| 00:03.00 | batrick | lol |
| 00:03.17 | Shirik | rofl, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHFFC9gGcGw |
| 00:03.24 | Shirik | American music videos are never this fun |
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| 00:04.10 | NightHawkTheSane | you're never this fun.... |
| 00:04.14 | Shirik | :( |
| 00:04.22 | Shirik | why you hate me :( |
| 00:04.30 | kd3 | hrm... looks like the first boss in the forge of souls has his very own theme music |
| 00:04.33 | kd3 | fitting |
| 00:04.40 | Dagmar | Shirik: I would have thought the rest of the world would have gotten the message that Christian death metal doesn't work |
| 00:04.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: you're just fun to tease :p |
| 00:05.25 | Shirik | who cares what it's about if it sounds good |
| 00:07.00 | Dagmar | That would be why it doesn't work. |
| 00:07.30 | Thunder_Child | it doesnt sound good though |
| 00:07.31 | Dagmar | Somehow, they manage to incorporate a sound of "lameness" in every note |
| 00:07.44 | Shirik | I have no problem with it |
| 00:07.50 | Shirik | you and I obviously have different tastes in music |
| 00:08.00 | Shirik | that's why they're called "genres" and not "ways of life" |
| 00:08.07 | Dagmar | Yes, one of us _has_ taste in music. |
| 00:08.19 | Shirik | I'm sorry you don't consider yourself to have a taste in music |
| 00:08.23 | Shirik | you should work on your self-esteem |
| 00:08.54 | Dagmar | Perhaps christian artists desperately trying to be edgy by making "death metal" that sucks shoudl look into some self-esteem building |
| 00:09.08 | Dagmar | Maybe then they wouldn't feel the need to glom onto other people's schtick |
| 00:09.09 | Shirik | they seem pretty confident about themselves to me |
| 00:09.22 | Dagmar | The word is "deluded". |
| 00:09.36 | Dagmar | death metal isn't about music prowess. |
| 00:09.56 | Dagmar | If it was, more than half their vocalists would be out of a job |
| 00:09.58 | Shirik | I'm also not sure why you're calling it death metal |
| 00:10.24 | Adys | so |
| 00:10.28 | Shirik | there is a distinct lack of the "death" half |
| 00:10.28 | Adys | I just found out a few minutes ago |
| 00:10.40 | Dagmar | So they don't follow a zombie cult? |
| 00:10.47 | Adys | that my laptop doesn't have a hd, it has a ssd |
| 00:10.47 | Dagmar | Adys: About Dollhouse |
| 00:10.50 | Dagmar | Oh |
| 00:10.52 | Dagmar | Whew |
| 00:10.56 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:10.59 | Shirik | wtf |
| 00:11.02 | Shirik | just found out? |
| 00:11.14 | Dagmar | Adys: So, how'd you go this long without noticing the hard drive was ridiculously tiny?? |
| 00:11.15 | Adys | yes, its not supposed to, I just went over the sale record |
| 00:11.22 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:11.24 | Dagmar | Ahhh... |
| 00:11.31 | Adys | thing is |
| 00:11.36 | Adys | for a few months I kept wondering |
| 00:11.41 | Adys | how comes fsck is so fast |
| 00:11.47 | Shirik | ha |
| 00:12.13 | Adys | and today I just resized my main partition by 50gb |
| 00:12.19 | Adys | and it took a whole total of 10 seconds |
| 00:12.45 | Dagmar | What size ssd did you get? |
| 00:12.56 | Adys | its 128gb |
| 00:12.56 | Jerub | man, fsck is slow. bring on btrfs |
| 00:13.04 | Jerub | incremental live fsck! |
| 00:13.08 | Dagmar | Whoo... you must have surely noticed that in the price |
| 00:13.15 | Adys | I didnt |
| 00:13.24 | Adys | that laptop costed me around 200 euros |
| 00:13.25 | Dagmar | Yay for purchase orders! |
| 00:13.33 | Adys | that alone is the price of a 128gb ssd |
| 00:13.39 | Dagmar | what the... |
| 00:13.41 | Jerub | Adys: that's half the price of a 128gb ssd. |
| 00:14.02 | Dagmar | Yeah a 128Gb SSD is definitely seriously pricey |
| 00:14.02 | Jerub | you could buy a pile of them, shell them for their ssds, and throw away the laptop wrapping |
| 00:14.42 | Adys | on that note |
| 00:14.44 | Adys | man I love ssds. |
| 00:14.53 | Dagmar | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010150636%201421430849&bop=And&ActiveSearchResult=True&Order=PRICE |
| 00:15.08 | Dagmar | You got one hell of a deal if you paid only 200 eu for that |
| 00:15.23 | Adys | I didnt |
| 00:15.29 | Shirik | Adys |
| 00:15.30 | Shirik | I hate you now |
| 00:15.30 | Shirik | fyi |
| 00:15.32 | Adys | I paid 200 euros for that and an entire laptop |
| 00:15.34 | Dagmar | Dude you did |
| 00:15.37 | Adys | 8 months ago btw. |
| 00:15.39 | Shirik | I hate you enough to force you onto 32 bit systems |
| 00:15.52 | Dagmar | SSDs have been expensive as hell all year long |
| 00:16.13 | Dagmar | ...otherwise I would ahve replaced the 5200 RPM disk in my seriously space-constrained firewall with a small one last month |
| 00:16.25 | Shirik | also, laptops are probably the best place for SSDs |
| 00:16.33 | Shirik | their hard drives are most likely to fail |
| 00:17.06 | Dagmar | The $300 netbooks here don't come with 128gb SSDs in them |
| 00:21.37 | NightHawkTheSane | http://gizmodo.com/5400338/video-hacked-roombas-used-to-play-pac%20man-finally |
| 00:24.55 | Shirik | epic, NightHawkTheSane |
| 00:24.58 | Shirik | forwarded to professors :P |
| 00:25.27 | NightHawkTheSane | :) |
| 00:25.53 | Shirik | I titled it "The connection between Roombas, UAVs, and Pac-Man" |
| 00:26.01 | NightHawkTheSane | i thought you might like that. |
| 00:26.08 | NightHawkTheSane | in any case, im going home. |
| 00:26.16 | Shirik | take care |
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| 00:43.01 | tardmrr | wait wait |
| 00:43.09 | tardmrr | Quel'Delar is a two hander? |
| 00:43.15 | tem | is very confused |
| 00:53.42 | End | tem: wait, wuht? |
| 00:54.54 | Dagmar | tardmrr: If you're a gnome, it requires both hands. |
| 00:54.57 | tem | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/50048/quel-delar-might-of-the-faithful/ |
| 00:55.00 | End | weird |
| 00:56.04 | Dagmar | The thing has been sticking out of the ice forever |
| 00:56.14 | Dagmar | It's always looked like a two-hander to me |
| 00:56.25 | NightHawkTheSane | interesting. |
| 00:56.48 | Dagmar | Hot damn it's worth 31 gold to a vendor? Sweeet |
| 00:57.07 | NightHawkTheSane | wonder how long till rogue qq starts |
| 00:58.01 | Yssaril | mmo db shows thats one of 4 rewards i assume there is something for everyone |
| 00:58.10 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: They can eff right off as long as a rogue still has the BiS gun |
| 00:58.42 | Dagmar | Yssaril: That would break with the tradition of all hunter stat sticks coming from vendors |
| 00:58.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: yeah i didn't say it was valid, just that it would happen |
| 00:58.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Yssaril: i hope so, but *shrug* |
| 01:00.43 | Bibi- | [01:55:57] <Dagmar> It's always looked like a two-hander to me |
| 01:00.45 | Bibi- | 4 versions available |
| 01:00.50 | Bibi- | one 2-hander included |
| 01:01.03 | Dagmar | Four versions of what |
| 01:01.14 | Bibi- | QD |
| 01:01.53 | Dagmar | Er don't think so |
| 01:02.11 | Bibi- | yeah, you're probably right |
| 01:02.12 | Bibi- | I suck at this |
| 01:02.13 | Bibi- | sorry |
| 01:02.31 | Dagmar | I'm not sure Blizzard would ever be so gauche as to make a specially named weapon be something you pick which "version" you want from the reward giver |
| 01:02.49 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 01:02.50 | Dagmar | You might well be picking which reward, but only one of them's gonna be the named weapon |
| 01:02.56 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 01:03.03 | Bibi- | THE 4 SWORDS ARE IN FRONT OF ME. |
| 01:03.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: the latter, i hope, is the direction they go |
| 01:03.10 | Bibi- | I RUN MMO-CHAMPION AND I'M AWESOME. |
| 01:03.18 | Bibi- | now that we all agree with that |
| 01:03.19 | Bibi- | 4 versions. |
| 01:03.20 | Dagmar | Maybe one will be Roque'Delar, Sword of the Rifle |
| 01:03.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Bibi-: you're a hack, and blizzard doesn't like you! |
| 01:03.22 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 01:03.24 | Bibi- | also one caster sword |
| 01:03.39 | Bibi- | everybody will run around with Quel'delar in hand |
| 01:03.42 | Bibi- | it's going to be so ridiculous |
| 01:03.42 | Bibi- | :D |
| 01:03.49 | Dagmar | Bibi-: And heirloom gear on |
| 01:03.50 | Shirik | Bibi- |
| 01:03.50 | Thunder_Child | i am! |
| 01:03.54 | Shirik | I destroy you |
| 01:04.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Bibi-: if they're all sword, not everyone will >.> |
| 01:04.01 | Dagmar | Excepting of course hunters. |
| 01:04.05 | Bibi- | you can't, I evade. |
| 01:04.08 | Dagmar | Hunters will still be buying their stat sticks from vendors. |
| 01:04.12 | Shirik | stop hacking |
| 01:04.17 | Shirik | s/hacking/exploiting/ |
| 01:04.19 | Trela | Dagmar: Are you forgetting about the four versions of Atiesh? |
| 01:04.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Trela: but it was always a staff |
| 01:04.52 | NightHawkTheSane | it wasn't atiesh the wand, ateish the off hand item, atiesh the dagger.. |
| 01:05.04 | Trela | >.> <.< |
| 01:05.10 | Trela | goes back into her troll hole. |
| 01:05.40 | Dagmar | Trela: Not forgetting, ignoring |
| 01:05.54 | Bibi- | http://db.mmo-champion.com/latest |
| 01:05.56 | NightHawkTheSane | on the other hand |
| 01:05.57 | Bibi- | bottom of lasupdate |
| 01:05.59 | Bibi- | happy? :p |
| 01:06.01 | Dagmar | Otherwise I'm going to have to go to Blizzard and demand my guns all be made into one-handers |
| 01:06.06 | Bibi- | http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/24796/a-victory-for-the-silver-covenant/ |
| 01:06.21 | NightHawkTheSane | if all version of QD are swords, one could argue that the differences between 2h and 1h is hand-wavable, and just go with it |
| 01:06.21 | Dagmar | I would LOVE double pistols |
| 01:06.52 | Jerub | swords :( |
| 01:07.19 | Shirik | erk |
| 01:07.24 | Shirik | one of my students just found a bug in my program... |
| 01:07.33 | Shirik | I use a program to compute the grades for my students |
| 01:07.37 | Shirik | someone got a 1070% |
| 01:08.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: was the one who found the bug the one who got the 1070%? if so, i guess he deserves it :P |
| 01:08.51 | Shirik | yes :P |
| 01:08.56 | Trela | It would have been funnier if it was 9001%. |
| 01:09.08 | Jerub | weird. |
| 01:09.13 | Thunder_Child | >.< |
| 01:09.18 | Jerub | i wonder why there's a bunch of obsolete new gear introduced. |
| 01:09.32 | Shirik | lua> 90 + 3.25 * 4 |
| 01:09.33 | lua_bot | Shirik: 103 |
| 01:09.37 | Shirik | He's already getting a good grade |
| 01:09.41 | Shirik | that's what he was supposed to get |
| 01:09.58 | Jerub | oh i guess less people will be bothering wth EoC gear |
| 01:11.50 | Bibi- | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/50048/quel-delar-might-of-the-faithful/dontcachemebro |
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| 01:12.40 | Jerub | Bibi-: brilliant screenshot |
| 01:12.53 | tem | Bibi-, dontcachemebro? |
| 01:13.04 | Adys | its called a feature! |
| 01:13.46 | Jerub | oooh, i get it. the 219 gear being added will be drops from the heroic 5man |
| 01:13.56 | Jerub | for the icc loot pinata. |
| 01:15.08 | Dagmar | You have a deranged idea of the meaning of "obsolete" |
| 01:15.39 | NeoTron | Bibi-: http://db.mmo-champion.com/static/img/screenshots/item_50048.jpg do want |
| 01:15.47 | NightHawkTheSane | why do people automatically assume that any gear that doesn't require torture on par with waterboarding to acquire is a 'loot pinata' |
| 01:16.09 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Because they're ignorant, elitist jackasses |
| 01:16.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: took the words right out of my fingers. ;) |
| 01:17.17 | Dagmar | Why make intelligent comments about an items' utility when it's much easier to appear knowledgeable and intelligent by simply insulting everything else? |
| 01:17.26 | NightHawkTheSane | It's fucking hypocritical, the same people who bitch-and-moan about loot pinatas, welfare epics, and shit like that, are the exact same douchebags who will bitch and moan when someone in their toc-25 pug has a single item with an ilvl under 245 |
| 01:17.30 | Dagmar | Sooo much easier |
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| 01:18.00 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: I think they're just mad that the pug member has probably left the house |
| 01:18.14 | NightHawkTheSane | (they're also the same people who will get trounced by the GOOD players with sub-par gear, btw) |
| 01:18.56 | NightHawkTheSane | One of the more satisfying things i've done is trounce people on dps meters who called me out by name for having shitty gear. |
| 01:19.14 | Jerub | oh, okay, i've stepped intoa big philospihcal thing. |
| 01:19.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: yeah, i didn't mean any of that against you personally necessarily.. :) |
| 01:19.31 | Dagmar | No, you just made a highly inadvisable comment in front of "casuals" |
| 01:19.33 | NeoTron | so I did an onyxia pug on my warlock |
| 01:19.34 | NightHawkTheSane | i just sorta went off on a tangent :P |
| 01:19.40 | NeoTron | using the allmighty gearscore I was number 20 |
| 01:19.46 | Jerub | I was actually curious why there was a new ilvl 219 leather chest in the patch, when anyone who had been playing for more than a week should have the T8.5 chest from EoC handins. |
| 01:19.47 | NeoTron | I did top DPS on onyxia and 2nd overall dps |
| 01:20.05 | Dagmar | I've already told my guild master that I'm going to violate the hell out of the usual guild rules about being nice to everyone when 3.3 comes out |
| 01:20.07 | Jerub | and why icc, which i thought would have ToC10/25 level gear had ilvl 219 gear. |
| 01:20.36 | Jerub | I said 'obselete' because anyone in icc should already have trial of the crusade gear. |
| 01:20.36 | Dagmar | NeoTron: It's actually not that hard, it's just messy and long |
| 01:20.36 | NeoTron | normal icc 5-mans is what you do as a new level 80 |
| 01:20.43 | NightHawkTheSane | icc 5 mans having 219 for normal mode is probably par for the course |
| 01:20.55 | Jerub | yeah, I only realised after i made those comments that the 5mans would have 219 gear. |
| 01:20.57 | Dagmar | NeoTron: That I'm not so sure about |
| 01:21.00 | NeoTron | you're not expected to us ethem to gear up if you've been 80 for a long time |
| 01:21.18 | Dagmar | As a new level 80 you should probably be finishing off pillaging a few heroics first |
| 01:21.24 | Jerub | i said 'loot pinata' because I ran ToC norm 10 times in an hour the other day, and man, I feel like hitting an effigy with a stick while blindfolded. |
| 01:21.28 | NeoTron | Dagmar: most likely not |
| 01:21.32 | Jerub | s/feel/felt/ |
| 01:21.38 | Dagmar | Jerub: Okay that one is a loot pinata |
| 01:21.40 | NeoTron | I've seen people below level 80 do toc 5-man normal |
| 01:21.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: yeah, in that respect it is |
| 01:21.58 | Jerub | I did toc 5man norm at 78 and 79 |
| 01:21.59 | Dagmar | I've done ToC 5 man at 78 with a 79 and another 78 in the group |
| 01:22.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: i'm just kinda jaded by people who use that term perjoratively |
| 01:22.10 | Dagmar | ...but then, it's just a "normal" instance, so that's reasonable |
| 01:22.20 | NeoTron | likewise do you really think icc 5 man normal is only for, well, heroicly geared people? |
| 01:22.26 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: I literally tell people, "you should hit the toc loot pinata more before you do this raid" |
| 01:22.38 | Lopeppeppy | AckisWork, my cat is a serious Frankenkitty now! She's getting lasers tomorrow! |
| 01:22.42 | NeoTron | people will just chain farm icc normal until they have the ilevel 219 gear they want from there just like they do to toc today |
| 01:22.50 | Dagmar | I would like to think that ICC being such a huge storyline bit, would require the ability to complete ToC 5 Heroic, which is a bitch |
| 01:22.51 | NeoTron | after that, why run normal icc 5 mans anyway? don't get badges |
| 01:23.01 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: which is a good thing, imo |
| 01:23.03 | NeoTron | you'd like yo think wrong |
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| 01:23.16 | Jerub | is icc norm going to have ilvl219? |
| 01:23.21 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: not saying it's bad. it's intended as a short circuiting mode for better gear clearly |
| 01:23.21 | Jerub | that'll be uh.. 'epic'. |
| 01:23.32 | Dagmar | If you can cut straight to ICC without really doing any heroics first, that _will_ make a number of things pointless |
| 01:23.34 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: *nod* which is good :) |
| 01:23.34 | NeoTron | Jerub: as per mmo-champ yes |
| 01:23.42 | NeoTron | Dagmar: like? |
| 01:23.52 | Dagmar | NeoTron: Like ToC 5 heroic |
| 01:23.55 | Jerub | man, no one can do toc H without gearing significantly first. |
| 01:24.05 | NeoTron | toc5 heroic is the same level gear and it gives badges so.. no? |
| 01:24.16 | Jerub | lol, the plotline is that toc5 is to train folks for icc |
| 01:24.17 | NeoTron | plus it's fast as hell without the trash |
| 01:24.22 | Dagmar | Folks will probably go for the bigger/shinier place |
| 01:24.24 | Dagmar | Like they always do |
| 01:24.33 | NeoTron | and people will do a lot more random pugs |
| 01:24.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: toc5 heroic will probably have gear tht icc5 does not |
| 01:24.44 | Jerub | and i'll tell them to go hit the toc norm loot pinata before they waste my time in icc ;) |
| 01:24.44 | NeoTron | since people run heroics not for gear but for badges |
| 01:24.51 | Dagmar | Jerub: Hence why I think you should at least have to have done it or been able to do it |
| 01:24.55 | Dagmar | Not just turn 80 and stomp into ICC |
| 01:25.08 | NeoTron | Dagmar: well (un)fortunately that won't be the case |
| 01:25.08 | NightHawkTheSane | i suspect people will be running random heroics anyway most of the time |
| 01:25.15 | NeoTron | have you been sleeping through WotLK/ :P |
| 01:25.16 | Dagmar | NeoTron: We'll see |
| 01:25.17 | NightHawkTheSane | simply for the extra emblems |
| 01:25.23 | Jerub | mmmrandomheroics. |
| 01:25.26 | Jerub | i'm so happy about that. |
| 01:25.34 | NeoTron | also I'd say it's overly rare to run any 5-man without at least a few people with rather decent gear |
| 01:25.36 | Dagmar | Folks aren't doing heroics for badges _before_ they get the gear, I can assure you |
| 01:25.41 | NeoTron | and even more rare to run them with people that are new level 80s |
| 01:25.44 | Dagmar | Mainly they're getting their asses killed a lot |
| 01:25.46 | Dagmar | heh |
| 01:26.01 | NeoTron | see point above |
| 01:26.10 | NeoTron | and even in mediocre gear, most heroics are a joke |
| 01:26.25 | NeoTron | I mean, I tanked a couple of heroics on my DK 10 minutes after hitting level 80 |
| 01:26.26 | Dagmar | Skill > gear, or at least it should be and is most of the time |
| 01:26.36 | Dagmar | Lots and lots of gear > skill tho |
| 01:26.36 | NeoTron | with like 20k health and quest items for tank gear |
| 01:26.37 | Jerub | I might be weird, but a) I armory everyone I invite to a pug and b) if I have 4 geared guys in the group, i'll pick the worst geared guy in LFG as the 5th man. |
| 01:26.48 | Dagmar | Blizz needs to make more skill-dependent places, just to piss off the 25-man zerging guilds |
| 01:27.02 | NeoTron | and that was on a DK so I had no gear from pre-LK |
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| 01:27.18 | Jerub | Dagmar: yeah, more heigans. ;) |
| 01:27.18 | NeoTron | my warlock entered 10 Naxx 10 minutes after hitting level 80 and did over 3k dps on patchwerk |
| 01:27.29 | NightHawkTheSane | no, heigan isn't really a skill cehck |
| 01:27.35 | NeoTron | with pretty much exclusive SWP/T6 gear |
| 01:27.38 | NightHawkTheSane | well, it is.. |
| 01:27.49 | WobWork | It's a latency check =( |
| 01:27.51 | NightHawkTheSane | but if 3/4 of your raid fails, you can still kill the boss, and they still get loot |
| 01:28.01 | WobWork | as is frogger |
| 01:28.03 | NightHawkTheSane | all it takes is 3 non laggy nonn-retarted people |
| 01:28.11 | WobWork | except we tend to shamanise frogger |
| 01:28.17 | Jerub | WobWork: ah, frogger, the deadliest boss in naxx. |
| 01:28.28 | WobWork | Jerub: all you need is a few shaman! |
| 01:28.42 | Jerub | WobWork: how does that work? |
| 01:28.45 | NeoTron | so as much as it sort of diminishes accomplishment - i.e the feeling "WOW we finally killed Illidan!" - it doesn't seem to be bad for the game |
| 01:28.46 | WobWork | totemtotemtotem*plonk* |
| 01:28.51 | WobWork | everyone can walk through =P |
| 01:28.53 | Jerub | usually, i just go to the other side of frogger and res folks who die. |
| 01:28.57 | NightHawkTheSane | do totems burst the slimes? |
| 01:29.00 | NightHawkTheSane | didnt know that |
| 01:29.00 | WobWork | yep |
| 01:29.03 | WobWork | and they don't die |
| 01:29.03 | NeoTron | the amount of raid pugging now is outstandingly amaing, even if a lot of it is bad |
| 01:29.16 | Jerub | I pugged 25toc the other night |
| 01:29.18 | WobWork | placing them right takes a bit of practise though |
| 01:29.19 | Bruners | you can 3 man heigan |
| 01:29.23 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: yeah, i can regularly get toc-25 pugs |
| 01:29.30 | Jerub | of course we only managed 2 bosses in 2.5 hours, but you get that. |
| 01:29.32 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: of course, 75% of them don't get past twin valks |
| 01:29.40 | NightHawkTheSane | and i've yet to kill anub-25 |
| 01:29.47 | Jerub | my ideal pug is a guild run with an incomplete 10 or 25man team. |
| 01:29.56 | NeoTron | my new guild runs a gdkp (gold dkp) toc 25 weekly now |
| 01:30.07 | NightHawkTheSane | gdkp |
| 01:30.07 | NightHawkTheSane | ? |
| 01:30.20 | NightHawkTheSane | rather, what does gold dkp mean? |
| 01:31.08 | NeoTron | not only do we succeed without wipes but we make money and have very high quality players |
| 01:31.12 | NeoTron | it means every item is bought |
| 01:31.44 | NeoTron | and ll the money is added up and divided evently in the end |
| 01:31.46 | Bruners | what is the price to join ? |
| 01:31.52 | NeoTron | 0 |
| 01:32.04 | NeoTron | but our run requires provable 10k gold |
| 01:32.12 | NightHawkTheSane | so is it free bidding on items? |
| 01:32.15 | NeoTron | so you don't just join to make moey without intent to buy |
| 01:32.19 | Bruners | so i could actually join in and just make money ? |
| 01:32.27 | NeoTron | 500 gold minimum bid, 100 gold increments |
| 01:32.37 | NightHawkTheSane | interesting |
| 01:32.43 | NeoTron | the three runs I've been on so far nothinhg dropped that I won |
| 01:32.53 | NeoTron | so I made 1500g, 2000g and 2500g or so between the runs |
| 01:33.06 | NightHawkTheSane | thats actually a really good idea |
| 01:33.13 | NeoTron | some items can go for 15-25k each like trinkets |
| 01:33.19 | NightHawkTheSane | out of curiosity, how do you prove that someone has 10kg? |
| 01:33.22 | NeoTron | trade |
| 01:33.27 | NeoTron | open trade, enter 10000g |
| 01:33.29 | NeoTron | close trade |
| 01:33.35 | NightHawkTheSane | fair enough |
| 01:33.51 | NeoTron | thye might not intend to bid but you can't control that |
| 01:33.55 | WobWork | you can't do that if you don't have the gold? |
| 01:34.09 | NeoTron | WobWork: if you have really good gear and can help carry perhaps |
| 01:34.14 | NeoTron | but that'd be up to whomever runs it |
| 01:34.19 | WobWork | the gold trade show thing |
| 01:34.25 | NeoTron | right |
| 01:34.33 | WobWork | how does that work? |
| 01:34.37 | NeoTron | well I don't think so |
| 01:34.46 | WobWork | does blizzard check on keystroke if the number exceeds your funds? |
| 01:34.51 | NeoTron | I don't actually know |
| 01:35.00 | NeoTron | it's possible you need to hit "confirm" on your end or something |
| 01:35.03 | WobWork | cause you're not actually hittin 'trade' are you? |
| 01:35.08 | WobWork | that sounds ... foolish =P |
| 01:35.09 | NeoTron | I don't lead it |
| 01:35.16 | NeoTron | but you have to trust the raid leader |
| 01:35.17 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, ok, i wouldn't confirm that. :P |
| 01:35.21 | WobWork | cause by god, I'd be hammering 'trade' too =) |
| 01:35.22 | NeoTron | all the money goes to him |
| 01:35.41 | NeoTron | in the end of the riad he might be sitting with 25-75k gold |
| 01:36.48 | NeoTron | but if you see the end result, people often pay a lot more to for example craft a chestpiece than it'd cost to buy an equivalent piece |
| 01:37.09 | NeoTron | its nice though too since you have so much leverage |
| 01:37.11 | Bruners | if you have 421 gold you can type more than 421, if you try to type 422 the last digit is removed |
| 01:37.27 | Dagmar | In other words, they're selling loot to people who suck |
| 01:37.31 | NeoTron | if people misbehave or plain yout suck (like they wipe you) you can kick them or withhold their share (making the rules clear beforehand of course) |
| 01:37.52 | NeoTron | Dagmar: some small degree but for the most part, no |
| 01:38.06 | WobWork | interesting format |
| 01:38.07 | Dagmar | So these people could get this gear without paying 10k gold? |
| 01:38.14 | WobWork | not that I'd ever have 10k gold spare |
| 01:38.19 | NeoTron | remember, although there are exceptions, people that usck also usually don't have 10-50k to spend |
| 01:38.30 | Dagmar | Wrong. |
| 01:38.32 | Bruners | i have 20k gold to spare |
| 01:38.36 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: well, not spare, but if you dont bid more than you're willing to spend... |
| 01:38.46 | Dagmar | Folks who tamper with the auction house will easily have 10k gold |
| 01:38.49 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: well, not even enough to prove viability =) |
| 01:38.57 | Dagmar | Heck, I'm almost back at 10k gold again just from screwing around with enchant scrolls |
| 01:38.58 | NeoTron | our best buyer was a mage in ilevel 245/258 gear that just wanted the caster trinket |
| 01:39.02 | NeoTron | he did like 11k dps on twins |
| 01:39.02 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: well there's that :) |
| 01:39.20 | Dagmar | Why didn't he just go with his guild? That's weird |
| 01:39.25 | WobWork | I have so many alts I need to epic fly up |
| 01:39.26 | WobWork | =( |
| 01:39.28 | NeoTron | usually hte buyers are either well geared, experienced mains wanting a specific item or alts of well geared mains |
| 01:39.44 | Bruners | Xinhuan did that on his alt |
| 01:39.56 | Bruners | got all BiS from naxxramas before ulduar |
| 01:39.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: probably because he could leverage a large sum of cash he had to get the specific item |
| 01:39.58 | Shirik | so you spend DKP on something you're going to vendor? |
| 01:39.59 | Shirik | or? |
| 01:40.00 | WobWork | yeah well Xinhuin is ridiculously rich |
| 01:40.05 | NeoTron | Dagmar: he sat out that week (from normal) I believe and obviously hadn't gotten the drop from the guild run |
| 01:40.26 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 01:40.31 | Legorol | I really love the sound of that format |
| 01:40.48 | NeoTron | it's a very common raid model for pugs in asian realms apparently |
| 01:40.48 | Dagmar | I know a friend of mines guild was trying that, and then quit because they were getting people who didn't speak english so well |
| 01:40.54 | NeoTron | having been used there for years |
| 01:41.10 | NightHawkTheSane | [insert obvious joke here] |
| 01:41.18 | NeoTron | ironically though, in TOC doing the loot takes the longest |
| 01:41.27 | Dagmar | No sense in running a big epic instance just for IGN, even if they're ponying up gold |
| 01:41.27 | NeoTron | killing the bosses is fast and there's no trash |
| 01:41.33 | Dagmar | s/IGN/IGE/; |
| 01:41.44 | NeoTron | I'd not say this is a gold farmer benefit |
| 01:41.48 | Legorol | heh, gem prices sometimes are crazy... TBC uncommons are selling for more than WotLK rares (raw gems) |
| 01:41.53 | Legorol | naturally it's because of people leveling their JC |
| 01:41.54 | NeoTron | unless they are there to make money and not spend |
| 01:42.20 | NeoTron | we've had asian players |
| 01:42.32 | NeoTron | but there's at least one or two primarily asian raiding guilds on the server I believe |
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| 01:46.28 | Shirik | I'm still a bit confused |
| 01:46.38 | Shirik | you use DKP to buy items that you're going to vendor? |
| 01:46.44 | Shirik | Where does the "split everything up" come from? |
| 01:47.01 | Shirik | (20:31:28) (NeoTron) and ll the money is added up and divided evently in the end |
| 01:47.23 | Legorol | Shirik: they don't use DKP (in the point sense) |
| 01:47.27 | Legorol | they bid on items, with real gold |
| 01:47.37 | Legorol | the amount paid for an item from a participant goes to the raid leader |
| 01:47.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: you're hung up on the "dkp" part |
| 01:47.43 | Shirik | OH |
| 01:47.43 | Shirik | ok |
| 01:47.49 | Legorol | at the end, the raid leader sums up all the gold, and divides evenly among the participants |
| 01:47.57 | Shirik | I thought it was a way to dump DKP |
