I kind of wish I lived in whatever universe they do, because I can't help but think that it must *work* for them |
| 00:13.08 | Shirik | it was almost p, but not quite the same |
| 00:13.32 | batrick | is (NOT p) AND p and q and r and s and ... --> T? |
| 00:13.37 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: Mommy and Daddy and Uncle Sam are going to take care of it all for them. |
| 00:13.45 | Shirik | yes it is :) |
| 00:13.46 | Vlakarados | ZorbaTHut it's more like if they cry, their parents will do it for them |
| 00:13.51 | batrick | that answer is no |
| 00:13.53 | Shirik | what |
| 00:13.55 | Shirik | yes it is |
| 00:13.55 | batrick | it's a contradiction |
| 00:13.56 | Vlakarados | Lunessa reading my mind |
| 00:14.00 | Shirik | what are you on |
| 00:14.07 | Vlakarados | 2x already |
| 00:14.07 | Shirik | (not p and p) simplifies to true |
| 00:14.10 | Shirik | er |
| 00:14.11 | Shirik | false |
| 00:14.18 | batrick | ding ding ding |
| 00:14.24 | Shirik | therefore the entire thing simplifies to F --> x |
| 00:14.31 | Shirik | which simplifies to true |
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| 00:15.03 | Shirik | right Lopeppeppy? |
| 00:15.23 | Lopeppeppy | I'm pretty sure you're right, but I should check with the Ouija board first. |
| 00:15.30 | Shirik | :) |
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| 00:15.43 | Lunessa | Wanted: Free Cheeseburgers. Apply to mah belleh. |
| 00:16.16 | Lopeppeppy | My cat continues to break new ground for my veterinary practice. She will be their first skin graft patient. |
| 00:16.42 | Lunessa | comforts Lopeppeppy. |
| 00:17.46 | Lopeppeppy | Probably the second week of December, the doc wants to do some networking with his colleagues who do them more routinely, get a feel for the process. They kinda take a nearby flap, turn it around, and sew it right onto the spot. |
| 00:18.31 | Sylvir | When someone is willing and able, and has the free time to do so, I would appreciate it if a compitent add-on author commented on a recent error I recieved in World of Warcraft while using the iRaid addon. Here is the Forum post with the error. http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28706 |
| 00:19.07 | Shirik | is that the only error you receive? |
| 00:19.23 | Sylvir | Well, I've recieved over nine thousand of them. |
| 00:19.28 | Sylvir | No pun intended. |
| 00:19.37 | Shirik | always the same one or different? |
| 00:19.46 | ZorbaTHut | I note that health_helper_perc is not defined in that chunk, and yet you're trying to add it. That's usually bad. |
| 00:19.47 | Sylvir | Always the same. |
| 00:20.01 | Sylvir | I'm not an Add-On author, sadly. |
| 00:20.11 | Sylvir | Just a UI creator. >< |
| 00:20.26 | Sylvir | compitent enough to copy paste anything anyone sugguests into an lua at a spot though :D |
| 00:20.29 | Shirik | what are you using to produce that error output? |
| 00:20.40 | Sylvir | The default Blizzard LUA report? |
| 00:20.54 | Shirik | it gives you details from the debug library? o.o |
| 00:21.06 | Sylvir | <---has absolutley no idea >< |
| 00:22.07 | Shirik | batrick, how would you define "divisible" ? |
| 00:22.15 | Dagmar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13457-iRaid.html#comments <-- answer |
| 00:22.41 | Sylvir | I know Dag. |
| 00:22.48 | Sylvir | I'm asking if anyone can fix it >< |
| 00:23.39 | Dagmar | Well, I'm saying the easy thing is to just use PitBull instead |
| 00:24.04 | Sylvir | I need a simple small raid display, small in memory usage |
| 00:24.08 | Vlakarados | well |
| 00:24.23 | Dagmar | In part because it's actually, ya'know, maintained |
| 00:24.24 | Vlakarados | I'd suggest to bind a key to default raid tab in social window |
| 00:24.32 | batrick | Shirik: p and q and r and s and ... implies p |
| 00:24.36 | batrick | that's true, sorry :) |
| 00:24.44 | Shirik | yes |
| 00:24.46 | Vlakarados | it's simple, yet effective |
| 00:24.53 | batrick | p -> q === -p v q |
| 00:24.53 | Shirik | what about divisibility! |
| 00:25.10 | Sylvir | Well i like the visual aspect of this addon aswell, since it goes well with the UI already |
| 00:25.19 | batrick | a is divisble by b if b divides a |
| 00:25.26 | Shirik | ... |
| 00:25.29 | batrick | =) |
| 00:25.33 | batrick | ok ok |
| 00:25.37 | Shirik | ok, unambigious definition of "b divides a" |
| 00:25.47 | Shirik | i.e., something I can define formally |
| 00:25.53 | batrick | a is divisble by b if there exists an integer n such that a = b * n |
| 00:26.08 | Shirik | "there exists" is generally difficult to write |
| 00:26.18 | Shirik | see any way to rewrite that? |
| 00:26.19 | batrick | takes two words last time i checked |
| 00:26.21 | Shirik | ... |
| 00:26.25 | Shirik | not in acl2 >< |
| 00:26.36 | batrick | i don't know lisp dude |
| 00:28.16 | Lunessa | FYI: ActiveSync is 'teh suk' |
| 00:29.15 | Shirik | ok I will try to specify "exists" batrick |
| 00:31.31 | Lopeppeppy | Sylvir, if things don't work and aren't maintained, it doesn't matter if they look good. |
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| 00:31.44 | Torhal | Ugh. Out of curiosity I looked at iRaid and saw "collectgarbage("collect")" and immediately closed the file. |
| 00:31.52 | Lopeppeppy | That old? |
| 00:32.10 | Lunessa | Bad practice is bad, m'kay. |
| 00:32.44 | Torhal | It calls collectgarbage() three times. Twice in one function, consecutively. |
| 00:32.47 | Sylvir | o.o but but but |
| 00:32.50 | Torhal | That makes me want to punch kittens |
| 00:32.50 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet. |
| 00:32.56 | Lopeppeppy | Sylvir, crap is crap. |
| 00:32.57 | Sylvir | I dont know the significance of that... |
| 00:33.02 | Sylvir | >< |
| 00:33.14 | Torhal | I LIKE kittens. |
| 00:33.23 | theorbtwo | What's wrong with collectgarbage? |
| 00:33.23 | Sylvir | In any case, Vlakara has found a fix for it...so far :P |
| 00:33.38 | Lopeppeppy | Then that's the best you can hope for, for the time being. |
| 00:33.41 | Vlakarados | that's Vlak, or the full one, please |
| 00:34.51 | Sylvir | o.o |
| 00:34.53 | Vlakarados | it looks like because this var health_helper_perc was not defined anywhere, so it could use some var from other addons.. |
| 00:35.29 | Torhal | theorbtwo: Let the garbage collector do its job unless you really know what you're doing. Forcing it, especially twice in one function, is just bad. |
| 00:35.46 | ZorbaTHut | twice consecutively? why on earth would you ever do that |
| 00:36.10 | ZorbaTHut | there is a point where QH pokes the garbage collector, but only once :P |
| 00:36.22 | Lunessa | LOL "(+41): look mate, i'm pretty sure 14 texts saying "fuck me. fuck me now" more than passes the legal benchmark for consent. " |
| 00:36.34 | Torhal | ZorbaTHut: There's collectgarbage("collect"), then GameTooltip setowner/setpoint, then blizz = collectgarbage("count") |
| 00:36.54 | Torhal | It's madness. |
| 00:37.11 | Torhal | ZorbaTHut: This is also the OnEnter for the frame |
| 00:37.19 | Torhal | So it's silly madness, with a dash of idiot. |
| 00:37.36 | ZorbaTHut | lol wut |
| 00:37.54 | Vlakarados | lol @ blizz = collectgarbage |
| 00:37.54 | Torhal | That's what I said |
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| 00:39.25 | WobWork | Lunessa: Texts from Last Night? |
| 00:39.32 | Lunessa | WobWork: yes. |
| 00:39.39 | WobWork | how'd I guess =P |
| 00:39.50 | Lunessa | I <3 this site. |
| 00:39.59 | Lopeppeppy | Silly bear. |
| 00:40.34 | theorbtwo | Well, collectgarbage() makes sense if you know you just created a bunch of garbage. |
| 00:40.43 | Lopeppeppy | no RSS feed? Suckage |
| 00:40.47 | Torhal | theorbtwo: It also makes sense to NOT create the garbage |
| 00:41.00 | Vlakarados | when does it create garbage? |
| 00:41.02 | WobWork | Torhal: heavens! that's certainly forward thinking! |
| 00:41.12 | Vlakarados | whats garbage? |
| 00:41.21 | Torhal | Vlakarados: Everywhere you see = { values } in a loop |
| 00:41.42 | ZorbaTHut | sometimes it's much, much harder to not create garbage |
| 00:41.47 | ZorbaTHut | the last thing the QH load process does is a collectgarbage |
| 00:41.48 | Torhal | basically - unused memory (memory leak in most languages) which the garbage collector will reclaim at some point |
| 00:42.06 | Torhal | ZorbaTHut: Well, this guy could avoid it by reusing the same table. |
| 00:42.18 | Torhal | instead he creates about 10 tables per raid member |
| 00:42.22 | ZorbaTHut | he could also *not do two collectgarbages in a row* |
| 00:42.26 | Torhal | Yes |
| 00:42.42 | theorbtwo | Vlakarados: a = someobject(); a = somethingelse(); The return from someobject() is no longer accessable, it's garbage, but is still taking up memory until lua gets around to collecting it. |
| 00:42.50 | Torhal | BTW: That's 10 tables per raid member every time the mouse enters the frame |
| 00:43.08 | theorbtwo | Also, collectgarbage may be useful, even if you, yourself, haven't created garbage, if you know the user is about to start caring about every ms. |
| 00:43.13 | ZorbaTHut | honestly, that's not a huge issue. it's bad, but not as bad as *two goddamn collectgarbages* |
| 00:43.19 | Torhal | Heh |
| 00:43.47 | theorbtwo | collectgarbage(); collectgarbage(); ? Yeah, that's probably just crazy, since it's defined as doing a full gc run. |
| 00:43.56 | Lunessa | Because you need a standard: http://textsfromlastnight.com/areacode/727 |
| 00:43.56 | Vlakarados | http://www.wowwiki.com/Portals_are_NOT_Garbage_Bins! |
| 00:44.00 | Vlakarados | lol |
| 00:44.15 | ZorbaTHut | (better, two collectgarbages on an OnEnter) |
| 00:45.16 | theorbtwo | Vlakarados: sweet. |
| 00:45.57 | theorbtwo | is still amused by the letter he got some time after completing a haloween whatsit run with inventory full. |
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| 00:46.20 | WobWork | jnwhiteh: do you tweet to facebook, or facebook to twitter? |
| 00:46.21 | theorbtwo | It said that a regular sweep of the twisting nether had found them, and they were being returned to me. |
| 00:46.31 | theorbtwo | I still have it taking up a bank slot in one of my alts. |
| 00:46.43 | Vlakarados | but as I saw with some addon collecting garbage when I click some button, garbage amount grows, but then it stops growing at some moment |
| 00:46.43 | Torhal | ZorbaTHut: Priceless. In the AddOn's description, it has the note: the lag thing - worked on this and think I got it a bit, some feedback about this would be nice |
| 00:46.48 | Vlakarados | why is that? |
| 00:46.54 | Torhal | I'm guessing "the lag thing" is mousing into the frame |
| 00:47.59 | ZorbaTHut | this is like the wow addon equivalent of cakewrecks |
| 00:48.06 | Shirik | ? |
| 00:48.24 | theorbtwo | Vlakarados: Becuase lua automatically runs the garbage collection when it thinks it should. |
| 00:49.04 | ZorbaTHut | that's not quite accurate, it has an incremental garbage collector |
| 00:49.10 | ZorbaTHut | a "full pass" is different |
| 00:49.23 | theorbtwo | ZorbaTHut: OK, it automatically collects some garbage. |
| 00:49.31 | Vlakarados | i had something like 19kb, next second 40, next 70, and stops at 200, there were always constant values |
| 00:49.53 | Dagmar | It has to make extra garbage so that it knows there'll be something to collect |
| 00:50.02 | ZorbaTHut | true |
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| 00:50.09 | ZorbaTHut | generally, it's not something you want to be manually mucking with, essentially. |
| 00:50.31 | Shirik | If you're calling collectgarbage() on your own, you're almost always Doing It Wrong |
| 00:50.31 | Shirik | (tm) |
| 00:50.40 | Shirik | (this, of course, exempts certain calls like "count") |
| 00:50.41 | theorbtwo | Vlakarados: Probably wow's lua only allocates memory in chunks of certian sizes, and will start collecting when it's allocated 200k until it gets back under 200k. |
| 00:50.54 | DWSR | Antiarc: ping |
| 00:51.33 | theorbtwo | Hm, odd -- there's no listed way to *get* the pause or mul, just to set them, so you can't locally set them. |
| 00:51.37 | DWSR | ~who Antiarc |
| 00:51.38 | purl | rumour has it, antiarc is cake. He is also a lie. |
| 00:51.46 | DWSR | lik |
| 00:51.48 | DWSR | lol* |
| 00:51.50 | DWSR | ~seen Antiarc |
| 00:51.54 | purl | antiarc is currently on #wowuidev (1h 57m 27s) #wowace (1h 57m 27s) #curseforge (1h 57m 27s), last said: 'FATALITY'. |
| 00:51.58 | Vlakarados | I tested it a lot and it always had 200 after 1-2-3-123-5123 minutes |
| 00:52.12 | Vlakarados | so maybe there's a limit in 'garbage capacity' ? |
| 00:52.13 | DWSR | Anyway know if there's a way to show Rune cooldowns in Sexy? |
| 00:53.13 | Vlakarados | and I'm sorry in advance if I get something wrong |
| 00:53.28 | theorbtwo | Vlakarados: Wouldn't surprise me if there's something like that. |
| 00:53.56 | theorbtwo | It may well be it's some fixed percentage of total memory size; that's how I'd do it, I think. |
| 00:54.25 | Vlakarados | then 200kb is far from much and you completely should stop caring about it? |
| 00:55.12 | theorbtwo | Sounds about right to me. |
| 00:55.50 | Vlakarados | good. |
| 01:02.00 | Shirik | there isn't Vlakarados / theorbtwo |
| 01:02.21 | Shirik | You two should stop making assumptions about the GC if you don't know how it works |
| 01:02.35 | Vlakarados | I was asking |
| 01:02.41 | Shirik | There are very specific details about it online. However, the fact that you're worrying about it at all is a problem |
| 01:02.56 | Shirik | The reason is because it is based off the previous collection attempt |
| 01:03.06 | Shirik | more non-garbage means more garbage |
| 01:03.16 | ccox | here's a hint: go read the source code (Lua is open source) |
| 01:03.36 | theorbtwo | Shirik: I find loudly making assumptions in the sight of people who can and will correct me to be a very useful way to learn. |
| 01:03.51 | Shirik | it's also a very good way to teach other people the wrong thing, though |
| 01:03.59 | Shirik | if nobody corrects you, it is taken as fact |
| 01:04.06 | Dagmar | Efff me running |
| 01:04.09 | ZorbaTHut | ccox, on the other hand, blizz's version isn't |
| 01:04.13 | Vlakarados | yeah, I almost went away happy |
| 01:04.19 | Dagmar | I *think* someone managed to instantate the old VM that ran Nagios |
| 01:04.24 | theorbtwo | Shirik: That's why I say things like "it may well be". |
| 01:04.28 | ccox | Zorba - their version isn't that far off the open source (just has a few bug fixes) |
| 01:04.38 | Shirik | and the taint model |
| 01:04.49 | Dagmar | Either our load balancers are seriously about to burst and spill electrons everywhere, or there's two freaking copies of Nagios running somehow |
| 01:05.10 | Shirik | envisions what "spilling electrons" woudl looks like |
| 01:05.39 | theorbtwo | Shirik: Have you ever seen the introduction to Half-Life (the original one)? |
| 01:05.47 | Shirik | nope! |
| 01:05.59 | theorbtwo | Shirik: Oh! You're missing out, man. |
| 01:06.06 | ccox | Shirik isn't old enough to have seen it :-P |
| 01:06.10 | Shirik | >< |
| 01:06.20 | Shirik | cmon half life isn't THAT old |
| 01:06.32 | ccox | and neither are you! |
| 01:06.48 | Shirik | .. |
| 01:07.27 | theorbtwo | You can still get it. |
| 01:07.32 | Dagmar | I like that they reskinned it for the HL2 engine |
| 01:08.05 | Vlakarados | watched Surragates, worth watching |
| 01:08.17 | Vlakarados | anyone else seen it? |
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| 01:08.36 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 01:08.55 | Vlakarados | what's your opinion? |
| 01:09.16 | Dagmar | It's a movie made based on a hard sci-fi story |
| 01:09.28 | Dagmar | Barely literate assholes going to the theater won't enjoy it |
| 01:09.32 | Vlakarados | never heard of it |
| 01:09.46 | Dagmar | They'll barely understand what's going on beyond that it might involve sexbots and new types of bongs |
| 01:10.03 | Vlakarados | yeah) |
| 01:10.14 | Dagmar | Wait, didn't you just say you saw it? |
| 01:10.16 | Vlakarados | well, it has a fairly original script |
| 01:10.26 | Vlakarados | I did. |
| 01:10.38 | Dagmar | What's it that you've never heard of, then? |
| 01:10.45 | Vlakarados | havent heard the story it's based on |
| 01:10.50 | Dagmar | Ah. |
| 01:10.59 | Vlakarados | it's something new |
| 01:11.20 | Dagmar | Don't think so |
| 01:11.32 | Vlakarados | not like some win2k pc starts killing people because superhacker wrote AI for it |
| 01:11.36 | Dagmar | I'm reasonably sure it's one I read back in the 80's or 90's |
| 01:11.52 | Vlakarados | maybe |
| 01:12.10 | Dagmar | ...although it's not as radically deviated from the storyline as say, The Lawnmower Man was |
| 01:12.12 | Vlakarados | but nevertheless no movies were made using this script |
| 01:13.51 | Vlakarados | so, if I get it right, this iRaid author used blizz = collectgarbage("count")\ |
| 01:13.58 | Vlakarados | and never used var blizz |
| 01:14.13 | Vlakarados | he simply did an action that is never needed? |
| 01:14.47 | theorbtwo | Vlakarados: Sounds like the sort of programmer who gets into a bind, starts trying random shit, and then when it works calls it done and walks away. |
| 01:15.00 | theorbtwo | (Not that I don't do that myself from time to time.) |
| 01:15.16 | Vlakarados | ) |
| 01:15.33 | Vlakarados | but he did it really strange |
| 01:15.38 | Vlakarados | he first collects garbage |
| 01:15.53 | Vlakarados | and after 2 lines of code he counts it.. |
| 01:17.30 | WobWork | maybe he's ocd |
| 01:17.55 | Vlakarados | what is ocd? |
| 01:18.11 | theorbtwo | Vlakarados: Possibly he was trying to figure out how much garbage those two lines created, and didn't completely remove the code that did so after he was done with it? |
| 01:18.55 | theorbtwo | Obsessive Compulsive Behaviour. Suffers often find that they get very adjitated unless they do meaningless, repetitive tasks, like counting the dots in ceiling tiles. |
| 01:19.01 | Vlakarados | two lines were setting tooltip owner and setting its point :O |
| 01:21.02 | Vlakarados | ok, enough knowledge for me today, thanks and good night! |
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| 01:43.57 | kd3 | is anyone on the ptr right now? |
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| 02:08.10 | Shirik | kd3, that would be pretty difficult |
| 02:08.24 | Shirik | I'm sure their servers are quite secure and they do not let people walk up to them |
| 02:08.27 | Shirik | much less stand on them |
| 02:09.00 | A-KO | lol |
| 02:09.08 | A-KO | I doubt they're THAT secure |
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| 02:09.15 | A-KO | maybe some biometric security, some cameras |
| 02:09.21 | A-KO | probably in datacenters with thousands of other racks |
| 02:09.52 | A-KO | so theoretically, some dude could walk up and power off the wow realms |
| 02:09.52 | Dagmar | highly unlikely there |
