| 00:02.30 | cogwheel | basically syntactic sugar for calling an anonymous function in-place |
| 00:03.38 | alestane | In some ways, yes. |
| 00:03.50 | Wobin | haha, the admission that Arenas were the single biggest mistake in WoW =P |
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| 00:04.19 | Wobin | alestane, a lamda function type thing? |
| 00:04.53 | alestane | The effect would be much the same. |
| 00:05.23 | alestane | But it wouldn't create a function closure or upvalues...the expression's code would not be represented by a first-class value. |
| 00:05.32 | alestane | It would act more like a stack marker. |
| 00:07.17 | Shirik | It would be trivial to add |
| 00:07.39 | Shirik | it's just a matter of handling the stack properly |
| 00:07.59 | alestane | It seems to fit naturally, that's part of the reason I want it. |
| 00:08.51 | alestane | Ideally it would be "var = evaluate(exprList) --[[code]] end", where "..." would evaluate to exprList inside the block. |
| 00:09.18 | Shirik | is "exprlist" really necessary? |
| 00:09.20 | alestane | Or "varList = ", since the evaluate block could return more than one value. |
| 00:09.52 | alestane | It's not critical, but one of the reasons that I originally wished for it was the inability to modify "..." without a new function. |
| 00:10.09 | Shirik | but what's wrong with just using it inside the evaluate block? |
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| 00:10.41 | alestane | Well, you might want to iterate over a set a values that weren't obtained from a specific single list before. |
| 00:13.01 | Grum | if we're talking about lua features, would be nice to have a way to support autoexpanding multiple returnvalues from a function like in: { f(), f() }, if f returns 2 things then you only have 3 values now :( |
| 00:13.23 | Shirik | that is very difficult to do |
| 00:13.32 | Shirik | that is why Lua doesn't |
| 00:13.34 | alestane | That's much harder to support for a syntax perspective. |
| 00:13.39 | alestane | from* |
| 00:13.56 | Shirik | It's impossible to compile to a sensible form. It would have to compile to a complex set of opcodes which are better off being written explicitly |
| 00:14.09 | Grum | it does it for the last in the list, so why not give a construct to allow it for all without having to use a temporary table which requires lots of code and creates shitloads of garbage :) |
| 00:14.17 | Shirik | Because it's simple to do for the last in the list |
| 00:14.20 | Shirik | It's impossible to do for all items |
| 00:14.29 | Shirik | you HAVE to create that garbage |
| 00:14.30 | Shadowed | I like that it doesn't do that personally |
| 00:14.34 | Grum | its not, there are languages who do it :p |
| 00:14.39 | Grum | i'd like to have the option |
| 00:14.43 | Shirik | Sure, with completely different VM architectures |
| 00:14.49 | Grum | yeah true |
| 00:14.52 | Shirik | Lua's VM is incapable of handling that situation |
| 00:15.52 | alestane | So far, I've found that the only Python feature I miss in Lua is else blocks for loops. |
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| 00:16.14 | Grum | i miss proper regexes :( |
| 00:17.00 | cogwheel | so get a regex lib? :P |
| 00:17.11 | Shirik | an all-lua regex lib |
| 00:17.12 | zenzelezz | you wouldn't regex a car |
| 00:17.12 | Shirik | that'll be fun |
| 00:18.17 | cogwheel | compile regex to lua, then loadstring |
| 00:18.33 | Grum | well having grouped 'alternates' would be a huge improvement (ea: (bla|blup|ble)) |
| 00:18.58 | Grum | ofc it suddenly becomes mandatory to introduce the 'do not capture' (?:...) syntax ... so meh : |
| 00:19.56 | Shirik | I'd rather WoW add in lpeg |
| 00:20.01 | Shirik | than see regexes |
| 00:20.02 | Grum | btw, is there an easy way to get the FrameXML for every locale in existence? |
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| 00:20.37 | Grum | (other than getting the language kit for each (limits me to EU ones) and extracting it with the wow ui kit) |
| 00:20.38 | Shadowed | whore yourself out to some non-US people? :p |
| 00:20.41 | alestane | I think the only part of FrameXML that's supposed to vary significantly is GlobalStrings.lua. |
| 00:20.42 | cogwheel | CHH chh chh chh.... AHH ahh ahh ahh |
| 00:20.52 | Grum | alestane: aye, i need that one O.o |
| 00:21.21 | cogwheel | aren't some of the foreign globalstrings up on curse? |
| 00:21.31 | Grum | oh, are they? :D |
| 00:21.48 | cogwheel | i know deDE was at one point, but that was years ago |
| 00:21.51 | alestane | Could be...I was just going to say that the repositories I know only host the enUS files AFAIK. |
| 00:21.52 | Shadowed | I think those are pretty old |
| 00:22.49 | Grum | well i got enGB/deDE but its quite the download to get the other language packs (timewise, not as much sizewise) |
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| 00:24.10 | Grum | http://github.com/tekkub/wow-globalstrings oh! |
| 00:27.27 | Ginji | Bah! Why won't klipper automagically popup! |
| 00:27.44 | klip | :) |
| 00:27.49 | Grum | KDE's klipper? ;) |
| 00:27.51 | NightHawkTheSane | this is an interesting article: http://www.facebook.com/ical/u.php?uid=100000396911971&key=01932182c1 |
| 00:27.56 | NightHawkTheSane | ... not that link. goddamit. |
| 00:28.04 | Ginji | yes Grum |
| 00:28.23 | Grum | Ginji: prolly because you didnt select anything? :D |
| 00:28.28 | Ginji | No I did |
| 00:28.29 | Grum | (erm copy even) |
| 00:28.41 | Ginji | Because if I hit CTRL-ALT-R it works just fine |
| 00:28.46 | NightHawkTheSane | THIS LINK: http://labs.timesonline.co.uk/blog/2009/11/12/do-music-artists-do-better-in-a-world-with-illegal-file-sharing/ |
| 00:28.49 | Grum | Win-X! |
| 00:29.05 | Ginji | Huh? |
| 00:29.06 | alestane | Shirik: Just to complete what we were saying earlier, my notion was that if you called a block as "evaluate(5, 'a', false) --[[code]] end", then within the evaluate scope, ... would evaluate to 5, 'a', false. You're right that there's no purpose to giving them named arguments, that would make them functions. |
| 00:29.09 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, moray eels! |
| 00:29.48 | Shirik | I'm just not sure of the value of that over just writing it in the block directly |
| 00:30.06 | Grum | Ginji: Win+X is more comfy compared to CTRL-ALT-R =D |
| 00:30.29 | Ginji | But then I'd have to override the default shortcut :P |
| 00:31.14 | Grum | quickly done from the options? and does win-x have something by default? cant remember =D |
| 00:31.29 | Grum | wtb klipper-tool for windows :( |
| 00:31.56 | Ginji | uhuh |
| 00:32.17 | Grum | not to talk about a mac, meh that is horrible to find (apparently the windows one is: http://www.bluemars.org/clipx/ ) |
| 00:32.32 | alestane | Shirik: Mostly in the fact that you can recombine things from different sources into varargs. |
| 00:33.06 | Ginji | And why the hell did wine intergrate itself in kde! Why would I want to use notepad! |
| 00:33.17 | Shirik | rofl |
| 00:33.23 | Ginji | Or winebrowser for that matter |
| 00:34.56 | Ginji | This is so messed up |
| 00:36.48 | Grum | mmm how bad would it be to change globals set from GlobalStrings.lua, some things are just easier replaced there than hooking all kinds of stuff |
| 00:37.28 | Shirik | generally extremely bad |
| 00:37.47 | Shirik | unless your objective is to taint the entire UI |
| 00:38.40 | Grum | mmmm, i was pondering on overwriting things like: CHAT_GUILD_SEND = "Guild:\32"; |
| 00:39.04 | Grum | to be short and non-ridiculous like: "[G]: " orso |
| 00:39.54 | Grum | oh, would also be really nice if ChatFrame could get AddFormattedMessage .. :p |
| 00:41.26 | Grum | Shirik: so that would cause taint? i'd be better of hooking _G[editbox.."Header"].SetFormattedText? .. still easily done i guess, or maybe just ChatEdit_UpdateHeader |
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| 00:41.47 | Shirik | I can't say it WOULD cause taint |
| 00:41.56 | Shirik | however it's probably an extremely easy way to do so |
| 00:42.01 | Grum | it *could* cause? |
| 00:42.08 | Shirik | could easily cause |
| 00:42.26 | Grum | better to avoid then to run into future crap i'd say then =D |
| 00:43.48 | Grum | is there any easy way to 'trigger' all the events a chatframe handles? to see if my code formats correct? |
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| 00:46.16 | Sylvir | O.o |
| 00:46.20 | Sylvir | Holy lots of people batman. |
| 00:47.34 | Sylvir | nudges the empty channel, and listens to echos of said nudge throughout the wasteland called 'WowUIDev' |
| 00:47.40 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Sylvir |
| 00:47.40 | purl | hereby declares Sylvir a troll |
| 00:47.48 | Sylvir | Pfft. |
| 00:48.00 | Sylvir | Hai thar :D |
| 00:48.08 | Sylvir | How is everyone? |
| 00:48.29 | Thunder_Child | human |
| 00:48.32 | Grum | clearly idling =D |
| 00:49.11 | Sylvir | Im going to kill my shared media |
| 00:49.28 | Sylvir | for some stupid reason, it wont let me load custom textures :( |
| 00:50.08 | Ginji | Grum: isn't there some wow api emulator out there somewhere? |
| 00:50.51 | Grum | Ginji: mmm that would be nice yeah |
| 00:50.57 | Grum | i need all chat-events O.o |
| 00:50.59 | Grum | quite some of em :D |
| 00:51.15 | Grum | some i dont even know how to attain, like CHAT_MSG_MONSTER_WHISPER O.o |
| 00:51.15 | Ginji | I recall hearing about it some time ago |
| 00:52.02 | Grum | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWBench |
| 00:53.15 | Grum | that still requires me to know the parameters of the event myself so it appears, maybe it has some kind of test-script |
| 00:53.18 | Sylvir | Someone halp :( |
| 00:54.40 | Shirik | Sylvir: Did you make the textures yourself? |
| 00:54.45 | Sylvir | Nah. |
| 00:54.50 | Shirik | who made them? |
| 00:54.57 | Sylvir | one sec :P |
| 00:55.20 | Grum | Sylvir: you did obviously quit wow completely and started it again? :) |
| 00:56.05 | Sylvir | Yus. |
| 00:56.08 | Sylvir | I is not stoopid :P |
| 00:56.19 | Grum | just covering the basics :D |
| 00:56.23 | Sylvir | I know basic lua, but this is bothering the death out of me |
| 00:56.38 | Sylvir | which...read literally is probabely a good thing, considering death is usually bad |
| 00:57.00 | Sylvir | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14272-OhisTexturePackforSharedMedia.html |
| 00:57.02 | Sylvir | There we go. |
| 00:57.39 | Sylvir | If anyone was following my Borderlands project, this follows the same issue as that. |
| 00:57.47 | Sylvir | the 'minor problem with the unit frames' |
| 00:57.59 | Ginji | ooehh borderlands |
| 00:58.05 | Ginji | you can customize that? |
| 00:58.17 | Grum | url for project? curious now :D |
| 00:58.29 | Shirik | cog|away |
| 00:58.35 | Shirik | do you have a record for longest warning message? |
| 00:58.49 | Sylvir | Uno momento porfavor |
| 00:59.13 | Sylvir | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28232 |
| 00:59.14 | Sylvir | and |
| 00:59.27 | Sylvir | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28393 |
| 00:59.34 | Sylvir | man do i chainpost. |
| 00:59.58 | Sylvir | im trying to get a UI started before I order my new laptop o.o |
| 01:00.52 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/128597 |
| 01:00.57 | Shirik | I especially like the typename on line 29 |
| 01:01.13 | Grum | WTF =D |
| 01:01.22 | Sylvir | Lol |
| 01:01.34 | Grum | Java, the king of bloat :p |
| 01:01.51 | Grum | sadly not even java! :"( |
| 01:02.13 | Sylvir | Sooo... |
| 01:02.16 | Grum | reading that takes skill :D |
| 01:02.20 | Sylvir | anyone wanna help me with my shared media fail? |
| 01:02.37 | Grum | Sylvir: could it be that the module uses a version of ShareMedia which is old and outdated and not available on your system? |
| 01:02.53 | Sylvir | wow... |
| 01:02.54 | Sylvir | failure. |
| 01:02.55 | Sylvir | nah |
| 01:03.00 | Sylvir | i forgot to enable shared media |
| 01:03.11 | Grum | hehe same effect =D |
| 01:03.24 | Sylvir | Man i feel idiotic |
| 01:03.40 | Grum | its less 'horrible' than forgetting to restart wow :D |
| 01:04.49 | Sylvir | Well, I scrolled through my 'Addons' options and it hated me. |
| 01:04.53 | Sylvir | I didn't even see it. |
| 01:05.03 | Sylvir | I enabled every single addon around it too. |
| 01:06.00 | Sylvir | Anyone know any addons that'll give the edges of my screen a glow? |
| 01:06.07 | Sylvir | class color customized |
| 01:07.12 | Thunder_Child | didnt blizz only put in 2 colors? |
| 01:07.21 | Sylvir | hmsaywha? |
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| 01:07.55 | Thunder_Child | blizz stuck in a edges of the screen flashing mechanic |
| 01:07.58 | Lopeppeppy | I've seen an addon that did something glowy... rawr, can't remember. |
| 01:07.59 | Thunder_Child | in blue and red |
| 01:08.16 | Sylvir | nah im not saying that |
| 01:08.19 | Sylvir | I want it to be ambiant |
| 01:08.28 | Sylvir | and i saw it too, i cant remember the name |
| 01:08.31 | Lopeppeppy | It was, it was UI artwork |
| 01:08.38 | Sylvir | orly? |
| 01:08.58 | Sylvir | I looked up ui art |
| 01:09.00 | Sylvir | no results |
| 01:09.05 | Thunder_Child | and either big wigs or dbm uses that mechanic |
| 01:09.13 | Thunder_Child | in some form or another |
| 01:09.38 | Sylvir | Thats not what im looking for though |
| 01:09.41 | Lopeppeppy | It was UI artwork in some compilation or another, to be more clear, if I'm remembering correctly. |
| 01:09.41 | Sylvir | it shouldn't flash |
| 01:10.34 | Thunder_Child | so a static image? |
| 01:10.43 | Sylvir | yus |
| 01:10.48 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. |
| 01:10.59 | Sylvir | ^What he said^ |
| 01:11.21 | Thunder_Child | so just take one of the art addons and create a full screen clickthrough image |
| 01:11.21 | Lopeppeppy | My memory says it came in different colors. And it would be on WoW Interface, because the links to the Curse things haven't worked from my RSS for a while now. |
| 01:12.28 | Sylvir | thunder, any recommendations |
| 01:12.32 | Sylvir | i spelled that horridly |
| 01:12.40 | Sylvir | I hate my language -_- |
| 01:12.49 | Sylvir | english deserves to die |
| 01:13.04 | Sylvir | germans more logical, spanish is faster, and french is a combination of the two |
| 01:13.37 | Thunder_Child | Sylvir, http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/kg-panels.aspx maybe |
| 01:13.51 | Grum | afaik the image blizzard uses is just an alpha map colored by vectorcolor, so you can just make it whatever color you want |
| 01:14.08 | Lopeppeppy | kgpanels is quite popular for making your own UI art. |
| 01:14.38 | Grum | yup, its 'the' addon |
| 01:15.23 | Sylvir | Hm |
| 01:15.28 | Sylvir | probabley not a bad idea |
| 01:15.37 | Sylvir | i'll get around to it, right now i'm working on the action bars |
| 01:15.38 | Grum | just eases the positioning |
| 01:15.54 | Sylvir | using Gump's btex skins and basing a UI entirely on the theme i found |
| 01:16.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I has a droid |
| 01:16.28 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|away: plz2recommend ssh client |
| 01:16.34 | Grum | putty ? |
| 01:16.40 | ScytheBlade1 | for the droid |
| 01:16.44 | Grum | oh o.O |
| 01:16.49 | Sylvir | o.o |
| 01:17.12 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: i like ConnectBot |
| 01:18.19 | NeoTron | I really don't like how Bibi- puts streams rights on the news feed. slow to load and sometimes makes my firefox die for some reason |
| 01:20.10 | Thunder_Child | how or why? |
| 01:20.23 | Thunder_Child | oh..nvm me |
| 01:36.38 | Sylvir | hm |
| 01:36.52 | Sylvir | rargh |
| 01:43.47 | alestane | So I'm looking at this thread here: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20861003970&sid=1 |
| 01:45.02 | Sylvir | Alienware M15X or M17X for WoW. I'm ordering tomorrow. |
| 01:45.15 | Lopeppeppy | He lost me at "automation". |
| 01:45.48 | alestane | And I composed this reply, and while it does it's best to be polite, I can't decide whether it offers anything constructive, or whether I'm better off relying on "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all." |
| 01:45.53 | alestane | its* |
| 01:46.33 | alestane | Since it boils down to "It sounds like you think the game is too hard for you, and want the gameplay structure in a way you find easier." |
| 01:47.10 | Sylvir | Roll a pally. |
| 01:47.28 | Lopeppeppy | I get a server error, or I'd be replying already. |
| 01:47.40 | Sylvir | Gais. |
| 01:47.42 | Sylvir | I need halp. |
| 01:47.48 | Cide | no you don't |
| 01:47.53 | Sylvir | Should i splurge on the Alienware M17X or go with the M15X |
| 01:47.54 | Sylvir | yus i does. |
| 01:47.55 | Sylvir | :( |
| 01:47.55 | Cide | my $1000 laptop runs wow just fine |
| 01:48.00 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 01:48.01 | Sylvir | Yeah |
| 01:48.02 | Sylvir | but |
| 01:48.09 | Cide | you just want to boast about your soon-to-be awesome laptop |
| 01:48.11 | Sylvir | Does it run it at full gfx settings? |
| 01:48.12 | Cide | grow up |
| 01:48.13 | Sylvir | True. |
| 01:48.20 | Sylvir | I have rights too >< |
| 01:48.25 | Cide | no you don't |
| 01:48.26 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, cheaper systems run at full settings. |
| 01:48.31 | Lopeppeppy | Get whatever makes you happiest. |
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| 01:48.36 | Sylvir | At a good framerate? |
| 01:48.39 | Thunder_Child | hires a company to remove the stick from Cide's ass |
| 01:48.42 | Sylvir | If so...what should I look for? |
| 01:48.50 | Lopeppeppy | Whatever makes you happy. |
| 01:48.51 | Cide | a desktop computer |
| 01:48.53 | Sylvir | @Cide: I didn't mean to offend. |
| 01:48.54 | Sylvir | ... |
| 01:48.59 | Sylvir | Orly? |
| 01:49.02 | Sylvir | Is that so? |
| 01:49.02 | Cide | yes. |
| 01:49.03 | Lopeppeppy | You've already narrowed it down to two, choose. |
| 01:49.13 | Lopeppeppy | Desktops do seem happier than laptops, but YMMV on that. |
| 01:49.22 | Cide | both will run wow on highest settings easily |
| 01:49.23 | Sylvir | Your generalizing it to...my Desktop, which has the INTEL CHIPSET video card, and cant run WoW unless every slider is at low |
| 01:49.32 | Cide | a desktop computer |
| 01:49.33 | Shirik | my laptop is running WoW with 60 fps while compiling Qt |
| 01:49.35 | Cide | not your desktop computer |
| 01:49.41 | Cide | but definitely my desktop computer |
| 01:49.45 | Sylvir | Cide |
| 01:49.50 | Sylvir | im not asking about a desktop |
| 01:49.54 | Cide | I'm aware |
| 01:50.00 | Sylvir | Then... |
| 01:50.05 | Lopeppeppy | So choose between your two laptops. |
| 01:50.07 | Sylvir | It seems illogical to throw in irrelevant input. |
| 01:50.09 | Sylvir | well |
| 01:50.12 | Sylvir | Are there any better choices? |
| 01:50.12 | Cide | but if you're so scared of having poor framerates in wow that you want to buy an alienware laptop, get a desktop for half the price instead |
| 01:50.20 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, a desktop. |
| 01:50.22 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 01:50.24 | Sylvir | Facepalm. |
| 01:50.27 | Cide | so the choice is yours |
| 01:50.28 | Sylvir | Any better LAPTOP choices :P |
| 01:50.32 | Cide | either will run wow perfectly well |
| 01:50.32 | Shirik | you can get a laptop with equal specs |
| 01:50.34 | Shirik | not from alienware |
| 01:50.38 | Shirik | for half the price |
| 01:50.41 | Cide | ^ |
| 01:50.41 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: I got a server error earlier this week, had to clear my cookies. |
| 01:50.45 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sure there are. go do your own research, we're not gonna do it for you. :) |
