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| 00:07.50 | Shirik | (19:07:04) (@Shirik) rawr |
| 00:07.50 | Shirik | (19:07:26) * Disconnected |
| 00:07.52 | Shirik | :( |
| 00:11.26 | bleeter | hmmm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKKKgua7wQk |
| 00:13.59 | Shirik | Huh |
| 00:14.04 | Shirik | interesting post to full disclosure today |
| 00:14.37 | Shirik | "Out of 280 million PDFs accessible on the internet, more than 20% look to be exposing internal disk paths" |
| 00:15.18 | Shirik | And who said tying an OS to a browser wasn't a big security issue? |
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| 00:16.17 | alestane | Is that a direct vulnerability, or does it just allow someone to determine some part of the directory structure in which the PDF resides? |
| 00:16.53 | Shirik | it's just an exposure vulnerability |
| 00:17.00 | Shirik | just lets someone know what your directory structure is |
| 00:17.10 | Shirik | or rather, the directory structure of the computer where the PDF was composed |
| 00:17.42 | Shirik | however, especially on Windows, this often consists partially of a username, so you're at least exposing valid usernames in many cases |
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| 00:18.09 | alestane | So it's significant, but not too egregious? |
| 00:18.19 | Shirik | yup |
| 00:18.33 | Shirik | technically I'm using the wrong term |
| 00:18.34 | Shirik | it's not a vulnerability |
| 00:18.36 | Shirik | it's an exposure |
| 00:19.08 | Shirik | From CVE: An information security "vulnerability" is a mistake in software that can be directly used by a hacker to gain access to a system or network. An information security "exposure" is a system configuration issue or a mistake in software that allows access to information or capabilities that can be used by a hacker as a stepping-stone into a system or network. |
| 00:22.30 | Lunessa | I'm amused by the claim that the Chrome OS video makes about "thinking of the browser as the OS" is new thinking. We had this conversation in 1994. |
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| 00:23.42 | Lunessa | And the idea that everything lives somewhere else, centrally accessed? Hello, welcome to 1950s. |
| 00:24.33 | kdtresh | like wopr? |
| 00:24.48 | kdtresh | though i guess that was 80's, not 50's |
| 00:24.58 | Shirik | My guild is so fucked up.... |
| 00:25.00 | Shirik | "Movies are kinda like girls... they may not all be the prettiest, the largest boobs, perfect ass, or be the kinkiest, but if you have sex with enough of them, you can just add them together like Voltron in your imagination and they are perfect!" |
| 00:25.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: he has a point, though |
| 00:26.16 | Lunessa | "If you took all the girls I knew when I was single. Brought them all together for one night. I know they'ed never match my sweet imagination. Everything looks better in black and white." |
| 00:26.28 | Shirik | Here's a fun one: |
| 00:26.59 | Shirik | Who here would honestly eat 3 quarter pounders, with butter and coke (assume you like the taste -- this is for health considerations)? |
| 00:27.31 | Shirik | "Well, that's what you are doing when you settle in with a popcorn and a soda at one movie theater chain. A study by the Center for Science in the Public Interest found that a medium popcorn at this chain contained a whopping 1,200 calories, 60 grams of saturated fat and 980 milligrams of sodium." |
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| 00:27.47 | Shirik | http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/dailydish/2009/11/movie-popcorn-still-a-nutritional-horror-study-finds.html |
| 00:28.09 | Shirik | P.S. That 1200 calories did not include butter topping |
| 00:28.26 | kdtresh | you mean faux-buttery goodness |
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| 00:28.50 | alestane | That's about a day's worth of calories for many people. |
| 00:28.58 | kdtresh | that is a day's worth for me right now |
| 00:29.26 | Shirik | "Regal medium popcorn -- 20 cups -- contains 1,200 calories, 60 grams of saturated fat, and 980 milligrams of sodium. That's without the buttery topping that can be drizzled -- or poured -- on the popcorn, which adds another 200 calories and 3 grams of saturated fat per 1.5 tablespoons." |
| 00:30.13 | Lunessa | From @Broslife on Twitter: " When excecuting the hole in the bottom of the popcorn move, refrain from asking for butter. It sounds like a good idea, but it is not." |
| 00:30.30 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:30.31 | Shirik | wtf |
| 00:30.43 | kdtresh | egad |
| 00:31.02 | Lunessa | That's Neil Patrick Harris writing as Barney Stinson from "How I Met Your Mother" |
| 00:31.28 | Shirik | tbh, Regal does have a valid response |
| 00:31.35 | Shirik | "According to the most recent statistics from the Motion Picture Assn. of America, the average American attends six movies a year," Regal said. "Theater popcorn and movie snacks are viewed as a treat and not intended to be part of a regular diet." |
| 00:32.01 | kdtresh | and usually it's not soloed |
| 00:32.35 | Shirik | gotta go home |
| 00:32.40 | Lunessa | Shirik: Correct. 6 times a year, eating popcorn and chugging a super-tanker of cola isn't going to hurt you. |
| 00:33.04 | kdtresh | it should give you enough calories to survive the rest of the year without eating, too |
| 00:33.41 | Lunessa | kdtresh: No, those are all stored in my waist, thighs and my extra chin already, thank you. |
| 00:33.57 | kdtresh | then think of it as restocking your reserves :P |
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| 00:34.50 | Lunessa | hypoglycemia and sedentary lifestyle does not a skinny man make. |
| 00:35.16 | kdtresh | have you tried the hacker diet? |
| 00:35.51 | Lunessa | jolt cola, pr0n and hacking code for 48 hours straight? |
| 00:35.54 | kdtresh | i've lost about 55 lbs without changing my sedentary lifestyle :P |
| 00:36.52 | kdtresh | that wonderful diet called "eating fewer calories" |
| 00:37.20 | kdtresh | best part is that i eat fast food all the time, just have to know what to get and stick with it |
| 00:39.24 | Lunessa | kdtresh: Yeah, mono + hypoglycemia meant that in my early 20s I gained a lot of weight. I'm in the slow battle to lose it. *shurg* I was just making jokes at my own expense. |
| 00:45.43 | kdtresh | i kinda got scammed out of my mono experience |
| 00:46.03 | kdtresh | i had a sore throat for a week |
| 00:46.09 | kdtresh | between christmas and new year |
| 00:46.14 | kdtresh | no missed school |
| 00:51.16 | Duman | hmm |
| 00:51.25 | batrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.27 | batrick | oops |
| 00:52.05 | sylvanaar | any of you java guru's know how to handle the utf-8 bom properly? |
| 00:52.43 | sylvanaar | ie. read a file that begins with it |
| 00:53.06 | Shirik | you shouldn't have to do anything special, sylvanaar |
| 00:53.10 | Shirik | unless you're handling the file yourself |
| 00:53.10 | sylvanaar | i agree |
| 00:53.17 | Shirik | what are you using? |
| 00:53.49 | sylvanaar | our client is the one with the issue - their xml serializer chokes on the bom |
| 00:54.37 | sylvanaar | im not sure how they are reading the file tbh - they are using castor as their serializer |
| 00:55.42 | kd3 | so uh... who can I fire off an email to to get typos in the 3.3 patch notes fixed? |
| 00:55.49 | Shirik | I can't really help you there, sorry. I know for a fact the SAX parsers and writers handle it correctly |
| 00:55.50 | kd3 | it's still "etQuestsCompleted(<luatable>)" |
| 00:56.46 | Gnarfoz | whoever you fire it off to, make sure to include a request to change the protection of PickupInventoryItem to 'in combat' :\ |
| 00:57.14 | kd3 | hopefully that's already been fixed... >.> |
| 00:57.16 | Gnarfoz | also, yay diff mail :D |
| 00:57.25 | sylvanaar | Shirik makes no sense to me either - though there are alot of SO posts about it |
| 00:57.46 | sylvanaar | wanted to see if anyone had any insight that would make it make sense to me |
| 00:58.19 | Gnarfoz | kd3: *shrug* I didn't find any posts about it |
| 00:58.39 | alestane | kd3: Is it just in the notes, or is that the actual global set to the function? |
| 00:58.52 | kd3 | the notes. the global's correct |
| 01:00.39 | kd3 | and hm... updates to GetInstanceInfo |
| 01:00.50 | Antiarc | I just had the most deliciously evil idea for a "malware" injection into a mod. |
| 01:00.57 | Antiarc | Set up a set of name/coordinate mappings |
| 01:01.11 | Antiarc | And when you get within X units of a "hotspot", play a sound file from the WoW soundfiles. |
| 01:01.21 | Antiarc | So you're just toodling along and hear something completely out of place. |
| 01:01.29 | Antiarc | And it always happens when you get close to a certain area. |
| 01:01.37 | Antiarc | You could drive people insane with it. |
| 01:01.55 | theorbtwo | kd3: Does it give out more information now, or less? |
| 01:02.01 | kd3 | more |
| 01:02.04 | kd3 | sec, updating wiki |
| 01:02.25 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetInstanceInfo |
| 01:02.44 | Antiarc | dynamicInstance? |
| 01:03.02 | kd3 | "dynamicInstance is only true in cases like Icecrown Citadel where the difficulty mode can be changed on-the-fly." |
| 01:03.30 | kd3 | is what I just added to the page after committing the last line >.> |
| 01:04.05 | theorbtwo | kd3: Should it describe the new semantics at the top, and say "Before 3.3" in the patch changes section, or would that just be jumping the gun? |
| 01:04.27 | theorbtwo | wonders if there's a nice list somewhere of pages that should be updated when 3.3 goes live. |
| 01:04.37 | kd3 | no, but there should be |
| 01:04.45 | kd3 | sighs and starts trying to put together a list |
| 01:05.10 | theorbtwo | Do you have any data at all on what ? is? Is it nil, false, a number that you don't understand? |
| 01:05.29 | Dagmar | [Category:Changing in 3.3] or [Category:Changed in 3.3] sounds good to me |
| 01:05.29 | kd3 | dunno. I'm just looking at the interface diff. if I could log in to check (the ptr's down) I'd have more info |
| 01:06.47 | kd3 | oh genius. |
| 01:07.13 | kd3 | -- Hack alert! Temporary fix for bug 185222; if ( completeMapFileName == "Dalaran" ) then completeMapFileName = "Dalaran1_" end |
| 01:07.25 | kd3 | yay for running into that on the wiki too. >.< |
| 01:09.15 | theorbtwo | kd3: Aha, fair enough. |
| 01:17.27 | Thunder_Child | "Weâre pleased to announce that Blizzard Entertainment will be attending Dreamhack Winter 2009, the worldâs largest computer festival, which is taking place from 26th to 29th November in J??nk??ping, Sweden." lol |
| 01:17.33 | Thunder_Child | i blame Bibi |
| 01:17.47 | kd3 | way to copy from the bluewatcher |
| 01:18.00 | Thunder_Child | no, from mmo's post acutally |
| 01:18.22 | kd3 | s/watcher/watcher, bibi/ |
| 01:18.22 | theorbtwo | Eh, they both just copied the actual blue post, what's the difference? |
| 01:18.34 | Bibi | get a decent alphabet |
| 01:18.50 | kd3 | looks fine at http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11586621797&sid=1 |
| 01:19.03 | Thunder_Child | agreed |
| 01:24.50 | tem|afk | Opinion: Is this cheesy? I need to check if an address is within a memory range. I'm subtracting the start address of the range from the given address |
| 01:26.21 | tem|afk | and then comparing that result to the size of the block |
| 01:26.33 | durcyn | Bibi: thanks for DDOSing my guild's site =P |
| 01:26.34 | theorbtwo | tem|afk: Sounds reasonably sane to me. OTOH, if you are designing the API, perhaps it should be passing the offset, rather then passing a pointer to the middle of a range? |
| 01:26.35 | tem|afk | really what I'm doing is an unsigned less than |
| 01:26.46 | Bibi | durcyn : np. |
| 01:26.54 | Bibi | SUE ME! |
| 01:27.25 | tem|afk | theorbtwo, the api was designed for me and it's all in assembly |
| 01:27.38 | kd3 | oh huh. when'd they change over wow.com/account to bnet/account/management/wow? |
| 01:27.45 | kd3 | the bnet login changeover date? |
| 01:28.10 | tem|afk | theorbtwo, the cheese is that I'm using unsigned comparison |
| 01:28.38 | tem|afk | so (addr - memory_start) < memory_size |
| 01:28.42 | Lunessa | tem|afk: so, your code will happily cause buffer overflow? :P |
| 01:28.58 | tem|afk | well no |
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| 01:29.25 | theorbtwo | tem|afk: Well, yes, you would want an unsigned compare. Otherwise, really big offsets would be considered OK, since the subtraction would overflow, get a negitive result, and that'd be less then memory_size. |
| 01:29.53 | theorbtwo | Lunessa: It's OK so long as the result of addr-memory_start is in a type at least as wide as a pointer. |
| 01:29.54 | tem|afk | if the given address is before the start of the block, (addr- memory_start) will be negative but the unsigned comparison will consider it a very large positive number |
| 01:30.06 | Shirik | tem|afk: That seems like a perfectly reasonable solution to me |
| 01:30.28 | tem|afk | everything is 32 bits here |
| 01:30.48 | Lunessa | Should be ok then. |
| 01:31.32 | theorbtwo | tem|afk: Hmm, you're right about that. OTOH, you need to consider the case I presented. (Which is only a problem if memory_start is in the first half of the address space, and addr is in the second half, but still.) |
| 01:31.56 | theorbtwo | I think you need to compare that addr >= memory_start, and that memory_start-addr<memory_size. |
| 01:32.07 | Yssaril | is there any limit on how long a string can be in lua? |
| 01:33.01 | theorbtwo | Yssaril: I doubt there is any reasonable limit short of memory size. |
| 01:34.02 | Yssaril | kk |
| 01:34.23 | theorbtwo | (Certianly, I know that questhelper throws around some large strings.) |
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| 01:37.00 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:37.20 | bluspacecow | someone on the forums denying you can only put so many toons on a realm server |
| 01:37.23 | bluspacecow | ie the PTR server |
| 01:37.34 | bluspacecow | http://i.imgur.com/WGSDC.jpg |
| 01:40.03 | alestane | bluspacecow: *snrk* |
| 01:40.27 | bluspacecow | i just posted "so how come there are full servers ?" |
| 01:40.41 | bluspacecow | how come fat servers get split apart? |
| 01:40.57 | bluspacecow | how come huge servers get free server transfers ? |
| 01:41.18 | Lunessa | Because there's a performance: # of characters ratio. |
| 01:41.21 | Lunessa | ; |
| 01:41.29 | cbreak | blizzard uses Access to manage characters |
| 01:41.33 | bluspacecow | ";" |
| 01:41.36 | cbreak | if you have too many on a server, the database becomes corrupt |
| 01:41.37 | bluspacecow | its a fish right ? |
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| 01:42.12 | Lunessa | bluspacecow: It's "I hit enter before typing )" |
| 01:42.17 | Ginji | I figured Blizz as more of a pickle type of org |
| 01:42.28 | bluspacecow | nooooo |
| 01:42.29 | bluspacecow | cheese |
| 01:42.33 | bluspacecow | and little bits of meat |
| 01:42.50 | Ginji | http://docs.python.org/library/pickle.html |
| 01:42.52 | Ginji | nub |
| 01:42.53 | bluspacecow | org as in orgy right :) |
| 01:42.59 | bluspacecow | *wipes off clothes dons toga* |
| 01:43.37 | bluspacecow | ..... |
| 01:43.40 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 01:43.46 | bluspacecow | the topic got deleted ! |
| 01:44.02 | tem|afk | theorbtwo, I'm not seeing the problem you're talking about |
| 01:44.09 | tem|afk | the location of memory_start is irrelevent |
| 01:44.24 | tem|afk | oh |
| 01:44.35 | tem|afk | if memory_start as a signed int is negative |
| 01:44.44 | tem|afk | yeah that's a potential problem |
| 01:45.40 | cbreak | signed ints as pointers? :/ |
| 01:46.03 | theorbtwo | Too many characters in a single relm is more a gameplay problem then a server performance problem, I bet. |
| 01:46.06 | cbreak | 31bit computing ftw |
| 01:46.48 | theorbtwo | You know how annoying it is when somebody just killed the npc you needed to kill? The more players, the more often that happens. |
| 01:47.08 | bluspacecow | TURKEY ! |
| 01:47.11 | bluspacecow | i see turkeys |
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| 01:47.26 | bluspacecow | *points at Lunessa" |
| 01:48.12 | theorbtwo | was very disapointed to find out that the turkey caller doesn't create things that you can kill for turkinator. |
| 01:48.28 | Lunessa | I am not a turkey. I'm a honkey. |
| 01:48.30 | kd3 | not that it'd matter anyway. it's on a 2m cd |
| 01:48.45 | bluspacecow | *honks lunessa* |
| 01:49.23 | Cairenn | tonkey two-step? |
| 01:49.34 | Lunessa | wonders how much 'honking' and flirting would go one if everyone understood that Lunessa is aggressively male. |
| 01:49.41 | bluspacecow | <---- bi |
| 01:49.43 | bluspacecow | :) |
| 01:50.14 | Lunessa | Well, that answers that question, /in your case/. |
| 01:50.29 | bluspacecow | *waggles eyebrows suggestively* |
| 01:50.43 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:50.44 | Lunessa | *snickers* |
| 01:50.50 | bluspacecow | time to update my wowi thread |
| 01:50.58 | theorbtwo | Lunessa, lolenpeppy -- they, er, both start with an 'l', and have a repeated letter in the middle. |
| 01:51.20 | LBluuuspacecow | there ! |
| 01:51.27 | LBluuuspacecow | im the same :) |
| 01:51.48 | Lunessa | Peppy is very female, and there's photographic evidence that we're not the same person. ;) |
| 01:51.53 | Lunessa | lol |
| 01:52.09 | LBluuuspacecow | you could be really really good at cross dressing |
| 01:53.07 | LBluuuspacecow | *sigh* 44 MB for a fix for druid's eclipse ? |
| 01:53.08 | LBluuuspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.28 | Shirik | lies |
| 01:53.33 | Shirik | Lunessa == Lop |
| 01:53.35 | Shirik | eppeppy |
| 01:53.40 | Shirik | I proved this a few days ago |
| 01:53.59 | theorbtwo | It's amazing how *bad* a good many places are at installs and patches, Bliz included. |
| 01:54.06 | Lunessa | Shirik: Cairenn has proof! I mean, Peppy didn't grope her. :P |
| 01:54.17 | kd3 | there's more than the eclipse change in tonight's build |
| 01:54.22 | Shirik | Lunessa....... what? |
| 01:54.23 | Cairenn | that you know of ... |
| 01:54.34 | kd3 | wait, wait, wait, what!? |
| 01:54.42 | Lunessa | Cairenn: I'm tempted to violate the XKCD rule. |
| 01:54.42 | kd3 | is curious what party he missed out on |
| 01:55.06 | alestane | Which rule are you referring to now? |
| 01:55.12 | LBluuuspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.07 | theorbtwo | guesses: having sex with somebody in your geek social circle will complicate things, even if you agree in advance that it won't. |
| 01:56.56 | kd3 | wow, that was quick |
| 01:57.00 | kd3 | new build's already active |
| 01:57.10 | kd3 | logs in |
| 01:57.27 | Gnarfoz | logs kd3 out |
| 01:57.38 | kd3 | grr |
| 01:57.45 | kd3 | still phased wrong... |
| 01:57.51 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 01:58.01 | LBluuuspacecow | patch completed in : 18 mins 36 secs |
| 01:58.07 | Lunessa | theorbtwo: sex changes everything. |
| 01:58.16 | Gnarfoz | how did yours take twice the time mine did? oO |
| 01:58.23 | LBluuuspacecow | NZ |
| 01:58.25 | kd3 | unless I have "Battle Before the Citadel" in my log I can't see the NPCs in front of icecrown |
| 01:58.27 | LBluuuspacecow | other side of the world bud |
| 01:58.35 | LBluuuspacecow | plus 5 yr old computer |
| 01:58.52 | LBluuuspacecow | needs to upgrade badly |
| 01:59.44 | theorbtwo | Unless you have an amazingly good connection, patch download times are almost certianly about your connection, not your computer. |
| 02:00.26 | LBluuuspacecow | *points to in NZ* |
| 02:00.35 | theorbtwo | Exactly. |
| 02:01.00 | WobWork | lbluuu? |
| 02:01.11 | LBluuuspacecow | yes |
| 02:01.41 | LBluuuspacecow | "theorbtwo: Lunessa, lolenpeppy -- they, er, both start with an 'l', and have a repeated letter in the middle." |
| 02:01.48 | LBluuuspacecow | so i changed to be just like them |
| 02:02.09 | LBluuuspacecow | im just confused as to if I should have a skirt on or trousers |
| 02:02.14 | theorbtwo | LBluuuspacecow: Sorry, people still aren't going to confuse you. |
| 02:02.18 | Gnarfoz | kd3: how would I test PickupInventoryItem() easily? ;\ |
| 02:02.24 | LBluuuspacecow | :( |
| 02:02.27 | alestane | Who is this "lolenpeppy" of whom you speak? Some dino-wannabe? |
| 02:02.37 | Blusadcow | :( |
| 02:02.44 | kd3 | just /run it? |
| 02:02.46 | Gnarfoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:02.48 | Lunessa | Me: "At the rate you're going you will reach negative interest levels and positive disgust levels. Keep it up long enough, and you'll end up a political activist. Or French." |
| 02:02.50 | theorbtwo | alestane: A figment of my inability to remember people, it seems. |
| 02:02.54 | Gnarfoz | or did it fail that way before |
| 02:03.00 | kd3 | if it was protected you wouldn't be able to do that |
| 02:03.09 | Gnarfoz | well, it doesn't error even im combat |
| 02:03.27 | Torhal | They may have backpedaled since they changed the poison mechanic. |
| 02:05.11 | Blusadcow | zomg kd3 |
| 02:05.21 | Gnarfoz | Torhal: they said "we've also killed the addon" :o |
| 02:05.24 | Blugladcow | my toons stuck in dalaran |
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| 02:05.30 | Blugladcow | are no longer stuck :) |
| 02:05.38 | kd3 | congrats |
| 02:05.42 | Gnarfoz | because you could use the addon for PVP just as well, and they didn't change any mechanics there |
| 02:05.44 | alestane | I don't think it was ever *supposed* to be totally protected. It might require a hardware event, not sure. |
| 02:05.44 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: And they did. But they may have backpedaled. |
| 02:05.51 | kd3 | ok... I've figured out one of the two return types for GetInstanceInfo |
| 02:05.54 | Blugladcow | ie dalaran no longer crashes :) |
| 02:06.01 | theorbtwo | kd3: Oh? |
| 02:06.05 | Gnarfoz | why would they backpedal when the only fix half of the things the addon was used for :\ |
| 02:06.11 | Torhal | Blugladcow: Stop changing your name and go back to walls of text. |
