| 00:00.23 | cog|work | calls PETA on Ancu |
| 00:00.36 | Shirik | I go take a nap now |
| 00:00.48 | Fisker | i'm gonna fuck you Ancu |
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| 00:00.51 | Ginji | Your cat isn't named Sir Noggin by any chance Lopeppeppy |
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| 00:00.51 | Dagmar | So... why are we not allowed to kill and eat users who can't read, exactly? |
| 00:00.51 | Ginji | at least I think it was noggin |
| 00:00.54 | cog|work | ok, mr caffeine is bad |
| 00:01.07 | cog|work | you have your little "nap" |
| 00:01.11 | Ginji | Dagmar: ? |
| 00:01.11 | Shirik | Dagmar: The same reason we don't have wings |
| 00:01.14 | Shirik | because humans suck |
| 00:01.16 | Ancu | cog|work: People eating tastey animals? |
| 00:01.19 | Ancu | fisker: how so? |
| 00:01.39 | Shirik | Fisker: I'm gonna Fisker you Fisker |
| 00:01.39 | Dagmar | Sorry, just kvetching because there's someone in another channel trying to get help with their myth install, and they're clearly severely mentally retarded, although undiagnosed. |
| 00:01.49 | Dagmar | Right now, I'd like to kill them. |
| 00:02.00 | Dagmar | They're doing the "clam up about things which don't make sense" trick |
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| 00:02.13 | Ginji | There's no excuse for stupidity! There's a cure though! |
| 00:02.13 | cog|work | Dagmar: make sure he's not reproduced yet before wasting the energy imo |
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| 00:02.59 | Dagmar | You know how, when you mention "Well, that can't happen unless the computer is unplugged" and you get complete silence back and you expect that a rational person would you know, maybe say something about NOT HAVING FOUND A POWER CORD IN THE BOX |
| 00:03.06 | Dagmar | That sort of stupid. |
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| 00:03.19 | Dagmar | Deep, reverberating, jaw-dropping levels of dumb. |
| 00:03.49 | Torhal | Dagmar: At this point, say "I already think you're a fucking retard, and I'm still willing to help you, so stop with the cute tricks." |
| 00:03.54 | Fisker | i need to sleep |
| 00:03.58 | Torhal | Or just shoot the person. |
| 00:04.02 | cog|work | Fisker: WEEEEEAAAKKKK |
| 00:04.08 | Dagmar | I put them in the ignore list if I think they're too stupid to talk to |
| 00:04.18 | Dagmar | Those sorts of people need _paid_ support |
| 00:05.08 | cog|work | lol... heading in one of chromium os' design docs: "Rendering pwned devices useless" |
| 00:05.18 | cog|work | http://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/dev/chromium-os/chromiumos-design-docs/security-overview |
| 00:05.19 | Dagmar | Their machine is supposedly a "new, clean fresh install" which somehow had not only binaries from the previous release installed, but the database in a state expected by the previous release |
| 00:05.48 | Ginji | http://notalwaysright.com/gotta-love-them-diy-puters/526 |
| 00:05.53 | Ginji | http://notalwaysright.com/wireless-clueless-and-hopeless/1950 |
| 00:07.13 | cog|work | ahh the arrogance of ignorance |
| 00:07.26 | Fisker | i'm killing you cog|work |
| 00:08.08 | cog|work | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 |
| 00:08.40 | Fisker | i can't hear you over your screams cog|work |
| 00:08.43 | Ginji | hah! javascript disabled! |
| 00:09.19 | Ginji | off for one last smoke and then bed |
| 00:09.42 | cog|work | Fisker: no that's your mom |
| 00:10.38 | Fisker | you wound me |
| 00:10.49 | cog|work | no, that's your mom too |
| 00:11.00 | Fisker | :o |
| 00:12.14 | Lunessa | I LOVE people who call me for help and then tell me "I already did all that" when obviously they haven't. |
| 00:12.26 | Lopeppeppy | Impatient jerks. |
| 00:12.28 | Fisker | indeed |
| 00:12.31 | Lopeppeppy | Do it again, with the tech. |
| 00:12.33 | Lopeppeppy | That's why you called them. |
| 00:12.38 | Fisker | the funny part is trapping them so you can prove that they didn't |
| 00:12.38 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 00:13.12 | Lopeppeppy | Tech tells you what to do. Is what techs DO. |
| 00:14.22 | cog|work | "A kid was wearing a helmet on the flight. I thought it was cuz of disease til his dad picked him up & hit his head on the overhead bin." |
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| 00:16.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: the flip side of that is that its very frustrating when i DO know what im doing, DID go through a set of steps, and say so, and stil get drug through it. >< |
| 00:16.32 | NightHawkTheSane | (granted, i do it, politely, because i'm not a tool) |
| 00:16.40 | Lopeppeppy | I know, NHTS. But the tech has to be sure, so you have to do it with them, and just suck it up. *hug* |
| 00:17.30 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I know that feeling too. I have to tell the guys at Comcast "yes, I already did ipconfig -renew" after rebooting the modem and the router" all the time. |
| 00:17.39 | cog|work | what about when you've already gone through all the steps with one tech, then you get cut off, have to spend 10 more minutes navigating the phone tree hoping to get the correct dept again, only to have to go through the entire process again with a new tech? |
| 00:18.27 | Lunessa | But when you tell me you've been hot-swapping PS/2 port items with the power on, and you can't get anything to work, don't bitch at me when I ask you to power down. |
| 00:19.18 | Lopeppeppy | cog|work, patience is always required, padawan. |
| 00:20.07 | Ginji | Aren't PS/2 ports pnp? |
| 00:20.11 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 00:20.15 | Lunessa | Ginji: WAY no. |
| 00:20.16 | Ginji | Really?! |
| 00:20.24 | Ginji | And I think I'm a geek |
| 00:20.31 | Lunessa | You can get away with it, but ... yeah, don't |
| 00:20.33 | Ginji | Though I never ever swapped them |
| 00:20.41 | Ginji | Only reconnected |
| 00:20.54 | ScytheBlade1 | You're not supposed to reconnect/swap DVI either |
| 00:21.01 | ScytheBlade1 | They actually throw some decent voltage over it |
| 00:21.01 | cog|work | ^ |
| 00:21.03 | Ginji | That works fine! |
| 00:21.26 | cog|work | i've locked my computer a few times accidentally pulling out dvi |
| 00:21.44 | cog|work | though haven't had the problem in cards of the last 2 years or so |
| 00:21.44 | Ginji | I've been replugging my monitor for ages |
| 00:21.47 | Ginji | never had any issues |
| 00:22.05 | Lunessa | You can. |
| 00:22.11 | cog|work | i'm sure it depends on too many variables for any of our stories to be representative |
| 00:22.15 | Lunessa | I've smoked a machine doing it. |
| 00:22.34 | Ginji | Was it grounded properly? |
| 00:22.39 | Funkeh` | someone help me out here, where did I read something about utf-8 support in patch 3.3 for string functions |
| 00:23.01 | Lunessa | Granted, this was in the early 90s so Ginji was probably a toddler... |
| 00:23.23 | Ancu | PS/2 ports are hot swapable, but not if no keyboard is pluged in to start with. |
| 00:23.24 | Ginji | I was 4ish! |
| 00:24.41 | cog|work | Ancu: correction: you have successfully hot-swapped ps/2 devices when the keyboard wasn't plugged in to start |
| 00:24.45 | Ginji | So I guess I'm just not as much of a geek as I thought I was |
| 00:25.16 | Ginji | Does that mean I can have a social life now? |
| 00:25.50 | Ancu | ginji: No |
| 00:25.52 | Lunessa | Denied. |
| 00:25.56 | Lunessa | You're in here. |
| 00:26.04 | Ginji | Oh, ok, I hate change anyway |
| 00:26.27 | Ancu | Cog: You have to have a device in the PS/2 port on boot or it doesnt work... |
| 00:26.28 | cog|work | imo this counts as a social life... I have pretty firm evidence that at least some of you are really people |
| 00:26.30 | Lopeppeppy | Social lives are for sissies. |
| 00:26.32 | cog|work | :P |
| 00:26.36 | Torhal | I worked at a local computer store in New Orleans in '97, and we told a customer "tough shit" when he brought in his machine for the 10th time (or somewhere around there) because he admitted that he hot-swapped his PS/2 mouse after we told him, each time, not to because it would eventually fry the connector on the board. |
| 00:26.41 | Lopeppeppy | No way, cogwheel, I'm a figment of your imagination. |
| 00:27.06 | Dagmar | He'd blown out ten motherboards and you let him get them replaced? |
| 00:27.14 | Dagmar | What kind of cheap korean shit were you putting in those machines? |
| 00:27.16 | cog|work | Ancu: my point is that you are making an invalid inferrence. just because it worked for you doesn't mean "it works" |
| 00:27.18 | Torhal | Somehow, though, it was all our fault and the guy had to be asked to leave after flip[ping out. |
| 00:27.35 | Lunessa | cog|work: I'm a pretty reasonable facsimile thereof. |
| 00:27.40 | Dagmar | Torhal: I've tossed guys out of my shop before for reasons like that |
| 00:27.44 | Torhal | Dagmar: No, he only blew one board, which we replaced, but kept telling him "DO NOT DO THIS" |
| 00:27.56 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, you are a figment of my imagination. |
| 00:28.03 | Dagmar | Torhal: I had a joker try and return a Pentium he'd been overclocking for the last month |
| 00:28.08 | Torhal | Heh |
| 00:28.13 | Lunessa | bites back a dirty joke. |
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| 00:28.28 | WobWork | Lunessa: what does it taste like? |
| 00:28.38 | Lunessa | Bitterness and skittles. |
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| 00:28.49 | Dagmar | He stood in the line and talked with his coworker about how they'd saved so much money by not buying the top of the line $800 model and instead overclocking this one (THIS ONE) to 800Mhz from 400Mhz |
| 00:28.56 | Ginji | pentiums are awesome, I had a P3 overclocked to 1ghz! It ran fine for ages, now though we had to turn the rate back down cause it kept making floating point errors :P |
| 00:29.20 | Dagmar | Like, overclock stuff if you want, but f**king don't expect a bench tech to do anything but laugh at you when you burn the damn things up |
| 00:30.09 | Dagmar | He gets to the counter and says "Oh no of course I would never overclock a chip" |
| 00:30.20 | Torhal | Tool. |
| 00:30.31 | Ginji | That's where he failed |
| 00:30.40 | Dagmar | These people are also generally stupid enough to believe that a CPU keeps a log of how fast it's been run at |
| 00:30.41 | Ginji | He should have said "Overclocking?" |
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| 00:30.52 | Lunessa | Those are the guys you slip a magnet onto the bottom of their HDD |
| 00:30.57 | WobWork | or "What's a chip?" |
| 00:31.07 | Dagmar | He should ahev known not to chuckle about it to his co-worker while waiting in line at the returns/service counter |
| 00:31.28 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Nah. Handful of metal shavings right inna case |
| 00:31.45 | Dagmar | You can stick magnets right to hard drives and nothing will happen |
| 00:31.47 | kd3 | anyone on alliance-side on brox that I can borrow for a minute or two? |
| 00:32.08 | Lunessa | Dagmar: used to blow those into drives, but the magnet was more fun. |
| 00:32.36 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I last did hardware service when RLE drives were king. |
| 00:32.42 | Dagmar | It won't do much of anything unless perhaps you wave it around near the breadboard while the thing's running |
| 00:32.46 | Dagmar | That might mess with the chisp |
| 00:32.48 | Dagmar | AHhhh |
| 00:32.56 | Dagmar | We're dealing with a lot less force nowadays |
| 00:33.14 | Dagmar | I have a refridgerator daisy inside my computer, stuck on the side of the hard drive. |
| 00:33.30 | Lunessa | Yes, I know. But I haven't done "bench" work for anything other than my own stuff in a long, long time. |
| 00:33.34 | Ginji | Why? |
| 00:33.46 | Dagmar | You have to get up WAY more force than a chintzy fridge magnet to affect disk platters now |
| 00:33.53 | Dagmar | Ginji: Because it's pretty |
| 00:33.57 | Ginji | Speaker magnets? |
| 00:34.13 | Dagmar | Two of my cases have their PC speaker mounted on the bottom of the HD cage |
| 00:34.33 | Ginji | The internal speaker? |
| 00:34.46 | Ginji | Those are pussies, I'm talking real proper speakers |
| 00:34.51 | Dagmar | Ginji: The thing I use here at work to degauss entire hard drives will perhaps remind you of an exuberant and perhaps exceedingly impatient ex girlfriend if you forget to take your belt off before turning it on |
| 00:35.35 | Ginji | Your GF has an off switch? |
| 00:35.55 | Lunessa | Aaaaaaaand on that note, I'm out of here. |
| 00:35.56 | Ginji | What brand? Realdoll? |
| 00:36.16 | Ginji | hehe |
| 00:36.44 | Dagmar | Heads are put FAR closer to the surface of the platter than they were in RLL/MFM days |
| 00:36.53 | Ginji | I shall do the same, bai-ni! |
| 00:37.03 | Dagmar | Magnetism follows that cool inverse square thing |
| 00:37.11 | Ginji | I don't even know what those acronyms mean |
| 00:37.29 | Dagmar | Ginji: Let's jsut say that hard drives used to have a lot more in common with magnetic tape than they do now |
| 00:37.38 | Ginji | Ah |
| 00:38.12 | Dagmar | The short of it is that you have to have a seriously robust magnetic field if you want to mess up data on a disk inside it's chassis |
| 00:38.34 | Ginji | What about affecting the heads? |
| 00:38.38 | Dagmar | The kind that will snatch sunglasses out of your pocket |
| 00:38.54 | Dagmar | Ginji: Once you degauss a platter, the heads don't matter. |
| 00:38.58 | Dagmar | The damn thing will never be usable again. |
| 00:39.04 | cbreak | If you want to destroy data on a hard drive, I think either using the disk mechanic itself or temperature are the surest ways. |
| 00:39.21 | Ginji | No, but would you need a smaller magnet to only affect the heads |
| 00:39.24 | Dagmar | For one thing, there's the second-stage loader for the drive stored on the disk, as well as the map of what sectors suck and what don't. |
| 00:39.25 | Dagmar | The latter part you can lose. |
| 00:39.38 | Dagmar | Blow away the second half of the firmware that's on the disk, and the drive isn't booting again |
| 00:39.43 | WobWork | what about those "panic doorframes" I hear about with hackers |
| 00:40.02 | Dagmar | WobWork: Only important in California 'cuz there's a lot of quakes. ;) |
| 00:40.12 | Ginji | cbreak: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQYPCPB1g3o |
| 00:40.17 | Lopeppeppy | If they take it through the doorframe, which is loaded with magnets/electrical something, it erases, WobWork? |
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| 00:40.24 | WobWork | yeah |
| 00:40.34 | WobWork | fact... or FICTION? |
| 00:40.49 | Lopeppeppy | Dunno, but it features prominently in Cryptonomicon. |
| 00:40.50 | Dagmar | Man if someone had those kinda magnets set up, it would not only be noticeable, your cell phone and pocket change would probably tear a hole through your pants when you walked near it |
| 00:41.02 | cbreak | what a waste |
| 00:41.06 | WobWork | Dagmar: well that's not a problem |
| 00:41.15 | Dagmar | No pants? Good for you! |
| 00:41.17 | WobWork | Dagmar: ps... pocket change? |
| 00:41.19 | cbreak | WobWork: Cryptonomicon is fiction. |
| 00:41.24 | Lopeppeppy | In the book, it had to be specifically turned on during time of crisis, so it wasn't on like that all the time. |
| 00:41.35 | WobWork | cbreak: uh, yes, I do know that =) |
| 00:41.35 | Lopeppeppy | Then someone set off an EMP nearby and it was a moot point. |
| 00:41.45 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: What I'm saying is that you wouldnt' wnat to walk through it unless you were prepared to go through an airport metal detector |
| 00:42.01 | WobWork | how much of your loose change is magnetic? |
| 00:42.05 | Dagmar | It's pretty fiction. |
| 00:42.06 | Ancu | So I take it the next WoW patch is releasing tuseday. |
| 00:42.11 | Dagmar | Utterly impractical in reaslity. |
| 00:42.14 | cbreak | I don't think an EMP is strong enough to wipe hard disks. They are after all in a faradei cage. |
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| 00:42.38 | Lopeppeppy | Ancu, not likely. |
| 00:42.45 | Dagmar | cbreak: If they were the ATX case would probably effect a "user wipe" solution against a nearby wall, too. ;) |
| 00:42.47 | Lopeppeppy | the background downloader can, and has, run for weeks before. |
| 00:42.58 | Ancu | Oh..... |
| 00:43.10 | Dagmar | Ancu: What you can almost kinda be sure of is that they know what state they want "the big files" in now |
| 00:43.22 | Dagmar | Remember the last mega-patch came down in I think three different parts |
| 00:43.27 | NightHawkTheSane | said it before, but i'd be SHOCKED to see 3.3 before december. |
| 00:43.32 | NightHawkTheSane | and very surprised to see it before january |
| 00:43.38 | Dagmar | One giant-ass one that was ready a month before, then a much smaller 130Mb or so one (IIRC) and then a dinky last minute piece |
| 00:43.47 | Ginji | So it's all just graphics/audio/video |
| 00:43.53 | NightHawkTheSane | very likely |
| 00:43.55 | Dagmar | Probably so |
| 00:44.08 | NightHawkTheSane | stuff that's probably been done for weeks, if not months already |
| 00:44.36 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: I think considering that they're now saying they're not releasing all four wings at once, and that there'll be considerably time before they even open the sescond one, that they're probably going for mid-December |
| 00:44.53 | Dagmar | They wanna capitalize on Christmas for new players and hardware upgrades |
| 00:45.05 | Ginji | I'm off to sleep |
| 00:45.10 | Ginji | oyasumi |
| 00:45.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: maybe. i'm skeptical that it'll be done by then, though. |
| 00:45.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i do hope i'm a bit surprised, however |
| 00:45.24 | kd3 | bah, fail |
| 00:45.24 | Dagmar | I'm sayin December 15th. |
| 00:45.37 | kd3 | the door blocking sword's rest doesn't open between phases 5 and 6 |
| 00:45.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: i dont think they're going to patch in the extra wings |
| 00:45.51 | kd3 | I get to "watch" the encounters from this side |
| 00:45.54 | NightHawkTheSane | so its not like they dont need to have it all finished first |
| 00:46.46 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Like it would hurt them to push content that isn't going to be enabled or debugged if it's disabled |
| 00:47.14 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, thank you for fixing my heat! |
| 00:47.30 | WobWork | Thank you for being a friend! |
| 00:47.31 | Dagmar | THey could ship all the unused areas with pink teddybears on the walls and the only people who would know would be the dataminers |
| 00:47.39 | NightHawkTheSane | well, what i mean is, i once 3.3 hits i dont think they're going to patch in the "rest" of icecrown later on in a 3.3.1 patch |
| 00:47.55 | NightHawkTheSane | they COULD yes, but i dont think they WILL |
| 00:48.01 | WobWork | Travelled down the oad and back again |
| 00:48.02 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: You *did* see that they've said they're only opening the one wing at first, right? |
| 00:48.07 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 00:48.12 | WobWork | Your heart is true you're a pal and confidant |
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| 00:48.27 | Dagmar | I doubt they'll be opening more wings without there being a 3.3.1 |
| 00:48.31 | NightHawkTheSane | but i'm guessing thats just a switch that gets flipped, not that they're just shipping the rest of the content later |
| 00:48.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: i guess we'll see, eh? :) |
| 00:49.19 | Dagmar | I'm saying I think they're leaving thesmelves open to the possibility that they *might* not have to patch vast chunks of data to open new wings |
| 00:49.25 | Dagmar | ...so they might as well ship what they've got now |
| 00:49.54 | Dagmar | Remember there were sections of Karazhan that just never even got used once |
| 00:50.35 | Dagmar | They didn't just throw all that work in there just to give peopel something to put videos on YouTube about |
| 00:50.36 | NightHawkTheSane | er, so? |
| 00:51.02 | Dagmar | At some point they had plans to use it, which were abandoned, but it would have been more work to remove them |
| 00:51.11 | NightHawkTheSane | right.. |
| 00:51.47 | Dagmar | I highly doubt they'll hold up releaseing 3.3 just so they can perfect three wings they won't be opening for months and months |
| 00:51.48 | NightHawkTheSane | how this relates to them patching in already announced content for icecrown post-3.3 is escaping me |
| 00:52.17 | Ancu | Damn I hate dialup |
| 00:52.20 | NightHawkTheSane | i doubt it will be "months and months" |
| 00:52.30 | Lopeppeppy | is slowly getting warmer... |
| 00:52.30 | NightHawkTheSane | from 3.3 release until the lich king is open |
| 00:52.36 | Dagmar | I can't see them opening the last wing until early summer |
| 00:52.57 | NightHawkTheSane | wait, are we talking about the same thing? |
| 00:53.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: I have an electric blanket! |
| 00:53.03 | Dagmar | Not with how they're saying they're going to stagger the wings being opened |
| 00:53.12 | Lopeppeppy | I have that, and heat now! |
| 00:53.16 | ScytheBlade1 | mmm heat |
| 00:53.25 | Lopeppeppy | Do not ask my about the idiot maneuver that removed it from my presence. |
| 00:53.30 | Dagmar | You're saying you don't think they'll patch in the rest of Icecrown after 3.3 |
| 00:53.34 | Dagmar | I'm saying I think they will. |
| 00:53.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Well now I HAVE to ask |
| 00:53.49 | NightHawkTheSane | we're both referring to the icecrown citadel raid instance, though, yes? |
| 00:54.25 | Dagmar | I'm also saying I think they'll ship out as much data as they suspect they _might_ use for 3.3, on the off chance that they'll have a smaller volume of changes to deal with later |
| 00:54.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: talk! |
| 00:54.46 | NightHawkTheSane | because i really don't think it'll be that long (early summer) until the final encounters of that instance are open |
| 00:55.05 | Lopeppeppy | &&^*%*^ idiots were working on the boilers today for a required safety upgrade. They "neglected" to turn my building back on. |
