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| 00:17.49 | NightHawkTheSane | random thought: i <3 sprintf |
| 00:20.23 | WobWork | http://www.journalfen.net/community/fandom_wank/1226443.html#cutid1 |
| 00:21.34 | cbreak | you surely meant snprintf |
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| 00:28.06 | ScytheBlade1 | 1297/1543... |
| 00:28.42 | Kraps | http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/11/17/british-man-loves-his-bionic-bowels |
| 00:29.28 | cogwheel | what cbreak said imo |
| 00:29.44 | cogwheel | (aka sprintf_s in visual c++) |
| 00:31.39 | Thunder_Child | http://notalwaysright.com/a-sign-of-a-long-day/3201 please please please let there be a darwinism law passed |
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| 00:39.52 | Mikk | let there be more use of sprintf() - especially with unscrubbed user input |
| 00:40.01 | Mikk | more buffer overrun exploits for teh masses! |
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| 00:40.54 | biffy | Is there anyway for a mod to connect to a website? |
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| 00:41.10 | MentalPower | no |
| 00:42.59 | Mikk | biffy: and no that won't work either |
| 00:43.05 | Mikk | and neither will the next thing you think of |
| 00:43.19 | Mikk | there is exactly ONE way for an addon to communicate with the outside world: |
| 00:43.22 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.32 | ScytheBlade1 | well |
| 00:43.37 | ScytheBlade1 | and logout |
| 00:43.43 | Mikk | at which point it saves its savevars to .lua file, and re-reads it source luas |
| 00:44.06 | Mikk | Now, with the help of an external program, you could certainly send a command via the savevars on the first /reloadui |
| 00:44.22 | Mikk | Wait for the external program to finish (you'll have to guess via a timer) |
| 00:44.47 | Mikk | and then /reloadui again to read in changes - and these changes have to be written to the addon source files, not the savevars |
| 00:44.58 | ZorbaTHut | in theory, if the external program is fast enough, it might be able to parse the saved variables and drop replacement data in before WoW gets around to reloading it |
| 00:45.03 | Mikk | because the savevars are always written out on reloadui, so any changes you made to them are wiped |
| 00:45.06 | ZorbaTHut | but that's not the kind of thing I'd really want to rely on. |
| 00:45.11 | Mikk | absolutely true |
| 00:45.19 | biffy | hmm |
| 00:45.38 | biffy | I could probably write an app to hit that file on change and then upload it |
| 00:45.49 | Mikk | it certainly works if data is locally available and can just be dumped in - if you have a good way of determining exactly when the savevars are written |
| 00:45.52 | biffy | I just want to collect data and run some economic experiments |
| 00:46.06 | Mikk | oh that works - if you can get people to run your program |
| 00:46.24 | Mikk | it's exactly what database site data harvesters do |
| 00:46.30 | biffy | yea |
| 00:46.51 | ZorbaTHut | be prepared to deal with a lot of wonky corrupt data :D |
| 00:47.03 | biffy | I want to get price trends from the market over time basically - and compare them to real world applications |
| 00:47.28 | biffy | I know it's been done already - I want to do it myself :P |
| 00:48.11 | Jerub | you'll get wildy varying data on a lot of market things, because it's possible for a single buyer to literally buy every single item in a class without going bankrupt. |
| 00:48.19 | Jerub | I used to do that with light/medium leather. |
| 00:48.34 | biffy | yep for sure - that's why I need long term data |
| 00:48.44 | Mikk | could probably buy out the entire AH if he wanted to |
| 00:48.49 | ZorbaTHut | I've also been interested in doing something like that, though I never got around to it |
| 00:48.56 | Jerub | also, accurate data about sales is impossible. |
| 00:48.56 | Mikk | interesting experiment - i wonder how much a fully stocked 500 page AH is worth |
| 00:49.06 | Jerub | because you only find what things are listed at, not if they ever sell. |
| 00:49.09 | Lunessa | WoWEcon might have a lot of data you can use on their site freely available (but then again, maybe not) |
| 00:49.22 | Shirik | cbreak: Lies |
| 00:49.24 | Jerub | Mikk: really? you've got a couple hundred thousand gold running around? |
| 00:49.25 | Shirik | snprintf is overratedf |
| 00:49.26 | ZorbaTHut | mikk, unless you're up against the gold limit, I find it dubious |
| 00:49.31 | Mikk | 170k |
| 00:49.34 | biffy | yea - that was my next question - can you see sale prices? :P |
| 00:49.34 | Shirik | good programmers know how to verify their bounds |
| 00:49.41 | Jerub | Mikk: what on earth? |
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| 00:49.49 | ZorbaTHut | yeah you could probably buy 450 pages or so of it no problem, but there's some *really* pricey stuff |
| 00:49.57 | Mikk | friend of mine dinged half a mil a while ago |
| 00:49.59 | ZorbaTHut | toc boe gear and recipes and the like |
| 00:50.01 | cbreak | too bad sprintf doesn't |
| 00:50.04 | ZorbaTHut | I'm sitting on 30k myself :P |
| 00:50.04 | Mikk | was gonna go for a million even but he got tired |
| 00:50.06 | cbreak | it happily writes over all bounds |
| 00:50.07 | bleeter | http://toki-woki.net/p/scroll-clock/ |
| 00:50.11 | Shirik | sure cbreak |
| 00:50.17 | ZorbaTHut | 35k maybe if I scraped stuff up |
| 00:50.18 | Shirik | but good programmers use sprintf correctly |
| 00:50.20 | Shirik | so it doesn't |
| 00:50.27 | Mikk | good programmers don't use sprintf |
| 00:50.29 | bleeter | ~failrik |
| 00:50.30 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 00:50.30 | Jerub | Mikk: how on earth do you make that much gold? |
| 00:50.36 | Mikk | Jerub: AH monging |
| 00:50.41 | biffy | good programmers dont generally use lua either ;) |
| 00:50.41 | bleeter | I posted a URL and didn't get kickbanned :( |
| 00:50.41 | cbreak | some things are best kept under lock |
| 00:50.41 | Mikk | mostly enchant mats these days |
| 00:50.41 | Shirik | Mikk: Agree. Good programmers use C++. |
| 00:50.42 | Jerub | Mikk: oh, right, :) |
| 00:50.46 | Mikk | Shirik: fail |
| 00:50.51 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I do enchant mats also |
| 00:51.00 | ZorbaTHut | got scripts rigged up to make it as effortless as possible |
| 00:51.06 | Jerub | Mikk: man, that'd be nice. buy out the entire AH worth of leather on wednesady then list the whole lot on saturday :P |
| 00:51.12 | ZorbaTHut | though somehow I always end up with way too many greater eternal essences |
| 00:51.22 | bleeter | ZorbaTHut: hehe |
| 00:51.29 | Mikk | ZorbaTHut: yeah you do that, it's because people want the dusts |
| 00:51.46 | Mikk | just write the essences off as a loss |
| 00:52.14 | Mikk | and buy at the right prices so you don't neg |
| 00:52.55 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that and dream dusts |
| 00:53.05 | ZorbaTHut | I still sell it all, but sometimes I drive the price through the floor before I do |
| 00:53.27 | Mikk | dream dust sells in batches - when a new toon goes enchanter |
| 00:53.36 | Mikk | has less to do with price |
| 00:53.37 | NeoTron | http://notalwaysright.com/faux-bi-wan-kenobi/3138 lol |
| 00:53.42 | ZorbaTHut | problem is that I've got way too many batches of it :P |
| 00:53.48 | Mikk | yeap |
| 00:54.45 | Torhal | I've been selling Greater Eternal Essences at anywhere from 12g - 24g on my server,. |
| 00:54.57 | ZorbaTHut | pfft, I've got them listed at 6g |
| 00:54.58 | ZorbaTHut | and they don't sell |
| 00:55.03 | Mikk | NeoTron: except the guy didn't say that. it's what he realized 3 minutes later that he SHOULD have said. |
| 00:55.04 | Torhal | Before WoTLK, I was selling them for like 10g |
| 00:55.34 | biffy | hey are there any bench marks for the speed of lua in wow? |
| 00:55.49 | Mikk | erm be more specific |
| 00:55.51 | Mikk | bench against what |
| 00:56.01 | biffy | commands over time |
| 00:56.10 | Mikk | *blink* |
| 00:56.12 | biffy | like say looping through a 500k table |
| 00:56.20 | biffy | and writing something to each entry |
| 00:56.27 | Mikk | that certainly takes a while |
| 00:56.31 | biffy | yes :) |
| 00:56.35 | biffy | how much of awhile |
| 00:56.37 | Mikk | a second+ ? |
| 00:56.43 | biffy | oh thats not too bad |
| 00:56.58 | Torhal | My soul hurts, now. |
| 00:56.59 | biffy | is it threaded? |
| 00:57.04 | biffy | or will it hang the game? |
| 00:57.07 | Torhal | WoW is single-threaded. |
| 00:57.14 | theorbtwo | Note that while you're doing that, the game will freeze up for the player. |
| 00:57.39 | Torhal | If the game is hung for too long, the server will disconnect the client. |
| 00:57.41 | theorbtwo | You'll also stop conversing with the server, and it'll throw you off if you don't answer it for too long. |
| 00:57.48 | Mikk | You can however use lua "threads" |
| 00:58.07 | biffy | yea, I've tinkered with those a bit |
| 00:58.16 | biffy | probably just write a process manager or something |
| 00:58.24 | Mikk | But obviously you need to yield() at regular intervals |
| 00:58.35 | biffy | yea |
| 00:59.01 | ZorbaTHut | someday I should probably split QH's process manager into a separate library, it's got some really nice and convenient features |
| 00:59.08 | ZorbaTHut | not sure how many people would actually use it though |
| 00:59.17 | bleeter | tflops |
| 00:59.23 | bleeter | bah scrolled back |
| 00:59.35 | Jerub | i used to make money in puzzle pirates simply through currency exchange arbitrage. |
| 01:00.08 | Mikk | ZorbaTHut: i've been meaning to write an AceThread lib also |
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| 01:01.13 | biffy | on that note - could you auto buy / sell through script? or is it something the user always has to do? |
| 01:01.42 | biffy | sorry if these questions are redundant - I don't actually play wow :P |
| 01:01.51 | Mikk | sell yes |
| 01:01.55 | Mikk | buy no - requires a click per buy |
| 01:02.04 | Mikk | guess which addon is to blame for that :P |
| 01:02.18 | ZorbaTHut | mikk, you might be interested in going over some of the QH code for process management, I do some tricks to flatten framerate peaks and valleys |
| 01:02.47 | ZorbaTHut | although it's not terribly clean, it's gone through a few major revisions and that hasn't really helped readability |
| 01:08.59 | Mikk | what i've mostly been pondering is how to make a system for Wait()ing for user-defined events |
| 01:10.16 | Mikk | i mean it's fairly trivial to do e.g. Wait("event", "SOME_EVENT", "aceevent", "BigWigs_BossKill", "timer", 3) |
| 01:10.27 | Mikk | but then mr user wants to wait for something else |
| 01:10.30 | Mikk | huhu |
| 01:13.18 | Lopeppeppy | Pizza delivery. |
| 01:13.25 | Lopeppeppy | Kid's book bedtime story. |
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| 01:19.21 | Lopeppeppy | Hi hi, AbsolutRayne_. |
| 01:31.41 | theorbtwo | Er, you can by *from vendors* without clicking -- free refils, for example, exists just to do that. |
| 01:32.47 | WobWork | http://www.wordoid.com/ |
| 01:34.42 | MentalPower | [21:02:04]<Mikk>guess which addon is to blame for that :P <---- /me raises hand |
| 01:36.59 | MentalPower | but, auctioneer is also responsible for get-all, so it balances out somewhat :) |
| 01:37.20 | WobWork | get-all crashes me all the time =( |
| 01:37.51 | NightHawkTheSane | get-all killed my father |
| 01:38.55 | MentalPower | WobWork: that's blizz's fault... |
| 01:39.07 | MentalPower | NightHawkTheSane: sure it did |
| 01:43.16 | WobWork | what's the point of it then? =( |
| 01:44.25 | Lopeppeppy | Cheese. |
| 01:57.38 | MentalPower | WobWork: it works most of the time, it only fails when using a connection with high lag |
| 01:59.28 | NightHawkTheSane | translation: sucks to be from australia! |
| 01:59.56 | ScytheBlade1 | well that broke nicely |
| 02:00.08 | ScytheBlade1 | xorg is linking to a non-existant lib |
| 02:05.06 | MentalPower | what lib? |
| 02:15.59 | Tuller | hrm, i'm debating if saved searches are actually useful: http://i50.tinypic.com/5bahhz.png |
| 02:31.18 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: libssl.so.8! |
| 02:31.44 | kd3 | the hell? |
| 02:31.48 | kd3 | looks at libssl.so.10 |
| 02:31.54 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 02:32.03 | ScytheBlade1 | behold my (former) problem |
| 02:32.06 | ScytheBlade1 | symlinks to the rescue |
| 02:32.10 | MentalPower | lol |
| 02:33.49 | ScytheBlade1 | but, f11 is now f12 |
| 02:34.38 | ScytheBlade1 | aside from that annoying bug, the slowness of optical media, 300MB of updates to download, the inability to check a box to install those updates at the same time as the OS, and networkmanager not saving my configs on a system wide basis (plus being bugged with the ipv6 settings) |
| 02:34.44 | ScytheBlade1 | smooth sailing |
| 02:35.29 | kd3 | wha? anaconda should've let you do the first, NM's saving my settings system-wide (finally) |
| 02:35.56 | ScytheBlade1 | it did not prompt me anything other than "upgrade, y/n" and "pick a partition" |
| 02:36.06 | ScytheBlade1 | and I can't find the system wide files /anywhere/ |
| 02:36.32 | kd3 | /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts |
| 02:36.36 | ScytheBlade1 | (and yes, I checked /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections/) |
| 02:36.43 | ScytheBlade1 | those are ifup specific |
| 02:36.46 | ScytheBlade1 | not nm specific |
| 02:36.57 | kd3 | but they got set via nm |
| 02:37.03 | kd3 | did his usual wipe/reinstall |
| 02:37.20 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf |
| 02:37.25 | ScytheBlade1 | they backtracked on their feature page then |
| 02:37.45 | kd3 | nah. nm didn't write those files before f12 |
| 02:37.50 | kd3 | but it could read from them |
| 02:38.07 | ScytheBlade1 | nah, their feature page says that they would save them elsewhere |
| 02:38.16 | ScytheBlade1 | if they are using the system dir now, well, that explains things |
| 02:39.00 | ScytheBlade1 | but it still isn't saving my ipv6 settings :/ |
| 02:39.37 | kd3 | I still don't think nm's fully ipv6-capable yet |
| 02:39.41 | kd3 | which is pathetic |
| 02:39.52 | ScytheBlade1 | all I'm showing is the kernel based autoconfig |
| 02:40.11 | ScytheBlade1 | despite the feature being 100% and me asking a very specific question about RDNSS support |
| 02:40.16 | ScytheBlade1 | and it.. not being here now |
| 02:40.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
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| 03:51.14 | Thunder_Child | "[80:Mindzor]: Giving away 1k rated 5v5 team....beat me in a /roll and its yours" |
| 03:51.16 | Thunder_Child | eh? |
| 03:56.22 | tem | why is he saying that like 1k is a good rating? |
| 03:56.30 | tem | I'd be ashamed of anything under 1600 |
| 03:58.02 | Thunder_Child | he didnt say it was good |
| 03:58.15 | Thunder_Child | but starting out at 1K vs 0K is not a bad thing |
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| 04:13.42 | Lothaer | any gfx card gurus here? |
| 04:14.10 | Thunder_Child | uh..a little more specific? |
| 04:15.28 | Lothaer | ok i have a Geforce 8600 GT 1024MB but the fan on it is starting to go, im thinking about getting a Geforce 210 512MB i wanna know how much of a upgrade is the 210 |
| 04:19.35 | Hjalte | Try to find some benchmarks of those two cards featuring the same game |
| 04:19.41 | Thunder_Child | 1 sec |
| 04:20.26 | Thunder_Child | how new is the 210? |
| 04:21.41 | Lothaer | according to wikipedia the 210 was produced October 12 2009 |
| 04:21.57 | Thunder_Child | i found http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gt-220,2445-15.html |
| 04:22.06 | Thunder_Child | but it doesnt match it to the 8600 |
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| 04:51.41 | kd3 | so uh, wow. I'm wanding around on the floor of the forge of souls |
| 04:56.36 | Adys | anyone remembers an item that has lots of race or class requirements? |
| 04:56.44 | Adys | like more than 5 |
| 04:57.08 | kd3 | outside of mounts requiring one of the five races... not that I can think of |
| 04:59.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: afaik, no current item will have more than 5 racial requirements, that would require it to cross faction, and i dont think anything does |
| 05:00.11 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i16339/ |
| 05:00.15 | Adys | this is what i was looking for |
| 05:00.31 | Shirik | Adys |
| 05:00.32 | Shirik | hi |
| 05:00.39 | Adys | hi |
| 05:01.03 | Adys | fap me Shirik |
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| 05:02.05 | kd3 | so sigh. phasing bugs still there |
| 05:02.09 | kd3 | grrs some more |
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| 05:04.18 | Shirik | Adys |
| 05:04.20 | Shirik | I am sorry |
| 05:04.25 | Shirik | I cannot touch Canadians |
| 05:04.27 | Shirik | I am allergic |
| 05:04.39 | Zhinjio | this is unbelievable. |
| 05:04.39 | Adys | its ok i understand honeybunny |
| 05:04.54 | NightHawkTheSane | i can touch canadians.. |
| 05:04.55 | Shirik | except Cairenn because she is so sweet that she is like in a layer of sugar |
| 05:05.01 | Zhinjio | I have two separate machines, both with nForce chipsets on the mb, that are presenting the SAME mac address to the network. |
| 05:05.01 | NightHawkTheSane | wiggles his eyebrows at Adys |
| 05:05.02 | Shirik | so I touch the sugar and not the canadian |
| 05:05.03 | Zhinjio | WTF. |
| 05:05.31 | Shirik | Zhinjio: Identity crisis |
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| 05:06.45 | Iriel | Shirik: So, did you pick one? |
| 05:06.49 | Shirik | nope |
| 05:06.52 | Shirik | it's not an urgent decision |
| 05:07.01 | Shirik | however some points have been raised |
| 05:07.14 | Iriel | Bah, where's MY gratification? |
| 05:07.18 | Shirik | I think probably the 100-400 is good for my needs |
| 05:07.31 | Shirik | And if I ever need a fast lens, there's a 200mm f/2 lens |
| 05:07.33 | Shirik | that I could pick up |
| 05:13.07 | Shirik | and then |
| 05:13.14 | Shirik | when I am a millionare, Iriel, http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=154&modelid=16358 |
| 05:13.35 | Shirik | it's only 10 lbs |
| 05:13.56 | Iriel | hehe |
| 05:14.06 | Shirik | stick on a 2x extender |
| 05:14.09 | Shirik | 1600mm |
| 05:14.18 | Iriel | It only claims it keeps its AF point up to a 1.4x |
| 05:14.31 | Shirik | well yeah |
| 05:14.39 | Shirik | the 2x extender requires lenses at or faster than f/2.8 |
| 05:15.11 | Iriel | though it says it IS compatible with the 2x, so who knows how crazy you could be |
| 05:15.21 | Shirik | yeah you just would lose AF |
| 05:15.34 | Shirik | 1600mm would probably be a bitch to AF anyway |
| 05:15.54 | Zhinjio | wow. its an nforce driver problem |
| 05:15.55 | Iriel | Heh, 19.7 ft closest focus |
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| 05:16.10 | Zhinjio | apparently, its supposed to set a random, unique address every time it boots |
| 05:16.23 | Zhinjio | and on both my wife and my machine, its now setting it to some base default address and not changing it |
| 05:16.31 | Zhinjio | now that, is just whacked. |
| 05:17.16 | Shirik | but no, Iriel, Canon makes a 200mm f/2.8 for less than $1k |
| 05:17.19 | Shirik | very good value |
| 05:17.25 | Iriel | Mmm... day 3 lasagne, as good as day 1, arguably better since the only dish I have to wash is the one i'm eating it from |
| 05:17.59 | Shirik | and then there's a 200mm f/2 IS for $6k if you're willing to shell out that much, I'm not sure I'd do that though |
| 05:18.20 | Yssaril | Zhinjio: did you turn off random mac addressing? |
| 05:18.45 | Zhinjio | I don't see any way to do so. checking in their tool now |
| 05:19.53 | Zhinjio | I turned off all the WakeOnX stuff |
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| 05:20.45 | Yssaril | btw why does it have random mac addressing to begin with? |
| 05:23.02 | Zhinjio | thats an awesome question. |
| 05:23.09 | Zhinjio | I finally got it to let me assign an address by hand |
| 05:23.22 | ccox | for that price, I'll take the 500mm IS |
| 05:24.53 | Zhinjio | it still begs the question of why THE FUCK would you ever want to do something like that. |
| 05:24.55 | Zhinjio | but I'll take it. |
| 05:25.04 | Zhinjio | its working now |
| 05:25.48 | Yssaril | maybe more privacy? new mac = new ip (wouldn;t matter on home networks but public once) but then it would ahve to be a laptop to matter |
| 05:25.59 | Zhinjio | nods. |
| 05:26.12 | Yssaril | still much more of a headache than its worth imp |
| 05:26.15 | Yssaril | *imo |
| 05:26.51 | Yssaril | good luck setting up your router firewall everytime your ip/mac address changes |
| 05:28.23 | Zhinjio | or maybe they're just worried that the 281,474,976,710,656 possible addresses would run out. |
| 05:28.49 | Torhal | Maybe they were too busy making Lasagna. |
| 05:28.53 | Zhinjio | no, its not going to change now. |
| 05:29.04 | Zhinjio | I set them manually, and fixed, and they're staying that way through reboots. |
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| 05:29.19 | Zhinjio | mmm, Lasagna. |
| 05:29.24 | Torhal | :D |
| 05:29.49 | Yssaril | Torhal: how hard is it to rename a project on wowace? |
| 05:30.03 | Mikk | Not |
| 05:30.23 | Adys | purples Mikk |
| 05:30.29 | Yssaril | k |
| 05:30.30 | Mikk | Yssaril: I can do it for you now if you like |
| 05:30.43 | Yssaril | Mikk: need a new name first :) |
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| 05:30.52 | Mikk | Yeah ok THAT's hard :P |
| 05:31.17 | Zhinjio | goddamnit. That took me two freaking days to figure out. |
| 05:32.11 | Zhinjio | wife: I keep getting disconnected from wow. me: not my fault. her: yes it is, it only started when you reinstalled! me: I've turned off everything that could possibly change that. her: its still happening. waaaaaaahhhhmbulance. |