| 01:50.51 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, I shouldn't have cookies, I never use IE. |
| 01:51.00 | Shirik | bakes cookies for Lopeppeppy |
| 01:51.01 | Sylvir | Yeah, but generally throwing out the question gets some feedback that I might not find. |
| 01:51.05 | Sylvir | Precautionary method. |
| 01:51.05 | alestane | I had to clear Firefox's cookies. |
| 01:51.14 | Cide | hence my conclusion that if you have narrowed it down to two alienware laptops all you want to do is tell everyone you're ordering one rather than really looking for feedback |
| 01:51.25 | Iriel | Never buy an alienware laptop |
| 01:51.36 | Sylvir | whys that? |
| 01:51.39 | Iriel | They pack so much stuff into them they're unusably unreliable |
| 01:51.48 | Lopeppeppy | alienware is paying overprice for the same stuff you get in other systems, just for OMG flashy |
| 01:51.48 | Shirik | and unbuyable |
| 01:51.49 | Iriel | They overheat, they're heavy, they're glitchy |
| 01:51.51 | Sylvir | So...alternative company? |
| 01:51.58 | Iriel | Apple? 8-) |
| 01:52.00 | Iriel | Dell? |
| 01:52.02 | Sylvir | EWW |
| 01:52.05 | Lopeppeppy | Compaq. |
| 01:52.08 | Sylvir | This is where i'm going. |
| 01:52.09 | Cide | any high-end laptop from any regular laptop manufacturer will do |
| 01:52.09 | Iriel | Lenovo? |
| 01:52.16 | Cide | asus, lenovo, apple, dell, acer? |
| 01:52.28 | Sylvir | What kind of laptops from dell and whatnot are people using |
| 01:52.34 | alestane | My friend was happy enough with his when he bought it, but in the last several months he has become very dissatisfied with it; he cannot order a replacement battery or power adapter from any source he has been able to identify, including ALienware themselves. |
| 01:52.37 | Sylvir | I'd love to buy one straight off the bestbuy shelf. |
| 01:52.43 | Cide | (strongly recommend against acer based on experiences with pre-installed software) |
| 01:53.09 | KarlKFI | why would you want to buy one from bestbuy? |
| 01:53.13 | alestane | My wife uses a Dell and is fairly well satisfied with it, although it was work's choice and not hers. |
| 01:53.26 | Sylvir | Only computer manufacterer in my peice of crap redneck town. |
| 01:53.33 | Sylvir | >< |
| 01:53.35 | KarlKFI | not that best buy is bad for computers⦠i've heard of decent desktops there |
| 01:53.47 | KarlKFI | they dont manufacture anything tho, do they |
| 01:53.48 | Sylvir | Decent Desktops ftl |
| 01:54.04 | Sylvir | Here's my prediciment. |
| 01:54.09 | Shirik | Wow, this is sad |
| 01:54.12 | Cide | well shipping a laptop is hardly expensive and if you're willing to pay for an alienware surely shipping costs aren't an issue |
| 01:54.14 | Sylvir | I want somthing I can have in my room, without dragging a tower into my room. |
| 01:54.22 | Shirik | a friend just called me and was like "Hey can you fix my code? I'm getting this error" |
| 01:54.23 | Sylvir | Blah. |
| 01:54.28 | Shirik | She quoted me the error and explained the line it was on |
| 01:54.35 | Shirik | in 30 seconds I figured out the solution |
| 01:54.40 | Sylvir | Everyone name off their favorite WoW laptops. GO! |
| 01:54.42 | Sylvir | :P |
| 01:54.43 | Shirik | without looking at the code at all |
| 01:54.46 | Cide | Shirik: expected ';', line 30? |
| 01:54.46 | KarlKFI | yeah, shirk. i get that from a coworker who really shouldnt be coding.. |
| 01:54.50 | Shirik | no |
| 01:54.58 | Iriel | sylvir: 17" MacBookPro |
| 01:54.59 | Shirik | 'Illegal left-hand side of non-blocking assign' |
| 01:55.09 | Shirik | and the answer was 'sound is not a register' (the error was about 100 lines up) |
| 01:55.17 | KarlKFI | MAcBookPro is a good machine. my gf just got her new 13" |
| 01:55.30 | Cide | 15.8" asus pro50sr |
| 01:55.30 | KarlKFI | tho i'd recommend a 17" for gaming |
| 01:55.31 | Shirik | "output sound" needed to be "output reg sound" |
| 01:55.39 | Sylvir | 17'' is important for me |
| 01:55.47 | Sylvir | " rather |
| 01:55.50 | Cide | 17" asus xxx |
| 01:56.04 | Sylvir | Does it run things well? any known software issues? |
| 01:56.12 | Sylvir | anything i should be aware of? |
| 01:56.38 | KarlKFI | does what run well, we jsut gave you a bunch of options.. |
| 01:56.39 | Sylvir | 17" macBook pro is a little pricey |
| 01:56.43 | KarlKFI | google is for reviews |
| 01:56.58 | KarlKFI | you're comign from alienware saying a mac is pricy? |
| 01:56.59 | Iriel | Well, it runs OSX, so if you want to play windows games you'd need to dual boot with windows, which is annoying |
| 01:57.01 | Lopeppeppy | nibbles Shirik's cookies! |
| 01:57.13 | Shirik | :) |
| 01:57.23 | KarlKFI | or just run windows on it⦠of course that means you need to buy windows extra |
| 01:57.29 | Sylvir | @ karl, The Alienware I was looking at was 1,850 |
| 01:57.30 | Cide | macbook pro's are a bit on the expensive side for their components aren't they? |
| 01:57.30 | Shirik | I thought you rejected my cookie |
| 01:57.33 | Iriel | Perhaps you should give us a rough idea of your budget |
| 01:57.37 | Sylvir | and it was a little better than a macbook pro |
| 01:57.38 | Cide | I'm not very well versed with the specs though |
| 01:57.43 | Sylvir | im budgeting at 1800 |
| 01:57.47 | Sylvir | give or take 200 |
| 01:57.54 | Iriel | The dell Studio XPS's are in the $1000-$1700 range (before tax and shipping and stuff, of course) |
| 01:57.54 | Iriel | http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/notebooks/laptop-studio-xps-16/pd.aspx?refid=laptop-studio-xps-16&s=dhs&cs=19 |
| 01:57.58 | Shirik | Sylvir, let me correct iriel's statement |
| 01:58.00 | Lopeppeppy | When did I reject your cookies? |
| 01:58.04 | Shirik | (20:56:39) (@Iriel) Well, it runs OSX, so if you want to play windows games you'd need to dual boot with windows, which is annoying |
| 01:58.11 | Shirik | s/play windows games/do anything productive/ |
| 01:58.17 | KarlKFI | if i were gonna get a laptop i'd get a macbookpro, but i'm a desktop kinda guy |
| 01:58.32 | Iriel | Shirik: My entire work toolset worked, out of the box, on my mac |
| 01:58.34 | Cide | if i were gonna get a laptop i'd get a desktop |
| 01:58.43 | KarlKFI | ^^ |
| 01:58.47 | Shirik | I need a laptop to do work |
| 01:59.00 | Iriel | I also would go desktop, but then I have a laptop for work as well |
| 01:59.09 | KarlKFI | i was thinking about getting another 30" that'd make me more productive, right? |
| 01:59.16 | Iriel | I have the advantage that "my room" is the whole house so I go to the machine, rather than bring the machine to me |
| 01:59.23 | Iriel | KarlKFI: I think you should get 2 more, and send one to me |
| 01:59.26 | Iriel | KarlKFI: 8-) |
| 01:59.37 | Lopeppeppy | I have a very small apartment, I have to do some re-arranging again, soon as Rosie is out of her kennel. |
| 01:59.38 | KarlKFI | :P |
| 01:59.51 | Cide | KarlKFI: you have one or two? |
| 01:59.55 | Cide | oh, one |
| 01:59.56 | Cide | thank god |
| 02:00.02 | KarlKFI | 30" +20" atm :P |
| 02:00.02 | Sylvir | I like this XPS |
| 02:00.09 | Sylvir | But the screen is a little small for my taste |
| 02:00.22 | Sylvir | buuut its bigger than my desktop...still |
| 02:00.32 | Sylvir | Desktop is 1024x768... :( |
| 02:00.44 | Iriel | You could also get an external monitor for gaming 8-) |
| 02:01.06 | Lopeppeppy | Or just a new desktop monitor |
| 02:01.06 | Iriel | I picked up a 24" Samsung from dell for about $200 (it was a special offer, but still) |
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| 02:02.06 | KarlKFI | the only reasons you might not want a mac laptop would be: have to pay extra for windows, no built-in remote, no bluray |
| 02:02.13 | Sylvir | hm |
| 02:02.24 | Sylvir | does the XPS support the hdmi cable |
| 02:02.31 | Sylvir | thingey? |
| 02:02.45 | KarlKFI | look it up |
| 02:02.47 | Sylvir | 'cause I could get a nice long hdmi cable, and hook it up to my 46 inch in my room |
| 02:02.50 | Sylvir | im looking it up |
| 02:02.52 | Sylvir | and i dont see it -_- |
| 02:03.06 | KarlKFI | !google dell xps hdmi |
| 02:03.07 | batbot | KarlKFI: YouTube - Dell XPS M1530 Review #2 - HDMI Discussion <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xHoZSPFS88> |
| 02:03.30 | KarlKFI | sounds liek a yes |
| 02:03.43 | Iriel | Dont they have DVI -> HDMI adapters or somesuch? |
| 02:03.43 | KarlKFI | but it has sound issues |
| 02:03.56 | KarlKFI | maybe |
| 02:04.01 | Sylvir | ATI Mobility RADEON® HD 4670 1GB good video card? |
| 02:04.04 | KarlKFI | but your HD tv might just have dvi in... |
| 02:04.10 | Sylvir | I can check |
| 02:04.43 | KarlKFI | hdmi is technically a better shandard than dvi |
| 02:04.54 | KarlKFI | but it's not on all compies |
| 02:06.18 | Iriel | KarlKFI: HDMI's leading inadequacy is that a good 50% of my gear doesn't support it as an input 8-) |
| 02:06.25 | KarlKFI | right |
| 02:06.33 | Iriel | Until they resolve that, it's not in my good books |
| 02:06.38 | KarlKFI | otherwise it's a retty good standard going forward |
| 02:07.16 | Sylvir | the alienware i picked out is still cheaper than this xps |
| 02:07.28 | Lopeppeppy | You know, if I don't get laid off and do decide to buy a TV, I'm going to have tons of research to do, I see. :) Finding one that will take laptop input for gaming! |
| 02:07.43 | Iriel | Then buy the Alienware, but dont come crying to us when you hate it |
| 02:07.46 | Iriel | grins. |
| 02:07.49 | KarlKFI | :P |
| 02:07.51 | Sylvir | T_T |
| 02:08.00 | Cide | and don't start crying already! |
| 02:08.09 | KarlKFI | if you don't know better you'll prolly be fine with it |
| 02:08.11 | Sylvir | All i need it for is EPIC world of warcraft gaming and school work |
| 02:08.32 | Lopeppeppy | Then I guess it should do okay with the school work, if it's just word processing. |
| 02:09.12 | Sylvir | powerpoint aswell, though..if it runs WoW good, then it shouldnt have a problem with powerpoint lmao |
| 02:09.16 | Iriel | http://www.dell.com/us/en/home/notebooks/studio-1747/pd.aspx?refid=studio-1747&s=dhs&cs=19 |
| 02:09.21 | Iriel | What about that, it's cheaper |
| 02:10.51 | Sylvir | Hm |
| 02:10.56 | Sylvir | messing with it |
| 02:11.46 | Iriel | (Note: I have no association with dell beyond being an occasional customer, and haven't owned a dell laptop in several years - but I see them (dell laptops) EVERYWHERE and the owners dont look like they want to cry) |
| 02:11.58 | KarlKFI | lol |
| 02:12.07 | KarlKFI | they're not terrible |
| 02:12.19 | ZorbaTHut | grr, I hate it when the game behaves differently on reloadui |
| 02:14.03 | Lopeppeppy | My current baby is a compaq, goes forward and backward quite nicely, not demon possessed. |
| 02:15.00 | Iriel | I remember when a black and white weighs-a-ton compaq laptop was the bomb. |
| 02:15.02 | Seerah | alestane & Lopeppeppy: I think that poster is handicapped and used cast sequence macros to be able to actually play the game to a decent level. While I don't disagree with the cast sequence changes, I think you're being a bit harsh. Maybe you read over that part though - he put it quite subtly... |
| 02:15.24 | Sylvir | YES! |
| 02:15.27 | Sylvir | same screen size |
| 02:15.31 | Sylvir | 300 dollars cheaper |
| 02:15.33 | Sylvir | FTW |
| 02:15.41 | Sylvir | I love you iriel |
| 02:15.43 | alestane | Seerah: I did read the bit about his "physical & mental capabilities," yes. |
| 02:15.57 | alestane | My first draft was longer and less constructive. |
| 02:16.37 | alestane | They didn't specify what their particular obstacle is, and it wouldn't be polite to press them for details. |
| 02:18.22 | Seerah | I guess the thread just reminded me of a post in the past by someone who was paralyzed and played by pressing buttons using a stick in his mouth |
| 02:18.43 | alestane | I've seen those posts before, and replied to some of them. |
| 02:19.18 | alestane | I've seen discussions of alternate input devices and if people can state a specific difficulty, I'm happy to do my best to recommend alternatives. |
| 02:19.50 | Seerah | *nod* :) |
| 02:20.07 | KarlKFI | heh, customized my own from that page if i were gonna buy a desktop replacement and came up with a $2004 laptop |
| 02:20.21 | Lopeppeppy | Do you think so, Seerah? I'll re-read and see if I see what you see. |
| 02:20.23 | alestane | But selecting from among a choice of abilities is one of the foundations of WoW gameplay. It's one thing to request a different mechanism for making the choice, and another thing to request that the choice be removed. |
| 02:20.41 | KarlKFI | then again i got the 1080p screen and bluray burner... |
| 02:20.44 | KarlKFI | and windows pro |
| 02:20.58 | KarlKFI | "got" as in configured |
| 02:21.06 | Sylvir | O.o |
| 02:21.08 | Sylvir | I got |
| 02:21.17 | Sylvir | Windows 7 Home Edition and the 1080P screen |
| 02:21.26 | Sylvir | didn't really change much unless I knew it'd directly increase gameplay lol |
| 02:21.29 | Seerah | Lopeppeppy: maybe "harsh" was a poor choice of words, but... Impression was that you stopped reading at the word "automated" and missed the handicapped bit :) |
| 02:21.38 | KarlKFI | "YouTube announced that within the next few days it will start offering full 1080P HD streams" |
| 02:21.53 | Seerah | like I said - I don't disagree with the changes, nor that his discussion belongs in the other thread. :) Maybe I'm just sensitive tonight :p |
| 02:21.58 | KarlKFI | i wouldn't ever buy windows home |
| 02:22.05 | KarlKFI | Pro ftw |
| 02:22.19 | Lopeppeppy | Sensitive is good! |
| 02:22.21 | KarlKFI | but then if you don't know the difference, you may not care. |
| 02:22.26 | Lopeppeppy | Slouken's addon.. that was MovePad, yes? |
| 02:22.30 | KarlKFI | yes |
| 02:22.33 | alestane | Yes. |
| 02:22.37 | Sylvir | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.46 | Sylvir | It's not going to affect my WoW |
| 02:22.51 | alestane | Created specifically to prevent physical difficulties from impairing certain peoples' play ability. |
| 02:22.54 | Sylvir | or my School Work |
| 02:22.55 | Sylvir | so idc |
| 02:23.01 | KarlKFI | have at it then |
| 02:23.27 | Seerah | yep. MovePad was recommended to the paraplegic playing with the stick |
| 02:24.03 | Seerah | *err... not paraplegic, since he was neck down... anyway... :P |
| 02:24.24 | KarlKFI | i thought it was a guy with only 2 fingers.. |
| 02:25.34 | Seerah | KarlKFI: it's been recommended to quite a few people :) |
| 02:26.22 | Lopeppeppy | Anyway, I edited mine! |
| 02:26.55 | alestane | He's also made a response. I'm stepping out for the moment, might come back to it once I get where I'm going. |
| 02:27.24 | alestane | I may not be able to help him constructively without more details of his particular challenges than "his limitations." |
| 02:28.01 | theorbtwo | Somebody with movement in none of their limbs is quadraplegic, BTW. |
| 02:29.26 | Seerah | thank you, theorbtwo - that's the word I was looking for :) |
| 02:31.00 | Seerah | huggles Lopeppeppy :) |
| 02:31.09 | Lopeppeppy | I did better-er? |
| 02:31.56 | Seerah | yep :) |
| 02:32.20 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks for pointing out what we missed, Seerah. He was very subtle and sneakyful, must be a rogue! |
| 02:32.30 | Lopeppeppy | And I admit, I'm sick and overtired too. |
| 02:32.36 | Seerah | *nod* |
| 02:32.55 | Seerah | I just didn't want them to feel like they were getting their head bit off by greens due to their subtlety... |
| 02:33.11 | Seerah | especially not after Twyll's reply |
| 02:33.23 | Adys | I need some help |
| 02:33.28 | zenzelezz | we know |
| 02:33.38 | Adys | how much average attack power does an ulduar/toc geared rogue has? |
| 02:33.48 | Adys | s/as/ave/ |
| 02:33.56 | Lopeppeppy | dinos bite. Bad dinos |
| 02:34.32 | Seerah | little nibbles are okay - but decapitation only when necessary :) |
| 02:35.01 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr, peppy is fired, slouken's gonna come beat me. |
| 02:35.24 | Seerah | no, no! not fired! :) |
| 02:35.47 | Seerah | just poked with a stick ;) |
| 02:35.54 | Seerah | whipped with a wet noodle |
| 02:36.01 | Seerah | tickled with a feather |
| 02:38.21 | alestane | I've also attempted to clarify my position. |
| 02:39.51 | Seerah | huggles alestane, too |
| 02:40.33 | robotusch | D:< |
| 02:41.01 | robotusch | throws kittens at Seerah |
| 02:41.10 | Seerah | kitties!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 02:41.17 | robotusch | :3 |
| 02:41.25 | Seerah | :D |
| 02:41.35 | Seerah | huggles robotusch |
| 02:41.42 | robotusch | And on account of it being Caturday, I must link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5-D0f6nHSQ |
| 02:43.22 | Ginji | Well, there goes amarok, it's still playing but the GUI is unresponsive |
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| 02:46.34 | Ginji | Thank god for multicores |
| 02:48.32 | Lopeppeppy | Murlocs! GRlllllmrlglllllll mrrrgllllllll mrlllllgggglglgl!! |
| 02:48.52 | Ginji | I prefer sand-gnomes |
| 02:49.46 | DWSR | bad threat = blame tanks, yes? |
| 02:50.01 | Lopeppeppy | No. |
| 02:50.07 | DWSR | You fail. |
| 02:50.08 | DWSR | Bad threat. |
| 02:50.11 | DWSR | Not "DPS dying" |
| 02:50.20 | Lopeppeppy | No. |
| 02:50.41 | Lopeppeppy | You do not clarify what bad threat actually is, so I refuse to knee-jerk blame anyone. |
| 02:51.31 | DWSR | bad threat is bad threat i.e. low amounts of TPS being generated by the mob's tank. |
| 02:52.03 | Lopeppeppy | Then yes, if the tank is not generating enough threat, find out why. |
| 02:52.07 | DWSR | Ok. |
| 02:52.12 | ScytheBlade1 | okay, who knows how ConnectBot works? |
| 02:52.13 | theorbtwo | "Bad" is a pretty nonspecifc word. "low threat" would have been much more specific. |
| 02:52.18 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 02:52.18 | robotusch | bad tanks = when your OT decides that taunt is part of his rotation |
| 02:52.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I need to sent alt+5 on this keyboard |
| 02:52.22 | robotusch | also |
| 02:52.39 | robotusch | bad DPS = when they fucking pop the thingies next to me on Loatheb |
| 02:53.28 | Ginji | How interesting, when I don't have amarok visible it's fine, when I switch to the desktop it's running on, 100% cpu! |
| 02:53.36 | Ginji | I guess I'll just leave it alone |
| 02:54.34 | DWSR | Ginji: If it ain't broke |
| 02:54.57 | Ginji | Exactly |
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| 02:55.05 | Ginji | postpone it as long as you can |
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| 03:09.27 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.2.x ToC: 30200 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | "It eats kittens and small rodents." - Lopeppeppy |
| 03:14.29 | Shirik | li23-154 apache2 # emerge --deep --update world |
| 03:14.30 | Shirik | Total: 0 packages, Size of downloads: 0 kB |
| 03:14.32 | Shirik | unpossible.... |
| 03:14.37 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 I broked something |
| 03:14.46 | Shirik | oh I know what I broked |
| 03:14.46 | Shirik | nm |
| 03:14.47 | ScytheBlade1 | not the first time |
| 03:16.07 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:16.10 | Shirik | why are you so mean to me |
| 03:16.23 | Shirik | Fisker, I demand you slap ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:16.46 | ScytheBlade1 | because I can be |
| 03:16.48 | ScytheBlade1 | And it is easy |
| 03:18.39 | NightHawkTheSane | it IS easy |
| 03:19.22 | ScytheBlade1 | see above |
| 03:19.40 | Shirik | you're calling me easy? |
| 03:20.21 | NightHawkTheSane | you probably are |
| 03:20.29 | NightHawkTheSane | i bet it runs in the family, too |