| 00:55.07 | Lopeppeppy | Neglected. |
| 00:55.09 | Lopeppeppy | Asshats. |
| 00:55.12 | Lopeppeppy | And that's me being nice. |
| 00:55.13 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:55.34 | NightHawkTheSane | gives Lopeppeppy some hot chocolate |
| 00:55.34 | Lopeppeppy | I swore a lot more the first time I said it, the f bomb was a prominent feature. |
| 00:55.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Well, that is why multiple shirts, several pairs of socks, and an electric blanket can help |
| 00:55.56 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: They were definitely making it sound like it would be a period of time _greater_ than a month between 3.3 and them opening that second wing |
| 00:56.14 | Lopeppeppy | They always do, Dagmar. they are always going to err on the side of caution. |
| 00:56.25 | Dagmar | If they kept that pace it could easily be late spring to early summer before the final fight is opened |
| 00:56.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: I didn't get that impression, but you could be right |
| 00:56.49 | Dagmar | Well, I mean they did _say_ it would be longer than a month. |
| 00:56.53 | Dagmar | Specifically. |
| 00:57.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Really? I must have missed that |
| 00:57.02 | Dagmar | This is what I was reading last night |
| 00:57.29 | Dagmar | Seeing the client start to download got me interested in guessing at stuff and seeing what the state of it was |
| 00:57.31 | NightHawkTheSane | got a link or something? |
| 00:57.37 | Dagmar | My guild gets lonely if I spend too much time on the PTR |
| 00:58.34 | NightHawkTheSane | re-reading the blurb on mmo-champ, the language their says "several weeks" from the first set of encounters to the next set. |
| 00:58.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i guess that could be interpreted as a monthish |
| 00:59.25 | Dagmar | There was other stuff, but I've no idea where hte hell I read it |
| 00:59.28 | Lopeppeppy | is that from MMO-champ, or a bliz quote? |
| 00:59.36 | Dagmar | Bluetext quoted on mmochamp |
| 00:59.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: so yeah, if they do plan on spacing each set of encounters a month+ apart, early-summer for the final set is reasonable, and in that case, I'll grant that they might patch some of it in later on. |
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| 01:00.20 | NightHawkTheSane | ALthough if thats the case, I'd push back my gusses for cata's laucnh to q3/q4 next year |
| 01:01.06 | NightHawkTheSane | In any case, I've got to get out of here and go home before I go crazy. |
| 01:01.14 | NightHawkTheSane | back in a few. :) |
| 01:02.58 | ZorbaTHut | I hadn't realized that, but you're right, the staggered raid unlocks could be a delaying tactic for cataclysm |
| 01:04.51 | Dagmar | Plus it buys them a lot more time to tweak and rebalance. |
| 01:04.54 | Dagmar | LOTS more time |
| 01:05.05 | Lopeppeppy | Yuppers. |
| 01:05.14 | Lopeppeppy | Play out the content to keep people happy while waiting for the expansion! |
| 01:05.58 | Dagmar | This way none of the little armchair jackasses out there can't make their snippy little posts criticizing the crap out of everything because encounter x that happens before encounter y is actually 5% harder than the encounter that comes after |
| 01:06.14 | Dagmar | ...while Blizz in rebalancing things on the fly like they did with Ulduar |
| 01:06.59 | theorbtwo | Hm, I hadn't considered the delayed content of 3.3 to be anything to do with Cataclysm, it just helps them get more ooooh out of users for their development buck. |
| 01:07.08 | theorbtwo | They've been doing that for some time, really. |
| 01:08.21 | Dagmar | It'll also mean no dipshit uberguilds will be able to whine that there's no "new" content because some uberguild they couldn't get the time of day from already cleared it |
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| 01:17.41 | Shishire | anyone know if there's a channel for Rawr? I can't find one |
| 01:18.08 | Dagmar | Have you tried #.NETcodemakesmehateliving ? |
| 01:18.32 | Dagmar | Or perhaps #.NETcodeshouldntbecommentedorpeoplemightlearnsomething |
| 01:18.41 | Shishire | lol |
| 01:18.47 | Shishire | ty anyways |
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| 01:24.58 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi8cUoGNvaU&feature=player_embedded |
| 01:25.05 | WobWork | someone tell me if the video is alright? |
| 01:25.12 | WobWork | I'm so fucking -sick- of my work connection =( |
| 01:25.23 | WobWork | I can't watch this without it stopping to cache every third second >< |
| 01:25.46 | WobWork | and then it takes a minute to give me the next 3 seconds |
| 01:25.51 | Kraps | http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-ct-duty18-2009nov18,0,5238209.story |
| 01:25.57 | WobWork | arrarararrr |
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| 01:41.00 | Sylvir | HaiThar |
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| 01:42.08 | Sylvir | fail. |
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| 02:13.47 | cog|away | shirik napping |
| 02:13.52 | cog|away | fail |
| 02:15.42 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, he was asleep when he fixed my heat though, so maybe he had to dreamwalk? |
| 02:16.30 | cog|away | yay heat |
| 02:16.42 | Lopeppeppy | Very yay. Did you read why it was broked? |
| 02:16.55 | Lopeppeppy | still wants to bite someone for that. |
| 02:17.41 | cog|away | nope... |
| 02:18.02 | Lopeppeppy | *&&^^%$ asshats were working on the boilers today. They forgot to turn them back on when they were done. |
| 02:18.26 | Lopeppeppy | (*&^^%$. Apparently they did this YESTERDAY to another building, this is the second night in a row the super has had to come out to turn heat back on that they "forgot" and left off. |
| 02:18.28 | Lopeppeppy | JERKS!!! |
| 02:18.43 | cogwheel | we had ours rebuilt when we moved in and they forgot to reset the circuit breaker. luckily it was just beginning to get cold (and you probably wouldn't even consider it cold at its worst ><) |
| 02:19.13 | cogwheel | s/(/when we discovered it (/ |
| 02:19.22 | Lopeppeppy | It's not cold here right now either, 55 during the day, 30's at night. I only noticed because I'm getting a cold and was a little chilled, jacked the heat to make myself feel better, got nothing. |
| 02:19.44 | Lopeppeppy | Nothing like last year when the heat was gone for 5 days in freezing temperatures... :) |
| 02:21.13 | cogwheel | is tempted to get a weezer snuggie just because... it's. a. weezer. snuggie. |
| 02:21.28 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 02:21.34 | Lopeppeppy | ... I will disown you. |
| 02:21.39 | Lopeppeppy | I'll help Mrs. Cog disown you. |
| 02:21.46 | Lopeppeppy | And take back your rawr! |
| 02:22.00 | Lopeppeppy | Dignified humans do not possess... "snuggies". *shudder* |
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| 02:24.44 | Duman | heh |
| 02:25.15 | cogwheel | http://bash.org/?908721 imo XD |
| 02:25.22 | Thunder_Child | no such thing as a 'dignified human' |
| 02:25.56 | Lopeppeppy | I hear ya, but still. No more rawr for snuggie wearing peoples! |
| 02:26.05 | cogwheel | trouts Shirik with a large Fisker |
| 02:26.26 | Lopeppeppy | fiskers cogwheel with a large shirik trout. |
| 02:26.30 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker is a verb, you know. |
| 02:26.36 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 02:26.47 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, thank you for coming to fix my heat! |
| 02:26.52 | Lopeppeppy | Or rather, sending the person to do it. |
| 02:26.57 | Shirik | :) |
| 02:27.10 | Lopeppeppy | You're my newest god. |
| 02:27.39 | cogwheel | false idol imo |
| 02:27.41 | cogwheel | flees |
| 02:29.09 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:33.24 | NightHawkTheSane | god is dead. |
| 02:34.19 | Lopeppeppy | NHTS, be nice. Be happy for me! :P |
| 02:35.39 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont see how the two are mutually exclusive. :P but yes, i am happy you have heat, of course :) |
| 02:36.00 | cogwheel | points out to NHTS the fact that he was happy for the peppy before he fully grokked her situation, even |
| 02:36.04 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, for dinner.. sandwiches, frozen pizza, or take out teriyaki |
| 02:36.16 | cogwheel | flees from NHTS |
| 02:36.26 | NightHawkTheSane | is confused who the `he` in cogwheel's statement is supposed to be |
| 02:36.49 | cogwheel | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, i debated with that for a while, but i figured you'd assume i wasn't being self-depricating :3 |
| 02:37.10 | NightHawkTheSane | i dunno, its hard to tell around here sometimes. :) |
| 02:37.24 | cogwheel | :P |
| 02:37.58 | tem | well |
| 02:38.03 | tem | sigh @ another 49 attempt week |
| 02:38.11 | tem | but fuck yes @ lothar's edge |
| 02:39.17 | Lopeppeppy | NHTS, takeout. |
| 02:40.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: meh, im going to make a sandwich AND the small frozen pizza i have |
| 02:40.17 | NightHawkTheSane | i'll get takeout tomorrow night |
| 02:40.49 | Shishire | anyone know where I can get info on the event UNIT_ENTERED_VEHICLE? |
| 02:41.24 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, very stylin', NHTS! |
| 02:41.34 | cogwheel | Totally random made-up term for the day: âen nomâ adj - in the process of being eaten (ânommedâ) |
| 02:41.47 | cogwheel | (or eating) |
| 02:41.53 | Shirik | so is Lopeppeppy warm now? |
| 02:42.07 | Shirik | or only guaranteed warm in the near future? |
| 02:42.21 | Lopeppeppy | Actually warm, Shirik. The super came and fixed what the asshats did wrong. |
| 02:42.31 | Shirik | yey :) |
| 02:42.55 | Seerah | :D |
| 02:42.57 | Lopeppeppy | Very yay. One problem down, a few more to tackle tomorrow during business hours. |
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| 02:44.54 | Lopeppeppy | Shishire, not much about it on wowprogramming.com... |
| 02:46.51 | Lopeppeppy | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/UNIT_ENTERED_VEHICLE |
| 02:48.28 | Shishire | blah |
| 02:48.38 | Shishire | ok, I'm gonna get some info and do a write up |
| 02:48.43 | Seerah | what do you need to know? |
| 02:49.05 | Shishire | Looking to get the possible values for the arg list |
| 02:49.23 | Shishire | knowing which arg is what is what I hoped to find online |
| 02:50.01 | Seerah | I forget if the new stuff in the wow client will show you that info, but get devtools, use it's event tracer, and hop in a vehicle |
| 02:50.15 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 02:50.27 | Seerah | or write your own function to spit out the falues |
| 02:50.29 | Seerah | *values |
| 02:50.35 | Seerah | instead of using devtool |
| 02:50.42 | Seerah | bah - can't type tonight |
| 02:50.45 | Shishire | yeah |
| 02:50.52 | Lopeppeppy | says that Seerah is wicked smaht. |
| 02:51.01 | Seerah | there may just not be any args with it... /shrug |
| 02:51.04 | Shishire | I wrote a frame and I'm just having it print various event args |
| 02:51.18 | Shishire | I know there are, the WoWUI uses some of them |
| 02:51.39 | Shishire | there are at least 6, that's how many the function I'm looking at accepts |
| 02:51.46 | Lopeppeppy | That doesn't mean that they are available for players to toy with. :) |
| 02:52.24 | Seerah | where are you looking at this? (file/line no) |
| 02:53.21 | Shishire | VehicleMenuBar.lua:1069 |
| 02:53.21 | kd3 | rgrr |
| 02:53.30 | kd3 | forced teleport out of icecrown when they close the instance |
| 02:53.36 | kd3 | is trying to get crap documented |
| 02:53.37 | Lopeppeppy | "close the instance" ? |
| 02:53.42 | kd3 | the raid |
| 02:53.43 | Shishire | ptr? |
| 02:53.46 | kd3 | they're done testing for the night |
| 02:53.49 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. |
| 02:53.55 | Lopeppeppy | yeah, they want to close the bar, everyone has to go home! |
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| 02:54.54 | Kraps | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8369689.stm |
| 02:55.10 | Lopeppeppy | Why do i keep hearing that from guys? *laugh* |
| 02:55.59 | NightHawkTheSane | thats a good question |
| 02:56.09 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, hear what? |
| 02:56.34 | Shirik | about oprah? |
| 02:57.08 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 02:57.14 | Lopeppeppy | About time that wench gave it up. |
| 02:57.34 | Shirik | ! |
| 02:57.40 | Shirik | so hasrh |
| 02:57.41 | Shirik | harsh |
| 02:57.42 | Kraps | whoa! |
| 02:57.46 | NightHawkTheSane | i honestly dont care enough to relink that to anyoe |
| 02:58.05 | Lopeppeppy | She's had plenty of famous time, she can take that and do a lot of good things. Let's get someone with a different opinion on the talk circuit. |
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| 02:58.54 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: would you like insane left or insane right? |
| 02:59.23 | Lopeppeppy | Why must I choose? We have some of those already. |
| 02:59.43 | Lopeppeppy | I'd like a male talk show host who is moderate, see what he can do in the world. |
| 03:00.17 | NightHawkTheSane | he can flounder and get cancelled, tahts what |
| 03:00.45 | Lopeppeppy | So can anyone else. Even Joss. |
| 03:00.51 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: and i'd like a date with kelly clarkson |
| 03:01.01 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: Like Dr. Phil? |
| 03:01.01 | Lopeppeppy | Why, she's a tramp. |
| 03:01.19 | Lopeppeppy | Dr. Phil, oh, that guy who says, "Do as I say, not as I do?" |
| 03:01.21 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 03:01.24 | Shirik | :P |
| 03:01.33 | Kraps | dont make me hit a girl pep |
| 03:01.35 | Lopeppeppy | Jimmy Carter should get a tv show. |
| 03:01.49 | Lopeppeppy | That would be good for the world, right there. |
| 03:02.06 | Dagmar | I'm just waiting for the day Dr. Phil gets caught with his pants down and his pointing finger stuck in a 14-year old hooker |
| 03:02.11 | Dagmar | It's gonna happen. |
| 03:02.15 | Dagmar | It's just a matter of time. |
| 03:02.23 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: ... please tell me you're joking |
| 03:02.40 | Mikk | Kraps: You disagree then? |
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| 03:02.51 | DWSR | OK channel |
| 03:02.54 | DWSR | Here's my question. |
| 03:02.59 | Kraps | jimmy carter? |
| 03:03.02 | DWSR | Can you define new types in C via typedef? |
| 03:03.08 | Mikk | Yes |
| 03:03.10 | Kraps | omg |
| 03:03.11 | DWSR | such as defining a string type. |
| 03:03.22 | DWSR | OK, officially my TA is fucking retarded. |
| 03:03.29 | DWSR | He told me I can only typedef structures |
| 03:03.33 | Kraps | that is too fail for words |
| 03:03.37 | Mikk | Well, you can't define operators in C |
| 03:03.39 | Mikk | Need C++ for that |
| 03:03.53 | DWSR | Mikk: I was under the impression I could define types, though. |
| 03:03.59 | Mikk | Well define types |
| 03:04.04 | DWSR | int is a type |
| 03:04.06 | DWSR | char is a type |
| 03:04.08 | Mikk | You can define aliases for existing types |
| 03:04.09 | DWSR | boolean is a type |
| 03:04.21 | Mikk | Like "const void**" = "wootptr" |
| 03:04.30 | Mikk | Or defs for structs |
| 03:04.42 | Mikk | But you can't create a string class that does "abc" + "def" = "abcdef" |
| 03:04.55 | DWSR | No, that I understand. |
| 03:05.09 | DWSR | You can alias string to a char array though, from what I've read. |
| 03:05.16 | DWSR | So that I can go string title = "The title"; |
| 03:05.29 | DWSR | err, sorry. |
| 03:05.50 | DWSR | string title; strcpy(title, "The title"); |
| 03:06.34 | Mikk | certainly |
| 03:06.35 | Shishire | even in C++ you can't define new operators. You can redefine them though. |
| 03:09.10 | DWSR | new patch data on the downloader |
| 03:09.23 | Lopeppeppy | Yup yup. |
| 03:09.32 | DWSR | 448mb. |
| 03:09.36 | DWSR | Sounds pretty close to done. |
| 03:09.58 | Lopeppeppy | Nope nope. |
| 03:10.08 | Lopeppeppy | Background has been known to run for weeks, don't rush them. :) |
| 03:10.25 | DWSR | I'm still predicting a month. |
| 03:10.30 | DWSR | But...448mb is pretty big. |
| 03:10.40 | Lopeppeppy | They said it was going to be big, they've said that all along. |
| 03:11.07 | DWSR | right, but what was the size of the Ulduar patch? |
| 03:11.21 | DWSR | I was under the assumption that it would be roughly that size, maybe a bit larger. |
| 03:11.36 | DWSR | iirc, the 3.1 was like ~400mb? |
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| 03:11.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Considering the vast majority of that data is model/mapping data, and the vast majority of bugs are either in the DBCs or the exe... |
| 03:11.55 | Seerah | I think 3.3 is like 2GB |
| 03:11.57 | ScytheBlade1 | meh |
| 03:12.08 | Shadowed | what ScytheBlade1 said |
| 03:12.11 | Seerah | *the* patch before 4.0 |
| 03:12.23 | guestpants | when i save a table per character, is there a way to look at the contents of the table in the saved variables file? |
| 03:12.40 | guestpants | and geez 'Join to #wowuidev was synced in 40 secs' :\ |
| 03:12.49 | Seerah | per char saved variables are only loaded for that char |
| 03:12.50 | DWSR | guestpants: slow client. |
| 03:13.05 | DWSR | Mine synced in <5s. |
| 03:13.15 | guestpants | DWSR: only kind of, I know why it's doing that |
| 03:13.25 | guestpants | DWSR: and i can fix it and sync in less than a second |
| 03:13.56 | guestpants | my ssh'd into my server which is mass downloading rapidshare links... |
| 03:13.58 | DWSR | guestpants: What, is your client trying to /who everyone? |
| 03:14.00 | guestpants | i'm* |
| 03:14.18 | DWSR | lol, IRC traffic is measured in bytes per second =\ |
| 03:14.37 | DWSR | DoS'ing your box so hard with rapidshit links that your IRC lags....wtf can you want from rapidshit that bad? |
| 03:15.07 | guestpants | getting current season of Dollhouse, Castle and BBT |
| 03:15.27 | guestpants | and the last two days has been about 30 albums of rai... |
| 03:16.14 | guestpants | Seerah: I know, but I want to look in the file that holds the others variables that are saved per character |
| 03:16.30 | guestpants | and see the table that i'm saving per character in the TOC |
| 03:16.32 | Seerah | you can't - they're not laoded |
| 03:16.47 | Seerah | unless I'm not understanding what you're asking |
| 03:16.52 | guestpants | Seerah: I can see the other variables... |
| 03:17.10 | guestpants | wow/wtf/account/server/character/savedvariables/myaddon.lua |
| 03:17.11 | cbreak | other character's variables aren't loaded |
| 03:17.20 | cbreak | no chance. |
| 03:17.30 | guestpants | not in game |
| 03:17.33 | cbreak | you have to relog to that character if you want wow to load it |
| 03:17.41 | guestpants | i can already see the other two variables |
| 03:17.53 | guestpants | so it doesn't save it to the file like the other variables? |
| 03:18.00 | Seerah | guestpants: start over. |
| 03:18.11 | Seerah | you're confusing us :p more details, please :) |
| 03:18.29 | cbreak | you can store data per-character or per-account |
| 03:18.41 | Seerah | or both |
| 03:18.47 | guestpants | Seerah: WoW is not started. I don't want to use WoW for this at all. I want to look at the variables that HAVE BEEN logged from the last session on a certain character |
| 03:18.51 | cbreak | I don't think you can do both |
| 03:18.56 | cbreak | it would colide |
| 03:19.02 | Seerah | cbreak: you very well can. |
| 03:19.08 | cbreak | I bet you can't |
| 03:19.15 | cbreak | a variable is either per char or per account |
| 03:19.25 | Seerah | guestpants: you mean by opening up and looking at the saved varaibles file? |
| 03:19.29 | cbreak | otherwise the loading of the latter would override what the earlier loaded |
| 03:19.30 | guestpants | cbreak: that has nothing to do with what I'm talking about? |
| 03:19.34 | guestpants | Seerah: yes! |
| 03:19.38 | Seerah | cbreak: you can. plenty of addons do, including some of my own |
| 03:19.39 | DWSR | guestpants: You're being very ambiguous |
| 03:19.44 | cogwheel | guestpants: easiest way is to dofile("AddonName.lua") from a vanilla lua script. then you can do whatever you want with it |
| 03:19.47 | Seerah | cbreak: you don't use the same variable name :P |
| 03:19.55 | cbreak | then it's different variables... |
| 03:20.02 | Seerah | guestpants: it's just a plain text file like all lua is |
| 03:20.31 | guestpants | cogwheel: I'm trying to get a print out of the table, all the values inside of it, in a text editor so that I can show it to the class during my final presentation |
| 03:20.39 | DWSR | guestpants: notepad WoW\WTF\<account name>\Realm Name\Character\filename.lua |
| 03:20.53 | Seerah | cbreak: the issue was whether an addon can store variables per account or per character. I said both. |
| 03:20.56 | DWSR | use s/// as neccessary. |
| 03:20.56 | guestpants | Seerah: right, but I put the table on the SavedVariablesPerCharacter: line in the TOC and the table isn't saved in there |
| 03:21.00 | guestpants | that's my problem |
| 03:21.01 | cbreak | you forgot a SavedVariables there DWSR |
| 03:21.05 | guestpants | it shows the other variables |
| 03:21.07 | DWSR | cbreak: Indeed. |
| 03:21.12 | Seerah | guestpants: then you're doing it rong ;) |
| 03:21.15 | DWSR | ^^\ |
| 03:21.32 | guestpants | apparently, but I think the table reloads each time |
| 03:21.32 | guestpants | though i haven't checked |
| 03:21.37 | guestpants | should it print out the whole table? |
| 03:21.49 | Seerah | that file holds whatever you tell it to hold |
| 03:22.02 | cbreak | it's lua code |
| 03:22.09 | guestpants | let me pastebin my lua and TOC |
| 03:22.26 | cbreak | it should represent the value the variables had that were mentioned in your TOC when WoW was quit / you logged out |
| 03:22.58 | guestpants | wow, strange |
| 03:23.04 | guestpants | now it has a table with nothing in it |
| 03:23.09 | guestpants | : |
| 03:23.09 | guestpants | that wasn't there last time i checked |
| 03:23.14 | guestpants | which was after my last session |
| 03:23.19 | guestpants | >.< |
| 03:23.19 | guestpants | well anyway |
| 03:23.19 | guestpants | i'll paste my stuff |