| 05:32.33 | Mikk | 's what you get for buying nvidia mobos |
| 05:32.39 | Torhal | YssBossDropNotes! |
| 05:32.40 | Mikk | or, put another way |
| 05:32.41 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 05:32.44 | Mikk | pwnd |
| 05:33.53 | Mikk | Yssaril: for what project? |
| 05:34.09 | Yssaril | Torhal: lol |
| 05:34.15 | Yssaril | Mikk: YssInstanceMaps |
| 05:34.27 | Yssaril | more off a loot addon than a map addon though |
| 05:35.08 | Mikk | YssBossDrops? |
| 05:35.19 | Torhal | YssInstanceLoot? |
| 05:35.33 | Mikk | YssYss? |
| 05:35.43 | Torhal | YssMan? |
| 05:35.45 | Torhal | :D |
| 05:35.51 | Zhinjio | YssLootWhore? |
| 05:35.54 | Torhal | Ooooh! |
| 05:35.58 | Yssaril | lol |
| 05:36.07 | Yssaril | will have to sleep on :) |
| 05:36.09 | Zhinjio | YssLootLOLZ |
| 05:36.11 | Zhinjio | grins. |
| 05:36.14 | Mikk | YssLootList |
| 05:36.22 | Mikk | YssInstanceDrops |
| 05:36.44 | Mikk | or get completely wowace on it and call it like butterscotchgnome-o-matic |
| 05:36.52 | Yssaril | rofl |
| 05:37.24 | Yssaril | was thinking YssBossLoot or simply YssLoot |
| 05:37.38 | Mikk | YssLoot would be slightly missleading i think |
| 05:37.42 | Mikk | c.f. "XLoot" |
| 05:37.57 | Yssaril | yea |
| 05:38.40 | Torhal | You could always be like tekkub and name it something that has nothing to do with what it does. Like, YssShinies! |
| 05:38.55 | Zhinjio | YssButtMunch! |
| 05:38.57 | tekkub | my names make perfect sense |
| 05:39.00 | Zhinjio | mkae sure to include the ! |
| 05:39.05 | Zhinjio | er... |
| 05:39.06 | Torhal | GoodNewsEveryone? :) |
| 05:39.10 | tekkub | yes |
| 05:39.16 | tekkub | if you don't get it it's not my fault |
| 05:39.38 | Torhal | It's a nice joke, but doesn't get across what the thing does :P |
| 05:39.44 | Torhal | But owell. |
| 05:39.49 | Torhal | Neitehr does Revelation, Omen, etc |
| 05:39.56 | Torhal | Neither* |
| 05:40.49 | tekkub | that's what descriptions are for |
| 05:41.03 | tekkub | otherwise everything would be named BobThreatMeter |
| 05:41.08 | Mikk | yeah well guess what i do when i'm looking for an addon that does something |
| 05:41.10 | tekkub | JoeActionBars |
| 05:41.12 | Mikk | i put in words that make sense in the search |
| 05:41.17 | Mikk | like "loot", "drop" |
| 05:41.26 | tekkub | and search should search descriptions |
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| 05:41.37 | Mikk | this is true |
| 05:41.54 | Zhinjio | maybe we change all names to numeric codes that are a heirarchical code, like a mac address, that represents the author, categories and function |
| 05:41.56 | Zhinjio | drools. |
| 05:41.58 | Shirik | Fisker! |
| 05:42.16 | Mikk | Zhinjio: oooooh |
| 05:42.17 | Shirik | my Fisker, my Fisker, why have you abandoned me? |
| 05:42.30 | tekkub | and I don't think wowi's search takes in descriptions |
| 05:42.31 | Yssaril | search should me much improved to begin with on wowace |
| 05:42.32 | tekkub | bum |
| 05:42.58 | Mikk | so like 11223344 where 11=wow, 22=author, 33=category, 44=monotonically increasing number from that author |
| 05:43.01 | Mikk | awesomejuice |
| 05:43.08 | Yssaril | hell searching for ace gives you ace2 and ace3 as 6th and 7th result |
| 05:43.14 | Zhinjio | twitches |
| 05:43.19 | Zhinjio | giggles insanely. |
| 05:43.21 | Zhinjio | yes! |
| 05:43.28 | Mikk | "New ticket: 123 for 23462345 v5263" |
| 05:43.32 | tekkub | see but that's just JoeActionBars with an unnecessay level of abstraction |
| 05:43.36 | Zhinjio | except we need to make sure there is at least one author who uses RANDOM NUMBERS! |
| 05:43.36 | Zhinjio | drools |
| 05:43.45 | Mikk | that'd be tekkub |
| 05:44.03 | Torhal | Zhinjio: We can't name AddOns with such a scheme - they may yield the same mac address! |
| 05:44.04 | tekkub | there is a pattern to my numbers |
| 05:44.13 | Zhinjio | twitches s'more. |
| 05:44.17 | Shirik | We need addons to be numbered according to Gray Code |
| 05:44.29 | tekkub | just use IPv6 |
| 05:44.39 | Zhinjio | grinds ipv6 under his toe. |
| 05:44.53 | Shirik | ipv6 is too big for your big toe |
| 05:44.57 | Shirik | need at least a foot |
| 05:44.59 | Zhinjio | ok |
| 05:45.07 | Zhinjio | I have big feet. that'll work. |
| 05:45.23 | Torhal | My hit rating is 444. This makes me somewhat sad. |
| 05:45.27 | tekkub | not if it's a shortened address |
| 05:46.08 | Zhinjio | I just got done convincing windows 7 that I *really*truly* didn't want to enable any ipv6, 6to4 tunnelling (all three varieties) or network gateway services. |
| 05:46.10 | Zhinjio | please kill me. |
| 05:46.19 | Zhinjio | and then put ipv6 in the grave with me |
| 05:47.25 | Torhal | Zhinjio: But teh intarwebz will asplode with ipv4! They said so in 1998! |
| 05:47.45 | tekkub | IPv62k bug |
| 05:47.46 | Fisker | holy shit :3 |
| 05:47.56 | Fisker | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/49623/shadowmourne/ <-this is my do want face |
| 05:48.06 | Zhinjio | thats what y2k jelly is for. |
| 05:48.15 | Zhinjio | you can now fit 6 digits where only 4 would fit before! |
| 05:48.45 | Torhal | Digits? Coward. |
| 05:48.59 | Zhinjio | its a joke, sir. a joke. |
| 05:49.04 | Torhal | BWAH! |
| 05:49.05 | Zhinjio | roll with it. |
| 05:49.23 | Zhinjio | kind of like the "digital rectal exam" joke. |
| 05:49.27 | Zhinjio | only with less goo |
| 05:53.49 | Mikk | aaaaahhhhhhhhh |
| 05:53.53 | Mikk | y2k jelly |
| 05:53.56 | Mikk | 6->4 |
| 05:53.58 | Mikk | headdesks |
| 05:54.03 | Mikk | ok that was really really bad :P |
| 05:54.39 | Mikk | Zhinjio: IT job amirite? |
| 05:55.17 | Zhinjio | me? |
| 05:55.21 | Zhinjio | once upon a time, yeah |
| 05:55.22 | Mikk | yeah? |
| 05:55.24 | Zhinjio | many many of them |
| 05:55.28 | Zhinjio | 15 years |
| 05:55.31 | Zhinjio | now I'm a dad. |
| 05:55.44 | Mikk | it just sounds like the kind of joke that everyone would get to hear too many times in some workplaces |
| 05:55.50 | Zhinjio | heh, yeah |
| 05:56.59 | Mikk | owell, i believe a sandwich, Bleach, and bed are in order. |
| 05:57.12 | Zhinjio | I don't want to know what the bleach is for. |
| 05:57.18 | Mikk | leaves the anime illiterates to wonder about the bleach bit |
| 05:57.46 | Zhinjio | The stuff my imagination made up is probably much worse than what your intention was |
| 05:58.58 | Shirik | just wrote some scary code |
| 05:59.12 | kd3 | what makes this any different than usual? |
| 05:59.28 | Shirik | short * gBufXmit = (short*) 0x80000000 |
| 05:59.51 | Shirik | And I just had to write a linker script by hand |
| 05:59.53 | Thunder_Child | ~lart tekkub |
| 05:59.53 | purl | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps tekkub |
| 05:59.56 | Shirik | I want to kill myself now |
| 05:59.59 | Shirik | instead, I will go to sleep |
| 06:00.04 | Shirik | also, agree |
| 06:00.06 | Shirik | ~lart tekkub |
| 06:00.06 | purl | forces tekkub to use Outlook Express |
| 06:00.44 | Fisker | hurr hurr |
| 06:00.52 | Fisker | Shadowmourn is almost a 500 DPS upgrade |
| 06:01.08 | Fisker | why have you abandoned me btw Shirik ? |
| 06:01.36 | Thunder_Child | it's only a 300 dps weapon |
| 06:01.43 | Thunder_Child | - the str |
| 06:02.23 | Fisker | it's also 3,7 speed |
| 06:03.02 | Fisker | and of course the amount of strength is legendary :P |
| 06:03.30 | Fisker | almost 70 strength alone on the weapon |
| 06:03.41 | Fisker | and atleast 20 strength more due to sockets |
| 06:03.49 | Thunder_Child | oh..i was talking about shadow's edge not mourne |
| 06:04.52 | Fisker | the buff is fail though |
| 06:04.55 | Fisker | "You can opt out" |
| 06:05.00 | Fisker | lol yeah, like that's going to happen |
| 06:17.06 | Thunder_Child | 11.7K conflag ... :( |
| 06:18.10 | Thunder_Child | on me |
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| 06:30.39 | guestpants | i come bearing questions! |
| 06:30.57 | guestpants | hopes someone is still awake |
| 06:31.11 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 06:31.20 | guestpants | heh |
| 06:31.32 | guestpants | is it possible to have a table that holds a table in each element? |
| 06:31.52 | Thunder_Child | isnt that an array? keep in mind i dont code |
| 06:32.06 | guestpants | they're interchangeable as far as i can tell |
| 06:32.47 | guestpants | tables are keyed arrays, which means that they aren't number 0->infinity, but by a string |
| 06:33.43 | guestpants | lua>myTable={}; myTable["apple"]=red; print(myTable["apple"]; |
| 06:33.44 | lua_bot | guestpants: luabot:1: ')' expected near ';' |
| 06:33.51 | guestpants | oh |
| 06:33.54 | guestpants | lua>myTable={}; myTable["apple"]=red; print(myTable["apple"]); |
| 06:33.55 | lua_bot | guestpants: nil |
| 06:34.02 | guestpants | balls |
| 06:34.08 | guestpants | lua>myTable={}; myTable["apple"]="red"; print(myTable["apple"]); |
| 06:34.09 | lua_bot | guestpants: red |
| 06:34.12 | guestpants | there we go |
| 06:34.33 | guestpants | so apple is the key, and red is the value that it points to |
| 06:34.48 | guestpants | if you even cared :p |
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| 06:35.10 | Fisker | goodbye Shirik |
| 06:35.14 | Fisker | it was good knowing you :( |
| 06:35.31 | Thunder_Child | remember Fisker, down the road not across the street |
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| 06:37.25 | guestpants | lua>myTable={}; yourTable={}; myTable[yourTable["apple"]]="red"; |
| 06:37.26 | lua_bot | guestpants: luabot:1: table index is nil |
| 06:37.55 | guestpants | lua>myTable={}; yourTable={}; myTable[yourTable["apple"]="green"]="red"; |
| 06:37.56 | lua_bot | guestpants: luabot:1: ']' expected near '=' |
| 06:38.11 | guestpants | bah |
| 06:39.04 | Torhal | lua>myTable = { yourTable = { ["apple |
| 06:39.05 | lua_bot | Torhal: luabot:1: unfinished string near '<eof>' |
| 06:39.06 | Torhal | BAH |
| 06:39.17 | guestpants | ... |
| 06:39.19 | guestpants | sobs |
| 06:39.34 | guestpants | makin fun of me :( |
| 06:39.41 | Torhal | lua>myTable = { yourTable = { ["apple"] = "green"}, ["apple"] = "red"} |
| 06:39.42 | lua_bot | Torhal: No output |
| 06:39.55 | guestpants | oh |
| 06:40.03 | Torhal | lua>myTable = { yourTable = { ["apple"] = "green"}, ["apple"] = "red"}; print(myTable["apple"]) |
| 06:40.03 | guestpants | i guess i'd have to decalre the interal tables at the time of creation |
| 06:40.04 | lua_bot | Torhal: red |
| 06:40.15 | Torhal | lua>myTable = { yourTable = { ["apple"] = "green"}, ["apple"] = "red"}; print(myTable[yourTable["apple"]]) |
| 06:40.16 | lua_bot | Torhal: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'yourTable' (a nil value) |
| 06:40.31 | Torhal | lua>myTable = { yourTable = { ["apple"] = "green"}, ["apple"] = "red"}; print(myTable.yourTable["apple"]) |
| 06:40.32 | lua_bot | Torhal: green |
| 06:40.40 | guestpants | ohh |
| 06:40.41 | guestpants | shiny |
| 06:41.05 | guestpants | could i use dot notation to assign new keys into the internal arrays? |
| 06:41.50 | Torhal | lua>myTable = { yourTable = { ["apple"] = "green"}, ["apple"] = "red"}; myTable.yourTable.frog = "smashed"; print(myTable.yourTable["frog"]) |
| 06:41.51 | lua_bot | Torhal: smashed |
| 06:42.27 | guestpants | myTable = {yourTable = {}}; |
| 06:42.34 | guestpants | lua>myTable = {yourTable = {}}; |
| 06:42.35 | lua_bot | guestpants: No output |
| 06:42.39 | guestpants | hm |
| 06:43.16 | guestpants | lua>myTable = {yourTable = {}}; myTable.yourTable["kobold"] = 3; print(myTable.yourTable["kobold"]); |
| 06:43.17 | lua_bot | guestpants: 3 |
| 06:43.20 | guestpants | wewt! |
| 06:43.34 | guestpants | i'd imagine this is terrible memory inefficient though |
| 06:43.38 | guestpants | terribly* |
| 06:44.47 | guestpants | also, what if I wanted to add a new table after the first time it was created? |
| 06:45.03 | guestpants | so, i've created myTable with yourTable in it, but now, after all that, I want to add hisTable to it... |
| 06:45.07 | guestpants | is that easy/possible? |
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| 06:46.42 | guestpants | lua>myTable = {yourTable = {}}; myTable.yourTable["kobold"] = 3; print(myTable.yourTable["kobold"]); myTable = {...,yourTable={}}; |
| 06:46.44 | lua_bot | guestpants: 3 |
| 06:48.24 | guestpants | lua>myTable = {yourTable = {}}; myTable = {...,hisTable={}}; myTable.yourTable["kobold"] = 3; print(myTable.yourTable["kobold"]); myTable.hisTable["kobold"]=6; print(myTable.hisTable["kobold"]); |
| 06:48.25 | lua_bot | guestpants: luabot:1: attempt to index field 'yourTable' (a nil value) |
| 06:48.29 | guestpants | ah |
| 06:48.29 | guestpants | dang |
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| 06:49.49 | guestpants | i guess it that example yourTable gets squashed by hisTable |
| 06:51.02 | Amarande | "Data for the next patch is available." |
| 06:51.05 | Amarande | I take it next week is it? |
| 06:51.21 | guestpants | i'm so not ready for icecrown :\ |
| 06:51.32 | Amarande | there a 3.3 addon survival guide in the works yet? |
| 06:51.36 | Trela | 448mbs. |
| 06:55.31 | Jerub | !! are you seirous? 6 days until 3.3? |
| 06:55.38 | Jerub | that's stupid. my conference starts next wednesday. |
| 06:55.50 | Amarande | it's also in the middle of pilgrim's bounty |
| 06:55.54 | Trela | Thanksgiving! |
| 06:55.57 | Jerub | i will a) be not working and b) be run off my fucking feet. |
| 06:56.07 | Amarande | I wonder how many people are going to QQ that Pilgrim's Bounty was Ruined FOREVER for them heh |
| 06:56.30 | Trela | They could be sending out parts such as model changes. |
| 06:56.46 | Amarande | honestly, yeah, I do complain too much, but yeah, a major patch like this in the middle of a holiday week is probably a poor idea |
| 06:57.05 | Amarande | it means that Tuesday and perhaps Wednesday will be difficult days for people to work on the holiday achievements due to the patch day lag |
| 06:57.34 | Amarande | and a lot of people go away for Thanksgiving weekend |
| 06:57.46 | Amarande | so for a lot of folks (not me, though), PB will be a two day event now |
| 06:57.48 | Jerub | well, remember that easter was delayed by 2 weeks because of 3.2 |
| 06:58.12 | NightHawkTheSane | is anyone seriously entertaining the idea that we'll see a patch before december? |
| 06:58.27 | Amarande | Night: "Data for the next patch is available" means it could be as soon as next week. |
| 06:58.32 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: Amarande is certaintly entertaining me with that idea. |
| 06:58.34 | Trela | Pilgrim's Bounty was originally schedule for last week. |
| 06:58.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: it could also mean they're seeding art, and we wont see it before late january |
| 06:58.44 | Trela | *scheduled |
| 06:58.54 | NightHawkTheSane | you can't say shit one way or another |
| 06:59.02 | Amarande | We'd probably better start up the addon survival guide soon, though |
| 06:59.49 | nevcairiel | the preload usually is at least 3 weeks before launch on big patches like this |
| 07:00.07 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ thus me "not a chance before december" mindset. |
| 07:00.09 | nevcairiel | also there isnt that much UI breakage to worry much |
| 07:00.35 | Amarande | nev: yeah, mostly it's going to be what's his name having to accept the day that QH dies. :) |
| 07:01.07 | Amarande | are the other quest log addons going to be broken beyond repair by the changes too, or is QG still okay? |
| 07:01.11 | nevcairiel | plus i'm not done with my 3.3 fixes for Mapster, so no patch next week! |
| 07:03.20 | guestpants | pouts |
| 07:03.29 | guestpants | matrices and multidimensional arrays are confusing |
| 07:03.33 | Amarande | Awwww, they have murloc collectible figures ... how cute |
| 07:04.27 | Trela | Patch finished downloading. :3 |
| 07:04.44 | Trela | looks into what is in the patch file. |
| 07:05.24 | nevcairiel | first push .. artwork and sounds |
| 07:05.32 | Amarande | Trela you naughty person, datamining ... Santa's only going to bring you [Coal] this year! :D |
| 07:05.46 | Trela | Lots of updates to the draenei female animations. |
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| 07:06.05 | guestpants | facedesks |
| 07:06.10 | Amarande | I remember being very disappointed my first Winter Veil when I realized I couldn't gift wrap lumps of coal. :( |
| 07:06.11 | guestpants | i think i need to go to bed... |
| 07:07.24 | Jerub | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/49362/onyxian-whelpling/ |
| 07:08.44 | Trela | Included in this update is a texture called TOTALLYRAD.BLP. |
| 07:09.06 | nevcairiel | totally rad? |
| 07:09.11 | Trela | Yep. |
| 07:09.41 | Trela | blinks. |
| 07:09.50 | Trela | ...There are THREE expansion folders in this! |
| 07:09.53 | Jerub | also, 'ScottG Test' |
| 07:10.01 | Jerub | http://db.mmo-champion.com/c/38883/scottg-test/ |
| 07:10.15 | Trela | Some Worgen stuff too. |
| 07:10.27 | nevcairiel | yeah they never managed to split their sources properly |
| 07:10.34 | nevcairiel | so patches sneaked some expansion stuff in |
| 07:10.47 | Jerub | they're probably laying groundwork for the plot |
| 07:11.57 | Trela | Gjalerbron? |
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| 07:15.13 | Jerub | wonders if you're going to be able to craft anything out of scales of onyxia that's lvl80 gear... |
| 07:15.31 | nevcairiel | fire resistance cloaks! |
| 07:15.32 | nevcairiel | oh wait |
| 07:15.49 | Jerub | has nearly a full stack of onyxia scales. |
| 07:15.54 | NightHawkTheSane | I think only cloaks are they only reason they left those in |
| 07:16.09 | nevcairiel | still the level 60 cloaks? |
| 07:16.19 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 07:16.22 | NightHawkTheSane | for bwl, likely |
| 07:16.28 | nevcairiel | does not wearing one kill a lvl 80 on nefarian? |
| 07:16.31 | NightHawkTheSane | so people aren't (potentially) fucked |
| 07:16.38 | NightHawkTheSane | dunno, maybe a poorly geared one at least |
| 07:16.55 | NightHawkTheSane | It's the kind of things you dont want to just remove, though |
| 07:17.09 | NightHawkTheSane | because people can still do that content at 60-80 as well |
| 07:18.42 | Jerub | i hate how it's only vanilla leather drops in onyxia's lair. |
| 07:18.54 | Jerub | I get a stack of 18 rugged per lair guard i skin ;) |
| 07:20.12 | Trela | listens to the Lich King, shivers! |
| 07:20.31 | nevcairiel | someone extracted voice overlays, eh |
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| 07:22.53 | Adys | Shirik Shirik Shirik |
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| 07:28.51 | Amarande | nev: the final tick of shadowflame is 20k, if I recall |
| 07:29.17 | Amarande | so yeah, squishies in non-highish end gear in particular might have problems |
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| 07:30.31 | guestpants | anyone awake that is good with tables? |
| 07:31.10 | Thunder_Child | only the kind that you set |
| 07:32.41 | nevcairiel | ~asktoask |
| 07:32.43 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 07:32.43 | nevcairiel | as usual |
| 07:34.03 | Torhal | guestpants: Yes, if you aren't careful it is incredibly wasteful of memory. |
| 07:34.42 | nevcairiel | thats a pretty dark attitude |
| 07:34.51 | nevcairiel | tables are fun! |
| 07:35.12 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Well, he was wanting to slap tables into tables into tables |
| 07:35.30 | Torhal | Like a multi-dimensional array, but more gnarly. |
| 07:36.53 | Duman | SV_GRAVITY=0 http://i.imgur.com/KKQvu.jpg |
| 07:37.25 | Duman | (not really, but still made me think of that ;) ) |
| 07:37.44 | nevcairiel | finding the perfect balance for that probably took a while |
| 07:38.03 | nevcairiel | (even if its as old as the internet) |
| 07:38.06 | Duman | hehe |
| 07:38.09 | Torhal | VERRA |
| 07:43.16 | guestpants | well, yes Torhal and purl i know.. I frequent IRC's, but when i was on an hour ago, no one really answered except Torhal :p |
| 07:43.46 | guestpants | just wanted to see if things have changed, and apparently my query proved that they had |
| 07:44.03 | Thunder_Child | uh, purl is a bot |
| 07:44.09 | guestpants | meh |
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| 07:44.18 | Torhal | ~botsnack |
| 07:44.18 | purl | Torhal: thanks |
| 07:44.37 | Yssaril | you still havent asked a question guestpants :P |
| 07:45.15 | Thunder_Child | ~obvious Torhal |
| 07:45.15 | purl | Obvious Torhal is obvious |
| 07:45.22 | Torhal | guestpants: Bets bet is to ask the question and stay on the channel. Someone might answer right away, or in three hours. :) |
| 07:45.31 | Torhal | s/Bets/Best/ |
| 07:45.43 | guestpants | so here's my issue, i'm trying to index monster kills by zone. So if I kill a kobold in Netherstorm, I want that recorded in my table. But, if I kill a kobold in Dustwallow, then I want to be able to distinguish between the two |
| 07:46.11 | Yssaril | imo make a table for each zone |
| 07:46.21 | Torhal | Mmmmm |
| 07:46.27 | Torhal | There are a lot of zones. |
| 07:46.34 | Torhal | And he may not use them all |
| 07:46.38 | guestpants | that is, indeed one option, but if I could use one table with each element holding a zone table, then it would be awesome |
| 07:46.45 | Yssaril | not enough to truelly matter memorywise though Torhal |
| 07:46.51 | NightHawkTheSane | you can pull the current zone |
| 07:46.52 | guestpants | but i'm pretty sure I can't add tables to a table after i declare it |
| 07:46.58 | Torhal | quYou can |
| 07:46.59 | NightHawkTheSane | you can |
| 07:47.01 | Torhal | guestpants: You can |
| 07:47.07 | guestpants | oh really... |
| 07:47.13 | Torhal | Yssaril: Aye, not to truly matter....but meh |
| 07:47.13 | guestpants | how? |
| 07:47.16 | NightHawkTheSane | just do table.zone = { foo, bar } |
| 07:47.19 | Yssaril | a={}, a[zone] = {} works jsut fine |
| 07:47.27 | NightHawkTheSane | or table["zone"] = {foo, bar} |