| 02:09.58 | Dagmar | Racks aren't meant to have people walking around on top of them |
| 02:09.58 | A-KO | they would lose their job very quickly though :P |
| 02:10.07 | Dagmar | You can probably get your ass fired real quick trying that too |
| 02:10.09 | A-KO | haha |
| 02:10.14 | A-KO | maybe some of those APC racks |
| 02:10.26 | A-KO | but we have some really old ass giant steel racks |
| 02:10.26 | Dagmar | Not even those |
| 02:10.26 | A-KO | I bet you could walk on those |
| 02:10.38 | A-KO | fuckers take 2-3 people just to move them |
| 02:10.41 | Dagmar | We're using all Shark now |
| 02:10.41 | Dagmar | We ditched a boatload of Sun and APC racks |
| 02:10.42 | A-KO | <3 those APC racks |
| 02:10.50 | Shirik | I can't believe you guys are arguing about whether or not you can stand on a server rack |
| 02:10.51 | A-KO | haha Shirik |
| 02:10.57 | Dagmar | A-KO: These are adult males? |
| 02:11.03 | A-KO | yes Dagmar |
| 02:11.14 | Dagmar | I'm sorry |
| 02:11.14 | A-KO | I can't remember what brand they are, they're huge |
| 02:11.19 | A-KO | and no wheels :( |
| 02:11.26 | Dagmar | I'll try not to take *all* the women if I'm ever in your city. |
| 02:11.38 | Dagmar | Oh... What fool ordered racks without wheels? |
| 02:11.46 | A-KO | got me |
| 02:11.46 | Dagmar | I thought they had wheels. |
| 02:11.49 | A-KO | they've been in there for years |
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| 02:12.22 | Dagmar | I thought you were saying it took 3-4 of you to move a rack with wheels on it |
| 02:12.28 | A-KO | LOL, god no |
| 02:12.36 | Dagmar | I know some geeks have upper body strength issues, but still... hehe |
| 02:12.58 | A-KO | I bet you could walk on these though, I mean, even with wheels they are definitely nothing even close to the weight of an APC rack |
| 02:13.16 | A-KO | I like the APC ones....small, nimble, easy to move, very light. |
| 02:13.50 | Lopeppeppy | I like the gingerbread ones. |
| 02:14.00 | A-KO | gingerbread racks would rock |
| 02:14.07 | Dagmar | I'll stick with my very standard 42U Shark Racks with mesh everything |
| 02:14.14 | A-KO | yeah I'm looking it up now Dagmar :P |
| 02:14.43 | A-KO | whoa |
| 02:14.54 | A-KO | you got that whole temperature/humidity monitoring PSU stuff going on? lol |
| 02:14.59 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 02:15.06 | A-KO | that's pretty sweet |
| 02:15.09 | Dagmar | We have two SmartCDUs in each rack |
| 02:15.53 | Dagmar | So, we've got cacti collecting data on hum/temp at the top and bottom of the rack |
| 02:15.57 | NeoTron | back in my days, racks were made of steel pipes filled with lead. We needed two strong horses to move our racks. also imagine the mess of having two horses in the amongst the computer racks |
| 02:16.05 | NeoTron | woe me |
| 02:16.10 | Lopeppeppy | Horses! |
| 02:16.11 | Shirik | is making orange chicken!! |
| 02:16.12 | Lopeppeppy | We used wooly mammoths! |
| 02:17.06 | Lopeppeppy | used orange mammoths! |
| 02:17.29 | NeoTron | wait, orange mammoths, wooly mammoths or orange wooly mammoths? I'm confused here |
| 02:17.54 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. |
| 02:17.59 | Lopeppeppy | We used what we could wrangle up! |
| 02:20.49 | Dagmar | Sherbet Mammoths |
| 02:21.09 | Lopeppeppy | No, I don't like sherbet. |
| 02:21.14 | Dagmar | They are much easier to wrangle. |
| 02:21.14 | Dagmar | They barely put up a fight at all. |
| 02:21.41 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 02:22.13 | Lopeppeppy | They have no strength for pulling the racks though. |
| 02:28.24 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy ignores me :( |
| 02:29.55 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sorry darlin', it has not been my greatest day, I'm doing research on veterinary skin graft surgery. |
| 02:30.52 | theorbtwo | Lopeppeppy: A veternary student, a wikipedia addict, or a worried pet-keeper? |
| 02:34.19 | Lopeppeppy | Worried mommy. |
| 02:34.28 | Lopeppeppy | Rosiekins Frankencat will be having this done in December. |
| 02:34.37 | theorbtwo | helps his attempt at humour up from where it fell when it tripped over it's own feet, and lamely says "sorry to hear it". |
| 02:35.03 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, she's earning her title of Frankencat, seriously. And taking my vet places he never dreamed he'd go before he retired. |
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| 02:37.25 | theorbtwo | nods. It certianly sounds exciting from a certian point of view, for a vet. |
| 02:37.26 | Lopeppeppy | She'll be good though, she's an angel-cat, we'll fix her up some way. |
| 02:38.12 | Dagmar | Ceiling Cat will take good care of her. Don't you worry. |
| 02:41.03 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks. She's an awesome girl, we'll all be happy to have this fixed up. |
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| 03:53.12 | Cralor` | Maybe someone will know here. I'm trying to accomplish this: (PHP btw) http://codepad.org/IKMzpN1X |
| 03:55.37 | bleeter | http://io9.com/5412097/family-guys-empire-spoof-brings-us-mesh-shirted-stormtroopers |
| 03:57.50 | Arrowmaster | i dropped the fucking nuke in MW2 |
| 04:00.37 | Cralor` | nice |
| 04:01.04 | Dagmar | That'll probably stain your shoes |
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| 04:10.36 | Thunder_Child | stabs windows repeatedly |
| 04:11.31 | A-KO | http://www.break.com/game-trailers/game/crysis/crysis-back-to-the-future-delorean-mod.html < holy shit that is awesome |
| 04:13.34 | Corrodias | the physics in that game look a bit weird (0-60 in 2.5 seconds), but it's totally cool anyway |
| 04:13.51 | A-KO | dude, it...TIME TRAVELS |
| 04:13.55 | A-KO | it even does the fire tracks thing |
| 04:13.56 | A-KO | haha |
| 04:14.03 | A-KO | BEST delorean mod ever for a game IMO |
| 04:14.16 | Corrodias | now if they built a mmorpg around that... |
| 04:14.24 | cog|away | gives Shirik that christian side hug |
| 04:15.17 | cogwheel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_Oj0-splZw watch at your own risk (SFW) |
| 04:16.07 | A-KO | wow cogwheel |
| 04:24.44 | bleeter | cogwheel: almost as good as bangs8 |
| 04:24.48 | A-KO | youtubes |
| 04:25.04 | bleeter | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmJbJs-9ST0 |
| 04:26.40 | A-KO | eh, difference though |
| 04:27.02 | A-KO | bangs8 is trying to actually make rap :P the cogwheel video is a poor attempt by religious freaks to "connect" with "hip, cool" young people |
| 04:27.03 | A-KO | etc |
| 04:27.09 | A-KO | and it always fails, and is something worth laughing at |
| 04:27.28 | A-KO | as they slip in jesus/god messages in odd ways :P |
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| 04:37.24 | Corrodias | jesus had all da bitches |
| 04:38.23 | Thunder_Child | and look at what he got because of it |
| 04:44.20 | kdtresh | love it when the server goes down just as phase 3 of black knight is starting |
| 04:44.55 | ccox | crap, I find a rare mob... and the server goes down again |
| 04:45.19 | kdtresh | ccox: you in emberstorm or whirlwind? |
| 04:45.24 | ccox | whirlwind |
| 04:45.28 | kdtresh | i'm on cenarius |
| 04:45.45 | ccox | it cold be just me, but I kinda doubt it |
| 04:45.52 | kdtresh | no, they're all offline |
| 04:45.52 | Thunder_Child | kdtresh, horde or alliance? |
| 04:45.55 | kdtresh | alliance |
| 04:45.59 | Thunder_Child | so is i |
| 04:46.00 | Shirik | mmmm |
| 04:46.02 | Shirik | Blizzard just died |
| 04:46.04 | ccox | again? @#$%^@%@#$%@#$%# |
| 04:46.04 | Shirik | entirely |
| 04:46.07 | Shirik | like the entire company |
| 04:46.10 | Thunder_Child | kdtresh, what guild? |
| 04:46.12 | Shirik | it no longer exists |
| 04:46.17 | kdtresh | Thunder_Child: dying breed |
| 04:46.33 | Thunder_Child | kdtresh, hmm...havent heard of it. but then i dont know them all |
| 04:46.36 | ccox | I think I can predict a colocation facility that will soon be in trouble... |
| 04:46.38 | cogwheel | Shirik: can i have its stuff |
| 04:46.40 | kdtresh | well, we're not a raiding guild |
| 04:46.53 | Thunder_Child | fun guild? |
| 04:47.06 | kdtresh | ~220 members, of which about 5 log on regularly, lol |
| 04:47.12 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 04:47.30 | kdtresh | i don't really have time to raid, with a wife and toddler and full-time job |
| 04:47.33 | MentalPower | Shirik: must've been brief, cause I can get in |
| 04:47.47 | Shirik | ccox :) |
| 04:47.49 | Shirik | uh no |
| 04:47.54 | Shirik | my server is definitely still down |
| 04:48.04 | ccox | probably just Seattle, again |
| 04:48.05 | Shirik | and has been down for like |
| 04:48.06 | Shirik | the last 3 days |
| 04:48.09 | kdtresh | i'm seeing cenarius, hyjal, koralistrasz, nesingwary, shandris, vashj, and anub'arak all down |
| 04:48.15 | kdtresh | and that's just on page one of my realm list |
| 04:48.15 | Shirik | and drenden |
| 04:48.15 | Shirik | fu |
| 04:48.18 | Shirik | fuuuu |
| 04:48.22 | ccox | Cenarion Circle, down |
| 04:48.24 | Shirik | don't forget us puny servers :( |
| 04:48.26 | Shirik | so mean to us |
| 04:49.25 | ccox | Cairne, Garrosh, Korialstrasz, Nensingwary, Shandris, Vashj |
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| 04:49.35 | Shirik | FU |
| 04:49.42 | Shirik | We are not a tiny meaningless server |
| 04:49.53 | Thunder_Child | i wonder if they will be switching server farms |
| 04:50.11 | ccox | Blackwater, Borean Tundra, Darrowmere, Drak'theron |
| 04:50.13 | Shirik | ccox and kdtresh don't care about my server |
| 04:50.36 | ccox | Shirik - um, I haven't seen a server "down for days" |
| 04:50.45 | Shirik | ok not "down for days" |
| 04:50.47 | ccox | man, there are a LOT of servers down right now |
| 04:50.49 | Shirik | it's been down every day for days |
| 04:51.01 | kdtresh | emberstorm and whirlwind have both been going up and down for days |
| 04:51.06 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i dont care about your server either, just mine |
| 04:51.09 | kdtresh | i'm thinking the seattle datacenter is having issues |
| 04:51.18 | Thunder_Child | at least i have some alts and dreanor |
| 04:51.23 | Thunder_Child | meanders off to play |
| 04:51.27 | Thunder_Child | on* |
| 04:51.41 | kdtresh | my alts are on uldum, in LA, lol |
| 04:52.10 | kdtresh | doesn't help my pally on phase 3 of black knight though |
| 04:52.20 | kdtresh | at least the mace finally dropped for me |
| 04:52.24 | kdtresh | they'd better not roll it back >< |
| 04:52.32 | Thunder_Child | that would be win |
| 04:52.52 | kdtresh | i'd say i'll cancel my account, but i won't |
| 04:53.34 | Thunder_Child | it's a 5-man, just do it again tomorrow |
| 04:53.40 | kdtresh | yeah |
| 04:53.48 | kdtresh | and it's just gear |
| 04:53.51 | kdtresh | it's like the sims |
| 04:53.55 | Thunder_Child | however i think my guild has totc25 tonight |
| 04:53.59 | ccox | well, at least I got my pilgrim title first |
| 04:54.00 | Thunder_Child | not sure if it's H or not |
| 04:54.05 | kdtresh | it'll be obsolete 5 mins after the next patch drops |
| 04:56.44 | ccox | yeah, my guild has HTotC and ony tonight |
| 04:57.10 | ccox | or not... |
| 04:57.36 | cogwheel | is ignored by Shirik QQ |
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| 04:57.56 | Shirik | ? |
| 04:57.56 | Shirik | you didn't say anything |
| 04:58.15 | cogwheel | 20:14 * cog|away gives Shirik that christian side hug |
| 04:58.22 | cogwheel | 20:46 < cogwheel> Shirik: can i have its stuff |
| 04:58.52 | cogwheel | takes back his christian side hug |
| 04:58.57 | Dagmar | If they weren't so repressed they wouldn't have needed to invent that hug |
| 04:59.04 | Shirik | slaps cogwheel on the butt |
| 04:59.37 | ccox | Dallas servers seem to be OK |
| 05:00.26 | cogwheel | gets some disinfectant wipes |
| 05:02.29 | kdtresh | seattle datacenter is the problem area |
| 05:02.33 | kdtresh | whirlwind and emberstorm |
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| 05:13.50 | bleeter | has dah popcorn n takes Cairenn to da movies |
| 05:14.03 | Cairenn | wheee, what movie are we going to see? |
| 05:14.43 | bleeter | er... i dunno. Christian Side Hugs #2 afaik |
| 05:20.45 | Cairenn | heh, okay |
| 05:20.46 | Shirik | tackles Cairenn |
| 05:20.51 | Cairenn | huggles Shirik |
| 05:21.47 | Cairenn | funky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoz5Q2rGQtQ |
| 05:24.36 | Corrodias | that would be totally awesome. |
| 05:24.43 | Cairenn | it would! |
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| 05:35.56 | Dagmar | It would also only be a matter of time before corporate logos were etched into the rings by small, unmanned drones |
| 05:41.19 | Cairenn | bah |
| 05:41.22 | Thunder_Child | Alpha Test Version: Too buggy to be released to the paying public. |
| 05:41.22 | Thunder_Child | Beta Test Version: Still too buggy to be released. |
| 05:41.23 | Thunder_Child | Release Version: Alternate pronunciation of "Beta Test Version". |
| 05:41.48 | durcyn | 3.0 Version: The Marketing guys think it actually works now, suckers. |
| 05:42.05 | Thunder_Child | AUTOEXEC.BAT: A sturdy aluminum or wooden shaft used to coax AT hard disks into |
| 05:42.05 | Thunder_Child | performing properly. |
| 05:43.02 | Thunder_Child | Integrated Software: A single product that deftly performs hundreds of |
| 05:43.02 | Thunder_Child | functions that the user never needs and awkwardly |
| 05:43.02 | Thunder_Child | performs the half-dozen he uses constantly. |
| 05:45.51 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: <3 |
| 05:46.24 | Shirik | Kraps: You use huggle, right? |
| 05:46.35 | Kraps | Shirik: yesl |
| 05:46.43 | Shirik | Don't you need a special permission for that? |
| 05:46.46 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, finding yourself agreeing? |
| 05:46.52 | Kraps | yes Shirik |
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| 05:47.04 | Shirik | Look at my contribs log and tell me if you think I would be able to obtain it :P |
| 05:47.10 | Kraps | haha |
| 05:47.15 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: yes |
| 05:47.21 | WobWork | Side Hugs? |
| 05:47.21 | Shirik | I want to try it out |
| 05:47.25 | Shirik | see how it is |
| 05:47.59 | Kraps | do you have rollback rights? |
| 05:48.11 | Shirik | no |
| 05:48.17 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, http://wowuidev.pastey.net/129422 |
| 05:48.22 | Kraps | hmm |
| 05:48.27 | Shirik | twinkle doesn't require rollback, so I never bothered to ask for it |
| 05:48.33 | WobWork | Is that "I wish to convey my fellowship with you, but not in any way involving contact with any sexual attributes"? |
| 05:48.58 | Kraps | whats your username again? |
| 05:49.17 | Cairenn | lol, you guys liked that link, huh? |
| 05:49.26 | Shirik | Kraps: Mpdelbuono |
| 05:51.53 | Kraps | huggle should be an automatic go for you Shirik |
| 05:51.58 | Shirik | huh? |
| 05:52.36 | Kraps | i mean they would approve you quickly |
| 05:53.01 | Shirik | ok :P |
| 05:53.49 | Kraps | did you take all those photos in you DA Shirik? |
| 05:53.55 | Shirik | of course |
| 05:54.03 | Kraps | niiiiice |
| 05:54.04 | Shirik | I don't post others' content :P |
| 05:54.10 | Shirik | eh, I need more |
| 05:54.13 | Shirik | I haven't taken pictures in a while |
| 05:54.18 | Shirik | I probably will over thanksgiving or something |
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| 06:00.55 | Shirik | holy shit that was fast Krap |
| 06:00.57 | Shirik | oh he left |
| 06:08.11 | Shirik | gah where did Kraps go |
| 06:08.15 | Shirik | how am I supposed to use this thing |
| 06:11.19 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 06:11.54 | Thunder_Child | "@Shirik: how am I supposed to use this thing" see that right there is a good topic |
| 06:12.01 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:12.03 | Thunder_Child | s/good/great/ |
| 06:12.07 | Shirik | you suck |
| 06:12.15 | Thunder_Child | but at least i know how |
| 06:14.18 | Shirik | no you don't! |
| 06:14.27 | Thunder_Child | you just said i did |
| 06:15.28 | Shirik | why is the server down!! |
| 06:16.55 | Thunder_Child | one of 2 options. #1 Seattle dropped the ball again. #2 the servers were never fixed from the last time. |
| 06:19.19 | Thunder_Child | haha http://gizmodo.com/5412249/this-is-how-a-pissed-off-designer-quits-his-job |
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| 06:34.29 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, http://gizmodo.com/5411177/74-mesmerizing-slow-shutter-shots |
| 06:34.56 | Shirik | awesome. |
| 06:36.17 | Shirik | I especially like the bananna strawberry |
| 06:36.23 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 06:36.30 | Thunder_Child | and i like that he explained how |
| 06:47.45 | ccox | @#%#%$ aren't datacenters supposed to have backup power supplies and generators? |
| 06:47.55 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:48.00 | Shirik | why, do you know what happened ccox? |
| 06:48.14 | ccox | no, just rumors so far |
| 06:54.24 | Yssaril | Cairenn: awasome vid (anyone want to blow up the moon and make some rings?) |
| 06:54.30 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 06:55.51 | Iriel | Shirik: Did you ever get more information from your professor about why the prover didn't know the rules for complex number comparison (or if there was a more subtle problem)? |
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| 07:05.26 | Shirik | here Thunder_Child |
| 07:05.27 | Shirik | enjoy |
| 07:05.50 | Shirik | Second time my page has ever been vandalized, I get to increase the counter! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mpdelbuono |
| 07:06.03 | Shirik | Always fun |
| 07:06.17 | Shirik | Iriel: No we've been quite busy with tests and such |
| 07:06.25 | Shirik | I wil probably ask him again soon, like when he's finished grading |
| 07:06.44 | Shirik | aw they already reverted the vandalism :( |
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| 07:52.35 | Fisker | maaaaaaaaaaaaaan |
| 07:58.39 | Fisker | you wouldn't shit on the floor |
| 07:58.43 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 07:58.48 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 07:58.53 | Shirik | no I would not |
| 08:00.14 | Fisker | looks under Shirik's dress |
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| 08:26.59 | Wobin | heh |
| 08:27.00 | Wobin | Previous Entry Add to memories! Edit Tags Tell a Friend! Track This Flag Next Entry |
| 08:27.00 | Wobin | You know you play too much WoW when... |
| 08:27.00 | Wobin | ...it finds it's way into your notes: "In 976AD, Jurchen capped capital @ Kaifeng. Emp Taizong led two raids against northern barbarians, both wiped". |
| 08:33.54 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:34.01 | Fisker | "oops" |