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| 03:23.38 | Thunder_Child | that sounds surprisingly dirty |
| 03:23.44 | Thunder_Child | tekkub. |
| 03:23.49 | cogwheel | guestpants: did you exit wow after changing the toc? |
| 03:23.57 | Thunder_Child | ~poke tekkub |
| 03:23.58 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind tekkub, pokes tekkub repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 03:24.06 | guestpants | not all the way |
| 03:24.12 | guestpants | just back to the character select |
| 03:24.15 | cogwheel | there's your problem |
| 03:24.16 | guestpants | which had worked before |
| 03:24.25 | guestpants | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/129199 |
| 03:24.26 | cogwheel | wow caches the toc on load |
| 03:24.29 | guestpants | there's the code just in case |
| 03:24.32 | guestpants | :\ |
| 03:24.39 | guestpants | hm |
| 03:24.39 | guestpants | ok |
| 03:24.49 | cbreak | the TOC is loaded when wow loads |
| 03:24.51 | guestpants | guess i'll go kill some stuff and then rerecord it |
| 03:24.53 | cbreak | to show you the addon list |
| 03:24.56 | cbreak | it's not reloaded |
| 03:25.08 | guestpants | the lua file is loaded when the character logs in right? |
| 03:25.22 | Seerah | yes |
| 03:25.23 | cogwheel | yep |
| 03:25.28 | guestpants | ok good |
| 03:25.44 | cbreak | you can also /console reloadui |
| 03:25.45 | guestpants | does the code look ok? |
| 03:25.52 | guestpants | there may be other errors |
| 03:25.58 | cbreak | but only files that existed when wow was started are considered |
| 03:26.04 | guestpants | oh really cbreak that will reload the lua script? |
| 03:26.09 | cbreak | yes. |
| 03:26.10 | guestpants | most excellent |
| 03:26.16 | guestpants | that will save time |
| 03:26.16 | cbreak | it's like logging out and back in |
| 03:26.23 | cbreak | it will also save your saved variables |
| 03:26.26 | cbreak | (and load them again) |
| 03:26.51 | cogwheel | guestpants: it "looks" much better when you choose Lua for the language :P |
| 03:27.12 | Kraps | new moon gets 27% on rotten tomatoes |
| 03:27.15 | cbreak | guestpants: your variable names are not the smartest |
| 03:27.18 | cogwheel | you never registered your event |
| 03:27.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Kraps: win |
| 03:27.23 | cbreak | always use prefixes |
| 03:27.24 | cogwheel | unless you did that in the xml |
| 03:27.33 | cbreak | ESPECIALLY for saved variables |
| 03:29.10 | Kraps | ScytheBlade1: i might watch it, werewolves are awesome no matter what |
| 03:29.22 | cbreak | hmm... all your names are bad. |
| 03:30.53 | Lopeppeppy | Aren't you glad you asked? :) |
| 03:30.57 | cogwheel | guestpants: this is the kind of situation where you could put print statements in various places to make sure your code is even being run |
| 03:31.16 | cbreak | I'd recommend formating the code :/ |
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| 03:31.23 | cogwheel | cbreak: it is... |
| 03:31.23 | cbreak | proper indenting goes a long way |
| 03:31.27 | cogwheel | 19:26 < cogwheel> guestpants: it "looks" much better when you choose Lua for the language :P |
| 03:31.38 | cogwheel | and see my "reply" on pastey ;) |
| 03:32.19 | cbreak | it wouldn't surprise me if some random other addon overwrites those variables |
| 03:33.26 | Seerah | ummm... shouldn't his OnEvent function have the frame first? (self,event,...) ? (I don't use XML, so not 100% sure) |
| 03:33.52 | guestpants | cogwheel: which event did I never register? |
| 03:34.02 | Seerah | also, just fyi, guestpants, the current interface number is 30200 |
| 03:34.06 | Thunder_Child | mikma, ping |
| 03:34.11 | guestpants | and the variable names are just there until the project is over, I'll be revising and making it more professional afterwards |
| 03:34.22 | guestpants | there's also an xml file not included in the paste bin which puts a UI up |
| 03:34.25 | cbreak | guestpants: don't |
| 03:34.30 | cbreak | you pollute the global namespace |
| 03:34.35 | cogwheel | guestpants: you didn't register anything in the code you pasteyed, which is why i said "unless you did that in the xml" |
| 03:34.35 | cbreak | fix the names asap |
| 03:34.38 | Seerah | guestpants: he just said that your events aren't registered in the Lua file (not sure if you have them in the xml) |
| 03:34.48 | guestpants | cogwheel: the UI is showing that a lot of the code is running, and I've verified that the table is getting assigned values when I kill something |
| 03:35.01 | guestpants | cbreak: it's probably misformated from being pasted into pastebin |
| 03:35.05 | cogwheel | guestpants: that's the kind of maintenance that will be nightmarish in the future. don't put off doing things the right way :P |
| 03:35.27 | cogwheel | cough* |
| 03:35.32 | cogwheel | 19:31 < cogwheel> 19:26 < cogwheel> guestpants: it "looks" much better when you choose Lua for the language :P |
| 03:35.57 | cbreak | guestpants: guess what happens if any other addon or the WoW standard ui uses a variable named "zone" |
| 03:36.05 | cogwheel | 19:31 < cogwheel> and see my "reply" on pastey ;) |
| 03:36.06 | guestpants | oh, right |
| 03:36.11 | Seerah | making vars local first and then changing to global if you have to (or moving to a different part of the file for scope) is a VERY good habit to have :) |
| 03:36.11 | guestpants | i only pasted the relevant function |
| 03:36.16 | guestpants | there are other functions |
| 03:36.28 | cbreak | SavedVariables have to be global |
| 03:36.33 | cbreak | so use prefixes |
| 03:36.42 | guestpants | and sorry, irrsi command line mode doesn't allow me to see everything everyone says at once |
| 03:36.57 | guestpants | cbreak: ok, I'll take care of that, thanks for ifnorming me of the possible issue with overwrites |
| 03:36.59 | cogwheel | like i said, this is a good place to put some print statements so you can see whether what should be happening actually is at the places you're interested in |
| 03:37.02 | cbreak | Colloquy wins :) |
| 03:37.12 | Seerah | <3 Pidgin |
| 03:37.25 | Lopeppeppy | <3 Trillian |
| 03:37.30 | guestpants | cogwheel: i mentioned I only pasted the relevant function, there's more to the lua file than just that |
| 03:37.33 | guestpants | and i've verified that it works |
| 03:37.40 | Seerah | guestpants: use a table for your saved vars. SLAYERDB and then have currentZone, totalKills, and zone in that table. |
| 03:38.00 | cbreak | all caps hurts :/ |
| 03:38.06 | guestpants | Seerah: hm, that's an interesting idea |
| 03:38.13 | Seerah | that is standard practice |
| 03:38.17 | cbreak | the usual way addons save data is like that |
| 03:38.32 | guestpants | just refer to it throughout the code as SLAYERDB[currentzone]? |
| 03:38.46 | cogwheel | .currentzone |
| 03:38.46 | cbreak | for example |
| 03:38.54 | cbreak | (note that it's case sensitive) |
| 03:38.55 | guestpants | i need to go for a little bit, need to relocate, but i'll be back |
| 03:39.03 | guestpants | thanks a bunch for the help |
| 03:39.16 | guestpants | oh, right, since its stored inside i can use the . notation again |
| 03:39.34 | cbreak | just make sure |
| 03:39.38 | cbreak | to test if the field is there |
| 03:39.49 | cogwheel | supresses (sp?) his inner pedant |
| 03:39.50 | batbot | cogwheel, suppresses. |
| 03:39.58 | guestpants | right |
| 03:40.00 | cogwheel | bah that's what i had at first >< |
| 03:40.06 | guestpants | i might just use prefixes on them |
| 03:40.17 | guestpants | anyway, be back soon |
| 03:48.21 | Kraps | wtf is this awesomeness? http://www.imdb.com/features/holidaymovieguide/2009/movies/imaginariumofdrparnassas |
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| 03:52.14 | Trela | Interesting. |
| 03:55.01 | Shirik | wow |
| 03:55.06 | Shirik | for the first time ever, I'm using a /castsequence macro |
| 03:59.22 | Kraps | any of you seen the romcom "Just Like Heaven"? |
| 04:02.01 | bleeter | Kraps: it's a pretty good film, tbh. |
| 04:02.09 | Kraps | agreed |
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| 04:05.54 | Shishire | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/129204 |
| 04:06.07 | Shishire | That's the info I currently have on UNIT_ENTERED_VEHICLE |
| 04:06.29 | Shishire | just in case anyone is curious, etc. |
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| 04:14.37 | Iriel | Did you try a flying mount? |
| 04:16.14 | WobWork | Iriel: sure, but I kept missing =\ I think mounting normally is much more sedate |
| 04:16.53 | Iriel | ouch |
| 04:19.28 | Mikk | Shirik: haven't played a pallydork then |
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| 04:19.38 | guestpants | yay 2 second sync |
| 04:19.39 | guestpants | :p |
| 04:19.40 | WobWork | http://www.wordcount.org/main.php |
| 04:20.46 | guestpants | oh. way to remind me that i'm behind on my nano novel :\ |
| 04:21.04 | Shirik | Mikk? |
| 04:21.05 | Shirik | oh |
| 04:21.12 | Shirik | no because I have actual skill (I hope) |
| 04:21.15 | Shirik | However here's a scary though |
| 04:21.20 | Shirik | thought* |
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| 04:21.30 | Shirik | I just did heroic twin valkyrs |
| 04:21.41 | Mikk | or well if it's retribution it was more castrandom i guess |
| 04:21.48 | Mikk | or just bind stuff to 1-9 & faceroll |
| 04:21.51 | Shirik | um |
| 04:21.53 | Shirik | and |
| 04:21.59 | Mikk | prot has a few useful sequences though |
| 04:22.00 | Shirik | I've been out of healing for about 1.5 months now |
| 04:22.05 | Mikk | still facerollable though i guess |
| 04:22.06 | Shirik | so my gear is way behind my guild's |
| 04:22.11 | Shirik | most of the guild has at least half heroic gear, etc. |
| 04:22.12 | guestpants | i suck at healing :( |
| 04:22.31 | Shirik | I am half 245 non-heroic, some pieces are even naxx gear |
| 04:22.39 | Shirik | and I just beat all the other priests in healing :/ |
| 04:22.48 | guestpants | my healer is level 70 though |
| 04:22.49 | Shirik | admittedly, not by much, but I shouldn't even be close |
| 04:22.49 | Mikk | well |
| 04:22.49 | guestpants | so meh |
| 04:22.53 | Mikk | don't compare to priests :P |
| 04:22.56 | Shirik | I AM a priest |
| 04:22.57 | Mikk | priests are poop in wotlk |
| 04:23.00 | Mikk | oh |
| 04:23.02 | guestpants | :p |
| 04:23.06 | Shirik | and fu |
| 04:23.08 | Mikk | then they are pooper |
| 04:23.10 | guestpants | my dk is behind sadly |
| 04:23.12 | Mikk | well they are :P |
| 04:23.12 | Shirik | FU |
| 04:23.16 | Mikk | hahaha |
| 04:23.18 | guestpants | i don't have any ulduar or ToC gear |
| 04:23.20 | Mikk | restodruid lololrejuv & win |
| 04:23.29 | Mikk | keep 15 hots up, 15khps |
| 04:23.31 | Mikk | wheeeee |
| 04:23.54 | Mikk | well more actually if no overheal |
| 04:24.05 | Mikk | valks are good for that |
| 04:24.46 | Mikk | peaking at 20khps or something like that |
| 04:24.49 | Mikk | good luck doing that as a priest |
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| 04:25.12 | WobWork | I tried treehealing an old durnholde last night |
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| 04:25.42 | WobWork | do I want to spend my clearcast on healing touch? |
| 04:25.49 | WobWork | (pre 80) |
| 04:26.01 | Mikk | aeuhm |
| 04:26.16 | Mikk | i don't particularily bother about clearcasts |
| 04:26.24 | Mikk | it's just 10% extra mana to me |
| 04:26.30 | Mikk | or well 10% less used |
| 04:27.00 | Mikk | anyway pre 80 you probably want glyphed HT these days |
| 04:27.02 | Mikk | until you get nourish |
| 04:27.25 | Mikk | and know the encounters so you can prehot |
| 04:27.45 | WobWork | hm, I wonder what glyphs I have atm if I even have any for my tree |
| 04:28.04 | Mikk | ummm |
| 04:28.08 | Mikk | now you're making me question what i have |
| 04:28.13 | Mikk | i SHOULD totally have glyph of rejuv now |
| 04:28.15 | Mikk | but i wonder if i do |
| 04:29.28 | Mikk | phfew i do |
| 04:29.49 | Mikk | anyway ummm |
| 04:29.57 | Mikk | pre 80 i think i'd recommend glyph of swiftmend and glyph of HT |
| 04:30.26 | Shirik | (23:22:44) (Mikk) restodruid lololrejuv & win |
| 04:30.27 | Shirik | I hope you die |
| 04:30.29 | Mikk | at 80 switch glyph of HT for Glyph of Nourish |
| 04:30.32 | Shirik | diediediediediediediediediediediediediedie |
| 04:30.39 | Mikk | and take your HT button and toss it out the window |
| 04:30.41 | Mikk | you will never use it again |
| 04:30.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: would you prefer lolchspam & win? |
| 04:30.59 | ZorbaTHut | wob, spending clearcast on Lifebloom is nice because it ends up costing negative mana |
| 04:31.16 | Shirik | fuck you all |
| 04:31.23 | Mikk | ZorbaTHut: if you're choosing when to use it, you obviously want to try and pick the most expensive spell |
| 04:31.38 | Mikk | but seriously |
| 04:31.45 | Mikk | you gain more from spending time reading the encounter |
| 04:31.53 | Mikk | and getting some 5sr ticks in |
| 04:32.04 | Mikk | worrying about clearcast in the middle of that .... eww |
| 04:32.13 | Mikk | especially when you're hastecapped and whacking keys once per second |
| 04:33.04 | ZorbaTHut | true. but if you've got a clearcast ticking down and you don't have anything you particularly need to be doing, tossing a lifebloom on the tank is a damn good use for it |
| 04:33.16 | Mikk | WobWork: Anyway, your #1 spell is now REJUVENATE. LifeBloom you can add later. On the tank. Maybe. |
| 04:33.30 | Mikk | ZorbaTHut: very fair point |
| 04:33.38 | Mikk | especially since it doesn't screw with your 5sr |
| 04:33.39 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.tshirthell.com/bandgeekhero.shtml |
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| 04:38.40 | Shirik | Here's a sad thought Mikk |
| 04:38.42 | Shirik | I told you my gear sucks |
| 04:38.48 | Shirik | We decided to go to Ulduar to get Knock Knock Knock |
| 04:38.57 | Shirik | I just got an upgrade from Flame Leviathan |
| 04:39.03 | Mikk | Hehe |
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| 04:39.29 | Mikk | Anyway yeah.. healing was always more about skill than numbers |
| 04:39.56 | Mikk | I proved that when I went into BT as backup resto with offspec T4 loots and outhealed mostly T6 restos |
| 04:40.02 | Mikk | That was .... an eye opener. |
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| 04:54.23 | Shirik | Mikk... |
| 04:54.33 | Shirik | I hate my life |
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| 04:54.55 | Shirik | XT also dropped something I could use |
| 04:55.20 | ccox | and you lost the roll? |
| 04:55.33 | NightHawkTheSane | you'll get over it |
| 04:56.11 | Shirik | well, ccox, DKP bid |
| 04:56.19 | Shirik | I'm not sure if the other guy actually wanted it or what |
| 04:56.30 | Shirik | but we have separate sets of DKP for T8/T9 |
| 04:56.45 | Mikk | In a sane guild, one can ask |
| 04:56.58 | Mikk | Like "is that major upgrade for you? it is for me!" |
| 04:57.01 | Shirik | All he said was "It's higher ilvl than what I have" |
| 04:57.04 | Shirik | we already tried that |
| 04:57.10 | Shirik | there was actually a bunch of "You don't need that shit!" |
| 04:57.15 | Shirik | but I told them to drop it |
| 04:57.22 | Mikk | Ow |
| 04:57.24 | Mikk | That sort of guild |
| 04:57.29 | Shirik | no |
| 04:57.31 | Shirik | this was at the other guy |
| 04:57.37 | Shirik | he's..... a bit strange |
| 04:57.41 | Shirik | I don't think he actually knows how to play |
| 04:57.53 | Shirik | but he is effective |
| 04:57.56 | Shirik | (imo BECAUSE he's a druid) |
| 04:58.18 | Mikk | Yeah druids are fairly insane now |
| 04:58.19 | Shirik | most guild members were for me taking it but I told them to drop it |
| 04:58.27 | Mikk | And priests need a buff |
| 04:58.42 | Shirik | no |
| 04:58.47 | Shirik | priests just need to go back to what they were DESIGNED to do |
| 04:58.58 | Shirik | The second they took out the 5SR weaving, they destroyed the entire priest mechanics |
| 04:59.56 | Mikk | Well.. that's not what's giving priests pissy hp/s |
| 05:00.50 | Mikk | Actually I take half of that statement back |
| 05:01.13 | Mikk | One disc priest can put out absorbs matching (or even doing better than) a druid's lolrejuvspam |
| 05:01.17 | Mikk | But they don't exactly stack |
| 05:01.33 | Mikk | Holy is just meh whichever way you look at it in comparison now |
| 05:02.05 | Mikk | Tank healing? Pallies. Or if no pallies, shamans. |
| 05:02.15 | Mikk | Raid healing? Druid. Or shamans with CH. |
| 05:02.37 | Mikk | Holy priest? Erm give us fort & go stand in that corner pls. |
| 05:03.19 | Mikk | About the only uniquely useful spell is CoH since it's instant and can fix a panic situation (acid / fire spew on heroic jormungars come into mind) |
| 05:04.12 | Mikk | Sorry. GS is nice also. |
| 05:04.14 | Shirik | yup |
| 05:04.26 | Shirik | and I cannot convince the raid leader, for whatever reason, that we need to convert more priests to disc |
| 05:04.33 | Shirik | he is absolutely unwilling to listen to anyone's ideas |
| 05:04.43 | Mikk | Well erm you really don't want to take more than 2 discs. |
| 05:04.51 | Shirik | We want to take more than 1 when we have no pallies |
| 05:04.52 | Mikk | Weakened Spirit yaknow |
| 05:05.16 | Mikk | Ah, pally shortage. |
| 05:05.22 | Mikk | Stick a shaman on the job. |
| 05:05.29 | Shirik | I think there's one shaman on the server |
| 05:05.31 | Shirik | and we have him |
| 05:05.34 | Mikk | lmao |
| 05:05.37 | Mikk | oops =) |
| 05:06.48 | Mikk | But yeah as it stands, the optimal 6 healer setup goes something like... 2 holy pallies, 2 trees, 1 resto shaman, 1 disc priest |
| 05:07.01 | Mikk | At least for ToC fights |
| 05:08.34 | Shirik | tickles Seerah |
| 05:08.39 | Mikk | And stick a pally tank on the singleshot-killer bosses |
| 05:08.46 | Seerah | goes for the knees |
| 05:09.01 | Mikk | Like oh... Icehowl |
| 05:09.13 | Mikk | 56k melee on tank ftw |
| 05:09.18 | NightHawkTheSane | so |
| 05:09.28 | NightHawkTheSane | how bad of a hunter do you have to be to get owned by a prot pally who sucks at pvp |
| 05:09.54 | Mikk | well stupidly determined for one |
| 05:09.55 | Seerah | part of me wishes he had stayed "retired" after his drama burst |
| 05:10.03 | Seerah | oops :p mt :D |
| 05:10.14 | Seerah | dual screen ftw |
| 05:10.19 | NightHawkTheSane | nice :P |
| 05:10.29 | Mikk | Seerah: 7/10 for possible interest |
| 05:10.44 | Mikk | & gossip value |
| 05:11.12 | Mikk | It's fairly good mind you, I don't really deal out more than 7 unless it's cybersex mischans |
| 05:11.27 | Seerah | hehe |
| 05:11.41 | Shirik | rofl Seerah |
| 05:11.45 | Shirik | goes for the knees? |
| 05:11.55 | Seerah | if you tickle, I have to tackle |
| 05:12.26 | Shirik | Mikk: She was talking about you |
| 05:12.29 | Mikk | tickles Seerah some more, hoping to induce another mischan. Gifv names! |
| 05:12.30 | Mikk | !!!!!! |
| 05:12.47 | Mikk | Wait when did I drama |
| 05:12.50 | Seerah | bah. almost typed in game that time :p |
| 05:12.55 | Mikk | hahahaha |
| 05:13.14 | Mikk | Shirik: Liar liar pants on fire! I can't remember dramaing on any freenet channel! |
| 05:13.22 | Seerah | next, you were going to see a bunch of wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaadewr |
| 05:13.46 | Shirik | (00:12:10) (Mikk) Lol I hate all you noobs I quit gtfo |
| 05:13.50 | Mikk | Being an inconsiderate arse at times, yes. Or being guilty of stream-of-consciousness channelspew, yes. |
| 05:13.53 | Mikk | hahahahahaha |
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| 05:39.03 | Shishire | being a shammy, its sad to see such a lack of shammies :( |
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| 05:51.17 | Shirik | it's ok Shiibot |
| 05:51.20 | Shirik | Shishire |
| 05:51.23 | Shirik | at least people still want you |
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| 05:55.07 | WobWork | http://twitpic.com/owelt |
| 05:55.11 | WobWork | <3 AFP |
| 05:56.55 | Dagmar | Submit that to Engrish.com |
| 05:56.57 | Dagmar | NAO |
| 05:59.25 | Shirik | what does that even mean WobWork o.o |
| 05:59.30 | Shirik | i mean what is it supposed to mean |
| 05:59.53 | Shirik | there's japanese at the bottom but I can't read the kanji :( |
| 05:59.56 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:59.57 | Fisker | bam |
| 06:00.26 | NightHawkTheSane | bahahahaha |
| 06:00.28 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/11/18/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5700676.shtml |
| 06:00.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Texas, in an attempt to ban gay marriage, bans all marriage. |
| 06:01.22 | Kraps | is this clip playing? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpbl-V-KvtE&feature=related |
| 06:02.11 | Fisker | i wouldn't kill you NightHawkTheSane |
| 06:03.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd kill you, Fisker |
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| 06:07.27 | Fisker | :( |
| 06:07.34 | Fisker | i don't even remember typing that |
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| 06:20.08 | Fisker | you wouldn't wake a sleeping Fisker Shirik |
| 06:30.18 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: Baby with the bathwater =) |
| 06:30.43 | WobWork | Fiskers don't sleep |
| 06:30.45 | WobWork | They lurk |
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| 06:38.13 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, http://gizmodo.com/5408808/hasselblads-multi+shot-h3dii+50-ms-brings-50-megapixels-for-34000 |
| 06:38.19 | Thunder_Child | and Iriel too ^ |
| 06:38.48 | Shirik | oh that is fucking awesome idea |
| 06:38.53 | Iriel | Mmmm... |
| 06:39.06 | Shirik | That's a hardcore patent I bet |
| 06:39.13 | Shirik | one of the biggies will want to buy that up |
| 06:39.15 | Iriel | though it'd have issues for action shots |
| 06:39.21 | Shirik | depends on how fast it is I guess |
| 06:39.50 | Thunder_Child | http://www.hasselblad.co.uk/downloads/datasheets/h-system.aspx |
| 06:40.09 | Shirik | hawtness |
| 06:41.10 | Shirik | 1.1s / capture |
| 06:41.27 | Shirik | I guess that basically means about 3 fps and combining them together |
| 06:41.45 | Shirik | still it's a really awesome idea |
| 06:42.23 | Iriel | Especially because you get a standard 'interpolated color' shot each frame |
| 06:42.26 | Shirik | and I think, while the first models of a new technology rarely get things right perfectly, so Iriel's complaint is justifiable, I think that given a few years this could turn into a Really Big Deal⢠|