| 07:47.32 | NightHawkTheSane | or whatever |
| 07:47.38 | NightHawkTheSane | the same way you assign ANY value to a table |
| 07:47.39 | NightHawkTheSane | really |
| 07:47.43 | NightHawkTheSane | tables themselves are just values |
| 07:47.55 | Torhal | zone_list["Dustwallow Marsh]" = { kobold_kills = 0} |
| 07:48.01 | NightHawkTheSane | like more or less everything else in lua, it can be assigned to anything |
| 07:48.15 | guestpants | so, zones = {netherstorm = {}); and then zones[dustwallow] = {};? |
| 07:48.42 | Torhal | Something along those lines. |
| 07:48.46 | guestpants | hm |
| 07:48.53 | guestpants | so then my method does work/! |
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| 07:48.55 | guestpants | huzzah! |
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| 07:49.01 | guestpants | no need to hand write all the zones into tables! |
| 07:49.22 | Torhal | You can do: zones = { ["Netherstorm"] = {}, ["Dustwallow Marsh"] = {}, } |
| 07:49.23 | Fisker- | Shirikmen |
| 07:49.33 | Torhal | Or zones = {} |
| 07:49.39 | Torhal | Then, later, zones[ |
| 07:49.46 | Torhal | Fucking keyboard |
| 07:49.46 | Fisker- | you wouldn't Shirik a Shirik |
| 07:49.53 | Torhal | Then, later, zones["Netherstorm"] = {} |
| 07:50.43 | Torhal | you wouldn't troll IRC Fisker- |
| 07:50.45 | guestpants | oh man that makes my life a gazillion times easier |
| 07:51.17 | Torhal | guestpants: http://www.lua.org/pil/ <-- Programming in Lua |
| 07:51.31 | Yssaril | guestpants: and if you want to go above and bejond your SV will look something like this at the end http://paste.wowace.com/ :P |
| 07:51.49 | guestpants | paste.wowace.com? |
| 07:51.55 | Torhal | Yssaril: Hehe |
| 07:52.01 | Torhal | You didn't provide a pasty |
| 07:52.05 | Yssaril | bah http://paste.wowace.com/1438/ |
| 07:52.35 | Yssaril | thats my own personal loot/kill addon |
| 07:52.37 | guestpants | haha |
| 07:52.51 | Yssaril | records num kills and what has dropped of each mob and how many times |
| 07:53.19 | Yssaril | then compresses the info into a string on logout and only decompresses into a table as needed |
| 07:53.27 | guestpants | if you haven't guessed, I'm working on kill tracker |
| 07:53.30 | Yssaril | fun times :) |
| 07:53.40 | Yssaril | yep :) |
| 07:53.52 | guestpants | since i don't see one anywhere |
| 07:53.58 | guestpants | that works in this fashoin |
| 07:54.07 | guestpants | and is designed specifically for killing only |
| 07:54.13 | guestpants | its incorporated into a lot of addons |
| 07:54.16 | guestpants | but yeah |
| 07:54.29 | ccox | you mean mobinfo? |
| 07:54.40 | Yssaril | that still works ccox? |
| 07:54.50 | ccox | it has one bug, but mostly works |
| 07:54.55 | ccox | nobody's updating it, though |
| 07:54.56 | guestpants | historian does it too |
| 07:55.14 | guestpants | as does killcount, but that one is teeny and easy |
| 07:55.17 | Yssaril | simple kill counter would be neat though |
| 07:55.25 | guestpants | i actually used it to learn a lot about events because of its simplicity |
| 07:55.30 | guestpants | but it only counts total kills |
| 07:55.45 | Torhal | You killed 2,3910 Strand Crawlers. WHY?!? |
| 07:55.46 | Yssaril | though once you realize you have killed the same mob over 1000 times it becomes kinda sad |
| 07:55.47 | Torhal | :D |
| 07:55.47 | guestpants | well the next issue is trying to get all of the info from the tables into the UI nicely |
| 07:56.02 | guestpants | i'll program a reset button |
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| 07:56.40 | Yssaril | guestpants: you could simply append it to the unittooltip when you mouseover it in the game |
| 07:56.57 | guestpants | well, that solves showing it when you mouse over the mob |
| 07:57.02 | Torhal | Fisker-: What if the Hokey Pokey really _is_ what it's all about? |
| 07:57.10 | guestpants | but i want an actualy visible table of data that shows how many mobs you've killed of which kind and in which zone |
| 07:58.42 | guestpants | was just going to append rows anchored to each other |
| 07:59.16 | guestpants | i should clarify, the current goal/product is for a final project turn in for one of my classes |
| 07:59.16 | guestpants | legit development begins after there where I try to make it look pretty and work nicely |
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| 07:59.24 | Yssaril | you will need some sort of scrollframe |
| 07:59.34 | guestpants | that might be too complicated |
| 07:59.43 | guestpants | is there a place that stores the saved variables after each session? |
| 07:59.50 | guestpants | that I could pull up and show to the class? |
| 07:59.52 | Yssaril | yep |
| 07:59.56 | guestpants | where is it? |
| 07:59.59 | Fisker- | i would never troll IRC Torhal |
| 08:00.01 | guestpants | and is it plaintext? |
| 08:00.21 | Yssaril | World of Warcraft\WTF\Account\accountname\SavedVariables |
| 08:00.26 | guestpants | ahh |
| 08:00.31 | guestpants | good to know |
| 08:00.40 | guestpants | i think I'll keep the UI I have righ tnow |
| 08:00.49 | guestpants | which is just a small box that has two labvels |
| 08:00.50 | Yssaril | unless its a character specific SV then you have to dig further into it |
| 08:00.53 | guestpants | current zone and last kill |
| 08:01.01 | guestpants | well |
| 08:01.12 | guestpants | its a table that should be saved separately for each toon |
| 08:01.49 | Torhal | SavedVariablesPerCharacter in the ToC. |
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| 08:02.39 | guestpants | yeah |
| 08:02.39 | Yssaril | that or use a subtable in the general SV for each character (using servername-charactername works great as a tablekey) |
| 08:03.33 | Yssaril | i personaly like to keep everything in the general SV file since everything is in one spot and i don;t ahve to go digging through all the server/char folders |
| 08:03.40 | guestpants | found it |
| 08:03.49 | guestpants | savedvariables folder in the characters folder |
| 08:03.58 | zenzio | "I've been waiting a long long time for standardization of integer types." -- I love those kinds of puns |
| 08:03.59 | guestpants | looking at my two assigned percharacter variables |
| 08:04.13 | guestpants | heh |
| 08:04.39 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzio: nice. |
| 08:05.36 | guestpants | so back to tables in tables, how would i reference the tables for comparison purposes and assignment purposes? |
| 08:05.58 | Yssaril | just like you would values in a table |
| 08:06.59 | guestpants | so zone.netherstorm["kobold"] = 3; if(zone.netherstorm["kobold"] == nil) etc.? |
| 08:08.12 | Yssaril | i would do table[zonename][mobname] = table[zonename][mobname] + 1 or 1 |
| 08:08.27 | guestpants | oh, that works? |
| 08:08.37 | guestpants | i thought that was only for matrices |
| 08:08.47 | Yssaril | before that you would need table[zonename] = table[zonename] or {} though |
| 08:08.59 | guestpants | well right |
| 08:09.00 | Yssaril | there are no matrices in lua :P |
| 08:09.06 | guestpants | the table would have to be created first |
| 08:09.44 | Yssaril | and then i assume you are adding one per kill you just add one if its already there or set it to 1 |
| 08:09.54 | guestpants | http://apache.dataloss.nl/~peter/www.lua.org/pil/11.2.html |
| 08:10.04 | guestpants | right |
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| 08:10.11 | Torhal | guestpants: "to REPRESENT matrices" |
| 08:10.12 | guestpants | i've got that much of the psuedo code figured out |
| 08:10.12 | guestpants | :p |
| 08:10.19 | guestpants | oh |
| 08:10.20 | guestpants | right |
| 08:10.21 | guestpants | <.< |
| 08:10.29 | guestpants | in before lrn2read :\ |
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| 08:10.39 | Torhal | Heh |
| 08:11.10 | guestpants | http://i47.tinypic.com/5o57if.jpg |
| 08:11.13 | guestpants | read ^ |
| 08:11.16 | guestpants | not photoshopped |
| 08:11.17 | guestpants | try it yourself |
| 08:11.18 | guestpants | :p |
| 08:11.24 | Yssaril | table[zonename][mobname] = table[zonename][mobname] + 1 or 1 is technically not psuedo code if table zonename and mobname are non nil and table is a tbel |
| 08:11.54 | guestpants | no i mean, i did my psuedo code for the project before i started, and i had that logic figured in already |
| 08:12.02 | Yssaril | ahhh :) |
| 08:12.06 | guestpants | the, add 1 if it exists, or create |
| 08:12.13 | guestpants | i was so happy to i didn't have to write a search algorithm |
| 08:12.17 | guestpants | just compare to nil |
| 08:12.18 | guestpants | :D |
| 08:12.49 | Yssaril | guestpants: your not using an if then statment? |
| 08:13.11 | Yssaril | i would just use logic to assign the correct thing right away |
| 08:13.30 | guestpants | i am using an if statement |
| 08:13.33 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* it took all of 6 hours to beat MW2 single player. |
| 08:13.38 | zenzio | "...by someone claiming to be Google engineer Dan Morrill" -- "Yeah, it could also be one of those lame Dan Morrill impersonators who solve perplexing engineering/programming issues, then post the solution under his name. MAN that's annoying.." -- haha |
| 08:13.50 | zenzio | Thunder_Child: same |
| 08:13.55 | zenzio | Thunder_Child: what difficulty? |
| 08:14.08 | Thunder_Child | the one just below hardest |
| 08:14.16 | guestpants | if(zone.nether["kobold"] == nil) then zone.nether["kobold"] = 1; else zone.nether["kobold"] = zone.nether["kobold"]+1; |
| 08:14.25 | Thunder_Child | zenzio, veteran i think |
| 08:14.40 | zenzio | at the end of MW2 I had found only one "evidence", whatever it's called... kept feeling I never had time to look for them, the way they were always shouting at me to do stuff |
| 08:15.02 | Yssaril | guestpants: zone.nether["kobold"] = zone.nether["kobold"]+1 or 1 |
| 08:15.04 | Fisker- | do want guestpants |
| 08:15.23 | guestpants | Fisker-: hm? |
| 08:15.25 | Yssaril | thats the equivilant of your if then statment and works :) |
| 08:15.28 | guestpants | Yssaril: that works? |
| 08:15.31 | guestpants | :D |
| 08:15.33 | Yssaril | yes :) |
| 08:15.35 | Fisker- | doesn't work here btw :( |
| 08:15.51 | guestpants | what doesn't work? |
| 08:15.58 | zenzio | Fisker- doesn't work |
| 08:16.02 | krka | Yssaril: your code doesn't make sense |
| 08:16.21 | krka | the "or 1" doesn't do anything |
| 08:16.22 | Yssaril | bah yea forgot something |
| 08:16.24 | Yssaril | zone.nether["kobold"] = zone.nether["kobold"] and zone.nether["kobold"]+1 or 1 |
| 08:16.27 | Yssaril | there you go |
| 08:16.47 | guestpants | hm |
| 08:16.49 | zenzio | ... could this be done by metatables and an "increase" function? |
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| 08:16.57 | krka | i'd personally go for zone.nether["kobold"] = (zone.nether["kobold"] or 0) + 1 |
| 08:17.17 | guestpants | hm, that does seem rather graceful |
| 08:17.22 | Yssaril | that would work too |
| 08:17.34 | guestpants | zenzio: if i was more knowledgable about lua i might brave metatables |
| 08:17.41 | guestpants | i've been programming lua for a week and a half... |
| 08:17.43 | Yssaril | zenzio: then you would have the function overhead though |
| 08:17.59 | guestpants | krka: can i use that? :p |
| 08:18.02 | guestpants | since you created it |
| 08:18.13 | Fisker- | the google search stuff |
| 08:18.28 | zenzio | Yssaril: yeah, but there was a time when most suggestions in this channel involved metatables =D |
| 08:18.29 | Yssaril | its a standard lua statement guestpants so yea you can use it |
| 08:18.30 | guestpants | Fisker-: oh, well it works here in illinois, and the pic was shot from a user in cali |
| 08:18.52 | guestpants | just want to make sure ideas are attributed |
| 08:18.59 | krka | err sure |
| 08:19.01 | Yssaril | zenzio: there is a time and a place :) |
| 08:19.05 | krka | that's a _very_ common lua idiom |
| 08:19.07 | krka | i hardly own it |
| 08:19.11 | guestpants | ok |
| 08:19.16 | zenzio | Yssaril: yeah, I'm just messing around :) |
| 08:19.16 | guestpants | shrugs |
| 08:19.33 | Yssaril | though metatables are SWEET |
| 08:19.46 | Torhal | guestpants: You can drop the semi-colons, BTW. This isn't C/C++ |
| 08:19.52 | zenzio | for (int i = 0; i < count; ++i) // Thanks mr. Jacobs for coming up with this one |
| 08:20.23 | Torhal | zenzio: I copyrighted "int i", |
| 08:20.44 | guestpants | :/ stop making fun of me! |
| 08:20.46 | guestpants | pouts |
| 08:21.03 | guestpants | i'm still in college |
| 08:21.05 | Torhal | raises an eyebrow. |
| 08:21.09 | Torhal | I never went. |
| 08:21.22 | zenzio | guestpants: we're not making fun of you :-) |
| 08:21.33 | guestpants | well ya kind of are |
| 08:21.36 | zenzio | it's all friendly jesting |
| 08:21.37 | guestpants | but the blow is above the belt |
| 08:21.39 | guestpants | so i'm all go |
| 08:21.41 | zenzio | except Fisker-, he's just a troll |
| 08:21.42 | krka | print("hello", "world") -- print usage pattern copyrighted by krka, all rights reserved |
| 08:21.43 | guestpants | good |
| 08:22.17 | guestpants | i didn't mean so much the code anyway, but the logic behind it. but since there isn't much logic in that one statement, then yeah |
| 08:22.23 | Fisker- | i never troll zenzio |
| 08:22.33 | guestpants | you should |
| 08:22.45 | Fisker- | patent it krka |
| 08:22.54 | guestpants | you should troll the what why are these strawberries on my nipples i need them for the fruit salad google search |
| 08:22.57 | Fisker- | I can see the patent application already |
| 08:23.06 | Fisker- | "An application that greets the world" |
| 08:23.15 | guestpants | $2 |
| 08:23.25 | guestpants | only .99 cents on the app store! |
| 08:23.36 | Fisker- | i'm just not cool enough guestpants |
| 08:23.39 | guestpants | hiss retail |
| 08:23.43 | guestpants | :\ |
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| 08:28.42 | Amarande | good lord there's a lot of enchanter QQ about 3.3. |
| 08:29.04 | Fisker- | why? |
| 08:29.19 | Amarande | Fisker: 'chanters feel like they are being forced to provide their services without a choice in the matter |
| 08:29.27 | Fisker- | OH MY GOD |
| 08:29.30 | Fisker- | THE HUGE MANATEE |
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| 08:29.33 | Amarande | and say that their profession is being specifically targeted for that because none of the other ones have to. |
| 08:29.52 | Fisker- | I guess it is kinda true though |
| 08:29.57 | Amarande | yeah |
| 08:30.01 | Fisker- | where's the "unlock" roll button for lockboxes |
| 08:30.16 | Fisker- | and where's the alchimist weed button for the bag in freya's chest? |
| 08:30.34 | zenzio | Patch 4.0: Herbs and ore gathered in a party will be automatically turned into potions or smelted into bars |
| 08:30.42 | Fisker- | My biggest annoyance is that it's prone to win-streaks |
| 08:30.48 | Fisker- | so you can run a few heroics and get nothing |
| 08:30.50 | guestpants | when i saw that posted on wow.com there were a lot of good points on both sides |
| 08:30.54 | guestpants | i'm an enchanter and i hate sharing my stuff |
| 08:31.02 | Amarande | zenzio: heh, that reminds me of my joke once about gear simplification |
| 08:31.04 | guestpants | but thats because i never learned to share in grade school |
| 08:31.24 | Amarande | by patch 5.0: all gear will have all stats removed and replaced by a single stat called "zomg", thus making it easy for people to determine the gearedness of a character. |
| 08:31.26 | guestpants | but enchanting is a bit different than other gathering professions |
| 08:31.40 | Amarande | Gear with more +zomg is always superior to other gear, and that's all there is to it. |
| 08:31.41 | zenzio | Amarande: haha |
| 08:31.53 | guestpants | i sincerely hope it doesn't get that simnple |
| 08:31.55 | Fisker- | I find the ICC-way of doing raid the stupidest one ever :o |
| 08:32.00 | guestpants | i'm already annoyed at the current simplification |
| 08:32.03 | Amarande | guestpants: they might have PvE zomg and PvP zomg. :) |
| 08:32.10 | guestpants | >.< |
| 08:32.11 | Amarande | actually, they already have zomg for pvp gear, it's called resilience :( |
| 08:32.12 | Torhal | Amarande: It won't be that simple. There will be two stats: zomg and win. |
| 08:32.15 | Fisker- | ToTC was the perfect amount of awesome |
| 08:32.25 | Fisker- | Only thing it needed was more bosses |
| 08:32.32 | Fisker- | and no or little gateway stuff |
| 08:32.37 | Amarande | resil has gotten to the point where it's often the only stat people ask about for PvP gearedness. :S |
| 08:33.08 | zenzio | Patch 5.1: boss fights replaced by coin toss. Heads, you all get loot, tail, you all die |
| 08:33.12 | guestpants | i'm grateful that all my warlock requires to pwn shit is for me to smash my face into the keyboard multiple times |
| 08:33.17 | guestpants | it just magically works out |
| 08:34.01 | Fisker- | naw zenzio |
| 08:34.19 | Fisker- | patch 5.1 Boss Fights replaced with quick-time events. |
| 08:34.38 | guestpants | man i need to sleep |
| 08:34.39 | guestpants | :x |
| 08:34.47 | zenzio | Fisker-: you mean QuickTime |
| 08:34.50 | guestpants | see ya guys tomorrow probably |
| 08:34.53 | guestpants | thanks for all the help |
| 08:34.57 | Fisker- | whatever zenzio |
| 08:35.05 | zenzio | have fun guestpants |
| 08:35.42 | Fisker- | i hope you die zenzio |
| 08:35.56 | zenzio | oh I will, just not yet |
| 08:36.08 | zenzio | but I can assure you it'll be within the next 100 years |
| 08:37.39 | Fisker- | i can assure you it'll be within the next 100 days |
| 08:38.28 | zenzio | I bet you 1000 liters of milk it won't |
| 08:38.37 | nevcairiel | I plan to live longer then 100 years from now! i mean, in 100 years, medicin should handle that, right? :P |
| 08:39.14 | zenzio | the way I see it, medical technology may extend our life time, but I don't believe the human psyche is anywhere near ready for it |
| 08:39.25 | zenzio | hell, many people don't handle living past 60 |
| 08:39.45 | Fisker- | zenzio won't handle living past 100 days |
| 08:39.47 | Fisker- | from now |
| 08:40.10 | zenzio | that may be true |
| 08:40.28 | nevcairiel | hell most people dont handle living past 20 |
| 08:40.39 | nevcairiel | but i feel that i'll manage :P |
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| 08:44.24 | Amarande | Fisker: what, is zenzio on that one planet from Stargate SG-1 now? :) |
| 08:44.46 | Fisker- | naw |
| 08:47.17 | zenzio | Fisker- just plans to have me assassinated |
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| 08:50.56 | zenzio | "However, although most independent[who?] estimates found the bug to be of little importance[citation needed] and would have negligible effect[citation needed] on most users, it caused a great public outcry.[citation needed] Companies like IBM (whose IBM 5x86C microprocessor competed at that time with the Intel Pentium line) joined the condemnation.[citation needed]" |
| 08:51.11 | zenzio | someone's been eagerly modding that page |
| 08:51.59 | Amarande | It's Citationneededpedia! |
| 08:55.35 | Fisker- | You wouldn't cite a citation even if it was needed |
| 08:56.36 | Thunder_Child | cites Fisker- |
| 09:01.16 | Fisker- | reverts vandalism |
| 09:03.44 | olafski | doesn't sound too eager.. if you're claiming stuff like that you might want to back it up :P |
| 09:08.48 | Fisker- | you wouldn't be mean to me olafski |
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| 09:25.53 | Adys | so i just found out |
| 09:26.06 | Adys | a game ive been playing for years is almost entirely open source |
| 09:30.30 | Fisker- | rapelay? |
| 09:30.36 | Fisker- | hohos |
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| 09:40.35 | Adys | !api hidden |
| 09:40.36 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'hidden'. |
| 09:40.38 | Adys | !api hide |
| 09:40.38 | lua_bot | Found 7 possible results for 'hide': OnHide, OnMovieHideSubtitle, PET_BAR_HIDEGRID, PET_BAR_HIDE, ACTIONBAR_HIDEGRID, HideRepairCursor, VisibleRegion:Hide |
| 09:47.30 | Adys | !api shown |
| 09:47.30 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'shown': SetChatWindowShown, VisibleRegion:IsShown |
| 09:50.51 | Arrowmaster | oh fuck i cant stop rolling around in my chair laughing |
| 09:51.19 | Fisker- | straps Arrowmaster in |
| 09:51.42 | Arrowmaster | laughing so hard i woke my mom up |
| 09:52.19 | Fisker- | straps Arrowmaster's mom in |
| 09:52.24 | Arrowmaster | Seitokai no Ichizon is definitely one of my top favorite animes now |
| 09:53.01 | tekkub | g |
| 09:53.06 | tekkub | ..damnit |
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| 10:12.04 | Adys | lua> ("/script foo"):gsub("^/script") |
| 10:12.04 | lua_bot | Adys: luabot:1: bad argument #2 to 'gsub' (string/function/table expected) |
| 10:12.16 | Adys | huh er |
| 10:12.37 | Adys | lua> string.gsub("/script foo", "^/script") |
| 10:12.37 | lua_bot | Adys: luabot:1: bad argument #3 to 'gsub' (string/function/table expected) |
| 10:12.56 | Adys | oh |
| 10:13.18 | Adys | lua> ("/script foo"):match("^/script") |
| 10:13.18 | lua_bot | Adys: /script |
| 10:13.25 | Adys | lua> ("fapme/script foo"):match("^/script") |
| 10:13.25 | lua_bot | Adys: nil |
| 10:15.48 | Adys | lua>loadstring("1+1==2")() |
| 10:15.48 | lua_bot | Adys: luabot:1: attempt to call a nil value |
| 10:16.16 | Adys | anyone good with loadstring? |
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| 10:21.47 | Adys | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1539 |
| 10:25.13 | Fisker- | haste my friend |
| 10:25.30 | Fisker- | know any swedish pricesites á la newegg, etc? |
| 10:27.02 | Wobin | lets see what Mr Punctuation says about DA:O |
| 10:28.06 | smcn | speaking of da:o, i just killed broodmother... if there was just one parallel to a wow/mmo boss in the game that would be it |
| 10:28.23 | Kalroth | Fisker-: http://www.komplett.se/ |
| 10:29.56 | Fisker- | naw Kalroth |
| 10:29.58 | Fisker- | that was obvious |