| 02:06.14 | Gnarfoz | anyway, wtb blue info =\ |
| 02:06.15 | kd3 | afaik #5 is maxNumberOfPlayers |
| 02:06.25 | Blugladcow | :) |
| 02:06.41 | Bluspacecow | Happy now Torhal?Happy now Torhal?Happy now Torhal?Happy now Torhal?Happy now Torhal?Happy now Torhal?Happy now Torhal?Happy now Torhal?Happy now Torhal?Happy now Torhal?Happy now Torhal?Happy now Torhal?Happy now Torhal?Happy now Torhal?Happy now Torhal?Happy now Torhal?Happy now Torhal?Happy now Torhal?Happy now Torhal?Happy now Torhal?Happy now Torhal?Happy now Torhal?Happy now Torhal?Happy now Torhal?Happy now Torhal?Happ |
| 02:06.42 | kd3 | #6 is 0 for everything I've been trying to do so far. anyone on broxigar alliance I can invite to a party to test? |
| 02:06.56 | Bluspacecow | *dodges ban hammer* |
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| 02:07.18 | Bluspacecow | ck ! |
| 02:07.19 | *** kick/#WoWUIDev [Bluspacecow!n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn] by Cairenn (wanna bet?) |
| 02:08.23 | Lunessa | <3 Cairenn |
| 02:08.29 | Cairenn | <3 |
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| 02:09.17 | Cairenn | whistles an innocent little tune |
| 02:09.31 | Bluspacecow | *shuffles back in channel suitably chastised* |
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| 02:11.10 | NeoTron | remembers people back in the good old mud days that always spoke using emotes. |
| 02:11.33 | NeoTron | thinks "man was that an easy way to see that they usually played a MUSH". |
| 02:11.54 | Bluspacecow | i remember |
| 02:12.11 | Bluspacecow | sneaking into my local university to play muds |
| 02:12.20 | NeoTron | today the closest you get are the GM's that act like they came from a MUSH :P |
| 02:12.38 | Bluspacecow | erotic MUSh's FTW |
| 02:13.08 | NeoTron | Today's version of MUSH? Second Life |
| 02:13.27 | theorbtwo | has been playing lately in what might be a web-based MUSH. |
| 02:13.43 | theorbtwo | Remember Legend of the Red Dragon from the BBS era? |
| 02:13.49 | Bluspacecow | zomg |
| 02:13.57 | Bluspacecow | there was a web based one going not so long ago |
| 02:14.01 | NeoTron | says "I'm sorry!", nodding in understanding. |
| 02:14.13 | theorbtwo | Bluspacecow: It's based on that codebase. |
| 02:14.19 | Lunessa | People who use emotes for everything in WoW piss me off. Emotes are a terrible way to have a conversation. |
| 02:14.50 | NeoTron | it was bad in MUDs too |
| 02:14.52 | Bluspacecow | grinds sadistically "I know" he grins |
| 02:14.53 | NeoTron | not to mention irc |
| 02:14.59 | Bluspacecow | >_< |
| 02:15.05 | Bluspacecow | that come out wrong |
| 02:15.09 | Torhal | ... |
| 02:15.11 | theorbtwo | Yeah, I try to politely mock people who abuse emotes to portray things that ... aren't emoting. |
| 02:15.26 | Torhal | I refused to play MUDs because they were so terrible. So I programmed them, instead. |
| 02:15.31 | NeoTron | Bluspacecow: sadistic grinding ftw |
| 02:15.45 | NeoTron | Torhal: Heh. I find it enjoyable. very much so |
| 02:15.46 | Bluspacecow | oh yeah baby |
| 02:15.58 | Bluspacecow | got a undead lock to level 8 in just over 4 hrs like that |
| 02:16.01 | NeoTron | although most of my NannyMUD time was as a wizard, and later a High Wizard... cool that |
| 02:16.11 | Torhal | NeoTron: AberMUD? |
| 02:16.54 | NeoTron | I played on NannyMUD the most (well hanged out). I think the DIKU I played the most was called Moose or something |
| 02:17.32 | theorbtwo | ponders linking to the MU[D|SH] in question... now, do I want you lot invading, or not... |
| 02:18.07 | NeoTron | although I think it has a limited player base... |
| 02:18.35 | NeoTron | also played a, I think noerweigan mmo where I also made wizard and some american lpmud that I don't remember now |
| 02:19.02 | theorbtwo | My girlfriend did a lot of mudding back in the day, but I never got deeply into it. |
| 02:19.07 | NeoTron | all I remember of that one is that it had a portable hole (essentially a private room/infinite bag space) |
| 02:19.21 | NeoTron | NannyMUD still exists |
| 02:20.08 | theorbtwo | In fact, I met her while she was attempting to write a MUD in perl, or rather an intermud2 chat client. |
| 02:23.29 | Bluspacecow | needs more booze |
| 02:23.30 | Bluspacecow | brb |
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| 02:29.19 | Lunessa | "There is a difference between eating a varied diet and chowing down on a cup of lard and sugar once a day. Programmers know this instinctively: they balance their daily menu among the four major food groups: caffeine, sugar, grease, and salt. " |
| 02:32.28 | Bluspacecow | It's dangerous to go at this alone ! Here take this *hands you gigantic cup of coffee and DVD box set of your favourite TV show* |
| 02:32.45 | Bluspacecow | (on reinstalling the PTR from scratch) |
| 02:36.00 | WobWork | I was a creator on the Discworld MUD |
| 02:36.02 | WobWork | it was awesome |
| 02:36.12 | WobWork | (it's still going ><) |
| 02:36.37 | WobWork | Met some of my best friends in uni through that |
| 02:37.39 | WobWork | and it was an eye opener after writing LPMUD and Smaug |
| 02:37.55 | WobWork | "zomg, I can have exits that are -not- named cardinal directions?" |
| 02:38.13 | Bluspacecow | "up" |
| 02:38.45 | alestane | "Trash chute" |
| 02:38.53 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 02:39.09 | WobWork | FluffOS was awesome |
| 02:39.28 | WobWork | object oriented coding in a MUD =) |
| 02:39.52 | WobWork | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discworld_Mudlib |
| 02:39.58 | theorbtwo | fondly remembers ZZT OOP. |
| 02:40.30 | theorbtwo | Object oriented programming, where an object is defined as a thing that takes up one character on screen. |
| 02:41.28 | WobWork | rofl, Drakkos wrote a "How to be a Better Creator" http://www.monkeys-at-keyboards.com/better1.pdf |
| 02:43.14 | WobWork | written surprisingly well |
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| 02:46.33 | theorbtwo | Hm, what the hell: If you are intersted in a funny web-based mush-ish environment, full of strange and fun people, try http://www.improbableisland.com/home.php?r=theorbtwo |
| 02:46.47 | theorbtwo | (Yes, I get referral points from that link, but only if you make it to level 15.) |
| 02:49.22 | theorbtwo | Hm, probably shouldn't have done that when I'm not near the starting zone... oh well. |
| 02:49.42 | WobWork | hehe |
| 02:49.55 | WobWork | "I would like to say before I write this section that you should buy the books. You are gaining tremendous enjoyment (we would hope) from a world that was written in tribute to a Very Excellent Man. Mister Pratchett has been good enough to turn a blind eye to our existence for a long time, and the least that we can do, as the people responsible for building this great big copyright violation, is support him in whatever way we can |
| 02:50.22 | WobWork | He knows about us, and he tries very hard to officially Not Know so we can continue in peace. Having a collection of legitimate Discworld books on your shelf is a small but very real way to say thank you. |
| 02:50.24 | WobWork | " |
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| 02:57.31 | alestane | Can someone please explain the subtleties of a .pch file as opposed to a .h file to me? |
| 03:00.46 | WobWork | "p" and "c", perhaps? |
| 03:00.59 | WobWork | easy to miss, I admit |
| 03:01.24 | ZorbaTHut | .pch is a precompiled header |
| 03:01.36 | ZorbaTHut | it's a performance hack that is (I believe) MSVC-specific, generated from header files and god knows what. |
| 03:01.55 | alestane | Xcode also apparently uses it. |
| 03:02.06 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, I imagine the format is completely different. it may be the same thing. |
| 03:02.29 | ZorbaTHut | alright, looks like they're completely different in xcode |
| 03:02.56 | theorbtwo | One of the silly things about C is that, in any given project, you will have to compile many files, each of which will include many other files -- mostly, the same files across an entire project. |
| 03:03.19 | theorbtwo | A pch is an attempt to avoid at least some of the implied wasted effort. |
| 03:03.27 | alestane | hence #ifndef sentinels and whatnot. |
| 03:03.46 | ZorbaTHut | theorb, it's got plusses and minuses. it lets you embed things statically into compilation units, and it makes distributed compiling in theory easier because you're not defering everything until the link step |
| 03:04.02 | ZorbaTHut | however, xcode .pch's appear to be utterly unrelated to precompiled headers, xcode uses .gch for precompiled headers |
| 03:04.12 | ZorbaTHut | .pch appears to be some kind of a project header that it makes for you as part of an example project. |
| 03:04.24 | ZorbaTHut | (thanks for the consistency apple, way to go, 'preciate it) |
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| 03:05.06 | theorbtwo | ZorbaTHut: Oh, c's model has a lot of things going for it, but efficency isn't one of them. |
| 03:06.17 | Kraps | hey guys, do you know anything about homeland security asking people at random workplaces for their id? |
| 03:06.54 | theorbtwo | Kraps: Sounds like a scam, or horrible evil. |
| 03:07.06 | cbreak | "Papiere Bitte!" |
| 03:09.51 | alestane | This is kind of bizarre...I've embedded Lua into my project, and added a completely separate source file, no edits to Lua, and Lua starts throwing compile errors. |
| 03:11.28 | ZorbaTHut | alestane, de-add and see what happens? |
| 03:12.41 | alestane | Fails equally well without them, so something else has gone wrong. |
| 03:14.28 | Kraps | this doesnt update often enough http://www.wncomic.com/archive_comments.php?strip_id=178 |
| 03:16.47 | WobWork | kraps agirlandherfed |
| 03:17.35 | Kraps | WobWork: i speak english mostly, thanks for asking |
| 03:17.44 | theorbtwo | The sudden change from impressionist to realistic art was ... odd. |
| 03:17.47 | WobWork | www.<>.com |
| 03:21.05 | Shirik | stabs WobWork |
| 03:21.19 | Shirik | alestane: It's very simple |
| 03:21.51 | Shirik | And it's not MSVC-specific, despite what ZorbaTHut seems to think. It's implementation-specific, sure, and only MSVC calls it "PCH," but practically every compiler supports it |
| 03:21.59 | Shirik | Anyway, PCH is a "Precompiled Header" |
| 03:22.26 | Shirik | What it is is a specially, pre-compiled file which allows for rapid inclusion in other locations |
| 03:22.53 | Shirik | It is generally a requirement that the precompiled header is the first non-comment non-whitespace line in a source file |
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| 03:23.13 | Shirik | All it does is allow the compiler to only have to compile that file once, saving a huge amount of compilation time |
| 03:23.24 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, you sure that "pch" is a precompiled header on x-code? |
| 03:23.25 | Shirik | Generally the reason you'd do this is when you have 30-odd libraries |
| 03:23.55 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.09 | Shirik | well they don't call it "precompiled header" |
| 03:24.11 | Shirik | but it's the same idea |
| 03:24.14 | ZorbaTHut | because there does seem to be such a thing as a .pch file on x-code, which is what the subject is about, and it's not a precompiled header |
| 03:24.18 | Shirik | xcode calls them "prefix header" |
| 03:24.20 | theorbtwo | It does seem strange to me how compilers make pch management the user's problem, putting that sort of strange requirements on. |
| 03:24.23 | alestane | Does it make sense to #include "Lua/lauxlib.h" in my pch file or not? |
| 03:24.23 | ZorbaTHut | (from what I'm getting online) |
| 03:24.46 | Shirik | alestane: The rule behind including in a PCH file is "will it frequently change?" if the answer is 'yes' then you should not |
| 03:25.01 | alestane | Well, no, I'm not modifying Lua yet. |
| 03:25.14 | theorbtwo | The "yet" scares me. |
| 03:25.28 | alestane | I don't expect to...I might load some modified functions in over the stock ones, but I shouldn't need to tweak the actual library. |
| 03:25.29 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, auth servers down? >< |
| 03:27.45 | Shirik | alestane: In the end, the result is the same. The only difference is in the compile time |
| 03:28.11 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: I just logged in fine |
| 03:28.21 | alestane | Then I can't figure out why I'm getting 12 errors in loslib.c that weren't previously occurring. |
| 03:28.38 | Shirik | oh oh |
| 03:28.38 | Shirik | oh |
| 03:28.42 | Shirik | you may have a separate problem |
| 03:28.46 | Shirik | the Lua files don't include the pch |
| 03:28.57 | alestane | Why should they? |
| 03:28.59 | Shirik | Visual studio gets pissed off about that too |
| 03:29.04 | alestane | It's supposed to self-contained. |
| 03:29.06 | Shirik | well I don't know how xcode implements them |
| 03:29.07 | alestane | to be* |
| 03:29.10 | Shirik | this is an implementation-specific thing |
| 03:30.07 | theorbtwo | suggests ignoring PCHes and disabling the special magic until compile time of your project becomes actively annoying. |
| 03:30.16 | ccox | wow, half my realms are offline |
| 03:31.00 | theorbtwo | Premature optimization is the root of much evil, and like I said, the compiler makes you do a lot of your own work when using pches. |
| 03:31.00 | Shirik | well, to be fair, Lua takes a while to compile because it's not amalgamalized |
| 03:31.32 | theorbtwo | Isn't lua a proper library? No need to recompile it all the time, just link to it. |
| 03:31.39 | Shirik | uh |
| 03:31.42 | Shirik | it can be |
| 03:31.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: odd, someone in my raid just d/c'd and is getting login errors :\ |
| 03:31.45 | Shirik | it doesn't have to be |
| 03:31.58 | theorbtwo | At the very least, you shouldn't be compiling files you don't change unless your dev env is *really* stupid. |
| 03:32.12 | Shirik | you always have to compile the header files |
| 03:32.18 | Shirik | otherwise a PCH would be useless |
| 03:32.19 | alestane | I downloaded the source. If I want it as a compiled lib I think I have to compile it as a separate project. |
| 03:32.38 | Thunder_Child | anyone know why s bunch of the serrvers are down? |
| 03:32.47 | ccox | Nighthawk - I got dc'd and a lot of servers are down |
| 03:33.02 | theorbtwo | Shirik: Well, yes, but that shouldn't be a huge hit. |
| 03:33.09 | Shirik | amagalized (sp) |
| 03:33.09 | batbot | Shirik, nothing found. |
| 03:33.17 | ccox | Thunder_Child: no idea why |
| 03:33.18 | Shirik | theorbtwo: Have you ever bothered compiling Lua? |
| 03:33.19 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: well, the server is still up, and other people can login.. *shrug* |
| 03:33.24 | ccox | could be one data center |
| 03:33.25 | NightHawkTheSane | strange. |
| 03:33.26 | Thunder_Child | ccox, seattle datacenter is down |
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| 03:33.30 | Shirik | Or better yet, an application with embedded Lua |
| 03:33.32 | Thunder_Child | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21333614678&sid=1 |
| 03:33.36 | ccox | that would do it |
| 03:33.57 | Shirik | amalgalized (sp) |
| 03:33.57 | batbot | Shirik, nothing found. |
| 03:34.00 | Shirik | you suck batbot |
| 03:34.15 | alestane | amalgamated (sp) |
| 03:34.16 | batbot | alestane, amalgamated is correct. |
| 03:35.27 | Shirik | whatever |
| 03:35.28 | Shirik | that |
| 03:37.22 | Bluspacecow | thunder I like how the first post of that has been edited |
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| 03:38.05 | DWSR | Anyone here having problems with instance servers? |
| 03:38.21 | DWSR | Things like frequent DCs, large lag spikes, and so forth? |
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| 03:42.08 | theorbtwo | DWSR: Apparently, the seattle datacentre is down. May or may not be related. |
| 03:43.06 | alestane | FRAGNABBIT! |
| 03:44.20 | Shirik | tackles alestane |
| 03:45.11 | alestane | I was hoping that adding #define LUA_USE_MACOSX to luaconf.h would help, but nothign has changed. |
| 03:48.07 | theorbtwo | alestane: Turn off pch support and see if it starts working. If so, it's something with the pch setup. |
| 03:48.25 | alestane | I have. |
| 03:48.45 | alestane | .pch was a speculation, but doesn't appear to be the problem. |
| 03:49.37 | alestane | The root of the problem appears to stem from "/Users/nevin/Projects/StepSpritely/Lua/loslib.c:58: error: 'LUA_TMPNAMBUFSIZE' undeclared (first use in this function)" |
| 03:49.55 | theorbtwo | Right. Now we can stop thinking along those lines, at least. grep for LUA_TMPNAMBUFSIZE, see where it's supposed to come from? |
| 03:50.29 | alestane | It's defined in luaconf.h. |
| 03:50.50 | theorbtwo | alestane: Inside what #ifdefs? |
| 03:51.46 | alestane | #if defined(LUA_USE_MKSTEMP) |
| 03:52.33 | alestane | Which leads to |
| 03:52.33 | alestane | #if defined(LUA_USE_POSIX) |
| 03:52.33 | alestane | #define LUA_USE_MKSTEMP |
| 03:52.52 | alestane | Which leads to |
| 03:52.52 | alestane | #if defined(LUA_USE_MACOSX) |
| 03:52.52 | alestane | #define LUA_USE_POSIX |
| 03:53.03 | Shirik | Where did you define LUA_USE_MACOSX? |
| 03:53.08 | Shirik | It really should be in the compile options |
| 03:53.10 | alestane | Top of luaconf.h |
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| 03:53.16 | Shirik | gcc would do this as -DLUA_USE_MACOSX |
| 03:53.44 | alestane | Xcode apparently uses gcc to do its dirty work, but gods only know how I tell it to do that, since normally it's defined by the makefile. |
| 03:54.10 | alestane | And I have no idea how to integrate a makefile into an Xcode project. |
| 03:54.40 | alestane | I actually have "compiling Lua in Xcode" googled in another window at this point. |
| 03:55.05 | Shirik | is there a particular reason you didn't just use make to do this? :) |
| 03:55.06 | theorbtwo | alestane: Try finding the project file, and loading it in a text editor. |
| 03:55.20 | theorbtwo | (Or possibly an editor for binary attribute list thingies.) |
| 03:55.45 | alestane | Shirik: Because I'm trying to incorporate Lua into a Carbon project, and don't feel like manually building makefiles? |
| 03:56.02 | alestane | I'm even less familiar with the "traditional" compilation strategies. |
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| 03:58.57 | Seerah | tackles Shirik and catches him off guard! |
| 03:59.58 | Shirik | tickles Seerah |
| 04:00.46 | alestane | "The best advice I ever got on using Lua is to use the stack as little as possible. Don't push function arguments on the stack if you're calling between C and Lua. Instead, put all the arguments in a table and push that. That way you get named parameters to the function, and you don't have to track stack depth." |
| 04:00.46 | alestane | ...sounds like someone who really didn't want to be bridging C and Lua. |
| 04:01.43 | theorbtwo | alestane: Sounds fairly wise to me -- if you can get more features for less work, call it a win and move on. |
| 04:02.32 | alestane | ...until you see how much time you're losing to memory churn, I suspect. |
| 04:02.58 | cogwheel | yeah, but that's the kind of optimization you worry about when performance measurements tell you to :P |
| 04:03.13 | alestane | And I'm not sure how valid the assessment "less work" really is. |
| 04:04.30 | theorbtwo | I've not mucked around with lua much, but if it's anything like perl's C binding layer, then doing more in actual lua code and less in C is a very good thing. |
| 04:04.56 | alestane | I don't think it saves you much C code overall. |
| 04:05.36 | alestane | All I think it really saves you is learning how the stack works. |
| 04:08.00 | Shadowed | Passing lots of tables, this sounds like an amazing idea :< |
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| 04:15.02 | cogwheel | ponders putting Brainfuck under "languages" |
| 04:16.53 | DWSR | It is. It's Turing Complete. |
| 04:17.14 | WobWork | This is an endorsement? =P |
| 04:18.35 | alestane | Apparently Snow Leopard doesn't install 'make' by default. |
| 04:19.06 | WobWork | alestane: don't be silly, Apple will make it -for- you |
| 04:19.09 | NightHawkTheSane | i would expect that dev tools does |
| 04:19.27 | alestane | You can install it, you just have to ask. |
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| 04:19.49 | alestane | wishes he'd remembered that was a Leopard installer before he started it. |
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| 04:20.24 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 04:20.37 | Shirik | How to know when you royally fucked up |
| 04:20.54 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* why do i have no luck lvl'ing shammys and druids |
| 04:20.59 | Shirik | debugger invoked on a SB-KERNEL::CONTROL-STACK-EXHAUSTED: |
| 04:21.00 | Shirik | PROCEED WITH CAUTION. |
| 04:21.18 | Shirik | The debugger tells you "PROCEED WITH CAUTION" |
| 04:23.44 | DWSR | lol |
| 04:25.10 | Lunessa | Night all. |
| 04:30.02 | cogwheel | DWSR: for a resume... :P |
| 04:30.21 | cogwheel | BF |
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| 04:31.19 | Cairenn | cogwheel: btw, sowwy, and happy belated birthday! |
| 04:31.29 | Cairenn | (can't believe I missed it :( ) |
| 04:31.31 | cogwheel | <3 |
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| 04:45.04 | alestane | Gonna try this again tomorrow. |
| 04:52.05 | cogwheel | so... a family friend has had 2 fb accounts and i have never asked why... but anyway, recently I've seen two new accounts in the name of their dogs. I look at the wall and it's all FarmVille and Mafia Wars >< |
| 04:54.18 | Thunder_Child | you need new friends |
| 04:57.18 | ZorbaTHut | man, I've said this before and I'll say it again, but I love incompetent gankers. few things have got to be worse than getting off the first shot and then dying while your opponent is at 95% health. |
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| 04:59.24 | ZorbaTHut | ilvl170 hunter, with spellpower gear, trying to jump an ilvl223 warrior. what on earth was he thinking |