| 01:48.07 | NightHawkTheSane | no, its just treating gold as if it were dkp |
| 01:48.15 | Shirik | interesting |
| 01:48.18 | Legorol | I think that's an overuse of the word "DKP" |
| 01:48.27 | Legorol | it's not like every bidding system in existence must be called DKP |
| 01:48.33 | NightHawkTheSane | well |
| 01:48.33 | NeoTron | indeed |
| 01:48.36 | Shirik | IT MUST! |
| 01:48.39 | Shirik | I WANT MY DKPS! |
| 01:48.39 | Corrodias | do you have another, popular, convenient acronym? |
| 01:48.45 | NightHawkTheSane | it basically is zero sum dkp |
| 01:48.45 | Legorol | sure, "bid" |
| 01:48.49 | Lopeppeppy | Lootski! |
| 01:48.53 | Shirik | And besides, if we didn't call it that, how could we do "50 DKP MINUS" |
| 01:48.54 | NightHawkTheSane | except your "points" in this case are gold |
| 01:48.54 | Corrodias | bid is pretty general |
| 01:48.58 | NeoTron | indeed it is |
| 01:49.01 | Legorol | They are using a, surprise, "bidding" system |
| 01:49.03 | Corrodias | how many bid points did i get this run? |
| 01:49.09 | Bruners | i prefer epgp at the moment |
| 01:49.11 | NeoTron | it's a simole automated auction system |
| 01:49.25 | Corrodias | go to the auction house and spend your bid points |
| 01:49.27 | NeoTron | this system is specifically intended to make good pug raids |
| 01:49.31 | Legorol | you are missing the point >.< |
| 01:49.31 | NeoTron | and it worked so far |
| 01:49.46 | Legorol | The description started off with the word "DKP" |
| 01:49.50 | Legorol | even though it doesn't use any points |
| 01:49.53 | Corrodias | ah |
| 01:50.05 | NeoTron | it's commonly referred to as GDKP or Gold DKP |
| 01:50.08 | Corrodias | i suppose it -is- stretching the definition at that point |
| 01:50.12 | NeoTron | didn't make the term up |
| 01:50.26 | Legorol | that's fine NeoTron |
| 01:50.31 | Yssaril | NeoTron: i have always know it as gold bid |
| 01:50.38 | Legorol | but what i meant is, why use the term "DKP" to refer to "bidding system" in general |
| 01:50.48 | Legorol | i know it's not your fault |
| 01:50.55 | Legorol | people use crazy naming conventions all the time |
| 01:51.00 | Legorol | like calling Emblems as Badges |
| 01:51.05 | NeoTron | to be exact |
| 01:51.11 | Legorol | I routinely screw with people's heads that want Badges, I tell them to bugger off to Karazhan |
| 01:51.18 | NeoTron | why do we call it DRAGON Kill Points when we really don't kill that many dragons? |
| 01:51.57 | Legorol | because the acronym "DKP" refers to a collection of point-based bidding systems, which have been used (and named that way) for a long time |
| 01:52.07 | Legorol | but once you go from points to gold, i think it loses its applicability |
| 01:52.36 | Legorol | personally, i agree that the Dragon part is obsolete ^^ |
| 01:52.50 | Corrodias | you make onyxia feel bad |
| 01:53.01 | NightHawkTheSane | she is obsolete though. even now :P |
| 01:53.17 | Shirik | Beware the DKP. HC SVNT DRACONES |
| 01:53.21 | NeoTron | so I did a pug monday and a pug tuesday for ony |
| 01:53.30 | NeoTron | the difference was rather stunning |
| 01:53.43 | NeoTron | lesson learned is to never pug onyxia on mondays if you want to see her actually die |
| 01:53.59 | Legorol | lol |
| 01:54.06 | Bruners | just dont pug with totally random people without checking them out first |
| 01:54.23 | Shirik | Bruners: Question |
| 01:54.26 | NeoTron | Bruners: takes long enough to find a pug as it is. I can't validate the quality of the members of the pug |
| 01:54.26 | Legorol | Offtopic: a thought just occured to me. You know how rep tokens will be BoA in 3.3? What happens if I stockpile them now on live |
| 01:54.30 | Shirik | Be warned: There is no answer to this that can make me happy |
| 01:54.33 | Legorol | I gotta check if the item IDs are the same or not |
| 01:54.35 | Shirik | HOW do you go about checking them out? |
| 01:54.46 | NeoTron | Shirik: easy. Gearscore. ;-) |
| 01:54.59 | Legorol | ~lart neOliv |
| 01:54.59 | purl | holds neOliv to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails |
| 01:55.01 | Legorol | oops |
| 01:55.02 | Shirik | I can't tell if that's a serious answer or if you knew it was going to make me mad |
| 01:55.05 | Legorol | ~lart Neotron |
| 01:55.05 | purl | teaches Neotron that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. |
| 01:55.06 | NeoTron | Shirik: the way I check them out is to do an attempt and see if it's a kill, close or a clusterfuck |
| 01:55.13 | Legorol | Shirik: I'm totally with you! |
| 01:55.15 | NeoTron | if it's the latter I might give it another try maybe two before I bail |
| 01:55.16 | Legorol | Die GS, die! |
| 01:55.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: i'm pretty sure the smiley indicates the latte r:P |
| 01:55.24 | Bruners | Shirik: i heard some people do it with the armory, LFM_Sniffer and other tools. Also there is the option to ask them about the fight |
| 01:55.30 | NeoTron | Shirik: note the ";-)" |
| 01:55.46 | Shirik | once again, we come down to "gear implies skill" |
| 01:55.49 | NeoTron | mainly though, go in and see how the pug goes |
| 01:55.58 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 01:55.59 | Legorol | having said that, let's apply some science to the situation, and involve some Bayesian statistics |
| 01:56.01 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont gearcheck anyone in a pug |
| 01:56.02 | Shirik | or "no gear implies no skill" |
| 01:56.02 | NeoTron | also if you wipe or nearly wipe doing the trash, that is a very bad sign |
| 01:56.18 | Shirik | formally "if and only if player has gear, then player has skill" |
| 01:56.23 | NightHawkTheSane | with the exception that if someones gear is -vastly- lower than the level of the instance |
| 01:56.31 | Legorol | consider the following: ability to perform in a raid does correlate with gear level, even though you could argue a lot about the level of correlation |
| 01:56.34 | NightHawkTheSane | (ie, dont be coming to raids in full greens for the love of god) |
| 01:56.36 | NeoTron | Shirik: that used to be true, for the most part, in BC |
| 01:56.43 | Shirik | maybe a little |
| 01:56.43 | Bruners | Shirik: you seem to screw the last part of my answer |
| 01:56.53 | Shirik | but I still raided a lot with people that had no idea what they were doing |
| 01:56.55 | Legorol | also consider this: given zero information about a player, being predisposed towards a statistic that shows non-zero correlation with success is a scientifically sound approach |
| 01:56.58 | Shirik | but we killed illidan |
| 01:57.13 | Legorol | even if there is no causality, as long as there is correlation, it is justified to use it |
| 01:57.19 | NeoTron | but probably took a while to get there? |
| 01:57.19 | Legorol | having said that, Die GS, Die!!! |
| 01:57.27 | Shirik | well, horde first |
| 01:57.32 | Shirik | but yes, it took too long |
| 01:57.36 | NeoTron | even so the best way to go in a random pug is to give it a few wipes |
| 01:57.44 | NeoTron | it's easi to determine if it will be fail or not, given that |
| 01:58.05 | Jerub | I'm so glad dath'remar/horde doesn't "do" gear score. |
| 01:58.25 | Jerub | a few faction transfers have mentioned it on trade and the response is, "what's gearscore?" |
| 01:58.40 | Bruners | Shirik: your tank or healer can be as skilled as they want to be but without gear they cant do the job |
| 01:58.45 | Legorol | I go by the following mantra: my realm and faction luckily has a strong PvE population. A random sample of people wanting to pug tends to create reasonable groups. |
| 01:58.56 | Legorol | I therefore don't ask for GS or achis, and simply hope I don't get the unlucky sample |
| 01:59.01 | Legorol | Usually it works out perfectly fine |
| 01:59.03 | Shirik | I strongly disagree |
| 01:59.08 | NeoTron | we had a tank on ony that died a few seconds in |
| 01:59.14 | Shirik | I have a lot of evidence to back up that healers without gear can do fairly well |
| 01:59.17 | NightHawkTheSane | also, people who ask for an achievement for the instance they're doing really fucking piss me off. |
| 01:59.23 | Legorol | Shirik: healers can. Tanks often can't. |
| 01:59.24 | Shirik | I won't try to cite that now as it would take way too long |
| 01:59.29 | Shirik | sure, but I don't care about tanks |
| 01:59.29 | Bruners | Shirik: fairly well but not good enough |
| 01:59.31 | Shirik | I'm a healing lead |
| 01:59.33 | Shirik | Yes, well enough |
| 01:59.34 | NeoTron | but I thin the real cause for death was the tank running her in with his back to her |
| 01:59.41 | Bruners | Shirik: this really depends what boss we are talking about |
| 01:59.41 | Shirik | well enough to go "wtf I need this guy" |
| 01:59.43 | Legorol | Obvious example: if the tank doesn't have enough Hp to survive a single hit from boss's special X, then you can't do the boss. |
| 01:59.57 | NeoTron | but even so onyxia hits hard |
| 02:00.14 | Shirik | I would have to list nearly every end boss we've fought in the last 3 years to be able to finish the argument |
| 02:00.14 | Legorol | good healers can make up for poor tanks, and vice versa |
| 02:00.18 | NeoTron | I went in tanking her in gear that was a mix between ulduar 10 and 25 (about 50/50) and I almost died several times, with good healers |
| 02:00.25 | Jerub | I armory H toc groups, other groups that are LF1M gtg I'll just take. |
| 02:00.32 | Shirik | Legorol: When the tank dies, it's a healer's fault. When the healer dies, it's a tank's fault :) |
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| 02:00.38 | Shirik | not always true, but close enough |
| 02:00.43 | Legorol | I agree with Shirik that gear and skill compensate for each other much more than people generally give credit for. |
| 02:00.55 | Legorol | I know and like that mantra too, Shirik |
| 02:00.56 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 02:01.04 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, they do |
| 02:01.12 | Shirik | The problem is the severe lack of skill leads people to believe skill is useless |
| 02:01.14 | NightHawkTheSane | but there are limits at which point skill cannot make up for a gear deficit |
| 02:01.21 | Legorol | ofc |
| 02:01.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: those people are idiots, though. |
| 02:01.34 | Legorol | and Shirik, i wouldn't necessarily call it lack of skill. |
| 02:01.39 | Legorol | nor idiot people |
| 02:01.46 | Shirik | I mean in the pool |
| 02:01.49 | Legorol | What I would say is this: WoW has a huge player base, far bigger than any computer game. |
| 02:01.49 | NeoTron | bad leadership can kill a pug too |
| 02:01.52 | Shirik | there are gems that are generally discarded |
| 02:01.55 | Legorol | Therefore not everyone is a keen gamer |
| 02:01.59 | Shirik | or less seen |
| 02:02.05 | NeoTron | like I did that monday Ony and the leader kept saying how deep breath is killing us |
| 02:02.12 | NeoTron | multiple times in multiple tries |
| 02:02.16 | Legorol | There are many people going into raids that never played a video game before |
| 02:02.21 | NeoTron | when in fact we had a total of like 2-4 deaths from DB |
| 02:02.35 | NeoTron | every other death was from small or large adds killing people... mostly with melee |
| 02:02.39 | NeoTron | i.e horribad tanks |
| 02:02.42 | Dagmar | Legorol: You go into Darkest Africa to do your recruiting in the mud huts? |
| 02:02.43 | Legorol | Also, there is a very steep skill learning curve in endgame, compared to leveling |
| 02:02.56 | Legorol | Dagmar: i'm not talking about darkest africa |
| 02:03.04 | Legorol | I'm talking about your average WoW player |
| 02:03.17 | Dagmar | I find it VERY hard to believe they've never played a video game before |
| 02:03.18 | Shirik | lua> math.log(0) |
| 02:03.19 | lua_bot | Shirik: -inf |
| 02:03.27 | Shirik | is it -inf or +/- inf? |
| 02:03.28 | NeoTron | Dagmar: they do exist |
| 02:03.33 | Legorol | At the end of the day: things that make boss encounters challenging are, for the most part, overcome by gear instead of attention to detail or understanding of the fight. |
| 02:03.34 | Shirik | oh, -inf = -n, nm |
| 02:03.41 | NeoTron | Dagmar: although games like bejeweled often are included |
| 02:03.43 | Dagmar | Only if someone's like, seven, is that not an entirely uncommon and bordering on unnatural thing |
| 02:03.55 | NeoTron | Dagmar: you must be young? |
| 02:04.05 | Dagmar | No, I'm not. |
| 02:04.21 | Dagmar | I actually have the excuse that video games didn't EXIST when I was seven. |
| 02:04.24 | Legorol | I was referring to games of skill, as opposed to facebook or Sims :P |
| 02:04.37 | NeoTron | there are a lot of people not playing games |
| 02:04.41 | Legorol | Something as simple as pacman would suffice |
| 02:04.49 | NeoTron | and I'd say there are quite a few people that started really seriously playing games with WoW |
| 02:04.54 | Legorol | but yes, there are a lot who started WoW who haven't even done that before |
| 02:04.59 | NeoTron | or at least as Legorol, games like wow |
| 02:05.01 | Legorol | i agree with NeoTron |
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| 02:05.29 | Legorol | there are also a huge number of people who join WoW for the social reason, or cuteness, or fantasy and adventure, or whatever |
| 02:05.30 | NeoTron | it's 100% proven that the majority of wow players actually didn't play an mmorpg before |
| 02:05.36 | Legorol | they then get to endgame, and are baffled |
| 02:05.40 | Dagmar | There may be a lot of people not actively playing video games, but most people have played video games before they've reached age 10 |
| 02:05.42 | NeoTron | statistically there's no other way due to sheer number of players relative to other mmorpgs |
| 02:05.44 | Dagmar | Half of them have Nintendos |
| 02:05.55 | Bruners | wow was my first mmorpg |
| 02:05.59 | Legorol | Neotron: that's not hard to prove, given there are more WoW subsribers than there were MMO subscribers before WoW came out ;) |
| 02:06.12 | NeoTron | Legorol: that's sort of what I meant yes |
| 02:06.14 | Bruners | didnt really play much rpg games either |
| 02:06.46 | Legorol | I agree that most people probably have encountered video games, and probably played them |
| 02:06.54 | NeoTron | Dagmar: I got my first computer at age 8 or so. it was a ZX Spectrum with 16 KB of memory |
| 02:06.56 | Legorol | but the majority probably never played them for challenge or skill |
| 02:06.58 | NeoTron | I never owned a nintendo |
| 02:07.11 | NeoTron | we did have a game console with pong on it though |
| 02:07.15 | Legorol | i never owned one too, although i played quite a few of them on PC emulators ^^ |
| 02:07.28 | Legorol | NeoTron: ZX ftw! |
| 02:07.28 | NeoTron | good old, original, classic pong |
| 02:07.34 | Legorol | My first one was a C64, at age 6 |
| 02:07.43 | amro | what's the difference between Application Data and Local Settings\Application Data? |
| 02:07.45 | NeoTron | my friend had a C64 |
| 02:08.00 | Bruners | good old C64 |
| 02:08.08 | Legorol | amro: App Data is supposed to be synched in a networked environment (think domain), Local Settings not, if i remember right |
| 02:08.21 | NeoTron | we later got an Amiga 1000 (very shortly before the Amiga 500 and 2000 game out, which actually was annoyingly bad for future upgrades) |
| 02:08.28 | amro | Legorol: thanks |
| 02:08.34 | Legorol | amro: i'm not 100% on it though |
| 02:08.39 | Legorol | and on a standalone PC it makes no difference |
| 02:08.45 | Shirik | I had an N64 |
| 02:08.49 | Shirik | N > C |
| 02:08.50 | NeoTron | my next computer that I owned I bought in 1996 (Pentium 166) |
| 02:08.55 | Legorol | lol Shirik |
| 02:09.13 | NeoTron | my first ever game console that I owned, vs just played in the store sometimes or rented, was a PS2 |
| 02:09.34 | Legorol | What I find amusing: in my lifetime, computers evolved so rapidly, that the maximum size limit of a single Java application on an old mobile phone model is the same as the total memory capacity of my first computer. Namely 64 Kb. |
| 02:09.37 | NeoTron | Dagmar: and my first nintendo owned is a Wii :P |
| 02:10.03 | Shirik | I had a Sega Genesis |
| 02:10.04 | NeoTron | Legorol: 4x the memory of my first computer! |
| 02:10.07 | Shirik | I think that was my first console |
| 02:10.20 | Shirik | first computer was a 486 |
| 02:10.56 | NeoTron | I still used my Amiga 1000 at home in the 1994-1996ish timeframe |
| 02:12.41 | NeoTron | wonder how many more times as powerful my iphone is than my Amiga was |
| 02:13.13 | Lopeppeppy | I can't remember what my first computer was, it was my brother's, back in the 80's |
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| 02:14.53 | amro | is there a way to get a decent terminal+shell on windows? |
| 02:16.00 | Shirik | ok this is officially awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oEtA8aVGjg&feature=related |
| 02:16.05 | Shirik | amro: Cygwin |
| 02:16.12 | Dagmar | Shirik++ |
| 02:17.56 | Legorol | What am I missing: what API function can I use to get the item ID of a potential quest reward of a quest in my log? |
| 02:18.06 | Legorol | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetQuestLogChoiceInfo doesn't provide ID |
| 02:20.19 | Shirik | I log into a guild I haven't been with in a while, and I ask "Where's <some guy>?" |
| 02:20.29 | Shirik | and 3 people say "He died" and one person says "A cookie killed him" |
| 02:20.46 | Shirik | so now I can't tell if they're being serious, if he just left, or if he's just not online |
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| 02:26.01 | Zyn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ |
| 02:26.03 | Zyn | ":|" |
| 02:26.10 | Legorol | Hm, have I misunderstood something? I thought I read somewhere that reputation commendations (such as Sons of Hodir Commendation Badge) will be BoA. |
| 02:26.16 | Legorol | I guess I misread something |
| 02:26.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: dunno abot that, but i remember seeing that head and shoulder enchants were being made boa?? |
| 02:26.55 | Legorol | Or is it just the rep reward head enchants that will be BoA? |
| 02:27.08 | Legorol | yah that's on PTR already, woot |
| 02:27.14 | Legorol | so i guess there isn't much reason to grind rep on an alt |
| 02:27.25 | NightHawkTheSane | not unless you want one of the items/recipes |
| 02:27.37 | Legorol | items you probably don't, recipes might do |
| 02:27.38 | NightHawkTheSane | or achievement, or what-have-you |
| 02:27.40 | Legorol | yah |
| 02:27.49 | Legorol | phew, it's good thing i misread it |
| 02:27.52 | NightHawkTheSane | but you wont be fucked for your tank alt because AD rep sucks |
| 02:27.58 | NightHawkTheSane | (or what-have-you) |
| 02:27.59 | Legorol | i was going to stock up Emblems of Triumph to buy rep tokens for alts |
| 02:28.06 | Legorol | now that i know that that's not coming, I'll sell Orbz\ |
| 02:28.42 | ZorbaTHut | I've really got to try healing some heroics on my druid before Cataclysm hits |
| 02:28.56 | Legorol | and i should do at least the alliance quests in Kalimdor before Cataclysm! |
| 02:29.04 | Legorol | nvm doing horde, i will not get around to that :( |
| 02:29.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i need to get my druid drug through some toc/heroic toc so i can build up a caster set |
| 02:29.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i want to drop one of my feral specs for eitehr resto or balance |
| 02:29.33 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: i felt the same-ish, i'm leveling my priest now that i have a bazillion heirlooms for her |
| 02:30.06 | NightHawkTheSane | (well, not drug through, his feral gear's good enough to tank/dps it, but i need casters who aren't going to roll on shit :P) |
| 02:30.37 | Seerah | did someone say something about cookies ? |
| 02:30.51 | NightHawkTheSane | gives Seerah some oatmeal raisin cookies |
| 02:30.55 | Seerah | blech |
| 02:31.01 | NightHawkTheSane | :( |
| 02:31.08 | Seerah | not cause they came from you |
| 02:31.18 | Seerah | just... oatmeal... and raisin... and... blech :) |
| 02:32.00 | Seerah | how was tmbg, NHTS? |
| 02:32.08 | NightHawkTheSane | A-MA-ZING |
| 02:32.11 | NightHawkTheSane | :D |
| 02:32.18 | Seerah | wow - 3 syllables good |
| 02:32.21 | Seerah | :) |
| 02:32.31 | Seerah | how large a venue was it? |
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| 02:32.46 | NightHawkTheSane | ah.. smallish, i guess. |
| 02:32.48 | Seerah | tackles Funkeh` |
| 02:32.59 | NightHawkTheSane | hardly stadium size, more like.. high school gym sized. |
| 02:33.03 | kd3 | ok wow |
| 02:33.08 | kd3 | halls of reflection is damn awesome |
| 02:33.08 | Seerah | NightHawkTheSane: was just curious - seems smaller would be better with them :) |
| 02:33.22 | kd3 | a reverse gauntlet |
| 02:33.22 | Funkeh` | huggles Seerah |
| 02:33.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Seerah: yeah, i mean we were still close to the rear of hte venue, but it was still close enough you had a decent view |
| 02:34.06 | NightHawkTheSane | i thought it was a good size |
| 02:34.09 | Seerah | :) |
| 02:34.29 | NightHawkTheSane | they played for close to 2 hours straight, too |
| 02:34.36 | Seerah | nice |
| 02:35.26 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, they played all the flood album, but mixed in other songs along the way, which kinda surprised me, but worked prety well |
| 02:36.47 | NightHawkTheSane | also, it was an over 21 venue, with a bar, which was awesome. |
| 02:36.56 | NightHawkTheSane | even if the drinks were hella expensive. :\ |
| 02:37.33 | NiLon | is there somekind "code" like {skull} to make gold, silver and copper marks? and is there complete list of those all somewhere? |
| 02:40.21 | NightHawkTheSane | not afaik |
| 02:40.27 | Bruners | is it just on grim batol there is a serious ammount of portugese players? |
| 02:44.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Bruners: its entirely possible. its not uncommon for sub-populations like that to occur. |
| 02:44.53 | NightHawkTheSane | there's a handful of servers US-side that are somewhat well known for having large populations of mexican players. |
| 02:45.25 | Bruners | its starting to get annoying when half the trade chat is portugese (no idea how it's spelled) |
| 02:45.53 | Bruners | NightHawkTheSane: doesnt the mexicans has their own servers? |
| 02:46.09 | Bruners | esMX ? |
| 02:46.24 | NightHawkTheSane | not sure abou servers, but if so thats relatively recent |
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| 02:46.36 | Seerah | they don't have their own servers, just locale |
| 02:46.45 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ this is what i thought |
| 02:46.56 | Seerah | I think they're on the latin/south american servers |
| 02:47.07 | Seerah | if that's what you meant, though |
| 02:47.49 | Bruners | aha, i thought having a locale version of the game ment they had their own servers |
| 02:48.08 | Antiarc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulbotKa5LnM#t=4m18 |
| 02:48.32 | Shirik | nah |
| 02:48.41 | Shirik | Germans do not deserve their own game servers |
| 02:48.46 | Shirik | they do not even deserve their own locale |
| 02:48.53 | Shirik | they should l2english |
| 02:49.02 | Shirik | all trying to steal english and turn it into some bastardized language they call German |
| 02:49.06 | Shirik | s/english/American/ |
| 02:49.21 | Seerah | quit trolling and get back to work :p |
| 02:50.19 | Bruners | its not as bad as it was pre russian servers but i bet it will get there |
| 02:53.49 | Bruners | if you join one of their groups they only write portugese or spew out some english words that don't make sense |
| 02:54.56 | Bruners | not to mention the number on ninja cases which involve protugese speaking players |
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| 03:02.36 | Shirik | "The percent errors seemed high which would indicate that the discharge equation does not work for a resistor." <- Student writing in their report that, when using an equation for capacitors, a high percent error occurred on a circuit with only resistors |
| 03:02.50 | Shirik | I'm not sure whether to mark off for that or add points |
| 03:09.27 | Dagmar | 1/3 of the former, 2/3 of the latter. |
| 03:09.43 | Dagmar | He really could have put a few seconds into that sentence to make it less incoherent. |
| 03:10.36 | Dagmar | ...although frankly I'd withold the 1/3 and handle it with some slight mockery. |
| 03:11.40 | Dagmar | He'll go far keeping an open enough mind to even think of things that way |
| 03:17.38 | kd3 | oh wow. they've phased the isle of quel'danas while on the quel'danar chain |
| 03:22.25 | Antiarc | Gotta re-use that old content! |
| 03:23.02 | Dagmar | That and all those nelf place names start to run together after awhile |
| 03:24.01 | Legorol | uhm... how is the isle of quel'danas a nelf place? |
| 03:24.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Xelf. :P |
| 03:24.18 | Legorol | it was a highelf place, turned into a bloodelf one |
| 03:24.21 | Legorol | no NE set foot in there |
| 03:24.25 | Legorol | except players |
| 03:24.35 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft elves are all the same |
| 03:24.38 | NightHawkTheSane | pointy eared whores :P |
| 03:24.41 | Legorol | say that to an elf! |
| 03:24.46 | Dagmar | Far as I'm concerned, they've got pointy ears, they're taller than me, they're a nelf. |
| 03:24.47 | Legorol | you'll get yourself pierced with those points |
| 03:24.56 | Legorol | dagmar, at least leave off the N |
| 03:25.06 | Legorol | there are less Nelves around than Helves or Belves |
| 03:25.28 | Legorol | although they probably beat Helves by now |
| 03:25.28 | Dagmar | Yeah you're not having to look at dancing nelf twinks when you go to the mailbox |
| 03:25.47 | Legorol | do you? |
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| 03:25.57 | Legorol | i mean, are you getting paid to look or something? if not, why look :P |
| 03:26.26 | Jerub | i've taken to standing my mammoth on mailboxes in dal. |
| 03:27.50 | kd3 | rofl. the entire island is phased. there's no hostile mobs anywhere |
| 03:28.03 | Dagmar | In a sense, I am being paid to look, because I can't get my GOLD from the mailbox without clicking around some prancing nelf |
| 03:28.14 | Dagmar | Don' stand between a dwwarf and his gold. |
| 03:28.20 | kd3 | including, say, brutallus |
| 03:28.22 | kd3 | >.> |
| 03:29.32 | Dagmar | Yay easy achievement for fishing in Brutallus's private loo |
| 03:30.04 | kd3 | lol |
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| 03:35.19 | airtonix | ~alert |
| 03:35.20 | purl | I'm falling asleep listening to you boring morons... |
| 03:35.35 | airtonix | ~rage |
| 03:35.36 | purl | hmm... rage is a warrior's infinite mana bar. |
| 03:41.36 | Shirik | This is why I love Visual Studio |
| 03:41.42 | Shirik | Want something to compile? Just tell it to ignore the errors |
| 03:41.48 | Shirik | warning LNK4088: image being generated due to /FORCE option; image may not run |
| 03:46.24 | Dagmar | *facepalm* |
| 03:46.43 | airtonix | lol win32 crc error at line shirik lol |
| 03:46.49 | airtonix | bluescreen |
| 03:46.50 | airtonix | rage |
| 03:50.47 | Adys | line shirik? |
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| 03:51.41 | Shirik | Adys: I turned that option on forcefully because my libs are corrupt; I need to fix them |
| 03:51.49 | Shirik | but until then, I can tell it to ignore the problems |
| 03:51.58 | Adys | wut |
| 03:52.09 | Shirik | oh |
| 03:52.13 | Shirik | that wasn't a question at me |
| 03:52.24 | Adys | "line shirik" |
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| 04:02.19 | Shirik | Billy Jean |
| 04:02.21 | Shirik | is not my lover |
| 04:02.35 | Shirik | She's just a girl that claims that I am the one |
| 04:03.00 | Druidicbeast | Can someone take a look at this and tell me why it doesn't work when I log in please. http://wowuidev.pastey.net/128288 |
| 04:05.32 | Bruners | Druidicbeast: think you want more brackets on your function |
| 04:05.50 | NightHawkTheSane | hm |
| 04:06.00 | NightHawkTheSane | you need to be able to set different roles for different instance types in lfg |
| 04:06.37 | Druidicbeast | Bruners, it's strange if I unlock the chat frame and move it any where on screen then reload it works, but not when I first log on say a fresh toon. |
| 04:09.44 | kd3 | oh boo hiss. the murlocs/naga aren't phased |
| 04:10.01 | kd3 | at least they don't have the massive aggro radius they did at 70 |
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| 04:14.34 | Shirik | tackles Iriel |
| 04:14.41 | Iriel | flees |
| 04:17.06 | TC-Away | glares at Shirik |
| 04:19.07 | Shirik | lua> 14.6 |
| 04:19.08 | lua_bot | Shirik: 14.6 |
| 04:19.14 | Shirik | lua> (14.6 + 11) / 2 |
| 04:19.15 | lua_bot | Shirik: 12.8 |
| 04:19.22 | Shirik | Thunder_Child ( |
| 04:19.23 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:19.25 | Shirik | why do you hate me |
| 04:19.30 | Shirik | it's because of my camera huh |
| 04:19.34 | Shirik | you are jealous of my camera |
| 04:20.00 | Iriel | lua> 2 |
| 04:20.01 | lua_bot | Iriel: 2 |
| 04:20.07 | Iriel | lua> (2 + 4) / 2 |
| 04:20.09 | lua_bot | Iriel: 3 |
| 04:20.42 | Iriel | fails to see how that's entertaining |
| 04:20.44 | Shirik | yeah, one of my students said "11% error and 14.6% error average out to 11.97% error" and I was like "that doesn't sound right..." |
| 04:21.02 | Shirik | should have done it privately but Thunder_Child was making fun of me at the same time |
| 04:21.11 | Shirik | and my pipeline thrashed |