| 10:30.03 | Fisker- | but not what i'm looking for :P |
| 10:30.13 | Kalroth | what then? |
| 10:30.31 | Kalroth | newegg.com isn't edbpriser.dk, it's a single supplier |
| 10:31.13 | Fisker- | fu then |
| 10:31.17 | Fisker- | giev edbpriser.se then |
| 10:34.30 | Kalroth | Fisker: http://www.prisjakt.nu/ - http://www.pricerunner.se/ - http://www.kelkoo.se/ |
| 10:35.48 | Kalroth | Fisker- sux |
| 10:36.29 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 10:36.31 | Fisker- | i love you |
| 10:36.35 | Fisker- | sucks Kalroth off |
| 10:47.31 | Legorol | EU launcher has started background downloading. Exciting. |
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| 10:48.45 | zenzio | omg wow is downloading dataz behind my back! |
| 10:53.25 | olafski | bastards! |
| 10:59.03 | Legorol | Here's an interesing issue: one of my fellow tanks has read about the -20% dodge aura in ICC, and has concluded that "that means I should stop stacking dodge and start stacking parry!" |
| 10:59.17 | Legorol | How do I explain to him intelligently that he is wrong? What would be the simplest argument to understand? |
| 11:01.07 | zenzio | tough question |
| 11:04.12 | olafski | beats people saying "I'll lose all avoidance then" ;) |
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| 11:26.58 | Legorol | In the end I went with this analogy: "If there was an aura that removed 5k Hp from all players, that wouldn't make stamina a bad stat, it would just lower the baseline" |
| 11:27.02 | Legorol | He seemed to understand that |
| 11:31.03 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, it *does* mean that avoidance is less valuable, however, due to their diminishing returns behavior |
| 11:31.34 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: sort of |
| 11:31.39 | Legorol | but it doesn't make parry > dodge |
| 11:31.45 | ZorbaTHut | that is true :) |
| 11:31.56 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: also, avoidance is less valuable than what? |
| 11:31.58 | ZorbaTHut | the relative values of parry and dodge are unchanged |
| 11:32.05 | Legorol | it is only less valuable compared to itself.. which is a meaningless comparison |
| 11:32.14 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, stamina. assuming they were balanced before (which they weren't, but) stamina is now better |
| 11:32.25 | ZorbaTHut | as it is, stamina was better before, and now it's *really* better. |
| 11:32.30 | Legorol | i don't think you can ever make an EH vs. avoidance comparison ;) |
| 11:32.39 | Legorol | i believe that's the only one and true genuine choice left in this game :) |
| 11:32.58 | ZorbaTHut | I think you can. There are fights where you want more of one than the other, but there's pretty much always a breakeven point where X EHP = Y avoidance |
| 11:33.14 | Legorol | there's never a mathematical equivalence |
| 11:33.16 | ZorbaTHut | otherwise it would be literally impossible to make such a choice |
| 11:33.23 | ZorbaTHut | no, but there's a relative-value-to-the-player equivalence |
| 11:33.25 | Legorol | there are definitely fights where one is more useful than the other, depending on the nature of the fight |
| 11:33.42 | Legorol | but that's the good thing: it depends on the fight, and smart tank chooses |
| 11:33.49 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, take any fight in the game, any fight whatsoever. Offer the player a choice between 100,000 more HP and 1% more avoidance. They're going to choose the HP. |
| 11:33.51 | Legorol | and yah, there's a fuzzy breakeven line for sure |
| 11:33.55 | Legorol | of course |
| 11:34.08 | ZorbaTHut | Now take that same fight and offer a choice between 100 more HP and 50% avoidance. They're going to choose the avoidance. |
| 11:34.09 | Legorol | what i meant is that a hard breakeven line has not been properly theorycrafted |
| 11:34.14 | ZorbaTHut | Somewhere between those points is a breakeven line. |
| 11:34.23 | ZorbaTHut | I don't think proper theorycrafting is necessary to prove that the line exists, though |
| 11:34.24 | Legorol | there is one attempt at a mathematical relation between EH and avoidance that i have read, it's quite a nice article |
| 11:34.31 | ZorbaTHut | we may not know where it mathematically is, but there is such a line. |
| 11:34.39 | Legorol | saw it on tankspot, it's very long and math heavy, with statistical analysis etc., it's really good read |
| 11:34.43 | Legorol | but not very practicabl |
| 11:34.47 | ZorbaTHut | With -20% dodge, the line is pushed significantly further in favor of EHP being awesome. |
| 11:35.02 | Legorol | that's true |
| 11:35.07 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, any idea where I can find that article? |
| 11:35.11 | Legorol | however, consider this counterargument |
| 11:35.16 | ZorbaTHut | (tankspot is a big site :P) |
| 11:35.17 | Legorol | i'll find the link for you in a minute :) |
| 11:35.23 | ZorbaTHut | alright cool :) |
| 11:35.36 | Legorol | actually nvm, my counterargument is flawed, i'll just look for the link |
| 11:35.47 | Legorol | i don't remember where it wasw, but if i go looking i'm likely to find it again faster |
| 11:36.55 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: http://www.tankspot.com/forums/f200/37241-power-avoidance-preliminary-results.html |
| 11:37.03 | ZorbaTHut | sweet, thanks |
| 11:37.07 | Legorol | it's a very good read imo, i enjoyed it but would need to spend more time rereading to fully grasp it |
| 11:45.06 | ZorbaTHut | good article, yeah |
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| 12:08.36 | Wobin | Legorol, Our fuzzy breakeven line is our beartank |
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| 12:16.08 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/11/bus-campaign/ |
| 12:18.17 | zenzio | good campaign |
| 12:18.52 | Adys | ya they got great posters |
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| 12:25.21 | Adys | http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8193/swapfile.jpg |
| 12:26.19 | Kalroth | a Quantum drive! |
| 12:27.45 | zenzio | you've not just filled the drive, you crammed in an additional 30 GB |
| 12:29.21 | Grum | its because of a german windows ofc =D |
| 12:38.27 | Wobin | Adys, that's an awesome campaign |
| 12:39.17 | Adys | it is |
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| 13:01.55 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 13:01.57 | Fisker | i gotta pee |
| 13:03.09 | Fisker | Kids get used for political messages all the time |
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| 13:06.44 | Wobin | well don't hold it in, Fisker |
| 13:06.51 | Wobin | You could end up like that Korean dude |
| 13:06.53 | Wobin | who DIED |
| 13:07.25 | Fisker | holy shit |
| 13:07.46 | Ancu1 | loathing7 |
| 13:08.05 | Ancu1 | whoops, this isnt my capcha |
| 13:08.26 | Fisker | your password is horrible |
| 13:08.43 | Ancu1 | thats not a pass, its a capcha |
| 13:08.58 | Ancu1 | you know annoying image |
| 13:09.06 | Fisker | you're busted Ancu |
| 13:09.27 | Adys | now thats what i call a coincidental captcha |
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| 13:09.41 | Ancu1 | bastered |
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| 13:12.20 | Adys | SHIRIK |
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| 13:15.59 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:22.45 | Adys | Sur la planete Shadok, il y avait deux sortes de Shadok: |
| 13:22.46 | Adys | - Des Shadoks avec les pieds en bas qui vivaient au dessus de la planete |
| 13:22.46 | Adys | - Des Shadoks avec les pieds en haut qui vivaient en dessous de la planete. Ils la soutenaient pour pas qu'elle tombe. |
| 13:23.19 | alestane | "Low feet" and "high feet'? |
| 13:24.31 | alestane | I don't recognize "dessus" and "dessous" or "soutenaient." But it's also been years since I took French. |
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| 13:27.39 | Wobin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Les_Shadoks |
| 13:28.16 | Wobin | ? |
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| 13:41.19 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:51.53 | Lopeppeppy | hi hi. |
| 13:52.14 | alestane | W00t! Signet of Edward the ODD just dropped! |
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| 13:53.28 | Lopeppeppy | This is goodness? |
| 13:53.41 | alestane | Level 80- BoE Melee DPS ring. |
| 13:53.45 | alestane | Epic grade. |
| 13:54.21 | mitch0 | I'm waiting for Signet of Edward the EVEN |
| 13:54.46 | alestane | Or porribly Edward the Mundane. |
| 13:54.49 | alestane | possibly* |
| 13:55.19 | alestane | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44308 |
| 13:55.43 | Lopeppeppy | Edward the sparkly pants |
| 13:57.35 | taleden | sparkly pants... would that be Edward the Queer? |
| 13:58.03 | Lopeppeppy | Vampire in Twilight |
| 14:03.41 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:03.54 | Lopeppeppy | Good morning to you too. |
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| 14:13.49 | mikma | haste: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/epicyodawg.jpg |
| 14:14.47 | mikma | cairenn: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/17_things_worth_knowing_about_your_cat_-_the_oatmeal_-.png |
| 14:18.43 | Lopeppeppy | Awww, kitty. |
| 14:18.53 | Wobin | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/coffee |
| 14:19.10 | Wobin | http://theoatmeal.com/comics/pets_war |
| 14:19.24 | Wobin | hehe |
| 14:19.42 | Wobin | "Disguise your dog as a panzer tank. (The enemy will not know the difference)" |
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| 14:21.31 | alestane | "Kitties are not impressed by cupcakes." |
| 14:22.17 | Lopeppeppy | But packing peanuts, omg! |
| 14:22.43 | Wobin | http://theoatmeal.com/quiz/bear_balls |
| 14:22.44 | Lopeppeppy | Moose dumped the trash again last night, just to get the packing peanuts out and scatter them everywhere. |
| 14:23.14 | alestane | "Taurine is also an ingredient in most energy drinks (but this doesn't mean you should give them to your cat)." |
| 14:23.36 | alestane | Packing Peanuts are the sort of thing that make kitties crazy. |
| 14:23.44 | Shirik | Adys Adys Adys |
| 14:23.48 | Shirik | wtf do you want |
| 14:23.48 | Lopeppeppy | Wobin, I would survive for 38 seconds. |
| 14:24.14 | Wobin | [disabled count] people have taken this quiz |
| 14:24.51 | bleeter | I want [Ring of Edward the pi^e] |
| 14:25.21 | zenzio | Ring of Edward the NaN |
| 14:25.51 | Shirik | wtf is pi^e |
| 14:25.58 | Shirik | e^jpi makes sense |
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| 14:26.13 | Wobin | pi^e |
| 14:26.15 | zenzio | what's jpi? Some Japanese vresion of pi? |
| 14:26.23 | Shirik | j*pi |
| 14:26.36 | Wobin | Ap^2le pi^e |
| 14:28.03 | krka | isn't it more common to use i instead of j for imaginary unit? |
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| 14:29.06 | Fisker | i want to kill you Shirik |
| 14:29.06 | Fisker | deal? |
| 14:29.35 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, I would survive for 10 seconds |
| 14:30.19 | Mikk | declares zenzio the winner |
| 14:30.31 | Lopeppeppy | Excellent, Shirik. |
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| 14:30.47 | Shirik | Scientists and engineers at IBM revealed yesterday that they have created the largest brain simulation on a supercomputer to date. The number of neurons and synapses in the simulation exceed those in a cat's brain; |
| 14:30.49 | Mikk | And there's nothing wrong with pi^e |
| 14:30.49 | Lopeppeppy | I think having eaten bear meat, and knowing not to bother climbing a tree or running away probably helped me. |
| 14:30.54 | Mikk | It's just... a bit unexciting |
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| 14:31.25 | Lopeppeppy | And I have to confess something, Shirik. *blush* I bought Mountain Dew on the way to work. This narcoleptic falling asleep at work crap has to stop, someone's gonna catch me. |
| 14:31.36 | Shirik | !! |
| 14:31.54 | Fisker | Shirik i would survive for 29 seconds |
| 14:31.54 | Fisker | wee |
| 14:32.11 | Shirik | but not tomorrow right? |
| 14:32.34 | Kraps | c[_] this is the cup of care. it's empty |
| 14:32.36 | Lopeppeppy | Hopefully not, Shirik. And of course, once we know why I have this chronic fever, I'll get all better and not be so tired out all the time. |
| 14:32.49 | Shirik | ok you are forgiven :) |
| 14:32.59 | Lopeppeppy | *kiss kiss* |
| 14:32.59 | Shirik | you should try getting better |
| 14:33.08 | Shirik | more important |
| 14:33.14 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:33.27 | Fisker | i'd survive an eternity after slapping Shirik with a trout |
| 14:33.39 | alestane | sneds cats to eat all of Fisker's fish. Om nom nom. |
| 14:33.55 | Lopeppeppy | I am, just waiting for all kinds of test results. My top favorites are mono and thyroid. |
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| 14:36.13 | Adys | Pour résumer simplement les choses, disons que, d'une part, leur haut àeux était plus bas que le bas de ceux d'en haut, et que, d'autre part, leur bas etait excessivement au dessus de leur haut, de sorte que, quand un Shadok d'en bas voulait tomber d'assez haut, par exemple, il fallait qu'il saute de bien plus bas que si le haut avait été nettement au dessous.. c'est àdire en realite au dessus du bas... ou quelquechose comme ca. Pour le reste, c' |
| 14:36.14 | Adys | était pareil. |
| 14:36.29 | Lopeppeppy | Why? |
| 14:36.32 | Adys | france gets awesomer the older you dig. |
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| 14:36.39 | Wobin | ~x fr en Pour résumer simplement les choses, disons que, d'une part, leur haut à eux était plus bas que le bas de ceux d'en haut, et que, d'autre part, leur bas etait excessivement au dessus de leur haut, de sorte que, quand un Shadok d'en bas voulait tomber d'assez haut, par exemple, il fallait qu'il saute de bien plus bas que si le haut avait été nettement au dessous.. c'est à dire en realite au dessus du bas... ou quelquechose comme ca. Pour le |
| 14:36.39 | Wobin | reste |
| 14:37.05 | haste | html entities?! |
| 14:37.32 | Kraps | wtf people |
| 14:38.22 | amro | looks like engrish |
| 14:39.08 | Adys | amro: wow finally |
| 14:39.11 | Adys | wtf you been doing |
| 14:39.16 | Adys | btw shadoks = awesome |
| 14:39.16 | amro | oversleeping |
| 14:39.34 | Shirik | lol |
| 14:39.36 | Kraps | i think we will have cybernetics before good automatic translators |
| 14:39.37 | Shirik | I like this email I got |
| 14:39.38 | Shirik | "Please view the email in HTML mode." |
| 14:40.29 | Trela | sniffles, sneezes. |
| 14:41.17 | Shirik | Adys |
| 14:41.20 | Shirik | wtf why you ignore me |
| 14:41.25 | Shirik | Adys Adys Adys |
| 14:41.28 | Adys | SHIRIK |
| 14:41.34 | Adys | DID I MENTION SHADOKS |
| 14:41.41 | Shirik | NO YOU DID NOT |
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| 14:44.04 | Shirik | Adys |
| 14:44.06 | Shirik | wtf do you want |
| 14:44.07 | Shirik | seriously |
| 14:44.19 | Shirik | you pinged me like 500 times while I was asleep |
| 14:44.42 | Shirik | and now you're like ohhhh nm lulz |
| 14:45.44 | Shirik | fine fu |
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| 14:49.09 | Kraps | "people like whats familiar, thats why blizzard recently bought their 14th yacht" http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1096-Dragon-Age-Origins |
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| 14:53.59 | Adys | meh |
| 14:54.03 | Adys | fail disconnects |
| 14:54.09 | Adys | Shirik: did you sleep with amro or what |
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| 15:02.36 | Shirik | yes Adys |
| 15:02.48 | Adys | ok |
| 15:02.59 | alestane | "What," presumably. |
| 15:11.26 | Bruners | what do you swedes pay for box on general lös now? |
| 15:11.44 | Kraps | good argument about game studios not laughing all the way to the bank http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/columns/going-gold/6790-You-Get-What-You-Pay-For |
| 15:19.26 | Kraps | Jonathan Ross is a good interviewer |
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| 15:26.59 | amro | Kraps: actually, the main reason is assets |
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| 15:27.49 | Lopeppeppy | Why is it so hard to find news on a college campus? What the heck is up? |
| 15:28.32 | Kraps | amro: what do you mean? |
| 15:29.06 | amro | Kraps: I mean development costs didn't skyrocket because developers cram "features", it's because the assets are far more costly to produce |
| 15:29.27 | Kraps | isnt that the same thing? |
| 15:29.29 | amro | instead of hiring 3 dudes to work on pixelated baddies, you hire 30 people to pump out 60-billion polygon models |
| 15:29.31 | amro | no |
| 15:30.08 | ZorbaTHut | "assets" in gamedev-speak are things like monster models, textures, sounds, levels, writing, etc. it's the stuff that isn't code, basically. |
| 15:30.12 | alestane | Actually, you want to keep the polygon counts as low as is feasible, but that carries its own challenges. |
| 15:30.20 | alestane | Actually, code is an asset too. |
| 15:30.23 | amro | alestane: of course, but they're still getting bigger |
| 15:30.23 | ZorbaTHut | also sometimes known as "content". |
| 15:30.50 | amro | generally, it doesn't cost much more to make a better engine, but it does cost a hell of a lot more to make content that showcases the engine |
| 15:31.08 | ZorbaTHut | alestane, in the gamedev circles I've been in, "asset" is a term that does not refer to code. I suspect a lot of this terminology is regional or cultural, however |
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| 15:31.23 | amro | ZorbaTHut: indeed |
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| 15:32.17 | amro | more content also means more QA, more translators, more people to manage those more people, etc etc |
| 15:32.38 | amro | this is why simply reusing the engine doesn't cut costs by that much if you still have to make the content from scratch |
| 15:33.20 | zenzelezz | <amro> alestane: of course, but they're still getting bigger <--- you should stay off the steroids |
| 15:33.27 | amro | (also why most indie games feature simple graphics even if they have deep and advanced gameplay) |
| 15:34.00 | alestane | I was listening last night to a panel on Game AI development, and one of the things someone was ranting about was that while processors are getting faster, the fact that the models and environments are getting more complex is a huge headache for things like raycasting to determine whether a unit is visible to an NPC. |
| 15:34.08 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, even something like Braid has fundamentally very cheap and simple art |
| 15:35.09 | Kraps | but thats the thing, graphics are extremely advanced these days, and the content is really the thing that changes the game, not the graphics |
| 15:35.30 | Kraps | i'm talking about big name studios |
| 15:35.32 | amro | graphics are part of the content |
| 15:36.12 | amro | personally, I think game developers are putting too much emphasis on graphics, but they may not have a choice |
| 15:36.29 | amro | I'm pretty sure they've done their homework and know that they need those graphics for the sales |
| 15:36.57 | amro | although I like the approach Runic Games took with Torchlight |
| 15:37.30 | amro | it probably saved them millions, and development time, and the end product is more accessible |
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| 15:48.10 | Kraps | haha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdk88G7_zcI |
| 15:57.17 | amro | speaking of game art... anyone here good at that? |
| 15:59.12 | alestane | Only concept art. |
| 16:00.10 | ZorbaTHut | I've managed to wrangle up a few artists that I might be making games with. that would be neat. |
| 16:01.44 | amro | ZorbaTHut: any of them 3D artists? |
| 16:02.36 | ZorbaTHut | don't think so, I prefer to focus on 2d games myself |
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| 16:16.27 | cog|away | station |
| 16:16.29 | Lunessa | STATTION |
| 16:17.14 | Lopeppeppy | gives Lunessa a dixsunairy for his birthday! |
| 16:17.18 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, dear. |
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| 16:31.04 | Kraps | wow this gave me goosebumps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSVCuqhQ7Gs&feature=response_watch |
| 16:31.32 | industrial | this gave me wonderful goosebumps :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FezVRXw-6Ck&fmt=18 |
| 16:33.48 | Shirik | is giving out a test right now |
| 16:33.52 | Shirik | it is so peaceful and quiet |
| 16:34.10 | Lopeppeppy | They're awesome when they're quiet! |
| 16:34.20 | Shirik | they are indeed |
| 16:34.26 | Kraps | industrial: yeah poor guy is mutilated :( |
| 16:34.27 | Shirik | they're always whining about how things are too hard |
| 16:34.31 | Shirik | they can't do that now muahaha :3 |
| 16:34.55 | Lopeppeppy | Well, they can, but they'd fail the test, so... |
| 16:35.05 | amro | ZorbaTHut: ping |
| 16:35.10 | ZorbaTHut | pong |
| 16:35.24 | amro | ZorbaTHut: is there a way to make mobius run slower? going a little too fasy |
| 16:35.30 | amro | s/fasy/fast/ |
| 16:35.49 | ZorbaTHut | nope. what makes you think it's running fast? it's supposed to be reasonably rapid, and all the weapons have rather high firerates |
| 16:36.03 | ZorbaTHut | (mostly because you're not meant to be micromanaging individual shots ;) ) |
| 16:36.03 | amro | I dunno, I just move into place and things die |
| 16:36.09 | ZorbaTHut | yeah just keep playing |
| 16:36.12 | industrial | Kraps: did you like the music/theme thingy though? |
| 16:36.31 | industrial | many people stop when the vocals beginw ith either industrial or metal :( |
