| 00:00.04 | Shirik | FillMemory(mem, 0xFF, sizeof(mem)) |
| 00:00.12 | Shirik | desaturated! |
| 00:00.29 | Dagmar | w00t! |
| 00:00.49 | Dagmar | Meh. _whited out_ is more like it |
| 00:00.55 | Shirik | but it's 0% saturation! |
| 00:01.02 | Shirik | Actually I think it's 0% and 100% |
| 00:01.12 | Dagmar | You've lost the image. |
| 00:01.20 | Shirik | You didn't qualify your requirements :D |
| 00:01.25 | batrick | i think shirik meant memset |
| 00:01.30 | Shirik | no |
| 00:01.34 | batrick | :) |
| 00:01.38 | Shirik | I don't use your noob POSIX calls |
| 00:01.54 | batrick | ya you should use non-standard functions |
| 00:02.00 | Shirik | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366561(VS.85).aspx |
| 00:02.00 | batrick | it's what cool kids do |
| 00:02.03 | Shirik | Though I got the parameters backwards |
| 00:03.04 | Jamash | perhaps trying to put everything on one button isn't the best idea |
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| 00:03.56 | Shirik | batrick |
| 00:03.59 | Shirik | join the resistance |
| 00:04.11 | Shirik | together we will rise up and avoid POSIX calls at all costs |
| 00:04.25 | batrick | i'd rather make my new OS |
| 00:04.31 | Lopeppeppy | What's for dinner? |
| 00:04.41 | Jamash | BeOS |
| 00:04.51 | Lopeppeppy | Too much fiber. |
| 00:04.58 | Shirik | no Jamash |
| 00:04.59 | Shirik | BaOS |
| 00:05.07 | Jamash | BacOS? |
| 00:05.13 | batrick | I'll call it SheepOS |
| 00:05.25 | batrick | the microsoft kill3r |
| 00:05.39 | cog|away | everything you believe is a lie! |
| 00:05.49 | Jamash | google's already doing it |
| 00:06.12 | Shirik | with what, chrome OS? |
| 00:06.15 | Jamash | yeah |
| 00:06.18 | Shirik | You honestly think that's going to replace Windows? |
| 00:06.23 | Jamash | no |
| 00:06.24 | batrick | getting rid of personal hard drives, as an idea, is destined for failure |
| 00:06.31 | Jamash | I just think it's a sheep-like OS |
| 00:06.37 | cog|away | Lopeppeppy: pot roast |
| 00:06.54 | Dagmar | Shirik: For people who absolutely do not want viruses scerwing with their stuff and who just do email and wordprocessing stuff? |
| 00:07.06 | Dagmar | Google's presentation sounds pretty sweet |
| 00:07.09 | Jamash | I like the idea of cloud computing as long as I can pull my data out and leave whenever I want |
| 00:07.18 | Jamash | if I can't do that, I have a problem |
| 00:07.27 | batrick | mounting your hard drive partition as read-only is hard. |
| 00:07.28 | Shirik | how would you know? :) |
| 00:07.36 | Jamash | try it, I guess |
| 00:07.44 | Dagmar | They're makin' it sound like if you drop yout chromebook down a well you can just buy a new one and pick up where you left off |
| 00:08.00 | Dagmar | batrick: Good luck getting Windows ot not throw a fit about that |
| 00:08.05 | Jamash | isn't there a kernel boot param for that? |
| 00:08.13 | Jamash | or do you mean without rebooting |
| 00:08.22 | Lopeppeppy | spanks cogwheel! |
| 00:08.24 | Dagmar | Jamash: For Linux / is already mounted to by default on sane distro |
| 00:08.33 | Jamash | true |
| 00:08.33 | Dagmar | s/to/ro/; |
| 00:08.35 | Lopeppeppy | I don't have any pot roast, silly. That's not something to cook for a single person. |
| 00:08.43 | Shirik | there is a kernel boot param for everything |
| 00:08.51 | Dagmar | You 'ave to use pivot_root just to replace / with a rw mount |
| 00:08.56 | batrick | there's one for shirik_friendly |
| 00:08.57 | Shirik | linux --no-suck |
| 00:09.05 | Dagmar | ~failrik |
| 00:09.06 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 00:09.06 | batrick | i believe the default is 0 |
| 00:09.07 | Shirik | or whatever it is |
| 00:09.11 | cogwheel | Turkey quesadilla with salsa? |
| 00:09.15 | Jamash | linux --run-world-of-warcraft |
| 00:09.22 | Jamash | and yes I've tried WINE |
| 00:09.31 | Dagmar | Kernel boot params are not prefixed by "--" |
| 00:09.38 | batrick | OWNT |
| 00:09.43 | batrick | SHUT DOWN SHIRIK |
| 00:10.02 | Shirik | w/e Dagmar :P |
| 00:10.17 | Dagmar | vmlinuz initrd=/dev/urandom init=/bin/beep |
| 00:10.30 | Shirik | wtf |
| 00:10.31 | Jamash | I should actually try running wow on wine again |
| 00:10.38 | Lopeppeppy | I don't have any of those either, cogwheel. I have... um... cereal, and... a few strips of turkey bacon... and... fruit cocktail, and a bunch of frozen stuff. |
| 00:10.43 | Jamash | perhaps support for my ati card has improved in the meantime |
| 00:10.45 | Shirik | pets Lopeppeppy |
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| 00:10.53 | Dagmar | Well, either one of those would probably be a laugh riot, but the latter alone could make you some serious enemies |
| 00:11.00 | Dagmar | They won't work well together |
| 00:11.27 | Lopeppeppy | I'm such a bachelor. |
| 00:12.01 | Jamash | all you need is cereal |
| 00:12.07 | Jamash | and pie |
| 00:12.24 | Lopeppeppy | Pretty much, but I don't eat pie, so I have cereal and fruit cocktail |
| 00:13.12 | Jamash | you don't eat pie? :-O |
| 00:17.09 | Lopeppeppy | In general I avoid eating rampant sugar. |
| 00:17.20 | Shirik | nevcairiel |
| 00:17.24 | Shirik | you make BT right? |
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| 00:20.35 | Shirik | waves at Iriel |
| 00:20.37 | NightHawkTheSane | he did, if i remember correctly |
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| 00:20.48 | Shirik | might I share ccox's suggestion with you Iriel? |
| 00:20.51 | Iriel | lo shirik |
| 00:21.05 | Lopeppeppy | hi hi, Iriel-person! |
| 00:21.19 | Iriel | Shirik: Sure |
| 00:22.31 | Shirik | ccox advises the 70-200 f/2.8L due to quality of the shot, and then if I want to go further, pick up a 300mm prime and perhaps a 1.4x extender |
| 00:22.45 | Shishire | Anyone know of an addon that caches all profession links you get? I'm looking to build a list of who has what pattern/recipie/etc., so I don't have to spam trade asking for who has it. |
| 00:23.28 | Lopeppeppy | But wouldn't it also capture anyone who is asking who has it, and record them as if they had it? |
| 00:23.51 | Iriel | Shirik: Doesn't it essentially boil down to "where in the range will you be shooting most" ? |
| 00:24.12 | Shirik | true |
| 00:24.17 | Shirik | but I really don't know the answer to that right now |
| 00:24.24 | Shirik | I really want to get into wildlife shots, especially birds |
| 00:24.29 | Lopeppeppy | Birds! |
| 00:24.41 | cogwheel | To everything, turn, turn, turn... |
| 00:24.49 | Shirik | but how close I can get is under debate |
| 00:24.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Shishire: i dont know one off hand, but i keep meaning to add that functionality to one of my addons >< |
| 00:25.06 | Shirik | But he raises a good point -- having a telephoto at the 300/400ish range is probably overkill |
| 00:25.09 | NightHawkTheSane | I might get around to that this weekend... |
| 00:25.23 | Shirik | and the extra quality of the f/2.8 would be nice |
| 00:25.35 | Shirik | And, of course, I always have 23 megapixels to back me up |
| 00:25.35 | Shishire | I'm gonna write a library that does that |
| 00:25.37 | NightHawkTheSane | i guess that does't really help you though |
| 00:25.48 | Shirik | 23 megapixels allows for quite a bit of digital zoom without too bad loss in quality :) |
| 00:25.49 | Shishire | Ask me about it in a day or two |
| 00:25.55 | NightHawkTheSane | if i remember, i will! |
| 00:26.02 | NightHawkTheSane | i have a bad memory, and i'm not 100% sober atm, so. ;) |
| 00:26.09 | Shishire | I should have it up on curseforge |
| 00:26.10 | Iriel | What is the return policy of the place you're thinking of ordering from? |
| 00:26.16 | Shishire | that's what logs are for :P |
| 00:26.18 | Shirik | I haven't gotten that far |
| 00:26.23 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, on a related question, is there any way of knowing if a profession link you have is bad or not? |
| 00:26.24 | Iriel | You could pick one, take it out for a weekend, and then if it's just not right, send it back |
| 00:26.37 | NightHawkTheSane | (due to it being recorded prior to a patch where the cache was cleared) |
| 00:26.38 | Iriel | If you're happy - then you're happy - Dont overthink it and fill your library with pictures of birds 8-) |
| 00:26.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Shishire: assuming i remember to look at the log. ;) |
| 00:27.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Shishire: somewhere along the way ther's room for mememory breakdown. :P |
| 00:27.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Iriel: what's wrong with pictures of birds. :( |
| 00:27.19 | NightHawkTheSane | likes birds. |
| 00:27.25 | Iriel | Nothing! I like birds. |
| 00:27.31 | Shirik | oh Iriel |
| 00:27.34 | Shirik | and when I become a millionare |
| 00:27.35 | Shishire | lol |
| 00:27.38 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 00:27.38 | Shirik | I'm going to get one of these |
| 00:27.58 | Shishire | NightHawkTheSane, check it programatticaly, or manually? |
| 00:28.08 | Shirik | http://www.amazon.com/Sigma-200-500-Ultra-Telephoto-Nikon-Cameras/dp/B0013DAPNU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1258763270&sr=8-1 |
| 00:28.19 | Shirik | Read the first review, it's awesome |
| 00:28.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Shishire: re: profession links? i mean programatically |
| 00:28.30 | Shishire | yeah |
| 00:28.32 | Shishire | lemme check |
| 00:28.40 | Iriel | Shirik: "You save $9,001.00" |
| 00:28.45 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:28.46 | Shirik | yes |
| 00:28.53 | NightHawkTheSane | My addon (TradeBook) currently stores your own characters' profession links (not others), but those links are invalid after a cache-clearing patch |
| 00:29.04 | Shirik | This is my favorite part |
| 00:29.05 | Shirik | Shipping Weight: 141 pounds (View shipping rates and policies) |
| 00:29.08 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd like a way to determine that |
| 00:29.57 | Lopeppeppy | 141 pounds, it weighs more than you do, Shirik! |
| 00:30.00 | Jamash | there's an addon that stores other player's prof links, I just saw it the other day |
| 00:30.03 | Shirik | lol Lopeppeppy >< |
| 00:30.12 | Lopeppeppy | *kiss kiss* |
| 00:30.18 | cogwheel | clears out all the "Happy birthday from ________ forums" spam in his inbox |
| 00:30.19 | Jamash | but I don't remember the name :( |
| 00:30.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Jamash: boo. you're useless then. :P |
| 00:30.47 | Jamash | I know! |
| 00:31.07 | Lopeppeppy | Go look up "profession link" on the addon sites, seems logical to me. |
| 00:31.53 | Shishire | NightHawkTheSane, you might try checking if you can get the classes out of the link |
| 00:32.22 | Shishire | more likely than not, if it doesn't count as a valid link (due to patch), it should return either nil or false |
| 00:32.57 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, good point |
| 00:32.58 | batrick | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00067F1CE/ref=cm_cr_asin_lnk |
| 00:32.59 | batrick | w |
| 00:33.00 | batrick | t |
| 00:33.00 | batrick | f |
| 00:33.06 | batrick | amazon sells tanks?!?! |
| 00:33.15 | Lopeppeppy | Why not. |
| 00:33.19 | Lopeppeppy | They sell ice cream too. |
| 00:33.22 | Jamash | Gnomish Yellow Pages looks like the right sort of thing |
| 00:33.37 | NightHawkTheSane | that looks strangely like a jawa sand crawler |
| 00:33.41 | Lopeppeppy | "paleotempestology". lology! |
| 00:33.43 | batrick | lmao |
| 00:33.46 | Jamash | that's what I thought too, NHTS |
| 00:34.18 | Jamash | man, curse.com's search engine sucks truck nuts |
| 00:34.19 | batrick | Badonkadonk |
| 00:34.28 | batrick | you can't possibly take that name seriously for a tank |
| 00:35.26 | kdtresh | JL421 badonkadonk, eh? |
| 00:35.29 | Shishire | hmmm... I'm gonna go look up what the blizz UI uses to parse the links... |
| 00:36.18 | batrick | it scares me people have purchased that tank |
| 00:36.58 | KarlKFI | lol @ the pic of it in a parking space |
| 00:39.35 | batrick | that pic looks photoshopped |
| 00:40.02 | Jamash | it kinda does, yeah |
| 00:40.39 | Jamash | I should put that on my amazon wishlist |
| 00:40.44 | batrick | the obama pic is a nice touch |
| 00:41.21 | Jamash | amazon is trying to sell me glenn beck's book, Twilight, and Terminator 4 on Blu-Ray |
| 00:41.32 | Jamash | clearly, their recommendation engine has blown a gasket |
| 00:41.58 | Wobin | Here are just some of the some reasons why you should return to Age of Conan now: |
| 00:42.14 | Wobin | Exclusive Subscription Rewards Free Level 50 Character |
| 00:42.15 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:42.16 | Wobin | Tons of New Conent |
| 00:42.19 | Wobin | ... |
| 00:42.21 | Wobin | Conent? |
| 00:42.22 | Jamash | free level 50 character??? |
| 00:42.25 | Wobin | wtg funcom =P |
| 00:42.28 | Jamash | conent? |
| 00:42.33 | Jamash | conant? |
| 00:42.38 | Thunder_Child | content |
| 00:42.48 | Iriel | It's a new word! That's content! |
| 00:43.03 | Fisker | slaps Iriel around a bit with a large trout |
| 00:43.07 | Fisker | you |
| 00:43.15 | Thunder_Child | ya, Iriel deserved that one |
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| 00:48.56 | Shishire | My manager just radio'd the front desk asking for 20k to buy the tank |
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| 00:49.22 | Shishire | The response was "Yes, if we get 2000 people to attend the Con" |
| 00:55.12 | Shadowed | Hum, there's no way to get the clicks a frame was registered for, yes? |
| 00:55.13 | Wobin | tank? |
| 00:55.52 | Jamash | tankcat? |
| 00:55.54 | Lopeppeppy | [07:32] <batrick> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00067F1CE/ref=cm_cr_asin_lnk |
| 00:56.23 | Wobin | ... turn signal lights |
| 00:59.28 | Wobin | although |
| 00:59.31 | Wobin | the reviews are awesome |
| 00:59.56 | Jamash | yes |
| 01:00.26 | batrick | o sweet jesus |
| 01:00.28 | batrick | http://www.amazon.com/Cloverdale-Fresh-Whole-Rabbit/dp/B00012182G/ref=tag_tdp_ptcn_edpp_url |
| 01:00.31 | batrick | read the comments for that |
| 01:00.58 | Jamash | also look at the tags |
| 01:01.02 | Lopeppeppy | "plush interior" |
| 01:01.25 | Fisker | haxes Wobin |
| 01:01.29 | Fisker | pwnt |
| 01:01.55 | Shirik | wants a plush Lopeppeppy for christmas |
| 01:02.13 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr! |
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| 01:02.53 | Jamash | is there an addon that helps keep action bars synched up between dual specs? |
| 01:03.14 | Shirik | uh |
| 01:03.18 | Shirik | the Blizzard UI? |
| 01:03.18 | Thunder_Child | most people want different bars |
| 01:03.25 | Thunder_Child | no Shirik, they are not |
| 01:03.26 | Shirik | oh he means so it doesn't switch |
| 01:03.30 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I recommend the Kerri. http://www.amazon.com/Douglas-Cuddle-Toy-Stuffed-Kerri/dp/B000EN0R0G/ref=sr_1_19?ie=UTF8&s=toys-and-games&qid=1258765390&sr=8-19 |
| 01:03.34 | Thunder_Child | they are 2 different profiles |
| 01:03.42 | Shirik | yes I thought he meant when spec changes bar chcanges |
| 01:03.47 | Jamash | What I mean is I want bar 1 and 2 to be different between the two specs, for obvious reasons |
| 01:03.51 | Thunder_Child | it does, he wants them the same |
| 01:03.56 | Thunder_Child | oh... |
| 01:03.57 | Jamash | but I want bars 3-8 to be the same |
| 01:04.08 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: not green enough :/ |
| 01:04.34 | Jamash | 'cause I keep combat abilities on 1 and 2 but random consumables and pets and macros and items and junk on the other bars |
| 01:04.35 | Lopeppeppy | Green? |
| 01:04.41 | Lopeppeppy | Why do you think I am green? |
| 01:04.46 | Shirik | for rawr? |
| 01:04.53 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. |
| 01:05.06 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, the dinoPeppy's I gave out were hard bitey ones, not plushies. |
| 01:05.07 | Wobin | Jamash, ActionBarSaver will save the action bars to copy and paste between new dual specs |
| 01:05.12 | Jamash | sweet |
| 01:05.13 | Shirik | ah |
| 01:05.14 | Lopeppeppy | But I am a fox on the inside, Shirik. |
| 01:05.18 | Shirik | oh ok :) |
| 01:05.22 | Wobin | but you'll have to deal with the different bars on your own once it's copied =) |
| 01:05.33 | Lopeppeppy | I promise, if you see my icons in things, they're all kitsune. |
| 01:05.50 | Shirik | cuddles Lopeppeppy |
| 01:05.59 | Jamash | yeah, not what I'm looking for really |
| 01:06.22 | Jamash | I think I may write my own |
| 01:06.47 | Wobin | http://www.amazon.com/review/RELZH5U51HU8O/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm |
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| 01:21.14 | batrick | http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w16/Freezy3/ninajs.gif |
| 01:22.36 | Shirik | awesome batrick |
| 01:22.39 | Shirik | That is my skillz there |
| 01:26.35 | Dagmar | I have a better one |
| 01:27.11 | Dagmar | Failure to follow preventative maintenance procedures for your motorbike will kill Colonel Sanders: http://www.honda.co.jp/study-motor/images/manga.gif |
| 01:30.33 | Lopeppeppy | 11 herbs and spices? |
| 01:31.49 | Dagmar | ...and checking lubricant levels every 1000km or so |
| 01:32.19 | Lopeppeppy | "Stop lubricating on the human." |
| 01:32.38 | Dagmar | Actually I'm thinking they meant to imply that the elder is a mechanic, and it kills them when you abuse a buke |
| 01:32.44 | Dagmar | s/buke/bike/; |
| 01:33.18 | Dagmar | Compared to a car, a bike is LOADS easier to work on, and proportionally easier to do preventive maint on |
| 01:33.32 | Dagmar | Heck, I can practically take the engine out of my scooter and carry it into the house with one hand |
| 01:33.46 | Dagmar | It takes longer to get the farings off than it takes to get the engine out |
| 01:33.52 | Lopeppeppy | long as you know how they work |
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| 01:34.28 | Dagmar | If you understand the principles of a petrol-burning engine, a bike's engine is actually pretty obvious |
| 01:34.35 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 01:34.35 | purl | ~pong |
| 01:34.44 | Dagmar | I have the field service manual on my scooter just to make it easier to figure out which pieces need to come off |
| 01:34.51 | Shirik | anyone having trouble connecting to wow? o.O |
| 01:35.04 | Shirik | hm, pandora just died too |
| 01:35.06 | Shirik | fuck you brighthouse |
| 01:35.17 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, that's you if Pandora died too, Shirik. |
| 01:35.27 | Shirik | I swear to god |
| 01:35.31 | Shirik | this cable monopoly shit has got to stop |
| 01:35.36 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 01:35.43 | Shirik | There isn't a single cable company in the world that cares about the quality of the connection |
| 01:35.53 | Dagmar | Of course not |
| 01:36.09 | Dagmar | THe quality of your connection doesn't affect whether or not you stay with them |
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| 01:36.21 | Dagmar | ...cuz most of the time your options are severely limited. |
| 01:36.24 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 01:36.28 | Dagmar | ...if you even *have* options |
| 01:36.30 | Lopeppeppy | I have two options, crappy and craptastic. |
| 01:36.38 | Dagmar | San Francisco had the best service I've ever seen |
| 01:37.00 | Dagmar | ...just because I could pick between four different means of video, and about a dozen different DSL providers |
| 01:37.31 | Dagmar | XO screwed us over at one point and told us it would take them four months to get the circuit re-provisioned |
| 01:37.59 | Fisker | i hope you're happy Shirik |
| 01:37.59 | Dagmar | It took Covad/Speakeasy exactly one week to come out and run their own line, test it, and have us up and running with 768k SDSL business class. |
| 01:39.35 | Shirik | found it |
| 01:39.40 | Shirik | one of the RR routers died |
| 01:39.47 | Dagmar | Speakeasy even gave us ten IP addresses, control of reverse DNS courtesy of a stub entry, and after we explained who we were and what we did for a living, they made us the abuse@ contact for them. |
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| 01:40.35 | Dagmar | Literally I just inquired about what their remediation procedures were for abuse complaints, and said we might accidentally wind up reporting our own activity as we pen-tested customers. |
| 01:40.54 | Dagmar | Bang, done, we got emails anytime we pissed off someones IDS. |
| 01:41.18 | Fisker | you wouldn't piss off someones IDS Dagmar |
| 01:41.29 | Dagmar | Oh I did many, many times. |
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| 01:41.45 | Dagmar | Once we got that abuse@ contact, the lid came off whether or not we'd portscan someone |
| 01:41.50 | Shirik | At this time the network is operating normally. |
| 01:41.52 | Shirik | Yeah BULLSHIT |
| 01:42.02 | Dagmar | If we thought ti would let us know more about what was going on, we'd do all kinds of weird network tests |
| 01:42.39 | Dagmar | With Comcast I had to have a long talk with Tier II to get my account flagged as requiring special attention for abuse reports |
| 01:42.48 | Dagmar | 'cuz I mirror back certain types of attacks |
| 01:43.08 | Dagmar | Twice they've called me claiming someone was reporting I'd hacked them over an insecure ssh account. |
| 01:43.26 | Fisker | good night Shirik |
| 01:43.28 | Fisker | i hope you die |
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| 01:45.26 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Seerah1] by ChanServ |
| 01:45.37 | Dagmar | It really messes them up when you say back "No, they hacked themselves." |
| 01:45.51 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:46.31 | Dagmar | I just wish it was easier to MITM that so I could see what account they got back into their own system with. |
| 01:46.34 | Lopeppeppy | "I'm rubber, you're glue. Bounces off me and sticks to you." |
| 01:46.49 | Shirik | so like |
| 01:46.50 | Shirik | what |
| 01:46.52 | Shirik | they do rm -rf / |
| 01:46.57 | Shirik | and then all their files go boom |
| 01:47.03 | Dagmar | I'm not kidding. There's a mirror target in iptables you can dump IP addresses over to once they trigger something else. |
| 01:47.03 | Shirik | and then they're like "wtfhax!" |
| 01:47.14 | Shirik | I should try that |
| 01:47.19 | Dagmar | Shirik: It would definitely eliminate the problem of them seeing my IP in the logs and deciding i did it |
| 01:47.33 | Shirik | set up fail2ban to do that instead of just banning |
| 01:47.37 | Dagmar | Pretty sure that if those people ever reported it to the FBI once they found out it was me they just dropped it as a dead lead. |
| 01:47.43 | Dagmar | They know I'm a bastard |
| 01:48.05 | kd3 | anyone on broxigar atm? |
| 01:48.16 | Dagmar | Shirik: It's like less than ten lines of shell script to set up an ipt_recent match to shunt people over to a mirror chain |
| 01:49.15 | Dagmar | Make more than two connections to a port in 20 seconds and you trigger ipt_recent, get put into the list of source addreses that get mirrored (masqueraded) back to the source. |
| 01:50.24 | Shirik | I don't need to do any "detection" work |
| 01:50.36 | Shirik | I already have automatic systems to drop IPs when they're detected |
| 01:50.44 | Shirik | I just need to change it to mirror instead :) |
| 01:50.50 | Dagmar | Yeah, right now it just results in a jump to drop |
| 01:51.11 | Shirik | right |
| 01:51.12 | Dagmar | I need to flesh it out a little more so it won't mirror back a *flood* of traffic |
| 01:51.29 | Dagmar | That might screw up my WoW playin'. |
| 01:51.32 | Dagmar | We can't have that. |
| 01:52.02 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, rig it up to quality of service |
| 01:52.26 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: Frankly, I'll just add a hard ceiling to it when I get around to it |
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| 01:52.42 | Dagmar | Let 'em think I have a 14.4k modem and TCP retransmission will handle the rest |
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| 01:54.55 | Shirik | tbh |
| 01:55.02 | Shirik | you might be able to figure out what account/password you got in on :) |
| 01:55.09 | Shirik | I have a theory |
| 01:56.00 | Dagmar | Well, if you knew what their dictionary was you could just count attempts. |
| 01:56.04 | Dagmar | I'm working on that. |
| 01:56.12 | Dagmar | Gonna turn up a honeypot probably early next weekl |
| 01:56.28 | Shirik | exactly |
| 01:56.31 | Shirik | see |
| 01:56.32 | Dagmar | Not to find out credentials, but to see if there's some way I can destroy that worm |
