| 00:03.07 | Adys | http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=1534 |
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| 00:05.36 | cogwheel | i just got a single wave invitation to send out if anyone needs it... |
| 00:06.04 | Adys | I have 6 left if anyone needs them. |
| 00:06.45 | Cairenn | I think Dolby is still looking for one |
| 00:06.58 | Cairenn | pokes Dolby |
| 00:07.02 | Adys | pm me your email if anyone needs it |
| 00:07.36 | Dolby | ohh you have a extra wave invite? :) |
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| 00:08.38 | Adys | there 3 left |
| 00:11.16 | cogwheel | THERE ARE FOUR LIGHTS! |
| 00:12.47 | KarlKFI|work | lol, found my most awesome vid ever.... and by awesome i mean terrible |
| 00:12.49 | KarlKFI|work | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4123044709611719596# |
| 00:13.13 | KarlKFI|work | i soloed nef as prot (not sure why it says ret) |
| 00:13.21 | KarlKFI|work | but it's a terrible vid as wow vids go |
| 00:13.29 | KarlKFI|work | cause it doesn't even have my ui lol |
| 00:13.46 | Adys | how do you remove contacts from wave? |
| 00:14.14 | Adys | this whole mailing list thing gets annyoing |
| 00:14.16 | Adys | annoying even |
| 00:14.37 | cogwheel | manage contacts? |
| 00:14.52 | Adys | I dont want to remove them from my google contacts |
| 00:14.54 | Adys | just off wave |
| 00:15.10 | Adys | if i remove off google contacts, gmail takes it.. personally |
| 00:15.29 | Lunessa | Ok.. I'm out of here. If I have to work early tomorrow and half of sat, I can go home early. So I am. Ciao tutti |
| 00:15.32 | Jerub | yeah, contacts in wave suck. |
| 00:15.44 | Jerub | i have people there i have no idea who they are, because they're on mailing lists that i read in google mail. |
| 00:15.52 | Adys | ya |
| 00:15.55 | Jerub | I've got randall fucking munros google wave. |
| 00:16.32 | Adys | neat. |
| 00:16.57 | cogwheel | yeah, i think it's kinda stupid the way they so closely linked the google accounts with the wave accounts |
| 00:17.12 | Adys | no |
| 00:17.14 | Adys | the issue is |
| 00:17.18 | Adys | they're linked, somewhat |
| 00:17.20 | Adys | but not entirely |
| 00:17.46 | Adys | man windows is bad |
| 00:18.14 | Jerub | cogwheel: i think it's stupid how they're a different name :/ |
| 00:21.25 | airtonix | tempted to blow away my win7 install and try karmic koala |
| 00:21.36 | cogwheel | apart from overloaded operators, is there ever a case in C++ where x.y and x->y are both meaningful? |
| 00:23.27 | cogwheel | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.10 | Jerub | airtonix: virtualisation ftw. |
| 00:24.34 | cogwheel | and/or dual boot |
| 00:24.48 | airtonix | i have virtual-box installed, but i now have this pointless win7 partition since i stopped playing aion |
| 00:26.09 | Cairenn | Jerub: got my invite, thank you :) |
| 00:26.54 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: You know what's fun about overtime? |
| 00:27.04 | Shirik | When you do while making a ton already :D |
| 00:27.49 | cogwheel | usually when you're making a ton it's not hourly :P |
| 00:27.59 | Shirik | you do when you're an intern! |
| 00:28.01 | Dolby | whoa, just got my invide now... thought it took a couple days... |
| 00:28.05 | Dolby | err invite |
| 00:30.26 | Cairenn | Dolby: Jerub only sent my invite yesterday and I've already got it - they seem to be coming through a lot faster now :) |
| 00:31.11 | Shirik | I need sleep |
| 00:31.13 | Shirik | night |
| 00:31.20 | Cairenn | night Shirik, sweet dreams |
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| 00:35.03 | KarlKFI|work | got mine :) |
| 00:35.04 | Kraps | crysis is 50% off. I HATE YOU STEAM |
| 00:35.23 | KarlKFI|work | lol Kraps, tempting? |
| 00:36.45 | Kraps | KarlKFI|work: hell yeah, i bought mass effect last week when it was $10 |
| 00:36.54 | KarlKFI|work | i should have |
| 00:37.05 | KarlKFI|work | still havent played that |
| 00:37.21 | KarlKFI|work | but i've bought 6 games in the last month.... |
| 00:37.33 | KarlKFI|work | 2 left to beat |
| 00:37.43 | KarlKFI|work | er, 3 |
| 00:39.45 | KarlKFI|work | is lonely with his empty wave inbox |
| 00:40.04 | Jerub | KarlKFI|work: what's your wave id? |
| 00:40.14 | KarlKFI|work | i bet you could guess! |
| 00:41.12 | Jerub | KarlKFI|work: i'm bad at guessing |
| 00:41.27 | KarlKFI|work | -_- |
| 00:42.07 | Jerub | :( |
| 00:42.18 | Jerub | bah, just ping me, stephen.thorne@googlewave.com |
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| 00:42.26 | KarlKFI|work | did you not play enough go fish when you were a kid? |
| 00:42.45 | Jerub | unless you're karlmw |
| 00:43.31 | KarlKFI|work | why would i be karlmw |
| 00:44.01 | WobWork | http://xkcdexplained.com/ |
| 00:45.15 | NightHawkTheSane | im going to go out on a crazy limb and say you're karlkfi@googlewave.com? |
| 00:45.41 | KarlKFI|work | ding ding ding! |
| 00:45.58 | NightHawkTheSane | must be psychic |
| 00:46.12 | Kraps | WobWork: cool |
| 00:46.12 | KarlKFI|work | hmmm... i lost that wave i was on... |
| 00:49.47 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: the author's disdainful commentary is vaguely amusing.. |
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| 01:09.25 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ http://blue.mmo-champion.com/27/21042556056-is-this-a-joke.html |
| 01:15.01 | Dewin | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/21042556396-bornakk.html is pretty good too |
| 01:21.18 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: it's kinda like xkcdsucks, but not as vitriolic |
| 01:21.48 | WobWork | but honestly, I don't think you -can- 'explain' xkcd without some level of scathing disregard unless you want to sound like a total fanboi |
| 01:22.08 | theorbtwo | Eh. Sometimes you can, sometimes you can't. |
| 01:22.36 | WobWork | cause it'd end up with masses of "omg, Randall's so FUNNEH! He deliberately put <X> into the comic as a SUBTLE REFERENCE to <Y>!" |
| 01:22.37 | theorbtwo | Little bobby tables, for example, you can explain pretty simply. |
| 01:23.07 | NightHawkTheSane | or RPS. |
| 01:23.07 | WobWork | theorbtwo: oh of course, but there -will- be some scathe across the entire project |
| 01:23.29 | NightHawkTheSane | or, you know most of the ones involving juxtaposition of seomething.. which is a fair bit |
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| 01:43.10 | Adys | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_uX5eC7LD5ro/SuAhqlKcBQI/AAAAAAAAAAc/SXO1XXFYexw/s1600-h/welcome+to+alganon.jpg |
| 01:43.15 | Adys | look familiar? vaguely? |
| 01:43.19 | ZorbaTHut | wob, I think that's true with pretty much all humor though |
| 01:43.32 | ZorbaTHut | no jokes survive after being explained. |
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| 01:43.58 | Antiarc | This is amazing |
| 01:43.59 | Antiarc | http://blog.eldergoth.com/2009/10/alganon-nda-lifted-here-are-my-thoughts.html |
| 01:44.07 | Adys | Antiarc: old |
| 01:45.55 | airtonix | lol even the actionbar icons look amazingly similar |
| 01:46.04 | Adys | That key icon on the far left? It's only there because WoW has a keyring with that button. Alganon doesn't have a keyring but they forgot to remove the icon when they copied the UI design. |
| 01:48.14 | ZorbaTHut | personally I don't see a game-design problem with copying the WoW interface pretty closely, since the fact is that it works very well. on the other hand, it's probably a good idea to have interesting game mechanics besides "wow, but crappier" |
| 01:48.40 | Adys | I do |
| 01:48.40 | airtonix | wings lol |
| 01:48.53 | Adys | the wow UI isn't exactly good |
| 01:48.57 | Adys | base UI that is |
| 01:49.00 | Antiarc | There's a line between "interface inspired by the things that make WoW work" and "full-scale ripoff because we don't have any clue how to design an interface" |
| 01:49.10 | ZorbaTHut | adys, it's not *great*, but it's functional and intuitive and people are used to it |
| 01:49.25 | Adys | its intuitive, functional is something else |
| 01:49.33 | airtonix | at least wow has its interface api |
| 01:49.33 | ZorbaTHut | antiarc, sure, I just don't see why either side of that line is particularly bad |
| 01:49.51 | Antiarc | Because one side is plagarism? |
| 01:49.58 | Antiarc | I mean, the same thing applies to website designs |
| 01:50.03 | Antiarc | Plagarizing one will get you sued |
| 01:50.05 | ZorbaTHut | I said in a game-design sense, not in a legal sense |
| 01:50.21 | ZorbaTHut | in a legal sense, it'll have to be fought over by lawyers. |
| 01:50.31 | Antiarc | Well, robbing a bank makes sense from an economic standpoint. Doesn't make it a good idea. |
| 01:50.45 | Adys | I'm against design property |
| 01:50.50 | ZorbaTHut | actually, it's arguable that from a deeper economic standpoint, it doesn't make sense |
| 01:50.52 | Adys | and I'm a designer myself |
| 01:51.04 | ZorbaTHut | since your chance of being caught is high, and the penalty is extraordinary if you are |
| 01:51.36 | Adys | but I dont think you should be able to claim property rights over something that looks or feels better than something else |
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| 01:51.48 | ZorbaTHut | adys, I agree, personally |
| 01:52.36 | Adys | for example, I dunno who was the first guy who thought that clicking on a column in a table could sort it |
| 01:53.08 | Antiarc | I don't think design -concepts- should be property. |
| 01:53.15 | Adys | its an extremely handy UI feature, and one that today could be claimed as property if there wasn't a couple hundred thousand apps/websites with that feature |
| 01:53.27 | Antiarc | But actual designs? Those are art, and should be protected similarly |
| 01:54.14 | Adys | Antiarc: first i think property rights over art are way out of line |
| 01:54.27 | Adys | property rights in general actually but point being |
| 01:54.40 | Adys | take a website |
| 01:55.06 | Adys | if it achieves the same function as another website |
| 01:55.19 | Adys | its bound to have similarities |
| 01:55.42 | Adys | particularly when, for example, you want to stay in a specific context (game-related, etc) |
| 01:55.42 | Antiarc | I'm not arguing against similarity |
| 01:55.46 | Antiarc | I'm arguing against direct copies |
| 01:56.01 | Adys | those are stupid |
| 01:56.48 | Adys | there should be regulation against someone copying an unsuccessful but potentially good idea/design/art and making tons of money out of it |
| 01:56.51 | Antiarc | I mean, hell, Alganon has a keyring button and no keyring. |
| 01:57.06 | Antiarc | What conceivable purpose is there for that other than "We just copied WoW wholesale"? |
| 01:57.15 | Adys | who the hell cares if some random dude copies a successful product and never makes a penny? |
| 01:57.30 | Adys | as the author said in that blog post |
| 01:57.36 | Adys | its not even worth suing them |
| 01:57.51 | Antiarc | It may not be worth suing them, but it doesn't make them any less wrong for the ripoff. |
| 01:58.22 | Antiarc | I mean, look at SWG. It's NGE was basically "WoW in space!" but it was a derivative, rather than a direct copy, so while it may have been transparent, it wasn't plaragism |
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| 01:58.50 | ZorbaTHut | antiarc, define "wrong", though. |
| 01:59.08 | Adys | I don't see whats "wrong" in making a direct copy that will eventually be pointless anyway |
| 01:59.09 | ZorbaTHut | legally dubious, definitely. morally dubious? depends on your morals. financially sensible? probably. |
| 01:59.21 | Antiarc | Not right? Outside the bounds of accepted societal boundaries? Do we need to get into philosophy? |
| 01:59.26 | Adys | for example |
| 01:59.53 | Adys | some guy takes a screenshot of the wow basic interface |
| 01:59.56 | ZorbaTHut | well, if you're going to use phrases like "wrong", then yes, apparently we do :) |
| 02:00.11 | ZorbaTHut | I don't consider it to be outside moral bounds, personally. |
| 02:00.13 | Adys | modifies it in mspaint |
| 02:00.15 | Adys | and shows it to his friends saying "Look, i designed an interface" |
| 02:00.52 | Adys | that makes it "wrong" somewhat because he's copying something and taking the credit for it |
| 02:01.00 | Adys | but nobody is ever gonna care |
| 02:01.23 | Adys | now |
| 02:01.27 | Adys | if it were the other way around |
| 02:01.34 | Adys | some guy designs an interface, shows it to a couple of friend |
| 02:01.51 | Adys | blizzards sees it, and copies it for wow and makes shittons of $$$ with it |
| 02:01.55 | Adys | now THAT is wrong |
| 02:02.32 | Adys | replace "some guy and a couple of friends" by "some dev and a couple of gullible customers" |
| 02:02.38 | Adys | and you got that mmo |
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| 02:04.09 | ZorbaTHut | I dunno, personally I'm not convinced even that is wrong |
| 02:04.26 | ZorbaTHut | irritating, perhaps, but not "wrong". |
| 02:04.31 | Adys | its taking advantage of someone else |
| 02:04.52 | Jerub | sorry, just had a look at it. |
| 02:05.00 | Adys | in my book, taking advantage of someone else is wrong |
| 02:05.00 | ZorbaTHut | No, it's copying something which, in your hypothetical example, is available to be copied. |
| 02:05.22 | Jerub | my carefactor just plummetted. it's a wow ui rippoff, wow gameplay rippoff, and done badly. it will never succeed. I'm sure bliz will look at it, laugh, and ignore it. |
| 02:05.28 | ZorbaTHut | People don't have the guaranteed right to make money off their products, nor should they. Sometimes it makes sense to loosen things like that for the good of all. |
| 02:05.39 | Adys | the problem with copyright is exactly this |
| 02:06.00 | Jerub | I would kill to have a game that took wow and added fun gameplay, a wow/puzzlepirates mashup would be awesome. |
| 02:06.31 | Jerub | 20% change means copyright doesn't apply, if I recall what i was told like, 15 years ago, correctly. |
| 02:06.39 | Adys | its supposed to protect someone who has created something good but not succeeded with it |
| 02:06.40 | ZorbaTHut | personally I'd consider giving a kidney for a WoW/Eve/PP combo |
| 02:06.56 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: between us we can give two kidneys. |
| 02:07.08 | Jerub | I'll phone my guy at 3rings, you know anyone at eve or bliz? |
| 02:07.20 | ZorbaTHut | I've actually sat down and come up with some design plans for exactly that, and maybe twenty years from now I'll have the resources to make it ;) |
| 02:07.29 | Adys | PP? |
| 02:07.35 | ZorbaTHut | puzzle pirates |
| 02:07.40 | Jerub | Adys: puzzle pirates. It's the MMOArrrrPG |
| 02:07.55 | Adys | I just googled puzzle pirrrates |
| 02:07.57 | Adys | all your fault |
| 02:08.20 | Jerub | Adys: PP is a java MMO, no levels, and skills are based on your /actual skill/ at doing puzzles. |
| 02:08.46 | Jerub | want the ship to sail faster? puzzle better and get more combos. |
| 02:09.01 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, not only that, but it's a full-PvP game that still allows casual players to not get screwed over, it's got a surprisingly deep crafting and resource system, *and* it's got a rather major social metagame built up with game mechanics |
| 02:09.04 | Adys | yeah reading up |
| 02:09.05 | ZorbaTHut | they really did a glorious job designing it |
| 02:09.17 | Adys | very cute |
| 02:09.17 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: I was an avid player for like 2 years. |
| 02:09.33 | ZorbaTHut | I don't know of any other MMORPG that caters to both casual players and hardcore players so effectively. |
| 02:09.38 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: i also have a checkout somewhere of a protocol shim we used to extract market data. |
| 02:09.58 | Jerub | (same shim was used to make far too much money on the treasure drop puzzle too) |
| 02:10.27 | ZorbaTHut | man, that's the exact thing I want in order to try my hand at running a shop :P |
| 02:10.36 | ZorbaTHut | a friend of mine built a Treasure Drop screenscraping AI |
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| 02:11.00 | markl_ | what is a mod to use that will put the loot window under my cursor instead of the upper left corner? |
| 02:11.02 | ZorbaTHut | completely obliterated players, it was totally unfair. IMHO TD is possibly the worst game they have :P |
| 02:11.39 | Jerub | it is. |
| 02:11.57 | Jerub | it's deterministic. it should never have been implemented. |
| 02:12.17 | Jerub | personally i hate bilging the most. |
| 02:12.20 | ZorbaTHut | I don't know how recently you've played, but if you haven't tried Rigging or Foraging I quite like them both |
| 02:12.29 | Jerub | i've only gone back to play texas hold'em in the last 12 months ;) |
| 02:12.39 | Jerub | i don't know rigging but foraging is fun. |
| 02:12.46 | ZorbaTHut | rigging is basically an alternative to sailing |
| 02:12.49 | markl_ | quickloot maybe? |
| 02:12.52 | ZorbaTHut | which I am quite happy about because I always hated sailing |
| 02:13.14 | Jerub | playing hold'em in PP is great because it's the closest thing to playing it with real money |
| 02:13.38 | Jerub | if you play on a 'play money' online service then you get a different playstyle to people who understand the value of their cash. |
| 02:14.07 | Jerub | pieces of eight are valuable enough to poker players in PP that they don't play like idiots most of the time. |
| 02:14.50 | Jerub | (And I've managed to have some glorious games against idiots in PP) |
| 02:15.33 | Jerub | three times now i've had a moron who comes along and just goes "ALL IN" to get the minimum bets from the first round. by baiting them until you have a pocket pair, you can clean them out. ;) |
| 02:15.55 | Jerub | wait. i'm poker geeking. sorry. |
| 02:16.02 | ZorbaTHut | I've thought about trying to learn poker on PP, it seems like a reasonably fun way of doing it |
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| 02:18.16 | Venim | can anyone point me to a basic addon tutorial |
| 02:18.27 | Venim | i just want a message based addon |
| 02:18.31 | cbreak | there's a very basic that's part of the addon kit |
| 02:18.34 | Venim | i.e. 'hello world' |
| 02:18.38 | Venim | i don't have wow installed |
| 02:18.40 | Venim | nor do i want to |
| 02:18.49 | cbreak | good luck debugging then :) |
| 02:18.53 | NightHawkTheSane | then whats the point? |
| 02:18.56 | Venim | i shouldn't really need to debug |
| 02:18.58 | Venim | NightHawkTheSane: other people? |
| 02:19.06 | Venim | i can debug the lua separately |
| 02:19.06 | cbreak | sure you do |
| 02:19.12 | Venim | all i need to do is print the message |
| 02:19.16 | cbreak | no |
| 02:19.21 | cbreak | lua itself is very lean |
| 02:19.26 | Venim | yeah, i know |
| 02:19.28 | cbreak | you won't get anywhere without the bliz api |
| 02:19.37 | cbreak | and standard lua doesn't have that for obvious reasons |
| 02:19.41 | Venim | i just need to know how to print a message |
| 02:19.51 | Venim | and respond to a slash command |
| 02:19.53 | cbreak | depends |
| 02:20.02 | cbreak | in wow, you can print to the chat frame |
| 02:20.13 | cbreak | with DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("sometext") |
| 02:20.15 | cbreak | I think |
| 02:20.16 | Venim | i've played wow before, so i sort of understand it |
| 02:20.21 | ZorbaTHut | yeah you're gonna have a lot of trouble debugging without access to WoW :P |
| 02:20.25 | Venim | well, that's why i would like a small tutorial |
| 02:20.30 | Venim | just to show the basics |
| 02:20.39 | Venim | because the rest should just be lua, which i can do wihtout an issue |
| 02:20.42 | Adys | Venim: theres plenty of tuts on wowwiki |
| 02:20.44 | Venim | the wow part is just the IO |
| 02:20.47 | cbreak | slash commands are trickier |
| 02:20.49 | Adys | and an api listing on wowprogramming.com |
| 02:20.51 | Venim | i looked, couldn't find one |
| 02:20.58 | Cairenn | okay, I have a question - if you aren't playing Wow, why are you trying to make an addon for it? |
| 02:21.05 | Venim | other people play wow? |
| 02:21.07 | Venim | that i know |
| 02:21.09 | cbreak | but I bet, you won't get anywhere |
| 02:21.12 | Adys | http://www.google.gr/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=wowwiki+hello+world |
| 02:21.17 | cbreak | without access to the WoW api |
| 02:21.23 | Adys | Creating a slash command - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of ... |
| 02:21.23 | Adys | Pick HELLOWORLD as the unique identifier. -- 2. ... |
| 02:21.23 | Adys | www.wowwiki.com/Creating_a_slash_command |
| 02:21.24 | Venim | i understand that |
| 02:21.24 | Cairenn | what are you trying to get it to say, what command are you wanting it to follow? |
| 02:21.29 | Venim | but the wow api is elswhere |
| 02:21.41 | Adys | man |
| 02:21.42 | Venim | Cairenn: similar to an ircbot |
| 02:21.50 | Adys | why the hell am i still recommending wowwiki |
| 02:21.50 | Venim | just using wow as an io |
| 02:21.53 | Cairenn | Venim: to whit? |
| 02:21.55 | Venim | Adys: i was on there |
| 02:21.59 | Venim | i just didn't see anything |
| 02:22.01 | Adys | piece of crap manages to freeze chrome tab |
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| 02:22.20 | Cairenn | Venim: okay, ircbot, for what purpose? |
| 02:22.31 | Venim | timing rubik's cubes |
| 02:22.31 | Cairenn | what are you trying to get it to do? |
| 02:22.34 | Cairenn | specifics |
| 02:22.45 | Venim | getting a scramble |
| 02:22.47 | Venim | and starting a timer |
| 02:22.50 | Venim | and stopping a timer |
| 02:22.52 | cbreak | haha |
| 02:22.54 | cbreak | timer in wow? |
| 02:22.57 | cbreak | good luck :) |
| 02:23.11 | cbreak | you'll have to hook onupdate or something similarly horrid |
| 02:23.17 | Venim | nah |
| 02:23.21 | Adys | yeah you're gonna have to use a lib for timers otherwise you'll be in hell |
| 02:23.22 | Venim | i just need start and stop values |
| 02:23.30 | cbreak | values don't run |
| 02:23.34 | cbreak | so you can't start or stop them |
| 02:23.37 | Venim | yo ucan't store anything? |
| 02:23.41 | Venim | as a variable? |
| 02:23.45 | cbreak | sure you can |
| 02:23.48 | Venim | exactly |
| 02:23.51 | Venim | starttime=x |
| 02:23.54 | Venim | endtime=x |
| 02:23.56 | Venim | y* |
| 02:23.57 | Adys | cbreak: i think he means get the time and calculate time spent |
| 02:24.01 | Venim | time = y-x |
| 02:24.02 | Venim | print time |
| 02:24.05 | Venim | BAM |
| 02:24.10 | cbreak | hmm. that's not a timer |
| 02:24.18 | Venim | yes it is |
| 02:24.22 | Adys | .. its not |
| 02:24.24 | Venim | this isnt' wow based |
| 02:24.29 | Venim | this is for timing rubik's cube solving |
| 02:24.34 | Venim | for people who play wow and solve cubes |
| 02:24.41 | cbreak | that's more like a stopwatch |
| 02:24.42 | Venim | i'm just seeing if its possible |
| 02:24.48 | Venim | yeah, a stopwatch is all i need |
| 02:24.59 | Venim | like i said, this addon needs very little wow interface |
| 02:25.02 | Venim | other than I/O |
| 02:25.04 | Adys | you can use the builtin wow stopwatch if thats possible |
| 02:25.12 | Venim | why bother? |
| 02:25.13 | Adys | dont know what they did with it |
| 02:25.15 | Venim | just use lua time |
| 02:25.24 | Adys | you wont have that |
| 02:25.32 | ZorbaTHut | why not, I don't know, use a non-WoW stopwatch? |
| 02:25.38 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, I know a guy who solves rubik's cubes for fun |
| 02:25.45 | Venim | because people are sometimes lazy |
| 02:25.46 | cbreak | doesn't wow have a built in stopwatch already? |
| 02:25.47 | ZorbaTHut | at no point has he ever said "oh man, I wish I had a stopwatch, I'd better go buy WoW" |
| 02:25.50 | cbreak | I haven't used it though |
| 02:25.54 | ZorbaTHut | cbreak, yeah, it does |
| 02:25.59 | Venim | ZorbaTHut: some people do both though |
| 02:26.09 | Venim | so if they are playing wow, and want to solve a cube, why go get a stopwatch |
| 02:26.13 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, but some people cook and play WoW |
| 02:26.20 | ZorbaTHut | that doesn't mean you need a recipe book inside WoW |
| 02:26.20 | Venim | but can you cook in wow? |
| 02:26.26 | cbreak | ZorbaTHut: I have a cookbook addon for wow |
| 02:26.35 | ZorbaTHut | cbreak, goddammit that did not help my argument >:( |
| 02:26.35 | Venim | don't tell me what other people don't want |
| 02:26.44 | Venim | because they already told me they would want it |
| 02:26.49 | Venim | i'm jsut seeing how difficult it would be to make |
| 02:26.50 | Adys | Venim: are you doing an addon that is going to show a rubik's cube on screen and let you solve it? |
| 02:26.53 | Venim | no |
| 02:27.02 | Venim | it provides a random scramble |
| 02:27.05 | Venim | and lets you start/stop it |
| 02:27.12 | Venim | a stopwatch* |
| 02:27.14 | cbreak | scramble? |
| 02:27.23 | Venim | yeah, we use computer generated scrambles |
| 02:27.30 | cbreak | describe how they look |
| 02:27.31 | Legorol | ok let's mediate this conversation a little :) to anyone that thinks Venim is not entitled to write whatever addon he wants, he sure is |
| 02:27.39 | Venim | 21:27:36 < Venim> 3x3 Scramble #1901: F' L R' F B L2 D' F' R U2 L' U2 F B' R' F L2 R2 U2 F' R2 L2 F U' F' |
| 02:27.47 | Legorol | to Venim: you are discounting the vast experience that people here have not only about WoW but Lua too, so start listening to them |
| 02:27.48 | cbreak | simple text |
| 02:27.51 | cbreak | should be easy |
| 02:28.08 | cbreak | but solving them is easy too |
| 02:28.10 | Venim | Legorol: i'm not discounting anyone, but no one answered my original question |
| 02:28.12 | cbreak | just go backwards |
| 02:28.21 | cbreak | Venim: sure we did |
| 02:28.21 | Venim | for a basic hello world tutorial for lua |
| 02:28.28 | cbreak | just get the addon toolkit |
| 02:28.32 | cbreak | send it to your friend |
| 02:28.32 | Venim | that wasn't in the addon toolkit |
| 02:28.35 | cbreak | let him extract it |
| 02:28.35 | Legorol | Venim: the problem you will face is that I/O in WoW doesn't quite work like in standard interpreted or compiled environments |
| 02:28.40 | cbreak | and get the addon source |
| 02:28.40 | Cairenn | Venim: people needed to understand what it is that you are trying to accomplish before they can assist you |
| 02:28.52 | Adys | Venim: what you're gonna want very likely is to do your addon as a standalone lua script |
| 02:28.55 | Legorol | most interaction between an addon and WoW is event-driven, and therefore is not a simple matter of having an input and print statement |
| 02:28.56 | Venim | Cairenn: you need to understand what i want to do to link me to a tutorial? |
| 02:28.58 | Adys | just use print() |
| 02:29.07 | Venim | Adys: that works? |
| 02:29.07 | cbreak | Venim: the addon toolkit extracts the addon source from inside wow |
| 02:29.16 | Adys | Venim: sure, prints to default chat frame |
| 02:29.20 | Venim | good |
| 02:29.22 | Adys | venim: and then port it to wow and add a slash command handle |
| 02:29.23 | Legorol | print covers your output |
| 02:29.25 | Venim | i just have to figure out how to trigger it then |
| 02:29.37 | Legorol | but in order to get access to timing, you need to know more about frames and OnUpdate |
| 02:29.41 | Venim | why? |
| 02:29.41 | Jerub | i'm thinking of throwing all my addons in a Dropbox |
| 02:29.43 | Adys | he doesn't want timing |
| 02:29.45 | Venim | lua has a time feature |
| 02:29.49 | Venim | this is extremely simple |
| 02:29.51 | Legorol | not in WoW |
| 02:29.55 | Venim | even looking at someones source code |
| 02:29.58 | Adys | Venim: wow doesnt have access to all lua libs |
| 02:30.03 | Legorol | you have to realise that the Lua version in WoW is different from the standard one in many ways |
| 02:30.15 | Adys | Venim: wow can provide you with a time value though |
| 02:30.18 | Adys | i think |
| 02:30.21 | Legorol | yes it can |
| 02:30.21 | cbreak | it can |
| 02:30.26 | cbreak | I use it in some of my addons |
| 02:30.49 | Legorol | fundamental problem 1: the Lua environment in WoW is asynchronous. Therefore you can't run arbitrary code for arbitrarily long time period. |
| 02:30.55 | Venim | don't need to |
| 02:30.56 | Adys | he is not trying to |
| 02:30.58 | Venim | i just need to store variables |
| 02:31.03 | cbreak | Venim: you could just download a random addon (small one) and look how they do it :) |
| 02:31.08 | Adys | he just wants /scramble and /imdone |
| 02:31.09 | Venim | god, stop trying to understand what i'm doing and jus show me and addon |
| 02:31.17 | ZorbaTHut | download questhelper! I can pretty much guarantee that questhelper does something similar to what you need |
| 02:31.19 | Venim | cbreak: any suggestions? |
| 02:31.28 | cbreak | mine would work |
| 02:31.30 | cbreak | I guess |
| 02:31.33 | ZorbaTHut | (note: that was a tongue-in-cheek suggestion) |
| 02:31.34 | Legorol | Venim: if you are unwilling to answer people's questions, they will be unwilling to help, that's how this works |
| 02:31.39 | Venim | i'm not unwilling |
| 02:31.43 | Venim | i explained it all |
| 02:31.45 | Venim | if you read up |
| 02:31.46 | Legorol | as for looking at an addon, go and download any one of the thousands from Curse or wowi |
| 02:31.58 | Venim | 1 of thousands doens't work |
| 02:32.04 | Adys | Venim: you explained very poorly your needs |
| 02:32.05 | Venim | because they are much more advanced than i need |
| 02:32.10 | Legorol | right |
| 02:32.18 | Venim | i need random, time, and ouput |
| 02:32.20 | Venim | output* |
| 02:32.24 | Venim | the rest is basic programming |
| 02:32.26 | cbreak | you can use lua's random |
| 02:32.27 | Legorol | right |
| 02:32.36 | Venim | and i really asked for was a simple tutorial/example |
| 02:32.49 | Venim | all i* |
| 02:32.59 | Cairenn | everyone breathe, it's all good |
| 02:33.02 | Venim | i mean, sorry if i'm coming off as arrogant |
| 02:33.07 | Venim | i'm just trying to get a very simple answer |
| 02:33.10 | cbreak | I learned how to do slash commands from wowinterface |
| 02:33.12 | Adys | Venim: you can use print() which prints to the chat frame, hooking slash commands is explained on the page I linked |
| 02:33.17 | Venim | and you guys are adding a much more complex thing to it |
| 02:33.22 | Venim | Adys: thank you |
| 02:33.31 | cbreak | you should check it out |
| 02:33.32 | Adys | Venim: wow has a time feature, and you're going to have to build a custom random function |
| 02:33.35 | cbreak | maybe it's still useful |
| 02:33.44 | Venim | Adys: i saw one in the wowapi |
| 02:33.44 | Legorol | Venim: what was wrong with http://www.wowwiki.com/Creating_a_slash_command? |
| 02:33.55 | Venim | RandomRoll(low, high) - Does a random roll between the two values. |
| 02:34.02 | Adys | oh |
| 02:34.03 | Venim | Legorol: i needed to do more? |
| 02:34.16 | Adys | Venim: that can work but it'll show a /roll on screen |
| 02:34.16 | Legorol | you asked for basic. that is as basic as it gets. |
| 02:34.21 | Venim | o, i didn't notice that |
| 02:34.27 | cbreak | I'd use math.random |
| 02:34.34 | Venim | i figured you would be able to |
| 02:34.35 | cbreak | I think the math lib is still in |
| 02:34.44 | Venim | why strip the language to less than it is |
| 02:34.45 | Adys | cbreak: pretty sure its not |
| 02:35.46 | ZorbaTHut | why build a custom random function? math.random exists |
| 02:35.53 | ZorbaTHut | though entertainingly they removed randomseed |
| 02:35.54 | Venim | great |
| 02:36.03 | Adys | Venim: a tip for the next time, explain what you're trying to do instead of trying to explain what you need |
| 02:36.14 | Venim | well, i didn't even want to do that :p |
| 02:36.16 | Venim | you guys forced me |
| 02:36.24 | Adys | exactly. |
| 02:36.25 | Venim | i asked for a basic tutorial |
| 02:36.35 | Venim | and instead of providing one, you asked for specifics |
| 02:36.36 | Adys | and there are plenty of basic tutorials around the web |
| 02:36.44 | Venim | and i couldn't find one |
| 02:36.49 | Cairenn | everyone breathe, it's all good |
| 02:36.51 | Venim | so i figured i'd ask you guys, since you might no of one |
| 02:36.54 | Venim | know* |
| 02:37.01 | Venim | its the same way in cubing chats |
| 02:37.13 | Venim | someone comes in and asks for a basic tutorial because we know where theya re |
| 02:37.39 | Adys | Venim: googling for "wow addon tutorial" hands a bunch of good results. but thats not what you needed |
| 02:37.58 | Venim | most of it is all UI stuff |
| 02:37.59 | Seerah | we can only give you what you need if we know what you need :) |
| 02:37.59 | Adys | addon tutorials go to greater and more complex lengths than what you're trying to achieve |
| 02:38.30 | Adys | explaining what you're trying to do means that others can figure out what you need for you and thats generally a good thing |
| 02:38.44 | Adys | and it's not rude either |
| 02:38.45 | Venim | i appreciate that, but you still went way farther than i planned on going |
| 02:39.01 | Adys | because nobody was really sure of what you actually needed/wanted |
| 02:39.12 | Venim | but i asked for something |
| 02:39.15 | Venim | that's what i needed |
| 02:39.19 | Venim | i appreciate the extra help |
| 02:39.23 | Venim | and it probably makes my life easier |
| 02:39.47 | Venim | you guys just didn't need to go that far |
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| 02:39.59 | Adys | if you said "I don't know the wow api, I know Lua, and I need to write an addon that does <this>" I can guarantee you you'd have gotten your answer within seconds :p |
| 02:40.27 | Cairenn | and, just so you know, the reason I grilled you is because from what you were asking for it could very well have been for a gold seller or something |
| 02:40.32 | Venim | i guess so, but instead of letting you figure out what i needed, i asked for something i thought i wanted |
| 02:41.04 | Venim | i spoke english too well for that :p |
| 02:41.08 | Seerah | we have found through years of experience, that sometimes people don't quite always know what they want ;) |
| 02:41.12 | cbreak | you should have what you need by now though I think? :) |
| 02:41.17 | Venim | sort of |
| 02:41.17 | Cairenn | and if it had been for that, you wouldn't have been getting any help in here |
| 02:41.27 | Venim | i'll play around |
| 02:41.32 | Venim | see what else i can find |
| 02:41.33 | Adys | Venim: as i explained thats the problem; when you say "addon tutorial" it can mean plenty of things. did you want frames, did you want events, etc and you only needed slash commands :) |
| 02:41.49 | Legorol | Venim: here is a complete working example for you that has everything you requested: |
| 02:41.49 | Legorol | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/128472 |
| 02:41.50 | Adys | ANYHOW |
| 02:41.51 | Venim | probably should've said text based |
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| 02:42.09 | Venim | Legorol: rubik* |
| 02:42.10 | Venim | but thans |
| 02:42.13 | Venim | thanks* |
| 02:42.27 | Legorol | d'uh, yes it's Rubik isn't it |
| 02:42.37 | Legorol | poor Rubik Erno is turning in his grave right now |
| 02:42.42 | Venim | he's not dead <_< |
| 02:42.48 | Adys | ~whalespell Legorol |
| 02:42.50 | Legorol | (and IRC ate the double acute on the o"), sorry |
| 02:42.53 | Adys | ~whaledeath Legorol |
| 02:42.57 | Legorol | :) |
| 02:43.09 | Adys | ö? |
| 02:43.13 | Legorol | no, not an umlaut |
| 02:43.21 | Adys | thats not an umlaut |
| 02:43.21 | Legorol | it's an o with a double acute |
| 02:43.23 | Venim | it is an umlaut though |
| 02:43.36 | Adys | double acute wtf |
| 02:43.39 | Adys | what language has that? |
| 02:43.44 | Venim | and its erno rubik |
| 02:43.45 | cbreak | ô? |
| 02:43.48 | Seerah | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:43.48 | Legorol | Hungarian has four vowels based on "o": o, o-acute, o+two dots, o+double acute |
| 02:43.51 | cbreak | ó? |