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| 05:03.11 | Thunder_Child | thats hunters are OP? |
| 05:05.02 | Zyn | hunters are pretty shit now though, die so easily, and only good if one survivor have ran off by himself like a real douce, so the hunter can pounce away all day ... Jockey is more fun |
| 05:05.11 | Zyn | oh .. wrong game |
| 05:05.12 | Zyn | ¯\(°_o)/¯ |
| 05:05.16 | NightHawkTheSane | wikivenge: http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/4569/tramp.jpg |
| 05:06.49 | kd3 | whee |
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| 05:24.44 | cogwheel | glutton cat is gluttonous... moaning, and wailing, "Feed me!" |
| 05:51.14 | Shirik | tackles cogwheel |
| 05:55.57 | cogwheel | is tackled |
| 05:56.15 | cogwheel | tries to tackle Word for sucking |
| 05:58.54 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 05:58.56 | Fisker | my friend |
| 05:59.20 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 05:59.21 | Shirik | my friend |
| 05:59.24 | Fisker | no |
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| 06:03.54 | NightHawkTheSane | is about to do 10-man kt with 5 melee dps (not including two tanks) |
| 06:05.38 | Shirik | why so no Fisker? |
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| 06:06.58 | NightHawkTheSane | http://i.imgur.com/We3KK.jpg |
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| 06:28.05 | Fisker | outfarts NightHawkTheSane |
| 06:28.49 | Zyn | farts and explodes |
| 06:30.16 | Fisker | ignites the fart and explodes teh whole world |
| 06:30.44 | Ancu | You guys have been watching too much south park |
| 06:32.57 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 06:33.00 | Fisker | you want gulftown? |
| 06:33.34 | bleeter | http://www.suntdestept.ro/epic-fail-from-bolivian-police/ |
| 06:33.48 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 06:33.56 | Shirik | you wouldn't discuss document 10.1109/ICCSIT.2009.5234470 |
| 06:34.16 | Fisker | i would not |
| 06:34.38 | Fisker | lols bleeter |
| 06:34.41 | Shirik | wtf is gulftown |
| 06:35.00 | Shirik | lmao bleeter |
| 06:35.11 | Fisker | seriously Shirik |
| 06:35.13 | Fisker | SERIOUSLY |
| 06:35.22 | Fisker | http://pclab.pl/art39718.html |
| 06:35.49 | Shirik | seriously Fisker |
| 06:35.51 | Shirik | http://www.computer.org/portal/web/csdl/doi/10.1109/ICCSIT.2009.5234470 |
| 06:38.12 | Fisker | but giev gulftown |
| 06:38.14 | Fisker | and fermi |
| 06:39.26 | Shirik | I give you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNPmJ2QwzWQ |
| 06:40.24 | Fisker | i would rather fart you in the face |
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| 06:44.34 | Fisker | slaps tekkub around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:51.46 | Fisker | kd3 |
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| 07:06.02 | Thunder_Child | wtb uptime on my server > 0 |
| 07:08.07 | Fisker | OH NOS |
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| 07:08.40 | Fisker | Pirates are selling ad space, and advertising agencies is using it! |
| 07:09.11 | Fisker | And because x corporation(i.e. Microsoft) is buying advertising space through advertising agency = MICROSOFT SUPPORTS PIRACY WEEEEEEEE |
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| 07:10.35 | Fisker | this is outrageous |
| 07:11.24 | Thunder_Child | supports piracy of Fisker |
| 07:12.30 | Fisker | you wouldn't copy a Fisker |
| 07:12.50 | Thunder_Child | copies a Fisker |
| 07:12.51 | NightHawkTheSane | i would, only so i could kill it over and over |
| 07:13.17 | Fisker | that's mean |
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| 07:23.25 | Fisker | that's mean Cairenn |
| 07:25.35 | Shirik | Cairenn is never mean |
| 07:26.14 | Fisker | i didn't say she was |
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| 07:35.02 | Shirik | This is going to sound really stupid |
| 07:35.23 | Shirik | is x*(x^n) - y*(y^n) == (x-y)(x^n - y^n) ? |
| 07:35.31 | Shirik | I don't think it is, but it would be really cool if it is |
| 07:35.58 | Fisker | it's not |
| 07:36.21 | Shirik | do you really know that or are you just saying? :P |
| 07:36.29 | krka | let's see |
| 07:36.32 | Fisker | i wouldn't troll a Shirik |
| 07:36.45 | Fisker | atleast i'll have a 50% chance of being right |
| 07:36.55 | Cide- | no, it's not |
| 07:37.01 | Shirik | gah |
| 07:37.03 | krka | (x-y)(x^n - y^n) = x*x^n + x*y^n - y*x^n + y*y^n |
| 07:37.04 | Shirik | I'm so close |
| 07:37.09 | Shirik | sooo cloooose |
| 07:37.16 | Cide- | what are you doing? |
| 07:37.20 | Fisker | see Shirik |
| 07:37.22 | Fisker | i was right |
| 07:37.22 | krka | don't really see why you'd think they'd be equal |
| 07:37.24 | Shirik | a proof |
| 07:37.28 | Shirik | krka: I didn't think they were |
| 07:37.33 | Shirik | it just would let me finish my proof if they were |
| 07:37.41 | Cide- | krka: for values x,y = 0, they are! |
| 07:37.50 | Shirik | Cide-: actually that would break the rest of the proof |
| 07:37.51 | Cide- | well, where are you at? |
| 07:37.58 | Shirik | x and y MUST be non-equal, or else everything falls apart |
| 07:38.02 | Cide- | ya, then you're screwed |
| 07:38.36 | krka | what's the proof you need to prove? |
| 07:38.41 | Shirik | It's part of a test :P |
| 07:38.54 | Shirik | At least let me solve it first and then I'll tell you |
| 07:39.00 | Cide- | "if x and y are two real numbers, prove x = y" |
| 07:39.06 | Shirik | no >< |
| 07:39.23 | Cide- | "first we begin by proving x != y" |
| 07:39.35 | Fisker | you must trust me completely Shirik |
| 07:39.42 | Cide- | I have never done this before |
| 07:40.24 | Shirik | Basically, I need to factor a x^n - y^n out of x*x^n - y*y^n |
| 07:40.27 | Shirik | if I can do that, I'm home free |
| 07:40.36 | Shirik | (well, if the results are what I want) |
| 07:40.45 | zenzio | <Shirik> I'm so close <Shirik> sooo cloooose <--- TMI |
| 07:41.30 | Fisker | stop it zenzio |
| 07:41.49 | zenzio | never |
| 07:43.17 | Cide- | Shirik: enjoy |
| 07:43.20 | Cide- | I don't think it's doable |
| 07:43.27 | Shirik | neither do I, I may have to go back a bit |
| 07:43.29 | krka | unlike your mom! |
| 07:44.51 | krka | yeah, that sounds hard to factor out, since both terms are independent apart from n |
| 07:45.23 | Shirik | maybe I'm thinking about the problem in the wrong manner |
| 07:46.35 | krka | what's the original question? |
| 07:47.22 | Shirik | For all integer values of n >= 1, prove that x^n - y^n is divisible by x - y, assuming x ~= y |
| 07:48.06 | Shirik | I have gotten to the "Assume x^n - y^n is divisible by x-y, prove x^(n+1) - y^(n+1) is divisible by x-y" stage |
| 07:48.39 | Elkano | oh, sounds like induction |
| 07:48.43 | Shirik | it is |
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| 07:48.58 | Shirik | So I ran to xx^n - yy^n |
| 07:49.01 | Shirik | which looks promising |
| 07:49.08 | Shirik | but I can't find a way to find a x^n-y^n in there |
| 07:49.46 | Shirik | oh well I'm not worried about this right now |
| 07:49.57 | Shirik | time to take a little break |
| 07:49.58 | krka | looks sort of like a binomial theorem-thingy |
| 07:50.01 | Cide- | krka: yep |
| 07:50.16 | Shirik | tbh, I should use my theorem prover to tell me how it does it |
| 07:50.20 | Shirik | why don't I do that... |
| 07:52.01 | bleeter | ouch, so a couple of US battlegroups died 5 hours ago... |
| 07:52.13 | krka | i think i ahve something now... hm |
| 07:52.34 | Fisker | i'm not sure Shirik's mom is doable krka |
| 07:52.38 | bleeter | Forum GM indicates maybe power outage at the datacentre lol |
| 07:52.56 | Fisker | old bleeter |
| 07:54.11 | Thunder_Child | thanks for reminding me i cant play bleeter |
| 07:54.14 | bleeter | lol |
| 07:54.14 | Thunder_Child | ~lart bleeter |
| 07:54.14 | purl | takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking bleeter's head off |
| 07:54.30 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: did you know power's restored but the realms are still dead, though? :P |
| 07:54.34 | krka | Shirik: your x*x^n thingy is useful i think |
| 07:54.37 | krka | i deduced the following |
| 07:54.41 | krka | (a - b)(a + b) = a^2 - b^2 |
| 07:54.47 | krka | if n is even: |
| 07:54.51 | krka | (x^(n/2) - y^(n/2))*(x^(n/2) + y^(n/2)) |
| 07:54.51 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, cant play is cant play, regardless of the reason |
| 07:54.57 | bleeter | tbh, I dropped by to have a moan that they're not doing staggered oceanic restarts like they do with some hotfixes |
| 07:55.05 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: all other battlegroups dead, eh? :P |
| 07:55.07 | krka | so you can use induction to reduce it to where n/2 gets t0 1 |
| 07:55.19 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, huh? |
| 07:55.24 | krka | if n is odd, you can use your subtheorem |
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| 07:56.50 | Shirik | I'm going to see how acl2 does it |
| 07:56.56 | Shirik | I just can't remember how to raise to a power |
| 07:57.19 | Thunder_Child | with the amish |
| 08:00.49 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: did you hear this one about the Battlegroup engis? 'Reports from the field indicate that they have taken to grunting at people who bug them and interrupt their work.' |
| 08:00.58 | bleeter | grunts |
| 08:01.31 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, oh? your a battlegroup engineer? |
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| 08:05.05 | Fisker | slaps bleeter around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:05.06 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:07.30 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: nah forum GM reporting on his last discussion with them ;) |
| 08:08.10 | bleeter | trouts Fisker around with a large Thunder_Child |
| 08:10.35 | zenzio | "Why, this very comment prints a list of prime numbers less than one hundred!" |
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| 08:15.12 | Shirik | oh, my server is down |
| 08:15.28 | Shirik | krka: My proof proves itself |
| 08:15.33 | Shirik | I declare my prove solved |
| 08:15.36 | Thunder_Child | 2000+ post and counting |
| 08:15.38 | Shirik | it goes in a large circle |
| 08:15.47 | Shirik | therefore as long as you assume some part of it, it works |
| 08:16.06 | Shirik | so you assume one part, I will assume another part, and we can independently verify each other's parts |
| 08:16.09 | Shirik | and thus it will be proven! |
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| 08:16.46 | Shirik | wow, how long have servers been down? |
| 08:16.55 | Thunder_Child | since 7 pm PST |
| 08:17.23 | krka | err, are you seriously arguing that circular proofs are valid? |
| 08:17.37 | Shirik | lol no |
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| 08:19.33 | krka | if you make an assumption you either need to prove it independently, or use the assumption to reach a logic error and use that to prove something negative |
| 08:19.54 | Shirik | yeah I know :P |
| 08:19.56 | Thunder_Child | anyone know of a free timeline program? |
| 08:19.56 | Shirik | I just gave up for now |
| 08:20.24 | zenzio | what sort of timeline; just simple graphical? |
| 08:20.26 | Shirik | timeline? |
| 08:20.55 | Thunder_Child | zenzio, uhh...vs.? |
| 08:20.58 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, yes |
| 08:21.22 | zenzio | versus for example video timelines, or lord knows what other kinds |
| 08:22.06 | Thunder_Child | soemthing that lets me do http://nazifsalleh.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/iphone-timeline.jpg this |
| 08:22.15 | Thunder_Child | but with custom dates |
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| 08:29.48 | zenzio | my Googling isn't going well for this, but you could consider http://www.simile-widgets.org/timeline/ |
| 08:29.54 | Fisker | haha Thunder_Child |
| 08:30.22 | Thunder_Child | zenzio, saw that, tis online and the source code isnt helpful to me |
| 08:31.21 | zenzio | I'm a bit surprised there doesn't appear to be (within the scope of what I could google up) any half-decent open source program for this |
| 08:31.24 | Fisker | touches zenzio in the pants |
| 08:31.24 | Thunder_Child | zenzio, which is too bad because it works great |
| 08:31.30 | Thunder_Child | i know :( |
| 08:33.19 | Shirik | admiral ackbar!! |
| 08:33.26 | Shirik | it's a trap! |
| 08:36.01 | Fisker | it is not a trap |
| 08:36.18 | Shirik | yes it is |
| 08:36.52 | Thunder_Child | i'm with fisker on this one |
| 08:36.53 | Fisker | prove it |
| 08:36.59 | Thunder_Child | it's kinda spelled out |
| 08:37.20 | Shirik | (defun isTrap(x) T) |
| 08:37.36 | Shirik | (thm isTrap(n)) |
| 08:38.09 | zenzio | clearly your problem is that you're defunning it, making it boring |
| 08:38.27 | Thunder_Child | ~lart zenzio |
| 08:38.27 | purl | stamps zenzio on the forehead with the official Troll marker |
| 08:38.31 | Thunder_Child | ~pun zenzio |
| 08:38.36 | Thunder_Child | ~pun |
| 08:38.36 | purl | I should be punish'ed for every pun I shed; leave not a puny shred of \my punnish head |
| 08:38.42 | Shirik | ACL2 !>(thm (isTrap)) |
| 08:38.42 | Shirik | But we reduce the conjecture to T, by the :type-prescription rule ISTRAP. |
| 08:38.42 | Shirik | Q.E.D. |
| 08:38.45 | Thunder_Child | why do i dod that |
| 08:38.50 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 08:38.50 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Thunder_Child. I hate you because you fail. |
| 08:39.04 | Shirik | ~lart zenzelezz |
| 08:39.04 | purl | shoots zenzelezz in the head |
| 08:39.07 | Shirik | I just got that... |
| 08:40.42 | Shirik | ACL2 !>(thm fisker) |
| 08:40.52 | Shirik | This simplifies, using trivial observations, to NIL |
| 08:41.07 | Shirik | I loled ^ |
| 08:42.28 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 08:42.30 | Fisker | vil du 31108? |
| 08:42.30 | industrial | Shirik: ping |
| 08:42.38 | Shirik | no |
| 08:42.41 | Shirik | vil du 80113 |
| 08:42.43 | Thunder_Child | ~vs Shirik Fisker |
| 08:42.44 | purl | in a one on one showdown, wait, whats this? Audible has proceded to jump in the ring, thrash Shirik & Fisker, and wins. |
| 08:42.45 | Shirik | hi industrial |
| 08:43.08 | Fisker | jeg vil 31108 Shirik |
| 08:43.21 | Shirik | Fiskers Fisker |
| 08:43.52 | Fisker | you wouldn't |
| 08:44.17 | zenzio | xor Shirik, Shirik |
| 08:45.51 | Shirik | sorry zenzelezz |
| 08:45.56 | Shirik | you did not remove me from existence |
| 08:46.22 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/129380 |
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| 08:49.03 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7j2jWS_Vcw&feature=player_embedded |
| 08:49.05 | Wobin | interesting |
| 08:49.14 | Wobin | Lady Gaga, pre Ga |
| 08:49.35 | zenzio | when she was just Lady Ga? |
| 08:49.52 | Wobin | When she was just good ol' Stefani Germanotta |
| 08:51.03 | Fisker | she has a name? |
| 08:51.18 | zenzio | not any more |
| 08:51.32 | zenzio | members of Project Gaga do not have a name |
| 08:51.42 | Shirik | boop boop be dooooooo |
| 08:51.50 | zenzio | upon death her name will be Robert Paulson |
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| 08:52.34 | Shirik | upon death your name will be jabajabadingdong |
| 08:56.05 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 08:56.12 | Shirik | you wouldn't troll blind |
| 08:56.47 | Fisker | i would if i could |
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| 08:59.56 | Wobin | ahaha |
| 08:59.57 | Wobin | http://gone-hollywood.com/2009/11/robert-pattinson-worried-about-hiv-from-fans/ |
| 09:01.48 | Dagmar | He's getting what he deserves |
| 09:01.49 | zenzio | lol |
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| 09:03.41 | Corrodias | as i understand, he wasn't particularly fond of the role in the first movie |
| 09:03.47 | Corrodias | i don't know what he thinks of it now |
| 09:05.06 | bleeter | apparently dreamhost's gone titsup, too |
| 09:06.02 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 09:06.05 | Dagmar | I think you might be right. |
| 09:06.11 | zenzio | dreamhost? |
| 09:06.37 | Dagmar | It's an inexpensive web host a lot of us use |
| 09:06.55 | Dagmar | They're not always up, but they are _usually_ up, and they're _definitely_ cheap |
| 09:07.31 | Fisker | slaps Dagmar around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:07.48 | Corrodias | mhm |
| 09:08.17 | Corrodias | i don't recall their tos having anything against porn, though they may have changed it (or i could have missed it) |
| 09:14.16 | Wobin | http://volpinprops.blogspot.com/2009/11/aquarium-photoshoot.html |
| 09:14.18 | Wobin | woah |
| 09:14.21 | Wobin | creepy awesome |
| 09:14.42 | Wobin | now -that- is cosplay |
| 09:14.44 | Fisker | licks Wobin |
| 09:14.54 | Fisker | sees things |
| 09:15.50 | Corrodias | neato |
| 09:16.02 | Fisker | doesn't understand all the pretty colors |
| 09:16.54 | Wobin | this may help, Fisker: http://thinkprogress.org/2009/11/23/fox-pie-chart/ |
| 09:18.00 | Dagmar | WOW |
| 09:18.05 | Dagmar | rofls |
| 09:18.31 | Fisker | harr Wobin |
| 09:18.35 | Fisker | It's kinda funny |
| 09:18.46 | Fisker | We just had an election |
| 09:19.21 | Fisker | and the official numbers show that all votes make up 100,1% of all votes |
| 09:19.31 | Fisker | Some other places it's 99,9 |
| 09:19.37 | Fisker | probably rounding errors |
| 09:19.39 | Fisker | but still funny |
| 09:20.58 | Wobin | http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2009/11/mind-blowing-hyperrealistic-sculptures/ |
| 09:21.04 | Wobin | I've seen a few of those before |
| 09:21.08 | Wobin | but not the rest... |
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| 09:22.22 | mitch0 | I didn't dare scrolling all the way down |
| 09:25.31 | Wobin | no actual nudity =P |
| 09:25.34 | Wobin | it's all fake! |
| 09:25.43 | Wobin | but it's damn creepy |
| 09:25.45 | mitch0 | w/e, stil nsfw |
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| 09:30.33 | jnwhiteh | http://apidiff.pastey.net/129383 |
| 09:31.14 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:31.16 | Fisker | oops |
| 09:31.35 | Fisker | what is so awesome about it jnwhiteh? |
| 09:32.39 | Fisker | points a loaded gun at jnwhiteh |
| 09:33.38 | Dagmar | Have you seen this Alganon fail? |
| 09:34.45 | zenzio | the "we're not WoW!" one? |
| 09:35.06 | Dagmar | That would be the one |
| 09:35.26 | Dagmar | Unless they price themselves below WoW, they're just doomed |
| 09:35.30 | Dagmar | It's kinda sad, really. |
| 09:35.43 | zenzio | I agree that games can look similar, but Alganon is taking it much too far |
| 09:35.54 | Dagmar | It's just eerie how much of the UI was cloned tho |
| 09:36.04 | zenzio | yeah |
| 09:36.10 | mitch0 | hey, maybe all our addons work in it then :P |
| 09:36.16 | Dagmar | I've been running through OB hoping they'll get their act together in time to change |
| 09:36.25 | Dagmar | mitch0: Dude I really did think about trying a few of themn |
| 09:36.29 | zenzio | first time I saw it I was wondering if I was looking at old (beta) WoW screenshots |
| 09:36.29 | Dagmar | It's lua based. |
| 09:36.40 | Dagmar | That's what i was thinking as well |
| 09:37.04 | Dagmar | They've got about the same poly count as WoW, but their artists lack inspiration. |
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| 09:38.19 | Dagmar | But hey, at least they've definitely _not_ borrowed anything but the UI |
| 09:38.39 | Dagmar | Unlike a certain other game that lifted The Green Hills of Stranglethorn down to the page numbers |
| 09:39.05 | Trela | What game is that? |
| 09:39.16 | Dagmar | Runes of Magic I think it was, I'm not sure |
| 09:40.19 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 09:40.22 | Dagmar | Its even mentioned http://www.mmocrunch.com/2009/09/20/the-first-ten-hours-runes-of-magic/ |
| 09:40.53 | Dagmar | Their idea of outdoor elite mobs is also deranged. |
| 09:41.22 | Dagmar | One might take three guys, or it might take more than one group, and you can't tell until you sign your own death warrant by firing the first shot |
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| 09:41.47 | Fisker | :) |
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| 09:43.33 | Dagmar | Their (Alganon) GMs and Devs were online this weekend and playing |
| 09:43.37 | Dagmar | I saw a few of 'em |
| 09:43.49 | Dagmar | I felt it would be inappropriate to offer my condolences. |
| 09:44.36 | olafski_ | The original designer of the quest has admitted that itâs the worst quest in WoW for numerous reasons. Yet the creators of Runes of Maker copied it, right down to the required page numbers. Howâs that for a synopsis of quest design? |
| 09:44.40 | olafski_ | giggle |
| 09:45.50 | Dagmar | Yeah man my jaw just _dropped_ at the sheer gall to clone the chapter and page numbers. |
| 09:46.14 | olafski_ | yer :< |
| 09:46.25 | Dagmar | I did the same damn thing I did in WoW for GHoST, too. I just ran to the Auction House and bought 'em |
| 09:46.56 | Dagmar | ...but like Alganon gives the appearance of something you'd find at the dollar store. |
| 09:47.51 | Dagmar | The artwork alone is going to kill them |
| 09:50.16 | Dagmar | It's like, slightly better than EQ. |
| 09:50.19 | Dagmar | The first one. |
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| 09:51.42 | zenzio | while i only played EQ2 for a couple of weeks, I liked how the game looked |
| 09:52.08 | olafski | hah I like yahtzee's conclusion about dragon age |
| 09:52.22 | Dagmar | He can't have finished it yet |
| 09:52.24 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 09:52.34 | Dagmar | That damn thing IS LOOONGCAT long |
| 09:53.04 | Dagmar | zenzio: It wasn't bad |
| 09:53.09 | olafski | no he does say he hasn't finished it |
| 09:53.12 | Dagmar | zenzio: They erred with the new player models tho |
| 09:53.29 | olafski | but his conclusion is something like "if you like fantasy rpgs dragon age is for you, if you don't like fantasy rpgs then you could always just go and have sex" ;) |
| 09:53.35 | Dagmar | olafski: I was banging on it for a WHILE and I know I'm only maybe 2/3 done |