| 01:56.43 | Dagmar | I found my username in a list |
| 01:56.46 | Shirik | I can show you the dictionary that seems to always get used against me :) |
| 01:56.48 | Dagmar | Just the username, but still. |
| 01:57.06 | Shirik | trying to pull up /var/log/messages but it takes FOREVER |
| 01:57.08 | Shirik | because I don't rotate it :( |
| 01:57.21 | Dagmar | I'm just going to wait for them to invade the honeypot, and then freeze the VM once something's been pushed into it |
| 01:57.31 | Dagmar | Yay for vmware |
| 01:59.21 | Shirik | Nov 20 20:32:36 localhost sshd[22623]: reverse mapping checking getaddrinfo for h208-118-107-158.bigpipeinc.com [208.118.107.158] failed - POSSIBLE BREAK-IN ATTEMPT! |
| 01:59.22 | Shirik | bigpipeinc? |
| 01:59.24 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:59.43 | Dagmar | Nothing special there aside from admins who can't be bothered to set up proper DNS mappings. |
| 01:59.51 | Shirik | yeah I know |
| 01:59.55 | Shirik | just saying I thought the name was funny |
| 02:00.07 | Dagmar | It hollers about a possible break in attempt, but the things that would work against haven't been set up by anyone not completely retarded since the mid 90's |
| 02:00.23 | Shirik | ok here's a set of names |
| 02:00.31 | Shirik | oh you don't want the names |
| 02:00.34 | Shirik | you want the passwords |
| 02:01.37 | Dagmar | Nope. |
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| 02:01.53 | Dagmar | I mainly want to shut it down because I'm a kook and they've been filling my syslog with crap for months |
| 02:01.59 | Ancu | Hello all |
| 02:02.03 | Ancu | hows is everyones |
| 02:02.34 | Dagmar | Motivation is partially professional interest, partly spite. |
| 02:02.40 | Shirik | Nov 20 10:13:57 localhost sshd[1709]: Invalid user roor from 216.219.239.160 |
| 02:02.44 | Shirik | does someone suck at typing root? |
| 02:02.49 | Shirik | Does anyone even let root log into ssh? |
| 02:02.59 | Dagmar | Man distros have it enabled by default |
| 02:03.07 | Dagmar | s/Man/Many/; |
| 02:03.48 | Shirik | hey Dagmar, mind helping me for a sec? I see something potentially bad on my server now that I look at it :P |
| 02:04.01 | Dagmar | Okay |
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| 02:04.29 | Shirik | ok so there's the obvious stuff |
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| 02:04.33 | Shirik | Nov 20 05:30:40 localhost postfix/smtpd[27649]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from 118-169-197-102.dynamic.hinet.net[118.169.197.102]: 554 5.7.1 <candy59839@yahoo.com.tw>: Relay access denied; from=<mike87694@hello.com> to=<candy59839@yahoo.com.tw> proto=SMTP helo=<www.hello.com> |
| 02:04.56 | Dagmar | Looks like just a spammer trying to figure out if you're allowing relaying of mail that you shouldn't. |
| 02:04.57 | Shirik | My understanding is that my server is rejecting that message because it is not configured to send those emails |
| 02:05.00 | Shirik | right? |
| 02:05.04 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 02:05.14 | Shirik | now wtf is this |
| 02:05.16 | Shirik | Nov 20 08:25:40 localhost postfix/smtp[18485]: 157E3130455: host c.mx.mail.yahoo.com[209.191.88.254] refused to talk to me: 421 4.7.0 [TS02] Messages from 67.18.208.154 temporarily deferred due to user complaints - 4.16.56.1; see http://postmaster.yahoo.com/421-ts02.html |
| 02:05.30 | Ancu | Hello lopeppeppy, did your car get fixed? |
| 02:05.32 | Shirik | I thought I rejected it... |
| 02:05.40 | Dagmar | Nah that was them rejecting you |
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| 02:06.10 | ScytheBlade1 | be less of a spambot |
| 02:06.10 | Shirik | so how do I block it :) |
| 02:06.12 | ScytheBlade1 | it will work better for you |
| 02:06.12 | Wobin | hm |
| 02:06.14 | Wobin | brown out =P |
| 02:06.22 | Dagmar | Could be you just sent too many emails at once, or (more likely) if you were having packet loss issues, you rmail server made a number of retries in a short period of time |
| 02:06.25 | Ancu | ....whats with all the people leaving? |
| 02:06.45 | Legorol | netsplit? |
| 02:06.49 | ScytheBlade1 | or, even more likely |
| 02:06.54 | Shirik | Dagmar, I don't send emails |
| 02:07.00 | Dagmar | Shirik: You don't? |
| 02:07.04 | ScytheBlade1 | he misconfigured his server into an open relay |
| 02:07.07 | Shirik | except automated emails from IPB, but those should not be often |
| 02:07.13 | Shirik | so I'm with ScytheBlade1 on this one |
| 02:07.31 | Dagmar | Dude if your IP was 67.18.208.154 you were definitely sending mail |
| 02:07.31 | Shirik | but what I'm confused about is Nov 20 05:30:40 localhost postfix/smtpd[27649]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from 118-169-197-102.dynamic.hinet.net[118.169.197.102]: 554 5.7.1 <candy59839@yahoo.com.tw>: Relay access denied; from=<mike87694@hello.com> to=<candy59839@yahoo.com.tw> proto=SMTP helo=<www.hello.com> |
| 02:07.47 | Shirik | if I denied access, why did I send mail? |
| 02:07.57 | Dagmar | You denied _that_ attempt |
| 02:07.57 | Shirik | Dagmar, I assume that would be the spam that should have been rejected |
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| 02:08.05 | Shirik | so apparently I'm only denying half :) |
| 02:08.09 | Shirik | that's the problem |
| 02:08.28 | Lopeppeppy_ | My cat is a vampire. She wants you to know this. She is watching the IRC scrolling, covering her eyes with one paw, peeking out at you all. |
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| 02:08.53 | Dagmar | Yeah if you're filtering based on the From: field's domain, you've been found out |
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| 02:09.08 | Lopeppeppy_ | Heya Ancu. She had another appointment, but "fixed" is a long term sort of deal for us. |
| 02:09.40 | Shirik | I don't know what I'm filtering on :D |
| 02:09.53 | Dagmar | Okay _that_ is bad |
| 02:09.58 | Shirik | <-- world's worst admin |
| 02:10.16 | Thunder_Child | hardly |
| 02:10.30 | Thunder_Child | your not that good |
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| 02:11.15 | ScytheBlade1 | time for you to start pasting config files |
| 02:11.45 | Dagmar | I know pretty much nothing about postfix. |
| 02:12.02 | Dagmar | I use sendmail because "it just works" and I've nailed it down like only an obsessive-compulsive can |
| 02:12.55 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, have you cleartext password encryption yet? |
| 02:13.12 | Shirik | cleartext password encryption? |
| 02:13.14 | Dagmar | I suggest unless you're normally in the business of _recieveing_ mails there that you just block all incoming port 25 and be done with it |
| 02:13.14 | Thunder_Child | used* |
| 02:13.28 | Shirik | Dagmar: tbh, I used to |
| 02:13.54 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, yes, it means having passwords as cleartext somewhere in your network |
| 02:13.58 | Dagmar | The principle of least privledge helps loads |
| 02:14.15 | Shirik | I'm not sure what you mean Thunder_Child |
| 02:14.24 | Thunder_Child | ... |
| 02:14.28 | Thunder_Child | never mind |
| 02:14.38 | Shirik | You are talking about a completely random subject |
| 02:14.44 | Shirik | and expecting me to know what you're referring to |
| 02:14.47 | Thunder_Child | "@Shirik: <-- world's worst admin" |
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| 02:14.55 | Shirik | I don't even use passwords... |
| 02:15.06 | Dagmar | You don't know what the principle of least privlege is? |
| 02:15.11 | Dagmar | Pfft |
| 02:15.14 | Shirik | no I have no idea what Thunder_Child's talking about |
| 02:15.20 | Shirik | not talking to you |
| 02:15.45 | Shirik | he's talking about passwords which I don't even use except for things like IPB.... so |
| 02:15.48 | Shirik | I have no idea what he's referring to |
| 02:17.03 | Dagmar | Me neither |
| 02:17.32 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, you want my main.cf? |
| 02:17.49 | Ginji | You referred to yourself as the worst admin to which TC was questioning if you used clear text password transmissions somewhere in your network |
| 02:17.54 | ScytheBlade1 | not really, as I am on my phone |
| 02:17.58 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:18.06 | Shirik | how are you supposed to give me epic help like that |
| 02:18.17 | ScytheBlade1 | and my laptop... is likely dead |
| 02:18.32 | Jamash | you're on irc on your phone? |
| 02:18.42 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 02:18.43 | Jamash | WHAT HATH GOD WROUGHT |
| 02:18.43 | Shirik | oh look! |
| 02:18.48 | Shirik | The roadrunner server went down |
| 02:18.48 | Shirik | AGAIN |
| 02:18.54 | Shirik | WHAT A SURPRISE |
| 02:19.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ssh --> server --> screen --> irssi! |
| 02:20.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Ancu1 (n=c@69.21.31.188) |
| 02:20.18 | Jamash | ah, I see |
| 02:21.47 | Shirik | great |
| 02:21.56 | Shirik | I was going to send an email to brighthouse saying "wtf is up with your servers" |
| 02:21.57 | Shirik | but |
| 02:22.46 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/31f2059ef7e85676f79a2d4722ca31f7.png |
| 02:23.36 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, you dont have enough FB or Amazon tabs open |
| 02:23.41 | Shirik | I know |
| 02:23.46 | Shirik | I will try harder |
| 02:23.51 | Shirik | actually why do I have that many FB tabs open |
| 02:23.59 | Shirik | oh right, someone was linking me pictures :) |
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| 02:25.37 | Thunder_Child | links Shirik pictures |
| 02:26.12 | Shirik | links Thunder_Child a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnr5nNf_eh8&feature=player_embedded |
| 02:26.25 | foxlit | grr. |
| 02:26.34 | foxlit | New webmail interfaces break the open-in-new-tab mechanic. |
| 02:26.40 | foxlit | Curse you, ajax. |
| 02:26.59 | Shirik | omg ScytheBlade1 |
| 02:27.01 | Shirik | you'll like this |
| 02:27.15 | Shirik | a friend was telling me about this "Awesome feature" he added to this issue tracking software |
| 02:27.50 | Shirik | He put in some ajax with an iframe to allow him to implement this voting system which contacts a remote server with ajax, etc. |
| 02:28.17 | Shirik | After looking at his code for a few minutes I stared at him for a second and then said "You realize this is exploiting a security vulnerability, right?" |
| 02:28.28 | Shirik | He doesn't seem to get what's wrong with XSS |
| 02:28.58 | Corrodias | lol |
| 02:29.05 | Corrodias | lol on the inside. |
| 02:29.43 | foxlit | I'm not convinced it's that clear cut. |
| 02:29.54 | Shirik | hm? |
| 02:30.10 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:30.28 | foxlit | Depending on how much of the code lived in an iframe, it does not necessarily have to violate same-origin policies. |
| 02:31.08 | Shirik | I'm not sure I understand what you're saying |
| 02:31.24 | Shirik | all I have to do is javascript show message box "Lol we need your passwordz!!"!1 |
| 02:32.07 | foxlit | Which wouldn't be all that impressive, really. |
| 02:33.04 | foxlit | The question is really whether the iframe can run javascript in the context of *your* website. |
| 02:33.22 | foxlit | (i.e. eat your document.cookie and stuff) |
| 02:33.45 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJEk824VIas |
| 02:34.18 | Shirik | foxlit: It can |
| 02:34.28 | foxlit | The whole "hey, you've got javascript in an iframe pulled from a remote site" does not a vulnerability make. |
| 02:34.32 | Shirik | Because he uses it to verify login information (he does actually contact the original server) |
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| 02:35.02 | Shirik | long story short: He used an XSS vulnerability to implement a feature requested by the company without modifying the software |
| 02:35.45 | Shirik | he's able to pull the username, etc. |
| 02:36.34 | Shirik | Funny thing is, he actually tried this a few days ago, and he asked me "omg why won't it let me go back to the iframe's owner and get me the document data" |
| 02:36.39 | Shirik | and I was like "you noob because it would be insecure" |
| 02:36.45 | Shirik | apparently he kept poking it until he found a way |
| 02:47.36 | NightHawkTheSane | jnwhiteh: ping? |
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| 03:04.25 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Any suggestions on how I can test if I am an open relay? |
| 03:06.27 | ScytheBlade1 | google |
| 03:06.42 | ScytheBlade1 | multiple sites will test for you |
| 03:19.55 | Shirik | All tests performed, no relays accepted. |
| 03:19.56 | Shirik | .... |
| 03:20.00 | Shirik | so how the fuck are things getting out >, |
| 03:20.01 | Shirik | >< |
| 03:20.17 | ScytheBlade1 | good question! |
| 03:20.26 | ScytheBlade1 | mayber a misconfigured web gateway |
| 03:20.43 | ScytheBlade1 | maybe it isn't your host, bugt a nearby/one |
| 03:20.56 | ScytheBlade1 | bah, this keyboard sucks |
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| 03:21.24 | Shirik | If it wasn't me, I shouldn't get this: |
| 03:21.26 | Shirik | Nov 20 10:21:39 localhost postfix/smtp[2802]: AE5AA130455: to=<drik2@yahoo.com>, relay=c.mx.mail.yahoo.com[206.190.54.127]:25, delay=4724, delays=4723/0.01/0.79/0, dsn=4.7.0, status=deferred (host c.mx.mail.yahoo.com[206.190.54.127] refused to talk to me: 421 4.7.0 [TS02] Messages from 67.18.208.154 temporarily deferred due to user complaints - 4.16.56.1; see http://postmaster.yahoo.com/421-ts02.html) |
| 03:21.33 | Shirik | no? |
| 03:21.42 | Shirik | like, I never should have tried to contact that server in the first place |
| 03:22.03 | ScytheBlade1 | 67.18 = you? |
| 03:22.45 | Shirik | yes |
| 03:23.13 | ScytheBlade1 | check your maillog then for that message submission |
| 03:23.28 | Shirik | is there a way to uniquely identify it? |
| 03:23.31 | Shirik | AE5AA130455 |
| 03:23.32 | Shirik | ? |
| 03:23.38 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 03:24.00 | Shirik | Nov 20 10:21:38 localhost postfix/qmgr[6540]: AE5AA130455: from=<apache@li23-154.localdomain>, size=808, nrcpt=1 (queue active) |
| 03:24.02 | Shirik | that's it? |
| 03:24.18 | ScytheBlade1 | probably |
| 03:25.18 | Shirik | Nov 20 09:02:55 localhost postfix/cleanup[24461]: AE5AA130455: message-id=<20091120140255.AE5AA130455@li23-154.localdomain> |
| 03:25.19 | Shirik | Nov 20 09:02:56 localhost postfix/qmgr[6540]: AE5AA130455: from=<apache@li23-154.localdomain>, size=808, nrcpt=1 (queue active) |
| 03:25.28 | Shirik | those are the first lines referencing it |
| 03:25.34 | Shirik | so it looks like it's coming from apache I guess |
| 03:25.46 | Shirik | I will try to cross-reference the apache logs to that time |
| 03:27.51 | Shirik | This is a curious test: >>> RCPT TO:<securitytest@abuse.net@heresiarchguild.com> |
| 03:27.56 | Shirik | That's a legal address? |
| 03:28.04 | Ancu | What do you guys use to keep a global friends list, and keep notes like "alt of ancu" |
| 03:28.32 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 03:28.41 | Shirik | really? o.O |
| 03:28.52 | Shirik | I mean, I handled it properly (relay access denied) but still just kinda wierd |
| 03:29.13 | Thunder_Child | ancu, global like acraoos all chars? |
| 03:29.17 | Thunder_Child | across* |
| 03:29.31 | Ancu | yeah, assuming same faction, I know you cant do cross faction |
| 03:29.36 | Ancu | I only play horde anyway |
| 03:30.00 | Thunder_Child | Ancu, http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info6931 |
| 03:30.06 | Thunder_Child | though it doesnt keep notes |
| 03:31.00 | Ancu | Yeah, I know theres one that does, at the time I was like, "Psssht who needs that" but now I understand |
| 03:31.17 | Ancu | Of corse pointless when cata comes out, but |
| 03:31.39 | Thunder_Child | why> |
| 03:31.50 | Thunder_Child | s/>/?/ |
| 03:32.36 | Ancu | because cata will have a universal friends list accross all of bnet2.0 |
| 03:32.48 | Thunder_Child | thats going to be handy |
| 03:33.13 | Thunder_Child | i hope there will be an external list. eg. check on bnet who is playing what games |
| 03:33.29 | Thunder_Child | ...a bnet IM client... |
| 03:33.54 | Ancu | It will be like, oh, I see TC is playing diablo 3, I think I will message him to come on to wow |
| 03:33.59 | Corrodias | like Steam |
| 03:34.15 | Ancu | yes, but thats not as fun to say |
| 03:34.16 | Corrodias | i will get on bnet just to tell TC to play WoW |
| 03:34.27 | Shirik | lol ScytheBlade1, I like the end |
| 03:34.30 | Thunder_Child | instead of what? |
| 03:34.32 | Shirik | >>> QUIT |
| 03:34.32 | Shirik | <<< 421 4.7.0 li23-154.localdomain Error: too many errors |
| 03:35.23 | Ancu | speculated, goes under rummer and scuttle butt |
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| 03:35.52 | Jamash | in regards to a cross-alt friends list, I use my guild :P |
| 03:36.02 | Ancu | the external IM i mean |
| 03:36.21 | Jamash | yeah I was responding to your original question |
| 03:36.26 | Ancu | Would be nice, but some of myy friends arnt in the same guild |
| 03:36.31 | Jamash | ah well |
| 03:37.04 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, you know...i was watching that thing i linked earlier and i think you should write a program for tablets mic's that will display sheet music and auto turn the pages along with the music. |
| 03:37.10 | Ancu | Infact, on friend is in a raiding guild, I am in a casual guild, and because of dialup, could never make it in a raiding guild |
| 03:37.14 | Thunder_Child | tablets with mic's* |
| 03:37.37 | Shirik | omg that would be awesome Thunder_Child |
| 03:38.14 | Thunder_Child | wouldnt it though, thing tablets would be the best |
| 03:38.17 | Thunder_Child | thin* |
| 03:38.52 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, and it would be really cool for the kindle since it could DL the music straight and do it's magic |
| 03:39.57 | *** join/#wowuidev Hirsute (n=chatzill@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Developer/Hirsute) |
| 03:40.12 | Corrodias | its! |
| 03:40.33 | Thunder_Child | no, it is magic |
| 03:42.51 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: gunning 0/2 successful upgrades and one dead laptop so far |
| 03:43.14 | Jamash | I need a better macro parser |
| 03:43.29 | kd3 | sbo; oof |
| 03:44.55 | ScytheBlade1 | power converter broke, so far the HD is dead almost for 100% certain |
| 03:45.13 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, I crossreferenced it |
| 03:45.16 | Shirik | 71.62.157.226 - - [20/Nov/2009:09:02:55 -0500] "POST /forums/index.php?act=msg HTTP/1.1" 200 818 |
| 03:45.21 | ScytheBlade1 | and my desktop will be updating for a second time overnight |
| 03:45.22 | Shirik | it just seems like a normal forum post |
| 03:45.38 | Shirik | as if it were being sent out for notification on watched threads |
| 03:46.15 | ScytheBlade1 | might be it |
| 03:47.21 | kd3 | this is why I don't upgrade; I tend to install fresh |
| 03:47.34 | ScytheBlade1 | that requires backups |
| 03:48.08 | Shirik | so why is yahoo complaining ScytheBlade1 T_T |
| 03:48.12 | Jamash | build a backup server |
| 03:48.14 | Jamash | duh |
| 03:48.17 | Shirik | I'm going to send a request to them |
| 03:48.25 | kd3 | tar jcf etcbak.tar.bz2 /tar |
| 03:48.30 | kd3 | and so on |
| 03:48.33 | kd3 | er, /etc |
| 03:49.11 | ScytheBlade1 | doesn't work so well when you hit the terabyte of data and don't have a free terabyte |
| 03:49.32 | Ancu | Yay, got a friend to level me! |
| 03:52.14 | Shirik | The CAPTCHA you entered did not match please try again |
| 03:52.17 | Shirik | I swear to god |
| 03:52.24 | Shirik | I think we should invert the logic |
| 03:52.32 | Shirik | if the CAPTCHA fails, it's a human. If it's successful, it's a computer |
| 03:52.39 | Shirik | computers are the only things that can read these things anymore |
| 03:58.51 | theorbtwo | recaptcha++ |
| 03:59.44 | ScytheBlade1 | yay, finally got it to download packages for f12 |
| 03:59.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ... 1.2gb to go |
| 04:00.14 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:00.15 | Shirik | wtf is this: |
| 04:00.18 | Shirik | ::1 - - [20/Nov/2009:09:02:29 -0500] "OPTIONS * HTTP/1.0" 200 - |
| 04:00.45 | ScytheBlade1 | !g http options request |
| 04:00.47 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: HTTP/1.1: Method Definitions <http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec9.html> |
| 04:00.52 | ScytheBlade1 | see above |
| 04:01.02 | Shirik | but |
| 04:01.08 | Shirik | why is my computer trying to communicate with itself |
| 04:01.27 | ScytheBlade1 | you know |
| 04:01.30 | Thunder_Child | dont you ever talk to yourslef Shirik? |
| 04:01.33 | Thunder_Child | yourself* |
| 04:01.36 | ScytheBlade1 | as that is YOUR server |
| 04:01.40 | Shirik | rofl |
| 04:01.45 | Shirik | I know I know, I should know these things >< |
| 04:01.48 | ScytheBlade1 | only you can answer that |
| 04:03.43 | Shirik | You know what's a really good way to free up memory? |
| 04:03.50 | Shirik | Open a 1GB file in vim |
| 04:03.53 | Shirik | then close it |
| 04:03.55 | Thunder_Child | turn off the computer |
| 04:03.57 | Shirik | everything's now in swap! |
| 04:04.56 | ccox | or use an editor that isn't dumb enough to load everything into RAM at one time... |
| 04:05.11 | Shirik | :P |
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| 04:06.48 | Amarande | hmm. |
| 04:07.01 | Amarande | amid the arguments people are having about the DE system, most of which is dross, there is one particular thing that stood out. |
| 04:07.06 | Amarande | is it QQ, or a legitimate concern? |
| 04:07.34 | Amarande | specifically: one person envisioned it becoming the case that whenever there are large (3-4, enough to vote someone out en bloc) premades joining the LFG |
| 04:07.55 | Amarande | and those premades lack an enchanter, in a lot of instances there will be a lot of people getting stuck with 15 minute deserter debuffs -simply because they are not enchanters- |
| 04:08.27 | theorbtwo | Amarande: Boggle. Deserter debuffs only happen when you enter the instance then leave it, right? |
| 04:08.30 | Amarande | i.e., in a lot of instances (ones where the premades don't actually need the loot) they will use their size to vote out anyone who isn't an enchanter till they get one. |
| 04:08.36 | Thunder_Child | i doubt it, who kicks people in groups now for not having a chanter |
| 04:08.46 | Amarande | theorbtwo: from what I'm reading, it appears if you get voted out, you count as a deserter |
| 04:08.55 | Thunder_Child | or do people go around saying we need one DPS but DE only |
| 04:09.14 | theorbtwo | Amarande: That seems like an odd call. |
| 04:09.37 | Amarande | Yeah, so far I've only seen one post suggesting the possibility. |
| 04:09.39 | Thunder_Child | my bet is that premades will simply make sure to run with a DE'er if it's that important |
| 04:09.54 | Amarande | Most people are either saying "oh but they're going to FORCE me to DE!" or "QQ moar" |
| 04:10.36 | Amarande | although there was at least one person suggesting that it'll erode the mats market in general because the larger number of shards will lower the value of those |
| 04:10.57 | Thunder_Child | i cant wait for it personally, i dont even bother telling people i DE anymore i hate doing it |
| 04:11.14 | Amarande | which will then impact the profitability of people who mass make stuff to sell on the AH to DEers |
| 04:11.20 | Amarande | (which is you, probably, if you are leveling a profession ...) |
| 04:11.37 | Amarande | after all, what else do you do with all the dross you have to make to skill up :) |
| 04:12.35 | theorbtwo | Sell it to vendors? Wear it, and give it to your friends to wear, if you are leveling a char at the same time as his professions? |
| 04:12.42 | Thunder_Child | why will there be more mats then there are now? most people DE in instances now |
| 04:12.45 | Hirsute | the "force me to DE" argument is garbage anyway, the server will do it for them if the person who won the roll rolled for DE. |
| 04:13.28 | Hirsute | (provided there's an enchanter in the group) |
| 04:14.49 | Amarande | Hirsute: I think it was more enchanters complaining either |
| 04:15.14 | Amarande | 1) it used to be a voluntary service that they could (but usually didn't) charge for, and at least had to be asked nicely for |
| 04:15.16 | Amarande | or, more significantly |
| 04:15.51 | Hirsute | Enchanters would *charge* groups to DE for them in instances? |
| 04:15.55 | Amarande | 2) a lot of enchanters in instance runs I've been in, would hold all shards until the end of the run, and then there would be a single roll on shards, the highest x rolls each getting one shard (for x shards) |