| 08:51.26 | Fisker | why oh why Shirik ? |
| 08:53.39 | Fisker | http://i46.tinypic.com/dbtcva.jpg <-go wordpad! |
| 08:55.17 | Thunder_Child | i need you Fisker |
| 08:55.34 | Thunder_Child | to go diaf |
| 08:56.18 | Thunder_Child | Fisker, either irc log or combat log |
| 08:57.12 | Fisker | BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 08:57.33 | Fisker | it couldn't get to the good part |
| 08:57.45 | Fisker | you know what Thunder_Child ? |
| 08:57.50 | Fisker | WORDPAD WAS BETTER THAN NOTEPAD++ |
| 08:57.52 | Fisker | LOL'D |
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| 08:58.47 | Thunder_Child | i know, it's sad |
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| 09:21.59 | Wobin | hehe |
| 09:22.02 | Wobin | Byron the tauren rogue |
| 09:22.05 | Wobin | awesome |
| 09:22.24 | mikma | no you're awesome |
| 09:25.28 | Balreign | a tauren rogue is whatever you want but not awesome... |
| 09:25.43 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/11/matrix_slowmotion_bullet_scene.php |
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| 09:26.35 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/11/good_times_joe_biden_jr_buys_c.php |
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| 09:31.58 | Cide- | hi Shirik |
| 09:32.02 | Shirik | ohi |
| 09:32.36 | Shirik | I <3 you Cide- |
| 09:32.38 | Shirik | Fisker does not |
| 09:32.57 | Cide- | was my proof correct? |
| 09:33.06 | Shirik | oh I don't know >< |
| 09:33.08 | Shirik | I gave up on it |
| 09:33.12 | Shirik | I don't care anymore |
| 09:33.12 | Cide- | why?! |
| 09:33.15 | Shirik | because |
| 09:33.17 | Cide- | it was simple |
| 09:33.18 | Shirik | it's a fucked up problem |
| 09:34.11 | Cide- | x^n = k(x-y)+r, y^n = m(x-y)+r |
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| 09:35.43 | Shirik | too many letters |
| 09:36.08 | Kalroth | well you can simply those two into k=m |
| 09:36.14 | Kalroth | see, much simpler |
| 09:36.14 | Cide- | nope |
| 09:37.04 | Kalroth | oh x^ and y^ too .. hrmm, so x = y and k = m! |
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| 09:38.05 | Shirik | Cide- |
| 09:38.17 | Shirik | I have 2500 pending reviews on wikipedia |
| 09:38.22 | Shirik | and I am not catching up |
| 09:38.32 | Shirik | 2535 now |
| 09:38.39 | Cide- | I don't get it |
| 09:39.31 | Shirik | I have 2545 edits to look through |
| 09:39.52 | Cide- | xx^n - yy^n = x(k(x-y)+r) - y(m(x-y)+r) = (x-y)(xk - ym) + r(x-y) = (x-y)(xk - ym + r) |
| 09:40.04 | Cide- | qed |
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| 09:40.19 | Kalroth | The idea was to make it use fewer letters |
| 09:40.25 | Cide- | no need. |
| 09:40.26 | Shirik | very good Cide- |
| 09:40.31 | Shirik | I am impressed |
| 09:40.45 | Cide- | you didn't even read it! |
| 09:40.49 | Kalroth | haha |
| 09:40.50 | Shirik | no, actually, I did |
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| 09:41.02 | Shirik | specifically I looked at the introduction of k and m |
| 09:41.27 | Shirik | however, it seems... odd |
| 09:41.34 | Cide- | why? |
| 09:41.43 | Shirik | there's no evidence of x^n-y^n in there |
| 09:41.51 | Cide- | you already proved the base case |
| 09:41.54 | Shirik | I know |
| 09:42.07 | Shirik | I'm just saying, it usually pops up that you will want to use the assumption |
| 09:42.11 | Shirik | and you didn't |
| 09:42.15 | Shirik | not saying it's wrong, just odd |
| 09:42.28 | Cide- | I know |
| 09:42.28 | Cide- | it's not normal induction |
| 09:42.51 | Cide- | but as far as I can tell it should be as applicable |
| 09:43.16 | Cide- | it's just not expressed as a single factor |
| 09:44.13 | Shirik | 2624 edits! |
| 09:46.42 | Kalroth | you need to click faster, Shirik |
| 09:48.05 | Shirik | I cannot! |
| 09:48.10 | Shirik | there's too many T_T |
| 09:48.13 | Shirik | I think I will go to sleep |
| 09:48.39 | Cide- | knowing I beat you |
| 09:50.48 | Kalroth | the shirik I once knew would never have given up |
| 09:51.22 | Shirik | aw |
| 09:51.23 | Shirik | it crashed |
| 09:51.32 | Shirik | I guess that means the 2600 edits I had queued up go away |
| 09:51.35 | Shirik | yay, I'm back on track |
| 09:57.41 | Shirik | faaaaaaaak |
| 09:57.43 | Shirik | I give up |
| 09:57.44 | Shirik | Cide- |
| 09:57.50 | Shirik | It is all yours now |
| 09:57.56 | Shirik | the future of Wikipedia is in your hands |
| 09:58.08 | Shirik | your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to not suck |
| 10:00.15 | Shirik | Cide! |
| 10:00.17 | Shirik | Accept the mission |
| 10:00.18 | Fisker | trips Shirik |
| 10:00.19 | Fisker | oops |
| 10:00.22 | Shirik | or I will send Fisker to attack you |
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| 10:02.20 | Cide- | no thanks! |
| 10:03.16 | Shirik | it was not an option |
| 10:03.23 | Shirik | Do, or do. |
| 10:03.26 | Shirik | There is no do not. |
| 10:05.46 | Shirik | Cide! |
| 10:05.47 | Shirik | do or do! |
| 10:05.56 | Shirik | ok I think I need to go to sleep before Cide kills me |
| 10:06.43 | Cide- | probably :D |
| 10:13.10 | Shirik | loves Cide- |
| 10:13.15 | Shirik | almost as much as the non-sleeping Cairenn |
| 10:13.23 | Shirik | Cairenn would be much cuter if she were asleep though |
| 10:13.58 | Shirik | but she intentionally ignores me |
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| 10:19.56 | Dolby | Shirik should go to sleep |
| 10:20.08 | Shirik | and if I refuse?! |
| 10:20.58 | Dolby | I'll take your memory cards for your digital camera at the next blizzcon so you cant take any pictures of Cairenn |
| 10:21.46 | Shirik | !!!! |
| 10:21.49 | Shirik | no :( |
| 10:24.25 | Cide- | ouch |
| 10:24.34 | Shirik | fine |
| 10:24.39 | Shirik | the mean man is making me go to sleep |
| 10:24.40 | Shirik | night |
| 10:24.52 | Cairenn | huggles Shirik |
| 10:24.54 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 10:26.21 | Kalroth | geez, he finally went to bed and then you poke him! |
| 10:27.25 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 10:27.29 | Shirik | psh |
| 10:27.33 | Shirik | Thunder_Child knows I wouldn't be asleep yet |
| 10:27.58 | Shirik | also, I just realized my personal userpage on wikipedia got vandalized 3 times today. I should be celebrating. |
| 10:28.30 | Shirik | but seriously, night now |
| 10:28.38 | Shirik | and I swear if Cairenn doesn't go to sleep within the next 30 minutes |
| 10:28.45 | Shirik | I'm going to her house and personally forcing her to sleep |
| 10:28.53 | Cairenn | giggles at Shirik |
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| 10:29.55 | Adys | in other news |
| 10:29.59 | Adys | http://ski.ihoc.net/ has been XKCD'd |
| 10:30.55 | Shirik | holy shit |
| 10:30.56 | Shirik | skifree |
| 10:31.00 | Shirik | I totally forgot about that game |
| 10:31.08 | Shirik | and fuck that monster I didn't know you could push F what the hell |
| 10:31.12 | Shirik | I thought it was just the end of the game |
| 10:31.19 | Shirik | qqqqqqqqqqq |
| 10:31.20 | Shirik | night |
| 10:32.53 | Cairenn | night Shirik, sweet dreams :) |
| 10:34.19 | Adys | night Shirik |
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| 11:06.55 | Kaso | Skifree was awesome, i remember playing that back in 3.1 days |
| 11:06.59 | Kaso | also Chip's Challenge |
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| 11:18.42 | Fisker | Chip's Challenge was fucking awesome |
| 11:22.10 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11587060505&postId=115855600857&sid=1#8 |
| 11:22.11 | Fisker | hoho |
| 11:32.35 | olafski | are there any addons available yet that list which quests you haven't done yet, preferrably searchable or filterable? |
| 11:35.13 | Fisker | i believe there's one that takes the info from the 3.3 ptr and can be imported into 3.2 |
| 11:35.41 | olafski | oh that's even better than I would have hoped for :D |
| 11:35.55 | olafski | btw, eu battle.net store is lame, they only sell wc3+tft in german and french -_- |
| 11:36.21 | Fisker | what's so lame about that? |
| 11:36.38 | olafski | I want the english version |
| 11:37.03 | Fisker | oh lol |
| 11:37.05 | olafski | guess this is just the last stock |
| 11:37.13 | olafski | I'd prefer digital download but the hardcopy versions are 5 euro cheaper |
| 11:37.26 | Kaso | olafski: you looking to do loremaster? with that info |
| 11:37.33 | olafski | nah I actually already have loremaster |
| 11:37.40 | olafski | I want to know which OOX beacons I still need |
| 11:37.50 | olafski | I asked a GM but I suspect he lied to me :( |
| 11:37.59 | olafski | killed about 500 pirates in tanaris and I didn't get the egg |
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| 11:38.13 | olafski | maybe I'm just unlucky though, questhelper also told me that I still need to do that quest :< |
| 11:38.24 | Kaso | ah i see |
| 11:38.25 | A-KO | http://www.boingboing.net/2009/11/24/footage-from-the-fir.html < wow |
| 11:38.39 | Kaso | well when i asked a gm the info he gave me for that was perfect |
| 11:38.57 | Kaso | but one zone did take a good couple days of mob slaughter |
| 11:39.21 | Kaso | but yeah nipping on the ptr would be the solution for you |
| 11:39.26 | olafski | yer guess he told me the truth.. usually I got them very quickly though |
| 11:39.30 | Fisker | you can't see what quests you haven't done yet |
| 11:39.35 | Fisker | only in 3.3 |
| 11:40.39 | olafski | yeh I checked on the PTR with /qh incomplete |
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| 11:40.52 | olafski | that requires some filtering though, as 90% of the quests it shows me are unavailable to me |
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| 11:42.34 | olafski | guess it's back to tanaris and hinterlands for me ;) |
| 11:42.37 | Kaso | i think ZorbaTHut has big plans for the incomplete quest data from the api, combined with the GB's of quest data he's got collected ;p |
| 11:43.01 | olafski | yeah I'd hope so ;) |
| 11:43.13 | olafski | I just checked dun morogh but half the quests were paladin only and stuff like that :) |
| 11:43.58 | Kaso | i think he mentioned that doing incomplete quests would require him to gather some information that so-far qh hasnt been gathering, quest start info i guess? |
| 11:44.09 | olafski | bah it just feels wrong to pay 30 euro for a digital download when the physical version would be 25 and would be the same thing once I hook it up to my bnet account :< |
| 11:44.11 | Kaso | but new versions will pull that im sure |
| 11:44.14 | Wobble | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SqhhJb_P3Kk/SwwJw_ttegI/AAAAAAAAKE0/mINjm82I9X4/s400/blue+shift.jpg |
| 11:44.20 | Wobble | Shirik, ^ |
| 11:44.26 | olafski | heh |
| 11:44.44 | olafski | our physics department uses those too |
| 11:44.44 | olafski | brbreboot:( |
| 11:45.26 | Fisker | anyways olafski |
| 11:45.28 | Fisker | go post on the forums |
| 11:45.50 | Fisker | or actually |
| 11:45.57 | Fisker | you say you're killing pirates |
| 11:45.57 | Fisker | yarr |
| 11:46.08 | Fisker | have you considered you GOT the egg, but didn't finish the escort? |
| 11:47.41 | Fisker | smokes a pibe |
| 11:48.28 | olafski | yeah I'm going to check that now |
| 11:48.45 | olafski | but I imagine questhelper would have listed "find OOX/TN" in addition to "rescue OOX/TN" which it does now |
| 11:49.19 | olafski | unless I did find it but abandoned the escort quest.. seems unlikely |
| 11:50.10 | olafski | (I'm a DK so would have been hard to fail the escort) |
| 11:52.39 | Fisker | true |
| 11:52.55 | olafski | nope no quest from the chicken.. I imagine all mobs here have the same droprate more or less? or should I go to ZF specifically because it has higher mobs |
| 11:54.56 | Fisker | well the beauty with ZF is you can basically just pull all mobs |
| 11:55.11 | olafski | hmm.. at lvl 80 you have to get so close to aggro :< |
| 11:55.40 | olafski | but it's probably still faster |
| 11:55.58 | Fisker | they aggro eachother |
| 11:56.01 | Fisker | if they get close enough |
| 11:56.34 | olafski | hmm |
| 11:56.58 | olafski | guess I'll try that |
| 11:57.49 | Fisker | of course you're not in a raid or something like that right? :P |
| 11:58.49 | olafski | no +) |
| 12:03.42 | industrial | does the USA have its own country level domain? eg .us? |
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| 12:04.05 | olafski | bah, tossers keep dismounting me |
| 12:04.50 | olafski | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=18395 <-- this is imba |
| 12:04.57 | industrial | I wish they (as in all us websites and US specific news and all that crap) would bugger off the internet to their own domain, just as eg all german sht is behind .de and noone has to care about it |
| 12:05.01 | industrial | http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/09/11/25/0124246/Ubuntu-Reaching-Out-To-16000-Anime-Lovers |
| 12:05.12 | industrial | --^ america specific --> trashbin for me |
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| 12:06.19 | industrial | the USA isnt THE country, its just another country :P |
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| 12:14.37 | olafski | fisker: I get the feelign they added dismounting shot to prevent people from pulling all of ZF :P |
| 12:25.01 | Legorol | cool, QH doesn't know what to do for the BT attunement step where you have to kill Winterchill |
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| 12:31.19 | Legorol | In QuestHelper's quest tracker, how do I rehide a quest that was previously hidden but I chose to show? |
| 12:31.31 | Fisker | weird olafski |
| 12:31.31 | Legorol | I don't seem to be able to find an option relevant to this, and right-clicking doesn't help |
| 12:31.33 | Fisker | never had that |
| 12:31.39 | Fisker | probably a hotfix |
| 12:33.26 | Wobble | if you die in the deeprun |
| 12:33.30 | Wobble | can you get back to your corpse? |
| 12:34.14 | olafski | it's been in a while |
| 12:34.17 | olafski | I got the beacon though finally |
| 12:34.49 | Wobble | hm, I don't even know if you can zone as a ghost |
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| 12:38.11 | Fisker | slaps Wobble around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:40.41 | olafski | try it wobble ;) |
| 12:43.08 | Wobble | worked out fine |
| 12:43.12 | Wobble | aside from the camping pally |
| 12:43.17 | Fisker | makes out with Wobble |
| 12:43.28 | Fisker | you really think you're the first person to die in the tram? |
| 12:43.50 | Wobble | pats Fisker |
| 12:43.53 | Wobble | fail troll is fail |
| 12:44.07 | Wobble | that was a pretty terrible attempt |
| 12:44.23 | Sentri | name an addon for me that has a cood CPU profiling display |
| 12:45.25 | Fisker | naw Wobble ? |
| 12:49.02 | Fisker | so Wobble |
| 12:49.13 | Fisker | did you really think you were the first person to die in the tram? |
| 12:49.31 | Wobin | no. What gave you that idea? |
| 12:49.58 | Wobin | cause if I did think I was |
| 12:49.59 | Fisker | That you thought you couldn't get there |
| 12:50.06 | Wobin | I wouldn't be asking the question as to if I could or not |
| 12:50.17 | Wobin | cause what's the point in asking if nobody knows? |
| 12:50.40 | Fisker | failtroll is you |
| 12:50.54 | Wobin | newp, failtroll is -you- |
| 12:50.58 | Wobin | ~fail Fisker |
| 12:50.59 | purl | Fisker, you Fail! |
| 12:51.03 | Fisker | If people have died there since the beginning of WoW and have been unable to retrieve their corpse |
| 12:51.11 | Wobin | I wasn't trolling |
| 12:51.11 | Fisker | don't you think it would've been a bit infamous by now? |
| 12:51.14 | Wobin | I was asking =P |
| 12:51.16 | Fisker | indeed you were |
| 12:51.20 | Fisker | or you are stupid |
| 12:51.39 | Wobin | There could be some weird mechanic that forced people to spirit res |
| 12:51.54 | Wobin | Going the way Blizzard does with Horde vs Alliance, I don't put it past them =P |
| 12:52.00 | Fisker | read above |
| 12:52.11 | Wobin | yes, and? |
| 12:52.31 | Wobin | it could be infamously unfair that horde need to spirit res |
| 12:52.57 | Wobin | I actually had the fear that I'd have to hop off the tram mid travel to find and res on my corpse |
| 12:53.06 | Wobin | cause god knows Blizzard often fail with vehicles |
| 12:53.44 | Fisker | sorry i called you a troll then Wobin :( |
| 12:53.57 | Wobin | That's alright, Fisker |
| 12:53.58 | Fisker | You must genuinely be stupid :) |
| 12:54.25 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: congrats, the radar works pretty well |
| 12:54.31 | Fisker | wut radar! |
| 12:54.41 | Wobin | nah, compared to you, I'm positively a genius =) |
| 12:54.48 | Wobin | You make -everyone- feel smart! |
| 12:54.55 | Legorol | latest QH beta has a radar: target a mob by name and it tries to guesstimate its position and shows it on minimap |
| 12:54.55 | Wobin | pats Fisker |
| 12:55.07 | Legorol | it refines its guess as you move around |
| 12:55.26 | olafski | it rocks |
| 12:55.52 | Fisker | you wouldn't bring a nigga down Wobin |
| 12:55.53 | Legorol | yah, i was fooled by it once: i was outdoors and a mob was indoords, underneath me |
| 12:55.57 | Legorol | didn't understand why i can't see himm |
| 12:56.03 | Legorol | but that wasn't hte radar's fault |
| 12:56.14 | Wobin | sif you weren't whiter than a thousand litres of milk, Fisker =P |
| 12:57.53 | Fisker | ~seen ZorbaTHut |
| 12:57.54 | purl | zorbathut <i=tocohl@maximilian.pavlovian.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 11h 53m 45s ago, saying: 'ccox, on the other hand, blizz's version isn't'. |
| 13:00.45 | Fisker | anyone knows if QH works with 3.3's questlists then? |
| 13:01.35 | Fisker | seems like it |
| 13:01.37 | Fisker | but only in 3.3 :( |
| 13:01.44 | Fisker | slacker ZorbaTHut |
| 13:01.56 | olafski | questlists? :o |
| 13:03.20 | Fisker | yeah |
| 13:03.25 | Fisker | 3.3 has that incomplete quest api |
| 13:03.37 | Fisker | it shows what quests you've done and which ones you haven't |
| 13:07.07 | Fisker | any addon kinda like kos but more oriented on ninjaing and sharing lists with guilds etc? |
| 13:09.48 | Fisker | FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU- |
| 13:10.23 | Fisker | Someone on vent just said "AFK" and a it cut off a woman moaning |
| 13:10.32 | Fisker | everyone on vent started laughing :o |
| 13:12.32 | olafski | :) |
| 13:12.48 | olafski | yeah that's kinda what I asked about earlier then (quest stuff) |
| 13:13.16 | Fisker | yeah that's what i told you about :P |
| 13:14.25 | olafski | only need hinterlands now :P |
| 13:14.29 | olafski | but first some proofs in my report :< |
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| 13:34.12 | Audible | When is 3.3 set to come out ? |
| 13:34.23 | olafski | when it's done |
| 13:34.26 | Jerub | Audible: we don't really know, but the noises are getting louder. |
| 13:34.34 | Fisker | tomorrow |