| 09:53.59 | Dagmar | I haven't actually been bothering with any romance whatevers |
| 09:54.05 | zenzio | I was a little surprised by the number of dragons in DA:O... from the name I had expected 50%+ of the enemies to be dragons |
| 09:54.06 | Dagmar | Dwarf. |
| 09:54.38 | Dagmar | After my first dragon, I was rather relieved when things turned out to NOT be dragons. |
| 09:55.02 | Dagmar | ...although, it's pretty awesome that it's like fighting WoW bosses in stop-motion. ) |
| 09:55.06 | Dagmar | :) |
| 09:55.36 | Dagmar | I effed up and went after Flemeth the first time I got the chance. |
| 09:56.23 | olafski | dagmar: I haven't looked at it at all :P |
| 09:56.29 | Dagmar | I _tried_ to find a non-violent solution, and then the game just laughed at me |
| 09:56.38 | zenzio | once I got some FR gear, dragons went better, but usually my rogue ended up tanking them, not my templar |
| 09:57.02 | Dagmar | "Hhahah! Her daughter is a shapeshifter, and she's just a noob. What do you think Flemeth might turn into?" |
| 09:57.24 | Dagmar | My level 12 noobs were a light snack |
| 09:57.37 | Dagmar | I *so* should have seen that coming. |
| 09:58.32 | Dagmar | olafski: I give my npcs gifts because good ones give them extra skill points. |
| 09:59.02 | olafski | :o |
| 09:59.06 | Dagmar | I understand that this could _lead_ to the romance bits, but I'm rather interested in getting more dragonbone stuff. :) |
| 09:59.20 | olafski | I have no idea what the game is about ,) |
| 09:59.30 | Dagmar | There's not enough dialog options that amount to "Which way to the enemies with loot?" |
| 09:59.45 | Dagmar | It's an RPG like Oblivion |
| 10:00.08 | Dagmar | Except if you buy the PC version, it's assumed you're also a tactics RPG god. |
| 10:00.43 | Dagmar | So like, you and your three various henchman set out to destroy a massive horde of demon-fueled chuds and take their stuff. |
| 10:02.07 | Dagmar | The combat mechanics are apparently simplfied for people playing on a console. |
| 10:02.43 | Dagmar | That wouldn't work for me |
| 10:02.59 | Dagmar | I actually like it when these games throw a LOT of enemies at me at once. I just pull out some mages. :) |
| 10:03.07 | Corrodias | like Oblivion? only tangentially |
| 10:03.33 | Dagmar | Yeah I think it's pretty laughable that it runs better than Oblivion |
| 10:03.36 | Corrodias | it's more like NWN or BG, though i admit never having played BG, though i did play planescape torment |
| 10:03.51 | Dagmar | It's a LOT like NWN2 |
| 10:03.59 | Dagmar | A great deal of the interface is quite the same |
| 10:04.04 | Dagmar | Stacking the stats works just as well, too. |
| 10:04.09 | Corrodias | except done right :V |
| 10:04.14 | Dagmar | I can make my guys mostly untouchable |
| 10:04.22 | Dagmar | ''cept dragons. |
| 10:04.26 | Corrodias | you're doing better than i am, so far, then |
| 10:04.35 | Dagmar | Dragons are MEAN and will eat you |
| 10:04.48 | Corrodias | but i haven't played it in like a week because of l4d2 taking big chunks of time out of my day |
| 10:04.59 | Dagmar | I have to do a lot of spacebar micromanagement to not lose people to them |
| 10:05.10 | Dagmar | I tried their demo |
| 10:05.15 | olafski | doesn't sound like my game ,) |
| 10:05.18 | Corrodias | at level 12? that seems a bit early |
| 10:05.20 | olafski | which is what I initially thought when I saw bioware made it |
| 10:05.25 | Dagmar | I didn't expect the more modern _athletic_ version of zombies |
| 10:05.58 | Dagmar | Corrodias: Yes, do NOT go challenge Flemeth on behalf of Morrigan when you first get the chance. |
| 10:05.59 | Dagmar | Hehe |
| 10:06.03 | Dagmar | It will go *badly* |
| 10:06.21 | Corrodias | i've seen the result, and yes, i will be waiting for a while before reconsidering that approach |
| 10:06.31 | Dagmar | I'm kinda thinking I might just finish killing a few thousand darkspawn manually first |
| 10:07.08 | Dagmar | I respect them for punishing me like that. hehe |
| 10:07.18 | Corrodias | but damn. it seems like every fight must be carefully managed with my mage. maybe you found a powerful combination of spells, but with my party, it's a fight every time |
| 10:07.36 | Dagmar | You actually _need_ a guy in massive armor |
| 10:07.54 | Dagmar | Life gets much easier with a guy you've picked as a tank |
| 10:07.58 | Corrodias | i have one. unsurprisingly, he's the first to go down if i'm not carefully healing. |
| 10:08.07 | Corrodias | as i manage my other output |
| 10:08.08 | Dagmar | Specifically, the "massive" armor has it's own coolio extra threat. |
| 10:08.25 | Dagmar | Once you pick up Wynne she's a great healer |
| 10:08.38 | Corrodias | yes, but i'm not using wynn because she is reserved for a future playthrough |
| 10:08.42 | Dagmar | You won't be able to pick her up the first time you meet her tho |
| 10:09.02 | Dagmar | Teach your tank sword and board. |
| 10:09.31 | Corrodias | i did |
| 10:09.35 | Corrodias | he's not invincible. |
| 10:09.58 | Dagmar | Yeah but he can buy you time to focus fire |
| 10:10.02 | Corrodias | i have a fool notion to play through a few times, should i somehow have the nerve to do so, using different party members each time |
| 10:10.17 | Corrodias | i'm sorry, you must think i'm a terrible noob |
| 10:10.24 | Corrodias | to be telling me things like that :( |
| 10:10.31 | Dagmar | No, the game is legitimately hard |
| 10:11.03 | Corrodias | well, just so you know, i have been doing all those things |
| 10:11.42 | Dagmar | The Orlesian girl can be a nightmare with poisons |
| 10:11.55 | Corrodias | do they work on ranged weapons? |
| 10:12.04 | Dagmar | I don't know, actually. |
| 10:12.18 | Corrodias | i take it you had her refocus and let the skill points in archery go to waste, then |
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| 10:12.31 | Dagmar | I don't think they do. I think I accidentally used one when she had a bow out once and it didn't do anything until I switched back to dual +15% backstabbers |
| 10:12.32 | Corrodias | hell, what do they call them in that game? talent points. |
| 10:12.59 | Dagmar | Yeah, I didn't bother changing her spec, I just added more backstabing and poisons. |
| 10:13.07 | Corrodias | read: any backstabbing |
| 10:13.23 | Dagmar | ...and anything that will increase the damage of backstabbing. |
| 10:13.30 | Corrodias | all i'm saying there is that she comes with multiple talents already spent on archery |
| 10:13.43 | Dagmar | Yes, there's some nice bows, too. |
| 10:13.50 | Corrodias | if i wanted a melee rogue, i suppose i'd take the one already specced for that. |
| 10:14.05 | Dagmar | I take another approach. |
| 10:14.26 | Dagmar | She doesn't have to run over to someone to hurt them if I need damage done to a guy _right then_ |
| 10:14.36 | Corrodias | but again, reserved for a future playthrough. when i'm playing the mage, he's probably going to be better managed than future games when the AI handles it, so i need to save some of the more powerful people for then. |
| 10:14.37 | Dagmar | Good bow plus fire arrows... It's handy |
| 10:14.53 | Dagmar | I tried playing as a mage at first |
| 10:14.59 | Dagmar | Kept running out of mana |
| 10:15.53 | Dagmar | I _really_ like that earthquake spell |
| 10:16.39 | Dagmar | The earthquake spell, plus the golem's blizzard of boulders really makes some things much, much simpler. :) |
| 10:16.41 | Corrodias | i took different spell paths that don't include that, although i did encounter an ally using it once (which promptly threw all my people, as well as the enemies, on our asses) |
| 10:16.45 | Fisker | slaps Dagmar around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:16.45 | Fisker | slaps Corrodias around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:17.02 | Dagmar | Yes, the key is to _run away_ a bit. Heh |
| 10:17.03 | Corrodias | actually, i think he misaimed it, and only got my party |
| 10:17.07 | Dagmar | "Don't be in it." |
| 10:17.11 | Corrodias | "thanks a bunch, guy" |
| 10:17.17 | Dagmar | Yeah, friendly fire is a bitch sometimes |
| 10:17.40 | Dagmar | ...but it's nice when you start a good distance away from the enemy |
| 10:18.08 | Dagmar | The bard's third song is pure joy |
| 10:18.15 | Corrodias | they close quickly, which is alleviated somewhat by the use of earthquake, yes. one of the more powerful spells. i tend not to be so lucky without it. |
| 10:18.20 | Dagmar | A nice channeled, area-effect stun. |
| 10:18.45 | Dagmar | You will eventually get more large-radius AOEs you can add to Earthquake. |
| 10:19.01 | Corrodias | no, i will never have earthquake |
| 10:19.08 | Dagmar | I have lately taken to not being fair at all indoors. |
| 10:19.26 | Corrodias | i chose a different route. although i must admit i'm not entirely happy with Waking Nightmare |
| 10:19.44 | Corrodias | most of the time the effect seems to be to make all enemies in the area attack my mage. |
| 10:19.45 | Dagmar | If I think there's a buncha guys in there, I'll open the door, toss in earthquake, the hail of rocks, a lightning storm, and throw in a poison vial and just close the door. |
| 10:20.11 | Dagmar | After a minute or so, when the screams have quieted down, I go in and loot everything. |
| 10:20.44 | Corrodias | meanwhile my only methods of keeping enemies at a distance are glyph of warding and fireball, which are unreliable against half the enemies and very hard to use in close quarters, respectively |
| 10:21.04 | Dagmar | Yep. I use Shield Bash and Pommel Strike and those nice little insta stuns to beat them off my clothies |
| 10:21.19 | Dagmar | Stuns are very important |
| 10:21.38 | Corrodias | yes, that will handle 2 enemies |
| 10:21.48 | Dagmar | Yer tank can pretty much stun two guys and then fight the third. |
| 10:22.12 | Corrodias | hopefully the other four enemies are held off by the glyph, because they'll slaughter the tank if they're aggrod on him |
| 10:22.14 | Dagmar | The rogues get a stun, Morrigan has that nice AoE stun |
| 10:22.33 | Dagmar | You definitely need the massive armor then |
| 10:22.44 | Corrodias | i believe he has decent armor for this point |
| 10:23.10 | Corrodias | actually, the fights haven't been so bad since he got the Cheaters' Armor from the dlc |
| 10:23.30 | Dagmar | My dwarf and Alistair can't really swing their weapons all that fast, but they can stand there and block just about everything with Shield Wall up |
| 10:23.33 | Corrodias | i call it that because it feels like i paid to cheat with it |
| 10:23.43 | Dagmar | ...and nothing can get past 'em |
| 10:23.55 | Corrodias | get past them? are you playing the same game as i am? |
| 10:24.06 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 10:24.18 | Corrodias | you can't block movement past a character just by positioning/attacking |
| 10:24.39 | Dagmar | Yeah, but you can definitely knock them down and stun them and generally keep them from getting past you |
| 10:24.48 | Dagmar | Seriously, I make it my first priority |
| 10:25.19 | Corrodias | well, never mind, it sounds like your fights are over a lot faster than mine |
| 10:25.24 | Corrodias | you're obviously doing it right |
| 10:25.55 | Dagmar | I also gratuitously abuse chokepoints, block doors, and keep a large and healthy stock of poisoned grenades. :) |
| 10:26.24 | Dagmar | I wasn't kidding about the "open a door for a moment, chuck a few spells in, and close the door" thing. it works. |
| 10:26.47 | Dagmar | If they didn't _see_ you do it, they generally never figure out you're just outside. |
| 10:27.31 | Corrodias | i don't want to be a negative kind of guy, but all i can say is that my experience is extremely different from yours |
| 10:27.50 | Dagmar | I've played a lot of D&D I guess. |
| 10:27.55 | Corrodias | they always aggro immediately upon opening doors, sometimes earlier |
| 10:28.20 | Dagmar | If you're standing right in the door, definitely. |
| 10:28.20 | Corrodias | if there's no door, they won't wait for line of sight, it's "i hear something, let's kick ass" |
| 10:28.32 | Dagmar | If you're standing to one side of it being discrete about things, not so much. |
| 10:29.07 | Dagmar | Earthquake probably helps |
| 10:29.14 | Corrodias | an interesting concept; how do you cast spells/potions into the room? into the corner you can see? |
| 10:29.25 | Corrodias | into the doorway itself? |
| 10:29.28 | Dagmar | I use the spacebar a _lot_ |
| 10:29.50 | Corrodias | as do i, but that doesn't answer the question of... -where-, not how, sorry |
| 10:29.57 | Dagmar | You click to open the door with it paused, you then basically double-tap the spacebar just long enough for the door to open and then pause it again. |
| 10:30.07 | Corrodias | you can't do it into the middle of the room if you aren't in the doorway, so... |
| 10:30.30 | Wobin | I use the space bar too much |
| 10:30.30 | Dagmar | Then you move your casters to where they can cast, _if_ they need to be moved at all, unpause while they move, then immediately pause again and place your shots |
| 10:30.34 | Wobin | cause I always try to jump =( |
| 10:30.53 | Corrodias | and the enemies just stare at them like D: and don't do anything |
| 10:31.26 | Dagmar | The moment you've cast the spells, you close the door and move your people away |
| 10:31.31 | Dagmar | The very _moment_. |
| 10:31.45 | Corrodias | funny, my spells aren't immediate. there's a brief casting delay. |
| 10:31.48 | Dagmar | But either way, once earthquake has gone off it's all academic. They can't get out of it |
| 10:31.50 | Corrodias | and i can only do one at a time. |
| 10:32.10 | Corrodias | well, i'm just nitpicking a strategy that obviously works, so this is all irrelevant. |
| 10:33.17 | Corrodias | i suppose my real problem is the idea that somebody else has such an easy time of it while condescendingly admitting it's "a hard game" and describing scenarios that make his characters sound so much more effective than mine, and/or the AI dumber. |
| 10:33.55 | Dagmar | If I weren't taking every cheap shot I could get in a fight, I would get my butt handed to me on a regular basis in this game. |
| 10:34.10 | Dagmar | The stuns really, really help |
| 10:34.19 | Corrodias | you don't get that many! well, i don't get that many. |
| 10:34.28 | Dagmar | Leilana can get song that stuns everyone nearby, repeatedly. |
| 10:34.37 | Dagmar | She also has a single target stun she can use |
| 10:34.40 | Corrodias | one that stands out is the party having to deal with something on the order of 5 archers and 6 melee enemies |
| 10:34.49 | Dagmar | Morrigan has that mind blast thing that affects everything nearby... |
| 10:35.06 | zenzio | I discovered near the end that my favourite way to clear a room is to cast Glyph of Repulsion in a narrow place (door, hall) and then Inferno inside the room |
| 10:35.17 | Corrodias | my mage had to somehow keep about 8 of those occupied while the others handled the stragglers |
| 10:35.51 | Dagmar | Their second class talent I think is a shield |
| 10:36.14 | Corrodias | earlier when i said glyph of warding, i meant repulsion, sorry |
| 10:36.35 | Dagmar | You very much want to have a Self:Any tactic programmed in that just keeps that buff up at all times. Same with Shield Wall |
| 10:36.50 | Corrodias | what class? |
| 10:37.01 | Dagmar | Mages. They three purple shields icon |
| 10:37.13 | Dagmar | It helps them not turn into pincushions |
| 10:37.24 | zenzio | Alistair was pretty good at taking a beating... the problem was he sucked at keeping aggro. Z-whatever would steal it all the time |
| 10:37.40 | Dagmar | The assassin? |
| 10:37.41 | zenzio | and I had to keep micromanaging his targets, or he'd suddenly decide to run away to attack a far of enemy |
| 10:37.46 | zenzio | yes, the bi-curious elf |
| 10:38.00 | Dagmar | Oh yeah I changed them all to always go after the nearest enemy as the last thing in the list |
| 10:38.18 | Dagmar | Him I just let shoot people with a bow, but I don't pull him out much |
| 10:38.19 | zenzio | I'll have that in mind for my next playthrough :) |
| 10:38.38 | zenzio | oh? I use him all the time, as melee |
| 10:38.55 | Dagmar | I think I've maybe spent two whole points getting more combat tactics, but _everyone_ has their combat tactics maxed out |
| 10:39.13 | Corrodias | then where did the other points come from? |
| 10:39.19 | Dagmar | I use Leilana for the melee, just because she can do that "everyone stop and listen to me sing" thing |
| 10:39.27 | zenzio | my typical setup would be me (spirit healer) with Alistair, Morrigan and Z-guy |
| 10:40.06 | Dagmar | Corrodias: The first quarter million or so people who pissed me off |
| 10:40.18 | Corrodias | huh? |
| 10:40.26 | Dagmar | You'll get more points as you level |
| 10:40.27 | Corrodias | you spend two points on combat tactics, but they're maxed out on everyone |
| 10:40.33 | Corrodias | something doesn't match up |
| 10:40.42 | Corrodias | *spent |
| 10:40.48 | Dagmar | Lemme make sure I'm using the exact names |
| 10:41.25 | Dagmar | The next to last thing on one of their skills screens, the same screen that has the poisons and herbalism on it... The icon I think has two gears |
| 10:41.39 | Corrodias | the combat tactics talent has 4 levels; it will take far more than 2 points to get 4 people 4 levels in that |
| 10:41.40 | Dagmar | That one makes your players "tougher" in a generalized sort of way |
| 10:42.12 | Dagmar | The one at the _bottom_ gives your AI more tactics slots |
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| 10:42.43 | Dagmar | It makes your guys make slightly better decisions on their own, i.e., slightly less micro-managing |
| 10:42.50 | Corrodias | i sound like such an asshole. i don't know why i'm so annoyed at the game now, after just hearing that someone else has such an easier time with it. |
| 10:42.55 | Dagmar | ...by givign them new _tactics_ slots |
| 10:43.08 | Corrodias | i see, that affects all the characters, not just your own |
| 10:43.29 | Dagmar | Well, in that all the characters benefir |
| 10:43.31 | zenzio | the assassin, once I remembered to update his tactics (just chose the standard one) became a real killing machine when he had full combat tactics |
| 10:43.32 | Corrodias | yes, i am familiar with tactics and how to use them. |
| 10:43.55 | Corrodias | though not to the extent that you are, of course |
| 10:44.20 | Dagmar | As mucha s I'd liked to have bought them more tactics slots, the skillset above that for just making them more combat-hardened helps too much |
| 10:44.21 | Corrodias | now when you say "when -he- had full combat tactics", you mean when -your- character had full combat tactics? |
| 10:44.33 | Dagmar | The naming in that section sucks |
| 10:44.41 | zenzio | each character has an individual number of tactics slots |
| 10:45.13 | Dagmar | Bleh lemme start the thing and look it up |
| 10:45.32 | Corrodias | your statement contradicts what Dagmar said :| |
| 10:45.48 | Corrodias | combat tactics and combat training are at the bottom |
| 10:45.58 | Corrodias | they both exist for all characters |
| 10:46.23 | zenzio | <Dagmar> The one at the _bottom_ gives your AI more tactics slots <-- this is what I'm talking about |
| 10:46.42 | Corrodias | and he has spent only 2 points on it, maximizing it on all characters? that still doesn't seem right |
| 10:47.04 | Dagmar | No, I only spent two points buying _anyone_ new tactics |
| 10:47.05 | zenzio | I may have inadvertently used the name of the talent in my sentence, I can't recall |
| 10:47.08 | Dagmar | The tactics slots are per NPC |
| 10:47.14 | Dagmar | ...just like the crafting skills. |
| 10:47.41 | Corrodias | okay, so you're saying that you put in 2 per character, at the most |
| 10:47.51 | Dagmar | Combat training. That's what I was looking for |
| 10:47.52 | zenzio | as far as I could tell you can't buy Tomes for your companions... which pissed me off |
| 10:48.40 | Dagmar | That's the one that seems to be the BEST possible place to put points into skills, for everyone, excepting the crafters |
| 10:49.23 | Corrodias | hm. well, don't think i haven't. |
| 10:49.37 | Dagmar | ...although for rogues and warriors, there's no point in buying the third or fourth tier until you need third or fourth talents from their class tree |
| 10:50.43 | Dagmar | That allows you to put some points into Survivalism, which also helps dramatically with not getting bumrushed |
| 10:51.04 | Corrodias | howso? |
| 10:51.12 | Dagmar | Enemies show up on the minimap |
| 10:51.21 | Dagmar | ...excepting higher level enemies. |
| 10:51.28 | Corrodias | i guess that's never been a significant concern of mine |
| 10:51.41 | Corrodias | i know they're there; it doesn't really stop them >_> |
| 10:51.42 | Dagmar | So basically, red dots mean bad guys, and any suprises mean REALLY bad guys so it's time to hit the spacebar and get ruthless |
| 10:53.18 | Dagmar | I did get a little irked about having to continually hold down the highlighter while running around tho |
| 10:53.24 | Corrodias | it's funny. i decided to focus on the mage, when either i'm terrible at choosing spells or terrible at using them. i thought it was pretty decent letting only 2 of the 5 people at the refugee camp die in the battle, but i guess that's only compared to my usual, and i got lucky on that. |
| 10:53.27 | Dagmar | Some of that elfroot is hard to spot |
| 10:54.16 | Dagmar | I always wind up losing two of them |
| 10:54.35 | Dagmar | I'm not sure how the heck you could save them all unless you postponed that fight until you're 20 or something |
| 10:54.38 | Corrodias | i'm sure consumables are a big part of the game, which means i suck at that, too. |
| 10:54.55 | Dagmar | You'll need to be making lots of light health poultices, yes |
| 10:55.10 | Dagmar | Until/unless you get Wynne, there's no shame in using them |
| 10:55.28 | zenzio | any situation where I'm pitted agaist a number of enemies, I either stun or kill (preferably both) mages first |
| 10:55.36 | Corrodias | oh i have enough healing. i meant... other stuff, and i'm sure there are a lot of fancy things. |
| 10:55.47 | Dagmar | Without them yeah I can see you getting killed lots |