| 03:21.05 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ most oblique 'your mom' joke? |
| 03:24.50 | NightHawkTheSane | leaves to go to a horror film party |
| 03:37.36 | Dolby | your denying you that your easy Shirik ? |
| 03:37.52 | Dolby | wow i should read what i type |
| 03:37.53 | Lopeppeppy | wants to hear this discussion. |
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| 04:05.21 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy >< |
| 04:05.54 | Lopeppeppy | *kiss kiss* It's my bedtime, so remember the story to tell me tomorrow or Sunday! :) |
| 04:08.26 | Shirik | lool |
| 04:08.32 | Shirik | I am going to conveniently forget |
| 04:08.50 | KarlKFI | http://cdn-www.i-am-bored.com/media/41839_handlebartrampstamp.jpg |
| 04:09.42 | Corrodias | hot |
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| 04:20.40 | Shirik | I have been compiling code for about 2 and a half hours now |
| 04:20.42 | Shirik | someone save me |
| 04:21.23 | Seerah | cuts the power lines |
| 04:21.32 | Shirik | that happened yesterday |
| 04:21.34 | Shirik | we have generators |
| 04:22.58 | Shirik | Ok C++ gurus |
| 04:23.00 | Shirik | fun question |
| 04:23.20 | Shirik | Assuming no operator overloading, can someone think of a situation where "a=a;" would have a side effect? |
| 04:24.02 | Corrodias | i don't have enough experience to say no, but nothing comes to mind... |
| 04:31.29 | kdtresh | if a is a null pointer? |
| 04:31.52 | kdtresh | i haven't used c++ in a long time, lol |
| 04:32.36 | Shirik | that would be fine |
| 04:33.00 | kdtresh | well, that was my guess, i fail |
| 04:33.23 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, any situation where a processor has a memory mapped address that does something on input or output :D that obviously runs straight into undefined behavior though, and a would have to be volatile |
| 04:33.43 | Shirik | yeah I was kinda ignoring that case, I really meant the non-volatile case |
| 04:33.54 | Shirik | that is, is there a reason a strict compiler might not be able to optimize out the operation "a=a" |
| 04:34.29 | Shirik | for example, a compiler can NOT optimize out "a == a" |
| 04:34.39 | Shirik | not for all types, that is |
| 04:34.41 | ZorbaTHut | why can't it optimize out that? |
| 04:34.43 | kdtresh | questions like these were supposed to stop when i graduated |
| 04:34.47 | ZorbaTHut | oh, NaN |
| 04:34.50 | Shirik | right |
| 04:35.04 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, one of the ideas I had with a = a; was a signaling NaN. I don't know how those behave exactly. |
| 04:35.19 | Shirik | yeah I was playing with that idea but couldn't convince it to do something strange |
| 04:35.46 | ZorbaTHut | plus, that again pushes deep into implementation-defined. |
| 04:36.11 | Shirik | I'm willing to take implementation defined so long as it's defined by C++ to be implementation defined :) |
| 04:36.23 | ZorbaTHut | alright, I'm gonna put it this way. I cannot think of a reason why a compiler could not be written that interprets the standard in such a manner that "a=a" can be optimized out in all cases. :) |
| 04:37.21 | Shirik | hm, ok |
| 04:37.37 | ZorbaTHut | it may be a slightly different interpretation from other, more common compilers, but it should be valid. I *suspect* it's just fine, but I'm always a little hesitant to claim that with C++ |
| 04:38.11 | Shirik | I just ran across this macro that says INTENTIONALLY_UNUSED_PARAMETER(x) is defined as x=x |
| 04:38.43 | ZorbaTHut | I'm going to assume you're also barring the default operator= on a struct that itself includes members with overloaded operator= ;) |
| 04:38.43 | Shirik | and was trying to think if there was a situation in which this was dangerous |
| 04:39.11 | Shirik | well the default operator= shouldn't change anything unless we find some other basic type that does have a side effect |
| 04:39.22 | Shirik | oh |
| 04:39.26 | Shirik | didn't read the second half :) |
| 04:39.39 | Shirik | Yeah I meant no overloaded operator= anywhere :) |
| 04:40.10 | ZorbaTHut | yep, seems safe to me. though the macro will break on const values. |
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| 04:42.16 | Shirik | I thought of an inline template function |
| 04:43.02 | Shirik | template <class T> intentionallyUnused(T t) { T* a = &t; } |
| 04:43.25 | Shirik | but I think that would piss off the compiler even more |
| 04:43.33 | Shirik | because "a" is not used |
| 04:43.37 | Shirik | unless you do something like |
| 04:43.41 | Shirik | T* a = &t; a = a; |
| 04:43.51 | Shirik | but now we're approaching the point of "will the compiler really optimize this out?" |
| 04:45.15 | ZorbaTHut | that's the point where the compiler takes one look at your code, packs a suitcase, and catches the next flight to Hawaii |
| 04:45.21 | ZorbaTHut | fuck that, I'm outa here, compile your own code |
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| 05:13.30 | Ancu1 | ~seen theorbtwo |
| 05:13.32 | purl | theorbtwo is currently on #wowuidev. Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 2h 21m 19s, last said: '"Bad" is a pretty nonspecifc word. "low threat" would have been much more specific.'. |
| 05:13.48 | Ancu1 | ~seen ZorbaTHut |
| 05:13.48 | purl | zorbathut is currently on #wowuidev (2d 19h 58m 36s) #curseforge (2d 19h 58m 36s). Has said a total of 161 messages. Is idling for 28m 27s, last said: 'fuck that, I'm outa here, compile your own code'. |
| 05:14.19 | Ancu1 | You on zorba |
| 05:15.49 | ZorbaTHut | yup, what's up? |
| 05:16.06 | Ancu1 | what version is QH at? |
| 05:16.13 | ZorbaTHut | 1.2.6, looks like |
| 05:16.19 | ZorbaTHut | 1.3.0-beta on Monday |
| 05:17.02 | Ancu1 | So update on monday then? or is beta seprate from what you put up on curse? |
| 05:17.26 | ZorbaTHut | update on Monday. I'll probably post 1.2.7 and 1.3.0-beta at roughly the same time. |
| 05:17.36 | ZorbaTHut | I tend to only put betas on Curse just due to laziness. |
| 05:17.48 | ZorbaTHut | there's pretty much always an update on monday/tuesday/wednesday |
| 05:18.42 | Ancu1 | kk, I was wondering cause I am doing my updates now |
| 05:18.48 | Ancu1 | well everyone is sleeping |
| 05:19.01 | Ancu1 | Any idea what that patch was yesterday? |
| 05:19.14 | ZorbaTHut | curse tends to be the most authoritative site, it's the one I update when I can only update one |
| 05:19.18 | ZorbaTHut | nope, not a clue :) |
| 05:20.12 | Ancu1 | Cool. Why isnt LH on curse? I heard the Dev has an issue with curse for some reason |
| 05:21.01 | ZorbaTHut | I honestly couldn't say. Some people seem to think that Curse is more corporate and wowinterface is friendlier. I don't get that, myself. I don't know if that's LH's reason. |
| 05:21.39 | Ancu1 | strange |
| 05:21.56 | ZorbaTHut | It's worth pointing out that Lightheaded relies on data from Wowhead. Wowhead is owned by Zam, which also owns Wowinterface. |
| 05:22.14 | ZorbaTHut | I don't know if that's a factor or not. |
| 05:22.22 | Ancu1 | hmmmm |
| 05:22.44 | Ancu1 | So do we have a realease date on the arthus patch |
| 05:23.24 | ZorbaTHut | Yup, standard Blizzard date. |
| 05:23.27 | ZorbaTHut | "When it's done." |
| 05:23.46 | Ancu1 | lol |
| 05:24.14 | ZorbaTHut | if they follow the same pattern they usually do with content patches, you won't learn about it until some Tuesday morning when they start uploading the patch to everyone. (although they usually do preloading a few weeks in advance.) |
| 05:24.38 | Ancu1 | I am looking forward to the whole compleated quest thing. So what is QH going to be doing with it? |
| 05:24.52 | ZorbaTHut | Showing a little dot on your map for every quest that QH thinks you *could* do that you haven't. |
| 05:25.02 | ZorbaTHut | Toggleable feature, at the moment only functions per-zone. |
| 05:25.23 | ZorbaTHut | I also show the quest name and quest ID. I don't yet give detailed info on how to get the quest, only the location that I think it probably is. |
| 05:25.53 | Ancu1 | Wow, that will be fun to pin down |
| 05:26.19 | ZorbaTHut | Most of the time the quest is "go here, talk to the quest NPC that's hanging out here giving quests", so I don't expect too much trouble |
| 05:26.27 | ZorbaTHut | in an occasional rare case it's "go here and get a drop". |
| 05:26.48 | Ancu1 | Have you thought of doing WowHead research. Better yet, want me to do some wow head research? I would love to have my name on the dev team list |
| 05:27.12 | ZorbaTHut | I don't want to contaminate my database with proprietary data ;) QH's database is generated entirely independently |
| 05:27.35 | Ancu1 | darn...well is there any reaserch I can do to help? |
| 05:28.04 | ZorbaTHut | nah, not really. I barely even have manual hooks into the QH database at the moment |
| 05:28.15 | ZorbaTHut | it's all automated :P |
| 05:28.53 | Ancu1 | lol. Well let me know if you do. I will be eager to do anything I can. It is my #1 cant live without addon after all |
| 05:28.54 | ZorbaTHut | if I were to rig something like that up I'd need to start tracking quest items more precisely than I currently do. which would be nice, but is, at the moment, somewhat impractical. |
| 05:29.10 | Ancu1 | lol |
| 05:29.12 | ZorbaTHut | just submit data regularly, if you don't already :) |
| 05:29.26 | Ancu1 | right...link for that again? |
| 05:29.34 | Ancu1 | I forgot to add it to my faves list |
| 05:29.39 | ZorbaTHut | "/qh submit", or read the second paragraph or so on curse.com |
| 05:30.03 | Ancu1 | kk, lol, will do |
| 05:30.09 | ZorbaTHut | I think it's qhaddon@gmail.com but I'd have to go dig out the path for the file itself ;) |
| 05:31.06 | Ancu1 | I just thought of somthing. You might think of hooking into MI. |
| 05:31.52 | Ancu1 | That data base keeps track of quest item drops too, and some people get databases so it could draw the info out. |
| 05:32.10 | Ancu1 | they when they submit it, you have that added info. |
| 05:33.08 | ZorbaTHut | it seems dubious to hook into another UI mod, but what's MI? |
| 05:33.31 | Ancu1 | Mob Info |
| 05:33.38 | ZorbaTHut | oh, right |
| 05:33.40 | Ancu1 | I am currently running mobinfo 2 |
| 05:33.51 | ZorbaTHut | most of that would really be easy to do on my own if I just sat down and did it |
| 05:33.54 | ZorbaTHut | the problem, as usual, is time |
| 05:34.11 | Ancu1 | lol |
| 05:34.35 | ZorbaTHut | I tend to be very, very busy :) |
| 05:35.37 | Ancu1 | lol, I was just considering noseing into other code, seeing if I could dev you that addon options menu people keep asking for |
| 05:35.50 | Ancu1 | Im sure I could do it almost compleatly by copy paste |
| 05:36.27 | ZorbaTHut | if you want to put something together, go for it. it's easier and more fun to tweak than to create, so I could always modify it into what I was looking for, as long as it was reasonably well-built |
| 05:36.40 | ZorbaTHut | and QH certainly needs it |
| 05:37.07 | Ancu1 | I beg to differ, then again I love to do line commands |
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| 05:55.12 | Antiarc | Our druid is awesome. |
| 05:55.12 | Antiarc | http://imgur.com/DRWbr.png |
| 05:56.08 | Dagmar | holy crap |
| 05:56.10 | Dagmar | What the |
| 05:56.19 | Antiarc | She's a cross-server recruit |
| 05:56.29 | Antiarc | Her old server was megatarded for raiding |
| 05:56.35 | Antiarc | So we brought her in and did AitD with her |
| 05:56.36 | Dagmar | That's just a crazy level of achy-spam for one person |
| 05:56.42 | Dagmar | Cool |
| 05:56.56 | Dagmar | I know some folks from Titan have kind of flipped about our "casual" people spamming them like that |
| 05:57.36 | Dagmar | We're bright folks, so we might not have been there, but we've done our research (embarassment is not something we like) and we'll get to the end of a fight and like four or five of us will spam-achieve |
| 06:03.31 | ZorbaTHut | I've got a friend who's been raiding since pre-3.1 and has still somehow never done Drak'tharon |
| 06:03.39 | Dagmar | Cor I did a Naxx pug the other night with some people who were all gearing up their toons |
| 06:03.42 | Dagmar | That was a mess |
| 06:03.47 | ZorbaTHut | someday he's going to do it and his partymembers are going to freak out about him getting the achievment off the last boss. |
| 06:03.56 | Ancu1 | So what can you guys tell me about ace? |
| 06:04.16 | kd3 | it's the best thing since sliced bread. it'll speed up your mods just by being there! |
| 06:04.25 | kd3 | (lies. old forum spam from a while back) |
| 06:04.34 | kd3 | it's just a framework for getting things done |
| 06:04.41 | Dagmar | Unlike the last time I was in there, I remembered I'd have to deal with zombie chows so I didn't take a shot of sake on each pull |
| 06:04.44 | kd3 | if you like the way it works, great. if not, you can do it your own |
| 06:05.05 | kd3 | s/do it/do whatever you need to do on/ |
| 06:05.09 | ZorbaTHut | ancu, if you're thinking about ace for questhelper, I'd be rather skeptical about adding such a large dependency ;) |
| 06:05.09 | Dagmar | I definitely had to exercise a lot more fire-discipline tho |
| 06:05.32 | Dagmar | I absolutely stopped shooting during the dance, or I'd have been feigning at the end of each phase of Heigan |
| 06:06.07 | kd3 | heh... heh. nearly getting killed by aggroing heigan during the dance is fun |
| 06:06.15 | kd3 | nearly gave my undying attempt a few heart attacks doig that |
| 06:06.37 | Ancu1 | kk, just looking at what other addons have. |
| 06:07.13 | Dagmar | The last time I went with my guild (who IS all geared up for that) I managed to get his attention by a hair both times |
| 06:07.21 | Ancu1 | Was also thinking of going hamfisted and puting somthing in the esc menu, lol |
| 06:07.26 | Dagmar | I was watching Omen VERY closely |
| 06:07.56 | Dagmar | I really would rather just haul ass up onto the platform instead of doing a quick mis-d and |
| 06:08.12 | Dagmar | ...well, mainly doing a mis-d and then popping deterrence. Hehe |
| 06:08.16 | Ancu1 | *plays Safety Dance* |
| 06:08.45 | Dagmar | Regardless of how muhc complaining goes on, without Steady Shot BM DPS doesn't actually drop by a whole lot |
| 06:08.57 | Dagmar | Everything else is instants now |
| 06:09.40 | Dagmar | Maybe next weekend we'll 5-man Kara for giggles |
| 06:11.12 | batrick | zzz |
| 06:11.39 | Ancu1 | Dagmar: I have suddenly started to imagine you as a dwarf....are you a dwarf? |
| 06:11.44 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 06:11.56 | Dagmar | Over the last few years I've grown to like dwarves |
| 06:12.16 | Ancu1 | Wow, you even talk like one.....(alliance noob (jk)) |
| 06:12.23 | Dagmar | There's a simplicity to them in most storylines, and when the game has an over-the-shoulder viewpoint there's less to get in the way |
| 06:12.44 | Dagmar | I dropped my "usual" high elf toon in Dragon Age: Origins for a casteless dwarf |
| 06:12.54 | Ancu1 | I can here the scottish accent in your chat post, lol |
| 06:13.33 | Dagmar | No messing about with drama and whose princes are doing what treachery |
| 06:13.50 | Ancu1 | now wait, dont you do somthing with WHU? |
| 06:13.52 | Dagmar | It's generally about gold, loot, digging things up (mainly loot) and hitting people with axes when they interfere with any of the above. |
| 06:13.56 | Dagmar | WHU? |
| 06:14.04 | Corrodias | WHUT |
| 06:14.14 | Ancu1 | Warcraft Hunters Union, guess not |
| 06:14.17 | Dagmar | Nope |
| 06:14.20 | Dagmar | I will look into tho |
| 06:14.22 | Dagmar | er into it |
| 06:14.24 | Jerub | way to endear a raid leader to you #12: Refuse to bres them outright when they call for it. |
| 06:14.45 | Jerub | way to save a raid #44: Use the bres you saved (see rule #12) to bres the tank. |
| 06:15.07 | Ancu1 | lol |
| 06:15.10 | Dagmar | Oh wow |
| 06:15.16 | Dagmar | I'm glad you mentioned WHU |
| 06:15.48 | Dagmar | http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/raid-killshot1.jpg |
| 06:18.46 | Jerub | (raid leader was also a dps dk ;) |
| 06:20.21 | Dagmar | Someone should have ressed him as a ghoul then. ;) |
| 06:23.23 | Dagmar | We've done that in HToC5 before, which is funny when someone is hoping for the "no ghoul explosion damage" achievement and they don't realize that "the ghoul" isn't chasing them |
| 06:26.20 | Ancu1 | Wow, the lib TJOptions has all I need to make an interface panel |
| 06:26.24 | Ancu1 | sweet |
| 06:28.52 | Ancu1 | Zorba, would you object to the lib if I used it? |
| 06:29.02 | ZorbaTHut | depends on the size of the lib and the license |
| 06:30.13 | Ancu1 | License? Where is that useualy find that at? I mean other then the libs site |
| 06:30.51 | ZorbaTHut | it'll usually be listed in the addon, or on the page you download the lib from |
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| 06:47.05 | tem|afk | doesn't 3.3 pretty much obsolete Quest Helper anyway? |
| 06:50.16 | Jerub | what's more bizarre, pygmy suckerfish attached to a crate? or crystalised water? |
| 06:54.55 | Shirik | why would crystallized water be bizarre? |
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| 06:58.14 | Shirik | huh |
| 06:58.26 | Shirik | On a hunch, I just redid my 5th grade science fair project in my head |
| 06:58.34 | Shirik | and my conclusion should have been completely wrong |
| 07:00.34 | Ancu1 | so, where can I find a good collection of libs? |
| 07:00.47 | Dagmar | wowace |
| 07:01.39 | Ancu1 | does it have somthing other then the ace libs? |
| 07:02.13 | Torhal | Yes |
| 07:02.50 | Ancu1 | I will check it out then |
| 07:03.04 | Shirik | aptitude and portage have good collections of libraries too |
| 07:04.15 | Dagmar | heh |
| 07:17.57 | Ancu | whats the url for aptitude |
| 07:18.04 | Ancu | I cant find it with the google |
| 07:18.28 | Shirik | lol |
| 07:19.10 | Shirik | I'm going to assume you're on Windows |
| 07:19.21 | Ancu | yes |
| 07:19.22 | Shirik | in which case, aptitude and portage are not what you want :P |
| 07:19.30 | Ancu | oh, okay |
| 07:19.46 | Ancu | but did you get that from this: |
| 07:19.47 | Ancu | (02:18:41) Shirik: Received CTCP 'VERSION' (to Ancu) from Shirik |
| 07:19.47 | Ancu | (02:18:48) Shirik: Received CTCP 'OS' (to Ancu) from Shirik |
| 07:19.47 | Ancu | (02:18:55) Shirik: Received CTCP 'FINGER' (to Ancu) from Shirik |
| 07:19.52 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:19.55 | Shirik | no |
| 07:19.58 | Shirik | well |
| 07:19.59 | Shirik | sorta |
| 07:20.06 | Shirik | I got half of what I wanted, but not a conclusive answer |
| 07:20.21 | Ancu | oh, what does all of that mean? |
| 07:20.38 | Shirik | I was requesting information from your IRC client |
| 07:20.53 | Shirik | It was not very revealing |
| 07:21.40 | Ancu | I am useing pidgin. I dont think it was built for IRC, I think IRC was a side note... |
| 07:22.42 | Shirik | I know you're using it :P |
| 07:22.54 | Shirik | I don't particularly like it, but Cairenn does for some reason |
| 07:22.56 | Shirik | so |
| 07:23.01 | Shirik | there must be some merit |
| 07:23.15 | Cairenn | I find it convenient |
| 07:23.21 | Shirik | Cairenn only likes the bestest |
| 07:23.28 | Cairenn | never said that I particularly like or dislike it |
| 07:23.33 | Ancu | I use it for one reason: I dont want another program just to do IRC. |
| 07:26.19 | Ancu | as cairenn said: Convenient. Now if I wanted to make bots, or commands, or anything like that, I would use somthing else. But i just need to chat in this IRC. So I use what I already am useing for all my other chat. |
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| 07:29.18 | Shirik | Cairenn likes it so it must be good |
| 07:31.40 | Duman | hmm |
| 07:39.35 | Ancu | whats up duman |
| 07:40.58 | Duman | not much |
| 07:41.20 | Duman | thinking I might crash out early-ish tonight |
