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| 00:04.55 | Adys | [01:56:10] <ScytheBlade1> http://www.nhowephotography.com/IMG_6153.jpg |
| 00:04.58 | Adys | what? |
| 00:05.25 | ScytheBlade1 | bottom left |
| 00:05.44 | Adys | what about it? |
| 00:06.48 | kd3 | lmao |
| 00:09.23 | cog|work | votes that everyone here who's on facebook should put their nick somewhere in their profile |
| 00:09.40 | kd3 | that would entail getting back on facebook |
| 00:09.53 | kd3 | I stopped doing that the second it wasn't limited to .edu addresses |
| 00:10.03 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.babelgum.com/4007716/ultrarealistic-modern-warfare-video-game-features-engine-repair-awaiting-orders.html |
| 00:10.06 | NightHawkTheSane | hilarious. |
| 00:10.14 | cog|work | kd3: hence my qualification of "who's on facebook" :P |
| 00:10.47 | Cairenn | points out her name on FB, to cog|work |
| 00:11.04 | cog|work | obviously people who already do, notwithstanding :P |
| 00:11.11 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 00:12.06 | NightHawkTheSane | has his facebook account locked down so no one can find him. >.> |
| 00:12.14 | NightHawkTheSane | doesn't log in for weeks on end anyway. |
| 00:16.56 | Lunessa | cog|work: Tekkub wrote a script for linking nicks to FB IDs. |
| 00:17.15 | tekkub | userscipts FTFW |
| 00:19.19 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: wtf is that site |
| 00:19.58 | tekkub | cog|work: http://gist.github.com/185148 |
| 00:20.29 | cog|work | lol |
| 00:21.23 | WobWork | tekkub: add me in, I guess =P |
| 00:21.39 | tekkub | you do it :P |
| 00:21.48 | tekkub | that's what forks are for |
| 00:21.56 | ZorbaGama | anyone know of a UI mod that narrows a targeted creature's location down on your radar? |
| 00:21.57 | WobWork | I'd have to setup git here =P |
| 00:22.07 | WobWork | ZorbaGama: how would that work? |
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| 00:22.39 | ZorbaGama | wob, you can figure out the creature's approximate distance through various techniques, including an API call that gives you its distance within a few ranges and the player's abilities |
| 00:22.55 | ZorbaGama | poll that every tenth of a second, watch as the user walks around, cross out the areas that the creature can't logically be in. |
| 00:23.09 | ZorbaGama | add a little fudge factor for the creature's movement. |
| 00:23.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: not sure, looks like they buy some exclusive stuff from the onion though |
| 00:23.43 | theorb | Hm, I know it's possible to add things to the minimap. Is it possible to introspect what the basic client put there? |
| 00:23.55 | ZorbaGama | no, that part isn't possible |
| 00:25.28 | WobWork | ZorbaGama: So you're trying to triangulate without knowing the exact direction, location and precise distance? =) |
| 00:25.33 | Yssaril | anyone currently on the us pve ptr? |
| 00:25.52 | ZorbaGama | wob, exactly! not too tough at all :) |
| 00:26.01 | WobWork | and how do you cross out illogical areas without massive amounts of terrain/mob data? |
| 00:26.49 | ZorbaGama | wob, you just don't worry about it. the "common case" is standing in the middle of an open area anyway |
| 00:26.57 | ZorbaGama | there's no reason to go to a ton of trouble to cross out mountains. |
| 00:27.20 | mitchnull | where would it be useful? |
| 00:27.22 | theorbtwo | ZorbaGama: Really? Plenty of mobs in mountains. Even more under them. |
| 00:27.26 | ZorbaGama | similarly, you don't worry too much about player height |
| 00:27.39 | ZorbaGama | mitch, well, right now I'm walking around looking for a somewhat rare spawn |
| 00:27.51 | ZorbaGama | I get it targeted, then I spend twenty seconds looking around for a "selected" creature moving around. |
| 00:28.16 | mitchnull | zorba: install RangeDisplay :P |
| 00:28.18 | ZorbaGama | theorb, sure, but that's not the most common case. |
| 00:28.26 | ZorbaGama | you can make a useful product without covering everything perfectly. |
| 00:28.54 | theorbtwo | Of course. |
| 00:29.32 | ZorbaGama | mitch, RangeDisplay is part of it. I want something that will use RangeDisplayish data to tell me where a monster is. |
| 00:29.42 | theorbtwo | I guess not everything has hunter's mark. |
| 00:30.02 | ZorbaGama | true. it's very hard to cast Hunter's Mark as a warrior. |
| 00:30.06 | theorbtwo | ZorbaGama: You want it to draw a circle of range on your minimap? |
| 00:30.24 | ZorbaGama | theorb, more than that, I want it to use data to narrow down possible locations |
| 00:30.31 | ZorbaGama | like, let's say we determine it's within 20 to 30 yards |
| 00:30.37 | ZorbaGama | so I get a circle on my minimap |
| 00:30.51 | ZorbaGama | then I walk ten yards to the east and it's still within 20 to 30 yards |
| 00:30.56 | mitchnull | zorba: I know rangedisplay won't do what you'd like now, but at least you'd know whether you're moving in the right direction or not :) |
| 00:31.05 | ZorbaGama | it can chop out the east and west parts of that circle, 'cause if it were in those, it would be under 20 or above 30 |
| 00:31.25 | theorbtwo | Hm, OTOH, that's only true if you assume your target is staying still. |
| 00:31.34 | ZorbaGama | it's basically doing that same "are you walking in the right direction" thing, only automated. |
| 00:31.48 | ZorbaGama | theorb, most monsters are slow. you throw in a little fudge factor for that |
| 00:32.05 | ZorbaGama | well under one yard per second. |
| 00:32.10 | theorbtwo | Ah. Quite true, especially if you are mounted. |
| 00:32.20 | ZorbaGama | yup |
| 00:37.32 | ZorbaGama | hey, rangedisplay is public domain |
| 00:37.42 | ZorbaGama | there's the annoying part done |
| 00:38.21 | theorbtwo | BTW, I did do some looking into questhelper's code. Sadly, I've been a naughty boy, and haven't written down anything along the lines of, you know, useful comments. |
| 00:38.30 | ZorbaGama | hah, no worries |
| 00:38.44 | ZorbaGama | lemme know if you run into anything questionable |
| 00:38.50 | ZorbaGama | or subtle, or inexplicable |
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| 00:42.30 | mitchnull | zorba: actually, all you need is LibRangeCheck if you wanna do this stuff (rangedisplay is just a ready-made display for the data that librangecheck provides) |
| 00:42.43 | ZorbaGama | aha, even easier |
| 00:42.55 | ZorbaGama | maybe I'll try it out, I wanna see if it works |
| 00:43.29 | Twisol|sleeping | Any chance I could get some expert opinion on my code? No errors/bugs (so far), but this is my first addon and I'd like to make sure I'm going in the right direction. |
| 00:44.09 | Twisol | it's here if anyone wants to look: http://wowui.pastebin.com/d2a50792b |
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| 01:13.35 | Thunder_Child | i call bs http://wowuidev.pastey.net/128024 |
| 01:19.07 | cog|away | PIE! |
| 01:20.04 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5400705/replacement-penises-grown-in-lab-for-rabbits-now-humans-later |
| 01:20.45 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: interesting. i'll keep that in mind for when i wear this one out. |
| 01:21.27 | WobWork | ugh |
| 01:21.32 | WobWork | remote debugging is so terribly slow |
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| 01:29.58 | NightHawkTheSane | this line is awesome: Ooooh baby, you had no idea that was there, huh? Smack that "Advanced Options" pop up like it was a puppy who peed on a rug that really tied the room together." |
| 01:30.16 | NightHawkTheSane | (from here: http://www.ransom-note-typography.com/index.php/SSD_and_Your_Home_Directory) |
| 01:31.57 | Shirik | Without limiting the foregoing, everything on the Website is provided to you "AS IS" WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND EITHER EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR TITLE AND NON-INFRINGEMENT. ADDITIONALLY, WE DO NOT WARRANT THAT THE WEBSITE(S) OR THE SERVERS MAKING THE SITE(S) AVAILABLE ARE VIRUS FREE |
| 01:32.03 | Shirik | Are things that bad that we have to say this now? |
| 01:32.12 | Twisol | =/ |
| 01:32.16 | Lunessa | Shirik: Yes. |
| 01:33.50 | Shirik | lmao, IT just sent out an email saying internet service has been restored |
| 01:34.05 | Shirik | how such a critical piece of technology can be down for the ENTIRE day is beyond me |
| 01:34.14 | Shirik | 14 hours |
| 01:34.37 | WobWork | Shirik: you live in one of the most litigious countries in the world, and you ask that? |
| 01:34.55 | Jerub | the same reason people buy a $500 cisco router suitable for 10 users and put it infront of a 200 user network, and trust it because it has the 'cisco' decal. |
| 01:34.59 | Shirik | oh wow I'm wrong |
| 01:35.04 | Shirik | it's been down since yesterday at 11 PM |
| 01:35.29 | Shirik | according to their status page |
| 01:37.44 | Shirik | I still think it's pretty sad we have ot say things like "Our site might have viruses. Sorry." |
| 01:38.01 | NightHawkTheSane | why is my launcher trying, and seemingly failing, to download an update? |
| 01:39.54 | Shirik | oooooh, Toyota's got some SUA problems on their hand |
| 01:40.09 | theorbtwo | SUA? |
| 01:40.17 | Shirik | sudden unintended acceleration |
| 01:40.34 | theorbtwo | That sounds like a very bad thing in a car. |
| 01:40.38 | Shirik | Of all of the failure modes we have in our vehicle, SUA is one of the ones we focus on the most because it's one of the most dangerous |
| 01:42.15 | Lunessa | Shirik: "We have ads with flash in them. These may contain a virus and there's nothing we can do about it. Sucks to be you. Get a decent scanner you schmuck" doesn't get past the legal department very well. |
| 01:42.21 | Shirik | funny thing is, Toyota apparently has no idea what's causing it |
| 01:42.25 | Shirik | and neither does the NHTSA |
| 01:42.46 | Shirik | So Toyota recalled 3.8 million floor mats and the NHTSA basically said "nah that ain't going to cut it." |
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| 01:43.53 | NeoTron | how could a floor mat cause sudden accelleration? |
| 01:43.58 | Shirik | Good question :P |
| 01:44.02 | NeoTron | I mean I can see a floor mat preventing sudden braking |
| 01:44.18 | Shirik | maybe if it gets stuck against the pedal |
| 01:44.43 | NeoTron | in fact, I rear ended someone once due to that exact reason (they slammed the brake, I tried to but nothing much happened because the "all weather" floor mat apparently had slid up and prevented full depression of the brake pedal)... :P |
| 01:44.53 | Twisol | Ick. |
| 01:45.17 | Bruners | best place to grind timbermaw reputation, winterspring or felwood? |
| 01:45.26 | NeoTron | and as per murphy's law, the car I hit was a brand new mercedes or bmw or sometihn similar |
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| 01:46.58 | Shirik | Bruners: Felwood imo |
| 01:48.04 | Bruners | they have really boosted the rep gain since the last time i did this |
| 01:49.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Bruners: wherever there's less people |
| 01:50.55 | Bruners | should i be waiting with feathers to revered or have they changed that part? |
| 01:53.00 | ScytheBlade1 | HEY SHIRIK |
| 01:53.01 | ScytheBlade1 | http://developers.slashdot.org/story/09/11/09/1845250/Oracle-Outlines-Plans-for-Sun-Products-Casts-Doubt-on-NetBeans?art_pos=6 |
| 01:53.22 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:53.24 | Shirik | not cool |
| 01:53.27 | ScytheBlade1 | cheers |
| 01:53.41 | Shirik | GlassFish is shit |
| 01:53.44 | Shirik | why they want to keep it I don't know |
| 01:53.47 | Shirik | but NetBeans is good |
| 01:54.05 | Shirik | everyone uses tomcat |
| 01:54.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Everyone/anyone with sense anyway |
| 01:55.23 | Shirik | everyone divided by anyone with sense? |
| 01:55.48 | ScytheBlade1 | s/// and / |
| 01:55.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Not that I expected that to work, but still |
| 01:56.00 | Lunessa | Shirik: Dividing by infinity is always useless. |
| 01:56.17 | Shirik | s/\//\/ and\/ I think |
| 01:56.17 | NightHawkTheSane | in this case wouldn't it be dividing by 0? |
| 01:56.22 | Shirik | Hello/world |
| 01:56.27 | Shirik | s/\//\/ and\/ |
| 01:56.29 | Lunessa | Haha |
| 01:56.31 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:56.54 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: Negative, it would be dividing by just me |
| 01:57.03 | Shirik | and since I am infinitely powerful, it would be dividing by infinity |
| 01:57.03 | NightHawkTheSane | so like i said, zero. |
| 01:57.29 | Shirik | When Buzz Lightyear said "To Infinity" he was talking about me |
| 01:57.32 | ScytheBlade1 | which reminds me, I was setting up a new jabber server |
| 01:57.32 | Shirik | he wanted to visit |
| 01:58.36 | Shirik | you were |
| 01:58.39 | Shirik | but SHOULD you be |
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| 02:03.12 | Antiarc | Woooo :D |
| 02:03.12 | Antiarc | http://i.imgur.com/rTaKw.png |
| 02:03.12 | Adys | augmented reality examples on slashdot |
| 02:03.12 | Adys | Useful: Headphones you lock onto your kids heads so you can swear all you want and have it get bleeped out. (Though I guess this would be more of a demented reality.) |
| 02:05.54 | Shirik | uhhh |
| 02:05.59 | Shirik | Tip of the day: Visual Assist X adds multiple clipboards to Microsoft Visual C++ 6.0. Press Ctrl+Shift+V to access them. |
| 02:06.12 | Shirik | Too bad I have Visual Studio 2009 :( |
| 02:06.14 | Shirik | I think that tip of the day needs to be updated lol |
| 02:06.23 | Shirik | cogwheel ^ |
| 02:07.34 | cogwheel | vc6 is one of the most popular windows compilers even today |
| 02:07.57 | Shirik | seriously? |
| 02:08.03 | Shirik | It's got to be one of the most non-standard |
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| 02:08.07 | cogwheel | there are HUGE codebases dependent on it |
| 02:08.11 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:08.14 | Shirik | well that's probably why |
| 02:08.21 | Shirik | That's what Microsoft did |
| 02:08.30 | Shirik | intentionally made it non-standard so they can latch into the market |
| 02:08.35 | DWSR | Is there some rampant patch problems right now? |
| 02:08.36 | cogwheel | >< |
| 02:09.10 | cogwheel | Shirik: thing is, it was released the same year as the standard |
| 02:09.16 | Shirik | I think it was released before, no? |
| 02:09.23 | Lunessa | Antiarc: I'm not entirely sure what I'm looking at - a new timer for dots? A new counter? |
| 02:09.23 | cogwheel | if so, only by months |
| 02:09.30 | DWSR | Anyone know anything about the patch that just hit downloader? |
| 02:09.32 | cogwheel | at least according to wikipedia |
| 02:09.39 | cogwheel | Visual C++ 6.0 (commonly known as VC6), which included MFC 6.0, was released in 1998[9] |
| 02:09.39 | Shirik | yeah it's true |
| 02:09.45 | DWSR | My raid's all been hit by "Cannot verfiy game client" |
| 02:09.55 | Shirik | DWSR: There are patches floating around |
| 02:09.55 | Antiarc | Lunessa: Damage results using my addon during a 2:00 combat dummy test |
| 02:10.01 | Antiarc | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/poisonswapper.aspx |
| 02:10.07 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: i believe there are some issues, yeah |
| 02:10.11 | Antiarc | Intelligent weapon swapping for maximum poison damage throughput |
| 02:10.13 | Lunessa | Capito! Sweet. |
| 02:10.21 | NightHawkTheSane | my client just downloaded a bunch of what appears to be nothing. :P |
| 02:10.29 | Shirik | same as NightHawkTheSane |
| 02:10.48 | DWSR | NHTS: Right, but the client is telling everyone in my raid they can't login without updating. |
| 02:10.53 | DWSR | And the update breaks their installs. |
| 02:10.55 | DWSR | So...wtf. |
| 02:11.05 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* |
| 02:11.10 | Shirik | Someone pushed the 3.3 button too early imo |
| 02:11.19 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ quite likely, or something similar. :P |
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| 02:11.53 | NightHawkTheSane | once i got the game to actualy start downloading something (as opposed to trying, and failing), i just let it go and it worked fine. *shrug* |
| 02:12.04 | DWSR | NHTS: Yeah. |
| 02:12.08 | DWSR | It's been alright for me too. |
| 02:12.16 | DWSR | But I thought it would all be pre-fetch |
| 02:12.31 | NightHawkTheSane | well, im pretty sure whatever happened is a fuck up on blizzards end |
| 02:14.20 | NightHawkTheSane | hah |