| 16:36.35 | ZorbaTHut | trust me! (or don't, mobius was kind of a failure honestly, but I'll be interested in hearing what you think about it) |
| 16:37.02 | amro | ZorbaTHut: oh, I see, much better |
| 16:37.04 | Kraps | industrial: didnt like either |
| 16:37.07 | industrial | oki |
| 16:40.50 | Seerah|away | indie: neither did I but... |
| 16:40.53 | Seerah|away | huggles industrial |
| 16:41.13 | amro | ZorbaTHut: ok, now I'm confused |
| 16:42.21 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's sort of the problem with it. you have to actually read the text, and most people don't. |
| 16:42.58 | industrial | huggles Seerah|away |
| 16:43.27 | amro | ZorbaTHut: oh I see, I manage who dies so they can all level up? |
| 16:43.33 | cog|work | industrial: i liked it |
| 16:43.34 | cog|work | <3 |
| 16:43.50 | ZorbaTHut | amro, yup |
| 16:44.34 | industrial | cog|work: x) <3 |
| 16:46.20 | Antiarc | Welp. |
| 16:46.21 | Antiarc | http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/573.jpg |
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| 16:48.12 | Lopeppeppy | Wow. *in the voice of Wall-E* |
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| 16:48.25 | amro | ZorbaTHut: GT is dead. that was interesting |
| 16:49.14 | ZorbaTHut | amro, read the postmortem for my commentary on it ;) |
| 16:49.22 | amro | ayeah, on it |
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| 16:51.53 | amro | ZorbaTHut: I like the comparison you made with a puzzle game |
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| 16:52.02 | amro | single player RTS is usually a puzzle game, that's why it sucks |
| 16:52.25 | amro | but in multiplayer things get more interesting, or vs a very good AI (there aren't any) |
| 16:53.11 | ZorbaTHut | amro, yeah, that's pretty much the conclusion I came to |
| 16:57.28 | Kraps | Kelly Clarkson is freaking awesome live |
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| 16:59.54 | Mikk | Antiarc: ew. now i'm not hungry anymore. |
| 17:02.58 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy you wouldn't fraudulently order people thousands of liters of milk |
| 17:06.37 | Shirik | (11:47:35) (+Lopeppeppy) Wow. *in the voice of Wall-E* |
| 17:06.40 | Shirik | cute :3 |
| 17:07.06 | Shirik | Antiarc: wtf |
| 17:07.53 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:09.07 | Adys | Antiarc: http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/?p=6518 |
| 17:09.11 | Adys | PINKY AND THE BRAIN |
| 17:09.14 | Kraps | What does a Blood Elf Mage love more than anything else? Casting Mirror Image |
| 17:10.33 | Shirik | I don't get it |
| 17:10.58 | theorbtwo | does. |
| 17:11.01 | theorbtwo | grins. |
| 17:11.41 | alestane | "When I gaze deep into your eyes...I can see myself." |
| 17:14.29 | Lopeppeppy | shirik, they are vain. Looking into mirrors all the time. :) |
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| 17:21.15 | haste | alestane: but it's true! |
| 17:24.59 | Thunder_Child | anyone know how the shadowmourne effect works exactly? |
| 17:26.55 | Fisker | what is there to know? |
| 17:28.16 | Thunder_Child | when you get a soul fragment, is the 40 str represented as a buff and gets refreshed with each successive fragment, or does it stack, or is it more of an aura? |
| 17:29.01 | Thunder_Child | eg. if you have 5, you gain 200 str unstill they are used |
| 17:29.06 | Thunder_Child | untill* |
| 17:29.32 | Aelo | im wondering that too, because +400str on top of the weapon's stats/sockets would be insane |
| 17:30.36 | Thunder_Child | well it gets wosre than that. if it is constant, then all you would have to do is create an addon that destroys fragments at 8 and you get a constant 320 str, which is > 2K dmg |
| 17:31.29 | Thunder_Child | actually Aelo, you wouldnt ever get 400 str since they would do the aoe dmg at 10 |
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| 17:31.41 | Aelo | true ^^ |
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| 17:32.16 | Thunder_Child | somehow though i think it's you get a short buff of 40 str every time you pick up a fragment |
| 17:32.24 | Thunder_Child | but thats just a guess |
| 17:34.49 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:40.52 | Aelo | lol |
| 17:47.31 | Aelo | reckon argent tourny pets will go up in price in cata? |
| 17:47.48 | Thunder_Child | why up? |
| 17:48.08 | Aelo | less people doing the dailies |
| 17:48.25 | Aelo | but pet collectors may still need 'em |
| 17:50.35 | Kraps | Q: How many forum trolls does it take to change a light bulb? |
| 17:50.36 | Kraps | A: THAT'S NOT THE POINT THERE'S NO &*&(*)&ING REASON THE BULB WENT OUT IN THE FIRST PLACE! WHAT ARE WE PAYING FIFTEEN DOLLARS A MONTH FOR IF LIGHTBULBS JUST BURN OUT AFTER YOU ALREADY PAID FOR THEM! BLIZZ NEEDS TO LISTEN UP TO THEIR CUSTOMERS AND CORRECT SOME OF THE GLARING PROBLEMS WITH THE GAME OR I WILL CANCEL ALL FIVE OF MY ACCOUNTS AND SO WILL ALL MY FRIENDS! |
| 17:50.49 | ZorbaTHut | aelo, I imagine they'll go up. I don't know if they'll go up proportional to gold inflation |
| 17:50.57 | Kraps | this one is from a dino :) |
| 17:51.00 | Lopeppeppy | You forgot the part about Tuesday maintenance, Kraps. |
| 17:51.12 | Kraps | lol |
| 17:51.58 | Lopeppeppy | has a tired. |
| 17:54.05 | Shirik | lmao Kraps |
| 17:55.12 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:55.15 | Aelo | wut, you can't COD for more than 10k?!? |
| 17:55.36 | Fisker | Shirik you wouldn't fraudulently order people thousands of liters of milk, would you? |
| 17:56.03 | Shirik | only in your name, Fisker |
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| 18:01.07 | Shirik | wakes up Lopeppeppy |
| 18:01.51 | Lunessa | finally has a working Blackberry. |
| 18:02.18 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, fruits are good for you! |
| 18:03.26 | Lunessa | Turns out the problem was on AT&Ts end all along. They'd misconfigured the data plan to the wrong SIM. |
| 18:03.45 | Lopeppeppy | Jerks. Pffffftttttbbbbbttt! |
| 18:03.47 | Shirik | Lunessa |
| 18:03.58 | Shirik | the problem has nothing to do with that |
| 18:04.03 | Shirik | the problem is that you went to AT&T in the first place |
| 18:05.32 | Shirik | tackles Seerah |
| 18:05.38 | Seerah | tickles Shirik |
| 18:07.06 | Shirik | I should start doing the tickling |
| 18:07.09 | Shirik | god knows you can't tackle me |
| 18:07.11 | Lunessa | Shirik: I don't get to chose who the University cuts a deal with. |
| 18:08.25 | Shirik | A potential security vulnerability has been identified with certain HP Color LaserJet printers. The vulnerability could be exploited remotely to gain unauthorized access to data or to create a Denial of Service (DoS). |
| 18:08.30 | Shirik | vulnerability on a printer o.o |
| 18:09.25 | Seerah | the software, I'm sure |
| 18:09.29 | VonhintenHOME` | built-in NIC's |
| 18:10.06 | Lopeppeppy | software set to dial home for updates, I'd bet. |
| 18:10.32 | durcyn | the new models have http management by default, Shirik |
| 18:11.05 | Shirik | Our technology is getting too powerful for our own good |
| 18:11.14 | Shirik | soon we'll have viruses taking over printers and using them as botnets |
| 18:11.22 | Shirik | next is cellphone and watch botnets |
| 18:11.42 | amro | receiving spam on a printer would be hilarious |
| 18:11.54 | durcyn | there's already a worm targetting hacked iphones whose users were too stupid to change the default password after they enabled sshd |
| 18:11.55 | kdtresh | it randomly prints out ads for toner |
| 18:12.06 | VonhintenHOME` | lol |
| 18:12.19 | durcyn | and the default HP firmware already tries to sell you supplies, so i'm not sure that'd be worse, kdtresh =P |
| 18:12.24 | VonhintenHOME` | porn website banners |
| 18:12.34 | VonhintenHOME` | at the header of your work documents |
| 18:12.49 | kdtresh | inserts crap into your documents |
| 18:12.59 | kdtresh | mid-sentence |
| 18:13.46 | Shirik | you turn in a 10 page paper to your professor |
| 18:13.58 | Shirik | he writes "see me" on the top and underlines the profanity that got secretly injected |
| 18:14.25 | Lopeppeppy | Sounds like a post on FML. |
| 18:14.50 | kdtresh | everyone wonders why everything you print is always talking about online casinos |
| 18:15.08 | kdtresh | they sign you up for gambler addiction |
| 18:18.32 | Duman | /script X and /run X are equivalent in the wow ui, right? |
| 18:18.58 | alestane | Except that one is three letters shorter, yes. |
| 18:19.06 | Duman | :) |
| 18:19.07 | alestane | They trigger the same code path. |
| 18:19.41 | Duman | that's what I thought - I was just lacking caffeine so far today, and started doubting myself when someone asked :) |
| 18:19.42 | Duman | thx |
| 18:24.09 | Shirik | Duman: Caffeine is evil |
| 18:24.21 | Shirik | You should lack caffeine every day |
| 18:27.38 | cog|work | Shirik: i tested that hypothesis and found it wanting |
| 18:28.04 | Thunder_Child | mikma, where do you want bug reports? |
| 18:28.45 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:31.08 | Seerah | hehe: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JgrBtn8XdU |
| 18:31.58 | cog|work | Shirik: went off caffeine for about 4 months at one point. Lost an average of 2 hours of my life each day due to a horrible side effect: sleep |
| 18:32.08 | Thunder_Child | same goes for you jnwhiteh |
| 18:32.10 | Shirik | weakling |
| 18:32.15 | jnwhiteh | kk |
| 18:32.18 | jnwhiteh | for what? |
| 18:32.23 | Thunder_Child | oh snap |
| 18:32.27 | jnwhiteh | cause i dont want them in the first pleace |
| 18:32.53 | Lopeppeppy | Cog, I'm already losing too much of my life to sleep, so I added the caffeine back in! |
| 18:33.26 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:33.30 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: zactly |
| 18:33.33 | Thunder_Child | shakes his fist @ jnwhiteh |
| 18:33.39 | Shirik | I am not losing my life |
| 18:34.08 | cog|work | ~lart evolution |
| 18:34.08 | purl | lowers evolution's priority |
| 18:34.11 | Lopeppeppy | Yay for Shirik! |
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| 18:36.15 | cog|work | seriously, though, if they ever start trials for sleep elimination drugs (e.g. fooling the body into doing whatever it does during sleep while awake) I'd sign up in an instant |
| 18:37.41 | KarlKFI|work | problem with that is that doing sleepy things while awake would make you less alert while awake |
| 18:38.25 | KarlKFI|work | and i doubt you'll ever get an on/off switch for when your brain can rest a bit |
| 18:38.26 | Shirik | pokes Lopeppeppy |
| 18:38.39 | Shirik | cog|work: My friend has a concept for that :) |
| 18:38.43 | Shirik | I think he's also a nutcase |
| 18:38.47 | Shirik | but he does |
| 18:39.16 | cog|work | KarlKFI|work: being drowsy is the means to the end. i mean a drug that would accomplish the end without the same means |
| 18:39.34 | cog|work | drowsiness is simply a SLEEP NAO YOU DOUCHE! signal |
| 18:39.50 | kdtresh | being able to snap your fingers and drop into full REM sleep would be nice |
| 18:40.06 | Seerah | clap off! |
| 18:40.15 | KarlKFI|work | think of sleep as garbage collection. if you could set it to go off once an hour instead of all at once would you even want to? |
| 18:40.39 | Shirik | kdtresh: There is a theoretical sleep cycle that lets you do that |
| 18:40.43 | Shirik | I forget what it's called |
| 18:40.47 | cog|work | KarlKFI|work: look what incremental garbage collection has done for addon performance, imo :P |
| 18:40.48 | mikma | thunder_child: here is fine |
| 18:41.08 | kdtresh | cleaning your dishes when you're done with them is better than letting them all pile up and having to clean a week's worth, imho |
| 18:41.30 | cog|work | KarlKFI|work: and actually, there have been studies suggesting that many short sleep periods in a day make you need less total sleep |
| 18:41.39 | cog|work | than doing it all at once |
| 18:41.47 | Ginji | powernaps! |
| 18:41.57 | Duman | how long is "short" ? |
| 18:42.06 | Ginji | Though I prefer powerschnaps |
| 18:42.08 | KarlKFI|work | sure, but you also go crazy in long term tests |
| 18:42.13 | Seerah | kdtresh: I prefer to do a week's worth at a time (and we actually do it that way usually :P ) |
| 18:42.19 | Ginji | KarlKFI|work: already there |
| 18:43.42 | kdtresh | Seerah: that's usually what i do too, but that doesn't mean i think it's more efficient, lol |
| 18:43.51 | KarlKFI|work | main road block is that we don't know exactly what sleep does yet. we need more chemical analysis before you can develop a save solution for changing how it works. |
| 18:43.59 | KarlKFI|work | safe* |
| 18:44.07 | Ginji | Trial & Error! |
| 18:44.07 | Seerah | kdtresh: ahhh, but you didn't mention efficiency ;) |
| 18:44.12 | cog|work | i'm not saying it would be easy or is anywhere close to being ready, just that i'd jump at the chance if it were |
| 18:44.29 | KarlKFI|work | trial and error doesn't usually go over very well with the FDA |
| 18:44.32 | kdtresh | Seerah: well, i think the term "better" does still apply |
| 18:44.41 | Seerah | hehe |
| 18:45.10 | kdtresh | "more efficient" can fall under the "better" umbrella ;) |
| 18:45.16 | Ginji | http://idle.slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&type=story&sid=09/11/19/170203 |
| 18:45.26 | Ginji | Trial & Error! |
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| 18:46.25 | NightHawkTheSane | if you have invites to give out in wave, where do they show up? >.> |
| 18:46.44 | cog|work | you get a wave from yourself |
| 18:47.06 | NightHawkTheSane | ah |
| 18:47.21 | Ginji | waves at Ginji |
| 18:47.24 | Ginji | Dun Dunnn! |
| 18:48.15 | Lunessa | You can't have your own soundtrack in here. |
| 18:48.20 | cog|work | and actually, isn't trial and error ALL that the FDA accepts? First you try it on animals, then you try it on a small sample of people, then you try it on a large sample of people, then the FDA approves it so you can try it on everyone else |
| 18:48.55 | kdtresh | my wife always grumps at me when i log onto wave |
| 18:48.58 | Ginji | The animals and everybody else are getting the small end of the stick though |
| 18:49.14 | Ginji | The small and large groups of people are getting payed, the rest pay |
| 18:49.51 | Ginji | Another reason why we should do more with cloning |
| 18:50.06 | KarlKFI|work | lol test on our clones? |
| 18:50.12 | cog|work | and there's something wrong with that? on the one hand they're paying people for taking a huge risk. on the other hand, people are paying for all the research that went to make the product available |
| 18:50.16 | KarlKFI|work | that'd go over well with human rights groups |
| 18:50.33 | Ginji | Those guys can kiss my ass, it's not human, I created it |
| 18:50.46 | cog|work | XD |
| 18:50.53 | Ginji | Just because I slap some meat on a skeleton doesn't mean it's human |
| 18:51.00 | KarlKFI|work | you need to watch more startrek |
| 18:51.05 | cog|work | slapping meat on a skeleton isn't cloning... |
| 18:51.12 | cog|work | cloning is nothing more than a time-delayed twin |
| 18:51.13 | Ginji | xD |
| 18:51.36 | Ginji | It sounds so wrong when you say it |
| 18:52.24 | Ginji | But about star trek, the teleportation device, why didn't they ever try to make copies of the data stream? |
| 18:52.31 | Ginji | Instant Clone! |
| 18:52.34 | KarlKFI|work | they did. watch more |
| 18:52.42 | Ginji | Really? |
| 18:53.03 | Ginji | So you could have an instant army? |
| 18:53.06 | Thunder_Child | yes, though it wasnt done on purpose |
| 18:53.31 | KarlKFI|work | http://www.physorg.com/news10924.html |
| 18:53.44 | Ginji | Bah silly Klipper |
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| 18:53.53 | Ginji | It won't popup automagically |
| 18:54.12 | KarlKFI|work | multipartite entanglement ftw |
| 18:54.44 | Ginji | It's al magic to me |
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| 19:50.12 | Shirik | gah |
| 19:50.24 | Shirik | students not knowing the difference between parallel and series scares me |
| 19:50.29 | Lopeppeppy | Wow. |
| 19:50.31 | Lopeppeppy | Even I know that. |
| 19:50.37 | Lopeppeppy | And I'm not all electrical minded. |
| 19:50.46 | tekkub | dude I knew that in like 2nd grade |
| 19:50.47 | Dagmar | Series is when you replace old ones with new ones, right? ;) |
| 19:50.48 | Lopeppeppy | You just, um, draw lines. Parallel lines. Serial lines. |
| 19:51.12 | durcyn | i seem to recall doing series and parallel circuits for an elemenetary school science project |
| 19:51.57 | Arrowmaster | what |
| 19:51.58 | Arrowmaster | the |
| 19:51.59 | Arrowmaster | fuck |
| 19:52.02 | Arrowmaster | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.156436 |
| 19:52.43 | Dagmar | "Today, students, we will be learning about the difference between series circuits and parallel circuits. One of you will be making a choice of which of these wires to lick. Between they and the wall socket are one hundred current-limiting resistors, in series and parallel." |
| 19:52.55 | Dagmar | "Choose wisely" |
| 19:53.07 | Dagmar | "...and may God watch over you." |
| 19:53.44 | tekkub | I"ll take a mix of both |
| 19:53.55 | Amarande | hmm, when I mouse over my items on wowhead, it says "Enchantment Requires Level 35" for the +12 agility on my parachute cloak |
| 19:53.59 | Dagmar | ...which is pretty much the way my first EE instructor approached those sorts of problems. |
| 19:54.01 | Amarande | I don't remember it doing that in-game though. |
| 19:54.18 | Amarande | Is 3.3 nerfing the ancient tradition of using quest/engineering items to get around enchant minimum levels? |
| 19:54.36 | Amarande | since it certainly isn't the case in 3.2.2 |
| 19:54.48 | Arrowmaster | you cant use quest items to get around it |
| 19:54.57 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: within a five level window, you can |
| 19:55.10 | Arrowmaster | because the enchant requires an item level of that much |
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| 19:55.15 | Amarande | because quest items don't have the character required level, so it goes by ilvl |
| 19:55.19 | Arrowmaster | you can lookup the itemlevel easily |
| 19:55.22 | Amarande | I'm told, though I've not actually tried |
| 19:55.30 | Amarande | that for items with a character level requirement, it uses THAT instead of the ilvl |
| 19:55.36 | Arrowmaster | engineering items have item levels too |
| 19:55.38 | Amarande | and thus the ilvl actually needs to be at least five above the enchant's requirement |
| 19:55.56 | Shirik | ok it gets worse Lopeppeppy |
| 19:56.00 | Amarande | the tradition is used to twink lower level characters by taking advantage of items you can get early with 35+ ilvl but no character level requirement |
| 19:56.17 | Shirik | one of my students just tried to figure out why a circuit wasn't working |
| 19:56.26 | Shirik | and I looked at it and half the wires were laying on the floor |
| 19:56.32 | Shirik | and I was like "what is all this?" |
| 19:56.33 | Arrowmaster | all of those quests have a min level to complete though |
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| 19:56.41 | Shirik | and he says "They're connected to ground" |
| 19:56.43 | Lopeppeppy | Wires on the floor conduct no electricity, unless you meant it that way. |
| 19:56.46 | Arrowmaster | so you wont be getting a 35+ enchant on a lvl 19 twink |
| 19:56.50 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: probably the biggest difference is Engineering items |
| 19:57.02 | nicoli_s | no way shirik, you just made that up |
| 19:57.07 | Amarande | which can be gotten like ... twenty levels before you'd normally be able to equip something that ilvl |
| 19:57.07 | Lopeppeppy | + 5 points for courage, -25 points for stupidity, Shirik. :) |
| 19:57.07 | Shirik | I'm not kidding |
| 19:57.18 | Shirik | I don't know how you can do that |
| 19:57.18 | nicoli_s | wow |
| 19:57.24 | Amarande | parachute cloak for instance. ilvl 45, you can get it at 20, normally you'd have to wait till 40 to equip ilvl 45 |
| 19:57.27 | Dagmar | Shirik: Time to toughen up the herd a bit by eliminating the weak |
| 19:57.58 | Shirik | to be fair |
| 19:58.56 | Dagmar | You will need 200 diodes, and some parental waivers. |
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| 19:59.31 | Dagmar | 100 to each circuit. |
| 19:59.53 | Shirik | to be fair, the circuit is fairly complex |
| 19:59.56 | Dagmar | Students shall enter the room, pick one wire, lick it and leave or be carried out. |
| 20:00.01 | Adys | http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2009/11/google-chrome-os-press-event.html |
| 20:00.48 | Shirik | I think he was confused because neither the positive nor the negative is connected to ground |
| 20:00.48 | Dagmar | Just the _threat_ of that will do wonders for their ability to focus on the task at hand. |
| 20:00.56 | Shirik | However, one of my students just impressed me now |
| 20:01.04 | Dagmar | Better you have few casualties now than when someone's out in the field and does something stupid where real electricity is in volved. |
| 20:01.14 | Shirik | One of the questions asks to amplify an AC signal. I expected everyone to use op amps (and that's how the question was intended) |
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| 20:01.26 | Shirik | one of them showed me a circuit with a transformer instead |
| 20:01.31 | Shirik | points to him |
| 20:01.52 | Arrowmaster | i would have used a transformer, but i dont know what an op amps is |
| 20:02.00 | Shirik | operational amplifier |
| 20:02.05 | Shirik | it's |
| 20:02.08 | Shirik | well |
| 20:02.10 | guestpants | lua>myTable = {}; currentZone = "netherstorm"; myTable[currentZone] = {}; myTable.currentZone["kobold"]=3; print(myTable.currentZone["kobold"]); |
| 20:02.11 | lua_bot | guestpants: luabot:1: attempt to index field 'currentZone' (a nil value) |