| 04:21.18 | Shirik | and got corrupt |
| 04:21.32 | Shirik | next time I will be sure to set the I flag on my processor |
| 04:21.42 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, na, your camera isnt that good |
| 04:21.47 | Shirik | oh snap |
| 04:21.59 | Shirik | an attack on my camera is an attack on me, sir |
| 04:22.02 | Shirik | en garde |
| 04:22.23 | Dagmar | Clearly you don't feel the same kinsmanship with your pocket calculator |
| 04:22.42 | Shirik | does anyone actually own a calculator these days? |
| 04:22.46 | Shirik | I have a TI-89 but that's hardly "pocket" |
| 04:23.16 | Dagmar | eff TI |
| 04:23.20 | Iriel | I have a TI-89 as well, I think |
| 04:23.22 | Iriel | I barely use it |
| 04:23.26 | Dagmar | Sending takedown notices to my friends makes me angry |
| 04:23.41 | Dagmar | Especially for something as freaking pointless as a pocket calculator firmware |
| 04:23.43 | NightHawkTheSane | i have a ti-86, and i use it often, but honestly i only use it for fairly basic arithmatic these days |
| 04:23.44 | Shirik | dmca? |
| 04:23.49 | Dagmar | Shirik: you betcha |
| 04:25.38 | Dagmar | http://www.memestreams.net/thread/bid63210/ |
| 04:27.17 | Iriel | Shirik: Have you checked out Go yet? |
| 04:27.23 | Shirik | go? |
| 04:27.32 | cogwheel | gogo go |
| 04:27.38 | Iriel | http://golang.org/ |
| 04:29.44 | Shirik | It sounds too good to be true |
| 04:30.06 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, does the 15 calcs on my ipod touch count? |
| 04:30.10 | Shirik | I'm sorry, but anyone that says "We can run as fast as C code" already throws a red flag in my head |
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| 04:30.27 | Shirik | no that's kinda my point Thunder_Child, everything has a calculator these days |
| 04:30.33 | Shirik | nobody owns a true 4 function calculator |
| 04:30.47 | Thunder_Child | why would you when you can be more efficent |
| 04:32.42 | Dagmar | I do. |
| 04:32.51 | Dagmar | It's old as hell, but it still works |
| 04:33.23 | Dagmar | I actually had to replace hte batteries in it about ten years ago |
| 04:34.15 | Iriel | My folks have a Sinclair Sovereign at home (just the regular one (chrome)) |
| 04:34.33 | Shirik | I want to learn how to use a slide rule |
| 04:34.56 | Thunder_Child | i have a slide rule |
| 04:34.59 | Thunder_Child | 2 acutally |
| 04:35.00 | Iriel | I used to be able to do most simple stuff with one, but it's gone rusty (my memory) |
| 04:35.05 | Thunder_Child | one is circular |
| 04:35.12 | Shirik | I kinda know how to do multiplication |
| 04:35.18 | Shirik | that's about it though |
| 04:35.42 | Iriel | You get division for free |
| 04:35.46 | Iriel | (ish) |
| 04:35.46 | Iriel | 8-) |
| 04:36.18 | Shirik | yeah I guess |
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| 04:40.09 | Shirik | woah |
| 04:40.10 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 04:40.12 | purl | ~pong |
| 04:40.20 | Shirik | power just died at school |
| 04:40.34 | Shirik | first time I've ever seen that in 5 years :/ |
| 04:40.45 | Shirik | bah and our server restarted of course |
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| 04:41.25 | Shirik | now I have to go tell it to stop freaking out |
| 04:41.39 | Shirik | Windows Server is so wierd how it goes into ultra freakout mode every time it restarts without expecting to |
| 04:42.52 | Dagmar | Yes, well... |
| 04:42.53 | Dagmar | Heh. |
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| 04:44.02 | Bruners | Shirik: thats because servers arent supposed to restart, and if they do it should be planned |
| 04:44.38 | Shirik | it's funny because there is only one time this server absolutely must NOT restart |
| 04:44.44 | Shirik | at any other time, nobody will care |
| 04:44.48 | Shirik | because it's just a nightly build server |
| 04:45.00 | Shirik | and that time is in 15 minutes :P |
| 04:45.23 | batrick | Iriel: what do you think of Go? |
| 04:46.46 | Iriel | batrick: It looks interesting, it scratches what I consider is an underserved itch (system tools language that doesn't carry the bloat of a VM), but i'm not sure how much I could usefully do with it in other parts of my life. The approach to interfaces is one I find myself wishing for sometimes, so that's nice to see. |
| 04:47.07 | Shirik | I still think it's overmarketed |
| 04:47.09 | Shirik | I need some proof |
| 04:47.27 | Iriel | Shirik: Then try it out 8-) |
| 04:47.33 | Iriel | Shirik: And let us know |
| 04:47.47 | Shirik | grading papers! |
| 04:47.58 | batrick | jeeze you too huh Shirik |
| 04:48.11 | Shirik | Need to have everything back to them by tomorrow because their final is in a week |
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| 05:02.04 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i have an instructor friend and i know some of the students in his classes and they are always bitching and moaning that they never get their papers back. but i dont mind because if he isnt grading papers he is playing D&D |
| 05:02.18 | Shirik | rofl |
| 05:12.13 | Cairenn|afk | oh.my.god. - if any of you ever get the opportunity to go see the Trans-Siberian Orchestra - do it! |
| 05:14.43 | Dewin | I like their music, they're that good live? |
| 05:14.54 | Cairenn | it was fantastic |
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| 05:22.14 | Thunder_Child | except for me |
| 05:24.40 | kd3 | TSO <3 |
| 05:37.17 | Thunder_Child | TSO </3 |
| 05:38.15 | Shirik | TSO? |
| 05:38.21 | Shirik | oh |
| 05:38.25 | Shirik | yes they are full of <3 and win |
| 05:38.30 | Shirik | They are like <win3 |
| 05:38.58 | Shirik | but you have to like fit in the thing so |
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| 05:39.09 | Shirik | .... oh fu |
| 05:39.18 | Shirik | how am I supposed to do underlines |
| 05:40.07 | cogwheel | glares at the already-fed cats staring at him |
| 05:40.19 | cogwheel | especially the fat one |
| 05:44.13 | cogwheel | ms. kitteh chases agnostic cat (he's black and white... har) away from his food and he's too much of a pussy (har de har) to fend her off |
| 05:44.15 | Shirik | You know what I just figured out |
| 05:44.22 | Shirik | Power companies aren't supplying anything to us |
| 05:44.26 | Shirik | They are just ripping us off |
| 05:44.38 | Shirik | FUnny how you can have these revelations while grading student papers |
| 05:44.39 | cogwheel | POWAH TO DA PPL! |
| 05:44.49 | Shirik | The net work done by a power plant is 0W |
| 05:44.49 | Jerub | Shirik: wait, what? |
| 05:44.53 | Shirik | So they are literally doing nothing |
| 05:45.03 | Shirik | and they charge us for doing 0 work |
| 05:45.04 | Jerub | Shirik: you honestly think power plants are that efficient? |
| 05:45.12 | Shirik | ok, so they're doing negative work |
| 05:45.26 | Shirik | they are charging us for burning oil and delivering us 0W |
| 05:45.43 | Jerub | Shirik: that's like saying because the mean voltage on an AC line is 0, it's safe to play toaster wars in the bath. |
| 05:45.51 | cogwheel | wants whatever Shirik's got... |
| 05:45.56 | Shirik | no that's different |
| 05:46.03 | Shirik | because the voltage is in fact 120V at points |
| 05:46.12 | Shirik | however, across the entire month, the total current is in fact 0 |
| 05:46.26 | Shirik | so, if they're going to charge me for the whole month, it should be 0 |
| 05:46.32 | Fisker | you wouldn't paint a car red |
| 05:46.45 | Shirik | if they charged me for an instantaneous point of time, sure I'll pay that point in time |
| 05:46.50 | Shirik | but they better not charge me for the rest of the month |
| 05:47.00 | Shirik | I am giving them just as many electrons as they're giving me |
| 05:47.01 | Bruners | hi Fisker |
| 05:47.02 | Shirik | I demand my fair share |
| 05:47.10 | cogwheel | Shirik: lern2calculus imo? |
| 05:47.16 | Shirik | or, more accurately, they're taking back as many electrons as they're giving me |
| 05:47.38 | cogwheel | and what about bridge rectifiers? (essentially an abs function) |
| 05:48.07 | Shirik | they aren't magic sauce :) |
| 05:48.29 | cogwheel | pokes the shirik |
| 05:48.30 | Shirik | the net work is still 0, you're just adjusting the circuit |
| 05:48.42 | Shirik | that's basically just two circuits, one forward and one backward |
| 05:48.49 | cogwheel | no, because it's doing work both ways |
| 05:48.51 | Fisker | i don't feel so well though Shirik |
| 05:49.08 | Shirik | but from the point of view of the power plant, it is 0 work |
| 05:49.14 | cogwheel | not really... |
| 05:49.17 | Shirik | if you chop off half the circuit, sure there's work done there |
| 05:49.32 | cogwheel | loads act as a braking force on the rotor |
| 05:49.39 | Shirik | a bridge rectifier basically does nothing more than swap the lines |
| 05:49.57 | cogwheel | I've felt this first hand with a crank generator :P |
| 05:50.02 | Shirik | shhh cogwheel, you're interrupting my fun |
| 05:50.10 | Shirik | mathematically, it still comes out to 0 work done |
| 05:50.34 | Shirik | they impose this absolute value function on our numbers and charge us for it! |
| 05:50.45 | cogwheel | Shirik: F imo? |
| 05:50.47 | cogwheel | :P |
| 05:50.51 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:51.12 | cogwheel | chuckles |
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| 05:53.15 | Torhal | you wouldn't toast a glass of lemonade Fisker |
| 05:53.35 | cogwheel | Shirik: so what was this gvoice bug you mentioned earlier? |
| 05:54.03 | Shirik | It's completely broken on Blackberry OS 5.0 |
| 05:54.18 | Shirik | like, it's even impossible for me to log in |
| 05:58.20 | Fisker | i wouldn't go to the toilet Torhal |
| 06:00.17 | Shirik | would you go to a pink toilet? |
| 06:03.10 | Torhal | little boxes made of ticky-tacky, Fisker |
| 06:03.35 | WobWork | Torhal: sitting on a hill? |
| 06:05.53 | WobWork | And they all look just the same |
| 06:08.38 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, go to or use? |
| 06:09.09 | Shirik | I don't know |
| 06:09.27 | Torhal | WobWork: on the hillside, but yes. |
| 06:15.10 | Shirik | omg win |
| 06:15.18 | Shirik | How to convince a paladin to drop the flag in WSG: |
| 06:15.23 | Shirik | Step 1. Priest MCs Paladin |
| 06:15.28 | Shirik | Step 2. Another paladin DIs the paladin |
| 06:15.36 | Shirik | Step 3. Return flag |
| 06:17.00 | Fisker | reported for sploitz |
| 06:17.06 | Fisker | i thought they fixed it btw Shirik |
| 06:21.24 | Shirik | orly? |
| 06:21.26 | Shirik | haven't tried |
| 06:21.28 | Shirik | it was just proposed in GC |
| 06:22.59 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 06:23.03 | Shirik | you would never use icelandic ultra blue |
| 06:23.16 | Fisker | well Shirik |
| 06:23.22 | Fisker | Back in the pre-TBC days |
| 06:23.29 | Fisker | when alliance was easy mode in regards to raids |
| 06:23.37 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:23.43 | Fisker | You could DI Razorgore in order to skip the whole event |
| 06:23.49 | Shirik | rofl |
| 06:23.58 | Shirik | how? |
| 06:24.05 | Fisker | When every bloody alliance guild had cleared Razorgore they decided it was an exploit and made it so you couldn't DI pets |
| 06:24.25 | Shirik | oh right |
| 06:24.28 | Shirik | you MCed him |
| 06:24.32 | Fisker | yeah |
| 06:24.36 | Shirik | I forgot all those fights, lol |
| 06:24.49 | Fisker | And the DI bugged the event so it didn't think it was reset |
| 06:25.02 | Fisker | but all eggs were cleared etc. |
| 06:25.06 | Shirik | win |
| 06:27.12 | Fisker | bai Shirik |
| 06:27.16 | Shirik | no |
| 06:27.18 | Shirik | do not leave |
| 06:27.18 | Fisker | :( |
| 06:27.20 | Shirik | or I will destroy you |
| 06:27.22 | Fisker | i cannot stay! |
| 06:27.40 | Fisker | my destiny is to make the bus |
| 06:27.47 | Shirik | oh ok |
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| 06:33.58 | Shirik | now who is going to entertain me |
| 06:34.01 | Shirik | Cairenn is back at least |
| 06:34.09 | Cairenn | huggles Shirik |
| 06:34.13 | Shirik | :D |
| 06:40.37 | Bruners | are you supposed to go to sleep now? |
| 06:41.14 | Shirik | me? |
| 06:41.15 | Shirik | no |
| 06:41.18 | Shirik | I have to grade papers |
| 06:41.25 | Shirik | Cairenn should be asleep but she won't go to sleep until I do |
| 06:41.30 | Cairenn | bah |
| 06:42.07 | Shirik | Cairenn, also known as the Scrooge of Sleep |
| 06:42.13 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 06:44.43 | batrick | harro shirik |
| 06:44.50 | Shirik | harro batrick |
| 06:45.15 | Bruners | i dont understand how people find it funny to kill a level 78 over 16 times |
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| 06:45.53 | batrick | it's funny because it bothered you enough to tell us |
| 06:46.01 | Thunder_Child | Bruners, i dont understand how people found shawn of the dead funny, yet people do |
| 06:46.03 | batrick | well, they find it amusing |
| 06:46.15 | Bruners | im just telling you while im waiting for the ressurection timer |
| 06:46.58 | Bruners | i would stop at maby 3 times |
| 06:47.17 | batrick | if I really hate a person I'll kill them until they log |
| 06:47.35 | Shirik | batrick would kill me until I log |
| 06:47.37 | Bruners | thats different |
| 06:47.38 | batrick | maybe you're that person to whoever is killing you :P |
| 06:47.39 | Shirik | and then wait for me to come back |
| 06:47.42 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5402796/microsoft-patents-the-sudo-command |
| 06:47.42 | Jerub | i don't know how people find pvp realms fun, ;) |
| 06:47.45 | Shirik | he would just sit there |
| 06:47.52 | Shirik | and wait for me to log on |
| 06:47.55 | batrick | i would |
| 06:47.56 | batrick | except |
| 06:47.57 | Bruners | Jerub: i kinda hate hit :P |
| 06:48.03 | batrick | actually nvm |
| 06:48.10 | Shirik | EXCEPT I AM A PRIEST AND AN INDESTRUCTABLE BRICK WALL |
| 06:48.15 | Shirik | AND YOU WOULD GET WTFPWNZORED |
| 06:48.39 | Jerub | tee hee |
| 06:49.46 | Jerub | i had a guildie having all his kills stolen by two alliance guys in STV. So I got him to mark pvp, waited till they went pvp to kill him, then I discovered that a single hit with my kitties swipe killed them ;) |
| 06:50.26 | batrick | i should transfer to shirik's realm just to gank him |
| 06:50.34 | batrick | except ganking addon coders (or programmers) is useless |
| 06:50.37 | Shirik | omg only 7 papers left |
| 06:50.41 | batrick | they just happily code while waiting for rez |
| 06:50.41 | Shirik | well only 7 physical papers left |
| 06:50.42 | Bruners | but when i was on a PVE realm i wished that i was on a PVP realm to kill idiots that stole my kills |
| 06:50.53 | Shirik | I need a little break |
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| 06:55.09 | Shirik | I'm on a pve realm |
| 06:55.11 | Shirik | and I can't stand it |
| 06:55.17 | Shirik | I can't stand that I can't kill someone when I want to |
| 06:55.46 | Jerub | is there anyone here that works for/on wowhead.com? |
| 06:56.10 | Bruners | try #wowhead |
| 06:56.25 | Cairenn | Jerub: what do you need? |
| 06:57.11 | Jerub | http://www.wowhead.com/?guide=3.3&ui first paragraph s/double/doubt/ |
| 06:57.57 | Thunder_Child | ya, there are some "people" here that work on it |
| 06:58.17 | Cairenn | Jerub: passed along |
| 07:00.32 | Jerub | Cairenn: thanks. |
| 07:00.37 | Cairenn | you're welcome |
| 07:00.41 | Cairenn | :) |
| 07:00.42 | Jerub | Cairenn: hey, did you end up getting a google wave account? someone said you wanted one |
| 07:00.48 | Cairenn | nope |
| 07:01.09 | Jerub | Cairenn: /msg me your email address and i'll hook you up |
| 07:01.18 | Cairenn | cairenn@mmoui.com |
| 07:01.20 | Cairenn | :) |
| 07:01.38 | Jerub | invite sent, should take an hour or two to arrive. |
| 07:01.40 | Cairenn | and, cool, thanks! |
| 07:02.42 | Cairenn | hahahah |
| 07:02.43 | Cairenn | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/11/10/funny-pictures-later-years/ |
| 07:03.06 | batrick | that is a monstrous cat |
| 07:05.27 | Bruners | why arent people playing pvp :( |
| 07:07.19 | Shirik | hour or two? |
| 07:07.23 | Shirik | I thought they were taking days |
| 07:08.37 | Shirik | I'm all that AND a bag of chips |
| 07:11.21 | Jerub | so will the new dungeon system work with raids? |
| 07:12.28 | Shirik | Cairenn, when did you change your avatar? |
| 07:12.48 | Cairenn | last night/this morning |
| 07:12.54 | Cairenn | need to change it back now |
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| 07:14.49 | Shirik | why o.o |
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| 07:34.26 | Adys | Im trying to export environment variables |
| 07:34.27 | Adys | bash: export: `=linux': not a valid identifier |
| 07:34.27 | Adys | bash: export: `=linux/amd64': not a valid identifier |
| 07:35.38 | mitch0 | you do it wrong |
| 07:35.54 | ZorbaTHut | man, blizzard's new QH replacement is so broken. again. it's missing half the quests I'm trying out |
| 07:36.16 | ZorbaTHut | and you have to zoom into the zone view in order to see anything |
| 07:36.26 | ZorbaTHut | *but* it still displays quests in other zones once you do, if they're visible on that map |
| 07:36.45 | Bruners | ZorbaTHut: but, have they made an API ready so that you can port questhelper to it? |
| 07:36.48 | ZorbaTHut | and when it does so, it moves all the UI around and looks terrible. I have no idea what they're thinking. |
| 07:37.01 | ZorbaTHut | bruners, nope! in fact their API is carefully designed to provide the least amount of useful information possible |
| 07:37.05 | ZorbaTHut | it's completely useless for me |
| 07:37.30 | mitch0 | it's a conspiracy, I tell ya |
| 07:37.45 | ZorbaTHut | the only things I'm gonna be getting out of 3.3 are the finished-quest-list (which admittedly is quite handy) and, maybe, the ability to co-opt however they're doing their nice solid area rendering |
| 07:37.55 | ZorbaTHut | although I suspect the latter is going to be C code pointing to a static database |
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| 07:38.45 | ZorbaTHut | out of the current nine argent tournament quests on the PTR, four of them have locational data. |
| 07:39.13 | krka | ZorbaTHut: is the documentation for the new quest api available to read somewhere? |
| 07:40.03 | ZorbaTHut | not really, I reverse-engineered it in the 3.2.0 ptr and just did a quick glance to observe that they didn't change it for 3.3.0 |
| 07:40.22 | krka | i see |
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| 07:43.04 | ZorbaTHut | I still think it's kind of sad that I can't mark myself as willing to heal on my warrior |
| 07:43.08 | ZorbaTHut | I totally have gift of the naaru |
| 07:43.12 | ZorbaTHut | that's a healing ability, right |
| 07:45.23 | Shirik | red red wine you make me feel so fine |
| 07:45.49 | Shirik | Adys: What are you doing? |
| 07:45.53 | Shirik | what did you write? |
| 07:49.06 | ZorbaTHut | yep, all locked away in C. WorldMapBlobFrame:DrawQuestBlob(questFrame.questId, false); |
| 07:49.06 | ZorbaTHut | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:49.26 | Adys | export $GOROOT=$HOME/src/go |
| 07:49.26 | Adys | export $GOOS="linux" |
| 07:49.26 | Adys | export $GOARCH="linux/amd64" |
| 07:49.29 | Adys | Shirik: ^ |
| 07:49.42 | ZorbaTHut | I don't think you use $ when exporting |
| 07:49.45 | Shirik | drop the $ |
| 07:49.48 | Adys | oh |
| 07:49.48 | Adys | ya |
| 07:49.49 | Adys | thanks |
| 07:49.55 | tekkub | rawr |
| 07:49.56 | tekkub | that is all |
| 07:50.00 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 07:50.10 | Shirik | what happens there is that $GOROOT becomes evaluated |
| 07:50.15 | Shirik | which is probably nothing |
| 07:50.19 | Shirik | so you got "export =linux" |
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| 07:52.57 | Adys | okay wow |
| 07:52.58 | Fisker- | i want to physically harm you Shirik |
| 07:53.05 | Adys | they werent kidding, Go does compile fast |
| 07:53.18 | Shirik | Fisker, shouldn't you be on a bus |
| 07:53.31 | Wobble | ZorbaTHut, you're not using every 'Ohshit' button available to you as a tank? |
| 07:53.31 | Fisker- | I'm on a boat |
| 07:54.06 | ZorbaTHut | wobble, huh? I am missing context |
| 07:54.17 | Wobble | <ZorbaTHut> I still think it's kind of sad that I can't mark myself as willing to heal on my warrior |
| 07:54.18 | Wobble | <ZorbaTHut> I totally have gift of the naaru |
| 07:54.49 | ZorbaTHut | for the new LFG system. I want to mark myself as the group healer! I have one heal every 3 minutes and if they're not scrubs that should be plenty |
| 07:54.54 | Wobble | ah =P |
| 07:56.00 | Fisker- | hey Wobin |
| 07:56.07 | Fisker- | you disguised yourself |
| 07:56.31 | Fisker- | And i don't approve of that |
| 07:56.42 | Fisker- | In case you did require my approval |
| 07:57.21 | Wobin | I'll keep that in mind |
| 07:57.30 | Wobin | if I ever find myself requiring your approval |
| 07:57.46 | Wobin | anyway |
| 07:57.48 | Wobin | blame [wobin] (n=wobin@thuis.15augustus.nl): Woep Wobin |
| 07:58.00 | Wobin | that damn netherlander keeps stealing my nick |
| 08:00.07 | Fisker- | register it? |
| 08:00.23 | Wobin | I did |
| 08:00.29 | Wobin | but if I'm not online, he nicks it |
| 08:00.30 | Fisker- | kill him? |
| 08:00.33 | Wobin | and I have to ghost him |
| 08:00.34 | Wobin | twice |
| 08:00.36 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 08:00.38 | Fisker- | do just that |
| 08:00.38 | Fisker- | ;3 |
| 08:00.57 | krka | ZorbaTHut: stop complaining! atleast they dont replace all ui code with RenderUI(); |
| 08:01.26 | ZorbaTHut | krka, why? I'm allowed to grumble about things that I think are dubious and/or irritating decisions |
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| 08:04.57 | kd3 | ok, wow. bad... I saw an email in my inbox with the subject "My laptop's battery is bigger than yours" |
| 08:05.02 | kd3 | first thought... spam |
| 08:05.20 | kd3 | second thought... "what the hell are the spammers on now?" |
| 08:05.31 | Shirik | lol |
| 08:05.37 | Fisker- | third thought not a lot changed ui wise did it? |
| 08:06.07 | kd3 | after opening it up, "why am I getting trouble tickets at this address? this idiot needs to not pick such ambiguous subjects" |
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| 08:06.30 | Fisker- | soothes kd3 |
| 08:06.45 | Fisker- | there there |
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| 08:07.33 | Fisker- | no |
| 08:08.01 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 08:08.11 | Shirik | I will need to see some identification |
| 08:08.45 | zenzio | You don't need to see his identification. |
| 08:09.23 | Fisker- | Credits will do fine Shirik |
| 08:09.25 | kd3 | these are not the droids you're looking for |
| 08:09.40 | Fisker- | hivemind kd3 |
| 08:10.13 | Shirik | I have a storm |
| 08:10.13 | Shirik | I don't need a droid |
| 08:10.18 | kd3 | gack, it's 3 am. what am I still doing up? |
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| 08:12.44 | mitch0 | damn, I asked about PLAYER_TALENT_UPDATE on #c++. they replied stupid stuff, so I threatened them with fisker. that didn't help either, so I got suspicious, then I realized I'm on the wrong channel :) |
| 08:13.22 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 08:13.36 | Fisker- | They don't know what they just got themselves into |
| 08:13.44 | mitch0 | :) |
| 08:14.16 | zenzio | "Come back to Age of Conan, play for free and level up twice as fast!"... sounds fishy |
| 08:14.36 | Fisker- | "come back" sounds fishy |
| 08:14.42 | Bruners | haste: TFA? |
| 08:14.45 | Fisker- | Given that it would require you actually had it to begin with |
| 08:14.49 | Fisker- | Bruners: l2solo |
| 08:15.03 | Bruners | Fisker-: yes, but haste cant solo it |
| 08:15.06 | zenzio | Fisker-: I tried it for a few weeks |
| 08:15.42 | Wobin | I got the "Play Lotro free for a week!" |
| 08:15.51 | Fisker- | so did i, i just try to act internet tough guy zenzio |
| 08:15.56 | Bruners | i got the one month free WAR |
| 08:16.09 | zenzio | Fisker-: we all do |
| 08:16.23 | zenzio | so who else thinks the elf guy in DA:O is a bit creepy? |
| 08:16.41 | Fisker- | Zevran? |
| 08:17.12 | Wobin | he hit on you? =) |
| 08:17.19 | zenzio | repeatedly |
| 08:17.25 | Wobin | heheh |
| 08:17.26 | Fisker- | well he's gay |
| 08:17.33 | zenzio | I didn't have the heart to turn him down after I nearly killed him |
| 08:17.41 | Wobin | well then, get the sex on! |
| 08:19.10 | Shirik | finally done grading physical papers... |
| 08:19.14 | Shirik | just a few electronic copies left |
| 08:19.17 | Shirik | is going to fall over dead |
| 08:19.37 | Fisker- | well Wobin atleast you didn't just skip dialogue and then bang him as a male dwarf |
| 08:19.37 | Fisker- | ;E |
| 08:19.47 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 08:19.53 | Shirik | that's very wrong, even for you |
| 08:21.18 | haste | Bruners: done it yet :P ? |
| 08:21.19 | Fisker- | i'm not sure it is |
| 08:21.34 | Fisker- | i just transferred and faction changed and did it for you |
| 08:25.52 | Fisker- | why won't you love me haste ? |
| 08:25.58 | Fisker- | How many thousand liters of milk does it take?! |
| 08:27.12 | haste | Fisker-: your on the wrong server! |
| 08:27.20 | Fisker- | oh god haste |
| 08:27.28 | Fisker- | you just opened up a can of whoopass on yourself |
| 08:27.37 | haste | oh rly? |
| 08:32.02 | Fisker- | "your" |
| 08:32.04 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 08:32.40 | haste | lulz |
| 08:32.48 | haste | it's early! |
| 08:32.52 | haste | I haven't had my coffee yet |
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| 08:37.52 | Shirik | haste |
| 08:38.00 | Shirik | the can of whoopass has been opened |
| 08:38.14 | Shirik | Cairenn, I order you to destroy haste |
| 08:38.31 | Cairenn | destroys Shirik |
| 08:38.34 | Shirik | :( |
| 08:38.34 | Cairenn | and haste |
| 08:38.36 | zenzio | :-p |
| 08:38.46 | zenzio | Cairenn is more of a spirit girl |
| 08:38.57 | Shirik | free spirit? |
| 08:39.05 | zenzio | she doesn't benefit as much from +haste |
| 08:39.12 | Wobin | vodka? |
| 08:39.12 | Cairenn | lol |
| 08:40.31 | ZorbaTHut | I like my women the way I like my MP5 |
| 08:40.41 | ZorbaTHut | largely obsolete, and slated for removal within the year. |
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| 08:41.13 | ZorbaTHut | (I have no clue what that even means) |
| 08:41.25 | Wobin | http://www.smh.com.au/powderfinger/?autostart=1 |
| 08:41.32 | Wobin | concert starts in an hour if you want to watch |
| 08:41.48 | mitch0 | so, is there any mechanic / bad addon /whatever that can cause PLAYER_TALENT_UPDATE events to get lost somewhere? |
| 08:41.51 | Wobin | well my bad |
| 08:41.52 | Wobin | 20min |
| 08:44.10 | Shirik | pro tip:When submitting your research paper online |
| 08:44.26 | Shirik | If you copy from someone, remember to remove the automatically-created Microsoft Word tag "Author" |
| 08:44.44 | Fisker- | I like my women the way i like my haste |
| 08:44.54 | Fisker- | +30% faster when meleeing |
| 08:45.01 | haste | Shirik: :D |
| 08:45.02 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, nice. |
| 08:45.06 | ZorbaTHut | people are smart. |
| 08:45.13 | Fisker- | old Shirik |
| 08:45.17 | Fisker- | Funny btw |
| 08:45.39 | mitch0 | shirik: pro tip: use a proper doc generator (LaTeX for example) when submitting papers :P |
| 08:45.45 | Fisker- | Danish military tried to slander a book author by stating the book was a national security risk because it was already translated to arabic |
| 08:45.56 | haste | mitch0: only if they iterate over all frames and do something stupid |
| 08:46.07 | Fisker- | Turns out someone took said book, put it through google translate, and didn't bother to change the MS Word metatags |
| 08:46.09 | Fisker- | durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 08:46.28 | Shirik | mitch0: These people are aerospace engineers |
| 08:46.32 | Shirik | I don't expect them to know how to use word |
| 08:46.36 | Shirik | much less latex |
| 08:47.17 | mitch0 | haste: but nobody would do such a bad thing, right? :) |
| 08:47.28 | Fisker- | i'd like to be teacher for that very reason Shirik |
| 08:47.34 | Fisker- | Pwning people when they copy from others |
| 08:47.50 | Shirik | Fisker would call the person up and be like |
| 08:47.54 | Shirik | ffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 08:48.28 | Fisker- | :3? |
| 08:48.41 | Shirik | :D |
| 08:48.46 | Fisker- | i would fail them with an fffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuu- |
| 08:48.57 | Shirik | lol |
| 08:49.11 | Shirik | I could see Fisker- writing that on a paper |
| 08:49.27 | Shirik | ok I got all the written ones done, I think I'm doing the electronic ones at home |
| 08:49.34 | Shirik | gonna get like 3 hours of sleep tonight lol |
| 08:49.37 | Shirik | bbl |
| 08:50.05 | Fisker- | :o |
| 08:50.06 | Fisker- | bai |
| 08:50.49 | haste | mitch0: never say never! |
| 08:51.37 | mitch0 | yeah, I know. a day or two ago Decursive completely broke AceDB :P |
| 08:53.52 | ZorbaTHut | don't suppose anyone knows a way to get the ID of a quest that's been completed without needing to be accepted? either as it's being completed, or right after, or right before, or something? |
| 08:56.44 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut, I think, out of the lot of us here, you'd be the best chance at knowing that answer =) |
| 08:57.01 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, but unfortunately, my best answer so far is "lol, sucker" |
| 08:57.17 | ZorbaTHut | so I was hoping someone else had a better idea ;) |
| 09:02.13 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:02.22 | haste | that's been completed without being accepted? |