| 06:42.30 | Iriel | so you can run it in either mode |
| 06:44.02 | Iriel | The medium format guys have been through quite a lot of 'interesting' in the pursuit of a massive high quality image |
| 06:44.09 | Iriel | But the tradeoff always seems to be capture speed |
| 06:45.38 | Shirik | Well |
| 06:45.47 | Shirik | the limiting factor is something computers have never had to think about |
| 06:45.51 | Shirik | or, not as much |
| 06:45.58 | Shirik | And so the technology hasn't progressed as much |
| 06:46.07 | Shirik | The limiting factor is really the quality and size of capacitors |
| 06:46.14 | Shirik | transistors have gotten incredibly tiny |
| 06:46.26 | Shirik | capacitors have (relatively speaking) not |
| 06:46.47 | Shirik | however, now here's a really interesting thought |
| 06:46.56 | Shirik | memristor technology could be huge in cameras |
| 06:46.58 | Shirik | now that I thin kabout it |
| 06:47.03 | Shirik | fuck I need to get a patent out for that! |
| 06:47.15 | Shirik | make canon give me a bazillion dollars |
| 06:48.47 | NightHawkTheSane | is there a less sucky alternative to atlas loot? |
| 06:48.56 | Shirik | a brain? |
| 06:49.18 | Yssaril | NightHawkTheSane: what would you want in a loot addon with less suck? |
| 06:49.27 | Shirik | Yeah I'm kinda on Yssaril's side |
| 06:49.28 | Shirik | like |
| 06:49.32 | Shirik | the alternative is what I do |
| 06:49.34 | Shirik | get chrome |
| 06:49.36 | Shirik | switch out of wow |
| 06:49.38 | Shirik | go to website |
| 06:49.40 | Shirik | win |
| 06:49.45 | Shirik | s/win/profit/ |
| 06:50.51 | Thunder_Child | ah, just finished the chrome OS DL |
| 06:57.19 | Shirik | Thunder_Child you have a use for it? |
| 06:57.35 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, na, just to see what it is like |
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| 06:57.42 | Thunder_Child | i got it in VM format |
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| 06:57.53 | Shirik | ah |
| 06:57.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Yssaril: cleaner interface mostly |
| 06:58.09 | NightHawkTheSane | atlas loot is ugly as sin, and is shitty to navigae |
| 07:03.24 | Yssaril | NightHawkTheSane: i promise nothing but check this out http://www.wowace.com/addons/yssbossloot/images/ (something i am working on (hopefully ready by 3.3)) |
| 07:06.54 | NightHawkTheSane | that looks pretty neat, but im not a fan of it being tied to the map |
| 07:07.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i might just say fuck it and uninstall it and tab out |
| 07:07.25 | Yssaril | hehe |
| 07:07.25 | NightHawkTheSane | i just liked it because i could peruse loot without having to be tabbed |
| 07:08.58 | guestpants | well the table prints out just fine |
| 07:09.00 | guestpants | so thats good |
| 07:09.02 | guestpants | i'm going to bed |
| 07:09.16 | Yssaril | i am working on that mod cause thats how i felt about AL by the time you get the info on the current boss you are at you may as well ahve tabbed out and wowheaded it |
| 07:10.20 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
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| 07:17.01 | Fisker- | Shirikmen |
| 07:17.50 | Shirik | Fisker-men |
| 07:17.56 | Shirik | lol gateway/web/freenode/session |
| 07:18.02 | Shirik | did freenode break their webchat? |
| 07:19.05 | NightHawkTheSane | i.. er.. what? http://imgur.com/3vZgU |
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| 07:19.39 | Shirik | lmao NightHawkTheSane |
| 07:20.32 | Fisker- | hits Shirik |
| 07:20.34 | Fisker- | i'm tired |
| 07:20.46 | Fisker- | fix me |
| 07:21.01 | Shirik | gets the clippers and tourniket |
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| 07:22.26 | Fisker- | you wouldn't wake a sleeping Fisker |
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| 07:40.29 | Ancu | I cant sleep |
| 07:40.34 | Ancu | I am far too awake |
| 07:42.26 | Ancu | Am I the only one? |
| 07:42.32 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 07:42.47 | Ancu | thats not cool if its true... |
| 07:43.10 | Ancu | so does anyone know where to get the spell Frostmourne, and who can cast it? |
| 07:43.25 | Thunder_Child | arthas i would assume |
| 07:43.41 | Ancu | You cant fight arthus yet |
| 07:43.41 | Thunder_Child | unless his sword is a seperate entity |
| 07:43.56 | Ancu | Its a linkable spell |
| 07:44.29 | NightHawkTheSane | because obviously you have access to everything that can be linked |
| 07:44.42 | Dagmar | You also have to kill your guild leader to get it. |
| 07:44.44 | Yssaril | Ancu: spells are not cached like items are |
| 07:44.46 | Dagmar | Don't forget that part. |
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| 07:44.58 | Yssaril | spells can always be linked since they reside on the client |
| 07:45.21 | Ancu | yes yes, but that means that it is obtainable if it exist right? |
| 07:45.53 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 07:45.53 | Dagmar | Ancu: It's a click on use with the Martin Fury cufflinks. |
| 07:46.01 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, because you can obtain every spell that can be linked |
| 07:46.07 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:46.45 | Ancu | hey, I am not always correct...by why would they have a spell that isnt obtainable |
| 07:46.49 | Dagmar | Of course, they're ilevel 302 and require level 83 to equip. |
| 07:47.02 | NightHawkTheSane | i can think of many reasons |
| 07:47.06 | Dagmar | Dude, there's LOTS of spells that aren't obtainable by players. |
| 07:47.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i would actualy go sof ar as to say that MOST Of the spells in the database are NOT usable by layers |
| 07:47.25 | NightHawkTheSane | players* |
| 07:47.26 | Fisker- | Dagmar: |
| 07:47.28 | Yssaril | Ancu: because some developer was testing a spell and never used it and also never removed it |
| 07:47.28 | Fisker- | nemesis |
| 07:47.31 | Dagmar | Just watch any boss closely sometime |
| 07:47.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: or, you know, nearly any mob. |
| 07:48.23 | NightHawkTheSane | anyway, i'm off to bed, where people are smarter. |
| 07:48.33 | Ancu | Damn, silver rods are expensive... |
| 07:48.54 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: I'll let the obvious retort slide |
| 07:50.18 | Ancu | So where the hell do you get the silver rods? I already wasted my gold, but I still want to know |
| 07:50.47 | Dagmar | Blacksmiths, maybe? |
| 07:51.28 | Yssaril | yep BSs make them |
| 07:52.31 | Ancu | damn, wish I had known, the mats where probably cheeper |
| 07:52.32 | Fisker- | you wouldn't kill my mom |
| 07:53.22 | Ancu | ... |
| 07:53.54 | Fisker- | But obviously they're obtained out of nothing Ancu |
| 07:53.57 | Fisker- | they're just there! |
| 07:54.53 | Dagmar | As long as I'm not paying >300% mat costs I just grab 'em from the AH |
| 07:55.03 | Dagmar | Enchanters use 'em to make their next level rod |
| 07:55.04 | mikma | thunder_child: pong |
| 07:55.49 | Fisker- | you wouldn't ping a Thunder_Child |
| 07:57.03 | mikma | don't worry noob |
| 07:57.25 | Thunder_Child | mikma, where do you want ohsnap error posted since jnwhiteh was lazy and refused to answer me |
| 07:57.34 | Thunder_Child | the bastard |
| 07:57.43 | jnwhiteh | you didn't respond when I was here |
| 07:57.45 | jnwhiteh | I call that your fault. |
| 07:58.01 | jnwhiteh | also, you didnt ping me until now |
| 07:58.02 | jnwhiteh | so fail |
| 07:58.16 | jnwhiteh | tell us here, or put it in comments |
| 07:58.20 | Fisker- | jnwhiteh = j(erk)n(00b) :( |
| 07:58.21 | jnwhiteh | comments probably best |
| 07:58.28 | mikma | =) |
| 07:58.51 | mikma | i'm guessing its the bug that ohsnap doesnt clear instacast messages |
| 07:58.58 | Thunder_Child | 18:28.04Thunder_Childmikma, where do you want bug reports? |
| 07:58.58 | Thunder_Child | 18:32.08Thunder_Childsame goes for you jnwhiteh |
| 07:59.00 | Thunder_Child | 18:32.10Shirikweakling |
| 07:59.02 | Thunder_Child | 18:32.15jnwhitehkk |
| 07:59.04 | Thunder_Child | 18:32.18jnwhitehfor what? |
| 07:59.06 | Thunder_Child | 18:32.23Thunder_Childoh snap |
| 07:59.08 | Thunder_Child | 18:32.27jnwhitehcause i dont want them in the first pleace |
| 07:59.12 | Thunder_Child | i win |
| 07:59.18 | Thunder_Child | more or less |
| 07:59.19 | jnwhiteh | hardly |
| 07:59.23 | jnwhiteh | you are the one having bugs =) |
| 07:59.25 | Fisker- | what is oh snap anyways? |
| 07:59.34 | Thunder_Child | see, you refused to answer me |
| 07:59.38 | Shirik | stop pinging me |
| 07:59.40 | Fisker- | When Ninjapanel was bugged he never fixed it either! |
| 07:59.43 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 07:59.45 | Fisker- | Shirik |
| 07:59.49 | Fisker- | how do i ping? |
| 08:00.22 | Thunder_Child | mikma, no actually it's with fear |
| 08:00.28 | Thunder_Child | unless thats an instant cast |
| 08:00.52 | Thunder_Child | but yea, it's the clearing issue |
| 08:01.02 | Dagmar | A 21.5" LCD monitor |
| 08:01.09 | Dagmar | @#$@ wrong chan |
| 08:01.13 | mikma | ya, someone reported that, and i know it exists =/ |
| 08:01.59 | Fisker- | you wouldn't link to oh snap |
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| 08:02.28 | mikma | thunder_child: i don't know why it happens, and i don't know how to fix that. jnwhiteh coded that part pretty much |
| 08:05.45 | Thunder_Child | mikma, can you make it have the option to 'grow upwards'? |
| 08:06.25 | Thunder_Child | i play with it at the top of my screen and it would be nice to have the important bits closer to the middle |
| 08:06.40 | mikma | mm, propably |
| 08:06.53 | mikma | havent had a look at the code for months |
| 08:07.23 | Wobin | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/funny-pictures-lions-are-napping.jpg |
| 08:08.25 | Thunder_Child | of the screen |
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| 08:11.45 | Shirik | Fisker- |
| 08:11.58 | Shirik | you hack 127.0.0.1 |
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| 08:18.22 | zenzio | "After claims that console versions Modern Warfare 2 had been recalled in Russia due to complaints from politicians and the gaming public over the infamous airport slaughter scene, it turns out the stories were completely untrue. Activision never released a console version of the game in Russia." |
| 08:18.29 | zenzio | go go investigative journalism |
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| 08:20.08 | Corrodias | lol |
| 08:20.42 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 08:22.30 | Ancu | When going from 0-450 chanting, please be sure to have a ton of vellum |
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| 08:30.50 | Fisker- | you wouldn't have a ton of vellum Ancu |
| 08:31.38 | Ancu | Why not? I have a scribe. I just have him make more when I run out. |
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| 08:50.30 | zenzio | http://toki-woki.net/p/scroll-clock/ |
| 08:50.43 | Zyn | would've been better if they only released it in North America |
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| 09:07.01 | Fisker- | The statement worried Marc Rotenberg, the executive director of the Electronics Privacy Information Center (EPIC), who felt that Redmond was crazy to let the spooks near the software as they would almost certainly want to stuff something into it to spy on people. |
| 09:07.03 | Fisker- | epic name |
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| 09:09.14 | mikma | tekkub: http://www.geekologie.com/2009/11/snap_crackle_pork_baconflavore.php |
| 09:09.42 | Fisker- | haste_ men |
| 09:10.05 | Fisker- | awww mikma |
| 09:10.08 | Fisker- | now i'm hungreh |
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| 09:14.35 | Shirik | Fisker- |
| 09:14.39 | Shirik | why so hungry? |
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| 09:15.02 | Fisker- | because of you |
| 09:16.09 | Shirik | oh |
| 09:16.13 | Shirik | would you like to eat me? |
| 09:16.17 | Shirik | ok that was probably too much |
| 09:16.20 | Shirik | I need to go to sleep |
| 09:16.52 | ccox | shirik - what, moving the sensor? That's old. Imacon started it, then Hassie bought them up. |
| 09:17.46 | Shirik | that's proooooooo |
| 09:18.02 | ccox | that's expensivvvvvvvvvvvve |
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| 09:18.18 | Shirik | yes |
| 09:18.20 | Shirik | but so pro |
| 09:18.31 | ccox | could be |
| 09:18.58 | Shirik | I assume those devices don't even use a bayer array huh? |
| 09:19.06 | ccox | they do |
| 09:19.21 | ccox | the multishot trick is to minimize the bayer pattern |
| 09:19.22 | Shirik | why? |
| 09:19.25 | Shirik | Isn't that inefficient? |
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| 09:19.56 | Shirik | I thought the purpose of multishot was to maximize pixel density by capturing r, g, and b at every point |
| 09:19.58 | ccox | put the sensor on a piezo stepper, shoot 3 or 4 shots so each pixel position overlaps each filter color |
| 09:20.01 | Shirik | I hate you Dolby |
| 09:20.13 | ccox | Shirik - each capture has a bayer pattern |
| 09:20.21 | Shirik | but why |
| 09:20.37 | Fisker- | i would eat you Shirik |
| 09:20.41 | ccox | Shirik - then you combine all of them, and CAN avoid the normal demosaicing, but probably still want some demosaic logic |
| 09:21.02 | ccox | Shirik - what pattern would you use? |
| 09:21.24 | Shirik | well the pattern is irrelevant |
| 09:21.25 | ccox | Shirik: the filters are fixed, and have to work for single shot (motion) as well as multishot (studio, no motion) shots |
| 09:21.30 | Shirik | because it's not that you have R, G, B |
| 09:21.36 | Shirik | they're all on top of each other |
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| 09:21.46 | Shirik | every pixel is the same data |
| 09:21.49 | Shirik | pixelel? |
| 09:21.54 | Shirik | I like pixelel, we'll call it that |
| 09:21.56 | ccox | Shirik - only in the multishot mode, and only if you ignore sampling theory entirely :-) |
| 09:22.15 | Shirik | sure I'm greatly oversimplifying it |
| 09:22.35 | Shirik | and yes, of course I mean multishot |
| 09:22.35 | ccox | but you could go to a 4 filter arrangement and get better color accuracy |
| 09:23.05 | Shirik | perhaps an alternative mechanism would be not to move the sensor |
| 09:23.10 | Shirik | instead, change filters |
| 09:23.15 | ccox | now, do you demosaic each shot, then combine; or combine then process? |
| 09:23.17 | Shirik | I guess that might be more difficult |
| 09:23.20 | Shirik | OR! |
| 09:23.28 | ccox | filterwheels have been done |
| 09:23.31 | Shirik | isn't there some mirror technology |
| 09:23.35 | Shirik | I forget what it's called |
| 09:23.40 | Shirik | like the mirrors move |
| 09:23.42 | Shirik | yes, in DSP |
| 09:23.44 | ccox | the old Leaf cameras had filterwheels (and lots of artifacts) |
| 09:23.44 | Shirik | that's it |
| 09:23.53 | Shirik | like you have a million tiny mirrors in DLP |
| 09:23.56 | ccox | DLP - mirrors move, ick |
| 09:24.05 | ccox | screen door in your face |
| 09:24.18 | Shirik | and you could direct it at 3 CCDs |
| 09:24.26 | Shirik | or through 3 filters andthe same CCD |
| 09:24.40 | ccox | and DLP can't be manufactured at high density (mems device, low res, low yield) |
| 09:24.46 | Shirik | fair enough |
| 09:24.58 | Shirik | I could see the filter wheel working though |
| 09:24.58 | ccox | 3 CCD with a dichroic splitter has been done |
| 09:25.20 | ccox | 3 CCD with a simple splitter and different filters has been done (badly) by Minolta back around 1995 |
| 09:25.22 | Shirik | tbh a filter wheel seems to be a hell of a lot simpler than moving the CCD a precise amount |
| 09:25.47 | ccox | yes, it is simpler, but MUCH slower |
| 09:26.17 | Shirik | why slower? |
| 09:26.19 | ccox | and you must have stable filters (no fading over time), no vignetting, and minimize interference with the glass planes |
| 09:26.28 | ccox | Shirik - you're moving something larger and more massive |
| 09:26.38 | Shirik | Well you would get it up to speed before the shot, sure |
| 09:26.39 | Shirik | surely |
| 09:26.44 | Shirik | this would cost battery power |
| 09:27.08 | ccox | Nope, nobody even tried to use a continuous spinning filter wheel |
| 09:27.15 | Shirik | oh really? |
| 09:27.22 | Shirik | why not? |
| 09:27.27 | ccox | that might work for video when the timing is well known, but not for photography when the timing isn't know |
| 09:27.28 | Shirik | I haven't done a power budget obviously |
| 09:27.37 | Shirik | mm good point |
| 09:27.41 | ccox | also, hauling around a gyroscope for a fashion shoot would SUCK |
| 09:27.48 | Shirik | But with a planetary gear you probably could still do it |
| 09:28.16 | Shirik | but |
| 09:28.23 | Shirik | that gets insanely complicated for something so simple |
| 09:28.24 | ccox | (should I tell him about linear CCD scanning back cameras?) |
| 09:28.38 | Shirik | tbh |
| 09:28.43 | Shirik | hauling around a gyroscope would be awesome |
| 09:28.55 | Fisker- | kisses Shirik |
| 09:28.56 | Shirik | be like "yo my camera's got a gyroscope in it" |
| 09:28.57 | ccox | for some things (helecopter shots) |
| 09:29.07 | ccox | they sell them |
| 09:29.18 | Shirik | I will buy one just to have it |
| 09:29.41 | Shirik | btw |
| 09:29.43 | Shirik | ccox |
| 09:29.45 | Shirik | are you a canon guy? |
| 09:29.58 | ccox | at the moment, yes |
| 09:29.59 | Shirik | good |
| 09:30.04 | Shirik | I have determined that Nikon is evil |
| 09:30.10 | Shirik | Here is my proof |
| 09:30.23 | Shirik | One of my professors uses emacs. I use vim. |
| 09:30.24 | ccox | Nikon isn't evil, just unenlightended in the ways of decent lenses |
| 09:30.35 | Shirik | He uses a Mac. I use Windows/Linux. |
| 09:30.40 | ccox | http://www.ken-lab.com/ |
| 09:30.41 | Shirik | He uses Nikon. I use Canon. |
| 09:30.53 | Shirik | Obviously all of these differences have "evil" on the left side |
| 09:31.12 | Corrodias | true |
| 09:31.14 | ccox | CounterProof - I use Mac, Win, Sun, and Linux |
| 09:31.19 | Corrodias | where does fujifilm fit in there? |
| 09:31.35 | ccox | I use emacs and BBEdit |
| 09:31.39 | Shirik | evil |
| 09:31.41 | Shirik | evillllllll |
| 09:31.46 | Shirik | that must be why you said only "at the moment" |
| 09:31.50 | Shirik | and not "of course!" |
| 09:32.05 | ccox | I used to use Nikon in college |
| 09:32.06 | Shirik | oh ccox did you see my discussion of lenses yesterday? |
| 09:32.14 | ccox | some of it, yes |
| 09:32.23 | Shirik | what is your opinion? |
| 09:33.02 | ccox | which part? |
| 09:33.13 | Shirik | ok |
| 09:33.33 | Shirik | I am trying to decide between a 100-200mm f/2.8L IS and 100-400 f/4.5-5.6L IS |
| 09:33.50 | ccox | I would go for the 100-200 |
| 09:33.53 | stuf | 100-200 |
| 09:33.57 | stuf | because 2.8 |
| 09:34.06 | ccox | personally, I went for the 70-200 2.8L IS |
| 09:34.10 | Shirik | sorry |
| 09:34.13 | Shirik | I meant 70-200 |
| 09:34.23 | ccox | it's a better lens in a dozen ways |
| 09:34.25 | Shirik | But see here's the problem |
| 09:34.34 | stuf | I'm thinking about getting the 70-200/2.8L IS, I have a sigma 70-200/2.8EX HSM, but it's breaking down and AF is slow. :( |
| 09:34.37 | ccox | heavy, but SOOOO nice and sharp and flexible |
| 09:34.49 | Shirik | I want the 2.8 because it's fast, but it may not get as close as I want |
| 09:34.58 | Shirik | on the other hand, the 100-400 is a bit slow, but I may not need the speed |
| 09:35.02 | Shirik | I do mostly nature shots |
| 09:35.06 | ccox | it depends on what you want to do |
| 09:35.18 | Shirik | I OCCASIONALLY do sports shots for my parents, e.g., my brother, etc. |
| 09:35.23 | Shirik | But that's not my primary use |
| 09:35.23 | ccox | I carry the 70-200, plus a 300mm prime and teleconverters |
| 09:35.30 | Shirik | That's one of the options I considered |
| 09:35.35 | Shirik | though I was thinking 400mm prime |
| 09:35.43 | ccox | (plus a 28-70 and a 16-35) |
| 09:35.51 | Shirik | I have heard the 2x actually works pretty well on the 70-200 |
| 09:35.59 | stuf | the 70-200 is awesome, I think my main turnoff with the 100-400 is that it's 100-400 - a longer zoom is always on the cost of image quality |
| 09:36.01 | ccox | 400 may be close to overkill for sports |
| 09:36.10 | ccox | that's getting into wildlife range |
| 09:36.17 | Shirik | well I do take those shots |
| 09:36.19 | Shirik | that's the problem |
| 09:36.25 | stuf | a 70-200/2.8L IS would be the best get ever to the addition to a 24-70/2.8L |
| 09:36.27 | Shirik | The majority of my shots are nature (including wildlife) |
| 09:36.28 | stuf | the 24-70 <3 |
| 09:37.05 | Shirik | I do have the 24-70/2.8L |
| 09:37.27 | ccox | then the 70-200 is the next big step |
| 09:37.34 | stuf | Shirik: awesome! |
| 09:38.05 | ccox | if you want longer, consider a 300 or 400 prime (f/4 until you can afford the big glass, and build up those scrawny arms to carry them) |
| 09:38.11 | stuf | 3.5 years ago I exchanged four lenses and some cash to a 24-70/2.8L, and I don't regret the decision |
| 09:38.17 | Shirik | the 300 and 400 are quite expensive though |
| 09:38.20 | stuf | also, the 400/5.6L is pretty good |
| 09:38.28 | Shirik | the 100-400 is a good deal |
| 09:38.31 | stuf | the 400/5.6L is a pretty good lens considering the price |
| 09:38.33 | Shirik | (though that tends to indicate something) |
| 09:38.35 | stuf | plus it's prime |
| 09:38.50 | stuf | I did use a 400/5.6L at one point, but couldn't afford it back then |
| 09:39.01 | Wobin | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v620/theweaselking/main4/winfail.png |
| 09:39.02 | stuf | I'd get that, or a 300/4L |
| 09:39.04 | Wobin | <3 Jeph |
| 09:39.05 | Shirik | the 400 f/5.6L has no IS on it which is a bit strange. Admittedly I use my tripod for pretty much everything |
| 09:39.10 | Shirik | but still |
| 09:39.24 | stuf | Shirik: you can always take the 200-500/2.8EX from sigma... ;--D |
| 09:39.39 | Shirik | link? |
| 09:39.41 | stuf | which is insane on its own merit, considering 200-500 2.8 |
| 09:39.49 | stuf | http://www.dpreview.com/news/0703/07030805sigma200500mm.asp |
| 09:39.51 | Shirik | that has got to be incredibly expensive |
| 09:39.57 | stuf | comes with its own battery for AF |
| 09:40.06 | stuf | looks like a weapon as well |