| 02:14.24 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 02:14.28 | DWSR | There's lots of raging in vent atm |
| 02:14.41 | NightHawkTheSane | someone managed to get back to dal with loken's Arc Lightning debuff. it's floating around random people |
| 02:14.48 | Antiarc | hahaha |
| 02:14.52 | Antiarc | Need to do that |
| 02:14.57 | Lunessa | Some intern in Ops screwed a config file/// |
| 02:16.00 | Shirik | why always the interns :( |
| 02:16.06 | Shirik | I made a plane, Lunessa, a plane |
| 02:16.14 | Shirik | AND DO YOU SEE IT FALLING OUT OF THE SKY OR TAKING OVER THE WORLD? NO! |
| 02:16.20 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, yes, i do |
| 02:16.28 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:16.34 | Lunessa | Shirik: Does it come equipped with missiles? |
| 02:16.34 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 02:16.54 | Shirik | it's actually a modular payload |
| 02:16.57 | Lunessa | And Shirik, you're not interning for a grunt job. |
| 02:16.58 | Shirik | so it could be anything... |
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| 02:29.53 | Shirik | wtb a good music artist |
| 02:29.56 | Shirik | name any that I will like |
| 02:30.12 | Legorol | Immediate Music |
| 02:30.50 | Shirik | that's a group name? |
| 02:31.19 | Legorol | yes |
| 02:31.36 | Legorol | hmm, i could swear the Launcher just downloaded an update |
| 02:31.40 | Legorol | but the build number didn't seem to change |
| 02:31.50 | Bruners | Black Violin |
| 02:32.06 | Shirik | Legorol: It was a virus |
| 02:32.12 | Shirik | keylogger for me to get your accountz |
| 02:32.14 | Legorol | zomg |
| 02:32.19 | Legorol | Blizz trying to keylog my account! |
| 02:32.32 | Legorol | Good thing i got an authenticator, so they can't read my password |
| 02:34.11 | DWSR | Legorol: Yeah, someone fucked up at blizzard. |
| 02:34.34 | Legorol | of course it could have just downloaded updated tools, which doesn't increase the build number |
| 02:34.39 | Legorol | but usually that's a different message, hm |
| 02:34.44 | Legorol | DWSR: how so? |
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| 02:34.51 | Shirik | tackles Iriel |
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| 02:36.37 | DWSR | Legorol: They rolled out a dud patch |
| 02:38.02 | Yssaril | dwsr it update the launcher, repair.exe, scan.dll, and the BGdownloader though |
| 02:39.17 | DWSR | Yssaril: It also broke 9 people's installs in my raid. |
| 02:39.27 | Yssaril | ouch |
| 02:39.35 | DWSR | imo, bad patch |
| 02:39.38 | Gryphon | pebkac |
| 02:39.56 | Yssaril | i think they just didnt want to raid tonight :P |
| 02:42.53 | Yssaril | DWSR: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20860801510&sid=1&pageNo=14#278 |
| 02:44.32 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWQFcPEuRJY |
| 02:46.22 | AbsolutRayne | Whys the Blizzard Downloader going O_o |
| 02:46.38 | Gryphon | lol |
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| 02:46.50 | ScytheBlade1 | And yes, hat is 43 seconds of your life that you won't get back. |
| 02:47.28 | ScytheBlade1 | *that |
| 02:48.24 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, wtf |
| 02:49.10 | ScytheBlade1 | You know you liked it |
| 02:50.18 | NightHawkTheSane | i hate you, ScytheBlade1 |
| 02:51.06 | ScytheBlade1 | 21:48 < ScytheBlade1> You know you liked it |
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| 03:04.45 | AbsolutRayne | House in 55 Mins! :D |
| 03:04.59 | AbsolutRayne | wiggles in Excitement |
| 03:07.03 | cogwheel | add another 20 mins or so for the DVR to skip commercials imo :P |
| 03:08.32 | cogwheel | wonders if blizzard will make an authenticator for android |
| 03:08.51 | DWSR | Does anyone know what the hell the patch was for? |
| 03:09.22 | cogwheel | gd hallows end... i keep talking to the innkeeper out of habit. |
| 03:10.41 | ScytheBlade1 | DWSR: the tools. Launcher and friends. |
| 03:11.05 | cogwheel | grumbles at setpoint making me remove and re-add wow.exe after a patch |
| 03:17.12 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: i've been wondering that since they released the iphone version. :( |
| 03:19.38 | Thunder_Child | " * Lay on Hands: This ability will place Forbearance on the paladin if used on his or herself. It will not place Forbearance on others. " heh |
| 03:19.49 | Lunessa | There are authenticatiors for more than just iPhone. |
| 03:21.16 | NightHawkTheSane | but none for android |
| 03:21.27 | Lunessa | Yet. |
| 03:22.06 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* iphone dev is really not so significantly easier than android dev that they couldn't have pushed one out by now |
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| 03:22.28 | Thunder_Child | ipoone is a veteran product |
| 03:22.32 | Thunder_Child | android isnt |
| 03:22.38 | Thunder_Child | iphone* |
| 03:23.15 | Lunessa | Actually, I think the issue is "installed base" |
| 03:23.15 | NightHawkTheSane | "veteran" is a relative term. |
| 03:23.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: that i'll believe. |
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| 03:25.26 | sylvanaar | the question of the day - buy CoD on steam or on PS3? |
| 03:26.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Answer of the day: Purple! |
| 03:26.39 | Jerub | are you asking, "should i buy a FPS on a platform that is suited to it, or one that makes you want to treat the 'first person' as yourself and 'shoot'?" buy it on steam. |
| 03:26.42 | NightHawkTheSane | ooh. no match, try again tomorrow! |
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| 03:28.41 | Thunder_Child | consoles are suited to two things and two things only. sports and 2D side combat games |
| 03:29.27 | NightHawkTheSane | interesting: http://rc3.org/2009/11/08/close-votes-are-a-feature-not-a-bug/ |
| 03:29.54 | Corrodias | CoD MW2? |
| 03:30.02 | Corrodias | i'd recommend just not buying it at all, given how much it sucks |
| 03:30.23 | Zyn- | hah |
| 03:30.40 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: you forgot racing games |
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| 03:33.14 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, no, i think i would call that 50-50 |
| 03:33.34 | Thunder_Child | i have played on both and unless you have some super setup on your PC it feels about the same to me |
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| 03:34.16 | Arrowmaster | controller vs keyboard, the controller wins every time for the analog precision |
| 03:34.28 | Arrowmaster | wheel vs wheel, even |
| 03:34.30 | NightHawkTheSane | ff-stysle rpgs tend to be better on console too |
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| 03:36.34 | Corrodias | thing is, PCs can use a lot of gamepads |
| 03:36.51 | Corrodias | the only problem there is that you can't ASSUME any given player has one |
| 03:36.58 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 03:37.00 | Corrodias | although someone like me has about 4 and hardly ever uses any of them |
| 03:37.30 | durcyn | playing a shooter with anything other than a keyboard and mouse makes you at best a heretic |
| 03:37.41 | durcyn | damn kids and their consoles |
| 03:39.21 | Jerub | I've heard of people playing tf2 on the console. |
| 03:39.28 | Jerub | it boggles my mind. it must be a different game. |
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| 03:47.57 | Arrowmaster | if the game seems to have been designed for the console and the pc is just a shitty port then ill play it on the console |
| 03:48.06 | Arrowmaster | im getting MW2 for 360 tomorrow |
| 03:48.27 | Arrowmaster | but theres no fucking way i would get L4D2 for 360 |
| 03:48.58 | Lunessa | I don't play enough games that would be better on a console to own any. |
| 03:49.52 | Arrowmaster | ive got enough console exclusives to justify it |
| 03:50.12 | Lunessa | 'sokay. I'll just borrow yours. :P |
| 03:53.25 | Lunessa | http://i36.tinypic.com/2b192x.jpg - is it just me, or does that action bar layout appear totally freudian? |
| 03:55.06 | alestane | I will *snark* for Peppy since she's not ehre. |
| 03:55.36 | Lunessa | Oh com'on... they guy arranged his buttons like a wang. |
| 03:56.15 | cogwheel | it doesn't look much more like a wang than a unit frame... |
| 03:56.21 | alestane | Which is why she *snarks*. |
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| 03:56.45 | alestane | And since she isn't here, I snark on her behalf. |
| 03:56.48 | Lunessa | cogwheel: there's a reason I replace the defualt unit frames... |
| 03:56.58 | cogwheel | :P |
| 04:00.27 | Thunder_Child | uhhh...why am i downloading an update? |
| 04:00.51 | Thunder_Child | there was a patch between this morning and now |
| 04:00.52 | Thunder_Child | ? |
| 04:01.19 | cogwheel | not to the game |
| 04:01.35 | Thunder_Child | well, i am downloading one now.... |
| 04:01.40 | Thunder_Child | and it's big |
| 04:02.29 | cogwheel | :08 < DWSR> Does anyone know what the hell the patch was for? |
| 04:02.29 | cogwheel | 19:10 < ScytheBlade1> DWSR: the tools. Launcher and friends. |
| 04:02.50 | Thunder_Child | grrr...i dont even use the launcher |
| 04:04.29 | Thunder_Child | thanks cogwheel |
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| 04:06.27 | ccox | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:07.06 | Adys | ... |
| 04:07.26 | ccox | and a slow download at that |
| 04:07.55 | Cairenn | wasn't too terribly slow for me, but yes, an update |
| 04:08.56 | Cairenn | 3.2.2a, general fixes |
| 04:09.05 | Legorol | we already had 3.2.2a |
| 04:09.08 | ccox | I logged in at 5pm and got no update |
| 04:09.15 | ccox | at 8pm, we have an update |
| 04:09.15 | Legorol | this seems to update only the launcher and tools |
| 04:09.17 | Cairenn | hmmmm |
| 04:09.26 | ccox | but I don't use the @%#$#@%$ launcher |
| 04:09.27 | Legorol | doesn't affect game functionality |
| 04:09.33 | Legorol | unlucky for you ccox :) |
| 04:09.37 | Cairenn | needs to learn to read dates some times ;) |
| 04:09.46 | ccox | must have been a security issue to force an update like this |
| 04:10.38 | Adys | is it still 10505? |
| 04:12.53 | Legorol | yes |
| 04:13.09 | Legorol | a security issue would touch WoW.exe and bump the build number imo |
| 04:13.44 | Legorol | looks like one of those minor tools updates that only happens when you next relog |
| 04:14.31 | ccox | 10 minutes, 45% complete |
| 04:15.03 | cogwheel | Legorol: it touched my wow.exe |
| 04:15.49 | cogwheel | (i have to redo my mouse settings every time it happens) |
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| 04:17.51 | Lunessa | cogwheel: That sounds dirty |
| 04:18.29 | NightHawkTheSane | touches Lunessa's wow.exe |
| 04:18.33 | cogwheel | agrees |
| 04:18.55 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: You're going to make tekkub envious. |
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| 04:21.08 | Lunessa | Anyone know of a reputable group collecting old cell phones for charitable purposes? |
| 04:21.19 | Legorol | cogwheel: that's really strange. My WoW.exe was created on 23 Sep 2007, and last modified on 17 Oct 2009 |
| 04:22.02 | cogwheel | huh... mine says 01 oct... |
| 04:22.05 | cogwheel | ~lart logitech |
| 04:22.05 | purl | sends a legion of lawyers after logitech's head |
| 04:24.49 | Lunessa | Need to find the data cable for my Blackberry Pearl so I can save the last of my data off here, then wipe it. But I'd kind of like it to go to a good cause and not a recycle bin. |
| 04:26.38 | ccox | app not modified for me |
| 04:26.53 | ccox | updater and downloader were replaced |
| 04:27.22 | ccox | don't see data changes |
| 04:27.35 | Adys | ccox: are you still on 10505? |
| 04:27.40 | ccox | yes |
| 04:27.46 | Adys | k thanks |
| 04:27.51 | Adys | night all |
| 04:27.53 | ccox | update and patch ran, but the app wasn't touched |
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| 04:31.06 | Lunessa | Going home. Ciao tutti. |
| 04:31.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: so i can blame you if/when they nerf rogue weapon swapping, yes? http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/21043884738-rogue-weapon-swapping-isnt-a-big-deal.html |
| 04:31.34 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 04:34.01 | Jerub | odd, they've nerfed occy. |
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| 04:34.15 | Jerub | doesn't surprise me, i hate occcy. |
| 04:34.26 | kdtresh | i'd be curious to see the stats on it |
| 04:34.29 | NightHawkTheSane | im kinda sad. it was so easy. |
| 04:34.36 | kdtresh | it's gotta be way below all the other instances |
| 04:36.41 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, annoying != hard |
| 04:37.14 | Jerub | okay, someone just posted some epic win in the 3.3 ptr thread i just read. |
| 04:37.31 | Jerub | a paper on the video '2 girls 1 cup' |
| 04:37.40 | Jerub | including the marks from their teacher. |
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| 04:42.31 | Antiarc | NightHawkTheSane: Yup! |
| 04:43.17 | Jerub | it's annoyingly hard. |
| 04:43.26 | Jerub | and it's very easy for noobs to screw you up. |
| 04:43.59 | Jerub | I just want the achievements from it ;) |
| 04:44.16 | Jerub | the 20 minute achievement is probably the hardest. |
| 04:44.21 | NightHawkTheSane | not really |
| 04:44.27 | NightHawkTheSane | get a group thats not full of fail and its easy |
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| 04:45.31 | Jerub | by that you mean 5k+ dps and mostly ilvl245+ gear right? |
| 04:45.54 | Jerub | I did it with a perfectly fine heroic group and we had /started/ the second to last boss fight when the timer expired. |
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| 04:55.42 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* wowhead needs better filters |
| 04:56.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: er, *shrug* I did it fine with a group in mostly something around 213-226 gear. |
| 04:57.49 | NightHawkTheSane | and i've seen people on a red proto drake pre-3.2.. so yeah 245 gear is hardly required |
| 05:00.45 | Jerub | ... wowhead doesn't have a sans 'www.' useful DNS record |
| 05:03.55 | Jerub | wait wait wait. |
| 05:04.05 | Jerub | haris pilton's new 24slot bag is called a 'portable hole' |
| 05:04.18 | Esamynn | ... what? |
| 05:04.45 | Jerub | isn't that a terrible double entendre? |
| 05:05.09 | NightHawkTheSane | if by terrible, you mean AWESOME. |
| 05:05.10 | NightHawkTheSane | then yes. |
| 05:05.47 | Jerub | Okay, 'Morning Glory Dew' has lost the crown, it now goes to the 'Portable Hole' for crudest Double Entedre in WoW. |
| 05:06.09 | Thunder_Child | not really |
| 05:08.36 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: find a worse one ;) |
| 05:11.27 | Thunder_Child | Jerub, i am saying that is not one at all |
| 05:11.28 | Arrowmaster | i need to get mats to craft a bottomless bag, get a portable hole, then take a screenshot of the portable hole equipped and the bottomless bag inside it |
| 05:11.46 | Arrowmaster | then complain to blizzard that the server didnt crash and all data wasnt deleted |
| 05:12.10 | NightHawkTheSane | haha |
| 05:12.27 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: I just accidentally the hole. |
| 05:15.15 | Thunder_Child | Jerub, is not dirty |
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| 05:16.58 | Jerub | far out. reading the patch notes. |
| 05:17.07 | Jerub | has any other single patch contained this much awesome? |
| 05:17.12 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 05:17.42 | NightHawkTheSane | i think 3.0 did |
| 05:17.48 | NightHawkTheSane | 2.0 was pretty badass too |
| 05:18.32 | Jerub | where can i read those patch notes? |
| 05:19.06 | NightHawkTheSane | i imagine they're online somewhere. depending on how old your wow install is, you may have them |
| 05:22.58 | Jerub | heh, 2.0.3 added the now-antique LFG interface |
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| 05:24.55 | Twisol | Would anyone mind looking over some addon code? It's pretty short and simple, but I'd like someone's opinion just to make sure I'm doing things the canonical way, not making any dumb mistakes. http://wowui.pastebin.com/d2a50792b |
| 05:25.52 | Jerub | 3.0.2 added the calendar, added the pets tab, agro warning, linking tradeskills, shiftclick to loot mail. |
| 05:25.57 | Twisol | also, what's the joke behind the portable hole? I dun get it :( |
| 05:26.13 | Thunder_Child | there is none really |