| 09:03.43 | zenzio | aren't there some rare quests that simply are "completed", not picked up? I can't recall |
| 09:04.39 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, some quests are just instant - you never accept anything, you just say "hello I would like to turn in this quest" |
| 09:04.53 | ZorbaTHut | and bam the quest is done |
| 09:05.25 | ZorbaTHut | generally this is done with repeatable turnin quests, though there's some weird one-time non-turnin quests. |
| 09:06.09 | ZorbaTHut | I'd also like a better way of handling quest turnins than polling the questlog every time they turn in a quest to record what it is that they just completed, but I may not get what I want there |
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| 09:18.25 | Cairenn | okay all my wonderful geeks, I have a question that you can hopefully help me with - do any of you know if xpize is "bundled" with anything else and if so, what? http://www.xpize.net/ |
| 09:18.48 | Shirik | I have returned! |
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| 09:20.47 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, like toolbars? |
| 09:21.43 | haste | my coffe cup, it's gone! |
| 09:21.57 | Cairenn | like anything - it somehow got on my Mom's system and she has no idea where the hell it came from .... and (being the technological genius that she sometimes is) she tried to delete it and it completely fucked her system up, she ended up having to re-install Windows XP entirely |
| 09:22.00 | Corrodias | no idea, |
| 09:22.28 | Thunder_Child | dosent look like it. it seems to be a replacement for certian things |
| 09:22.56 | Thunder_Child | icons animations and bitmaps |
| 09:23.08 | Thunder_Child | and uninstalling that incorrectly could screw things up |
| 09:23.12 | Cairenn | once she got her system at least semi functional again, she restored from a backup she had (and had lots of fun challenges along the way) - but she still doesn't know where the hell it came from |
| 09:23.50 | Cairenn | nor if it's safe, nor if she should leave it or delete it, and if she should delete it, how the hell to get it off her system without it fucking everything up again |
| 09:26.10 | haste | it patches files tho' Thunder_Child |
| 09:26.20 | haste | by replacing internal resources with its own |
| 09:26.27 | Fisker- | it's open source |
| 09:26.38 | haste | open sources Fisker-. |
| 09:26.58 | Cairenn | I'm just trying to help her figure out how she may have ended up with it on her system in the first place, and how to get rid of it |
| 09:27.06 | Fisker- | Though doesn't these kind of apps have to disable some of the security features designed to prevent rewriting of system files? |
| 09:27.24 | Thunder_Child | i dont think it is rewriting them |
| 09:27.33 | Fisker- | It's all the porn she's watching Cairenn |
| 09:27.35 | Fisker- | hohoho |
| 09:27.39 | Cairenn | "xpize does not replace any files, system or otherwise. Instead it "patches" the files by replacing the old resources inside the files." |
| 09:27.55 | Cairenn | from their about page |
| 09:28.26 | Shirik | Fisker, be nice to Cairenn |
| 09:28.29 | Fisker- | Yeah it still modifies the file itself though |
| 09:28.34 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 09:29.03 | Cairenn | I was copying that in response to TCs comment |
| 09:29.47 | Thunder_Child | thats not rewriting the files |
| 09:29.51 | Thunder_Child | thats editing them |
| 09:30.03 | Thunder_Child | hence it would bypass what Fisker mentioned |
| 09:30.11 | Cairenn | which still means things get screwed up when you try to get rid of it |
| 09:30.14 | Thunder_Child | yup |
| 09:30.22 | Cairenn | even though supposedly (according to them) it's easy to remove |
| 09:30.36 | Thunder_Child | you might try reinstalling it then using that install to uninstall it |
| 09:30.41 | haste | and according to Microsoft UAC is a great security measure! |
| 09:30.50 | Cairenn | haste: heh |
| 09:30.51 | Thunder_Child | assuming it still exists on the computer |
| 09:31.21 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: yeah, it's back on, because she used the backup to get things (mostly) back to normal |
| 09:31.46 | Cairenn | I don't know what all she did, she's definitely screwed some stuff up though |
| 09:32.20 | Cairenn | the WoW launcher errors on her every time now, even though it still launches the game - the LotRO launcher doesn't show news now, but still launches the game |
| 09:32.42 | Cairenn | I wish she wouldn't do things like that |
| 09:32.55 | Thunder_Child | error is how you learn |
| 09:32.56 | haste | how does it error? |
| 09:33.04 | Cairenn | she randomly decides she needs to "clean up her system" and starts deleting things |
| 09:33.12 | haste | also, based on the lotro launcher -- try updating ie? |
| 09:33.31 | Cairenn | will suggest that to her tomorrow |
| 09:33.36 | zenzio | Cairenn: ... but don't all women do irrational things like that? |
| 09:33.37 | zenzio | hides |
| 09:33.45 | *** kick/#WoWUIDev [zenzio!n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn] by Cairenn (Cairenn) |
| 09:34.07 | Thunder_Child | ~Cairenn++ |
| 09:34.10 | haste | someone needs to get better at hiding! |
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| 09:36.06 | haste | wb |
| 09:36.16 | Cairenn | giggles at zenzio |
| 09:36.37 | zenzio | \o/ |
| 09:39.43 | Cairenn | so no one is aware of it being bundled with anything else? |
| 09:40.24 | ZorbaTHut | wonder if blizzard's gonna hate me if I start polling the quest completion list every minute |
| 09:41.18 | Corrodias | i don't think i've ever heard of it before |
| 09:41.19 | Fisker- | in b4 throttling ZorbaTHut |
| 09:41.21 | zenzio | I couldn't find any obvious bundling by googling, but that's not to say it can't still be happening |
| 09:41.43 | zenzio | I spent a week this summer understanding why a friend's XP kept getting its boot.ini deleted |
| 09:41.46 | Cairenn | yeah, my googling-fu hasn't turned anything up, that's why I came to you guys |
| 09:41.49 | zenzio | turned out IE8 + Ask toolbar was bad |
| 09:41.53 | ZorbaTHut | well, apparently it's already throttled to once per minute, and it's not like it's a large amount of data that's transferred |
| 09:41.56 | zenzio | and some software had bundled the toolbar |
| 09:42.23 | zenzio | ZorbaTHut: what data does it transfer, just IDs? Or titles too? |
| 09:42.29 | ZorbaTHut | zenzio, just IDs |
| 09:42.33 | Fisker- | why would you do it every minute though? |
| 09:43.04 | ZorbaTHut | fisker, because I can't come up with a non-gnarly way to keep it reasonably up-to-date. I wouldn't actually do it every minute all the time, but I would do it every minute if there had been a quest completion within the last minute. |
| 09:43.08 | zenzio | hm, say 3500 * a few bytes... that's still not a great deal |
| 09:43.26 | ZorbaTHut | zenzio, yeah, all quest IDs are still two-byte AFAIK. maybe three-byte in Cataclysm. |
| 09:43.30 | ZorbaTHut | and that's assuming they don't diff. |
| 09:43.41 | ZorbaTHut | compression would help as well, of course. |
| 09:44.16 | Fisker- | You wouldn't compress a stream |
| 09:44.33 | ZorbaTHut | why not? it's just a wad of data |
| 09:44.45 | Fisker- | You wouldn't steal a car |
| 09:44.48 | Shirik | ZorbaTHut, you need to tune Fisker out |
| 09:44.59 | ZorbaTHut | eh, sometimes he has reasonable questions, like his previous one ;) |
| 09:45.15 | Fisker- | tune Shirik out |
| 09:45.19 | Shirik | nah |
| 09:45.21 | Fisker- | he's like totally lies and stuff! |
| 09:45.30 | Shirik | you wouldn't tune me out |
| 09:45.59 | Fisker- | i wouldn't ever let you down |
| 09:46.47 | Shirik | zenzio, you need an auto-rejoin btw |
| 09:46.53 | Shirik | be pro |
| 09:47.49 | zenzio | I intentionally don't |
| 09:48.53 | Fisker- | i auto-rejoin even on bans! |
| 09:52.07 | Shirik | orly |
| 09:52.18 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+b Fisker-!*@*] by Shirik |
| 09:52.18 | haste | in b4 Shirik tests it |
| 09:52.26 | Cairenn | lol |
| 09:52.37 | Shirik | failure haste |
| 09:52.40 | Shirik | not in b4 |
| 09:52.43 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-b Fisker-!*@*] by Shirik |
| 09:52.43 | haste | I blame latency! |
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| 10:01.19 | Kaso | test |
| 10:01.23 | haste | 123 |
| 10:01.30 | Kaso | works! clearly |
| 10:03.09 | haste | only 40 configs left! |
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| 10:05.38 | Shirik | haste you are supposed to say "failed" |
| 10:05.40 | Shirik | what is wrong with you |
| 10:06.06 | haste | Sorry, I'm not as destructive as you! |
| 10:06.11 | zenzio | ironically... he failed |
| 10:07.35 | haste | and done! |
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| 10:08.25 | Shirik | woah |
| 10:08.36 | Shirik | I finally figured out why upgrading my Blackberry to v5 broke Google Voice |
| 10:08.52 | haste | weeeoooo |
| 10:08.55 | Shirik | they added this thing called "Compatibility mode" which allows my device to emulate a more conventional blackberry |
| 10:08.59 | Shirik | which is on by default... |
| 10:09.09 | Shirik | and it completely destroys google voice |
| 10:11.01 | zenzio | compatibility modes - breaking features since 2000 |
| 10:13.28 | haste | fffffuuuu |
| 10:13.34 | haste | suddenly 13 more configs appear |
| 10:13.38 | haste | damn you asciidoc! |
| 10:14.18 | haste | config accept `seq 1 13` # *whistle* |
| 10:23.54 | olafski | uh.. are the ICC 5mans and totc5 blocked on the PTR? it says "you do not meet the requirements for this dungeon", both on normal and HC |
| 10:26.25 | Shirik | zenzio: Gotta say, I do like that they added it |
| 10:26.36 | Shirik | I had a severe problem with some apps that expected me to have a trackball or off-screen keyboard |
| 10:26.44 | Shirik | now that I can emulate that behavior, I won't have a problem |
| 10:26.56 | Fisker- | you trying to ban me Shirik ? |
| 10:27.12 | Shirik | I already did noob |
| 10:27.35 | Fisker- | oh the audacity |
| 10:29.14 | zenzio | "COD4: Modern Warfare is probably one of the biggest first person shooters of all time." <-- I hate when they use words like "biggest" without explaining what aspects they're talking about |
| 10:29.26 | Torhal | you wouldn't be audacious Fisker- |
| 10:29.27 | Shirik | woot, google voice working again |
| 10:29.31 | Shirik | huggles his storm |
| 10:29.47 | Shirik | I scoff at your puny droid, cogwheel |
| 10:29.57 | Fisker- | It has the biggest dimensions zenzio ! |
| 10:31.13 | Fisker- | i want google voice for Denmark Shirik |
| 10:31.16 | Fisker- | when can we have? |
| 10:31.55 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrqx_rDHMpY&feature=player_embedded# |
| 10:32.34 | Fisker- | i hate youtube now Wobin |
| 10:33.30 | Wobin | did you ever love it? |
| 10:33.39 | Shirik | Fisker, I can give you an invite |
| 10:33.45 | Shirik | and then I can lol @ u not being able to use |
| 10:34.29 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 10:34.33 | Fisker- | maybe Wobin |
| 10:34.43 | Fisker- | but it sucks they've begun putting in video ads |
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| 10:36.23 | Fisker- | looks like he saw me |
| 10:37.35 | Shirik | ok night |
| 10:37.42 | Shirik | once again Cairenn managed to stay up later than me |
| 10:37.48 | Shirik | even though it's 5:30 AM |
| 10:37.50 | Cairenn | huggles Shirik |
| 10:37.52 | Shirik | and the sun will be up soon |
| 10:37.53 | Cairenn | sweet dreams :) |
| 10:39.27 | Fisker- | don't teachers usually preach the "Do your homework in good time"-speech? |
| 10:39.51 | zenzio | Shirik, you're supposed to be happy when you get girls to not want to go to sleep |
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| 10:43.58 | Fisker- | robotusch |
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| 10:51.00 | mikma | shirik|afk: http://www.geekologie.com/2009/11/dont_touch_my_string_cheese_fr.php |
| 10:57.52 | Fisker- | i'd eat out of the cage |
| 10:58.12 | Cairenn | lol |
| 10:59.02 | robotusch | Fusker |
| 10:59.08 | robotusch | >:( |
| 10:59.23 | robotusch | this is my "there's no tanking rewards from the Quel'delar questline"-face |
| 10:59.54 | Fisker- | This is my >:3 face |
| 11:00.17 | Fisker- | i'm getting it unless weapon upgrades in IC is easy to come by |
| 11:00.53 | robotusch | Fik btw trykket hånd med statsministeren igår :D |
| 11:00.57 | Wobin | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/11/hooray_autotinting_contacts_co.php |
| 11:00.59 | Wobin | creepy |
| 11:02.31 | mikma | is like raybans, only in your eyeballs! |
| 11:03.58 | Fisker- | husk at vaske den bagefter robotusch |
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| 11:11.49 | mikma | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20091111094923390 |
| 11:14.00 | Fisker- | haha |
| 11:14.03 | Fisker- | owned |
| 11:17.25 | mikma | http://l4d.com/blog/ |
| 11:17.48 | Fisker- | where's my old? |
| 11:18.19 | Fisker- | and xbox copy |
| 11:18.20 | Fisker- | tsk tsk |
| 11:19.51 | tem | Bibi-, ping |
| 11:20.07 | tem | eh you're probably asleep |
| 11:20.43 | Bibi- | Bibi never sleeps, he waits |
| 11:21.00 | tem | weapon/shield graphics for ice cream citadel |
| 11:21.17 | tem | they were posted a long time ago, and are beyond the first 10 pages |
| 11:21.58 | Dezzimal | I never hear of anything coming of anyone patenting anything |
| 11:22.27 | Bibi- | http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/patch-3-3-now-live-on-ptrs/ |
| 11:22.32 | tem | it'd be super awesome if the db could have screenshots of the gear posts, but just seeing the pool of stuff it is pulled from would be good enough |
| 11:22.50 | Bibi- | most weapons have screenshots |
| 11:22.58 | Bibi- | all the gear should have screenshot within 1 or 2 hours |
| 11:22.58 | tem | the shields don't :( |
| 11:23.09 | Bibi- | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/49976/bulwark-of-smouldering-steel/ |
| 11:23.18 | Bibi- | shields arent real weapons anyway. |
| 11:23.29 | Dezzimal | "Oh god they're patenting the concept of a human interface device" |
| 11:23.45 | Dezzimal | that story gets published and then nothing ever comes of it |
| 11:24.13 | tem | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/49835/splintered-door-of-the-citadel/ |
| 11:24.15 | Jerub | aahhh dammit. |
| 11:24.21 | Fisker- | patent holders are too busy nom nom nomming money |
| 11:25.11 | Bibi- | tem : as I said, soon. |
| 11:25.11 | Bibi- | :p |
| 11:25.24 | tem | oh I missed that |
| 11:25.27 | tem | well awesome |
| 11:25.39 | Jerub | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47882 or the +170 stam trinket? I can't dfecide :( |
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| 11:25.44 | Wobin | oh there we go |
| 11:25.46 | DWSR | hey all |
| 11:25.54 | Wobin | now I can play Age of Conan and level up twice as fast =P |
| 11:26.28 | DWSR | Does anyone know of an addon that I can use to highlight the screen edge based on which Warlock armor I'm using? |
| 11:26.37 | tem | Jerub, Ferver of the Frostborn/Eitrigg's Oath is the worst tank trinket ever made |
| 11:26.40 | DWSR | Or am I better off just tweaking a DK presence mod? |
| 11:26.52 | Jerub | tem: I see! |
| 11:26.53 | Legorol | Jerub: that's one of the few genuine decisions left in WoW that can't be calculated by a spreadsheet |
| 11:26.59 | Legorol | don't listen to tem, it's a very good trinket |
| 11:27.00 | tem | it's the trinket you wear if you want to broadcast to other tanks that you're bad |
| 11:27.06 | tem | no, it's terrible |
| 11:27.09 | Legorol | If you aren't attempting heroic modes, I thoroughly recommend using it |
| 11:27.23 | tem | the On Use effect can't stack high enough to be better than the Black Heart |
| 11:27.24 | Jerub | tem: but it's ilvl 232 vs.200... |
| 11:27.24 | Legorol | tem: only if you blindly and without thinking subscribe to the moronic trend of stacking Hp |
| 11:27.35 | Legorol | tem: he said +170, so it's a brewfest trinket |
| 11:27.51 | tem | I still would wear the brewfest trink over that |
| 11:27.53 | tem | UNLESS |
| 11:28.00 | tem | I were the shield tank on Anub Hard mode |
| 11:28.02 | Legorol | Jerub: the main issue is choosing between what's called "Effective Health" (usually meaning more stamina), and between avoidance |
| 11:28.03 | tem | but I'm not |
| 11:28.07 | Legorol | that's a debate that's as old as WoW |
| 11:28.16 | DWSR | omg. |
| 11:28.19 | DWSR | That trinket's fucking awful. |
| 11:28.27 | Legorol | Guys, it's not |
| 11:28.41 | tem | Legorol, I have ~55% avoidance in a raid |
| 11:28.44 | Legorol | once you are farming or pugging normal modes, and not doing heroics, you have plenty of Hp |
| 11:28.49 | Legorol | more avoidance is a good thing |
| 11:28.50 | Wobin | 20 second effect |
| 11:28.57 | DWSR | It's almost as bad as http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47726 |
| 11:29.09 | tem | a standard boss with a 2s swing, swings at 2.6 with the melee slow |
| 11:29.18 | Legorol | Jerub: I'd say this. If you ever do heroic ToC, use +170 sta, otherwise wear Fervor. |
| 11:29.20 | Wobin | DWSR, well, you can be hit faster than you can cast... |
| 11:29.32 | DWSR | Wobin: what tem said. |
| 11:29.38 | tem | lua> 20/2.6 |
| 11:29.39 | lua_bot | tem: 7.6923076923077 |
| 11:29.41 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's just the old tank survival question, burst vs mitigation |
| 11:29.47 | Legorol | exactly |
| 11:29.48 | tem | in those 20s, he'll get 7 swings in |
| 11:29.52 | Wobin | DWSR, also, against more than one mob, it'll help in that sense |
| 11:30.12 | Legorol | noone can give you a correct answer, although most tanks will tell you (imo incorrectly) to stick with stamina at all costs |
| 11:30.13 | DWSR | Wobin: If he needs to pop cooldowns to AoE trash tank, his gear is beyond the help of a trinket upgrade. |
| 11:30.13 | ZorbaTHut | it's a weird trinket because its main ability is pure mitigation, but its proc is kind of unpredictable survival |
| 11:30.17 | tem | with 55% avoidance, I can expect only ~3 of them to land |
| 11:30.29 | tem | which means it'll only stack 3 times |
| 11:30.31 | Legorol | the cooldown on that trinky is irrelevant, Jerub is comparing it with the brewfest trinket |
| 11:30.33 | tem | and then immediately fall off |
| 11:30.39 | Legorol | anything has better cooldown than the brewfest ones |
| 11:30.44 | ZorbaTHut | and it's definitely more of an aoe-tanking trinket, note |
| 11:30.58 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 11:31.02 | tem | I'll let you wear it for trash |
| 11:31.06 | DWSR | The only place I see this being useful is on Twins. |
| 11:31.16 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: it's decent on bosses too, once you have enough Hp anyway |
| 11:31.22 | tem | I'd debate it's usefulness on twins as well |
| 11:31.23 | ZorbaTHut | it's certainly not a bad mitigation trinket if you don't have anything else of a relatively high ilvl |
| 11:31.24 | Legorol | when you are farming normal modes, it's better to have avoidance |
| 11:31.26 | DWSR | Because the boss's swing timer gets halfed during Twin's Pact. |
| 11:31.32 | Wobin | Legorol, the problem is that it takes time to reach the full effect |
| 11:31.34 | DWSR | tem: We're talking barely useful. :P |
| 11:31.39 | tem | right, that's the one saving grace on twins |
| 11:31.41 | Legorol | wobin: i don't care about the use effect |
| 11:31.46 | ZorbaTHut | but, yes, I'd argue that, like most of tanking decisions in WoW, it comes down to "are you doing something hard or not" |
| 11:31.50 | ZorbaTHut | "if you are, you stack stamina" |
| 11:31.51 | Legorol | Jerub asked between a +170 brewfest trinket, and this trinket |
| 11:32.00 | ZorbaTHut | "if you're not, who the fuck cares, go hog wild? I guess you might want avoidance but whatever" |
| 11:32.08 | tem | so on most fights, the on use is worthless |
| 11:32.19 | Legorol | I agree, so is the brewfest |
| 11:32.20 | tem | which makes your comparison 170 stam or 114 dodge |
| 11:32.25 | Legorol | yes |
| 11:32.30 | ZorbaTHut | which is sort of a fundamental problem in WoW at the moment. |
| 11:32.34 | tem | and in 9 cases out of 10, I'll take 170 stam over 114 dodge |
| 11:32.35 | Legorol | and 114 dodge is worth lot more item budget than 170 stam |
| 11:32.43 | tem | that is true, Legorol |
| 11:32.55 | tem | but in the current tanking game, 170 stam > 114 dodge |
| 11:33.01 | Legorol | only if you are doing heroic toc |
| 11:33.18 | tem | <- is doing heroic toc |
| 11:33.19 | ZorbaTHut | actually, 170 stam and 114 dodge are almost exactly the same item budget |
| 11:33.24 | Legorol | tem: i already said that |
| 11:33.29 | ZorbaTHut | (suspiciously so, I'm not entirely sure I believe that's coincidence) |
| 11:33.32 | tem | lua> 170/1.5 |
| 11:33.33 | lua_bot | tem: 113.33333333333 |
| 11:33.41 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: hmms, interesting, you are right |
| 11:33.43 | tem | heh, yeah they are VERY close, ZorbaTHut |
| 11:33.44 | Legorol | i spoke without doing the math |
| 11:33.49 | tem | same here |
| 11:34.06 | Legorol | btw, i honestly think the brewfest trinks are way out of proportion |
| 11:34.08 | ZorbaTHut | however I think it's pretty unarguable that the Brewfest's on-use is not included in itemization, or, at least, is very *very* cheap |
| 11:34.16 | Legorol | does anyone else think it's crazy to have an i200 +170 sta trinky? |
| 11:34.18 | ZorbaTHut | and the Oath's on-use is probably calculated with some standard formula. |
| 11:34.26 | DWSR | Legorol: Yes. I wanted one for PvP. |
| 11:34.28 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, it's great if you want the early content to get easier as the game goes on. |
| 11:34.34 | Wobin | Isn't the brewfest trinket's onuse the "summon the chick"? |
| 11:34.41 | tem | yes |
| 11:34.42 | DWSR | Wobin: Yes. |
| 11:34.44 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: i agree, and it's also good if you want to let new tanks catch up fast |
| 11:34.48 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, yep. it does a tiny amount of melee damage and has a small HoT aura |
| 11:34.55 | Legorol | but I feel they are somehow above their itemlevel in power |
| 11:35.02 | Legorol | even if technically budgeted correctly |
| 11:35.05 | ZorbaTHut | I try to remember to pop it on every single boss fight I can :D |
| 11:35.19 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, that's only due to the ridiculous bloating of HP value vs. itemization cost |
| 11:35.24 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut, then people waste time trying to wave =) |
| 11:35.37 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: right, but Blizz devs knew that when putting this in the game i'm sure |
| 11:35.42 | DWSR | ugh |
| 11:35.50 | ZorbaTHut | IMHO, Blizzard should be rigging things up so they can make "optimally itemized items" that aren't as painfully bad as tanking alternatives generally are. |
| 11:35.52 | DWSR | Is there any way for me to stay logged into Curse on multiple machines? |
| 11:36.03 | Jerub | yeah, iv've actually got the brawlers one too |
| 11:36.03 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, if you can finish a boss fight drunker than you started, you're doing it right |
| 11:36.16 | tem | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/september/icecrownraid_staff.jpg |
| 11:36.24 | tem | compare to http://www.wowhead.com/?item=21273#screenshots:id=3383 |
| 11:36.24 | ZorbaTHut | I have, in a few heroics, ended the fight by summoning the girl and trying to get totally smashed before the boss dies |
| 11:36.38 | Jerub | so i've got +84 and +114 dodge trinkets, and also the two 170 stam ones |
| 11:36.39 | ZorbaTHut | (I should make a macro to help me with that) |
| 11:36.46 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: I think the main problem comes back to too high avoidance levels, actually :) |
| 11:36.57 | Wobin | tem, it's got FROSTY HORNS |
| 11:37.05 | Legorol | Consider this: the high avoidance levels mean bosses have to hit hard (as explained by many blues in many posts and discussed on many forums) |
| 11:37.16 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, the *real* problem is Blizzard not figuring out a good way to do boss damage besides relatively small HP buffers |
| 11:37.17 | Legorol | which makes Hp much more valuable than any other stat, |
| 11:37.25 | tem | it's practically the same staff with a little more embelishment |
| 11:37.31 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: right, that's what i was trying to say |
| 11:38.01 | Legorol | It's unfortunate that progression content is often just about Hp, as there are many interesting tank mechanics you could itemize for |
| 11:38.16 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:38.18 | Legorol | I always found it exciting that tanks (in principle) have genuine choice between mitigation, avoidance and threat on their gears |
| 11:38.22 | ZorbaTHut | there's really only one solution I've come up with, but I doubt Blizzard would do it because it's complicated |
| 11:38.30 | Legorol | In practice, a blue stamina item often wins |
| 11:38.35 | ZorbaTHut | and that's to make two kinds of HP |
| 11:38.39 | Wobin | I wonder why they bracketed it |
| 11:38.44 | ZorbaTHut | one to be interesting for burst, and one to be interesting for pure HPS |
| 11:38.57 | Legorol | that sounds complicated :( |
| 11:39.10 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, it would be a little more complicated. |
| 11:39.16 | ZorbaTHut | I didn't say it was a great solution for WoW ;) |
| 11:39.42 | Legorol | I guess there is a catch 22 at the moment: paradoxically, they can reduce the effectiveness of avoidance stats so that you can only get to 20-30%, so bosses can hit for smaller amount |
| 11:39.42 | olafski | "When i come back, first thing im doing is that Quel'Delar quest chain. Jesus i can't wait to get rid of my Betrayer, no dkp will stand in my way!" giggle at comments like this :< |
| 11:39.56 | olafski | but then nobody would have avoidance ;) |
| 11:39.57 | Legorol | in turn this would unfortunately make avoidance stats worthless on gear and again make stam more desirable |
| 11:40.15 | Wobin | unless they start an entirely new stat |
| 11:40.18 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, yeah, that's the big issue they have. the other solution is to make progression slower, but I strongly doubt they can realistically do that |
| 11:40.21 | Wobin | and make both worthless =P |
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| 11:40.53 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: indeed. Plus top guilds will always try content that is technically beyond their gear level, and the only way to do that is to a) have mad skillz b) stack stam on tanks beyond their gear level |
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| 11:40.58 | Fisker- | makes out with Wobin |
| 11:41.19 | Jerub | sigh. UK, wipe on first boss because no one shatters my frost tomb |
| 11:41.33 | Legorol | Jerub: obviously they were trying for the achi :P |
| 11:41.43 | Legorol | It's remarkable how many people don't even know about the frost tomb mechanic |
| 11:41.56 | Legorol | They just swing it with someone random getting iced, and if it's the tank, then KO. |
| 11:42.20 | Wobin | we tried "Watch Him Die" tonight =( |
| 11:42.29 | Wobin | too many unlucky webbings |
| 11:42.38 | Wobin | and we couldn't figure out a viable strategy |
| 11:42.41 | Jerub | Wobin: that's easy |
| 11:42.54 | Legorol | lol, I just saw a pet named "Ice", belonging to "Tonic" |
| 11:43.02 | Jerub | Wobin: rogue or hunter agros, vanishes/feigns death, run like hell, kill, run like hell. |
| 11:43.04 | ZorbaTHut | that's a bitch of an achievement IMHO. we had a ridiculous but surprisingly effective strategy |
| 11:43.21 | Legorol | yes it's the 2nd most annoying achi (after less-rabi) |
| 11:43.24 | DWSR | It's easy. |
| 11:43.25 | Wobin | Jerub, closest we had was a mage |
| 11:43.33 | Wobin | and the invis try didn't work well =( |
| 11:43.33 | Legorol | there are several solutions, one of which is the same as on almost all achis: throw more dps at it |
| 11:43.44 | Legorol | zerg the boss down, ignore all the other mobs, and hope it dies before you do |
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| 11:43.53 | Legorol | there are other solutions like the vanish/feint, a 2nd tank kiting, etc. |
| 11:43.53 | ZorbaTHut | we ended up with a mage, and with me tanking up at the entrance |
| 11:44.00 | Wobin | Legorol, yeah we tried that at the end |
| 11:44.00 | Legorol | all painful |
| 11:44.04 | DWSR | Pull with a mage/lock, blink run like hell, the other 4 people just zerg the boss. |
| 11:44.05 | DWSR | Win. |
| 11:44.14 | Jerub | wait, watch him die? no, i tried that as tank and i couldn't get him past 25% |
| 11:44.17 | Jerub | needed a better tank |
| 11:44.26 | ZorbaTHut | the mage would pull to me and I'd grab off him and tank them for, like, six seconds |
| 11:44.33 | ZorbaTHut | which was all the extra we needed, in the end |
| 11:44.40 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: You can just let them mage run away. |
| 11:44.42 | DWSR | I've done it as a lock |
| 11:44.43 | Wobin | Jerub, oh yeah, the other one with the spider we did fine |
| 11:44.49 | DWSR | Portal + Tuskarr's = winsauce. |
| 11:45.06 | Wobin | what's the range on the portal? |
| 11:45.08 | Fisker- | 2 tanks, 3 dps Wobin |
| 11:45.12 | Legorol | Then there's the "conventional" solution: do it normally, with the tank picking up the three watchers, killing the rest, then kill the boss |