| 04:16.09 | Amarande | thus, enchanters would actually try to help make the shards go around fairly |
| 04:16.19 | Amarande | now they don't have that option, and have to possibly watch as all the shards go to one lucky bastard |
| 04:16.33 | Hirsute | Amarande: I've really only seen that matter in raids, and then it's master looter anyway, so it doesn't apply. |
| 04:16.36 | Amarande | completely against how they wanted to divvy it up |
| 04:16.39 | Thunder_Child | so it goes |
| 04:16.43 | ScytheBlade1 | fair is very relative |
| 04:16.53 | Amarande | Hirsute: on Turalyon Horde anyway, most heroic runs had fairsharding like that, assuming we had an enchanter at all |
| 04:16.55 | Thunder_Child | just think of it as gear that everyone can roll on |
| 04:17.46 | Amarande | And yeah, apparently some folks would be d-bag enough to charge to DE in instances |
| 04:17.59 | Thunder_Child | besides, if the 'fairsharding' system grew up in the first place i assume something similar will grow up around this, with people taking no more than one |
| 04:18.12 | Amarande | Gods only know why, WoW is rolling in gold these days like a pig in mud |
| 04:18.57 | Amarande | there is also the other argument, which is that if enchanting services become auto like that |
| 04:19.25 | Amarande | some folks are saying, there is much less incentive to have an enchanter if you can simply mooch your enchanting mats automatically off someone else's enchanting through the loot system |
| 04:20.17 | Amarande | myself, I'll keep my enchanter, since I like to have as many professions as possible between my alts, plus I have a fair number of enchants like lifestealing, 15/25agi and crusader that are useful for leveling |
| 04:20.36 | Amarande | but I can see people being less interested in starting the profession if they can just get mats this way |
| 04:21.35 | ZorbaTHut | I suspect it'll hurt the enchanting mats market quite a bit |
| 04:21.44 | Amarande | Zorba: yeah, that was cited |
| 04:21.53 | ZorbaTHut | which I find sad because that's where I make all my money :( |
| 04:21.54 | Amarande | along with concerns, like I said, of a general market slump in its wake |
| 04:22.19 | ZorbaTHut | I don't see a reason to predict a general market slump |
| 04:22.24 | Amarande | due to the general enchanting mat mill of people skilling up profs -> dross items only good for DEing -> AH -> enchanters -> DE -> enchant mats -> AH |
| 04:22.25 | ZorbaTHut | honestly it's probably a good time to be a jewelcrafter |
| 04:22.45 | Amarande | if the enchant mats aren't worth as much, enchanters won't want to pay as much for dross to DE |
| 04:22.56 | Hirsute | Or a scribe. Of course, Blizz makes sure that it's always a good time to be a scribe. |
| 04:23.02 | Amarande | which in turn means that people skilling up profs or otherwise providing the dross won't want to pay as much for their mats |
| 04:23.09 | Amarande | which will mean that the *other mats* will go down as well |
| 04:23.11 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, but I'm not convinced that will really cause a market slump in any way. just makes it slightly more painful to level a new profession |
| 04:23.44 | ZorbaTHut | and from what I've seen, most people leveling professions don't really do mass DEing anyway |
| 04:23.50 | Amarande | and on some servers, leveling some profs to 300 in particular involves a lot of annoying solo farming anyway. :) |
| 04:24.07 | Shirik | **Please do not respond to this message as no one will receive it. |
| 04:24.10 | Hirsute | In general, people will pay for mats while skilling up their professions whatever it's worth to them not to spend the time farming the mats themselves. An increase in supply may drive enchanting prices down, which may have "trickle-down" effects on the rest of the market, but I don't expect it to be drastic. |
| 04:24.12 | Shirik | but they bothered to supply a Reply-To header |
| 04:24.23 | Amarande | especially in the 280-300 range or so where most stuff needs oddballish mats that aren't even on the AH at all half the time |
| 04:24.43 | Amarande | I remember having to gallop around Burning Steppes for quite a while to get from 295 to 300 JC |
| 04:25.03 | Hirsute | Amarande: Why Burning Steppes? |
| 04:25.40 | Hirsute | (assuming you were looking for Mithril) I've always found Hinterlands to be easier. |
| 04:25.47 | Amarande | I was looking for Thorium, actually. |
| 04:25.57 | Amarande | since it prospects the most into Huge Emeralds, which is what I needed, and they just weren't on the AH at all |
| 04:26.05 | Hirsute | Ah, I just do EPL for that. |
| 04:26.23 | Amarande | Burning Steppes is a nice way to get thorium since there's a fair number of nodes around the edges, and hardly anyone goes there, so you can just make circuits |
| 04:27.08 | Amarande | There was a while back in the BC days when I couldn't find large brilliant shard on the AH to save my life, either |
| 04:27.14 | Hirsute | (just finished grinding a JCer from 1-450 about a week ago). Fair enough. I got lucky in EPL with no one else there, and getting lots of Rich Thorium nodes (8 in a row, at one point). |
| 04:27.36 | Shirik | batrick: ping |
| 04:27.46 | Amarande | 295-300, and 320-325 are the irritating spots in JC. |
| 04:28.01 | Hirsute | *nod* |
| 04:28.03 | Amarande | Which is also why I was really irritated that time I lost the JC point due to a disconnect |
| 04:28.08 | Amarande | since it was ... 324, I think |
| 04:28.35 | Amarande | I also like I have said before had found it boggle worthy enough to ask a GM, since the gem I had cut to reach 324 was still in my inventory, cut, after I reconnected |
| 04:28.38 | Hirsute | Ooooooh. *shakes fist at disconnects* |
| 04:28.43 | Amarande | Yeah, it was strange |
| 04:28.53 | Amarande | I was in Veil what's its name, the birdman place east of Auchindoun |
| 04:28.58 | Amarande | Not Skettis. The one you can reach on foot. |
| 04:29.35 | Amarande | I finished my work there, got down out of the trees, mined some fel iron, prospected it, cut the shadow draenite, dinged 324 JC |
| 04:29.48 | Amarande | headed back west to turn in my quests, and about halfway across Auchindoun I DC. |
| 04:30.10 | Amarande | I reconnect, and next thing I'm back in the tree forts, lucky that I didn't aggro a zillion birdmen and die at least. |
| 04:30.28 | Amarande | Cut shadow draenite, still there. Quest objectives I'd done, still there. JC point, rolled back. Odd. |
| 04:31.34 | Amarande | And mainly I found it odd because while the JC point was no longer present, things I had definitely done since leaving that spot in the trees were - the cut shadow draenite was made from one I had prospected from fel iron that I had, like I said, obtained AFTER climbing down |
| 04:32.07 | Amarande | And miffed me because at JC 320-324, basically -everything is in the deepish green- |
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| 04:35.27 | Hirsute | They must have changed that, because there were... 7 or so yellow choices to me in that range. |
| 04:36.17 | Amarande | hmm, I'm a bit foggy now |
| 04:36.32 | Amarande | I think I remember the yellow choices using enough mats to make them uneconomical compared to grinding out the greens though |
| 04:36.45 | Amarande | and at that point, I didn't have tons of gold to toss at every problem like I tend to now |
| 04:37.32 | Hirsute | I used the JC levelling guide at wow-professions, and never had a stretch that I had to use green stuff, or had things that were horribly pricey (until all I could do was cut metas in northrend) |
| 04:39.19 | Amarande | by the way, one thing that I have to wonder about the cross-server LFG |
| 04:39.26 | Amarande | how are stone keeper's shards going to be determined? |
| 04:39.36 | Hirsute | Good question\ |
| 04:39.42 | Amarande | since almost every mixed server group will probably be mixed WG possession |
| 04:39.51 | Shirik | wow, that's pretty pathetic |
| 04:40.00 | Shirik | I just spent 10 minutes trying to figure out why my wget command wasn't working |
| 04:40.16 | Shirik | The server redirects you to index.html if you try to access a page without the "www" in the hostname |
| 04:40.18 | Shirik | what kind of shit is that |
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| 04:40.27 | Hirsute | Since it's a "buff" you get that allows collection of the shards, I'd imagine you get them if you have the buff (based on the server you came from) and don't if you don't. |
| 04:42.37 | ZorbaTHut | I've always sorta wanted to make an adaptive prof leveling guide that's based on real statistics of probable skill gain, and pulls values straight out of auctioneer |
| 04:42.54 | ZorbaTHut | I've never seen anyone sit down and figure out the precise calculations of skill gain chance |
| 04:43.46 | Dagmar | I suspect mainly because it doesn't really matter |
| 04:43.48 | Amarande | I generally try to avoid greens, use orange whenever possible, look up in wowhead to make exactly the right number of something to go through its orange period, and if I can't find an orange I make whatever yellow I most fancy being stuck with a bunch of. |
| 04:43.56 | Amarande | or whichever's the cheapest |
| 04:44.11 | Amarande | but often whichever I most feel like I'd be happy stuck with a bunch of |
| 04:44.21 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, pfft, neither does any of this game. it's an interesting challenge, and what is life without challenge |
| 04:44.25 | Shirik | <p/> |
| 04:44.26 | Shirik | wtf is that |
| 04:44.30 | Shirik | some html tag |
| 04:44.31 | Dagmar | For all we know, Enchanting could be only partly like fishing |
| 04:44.40 | olafski | a paragraph that's closed immediately shirik :) |
| 04:44.44 | Shirik | yeah |
| 04:44.44 | Shirik | why |
| 04:44.49 | Hirsute | Shirik: Self-closing tag. For XHTML 1.1 (I think) all tags must be closed |
| 04:44.51 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, vertical spacing, most likely. |
| 04:44.54 | olafski | no clue.. maybe someone did it for spacing |
| 04:44.59 | Shirik | I have never seen someone use <p> for spacing o.o |
| 04:45.01 | Dagmar | Hey if you can find a reliable source of info about item level and enchanting skill at the time and whether or not someone got a point, i'll merrily help you plot those curves |
| 04:45.06 | olafski | hardly an appropriate way to do it but it works |
| 04:45.10 | Shirik | isn't that what <br /> is for? |
| 04:45.18 | olafski | no. :P |
| 04:45.24 | olafski | neither is to make spacing tbh |
| 04:45.32 | Hirsute | Could be spacing, the space created by the two different. |
| 04:45.38 | Dagmar | Like, with a _large_ quantity of data I know we can sort it out, but no one's tracking what someone's enchy skill at the time was |
| 04:45.42 | olafski | if you want more space than what a paragraph gives you, you should probably be fiddling with line spacing etc |
| 04:45.56 | Dagmar | Fishing at least, we know increments a little each time, and that the number involved is fractional |
| 04:46.13 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, write the code and I'll put it in Questhelper ;) |
| 04:46.30 | Dagmar | That is _very_ tempting |
| 04:46.34 | Amarande | gah, I really wish I felt motivated to level my priest one more level |
| 04:46.39 | ZorbaTHut | I was thinking about doing it myself, but I honestly don't have the time right now |
| 04:46.41 | Dagmar | I know there's a large installed base |
| 04:46.41 | Amarande | especially since it'll be 65 |
| 04:46.44 | Amarande | and I can get grand master profs |
| 04:46.56 | Amarande | but zangarmarsh feels soul sucking. :| |
| 04:47.10 | olafski | terrokar? or even nagrand? =) |
| 04:47.33 | Amarande | olafski: actually I'm not so sure if it's zangarmarsh |
| 04:47.40 | Amarande | or if it's just that I have a powerful warlock and a twinked out 31 hunter |
| 04:47.51 | Amarande | and meanwhile my priest feels kinda ... wimpy and squishy by comparison |
| 04:48.01 | olafski | I usually do HFP at 58, which gets you to around 61-62; then the quick quests in zangarmarsh (around 30?), then nagrand, about 10 quests in BEM and then the last few quests in netherstorm |
| 04:48.03 | Hirsute | Meh, the problem with trying to control format in HTML is that it was specifically designed not to control formatting, initially. So CSS tries to work around the hacks, but browsers don't all handle CSS according to the spec, so it's a mess in and of itself. (yay) |
| 04:48.22 | Dagmar | That's right. |
| 04:48.30 | Dagmar | HTML is about content markup that just happens to imply some formatting |
| 04:48.41 | Dagmar | ISN'T IT GREAT HOW PEOPLE ADHERED TO THAT |
| 04:48.48 | olafski | :D |
| 04:48.58 | Dagmar | If they hadn't we wouldnt' have the super-intelligent AI bots that can actually understand what everything on a page is that we have now |
| 04:49.18 | Dagmar | We'd have never found the cure to cancer being discussed in 4chan |
| 04:49.56 | Dagmar | I get pissed every time people write a news article that "rediscovers" that HTML is about meta information, and not formatting. |
| 04:50.12 | Jamash | I are a hmtl programmer! |
| 04:50.30 | Dagmar | You are a shrink-wrapped click monkey. |
| 04:52.19 | kd3 | grr |
| 04:52.25 | kd3 | die ie6 die |
| 04:52.25 | kd3 | that is all |
| 04:52.35 | Jamash | it's not dead yet? |
| 04:52.43 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 04:52.54 | kd3 | not until xp is |
| 04:52.56 | Dagmar | Microsoft's still running all those bots to pad the browser numbers. |
| 04:52.56 | kd3 | so... 2014? |
| 04:53.05 | Dagmar | _Pirated_ XP maybe. |
| 04:53.19 | Dagmar | Legit XP will go straight for IE7 the moment it smells Windows Update |
| 04:53.32 | Shirik | ^ |
| 04:53.48 | Dagmar | Gimme one good remote exploit and two months to set things up and I'll take care of that pesky little XP problem for you |
| 04:53.53 | Jamash | I run XP and I have IE 8 |
| 04:54.06 | kd3 | windows update? you mean joe blow actually runs it? |
| 04:54.19 | Dagmar | kd3: I'd like to think they do |
| 04:54.27 | Jamash | it ought to be enabled out of the box |
| 04:54.32 | Dagmar | ...but then again, this is why Joe Blow has nine viruses running all at once |
| 04:54.44 | kd3 | grrs some more at work still mandating ie6 to use the intranet |
| 04:55.09 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 04:55.14 | Dagmar | Magic Service Desk is one of those |
| 04:55.20 | Dagmar | It's complete shit but we're forced to use it |
| 04:56.11 | Dagmar | It's made by BMC Software, who were actually purchased by another very large company two years ago. |
| 04:56.35 | Dagmar | ...who after they got a good look at the flagship product by virtue of trying to use it, dropped the product, and actually sold the company off to someone else. |
| 04:56.35 | kd3 | magic service desk? is that your helldesk ticketing software? |
| 04:56.40 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 04:56.41 | Dagmar | It's crap. |
| 04:57.30 | Dagmar | It's written by people who never came out of the 80's and still think Crystal Reports is the bees knees and that RPG III is as complex a system as anyone needs, from what I can tell |
| 04:58.31 | Dagmar | It's such a mess that one of the panels in it's interface actually doesn't show your login ID, but the login ID of the last admin to login to the server |
| 04:58.38 | Dagmar | No idea why |
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| 05:45.39 | jnwhiteh | NightHawkTheSane: pong? |
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| 05:52.50 | NightHawkTheSane | jnwhiteh: is it possible to have the lightheaded frame show up on the quest detail frame that shows up when you click a quest in the tracker? |
| 05:53.11 | jnwhiteh | Currently, not without calling the API directly and creating your own frame |
| 05:53.20 | jnwhiteh | but with 3.3 I'm not sure how things will want to work |
| 05:53.50 | NightHawkTheSane | ahh |
| 05:54.25 | NightHawkTheSane | it'd be really nice, i'm always clicking that to check something, and forgetting it doesn't show up there >< |
| 05:54.33 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 05:54.45 | jnwhiteh | yeah I haven't been bit by that yet.. cause i haven't had time to play |
| 05:54.47 | jnwhiteh | but its not a trivial change |
| 05:54.57 | jnwhiteh | right now the window is pretty tightly coupled to the quest log |
| 05:56.26 | NightHawkTheSane | no worries |
| 05:56.28 | NightHawkTheSane | i was just wondering :) |
| 05:56.43 | jnwhiteh | yeah I'd like to get aroudn to it, just haven't been able to yet. |
| 06:03.51 | jnwhiteh | http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/10/game-of-thrones-cast-with-photos-.html |
| 06:03.56 | jnwhiteh | they couldn't have made them blonde? |
| 06:03.56 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
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| 06:05.49 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 06:05.54 | jnwhiteh | (Success) |
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| 06:09.52 | Yssaril | need an opinion http://i47.tinypic.com/slipvq.jpg do the skulls look ok? looks like http://static.wowace.com/content/images/17/35/InstanceMap.jpg if you have the ghostly skull pet (the skulls are animated/3d then) |
| 06:11.00 | jnwhiteh | yeah I think it looks good! |
| 06:12.30 | Yssaril | k ty |
| 06:13.24 | Shirik | jnwhiteh |
| 06:13.25 | Shirik | hi |
| 06:13.30 | jnwhiteh | hi |
| 06:19.32 | Jamash | in a macro /run script, can I find out what button was used to click on the macro? |
| 06:19.58 | NightHawkTheSane | there's probably some api method |
| 06:20.11 | jnwhiteh | no, it would be an argument to the handler |
| 06:20.13 | jnwhiteh | so Im' not sure |
| 06:20.23 | jnwhiteh | but I think there'd have to be |
| 06:20.26 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, *shrug* |
| 06:20.30 | jnwhiteh | since the default UI handles the conditionals |
| 06:20.37 | jnwhiteh | I'd look at that stuff to see if you can find it |
| 06:20.46 | Jamash | good idea |
| 06:21.16 | NightHawkTheSane | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetMouseButtonClicked ? |
| 06:21.35 | jnwhiteh | probably right =) |
| 06:22.07 | Jamash | that's exactly it |
| 06:22.09 | Jamash | thanks |
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| 06:46.43 | purl | ~pong |
| 06:47.11 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 06:47.13 | jnwhiteh | i hate macports |
| 06:47.23 | jnwhiteh | oh you need to install _anything_ |
| 06:47.23 | jnwhiteh | here |
| 06:47.31 | jnwhiteh | have half of the x11 libraries again |
| 06:47.33 | jnwhiteh | kthx! |
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| 06:50.28 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah.... |
| 06:56.15 | jnwhiteh | homebrew is much nicer, but not as.. disciplined =) |
| 06:57.42 | NightHawkTheSane | I kinda grew cold on macports when trying to compile php and having to recompile a bunch of the stuff i installed via macports, because it installed the i386 and i needed the x86_64 build.. |
| 06:58.06 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 06:58.09 | jnwhiteh | very frustrating |
| 06:58.16 | jnwhiteh | the fact that it doesn't re-use _anything_ that exists on the system |
| 06:58.20 | jnwhiteh | makes me want to cry |
| 06:58.38 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 07:00.04 | Jamash | macro length optimization is interesting |
| 07:05.56 | Jamash | the fruits of my labor: /run local u,p,P,x=UnitBuff,"player"," Presence",GetMouseButtonClicked()=="LeftButton"and not IsModifierKeyDown();if(u(p,"Blood"..P)and x)or u(p,"Unholy"..P)and not x then SetActiveTalentGroup(2)end |
| 07:13.16 | Shirik | hi NightHawkTheSane |
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| 07:16.32 | Shirik | oops |
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| 07:16.36 | Shirik | we just accidentally did Yogg +0 |
| 07:16.40 | Shirik | with all alts :/ |
| 07:21.26 | Jamash | accidentally? |
| 07:22.20 | Amarande | ore seems to be working odd on my server tonight :| |
| 07:22.32 | Amarande | there was like, *one* ore node in Azshara, that I could see |
| 07:22.43 | Amarande | and Searing Gorge had a strange ore shortage given that no one was around, plus it had a *silver vein* |
| 07:22.47 | Amarande | not truesilver, silver. |
| 07:23.07 | amro | Amarande: the earth ate some bad tuna |
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| 07:28.15 | Jamash | rawr, disconnected again |
| 07:28.20 | Shirik | Jamash |
| 07:28.23 | Shirik | we forgot to talk to the guys |
| 07:28.28 | Jamash | ah |
| 07:28.49 | Shirik | we were just powerclearing |
| 07:28.50 | Shirik | lol |
| 07:29.20 | Jamash | good times |
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| 08:11.54 | Fisker | you wouldn't kill a Shirik |
| 08:12.07 | Shirik | I would kill a fisker |
| 08:12.27 | Thunder_Child | i would kill you both, depending |
| 08:12.54 | Shirik | no |
| 08:13.00 | Shirik | you are just jealous |
| 08:13.04 | Thunder_Child | of? |
| 08:13.04 | Shirik | you would mug me for my pictures |
| 08:13.29 | Thunder_Child | i would mug you for your ability to get shit done |
| 08:13.39 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:13.55 | Shirik | is that a compliment? o.O |
| 08:14.03 | Amarande | oy, in three more levels I'll need gobs and gobs of mithril :( |
| 08:14.04 | Thunder_Child | sure |
| 08:14.22 | Amarande | which would be fine |
| 08:14.30 | Amarande | except tonight I discovered there seems to be a mithril shortage on Turalyon |
| 08:14.48 | Fisker | fuck |
| 08:14.49 | Dagmar | Start scraping the bottom third of that market days ahead of time |
| 08:14.50 | Amarande | I began to wonder if Blizzard had been served with cease and desist papers claiming that 'mithril' was someone else's trademark or something ... LOL |
| 08:14.52 | Fisker | we're all doomed |
| 08:14.53 | Fisker | DOOMED |
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| 08:15.04 | Dagmar | Don't buy it all... buy just enough to give people the hint they should list more |
| 08:15.06 | kiree | WoW Guide Lvl 1-80 - http://16ebe3p5tkfa-26gzt6xojwq3c.hop.clickbank.net/?tid=WORLDOFWARCRAFT |
| 08:15.08 | Amarande | Dagmar: the "bottom third" of the mithril market is currently a single bar. :| |
| 08:15.13 | Fisker | DON'T YOU GET IT kiree WE'RE ALL DOOMED |
| 08:15.15 | Dagmar | kiree: MAH KEYS! |
| 08:15.27 | Amarande | I went out to go mining, and ... |
| 08:15.31 | Amarande | There was none in Azshara |
| 08:15.34 | Dagmar | kiree: You're riding the short bus if you think any of us are clicking on that |
| 08:15.37 | Amarande | In fact, I could hardly find any mining nodes in Azshara |
| 08:15.41 | Fisker | DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEED |
| 08:15.46 | Dagmar | Amarande: Well, buy that one bar then |
| 08:15.46 | kiree | its a legitmate link |
| 08:15.50 | Amarande | and the one that would have been a mithril node ... go figure, that was the time it decided to pop as truesilver :D |
| 08:15.55 | kiree | it just helps me make money if anybody buys |
| 08:16.02 | kiree | and im trying to pay for school |
| 08:16.03 | Dagmar | kiree: No, it's a "legitimate" spam site |
| 08:16.05 | kiree | :/ |
| 08:16.11 | kiree | actually its not |
| 08:16.21 | kiree | im sorry you dont have the balls to check it out |
| 08:16.22 | Dagmar | You spammed the link yourself and you still say this? |
| 08:16.23 | Amarande | so I get disgusted, use my Direbrew's Remote to warp to BRD so I can quickly reach Searing Gorge |
| 08:16.31 | Dagmar | It's not balls I |
| 08:16.31 | kiree | cause im trying to get people to buy |
| 08:16.33 | Dagmar | 'm short of. |
| 08:16.35 | kiree | im premoting |
| 08:16.41 | Amarande | get out into Searing Gorge and there's hardly any ore, and even a regular silver node that I didn't think could even SPAWN in that high level area |
| 08:16.43 | kiree | promoting* |
| 08:16.46 | Amarande | I mean, regular silver is rare tin |
| 08:16.52 | Amarande | tin doesn't spawn in effing searing gorge, does it?! |
| 08:17.17 | Amarande | it wasn't till I got out to Badlands that I started to see anything resembling normal ore |
| 08:17.30 | kiree | WoW Guide Lvl 1-80 - http://16ebe3p5tkfa-26gzt6xojwq3c.hop.clickbank.net/?tid=WORLDOFWARCRAFT |
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| 08:17.33 | Amarande | they're not secretly planning some world event for 3.3 that involves a metal shortage are they? :| |
| 08:17.41 | Amarande | heh |
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| 08:17.54 | Dagmar | Amarande: http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/mapset.html?zone=2018&type=Mining&size=Large |
| 08:18.00 | Amarande | bah, if I ever use a leveling guide, it's always Jame's. |