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| 05:26.40 | Jerub | zips his lips. |
| 05:26.45 | ccox | reference to old D&D item |
| 05:26.55 | ccox | that, and a dig at Paris Hilton, maybe |
| 05:27.25 | NightHawkTheSane | almost certainlyl indended as the former |
| 05:27.46 | Twisol | Bah, I want opinions =/ |
| 05:28.19 | ccox | Try Fox News - they have plenty of opinions to force feed ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H give you |
| 05:28.29 | NightHawkTheSane | ~ccox++ |
| 05:28.51 | Thunder_Child | so bitter |
| 05:29.29 | Twisol | to forgive you? |
| 05:29.30 | ccox | more like disgusted |
| 05:29.39 | Twisol | needed maybe three move backspaces there |
| 05:29.41 | Twisol | >_> |
| 05:30.02 | Jerub | this is why i use ^W |
| 05:30.28 | Twisol | also, it's not forcefeeding if I'm asking. ^_^ |
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| 05:34.09 | Bruners | im guessing the update today is to adjust with the new battle.net login only thingie |
| 05:35.19 | Thunder_Child | would have been nice if they could have waited till tomorrow to do it with the rest |
| 05:38.41 | ccox | sigh, cross realm instance queues cannot get here soon enough |
| 05:41.31 | Esamynn | is bored |
| 05:42.41 | Twisol | Do auctionhouses work within the battlegroup or within just the realm? |
| 05:43.10 | Arrowmaster | realm |
| 05:43.13 | Twisol | Aww. |
| 05:43.27 | Twisol | It would be cool for it to be within the battlegroup. |
| 05:45.22 | Bruners | would not |
| 05:45.28 | Twisol | ? |
| 05:45.42 | Bruners | do you have any idea how much undercuting there would be? |
| 05:45.51 | Twisol | Apparently not |
| 05:46.11 | Bruners | prices on everything would drop to rock bottom |
| 05:46.33 | Jerub | Bruners: that'd be awesome for everyone. |
| 05:46.37 | Twisol | I'm not exactly an economics expert. Care to explain briefly? |
| 05:47.06 | Jerub | currently the small market means that basically anyone can take a few kG and corner the market on widgets, driving the price up. |
| 05:47.34 | Jerub | expanding the size of the market would make the entire system more fluid, and much stabler prices. |
| 05:47.49 | Twisol | That's kind of what I was thinking. |
| 05:47.51 | Bruners | resulting in people vendoring items because it gives more profit |
| 05:47.58 | Jerub | Bruners: okay, that's fine. |
| 05:48.04 | Twisol | I vendor my items anyways. |
| 05:48.05 | Twisol | ^_^; |
| 05:48.17 | Bruners | even today i can buy stuff on the auction house and vendor them for profit |
| 05:48.35 | Jerub | I bought epic flying at level 70 because i was making so much freaking money on the AH. on the order of 4-500g/day, while levelling as fast as i could. |
| 05:49.24 | Bruners | with battlegroup wide auctionhouse you could say good bye to making profit on the auction house |
| 05:49.40 | Jerub | yes, you can say goodbye to making unreasonable profits. |
| 05:49.41 | Jerub | yay. |
| 05:49.42 | Shirik | stabulates cmake |
| 05:49.45 | Shirik | stab stab stab |
| 05:50.03 | Jerub | which is fine by me. |
| 05:51.28 | Bruners | is this where i scream communist ?:P |
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| 05:53.20 | Twisol | actually, it seems like more of a free market (again, though, not an economics expert) |
| 05:53.40 | Twisol | no difference in anything except a lot more stuff at the AH |
| 05:53.56 | Fisker | ahahaha xD |
| 05:54.01 | Fisker | Oculus |
| 05:54.01 | Fisker | Many bosses and creatures have had their total health reduced. |
| 05:54.01 | Fisker | Several bosses and creatures have had cooldowns on specific abilities increased, effect durations reduced, and damage on some of these abilities reduced. |
| 05:54.01 | Fisker | Ring-Lord Conjurers and Sorceresses now hang out in packs of 4 instead of packs of 5. |
| 05:54.01 | Fisker | Vehicle scaling on the drakes based on the riderâs item level has been increased to make them more powerful. |
| 05:54.39 | Bruners | they made it even easyer? |
| 05:54.50 | Fisker | yeah |
| 05:55.18 | Bruners | this game is getting more and more brainless |
| 05:59.34 | Bruners | Divine Intervention: This ability now also removes Exhaustion and Sated from the target |
| 05:59.38 | Bruners | haha |
| 05:59.49 | Esamynn | Bruners: WTF is easyer? |
| 06:00.20 | Bruners | Esamynn: did i hit you with my bad english ? |
| 06:00.41 | Esamynn | go brutalize my language some other place |
| 06:00.52 | Bruners | Esamynn: please help me get better :) |
| 06:01.56 | Bruners | Esamynn: if nobody ever tells me when i'm typing wrong, i will never learn |
| 06:05.31 | Bruners | anyone know the price on the new 24-slot bag ? |
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| 06:08.03 | Bruners | 3000g isn't that bad |
| 06:08.56 | Fisker | they should've made a bagpack upgrade to like 32 or something |
| 06:08.57 | Fisker | for 5k |
| 06:09.00 | Fisker | i would've gotten it |
| 06:09.17 | Bruners | so would i |
| 06:09.38 | Jerub | and no more daily dungeon. you just jump in a random heroic group and the first one of the day gives you 2xEoF, then the rest of them give you 2xEoT |
| 06:09.41 | Jerub | :) |
| 06:09.55 | Bruners | you cant do the daily heroic anymore? |
| 06:10.14 | Bruners | I'm still missing one quest for my Proof of Demise |
| 06:10.26 | Fisker | better get going then |
| 06:10.39 | Fisker | it'll probably be deprecated into a FoS though |
| 06:10.42 | Bruners | haste is missing the same quest |
| 06:11.04 | Fisker | owned |
| 06:11.21 | Bruners | its the King Ymiron one |
| 06:11.35 | Bruners | i have not seen it once |
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| 06:13.27 | Jerub | Bruners: I'm missing ley-guardian and king ymiron |
| 06:13.44 | Bruners | ley guardian is the occulus one? |
| 06:13.44 | Jerub | (got HoL 4 times in a row, and now AN, AN, OK, AN this weekend) |
| 06:13.47 | Jerub | yeah |
| 06:14.10 | Bruners | we have had occulus and old kingdom almost every day the last month |
| 06:18.05 | Arrowmaster | wtb more stable compiz |
| 06:18.25 | Bruners | how your wow performance with compiz? |
| 06:19.05 | Arrowmaster | i dont play wow, but the few times ive opened it up its been fine |
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| 06:28.05 | Torhal | Bruners: My performance with Compiz has been fine lately as well, but I still disable it before playing WoW because I have my LDB display at the bottom of the screen and Compiz makes it inaccessible. |
| 06:28.24 | Torhal | ...like the mouse moves onto the Desktop when it's _almost_ to the bottom of the screen. |
| 06:28.57 | Arrowmaster | i didnt have that issue |
| 06:29.36 | Arrowmaster | i just have X going apeshit, being unresponsive, and using up an entire core |
| 06:30.04 | Torhal | Ick |
| 06:30.32 | Arrowmaster | cant even ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 06:30.51 | Arrowmaster | good thing i can ssh in from another computer still and kill it |
| 06:32.02 | Bruners | Arrowmaster: sounds like my ati card on this computer even without compiz :P |
| 06:33.07 | Bruners | Arrowmaster: what about ctrl-alt-backspace ? |
| 06:33.21 | Arrowmaster | dont have it enabled |
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| 06:43.55 | Bruners | and we are exalted with timbermaws :D |
| 06:45.36 | Jerub | going for The Diplomoat? |
| 06:45.43 | Bruners | got it now |
| 06:46.50 | Jerub | win |
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| 07:09.11 | zenzio | "Ever heard of bloom filters? Sharding? Indexes?" "Don't forget flux capacitors, FTL drives and crossfading splicers." |
| 07:10.20 | zenzio | or another take on it.. |
| 07:10.25 | zenzio | "Ever heard of bloom filters? Sharding? Indexes?" "What does World of Warcraft have to do with it?" |
| 07:10.38 | zenzio | for some reason Slashdot comments help me get started in the morning |
| 07:10.57 | NightHawkTheSane | crossfades zenzio's bloom filters into his flux capacitor. |
| 07:11.08 | zenzio | sparks happily |
| 07:14.23 | Esamynn | ahh... late night on IRC, nothing else quite like it :P |
| 07:14.35 | Jerub | it's 5pm |
| 07:14.50 | zenzio | :) |
| 07:14.51 | Esamynn | it's always late at night somewhere! :P |
| 07:14.55 | Jerub | someone blogged this week about how i'm an idiot and should use lifebloom for all of my OOC procs. |
| 07:15.00 | zenzio | tickles Cairenn playfully |
| 07:15.02 | Jerub | was good to see. |
| 07:15.05 | Cairenn | giggles |
| 07:15.41 | Esamynn | pokes Cairenn |
| 07:15.52 | Cairenn | squeaks |
| 07:16.20 | Esamynn | ooh, lightning |
| 07:18.38 | Esamynn | is glad his electronics are all well buffered |
| 07:18.51 | zenzio | just remember to flush them occasionally |
| 07:20.33 | zenzio | I need to stop making my jokes when everyone's asleep it seems |
| 07:29.13 | Esamynn | zenzio: does it really matter? |
| 07:29.53 | zenzio | I don't want to expend the precious early-morning thought cycles on jokes that no-one will see ;) |
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| 07:54.56 | Shirik | boggles at Cairenn |
| 07:55.02 | Cairenn | Shirik: ? |
| 07:55.09 | Shirik | (02:15:38) * @Cairenn squeaks |
| 07:55.20 | Cairenn | yeah, and? |
| 07:56.02 | zenzio | don't worry Shirik, you'll find out eventually; it's all about hitting the right spot |
| 07:56.10 | Shirik | >< |
| 07:56.13 | Cairenn | ! |
| 07:56.35 | Thunder_Child | zenzio, we dont need a mental image of Shirik squeaking |
| 07:56.49 | zenzio | I'd have to agree |
| 07:57.01 | Shirik | yall suck |
| 07:57.20 | zenzio | it's your own fault for reading something dirty into what I said |
| 07:57.29 | Shirik | I never read anything dirty |
| 07:57.36 | Shirik | you didn't even say it |
| 07:57.39 | Shirik | oh that |
| 07:57.48 | Shirik | yes, well it's your fault for writing it that way |
| 07:57.48 | zenzio | :-p |
| 07:57.58 | zenzio | I like writing things ambiguously |
| 07:58.02 | zenzio | shows who has a dirty mind |
| 07:58.11 | Thunder_Child | raises his hand |
| 07:58.12 | Shirik | I'm not sure that can be termed "ambiguously" |
| 07:58.17 | krka | agreed |
| 07:58.32 | Shirik | "intentionally misleading" maybe |
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| 07:58.52 | zenzio | you may be right, but that'd be a result of English not being my native language; sometimes I just get the wrong words |
| 07:59.09 | Shirik | it's quite simple |
| 07:59.14 | Shirik | ambiguous implies unintentional |
| 07:59.21 | Shirik | misleading implies intentional |
| 08:00.03 | zenzio | ambiguous to me doesn't imply unintentionality, merely something with several possible meanings, none of which take immediate precedence over the alternatives |
| 08:00.23 | zenzio | but I still agree about "intentionally misleading" |
| 08:01.15 | krka | i disagree that ambigious implies unintentional |
| 08:01.30 | Cairenn | enjoys her dirty mind |
| 08:01.32 | Thunder_Child | i have to agree with zen on this one Shirik, ambigous is netural |
| 08:01.40 | Shirik | in any case |
| 08:01.45 | zenzio | enjoys Cairenn's dirty mind too |
| 08:01.48 | Shirik | his statement was definitely intentionally misleading |
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| 08:22.06 | Cairenn | wow - it's amazing how things can jangle the nerves - watching a show, a guy tells another guy that he is going to get him a "tad" ... it's supposed to be "tdy" ! |
| 08:22.52 | krka | riiight |
| 08:22.53 | AbsolutRayne | O_o |
| 08:22.56 | AbsolutRayne | wat |
| 08:23.28 | Cairenn | nothing, just amused me how I picked up on it and how "wrong" it sounded to me |
| 08:24.00 | zenzio | my language must be insufficient here, what's "tdy"? |
| 08:24.08 | Cairenn | temporary duty assignment |
| 08:24.18 | Cairenn | military term |
| 08:24.24 | krka | should be tda then |
| 08:24.38 | zenzio | I see |
| 08:24.43 | Cairenn | no |
| 08:24.48 | Cairenn | TDY |
| 08:24.50 | Cairenn | :p |
| 08:24.58 | zenzio | krka: must be something like UTC |
| 08:25.06 | Thunder_Child | tdy = temporary duty |
| 08:25.39 | krka | tdyb, the extra b is for bbyob |
| 08:25.41 | Cairenn | (tad is actually also used - temporarily assigned duty) |
| 08:25.59 | Cairenn | (but it's not the norm, and just sounds so wrong to me, I'm used to tdy) |
| 08:26.05 | Thunder_Child | that or he was going to get a transient acantholytic dermatosis |
| 08:26.16 | zenzio | :) |
| 08:27.01 | krka | maybe he meant Towed Artillery Digitization or Transboundary Animal Disease |
| 08:27.21 | Thunder_Child | Temporary anal discharge? |
| 08:27.25 | Cairenn | not in the context of the show :p |
| 08:27.55 | Wobin | Cairenn, http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/funny-pictures-cat-before-and-after-thermometer.jpg |
| 08:27.57 | zenzio | I think he meant a totally awesome doll |
| 08:28.09 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 08:28.15 | Cairenn | @wobin's link |
| 08:28.33 | krka | we all know that feeling! |
| 08:28.38 | Wobin | also: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/funny-pictures-kitten-is-innocent.jpg |
| 08:28.46 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 08:29.40 | krka | cats are never innocent! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1379196/Sleeping-cat-suffocates-baby.html |
| 08:30.10 | krka | im in ur faze, steeln ur oxjen |
| 08:32.05 | Wobin | http://www.patrickrothfuss.com/blog/2009/11/cool-doodles-and-name-raffle-news.html |
| 08:32.09 | Wobin | heh, that's pretty cool =) |
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| 08:43.47 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAu74d4fGt0 |
| 08:43.53 | Wobin | totally makes more sense than the original =P |
| 08:45.46 | Shirik | pokes Cairenn |
| 08:45.55 | Cairenn | squeaks |
| 08:47.02 | Shirik | you |
| 08:47.06 | Shirik | why are you not asleep? |
| 08:47.11 | krka | get a room you too! |
| 08:47.11 | mitch0 | also |
| 08:47.20 | mitch0 | belazor didn't ticket his request |
| 08:47.23 | Cairenn | shrugs |
| 08:47.26 | mitch0 | lazy bastards all around |
| 08:47.33 | Shirik | pokes krka |
| 08:49.11 | Shirik | wtf |
| 08:49.20 | Shirik | how did Linkin Park get on my speed metal station |
| 08:49.22 | Torhal | mitch0: Request? |
| 08:49.31 | Torhal | Shirik: You requested angsty-emo? |
| 08:50.18 | mitch0 | torhal: feature request for bazooka |
| 08:50.27 | Kalroth | Shirik prefers Twilight soundtrack |
| 08:50.34 | Torhal | twitches. |
| 08:50.34 | Shirik | I do? |
| 08:50.42 | Shirik | what is Twilight soundtrack? |
| 08:50.51 | mitch0 | told him to ticket it, but he didn't do it (something to do with left/right inset setting separately from left/right spacing) |
| 08:51.19 | zenzio | Shirik: the soundtrack to Twilight |
| 08:51.40 | Torhal | mitch0: [19:18] <Belazor> mitchnull: I wish the spacing thing didn't start from the first plugin on the bar, it looks silly to have blank space to the way left on a bar |
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| 08:51.49 | Shirik | ... |
| 08:51.50 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 08:51.55 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-imsr] by Shirik |
| 08:52.02 | Shirik | I have no idea wtf I hit |
| 08:52.06 | Torhal | Shirik: Linkin Park just infected your IRC client! |
| 08:52.14 | zenzio | lol |
| 08:52.18 | mitch0 | torhal: that was it :) |
| 08:52.50 | Shirik | I think my client just tried to turn on every mode |
| 08:53.17 | Shirik | anyway, seriously, what's Twilight? |
| 08:54.01 | zenzio | some movie about sparkling vampires I think |
| 08:54.27 | Shirik | sparkling vampires |
| 08:54.28 | Torhal | twitches again. |
| 08:54.37 | Shirik | wtf is a sparkling vampire |
| 08:54.38 | Torhal | Shirik: Utter fail. The tween chicks love it. |
| 08:54.46 | Wobin | you really don't want to know =( |
| 08:54.50 | mitch0 | :) |
| 08:54.53 | Wobin | Twilight is an abomination unto man |
| 08:55.00 | Torhal | Shirik: In that "mythos" the vampires don't go into sunlight because they shine like fucking diamonds. |
| 08:55.09 | zenzio | http://roflrazzi.com/2009/06/22/celebrity-pictures-clint-eastwood-sparkling-find/ |
| 08:55.12 | Wobin | They're also creepy as fuck stalkers |
| 08:55.17 | Torhal | Haha |
| 08:55.23 | Shirik | shine like diamonds? o.o |
| 08:55.29 | Torhal | Yes. Utter fail. |
| 08:55.43 | Shirik | but they don't shine in candlelight |
| 08:55.50 | Torhal | Apparently not. |
| 08:56.17 | Torhal | And, get this, they come out during the day in the story because they live in SEATTLE. So it's always TWILIGHT. |
| 08:56.20 | Torhal | vomits blood. |
| 08:56.44 | Shirik | ... huh? |
| 08:56.46 | Wobin | pats Torhal on the back. There there |