| 13:35.02 | Fisker | i have a feeling they'll want to implement the battle.net real id stuff in 3.3 though |
| 13:35.59 | Kaso | Audible: at least a month mmochamp says |
| 13:36.07 | olafski | kaso: last week ;) |
| 13:36.33 | Kaso | at least a month - 1 week |
| 13:36.33 | Kaso | then ;p |
| 13:38.00 | Audible | okey, it will be nice with 3.3 |
| 13:38.07 | olafski | agreed ;) |
| 13:38.17 | Audible | too bad all quest addons will have to be redone in Cataclysm :) |
| 13:38.30 | olafski | oh well ,) |
| 13:38.43 | olafski | well, the actual addons don't have to be completely redone I'd say |
| 13:38.45 | olafski | only the databases |
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| 13:40.08 | Kaso | they already have that sort of stuff set up in the databases, for quests that change QH has a "only regard data since patch x" flag ZorbaTHut can set when building. |
| 13:40.25 | Kaso | it'll just take a few months of people on betas to collect some new data of the new quests |
| 13:41.17 | olafski | oh, nice |
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| 14:03.18 | Lunessa | Station. |
| 14:03.47 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, dear. |
| 14:12.20 | Fisker | Bookstore |
| 14:12.33 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning, educated people! Anyone work with Silverlight, and can tell me in one sentence what it does that's spiffy? |
| 14:13.10 | Fisker | the same as flash |
| 14:13.10 | Fisker | :P |
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| 14:13.39 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: The short answer, "Nothing." The longer answer, "Nothing useful." |
| 14:13.53 | Lopeppeppy | That's what I thought. Is it platform independent, as in, one may install it on Macs to view such objects where they appear on the interwebs? |
| 14:14.08 | Fisker | dunno |
| 14:14.13 | Fisker | Works with Firefox and Chrome though |
| 14:14.23 | Fisker | so i'd assume they've made it for mac and linux as well |
| 14:14.32 | Lopeppeppy | So it's a browser plugin, not necessarily a computer program. |
| 14:14.56 | nevcairiel | its like flash |
| 14:14.57 | nevcairiel | : |
| 14:15.00 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 14:15.02 | robotusch | bowls a kitten underarm to Fisker |
| 14:15.16 | Fisker | msn robotusch |
| 14:15.24 | nevcairiel | there is a linux plugin of it in the mono project, afaik |
| 14:15.27 | Fisker | actually appears to only be mac and windows |
| 14:15.40 | Fisker | but if it's on mac someone probably put it on linux as well |
| 14:15.49 | jadakren | its called moonlight or something |
| 14:15.57 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 14:15.59 | nevcairiel | moonlight from mono |
| 14:16.21 | nevcairiel | MS wanted in on the flash market |
| 14:16.22 | Kaso | moonlight is sketchy though esp when video codecs get involved |
| 14:16.25 | nevcairiel | so they made silverlight |
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| 14:16.38 | jadakren | just another attempt to embrace, extend and exclude |
| 14:16.55 | jadakren | bit too late though |
| 14:17.06 | Lunessa | Yeah. It's primarily aimed at being a flash replacer. Rolled out for Windows and IE first. It's spreading slowly. It's not great, but it's not gouge your eyes out with a spoon bad either. |
| 14:17.22 | nevcairiel | imho flash dev is worse then silverlight dev |
| 14:17.55 | Fisker | MS > * |
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| 14:18.24 | jadakren | basically... if its not a video then why is it binary... |
| 14:18.34 | Wobble | woah |
| 14:18.36 | jadakren | unless its for download to use offline |
| 14:18.43 | Wobble | number of google wave invites just doubled =P |
| 14:19.05 | nevcairiel | on another browser note, the Direct2D powered firefox is awesome fast |
| 14:19.05 | Wobin | anyone want one? |
| 14:19.20 | nevcairiel | sure Wobin |
| 14:19.24 | Kaso | neve |
| 14:19.25 | Wobin | email, nev? |
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| 14:20.24 | nevcairiel | query ^ |
| 14:21.17 | Fisker | http://kotaku.com/5412428/there-is-a-lawsuit-featuring-world-of-warcraft-winona-ryder--depeche-mode |
| 14:21.18 | Lopeppeppy | And he's using it stupidly, to render a static table of photos and captions. What the hell. |
| 14:21.43 | jadakren | Lopeppeppy: seriously...some people... |
| 14:22.05 | jadakren | random: hai gaiz ima use a WMV to show you my home page on my home page... |
| 14:22.14 | jadakren | me : ... |
| 14:23.04 | jadakren | bit like those websites that make no sense when you turn the style sheets off |
| 14:23.18 | jadakren | site menu is in the middle of the article |
| 14:23.20 | Hirsute | Fisker: Wow. Batshit crazy, that guy. |
| 14:25.50 | Lunessa | Fisker: ... Batshit crazy. I wonder if he filed the suit himself or found a shyster desperate enough for cash to do it for him. |
| 14:27.01 | Fisker | :3 |
| 14:33.49 | Lopeppeppy | I just dont' understand people who can't present simple information simply. |
| 14:34.24 | Lopeppeppy | It's like using a friggin' broadway billboard to ask for a glass of milk. He's spent countless hours doing something I can do with a table in half an hour, and it will render on any browser without some special plugin. |
| 14:37.19 | Kaso | some people are too big fans of microsoft |
| 14:37.25 | Kaso | but but it works in ie8! |
| 14:40.25 | Lopeppeppy | IE8 hasn't been fully certified on our campus yet. :P |
| 14:40.42 | nevcairiel | You probably still use IE6 and WinXP, then! :P |
| 14:41.18 | Kaso | does silverlight support ie6? or have even microsoft given up on that pos? |
| 14:41.34 | Lopeppeppy | I dont' know, we don't have IE6 on campus anymore. |
| 14:41.36 | nevcairiel | the plugin probably works as its just a plain ActiveX plugin |
| 14:55.54 | Lunessa | Kaso: I think it's a 7+ tech. |
| 14:57.24 | Lopeppeppy | It's very new |
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| 14:58.07 | Lopeppeppy | Basically, we're trying to decide whether to support it. We even limit what flash we allow our users to put up, because of the server load. |
| 14:58.34 | Lopeppeppy | And this is the Flash upgrade, pretty much. |
| 15:01.55 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Here, if it requires any kind of install and you're not and Admin, the answer is "no." Once you've made a business case for needing it, then "yes." Other wise... NO. |
| 15:02.21 | Lopeppeppy | I wish it were that easy... but it will still likely be no. |
| 15:03.11 | Lopeppeppy | ?me is aggressivel on hold |
| 15:03.14 | nevcairiel | server load? |
| 15:03.20 | nevcairiel | that stuff runs on the client side |
| 15:03.39 | Lopeppeppy | Of every computer on campus. |
| 15:03.50 | Lopeppeppy | hello |
| 15:04.12 | nevcairiel | still doesnt see the "server" aspect |
| 15:04.36 | Lopeppeppy | we have shit for it support and infrastructure, trust me |
| 15:05.05 | Lunessa | Peppy - do you guys have a small internet pipe? |
| 15:05.23 | Lopeppeppy | I am given to understand so, yes |
| 15:05.25 | zenzelezz | not so much a pipe as a straw |
| 15:05.46 | Lunessa | "suck harder" |
| 15:06.08 | Lopeppeppy | we can't even provide dorm internet, we contract that out |
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| 15:10.41 | Lunessa | We don't even have dorms. We contract out housing. |
| 15:10.49 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 15:11.17 | Lunessa | If you want dorms, you go to another campus in our system. |
| 15:17.15 | Lunessa | http://www.pvponline.com/2009/11/24/hunter-blatherer/ |
| 15:19.55 | Lunessa | Maybe NSFW - http://www.rhymes-with-witch.com/lwr11252009.shtml |
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| 15:32.24 | Lunessa | New wave of Wave invites today. Humor intended. |
| 15:34.11 | nevcairiel | The invite wobin send me an hour ago already arrived in my inbox, they are fast now, too |
| 15:34.24 | Ackis | coughs on the channel giving everyone H1N1. |
| 15:34.43 | olafski | I think by now everyone already has that ackis.. find a new disease |
| 15:34.44 | Lopeppeppy | needs to activate her invite and go see what its' all about! |
| 15:34.54 | Wobin | wow |
| 15:34.58 | Wobin | crazy |
| 15:35.00 | Ackis | I think I'm actually getting it now |
| 15:35.25 | Lopeppeppy | Aww. *hug* |
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| 15:36.08 | Ackis | olafski: http://i50.tinypic.com/2r4o6c2.jpg |
| 15:36.12 | Ackis | get spectraled on! |
| 15:36.23 | olafski | you've got too much money :( |
| 15:36.35 | Lunessa | Ackis: Old. That screenie is soooo yesterday. |
| 15:36.44 | Ackis | hey I pulled the kitten on Saturday! |
| 15:36.54 | Ackis | Lunessa: but it *still* makes people hate me. |
| 15:37.11 | olafski | wish I had a code for either of those :P |
| 15:37.46 | Lunessa | Ackis: I has the Murloc Suit but not the rest. But I do have my own Goblin Weather Making gizmo |
| 15:38.12 | Ackis | that weather making thing is neat |
| 15:38.36 | Ackis | only loot I'm missing now is the ogre pinata and the tuskarr kite and I have someone who'll be giving me the kite in a trade I think |
| 15:38.42 | Lunessa | It gets a few laughs. |
| 15:38.44 | Fisker | btw |
| 15:38.54 | Fisker | anyone know if blizzard did some retarded hotfix? |
| 15:39.00 | Fisker | corpses keep disappearing here |
| 15:39.21 | zenzelezz | they were stolen for medical research |
| 15:39.25 | Fisker | naw |
| 15:39.34 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSDj7bjAv2 |
| 15:39.37 | Fisker | you fail Ackis |
| 15:39.38 | Lopeppeppy | wants a pinata! |
| 15:39.46 | Fisker | you fail Lunessa |
| 15:40.24 | Lunessa | Fisker: I'm made of so much Fail that it has crossed a boundary into Awesome and Win. |
| 15:40.31 | Ackis | Fisker: http://i50.tinypic.com/2r4o6c2.jpg I fail so much! |
| 15:41.16 | olafski | ackis: you should make your client include that picture on every line you write |
| 15:41.35 | Ackis | olafski: or I can copy and paste it http://i50.tinypic.com/2r4o6c2.jpg |
| 15:41.50 | Ackis | I think C&P will be more fun tbh http://i50.tinypic.com/2r4o6c2.jpg |
| 15:41.50 | olafski | yeah that works |
| 15:41.50 | olafski | but what if you forget? |
| 15:41.56 | Fisker | try visiting your stupid youtube link? |
| 15:42.01 | Ackis | I'll just blame Fisker then http://i50.tinypic.com/2r4o6c2.jpg |
| 15:43.30 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSDj7bjAv2s |
| 15:44.44 | Fisker | not even a smile Lunessa |
| 15:44.44 | zenzelezz | "Poste Italiane, the Italian postal service, suffered yesterday from an abnormal computation in ATM and credit card operations, since the decimal comma was not taken into account. The whole sum was therefore multiplied by 100, resulting in a 115,00 Euro transaction being debited as 11.500 Euro! Thousands of accounts are deep in the red and locked, so that no more operations are possible. Poste Italiane is gradually recovering the problem, fixing the |
| 15:44.44 | zenzelezz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.07 | Lunessa | Not supposed to make YOU smile. I don't much care if you smile, frown or cry. |
| 15:45.23 | Fisker | but i did cry |
| 15:46.41 | Wobin | Ackis, does it have an amusing idle anim? |
| 15:46.43 | Wobin | or the normal cat one? |
| 15:46.47 | Ackis | yay my RMA has been shipped! http://i50.tinypic.com/2r4o6c2.jpg |
| 15:46.55 | olafski | nice one |
| 15:46.58 | Ackis | WobWork: it just sits down, it has a "cute" roar however |
| 15:47.06 | Ackis | damnit forgot http://i50.tinypic.com/2r4o6c2.jpg |
| 15:47.10 | olafski | ackis: see, now you forgot to add the link |
| 15:50.53 | Adys | wow caps |
| 15:51.01 | Adys | anyone on windows can help me half a sec? |
| 15:51.15 | olafski | half a sec, can do |
| 15:51.22 | Adys | olafski: can you fire up wordpad |
| 15:51.30 | olafski | done ;) |
| 15:51.30 | Ackis | Adys: Only if this link gets on mmo-champ news: http://i50.tinypic.com/2r4o6c2.jpg |
| 15:51.38 | Adys | olafski: hit ctrl-f |
| 15:51.38 | Ackis | done :) http://i50.tinypic.com/2r4o6c2.jpg |
| 15:51.45 | olafski | adys: nothing happens |
| 15:51.46 | Adys | write "Adys is amazingly awesome" |
| 15:51.53 | Adys | er |
| 15:51.57 | Adys | create a new document i dunno |
| 15:52.05 | olafski | a document is created by default |
| 15:52.13 | Adys | ah |
| 15:52.13 | olafski | but it seems I can only search if something is in it |
| 15:52.17 | Adys | yeah |
| 15:52.19 | Adys | well write something and ctrl-f |
| 15:52.33 | Adys | write "Adys is amazing" in the searchbox |
| 15:52.38 | Adys | and hit ctrl-backspace |
| 15:52.45 | Adys | what's in the searchbox? |
| 15:52.57 | olafski | are you trying to make me say you're amazing? |
| 15:53.00 | Adys | yes |
| 15:53.01 | Adys | but |
| 15:53.03 | olafski | haha |
| 15:53.08 | olafski | well, the same is still in the search box |
| 15:53.10 | nevcairiel | Adys s amazing |
| 15:53.12 | Adys | bah k |
| 15:53.14 | nevcairiel | plus some funny char |
| 15:53.22 | Adys | nevcairiel: wtf? |
| 15:53.30 | nevcairiel | i got that when typing ctrl-backspace |
| 15:53.33 | Adys | Oo |
| 15:53.34 | nevcairiel | dont ask me |
| 15:53.38 | olafski | different windows/locale or something? |
| 15:53.42 | Adys | what version of windows? |
| 15:53.46 | olafski | I'm using Vista Business |
| 15:53.46 | nevcairiel | 7 |
| 15:53.50 | zenzelezz | some Windows controls support ctrl+backspace as "erase word", some don't and insert a character |
| 15:53.58 | zenzelezz | it's been like that for ages |
| 15:54.02 | Adys | thats fucking terrible |
| 15:54.02 | olafski | zenzelezz: mine doesn't insert anything though |
| 15:54.02 | Adys | thanks guys |
| 15:54.10 | olafski | in word ctrl+backspace works as expected though |
| 15:54.24 | nevcairiel | they revamped wordpad for win7, fwiw |
| 15:54.28 | Adys | yeha i just needed wordpad |
| 15:54.28 | olafski | oh in wordpad too actually, just not in the search box |
| 15:54.34 | zenzelezz | it depends on the control |
| 15:54.40 | Ackis | Adys: I'm on XP Pro here at work and it did the same thing |
| 15:54.46 | zenzelezz | the search box uses a textbox object, the editor uses a richedit object |
| 16:01.41 | Kraps | i have win2000 with 126 mb ram BISHESSSSSS |
| 16:01.58 | Kraps | at work |
| 16:02.39 | amro | Kraps: and a 3 button mouse without wheel? |
| 16:03.40 | Kraps | naw 2 button optical with a wheel |
| 16:04.02 | Kraps | its newer |
| 16:04.09 | olafski | sounds very advanced.. won't that take too much processing power? |
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| 16:04.24 | Kraps | dont make fun :( |
| 16:04.42 | olafski | also where did the other 2MB ram go? |
| 16:04.52 | Kraps | this box doesnt even have a sound card |
| 16:05.08 | olafski | assuming you're not using 6 ram modules to get to 126MB |
| 16:05.18 | olafski | sound is overrated |
| 16:07.32 | Kraps | doesnt even matter cuz i wouldnt be able to run pandora anyway |
| 16:08.35 | olafski | I feel blissfully ignorant about what pandora is ;) |
| 16:09.36 | Lunessa | Too much fun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEjUAnPc2VA |
| 16:10.03 | Kraps | ~fail olafski |
| 16:10.04 | purl | You suck at everything in life, olafski. I hate you because you fail. |
| 16:11.34 | Kraps | k purl that was a bit harsh |
| 16:14.29 | Fisker | not fun at all Lunessa |
| 16:14.46 | Fisker | oh wait just have to wait another minute or so |
| 16:14.54 | Lunessa | drown Fisker in whale snot. |
| 16:15.06 | cogwheel | Fisker heads, fisker heads, roly poly fisker heads. Fisker heads fisker heads, eat them up YUM! |
| 16:15.12 | Ackis | http://www.27bslash6.com/p2p.html |
| 16:15.16 | Ackis | I laughed |
| 16:15.25 | Fisker | you wouldn't sell my head to people on the street cogwheel |
| 16:16.33 | Fisker | ok there |
| 16:16.33 | Ackis | pie chart of Fisker getting laid: http://www.27bslash6.com/images/graph_for_simon_edhouse3.gif |
| 16:16.35 | Fisker | it sucks |
| 16:16.52 | olafski | no worries kraps I have that bot on ignore ;p |
| 16:17.04 | Kraps | hehe |
| 16:17.41 | Fisker | why does a briefcase have the ability to move itself anyways? |
| 16:19.09 | cogwheel | Fisker: yes i wud... see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKDtUzRIG6I |
| 16:20.12 | Fisker | You are excessively mean cogwheel |
| 16:20.30 | cogwheel | :'( |
| 16:21.22 | cogwheel | seerah's meaner... i've had this song stuck in my head for far too long |
| 16:21.26 | Ackis | Fisker: http://twitter.com/common_squirrel |
| 16:21.26 | Ackis | is that you? |
| 16:21.48 | Seerah | huggles cogwheel :) |
| 16:21.53 | Fisker | seriously Ackis |
| 16:21.54 | Fisker | do you have to ask? |
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| 16:24.26 | cogwheel | ~botsmack |
| 16:24.27 | purl | OWW! |
| 16:24.41 | cogwheel | purl: stop ignoring my PMs! |
| 16:24.42 | purl | ACTION leaps to his feet and stops ignoring my PMs! |
| 16:24.46 | nevcairiel | its snack, not smack :( poor purl |
| 16:24.52 | cogwheel | "his"!!?!!? |
| 16:25.02 | cogwheel | purl's got gender issues imo |
| 16:25.16 | nevcairiel | always has |
| 16:26.19 | Lunessa | I took a fish head out to the movies. Didn't have to pay to get it in. |
| 16:26.34 | cbreak | purl: sudo make me a pizza |
| 16:26.42 | cbreak | feels ignored |
| 16:28.03 | Kraps | cogwheel: its a robot, all of them have some |
| 16:30.23 | Lunessa | Ackis: http://www.27bslash6.com/slyseb.html - This one cracked me up. |
| 16:36.52 | Fisker | I am still intact |
| 16:41.38 | cogwheel | Fisker: as are most non-jewish european males |
| 16:44.02 | Lunessa | *faceplam* |
| 16:44.59 | cogwheel | http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/facepalm.jpg |
| 16:45.02 | Kraps | cogwheel: wow |
| 16:46.51 | Kraps | that cuts deep |
| 16:47.14 | Lopeppeppy | Cog is a meanie head |
| 16:47.19 | cogwheel | :'( |
| 16:47.25 | Lopeppeppy | *kiss kiss* |
| 16:47.28 | Lopeppeppy | But your hat is made of win |
| 16:47.45 | cogwheel | my non sequitur has a reason! |
| 16:48.13 | cogwheel | Kraps: my grandmother: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_Milos |
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| 16:50.18 | Kraps | meh |
| 16:51.42 | Lunessa | That hat made identifying Cog ez-mode on the Keemah Boardwalk. |
| 16:53.08 | Kraps | cogwheel: its a religious thing for some people |
| 16:53.40 | cogwheel | Kraps: only a minute fraction in the us. for everyone else it's just what you do because, well, it is. |
| 16:54.48 | Lunessa | There was a period in the 50s, 60s and 70s where it was believed to be "medically appropriate and healthful" but there is no evidence for that. |
| 16:55.08 | Lunessa | Or "no evidence for those claims" |
| 16:55.33 | cogwheel | the original secular justification was to prevent masturbation which was blamed for pretty much every disease under the sun before germ theory caught on |