| 10:56.10 | Dagmar | zenzio: Oh I so hate those Emissaries |
| 10:56.16 | Corrodias | the grenades i never even think of when it's useful to do so |
| 10:56.20 | Corrodias | i have plenty of healing |
| 10:56.20 | zenzio | seconded |
| 10:56.44 | Dagmar | yeah you really do have to just rush right over and lock those guys down immediately or you'll get whupped |
| 10:58.10 | Corrodias | a glyph of paralysis stops them for a while, and i just got glyph of neutralization, although the damn thing is so small they probably can take two steps and start casting again |
| 10:58.13 | Corrodias | where do you get flasks? |
| 10:58.28 | Dagmar | Something that might help a bit is if you have Morrigan casting Winter's Grasp specifically on the target of someone with a good weapon |
| 10:58.43 | Dagmar | Corrodias: There's a few vendors for them, one is in Denerim to be sure |
| 10:58.47 | Corrodias | at least it does drain mana. i've no idea whether the game even tracks enemy mana. |
| 10:58.59 | Dagmar | It does. |
| 10:59.11 | Dagmar | Templars get some cool stuff to punish naughty mages |
| 10:59.22 | Corrodias | oh boy, this guy has them, for 1.50 silver each |
| 10:59.46 | Corrodias | i can afford that NOW, but i don't even need lesser health poultices now |
| 10:59.48 | Dagmar | I wish I could find out what _exactly_ the set bonuses are doing |
| 11:00.03 | Dagmar | ACtually you probably want to keep as many lesser health poultices around as you can |
| 11:00.06 | Corrodias | you can look in the 2da spreadsheets that come with the game to figure that out, i think |
| 11:00.30 | Dagmar | It came with spreadsheets? Heh. I'll have to look at the client files then |
| 11:00.33 | Corrodias | either that or they come with the toolkit |
| 11:00.41 | Corrodias | toolset? whatever they called it |
| 11:01.04 | Dagmar | I haven't installed it yet |
| 11:01.05 | Corrodias | dragon age origins\tools\Source\2DA |
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| 11:01.49 | Corrodias | let me see, where are armor bonuses? |
| 11:02.18 | Dagmar | I was sad to have to put away the Thane helmet. |
| 11:02.27 | Corrodias | itemsets.xls |
| 11:03.12 | Corrodias | apply prop1value and prop2value to the description and that's your bonus |
| 11:03.30 | Corrodias | so scale has a 4.5 missile shield bonus. not that the game itself bothers to tell you this. |
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| 11:04.59 | Dagmar | Yay. Installing a 487M self-extracting archive over 100base-T. |
| 11:05.06 | Dagmar | Man that new gear needs to get here |
| 11:05.41 | Corrodias | hopefully this is no spoiler. we had to fight a few "drakes" at one point. got our asses whooped until i exploited AI limitations and room geography. it's happening more and more lately. |
| 11:05.56 | Corrodias | despite gaining more spells. it's just disheartening to have to resort to cheap anti-computer tricks. |
| 11:06.09 | Corrodias | and when you don't have that option, such as the denerim ambushes... |
| 11:06.15 | Dagmar | Focus fire works much better |
| 11:06.39 | Corrodias | you... i don't know what you think of me, but of course i have my people attack one target at a time |
| 11:07.20 | Corrodias | you might as well tell me to make sure i equipped my characters' weapons, the way it makes me feel to hear that |
| 11:07.32 | Dagmar | I might possibly be the way you're doing it then |
| 11:08.04 | Dagmar | THe enemy AI is always trying to surround my guys, and that will get you killed |
| 11:08.20 | Corrodias | let me tell you what happens, while my mage is somehow able to keep one drake occupied, another is eating my tank alive and the third is rampaging about |
| 11:09.23 | Dagmar | You should proabbly be taking two tank types into those caves |
| 11:09.56 | Dagmar | I think I was using Wynne, Morrigan, Alister there. |
| 11:09.57 | Corrodias | do you change party members often? |
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| 11:10.18 | Dagmar | Me and Alister wearing a full set of Massive armor and carrying the biggest, heaviest shields I could find |
| 11:10.19 | batrick2 | did linode explode? |
| 11:10.33 | batrick2 | Shirik: jnwhiteh ^ |
| 11:10.39 | Dagmar | Well, I swap them around based on what I'm doing |
| 11:10.43 | Corrodias | the bard predictably does jack all in that situation. she didn't have the aoe stun at that point, if it would have even -done- anything against them, which i doubt |
| 11:10.58 | Dagmar | She can throw poisons around |
| 11:11.10 | Mikk | batrick2: no, our linode is up |
| 11:11.16 | Dagmar | ...but yeah, she's not so useful against large singular targets |
| 11:11.17 | Corrodias | grenades? |
| 11:11.24 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:11.28 | Dagmar | Yes |
| 11:11.33 | batrick2 | are you able to load the linode page Mikk? |
| 11:11.34 | Dagmar | ...and if it's got a back, a rogue can stab it |
| 11:11.50 | Dagmar | Two poisoned daggers can actually do a LOT of damage |
| 11:12.04 | Corrodias | she's an archer, but thanks for the advice |
| 11:12.24 | mitch0 | mikk: 12:12pm up 886 days 8:47, 5 users, load average: 0.29, 0.27, 0.27 |
| 11:12.25 | mitch0 | :P |
| 11:12.29 | Dagmar | ...but with those drakes, I just paired off and had to kinda juggle a bit |
| 11:12.41 | Dagmar | First priority was keeping their attention on the guys in metal suits |
| 11:12.46 | Corrodias | i guess archers aren't all that impressive, even enemy ones. they just get 5 of them in situations when you'd get 1. |
| 11:13.01 | Dagmar | Yeah the elf-shot arrows can come in handy tho |
| 11:13.11 | batrick2 | !lua 1 |
| 11:13.13 | Mikk | mitch0: uptime epeening was never my thing. only means you're full of unpatched kernel vulnerabilities :P |
| 11:13.29 | Dagmar | Say you see a darkspawn emmisarry downfield, you can whip out a longbow with an elf-shot arrow and stop them casting |
| 11:13.34 | mitch0 | mikk: nah, it's solaris. it's like secure and stuff :) |
| 11:13.40 | Mikk | lmao |
| 11:13.41 | Mikk | solaris |
| 11:13.41 | Mikk | secure |
| 11:13.44 | Mikk | headdesks |
| 11:13.50 | mitch0 | besides, we have more firewalls than routers around here :( |
| 11:13.52 | Dagmar | Otherwise, you get to suck down a fireball sometimes |
| 11:14.03 | Dagmar | There's times when friendly fire can work for you. :) |
| 11:14.20 | Mikk | batrick2: yes, i can view linode.com and log on and manage my node |
| 11:14.25 | Corrodias | yes, well, my mage is more than well enough equipped to take care of enemy mages for the time being, although of course it takes away his attention from the nearer battlefield |
| 11:14.35 | batrick2 | Mikk: thanks my proxy was down too |
| 11:14.39 | Corrodias | and he has to micromanage everything or risk doom, as it is. |
| 11:15.02 | Corrodias | (that said, yes, i intend to use special ammo now that i'm actually starting to find a little) |
| 11:15.02 | Dagmar | You might want to get Morrigan that bear form |
| 11:15.08 | Corrodias | i am not using morrigan |
| 11:15.40 | Corrodias | my own mage will eventually have it, though i doubt i'll have enough downtime when spells are unnecessary to actually use it |
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| 11:16.26 | Dagmar | Ah but see, if I go somewhere where it looks like I could use the abilities of one of the other characters, I'll actually go back to camp and _get_ them |
| 11:16.26 | Corrodias | if i'm going to split up the available characters into 3 distinct playthroughs (though the chances of me playing through more than once are slim), i must not waste the magicians |
| 11:16.42 | Dagmar | How could you waste them? |
| 11:17.34 | Corrodias | i'm not sure how to approach answering that |
| 11:17.56 | mitch0 | btw, what game are you talking about? |
| 11:18.01 | Corrodias | if i want to stick with different characters for each play, and i use two mages in one play, that leaves 0 mages for one of the other plays |
| 11:18.10 | Corrodias | a party with 0 mages sounds like a bad thing to me, so i consider that a waste |
| 11:19.17 | Dagmar | If you're going to try to use only certain toons each time, you may have a problem |
| 11:19.20 | Dagmar | For one thing, when you get to dwarf town I don't know if the other dwarf is required or not, but he was a GREAT help in finding the Anvil of the Void |
| 11:19.24 | Dagmar | ...and for the other, all the NPCs talk to each other while you're running around and they have a lot to say that's hilarious |
| 11:19.24 | Dagmar | Alister and Morrigan snipe at each other all the time |
| 11:19.45 | Dagmar | mitch0: Dragon Age: Origins |
| 11:20.02 | Dagmar | I've pretty much always got at least one mage, sometimes two |
| 11:20.06 | Corrodias | yes, i have been questioning the wisdom of trying to give three my full attention rather than giving each one a little bit of attention |
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| 11:20.22 | Dagmar | I give each one a bit of attention because they _all_ get the XP anyway |
| 11:20.22 | Corrodias | i thought they might have enough depth that sticking with them for a long time would be good |
| 11:20.31 | Dagmar | Except the dog. |
| 11:20.43 | Corrodias | the dog gets XP as well |
| 11:20.53 | Corrodias | don't fool yourself, he levels too! |
| 11:21.09 | Dagmar | I kinda ignore the dog because while he's a good fighter, there's not much BUT bite and some minor buffs he can do |
| 11:21.30 | Dagmar | The golem has been rather handy in conjunction with two mages |
| 11:21.43 | Dagmar | ...because of the previously mentioned set of Serious AoE spells |
| 11:22.27 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:22.33 | Fisker | Night Elf Mohawk doesn't respond to /pity |
| 11:22.38 | Fisker | you'd think that was a given |
| 11:22.39 | Corrodias | see, i -was- worried that constantly switching members would end me up with not seeing enough of any of them. now i suppose it's starting to look like i misunderstood the developers' intent. |
| 11:22.48 | Dagmar | I think that might be the case |
| 11:22.55 | Dagmar | It might explain why bits seem hard, too |
| 11:23.08 | Corrodias | they didn't write much depth into these at all, just breadth |
| 11:23.17 | Dagmar | I will in a heartbeat get rid of the rogue if I think I _need_ two guys with heavy armor |
| 11:23.29 | Corrodias | and 90% of the reputation changes occur at camp |
| 11:23.47 | Dagmar | Well, you can actually butter people up out in the field, too. |
| 11:23.53 | Corrodias | it seems a bit late now to change my methods, halfway through the game |
| 11:23.57 | Corrodias | yeah, 10%, i accounted for that. |
| 11:24.13 | Dagmar | ...although sometimes Morrigan can be a real bitch if you're being a goody-two-shoes |
| 11:24.28 | Corrodias | and i'm not sure i want to, considering i don't have the cash to equip 10 people |
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| 11:24.35 | Dagmar | "Oh wonderful! Next we can so save some kittens from TREES!" |
| 11:24.49 | Arrowmaster | what are you playing? |
| 11:24.53 | Dagmar | See another reason to swap people out regularly is that it makes them easier to shop for. :) |
| 11:25.01 | Corrodias | howso? |
| 11:25.08 | Dagmar | You don't have to tote their new gear back to camp if they can just put it on because they're thre |
| 11:25.23 | Corrodias | ah, but there's no point in getting them new gear if you're not going to use them |
| 11:25.30 | Dagmar | But I do |
| 11:25.38 | Dagmar | I use literally all of them except the dog |
| 11:25.39 | Corrodias | so why would they be at camp? |
| 11:25.46 | Dagmar | That's where they hang out. |
| 11:25.49 | Corrodias | is this circular logic? |
| 11:25.57 | Dagmar | You can only take three of them out into the field with you |
| 11:26.05 | Corrodias | "take them along so that they can use equipment so that they are good when you take them along" |
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| 11:26.31 | Dagmar | Not circular. A little winding perhaps, but not circular |
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| 11:27.04 | Corrodias | maybe you misunderstood me. i'm not trying to get you to stop shopping with each character. |
| 11:27.14 | Dagmar | Like, if I just got Leilana a nicer set of leathers, on the next run I'll take the well, the elf out and get him better gear |
| 11:27.19 | Corrodias | what i was hinting at was that i don't have a lot of extra money |
| 11:27.45 | Dagmar | So kill other people and take theirs. |
| 11:27.52 | Dagmar | :) |
| 11:27.56 | Corrodias | which involves... taking your party out and playing the game |
| 11:28.00 | Corrodias | which requires... having equipment for them |
| 11:28.19 | Corrodias | which means you don't sell it |
| 11:28.27 | Dagmar | ...and buying backpacks EVERY time you see them |
| 11:28.39 | Corrodias | yes, which was a terrible drain on finances early on |
| 11:28.42 | Dagmar | You really _won't_ be buying much of your gear |
| 11:28.49 | Corrodias | I KNOW! |
| 11:28.55 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 11:28.57 | Dagmar | Not like that |
| 11:29.06 | Corrodias | this conversation is really getting to me |
| 11:29.19 | Corrodias | i need to go to bed. you have a nice night. |
| 11:29.24 | Dagmar | I mean most of the stuff you'll get from bandits, or werewolves, or basically "people who are not helping me fix the darkspawn problem" |
| 11:30.11 | Corrodias | and this is what frustrates me, the idea that my performance is so horrible that telling you about it makes you think that i understand nothing about the basics of the game |
| 11:30.28 | Dagmar | It's not horrible |
| 11:30.51 | Dagmar | The game IS really hard |
| 11:30.56 | Corrodias | yeah yeah |
| 11:31.15 | Dagmar | It took me a few _hours_ to finally get through the undead assault at Redcliffe |
| 11:31.46 | Corrodias | that's a bit odd, because that was one of the easiest encounters i've had |
| 11:31.46 | Dagmar | I was just getting nibbled to death or having to flee up the cliffside back to the team watching the apprach |
| 11:31.49 | Dagmar | er approach |
| 11:31.59 | Dagmar | I just had the wrong people out entirely |
| 11:32.17 | Corrodias | actually, i spent most of the time healing NPC's in the second phase |
| 11:32.28 | Dagmar | Yeah I had no healer at all |
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| 11:33.10 | Dagmar | ...but the other problem was that I had Alister in medium armor, with a two-handed weapon, and myself as a mage, and leilna and morrigan |
| 11:33.20 | Corrodias | my insistence on sticking with certain party members, which i maintain was well-intentioned but admit might be misguided, has meant that my mage is diverse enough to handle any situation just barely enough to get by |
| 11:34.05 | Dagmar | The second time through with me as a dwarf warrior and both myself and Alister in heavy or massive armor, and the Big Guy Sten with Morrigan it was a lot better |
| 11:34.07 | Corrodias | the NPC's probably would do enough tanking IF you had someone to heal them |
| 11:34.24 | Corrodias | shit, i know they would, be cause alistair didn't take enough damage to warrant much attention |
| 11:34.39 | Dagmar | I had no healers either time, so basically, most of the guards died |
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| 11:35.36 | Dagmar | Mm... I'm definitely hitting the sack |
| 11:35.42 | Dagmar | take care |
| 11:35.52 | Corrodias | when i resume playing after my hiatus, maybe i should gear up the other assholes (and i was just starting to enjoy having enough money to buy nice things) and think about how i could use them |
| 11:36.49 | Corrodias | good night |
| 11:54.09 | Fisker | don't you understand Dagmar ? |
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| 12:30.48 | ZorbaTHut | goddamn I am loving this radar feature of mine. it works better than I ever expected |
| 12:31.33 | krka | hm? |
| 12:31.42 | Legorol | does it stop incoming missiles, or measure your speed? |
| 12:31.56 | ZorbaTHut | I don't know if you've been here when I've talked about it, but I'm using range-to-target data to triangulate on your target's location, then mark that on your minimap |
| 12:32.13 | krka | meh, i've done that long ago :/ |
| 12:32.26 | ZorbaTHut | pfft, I've never seen a ui mod for it :P |
| 12:32.30 | krka | how do you handle moving targets? |
| 12:32.36 | krka | nah, i never released anything, just a proof of concept |
| 12:32.46 | ZorbaTHut | I blur the possible location gradually. it breaks down if the target is moving extremely fast, but most don't |
| 12:32.47 | krka | i was using it for data gathering of npc locations |
| 12:33.20 | theorbtwo | ZorbaTHut: Oddly, it doesn't work for me -- the changelog on the latest qh says it has it, but /qh range does the same as /qh aosdifj |
| 12:33.33 | krka | how do you deduce coordinates from multiple measurements? |
| 12:33.33 | ZorbaTHut | theorb, are you using the beta, or the release version? |
| 12:34.00 | ZorbaTHut | krka, I keep a array of location likelihoods, spaced out on a 3-meter grid aligned to Questhelper's internal coordinate system |
| 12:34.01 | krka | i let each measurement be a circle, and improved the guess by intersecting circles |
| 12:34.03 | theorbtwo | 1.3.1-beta |
| 12:34.12 | ZorbaTHut | then I just bruteforce it from there |
| 12:34.16 | ZorbaTHut | theorb, "/qh radar" |
| 12:34.21 | krka | ah, the boring approach :P |
| 12:34.22 | ZorbaTHut | did I mistype it in the changelist? |
| 12:34.24 | theorbtwo | Oh. |
| 12:34.42 | theorbtwo | Yes. |
| 12:34.45 | ZorbaTHut | sigh |
| 12:34.47 | ZorbaTHut | I'll fix that |
| 12:35.02 | ZorbaTHut | krka, the effective approach :) anything else just gets too complicated and errorprone IMHO |
| 12:35.14 | ZorbaTHut | the slow part is drawing it on the minimap anyway, not the calculations |
| 12:36.01 | krka | yeah, it's fairly pragmatic |
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| 12:38.45 | krka | wtf http://notalwaysright.com/why-judgment-days-gonna-be-a-cakewalk-part-2/3270 |
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| 13:43.46 | amro | ~fail Shirik |
| 13:43.47 | purl | Shirik, you Fail! |
| 13:50.46 | Adys | amro: |
| 13:50.49 | Adys | stop failing |
| 13:50.55 | Adys | get back on gtalk and fix that bug |
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| 13:58.20 | olafski | wut.. zorbathut you mean I could /tar something and it would appear on my minimap as if I cast hunter's mark on it? :o |
| 14:02.45 | olafski | did that guy who was working on a settings panel for questhelper ever finish it btw? |
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| 14:07.15 | olafski | wow that radar thing works brilliantly :P |
| 14:07.55 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: in the end, is it economical for you to keep updating QH? |
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| 14:56.01 | Audible | apart from Tourguide, what other addons are there? |
| 14:56.26 | olafski | wow.curse.com has a lot of addons |
| 14:56.30 | olafski | as does wowinterface |
| 14:56.35 | olafski | could you be more specific? ;-) |
| 14:57.36 | Audible | ah, do you know the addon Tourguide? its a questhelper/ leveling helper addon |
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| 14:57.48 | olafski | yes |
| 14:58.00 | olafski | you want something similar? or another questhelper addon? |
| 14:58.00 | Audible | so are there any other addons that are better ( helps you level faster ) than that one? |
| 14:58.11 | olafski | I like questhelper and carbonite |
| 14:58.12 | Audible | well, questhelper is good, but it doesnt prepare a "run" |
| 14:58.19 | olafski | neither of those actually tell you which quests to pick up though |
| 14:58.30 | Audible | tourguide is good that way |
| 14:58.32 | olafski | I tried tourguide and _really_ couldn't get into it |
| 15:00.08 | Audible | okey |
| 15:00.23 | olafski | I haven't heard of alternatives though |
| 15:00.33 | Audible | i guess tourguide will really shine when the 3.3 lua additions comes |
| 15:00.43 | Audible | with the Queryquestscompleted |
| 15:01.49 | alestane | In the error "ld: warning: in /Users/nevin/Projects/StepSpritely/Lua/liblua5.1.a, file is not of required architecture"m how useful would it be to explain what architecture was required and what it was finding instead? |
| 15:05.36 | Audible | hehe |
| 15:05.50 | Audible | btw, are there any good UI "create packages" out there? |
| 15:10.47 | alestane | Apparently, I also need to compile lua for ppc if I want to use it as a library. Restrict it to building Intel only and it links nicely. |
| 15:10.57 | alestane | Or I need to build Intel-only. |
| 15:20.27 | Adys | amro: ping and stop dropping offline |
| 15:20.50 | olafski | ancu: were you making an options panel for QH? |
| 15:21.46 | Ancu | At one point, but I gave up with the tools I had. I might give it another try if I can get a good lib that is not ace |
| 15:22.24 | olafski | why is ace bad? |
| 15:22.42 | olafski | I also looked at something called TjOptions, but perhaps that was because you linked it here |
| 15:22.47 | Ancu | Don't know, zorba just didn't want to use it. |
| 15:22.56 | olafski | hmkay |
| 15:23.05 | Ancu | Why do you ask? |
| 15:23.22 | olafski | I just installed qh again after like 8 months of not using it and saw the 'stub' in the addon options panel ;) |
| 15:23.33 | olafski | so I wondered if you had ever gotten anywhere with it |
| 15:23.45 | Ancu | lol, No, I didn't write that XD |
| 15:24.05 | olafski | no I know, but you might have made something to replace it ;) |
| 15:24.37 | Ancu | Though I was thinking of using ace anyway and releasing it as a separate addon. |
| 15:25.01 | olafski | oh that's kind of what I assumed you would do anyway ;) |
| 15:25.47 | olafski | assuming zorba allows that.. I guess it's not exactly his right to disallow it (dunno?) but it might be polite not to do it if he dislikes the idea |
| 15:25.48 | Ancu | No, I was developing something for zorba to add to the current addon. |
| 15:27.12 | Ancu | Do you think that people would go for a separate addon as such? The only thing that has stopped me is potential lack of interest. |