| 08:56.51 | Torhal | Shirik: Exactly. |
| 08:56.58 | Wobin | Actually what scare me the most |
| 08:56.58 | Shirik | though I have to admit |
| 08:57.00 | Wobin | are the TwiMoms |
| 08:57.03 | Torhal | Watched the damn movie with the GF. I WTD'd through teh whole thing |
| 08:57.12 | Arrowmaster | how the hell do people find that to be good writing? |
| 08:57.12 | Torhal | s/WTD/WTF/ |
| 08:57.19 | Shirik | in WA you do get days where the sun is up for like 6 hours |
| 08:57.22 | Wobin | these are the mothers who believe that their daughters would be FANTASTIC to have the same relationship as Bella and Edward |
| 08:57.30 | Torhal | ... |
| 08:57.40 | Wobin | indeed |
| 08:57.53 | Wobin | and you haven't even read the books =( |
| 08:57.57 | Wobin | cause dear god |
| 08:58.00 | Wobin | >< |
| 08:58.04 | AbsolutRayne | Civ4 is so addicting -_- |
| 08:58.09 | AbsolutRayne | Its honestly worse than WoW. |
| 08:58.13 | Wobin | it gets worse =( |
| 08:58.14 | zenzio | are the books worse, or did they just butcher them for the movies? |
| 08:58.23 | Wobin | oh god does it get worse |
| 08:58.51 | Torhal | Wobin: Are you nitentionally trying to drive yourself insane? |
| 08:58.58 | Torhal | Fucking typos. |
| 08:59.03 | Wobin | once seen, it cannot be unseen =( |
| 08:59.14 | Torhal | But you actually READ it? Why? |
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| 08:59.25 | Wobin | I admit I didn't read it |
| 08:59.29 | Wobin | I read the first book |
| 08:59.34 | Shirik | Wobin LIES |
| 08:59.35 | Wobin | and then synopsis of the rest |
| 08:59.44 | zenzio | if celebrities are so against having their nude/sex videos on the web... how about not recording it in the first place? |
| 08:59.49 | Wobin | Shirik, I'm not even -that- masochistic |
| 09:00.05 | Shirik | zenzio: They can't do that, then they wouldn't get their money |
| 09:00.05 | Wobin | She holds out for true love til about the third or fourth book |
| 09:00.12 | Wobin | She then has his baby |
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| 09:00.17 | Wobin | which is a vampire baby |
| 09:00.18 | Wobin | and thus. |
| 09:00.21 | Wobin | must be born |
| 09:00.29 | Wobin | by tearing it's way through her spine |
| 09:00.39 | Wobin | so she gets turned to save her life |
| 09:00.56 | Torhal | ... |
| 09:01.00 | zenzio | ... through the spine? |
| 09:01.02 | Torhal | I hate you Wobin. |
| 09:01.08 | Wobin | nods sadly |
| 09:01.12 | Torhal | You just turned me into Fisker. |
| 09:01.17 | Wobin | this is best seller stuff =P |
| 09:02.21 | Wobin | hands Torhal some fish |
| 09:02.27 | Wobin | (and 1000 litres of milk) |
| 09:02.51 | Torhal | you wouldn't be a vampire Wobin |
| 09:02.53 | Shirik | hands Torhal 2000 additional liters (spelled correctly) of milk |
| 09:02.57 | Torhal | rages. |
| 09:02.58 | tekkub | arg.... |
| 09:03.04 | tekkub | user A reports problem with links |
| 09:03.12 | tekkub | user B reports "me too", no links |
| 09:03.17 | tekkub | fix A, ask B for links |
| 09:03.23 | tekkub | B gives links, I fix |
| 09:03.38 | tekkub | user C comes along, "me too too".... NO FUCKING LINK |
| 09:03.51 | Wobin | link? |
| 09:04.08 | tekkub | "It's broke" bug reports |
| 09:04.11 | tekkub | that's all |
| 09:04.27 | zenzio | hehe |
| 09:04.42 | Wobin | Shirik, you wouldn't hand people litres. You'd hand them gallons |
| 09:04.56 | Shirik | oh I would |
| 09:05.02 | Shirik | you know why? |
| 09:05.05 | tekkub | I think Shirik could only manage a few ounces |
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| 09:05.15 | Shirik | Because I am an America. I do not enforce our ways upon others. |
| 09:05.17 | Wobin | maybe if he strains |
| 09:05.18 | tekkub | maybe a shotglass full if it's been a looooong time |
| 09:05.30 | Wobin | Shirik, heavens no =P |
| 09:05.33 | Shirik | You don't see me shoving additional 'u's down your throat |
| 09:05.37 | Shirik | do you? |
| 09:05.43 | Wobin | no American would -ever- think of enforcing their ways upon others =P |
| 09:05.48 | Shirik | :D |
| 09:05.52 | Shirik | glad you agree |
| 09:05.59 | Wobin | I'm afraid not to =( |
| 09:06.05 | Shirik | :P |
| 09:06.06 | tekkub | extra u's can be fun |
| 09:06.18 | tekkub | and it's really hard not to like "bollocks" as a curse |
| 09:06.31 | Shirik | also wtf tekkub |
| 09:06.32 | tekkub | I'm still trying to find a way to get that into my daily rambling |
| 09:06.35 | Shirik | you calling me weak? |
| 09:06.44 | tekkub | it's fucking hard to break the fucking habit |
| 09:06.56 | tekkub | I'm call you... not a tanuki |
| 09:07.05 | tekkub | you're an antinuki |
| 09:07.24 | tekkub | or is that an antanuki? |
| 09:08.00 | Shirik | antinuki o.o |
| 09:08.29 | Shirik | tekkub is jealous that I am not a bear |
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| 09:08.46 | Wobin | no, tekkub is disappointed you're not a bear |
| 09:09.13 | tekkub | he's too small |
| 09:09.30 | tekkub | if he did chub up, at best he'd be uh... |
| 09:09.34 | tekkub | hrm... |
| 09:09.54 | tekkub | spiderpig? |
| 09:10.15 | Shirik | I can be bear rawr |
| 09:10.30 | tekkub | yea that's NOT a turnon |
| 09:10.56 | Wobin | hehe Shirik tries so hard =) |
| 09:10.56 | Shirik | ~x fi en antanuki |
| 09:11.19 | Wobin | no, tanuki as in the japanese raccoon bear thing |
| 09:11.20 | Shirik | ~x fn en antanuki |
| 09:11.24 | Shirik | well yes |
| 09:11.27 | Shirik | but what is antanuki |
| 09:11.31 | Wobin | anti-tanuki |
| 09:11.35 | Wobin | not a tanuki |
| 09:11.36 | Shirik | It's apparently a finnish word though |
| 09:11.40 | tekkub | peanuts! |
| 09:11.46 | tekkub | it is? |
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| 09:12.32 | Shirik | Well it shows up in a lot of finnish pages |
| 09:13.06 | tekkub | http://translate.google.com/translate_t?sl=auto&tl=en&text=sinä+ole+t+oikea+enkeli+tosiaankin+kun+osaat+sanoa+oikealla+hetkellä+lohduttavat+sanat+mut+mä+kaipaan+ohjausta+ja+tukee+mitä+olet+mulle+antanuki+kiitos# |
| 09:13.15 | tekkub | it seems to be the one word gtrans doesn't know |
| 09:13.58 | Wobin | You could ask a finn |
| 09:14.07 | Wobin | but chances are good, they'd have no idea either =) |
| 09:14.09 | Shirik | maybe it's slang or something |
| 09:14.24 | tekkub | for "he who has tiny balls"? |
| 09:14.53 | Shirik | sure |
| 09:17.21 | zenzio | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/11/09/funny-pictures-didnt-do-it-2/ |
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| 09:28.32 | Cruciformer | morning all. Anyone know anything about this battle.net stuff? I figured I'd ask here before I try wait for 10 hours for blizzard support. |
| 09:28.50 | Thunder_Child | please be more vague |
| 09:29.05 | Cruciformer | I was going to give details if anyone said they knew about it. |
| 09:29.14 | Cruciformer | please be more sarcastic :) |
| 09:29.21 | Thunder_Child | thats the point, know about what? |
| 09:29.47 | Thunder_Child | sure i know about battle.net, it's a website |
| 09:29.51 | Cruciformer | Ok here's the question. I had 3 wow accounts. Now it seems this battle.net thing is tied to an email address. I dont have 3 email addresses. |
| 09:30.21 | Cruciformer | when they say "merge" ... can I merge from all 3 previous subscriptions into 1 embattle.net email address based account/ |
| 09:30.23 | Thunder_Child | you can have 3 accounts tied to one email address |
| 09:30.30 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 09:30.55 | Thunder_Child | and when you log on with the email adress you have a little dropdown box to choose which account you want to log in on |
| 09:30.55 | Cruciformer | ok cool. Any idea how that is expressed at login time? |
| 09:31.08 | Thunder_Child | see above? |
| 09:31.41 | Cruciformer | I was wondering how it was expressed visually is all. |
| 09:31.44 | Thunder_Child | granted, thats just what i have been told, but i know for a fact you can tie as many as you want to one email addy |
| 09:32.03 | Thunder_Child | err...visually? |
| 09:32.45 | Cruciformer | yes. When I log into the game it askes for the battle.net email address. Usually after that I get a character selection screen. But now if I have 3 accounts merged, do all the characters get merged into one big list? |
| 09:33.18 | zenzio | http://us.battle.net/faq/index.html |
| 09:33.28 | Cruciformer | and can I have more than 1 haracter from each old account logged in? |
| 09:33.29 | zenzio | "A: After you log in to World of Warcraft using the Battle.net Account, you will be prompted to select which of the merged World of Warcraft accounts you wish to play." |
| 09:33.38 | zenzio | "Players with multiple World of Warcraft accounts are still able to log in and play them simultaneously." |
| 09:33.42 | Cruciformer | thanks zenzio :) |
| 09:34.18 | Cruciformer | that answers both my questions. |
| 09:34.33 | Thunder_Child | heh "You may give away, sell, store, or dispose of your additional Authenticators, as they are no longer needed." |
| 09:35.45 | Thunder_Child | i really should just create a wowaccountname@gmail.com for shits and giggles |
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| 09:52.13 | evad87 | hello everyone |
| 09:55.00 | evad87 | is anyone actually active atm? |
| 09:56.04 | jnwhiteh | a bunch of us are... |
| 09:56.11 | jnwhiteh | but you shouldn't need to ask that. |
| 09:57.12 | evad87 | Well theres the welcome hehe, I am not sure what time zones people are at the keyboard |
| 09:57.31 | jnwhiteh | there is almost always someone here |
| 09:57.52 | evad87 | I am just getting into making my own addons and wondering if I am in the right place |
| 09:57.56 | Wobin | http://www.seattlepi.com/photos/gallery.asp?SubID=458&page=4>itle=Day%20in%20pictures&pubdate=11/5/2009 |
| 09:57.58 | Wobin | that's kinda cool |
| 09:58.29 | evad87 | wow |
| 09:58.38 | evad87 | thats pretty crazy |
| 09:58.43 | evad87 | natural gas did this |
| 09:59.30 | evad87 | so jnwhiteh how long have you been making addons? I'll tell ya lua is actually proving to be a bit uneasy to get use to. It is so different from any other language. |
| 09:59.52 | jnwhiteh | since 2004, and Lua shouldn't be that difficult to get used to |
| 10:00.04 | jnwhiteh | the documentation is fantastic, and it's a very natural way of writing programs |
| 10:00.45 | evad87 | I guess for some it's very natural. |
| 10:01.01 | jnwhiteh | its a very standard dynamic scripting language *shrug* |
| 10:01.02 | evad87 | I'm coming from php so maybe that has something to do with it. |
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| 10:01.11 | Wobin | I found it relatively close to PHP |
| 10:01.15 | jnwhiteh | then the simplicity of Lua is whats confusing you. |
| 10:01.31 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 10:01.35 | jnwhiteh | people tend to overcomplicate everything |
| 10:01.37 | evad87 | omg yes, I feel someone finally understands me lol |
| 10:02.14 | evad87 | anyhow I actually came here looking to find any suggestions on better understanding scope |
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| 10:02.46 | jnwhiteh | lua> do local i = 14; print ("i inside: " .. tostring(i)); end ; print("i outside: " .. tostring(i)) end |
| 10:02.47 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: luabot:1: '<eof>' expected near 'end' |
| 10:02.51 | jnwhiteh | lua> do local i = 14; print ("i inside: " .. tostring(i)); end ; print("i outside: " .. tostring(i)) |
| 10:02.52 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: i inside: 14, i outside: nil |
| 10:02.56 | jnwhiteh | there's scope =) |
| 10:03.00 | Wobin | scope is determined by the containers within which the variables lie |
| 10:03.23 | Wobin | containers being, files, functions and do-ends |
| 10:04.05 | Wobin | and global (natch) |
| 10:04.29 | krka | close to php? what the hell? |
| 10:04.42 | Wobin | eh, they're both scripting languages =P |
| 10:04.43 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 10:05.03 | Wobin | granted, I do find php a lot messier |
| 10:05.06 | jnwhiteh | its like php, if you do it with a knife through your left eye. |
| 10:05.22 | Wobin | it's like a toddler with a bowl of spaghetti bolognaise |
| 10:05.28 | krka | as someone who've studied a lot of programming languages, i wouldn't say lua and php are close at all |
| 10:05.40 | jnwhiteh | krka: they're not, rest assured =) |
| 10:06.07 | Wobin | I'm more speaking from a perspective that hasn't used php in a long time =P |
| 10:07.09 | krka | lua is a programming language, php is a hackjob, not really that similar |
| 10:07.46 | Wobin | brews krka some calming tea. |
| 10:07.55 | Wobin | deep breaths now =P |
| 10:07.57 | A-KO | I don't understand all the hate for php :P |
| 10:08.09 | A-KO | people are all too up on themselves IMO :P just saying..... |
| 10:08.22 | Wobin | I think krka had a traumatic experience with php earlier on in life |
| 10:08.51 | A-KO | I've got a buddy who has hated PHP for years, swore it off, wrote all of his sites in ruby--I told him real life will catch up wit hhim soon enough--it did...he just got a job as a php/sql/css/web developer.... |
| 10:09.00 | krka | everyone who's used php had the same traumatic experience |
| 10:09.17 | A-KO | not really..... |
| 10:09.23 | krka | everyone _sane_ |
| 10:09.53 | A-KO | I don't usually classify the system the problem when I'm not able to figure something out :P |
| 10:10.01 | A-KO | so I don't really have traumatic experiences, more like, learning experiences |
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| 10:10.18 | krka | php has a large library of stuff, that's the only good thing about it |
| 10:10.53 | krka | A-KO: that means learning to workaround all php's shortcomings, bugs, and really weird default behaviour |
| 10:11.02 | evad87 | krka I've sent you a message....anyhow php is great because of it's popularity. It's easy to find support and applications written in. |
| 10:11.14 | krka | most well designed languages simply lack those shortcomings |
| 10:11.26 | A-KO | I haven't really.....seen issues krka? I put shit in, it gives me shit back, if it doesn't give me the right shit back, I probably put the wrong shit in or did the wrong shit to it? |
| 10:11.35 | A-KO | :P |
| 10:11.37 | A-KO | generally sums it up |
| 10:11.42 | evad87 | lol |
| 10:11.52 | jnwhiteh | A-KO: the same can be said for a Turing machine.. that doesn't make it a "good way to program" |
| 10:12.41 | A-KO | jnwhiteh: true, but if it can be done, what's the problem? Lack of time perhaps :P I dunno, I see things a bit differently sometimes :P |
| 10:12.49 | A-KO | if brainfuck were the only way to write XYZ application, I would learn bf to do it |
| 10:12.53 | jnwhiteh | sure |
| 10:12.54 | jnwhiteh | but its not |
| 10:13.01 | jnwhiteh | so instead you compare it against A B and C |
| 10:13.03 | Wobin | tools at hand |
| 10:13.10 | jnwhiteh | and make comparisons about which is better at a given task |
| 10:13.13 | jnwhiteh | hence, this conversation |
| 10:13.15 | Wobin | eg, I'd prefer to use PHP than VB |
| 10:13.30 | Wobin | (script) |
| 10:13.49 | A-KO | I use both....often....lol |
| 10:14.08 | krka | ouch |
| 10:14.14 | Wobin | I've used vbscript out of necessity |
| 10:14.25 | Wobin | but was in the process of converting them to lua scripts =P |
| 10:14.25 | A-KO | eh, they work |
| 10:14.29 | krka | generally you need to learn a couple of good languages to really grasp how crappy VB and php are |
| 10:14.55 | A-KO | I'm not comparing vbscript to something like c# , or php to c#, but they are tools to get a job done, and they work reasonably well for what they're intended for. |
| 10:15.15 | krka | lua, scheme, haskell, c, java are elegant (in their own way) and small languages |
| 10:15.16 | A-KO | I don't see things as "programming languages", or compare OS' to OS'--I see them as tools |
| 10:15.24 | jnwhiteh | they are |
| 10:15.30 | jnwhiteh | but denying they can be compared is folly |
| 10:15.31 | jnwhiteh | they can |
| 10:15.45 | jnwhiteh | how do you think the tools get chosen in the first place? |
| 10:16.00 | jnwhiteh | now why is VB chosen... market penetration.. not because its a nice language to develop on. |
| 10:16.25 | Kalroth | well how did VB get the market penetration to begin with? |
| 10:16.33 | jnwhiteh | Microsoft products |
| 10:16.35 | Kalroth | because it's a simple and easy language |
| 10:16.37 | jnwhiteh | not popularity or easy of use |
| 10:16.38 | jnwhiteh | no, |
| 10:16.39 | jnwhiteh | sorry |
| 10:16.44 | Wobin | market share =P |
| 10:16.46 | Kalroth | yes it's exactly that |