| 07:42.06 | Shirik | sets Duman to NULL and dereferences him |
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| 08:05.58 | tem | I wish I could skip leveling 70-80 |
| 08:06.42 | Shirik | I wish I could skip leveling 2-80 |
| 08:09.29 | Ancu | Alright, already asking for help I am |
| 08:10.03 | Ancu | My addons not showing up in the addon menu. |
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| 08:11.04 | Ancu | is there a line that I am supose to include that I am not? |
| 08:12.26 | Ancu | Did everyone go to sleep in 6 mins? |
| 08:13.30 | olafski | "your addons"? |
| 08:13.40 | olafski | the ones you wrote or all of them? |
| 08:13.59 | Ancu | addon's I supose, one addon |
| 08:14.07 | Ancu | the one I am writing |
| 08:14.10 | olafski | hm |
| 08:14.20 | olafski | does it have a .toc named the same as the addon folder? |
| 08:14.59 | Ancu | It has to be the same name as the folder? I thought it could be any name....fixing |
| 08:15.25 | olafski | then how would wow find it :) |
| 08:15.38 | olafski | I guess it could just look for the first .toc file it finds but still |
| 08:16.00 | Ancu | I was assuming that it just searched for tocs, thats all |
| 08:16.33 | olafski | yeah not an unreasonable assumption I guess |
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| 08:18.25 | Ancu | And I guess you have to exit all the way out and re enter every time you want to see changes, right |
| 08:18.46 | olafski | no |
| 08:18.51 | olafski | if you add new files yes |
| 08:18.57 | olafski | else a UI reload is enough |
| 08:19.11 | olafski | so now you have to restart, but if you linked your xml and lua files already you should be fine with UI reloads from then on |
| 08:19.22 | Torhal | If you add new files or alter the ToC, you must exit and reload |
| 08:19.43 | Ancu | okay, sweet |
| 08:22.22 | Ancu | Might help to save, lol |
| 08:35.00 | Ancu | What is ment by: Message: Interface\AddOns\QuestHelperMenu\QHM.lua:1: ')' expected near 'Helper' I cant seem to figure it out. |
| 08:35.53 | Torhal | It means you're missing a closing parenthesis. |
| 08:35.57 | Duman | well, what's the first line of that file? :P |
| 08:36.27 | Ancu | TjOptions.CreatePanel(Quest Helper Options, nil, tab) |
| 08:36.55 | Duman | I'm guessing you'll want quotes around "Quest Helper Options" |
| 08:37.10 | Torhal | No guess here: That is fact. |
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| 08:38.15 | Ancu | If it turns out to be qoutes, it should be listed in the instruction file that came with the lib |
| 08:38.24 | Torhal | ... |
| 08:38.30 | Ancu | Oh good, a new error |
| 08:38.34 | Duman | well, if you're passing it a string, you'll want quotes around it :) |
| 08:38.35 | Torhal | That's basic programming language usage |
| 08:38.56 | olafski | strings get quotes, else how will the parser know you meant to use a string and not a variable? :> |
| 08:39.20 | Duman | oh, the things you learn when you write a compiler, back in college |
| 08:39.52 | Duman | man that class made me spend many-a-night in the computer lab "dungeon" with multiple 2-liters of mt dew |
| 08:39.57 | Ancu | I thought that the string ended with the "," |
| 08:40.25 | olafski | what if you wanted a string with a comma in it? |
| 08:40.25 | Ancu | sigh, but another complaint |
| 08:40.39 | olafski | haha same duman |
| 08:40.47 | Torhal | You need to read some beginner programming language book, or at least Programming in Lua, which is here: http://www.lua.org/pil/ |
| 08:40.47 | Ancu | I hadn't thought of that, lol |
| 08:42.37 | Ancu | I dont learn well that way. I cant retain the information. I work best by talking, and doing, and failing. For example, I will never fail to put qoutes round my strings again |
| 08:42.49 | olafski | and asking it seems ;p |
| 08:43.03 | Ancu | well thats the talking part |
| 08:43.23 | Ancu | and I thank you all for your help, and the tomatos I know you all threw at me |
| 08:43.29 | Ancu | I love tomatos |
| 08:43.40 | olafski | sure but if you keep asking questions like this.. well people might not like it :P |
| 08:43.44 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:45.40 | Ancu | Sorry...I am not good at learning from books. I am good at memorizing the outline of a story I read, but thats not the same as learning. |
| 08:53.44 | Ancu | uhhhhg, now its complaining that there is an unexpected symbol near "[". the line is: |
| 08:53.45 | Ancu | TjOptions.CreatePanel("Quest Helper Options", [ isDefaultInGroup, ] nil, tab) |
| 08:53.56 | Ancu | What is not expected... |
| 08:56.28 | Ancu | HOLY CRAP!!! 4 o'clock! I need to go to sleep. See yalls tomarow |
| 08:57.50 | olafski | I would imagine "[" is not expected.. |
| 09:00.58 | Wobin | http://itmademyday.com |
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| 09:18.43 | tem | Ancu, "I don't learn that way" is a cop out |
| 09:18.58 | tem | you don't like to read so you've come up with a bullshit reason to get out of reading |
| 09:19.09 | tem | ~pil |
| 09:19.10 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 09:19.12 | tem | read it. |
| 09:19.29 | tem | it's not long, I promise |
| 09:22.25 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWVLzVhnYE0 |
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| 09:39.53 | foxchild | hi anyone here awake? |
| 09:40.13 | tem|afk | nope |
| 09:40.16 | foxchild | D: |
| 09:40.23 | Cairenn | no one home |
| 09:40.23 | tem|afk | ~asktoask |
| 09:40.24 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 09:40.26 | tem|afk | :P |
| 09:40.31 | foxchild | lol |
| 09:41.36 | foxchild | k, well i'm using an addon called dotimer and i want to set it up to show my interrupts. so far i can get it to show that i've interrupted something but i'd like it to show what and who i interrupted |
| 09:42.12 | foxchild | i was wondering if anyone here would know if dotimer is capable of that and how i can go about making it happen |
| 09:42.13 | Grum | combatlog addons show what you interrupted normally (something like MSBT/Parrot) |
| 09:43.03 | foxchild | i'll go check those out, but if i can get dotimer to do it, it'd be nice to have less addons |
| 09:43.09 | Grum | you can prolly tweak them to show on which player |
| 09:43.26 | Grum | dotimer tracks dots/debuffs/buffs not interrupts |
| 09:43.43 | Grum | so unless i does mot than advertised you'll need another addon :) |
| 09:43.49 | Grum | s/mot/more |
| 09:44.07 | foxchild | it can track stuff on the combat log |
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| 09:47.57 | foxchild | there's instructions that i don't quite understand that i believe would allow people to use dotimers for practically anything |
| 09:48.26 | foxchild | when pointing on the box where you type in what to watch for in the combat log it says, "You can use Lua string parsing regex to create return values." |
| 09:48.48 | Grum | aye, dotimer is bleh :P |
| 09:51.39 | foxchild | which do you prefer msbt or parrot? |
| 09:52.02 | nevcairiel | msbt, clearly |
| 09:52.02 | foxchild | maybe i can just switch to one of those instead and get rid of dotimer |
| 09:52.17 | Grum | they don't track dots |
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| 09:53.36 | foxchild | so i'd really have to utilize them both eh? |
| 09:53.58 | Grum | if you want tracked dots and better combat text, yes |
| 09:54.24 | Grum | this usually has to do with pvp, wanting to know what you interrupt, there are other addons which specificly target that area |
| 09:55.19 | foxchild | ah! that's my situation; i'm fine with my current setup for PVE but i've recently started PVPing |
| 09:55.54 | foxchild | i'd like an addon that i can program not to only announce to myself but to my arena partners as well |
| 09:57.30 | Grum | time to hit google then :D |
| 09:57.36 | jnwhiteh | OhSnap might help |
| 09:57.48 | jnwhiteh | you could alter most of it to do everything you want, and its got sensible defaults to beginw ith |
| 09:59.15 | foxchild | OhSnap is not showing in curse, where else can i look? |
| 09:59.39 | Grum | google: wow addon ohsnap O.o |
| 09:59.49 | jnwhiteh | !addon OhSnap |
| 09:59.51 | lua_bot | OhSnap (v. Beta3) last updated Wed Aug 5 15:05 (http://is.gd/4ULoU) |
| 10:00.04 | jnwhiteh | there is life outside curse! |
| 10:01.32 | foxchild | Thanks :) |
| 10:01.50 | foxchild | i'll play around with msbt, parrot, and give ohsnap a try! |
| 10:18.14 | mikma | blah, i need to fix the instant cast -message sticking on screen -bug :( |
| 10:18.28 | mikma | but i don't know what's causing it and i don't pvp anymore |
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| 10:46.53 | Wobin | http://itmademyday.com/2009/10/15/nicosia/ |
| 11:00.55 | mikma | wobin: http://itmademyday.com/2009/11/11/joey/ |
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| 11:09.20 | mikma | cairenn: http://itmademyday.com/2009/11/09/emily-2/ |
| 11:09.35 | Cairenn | ROFL |
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| 11:39.14 | Fisker | slaps Cairenn around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:39.33 | Cairenn | slaps a large trout around a bit with Fisker |
| 11:40.12 | Trela | slaps... eh nevermind. |
| 11:40.18 | Fisker | slaps Trela around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:40.43 | Fisker | you wouldn't slap a trout :( |
| 11:46.47 | mikma | tap that trout |
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| 11:58.20 | Aelo | DWSR: ping |
| 12:09.41 | Aelo | in a for loop, if i do i=1, is "i" automatically local? |
| 12:10.02 | Sesshu | yep |
| 12:10.38 | ZorbaTHut | er, that's if you're using it as the variable of the loop |
| 12:10.46 | ZorbaTHut | for i = 1, 5 do j = 3 end -- i is local, j isn't |
| 12:11.19 | Aelo | ty both |
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| 13:16.41 | Fisker | slaps ZorbaTHut around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:19.14 | Aelo | the trout of many slaps |
| 13:29.30 | robotusch | huggles Fisker |
| 13:33.23 | Fisker | slaps robotusch around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:44.24 | Aelo | what's the maximum length for an addon message? |
| 13:45.17 | Fisker | 7 troutslaps Aelo |
| 13:45.28 | Aelo | aha i see |
| 13:46.30 | Fisker | (i.e. 254 bytes) |
| 13:47.18 | Aelo | aye but i'm wondering if the "SAY" bit takes any of those bytes, or if the player name in a whisper does :P |
| 13:48.15 | Fisker | it doesn't |
| 13:48.28 | Fisker | The prefix and message is the only 2 things that take space |
| 13:48.36 | Fisker | and those 2 combined must not exceed 254 bytes |
| 13:48.48 | Aelo | kk |
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| 13:56.34 | Grum | i wonder why blizzard didnt decide to compress itemlinks |
| 13:58.37 | Stanzilla | to make your life harder |
| 13:58.59 | Grum | nah it would make sense to shorten them |
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| 14:02.22 | Aelo | any idea what the message-out limit is per second or so? |
| 14:02.51 | ScytheBlade1 | work :( |
| 14:03.05 | cbreak | Aelo: I know that if you surpass it you get dced :) |
| 14:03.31 | Aelo | cbreak: last time i checked it just pops up saying "you cant send anymore for now" |
| 14:03.44 | cbreak | hmm. Must be new in 3.0 |
| 14:03.46 | Aelo | just sent 50 whispers to myself 0.o |
| 14:03.57 | Aelo | and now 100 :P |
| 14:03.59 | cbreak | I got kicked off the server when I sent too many addon messages |
| 14:04.35 | mikma | sucks to be you nerd |
| 14:05.06 | cbreak | I changed the protocol of the addon so I don't get dced as much... |
| 14:05.22 | Aelo | just sent 250 to my poor friend in one for loop 0_o |
| 14:05.27 | Aelo | but theyre messages, not addno messages |
| 14:06.09 | zenzelezz | how long were the messages? |
| 14:06.12 | Grum | if you send that much, you are doing it wrong or on purpose, both deserve punishment =D |
| 14:06.28 | Aelo | zenzelezz: just 1, 2, 3, 4 for testing purposes |
| 14:06.49 | zenzelezz | try it again with ~50 letter messages or longer |
| 14:07.03 | Aelo | k |
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| 14:08.16 | Aelo | zenzelezz: over 50 chars per message, sent all 250 whispers without problem |
| 14:08.49 | Aelo | in a single for loop, to myself P |
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| 14:09.23 | evad87 | hi everyone |
| 14:09.41 | evad87 | anyone running windows 7? i'm having a bitch of a time getting mysql installed it keeps erroring out |
| 14:10.10 | evad87 | it tells me i'm using the wrong admin password but i only have one admin account and i'm effing logged in it while installing |
| 14:11.24 | evad87 | any suggestions |
| 14:13.24 | cbreak | sql has it's own user management |
| 14:13.30 | cbreak | not sure if that helps with your problem though |
| 14:13.54 | evad87 | where would i be able to locate this? |
| 14:14.02 | cbreak | inside the database |
| 14:14.18 | evad87 | oddly enough if i use something like wamp i can install mysql |
| 14:14.24 | evad87 | but i wanna install php 6 |
| 14:14.33 | Grum | doesnt it defaultly install without a rootpassword? |
| 14:18.32 | evad87 | not that i know of, it at installation wizard asks me for current, new and retype new password |
| 14:19.11 | Aelo | does wow scale with CPU speed? |
| 14:19.31 | Aelo | like if an addon was doing a stupid amount of things in an OnUpdate loop, would a faster computer be able to cope better (or do more) |
| 14:19.59 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 14:20.03 | zenzelezz | WoW's lua runs in a single thread, so it would "cope better" |
| 14:20.05 | Grum | yes but some is also limited in how fast the server sends you the data (think of massive aoe stuff with heroism) |
| 14:20.09 | zenzelezz | but you still shouldn't do much in OnUpdate |
| 14:20.25 | Grum | there is hardly a reason to do something *every* frame :P |
| 14:21.12 | Aelo | im not talking every frame, but im saying a lot of fuction calls every fraction of a second xD |
| 14:21.21 | ScytheBlade1 | sure there is |
| 14:21.31 | ScytheBlade1 | high precision timers |
| 14:21.44 | ScytheBlade1 | well, "high" |
| 14:22.56 | zenzelezz | high precipitation timers |
| 14:23.04 | cbreak | animation |
| 14:23.04 | Aelo | woot, about to sell my 3rd choppar xD |
| 14:23.08 | Grum | with the amount of precision you get from wow its not really lolx :P |
| 14:23.24 | Grum | Aelo: how much do you make of it? |
| 14:23.36 | cbreak | also, it's better to do something every frame |
| 14:23.40 | Aelo | made 1k of each of the first 2, and this one i'll make... |
| 14:23.47 | cbreak | than to do 100 times as much every 100th frame |
| 14:23.54 | Aelo | 1.9k |
| 14:24.10 | Grum | cbreak: usually overhead kills that a bit |
| 14:24.21 | Grum | Aelo: nice |
| 14:25.05 | Aelo | easiest money ever :P it's just high risk |
| 14:25.16 | Grum | aye |
| 14:25.30 | Grum | getting scammed trading is quite shitty, or even if they decide not to do it at the last moment |
| 14:27.07 | Aelo | hehe |
| 14:27.21 | Aelo | i put my 12.5k + mats into making it, then wap it on the AH for 16-17k |
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| 14:28.08 | Aelo | haha, the buyer said he got hacked and blizz made a mistake when restoring his char |
| 14:28.10 | Aelo | so he got double his gold |
| 14:29.11 | Grum | getting the vendor mount makes more sense though if you have that gold just once :) |
| 14:29.32 | Aelo | yeh |
| 14:31.16 | Grum | wtb multipassenger 310spd flying mount |
| 14:32.02 | cbreak | with eject button? |
| 14:32.40 | Aelo | lol xD |
| 14:32.45 | Grum | YES! >:) |
| 14:32.59 | Grum | i reckon they'll give my passengers gliders orso .. so its still meh |
| 14:33.07 | Aelo | i think they will bring multi-flying mounts out, but maybe theyll disable the eject button whilst flying :P |
| 14:33.11 | Aelo | or give you a parachute |
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| 14:35.46 | Aelo | going back to that thing i said about lots of function calls per millisecond |
| 14:36.08 | Aelo | think PlaySoundFile would be "slower" |
| 14:36.35 | Aelo | than most functions |
| 14:37.10 | Grum | why would it? |
| 14:37.21 | Aelo | because it has to go access the sound file :P |
| 14:37.31 | Aelo | and i dno what the game engine has to do in order to actually play the sound |
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| 14:41.16 | nevcairiel | playsoundfile hopefully just notifies the sound-engine to play the sound, and does nothing else that would make it slow |
| 14:41.28 | Aelo | ok awesome :P |
| 14:41.44 | Aelo | http://lab.andre-michelle.com/tonematrix --> http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6679/wowscrnshot111409115831.jpg |
| 14:41.50 | Aelo | that's the reason ;) |
| 14:42.04 | nevcairiel | wtf is that |
| 14:42.17 | Aelo | xD |
| 14:42.23 | Aelo | click the first link |
| 14:42.58 | nevcairiel | oh one of those things |
| 14:43.37 | Aelo | got it working in game with the dragging function and some other stuff |
| 14:43.49 | Aelo | but if im gonna add any kind of animation in the onupdate, it might start slowing down on my pc :P |
| 14:43.54 | olafski | whoa |
| 14:43.58 | olafski | you're making it as an addon? :D |
| 14:44.05 | Aelo | yeh lol |
| 14:44.08 | Aelo | it already works :P |
| 14:44.15 | nevcairiel | the animation should not be that bad to do |
| 14:44.17 | Aelo | just doesnt sound as great as the web version |
| 14:44.45 | Aelo | olafski: if you click the link button, other addon users can listen to your mix xD |
| 14:45.01 | Grum | the wow soundsystem cannot play >16 sounds at the same time right? |
| 14:45.07 | olafski | awesome aelo :) |
| 14:45.18 | Aelo | Grum: it can get close |
| 14:45.21 | nevcairiel | the sound system can register loads of channels |
| 14:45.48 | nevcairiel | 11/12 17:16:56.144 - Using 64 channels. |
| 14:46.06 | nevcairiel | No idea how many it internally can use |
| 14:46.25 | Aelo | only problem is, the short delay in the for loops and calling each PlaySoundFile |
| 14:46.29 | Aelo | that's when it's noticeable |
| 14:47.16 | Aelo | but maybe i can cut down on table hops and such to make it slightly faster |
| 14:48.48 | Aelo | if you fill in all 256 squares, you notice a performance difference xD |
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| 15:22.08 | Fisker | PLEASE JUST STOP GOOGLE! |
| 15:22.10 | Fisker | :( |
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| 15:23.17 | Zyn- | no |
| 15:23.36 | Fisker | they keep sending me google wave invites :( |
| 15:24.07 | zenzelezz | reminds me of, what was it, the Black War Bear? |
| 15:24.51 | Fisker | no |
| 15:25.12 | cbreak | just report them to the spam blacklists |
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| 15:34.22 | Aelo | olafski: lol i keep getting distracted by teh music instead of coding :P |
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| 15:38.13 | Ancu | So who wants to shout at me for being an idiot? |
| 15:39.38 | Ancu | I am trying to make an addon. I am getting errors, and considering my lack of knowledge I am sure that they are stupid mistakes |
| 15:39.54 | cbreak | learn from your mistakes |
| 15:41.57 | Ancu | Of corse, but first I need to know what the mistake is. |
| 15:43.00 | zenzelezz | well you're not going to find out unless you actually ask the question |
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| 15:44.10 | Ancu | Message: Interface\AddOns\QuestHelperMenu\QHM.lua:1: unexpected symbol near '[' |
| 15:44.10 | Ancu | the line in reffrance is: |
| 15:44.10 | Ancu | TjOptions.CreatePanel("Quest Helper Options", [ isDefaultInGroup, ] nil, tab) |
| 15:44.45 | zenzelezz | that error tells you a lot |
| 15:45.01 | zenzelezz | it didn't expect to find the "[", which means you have a syntax error |