| 08:18.01 | Dagmar | Don't ask me what the colored boxes mean. |
| 08:18.24 | Amarande | and lately I haven't, because the time I used it taught me the principles of efficient leveling enough to not need it again |
| 08:18.50 | Dagmar | Amarande: Ah, the SECOND link Google turned up. They're making me spoiled. http://wowvault.ign.com/View.php?view=guides.Detail&id=58#veinloc |
| 08:19.25 | Shirik | I know of a decent horde guide |
| 08:19.29 | Shirik | I forget what it's called |
| 08:19.33 | Dagmar | Jame's horde guide? :) |
| 08:19.35 | Amarande | on my hunter, I'm pretty much a masochist when it comes to mats, too |
| 08:19.37 | Shirik | maybe lol |
| 08:19.37 | Dagmar | I've used that |
| 08:19.43 | Amarande | runs both BS *and* Eng on my hunter |
| 08:19.45 | Shirik | I would have to go look at it again |
| 08:19.47 | Dagmar | He has one for each side |
| 08:20.22 | Shirik | yes that's it |
| 08:21.24 | Dagmar | Amarande: I'm actually seriously considering taking masochism to new levels and working out a "better" way of dealing with mail attachments. |
| 08:21.42 | Dagmar | I managed to slack off and lose another 200-300g in mats due to expiring mail this week |
| 08:21.47 | Amarande | At one point my hunter was going to be Mining/Eng |
| 08:22.01 | Amarande | but then I figured, since I have 450 mining on my warlock, why bother with mining ... |
| 08:22.19 | Dagmar | You probably want leatherworking, IMHO |
| 08:22.30 | Dagmar | The +attack to bracers is delish |
| 08:22.39 | Dagmar | ...plus you can make yer own epix. |
| 08:23.31 | Shirik | woah |
| 08:23.36 | Shirik | the electric company is giving me money? |
| 08:23.48 | Jamash | are you running solar panels? |
| 08:23.52 | Shirik | no |
| 08:24.07 | Shirik | I knew they fucked something up |
| 08:24.14 | Shirik | the last two months I've had to pay almost $150 |
| 08:24.18 | Dagmar | They did something like that here |
| 08:24.26 | Dagmar | Plus the e-billing people are retarded. |
| 08:24.41 | Dagmar | They don't update your balance until the meter is re-read. |
| 08:24.54 | Dagmar | So you'll pay a bill, and halfway through the month get a "reminder" about the bill you paid. |
| 08:25.03 | Shirik | supposedly they're giving me $45.53 |
| 08:25.17 | Dagmar | Clearly this garners them a lot of extra money from people like me who don't pay close attention to when we pay our bills. |
| 08:25.39 | Dagmar | It doesn't help things that NES (the power company) can't always figure out you just paid the same bill twiec. |
| 08:26.12 | Dagmar | I think my last words to them were "I AM PAYING A $3.95 SURCHARGE FOR WHAT EXACTLY???" |
| 08:26.44 | Dagmar | Angry letters to the PSC ensued for all the good it does. |
| 08:27.24 | Dagmar | I love paying four bucks for the privledge of having my payment magically disappear _online_ |
| 08:27.35 | Dagmar | it's pure win |
| 08:28.57 | Dagmar | I think perhaps that the only excuse for that might be if your parents were related before they were married. |
| 08:29.18 | Shirik | oh shit |
| 08:29.19 | Shirik | Shiibot worked |
| 08:29.25 | Shirik | I totally missed that |
| 08:29.30 | Shirik | so that's why you were talking about guides lol |
| 08:29.36 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 08:29.37 | NightHawkTheSane | you can't purchase conquest emblems with triumph emblems? >< |
| 08:29.50 | Thunder_Child | really Shirik? |
| 08:29.56 | Shirik | ? |
| 08:29.56 | Thunder_Child | thats...just wow |
| 08:30.07 | Shirik | :/ |
| 08:30.07 | Thunder_Child | that you missed Shiibot's actions |
| 08:30.15 | Shirik | why should I know >< |
| 08:30.16 | Dagmar | You can't get 25-man emblems with 10-man emblems? Who'd have thought it |
| 08:30.23 | Thunder_Child | there were 5 lines of spam! |
| 08:30.24 | Shirik | normally my client colors bans red |
| 08:30.28 | Dagmar | ...or have I got that backwards? |
| 08:30.32 | Shirik | but it's grey if you do multiple bans at once |
| 08:30.40 | Shirik | and there's only 3 lines of spam |
| 08:30.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: er... |
| 08:30.58 | NightHawkTheSane | triumph are the toc emblems, conquest are from heroics & prior raids |
| 08:31.17 | Jamash | there's a dude in the basement |
| 08:31.30 | Jamash | by which I mean the inn in the sewers of dalaran |
| 08:31.40 | Jamash | he will convert the various badges for you |
| 08:32.15 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: Yeah I don't know why |
| 08:32.53 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Wait... you mean you can trade ToC emblems for 25-man emblems? |
| 08:33.03 | Dagmar | Tehy're all pretty much confetti to me |
| 08:33.18 | Dagmar | I do ToC, things fall out of the sky and into my bags. |
| 08:33.22 | Dagmar | Every once in a while I go spend them. |
| 08:33.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: i mean you CAN NOT trade Triumph (ToC 10/25) emblems in for Conquest (EVERY FUCKING THING ELSE) emblems |
| 08:33.49 | Jamash | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=35790 |
| 08:33.58 | NightHawkTheSane | but you can do conquest->valor->heroism |
| 08:33.58 | Jamash | yes, you can |
| 08:34.02 | Dagmar | Since we no longer have to pick them up, I have completely forgotten where any of them come from. |
| 08:34.06 | Dagmar | I just have "many" of each |
| 08:34.12 | Dagmar | ...with varying levels of "many". |
| 08:34.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Jamash: fair enough, i just couldn't find it on the vendors in the inn |
| 08:34.33 | Dagmar | I probably screwed myself out of a few ilevels the last time then |
| 08:34.55 | NightHawkTheSane | aah, found the npc. silly that they dont put that on the actual triumph vendor |
| 08:35.01 | Jamash | yeah it's weird |
| 08:35.42 | Amarande | looks forward to full T9 once the patch hits. |
| 08:35.54 | Dagmar | I just look forward to easier pugging |
| 08:35.59 | Amarande | well |
| 08:36.00 | Amarande | easier pugging |
| 08:36.03 | Amarande | will mean more chain heroics |
| 08:36.05 | Amarande | which will mean more T9 |
| 08:36.07 | Dagmar | ...or at least a faster rate of collecting four idiots. |
| 08:36.19 | NightHawkTheSane | it'll be easier to gear up my alts, at least |
| 08:36.22 | Dagmar | I can deal with idiots as long as they can follow instructions. |
| 08:36.30 | NightHawkTheSane | getting 2-3 alts up to raiding level is kind of a pita. |
| 08:36.38 | Jamash | yeah, that's where I am right now |
| 08:36.54 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Yeah, tomorrow night I'll be resuming that work with my guild |
| 08:36.56 | Amarande | how many triumph badges does full T9 take? |
| 08:37.00 | Dagmar | We are stubborn bastards. |
| 08:37.25 | Dagmar | Each night we would just give HToC three good tries before going back to doing "regular" heroics |
| 08:37.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: 210 for t9-10 i think |
| 08:37.44 | Dagmar | _Knowing_ we all just hit 80 on these toons |
| 08:37.55 | Jamash | I wish they'd given toc5 and toc10/25 different acronyms |
| 08:38.41 | Dagmar | I may just start doing Naxx pugs again for some badges to get me a new shiny before 3.3 |
| 08:38.53 | Jamash | naxx, meh |
| 08:39.07 | Dagmar | Yeah but SOMEDAY I'll get those damn arbands from Grobby |
| 08:39.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Jamash: yeah >< |
| 08:39.22 | Dagmar | I have decided I shall never ever buy them, even if I can afford it. |
| 08:39.34 | Dagmar | Just because I figure the fourteenth try is the charm |
| 08:40.14 | Dagmar | I never seem to get the gear I want to drop. Just other stuff that's an upgrade I forgot about will drop three times in a night |
| 08:41.16 | Jamash | I finally got the bow from Hodir, I'm not going to complain about drops for a good while yet |
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| 08:41.49 | Dagmar | Let's just say that while I have the gun from HToC, I'm still using the Nesingwary because I likeit |
| 08:42.03 | Dagmar | If someone wants to bitch about the 1% difference they can suck it |
| 08:42.14 | Amarande | I've been obsessively twinking on Amaagnar |
| 08:42.22 | Amarande | I'll probably even stop to build the Gyro-Balanced Khorium Destroyer at 70 |
| 08:42.42 | Dagmar | I would get like that if we could take the appearance of one piece of gear and paste it over the stats on another. |
| 08:42.46 | Amarande | and the BC armorsmithing mail chest piece |
| 08:42.54 | Amarande | hmm, I wonder how long those two epics will last in Northrend |
| 08:43.00 | Dagmar | ...but I understand the PvP people would scream so loud it would raise dust clouds on the moon if Blizz allowed that. |
| 08:43.10 | Amarande | are those ones that get replaced quickly or "you might still be using those at 80" types? |
| 08:43.17 | Dagmar | ...and I totally concur with their assessment. ;) |
| 08:43.32 | Dagmar | Amarande: They'll last a while |
| 08:43.46 | Dagmar | Some of the player-made epics were REALLY close to BiS or were BiS before Ulduar |
| 08:44.27 | Dagmar | for a mage doing tailoring, when they hit 450 it's just bam-bam-bam three nice new darn-near BiS pieces |
| 08:45.39 | Dagmar | Amarande: For your hunter, with leatherworking, you'll be hard pressed to find a reason to wear any wrist pieces that aren't the Giantmaim or Eaglebane ones you can make yourself for a _while_ |
| 08:47.37 | Dagmar | ...oh and the cloaks. |
| 08:48.00 | Dagmar | If that's not supersaturated the two leatherworking cloaks are nice steady money |
| 08:49.00 | Dagmar | When I'm schlepping gear I can usually manage to make probably 400-500g a week on just those |
| 08:49.50 | Jamash | nice |
| 08:49.53 | Shirik | !reload |
| 08:49.53 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 08:51.46 | Dagmar | What I wanna see in 3.3 is a respec payment that just allows unlimited respecs |
| 08:52.14 | Jamash | and a pony |
| 08:52.18 | Jamash | actually I have a pony |
| 08:52.31 | Dagmar | Well, I blew an absurd amount of faux gold in ammo on the test server |
| 08:52.47 | Amarande | Dagmar: More Dakka! :) |
| 08:52.51 | Shirik | http://a.b.com/oofeokfpok |
| 08:52.56 | Shirik | ok nigt |
| 08:52.57 | Shirik | night |
| 08:52.59 | Dagmar | it's boring, but I *will* sit there and slap out a new rotation or a priority for an hour or two just to be sure the numbers match up |
| 08:53.05 | Amarande | what'd you do, use a 1.xx speed gun for too much dakka? :) |
| 08:53.10 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 08:53.18 | Shirik | you wouldn't sleep with Shiibot |
| 08:53.45 | Dagmar | Amarande: I basically did an auto-shoot for about three hours a pop on four different specs |
| 08:53.52 | Amarande | one thing I've come to notice in WoW is that fast weapons usually seem to suck. |
| 08:54.07 | Dagmar | The speed just doesn't matter anymore. |
| 08:54.15 | Jamash | speed kills |
| 08:54.19 | Dagmar | Where it might matter everything is "normalized" weapon damage |
| 08:54.20 | Amarande | are there *any* specs for which a faster weapon is preferable? |
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| 08:54.34 | Dagmar | I think rogues, maybe. |
| 08:54.43 | Jamash | rogues are the one class that likes fast weapons |
| 08:54.51 | Dagmar | ...or people who've specced to benefit on a crit count basis |
| 08:55.29 | Dagmar | I'm wondering how long it'll take people to complain that Intimidation is OP once it's instantaneous |
| 08:55.42 | Dagmar | The slow swing speed of the pet kinda sucks there. |
| 08:56.50 | Amarande | well, I know my *hunter* is just plain OP, but I don't know if that's anything to do with the hunter class in and of itself or if it's just the amount of twink enchants I use |
| 08:57.06 | Amarande | hell, I've noticed I even do reasonable damage for my level on *melee hits* |
| 08:57.08 | Dagmar | Well... it's like this. |
| 08:57.16 | Amarande | thanks to absurd amounts of AP for the early 30s due to having over 160 AGI already |
| 08:57.17 | Dagmar | hunters are _very_ gear-dependent. |
| 08:57.51 | Dagmar | If you can pour on agi or attack power through gear, you can crush mobs |
| 08:58.15 | Amarande | yeah, it pretty much takes an orange elite to be a significant threat |
| 08:58.16 | Jamash | pew pew |
| 08:58.27 | Dagmar | If you're using a bunch of twink enchants, you're pushing far to the high side of what kind of attack power an "average" stat might return |
| 08:58.59 | Dagmar | At 80, with the gear I have now, I just took the elite indicator off my unit frame. |
| 08:59.11 | Dagmar | It doesn't matter if something's elite. |
| 08:59.37 | Dagmar | If it's going to matter, I'd be an idiot for not noticing the mob is also twenty stories tall. |
| 09:00.57 | Jamash | woohoo, my copy of plants vs zombies has shipped |
| 09:01.37 | Dagmar | I thought that was on Steam |
| 09:01.42 | Jamash | it is |
| 09:01.58 | Jamash | curse.com doesn't give out steam gift certificates :P |
| 09:02.04 | Dagmar | I just threw out about 50 game boxes. |
| 09:02.08 | Dagmar | Ohh |
| 09:02.28 | Amarande | Dagmar: remember when the game box used to contain a cloth map and such, and a disc in a *real* case? |
| 09:02.35 | Jamash | yeah I get most things on Steam when I can |
| 09:03.00 | Dagmar | So long as Steam continues their policy of doing things like, letting me buy EP2 and having it download and install ALL of HL2 again just because they know I own it, all my purchases that can will go through them. |
| 09:03.14 | Dagmar | Amarande: You'd like my den. |
| 09:03.22 | Dagmar | I have maps of "not real" places in frames. |
| 09:03.33 | Amarande | curses the game industry for having become so austere and industrial |
| 09:03.37 | Amarande | gaming, to put it bluntly |
| 09:03.38 | Dagmar | EverQuest, Ultima, Liberty City... |
| 09:03.38 | Amarande | is an art |
| 09:03.48 | Amarande | it is not meant to be made into dry, cold hard industry |
| 09:03.54 | Amarande | it is an art, and should be a labor of love of its designers |
| 09:04.13 | Dagmar | I am somewhat considering printing some aerial maps of parts of Azeroth |
| 09:05.27 | Jamash | I see the end of boxed games as simply one more step towards the abandonment of physical instrumentality |
| 09:05.39 | Dagmar | The fun bits is when non-gamers see them and can't figure out how old my map of "Britan" is. |
| 09:05.44 | Dagmar | er Britain. |
| 09:05.57 | Jamash | heh |
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| 09:08.24 | Amarande | Jamash: and with digital distribution and continued technical progress, games will last as long as night-blooms |
| 09:08.49 | Amarande | wonder if there will ever be any really enduring classics from now on in video gaming ... |
| 09:08.59 | Dagmar | Jamash: I also have one that shows Qwghylm |
| 09:09.10 | Jamash | actually digital distribution enables games to have longer lives |
| 09:09.14 | Amarande | or if the circumstances allowing the creation of "enduring classics" were themselves ephemeral, and only existed in the 80s and 90s or so |
| 09:09.20 | Dagmar | Got it off some art guy on a sidewalk sale in SF |
| 09:09.21 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC73PHdQX04&feature=player_embedded |
| 09:09.25 | Amarande | Jamash: in the sense of better availability |
| 09:09.28 | Jamash | games move onto and off of shelves very quickly |
| 09:09.34 | Amarande | however, technical progress will continue to obsolete things rapidly |
| 09:09.46 | Amarande | if nothing else because MS screws with Windows and makes stuff break |
| 09:09.51 | Jamash | my Wii has games from the Commodore 64 |
| 09:09.54 | Dagmar | I still wouldn't mind if people started shipping more cloth maps in the mail after the fact. |
| 09:10.24 | Dagmar | No amount of red tag action will make a box beat digital downloads yet tho |
| 09:10.37 | Jamash | compatibility is a problem |
| 09:10.41 | Jamash | but look at Good Old Games |
| 09:11.22 | Dagmar | Oh I have a few that suck like that |
| 09:11.24 | Dagmar | Omicron. |
| 09:11.34 | Dagmar | It's very cool. I wanted to show it to my girlfriend. |
| 09:11.36 | Amarande | Dagmar: you mean THAT Omicron? |
| 09:11.48 | Amarande | The one for Commodore 64 that was originally published in Compute!'s Gazette in the 80s? |
| 09:11.49 | Dagmar | Basically, it was David Bowie's videogame, complete with a music video in the middle. |
| 09:12.08 | Dagmar | I got rid of all my C-64 stuff years ago |
| 09:12.15 | Amarande | man, I remember Compute!'s Gazette |
| 09:12.16 | Amarande | I'm old. :| |
| 09:12.30 | Jamash | it sounds familiar |
| 09:12.31 | Dagmar | Yep. I met one of their writers at a conference here when I was like, 16 I think |
| 09:12.35 | Dagmar | he was freaked. |
| 09:12.43 | Amarande | Jamash: it was the Compute! magazine specializing in Commodore computers |
| 09:12.55 | Amarande | it ran from like ... 1983 to 1990 or so |
| 09:13.13 | Dagmar | He's got graying hair and a beard and three very much teenaged kids walk up and start asking him questions about undocumented opcodes and raster features |
| 09:13.32 | Amarande | And when someone says ASL I still immediately think of the opcode |
| 09:13.32 | Dagmar | We went to lunch with him and he flat out told us we were freaking him out |
| 09:13.33 | Dagmar | heheh |
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| 09:14.10 | Dagmar | Dude I see people talking about the number of registers on 32-bit and I think "These people are so spoiled" |
| 09:14.12 | Amarande | I seem to remember no less of a luminary than Orson Scott Card wrote every now and then for the Compute! magazines |
| 09:14.23 | Dagmar | "In my day we only had X and Y and we LIKED it that way" |
| 09:14.59 | Dagmar | 48k pretty much forced you to learn assembly |
| 09:15.19 | Thunder_Child | in my day we complained about things that werent the same |
| 09:15.27 | Jamash | my dad was involved in a project that ported APL to the C64 |
| 09:17.53 | Fisker | i would kill Thunder_Child |
| 09:18.08 | Dagmar | Stuff like that is _exactly_ why I just went straight to assembly |
| 09:18.12 | Thunder_Child | i would let you Fisker |
| 09:18.21 | Dagmar | 245 or so opcodes. |
| 09:18.23 | Dagmar | Easy to learn. |
| 09:18.36 | Dagmar | ...but like building a full-sized car out of legos sometimes. |
| 09:19.02 | Fisker | i don't need your permission Thunder_Child |
| 09:19.39 | Fisker | i'm not a part of your system |
| 09:20.56 | Thunder_Child | yes you are Fisker, everyone is |
| 09:21.11 | Jamash | I am not a number |
| 09:21.44 | Thunder_Child | everything is math |
| 09:22.20 | Dagmar | So if Jamash is not a number, and Fisker is not a number, they must be the same. |
| 09:22.21 | jnwhiteh | the Lua virtual machine has a FISK opcode that instantly trolls your code. |
| 09:23.03 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child can not be a member of himself, so Fisker must be a member of the set of all things not Thunder_Child. |
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| 09:24.05 | Thunder_Child | what if my number set is humanity? then i can be a member of myself |
| 09:24.26 | Dagmar | Cannot be a member of self |
| 09:24.40 | Jamash | why not? |
| 09:24.43 | Thunder_Child | according to what> |
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| 09:24.46 | Dagmar | 1=1. |
| 09:24.49 | Thunder_Child | s/>/?/ |
| 09:25.20 | Dagmar | Pretty much every stretch of logic that works on something being a member of itself collapsses. |
| 09:25.24 | Jamash | 1=2 for exceedingly large values of 1 |
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| 09:26.20 | Jamash | I'm pretty sure you're using a version of set theory that's about a century out of date |
| 09:26.47 | Dagmar | Fewer paradoxes that way |
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| 10:06.51 | Adys | http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/images/havecake.png |
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| 10:24.25 | Wobin | "Tomorrow we are expecting temperatures to rise back to near 40 degrees in Sydney and across much of the north eastern part of NSW we could see temperatures in the mid 40s," a BoM Spokesman said. |
| 10:24.27 | Wobin | >< |
| 10:25.14 | zenzelezz | Australia needs a thermostat |
| 10:25.26 | Wobin | someone leaned on it to 'hot' |
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| 10:48.56 | industrial | protip: if you offer download locations, choose the mirror yourself, I dont give a flying shit. |
| 10:49.27 | industrial | protip: being annoying with registrations will make you HATED\ |
| 10:49.29 | industrial | boils |
| 10:49.54 | industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:50.07 | industrial | Why So Annoying Vmware Why Why Why? |
| 10:50.34 | Balreign_ | he IS actually boiling oO |
| 10:50.37 | industrial | ill torrent it >:| |
| 10:51.13 | industrial | bet I can get to the file in less clicks |
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| 11:29.29 | Adys | so I have 7 VOB files which make up for a neat 7gb or so |
| 11:30.01 | Adys | is there any way to convert them into a clean avi of sorts? it's kinda low res so it shouldnt actually take more than 2gb |
| 11:30.08 | Adys | (linux) |
| 11:32.46 | Lukian | acidrip + a bunch of other programs |
| 11:32.53 | Lukian | avidemux, ffmpeg, etc |
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| 11:56.06 | Arrowmaster | Adys: handbrake |
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| 12:07.25 | Bruners | is there any chat addons that has a /lastlog feature ? |
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| 12:38.54 | mikma | wobwork: http://www.geekologie.com/2009/11/nsfw_nsfw_wtf_did_i_just_watch.php |
| 12:38.56 | mikma | lolz |
| 12:45.51 | Fisker | old |
| 12:46.12 | Fisker | weird that youtube haven't removed it yet |
| 12:49.12 | p3lim | how do i register my git client with SSH id keys and such? |
| 12:49.16 | p3lim | (new computer) |
| 12:50.45 | Fisker | you need a new certificate i'd guess |
| 12:50.55 | cbreak | ssh-gen-key or something |
| 12:51.11 | cbreak | ssh-keygen it is :) |
| 12:51.27 | cbreak | then copy the public part to the computer you want to log in |
| 12:51.36 | cbreak | and add it to the authorized_keys file |
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| 12:58.17 | p3lim | mikma: awesome vid ^_^ |
| 12:58.34 | Fisker | NO! |
| 12:58.38 | p3lim | liked the music, let me test out my new 8.1 speakers with DTS soundcard :D |
| 12:58.43 | Fisker | hacks p3lim into pieces |
| 12:58.55 | Fisker | Because youtube now comes with surround sound? |
| 12:59.20 | p3lim | i downloaded it and took it through some software that came with my soundcard |
| 13:00.02 | p3lim | most likely not the best sound, but it did use all the speakers |
| 13:01.06 | amro | is there a simple tool for ripping audio from video? |
| 13:01.21 | cbreak | mplayer |
| 13:01.39 | p3lim | audacity, stereo mix |
| 13:02.00 | p3lim | got to cut it yourself though |
| 13:02.10 | mikma | p3lim: i agree, awesome :D |
| 13:02.33 | p3lim | cbreak: what do I do with this key I dumped in a text file? |
| 13:02.43 | p3lim | haven't done this in like a year |
| 13:02.54 | cbreak | if you're on the computer that you want to log in: |
| 13:03.08 | cbreak | cat mykey >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 13:03.11 | mikma | Tilaus (4399377) onnistui |
| 13:03.15 | cbreak | if it's on the same paths as I am |
| 13:03.20 | cbreak | just append it to the file |
| 13:04.05 | cbreak | make sure you do that with the public key |
| 13:04.08 | cbreak | not the private one :) |
| 13:04.28 | cbreak | you should have an id_rsa and id_rsa.pub |
| 13:04.31 | industrial | mikma: hahaha that video is genius :p |
| 13:04.42 | p3lim | http://help.github.com/msysgit-key-setup/ :D |
| 13:06.13 | cbreak | bah... command line > gui :) |
| 13:06.32 | p3lim | can't find the .ssh dir tho |
| 13:06.37 | p3lim | it doesnt exist |
| 13:07.08 | Bruners | make one |
| 13:07.17 | cbreak | should be on the remote in the home directory |
| 13:07.19 | cbreak | ~/.ssh |
| 13:07.28 | p3lim | does not exist |
| 13:07.38 | p3lim | and making one in win7 fails |
| 13:07.51 | industrial | there's tortoisegit |
| 13:07.57 | cbreak | do you even have an ssh server on windows? :) |
| 13:08.04 | p3lim | i prefer msysgit since im so used to it |
| 13:08.23 | p3lim | cbreak: works perfect on my old computer, which also uses win7 (RC tho) |
| 13:08.24 | industrial | zoek het dan maar zelf uit kerel :p |
| 13:08.47 | cbreak | well, without an ssh server it is technically impossible to log in via ssh... |
| 13:09.09 | industrial | you are misunderstanding eachother. |
| 13:09.49 | Bruners | p3lim: in win7 you make a .ssh folder in /Users/foo/ |
| 13:10.04 | p3lim | Bruners: can't make such a folder |