| 11:45.14 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, he'd get caught and killed, we actually needed the extra time (and I wasn't able to help DPS very well) |
| 11:45.20 | Wobin | Legorol, we tried that |
| 11:45.21 | Jerub | ffs, this isn't an undergeared group, this is a turned-80-today group |
| 11:45.21 | Legorol | that requies mad skillz though, and possible PvP trinkets against the blind |
| 11:45.27 | Legorol | wobin: that's the hardest solution |
| 11:45.29 | Wobin | but after 3 of us getting webbed simultanously |
| 11:45.34 | Wobin | then getting blinded upon leaving web |
| 11:45.36 | ZorbaTHut | legorol, the CC abilities they have make that difficult |
| 11:45.39 | Wobin | it cut things short |
| 11:45.43 | Legorol | ZorbaTHut: i know |
| 11:45.53 | Wobin | (at the knees) |
| 11:46.23 | Wobin | Jerub, so it -is- an undergeared group? =) |
| 11:46.43 | Wobin | hehe we did the mage invis on the second boss for the achievement |
| 11:46.46 | Wobin | mage died |
| 11:46.53 | Wobin | and we still had enough time to res him and run around the corner |
| 11:47.07 | Wobin | I was very convinced at his "feign death" |
| 11:47.08 | tem | that's so cheese |
| 11:47.18 | tem | that achievement is fun to do correctly |
| 11:47.26 | tem | watch him die is a pain, though |
| 11:47.57 | tem | we had the best luck with 2 tanks on that one |
| 11:47.57 | Wobin | managed to get less-rabi with a rogue shaman and warrior interrupting |
| 11:47.58 | Wobin | (and vent) |
| 11:48.05 | tem | pally tank on all the adds, and a second tank on the boss |
| 11:48.06 | ZorbaTHut | we got totally lucky on less-rabi |
| 11:48.16 | ZorbaTHut | he tried to mammothize at about 2% and somehow someone interrupted him |
| 11:48.19 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut, yeah =) |
| 11:48.22 | tem | I cheesed less-rabi with fok interrupts |
| 11:48.29 | DWSR | Fuck you. :P |
| 11:48.32 | Jerub | kitty interrupts are good, but australian lag makes it impossible. |
| 11:48.36 | DWSR | That's the one achievement I need for my red drake |
| 11:48.37 | Wobin | fok interrupts? |
| 11:48.40 | ZorbaTHut | tem, that's what I did on my first attempt. he successfully mammothized at 2% :D |
| 11:48.45 | DWSR | Wobin: Throwing Spec. used to make FoK interrupt. |
| 11:48.47 | tem | :( |
| 11:48.48 | Wobin | aha |
| 11:48.50 | ZorbaTHut | which is one reason the second attempt was so surprising. |
| 11:49.04 | tem | how'd you not kill him at 2%? |
| 11:49.05 | DWSR | reverb shaman is now the new easiest method. |
| 11:49.16 | ZorbaTHut | tem, that was the problem: we didn't not kill him. |
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| 11:49.22 | ZorbaTHut | that's why the second attempt was months later :( |
| 11:49.22 | tem | heh |
| 11:49.51 | tem | okay, it's way past bed time for me |
| 11:49.54 | tem | later yall |
| 11:49.58 | Wobin | DWSR, hehe as long as the sham spams windshear |
| 11:50.03 | mikma | fisker-: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFQ3gGzyNG0 |
| 11:50.07 | DWSR | Wobin: yep |
| 11:50.08 | Wobin | but I couldn't be arsed respeccing for it |
| 11:51.42 | Legorol | less-rabi is a major pain |
| 11:51.55 | Legorol | if you want to make it easier, throw more dps at it and nuke the shit out of him before he has a chance to cast again |
| 11:52.04 | Wobin | so is the "share the love" one |
| 11:52.07 | Legorol | a good solution for that is to go with 1 tank + 4 dps (no healer needed with reasonable tank) |
| 11:52.09 | Wobin | Legorol, yeah, easiest solution |
| 11:52.13 | Legorol | share the love is not hard, it's just boring |
| 11:52.20 | Wobin | takes soooo long =( |
| 11:52.25 | Legorol | less-rabi is genuinely hard |
| 11:52.30 | Legorol | wobin: there are tricks you can employ to speed it up |
| 11:52.38 | Wobin | line of sight? |
| 11:52.44 | Wobin | ranging? |
| 11:52.45 | Legorol | go with 2 tanks, and initially have your 2 dps and the OT break LOS |
| 11:52.46 | Legorol | yes |
| 11:52.55 | Legorol | wait for healer to get impaled |
| 11:53.01 | Legorol | then OT comes in, taunts, wait for MT to get impaled |
| 11:53.07 | Legorol | once MT is impaled, you are home free |
| 11:53.09 | Wobin | yeah, we did that |
| 11:53.11 | DWSR | killing yourself as a DPSer works as well. :P |
| 11:53.20 | Wobin | we had the healer OT =) |
| 11:53.20 | Legorol | well yes, there is a "cheat mode" |
| 11:53.37 | Legorol | somehow that achi counts people ressed in combat as new individuals |
| 11:53.46 | Legorol | so you can get 5 unique impales with the tank never getting it |
| 11:53.50 | Legorol | eg. soulstone, rebirth or ankh |
| 11:53.57 | Wobin | I mean, really, it's totally not a dps race, just an aggro one |
| 11:54.03 | Legorol | aggro? |
| 11:54.11 | Wobin | well, aggro being impaling =P |
| 11:54.12 | Legorol | aggro is irrelevant as well, isn't it? he is totally tauntable |
| 11:54.16 | Legorol | ah |
| 11:54.22 | Legorol | i thought impale is completely random |
| 11:54.26 | Wobin | it is |
| 11:54.30 | Legorol | is confused |
| 11:54.34 | Wobin | and by race I mean waiting around a lot =P |
| 11:54.39 | Legorol | haha |
| 11:54.46 | Wobin | is clarity imbued =P |
| 11:54.53 | Fisker- | i hate youtube mikma |
| 11:55.26 | mikma | fisker-: that's because it hates you |
| 11:55.42 | Fisker- | it hates everyone |
| 11:55.44 | Fisker- | video ads = :( |
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| 11:57.44 | Stanzilla | this video is not allowed in your country is even worse |
| 11:57.56 | Wobin | it was pretty good |
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| 12:00.24 | DWSR | Does anyone know how to make Fontain override the font size? |
| 12:00.45 | DWSR | I'm using a UIscale < 1, and the font is currently too small to comfortably read. |
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| 12:06.18 | ZorbaTHut | huh, interesting, you actually can buy gold now without breaking Blizz rules |
| 12:06.29 | ZorbaTHut | the TCG redemption mounts are tradeable ingame |
| 12:06.48 | Fisker- | true Stanzilla |
| 12:06.55 | Fisker- | old ZorbaTHut |
| 12:07.13 | Fisker- | it was also allowed to sell the codes for gold |
| 12:07.24 | ZorbaTHut | new to me |
| 12:09.05 | ZorbaTHut | I'll have to go add 'em to auctioneer :D |
| 12:10.48 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11539273850&sid=1&pageNo=2#26 <- Baw baw BAW BAW BAW BAWWWWWWWWW |
| 12:18.02 | Bibi- | tem|afk : Done uploading 185 screenshots |
| 12:19.23 | Fisker- | \o/ |
| 12:22.25 | mikma | haste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIWQ-44wBXo |
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| 12:24.37 | Ancu | I am getting the pandaren monk |
| 12:25.42 | Wobin | better hurry before it gets -sold out- again =P |
| 12:26.31 | Ancu | Speaking of wich. was there ever an official blue post about that? |
| 12:27.55 | Wobin | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=21038225303&sid=1&pageNo=1#4 ? |
| 12:28.26 | olafski | awwwww fisker ;D |
| 12:28.32 | Ancu | sweet, I will check it once this page finishes loading. Stupid dialup |
| 12:28.37 | Jerub | aaaand i ended up doing dps/heals for that UK run |
| 12:29.00 | Ancu | what uk run jerub? |
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| 12:29.44 | mikma | haste: heh, look at this girl go! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqlbaEewfCU |
| 12:32.27 | Ancu | wow...thats the lamest blue post ever |
| 12:33.34 | Wobin | mikma, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsGP47GwVfQ&feature=related |
| 12:36.05 | Jerub | Ancu: uk run of fail i was in |
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| 12:36.32 | Jerub | i topped dps at 2k with next at 1.2k, the guy who invited me QQ and so did the (undergeared) healer. |
| 12:36.36 | Ancu | what realm are you on? |
| 12:36.49 | Jerub | dath'remar |
| 12:36.52 | Jerub | (us) |
| 12:37.12 | Ancu | oh, k. nvm. |
| 12:37.13 | Jerub | (I was tank) |
| 12:37.30 | Ancu | my aunt was just telling me about an heroic uk run she ran last night |
| 12:38.42 | Legorol | Jerub: 1.2k is sufficient for a heroic in principle. That used to be the minimum dps required to beat berserk timer on bosses in Naxx10 |
| 12:38.59 | Jerub | Legorol: 800 however, is not quite good enough |
| 12:39.04 | Legorol | agreed |
| 12:39.13 | Industrial | at level 80? really? |
| 12:39.21 | Legorol | doing 800 means he doesn't know how to play |
| 12:39.26 | Industrial | I did near 3k after I dinged on my hunter |
| 12:39.27 | Legorol | even in quest greens you can do more at 80 with every class |
| 12:39.29 | Industrial | and 2.5 on my shaman |
| 12:39.35 | Legorol | Industrial: depends on your gear a bit |
| 12:39.38 | Legorol | but 800 is ridiculous |
| 12:39.40 | Industrial | Legorol: greens. |
| 12:39.47 | Jerub | lots of greens and blues all round |
| 12:40.04 | Jerub | fortuantely i got 2 gears pallys in and we chain pulled through the instance. |
| 12:40.24 | Jerub | i raid heal toc10+25 on this toon, so i was doing DPS as well as 'heal'ing. |
| 12:40.38 | Jerub | anyway, wife is calling me to bed. |
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| 12:53.01 | zenzio | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ |
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| 12:53.55 | Wobin | 800 typically means they don't understand a rotation |
| 12:55.04 | Wobin | zenzio, rofl |
| 12:55.17 | Industrial | or the concept of mashing buttons |
| 12:55.33 | Wobin | oh god |
| 12:55.50 | Wobin | how the hell can they type that fast |
| 12:56.23 | Wobin | ENHANCE! ENHANCE! CROP! ROTATE! ZOOM IN ON THAT REFLECTION! |
| 12:57.03 | Industrial | I didnt know numb3rs was bogus-tech :( now I have no incentive to ever illegally download and watch it. |
| 12:57.06 | Fisker | :( |
| 12:57.12 | Fisker | i need a headset |
| 12:57.17 | Industrial | buy one. |
| 12:57.20 | Wobin | I usually like numb3r's plots |
| 12:57.26 | DWSR | lol |
| 12:57.29 | DWSR | That clip makes me roflies. |
| 12:57.30 | Wobin | this was pretty terrible though =) |
| 12:57.52 | Wobin | Industrial, usually the maths tends towards the somewhat impractical |
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| 12:57.55 | Wobin | but it's usually fun! |
| 12:58.02 | Industrial | "thats so ho-CLIP" |
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| 12:59.29 | DWSR | Anyone here use Aloft? |
| 13:00.07 | Wobin | Industrial, They totally should have made a "I'M ON A BOAT" joke |
| 13:00.35 | DWSR | lol |
| 13:01.11 | Wobin | also |
| 13:01.22 | Wobin | <the fist> and <00zemeister> have entered #channel irc |
| 13:01.30 | Wobin | AWESOME |
| 13:01.35 | DWSR | http://wowui.pastey.net/128350 <- Halp plz? |
| 13:02.00 | Wobin | DWSR, download with libraries? =P |
| 13:02.12 | DWSR | Wobin: I have Ace3 installed seperately, and other Ace3 mods are working atm |
| 13:02.17 | Arrowmaster | about as bad as the one where they tried to say they could identify the author of a website because of the little unique styles in the html |
| 13:02.35 | Wobin | Arrowmaster, "Zomg, he uses BLINK TAGS"? |
| 13:03.04 | Wobin | *** loading .ircr version 2.9.5+Cr17f+F08 =P |
| 13:04.17 | Arrowmaster | its just amazing how they give that description that makes it sound like you would never be able to find them but then its as simple as creating an alert for when they 'come online' |
| 13:05.04 | Wobin | it's a good thing they were monitoring every single IRC network in the world |
| 13:05.08 | Torhal | I love when they're "analyzing the network traffic" and shit scrolls down the screen like The Matrix. |
| 13:08.21 | Trela | Ow, my brain hurts from watching that clip about IRC from that show. :o |
| 13:08.29 | Trela | Too early for that! |
| 13:09.23 | DWSR | God I love Banishing resto druids |
| 13:09.26 | DWSR | It's just so satisfying |
| 13:10.16 | olafski | wobin: hackers can talk in plain sight, nobody understands what they say anyway |
| 13:10.19 | olafski | except cops |
| 13:10.51 | DWSR | Not even cops |
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| 13:17.02 | DWSR | Is there a soft cap on resilience?> |
| 13:19.53 | DWSR | ~wiki Resilience |
| 13:22.02 | Aelo | lulz xD |
| 13:23.42 | DWSR | Someone want to tell me why Aloft can't find Ace3? |
| 13:23.46 | DWSR | But I'm running PB4 without problems? |
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| 13:24.44 | Aelo | shouldn't every addon have it's own copy of the library in case it isn't loaded when your addon is loaded? |
| 13:25.10 | DWSR | Ah, loading order. |
| 13:25.20 | DWSR | I guess I should install it with embedded libs this time. |
| 13:25.20 | Wobin | DWSR, check that Ace3 is listed as a dependancy in Aloft's toc |
| 13:25.27 | DWSR | Wobin: mkay. |
| 13:25.29 | Wobin | well, that's what I said the first time =P |
| 13:25.47 | DWSR | Oh. |
| 13:25.50 | DWSR | Aloft uses Ace2. |
| 13:25.53 | DWSR | >.< |
| 13:26.12 | DWSR | Here's me guessing Ace3 is NOT backwards compatible. |
| 13:26.19 | Wobin | this is true |
| 13:26.28 | DWSR | I have thusly solved my problem |
| 13:26.31 | Wobin | cause that would have been painful |
| 13:28.00 | DWSR | Guess I need Ace2. |
| 13:28.58 | DWSR | interestingly, Aloft does not have embedded libs |
| 13:31.20 | DWSR | thanks Wobin & Co. |
| 13:31.42 | DWSR | Ahh, awesome. |
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| 13:32.26 | DWSR | Now, next question. I'm using an addon to move all of my frames down via CharacterFrame:SetAttribute("UIPanelLayout-yoffset", -90), etc. |
| 13:33.49 | DWSR | However, I'm getting Message: ...erface\AddOns\BlizzFrameMover\BlizzardFrameMover.lua line 8: attempt to index global 'TradeSkillFrame' (a nil value) |
| 13:33.58 | DWSR | This stuff is just being run whenever the addon is loaded. |
| 13:35.14 | Wobin | I would check line 8 of BlizzFrameMover... |
| 13:35.36 | mikma | meh |
| 13:35.57 | DWSR | Wobin: ;) |
| 13:36.16 | Wobin | Just sayin =P |
| 13:36.38 | DWSR | Obviously, the frame hasn't been created when the line is being run. My question is: How do I look for that frame's creation, and then run that line? |
| 13:36.50 | Wobin | make it a dependancy of the addon |
| 13:37.08 | Wobin | Blizzard_TradeSkillUI |
| 13:37.17 | taleden | a lot of the Blizzard internal addons are LOD, so you could split your move-the-frame line into a separate addon that loads-with .. what wobin said |
| 13:37.34 | nevcairiel | meh thats ugly, just register for their OnLoads |
| 13:37.43 | nevcairiel | er, ADDON_LOADED |
| 13:37.44 | nevcairiel | i mean |
| 13:37.45 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 13:37.54 | Wobin | nevcairiel, eh, if they're LOD, they might never load |
| 13:38.06 | nevcairiel | Then he doesnt have to change them, does he! |
| 13:38.28 | Wobin | but he ends up having to write a check for each frame |
| 13:38.29 | zenzio | personally I think I would prefer nev's way |
| 13:38.31 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Ok, a bit of help then? |
| 13:38.34 | nevcairiel | He just wants to move them, no need to move stuff thats not loaded |
| 13:38.43 | DWSR | I'm an addon development virgin. |
| 13:38.47 | nevcairiel | Wobin: in contrast to one addon for every frame? :P |
| 13:39.00 | nevcairiel | oh wait, that wasnt your idea |
| 13:39.10 | Wobin | yeah, my solution loads them all up =P |
| 13:39.23 | Wobin | but yours will teach DWSR more about addon programming! |
| 13:39.34 | Wobin | Take it away, Mr cairiel |
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| 13:41.17 | nevcairiel | man why is the latest ptr patch so big again |
| 13:41.21 | nevcairiel | i just want to fix an addon |
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| 13:42.32 | olafski | no worries about fixing |
| 13:42.38 | olafski | blizzard doesn't either ;) |
| 13:42.43 | olafski | (I get a script error on the login screen :() |
| 13:42.56 | olafski | and I can't do the new 5mans on the ptr, buuhuu :( |
| 13:43.09 | nevcairiel | the script error is still there? |
| 13:43.18 | olafski | yep |
| 13:43.35 | olafski | I don't think addons have any access there so it must be blizzard's fault |
| 13:43.49 | nevcairiel | yeah gluexml is blizzy land |
| 13:44.19 | zenzio | hai peppy |
| 13:44.26 | Lopeppeppy | Morning. |
| 13:44.54 | DWSR | Ok. |
| 13:44.57 | DWSR | So, registering for an event. |
| 13:45.04 | DWSR | Point me in the right direction! :P |
| 13:45.41 | nevcairiel | !api RegisterEvent |
| 13:45.41 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'RegisterEvent': Frame:RegisterEvent, Frame:UnregisterEvent |
| 13:45.52 | nevcairiel | !api Frame:RegisterEvent |
| 13:45.53 | lua_bot | Frame:RegisterEvent: Registers the frame for an [[docs/events|event]] (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/RegisterEvent) |
| 13:46.57 | olafski | wowwiki.com has some nice howtos about addon development |
| 13:47.48 | DWSR | Wait. |
| 13:47.54 | DWSR | So I have to create a frame in order to handle events? |
| 13:47.59 | DWSR | Even if my addon doesn't display ANYTHING? |
| 13:48.00 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 13:48.24 | DWSR | =\ |
| 13:49.10 | zenzio | hm, so Dollhouse ends after two seasons. I guess I wasn't the only one who didn't find it interesting |
| 13:49.26 | mikma | heh |
| 13:49.28 | nevcairiel | it was "interesting" |
| 13:49.30 | mitch0 | DWSR: it's pretty easy like to create a dummy frame, you know :) |
| 13:49.36 | Wobin | zenzio, two seasons seems the average age of recent tv series |
| 13:49.41 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 13:49.45 | Wobin | I hope Castle lasts longer |
| 13:49.45 | zenzio | Wobin: true |
| 13:49.48 | DWSR | mitch0: CreateFrame("Frame");? |
| 13:50.00 | mitch0 | uhhum |
| 13:52.43 | DWSR | What does ... stand for? Everything else? |
| 13:52.58 | DWSR | It's just like $3- in Perl? |
| 13:54.01 | zenzio | hm, so there already was a "Go!" language... will be interesting to see how that turns out |
| 13:54.13 | krka | don't think google will back down |
| 13:54.32 | zenzio | I wouldn't expect them to, but you never know. That's what makes it interesting |
| 13:56.28 | krka | haha funny comment http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1441194&cid=30071702 |
| 13:58.01 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Something like this would work? http://wowui.pastey.net/128358 |
| 13:58.39 | nevcairiel | i wonder if thats valid syntax for ... |
| 13:58.52 | haste | it is |
| 13:59.02 | nevcairiel | looks weird to have it in a if like that |
| 13:59.10 | haste | it's basically the same as: if (...) == 'something' then |
| 13:59.24 | DWSR | Should I double quote or single quote, btw? |
| 13:59.30 | haste | up to you |
| 13:59.33 | nevcairiel | whatever you prefer |
| 13:59.34 | haste | no difference in lua |
| 13:59.36 | DWSR | k |
| 13:59.45 | DWSR | Is that all valid though? |
| 13:59.47 | nevcairiel | you can also [[ it! |
| 14:00.01 | nevcairiel | seems valid |
| 14:00.07 | DWSR | alright |
| 14:00.11 | DWSR | Time to try it out, I guess. |
| 14:00.32 | haste | it is valid, trust me! |
| 14:00.34 | nevcairiel | meh ptr patch gooo faster |
| 14:00.39 | DWSR | lol |
| 14:00.41 | DWSR | I never trust haste. |
| 14:00.43 | haste | Aren't I the syntax raper after all? |
| 14:00.46 | DWSR | Haste makes waste. |
| 14:01.10 | haste | lua> a = 'fu' b = function(...) if(... == 'test') then print('I told you) end |
| 14:01.12 | lua_bot | haste: luabot:1: unfinished string near '<eof>' |
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| 14:01.14 | haste | damn it keyboard! |
| 14:01.18 | DWSR | LOL\ |
| 14:01.25 | haste | notice my failure thar! |
| 14:01.42 | haste | lua> a = 'fu' b = function(...) if(... == 'fu') then print('I told you') end end b'fu' |
| 14:01.42 | lua_bot | haste: I told you |
| 14:01.44 | DWSR | alright |
| 14:01.49 | DWSR | So. |
| 14:01.56 | DWSR | It doesn't cause my WoW to spontaneously combust. |
| 14:02.00 | DWSR | It also doesn't do what I want. |
| 14:02.03 | nevcairiel | b'fu' should be banend from valid layout |
| 14:02.04 | Wobin | \o/ |
| 14:02.07 | haste | lies |
| 14:02.13 | DWSR | But, I'm running DoubleWideProfessions. Could that do something to it? |
| 14:02.19 | haste | I'll rais you with b{fu} ! |
| 14:02.38 | Wobin | DWSR, undoubtedly |
| 14:02.48 | nevcairiel | the only good thing that comes out of it, is if you build a class definition with it =p |
| 14:02.49 | DWSR | Wobin: The frame is still called that, though |
| 14:02.54 | nevcairiel | class "MyClass" { ... } |
| 14:03.06 | Wobin | DWSR, but it probably does the same as your addon |
| 14:03.06 | DWSR | And Blizzard_TradeSkillUI IS loaded. |
| 14:03.12 | Wobin | finds when the frame is loaded |
| 14:03.15 | Wobin | then modifies it |
| 14:03.27 | DWSR | hm |
| 14:04.19 | DWSR | No, it doesn't, actually. |
| 14:06.35 | DWSR | Used the wrong adddon name |
| 14:06.38 | DWSR | addon* |
| 14:06.46 | DWSR | Blizz != Blizzard >.< |
| 14:06.51 | DWSR | Let's see if this works |
| 14:07.39 | DWSR | Awesome, works. :) Thanks guys |
| 14:10.20 | DWSR | Is there a list of all of the frames that come from Blizzard's default ui? |
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| 14:15.16 | mikma | jebus christ, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACm9yECwSso |
| 14:15.21 | mikma | shirik quality. |
| 14:15.49 | DWSR | lol |
| 14:16.01 | DWSR | mikma: You know those casket looking things in the opening sequence? |
| 14:16.37 | bleeter | http://twitter.com/britneyspears |
| 14:16.40 | bleeter | i hope that the new world order will arrive as soon as possible! -Britney |
| 14:16.45 | bleeter | I give myself to Lucifer every day for it to arrive as quickly as possible. Glory to Satan! |
| 14:16.53 | mikma | dwsr: umm, nope? |
| 14:16.54 | bleeter | (all with an illuminati background) |
| 14:17.12 | DWSR | I give myself to Lucifer every day for it to arrive as quickly as possible. Glory to Satan! <-- lol, wtf. |
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| 14:17.43 | DWSR | mikma: 0:19 |
| 14:17.50 | mikma | might not be teh real britny |
| 14:18.02 | mikma | dwsr: yes, and? i saw them when i watched the mvid :) |
| 14:18.13 | bleeter | mikma: verified account, it's the real thing :P |
| 14:19.06 | DWSR | mikma: They're actually Thules. |
| 14:19.12 | DWSR | http://www.thule.com/en/CA/Products/Snowsports/SkiBoxes/159645.aspx |
| 14:19.34 | mikma | dwsr: lol |
| 14:19.37 | Wobin | rofl at the cloak at the end |
| 14:19.49 | DWSR | mikma: So she basically shoved some people into a fucking ski box. |
| 14:19.54 | DWSR | That's meant for the roof of a car. |
| 14:20.28 | mikma | dwsr: "what's wrong with you, they are skiboxes bitch!" |
| 14:21.01 | DWSR | anyway, just something amusing of note. :P |
| 14:21.53 | Wobin | bleeter, rofl |
| 14:21.57 | Wobin | it's her 'verified' account too |
| 14:23.22 | nevcairiel | somehow it feels like it was hacked |
| 14:23.25 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 14:23.30 | Wobin | nooo =( |
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| 14:35.01 | DWSR | Is a line terminator optional in Lua? |
| 14:35.47 | Wobin | yes |
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| 14:38.06 | haste | DWSR: you have the FrameXML, that's really it |
| 14:38.14 | haste | DWSR: you could just generate a list yourself ofc |
| 14:39.13 | Grum | <DWSR> It's just like $3- in Perl? <-- that doesnt exist in perl :P |
| 14:39.58 | Grum | i think, that only exists in mIRC script tbh :) |
| 14:40.16 | DWSR | lol, perhaps. |
| 14:40.20 | DWSR | It's useful. |
| 14:40.30 | DWSR | I probably got my languages mixed up, but yes. |
| 14:40.30 | Grum | only marginally |
| 14:40.34 | DWSR | $3- as in mircscript. |
| 14:40.54 | Grum | that would be $_[3..$#_] in perl |
| 14:41.41 | Grum | or splice @_, 2 :) |
| 14:41.45 | DWSR | haste: Do you mean generate a list using automagic, or by actually trying to find them? |
| 14:41.47 | DWSR | Grum: Indeed. |
| 14:42.03 | Grum | or; shift;shift ;) |
| 14:42.36 | Fisker | slaps Grum around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:42.43 | Grum | timtowtdi :( |
| 14:46.48 | haste | DWSR: by iterating over all frames with no addons loaded and dumping them |
| 14:46.59 | haste | DWSR: or you could parse over the Lua and XML files ofc |
| 14:47.39 | Fisker | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
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| 14:55.29 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7_xzAWLv-g&feature=related |
| 14:55.31 | Wobin | ^^ |
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| 15:18.50 | KaeltenAway | sylvanaar: I just answered your question, in two ways |
| 15:23.16 | DWSR | WOW. |
| 15:23.29 | DWSR | Glyph of Shadowflame = fucking OP. |
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| 15:36.15 | zenzelezz | DWSR: tell that to Nefarian |
| 15:36.21 | DWSR | zenzelezz: no shit. |
| 15:36.34 | DWSR | Circle + GloSF is fucking WRONG. |
| 15:36.45 | DWSR | Hello Mr. rogue. |
| 15:37.05 | DWSR | Shadowfury, Shadowflame, port, Immolate, Conflagrate. |
| 15:37.08 | DWSR | GOODNIGHT. |
| 15:37.31 | DWSR | The best is catching sprinting rogues with it. |
| 15:37.35 | DWSR | I R FREE....wait. |
| 15:37.36 | zenzelezz | still sounds like BWL |
| 15:38.00 | DWSR | lol, should call my toon Nefarion. |
| 15:38.03 | DWSR | RAWR. |
| 15:38.07 | zenzelezz | *an |
| 15:38.13 | DWSR | indeed. |
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| 15:40.11 | DWSR | How can I get the total number of chat windows? |
| 15:40.35 | Grum | its 7, constant defined somewhere |
| 15:40.39 | Grum | prolly in ChatFrame.lua |
| 15:40.39 | Cide | you count them from 1...n |
| 15:40.49 | Cide | when you reach n, there is your answer |
| 15:41.09 | DWSR | Grum: I meant the total number of displayed windows. |
| 15:41.25 | DWSR | And also, how can I get the total number of chat tabs ChatFrame1 has. |
| 15:41.34 | Cide | you count them from 1...n |
| 15:41.45 | Cide | when you reach n, there is your answer |
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| 15:41.57 | Grum | yup, just iterate over them and see if they are there :D |
| 15:42.39 | Seerah | for i=1,7 do if _G["ChatFrame"..i] then print(i) else break end end |
| 15:43.02 | Cide | or just do it on your hands |
| 15:43.23 | Seerah | :) |
| 15:43.33 | DWSR | Seerah: Right, but I don't have all 7 chat frames displayed. |
| 15:43.40 | DWSR | Yet that gives me 1->7 |
| 15:44.02 | Seerah | I didn't think they were created if you weren't using them. |
| 15:44.16 | Cide | have you heard of Frame:IsVisible()? |
| 15:44.25 | Cide | I believe it's not useful here |
| 15:44.35 | Seerah | would that work if they were... yeah... docked |
| 15:44.37 | DWSR | Cide: I'm an addon virgin. Does that help you understand why I'm asking such dumb questions? |
| 15:44.53 | Cide | virgins always ask dumb questions |
| 15:44.59 | Seerah | you're an addon virgin, yet you're in the wowuidev channel? :p |
| 15:45.01 | Cide | err... |
| 15:45.24 | Seerah | addon virgin == never used addons ;) |
| 15:45.31 | DWSR | +development. :P |
| 15:45.46 | Seerah | then you're a lua/xml virgin :p |
| 15:46.00 | DWSR | indeed |
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| 15:47.13 | Legorol | Seerah: don't scare them away! Virgins are always welcome here. |
| 15:47.17 | Legorol | of all variety |
| 15:47.21 | DWSR | lol |
| 15:47.31 | Seerah | for sacrifices? or... other reasons?... ;) |
| 15:48.15 | Legorol | so that we can indoctrinate them and take away their innocence, of course |
| 15:48.15 | Legorol | and show them the Way of the Lua |
| 15:48.56 | DWSR | alright, I'm trying to move the chat tabs from the top of the chat frame to the bottom. |
| 15:49.21 | Legorol | DWSR: that will be pretty hard |
| 15:49.23 | DWSR | So I can snuggle the chat frames right up to the top of the screen, which currently isn't happening because the client makes sure that the frame is far enough away in order to show the chat tabs. |
| 15:49.43 | DWSR | :( |
| 15:49.47 | Seerah | yeah, it's difficult - why Prat, etc. don't do it |
| 15:49.55 | Legorol | if i remember right, the tabs are not actually appended on to the frame as such, but instead there is a larger frame which includes the tab as well as the text part |
| 15:50.09 | Legorol | but my memory is a bit fuzzy on this |
| 15:50.10 | DWSR | God damnit. >.< |
| 15:50.30 | Seerah | have you tried making the chat frame not be clamped to screen? |
| 15:50.43 | Seerah | (or tabs, if that's the problem) |
| 15:50.53 | DWSR | That's not really good, because then I can't get at the tabs, now can I? |
| 15:51.17 | Seerah | no, but you can have keybinds for them |
| 15:51.21 | DWSR | :o |
| 15:51.24 | Ginji | I despise the chat logic in wow, who in their right mind addresses channels by a number |
| 15:51.28 | Seerah | (if not in default, then Prat does it, and there's another mod, I think that does) |
| 15:52.23 | Legorol | ginji: you have to enumerate them somehow.. integers are as good as any, no? |
| 15:52.34 | DWSR | prat does it. |
| 15:52.36 | Legorol | and /1 is certainly shorter than /General |
| 15:52.40 | Seerah | Ginji: /3 is a hell of a lot easier to type than /Local Defense (which is the channel? "Local" with a message of "defense"? Or "Local Defense?") |
| 15:52.55 | Ginji | But those numbers aren't fixed |
| 15:53.01 | Ginji | Not all anyway |
| 15:53.14 | Seerah | then you look them up ;) |
| 15:54.04 | DWSR | Seerah: Alright, how can I stop the chat frame/chat tabs from being clamped to the screen? |
| 15:54.18 | stuf | I dunno, I use irssi for IRC, so here all chat windows are behind numbers, so it's not a big deal =D |