| 09:40.15 | stuf | so a good way to get busted in the US on terrorism grounds? |
| 09:40.37 | ccox | I think I'll pass on that suitcase, er, lens |
| 09:40.40 | Shirik | holy shit |
| 09:40.52 | stuf | but i mean |
| 09:40.55 | Shirik | I would buy that just because it looks awesome |
| 09:41.05 | stuf | 200-500mm is pretty good, but goddamnit, 2.8 over the whole focal length? |
| 09:41.15 | Shirik | I want to know the cost |
| 09:41.25 | stuf | someplace around 10k euros or so |
| 09:41.44 | ccox | look, if I want impressive glass, I'll buy a 1600mm off the sultan of Brunai |
| 09:41.48 | Shirik | only $29k http://www.amazon.com/Sigma-200-500-Ultra-Telephoto-Nikon-Cameras/dp/B0013DAPNU |
| 09:41.48 | stuf | a finnish store sells it for 16.6keuros |
| 09:41.59 | stuf | ccox: but that thing looks ugly :( |
| 09:42.19 | stuf | i'd rather get this http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/fisheyes/6mmf28.htm |
| 09:42.28 | stuf | which looks really perverted in some way |
| 09:42.28 | Shirik | LMAO |
| 09:42.33 | ccox | "Hey baby, mine's 1600mm, wanna take it for a ride?" |
| 09:42.43 | Shirik | best review ever |
| 09:42.46 | Shirik | go to that amazon link |
| 09:42.48 | Shirik | and read the first review |
| 09:42.50 | Shirik | it's hilarious |
| 09:42.53 | stuf | roughly 24cm diameter on a fisheye :f |
| 09:42.59 | stuf | haha wat |
| 09:43.13 | stuf | hahaha |
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| 09:43.48 | ccox | lol |
| 09:44.10 | ccox | second one isn't bad, either |
| 09:44.34 | stuf | i remember someone hitting the canon 1200mm lens on an xl-1 with an extender |
| 09:44.53 | stuf | something around 14.2x crop factor in the end |
| 09:44.57 | stuf | "hi" |
| 09:45.14 | Shirik | anyway, ccox, since you have experience with the 70-200 |
| 09:45.14 | stuf | "my focal length is 17 meters" |
| 09:45.22 | Shirik | have you considered the possibility of sticking a 2x on there? |
| 09:45.36 | Shirik | that would essentially give me 70-400 f/2.8-5.6 |
| 09:45.37 | ccox | Shirik - I've tried it, but the image quality suffers |
| 09:45.46 | Shirik | so you don't advise it |
| 09:46.08 | ccox | no, I don't advise a 2x converter (even Canon's) unless you can't help it |
| 09:46.18 | Shirik | Have you looked at their newer one? Supposedly it's significantly better |
| 09:46.18 | stuf | i'd be interested in seeing the image quality comparison between 70-200/2.8 with 2x extender @ 400/5.6, compared to say, 100-400/4-5.6 at full length |
| 09:46.27 | Shirik | like even better than their 1.4x |
| 09:47.12 | Shirik | but ok, you would advise I first pick up the 70-200, and then later look into picking up non-telephoto lenses to get further out? |
| 09:47.23 | Shirik | like a 300mm prime and a 1.4x extender? |
| 09:47.28 | Shirik | lua> 300 * 1.4 |
| 09:47.29 | lua_bot | Shirik: 420 |
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| 09:47.36 | ccox | No, I haven't - guess I'll have to borrow one and give it a try |
| 09:47.54 | ccox | yes, that would be my advice |
| 09:48.26 | ccox | lua> 300 * 1.4 * 1.6 |
| 09:48.27 | lua_bot | ccox: 672 |
| 09:48.34 | Shirik | but then the real question becomes.... |
| 09:48.35 | ccox | crop factor FTW |
| 09:49.00 | Shirik | do I get the 300mm f/4.5 or wait and pick up the f/2.8 |
| 09:49.12 | Shirik | f/2.8 is expensive |
| 09:49.20 | ccox | that depends a lot on your budget/income |
| 09:49.24 | Shirik | Well |
| 09:49.34 | Shirik | Right now I'm a student. I have like none. But soon it's going to skyrocket |
| 09:49.34 | ccox | and have you tried using one of the 300/2.8L lenses? |
| 09:49.42 | Shirik | I would before I buy it :) |
| 09:49.47 | Shirik | None of this is going to be bought soon |
| 09:49.55 | Shirik | I'm just getting prepared |
| 09:50.39 | ccox | to get prepared - hold a gallon jug of water at arms length for an hour, the 300/2.8 is a hefty beast |
| 09:50.45 | Shirik | rofl |
| 09:50.55 | ccox | almost demands a tripod and gimble mount |
| 09:51.05 | Shirik | Well I do almost always use a tripod |
| 09:51.18 | ccox | heh |
| 09:51.34 | Shirik | My tripod is intentionally chosen for the conditions in which I operate |
| 09:51.35 | ccox | for most of my wildlife shots, a tripod is too slow and gets in the way |
| 09:51.39 | Shirik | it also cost me a fortune :P |
| 09:51.56 | Shirik | oh please I can set up my tripod in seconds |
| 09:52.07 | Shirik | (if I need to) |
| 09:52.32 | Shirik | If I am taking a more relaxed shot I usually take some time, but for quick wildlife shots I can still whip it out and have everything ready in a few seconds |
| 09:52.42 | Shirik | it won't be perfect but it will be better than hand holding it |
| 09:52.51 | ccox | setting up isn't the problem, following the wildlife is the problem |
| 09:53.07 | Shirik | what kind of head? |
| 09:53.23 | ccox | I've got a couple of different ball heads |
| 09:53.32 | Shirik | you have trouble following with a ball head? |
| 09:53.40 | Shirik | I'm not sure I understand why |
| 09:53.56 | ccox | I have trouble following hawks, eagles, and hummingbirds with ANY head |
| 09:54.02 | Shirik | ah ok |
| 09:54.07 | Shirik | that's fair |
| 09:54.07 | ccox | unless they're kind enough to sit in a tree! |
| 09:54.24 | Shirik | I haven't tried to do flight shots |
| 09:54.33 | Shirik | though maybe I should get into that |
| 09:54.42 | Shirik | but that being said, you wouldn't advise dropping the IS, right? |
| 09:54.44 | ccox | and with wild cats, you don't have the seconds to set up the tripod |
| 09:54.52 | ccox | No, I don't advise dropping the IS |
| 09:55.01 | ccox | even on a tripod, the IS pays off |
| 09:55.06 | Shirik | yes I've been told that |
| 09:55.26 | Shirik | though, on my 24-70, I love the clarity. But that's a much shorter length too |
| 09:55.31 | Shirik | and that has no IS |
| 09:55.38 | Shirik | oh and btw @ your crop factors |
| 09:55.41 | Shirik | l2fullframe |
| 09:56.00 | ccox | L2carry more than 1 body luzer |
| 09:56.11 | Shirik | do I look like bill gates? |
| 09:56.18 | Shirik | do I look like I have $3 million in my bank account? |
| 09:56.41 | ccox | scrawny geek with a funny haircut - check |
| 09:56.43 | Shirik | I just replaced my whole camera outfit, I'm still trying to recover functionality of just one |
| 09:56.45 | Elkano | does bill gates look like he only has $3 million? ;) |
| 09:57.01 | ccox | 6 zeros after your bank balance - nope |
| 09:57.13 | Shirik | oh there are definitely 6 zeros |
| 09:57.23 | Shirik | there are just no significant digits before them |
| 09:57.23 | Elkano | but no leading nonzero? ;) |
| 09:57.25 | ccox | 2.000000 ? |
| 09:57.46 | Shirik | closer to 000000.34 |
| 09:57.48 | Shirik | Oh btw |
| 09:57.51 | Shirik | this is awesome |
| 09:58.47 | ccox | this what? |
| 09:59.15 | Shirik | ok the pictures got jacked up |
| 09:59.17 | Shirik | stupid cell phone |
| 09:59.18 | Shirik | but anyway |
| 09:59.32 | Shirik | Vending machine shows $99.95 and "Correct Change Only" |
| 09:59.37 | Shirik | for a coke |
| 10:00.47 | Shirik | anyway, you give an interesting differeing perspective |
| 10:00.56 | Shirik | until recently everyone was saying go with the 100-400 |
| 10:01.07 | Shirik | because I don't show a need for the f/2.8 |
| 10:01.37 | Shirik | which, I have to admit, I'm not entirely sure I do have a need for something that fast |
| 10:01.56 | Shirik | low light conditions tend to be in sunset shots, etc., where I can afford the exposure time |
| 10:02.04 | Shirik | wildlife shots are likely to be in bright light |
| 10:03.55 | zenzio | Cairenn: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/11/19/funny-pictures-are-currently-down/ |
| 10:04.08 | Cairenn | lol |
| 10:04.09 | ccox | it's not just the low light that makes 2.8 attractive -- it also means sharper pictures |
| 10:04.46 | Shirik | really? |
| 10:04.51 | ccox | for me wildlife shots are half in bright light, and half in "how can you see that" |
| 10:04.54 | ccox | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:05.00 | Shirik | Shouldn't a tighter picture be sharper? |
| 10:05.02 | Shirik | er |
| 10:05.04 | Shirik | tighter aperture |
| 10:05.07 | ccox | (under foliage, inside a dead tree, etc.) |
| 10:05.16 | ccox | Shirik: ooh, you failed optics, didn't you |
| 10:05.23 | Shirik | fuck physics :P |
| 10:05.40 | ccox | sigh, so much to explain |
| 10:05.43 | Shirik | :( |
| 10:05.46 | Shirik | I trust you |
| 10:05.47 | ccox | let me see if I can find a web site |
| 10:05.49 | Shirik | we can leave it at that |
| 10:06.37 | ccox | it's a direct result of fourier optics |
| 10:07.17 | Shirik | $2k for the 70-200 huh |
| 10:08.36 | ccox | $1700 at amazon right now |
| 10:08.59 | ccox | I have seen it on sale for $1500 |
| 10:09.28 | ccox | if it's out of your budget, then you need a different plan (like how to sell some photos and make money for better gear) |
| 10:11.01 | Shirik | it's not really what I would say "out of my budget" |
| 10:11.09 | Shirik | it's in the price range I was expecting easily |
| 10:11.17 | Shirik | It's just a matter of "how do I hit that price range" :) |
| 10:12.04 | Shirik | Until I actually start my job, it will take time for me to save up that money |
| 10:12.51 | zenzio | nothing can look as relaxed as a cat... http://dailysquee.com/2009/10/14/stella/ |
| 10:14.49 | Shirik | I am going to kill the person that insisted on bringing lolspeak into that, zenzio :) |
| 10:14.56 | zenzio | yeah |
| 10:14.56 | Shirik | sorry, no :) |
| 10:15.02 | Shirik | that was meant for the next thing I was going to say to ccox |
| 10:15.10 | Shirik | I am thinking WAY too fast |
| 10:15.14 | zenzio | hehe |
| 10:15.16 | Shirik | I can't believe my brain was a sentence ahead of my fingers |
| 10:15.33 | ccox | cut back on the caffeine |
| 10:15.34 | zenzio | clearly your multitasking needs more synchronisation |
| 10:15.44 | Shirik | no it was a bug |
| 10:15.58 | Shirik | the :) comes from a semaphore firing on end of sentence |
| 10:16.01 | zenzio | race condition? |
| 10:16.07 | Shirik | but we had two sentences |
| 10:16.18 | Shirik | so the :) was ready but the end of sentence caused the :) to be output |
| 10:16.24 | Shirik | but it was meant for the next one |
| 10:16.27 | Shirik | so yeah race condition |
| 10:16.45 | Shirik | which, I guess, is "needs more synchronization" |
| 10:16.49 | amro | wonders what happens when Shirik segfaults |
| 10:16.50 | zenzio | I have those often... my thoughts are usually half a sentence ahead of my typing |
| 10:16.56 | zenzio | makes for some horribly broken sentences |
| 10:17.08 | Shirik | amro: You've never had that thing where you're like half asleep and then suddenly jolt? |
| 10:17.45 | amro | Shirik: yeah, but I don't have to debug myself afterward |
| 10:17.53 | Shirik | well my friends hate me because I like talk to them |
| 10:17.55 | Shirik | but while typing |
| 10:18.01 | Shirik | so I will look at them while typing an entire sentence like this |
| 10:18.06 | Shirik | and be answering a completely different question |
| 10:18.11 | Shirik | and they just stare back like "wtf" |
| 10:18.43 | Shirik | anyway ccox, thanks, you offered some interesting insight |
| 10:18.52 | ccox | you're welcome |
| 10:18.58 | Shirik | the most interesting insight is the thoughts about what I could do if I actually picked up prime lenses to "round out" |
| 10:19.13 | Shirik | like, beyond the 70-200 are you saying "don't bother with telephoto"? |
| 10:19.24 | ccox | (and damit, all the good references on fourier optics and lens quality assume you already know a lot of optics) |
| 10:19.32 | Shirik | I know some optics |
| 10:20.05 | Shirik | but mostly it's with regards to focus, or concepts that I use for practical purposes in a camera (like the effects of aperture, etc.) |
| 10:20.11 | Shirik | I have a basic college education of optics |
| 10:20.49 | ccox | sadly, I have the physicists education of optics |
| 10:20.58 | Shirik | haha |
| 10:21.01 | Shirik | screw that |
| 10:21.11 | Shirik | I am willing to just trust you :D |
| 10:21.24 | Shirik | I don't need to turn into one of those EP students |
| 10:21.32 | Shirik | I have seen them walking around school like zombies |
| 10:23.07 | Shirik | (EP = Engineering Physics. Take physics, and apply engineering to it. You get Engineering Physics, a brutal field that I swear only exists for those people that want to justify their lack of a life.) |
| 10:23.28 | Shirik | They do all the typical physics stuff, quantum mechanics, etc. |
| 10:23.37 | Shirik | They also do all the engineering stuff to go along with it |
| 10:24.34 | ccox | bah, just learn the physics -- all the rest is easy after tht |
| 10:24.43 | Shirik | Our Master of Science in Engineering Physics (Space Science) program specifically emphasizes scientific instrumentation, applied optics, remote sensing, spacecraft subsystems (such as power, attitude and thermal control), and a wide variety of topics in space science and engineering. |
| 10:24.53 | Shirik | that's the master's part |
| 10:25.50 | ccox | heh, I did more than that as an undergrad |
| 10:26.43 | Shirik | well it's not physics :) |
| 10:26.54 | Shirik | you can't take physics and pack more into it and offer it in 2 years :P |
| 10:26.58 | ccox | but then, I actually tried to apply what I learned as much as possible - and learned more |
| 10:27.23 | ccox | anyway, it's late, and I need sleep |
| 10:27.28 | ccox | see you around |
| 10:27.52 | Shirik | here you go |
| 10:27.53 | Shirik | wait! |
| 10:27.58 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/129220 |
| 10:27.59 | Shirik | Catalog |
| 10:28.29 | Shirik | anyway |
| 10:28.30 | Shirik | me too |
| 10:28.31 | Shirik | night |
| 10:28.37 | Shirik | also, Cairenn is going to sleep too |
| 10:28.48 | Shirik | night Cairenn |
| 10:28.49 | Cairenn | night Shirik, sweet dreams |
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| 10:32.15 | Cide- | ~botmail for Fisker you're dead to me |
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| 10:34.46 | Fisker | :(? |
| 10:35.48 | Fisker | Shirik and Cide- my friend |
| 10:35.50 | Fisker | why so srs? |
| 10:38.24 | Wobin | You should be happy Fisker |
| 10:38.38 | Wobin | Cide correctly used "you're" on the internet |
| 10:41.37 | Wobin | what a great name |
| 10:42.04 | Wobin | Herman Van Rompuy! |
| 10:42.39 | Kalroth | ~botmail for Fisker Hey! |
| 10:42.49 | Kalroth | sweet |
| 10:44.56 | Wobin | the poor Irish =P |
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| 11:35.58 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:42.12 | Wobin | hm |
| 11:42.23 | Wobin | what dalaran recipe food do I want as a kitty? |
| 11:42.44 | Stanzilla | agility? |
| 11:42.50 | Stanzilla | armorpen? |
| 11:44.28 | Fisker | whiskas |
| 11:44.34 | Stanzilla | xD |
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| 11:48.03 | Vlakarados | bash this |
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| 12:18.42 | Vlakarados | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large trout |
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| 12:19.32 | Fisker | you can't stop me Vlakarados |
| 12:19.44 | Vlakarados | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:20.00 | Vlakarados | I can't stop myself either ;P |
| 12:26.17 | Bruners | haste_: are you sleeping? |
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| 12:28.28 | Fisker | he's dying |
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| 12:47.26 | Wobin | crai |
| 12:47.31 | Wobin | Torchlight refuses to load for me now =( |
| 12:48.37 | Kalroth | you broke it |
| 12:48.48 | Wobin | I totally did =( |
| 12:48.52 | Wobin | by not playing it |
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| 13:22.56 | Adys | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1540 |
| 13:25.20 | alestane | Tai is rather laid back about a lot of things. |
| 13:26.36 | zenzio | "You could tell it was bullshit when it didn't feature Jack Thompson challenging Vladimir Putin to a judo match." |
| 13:29.42 | Wobin | I'd pay to watch that |
| 13:29.54 | zenzio | indeed |
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| 13:44.17 | mitch0 | just downloaded wiz7 |
| 13:48.10 | alestane | Is that like Windows 7, only not from Muggles? |
| 13:49.57 | Wobin | .... 20g for a stack of wool cloth? |
| 13:50.34 | zenzio | it's hard to come by you know |
| 13:50.43 | zenzio | you have to like... stay in the same area for a while |
| 13:51.14 | mitch0 | alestane: no, it's the game. Crusaders of the Dark Savant |
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| 14:03.53 | haste_ | Bruners: nope, just not at home ;p |
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| 14:49.37 | Vlakarados | who knows where can I read good u10hm guides? |
| 14:50.48 | alestane | Since I'm not even positive what you mean (could be "Ulduar 10-man hard mode"), I'm not really the one to advise. |
| 14:50.56 | alestane | Good morning, Peppy. Are you warm now? |
| 14:51.01 | Vlakarados | yeah, it is |
| 14:52.11 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, yes, the super came and fixed it last night. Don't make me start swearing again about what was wrong with it... |
| 14:52.59 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/c/37942/arcanist-uovril/ |
| 14:54.16 | haste | Vlakarados: just watch some of the videos really |
| 14:54.28 | haste | Vlakarados: or read about what they do different on wowwiki |
| 14:54.42 | haste | Vlakarados: most of the hard-modes are pretty straight forward |
| 14:55.03 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/c/33921/nargle-lashcord/ |
| 14:57.37 | Adys | http://www.topcultured.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/thisisomegle.jpg |
| 14:57.42 | Adys | nsfw, text only |
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| 15:01.17 | alestane | Surreal moment: On Wednesday, one of my students told me that I sound just like Heath Ledger as the Joker in Batman: The Dark Knight. |
| 15:02.12 | Lopeppeppy_ | No. |
| 15:02.14 | Lopeppeppy_ | Not at all. |
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| 15:04.00 | alestane | Wasn't entirely sure what to make of that. |
| 15:04.12 | Lopeppeppy_ | You're crazy-tunes! |
| 15:04.23 | Lopeppeppy_ | is not helping! |
| 15:04.24 | alestane | Um, you've got something stuck on your nick.... |
| 15:04.52 | Lopeppeppy_ | Yeah, my wireless is being wonky. Not gonna get it fixed anytime soon, so I'm not bothering. |
| 15:05.09 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy_: try disconnecting and reconnecting the wireless cable |
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| 15:10.02 | Lopeppeppy_ | zenzelezz, they're doing cable work in the complex, it's not worth me doing much work until they're done. |
| 15:10.16 | zenzelezz | wonders if the joke was lost |
| 15:10.23 | Lopeppeppy_ | Oh. |
| 15:10.34 | Lopeppeppy_ | Yeah, I have a nasty cold, I did miss the joke. *pokes you in the eye* |
| 15:10.41 | zenzelezz | .( |
| 15:11.08 | alestane | O_x |
| 15:13.35 | olafski | adys: hm. so primordial saronite comes from emblems? |
| 15:14.30 | Adys | dunno |
| 15:14.30 | olafski | or perhaps that's just a way to improve the speed of the quest, having it also drop from mobs or something |
| 15:14.30 | Adys | i dont play wow |
| 15:14.55 | olafski | else I think it would be odd to see guilds forcing their members to spend emblems on primordial saronite to get another member his legendary axe ;) |
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| 15:22.42 | ZorbaTHut | I'd assume Primordial Saronite is the Orb of IC |
| 15:23.25 | ZorbaTHut | so, emblems and bosses, possibly with a higher drop rate from hardmode bosses |
| 15:24.30 | zenzelezz | you can't spell "democrat" without "emo" and "rat" |
| 15:26.00 | cbreak | sure you can |
| 15:26.00 | krka | fascinating |
| 15:26.03 | cbreak | "corrupt" |
| 15:26.06 | cbreak | see? :) |
| 15:26.19 | zenzelezz | that's a different word |
| 15:26.24 | zenzelezz | but it is a synonym |
| 15:26.25 | cbreak | details |
| 15:26.36 | cbreak | how about "republican" |
| 15:26.47 | cbreak | right, right, an other synonym... |
| 15:26.53 | cbreak | hmm... |
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| 15:28.07 | krka | you can't spell fart without art! |
| 15:28.16 | krka | or cow without ow |
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| 15:33.42 | NiLon | zenzelezz sure you can, "fucker" |
| 15:33.59 | zenzelezz | NiLon: again, different word, even if it is a synonym |
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| 15:34.25 | NiLon | but you pronounce is same way |
| 15:34.29 | NiLon | it* |
| 15:35.55 | zenzelezz | you must have a weird dialect |
| 15:36.18 | NiLon | and based on that study "dmercaot" can be read same way :P |
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| 15:38.09 | alestane | Can anyone recommend a good alternative to Simple Machine Forum, or assert that the security issues I've heard about in SMF are a thing of the past? |
| 15:38.27 | Kraps | HEALTHSTONES! APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE FOREHEAD! |
| 15:38.29 | Kraps | HEALTHSTONES! APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE FOREHEAD! |
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| 15:38.31 | Shiibot | Channel locked temporarily. Elapsed time: 3679 minutes |
| 15:38.58 | alestane | That was surreal... |
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| 15:40.25 | nicoli_s | what avout IPB, ive heard good things about it for forum software |
| 15:40.32 | cbreak | fascinating |
| 15:40.55 | Kraps | thanks |
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| 15:41.10 | Seerah | bad Kraps :P |
| 15:41.22 | Kraps | :( |
| 15:43.29 | NiLon | lol locked only for 2 days and 13 hours :) |
| 15:44.18 | alestane | nicoli_s: While I will agree that good software is worth paying for, my budget for this prject is negligible and IPB does cost money. |
| 15:44.36 | nicoli_s | ahh |
| 15:46.40 | alestane | Know anything about NextBBS? |
| 15:48.14 | nicoli_s | not me |
| 15:51.26 | Trela | nicoli_s: IPB is OMG amazing. |
| 15:51.58 | Stanzilla | nicoli_s: the new version 3 is cool, the 2.x not so |
| 15:52.49 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/bank_robbery_comic.jpg |
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| 16:02.06 | Lopeppeppy | has no tail! |
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| 16:04.39 | Aelobin | mikma: haha thats awesome |