| 15:45.13 | zenzelezz | I'm guessing you copied most of that line out of a guide or tutorial? |
| 15:45.29 | Ancu | Yeah, for TjOptions lib |
| 15:45.58 | zenzelezz | do you have a link to the page? |
| 15:45.59 | Ancu | panel, oldver = TjOptions.CreatePanel(name, parent, [isDefaultInGroup,] tab) |
| 15:46.03 | Ancu | no |
| 15:46.13 | Ancu | I found it in another addon. I still havent found it online |
| 15:46.18 | cbreak | [ ] means that part is optional... |
| 15:46.27 | cbreak | it doesn't mean you actually have to write it in code |
| 15:46.36 | Ancu | Oh....I thought it was a table |
| 15:46.47 | cbreak | , can not be a table |
| 15:46.54 | zenzelezz | that's {} |
| 15:46.54 | cbreak | it's a comma, not a legal name I think |
| 15:46.58 | Ancu | Thanks. I was wondering why the , was in the table |
| 15:47.14 | Ancu | I just assumed it was somthing I hadent learned yet |
| 15:47.16 | Ancu | thankyou |
| 15:47.30 | mikma | you are missing the parent? |
| 15:47.38 | zenzelezz | basically any time lua tells you "unexpected symbol", you have a syntax error |
| 15:48.07 | Fisker | slaps mikma around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:48.29 | mikma | fistertrout |
| 15:48.36 | Ancu | It is the only window. Therfore the parent is nil, or nul |
| 15:48.46 | Ancu | nil |
| 15:49.07 | mikma | does the function expect you to enter it? |
| 15:49.43 | Ancu | parent String or nil. The name of the panel which will be the new panel's parent, or nil for no parent. |
| 15:49.53 | mikma | cause, [foo] is optional, parent is needed |
| 15:50.13 | Ancu | right, I put it in as nil |
| 15:50.38 | Ancu | Thats what the tutorial means right, but string or nil |
| 15:50.38 | mikma | yes, but if you havent entered it as "nil", it is missing. unless the function understands the lack of nil |
| 15:51.10 | Ancu | TjOptions.CreatePanel("Quest Helper Options", nil, tab) |
| 15:51.11 | Ancu | No its no |
| 15:51.16 | Ancu | not* |
| 15:52.04 | mikma | <1744> <Ancu> TjOptions.CreatePanel("Quest Helper Options", [ isDefaultInGroup, ] nil, tab) |
| 15:52.10 | mikma | this is what i saw |
| 15:52.19 | mikma | <1746> <Ancu> panel, oldver = TjOptions.CreatePanel(name, parent, [isDefaultInGroup,] tab) |
| 15:54.00 | Ancu | nil is there, its just misplaced, I put it after the optional field by mistake |
| 15:54.47 | mikma | therefore, it lacks the nil ;) |
| 15:55.51 | Ancu | I am confused. Do you mean in the eyes of the code, because it is physicaly (or virtualy as this is on PC) there. Just in the wrong spot... |
| 15:57.09 | mikma | obviously the code doesn't work very well if the parameters are in the wrong spot |
| 15:57.57 | Ancu | I agree. But just because the code cant see it, doesn't mean its not there |
| 15:58.35 | zenzelezz | ... |
| 15:58.39 | mikma | sure.. sure.. |
| 16:00.41 | Industrial | how do I shot web |
| 16:01.33 | mikma | down, left, up, x |
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| 16:07.22 | Ancu | Now what is it complaining about |
| 16:07.23 | Ancu | Message: ..\AddOns\Overachiever\libs\TjOptions.lua line 610: |
| 16:07.23 | Ancu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:07.23 | Ancu | My lua is: |
| 16:07.23 | Ancu | TjOptions.CreatePanelGroup("Quest Helper Options", nil) |
| 16:07.24 | Ancu | TjOptions.CreatePanel("Window 1", nil, tab) |
| 16:10.03 | zenzelezz | try TjOptions.CreatePanel("Windows 1", nil, 1, tab) or something |
| 16:10.06 | zenzelezz | -s |
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| 16:13.39 | Ancu | heres the guide I am useing: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/128614 |
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| 16:14.42 | zenzelezz | so in the code you have shown us, have you actually created the table named "tab"? |
| 16:16.13 | Ancu | no... |
| 16:16.46 | zenzelezz | "tab Table. The panel's contents, using the specifications indicated in the "PANEL CONTENTS TABLE SPECIFICATIONS" section, below." |
| 16:16.56 | zenzelezz | so you need to read up on that and create such a table |
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| 16:18.46 | Ancu | So I need the table before it will stop giving me errors. Darn....Okay |
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| 16:37.14 | Ancu | How am I breaking an addon I dont even have tunrned on? |
| 16:38.59 | Fisker | i gotta poop |
| 16:39.52 | Ancu | Message: ..\AddOns\Overachiever\libs\TjOptions.lua line 610: |
| 16:39.52 | Ancu | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:39.52 | Ancu | I dont have overachiver on.... |
| 16:40.06 | nevcairiel | well apparently you do |
| 16:41.15 | Ancu | slaps forhead |
| 16:41.42 | Ancu | I forgot ACP creates individual profiles for each toon |
| 16:42.16 | Fisker | slaps Ancu around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:44.03 | Ancu | Oh good, I am breaking QH again |
| 16:47.05 | Ancu | What now... |
| 16:47.30 | Ancu | Message: Interface\AddOns\QuestHelperMenu\libs\TjOptions.lua:610: Invalid arg(s). Usage: TjOptions.CreatePanel(stringName, stringParentPanelName/nil, [isDefaultInGroup (boolean/any),] tablePanelLayout) |
| 16:47.44 | Ancu | TjOptions.CreatePanelGroup("Quest Helper Options", nil) |
| 16:47.44 | Ancu | TjOptions.CreatePanel("Windows 1", "Quest Helper Options", tab) |
| 16:47.45 | Ancu | tab={title="Quest Helper Options Menu!"} |
| 16:47.54 | Ancu | What am I doing wrong?! |
| 16:48.18 | mikma | tab[title] |
| 16:49.09 | Ancu | what do you mean? |
| 16:50.53 | mikma | tab={title="Quest Helper Options Menu!"}; TjOptions.CreatePanel("Windows 1", "Quest Helper Options", tab[title]) |
| 16:51.32 | Ancu | I will try it. One mo |
| 16:52.15 | Aelo | meow |
| 16:53.09 | Ancu | still the same error |
| 16:53.27 | Ancu | 's lil kt freces Aelo like a cat |
| 16:53.38 | mikma | then try TjOptions.CreatePanel("Windows 1", "Quest Helper Options", nil, tab[title]) |
| 16:54.03 | Ginji | isn't using tab[title] the same as just putting the string there? |
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| 16:54.10 | Ginji | So why define a table? |
| 16:54.15 | mikma | i have no idea |
| 16:54.25 | Ancu | mikma: I was just thinking about that, let me try it |
| 16:54.50 | zenzelezz | <Ancu> heres the guide I am useing: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/128614 <-- this described a lot of what you should be doing |
| 16:55.01 | mikma | ancu: and yes, you don't need a table for the table. just go with ' local tab = "foo" ' |
| 16:55.05 | zenzelezz | try reading it again, it gives an example |
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| 16:56.47 | dylanmcd | http://imgur.com/D7oXy.png <- Anyone know what the non-quartz cast bar in this picture is? I'm trying to turn it off, but I can't find it anywhere. |
| 16:57.28 | mikma | dylanmcd: most likely dominos castingbar |
| 16:57.29 | Ginji | It's odd though, a optional argument followed by a mandatory one |
| 16:57.40 | Ancu | Sigh, I will check out the guide in a few mins. When gram gets to a good resting point. Its still giving me an error. But I do want to make sure you know I am greatfull for the help. |
| 16:57.58 | dylanmcd | milkma: Nice! Thanks |
| 16:58.08 | Ginji | local tab = { title = "" }; TjOptions.CreatePanel("Windows 1", "Quest Helper Options", tab); |
| 16:58.19 | Ginji | That's what I figure it should be |
| 16:58.28 | Ginji | After glancing the docs |
| 16:59.01 | Ginji | or: TjOptions.CreatePanel("Windows 1", "Quest Helper Options", { title = "" }); |
| 16:59.05 | Ginji | same difference |
| 16:59.48 | Ginji | But seriously, there's an example right there in the link zenzelezz gave you |
| 17:00.33 | zenzelezz | it was even his own link :) |
| 17:00.59 | zenzelezz | I think the problem is (if I recall correctly) Ancu's a bit new to lua, so making sense of it all can be rough |
| 17:01.19 | Ancu | I am new to lua |
| 17:01.43 | Ancu | And I also have the disadvantage of being on dialup, so I have to load things between others wow playing |
| 17:02.31 | Ancu | thats why I havent loaded the guide that zenzelezz posted yet |
| 17:02.35 | Ginji | lol, welcome to the 21st century! |
| 17:02.58 | Ancu | need to wait for gram to get to like an inn or somthing so I dont kill her with lag. |
| 17:03.04 | zenzelezz | Ancu: I just re-posted the guide you posted |
| 17:03.16 | Ancu | oh |
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| 17:25.01 | Ancu | I thought ## made things comments |
| 17:25.25 | Industrial | -- |
| 17:25.34 | Industrial | --[[ block ]] |
| 17:25.43 | Industrial | Ancu: lua.org, and read PIL the book. |
| 17:25.47 | cbreak | there are more variations for the block based comments |
| 17:25.49 | nevcairiel | ## is for the .toc |
| 17:26.44 | Ancu | oh |
| 17:27.24 | Ancu | Industrial, I cant just load things willy nilly. and I dont do so well with those things. I try, but I have a hard time retaining the information. |
| 17:28.04 | Industrial | I'm a little upset today |
| 17:28.16 | Industrial | -> bbl |
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| 17:29.21 | foxlit | Another tools patch? |
| 17:29.48 | Ancu | no, a patch patch...or atleast if your refering to the one on thursday |
| 17:30.07 | nevcairiel | EU just got it today |
| 17:30.24 | cbreak | EU got one on tuesday or wednesday too I think |
| 17:30.46 | foxlit | Yeah, noticed that. Got another one just now; seemingly just the launcher. |
| 17:32.43 | foxlit | Looks like it wiped the caches :/ |
| 17:34.00 | nevcairiel | tools patches do that too now? |
| 17:34.06 | foxlit | This one did. |
| 17:35.01 | foxlit | I'm standing here in Dalaran, trying to do the cooking daily, and can't loot a thing because my client doesn't know anything about those items, and the server throttles the rate at which it allows me to discover them. |
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| 17:42.44 | Ancu | Im gona kill zorba |
| 17:43.31 | Ancu | This lua file isnt orginized at all |
| 17:43.36 | Ancu | no line breaks |
| 17:44.16 | Cide | s/;/;\n/ |
| 17:44.42 | Shirik | Ancu, I'm thinking he's on Linux and you're not |
| 17:44.42 | Industrial | Ancu: Don't use notepad |
| 17:44.44 | Shirik | and you're using notepad |
| 17:44.54 | Shirik | Don't get mad at Zorba. Get mad at Microsoft. |
| 17:45.01 | Shirik | And if you're coding in notepad, be mad at yourself. |
| 17:45.06 | Industrial | ^ |
| 17:45.19 | Aelo | np++ is good though :P |
| 17:45.24 | evad87 | i love the notepad ++ that was suggested |
| 17:45.24 | Ginji | indeed, notepad++ |
| 17:45.34 | Shirik | fuck notepad++ |
| 17:45.37 | Shirik | get a real editor like vim |
| 17:45.41 | Ginji | For windows? |
| 17:45.45 | Shirik | yes |
| 17:46.03 | evad87 | Shirik: what is so great about vim? |
| 17:46.05 | Industrial | before we all start shouting our editors again |
| 17:46.07 | Industrial | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_text_editors |
| 17:46.08 | Aelo | np++ & custom highlighting is all i need xD |
| 17:46.10 | Industrial | done. |
| 17:46.14 | Industrial | next subject? :p |
| 17:46.18 | Shirik | the fact that I don't have to do 500 things to do what I want |
| 17:46.22 | Shirik | and I never have to touch the mouse, ever |
| 17:46.23 | Ginji | I only use vim under linux |
| 17:47.01 | evad87 | i feel like notepad++ is like having bbedit |
| 17:48.55 | cbreak | TextWrangler is nice and free. |
| 17:49.07 | Cide | komodo edit |
| 17:49.22 | Shirik | vim is nice and free |
| 17:49.26 | Shirik | visual C++ is nice and free |
| 17:49.29 | Shirik | only two editors I will ever need |
| 17:50.43 | Industrial | http://github.com/Industrial/linux-configfiles/blob/master/.vimrc |
| 17:50.44 | Industrial | :p |
| 17:50.49 | cbreak | Visual C++ is free? |
| 17:50.58 | cbreak | or just ... gratis? |
| 17:51.16 | cbreak | summons the spirit of Stalman |
| 17:53.04 | zenzelezz | don't. None have yet managed to contain that demon |
| 17:54.13 | Shirik | it's free |
| 17:54.26 | Shirik | ok |
| 17:54.35 | Shirik | it's gratis, happy? |
| 17:55.10 | Shirik | Last I checked, the legal term for "free" was still "costs nothing" in the context of price |
| 17:55.29 | Shirik | last I checked, TextWrangler was not "nice and free" |
| 17:55.46 | Shirik | per your definition |
| 17:55.50 | nevcairiel | free as in beer, not free as in speech |
| 17:56.59 | cbreak | the spirit of stallman ignores TextWrangler because he's a microsoft hater. |
| 17:57.11 | cbreak | so he rather focuses on attacking vc++ |
| 17:57.22 | Shirik | DWSR: ping |
| 17:57.31 | Shirik | Well don't you sound incredibly hypocritical |
| 17:57.31 | DWSR | Shirik: pong |
| 17:57.34 | Shirik | http://www.wowprogress.com/pve/us/drenden |
| 17:57.39 | Shirik | What we were discussing earlier |
| 17:57.41 | NightHawkTheSane | textwrangler IS nice though |
| 17:57.52 | Shirik | I'm considering moving from "Requiem" (Current) to "Heresiarch" (Old) |
| 17:58.04 | Shirik | significant difference, yes, but they're still #2 |
| 17:58.04 | Ancu | I suddenly like lua. Look at this very spacific(sp) error: |
| 17:58.05 | Ancu | Message: Interface\AddOns\QuestHelperMenu\QHM.lua:6: '}' expected (to close '{' at line 5) near 'tooltip2' |
| 17:58.05 | batbot | Ancu, pacific, specific, s pacific, s-pacific. |
| 17:58.22 | DWSR | Shiibot: Ouch |
| 17:58.28 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 17:58.31 | Fisker | it's too late now |
| 17:58.34 | Shirik | I told you our server was backwater, right? |
| 17:58.43 | nevcairiel | migrate server? |
| 17:58.44 | Fisker | i have my server underwater |
| 17:59.01 | Shirik | nevcairiel: That's more complicated than you would think :) |
| 17:59.04 | Ancu | PHP never gave me such a spacific error. That was easy to fix |
| 17:59.24 | DWSR | Ancu: Specific. |
| 17:59.30 | Shirik | PHP gives very specific errors |
| 17:59.36 | Shirik | you just need to know how to read them |
| 17:59.38 | NightHawkTheSane | ... even after checking the spelling, you made the same mistake |
| 17:59.39 | nevcairiel | php is a very specific error |
| 17:59.43 | Shirik | lol. |
| 17:59.57 | DWSR | http://www.wowprogress.com/pve/us/emerald-dream <-- Shirik, I'm in Maximum Prestige. |
| 18:00.02 | DWSR | We use Naxx gear to clear ToGC |
| 18:00.25 | Ginji | Does that make your e-peen grow? |
| 18:00.27 | Shirik | but your server also shows to have more people |
| 18:00.41 | Shirik | our server has so few people that it's very difficult for anyone to progress |
| 18:00.45 | DWSR | quantity != quality. |
| 18:00.47 | Shirik | no |
| 18:00.53 | nevcairiel | so why is it so complicated to migrate? |
| 18:00.55 | Shirik | but quantity means you have a larger pool of quality players |
| 18:01.05 | Shirik | s/quality/potential quality/ |
| 18:01.09 | Aelo | DWSR: http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6679/wowscrnshot111409115831.jpg |
| 18:01.21 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Long, will discuss when I get back from shower |
| 18:01.22 | Shirik | kbye |
| 18:01.24 | DWSR | Aelo: LOL, did you make that? |
| 18:01.27 | Aelo | yup :P |
| 18:01.30 | DWSR | nice |
| 18:01.34 | Aelo | still adding stuff to it though |
| 18:01.59 | DWSR | wtf? |
| 18:02.02 | Aelo | added a drumkit one too :P |
| 18:02.15 | DWSR | As soon as you die with a soulbound sellback item, it becomes bound? |
| 18:02.54 | Fisker | bah stupid xbox live :( |
| 18:03.00 | Fisker | buzzkillers |
| 18:03.24 | Shirik | really? |
| 18:03.30 | Shirik | maybe it's just a tooltip bug |
| 18:03.33 | Shirik | Try selling it? |
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| 18:04.19 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:12.59 | Ancu | zorba realy needs to orginize this mess. How does he expect others to help him out? |
| 18:13.12 | Ancu | ~seen zorbaTHut |
| 18:13.14 | purl | zorbathut is currently on #wowuidev (3d 8h 58m 2s) #curseforge (3d 8h 58m 2s). Has said a total of 201 messages. Is idling for 6h 2m 28s, last said: 'for i = 1, 5 do j = 3 end -- i is local, j isn't'. |
| 18:13.17 | DWSR | Ancu: You looking at the QH code? |
| 18:13.24 | Ancu | Yeah |
| 18:13.26 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 18:13.29 | DWSR | Fucking insane. >.< |
| 18:13.53 | cbreak | how convenient it is to have a web browser with wowhead :) |
| 18:14.16 | Ancu | nice to know I am not the only one that has trouble reading this |
| 18:14.17 | DWSR | cbreak: Lightheaded and QH > browser. |
| 18:14.38 | Ancu | nods at dwsr |
| 18:14.56 | olafski | not to be annoying or anything but did he ask for help? |
| 18:15.00 | DWSR | yes |
| 18:15.06 | olafski | oh :P |
| 18:15.31 | olafski | never looked at the code +) |
| 18:15.36 | olafski | try carbonite, that's readable ancu :) |
| 18:15.52 | DWSR | LOL |
| 18:15.57 | Aelo | xD |
| 18:16.11 | Ancu | He wants anyone who want to to contribute. I am trying to make an addon that creates a menu in the interface options for it. |
| 18:16.17 | Shirik | hm |
| 18:16.22 | Ancu | olafski: Might download it tonight |
| 18:16.23 | Shirik | Ancu, I suggest you read this |
| 18:16.47 | Shirik | http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html |
| 18:17.28 | evad87 | does anyone know what php function i wanna use to show 10.6 as 10.60? |
| 18:17.31 | Ancu | What is it? |
| 18:17.41 | DWSR | evad87: round |
| 18:17.42 | DWSR | ? |
| 18:17.51 | cbreak | string concatenation? |
| 18:17.58 | cbreak | (or formating?) |
| 18:18.01 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 18:18.10 | DWSR | string.format or round, I would imagine. |
| 18:18.55 | jnwhiteh | Clique released with support for Steelseries MMO Gaming mouse |
| 18:19.41 | Ginji | numberformat() |
| 18:20.09 | Ginji | or something |
| 18:20.22 | Ginji | evad87: http://nl3.php.net/manual/en/function.number-format.php |
| 18:20.23 | Fisker | destroys jnwhiteh |
| 18:20.32 | Fisker | i thought you just used wow keybindings |
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| 18:23.41 | Ancu | I will give zorba that the individual lua files are orginized nicely, its whats in the lua files thats a mess |
| 18:24.39 | Fisker | fuck |
| 18:24.44 | Fisker | i violated the law! |
| 18:24.52 | Aelo | :o |
| 18:25.01 | Aelo | trout crime again? |
| 18:25.19 | Fisker | naw |
| 18:25.25 | Fisker | went to /b/ |
| 18:26.28 | Shirik | b& Fisker |
| 18:28.15 | Fisker | http://img.4chan.org/b/src/1258221791473.jpg |
| 18:28.58 | Aelo | lol |
| 18:29.12 | Ancu | I wish there was a place that there was just a list of vars that are included in QH. Trying to find the individual vars sux |
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| 18:34.20 | Ancu | I wonder where zorba stores his line commands, does anyone know? |
| 18:35.04 | Aelo | in a secret place where noone else can reach them :P |
| 18:35.16 | Ancu | I somehow doubt that |
| 18:39.45 | Ancu | I giveup, I will get zorba to help me find his vars when he is on tonight |
| 18:39.56 | Ancu | I am getting a headache looking at his code |
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| 18:40.18 | Ancu | Breaks all the ethical orginization of codeing that I have ever learned |
| 18:40.34 | Neocrypter | thats always fun |
| 18:40.41 | nevcairiel | Ancu: so dont? :D |
| 18:41.48 | DWSR | Ancu: What are you looking for? |
| 18:42.33 | Ancu | The vars to turn on and off the filters. If I could find the line commands for like"/qh filter zone" then I would be alright |
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| 18:45.04 | Neocrypter | How would I go about printing a message to the raid warning from, been looking through the wow api and i cant seem to find it, though i may be looking in the wrong spot |
| 18:45.20 | Neocrypter | er frame |
| 18:47.12 | foxlit | It's just a ScrollingMessageFrame |