| 02:43.51 | Adys | thats not double acute |
| 02:43.53 | Legorol | nope, cbreak |
| 02:43.56 | Venim | osnap it is double accute |
| 02:44.01 | Legorol | ofc it is |
| 02:44.05 | Legorol | <= Hungarian |
| 02:44.07 | Venim | Ernő Rubik |
| 02:44.11 | Legorol | yes |
| 02:44.14 | Venim | heh, hungarians are fun |
| 02:44.18 | Legorol | i'm not |
| 02:44.19 | Adys | dammit |
| 02:44.27 | Adys | now I have to update my keyboard layout |
| 02:44.31 | Venim | i forgot all my dirty hungarian phrases though |
| 02:44.38 | Venim | and noone is in #rubikkocka since its 3 am |
| 02:44.40 | Legorol | btw, is the toc number 30200 atm? |
| 02:44.45 | Venim | and my one friend went to sleep |
| 02:44.49 | Adys | yes Legorol |
| 02:44.53 | Legorol | k, thanks |
| 02:44.56 | Adys | Legorol: /topic :p |
| 02:44.58 | Legorol | can someone sanity check http://wowuidev.pastey.net/128472 for me? |
| 02:44.59 | Venim | KUTI MATYAS |
| 02:45.06 | Legorol | i haven't actually run it |
| 02:45.18 | theorbtwo | There's a fair number of languages that really should have invented new letters instead of sticking wierd accents on latin letters. |
| 02:45.28 | Adys | Legorol: you need another statement for slash command |
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| 02:45.33 | cbreak | calling it "handler":.. :/ |
| 02:45.45 | Legorol | it's a local function, why shouldn't I? |
| 02:45.45 | Adys | theorbtwo: agreed |
| 02:45.47 | Iriel | Legorol: thank you for using print properly |
| 02:45.56 | Legorol | Iriel: what do you mean? |
| 02:46.06 | Iriel | Legorol: You didn't d "Random number: " .. r |
| 02:46.11 | Legorol | :o) |
| 02:46.18 | Venim | Legorol: one hungarian is infamous in the speedcubing community btw |
| 02:46.33 | Legorol | great, but unfortunately I don't care |
| 02:46.40 | Legorol | I mostly dislike Hungarians |
| 02:46.40 | Venim | not great |
| 02:46.49 | Venim | why, all the ones i met are fun |
| 02:47.07 | Adys | Legorol: I'm 1/16th Hungarian and very offended |
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| 02:47.18 | Legorol | I'm 1/1 Hungarian, so I'm entitled to such statements |
| 02:47.29 | Jerub | I think i may be 1/16th hungarian and i don't give a shit. |
| 02:47.37 | Adys | over my dead sixteenth of body |
| 02:47.37 | Legorol | that's the spirit! |
| 02:47.48 | Legorol | can i have your pinky and toes, Adys? |
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| 02:47.53 | Venim | lolol quad |
| 02:47.55 | Venim | gtfo |
| 02:48.17 | Adys | Legorol: without the large ones. |
| 02:48.25 | Legorol | that's not quite 1/16 :( |
| 02:48.33 | Adys | I have long nails |
| 02:48.34 | Quadrescence | I was Wondering how i can Make An AutoBot for WoW |
| 02:48.37 | cbreak | I am 25% hungry. |
| 02:48.38 | Venim | wtfu quad |
| 02:48.40 | cbreak | I shall eat. |
| 02:48.44 | Venim | don't bother |
| 02:48.59 | Quadrescence | Venim Do You know how to make a Bot? |
| 02:49.10 | cbreak | Quadrescence: everyone knows the decepticons would win anyway |
| 02:49.17 | Legorol | Quadrescence: maybe you can enlighten us. Why the sudden interest in AutoBots from so many people? |
| 02:49.35 | Legorol | You are not the first person to ask today |
| 02:49.40 | cbreak | Legorol: must be a new crappy movie with nothing but special effects, bad writing and worse actors |
| 02:49.53 | Adys | but special effects right? |
| 02:49.53 | theorbtwo | Ah, but it's not that new. |
| 02:49.55 | Legorol | Is there some competition in the Rubik's Cube community or something? |
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| 02:49.58 | Quadrescence | Legorol: I think maybe because WoW has become Unfair and it is very One Sided |
| 02:50.10 | cbreak | haha |
| 02:50.12 | cbreak | unfair? :) |
| 02:50.18 | Legorol | uh, what? |
| 02:50.19 | cbreak | epics are easier to get than ever |
| 02:50.21 | Ycarene | Quadrescence - How so? |
| 02:50.26 | Adys | fun fact, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LP_hAszQPgk was running while cbreak said that |
| 02:50.28 | Legorol | cbreak: i don't think he is talking about epics |
| 02:50.41 | Legorol | Quadrescence: do you even own a copy of WoW? |
| 02:50.44 | Legorol | btw, what's with the caps? |
| 02:50.51 | Quadrescence | Yes I own Two Copies |
| 02:50.56 | Legorol | cool |
| 02:51.02 | cbreak | you might be overdoing it |
| 02:51.03 | Legorol | so, why is everyone trying to make an AutoBot today? |
| 02:51.04 | Quadrescence | And my Brother has a copy also |
| 02:51.12 | theorbtwo | I could probably make a decent argument that the whole pets-for-sale thing has made more people feel OK gaming the system. |
| 02:51.12 | Venim | quad's an odd kid |
| 02:51.24 | Venim | plays with printers |
| 02:51.26 | cbreak | Adys: cool. |
| 02:51.28 | Adys | theorbtwo: what system? |
| 02:51.29 | Venim | and makes videos about them |
| 02:51.34 | Jerub | what the hell? wow? unfair? one sided? |
| 02:51.36 | Ycarene | The pets aren't any different than loot cards, really. |
| 02:51.46 | Jerub | wow has managed to grow up into an awesome game |
| 02:51.46 | Legorol | theorbtwo: i'm wondering too, what system? |
| 02:51.48 | theorbtwo | Did the other guy use the word "autobot" too? |
| 02:51.59 | theorbtwo | Er, wow. |
| 02:52.00 | Jerub | unfair isn't a word i can even try to apply |
| 02:52.03 | Legorol | I don't think he termed it that way, but he did say "ircbot" |
| 02:52.10 | Adys | applies unfair to Jerub |
| 02:52.11 | Quadrescence | Ycarene Yes The Hoard are Overpowered in my humble opinion and Alliance were Nerfed in the last Update |
| 02:52.16 | Legorol | i woudln't be surprised if "autobot" was the official name for an automated sequence generator bot |
| 02:52.23 | Ycarene | Quadresence - hahahahaha! |
| 02:52.29 | ZorbaTHut | quadrescence, eh? how did the faction balance change at all? |
| 02:52.31 | Legorol | Quadrescence: stop PvP-ing then |
| 02:52.34 | cbreak | now I heard everything |
| 02:52.39 | Legorol | also, both factions have identical classes |
| 02:52.42 | cbreak | horde and alliance are almost exactly the same |
| 02:52.45 | Adys | wow guys |
| 02:52.46 | Adys | take a joke |
| 02:52.49 | Quadrescence | Legorol: What is the Point without PVP |
| 02:52.53 | NightHawkTheSane | sniffs |
| 02:52.59 | Legorol | PvE = instant gratification! |
| 02:53.10 | Legorol | Adys: i think he's serious, or a serious troll |
| 02:53.13 | NightHawkTheSane | i smell a whiny 16 year old pvp brat who plays night elf (and maybe draenei) chicks. |
| 02:53.23 | theorbtwo | That is, using automation to get ahead. |
| 02:53.26 | cbreak | NightHawkTheSane: Hunters. |
| 02:53.26 | Ycarene | Quadresence - The only differences is racials, and well, I dunno, both sides have issues there. |
| 02:53.33 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: maybe rogues too |
| 02:53.33 | Venim | Legorol: for this code, how does it associate /rubik with handler |
| 02:53.38 | cbreak | possibly. |
| 02:53.40 | Venim | unless its case senstive |
| 02:53.41 | Jerub | wow gilder? |
| 02:53.49 | Adys | Venim: the last line |
| 02:53.59 | Legorol | Venim: it's case insensitive |
| 02:54.02 | Venim | i see that, but it doesn't seem to relate to the first line |
| 02:54.12 | Legorol | there is code in the rest of the WoW UI that parses the SlashCmdList table |
| 02:54.15 | cbreak | it has a substring |
| 02:54.15 | Adys | every slash command is case insensitive |
| 02:54.15 | Venim | what's the reason for the SLASH_RUBIK1 variable? |
| 02:54.20 | cbreak | yes |
| 02:54.25 | ZorbaTHut | ycarene, well, most battlegrounds aren't truly symmetrical. |
| 02:54.29 | Quadrescence | PVE is very easy and does not post a Challenge to many. anyway we are Off Topic. Does one program in Python in Wow or do we use another language like Java? |
| 02:54.32 | Adys | Venim: thats how wow works with slash commands |
| 02:54.40 | Venim | but the naming convention? |
| 02:54.41 | cbreak | the RUBIK from the table gets used to construct global variable acesses |
| 02:54.46 | ZorbaTHut | quadrescence, lua, for UI mods, but you can't make bots with those :P |
| 02:54.52 | cbreak | Quadrescence: Lua. |
| 02:54.55 | Legorol | Venim: if you want to understand why the slash command is defined the way it is, you should have a look in the WoW UI code (which is available for your inspection via the official addon kit) to see how it handles the slash commands |
| 02:54.58 | Iriel | Venim: The command handler iterates across the SlashCmdList keys, and then constructs global names iof the form SLASH_<ID><seq>, to find the slash command names |
| 02:55.10 | Ycarene | ZorbaTHut, well, ok, that's true. |
| 02:55.14 | Adys | what Iriel said |
| 02:55.20 | theorbtwo | The API is very carefully designed to keep you from being able to write bots in it. |
| 02:55.23 | Venim | ok |
| 02:55.24 | Venim | thanks |
| 02:55.25 | Iriel | Venim: starting at seq=1, until it encounters a nil |
| 02:55.39 | Ycarene | Quadrescence - All wow addon's are programmed in lua, but you can't bot with it, if you value your account, you won't bot at all. |
| 02:55.43 | Quadrescence | theorbtwo I See can you give an Example |
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| 02:55.55 | Legorol | Venim: WoW has a strange way of dealing with slash commands, it's a bit of a backward logic, not quite what you'd expect |
| 02:56.03 | theorbtwo | Quadrescence: There's no way to walk. |
| 02:56.09 | Jerub | Quadrescence: there is literally nothing you can do with a bot that is useful at level 80 to get better gear. |
| 02:56.09 | Venim | i just like how ircbots work :p |
| 02:56.11 | cbreak | wow's lua has no IO to the outside |
| 02:56.14 | Adys | as a matter of fact yes |
| 02:56.15 | Venim | raw data |
| 02:56.19 | cbreak | it has no way of simulating hardware events |
| 02:56.27 | Adys | why isn't there an AddSlashCommand("/rubic", handler)? |
| 02:56.28 | cbreak | it has no way of calling protected functions such as casting |
| 02:56.41 | Venim | Adys: because blizzard programmed it |
| 02:56.43 | Legorol | Adys: because Addons are unsupported? |
| 02:56.44 | Iriel | Adys: because one isn't really necessary |
| 02:56.46 | Jerub | Quadrescence: and you seem to be throwing a tantrum about being underpowered or something, and lvl80 gear is the only way to improve your situation (other than growing a pair) |
| 02:56.49 | Quadrescence | What about Direct Hardware Events that Simulate Physical presses |
| 02:56.52 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, you can do a lot on the AH, then use that to buy better gear :D |
| 02:56.58 | cbreak | Quadrescence: get real |
| 02:56.59 | Ycarene | Quadrescence - and if you try and use something from outside the application, you'll most likely get picked off by warden. |
| 02:57.00 | Iriel | Adys: wow's default parser is simple enough and fast enough (especially since it caches "hits") |
| 02:57.03 | cbreak | lua has no access to that |
| 02:57.04 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: there are like 4 pieces of gear that are worth buying. |
| 02:57.13 | ZorbaTHut | eh, depends where you are in the pve progression game |
| 02:57.14 | Legorol | Quadrescence: grey area. If you use them, you can get banned. |
| 02:57.17 | Seerah | *ahem* are we discussing ways to bot in this channel?.... /me looks around |
| 02:57.20 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: the rest you need to get as emblem handins or raid drops. |
| 02:57.20 | Quadrescence | cbreak: What:? I am trying To |
| 02:57.26 | ZorbaTHut | if you're a fresh 80 you can get some nice upgrades |
| 02:57.26 | Quadrescence | Legorol: Yes but they cannot tell |
| 02:57.29 | Adys | Iriel: I know its not necessary, but it'd be a lot prettier and devuser-friendly |
| 02:57.33 | Legorol | Quadrescence: you'd be surprised |
| 02:57.34 | Venim | wait, how do I great a global variable for the addon? |
| 02:57.35 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: oh, sure, as a fresh 80. |
| 02:57.37 | Ycarene | Quadrescence - And to be honest, this REALLY isn't the place to be discussing this. |
| 02:57.40 | cbreak | Quadrescence: it's impossible to simulate hardware events with lua |
| 02:57.40 | Venim | just call it the way it is |
| 02:57.45 | Adys | also I'd say Quadrescence if you value your place in this channel, you better stop talking about bots |
| 02:57.52 | Cairenn | indeed |
| 02:57.52 | Seerah | Quadrescence: yes, they can. and if this discussion continues, we will be forced to remove you from the channel. |
| 02:57.54 | Quadrescence | I am not talking about Bots |
| 02:58.09 | Legorol | Venim: good question. Any global variable you use is shared between all addons and the base UI. |
| 02:58.09 | Cairenn | you are talking about ways to automate game play |
| 02:58.12 | Quadrescence | I am talking about World of Warcraft Application Program Interface |
| 02:58.23 | Adys | you are not |
| 02:58.32 | Jerub | 12:48 < Quadrescence> I was Wondering how i can Make An AutoBot for WoW |
| 02:58.37 | Legorol | Venim: it's common accepted protocol to name any global variable belonging to your addon as "MyAddon_variablename" or something similar to avoid collision |
| 02:58.42 | Cairenn | which is against Blizzard's ToU and EULA, and as such, continued discussion of it in here will get you kicked from channel |
| 02:58.43 | Venim | yeah, i figured |
| 02:58.44 | Quadrescence | Jerub: I neverminded that Question after |
| 02:59.03 | Quadrescence | Sorry if it was not Clear |
| 02:59.07 | Ycarene | Quadrescence - "I was Wondering how i can Make An AutoBot for WoW", unless you're talking about the transformers, I'm going to take it as looking for botting. |
| 02:59.14 | Legorol | Venim: it is also recommended that if you use more than one global variable, you instead use a single table |
| 02:59.21 | Adys | Quadrescence: just to be clear, you cannot do what you're trying to do in lua; trying to figure out how to do it in here is a bad idea |
| 02:59.30 | Legorol | for example: MyAddon_Settings.size = 10; MyAddon_Settings.color = red; |
| 02:59.35 | Iriel | Adys: True, but you've still got the ugliness of the globals (which are necessary due to how wow does localization) |
| 02:59.39 | Quadrescence | I Apologize about WoW Bots let us drop this discusion and stay within chanel Bounderies |
| 02:59.47 | ZorbaTHut | wants to know how to make a Decepticon for WoW |
| 02:59.49 | Ycarene | Quadrescence - agreed |
| 02:59.51 | Cairenn | thank you |
| 02:59.58 | cbreak | I wrote an Eliza bot for wow ages ago |
| 03:00.04 | cbreak | well... more ported it |
| 03:00.06 | Ycarene | ZorbaTHut - that would be awesome. |
| 03:00.08 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: wth is a decepticon? |
| 03:00.11 | Seerah | glares at cbreak |
| 03:00.12 | Adys | oh, transformers |
| 03:00.14 | Legorol | I don't see any harm in people asking here what is/isn't acceptable in WoW, what is/isn't possible in Lua, etc. |
| 03:00.22 | cbreak | Adys: enemy of autobot |
| 03:00.24 | Quadrescence | cbreak: We should Stop Talking about Artificial Gameplay |
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| 03:00.27 | Legorol | this kind of topic is often discussed in here, so no need to jump down Quadrescence's throat |
| 03:00.33 | ZorbaTHut | cbreak, I know some guys who have a trollbot that posts the occasional flamewar-starter in chat |
| 03:00.36 | cbreak | Quadrescence: it's not :) |
| 03:00.38 | Venim | is there a built in /stop to WoW |
| 03:00.41 | Venim | i don't remember there being one |
| 03:00.43 | ZorbaTHut | if they get /tell's, it starts running an Eliza script |
| 03:00.45 | Venim | but i haven't played in 3 years |
| 03:00.50 | ZorbaTHut | and records all logs, of course |
| 03:00.55 | Adys | Venim: /stop ? |
| 03:00.58 | cbreak | Venim: there's /quit |
| 03:01.05 | Seerah | Legorol: right, theoretical discussion is allowed, and we watched the conversation. but then it got out of bounds. |
| 03:01.06 | ZorbaTHut | apparently they get some *phenomenal* chatlogs :D |
| 03:01.09 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: uh, that's 'Automated Goblin Therpist" maybe? |
| 03:01.09 | Quadrescence | cbreak: Yes it is I Recall that a LISP programer made some ELIZA I Think |
| 03:01.10 | kd3 | oh wow. bizzcon in los vegas? |
| 03:01.13 | Legorol | Seerah: right |
| 03:01.20 | Venim | cbreak: stop giving me stuff i didn't ask for! |
| 03:01.21 | Ycarene | cbreak - I'm sure if you activated a smart enough eliza script in the trade channel, it could probably hold its own pretty well. |
| 03:01.21 | Venim | :p |
| 03:01.22 | kd3 | wonders if he's going to bother getting tickets this year |
| 03:01.26 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, I think they hacked up part of that for use in a larger, more annoying UI mod |
| 03:01.39 | Quadrescence | cbreak: And lisp is for Artificial Intelligence and this is Against the Blizzard Terms of Service |
| 03:01.40 | Legorol | Venim: what would "/stop" do? |
| 03:01.45 | Venim | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:01.48 | cbreak | Quadrescence: get a brain |
| 03:01.50 | Venim | spitting out the total time |
| 03:01.52 | Legorol | There is no such slash command, so you need to describe what are you looking for |
| 03:01.53 | cbreak | and learn the word "Porting" |
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| 03:02.04 | Venim | exaclty, i'm jsut wondering if thre would be a conflict with a default |
| 03:02.06 | Legorol | total time of what? |
| 03:02.09 | theorbtwo | Strange. I thought it started out of bounds, and I moved the discussion toward why it's not possible in the API, and that was closer to in-bounds. |
| 03:02.10 | Venim | the solve |
| 03:02.13 | Quadrescence | cbreak: Yes Porting from Lisp to LUA |
| 03:02.14 | Legorol | ah |
| 03:02.24 | Legorol | venim: it's best not to create multiple slashcommands with different names |
| 03:02.32 | Ycarene | Quadrescence - A chat bot really isn't against the ToU since it doesn't play the game for you, and people in here DO discuss other programming topics beyond wow. |
| 03:02.32 | Legorol | instead, create a single slash command use arguments to it |
| 03:02.36 | WobWork | ... the Artfully chosen Capitalisation is driving Me batty =P |
| 03:02.36 | Legorol | for example: /rubik start |
| 03:02.41 | Legorol | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.43 | Legorol | /rubik total |
| 03:02.44 | Jerub | Quadrescence: srsly. you're talking to a collection of very smart people who are all fundamentally opposed to your goals. the only thing you're doing is being sad and unintentionally hilarious. |
| 03:02.45 | Legorol | and so on |
| 03:02.55 | Quadrescence | Ycarene: Like What Topic? |
| 03:02.59 | Adys | WobWork: you mean like in WobWork ? |
| 03:03.07 | Venim | Legorol: that's sort of long though :/ |
| 03:03.14 | WobWork | No, like what Quadrescence is doing |
| 03:03.18 | Jerub | how do i collect chat logs? |
| 03:03.19 | Legorol | Venim: but it's accepted standard |
| 03:03.26 | Legorol | One addon -> one slash command |
| 03:03.27 | Ycarene | Quadresence - Programming topics. |
| 03:03.30 | Venim | standard shmandard |
| 03:03.30 | WobWork | Jerub: on a client basis or on a purl basis? |
| 03:03.31 | Adys | yes but you did artificially chose capitalization in the word WobWork |
| 03:03.35 | Jerub | and is there an addon that will give me a reference sheet of poeple i've grouped with. |
| 03:03.37 | Venim | i'm not gonna produce this for actual use |
| 03:03.38 | Jerub | WobWork: client basis. |
| 03:03.41 | WobWork | Adys: I said artfully |
| 03:03.47 | Jerub | WobWork: I'm shit off with not remembering anyone i've grouped with. |
| 03:03.47 | Adys | and I said artificially |
| 03:03.50 | Venim | its just one kid who asked for it |
| 03:03.51 | Legorol | then feel free to do as you see fit :) |
| 03:03.53 | Venim | so i'm seeing if i can do it |
| 03:03.56 | Quadrescence | Ycarene: Yes but what Topics I program alot and maybe I can Answer Questions |
| 03:04.11 | Legorol | if you are thinking of multiple slash commands, note that you need multiple handler functions as well, |
| 03:04.13 | Adys | okay this is getting too chatty, off to eat |
| 03:04.14 | cbreak | probably not... |
| 03:04.19 | Legorol | so obviously you need to pick a better name than "handler" |
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| 03:04.25 | Venim | Legorol: i'm not THAT bad at programming |
| 03:04.29 | Venim | i'll show you what i have when i'm done |
| 03:04.35 | Legorol | ok |
| 03:04.48 | Adys | ALSO. |
| 03:04.48 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/49917/brazies-gnomish-pleasure-device/ |
| 03:04.55 | cbreak | Venim: a slash command gets the string it is called with as argument |
| 03:04.55 | Legorol | btw, Lua is case sensitive, so GetTime() is really that, not getTime() or gettime() |
| 03:05.13 | Legorol | lol, there are so many items named after Alex |
| 03:05.16 | cbreak | the idea is to parse that with the pattern matching string.find or what ever you want |
| 03:05.28 | Venim | Legorol: almost all langs are case sensitive |
| 03:05.29 | cbreak | and then dispatch it internally |
| 03:05.46 | cbreak | Venim: stay away from vbs :( |
| 03:05.48 | Legorol | Venim: i'm just contrasting it with the case with slash command names, which is not a Lua feature but a WoW feature |
| 03:05.55 | Quadrescence | venim, FORTRAN is notable about not case sensitiveness |
| 03:06.06 | Venim | FUCK FORTRAN |
| 03:06.11 | WobWork | Adys: ... and? |
| 03:06.12 | Venim | you and your ancient langs |
| 03:06.19 | WobWork | Adys: I'm not seeing your point =P |
| 03:06.20 | Ycarene | Basic is too, but no-one programs in basic anymore. |
| 03:06.21 | Venim | btw, no one is in delta |
| 03:06.26 | Quadrescence | venim Do You know Me? |
| 03:06.29 | Venim | unless i forgot the channel name |
| 03:06.37 | WobWork | 's eye twitches |
| 03:06.37 | Ycarene | Quadrescence - need to keep a thick skin in here too. |
| 03:06.52 | Legorol | I want one of these: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/49918/brazies-guide-to-getting-good-with-gnomish-girls/ |
| 03:06.52 | Quadrescence | Ycarene: What does that mean |
| 03:06.56 | Legorol | could use the gold from vendoring it |
| 03:07.09 | Ycarene | Quadrescence - It means not to take offense easily. |
| 03:07.18 | Quadrescence | Oh I take No Offence :) |
| 03:07.31 | Legorol | is very offencive |
| 03:07.37 | Quadrescence | people have there Good and Bad Days I understand |
| 03:07.58 | WobWork | Quadrescence: Is there any reason for the random capitalisations? |
| 03:08.28 | WobWork | Because not everything is a proper noun |
| 03:08.29 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5403358/scientists-are-hard-at-work-growing-bigger-boobs |
| 03:08.32 | Quadrescence | WobWork: Oh sorry i guess i am just trying to use proper grammer |
| 03:08.45 | WobWork | grammar is one thing, |
| 03:08.59 | Adys | Thunder_Child: "technically" |
| 03:09.38 | Quadrescence | WobWork: Your nick name has random capitalisations |
| 03:09.46 | Adys | see |
| 03:09.50 | Adys | exactly what i said |
| 03:09.54 | Ycarene | Quadrescence - Nicks are different. |
| 03:09.54 | Seerah | no it doesn't |
| 03:09.59 | theorbtwo | Proper grammar doesn't capitalize all that much in English. |
| 03:09.59 | WobWork | It's not really random |
| 03:10.03 | Seerah | Wobin Work - WobWork |
| 03:10.04 | WobWork | It's me, Wob |
| 03:10.06 | WobWork | and I am at Work |
| 03:10.13 | WobWork | as opposed to Wobin |
| 03:10.14 | Corrodias | ew :( i like them small |
| 03:10.17 | WobWork | which I log in at home |
| 03:10.21 | theorbtwo | If it's the name of a place or person, it gets capitalized, pretty much. |
| 03:10.23 | Adys | ~Corrodias++ |
| 03:10.34 | Ycarene | Thunder_Child - I'm not picky. |
| 03:10.36 | Venim | lua question: math.random(x,y) is inclusive? |
| 03:10.37 | Quadrescence | I see i will try to capitalise better for this channal exclusivly |
| 03:10.38 | WobWork | If it were WobwOrk it might be random |
| 03:10.50 | WobWork | (of course it could mean I'm an Ork named Wobw) |
| 03:11.00 | Adys | WobWork: Look |
| 03:11.06 | Adys | I just did a few random simulations |
| 03:11.07 | theorbtwo | Oh. Also, the word "I". |
| 03:11.08 | WobWork | AdYs |
| 03:11.12 | Quadrescence | WobWork: Or your ORKIN MAN hahahah |
| 03:11.17 | Adys | and I came up with "WobWork" for the capitalization of the word "wobwork" |
| 03:11.25 | Adys | so it means the capitalization in your nickname is random |
| 03:11.28 | Adys | beat that. |
| 03:11.34 | Ycarene | WobWork - that made me laugh for some reason. |
| 03:11.36 | WobWork | It also means the capitlisation is deliberate |
| 03:11.47 | kD3 | >.> |
| 03:11.48 | WobWork | NINE NINE NINE NINE |
| 03:11.51 | Iriel | Venim: it should be yes. |
| 03:11.53 | Quadrescence | My Capitalisation is deliberite |
| 03:12.02 | WobWork | but it's incorrect for the context |
| 03:12.03 | Venim | Iriel: i'll just check |
| 03:12.11 | kd3 | whee |
| 03:12.11 | cbreak | I have no capitalisation :( |
| 03:12.12 | Iriel | Venim: I'd expect you could verify it in less than 30 seconds |
| 03:12.15 | cbreak | <- without capital |
| 03:12.19 | cbreak | please donate! |
| 03:12.19 | WobWork | comforts cbreak |
| 03:12.20 | Quadrescence | Anyway we are very off topic |
| 03:12.20 | Venim | yes |
| 03:12.22 | kd3 | so then... let's see what's up in the world of ptr |
| 03:12.22 | Venim | its inclusive |
| 03:12.27 | Ycarene | My nick isn't even a real word. |
| 03:12.30 | Venim | Iriel: i forgot i had lua instealled |
| 03:12.30 | Iriel | Venim: But standard range conventions are that [m, n] is inclusive, and (m, n) is exclusive |
| 03:12.32 | Adys | Quadrescence: this is quite on-topic for #wowuidev |
| 03:12.50 | Venim | > print(math.random(1,3)) |
| 03:12.50 | Venim | 3 |
| 03:12.51 | cbreak | we learned ]a,b[ is exclusive |
| 03:12.56 | cbreak | (at school) |
| 03:12.58 | ZorbaTHut | standard range conventions in Lua is that everything is inclusive |
| 03:13.00 | Quadrescence | cbreak: That is French notation. |
| 03:13.03 | Iriel | lua> for i = 1, 4 do print(math.random(1,2)) end |
| 03:13.04 | lua_bot | Iriel: 2, 2, 2, 2 |
| 03:13.08 | cbreak | eeew! |
| 03:13.17 | Iriel | lua> for i = 1, 4 do print(math.random(1,2)) end |
| 03:13.17 | lua_bot | Iriel: 1, 1, 2, 2 |
| 03:13.20 | Iriel | There we go |
| 03:13.29 | kd3 | randomness is streaky |
| 03:13.31 | kd3 | har |
| 03:13.39 | cbreak | if it wouldn't be it'd be predictable |
| 03:13.42 | Ycarene | Just like wow's RNG. |
| 03:13.47 | ZorbaTHut | lua> for i = 1, 4 print(math.random(2, 1)) end |
| 03:13.48 | lua_bot | ZorbaTHut: luabot:1: 'do' expected near 'print' |
| 03:13.52 | ZorbaTHut | lua> for i = 1, 4 do print(math.random(2, 1)) end |
| 03:13.52 | lua_bot | ZorbaTHut: luabot:1: bad argument #2 to 'random' (interval is empty) |
| 03:14.05 | ZorbaTHut | that's probably for the best really |
| 03:14.18 | Adys | nah |
| 03:14.36 | WobWork | kd3: like bacon? |
| 03:14.57 | kd3 | gah; the chat frames resetting their positions bug is back |
| 03:14.58 | Adys | hu thats odd |
| 03:15.06 | kd3 | looks for /bug and sighs |
| 03:15.09 | Adys | >>> "range"[3:1] |
| 03:15.09 | Adys | '' |
| 03:15.16 | Iriel | I had a 1/8 chance of it being unhelpful |
| 03:15.29 | WobWork | Iriel: "Answer hazy, try again later"? |
| 03:16.00 | Adys | weird i could've sworn y:x worked in python |
| 03:16.25 | Ycarene | Ugh, I hate having to recompile ghostscript, it takes forever. |
| 03:16.31 | Adys | ah no |
| 03:16.33 | Adys | it was ::-1 |
| 03:17.00 | Adys | man slicing in python is like a toy |
| 03:17.16 | Quadrescence | Adys: Slicing came from Fortran. |
| 03:18.44 | Adys | This article is about the Cobra programming language from Cobra Language LLC. For the Cobra programming language from the Squeaky Duck Design Company, see Cobra (programming language from Squeaky Duck). |
| 03:18.45 | Ycarene | I wonder if you could write a tcp/ip stack as a wow addon (obviously would only work within the game). |
| 03:18.46 | Adys | wow. |
| 03:18.59 | WobWork | what a great company name |
| 03:19.02 | Adys | i dont see why not Ycarene |
| 03:19.31 | Ycarene | adys - would there ever be a marked for that though? |
| 03:19.41 | Ycarene | *market |
| 03:20.06 | Adys | cue init(name as String, age as int) |
| 03:20.07 | Adys | man |
| 03:20.09 | Adys | ugh |
| 03:20.28 | ZorbaTHut | ycarene, I could use it, and I've been thinking about writing one |
| 03:21.00 | Jerub | so yeah, does anyone know a tool that can track who i group with? |
| 03:21.03 | Adys | why do people feel that making programming languages more language-natural is going to make them more user-friendly |
| 03:21.10 | Jerub | i pug lots and it'd be nice |
| 03:21.11 | Ycarene | I think that wow could use a decent point to point communication protocol that isn't limited to party/guild/raid/battleground. |
| 03:21.14 | Venim | Legorol: if you wondered http://wowuidev.pastey.net/128480 |
| 03:21.23 | Legorol | what would a tcp/ip stack give beyond what you can do already with addon messages? |
| 03:21.30 | Legorol | specifically, wouldn't the addon messaging cover the IP part? |
| 03:21.42 | Legorol | and you'd just need the TCP part to have guaranteed delivery and ordering |
| 03:22.26 | Legorol | Venim: your slash command definitions are screwed up |
| 03:22.34 | Jerub | Ycarene: do you mean, 'can we have a reimplemntation of the socket api in game'? |
| 03:22.41 | Venim | Legorol: :( |
| 03:22.42 | Jerub | like socket(AF_WOW, SOCK_STREAM) ? |
| 03:22.48 | Ycarene | Jerub - Basically, yes. |
| 03:22.50 | Legorol | the X in SlashCmdList["X"] must match the X in SLASH_X1 |
| 03:22.52 | Iriel | I prefer SOCK_DRAWER |
| 03:23.02 | Venim | o, that's what i didn't get |
| 03:23.03 | Adys | lua> if 1==1 do return 1 end |
| 03:23.04 | lua_bot | Adys: luabot:1: 'then' expected near 'do' |
| 03:23.05 | Jerub | Ycarene: entirely feasable. |
| 03:23.05 | Ycarene | Jerub - more proof of concept though, that really useful. |
| 03:23.06 | Legorol | not the X on the right hand side of SLASH_X1 = "/X" |
| 03:23.08 | Venim | i thought it matched the / |
| 03:23.09 | Iriel | Messages usually go in and out in pairs, btu occasionally one is lost |
| 03:23.20 | Legorol | Venim: that's why i said that slash command handling is a bit backward in WoW ;) |
| 03:23.22 | Adys | Venim: its if .. then |
| 03:24.14 | Legorol | Venim: the construct is as follows. SLASH_X1 = "/Y"; SlashCmdList["X"] = handler; |
| 03:24.14 | Venim | oyeah |
| 03:24.21 | Venim | damn lua |
| 03:24.22 | Legorol | Y will be the actual slash command |
| 03:24.31 | Venim | Legorol: kk, got it |
| 03:27.28 | Venim | anyone want to try it <_< |
| 03:27.33 | Legorol | Iriel (or anyone else): do you have any idea why the designation of slash commands is indexed this way around, and not by the actual slash commands in the first place? |
| 03:27.46 | Legorol | Resulting in having to loop over all SLASH_Xi to find a match if it's uncached |
| 03:28.03 | Ycarene | Ugh, I forgot the name of the usual monitor program for linux, gdb is close, but I just want a disassembly. |
| 03:28.44 | ScytheBlade1 | gdb |
| 03:28.58 | Iriel | Legorol: I believe Localization |
| 03:29.04 | Iriel | Legorol: they manage all of it through globals |
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| 03:29.34 | Legorol | Venim: string concatenation in Lua is done by ".." (without the quotes), not with a + sign |
| 03:29.45 | Legorol | lua> print("Hello " .. "world!") |
| 03:29.46 | lua_bot | Legorol: Hello world! |
| 03:31.04 | Legorol | Venim: line 40 has a typo and an error. You are missing a closing ), and there is no function named round. |
| 03:31.29 | Adys | HAHA YES |
| 03:31.31 | Adys | YES YES YES |
| 03:32.02 | Legorol | Venim: the problem is that you define round only after you use it, so move it around :) |
| 03:32.16 | Venim | Legorol: it doesn't work the other way :( |
| 03:32.17 | Venim | stupid lua |
| 03:32.28 | Legorol | Lua, and no it's not stupid |
| 03:32.32 | Legorol | it's the best language I have used so far :) |
| 03:32.52 | Jerub | lua is kinda nice. |
| 03:33.00 | Venim | python please |
| 03:33.05 | Venim | bloated, but not lame |
| 03:33.05 | Jerub | I mostly use python, and this new go lang thing looks interesting. |
| 03:33.08 | Venim | its for lazy people |
| 03:33.14 | Venim | Jerub: that's exactly my sentiments |
| 03:33.33 | Venim | Go is just a new C with more scripting like capabilites |
| 03:33.35 | Jerub | but lua isn't stupid. |
| 03:33.36 | Legorol | Venim: what doesn't work the other way? |
| 03:33.46 | Jerub | it's a great language in a lot of respects. |
| 03:33.58 | Venim | yeah, its not stupid |
| 03:34.08 | Venim | Legorol: in python, it doesn't matter where the functiopn is |
| 03:34.21 | Legorol | Venim: but in Lua, functions are first class values |
| 03:34.22 | Venim | or haskell |
| 03:34.26 | Venim | yeah, yeah |
| 03:34.34 | Venim | i started to play with lua |
| 03:34.40 | Venim | then realized i had to do too much stuff |
| 03:34.45 | Venim | i like python because its all done for you |
| 03:34.47 | Legorol | shrugs |
| 03:35.12 | Legorol | Lua is great because it's not just about a language, but also thought was put into the environments in which it'd be embedded |
| 03:35.29 | Legorol | a Lua interpreter is very small and efficient, so Lua is the scripting language of choice as a result in many applications |
| 03:35.47 | Venim | i understand tat |
| 03:35.48 | Venim | that* |
| 03:35.52 | Legorol | which is great :) |
| 03:35.59 | Venim | if you like embedding stuff into apps |
| 03:36.06 | Legorol | i don't like or dislike it |
| 03:36.09 | Venim | there are other things to do :p |
| 03:36.10 | Legorol | Lua is just good at it |
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| 03:36.32 | Venim | oyeah, forgot about concatenation |
| 03:37.06 | Venim | ugh, this scrambler code has fails all over it |
| 03:37.10 | Venim | ok fixed |
| 03:37.22 | Legorol | It's not a coincidence that Lua has been used as the scripting language for games for almost 12 years now at least |
| 03:37.24 | Venim | so, it /should/ work |
| 03:37.45 | Legorol | the oldest case that I know of (and there could be older) is Baldur's Gate from 1998 |
| 03:38.11 | Venim | so, anyone want to test it? |
| 03:38.17 | Legorol | you should |
| 03:38.20 | Legorol | get a free trial account |
| 03:38.20 | Venim | no wow |
| 03:38.22 | Venim | no |
| 03:38.25 | Venim | i did that 3 years ago |
| 03:38.27 | Venim | not doing it again |
| 03:38.30 | Legorol | shrugs |
| 03:38.33 | Venim | and especially not starting over |
| 03:38.38 | Jerub | python is like the worst embeddable language ever, it shouldn't be used for it. lua is designed for it and it's great. |
| 03:38.41 | Venim | well, i did play private servers :p |
| 03:38.50 | Legorol | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:38.50 | Venim | too cheap |
| 03:38.55 | Venim | hey, i stopped |
| 03:38.59 | Venim | and whats wrong with that? |
| 03:39.03 | Legorol | a lot |
| 03:39.05 | Adys | Jerub: python is AWESOME |
| 03:39.05 | Venim | gameplay sucks |
| 03:39.10 | Venim | no people |
| 03:39.15 | Adys | but i agree its not embeddable |
| 03:39.17 | Venim | its just for testing otu the game |
| 03:39.32 | Venim | and i didn't feel like devoting my time to a real game |
| 03:39.34 | Legorol | you are justifying something wrong, don't even try |
| 03:39.39 | Venim | fine i won't |
| 03:39.43 | Legorol | good :) |
| 03:39.43 | Venim | i just don't think its wrong |
| 03:39.50 | Venim | and we'll leave it at that |
| 03:39.54 | Legorol | yah better |
| 03:40.02 | Adys | Venim: its legally wrong |
| 03:40.07 | Adys | and you cant argue with that |
| 03:40.18 | Venim | sort of |
| 03:40.22 | Legorol | you are committing an offence under contract law |
| 03:40.23 | Venim | they give the program away for free |
| 03:40.36 | Venim | and i didn't create the server |