| 15:55.16 | Seerah | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/SetClampedToScreen |
| 15:55.31 | haste | I switched from irssi to weechat recently |
| 15:55.37 | haste | not looking back, amazingly enough |
| 15:55.45 | Ancu | wow...thats a verry spacific answer |
| 15:56.01 | DWSR | nil and false are false, 0 is true in Lua, right? |
| 15:56.13 | Seerah | true is true |
| 15:56.18 | Seerah | false is false |
| 15:56.36 | Ancu | nil is nil |
| 15:56.36 | DWSR | isn't nil false? |
| 15:56.40 | Legorol | 0 is neither true, nor false |
| 15:56.43 | Seerah | whether a function accepts nil or 1/0 instead of true/false is up to the function and what it looks for/interprets |
| 15:56.46 | Legorol | but it evaluates to true if used as a conditional |
| 15:57.03 | Legorol | if (0) then print("Hello") end will print Hello |
| 15:57.24 | DWSR | if (nil) then print("Hello") end should print nothing, correct? |
| 15:57.29 | Legorol | that's right |
| 15:57.45 | Legorol | people were just picking on you because you said "nil is false", which is not technically correct |
| 15:57.46 | DWSR | if (false) then print("Hello") end prints the same thing, right? |
| 15:57.57 | Legorol | nil is not false, but it evaluates to false when used as a conditional |
| 15:57.59 | Legorol | however, for example: |
| 15:58.00 | DWSR | i.e. nothing |
| 15:58.02 | Seerah | lua> if false then print("Hello") end |
| 15:58.04 | lua_bot | Seerah: No output |
| 15:58.12 | Legorol | if (nil == false) then print("Hello") end will not print Hello |
| 15:58.20 | DWSR | ah, ok |
| 15:58.25 | Legorol | lua> if (nil == false) then print("Hello") end |
| 15:58.26 | lua_bot | Legorol: No output |
| 15:58.38 | Legorol | so nil is most definitely not false :) |
| 15:58.40 | Legorol | nor is it true |
| 15:58.46 | Legorol | lua> if (nil == true) then print("Hello") end |
| 15:58.47 | lua_bot | Legorol: No output |
| 15:59.12 | Seerah | but checking just for false won't print "Hello". Only if you compare it with something and the return is true |
| 15:59.19 | krka | lua> if (nil == False) then print("Hello") end |
| 15:59.20 | lua_bot | krka: Hello |
| 15:59.30 | Seerah | lua> local testvar = false if testvar == false then print("Hello") end |
| 15:59.31 | lua_bot | Seerah: Hello |
| 15:59.48 | krka | lua> if (nil == True) then print("Hello") end |
| 15:59.49 | lua_bot | krka: Hello |
| 15:59.55 | krka | weird, nil is both True and False |
| 16:00.02 | Seerah | true =/= True |
| 16:00.21 | Seerah | True *is* nil |
| 16:00.38 | Seerah | same with False v. false |
| 16:00.47 | krka | oh i see, thanks! |
| 16:01.06 | DWSR | What's _G? Something global? |
| 16:01.11 | Legorol | krka: naughty |
| 16:01.18 | Legorol | Seerah: krka knows that, he is pulling your leg |
| 16:01.26 | krka | _G is like G_G, but with one eye missing |
| 16:01.37 | krka | probably in some sort of freakish hash table accident |
| 16:01.41 | Seerah | I know :P just saying for the others that don't :p Figured I'd teach instead of scold :) |
| 16:01.47 | Seerah | ~lart krka |
| 16:01.47 | purl | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, krka!" and lops off krka's head |
| 16:01.49 | Legorol | DWSR: all global variables are stored in a special table called _G. You can access them through _G if you feel like it |
| 16:01.51 | Seerah | now I'll scold :P |
| 16:01.58 | Legorol | there are some cases where that's the only way to get to a variable. |
| 16:02.06 | Legorol | Examples: |
| 16:02.10 | krka | by _default_, _G is a global variable pointing to the global environment |
| 16:02.24 | Legorol | lua> thisIsGlobal = 3; print(thisIsGlobal); print(_G["thisIsGlobal"]); print(_G.thisIsGlobal) |
| 16:02.25 | lua_bot | Legorol: 3, 3, 3 |
| 16:02.29 | krka | but _G should not be trusted to point to the actual environment |
| 16:02.41 | Legorol | krka: he is still very beginner, don't confuse him with environments |
| 16:02.58 | Legorol | DWSR: ignore krka's stuff :) |
| 16:03.15 | Legorol | DWSR: you may ask, what's the point of using _G if you can access those same variables directly anyway, like in the example above |
| 16:03.29 | Legorol | using _G is necessary when you want to programmatically construct the name of the variable |
| 16:03.30 | Seerah | DWSR: I used it above, because we weren't specifically looking up ChatFrame1, we were looking for ChatFrame + whatever number i was on appended to the end. So we had to concatenate them together ("ChatFrame"..i) and look it up in the table since it was a string instead of a frame reference. |
| 16:04.31 | DWSR | So if I wanted to do ChatFrame<n>Tab, I'd do _G["ChatFrame"..n.."Tab"]? |
| 16:04.43 | Legorol | correct |
| 16:05.32 | Legorol | lua> kk = 3; nameOfVariable = "kk"; print(kk, nameOfVariable, _g[nameOfVariable]) |
| 16:05.33 | lua_bot | Legorol: luabot:1: attempt to index global '_g' (a nil value) |
| 16:05.37 | Legorol | oops |
| 16:05.39 | Legorol | lua> kk = 3; nameOfVariable = "kk"; print(kk, nameOfVariable, _G[nameOfVariable]) |
| 16:05.40 | lua_bot | Legorol: 3, kk, 3 |
| 16:06.00 | Legorol | in this example: kk is a global variable, its value is 3. nameOfVariable is a global variable, its value is "kk" (a string) |
| 16:06.15 | DWSR | If I wanted to call...ChatFrame<n>Tab:SetClampedToScreen(disable), I'd use _G["ChatFrame"..n.."Tab"]:SetClampedToScreen(...)? |
| 16:06.17 | Legorol | we want to access the variable whose name is stored in nameOfVariable, so we use _G |
| 16:06.23 | Legorol | correct |
| 16:06.39 | DWSR | Ok, think I'm getting it |
| 16:06.43 | Legorol | i'd put in a bracket for readability: (_G["ChatFrame"..n.."Tab"]):SetClampedToScreen(...) |
| 16:06.45 | Seerah | SetClampedToScreen(false) |
| 16:06.57 | Legorol | I'm not sure what the precedence rules are for [] and : |
| 16:07.11 | Seerah | but the readability thing is just for whatever makes it easier for you to interpret |
| 16:07.33 | krka | paah, i refuse to be ignored |
| 16:07.43 | Seerah | ~amuse krka |
| 16:07.50 | krka | everyone who's implemented their own lua vm, raise their hands |
| 16:07.54 | DWSR | Odd. |
| 16:07.59 | Legorol | raises krka's hand |
| 16:07.59 | krka | respect mah authority! |
| 16:08.00 | Seerah | ? |
| 16:08.06 | DWSR | authorita* |
| 16:08.13 | krka | that just sounds silly! |
| 16:08.13 | Seerah | or authoritah?... |
| 16:08.24 | DWSR | So both ChatFrame1 and ChatFrame1Tab aren't clamped to the screen... |
| 16:08.26 | Legorol | krka: you have my respect, but not the authority :P |
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| 16:08.38 | krka | anyway, if your code is actively using _G, you're doing something wrong |
| 16:08.51 | Legorol | ? |
| 16:08.52 | krka | unfortunately, a lot of blizzard code is doing stuff wrong :/ |
| 16:08.55 | Legorol | how else do you use indirection? |
| 16:09.02 | Seerah | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hkcZilKChI |
| 16:09.04 | krka | indirection sucks |
| 16:09.07 | Legorol | like looping over all ChatFrames |
| 16:09.24 | Ginji | Gentoo is so much fun, it's always interesting to see how much a depclean affects your system after a reboot |
| 16:09.24 | Legorol | you could enumerate them once and stick them in a table, but you still have to do it once |
| 16:09.32 | krka | in that case, blizzard should have done something like ChatFrame[i] |
| 16:09.44 | Legorol | that causes problems with children naming |
| 16:09.46 | krka | yeah, i'd do that workaround |
| 16:10.04 | krka | true, the root cause is the stupid xml :P |
| 16:10.13 | Ginji | But then you'd have to hook somewhere for new chatframes that are added |
| 16:10.31 | Ginji | XML is like brute force, if it doesn't work you're not using enough of it |
| 16:10.53 | Legorol | krka: sort of |
| 16:11.12 | Legorol | but bear in mind that originally, the UI was designed to be described in XML, which is fairly effective at what it does imo |
| 16:11.25 | Legorol | the original design is straightforward and works fine for the Blizz UI |
| 16:11.28 | krka | for very simple stuff yes |
| 16:11.37 | DWSR | Ok, so how the fuck do I get the client to stop bumping my chat frames back down. >.< |
| 16:11.38 | krka | i find the advanced usages of the xml gets ugly quick :/ |
| 16:11.46 | DWSR | The chatframe and chatframetab are NOT clamped to the screen |
| 16:11.56 | Ginji | I find the wrong usage of XML get's ugly quick |
| 16:12.03 | DWSR | I find XML is ugly. |
| 16:12.05 | DWSR | Period. |
| 16:12.15 | Seerah | DWSR: when is it again that they get bumped back down? |
| 16:12.16 | haste | XML is XML done wrong! |
| 16:12.47 | krka | basically with xml, you have to have named frames that pollute the global namespace |
| 16:12.50 | krka | :/ |
| 16:12.58 | haste | DWSR: FCF_ValidateChatFramePosition |
| 16:13.24 | DWSR | haste: Err? |
| 16:13.41 | haste | it does what it says! |
| 16:13.51 | haste | it validates that the chatframes are within the screen |
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| 16:14.30 | DWSR | haste: So I get the fact that it does that...but where/what the fuck IS that from? |
| 16:14.40 | Seerah | the chat frame code |
| 16:14.40 | DWSR | And more importantly. |
| 16:14.45 | Seerah | ~framexml |
| 16:14.46 | purl | Official: (Mac) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.dmg, (Win) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.zip. Compare: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 16:14.56 | haste | DWSR: floatingchatframes.lua ofc! |
| 16:14.57 | DWSR | Oh good christ. >.< |
| 16:15.30 | haste | DWSR: http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/blob/master/FrameXML/FloatingChatFrame.lua#L1319 |
| 16:15.45 | Legorol | DWSR: chat frames are nasteh, you'd been warned |
| 16:15.45 | DWSR | Seerah: that installer crashes. |
| 16:15.59 | Seerah | the addon kit? |
| 16:16.10 | Legorol | It's a bit sad, many people who make an addon for the first time think of the simplest thing: let's do something with my chat frame. Unfortunately it's one of the nastier pieces of UI code. |
| 16:16.13 | DWSR | Legorol: Fairly warned be ye. |
| 16:16.14 | Seerah | shouldn't... did you run it from inside your wow directory? |
| 16:16.16 | DWSR | Seerah: Yes. |
| 16:16.26 | haste | DWSR: it's true, the chatframe code has barely changed over the years |
| 16:16.37 | DWSR | Seerah: No, why can't I just extract it to a temp directory and fucking install? |
| 16:16.38 | DWSR | Like srsly. |
| 16:16.47 | DWSR | this is 2009 |
| 16:16.50 | DWSR | It should Just Work |
| 16:17.01 | Seerah | are you on windows? or did you get the .zip file? |
| 16:17.05 | haste | it does just work! (under linux) |
| 16:17.14 | DWSR | Seerah: On windows, and yes I got the zip file. |
| 16:17.20 | Seerah | get the .dmg file |
| 16:17.22 | Seerah | the first link |
| 16:17.34 | Ginji | Chatframe is easy to work with |
| 16:17.35 | Seerah | oh wait |
| 16:17.36 | Seerah | I can't read |
| 16:17.39 | Ginji | print ( "something" ) |
| 16:17.44 | Seerah | sighs at her headache |
| 16:18.26 | Ginji | Drink more caffeine |
| 16:18.46 | Seerah | DWSR: take the application from inside the .zip file and put it in your wow directory. It doesn't "install" anything |
| 16:19.21 | DWSR | Seerah: Yes it does. |
| 16:19.27 | DWSR | I run it, it asks to install some things |
| 16:19.35 | DWSR | Therefore it installs, regardless of the actual process behind it. |
| 16:19.55 | DWSR | If there are special requirements for said installer they should be made clear when the installer starts. |
| 16:20.02 | DWSR | And the installer should not just crash. |
| 16:20.16 | Seerah | you were given the direct link to the download, and not the page it comes from. |
| 16:20.30 | Seerah | I said put it in your wow directory. just do it and quit your bitching. :) |
| 16:20.44 | DWSR | I'm pointing out that it's a terrible design flaw. |
| 16:20.53 | DWSR | I've already gone ahead and extracted it. |
| 16:21.03 | Seerah | the "addon kit" does not get installed. it "just works" |
| 16:21.26 | DWSR | It "Just Works" after I place it in a specific directory and press a few buttons. |
| 16:21.28 | Seerah | it has to be in your wow directory for it to pull the interface data and art out of the mpq files |
| 16:21.47 | Seerah | that's how it looks for them. you can then move it into your ptr directory and it'll work from there. |
| 16:21.58 | durcyn | yes, because pwd is the only way to read filesystems |
| 16:22.04 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 16:22.05 | krka | weird, i could run the addon kit from anywhere |
| 16:22.11 | krka | it detected where my install was |
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| 16:22.48 | durcyn | there's a registry key for it |
| 16:23.02 | Lopeppeppy | It eats kittens and small rodents. |
| 16:23.13 | krka | so does your face! |
| 16:23.22 | krka | no that didn't make much sense |
| 16:23.25 | Hirsute | So I've recently picked up Jewelcrafting. After starting to do the daily quest and picking up tokens, I noticed just how many recipes are purchasable with those tokens and crunched the numbers... it would take 509 days of the daily quests to get enough tokens to buy all the recipes. |
| 16:24.27 | krka | nice, Hirsute that means that the market won't be overcrowded with people who know all recipes |
| 16:24.50 | Hirsute | On my server, to buy all the titanium ore needed to prospect the 5090 dusts necessary to get the tokens, it would cost over 90k gold |
| 16:25.05 | DWSR | Ok |
| 16:25.05 | DWSR | So. |
| 16:25.06 | Hirsute | krka: Makes me irritated. I'm one of those who likes to know all the recipes. |
| 16:25.38 | DWSR | How do I stop FCF_ValidateChatFramePosition from doing its thing? I'm going to assume I can't just drag and drop an edited FloatingChatFrame.lua into my WoW install. |
| 16:26.09 | krka | Hirsute: wow is bad for OCD-people |
| 16:26.26 | Hirsute | Heh |
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| 16:28.29 | Ginji | Hirsute: don't forget the occasional extra token from a world drop |
| 16:28.50 | Lopeppeppy | ... as if. :) |
| 16:29.04 | Hirsute | Ginji: Oh, yes. That broken necklace that I used to get all the time before i picked up JCing, and haven't seen once since picking up the profession. |
| 16:29.38 | Ginji | hehe |
| 16:29.40 | Ginji | I've found one! |
| 16:30.33 | DWSR | lol |
| 16:30.47 | DWSR | This guy is going to charge me extra because he doesn't have a pattern that I want. |
| 16:30.49 | DWSR | But he can buy it |
| 16:30.53 | DWSR | what the fuck. |
| 16:32.15 | cogwheel | O.o |
| 16:32.20 | cogwheel | some people need to lern2economics |
| 16:32.25 | DWSR | Yeah, no shit. |
| 16:32.42 | DWSR | I don't mind tipping him extra for having the pattern, but it's not really an obscure pattern. |
| 16:32.47 | cogwheel | my wife |
| 16:32.50 | DWSR | sp/resilience is something that a lot of people are probably going to use. |
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| 16:33.00 | DWSR | But he's like "It's essentially a 4 day cooldown" |
| 16:33.11 | DWSR | I'm like, "Not really, you can stockpile tokens. You can't stockpile a cooldown" |
| 16:34.06 | Hirsute | Agreed, it isn't a valid comparison, however, it's still quite difficult to make sure you have the token patterns everyone may want. See my note above about what it would take to get them all. |
| 16:34.43 | Lopeppeppy | And you're obviously the first to ever ask for this thing |
| 16:35.09 | Ginji | I've charged for the buying of patterns with success |
| 16:35.16 | DWSR | Like I said. |
| 16:35.19 | DWSR | I don't mind tipping extra. |
| 16:35.22 | DWSR | Like, 20 or 30g extra. |
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| 16:35.30 | DWSR | But he's charging me 50g for the damn thing, I'm like =\ |
| 16:35.31 | Ginji | Yeah. something along those lines |
| 16:36.14 | DWSR | I don't even mind being charged extra. |
| 16:36.18 | DWSR | It's the amount I'm having an issue with |
| 16:36.39 | Ginji | I upped the price as I ran out of tokens |
| 16:37.29 | Ginji | But you're free to search for an other JCer DWSR since it's a common pattern according to you |
| 16:37.56 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2rGTXHvPCQ <-holy shit we're hackers |
| 16:39.26 | DWSR | I mean, I got Mysterious Dreadstone cut for free. |
| 16:39.34 | DWSR | spell pen/spell power, wtf? |
| 16:40.12 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: you there? |
| 16:40.17 | DWSR | and spell pen's only useful in higher end arena matches. =\ |
| 16:41.04 | Ginji | Fisker: by that definition you're also a child molester, since they use IRC too (probably) |
| 16:42.06 | Seerah | from the comments for the numb3rs scene: "Dude, it makes sense. IRC = I are sea. And the C stands for captain. I ARRRR SEA CAP'N! " |
| 16:42.11 | Zyn | I lol @ u from my irc boat |
| 16:42.16 | Zyn | IRC = boats |
| 16:42.20 | Lopeppeppy | Ahoy. |
| 16:42.23 | DWSR | I'M ON A BOAT. |
| 16:43.23 | mikma | ah ah ah |
| 16:44.13 | Fisker | motherfucker |
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| 16:45.10 | zenzelezz | Fisker: old, I posted that hours ago |
| 16:45.29 | Fisker | oh yeah zenzelezz ? |
| 16:45.36 | Fisker | goes back in time and posts it before zenzelezz |
| 16:45.36 | zenzelezz | yeah |
| 16:45.39 | Fisker | old yourself |
| 16:45.40 | Fisker | jerk! |
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| 16:55.34 | DWSR | Lava burst needs a nerf. Discuss. |
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| 16:56.37 | Grum | it is getting a nerf in 3.3 |
| 16:56.39 | Grum | done discussing |
| 16:57.18 | DWSR | No it's not |
| 16:57.30 | Grum | it is, the glyph which makes it so powerfull gets a nerf |
| 16:57.40 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:57.48 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa-dear. |
| 16:58.12 | Grum | instead of always causing a crit it now causes a dot after you hit, basicly a burst nerf |
| 16:58.37 | DWSR | same with conflag. |
| 16:58.49 | Lunessa | Last night was deliciously UI-community centric for <Grounding Totem>. |
| 16:59.14 | Lopeppeppy | Yay! |
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| 17:01.25 | evad87 | hi everyone |
| 17:01.30 | evad87 | good afternoon |
| 17:01.35 | DWSR | good morning |
| 17:01.40 | DWSR | ~ugt |
| 17:01.41 | purl | it has been said that ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 17:02.07 | evad87 | DWSR: I was trying to practice writing a function/game but not sure what i did wrong. Would you mind taking a look? http://wowui.pastey.net/128389 |
| 17:02.55 | evad87 | stuff your elaborate greeting time knowledge is a sack purl! |
| 17:03.02 | DWSR | ~= is not is not. |
| 17:03.03 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, DWSR |
| 17:03.03 | cogwheel | evad87: if (type(guess) = "number" ... |
| 17:03.18 | cogwheel | = is the assignment operator |
| 17:03.21 | cogwheel | you're looking for == |
| 17:03.26 | Cide | ~= is definitely "is not" |
| 17:03.27 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, Cide |
| 17:03.32 | Cide | stfu purl |
| 17:03.33 | evad87 | == is equals |
| 17:03.34 | DWSR | This is not the assignment operator you're looking for |
| 17:03.44 | evad87 | what is the is not again |
| 17:03.49 | Cide | ~= is definitely "is not" |
| 17:03.49 | purl | I think you lost me on that one, Cide |
| 17:03.52 | cogwheel | evad87: DWSR is wrong |
| 17:03.52 | Cide | stfu purl |
| 17:03.57 | cogwheel | ~= is is not |
| 17:03.58 | purl | cogwheel: I think you lost me on that one |
| 17:04.06 | cogwheel | purl: stfu |
| 17:04.07 | purl | :( |
| 17:04.08 | DWSR | SHUT UP PERL |
| 17:04.11 | DWSR | PURL* |
| 17:04.15 | durcyn | put a space in front of it, geniuses |
| 17:04.20 | Hirsute | purl, ~= is "is not" |
| 17:04.20 | purl | Hirsute: okay |
| 17:04.21 | evad87 | bah, this isn't going to make things easy, i have two programmers disputing the resolution |
| 17:04.30 | durcyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:04.31 | DWSR | mirc strips out spaces in front of lines durcyn |
| 17:04.33 | Cide | no |
| 17:04.37 | durcyn | bad people use mirc |
| 17:04.38 | Cide | only one is a programmer here |
| 17:04.40 | Cide | and it's not DWSR |
| 17:04.42 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 17:04.46 | nevcairiel | only one? |
| 17:04.52 | cogwheel | evad87: the problem is you're using = where it should be ==. your use of ~= is correct |
| 17:05.14 | evad87 | cogwheel & everyone, thanks for the advice let me give that a shot |
| 17:05.14 | evad87 | brb |
| 17:05.17 | cogwheel | nevcairiel: in the conversation :P |
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| 17:07.05 | evad87 | looks like that fixed me up, i just have to figure out now why my entry of 7 doesn't trigger the lucky number string |
| 17:07.32 | cogwheel | because you're asking for a number but checking against a string |
| 17:07.43 | nevcairiel | lua> 7 == "7" |
| 17:07.44 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: false |
| 17:07.51 | nevcairiel | its not smart like that |
| 17:08.16 | Cide | it's quite but not entirely unlike you |
| 17:08.30 | cogwheel | actually, you should probably start off by doing guess = tonumber(guess) then if guess == nil then (invalid response) |
| 17:08.59 | cogwheel | then check guess == 7 not guess == "7" |
| 17:09.09 | evad87 | let me post updated code, i think i almost have this |
| 17:09.17 | haste | NOT CONFUSING AT ALL! |
| 17:09.24 | haste | 6 terminals, 6 computers |
| 17:09.40 | cogwheel | Suddenly a wild haste appears |
| 17:09.41 | haste | oh hi thar: command not found x3 |
| 17:09.48 | haste | :3 |
| 17:09.53 | Cide | WRONG TERMINAL? |
| 17:10.22 | evad87 | http://wowui.pastey.net/128391 now if i typed in something like guessthenumber(sdf9) what var type would that be considered? |
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| 17:10.47 | Fisker | 2 guys 1 horse |
| 17:10.53 | evad87 | nil |
| 17:10.56 | evad87 | ok |
| 17:10.58 | haste | one guy, one glass |
| 17:11.01 | DWSR | 2 guys 1 haste? |
| 17:11.09 | cogwheel | evad87: you really need to do the tonumber conversion, though |
| 17:11.21 | cogwheel | everything you get from input starts out as a string |
| 17:11.22 | kdtresh | can you do string .. int .. string, or do you need to use tostring(int)? |
| 17:11.34 | nevcairiel | you can concat numbers |
| 17:12.02 | DWSR | 4 girls fingerhaste? |
| 17:12.15 | cogwheel | lua> tonumber("aoue") |
| 17:12.16 | lua_bot | cogwheel: nil |
| 17:12.19 | cogwheel | lua> tonumber("5") |
| 17:12.20 | lua_bot | cogwheel: 5 |
| 17:12.26 | cogwheel | http://wowui.pastey.net/128392 |
| 17:12.52 | nevcairiel | you could save the type check, too |
| 17:13.21 | cogwheel | yeah, the type == number in the else is redundant |
| 17:13.52 | cogwheel | "if guess is a number _____, otherwise, if it's not a number (duh) and it's not 7 _____" |
| 17:14.12 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Kaelten] by ChanServ |
| 17:15.02 | Cide | I hear 7 is not a number these days, cogwheel, so it's fruitful to test against |
| 17:16.06 | DWSR | Kaelten: Got a question about CCv4. Got a second? |
| 17:16.52 | Kaelten | sup |
| 17:17.40 | DWSR | What does CCv4 do with addons not found on curse if I try to do a backup or a sync? |
| 17:20.43 | cogwheel | soup! |
| 17:20.56 | Hirsute | Mmmmmmm. |
| 17:21.01 | Hirsute | Today is a soup day here. |
| 17:21.59 | evad87 | Thanks guys for clearing that up for me, after reading reply I understand where i went wrong and could have saved code |
| 17:25.28 | Lunessa | brb.. rebooting |
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| 17:30.07 | Lunessa | station |
| 17:30.57 | Lopeppeppy | re-hello |
| 17:31.33 | evad87 | and Cide, 7 is not just a number, it's a lucky number =) |
| 17:31.47 | Cide | <Cide> I hear 7 is not a number these days |
| 17:34.06 | Lunessa | Yeah, but 7 8 9. |
| 17:38.43 | cogwheel | miao! |
| 17:38.52 | Lopeppeppy | meeer! |
| 17:39.13 | evad87 | miao! |
| 17:39.25 | evad87 | is Lopeppeppy a bot? |
| 17:39.48 | Lopeppeppy | ... um, so very no. |
| 17:39.53 | Lopeppeppy | I just like to talk to cogwheel. |
| 17:40.18 | cogwheel | <34 |
| 17:40.21 | cogwheel | err |
| 17:40.28 | Lopeppeppy | Me love you long time? |
| 17:41.40 | evad87 | nickometer |
| 17:41.56 | cogwheel | ~nickometer evad87 |
| 17:42.15 | evad87 | i feel sad now |
| 17:42.31 | evad87 | only 19 percent sad though |
| 17:42.43 | cogwheel | ~nickometer |Jelly| |
| 17:42.58 | cogwheel | |Jelly|: i luff you <3 |
| 17:43.08 | evad87 | ~nickometer cogwheel |
| 17:43.14 | evad87 | ! |
| 17:43.15 | cogwheel | pwnt |
| 17:43.21 | Lopeppeppy | ~nickometer Lopeppeppy |
| 17:43.29 | cogwheel | Gnome Powah! |
| 17:43.36 | evad87 | i wonder who wrote this bot =/ |
| 17:43.39 | evad87 | geee |
| 17:43.47 | mikma | ~nickometer mikma |
| 17:43.53 | Lopeppeppy | Gnomes kick booty. |
| 17:44.11 | cogwheel | i just got champion of gnomeregan the other day... |
| 17:44.22 | cogwheel | still about 13k rep away from exalted though :( |
| 17:44.41 | Lopeppeppy | Oiy. It's one of the hardest factions EVER! |
| 17:45.17 | DWSR | It goes Honored->Revered->Exalted, right? |
| 17:45.23 | cogwheel | yep |
| 17:45.50 | cogwheel | i wasn't only about halfway through honored by the time i hit 80 |
| 17:45.50 | DWSR | lol |
| 17:46.01 | cogwheel | s/n't// |
| 17:46.08 | DWSR | Why are Shadow priests so dumb? I just killed 3 with Chaos Bolt through their bubble. |
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| 17:46.18 | DWSR | They bubbled at like 3k health left. |
| 17:46.20 | DWSR | CB in the face. |
| 17:46.21 | DWSR | Win |
| 17:46.36 | cogwheel | inexperienced != dumb? |
| 17:47.02 | DWSR | I'm pretty sure the spriest wearing the full furious isn't inexperienced. |
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| 17:49.36 | Stanzilla | you can buy full furious with emblems |
| 17:50.10 | Stanzilla | so having it is no sign of pvp experience :D |
| 17:50.18 | Lopeppeppy | Just persistence. |
| 17:50.22 | DWSR | Stanzilla: Then they're dumb for being inexperienced? :P |
| 17:50.22 | cogwheel | and all it really takes is persistance... they could've died to your class in every single encounter |
| 17:50.37 | cogwheel | in which case, yeah, they probably are dumb :P |
| 17:50.52 | Lopeppeppy | Or they could not *care* if they die or not. *gasp* |
| 17:50.56 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 17:51.06 | DWSR | No, they fought back |
| 17:51.10 | DWSR | Rather pathetically, I might add. |
| 17:51.18 | Lopeppeppy | Not everyone is in PvP to be uberleet. Of course they fought a bit, but if they don't care, they dont' care. |
| 17:51.21 | cogwheel | DWSR: might as well be talking about me, imo |
| 17:51.30 | cogwheel | i play for fun |
| 17:51.32 | cogwheel | not epeen |
| 17:51.54 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 17:51.56 | DWSR | cogwheel: But if I was, you'd code something malicious into one of my addons; |
| 17:52.01 | DWSR | So therefore, I'm not talking about you. :P |
| 17:52.06 | cogwheel | chuckles |
| 17:52.18 | Lopeppeppy | When I PvP I got out, do my thing, come back, get my rewards, done. It's not some grim race for me. |
| 17:54.52 | airtonix | hai gaiz i just bought my account from ebay wutz furious? |
| 17:55.01 | airtonix | i haz shinies all on my toon |
| 17:55.04 | airtonix | -_- |
| 17:55.11 | *** join/#wowuidev |ckknight| (n=ckknight@adsl-070-154-141-174.sip.bna.bellsouth.net) |
| 17:59.01 | Lunessa | I only PvP so I can get something I really want, or so I can blow the fuck out of people with the cannons in WG. |
| 17:59.29 | DWSR | Lunessa: Blow the fuck out of them, huh? :P |
| 17:59.35 | DWSR | I PvP for gems + the honor only gear |
| 17:59.53 | NightHawkTheSane | i pvp for mounts. or at least ostensibly i do. i've been lazy about that. |
| 18:00.05 | Lunessa | I love the cannons. It's like having a rocket-launcher for a wang. |
| 18:00.08 | Lopeppeppy | Mmmm, mounts. |
| 18:00.08 | NightHawkTheSane | and by pvp, i mean laze around battlegrounds pretending to give a fuck |
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| 18:07.21 | Lunessa | I do the PVP bits for the World Events - mostly because I want the ugly purple mount. |
| 18:08.15 | Shadowed | Gnarfoz: what |
| 18:10.46 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: nevermind, raid now. :< |
| 18:10.50 | Shadowed | ah |
| 18:11.01 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: an idea for QA that should be easy to realize |
| 18:11.13 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: was going to ask something I need to know for that and then try to do it myself ;) |
| 18:11.16 | Gnarfoz | but... later |
| 18:11.18 | Shadowed | Unless you plan on adding it, it's not something that is going to happen basically :p |
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| 18:15.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: ah, yeah, i did that as well. i have my -lovely- purple mount now though :D |
| 18:16.36 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: The pvp requirements for Children's Week are all I have left. And not even all of those. Let's just say last children's week made me want to punch real orphans. |
| 18:16.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yeah, that was unpleasant. >< |
| 18:17.25 | NightHawkTheSane | afks a bit. |
| 18:17.46 | Lunessa | I rarely, and I mean that, get angry enough to yell at my monitor, and the griefing I got doing those achievements made me do just that. |
| 18:18.31 | Lunessa | Frankly, most people playing in PvP will fuck you just because they can and laugh all the way to your mental break-down. |
| 18:18.36 | foxlit | Meh, just four small ways to screw your teammates. |