| 18:47.23 | foxlit | So :AddMessage on it would do the trick. |
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| 18:49.43 | Neocrypter | thanks, I was makeing it over complicated :P but I tend to do that when learning things, working on my frst addon |
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| 18:50.10 | foxlit | Did you find the right frame, though? |
| 18:50.58 | Neocrypter | not yet but that give me enough to start looking |
| 18:51.12 | nevcairiel | its RaidWarningFrame |
| 18:51.14 | nevcairiel | ;9 |
| 18:51.32 | nevcairiel | I think it uses a special API to print there, though |
| 18:51.42 | Neocrypter | I tried this snippet of code i found on the forums and it wasnt working so i turned here. what im trying to make should be very very easy to do |
| 18:51.44 | Aelo | RaidNotice_AddMessage(RaidWarningFrame,"text",{r=102/255,g=255/255,b=255/255}); |
| 18:51.46 | Aelo | can use that |
| 18:52.11 | Coren{de} | instead of 255/255, 1 is a lot shorter ;) |
| 18:52.13 | Neocrypter | thats actually the snippet i found, and it didnt seem to work, might be my event handeler though |
| 18:52.16 | Aelo | ssh :P |
| 18:53.06 | Neocrypter | http://wowi.pastey.net/128631 thats what I have atm, pretty straight forward |
| 18:53.07 | foxlit | Hm, my bad. It's not a SMF at all. |
| 18:53.42 | Shirik | foxlit |
| 18:53.46 | Shirik | is that yours? |
| 18:53.51 | Neocrypter | yes |
| 18:53.55 | Coren{de} | stupid question: where does wowcompares.com get the files from? does Blizzard offer some .zip somewhere and I'm just too dumb to find it (or links to it)? |
| 18:53.58 | Shirik | oh it's Neocrypter's |
| 18:54.03 | Shirik | Yeah, don't use "this" |
| 18:54.03 | Shirik | ever |
| 18:54.05 | Shirik | ever ever |
| 18:54.12 | Aelo | Neocrypter: the frame is passed in as first arguement in OnEvent |
| 18:54.20 | nevcairiel | Coren{de}: there is an extraction tool |
| 18:54.22 | nevcairiel | ~framexml |
| 18:54.23 | purl | Official: (Mac) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.dmg, (Win) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.zip. Compare: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 18:54.31 | Shirik | Aelo: You don't know that |
| 18:54.38 | Coren{de} | aah, thanks a lot, nev =) |
| 18:54.38 | Shirik | Neocrypter: Do you have more code than just that? |
| 18:54.40 | Aelo | fine, i presume :P |
| 18:54.57 | Neocrypter | Ahh ok thanks, Aelo |
| 18:54.59 | Shirik | you should have XML; where is it? |
| 18:55.07 | Shirik | Neocrypter: Don't take that advice yet. It may not be true. |
| 18:55.34 | nevcairiel | i dont think ERR_BADATTACKFACING is a real event |
| 18:56.00 | Shirik | You all are jumping on the complicated stuff and missing the obvious stuff... |
| 18:56.00 | Aelo | hides |
| 18:56.06 | nevcairiel | !api ERR_BADATTACKFACING |
| 18:56.06 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'ERR_BADATTACKFACING'. |
| 18:56.15 | Neocrypter | Hmm |
| 18:56.24 | Shirik | Neocrypter, where is your XML? Or the rest of your code? |
| 18:56.25 | Neocrypter | well i was looking at another addon to find that |
| 18:56.36 | Neocrypter | so far that is all I have besides the TOC |
| 18:56.39 | Shirik | Ok |
| 18:56.51 | Shirik | then there are much bigger things wrong than what nevcairiel and Aelo are telling you |
| 18:56.59 | Shirik | neither of those functions are ever called |
| 18:57.02 | Torhal | nevcairiel: I think you're looking for E_NOIDEAMADEITUP |
| 18:57.10 | Shirik | You have no frame |
| 18:57.16 | nevcairiel | ENOCLUE |
| 18:57.18 | Neocrypter | since it was a simple thing didnt think i needed xml, cause uinless im interpriting itwrong the xml is for laying out frames and or UI elements |
| 18:57.23 | Shirik | you never registered AF_OnEvent |
| 18:57.27 | Shirik | yes, but events are only sent to frames |
| 18:57.34 | Shirik | you need an invisible frame if you want to pick up an event |
| 18:57.41 | nevcairiel | you dont *need* XML, but you didnt take the steps to not-need it either |
| 18:57.54 | Neocrypter | ahh ok, i just strated trying to much through this today |
| 18:58.00 | Shirik | Your code is structured for XML but has no XML paired with it |
| 18:59.10 | Shirik | http://www.wowwiki.com/Handling_events |
| 18:59.12 | Neocrypter | well I have been looking for a good tut for addon creation and the ones i have been finding seem to be outdated or craptastic, im familur with programming, but not the way this works |
| 19:04.43 | foxlit | I can only suggest keeping track of your complaints towards the existing tutorials and noting them somewhere. |
| 19:04.57 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:05.17 | Neocrypter | ok so if ERR_BADATTACKFACING dosent really exist then how could I get if your facing your target or not? |
| 19:07.22 | Coren{de} | ERR_WRONG_DIRECTION_FOR_ATTACK exists... |
| 19:07.51 | nevcairiel | I dont think those are real events |
| 19:08.01 | nevcairiel | they are probably managed through the chat system or something |
| 19:08.02 | Coren{de} | it's just the localizable error string |
| 19:08.24 | Coren{de} | everything starting with ERR_ is just a string from GlobalStrings.lua |
| 19:10.07 | Coren{de} | what you can do is hook the RaidWarningFrame frame and check if a red message matches the text of the error string |
| 19:11.25 | Neocrypter | so dose it allready pring those message to the raid frame then? cause thats what I was trying to do Hmmm |
| 19:11.30 | Neocrypter | er print |
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| 19:13.48 | Neocrypter | heh maybe I should just stick to writing web apps and .net apps lol |
| 19:14.29 | Fisker | roadhouse |
| 19:14.33 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:17.18 | Coren{de} | still can't figure if it's possible to access the assigned roles in a LFD group :( nevcairiel, did you try and got lucky? =D |
| 19:18.18 | Aelo | surely there must be a new API function for it? |
| 19:20.35 | Coren{de} | I dumped all functions beginning with "Get" from _G, nothing seems to fit "role" or "assign" and give the wanted result |
| 19:22.57 | cbreak | eeew... .net apps :/ |
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| 19:24.28 | Coren{de} | hmmmmm UnitGroupRolesAssigned(unitId) seems to be returning *something* :) |
| 19:25.34 | zenzelezz | I keep forgetting to equip companions in DA:O when I bring along one I don't use often... |
| 19:28.40 | Dagmar | I keep |
| 19:28.45 | Dagmar | 'em equipped |
| 19:29.11 | Dagmar | I am going to have to either cheat myself up some more inventory space, or find somewhere that surplus gear can be stashed tho. |
| 19:29.57 | Dagmar | Flemeth > me, still |
| 19:30.17 | zenzelezz | I was just trying Flemeth... didn't go well |
| 19:30.30 | Dagmar | Yeah, I about fell out of my chair when I first went after her |
| 19:30.53 | zenzelezz | and it doesn't help that my companions like to act like a newbie raider, standing beside the tank |
| 19:30.56 | Dagmar | I thought it might be rough, and they she started talking about winning what she takes and goes walking off? |
| 19:31.29 | Dagmar | Then it was facepalm time because honestly, knowing her daughter is a shapeshift and had to have learned it from someone, I should have GUESSED something like what was about to happen would happen |
| 19:31.51 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: Reprogram them |
| 19:32.08 | Dagmar | Some of 'em seem to come with set tactics so they'll always attack the same target you do |
| 19:32.34 | olafski | ancu: can't you just look in the source for /qh? :s |
| 19:32.35 | zenzelezz | I keep forgetting to do that too >.< |
| 19:32.43 | olafski | ancu: and I was kidding about carbonite being readable code |
| 19:33.03 | Dagmar | BTW the reason Wynne has so many tactics slots "for free" is so you can actually use those "jump to tactic n" rules and set up tests that will make her cast mass heal |
| 19:33.31 | Dagmar | I really wish there was more damage mitigation, or that there was more gear with in-combat regen |
| 19:33.43 | Dagmar | The difference between having a spirit healer and NOT having one is too damn severe |
| 19:33.57 | Dagmar | I gotta micro-manage fights without Wynne doing heals |
| 19:34.40 | Ackis | did wynne leave you"? |
| 19:34.50 | Dagmar | Nope |
| 19:35.09 | Dagmar | I just don't like that that one toon is more necessary than my main, so to speak |
| 19:35.47 | Dagmar | Without her, I have to be very picky about where everyone is at all times, and burn loads of healing poultices |
| 19:36.02 | Ackis | any blizzard employees in this channel who got their UDE Christmas card and is interested in selling it send me a PM :P |
| 19:36.48 | Dagmar | With her, I can switch the combat tactics up so that my main targets the opponent with the fewest hit points, and the other two follow his lead, and then I just press F1 through F4 so that the AI keeps setting up things for them to do, and they win |
| 19:37.05 | Dagmar | ...and I do mean literally just mash F1 through F4 over and over |
| 19:37.11 | Ackis | pfft nerd, playing on a computer, real gamers play on xbox 360! |
| 19:37.35 | zenzelezz | surreal perhaps |
| 19:37.40 | Dagmar | "Real gamers" probably aren't wiping out elite opponents in four hits. |
| 19:38.25 | Dagmar | Strength 42, Dexterity 28, Constitution 33. One sword, one shield, one set of massive armor. |
| 19:38.45 | Dagmar | Everything except dragons might as well be trying to fight the cow grinder over at the abbatoir |
| 19:39.04 | Ackis | you had trouble with the dargons? |
| 19:39.22 | Ackis | my secret to winning was having wynne in the party with rez ready lol |
| 19:39.26 | Dagmar | Flemeth has sent my punk ass back to the last save point twice now |
| 19:40.04 | Dagmar | I may try it with her again... The second time she was a dragon snack |
| 19:40.16 | Dagmar | Flemeth made a _bee-line_ for my healer |
| 19:40.17 | Dagmar | heh |
| 19:41.55 | zenzelezz | bee-line? |
| 19:42.31 | Dagmar | You'd think Wynne was wearing a lambchop necklace and a light coating of savory sauces. |
| 19:42.50 | Dagmar | Flemeth just went straight to her and chomp stomp chomp. |
| 19:43.19 | zenzelezz | "Go for the guy in the dress!" |
| 19:43.41 | Ackis | ~seen seerah |
| 19:43.44 | purl | seerah <n=Ryan@c-76-107-191-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 17h 2m 19s ago, saying: ':D'. |
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| 19:45.27 | zenzelezz | call me crazy, but I like the rhyming tree |
| 19:46.40 | NightHawkTheSane | whatever you say, crazy |
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| 19:52.41 | foxlit | "Ostriches can run at 60 km/hour and their kick is powerful enough to kill any lion with visions of a big chicken dinner." |
| 19:52.41 | foxlit | Thank you, Operating Systems book. |
| 19:53.02 | olafski | your OS book is about ostriches? |
| 19:53.04 | olafski | mine is about dinosaurs |
| 19:53.18 | Dagmar | Strange. Mine talks about operating systems. |
| 19:53.25 | olafski | yes as I said |
| 19:53.28 | olafski | linux ;) |
| 19:53.36 | olafski | and unix and other prehistoric things |
| 19:53.52 | olafski | no but there is actually a drawing of dinosaurs on the front of my OS book |
| 19:56.40 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: OStriches? ;o |
| 19:56.51 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: clever! |
| 19:58.20 | Gnarfoz | I spent my Amazon gift cards that I bought with these wowace author reward points on... two O'Reilly pocket references for SQL and Oracle utilities... a box set of the Twilight saga. |
| 19:59.00 | Dagmar | HAHAH |
| 19:59.04 | Dagmar | You'll regret that last one |
| 19:59.21 | Dagmar | Try to remember that you voluntarily chose what to spend that money on. |
| 19:59.32 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: http://www.go-hero.net/box/amazon.png is mine |
| 19:59.37 | Dagmar | Don't blame the person who gave you the gift cards for the quality of writing in the Twilight books. |
| 20:00.02 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: I gave them to myself, basically (or Curse did) |
| 20:00.03 | foxlit | Came out to a bit more than the gift cards, though. Silly third book and shipping :/ |
| 20:00.17 | Gnarfoz | you had to pay shipping for an order as big as that? |
| 20:00.30 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 20:00.34 | Gnarfoz | curious |
| 20:00.45 | foxlit | Also a 25% VAT. |
| 20:00.48 | Dagmar | Twilight would be the first time a movie has been better than the book, that I know of |
| 20:00.55 | Gnarfoz | mine was ~43â¬, 40 of which were covered by gift cards, no shipping |
| 20:00.59 | Dagmar | ...but it would be really hard to be _worse_ than the book. |
| 20:01.08 | Gnarfoz | euugh |
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| 20:01.49 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: 48 GBP items, 8 GBP shipping, 15 GBP VAT and a 50 GBP giftcard. |
| 20:01.57 | Dagmar | Written for semi-literate 13-year olds, by semi-literate 13-year-olds. |
| 20:01.58 | Gnarfoz | well, I know enough girls who'll like that I read (or at least bought xD) them, so I get at least something out of it :p |
| 20:02.18 | Dagmar | You could always lie. |
| 20:02.33 | Gnarfoz | it kind of already is |
| 20:02.41 | Gnarfoz | the implication to them is that I like the books/movie |
| 20:02.53 | Dagmar | Implying that could easily backfire |
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| 20:03.05 | Dagmar | They might give you more, equally shit books. |
| 20:03.19 | Gnarfoz | can always refuse :D |
| 20:03.20 | Dagmar | ...or they might wonder what type of head injury you suffered and just pity you. |
| 20:03.38 | Aelo | do you still receive addon messages from people on yoru ignore list? |
| 20:03.42 | Gnarfoz | nah, they're into it and find it fascinating/great/whatever |
| 20:03.52 | foxlit | Aelo: probably not. |
| 20:04.03 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: 25% VAT, wth... |
| 20:04.05 | foxlit | [I've only heard that to be the case, not verified it] |
| 20:04.56 | Dagmar | Wouldn't you rather date a girl with a _working_ nervous system? |
| 20:05.18 | Thrae | Dagmar: Some of us just don't have that buying power. |
| 20:05.35 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 20:05.38 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: oh yes. |
| 20:05.50 | foxlit | "An income tax of up to 63%" too. |
| 20:06.25 | krka | Dagmar: dexter the tv series was better than dexter the books as well |
| 20:06.40 | krka | green mile the movie was also better than the book imo |
| 20:07.05 | Dagmar | krka: Yes, but in those cases, neither form sucked ass |
| 20:08.41 | krka | i'd argue that the dexter book in fact did suck ass :P |
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| 20:14.05 | Fisker | slaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:14.44 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: how can you pay income tax on a *purchase*? |
| 20:15.03 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: you can't. I'm just pointing out the taxation rates. |
| 20:15.33 | Gnarfoz | sounds like a fun place to live & work |
| 20:15.34 | Gnarfoz | :O |
| 20:17.44 | Fisker | slaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:18.38 | Shirik | Lol, browsing products and I come across this on the retailer's site: |
| 20:18.40 | Shirik | FACT: *NOT compatible with Vista, so please do not purchase this. Read system compatibilty. |
| 20:18.51 | Shirik | They are advertising something then tell you "please do not purchase this." |
| 20:19.26 | Esine | In WoW, can Paladins break from Rogue's Blind or Sap? Maybe with the bubble thing? |
| 20:19.57 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:20.10 | Shirik | which is why if you get a sap off on a pally healer you're probably in a good position |
| 20:20.13 | Esine | Because I'm a lowlie 73 mining in northerend, and I see other 80s flying and trying to grab metal nodes. I blind or sap them, but the last two times an 80 paladin hasn't done anything after I blind/sapped him |
| 20:20.15 | Shirik | because many of them bubble early |
| 20:20.34 | Shirik | they're probably stupid :P |
| 20:20.35 | Esine | so I've got the metal node most of the time now |
| 20:20.38 | Esine | yeah probably |
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| 20:20.48 | Shirik | waves at Iriel |
| 20:21.06 | Iriel | lo |
| 20:21.20 | zenzelezz | hi |
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| 20:22.45 | Gnarfoz | hum |
| 20:22.54 | Gnarfoz | why would a paladin on a mining tour have bubbled early |
| 20:23.22 | Gnarfoz | they probably are just stupid or think you're going to kill them (not looking at your level) instead of just taking the ore vein ^^ |
| 20:23.48 | Gnarfoz | and because you'd have to break that Blind/Sap yourself, if you wanted to do that, they don't use Divine Shield to break it |
| 20:23.54 | Esine | could be.. but this is titanium we're talking here |
| 20:24.21 | Gnarfoz | well... I fall back to "stupid" then |
| 20:24.22 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:29.47 | Fisker | Gnarfoz |
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| 20:29.49 | Fisker | you can't kill me |
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| 20:30.17 | Gnarfoz | I can still throw you off a cliff |
| 20:30.26 | Fisker | wouldn't matter |
| 20:30.33 | TC-Away | slaps fisker around with a small troll |
| 20:30.47 | Fisker | can you do that with yourself? |
| 20:30.53 | Fisker | pretty nice |
| 20:31.15 | Fisker | GOOGLE CHROOOOOOME |
| 20:33.01 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 20:33.06 | Shirik | you wouldn't throw Firefox off a cliff |
| 20:33.36 | Fisker | nope |
| 20:34.00 | Fisker | because i wouldn't want to get diseases from being in contact with it |
| 20:37.24 | Thunder_Child | to late Fisker |
| 20:38.56 | Shirik | I'm going to start selling bags of air |
| 20:39.05 | Shirik | and in them I'm going to say "Free prize inside!" and it will be 4 potato chips |
| 20:39.10 | Shirik | and then I will sell them for $0.75 |
| 20:39.18 | Shirik | I will make millions |
| 20:39.31 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.31 | Thunder_Child | you would make even more if you could make a bag of air |
| 20:39.33 | Fisker | no* |
| 20:39.36 | Thunder_Child | but no |
| 20:39.39 | Thunder_Child | you cannot |
| 20:39.49 | Shirik | No see this business model is already proven |
| 20:39.56 | Shirik | potato chip companies already do this |
| 20:39.59 | Shirik | so obviously it is something people want |
| 20:40.50 | Fisker | i sneez'd Shirik |
| 20:40.51 | Thunder_Child | i get the feeling that someone is bitter |
| 20:40.56 | Thunder_Child | very bitter |
| 20:40.58 | Fisker | now you got swine flu :( |
| 20:41.01 | Shirik | it must be Fisker |
| 20:41.13 | Aelo | nah, you need a trout for that |
| 20:43.21 | Fisker | it's because you're racist |
| 20:44.29 | Shirik | I'm communistist |
| 20:47.28 | Shirik | I get to write a 10 page paper today |
| 20:47.33 | Shirik | think I can do it in an hour? |
| 20:47.50 | Shirik | I've already taken up a page just by writing out the headers for the outline, lol |
| 20:49.07 | foxlit | Are we talking \includepackage{fullpage} or your silly double spaced pages? |
| 20:49.28 | Thunder_Child | is there an addon that can supress pet nameplates? |
| 20:49.43 | Shirik | single spaced |
| 20:49.50 | Shirik | and I don't know what \includepackage{fullpage} is |
| 20:50.13 | foxlit | Margins, Shirik, margins. |
| 20:50.18 | Shirik | standard margins, etc. |
| 20:50.30 | foxlit | Standard LaTeX margins are big enough to fit an elephant. |