| 03:40.40 | Legorol | but i think i better stop right here or i'll be debating this for the next 3 hours |
| 03:40.49 | Venim | yeah |
| 03:40.53 | Venim | especially since i don't play anymore |
| 03:41.00 | Venim | and haven o desire to |
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| 03:41.49 | Venim | either way, anyone want to test it? |
| 03:41.58 | Venim | it'll take about 10s |
| 03:41.59 | Adys | cant log wow atm |
| 03:42.04 | Adys | would otherwise |
| 03:42.10 | Adys | also, son of awesomeness: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/43296/monster-axe-1h-northrend-iskalders-axe-polearm-d01/ |
| 03:42.15 | Legorol | *sigh* I think WoW has come a long way and has evolved in a great direction, but there's one thing I don't like that evolved: |
| 03:42.18 | Adys | fixed the tooltip sizes |
| 03:42.28 | Legorol | complete loot tables and strategies being available for bosses before they are even released |
| 03:42.35 | Legorol | that's very sad, kills a lot of sense of adventure |
| 03:42.46 | Venim | i want wrcraft IV |
| 03:42.55 | Adys | hey |
| 03:42.56 | Jerub | Legorol: I feel a shitload of adventure getting into a raid that i know is above my gear level. |
| 03:43.01 | Adys | nobody's gonna tell me I'm awesome? |
| 03:43.08 | Legorol | jerub: but no real surprises |
| 03:43.17 | Adys | I just fixed a bug I was trying to fix for over 2 years |
| 03:43.21 | Jerub | Legorol: you don't pug with the people i pug with clearly. |
| 03:43.27 | Jerub | Adys: i think you're awesome. |
| 03:43.30 | Seerah | Adys: you're awesome :) |
| 03:43.31 | Legorol | Venim: sorry i can't be arsed to restart WoW, which i'd have to in order to install a new addon |
| 03:43.39 | Adys | Jerub: seerah's doing it right |
| 03:43.43 | Venim | fine fine |
| 03:43.43 | Adys | Seerah: ~love |
| 03:43.49 | Legorol | Adys: wow, that's awesome (2-year-old bug that is, not you) |
| 03:43.57 | Jerub | I'm reminded of a friend who works for sun, who was called to his manager's manager's office and told to explain himself: he'd written exactly 1 line of committed code in 6 months. |
| 03:44.21 | Jerub | turned out he'd spent 6 months debugging a problem with a storage controller that was holding up a 10 million dollar deal, and had found it. ;) |
| 03:44.33 | Adys | so uh |
| 03:44.37 | Adys | what was the line committed for |
| 03:44.48 | Jerub | Adys: it was a 1 line bug fix. |
| 03:44.57 | Legorol | Adys: no really, you are imba |
| 03:44.58 | Adys | sounds like Sun alright |
| 03:45.04 | Venim | that must be fun |
| 03:45.23 | Adys | Legorol: problem ofc being that I didnt actually fix it |
| 03:45.30 | Legorol | doh |
| 03:45.37 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/43296/monster-axe-1h-northrend-iskalders-axe-polearm-d01/ |
| 03:45.40 | Adys | so the problem is, here |
| 03:45.50 | Adys | that the name is supposed to extend the tooltip all the way |
| 03:45.59 | Adys | never limit its size |
| 03:46.12 | Legorol | it's showing up fine for me |
| 03:46.12 | Adys | HOWEVER, for example, a spell on Equip: / Use/ etc |
| 03:46.39 | Adys | is supposed to take as much space as there is available, with a minimum of x% of its total size and no maximum |
| 03:46.50 | Adys | HOWEVER, it should never extend the tooltip outside its minimum |
| 03:47.08 | Adys | I've come to the conclusion that this isn't possible in css =( |
| 03:47.20 | Legorol | Adys: ok i fail to follow the logic. |
| 03:47.30 | Legorol | If it's not hte name nor the text in Equip: etc., what defines the max size? |
| 03:47.32 | Adys | Ok |
| 03:47.49 | Legorol | basically, this: <Adys> never limit its size |
| 03:47.51 | Legorol | i don't get it |
| 03:47.59 | Adys | Tooltip lines in wow can be of two kind |
| 03:48.02 | Legorol | name is supposed to define a minimum size i take it, but not maximum? |
| 03:48.02 | Adys | limited, or unlimited |
| 03:48.24 | Legorol | aye, depending on whether the FontString has its wrapping turned or not, and depending on its anchoring |
| 03:48.51 | Legorol | (it's a nasty, unintuitive behaviour if i remember right) |
| 03:48.53 | Legorol | (do go on |
| 03:48.57 | Adys | any tooltip line that is not limited will extend the tooltip background until the next linebreak |
| 03:49.24 | Adys | any tooltip line that is limited will ALWAYS take full advantage of the background, so if there is a really long name it's going to take full advantage of it |
| 03:49.42 | Adys | but never extend the tooltip size outside a fixed percentage of the complete line |
| 03:50.20 | Adys | for headdesking reasons I've decided to make that fixed percentage a fixed value (15em) |
| 03:50.32 | Adys | but even then I dont think I can do this =/ |
| 03:51.14 | Legorol | is computing and digesting |
| 03:51.22 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/17/martin-fury/ |
| 03:51.28 | Adys | see this shouldn't happen for example |
| 03:51.43 | Adys | the spell is going all the way to the default maximum tooltip size |
| 03:51.47 | Adys | it should be limited 3em less |
| 03:51.50 | Adys | this is ugly |
| 03:52.04 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/25/worn-shortsword/ this also shouldn't happen |
| 03:52.44 | Adys | I went as far as trying tables to fix it |
| 03:52.45 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/sigrie/tabletooltips.html |
| 03:53.05 | Legorol | ok, i think something just hit me: when you are talking about limited/unlimited, you are talking about your site, not WoW? |
| 03:53.13 | Adys | I am talking about wow |
| 03:53.24 | Legorol | and also, when you say "complete line", that refers to the entire width of the line in a web browser? |
| 03:53.24 | Adys | I'm trying to reproduce that behaviour with css |
| 03:53.38 | Legorol | i mean, what do you mean by "line" |
| 03:53.50 | Legorol | just stuff that is inside the boundaries of the tooltip, or all the way to the edge of the browser window |
| 03:53.51 | Adys | anything until linebreak or eol |
| 03:53.52 | Legorol | (or page) |
| 03:54.15 | Legorol | linebreak in the text? |
| 03:54.19 | Adys | sure |
| 03:54.20 | Legorol | i'm confused about the word "line" |
| 03:54.33 | Adys | TooltipLine1, TooltipLine2 |
| 03:55.45 | Adys | basically, as I said |
| 03:55.46 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/sigrie/tabletooltips.html |
| 03:55.53 | Adys | this is the exact intended behaviour |
| 03:56.00 | Adys | however its impossible to draw a background on it |
| 03:56.31 | Adys | or is it |
| 03:56.32 | Adys | sec |
| 03:57.54 | Legorol | Adys: ok i think i know why i'm lost. You are using "line" to refer to tooltip lines in the WoW sense, but you are using "linebreak" as well |
| 03:58.03 | Legorol | is "linebreak" referring to embedded \n? or what? |
| 03:58.26 | Legorol | for example: if you have a really long Equip: description that wraps around and is displayed as multiple lines of text, |
| 03:58.36 | Adys | embedded \n yes |
| 03:58.37 | Legorol | do you refer to it as a linebreak in your teminology? |
| 03:58.39 | Adys | there are some of those |
| 03:58.43 | Adys | and no |
| 03:58.52 | Adys | wow generates those linebreaks |
| 03:59.34 | Legorol | aye |
| 04:00.02 | Legorol | so by linebreak you are referring to the demarcation of the FontStrings |
| 04:00.08 | Adys | yes |
| 04:00.09 | Legorol | so what is a "complete line" |
| 04:00.18 | Legorol | as in: <Adys> but never extend the tooltip size outside a fixed percentage of the complete line |
| 04:00.27 | Adys | a complete line is either an embedded \n in the line or EOL |
| 04:00.36 | Adys | s/either/until either/ |
| 04:01.21 | Legorol | ok, now i can parse your definitions :) |
| 04:01.28 | Legorol | god, that's some quirky behaviour |
| 04:03.05 | Legorol | what is wrong with http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/25/worn-shortsword/? |
| 04:03.13 | Legorol | i don't see anything obviously out of place |
| 04:04.13 | Adys | the 1-3 Damage |
| 04:04.13 | Adys | breaks |
| 04:04.24 | Adys | but hold on i think i fixed it |
| 04:04.37 | Legorol | it doesn't break for me on IE7 at least |
| 04:04.43 | Legorol | i mean IE8 |
| 04:05.05 | Adys | yeah well chrome |
| 04:05.17 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/sigrie/tabletooltips.html |
| 04:05.22 | Adys | this |
| 04:05.25 | Adys | is what should work |
| 04:07.05 | Adys | but its still not possible |
| 04:07.43 | Adys | because the entire tooltip is contained within the name row |
| 04:08.05 | Adys | the name row itself will work |
| 04:08.28 | Adys | but any other line that is not supposed to wrap, such as a long stat, wont |
| 04:10.25 | Adys | Friday, 13th November |
| 04:10.35 | Adys | 06:10 am: I have officially given up on tooltip fixes |
| 04:10.44 | Legorol | :) smart move |
| 04:10.48 | Legorol | they are all readable anyway |
| 04:11.03 | Adys | this was more of a challenge |
| 04:11.22 | Adys | I'm happy because the fix I've committed is replicating 98% of the intended behaviour |
| 04:13.35 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/17802/thunderfury-blessed-blade-of-the-windseeker-deprec/ |
| 04:13.41 | Adys | this is the missing 2% :/ |
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| 04:20.36 | Legorol | Is thunderfury really deprecated? As in, not craftable anymore? |
| 04:20.56 | Adys | no this is a test item |
| 04:21.14 | Adys | real tf: |
| 04:21.14 | Adys | [05:59:33] <+Legorol> aye |
| 04:21.18 | Adys | ffs |
| 04:21.19 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/19019/thunderfury-blessed-blade-of-the-windseeker/ |
| 04:21.28 | Legorol | ah ok |
| 04:21.49 | Legorol | i'm off for tonight, gluck with fixoring Adys, bai |
| 04:22.03 | Adys | night |
| 04:23.06 | Jerub | hey, any idea what the two updates pushed out this week were? |
| 04:23.49 | Jerub | hehehe |
| 04:23.51 | Jerub | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/49925/brazies-handbook-to-handling-human-hunnies/ |
| 04:24.09 | Ycarene | Jerub - I don't know but its a pain in the ass because you have to run the Launcher to get them. |
| 04:24.21 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20861003420&sid=1 |
| 04:24.55 | Ycarene | Jerub - I've been spending all day compiling 32 bit libraries just so wine will have jpeg support so I can run the d**n launcher. |
| 04:25.37 | Jerub | Ycarene: sucks to be you. |
| 04:25.50 | Jerub | Ycarene: otoh, i can't run wow on this laptop because it's got intel graphics, :/ |
| 04:27.31 | kd3 | 'yum install wine.i586' |
| 04:27.32 | kd3 | poof |
| 04:27.53 | Ycarene | Jerub - I probably should have used this portage overlay when it came out, rather than waiting until I needed it though. |
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| 04:43.34 | Quadrescence | This is fucking disgusting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta2rF6Syi0U |
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| 04:49.28 | cog|away | pfft |
| 04:49.45 | cogwheel | tasty snack imo :O |
| 04:50.10 | Adys | seen much more disgusting insects than termites |
| 04:50.13 | Adys | unfortunately :( |
| 04:50.45 | cogwheel | potato bugs are pretty high on my list ... don't know why which is quite annoying... |
| 04:50.58 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/11/13-natures-disgusting-parasites/ |
| 04:51.49 | Kraps | just ported out of nexus, still have 2 stacks of intense cold :p |
| 04:52.05 | Kraps | which will eventually kill me |
| 04:52.49 | cogwheel | Adys: that's awesome! |
| 04:55.03 | cogwheel | i was eating raw green beans once. Took a bite out of one, swallowed, looked down and there were little white things spilling out |
| 04:55.13 | cogwheel | wriggling |
| 05:01.26 | Jerub | cogwheel: excellent |
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| 05:07.37 | Thunder_Child | i think slowfall should stay on until you touch the ground |
| 05:08.29 | cogwheel | pfft lern2parachute! =D |
| 05:10.05 | Thunder_Child | i fell for so long i had to slowfall 4 times |
| 05:10.13 | Thunder_Child | recast |
| 05:12.28 | cogwheel | so cast it just before you hit? |
| 05:13.12 | Seerah | or blink |
| 05:16.06 | Thunder_Child | oh, i'm not worried, i just didnt want to have to cast it that many times |
| 05:17.33 | cogwheel | http://atheists.org/events/December_Fools_Day (it's not about religion) |
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| 05:21.58 | Hirsute | *sigh* We start treating my daughter for H1N1 tomorrow morning. Poor girl. |
| 05:26.06 | cogwheel | :( |
| 05:28.25 | Shirik | H1N1 isn't that big of a deal anymore though no? |
| 05:28.48 | Jerub | Shirik: it's the same illness that it was. |
| 05:28.58 | Shirik | yeah but it's not like cancer |
| 05:29.26 | Cairenn | Hirsute: ugh, hope she's okay! |
| 05:29.30 | Jerub | Shirik: it's still infectious, and still a dangerous flu variety. and the medication can seem like worse than the illness. :( |
| 05:29.41 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:29.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: people die from it. |
| 05:29.55 | Cairenn | people are still dying from it, sorry, not what Hirsute wants to hear, but it's true |
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| 05:29.59 | Shirik | but is that because of the disease or improper treatment? |
| 05:30.00 | Jerub | Hirsute: here's hoping for a quick recovery. |
| 05:30.18 | Hirsute | Cairenn: I'm a 3rd-year medical student, not something I didn't already know. |
| 05:30.24 | Cairenn | nod |
| 05:30.31 | Hirsute | I just feel bad for her. She's *amazingly* miserable right now. |
| 05:30.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: hope she gets better soon :) |
| 05:30.34 | Jerub | Shirik: i only know what the newspaper said, and thus i only know lies. |
| 05:30.34 | Cairenn | still, not something you want to hear/know =/ |
| 05:30.35 | Shirik | I'm a software engineer. I live in my fantasy world where nothing is bad. |
| 05:30.56 | Hirsute | Shirik: Except COBOL, COBOL is the devil. |
| 05:31.01 | Hirsute | And maybe FORTRAN |
| 05:31.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: sometimes i envy you for that delightful bubble you live in :P |
| 05:31.19 | Cairenn | Shirik: so far there have been 161 deaths from H1N1 in Canada |
| 05:31.25 | Shirik | I don't have to see COBOL or FORTRAn |
| 05:31.31 | Shirik | not approved for use in aircraft :D |
| 05:31.31 | ckknight | Shirik: NullReferenceException |
| 05:31.33 | Cairenn | and it's not like folks here can't get treatement |
| 05:31.35 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: don't. can you imagine the stench? |
| 05:31.55 | ckknight | Shirik: be afraid. |
| 05:32.03 | Cairenn | 61 deaths in Ontario, 35 in Quebec ... |
| 05:32.15 | Shirik | throws an OutOfMemoryError at ckknight |
| 05:32.20 | ckknight | noes |
| 05:32.32 | Hirsute | How many from seasonal flu, Cairenn? I know last year the seasonal flu killed far more people than H1N1 did. H1N1 was just scary because it seemed to have a penchant for killing people that seonal flu wouldn't have. |
| 05:32.46 | Cairenn | Hirsute: no, this is H1N1 |
| 05:32.47 | Cairenn | http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/alert-alerte/h1n1/surveillance-eng.php |
| 05:32.52 | Corrodias | that's scary enough for me |
| 05:32.58 | Shirik | I think he was asking a separate question, Cairenn |
| 05:32.59 | Corrodias | seasonal flu can't hurt me |
| 05:33.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: i said sometimes :) |
| 05:33.16 | cogwheel | I live in an area of the country which has one of the lowest vaccination rates :( damn hippies (literally) |
| 05:33.17 | Cairenn | oh, duh, nm, you're right, he did |
| 05:33.35 | Hirsute | Cairenn: I know. I was asking if you knew how H1N1 was comparing to Seasonal flu. |
| 05:33.44 | Cairenn | nod, just understood |
| 05:33.45 | Torhal | NightHawkTheSane: Bubble isn't the word. We had to enlighten him to the horrors of Twilight. |
| 05:33.46 | Hirsute | No biggy, though. |
| 05:33.54 | Hirsute | *shudder* |
| 05:33.55 | Jerub | cogwheel: yeah, we had a measels outbreak in one of the hippy hinterlands near here last year :( |
| 05:34.01 | Jerub | stupid fucking anti-vaccination shitheads. |
| 05:34.06 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 05:34.08 | Hirsute | Please don't talk about sparkly vampires... |
| 05:34.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Torhal: i was being kind :) |
| 05:34.52 | Torhal | Hirsute: Hehehe |
| 05:35.26 | Bruners | Jerub: those people are the good ones |
| 05:35.34 | cogwheel | http://tinyurl.com/ch28qt |
| 05:35.41 | Hirsute | Bruners: Who are the bad ones? |
| 05:35.47 | Bruners | everyone else |
| 05:36.33 | Cairenn | Hirsute: this is the best that I can find so far: http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/fluwatch/index-eng.php |
| 05:37.10 | Hirsute | Cairenn: Thanks, I know where to look for US stats, not as familiar with Canadian number keepers though. |
| 05:37.16 | Cairenn | nod |
| 05:37.20 | Hirsute | Bruners: As in, the people who *do* vaccinate? |
| 05:37.22 | Cairenn | well, now you do :) |
| 05:37.28 | Hirsute | Thanks! |
| 05:37.51 | Jerub | "...where parents of 76 percent of kindergartners obtained exemptions from vaccines,..." |
| 05:37.59 | Bruners | Hirsute: no, everyone else |
| 05:38.00 | Jerub | nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure. |
| 05:38.01 | cogwheel | is afraid jenny mccarthy may be right |
| 05:38.34 | cogwheel | it may very well take a resurgence of long-forgotten diseases for them to get the picture :( |
| 05:38.35 | Bruners | how many different types of the vaccine do you have in USA? |
| 05:38.36 | Hirsute | Gah, that article you linked is already making me irritated, cogwheel. |
| 05:38.57 | cogwheel | I work in sebastopol and went to middle school there. |
| 05:39.14 | Hirsute | Bruners: Of the H1N1 vaccine? 2 primary types. The live-attenuated nasal spray, the injectable killed-virus. |
| 05:39.30 | cogwheel | <-- me |
| 05:39.32 | cogwheel | err |
| 05:39.37 | cogwheel | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/07/05/doomed/ <-- me |
| 05:40.09 | Hirsute | "There has long been a belief in some circles that the rising rate of autism is linked with vaccinations, particularly the mercury contained in some." <--No mention of the fact that this has been pretty soundly shown to be untrue. |
| 05:40.11 | Bruners | Hirsute: seems like everyone except norway has more than one type |
| 05:40.49 | Hirsute | Bruners: They really advocate the nasal-spray one, but there are groups of people that would get sick from that one, who are the ones the injectable form is primarily for. |
| 05:40.53 | Jerub | Hirsute: didn't it mention something about a court ruling there was no link? |
| 05:41.28 | Hirsute | Jerub: Looking for a court ruling mention now. I'm still really not that far into the article. |
| 05:42.13 | Jerub | what shits me the most is that when there's a large % of the population that aren't vaccinated, it puts vacinated chldren in danger. |
| 05:42.39 | Jerub | i mean, i don't care about the children of stupid people, but when they put in danger the children of responsible parents, that's taking it too far. |
| 05:42.54 | Hirsute | Jerub: Ah yes, next paragraph. I still wish they'd been more definitive about the statement that vaccines *do not* cause or increase the rate of autism. |
| 05:43.07 | Thunder_Child | hmm...you know, i do belive blizz is the apple of gaming. |
| 05:43.20 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: the cherry perhaps? |
| 05:43.20 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: ya rly |
| 05:43.32 | Thunder_Child | Jerub, company |
| 05:43.51 | cogwheel | it wasn't actually a court ruling iirc. there's a special board in charge of handling claims of harm caused by vaccination |
| 05:43.55 | Thunder_Child | if nothing else, their products are elegant, just like apples stuff |
| 05:44.10 | Thunder_Child | and made for idiots |
| 05:44.12 | Jerub | oooh, apple. the fruit copmany. |
| 05:44.17 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: thanks in a large part to the work of others :P |
| 05:44.28 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel, hmm? |
| 05:45.00 | cogwheel | they do a lot of re-imagining of others' innovations |
| 05:45.15 | Thunder_Child | uh..who is 'they' |
| 05:45.15 | Shirik | o.O |
| 05:45.16 | Thunder_Child | ? |
| 05:45.27 | Jerub | blizz really didn't do a good job of the 'inital experience' thing that apple is so fond of getting right. |
| 05:45.40 | cogwheel | blizzard |
| 05:45.41 | Hirsute | Either Apple or Blizz, in this case. |
| 05:45.54 | Thunder_Child | thanks for the obvious there Hirsute |
| 05:45.54 | Shirik | Someone just posted a job offerring for someonee with C++/C and Lua experience (~3yrs), ~$90k. Doesn't that seem a bit high? |
| 05:46.33 | Hirsute | Thunder_Child: Heh. I blame my tiredness. I was stressing that Apple does it as much as Blizz does, just more smoothly. |
| 05:46.46 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel, i never said creative. just elegant. jag didnt make the first car, but they do make an elegant one |
| 05:47.01 | Hirsute | Shirik: It's obviously a job programming for the Mob. They don't mention the "we'll ice your enemies for free," benefits in the ad. |
| 05:47.39 | Thunder_Child | Jerub, i wasnt actually thinking of wow when i said that tbh |
| 05:47.56 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: oh, right. |
| 05:48.00 | Jerub | sure, for their other games, i agree. |
| 05:48.07 | Hirsute | btw, Jerub, thanks for the wave invite. |
| 05:48.38 | Bruners | has there been any QQ about people not being able to log into wow because of not converting to battle.net? |
| 05:48.51 | Hirsute | Heh. |
| 05:48.55 | Hirsute | Yes, mounds. |
| 05:51.49 | Shirik | seriously, how can you qq about that |
| 05:51.53 | Shirik | they gave you like TWO MONTHS |
| 05:52.10 | Thunder_Child | because PEOPLE. ARE. STUPID. |
| 05:52.17 | Thunder_Child | end of story |
| 05:53.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: more than that |
| 05:53.30 | NightHawkTheSane | the conversion has been available for like a year |
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| 05:57.30 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, i think he meant 2 months of warnings |
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| 06:01.49 | Thunder_Child | is ads on tpb new? |
| 06:03.43 | ZorbaTHut | hmm, if you were using questhelper and wanted an option for "show me the starting locations of all the quests I haven't done", where would you expect it to be? |
| 06:04.14 | Hirsute | In a big, fat "WIN!!!!!" button on my map. |
| 06:04.46 | ZorbaTHut | tempting. |
| 06:05.39 | Hirsute | But, in reality, I'd have to have used quest helper to have some idea where it would fit in your configuration. |
| 06:05.44 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, maybe shift+lclick on the map button |
| 06:06.07 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, the problem is that there's no good place for it that also makes it noticable. |
| 06:06.24 | ZorbaTHut | I guess I'll put it in the standard CLI interface and the Questhelper menu. I need to sit down and improve the UI though. |
| 06:07.04 | Thunder_Child | uh...the qh button on the map is way noticable sadly |
| 06:07.42 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, and I don't really want to add a second button on the map, so I'll have to jam it in there |
| 06:07.45 | Thunder_Child | though the button is way fail in cart4 |
| 06:09.13 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 06:09.15 | Fisker | i'm sorry |
| 06:09.18 | Fisker | but i have to destroy you :( |
| 06:09.24 | Shirik | WITH 1000000000000 LITERS OF MILK |
| 06:09.30 | Fisker | atleast |
| 06:09.48 | Fisker | haha |
| 06:10.03 | Fisker | "mandatory battle.net conversion ... is now part of the new battle.net!" |
| 06:10.06 | Hirsute | Have there been changes to the ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter functionality lately? My chat filtering addon seems to have stopped working in the last patch or so... |
| 06:10.07 | Fisker | and i was like wait, what? |
| 06:10.21 | Fisker | but then i failed @ reading |
| 06:10.36 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: I'd like it really noticable. on the map under 'Quest Helper' would be best. also in the addon configuration screen. |
| 06:11.09 | Hirsute | Cart4? Did Cart3 ever really go anywhere? I moved back to cartographer after some frustration with Cart3 that I no longer recall. |
| 06:11.40 | Thunder_Child | oh..whichever the zoomy one is |
| 06:11.47 | Thunder_Child | the numbers blur |
| 06:12.02 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, it would be nice to be able to bind it as well. |
| 06:12.22 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, there's a lot of stuff that QH's configuration system could use |
| 06:12.57 | Hirsute | Huh. That's... weird. My chat filtering addon just seems to not work on that one specific computer. Very puzzling. |
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| 06:14.18 | Hirsute | Time to wipe the SV files for that addon on that compy and see if it gets fixed. |
| 06:14.22 | *** join/#wowuidev tekkub (n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub) |
| 06:14.22 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 06:17.34 | Hirsute | Dongle is a funny word. |
| 06:18.51 | Fisker | sucks on Hirsute's dongle |
| 06:18.59 | Fisker | i mean, yeah |
| 06:20.43 | Hirsute | wonders why Fisker is sucking on his Blizzard authenticator... |
| 06:21.11 | Quadrescence | OOHHHHHH OHHHHHHHH SOOO MUCH FOR MY HAPPY ENDING |
| 06:21.29 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan@c-76-107-191-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 06:21.36 | Hirsute | Now look what you did. |
| 06:21.48 | Hirsute | Went and scared her off. |
| 06:21.56 | Thunder_Child | it's not hard poor thing |
| 06:22.08 | Thunder_Child | s/d p/d, p/ |
| 06:22.10 | Quadrescence | O_O |
| 06:22.19 | Quadrescence | Thunder_Child: d p = double penetration |
| 06:22.36 | Thunder_Child | and yet another person stating the obvious |
| 06:22.43 | Thunder_Child | must be that time of month |
| 06:22.51 | Quadrescence | inorite? |
| 06:23.56 | Shirik | what are you talking about... |
| 06:24.20 | Torhal | ROFL |
| 06:24.49 | Hirsute | Difficult to trace that particular derailed conversational locomotive back to it's point of departure from its determined path. |
| 06:25.03 | Hirsute | I'm really far too tired to be typing to anyone right now. |
| 06:25.30 | Torhal | Hirsute: I'm curious - has Fisker had a brain bypass? |
| 06:25.59 | Quadrescence | BYE BYE BYE, bye bye bye, oh oh oh, I'm doiiiiiin this tonight, youre probly gonna start a fight, I know this cant be right, hey baby come on |
| 06:26.34 | Hirsute | Torhal: I've no idea. Fisker, have you? |
| 06:26.50 | Hirsute | And Quadrescence: It seems you are in far worse shape for typing than I. |
| 06:27.55 | Quadrescence | you might been hurt, bay beeeeeee |
| 06:28.30 | Shirik | have you all lost your minds? |
| 06:28.49 | NightHawkTheSane | i think we found someone more annoying than fisker |
| 06:29.13 | Quadrescence | NightHawkTheSane: No, my shit is just compiling. |
| 06:29.30 | Hirsute | Shirik: No, mine just went to bed. |
| 06:29.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: no, in reality we're being quite rational, you're the one who's lost your mind. I'm sorry. |
| 06:30.06 | Shirik | for once I honestly think I am far more coherent than any of you |
| 06:30.11 | Hirsute | If I go to bed, however, I'll be just getting to sleep next time my daughter wakes up screaming. |
| 06:30.15 | Quadrescence | Shirik: Want to bet on that? |
| 06:30.22 | Thunder_Child | lies Shirik |
| 06:30.33 | NightHawkTheSane | i can't possibly have lost my mind |
| 06:30.38 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm still sane, see? |
| 06:30.39 | NightHawkTheSane | <-- |
| 06:30.40 | Thunder_Child | you didnt have one to begin with |
| 06:30.51 | NightHawkTheSane | quiet, you |
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| 06:30.56 | Thunder_Child | nevah! |
| 06:31.54 | Shirik | sets mode -sane on NightHawkTheSane |
| 06:32.06 | Shirik | I want to be an ircop just so I can do that |
| 06:35.07 | evad87 | sup sup fools |
| 06:35.31 | cogwheel | yeah, sup Fisker? |
| 06:35.32 | Hirsute | wonders if anyone ever answers an greeting like that... |
| 06:35.41 | Hirsute | s/an/a/ |
| 06:35.43 | Quadrescence | yeah sup cogwheel |
| 06:35.47 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel, apparently |
| 06:36.01 | evad87 | people answer |
| 06:36.03 | evad87 | see =) |
| 06:36.28 | cogwheel | aww, at least i was being mean to Fisker though, right? |
| 06:36.35 | Thunder_Child | i take offence at being called a fool..please, i am an asshole |
| 06:37.06 | NightHawkTheSane | you can be both |
| 06:37.24 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: meh, being mean to fisker is so last year :P |
| 06:37.31 | Thunder_Child | i may be an ass, but i am not stupid |
| 06:37.49 | cogwheel | >< |
| 06:37.59 | Hirsute | Heh. Had a patient in for an interview the other day who was being an absolute asshole, and you could tell by the looks on everyone on the team's faces that we all thought that, and he stops mid sentence and says, "You know what, I'm an asshole." |
| 06:38.11 | evad87 | sup sup "asshole" & fools! |
| 06:38.15 | Hirsute | Took everything I had not to say, "You said it, not me" |
| 06:38.19 | Thunder_Child | better |
| 06:38.34 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-oolf NightHawkTheSane cogwheel] by Shirik |
| 06:38.39 | Shirik | aw, it reordered it |
| 06:38.44 | Shirik | I was supposed to be -fool |
| 06:38.45 | Hirsute | Heh |
| 06:38.49 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Shirik |
| 06:38.50 | purl | Shirik: FAIL! |
| 06:38.59 | kd3 | ~failrik |
| 06:38.59 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 06:38.59 | Hirsute | Hrmm |
| 06:39.00 | Hirsute | ~= |
| 06:39.15 | Hirsute | Ah, purl forgot. |
| 06:39.55 | Thunder_Child | ~~ |
| 06:39.56 | purl | rumour has it, ~ is the key |
| 06:40.16 | Shirik | ~~~ |
| 06:40.21 | NightHawkTheSane | ~~~~~~ |
| 06:40.21 | purl | ACTION takes out a revolver and shoots nighthawkthesane in the head three times. |
| 06:40.36 | Hirsute | ~= |
| 06:40.56 | Hirsute | purl, ~= is "is not" |
| 06:40.57 | purl | Hirsute: i already had it that way |
| 06:41.09 | Hirsute | ~~= |
| 06:41.10 | purl | hmm... ~= is "is not" |
| 06:41.14 | Hirsute | Aaaah |
| 06:41.47 | NightHawkTheSane | ~literal = |
| 06:41.54 | NightHawkTheSane | hm |
| 06:43.03 | Shirik | purl, = is "is not" |
| 06:43.04 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, Shirik |
| 06:43.09 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:43.22 | Shirik | ~= is is not |
| 06:43.22 | purl | Shirik: what are you talking about? |
| 06:43.24 | NightHawkTheSane | see, losing your mind |
| 06:44.12 | Shirik | we the youthful, sinewy races all the rest on us depend |
| 06:44.19 | Quadrescence | ~= is regex match |
| 06:44.20 | purl | Quadrescence: I think you lost me on that one |
| 06:44.21 | Quadrescence | u faggots |
| 06:44.48 | Quadrescence | Sorry that was uncalled for. |
| 06:45.03 | NightHawkTheSane | no, uncalled for would be a kickban that Shirik is probably too kind to do. :P |
| 06:45.28 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-o+b NightHawkTheSane *!*=jonathan@li83-182.members.linode.com] by Shirik |
| 06:45.28 | *** kick/#wowuidev [NightHawkTheSane!n=mpdelbuo@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik] by Shirik (uncalled for) |
| 06:45.33 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-b *!*=jonathan@li83-182.members.linode.com] by Shirik |
| 06:45.36 | Torhal | Quadrescence: You need to take lessons from Fisker. |
| 06:45.45 | Quadrescence | Torhal: No, he needs to from me. |
| 06:46.09 | Torhal | I'm sorry, but "u faggots" wasn't even trolling. |
| 06:46.22 | Quadrescence | Torhal: Read the log of when I joined |
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| 06:49.06 | tekkub | Cairenn |
| 06:49.11 | tekkub | asked my jewbear |
| 06:49.12 | Cairenn | tekkub |
| 06:49.33 | Cairenn | asked him what? |
| 06:49.36 | tekkub | he says, depending on how strictly you take the rule, he couldn't use the pig-based contact cleaner |
| 06:49.43 | Cairenn | ahhhhh |
| 06:50.14 | tekkub | but in converse, since the stuff is actually used to CLEAN the contacts, it might not be too much of a problem |
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| 06:50.27 | Cairenn | nod |
| 06:50.28 | Shirik | hi NightHawkTheSane |
| 06:50.32 | Shirik | I own you |
| 06:50.43 | Shirik | apparently I can get you to join any channel I want :D |
| 06:50.46 | Cairenn | it's an interesting theoretical discussion, if nothing else :) |
| 06:50.56 | Thunder_Child | i think i feel sorry for troy |
| 06:51.13 | Thunder_Child | trey* |
| 06:51.20 | Quadrescence | i feel sorry for your lots |
| 06:51.21 | tekkub | yea that's really all it is, if you had contacts and needed to use the stuff, you would |
| 06:51.30 | Quadrescence | i am truly sorry for your lots |
| 06:51.55 | Cairenn | s/theoretical/philosophical/ |
| 06:53.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: so you.. er.. figured out how to use the ban and kick button, and how to use the invite command? um? grats? :P |
| 06:53.52 | NightHawkTheSane | goes to bed like he was about to |
| 06:54.01 | Shirik | you asked for kickban! |
| 06:54.08 | Shirik | and then I owned you with invite |
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| 06:54.11 | Shirik | WHICH YOU DID NOT EXPECT |
| 06:54.28 | NightHawkTheSane | are you sure? why do you think i left auto-join on invite on, HMMM!? |
| 06:54.54 | Shirik | you didn't |
| 06:54.57 | Shirik | I haxed and turned it on |
| 06:55.03 | Thunder_Child | "well officer, i dont know why Shirik went on that killing spree, but he did seem rather disturved in irc." |
| 06:55.08 | Shirik | and then I haxed your brain and convinced you it was you the whole time |
| 06:55.10 | Thunder_Child | disturbed* |
| 06:55.17 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft |
| 06:55.24 | NightHawkTheSane | you couldn't hack a toaster to not burn bread. ;) |
| 06:55.31 | NightHawkTheSane | really goes to sleep now. night folks. :P |
| 06:55.42 | Quadrescence | Shirik: What gender are you? |
| 06:55.56 | Thunder_Child | she is a he |
| 06:56.14 | Quadrescence | Thunder_Child: Why would you call your fellow peer a transsexual? |
| 06:56.24 | Thunder_Child | Quadrescence, because i can |
| 06:57.04 | Quadrescence | o |
| 06:57.44 | Cairenn | because the regulars in here have been regulars for so long that we're all friends (more or less :p ) and tease the shit out of each other :) |
| 06:58.02 | Shirik | Thunder_Child is jealous of my camera |
| 06:58.04 | Thunder_Child | wait...tease? i was serious |
| 06:58.07 | Shirik | Cairenn is scared of my camera |
| 06:58.17 | Shirik | Iriel will trump my camera soon |
| 06:58.19 | Cairenn | camera? where? /hide |
| 06:58.19 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, must i comment on poorness of your camera yet again? |
| 06:58.23 | Hirsute | steals Shirik's camera |
| 06:58.28 | Shirik | Hirsute has my camera |
| 06:58.31 | Iriel | Nah, i'm good for a bit |
| 06:58.48 | Shirik | but can you do ISO 25600! |
| 06:58.53 | Iriel | Unless for some reason the economy turns around and someone decides to pay me a ton of surprise money |
| 06:58.55 | Quadrescence | Cairenn: You're a transsexual |
| 06:59.11 | Thunder_Child | sadly cameras are starting to become like computers. a couple of years and they are paperweights |
| 06:59.14 | Quadrescence | Am I family now? :D |
| 06:59.24 | Shirik | fortunately, unlike computers, the interface stays relatively the same |