| 13:10.11 | industrial | p3lim: do you have the generated public key locally on windows? copy it. put it in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys |
| 13:10.14 | Bruners | p3lim: not even in command line? |
| 13:10.24 | p3lim | im a noob in cmd |
| 13:10.29 | Bruners | mkdir .ssh |
| 13:10.41 | p3lim | thanks |
| 13:11.01 | cbreak | make sure the permissions are user only |
| 13:11.07 | cbreak | or the ssh server will complain |
| 13:11.21 | industrial | cbreak: hes not running any ssh on windows. |
| 13:11.31 | p3lim | industrial: there is no such files |
| 13:11.34 | cbreak | then he doesn't need authorized_keys |
| 13:11.37 | cbreak | and he can't log in with ssh |
| 13:11.50 | industrial | cbreak: he still needs the key made first on the client |
| 13:12.12 | p3lim | industrial: already got the key |
| 13:12.17 | cbreak | ssh-keygen can make that without that directory |
| 13:12.26 | cbreak | that directory is only needed on the remote |
| 13:12.29 | cbreak | the server |
| 13:12.32 | industrial | so put it in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the ssh host? |
| 13:12.35 | cbreak | the place where you want to log into |
| 13:12.43 | cbreak | on the server, not the client |
| 13:13.52 | p3lim | hm |
| 13:14.12 | p3lim | id_rsa id_rsa.pug known_hosts and config does not exist in the .ssh dir |
| 13:14.18 | p3lim | how do I setup all this? |
| 13:14.30 | p3lim | I don't remember anything :p |
| 13:14.33 | cbreak | where is that .ssh file? |
| 13:14.39 | cbreak | on the server? |
| 13:14.52 | p3lim | locally |
| 13:15.04 | cbreak | then you don't need authorized_keys |
| 13:15.12 | cbreak | unless you want to log in TO local |
| 13:15.27 | cbreak | (I do that from my laptop for git push and git pull to a bare on my local machine) |
| 13:15.30 | industrial | p3lim: is this for git/github? |
| 13:15.57 | industrial | http://help.github.com/msysgit-key-setup/ |
| 13:15.58 | cbreak | id_rsa and id_rsa.pub gets generated with ssh-keygen |
| 13:16.07 | p3lim | industrial: yeah im on that page already |
| 13:16.17 | p3lim | though there were no .ssh folder or anything to begin with |
| 13:16.27 | cbreak | the .ssh folder is on the server |
| 13:16.37 | cbreak | on the remote |
| 13:17.03 | industrial | cbreak: please, you ar confusing me too now. both the server and client can have a .ssh/. |
| 13:17.25 | industrial | p3lim: that doesnt matter, it says there 'if it exists remove it'. so if it doesnt exits fine go to step 2? |
| 13:17.56 | cbreak | industrial: the .ssh local is for settings for the client. the .ssh on the server is for the keys for sshd |
| 13:18.06 | industrial | yes |
| 13:18.13 | cbreak | I guess windows' ssh client doesn't store settings in ~/.ssh |
| 13:18.20 | cbreak | that's why he didn't have it |
| 13:18.32 | industrial | he didnt have it because he didnt have any ssh client installed previously |
| 13:18.33 | cbreak | probably |
| 13:18.44 | industrial | it will be located there if he just runs the ssh-keygen |
| 13:19.32 | industrial | -> smoketiemz |
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| 13:27.43 | p3lim | got everything working now |
| 13:28.03 | p3lim | i was entering a custom file to dump the key into, that was the issue :p |
| 13:29.41 | zenzelezz | you hacker, you; always using custom files to foils the feds |
| 13:33.11 | p3lim | though how do i automaticly register ssh-agent with my passphrase? |
| 13:39.50 | cbreak | ssh-add |
| 13:41.16 | p3lim | 'Could not open a connection to your authentication agent.' |
| 13:41.24 | cbreak | maybe you don't have one |
| 13:42.08 | p3lim | just cba typing the passphrase every time i clone/push/whatever |
| 13:42.21 | cbreak | you can start an ssh-agent |
| 13:42.31 | cbreak | somehow mac os x does that for me, no idea how. |
| 13:42.39 | cbreak | but I guess if you manually start it it should work too |
| 13:43.04 | p3lim | how? |
| 13:43.38 | p3lim | benn lookig at a few things through google already, though no sucess |
| 13:44.16 | cbreak | seems it's done with launchd here |
| 13:45.23 | cbreak | seems it's started with /usr/bin/ssh-agent -l, but on your system that's probably different |
| 13:52.23 | p3lim | how do i start one tho? |
| 13:52.45 | cbreak | with /usr/bin/ssh-agent? |
| 13:52.51 | cbreak | or what ever the path for yours is |
| 13:54.20 | p3lim | yes |
| 13:55.20 | p3lim | nothing happems whem i run ssh-agent |
| 13:55.31 | p3lim | ssh-add is still not usable |
| 13:55.36 | p3lim | same error as earlier |
| 13:55.47 | cbreak | weird. |
| 13:55.58 | p3lim | stupid m button is sticky with the n button :< |
| 13:56.22 | cbreak | well, you might have to configure a socket |
| 13:56.31 | cbreak | so the ssh clients can communicate with the agent |
| 13:57.49 | cbreak | there's an environment variable that points to the socket too |
| 13:59.28 | p3lim | this is beyond me :/ |
| 13:59.46 | cbreak | the ssh clients have to communicate with the agent |
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| 14:40.10 | Adys | Lukian: cheers, acidrip is great |
| 14:42.18 | Bruners | p3lim: are you on linux ? if so keychain is your friend |
| 14:42.53 | p3lim | Bruners: win7 |
| 14:42.56 | Bruners | p3lim: for windows there is pageant and maby some more |
| 14:43.10 | Fisker | slaps Bruners around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:43.12 | Fisker | Bruners |
| 14:43.27 | Bruners | Fisker: yes, master |
| 14:43.33 | p3lim | I just want to be automaticly authenticated when im on this computer |
| 14:43.52 | Fisker | indeed Bruners |
| 14:43.58 | Bruners | p3lim: with pageant you can load ssh keys and type your passprhase once each session |
| 14:44.46 | Bruners | how to set that up with git i dont know, but its fairly simple with tortoise |
| 14:44.46 | p3lim | I don't want to type it once per session |
| 14:44.54 | Bruners | per session as in each time you reboot your computer |
| 14:45.03 | p3lim | I want it to be done automaticly |
| 14:45.20 | Bruners | i doubt that can be done |
| 14:45.33 | Fisker | Bruners |
| 14:45.35 | Bruners | auto login is always bad |
| 14:45.35 | Fisker | Kill google |
| 14:45.59 | p3lim | I think i didnt use a passphrase before |
| 14:46.07 | p3lim | that way I didnt have to type it in every time |
| 14:46.40 | Bruners | do you reboot your computer for each time you push something ? |
| 14:46.49 | p3lim | removed all the old sshkeys from github tho |
| 14:46.55 | p3lim | no, but still |
| 14:47.18 | p3lim | i rebooted alot on my old computer |
| 14:47.26 | p3lim | it would hang up alot (memory issues) |
| 14:47.52 | p3lim | probably don't have to on this one though.. |
| 14:47.59 | Bruners | its still just a password you type in once for each session of windows |
| 14:49.21 | Bruners | p3lim: you could also not use a passphrase cant you ? |
| 14:50.04 | Bruners | p3lim: haste is really good with this btw, you should ask him |
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| 15:02.47 | p3lim | Bruners: yeah I could not use a passphrase, though id prefer to actually use one since its more secure |
| 15:02.52 | p3lim | brb reboot |
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| 15:04.55 | Adys | Badly pissed off at youtube right now |
| 15:04.55 | Adys | http://s0.2mdn.net/1848353/PID_1186774_1258381788737_back.jpg |
| 15:04.58 | Adys | yt france to be specific |
| 15:05.09 | Adys | fucking retardedly huge ad on frontpage, and they dare have a fake close ad |
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| 15:10.46 | Cide | owned |
| 15:11.26 | Adys | yeah no badly pissed off |
| 15:11.49 | Adys | this is exactly in times like these you see the split between yt and google |
| 15:26.44 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: still trying to update... :/ |
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| 15:33.57 | Fisker | slaps ScytheBlade1 around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:34.02 | Fisker | what are you going to do about that ScytheBlade1 ? |
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| 15:38.54 | mikma | silence, he'll kill you! |
| 15:42.23 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
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| 16:03.48 | Lothaer | hey guys |
| 16:06.08 | zenzelezz | hi |
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| 16:26.24 | Bruners | where are all the swedes when needed |
| 16:35.09 | Fisker | you wouldn't need a swede |
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| 16:46.08 | Zyn | YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A SWEDE |
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| 16:53.58 | Tuller | hrm yes, so my account was hacked :P |
| 16:57.40 | Stanzilla | :( |
| 17:00.11 | Ginji | bad password is a bad password |
| 17:00.46 | Tuller | yeah that's what I suspect pretty much |
| 17:00.57 | Tuller | hrm fascinating |
| 17:01.10 | Tuller | the blizzard support form thinks my email address is not a valid email address :P |
| 17:01.54 | Tuller | (I had just switched it to a bob+blah@gmail.com as one of my security changes) |
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| 17:07.48 | AbsolutRayne | ZzZz |
| 17:08.01 | Lopeppeppy | Offering to share? I could use some. |
| 17:08.07 | Tuller | the one annoying thing is that i was actually working on a guildbank mod, so there's a good bit of a log showing me adding and removing items from it when I was testing things |
| 17:08.44 | AbsolutRayne | Im not even close to awake yet |
| 17:09.27 | AbsolutRayne | Sitting here in Zombie mode doing my dailies @_@ |
| 17:12.28 | Lopeppeppy | That's pretty sleepyful, ya |
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| 17:17.47 | Fisker | sux to be you Tuller |
| 17:18.17 | Lunessa | I thought it was "Sux to be Fisker, and then you die, drown in 1,000 liters of milk." |
| 17:18.24 | Fisker | I think they broke bob+blah@mailz0rz.z000000000rz |
| 17:18.25 | Fisker | btw |
| 17:18.39 | Lopeppeppy | only 1K liters? |
| 17:18.44 | Fisker | Tried to create a test account here a few weeks ago and battle.net wouldn't accept it |
| 17:18.49 | Lopeppeppy | wants more. Her milk was bad this morning. No breakfast!! |
| 17:18.50 | Dagmar | It's enough |
| 17:18.55 | Tuller | actually they did accept it |
| 17:19.04 | Fisker | ;O |
| 17:19.17 | Tuller | my battle.net account has a + in it now :P |
| 17:19.23 | Tuller | and I successfully logged into wow with it |
| 17:19.44 | Tuller | i'm pretty sure its just that their regex for the support form does not |
| 17:19.52 | Dagmar | Somehow I think Blizz is above selling their userlist for spam |
| 17:20.28 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I don't. But the Privacy Policy currently forbids it. |
| 17:20.32 | Dagmar | ...although, they're about the ONLY people I don't give a tagged email address to. |
| 17:20.41 | Dagmar | Lunessa: That actualyl doesnt' mean a damn thing |
| 17:20.52 | Tuller | its more of a "this makes it slightly harder to guess my login info" thing |
| 17:20.53 | Dagmar | I've busted three companies on that in the last three years. |
| 17:21.09 | Dagmar | Either they outright deny it or they wail "OMG TEH HAX0RS!" |
| 17:21.29 | Fisker | i don't care either way |
| 17:21.32 | Fisker | i'm not retarded |
| 17:21.41 | Dagmar | Tuller: Ooo... a whole 40 more attempts per digit |
| 17:21.42 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I know. And I expect at some point someone will offer them a very nice chunk of change to sell us some shit, and ActivisionBlizzard will laugh all the way to the bank. |
| 17:21.44 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 17:21.45 | Fisker | "hurr durr enlarge my penis DERP DERP DERP" |
| 17:22.22 | Dagmar | Somehow I think their budget is already a bit larger than any spammer could buy |
| 17:22.27 | Dagmar | er buy into |
| 17:22.32 | Lunessa | Also, wprking Saturday blows goats. |
| 17:23.06 | Fisker | i wish |
| 17:23.37 | Fisker | just gonna put out my :3 face |
| 17:24.16 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy |
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| 17:24.33 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 17:24.34 | Fisker | wanna die? |
| 17:25.20 | Ancu | Your wanting to kill shirik this early in the morning? Your getting an awfully early start |
| 17:25.32 | Fisker | Late in the evening almost |
| 17:25.41 | Dagmar | He's a go-getter, alright. |
| 17:25.42 | Fisker | anyways who said anything about killing? |
| 17:26.02 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik. |
| 17:26.11 | Lopeppeppy | Ouch, Lunessa. *hug* |
| 17:26.16 | Cairenn | huggles everyone |
| 17:26.44 | Tuller | waffles |
| 17:27.11 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I wish. |
| 17:27.25 | Lunessa | huggels Lopeppeppy and Cairenn, the rest of you are on your own. |
| 17:27.45 | Fisker | why won't you die? |
| 17:27.57 | Cairenn | Lunessa: how are you doing sweetie? |
| 17:28.22 | Lunessa | I'm good luv. I have Chai and a slow day in the office. :) |
| 17:28.29 | Cairenn | :) |
| 17:29.00 | Fisker | Blowing a goat last i heard |
| 17:29.07 | Fisker | :D |
| 17:29.57 | Ancu | Oh right, I stayed up till 5 last night and only just got up |
| 17:30.04 | Shirik | frowns at Lunessa |
| 17:30.09 | Ancu | I'm late, not Fisker, lol. |
| 17:31.03 | Fisker | you wouldn't ski in the mountain |
| 17:31.03 | Fisker | s |
| 17:31.17 | Lunessa | Shirik: Sorry man, you've got a man parts. Hugging is only acceptable in times of crisis, meeting after long separation, being a blood-relative, or at a sporting event. |
| 17:32.03 | Fisker | Well Shirik isn't that far of a step down from blowing goats |
| 17:32.31 | Lunessa | Let it go Fisker, I'm not making goat porn. |
| 17:32.59 | Fisker | you're not that great compared to the pros anyway |
| 17:34.07 | Lunessa | Fisker: Your in-depth knowledge of goat porn comes as no shock to any of us. |
| 17:37.49 | Lopeppeppy | I have girl-parts, and I hug all the time. |
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| 17:39.10 | Shirik | I think that is what Lunessa was saying, Lopeppeppy |
| 17:39.21 | Shirik | I am not authorized for hugs as I do not have the required equipment |
| 17:39.41 | Dagmar | ...or the proper forms from HR filled out. |
| 17:45.26 | Lopeppeppy | You are authorized for hugs FROM ME though. :) |
| 17:48.06 | Lunessa | Chai spiced green tea makes work tolerable. |
| 17:48.14 | Lopeppeppy | Does it? |
| 17:48.30 | NightHawkTheSane | chai spiced green tea makes EVERYTHING tolerable |
| 17:48.50 | Dagmar | So do couple of blue xanax |
| 17:49.08 | Lunessa | No. no psychotropic meds. |
| 17:49.25 | Dagmar | Don't think of them as meds. Think of them as happy candy |
| 17:49.29 | Lopeppeppy | But! |
| 17:49.41 | Dagmar | Or at least "mildly amused no matter what may happen"-candy. |
| 17:50.02 | Dagmar | has taken a lot of things and still thinks xanax is scary. |
| 17:50.20 | Dagmar | Moods should _move around_ |
| 17:50.32 | Lunessa | Dagmar: So, like "candy that kills my sense of irony, higher brain function, and inhibits my desire to jump all things female" candy? I'll pass. |
| 17:50.46 | Dagmar | I wouldn't say it inhibited things |
| 17:51.05 | Dagmar | It nailed things in place in a disturbingly authoritarian way. |
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| 17:51.30 | Lunessa | Overshare. |
| 17:51.41 | Dagmar | Some well-meaning person gave me one when I worked for the travel agency. |
| 17:51.46 | Dagmar | I could not WAIT for it to wear off. |
| 17:51.59 | Lunessa | I hope that well meaning person is off your friends list. |
| 17:52.04 | Dagmar | I was watching some cartoons. My response was "heh" |
| 17:52.20 | Dagmar | I watched a hilarious movie. My response was "heh". |
| 17:52.32 | Dagmar | I watched a horror movie, my response was "heh". |
| 17:52.48 | Dagmar | I watched Requiem, my response was "heh". |
| 17:53.16 | Dagmar | I became concerned enough that I went and smacked my thumb with a hammer. My response was "heh". |
| 17:53.18 | Fisker | you wouldn't heh |
| 17:53.20 | Lunessa | My point exactly. |
| 17:53.37 | Dagmar | At that point I just went back to the couch and stared at the wall (response to wall? "Heh") until it wore off. |
| 17:54.10 | Lunessa | I don't need my mind neutered by chemical agents no matter how much good someone thinks it will do me. |
| 17:54.46 | Dagmar | Fisker: I've taken a whole slew of designer pharms just to see what they do from the inside. Believe me I _did_ go smack my thumb once I figured out something was very bizarre. |
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| 17:54.56 | Dagmar | So it stays tender a day or two |
| 17:55.00 | Dagmar | Big deal. |
| 17:55.30 | Dagmar | Smack it with a hammer or bounce the entire hand off a countertop as I walk by without looking, same difference. |
| 17:55.37 | Dagmar | I do the latter at least once a month. |
| 17:55.48 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: :) |
| 17:56.05 | Dagmar | I seriously worry about people who _like_ xanax |
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| 17:56.27 | Lopeppeppy | I just worry about peoples. |
| 17:56.31 | Lopeppeppy | Peoples are pretty damn dumb |
| 17:56.39 | Shirik | is dumb :( |
| 17:56.42 | NightHawkTheSane | i stopped worrying about people |
| 17:56.48 | NightHawkTheSane | they can all rot :P |
| 17:57.04 | Dagmar | I'm with Lopepeppy. |
| 17:57.43 | Dagmar | They just managed to argue a judge into ruling that a law that allows CCP's to be valid in bars and restaurants was invalid due to "vagueness" in a state where there are technically no bars. |
| 17:59.50 | Lopeppeppy | Must... avoid... sleepions... |
| 18:00.49 | Shirik | :( Lopeppeppy |
| 18:00.58 | Shirik | you aren't at work, right? |
| 18:01.19 | Lopeppeppy | No dear, it's saturday, and I work a boring job. I'm at home with two sleeping cats, sunlight, and a nasty cold. |
| 18:01.51 | Shirik | then get some sleep :) you deserve it |
| 18:05.23 | Fisker | you get some slaps Shirik |
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| 18:07.46 | Ginji | Whenever work is slow for me I just wrestle with a collegue |
| 18:07.57 | Ginji | That always helps to keep the blood flowing |
| 18:08.08 | Lunessa | CCP? |
| 18:08.18 | cbreak | a sharp knife keeps blood flowing easier |
| 18:08.38 | Dagmar | Concealed Carry Permit |
| 18:08.38 | Ginji | Not as much fun |
| 18:08.50 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Which state? |
| 18:08.55 | Dagmar | Tennessee. |
| 18:09.09 | Dagmar | One of the things they were saying to the press was "The Wild West Days are over" |
| 18:09.14 | Dagmar | Loons |
| 18:09.30 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Those people are nuts anyway. Major state export = Whiskey. Can't drink it in most of the state. |
| 18:09.49 | Dagmar | You actually can, but you can't in Lynchburg--the county where it's made. |
| 18:09.50 | Ginji | Why do you even need a gun anyway |
| 18:09.55 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Texas has Concealed Carry. We can carry in bars with a permit. |
| 18:10.08 | Dagmar | Ginji: To stop someone who might be about to shoot the place up |
| 18:10.23 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Yeah, I know. I also know why. |
| 18:10.24 | Ginji | Why not remove all guns instead? |
| 18:10.25 | Lunessa | Ginji: Because unarmed people aren't citizens. They're subjects. |
| 18:10.28 | Dagmar | You guys had an "incident" over there. |
| 18:11.00 | Dagmar | Some whackjob shot and killed a bunch of people in a restaurant, including close relatives of someone who had a CCP but left it locked in the car because of the law at the time. |
| 18:11.15 | cbreak | just cary it unconcealed |
| 18:11.16 | cbreak | easy. |
| 18:11.43 | Dagmar | Stats show that places that allow it don't have those CCP shooting at folks because they've been drinking |
| 18:11.56 | Lunessa | cbreak: That tends to be problematic, and there are places you can't take one anyway even with a permit. For example, I can't bring my gun to work. |
| 18:12.08 | Dagmar | cbreak: Not so easy. Drunken loons may try to make a grab for it. |
| 18:12.28 | Lunessa | Note I work for a univeristy/school. |
| 18:13.01 | cbreak | how about a kevlar vest? |
| 18:13.02 | Dagmar | I can lockdown the office from my phone for this reason. |
| 18:13.06 | Dagmar | I have tested this. |
| 18:13.24 | Dagmar | Steel doors and machine racks will stop a spray of bullets just fine. |
| 18:13.31 | cbreak | sounds more reasonable as defense anyway |
| 18:13.46 | Lopeppeppy | cbreak, they've not yet made a vest that protects your head |
| 18:13.55 | cbreak | tinfoil hats? |
| 18:14.00 | cbreak | (multi layered!) |
| 18:14.04 | Lopeppeppy | Those work better |
| 18:14.11 | Lunessa | One of the very few things my father left to me at his passing was a .44 magnum. It's not something one could carry concealed. |
| 18:14.33 | batrick | don't make fun of my faraday cage |
| 18:14.39 | Lunessa | It has a barrel on it like a damned tank. |
| 18:14.42 | cbreak | I find such weapons to be crude. |
| 18:14.49 | Lopeppeppy | I had a 12 guage once, I gave it to my brother because I had no safe storage for it... |
| 18:16.00 | Lunessa | cbreak: I also have a dirk and a longsword. More elegant weapons from a less civilized age. |
| 18:16.15 | Shirik | Lunessa: You can't bring a gun t owork? |
| 18:16.18 | cbreak | I was thinking of arcane missiles. |
| 18:16.24 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 18:16.25 | Dagmar | Good plan |
| 18:16.55 | Shirik | Florida law requires that employers allow their employees to bring guns to work, except in very specific circumstances (such as schools) |
| 18:17.07 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 18:17.12 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, you didn't say we could talk about our pointy bits! |
| 18:17.17 | Dagmar | T-Shirt: ".45 caliber? 9mm? 22mm? Magic missiles NEVER MISS." |
| 18:17.18 | NightHawkTheSane | what moron writes a law like- oh, wait, southerners.. |
| 18:17.22 | Lopeppeppy | I lost a lot of those in the divorce, but I still have 7 or so. |
| 18:17.27 | Lunessa | Shirik: State law prevents non-law-enforcement personnel from carrying a gun on school/university campuses. There is a bill going before the state senate to allow concealed carry permits to allow carry there. |
| 18:17.39 | Shirik | oh you work on a school? |
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| 18:18.11 | Lunessa | I work for a university. |
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| 18:18.43 | Lopeppeppy | He's like me, only a tons lots more better. |
| 18:19.02 | Shirik | ok then I can understand why you can't |
| 18:19.14 | Shirik | same for Florida, this law is excepted for schools and some other situation |
| 18:19.43 | Lunessa | Shirik: Employers can forbid guns on private property as well. |
| 18:19.51 | Shirik | not in Florida :) |
| 18:20.11 | NightHawkTheSane | right, note to self, never visit florida. ever. |
| 18:20.18 | Lunessa | Yeah, but... you guys have Kissime and Orlando, so it's a wash. |
| 18:20.41 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/129267 |
| 18:21.54 | Ginji | I still think it's silly |
| 18:22.21 | Lunessa | Shirik: Thats true here too. But I can't take the gun (say in a shoulder rig) into the building with me at most places. |
| 18:23.08 | Lunessa | If I have Concealed Carry Permit, I can still be prohibited by my employer from carrying the gun inside the office. |
| 18:23.37 | Lunessa | And... Since I work at a school.... I can't carry one even in my car. |
| 18:23.54 | Shirik | well schools are a special circumstance |
| 18:23.59 | Shirik | and you should have your own security |
| 18:24.00 | Lunessa | Right. |
| 18:24.07 | Lunessa | We have a police force. |
| 18:24.10 | cbreak | I don't consider the inability to carry a weapon a big drawback |
| 18:24.14 | Shirik | all of our officers have guns |
| 18:25.23 | Lunessa | cbreak: Different people, different beliefs. However, if we'd let King George take away our guns, we'd be Brits, French, Danes, and other nation's instead of our own. So I tend to feel differently about it. :P |
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| 18:25.53 | Ginji | Oh right, you want to remain unique |
| 18:26.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: next time someone invates us soil, i'll be okay with letting civillians have guns |
| 18:26.07 | cbreak | I am swiss |
| 18:26.07 | NightHawkTheSane | invades* |
| 18:26.12 | Grum | guns == fail :( |
| 18:26.13 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Happened twice. :) |
| 18:26.20 | cbreak | many people here have machine guns in their house |
| 18:26.26 | cbreak | but we don't carry them around with us |