| 10:16.48 | jnwhiteh | market penetration |
| 10:16.55 | jnwhiteh | because it was already installed everywhere |
| 10:17.00 | jnwhiteh | hence Perl's (older) popularity |
| 10:17.03 | jnwhiteh | and now Php's |
| 10:17.14 | Wobin | look at the usage of IE |
| 10:17.16 | Kalroth | So you're saying that noone uses VB? :p |
| 10:17.17 | jnwhiteh | are they good at certain things, absolutely |
| 10:17.19 | A-KO | yes, but one correlation != causuation |
| 10:17.26 | Wobin | it wasn't used by a lot of people because it was -good- |
| 10:17.27 | jnwhiteh | Kalroth: no one is saying that... |
| 10:18.08 | Kalroth | I just know that at my company all the "office" people spend a lot of time in VB, both inside office applications and outside of them, since there's nothing else for their level of programming |
| 10:18.16 | jnwhiteh | that's not true. |
| 10:18.16 | jnwhiteh | at all |
| 10:18.21 | Kalroth | huh? |
| 10:18.27 | jnwhiteh | there are plenty of languages that are as easy as VBScript if not more |
| 10:18.44 | jnwhiteh | so that's not the reason they use it everywhere |
| 10:18.48 | jnwhiteh | They use it because it's there, and they know it, and it does what they want it to |
| 10:19.01 | A-KO | precisely, and the problem is? |
| 10:19.02 | Kalroth | Well duh :p We've been fed basic since DOS 2.0 |
| 10:19.03 | jnwhiteh | that's entirely different. |
| 10:19.12 | jnwhiteh | A-KO: you're denyign they can be compared.. and they can. |
| 10:19.16 | Kalroth | other languages are just that, other languages |
| 10:19.22 | Kalroth | visual basic is .. basic! |
| 10:19.36 | jnwhiteh | hey guys, i think the point is over there tryign to sneak out the door.. you've missed it! |
| 10:19.57 | A-KO | I'm denying that it's fruitless to compare them, since computers and programming languages are ultimately a small part of what is usually a larger picture. :P "If it gets the job done", then that's that--nothing more, nothing less. |
| 10:20.08 | Kalroth | No, you're saying that VB is popular because Microsoft decided to distribute it, which is wrong :p |
| 10:20.14 | Kalroth | (to jnwhiteh!) |
| 10:20.14 | jnwhiteh | Kalroth: read what I said |
| 10:20.18 | jnwhiteh | I never limited it that much |
| 10:20.21 | Kalroth | ((not A-KO)) |
| 10:20.21 | jnwhiteh | so no, sorry. |
| 10:20.29 | jnwhiteh | A-KO: then we just disagree. |
| 10:20.38 | Torhal | LISP! |
| 10:20.38 | Kalroth | [11:16] <jnwhiteh> market penetration |
| 10:20.38 | Kalroth | [11:16] <jnwhiteh> because it was already installed everywhere |
| 10:20.39 | Torhal | hides. |
| 10:20.44 | jnwhiteh | Kalroth: shocking |
| 10:20.45 | jnwhiteh | I expanded |
| 10:20.47 | jnwhiteh | and we had a conversation |
| 10:20.57 | jnwhiteh | continue to take more single lines out of context and conversation to prove a useless point. |
| 10:21.03 | A-KO | VB is popular because it's damn easy and it was in Windows. But the same thing could be said about bash shell scripting, or anything that's included in any default OS that is relatively easy to learn. There is a time and palce for scripting versus compiled languages :P |
| 10:21.17 | jnwhiteh | BUT NOW YOU'RE COMPARING THEM |
| 10:21.17 | Kalroth | You told me to read what you said - if you didn't say that, then what did you say? |
| 10:21.22 | jnwhiteh | I thought they were just tools |
| 10:21.24 | jnwhiteh | Kalroth: I said lots of things |
| 10:21.27 | jnwhiteh | fail. |
| 10:21.31 | jnwhiteh | well we disagree |
| 10:21.33 | Kalroth | so nothing conclusive? :p |
| 10:21.35 | jnwhiteh | I think you can compare languages |
| 10:21.39 | jnwhiteh | you don't. |
| 10:21.40 | jnwhiteh | I think you're wrong |
| 10:21.41 | jnwhiteh | have fun |
| 10:21.47 | jnwhiteh | I'm not going to waste my time anymore |
| 10:21.54 | evad87 | I just realized that jnwhite wrote the book i'm learning from |
| 10:21.59 | evad87 | how stupid am i |
| 10:22.03 | jnwhiteh | not |
| 10:22.05 | jnwhiteh | its only 8 characters |
| 10:22.08 | jnwhiteh | ;-) |
| 10:22.23 | mitch0 | also, VB sucks |
| 10:22.27 | evad87 | i googled wow addon mirc channels and found this |
| 10:22.38 | krka | s/mirc/irc/ |
| 10:22.45 | Kalroth | mIRC* |
| 10:23.34 | A-KO | IRC :P |
| 10:23.38 | A-KO | mIRC is an IRC client |
| 10:23.42 | A-KO | that connects you to IRC servers |
| 10:24.33 | evad87 | lol well lucky me it came up anyhow |
| 10:25.38 | evad87 | only downside that i've come across is i use windows 7 and have tried everything i can to get addon studio to install |
| 10:25.40 | evad87 | and no dice |
| 10:25.55 | jnwhiteh | ignore addon studio, imo |
| 10:26.05 | jnwhiteh | its not worth the trouble, honestly. |
| 10:26.11 | evad87 | your the one who suggested it in the book? |
| 10:26.15 | A-KO | no it's not :P |
| 10:26.18 | jnwhiteh | evad87: not really |
| 10:26.20 | jnwhiteh | there's one chapter about it |
| 10:26.27 | A-KO | evad87: use Notepad++ |
| 10:26.29 | jnwhiteh | there's another 32 that don't talk about it in any way |
| 10:26.36 | jnwhiteh | its just a tool for you to use, if you want to use that sort of thing |
| 10:26.42 | jnwhiteh | btu the book was also written ... 2 years ago? |
| 10:26.48 | A-KO | a visual tool to do the XML portion of things would be very nice :( |
| 10:26.54 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: holy shit, you used to yell at when when i bashed addon studio |
| 10:26.54 | evad87 | it was a bitch to find |
| 10:26.59 | jnwhiteh | with Windows 7, and the stagnant version of Addon Studio |
| 10:27.04 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: because you were bashing it for other reasons |
| 10:27.07 | jnwhiteh | and that was back when it was first out |
| 10:27.12 | evad87 | every b&n and borders didn't have it |
| 10:27.13 | Arrowmaster | i bashed it because it sucked |
| 10:27.15 | jnwhiteh | you were complaining about the way it worked.. not the fact that you can't even install it. |
| 10:27.16 | krka | now i'm bashing addon studio for no raisin! |
| 10:27.18 | evad87 | i had to travel an hour to get it |
| 10:27.30 | Arrowmaster | evad87: should have used amazon |
| 10:27.36 | jnwhiteh | or B&N or Borders online :p |
| 10:27.46 | evad87 | i don't like to wait for books |
| 10:27.51 | Wobin | -$70- |
| 10:28.50 | Kalroth | (is how much Wobin is worth) |
| 10:29.07 | Wobin | http://www.borders.com.au/book/world-of-warcraft-programming-a-guide-and-reference-for-creating-wow-addons/339457/ |
| 10:29.08 | Wobin | =( |
| 10:29.23 | jnwhiteh | Wobin: get someone to ship it to you from the us? |
| 10:29.41 | Wobin | shipping from the US is pretty horrific too =\ |
| 10:29.48 | evad87 | will you be creating a follow up book anytime soon? |
| 10:29.49 | jnwhiteh | yeah =/ |
| 10:29.58 | jnwhiteh | evad87: the second edition should be out sometime next month, in theory |
| 10:30.05 | jnwhiteh | if the editing and printing goes well |
| 10:30.23 | jnwhiteh | right now I'm torn between leavign it at 3.2 or trying to get 3.3 material |
| 10:30.26 | evad87 | just as a buy the first edition |
| 10:30.28 | evad87 | figures lol |
| 10:30.33 | jnwhiteh | the latter is going to be pretty tough, and lots of work =/ |
| 10:31.50 | Kalroth | but the book is going to make you a millionaire |
| 10:31.55 | jnwhiteh | oh yeah |
| 10:31.59 | jnwhiteh | cause I did it for the money |
| 10:32.01 | Kalroth | all you need is 5 minutes on Oprah and voila |
| 10:32.02 | jnwhiteh | which is oh so much =) |
| 10:32.24 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: The proceeds buy your Ramen noodles, right? :) |
| 10:32.31 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 10:32.36 | jnwhiteh | they help pay for the website |
| 10:32.39 | Kalroth | mmm, noodles |
| 10:32.44 | jnwhiteh | and occasional eating out |
| 10:32.51 | jnwhiteh | depends on how many buy the book through my amazon link |
| 10:32.58 | jnwhiteh | since i get like $1.00 of each book that way |
| 10:33.05 | jnwhiteh | when that's happening, that covers the website, which is nice. |
| 10:33.09 | jnwhiteh | i like not having ads |
| 10:33.10 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 10:34.43 | evad87 | 1 dollar per book |
| 10:34.52 | evad87 | thats might cheap of your publisher |
| 10:34.56 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 10:34.59 | jnwhiteh | that's just amazon affiliate fees |
| 10:35.06 | jnwhiteh | the cut I get from the publisher is a bit better |
| 10:35.16 | Wobin | ah, buying through the site |
| 10:35.21 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 10:35.24 | jnwhiteh | amazon affiliate program |
| 10:35.33 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/store |
| 10:35.36 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 10:36.47 | Arrowmaster | omg last nights big bang theory is so fucking hilarious |
| 10:39.10 | A-KO | remind me not to pass out at 7:30pm |
| 10:39.13 | A-KO | I end up waking up at 4am |
| 10:43.13 | Wobin | A-KO, |
| 10:43.26 | Wobin | don't pass out at 7:30pm |
| 10:43.54 | Torhal | Wobin: I can't believe you turned me into Fisker. |
| 10:44.04 | Torhal | twitches. |
| 10:44.05 | Wobin | =( |
| 10:45.34 | A-KO | hmmm |
| 10:46.06 | Wobin | had better get to figuring out some dinner |
| 10:47.27 | A-KO | okay, I know some of you all are European...friend of mine uses commas for decimals ; but it's breaking csv file output and input :P Anyone have a good way around it to still make it compatible? is the only solution to use SI notation? |
| 10:47.40 | A-KO | using periods? |
| 10:48.13 | Wobin | escape the fields? |
| 10:48.15 | Wobin | " "? |
| 10:48.25 | A-KO | ah, good point :P brain not working at 5:45am |
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| 10:50.11 | Sentri | I'm european and I almost never ore commas for decimals :P |
| 10:50.31 | Sentri | ore = use |
| 10:50.48 | evad87 | slumdog millionare great movie imo just saw it |
| 10:52.14 | mitch0 | a-ko: also, change delimiter to ; or <tab> :) |
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| 10:58.36 | krka | locale dependant formats are painful :/ |
| 10:58.49 | A-KO | well, it's just some app used internally at their business |
| 10:58.52 | A-KO | entirely internal |
| 10:59.03 | A-KO | just found their problem :P |
| 10:59.40 | krka | for csv, i'd try to parse both 3.14,2.71, and 3,14;2,71; |
| 10:59.47 | A-KO | I was slightly wrong in the explanation there ; mitch0...apparently the delimiter is ; however the php app is outputting numbers like "0.7" instead of "0,7" ; so their application that they're importing to fails |
| 11:00.09 | A-KO | so I would say, a locale change would fix that |
| 11:00.20 | A-KO | so php outputs the proper notation for them |
| 11:00.39 | A-KO | manually changing the . to a , fixed their import issue :P |
| 11:01.31 | krka | seems like a hack solution to me... but then, you're already working in a hack language |
| 11:01.54 | A-KO | how is changing the locale a hack? |
| 11:02.12 | krka | 12:00:39 <A-KO> manually changing the . to a , fixed their import issue :P |
| 11:02.15 | krka | that's not changing the locale |
| 11:02.27 | A-KO | krka: that was in the outputted file, afterwards, to see if what I said was correct |
| 11:02.38 | A-KO | that wasn't to resolve the situation completely :P Just to see if I was right. |
| 11:02.43 | krka | oh right |
| 11:02.58 | A-KO | the CORRECT solution is to change the locale so the file gets outputted properly |
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| 11:04.17 | krka | the correct solution is to use a locale independent format |
| 11:04.32 | A-KO | I don't think there is one? |
| 11:04.51 | A-KO | and that doesn't fix their application that they're using to import to. |
| 11:04.58 | A-KO | which expects the "proper" notation |
| 11:05.14 | A-KO | which is likely a locale specific setting in there also |
| 11:07.13 | A-KO | in fact, according to the SI standard ; they don't specify...they just say use spaces for every 3 digits, but comma and period are interchangeable |
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| 11:10.21 | tem | Dear Europe, |
| 11:11.04 | tem | You seem to be confused on the purpase of the point and comma in numbers. |
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| 11:11.27 | tem | Please correct your ways because it causes great confusion and annoyance among the rest of us. |
| 11:11.38 | tem | With Consideration, |
| 11:11.42 | tem | The Rest of Us |
| 11:13.27 | Sentri | in exchange, the rest of you can add all scandinavian characters to all standards, thanks |
| 11:13.28 | zenzio | Dear Rest of you. |
| 11:13.29 | zenzio | Go die. |
| 11:14.08 | zenzio | but you are correct, we are confused about the "purpase" |
| 11:14.37 | A-KO | in other news, I much prefer gel deoderants because they don't make my hairs clump together |
| 11:14.43 | A-KO | just throwing that out there :P |
| 11:14.59 | Wobin | try not to put it on your head |
| 11:14.59 | zenzio | as opposed to what kinds of deodorant |
| 11:15.03 | A-KO | solids :P |
| 11:15.05 | zenzio | did I actually make tem go die? |
| 11:15.22 | zenzio | isn't gel a solid? |
| 11:15.47 | tem | zenzio, I am pretty embarassed at the number of typos in my statement above |
| 11:15.55 | tem | I blame the time of day |
| 11:16.25 | zenzio | meh, I do that all day, I just try to talk enough that people don't have time to pick up on it >.< |
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| 11:18.51 | Fisker- | in b4 Blizzard's version of Steam? |
| 11:19.21 | olafski | did we get a patch earlier today or was that just a preload of the next patch? |
| 11:19.46 | Fisker- | http://i34.tinypic.com/2801w8z.jpg |
| 11:19.53 | Fisker- | Was a patch for the launcher |
| 11:24.03 | Fisker- | lets make out olafski |
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| 11:34.41 | Fisker- | what about you jnwhiteh ? |
| 11:35.21 | tlund | am i just blind, or is there no gear thread on EJ for holy paladins? |
| 11:36.23 | mitch0 | they're probably OP without gear |
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| 11:38.52 | tem | tlund, I don't know what class sub-forum you are used to viewing, but some of them are in MUCH better shape than others. |
| 11:39.10 | tlund | tem: ..the paladin one? :) |
| 11:39.39 | zenzio | paladins don't visit forums, they live in their own private bubbles |
| 11:39.48 | tem | I tried to look up a bit of information there for a class other than my own and found myself completely lost in a mass of poorly organized ramblings about the class |
| 11:40.27 | tem | I'm pretty fond of the forums I'm used to where each spec/role has a thread |
| 11:40.35 | tlund | zenzio: the thread for retri is quite good |
| 11:40.36 | tem | + a few threads for general class mechanics |
| 11:40.42 | tlund | zenzio: i learned alot for my offspec there |
| 11:41.02 | Fisker- | i'm pretty awesome mitch0 |
| 11:41.02 | tem | anyway, if I delay sleep much longer I'll see the dawn again |
| 11:41.12 | zenzio | tlund: I was making a paladin joke |
| 11:41.28 | Fisker- | no zenzio |
| 11:41.31 | tem | I would much prefer to get to bed before natural light shines outside my window >.> |
| 11:41.45 | Fisker- | i agree tem|afk |
| 11:41.50 | tlund | zenzio: sorry, im tired, i re-read it and got it the second time :) |
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| 11:56.00 | Fisker- | PProvost my friend |
| 12:02.01 | Wobin | http://notalwaysright.com/tall-is-the-new-small/3094 |
| 12:02.08 | Wobin | this is why starbucks should be nuked |
| 12:07.19 | Fisker- | nukes are now illegal in greenland unless you got permission from the police :( |
| 12:07.55 | Fisker- | why would "Tall" be "small"? :o |
| 12:07.58 | Fisker- | jerks |
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| 12:59.05 | krka | jnwhiteh: lol, southpark episode viewing on your talk? |
| 12:59.10 | krka | good way to kill time :P |
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| 13:19.20 | Fisker | MY RAGE LEVEL IS OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAAAAND |
| 13:19.27 | Fisker | fucking stupid cat |
| 13:25.15 | Kalroth | like cat like owner |
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| 13:27.36 | Fisker | oh yeah Kalroth ? |
| 13:27.56 | Fisker | it was sitting on my keyboard taking swings at my headset |
| 13:27.58 | Fisker | i know it :( |
| 13:28.09 | Fisker | the login field was filled with billions of characters |
| 13:28.13 | Fisker | and my headset was on the floor |
| 13:28.15 | Fisker | broken |
| 13:28.15 | Fisker | :( |
| 13:29.03 | Kalroth | owned |
| 13:29.10 | Kalroth | did you toss the cat? |