| 06:59.25 | Cairenn | sorry, you haven't been here long enough to be a regular, so you don't get to tease yet |
| 06:59.27 | Hirsute | Sometimes I forget what it was like to be 13. |
| 06:59.41 | Thunder_Child | Hirsute, your 14 now? |
| 06:59.42 | Cairenn | and I'm very very much female and damn happy that way :) |
| 06:59.47 | Shirik | I had the unfortunate experience of having to replace the entire outfit, but in the future I hope that the lenses will be able to sustain me for a while |
| 06:59.52 | Shirik | and I can change out the body if I really need to |
| 06:59.56 | Hirsute | Thunder_Child: 13 and 1/2 |
| 07:00.03 | Hirsute | Okay, time for bed. |
| 07:00.06 | Hirsute | Later all! |
| 07:00.33 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i dunno, periferals like keyboards and monitors can still plug into the newest ones after 10+ years |
| 07:00.46 | Shirik | keyboards don't cost $1500 |
| 07:00.50 | Thunder_Child | one of these days i will learn how to spell |
| 07:00.52 | Shirik | and monitors have changed, though not much |
| 07:00.59 | Thunder_Child | one does Shirik |
| 07:01.06 | Thunder_Child | the oled keyboard |
| 07:01.06 | Shirik | ... |
| 07:01.11 | Torhal | Cairenn: Watch it, he might try to pick you up |
| 07:01.12 | Thunder_Child | forgot the name |
| 07:01.20 | Shirik | I know what you're talking about |
| 07:01.51 | Thunder_Child | or was it 2500? *shrg* |
| 07:01.54 | Iriel | TC: Optimus |
| 07:01.56 | Thunder_Child | shrug* |
| 07:02.01 | Thunder_Child | ya |
| 07:02.04 | Thunder_Child | thanks Iriel |
| 07:03.14 | Thunder_Child | the 2 things i really want in a camera is low light and slow mo |
| 07:03.30 | Shirik | I have been satisfied with my camera's low light response |
| 07:03.36 | Shirik | slow mo what is that? |
| 07:03.43 | Thunder_Child | slow motion |
| 07:03.47 | Quadrescence | slow mo stands for quick replay |
| 07:03.50 | Shirik | yeah what does that mean |
| 07:03.57 | Shirik | like slow shutter speed? |
| 07:04.04 | Thunder_Child | other way |
| 07:04.09 | Shirik | fast? |
| 07:04.12 | Shirik | 1/8000 is fast for me |
| 07:04.15 | Quadrescence | Erm, slowmo wouldn't be fast shutter speed |
| 07:04.20 | Shirik | or are you meaning low light with fast shutter speed? |
| 07:06.05 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_post.asp?method=sidebyside&cameras=casio_exf1&show=all |
| 07:06.29 | Shirik | 40k? Is that really necessary? |
| 07:06.44 | Thunder_Child | and 1200 fps vid |
| 07:06.51 | Thunder_Child | though the 300fps is fun enough |
| 07:07.21 | Shirik | but why |
| 07:07.26 | Shirik | I'm missing the "why" here |
| 07:07.38 | Shirik | sure it has great specs, but no practical purpose to go that high |
| 07:07.47 | Shirik | just like all the server providers that go "OMG UNLIMITED BANDWIDTH" |
| 07:07.48 | Thunder_Child | well the img part take sa burst of 60 at a time, lets you get the perfect pic of his speed images |
| 07:07.50 | Shirik | knowing that nobody will ever use it |
| 07:08.04 | Thunder_Child | take pictures of lightning |
| 07:08.10 | Thunder_Child | you can actually capture |
| 07:08.11 | Thunder_Child | etc |
| 07:08.21 | Shirik | I have tons of pictures of lightning tbh |
| 07:08.25 | Shirik | accidentally |
| 07:08.30 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 07:08.34 | Shirik | it actually screwed up one of my HDR shots |
| 07:09.24 | Shirik | I always thought it would be neat to work at Canon |
| 07:09.29 | Thunder_Child | thing like watching a match spark in slow mo always captured my attention. stuff like that |
| 07:09.31 | Shirik | I would apply to them if I didn't already have a locked down job |
| 07:09.33 | Thunder_Child | things* |
| 07:09.49 | Shirik | see I do more scenic photography, nature, etc. |
| 07:09.57 | Shirik | mostly land/waterscapes |
| 07:09.58 | Shirik | so |
| 07:10.05 | Shirik | waterfalls don't really move that fast |
| 07:10.53 | Thunder_Child | i didnt say for you |
| 07:11.06 | Shirik | sure, if that's what you want by all means go for it |
| 07:11.13 | Shirik | I have different demands, I guess |
| 07:11.27 | Shirik | I have two primary uses: scenic photography and sports shots |
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| 07:12.57 | Guest22385 | hum |
| 07:13.03 | Guest22385 | I think my linode just went down |
| 07:13.13 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 07:13.31 | Shirik | I think.... all of linode just went down? |
| 07:13.35 | Shirik | anyway |
| 07:13.37 | Shirik | (02:10:47) (@Shirik) sure, if that's what you want by all means go for it |
| 07:13.37 | Shirik | (02:10:53) (@Shirik) I have different demands, I guess |
| 07:13.41 | Shirik | (02:11:04) (@Shirik) I have two primary uses: scenic photography and sports shots |
| 07:13.43 | Shirik | (02:11:11) (@Shirik) sports shots require high framerates, but not that fast |
| 07:13.45 | Shirik | (02:11:17) * Disconnected |
| 07:13.54 | Jerub | Shirik: nope, i'm on a linod |
| 07:14.05 | Shirik | well I can't get to linode.com nor my box |
| 07:14.18 | Jerub | what ip? let me see if this linode ca get to it. |
| 07:14.23 | Shirik | mm there it goes |
| 07:14.27 | Shirik | um |
| 07:14.33 | Shirik | ~dns li23-154.members.linode.com |
| 07:14.37 | Shirik | that one |
| 07:14.43 | Shirik | seems back up now |
| 07:14.47 | Jerub | it's up |
| 07:14.49 | Shirik | I need to check my logs |
| 07:15.14 | Thunder_Child | it would help for sports shots Shirik |
| 07:15.17 | Shirik | JobID: 1505562 - Lassie initiated boot |
| 07:15.21 | Shirik | :/ |
| 07:15.40 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: I don't really agree |
| 07:15.56 | Shirik | I have had no problem at all with 5 fps and 1/8000s |
| 07:16.08 | Shirik | Of course, I spent years practicing sports shots at 3 fps and 1/2000s |
| 07:16.12 | Shirik | so that seems very fast to me |
| 07:16.48 | Shirik | switching back to the bouncer |
| 07:18.17 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, it's like this, you presss the shutter button once and you get 60 shots @ the time of the shutter and before it. |
| 07:18.22 | Thunder_Child | <3 |
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| 07:23.15 | Thunder_Child | 23:18.10      Thunder_Child: Shirik, it's like this, you presss the shutter button once and you get 60 shots @ the time of the shutter and before it. |
| 07:23.16 | Thunder_Child | 23:18.15      Thunder_Child: <3 |
| 07:23.32 | Shirik | But why |
| 07:23.33 | Fisker- | you wouldn't lick a turd |
| 07:23.49 | Shirik | Maybe for your example of the match, then sure |
| 07:23.58 | Shirik | but even sports shots don't need THAT much |
| 07:24.03 | Shirik | people only move so fast |
| 07:24.24 | Thunder_Child | but this lets you get the best shot |
| 07:24.27 | Fisker- | Shirik sports should only be shown in slowmo |
| 07:24.32 | Fisker- | at atleast 10k fps |
| 07:24.37 | Shirik | You should only be shown in slowmo |
| 07:24.42 | Torhal | you wouldn't live in a hyperbaric chamber, Fisker- |
| 07:24.51 | Fisker- | fff.. |
| 07:24.56 | Fisker- | ...ffff.... |
| 07:24.57 | Shirik | Torhal |
| 07:24.57 | Thunder_Child | lets say something awesome happens Shirik, you hit the shutter button, you are usually a bit to late, this way you are not |
| 07:25.01 | Fisker- | ...uuu... |
| 07:25.02 | Shirik | stop making me feel bad |
| 07:25.08 | Torhal | Shirik: ? |
| 07:25.09 | Shirik | wait it goes backwards, Thunder_Child? |
| 07:25.26 | Shirik | Torhal: I know of these things, and it makes me think I have spent too much time in school |
| 07:25.37 | Torhal | Heh |
| 07:25.42 | Fisker- | time travelling cameras ftw |
| 07:25.47 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, yes it captures shots constantly when the shutter is depressed halfway |
| 07:25.51 | Shirik | Though |
| 07:25.54 | Thunder_Child | or something like that |
| 07:26.03 | Shirik | I guess I know what a hyperbaric chamber is because I'm PADI certified |
| 07:26.12 | Shirik | that's probably where I picked it up |
| 07:26.26 | Shirik | I see Thunder_Child |
| 07:26.28 | Shirik | that's interesting |
| 07:26.59 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, http://www.exilim.com/intl/ex_f1/features1.html |
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| 07:27.36 | Shirik | yeah that's neat |
| 07:27.41 | Shirik | ok I see use for that |
| 07:27.47 | Shirik | not in my particular application, but neat |
| 07:28.00 | Thunder_Child | not even for the sports shots? |
| 07:28.08 | Jerub | I lost my wallet the week after I got my PADI card :( |
| 07:28.16 | Shirik | the sports shots are rarely something I care that much about |
| 07:28.28 | Shirik | they're usually for my mom of my brother, etc |
| 07:28.33 | Shirik | sure they could be better, but not something to pay money on :) |
| 07:28.58 | Shirik | besides, I have a high speed CF card |
| 07:29.02 | Shirik | why not just take shots continuously :) |
| 07:29.14 | Shirik | I guess it's a little faster |
| 07:29.17 | Shirik | because it's not writing to the card |
| 07:29.19 | Thunder_Child | because even then it isnt at 60 fps |
| 07:29.22 | Shirik | s/a little/lot/ |
| 07:29.33 | Thunder_Child | it's what....10? 15? |
| 07:29.47 | Shirik | well my shutter can only go at about 5 fps |
| 07:29.53 | Shirik | and since it's a true frame that's the limit |
| 07:30.00 | Shirik | the CF buffer is never full though |
| 07:30.06 | Shirik | at least I haven't hit it |
| 07:30.24 | Fisker- | takes pictures of Shirik |
| 07:32.03 | Shirik | Nov 13 00:22:34 localhost vsftpd: pam_unix(ftp:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=ftp ruser=root rhost=64.237.40.150 user=root |
| 07:32.04 | Shirik | o.o |
| 07:32.47 | Thunder_Child | pfft, you can cet access with root |
| 07:32.55 | Thunder_Child | cant get* |
| 07:34.55 | Shirik | yeah that won't get you very far |
| 07:34.58 | Shirik | the ftp user is very restricted anyway |
| 07:35.26 | Thunder_Child | no, i mean you can only get access with rootbeer, not root |
| 07:35.32 | Shirik | .. |
| 07:35.43 | Shirik | would be interesting to see how many root passwords are "beer" :D |
| 07:36.14 | Thunder_Child | hmm...brute force attack in the interests of testing that theory? |
| 07:36.29 | Shirik | is it brute forcing if I only hit each server once? |
| 07:36.36 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 07:37.36 | Thunder_Child | i mean dictionary attack is the specific but it's under the heading of brute force iirc |
| 07:37.56 | Jerub | mmmbeer |
| 07:37.58 | Jerub | drinks more beer |
| 07:38.24 | Cairenn | cookie |
| 07:38.25 | Shirik | but |
| 07:38.28 | Cairenn | pouts |
| 07:38.36 | Shirik | dictionary attack is specific to one server |
| 07:38.42 | Shirik | Cairenn: Disabled here due to potential for abuse |
| 07:38.50 | Dolby | mmm cookie |
| 07:38.52 | Cairenn | I know, was just teasing you :) |
| 07:38.58 | Cairenn | giggles at Dolby |
| 07:39.28 | tekkub | http://www.wowbash.com/image-10412.html |
| 07:39.29 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, no, it's the style. it's trying un/pw combos, just because you only try one doesnt change how you are doing it |
| 07:39.37 | tekkub | seriously, if I was bored, I would do that shit to someone |
| 07:40.28 | Quadrescence | http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/1074/watt.jpg |
| 07:41.07 | Shirik | ok I've had enough of this today |
| 07:41.15 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-o+b Quadrescence *!*n=quad@unaffiliated/quadrescence] by Shirik |
| 07:41.15 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Quadrescence!n=mpdelbuo@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik] by Shirik (Obviously unnecessary) |
| 07:41.40 | Thunder_Child | forgot a nsfw comment |
| 07:41.48 | Shirik | yeah and nsfw |
| 07:42.33 | tekkub | and you people fear MY links |
| 07:42.46 | tekkub | I'd fucking fear that thing even if I was straight |
| 07:43.00 | Torhal | tekkub: Not hairy enough? |
| 07:43.02 | Torhal | :D |
| 07:43.18 | tekkub | le sigh |
| 07:43.26 | Torhal | That 12-year-old gold beggar was funny shit, though. |
| 07:43.29 | Thunder_Child | it doesnt have payas |
| 07:45.37 | Thunder_Child | peyes* |
| 07:45.46 | Thunder_Child | damn thing is hard to spell |
| 07:46.13 | Shirik | 1133 error(s), 123 warning(s) |
| 07:46.13 | Shirik | ========== Build: 0 succeeded, 1 failed, 1 up-to-date, 0 skipped ========== |
| 07:46.18 | Shirik | that might be a new record |
| 07:47.29 | Shirik | Also, epic error message length |
| 07:47.31 | Shirik | 1>Text.obj : warning LNK4217: locally defined symbol ?c_str@?$basic_string@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@V?$allocator@D@2@@std@@QBEPBDXZ (public: char const * __thiscall std::basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> >::c_str(void)const ) imported in function "public: __thiscall std::_Iterator_with_base<struct std::bidirectional_iterator_tag,struct std::pair<class std::basic_string<char,s |
| 07:47.37 | Shirik | rofl that was longer than I expected |
| 07:47.41 | Shirik | it doesn't even fit on IRC |
| 07:47.41 | Fisker- | FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUU- |
| 07:47.51 | Cairenn | yeah, long enough it got cut off, even |
| 07:48.14 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/128517 |
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| 07:49.41 | Thunder_Child | stop spaming Shirik! |
| 07:49.46 | Shirik | seriously I don't know wtf I did |
| 07:50.34 | Thunder_Child | ctrl+v |
| 07:50.38 | Thunder_Child | thats whta you did |
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| 07:50.42 | Thunder_Child | what* |
| 07:50.52 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, blame Shirik |
| 07:50.57 | Shirik | no |
| 07:51.05 | Shirik | I don't know what I did to produce that |
| 07:51.12 | Thunder_Child | soemone else came to your computer and spammed? |
| 07:51.12 | Fisker- | what if he shift+ins'd |
| 07:51.13 | Fisker- | ? |
| 07:51.29 | Thunder_Child | he is too lazy for that Fisker- |
| 07:51.51 | Fisker- | rightclick->paste? |
| 07:52.03 | Wobin | blames Shirik |
| 07:52.08 | Thunder_Child | thank you Wobin |
| 07:52.11 | Shirik | Wobin it was Fisker's fault |
| 07:52.14 | Shirik | he made me |
| 07:52.25 | Thunder_Child | Fisker...mmmm...he is a hotkey'er |
| 07:52.30 | Shirik | with his 10.4e+32 liters of milk |
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| 07:53.53 | Shirik | Esamynn|Away |
| 07:53.55 | Shirik | blame Fisker |
| 07:54.10 | Fisker- | don't do it |
| 07:56.04 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn|Away, no, it's rightly Shirik's fault |
| 07:56.08 | Shirik | no it is not |
| 07:56.32 | Thunder_Child | own up damit! |
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| 07:57.22 | Industrial | wow, im at school before 9:00 |
| 07:57.25 | Industrial | thats a new record |
| 07:57.37 | Thunder_Child | pm? |
| 07:57.43 | Industrial | pm? |
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| 07:58.00 | Shirik | billie jean is not my lover |
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| 07:59.17 | Fisker- | i'm awesome |
| 07:59.29 | Shirik | billie jean is Fisker-'s lover |
| 07:59.37 | Shirik | and the kid is definitely his son |
| 07:59.53 | Fisker- | i am going to disagree on that |
| 08:00.27 | Fisker- | Repo shows his support by leaving |
| 08:00.38 | Shirik | he is running from you |
| 08:00.57 | Thunder_Child | i think it is tired of both of you |
| 08:01.46 | Shirik | no |
| 08:01.48 | Shirik | nobody is tired of me |
| 08:02.02 | Shirik | I am entertaining and all-knowing and knowledgable |
| 08:02.02 | Shirik | and everyone loves me |
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| 08:02.45 | Shirik | 1>Project : error PRJ0019: A tool returned an error code from "Modularizing spirit headers to project-local dir from monolithic boost dir" |
| 08:02.48 | Shirik | What the fuck.... |
| 08:02.58 | Torhal | Shirik: So did you know that Fisker- hates you? |
| 08:02.58 | Shirik | Could they use any more big words |
| 08:03.26 | Thunder_Child | Torhal, that statment is redundant |
| 08:04.17 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: Thoroughly. |
| 08:04.21 | Fisker- | i wouldn't hate a Shirik |
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| 08:05.40 | Fisker- | i wouldn't hate zenzio |
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| 08:07.59 | Cairenn | <3's Shirik |
| 08:08.23 | Fisker- | >4's Cairenn |
| 08:08.29 | Cairenn | heh |
| 08:08.30 | Thunder_Child | i am le sad that pvp neck back and rings suck for pallies |
| 08:08.35 | Shirik | <3 |
| 08:08.41 | Fisker- | >4 |
| 08:09.31 | Thunder_Child | "@Shirik: I am entertaining and all-knowing and knowledgable" this statment defeats itself |
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| 08:11.01 | Shirik | how? |
| 08:11.31 | Shirik | see, I do not know how, so it must not be true |
| 08:11.36 | Torhal | all-knowing AND knowledgable |
| 08:11.48 | Torhal | short-circuits. |
| 08:11.48 | Thunder_Child | the last 2 are the same thereby defeating it |
| 08:11.50 | Shirik | because the fact that I am all-knowing must imply that I know anything you say |
| 08:12.03 | Shirik | not the same |
| 08:12.08 | Thunder_Child | yup |
| 08:12.09 | Shirik | just an implication |
| 08:12.21 | Shirik | all-knowing implies knowledgable |
| 08:12.21 | Thunder_Child | ~dict knowledgable |
| 08:12.44 | Thunder_Child | guess you spelled that wrong Shirik |
| 08:12.46 | Shirik | you are confusing equality with implication |
| 08:12.59 | Shirik | It was a test |
| 08:13.01 | Shirik | A TEST YOU FAILED |
| 08:13.09 | Shirik | ~dict knowledgeable |
| 08:13.17 | Fisker- | ooh |
| 08:13.19 | Thunder_Child | hah, first one |
| 08:13.20 | Fisker- | vb4 beta out |
| 08:13.26 | Shirik | I don't believe that |
| 08:13.27 | Thunder_Child | EAT IT SHIRIK |
| 08:13.33 | Shirik | ~dict 2 knowledgeable |
| 08:13.43 | Shirik | Having extensive information or understanding |
| 08:13.49 | Shirik | I don't call that "all-knowing" |
| 08:13.49 | Thunder_Child | is all knowing |
| 08:13.53 | Shirik | where did that first one come fromo |
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| 08:19.07 | foxlit | I'm sure you could manufacture a paradox if you squinted at the phrase all-knowing long enough |
| 08:20.38 | Fisker- | but could you drive a motorboat? |
| 08:21.25 | Fisker- | give me flash 10.1 Shirik |
| 08:21.28 | Fisker- | or give me death |
| 08:21.33 | Shirik | I choose death |
| 08:22.03 | Fisker- | dies Shirik |
| 08:22.53 | Shirik | negative |
| 08:23.00 | Shirik | you die yourself |
| 08:23.43 | Thunder_Child | 10.1 flashes Fisker- |
| 08:23.58 | Fisker- | well played |
| 08:24.17 | Shirik | agree with statement of well playage |
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| 08:25.33 | Shirik | Thunder_Child wins IRCMVP for 12 Nov |
| 08:25.39 | Fisker- | disagreement of agreement of principal reason never to agree with Shirik |
| 08:26.34 | Shirik | retort against disagreement of agreement of principal reason never to agree with Shirik |
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| 08:26.57 | Fisker- | incoherent rage |
| 08:27.14 | Shirik | throws a StackOverflowError at Fisker |
| 08:27.43 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, it's already friday the 13th |
| 08:27.53 | Fisker- | depends on where you live |
| 08:27.58 | Shirik | that explains a lot |
| 08:28.00 | Fisker- | for example if you live on pluto it's not |
| 08:28.00 | Thunder_Child | it is for Shirik |
| 08:28.04 | Fisker- | and you're dead |
| 08:28.09 | Thunder_Child | so i am IRCMVP for friday the 13th |
| 08:28.11 | Shirik | but the reason I said the 12th is because you can't win at the beginning of the day |
| 08:28.12 | Thunder_Child | i like it |
| 08:28.17 | Thunder_Child | lies! |
| 08:28.21 | Shirik | you need to win it over the course of the day |
| 08:28.31 | Shirik | just like you go into sports hall of fame when you retire |
| 08:28.37 | Shirik | or MVP of games is at the end of the game |
| 08:28.40 | Shirik | not the beginning |
| 08:28.49 | Shirik | it's not like "TOUCHDOWN! HE GETS MVP YUP!" |
| 08:29.02 | Shirik | and then some other guy gets 20 touchdowns |
| 08:29.08 | Shirik | and then he goes "wtfhax" |
| 08:29.26 | Fisker- | nah Shirik |
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| 08:29.36 | Fisker- | it has to be at the kickoff |
| 08:29.43 | Fisker- | dunno how your shitty football works |
| 08:29.53 | Fisker- | But in real football we throw a coin to decide who starts |
| 08:29.54 | Thunder_Child | lol, there is a guild on my server called <Aionios> |
| 08:30.00 | Fisker- | and MVP is obviously those who won the cointoss |
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| 08:32.04 | Fisker- | so you agree Shirik |
| 08:34.38 | Thunder_Child | "Never gonna pug you up//Always gonna let you down//Always gonna hearth to town on first pull" "Priests' gonna let you die//Tanks' gonna say goodby//Should've gone with guild - you're awful" |
| 08:34.52 | Thunder_Child | *snicker* |
| 08:35.18 | Shirik | o.o |
| 08:37.42 | Shirik | Fisker- |
| 08:37.49 | Shirik | you would never name yourself -Fisker |
| 08:41.01 | Thunder_Child | must post this for peppy tomorrow http://www.wowbash.com//image-10065.html |
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| 08:42.41 | Torhal | Niiiiiiice |
| 08:44.02 | Fisker- | i would if i could Shirik |
| 08:45.08 | Shirik | no you would not |
| 08:45.21 | Shirik | ok night |
| 08:46.19 | Fisker- | http://www.wowbash.com//image-9010.html |
| 08:46.19 | Fisker- | :o |
| 08:46.59 | Industrial | haha |
| 08:50.32 | Torhal | http://www.wowbash.com//images/1235893413.jpg |
| 08:51.06 | Thunder_Child | "im an ally pally, short and stout, here is my handle here is my mount, when the horde come charging i scream and shout, throw up a bubble and HEARTHSTONE OUT" |
| 08:51.55 | Fisker- | No way he can have kept that for long Torhal |
| 08:56.06 | Torhal | Fisker-: That's what I was thinking :) |
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| 08:58.06 | Torhal | Fisker-: http://www.wowbash.com//image-8286.html |
| 08:58.22 | Fisker- | :3 |
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| 09:08.55 | Fisker- | krka: |
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| 09:26.17 | Torhal | Fisker-: This is all you http://www.wowbash.com//images/1249781095.jpg |
| 09:52.10 | Fisker- | You have my sword nicoli_s |
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| 09:52.58 | Fisker- | And my axe Cide |
| 09:53.05 | Cide | hi |
| 09:57.36 | Fisker- | and Shirik's dildo Torhal |
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| 10:19.20 | Fisker- | http://gizmodo.com/5403584/mpaa-shuts-down-entire-towns-wi+fi-over-single-illegal-download |
| 10:19.45 | bleeter | http://i.imgur.com/e2av2.jpg |
| 10:20.15 | Fisker- | moo |
| 10:21.18 | Fisker- | you wouldn't alt+f4 |
| 10:52.03 | Industrial | Fisker: lol americans :D |
| 10:56.11 | Industrial | What would I thank a Veteran for? |
| 10:56.15 | Industrial | @topic |
| 10:58.01 | zenzio | I'm guessing it was Veteran's Day in the US |
| 10:58.19 | zenzio | because, you know, Americans only think of the elders once a year |
| 10:59.15 | Industrial | still, fighting abroad isn't really defending your country now is it :p It's more like invading other countries :S |
| 10:59.25 | Industrial | and soldiers decide for themselves to become soldiers and invade other countires |
| 10:59.29 | Industrial | countries* |
| 10:59.34 | Industrial | I have no idea what to thank them for. |
| 11:00.20 | olafski | what does it being their own decision have to do with thanking them? |
| 11:00.29 | olafski | if someone would jump in front of a bus to save me you can be sure I'd thank them for it:P |
| 11:01.21 | Industrial | how is a nation saved by sending soldiers to the other side of the world? |
| 11:01.36 | olafski | who claimed it is? :s |
| 11:01.44 | Industrial | well then, what to thank them for |
| 11:01.55 | olafski | for risking their lives to try to save other people? |
| 11:02.09 | olafski | I know I'm thankful some guys from UK and US saved my country from hitler 50 years ago |
| 11:02.13 | olafski | 60.. whatever :P |
| 11:02.40 | olafski | that said, I think there should be an expiration date on remembering these things so vigorously |
| 11:03.58 | zenzio | you're missing a potential point |
| 11:04.10 | olafski | do tell :) |
| 11:04.14 | Industrial | I was born in 87, if my history books didnt contain information about WW2 then I wouldn't know. I don't have any personal relation/gratitude :\ |
| 11:04.26 | amro | ooh that's cold |
| 11:04.29 | olafski | well there's the problem industrial |
| 11:04.31 | Industrial | Maybe I'm taking a too extreme view again :p |
| 11:04.33 | amro | and completely misses the point Industrial |
| 11:04.37 | olafski | you _should_ know about this stuff else it might get repeated |
| 11:04.44 | zenzio | I meant Industrial; you may not feel you have anything to thank them for, but even if that's the case then thanking them would make them feel appreciated |
| 11:04.51 | amro | you could have been born in a completely different world |
| 11:04.51 | olafski | I'm born in 83 so I didn't actually live through WW2 either |
| 11:05.03 | olafski | but indeed I could have been born speaking german and having to hate black people |
| 11:05.05 | amro | or maybe you wouldn't have been born at all |
| 11:05.09 | amro | there's a lot to thank for |
| 11:05.54 | olafski | I'm not so sure I'd easily believe there's a lot to thank for in "modern" wars |
| 11:06.17 | olafski | I mean it's pretty obvious that people wanted to be saved from hitler (to me), but say iraq.. I don't know if the entire population wanted to be saved there |
| 11:06.49 | amro | Veterans' Day isn't just for the most recent wars |
| 11:07.29 | Thrae | What the hell? I look over and someone's trying to compare WWII with standard wars? |
| 11:07.43 | olafski | I know that amro :) |
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| 11:08.13 | Industrial | Thrae: wasnt me :p |
| 11:08.27 | olafski | I look over and someone's trying to say there is such a thing as a "standard war" ;) |
| 11:08.36 | Industrial | anyway yeah, I totally disagree with invading iraq and afghanistan (invading!) |
| 11:08.42 | robotusch | <- Had one grandfather in the Danish resistance and and a step-grandfather in a KZ camp *shrug* |
| 11:08.54 | olafski | what's KZ again? :$ |
| 11:09.03 | robotusch | Concentration camp |
| 11:09.06 | amro | olafski: most wars don't involve 80% of the world. hence they're "standard" |
| 11:09.06 | olafski | oh |
| 11:09.21 | olafski | that sounds like a pretty weird definition of standard to me |
| 11:09.27 | amro | erm |
| 11:09.31 | amro | standard is what's most common |
| 11:09.36 | Industrial | howmany wars has the US waged in its existence |
| 11:09.37 | olafski | you could also say "most wars have tanks in them so a war with tanks in it is standard" |
| 11:09.45 | Industrial | what percentage of its lifetime was spent at war? |
| 11:09.50 | Thrae | olafski: Yes, there are different types of wars and WWII and the US's involvement in the middle east is not comparable. |
| 11:09.50 | olafski | industrial: I didn't want to go there so I went with the tanks ;) |
| 11:09.52 | Industrial | I'd like to know that :p |
| 11:09.58 | amro | olafski: that's battles |
| 11:10.07 | olafski | so say you, amro :< |
| 11:10.31 | olafski | I'm just saying if you're going by a common denominator then it might as well be tanks |
| 11:10.36 | amro | er, yes, so I say. tanks are used in battles. battles are a part of wars |
| 11:10.43 | olafski | and as such, tanks are used in wars |
| 11:10.55 | amro | indeed, but they don't define wars |
| 11:10.58 | amro | they define battles |
| 11:11.11 | Industrial | and what percentage of that was spent playing lady justice in countries where they don't belong? :P |
| 11:11.14 | amro | it doesn't matter if I invade you with tanks or chariots in the big picture. point is, you got invaded |
| 11:11.22 | olafski | then why does the number of countries in a war define a war? |
| 11:11.29 | olafski | I'm just saying someone has to make this stuff up somewhere |
| 11:11.50 | olafski | amro: it doesn't matter if one country or 99% of the countries invade me either, point is, I got invaded |
| 11:13.43 | olafski | I'll just leave it there.. be assured I am thankful that a lot of people wanted to save my country and did so successfully |
| 11:13.49 | Wobin | hehe |
| 11:13.51 | Wobin | "Another classic sequence sees the newly-pacifistic Rimmer declaring the formation of the Committee for the Liberation and Integration of Terrifying Organisms and their Rehabilitation Into Society to deal with the creature, only to run into acronym problems." |
| 11:13.51 | olafski | even though I was born 40 years later |
| 11:14.18 | Wobin | totally coasts alongside the current topic |
| 11:16.33 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:17.24 | olafski | on a related topic; if I'm printing a message to a chat window, I assume there is a maximum length. This message will consist of a list of item links, is the max length bounded by the link text or the actual text to generate the link? |
| 11:17.37 | Fisker | Who wants a google wave invite? |
| 11:18.04 | robotusch | Not me! |
| 11:18.05 | theorbtwo | olafski: Try it and see? |
| 11:18.26 | mitch0 | I can trade 3 twitter invites and top it off with a MySpace login for your wave thing |
| 11:18.34 | olafski | probably a good idea theorbtwo ;) |
| 11:18.44 | olafski | and haha not me either |
| 11:18.48 | olafski | still don't see the point of wave :P |
| 11:18.51 | Fisker | r u srs? |
| 11:19.17 | olafski | yes |
| 11:19.23 | Wobin | agrees with olafski |
| 11:19.25 | Fisker | no mitch0 |
| 11:19.29 | Fisker | do you want one? :P |
| 11:19.30 | olafski | I have IRC and email, that's more than enough communication imo |
| 11:19.45 | olafski | well, and msn/google talk which I sometimes use |
| 11:20.10 | Fisker | even alyssa milano uses wave |
| 11:20.24 | Fisker | wait, that just countered my argument |
| 11:20.39 | olafski | oh yeah I care about her :P |
| 11:20.43 | olafski | does Alizée use it? |
| 11:20.54 | Fisker | idk |
| 11:21.01 | olafski | particularly Alizée about 8 years ago :) |
| 11:21.14 | theorbtwo | Eh, attractive women using it has long been a major way of spreading chat protocols. |
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| 11:21.25 | olafski | yeah I guess that made twitter popular too |
| 11:21.29 | mitch0 | fisker: sorry, no. I'm an old fart when it comes to these new shiny things ;) |
| 11:21.29 | olafski | I don't use that either, nor facebook |
| 11:21.37 | theorbtwo | ...but I think if Wave becomes seen primarally as a chat protocol, then it's failed. |
| 11:21.53 | mitch0 | myspace/blog/twitter/web2.0 completely *whooshed* by me |
| 11:22.03 | olafski | well I just don't see what else it is theorbtwo.. it sounds to me like a forum :P |
| 11:23.00 | mitch0 | actually, I started a blog to try to disprove my feeling that it's just crap. didn't work :P |
| 11:23.02 | theorbtwo | olafski: It sounds to me like a data transfer/persistance protocol. |
| 11:23.14 | theorbtwo | I haven't looked at it much, though. |
| 11:23.22 | olafski | yes to me that sounds like what a forum can do too tbh :< |
| 11:23.28 | olafski | I started a blog too mitch0 :D |
| 11:23.33 | olafski | made about 4 posts on it a year ago |
| 11:23.38 | mitch0 | hehe |
| 11:23.42 | mitch0 | I only managed 2 |
| 11:23.50 | olafski | and I quite liked it, but I don't want to write about my own life, why would anyone want to read that? |
| 11:23.53 | mitch0 | both pretty uninteresting for the majority out there :) |
| 11:23.57 | olafski | I wrote about some programming tips and such |
| 11:24.04 | mitch0 | me too |
| 11:24.22 | mitch0 | but obviously no sane programmer reads stupid random blog posts :P |
| 11:24.28 | olafski | the few posts were relatively popular, but if I'm going to write "hey guys I just bought groceries, tonight's dinner is going to be sweeeet" then I might as well just phone the people who care about that |
| 11:24.43 | olafski | not random, but if your post has a specific tip be sure people will read it |
| 11:24.58 | olafski | I very often stumble upon blog posts when I google specific problems |
| 11:25.26 | mitch0 | I guess you never needed to pretty-format xml using only sed then :) |
| 11:25.38 | olafski | I don't believe I did |
| 11:25.39 | Fisker | so any nonjerks who want a google wave invite? :( |
| 11:25.43 | olafski | my blog was about ruby on rails ;) |
| 11:25.58 | mitch0 | hehe, I wouldn't see that one then |
| 11:26.04 | olafski | worked with that on my internship so I wrote a few posts about it, but I almost instantly dropped it when the internship was over |
| 11:26.05 | mitch0 | I sort of hate ruby with passion |
| 11:26.20 | theorbtwo | Why would you want to prettyprint xml using only sed? |
| 11:26.31 | mitch0 | parsing log-files on unix |
| 11:26.33 | olafski | oh I liked it :) was so refreshing to use that instead of php which I had been using for like 8 years |
| 11:26.44 | mitch0 | s/parsing/examining/ |
| 11:26.56 | theorbtwo | purl: That is really annoying. |
| 11:26.56 | purl | theorbtwo: I think you lost me on that one |
| 11:27.14 | mitch0 | purl: also, I bet your regex implementation still is teh sux |
| 11:27.15 | purl | mitch0: what are you talking about? |
| 11:27.56 | theorbtwo | mitch0: Er, that doesn't mean you have to use only sed, by any means. |
| 11:28.06 | mitch0 | well, it usually does |
| 11:28.18 | mitch0 | we don't even have wget and stuff like that on most production machines |
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| 11:28.45 | mitch0 | theorbtwo: but in any case, I mostly did it just for the hack of it and 'cos it looked so fugly :) |
| 11:29.02 | theorbtwo | Ah. |
| 11:29.03 | mitch0 | http://mitchnull.blogspot.com/2008/09/xml-indenting-with-sed1.html |
| 11:30.12 | olafski | what a very minimalist layout ;) |
| 11:30.33 | mitch0 | told you I don't get all this hype :) |
| 11:30.55 | olafski | :) |
| 11:30.58 | olafski | I love ajax! |
| 11:31.05 | mitch0 | also, I prefer my stuff to be accessible on a vt100 with lynx, too :P |
| 11:31.13 | olafski | hehe my blog gets on average about 5 hits per day nowadays :P |
| 11:31.47 | Industrial | mitch0: woa :O=O |
| 11:32.23 | mitch0 | ? |
| 11:33.13 | Industrial | mitch0: what a script :p |
| 11:33.19 | mitch0 | :) |
| 11:33.28 | mitch0 | "line noise at its best" :) |
| 11:33.49 | olafski | mitch0: http://skionrails.wordpress.com/tutorials/how-to-write-a-blog-in-15-minutes/ |
| 11:33.49 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEP3eTI0eMw&feature=related |
| 11:33.54 | Wobin | Bill Bailey is awesome |
| 11:33.55 | olafski | check out my awesome default layout ,) |
| 11:34.25 | mitch0 | olafski: at least it's readable :) |
| 11:34.56 | mitch0 | I really hate some of the fancy blog layouts where texts flows everywhere and images follow your mouse and all that crap |
| 11:35.14 | mitch0 | although linking to digg is a negative point :P |
| 11:35.15 | olafski | hehe |
| 11:35.25 | olafski | why :(( |
| 11:35.31 | mitch0 | digg is crap |
| 11:35.42 | olafski | I wanted to be popular ;'( |
| 11:36.03 | olafski | only did that for the tutorial, random blog posts don't have that kind of link ;) |
| 11:36.11 | mitch0 | I gave up on that after leaving childhood |
| 11:36.21 | mitch0 | actaully, no. I didn't want to be popular even then :P |
| 11:36.35 | zenzio | you succeeded |
| 11:36.38 | olafski | :P |
| 11:36.40 | mitch0 | indeed |
| 11:36.51 | olafski | well, I spent hours writing that tutorial, I figured I'd prefer if many people would read it |
| 11:37.02 | zenzio | :) |
| 11:37.08 | mitch0 | olafski: btw, TLDR :P |
| 11:37.14 | olafski | I can imagine |