| 16:56.09 | cogwheel | Then during WWII the military started circ'ing blacks because they thought they were responsible for the spread of VD among troups |
| 16:56.34 | Lunessa | It's amazing what you can get people to believe about sex/disease/health |
| 16:56.46 | cogwheel | ever since then, circ has been a solution searching for a problem |
| 16:57.15 | Lopeppeppy | Those are popular in health. A doctor gets a pet idea, shares it around, and suddenly everyone thinks it's required... |
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| 16:58.32 | Lunessa | I don't have strong feelings about it one way or another. But it really shouldn't be done as routine if people don't want it. |
| 17:00.05 | cogwheel | the problem is the people it's being done to have no chance to say whether they want it or not |
| 17:00.36 | cogwheel | (which is the whole crux of my grandmother's "crusade", regardless of the actual effects of the surgery) |
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| 17:01.47 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Qj8PhxSnhg |
| 17:04.04 | mikma | hehe |
| 17:11.28 | Kraps | any of you seen Gamer? |
| 17:12.24 | Fisker | yes |
| 17:12.35 | Fisker | it's about as bad as all those youtube links Lunessa keeps linking |
| 17:13.03 | Lunessa | Fisker: Objection! My links are better than that movie. |
| 17:13.11 | Kraps | its gerard butler with a gun, not too bad imo |
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| 17:15.34 | Kraps | also you were expecting a deep story? its has an fps and a social mmog in it, those types of game dont have one usually |
| 17:16.24 | Fisker | just because the game doesn't have one, doesn't mean a movie about it can't |
| 17:16.35 | Kraps | :p |
| 17:17.00 | Kraps | its just following convention |
| 17:19.10 | Kraps | i was more interested in the tech |
| 17:21.09 | Shirik | Kraps |
| 17:21.17 | Shirik | when you said "you should get permission quickly" |
| 17:21.29 | Shirik | I did not expect less than 3 minutes |
| 17:21.39 | Kraps | haha sweet |
| 17:21.41 | Shirik | Request: Mpdelbuono (talk) 05:57, 25 November 2009 (UTC) |
| 17:21.49 | Shirik | Done More than happy to give it to a good vandal fighter like yourself. upstateNYer 05:59, 25 November 2009 (UTC) |
| 17:22.04 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaskIzjL_mg |
| 17:22.55 | Shirik | and then I DCed |
| 17:22.59 | Shirik | anyway, HG is very different |
| 17:23.11 | Shirik | but interesting how it prioritizes changes |
| 17:26.18 | Kraps | i occasionally got warned when i got too trigger happy |
| 17:26.57 | Shirik | heh |
| 17:27.00 | Kraps | happens easily with HG |
| 17:27.01 | Shirik | don't get trigger happy :) |
| 17:27.24 | Shirik | I think I need to do some reconfiguration though |
| 17:28.26 | Shirik | I really need a better user signature |
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| 17:28.46 | Kraps | but i need to get my revert in before someone else does! |
| 17:28.51 | Shirik | ROFL |
| 17:29.16 | Shirik | I do have to admit, HG has seemed to improve my productivity. My user page got vandalized 3 times last night. |
| 17:29.22 | Shirik | Which is a good sign |
| 17:29.36 | Kraps | thats why i say wikipedia was my first mmo |
| 17:29.46 | Ackis | vandalizes Shirik |
| 17:29.54 | Shirik | Ackis |
| 17:29.55 | Shirik | what have you done with Adys? |
| 17:30.01 | Adys | meh |
| 17:30.08 | Ackis | he's writing an article for mmo-champ |
| 17:30.12 | Adys | no |
| 17:30.14 | Adys | from FTEXImagePlugin import FTEXImageFile as F; F("ring.ftu") |
| 17:30.20 | Shirik | AHHHH |
| 17:30.25 | Shirik | THE PYTHON |
| 17:30.25 | Shirik | IT BURNS |
| 17:30.39 | Ackis | Adys: yes! http://i50.tinypic.com/2r4o6c2.jpg that's the image for the article!!!!!!! GO WRITE! eek |
| 17:30.47 | Ackis | HG == mercuratal or w/e you spell it |
| 17:31.01 | Lopeppeppy | mercurial? |
| 17:31.06 | industrial | yes. |
| 17:31.07 | Ackis | yah that |
| 17:31.20 | industrial | I want to do some complete application sometime in python but I don't know what ... |
| 17:31.44 | industrial | I should just use it for school but we're forced to use Java mostly :\ |
| 17:32.05 | industrial | A friend of mine is giving a class on python this year though |
| 17:32.48 | Adys | industrial: write a wow db |
| 17:33.34 | industrial | for the desktop? |
| 17:34.14 | industrial | hmm :p |
| 17:34.29 | Ackis | http://www.xbox.com/ffxiii <-- free chocobo avatar item for xbox live |
| 17:34.59 | olafski | haha |
| 17:34.59 | olafski | a chocobo :( |
| 17:35.25 | olafski | and not available in my region of course |
| 17:35.43 | Ackis | olafski: http://bit.ly/4X5WC3 work? |
| 17:35.57 | Fisker | hey Ackis |
| 17:36.02 | olafski | that's the same page |
| 17:36.06 | Fisker | fu u |
| 17:36.09 | zenzelezz | so first my government preaches "clean" fuel, help start a bio-diesel production plant, and then they go and add so many/high fees on it it becomes more expensive than regular diesel. Score! |
| 17:36.14 | Ackis | olafski: one is en-US one is en-GB |
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| 17:36.35 | Fisker | duh zenzelezz |
| 17:36.49 | Kraps | zenzelezz: sounds like all of them |
| 17:36.53 | Fisker | Our government: "Take the bus or the train" |
| 17:36.53 | olafski | oh |
| 17:37.04 | industrial | Fisker: want a wave account? I have an invite for you. |
| 17:37.06 | olafski | doesn't work either ackis :( |
| 17:37.08 | industrial | >:3 |
| 17:37.11 | Fisker | Then: "Hey lets make it more expensive to take the bus or train" |
| 17:37.18 | Fisker | no thanks industrial |
| 17:37.23 | industrial | xD |
| 17:37.24 | Fisker | do you want one? |
| 17:37.32 | industrial | no. I have one. |
| 17:37.37 | zenzelezz | Fisker: that's probably because you don't understand each other |
| 17:38.08 | Fisker | true zenzelezz |
| 17:38.49 | Kraps | what would a guy like me use wave for? |
| 17:39.04 | olafski | nothing |
| 17:39.13 | Kraps | yeah... |
| 17:39.27 | Fisker | i see "stfu and gtfo ho" isn't an offensive name apparently :o |
| 17:39.27 | olafski | since I don't know you I assumed you're like me ;) |
| 17:39.39 | Kraps | lol |
| 17:40.18 | olafski | I've looked over the wikipage about Wave at least 4 times |
| 17:40.24 | olafski | and still don't see why I would use it ;) |
| 17:40.31 | olafski | if you're someone else than me perhaps you should try it though |
| 17:43.14 | cogwheel | olafski: imo they're doing it wrong, and your reaction is a testament to that. They're trying to sell the whole package as something new, when really they need to be concentrating on what makes it better than what we currently have |
| 17:43.29 | olafski | probably yeah :) |
| 17:43.42 | olafski | when I read their own introduction I had no f'ing clue what it even was |
| 17:43.44 | Kraps | cogwheel: so what current thing is it like |
| 17:43.58 | olafski | from wikipedia I only gather that it mashes a couple of things I already have together |
| 17:45.01 | Audible | zenzelezz : you sound norwegian :) |
| 17:45.05 | zenzelezz | I am |
| 17:45.11 | Audible | me too |
| 17:45.22 | cogwheel | the biggest benefit imo is the "conversation model." This is the part of it that I hope will be the e-mail killer. The idea that the conversation is the central component of the communication rather than the message. |
| 17:46.02 | cogwheel | gmail tried to do that to some extent (and to great success), but the underlying e-mail system makes it pretty clunky |
| 17:46.24 | zenzelezz | I can imagine when Wave goes live/public. "Now you can see the spammers typing our your penis enlargment conversations in real time!" |
| 17:46.31 | zenzelezz | *out |
| 17:46.59 | durcyn | it needs to bridge email and IM into wave initially, or it'll fail |
| 17:47.04 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 17:47.23 | cogwheel | the biggest boost wave will get is once the protocols are finalized and people start writing their own implementations |
| 17:47.49 | cogwheel | if thunderbird etc. started natively supporting wave alongside e-mail, well that would just be pure win |
| 17:48.19 | zenzelezz | watched a coworker try Chrome OS in a VM at work today... I was not impressed |
| 17:48.41 | durcyn | there's not much to be impressed by yet |
| 17:49.51 | Lunessa | Chrome OS - Browser as OS. Neither New nor Innovative. |
| 17:50.17 | zenzelezz | nor very interesting, but the media are going "zomg!" about it |
| 17:50.21 | durcyn | progress can be incremental and still be meaningful, Lunessa |
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| 17:50.26 | zenzelezz | probably just because it's "Google" |
| 17:50.29 | cogwheel | points at WoW |
| 17:50.32 | durcyn | and you're missing the significance |
| 17:50.53 | durcyn | chrome os isn't interesting because it's just a browser, it's interesting because it signifies an evolution in the design of the devices it'll run on |
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| 17:50.59 | Lunessa | durcyn: Sure. The point I'm making is that we argued this stuff in 1994. And it's a reversal of the whole personal computer vs server model. |
| 17:51.16 | durcyn | netbooks with wimax, etc |
| 17:51.20 | Lunessa | I don't want ALL my shit in the Cloud. |
| 17:51.30 | durcyn | then don't use chrome ;) |
| 17:51.35 | cogwheel | i wish i could shit clouds |
| 17:51.46 | cogwheel | shit sucks |
| 17:51.51 | Lunessa | I especially don't want all my shit in the cloud and controlled by Google. |
| 17:52.08 | durcyn | doing it first doesn't mean they'll be the only ones to do it |
| 17:52.45 | Lunessa | I know this. I don't want my "personal computer" to really only be "my gateway to someone's cloud" |
| 17:53.00 | durcyn | think about why, though |
| 17:53.16 | durcyn | is it because you don't trust third party storage, or because connectivity has been heretofore unreliable? |
| 17:53.24 | cogwheel | it's not like you'll only be able to use google's apps on chrome os... |
| 17:53.34 | durcyn | it's much easier to break into my house and steal a disk than it is to break into a google datacenter, i'd wager |
| 17:53.38 | cogwheel | ~lart youtube |
| 17:53.38 | purl | forces youtube to use Outlook Express |
| 17:54.04 | durcyn | and if i'm going to have a netbook, i'd rather that if it did become lost or stolen, my sensitive data wouldn't be on its local storage |
| 17:54.14 | zenzelezz | I don't like the idea behind Chrome OS (or other web-based OSes) because I find them to sound much too limiting |
| 17:54.32 | Kraps | pizza at work forthewin |
| 17:54.33 | zenzelezz | they may be useful for some people and in some cases, but to me they'll never be a replacement for the old style OS |
| 17:54.37 | durcyn | limiting in what regard? assume the existence of always-on wireless |
| 17:55.01 | zenzelezz | limiting in what you can do with them |
| 17:55.02 | durcyn | why does it have to replace anything? there's room for both |
| 17:55.09 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 17:55.11 | zenzelezz | I already have a browser |
| 17:55.19 | durcyn | and i already have a netbook |
| 17:55.21 | durcyn | hint: it sucks |
| 17:55.23 | cogwheel | and i have a droid |
| 17:56.04 | nevcairiel | arent they planning merge chrome OS and android anyway |
| 17:56.09 | nevcairiel | to merge* |
| 17:56.41 | durcyn | i doubt it, merging ARM and x86 codebases and disparate UIs seems silly |
| 17:56.54 | Lunessa | Sorry - work call. |
| 17:57.35 | nevcairiel | I would imagine Chrome OS was setup to run on both x86 and ARM systems anyway |
| 17:57.48 | Lunessa | durcyn: There are things I want "in the cloud" and there are things I don't want in the cloud. |
| 17:58.15 | Lunessa | I just don't want my OS to decide that ALL my things should just naturally live in the cloud. |
| 17:59.04 | cogwheel | that's why it's not meant to replace your desktop. that's not its niche |
| 17:59.07 | durcyn | i still say the cloud's safer than local magnetic disk |
| 17:59.26 | Lunessa | Also, connectivity is not ubiquitous. If all my data is in the cloud and my OS depends on connectivity - how do I work with stuff when I have none? My OS needs to manage non-cloud resources. |
| 17:59.34 | durcyn | it may not be appropriate for every usage model |
| 17:59.35 | cogwheel | Lunessa: lern2html5 |
| 17:59.53 | durcyn | but for the initial target market, it absolutely is preferable for a nontrivial portion of the user base |
| 17:59.53 | cogwheel | (which includes local storage for offline work) |
| 17:59.59 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Already can, thx. |
| 18:00.21 | cogwheel | s/includes/will likely include/ |
| 18:01.06 | Lunessa | Oh and even though they make cool stuff, Google is rapidly approaching what I like to all the AT&T Limit. |
| 18:01.32 | zenzelezz | this is entirely personal opinion, but I see web-OSes as an attempt to solve a problem I don't have |
| 18:01.54 | cogwheel | which, by definition, means you're not their intended audience ;) |
| 18:02.16 | cogwheel | can't get the damn fish heads out of his head |
| 18:02.33 | nevcairiel | Android on a phone is fine, and Chrome OS on a netbook may be as well, once apps are more wide spread and all that |
| 18:02.34 | Fisker | slaps cogwheel around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:02.38 | Vangual | or you are their intended audience in the way of attempting to build a business model and make money off you at a later stage |
| 18:02.38 | zenzelezz | and that was merely my point all along. I don't object to the OS; I can see it being a great thing for several of my family |
| 18:05.17 | nevcairiel | on that note, the droid/milestone is an awesome phone |
| 18:05.25 | nevcairiel | i just wish they would unlock the navigation for europe :P |
| 18:05.54 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: Probably licensing/sourcing issues. :P |
| 18:06.43 | nevcairiel | i believe in googles power to just throw more money at it, and solve it sometime |
| 18:07.38 | Vangual | they need to prepare themselves for the lawsuits when another german pensioner decides to 180 his car in the middle of a highway because the navi told him to ;) |
| 18:08.11 | nevcairiel | german courts arent US courts |
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| 18:08.20 | nevcairiel | i bet in the US that guy would win |
| 18:08.45 | Vangual | kinda made me chuckle when i saw that in the news :) |
| 18:08.52 | Lunessa | Missed your exit. Rerouting. Rerouting. Rerouting. Rerouting. Rerouting. *smashes navi with hammer* |
| 18:09.32 | nevcairiel | that demo navigation that came with my phone was actually quite fast at rerouting, faster then other systems i used |
| 18:09.33 | nevcairiel | which is nice in those situations |
| 18:09.33 | Fisker | slaps nevcairiel around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:09.35 | Fisker | slaps Lunessa around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:09.37 | Fisker | sorry nevcairiel |
| 18:09.43 | nevcairiel | wonder how fast the google thing is |
| 18:09.51 | nevcairiel | does it route itself or just ask google to do it? |
| 18:10.00 | durcyn | "As president, I believe that robotics can inspire young people to pursue science and engineering. And I also want to keep an eye on those robots in case they try anything." |
| 18:10.01 | nevcairiel | hm probably ask google |
| 18:10.06 | Vangual | it's a thinclient afaik? |
| 18:10.26 | nevcairiel | kinda fail if your cell service dies on the road |
| 18:10.26 | Vangual | even voice commands are uploaded prior to being parsed |
| 18:10.41 | nevcairiel | but hey its free |
| 18:11.24 | Vangual | would hope it pre-caches the current route at the very least |
| 18:11.40 | nevcairiel | if you dont deviate =P |
| 18:13.25 | Lunessa | Yeah, even the best client server apps aren't going to recalculate quickly enough for split-second decisions at 80MPH. |
| 18:13.55 | NightHawkTheSane | there shouldn't be any "split second decisions" at that speed unles something has gone very VERY wrong. |
| 18:14.08 | Vangual | well theoretically you could cache a fairly wide cone ahead and catch at least early parts of deviations |
| 18:14.19 | nevcairiel | seriously, if you miss your exit, just be calm about it |
| 18:14.54 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: You've never driven in Los Angeles or Boston. |
| 18:15.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: those really shouldn't be held up as models of what "should" be done :P |
| 18:15.25 | cogwheel | yeah, it can be 20 minutes to the next exit, half a mile away |
| 18:16.05 | Lopeppeppy | GPS causes more accidents in Boston than you can imagine. |
| 18:16.18 | Lopeppeppy | They freakin' go right where it tells them to, without LOOKING where they're driving. |
| 18:16.27 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: naturally. Or the Louisiana causeway - miss an exit drive 45 miles before you can turn around. |
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| 18:16.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: pfft, that's all of hte fucking midwest. |
| 18:16.55 | Lunessa | Boston is insane. The place was never laid out for anything other than strollin. |
| 18:16.58 | Lunessa | strolling. |
| 18:17.11 | Lopeppeppy | Or watching ducks walk by. |
| 18:17.23 | Lunessa | NHTS: I've driven a lot of places, most of the midwest isn't that bad. |
| 18:17.26 | Lopeppeppy | *mutter mutter drunken cows mutter* |
| 18:18.09 | Fisker | cries |
| 18:18.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: *shrug* being mostly from new york state and recently western washington.. >20 miles between exits is a bit absurd for me, but apparently not uncommon in the (at least northern) midwest |
| 18:18.18 | Lopeppeppy | ~comfort Fisker |
| 18:18.18 | purl | There, there, Fisker. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 18:18.35 | Lunessa | NHTS - You guys have crappy roads. :P |
| 18:18.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: NYS i assume? yeah, kinda. |
| 18:19.16 | Lopeppeppy | New York State kicks ass. |
| 18:19.18 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 18:19.42 | NightHawkTheSane | agrees with peppy |
| 18:19.47 | NightHawkTheSane | i almost miss it. |
| 18:19.49 | Lunessa | No feeder/frontage roads, no easy places to turn around. Say what you will about Texas but most of our freeways don't suck. :P |
| 18:19.56 | Lopeppeppy | I did miss it, NHTS, that's why I moved back. |
| 18:20.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: i dont miss it that much. i like seattle more :) |
| 18:20.13 | Lopeppeppy | You keep your stinky westcoast. |
| 18:20.18 | NightHawkTheSane | i will! |
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| 18:21.05 | Lunessa | I liked Seattle in the 80s. I haven't been since. |
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| 18:21.32 | Lopeppeppy | I've never been. |