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| 13:29.37 | evaddave | slaps evaddave around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:29.56 | Kalroth | hi dave! |
| 13:30.07 | Fisker | toss? |
| 13:30.09 | evaddave | loli see i have 3 icr clients |
| 13:30.11 | Fisker | I wouldn't hurt a cat |
| 13:30.14 | evaddave | i need to close some |
| 13:30.25 | Kalroth | Fisker: you can't hurt it by tossing it, they always land on their paws |
| 13:30.29 | Fisker | but i would kill a policeman, go to the toilet in his helmet, send it to his grieving widow and then steal it again |
| 13:30.33 | Kalroth | Fisker: Just open the window and out it goes |
| 13:30.44 | Fisker | what's a window? |
| 13:30.53 | evad87 | there we go |
| 13:30.59 | evad87 | more manageable |
| 13:31.08 | Fisker | You mean those annoying transparent thingies i have to pull curtains infront of? |
| 13:31.11 | evad87 | so what i miss |
| 13:31.20 | Fisker | yo momma |
| 13:31.28 | evad87 | non sense |
| 13:31.34 | evad87 | i called her this very morning |
| 13:31.38 | evad87 | she is not missed |
| 13:31.43 | evad87 | now continue at once |
| 13:32.23 | evad87 | since when the hell did bert and ernie go clay |
| 13:32.31 | evad87 | they are no longer a puppet |
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| 13:36.32 | zenzio | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 13:36.39 | Lopeppeppy | Morning. |
| 13:36.47 | zenzio | heya! |
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| 13:38.26 | Fisker | stop right there criminal scum |
| 13:39.10 | Fisker | btw i smell SC2 beta |
| 13:39.22 | Fisker | regardless of what those russians say |
| 13:39.23 | Fisker | http://i34.tinypic.com/2801w8z.jpg |
| 13:39.39 | mikma | nom nom |
| 13:39.39 | mikma | 8 days |
| 13:39.42 | evad87 | morning |
| 13:39.56 | krka | w00t, you mentioned my addon in your talk jnwhiteh! |
| 13:40.12 | evad87 | what addon |
| 13:40.34 | krka | autotravel |
| 13:40.40 | evad87 | site? |
| 13:41.07 | Fisker | OptionsTitleSC2 |
| 13:41.07 | Fisker | When patch data for StarCraft II is available: |
| 13:41.40 | krka | non |
| 13:43.47 | Fisker | product |
| 13:43.54 | Fisker | SC2B |
| 13:43.57 | Fisker | y helo thar |
| 13:43.59 | Fisker | wonder what this is |
| 13:44.12 | Fisker | Could it be Splinter Cell 2: Bejeweled? |
| 13:50.32 | Fisker | Mods/Swarm.SC2Mod |
| 13:50.33 | Fisker | lulz |
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| 14:43.59 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/239141904 |
| 14:44.05 | Aelo | is num=num + 1 tbl[num] = v generally more efficient than table.insert? |
| 14:44.13 | Aelo | doesn't really affect my code, but i'm just interested :P |
| 14:44.26 | Adys | no its not |
| 14:44.59 | Aelo | how come? |
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| 14:52.55 | theorbtwo | Aelo: Unless your code is running too slow, and you know it's because of something specific, what is more readable is normally more important then what is faster. |
| 14:53.03 | theorbtwo | Premature optimization is the root of much evil. |
| 14:53.12 | Aelo | lol |
| 14:53.16 | Aelo | :) |
| 14:54.37 | krka | yeah, manually adding elements is likely faster than table.insert |
| 14:54.56 | Aelo | as it doesnt involve a function call? |
| 14:55.17 | theorbtwo | If you are writing a tight, time-sensitive inner loop, then benchmark and find out. |
| 14:55.58 | theorbtwo | If you aren't, do whichever reads better. |
| 14:56.32 | theorbtwo | table.insert may well be faster because it is fewer discrete opcodes, and involves tracking one fewer user-space variable. |
| 14:57.22 | krka | number of opcodes is fairly irrelevent |
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| 14:57.43 | krka | it may differ when running luajit i suppose |
| 14:58.19 | krka | for plain lua, t[#t+1] = v is much faster than table.insert |
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| 15:05.40 | Kalroth | wouldn't it be better to keep #t in a local variable and increment it yourself? for a single function/loop at least |
| 15:05.45 | Kalroth | rather than calling it every time in the loop |
| 15:06.25 | nevcairiel | the value of the # operator should be cached by Lua, iirc |
| 15:07.05 | Kalroth | oh, then it shouldn't matter much |
| 15:08.17 | Kalroth | well I mean instead of doing t[#t+1] once per loop, you do ownvar = #t+1 and then increase ownvar in the loop |
| 15:08.44 | krka | luajit may cache the #-value, but not plain lua |
| 15:08.54 | Kalroth | this should be faster unless #t is updated instantly when doing the insert |
| 15:09.12 | krka | #t is always calculated, not updated |
| 15:09.33 | Kalroth | then I'm pretty sure that using your own counter is faster :p |
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| 15:10.47 | krka | depends on the size of the table i suppose |
| 15:14.32 | Kalroth | krka: how? |
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| 15:15.42 | krka | #t is fast for small tables and slower for large tables |
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| 15:24.52 | Kalroth | krka: well obviously, but shouldn't "var = var + 1" be faster than a table lookup, even if there's only 1 table entry? |
| 15:25.34 | krka | not necessarily |
| 15:25.53 | krka | #t is a quick c-operation, var = var + 1 is interpretered in lua |
| 15:26.09 | krka | possibly though |
| 15:26.16 | Kalroth | that sounds kinda funky :p |
| 15:26.25 | Kalroth | if a simple increment is slower than a function call |
| 15:30.55 | krka | my quick test show that increment is about twice as fast if it's local |
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| 15:31.14 | batrick | increment is one byte code if var is local |
| 15:31.19 | batrick | same with #t |
| 15:31.55 | krka | if var is not local, it's slower |
| 15:32.02 | batrick | #t however is Big_Theta(log(n)) while increment is Big_Theta(1) |
| 15:33.57 | krka | interesting, storing the length inside t (i.e. t.n) is about as fast as using #t |
| 15:34.05 | krka | for reasonable table sizes i suppose |
| 15:34.28 | batrick | I believe lua caches the table length somehow |
| 15:34.39 | krka | really? |
| 15:35.00 | batrick | well it's really simple to do |
| 15:35.08 | batrick | dont have time to check |
| 15:35.50 | krka | i can't see it here atleast: http://www.lua.org/source/5.1/ltable.c.html#luaH_getn |
| 15:35.53 | krka | called from lvm.c |
| 15:35.56 | batrick | anyway, setting an invalid bit for the table's cached length is fairly cheap on superscalar processors |
| 15:36.03 | krka | may be true for luajit |
| 15:36.49 | batrick | ya guess not |
| 15:36.55 | batrick | i'm probably thinking of luajit |
| 15:36.59 | batrick | some discussion on lua-l |
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| 15:38.39 | krka | here's my test fwiw http://lua.pastey.net/128069 |
| 15:46.39 | Fisker | http://www.babelgum.com/4007716/ultrarealistic-modern-warfare-video-game-features-engine-repair-awaiting-orders.html |
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| 16:01.56 | Arrowmaster | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/11/hollywoods-antipiracy-charm-offensive-has-fcc-in-crosshairs.ars |
| 16:02.12 | Arrowmaster | seriously can they even try harder to make basic things sound so sinister? |
| 16:02.42 | Arrowmaster | "And when we get that complete movie, the technology will rearrange all those little pieces into one complete film that is watchable," he explained. |
| 16:02.46 | Arrowmaster | "There's a technology that automatically puts it in the right order??" an amazed Stahl asked. |
| 16:02.49 | Arrowmaster | "Sure does," Malcolm replied. |
| 16:03.57 | Lopeppeppy | There's a book about that... forget who wrote it, maybe Elizabeth Bear? |
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| 16:08.35 | cogwheel | you might be a redneck if your last medical checkup was an alien abduction. |
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| 16:10.01 | DWSR | http://ptr.wowhead.com/?achievement=4496 |
| 16:10.05 | DWSR | fuck. |
| 16:10.06 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 16:10.58 | DWSR | Also, the chain to cleanse Quel'Dalar, is it going to mean we're going back to kill KJ? |
| 16:12.20 | Arrowmaster | hes already dead |
| 16:12.27 | DWSR | right. |
| 16:12.32 | DWSR | What I meant was. |
| 16:12.39 | DWSR | Do we have to fucking clear Sunwell? |
| 16:13.22 | Coren{de} | A regular clear might suffice... (SCNR) |
| 16:14.47 | DWSR | Really sad that they're taking out Drunken Stupor for Brewfest. |
| 16:14.50 | DWSR | It was so easy. |
| 16:15.01 | nevcairiel | Even if you have to (which i don't believe), sunwell is so easy now |
| 16:15.14 | Lopeppeppy | needs her teddy bear very badly. |
| 16:15.29 | Arrowmaster | yeah i know for a fact (was in one of those guilds stuck on muru) |
| 16:15.44 | Arrowmaster | i cried when we killed him |
| 16:15.46 | nevcairiel | we didnt manage to kill pre-3.0 muru |
| 16:15.55 | DWSR | Are the login servers down? |
| 16:16.01 | nevcairiel | 3.0-still-70 sunwell was already easy |
| 16:16.11 | nevcairiel | especially muru |
| 16:16.13 | nevcairiel | such a joke |
| 16:16.50 | Arrowmaster | by cried i mean repeatedly banged my head into my desk until involuntary tears started to flow because i loss all muscle control in my face |
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| 16:17.43 | DWSR | Oh, AWESOME! |
| 16:17.52 | DWSR | they're taking out the one achievement that I need for Brewmaster |
| 16:17.54 | Arrowmaster | "OMG WTF WAS THAT WHY ARE WE DEAD!" to 'wait was that a boss or just a really large trash mob?' |
| 16:17.56 | DWSR | Win |
| 16:18.47 | DWSR | Anyone know why Rawr was updated again |
| 16:18.53 | DWSR | It's been updated like 5 times in 2 weeks |
| 16:19.00 | nevcairiel | kiljaeden was still an interesting fight |
| 16:19.04 | nevcairiel | not really that hard, but fun to play |
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| 16:19.08 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr is an addon? |
| 16:19.15 | nevcairiel | Rawr is a toold |
| 16:19.21 | nevcairiel | -d |
| 16:19.56 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Gear/theorycraft tool. |
| 16:19.56 | Arrowmaster | i did kiljaeden with a felguard |
| 16:20.21 | Lopeppeppy | I guess it's been updated because the author updated it? Ask on the comments page? |
| 16:20.22 | DWSR | It's a sandbox so you can play with changes and see how they affect your DPS/healing/survivability. |
| 16:20.38 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: You wouldn't happen to be an engineer, would you? |
| 16:21.07 | DWSR | ah, bugfixes for crashes related to trolls and dwarves. |
| 16:21.07 | Lopeppeppy | No, I'm just a practical chick. If you want to know why it was updated, go ask the person who does it. |
| 16:21.08 | DWSR | Awesome. |
| 16:21.22 | DWSR | lol I R TROLL *crash*. |
| 16:21.25 | DWSR | Win |
| 16:21.40 | DWSR | Taking "Don't feed the trolls" to the next level xD |
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| 16:22.15 | Druidicbeast | If I was trying to say reposition a chat frame upon loggin in, would I use PLAYER_ENTER_WORLD ? |
| 16:22.46 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: why don't you just read the changelog? |
| 16:22.47 | amro | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 16:22.48 | amro | 0x001966f2 in ?? () |
| 16:22.50 | amro | gee, thanks gdb |
| 16:23.21 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Didn't have a direct link, and I had this window open. |
| 16:23.37 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: uhm... what |
| 16:23.44 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Laziness. |
| 16:23.50 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: either you updated, which means you went to the very website that has the changelog on it |
| 16:23.55 | Gnarfoz | or you didn't |
| 16:23.58 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: I didn't update. |
| 16:24.04 | DWSR | I wanted to know why Rawr was telling me that there was an update. |
| 16:24.09 | Gnarfoz | because there was. |
| 16:24.11 | DWSR | And if it was something I cared about. |
| 16:24.20 | Gnarfoz | of course you care. |
| 16:24.22 | Gnarfoz | >_< |
| 16:24.29 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Actually, I don't care about this particular update. |
| 16:24.38 | DWSR | I'm a lock, it fixes Rawr.hunter. |
| 16:24.43 | DWSR | I have no hunter. |
| 16:24.49 | Gnarfoz | there's not just one change in it. |
| 16:25.29 | DWSR | Yeah, it also fixes Rawr.enhance and Rawr.Rogue. |
| 16:25.44 | DWSR | And I don't have a rogue that uses Deadly Poisons and I have no shaman. |
| 16:25.46 | Gnarfoz | but you seem to have already had your answer before you even asked your question, seeing that you now started to end every sentence with a period (while you didn't before), a clear sign of "I know better, blah blah" |
| 16:26.05 | Gnarfoz | did you consider the possibility that not all changes actually made it into the changelog? |
| 16:26.08 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 16:26.24 | Gnarfoz | and another question: does the "yes, please take me to the website" button actually work for you? |
| 16:26.31 | Gnarfoz | because it sure doesn't for me |
| 16:26.43 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: It doesn't open my proper browser, so no. |
| 16:26.46 | DWSR | s/proper/default/ |
| 16:26.56 | Gnarfoz | well, it doesn't open any browser for me, heh |
| 16:27.17 | DWSR | Additionally, I end my sentences with periods because that's usually...proper Engrish? |
| 16:27.30 | Gnarfoz | yeah, you didn't before - you started when you got defensive :P |
| 16:27.41 | Gnarfoz | just an observation :p |
| 16:27.55 | DWSR | (11:21:21) DWSR: lol I R TROLL *crash*. (11:21:06) DWSR: ah, bugfixes for crashes related to trolls and dwarves.(11:20:22) DWSR: It's a sandbox so you can play with changes and see how they affect your DPS/healing/survivability. |
| 16:28.03 | DWSR | all with periods at the end |
| 16:28.20 | Gnarfoz | you know as well as I do that there's a ton of lines up there where you didn't :P |
| 16:28.24 | DWSR | And that sentence didn't have a period at the end. Now I'm not in defensive stance? |
| 16:28.38 | Gnarfoz | defensive stance? wtf |
| 16:28.40 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: I'm pointing out that A !-> B. |
| 16:28.54 | DWSR | I add teh WoW humurz. |
| 16:28.59 | Gnarfoz | it's an observation, not a fact |
| 16:29.04 | Gnarfoz | (I already said that) |
| 16:29.26 | Lopeppeppy | Trolls don't deserve to breathe. |
| 16:29.37 | Gnarfoz | regarding exactly that: can someone with C# knowledge answer me this: this app is... importing? "System.Windows.Forms" (it's doing "using System.Windows.Forms;") - does that include "System.Windows.Forms.Help", too? |
| 16:29.37 | DWSR | HEY! |
| 16:29.46 | DWSR | I can craft myself an upgrade! |
| 16:29.47 | DWSR | Win. |
| 16:29.55 | DWSR | Now if only my fucking WoW would connect. |
| 16:30.07 | Gnarfoz | fix your network? ^^ |
| 16:30.26 | DWSR | It's maintenance? |
| 16:30.32 | Gnarfoz | move to here? :P |
| 16:30.42 | End | Gnarfoz: using using doesn't change what the "app imports" |
| 16:30.45 | End | so far as I know |
| 16:30.46 | DWSR | Scrubby EU? :P |
| 16:31.00 | Gnarfoz | EU can play right now, *shrug* |
| 16:31.01 | nevcairiel | Gnarfoz: using just short-circuits some things, so you can access the conents of that namespace directly, so you could in theory use "Help.xxx" to access the Help things inside it |
| 16:31.09 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: You're right, your maintenance is tomorrow. :P |
| 16:31.11 | Gnarfoz | End: I have no clue at all about C# ;) |
| 16:31.15 | End | Well |
| 16:31.20 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: yeah, and it's while I'm at work, so I don't really care :D |
| 16:31.38 | End | like nev says, using shortens it |
| 16:31.42 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: well, my guess is the following: |
| 16:31.53 | nevcairiel | using imports the symbols inside the namespace into your file namespace |
| 16:31.54 | End | what controls what your app can see though is what "references" you're building your project with |
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| 16:32.11 | Gnarfoz | it does "using System.Windows.Forms;" but not "using System.Windows.Forms.Help;" - could that mean trouble when it's trying to use Help.ShowHelp()? |
| 16:32.18 | nevcairiel | no |