| 11:37.23 | olafski | not much point reading it either if you're not interested in rails ;) |
| 11:37.32 | olafski | (and it's probably really outdated by now) |
| 11:37.52 | mitch0 | that's why I do stuff in COBOL. not a chance it'll change much :P |
| 11:38.04 | olafski | :P |
| 11:38.08 | olafski | so true |
| 11:38.22 | mitch0 | <fisker>You wouldn't do stuff in COBOL</fisker> |
| 11:39.16 | olafski | plus it allows you to shout a lot |
| 11:39.30 | mitch0 | mostly at the computer though :P |
| 11:39.42 | mitch0 | although that'd be more like weeping |
| 11:39.47 | mitch0 | anyway, lunchtime |
| 11:40.05 | zenzio | you should port your blog to Fortran like all the cool kids |
| 11:40.30 | mitch0 | fortran is actually nice |
| 11:40.37 | mitch0 | ah, sorry |
| 11:40.47 | mitch0 | brain went on sidetrack, though we're talking forth |
| 11:40.54 | mitch0 | I know jack-shit about fortran, sorry |
| 11:41.10 | mitch0 | s/though/&t/ |
| 11:42.13 | olafski | wasn't cobol written in all-caps? |
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| 11:44.01 | Fisker | all-slaps |
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| 12:10.40 | DWSR | hey guys, Glyph of Immolate or Glyph of Soul Link for Warlock destro PvP? |
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| 12:45.30 | robotusch | mitch0, COBOL?! |
| 12:46.17 | robotusch | .. my mom used to code that stuff >:| |
| 12:47.08 | zenzio | don't worry, I'm sure she's planning to recode you in C# shoon |
| 12:47.13 | robotusch | :( |
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| 12:47.40 | robotusch | IIRC they were switching languages last time I bothered to ask, I just can't remember to what tho :< |
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| 13:19.31 | foxlit | grr |
| 13:19.38 | foxlit | Why is my in-game calendar still bugged? |
| 13:19.50 | foxlit | Pilgrim's bounty "ends" tomorrow. |
| 13:22.20 | foxlit | Hey, Fisker. |
| 13:22.24 | foxlit | YOUR POSTS ARE MISLEADING ME. |
| 13:22.51 | Wobin | foxlit, odd, mine updated |
| 13:23.08 | Wobin | the armoury calender is still wrong though |
| 13:23.15 | foxlit | Indeed, guildmates report updates too |
| 13:23.35 | foxlit | I'm still getting 8-14, though. |
| 13:24.35 | zenzio | foxlit is living in the past |
| 13:24.45 | foxlit | It's "correct" in 2010, though |
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| 13:31.01 | DWSR | Anyone here a UI compilation author? |
| 13:32.07 | mitch0 | UI compilation author? isn't that an oximoron? |
| 13:32.22 | DWSR | No, why? |
| 13:33.40 | mitch0 | 'cos they do not "author" anything as such, just put things "authored" by other ppl together |
| 13:33.45 | mitch0 | at least that's my take on the matter |
| 13:33.47 | foxlit | I suspect that's because you don't write things as much as you simply put together existing addons. |
| 13:34.17 | mitch0 | I also think UI compilations are useless, if that makes any difference to you :P |
| 13:34.47 | foxlit | On the other hand, some compilations are glued together with more custom code. I suppose that makes them more than simple compilations, though. |
| 13:35.30 | DWSR | I look at it thusly: A lego artist does not make his lego. |
| 13:35.47 | DWSR | Similarly, a compilation author does not write his addons. |
| 13:36.00 | DWSR | He simply puts them together in a fashion which suits himself and releases it. |
| 13:37.08 | foxlit | At the same time, putting some lego blocks together does not make you a lego artist. |
| 13:37.15 | foxlit | So there's some form of judgement there. |
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| 13:43.19 | DWSR | foxlit: I suppose. |
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| 13:49.03 | zenzio | tickles Lopeppeppy |
| 13:49.59 | Lopeppeppy | Morning. |
| 13:54.15 | DWSR | lol |
| 13:54.23 | DWSR | So, that brings me back to my original question. |
| 13:54.29 | DWSR | Anyone here a UI compilation author? |
| 13:54.39 | DWSR | Need some ideas for art for my UI, getting a litle sick of SunnArt. |
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| 14:00.24 | Kraps | ~wave |
| 14:00.25 | purl | ACTION waves goodbye. |
| 14:00.43 | Kraps | kthnxbai |
| 14:06.51 | Fisker | l2ui foxlit |
| 14:07.27 | foxlit | no. The Fisker is responsible for all liabilities. |
| 14:08.35 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/lolcats_fans.jpg |
| 14:10.24 | Kraps | mikma: what does immd mean? |
| 14:11.25 | DWSR | It Made My Day |
| 14:12.41 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/happy_snow_tiger.jpg |
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| 14:29.07 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 14:29.19 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik-dear. |
| 14:29.50 | Shirik | mikma: Snow tiger = next Mac OS ? |
| 14:30.27 | mikma | shirik: hmm, that might actually be |
| 14:30.30 | zenzio | no, fool |
| 14:30.36 | zenzio | Mac OS X 10.7 Lolcat |
| 14:30.46 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:30.57 | Shirik | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large snow tiger |
| 14:31.03 | zenzio | I would totally buy a m |
| 14:31.11 | zenzio | *Mac if they did that |
| 14:31.25 | zenzio | hates typing on laptop keyboards |
| 14:31.42 | Lopeppeppy | I hate touchpads. |
| 14:32.06 | Lopeppeppy | I need a new mouse, desperately. Mine is old and decrepit and doesn't click well anymore. I think Moose kills it at night when I'm not looking. |
| 14:34.42 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:34.56 | zenzio | be nice |
| 14:35.13 | Lopeppeppy | pounces on Fisker and licks his whole-whole-whole face! |
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| 14:40.22 | Kraps | dont you mean FASE |
| 14:40.39 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy o.o |
| 14:42.22 | Lopeppeppy | What can I say, Shirik, I'm in a bad mood. |
| 14:42.49 | Shirik | a bit strange for a bad mood |
| 14:42.55 | Shirik | pouncing on people and licking them |
| 14:43.16 | Lopeppeppy | The nastier I want to be, usually the more outrageously friendly I am. |
| 14:44.31 | Ancu | Morning all. You might want to put on face mask |
| 14:45.16 | Ancu | what? no response? |
| 14:46.42 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: So when you ask me where I want it, you're going to slit my throat? |
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| 14:47.03 | DWSR | Kinkeh. |
| 14:47.57 | Lopeppeppy | Have I ever offered? *scoff* |
| 14:48.20 | Ancu | looks like hes offended |
| 14:50.41 | Lopeppeppy | I am ascairt. |
| 14:50.42 | Lopeppeppy | Not. |
| 14:52.52 | Kraps | The Social and Linguistic Lives of Lolcats, Room 701, Silver Center |
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| 14:54.56 | Kraps | scholarly articles on lolcats ftw |
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| 14:59.47 | Kraps | The Ideal Elf: Identity Exploration in World of Warcraft |
| 15:01.26 | Kraps | wow, the abstract of that article facerolled my brain |
| 15:02.34 | Kraps | why do these articles cost money to read? |
| 15:07.16 | Kraps | "The use of each ability requires precise timing based on monitoring several variables that determine when to act." |
| 15:07.25 | Kraps | haha i love this |
| 15:09.20 | Gnarfoz | sounds like someone describing pvp (or pve, too) |
| 15:09.46 | Kraps | pve |
| 15:09.53 | cogwheel | hapie frydei teh 13ht |
| 15:10.37 | foxlit | wonders what this menuList stuff is in dropdown menus. |
| 15:11.10 | foxlit | Ah, EasyMenu. |
| 15:14.29 | Kraps | "Acquaa reported that she disliked rogues since they so often attack classes with weak armor. Her desire to know how to fight them was motivated by her emotional response to rogues’ tactics." |
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| 15:47.30 | Lopeppeppy | has the cranky! |
| 15:47.43 | zenzelezz | destroys it |
| 15:47.53 | Lopeppeppy | I wish it were that easy, darlin'. |
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| 15:48.00 | zenzelezz | I tried :( |
| 15:48.08 | Lopeppeppy | I know, thank you very much. |
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| 15:49.13 | Kraps | so on the ptr you can get a port for 1000g |
| 15:49.21 | Kraps | i dont even |
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| 15:51.30 | Seerah | Lopeppeppy: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/11/12/funny-pictures-only-quik-sand/ http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/11/12/funny-pictures-listening-to-meh/ http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/11/10/funny-pictures-ecstasy/ |
| 15:51.51 | Lopeppeppy | I liked the motherboard one. :) |
| 15:52.02 | Seerah | "are you listening?" |
| 15:52.12 | Lopeppeppy | I was very like that with my sheeple yesterday, but I was ending sentences with "jackass" too. |
| 15:52.24 | Seerah | I thought you might relate to that one... ;) |
| 15:52.30 | Seerah | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 15:52.45 | Lopeppeppy | This is not my millenium. |
| 15:52.53 | Lopeppeppy | Was gonna get an oil change after work, already changed my mind! |
| 15:53.11 | Seerah | maybe you'll change it back during lunch :p |
| 15:53.58 | zenzelezz | I didn't realise peppy needed oil |
| 15:54.10 | Lopeppeppy | I do, all gnomes need regular oil changes. |
| 15:54.27 | zenzelezz | I thought only your creations were mechanical |
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| 15:55.38 | Seerah | didn't you ever wonder why there were so many robot gnome mobs? |
| 15:56.32 | zenzelezz | I just assumed gnomes were like chihuahuas; so small they get all paranoid and build huge defensive forces |
| 15:57.12 | alestane | doesn't stand too close to zenzelezz after that remark. |
| 15:57.24 | Seerah | chihuahuas build defensive forces? |
| 15:57.36 | Lopeppeppy | All the time. |
| 15:58.11 | zenzelezz | Seerah: they mostly build mostly rogues, that's why you probably haven't seen them |
| 15:58.20 | Seerah | hehe |
| 15:59.05 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 15:59.16 | Gnarfoz | documentation for SecureActionButtonTemplate is in the framexml somewhere, right? |
| 15:59.44 | alestane | There is fairly thorough documentation in SecureTemplates.lua. |
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| 16:01.09 | jnwhiteh | SoB |
| 16:01.13 | jnwhiteh | the Steelseries MMO gaming mouse |
| 16:01.16 | jnwhiteh | no driver on Mac OS X |
| 16:01.22 | jnwhiteh | and WoW requires the driver in order to make it work |
| 16:01.23 | jnwhiteh | wtfzors. |
| 16:01.54 | Seerah | you didn't already spend your money on it, did you? :( |
| 16:01.58 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 16:02.00 | jnwhiteh | i had them send me a unit |
| 16:02.03 | jnwhiteh | so i could get it working with clique |
| 16:02.10 | Seerah | oooohhhh |
| 16:02.11 | jnwhiteh | assuming that WoW did something |
| 16:02.13 | jnwhiteh | btu nope |
| 16:02.19 | mitch0 | have them send you a PC, too :P |
| 16:02.21 | jnwhiteh | it can't detect it, i'm sure withot the software |
| 16:02.21 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 16:05.06 | jnwhiteh | so to test this, i'd need windows 7, and would have to install wow on that partition |
| 16:05.11 | jnwhiteh | grrr |
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| 16:05.56 | Lunessa | Station. |
| 16:07.43 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
| 16:07.52 | Kraps | hey guys wheres the druid glyph seller? i dont see one in the shop |
| 16:08.18 | Lunessa | huggles Lopeppeppy, Seerah and Cairenn|afk - the rest of you are on your own for huggles. |
| 16:08.27 | Seerah | yay hug! |
| 16:09.24 | Lopeppeppy | Yay hugs! |
| 16:10.23 | Lunessa | Made chai-spiced green tea in the office yesterday, and it still smells like christmas in here. |
| 16:11.24 | Seerah | good thing?.... |
| 16:11.28 | Shirik | tackles Lunessa |
| 16:11.38 | Lunessa | It's a good thing. ' |
| 16:11.39 | Lopeppeppy | Ho ho ho. |
| 16:11.43 | Lunessa | Morning Shirik. |
| 16:12.18 | Seerah | then :) |
| 16:12.20 | Gnarfoz | jnwhiteh: awesome of them to send one, but I was already fearing that they'd lock down other vendor's multi-button mice when I saw the PTR diffs =\ |
| 16:12.22 | Shirik | Why the hell do people CC mailing lists |
| 16:12.28 | Shirik | just send it to the mailing list |
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| 16:12.37 | Shirik | and fix your damn mail client to actually listen to reply-to headers |
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| 16:13.00 | cog|away | CHH chh chh chh... Ahh ahh ahh ahh. |
| 16:13.01 | jnwhiteh | Gnarfoz: which part of them? |
| 16:13.10 | Gnarfoz | s/to.*// |
| 16:13.47 | Gnarfoz | jnwhiteh: well, them adding a function like DetectWoWMouse() and disabling the "higher up" button#'s |
| 16:14.07 | jnwhiteh | Gnarfoz: I didn't think they disabled the higher up buttons.. |
| 16:14.38 | Gnarfoz | that's how I recall it, if you read it the opposite way, I'm not sure :D |
| 16:14.41 | jnwhiteh | Gnarfoz: any idea hwat file this happened? |
| 16:14.58 | Gnarfoz | too many diff mailings already, but I'll try digging |
| 16:15.15 | jnwhiteh | SecureButton_GetButtonSuffix still lists 32 buttons |
| 16:15.26 | jnwhiteh | and that's like the only place the UI says anything about buttons, that I'm aware of. |
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| 16:16.23 | Gnarfoz | the macro options, too |
| 16:16.31 | Gnarfoz | well... that *is* that, right -.- |
| 16:16.38 | jnwhiteh | =) |
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| 16:16.59 | nevcairiel | didnt razer have one of those multi-button-mice too? |
| 16:17.03 | jnwhiteh | yes, they do. |
| 16:17.08 | jnwhiteh | I dont know if the API detects that one |
| 16:17.14 | jnwhiteh | if I can find someone who has one, I can make progress tho |
| 16:17.28 | nevcairiel | I should've responded to that guy when he asked me to help them with their action bar addon for their mouse =P |
| 16:17.41 | jnwhiteh | yep =) |
| 16:17.47 | nevcairiel | but i saw the message like a week late |
| 16:17.50 | nevcairiel | or even longer |
| 16:17.56 | nevcairiel | stupid PMs on wowace dont send mails |
| 16:18.02 | jnwhiteh | yes they do |
| 16:18.04 | Lopeppeppy | wants an ubermouse! |
| 16:18.10 | nevcairiel | not on the main page |
| 16:18.15 | jnwhiteh | stupid users don't configure their VBulletin preferences right |
| 16:18.16 | nevcairiel | forums do, curse.com does |
| 16:18.16 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 16:18.17 | jnwhiteh | wowace. |
| 16:18.18 | nevcairiel | wowace.com doesnt |
| 16:18.18 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 16:18.20 | jnwhiteh | sorry |
| 16:18.23 | jnwhiteh | i thougt you said wowi |
| 16:18.28 | jnwhiteh | and was like 'duuuur' |
| 16:18.33 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 16:18.35 | nevcairiel | nah i get mails there |
| 16:18.58 | nevcairiel | tbh i'm not a big fan of those complicated mice anyway |
| 16:19.04 | jnwhiteh | me neither |
| 16:19.08 | jnwhiteh | but i'm trying to help my users =( |
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| 16:19.28 | nevcairiel | would they react so differently for clique? not just more buttons? |
| 16:20.36 | jnwhiteh | nope, appears not. |
| 16:20.40 | jnwhiteh | and the one person I had who could help me test |
| 16:20.42 | jnwhiteh | went awol. |
| 16:20.47 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 16:20.48 | jnwhiteh | I need someone with the mouse on a working machine |
| 16:20.55 | Seerah | I thought the extra buttons on the wow mouse worked as binds, not clicks (since you can keybind them in the keybindings interface) |
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| 16:21.10 | Gnarfoz | jnwhiteh: hmmm nevermind, maybe I was confusing this with the brief stint of the Joystick options |
| 16:21.16 | jnwhiteh | Gnarfoz: kk |
| 16:21.18 | jnwhiteh | Seerah: its unclear |
| 16:21.23 | jnwhiteh | you can configure teh buttons in the driver to do lots of things |
| 16:21.30 | jnwhiteh | I _think_ you can now set them to send higher button evenets |
| 16:21.31 | jnwhiteh | like button6 |
| 16:21.36 | jnwhiteh | but I can't confirm this, as I don't have the software. |
| 16:24.12 | jnwhiteh | ooh |
| 16:24.14 | jnwhiteh | my friend has a pc |
| 16:24.16 | Gnarfoz | is there still any UI diff site out there with up-to-date data right now? is wowprogramming.com's still u p? |
| 16:24.16 | jnwhiteh | and wow installed. |
| 16:24.18 | jnwhiteh | i can go there! |
| 16:24.26 | jnwhiteh | Gnarfoz: i can rsync the latest version of the PTR righ tnow, if you'd like |
| 16:24.27 | Seerah | yay! |
| 16:24.29 | jnwhiteh | i probably should anyway |
| 16:24.41 | Lopeppeppy | Go hit your friend up for some PC time, jnwhiteh. |
| 16:24.45 | Gnarfoz | jnwhiteh: latest not necessary, just investigating if my memory sucks or the change has been backed out since then :D |
| 16:24.48 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: wowcompares is about 2 builds slow, if thats enough for you |
| 16:25.19 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: yeah |
| 16:25.29 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
| 16:25.43 | Gnarfoz | since I need history, anyway |
| 16:26.22 | jnwhiteh | done =) |
| 16:26.36 | nevcairiel | I wonder if windows even easily supports sending high button events .. it can't just invent new key-presses for one thing, wonder if mouse is different |
| 16:26.47 | jnwhiteh | uhh |
| 16:26.47 | jnwhiteh | weird. |
| 16:27.18 | nevcairiel | logitechts g11/g15 keyboards cant send new key events for their additional keys, always had to bind them to something else =/ |
| 16:27.20 | jnwhiteh | oh isiot. |
| 16:27.21 | jnwhiteh | idiot. |
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| 16:28.02 | DWSR | WTB [Screenshots of Everyone's UI]. PST. |
| 16:28.10 | Shirik | 5k |
| 16:28.18 | DWSR | opens trade with Shirik |
| 16:28.18 | foxlit | 6k! |
| 16:28.26 | Shirik | you're bidding the wrong way... |
| 16:28.35 | DWSR | lol |
| 16:28.46 | foxlit | Inflation, really. |
| 16:28.51 | nevcairiel | maybe the quality is better! |
| 16:28.53 | DWSR | I need some inspiration for UI art, and I was wondering if I could sneak a peak at other people's UIs. |
| 16:29.04 | jnwhiteh | Gnarfoz: its updated now, fwiw. |
| 16:29.09 | foxlit | Art is evil, sorry. |
| 16:29.15 | Gnarfoz | jnwhiteh: nice :) |
| 16:29.29 | foxlit | Although I still have the gryphons. I guess it just wasn't worthwhile to get rid of them. |
| 16:29.32 | nevcairiel | DWSR: just read the "post your UI" thread on <random-ui-page> |
| 16:30.35 | Lunessa | DWSR - http://s177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/matt_converse/WoW%20Interface%20Gallery/ - some of mine over the last while |
| 16:31.27 | DWSR | Thanks Lunessa |
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| 16:33.02 | AckisWork | fyi I'm alive |
| 16:33.06 | DWSR | What are you using in Classic Redux to get the border around the bar? |
| 16:33.07 | AckisWork | I know you were all disappointed |
| 16:33.12 | Adys | who are you |
| 16:33.19 | Ackis | I AM BATMAN |
| 16:33.23 | Lunessa | Note that I don't use a lot of art, just placement, borders and such. |
| 16:33.30 | Adys | gtfo, no superheroes allowed in here |
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| 16:35.25 | DWSR | Lunessa: Still, what mod? |
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| 16:37.39 | Ackis | so if I want to update an image in game (blp file) can I just replace it with a .tga and it'll "work"? (talkinga bout a mod image) |
| 16:38.25 | Lunessa | DWSR - I roll my own layouts but I use Seearah's TipTop, Pocket Plot, Tuller's Dominos, Shadowed's Shadowed Unit Frames and a few random items |
| 16:38.41 | DWSR | Lunessa: PocketPlot? |
| 16:38.45 | Seerah | Ackis: wow reads both .blps and .tgas |
| 16:38.49 | Lunessa | For the mini map. |
| 16:38.54 | foxlit | Ackis: probably. |
| 16:39.19 | Seerah | Ackis: just as long as they meet the image requirements (power of two, and all that) |
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| 16:39.32 | foxlit | Seerah: If the mod expects a blp, would a tga work? |
| 16:39.35 | DWSR | ah ok |
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| 16:39.43 | Ackis | ah I didn't realize they had to be powers of 2 |
| 16:39.54 | Seerah | it depends on if they put the file extension in the lua or not. a file extension is not needed. |
| 16:39.57 | cogwheel | foxlit: as long as the author doesn't specify an extension |
| 16:40.29 | Seerah | Ackis: edge size has to be power of two, and has to be a 32-bit tga with an alpha channel (8 each for r,g,b,a) |
| 16:40.43 | cogwheel | also isn't the maximum edge 512? |
| 16:40.52 | foxlit | 1024 for BLPs, at least. |
| 16:40.55 | Seerah | I swear I've used 1024 before |
| 16:40.57 | Seerah | yeah |
| 16:41.00 | cogwheel | then 1024 it is =) |
| 16:41.04 | Seerah | :) |
| 16:42.01 | Ackis | whispers the image he has: are you a 32-bit tga? do you have an alpha channel? what's your edge size baby? |
| 16:44.21 | DWSR | np: Dusty Kid - Essential Mix (24.10.2009) [119:28m/192kbps/44kHz] |
| 16:44.31 | Adys | the wowuiwave takes a stupid time to load |
| 16:44.32 | Lopeppeppy | Suuuure. |
| 16:44.46 | Adys | freezes to bits |
| 16:44.59 | Seerah | ooh, there's a wowui one? |
| 16:45.06 | Lunessa | Yeah, it used to be 512, but that change slipped in somwhere. |
| 16:45.09 | Adys | yeah |
| 16:45.14 | Adys | whats your wave address? |
| 16:45.17 | Fisker | who wants a damn google wave invite+ |
| 16:45.17 | Fisker | ? |
| 16:45.19 | foxlit | wrath |
| 16:45.40 | DWSR | Fisker |
| 16:45.41 | DWSR | ME! |
| 16:45.45 | Seerah | Adys: ryan.lakanen@gmail.com |
| 16:46.08 | Ackis | spams Seerah |
| 16:46.09 | Shirik | not exactly correct, but it works |
| 16:46.17 | Shirik | technically it's @googlewave.com |
| 16:46.17 | Ackis | oh yes, you need viagra! |
| 16:46.21 | Adys | its @googlewave |
| 16:46.26 | Seerah | ahh... was wondering that |
| 16:46.32 | Fisker | it can still figure it out Shirik |
| 16:46.37 | Fisker | it's not stupid |
| 16:46.39 | Shirik | but wave translates gmail to googlewave |
| 16:46.39 | Fisker | unlike you :( |
| 16:47.01 | DWSR | wooo |
| 16:47.15 | DWSR | Now I need someone to wave at. |
| 16:47.20 | jnwhiteh | DWSR: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/2e15bdd1e326bf0c988728f87440a6fe.png |
| 16:47.33 | Shirik | waves at DWSR |
| 16:48.00 | Adys | mac os x has great window screenshots but |
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| 16:48.11 | evad87 | sup sup |
| 16:48.15 | Adys | why does it feel like it has to take 150px just for shadows |
| 16:48.26 | evad87 | how is everyone today |
| 16:48.27 | Shirik | because it does |
| 16:48.31 | Shirik | very important |
| 16:48.43 | Shirik | Mac OS must make everything artificially pretty, no matter what the cost |
| 16:48.52 | Shirik | s/Mac OS/Apple/ |
| 16:48.53 | alestane | I thought that was Vista. |
| 16:49.02 | alestane | Both, these days, really. |
| 16:49.05 | Adys | screenshot shadows are nice |
| 16:49.16 | Adys | but mac os' are stupidly large |
| 16:49.24 | Adys | I like gnome-screenshot's |
| 16:49.27 | alestane | Always easier to take quality not everyone needs that to forfeit quality someone might want? |
| 16:49.28 | evad87 | ok, i hope everyones day is going great anyhow |
| 16:49.47 | Shirik | no' |
| 16:49.51 | Shirik | always easier to make it an option |
| 16:49.54 | cogwheel | evad87: day's too young to know, imo :P |
| 16:50.04 | Shirik | you should never ask "why not" |
| 16:50.13 | Shirik | when considering a feature |
| 16:50.17 | alestane | Shirik: I would say, "Always BETTER to make it an option." |
| 16:50.29 | evad87 | aww, well work the graveyard shift like I do and you'll find what was once the beginning is now the end |
| 16:50.31 | Shirik | well |
| 16:50.32 | evad87 | and better yet |
| 16:50.42 | Shirik | I would also say "always easier to take quality not everyone needs" is also wrong :P |
| 16:50.46 | Shirik | certainly easier to leave it out |
| 16:50.46 | evad87 | your not an alcoholic for drinking at 8 in the morning ! =P |
| 16:51.25 | alestane | Shirik: You can always downsample. Upsampling can't reclaim lost quality. |
| 16:51.36 | Shirik | that's not exactly true ;) |
| 16:51.40 | Shirik | but I'm not going to get into that right now |
| 16:52.10 | Shirik | however, it's certainly harder to write code to do more than less |
| 16:52.59 | Cide | hi |
| 16:53.04 | Shirik | Cidew |
| 16:53.06 | Shirik | where have you been |
| 16:53.09 | Shirik | I have missed you T_T |
| 16:53.13 | Shirik | are you avoiding me? |
| 16:53.16 | Shirik | You never call anymore |
| 16:53.18 | Cide | taking a test most recently |
| 16:53.23 | Shirik | I go take a shower now bye |
| 16:53.28 | Cide | you're clearly avoiding me |
| 16:53.48 | Adys | no |
| 16:53.52 | *** join/#wowuidev spode (i=spode@213-21-88-111.bon.t3.se) |
| 16:53.52 | Adys | he wants you to come with him |
| 16:54.04 | Lopeppeppy | Do you have hot water? |
| 16:55.43 | Adys | ugh authenticators are annoying |
| 16:55.51 | Adys | i dont know why people like them |
| 16:56.47 | DWSR | Adys: They're great. |
| 16:56.47 | DWSR | I dunno |
| 16:57.30 | Lopeppeppy | I like mine, when I gets to play. |
| 16:57.41 | DWSR | I don't find it annoying at all. |
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| 17:04.13 | Fisker | slaps DWSR around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:06.22 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: Yes, but I shouldn't |
| 17:06.28 | Shirik | I cheated |
| 17:06.37 | Thunder_Child | cheater |
| 17:08.11 | Lopeppeppy | Cheated? |
| 17:08.15 | Lopeppeppy | Penny in the circuit breaker? |
| 17:08.40 | Shirik | lol no |
| 17:08.46 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, then I think you're good. |
| 17:08.47 | Shirik | I just watch the circuit breaker very carefully |
| 17:08.55 | Lopeppeppy | While you're in the shower? |
| 17:08.59 | Shirik | uh no |
| 17:09.01 | Lopeppeppy | And what is your landlord *doing* about this, I ask? |
| 17:09.02 | Shirik | I turn it off in the shower :P |
| 17:09.07 | Shirik | they're going to fix it |
| 17:09.12 | Shirik | someone was here yesterday |
| 17:09.18 | Shirik | I assume they're coming back |
| 17:09.35 | Thunder_Child | in your shower? |
| 17:09.40 | Shirik | ... |
| 17:11.28 | Thunder_Child | looks like we do have a good influence on you, you would have fallen for that not to long ago |
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| 17:13.38 | Shirik | ? |
| 17:13.40 | Shirik | fallen for what |
| 17:13.53 | Thunder_Child | my question |
| 17:14.19 | Shirik | I'm not sure what there is to fall for o.o |
| 17:14.30 | Thunder_Child | answering it |
| 17:14.37 | Thunder_Child | in a serious manner |
| 17:15.17 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy |
| 17:15.20 | Shirik | Thunder_Child is being mean to me |
| 17:15.33 | Shirik | bite off his head |
| 17:16.35 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr, TC. |
| 17:16.45 | Legorol | yay, i just completed Halls of Reflection! absolutely awesome |
| 17:16.47 | Lopeppeppy | Remember what I said about being in a bad mood. I chased Fisker away by licking him. |
| 17:16.56 | Legorol | It's probably the most epic I ever felt a 5-man instance to be |
| 17:16.58 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 17:17.03 | Thunder_Child | scratches behind Lopeppeppy's ears |
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| 17:19.05 | DWSR | Anyone know of a mod that works like Exposé for your chat frames? |
| 17:19.28 | Industrial | none. |
| 17:19.39 | Industrial | there was a dashboardlike addon |
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| 17:25.09 | DWSR | Erection reset by Ejaculation? |
| 17:25.23 | Lopeppeppy | not always, try viagra! |
| 17:26.15 | DWSR | what about 'Erection reset by refactory period'? |
| 17:27.19 | Lopeppeppy | Not always, try viagra! |
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| 17:27.41 | DWSR | suspects Lopeppeppy is a spammer. |
| 17:27.52 | DWSR | Or a viagra user. |
| 17:27.58 | Industrial | Erection reset by mother opening the door |
| 17:28.11 | DWSR | mine doesn't do that. |
| 17:28.18 | Industrial | go down? |
| 17:28.22 | Industrial | (xD) |
| 17:28.23 | DWSR | No |
| 17:28.26 | DWSR | :P |
| 17:28.30 | Lopeppeppy | What does viagra do for girls? |
| 17:28.38 | Cide | give them an erection? duh |
| 17:28.41 | *** part/#wowuidev pompy (n=Mike@c-68-38-45-3.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 17:28.42 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: ^^ |
| 17:28.43 | cogwheel | in a sense, yes |
| 17:28.54 | cogwheel | it can increase their... arousal down there... |
| 17:28.57 | [Ammo] | anyone that feels like voiceacting: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?p=292086 |
| 17:29.00 | Lopeppeppy | Huh. Not on my list of things to try. |
| 17:29.11 | DWSR | It increases your sensitivity. |
| 17:29.15 | DWSR | And your libido. |
| 17:30.38 | DWSR | [Ammo]: Huh. |
| 17:30.41 | DWSR | I'll do mine, I guess. |
| 17:30.47 | Cide | do your.. hat? |
| 17:30.48 | Cide | what? |
| 17:30.52 | DWSR | [Ammo]: Do you want me to scrub out the noise from mine as best I can? |
| 17:30.55 | Cide | nvm don't tell me |
| 17:30.58 | DWSR | Cide: See [Ammo]'s link. |
| 17:31.03 | Cide | I know |
| 17:31.09 | Cide | I was just relating it to another conversation |
| 17:31.23 | Lunessa | Isn't touching this converstation. |
| 17:31.39 | DWSR | FACEBOOK HEATHEN |
| 17:31.56 | DWSR | LEARN THAT /ME IS HOW YOU MAKE ACTIONS, AND SIMPLY TYPING IS HOW YOU MAKE STATEMENTS |
| 17:32.01 | DWSR | RAWR |
| 17:32.08 | Industrial | the irc generation. |
| 17:32.23 | Thunder_Child | nah |
| 17:32.55 | cogwheel | touches your wow.exe |
| 17:33.11 | zenzelezz | leave my file modification timestamps alone please |
| 17:34.01 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a total heathen. :) |
| 17:34.05 | NightHawkTheSane | blinks |
| 17:34.18 | Industrial | isnt |
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| 17:34.21 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: good, then we can be heathens together |
| 17:34.49 | NightHawkTheSane | do i even want to know what i walked in to? |
| 17:34.50 | NightHawkTheSane | ... don |
| 17:34.51 | DWSR | I once told my girlfriend that I was the Crusader of her bed. |
| 17:34.53 | NightHawkTheSane | don't answer that. |
| 17:35.05 | DWSR | She went down on me, RPing that I was her paladin in shining armor. |
| 17:35.22 | Lopeppeppy | You didn't want to know, NHTS. |
| 17:35.25 | Shirik | http://insomnia.ac/archive/games/xbox360/s/streetfighteriv/ken_flowchart.jpg |
| 17:35.26 | Lunessa | ... |
| 17:35.41 | Shirik | my guild has started a thread on flowcharts |
| 17:35.59 | alestane | NightHawkTheSane: Hey, whatever works for everyone. |
| 17:37.26 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: hey, everyone's different, i get that. i dont need to knwo about it though. :) |
| 17:37.45 | zenzelezz | this is IRC, what you need to know is irrelevant |
| 17:38.01 | alestane | Actually, I meant to flag that for DWSR anyway. My bad. |
| 17:38.03 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly, also true. |
| 17:38.08 | DWSR | lol |
| 17:38.35 | DWSR | I cast Divine Storm as she cast Commanding Shout and we both...... ;)( |
| 17:39.01 | DWSR | bah, my wowrotica blows. |
| 17:39.02 | DWSR | Oh well. |
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| 17:39.17 | zenzelezz | clearly |
| 17:39.21 | [Ammo] | DWSR: well we're just looking for cool voices |
| 17:39.23 | zenzelezz | your armour would have prevented any fun stuff |
| 17:39.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: thats amusing. |
| 17:39.29 | alestane | Can't be much worse than [A Steamy Romance Novel: Forbidden Love]. |
| 17:39.39 | DWSR | [Ammo]: Can I add SFX to my voices? |
| 17:39.40 | Industrial | alestane: haha |
| 17:39.59 | alestane | Industrial: Have you ever actually READ that thing? |
| 17:40.01 | Lunessa | Oh, I don't know... this lot has seen the depths of 4chan and /b/ |
| 17:40.01 | [Ammo] | DWSR: ofcourse, but remember it's a countdown in seconds |
| 17:40.13 | Industrial | DWSR: cool as in the majority of people will like it. |
| 17:40.14 | [Ammo] | DWSR: so you can't have stuff longer than one second |
| 17:40.17 | zenzelezz | speaking of role playing, I wonder if they sell Jack Sparrow outfits anywhere |
| 17:40.37 | Industrial | Lunessa: yes. |
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| 17:41.21 | [Ammo] | zenzelezz: you can put together such an outfit quite easily |
| 17:41.35 | zenzelezz | I have all the skills of a toad when it comes to clothes |
| 17:41.36 | [Ammo] | zenzelezz: but they probably sell some at outrageous prices :) |
| 17:41.43 | [Ammo] | zenzelezz: find a girl |
| 17:41.53 | [Ammo] | zenzelezz: and tell her to help you dress silly ;) |
| 17:41.56 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: Someone looks at my links? o.o |
| 17:42.02 | zenzelezz | I may have to |
| 17:42.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: once in a while, yes. i have a weakness for flowcharts, though |
| 17:43.14 | [Ammo] | zenzelezz: I did some roleplaying costumes myself, but always had help from girls |
| 17:43.21 | Lopeppeppy | Take pictures of your clothes and send them to girls, ask them to mix and match. |
| 17:43.36 | Lopeppeppy | But yes, you can buy a jack sparrow outfit at any costume-type shop. |
| 17:43.56 | NightHawkTheSane | unless it's like.. the day before halloween |
| 17:43.58 | NightHawkTheSane | then you're fucked. |
| 17:44.40 | [Ammo] | this was one costume I made from scratch (note it needs a troll mask) http://connected.dnd.utwente.nl/~wouter/kostuum/ |
| 17:44.48 | *** join/#wowuidev sioraiocht (n=tomh@unaffiliated/sioraiocht) |
| 17:44.56 | [Ammo] | it's meant to look like the troll mage from shadowrun |
| 17:45.16 | mikma | [ammo_]_: you are sideways in every picture |
| 17:45.28 | Industrial | >< |
| 17:45.29 | [Ammo] | mikma: mage means time gravity distortions |
| 17:45.39 | Lopeppeppy | I tend to buy my costumes, but I'm putting together a sexy white rabbit for a party in February. |
| 17:46.19 | [Ammo] | I have one custome I made to look like that wesley snipes / stallone movie |
| 17:46.27 | cogwheel | [Ammo]: lern2rotate imo |
| 17:46.36 | [Ammo] | cogwheel: those pictures are old :p |
| 17:46.52 | [Ammo] | dumped them there a long time ago |
| 17:47.19 | [Ammo] | anyway the snipes/stallone movie where the defrost the people and snipes goes on a destruction tour and stallone has to catch him |
| 17:47.30 | [Ammo] | I made a custome that mimics the president in that movie |
| 17:47.32 | cogwheel | demolition man |
| 17:47.34 | [Ammo] | that one |
| 17:47.47 | [Ammo] | president has a japanese style luxury costume |
| 17:47.59 | [Ammo] | I made that for a vampire character |
| 17:48.09 | [Ammo] | including whiteout lenses etc |
| 17:48.14 | Shirik | multiplies cogwheel by [ [1 sin(90)] [-cos(90) 1] ] |
| 17:48.23 | zenzelezz | <Lopeppeppy> I tend to buy my costumes, but I'm putting together a sexy white rabbit for a party in February. <-- peppy-bunny? PICTURES! |
| 17:48.30 | [Ammo] | haa |
| 17:48.38 | DWSR | what zenzelezz said |
| 17:48.41 | Industrial | ^ |
| 17:48.46 | cogwheel | Shirik: do you know what the matrix is? |
| 17:48.48 | foxlit | optimizes Shirik away. |
| 17:48.49 | DWSR | Does Shadow Protection stack with Shadow Resistance Aura? |
| 17:48.52 | cogwheel | ominouses |
| 17:48.54 | Shirik | no |
| 17:48.59 | Shirik | I have to look them up |
| 17:48.59 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy as The White Rabbit. Very different. |
| 17:49.00 | theorbtwo | wonders what a dinasaur dressed up as a bunny looks like. |
| 17:49.02 | Shirik | that was a wrong guess :P |
| 17:49.16 | alestane | Ooh, ginger bunny! |
| 17:49.16 | zenzelezz | follows the white rabbit |