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| 20:50.40 | Shirik | Well I'm also not writing it in LaTeX :P |
| 20:50.48 | Shirik | just word |
| 20:50.51 | foxlit | Inexcusable. |
| 20:51.01 | Shirik | I don't think my professor knows what tex is |
| 20:51.59 | foxlit | owns no recent version of Office. |
| 20:52.10 | Shirik | gets Microsoft products for free |
| 20:52.25 | Aelo | free msdn access? :P |
| 20:52.26 | foxlit | Well, yes. But, mysteriously, not office. |
| 20:52.44 | foxlit | I don't see much of a reason to get it, though. |
| 20:52.44 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 20:52.56 | foxlit | Unless of course you're required to submit documents in .docx, which we're not. |
| 20:53.07 | Fisker | i just saw a segment on fox news where apparently we become terrorists by playing MW2 |
| 20:53.32 | foxlit | Fisker: no, not you; the children. |
| 20:53.53 | Fisker | i disagree |
| 20:55.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: what does it atter if you prof knows what tex is or not? |
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| 20:56.34 | Shirik | because if I gave him a document that, as foxlit says, is "big enough to fit an elephant" he would go "wtf" |
| 20:56.43 | Shirik | and I can't really use the excuse "but that's what you told me!" |
| 20:57.10 | NightHawkTheSane | who cares what the margins are? |
| 20:57.14 | NightHawkTheSane | what moron grades papers on that? |
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| 20:59.11 | foxlit | The entire line of reasoning does not make sense -- you're not prevented from using tex because your prof does not know what it is, and the margins are adjustable as per the original question. |
| 20:59.31 | foxlit | If he wants to edit your spelling afterwards, perhaps; but a PDF is generally universal. |
| 20:59.47 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 20:59.58 | NightHawkTheSane | i wrote all my college papers in latex |
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| 21:02.23 | Gnarfoz | fun, Blizzard's SSL cert for wowarmory.com expired yesterday. :D |
| 21:03.05 | foxlit | Really? |
| 21:03.31 | Industrial | why does the armory need SSL? You can't make any changes to your character there so where is the risk? or is it just to be cool... |
| 21:03.48 | foxlit | It doesn't use SSL, I think. |
| 21:03.55 | nevcairiel | You can view guild banks and modify your calendar |
| 21:04.00 | Industrial | ah, k |
| 21:04.26 | foxlit | But everything is still done through HTTP |
| 21:04.29 | Gnarfoz | yep, those |
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| 21:05.36 | Gnarfoz | you can use the normal stuff through ssl, too, though |
| 21:05.36 | foxlit | I suspect they needed it back when there was no battle.net login |
| 21:06.27 | nevcairiel | The certificate expired on 13.11.2009 21:05. The current time is 14.11.2009 22:06. |
| 21:06.30 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 21:06.34 | foxlit | Personally, I can't connect to their https version at all |
| 21:06.38 | nevcairiel | I can |
| 21:06.47 | foxlit | Firefox says "SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length." |
| 21:06.49 | nevcairiel | well i could, if i would accept the security exception |
| 21:07.06 | nevcairiel | i tried the eu version, though |
| 21:07.18 | foxlit | eu is better. |
| 21:11.03 | cbreak | Industrial: you log in with your password |
| 21:11.14 | cbreak | that alone is a good reason to use SSL |
| 21:11.19 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 21:11.30 | foxlit | cbreak: but you don't log in there. |
| 21:11.39 | foxlit | The log-in is done through SSL on another site. |
| 21:11.41 | nevcairiel | the login goes through battle.net now |
| 21:11.45 | cbreak | see? :) |
| 21:11.46 | cbreak | ssl |
| 21:11.57 | nevcairiel | yeah but not on the armory page |
| 21:12.17 | nevcairiel | in fact the page itself doesnt send you to SSL |
| 21:12.23 | nevcairiel | but you can use it |
| 21:12.39 | cbreak | if you start out on a non-ssl page |
| 21:12.45 | cbreak | you're vulnerable to MITM |
| 21:12.58 | cbreak | it could redirect you to log in on an other non-ssl page, therefore making any ssl worthless |
| 21:13.00 | foxlit | If you don't verify where you type your password, sure. |
| 21:13.05 | cbreak | exactly |
| 21:13.31 | foxlit | But meh, that's how things work anyway |
| 21:13.40 | cbreak | "This web site does not supply ownership information." |
| 21:13.49 | cbreak | for eu.battle.net |
| 21:14.07 | foxlit | I hesitate to ask what ownership information is. |
| 21:14.26 | cbreak | maybe that overly expensive EV? |
| 21:15.02 | nevcairiel | I wouldnt even know how to send those that browsers pick it up |
| 21:16.10 | durcyn | pretty sure it's just a different root CA |
| 21:16.22 | durcyn | also, it's only slightly less useless than normal ssl |
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| 21:16.50 | nevcairiel | they use a Thawte certificate, should be a good one |
| 21:17.06 | cbreak | well |
| 21:17.16 | durcyn | has microsoft patched any of their browsers against that null-prefix certificate vuln yet |
| 21:17.16 | cbreak | there's a quite serious flaw in ssl in the wild |
| 21:17.21 | cbreak | I think so |
| 21:17.24 | cbreak | but there's a new one |
| 21:17.34 | cbreak | something about session renegotiation |
| 21:18.09 | durcyn | also, creepy: email from newegg suggesting LCD monitors after i looked at a few on their site |
| 21:18.20 | nevcairiel | thats creepy? |
| 21:18.27 | durcyn | they're WATCHING WHAT I DO |
| 21:18.36 | nevcairiel | I get amazon mails about stuff i browsed for all the time |
| 21:18.42 | foxlit | durcyn: they KNOW what you THINK. |
| 21:19.17 | foxlit | Which is probably why you shouldn't be logged into those things while browsing. |
| 21:19.31 | nevcairiel | why not, a suggestion might be good :P |
| 21:20.18 | Industrial | while were on the big brotehr subject |
| 21:21.02 | Industrial | every dutch car is going to get some mechanics to measure how much and where it has driven in the netherlands, and then you pay for that instead of road/gas taxes. more driving = more paying |
| 21:22.30 | Industrial | and after that they will introduce extra taxing for driving during rush hour |
| 21:22.55 | nevcairiel | so figure out how it works and hack the numbers down :P |
| 21:23.03 | Industrial | thats the idea |
| 21:23.04 | krka | sounds pretty awesome :) |
| 21:23.16 | Industrial | they hacked the public transport pass system (RFID) pretty fast :p |
| 21:23.29 | nevcairiel | RFID is an insecure system, anyway |
| 21:23.42 | Industrial | I think taxing people for driving during rush hour is just fine (as I use public transport myself most of the time) but then they know where you're driving too :\ |
| 21:24.15 | nevcairiel | taxes on gas is good enough imho, gas converts to driving, anyway |
| 21:25.04 | Industrial | this is supposed to be more fair |
| 21:25.10 | Industrial | but meh. |
| 21:25.10 | cbreak | you can drive around without gas |
| 21:25.47 | Industrial | just saw out the floor of your car |
| 21:25.59 | nevcairiel | flintstoning your car, eh |
| 21:36.01 | Industrial | Is there a non-commercial solution to reading PDF on windows? |
| 21:37.11 | Industrial | I used to use foxit instead of adobe but they started to commercialize it :\ |
| 21:37.29 | zenzelezz | what do you mean by "commercial"? |
| 21:38.20 | Industrial | they are trying to sell it to me, install search bars, trials, all that crap |
| 21:38.36 | zenzelezz | and Adobe Reader does that too? |
| 21:39.08 | Industrial | I have no idea, haven't used it in years :p |
| 21:39.15 | zenzelezz | how come? |
| 21:39.26 | zenzelezz | I find it easier to just use that than search for decent alternatives |
| 21:40.48 | Industrial | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumatra_PDF |
| 21:40.51 | Industrial | lookie there |
| 21:45.10 | Industrial | We have a winner. |
| 21:45.45 | Industrial | now I can read Compilers - Principles, Techniques and Tools :p |
| 21:46.34 | cbreak | you could use ghostscript |
| 21:46.36 | nevcairiel | compiler theory is an annoying subject |
| 21:48.06 | Iriel | nevcairiel: it's fascinating and awesome! |
| 21:48.19 | nevcairiel | yet annoying |
| 21:49.12 | Industrial | I think I will find it very interesting. |
| 21:49.25 | nevcairiel | depends how theoretical it is |
| 21:50.05 | Shirik | compiler theory is very fun actually |
| 21:50.14 | Shirik | here's a strange concept |
| 21:50.21 | Shirik | for one class I wrote an "optimizing assembler" |
| 21:50.39 | nevcairiel | I could never get the hang of working with grammars |
| 21:50.39 | Shirik | which makes it not exactly an assembler, but it was fun anyway :P |
| 21:51.17 | Shirik | I will probably port it over to PIC eventually though |
| 21:51.27 | Shirik | because PIC devices could benefit immensely from it |
| 21:52.32 | nevcairiel | converting a grammar to LL(1) or similar to fit a certain parser, that always annoyed me |
| 21:52.57 | Shirik | Lua is LL(1) |
| 21:53.01 | Shirik | :D |
| 21:53.39 | nevcairiel | But hey, i passed the exam, so wut |
| 21:53.48 | nevcairiel | writing a simple compiler was more fun then the theoretical shit |
| 21:54.31 | Shirik | ANTLR kinda makes a lot of that moot these days |
| 21:54.39 | Shirik | It's fun stuff |
| 21:54.51 | Shirik | but most people will just use ANTLR to get what they need done |
| 21:55.04 | Gnarfoz | !api binding |
| 21:55.04 | lua_bot | Found 22 possible matches for 'binding'. Please be more specific |
| 21:55.05 | nevcairiel | yeah well they don't teach us how to use tools, they teach us how to write them yourself =P |
| 21:55.13 | Gnarfoz | !api setbinding |
| 21:55.13 | lua_bot | Found 5 possible results for 'setbinding': SetBinding, SetBindingClick, SetBindingMacro, SetBindingSpell, SetBindingItem |
| 21:55.18 | Shirik | of course :) |
| 21:55.21 | Gnarfoz | !api setbindingmacro |
| 21:55.21 | lua_bot | SetBindingMacro: Binds a key combination to run a macro (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SetBindingMacro) |
| 21:56.30 | Gnarfoz | hmm |
| 21:56.49 | Gnarfoz | not sure if I'm reading this right: can I not bind a key to just some button? |
| 21:57.04 | nevcairiel | SetBindingClick |
| 21:57.28 | nevcairiel | defines a binding to "click" a button |
| 21:57.58 | Gnarfoz | ah |
| 21:58.52 | DWSR | In a macro, is mouseover the target that your mouse is over? |
| 21:58.59 | DWSR | Or do you actually have to CLICK. |
| 21:59.13 | NightHawkTheSane | its the target your mouse is currently over |
| 21:59.24 | NightHawkTheSane | were you to click |
| 21:59.37 | NightHawkTheSane | mouseover would (most of the time) become also your target |
| 21:59.53 | Shirik | eh |
| 22:00.03 | Shirik | almost all of my mouseover macros do not agree with that statement |
| 22:00.06 | Shirik | s/almost// |
| 22:00.19 | NightHawkTheSane | which statement? |
| 22:00.25 | Shirik | (16:59:14) (NightHawkTheSane) mouseover would (most of the time) become also your target |
| 22:00.41 | DWSR | ok |
| 22:00.43 | Neocrypter | weird so I just followed the blizz show me the money tut to get a better feel for the basic principles and it dosent work :P gg Blizz |
| 22:00.53 | Shirik | because it's not the UNIT your mouse is over |
| 22:01.03 | Shirik | it's the focusable "thing" that your mouse is over. It could be a unit in the game world, sure |
| 22:01.07 | Shirik | but it can also be a unit frame |
| 22:01.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: er, assuming that mouseover IS in some what represents a unit |
| 22:01.23 | NightHawkTheSane | and you click |
| 22:01.32 | Shirik | then I will heal :) |
| 22:01.34 | Gnarfoz | Neocrypter: thewhat? |
| 22:01.36 | Shirik | target is shift click for me :P |
| 22:01.38 | NightHawkTheSane | barring addons, or what have you, you'll target your mouseover |
| 22:01.47 | DWSR | Ok |
| 22:01.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: quit being dumb |
| 22:01.54 | Neocrypter | the Blizzard ShowMeTheMoney Tutorial |
| 22:01.58 | Shirik | :( |
| 22:01.58 | DWSR | So what if I wanted to say.... click cast in a macro? |
| 22:02.10 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: JUST using a macro? |
| 22:02.11 | Shirik | The correction was somewhat important |
| 22:02.13 | DWSR | NHTS: Yes. |
| 22:02.14 | Shirik | it does not have to be a unit |
| 22:02.14 | Neocrypter | comes wiht the addon dev kit fromt here site |
| 22:02.24 | Neocrypter | er there site |
| 22:02.28 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: you'd do /cast [target=mouseover] Spell |
| 22:02.40 | DWSR | NHTS: But that doesn't involve the click part of click casting. |
| 22:02.41 | NightHawkTheSane | and then bind that macro to whatever you want to have trigger it |
| 22:02.42 | DWSR | Just the casting part. |
| 22:03.01 | DWSR | I want the explicit action of clicking involved. |
| 22:03.06 | Shirik | why? |
| 22:03.10 | Shirik | But you can do /click |
| 22:03.17 | DWSR | Because this macro is for a hunter in my guild, and she's fucking retarded. |
| 22:03.18 | Shirik | unless I'm misunderstanding you |
| 22:03.19 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont think you can do that with JUST a macro |
| 22:03.40 | Shirik | (17:02:54) (DWSR) Because this macro is for a hunter, and she's fucking retarded. |
| 22:03.41 | Shirik | fixt |
| 22:03.46 | DWSR | lol |
| 22:03.46 | Shirik | well |
| 22:03.49 | Shirik | s/and/thus/ |
| 22:04.01 | DWSR | Alright, here's what I (or she) wants. |
| 22:04.34 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not really aware of a way to capture clicks on a unit (or unitframe) and use it to cast a spell without an addon to assist |
| 22:04.47 | DWSR | She does it with her polymorph macro. |
| 22:04.55 | DWSR | apparently. |
| 22:05.06 | DWSR | Again, she is retarded. |
| 22:05.06 | NightHawkTheSane | can you get that macro from her and show it to me? |
| 22:05.08 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 22:05.09 | DWSR | yes, second. |
| 22:05.22 | Industrial | what could you possibly want as hunter, all you have to do is press 123456 123456 123456 and you will do top dps |
| 22:05.23 | NightHawkTheSane | because i dont think she actually knows what she's doing, or wants, then. :) |
| 22:06.01 | NightHawkTheSane | course, its also entirely possible i'm forgeting some clever macro syntax, *shrug* |
| 22:06.09 | Industrial | just put all the shots in 1-6 according to the well known priority queue, done. |
| 22:06.13 | DWSR | http://wowui.pastey.net/128643 |
| 22:06.33 | DWSR | Industrial: MD. |
| 22:06.35 | DWSR | kthx. |
| 22:07.01 | Industrial | I never MDed with a macro |
| 22:07.11 | DWSR | She wants to be able to because, as I said, she huntarded. |
| 22:07.13 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, there's no "clicking" implicit in that macro, except that she has to.. er.. click to target who she wants to poly and then click the macro |
| 22:07.37 | NightHawkTheSane | you could easily modify that for misdirect |
| 22:07.38 | Industrial | hows that different from clicking the target.. and then polying |
| 22:07.53 | DWSR | Industrial: Because the macro will focus cast. |
| 22:07.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Industrial: there's some voodoo in the macro to do stuff with focus |
| 22:07.58 | NightHawkTheSane | thats all |
| 22:08.14 | DWSR | If your focus exists and isn't dead, it focus casts poly. |
| 22:08.29 | DWSR | Else it stops your cast, sets your current target to focus and starts casting polymorph |
| 22:08.50 | DWSR | NHTS: The reason that I want the clicking involved is because she's going to be using the MD macro via Grid. |
| 22:09.20 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: *nod* for that you'll need an addon such as Clique to bind the action to the click |
| 22:09.30 | DWSR | That's what I told her. |
| 22:09.35 | DWSR | And she's like "I don't want to use that shit." |
| 22:09.37 | NightHawkTheSane | really, clique is STUPID easy to set up, she shouldn't have any issue with it |
| 22:09.41 | DWSR | And I just kidna rolled my eyes. |
| 22:09.45 | DWSR | NHTS: She's huntarded. |
| 22:09.50 | DWSR | She needs me to spoon feed EVERYTHING. |
| 22:10.03 | DWSR | And yes, huntarded is a fucking adjective, so get off my nuts. |
| 22:10.08 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, then she's just retarted, i dont think being a hunter has anything to do with it :P |
| 22:10.24 | DWSR | NHTS: Being a hunter automatically drops your IQ by about 75. |
| 22:10.31 | DWSR | IT's like reverse gift of the wild, only it works in real life.\ |
| 22:10.35 | NightHawkTheSane | only if it was above 75 to begin with :P |
| 22:10.44 | DWSR | NHTS: There is such a thing as negative IQ. |
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| 22:10.53 | NightHawkTheSane | there's also such thing as a joke ;) |
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| 22:11.08 | DWSR | Not in the case. |
| 22:11.22 | NightHawkTheSane | anyway |
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| 22:11.45 | NightHawkTheSane | there is, to my knowledge, no way to do true click casting without an addon |
| 22:11.48 | DWSR | ok |
| 22:11.59 | NightHawkTheSane | the closest youc an do is a mouseoer macro and trigger the macro with some keybind |
| 22:12.14 | NightHawkTheSane | can*, mouseover*, gah my typing sucks toay |
| 22:12.16 | NightHawkTheSane | today* |
| 22:13.01 | DWSR | ok |
| 22:13.02 | DWSR | I can do that. |
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| 22:14.11 | DWSR | What's the hostile condition? |
| 22:14.12 | DWSR | Hostile? |
| 22:14.30 | NightHawkTheSane | hrm |
| 22:14.31 | NightHawkTheSane | harm* |
| 22:14.36 | DWSR | harm, nvm. |
| 22:15.37 | DWSR | http://wowui.pastey.net/128645 <- so this is what I'd probably give her for an md macro? |
| 22:16.17 | Shirik | lol DWSR, you might like this |
| 22:16.21 | Gnarfoz | no need to do "#showtooltip Misdirect" |
| 22:16.28 | Gnarfoz | #showtooltip is enough |
| 22:16.35 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: I'm old school. |
| 22:16.39 | DWSR | As long as it firts. |
| 22:16.41 | DWSR | fits* |
| 22:16.45 | Shirik | I was talking to one of my old guild's members: (language warning) http://images.gammatester.com/pics/e9614a30f0db2eb7680f3842311c6914.png |
| 22:16.51 | Gnarfoz | there is only Misdirect in there |
| 22:16.58 | Shirik | They just added a few new members |
| 22:16.59 | Gnarfoz | and no, not as long as it's first |
| 22:17.00 | Shirik | it seems to be going well |
| 22:17.24 | Gnarfoz | #showtooltip + ? as icon = whatever is going to be cast will be the icon+tooltip |
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| 22:18.06 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: that looks like it'd work |
| 22:18.09 | DWSR | ok |
| 22:18.10 | DWSR | thanks NHTS. |
| 22:18.36 | NightHawkTheSane | np. |
| 22:18.52 | NightHawkTheSane | personally, i think clique is vastly easier than that, but *shrug* |
| 22:19.06 | NightHawkTheSane | shift-click on who i want to MD in grid, done! |
| 22:21.19 | DWSR | mhm |
| 22:21.21 | DWSR | But hey. |
| 22:21.22 | DWSR | whatever |
| 22:21.26 | foxlit | It may be different for hunters (+ raid leaders and curious people), but you probably aren't all that interested in having raid frames as a DPS class. |
| 22:22.08 | NightHawkTheSane | I like having grid on all my classes, but i guess thats just me |
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| 22:23.19 | DWSR | I like having raid frames on all my classes as well. |
| 22:23.26 | DWSR | Just gives me a sense of where the raid's at. |
| 22:23.36 | DWSR | Also, group buffs, etc. |