| 15:27.41 | olafski | I don't know.. as long as they know about it I imagine people might use it |
| 15:27.54 | olafski | I probably would :) |
| 15:28.04 | krka | if it is useful and without too much competition and known, people will usei t |
| 15:28.28 | Ancu | Then I will have to go get that lib |
| 15:28.38 | olafski | you can probably cross out the competition part ;) |
| 15:28.40 | theorbtwo | notes that talking about it on here is a decent way to make it known. |
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| 15:29.00 | olafski | it's probably useful, though /qh settings also does a decent job |
| 15:29.43 | theorbtwo | Oh. You didn't mean qh radar as a seperate addon, you meant making the qh settings panel a sperate addon? That seems strange. |
| 15:29.54 | olafski | :) |
| 15:30.06 | olafski | the radar as a separate addon sounds great too though tbh |
| 15:30.58 | olafski | theorbtwo: well, if zorba wants to focus on other things and doesn't want to include ace for some reason, it's an option to make it a separate addon isn't it? :< |
| 15:31.07 | olafski | might be hard to get the values of some settings though |
| 15:31.11 | Ancu | someone else can tackle that |
| 15:31.39 | theorbtwo | olafski: Get ZorbaTHut to make an API for your settings dohicky to use? |
| 15:31.57 | olafski | zorbathut: ping, is it possible you'll release the radar as a separate addon? :D |
| 15:32.10 | olafski | theorbtwo: well, I'm not the one who's making the settings thing ,) |
| 15:33.26 | Ancu | Yeah, that is a hard part, digging through his code isn't easy. I had to get note pad ++ because he uses unix hard line breaks or whatever. |
| 15:33.45 | olafski | what were you using before, notepad? :s |
| 15:34.02 | krka | ... |
| 15:34.19 | krka | if your editor can't handle unix newlines, you're probably a retard :/ |
| 15:34.31 | olafski | that might be a little harsh |
| 15:34.42 | krka | might be a bit accurate too :( |
| 15:34.53 | olafski | you may want to switch editors though |
| 15:34.56 | krka | seriously, _very_ few editors can't handle them |
| 15:34.59 | Ancu | HEY, I like notepad okay... |
| 15:35.03 | krka | i only know of notepad |
| 15:35.08 | krka | and you don't develop stuff in notepad |
| 15:35.10 | olafski | ancu: fine, but it doesn't work very well ;) |
| 15:35.32 | olafski | notepad++ or ultraedit (or editpad?) all support both linebreaking systems and probably have syntax highlighting too |
| 15:35.37 | olafski | that helps a lot tbh ;) |
| 15:36.07 | Ancu | No, I went to my second fave, notepad ++. The only reason It is second is because I am on dialup, and I hate to download things not involving wow... |
| 15:36.18 | Arrowmaster | wts copy of assassin's creed 2 xbox, opened but in perfect condition |
| 15:36.43 | olafski | *g* |
| 15:37.39 | krka | how often do you need to download new editors? |
| 15:37.52 | krka | it's basically a do once operation |
| 15:38.30 | Ancu | Still hate doing it |
| 15:40.34 | Ancu | Any idea what the name of the ACE lib is? You know, the one that you use to make a panel in the interface |
| 15:41.10 | olafski | AceGUI I'd say |
| 15:41.13 | olafski | http://old.wowace.com/wiki/WelcomeHome_-_Your_first_Ace3_Addon |
| 15:41.18 | olafski | there's a little tutorial, dunno if it's still up to date |
| 15:41.28 | Arrowmaster | AceConfig-3.0 |
| 15:41.39 | olafski | ah my bad |
| 15:42.13 | Arrowmaster | both are correct |
| 15:44.57 | Ancu | The interface panel counts as a widget? |
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| 15:50.50 | Ancu | Oh, so AceConfig-3.0 is part of the ace lib. Not a seperate lib |
| 15:51.02 | zenzelezz | (paraphrased translation) "Your MasterCard is about to expire, so we sent you a new one. Be aware that the expiration date on your new card is different." |
| 15:51.15 | zenzelezz | well thank you for not sending me a replacement that expires at the same time as the old one, that's very considerate |
| 15:51.28 | Seerah | Ancu: the Ace-3.0 libs are designed so that you can use one without having to use the rest. |
| 15:52.05 | Arrowmaster | actually AceConfigDialog-3.0 requires AceGUI-3.0 and other parts of AceConfig-3.0 |
| 15:52.16 | olafski | zenzelezz: it says the expiration date is different oO |
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| 15:52.36 | Seerah | that's true, but only because it doesn't house the widget code itself. but you don't need to use the whole Ace-3.0 package (db, etc) |
| 15:52.41 | zenzelezz | olafski: I know, I was being sarcastic about it |
| 15:53.11 | Ancu | Better use the whole thing just in case then... |
| 15:53.16 | zenzelezz | just seemed so useless to say that the expiration is different when the expiration is the very reason why they sent me a new card |
| 15:53.21 | olafski | zenzelezz: ehh.. strange way to convey sarcasm tbh. had you said something like "gee thanks for letting me know newer cards have another expiration date" I would have understood it :P |
| 15:53.35 | Seerah | Ancu: no, you don't have to. You'd just be loading unnecessary code |
| 15:53.37 | olafski | ancu: use the ones you need tbh :) |
| 15:53.40 | zenzelezz | olafski: I'm clever, most people don't get me |
| 15:53.49 | olafski | you say clever, I say.. something else ;) |
| 15:53.52 | Seerah | zenzelezz: I got it! |
| 15:54.12 | Seerah | but I'm also known as being quite silly :p |
| 15:54.16 | zenzelezz | that's because you're clever too :) |
| 15:54.16 | Ancu | I got it zenzelezz |
| 15:54.17 | Seerah | that, too |
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| 15:54.33 | olafski | in this case, had I read your second line again I would have gotten it too probably.. missing the word "not" in that line did the trick |
| 15:54.41 | zenzelezz | haha |
| 15:54.45 | zenzelezz | that would do it |
| 15:54.47 | Seerah | ~comfort olafski |
| 15:54.48 | purl | There, there, olafski. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 15:54.55 | Ancu | back to the topic of ace, so what other portions do I need in order to use just the AceConfig-3.0 portion? |
| 15:54.56 | olafski | I missed that and was like "huh his first line didn't say not, what's the big deal" :P |
| 15:55.29 | olafski | try that tutorial ancu |
| 15:55.36 | olafski | it should tell you quite a bit of what you want to know |
| 15:55.58 | Aelobin | is there a better way to see when you join a group other than "PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED" ? |
| 15:56.04 | Aelobin | that event seems a little messy |
| 15:56.19 | olafski | e.g. they start with AceConsole, to just handle slashcommands, then they add AceEvent for event handling and eventually they use AceConfigDialog |
| 15:56.30 | Ancu | Will do, thanks everyone, please forgive me while I immerse my self in research |
| 15:56.38 | Seerah | Ancu: while I also suggest doing the tutorial, you need LibStub, CallbackHandler, AceConfig, and AceGUI |
| 15:57.16 | Ancu | thanks :D |
| 16:01.31 | Ancu | aw bugger |
| 16:01.38 | Ancu | todays tuseday |
| 16:02.25 | olafski | yes :P |
| 16:02.26 | Ancu | Are they doing rolling restarts, or a full maintenance thing. |
| 16:02.54 | olafski | no clue.. I'm in Europe ;-) |
| 16:03.01 | olafski | there's some command here to show the notice I think |
| 16:03.09 | alestane | ~wowalert |
| 16:03.10 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 16:03.28 | Kraps | "gel in cushion bursted." |
| 16:05.05 | Ancu | I hope dreanor is not one of those realms |
| 16:05.05 | theorbtwo | Hm, they're doing web+relm maint. Seems a strange call to do them both at once -- then confused players can't go to the web site to find out why they can't log on. |
| 16:05.08 | industrial | Can I get someone to look at my code and help me with the behicles part? http://github.com/Industrial/idStackedBottomBars |
| 16:05.34 | industrial | When I eg mount a drake in the wyrmrest daily it fucks up and puts the most top bar more to the right |
| 16:05.42 | industrial | thats all though, fixed the rest :-3 |
| 16:06.02 | industrial | it modifies the default actionbars. |
| 16:06.57 | industrial | before |
| 16:07.01 | industrial | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/ba636afc2623f415a08c387b9469ccbc.jpg |
| 16:07.04 | industrial | after http://images.gammatester.com/pics/194ccd25b49ab4ee549c3d495477b2fc.jpg |
| 16:08.00 | industrial | its the MultiBarLeft |
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| 16:09.38 | industrial | nevcairiel: any idea? |
| 16:10.16 | industrial | I think theres just more points where I need to run my setpoint code |
| 16:10.20 | industrial | but when ;\ |
| 16:10.29 | Ancu | Im new to the whole thing, so dont ask me |
| 16:10.37 | industrial | I didn't. |
| 16:12.20 | Ancu | It was a question to the general, no one was answering, so I thought I would...sorry... |
| 16:12.29 | industrial | lol :p |
| 16:14.27 | industrial | I already run it after every UIParent_ManageFramePositions() |
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| 16:18.52 | industrial | oh shiiI fixed it! |
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| 16:19.16 | industrial | devtools told me MainMenuBar_UnlockAB was the function ran after the animation of dismounting a vehicle |
| 16:19.28 | industrial | so i hooked that and it works :3 |
| 16:19.34 | industrial | is it can be releasetiemz |
| 16:22.23 | Ancu | WoW knows how to heat up a laptop dont it |
| 16:22.39 | Lopeppeppy | Always has |
| 16:23.07 | Ginji | It's more of a case of a crappy laptop imho |
| 16:23.17 | Ancu | I was at like 70, have wow up for less then 5mins and I am up to 90 |
| 16:27.24 | Ancu | ginji: Tis true, I think one of my fans went |
| 16:27.46 | Ancu | second time it has happened, see if I get an acer again |
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| 16:28.29 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:28.42 | Lopeppeppy | pours orange juice into Fisker's ears. |
| 16:29.02 | Fisker | that's malicious |
| 16:29.18 | Lopeppeppy | And? |
| 16:29.38 | Fisker | cries |
| 16:29.55 | Ancu | So lopeppeppy, is your car and cat fixed? |
| 16:30.00 | Lopeppeppy | Your tears are like hot fudge on my sundae of perfection and bliss. |
| 16:30.18 | Lopeppeppy | Ancu, the car behaves well now, I gave it the spare key and it starts fine. Think the old key was just old. |
| 16:30.28 | cogwheel | pours hot fudge sundae on Fisker's mom |
| 16:30.33 | Lopeppeppy | Cat is not a "fix", definitely a time thing. Another checkup tonight after work. |
| 16:30.45 | Ancu | Lol, that hapens |
| 16:31.02 | Lopeppeppy | Surely does, I'm glad someone recommended I try it. |
| 16:31.18 | Ancu | sorry to hear that, atleast the car and heat got fixed easily |
| 16:33.33 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, that's two down, cat and myself left to go. |
| 16:34.58 | Ancu | Whats wrong with you? You don't have the Pig Plague do you? |
| 16:35.41 | Lopeppeppy | No, just a fever for like 2 months running. :) |
| 16:35.57 | Ancu | ouch, that sucks, good luck with it. |
| 16:36.04 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.14 | Ancu | ... |
| 16:44.46 | Kraps | so homeland security is doing a random check for illegal immigrants on 77 businesses in new york STATE, and WE were one of them, a 15 employee internet company in brooklyn |
| 16:45.11 | Ginji | I guess it's a slow time for them as well |
| 16:45.18 | Lopeppeppy | random is random |
| 16:45.20 | durcyn | gotta spend money on something |
| 16:45.33 | Kraps | can someone do an odds calculation on that? |
| 16:45.35 | Ancu | long cat is long |
| 16:45.48 | Ginji | Indeed, you can't have all your agents just sitting on their asses all day |
| 16:46.07 | Lopeppeppy | random = 50/50 |
| 16:46.26 | Ancu | If your not an Illegal immigrant, then why do you care? |
| 16:46.34 | Ginji | nods |
| 16:47.31 | Ancu | and its about 1 out of n when n=number of companies thrown in the proverbial hat. |
| 16:47.31 | Kraps | because i was worried about not having id? |
| 16:47.51 | Ancu | did you drive to work? |
| 16:48.20 | Kraps | my social security card is the only "current" thing i have |
| 16:48.49 | Ancu | so if you where driving, you where driving without a license...shame shame |
| 16:48.58 | Lopeppeppy | And that's your own fault. |
| 16:49.12 | Kraps | Ancu: ambullet |
| 16:49.21 | Kraps | (spelling) |
| 16:49.33 | Kraps | gosh that sucked |
| 16:49.46 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: i know |
| 16:50.01 | Ancu | My state ID is good till 2013. and what where you trying to mean by ambullet... |
| 16:50.20 | Kraps | i'm in a wheelchair |
| 16:50.50 | Ancu | oh....my bad... |
| 16:50.54 | Kraps | np |
| 16:51.21 | Kraps | actually wish i had a modified car |
| 16:51.42 | Ancu | Expensive aren't they? |
| 16:51.42 | Lopeppeppy | If the only ID you have is the SS card, that's all you have. It's an audit, it's not supposed to be perfect. |
| 16:51.47 | krka | Lopeppeppy: what do you mean random = 50/50? |
| 16:52.09 | Lopeppeppy | Either you are chosen randomly or you are not. |
| 16:52.12 | Lopeppeppy | 50/50. |
| 16:52.16 | Ancu | not realy |
| 16:52.24 | Ancu | thats the odds with a coin |
| 16:52.29 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: yeah, turned out to be enough, with an expired state id |
| 16:52.29 | krka | hmm... i am not sure you're being ironic or not |
| 16:52.39 | krka | i'll just interpreter it ironically |
| 16:52.40 | Lopeppeppy | As in, calculating the odds is neither practical nor relevant. |
| 16:52.46 | Ancu | random means all out comes have an equal chance |
| 16:52.56 | zenzelezz | no |
| 16:52.57 | krka | Ancu: no |
| 16:53.37 | Ancu | why am I being screamed at now? what convention did I break |
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| 16:55.19 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
| 16:55.31 | Ancu | the odds of his job getting chosen would be 1:n n being the number of companies that could be chosen for audit |
| 16:55.37 | Lunessa | Morning Peppy-dear. |
| 16:55.46 | cogwheel | ~huggle Lunessa |
| 16:56.00 | cogwheel | ~poke purl |
| 16:56.01 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind purl, pokes purl repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 16:56.01 | alestane | There we go. I have finally solved the precompiled headers nightmare and successfully built lua as a dual-architecture library. My project builds. |
| 16:56.05 | Lunessa | huggles all the usual suspects. |
| 16:56.16 | alestane | It doesn't do much yet, but it builds. |
| 16:56.19 | Lunessa | alestane: Excellent. |
| 16:56.31 | alestane | puts the lemur back in the trees. |
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| 16:59.23 | Legorol | halp, what's the name of curse's irc channel? |
| 16:59.27 | Legorol | can't find it on their site |
| 16:59.29 | Ancu | *plays kim possible them song* I want to buy the seasons via iTunes |
| 17:00.10 | Ancu | pokes a naked mole rat |
| 17:00.10 | alestane | ~seen nicoli_s |
| 17:00.12 | purl | nicoli_s is currently on #waruidev (1d 32m 52s) #sc2mapster (1d 32m 52s) #wowuidev (1d 32m 52s) #arl (1d 32m 52s) #wowace (1d 32m 52s) #curseforge (1d 32m 52s), last said: 'just take the best picture, and photoshop a tiny booty into the picture no one but you will see'. |
| 17:00.25 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: but if they wouldnt have picked my job i wouldnt have been so stressed, so you see its THEIR fault |
| 17:00.30 | alestane | Legorol: Try #curseforge? |
| 17:00.30 | Kraps | :p |
| 17:00.34 | Legorol | alestane: thanks |
| 17:01.19 | Lunessa | Adam Baldwin - more intelligent and cultured than I imagined possible. |
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| 17:07.06 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNf9t8R-ZWo |
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| 17:10.27 | Ancu | what interface protocol are we up to? 30300? |
| 17:10.38 | durcyn | Lunessa: i hate you |
| 17:10.54 | Lunessa | durcyn: My work here is done. |
| 17:11.18 | cogwheel | pfft. rancid beef > turkey testicles |
| 17:15.35 | Lunessa | So cogwheel, you've eaten German cooking... |
| 17:16.05 | cogwheel | actually i was thinking of an episode of bizarre foods where he went to morocco |
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| 17:16.42 | Fisker | how the fuck does a spirit of redemption move? |
| 17:17.29 | cbreak | he moves the world under him |
| 17:18.24 | Fisker | zomg |
| 17:20.46 | Kraps | any of you think arthas will be redeemed? |
| 17:21.00 | Kraps | i dont |
| 17:21.21 | durcyn | blizzard's done retarded shit like that before, and they'll do it again |
| 17:23.35 | Kraps | durcyn: when? |
| 17:30.54 | Kraps | Mari Angel Carrion, serial killer name ftw |
| 17:34.10 | alestane | Even if Arthas is redeemed somehow, I think he'll still have to die in the process. |
| 17:34.42 | Kraps | alestane: even that would be a cop-out |
| 17:37.53 | Ginji | Dunnn!! 355ml can of redbull! |
| 17:37.53 | Lopeppeppy | dead does not equal redeemed, it just means you're out of the way until some necromancer comes and revives you |
| 17:41.37 | Shirik | pokes Lopeppeppy |
| 17:41.54 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: im assuming shadowmorne was made to utterly destroy the LK/arthas |
| 17:42.11 | Lopeppeppy | douses Shirik with strawberry Qwik. |
| 17:43.41 | Shirik | o.O |
| 17:45.18 | Shirik | anyone good with word? Is there a way to make an equation "boxed"? |
| 17:45.26 | Shirik | like put a solid line around it |
| 17:45.41 | Lopeppeppy | Put it in a table. |
| 17:45.59 | alestane | You can put borders around things without tables, usually. |
| 17:46.29 | Lopeppeppy | was the quick answer, without asking which version of word or how big the equation is, etc etc. |
| 17:46.32 | Lopeppeppy | Draw a box. |
| 17:47.07 | alestane | There's also a borders & shading command under formatting, at least in 2000 and up. |
| 17:54.36 | Shirik | I guess tables work |
| 17:54.39 | Shirik | kinda ugly but it works |
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| 17:58.11 | alestane | I know you can put a border around a paragraph or a run of text, but I've never used the Equation facilities. |
| 17:59.09 | Lunessa | Don't look at me, either. I've never used the Equation Editor in Word. |
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| 18:10.59 | Lunessa | this RULES - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgbNymZ7vqY |
| 18:11.01 | Shirik | I swear, they didn't even consult a mathematician when developing this equation app |
| 18:13.46 | zenzelezz | of course not, that would equate to admitting lack of knowledge |
| 18:13.49 | Lopeppeppy | It's a word processor, Shirik, what did you expect. |
| 18:14.02 | Shirik | ubiquity! |
| 18:15.33 | Lopeppeppy | Denied. |
| 18:16.04 | amro | Shirik: l2lyx |
| 18:17.33 | Seerah | my hubby and I thank you for that, Lunessa :) |
| 18:17.56 | Lunessa | That totally changed my mood Seerah, how could I not share? |
| 18:19.20 | alestane | Shirik: I finally determined two things about my project last night; to build Lua as a dual-architecture library first, and not to name one of my files "time.h". |
| 18:19.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i am amused. |
| 18:22.17 | Lopeppeppy | Hey Seerah. |
| 18:22.27 | Seerah | ? |
| 18:22.33 | Lopeppeppy | You can't post links as your status update. You have to go post that again in your comment or something. |
| 18:23.14 | Seerah | I did that straight from YouTube... it used to link it when I favorited. wasn't doing that, so I clicked share to FB from the YouTube page :( stupid youtube :( |
| 18:23.44 | Lopeppeppy | I think FB changed where you can put links, due to scammers and phishers and hackers and slackers and stuff. |
| 18:23.57 | Seerah | ahh |
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| 18:25.48 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: You forgot pirates |
| 18:25.56 | Seerah | ninjas? |
| 18:26.14 | Lopeppeppy | Ninjas don't click links. |
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| 18:30.01 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d19BawjJPhY |
| 18:30.27 | Lopeppeppy | Why do you cheer everyone up with videos I can't watch? *tears* |
| 18:30.28 | Lopeppeppy | It makes me sad. |
| 18:30.39 | Lunessa | Sorry Lopeppeppy |
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| 18:33.02 | Lopeppeppy | Is okay. I adjust. |
| 18:33.06 | Lunessa | I am not a shrimp! I am a King Prawn, ok? |
| 18:33.37 | Lopeppeppy | Do you taste good in garlic butter? |
| 18:36.31 | Lopeppeppy | I notice you do not reply... I think that means yes. *evil cackle* |
| 18:37.14 | cogwheel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgbNymZ7vqY |
| 18:37.19 | cogwheel | (sorry peppy :'( ) |
| 18:37.39 | Lopeppeppy | I think you'd be better with a nice lemon herb sauce, Cog. *poke* |
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| 18:45.24 | Shirik | krka!!! |
| 18:45.25 | Shirik | I just got it |
| 18:45.27 | Shirik | totally randomly |
| 18:45.29 | Shirik | omg |
| 18:45.41 | Shirik | I had it last night and then I was just like "nah nah I'm stupid" and crossed it out |
| 18:45.50 | krka | cool |
| 18:47.04 | Lunessa | Peppy - any time you want t come over and bring Garlic Butter Sauce... We'll find out, ok? |
| 18:47.31 | NightHawkTheSane | sounds sticky. |
| 18:47.41 | Lopeppeppy | Okie-dokies |
| 18:52.26 | cbreak | blizzard will have to add more polygons to the WoW models to properly simulate all the fat people get from the current lame seasonal |
| 18:54.22 | Shirik | cbreak |
| 18:54.31 | Shirik | http://thisiswhyyourefat.com/ |
| 18:54.46 | Shirik | wtb the one at the top of the page, btw |
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| 18:55.33 | cbreak | I am... after seeing this I don't want to eat anymore |
| 18:56.19 | krka | Shirik: so what was the solution? |
| 18:56.26 | cbreak | although Dessertwiches looks tasty. |
| 18:56.33 | Lopeppeppy | I was just looking at those! |
| 18:56.48 | Shirik | it's fun, actually, krka |
| 18:57.11 | Shirik | it comes from realizing that (a-b)^2 = a^2-b^2, and abstracting this such that a=x^n and b=y^n |