| 18:21.51 | Lopeppeppy | I was in CA once, for Blizzcon 2 years ago. I went to a few places, um... wherever my nice gnomish host drove me to! |
| 18:21.53 | Lunessa | And I'm out of here. Haven an excellent holiday for those with one this weekend. |
| 18:22.23 | Lopeppeppy | bye bye! |
| 18:34.13 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis! http://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/cute-puppy-pictures-pretty-litez.jpg |
| 18:34.24 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: hehe already saw that one :D |
| 18:34.27 | Ackis | CUTE :D |
| 18:34.39 | Ackis | Pom's have such expressive faces |
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| 18:38.44 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
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| 18:46.28 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> i really miss safari's "top sites" page when i'm not on my mac. |
| 18:48.18 | KarlKFI|work | visual bookmarks |
| 18:48.30 | KarlKFI|work | i'm sure there are equivelents |
| 18:48.41 | KarlKFI|work | tho it is nice that it does it automatically |
| 18:57.01 | NightHawkTheSane | well, i mostly miss it automatically populating based on what i actually visit |
| 18:59.03 | Seerah | NHTS: don't Chrome and Opera have that feature? |
| 18:59.53 | Dagmar | Chrome kinda just builds you a list of site thumbnails on it's own |
| 19:00.13 | nevcairiel | also, isnt there safari on other platforms as well? |
| 19:01.29 | NightHawkTheSane | not on linux, afaik? |
| 19:01.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Seerah: *shrug* i haven't used either, i could probably look into them |
| 19:03.15 | KarlKFI|work | could try safari in wine lol |
| 19:03.52 | Seerah | NHTS: I think Opera was first to have something like that (though Safari could have been - I don't right remember, I guess...) Opera calls it speed dial: http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2007/04/opera-releases-9-2-browser-adds-speed-dial.ars |
| 19:04.02 | Seerah | there are also FF addons to add that, iirc |
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| 19:06.53 | Seerah | NHTS: here's an image of Chrome's: http://www.flickr.com/photos/martinkelley-com/2821963673/ this actually does populate based on where you go, and doesn't need to be assigned |
| 19:07.32 | Dagmar | Yeah, CuteOverload kinda sticks out like a sore thumb on mine |
| 19:07.37 | KarlKFI|work | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4810 |
| 19:09.34 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, neat |
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| 19:50.28 | Lopeppeppy | Sleepy Peppy is sleepy! |
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| 19:52.55 | Sylvir | p.q |
| 19:53.27 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: you need to speak to obvious captain obvious in the department of redundancy department |
| 19:54.25 | Sylvir | Gais. I iz working on mah borderlands interface finally |
| 19:55.49 | olafski | borderlands has UI mods too? :o |
| 19:55.55 | Sylvir | No. |
| 19:55.59 | olafski | mkay |
| 19:56.01 | Sylvir | Im turning WoW into Borderlands o.o |
| 19:56.08 | olafski | ummkay |
| 19:56.11 | olafski | can we see? :P |
| 19:56.20 | Sylvir | give me a bit |
| 19:56.27 | Sylvir | im just working on the unit frames atm |
| 19:56.29 | olafski | sure thing :) |
| 19:59.32 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/11/25/funny-pictures-see-da-cute-now/ |
| 19:59.52 | Sylvir | is shared media created default by blizzard or is it it's own addon? |
| 20:00.55 | Sylvir | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/03/23/funny-pictures-undrkuked-and-angry/ |
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| 20:12.42 | Sylvir | wellthen. |
| 20:12.50 | Sylvir | I is hasing troubles. |
| 20:13.10 | Sylvir | I cant add the angeled bar backgrounds to the Stuf Media Files |
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| 20:13.17 | Sylvir | I put it in the libs n everythin' |
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| 20:13.30 | Yssaril | Sylvir: shared media is not a default (though it registers some of the default blizzard fonts/borders/textures/sounds) |
| 20:14.04 | Sylvir | Yeah but I should be able to throw the file into the Media Folder of Stuf right? |
| 20:14.28 | Yssaril | you have to register it with Shared media though |
| 20:14.45 | Yssaril | easiest way is to get the standalone version and then follow the instructions on the website |
| 20:15.00 | Sylvir | mkay. What site has it, because WowUI doesn't |
| 20:15.35 | Yssaril | http://www.wowace.com/addons/libsharedmedia-3-0/ |
| 20:15.51 | Yssaril | actually the instructions are in the zip let me check |
| 20:16.06 | Sylvir | this is alot of work o.o |
| 20:16.09 | Sylvir | XD |
| 20:17.02 | Adys | who wants google wave invites? |
| 20:17.09 | Yssaril | Sylvir: actually get http://www.wowace.com/addons/sharedmedia/ makes it easier :) |
| 20:17.29 | Sylvir | alrighty |
| 20:17.51 | Yssaril | instructions are in the zip for sharedmedia (the second link) |
| 20:19.56 | Sylvir | I think this is failing |
| 20:21.01 | Sylvir | I tried to do the instruction thing, but it wont let the .bat file execute? |
| 20:21.26 | Yssaril | did you rename the bat file? |
| 20:21.46 | Sylvir | it says rename it FROM .txt |
| 20:21.51 | Yssaril | when you download it it comes as .bat.txt so you have to remove the .txrt |
| 20:21.55 | Sylvir | 1. rename MyMedia.bat.txt to MyMedia.bat (make sure to have Windows set to show all file extentions) |
| 20:21.56 | Sylvir | oh |
| 20:21.58 | Sylvir | i didnt see txrt |
| 20:22.06 | Yssaril | txt sry :P |
| 20:22.09 | Sylvir | yeah |
| 20:22.13 | Sylvir | it just says .bat |
| 20:22.27 | Yssaril | comand prompt comes up when you click on it? |
| 20:22.34 | Sylvir | nopey |
| 20:22.39 | Sylvir | just it's text file |
| 20:22.56 | Sylvir | MyMedia.bat |
| 20:23.00 | Sylvir | copy pasted |
| 20:23.02 | Sylvir | right from what it says. |
| 20:23.19 | Yssaril | did it ever warn you that you where changing the file type? |
| 20:23.23 | Sylvir | nicht |
| 20:23.27 | Sylvir | err |
| 20:23.28 | Sylvir | nein |
| 20:23.35 | Yssaril | then its still a txt file |
| 20:23.42 | Sylvir | ya |
| 20:23.49 | Yssaril | you are using windows right? |
| 20:24.26 | Sylvir | Si |
| 20:24.34 | Yssaril | also how are you renaming it? you should be doing it by rightclicking the file and then choosing rename from the menu |
| 20:24.55 | Sylvir | yep |
| 20:25.58 | Sylvir | this is...annoying |
| 20:26.00 | Yssaril | when you rightclick is there a open and an edit button you can select? |
| 20:26.37 | Sylvir | yep |
| 20:26.40 | Sylvir | no |
| 20:26.41 | Sylvir | wait |
| 20:26.50 | Sylvir | yes |
| 20:26.55 | Yssaril | then idk |
| 20:26.56 | Sylvir | its named .bat but its still a txt file |
| 20:26.59 | Sylvir | i went into properties |
| 20:27.02 | Sylvir | this is pissing me off |
| 20:27.56 | Sylvir | WINNAGE! |
| 20:28.10 | Sylvir | :D |
| 20:28.16 | Sylvir | capitalize .BAT |
| 20:28.19 | Sylvir | Failfailfail |
| 20:28.27 | Sylvir | I swear to god thats the only thing i changed, and it worked. |
| 20:28.47 | Yssaril | lol |
| 20:29.31 | Sylvir | 1-800-CaseSensitiveFailure |
| 20:30.02 | Adys | "an user" or |
| 20:30.04 | Adys | "a user"? |
| 20:30.18 | Sylvir | A |
| 20:30.20 | Kraps | an car |
| 20:30.49 | Adys | google wave wins |
| 20:30.57 | Sylvir | whats a google wave? |
| 20:31.18 | Kraps | what is AN google wave |
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| 20:31.31 | Sylvir | an doesn't come before consinents -_- |
| 20:31.36 | Yssaril | Sylvir: its the thing google does when you try out bing :P |
| 20:32.29 | Kraps | Sylvir: sez u |
| 20:33.13 | Dagmar | No, that's the Google LOL |
| 20:39.04 | Sylvir | p/p |
| 20:40.39 | Cide- | o hai |
| 20:40.50 | Sylvir | alrighty |
| 20:41.14 | Sylvir | dont mind the action bars... |
| 20:41.17 | Sylvir | or the target frame |
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| 20:41.21 | Sylvir | this is just to preview the bars |
| 20:41.33 | Sylvir | http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/iSylvir/WoWScrnShot_112509_143849.jpg |
| 20:41.54 | Sylvir | hm |
| 20:42.37 | Thunder_Child | this is like listeing to a bunch of lolcats trying to have an Intellectual discussion and failing |
| 20:42.47 | Sylvir | ? |
| 20:42.51 | Sylvir | kk? |
| 20:42.58 | Thunder_Child | the conversation that was going on in here |
| 20:43.07 | Sylvir | oh the gramatical fails? |
| 20:43.19 | Thunder_Child | and a few other things |
| 20:43.23 | Sylvir | XD |
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| 20:52.55 | Kraps | the atmosphere in the office here is kinda giddy |
| 20:55.24 | Sylvir | Hm... |
| 20:55.38 | Sylvir | whats a customizeable xp bar addon? |
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| 21:01.11 | NeoTron | an addon that allows you to customize the xp bar. |
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| 21:04.32 | Sylvir | http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/iSylvir/WoWScrnShot_112509_145859.jpg |
| 21:04.49 | Lopeppeppy | hai 2 U! |
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| 21:05.04 | Ackis | hai puppy! |
| 21:05.07 | Ackis | cherries you say? |
| 21:05.09 | Ackis | om nom nom nom |
| 21:05.23 | Sylvir | o..o |
| 21:08.16 | Lopeppeppy | No, these cherries are not yummy. They taste like wood. I spits them back out. |
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| 21:08.31 | Thunder_Child | you are not supposed to eat the seeds.... |
| 21:08.55 | Lopeppeppy | No duh, sherlock, or the stems, and I don't. Which is why when the rest taste like cardboardy wood stuff, they're nasty and I throw them away. |
| 21:09.10 | Lopeppeppy | I thought they'd be awesome in a glaze for the ham. I was made of fail. |
| 21:09.38 | Thunder_Child | they might tatse fin when cooked you know, no need to throw them out till you try |
| 21:09.44 | Thunder_Child | fine* |
| 21:10.02 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, I dunno. I'm not going to take the chance of ruining my 15 pound ham with nasty cherry sauce. |
| 21:10.16 | NightHawkTheSane | use cranberries, imo. |
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| 21:12.29 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, i mean cook the cherry's on the side then taste |
| 21:12.52 | Lopeppeppy | I don't have cranberries, NHTS. |
| 21:13.20 | Lopeppeppy | I have black cherry preserves, I was going to add more water and sugar and some of the fresh cherries. I'll just go with less water and sugar and no fresh cherries, all set. |
| 21:13.36 | Lopeppeppy | It's only for me and the cats, not impressing anyone with my mastery of kitchen substitutions. |
| 21:14.02 | Thunder_Child | you are cooking for your cats? |
| 21:17.00 | NightHawkTheSane | ~comfort Lopeppeppy |
| 21:17.01 | purl | There, there, Lopeppeppy. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 21:18.18 | Lopeppeppy | Myself and the cats, yes. |
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| 21:19.46 | mikma | nom, cherries |
| 21:23.05 | Ackis | http://www.warcraftpets.com/news/perma.asp?n=figurepets_onyxian_whelpling |
| 21:25.09 | ShirikL | why am I shirikL |
| 21:25.16 | Thunder_Child | Torhal, does collectinator only work with the deafult map? |
| 21:25.16 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 21:25.37 | Ackis | yes it does |
| 21:25.41 | Ackis | and mapster |
| 21:25.43 | Shirik | Ackis |
| 21:25.47 | Ackis | and that one ckk wrote |
| 21:25.52 | Shirik | you ruined my intangible and flawless name |
| 21:25.53 | Ackis | cartogrpaher? |
| 21:25.59 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Ackis |
| 21:25.59 | purl | gives Ackis an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending Ackis to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
| 21:25.59 | Ackis | how? |
| 21:26.14 | Ackis | man I would love to sleep for 150 years |
| 21:26.14 | Shirik | you did |
| 21:26.17 | Shirik | you turned me into ShirikL |
| 21:26.38 | Hirsute | Yssaril: That latest version of mounted did solve the problem with my toon who can't fly and mount macros in flyable areas. |
| 21:26.42 | Ackis | yes it was my plan! |
| 21:26.45 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: It works with anything TomTom works with. |
| 21:27.09 | Torhal | Ackis: Don't make me get the spray gun again. |
| 21:27.14 | Ackis | :P |
| 21:27.18 | Ackis | I already answered him! |
| 21:27.33 | Thunder_Child | Torhal, you forgot to update the version in the collectinator window |
| 21:27.33 | Torhal | I know! It was madness! |
| 21:27.45 | Ackis | bad Torhal! BAD! |
| 21:27.46 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: Yah - I was a bit rushed :) |
| 21:27.57 | Thunder_Child | i know, i was listening |
| 21:28.00 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 21:28.04 | Thunder_Child | to you and Seerah|away |
| 21:28.45 | Yssaril | Hirsute: woot thanks for checking |
| 21:28.47 | Ackis | good thing I wasn't around! :P |
| 21:28.54 | Ackis | thinks he was at the hospital |
| 21:29.05 | Hirsute | Sorry it took me so long to let you know! |
| 21:29.09 | Torhal | You're a sponge-bath addict. |
| 21:29.25 | Ackis | totally! |
| 21:30.06 | Thunder_Child | Torhal, when you use the location sort option, it's sort location by what? |
| 21:30.30 | Thunder_Child | i thought it was going to have each zone and the things you can find in it. but alas no |
| 21:31.34 | Ackis | it sorts them by where you get the first acquire item for them |
| 21:31.45 | Ackis | which zone it's from that is |
| 21:31.54 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: Location sort is icky. I didn't make it, but I did fix it to actually work. When pets/mounts are added to the lookup table, a set of "locations" are added which are zones where trainers/vendors/etc are. |
| 21:31.57 | Thunder_Child | i thought it would have nifty headings though...and it doesnt |
| 21:32.06 | Torhal | Unfortunately, the location sort only uses the first zone in its list |
| 21:32.20 | Torhal | And all it does is sort the list alphabetically by zone name |
| 21:32.27 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: aye I never added in "new" headings for it ever |
| 21:32.29 | Torhal | I don't use it. |
| 21:32.44 | Ackis | nor me :P |
| 21:32.56 | Torhal | It's low on my fix-this-shit list. |
| 21:33.08 | Thunder_Child | ~glare Torhal |
| 21:33.08 | purl | ACTION glares at Torhal |
| 21:33.16 | Ackis | he's busy OCDing on other stuff first :P |
| 21:33.21 | Torhal | When I was making it actually work I noticed it only used one zone name instead fo all of them and thought "Why is this even in the code?" |
| 21:33.32 | Torhal | ~lart Ackis |
| 21:33.32 | purl | raises middle finger to Ackis |
| 21:33.36 | Torhal | BWAH! |
| 21:33.55 | Ackis | grrr |
| 21:36.45 | theorbtwo | sends ZorbaTHut some data. |
| 21:37.29 | Lopeppeppy | rawr |
| 21:37.33 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 21:37.54 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Gryphon |
| 21:37.57 | Gryphon | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 21:40.32 | Ackis | http://www.pawnation.com/2009/11/25/cat-earns-soccer-goalie-a-penalty/ Lopeppeppy read! |
| 21:41.20 | Lopeppeppy | Kitty! |
| 21:42.42 | mitch0 | shirik: ping |
| 21:42.55 | Shirik | mitch0: pong |
| 21:42.56 | ZorbaTHut | yay data |
| 21:43.16 | mitch0 | shirik: dod you prove that thing from yesterday? |
| 21:43.24 | Shirik | Cide- did |
| 21:43.30 | mitch0 | the x^n-y^n = k * (x-y) |
| 21:43.32 | mitch0 | ah, ok |
| 21:44.11 | mitch0 | think I did it too before falling asleep but I didn't have paper around :) |
| 21:44.53 | mitch0 | shirik: was it proof by induction? (if that's the english term for it) |
| 21:45.05 | mitch0 | like, "assume it works for n, let's see what happens with n+1" |
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| 21:46.55 | Shirik | yes |
| 21:49.18 | theorbtwo | ZorbaTHut: Are you going to be pushing out a thanksgiving edition soon? |
| 21:50.27 | ZorbaTHut | I did a data build yesterday (in beta form), but there's sorta not all that much I can do to help with the thanksgiving quests |
| 21:51.31 | theorbtwo | Huh, really? The achivements are quite location-based, and many of the quests have turn-ins that aren't next to the pick-ups. |
| 21:51.37 | mitch0 | zorba: did you finish your "rare-boss-proximity" thing? |
| 21:52.05 | ZorbaTHut | there's a single chain of quests that leads you all over the place, and the achievements are either "go to this major city" or "go kill ikiss" |
| 21:52.26 | ZorbaTHut | I dunno, I feel like neither of those are real routing issues - anyone who wants to get the achievements done soon is just going to go and do 'em :) |
| 21:52.39 | ZorbaTHut | mitch, yup, "/qh radar". I may split it out of QH at some point soon |
| 21:52.41 | Lopeppeppy | Wow, product placement in Fringe. |
| 21:53.14 | mitch0 | zorba: did you use librangecheck? or went some other route? |
| 21:53.45 | ZorbaTHut | yup, librangecheck |
| 21:53.48 | ZorbaTHut | works pretty well :) |
| 21:53.56 | bleeter | Town under siege: 6,000 camels to be shot http://is.gd/53Fny |
| 21:54.05 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: When did it air? |
| 21:54.13 | Torhal | Dagmar: Thursday |
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| 21:54.20 | mitch0 | zorba: kk, good to hear :) |
| 21:54.38 | Dagmar | Torhal: Oh, so "not yet" then |
| 21:54.47 | Dagmar | The network carrying it here are being asses |
| 21:55.05 | Torhal | Unelss she's talking about last episode, which I didn't notice placements in but that could have just been me |
| 21:55.44 | Lopeppeppy | I'm watching it on Hulu. And if you didn't see the **blatant** Ford/Sirius product placement in the car ride, you're blind. |
| 21:56.17 | Dagmar | I dont' generally notice unless they're as obvious as they are in Heroes |
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| 21:56.55 | Dagmar | I am however geting a little pissed off with the network not announcing they're going to air the damn thing until the last minute |
| 21:56.58 | Lopeppeppy | Wow, this was pretty blatant, showed her using the steering wheel controls and voice dial features, touch screen, etc. |
| 21:57.11 | Dagmar | Claire has toys |
| 21:57.16 | Seerah|away | bleeter: "Helicopters will herd the camels 15 kilometres outside the community where they will be shot and left to decay." /tear |
| 21:57.44 | Lopeppeppy | I can understand having to cull them. But leaving them to decay only causes other public health concerns, hello. |
| 21:57.44 | bleeter | Seerah|away: yeah I guess we can't export them back to the middle east anymore |
| 21:58.05 | Seerah|away | not saying anything against controlling the camel population... just the how |