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| 16:17.47 | alestane | Why can't spreadsheet programs use SENSIBLE languages for custom functions? |
| 16:18.27 | cbreak | spreadsheet programs? |
| 16:18.47 | alestane | Excel, OO.o Calc. |
| 16:18.47 | zenzelezz | MOV A1:B1 |
| 16:18.47 | cbreak | like excel? |
| 16:18.49 | zenzelezz | SUB C2 |
| 16:18.55 | cbreak | because it's from microsoft |
| 16:19.00 | cbreak | so it has to use something visual |
| 16:19.04 | cbreak | which makes brains hurt |
| 16:19.10 | alestane | OpenOffice.org is just as bad. |
| 16:19.52 | cbreak | are custom functions important? |
| 16:20.19 | alestane | In my case, they're significant, because I need to count the number of answers a student has given that match the original key. |
| 16:20.41 | cbreak | uhm... and you use a spreadsheet for that? |
| 16:20.44 | krka | trying to program in excel always gives me headaches |
| 16:21.02 | alestane | cbreak: It generally takes much longer to do it by hand, once I got the original function. |
| 16:21.28 | cbreak | maybe a database would work better. |
| 16:21.51 | krka | would be fun to plug lua into excel or open office |
| 16:21.54 | alestane | But everyone now and then some new student throws me a corner case that the function wasn't designed to account for, like checking off multiple answers where only one was expected. |
| 16:22.39 | alestane | krka: OO.o suppoedly supports Python, but at a level where you really need to supply Python extensions as plug-ins, rather than just defining new functions in the editor. |
| 16:23.27 | alestane | cbreak: A database wouldn't solve the basic problem. |
| 16:23.51 | cbreak | yes, but you could program them in C! :) |
| 16:24.13 | alestane | ...I'm trying to make this EASIER. |
| 16:24.21 | cbreak | C++? :) |
| 16:24.35 | cbreak | maybe... *shiver* PHP or Python |
| 16:25.19 | alestane | Honestly, I could deal with C. OpenOffice.org is about as usable as Visual Basic for Applications, and just different enough that they're not always compatible. |
| 16:26.09 | alestane | The worst part is, I could swear I've solved it, but the answers I'm getting back aren't what I expect. |
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| 16:32.54 | alestane | Or, maybe my logic is just bad. Time to see if I can make it work in Lua. |
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| 16:37.28 | Bruners | haste: are you sleeping now then? |
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| 16:38.10 | haste | Bruners: no :P ? |
| 16:38.24 | Bruners | xmonad isnt playing along :( |
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| 16:44.32 | alestane | Found my problem...I'm no trying to return a fractional value from a function defined as returning an integer. |
| 16:44.35 | alestane | now* |
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| 16:51.45 | Lunessa | Station. |
| 16:52.19 | alestane | NORM! |
| 16:52.43 | Lunessa | ... I think alestane just won the game. |
| 16:52.56 | alestane | Which game is this? |
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| 16:58.21 | Lunessa | The mind game I play with reality. You just GPF'ed my humor circuit by making me into Norm. |
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| 17:02.50 | alestane | wins! |
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| 17:11.56 | cogwheel | hmm... wonder if this is why my legs and back have been sore recently... http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/context.jpg |
| 17:13.07 | cogwheel | or maybe it was Fisker's mom |
| 17:15.21 | Fisker | i don't feel so well cogwheel |
| 17:17.56 | zenzelezz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhMzKGWw2Bk&feature=player_embedded# |
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| 17:26.14 | cogwheel | Fisker: must be the heartache knowing you'll never be able to know your mom like i do |
| 17:28.30 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.10 | Fisker | you killed me dead cogwheel |
| 17:30.54 | cogwheel | hums the final fantasy victory fanfare |
| 17:32.13 | Hjalte | goes ding, ding, ding as we pass through the menus |
| 17:33.03 | industrial | plays agressive horror themed pounding hard electronic music |
| 17:33.16 | industrial | (german vocals!) |
| 17:34.03 | industrial | das ende ist naaaaaa wo ist dein gott! |
| 17:35.27 | cogwheel | bleeter: lawl |
| 17:36.37 | Sesshu | http://www.login2life.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/kungenframe_autogramm.jpg |
| 17:37.23 | cogwheel | au uses DD/MM/YY, right? |
| 17:37.50 | Fisker | why would you frame something like that Sesshu ? |
| 17:38.37 | Sesshu | i didn't make that pic |
| 17:39.21 | Sesshu | and i haven't a frame like that one |
| 17:39.27 | Sesshu | :| |
| 17:39.31 | industrial | zat was not ze queztion! |
| 17:39.38 | industrial | whips |
| 17:39.41 | Sesshu | pft |
| 17:40.07 | Lunessa | That frame is sort of... baroque. |
| 17:40.13 | industrial | we can zo zis ze eazy or ze hard way mizter bond |
| 17:40.29 | Sesshu | i wouldn't frame it like that @fisker |
| 17:40.53 | industrial | Sesshu: your sarcasm detector is broken :( let me fix it for you |
| 17:41.05 | Sesshu | industrial youre hard to read |
| 17:41.17 | Sesshu | tz |
| 17:41.22 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/250818681 |
| 17:41.41 | industrial | Sesshu: read it whiz a german english accent :p |
| 17:42.28 | Sesshu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqPfzTYwlrI |
| 17:54.01 | alestane | Wow, apparently Auctioneer is a touchy subject. |
| 17:54.31 | alestane | In about an hour and a half that thread has passed four pages. |
| 17:55.30 | Adys | !api rightclick |
| 17:55.30 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'rightclick'. |
| 17:55.32 | Adys | !api right |
| 17:55.33 | lua_bot | Found 10 possible results for 'right': IsRightControlKeyDown, TurnRightStart, MoveViewRightStart, StrafeRightStop, MoveViewRightStop, Region:GetRight, IsRightAltKeyDown, TurnRightStop, IsRightShiftKeyDown, StrafeRightStart |
| 17:55.48 | Lunessa | http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp11142009.shtml - some language is NSFW |
| 17:57.09 | alestane | Lunessa: Yes, I wasn't entirely sure whether I 'ought' to be as amused as I as by that. |
| 17:57.11 | Adys | just weird |
| 17:57.24 | Lunessa | alestane: That's why it's brilliant. |
| 17:57.34 | Adys | her face on 4th panel is epic |
| 17:59.00 | ZorbaTHut | alestane, which thread? |
| 17:59.17 | alestane | It's right under the stickies in the US forum/ |
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| 17:59.44 | Shirik | !reload |
| 17:59.45 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 17:59.48 | Shirik | Kraps, why did you do that |
| 18:00.03 | alestane | ZorbaTHut: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21042560533&sid=1 |
| 18:00.12 | Kraps | Shirik: hur |
| 18:00.30 | ZorbaTHut | man, auctioneer is the only thing that keeps the WoW economy sane |
| 18:00.31 | Kraps | i was testing it |
| 18:00.38 | Kraps | <_< |
| 18:00.39 | NightHawkTheSane | flollops |
| 18:00.40 | Kraps | >_> |
| 18:01.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: >.> you think so? i suspect you and I have differing values of sane? :P |
| 18:01.53 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, it keeps the UI easy enough to use that people can actually do production and post things without agonizing over prices and keeping huge manual tables |
| 18:02.51 | ZorbaTHut | without it, the auction system would be far *more* abused. (although even better would be to take on an Eve-Online style AH) |
| 18:02.54 | Shirik | nicoli_s: Going way way back |
| 18:02.56 | Shirik | or alestane |
| 18:03.07 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:03.08 | Shirik | IBF is fucking awesome, and SMF is crap |
| 18:03.18 | Shirik | IPB* |
| 18:03.30 | alestane | Any opinion on NextBBS? I can't justify $150 |
| 18:03.36 | Shirik | never heard of it |
| 18:04.12 | alestane | My needs for a forum manager are not huge. My main concern is that someone not hack my users' emails or other sensitive information out of it. |
| 18:04.58 | alestane | I tried installing SMF once, but never even got it fully up and running before I started hearing of gaping security flaws. |
| 18:05.51 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: okay, thats fair enough then. |
| 18:06.14 | nicoli_s | alestane, phpbb is supposed to be pretty good |
| 18:06.24 | nicoli_s | and punbb is secure, but less featureful |
| 18:06.35 | NightHawkTheSane | nicoli_s: ... re:phpbb, i can't tell, is that sarcasm? :P |
| 18:06.54 | *** join/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@141.222.80.52) |
| 18:06.54 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 18:06.56 | nicoli_s | nope, i just asked around the office and reported what they said |
| 18:07.20 | alestane | That's more of a lead than I've had previously. |
| 18:07.23 | NightHawkTheSane | nicoli_s: *nod* around here, it could easily have been biting sarcasm, so. :) |
| 18:07.44 | nicoli_s | and ckknight suggested punbb, so yell at him if it sucks |
| 18:08.09 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm actually rather fond of punbb |
| 18:08.26 | NightHawkTheSane | its nice and simple, but yeah, much less featurefull than most forums |
| 18:08.44 | ckknight | waves at the nice people |
| 18:09.03 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: I've heard good things about vBulliten too, but that's also commercial software, iirc. |
| 18:10.20 | Lopeppeppy | waves at all the not-nice people. |
| 18:10.42 | NightHawkTheSane | waves back at Lopeppeppy |
| 18:14.55 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 18:14.58 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:15.04 | Fisker | leave Lopeppeppy |
| 18:15.06 | Fisker | alone |
| 18:15.09 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:15.16 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik. |
| 18:15.25 | Lopeppeppy | licks Fisker from whisker to whisker! |
| 18:16.59 | NightHawkTheSane | I need something hooked up to my brain to write down all the things I think of that I need to do but later forget. |
| 18:18.19 | Lunessa | NHTS - So a notepad on a a necklace isn't going to cut it, no? |
| 18:18.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: unlikely. :P |
| 18:18.58 | Lunessa | Right. Staples it is then. |
| 18:19.11 | NightHawkTheSane | the problem is, I think of things when I'm in no position to record them. Half-asleep in bed, in the shower, walking to work.. and then twenty minutse later i've completely forgotten. |
| 18:19.53 | Lopeppeppy | NHTS, a waterproof recording pen. |
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| 18:20.26 | Lunessa | NHTS - I used to solve my most thorny code problems in the car on the way home. My hour+ commute was good for that. |
| 18:21.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yeah, i do that too. But often I'm actually focused on that problem, its not just something that pops into my head somewhat-randomly. |
| 18:22.32 | Lunessa | My hind brain apparently is a better programmer than my forebrain. What this says about me is anyone's guess. |
| 18:22.42 | NightHawkTheSane | has been bugged by this feeling there was some important thing he needed to do at work, but can't remember for the life of me. |
| 18:24.20 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 18:24.47 | Shirik | Lunessa: You like it from behind? |
| 18:24.55 | Shirik | ok maybe that was a bit overboard |
| 18:25.22 | Thunder_Child | like the topic comment? |
| 18:25.31 | Shirik | No |
| 18:25.33 | Shirik | that is not fair |
| 18:25.39 | Shirik | That is Dolby being evil |
| 18:25.48 | Thunder_Child | i was there when you said it |
| 18:25.49 | Seerah | hehehe |
| 18:25.53 | Thunder_Child | it is perfectly valid |
| 18:26.23 | Lunessa | Shirik: Are you offering? 'Cause it's not gay if I'm pitching. |
| 18:26.37 | ckknight | false, Lunessa |
| 18:26.40 | Shirik | rofl |
| 18:26.42 | ckknight | depends how much thrust you have |
| 18:26.48 | ckknight | i.e. too much and the balls might touch |
| 18:27.03 | Lunessa | Holy shit CK - you doing shots in the office again? |
| 18:27.10 | ckknight | lulz |
| 18:27.10 | ckknight | no |
| 18:27.11 | haste | ~botmail tekkub update your loot whore weight scales, plox! |
| 18:27.13 | Seerah | personal experience? |
| 18:27.35 | ckknight | nah, I don't find guys attractive, Seerah, so sorry if that ruins some of your fantasies. |
| 18:28.01 | Seerah | no worries - no fantasies about 2 guys here :p |
| 18:28.04 | haste | ~botmail for tekkub update your loot whore weight scales, plox! |
| 18:28.10 | haste | thar |
| 18:28.18 | zenzelezz | Seerah: what about 2 girls? |
| 18:28.22 | Seerah | nope |
| 18:28.26 | zenzelezz | :( |
| 18:28.35 | krka | what about if you add one cup? |
| 18:28.45 | Seerah | :P |
| 18:29.09 | haste | krka: 1 guy 1 cup is much better |
| 18:29.18 | Lopeppeppy | Now they're turning off my water. I hate these people. |
| 18:29.20 | haste | krka: alternativly 1 guy 1 screwdrive, as it's the same guy |
| 18:29.29 | krka | http://xkcd.com/467/ |
| 18:29.33 | krka | <3 |
| 18:31.25 | Fisker | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:31.36 | Fisker | you cannot stop me |
| 18:34.07 | haste | yes I can! |
| 18:34.09 | haste | stops Fisker |
| 18:35.30 | Ginji | Lopeppeppy: sand gnomes? |
| 18:35.55 | Lopeppeppy | Only imperial stormtroopers are this precise |
| 18:36.08 | Ginji | hehe |
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| 18:37.33 | Fisker | unstops self |
| 18:38.15 | theorbtwo | ...not that you'd know they're precise, from the way they shoot most of the time. |
| 18:39.30 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 18:39.42 | Shirik | It sound slike the people running your apartment are the same that are running mine |
| 18:41.35 | Thunder_Child | why isnt there a 'report error' button on wowhead damit |
| 18:42.06 | theorbtwo | Because then somebody would have to read the bugreports, most of which would be wrong anyway. |
| 18:42.24 | theorbtwo | Instead, they just hope that more data collection will make their algorithm work out. |
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| 18:56.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Hm. Question for someone familiar with linux: do I have to do anything special to get files in /etc/cron.d to be run correctly by cron? |
| 18:56.57 | Lopeppeppy | Sacrifice a goat |
| 18:57.11 | Kannonball | which linux are you running? |
| 18:57.41 | cbreak | what does crontab say? |
| 18:57.47 | Ginji | NHTS: aren't those files in the cron of root? |
| 18:58.02 | cbreak | I think it has to be edited with "visudo" |
| 18:58.05 | Ginji | Oh nope |
| 18:58.11 | NightHawkTheSane | ubuntu linux |
| 18:58.39 | Ginji | what the, where's my cron?! |
| 18:58.43 | Kannonball | if you have a gui you can check Scheduled tasks and config from there |
| 18:59.07 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: does it? you can't just stick a file with the appropriate cron line in it in /etc/cron.d ? |
| 18:59.14 | NightHawkTheSane | no gui, this is on a server |
| 18:59.38 | cbreak | no idea. On OS X there's no /etc/cron.d |
| 18:59.48 | cbreak | cron only works with crontab stuff here |
| 19:00.05 | cbreak | (but on the other hand, cron is only kept for backwards compatibility |
| 19:00.14 | cbreak | and launchd is the usual way) |
| 19:00.23 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* |
| 19:00.34 | Ginji | NHTS: there are supposed to be several folders in /etc/cron.d |
| 19:00.38 | NightHawkTheSane | i know how osx works, but the server we're running is using ubuntu |
| 19:00.58 | Kannonball | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto |
| 19:01.07 | Ginji | Ohh, wait, now I'm mistaken |
| 19:01.07 | Kannonball | dunno if that helps |
| 19:03.22 | NightHawkTheSane | blugh, thats just saying (if i'm reading it correctly) that you only need to stick the file in there. |
| 19:03.30 | Ginji | Or a symlink |
| 19:03.38 | Ginji | But yes |
| 19:03.47 | Ginji | You could just do `crontab -e` |
| 19:03.55 | Ginji | and edit the crontab for the current user |
| 19:04.09 | NightHawkTheSane | again, this is a server, user based crontab is not what i want to do |
| 19:04.23 | Ginji | Then use the files |
| 19:04.35 | durcyn | there's no such thing as a cron that doesn't run as a particular user, the only difference is root's crontab vs /etc/cron.foo |
| 19:04.55 | Ginji | both are run as root |
| 19:05.34 | cbreak | whoa, security hole |
| 19:05.37 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn: er, yeah, i know. |
| 19:05.48 | Ginji | Not really, only root can write there |
| 19:05.56 | NightHawkTheSane | what i mean is, the way the system is set up, i want to use the /etc/cron.d directory. It's the easiest and cleanest solution |
| 19:06.00 | durcyn | also, most cron daemons treat /etc/cron.d as extensions of /etc/crontab |
| 19:06.01 | cbreak | user crontabs should be executed as user |
| 19:06.11 | durcyn | which has an additional field for the uid |
| 19:06.33 | durcyn | # m h dom mon dow user command |
| 19:06.46 | Ginji | If a cron tasks needs to be executed on a schedule other than hourly, daily, weekly, or monthly, it can be added to the /etc/cron.d directory. |
| 19:07.03 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn: *nod* my original question was "is there something other than just putting a file with the appropriate cron line in /etc/cron.d to get it to work" |
| 19:07.09 | Ginji | All files in this directory use the same syntax as /etc/crontab. |
| 19:07.19 | durcyn | NHTS: and i'm telling you how to format that line |
| 19:07.29 | durcyn | it's not the same as a user crontab |
| 19:07.30 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn: i know how to format that line, that wasn't the question. :) |
| 19:07.34 | durcyn | ugh. |
| 19:07.39 | Ginji | NHTS; what are you trying to do then?! |
| 19:07.40 | durcyn | is this vixie? |
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| 19:08.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Ginji: right now, i'm trying to determine why the cron job did not run as it should have. thus my original question. |
| 19:08.22 | Kannonball | might be permissions |
| 19:08.33 | Ginji | Set up proper variables |
| 19:08.38 | NightHawkTheSane | I know -how- cron works, i know -how- to format the lines for /etc/cron.d, (and i have, and will again, recheck the file to make sure its correct) |
| 19:08.40 | Ginji | so that it mails any output |
| 19:09.03 | Ginji | Enviroment variables might be different under cron |
| 19:09.26 | Ginji | So if the program your executing relies heavily on that that might be your problem |
| 19:09.44 | NightHawkTheSane | It shouldn't be, but that's going to be my next step. |
| 19:09.48 | durcyn | NightHawkTheSane: anyway, this is ubuntu or what |
| 19:09.53 | Ginji | Yes |
| 19:09.55 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn: yes, ubuntu |
| 19:10.01 | durcyn | grep -i cron /var/log/syslog |
| 19:10.09 | cogwheel | ~seen maul |
| 19:10.12 | purl | maul <n=chatzill@71.16.45.228> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 210d 21h 25m 11s ago, saying: 'Actually, the string in question is 11622 characters in length, you get 30k if you include all the other text strings, which are readable, mostly credits'. |
| 19:10.13 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, good idea. |
| 19:11.32 | durcyn | also, screw them for using fcron by default |
| 19:11.44 | Ginji | screw ubuntu |
| 19:12.02 | Ginji | It's fine for my laptop, but cba on my desktop |
| 19:12.17 | Ginji | I prefer RicerOS over ubuntu anytime |
| 19:13.10 | NightHawkTheSane | shrugs |
| 19:13.17 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm not in charge of the server, so meh. |
| 19:13.37 | Ginji | the LTS is nice for a server though |
| 19:13.47 | NightHawkTheSane | thanks for the help, by the way. :) |
| 19:13.54 | Adys | A compromise has been reached today, called anisotropic mip-mapping. In the case where an anisotropic filter is needed, a higher resolution mipmap is used, and several texels are averaged in one direction to get more filtering in that direction. This has a somewhat detrimental effect on the cache, but greatly improves image quality. |
| 19:13.57 | Adys | AKA "Wait long enough and we'll have enough vram to make a 'compromise'" |
| 19:15.00 | Ginji | In 10 years we'll have photorealistic real-time rendering, so they'll have to make games with a proper story! |
| 19:15.21 | durcyn | nope, just female characters with bigger tits |
| 19:15.52 | Ginji | And real physics! |
| 19:16.28 | Ginji | I guess that would really outlow rapelay |
| 19:16.30 | Riffage | isnt that what they said 10 years ago? :p |
| 19:16.33 | Ginji | s/low/law/ |
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| 19:24.21 | Lunessa | Face it - if you want to sell games to young men - you put in boobs. |
| 19:24.46 | Lopeppeppy | I think they're dumping water in my internets, things have slowed to a craaaaaawl suddenly... |
| 19:27.37 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, and if you want to sell to young women, you also put in boobs |
| 19:27.55 | Lopeppeppy | The cake is a lie, but it sold well. |
| 19:28.05 | Thunder_Child | and had boobs Lopeppeppy |
| 19:28.33 | Lopeppeppy | Did it, I thought it only had guns |
| 19:28.46 | Thunder_Child | the main char was female |
| 19:28.48 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: True. And if you want to sell it to creepy old men, you tell them that young girls are buy it 'cause of the boobs. |
| 19:28.49 | Thunder_Child | eg. you |
| 19:29.17 | Lopeppeppy | Computer. |
| 19:29.18 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, good games sell well because they're good. |
| 19:29.31 | NightHawkTheSane | poor games sell well because they have boobs, explosions, and guns |
| 19:30.08 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly, the latter tends to do better than the former, because it's cheaper, easier, and faster to make a shitty game with boobs, guns, and explosives than it is to make a solid game with engaging gameplay. |
| 19:30.17 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, whats the last game that sold really well but didnt have the 3? |