| 22:23.39 | DWSR | Like Heroic Presence. |
| 22:23.55 | foxlit | Meh, buffs aren't all that interesting. |
| 22:24.19 | foxlit | (And you don't care about them in combat, so the Raid social tab is sufficient) |
| 22:24.36 | foxlit | In terms of a sense of where the raid's at... *shudder* XRS should work. |
| 22:25.02 | NightHawkTheSane | true, but why have xrs when i already have grid? :P |
| 22:25.41 | foxlit | I'm not advocating XRS as much as some general raid status addon, which'd present that information in a more concise manner using less space. |
| 22:27.29 | foxlit | But hey, if you like raid frames, they're nice, too. |
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| 22:28.45 | ZorbaTHut | ancu, use a text editor that understands unix hardreturns :P |
| 22:29.46 | ScytheBlade1 | do you know how much it sucks working through a fire alarm, doing OT, on a saturday? :P |
| 22:29.54 | ScytheBlade1 | hint: a lot |
| 22:33.22 | zenzelezz | you're off-tanking a fire alarm? |
| 22:33.29 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 22:33.46 | foxlit | 1080p on YouTube? Whoah. |
| 22:33.55 | ScytheBlade1 | for about 10 minutes now |
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| 22:36.23 | foxlit | utterly kills flash performance on OS X. |
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| 22:41.21 | Lopeppeppy | is the topic, but she can't remember why she made the smart-a$$ comment.... |
| 22:41.25 | foxlit | "You have received the following alert from Windows Live Calendar provided by Windows Live Alerts Service" "[Your] birthday - Sunday, November 15, 2009" |
| 22:41.32 | foxlit | Thanks, Microsoft. I almost forgot. |
| 22:41.41 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy's always the topic |
| 22:41.45 | Lopeppeppy | Happy early birthday, foxlit! |
| 22:42.20 | foxlit | Thanks peppy :) |
| 22:42.43 | Lopeppeppy | I'm going to be re-arranging my apartment tomorrow, as a birthday present to you! |
| 22:42.48 | Lopeppeppy | Are you not flattered? |
| 22:43.37 | foxlit | I'm speechless. |
| 22:43.43 | Lopeppeppy | I thought you might be. |
| 22:44.19 | zenzelezz | why does he get to move in just because it's his birthday? |
| 22:44.23 | Shirik | :krka!n=krka@88.80.164.166 PRIVMSG #wowuidev :+weird, i could run the addon kit from anywhere +it detected where my install was |
| 22:44.23 | Shirik | :durcyn!n=durcyn@WoWUIDev/Durcyn PRIVMSG #wowuidev :+there's a registry key for it |
| 22:44.24 | Shirik | :Lopeppeppy!n=Lopeppep@141.222.29.18 PRIVMSG #wowuidev :+It eats kittens and small rodents. |
| 22:44.30 | Shirik | I don't know how those are related, but there you go :P |
| 22:44.47 | zenzelezz | Shirik: ugly logs fail |
| 22:44.51 | Shirik | blame Shiibot |
| 22:44.57 | Lopeppeppy | Huh. I don't know how they are related either, Shirik. I think it was me being random as normal. :) |
| 22:44.58 | foxlit | Needs more xml |
| 22:45.15 | zenzelezz | peppy was in a peppy mood IIRC |
| 22:45.21 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, I've discovered that it's too cold in the winter to sit near the window, so the couch and the dining room table have to swap. |
| 22:45.54 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.2.x ToC: 30200 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | "It eats kittens and small rodents." - Lopeppeppy | Happy birthday foxlit!! |
| 22:46.03 | zenzelezz | you should just come here, I have some very nice warm fleece blankets |
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| 22:46.57 | Cairenn | happy birthday foxlit :) |
| 22:47.16 | foxlit | Thanks Cairenn, Shirik, everyone :) |
| 22:48.25 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 22:48.41 | Lopeppeppy | I don't have hte money for a plane ticket, zenzelezz, but thanks. |
| 22:49.05 | Shirik | Welcome to SpringerLink. You have been recognized as: Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University-Daytona (700-16-019) |
| 22:49.06 | Shirik | o.o |
| 22:49.07 | Shirik | scary |
| 22:50.00 | kdtresh | a buddy of mine went to embry-riddle |
| 22:51.09 | zenzelezz | peppy keeps making up excuses not to visit :( |
| 22:51.19 | Lopeppeppy | I'm such an unreasonable chick. |
| 22:51.43 | Lopeppeppy | I've visited alestane, but he lives 4 hours away and was on my way to somewhere I was going. |
| 22:51.55 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:52.00 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, be nice. |
| 22:52.08 | Fisker | you got free fish? |
| 22:52.19 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, that was the nice? |
| 22:53.30 | foxlit | self:SetChecked("false"); |
| 22:53.34 | foxlit | I'm scared. |
| 22:54.23 | foxlit | [SpellBookFrame.lua:401] |
| 22:54.41 | Fisker | i want a district 9 sequel :( |
| 22:55.24 | Shirik | ok guys, question. I have this book. One place says the title is "Lecture Notes in Computer Science" |
| 22:55.30 | Industrial | Lopeppeppy: heh anoyne living in my country wont be more then 2.5 hours away from anyone else :p |
| 22:55.33 | Shirik | Amazon says the title is "Extreme Programming and Agile Methods - XP/Agile Universe 2004: 4th Conference on Extreme Programming and Agile Methods, Calgary, Canada, August 15-18, ... (Lecture Notes in Computer Science) (Paperback)" |
| 22:55.40 | Shirik | What should I put as the title >.> |
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| 22:55.52 | foxlit | Does this book have an ISBN? |
| 22:55.56 | Fisker | Computer Science III Shirik |
| 22:56.01 | Shirik | yes |
| 22:56.10 | foxlit | Look it up |
| 22:56.11 | Shirik | 978-3-540-22839-4 |
| 22:56.12 | Fisker | COMPUTER SCIENCE III |
| 22:56.13 | Shirik | where? |
| 22:56.16 | Shirik | I plugged it into amazon |
| 22:56.20 | Shirik | that's how I looked it up there :D |
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| 22:56.29 | Shirik | is there some official ISBN repository? |
| 22:56.36 | Ktron | Hey guys, anyone know if hit rating affects inidividual ticks of periodic damage, or just the original application? |
| 22:56.42 | Fisker | http://isbndb.com/d/book/extreme_programming_and_agile_methods_xp_agile_universe_2004.html |
| 22:56.46 | foxlit | http://www.springer.com/computer/programming/book/978-3-540-22839-4 ? |
| 22:56.55 | kd3 | ktron; it affects every tick |
| 22:56.59 | Fisker | But i still say Computer Science III |
| 22:57.16 | foxlit | I was oh-so-sure google did ISBN lookups, too. |
| 22:57.29 | foxlit | I'd go with amazon. |
| 22:57.34 | DWSR | ticks have a chance to get partially resisted. |
| 22:57.38 | Fisker | you wouldn't go with the publisher foxlit ? |
| 22:57.57 | foxlit | They're saying the same thing in this case, I think. |
| 22:58.03 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 22:58.09 | Fisker | I still say Computer Science III |
| 22:58.25 | Ktron | so a typical dot benefits from hit rating and but doesn't benefit from crit rating (unless there's a talent/glyph involved that lets it crit) |
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| 22:58.48 | foxlit | Ktron: currently, it benefits form neither by default. |
| 22:59.03 | foxlit | s/or/ro/ |
| 22:59.25 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 22:59.33 | Fisker | name your title Computer Science III |
| 22:59.36 | Fisker | and i will love you |
| 22:59.39 | DWSR | foxlit: Err? |
| 22:59.45 | Shirik | google does? |
| 22:59.47 | Shirik | wtf |
| 22:59.58 | DWSR | foxlit: Do you mean to say that a dot does not benefit extra from hit rating? |
| 23:00.13 | foxlit | That'd be silly, sorry. |
| 23:00.18 | foxlit | I misread it as "haste" |
| 23:00.19 | Shirik | rofl |
| 23:00.22 | Shirik | 978 - 3 540 228 394 = -3 540 227 416 |
| 23:00.23 | DWSR | There we go. |
| 23:00.30 | Shirik | it didn't do much of an ISBN lookup :D |
| 23:00.33 | Lopeppeppy | 867-5309! |
| 23:00.47 | DWSR | Ktron: Typical dots do not crit. An affliction lock's, spriests, and mages dots do. |
| 23:01.06 | Lopeppeppy | So what's left to be a "typical" dot? |
| 23:01.09 | Fisker | begs Shirik |
| 23:01.19 | Lopeppeppy | Moonkin...regular warlock... |
| 23:01.21 | Ktron | foxlit, really... SW:P, for example, is not affected by hit rating or crit rating unless a priest has Shadowform on, which adds the ability to crit. Does it also add the ability to 'miss'? |
| 23:01.44 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: bleeds, NPC DoTs perhaps? |
| 23:01.51 | foxlit | Ktron: it's affected by hit rating |
| 23:02.12 | foxlit | So your dots can miss, both the individual ticks and the entire application |
| 23:02.30 | DWSR | Is lastarget a UnitID? |
| 23:02.42 | Ktron | foxlit, but only with Shadowform on, if we're talking about SW:P as an example, as SW:P cannot crit without shadowform |
| 23:04.03 | foxlit | Ktron: no, all spell-based DoTs are affected by hit rating. |
| 23:04.05 | Fisker | gets on his knees |
| 23:04.08 | Fisker | pleeeeeeeeease Shirik |
| 23:04.09 | foxlit | Regardless of their ability to crit. |
| 23:04.31 | Ktron | foxlit, on every inidividual tick, regardless or whether the spell can crit |
| 23:04.33 | Shirik | pets Fisker |
| 23:04.42 | Industrial | Shirik: wash your hands afterwards. |
| 23:04.45 | foxlit | Ktron: AND on the initial application. |
| 23:05.03 | Ktron | foxlit, yes, I understand that, I know that hit/crit both apply to the initial application |
| 23:05.08 | Ktron | foxlit, regardless |
| 23:05.08 | Fisker | noo Shirik |
| 23:05.14 | Fisker | call it Computer Science III |
| 23:05.25 | foxlit | The ticks resist as well, iirc. |
| 23:05.42 | foxlit | I'll go find a dummy |
| 23:06.53 | Fisker | if you call it Computer Science III i'll commit suicide Shirik |
| 23:07.46 | Ktron | foxlit, I guess I'm surprised the dot-heavy classes don't focus more on hit then, because hit rating almost counts twice as much |
| 23:08.52 | foxlit | Hm, I'm only getting partial resists on the ticks. |
| 23:09.19 | Ktron | foxlit, if I have 75% chance to spell hit, ignoring resists and crits, that means that SW:D will miss entirely 25% of the time and still miss 25% of its ticks when it does it, so I'm only hitting at (75%)^2 of what someone at 100% hit would |
| 23:09.34 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 23:09.35 | Ktron | foxlit, what spell are you using? |
| 23:09.47 | Shirik | Beyer, H., Holtzblatt, K., & Baker, L. (2004). An Agile Customer-Centered Method: Rapid Contextual Design. In L. Lindstrom, C. Zannier, & H. Erdogmus (Eds.), Extreme Programming and Agile Methods - XP/Agile Universe 2004: 4th Conference on Extreme Programming and Agile Methods, Calgary, Canada, August 15-18 (Lecture Notes in Computer Science) (Vol. 3134, pp. 50-59). Berlin: Springer. |
| 23:09.49 | foxlit | Moonfire. It doesn't crit on the individual ticks. |
| 23:09.56 | Shirik | not Computer Science III |
| 23:11.35 | Ktron | foxlit, hm... |
| 23:11.53 | Fisker | i know Shirik |
| 23:12.01 | Fisker | but you must name it Computer Science III :( |
| 23:12.29 | Iriel | Agile eh |
| 23:12.55 | zenzelezz | I hate the "agile" concept |
| 23:13.07 | Ktron | foxlit, I couldn't find anything on this on wowwiki, I'm wondering how well identified thisa is |
| 23:13.08 | zenzelezz | coworker would never stop praising it, but he didn't follow it |
| 23:13.12 | Shirik | tbh |
| 23:13.14 | zenzelezz | don't think he even full understood it |
| 23:13.16 | Fisker | what's wrong with it eh? |
| 23:13.17 | Shirik | and this is what my paper is about |
| 23:13.34 | Iriel | I'm coming around to finding it has potential |
| 23:13.35 | Shirik | my paper drives down the fact that people that say they're doing agile processes are not actually doing them |
| 23:13.44 | Shirik | people think that agile means "Yay no requirements! Yay no design!" |
| 23:13.46 | Shirik | no, wrong |
| 23:13.56 | Shirik | I like agile a lot, when it's done properly |
| 23:14.03 | Fisker | if anything it's a lot more design :o |
| 23:14.05 | Iriel | I'm actually a Certified Scrummaster, whee |
| 23:14.08 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: eh, agile methodologies aren't intrinsicly poor, its a tool like anything else |
| 23:14.11 | Iriel | Though only as of last week |
| 23:14.14 | Shirik | We use the Crystal Clear process for one of my projects and like it a lot |
| 23:14.32 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: re-read what I said. I never disapproved of the actual concept, I just hate it because of my coworker |
| 23:14.44 | Lopeppeppy | Reminds me of the TQM craze from about 10 years ago. |
| 23:14.54 | zenzelezz | TQM? |
| 23:14.58 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: i dunno the "i hate the agile concept" seemed kind of like you disapproved of it :P |
| 23:14.59 | zenzelezz | what about XML? |
| 23:15.39 | Shirik | and, gotta admit, both Lockheed Martin and Boeing use agile software development :) |
| 23:15.49 | Fisker | anyways i'm gonna get the sleep i need |
| 23:15.54 | Fisker | but not the sleep that i deserve |
| 23:16.05 | Shirik | so we hope it works or we'll start seeing planes falling out of the sky |
| 23:16.26 | Ktron | foxlit, alright, time for me to do a test too |
| 23:16.37 | Fisker | not until j-day Shirik |
| 23:16.38 | zenzelezz | planes can fall out of the sky even if they don't use agile concepts |
| 23:16.47 | Fisker | nahuh zenzelezz |
| 23:17.03 | NightHawkTheSane | or, alternately, you can not use agile methods and still make good planes |
| 23:17.30 | Shirik | I don't think anyone disagrees with that |
| 23:18.02 | Ktron | foxlit, level 49 warlock casting corruption on a level 60 dummy, if takes like 10 casts to get a dot on the dummy and then it only is resisted (no misses) for all of the dots |
| 23:18.17 | Shirik | I think the statement was more of a "does agile development reduce the risk from no process" |
| 23:18.23 | Ktron | foxlit, so, unless adding the ability for a dot to crit also adds a chance to miss... |
| 23:18.24 | Shirik | or does agile == nothing |
| 23:19.10 | zenzelezz | lua> print (agile == nothing) |
| 23:19.11 | lua_bot | zenzelezz: true |
| 23:19.15 | zenzelezz | apparently |
| 23:21.08 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:21.21 | Shirik | anyway |
| 23:21.35 | Shirik | Myth #1: Agile processes do not ensure quality; Myth #2: Agile processes cannot be used by large teams; Myth #3: Agile teams do not need to perform requirements engineering |
| 23:22.03 | Iriel | Also "Scrum doesn't solve any problems; But it does tell you where your problems are" |
| 23:22.05 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 23:22.12 | Shirik | heh |
| 23:22.18 | Shirik | I'm not sure how to cite Iriel :) |
| 23:22.30 | Iriel | It's not my quote, I just passed it along from the trainer 8-) |
| 23:22.35 | foxlit | There so needs to be a "Do not throw an error, but call the error handler if one occurs" variant of pcall. |
| 23:23.44 | foxlit | I can't count how many times I've been shaking my first at the UIOptionsPanel infrastructure for hiding the errors generated by the various panel.stuff functions, yet I'm about to do more or less the same thing to my own plug-in code. |
| 23:24.06 | Shirik | foxlit.... what? |
| 23:24.11 | zenzelezz | hm, Rainman on TV... good times |
| 23:24.13 | nevcairiel | At least you can check the return value of pcall and forward the error to the errorhandler |
| 23:24.16 | Shirik | you want it to ignore error() calls? |
| 23:24.26 | Shirik | or you could use xpcall |
| 23:24.32 | Shirik | @ nevcairiel |
| 23:24.39 | foxlit | xpcall is flawed, unfortunately. |
| 23:24.44 | Shirik | arguments? |
| 23:24.50 | foxlit | Arguments. |
| 23:24.59 | Shirik | yeah |
| 23:25.14 | nevcairiel | yeah we worked aroudn that with dynamic closures in Ace3 |
| 23:25.16 | Shirik | I wish they would fix that |
| 23:25.27 | foxlit | I have an implementation to work around that as well, but meh. |
| 23:26.08 | nevcairiel | pcall and its cut-off stacktrace just was so annoying after some time |
| 23:26.15 | foxlit | It's a "plug-in code failed; should whine at it and continue without it" |
| 23:26.21 | foxlit | sort of situation. |
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| 23:27.55 | nevcairiel | Maybe someone can talk blizz into fixing xpcall for 4.0 |
| 23:28.03 | nevcairiel | sadly its not even patched in vanilla lua |
| 23:29.39 | haste | isn't it planned for 5.2? |
| 23:29.54 | haste | not like they are going to add much to 5.1, except bug fixes |
| 23:30.00 | foxlit | print(...) is doing acrobatics, really |
| 23:30.34 | nevcairiel | haste: i dunno, i just saw the patch on the mailing list, but it never got into any 5.1 (yet) |
| 23:30.51 | haste | nevcairiel: well, they are only maintaining 5.1.x as a bug fixes |
| 23:30.54 | nevcairiel | But blizzy upgrading to 5.2 is even more unlikely |
| 23:30.57 | haste | nevcairiel: new features will be added to 5.2 |
| 23:31.05 | haste | 5.2 isn't even released :p |
| 23:31.19 | nevcairiel | I know |
| 23:31.23 | nevcairiel | but even if it would be |
| 23:31.34 | haste | http://lua-users.org/wiki/LuaFiveTwo -- xpcall is listed as a feature there |
| 23:32.42 | nevcairiel | hm some nice things in there |
| 23:33.33 | nevcairiel | but will probably be some more years :P |
| 23:34.10 | jnwhiteh | they're trying to convince Roberto to release a working version of 5.2, but no dice yet. |
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| 23:41.36 | foxlit | Some methods to allow you to look inside textures for 4.0 would be nice |
| 23:41.45 | nevcairiel | inside textures? |
| 23:41.51 | foxlit | Not that that's a productive way to spend your time, but it'd still be nice. |
| 23:42.00 | foxlit | nevcairiel: something like texture:GetPixelRGB(x, y) |
| 23:42.28 | foxlit | I'd be nice to be able to find the predominant color of some icon, for example. |
| 23:46.40 | Lopeppeppy | Why? You can't tell by looking whether it's mostly-green or mostly-red? |
| 23:46.53 | Shirik | oh god |
| 23:46.59 | Shirik | I really hope they don't add bitwise operators to Lua 5.2 |
| 23:47.18 | foxlit | Lopeppeppy: I can tell by looking; I'd like addons to be able to tell programmatically. |
| 23:47.30 | nevcairiel | Shirik: why not? |
| 23:47.38 | Lopeppeppy | Why, foxlit? |
| 23:47.53 | Shirik | Because there's already a library for it, and they will probably implement it like that library, which, while it works, I find to be a very slow way of doing it |
| 23:48.20 | foxlit | Lopeppeppy: graphical issues -- things like highlighting a spell icon as checked look awkward in some situations. |
| 23:48.24 | Shirik | I have been working on a better way of doing it for x86 architectures, just haven't had the time to finalize it |
| 23:48.36 | foxlit | For instance, ButtonFacade's blue glow around my mount icon is just pathetic. |
| 23:48.46 | nevcairiel | they said they would implement it as a library, just in the stdlib |
| 23:48.53 | nevcairiel | so no operators |
| 23:48.54 | Shirik | I don't feel Lua is a language that is conducive to bitwise operations |
| 23:49.13 | nevcairiel | just think of it as bitlib distributed in the core |
| 23:49.16 | kd3 | Yssaril, hi |
| 23:49.19 | Shirik | right, but bitlib does it poorly |
| 23:49.32 | Shirik | bitlib does it a /standard/ way, but standard != efficient |
| 23:49.38 | Yssaril | kd3: hi |
| 23:49.41 | nevcairiel | well its open source, i bet they appreciate patches =P |
| 23:49.54 | Shirik | But the patch would require decision over whether this is an x86 system or not |
| 23:50.01 | Shirik | they tend not to appreciate patches like that |
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| 23:50.48 | Shirik | I could probably convince Mike to use my mechanism in LuaJIT for Lua 5.2 if it were to come out, but probably not Lua core |