| 17:49.17 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr-wiggle-nose! |
| 17:49.18 | Shirik | [ [ cosx -sinx ] [sinx cosx] ] |
| 17:49.38 | Shirik | actually |
| 17:49.44 | Shirik | now that I think about it, I was right |
| 17:49.45 | cogwheel | takes both the blue and red pills |
| 17:49.56 | Lopeppeppy | No double-dipping, cog. |
| 17:50.11 | Shirik | wait no I wasn't |
| 17:50.14 | NightHawkTheSane | mixes the blue and red pills together along with a vodka tonic. |
| 17:50.16 | zenzelezz | "The pill you just took was placebo. This is all in your mind" |
| 17:50.31 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy would totally be the white rabbit |
| 17:50.38 | cogwheel | Shirik: also... wtf did you use degrees? :P |
| 17:50.42 | Shirik | and I'd follow her anywhere |
| 17:50.48 | Shirik | cogwheel: Because I have no 'pi' key on my keyboard |
| 17:50.48 | Lopeppeppy | I am very the white rabbit. Rawr. |
| 17:50.54 | Lopeppeppy | And thank you, Shirik! |
| 17:51.11 | [Ammo] | pics or it didn't happen :) |
| 17:51.22 | zenzelezz | I already made a follow-reference |
| 17:51.30 | Shirik | oh |
| 17:51.31 | Shirik | I missed it |
| 17:51.35 | Lopeppeppy | It's in FEBRUARY, Ammo. :) |
| 17:51.38 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy liked mine better though |
| 17:51.40 | Shirik | so NYAH |
| 17:51.43 | theorbtwo | Lopeppeppy: Just don't be late. |
| 17:51.45 | [Ammo] | Lopeppeppy: just wear what you have now :p |
| 17:51.49 | theorbtwo | ...for a very important date. |
| 17:51.50 | zenzelezz | mine was from The Matrix, so two in one. I win |
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| 17:52.16 | Lopeppeppy | My kitty has to be better before I can go though, so you guys start sending her positive thoughts, okay? |
| 17:52.29 | zenzelezz | certainly |
| 17:52.43 | Lopeppeppy | She ripped all of her staples out again. *sigh* |
| 17:52.43 | theorbtwo | You want vibes for your pussy ... cat? |
| 17:52.48 | Lopeppeppy | But she's totally getting laser therapy now! |
| 17:52.55 | cogwheel | ~lart theorbtwo |
| 17:52.55 | purl | pours hot grits down the front of theorbtwo's pants |
| 17:53.00 | zenzelezz | laser therapy? |
| 17:53.06 | theorbtwo | Ow! |
| 17:53.07 | zenzelezz | is this the "new" cat? |
| 17:53.08 | [Ammo] | Lopeppeppy: put mittens on her paws |
| 17:53.09 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, cold laster therapy. |
| 17:53.12 | cogwheel | ~botsnack |
| 17:53.12 | purl | cogwheel: thanks |
| 17:53.13 | [Ammo] | so she can't remove the staples |
| 17:53.27 | theorbtwo | What's wrong with her? |
| 17:53.30 | Lopeppeppy | Ammo, it's not that... they're in an awkward area, and every time she moves, she tugs at them... they come out. |
| 17:53.36 | [Ammo] | ugh |
| 17:53.43 | zenzelezz | oh |
| 17:53.59 | zenzelezz | is she very active? Most cats just sleep |
| 17:53.59 | Lopeppeppy | theorbtwo, she was a stray, I adopted her injured with a huge hole in her side and armpit. She's mostly healed, except an inch left in her armpit that she keeps ripping open again. Rawr. |
| 17:54.01 | [Ammo] | bandages |
| 17:54.01 | NightHawkTheSane | kitten mittens? |
| 17:54.06 | NightHawkTheSane | the ORIGINAL kitten mittens? |
| 17:54.17 | [Ammo] | staples and then a tight bandage |
| 17:54.22 | theorbtwo | Aw, poor thing. |
| 17:54.33 | [Ammo] | unless the wound needs airing ofcurse |
| 17:54.36 | zenzelezz | lol: http://kotaku.com/5403286/what-modern-warfare-2-boycotters-are-playing |
| 17:54.40 | Lopeppeppy | She's not active, she's in a dog kennel to keep her confined so she CAN'T move a lot. She's in an e-collar, and the area can't be bandaged or the wound will fester (needs air) |
| 17:54.54 | Lopeppeppy | trust me... we've been working on her since August. :) |
| 17:55.42 | foxlit | 18 / 36; not bad. |
| 17:55.43 | Lopeppeppy | She had her first surgery in July, before I even adopted her, so this has been goin' on forever. My Rosiekins Frankencat. |
| 17:55.54 | foxlit | Isn't AC2 supposed to appear soon? |
| 17:56.25 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 17:56.40 | Lopeppeppy | http://s29.photobucket.com/albums/c271/jarien/Rosie/ -- don't watch the video if you're squeemish, it shows her original wound. |
| 17:56.42 | [Ammo] | Lopeppeppy: sucks |
| 17:57.04 | DWSR | awww |
| 17:57.06 | foxlit | qq@2010 PC release. |
| 17:57.08 | DWSR | poor pussy. |
| 17:57.17 | DWSR | cat. |
| 17:57.59 | cogwheel | my agnostic cat is a total pussy... he won't stand up for himself when my glutton cat tries to get him away from his food. |
| 17:58.11 | [Ammo] | looks a bit like our cat |
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| 17:58.27 | Lopeppeppy | I don't know how Rosie and Kendra will get along when they can touch one another. They're fine with the kennel in between, but who knows? |
| 17:58.27 | foxlit | whoah, crysis has a higher metascore than portal. |
| 17:59.02 | DWSR | foxlit: That's because more people play Crysis. |
| 17:59.19 | foxlit | DWSR: I thought metascores were based on professional reviews. |
| 17:59.21 | theorbtwo | Really? I loved portal, and have never played crysis. |
| 17:59.32 | DWSR | foxlit: No. |
| 17:59.46 | DWSR | It's based off of a number of different things, but community reviews is a part, IIRC. |
| 18:00.01 | DWSR | Portal was an amazing game, the problem was the fact that it was a puzzle game. |
| 18:00.16 | DWSR | Puzzle games are never going to be as popular as FPS because of frat boys. |
| 18:00.24 | DWSR | Guys, we're entering the age of the BROPACALYPSE. |
| 18:00.34 | DWSR | apocalypse(sp?) |
| 18:00.35 | batbot | DWSR, apocalypse is correct. |
| 18:00.49 | foxlit | "To put it simply, a METASCORE is a weighted average of reviews from national critics and publications for a given movie, book, TV show, videogame, or album. For those of you who enjoy math, read further." ... "This overall score, or METASCORE, is a weighted average of the individual critic scores." |
| 18:00.54 | theorbtwo | FPSes have more replay value, I think. |
| 18:01.03 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: if that means nuking thtem all from orbit, i'm, OK with that. |
| 18:01.12 | DWSR | NHTS: indeed. |
| 18:01.27 | foxlit | "Q: Are user votes included in the METASCORE calculations?" "No" |
| 18:01.30 | DWSR | foxlit: huh, could have sworn there was a community component. |
| 18:01.33 | DWSR | oh well. |
| 18:01.48 | NightHawkTheSane | srsly folks, we're geeks, we're geeks probably in control of a great many things, we should be able to nuke things from orbit these days. especially frat boys. |
| 18:02.01 | NightHawkTheSane | mumbles disgruntedly |
| 18:02.16 | DWSR | mumbles disgruntledly to NHTS |
| 18:02.21 | foxlit | Meh. I'm all for revamping our nuke-from-orbit infrastructure. |
| 18:02.31 | theorbtwo | I think we tend to prefer methods that have less splash damage. |
| 18:02.34 | foxlit | Too messy; let's ion-cannon things from orbit instead. |
| 18:02.55 | DWSR | I was thinking we could equip some special ops teams with a laser painter in order to target nuclear missles. |
| 18:02.57 | Lopeppeppy | Please do, whichever weapon you choose. |
| 18:03.00 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: in practice, i agree. ion-cannoning things is far superior |
| 18:03.01 | DWSR | We could call them ghosts. |
| 18:03.12 | NightHawkTheSane | but lets face it, nuke-from-orbit rolls off the toungue far better than ion-cannon-from-orbit |
| 18:03.35 | DWSR | NHTS: The result is the same, so does it matter that we call it nuke from orbit? |
| 18:03.52 | NightHawkTheSane | So I propose all orbital-based devastation be carried out via orbital ion cannons, but we continue referring to it as nuking from orbit. |
| 18:03.54 | DWSR | imo, to nuke is a verb meaning hit something hard. |
| 18:04.09 | DWSR | Therefore, ion cannon'ing things from orbit still qualifies as nuking. |
| 18:04.36 | DWSR | I second NHTS's proposal. |
| 18:06.44 | DWSR | Ah, I know what we can do. |
| 18:06.55 | DWSR | I propose the creation of samurai assassin androids. |
| 18:07.03 | DWSR | To selectively target all fraternities |
| 18:07.24 | foxlit | Robot ninja pirates? Such a thing cannot exist! |
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| 18:08.30 | theorbtwo | foxlit: Clearly those are people who illegally copy robot ninjas. |
| 18:08.44 | DWSR | that's why I used samurais. |
| 18:08.49 | DWSR | They obviously are not copyrighted. |
| 18:09.34 | Industrial | if its any country then japan should replace their army with robots first. |
| 18:09.47 | NightHawkTheSane | who says they havn't? :P |
| 18:09.49 | Industrial | Are they behind on america in that aspect? I have no idea. |
| 18:10.03 | NightHawkTheSane | has anyone SEEN japan's army lately? hmmmm?? :P |
| 18:10.07 | Industrial | exactly |
| 18:10.14 | NightHawkTheSane | I think they have a secret underground gundam facility |
| 18:10.18 | Industrial | haha |
| 18:10.24 | Industrial | NightHawkTheSane: red alert 3 :p |
| 18:10.25 | NightHawkTheSane | possibly a couple super dimensional fortresses as well |
| 18:10.47 | Industrial | ow ow ow, sec, fetching a pic :D |
| 18:10.53 | NightHawkTheSane | haha |
| 18:11.12 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:11.15 | Industrial | nerdgasmic. |
| 18:11.25 | Industrial | fuck it, I'm going to mark it with MS paint. |
| 18:11.33 | Industrial | the ones I watched :D |
| 18:11.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Doow (n=Miranda@unaffiliated/doow) |
| 18:11.39 | theorbtwo | Japan doesn't have an army, they have a ground defense force. HONEST! |
| 18:12.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Industrial: jesus christ thats complex |
| 18:13.01 | NightHawkTheSane | theorbtwo: that's just a cover so we don't suspect them of anything |
| 18:13.29 | theorbtwo | Yes, and that has *nothing* to do with why I wrote "honest" in all caps. |
| 18:13.56 | Fisker | slaps NightHawkTheSane around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:14.14 | NightHawkTheSane | ... shut up. it's before noon. I don't have the mental capacity for subtlety or sarcasm. ;) |
| 18:14.33 | Fisker | yeah theorbtwo |
| 18:14.36 | Fisker | stop trolling! |
| 18:14.38 | NightHawkTheSane | slaps Fisker around with a large Gundam |
| 18:15.06 | Industrial | NightHawkTheSane: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/46329bba8260eebbec45474c5e20b3b9.png |
| 18:15.30 | Legorol | Industrial: lol, omg |
| 18:15.34 | Industrial | watched all the main series, not much old stuff (dont really like it as much) and not a lot of extra movies |
| 18:15.35 | Legorol | (at the Gundam chart) |
| 18:15.50 | Industrial | :E |
| 18:16.08 | Industrial | you can wake me in the middle of the night and say 'hey new gundam' and ill watch it. |
| 18:17.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Industrial: nice |
| 18:17.46 | NightHawkTheSane | I really want to watch some of the older gundams. |
| 18:17.55 | Thunder_Child | you can wake me in the middle of the night and say 'hey new gundam' and ill beat you to death |
| 18:17.59 | NightHawkTheSane | but evry time i try.. i'm like "wow, this is.. not that good" and stop. |
| 18:18.09 | Industrial | I really didnt like war in the pocket - it was more aimed at children then teens in the 80's |
| 18:18.15 | Industrial | NightHawkTheSane: same |
| 18:18.27 | Industrial | oh and 00 sucks. |
| 18:19.01 | Industrial | its drama out of nowhere and its all 'we have to stop war lets kill everyone' |
| 18:19.13 | Industrial | I liked the seed and destiny stories better |
| 18:19.44 | Industrial | though I prefer no 3d animations (the battleships), only drawn. |
| 18:19.50 | Fisker | slaps Industrial around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:19.53 | AbsolutRayne | Oh neat, my WoW just crashed O_o |
| 18:21.08 | Lopeppeppy | Excellent work, AbsolutRayne! |
| 18:22.36 | Cide | tem would be proud, would he not be afk |
| 18:22.53 | Thunder_Child | ....waaa http://kotaku.com/5403736/gamestop-to-sell-dlcin-their-stores |
| 18:23.26 | Shirik | 2>classification.hpp(102) : warning C4996: 'std::copy': Function call with parameters that may be unsafe - this call relies on the caller to check that the passed values are correct. To disable this warning, use -D_SCL_SECURE_NO_WARNINGS. See documentation on how to use Visual C++ 'Checked Iterators' |
| 18:23.30 | Shirik | FFS MICROSOFT LEAVE US ALONE |
| 18:23.37 | Shirik | do they honestly think all programmers are stupid? |
| 18:23.54 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. |
| 18:23.56 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 18:24.08 | theorbtwo | What call does not rely on the caller to check that the passed values are correct? |
| 18:24.16 | Shirik | I don't know, it's part of boost |
| 18:24.20 | Cide | a call that validates the input? |
| 18:24.24 | Shirik | ::std::copy(::boost::begin(Range), ::boost::end(Range), Storage); |
| 18:24.26 | Shirik | whatever that is |
| 18:24.33 | Shirik | some part of the boost library |
| 18:24.40 | nevcairiel | Anyone have any experience converting h264 to dvd? |
| 18:25.17 | Thunder_Child | yes, but only with a program |
| 18:25.31 | Cide | I do it by hand myself. |
| 18:26.24 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn|afk -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.2.x ToC: 30200 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | "It eats kittens and small rodents." - Lopeppeppy |
| 18:26.37 | Thunder_Child | interesting http://kotaku.com/5403730/blizzcon-2010-vegas-baby yet i just saw a blue post saying "dont make any travel plans" |
| 18:27.23 | Lopeppeppy | Perhaps they are planning some Bliz staff retreat in July in vegas, NOT bliz con. |
| 18:27.28 | Cide | While Blizzard are yet to announce the move themselves, the website of the LVCC has jumped the gun and listed the show, which is due to take place on the 30th and 31st of July, 2010. |
| 18:27.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: the blue response is pretty much boilerplate blizzard non-denial-non-confirmation "we have not made an official anouncement" style response |
| 18:27.51 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 18:28.15 | Thunder_Child | and yet another person pointing out the obvious |
| 18:28.16 | Fisker | who makes travelplans before it's confirmed anyways? |
| 18:28.19 | Fisker | so stupid response at that |
| 18:28.56 | Lopeppeppy | Many people do, because the hotels sell out horribly fast. They can book a room now, and ditch it later with no penalty if the con doesn't happen. |
| 18:29.31 | Fisker | So what you're saying is "do make travel plans" |
| 18:29.42 | Fisker | i was talking about airplane tickets though :P |
| 18:30.08 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, go and do http://kotaku.com/5403304/ai-convention-features-starcraft-competition |
| 18:31.59 | krka | i considered playing with that |
| 18:32.04 | krka | maybe when i have enough time |
| 18:32.19 | Seerah | I think there are plenty of hotels.... |
| 18:32.59 | Lopeppeppy | But not THE con hotel, Seerah! |
| 18:33.12 | Seerah | do we know which hotel it's in? |
| 18:33.24 | Seerah | I thought it was at hte convention center... |
| 18:33.54 | Thunder_Child | ya, at the LVCC |
| 18:34.00 | Thunder_Child | according to teh website |
| 18:34.01 | Fisker | ... |
| 18:34.06 | Fisker | just wiped totc10 _normal_ |
| 18:34.18 | Fisker | i wonder how i get out of this raid :o |
| 18:34.21 | Seerah | you did? gg :) |
| 18:34.46 | Fisker | tank just decided to spray both healers with acidic spew |
| 18:35.19 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, that happened to us last night (although it was the ranged/healers fault cause we were dumb and clustered up) |
| 18:35.23 | NightHawkTheSane | we didn't wipe though. |
| 18:38.02 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/242707156 |
| 18:38.30 | Seerah | hmm... according to the wow.com article, Blizz said that BC is not in Vegas, and the calendar listing has disappeared: http://www.wow.com/2009/11/12/blizzcon-2010-july-in-las-vegas/ |
| 18:38.53 | Seerah | probably just covering up for now, but.... /shrug |
| 18:39.56 | Lopeppeppy | Of course it disappeared, Bliz called them and told them to stop being prats. :) |
| 18:40.29 | Industrial | adds 2334 files to his git repo |
| 18:40.47 | Lunessa | And what if it's not for BlizzCon - what if they happen to have some other event? </devil's Advocate> |
| 18:41.11 | Cide | the booking said "BlizzCon 2010" but /shrug |
| 18:41.13 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly. A staff retreat, etc. |
| 18:41.16 | Thunder_Child | why would it have been listed as blizzcon then |
| 18:41.24 | Cide | (see http://www.wow.com/gallery/adams-wow-gallery/2450903/ ) |
| 18:41.26 | Lopeppeppy | Because the hotel wanted to sell out their rooms ? |
| 18:41.35 | Thunder_Child | dobutful |
| 18:42.02 | Shirik | lol Seerah |
| 18:42.08 | Seerah | ? |
| 18:42.19 | Shirik | I wouldn't be surprised if wow.com called that hotel under Blizzard's name |
| 18:42.32 | Seerah | the thought *did* occur to me... |
| 18:43.48 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:44.01 | Lunessa | WoW.com doesn't exactly have journalistic standards of any sort. |
| 18:44.05 | Fisker | "Hi this r Blizzard?" |
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| 18:46.56 | Cairenn | has a joke for you guys |
| 18:47.03 | zenzelezz | is all ears |
| 18:47.06 | Cairenn | A big concern, something to think about: |
| 18:47.11 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, we know wow.com is a joke. ;) |
| 18:47.23 | Cairenn | I'm not really concerned about swine flu. Here's my big concern: |
| 18:47.25 | Lunessa | "What if like, the whole world farted at once?" |
| 18:47.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: depends on which direction they farted. we'd either gain or lose a day i bet. |
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| 18:47.48 | Cairenn | 3 years ago was the Chinese calendar year of the cow ... and we had Mad Cow disease. |
| 18:48.06 | Cairenn | 2 years ago was the Chinese calendar year of the bird ... and we had Avian flu. |
| 18:48.21 | Cairenn | This year is the Chinese calendar year of the pig ... and we have Swine flu. |
| 18:48.29 | Lopeppeppy | Neat. |
| 18:48.40 | Cairenn | However, next year is the Chinese calendar year of the cock .. anybody else worried now? |
| 18:48.47 | zenzelezz | imagine when we reach the year of the snake, and we all have snake eyes |
| 18:48.50 | Lopeppeppy | looks at the boys. |
| 18:49.11 | airtonix | its not year of the phallus |
| 18:49.23 | Coren{de} | anyone got a clue how to find out which role the automated LFG tool on the PTR has assigned to a player in the group? the default frames show little icons, but I can't find out where or how it is done (in .lua)... is that accessible information? |
| 18:50.12 | Zhinjio | grins. |
| 18:50.38 | Zhinjio | Cairenn: I will wear protective shielding starting end of December. |
| 18:51.19 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:51.23 | Lunessa | Coren{de}: The player selects those options, the server does the matching. It doesn't happen in lua |
| 18:51.42 | Coren{de} | Lunessa: nice information, but not answering the question :) |
| 18:52.49 | Coren{de} | as soon as the group is completed and enters the dungeon, every player hat a little icon (their role: shield, red cross, dagger) *on their frame* (so you know as multi-spec what to do) |
| 18:53.00 | Coren{de} | s/hat/has/ |
| 18:53.26 | Legorol | yah that's in one of the latest builds, that's really neat |
| 18:53.33 | Legorol | no more "who queued as healer?" in party chat :) |
| 18:53.55 | nevcairiel | hm i need to add that to my UF |
| 18:54.43 | kdtresh | does it tell you which role you got before it puts you into the dungeon? |
| 18:55.08 | kd3 | yes |
| 18:55.16 | kd3 | www.wowwiki.com/LFD |
| 18:55.26 | kd3 | screencaps of every stage of the queue process |
| 18:55.33 | kd3 | though I need to update it since they've pulled some of the options |
| 18:56.02 | nevcairiel | its a really neat system, finally something good |
| 18:56.12 | Coren{de} | I beg to differ :p |
| 18:56.27 | alestane | That is, I believe, kind of the point. |
| 18:56.40 | nevcairiel | It even matches gear |
| 18:56.51 | nevcairiel | it didnt let me queue for the hardmode raids on PTR |
| 18:57.44 | Coren{de} | the most annoying thing atm is that it doesn't show who you're gonna join |
| 18:57.58 | Coren{de} | and the thing with ignore list... is total bullshit IMHO |
| 18:58.00 | kd3 | which is deliberate afaict |
| 18:58.07 | Thunder_Child | kd3, and the name of the page |
| 18:58.17 | Thunder_Child | DMS i think actually |
| 18:58.25 | Coren{de} | I put people on ignore because they're shit, not because they can't play their char |
| 18:58.25 | nevcairiel | is it important to to know who you join? |
| 18:58.50 | nevcairiel | Well you don't want those people in your group, do you?! |
| 18:58.53 | Coren{de} | now I have to put people on ignore to evade their lack of skill, even though they might be very decent persons |
| 18:59.20 | Aelo | should just have an "avoid" list :p |
| 18:59.26 | nevcairiel | you're just an ass like that, then! its cross-server now, you can't put every incompetent person on ignore :P |
| 18:59.28 | Coren{de} | indeed, then it would be ok |
| 18:59.53 | Coren{de} | ignore was extended so you can do just that :p |
| 19:00.02 | nevcairiel | to 50 or so, no? |
| 19:00.05 | Coren{de} | still, it's the wrong thing to abuse for their failure |
| 19:00.15 | nevcairiel | there is more incompetent people on every realm :p |
| 19:00.43 | Coren{de} | I can score them and keep the top 50 skill-less :p |
| 19:02.07 | Coren{de} | say, you have a sister with a kid that plays badly... should you really put it on ignore to avoid grouping with him? stupid, Blizzard, abysmal stupid |
| 19:03.10 | nevcairiel | no you should just be nicer to people |
| 19:03.26 | Seerah | actually, I think you shouldn't avoid your nephew ;) |
| 19:03.40 | NightHawkTheSane | this is the internet, no one is nice on the internet. |
| 19:03.55 | nevcairiel | Its not stupid to ignore people on your ignore list. |
| 19:04.06 | nevcairiel | if you feel like you have to abuse it, its you that is stupid, IMHO |
| 19:04.59 | NightHawkTheSane | honestly, the number of times i've not been able to complete an instance (heroic or normal) due to player incompetance is very low. |
| 19:05.26 | DWSR | >0 is still 1. |
| 19:05.28 | Coren{de} | my nephew is only like 4, so I won't hit that issue :> |
| 19:05.32 | DWSR | 1 is still >0* |
| 19:05.34 | Lunessa | So what you're really saying is "I want to chat with these people, but never, ever, fucking ever group with them. Build me a separate list for that." |
| 19:05.36 | NightHawkTheSane | and most of those times it wasn't just incompetance, but that combined with probably not-quite-good-enough gear. |
| 19:05.57 | nevcairiel | If you can't live with not-so-good-people once in a while, maybe you shouldnt PUG |
| 19:06.24 | DWSR | I don't. |
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| 19:06.44 | Coren{de} | I'd like to have a choice. And that one, Nev, is not a choice. Swallow or spit? |
| 19:06.51 | nevcairiel | Indeed |
| 19:07.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Coren{de}: you do have a choice. Put up with random people of random quality, or don't. :P |
| 19:07.18 | nevcairiel | Its a match making service, you can't hand them a list before which people you want to avoid =p |
| 19:07.58 | Coren{de} | nev, you can: your ignore list (which also allows cross-server ignore on the PTR) |
| 19:08.17 | nevcairiel | So just abuse that if you feel comfortable with that |
| 19:08.27 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Yes, you can. |
| 19:08.46 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Saying that "I don't want to be grouped with this person" is perfectly valid in a matchmaking service. |
| 19:09.06 | DWSR | Look at eHarmony.com. They match you based on your compatibilities, which is as good as saying "I don't like people with quality x" |
| 19:09.10 | nevcairiel | If you want to be picky, build your own freaking group and dont use the system |
| 19:09.13 | Lunessa | Sure. But it's not in the implementation. If you want it in the implementation ask Blizzard. |
| 19:09.43 | Seerah | Blizzard's setting you up on a blind date. You may not like who you get paired up with. ;) |
| 19:09.51 | Lunessa | Seerah: <3 |
| 19:10.06 | nevcairiel | They would need to add yet another list that is synced between client/server, which is again more strain on the servers |
| 19:10.30 | nevcairiel | And it probably would be limited again to x entrys, and people would complain that they ignored too many already |
| 19:11.03 | Seerah | you might end up saying "Oh, I had a great time - we're going out again!", or "it was just meh... we didn't really click, but it wasn't awful", or you may say "god - there are people like that in this world?!?" |
| 19:11.06 | nevcairiel | Also, i would hope the matchmaking works like that, if it can build a full group with an ignored person who is a tank, and you are dps, it replaces you, instead of waiting for ever :P |
| 19:12.28 | Coren{de} | Seerah, where's the option to say "We should do that again!" (never! |
| 19:12.30 | Coren{de} | ) |
| 19:12.58 | Coren{de} | or, "I call you!" (sure!) |
| 19:13.02 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: that is an interesting question, actually |
| 19:13.31 | Seerah | Coren{de}: just because you say one thing, doesn't mean that your actual feeling doesn't fit into one of the three categories I listed ;) |
| 19:14.20 | Fisker | i gotta pee |
| 19:14.57 | Coren{de} | yeah well... would you accept to be repeatedly setup with the "god - there are people like that in this world?!?" category? ;p |
| 19:15.18 | Seerah | those are the ones you put on your ignore list. |
| 19:15.49 | nevcairiel | Maybe you're just too picky, which brings me back to the "dont PUG" idea |
| 19:15.51 | Coren{de} | oh, and they badly need to add a gear check / talent check... |
| 19:16.01 | nevcairiel | They have a gear check. |
| 19:16.06 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 19:16.11 | Seerah | and if you run into way too many people that you consider fall into that category then either a) your standards are too high and you shouldn't be using the LFG system or b) you have the wrong expectations from the LFG system |
| 19:16.23 | nevcairiel | You can't queue for the hardmode 3.2 instance in ulduar gear |
| 19:16.27 | Coren{de} | just had a group with a "tank" which was in pvp/dps gear, talent tree with >40 was holy |
| 19:17.18 | Coren{de} | naturally the group fell apart quickly, as the vote-kick was bugged :> |
| 19:17.56 | Coren{de} | (yes, he had only one spec) |
| 19:18.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Coren{de}: a gear/talent check would be a good suggestion to make |
| 19:18.29 | NightHawkTheSane | to avoid that problem. |
| 19:18.53 | nevcairiel | it seems kinda hard to accurately check those on any valid score |
| 19:19.01 | nevcairiel | it checks item level |
| 19:19.07 | nevcairiel | but i can queue as tank in my heal gear |
| 19:19.16 | DWSR | nevcairiel: tbh. |
| 19:19.20 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: well, you can check to see if a person has a tank spec, and not alow them to queue as a tank if they dont |
| 19:19.21 | DWSR | It can't be that hard. |
| 19:19.25 | Coren{de} | as long as you have a tank set on you as well, and a tank sepc... |
| 19:19.25 | NightHawkTheSane | same with healing |
| 19:19.31 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: that's stupid. |
| 19:19.37 | Legorol | non-tank specs are perfeclty valid tanks in 5-mans |
| 19:19.45 | Legorol | I have tanked many instances in my time as fury or arms warrior. |
| 19:19.51 | nevcairiel | they are, just PUGs dont understand that :P |
| 19:19.52 | Lunessa | Haha.. Yesterday's bad guy on my WoW Year of Fear calendar was Instructor Razuvious - "Sweep the leg ... Do you have a problem with that?" |
| 19:19.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: true |
| 19:20.04 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: where do you draw the line, though |
| 19:20.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: but i dont think a holy pally that does't idiotically outgear the instance would work though |
| 19:20.21 | Legorol | ultimately, WoW can't enforce decision making on people |
| 19:20.27 | Legorol | you still have the option of kicking someone, so use it |
| 19:20.33 | Legorol | if you disagree with the choices they made |
| 19:20.37 | Coren{de} | Legorol, for a heroic instance I'd like the tank to be at least somewhat tank specced/geared |
| 19:20.53 | Legorol | NHTS: i agree that it won't work |
| 19:21.00 | Legorol | but that's not for WoW to enforce, it's for players |
| 19:21.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: meh, for some things you really CAN enforce it in code |
| 19:21.20 | Legorol | the LFD tool is only there to match people up based on their preferred roles, it's not their to police/enforce that |
| 19:21.29 | NightHawkTheSane | druids without a feral spec, pallies without a prot spec probably shouldn't be tanking, period. |
| 19:21.29 | Lunessa | Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We get it. You don't like it. Go make a bug report and suggestion. |
| 19:21.39 | Legorol | NHTS: define feral spec. How many points? |
| 19:21.49 | Coren{de} | crit-immune? |
| 19:21.51 | DWSR | >40 |
| 19:21.53 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 19:21.54 | Legorol | 41 out of 40? |
| 19:22.12 | Legorol | are 41 points really a useful feral spec? |
| 19:22.15 | DWSR | Look for "key" tanking talents, like the feral crit-immunity ones. |
| 19:22.16 | Legorol | what if it's spent in a stupid way? |
| 19:22.28 | DWSR | Legorol: We're not saying shit like that won't happen. |
| 19:22.32 | Legorol | DWSR: that may be a key talent in many people's opinion, but would you exclude a druid who doens't have it? |
| 19:22.37 | DWSR | yes. |
| 19:22.38 | Legorol | crit immunity is not critical in a 5-man |
| 19:22.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: there aren't enough stupid ways to spend 40+ points in a feral tree, and like you said, it's not to be a foolproof system |
| 19:22.49 | Legorol | also, you can do it with resilience instead |
| 19:22.56 | Legorol | would you exclude a feral dps druid in pvp gear? |
| 19:22.57 | Coren{de} | 5-man hero, I demand it, but I might be just an ass, so... |
| 19:22.58 | Stanzilla | is there any way to do this better? /run for b=0,4 do for s=1,22 do l=GetContainerItemLink(b,s)if(l and GetItemInfo(l):find("Reckoning"))then PickupContainerItem(b,s)EquipCursorItem(17)end end end |
| 19:22.59 | Legorol | who is a very viable tank |
| 19:22.59 | NightHawkTheSane | but to avoid the EASILY avoidable problem of chickens/trees queing up as tanks |
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| 19:23.19 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 19:23.26 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: that won't happen often, and if it does, kick 'em |
| 19:23.35 | DWSR | Legorol: It will happen, because people WANT A group |
| 19:23.38 | Coren{de} | Lunessa, I wrote lots of suggestions already, don't worry :p |
| 19:23.47 | DWSR | Legorol: We're not asking for foolproof. |
| 19:23.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: but my point is that it's an EASILY checkable condition. and avoids the issues of having to kick someone. no reason not to do it |
| 19:23.49 | DWSR | We're asking for better. |
| 19:24.09 | Lunessa | Now you're just exercising your universal right to bitch until everyone else is sick of it? |
| 19:24.12 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: what the hell |
| 19:24.29 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: good eh? :P |
| 19:24.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: and yes, I do plan on suggesting this when I have access to wow next. ;) |
| 19:24.42 | NightHawkTheSane | is at work atm, so.. |
| 19:24.48 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: why are you searching your bags for your weapon? |
| 19:24.50 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: yes there is good reason, which is that a balance druid in feral tank gear who outgears the place is a very viable tank. |
| 19:24.57 | Lunessa | Good. 'cause it's not like most of us in here can make a change. |
| 19:25.12 | Legorol | I am of the opinion that the tool shouldn't restrict you doing the difficult things, only the impossible ones. |
| 19:25.15 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: 2 weapons with teh same name and enchant, macro for equipping them |
| 19:25.16 | Legorol | So don't let a DK queue as healer. |
| 19:25.22 | Legorol | But a paladin/druid is fair game for every role |
| 19:25.26 | DWSR | No. |
| 19:25.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: Their loss, if they really want to tank as balance they can put together their own group :P |
| 19:25.34 | Legorol | Also, here is a big issue with talent check: |
| 19:25.37 | NightHawkTheSane | they're probably good enough to |
| 19:25.38 | Legorol | what if someone doesn't have dual spec? |
| 19:25.40 | DWSR | Because a ret paladin in holy gear can't heal a heroic. |
| 19:25.47 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: warrior? |
| 19:25.47 | Legorol | they are currently on their dps spec, and when the group is ready, they go and respec |
| 19:25.50 | DWSR | Legorol: Then fuck em. Cheap bastards. You can make 1000g easymode. |
| 19:25.50 | Legorol | how do you fix that? |
| 19:26.01 | Legorol | DWSR: that's a stupid argument and you know it |
| 19:26.10 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: yes |
| 19:26.12 | kdtresh | i could heal heroics as ret in holy gear |
| 19:26.13 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: why don't you just use /equipslot 16/17? |
| 19:26.14 | DWSR | Legorol: No it's not. You can make 1000g doing dailies no problem, and that requires MAYBE an hour a day. |
| 19:26.17 | Legorol | you are saying that people without dual spec are effectively not entitled to perform roles they could in theory respec to |
| 19:26.24 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: doesnt work with the same name/enchant |
| 19:26.26 | Legorol | you can't exclude people from 5-mans because of that |
| 19:26.28 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: don't tell me that swaps the one you already have equipped to the other slot |
| 19:26.34 | Stanzilla | it does |
| 19:26.45 | Gnarfoz | whoever thought that was the intelligent thing to do |
| 19:26.59 | Gnarfoz | I should test with my 2 icefall blades |
| 19:27.01 | Gnarfoz | later |
| 19:27.02 | Stanzilla | it's annoying as hell |
| 19:27.10 | nevcairiel | yeah like Legorol says, people could respec and have gear in the bank .. should it check all that too? alot of data to process and sync around |
| 19:27.12 | Stanzilla | because that run script lags |
| 19:27.18 | Stanzilla | like hell |
| 19:27.20 | DWSR | Legorol: Then Blizzard should build in something that removes people from queue when they hit the talent trainer and respec. |
| 19:27.31 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: quite obviously, yeah |
| 19:27.41 | DWSR | nevcairiel: It should check specs and gear ilvl. |
| 19:27.53 | nevcairiel | DWSR: thats even stupider, so i cant farm in dps spec until i find a group, hearth, respec, go dungeon? |
| 19:28.09 | nevcairiel | thats silly. |
| 19:28.09 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: not sure, but does /equip item: maybe take a full itemid? |
| 19:28.09 | Gnarfoz | instead of just the 5-digit one |
| 19:28.09 | DWSR | nevcairiel: You honestly respec every time you do a heroic? |