| 19:30.22 | Lopeppeppy | Mediocre games don't sell at all, being neither good, nor stuffed with "lures" |
| 19:30.27 | Thunder_Child | maybe peggle, but i dont know how well it sold |
| 19:30.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: honestly, I couldn't tell you, because I really haven't followed the gaming scene heavily very lately |
| 19:31.08 | Lopeppeppy | Bejeweled! |
| 19:31.50 | Yssaril | Thunder_Child: TF2 doesn't have a female class (though the anouncer is a female voice) |
| 19:32.02 | Thunder_Child | Yssaril, has guns and explosions |
| 19:32.05 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, my point is that a games that are good even w/o the 3 have one or more, just because. |
| 19:32.06 | NightHawkTheSane | although I really would NOT put portal into the 'boobs guns and explosions' class. |
| 19:33.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: arguably, but now we're getting into the difference between a GOOD game that has those because they are an intrinsic/necessary part of the game vs games that include them as lures. |
| 19:33.58 | Thunder_Child | right, and i am saying even the good games have them as lures |
| 19:34.06 | Thunder_Child | just because it's the much better |
| 19:34.13 | Thunder_Child | look at the last CnC games |
| 19:34.23 | Lopeppeppy | In what way are they ever intrinsic to a game, beyond Leisure Suit Larry? |
| 19:34.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: well, boobs not so much |
| 19:34.46 | NightHawkTheSane | but depending on the game, guns and explosions |
| 19:34.56 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, TF2 without guns would be pretty uninteresting |
| 19:34.57 | Fisker | Pyro is female Yssaril |
| 19:35.00 | Lopeppeppy | The other two I'll grant you. |
| 19:35.22 | Lopeppeppy | Wolfenstein with the pyro would be boring! |
| 19:35.53 | NightHawkTheSane | but, to an extent, the concept of a female character could be just as important to the nature of the game as anything else. |
| 19:36.05 | NightHawkTheSane | unless you really want every character in every game to be male. |
| 19:36.30 | Lopeppeppy | No, female characters are fine. |
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| 19:37.33 | dylandog | let's try my luck in here :P |
| 19:37.48 | Thunder_Child | does your luck have to do with boobs? |
| 19:37.57 | dylandog | *sigh* |
| 19:38.06 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX9FOGFxN9A |
| 19:38.12 | dylandog | ./shrug |
| 19:38.20 | Lopeppeppy | TC, be nice. |
| 19:38.26 | Lopeppeppy | dylandog, just ask your question. |
| 19:38.28 | Thunder_Child | what Lopeppeppy, it's the topic |
| 19:38.29 | dylandog | does hairy man boobs counts? |
| 19:38.45 | Thunder_Child | siunce they dont sell video games, not really |
| 19:38.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: does that have boobs? |
| 19:38.51 | Lopeppeppy | TC, those were donuts we were discussing. |
| 19:39.04 | Thunder_Child | blinks @ Lopeppeppy |
| 19:39.06 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: No, I just felt like a random link think |
| 19:39.07 | Thunder_Child | since* |
| 19:39.49 | NightHawkTheSane | :( |
| 19:40.08 | dylandog | ok the question is, in my addon i'm using this code PetPaperDollFrameCompanionFrame:SetScript("OnShow", function() bla bla bla end) |
| 19:40.30 | dylandog | now on the first shift+p (shortcut for companions frame) everything works cool and bla bla bla is executed |
| 19:40.34 | dylandog | on the second one instead no |
| 19:40.56 | dylandog | now i tried to do something stupid like re-setting the script into the onshow itself |
| 19:40.59 | dylandog | and nothing changes |
| 19:41.10 | dylandog | i tried twice to find a solutiona aswell in #wowace without luck |
| 19:41.22 | industrial | Anyone wanna point out some obvious mistakes in an ERD? :p its for a blog with maybe a forum, (a)busing the posts as comments http://images.gammatester.com/pics/c9a61d899650d3162a60d1c5d1603bea.png |
| 19:41.56 | dylandog | Thunder_Child now if u fix this problem i might consider showing u my man boobs aswell |
| 19:42.11 | NightHawkTheSane | good times: reading 700 emails of "page not found" errors from some douche trying to find holes in your server by going to various urls like /phpmyadmin/admin.php |
| 19:42.31 | industrial | s/douche/douche's bot/g |
| 19:42.37 | NightHawkTheSane | well, yes |
| 19:42.45 | industrial | hes still a douche |
| 19:42.53 | industrial | :-) |
| 19:43.02 | dylandog | industrial i can't see any erd errors |
| 19:43.19 | dylandog | but i've 2 questions |
| 19:43.28 | Thunder_Child | dylandog, except i dont code, i just hang around in here to bug people like Lopeppeppy |
| 19:43.32 | industrial | dylandog: well any design flaws then :>? its an export from MySQL Workbench so its correct SQL.. |
| 19:43.35 | industrial | dylandog: sure |
| 19:43.55 | dylandog | well first of all, why there is no trace of "who edits the articles?" |
| 19:44.32 | industrial | an article has a user_id, certain user levels can always edit messages |
| 19:44.47 | industrial | I dont know if I should include an 'edited by X at Y' line and if so where to put it |
| 19:44.55 | dylandog | and 2nd, an article is made of 1 message, that 1 message can be part of other posts/articles ? |
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| 19:45.35 | industrial | ow woops I made one wrong connection :P |
| 19:45.56 | dylandog | aswell i don't get the meaning of "message" |
| 19:45.57 | Ycarene | Where's a good place to get a decent offhand sword/axe for a rogue? |
| 19:46.10 | dylandog | Ycarene toc25 anub? |
| 19:46.36 | industrial | dylandog: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/cc81780b35da7d4220c8730d3466c9cc.png |
| 19:46.54 | Ycarene | Heh, I'm not really that well geared, I was thinking of not going pst naxx25 |
| 19:47.16 | nicoli_s | ahh uml, havent seen that in a while |
| 19:47.19 | industrial | dylandog: the message is the content part in either an article or a post, a post being a reply to an article (so a comment but still threaded because it may have a parent post) or a forum post |
| 19:47.25 | dylandog | it ain't uml |
| 19:47.44 | dylandog | it's erd design |
| 19:47.48 | industrial | its a database model |
| 19:48.28 | industrial | figured that I learnt it in school why not use it. Certainly nicer then making up tables while you go :p |
| 19:48.34 | Kannonball | why did they let rogues use axes anyway |
| 19:48.48 | dylandog | ok let me get this in words, a user can have N post which are related to another post (hierarchically wtf spelling) |
| 19:49.04 | dylandog | the user aswell can write articles |
| 19:49.08 | industrial | yes |
| 19:49.12 | dylandog | both articles and posts are composed of messages |
| 19:49.17 | industrial | yes |
| 19:49.47 | dylandog | yeah looks about right to me |
| 19:49.53 | industrial | I could just give post and article a content field but I felt like doing it like this :p |
| 19:50.12 | dylandog | i just don't understand the difference between post and articles |
| 19:50.22 | dylandog | but in general looks ok to me |
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| 19:50.52 | dylandog | well unless u plan to reuse the same content in one article and one post |
| 19:50.56 | dylandog | it's obiously useless :P |
| 19:51.13 | dylandog | noooooo tekk was going to save my ass with my problem :( |
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| 19:51.26 | industrial | tek's been connecting/disconnecting all day. |
| 19:51.40 | dylandog | tekkub <3 can u help me? :P |
| 19:51.41 | industrial | hm actually I guess article is not needed and is a duplicate of post |
| 19:51.54 | dylandog | industrial yeah, incase i'd put down a flag |
| 19:51.59 | dylandog | like is_article |
| 19:52.09 | dylandog | *incase* |
| 19:52.22 | industrial | could just make the news one kind of board, appearing on the forum and differently on the frontpage :P |
| 19:52.42 | industrial | where one (or more) user group(s) can create posts \:D/ |
| 19:53.00 | dylandog | well that's the concept being SMF which is the cms used by mmo-champion.com aswell |
| 19:53.38 | nicoli_s | just write yer own |
| 19:54.51 | dylandog | so please? anybody with experience in PetPaperDollFrameCompanionFrame? :P |
| 19:55.56 | dylandog | goes in a corner and cry his heart out ... |
| 19:56.48 | dylandog | tries to stamp the floor really really hard trying to be read/heard |
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| 19:57.20 | dylandog | *echo* is anybody not afk here ? |
| 19:57.36 | dylandog | *body fk here* |
| 19:57.44 | dylandog | *fk* |
| 19:58.00 | dylandog | :) |
| 19:58.17 | ScytheBlade1 | so a guy calls up, a coworker answers |
| 19:58.22 | ScytheBlade1 | guy on the phone goes "if i sound a bit weird, it is because I'm under my desk plugging a mouse back in" |
| 19:58.26 | ScytheBlade1 | coworker goes "hey I'm under my desk too, but its because they're watching me" |
| 19:58.29 | ScytheBlade1 | guy on the other end just doubles up in laughter |
| 19:59.03 | dylandog | ScytheBlade1 i tell u an awesome joke if u sort my bug out :P |
| 19:59.07 | Thunder_Child | guess you had to be there ScytheBlade1 |
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| 20:01.12 | dylandog | ScytheBlade1 ? |
| 20:01.13 | Thunder_Child | dylandog, you could try finding an addon that uses that and see what it does |
| 20:01.15 | Fisker | ~kiss Fisker |
| 20:01.16 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker to give PProvost a big kiss on the lips |
| 20:01.43 | dylandog | Thunder_Child yeah, point me that please :P beacouse i could not find ANY |
| 20:02.10 | dylandog | that do that :P |
| 20:02.10 | Fisker | ~kiss Fisker |
| 20:02.11 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker to give Jiminizer2 a big kiss on the hand |
| 20:02.11 | Fisker | do it purl |
| 20:02.13 | ScytheBlade1 | dylandog: it is very hard to do that when I am typing on my phone |
| 20:02.24 | ScytheBlade1 | so, sorry, can't help you atm |
| 20:03.16 | dylandog | ScytheBlade1 under a desk trying to plug a mouse back in? |
| 20:05.05 | Thunder_Child | dylandog, you are altering it in some way i imagine? |
| 20:05.16 | NightHawkTheSane | murders all web APIs everywhere |
| 20:05.37 | dylandog | Thunder_Child i'm trying to make a new pet frame |
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| 20:05.59 | dylandog | i seen the preview of spartan ui and i love it, so since i cba to wait for them to finish developing it |
| 20:06.03 | dylandog | i wrote my own version of that :P |
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| 20:06.21 | Ginji | you could, I know it's silly but hear me out, help them |
| 20:06.27 | Thunder_Child | !api PetPaperDollFrameCompanionFrame |
| 20:06.28 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'PetPaperDollFrameCompanionFrame'. |
| 20:06.34 | Thunder_Child | !api PetPaperDollFrame |
| 20:06.35 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'PetPaperDollFrame'. |
| 20:06.40 | Thunder_Child | !api pet |
| 20:06.41 | lua_bot | Found 87 possible matches for 'pet'. Please be more specific |
| 20:06.45 | Thunder_Child | .... |
| 20:06.54 | Ginji | !api pet frame |
| 20:06.54 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'pet frame'. |
| 20:07.24 | dylandog | i wrote it all and works perfectly |
| 20:07.25 | Ginji | What? No AND search operator? |
| 20:07.41 | dylandog | the problem is that it doesn't replace the original frame |
| 20:07.52 | dylandog | and i /care about having to press on the minimap to summon my pet |
| 20:07.53 | dylandog | etc.. |
| 20:07.53 | Thunder_Child | dylandog, is it a similar frame to the companion and mount frames? |
| 20:08.04 | dylandog | aye |
| 20:08.08 | dylandog | http://img4.yfrog.com/img4/3637/wowscrnshot112009111944.jpg |
| 20:08.21 | Thunder_Child | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11051-PetList.html well that alters the others |
| 20:09.29 | dylandog | yea, this alter the inside of the default one |
| 20:09.35 | dylandog | look my screenshot, it's a complete different frame |
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| 20:11.04 | dylandog | i did look at that addon, basically it creates a custom frame and set the parenting to the default one |
| 20:11.17 | dylandog | i need anytime the default one is opened, mine is opened and the default one closed |
| 20:11.22 | dylandog | or something like that really |
| 20:12.48 | mikma | scytheblade1: that's horrible, my achievements have reseted :I |
| 20:15.55 | dylandog | *sigh* nobody can help me out *sigh* |
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| 20:18.18 | alestane | I missed what it was you were having problems with, I was getting ready for Monday's final. |
| 20:22.06 | Thunder_Child | it's only friday though |
| 20:22.16 | Thunder_Child | you have lots of time to procrasturbate |
| 20:22.28 | alestane | And if I have copies to make, I should do them while the workplace is open. |
| 20:22.35 | alestane | I'm giving the final, not taking it. |
| 20:22.52 | Thunder_Child | that should mean you have even more time |
| 20:23.10 | Lopeppeppy | No, a good teacher is prepared! |
| 20:23.12 | alestane | It's not a question of how long, but when. |
| 20:23.36 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, time to pack Rosiekins Frankencat up for her vet appointment. TTFN! |
| 20:23.46 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, but a great teacher doesnt have to be |
| 20:24.19 | dylandog | alestane u there? |
| 20:24.30 | alestane | Would I not be? |
| 20:24.58 | dylandog | dunno |
| 20:25.06 | dylandog | so maybe u can help me with my question? |
| 20:25.16 | alestane | Not sure what it is yet. |
| 20:25.46 | dylandog | ok let me bio and i explain |
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| 20:27.33 | dylandog | ok |
| 20:27.43 | dylandog | alestane i done this -> http://img4.yfrog.com/img4/3637/wowscrnshot112009111944.jpg |
| 20:27.57 | dylandog | it's a companion frame replacement (so far, i'd like to add other replacements later aswell) |
| 20:28.05 | Fisker | slaps dylandog around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:28.08 | alestane | Pkay. |
| 20:28.11 | alestane | Okay* |
| 20:28.12 | dylandog | now, i'd like this frame to open instead of the default one |
| 20:28.25 | dylandog | so i tought of |
| 20:28.45 | dylandog | adding PetPaperDollFrameCompanionFrame:SetScript("OnShow", function() showmyframe end); to the addon code itself |
| 20:29.27 | alestane | By itself that won't do it. |
| 20:29.50 | dylandog | ok, infact this works the first time only |
| 20:30.11 | dylandog | and the second time i try to open the pet frame it does open the default one |
| 20:30.19 | dylandog | how can i fix this? :P |
| 20:31.06 | alestane | There are a couple of approaches, although they pretty much all have their challenges. |
| 20:31.34 | olafski | long shot.. but: dylandog: did you use to play on darksorrow? :$ |
| 20:31.46 | alestane | What you'd normally do is look to see if there's a function that's normally used to call up that panel. |
| 20:31.51 | dylandog | olafski no :) and i'm from eu |
| 20:32.07 | olafski | yeh me too |
| 20:32.17 | olafski | your name seems familiar, as if you've been in my guild |
| 20:32.19 | olafski | but I guess not then |
| 20:32.25 | dylandog | no, btw only playing on silvermoon sorry |
| 20:32.28 | dylandog | *played |
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| 20:33.09 | dylandog | alestane tbh i'm bit lost in this, been trying almost all day to fix it, i can't find any addon that does that to learn/copypaste from, and neither looking at blizz code helped me out |
| 20:33.19 | dylandog | wowace didn't helped much either |
| 20:33.24 | dylandog | so i'm a bit lost on this |
| 20:34.07 | alestane | Also, you're up against an obstacle in that the frame you want to replace is a tab in a frame that you're not replacing. That's not so much a technical problem as a design one. |
| 20:35.54 | dylandog | alestane that wouldn't be a problem as in this addon i'd replace all of those tabs really |
| 20:36.12 | alestane | Including Player, Honor and CUrrency? |
| 20:36.40 | dylandog | yes |
| 20:36.47 | dylandog | that's what my addon would do |
| 20:37.14 | NightHawkTheSane | sighs |
| 20:37.29 | NightHawkTheSane | people who really don't understand the linux cli should not be allowed to run servers. |
| 20:38.22 | alestane | Well, in that case they'll normally be opening it from one of your other frames, rather than the existing frames, so you can include that code in your replacement frame. |
| 20:39.11 | dylandog | which code? |
| 20:40.18 | alestane | Whatever code you write to take the place of the tabs on the bottom of the Character frame. |
| 20:41.47 | dylandog | alestane yeah well the problem is that |
| 20:41.52 | dylandog | PetPaperDollFrameCompanionFrame:SetScript("OnShow", function() |
| 20:41.59 | dylandog | gets somehow overwritten after the first call |
| 20:42.17 | dylandog | so shift+p opens the default one instead of my frame after the first time it's used |
| 20:42.22 | dylandog | that is the "real" problem |
| 20:42.52 | alestane | Now, that code won't stop the built-in one from showing. |
| 20:43.14 | dylandog | sec i pastebin it |
| 20:43.14 | alestane | If you want the binding to open your frame instead of the stock one, you are probably better off using an override binding instead. |
| 20:43.15 | dylandog | it does :P |
| 20:43.32 | dylandog | override binding? |
| 20:43.38 | dylandog | http://pastebin.com/m6eb6953a <-- this is my code |
| 20:46.44 | dylandog | alestane meh gotta go ulduar undying |
| 20:46.46 | alestane | Point number 1: No point in hiding PetPaperDollFrameCompanionFrame if you're going to hide CharacterFrame on the next line. |
| 20:46.54 | dylandog | sorry go on i read :P |
| 20:47.11 | dylandog | ok point number 2? :P |
| 20:49.58 | dylandog | is Point number 2 related to "why the first time i press shift+p or click on pets this works and the second time it doesn't?" |
| 20:51.28 | alestane | Well, point number 2 was that you probably want to hide the UI panel in the OnShow handler for your own frame, rather than the hooked script. |
| 20:52.15 | dylandog | ok, what should i hook? |
| 20:53.13 | dylandog | which frame and which function |
| 20:53.36 | alestane | Well, the conceptually clean option, but which may create as many problems as it solves, is to include the following line in your frame creation code: |
| 20:53.36 | alestane | PetPaperDollFrameCompanionFrame = SGC.mainWindow. |
| 20:53.56 | alestane | Unfortunately, this is likely to lead to more headaches in the long run. |
| 20:54.28 | dylandog | i can't do that either |
| 20:54.34 | dylandog | beacouse if u look at the screenshot |
| 20:54.43 | dylandog | i got a main window (frame) and then like 5-6 subframes |
| 20:54.51 | dylandog | and one of the subframes is the one for the pet |
| 20:54.54 | dylandog | so i can't really do that |
| 20:55.34 | alestane | So what you're really looking do is something like...drek I don't think we can set a binding directly to a function. |
| 20:55.59 | alestane | There's no clean, easy way to do what you're looking at, they all involve about six steps. |
| 20:57.14 | dylandog | which are? :) |
| 20:58.11 | alestane | Well, to change what happens when someone presses your binding, you'll have to create a hidden button that you can bind the keystroke to. |
| 20:58.41 | alestane | Unless you already created a button that was supposed to open to that particular frame when the user clicked it. |
| 20:58.51 | dylandog | so basically ur point is |
| 20:58.56 | dylandog | don't bother? |
| 20:59.08 | alestane | My point is that you're coming at this the wrong way. |
| 20:59.31 | Adys | what's the method to append an item to a table? |
| 20:59.40 | alestane | If you're trying to do a complete replacement, then don't spend so much time worrying about making it work with the stock UI, it's not supposed to. |
| 20:59.44 | alestane | Adys: In Lua? |
| 20:59.44 | dylandog | table.insert(table, item) ? |
| 20:59.52 | Adys | insert? |
| 20:59.57 | dylandog | alestane yeah but then |
| 21:00.04 | Adys | doesn't insert.. insert? and not append |
| 21:00.11 | Adys | yeah in lua alestane |
| 21:00.17 | alestane | Adys: If you don't give it an argument it inserts at the end. |
| 21:00.23 | Adys | oh ok |
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| 21:00.34 | dylandog | the default ui will still be the one used when i press shift+p for example |
| 21:00.39 | dylandog | or c for the paperdoll frame |
| 21:00.41 | dylandog | and so on |
| 21:00.45 | dylandog | which is /meh |
| 21:01.18 | alestane | So make bindings that load your own UI elements, and move the keys to those. |
| 21:01.27 | dylandog | i mean what's the point of having made the addon if i still use the default one with the keybindings etc.. |
| 21:02.13 | alestane | It's easy enough to unbind >P and bind it to some function of your own. |
| 21:02.13 | dylandog | fair enough :P |
| 21:03.04 | alestane | You're probably going to find it a lot easier to point the key at your own function, than override the built-in function with your own code. |
| 21:05.43 | dylandog | ok :) |
| 21:05.45 | dylandog | thanks mate |
| 21:06.37 | Adys | lua>table.remove |
| 21:06.37 | lua_bot | Adys: function: 0x844b400 |
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| 21:25.11 | Fisker | hastens haste |
| 21:28.14 | Sesshu | http://blog.ncsa.uiuc.edu/aashish/files/2009/03/rapidshare_captcha.png <-- old but still funny |
| 21:28.50 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 21:28.54 | Shirik | why so Fisker Fisker |
| 21:29.12 | Fisker | no Shirik |
| 21:29.21 | Lunessa | If you're devolving into Kayne West memes, you must all die. |
| 21:31.46 | Shirik | Lunessa |
| 21:32.31 | Shirik | Yo dawg, why so I heard you like Kanye West memes, so we put a why so I heard you like Kanye West memes in your Kanye West memes so you can why so while you yo dog |
| 21:32.46 | Shirik | s/dog/dawg/ |
| 21:32.57 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart Shirik |
| 21:32.57 | purl | throws Shirik's poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 21:36.16 | Lunessa | drops a freakishly large whale and a bowl of petunias on Shirik, from orbit. |