| 18:19.04 | Lunessa | PvP (for me) is like playing with all the guys on the 'Group W Bench' |
| 18:19.06 | foxlit | [The other faction cooperates, sometimes. You just have to be somewhat lucky] |
| 18:21.54 | Industrial | s/achievement/checklistitem/ |
| 18:22.12 | Industrial | s/\/$/\/g/ |
| 18:23.14 | durcyn | the children's week pvp achievements took about 20 minutes total |
| 18:23.23 | durcyn | were you doing it with a bunch of downies |
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| 18:26.33 | Lopeppeppy | Griefing is someone's idea of a good time. *sigh* Everyone else's idea of hate. |
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| 18:33.20 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy |
| 18:33.26 | Fisker | i'd spawncamp you irl |
| 18:36.28 | Arrowmaster | omfg just finished the "Loose Ends" level in MW2, omfg cant stop cursing |
| 18:36.45 | Lopeppeppy | Awww, that's sweet Fisker. |
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| 18:40.26 | cogwheel | O.o |
| 18:40.27 | cogwheel | Shirik: |
| 18:40.44 | cogwheel | i found a workaround for clammy hands + capacitive touch screen (at least on my droid) |
| 18:41.04 | Thunder_Child | a towl? |
| 18:41.09 | Thunder_Child | towel* |
| 18:41.28 | cogwheel | Thunder_Child: towells are too thick. tissue didn't work either |
| 18:41.52 | Thunder_Child | to wipe off your hands? |
| 18:42.00 | cogwheel | wiping doesn't solve clamminess |
| 18:42.01 | Lunessa | I has a Wave! |
| 18:42.10 | cogwheel | no if you'd stfu i'd be able to type my workaround |
| 18:42.12 | cogwheel | :P |
| 18:42.22 | Thunder_Child | there are gloves that were made that work with stuff like that |
| 18:42.31 | Thunder_Child | the fingertips register |
| 18:42.48 | NightHawkTheSane | fuck fuck fuck. |
| 18:43.04 | cogwheel | all i have to do is let my thumb on the hand holding the phone sit so it's partway on the border of the glass |
| 18:43.15 | cogwheel | and then my "touching" finger starts working again |
| 18:43.26 | NightHawkTheSane | so we had a power outage last night, and this morning my dsl modem didn't ahve a connection. |
| 18:43.34 | NightHawkTheSane | i rebooted it, and now the power light is solid red. |
| 18:43.43 | NightHawkTheSane | as best i can figure, that means "you' |
| 18:43.47 | NightHawkTheSane | "you're fucked" |
| 18:44.18 | NightHawkTheSane | or, according to the tech documentation: "POST (Power On Self Test) failure (non bootable)" |
| 18:44.25 | cogwheel | spams Lunessa with participations |
| 18:44.45 | DWSR | lol |
| 18:44.51 | DWSR | Running chain heroics with the guild leader. |
| 18:45.00 | Lunessa | Night: Yup. You're f'ed. |
| 18:45.24 | DWSR | And I pulled initial threat thanks to a 12k conflag, so he kicked me and said stop being dumb. |
| 18:45.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: im debating between calling qwest, and just going to a fred meyer or something and picking up a dsl modem |
| 18:46.36 | Lunessa | You will likely need to call Qwest anyway to validate the MAC |
| 18:46.57 | cogwheel | Lunessa: between hallow's end, the tournament, and one of our HVH runs, i've gotten ~12 epics since i started playing again... |
| 18:47.11 | Lopeppeppy | Eeeebil. |
| 18:47.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: good point. fuuuuuuuuck. |
| 18:47.25 | Lunessa | :D We'll get you geared cog. |
| 18:48.23 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: in the course of running various people through toc normal, my friend's level 77 druid acquired basically a full set of epic gear, and then some. he's not 80 yet. >< |
| 18:48.37 | cogwheel | lol |
| 18:48.46 | cogwheel | guess purple's the new blue |
| 18:49.12 | Shirik | cogwheel, you know what's awesome |
| 18:49.20 | Shirik | let me quote you a line from the lab I'm teaching today, which I just realized |
| 18:49.35 | cogwheel | Shirik: pie is awesome |
| 18:50.00 | Shirik | 1. Note the output voltage and the shift in the wave form when the two nodes of the capacitor are touched by your finger. Why is this occurring? |
| 18:50.08 | NightHawkTheSane | wonders how well wow would play over his phone's 3g connection >.> |
| 18:51.04 | Fisker | slaps cogwheel around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:51.16 | cogwheel | NightHawkTheSane: well, all i can say is the bandwidth would be the least of your worries :P |
| 18:51.18 | kd3 | Shirik, you're electrocuting your students? fun |
| 18:51.35 | kd3 | give 'em the big caps |
| 18:51.48 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: i'm on said connection right now, it's not actually that bad. ;) |
| 18:52.15 | cogwheel | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, assuming your connection is stable, i think the only problem would be latency |
| 18:52.27 | cogwheel | and people play with bad latency all the time |
| 18:52.48 | cogwheel | i was clocking about 2.2mbit/s on my 3g connection at home |
| 18:52.56 | NightHawkTheSane | nice. |
| 18:54.47 | NightHawkTheSane | makes me really glad i modded my g1 so i can tether it. |
| 18:54.57 | foxlit | http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/11/12/1729217/StarCraft-AI-Competition-Announced |
| 18:55.56 | Fisker | old |
| 18:56.25 | Fisker | dustin browder needs to be the caster though |
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| 18:57.13 | Shirik | lok kd3 no |
| 18:57.15 | Shirik | lol* |
| 18:57.23 | Shirik | But I do have a 0.1F capacitor which I use to scare students |
| 18:57.32 | Shirik | first lab I go into my safety procedures discussion |
| 18:57.39 | Fisker | you wouldn't shock a student |
| 18:57.49 | Shirik | and I warn them about how much stuff is in here that they don't know by charging a 0.1F cap to 40V and then shorting it with a wire |
| 18:57.53 | Shirik | but I charge it before the lab |
| 18:57.57 | Shirik | so it looks perfectly innocent |
| 18:58.01 | AbsolutRayne | I need to know if any of the Canadian peoples in here have heard of a Cable / ISP provider known as EastLink, and if they're reputable. |
| 18:58.22 | DWSR | No, I haven't. |
| 18:58.30 | DWSR | Where are you physically located? |
| 19:00.03 | AbsolutRayne | Im in Alberta, and on their site they dont list the Province. However, they phones 2 days ago and asked if we were interested in switching, and that they are based out here as well. |
| 19:00.27 | AbsolutRayne | phoned* |
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| 19:05.50 | DWSR | hmm |
| 19:05.56 | DWSR | Haven't heard of them. Might be a startup |
| 19:06.30 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 19:06.54 | AbsolutRayne | Well, if they can honestly offer Landline Cable ISP and TV out where I am, im sold. Im sick of this Satellite crap. |
| 19:08.13 | Seerah | I've heard of EarthLink, but not EastLink |
| 19:08.23 | Seerah | (though, I'm not canadian) |
| 19:08.42 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 19:08.54 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne: If they offer DSL/Cable. Take it. |
| 19:08.54 | Seerah | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bragg_Communications |
| 19:08.57 | AbsolutRayne | My aunt had Earthlink back home, she hated it :P |
| 19:09.52 | Shirik | Seerah likes to brag |
| 19:10.04 | Seerah | according to that article, it's been around for going on 40 years, and was the first major company with fiber optic cables |
| 19:15.42 | Shirik | see |
| 19:15.44 | Shirik | Seerah's bragging |
| 19:15.55 | Seerah | sighs |
| 19:16.07 | zenzelezz | that's because she's much superior to you Shirik |
| 19:16.22 | Shirik | it is because she has features which I do not :( |
| 19:16.27 | AbsolutRayne | Ill wait a few hours for an email, if it doesnt show up, ill phone them I guess |
| 19:16.29 | zenzelezz | yes, like skills |
| 19:16.34 | Shirik | :/ |
| 19:16.50 | evad87 | i cmoe back and read that shirik shocks his students to "train" them like animals? |
| 19:16.59 | evad87 | shame on you Shirik |
| 19:17.01 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:17.05 | Shirik | that is exactly what I'm doing |
| 19:17.10 | Seerah | I don't need to shock my students :p |
| 19:17.14 | evad87 | just have them learn like i did |
| 19:17.23 | evad87 | pee on the electric fence by mistake |
| 19:17.47 | evad87 | it's a lesson you don't soon forget |
| 19:17.49 | evad87 | ever! |
| 19:17.51 | Shirik | how do you do that by mistake |
| 19:18.12 | evad87 | well long story short, i use to cross through the fence all the time to hit my fishing spot, was always inactive |
| 19:18.20 | evad87 | there were trees growing in front and behind |
| 19:18.32 | evad87 | i turned around because i thought someone was walking up behind me |
| 19:18.34 | evad87 | and bam! |
| 19:18.44 | evad87 | true story, hard to believe i'm sure |
| 19:18.51 | evad87 | i was maybe 11 or 12 |
| 19:19.40 | Shirik | I'm still missing the "pee" part |
| 19:19.48 | evad87 | was peeing on the tree |
| 19:19.53 | evad87 | tree infront of fence |
| 19:19.54 | Seerah | maybe he was peeing when he thought someone was sneaking up on him? |
| 19:19.56 | Shirik | you are strange |
| 19:19.59 | evad87 | during the turning motion |
| 19:20.13 | evad87 | i wasn't even a teen yet, of course i was strange |
| 19:20.17 | evad87 | probably still am |
| 19:20.31 | Seerah | I think everyone in this channel is a bit ;) |
| 19:20.38 | evad87 | agreed |
| 19:21.05 | evad87 | all i'm saying is a learned a new respect for electicity and electrical fences |
| 19:21.44 | Shirik | I am perfectly normal |
| 19:21.46 | Shirik | in every way |
| 19:21.51 | evad87 | you shock children |
| 19:21.54 | evad87 | on purpose! |
| 19:21.55 | Shirik | no |
| 19:21.59 | Shirik | they shock themselves |
| 19:22.04 | evad87 | ok |
| 19:22.07 | evad87 | mr jigsaw |
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| 19:22.44 | Shirik | what does that mean? |
| 19:22.47 | cogwheel | demonstrating the effect of a shorted capacitor isn't usually equivalent to shocking the demonstratees :P |
| 19:22.54 | cogwheel | Shirik: lern2saw imo |
| 19:22.56 | Seerah | and I wouldn't exactly call them "children".... |
| 19:23.00 | evad87 | you have watched any of the saw movies? |
| 19:23.30 | evad87 | jigsaw doesn't kill his victims, he gives them to tools to learn and get out alive if they learn to respect life |
| 19:23.48 | evad87 | but also puts them in the situations that threaten the same life |
| 19:24.02 | cogwheel | and the lives of others, who are in similar situations themselves |
| 19:24.08 | evad87 | yes |
| 19:24.43 | evad87 | so you agree with me cogwheel? |
| 19:24.51 | evad87 | he is a minor case of mr jigsaw |
| 19:25.50 | cogwheel | nah... it's more like schools staging a drunk driving accident to scare kids into driving safely |
| 19:26.04 | evad87 | very well |
| 19:26.06 | Ginji | A little childhood trauma build character |
| 19:26.10 | evad87 | how do i make the stupid bot agree with me |
| 19:26.19 | cogwheel | XD |
| 19:26.35 | cogwheel | ~agree |
| 19:26.35 | purl | somebody said agree was "<action> nods her head" |
| 19:26.46 | evad87 | hell yeah purl, you agree! |
| 19:26.58 | cogwheel | somebody failed at setting up your agree factoid |
| 19:27.04 | evad87 | lol |
| 19:27.07 | durcyn | ~factinfo agree |
| 19:27.08 | purl | agree -- created by macnewbold <n=mac@69.2.248.251> at Mon Sep 19 15:21:06 2005 (1515 days); last modified at Fri Sep 5 16:56:42 2008 by Cide!n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com; it has been requested 5 times, last by cogwheel, 33s ago. |
| 19:27.16 | cogwheel | ~literal agree |
| 19:27.17 | purl | "agree" is ""<action> nods her head"" |
| 19:27.22 | nevcairiel | so cide fails? |
| 19:27.24 | durcyn | ~fail Cide |
| 19:27.25 | purl | Cide, you Fail! |
| 19:27.27 | Cide | what? |
| 19:27.32 | Cide | I haven't modified that shit |
| 19:27.39 | cogwheel | no agree is <action> nods her head |
| 19:27.42 | cogwheel | ~no agree is <action> nods her head |
| 19:27.43 | purl | cogwheel: okay |
| 19:27.45 | evad87 | now you gone done it |
| 19:27.47 | cogwheel | ~agree |
| 19:27.47 | purl | ACTION nods her head |
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| 19:28.08 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v netcurse] by ChanServ |
| 19:28.08 | cogwheel | someone got a little to cozy with the quotes, apparently |
| 19:28.09 | Cide | I blame skynet |
| 19:28.10 | AnduinLothar | lol |
| 19:28.20 | AnduinLothar | gah, why am i anduin again |
| 19:28.22 | evad87 | i just watched the last movie |
| 19:28.26 | evad87 | terrible imo |
| 19:28.32 | evad87 | just garbage |
| 19:28.43 | evad87 | somehow they even found a reason for naked arnold to appear |
| 19:29.05 | Lunessa | GoogleWave finally convinced me to break down and get g-mail. |
| 19:29.14 | evad87 | ? |
| 19:29.16 | cogwheel | lol |
| 19:29.18 | KarlKFI|work | i have gmail but no wave |
| 19:29.25 | cogwheel | KarlKFI|work: need an invite? |
| 19:29.28 | KarlKFI|work | yups |
| 19:29.35 | evad87 | i'm going to step aside and google googlewave |
| 19:29.42 | KarlKFI|work | bet you cant guess my email addy |
| 19:29.50 | cogwheel | evad87: see you in an hour & 20 mins |
| 19:30.26 | evad87 | can someone explain it to me, |
| 19:30.33 | evad87 | the only thing i see on the page is |
| 19:30.35 | kd3 | go watch the video |
| 19:30.36 | evad87 | a link titled |
| 19:30.37 | evad87 | Watch our looooong video |
| 19:30.43 | evad87 | i'm not into loooooong videos |
| 19:30.51 | cogwheel | sec |
| 19:30.56 | Cide | I wants an invite! |
| 19:31.25 | cogwheel | evad87: here's the 10 minute abridgment (but you miss a lot of the motivation behind things) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Itc4253kjhw&feature=player_embedded |
| 19:31.25 | evad87 | omg you were not kidding 1hour and 20 minutes loing |
| 19:31.25 | Cide | it was sad when a freaking nub at school had it but not awesome me |
| 19:32.26 | Lunessa | Cide: :( |
| 19:32.39 | Cide | I KNOW RITE |
| 19:33.32 | Seerah | is still waiting for her invite |
| 19:34.05 | cogwheel | Seerah: probably should get it today or tomorrow. i think i put your name in the list around the same time as Lunessa |
| 19:34.30 | Seerah | does he have his already, then? |
| 19:36.46 | cogwheel | he just got it about an hour ago |
| 19:37.07 | Fisker | 14,7k dps on twins |
| 19:37.12 | cogwheel | yours might already be in the tubes somewhere (at least google's tubes anyway) |
| 19:37.20 | evad87 | so it's logmein, aim, and wordpress all in one? |
| 19:37.27 | evad87 | with pimp ajax |
| 19:37.30 | cogwheel | i don't like to look at it that way |
| 19:37.41 | cogwheel | but yeah, that pretty much describes its current state |
| 19:37.51 | evad87 | not impressed |
| 19:37.56 | evad87 | and i don't know why |
| 19:37.59 | evad87 | i feel i should be |
| 19:38.00 | cogwheel | which is why i don't like to look at it that way |
| 19:38.08 | cogwheel | tbh, i'm not particularly impressed with google's version |
| 19:38.23 | evad87 | i love googles chrome |
| 19:38.25 | Seerah | oooh, there it is |
| 19:38.26 | cogwheel | it's basically a demo of all the things you could possibly do using the underlying wave system |
| 19:38.29 | evad87 | now thats pretty solid |
| 19:38.47 | cogwheel | and it's the underlying wave system that will hopefully kill e-mail in a horrible, firey death |
| 19:39.25 | durcyn | i was sold on it the minute i realized they took the name from Firefly. |
| 19:39.26 | cogwheel | as soon as all the protocols are closer to final and people start making third-party clients/servers, it'll really start to shine |
| 19:39.27 | evad87 | is email really that slow? i understand outdating snail mail |
| 19:39.30 | evad87 | but really email? |
| 19:39.34 | cogwheel | it's not about slow |
| 19:39.47 | cogwheel | it's about how it sucks in pretty much every single way except the fact that everyone uses it |
| 19:39.58 | evad87 | it's about this generation wanting information too quick without human interaction |
| 19:40.02 | cogwheel | no |
| 19:40.06 | cogwheel | not in any way whatsoever |
| 19:40.28 | cogwheel | it's about being able to have the physical representation of your communication match the way the communication occurred |
| 19:40.45 | evad87 | you think it's just to make the currently standardized protocols of email and web updated to modern times? |
| 19:40.52 | evad87 | ok |
| 19:40.54 | evad87 | i dig that |
| 19:40.58 | Shadowed | cogwheel: it will never kill email :p |
| 19:41.03 | cogwheel | Shadowed: yeah :( |
| 19:41.04 | Shadowed | Maybe in 200 years |
| 19:41.38 | cogwheel | wtb combined wave/email client |
| 19:41.41 | evad87 | was there anything else i missed out on by watching short version |
| 19:41.42 | Shadowed | SMTP is a god awful protocol |
| 19:41.46 | Shadowed | and HTTP really |
| 19:42.43 | cogwheel | evad87: pretty much all the motivation behind it, as well as several details of the underlying system |
| 19:42.56 | cogwheel | that video, and nearly all the press has been obsessed with the actual interface google created |
| 19:43.18 | cogwheel | which really isn't wave's strength. and i really need to get on the blog post i've been meaning to write about this |
| 19:43.36 | cogwheel | so that i don't have to keep rehashing it every time someone is turned off by google's wave |
| 19:43.44 | evad87 | whats your blog address |
| 19:43.46 | cogwheel | (which i don't blame them for one bit) |
| 19:43.49 | cogwheel | blog.cogwheel.info |
| 19:45.33 | evad87 | damn it has a beast spell checker |
| 19:45.36 | evad87 | that impressed me |
| 19:45.37 | evad87 | lol |
| 19:52.19 | kdtresh | can you set a tooltip for a fontstring? |
| 19:52.47 | alestane | Depends what you mean...they don't have an OnEnter event though. |
| 19:52.56 | Adys | which reminds me |
| 19:53.03 | Adys | anyone left who wants wave invites? |
| 19:53.10 | Adys | got too many to spare |
| 19:53.26 | kdtresh | hmmm |
| 19:53.29 | kdtresh | do they have onClick? |
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| 19:53.42 | alestane | No...they're font strings, not frames. |
| 19:53.47 | kdtresh | i see |
| 19:53.52 | cogwheel | kdtresh: you need to wrap it in a frame |
| 19:54.01 | alestane | FontStrings and Textures are purely visual...frames are purely behavioristic. |
| 19:54.09 | kdtresh | well, i'm trying to get a scrollable list |
| 19:54.20 | kdtresh | with each item in the list able to pop a tooltip somehow |
| 19:54.30 | cogwheel | each item in the list needs to be a frame anyway |
| 19:54.42 | alestane | You'll probably want each item in the list to be a child frame. |
| 19:54.43 | cogwheel | at least to work "normally" with scroll frames |
| 19:54.55 | kdtresh | so they're all child frames anchored to the frame above? |
| 19:55.32 | kdtresh | c3 anchored to c2, which is anchored to c1, etc? |
| 19:55.37 | alestane | You *could* do something, if you don't need them to be interactive, where the frame has an OnUpdate where it checks which fontstring you're hovering over and sets a tooltip accordingly, but I wouldn't recommend it. |
| 19:55.45 | evad87 | great article cogwheel |
| 19:55.55 | Grum | evad87: url? |
| 19:56.00 | evad87 | blog.cogwheel.info |
| 19:56.25 | cogwheel | notices how everyone's avoiding mentioning fauxscrollframe |
| 19:56.30 | cogwheel | <.< |
| 19:56.31 | cogwheel | >.> |
| 19:56.50 | evad87 | anyone wanna invite me to wave? |
| 19:56.52 | evad87 | please? |
| 19:56.53 | evad87 | =D |
| 19:56.57 | Lopeppeppy | gouges her eyes out. |
| 19:57.22 | alestane | Um, whaffer now? |
| 19:57.25 | Adys | sells Lopeppeppy new eyes for only $199.99 |
| 19:57.37 | kdtresh | what's a fauxscrollframe, cogwheel? |
| 19:57.37 | cogwheel | Adys: with a 2 year contract? |
| 19:57.39 | alestane | Plus shipping and handling. |
| 19:57.43 | cogwheel | ~fauxscrollframe |
| 19:57.44 | purl | fauxscrollframe is, like, one of the first Lua/XML systems written by Blizzard for the WoW user interface. Its learning curve resembles an inverted L, and Zootfizzle hates it. Along with cogs, it is in the top five on his "dead to me" list. Mikk says: Just use a Slider. |
| 19:57.52 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 19:57.53 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 19:58.54 | cogwheel | kdtresh: it's blizzard's system for implementing scrollable lists like the quest log, guild frame, etc |
| 19:59.32 | alestane | It's used to cut down on the number of total frames needed for a scrollable list. |
| 20:00.10 | kdtresh | is it easier than a slider? |
| 20:00.21 | kdtresh | or beneficial when you don't know how many elements will be in the list? |
| 20:00.30 | nevcairiel | imho the faux is still easier to use then the real scrollframe |
| 20:00.33 | kdtresh | i've never done anything with scrolling frames, so i'm open to it all |
| 20:00.35 | nevcairiel | so many issues with that |
| 20:02.43 | cogwheel | kdtresh: you still use a slider to control the scrolling. teh fauxscrollframe code handles some of the mechanical tedium of setting up the list |
| 20:02.56 | cogwheel | scroll offsets, etc |
| 20:03.01 | cogwheel | http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_a_scrollable_list_using_FauxScrollFrameTemplate |
| 20:03.35 | Fisker | lol :D |
| 20:04.00 | alestane | Here's the basic summary...say you have a scrollable list, with 12 items, but the list is only as tall as four items. In a basic scroll frame, you make a ScrollFrame as tall as four items, give it a scroll child frame tall enough to hold all twelve, then make twelve children in that scrollchild frame, one for each item. |
| 20:04.28 | alestane | In a FauxScrollFrame, you take advantage of the fact that only four-five items in the list are visible at any one time. |
| 20:04.28 | Fisker | just wiped like half the raid on dreadscale |
| 20:04.38 | Fisker | tank died and i got aggro and then he did molten spew :o |
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| 20:05.24 | alestane | So you still make the scroll frame, and the scroll child, but the scroll child only has five child frames, and as the scroll bar is run down, the FauxScrollFrame fixes the children to look like the next items in the list. |
| 20:06.11 | AbsolutRayne | Im watching this Kitten follow around our Adult Male cat. Its not his, but she is just loving all over him |
| 20:06.16 | AbsolutRayne | Its adorable. |
| 20:06.32 | Lopeppeppy | Kittens are awesome |
| 20:06.47 | cogwheel | it's a good system in its purpose and effectiveness, though its interface leaves a lot to be desired. |
| 20:06.54 | AbsolutRayne | Shes one of the farm cats, we want to rescue her bad. |
| 20:07.31 | Thunder_Child | you can do the same in pvp |
| 20:07.35 | kdtresh | alestane: where is the actual list stored, if it's not in the scroll child? |
| 20:07.38 | Thunder_Child | damit! |
| 20:07.45 | Thunder_Child | freaking scroll failure |
| 20:07.57 | alestane | A table of items, I believe that you supply when you set up the frame. |
| 20:08.21 | alestane | But not every item has an actual frame associated with it, only the ones that are visible. |
| 20:08.56 | kdtresh | but those visible elements can have their own tooltips? |
| 20:09.07 | cogwheel | yep |
| 20:09.07 | alestane | That's true either way. |
| 20:09.16 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 20:09.46 | kdtresh | what does the item table consist of? font strings? |
| 20:09.58 | alestane | FauxScrollFrame is basically just a memory optimization of ScrollFrame. |
| 20:09.58 | kdtresh | anything? |
| 20:10.00 | cogwheel | *cough* http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_a_scrollable_list_using_FauxScrollFrameTemplate |
| 20:10.04 | cogwheel | :P |
| 20:10.21 | kdtresh | sorry, i have that page open, i was just talking here >< |
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| 20:20.42 | cogwheel | another tools patch? |
| 20:21.58 | alestane | Not that I've noticed, but I think I've been logged in for around an hour. |
| 20:23.06 | Arrowmaster | YES! MW2 "just like old times" start with silenced sniper rifle and told to follow the cpt who started off covered up and impossible to see, this has gota be the "all gillie'd up" like mission |
| 20:23.11 | Lopeppeppy | tools? |
| 20:23.13 | kdtresh | just tried to change realms, hung on realm list |
| 20:23.19 | cogwheel | i logged out just around an hour ago |
| 20:23.20 | kdtresh | so i logged out and logging back in brings up an update |
| 20:23.40 | cogwheel | Lopeppeppy: launcher, etc. |
| 20:23.46 | kdtresh | same blue progress bar as the last one, without any patch notes |
| 20:23.52 | nevcairiel | cogwheel: maybe they stopped their silly hackish workaround for the permission change |
| 20:24.06 | cogwheel | they only do patch notes if they're actually patching :P |
| 20:24.16 | nevcairiel | hm no tools patch on EU yet |
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| 20:24.46 | nevcairiel | or did i get that earlier and didnt notice |
| 20:24.52 | nevcairiel | at least it didnt change the folder permissions anymore |
| 20:26.21 | Lopeppeppy | My launcher has been borked forever. But good to know I shall upload more patch-ity things. |
| 20:28.14 | Fisker | i had so high a dps that i broke the space-time continuum |
| 20:28.24 | Stanzilla | -1? |
| 20:28.46 | Fisker | over 14699 dps |
| 20:28.59 | nevcairiel | thats over 9000 |
| 20:29.04 | Fisker | yep |
| 20:29.08 | nevcairiel | unpossible |
| 20:29.24 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Still nothing has ever fixed your launcher? |
| 20:31.25 | zenzelezz | peppy is not for launching |
| 20:31.28 | Lopeppeppy | I really don't want to take the hours to do a full re-install, but nothing else has fixed it, no. |
| 20:31.44 | Lopeppeppy | Launcher is not necessary, so I just don't bother. |
| 20:31.53 | alestane | That's more like what I thought. |
| 20:31.54 | nevcairiel | I would just start the reinstall and go do something else |
| 20:32.08 | KarlKFI|work | laucher is lame |
| 20:32.11 | Lopeppeppy | nevcairiel, I don't have anything else. I live alone and have no TV. |
| 20:32.16 | Lopeppeppy | I can't shower for 4 hours straight. |
| 20:32.19 | KarlKFI|work | >.< |
| 20:32.24 | nevcairiel | 4 hours? o.O |
| 20:32.29 | KarlKFI|work | play another game while isntalling? |
| 20:32.31 | alestane | Peppt can't has laptop? |
| 20:32.42 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, this IS the laptop? |
| 20:32.55 | alestane | Peppy can't has desktop then? |
| 20:33.02 | Lopeppeppy | or however long it will take, nevcairiel. |
| 20:33.09 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, it's stored. No real room for it. |
| 20:33.13 | alestane | Ah. |
| 20:33.37 | nevcairiel | On some days i bet i could shower for 4 hours .. if only the water would stay hot so long =P |
| 20:34.23 | alestane | Lawn mowers make me want to get a sledgehammer. |
| 20:34.57 | alestane | Even odds whether I would apply it to the mower or the operator. |
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| 20:38.11 | cogwheel | note to self: when running into a group of mobs with the intent to cast bladestorm, make sure you have a spec that includes bladestorm |
| 20:38.36 | alestane | Memo to me, memo to me: Dreadsteeds CAN'T FLY. |
| 20:39.14 | nevcairiel | Did that rumors about flying lock mounts every get substantial? |
| 20:40.19 | alestane | I don't know which rumor it is to which you refer, but I've never seen any such substance. |
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| 20:40.46 | nevcairiel | i havent been really paying attention to non-UI-WoW for half a year or so |
| 20:41.22 | olafski | I think there is at least a blue post or something at blizzcon about it nevcairiel |
| 20:41.28 | olafski | that they were considering it, as well as a paladin flyer |
| 20:41.49 | Lopeppeppy | Considering it why? there are tons of flying mounts, why should we get flying class mounts? |
| 20:41.55 | Thunder_Child | pegasi for pally would be cool |
| 20:42.14 | nevcairiel | because pallys wont stop crying until they have one |
| 20:42.21 | nevcairiel | thats how paladins work, you know |
| 20:42.22 | Lopeppeppy | I want a flying friggin' unicorn that farts purple clouds. |
| 20:42.47 | nevcairiel | besides, DKs already have a class flyer |
| 20:42.52 | nevcairiel | and in some sense, druids do too |
| 20:43.02 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm. True. |
| 20:43.03 | alestane | I think the logic is that since warlocks and pallies get class mounts and class epic mounts, the trend should continue. |
| 20:43.11 | alestane | But I've never had an issue with it. |
| 20:43.31 | nevcairiel | I love how the druid flying form gets faster now when you own a 310 mount |
| 20:43.40 | nevcairiel | no reason to use that clumsy drake anymore |
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| 20:47.06 | krka | druid flying class mount is the fricking win |
| 20:47.32 | krka | nevcairiel: hm, what is regular flight speed |
| 20:47.34 | krka | 280? |
| 20:47.36 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 20:47.37 | krka | regular epic that is |
| 20:47.40 | krka | interesting |
| 20:47.47 | krka | i didnt know that |
| 20:47.55 | krka | i'll have to by a better mount for my druid |
| 20:48.06 | nevcairiel | you can't buy 310 mounts |
| 20:48.19 | nevcairiel | unless you buy yoruself into a raid run to earn one |
| 20:48.27 | krka | oic |
| 20:48.28 | krka | too bad |
| 20:49.49 | olafski | it's not unheard of |
| 20:50.01 | olafski | I believe I heard of a guild selling the uld10 mount for about 10k gold |
| 20:50.12 | nevcairiel | uld10 is only 280, though |
| 20:50.17 | nevcairiel | or is it? |
| 20:50.18 | krka | too bad i never have time for raids and stuff |