| 18:26.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: and, the mililtary was quite capable of dealing with it |
| 18:26.33 | Grum | having them is bad enough :) |
| 18:26.39 | NightHawkTheSane | no need for civilians to form a militia for the defense of the state |
| 18:26.43 | cbreak | (unless we go kill innocent girls at buss stops or politicians ... which happened) |
| 18:26.44 | NightHawkTheSane | thus, no need for them to own guns |
| 18:27.07 | Ginji | The reason US citizens are allowed to have guns is to rebel against the state should the need arise |
| 18:27.11 | Lopeppeppy | Happens no matter what the laws are, cbreak |
| 18:27.17 | Lunessa | Owning guns is not the cause of gun violence. No more than owning hands is the cause of punching people in the face. |
| 18:27.25 | Grum | being able to own a gun keeps the gun industry alive as well .. which only makes more guns ... and we all know what that ends up in .. shootings/crap |
| 18:27.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Ginji: actually, literally speaking, quite the opposite |
| 18:27.36 | cbreak | I don't think rebillion is allowed |
| 18:27.38 | NightHawkTheSane | the specific provision is for the defense of the state |
| 18:27.53 | Ginji | Really, I though it was to keep the government in check |
| 18:27.55 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: Last I checked, criminals don't follow the law |
| 18:27.58 | Shirik | I might be wrong |
| 18:28.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Ginji: not at all |
| 18:28.02 | Shirik | but I think they don't |
| 18:28.10 | Ginji | Then why the hell do they need guns? |
| 18:28.15 | Lunessa | "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." |
| 18:28.15 | NightHawkTheSane | they ont |
| 18:28.16 | NightHawkTheSane | dont* |
| 18:28.21 | Grum | because you ahve the right to bear arms :p |
| 18:28.31 | Ginji | Yes, "Bear Arms" |
| 18:28.35 | Ginji | As in, wildlife |
| 18:28.39 | Grum | hehe yeah |
| 18:28.42 | cbreak | as far as I know, the USA don't have a militia |
| 18:28.49 | Lunessa | But we have the right. And our government is forbidden from removing that right. |
| 18:28.53 | cbreak | they have an army of professionals |
| 18:29.00 | Shirik | The only way for people to be safe would be to uninvent guns |
| 18:29.06 | Ginji | I still think it's retarded |
| 18:29.14 | Shirik | since that's not possible, the only alternative is to ensure that the law-abiding citizens have a way to protect themselves |
| 18:29.19 | cbreak | people weren't save before guns were there |
| 18:29.21 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, don't be foolish. There are tons of other ways to be unsafe. |
| 18:29.21 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
| 18:29.22 | Lunessa | We also have militia. State Guard, volunteer groups. We have them all. |
| 18:29.27 | Grum | Shirik: or just stop producing them, that would sortof get rid of it within ~50 years |
| 18:29.47 | Shirik | You think there wouldn't be organizations that start producing them for the black market? |
| 18:29.51 | Lunessa | Grum: Moving on to knives next? |
| 18:30.00 | Ginji | Knives I can run away from |
| 18:30.00 | Lopeppeppy | Nah. You can maintain a good fiream for much longer than 50 years. |
| 18:30.01 | NightHawkTheSane | other countries manage to be just as save without sticking rediculously powerful firearms in the hand of untrained idiots |
| 18:30.02 | Grum | Lunessa: unless for cooking? yeah |
| 18:30.06 | Ginji | Random angry git with a gun, not so much |
| 18:30.07 | NightHawkTheSane | safe* |
| 18:30.07 | Lunessa | Then we'll get rid of bows too. |
| 18:30.22 | Grum | Lunessa: yeah fine |
| 18:30.24 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, yes, and toothpicks. |
| 18:30.24 | Grum | please :) |
| 18:30.26 | Shirik | staples Lunessa |
| 18:30.26 | cbreak | bows are hard to use |
| 18:30.39 | cbreak | (properly) |
| 18:30.40 | Lunessa | And while we're at it, let's get rid of cars since those kill more people than guns do - every day. |
| 18:30.57 | cbreak | that's a good idea. |
| 18:30.58 | Grum | lets just put all the guns into texas, just heap em up, tell everyone it is free and then .. i dunno, nuke the place when everyone is going to get their gun? ;D |
| 18:31.15 | Lunessa | Grum: I'm in Texas. So... um, fuck you. |
| 18:31.22 | Grum | i just named a random place! |
| 18:31.27 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont even actually have a problem with people owning guns, as long as its strictly on private property where explicitly allowed, limited to small calibur weapons, and requiring extensive training & background cehcking |
| 18:31.37 | Grum | with guns on my mind texas came to mind first ;D |
| 18:32.00 | Ginji | NHTS, don't forget to have it properly secured |
| 18:32.01 | Lopeppeppy | Shouldn't. |
| 18:32.06 | Lunessa | I'd be willing to issue every man and woman a gun at their majority. |
| 18:32.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Ginji: thats harder to legislate |
| 18:32.12 | Ginji | Don't want your son with mental issues shooting up his college |
| 18:32.13 | Lopeppeppy | There are tons of guns per capita in New York State. |
| 18:32.37 | Grum | also lots of smart people in NY state, look at the color they vote :p |
| 18:32.56 | ScytheBlade1 | is allowed to bring guns onto his school campus, and in classrooms |
| 18:33.02 | NightHawkTheSane | there's lots of dumb people in NYS too |
| 18:33.05 | NightHawkTheSane | its a big state |
| 18:33.06 | Lopeppeppy | Color? |
| 18:33.12 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 18:33.13 | NightHawkTheSane | fortunately, its politically dominated by the cities |
| 18:33.17 | ScytheBlade1 | no forms or background check needed |
| 18:33.42 | Lopeppeppy | New York State has a large area that is below poverty level in rural areas, those guns are about survival. Thank god for wildlife. |
| 18:33.51 | Ginji | At the end of the day, it's not me who's living there so I don't really care. But I don't support the right to bear arms, I think it's no longer relevant |
| 18:34.11 | Grum | the 'survival' thing doesnt work if the other guy has no gun, so just destroy them all? solve the problem? |
| 18:34.30 | Grum | and it would be much more entertaining to see them go to combat with spears and clubs :P |
| 18:34.47 | cbreak | I don't think guns are useful for hunting |
| 18:34.49 | Lunessa | If you want to eliminate violence against your fellow man, don't remove the weapons. Remove the causes. Get rid of insanity, criminality, and evil. |
| 18:34.52 | cbreak | also, even if it's for survival |
| 18:35.01 | cbreak | I think planting stuff is more productive than hunting |
| 18:35.07 | Grum | hmmm how to get rid of evil? :D |
| 18:35.11 | Ginji | Lunessa: and since that's impossible, we move to the next best thing |
| 18:35.14 | Ginji | weapons |
| 18:35.29 | Shirik | Removing weapons does not do anything |
| 18:35.34 | Shirik | it is impossible to remove every weapon in teh world |
| 18:35.38 | Lunessa | *sigh* I'll just agree that you're a brand of insane, and leave it at that. |
| 18:35.45 | Shirik | all we are doing is removing weapons from those that are not "insanity, criminality, and evil" |
| 18:35.48 | cbreak | removing weapons lowers property and population damage |
| 18:35.49 | ScytheBlade1 | weapons is not the next best thing |
| 18:35.49 | Grum | it is still possible to remove all guns :p |
| 18:35.52 | cbreak | if you manage to do it |
| 18:35.57 | Shirik | it is not possible to remove all guns |
| 18:35.58 | Lopeppeppy | replace all guns with kisses! |
| 18:35.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I can kill with a pencil |
| 18:36.11 | ScytheBlade1 | BAN PENCILS! |
| 18:36.12 | Thunder_Child | you can remove a physical object but not the idea |
| 18:36.16 | cbreak | I can kill with water. |
| 18:36.17 | Thunder_Child | and people can make more |
| 18:36.19 | Grum | why would you need/want to kill? |
| 18:36.22 | cbreak | is a frost mage |
| 18:36.33 | Thunder_Child | all you do is stop the people that would not abuse guns from having them |
| 18:36.41 | Ginji | So basically, we should just eradicate all mankind, then the guns can stay |
| 18:36.47 | Lopeppeppy | woot |
| 18:36.48 | Shirik | sounds good |
| 18:36.55 | Grum | lets ask god for a flood in 2012? ;) |
| 18:36.58 | Lunessa | cbreak: Don't tell me you never use arcane missiles. I know you sneak one or two in... I KNOW IT. :P |
| 18:36.59 | Ginji | Save the enviroment in the process |
| 18:37.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: great, so we can have ever escalating levels of armament among the general populace. when some douchbag redneck kills fifty people in a mall because his finger slipped on his fully licenced fully automatic machine gun while at the mall, i'll blame you. |
| 18:37.11 | Fisker | you wouldn't create a technology enabling gamers to control real life humans as soldiers in a war |
| 18:37.15 | Fisker | would you Shirik ? |
| 18:37.23 | cbreak | Lunessa: I am frost by name, arcane by fact |
| 18:37.24 | NightHawkTheSane | bah, some duplication in that sentence |
| 18:37.30 | ScytheBlade1 | if you manage to remove all guns worldwide |
| 18:37.31 | NightHawkTheSane | i shouldn't try crafting things in wow and typing here at the same time |
| 18:37.43 | ScytheBlade1 | you're still left with rocks |
| 18:37.49 | ScytheBlade1 | so |
| 18:37.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 18:37.56 | Grum | ScytheBlade1: which would be much more fun |
| 18:38.01 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: I never said (1) he should get a fully automatic machine gun |
| 18:38.07 | Grum | and you could just wear a hardhat if you'd run through a 'rocky area' |
| 18:38.10 | Shirik | However (2) what's stopping him from doing that now? |
| 18:38.12 | ScytheBlade1 | somewhat! |
| 18:38.15 | Ginji | ScytheBlade1: So, because your always able to kill someone we shouldn't even bother in making it safer? |
| 18:38.17 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:38.35 | Lopeppeppy | "safer" is subjective, that's the entire discussion here. |
| 18:38.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: sadly, very little. thus the need for harsher regulation and punishment |
| 18:38.43 | ScytheBlade1 | removing guns would not make anyone anywhere dafer |
| 18:38.46 | ScytheBlade1 | *safer |
| 18:38.48 | NightHawkTheSane | you're only going to get escalation of power if you dont |
| 18:38.51 | Shirik | How are you going to regulate and punish that? |
| 18:38.54 | cbreak | sure it would ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:38.58 | cbreak | but it's hard to pull off |
| 18:39.05 | Shirik | Please tell me how you intend to stop him from getting a machine gun |
| 18:39.07 | ScytheBlade1 | not really |
| 18:39.15 | Shirik | If you can solve that problem, I will personally fund everything we need to get you to be president |
| 18:39.33 | cbreak | I think trying to remove guns would be met with unhappyness of the previous gun owners |
| 18:39.53 | Lunessa | People always argue to remove the other guy's freedom in the name of their own "safety" - how about we just lock up everyone who doesn't like guns for their "safety"? The argument is just as insane as saying people who want a gun shouldn't be able to have one. *shrug* |
| 18:40.11 | Ginji | But why do you need a gun? |
| 18:40.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I do not own a gun |
| 18:40.24 | Shirik | To protect ourselves from the people that will have guns anyway, whether or not you're allowed to have them |
| 18:40.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Likely never will |
| 18:40.29 | Shirik | And for the record, I do not own a gun |
| 18:40.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: you're being dense, and baiting by encouraging deregulation of lawful activity because criminal activity exist, it's non-sequitur and an invalid arguemtn. |
| 18:40.35 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm done with that line of discussion |
| 18:40.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep em' around. |
| 18:40.47 | Shirik | No it's not a non-sequitor, NightHawkTheSane |
| 18:40.52 | NightHawkTheSane | yes it is |
| 18:41.01 | NightHawkTheSane | you can't say "don't regulate guns" because criminals exist |
| 18:41.06 | NightHawkTheSane | its absurd |
| 18:41.16 | Shirik | You can't say "add laws to prevent criminals from getting guns" |
| 18:41.17 | Shirik | it's absurd |
| 18:41.32 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not, you're being dense |
| 18:41.43 | cbreak | as absurd as "let's make laws so terrorists can't fly anymore" |
| 18:41.44 | Shirik | (13:37:58) (NightHawkTheSane) Shirik: sadly, very little. thus the need for harsher regulation and punishment |
| 18:41.45 | Shirik | ? |
| 18:42.01 | Shirik | That was in direct response to when I asked you what was stopping him from getting a machine gun |
| 18:42.11 | NightHawkTheSane | I've been talking entirely about legally acquiring licenced firearms. |
| 18:42.21 | NightHawkTheSane | not criminal activity |
| 18:42.23 | Lunessa | No, the whole point to owning a gun (considerations of personal protection aside) is that an armed population == citizenry. An unarmed one is subject(s) or the subject of those with guns. |
| 18:42.26 | Shirik | Seriously, how does that matter in any manner at all |
| 18:42.44 | Shirik | You can't go around saying "Oh look we let this guy kill 50 people" and then say "Oh I was talking about he killed them with a legal firearm" |
| 18:42.48 | NightHawkTheSane | because you, as you so repeatedly point out, cannot legislate criminal activity |
| 18:42.58 | Shirik | exactly |
| 18:43.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: I EXPLICITY SAID FULLY LICENSED |
| 18:43.03 | NightHawkTheSane | try reading |
| 18:43.14 | Shirik | But what does that matter in any manner at all |
| 18:43.17 | Shirik | it doesn't |
| 18:43.27 | NightHawkTheSane | O-0 |
| 18:43.50 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, okay. i'm done here before i start thinking you're ACTUALLY as dumb as you're trying to be. |
| 18:43.50 | Ginji | Well, In my eyes it's all a remnant of an older time |
| 18:43.53 | NightHawkTheSane | later. |
| 18:44.04 | Shirik | If you can't have a simple debate then you probably should stop discussing it |
| 18:44.10 | Shirik | I agree |
| 18:44.11 | Grum | Lunessa: being able to own a gun a right <-- that is the whole problem |
| 18:44.23 | NightHawkTheSane | you're making a point of misrepresenting and misreading everything i'm saying |
| 18:44.26 | Lunessa | Grum: No, it's not. |
| 18:44.27 | cbreak | I wonder what would happen if someone carried a katana in NYC |
| 18:44.35 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: they'd get arrested |
| 18:44.44 | cbreak | that sounds disapointing |
| 18:44.46 | Grum | Lunessa: it is, it is the cause for the insane amount of guns |
| 18:44.50 | Thunder_Child | blades over ~3 in is prohibited |
| 18:44.52 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: No, I'm taking your house of cards and showing them from their side, where they're weak, instead of the front, where you claim they're strong |
| 18:44.54 | Ginji | katana > gun |
| 18:44.58 | Lunessa | cbreak: Most states limit the length of a blade you can carry. |
| 18:45.13 | cbreak | probably the lenght of a firearm too... |
| 18:45.16 | Ginji | They should limit the range of a weapon |
| 18:45.21 | cbreak | yeah :) |
| 18:45.22 | Grum | hehe that would be fun :P |
| 18:45.29 | Grum | 10meters max :p |
| 18:45.32 | Shirik | The state says my weapon is too long ;) |
| 18:45.36 | Ginji | Twice the length of your arms |
| 18:45.43 | cbreak | unfair |
| 18:45.45 | NightHawkTheSane | calibur, imo |
| 18:45.55 | NightHawkTheSane | bb-guns only :P |
| 18:45.56 | cbreak | (but sounds american, measuring stuff in body part lengths :) |
| 18:45.56 | Thunder_Child | again you just hurt the people that follow the law, not those that break it |
| 18:46.20 | Ginji | We can fix that by upping the police on the streets |
| 18:46.26 | Lunessa | Shirik: If you refer to it as a weapon, I don't think many people will let you use it on them. |
| 18:46.32 | cbreak | Ginji: expensive |
| 18:46.33 | Shirik | Ginji: So you want me to pay millions of dollars instead of a couple hundred |
| 18:46.35 | Shirik | thanks |
| 18:46.39 | cbreak | and it's probably hard to find qualified people |
| 18:46.44 | Ginji | So it boils down to money |
| 18:46.44 | Shirik | When my taxes go up I'll ask for reimbursement from you |
| 18:47.07 | Lunessa | Ginji: You can't constantly police everyone. There will never be enough police for a 1:1 ratio. |
| 18:47.12 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:47.16 | Shirik | man-to-man coverage of police |
| 18:47.26 | Lunessa | And then who watches the watchmen? Hrm? |
| 18:47.29 | Ginji | You'd rather be on your toes and able somewhat to protect yourself then live in relative safety |
| 18:47.35 | NightHawkTheSane | We should make it a requirement to own a gun that you get shot with it yearly. |
| 18:47.35 | Thunder_Child | there was a comedian that got it right, make the guns like printers, make the guns cheap and make each bullter cost hundreds |
| 18:47.36 | Lunessa | So now you need 1:1:1 |
| 18:47.38 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 18:47.49 | ScytheBlade1 | buhaha @ relative safety |
| 18:47.57 | *** join/#wowuidev stuf (i=stuf@paha.arkkitehti.e21.fi) |
| 18:48.10 | cbreak | do you guys have gun-user licenses? |
| 18:48.13 | cbreak | with tests and so on? |
| 18:48.15 | ScytheBlade1 | there are a million and one ways to kill someone |
| 18:48.17 | cbreak | like drivers licenses? |
| 18:48.18 | Ginji | At least I'm being honest, I can protect you, nor will your gun, from the idiot that's driving drunk |
| 18:48.19 | ScytheBlade1 | guns, are one |
| 18:48.19 | Shirik | do I? no |
| 18:48.28 | ScytheBlade1 | that I aGree with |
| 18:48.32 | ScytheBlade1 | *agree |
| 18:48.33 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: there are licenses, but no real tests. |
| 18:48.34 | Lunessa | Cars kill more people every year. Hell, I'd bet, though I don't have the numbers, that drug ODs kill more people in the US than gun violence. |
| 18:48.40 | Ginji | s/can/can't/ |
| 18:48.42 | Shirik | I'm not sure how much of a test you need for a gun |
| 18:48.52 | Shirik | I shot one when I was in 6th grade... |
| 18:48.52 | Ginji | an IQ test? |
| 18:48.57 | Ginji | a Stress test? |
| 18:49.03 | Lunessa | cbreak: Each state has their own laws for gun permits. |
| 18:49.19 | Shirik | Ginji: I will turn that back to Lunessa's argument |
| 18:49.22 | Ginji | But I'm done |
| 18:49.24 | Shirik | if you need those for guns, why not for cars? |
| 18:49.32 | NightHawkTheSane | i propose a simple test for owning a gun license: every gun you want to be able to use, you must be shot with. in the chest. |
| 18:49.38 | Ginji | Shirik: I'm all for it |
| 18:49.58 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: So basically... Kill everyone who wants a gun? |
| 18:50.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: not necessarily |
| 18:50.16 | Shirik | no Lunessa |
| 18:50.19 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, there's plenty of weaker guns that wont kill you |
| 18:50.20 | Shirik | just all the people that legally want one |
| 18:50.35 | Ginji | Bean Bag shotgun! |
| 18:50.50 | NightHawkTheSane | small price to pay for the glory of being able to murder someone |
| 18:50.55 | Lopeppeppy | "weaker guns" |
| 18:50.55 | Lunessa | That is a flaw in most regulation. How to catch those who refuse to follow it. |
| 18:51.01 | Lopeppeppy | You guys crack me up. |
| 18:51.20 | cbreak | question is: |
| 18:51.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: on a relative scale of coures ;) |
| 18:51.29 | Ginji | But I'm done with this discussion, it's never going to end |
| 18:51.32 | cbreak | do people die to guns mostly because the one who used the gun wanted it to be like that |
| 18:51.41 | cbreak | or do they die because he was an incompetent morron? |
| 18:51.56 | Shirik | I would like to argue the first implies the second |
| 18:51.56 | Lopeppeppy | Everyone dies of heart failure. |
| 18:51.58 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: a little of both |
| 18:52.05 | cbreak | (like that guy who shot his wife by asuming she was an evil thief, or that kid shooting his sister because of god knows why) |
| 18:52.17 | Grum | they die because someone really moronic wrote a long time ago about some right to bear arms :P |
| 18:52.33 | cbreak | Arm Bears! Stop the pelt related murder! |
| 18:52.35 | Thunder_Child | i think it should be manditory for all addons to be char specific |
| 18:52.36 | Shirik | Grum: Did you really just say that? |
| 18:52.36 | Ginji | No, at that time it was perfectly sensible |
| 18:52.41 | Shirik | Try getting a history lesson and then come back |
| 18:52.44 | Ginji | Just not anymore |
| 18:52.49 | Grum | Shirik: without that there wouldnt be a gun in that house |
| 18:52.52 | Shirik | I SUCK at history and I get it. |
| 18:52.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Grum: thats not fair, it was a very reasonable ammendment at the time |
| 18:53.03 | cbreak | Thunder_Child: why? |
| 18:53.06 | Grum | yes lol ... at the time >< |
| 18:53.13 | Grum | countries evolve .. well .. some |
| 18:53.15 | Shirik | Then don't call them "someone really moronic" |
| 18:53.15 | NightHawkTheSane | there was a very important need for the citizenry to be able to form an armed militia and defend the state |
| 18:53.23 | Lunessa | Tragedy can happen under any circumstance. I feel bad for the man defending his home, wife, and liberty who tragically shot his bride-to-be. But... It wasn't wrong of him to own or use a firearm. |
| 18:53.31 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: Actually, that wasn't the only reason it was made |
| 18:53.32 | Thunder_Child | cbreak, because i hate it when i enable some option of one addon on one char it shows up on all chars |
| 18:53.42 | Shirik | There was a secondary reason, tied to that of forced quartering |
| 18:53.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: that was the main reason, because there was no real well formed army. |
| 18:53.49 | cbreak | some addons have profiles |
| 18:53.49 | Lunessa | Grum: US citizen, or do you live elsewhere? |
| 18:53.59 | cbreak | they could not do that if they would be forced to be char specific |
| 18:54.04 | Grum | elsewhere obviously, wouldnt want to live in the us tbh :( |
| 18:54.17 | Lunessa | Good. We don't want you anyway. :P |
| 18:54.25 | NightHawkTheSane | i want you grum. :) |
| 18:54.34 | NightHawkTheSane | but i'm a tree hugging hippy |
| 18:54.53 | Lunessa | Nah, We're shipping you out NHTS. With a financial incentive. No gun will be used. |
| 18:54.57 | Thunder_Child | cbreak, why would char specific kill profiles? |
| 18:55.09 | Ginji | There's just one question remaining, would you still support the right if it was no longer necessary? |
| 18:55.10 | cbreak | because profiles are readable and writeable from all chars |
| 18:55.16 | Grum | parts of the us are just .. better to be avoided :P |
| 18:55.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: dude, the thought of moving outside the us has occured to me more than once |
| 18:55.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: mostly its just finding a job thats a pita. >< |
| 18:55.36 | Thunder_Child | cbreak, cant you jusr put the profiles in the global SV and the rest in the specific? |
| 18:55.40 | Grum | NightHawkTheSane: i thought it was finding healthcare |
| 18:55.42 | cbreak | if addons only had char specific saved variables, they could not know what any other char has as setting |
| 18:55.42 | Thunder_Child | just* |
| 18:56.01 | cbreak | Thunder_Child: yes, that's what they do. but if addons were FORCED to char specificness |
| 18:56.11 | cbreak | that would not work anymore |
| 18:56.38 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: My parents applied to emigrate to Australia when I was 11. I arranged to stay in the US if they got accepted. I *like* being a US Citizen. But the benefits of ex-pat living don't escape my notice either. |
| 18:57.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: to be fair, despite my grumbling, I don't actually hate it here. If i did, i WOULD leave. i grumble because i want it to be better :) |
| 18:57.18 | Thunder_Child | cbreak, i see what you mean....though the fact that i have to create a profile for every char for most addons is rather iritating |