| 21:36.23 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:40.27 | Ginji | Though the addition of "from orbit" is cute terminal velocity for both the whale and the flowers need much less distance |
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| 21:42.30 | Jamash | bwahahahaha |
| 21:42.35 | NightHawkTheSane | the addition of "from orbit" has far less to do with terminal velocity and more to do with epic works of literature |
| 21:42.49 | NightHawkTheSane | hands Ginji a copy of the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy, and locks him in a small room for a few days. |
| 21:43.04 | Dagmar | What? He hasn't read that? |
| 21:43.10 | Dagmar | revokes Ginji's geek badge. |
| 21:43.18 | Jamash | I thought they issued you a copy when you got your first modem |
| 21:43.19 | Dagmar | harumphs. |
| 21:43.28 | NightHawkTheSane | well, I assume not recognizing the refernece in Lunessa's comment indicated he hadn't |
| 21:43.37 | NightHawkTheSane | reference* |
| 21:43.57 | Lunessa | Seriously. |
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| 21:44.17 | NightHawkTheSane | also, your emote really needs to be a lart, if it's not already |
| 21:44.29 | Lunessa | I doubt it is. |
| 21:44.39 | NightHawkTheSane | it really needs to be. :) |
| 21:44.48 | Dagmar | It's not a lart. Just enforcing policy. |
| 21:45.02 | Dagmar | He can have it back when he demonstrates proper reverence for a towel. |
| 21:45.07 | NightHawkTheSane | i was talking to Lunessa |
| 21:45.24 | Jamash | what was it? I just logged in |
| 21:45.48 | NightHawkTheSane | 13:36 * Lunessa drops a freakishly large whale and a bowl of petunias on Shirik, from orbit. |
| 21:46.27 | Jamash | oh, well |
| 21:46.29 | Jamash | of course |
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| 21:48.48 | Ginji | Dagmar: I've read it! |
| 21:48.55 | Ginji | Well, I still need to read the last book |
| 21:49.01 | Ginji | of the trilogy of five |
| 21:49.07 | Jamash | don't bother |
| 21:49.23 | Ginji | I will bother! |
| 21:50.05 | Ginji | btw, does anyone know if a upgrade version of win 7 will install on a clean disk? |
| 21:50.20 | Ginji | some say it does some say it doesn't, who knows for sure? |
| 21:51.00 | Jamash | not I |
| 21:51.16 | Jamash | I'm going to hold off on getting 7 until I get a new laptop with it preinstalled |
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| 21:53.30 | Lunessa | Ginji: Yes. |
| 21:53.43 | Lunessa | Mine did anyway. |
| 21:53.58 | Ginji | Ah neeto, cause that saves me about 30⬠|
| 21:54.07 | Jamash | did you have to supply an earlier version's install disc? |
| 21:54.08 | Fisker | le fu's Shirik |
| 21:55.12 | Lunessa | Jamash: I booted from DVD, then the DVD verified my previous version of windows, then I used to for FDSIK the install drive. |
| 21:55.19 | Jamash | I see |
| 21:55.32 | Ginji | Ohh, I have no previous version of windows |
| 21:55.41 | Jamash | but the question was will it install on a *clean* disk |
| 21:55.43 | Jamash | yeah |
| 21:55.53 | Ginji | at least, not on that disk |
| 21:56.25 | Lunessa | Ginji: You can probably still do it anyway. |
| 21:56.31 | Jamash | mmmmmmmmaybe |
| 21:56.34 | Ginji | probably |
| 21:57.07 | Jamash | I know that earlier versions of windows would demand either a HDD with windows already installed or the install media of a previous version |
| 21:57.19 | Jamash | so if you can get ahold of a vista install disc you should be good |
| 21:57.21 | Jamash | maybe |
| 21:57.33 | Jamash | I don't know if it still works that way |
| 21:58.02 | Ginji | reboot bbl |
| 21:58.40 | Ginji | I guess I'll order it and see what happens |
| 21:58.42 | Ginji | I could always use it to upgrade my laptop |
| 21:58.56 | Jamash | I'm baffled by how difficult it seems to be to obtain upgrade copies of 7 |
| 22:01.40 | Thunder_Child | http://notalwaysright.com/best-grandpa-ever/3230 |
| 22:01.41 | Thunder_Child | ow |
| 22:02.16 | Fisker | You wouldn't buy a car Shirik |
| 22:02.47 | Jamash | he'd create one from first principles |
| 22:03.49 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/11/hey_a_doctors_got_to_pay_the_tardis_bills_somehow.php |
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| 22:04.34 | Fisker | old NightHawkTheSane |
| 22:04.51 | NightHawkTheSane | YOU'RE old. |
| 22:05.12 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Is that SFW? |
| 22:05.12 | Fisker | nope :( |
| 22:06.10 | Dagmar | Damn |
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| 22:09.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: yes |
| 22:09.41 | NightHawkTheSane | i hate sites that don't respond to ping. >< |
| 22:09.45 | Jamash | pong |
| 22:09.50 | Trela | ping |
| 22:09.58 | Jamash | pung |
| 22:10.56 | Jamash | so I was all set for a day-long programming binge |
| 22:11.09 | Jamash | and I finished the new feature for Learning Aid in about three hours |
| 22:11.21 | Thunder_Child | http://lifehacker.com/5409274/the-complete-guide-to-google-wave-preview-edition-pdf-available-for-download |
| 22:11.23 | Jamash | so now I'm casting about for something to do |
| 22:11.46 | Jamash | I went to a google wave coding weekend |
| 22:11.50 | Jamash | it was fun |
| 22:12.08 | Jamash | I made a robot that converted wow item names into links with icons |
| 22:14.24 | Dagmar | So that means people do do anal spam on Twitter then? |
| 22:14.31 | Jamash | they could |
| 22:14.53 | zenzelezz | finally we'll see the return of [Your Mom Is The Immovable Object] |
| 22:15.34 | Jamash | there was this great bug on the ptr that was producing Strange Dust of the Whale |
| 22:15.51 | zenzelezz | lol |
| 22:16.34 | Dagmar | Snort it and it raises your stats temporarily |
| 22:16.44 | Jamash | awwwww yeah, that's the stuff |
| 22:16.45 | Dagmar | Probably the new goblin racial |
| 22:17.06 | Hirsute-Away | I forget what the goblin racial is |
| 22:17.18 | Jamash | batman utility belt |
| 22:17.26 | Hirsute-Away | Heh |
| 22:17.39 | Jamash | I'm only slightly kidding |
| 22:17.45 | Hirsute-Away | So they're engineers without having to be engineers. Dandy |
| 22:17.54 | Dagmar | Well, there's more than one stuff snorting goblin out there |
| 22:17.58 | Dagmar | I figured it was a racial ability |
| 22:18.06 | Jamash | http://www.wowwiki.com/Goblin_(playable)#Planned_racial_traits |
| 22:18.21 | Jamash | oh yeah there's a guy who gives you a quest to get stuff to put up his nose |
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| 22:19.19 | Jamash | I honestly wouldn't snort green dragon dust |
| 22:19.26 | Jamash | might put you to sleep, never wake up |
| 22:19.38 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5409175/guy-marries-video-game-we-dont-judge |
| 22:19.57 | Dagmar | Pfft. They might not judge, but I do. |
| 22:20.20 | Hirsute-Away | That's right. I remember the pack hobgoblin pissed me off a little. Read it just after I finished going back and nabbing all the recipes I needed, gather the mats for, and making Jeeves. |
| 22:22.04 | Shirik | cog|away / anyone that knows C++ |
| 22:22.17 | Shirik | error C2470: 'IDEA' : looks like a function definition, but there is no parameter list; skipping apparent body |
| 22:22.19 | Shirik | IDEA::Database::CIntParameterTokenFactory* IDEA:Database::CIntParameterTokenFactory::instance; |
| 22:22.22 | Shirik | anyone see why? |
| 22:22.34 | Shirik | I have been looking at this for 5 minutes... |
| 22:23.44 | Dagmar | You're missing a colon. |
| 22:24.02 | Shirik | gah |
| 22:24.02 | Shirik | fail |
| 22:24.10 | Dagmar | I was right? Heh |
| 22:24.17 | Dagmar | I've had days like that |
| 22:24.42 | Thunder_Child | momma said there'd be days like that |
| 22:33.44 | alestane | Nobody told me that life would turn out this way. |
| 22:35.43 | NightHawkTheSane | fun typos: instead of $login_reslut: $login_reslut |
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| 22:36.05 | alestane | I think you meant "result" the first time. |
| 22:36.13 | NightHawkTheSane | ..... |
| 22:36.16 | NightHawkTheSane | hangs head |
| 22:36.28 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: i meant it the first type i typed it in the code too. >< |
| 22:36.40 | NightHawkTheSane | goes back in his cave and cries a little |
| 22:39.45 | Thunder_Child | it is not your day for typing NightHawkTheSane |
| 22:40.19 | NightHawkTheSane | thats okay. it's never your day, so.... ;) |
| 22:40.32 | Thunder_Child | yes, but you are not me |
| 22:41.01 | NightHawkTheSane | thankfully! :) |
| 22:49.38 | NightHawkTheSane | cries at "technical support" that does't know how their own servers even work |
| 22:49.41 | NightHawkTheSane | ugh |
| 22:52.10 | NightHawkTheSane | "yeah, uh.. it wont work if you just put files in /etc/cron.d" uh, no, if that does't work you're seriously fucking up linux |
| 22:52.19 | Fisker | Any pro warriors here? |
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| 22:57.14 | Shirik | (17:56:12) * NightHawkTheSane [17:49:38] cries at "technical support" that does't know how their own servers even work |
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| 22:57.23 | Shirik | Didn't you hear me talking about Aion support the other day? |
| 22:57.35 | Shirik | Where I had to CONVINCE them that my IP was blocked? |
| 22:57.43 | alestane | I've had a warrior for quite a while, but not sure I'd say 'pro. |
| 22:57.53 | Shirik | I spent days giving them nmap scans, etc., proving to them that my IP was blocked |
| 22:58.14 | Shirik | I eventually convinced them, only to get them to say "We're not unbanning it, because it's in a block of IPs that were abusing the service" |
| 22:59.22 | cbreak | money back and back to wow :) |
| 23:00.18 | Shirik | I'm still playing wow |
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| 23:02.09 | Shirik | Email I received from school: |
| 23:02.11 | Shirik | Please do not reply to this message. This is an unmonitored mailbox. |
| 23:02.11 | Shirik | ________________________________ |
| 23:02.11 | Shirik | Get fit for the holidays! |
| 23:02.16 | Shirik | .... wtf is that |
| 23:02.19 | Jamash | I'm trying to figure out a way to make a macro that does the following, on successive presses: Spec 1, Frost Presence, Spec 2, Blood Presence |
| 23:02.43 | Jamash | I'm having some difficulty because /usetalents cannot be placed in a /castsequence |
| 23:04.06 | Shirik | I'm a bit confused |
| 23:04.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: i just listened to "technical" support tell my coworker that a cron file in /etc/cron.d/ wouldn't work, but a file in the crontab would. unless they're speifically modifying their cron executables to change that, it's an absurd statement |
| 23:04.15 | Shirik | you can't use /castsequence Frost Presence ... ? |
| 23:04.30 | Jamash | I can use /castsequence Frost Presence, Blood Presence |
| 23:04.33 | NightHawkTheSane | er, a line in the crontab file |
| 23:04.54 | Jamash | I can't use /castsequence Frost Presence, /usetalents 1, Blood Presence, /usetalents 2 |
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| 23:04.57 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane, obviously they are running their own kernel and everything |
| 23:05.07 | Shirik | oh I see what you mean now Jamash |
| 23:05.16 | Shirik | sounds like something an addon would have to do |
| 23:05.28 | Shirik | an addon could certainly do it (though not in combat, but switching talents doesn't exactly work in combat anyway) |
| 23:05.33 | Jamash | now if presences counted for stance: then I'd be in good shape |
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| 23:07.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: i seriously doubt it, it looks like mostly-stock ubuntu. more likely, i think they're tech support is full of shit |
| 23:07.31 | Dewin | Jamash: wouldn't it be nice if there was just a /sequence ? |
| 23:07.36 | Jamash | yeah |
| 23:07.36 | Shirik | it was a joke NightHawkTheSane :) |
| 23:07.48 | Dewin | For that matter, I wish there was a [talents:2] or [talents:1] conditional or something similar |
| 23:08.44 | kdtresh | i don't think their goal with dual spec was to have people shifting in between them mid-fight |
| 23:08.49 | Aelobin | thought there was Dewin :P |
| 23:08.51 | kdtresh | or mid-raid |
| 23:09.03 | Jamash | there is |
| 23:09.19 | Jamash | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.25 | Dewin | I forget the name of the shaman spell, but I'd love to be able to do /cast [resto] Cleanse Spirits ; Cure Toxins |
| 23:09.31 | Dewin | There IS?! |
| 23:09.45 | Jamash | yes |
| 23:09.53 | Jamash | it's rad |
| 23:09.54 | Dewin | Err, saying I forgot the name of the shaman spell and forgetting to revise my sentence while I go look it up is kind of silly. |
| 23:09.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: yeah, sorry, jsut in a poor mood today. >< |
| 23:10.03 | Shirik | kdtresh: That was not my statement |
| 23:10.04 | Dewin | Excellent. I shlal have to revise Clique immediately. |
| 23:10.09 | Dewin | my Clique settings, that is |
| 23:10.16 | Shirik | Jamash: That conditional, while interesting, would be essentially useless |
| 23:10.23 | Shirik | the hot bars hav.... |
| 23:10.24 | Shirik | That's it |
| 23:10.37 | Shirik | hm, no it's not |
| 23:10.40 | Jamash | heh |
| 23:10.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: you know clique lets you switch profiles based on your current talent spec, yes? |
| 23:10.53 | Shirik | anyway, the fact that hotbars switch when you change specs makes needing that conditional extremely rare |
| 23:10.57 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: Already went there |
| 23:10.59 | Shirik | that was the "That's it" |
| 23:11.03 | Shirik | and then I was like "no it's not" |
| 23:11.05 | NightHawkTheSane | oh |
| 23:11.06 | Dewin | NHTS: Yes, but I have no point in having two entirely different clique profiles when I only need one spell to differ. |
| 23:11.09 | Shirik | because it still won't let him accomplish what he wants |
| 23:11.16 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* |
| 23:11.24 | kdtresh | http://video.dot.ca.gov/asx/Kingvale-eb-80.asx |
| 23:11.26 | Shirik | the problem isn't the two spells |
| 23:11.27 | kdtresh | yay for weather |
| 23:11.28 | Jamash | what I want is a [presence:x] modifier |
| 23:11.34 | Shirik | it's switching between spell and /usetalents |
| 23:11.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Dewin: alternately, i dont see the point in fucking with a macro when i can just have two profiles. ;) |
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| 23:11.55 | Jamash | I guess I could write a tiny addon |
| 23:12.05 | Dewin | I also seem to remember there being some minor limitations of Clique's dual profile support. |
| 23:12.19 | Dewin | and the macro consumes less memory (granted, I don't think Clique really uses much) |
| 23:12.20 | NightHawkTheSane | i haven't run into any |
| 23:13.03 | kdtresh | http://video.dot.ca.gov/asx/d3-truckee-scales-80.asx |
| 23:13.06 | kdtresh | sideways snow is fun |
| 23:13.27 | mikma | shirik: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/lego_norris_is_tough.jpg |
| 23:14.07 | Jamash | okay, SetActiveTalentGroup() can be used in a macro, how can I abuse this to my benefit |
| 23:14.34 | cbreak | I have a button on my bar that switches to the other spec |
| 23:14.40 | cbreak | and since the bar switches... :) |
| 23:14.41 | Dewin | Jamash: Does activating presences trigger GCD? |
| 23:14.59 | cbreak | there's a slash command to switch though |
| 23:15.12 | Jamash | I think they're on their own cooldown |
| 23:15.23 | Jamash | like hunter aspects |
| 23:15.36 | Dewin | So could the macro change the presence and trigger the talent group change at the same time? |
| 23:15.47 | Dewin | (Ignore the details about castsequence being involved, I have a plan for that) |
| 23:15.53 | cbreak | you can use /usetalents 1 or /usetalents 0 (or 2?) |
| 23:16.16 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: its 2, fyi |
| 23:16.27 | Dewin | cbreak: I'm imagining he wants a button that switches to tank talents & activates frost presence, or switches to dps talents & activates some other presence. |
| 23:16.48 | cbreak | switching has a cast time |
| 23:16.48 | Dewin | and you can't work /usetalents into a /castsequence. |
| 23:16.53 | cbreak | so it would have to be second |
| 23:16.56 | cbreak | if it even works |
| 23:17.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Jamash: do presences show up as stances with the stance: conditional? |
| 23:17.06 | Jamash | nope |
| 23:17.11 | Jamash | if they did it would be easy |
| 23:17.14 | bleeter | cog|away: WUT |
| 23:17.15 | Dewin | That's why I asked if you could switch while you were in the CD from changing presences |
| 23:17.15 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 23:17.17 | NightHawkTheSane | shame |
| 23:17.31 | Jamash | the problem is that swapping talents cancels your presence |
| 23:17.42 | cbreak | not much of a problem |
| 23:17.43 | Jamash | that's what I'm trying to fix |
| 23:17.47 | bleeter | cog|away: oh, that. no probs :) |
| 23:17.50 | cbreak | you can do that after you drink for 45 seconds |
| 23:17.52 | cbreak | to get your mana back |
| 23:17.55 | cbreak | *grumble* |
| 23:17.56 | Dewin | Can you do multiple /castsequences? |
| 23:17.59 | kdtresh | presences do not appear to trigger gcd |
| 23:18.01 | Dewin | in the same macro? |
| 23:18.06 | cbreak | yes |
| 23:18.09 | Jamash | you can't swap specs with a castsequence |
| 23:18.13 | Jamash | it's not a spell per se |
| 23:18.18 | Dewin | Jamash: I /know/ that... what I'm thinking |
| 23:18.22 | Jamash | okay |
| 23:18.46 | Aelobin | Jamash: it is a spell, but /cast Activate Primary Spec wont work :< |
| 23:18.57 | cbreak | you could write an addon that does it |
| 23:19.36 | Jamash | I know, but I'm trying to avoid it |
| 23:19.58 | Dewin | /script variable = (2 if frost presence up, 1 if blood presence up, nil otherwise) -- /castsequence Frost Presence, Frost Presence, Blood Presence, Blood Presence -- /script if variable then SetActiveTalentGroup(variable) end |
| 23:20.00 | cbreak | the most annoying part of talent swapping is the huge downtime |
| 23:20.03 | Dewin | or some variation |
| 23:20.05 | cbreak | casting a few buffs is childs play |
| 23:20.05 | Dewin | might work |
| 23:20.25 | Aelobin | gotta change pressence after the respecc |
| 23:20.29 | Aelobin | as respeccing clear's your pressence :P |
| 23:20.38 | Aelobin | dam that apostrophe! get outta there |
| 23:20.43 | Dewin | Aelobin: Hence the if check. |
| 23:20.56 | Jamash | think I've got it |
| 23:21.01 | Jamash | gimme a sec |
| 23:21.06 | Dewin | The first time you hit it with no presence up, variable will be nil, it'll activate Frost Presence and change your specs (cancelling the frost presence) |
| 23:21.06 | NightHawkTheSane | you know |
| 23:21.13 | Dewin | err |
| 23:21.20 | Dewin | logic is a little flawed, but you can see what I might mean |
| 23:21.33 | NightHawkTheSane | it might just be easier to write a simple addon to slap you if you dont have a presence up |
| 23:22.16 | NightHawkTheSane | or, probably use one of a few addons that check for buffs. |
| 23:22.25 | Dewin | Power Auras and TellMeWhen could both do that easily. |
| 23:22.31 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
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| 23:24.32 | Dewin | I'm still fairly convinced it can be done in a macro fairly easily though. |
| 23:24.45 | Jamash | nearly there |
| 23:24.55 | Jamash | just trying to fit it into 255 |
| 23:25.05 | Dewin | There are addons that give you 1023 :) |
| 23:26.03 | Dewin | I'm curious to see what you came up with. |
| 23:26.19 | Jamash | done! |
| 23:26.30 | Jamash | line 1: /run local g=GetActiveTalentGroup;local s=SetActiveTalentGroup;if UnitBuff("player", "Frost Presence") and g() == 1 then s(2) end; if UnitBuff("player", "Blood Presence") and g() == 2 then s(1) end |
| 23:26.41 | Jamash | line 2: /cast [spec:2] Blood Presence; Frost Presence |
| 23:27.36 | Dewin | Oh, that's even better than what I thought |
| 23:27.41 | Jamash | doesn't work in combat, doesn't have to since you can't respec in combat :D |
| 23:27.59 | Dewin | the second cast will fail the first time, the talent swap won't go off the second time because you won't have a presence up due to respec |
| 23:29.05 | Dewin | Though is the GetActivateTalentGroup part really neccessary? |
| 23:29.51 | Aelobin | im guessing so, or you'd respecc every press? |
| 23:30.26 | Dewin | Aelobin: No, because every second pass you wouldn't have a presence up due to the fact the previous pass cancelled any presences |
| 23:31.29 | Aelobin | hmm yeh |
| 23:32.00 | Vlakarados | how can I make a custom icon to be black and white with lua? |
| 23:32.17 | Vlakarados | just like in talents frame |
| 23:32.59 | Vlakarados | I mean custom icons/tga's |
| 23:33.57 | Jamash | I should put that macro on the Useful DK Macros page |
| 23:34.14 | Dewin | Vlakarados: I found http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Texture_SetDesaturated with a quick search. |
| 23:34.40 | Vlakarados | woah, couldn't find that |
| 23:34.48 | Vlakarados | thank you very much |
| 23:37.43 | Jamash | I should get one of those 1023 char macro addons |
| 23:37.51 | Jamash | do they work with the regular action bars? |
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| 23:40.21 | Vlakarados | can someone explain what will hapen to my texture if I change it's saturation and it's not supported by a graphics card? |
| 23:40.56 | Vlakarados | error? nothing? |
| 23:41.03 | Jamash | I'm pretty sure any graphics card that can display wow will work fine |
| 23:41.26 | Vlakarados | but why did blizz use this function in the link then? |
| 23:42.07 | Dagmar | Dude all that's done in software |
| 23:42.25 | Dagmar | Desaturating an image is a trivial math operation |
| 23:42.45 | Vlakarados | why it's dependant on GC then? |
| 23:42.58 | Vlakarados | I understand that it should be done in soft |
| 23:43.25 | Dagmar | Oh so now DirectX calls are all only handled by graphics cards? |
| 23:43.31 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:51.46 | Shirik | I missed part of this conversation but uh |
| 23:51.49 | Shirik | what? |
| 23:55.54 | Jamash | yeah |
| 23:56.00 | Jamash | what indeed |
| 23:59.44 | Shirik | I am very good at desaturating images |