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| 20:02.14 | Shirik | it just "is" :) |
| 20:02.20 | Shirik | it is like the god component of electronics |
| 20:02.23 | guestpants | humph |
| 20:02.24 | Shirik | it can do so much stuff |
| 20:02.42 | Shirik | it can compute integrals, it can differentiate, it can amplify, it can turn a sine wave into a square wave, it can add, it can subtract |
| 20:02.47 | Arrowmaster | lua>myTable = {}; currentZone = "netherstorm"; myTable[currentZone] = {}; myTable[currentZone]["kobold"]=3; print(myTable[currentZone]["kobold"]); |
| 20:02.48 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 3 |
| 20:02.49 | Lopeppeppy | But if they found a second legitimate answer, good for them. |
| 20:02.53 | Shirik | yup :) |
| 20:03.05 | Shirik | it can compare two voltages |
| 20:03.06 | NightHawkTheSane | turns Shirik into a square wave. |
| 20:03.11 | Shirik | turns NightHawkTheSane insane |
| 20:03.18 | Fisker | RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 20:03.20 | guestpants | lua>myTable = {}; currentZone = "netherstorm"; myTable[currentZone] = {}; myTable[currentZone]["kobold"]=3; print(myTable[currentZone]["kobold"]); |
| 20:03.20 | lua_bot | guestpants: 3 |
| 20:03.20 | NightHawkTheSane | :( |
| 20:03.24 | guestpants | wewt! |
| 20:03.25 | Dagmar | Shirik: That's in how it's used, it's not _that_ magical of a device |
| 20:03.30 | Shirik | oh sure |
| 20:03.35 | Dagmar | ...and frankly, not every op amp can be used for _all_ those things. |
| 20:03.41 | Shirik | every op amp can do all of that |
| 20:03.45 | Dagmar | Some of them frankly suck for analog or digital applications |
| 20:03.50 | Fisker | you know what i prefer? |
| 20:03.55 | Fisker | doing Northrend beasts |
| 20:03.56 | Shirik | maybe not cleanly, but every op amp can do all of that |
| 20:03.57 | Fisker | getting toxin |
| 20:04.08 | Fisker | going to the dreadscale tank but wait for the molten spew to finish |
| 20:04.12 | Fisker | see the tank run into you |
| 20:04.14 | Fisker | ... |
| 20:04.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker: you know what i prefer? |
| 20:04.35 | NightHawkTheSane | donuts. |
| 20:04.39 | NightHawkTheSane | i vastly prefer donuts. |
| 20:04.43 | Fisker | i like those as well |
| 20:06.32 | NightHawkTheSane | see? don't you feel better, just think about tasty donuts. |
| 20:06.39 | Lopeppeppy | Eeew. Donii. |
| 20:07.50 | guestpants | i have a french final tomorrow afternoon :( |
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| 20:08.05 | NightHawkTheSane | bring your teacher donuts. |
| 20:08.16 | guestpants | i could, its friday morning |
| 20:08.22 | NightHawkTheSane | see, there you go! |
| 20:08.23 | guestpants | and friday morning is donut morning at my college |
| 20:08.27 | Shirik | .... |
| 20:08.38 | Lopeppeppy | I don't have a donut day at my school. |
| 20:08.44 | guestpants | I do. |
| 20:08.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: start one! |
| 20:08.47 | guestpants | it rules. |
| 20:08.51 | Lopeppeppy | Except when the Super Boss drops by the random box of Munchkins, but that's unpredictable. |
| 20:08.57 | Lopeppeppy | NHTS, I do not imbibe the donii. |
| 20:08.57 | guestpants | cept they don't get tons of donuts, so you have to come early to get the good ones |
| 20:09.01 | guestpants | like the apple fritters |
| 20:09.02 | Lopeppeppy | They have no redeeming value as foodstuff. |
| 20:09.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: :( my sympathies. |
| 20:09.17 | Lopeppeppy | You eat them. I like... chicken! And fish. |
| 20:09.26 | NightHawkTheSane | i like chicken too |
| 20:09.29 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. |
| 20:09.32 | NightHawkTheSane | not a huge fish person.. |
| 20:09.36 | NightHawkTheSane | shrugs |
| 20:09.40 | Lopeppeppy | If you get the donii, I get the protein. |
| 20:09.49 | Shirik | donii? |
| 20:09.51 | NightHawkTheSane | :( |
| 20:09.53 | Amarande | Peppy, but they taste pleasurable and awesome. :) |
| 20:10.03 | Lopeppeppy | Is that not the proper plural of donut, Shirik? *innocent* |
| 20:10.04 | Amarande | isn't that redeeming value enough? |
| 20:10.07 | guestpants | some good donuts DO taste like sex |
| 20:10.10 | Lopeppeppy | Donut, donii ! |
| 20:10.29 | durcyn | yes, guestpants, they're generally referred to as 'glazed'. |
| 20:10.31 | Amarande | donuts that taste like sex ... guestpants, now I'm thinking of the Cakes of Light of Thelemic tradition LOL |
| 20:10.35 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.2.x ToC: 30200 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | they taste pleasurable and awesome. :) |
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| 20:10.39 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.2.x ToC: 30200 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | they taste pleasurable and awesome. :) - Amarande |
| 20:10.41 | NightHawkTheSane | you know |
| 20:10.46 | NightHawkTheSane | i could see a donut being orgasmic. |
| 20:10.53 | NightHawkTheSane | but i really dont want a donut that actually tasted like sex |
| 20:10.55 | Lopeppeppy | ... you people need to get out more. |
| 20:10.57 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously. |
| 20:10.58 | Amarande | which are apparently made with 'blood of the moon'. I don't think you need to be a rocket surgeon to figure out what that means. |
| 20:10.59 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 20:11.21 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, sex is great and all, and i'm a fan. but i do not want my breakfast food to taste like it. |
| 20:11.33 | NightHawkTheSane | kind of like i don't want my women to taste like donuts. |
| 20:11.36 | Shirik | headdesks |
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| 20:11.40 | NightHawkTheSane | that would be awkward. |
| 20:11.45 | Lopeppeppy | Very. |
| 20:11.57 | Lopeppeppy | lurvs Shirik. |
| 20:12.13 | NightHawkTheSane | shares his donuts with Shirik |
| 20:12.19 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle snark* |
| 20:12.20 | Amarande | Night: yeah, I don't think many men want their women to taste like donuts |
| 20:12.24 | Amarande | unless they're Homer Simpson, I suppose |
| 20:12.33 | Amarande | Homer Simpson would probably consider it the eighth heaven |
| 20:13.17 | nicoli_s | wait, theres an option to make your women taste like donuts |
| 20:13.30 | Lopeppeppy | nicoli_s, use powdered sugar more. |
| 20:13.39 | NightHawkTheSane | kinky. and.. messy. |
| 20:13.43 | Lunessa | Why not? They make "Cotton Candy" as a scent for women. |
| 20:13.54 | Amarande | Night: you don't like kinky? :P |
| 20:14.02 | Amarande | how sad. |
| 20:14.04 | NightHawkTheSane | for certain values of kinky, yes. |
| 20:14.06 | Lopeppeppy | NHTS, buy dark sheets. |
| 20:14.26 | NightHawkTheSane | dark silk sheets with powdered sugar? |
| 20:14.30 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
| 20:14.46 | Amarande | say, I wonder which members of #wowuidev I am likely to end up in a random PUG with once 3.3 hits. :) |
| 20:14.55 | guestpants | i'm going to stay out of this conversation... |
| 20:15.08 | NightHawkTheSane | i wonder which BG i'm even in.. |
| 20:15.22 | Fisker | gormok the impaler |
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| 20:15.42 | guestpants | is the LFG across ALL servers, or just your battlegroup? |
| 20:15.43 | Amarande | guestpants: wimp. |
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| 20:15.49 | Amarande | just your battlegroup |
| 20:15.56 | guestpants | ah |
| 20:15.59 | guestpants | why the hell am I a wimp? |
| 20:16.06 | Amarande | <guestpants> i'm going to stay out of this conversation... |
| 20:16.15 | Amarande | wimp. |
| 20:16.16 | guestpants | the women tasting like donuts conversation |
| 20:16.23 | Lopeppeppy | That's discretion and valor, Amarande. |
| 20:16.27 | guestpants | because i don't care to share how the women i've been with taste like... |
| 20:16.48 | Amarande | guestpants: okay, that sounds like it's probably going to be QQ |
| 20:16.52 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. apparently I'm in Vindication |
| 20:16.54 | Amarande | so ... okay, yeah, Peppy's right. :) |
| 20:17.22 | Lunessa | Haha... The other night poor cog|work got "OMG I'm in a group with THE COGWHEEL" |
| 20:17.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: awesome. |
| 20:18.11 | Amarande | you know what's a little schizophrenic on Blizzard's part though ... |
| 20:18.27 | Amarande | on 3.3.0 they're making this totally awesome system that is designed to help people PUG |
| 20:18.43 | Amarande | and then, later on, they'll be coming out with the guild ranking system, which from what I gather pretty much totally *discourages* people to PUG |
| 20:18.54 | Amarande | do you want us to PUG or not, Blizzard? LOL |
| 20:19.01 | NightHawkTheSane | er, how so? |
| 20:19.10 | Aelo | tbh i think theyre just bringing it out as an option |
| 20:19.11 | kd3 | pug before cataclysm, then do the dungeon finder with full groups after that |
| 20:19.17 | Lunessa | Amarande: No, they're going to encourage BOTH behaviors. |
| 20:19.28 | NightHawkTheSane | There's lots of room to pug groups outside of doing things iwth your guild. |
| 20:19.29 | Amarande | Night: the guild ranking system encourages you to have almost your entire group be guild based, because otherwise you do not get any guild credit |
| 20:19.36 | ZorbaTHut | I think the real goal is just to encourage people to play WoW |
| 20:19.42 | Dagmar | Amarande: If elitist raiders don't want to PUG, they dont' have to PUG |
| 20:19.46 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: way to hit the nose on the head. |
| 20:19.47 | ZorbaTHut | "everything you do is now more awesome" |
| 20:19.47 | Lunessa | Here kiddies. Have candy for being social in TWO ways! |
| 20:19.50 | NightHawkTheSane | er... wow |
| 20:19.53 | NightHawkTheSane | that was a mixed metaphor |
| 20:19.55 | NightHawkTheSane | i need more coffee |
| 20:19.57 | Aelo | Amarande: what group based things count towards the guild ranking? |
| 20:20.02 | Dagmar | Frankly, the fewer people I have to punt from my PUGs for being elitist pricks, the better. |
| 20:20.03 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: Right. |
| 20:20.03 | Aelo | i'd have thought most things would be raids |
| 20:20.24 | Amarande | Aelo: I'm a bit foggy on it, but apparently there's both group and raid based stuff that goes towards guild ranking and you need the group to be like ... 75%, 80% guild to get any credit |
| 20:20.30 | ZorbaTHut | personally I'm really looking forward to getting into heroic groups with my undergeared scrub healer that I know nothing about :D |
| 20:20.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: point being, a lot of people play wow for a lot of different reasons, and they're trying to encourage and support all forms of play |
| 20:20.56 | ZorbaTHut | they'll be all "heh, your gear isn't that good" and I'll be "lol first time healing keke" |
| 20:21.06 | NightHawkTheSane | neither the new lfd tool nor the guild stuff being added will take away from wht already exists |
| 20:21.08 | Amarande | Zorba: I'll judge that based on a simple metric. |
| 20:21.21 | Amarande | If non-stupid people don't die, you're fine. |
| 20:21.26 | Amarande | If they die, you sucked. :) |
| 20:21.27 | Lopeppeppy | They'll just add awesome new forms of social elitism to the game, woooot. Not. |
| 20:21.27 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, I suspect I'll be fine |
| 20:21.40 | ZorbaTHut | but I really have healed two instances ever, and the high-level one was Blood Furnace |
| 20:21.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: new and exciting forms of social elitism will show up regardless. people are douches. |
| 20:21.52 | Dagmar | Yay for more kicking! |
| 20:21.58 | NightHawkTheSane | that reminds me |
| 20:22.03 | NightHawkTheSane | i need to try healing shit on my druid. |
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| 20:22.17 | Amarande | Dagmar: you realize if you kick someone you have to sit and wait until the game deigns to give you a replacement |
| 20:22.20 | ZorbaTHut | I grabbed the titansteel weapon and the inscription offhand, one or two cheap enchants, the darkmoon card from my The Insane main, and am going to be just crossing fingers that it's good enough |
| 20:22.21 | Amarande | it doesn't happen instantly :) |
| 20:22.27 | Aelo | btw, did they say how they rank someone as an "experienced" player in the LFD matching? |
| 20:22.32 | Dagmar | Amarande: You had to wait for hte first idiot, too. What a shame. |
| 20:22.51 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: honestly, if you just start with some non-heroics first and ease into it, it probably wont be so bad |
| 20:22.54 | Amarande | Aelo: I would suspect it's something logical and obvious like "how many times they have played this dungeon"? |
| 20:23.04 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, yeah, I may do that. Or I may just go straight into heroics :D |
| 20:23.11 | ZorbaTHut | pit of saron baby |
| 20:23.13 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: good luck with that ;) |
| 20:23.15 | ZorbaTHut | (I am not serious about that) |
| 20:23.26 | Aelo | just wondered if theyd gone down the same root as players by basing it on achievements earned :P |
| 20:23.52 | Dagmar | Amarande: I have no problem punting people from either end of the spectrum now with the _current_ LFG system |
| 20:23.59 | ZorbaTHut | I'm really not all that worried about it, if I get a tank who's reasonably geared it oughta be fine. I'm smart and learn fast. |
| 20:24.09 | Dagmar | It's not going to stop me just because getting a replacement is more automated than it was before. |
| 20:24.22 | Amarande | Aelo: given that you can earn the heroic achievement for every dungeon except VH and TOC with one successful run I'm not sure that's a good yardstick |
| 20:24.49 | Dagmar | Show up to my PUGs woefully undergeared or acting like people who are adequately geared belong in the "woefully undergeared" category and you are *punted* either way |
| 20:24.58 | Aelo | aye but if the only reason theyre placing an "experienced" player in every group would be to know tactics, so they only have to have done it once |
| 20:25.13 | Aelo | *then they |
| 20:25.15 | Amarande | Dagmar: what's your definition of woefully undergeared? :) |
| 20:25.26 | Amarande | (also: are you on stormstrike battlegroup, horde?) |
| 20:25.50 | Dagmar | Amarande: Well, let's see... There was a guy complainign on the forums last week about "the virus" because people wouldn't let him tank HToC-5. He was wearing *all* mid 70's gear |
| 20:26.11 | Dagmar | Amarande: No sign that he'd even done any heroics yet at all. For the task at hand he was _woefully undergeared_. |
| 20:26.19 | Dagmar | My *monkey* would have had more hit points. |
| 20:26.23 | Dagmar | ...and probably higher armor. |
| 20:26.27 | Amarande | ow. |
| 20:26.42 | ZorbaTHut | I do wonder how they're going to handle people with drastically different gear qualities for different sets |
| 20:26.46 | ZorbaTHut | my dps gear is nowhere near as good as my tank gear |
| 20:26.50 | Dagmar | I am not one of those guys who demands a gearscore of 5000+ to do Heroic Nexus |
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| 20:27.48 | Dagmar | My main gripe is whether or not people will turn on the damn voicechat so they can hear instructions. |
| 20:28.05 | Dagmar | I can type 120WPM but I'l be damned if anyone ever _sees_ it when something goes wrong in the middle of a fight |
| 20:28.10 | Amarande | Dagmar: do you use vent or the built-in wow voicechat? |
| 20:28.32 | Dagmar | Amarande: I'll take either, but no one's got any excuse to not turn on the built-in voicechat if they dont' ahve vent |
| 20:29.06 | Dagmar | I dont' care if they don't have a mic or not |
| 20:29.09 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, is this for heroics or for raids? |
| 20:29.31 | Lopeppeppy | Built in voice chat sucks... a lot. Just sayin'. I won't turn it on, ever. I'll log into Vent, but I won't use the built in piece of junk. |
| 20:29.36 | Dagmar | If they're slightly undergeared, they need to compensate for it by not f**king up, which means people need to communicate, or at least be able to folllow new orders quickly |
| 20:30.23 | Dagmar | Stuff always goes wrong in PUGs. Whether or not you can compensate for it determines if you're good, or if you need to go back to doing 25-mans |
| 20:30.32 | Dagmar | (Oh yes, I went there) |
| 20:31.03 | Aelo | i know it doesnt effect US, but will EU multi-language battlegroups get multi-language pugs? |
| 20:31.18 | Amarande | Yeah, and there's even been times when pumping the meters *was* the answer, despite my usual dislike for meters. |
| 20:31.25 | Amarande | Like the time we almost missed out on the bronze drake in H-COS |
| 20:31.26 | Dagmar | Aelo: They'll have to speak in lolcat |
| 20:31.32 | Aelo | xD |
| 20:31.34 | Amarande | had maybe a minute to spare or so when we got to the boss |
| 20:31.39 | Amarande | but then I did like 4200 DPS and we got it just in time |
| 20:31.44 | Amarande | (and it was given to me ... yay) |
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| 20:32.22 | ZorbaTHut | we've actually had to basically force the drake on people |
| 20:32.26 | Amarande | I forget if I was flasked, if I wasn't, I could have done even more. |
| 20:32.36 | ZorbaTHut | "but I'm undergeared and not helping much, I don't deserve it" "All of us already have it!" |
| 20:32.37 | Amarande | Zorba: people don't like the bronze drake? |
| 20:32.45 | guestpants | how do i make a fram actually resizable? |
| 20:32.45 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 heroic CoS isn't really a dps race.. |
| 20:32.55 | guestpants | if set the value in the frame declaration as true |
| 20:32.56 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: It's a bloody footrace |
| 20:32.57 | Amarande | I find it's one of the few WotLK flying mounts that's actually a pleasure to fly |
| 20:32.58 | guestpants | but in game i can't resize it |
| 20:33.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: THAT it is, yes. |
| 20:33.11 | Aelo | it's a "wait for arthas" race |
| 20:33.11 | Dagmar | heh |
| 20:33.15 | Amarande | Night: when you only have one minute to take down wossname it kind of is. :) |
| 20:33.33 | NightHawkTheSane | if you only have 1 minute, you're doing it wrong |
| 20:33.33 | NeoTron | http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000IZGIA - check the customer imagex |
| 20:33.50 | Dagmar | Most of the time when I get tangled up in that, we just kinda barely know where Arthas is |
| 20:33.51 | guestpants | http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000IZGIA http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000IZGIA |
| 20:33.53 | guestpants | ah |
| 20:33.57 | guestpants | irssi copy fail |
| 20:33.59 | guestpants | :( |
| 20:34.01 | Dagmar | I'm having to pop in and out of Cheetah just to catch up with the goddamn tank |
| 20:34.29 | guestpants | anyone able to help me make my frame resizable? |
| 20:34.42 | Dagmar | The moment the previous spaawn's been killed, if he's not almost deed, he's off and running to where the next one will spawn |
| 20:34.54 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, honestly you just have to make sure someone talks to him at the designated points, beyodn that you should be moving faster than him |
| 20:35.37 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Our usual tank abuses his engineering boots in there I think |
| 20:36.13 | Dagmar | I din't even know we had to talk to Athas more than just twice until the 3-4 time through |
| 20:38.05 | ZorbaTHut | I abuse the hell out of Warbringer in there |
| 20:38.27 | ZorbaTHut | best talent in the entire game |
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| 20:39.40 | guestpants | ahhhh |
| 20:39.50 | guestpants | the xml changes i just made broke my addon :( |
| 20:39.53 | guestpants | the frame no longer appears |
| 20:39.54 | guestpants | T_T |
| 20:40.31 | guestpants | *angrysigh* |
| 20:41.23 | Amarande | fail |
| 20:41.45 | Amarande | Zorba: btw, is QH going to be laid to rest with honors when 3.3 comes out, or still be updated? |
| 20:42.30 | Amarande | also wonders if cartographer is going to function correctly with the 3.3 questing map stuff ... |
| 20:42.39 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, I'm going to keep updating it, but I'm sort of getting bored of it. |
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| 20:43.07 | Amarande | ah. |
| 20:43.13 | Amarande | it just looked like 3.3 is going to kind of obsolete it anyway |
| 20:43.34 | nicoli_s | well they said the same thing about 3.2 |
| 20:43.45 | ZorbaTHut | nicoli, well, they pulled the changes in 3.2 ;) |
| 20:43.51 | guestpants | questhelper? |
| 20:43.57 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, they replace the waypoint stuff, though from what I've seen they're still doing a worse job than I am somehow |
| 20:44.07 | ZorbaTHut | they're not doing anything about routing or achievements |
| 20:44.32 | guestpants | didn't realize there were so many prominent addon authors in here ... |
| 20:44.35 | durcyn | blizzard has a long and sordid history of halfassedly borging addons |
| 20:44.35 | guestpants | *feels small* |
| 20:44.38 | guestpants | :p |
| 20:44.44 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, all the cool kids hang out here |
| 20:44.49 | NightHawkTheSane | but the trick is, the addon authors aren't the cool kids. ;) |
| 20:45.05 | durcyn | NightHawkTheSane, for example, has written more addons than anyone. |
| 20:45.21 | Lopeppeppy | is cool |