| 19:28.15 | DWSR | Because that's the really stupid thing. |
| 19:28.38 | DWSR | 1000g one time vs. >100g every time you respec. Who's stupid now? |
| 19:28.43 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: is still the same. would be different with a different enchant |
| 19:28.48 | foxlit | I think most of those are non-issues. |
| 19:28.50 | Coren{de} | isn't it 50g per respec? |
| 19:28.54 | DWSR | Coren{de}: Glyphs. |
| 19:28.55 | foxlit | Especially since they claim matchmaking is instant. |
| 19:29.19 | DWSR | Coren{de}: Every time I respec my lock, it's 50g for the respec, plus another 30g for each glyph. |
| 19:29.22 | nevcairiel | DWSR: I don't have to respec only for the heroic, but i could still be in dps spec from a farming session and want to heal an instance |
| 19:29.26 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: hm? I meant the itemlink string that contains the item's unique ID (or does that not exist for non-random items) |
| 19:29.35 | DWSR | nevcairiel: then you shouldn't be able to do it without a resto spec. |
| 19:29.36 | Coren{de} | it's fairly quick on PTR, which is why I'd immediately kick someone who'd say "give me 5m to go respec" :p |
| 19:29.45 | nevcairiel | DWSR: thats stupid :P |
| 19:29.50 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Why? |
| 19:29.53 | nevcairiel | because i can respec |
| 19:29.56 | DWSR | So? |
| 19:29.58 | DWSR | Do it then. |
| 19:30.02 | DWSR | Show me that you want to heal. |
| 19:30.13 | nevcairiel | meh, i'm just going to ignore you |
| 19:30.13 | DWSR | The game doesn't know or care that you can respec, it cares what you are RIGHT NOW. |
| 19:30.24 | nevcairiel | it doesnt, and it shouldnt |
| 19:30.24 | Legorol | the fact that nevcairiel ticked teh "Heal" option means he wants to heal |
| 19:30.25 | Legorol | end of |
| 19:30.27 | DWSR | And if that changes, then the game will re match you |
| 19:30.27 | nevcairiel | the game agrees wit hme |
| 19:30.28 | Legorol | WoW shouldn't care any more than that |
| 19:30.51 | DWSR | Legorol: If you want to take your arguments to an extreme, why can't I as a warlock heal? I have bandages. |
| 19:30.57 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: I can test. how do I get it? |
| 19:31.08 | Coren{de} | or tank, you got a blueberry to tank! |
| 19:31.11 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 19:31.12 | Coren{de} | which you can heal! |
| 19:31.13 | Legorol | DWSR: because that's not a viable or realistic solution. |
| 19:31.13 | DWSR | Or a Feltard. |
| 19:31.23 | Legorol | whereas healing as ret, or tanking as boomkin *are* viable solutions |
| 19:31.27 | nevcairiel | Can other classes sign up as a role they cant play? |
| 19:31.28 | DWSR | No they're not. |
| 19:31.33 | nevcairiel | Ive only tested on my druid :P |
| 19:31.38 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: should be part of what GetContainerItemLink returns... or the GetItemInfo thing |
| 19:31.39 | Coren{de} | you only wanted to include *impossible* choices... blueberry tanking is possible |
| 19:31.40 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: no |
| 19:31.40 | Legorol | nevcairiel: no they can't |
| 19:31.41 | foxlit | Tanking as moonkin would be silly. |
| 19:31.46 | Legorol | foxlit: not at all |
| 19:31.48 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: I'll check in game later, I'm just guessing here, right now |
| 19:31.49 | foxlit | There's no (?) defense leather. |
| 19:31.52 | Legorol | put on pvp feral gear and you are good to go |
| 19:31.58 | nevcairiel | foxlit: meh a simple 5man is np |
| 19:32.03 | DWSR | Legorol: Right, but then your threat blows. |
| 19:32.08 | Legorol | so? |
| 19:32.08 | DWSR | and you have lower HP. |
| 19:32.13 | nevcairiel | everyone can tank a 5man non-heroic |
| 19:32.15 | Legorol | these kind of decisions are for the players to make, not the game |
| 19:32.20 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: I tried GetInventoryItemID and that only gets me the 5 digit thing |
| 19:32.26 | DWSR | Legorol: OK, so why can't I sign up as a tank as a warlock then? I have a blueberry/feltard. |
| 19:32.26 | Aelo | Legorol: thanks, i just lost the game |
| 19:32.41 | foxlit | Legorol: you, as a player, can make those decisions if you want to. |
| 19:32.41 | Legorol | Aelo: lost what? :D |
| 19:32.48 | Legorol | exactly, foxlit |
| 19:32.51 | foxlit | The game does not allow you to inflict them upon unsuspecting strangers. |
| 19:32.54 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 19:32.55 | Aelo | the game, nvm :P |
| 19:32.57 | foxlit | Which is a good thing. |
| 19:33.01 | Fisker | slaps foxlit around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:33.05 | DWSR | foxlit: atm, though, it does. |
| 19:33.06 | Legorol | foxlit: i'm saying the same thing |
| 19:33.06 | Arrowmaster | epic kill http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cudCajMNRM0 |
| 19:33.20 | Legorol | foxlit: the game will allow any druid to queue for any role, regardless of their spec/gear |
| 19:33.24 | Legorol | and that's a good thing |
| 19:33.25 | DWSR | It shouldn't. |
| 19:33.35 | DWSR | Take a look at specs, and decide from there. |
| 19:33.43 | DWSR | People spec'ed 56 points into feral don't heal. Period. |
| 19:33.46 | Legorol | DWSR: the problem is that your opinion of what's acceptable and what isn't will differ from other people |
| 19:33.52 | NightHawkTheSane | I think there's valid points on both sides. *shrug* |
| 19:33.55 | Legorol | and therefore any line you draw would be arbitrary |
| 19:33.57 | nevcairiel | I can tank a 5man in bear form being resto spec no problem |
| 19:34.03 | nevcairiel | done it before |
| 19:34.04 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 19:34.05 | foxlit | What it currently does isn't interesting, since you currently matchmake your own groups, and there's no penalty for backing out. |
| 19:34.20 | DWSR | nevcairiel: I can feltard tank a heroic, but the game won't let me sign up as a tank. That's not fair. |
| 19:34.20 | foxlit | The standards change when you're put in a group you have virtually no control over. |
| 19:34.35 | nevcairiel | DWSR: well quit then, its good for all of us |
| 19:34.40 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: and the penalty for backing out can make it annoying |
| 19:34.48 | Coren{de} | Legorol, as punishment for your stubbernness you're now to do <current dungeon with lots of group healing> 10 times with a feral specced druid as healer |
| 19:34.53 | DWSR | nevcairiel: lol, no. I'm dragging you down with me. |
| 19:35.01 | nevcairiel | I already quit playing |
| 19:35.06 | Legorol | lol Coren{de} |
| 19:35.07 | DWSR | lol then why are you here? |
| 19:35.07 | nevcairiel | nothing to drag me down to :P |
| 19:35.20 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: indeed. |
| 19:35.25 | nevcairiel | its not a players chat |
| 19:35.32 | foxlit | So, imo, it should impose a reasonable sanity check on what you're able to do. |
| 19:35.38 | DWSR | ^ |
| 19:35.41 | nevcairiel | It does |
| 19:35.43 | Fisker | slaps nevcairiel around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:35.45 | foxlit | Whether checking your spec is reasonable or not is somewhat complicated. |
| 19:35.46 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: which, really, is most of my concern. no control & deserter could lead to unfortunate situations |
| 19:35.51 | nevcairiel | It doesnt let a priest sign up as tank |
| 19:35.58 | DWSR | foxlit: imo, it's not really. |
| 19:36.00 | nevcairiel | --> danity |
| 19:36.01 | batbot | nevcairiel: > nil |
| 19:36.02 | nevcairiel | *sanity |
| 19:36.21 | DWSR | foxlit: People with +40 points in a tree can do it effectively. |
| 19:36.31 | Aelo | Arrowmaster: epic |
| 19:36.32 | DWSR | People who are feral/resto hybrids, for example, can USUALLY tank. |
| 19:36.39 | DWSR | People who are 56 points into resto cannot. |
| 19:36.42 | Legorol | DWSR: the problem is, you are overvaluing the role of talents |
| 19:36.50 | Legorol | Base class abilities are much more important for roles |
| 19:37.07 | Ginji | These are heroics, not hard modes |
| 19:37.19 | foxlit | DWSR: you run into corner cases, unfortunately. |
| 19:37.44 | DWSR | Ginji: So I say again,why can I not sign up to pet tank as a warlock? |
| 19:37.46 | DWSR | It's possible. |
| 19:37.51 | Legorol | the bottom line: the game doesn't *require* you to be of particular spec to use your base class abilities, hence it shouldn't require that spec for performing that role in a group |
| 19:37.59 | Legorol | otherwise it's inconsistent |
| 19:38.09 | Coren{de} | foxlit, it doesn't have to be that rough, it can give some leeway for Leeroys and Legorols :> |
| 19:38.23 | DWSR | foxlit: we're not asking for in depth talent checks. |
| 19:38.33 | Ginji | Because you're not a tank as a warlock |
| 19:38.35 | DWSR | We're asking for something to stop people who are 56 points in resto tanking for me. |
| 19:38.38 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: i might go so far as to even say 30+ points in a tree is "good enough" |
| 19:38.45 | Ginji | The fact that you can in some cases doesn't mean you should |
| 19:38.45 | DWSR | Ginji: Why not? My blueberry has ~30k HP unbuffed in my PvP gear. |
| 19:38.51 | DWSR | Ginji: Exactly. |
| 19:39.06 | nevcairiel | only 30k? we had the blue with alot more tanking sartharion =P |
| 19:39.17 | DWSR | nevcairiel: They nerfed blueberry health since then. |
| 19:39.27 | DWSR | Also, people BB tanking sarth stam stacked and had the glyph. |
| 19:39.30 | Legorol | DWSR: hp is not what it takes to tank |
| 19:39.32 | Legorol | being able to hold threat is |
| 19:39.35 | Legorol | which a blueberry can't |
| 19:39.41 | DWSR | Legorol: I dunno, works fine when I use him to tank. |
| 19:39.48 | Legorol | when you solo? |
| 19:39.48 | foxlit | Most heroic bosses aren't on hard enrage timers. |
| 19:39.50 | Ginji | And back then ToTT still worked on pets |
| 19:39.55 | DWSR | Legorol: No, I've tanked heroics with a BB. |
| 19:40.02 | Legorol | then your dps was slacking :P |
| 19:40.07 | DWSR | Legorol: Additionally, what about a feltard? |
| 19:40.15 | foxlit | But I'm not sure why you're objecting to resto druids tanking but not moonkins tanking. |
| 19:40.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: its not slacking if they adjust around the BB |
| 19:40.33 | Shirik | http://thedailywtf.com/#Pic1 |
| 19:40.34 | DWSR | foxlit: Same argument. |
| 19:40.48 | Shirik | the dollar has dropped in price significantly |
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| 19:40.58 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: i think he was just using resto as an example |
| 19:40.58 | DWSR | lol |
| 19:41.07 | NightHawkTheSane | not to imply that moonkins can tank, but resto can't |
| 19:41.12 | Legorol | DWSR: ok i guess the main issue is: why are you trying to prevent people with the wrong spec performing those roles? |
| 19:41.21 | Legorol | it's suboptimal, but not unreasonable |
| 19:41.22 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: its good enough for 5man non-heroic, tbh |
| 19:41.29 | nevcairiel | (resto tanking) |
| 19:41.39 | DWSR | Legorol: Why does the game not let me tank with a feltard/voidwalker? It's suboptimal, but not unreasonable. |
| 19:41.40 | nevcairiel | been there, done that |
| 19:41.44 | foxlit | Legorol: it's unreasonable for people looking for a quick heroic run to be subjected to non-standard tank/healer choices. |
| 19:41.51 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 19:41.53 | foxlit | It doesn't improve *their* experience. |
| 19:42.06 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: if you have the gear to support it, perhaps. I really wouldn't go so far to say that for large-scale cross-realm-wide though |
| 19:42.18 | Legorol | foxlit: that comes back to a much broader issue actually |
| 19:42.23 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: i guess gear plays its part |
| 19:42.31 | Legorol | should a heroic 5-man pug matchmaker try and ensure a smooth farm run, |
| 19:42.39 | Legorol | or should it allow mixing people in whose gear level is just good enough for the run? |
| 19:42.42 | DWSR | Legorol: If you want to do your suboptimal tanking/healing with a guild group or a group that knows you, fine. Putting that on unsuspecting strangers is an entirely seperate matter. |
| 19:42.43 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: i mean, if you want to resto tank an instance with a group of your friends/guildies who know you can do it, and are prepared for the differences, more power to you. rock on :) |
| 19:42.46 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: its much more enjoyable for the druid doing it in proper spec :D |
| 19:42.50 | Legorol | in other words: what's the purpose of the matchmaker |
| 19:42.59 | Legorol | to make a group that can *smoothly* farm it without effort, or |
| 19:43.00 | Coren{de} | Legorol, if people know wtf they are doing, I could live with it. But in pugging you meet lots of people who have barely any clue, so I don't want to wipe endlessly just because an owl wants to play bear but not spec it. |
| 19:43.10 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: but like foxlit said, when we're talking about the essentially unwashed masses, its not quite as good an idea arguably |
| 19:43.14 | Legorol | to make a group that *can* clear it, but it potentially being the challenge (as it would be for fresh 80s) |
| 19:43.30 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: no its not, but i wouldnt like a "spec check", since as said, people can simply respec <.< |
| 19:43.31 | Legorol | Coren{de}: it's a broader issue than that |
| 19:43.32 | DWSR | Legorol: what everyone above said. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should. |
| 19:43.44 | Legorol | DWSR: that depends on what the aim is with the matchmaker |
| 19:43.48 | Legorol | if the aim is to aid farming, then sure |
| 19:43.51 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: *nod* yeah, i see your point there. I'm a little on the fence in that regard |
| 19:43.54 | Legorol | if the aim is to make groups that can finish it, then on |
| 19:43.55 | Legorol | *no |
| 19:44.04 | Legorol | if you want to farm, make a guild group |
| 19:44.09 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: Because yes, you CAN respec. but how do we know you're going to? |
| 19:44.10 | DWSR | Legorol: I think it's somewhere in the middle. Hence the buffs and such. |
| 19:44.12 | Legorol | heroics are not just there for the emblem farming runs |
| 19:44.18 | DWSR | Legorol: Yes, they are. |
| 19:44.20 | Legorol | they are also there for the fresh 80s to gear up, as originally intended |
| 19:44.34 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: if some druid shows up in owl spec designated to tank, you kickvote him out? :) |
| 19:44.34 | Coren{de} | Legorol, if I play with people I know (and I know they know what they do), we try those weird things *for fun* (moonkin tanking as moonkin was really fun :D), but I just think for pugging it's the wrong path. |
| 19:44.37 | DWSR | Legorol: Gear is totally incidental. You farm emblems so you can buy your welfare epic badge gear. |
| 19:44.40 | Legorol | DWSR: so are you trying to exclude fresh 80s (in adequate blue gear) from the matchmaker as well? |
| 19:44.48 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: the number if people doing that is probably slim, anyway |
| 19:44.58 | foxlit | Legorol: I'd group them with each other, tbh. |
| 19:44.59 | DWSR | Legorol: Not at all. I'm trying to exclude fresh 80s who are spec'ed into a non-tank role from tanking, and so forth. |
| 19:45.00 | nevcairiel | s/if/of/ |
| 19:45.04 | Legorol | Coren{de}: the problem is that what you are advocating is for the matchmaking tool to enforce the social stigma |
| 19:45.05 | foxlit | That minimizes the amount of frustration on all sides. |
| 19:45.06 | Legorol | which is bad imo |
| 19:45.11 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: I would say the number of people doing that is about as slim as the number of people who can competently perform a role out of spec. |
| 19:45.30 | Legorol | sorry, exciting discussion but i have to go |
| 19:45.32 | Legorol | catch you later |
| 19:45.39 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: and arguably somewhat close to the number of people who are willing to respec to fill a different role. |
| 19:45.48 | Coren{de} | Huh? Social stigma? You lost me somewhere... |
| 19:45.52 | DWSR | ^^ |
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| 19:45.55 | nevcairiel | remember that the same system is for Raids as well |
| 19:46.07 | Aelo | http://lab.andre-michelle.com/tonematrix can't...stop... |
| 19:46.07 | foxlit | Random matchmaking? I thought not. |
| 19:46.10 | DWSR | there's nothing wrong with vastly outgearing an instance and performing a role while being not spec'ed for it. |
| 19:46.10 | Legorol | it's not, nevcairiel |
| 19:46.12 | olafski | it's not :P |
| 19:46.14 | Legorol | LFR is totally separate |
| 19:46.14 | DWSR | Do it in a guild group. Sorry. |
| 19:46.15 | Coren{de} | LFR is different, it's same server and you see the groups. |
| 19:46.30 | Coren{de} | LFR is kinda like the "old" LFG |
| 19:46.38 | nevcairiel | mm i mustve tested it quite a while ago |
| 19:46.40 | nevcairiel | it seemed similar |
| 19:46.43 | DWSR | Aelo: That's awesome. |
| 19:46.57 | Coren{de} | only that it allows to queue for more than 3 things (only raids though...) |
| 19:47.12 | nevcairiel | It still lets you queue up for any role you want, without spec check |
| 19:47.23 | olafski | I have kind of missed the discussion.. but can anyone tell me why my (uld10 and conquest emblem geared) DK is "not eligible" to pug icc 5mans and totc5 (both heroic and normal)? |
| 19:47.28 | DWSR | Aelo: can you get it to convert that into a midi? |
| 19:47.36 | Coren{de} | LFD has no "group preview" of any kind |
| 19:47.40 | Aelo | dont think so, but you can copy/paste |
| 19:47.59 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: I guess, to bottom line it, if you were a fresh, or near-fresh 80 using the LFD tool, would you rather be sure that the people you're grouped with have a reasonably good chance of performing the roles they signed up with, or allow for the relatively slim chance that the holy pally actually has the gear, and knows how to tank as holy? |
| 19:48.07 | Coren{de} | Olafski, the 5-mans have to be done in order, you can't enter the third unless you completed the first and the second |
| 19:48.25 | olafski | I can't pug _any_ of them |
| 19:48.32 | NightHawkTheSane | (or is willing to respec) |
| 19:48.39 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane: fresh 80 and in the need for PUGs? i would hope for any group i can catch |
| 19:49.05 | Aelo | i thought it tried to match similiar gear level players into the same groups |
| 19:49.07 | nevcairiel | luckily i never really required PUGs yet |
| 19:49.08 | Aelo | so fresh 80s with fersh 80s |
| 19:49.11 | olafski | coren{de}: I can't even enter lfg for totc5 normal.. in avg ~220 ilvl gear |
| 19:49.15 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: i guess we differ there then :) |
| 19:49.42 | olafski | aelo: yes it does try to do that |
| 19:49.44 | Thunder_Child | olafski, is totc5 even enabled on the ptr? |
| 19:50.15 | olafski | thunder_child: I dunno :) |
| 19:50.15 | nevcairiel | why wouldnt it be? |
| 19:50.15 | Coren{de} | Olafski, no clue about totc, and I think the tooltip is pretty vague, so you're on your own quest to find out what's the issue :D |
| 19:50.16 | olafski | thunder_child: I just checked the list, totc5 and _all_ icc 5mans were greyed out for me |
| 19:50.16 | nevcairiel | they usually dont turn off old instances |
| 19:50.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Aelo: i imagine it tries, but i would hope it would form a group rather than keep people apart because of gear differences. |
| 19:50.36 | Thunder_Child | olafski, then put in a bug report |
| 19:50.42 | olafski | yeah think I will |
| 19:50.47 | olafski | gonna try now on my paladin, see if it works there |
| 19:50.48 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, thats correct |
| 19:50.49 | NightHawkTheSane | no point in saying "gee, i have 4 lesser geared folks, and one hella-geared healer, i guess i can't put them together." |
| 19:50.52 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: there are some cases you wouldn't want to group extremes together. |
| 19:51.10 | Thunder_Child | it does, but only "within a reasonable ammount of time" |
| 19:51.14 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: some, yes, but no more ethan the cases where the extremes wouldn't matter |
| 19:51.24 | foxlit | Probably less. |
| 19:51.54 | olafski | same happens on my paladin |
| 19:52.04 | olafski | how do I file a feedback/bug report again? I typed /feedback, thought that was it.. :) |
| 19:52.16 | Coren{de} | "B" button on minimap |
| 19:52.17 | NightHawkTheSane | olafski: out of curiosity, what gear level? |
| 19:52.24 | DWSR | http://i33.tinypic.com/5mwz9f.jpg <-- What do I put in the big empty space at the top-right? |
| 19:52.31 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, he said already |
| 19:52.35 | olafski | nighthawkthesane: my DK has on average about 220 ilvl in his dps spec |
| 19:52.38 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, must have missed that |
| 19:52.44 | olafski | 211.25 on my paladin in tank gear |
| 19:52.54 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, *shrug* file a bug? :P |
| 19:53.01 | olafski | 33k hp unbuffed (I'm one of those insane "I don't gem stamina" people ;)) |
| 19:53.08 | olafski | yeah I'm looking for that option now |
| 19:53.27 | NightHawkTheSane | out of cuiosity, what do you gem? |
| 19:53.30 | olafski | avoidance |
| 19:53.54 | olafski | def/sta, parry/sta generally |
| 19:54.04 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, this might help some http://blue.mmo-champion.com/13/20677672386-lfg-tool-and-dual-spec.html |
| 19:54.09 | NightHawkTheSane | why parry? i thought it was considered inferior to doge? |
| 19:54.10 | NightHawkTheSane | dodge* |
| 19:54.15 | olafski | why would it be? |
| 19:54.17 | Coren{de} | well, I'm a pre-made and my gear is mostly 239/245ish... maybe 220 is really not enough |
| 19:54.22 | foxlit | Diminishes faster. |
| 19:54.32 | foxlit | And parry-haste, but meh at quantifying that. |
| 19:54.34 | olafski | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Dragonblight&n=Skipaladin is my stuff |
| 19:54.42 | olafski | yeah parry haste is why I go for parry instead |
| 19:54.51 | NightHawkTheSane | i think the faster diminishing is largely why |
| 19:54.51 | Coren{de} | 245 but one ring 239, so average > 240 |
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| 19:54.56 | olafski | well and my dodge is higher so I went for parry ;) |
| 19:55.04 | Thunder_Child | The new system will now work to match at least one experienced player for the assigned dungeon with less experienced players in the group. It will more carefully match class types, and will more consistently match players of equal levels for the dungeon chosen. The interface will also allow players to see how many players are looking for groups as well as the average wait time of groups that the tool has formed." |
| 19:55.15 | olafski | nighthawkthesane: less dodge rating is required for 1% dodge, too |
| 19:55.37 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: on a totally different angle, I want a rating system for the people I grouped with. |
| 19:55.39 | NightHawkTheSane | olafski: i thought they changed that? |
| 19:55.42 | NightHawkTheSane | i could be wrong |
| 19:55.45 | olafski | oh |
| 19:55.48 | Coren{de} | foxlit: Karma :p |
| 19:55.49 | olafski | I checked a few weeks ago I think |
| 19:55.50 | foxlit | Along with a trust-web sort of approach to inheriting from other people's experience. |
| 19:55.55 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, so make one |
| 19:55.59 | NightHawkTheSane | honestly, i haven't done any serious tank theorycrafting in a good while |
| 19:56.00 | foxlit | That'd then subsequently be used to matchmake me. |
| 19:56.02 | NightHawkTheSane | so i might be off |
| 19:56.04 | Thunder_Child | ah, i dont like that part |
| 19:56.08 | Aelo | DWSR: still on it? :P |
| 19:56.09 | olafski | I don't theorycraft at all ;) |
| 19:56.25 | olafski | anywho, that link thunder_child just posted says "Honestly though, we are really relaxed about how we use this restriction. It's basically in there to prevent newly minted 80s in quest greens from rolling into a heroic dungeon that is likely to kick their butt. " |
| 19:56.26 | DWSR | Aelo: No, not really. I have a full blown DAW, but I'm actually wondering if I can get that as a VST plugin. |
| 19:56.36 | olafski | surely ilvl 220 average should mean I get to go to normal 5mans ;) |
| 19:56.52 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, that shouldn't be an issue |
| 19:57.02 | olafski | I still haven't found the feedback button btw |
| 19:57.07 | olafski | anyone able to point me to it? :< |
| 19:57.08 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, i never want any rating system to use other peoples info unless everyone on the server had it |
| 19:57.12 | DWSR | http://i33.tinypic.com/5mwz9f.jpg <-- What do I put in the big empty space at the top-right? |
| 19:57.23 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: ? |
| 19:57.31 | Adys | ANYONE PLEASE HELP |
| 19:57.31 | Adys | Stuns the target for $44572d. Only usable on Frozen targets. Deals ${$m1*${$?s31678[${1.05}][${$?s31677[${1.04}][${$?s31676[${1.03}][${$?s31675[${1.02}][${$?s31674[${1.01}][${1}]}]}]}]}]*$?s12953[${1.06}][${$?s12952[${1.04}][${$?s11151[${1.02}][${1}]}]}]}} to ${$M1*${$?s31678[${1.05}][${$?s31677[${1.04}][${$?s31676[${1.03}][${$?s31675[${1.02}][${$?s31674[${1.01}][${1}]}]}]}]}]*$?s12953[${1.06}][${$?s12952[${1.04}][${$?s11151[${1.02}][${1}]}]}]}} damage |
| 19:57.31 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.41 | DWSR | what the fuck? |
| 19:57.44 | olafski | weird UI dwsr :P |
| 19:57.51 | Adys | thats the deep freeze expanded tooltip |
| 19:57.52 | DWSR | olafski: Indeed, that's why I like it. It's just fun\ |
| 19:57.54 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, what? |
| 19:57.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: I think he means that foxlit would rate people he groups with, and the matchmaking system would use HIS ratings to make further matches |
| 19:58.02 | olafski | dwsr: fun perhaps.. doesn't look very practical though |
| 19:58.10 | DWSR | olafski: Why not? |
| 19:58.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: ie, tending to avoid people he's rated poorly, and favoring people he rated highly |
| 19:58.18 | Seerah | DWSR: put your xraidstatus stuff there |
| 19:58.28 | Aelo | olafski: there's a physical version called a telori-on or somethingf |
| 19:58.30 | NightHawkTheSane | at least, thats what I gathered |
| 19:58.30 | olafski | dwsr: you have all your info at the top except your cooldowns, what's the reasoning behind that? |
| 19:58.30 | DWSR | Seerah: But what about when I'm party questiong? |
| 19:58.39 | olafski | aelo: wut? oO |
| 19:58.40 | DWSR | olafski: Bottom bar is long duration buffs, no cooldowns. |
| 19:58.41 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: I'm not sure what exactly you have such a strong reaction to (nor what requires the data to be available to everyone); please do clarify. |
| 19:58.48 | Seerah | DWSR: where do your party frames go? |
| 19:58.52 | olafski | dwsr: oh ok |
| 19:58.54 | Aelo | ooh nvm :P |
| 19:58.55 | DWSR | Seerah: Where the raid frames are. |
| 19:59.07 | olafski | aelo: if that was about the music thing, you read my mind :P |
| 19:59.38 | DWSR | Seerah: So XRS is a decent idea, but like...there's a lot of space there |
| 19:59.44 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: Omen goes there, of course :> |
| 19:59.45 | DWSR | I did have my chat frame there, but tabs. |
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| 19:59.50 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Omen goes where recount is |
| 20:00.09 | Seerah | maybe you should rethink your whole layout... but you could put tooltip up there, too |
| 20:00.14 | Gnarfoz | good call, damage meters do not need to be visible in fight |
| 20:00.28 | Gnarfoz | ewww, statically positioned tooltips :D |
| 20:00.29 | DWSR | Seerah: Looks bad. tooltip gets a lot longer |
| 20:00.35 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, were you talking about using other peoples rating info? |
| 20:00.38 | DWSR | Also, what Gnarfoz said |
| 20:00.47 | Thunder_Child | as well as your own? |
| 20:00.50 | Seerah | ewwww tooltip anchored to mouse |
| 20:00.52 | Seerah | pita |
| 20:00.55 | Seerah | :) |
| 20:01.00 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: I'd like to be able to denote people whose ratings I trust in addition to mine. |
| 20:01.23 | Gnarfoz | Adys: I see your Deep Freeze tooltip and raise you... well... a nice friday evening entertainment xD |
| 20:01.30 | DWSR | http://i33.tinypic.com/5mwz9f.jpg <-- What do I put in the big empty space at the top-right? |
| 20:01.34 | olafski | sooo.. does anyone know where I send a feedback request on the PTR? :$ |
| 20:01.34 | Ginji | I'd like Blizz to read my mind and choose people based on my current mood/amount of chocolate in range |
| 20:01.37 | foxlit | Sort of like "Bob is a sensible guy. He's grouped with Carol, and says she's okay. I'd probably like to group with Carol, too." |
| 20:02.03 | foxlit | In addition to "I've grouped with Dave, and Dave is awesome. Get me into a Dave group any time!" |
| 20:02.11 | Ginji | This isn't Facebook |
| 20:02.20 | DWSR | yes it is. |
| 20:02.27 | Gnarfoz | foxlit starts counting with B |
| 20:02.38 | Coren{de} | foxlit, the problem is "Bob is drunk tonite beyond reason because his girlfriend left him. He's grouped with Carol, but he's not woman-affine tonite and rates her to be bad." :> |
| 20:02.47 | Lunessa | Can LFD tool group me only with UBERleet players and hawt single chicks who like bald guys? 'Cause, like that's what I need. |
| 20:03.02 | Seerah | olafski: I thought someone already told you... the B button on the minimap. |
| 20:03.27 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: I was looking for the word "gal", but that search took too long. |
| 20:03.28 | Aelo | can you make the equivalent of frame templates using metatables? |
| 20:03.43 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: >:) |
| 20:03.49 | Coren{de} | foxlit, or "Bob is a fan of football team A, which lost today to football team B. Group mate Frank is a fan of team B... is Bob's rating of Frank fair?" ;) |
| 20:04.04 | DWSR | yes it is. |
| 20:04.10 | foxlit | Coren{de}: I guess the answer to those concerns is "If Bob is an ass who rates people randomly, I'm not trusting him" |
| 20:04.25 | Thunder_Child | everyone has their bad days foxlit |
| 20:05.10 | foxlit | Preferably at least some people exist who don't let it go out on their ratings :) |
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| 20:05.29 | durcyn | because what wow really needs is a reputation economy |
| 20:05.39 | durcyn | overthink more |
| 20:05.44 | Ginji | Oeh! We can start selling that in addition to arena points |
| 20:06.14 | foxlit | Meh, it already exists. |
| 20:06.19 | olafski | coren{de}: that could be solved with some karma system |
| 20:06.36 | foxlit | It's called the friends list, and I already use it to exclude morons and group with awesome people. |
| 20:06.38 | olafski | coren{de}: if bob rates frank very low but everybody else rates frank high, bob possibly has a personal grudge against him |
| 20:06.39 | phobix | Hey all, I am looking for an addon author who is well versed in the mailing aspect of addons. I am also wanting to pay said autohr a COPIOUS amount of either RL money or gold to make me athis addon, PM m if you are interested |
| 20:06.55 | olafski | wtf? |
| 20:06.57 | durcyn | phobix: fuck off |
| 20:07.01 | phobix | im srs |
| 20:07.08 | Ginji | SRS BZRNS! |
| 20:07.12 | phobix | ^ |
| 20:07.16 | phobix | =P |
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| 20:07.20 | foxlit | [On a larger scale, people use guilds and inherent reputations there to filter people in much the same way.] |
| 20:07.27 | Ginji | I don't like copied money tbh |
| 20:07.34 | DWSR | phobix: Paying them gold would be a RMT. That's against Blizz ToU. |
| 20:07.34 | olafski | coren{de}: and/or, if someone regularly rates people at much different ratings than average, give his votes less weight |
| 20:07.40 | DWSR | SO GTFO KTHX. :) |
| 20:07.54 | Ginji | DWSR: he's talking about RL gold |
| 20:07.58 | Ginji | not ingame currency |
| 20:07.59 | phobix | ya ay, ok, lots of things are against ToU |
| 20:08.08 | phobix | doesnt mean people dont do them everyday |
| 20:08.17 | Thunder_Child | olafski, what if he has a different idea of what is a good group member |
| 20:08.21 | Ginji | "RL money or gold" so, RL money, or RL gold |
| 20:08.22 | DWSR | phobix: If someone jumped off a bridge, would you? |
| 20:08.27 | Ginji | So, are we talking kilograms here? |
| 20:08.30 | Thunder_Child | not in here they dont phobix |
| 20:08.33 | olafski | thunder_child: what about it? :) |
| 20:08.47 | olafski | thunder_child: if he has a much different view from most people his voice shouldn't be counted so much anyway in such a system |
| 20:10.09 | DWSR | olafski: We call those people outliers. |
| 20:10.12 | olafski | yes |
| 20:10.18 | olafski | well whatever you call them :P |
| 20:10.23 | Ginji | Is that the new word for casuals? |
| 20:10.32 | DWSR | Statistically speaking, outliers. :P |
| 20:10.35 | olafski | I believe such systems already exist, for instance some dutch tech site I sometimes visit uses something like it |
| 20:10.38 | Thunder_Child | olafski: Player A is a great player knows all the fights and can follow orders. Player A is also a huge asshole. now a few people would vote that person down because of it, but not most people. |
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| 20:10.47 | foxlit | One would actually think that "hardcore" raiders are in the minority. |
| 20:10.56 | DWSR | We are. |
| 20:11.09 | Thunder_Child | that means the people that vote that person down would have their weights lowered |
| 20:11.21 | Coren{de} | TC, a good karma system has multiple metrics for social behaviour, skill and gear :) |
| 20:11.26 | foxlit | Doing this globally is silly |
| 20:11.58 | Ginji | I would have wasted all my karma points anyway, doing things like changing everyones guild note to "I'd hit that" |
| 20:12.22 | foxlit | But hey, take away negative ratings |
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| 20:12.47 | foxlit | Just a binary "recommend / not recommend" flag would do; it's up to you whose recommendations you subscribe you. |
| 20:12.53 | foxlit | s/you./to/ |
| 20:13.38 | DWSR | http://i33.tinypic.com/5mwz9f.jpg <-- What do I put in the big empty space at the top-right? |
| 20:13.44 | foxlit | Give a slight preference to people who you are recommending / are recommended by people you're subscribed to -- not enough to effectively lock you in a clique, but enough to ensure that you see familiar faces once in a while, and it seems like there are no drawbacks. |
| 20:13.52 | Ginji | DWSR: random image of the day |
| 20:13.57 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: your mom. |
| 20:14.04 | durcyn | foxlit: have you ever read Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom? |
| 20:14.11 | foxlit | durcyn: No. |