| 18:57.26 | Shirik | It would be really cool to live in Australia |
| 18:57.34 | Shirik | would get so much photography in |
| 18:57.36 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: A position I support, even if I dispute your concept of "better" |
| 18:57.39 | Shirik | Florida doesn't have that much available |
| 18:57.43 | cbreak | Thunder_Child: I only use one char mainly, so I haven't had any problem with that :) |
| 18:57.53 | Shirik | not where I am, at least |
| 18:57.59 | NightHawkTheSane | is well aware he's not exactly centrist. ;) |
| 18:58.02 | cbreak | Shirik: from what I heard, australia sucks |
| 18:58.09 | cbreak | draconic internet laws, slow pipe |
| 18:58.14 | Shirik | well |
| 18:58.22 | Shirik | comes from being the only continent that's an island and a country |
| 18:58.24 | Shirik | all at once |
| 18:58.32 | Grum | move to europe! shitty weather sadly :D |
| 18:58.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Grum: no worse than seattle's i'm sure |
| 18:58.45 | NightHawkTheSane | :) |
| 18:58.47 | Shirik | You know I've always wondered about that |
| 18:58.50 | Shirik | why does it always rain in London |
| 18:59.01 | cbreak | actually it doesn't |
| 18:59.14 | Lunessa | cbreak: When I was 11, the public couldn't use the internet. |
| 18:59.14 | cbreak | it can't be foggy and rainy at the same time |
| 18:59.31 | NightHawkTheSane | quite likely similar weather patterns to why the pacific nw gets rain |
| 18:59.31 | Shirik | Lunessa: When I was 11, I was playing StarCraft on the internet. |
| 18:59.50 | Lunessa | Shirik: I'm a lot older than you boy-o |
| 18:59.53 | Shirik | :P |
| 18:59.57 | Shirik | wtf boy-o |
| 19:00.00 | Shirik | I figured it out |
| 19:00.02 | Shirik | only Lopeppeppy says that |
| 19:00.05 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy == Lunessa!! |
| 19:00.26 | Lunessa | We share a brain. |
| 19:00.38 | Shirik | they're both always complaining about how old they are |
| 19:00.44 | Shirik | they both say boyo |
| 19:00.46 | Shirik | they both work at a school |
| 19:00.48 | Shirik | it all makes sense |
| 19:00.52 | Lopeppeppy | It's saturday. |
| 19:00.57 | Lopeppeppy | *gasp* |
| 19:01.00 | Shirik | it's saturday for both of them!! |
| 19:01.01 | Shirik | wtf |
| 19:01.08 | Lopeppeppy | He has figured me out, I must disappear in a puff of smoke! |
| 19:01.10 | Lopeppeppy | and stuff. |
| 19:01.14 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 19:01.20 | NightHawkTheSane | can we keep you and have Lunessa disappear in a puff of smoke? |
| 19:01.21 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 19:01.22 | cbreak | it's denying the truth. |
| 19:01.25 | Shirik | ahahaha |
| 19:01.31 | Shirik | poor Lunessa :( |
| 19:01.37 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, no offense Lunessa. :) |
| 19:01.49 | Lunessa | I make an impact. I can't be offended by that. |
| 19:02.00 | Lopeppeppy | the boobies win over my alter ego. *sniffle* |
| 19:02.00 | Lunessa | shoots NightHawkTheSane with his legal gun. :P |
| 19:02.06 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 19:02.28 | cbreak | is a state certified pacifist |
| 19:02.46 | Lopeppeppy | is a pathologically certified statist. |
| 19:03.06 | cbreak | normal people have to serve 300 days in military :/ |
| 19:03.12 | Shirik | is a certified Shirik |
| 19:03.32 | Grum | would just be nice if we could just stop with wars etc :P |
| 19:03.46 | Lunessa | cbreak: you a Swede? |
| 19:03.54 | cbreak | swiss |
| 19:03.55 | Shirik | I was also diagnosed as someone clinically depressed, too, but I think the doctor was a nutcase |
| 19:04.31 | Lopeppeppy | clinical depression is a very... easy diagnosis to make. Most of us are cd at least once every 3 months. |
| 19:04.37 | Lopeppeppy | Students much more often. |
| 19:04.40 | Lopeppeppy | huggles shirik |
| 19:04.48 | Lunessa | cbreak: See, I'm not for mandatory military service, though I encourage people to serve. I just think it should be voluntary. |
| 19:04.59 | NightHawkTheSane | clinical depression is modern society trying to medicate away social & emotional problems |
| 19:05.05 | cbreak | it's only mandatory for males. |
| 19:05.07 | NightHawkTheSane | it's a red herring of a disease. |
| 19:05.17 | Shirik | tbh it was a real problem |
| 19:05.27 | Shirik | that was my diagnosis 1 month before I was correctly diagnosed with hyperthyroidism |
| 19:05.28 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes, NHTS. Sometimes, as Shirik says, it's a real problem. |
| 19:05.36 | Shirik | It just wasn't a correct diagnosis :) |
| 19:05.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: no, the real problem is usually something else. |
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| 19:05.57 | Lunessa | cbreak: *nod* sexism at it's finest! (I kid, I kid) |
| 19:06.09 | Lopeppeppy | some thyroid malfunction is this week's top bet for the Peppy-syndrome, Shirik. :| |
| 19:06.26 | Shirik | more like the lack of sleep |
| 19:06.31 | Shirik | You know what |
| 19:06.37 | Shirik | you and Cairenn both need to go to sleep |
| 19:06.37 | Shirik | now |
| 19:06.38 | NightHawkTheSane | anyway |
| 19:06.45 | Cairenn | nope |
| 19:06.52 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm off to the bank to deposit my paycheck and figure out how to get other people to pay for my ER bills |
| 19:06.52 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I slept for 10 hours last night! No need-um nappies! |
| 19:07.12 | Lopeppeppy | Ooof, NHTS. Good luck on that front. |
| 19:07.22 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. >< the joys of being uninsured |
| 19:07.50 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 19:07.53 | Fisker | you wouldn't watch a movie |
| 19:08.01 | Lopeppeppy | For very once, yesterday I walked into the doctor and told her what I wanted and she said okay and scheduled me the follow up and that was that. No arguments, no "let's wait and see", no "I don't think this is correct", just "yes, you've done your research, let's do this" |
| 19:08.15 | Lunessa | Shirik: You left off "with me" from your statement. |
| 19:08.21 | Lopeppeppy | I'm still looking for the pod person portal on the back of her neck. |
| 19:08.29 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa! *poke* |
| 19:08.52 | Shirik | Lunessa: These are the kinds of reasons I wish I could be some third gender that was "guy but not evil like 99% of guys" |
| 19:08.59 | cbreak | what did you want? Race Change? Name Change? Total Character Recustomisation? |
| 19:09.10 | Lopeppeppy | Recustomization. |
| 19:09.26 | Shirik | they need sleep :/ It is not in my interests to exploit this to profit |
| 19:09.41 | Lunessa | Shirik: Man up. Be Barney Stinson. |
| 19:10.09 | Lopeppeppy | You know, Shirik, the best sleeps are puppy-cuddle-with-someone sleeps. Just sayin'. Cuddles are usually not exploit-a-tative. You should learn the difference between the species. |
| 19:10.32 | Lopeppeppy | I just woke up my cat and made her snuggle me. She cleaned my nose and stalked off. Ungrateful feline. |
| 19:10.49 | Lunessa | afk - nuking soup |
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| 19:22.07 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIqEWRt8sBo |
| 19:24.18 | Shirik | Lunessa: I refuse |
| 19:24.19 | Shirik | afk shower |
| 19:24.40 | Shirik | I leave you with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnr5nNf_eh8&feature=player_embedded |
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| 19:26.04 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, your taste in music needs work |
| 19:26.11 | Thunder_Child | and your repeditiveness |
| 19:26.57 | Shirik | how about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLMLCvRBAA0 ? |
| 19:29.07 | Shirik | I really wish american singers could sing like this today |
| 19:29.28 | Shirik | seems that everyone either can't sing or is shunned off the radio |
| 19:30.20 | Lopeppeppy | Music isn't what it used to be. |
| 19:30.54 | Thunder_Child | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q72h7Nu-3UI |
| 19:31.13 | Lopeppeppy | " 'cause I'm leaving on a jet plane..." |
| 19:34.40 | Lunessa | The great and wonderful thing is that you no longer need radio to tell you about great new music. We can haz internertz. |
| 19:35.30 | ccox | yes, the intertubes tell me all about the latest teen sensations |
| 19:36.06 | ccox | For real music, I still listen to the radio (sometimes over the internet :-) |
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| 19:39.26 | Lunessa | Actually, I find commercial radio pretty disappointing for exposure to new music. |
| 19:40.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: that's what college radio is for ;) |
| 19:40.44 | Lunessa | I mostly listen to talk radio anymore. I'm getting old. |
| 19:41.03 | Thunder_Child | getting? :p |
| 19:41.07 | Lunessa | For music, I check out the interwebz or I see what's on listening stations at Tower or something. |
| 19:41.15 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Thpppth. |
| 19:41.25 | NightHawkTheSane | i listen to talk radio sometimes (via the internet usually), but more often than not it just makes me angry |
| 19:41.30 | NightHawkTheSane | for ACTUAL radio, college stations usually cant be beat |
| 19:42.20 | NightHawkTheSane | typically not corporate controlled and run by students who tend to be pretty on top of good/local/indie bands |
| 19:42.42 | Shirik | even local bands are pretty bad imo |
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| 19:43.02 | NightHawkTheSane | they're no better or worse than any other band |
| 19:43.12 | Shirik | disagree |
| 19:43.19 | Shirik | they're not better or worse than what you find on the radio, sure |
| 19:43.20 | NightHawkTheSane | but they're often smaller, less publicized, so you're unlikely to hear about them normally |
| 19:43.44 | Aelobin | have they announced anything on the new voa boss yet? |
| 19:44.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: there's no real way to objectively talk about quality between bands, so yes, local bands are no better, and no worse, than any other band ever. |
| 19:44.38 | Shirik | yes there is |
| 19:44.43 | Shirik | There exists the Shirik scale |
| 19:44.48 | Shirik | which is a de-facto standard |
| 19:45.00 | NightHawkTheSane | only in your tiny little self centered world. :) |
| 19:45.10 | Lopeppeppy | Which is the only world that counts for him. |
| 19:45.15 | Thunder_Child | would you two get a room alredy |
| 19:45.54 | Lunessa | I have a few friends who are tapped into all sorts of music - they have similar tastes. They usually turn me on to new stuff. But college radio here in Houston isn't so good. |
| 19:46.16 | NightHawkTheSane | that's a shame. >< |
| 19:46.40 | Lopeppeppy | Who needs a room, when I can annoy you right here? |
| 19:46.44 | NightHawkTheSane | back in rochester the local college stations were pretty awesome, and out here they're good too, but this is seattle, so meh |
| 19:46.45 | Lunessa | The University I work for has three stations. Mostly they're NPR and Classical. |
| 19:47.04 | ccox | that 's why there's internet radio - so anyone can listen to little 60 watt stations all over the world |
| 19:47.29 | Lopeppeppy | LunessaL Vanessa Mae. :) |
| 19:47.56 | ccox | local college station is playing bluegrass right now, try the station from MIT, or T A&M, or the college up the peninsula, or .... |
| 19:48.28 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: indeed. :) |
| 19:49.05 | Lunessa | Oh, and I have ripped most of my CD collection into iTunes, so hitting "random" usually plays something I can tolerate. :) |
| 19:49.33 | cbreak | there are a few quite nice radio streams in iTunes' selection |
| 19:49.47 | Fisker | Shirik my man |
| 19:50.01 | Lunessa | cbreak that too |
| 19:54.42 | Fisker | itunes is the cancer killing the internet |
| 19:54.55 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, that's Britney Spears |
| 19:56.07 | Lunessa | Fisker is the cancer killing the internet. |
| 19:56.20 | Lunessa | ~Fisker -- |
| 19:56.33 | Lunessa | Oops. Extra space. |
| 19:56.38 | Lunessa | ~Fisker-- |
| 19:57.14 | Fisker | naw! |
| 20:04.15 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 20:04.32 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 20:05.02 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 20:05.07 | Shirik | you wouldn't ping me |
| 20:05.35 | Fisker | i would |
| 20:05.52 | Shirik | no you wouldn't |
| 20:05.56 | Lopeppeppy | FML gives one an entirely different outlook on life |
| 20:06.11 | Fisker | yes i would |
| 20:06.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: indeed. |
| 20:06.50 | Shirik | FML is? |
| 20:07.13 | batrick | harro shirik |
| 20:07.19 | Shirik | batrick |
| 20:07.21 | Shirik | we need to talk |
| 20:07.22 | Shirik | but not now |
| 20:07.25 | batrick | wat |
| 20:07.30 | batrick | uh ok |
| 20:07.49 | Fisker | It's a site for fake stories to lulz at |
| 20:08.02 | Lunessa | Interesting reading: http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/11/hackers-prove-global-warming-is-scam.html |
| 20:08.34 | Lopeppeppy | www.fmylife.com, Shirik |
| 20:08.40 | Lunessa | Note: You can't really judge just from the article, but the reading is interesting nonetheless. |
| 20:08.41 | Fisker | i disagree Lunessa |
| 20:08.49 | Lopeppeppy | They tell you how much their lives suck, and you can say yours is okay by comparison. |
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| 20:10.39 | Fisker | well Lopeppeppy just turn on the tv and switch to the news channel |
| 20:11.18 | Lopeppeppy | I don't have a tv, Fisker. :) |
| 20:12.23 | Fisker | well the internet has news too |
| 20:12.55 | Lopeppeppy | I know. I read it. |
| 20:15.35 | Thunder_Child | i dont, 9 times out of 10 it's bad news |
| 20:20.28 | Fisker | i read the news hoping you're in them Thunder_Child |
| 20:20.40 | Fisker | >:3 |
| 20:20.42 | Thunder_Child | i am Fisker |
| 20:20.54 | Thunder_Child | behind the scenes, for i am THE MAN |
| 20:21.03 | Lunessa | huggles Lopeppeppy. |
| 20:21.12 | Fisker | <:3 |
| 20:21.21 | Jamash | the man with the power? |
| 20:21.32 | industrial | Fisker: KITTAY HASAHAT!!! |
| 20:21.45 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
| 20:21.55 | industrial | HATKITTY iZ KEWT |
| 20:22.06 | industrial | (and I am stoned.) |
| 20:22.22 | Thunder_Child | no kidding |
| 20:25.09 | Fisker | i have a gun |
| 20:26.14 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, if this cold doesn't go away, will you come and put me out of my misery before Monday? |
| 20:26.20 | Lopeppeppy | My head echoes. It's not pretty |
| 20:26.30 | Lunessa | I'm not sure I can drive that fast. |
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| 20:27.04 | industrial | Fisker: but its flacid? |
| 20:27.35 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, but if you could, you would? Why do sinus things hurt so much? |
| 20:27.56 | Lunessa | "Today I realized why my 50 year old Dad's 30 something girlfriend looked so familiar. She is in all my parents wedding photos... as the flower girl. FML" |
| 20:28.08 | Lopeppeppy | Ya. |
| 20:28.19 | Fisker | it's real industrial |
| 20:28.50 | Lopeppeppy | Reminds me I need to reclaim the wedding photo albums from my mother in law and get them disposed of. |
| 20:30.04 | industrial | Fisker: thats not what your mom said |
| 20:30.10 | industrial | hurr |
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| 20:52.00 | Cide | you guys talk too much |
| 20:52.07 | Cide | I'm gone for a few hours and it's like 500 lines |
| 20:52.29 | Lunessa | too bad none of it is useful code. |
| 20:52.37 | Thunder_Child | or useful at all |
| 20:52.50 | cbreak | for code there's pastebin :) |
| 20:53.32 | NightHawkTheSane | new rule, all conversation must be in the form of pastebin'd code? |
| 20:53.58 | Lopeppeppy | Your rule sucks. :P |
| 20:54.17 | NightHawkTheSane | :( |
| 20:54.35 | NightHawkTheSane | my bank sucks too |
| 20:54.49 | NightHawkTheSane | why cant they provide me with scanned copies of my deposited checks? :( |
| 20:56.27 | cbreak | who uses checks anyway? |
| 20:57.06 | Torhal | A configuratino UI. |
| 20:57.17 | Torhal | s/configuratino/configuration/ |
| 20:58.11 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: lots of people.. companies too small to bother setting up direct deposit, landlords.. etc.. |
| 21:03.15 | zenzelezz | why would landlords bother with checks? |
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| 21:07.18 | NightHawkTheSane | as in receiving them |
| 21:07.27 | NightHawkTheSane | for, say, rent |
| 21:08.34 | zenzelezz | why'd they prefer checks over normal (manual) transactions? |
| 21:09.25 | NightHawkTheSane | er, eh? |
| 21:10.05 | NightHawkTheSane | checks are generally a fairly easy way to pay bills to someone without having a lot of supporting framework for accepting payments. |
| 21:10.14 | zenzelezz | supporting framework? |
| 21:10.26 | zenzelezz | either your banks suck, or things are just very different over there |
| 21:10.32 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: My apartment complex only takes checks, money orders or their (new) direct debit system. It pisses me off that I can't pay electronically without giving them access to my checking account. |
| 21:10.57 | Lopeppeppy | Same with my complex. Either check or money order, they don't do direct debit at all. |
| 21:10.57 | zenzelezz | here person A and B both have bank accounts, person A then just asks the bank to transfer X amount to B's account; either online, or by visiting the bank |
| 21:11.16 | zenzelezz | nothing special needed to do it |
| 21:11.17 | Lopeppeppy | I think landlords like to know their tenants are alive and somewhat realish. |
| 21:11.50 | zenzelezz | here the renters put a 3-month deposit in a special account which will fall to the landlord if the renter fails to pay |
| 21:11.50 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: that still means the tenant has to know about the landlord's account |
| 21:12.00 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: and that's bad? |
| 21:12.05 | NightHawkTheSane | not bad, just extra work |
| 21:12.17 | NightHawkTheSane | with a check, i dont need to know anything, really |
| 21:12.51 | NightHawkTheSane | the original point was that a lot of people still use checks. |
| 21:13.08 | zenzelezz | I wasn't taking part in the original discussion, I was asking a side question |
| 21:14.39 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* |
| 21:15.08 | NightHawkTheSane | but they're kind of related, checks are a very easy/painless way to make transactions. |
| 21:15.22 | NightHawkTheSane | especially because they've been around for so long, so everyone knows exactly how they work |
| 21:16.16 | zenzelezz | I tend to believe people don't know that |
| 21:16.25 | zenzelezz | at least given how many jokes you Americans have about balancing checkbooks |
| 21:16.48 | zenzelezz | I'm glad they died out before my generation here |
| 21:17.15 | NightHawkTheSane | those jokes are mostly relics of days when the only real record of your income & expenses WAS your checkbook or other records you kept |
| 21:28.41 | Shirik | Cide |
| 21:28.45 | Shirik | I can talk more if you would like |
| 21:28.48 | Shirik | I know I don't talk enough |
| 21:29.08 | zenzelezz | if he wanted a talker, he'd find a girl |
| 21:29.12 | zenzelezz | hides |
| 21:29.39 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy ^ |
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| 21:30.29 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:30.30 | Fisker | slaps zenzelezz around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:33.25 | Lopeppeppy | I don't talk much. :) |
| 21:33.45 | Shirik | I expected you to yell at him tbh |
| 21:33.47 | Lopeppeppy | Mostly because I'm too busy doing murder to those who would oppress or offend me. *blink blink innocent* |
| 21:34.06 | Lopeppeppy | Why yell when a threat will suffice? |
| 21:37.08 | Torhal | stuffs Fisker into a vat of limburger cheese. |
| 21:37.26 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm.. cheese |
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| 21:40.55 | Cide | zenzelezz: my girlfriend is a huge talker :P |
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| 22:09.12 | Lunessa | WoW ennui has set in. |
| 22:10.12 | Legorol | whoah, that was massive, just did complete U10 hardmode run, awesome |
| 22:10.20 | Legorol | got my first ever fast drake, woot |
| 22:10.33 | Legorol | most of the hardmodes i have not done before ^^ |
| 22:11.56 | Lunessa | I'm feeling stuck in the never-ending morass of "almost but never quite" enough people do do anything of significance. |
| 22:12.16 | Duman | lunessa sounds like my problem |
| 22:12.34 | Duman | altho I've been leveling alts as of late... it just gets boring to do dragonblight for the 7th time |
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| 22:13.58 | Lunessa | My raid group finally had to throw their hands up and start grouping with another raid group just to even have enough for 25 man anything. When I'm #2 on DPS, #3 on Dispells and #2 on interrupts on ToC-25 - and I'm the #10 ranked in gear - it makes Baby Murloc Jesus cry. |
| 22:14.26 | Duman | sounds like there is a lot of apathy in others, then, too |
| 22:14.33 | Lunessa | I feel like all the time I've spent getting good at playing a shaman has been, essentially - wasted. |
| 22:14.49 | Lunessa | Well, not true. I had fun. |
| 22:14.56 | Duman | it is a game, after all |
| 22:15.28 | Lunessa | I just feel like I'm always at the back of the herd, and I /never/ get to finish anything before its obsoleted by new content. |
| 22:15.57 | zenzelezz | I used to feel like that |
| 22:16.20 | zenzelezz | got to join a high-end guild that was on top of things, but their attitude made me burn out instead |
| 22:16.28 | cbreak | I find myself unable to find enough to even kill Yogg in 25, but at least we finished ToTC |
| 22:16.39 | Lunessa | Meh, I'm just bitching. |
| 22:16.55 | Lunessa | In like, 2 weeks I'll be all interested and excited again. |
| 22:17.29 | Lunessa | cbreak: I've never been to Yogg. I've cleared all the keepers - but never done anything past them. |
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| 22:18.20 | Lunessa | I used to be really interested in helping people in UI&M too, but I can't work myself up to give a shit anymore. |
| 22:19.03 | Ruck | Part of the reason i stopped playing also |
| 22:19.14 | Ruck | that, and I have way too much free time than WoW could fill :( |
| 22:21.30 | Lunessa | There's a reason I'm the first to volunteer for overtime shifts at work. |
| 22:21.40 | jpmorgan | cash? |
| 22:21.52 | stuf | wow? |
| 22:22.09 | Lunessa | jpmorgan: I wish. I get felx time. Which I bank in large quantites. |
| 22:22.47 | jpmorgan | heh i got a check for over 10k in back pay when my .com employer folded |
| 22:23.38 | cbreak | I did yogg in 10 (once) |
| 22:23.46 | cbreak | and we almost managed yogg in 10 with only one keeper |
| 22:23.53 | cbreak | but the 10 man people in my guild are a bit elitistic :( |
| 22:24.08 | cbreak | also did ToTC10 with 45 tries left |
| 22:24.08 | Lunessa | jpmorgan: Nice. I have something like 88 or more hours banked for this year alone. Despite being off more than 4 weeks this year. |
| 22:24.19 | cbreak | cause quite some trouble by being elitistic though |
| 22:24.29 | jpmorgan | to the earlier comment about not seeing yogg, theres a blog called greedygoblin where the author dismisses all "social, non-progression oriented guilds" as time wastes. perhaps choosing a guild that shares your goals would help |
| 22:25.01 | stuf | greedygoblin is a bit of a troll |
| 22:25.06 | stuf | (ha, pun) |
| 22:25.14 | jpmorgan | yahb hes fun |
| 22:25.59 | jpmorgan | i followed his advice tho, and now im in a guild thats getting it done. much more satisfying |
| 22:26.35 | cbreak | I prefer to be in a guild where we like each other and can still have real life |
| 22:26.41 | cbreak | even though I got a bit too much of that lately |
| 22:26.56 | stuf | i need to get my gf hooked on wow :( |
| 22:27.11 | jpmorgan | well i raid 3x /week more or less. i dont spend more time playing wow, but i see alot more content |
| 22:28.04 | jpmorgan | i guess the upshot is stay away from nonprogression guilds if you want progression |
| 22:36.44 | stuf | oh really now |
| 22:37.53 | jpmorgan | wiping on mimiron hardmode for a few hours is not for everyone, admittedly |
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| 22:40.01 | Adys | AAAAWAAHWHAHAWAAAAAHHH |
| 22:40.05 | Adys | FIREFOX IS HORRIBLE |