| 21:58.16 | Dagmar | tehre's also the small matter of while Claire is pretty much unkillable, she's still not stupid enough to juggle a cell phone and drive at the same time |
| 21:58.19 | Cide- | mitch0: the proof is simply |
| 21:58.22 | Cide- | simple* |
| 21:58.54 | Cide- | prove that x^n - y^n is divisible by (x-y) for all n >= 1 |
| 21:59.13 | Cide- | base case: x^1 - y^1 = (x-y) which is trivially divisible by x-y |
| 22:00.06 | Lopeppeppy | No! |
| 22:00.08 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: I probably intentionally blocked that out, since I distinctly remember the close-up of the steering wheel to show her press those buttons. |
| 22:00.27 | Dagmar | Yeah so, just sos you'll know.. In tomorrows evening news there'll be a story about a network technician being beaten to death by a co-worker |
| 22:00.31 | Ackis | anyone here try any of those e-book reader things? |
| 22:00.32 | Dagmar | He deserved it. |
| 22:00.43 | Cide- | inductive step: since x^n - y^n is divisible by (x-y) we can write (x^n - y^n) (mod (x-y)) = 0, and so x^n (mod (x-y)) = y^n (mod (x-y)) = r. in other words, x^n = k(x-y)+r and y^n = m(x-y)+r for some integer k and m |
| 22:00.44 | Dagmar | Someone decided it would be a good idea to hide an annoy-a-tron in the office. |
| 22:00.47 | cbreak | I read E-Books (mangas) on my laptop. |
| 22:00.53 | theorbtwo | ZorbaTHut: Is a fair point. |
| 22:01.17 | bleeter | Seerah|away, Lopeppeppy: The how is a bit tricky, tbh. The 'state' is twice the size of Texas, population of about 200,000. |
| 22:01.23 | Torhal | Dagmar: Heroes past season two is so full of plot holes it's amazing. Before then, everything was so tidy. |
| 22:02.46 | Ackis | is wondering about the Kindle from Amazon. |
| 22:02.57 | mitch0 | cide: my process was a bit different, but this sounds more "exact" :) |
| 22:03.01 | Cide- | mitch0: thus x^(n+1) - y^(n+1) = xx^n - yy^n = x(k(x-y) + r) - y(m(x-y) + r) = (x-y)(xk-ym) + (x-y)r |
| 22:03.13 | cbreak | the "if-you-read-orwel-books-we-steal-them" kindle? |
| 22:03.17 | Lopeppeppy | what's to wonder, Ackis? |
| 22:03.19 | Cide- | mitch0: trivially, (x-y) divides this and QED |
| 22:03.27 | Arrowmaster | they nerfed petters power but he still keeps touching sylar so he should have the empath ability again but he doesnt, theres the biggest plot hole |
| 22:03.31 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: how useful is it, etc |
| 22:03.36 | Dagmar | cbreak: I'd like to know why no one sued them for that. |
| 22:03.38 | cbreak | the "if-we-ban-you-you-lose-all-your-books" kindle? :) |
| 22:03.50 | Dagmar | cbreak: They definitely engaged in theft as they had no right to remove that from people's Kindle's |
| 22:03.50 | Ackis | cbreak: that also |
| 22:03.50 | cbreak | they returned more than the books were worth in $ |
| 22:04.02 | cbreak | so most people were probably ok |
| 22:04.05 | theorbtwo | Torhal: I think what happened is that they worked out season 1 quite well in advance. Season 2, they only had a few months to start writing before they started airing... and then for a while, there was no writing done at all, because of the strike, and the producers tried playing it by ear, so they ended up having not yet written things that had already aired, and haven't been able to work themselves out of the hole yet. |
| 22:04.07 | Lopeppeppy | I have a girlfriend who likes hers, but honestly, I find it awkward to read with. |
| 22:04.14 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: The Petrelli's father being DEAD is a plot hole. And the chick Peter stranded in the alternate future? He pretty much completely forgot about her. |
| 22:04.23 | mitch0 | cide: I "expanded" x^(n+1) - y^(n+1) in a tricky way, but then I had to handle the case where x is odd and y is even (or vice versa) , so it was not as nice as yours ;) |
| 22:04.23 | Dagmar | cbreak: "Refund" doesn't cover it, because a refund is voluntary |
| 22:04.38 | Dagmar | They _took_ something from users, against their will and without their consent. |
| 22:04.47 | theorbtwo | This season is the first time since 1 that we have characters we actually give a damn about -- they kept adding new characters without making us give a fuck what happens to them. |
| 22:05.00 | cbreak | well. you can try to sneak into other people's homes, steal their pillows and replace them with 100$ notes. |
| 22:05.05 | cbreak | maybe they sue you |
| 22:05.08 | cbreak | or they just shot you |
| 22:05.20 | Dagmar | ...but a judge will have no problems prosecuting you for theft |
| 22:05.26 | Torhal | theorbtwo: That's another plot hole - they threw that Maya chick in and made Mohinder fall for her, and now suddenly he has a wife that he's supposedly had all along. |
| 22:05.49 | Dagmar | Torhal: You know untrustworthy those indians are |
| 22:05.49 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: well i completely forgot about any chick he stranded in the future so im guessing almost everybody else has too |
| 22:05.49 | theorbtwo | Wait, what? I missed that, somehow. |
| 22:06.06 | Dagmar | WELCOME TO COMIC BOOK LOGIC. |
| 22:06.10 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: it was the chick from Ireland, when he lost his memory. |
| 22:06.13 | theorbtwo | really liked the future chick, and was sad to see her forgotten. |
| 22:06.20 | Dagmar | Let it slide--it's not a series of bloody documentaries |
| 22:06.32 | krka | yeah, i stopped watching heroes near the middle of season 2 |
| 22:06.35 | theorbtwo | They've done an awful lot of putting things up and seeing what sticks. |
| 22:06.41 | krka | or was it 3... hm |
| 22:06.53 | krka | no wait after a few episodes of season 3 |
| 22:07.00 | Dagmar | There's a dude who can FLY and he's a SENATOR. |
| 22:07.07 | Dagmar | You want to complain about some misplaced bint? |
| 22:07.14 | Arrowmaster | you lie |
| 22:07.15 | Dagmar | Hello... |
| 22:07.31 | theorbtwo | Dagmar: What's wrong with a senator who can fly? |
| 22:07.56 | Dagmar | theorbtow: At least scientists might not get excited about someone in a destroyed timeline simply disappearing |
| 22:08.15 | Dagmar | A human just up and flyin fast enough to leave a contrail however, they're going to have problems with. |
| 22:08.35 | Torhal | Dagmar: Ok, but what about the fact that Peter/Nathan's father took Adam's power, which was healing/invincibility, and was somehow KILLED by a bullet to the head... |
| 22:08.40 | Dagmar | So this complaining about "plot holes" in a high fantasy show is silly |
| 22:08.49 | Torhal | Heh |
| 22:08.56 | Arrowmaster | he didnt take his power, he nullified it |
| 22:09.04 | cbreak | plotholes in heads are deadly to anyone |
| 22:09.06 | theorbtwo | The silly bit is that he got elected, retired like two weeks later, and then got apointed by the governor in a better position... and then, from the point of view of the general public and the government at large, he just dissapears for a while while he's being hunted like a dog... and then shows up again like nothing ever happened. |
| 22:09.34 | Torhal | Like I said - full of plot holes. |
| 22:10.02 | Dagmar | As long as the bullet doens't pass right through, apparently you can kill a regen for good if you get them in the right place in the head |
| 22:10.03 | Lopeppeppy | Oh no, wait, didn't a governor just recently do exactly that with his mistress? :) |
| 22:10.07 | theorbtwo | The weak characterization annoys me more then the plot holes. |
| 22:10.12 | Adys | adys@tishes:~/winetest/drive_c/Program Files/NVIDIA Corporation/NVIDIA Texture Tools 2/bin$ wine lena_std.tga |
| 22:10.12 | Adys | Segmentation fault |
| 22:10.13 | Adys | weak |
| 22:10.40 | theorbtwo | Adys: You're trying to execute an image file, and you're annoyed when it segfaults? |
| 22:10.51 | cbreak | if you want to execute image files |
| 22:10.59 | cbreak | try fonts in the windows kernel |
| 22:11.01 | cbreak | that works better |
| 22:11.04 | Adys | adys@tishes:~/winetest/drive_c/Program Files/NVIDIA Corporation/NVIDIA Texture Tools 2/bin$ wine theorbtwo |
| 22:11.04 | Adys | wine: could not load L"C:\\windows\\system32\\theorbtwo.exe": Module not found |
| 22:11.05 | Adys | weaker |
| 22:11.11 | Dagmar | I like to modprobe mp3 files |
| 22:11.44 | theorbtwo | Try cat /dev/kmem > /dev/dsp |
| 22:12.06 | cbreak | that doesn't sound nice |
| 22:12.25 | Torhal | Speaker explosion? |
| 22:12.37 | Dagmar | It's glitch hop |
| 22:12.42 | Torhal | Hah |
| 22:12.51 | Dagmar | All it needs is a few snares |
| 22:13.34 | Dagmar | ...although I've been told Mouse on Mars gets a few of their samples that way |
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| 22:21.53 | Dagmar | aahhhaha |
| 22:21.58 | Dagmar | I like the new perky pug animation |
| 22:23.32 | zenzelezz | "Powered by Adobe Flash"... they used Flash in Assassin's Creed 2? |
| 22:23.50 | foxlit | Flash UIs are the new rage |
| 22:23.58 | zenzelezz | sad |
| 22:23.59 | ZorbaTHut | http://store.steampowered.com/early-holiday COMBO SALE |
| 22:24.04 | ZorbaTHut | (Osmos is definitely worth $2) |
| 22:24.08 | zenzelezz | I thought it was just Jumpgate |
| 22:24.19 | cog|away | *sigh* did they really have to shut down new signups to gizmo5 while they merge with google? QQ |
| 22:24.34 | Lopeppeppy | Yes... merging is Serious Biznez! |
| 22:24.55 | mitch0 | not if they use git (or so the git folks say :) |
| 22:25.32 | cbreak | mitch0: only with common ancestors |
| 22:25.39 | Lopeppeppy | And pigs |
| 22:27.02 | Thunder_Child | i dont Dagmar >.< |
| 22:28.10 | cbreak | zenzelezz: I've seen windows application installers in flash |
| 22:28.16 | cbreak | not from adobe strangely |
| 22:28.22 | cbreak | (and games written in shockwave) |
| 22:29.26 | foxlit | I think the logic goes "Hey, our designers can already use flash. Let's put flash in a game and not bother with teaching them C/Lua/Whateverelseitis" |
| 22:29.32 | Arrowmaster | kotor online is going to use flash too i think |
| 22:29.44 | foxlit | Morons, though. |
| 22:29.59 | Dagmar | how much advanced coding does it take to say "PRESS X TO NOT DIE" |
| 22:30.02 | foxlit | Flash development tools are $$$. |
| 22:30.09 | Dagmar | Like, seriously... How hard can that possibly be? |
| 22:30.10 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, developer time is $$$$$$ |
| 22:30.26 | ZorbaTHut | if they can get stuff done faster with flash, without harming the rest of the game, it makes a lot of sense |
| 22:30.27 | foxlit | ZorbaTHut: time spent by the UI community >> time spent by the UI designers. |
| 22:30.40 | ZorbaTHut | time spent by the UI community is pretty much zero for the vast majority of games |
| 22:30.41 | foxlit | [Or so it holds for WoW] |
| 22:30.55 | foxlit | If you're not going to allow people to customize their UI, then yeah, whatever floats your boat. |
| 22:31.21 | ZorbaTHut | even in the case of WoW, blizzard has shown many times that the UI community is less important to them than their own development. WoW's community UI support is kind of an afterthought. |
| 22:31.35 | Arrowmaster | my friend that works for bioware (but in tools development for kotor online and not for the ui) 'lots of people already know flash so they dont have to learn something new' referring to the abundance of supposedly funny flash animations out there on sites like newgrounds |
| 22:31.44 | ZorbaTHut | Also, there's no reason why "UI community hours" should be anywhere near as important to any company as "developer hours that we pay money for". |
| 22:31.58 | foxlit | ZorbaTHut: it's actually very simple. |
| 22:32.16 | foxlit | You can save developer hours by pointing at community hours. |
| 22:32.27 | Adys | there is one damn good reason for this |
| 22:32.27 | foxlit | Blizzard can get away with shipping crappy raid frames because there are better community options around. |
| 22:32.31 | Adys | and google understands it perfectly |
| 22:32.47 | Dagmar | Hah |
| 22:32.50 | Adys | coincidentally, google is rich as hell |
| 22:32.50 | Dagmar | You don't know crappy yet |
| 22:32.54 | ZorbaTHut | I disagree with that. You don't want to rely on the community, for one thing, and Blizzard has put a lot of work into duplicating necessary features |
| 22:33.08 | Dagmar | If you want to see "crappy", install Alganon |
| 22:33.35 | Dagmar | Blizz's raid frames are just minimalistic |
| 22:33.43 | cog|away | someone please help me get fish heads and christian side hug out of my head QQ |
| 22:33.51 | ZorbaTHut | on top of that, the number of hours the community has spent to create those frames is enormous compared to the number of hours Blizzard has spent on its improvements. Weighting those anywhere near one-to-one is ridiculous. Ten-to-one, *maybe*. |
| 22:33.55 | foxlit | Blizzard's raid frames are just suboptimal. |
| 22:33.59 | Dagmar | roly-poly fish heads? |
| 22:34.00 | Lopeppeppy | cog, sing with me. |
| 22:34.04 | ZorbaTHut | (alright one-to-ten, whatever) |
| 22:34.09 | Lopeppeppy | "Kum bah ya, my lord, kum bah ya..." |
| 22:34.57 | cogwheel | Someone's pwning, my lord, kum bah yah... |
| 22:35.13 | cogwheel | (that first comma almost didn't make it) |
| 22:35.34 | foxlit | ZorbaTHut: I believe my point is that it's because of that enormous amount of community hours that blizzard can spend a small(er) amount of paid time. |
| 22:35.37 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 22:36.30 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, it's true, but I don't believe that proves in any sense that the user community has to be catered to. Once you make it *possible* you instantly get a certain number of people doing it, no matter how annoying it is |
| 22:36.38 | cbreak | blizzard uses P2P to send out patches. |
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| 22:36.45 | cbreak | they save money where they can |
| 22:36.52 | ZorbaTHut | making it easier doesn't increase the amount of contribution all that much. |
| 22:37.23 | foxlit | Thing is, are people prepared to pay for adobe flash to design a game UI that they'll essentially have to give away for free? |
| 22:37.30 | ZorbaTHut | cbreak, I've often kind of wondered how much that actually saves them. I almost suspect that the only reason they still do it is because, well, the code exists, why get rid of it |
| 22:37.50 | ZorbaTHut | foxlit, if by "pay for" you mean "pirate", yes, absolutely. ;) |
| 22:37.59 | cbreak | I think for people who use a lot of bandwidth, bandwidth is expensive |
| 22:38.30 | foxlit | cbreak: I think most of my p2p patch content comes from "peers" from Blizzard. |
| 22:38.35 | ZorbaTHut | cbreak, I dunno, when you divide it up among the user count it may not be a huge issue |
| 22:38.48 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, bittorrent is not hard to jam into an updater |
| 22:38.53 | ZorbaTHut | and yet, no other MMORPG besides Blizzard uses it |
| 22:39.07 | ZorbaTHut | hell Steam doesn't use it |
| 22:39.28 | ZorbaTHut | and they don't even have monthly subscriptions to offset the cost of bandwidth |
| 22:40.21 | cbreak | steam can't use it |
| 22:40.30 | cbreak | not that I have even used steam due to lack of windows |
| 22:40.33 | ZorbaTHut | sure they could |
| 22:40.36 | Dagmar | Steam just gets colocation deals with ISPs like Comcast |
| 22:40.36 | cbreak | but I read that it distributes content encrypted |
| 22:40.37 | ZorbaTHut | nothin' stopping them |
| 22:40.42 | cbreak | personal for every user |
| 22:40.46 | foxlit | cbreak: meh. |
| 22:40.49 | cbreak | so every user has different data |
| 22:40.52 | foxlit | Not that big a problem. |
| 22:40.54 | ZorbaTHut | some content, maybe. most content, unnecessary. |
| 22:41.00 | Dagmar | Steam does distribute content encrypted, but that doesn't mean it can't be shipped via a Torrent mechanism |
| 22:41.04 | ZorbaTHut | distribute the bulk encrypted, distribute the core .exes directly. |
| 22:41.05 | foxlit | Share a common encrypted block for most of the game. |
| 22:41.12 | Dagmar | Each user does *not* have different data |
| 22:41.17 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, so, blizzard could do that also |
| 22:41.25 | cbreak | yes, but I'd hope they have different keys. |
| 22:41.26 | foxlit | Distribute personal encrypted *key* block to each user. |
| 22:41.38 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, I just bought DA:O. 12 gigs, $35. obviously they are paying less than $3 per gigabyte. |
| 22:41.50 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: except Steam isn't typically serving up twelve million copies of something at once |
| 22:41.53 | ZorbaTHut | 3.3 patch so far: 500 megs. Even at our hypothetical ridiculously inflated rates, that's 50 cents of bandwidth. |
| 22:42.10 | Dagmar | So, fifty cents times ten million |
| 22:42.18 | Dagmar | A half million dollars. |
| 22:42.22 | ZorbaTHut | is five million bucks, which is a drop in the bucket for Blizzard. |
| 22:42.22 | Arrowmaster | real hosts dont pay for bandwidth used |
| 22:42.25 | Dagmar | Oh, lets' not forget |
| 22:42.38 | Dagmar | They just don't make pipes that freaking big |
| 22:42.45 | ZorbaTHut | Plus, it isn't that, because that assumes DA:O is breaking even for Steam |
| 22:42.54 | ZorbaTHut | simply from bandwidth costs |
| 22:42.58 | ZorbaTHut | and somehow I doubt that is the case |
| 22:43.01 | ZorbaTHut | and yes they do :P |
| 22:43.02 | Dagmar | Still, five million for an update? That no one's paying extra money for? Not a chance |
| 22:43.14 | Arrowmaster | steam doesnt have to pay for bandwidth, they pay for a pipe and not whats used on it |
| 22:43.20 | Dagmar | BitTorrent will ship out that volume of data to all the users faster overall |
| 22:43.22 | ZorbaTHut | of course there's a chance. Compared to the amount of money Blizz makes, it may simply not be an issue |
| 22:43.30 | foxlit | The real price of bandwidth is smaller, Dag. |
| 22:43.37 | Dagmar | ...and it won't involve sucking down all the bandwidth on the east coast at the same time |
| 22:43.41 | ZorbaTHut | It's not like $5m for a company making $1b is any more than $5k is for a company making $5m |
| 22:43.42 | foxlit | Just 10-to-100 times, and it becomes a reasonable number. |
| 22:43.50 | Dagmar | foxlit: I know about bandwidth costs, man |
| 22:43.56 | Shirik | rawrs |
| 22:44.01 | Dagmar | I've been working _for_ ISPs and so on for many many years |
| 22:44.01 | Arrowmaster | i know a guy that ran a datacenter in irvine years ago and he just barely lost out on the bid to host the steam servers |
| 22:44.06 | ZorbaTHut | bandwidth is cheap, blizzard is rich, and, again, *no other mmorpg bothers with bittorrent, and neither does steam* |
| 22:44.19 | ZorbaTHut | I can't help but think that *maybe* it's not because every other mmorpg developer is an idiot |
| 22:44.21 | Arrowmaster | bandwidth to him was meaningless |