| 20:14.37 | durcyn | it's a Doctorow short story about a future with a reputation economy. i found it quite interesting. |
| 20:14.45 | durcyn | should be freely available on craphound |
| 20:14.47 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, you should keep general chat up there and have the other 2 chat windows for raid/group/party/guild/whispers |
| 20:15.00 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Tabs. IT used to be there, but that's why I moved it. |
| 20:15.15 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, just general stuff, no tabs |
| 20:15.16 | DWSR | Can't stand small chat windows. |
| 20:15.41 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: Right, but even a single window has a tab on it. I can't move the tab up off the screen. |
| 20:15.52 | olafski | thunder_child: that still should not be a problem |
| 20:15.53 | DWSR | There's something in the Lua that knocks it back down |
| 20:15.56 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, but you can remove it |
| 20:16.06 | DWSR | If you want to show me how, that'd be fine and dandy. |
| 20:16.14 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, prat does it |
| 20:16.18 | Thunder_Child | or rather, can do it |
| 20:16.20 | DWSR | T_C: No, it doesn't. |
| 20:16.20 | olafski | thunder_child: they might get their votes lowered a bit, but I think over all most people agree if someone is nice to play with or not |
| 20:16.35 | Lunessa | durcyn: Check out Kiln People by David Brinn. |
| 20:17.18 | DWSR | T_C: Ah, nvm. I figured it out. It didn't do what I was expecting, but does sorta do what I want. |
| 20:17.23 | DWSR | T_C: How can I lock a chat frame? |
| 20:17.46 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, *shrug* there might be a / command way of doing it |
| 20:18.31 | DWSR | ~api chatframe |
| 20:18.32 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_chatframe |
| 20:18.33 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: look up what the lock frame command in the tab right-click menu does? |
| 20:18.43 | DWSR | NHTS: I'm a total noob for addon development. |
| 20:18.46 | DWSR | How might I do *that*? |
| 20:18.58 | Lunessa | right-click, lock frame |
| 20:19.10 | DWSR | Lunessa: I removed the tab. |
| 20:19.26 | olafski | dang why did coren leave :P |
| 20:19.27 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: well, i might sift through framexml on wowcompares and find that bit of code, and see what it does. |
| 20:19.43 | Lunessa | Oh, well... you're fucked. ... Seriously though in ChatFrame.lua - |
| 20:19.48 | Ginji | DWSR: How about you lock the frame in place, then remove the tab? |
| 20:19.54 | durcyn | Lunessa: why |
| 20:20.14 | DWSR | Ginji: That doesn't allow me to put the frame right up against the top edge of the screen, which is the desired functionality. |
| 20:20.25 | Lunessa | durcyn: it has reputation and full public monitoring as key factors in the story. |
| 20:20.41 | airtonix | DWSR, dash is good |
| 20:20.41 | Lunessa | durcyn: I thought you might find it interesting. |
| 20:20.47 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, you might be able to use fluidframes or the sort to move it |
| 20:20.53 | Thunder_Child | even after it's locked |
| 20:20.56 | foxlit | It's not ChatFrame.lua |
| 20:20.59 | airtonix | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info7391.html |
| 20:21.08 | foxlit | That's all the core implementation, you don't want to read /that/. |
| 20:21.16 | airtonix | i used dash to hide chatframe tabs |
| 20:21.19 | foxlit | What you're looking for is called floating chat frames. |
| 20:21.28 | DWSR | Oh shit airtonix |
| 20:21.37 | DWSR | I've been looking for something like that for ar while. |
| 20:21.54 | airtonix | yeah moved all non essential stuff i don't need in the next 20min into the dash layer |
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| 20:21.58 | foxlit | A much more manageable 1.5k lines. |
| 20:21.58 | Thunder_Child | note that it's also outdated |
| 20:22.05 | durcyn | Lunessa: according to this amazon listing, he wrote The Postman. This gives me pause. |
| 20:22.05 | airtonix | it still works |
| 20:22.06 | DWSR | Oh, god yeah. |
| 20:22.28 | Lunessa | The movie = teh suk; the novel was good |
| 20:22.42 | olafski | airtonix: do the dashboard things slide into the screen? :D |
| 20:22.43 | DWSR | Can only ChatFrame1 have multiple tabs? |
| 20:22.52 | airtonix | olafski, no only fade in |
| 20:22.55 | olafski | damn |
| 20:23.01 | Lunessa | durcyn: He also wrote the Uplift novels, and a novel called Earth that was pretty good, and "the Practice Effect" |
| 20:25.14 | olafski | the icc instance portals are above the raid portal and to the left/right.. right? |
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| 20:31.24 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byCG-eGYgyo&feature=popt00us05 |
| 20:38.56 | foxlit | youtube is clearly an outlet for the crazy. |
| 20:39.31 | zenzelezz | foxlit: that is brand new information! |
| 20:39.36 | foxlit | Needs a "THIS IS LUNACY. DON'T SHOW ME ANY MORE OF THIS" button |
| 20:39.50 | foxlit | "Recommended for you" after that video is just... meh. |
| 20:43.35 | Lunessa | drops a nuke on Kraps from orbit. |
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| 20:47.52 | cogwheel | Now there's a product name for ya... |
| 20:47.56 | cogwheel | Zim's CRACK Creme |
| 20:48.29 | Seerah | rofl |
| 20:48.32 | Industrial | for all your creamy needs |
| 20:48.37 | Industrial | o_O |
| 20:48.46 | cogwheel | It's lip balm ... -_- |
| 20:49.15 | mikma | red balls, mmmmmm |
| 20:50.26 | Industrial | when you thought it couldnt get weirder. |
| 20:50.54 | mikma | http://www.videovat.com/videos/1480/dave-chappelle-red-balls.aspx |
| 20:52.02 | Kraps | Lunessa: can you specify the exact orbit? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_orbits |
| 20:53.00 | Lunessa | Kraps: I'm going to use a polar orbit for maximal coverage and use a relatively large yield nuke to be certain. You are having nice day! |
| 20:54.04 | Kraps | thank you, i need to right this down for my study on cyber-violence |
| 20:54.40 | mikma | http://www.videovat.com/videos/18930/Evolution-of-Dance-2.aspx |
| 20:55.05 | Industrial | np: retractor - god in my head |
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| 20:58.33 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Industrial |
| 20:58.33 | purl | blasts Industrial with a huge firehose then strangles Industrial with it |
| 20:59.40 | DWSR | mikma: awesome |
| 21:00.00 | DWSR | Absolutely fantastic. |
| 21:04.09 | Industrial | Thunder_Child: what? it's a song :p |
| 21:04.27 | Industrial | a nausceating horrific pumping beating grinding screeching industrial song! |
| 21:04.33 | Industrial | just the way I like it :3 |
| 21:05.47 | Fisker | slaps Industrial around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:07.00 | olafski | lua> tmpString = ''; for i=0; i<5; i++ do tmpString = i end; print(tmpString); |
| 21:07.01 | lua_bot | olafski: luabot:1: ',' expected near ';' |
| 21:07.09 | olafski | blah I suck at lua |
| 21:07.14 | DWSR | Industrial |
| 21:07.18 | olafski | lua> tmpString = ''; for i=0, i<5, i++ do tmpString = i end; print(tmpString); |
| 21:07.18 | lua_bot | olafski: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '+' |
| 21:07.19 | Thunder_Child | Industrial, it's for the posting of it |
| 21:07.23 | olafski | dagnabbit :P |
| 21:07.29 | DWSR | on a scale of 0 to Industrial, where is the Twin? |
| 21:08.28 | olafski | lua> tmpString = ''; while (i<5) do tmpString = '' .. i; i = i+1; end print(tmpString); |
| 21:08.29 | lua_bot | olafski: luabot:1: attempt to compare nil with number |
| 21:08.39 | olafski | lua> tmpString = ''; i=0; while (i<5) do tmpString = '' .. i; i = i+1; end print(tmpString); |
| 21:08.40 | lua_bot | olafski: 4 |
| 21:08.50 | olafski | finally. strange, that works, must be something else wrong with my code |
| 21:10.06 | Kaso | what happens in your code? |
| 21:10.19 | olafski | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/128588 |
| 21:10.29 | olafski | it will tell me that at line 22, tmpString is nil |
| 21:11.13 | olafski | ahem. item_link is nil apparently.. I better just muck around with this a bit more |
| 21:13.19 | olafski | oh.. "This function will ONLY retrieve data if the item is in your bags or on your character sheet (being worn)." |
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| 21:27.14 | zenzelezz | so Funcom sent me a "hey, try Anarchy Online again" e-mail... advertising with, among other things, "A new (and long awaited) in-game mail system!" -- long awaited indeed, only since the game was released in 2001 or whenever |
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| 21:37.04 | Thunder_Child | lua> 66*.2 |
| 21:37.04 | lua_bot | Thunder_Child: 13.2 |
| 21:41.56 | phobix | anyone in here good at mailing add ons? |
| 21:42.24 | Cide | not me |
| 21:42.29 | Cide | I didn't invent them or anything |
| 21:42.29 | Thunder_Child | i prefer to email my addons, mail just takes to long |
| 21:42.38 | phobix | -_- |
| 21:42.57 | phobix | addons oriented around the mailing aspect of wow* |
| 21:43.06 | Cide | I didn't invent them or anything |
| 21:43.26 | Cide | don't pm |
| 21:43.38 | Cide | for the record |
| 21:43.38 | phobix | ook? |
| 21:43.39 | Cide | <phobix> so I would take that as sarcasm for you are exceptionaly good at them? |
| 21:43.42 | Cide | yes, I am |
| 21:43.52 | Cide | but ask the channel rather than me |
| 21:43.56 | Cide | I have more important things to do |
| 21:44.00 | Thunder_Child | well, he thinks that anyways |
| 21:44.01 | durcyn | christ, that horrible spammer is still here? |
| 21:44.06 | phobix | no, this is more of a you thing |
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| 21:44.23 | durcyn | phobix: get out. |
| 21:44.32 | Cide | <phobix> I am interested in paying someone to make me an addon |
| 21:44.34 | phobix | durcyn: fuck off |
| 21:44.35 | Cide | listen up guys! |
| 21:44.41 | Cide | there's money on the table! |
| 21:44.41 | cogwheel | phobix: if it's information that's useful, it's information that's useful for everyone |
| 21:44.41 | Cide | afk. |
| 21:44.54 | nevcairiel | grabs the money |
| 21:44.57 | nevcairiel | runs off |
| 21:44.57 | cogwheel | so feel free to ask your question in public |
| 21:45.02 | phobix | I have |
| 21:45.04 | phobix | was flamed |
| 21:45.26 | phobix | I already said it in the channel, I am willing to pay someone to make me a mailing addon to my specifications |
| 21:45.28 | cogwheel | well was it a stupid question? |
| 21:45.31 | cogwheel | :P |
| 21:45.34 | Thunder_Child | yes well that addition about paying in wow gold doesnt go over to well here |
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| 21:45.46 | nevcairiel | yeah we flame people that offer us money, we're no addon whores :P |
| 21:45.54 | durcyn | the only thing you said was "i want to pay you in RMT if you can write an addon to send large amounts of in-game mail" |
| 21:46.04 | durcyn | with the obvious inference being that you're some kind of useless spammer |
| 21:46.10 | Shadowed | Paying for addons would be fine |
| 21:46.12 | phobix | I am not a spammer |
| 21:46.13 | phobix | at all |
| 21:46.15 | Shadowed | but paying for it with gold is a bit what |
| 21:46.24 | phobix | ok, well spome peope might prefer that |
| 21:46.24 | durcyn | so either elaborate on what it is the hell that you're trying to comission, or stop asking |
| 21:46.26 | phobix | idk |
| 21:46.50 | cogwheel | or pay $30 bucks to buy the book to learn to write it yourself |
| 21:46.52 | phobix | I want an addon that will mail things that I sepcify to people I specify, and it will COD as well |
| 21:47.10 | phobix | auto mail tha tis |
| 21:47.14 | phobix | that is* |
| 21:47.22 | phobix | so all I have to do is click the box |
| 21:47.26 | phobix | and off it goes |
| 21:49.22 | phobix | anyone? |
| 21:49.59 | alestane | Like, dealing with the people who invite anyone to COD them stacks of saronite ore? |
| 21:50.06 | phobix | yes |
| 21:50.10 | phobix | and the buyers of my herbs |
| 21:50.31 | phobix | and like I said, I am paying for this |
| 21:51.19 | Shadowed | And how much gold are you even offering |
| 21:51.26 | cogwheel | i have a feeling you're underestimating the amount of work that would go into such a project (at least with a decent interface), and also the going rate for the kind of work it is... |
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| 21:51.47 | alestane | Only thing you need to be aware of, if you aren't already, is that the add-on policy requires that anything developed like that be freely distributed, as I understand it. |
| 21:52.20 | phobix | apparently I can pay in gold, so I would be paying RL cash |
| 21:52.27 | phobix | an I would want it to remain private |
| 21:52.29 | alestane | I don't think the policy leaves much room for developing something for pay and then giving them exclusive control over it. |
| 21:52.33 | phobix | as in, from the person I pay to me |
| 21:52.34 | phobix | thats is |
| 21:52.36 | phobix | it |
| 21:52.42 | nevcairiel | no-one can force you to publish your addon to addon sites |
| 21:52.50 | cogwheel | alestane: no, it doesn't address it at all |
| 21:53.06 | alestane | It's not clear. |
| 21:53.06 | Shadowed | what nevcairiel said |
| 21:53.19 | Shadowed | It just means you can't say "You can only have this addon if you pay X dollars" |
| 21:53.23 | alestane | I understand what you guys are saying. |
| 21:53.26 | Shadowed | doesn't really stop you if you only give it to one person |
| 21:53.29 | nevcairiel | If they knew about all those addons i have in my dir that i never published |
| 21:53.30 | alestane | But it strikes me as iffy. |
| 21:53.30 | cogwheel | it's quite clear imo |
| 21:53.32 | nevcairiel | o noes |
| 21:53.44 | phobix | and if someone thinks they can do it, PM me, I dont really want to spam my business in open channel |
| 21:53.54 | alestane | Certainly if I develop an add-on I can keep it to meyself. |
| 21:54.23 | Shadowed | but cogwheel is right anyway |
| 21:54.24 | nevcairiel | I also wrote addons just for some friends |
| 21:54.30 | phobix | but I am not some 18 y/o kid, I understand the amount of work that would go into something like this and would pay accordingly |
| 21:54.31 | nevcairiel | or my guild |
| 21:54.32 | Shadowed | Odds are the amount you would pay would make it not worthwhile |
| 21:54.39 | cogwheel | phobix: unless you find someone who would like that functionality for themselves, you're going to be hard-pressed to find anyone willing to do it for wow gold's worth of $$ |
| 21:54.51 | phobix | i willpay RL money |
| 21:54.53 | phobix | as I said |
| 21:55.05 | cogwheel | even if you paid them 10k gold, that's like what, $300 for dozens of hours of skilled labor? |
| 21:55.12 | phobix | no |
| 21:55.22 | alestane | And one could argue that if can accept pay for an add-on's development, I can transfer the right to distribute it or not to another individual...but that seems like it opens the door to a variety of exploitations of the form of the rule. |
| 21:55.24 | phobix | gold sells at about 4.5$ per 1k |
| 21:55.38 | cogwheel | alestane: i'm certain you're over-interpreting |
| 21:55.51 | phobix | cogwheel: may I pm you |
| 21:56.15 | nevcairiel | I hold the copyright to my addons, if i decide to sell those rights to someone else, how would they stop me |
| 21:56.21 | Shadowed | cogwheel: 10k is not $300 :p |
| 21:56.28 | Shadowed | 40k is about $350 |
| 21:56.30 | cogwheel | err 100k |
| 21:56.35 | cogwheel | but w/e |
| 21:56.59 | cogwheel | alestane: phobix would be paying for the work to create the addon, not for the addon itself. it's totally unaddressed by the policy |
| 21:57.08 | phobix | ^ |
| 21:57.44 | alestane | cogwheel: Your opinion of the add-on policy is well-known. I won't claim that I know you're wrong. But I'm not confident that you're right. |
| 21:57.49 | KarlKFI | I was paid to make an addon before the policy came out. i don't think there's a problem with that |
| 21:58.20 | alestane | And I've accepted pay for cevelopment too ,but I made the add-on freely available. |
| 21:58.41 | alestane | They sponsored the development, they didn't buy the labor. |
| 21:58.46 | phobix | see, I woul.d want an agreement to have it kept 100% private |
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| 21:58.59 | KarlKFI | private is legal too |
| 21:59.03 | cogwheel | right. if it's distributed it must be free |
| 21:59.08 | KarlKFI | ^^ |
| 21:59.11 | cogwheel | if you don't distribute it it doesn't matter. |
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| 22:00.15 | Lunessa | And programmer time isn't cheap. |
| 22:00.28 | alestane | It seems like it may lie within bounds. But I'd be very hesitant to enter into such an agreement, especially since part of the intent of the policy was to insure that add-ons not grant unique advantages to some people exclusively. |
| 22:00.56 | alestane | Not necessarily for legal reasons, but for personal ones. |
| 22:00.59 | nevcairiel | I wonder how important an addon could be to someone to pay for an individual addon .. i certainly wouldnt .. but then again i feel different because i would just write it myself |
| 22:01.08 | Cide | it's not an advantage if anyone can do it /the developer of ctra |
| 22:02.03 | Shadowed | Yea you don't really gain anything by having an addon be private |
| 22:02.17 | phobix | well nevcairiel , if the addon pays for itself, its not a big deal =) |
| 22:02.40 | nevcairiel | On another note, i wouldnt support gold sellers |
| 22:02.52 | phobix | well there you go |
| 22:02.56 | phobix | but I bet some people will |
| 22:03.50 | nevcairiel | even if you don't spam, as you claim, they generally do, and they violate the ToS or ToU or whatever, i forgot which exactly .. so nope .. and i guess alot of people in here agree with that =p |
| 22:04.26 | phobix | I am def not looking to spam for COD lol |
| 22:04.33 | phobix | I just want to move my herbs |
| 22:04.47 | nevcairiel | i'm not saying you use the addon to spam, directly anyway =) |
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| 22:14.20 | alestane | Given that you can't resell the add-on, about the only reason I can think of to demand exclusivity is the line of thought that "I paid for this, and I want the benefit; if anyone else wants it, let them pay for it their own self." |
| 22:14.21 | alestane | Well many people consider this attitude perfectly fair and reasonable, it ignores many of the major advantages of the software development process, and is the sort of attitude that the various Free Software and Open Source movements were specifically started to counter. |
| 22:14.39 | alestane | I'll remove myself from the discussion by saying that I am not interested in doing business on your terms. |
| 22:16.08 | nevcairiel | I'll remove myself from the internets because its time to sleep! |
| 22:16.18 | Lunessa | Night nev |
| 22:16.28 | cogwheel | FSF can suck an elf imo. Sure they've had some positive effects, but now they're just shrill OS nazis. |
| 22:16.35 | cbreak | I've got a few addons for sale. |
| 22:16.49 | Cide | so do I |
| 22:16.49 | Lunessa | I'll remove myself from the discussion because I would charge you a price that would make your head spin. |
| 22:16.59 | Cide | and 50 million people's email addresses. |
| 22:17.04 | nevcairiel | You have to ignore the extremists in the OS-movement, they are just silly |
| 22:17.09 | nevcairiel | poofs |
| 22:17.32 | cbreak | the FSF is fun, they sue people who use GPL code without gpling their stuff |
| 22:17.43 | Ancu1 | is anyone else not seeing the quest markers? |
| 22:19.41 | cogwheel | OMG! My calendar ends on Dec 31!!! it's teh END OF TEH WURLD!!! |
| 22:20.28 | Cide | oh no... |
| 22:20.39 | alestane | I can never take too seriously the assertion that the end of the Mayan Calendar implies foreknowledge of some celestial disaster. |
| 22:20.40 | cbreak | you fool! get a mac and use the terminal app "cal"! For a never ending world |
| 22:20.42 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: whew, this one was getting a bit stale anyway |
| 22:20.44 | cbreak | (for the forseeable future) |
| 22:21.16 | ajmitch | cbreak: but isn't that a standard unix app? one where the world ends in 2038? |
| 22:21.19 | alestane | Maybe they just didn't see any need to calculate their calendar more than 3000 years into the future, or however long ti was at the time? |
| 22:21.26 | cbreak | ajmitch: yeah |
| 22:21.30 | foxlit | Unix ends in time_t |
| 22:21.39 | foxlit | which is probably 64-bit by now. |
| 22:22.06 | cogwheel | alestane: i think you're already giving it too much credit :P |
| 22:22.07 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: yeah, god forbid people think "eh, 3000 years is long enough to come up with the rest of the calendar sometime later.." |
| 22:22.28 | durcyn | uh, the calendar doesn't even end, it just restarts |
| 22:22.29 | Ginji | My calendar ends each year |
| 22:22.42 | cbreak | "A single parameter specifies the year (1 - 9999) to be displayed;" |
| 22:22.43 | foxlit | Ginji: you cease existing on new year's eve. |
| 22:22.50 | foxlit | A new copy is created without you realizing. |
| 22:22.52 | cbreak | that should be enough |
| 22:22.54 | Ginji | Nah, you cease existing when I die |
| 22:23.04 | alestane | I like Terry Pratchett's intimation better: "The calendar of the Theocracy of Muntab counts *down*, not up. No-one is sure why, but the general agreement is that it is probably not a good idea to stick around and find out." |
| 22:23.10 | Ginji | just like everybody else, you're only here because I've acknowledged your existence |
| 22:23.13 | durcyn | it's based on the alignment of the planet with the center of the galaxy, that should be more noteworthy than when it repeats itself |
| 22:23.15 | NightHawkTheSane | you all cease existing when i get distracted by soemthing shiny |
| 22:23.28 | cogwheel | points at wave |
| 22:23.36 | NightHawkTheSane | ooh, shiny!.... |
| 22:23.36 | cogwheel | ceases to exist |
| 22:24.19 | NightHawkTheSane | i lost a good hour of work earlier today, playing a magnetic word gadget in wave. >.> |
| 22:24.28 | NightHawkTheSane | slides a 'with' into that sentence |
| 22:24.48 | cbreak | always make backups before you play around with magnets near hard disks. |
| 22:24.59 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart cbreak |
| 22:24.59 | purl | duct-tapes cbreak to the floor and drools on him |
| 22:25.59 | Ginji | I wonder, how feasible is it to have magnets in the ground all over the planet so that I can wear a suit with the opposite charge to enable me to fly |
| 22:26.11 | NightHawkTheSane | .. not very. |
| 22:26.19 | cbreak | it'd just turn you around and you'd get stuck with your head in the sand |
| 22:26.41 | Ginji | That would be a problem, what about a giant air hockey table? |
| 22:26.51 | Lunessa | Just wrap the planet in copper wire and stand back. |
| 22:27.02 | foxlit | just find a different planet. |
| 22:27.04 | NightHawkTheSane | see, now thats not a bad idea, great for peeking up skirts too |
| 22:27.04 | foxlit | Problem solved. |
| 22:27.05 | cbreak | want to build an EMP? |
| 22:28.03 | Lunessa | cbreak: Nah, just generate a current and a magnetic field. With no real use for either. |
| 22:28.04 | Ginji | Jetpacks won't work since unlike robocop I don't have a metallic ass |
| 22:28.19 | NightHawkTheSane | you could have your ass surgically replaced by a metallic one |
| 22:28.28 | Ginji | Sitting down would suck |
| 22:28.28 | cbreak | there are working jet packs |
| 22:28.31 | NightHawkTheSane | or, even better, just have your ass surgically replaced by a jetpack |
| 22:28.32 | cbreak | just not affordable ones |
| 22:28.47 | cbreak | apparently they are hard to fly as well |
| 22:28.52 | Lunessa | or even cost-effective ones. |
| 22:29.00 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: i can't imagine why >.> |
| 22:29.02 | Ginji | Then what options do we have for personal flight |
| 22:29.11 | NightHawkTheSane | buy a cessna? :P |
| 22:29.15 | cbreak | catapult. |
| 22:29.18 | foxlit | Big giant wings. |
| 22:29.24 | foxlit | </redundancy> |
| 22:29.26 | Ginji | What about a blimp |
| 22:29.34 | Ancu1 | so am I the only one not seeing quest markers in wow? you know, the !, and ? above questgivers heads? |
| 22:29.38 | foxlit | What about a blimp? |
| 22:29.42 | cbreak | Ancu1: I had no problems |
| 22:29.46 | foxlit | You might as well stock yourself some helium baloons. |
| 22:29.52 | cbreak | is your level too high above that of the quest? |
| 22:29.55 | Ginji | Blimps are more awesome |
| 22:30.06 | NightHawkTheSane | you could pull an UP and use a bunch of balloons |
| 22:30.31 | ancu | cbreak: level 1 in the starter zone...nope, dont think so |
| 22:30.39 | NightHawkTheSane | bonus points for doing it with a house |
| 22:30.55 | cbreak | that movie was lacking in the physics department |
| 22:31.08 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, but its okay, because it made up for it in the awesome department :) |
| 22:31.13 | cbreak | I don't think a chimney is built strong enough to hold the weight of the remaining building. |
| 22:31.29 | foxlit | Cartoon physics as usual. |
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| 22:31.45 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: i'm pretty sure no sane amount of balloons would lift a house either, whats your point? :P |
| 22:32.01 | Ginji | Which reminds me, I still need to see UP |
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| 22:32.11 | NightHawkTheSane | you should, it's a nice movie |
| 22:32.17 | cbreak | the number of balloons on this planet is not limited to sane ammounts. |
| 22:32.26 | Cide | so I have like 3 empty replies in a wave |
| 22:32.36 | Cide | because clicking "new reply" is way too easy |
| 22:32.39 | Cide | can I delete them? |
| 22:32.47 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, use the little menu thing |
| 22:32.57 | NightHawkTheSane | on the right side of each reply |
| 22:33.03 | NightHawkTheSane | should be a delete option |
| 22:33.33 | Cide | oh, missed that one |
| 22:33.34 | cbreak | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMjuzy68hw0 |
| 22:33.37 | Cide | I looked in that menu like 3 times |
| 22:33.38 | Cide | thanks |
| 22:33.40 | NightHawkTheSane | :) |
| 22:34.07 | Aqua | anyone else having auth issues? |
| 22:50.05 | Shirik | Cide fails at waving |
| 22:50.25 | Cide | I do |
| 22:50.32 | Cide | you haven't responded to my wave either |
| 22:51.53 | Shirik | how do you even know my address |
| 22:53.49 | Shirik | you don't |
| 22:53.51 | Shirik | you completely ignored me |
| 22:53.55 | durcyn | you're all over google, Matthew. |
| 22:53.57 | Shirik | and then yell at me for not being invited |
| 22:56.28 | Cide | well what's your address then? |
| 22:57.14 | Shirik | EXACTLY |
| 22:57.24 | Shirik | YOU DON'T KNOW |
| 22:58.01 | mikma | biggestass@gmail.com |
| 22:58.03 | Cide | you don't know |
| 22:58.25 | Lunessa | wait, that's me. |
| 22:59.00 | Cide | do we share the same address, Lunessa? |
| 22:59.26 | Lunessa | Well, I thought yours was imadick@gmail.com |
| 22:59.46 | Cide | oh, that may be. |
| 22:59.51 | mikma | heh |
| 22:59.53 | Cide | so hard to keep track |
| 22:59.55 | Lunessa | And this is why Cide is my Hero. |
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| 23:00.04 | Lunessa | And on that note, I must go. |
| 23:00.05 | mikma | thats for taking my joke to next level |
| 23:00.19 | cogwheel | my friend used to have launchmissiles@yahoo.com but they nixed it... |
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| 23:03.11 | Cide | of course |
| 23:03.18 | Cide | cogwheel is awesome and invites me to wave |
| 23:03.25 | Cide | 1 day later and google invites me |
| 23:04.21 | Shirik | lol |
| 23:04.22 | Shirik | owned |
| 23:04.33 | Cide | that would be cogwheel |
| 23:04.42 | Cide | for stealin' his invites |
| 23:05.04 | KarlKFI | so when do new recruits get invite power? |
| 23:05.12 | KarlKFI | i need people to talk to |
| 23:05.32 | Cide | I just got invites myself |
| 23:05.34 | Cide | so... now? |
| 23:05.35 | mikma | google lame |
| 23:05.38 | mikma | i mean, wave |
| 23:08.58 | Aqua | anyone else having trouble loading worldofwarcraft.com / logging into the game? |
| 23:09.32 | jpmorgan | no |
| 23:09.49 | foxlit | wow loads just fine |
| 23:09.59 | foxlit | Your realms I have no idea about. |
| 23:15.07 | Shirik | Quarantine Area Empty |
| 23:15.07 | Shirik | The ERAU anti-spam system has detected some possible spam email messages and quarantined them in your anti-spam system. |
| 23:15.12 | Shirik | I think it's lying to me |
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| 23:19.47 | zenzelezz | why, welcome back miss peppy |
| 23:20.34 | Lopeppeppy | heyo. |
| 23:21.32 | Shirik | I think we're alone now |
| 23:21.47 | Shirik | Doesn't seem to be anyone around |
| 23:21.52 | cogwheel | I think I'm a clone now |
| 23:22.17 | cogwheel | Always two of me just a-hangin' around |
| 23:23.03 | DWSR | Hey guys, does anyone know of a way to export the contents of a gbank to a website? |
| 23:24.36 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: i imagine you could parse the SVS of any one of several 'view your gb from anywhere' addons. |
| 23:24.49 | DWSR | NHTS: Right, but I was thinking a pre-existing solution |
| 23:25.17 | jpmorgan | altaholic captures gbank info. could pull it from there |
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| 23:26.19 | mini | Is there a bug with UPDATE_INVENTORY_DURABILITY? I'm in Dalaran doing nothing and being spammed with it randomly. |
| 23:26.21 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: i forgot what its called, but there's some php-based guild-info website software that lets users upload character date (generated from a specific addon), and parses it, it may have code to parse gbank info |
| 23:27.02 | NightHawkTheSane | but there's not, afaik, a standalone solution |
| 23:27.22 | DWSR | Well, I suppose I can rip the code out and throw it on a drupal page. |
| 23:27.26 | NightHawkTheSane | mini: might it be from players dueling? |
| 23:27.47 | DWSR | NHTS: Err, would UPDATE_INVENTORY_DURABILITY fire only for items in your inventory? |
| 23:27.48 | NightHawkTheSane | i dunno how that event fires, though |
| 23:28.12 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, that occured to me. *shrug* |
| 23:28.25 | DWSR | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/UPDATE_INVENTORY_DURABILITY |
| 23:28.33 | DWSR | Only something equipped. |
| 23:28.42 | mini | The event should be only firing for the player, there's no unit arguments. |
| 23:29.16 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, then i dunno |
| 23:31.02 | Shirik | random question |
| 23:31.11 | Shirik | do you think the SSH protocol is better at handling disconnections than HTTP? |
| 23:31.12 | cogwheel | so, the most common example of when a goto is the best tool for the job is breaking out of nested loops. Is there any other example you can think of? |
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| 23:31.30 | Shirik | That is, if I have an unstable connection that drops for milliseconds at a time and is interrupting HTTP requests, if I tunnel it through SSH do you think it will recover? |
| 23:31.45 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:31.45 | Shirik | we're talking milliseconds every few hours here |
| 23:32.41 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: sure, goto is the best tool if you want to be eaten by raptors. |
| 23:32.42 | Ginji | Those are entirely different things |
| 23:32.45 | alestane | cogwheel: Exception handling, in languages that don't support it directly. |
| 23:32.51 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 23:32.54 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 23:32.58 | Shirik | I have 10000 liters of milk |
| 23:33.00 | Fisker | the SSH protocol just ordered you a thousand liters of milk |
| 23:33.00 | Shirik | do you want them? |
| 23:33.01 | Fisker | securely |
| 23:33.10 | Shirik | oh now I have 11000 liters of milk |
| 23:33.12 | Fisker | you have 11000 soon |
| 23:33.14 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 23:33.35 | Ginji | But HTTP is not meant to be used for continues connections |
| 23:33.44 | Shirik | it's actually not a continuous connection |
| 23:33.48 | Ginji | Exactly |
| 23:33.50 | Shirik | it's a ton of small requests |
| 23:33.52 | Shirik | but |
| 23:33.59 | Shirik | the software isn't good at recovering from a failed request :) |
| 23:34.04 | Shirik | it tries from the beginning again |
| 23:34.06 | Shirik | so I'm getting nowhere |
| 23:34.09 | Ginji | Throw more hardware at it |
| 23:34.17 | Shirik | ? |
| 23:34.22 | Shirik | It's a school server, and IT hates me |
| 23:34.29 | Shirik | if they had their way, they'd take down the server completely |
| 23:35.01 | Ginji | A tunnel to the box could lead to a more stable connection |
| 23:35.36 | Adys | shirik |
| 23:35.38 | Adys | can i see your tunnel |
| 23:35.50 | Shirik | sure, but I'm not giving you my private key |
| 23:35.55 | Adys | awwww |
| 23:35.55 | Ginji | But if it's a hardware issue you're still screwed |
| 23:36.01 | Shirik | never on a first date |
| 23:36.35 | jpmorgan | dwsr - addon called datastore-containers also exports gbank info |
| 23:36.47 | Shirik | ROFL @ xkcd today |
| 23:36.47 | Shirik | omg |
| 23:36.51 | Shirik | my feelings exactly |
| 23:36.57 | DWSR | DataStore is broken. Constantly spams me in instances. |
| 23:36.59 | Shirik | cogwheel you shoud look at it |
| 23:37.24 | Cide | yeah, it's amazing |
| 23:37.29 | cogwheel | alestane: interesting idea. I'm thinking about this in the context of Go, which has labeled break and continue statements. That particular use of goto seems like it wouldn't really work right since you can't goto past a variable declaration. |
| 23:37.36 | jpmorgan | it is stable for me |
| 23:38.02 | NightHawkTheSane | goes home. |
| 23:38.07 | cogwheel | Shirik: already saw it =) |
| 23:38.28 | Ginji | goto is a wrong tool for every problem |
| 23:38.42 | Ginji | s/every/any/ |
| 23:38.43 | Lopeppeppy | go fish |
| 23:38.51 | cogwheel | no. absoulte statements like that are the wrong tool for every problem :P |
| 23:38.51 | sylvanaar | except in assembler |
| 23:39.14 | Shirik | negative |
| 23:39.18 | Ginji | The only goto you can have is "Go to definition" |
| 23:39.20 | Shirik | goto has useful places |
| 23:39.30 | cogwheel | goto is clearly superior to flags or wrapper functions with return statements to break out of nested loops |
| 23:39.31 | Shirik | Lua uses goto perfectly |
| 23:40.46 | sylvanaar | just do fewer things in your functions |
| 23:41.04 | cogwheel | but in languages with (planned) support for exceptions (or some other customary error handling system) and with labeled break/continue, it seems like the use cases would be even more extremely rare... |
| 23:44.08 | Shirik | sure |
| 23:44.12 | Shirik | but still useful |
| 23:44.15 | Shirik | rarely, but it is |
| 23:44.32 | cogwheel | yep... just trying to find some of those cases =) |
| 23:44.35 | Shirik | even Java has a break-to-label |
| 23:44.44 | Shirik | I think I used it in Minion |
| 23:45.02 | Shirik | stupid nested for loops... |
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| 23:59.01 | alestane | cogwheel: One of the constructs I'd like to see added to Lua is an evaluate ...end block, which is similar to a do...end block except that it is an expression and can return a value or series of values...rather like a function only without a dedicated closure or argument list. You could wrap nested loops in such a construction, in which case return could be used to break out of it without a goto. |