| 20:45.24 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 20:45.32 | guestpants | which addons did you make? |
| 20:45.38 | guestpants | i'm very new to the scene, as most of you know... |
| 20:45.45 | Lopeppeppy | That's the joke. guestpants, I'm not a coder at all. |
| 20:45.49 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn is making a jab at me, of course. :) |
| 20:45.54 | Amarande | durcyn: you still need mini-addons for a lot of it anyway though :) |
| 20:45.55 | guestpants | oh |
| 20:45.56 | guestpants | right |
| 20:46.00 | guestpants | you said you weren't a coder |
| 20:46.05 | guestpants | i'm still interested in which authors are in here |
| 20:46.08 | NightHawkTheSane | I do have a few on WoWI, though, StableBoy, basicAttitude, Runemaster... |
| 20:46.08 | Amarande | if nothing else, because Blizzard is rather fail at letting you move their interface widgets around without |
| 20:46.11 | nicoli_s | its not fair, i right addons, but dont get no points like the rest of you |
| 20:46.14 | guestpants | i've seen jnwhiteh |
| 20:46.16 | nicoli_s | write* |
| 20:46.22 | guestpants | and he's responded to my thread on wowprogramming.com |
| 20:46.32 | Lopeppeppy | I have not seen jnwhiteh, I don't believe he exists! :) |
| 20:46.39 | guestpants | teehee |
| 20:46.39 | Grum | he's a robot |
| 20:46.47 | nicoli_s | kaelten is |
| 20:46.47 | Lopeppeppy | Or a budgie bird. |
| 20:46.57 | nicoli_s | a robot i mean |
| 20:47.01 | NightHawkTheSane | i keep forgetting to ask jnwhiteh to add lightheaded to the quest pane that pops up when you click on a quest in the tracker |
| 20:49.12 | Kaelten | nicoli_s: you're just jelous |
| 20:52.09 | guestpants | if i'm saving a table per character, do i just say 'tablename' inside of the TOC? |
| 20:52.14 | guestpants | or does it need a {} or something wiht it? |
| 20:52.29 | Grum | just the name of the variable nothing else |
| 20:52.44 | guestpants | hm it didn't save |
| 20:52.45 | guestpants | bah humbug |
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| 21:15.41 | guestpants | :( |
| 21:16.12 | Thunder_Child | i'm surprised it's so slow in here today tbh |
| 21:17.18 | ZorbaTHut | I'm busy writin' a game |
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| 21:19.00 | guestpants | grrrrr i can't figure out how to get this to resize correctly |
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| 21:26.27 | Thunder_Child | guestpants, find an addon that does it already and take a gander |
| 21:26.37 | Kraps | http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/dpgo_11_Year_Old_Gives_Birth_on_Wedding_Day_mb_200911031257283639794?obref=obinsite |
| 21:26.58 | guestpants | Thunder_Child: humph, ok |
| 21:27.10 | guestpants | http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/dpgo_11_Year_Old_Gives_Birth_on_Wedding_Day_mb_200911031257283639794?obref=obinsite |
| 21:27.14 | guestpants | god damit |
| 21:27.18 | guestpants | i can't copy paste worth shit |
| 21:27.20 | guestpants | T_T |
| 21:29.07 | nicoli_s | wow what a touching story |
| 21:29.07 | Kraps | guestpants: wut |
| 21:31.10 | nicoli_s | wow, most of the pregnant people in the country is between 14-17 gg |
| 21:33.33 | jaxdahl2 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21035179612&sid=1 |
| 21:33.35 | Amarande | which fail country is this? |
| 21:34.39 | Kraps | Bulgaria |
| 21:34.41 | Thunder_Child | it says on the first line |
| 21:34.47 | Amarande | good grief. |
| 21:34.58 | Amarande | of course, maybe teenagers are the only ones there who have enough free time to get married. LOL |
| 21:35.57 | olafski | nicoli_s: Most brides in the country are between 14 and 17 years of age. |
| 21:36.07 | olafski | though it might be implied they aren't saying this about pregnancy ;) |
| 21:38.52 | Pneumatus | the husband faces jail time for having sex with a minor though, which strikes me as weird that they can get married but not have sex :o |
| 21:39.20 | Dagmar | They can once they're married |
| 21:39.42 | guestpants | yay my table works!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:39.49 | guestpants | now, i need to figure out how to make it print to a frame |
| 21:39.52 | Pneumatus | so you can have sex with a minor as long as you're married to them |
| 21:39.53 | Pneumatus | pro |
| 21:40.10 | Dagmar | They're no longer a minor. |
| 21:40.20 | Dagmar | There's an emancipation procedure that has to be done first |
| 21:40.39 | Dagmar | Being a minor is a legal status. |
| 21:41.24 | Dagmar | Emancipation nullfies it. |
| 21:41.39 | cog|work | http://www.skytopia.com/project/fractal/mandelbulb.html |
| 21:41.57 | industrial | so is the google os out yet and where can I get an iso :> oh and does it run on a vm? |
| 21:42.16 | cog|work | industrial: android sdk imo |
| 21:42.18 | Dagmar | industrial: Unlikely that it'll run on a "normal" VM. |
| 21:42.36 | Dagmar | industrial: Read and watch the press stuff from this morning and it'll become more obvious |
| 21:42.49 | cog|work | must be missing something |
| 21:42.57 | Dagmar | A _netbook_ on the other hand, it's rather tailored for. |
| 21:44.21 | ZorbaTHut | I don't see why it wouldn't run on a VM |
| 21:44.52 | Kraps | yeah, no http://www.jinx.com/world_of_warcraft/minigamers/stormwind_orphan_baby_one_piece.html?catid=40&cs=2&csd=40 |
| 21:45.21 | KarlKFI|work | http://www.sandiegozoo.org/pandacam/index.html |
| 21:47.46 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: that is both awesome and disturbing |
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| 21:49.20 | guestpants | cog|work: i see a bunch of chinese or maybe japanese characters... |
| 21:49.43 | cog|work | guestpants: umm... reload perhaps? |
| 21:49.43 | guestpants | oh |
| 21:49.43 | guestpants | there we go |
| 21:49.48 | guestpants | it was the wrong url |
| 21:49.48 | guestpants | :p |
| 21:49.52 | guestpants | did skyproject |
| 21:49.53 | guestpants | not skytopia |
| 21:50.04 | cog|work | copy/paste 4tw :P |
| 21:51.21 | Antiarc | Welp. |
| 21:51.31 | Antiarc | "PickupInventoryItem() has been set as a Blizzard only call, and as a result, ItemRack and TrinketMenu have been rendered useless." |
| 21:55.16 | Pneumatus | so, everyone is gonna have to switch to using the ass bilzzard equipment manager then :< |
| 21:55.39 | ZorbaTHut | oh dammit, I think that also breaks my automatic mailer |
| 21:55.46 | VonhintenHOME` | Why didn't they just make it secured? |
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| 21:56.23 | olafski | I thought it would break my auto vendor thing too :< |
| 21:56.25 | olafski | but it won't ;p |
| 21:56.30 | ZorbaTHut | I assume they cover PickupContainerItem also? |
| 21:56.39 | olafski | oh in that case it will |
| 21:56.56 | ZorbaTHut | considering that the two are basically equivalent, I'd be surprised if it didn't |
| 21:57.02 | ZorbaTHut | that will break a *lot* of convenience mods |
| 21:57.20 | industrial | in a code block of lua can I make some override function to every function call in that block so I can generate functions on demand |
| 21:57.22 | VonhintenHOME` | They only needed to stop weapon swapping from happening during combat... doesn't make sense to kill the function outside of combat |
| 21:57.32 | industrial | depending on the name of the lookup |
| 21:57.41 | Amarande | zorba: RIP fishing buddy? |
| 21:57.45 | Pneumatus | i have PickupInventoryItem in autobar and outfitter, which i guess will be affected :< |
| 21:58.00 | ZorbaTHut | vonhinten, they also need to stop people from making macros, though |
| 21:58.02 | Amarande | blizzard, why must you fail? |
| 21:58.27 | VonhintenHOME` | Zorba, so secure /use on weapons too |
| 21:58.37 | Antiarc | That's a horrid idea |
| 21:58.44 | Antiarc | There are lots of legit cases for manual swapping via macro |
| 21:58.50 | Antiarc | Sword+board comes to mind |
| 21:58.51 | Amarande | meh, I hadn't heard the game was being excessively broken by people swapping weapons in combat. |
| 21:59.06 | Antiarc | Amarande: I kind of wrote an addon that was giving Mut rogues +600-800 DPS. |
| 21:59.07 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's a really really useful function for things that have generally not been problems |
| 21:59.20 | ZorbaTHut | I wonder if there's a possibility to talk them out of it |
| 21:59.39 | ZorbaTHut | will that break auctioneer also? |
| 21:59.41 | Lunessa | I blame Antiarc - but only because he thought of it first. |
| 22:00.04 | VonhintenHOME` | So, they poison swap macros still work |
| 22:00.04 | Pneumatus | i blame Antiarc for making it more than a proof of concept addon |
| 22:00.07 | VonhintenHOME` | then |
| 22:00.10 | Amarande | Zorba: what part of auctioneer? you don't directly pick up items in the AH, you get them in the mail |
| 22:00.35 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, you sure you don't drop items into the "auction slot"? |
| 22:00.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: did you go from winning wow to breaking wow? |
| 22:00.47 | ZorbaTHut | PickupContainerItem is referred five times in CorePost.lua |
| 22:00.47 | Antiarc | I think I won by breaking it. |
| 22:00.54 | NightHawkTheSane | possibly true :) |
| 22:01.00 | Antiarc | I doubt they broke PickupContainerItem() |
| 22:01.02 | NightHawkTheSane | ~Antiarc++ |
| 22:01.06 | Antiarc | There's no real reason to protect it |
| 22:01.21 | Amarande | also: what's the impact this item change has on ArkInventory, if any? |
| 22:01.47 | NightHawkTheSane | probably none, unless AI handles inventory items? |
| 22:01.53 | ZorbaTHut | ah, I see, PickupInventory is just for equipped gear |
| 22:01.58 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 22:02.09 | Shirik | who |
| 22:02.10 | Antiarc | PickupInventoryItem "clicks" a gear slow on your character sheet |
| 22:02.12 | Shirik | exam time over |
| 22:02.17 | Shirik | I will now go baibais |
| 22:02.18 | ZorbaTHut | alright, that's less catastrophic, though still really annoying. I'm going to miss Closetgnome :( |
| 22:02.20 | Amarande | well, there is the right click to equip items |
| 22:02.31 | Amarande | I don't know if that will break if you're using a backpack addon |
| 22:02.37 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: closetgnome is just a tie-in to equipemnt manager thse days |
| 22:02.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: why u gotta go breakin stuff lolol |
| 22:02.40 | NightHawkTheSane | (except with less typos) |
| 22:02.44 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, my version isn't :P |
| 22:02.45 | VonhintenHOME` | They could have just made poisons static mainhand and offhand... |
| 22:02.47 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1: Surgery with a shotgun, baby. |
| 22:02.51 | Pneumatus | Outfitter/ItemRack will be broken though |
| 22:02.55 | Amarande | I already can't use anything directly out of my spellbook due to the fact that my mini menu icons being broker addons causes taint |
| 22:02.56 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: fair enough. :) welcome to equipment manager? it's actually rather nice |
| 22:03.03 | Pneumatus | as they manage the swapping themselves |
| 22:03.16 | Pneumatus | the equipment manager doesn't have enough set slots |
| 22:03.16 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, but I don't believe it handles "change gear in combat" properly |
| 22:03.23 | ZorbaTHut | which is something I absolutely love due to being incredibly forgetful |
| 22:04.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: was weapon swapping for poisons really a 600+ dps increase with your addon? |
| 22:04.10 | ZorbaTHut | I wonder if it's possible to abuse the API to jam data into the equipment manager and then equip the set you just created |
| 22:04.13 | Antiarc | NightHawkTheSane: Yes. |
| 22:04.20 | NightHawkTheSane | that's freaking crazy. |
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| 22:04.29 | Pneumatus | ZorbaTHut: generate sets dynamically you mean? |
| 22:04.34 | ZorbaTHut | pneumatus, yeah |
| 22:04.36 | Antiarc | Well, 600 DPS was the macro version, which ignored swing timing |
| 22:04.42 | Antiarc | My addon was probably higher DPS on average |
| 22:04.47 | Antiarc | Since it mitigated white damage loss |
| 22:04.51 | Pneumatus | well, the likes of outfitter etc can save their internal sets to the equipment manager sets, so i guess so |
| 22:04.51 | NightHawkTheSane | equally crazy. :) |
| 22:04.58 | Pneumatus | which means that antiarc's addon could abuse it the same |
| 22:05.15 | ZorbaTHut | I assume the equipment manager API prevents you from using it for swapping in combat, however |
| 22:05.34 | Pneumatus | i think it just follows usual combat lockdown rules, so only weapon swapping |
| 22:05.49 | Pneumatus | they should just disable weapon swapping in combat, problem solved |
| 22:05.57 | Antiarc | That breaks sword+board, etc |
| 22:05.57 | ZorbaTHut | pneumatus, huge PvP implications for that, however |
| 22:06.03 | Pneumatus | who cares |
| 22:06.06 | NightHawkTheSane | that breaks a lot ofthings they want to keep |
| 22:06.06 | Antiarc | Warriors? |
| 22:06.14 | ZorbaTHut | PvPers do |
| 22:06.19 | ZorbaTHut | and for some crazy reason Blizzard cares about them |
| 22:06.22 | Pneumatus | id rather break warriors and pvpers than equipment managers |
| 22:06.27 | NightHawkTheSane | it makes those argent mounts a lot more annoying |
| 22:06.52 | Thunder_Child | http://notalwaysright.com/how-about-some-techiflu/3207 |
| 22:06.52 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, i think on blizzards end i'd rather break a few mods. |
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| 22:07.50 | VonhintenHOME` | Change poisons to buffs to aren't attached to specific weapons, you get a mainhand and an offhand, swapping weapons doesn't change it |
| 22:08.00 | VonhintenHOME` | to aren't=that aren't |
| 22:08.34 | Antiarc | There are legit cases for poison swapping in combat |
| 22:08.41 | VonhintenHOME` | Then get rid of them |
| 22:08.52 | Antiarc | For example, Blizzard is fine with rogues manually swapping in anesthetic to shiv off an enrage effect |
| 22:08.53 | VonhintenHOME` | gives rogues an ability to get rid of enrage, instead of a poison |
| 22:09.08 | Antiarc | They're also fine with manual swaps to mind-numbing against casters in arena |
| 22:09.24 | VonhintenHOME` | make disarm do the same thing |
| 22:11.12 | Thunder_Child | http://kotaku.com/5408551/starcraft-ii-web-site-upgrade-complete-new-info-deployed |
| 22:11.16 | Ginji | Give the equipment manager poison preferences! |
| 22:11.17 | Ginji | :P |
| 22:11.23 | VonhintenHOME` | It couldn't have been just the DPS increase they were worried about... they could have solved that another way |
| 22:11.40 | VonhintenHOME` | I'm guessing it was the automated selection of poisons based on target that they didn't like |
| 22:12.00 | Ginji | So remove targetting! ... oh wait |
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| 22:13.01 | VonhintenHOME` | Ah well, and I was going to ask if you had already coded your mod to switch to anesthetic poison on enraged targets yet =P |
| 22:18.41 | VonhintenHOME` | So, anyone else hooked on CoD4 MW2? :) |
| 22:22.58 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 22:23.21 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/04/05/funny-pictures-got-my-grump-on/ |
| 22:23.26 | Arrowmaster | lvl 63 when i stopped playing lastnight |
| 22:24.14 | Arrowmaster | and about to play now |
| 22:25.53 | Thunder_Child | that game fails. 40-50 million $ to make a game that has a 6 hour single player game...bad buisness |
| 22:26.13 | Amarande | yeah, what's with all these big budget fail games lately |
| 22:26.20 | Amarande | whatever happened to when gaming was actually a thriving art? |
| 22:26.40 | Amarande | Ginji: remove targetting? how would people be able to fail at DPSing then though? |
| 22:28.15 | Arrowmaster | took me 16 hours for single player but i was doing it on vet and kept getting really bad checkpoints |
| 22:30.15 | Amarande | Arrowmaster, when will the true art of gaming resurrect? |
| 22:30.24 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, how much is it selling, however? |
| 22:30.29 | NightHawkTheSane | who says its dead? |
| 22:30.40 | Arrowmaster | never as long as EA and Activision are still in business |
| 22:30.41 | ZorbaTHut | movies spend more to provide you with less entertainment, in terms of sheer hours, and yet many of them aren't bad business. |
| 22:30.57 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, biggest release of any media in a 24 hour period in the us |
| 22:31.00 | Lunessa | Mmmm..... movies. |
| 22:31.01 | ZorbaTHut | man the true art of gaming is alive and well, you guys just aren't looking hard enough |
| 22:31.13 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: indeed. |
| 22:31.31 | Thunder_Child | my issue isnt that they arent going to make money on it, they are, my point is that they are wasting money. |
| 22:31.36 | Arrowmaster | did you see how many Guitar Hero/Guitar Hero inspired titles Activision pushed out in Q4 |
| 22:31.53 | Thunder_Child | though somehow i have a feeling that SC2 will break that record |
| 22:31.55 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, I hate to say this, but I strongly suspect that the project managers in charge of a $50 million budget probably know the industry a bit better than you do. |
| 22:32.19 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: .. they probably also took a huge chunk of that $50 mill and kept it, too. |
| 22:32.49 | ZorbaTHut | then I guess they're not wasting the money, then, are they, they're turning it into profit |
| 22:32.53 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, what does the industry have to do with anything. most of the cost of the game was in the single player storyline. yet it's short, even for FPS's |
| 22:33.04 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, what's your point? |
| 22:33.08 | ZorbaTHut | length isn't everything |
| 22:33.11 | Thunder_Child | the multiplayer is the big attraction |
| 22:33.18 | Arrowmaster | they seem to create a new game engine for every CoD from what ive heard, ive only played 1, 4, and MW2 so i wouldnt know about the others |
| 22:33.30 | ZorbaTHut | I suspect you're overestimating the value of the multiplayer - multiplayer-only games tend to die shockingly fast |
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| 22:34.06 | Antiarc | Like Counterstrike |
| 22:34.09 | Antiarc | Flash in the pan, that one |
| 22:34.12 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: no most things pushed out seem to be focused on multiplayer now |
| 22:34.21 | Thunder_Child | all i'm saying is that for 50 million dollars i think you can have more than 6 hours of play time |
| 22:34.54 | Lunessa | should not stare at cog|work's FB photos of FOOD. |
| 22:35.00 | alestane | Lunessa: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/11/19/funny-pictures-stupidity-is-blinding/ |
| 22:35.03 | durcyn | the length of the campaign isn't an issue so much as the complete over-the-top nature of it, cod games have always tended towards realism in the past. mw2 is rambo bullshit. |
| 22:35.05 | cog|work | whistles innocently |
| 22:35.12 | ZorbaTHut | multiplayer makes for good advertising, and tends to be real easy to rig up once you have a singleplayer campaign in place. it's also got *very* good post-release viral marketing aspects to it |
| 22:35.25 | Lunessa | alestane: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/11/19/funny-pictures-look-like-lassie-to-you/ |
| 22:35.25 | Arrowmaster | CoD games have been short from my experience, i remember being disappointed that i beat CoD1 in a single sitting, although i think it might have taken 10 hours |
| 22:35.48 | Arrowmaster | and i beat CoD4 in two evenings on vet difficulty |
| 22:36.21 | Arrowmaster | i kept going back to multiplayer for MW2 so it took me a few days |
| 22:36.24 | ZorbaTHut | also, multiplayer tends to be the focus of the hardcore gaming community, and I suspect most of the people in this channel are in that community. a shocking number of people simply never touch singleplayer in any aspect |
| 22:36.49 | Arrowmaster | i always do singleplayer |
| 22:36.54 | Thunder_Child | i almost only play single player |
| 22:37.02 | Thunder_Child | for RTS anyway |
| 22:37.05 | ScytheBlade1 | if nothing else |
| 22:37.10 | ScytheBlade1 | crysis is incredibly pretty |
| 22:37.17 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut, Thunder_Child: well the other issue is that how many people play a single player game more than once, maybe twice? So you spend a lot of time money for gameplay that people are generally only going to experince a couple times |
| 22:37.27 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, but if they've already bought the game, what does it matter? |
| 22:37.31 | NightHawkTheSane | wheras a robust multiplayer experience acn add hundreds of hours of gameplay |
| 22:37.35 | ZorbaTHut | the goal isn't "give people the most number of hours of gameplay" |
| 22:37.38 | ZorbaTHut | the goal is "sell games" |
| 22:37.51 | ZorbaTHut | and, if you're feeling altruistic, the goal is "make games that people enjoy" |
| 22:38.00 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: and, er, if a player thinks they'll play a game a lot, they're more likely to buy it :P |
| 22:38.04 | Lunessa | I play Civ IV in single-player mode. It still consumes entire weekends. |
| 22:38.10 | Arrowmaster | im trying to remember but i think it was Halo3 that people online kept asking me how i got the different armor sets and i had to keep telling them to fucking play the damn single player |
| 22:38.11 | ZorbaTHut | no, if people think the game is likely to be *fun* they'll buy it |
| 22:38.19 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: both are valid. |