| 22:44.53 | foxlit | Dagmar: great. So your point is that a high cost based on an outrageously high estimate is high? |
| 22:44.56 | ZorbaTHut | bittorrent was originally implemented back in the early days of WoW, when bandwidth was far more expensive and WoW wasn't even known to be profitable. I suspect its continued existence is mostly a legacy issue. |
| 22:45.09 | Dagmar | That and it _works_ |
| 22:45.17 | ZorbaTHut | (especially considered the vast asymmetry in upload and download) |
| 22:45.34 | Dagmar | foxlit: I have no idea what you're talking about |
| 22:45.37 | mitch0 | they should've gone for ipv6 and multicast :P |
| 22:45.39 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, sure, as I said - it works, why get rid of it - but I suspect if they had to redesign the patcher from scratch for some reason, they would not bother with bittorrent. |
| 22:46.02 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: There's also the matter of there's a lot of water on the planet, but we don't "waste" it willingly |
| 22:46.07 | cbreak | patching via SMS. yay! |
| 22:46.08 | foxlit | "Dagmar: Still, five million for an update? That no one's paying extra money for? Not a chance" << the 5m figure is 0.5 * 10m |
| 22:46.17 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, no, but the sane ones of us don't agonize over a few cents worth. |
| 22:46.32 | Dagmar | foxlit: The number doesn't even matter. |
| 22:46.38 | ZorbaTHut | it makes no sense to spend a thousand dollars saving a hundred dollars of water. |
| 22:46.54 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, of course it does. the code doesn't maintain itself, and the support requests don't solve themselves. |
| 22:46.55 | Dagmar | I'll settle for saying this |
| 22:47.10 | ZorbaTHut | bittorrent is a nonzero cost. I suspect having it is slightly preferable to not having it, but I don't think it's a big bonus to them at this point. |
| 22:47.18 | Dagmar | People who actually work in datacenters and for companies that run MAEs have no problem with BitTorrent other than it's a little inefficient |
| 22:47.41 | Dagmar | ...because we *know* how much people throw a fit when the pipes are saturated for _any_ reason. |
| 22:48.36 | mitch0 | I think bt is useful for blizz 'cos at patch days there's not a pipe big enough to pump the data out fast enough to all them users |
| 22:48.37 | cogwheel | gives Shirik that christian side hug |
| 22:48.44 | Dagmar | mitch0++ |
| 22:48.52 | ZorbaTHut | mitch, there definitely is. there are some huge pipes out there :P |
| 22:49.11 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: Dude, i've got an IPv6 backbone less than a hundred feet from me |
| 22:49.15 | Dagmar | They don't make pipes that big |
| 22:49.31 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, man call me crazy but blizzard is not limited to a single pipe here |
| 22:49.40 | foxlit | It's all CDN'ed anyway. |
| 22:50.03 | Dagmar | So let's see... what's five hundred megs times oh, say... ten million. |
| 22:50.05 | foxlit | My puny downstream is saturated several times over on patch days. |
| 22:50.32 | Dagmar | It would still be a horrifying number of individual pipes |
| 22:50.35 | ZorbaTHut | a pretty big number. now multiply that by the actual cost of bandwidth. |
| 22:50.52 | mitch0 | it's not (just) about cost |
| 22:50.57 | Dagmar | Let's not forget the cost of colocation in all those locations |
| 22:50.59 | ZorbaTHut | now compare that to the cost of maintaining bt, the cost of dealing with support requests from bt-related issues, the rather hidden cost of sheer complexity driving users away, and the cost of all the bandwidth they *still* have to provide anyway |
| 22:51.02 | foxlit | 10m is global, anyway |
| 22:51.08 | foxlit | Staggered patches == smaller concurrency. |
| 22:51.12 | ZorbaTHut | I do not believe the two numbers are as different as you seem to think. |
| 22:51.18 | Dagmar | THAT will be a much bigger price than the bandwidth usage unless someone screws up and gets the wrong plan |
| 22:51.54 | Dagmar | I don't see Bt driving anyone away |
| 22:52.30 | ZorbaTHut | pretty much any measure of complexity drives people away in small numbers. users are fickle. |
| 22:52.41 | Dagmar | Good thing they only have to click ont he updater then |
| 22:52.54 | Dagmar | They don't have to figure out how to install BitTorrent themselves |
| 22:53.12 | Dagmar | Clearly, since so few people are pirating movies hand over fist installing BitTorrent clients is a very complex thing to do |
| 22:53.14 | ZorbaTHut | yes, it's much less of a factor than if blizzard were actively idiotic :P |
| 22:53.34 | ZorbaTHut | are you actually listening to what I'm saying, or just trying to make fun of me? I mean, should we degenerate into your-mom jokes here? |
| 22:53.44 | ZorbaTHut | your mom is so dumb, she can't even patch World of Warcraft |
| 22:53.52 | Dagmar | I think your conclusion lacks the practicality of experience. |
| 22:53.53 | ZorbaTHut | your mom's so fat, even her bits don't fit through a normal pipe! |
| 22:54.16 | ZorbaTHut | I think your conclusion lacks the practicality of business sense. |
| 22:54.30 | Dagmar | Have you worked for a telecom before? |
| 22:54.39 | ZorbaTHut | No. Have you run a product with a million users before? |
| 22:54.44 | Dagmar | Yes |
| 22:55.16 | ZorbaTHut | then why do you think bandwidth costs are such a huge factor when you have *any* kind of significant per-user income? |
| 22:55.30 | Dagmar | I worked for a company that brought China a good 75ms closer to the US (for all the utility there is in that) |
| 22:55.50 | Dagmar | Dude, it's not just the costs |
| 22:55.53 | ZorbaTHut | that's not a million users, that's a few large backbone client users |
| 22:56.13 | Dagmar | It's the sheer volume involved in shipping that data out to ten million clients at once. |
| 22:56.34 | Dagmar | Literally no one makes pipes that big, and dividing it up among 3-4 colo facilities won't even make a dent in it |
| 22:57.30 | ZorbaTHut | I honestly think you're overestimating the problem there. That's why they do patch pre-rolling, and if it were a real problem, they could do more aggressive prerolling. |
| 22:57.56 | ZorbaTHut | (for example, sending data gradually while people were playing the game) |
| 22:58.07 | bleeter | no problem here since Internode started mirroring everything >< |
| 22:58.18 | Dagmar | ...and now you're back to distributed bandwidth again |
| 22:58.33 | ZorbaTHut | no, I'm not talking about distributed. I'm talking about downloading from a centralized source. |
| 22:58.47 | ZorbaTHut | I also think you're overestimating the difference that bittorrent makes - most home connections are vastly asymmetrical, and in the "worst-case" of patch day, people aren't going to be sitting there after the patch is done uploading to other people |
| 22:58.54 | ZorbaTHut | they're going to be slamming the "play game" button ASAP |
| 22:59.15 | Dagmar | I think you've definitely not spent as much time as I have looking at BT |
| 22:59.29 | ZorbaTHut | (by "centralized source", I really mean "blizzard's distribution network", of course) |
| 22:59.39 | ZorbaTHut | what part of BT do you think I'm missing? |
| 23:00.01 | Dagmar | It doesnt' matter if your upstream is a quarter or an eighth of your downstream if there's three hundred of you |
| 23:00.12 | mitch0 | "blizzard distribution network" == "main servers + clients" :) |
| 23:00.16 | ZorbaTHut | of course it does if all three hundred of you are downloading full-tilt |
| 23:00.36 | ZorbaTHut | three hundred full-speed downloads + 1/10 upload on each one = congratulations you need to provide 270 full-speed downloads of bandwidth |
| 23:00.50 | Dagmar | lol |
| 23:00.53 | ZorbaTHut | (plus bt overhead, which isn't all that much) |
| 23:01.08 | Lopeppeppy | wants a snake |
| 23:01.12 | Dagmar | Redo your math |
| 23:01.22 | mitch0 | REDO FROM START |
| 23:01.30 | ZorbaTHut | Okay. 300 - (300 / 10) = 270. |
| 23:01.32 | mitch0 | C - NONSENSE IN BASIC |
| 23:01.50 | mitch0 | RANDOMIZE USR 0 |
| 23:01.53 | mitch0 | nighty night |
| 23:02.01 | Dagmar | Your math is still wrong. |
| 23:02.09 | ZorbaTHut | how so? |
| 23:02.21 | Dagmar | It fails utterly to represent the actions of a network shipping the rarest packets to it's neighbors first |
| 23:02.57 | ZorbaTHut | I don't care about rarity in this case, it's irrelevant |
| 23:03.09 | ZorbaTHut | what I'm saying is that we have 300 users, each of which has 1/10 the upload bandwidth that they have download bandwidth |
| 23:03.26 | Dagmar | It's entirely relevant and the whole reason a BT cloud can ship data out faster then a bunch of freaking 1:1 transfers. |
| 23:03.38 | ZorbaTHut | even assuming bittorrent is 100% optimal at planning out data transfers, you're still only going to save 1/10 the bandwidth. If everyone downloads at 300k/s and uploads at 30k/s, where exactly are you claiming the extra bandwidth comes from? |
| 23:03.47 | Dagmar | Wrong again |
| 23:04.01 | ZorbaTHut | Seriously. I want you to answer that question. I have a thousand users. They all download at 1 megabyte per second and upload at 100 kilobytes per second. |
| 23:04.14 | ZorbaTHut | How much bandwidth do I, the provider, have to have in order to keep them saturated with download speed? |
| 23:04.15 | Dagmar | I'm sorry, you've failed to inspire me to give a damn if you understand it or not. |
| 23:04.39 | ZorbaTHut | *shrug* alright then. I still care about understanding, but I guess we'll end the conversation now. |
| 23:05.29 | Dagmar | Then sit down and actually model a transmission |
| 23:05.42 | Dagmar | The explanation won't fit in one line of IRC text. |
| 23:05.54 | ZorbaTHut | sit down and do that one very simple calculation |
| 23:05.59 | ZorbaTHut | it actually *will* fit in one line of IRC text :P |
| 23:06.18 | mitch0 | the clients won't be saturated initially |
| 23:06.38 | mitch0 | I know jack shit about bt, but here's my thought |
| 23:07.01 | mitch0 | serve 10 clients, each get diff part of the whole (assume each get 1/10th of the whole, but diff parts) |
| 23:07.33 | mitch0 | after this initial phase, they all start leeching each other |
| 23:07.49 | mitch0 | hrm, multicast would still help it |
| 23:07.50 | ZorbaTHut | mitch, the real point I'm getting at is that clients generally can't upload anywhere near as quickly as they can download |
| 23:08.04 | ZorbaTHut | the bittorrent networks survive by people being willing to sit there for hours with their client uploading but not downloading |
| 23:08.16 | ZorbaTHut | WoW doesn't have that advantage, especially during the worst-case moments, because people want to play the game ASAP |
| 23:08.54 | ZorbaTHut | every client that's able to download at 300k/s while uploading at 30k/s is essentially sapping 270k/s from the network. In Bittorrent, that's snagged from users that are done downloading. In WoW, that's pulled from Blizzard's servers. |
| 23:09.38 | mitch0 | *shrug*, I'm too tired to think it over. next time an interview comes up with blizz on /., I'll ask them ;) |
| 23:09.38 | ZorbaTHut | (I'm using 300kB/30kB because that's actually the speed of my home connection ;) ) |
| 23:09.55 | ZorbaTHut | alright. don't expect them to answer, I suspect that'll be under heavy NDA. If you get an answer, though, lemme know :) |
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| 23:12.37 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 23:12.38 | purl | ~pong |
| 23:13.51 | theorbtwo | bets the short answer is that the bliz downloader downloads from a network-wise local server, quite likely akami's. |
| 23:14.07 | ScytheBlade1 | whoo, new monitors |
| 23:14.19 | ZorbaTHut | theorb, it also bittorrents :) |
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| 23:15.30 | theorbtwo | ZorbaTHut: Well, yes, but additionally, it *http* downloads from a bliz server. |
| 23:15.51 | theorbtwo | The BT, as you've been discussing, barely blunts the edge off of the thirst of the clients. |
| 23:16.01 | Shirik | Kraps: How much do you know about HG? |
| 23:16.13 | ZorbaTHut | theorb, yeah, I didn't actually know if it does http or bittorrent-client. But yeah, that's what I've been saying - the BT is not a huge bonus. |
| 23:18.14 | theorbtwo | hmmms, as he notices that his bliz downloader isn't running. |
| 23:18.21 | theorbtwo | I'm fairly certian it says it's doing http download. |
| 23:18.40 | Dagmar | The blizz client has at least one HTTP connection selected by default. If you watch you'll see that that's almost never where you're getting data from |
| 23:19.10 | Shadowed | Yea the majority of it is torrent |
| 23:19.14 | ZorbaTHut | I'll have to check that next time I download something, then |
| 23:19.16 | theorbtwo | Strange. Normally, it is where I'm getting most of my data from. |
| 23:19.35 | Dagmar | Yowch. You must be seriously throttled |
| 23:19.56 | Dagmar | We've got BT throttled to a very low speed at our gateway |
| 23:19.59 | Shirik | I feel like I'm not in all of the channels I'm supposed to be in |
| 23:20.03 | theorbtwo | Quite possible. |
| 23:20.13 | Dagmar | Internally however, the people playing WoW still ship data to each other relatively unrestricted |
| 23:22.48 | Dagmar | BT might take a while to find actual neighbors to connect with, but once it does it doesnt' just get a few blocks and let the connection die |
| 23:23.35 | Dagmar | The client continually keeps looking for new peers with more of the file to get, and new connections from hungry clients are always coming in |
| 23:24.54 | cbreak | I think there was a proposal for a BT protocol change from some provider |
| 23:25.01 | cbreak | that helped find local peers |
| 23:25.11 | cbreak | so the provider saved $$ on it's foreign exchange points |
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| 23:25.34 | Shirik | HAHAHAHAHA |
| 23:25.34 | Shirik | How did Fisker get banned? |
| 23:25.43 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v MentalPower] by ChanServ |
| 23:27.03 | Shadowed | How did Fisker get banned |
| 23:27.21 | Shadowed | wait from what Shirik |
| 23:27.24 | Shadowed | game? |
| 23:27.33 | Shirik | from channel |
| 23:27.51 | Lopeppeppy | Dunno |
| 23:27.53 | Shadowed | Fisker's still here? |
| 23:28.05 | Shirik | :Shiibot!n=Shiibot@WoWUIDev/Nospam MODE #wowuidev +bb %*!*@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk %*!i=lolgourr@* |
| 23:28.10 | Shadowed | or is my buffer missing the ban message that he's evading |
| 23:28.16 | Shadowed | Shiibot is a jerk |
| 23:28.17 | ZorbaTHut | he spammed slapping someone around with a trout a lot |
| 23:28.19 | ZorbaTHut | that's all |
| 23:28.38 | Shirik | noob |
| 23:28.43 | Dagmar | cbreak: Far as I know that done based on ASN mappings, but ASN is apparently too close to "asian" to be Googled much |
| 23:28.52 | Dagmar | I keep getting all these damn links to torrent porno |
| 23:28.53 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-bb %*!*@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk %*!i=lolgourr@*] by Shirik |
| 23:28.56 | Dagmar | Go figure. |
| 23:28.58 | Fisker | maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan |
| 23:29.00 | Fisker | ZorbaTHut |
| 23:29.01 | Shirik | Fisker: l2troll |
| 23:29.07 | Dagmar | I know Azureus tries to look at ASN mappings to determine nearness |
| 23:29.09 | Fisker | why didn't you put in /qh incomplete for 3.2? |
| 23:29.10 | Fisker | jerk |
| 23:29.18 | ZorbaTHut | fisker, because it's impossible to implement? :D |
| 23:29.21 | Fisker | no? |
| 23:29.39 | ZorbaTHut | without recording all the user's quests and being installed from day one, yes. |
| 23:29.39 | Shadowed | you mean 3.3? |
| 23:29.40 | Fisker | Login to 3.3, copy sv, HURR DURR HOW DID I SHOT QUEST LIST? |
| 23:29.52 | ZorbaTHut | oh, that. I wouldn't call that 3.2. That's just because I'm lazy. |
| 23:30.08 | Fisker | lazy git :( |
| 23:30.16 | bleeter | no u |
| 23:30.20 | ZorbaTHut | Also, it would be relatively simple to write a plugin that provides the appropriate functionality for *all* UI mods. If someone wanted to do so, it may simply work with Questhelper. |
| 23:30.20 | Kraps | Shirik: not much |
| 23:33.54 | Fisker | does your addon keep track of questrewards ZorbaTHut? |
| 23:34.44 | ZorbaTHut | fisker, I think I store them, but I don't yet do anything with them |
| 23:34.55 | Fisker | ok |
| 23:35.23 | Fisker | would be a cute feature for reputation whores |
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| 23:35.46 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I've thought about putting that in. it's tough to figure out how to do it right, though, since dailies make up such a large chunk of it for most reps |
| 23:35.49 | ZorbaTHut | or dungeon crawls |
| 23:36.06 | ZorbaTHut | there's a lot of UI features I've wanted to do that I'll probably never get around to. "help me with rep" is one of them |
| 23:36.33 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.43 | Dagmar | Just tell them that if they _really_ cared about The Knights of Fappery faction they'd have no problems raising it |
| 23:36.48 | Fisker | i require additional sleep though |
| 23:37.28 | bleeter | Knights of Fappery.. will pay that |
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| 23:40.07 | Dagmar | Some of these faction names just begin to strike me as being a little silly |
| 23:40.28 | Dagmar | ...but that's mainly the ones involved with religious stuff. |
| 23:41.03 | Dagmar | If Alliance ever figures out how to interest the Horde in needless drama, the humans will be our greatest asset |
| 23:41.35 | Dagmar | All these silly crusades |
| 23:42.37 | Thunder_Child | no crusade is silly |
| 23:43.45 | Dagmar | I have a real problem taking the Scarlet guys seriously |
| 23:48.49 | Thunder_Child | i didnt say is wasnt silly to you |
| 23:50.49 | Thunder_Child | interesting, the armory doesnt seem to be linked to battle.net. it doesnt ask for an authenticator when logging in |
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| 23:53.03 | Lopeppeppy | why should it? |
| 23:53.54 | Dagmar | Delightful. Apparently some student decided to annoy-a-tron the campus |
| 23:54.03 | Lopeppeppy | Not like they're expensive. |
| 23:54.16 | Dagmar | I will now show remarkable restraint in not asking which genius-child-about-to-depart-the-gene-pool it was |
| 23:54.18 | NeoTron | Thunder_Child: it is but they disabled it |
| 23:54.22 | NeoTron | Thunder_Child: same with the forums |
| 23:54.39 | NeoTron | since it was annoying as heck to keep a non-iphone authenticator with you |
| 23:55.31 | Thunder_Child | i have a phone one and it's still iritating to whip it out everytime you want to log in |
| 23:55.51 | cbreak | I rarely felt the need to log in into the armory |
| 23:56.02 | Thunder_Child | i wanted to look at my calendar |
| 23:56.09 | NeoTron | me neither - I have the iphone app.. now |