| 16:32.21 | DWSR | Does anyone here have problems wth Curse's Image View (when you click on an addon screenshot, for example), using Chrome? |
| 16:32.24 | Gnarfoz | there goes that idea |
| 16:32.25 | nevcairiel | thats perfectly valid |
| 16:32.27 | ckknight | Gnarfoz: no, that could work. |
| 16:32.39 | ckknight | since Help.ShowHelp() might translate to System.Windows.Forms.Help.ShowHelp() |
| 16:32.42 | Coren{de} | what's wrong with trolls and breathing? /puzzle |
| 16:32.47 | nevcairiel | You could remove the using completly and just write what ckknight suggested |
| 16:32.54 | Gnarfoz | just curious as to why Rawr doesn't actually launch a web browser when it asks me "there's an update, do you want to go to the website?" and I click yes :D |
| 16:32.57 | nevcairiel | the full package path |
| 16:33.17 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: just guessing, really - I don't have a build environment for, well, anything actually :D |
| 16:33.31 | nevcairiel | it would error on compile if that were an import |
| 16:33.47 | Gnarfoz | hm, *shrug* |
| 16:34.41 | nevcairiel | or rather, a missing import |
| 16:35.05 | Gnarfoz | is there a free version of... I guess it's Visual Studio? that can compile a .csproj (C# project file?) project for me? |
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| 16:35.16 | Gnarfoz | I recall something like... VS.net express edition or something |
| 16:35.16 | nevcairiel | visual studio express |
| 16:36.00 | Gnarfoz | because googling turns up another way to open a default browser window to a certain URL: "System.Diagnostics.Process.Start("http://www.google.com");" |
| 16:36.02 | Gnarfoz | :O |
| 16:36.10 | nevcairiel | http://www.microsoft.com/germany/express/ |
| 16:36.11 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 16:36.17 | Gnarfoz | I could probably save time by just trying to contact one of the Rawr authors :P |
| 16:36.25 | Gnarfoz | ughh Germany ;P |
| 16:36.30 | Gnarfoz | but thanks ;) |
| 16:36.31 | Coren{de} | Is there a way to access the button text object? I want the text to wrap, but failed at convincing it to give me its font object and anchor that... so I slapped another fontstring over it :| |
| 16:36.47 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: I have VS 08 |
| 16:37.03 | nevcairiel | So do i, but thats besides the point, isnt it :D |
| 16:37.06 | DWSR | You want me to recompile Rawr to fix that bug with the update window? |
| 16:37.35 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: if you know how to fix it, sure, give it a try :P |
| 16:37.44 | DWSR | ah. |
| 16:37.48 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 16:37.49 | DWSR | Thought you had a fix and no build environment |
| 16:37.55 | DWSR | would have happily compiled for you |
| 16:37.56 | Gnarfoz | nah, just muddling through |
| 16:37.59 | DWSR | k |
| 16:38.17 | DWSR | Holy shit. |
| 16:38.28 | DWSR | W7's jumplists have touch-recognition |
| 16:38.31 | DWSR | That's fucking epic. |
| 16:39.07 | DWSR | anyone here using W7 with a touch screen?\ |
| 16:39.42 | Gnarfoz | negative |
| 16:40.01 | Gnarfoz | re: Visual Studio... I probably don't want the vs2010 beta? :D |
| 16:40.06 | DWSR | Prolly not. :P |
| 16:40.13 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: I can give you a copy of VS08. |
| 16:40.25 | Gnarfoz | no need, there's vs08 express edition :) |
| 16:40.30 | DWSR | Well, I get it free. |
| 16:40.35 | DWSR | Because I r a studnet. |
| 16:40.36 | DWSR | :P |
| 16:40.39 | Gnarfoz | well, you don't get to give it away, either |
| 16:40.39 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 16:40.53 | DWSR | blah, fuck copyright. Share and share alike. |
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| 16:41.10 | nevcairiel | copyright will fuck you, then :) |
| 16:41.17 | DWSR | pft. |
| 16:42.00 | DWSR | I understand the need for IP in some ways, but I think that there needs to be a better way to do things, because IP can stifle creativity. |
| 16:42.09 | DWSR | s/creativity/innovation/ |
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| 16:43.47 | Hirsute | Any perl wizards around? My perl-fu is getting weak. |
| 16:43.56 | DWSR | Hirsute: Wizard? Probably not. |
| 16:44.00 | DWSR | But shoot, anyway. |
| 16:44.07 | End | If you're not a student, you can still get the "Express" version of VS |
| 16:44.24 | DWSR | End: But I like my 1GB bloatware IDE. :P |
| 16:44.34 | End | it has some of the fiddly bits turned off, and you can't use extensions, but other than that, it works just like normal |
| 16:44.34 | DWSR | I shouldn't say bloatware. |
| 16:44.47 | Hirsute | DWSR: I can't for the life of me remember how to print the actual matched string from a regex, do you remember? |
| 16:44.47 | DWSR | It just seems like 1GB is a bit much for a whole IDE |
| 16:44.58 | DWSR | Hirsute: $1? |
| 16:45.03 | durcyn | disk is cheap, welcome to the 21st century |
| 16:45.13 | DWSR | durcyn: Disk access speeds are still slow. |
| 16:45.19 | Hirsute | DWSR: That only seems to work within the actual regular expression. |
| 16:45.36 | End | it works outside |
| 16:45.37 | End | but |
| 16:45.43 | End | if you want the "whole" matched string |
| 16:45.44 | End | you want $0 |
| 16:45.50 | End | $1 just matches the first capture |
| 16:45.52 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 16:45.55 | End | (IIRC) |
| 16:46.00 | DWSR | You're right. |
| 16:46.19 | evad87 | what a confusing name "End" to see while in programming channels |
| 16:46.20 | Hirsute | I'm trying to do if ($string =~ /somepattern/) {print (whatactually matched)}, hrmmm. maybe I screwed the syntax on it then. I'll try again. |
| 16:46.34 | End | evad87: you have no idea how often I get "pinged" |
| 16:46.42 | End | actually, it's probably pretty obvious how often |
| 16:46.42 | DWSR | End: Case sensitivity FTW. |
| 16:46.44 | evad87 | lol |
| 16:47.10 | DWSR | Hirsute: print $0 if $string =~ /pattern/; |
| 16:47.21 | DWSR | Should work. |
| 16:47.40 | Hirsute | DWSR: Thanks, I'll try it. |
| 16:47.55 | DWSR | Hirsute: Note, that's proper Perl syntax. |
| 16:48.11 | Hirsute | Ah-ha! $& is what I was looking for. |
| 16:48.50 | End | I have no idea what $& does :o |
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| 16:49.04 | End | suddenly I remember using $! though, but what $!, I also have no idea |
| 16:49.24 | DWSR | Hirsute |
| 16:49.33 | Hirsute | $& stores the last matched string from a regex |
| 16:49.34 | End | oh, $! was for errors |
| 16:49.39 | DWSR | /msg buubot eval: Your code. |
| 16:49.44 | DWSR | btw. |
| 16:50.20 | evad87 | so wheres everyone from |
| 16:50.24 | Hirsute | Thanks! |
| 16:50.26 | DWSR | My mom's vagina. |
| 16:50.33 | End | ah, $& is the -entire- string? |
| 16:50.34 | evad87 | shame on you! |
| 16:50.41 | Hirsute | End: Just the mach |
| 16:50.44 | Hirsute | s/match/ |
| 16:50.44 | DWSR | evad87: Aren't you from your mother's vagina? |
| 16:50.49 | Hirsute | >.> |
| 16:50.51 | Hirsute | <.< |
| 16:50.59 | End | it is? I thought that's what $0 was for...hmmm.... |
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| 16:51.08 | Hirsute | End if you're using captures |
| 16:51.08 | DWSR | End: $0 is the arguments list passed to perl. |
| 16:51.13 | DWSR | iirc. |
| 16:51.21 | End | it's been like...5 years since I've written any perl though |
| 16:51.23 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:51.26 | evad87 | well could take it a step futher and say i'm from my dads sack |
| 16:51.26 | End | or read any perl |
| 16:51.27 | evad87 | all in how far you wanna take it |
| 16:51.45 | DWSR | Hirsute: http://perldoc.perl.org/perlvar.html |
| 16:52.16 | Hirsute | For example: $foo = "I am the bomb"; $foo =~ /b\w\wb/; print "$&\n"; will print "bomb" |
| 16:53.25 | DWSR | Hirsute: http://perldoc.perl.org/perlvar.html See $MATCH and the entry immediately preceeding. |
| 16:53.33 | evad87 | so dwsr when your not hanging out in your moms vagina and i were to geographically speaking mail you a letter, what place of location would it say on the envelope |
| 16:53.47 | evad87 | you have to be so specific around programmers yikes |
| 16:53.48 | Hirsute | DWSR: Looking at it right now. |
| 16:54.05 | DWSR | evad87: Scoping hurts when done improperly. |
| 16:54.08 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
| 16:54.16 | evad87 | lmao |
| 16:54.19 | Lunessa | Morning Peppy-dear. |
| 16:54.24 | DWSR | evad87: Ottawa, Canada |
| 16:54.47 | evad87 | I just got done reading the scoping chapter lol |
| 16:54.58 | evad87 | Let me try and restructure |
| 16:54.59 | DWSR | Is Perl6 out yet? |
| 16:55.11 | Lopeppeppy | snuggles up to Lunessa and hides behind him. |
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| 16:56.02 | DWSR | Antiarc: ping |
| 16:56.52 | Hirsute | Thanks for the help all! Looks like my initial syntax was wrong. |
| 16:57.02 | DWSR | Does anyone know if memoserv provides perodic reminders of memos? |
| 16:58.01 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.technerd.net/memoserv.html |
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| 16:59.10 | ArrowmasterClass | hmm i dont have enough money on my school debit card to get out of the parking lot..... |
| 17:00.11 | evad87 | function dwsr(location) |
| 17:00.11 | evad87 | if location =! "vagina" then |
| 17:00.11 | evad87 | print(location .. " is where DWSR is currently located") |
| 17:00.11 | evad87 | else if (type(location) == "nil") then |
| 17:00.11 | evad87 | print("DWSR is currently a bum on the street!") |
| 17:00.11 | evad87 | else error("DWSR DOES NOT EXIST") |
| 17:00.12 | evad87 | end |
| 17:00.13 | evad87 | end |
| 17:00.15 | evad87 | end |
| 17:00.16 | DWSR | Dude. |
| 17:00.17 | evad87 | i think that works out well |
| 17:00.19 | cogwheel | pastey.net |
| 17:00.22 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 17:00.45 | evad87 | my mistake, however that should do the trick |
| 17:00.58 | cogwheel | 2nd line doesn't parse |
| 17:01.10 | evad87 | shoot |
| 17:01.22 | DWSR | evad87: Also, missing either a .toc file for a wow addon or a shebang line. |
| 17:01.37 | cogwheel | it's not even backwards 'cause != isn't the not equals operator in Lua |
| 17:01.45 | cogwheel | :P |
| 17:01.49 | Lunessa | What's this? DWSR is going to be touring with the Vagina Monologues? |
| 17:01.59 | evad87 | lol i forget what it is |
| 17:02.19 | DWSR | Lunessa: (11:50:19) evad87: so wheres everyone from (11:50:25) DWSR: My mom's vagina. |
| 17:02.37 | DWSR | cogwheel: DOUBLE NEGATIVE! :P |
| 17:02.43 | Lunessa | DWSR: Awww man, I thought you ver freakin hatched. |
| 17:02.43 | cogwheel | hehe |
| 17:02.44 | Gnarfoz | well, great |
| 17:02.48 | cogwheel | evad87: ~= |
| 17:02.59 | evad87 | thanks cog |
| 17:03.03 | DWSR | ugh |
| 17:03.08 | Gnarfoz | Microsoft Visual C# 2008 Express Edition - Solution folders are not supported in this version of the application. Solution folder 'Solution Items' will be displayed as unavailable. [OK] |
| 17:03.12 | DWSR | That offends my Perl sensibilities. |
| 17:03.21 | Gnarfoz | so... I guess I'll uninstall this as quickly as I installed it :D |
| 17:03.29 | End | Solution foulders? |
| 17:03.30 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Very very slowly? |
| 17:03.31 | End | r |
| 17:03.33 | End | folders |
| 17:03.48 | cogwheel | omg this is so cathartic (sp?) I've been asked to write a summary of everything that's wrong with our database and other IT infrastructure so I can propose a redesign to the investors =) |
| 17:03.49 | batbot | cogwheel, cathartic is correct. |
| 17:03.58 | Gnarfoz | End: apparently, Rawr has several subfolders with .csproj files in them, which are referenced by the main file |
| 17:04.07 | DWSR | cogwheel: Everything? |
| 17:04.19 | Gnarfoz | getting tons of errors when loading the Rawr.csproj file, saying "needs absolut path information" |
| 17:04.19 | DWSR | cogwheel: Just put up a 1 slide presentation with the word Everything on it. |
| 17:04.28 | End | you mean .csproj inside a .csproj, as it were? |
| 17:04.31 | cogwheel | DWSR: srsly |
| 17:04.40 | Lunessa | You can only do that trick once. |
| 17:04.41 | Gnarfoz | End: probably, yes |
| 17:05.08 | DWSR | cogwheel: Just put "It's just...awful. Like sex with a goat" |
| 17:05.39 | DWSR | Or "It's awful. Just like a moose bite" |
| 17:06.03 | Coren{de} | DWSR, he's doing that for suits, likely, not for people with a sense of humor. |
| 17:06.22 | cogwheel | DWSR: actually, I much prefer detailing in excruciating (literally) detail |
| 17:06.24 | DWSR | Coren{de}: That doesn't mean that I can't poke fun at it. :P |
| 17:06.31 | DWSR | cogwheel: Entertain me plox. |
| 17:08.20 | cogwheel | DWSR: one word: Access |
| 17:08.24 | DWSR | OH GOD |
| 17:08.28 | DWSR | IT CAN'T BE UNSEEN |
| 17:08.29 | DWSR | etc. |
| 17:08.45 | Coren{de} | please don't use Access in a context remotely related to databases... 8) |
| 17:08.57 | Coren{de} | cringes. |
| 17:08.57 | cogwheel | the fact that it's access is one thing... |
| 17:09.04 | ArrowmasterClass | my moms work uses Access, they have to keep a lot of backups because people change stuff they arent supposted to |
| 17:09.29 | DWSR | cogwheel: The best is that purl factoid that's something along the lines of "Access is a database, honestly!" |
| 17:09.48 | cogwheel | the fact that they paid a tech temp agency ~1/2 million /year for two years to have someone make the most awful, tangled mess of VBA and horribly designed... well... everything, is another thing entirely. |
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| 17:10.29 | DWSR | cogwheel: So...the fact that's it's awful isn't awful enough? ;) |
| 17:10.39 | cogwheel | no, because it "works" |
| 17:10.52 | cogwheel | they have to see why it would be worth making the change |
| 17:10.56 | DWSR | cogwheel: if it ain't broke. :P |
| 17:11.00 | Coren{de} | mixing database with application logic, that sounds really like noone ever wanted to use that more than 3 months at first... |
| 17:11.16 | cogwheel | Coren{de}: "mixing" is generous |
| 17:11.40 | cogwheel | there are queries that use custom access functions in the criteria, meaning it has to pull 15k rows just to find a single order, for example |
| 17:11.52 | cogwheel | s/access/vba/ |
| 17:12.10 | cogwheel | s/order/customer/ |
| 17:12.19 | cogwheel | meh you get the idea |
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| 17:13.02 | cogwheel | and the UI has like 5 layers of tabs which have to load every single piece of data before anything will function. 5 minutes just to start the damn thing up in the morning... |
| 17:13.29 | Coren{de} | jeez |
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| 17:13.53 | Lunessa | So basically someone's comp sci project or community college then... |
| 17:13.59 | cogwheel | Everything is editable by default. We have people with customer codes like "I don't kn" because someone started typing before realizing they were in the Code field |
| 17:14.11 | DWSR | cogwheel: Wow. |
| 17:14.13 | DWSR | Fail. |
| 17:14.20 | Coren{de} | Mmh, that's at least kind of funny :D |
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| 17:14.34 | cogwheel | 25 orders disappeared once with no explanation. The only reason we noticed was the bookkeeper found a month out of balance that was in balance months ago |
| 17:14.49 | ArrowmasterClass | wtf i just noticed this book is completely fucking wrong and so is the test |
| 17:15.02 | cogwheel | We can't even LOOK at order details while someone is entering orders, let alone help them... |
| 17:15.04 | Lunessa | GAH. Didn't whoever wrote that understand data types, and granularity? Good lord. I teach that for setting up data sources for fucking mail merge. |
| 17:15.09 | ArrowmasterClass | RAID does NOT stand for Redundant Array of Independent Disks! |
| 17:15.23 | cogwheel | The interface is designed like something from DOS days, with as much information crammed in as horrible a layout as possible |
| 17:15.45 | cogwheel | Want to look up an order by invoice number? Have fun with your 100k item dropdown |
| 17:15.59 | nevcairiel | ArrowmasterClass: actually it does, well initially it was inexpensive disks, but they changed it :P |
| 17:16.02 | Lunessa | *cries* |
| 17:16.14 | Coren{de} | maybe you could sell it to the investors by telling them to make a book out of it: data managemant, how not to do it ;) |
| 17:16.17 | cogwheel | Oops... was that an error while running a query? Better reboot the entire application |
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| 17:16.28 | ArrowmasterClass | nevcairiel: i call bullshit |