| 22:40.31 | zenzelezz | why's that? |
| 22:40.53 | Adys | because it fucking is |
| 22:41.05 | Adys | i have to install it to figure out how ubiquity works exactly |
| 22:41.09 | Adys | and omfg |
| 22:41.24 | Shirik | no shit Adys |
| 22:41.27 | Shirik | I told you this forever |
| 22:41.41 | Adys | its like wow |
| 22:41.42 | Shirik | and now I will go eat bye |
| 22:41.45 | Adys | i have to fucking stand |
| 22:41.48 | Thunder_Child | all that proves is that FF > you |
| 22:41.49 | Adys | a HUGE BAR |
| 22:41.59 | Adys | that takes HALF MY FUCKING SCREEN |
| 22:42.06 | zenzelezz | bar? |
| 22:42.06 | Adys | here have some tabs |
| 22:42.09 | Adys | oh and a huge url bar |
| 22:42.13 | Adys | oh and big buttons |
| 22:42.17 | Adys | oh and a fucking bookmark bar |
| 22:42.25 | Adys | oh and a retarded menu bar i never use |
| 22:42.31 | Thunder_Child | you can change/get rid of many of these |
| 22:42.31 | Adys | oh and HAVE A STATUS BAR TOO |
| 22:42.37 | Adys | fuck you I cant get rid of the menus |
| 22:42.53 | Adys | i mean i used to have a very trimmed down ff client |
| 22:42.55 | zenzelezz | you're forgetting that the default UI is aimed at novice/noob users |
| 22:42.57 | Adys | but i shouldnt have to do this |
| 22:43.02 | Thunder_Child | i think there is a plugin that does it |
| 22:43.04 | Adys | yeah so is chromium's and it works fine |
| 22:43.19 | Adys | also wtf is up with the status bar |
| 22:43.27 | Thunder_Child | exept for the lack of a good user base |
| 22:43.29 | zenzelezz | I don't like the Chrome/Chromium UI |
| 22:43.35 | Adys | wow the grass is only grey until you go back and see how retardedly black it is |
| 22:44.18 | Adys | also firefox doesnt understand the concept behind "full screen" |
| 22:44.35 | Adys | basically maybe someone will have to explain the moz guys |
| 22:44.42 | zenzelezz | how's that? If I hit F11. everything vanishes except the page |
| 22:44.42 | Adys | but full screen means "fill my screen with content" |
| 22:44.51 | Adys | i keep the url and tab bars here |
| 22:45.25 | Aelobin | doesnt if you keep your mouse away frmo the top :P |
| 22:45.32 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, stop bitching. Use it for what you need, and then delete it. |
| 22:45.42 | zenzelezz | I would have to agree with peppy |
| 22:45.52 | zenzelezz | it's fine to not like it, but you're over verbose |
| 22:45.59 | Adys | and I should be |
| 22:46.08 | zenzelezz | I disagree |
| 22:46.10 | Adys | the more and more I see how stupid design decisions can be made |
| 22:46.14 | Thunder_Child | you whine like a forum poster Adys |
| 22:46.22 | Adys | not only in firefox |
| 22:46.24 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 22:46.29 | zenzelezz | if you hate something so much; stop using it and roll your own |
| 22:46.45 | Adys | I'm not using it |
| 22:46.59 | Lopeppeppy | Then stop whining about it. |
| 22:47.12 | Adys | see I would |
| 22:47.37 | Adys | but I see people making bad decisions over and over just because they think "it must be good because its in <someapp>" |
| 22:48.34 | Thunder_Child | we are not telling you not to hat it, just to stop bitching |
| 22:48.34 | Thunder_Child | hate* |
| 22:48.37 | zenzelezz | so go write a well-spoken article about it and give it some proper publicity, instead of just bothering us about it |
| 22:48.51 | zenzelezz | then things might eventually improve; at least you'll have done your part |
| 22:49.15 | Adys | i wont bother #chromium because they already do an astounding design job |
| 22:49.22 | Adys | i wont bother #firefox because they wont fix their shit |
| 22:49.29 | zenzelezz | so you bother us instead? |
| 22:49.35 | Aelobin | and you won't bother #wowuidev because noone cares :P |
| 22:49.36 | Adys | because this is a room full of devs? |
| 22:49.59 | Adys | and devs are basically the first people to make interfaces very often, and to very often make interfaces that suck |
| 22:50.43 | Shadowed | If by very often |
| 22:50.44 | Shadowed | you |
| 22:50.44 | zenzelezz | so what makes you think the people here would know better? |
| 22:50.45 | Shadowed | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:50.49 | Shadowed | you mean nearly every time :p |
| 22:50.55 | Shadowed | Ugh, stupid colloquy |
| 22:51.38 | Adys | eh zenzelezz? |
| 22:51.47 | Shadowed | haha |
| 22:52.12 | zenzelezz | Adys: if developers are so horrible at interfaces, what makes you thing the developers in this channel are any better? Ie. why would they agree with you? |
| 22:52.12 | Adys | no I'm just hoping to remind some people that firefox's interface sucks and they shouldn't copy it in their addon |
| 22:52.25 | Adys | I didnt say they were any better |
| 22:52.32 | Adys | otherwise I wouldn't whine in this channel as per point #1 |
| 22:52.52 | Shadowed | 99% of addon interfaces are terrible :< |
| 22:52.53 | zenzelezz | I'm just trying to understand why this channel was a better target than either of the two other you mentioned |
| 22:53.01 | Lopeppeppy | If there's an addon that remotely resembles Firefox, I'm sure your comments have been heard. |
| 22:53.13 | Adys | there has to be, cmon |
| 22:53.50 | Lopeppeppy | So go find that author and annoy them personally. No one else is interested in hearing you rip apart a web browser as a lousy analogy to an addon. |
| 22:54.05 | Adys | Lopeppeppy: this isn't about "resembling firefox" |
| 22:54.11 | Adys | its in general about cluttering content |
| 22:54.31 | Adys | which I think hits pretty much 80% of addons at least |
| 22:54.34 | Lopeppeppy | Sure it is. |
| 22:55.22 | Adys | yeha youll be amazed what many people don't actually focus the content of their addon.. in the addon |
| 22:55.27 | Adys | in general, programs, whatever |
| 22:55.51 | Adys | and god knows websites too |
| 22:56.37 | Adys | shirik |
| 22:56.44 | Shirik | Adys |
| 22:56.58 | Adys | I'm making an ubiquity "client" for chrome |
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| 22:57.21 | Adys | technically its just gonna be compatible with ubiquity.. I'm making it local |
| 22:58.07 | Adys | so imagine I add a googlecode command set |
| 22:58.25 | Adys | find test failure |
| 22:58.27 | Adys | go 1234 |
| 22:58.41 | Adys | confirm, star |
| 22:59.42 | Shirik | wtf is ubiquity |
| 22:59.52 | Adys | its some bash for ff or something |
| 23:00.10 | Shirik | why |
| 23:00.10 | Adys | http://mozillalabs.com/blog/2008/08/introducing-ubiquity/ |
| 23:00.12 | Adys | check the vid |
| 23:00.15 | Shirik | whyyyy |
| 23:00.16 | Shirik | no |
| 23:00.19 | Shirik | I refuse to go to that site |
| 23:00.22 | Shirik | it says "mozilla" in it |
| 23:00.29 | Adys | I know but its a pretty good idea |
| 23:00.30 | Adys | and |
| 23:00.34 | Adys | I didn't get it from the |
| 23:00.35 | Adys | them |
| 23:00.42 | Seerah | "An experiment into connecting the Web with language." |
| 23:00.48 | Adys | whatever skip the pr |
| 23:01.11 | Adys | just watch the vid its quite good, but not exactly what i want to do |
| 23:04.40 | Shirik | Adys |
| 23:05.37 | Adys | yes |
| 23:06.04 | Aelobin | ooh 5th anniversary achievement :D |
| 23:06.21 | Aelobin | do US get that before or after EU? due to timezones |
| 23:06.29 | haste | you get it in eu now |
| 23:06.37 | Adys | ah dammit |
| 23:07.02 | theorbtwo | What, right now? |
| 23:07.25 | haste | yes, right now |
| 23:07.35 | Aelobin | but are the US ahead in time or behind? :P |
| 23:07.45 | Adys | behind |
| 23:08.45 | Lopeppeppy | I thought the anniversary was Monday. So is it tomorrow instead? |
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| 23:10.37 | theorbtwo | Thanks! I haven't logged in for a few days. |
| 23:11.26 | zenzelezz | "The file 'WoW.exe' could not be found. If the problem persists, you may be able to solve it by uninstalling and then reinstalling the game." -- guess WoW's not quite so self-contained as it I thought (assuming the launcher/patcher is looking for registry entries) |
| 23:11.37 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not sure I can get my wonky internets to let me... but I'll try. |
| 23:11.47 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, it should have been, on all but Vista... |
| 23:11.56 | zenzelezz | well, I'm on 7 |
| 23:12.09 | ccox | you mean Vista.1 ? |
| 23:12.26 | theorbtwo | zenzelezz: Yeah, the patcher needs registry entries. It's really quite annoying. |
| 23:12.33 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. Dunno how 7 handles it, zenzelezz. |
| 23:12.48 | Gnarfoz | weird, I thought US release was 2004-11-23 00:00:00 GMT -8 |
| 23:12.50 | theorbtwo | Use procmon from sysinternals to find them. |
| 23:13.16 | Shirik | Gnarfoz ... ? |
| 23:13.36 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: <+Lopeppeppy> I thought the anniversary was Monday. So is it tomorrow instead? |
| 23:13.50 | ScytheBlade1 | lol http://www.questionablecontent.net/random/winfail.png |
| 23:13.55 | Lopeppeppy | I have it down as the 23rd as well... I swear I got that from the Blizz calendar. |
| 23:14.10 | Seerah | zenzelezz: I had that issue on 7 also. I had to right-click the link for WoW (reg. install) and run as administrator) |
| 23:14.22 | theorbtwo | Oh, it's a feats-of-strength achievement. |
| 23:14.29 | Gnarfoz | of course :) |
| 23:14.49 | Gnarfoz | Lopeppeppy: I got that out of LifePercent, for which I investigated all other zone's release dates, too, weir |
| 23:14.53 | Gnarfoz | *weird |
| 23:16.02 | Shirik | rofl ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:16.13 | ScytheBlade1 | If I may |
| 23:16.17 | ScytheBlade1 | "win" |
| 23:16.31 | Shirik | epic |
| 23:16.53 | theorbtwo | Aww, and a very cute little pet. |
| 23:18.27 | Shirik | pets theorbtwo |
| 23:18.51 | Vlakarados | damn that questionablecontent.net makes my day |
| 23:18.56 | theorbtwo | No, not me! |
| 23:19.18 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone want to take bets whether I can make a wow install actually work? |
| 23:19.45 | theorbtwo | bets Lopeppeppy can. |
| 23:19.46 | Vlakarados | reading them for two days from the beggining, awesome |
| 23:20.03 | Lopeppeppy | I might have to wipe and re-install. I was planning that for all-day tomorrow. *sigh* |
| 23:21.45 | theorbtwo | Yes, QC rocks pretty hard much of the time. |
| 23:22.21 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy is full of win |
| 23:22.24 | Shirik | she can do anything |
| 23:23.37 | Cide | what's up with the "vista.1" crap regarding win7? |
| 23:24.05 | Cide | are people expecting HUGE updates for every os release microsoft does simply because it took way too long between xp and vista? |
| 23:24.13 | ccox | well, it is the first major bug fix release for Vista |
| 23:24.24 | Cide | vista's had several service packs |
| 23:24.30 | Cide | go bitch at apple |
| 23:24.33 | ccox | "major bug fix release" |
| 23:24.39 | Cide | "oh hi here's time machine, have a new os" |
| 23:24.46 | ZorbaTHut | cide, the difference is that apple doesn't claim them as being major new versions |
| 23:24.47 | Lopeppeppy | Well, it runs on the laptop, but the graphics are fuxxored. |
| 23:24.54 | Lopeppeppy | It is not anniversary day in the US yet. :) |
| 23:25.04 | Cide | ZorbaTHut: only they have different names and you still have to buy them |
| 23:25.06 | ZorbaTHut | apple's not up to OS 15 or anything |
| 23:25.11 | ZorbaTHut | sure, but the content of the name is important |
| 23:25.18 | ZorbaTHut | apple is making it clear that it's incremental versions. |
| 23:25.30 | ZorbaTHut | ms is marketing win7 as an entire brand-new awesome OS with no ties to Vista. |
| 23:25.41 | ccox | And Apple backslides on stability with every major release... |
| 23:25.42 | Cide | to the end user it is brand new |
| 23:25.52 | ZorbaTHut | no, to the end user it's still "os x" |
| 23:25.58 | Cide | the desktop interface is more or less redone |
| 23:26.01 | ZorbaTHut | it's just "os x" with a prettier ui and a larger 10.x value |
| 23:26.05 | Cide | I'm taling win7/vista |
| 23:26.14 | Cide | what's the difference though? |
| 23:26.19 | ZorbaTHut | ah, in that case it's because it's *not* all redone. The underpinnings are largely identical. |
| 23:26.26 | Cide | nobody complained between 98 and millenium |
| 23:26.34 | ccox | like hell they didn't |
| 23:26.38 | Cide | well ME sucked |
| 23:26.41 | Cide | but that's another story |
| 23:26.42 | ScytheBlade1 | because on one used ME |
| 23:26.45 | NightHawkTheSane | wait |
| 23:26.46 | ccox | 98 and ME were just facelifts on 95 |
| 23:26.47 | ZorbaTHut | there wasn't a noticable contrasting OS then |
| 23:26.57 | NightHawkTheSane | what does osx and windows marketing really hve to do with each other? |
| 23:26.59 | ZorbaTHut | and also, it wasn't going from "crap" to "good" |
| 23:27.04 | ccox | and pretty much everyone complained |
| 23:27.20 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, cide wants to know why people are making "vista.1" jokes, and saying that apple is just as bad |
| 23:27.25 | ccox | (and ME was less stable than @#$%@#%$@ 98) |
| 23:27.33 | Cide | which is true |
| 23:27.40 | Cide | (in reality, neither is bad) |
| 23:27.47 | NightHawkTheSane | its all just marketing, really |
| 23:27.50 | ZorbaTHut | my position is that apple is not doing anything at all similar, and that, if you understand where the jokes are coming from, they're pretty reasonable and understandable |
| 23:27.58 | NightHawkTheSane | the os's are what they are. |
| 23:28.10 | ccox | my position is that Apple is doing similar, just with better marketing (and more koolade) |
| 23:28.16 | NightHawkTheSane | each company has different development & release policies |
| 23:28.24 | Aelobin | i miss the wrath opening event :< zombies were fun |
| 23:28.42 | Cide | ZorbaTHut: they're not reasonable and understandable |
| 23:28.47 | Shirik | (18:25:56) (+Cide) well ME sucked |
| 23:28.51 | ZorbaTHut | aelobin, I knew some people who quit because they hated it so much |
| 23:28.52 | Shirik | You mean "I" sucked, |
| 23:28.52 | Cide | saying windows 7 is a service pack of vista is fucking stupid |
| 23:28.54 | ZorbaTHut | oh nooooo, zombies |
| 23:28.56 | Shirik | please check your grammar |
| 23:29.00 | Cide | Shirik: oh, sorry :( |
| 23:29.00 | ZorbaTHut | how can i sit in town and flame people on /2 |
| 23:29.13 | ZorbaTHut | my gameplay experience is ruined and i am going to sue blizzard for infinite megadollars |
| 23:29.16 | Aelobin | lol well tbh they probably needed to quit then :P |
| 23:29.18 | Aelobin | taking it that seriously |
| 23:29.32 | Shirik | they're doing the zombie thing again? |
| 23:29.40 | Aelobin | nah, but i wish they were |
| 23:29.43 | NightHawkTheSane | no |
| 23:29.44 | Shirik | oh |
| 23:30.01 | Cide | windows 7 has several huge advantages over vista and given the difference in reception they're getting I doubt people/reviewers/etc agree that it's just a "service pack" or minor release or what have you |
| 23:30.02 | ccox | Cide - the more you know about it, the more 7 looks like a Vista service pack |
| 23:30.13 | Cide | ccox: nope |
| 23:30.30 | Cide | people are just thinking every os update will be like xp->vista in changelog size |
| 23:30.43 | Shirik | 98 was a service pack for 95 |
| 23:30.50 | Shirik | and ME was an un-service pack for 98 |
| 23:30.55 | Shirik | disservice? |
| 23:31.02 | ZorbaTHut | it's an incremental update, not a revolutionary update. it is not the same kind of thing as the 98->xp switchover, or the xp->vista switchover. |
| 23:31.04 | ccox | no, but they do expect that large bugs will be fixed, and significant changes will be made - not just small bug fixes and new chrome |
| 23:31.09 | ZorbaTHut | it's being marketed as just as major as xp->vista. |
| 23:31.14 | ZorbaTHut | that's where the disconnect and complaints come in. |
| 23:31.15 | Cide | Shirik: you mean "I" was a disservice for 98 |
| 23:31.24 | Shirik | Sorry Cide >< |
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| 23:31.45 | cbreak | windows 7 seems too expensive for a service pack |
| 23:31.45 | Seerah | hehe: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/11/20/see-the-future-get-the-magic-cheezburger/ |
| 23:31.46 | Cide | ZorbaTHut: it *is* a major release |
| 23:31.54 | Cide | so it should be marketed that way |
| 23:32.15 | Thunder_Child | but it isnt major, even ms said something along thoes lines i think |
| 23:32.22 | Corrodias | 6.1 vs 6.0 |
| 23:32.38 | ccox | Seerah - nice |
| 23:32.41 | Corrodias | a bit expensive, especially considering how many computers are under $600 these days |
| 23:33.07 | Cide | it should be less expensive to vista owners, I'd agree with that |
| 23:33.11 | Cide | I don't know if it is or not |
| 23:33.13 | ZorbaTHut | cide, no, it's not as major of a shift as the xp->vista shift was |
| 23:33.31 | Cide | ZorbaTHut: no, but that shift is not a good reference measurement is what I'm saying |
| 23:33.35 | ZorbaTHut | or as major as the os9->os10 shift was. |
| 23:33.38 | Cide | nor should it be |
| 23:33.39 | Vlakarados | Seerah didn't get it( |
| 23:33.41 | ZorbaTHut | it's the only possible reference measurement, IMHO |
| 23:33.46 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, we have a bunch of yardsticks |
| 23:33.51 | ZorbaTHut | we have xp, we have vista, we have osx |
| 23:33.55 | ZorbaTHut | compared to those, win7 doesn't match up |
| 23:33.56 | Cide | it's not the only reference measurement |
| 23:34.04 | ZorbaTHut | then we have osx.1, osx.2, osx.3, osx.4, osx.5, osx.6 |
| 23:34.10 | ZorbaTHut | and win98 |
| 23:34.14 | ZorbaTHut | and compared to those, it *does* match up. |
| 23:34.31 | Cide | yep |
| 23:34.34 | ZorbaTHut | I don't see what other possible references you could use, unless your claim is "microsoft should be using a different more marketable measuring stick for win7 because (insert magic here)" |
| 23:34.50 | Cide | /shrug |
| 23:35.08 | Seerah | o-m-g: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1890437?chzcamp=ch&chzpost=211988 |
| 23:35.09 | Cide | if you wanted them to name it "Windows Snow Vista" that's fine |
| 23:35.17 | ccox | "because vista was a mess and they needed more revenue, so they put some lipstick on Vista..." |
| 23:35.27 | ccox | Cide - nah, it's not that unstable |
| 23:35.33 | ZorbaTHut | if they were calling it Vista 2 or Windows Overlook or Windows Scenery or Windows Heylookthere'sacowinthatfieldeveryonelookatthecow then I think people wouldn't be griping as much. |
| 23:35.44 | ZorbaTHut | (I would totally buy a copy of Windows Heylookthere'sacowinthatfieldeveryonelookatthecow) |
| 23:35.45 | Cide | who cares what they *call* it |
| 23:35.52 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:35.53 | Shirik | Snow Vista |
| 23:36.00 | cbreak | marketing cares. |
| 23:36.03 | Cide | I don't |
| 23:36.04 | ZorbaTHut | cide, well, considering that it's the *entire subject of this debate* :P |
| 23:36.07 | Corrodias | i'm annoyed that their seventh major release is merely an upgrade of the sixth one |
| 23:36.07 | Seerah | Vlakarados: I didn't get what? |
| 23:36.08 | cbreak | not enough to give it a good name though |
| 23:36.14 | Cide | ZorbaTHut: ya, I suppose yo're right :P |
| 23:36.16 | ccox | <-- NEED: http://www.lolmart.com/winfailstamp1.html |
| 23:36.16 | Cide | you're |
| 23:36.21 | Cide | anyway |
| 23:36.37 | ZorbaTHut | it's a marketing point, and it's a hint towards the users as to what they expect. and, in the latter case, it's (likely intentionally) misleading. |
| 23:36.42 | Shirik | Corrodias: Seventh major release? |
| 23:36.45 | Shirik | It's definitely not |
| 23:37.04 | Shirik | the version numbers are no meaningful representation of release count |
| 23:37.10 | Cide | anyway, afk |
| 23:37.28 | Shirik | and going home baibai |
| 23:37.31 | Corrodias | Shirik: that's the reason they gave |
| 23:37.33 | Corrodias | don't ask me. |
| 23:37.36 | Thunder_Child | it's the 6th |
| 23:37.38 | Corrodias | the reason for naming it "7" |
| 23:37.42 | Thunder_Child | unless you count ME |
| 23:37.48 | cbreak | lucky number? |
| 23:37.48 | Corrodias | or rather, that's the reason i heard someone say was the reason they gave |
| 23:37.55 | ZorbaTHut | the real reason for naming it 7 is that it's very marketable |
| 23:38.03 | Shirik | Unless their argument is "1, 2, 3, 95, 98, XP, Vista, 7" But there's so much skipped there it's BS |
| 23:38.10 | Shirik | What about NT, 3.11, ME |
| 23:38.11 | ZorbaTHut | 7 is a psychologically attractive number, at least to the western hemisphere. |
| 23:38.12 | A-KO | 7 is version 6.1 ; Vista is 6.0 :P |
| 23:38.13 | cbreak | calling it windows sex would have been more marketable. |
| 23:38.17 | cbreak | six |
| 23:38.22 | Shirik | Surely I'm missing more |
| 23:38.24 | Shirik | Windows 3.2 |
| 23:38.27 | Corrodias | and even then, shirik, vista was the seventh there |
| 23:38.28 | Vlakarados | Seerah cheezburger link you gave |
| 23:38.31 | Shirik | though it's arguable 3.2 wasn't a major release |
| 23:38.34 | ZorbaTHut | there's a reason Apple used 7 for a major high-quality release also (although they had alliteration on their side too) |
| 23:38.40 | Shirik | oops, counted wrong Corrodias :) |
| 23:38.47 | foxlit | 3.1 -> 3.11, imo |
| 23:38.50 | Seerah | Vlakarados: I didn't get the link I gave?... |
| 23:38.53 | ccox | XP was NT version 5 |
| 23:39.01 | Shirik | I never got to play with Windows 3.2 |
| 23:39.03 | Shirik | such BS |
| 23:39.04 | ccox | Vista is still NT version 5 (if you ask it) |
| 23:39.06 | Shirik | they're racist |
| 23:39.11 | A-KO | uhm |
| 23:39.13 | A-KO | Vista is 6 |
| 23:39.20 | ccox | But someone in marketing thought Vista should be 6, so they called the new release "7" |
| 23:39.33 | Corrodias | 2000 and XP are 5 and 5.1 respectively |
| 23:39.33 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, vista's 6.0 |
| 23:39.33 | A-KO | how is vista still "nt5"? |
| 23:39.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Jamash (n=Jamash@dhcp-dtc-130-212-57-212.sfsu.edu) |
| 23:39.43 | ccox | Last I checked, the kernel still said 5 |
| 23:39.44 | Corrodias | and 2003 is 5.2 |
| 23:39.47 | A-KO | negative |
| 23:39.50 | A-KO | Vista's kernel says 6 :) |
| 23:39.55 | ccox | ok, my mistake |
| 23:40.01 | ccox | then marketing got it right |
| 23:40.02 | Corrodias | oddly enough, 2008 is merely 6.0 like vista |
| 23:40.11 | Corrodias | but 2008 "r2" is probably 6.1 like seven |
| 23:40.11 | A-KO | eh |
| 23:40.11 | Shirik | 2008 IS Vista |
| 23:40.16 | A-KO | yeah |
| 23:40.17 | Shirik | 2008 R2 is 6.1 |
| 23:40.19 | A-KO | server 2008 and Vista = same thing |
| 23:40.23 | A-KO | and R2 + 7 = same thing |
| 23:40.30 | Vlakarados | Seerah I didn't get the humour :) |
| 23:40.31 | A-KO | minus some obvious application and tweaking differences |
| 23:40.33 | Corrodias | yes yes, i know. i used 2008 on this computer for quite a while. |
| 23:40.51 | A-KO | I used Vista :P |
| 23:41.04 | Seerah | Vlakarados: oh YOU don't get it! It's a cross between a Magic 8 Ball and lolcats/lolspeak |
| 23:41.04 | Shirik | Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7600] |
| 23:41.07 | Shirik | That's 2008 R2 |
| 23:41.40 | Shirik | ok time to go home |
| 23:41.41 | Shirik | baibai |
| 23:41.43 | A-KO | later |
| 23:41.54 | Vlakarados | Seerah thanks for the sxplanation) |
| 23:42.04 | Jamash | sexplanation? |
| 23:43.07 | Cide | explanation through sexual intercourse |
| 23:43.20 | Cide | common way of education |
| 23:43.24 | Corrodias | i feel violated |
| 23:44.53 | Fisker | i cannot be stopped |
| 23:44.55 | Fisker | not even by Shirik|AFK |
| 23:44.57 | Fisker | or Cide |
| 23:45.10 | Jamash | http://xkcd.com/463/ |
| 23:47.36 | Thunder_Child | stops Fisker |
| 23:47.51 | Wobin | tekkub, http://deezteez.com/funny-t-shirts/437/bear-deer-beer-t-shirt.html?SSAID=333739 |
| 23:48.59 | ccox | http://xkcd.com/664/ |
| 23:50.19 | Thunder_Child | <touched by a dwarf> |
| 23:52.12 | Aelobin | http://xkcd.com/657/large/ that hurts my head |
| 23:53.01 | Jamash | which part |
| 23:53.41 | Aelobin | the scale of it :P |
| 23:54.05 | Jamash | he sure put a lot of work into the other movies just to make a joke about Primer |
| 23:54.20 | Adys | Shirik|AFK: http://dpaste.com/123481/ |
| 23:55.21 | Wobin | hehe |
| 23:55.23 | Wobin | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=1309053&id=1240538369 |
| 23:55.27 | Wobin | (not sure if it's public) |
| 23:55.59 | Lopeppeppy | Not public |
| 23:57.08 | Aelobin | haha http://xkcd.com/655/ never seen that one before :P |
| 23:57.27 | Shirik | stops Fisker |
| 23:58.27 | Shirik | Fisker, what are yougoing to do now |
| 23:58.47 | Shirik | Wobin |
| 23:58.55 | Shirik | I don't know if that's really bad handwriting or I just don't know what it is |
| 23:59.10 | Shirik | but what is a Hoiuos |