| 18:57.30 | Shirik | and realizing that if (a-b) is divisible by some number, then (a-b)^2 must be as well |
| 18:57.47 | Shirik | I'll show you the whole solution later I need to copy this down |
| 18:59.36 | Shirik | er, sorry I wrote that wrong |
| 18:59.41 | Shirik | not (a-b)^2 |
| 18:59.44 | Shirik | (a-b)(a+b) |
| 18:59.49 | Shirik | thinking too fast |
| 19:00.11 | Shirik | anyway, it works, I'll show you later |
| 19:00.12 | Lunessa | http://www.somethingawful.com/d/current-movie-reviews/new-moon.php |
| 19:00.16 | Shirik | It's not even ^2, it's actually ^k |
| 19:00.28 | Shirik | I just tried to simplify it here :) |
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| 19:05.54 | Kraps | Lunessa: "The Cullens go apeshit and try to kill Bella, coming this close to ending the franchise on a high note." |
| 19:06.53 | Lopeppeppy | Yaaaaay!!!! |
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| 19:08.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: no, they dont actually do it. :( |
| 19:10.00 | Lopeppeppy | Damn |
| 19:10.26 | olafski | draenei have blue blood.. never noticed that before |
| 19:10.44 | Kraps | edward gets all "its not you its me" and leaves her to attempt suicide. many many times |
| 19:10.55 | Lunessa | Kraps: I've never read the books or seen the movies. It's not my bag, you know? Vampire Vogue happens in 5 year cycles. And it's ALWAYS crappy love-stories. |
| 19:11.04 | Lopeppeppy | I've seen the previews. |
| 19:11.43 | Lunessa | I wrote most of a vampire novel before ditching the idea because I didn't want to write "teen love mush" |
| 19:12.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: thus proving, zombies > vampires. |
| 19:12.35 | Lunessa | But I'm thinking that in today's atmosphere, knowing these stories might be crucial to meeting women in my target demographic. |
| 19:12.57 | NightHawkTheSane | your target demographic is whiny 14 year old girls? |
| 19:13.01 | cogwheel | http://skepchick.org/blog/2008/12/why-twilight-is-hurting-america/ imo |
| 19:13.05 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
| 19:13.07 | Lopeppeppy | No, because they expect you to look, not touch, and to infinitely respect their lack of self-identity. |
| 19:13.13 | Lunessa | IE - attractive, single, slightly neurotic women in the 30+ range. |
| 19:13.41 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i prefer my target demographic: "not an idiot." |
| 19:13.55 | NightHawkTheSane | admittedly far less populous. |
| 19:13.56 | Thunder_Child | small demographic then |
| 19:15.07 | Lopeppeppy | is not-stupid |
| 19:16.17 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I've had to open the audience quite a bit. I still have to filter for "not stupid" though. |
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| 19:19.22 | Kraps | bokk 3 was the low point for me, the teenage wangst reaches headsploding proportions. book 4 is much better, mostly because part of it is from jacobs perspective and those parts are awesome |
| 19:19.43 | zenzelezz | bokk 3? |
| 19:19.56 | NightHawkTheSane | you bothered to read 4 books of that tripe? |
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| 19:20.50 | Lunessa | Hell, I couldn't even stand 2 books of Harry Potter. |
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| 19:21.52 | NightHawkTheSane | although, speaking of tripe >.> i need to pick up the latest WoT book. *sigh* |
| 19:23.08 | Lunessa | WoT? |
| 19:23.24 | KarlKFI|work | Wheel of Time |
| 19:23.37 | KarlKFI|work | author died, series picked up by wife? |
| 19:24.49 | Shirik | I am concerned |
| 19:24.54 | Shirik | I just proved something I know is false |
| 19:25.04 | Lunessa | Oh, I skipped that too. In '92 a friend read the beginning of the first book aloud for us on a car trip to a convention in Dallas; didn't like it. |
| 19:25.13 | Lunessa | However - http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/c/glen-cook/ |
| 19:25.49 | krka | picked up by Brandon Sanderson |
| 19:25.56 | krka | who did a very good job picking it up, imo |
| 19:26.49 | Shirik | krka, tell me I'm crazy |
| 19:26.52 | Shirik | follow my logic for a second |
| 19:28.09 | krka | NightHawkTheSane: the latest wot book is one of the better, if that helps any |
| 19:28.16 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, you're crazy |
| 19:28.28 | Shirik | Proving: !(!p v q)=p. Assume !p. !(!p v q) becomes p n !q via demorgan's laws. This is in contradiction with the assumption !p, therefore p must be true. |
| 19:28.30 | krka | i've read several books by Sanderson, he's pretty competent |
| 19:28.48 | Shirik | However this shouldn't be true |
| 19:29.23 | Shirik | Because think of the case Q=T and P=T, then we have !(!T v T) = T --> !(F v T) = T --> !T = T --> F = T |
| 19:30.07 | krka | right |
| 19:30.12 | krka | i need a pen and paper for this :) |
| 19:30.18 | Shirik | But my proof seems sound |
| 19:31.15 | Shirik | I think he meant !(!p v q)->p, not = |
| 19:31.27 | Shirik | and then gave us a flawed rule :P |
| 19:31.58 | Shirik | I'm going to leave it at that and just write the lisp code for implies. It's just extra credit anyway no big deal. |
| 19:32.04 | nevcairiel | !T v T ? |
| 19:32.21 | krka | i didnt see the contradiction in your proof |
| 19:32.46 | krka | wait never mind |
| 19:32.55 | Shirik | contradiction is that we assumed !p but got p n !q |
| 19:33.20 | Shirik | nevcairiel: not true or true |
| 19:33.30 | nevcairiel | i know what it means |
| 19:33.35 | nevcairiel | but isnt it kinda pointless =P |
| 19:33.39 | Shirik | that was just from substituting in P and Q |
| 19:34.16 | Shirik | I wouldn't try to prove it, krka. My theorem prover says it is invalid (the equivalence) |
| 19:34.25 | Shirik | Not that it can't prove it. It explicitly states it's false |
| 19:34.31 | Shirik | so unless I wrote the lisp wrong... |
| 19:34.31 | krka | right |
| 19:35.05 | krka | the assignment was to prove the original equivalence+ |
| 19:35.09 | krka | or prove that it was false? |
| 19:35.13 | Shirik | prove equivalence |
| 19:35.25 | Shirik | I mean, I did the proof according to the rule he suggested |
| 19:35.33 | zenzelezz | the lithp? |
| 19:35.38 | Shirik | I honestly think the rule he proposed in the question is wrong |
| 19:36.13 | olafski | maybe demorgan was wrong |
| 19:36.20 | olafski | laws are meant to be broken after all |
| 19:36.31 | krka | yeah !(!p v q) = p, iff p = false |
| 19:36.33 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:36.54 | krka | if p = true, then !(!p v q) = !q |
| 19:37.42 | Shirik | No I had to prove demorgan's laws earlier :) |
| 19:38.04 | krka | but we all know how good your proofs are now! |
| 19:38.04 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:38.12 | Shirik | My proofs are awesome ok. I just hate induction |
| 19:38.12 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:38.15 | Shirik | And this problem |
| 19:38.22 | Shirik | But hey, I recognized that it was flawed! |
| 19:38.23 | nevcairiel | we all hate induction |
| 19:38.29 | Shirik | That's not my fault, that's the person who created the question |
| 19:38.40 | krka | i have a proof by induction why everyone hates induction |
| 19:38.56 | Shirik | Do I hate induction? yes. |
| 19:38.58 | Shirik | Does the next person hate induction? yes. |
| 19:39.02 | Shirik | Therefore, everyone hates induction. |
| 19:39.10 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:40.00 | krka | Are all odd number > 2 prime? . 3 is a prime. 5 is a prime. 7 is a prime. with proof by induction, all odd numbers must be prime! |
| 19:40.11 | Shirik | lol that's not induction! |
| 19:40.20 | Shirik | that's inductive reasoning |
| 19:40.27 | krka | no it was a joke :( |
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| 19:40.30 | Shirik | <3 |
| 19:40.44 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/5048.jpg |
| 19:40.55 | KarlKFI|work | it might be funny if your use of induction was correct.. |
| 19:41.16 | Shirik | hey don't be mean to krka :( |
| 19:41.56 | zenzelezz | I induced your mom the right way |
| 19:42.59 | Lunessa | mikma: First rule of Italian driving: What's behind me is not important. |
| 19:43.42 | KarlKFI|work | it's more like, if 3 is prime and x (prime) + 2 is always prime, and x (odd) + 2 is always prime, then x (odd) >=3 is always prime. which is of course false because of assertion #2 |
| 19:44.14 | KarlKFI|work | s/x (odd) + 2 is always prime/x (odd) + 2 is always odd |
| 19:44.23 | nevcairiel | see, thats why we hate induction |
| 19:44.47 | Fisker | you wouldn't kill a goat Shirik |
| 19:45.12 | Lunessa | He would if it were named Fisker. |
| 19:45.20 | Shirik | Proof that every number equals 1: |
| 19:45.30 | Shirik | Base case: Does 1 =1 ? Yes. OK. Prove for n+1 |
| 19:45.48 | KarlKFI|work | depends on your definition of n |
| 19:45.59 | KarlKFI|work | if n = {1} then sure |
| 19:46.00 | Shirik | n is an arbitrary number, we don't care |
| 19:46.06 | Shirik | Fine |
| 19:46.07 | Fisker | names Lunessa Fisker |
| 19:46.08 | Shirik | if you want to be formal |
| 19:46.23 | nevcairiel | building false assumptions in induction is so easy :P |
| 19:46.24 | Lunessa | Fisker: Fail. I R not a goat. |
| 19:46.46 | Grum | <KarlKFI|work> if n = {1} then sure <-- n should be {0} ;p |
| 19:46.58 | Shirik | where the hell is the "element of" operator in unicode? |
| 19:47.07 | nevcairiel | abuse the ⬠sign :P |
| 19:47.11 | KarlKFI|work | Grum: technicalities |
| 19:47.30 | Shirik | karlKFI|work: nâZ |
| 19:47.31 | Shirik | ok? |
| 19:47.46 | KarlKFI|work | wow that's some huge line height |
| 19:47.46 | Grum | ? |
| 19:47.53 | Grum | mmmm |
| 19:47.58 | olafski | shirik: \in ;) |
| 19:47.59 | Grum | mine broke i think |
| 19:48.01 | Shirik | ânâZ |
| 19:48.13 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:48.17 | olafski | or $\in$ to be a tad more precise |
| 19:48.19 | KarlKFI|work | you pasting from word or something? |
| 19:48.26 | Shirik | just unicode chars |
| 19:48.31 | olafski | doesn't show up here |
| 19:48.39 | KarlKFI|work | i get liek an inch of line height |
| 19:48.39 | Shirik | well your client sucks then :P |
| 19:48.42 | Shirik | rofl |
| 19:48.46 | olafski | (the euro sign nevcairiel posted does show up) |
| 19:48.47 | Shirik | I can't really control your line height :) |
| 19:48.50 | nevcairiel | You cant control font size over IRC :P |
| 19:48.50 | Shirik | I'm just sending text |
| 19:49.02 | Shirik | However that's awesome |
| 19:49.03 | Shirik | I will try agian |
| 19:49.05 | Shirik | nâZ |
| 19:49.06 | Shirik | nâZ |
| 19:49.06 | KarlKFI|work | chatzilla fail |
| 19:49.12 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 19:49.25 | Shirik | Anyway I forgot where I was going with this proof |
| 19:49.43 | KarlKFI|work | rofl |
| 19:49.51 | Shirik | I was going to abuse the a=b, a^2=ab, a^2-b^2 = ab-b^2, (a+b)(a-b) = b(a-b), a+b=b, b+b=b, 2b=1b, 2=1 |
| 19:49.53 | Shirik | but |
| 19:49.55 | Shirik | I forgot how |
| 19:50.14 | nevcairiel | the error in there is so obvious anyway |
| 19:50.22 | Shirik | but it's fun! |
| 19:50.30 | nevcairiel | i should get it on a shirt |
| 19:50.43 | nevcairiel | its not so obvious to weak minds, and they get all confused and stuff |
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| 19:51.17 | Kraps | what are you guys saying? |
| 19:51.19 | kdtresh | like women = time * money? |
| 19:51.34 | KarlKFI|work | they're saying "hey i can prove dumb stuff witha broken rule" |
| 19:52.00 | nevcairiel | kdtresh: that one is correct math, at least :P |
| 19:52.11 | kdtresh | nevcairiel: it is indeed ;) |
| 19:52.32 | olafski | a^2 + b^2 = a+b |
| 19:52.39 | olafski | got a nice proof of that, but I'm sure you've seen it |
| 19:52.48 | olafski | ehh.. |
| 19:52.56 | olafski | sqrt(a^2+b^2) = a+b actually I think :P |
| 19:53.21 | nevcairiel | all that wrong math :P |
| 19:53.44 | olafski | obviously |
| 19:53.53 | olafski | but it looks somewhat right if you don't pay too much attention |
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| 19:54.06 | nevcairiel | well like the a=b => 2=1 one |
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| 19:54.26 | olafski | yarp |
| 19:54.42 | Kraps | nucleonucloceticacid |
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| 19:58.40 | Kraps | what, did i kill it? |
| 19:59.13 | Fisker | yes you are Lunessa |
| 19:59.42 | Lunessa | Fisker: Lies! Propaganda! I am a Satyr. |
| 20:00.25 | nevcairiel | so an evil goat |
| 20:03.26 | Lunessa | An evil perverted goat-man. |
| 20:03.48 | Lopeppeppy | Who tastes good in garlic butter |
| 20:04.07 | Lunessa | *salacious eyebrow waggle* |
| 20:04.38 | Dagmar | Let's not forget the unquenchable lust for maidens |
| 20:05.12 | Lunessa | Hell, they don't have to be "maidens" in the classical sense. |
| 20:05.36 | Lopeppeppy | Good, 'cause I don't know any. |
| 20:05.58 | Thunder_Child | i do |
| 20:06.27 | zenzelezz | http://www.gucomics.com/comic/?cdate=20091120 <-- I loved that tree |
| 20:06.30 | Thunder_Child | but you cant have 'em |
| 20:08.03 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Apparently, neither can anyone else. |
| 20:08.23 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, why is that? |
| 20:08.43 | Lunessa | TC: virginity joke, you missed it. |
| 20:09.08 | Thunder_Child | so i did |
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| 20:12.43 | NightHawkTheSane | anyone familiar with mysql fulltext matching? |
| 20:13.45 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: We don't want 'em |
| 20:14.01 | Dagmar | Only arabs are crazy enough to want seventy plus women who have no idea what to do with a penis |
| 20:14.51 | kdtresh | i don't think they're really concerned with the women doing anything, actually |
| 20:15.06 | Dagmar | Then WTF could they possibly want them for |
| 20:15.16 | Dagmar | Then again, they're idiot suicide bombers. |
| 20:15.23 | Dagmar | Planning ahead is probably not their strong suit. |
| 20:16.36 | Kraps | Dagmar: dont say that! ahmed was a wonderful boy! |
| 20:16.50 | Kraps | we are proud that he sploded himsef |
| 20:17.05 | Kraps | one less mouth to feed |
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| 20:23.34 | Kraps | do female suicide bombers get 72 male virgins? |
| 20:23.44 | Shirik | >< |
| 20:23.54 | Dagmar | No, they just get blowed up. |
| 20:23.56 | Dagmar | Arabs, remember. |
| 20:24.11 | NightHawkTheSane | i would imagine that women are not allowed to do such things |
| 20:24.20 | Dagmar | Oh they are |
| 20:24.22 | Audible | females are worth less than the explosives they strap on |
| 20:25.31 | Dagmar | Basically, if you're not an imam, you're disposable. If you're female, you're more than disposable because you couldn't even grow up to be an imam |
| 20:25.31 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: there have been some |
| 20:25.56 | Lopeppeppy | Wow, nice light topic of friendly conversation! |
| 20:26.11 | Lopeppeppy | So, let's have a vote. Stuffing, or sweet potatoes, which do you like better? |
| 20:27.14 | Audible | if you are talking explosive stuffing? |
| 20:27.19 | Lunessa | I can has both as side dish? I stuff my turkey with fruit and veggies when cooking. Secret recipe. |
| 20:27.38 | Lopeppeppy | You can have as many as you want. |
| 20:27.43 | Lopeppeppy | I don't like stuffing, I am only making sweet potatoes. |
| 20:28.03 | Kraps | what state is LA? |
| 20:28.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: both. |
| 20:28.17 | Lunessa | Louisianna |
| 20:28.23 | Thunder_Child | neither |
| 20:28.31 | Kraps | k thnx |
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| 20:30.36 | Fisker | yay |
| 20:30.44 | Fisker | anub'arak in phase 3 on like 10 tries |
| 20:31.15 | Jerub | Fisker: on 10 or 25? |
| 20:31.19 | Fisker | 25 heroic |
| 20:31.33 | Jerub | oh nice |
| 20:32.13 | Fisker | almost wiped the raid too |
| 20:32.56 | Jerub | coming here to say that |
| 20:33.15 | Fisker | some mage thought i couldn't single handedly deal with shadow strike :P |
| 20:34.18 | Thunder_Child | you can not |
| 20:34.26 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7QIcxoJU4g&feature=video_response |
| 20:34.40 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHgEnN2PFzo |
| 20:34.55 | Kraps | what do you play Fisker? |
| 20:38.13 | Fisker | pala |
| 20:38.38 | Lopeppeppy | Why else do you think he's bitter? |
| 20:39.01 | cbreak | ph over seven |
| 20:39.13 | Kraps | well... is he ret? |
| 20:39.33 | Fisker | ye |
| 20:39.57 | Kraps | ho boy |
| 20:40.17 | Kraps | idk any therapists sorry |
| 20:41.13 | Arrowmaster | Lopeppeppy: i believe the correct question is 'cake or death?' (or was it pie?) |
| 20:41.53 | zenzelezz | Pie or die! |
| 20:41.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: ah.. death, no.. no cake! |
| 20:42.12 | Lopeppeppy | The cake is a lie, hello. |
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| 20:44.46 | NightHawkTheSane | sighs |
| 20:45.14 | zenzelezz | I prefer that other saying |
| 20:46.15 | zenzelezz | "There's no use crying over every mistake, you just keep on going until you run out of cake" |
| 20:47.37 | Lopeppeppy | Except the ones who are dead. |
| 20:48.19 | zenzelezz | I'm not familiar with dead cakes |
| 20:48.38 | Lopeppeppy | Keep on trying. |
| 20:48.56 | Lopeppeppy | That's just my favorite line of the song. "Except the ones who are dead." |
| 20:49.16 | Thunder_Child | hmm..i think my freenode server is going to crash |
| 20:49.22 | zenzelezz | I don't know the full song, I never played Portal |
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| 20:50.19 | Kraps | you can see it on youtube |
| 20:50.28 | zenzelezz | I'm lazy |
| 20:50.46 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ljFaKRTrI |
| 20:50.51 | Thunder_Child | you should, it's a win gam |
| 20:50.52 | Thunder_Child | e |
| 20:52.35 | industrial | np: Run Level Zero - CNN of Worms |
| 20:52.40 | industrial | Jihadeehoo, Jihadeehee! |
| 20:52.54 | industrial | huggles industrial music authors' sarcasm |
| 20:53.04 | Thunder_Child | aaaaaaaaaand the servers go down again |
| 20:53.11 | Lopeppeppy | *gigglesnark* |
| 20:53.18 | Lopeppeppy | It's Tuesday, what did you expect? |
| 20:53.32 | Thunder_Child | no, i mean the same as last night |
| 20:53.44 | Thunder_Child | same servers* |
| 20:53.44 | Lopeppeppy | holiday related? |
| 20:54.08 | Thunder_Child | nope, power outage |
| 20:54.27 | Lopeppeppy | Nothing to be done about that, TC |
| 20:54.50 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, but they fixed it last night! |
| 20:55.05 | Lunessa | Power outage, do not want. |
| 20:55.17 | Lopeppeppy | How do you fix random power outages? |
| 20:55.54 | Kraps | more hamsters |
| 20:56.37 | Kraps | or hampsters if you prefer |
| 20:57.17 | Lopeppeppy | Ferrets |
| 20:58.18 | Kraps | gerbils |
| 21:00.49 | Lopeppeppy | rabbits |
| 21:01.42 | alestane | Fairly promising opening for a book: |
| 21:01.42 | alestane | "In the old days, before the Dragon Emperorâsometimes called the Eternal Emperor by those responsible for toadyingâhad invested the Halls of Law with the laws which governed the Empire, angry Dragons simply ate the idiots who were stupid enough to irritate them. Or, if they were unappetizing, burned them into a very slight pile of ash. |
| 21:01.43 | alestane | "Ash had the advantage of requiring little to no paperwork." |
| 21:02.15 | Kraps | is that misfile? |
| 21:02.30 | zenzelezz | "Police arrested a senior vice president from Island Def Jam Records, saying he hindered their crowd-control efforts by not cooperating. The crowd at a mall where Justin Bieber was appearing got out of control, and police wanted the man to send a tweet asking for calm; he refused and they arrested him on a felony assault charge 'for putting people in danger.'" |
| 21:02.49 | Kraps | oh you said book |
| 21:03.02 | alestane | Kraps: Wrong "ash." |
| 21:03.27 | Lunessa | http://graphjam.com/2009/11/24/funny-graphs-downloading-illegally/ |
| 21:03.42 | alestane | That venture has had much more staying power than Haze's first attempt. |
| 21:04.13 | Kraps | haze the game? |
| 21:04.58 | alestane | Chris Hazelton. We called him Haze in college to distinguish him from other Chris-type people. |
| 21:05.53 | Kraps | hes a fantasy writer? |
| 21:06.20 | alestane | He draws the webcomic "Misfile" to which I thought you were referring. |
| 21:06.45 | alestane | And started out with the strip "Building 12: It ended in a bloodbath from Hell." |
| 21:07.14 | Kraps | yeah i was talking about the comic |
| 21:07.50 | Kraps | i stopped reading a bit ago |
| 21:07.57 | Kraps | was getting repetitive |
| 21:09.33 | alestane | While the different arcs have some fairly similar elements (racing, in particular is a definitive element of the story), it hasn't ever reached a point where I'd say it's stagnated. Not like, say, Inuyasha. |
| 21:11.01 | Shirik | how dare you criticize Inuyasha! |
| 21:12.23 | alestane | I loved Inuyasha for about the first six arcs. I might have loved it if it had lasted another three after that. But when it became clear that it would continue for as many as they could sell, I lost interest. |
| 21:12.55 | Shirik | tbh they should end it and spin off |
| 21:13.05 | Shirik | I think they would get better interest |
| 21:13.12 | Shirik | hell, just saying "it's ending" is enough to attract interest |
| 21:13.35 | Shirik | you could do an entire season of "it's ending" with adamant watchers |
| 21:13.50 | Shirik | hm, wrong word |
| 21:13.50 | Shirik | but oh well |
| 21:14.17 | Kraps | when i found webcomics for the for the first time, i crammed as many as possible into google reader. following them all turned out to be too much work so right now i follow just "the phoenix requiem" and "white noise" |
| 21:14.17 | Lopeppeppy | It's been done before. :) |
| 21:15.20 | Shirik | how can you not follow xkcd |
| 21:15.25 | Shirik | Kraps, you are no longer authorized to be within this channel |
| 21:15.35 | Kraps | ok i follow that :) |
| 21:15.39 | Kraps | really |
| 21:15.57 | Kraps | i was talking about stories |
| 21:16.18 | alestane | Yes, I'm very impressed by Sarah Ellerton. |