| 22:38.24 | ZorbaTHut | a very large number of people simply never bother with more than one of the major game modes |
| 22:38.36 | alestane | ZorbaTHut: I'd say the goal is "sell games that don't cripple our ability to sell more games." |
| 22:38.40 | ZorbaTHut | in fact, I'd argue that a checkbox that says "multiplayer support" is more valuable than actually adding good multiplayer |
| 22:38.40 | Dagmar | ...cuz those bots are just too hard! |
| 22:38.58 | Ginji | I'd play Borderlands online if it wasn't so retarded to set it up |
| 22:39.00 | ZorbaTHut | since most people will simply *never get around to it*, even if they think they will. |
| 22:39.03 | Arrowmaster | imho i blame the games themselves for the booming game trade in market that the game developers and publishers hate so much |
| 22:39.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: do you mean games being "one shot, and now i'm bored"? |
| 22:39.50 | Lunessa | http://textsfromlastnight.com/areacode/518 |
| 22:40.29 | Arrowmaster | yeah lack of replay value or people only getting the game for multiplayer and then selling it when the multiplayer scene dies because some new hit came out and everybody has traded it in for that one |
| 22:40.58 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* |
| 22:41.10 | NightHawkTheSane | well, for the latter, i dont think the game itself is at fault, as much as the industry & marketing. |
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| 22:41.17 | alestane | Folks worried about add-ons like ItemRack should probably wait a PTR build or three before rewriting them. |
| 22:41.21 | NightHawkTheSane | they WANT you to stop playing your old games when their new title comes out |
| 22:42.28 | Arrowmaster | for example i have over 100 hours i think on one character in Too Human which isnt a long game at all, its only got 4 acts and you are ment to be able to get through them rather quickly, the game has a lot of replay value to me |
| 22:42.49 | Arrowmaster | but now that ive completed MW2 singleplayer on vet i doubt ill play the single player again anytime soon |
| 22:43.52 | Arrowmaster | burnout paradise is another game ive got over 100 hours played on |
| 22:46.00 | Arrowmaster | NightHawkTheSane: i didnt mean new title in a series but just 'new hot title' |
| 22:46.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: yeah, thats what i meant too. |
| 22:48.07 | Ancu | Sup all? |
| 22:48.12 | Arrowmaster | imho they shouldnt be trying to get people to buy the games new on release with the preorder bonuses that EVERYTHING fucking has now but instead make it so people dont want to trade the game in |
| 22:49.41 | NightHawkTheSane | most publishers clearly aren't smart enough to figure that part out, though. |
| 22:49.48 | ZorbaTHut | why, so that people don't buy more games in the future? :P |
| 22:50.21 | Ancu | Who are we talking about being tarted now? |
| 22:50.29 | Ginji | Steam has already fixed the resell issue |
| 22:50.51 | Arrowmaster | mostly referring to console games here |
| 22:50.53 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: eh, i doubt a lack of tradeins would really hamper new game sales |
| 22:51.15 | Arrowmaster | since places like gamestop wont accept any pc games for trade in |
| 22:51.42 | ZorbaTHut | no, but the claim here is that they should be encouraging people to play the same game more hours |
| 22:51.44 | Ancu | ah, I know you can get some bonuses for buying the games at walmart sometimes |
| 22:51.47 | ZorbaTHut | the end result of that is people buying fewer games |
| 22:51.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: the other thing is that for most games, once that game is sold it no longer provides revenue to the company. so they only care about foisting new games on you. |
| 22:52.40 | Ancu | Thats why you create expantions |
| 22:52.45 | Arrowmaster | right but because people trade the game in there are more copies available for people to buy used and the company doesnt get any money |
| 22:53.32 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* |
| 22:54.26 | Shirik | I agree with expansions |
| 22:54.30 | Ancu | Heres an idea, instead of having new games and all this stuff, use PSN and XBL and the Wii whatever they call their network to save chars. Then have the expantion use those chars, and you cant resell the game because you can only create accounts, like in wow. |
| 22:54.33 | Shirik | good way to convince people to not resell the game |
| 22:54.47 | Arrowmaster | im just saying that the publishers and developers saw the problem 'after a while people are buying the game used and not new so we dont get paid' and they start adding stuff like codes in all boxes for some DLC that you wont get if you buy it used, when they could approch the problem from the other direction and make their games with replay value so that people wont be inclined to sell them so there wo |
| 22:54.47 | Shirik | Ancu: Would cause a rebellion imo |
| 22:54.53 | Arrowmaster | nt be as large of a supply of used games |
| 22:54.56 | Arrowmaster | </walloftext> |
| 22:55.28 | Shirik | that's walloftext? |
| 22:55.33 | Shirik | What am I? |
| 22:55.36 | Shirik | Great wall of china? |
| 22:55.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: i agree |
| 22:55.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: the great wall of china is smaller than most of your tirades. ;) |
| 22:55.55 | Shirik | >< |
| 22:56.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: it seems to come down to the stanard disconnect of quality vs quantity. |
| 22:56.26 | Arrowmaster | im all for the right to resell or loan games but i do think the used game issue is going to be a problem |
| 22:56.28 | NightHawkTheSane | and in the modern marketplace, the latter usually wins. |
| 22:56.54 | Shirik | this is a kano problem tbh |
| 22:57.07 | Arrowmaster | again like i mentioned earlier go look at how many Guitar Hero/Guitar Hero inspired games Activision published in Q4 2009 |
| 22:57.16 | Arrowmaster | its insane |
| 22:57.36 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 22:57.41 | Shirik | problem is most of the functionality Arrowmaster is talking about is a kano delighter |
| 22:57.55 | Shirik | whereas game content is a dis-satisfier |
| 22:58.19 | Arrowmaster | i think this can be summed up the way most of my rants can be, capitalism sucks |
| 22:58.26 | Shirik | You MUST produce game content, and producing the content WILL result in sales very quickly, even if done only minimally |
| 22:58.39 | Shirik | however, functionality to KEEP the game has to be done EXTREMELY well to make people not resell the game |
| 22:58.56 | Shirik | and, quite simply, that is a lot of work that most business people will believe is better spent elsewhere |
| 22:58.59 | Shirik | like a new, mediocre game |
| 22:59.31 | Arrowmaster | anybody that resells burnout paradise is a fucking idiot or didnt know when they bought it but found out they hate driving games |
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| 23:00.01 | Shirik | g/g |
| 23:00.23 | Arrowmaster | so much fucking content added after the game shipped that they even rereleased it with all the premium content included, although a lot of it was free anyway |
| 23:00.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: thats because most business people only care about one thing |
| 23:02.19 | WobWork | Sex? |
| 23:03.13 | Arrowmaster | yes, but what do they need to get that during those business trips to Thailand |
| 23:05.01 | WobWork | Young ladyboys? |
| 23:05.24 | WobWork | actually, with most of them, you'd not be able to tell their age |
| 23:08.05 | Fisker | Shirik you wouldn't rob a guy, then steal a car, then crash the car, then rob the guys helping you, then steal their car, then crash the car again! |
| 23:09.26 | Fisker | rite Shirik|AFK ? |
| 23:09.29 | Fisker | baww |
| 23:09.37 | WobWork | He might |
| 23:09.41 | WobWork | it's always the quiet ones |
| 23:09.49 | Fisker | you wouldn't go AFK while i was typing that :( |
| 23:09.56 | Fisker | what about you WobWork ? |
| 23:10.23 | WobWork | goes AFK |
| 23:11.38 | Fisker | aww |
| 23:11.49 | Fisker | then i will sleep WobWork |
| 23:11.50 | Fisker | jerk! |
| 23:12.09 | WobWork | tucks Fisker in |
| 23:12.26 | WobWork | tucks a few bottles of milk around Fisker to make him feel snug |
| 23:17.51 | Lunessa | You wouldn't steal candy from a baby! You wouldn't plagiarize some's work for a college paper! |
| 23:18.23 | Fisker | you wouldn't kill a real live person before you go to bed |
| 23:19.18 | Lunessa | But Fisker might. |
| 23:19.49 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 23:19.53 | Shirik | why so Fisker? |
| 23:20.04 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 23:20.18 | Fisker | You wouldn't rob a guy, then steal a car, then crash the car, then rob the guys helping you, then steal their car, then crash the car again! |
| 23:21.04 | Shirik | how do you know? |
| 23:21.10 | nicoli_s | hey fisker, hows that gyromancer game? |
| 23:21.18 | ScytheBlade1 | is doing the impossible, and playing Crysis at 'Very High' |
| 23:21.48 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Are you playing at 1 fps? |
| 23:21.50 | Fisker | kinda weird nicoli_s |
| 23:22.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't know what it is running at, but it is flawless |
| 23:22.07 | ScytheBlade1 | And it is pretty |
| 23:22.07 | Fisker | with ATi's HD5970 it's not that impossible |
| 23:22.11 | Shirik | Are you playing on a beowulf cluster? |
| 23:22.20 | Fisker | http://store.steampowered.com/app/39100/ nicoli_s |
| 23:23.00 | ScytheBlade1 | playing on an i7, 6GB of RAM, and a GTX260 |
| 23:23.09 | ScytheBlade1 | The real reason I can do that is because my monitor is a whopping 1440x900 |
| 23:23.29 | Shirik | bigger than mine |
| 23:23.58 | ScytheBlade1 | also playing at maxed AA and AS |
| 23:24.30 | Shirik | Why don't humans have wings? |
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| 23:24.52 | Shirik | We are supposed to be the perfect race |
| 23:24.54 | Ancu | The time has come the walrus said |
| 23:24.58 | cog|work | says who? |
| 23:25.03 | Shirik | says me |
| 23:25.04 | NightHawkTheSane | who said we're the perfect race? |
| 23:25.07 | Shirik | me |
| 23:25.14 | cog|work | no u! |
| 23:25.18 | Shirik | yes me |
| 23:25.19 | NightHawkTheSane | right, but you're nobody, so. :P |
| 23:25.26 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:25.33 | cog|work | gills would be more useful than wings imo |
| 23:25.41 | Shirik | I want to fly! |
| 23:25.50 | Shirik | can't really use gills |
| 23:25.54 | Shirik | would be quite ineffective |
| 23:26.02 | cog|work | all that's up there is air and some birds... but 3/4 of the planet is covered in food-filled water |
| 23:26.11 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 23:26.12 | Shirik | well I guess maybe |
| 23:26.21 | NightHawkTheSane | there's far more under the sea than in the air |
| 23:26.42 | Shirik | I'm not really sure how our lungs would work at pressure. Scuba regulators handle it automatically, but I don't know how gills work |
| 23:27.00 | cog|work | the lungs would probably be fully deflated at depth |
| 23:27.21 | Shirik | wouldn't that be a problem? Or are you saying there is another way to get the air we need |
| 23:27.24 | alestane | ...or filled with fluid. |
| 23:27.25 | Shirik | or that we don't need air |
| 23:27.34 | cog|work | Shirik: ... gills |
| 23:27.36 | Shirik | yes I don't know how gills work |
| 23:27.38 | cog|work | the point is oxygen not air |
| 23:27.45 | Shirik | I was assuming water turns into air |
| 23:27.46 | Shirik | ok fine oxygen |
| 23:27.53 | Shirik | and then oxygen -> lungs |
| 23:28.00 | Shirik | and lungs = ^_^ |
| 23:28.00 | cog|work | gills are basically like lungs but they extract o2 from water instead of from air |
| 23:28.12 | Shirik | so you would use the gills instead of lungs |
| 23:28.14 | Shirik | not in tandem |
| 23:28.15 | cog|work | yes |
| 23:28.17 | Shirik | ok |
| 23:29.15 | Ancu | no |
| 23:29.21 | Ancu | fish still have lungs |
| 23:29.47 | cog|work | some do, yes |
| 23:30.00 | cog|work | hums the Muddy The Mudskipper theme |
| 23:30.01 | Ancu | lungs give the O2 to the blood |
| 23:31.13 | alestane | Gills are essentially inverted lungs suspended in an oxygenated flow (or lungs are inverted gills filled with a reciprocal flow). |
| 23:31.18 | Shirik | what I really have a problem with is how do gills deal with varying pressure? |
| 23:31.39 | cog|work | they don't need to, imo |
| 23:31.43 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 23:31.45 | alestane | Since they're not filled with gas, pressure is a secondary concern at most. |
| 23:31.51 | Shirik | they're not? |
| 23:31.55 | cog|work | >< |
| 23:31.56 | Shirik | I thouht it extracts oxygen |
| 23:31.59 | cog|work | stop thinking air |
| 23:32.02 | NightHawkTheSane | are >.> |
| 23:32.02 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:32.05 | alestane | It does, but directly into the blood. |
| 23:32.06 | NightHawkTheSane | er.. -are |
| 23:32.10 | Shirik | I can't! I'm not a biologist! |
| 23:32.13 | Shirik | ok |
| 23:32.21 | NightHawkTheSane | gills extract o2 directly from the water, typically |
| 23:32.25 | alestane | The oxygen in your blood isn't bubbles, it's dissolved. |
| 23:32.28 | cog|work | it's chemistry, not biology |
| 23:32.31 | Shirik | ok I got it |
| 23:32.31 | cog|work | imo |
| 23:32.36 | cog|work | nub |
| 23:32.37 | cog|work | :P |
| 23:32.39 | Shirik | it doesn't become this "pool" of oxygen |
| 23:32.44 | Shirik | it goes straight into the blood |
| 23:32.46 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: biology > chemistry > physics > math, yes yes.. :P |
| 23:32.55 | Shirik | no |
| 23:32.55 | alestane | It goes from being dissolved in one fluid to being dissolved in another. |
| 23:32.56 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane |
| 23:33.04 | Shirik | biology > chemistry > physics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>math |
| 23:33.08 | Shirik | keep them separated |
| 23:33.17 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont care enough. |
| 23:33.21 | Shirik | I do |
| 23:33.38 | Aelo | physics > math > chemistry > biology imo :P |
| 23:33.41 | Shirik | http://xkcd.com/435/ |
| 23:33.54 | ScytheBlade1 | was waiting for that |
| 23:34.01 | NightHawkTheSane | that was indeed the reference |
| 23:34.05 | alestane | That's the thing. Math is only a "pure" science because we've abstracted it that way. |
| 23:34.34 | Shirik | Math is just applied language? |
| 23:34.59 | alestane | Math doesn't define physics, physics define physics. Maths are a model we use to manipulate our understanding of physics and other fields. |
| 23:35.31 | Ancu | Math is used to represent and prove what science claims |
| 23:35.39 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: yeah, arguably so, but that generally applies across that entire chain |
| 23:35.44 | alestane | Mathematics are the means by which we bring physics inside our minds. |
| 23:35.52 | NightHawkTheSane | phyisics is then used as the model to manipulate our understanding of chemistry |
| 23:35.57 | NightHawkTheSane | and so on |
| 23:36.23 | cog|work | yeah, but math is still there at each step, even when the lower levels are abstracted away |
| 23:38.56 | Ancu | Hell, O2 is a mathmatical formual to represent oxygen that we can utilize in our lungs |
| 23:39.02 | Shirik | omg I figured it out |
| 23:39.12 | NightHawkTheSane | what, how gills work? finally? :P |
| 23:39.17 | Shirik | math is just applied properties of life |
| 23:39.34 | Shirik | and properties of life are just applied sociology |
| 23:39.45 | KarlKFI|work | anyone got any idea if a SkipListMap is slower if the keys are inserted in order? or is that just TreeMaps? |
| 23:39.56 | cog|work | Shirik: no |
| 23:39.57 | Shirik | this is Java? |
| 23:40.03 | Ancu | -_- we just said that sor of thing like 10 rimes shirk |
| 23:40.13 | Shirik | But I completed the circle! |
| 23:40.16 | Shirik | You did not |
| 23:40.30 | Shirik | I am patenting my idea |
| 23:40.39 | Ancu | Sigh |
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| 23:41.52 | cog|work | patents Shirik and charges him royalties |
| 23:42.10 | Lopeppeppy_ | Rawr? |
| 23:42.15 | Shirik | trademarks cogwheel |
| 23:42.19 | cog|work | Hipeppeppy |
| 23:42.19 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy_ |
| 23:42.32 | Shirik | ... |
| 23:42.45 | Ancu | Schared him off shirik |
| 23:42.46 | cog|work | Shirik: good luck with that... http://www.cogwheel.com/ |
| 23:43.02 | Shirik | THEY STOLE MY TRADEMARK WTF |
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| 23:43.03 | Shirik | sue |
| 23:43.03 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 23:43.54 | Shirik | re-huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 23:44.00 | Lopeppeppy | If I were a drinking girl, I'd be getting rip-roaring drunk right now. |
| 23:44.03 | cog|work | Ancu: him? |
| 23:44.04 | Lopeppeppy | Right this very now. |
| 23:44.09 | Shirik | why Lopeppeppy :( |
| 23:44.13 | Lopeppeppy | is Extra Supreme Growly. |
| 23:44.14 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: is that site yours? |
| 23:44.17 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: no |
| 23:44.19 | Shirik | comforts Lopeppeppy |
| 23:44.20 | cog|work | cogwheel.info is |
| 23:44.21 | NightHawkTheSane | shame |
| 23:45.17 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik: left work, key wouldn't turn in the ignition. Guess the car needs to be looked at! But I have tons of doctors appointments tomorrow, all stacked up into one day on purpose! Best timing! Get home, and it's wicked cold in here. So I jack up the heat. Well, who needs working heat anyway, I ask? F. M. L. |
| 23:45.18 | Ancu | waves emphaticaly to Lopeppeppy. Still trying to earn Lopeppeppy rep.... |
| 23:45.41 | Shirik | You can come down here Lopeppeppy |
| 23:45.45 | Lopeppeppy | Come fix my car or my heat, Ancu, and I will love you forever. |
| 23:45.48 | Shirik | we have warm days and no need for cars |
| 23:46.04 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, promise? I will come up there right now |
| 23:46.34 | Fisker | how does one sleep Shirik ? |
| 23:46.52 | Lopeppeppy | I know, shirik... I promise! Luckily it's 50 degrees today, so the apartment is only down to 60, and tomorrow will be the same, so it won't get unbearably cold, just wicked stupid shiversome. |
| 23:46.53 | Shirik | I heard you can sleep with the fishes if you piss off the mob |
| 23:46.58 | Shirik | try doing that |
| 23:47.03 | Lopeppeppy | and tomorrow is Friday, best day to not be able to get the parts to fix shit! |
| 23:47.11 | Ancu | waves a wand. |
| 23:47.16 | Ancu | Is it fixed? |
| 23:47.47 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. I'm pinning my eternal love and hope on Shirik. |
| 23:47.59 | Shirik | o.o; |
| 23:48.00 | Ancu | \ |
| 23:48.03 | cog|work | no pressure |
| 23:48.12 | Fisker | sneezes Shirik in the face |
| 23:48.18 | Lopeppeppy | No pressure. :) |
| 23:48.25 | Ancu | LOL, you got a rep to live up to Shirik, even I dont want that...lol |
| 23:48.28 | Lopeppeppy | You could fix just one of three: cat, car, heat. |
| 23:48.40 | Lopeppeppy | You pick. I'm okay with any one of the three being off my plate. |
| 23:48.43 | Shirik | it's ok I would do anything for Lopeppeppy |
| 23:49.11 | Lopeppeppy | I seriously think that if shirik lived anywhere within reach, he'd bring me over a space heater or something. :) |
| 23:49.22 | Shirik | I would :) |
| 23:49.33 | Shirik | I will in fact be in PA in about a week so if you're still having problems... |
| 23:49.44 | cog|work | Fisker: lern2preposition |
| 23:49.57 | ScytheBlade1 | has a baseball bat |
| 23:50.05 | Ancu | If your not in franklin maine you cant expect anything from me...other then a virtual pat on the back |
| 23:50.40 | Ancu | pats Lopeppeppy on the back saying, "There, there, things will get better" |
| 23:51.11 | Fisker | wut cog|work ? |
| 23:51.52 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks Shirik, but I hope to have a few things fixed tomorrow! |
| 23:52.02 | Shirik | I hope so too :) |
| 23:52.14 | Shirik | and if not, you can always come down here |
| 23:52.14 | Ginji | fix the cat, as in nuder? |
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| 23:52.51 | cog|work | Fisker: sneeze is intransitive |
| 23:53.23 | Fisker | sneezes cog|work in the face |
| 23:53.26 | Fisker | oh yeah? |
| 23:53.26 | cog|work | you can sneeze in shirik's face, but you can't sneeze shirik in the face |
| 23:53.46 | Ginji | that's what she said? |
| 23:54.03 | Shirik | kinda like how you can't use "preposition" as an infinitive, cog|work? :) |
| 23:54.11 | Fisker | sneezes cog|work with chunks of meatballs in the face |
| 23:54.19 | cog|work | Shirik: exactly! |
| 23:54.41 | cog|work | wishes he had chunks of meatballs |
| 23:54.51 | cog|work | gogo grammatical ambiguity |
| 23:55.13 | cog|work | I choose to interpret your assault as Fisker sneezes (cog|work with chunks of meatballs) in the face |
| 23:55.57 | Ginji | or: Fisker sneezes (cog|work with chunks of meatballs in the face) |
| 23:56.22 | cog|work | even better, if false! |
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| 23:56.37 | Fisker | don't reset my connection bro |
| 23:57.05 | cog|work | to reset of connection fisker |
| 23:57.50 | Lopeppeppy | Ginji, fix the cat as in an injury we've been working on healing for the last few months. |
| 23:58.29 | Fisker | hey cog|work |
| 23:58.31 | Fisker | that gramma is suck |
| 23:58.38 | Ginji | Wait, Sir Noggin? |
| 23:59.08 | Ancu | pulls out shotgun and says "I can fix any issue with a cat" |
| 23:59.16 | Ginji | s/is/is teh/ |