| 20:50.19 | nevcairiel | checks |
| 20:50.19 | Pneumatus | no |
| 20:50.22 | Pneumatus | its 310 |
| 20:50.34 | Pneumatus | rusted and ironbound are both 310 |
| 20:50.56 | nevcairiel | the violet one maybe? |
| 20:51.01 | Pneumatus | also 310 |
| 20:51.14 | Pneumatus | the red one from the heroic dungeon meta is only 280 |
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| 20:51.24 | nevcairiel | that one i knew |
| 20:51.40 | nevcairiel | i should still finish that one |
| 20:59.08 | Lopeppeppy | I am not allowed to answer my phone, "I hate you, go away." |
| 21:01.01 | durcyn | try "hello, fuck off." |
| 21:01.03 | alestane | One of those days? |
| 21:01.26 | olafski | oh dunno nevcairiel :< |
| 21:01.35 | Lopeppeppy | alestane, it's been one of those weeks. |
| 21:01.52 | olafski | it says extremely fast |
| 21:01.52 | alestane | Yes, that's kind of the impression I've been getting. |
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| 21:10.21 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/11/12/funny-pictures-listening-to-meh/ |
| 21:10.29 | zenzelezz | you've got nice helpers peppy |
| 21:11.32 | Lopeppeppy | I would say, "Are you listening to me jackass?" |
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| 21:12.41 | zenzelezz | diplomatic cats are diplomatic |
| 21:13.17 | Lopeppeppy | I am out of spoons, no diplomacy left. |
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| 21:15.24 | zenzelezz | isn't it odd how jobs with customer interaction makes you want to kill people? |
| 21:16.32 | Lopeppeppy | I'm about to murder the guy who did the college catalog before me. |
| 21:17.10 | Lopeppeppy | Know how courses come with a list of prerequisites? Well, he got lazy and when he got a list of prereqs one time, he just put them at the top of the department page, instead of putting them with each course... wonder how long THAT shite has been going on? |
| 21:17.54 | Lunessa | Probably forever. |
| 21:18.12 | Lunessa | I bet you have students taking Intro to Chem when they didn't need to... |
| 21:18.39 | mitchnull | oh the blissful years of uni... |
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| 21:25.01 | Lunessa | ... I just got e-mail from a tenured professor with a doctorate that started with "OIC." |
| 21:25.50 | NightHawkTheSane | HUZZAH! |
| 21:26.05 | Lopeppeppy | C D E D B D feet? |
| 21:26.09 | Lopeppeppy | O. M R dux |
| 21:26.19 | NightHawkTheSane | I have obtained a new dsl modem, and have successfully connected it to the internet! |
| 21:27.08 | NightHawkTheSane | now, what i wonder.. it's a netgear, i have a linksys/cisco router, if I add some d-link hardware, will my apartment open a portal to networking hell? |
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| 21:28.53 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: No, but you will cause local ripples in the time/space continuum which will spontaneously cause your grandfather's butterfly collection to have never existed. |
| 21:29.08 | NightHawkTheSane | oh.. well thats okay then |
| 21:29.13 | DWSR | Yes NHTS |
| 21:29.59 | NightHawkTheSane | now i just have to remember how to set this modem up in bridged mode so i can use my already-set-up-and-configured router. |
| 21:31.21 | DWSR | What's everyone's bar texture of preference. |
| 21:31.28 | DWSR | I'm using Smoothv2 atm, but I'm thinking I might switch it up. |
| 21:31.34 | NightHawkTheSane | charcoal. |
| 21:31.43 | NightHawkTheSane | its uninteresting, but i like my textures uninteresting. |
| 21:32.06 | mitchnull | I use Blizzard Tooltip :P |
| 21:32.17 | mitchnull | oh, not that bar |
| 21:32.19 | mitchnull | then I dunno |
| 21:36.18 | zenzelezz | "This is why I name all my programming languages by UUID. In fact, look for my new book, Ed68c886-6390-4255-813f-48e61f6b0b06: The Definitive Guide to be published in the second quarter of next year!" |
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| 21:44.36 | smcn | how much does a direct online upgrade from BC to WotLK cost? |
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| 21:47.29 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/02/02/camouflage/ |
| 21:48.31 | Fisker | 29,99 or 34,99 smcn |
| 21:48.35 | nicoli_s | ahh kitty pictures, this is why i missed irc so much |
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| 21:50.57 | alestane | ~staple Legorol |
| 21:50.58 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Legorol quite well, and hands Legorol to alestane |
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| 22:42.57 | Kraps | heyo |
| 22:44.14 | Lunessa | oyeh? |
| 22:45.17 | Shirik | ahey |
| 22:45.20 | Shirik | ohey |
| 22:46.07 | Kraps | say wuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut |
| 22:46.19 | Lunessa | OHAI imma chargin mah lazerz |
| 22:46.33 | Kraps | thats good |
| 22:46.48 | Thunder_Child | you people all fail |
| 22:47.04 | Lunessa | You came back from away just to say that? WIN |
| 22:47.34 | Thunder_Child | i win you fail |
| 22:48.53 | Kraps | ~launcher |
| 22:48.54 | purl | One-stop filetype/application mapping solution. URL: http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~etgold/software/launcher/ |
| 22:48.59 | Kraps | er no |
| 22:52.27 | Kraps | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Arnold_Schwarzenegger_-_I%27ll_be_back.jpg |
| 22:53.02 | mitchnull | gluexml error when displaying the euila.. nice start... |
| 22:54.02 | DWSR | PTR? |
| 22:54.29 | Shirik | Fun question |
| 22:55.02 | Shirik | Pretend you were a guild member of guild A for 2 years. You eventually became an officer, and about 1 week after becoming an officer, you left for guild B in hopes of better progression and because the people in guild A were pissing you off. |
| 22:55.23 | airtonix | 42 |
| 22:55.29 | DWSR | && |
| 22:55.31 | DWSR | ^^* |
| 22:55.36 | Shirik | now assume guild B is nothing like what you expected, except for the progression. You don't really like them, and they only use you because of your abilities. |
| 22:55.59 | DWSR | Ok. |
| 22:56.01 | DWSR | These aren't questions |
| 22:56.13 | Shirik | Do you go back to guild A, knowing that (1) you have no chance of progressing in the guild (i.e., becoming an officer, etc.) and (2) no chance of progressing in content (since you're already way ahead of them) |
| 22:56.15 | airtonix | i used to have one of those but the wheels fell off |
| 22:56.26 | Shirik | Or do you stay with guild B, knowing that it's the only way for you to progress in content |
| 22:56.35 | DWSR | Guild B. |
| 22:56.35 | airtonix | move server |
| 22:56.52 | DWSR | Because you can always jump ship later with better gear and get picked up by another guild. |
| 22:56.53 | Shirik | move server is option (3) that remains open but closed because the only guild you want to go to has too many healers |
| 22:56.55 | cbreak | do you have fun how it is now? |
| 22:57.04 | Shirik | not really |
| 22:57.09 | DWSR | But getting stuck in gear progression will cock block you for guild moves later. |
| 22:57.20 | DWSR | You want gear, tbh. |
| 22:57.26 | Shirik | I'm not entirely sure that's true |
| 22:57.34 | Shirik | I will never join a guild that doesn't have people I know |
| 22:57.35 | cbreak | isn't qualified to answer due to being in the same guild since 5 years |
| 22:57.46 | Shirik | and guild A isn't THAT far behind |
| 22:57.53 | DWSR | Shirik: How far behind? |
| 22:57.56 | Shirik | I'd still be doing content, just not nearly at the level I was |
| 22:58.10 | Shirik | I think they've downed heroic beats |
| 22:58.15 | DWSR | But nothing else? |
| 22:58.20 | Shirik | versus guild B is on heroic anub |
| 22:58.21 | DWSR | That's fucking fail, go with Guild B. |
| 22:58.23 | Shirik | (though not even close) |
| 22:58.31 | DWSR | If you can down beasts and nothing else, your guild is fail. |
| 22:58.35 | Shirik | not really |
| 22:58.40 | DWSR | yes, really. |
| 22:58.40 | Shirik | this server is very backwater |
| 22:58.42 | cbreak | my guild isn't even on heroic totc yet |
| 22:58.48 | DWSR | Shirik: Which server? |
| 22:58.48 | Shirik | not really |
| 22:58.49 | airtonix | I find that if you're not with a group of people willing to use the new level sync...oh wait blizzrd doesn't care about old content |
| 22:58.51 | Shirik | Drenden |
| 22:58.59 | Shirik | you have no idea how long it took us to get the horde first Yogg |
| 22:59.05 | DWSR | lol |
| 22:59.06 | Shirik | and when I was bragging about it in here, people were like "wtf noob" |
| 22:59.21 | airtonix | lfm level sync raid on hogger |
| 22:59.22 | DWSR | My server just got a heroic anub kill 2 days ago. |
| 22:59.28 | Shirik | Guild B is in fact #2 horde |
| 22:59.31 | Shirik | and probably #4 server |
| 22:59.33 | Shirik | #4ish |
| 22:59.45 | DWSR | Shirik: Look at it this way. |
| 22:59.46 | Shirik | used tobe #1 |
| 22:59.57 | DWSR | You can still socialize with all your friends while in another guild. |
| 23:00.12 | Shirik | And I could probably commit suicide while staying with my current raid team |
| 23:00.15 | DWSR | But it's hard to get gear when you're raiding with 24 other scrubs. |
| 23:00.46 | airtonix | that take their time |
| 23:01.05 | DWSR | Trust me, if you can down Beasts, you can down Jaraxxus. |
| 23:01.13 | Shirik | eh |
| 23:01.25 | DWSR | The fact that Guild A hasn't is a sign of fail. |
| 23:01.26 | Shirik | yeah I guess it only took us another week |
| 23:01.28 | Lunessa | Damn, according to DWSR I'm just totally fail then. |
| 23:01.41 | Shirik | but that was because B downed beasts first time with 1 attempt left |
| 23:01.48 | DWSR | Ah. |
| 23:01.51 | DWSR | Well, that's a little different. |
| 23:01.52 | Shirik | Lunessa: fwiw, I strongly disagree with him |
| 23:02.05 | Lunessa | Beasts is tricky on heroic for people not used to the pacing. |
| 23:02.10 | DWSR | Shirik: I'm a hardcore raider, fwiw |
| 23:02.14 | airtonix | lolz |
| 23:02.15 | Shirik | fwiw, so am I :P |
| 23:02.19 | Shirik | unfortunately |
| 23:02.20 | DWSR | Lunessa: =\ Pacing what? It's a DPSfest. |
| 23:02.21 | airtonix | define hardcore |
| 23:02.25 | Shirik | I think I am the only one on my server that is |
| 23:02.28 | Shirik | which is why I have nowhere to fit in |
| 23:02.33 | airtonix | time spent or effort and theorising? |
| 23:02.35 | DWSR | Shirik: What class/spec? |
| 23:02.39 | DWSR | airtonix: Both |
| 23:02.47 | Shirik | holy priest, though I've been considering disc |
| 23:02.51 | airtonix | time spent doesnt make you hardcore imo |
| 23:02.56 | DWSR | Armory Link? |
| 23:03.02 | Shirik | lol, that's not fair |
| 23:03.07 | Shirik | I haven't raided in 2 months because of this problem |
| 23:03.08 | Shirik | but ok |
| 23:03.20 | Shirik | and yes |
| 23:03.21 | DWSR | Shirik: It's not about your gear level, but how you've gemmed/enchanted. |
| 23:03.27 | Shirik | when I left, they were still on "heroic beasts" |
| 23:03.29 | Shirik | er |
| 23:03.30 | Lunessa | DWSR: Healers and people need to learn to handle pacing of mana use and cooldowns. Most raid groups I know aren't used to encounters where its Boss, Boss, Boss. They expect Boss, pause, boss, pause, Boss. |
| 23:03.31 | Shirik | "heroic anub" |
| 23:03.32 | airtonix | but hey you need to say something worthy of the time you spent |
| 23:03.33 | Shirik | so |
| 23:03.36 | Shirik | 2 months later... |
| 23:03.51 | Shirik | oh interesting DWSR |
| 23:03.55 | Shirik | I will like tosee your input |
| 23:04.03 | Shirik | I've been changing my strategy a little due to a problem I've identified |
| 23:04.10 | Shirik | for gems |
| 23:04.12 | DWSR | Lunessa: Healers, maybe. |
| 23:04.17 | Shirik | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Drenden&n=Kimina |
| 23:04.25 | Shirik | I have determined my mana regen is too high |
| 23:04.33 | cbreak | there seems to be a general loss of players on my server |
| 23:04.35 | Shirik | but I also don't believe in SP |
| 23:04.35 | Lunessa | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kirin+Tor&n=Unkle - let the cries of "n00b" begin. |
| 23:04.39 | DWSR | Lunessa: But the healers in my group were just putting out heals as fast as possible. P1 is the worst part for tank healers, and tbh we have 2 paladins beacon swapping on the 2 tanks. |
| 23:04.49 | DWSR | Lunessa: Good band, btw. |
| 23:05.16 | Lunessa | DWSR - I've been using it as a handle since before the band existed. I have never heard them. |
| 23:05.29 | Shirik | feel free to criticize, but I am well aware that I pave my own path |
| 23:05.37 | Shirik | I probably have a justification for anything you throw at me |
| 23:05.46 | Shirik | I do not believe in "cookie cutter" |
| 23:06.01 | airtonix | situation application & approach |
| 23:06.06 | airtonix | deal with it |
| 23:06.07 | DWSR | Healing allows you to get away with a bit more than DPS. |
| 23:06.14 | DWSR | With DPS there's math that supports "This is how to deal the most damage" |
| 23:06.18 | Shirik | healing involves a lot more strategy than DPS |
| 23:06.24 | Lunessa | I'm using a pretty "cookie cutter" build. |
| 23:06.27 | Shirik | and not so much min-maxing |
| 23:06.46 | DWSR | Shirik: atm, healing doesn't. |
| 23:06.50 | DWSR | Later it will, hopefully. |
| 23:06.53 | Shirik | well |
| 23:06.53 | Shirik | it did |
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| 23:06.59 | DWSR | Right now it's "ZOMG HOLY LIGHT SPAM" |
| 23:07.03 | Shirik | it has been goingdownhill like crazy |
| 23:07.14 | Shirik | and that has contributed to howmuch I have been hating wow these days |
| 23:07.22 | Shirik | healing was the one thing that was left that left me felt challenged |
| 23:07.30 | Shirik | and lately I don't feel that anymore |
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| 23:07.58 | Lunessa | You pretty much have to be someone I <3 muchly or I have to be in a great mood to get me to heal. Otherwise I'm "STFU, I DPS" |
| 23:08.33 | Shirik | I will heal for you Lunessa |
| 23:08.38 | Shirik | Lunessa should take me back |
| 23:08.44 | Shirik | I was in Lunessa's guild for 5 minutes or so |
| 23:08.57 | Shirik | and then RL caught up with me and I never logged in again |
| 23:09.09 | Lunessa | I would totally bring you into Grounding Totem... but we're not hard core enough for your raiding fix. :) |
| 23:09.13 | Shirik | and then I think Lunessa was probably like "FU GTFO" |
| 23:09.34 | Lunessa | Nah... I cleared the roster before xfering the guild to someone else. :P |
| 23:09.41 | DWSR | Shirik: Well, my guild is on Heroic Faction Champs. Been raiding ToGC for a month and we started in Naxx25 gear. |
| 23:10.06 | Shirik | I never said my guild was hardcore raiders |
| 23:10.10 | DWSR | Maximum Prestige @ Emerald Dream |
| 23:10.10 | Shirik | my old guild (before A) was |
| 23:10.16 | Shirik | and I consider myself as one |
| 23:10.20 | Shirik | but this one |
| 23:10.24 | Shirik | well let me put it this way |
| 23:10.28 | Shirik | (1) The officers think they know everything |
| 23:10.29 | DWSR | So, anyway, I'll talk with the GL about a disc priest. |
| 23:10.34 | Shirik | (2) you aren't allowed to make suggestions. ever. |
| 23:10.52 | Shirik | (3) If you try to give someone advice, even non-officers, the response is generally something along the lines of "who are you to tell me this" |
| 23:11.04 | Shirik | (4) if you aren't in the right "clique" glhf on off-raids, you're better off with a pug |
| 23:11.31 | Lunessa | Shirik: Grounding Totem is small - we raid with another guild to do 25-man stuff. I'm one of the better DPS. And the group is pretty fun. |
| 23:11.43 | Shirik | so I'm pretty much convinced I Want Out⢠but I don't know where to |
| 23:12.05 | Shirik | anyway I need to go get some food I'll bbiab |
| 23:12.08 | Lunessa | Plus we have Cogwheel, Lopeppepy, alestane, and Seerah |
| 23:12.16 | Shirik | feel free to keep chatting, my bnc will trap it |
| 23:12.21 | Shirik | and I'll be back in 5 or so |
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| 23:17.01 | Adys | STEAKS |
| 23:17.24 | DWSR | Shirik|AFK: Anyway, I'll see if the GL wants another disc priest. |
| 23:17.37 | DWSR | Might free up to someone to play something else. :) |
| 23:19.43 | Lunessa | And... no faction change required? |
| 23:20.48 | Legorol | Lunessa: your guild sounds fun, why are you not in EU :( |
| 23:21.09 | Lunessa | Legorol: Good fortune to be born an American. |
| 23:21.28 | Lunessa | :P |
| 23:21.40 | Legorol | no, good fortune to have a US account |
| 23:21.41 | DWSR | Ugh, you're a Blood Elf Shirik. |
| 23:21.44 | Legorol | correlated, but not causal |
| 23:21.48 | Lunessa | That too. |
| 23:21.52 | DWSR | my guild's Alliance. |
| 23:22.08 | Lunessa | Legorol: If you had a US account, you could join us too. |
| 23:22.45 | kdtresh | i've got a US account, but i'm not much of a raider, and my highest horde is 10 |
| 23:23.46 | Lunessa | If you can put up with me in here, and you like a similar atmosphere to this channel and play alliance ... we might have a slot for you. :P |
| 23:25.14 | NightHawkTheSane | some days, i seriously want to murder everyone even related setting up modems & routers. |
| 23:25.49 | cbreak | I've set up my own network at home. Including a cablemodem and a router. |
| 23:25.51 | Lunessa | hey - you're the one who went out and bought hardware today, don't look at /us/. |
| 23:26.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: well it was either go out and buy hardware today, or order it from qwest and get it who-knows-when |
| 23:26.27 | NightHawkTheSane | and either way, i'd likely still end up fighting with the hardware. |
| 23:26.30 | Cairenn | omfg! about damn time! http://www.wow.com/2009/11/12/blizzcon-2010-july-in-las-vegas/ |
| 23:26.35 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I feel your pain. Sorry dude. |
| 23:27.32 | NightHawkTheSane | but, the upside is that i'm back online at home again |
| 23:27.43 | Lunessa | Cairenn: Hrmmm... Vegas. Ubiquitous booze and iniquity off all sorts... |
| 23:27.52 | Cairenn | woooohooooo |
| 23:28.01 | Shirik | DWSR: That's not a problem |
| 23:28.03 | Lunessa | You will not be safe. RAWR |
| 23:28.21 | Shirik | I already have plans to join an Alliance guild without you, but as I said they are beyond full on healers |
| 23:28.42 | DWSR | well, we're a little full on healers, but some of those healers have some DPS alts they want to use |
| 23:28.43 | Shirik | btw Legorol, Lunessa is a proud texan |
| 23:28.48 | Shirik | the epitome of american pride |
| 23:29.28 | Shirik | Cairenn |
| 23:29.30 | Shirik | las vegas |
| 23:29.31 | Shirik | why |
| 23:29.35 | Cairenn | party |
| 23:29.35 | Lunessa | I'm proud to be an American, true. But when I'm in Europe I don't make American's look bad. |
| 23:29.39 | Cairenn | party party party |
| 23:29.53 | Shirik | ooh |
| 23:29.57 | Shirik | party with Cairenn in Las Vegas |
| 23:30.00 | Lunessa | I try to learn the language, and I don't expect everyone to speak English. |
| 23:30.18 | Shirik | screw that |
| 23:30.24 | Shirik | british english is an abomination |
| 23:30.34 | Shirik | french and spanish are fun though |
| 23:30.59 | Shirik | but if I ever went to england I would bring a can of spraypaint and mark every sign that has an additional "u" to cross it out |
| 23:31.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: if Lunessa is the epitome of american pride, you're the epitome of american hubris. |
| 23:31.06 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 23:31.11 | Shirik | ~hubris |
| 23:31.12 | purl | HUBRIS: Excessive pride, the sort of thing Zeus zaps you for. Also the quality that makes you write (and maintain) programs that other people won't want to say bad things about. Hence, the third great virtue of a programmer. |
| 23:31.17 | DWSR | Shirik, anyway, like I said, I'll pass along your forum link. You should app though |
| 23:31.43 | Shirik | hubris: Yet another thing stopping me from going back to guild A |
| 23:32.09 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Hey, I'll even admit the Canucks kicked our asses up around the great lakes way back. |
| 23:32.23 | Lunessa | But I'd still rather be an American than just about anything else. |
| 23:32.26 | Shirik | then we stole their women |
| 23:32.30 | DWSR | Shirik: www.maximumprestige.com |
| 23:32.31 | Shirik | and then they were like qqqqqqqqqqqq |
| 23:32.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: im pretty sure they burned down dc too, yeah? :P |
| 23:32.56 | Lunessa | That was the Brits. |
| 23:33.09 | NightHawkTheSane | was it? oh, right. |
| 23:33.17 | Lunessa | Ahem |
| 23:33.25 | Lunessa | ~ War of 1812 |
| 23:33.32 | Shirik | Lunessa |
| 23:33.35 | Shirik | do you have a blackberry? |
| 23:33.40 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, mixed that up. >< |
| 23:34.02 | Lunessa | I had a pearl but traded it for an iPhone. Work issued me a Curve |
| 23:34.14 | Shirik | you wouldn't happen to have an SSH client would you? |
| 23:34.27 | Lunessa | negative. My phone isn't jailbroken. |
| 23:34.34 | Shirik | what about the Curve? |
| 23:34.36 | NightHawkTheSane | I love the stranger: http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/11/12/carrie-prejean-found-dead-in-new-jersey-motel-room |
| 23:34.39 | Lunessa | And I haven't installed any apps on the blackberry |
| 23:34.45 | Shirik | : |
| 23:34.46 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:34.53 | Shirik | you are of no use to me! |
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| 23:36.19 | KarlKFI|work | there are ssh clients int he app store |
| 23:36.30 | KarlKFI|work | just cant get terminal unless your jailbroken i think |
| 23:36.45 | KarlKFI|work | local terminal* |
| 23:37.14 | Shirik | doesn't matter |
| 23:37.14 | Shirik | I'm not a noob |
| 23:37.18 | Shirik | I have a blackberry, not an iphone |
| 23:37.36 | Shirik | also, lol, I heard apple denied the google voice app |
| 23:37.54 | KarlKFI|work | the review process is pretty dumb |
| 23:38.04 | Shirik | for "replacing core functionality" |
| 23:38.15 | NightHawkTheSane | s/dumb/completely opaque, and probably still dumb/ |
| 23:38.16 | Shirik | lol anti-trust? |
| 23:38.30 | NeoTron | that said, I love my iphone |
| 23:38.39 | NightHawkTheSane | did they actually officially deny it now? |
| 23:38.48 | NightHawkTheSane | last i heard it was simply "not yet approved" |
| 23:38.50 | Shirik | well, google released one of the letters of correspondance |
| 23:38.54 | NeoTron | going from a blackberry to iphone is like suddently being able to walk when before all you could do was crawl |
| 23:39.20 | KarlKFI|work | aye, makes the web actually usable |
| 23:39.23 | NeoTron | I did have an ssh client on my blackberry though |
| 23:39.26 | KarlKFI|work | among other things |
| 23:39.28 | NeoTron | it was barely usable |
| 23:39.51 | NeoTron | KarlKFI|work: indeed. safari on the iphone is pretty awesome from a browser point of view |
| 23:40.02 | KarlKFI|work | i use it every day |
| 23:40.26 | KarlKFI|work | i used the web on my sis's blackberry and it was pretty useless |
| 23:41.01 | KarlKFI|work | i just wish i could greasemonkey safari |
| 23:41.30 | KarlKFI|work | some scripts would improve usability or automate common processes |
| 23:41.42 | KarlKFI|work | power user only tho |
| 23:42.16 | KarlKFI|work | spose you can at least make inline js as a bookmark... |
| 23:42.29 | Shirik | NeoTron:Totally disagree |
| 23:42.34 | Shirik | I can do so much more on my blackberry |
| 23:42.36 | Shirik | you know why? |
| 23:42.49 | Shirik | BECAUSE I AM NOT CONTROLLED BY SOME POWER-HUNGRY MANIAC COMPAnY |
| 23:43.05 | Shirik | also |
| 23:43.11 | Adys | hey |
| 23:43.12 | Shirik | because I have phone service that doesn't suck |
| 23:43.12 | NightHawkTheSane | i thought it was because you've deluded yourself into thinking blackberry's were useful |
| 23:43.14 | cogwheel | Shirik: get a droid imo |
| 23:43.16 | KarlKFI|work | yeah, instead you're controller by not having anyone WANT to make apps on the platform |
| 23:43.20 | Adys | I dont have a peenphone |
| 23:43.22 | Adys | and |
| 23:43.23 | KarlKFI|work | controlled* |
| 23:43.26 | Shirik | I thought about droid but I really need to hear some things about it first |
| 23:43.27 | NightHawkTheSane | blackberries* |
| 23:43.27 | Adys | I can do so much more on my computer. |
| 23:43.33 | Shirik | KarlKFI|work: I have all the apps I need |
| 23:43.53 | Shirik | I use midpssh, it's just not written for storm so it's a little clunky |
| 23:44.18 | Shirik | I have google voice too |
| 23:44.20 | Shirik | and I"m happy |
| 23:44.40 | Shirik | and BB OS 5.0 is very fluid and powerful |
| 23:45.25 | Adys | btw |
| 23:45.30 | Adys | anyone received the whelpling pet yet? |
| 23:45.52 | Shirik | btw? |
| 23:45.55 | Shirik | How is that "btw" |
| 23:46.02 | Shirik | it's not in any way related to the conversation >< |
| 23:46.13 | Adys | its related to my line of thought |
| 23:46.15 | Shirik | is there an iphone whelpling pet? |
| 23:46.21 | cogwheel | 15:43 < Adys> I can do so much more on my computer. |
| 23:46.24 | Shirik | blizzard should totally do that |
| 23:46.26 | Pneumatus | there's probably an app for it |
| 23:46.44 | cogwheel | so can i... but i can't bring my computer downstairs with me on a whim |
| 23:46.50 | cogwheel | or in my car |
| 23:46.58 | Adys | I can |
| 23:46.58 | Shirik | I carry my computer on my belt |
| 23:47.02 | DWSR | get a laptop nub |
| 23:47.07 | cogwheel | DWSR: i have one |
| 23:47.08 | cogwheel | it broke |
| 23:47.10 | DWSR | fail |
| 23:47.13 | Shirik | laptops are pretty heavy to fit on a belt |
| 23:47.16 | cogwheel | and would be too expensive to replace |
| 23:47.20 | Adys | notebooks arent! |
| 23:47.21 | Shirik | and it doesn't do a good job of telling me when I have a phonecall |
| 23:47.25 | Adys | cogwheel: oh dont worry |
| 23:47.28 | Adys | buy one of my laptops |
| 23:47.33 | Adys | because did I mention |
| 23:47.40 | Adys | i paid $200 for something I shouldve paid $700N |
| 23:47.44 | Shirik | YEAH FU |
| 23:47.52 | Shirik | $700 isn't even close |
| 23:47.54 | Shirik | try $1200 |
| 23:47.54 | Shirik | or more |
| 23:48.09 | Adys | maybe not that much |
| 23:48.50 | Adys | i mean |
| 23:48.50 | Adys | it couldnt be more than the price of the ssd+$200 |
| 23:48.52 | NightHawkTheSane | this vastly amused me: http://www.jimchines.com/2009/09/20-neil-gaiman-facts/ |
| 23:48.55 | cogwheel | here's the thing though... with my droid, i don't miss my broken laptop anymore |
| 23:48.57 | ScytheBlade1 | so |
| 23:49.10 | ScytheBlade1 | work wants me to work 10h days for the next 3 weeks, 7 days a week |
| 23:49.16 | cogwheel | i'd rather have droid and no laptop than laptop and no droid, tbh |
| 23:49.28 | Adys | so |
| 23:49.52 | Adys | I just figured out why WoW items take fucktons times to load if the item cache is empty |
| 23:50.15 | Jerub | Adys: why's that mr adys sir? |
| 23:50.36 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1:retail? |
| 23:50.45 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 23:50.47 | Adys | because when it has a large queue of items to cache, it can only cache them 256 at a time |
| 23:50.51 | Shirik | what do you do? |
| 23:50.57 | ScytheBlade1 | kinda worse, pseudo-call center |
| 23:51.11 | Shirik | eh |
| 23:51.12 | Lunessa | "William Shakespeare once came back from the dead to ask for Neil Gaimanâs autograph." |
| 23:51.14 | Shirik | well, overtime? :) |
| 23:51.17 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 23:51.19 | Jerub | ScytheBlade1: once upon a time i worked 6days a week 10h a day, was only for 3 months, but that was insane. |
| 23:51.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Everything past 40 |
| 23:51.36 | Jerub | (and I was in melbourne, where shops aren't open on sundays, which was my only day off) |
| 23:51.48 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: will you get doubletime after 7 consecutive days? |
| 23:51.50 | Bruners | is it normal for people to still have 10mbit network cards in their computers? |
| 23:51.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Only food I get is a 30m lunch during that period |
| 23:52.00 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I met him once at a signing/reading in Austin. An amazing guy. |
| 23:52.09 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: er? |
| 23:52.25 | cogwheel | in ca you get time and a half for > 8 hrs in a day or > 40 in a week |
| 23:52.35 | ScytheBlade1 | same |
| 23:52.47 | cogwheel | and if you work 7 days straight or more, you get double time |
| 23:52.53 | ScytheBlade1 | not the same |
| 23:52.54 | ScytheBlade1 | :/ |
| 23:53.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I wish, that'd be awesome |
| 23:53.25 | ScytheBlade1 | 2 weeks of 2x pay |
| 23:53.32 | ScytheBlade1 | and 2x work hours as well |
| 23:54.56 | Lunessa | cogwheel: time and a half for > 8 hrs in a day or > 40 in a week - is pretty standard. |
| 23:55.30 | Lunessa | Though employers are only federally mandated to do time and a half to > 40/week. |
| 23:56.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yeah, he did one up here last year, was awesome. :) |
| 23:57.34 | Kraps | "According to the Las Vegas Convention Center website, Blizzard will be holding BlizzCon 2010 in Las Vegas July 30th and 31st. Upon inquiry, the Convention Center was able to verify the dates and that Blizzard is running the event. However, Blizzard has yet to announce this themselves. |
| 23:57.47 | Lunessa | He and I talked about a book called "Wasp" where the hero is what we would call a terrorist now. he wanted to make a movie script from it, but thought it wouldn't go over well since... you know. |