| 21:16.44 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.30 | Shirik | hm, I am somewhat disappointed with yesterday's XKCD though |
| 21:17.51 | Shirik | I expected some bit of awesomeness about 666 |
| 21:17.54 | Fisker | anyone got a link to that warlock comic where he keeps dotting up a pala |
| 21:18.02 | Fisker | and then he death coils and explodes the fucking world! |
| 21:18.19 | durcyn | that sounds retarded. |
| 21:18.25 | durcyn | hell, that sounds almost danish. |
| 21:18.36 | Kraps | white noise would be a great dystopia movie, just hope she finishes it within the next 20 years >:( |
| 21:18.37 | Fisker | Well then it and your mother has something in common |
| 21:18.57 | cogwheel | would like to eat a danish |
| 21:19.06 | Shirik | .... |
| 21:19.08 | Fisker | eat me |
| 21:19.11 | Shirik | ~lart cogwheel |
| 21:19.11 | purl | gives cogwheel a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 21:20.03 | Thunder_Child | ~eat Fisker |
| 21:20.04 | purl | ACTION slurps up all the Fisker available |
| 21:20.18 | Thunder_Child | uh...eww |
| 21:20.34 | Kraps | alestane: you saw her deviantart? |
| 21:20.45 | alestane | Kraps: Maybe a while ago. |
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| 21:22.52 | Shirik | you should see my deviantart |
| 21:22.52 | Kraps | she has a painting of petria in her previous emplyment |
| 21:23.04 | Shirik | my work is so real it doesn't look drawn at all |
| 21:23.04 | Shirik | or painted |
| 21:23.11 | Shirik | or almost looks as if it's an exact copy of what was there |
| 21:23.17 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Shirik |
| 21:23.17 | purl | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down Shirik's throat until Shirik puts on 150lbs |
| 21:23.31 | Shirik | wtf, I didn't lie |
| 21:24.19 | Thunder_Child | obfuscation |
| 21:24.51 | Kraps | Shirik: xkcd goes over my head a lot |
| 21:26.58 | zenzelezz | better that than behind your back |
| 21:27.25 | durcyn | only if your girlfriend is named megan, apparently |
| 21:28.58 | Fisker | 28%! |
| 21:29.39 | alestane | C won't let you substitute a function that takes a typed pointer as an argument for a function that takes a void* as an argument, will it? |
| 21:31.51 | cbreak | that would be a type violation I think |
| 21:31.54 | zenzelezz | not sure, but C is generally very "sure, whatever, see if I care" |
| 21:32.34 | alestane | Well, I have a function that accepts as an argument a pointer to a function with a particular prototype that includes a void* as one argument. |
| 21:32.37 | cbreak | since void pointers are not a subset of a specific type of pointers |
| 21:33.28 | alestane | I'm trying to figure out if I can pass a pointer to a function that has the same prototype, except that it would have a pointer to a struct in the corresponding argument position. |
| 21:33.34 | alestane | I suspect not. |
| 21:33.39 | cbreak | I'd hope not |
| 21:34.25 | alestane | Which means I get to accept a void* and then cast it into a someStruct* myself. |
| 21:34.30 | cbreak | if that would be possible, I could pass your function id pointers (Objective-C Objects) and it would have to be able to deal with them. |
| 21:34.45 | cbreak | but that would be a type violation |
| 21:35.48 | alestane | Weel, the function is being used as a callback for an event loop timer, so I know what's going to be passed there when the timer is set up. But I understand why it's not going to happen implicitly. |
| 21:37.41 | cbreak | you could write a method wrapper :) |
| 21:37.52 | alestane | I'm working in straight C at the moment. |
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| 21:41.15 | ZorbaTHut | olafski, yeah, I may very well release it as a separate addon - it uses a little bit of QH infrastructure but nothing that would be too hard to split out |
| 21:41.36 | ZorbaTHut | I put it in mostly as a proof-of-concept, it needs some tweaking for me to think it's really acceptable as a separate addon |
| 21:41.59 | olafski | that's awesome :D |
| 21:42.14 | olafski | would really help with, as you said in the qh notes, finding rare mobs |
| 21:42.41 | ZorbaTHut | And yes, it pretty much highlights your target on the map as if you were tracking it. It doesn't deal with vertical offsets very well, it has a bit of trouble with fast-moving creatures, and you have to move around a bit for it to narrow down |
| 21:43.05 | ZorbaTHut | but in most cases it works quite well and quickly |
| 21:43.16 | Lunessa | hate Access SO MUCH |
| 21:44.01 | Dagmar | Lunessa: That's how you know it's working. |
| 21:44.07 | Lunessa | lol |
| 21:44.22 | Dagmar | could be worse tho |
| 21:44.31 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: oh, did you finally get around to implementing that? |
| 21:44.34 | Lunessa | could be oracle |
| 21:44.40 | olafski | zorbathut: yeah, I tried it a few minutes after I asked :) looks good |
| 21:44.45 | Dagmar | When I get home tonight, I have to _voluntarily_ install some form of MSSQL on my W7 machine just to get the editor for DA:O to work |
| 21:44.53 | Dagmar | Apparently the light version of SQL 2005 it ships with is crap |
| 21:44.55 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, yeah, works really well :) |
| 21:45.02 | ZorbaTHut | (afk a bit, shower) |
| 21:45.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: neat :) you really ought to split that out into a separate addon. :) |
| 21:50.13 | alestane | Xcode's auto-complete is WAY more useful in 3.2 than in 3.0. |
| 21:50.34 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, I'll have to move astrolabe_qh over also |
| 21:50.41 | ZorbaTHut | well, won't be too bad |
| 21:50.46 | zenzelezz | 3.2 is the one you need 10.6 for? |
| 21:51.27 | alestane | It came with my Snow Leopard disk, so I expect so. |
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| 21:51.34 | alestane | It's a huge improvement so far. |
| 21:52.11 | zenzelezz | I'm on Xcode 3.1, but would like to go 3.2... but I'd have to upgrade the OS first as far as I know (on 10.5) |
| 21:53.15 | Bruners | industrial: at the starting thingie |
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| 22:16.51 | Shirik | bah, where is the adys |
| 22:21.27 | Teomyr | wow |
| 22:21.30 | Teomyr | adys is in fact offline |
| 22:21.36 | Teomyr | marks the day in his calendar |
| 22:21.55 | Cide- | I am in fact online |
| 22:22.10 | Cide- | in my new apartment |
| 22:22.19 | Ackis | Fisker: http://i50.tinypic.com/2r4o6c2.jpg |
| 22:22.23 | Cide- | Shirik: did you prove it? |
| 22:22.33 | Shirik | sorta |
| 22:23.45 | Cide- | how? |
| 22:24.51 | zenzelezz | "What also floats?" |
| 22:25.27 | Ackis | zenzelezz: my poop? |
| 22:26.28 | zenzelezz | a duck |
| 22:26.39 | Ackis | i've never pooped a duck before |
| 22:27.08 | Keias | small rocks! |
| 22:27.11 | zenzelezz | she's a witch! |
| 22:27.45 | Ackis | ~seen Fisker |
| 22:27.51 | purl | fisker is currently on #wowuidev (22h 55m 41s) #wowace (22h 55m 41s) #wowwiki (22h 55m 41s). Has said a total of 90 messages. Is idling for 18m 26s, last said: 'OMG YOU HAEV MY PASSWORD'. |
| 22:28.06 | Ackis | wow Fisker just wow |
| 22:30.38 | WobWork | Ackis: is that a TCG reward? |
| 22:30.40 | Shirik | ok Cide, I told you what was to be proven, right? |
| 22:30.59 | WobWork | Ackis: cause that's adorable |
| 22:31.05 | Ackis | WobWork: both are, the cub is from the set released today (I got it on saturday) |
| 22:32.06 | WobWork | Ackis: Blizzard totally need to add more random npc interaction |
| 22:32.47 | WobWork | cause it'd be -awesome- if your orphan during children's week rode around on that cub |
| 22:33.03 | Ackis | heh that'd be funny |
| 22:33.35 | Dagmar | Sure... |
| 22:33.53 | Dagmar | Older man, wears funny clothes, seen tooling around with a minor no one's keeping too close an eye on... |
| 22:34.02 | Dagmar | Buyin' the minor clothes and stuff just like he wears. |
| 22:34.08 | Dagmar | Everyone will think that's _completely_ fine |
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| 22:35.55 | Shirik | ~seen Adys |
| 22:35.57 | purl | adys <n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 2h 1m 17s ago, saying: 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHgEnN2PFzo'. |
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| 22:40.39 | Cide- | Shirik: yes |
| 22:40.51 | Shirik | ok well I thought I proved it |
| 22:40.53 | Shirik | but I didn't |
| 22:40.57 | Shirik | I semi-proved it |
| 22:41.02 | Cide- | x^n-y^n divides x-y for n=>1? |
| 22:41.15 | Cide- | n>=1 |
| 22:41.45 | Shirik | well, the other way around |
| 22:41.47 | Shirik | but yes |
| 22:42.00 | Cide- | I never figure out which way to say that |
| 22:42.14 | Cide- | (x^n - y^n)/(x-y) = k for some integer k, given n>=1 |
| 22:42.27 | Shirik | yes |
| 22:42.30 | Cide- | and x!=y |
| 22:43.22 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/4fef46f5771b5c8f8e14472a1cea012d.png is what I di |
| 22:43.31 | Shirik | but I'm pretty sure it's wrong |
| 22:44.16 | Shirik | I just needed some kind of answer |
| 22:44.28 | Shirik | I'm going to write a lisp theorem to try to prove it |
| 22:44.32 | Cide- | you got it the wrong way around |
| 22:44.35 | Cide- | didn't you? |
| 22:44.40 | Shirik | yes I know :) |
| 22:45.04 | Cide- | xx^n - yy^n == (x+y)(x^n - y^n) + xy^n - yx^n |
| 22:46.14 | NightHawkTheSane | i need to stop clicking on just any link you people post in here >< |
| 22:46.35 | Cide- | Shirik: hmm, consider this |
| 22:46.46 | Cide- | maybe not |
| 22:50.36 | Cide- | xx^n - yy^n = (x+y)(x^n - y^n) + (x*y^n + y*-x^n) == (x+y)(x^n - y^n + y^n - x^n) + yy^n - xx^n |
| 22:50.59 | Cide- | that totally doesn't make sense |
| 22:52.44 | Dagmar | Needs more thetas. |
| 22:54.21 | Cide- | what's the mistake? |
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| 22:54.26 | Cide- | Shirik |
| 22:57.23 | Shirik | Cide-, do you know lisp? |
| 22:57.31 | Cide- | barely |
| 22:58.29 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/129405 |
| 22:58.38 | Shirik | note that "thm" just means "prove this theorem" |
| 22:58.57 | Shirik | (IMPLIES x y) is just "x implies y" |
| 22:59.02 | Shirik | but my prover can't prove this :( |
| 22:59.22 | Cide- | spot my mistake above |
| 22:59.28 | Cide- | I can't |
| 23:00.01 | theorbtwo | Funny, I'd have made (thm (IMPLIES x y)) be a statement that this is a thm, and thm-p mean "please prove or disprove this". |
| 23:00.15 | theorbtwo | Also, why is IMPLES all-caps? |
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| 23:00.29 | Shirik | because I felt this :P |
| 23:00.42 | Shirik | and theorbtwo, it's "thm" because it IS a statement that says "This is a theorem" |
| 23:00.47 | Shirik | you teach it theorems |
| 23:00.51 | Shirik | but it doesn't just accept it as true |
| 23:00.58 | Shirik | It has to prove the theorem to itself for it to accept it |
| 23:01.02 | Shirik | once it's accepted, it can be used in future proofs |
| 23:01.11 | Shirik | think of it as an AI student :) |
| 23:01.57 | theorbtwo | Ah, hm. Makes some degree of sense, now. |
| 23:05.25 | Legorol | Cide-: are you still trying to factor (x^n - y^n)? |
| 23:05.32 | Cide- | no |
| 23:05.36 | Legorol | ok |
| 23:06.06 | Shirik | anyway Cide- |
| 23:06.09 | Shirik | have the 5 miles of output |
| 23:09.25 | Shirik | Cide-: http://wowi.pastey.net/129406 |
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| 23:09.35 | Shirik | and theorbtwo since you seem interested: http://wowi.pastey.net/129406 |
| 23:09.43 | Shirik | that's it trying to prove (and failing) my theorem |
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| 23:11.10 | Kraps_ | gotta check this out soon http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/wowanniversary/ |
| 23:11.17 | Cide- | Shirik: did I make a mistake? |
| 23:11.25 | Shirik | I don't know :D |
| 23:11.25 | Kraps_ | and disconnects are fail |
| 23:12.02 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/11/graphic_polar_bears_falling_fr.php |
| 23:12.09 | Cide- | yes |
| 23:13.17 | Cide- | well, I did prove 0 = 0 |
| 23:13.28 | Shirik | No induction schemes are suggested by *1.4. Consequently, the proof |
| 23:13.28 | Shirik | 774attempt has failed. |
| 23:13.30 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:14.54 | Kraps_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsikPswAYUM&feature=player_embedded# |
| 23:15.03 | Kraps_ | this makes me sad |
| 23:15.03 | Cide- | ya, no clue |
| 23:15.57 | Shirik | I got further... |
| 23:16.28 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/129407 --> http://wowi.pastey.net/129408 |
| 23:16.33 | Shirik | I'm down to 1.2! |
| 23:16.36 | Shirik | so close |
| 23:17.13 | Cide- | lol |
| 23:17.13 | Cide- | good luck |
| 23:18.03 | Shirik | what I don't get is (IMPLIES (AND (<= 1 N) |
| 23:18.07 | Shirik | how it's getting that |
| 23:18.08 | Shirik | oh |
| 23:18.18 | Shirik | it just reversed the order |
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| 23:20.50 | Shirik | cide you know lisp right? |
| 23:20.50 | Shirik | wtf is this: |
| 23:20.50 | Shirik | (/ (+ X (- Y)) |
| 23:21.06 | Shirik | That's something the theorem prover got to right before it gave up... |
| 23:21.26 | Shirik | x - y / something |
| 23:21.31 | Shirik | but where did the second argument to / go? |
| 23:21.40 | Shirik | (/ (+ X (- Y))) |
| 23:26.35 | Shirik | ok Cide- here's a hint |
| 23:26.43 | Shirik | the theorem prover is trying to prove this (and failing): |
| 23:27.18 | Shirik | x^n / (x-y) - y^n / (x-y) is always an integer (given x, y, and n are >= 1 and integers, and x != y) |
| 23:28.10 | Shirik | perhaps it's going in the wrong direction |
| 23:30.34 | ccox | are you sure you typed that correctly? |
| 23:30.52 | ccox | (since (x-y) is a common divisor in that case) |
| 23:34.19 | batrick | http://www.batbytes.com/zagg.jpg |
| 23:34.20 | batrick | zagg rocks. |
| 23:36.17 | industrial | why does UnitAura('player', 'Dazed') return nothing when I walk into a mob with cheetah on and get dazed? |
| 23:36.48 | Dagmar | "We would like to especially ask that none of you think about how a bit of shrink-wrapping plastic and a common hair dryer can do a better job than our product with less hassle." |
| 23:36.55 | industrial | https://gist.github.com/e323c8e15c246728d298 |
| 23:37.46 | Dagmar | You need to check for event == 'PLAYER_IS_NOOBING_IT_UP' |
| 23:38.51 | industrial | I need to check for that event with your mom |
| 23:38.59 | industrial | (;o) |
| 23:39.22 | industrial | https://gist.github.com/e323c8e15c246728d298 |
| 23:39.22 | industrial | :p |
| 23:40.26 | Cide- | Shirik: well yeah |
| 23:41.10 | Cide- | if x^n - y^n (mod (x-y)) = 0, then x^n (mod (x-y)) = y^n (mod (x-y)) |
| 23:41.44 | industrial | https://gist.github.com/e323c8e15c246728d298 |
| 23:41.44 | industrial | :E |
| 23:42.22 | Shirik | ok Cide- |
| 23:42.33 | Shirik | I gave it a new theorem |
| 23:42.33 | Shirik | hopefully this helps it prove it... |
| 23:42.43 | Shirik | It accepted my subtheorem |
| 23:43.02 | Shirik | divisible(n, d) implies divisible(m*n, d) |
| 23:44.09 | Cide- | isn't that trivial? :P |
| 23:44.11 | Cide- | anyway, I'm off to bed. good luck |
| 23:44.17 | Shirik | hopefully |
| 23:44.21 | Shirik | but who knows |
| 23:46.31 | WobWork | anyone want a google wave invite? |
| 23:48.16 | batrick | That's a proven theorem somewhere shirik |
| 23:48.21 | batrick | at least in my discrete math book |
| 23:48.24 | Shirik | sure |
| 23:48.29 | Shirik | wait, which one? |
| 23:48.33 | batrick | and I only would remember that because I TA DM this semester |
| 23:48.45 | batrick | divisible(n, d) implies divisible(m*n, d) |
| 23:48.51 | Shirik | well yes, I hope so :P |
| 23:49.02 | Shirik | But point is I need to solve the more complex one |
| 23:49.14 | Shirik | I'm trying to guide the prover there but it doesn't like my solution |
| 23:49.14 | Shirik | er |
| 23:49.14 | batrick | you would write that as: d | n -> d | m * n |
| 23:49.14 | Shirik | my theorem |
| 23:49.31 | Shirik | not in lisp! |
| 23:49.40 | bleeter | idly wonder what this rumour is about Maya being shut down in 2012 |
| 23:49.40 | batrick | that's logic notation dude |
| 23:49.57 | Shirik | but it's not lisp |
| 23:49.58 | batrick | what's not lisp |
| 23:50.02 | batrick | o nvm |
| 23:50.06 | Shirik | the theorem |
| 23:50.06 | batrick | ya who cares |
| 23:50.10 | Shirik | my theorem prover does! |
| 23:50.20 | batrick | whatever |
| 23:50.25 | batrick | another good one is |
| 23:50.53 | batrick | d | a AND d | b -> d | b + a |
| 23:51.11 | batrick | it makes me sad when my students just declare that as fact |
| 23:51.20 | batrick | if the l00sers would read the book then they would know these things |
| 23:51.39 | Shirik | hm |
| 23:51.42 | Shirik | I wonder if it can prove that |
| 23:51.54 | Shirik | maybe that's the stepping stone it needs |
| 23:53.02 | Shirik | No induction schemes are suggested by *1. Consequently, the proof |
| 23:53.02 | Shirik | attempt has failed. |
| 23:53.07 | Shirik | maybe I wrote it wrong, one sec |
| 23:53.19 | Shirik | wait, that relies on a, b, and d are integers, right? |
| 23:53.25 | batrick | naturally |
| 23:53.31 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:53.31 | Shirik | naturally |
| 23:53.56 | Shirik | hm still fails |
| 23:54.12 | batrick | ya well i don't know lisp |
| 23:54.12 | batrick | so can't help ya |
| 23:54.12 | Shirik | a and b can't be 0 |
| 23:54.23 | batrick | but if you want me to brain dump some more theorems just pst |
| 23:54.23 | Shirik | your theorem is flawed! |
| 23:54.27 | Shirik | not lisps's fault! |
| 23:54.34 | batrick | actually a and b CAN be 0 |
| 23:54.42 | Shirik | oh |
| 23:54.46 | Shirik | I guess |
| 23:54.48 | Shirik | yeah |
| 23:54.56 | Shirik | but what about a = 1, b = -1 |
| 23:55.00 | Shirik | then it asplode |
| 23:55.00 | batrick | divisibility is defined as: d | a if an integer n exists such that: d = a * n |
| 23:55.04 | *** join/#wowuidev Sylvir (n=michaelt@173-19-240-170.client.mchsi.com) |
| 23:55.11 | Sylvir | HALP SOMEONE! |
| 23:55.11 | Sylvir | Message: Interface\AddOns\iRaid\iRaid.lua:90: attempt to concatenate global 'health_helper_perc' (a nil value) |
| 23:55.11 | Sylvir | Time: 11/24/09 17:51:28 |
| 23:55.13 | Shirik | oh really? |
| 23:55.15 | *** join/#wowuidev Sylvir (n=michaelt@173-19-240-170.client.mchsi.com) |
| 23:55.15 | batrick | err |
| 23:55.21 | batrick | backwards |
| 23:55.21 | Shirik | maybe my definition of divisibility is wrong... |
| 23:55.29 | Sylvir | <---thinks he broke it. |
| 23:55.29 | batrick | a = d * n |
| 23:55.36 | batrick | so if a == 0 then n == 0 |
| 23:55.37 | Sylvir | anyone wanna help me out with an error? |
| 23:55.40 | Sylvir | its counting...alot... |
| 23:55.47 | Shirik | I have it defined as "n / d is an integer" |
| 23:55.51 | Sylvir | over 4k errors. |
| 23:55.51 | Cide- | Shirik! |
| 23:55.58 | Sylvir | pwease? :( |
| 23:56.10 | batrick | Shirik: what about integer arithmetic? |
| 23:56.18 | Shirik | try to reword that without "there exists" |
| 23:56.20 | Sylvir | anyone T_T |
| 23:56.22 | Shirik | "there exists" is hard to write |
| 23:56.25 | Cide- | x^n - y^n (mod (x-y)) = 0, so x^n (mod (x-y)) = y^n (mod (x-y)) |
| 23:56.33 | Sylvir | o.o |
| 23:56.33 | Sylvir | holy math |
| 23:56.43 | Cide- | thus, x^n = k(x-y)+r for some k and r |
| 23:56.56 | Cide- | Shirik! |
| 23:56.56 | Cide- | x^n - y^n (mod (x-y)) = 0, so x^n (mod (x-y)) = y^n (mod (x-y)) |
| 23:56.58 | batrick | Cide-: ! |
| 23:56.59 | Sylvir | Please someone help? |
| 23:57.02 | Shirik | shhh Cide- |
| 23:57.04 | Cide- | thus, x^n = k(x-y)+r for some k and r |
| 23:57.08 | Shirik | need to figure uot the acl2 part first |
| 23:57.12 | Shirik | but ok I'll look at the logs |
| 23:57.13 | Sylvir | :( |
| 23:57.19 | Sylvir | this fails. |
| 23:57.20 | Cide- | similarly, y^n = m(x-y)+r for some m and the same r |
| 23:57.27 | Sylvir | thanks for the help >< |
| 23:57.44 | Dagmar | You're quite welcome |
| 23:57.51 | batrick | Sylvir: patience is a virtue best practiced in silence |
| 23:58.01 | Cide- | and so x^n - y^n = k(x-y)+r - (m(x-y)+r) = k(x-y) - m(x-y) |
| 23:58.03 | Shirik | Sylvir: I advise that you google "How to ask the right questions" and come back |
| 23:58.18 | Shirik | sorry, wrong |
| 23:58.18 | Shirik | http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 23:58.18 | Shirik | that one |
| 23:58.21 | Dagmar | So this is pretty hilarious. |
| 23:58.38 | Sylvir | ./hasburningquestionthatneedstobeanswered. |
| 23:58.49 | Shirik | And yet, you still haven't actually asked any question |
| 23:58.55 | Shirik | so any attempt for us to help you will prove quite futile |
| 23:58.56 | Sylvir | i did too o.o |
| 23:58.57 | Dagmar | When you go to your Google box and type in "ask to ask" it gives you one line of auto-complete: Suggestion "don't ask to ask" |
| 23:59.02 | Cide- | thus xx^n - yy^n = x(k(x-y)) - y(m(x-y)) = (x-y)(xk - ym) and thus xx^n - yy^n divides (x-y) by induction |
| 23:59.05 | batrick | SHIIRK FINSH UR PROOF |
| 23:59.07 | Cide- | ^ Shirik |
| 23:59.09 | Shirik | Would you like to show me where you asked this question? |
| 23:59.10 | Sylvir | "anyone wanna help me out with an error" |
| 23:59.19 | Sylvir | [17:54] <batrick> a = d * n |
| 23:59.19 | Sylvir | [17:55] <batrick> so if a == 0 then n == 0 |
| 23:59.19 | Sylvir | [17:55] <Sylvir> anyone wanna help me out with an error? |
| 23:59.19 | Sylvir | [17:55] <Sylvir> its counting...alot... |
| 23:59.24 | Dagmar | "Not really" <-- good answer |
| 23:59.26 | Shirik | no |
| 23:59.28 | Shirik | Next customer please |
| 23:59.34 | Shirik | read my link, then come back |
| 23:59.34 | Sylvir | o.o |
| 23:59.36 | Sylvir | i love you too. |
| 23:59.45 | batrick | seriously, read shirik's link |
| 23:59.46 | batrick | please |
| 23:59.48 | batrick | anyway |
| 23:59.50 | batrick | SHIIRK FINSH UR PROOF |
| 23:59.54 | batrick | SHIIRK FINSH UR PROOF |
| 23:59.54 | Cide- | Shirik: see above and let me know if it's correct tomorrow |
| 23:59.58 | Cide- | I'm too tired to think |
| 23:59.59 | Shirik | batrick, you're going to get banned if you keep that up |