| 17:16.42 | ArrowmasterClass | and raid4/5 do not have checksum verification! |
| 17:16.42 | Lopeppeppy | locks up all the sheeples. |
| 17:16.49 | ArrowmasterClass | they have parity verification |
| 17:16.52 | ArrowmasterClass | NOT THE SAME THING! |
| 17:17.18 | nevcairiel | ..The RAID Advisory Board has since substituted the term Inexpensive with Independent... |
| 17:17.22 | cogwheel | Most of their data analysis revolves around the semi-annual releases. Of course, the orders don't have any notion of what release they're part of |
| 17:17.22 | ArrowmasterClass | notice that im only reading the book for the first time DURING the test....... |
| 17:18.05 | cogwheel | Of course, the data itself is stored on the machine of the person who has to do the most work with it. Otherwise the performance would be atrocious for her. |
| 17:18.26 | Coren{de} | Arrow, parity *is* a kind of checksum, no matter how lousy :p |
| 17:18.27 | nevcairiel | well you could say that the parity bit is a checksum of sorts |
| 17:18.34 | cogwheel | Windows update for that machine? Everyone out of the pool! |
| 17:18.35 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 17:18.46 | cogwheel | DWSR: entertained? |
| 17:18.49 | cogwheel | =) |
| 17:18.52 | DWSR | cogwheel: Yes, immensely. :) |
| 17:18.53 | DWSR | Continue. |
| 17:19.15 | cogwheel | http://blog.cogwheel.info/2009/08/exceptional-logic.html |
| 17:19.16 | Coren{de} | cog, how can they do backups? do they just shutdown for three days or ...? 8) |
| 17:19.46 | cogwheel | Coren{de}: I have a backup server pulling copies of the MDB every hour throughout the work day and then nightly for more persistent backups |
| 17:20.07 | cogwheel | but yeah... |
| 17:20.45 | DWSR | cogwheel: What sized business? |
| 17:20.49 | DWSR | Small, I'm assuming?\ |
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| 17:20.58 | cogwheel | DWSR: small office, big $ |
| 17:21.04 | DWSR | cogwheel: SAN? |
| 17:21.28 | Lunessa | First beef with my new iPhone - battery life is pretty damned low. |
| 17:21.39 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/11/13-natures-disgusting-parasites/ |
| 17:21.46 | durcyn | Lunessa: only if you actually, you know, use it. |
| 17:21.56 | DWSR | Lunessa: You mean since you turned it on, right? |
| 17:21.57 | cogwheel | DWSR: suggestion or question? |
| 17:22.02 | DWSR | cogwheel: Question |
| 17:22.04 | Lunessa | durcyn: I left it un-plugged over night |
| 17:22.11 | cogwheel | nothing so sophisticated... mapped network drives 4tl |
| 17:22.13 | durcyn | that was your first mistake |
| 17:22.32 | Lunessa | The battery was dead this morning. It was off the charger from 11pm to 9am |
| 17:22.33 | DWSR | cogwheel: Put that in your new network infrastructure. |
| 17:22.57 | Fisker | youtube is the cancer killing itself |
| 17:23.00 | Fisker | full |
| 17:23.07 | Fisker | rawr |
| 17:23.16 | Fisker | Just saw like a 30-second ad :( |
| 17:23.37 | DWSR | cogwheel: So bascially you're saying that.... |
| 17:23.39 | DWSR | cogwheel: Oh my god. |
| 17:24.04 | cogwheel | DWSR: really we just need to move to a real DBMS and a better interface |
| 17:24.07 | DWSR | cogwheel: You're pulling backups from mapped network drives during the business day? |
| 17:24.15 | cogwheel | :'( |
| 17:24.18 | Coren{de} | I'd rather start the network with a properly dimensioned database server, talked to in SQL over TCP |
| 17:24.23 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, that shouldn't happen. I know the bf doesn't charge his every night.... |
| 17:24.31 | Lopeppeppy | He's gone for 3 days without charging it. |
| 17:24.44 | DWSR | cogwheel: If you're using a proper DBMS it probably mitigates the need for that, but still.\ |
| 17:24.54 | DWSR | cogwheel: if you're proposing a new infrastructure, why not be forward thinking? |
| 17:24.59 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I have too many things in default config - probably wasting battery on useless bluetooth searches, etc. |
| 17:25.52 | cogwheel | my phones all die during the course of my work day because we're right at the cusp of having signal. |
| 17:26.12 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, that would be my guess, and/or Cog's point. |
| 17:26.32 | AbsolutRayne | Its so wierd having two alarm clocks, and the one that works is a living, breathing furry alarm clock. |
| 17:26.43 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Strong signal at home and work. |
| 17:27.16 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne: Dog? |
| 17:27.22 | Lopeppeppy | Cat! |
| 17:27.29 | AbsolutRayne | DWSR: Cat, that walks all over the wife and I |
| 17:27.40 | DWSR | And that's why I don't have a cat, and instead have a dog. |
| 17:27.41 | AbsolutRayne | Purrs in my face, bites my nose, chin and ears til I wake up. |
| 17:28.09 | Lopeppeppy | Dude, that cat would be slippers. Maybe that's why I have a cat-free bedroom. |
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| 17:28.35 | AbsolutRayne | He doesnt bite hard |
| 17:28.39 | AbsolutRayne | Just a little nibble |
| 17:29.05 | Lopeppeppy | Doesnt' matter. He's being dominant, and making you do what he wants. I'm the biggest cat in my house, avoids all sorts of issues. |
| 17:29.21 | AbsolutRayne | shrugs |
| 17:29.29 | AbsolutRayne | I dont mind it, gets me up at normal times |
| 17:29.37 | Lopeppeppy | Your cat is very lucky. :) |
| 17:29.40 | AbsolutRayne | save today, since I was up until 3 last night playing Civ4 |
| 17:29.42 | AbsolutRayne | @_@ |
| 17:29.50 | Lopeppeppy | Silly monkey |
| 17:30.16 | DWSR | lol |
| 17:30.21 | DWSR | First thing we taught my dog. |
| 17:30.30 | DWSR | "I'm the alpha". |
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| 17:31.37 | AbsolutRayne | He hasnt really been the same since the cat we had before went nuts and attacked my wife |
| 17:31.48 | Lunessa | AbsolutRayne: I forgive all your sins - because you too are a Civ 4 junkie. |
| 17:31.57 | AbsolutRayne | So honestly, I dont really like get upset with him. Hes still a fat, fixed loveable male. |
| 17:32.18 | AbsolutRayne | Lunessa: I have sinned, because I play the English alot, and dominate midgame with Redcoats. :( |
| 17:32.38 | Lunessa | Hah. I pwn with the Japanese. |
| 17:33.01 | AbsolutRayne | Recoats just arent right. |
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| 17:33.39 | AbsolutRayne | If you get them at the right time, and thats usually when your AI enemies are running base Musketmen / Knights, you just dominate cities in the blink of an eye. :/ |
| 17:34.16 | AbsolutRayne | 14 Str and +25% for Mounted and Gunpower is just wrong |
| 17:34.35 | Bruners | "Antiarc will get rogues nerfed" haha |
| 17:34.45 | AbsolutRayne | Bruners: I know, isnt that such a joke? |
| 17:35.03 | AbsolutRayne | Thats like saying BadKitty got Ferals nerfed. |
| 17:36.02 | AbsolutRayne | Damnit, I need to get a good Combat Shot of this UI before I upload it. :/ |
| 17:36.19 | AbsolutRayne | One without tons of Error text of me furiously trying to kill a Healer in AB. |
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| 17:37.07 | Lunessa | AbsolutRayne: Damn. I usually skip the English from residual prejudice. But I may have to try that. |
| 17:37.37 | DWSR | Is Civ4 =~ AoE? |
| 17:37.47 | DWSR | err. |
| 17:37.50 | DWSR | == ~AoE* |
| 17:37.51 | DWSR | Whatever. |
| 17:38.02 | AbsolutRayne | Lunessa: They have a really crappy early game, since they have no base culture spread. And I usually dont like piicking up Religion Techs until im at Iron Working. |
| 17:38.32 | AbsolutRayne | Mostly because of those pesky Barbarians |
| 17:38.53 | Lunessa | AbsolutRayne: Me too. Iron Working early is key, but I try to at least get up to building temples and writing early. |
| 17:39.15 | AbsolutRayne | Lunessa: I rush Drama / Music, then go to Gunpowder |
| 17:39.30 | NightHawkTheSane | i hate you both. i have this urge to play civ now. |
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| 17:39.55 | AbsolutRayne | I think Cultural Takeovers in that game are so insanely fun. |
| 17:40.08 | AbsolutRayne | Ill wait for an AI to build a city near my borders, then Great Artist it to my side. :P |
| 17:41.05 | Lunessa | Cultural victory is very difficult. If you get a slow start or get attacked early it can be the hardest one to achieve. |
| 17:41.22 | AbsolutRayne | Space Race is worse |
| 17:41.36 | Lunessa | That one comes down to the wire every time. |
| 17:41.44 | ArrowmasterClass | so i cant put money on my college debit account because it keeps rejecting them because they dont pass the credit card companys fraud detection, and ive tried two different cards |
| 17:41.47 | Lunessa | Og and Civ is coming to FB next year. |
| 17:41.55 | ArrowmasterClass | yet i need money on my card to get out of the parking lot |
| 17:42.18 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: Call Customer Service for the card. |
| 17:42.24 | Lopeppeppy | Spore is on FB, I can't really figure out why it's supposed to be fun. |
| 17:42.25 | AbsolutRayne | Timed can be really lame, too. Ive had AIs that im crushing in timed declare war in the last 50 turns, then make the warring state they were against their Vassal, and their scorelike doubles. |
| 17:42.29 | Lunessa | Tell them what's what, and they'll help you out. |
| 17:42.31 | AbsolutRayne | Makes me rage so hard when it happens. |
| 17:42.33 | ArrowmasterClass | i already know its the college stuff thats broken |
| 17:42.39 | ArrowmasterClass | didnt even ask me for a cvv |
| 17:42.55 | Lunessa | Swing by the cashier's office then? |
| 17:43.20 | ArrowmasterClass | yeah i will, except we have little atm style terminals to put money on our cards |
| 17:44.02 | ArrowmasterClass | but im in a hurry today |
| 17:44.02 | Lunessa | You going to Georgia Tech? |
| 17:44.18 | ArrowmasterClass | after this class i have to leave and goto the store to pickup my preorder, then i have to come back and meet a group for a project |
| 17:44.19 | ArrowmasterClass | no |
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| 17:51.42 | Coren{de} | I'd like to know if the mini-patch they broke in tonight is also hurting Macs... the "feature" of the PTR launcher making the WoW directory unreadable (under Linux/wine) was moved to live and Macs are close enough to Unix to suffer as well |
| 17:52.15 | Kanalgandhi | Blizzard don't like MACs. |
| 17:52.17 | Kanalgandhi | Live with it. |
| 17:52.18 | Kanalgandhi | :D |
| 17:52.23 | DWSR | Coren{de}: Mac is Unix. |
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| 17:52.25 | DWSR | Next? |
| 17:52.33 | Lunessa | Ahem: http://www.tedstake.com/2009/11/10/firefox-is-5-years-old-this-week-thank-you-aol/ *proud* |
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| 17:53.35 | Coren{de} | DWSR, I thought Mac was just incompatible enough to not let anything outside Apple's definition of software run... :> |
| 17:53.36 | nevcairiel | Coren{de}: the mac launcher is a different application, i doubt it affects them |
| 17:53.52 | DWSR | Coren{de}: MacOS is certified Unix. |
| 17:53.56 | DWSR | Coren{de}: Don't ask me. |
| 17:54.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Coren{de}: there WAS a slight issue with macs where it wouldn't properly download the update, but nothing like making the wow dir unreadable |
| 17:54.40 | DWSR | NHTS: That was all launchers, iirc. |
| 17:54.58 | DWSR | btw, I thought that blizzard was against RMT? |
| 17:55.06 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: not having a pc, and not perusing the non-mac-tech support forum, i wasn't sure :) |
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| 17:55.54 | Coren{de} | NHTS, the launcher does that on linux/wine, dir gets chmodded u-rwx |
| 17:56.08 | DWSR | Coren{de}: LOL why? |
| 17:56.13 | nevcairiel | I wonder how it manages to do that |
| 17:56.21 | NightHawkTheSane | thats curious |
| 17:56.28 | nevcairiel | i noticed it myself |
| 17:56.33 | nevcairiel | but shrug, just dont run the launcher |
| 17:56.36 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 17:58.18 | Coren{de} | nev, I try to avoid it :) for patching, the launcher is unfortunately working a lot better (wow.exe downloads the patch*.exe, but fails to start it every time) |
| 17:58.50 | DWSR | Does blizzard not like Wine or something? |
| 17:59.45 | durcyn | blizzard is wholly ignorant of wine, more likely |
| 17:59.56 | Coren{de} | it's likely not intentional, just a shortsight of someone too ms-windowsy minded |
| 18:00.06 | cogwheel | durcyn: i'd bet my house against that ... |
| 18:00.13 | ArrowmasterClass | they once banned all wine users, but then they unbanned them and i thought they worked with wine to make sure it didnt happen again |
| 18:00.37 | cogwheel | ArrowmasterClass: afaik it was limited to Cedega users, but yeah |
| 18:00.48 | ArrowmasterClass | oh yeah it was cedega |
| 18:00.52 | ArrowmasterClass | which is almost wine |
| 18:00.59 | cogwheel | *nod* |
| 18:01.14 | ArrowmasterClass | does cedega even exist still? |
| 18:01.15 | cogwheel | Wine with benefits |
| 18:01.17 | cogwheel | :P |
| 18:01.50 | cogwheel | ArrowmasterClass: yeah, i still get periodic e-mails from them |
| 18:02.01 | DWSR | I was about to say |
| 18:02.10 | DWSR | If Blizzard hated wine, then just drop OpenGL...oh wait... ;) |
| 18:02.16 | cogwheel | i subscribed a while back before mainline wine was good enough for the games I played at the time |
| 18:02.21 | nevcairiel | i wonder how cedega performs in comparison to wine these days |
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| 18:02.54 | DWSR | wishes WoW's graphics engine would be overhauled for Cataclysm. |
| 18:03.12 | ArrowmasterClass | wish more games supported opengl like blizz games do, would make getting them working in wine a lot easier |
| 18:03.16 | alestane | Anyone see any documentation on what that patch was last night? |
| 18:03.21 | nevcairiel | We've been over that, no game just overhauls their complete engine, its too mcuh work :P |
| 18:03.23 | DWSR | alestane: Tools update. |
| 18:03.28 | cogwheel | DWSR: you're getting the increased poly count in the old world you've been asking for... don't hold your breath imo :P |
| 18:03.34 | Lopeppeppy | huggles alestane and hides behind him. |
| 18:03.35 | DWSR | cogwheel: Indeed. >.<\ |
| 18:03.43 | DWSR | Is the WoW engine just inefficient? |
| 18:03.51 | alestane | You can hide as long as I know what you're hiding from. |
| 18:03.51 | DWSR | Because it seems like it just noms on CPU. |
| 18:04.02 | cogwheel | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.08 | theorbtwo | Strange. Uses very little CPU for me. |
| 18:04.10 | cogwheel | dynamic shadows eat the most CPU |
| 18:04.12 | AbsolutRayne | I guess I can upload the UI without a Combat Shot, and just get one later :( |
| 18:04.20 | AbsolutRayne | Ohwell |
| 18:04.23 | alestane | DWSR: It avoids relying on advanced hardware acceleration, is what I hear, so it does some things in software that could be better done in hardware. |
| 18:04.34 | DWSR | alestane: That would make sense. |
| 18:04.41 | DWSR | alestane: Would be nice if it started to support those things. |
| 18:04.50 | DWSR | Graceful degradation perhaps? |
| 18:04.58 | nevcairiel | Wait for the new games =p |
| 18:05.14 | Hirsute | alestane: It was a "tools" patch. But I haven't see Blizz be any more specific about it. |
| 18:05.19 | Lopeppeppy | TKFT stuffs. |
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| 18:05.39 | DWSR | Hirsute: Probably means that it's a patch for the Battle.net conversion and also that upgrades Warden |
| 18:05.43 | cogwheel | ~hug Lopeppeppy |
| 18:05.43 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Lopeppeppy and suddenly hugs Lopeppeppy tightly |
| 18:05.53 | nevcairiel | They can update warden without a patch |
| 18:06.04 | Lopeppeppy | ~hug cogwheel |
| 18:06.05 | purl | ACTION hugs cogwheel tightly until cogwheel turns slightly blue |
| 18:06.51 | Hirsute | DWSR: Wouldn't surprise me, it touched more than just the launcher, which I believe is why so many people have been having issues on Win Vista/7 after the patch with actually logging in. It changed the ownership of a number of files on my system, including WoW.exe. |
| 18:06.51 | DWSR | Anyone know where to get a fishing bot, btw? |
| 18:06.52 | Ancu | waves exaguratedly at Lopeppeppy |
| 18:06.56 | Lunessa | huggles the Peppy. |
| 18:06.59 | Hirsute | Fishing bot? |
| 18:07.06 | DWSR | Hirsute: It worked fine on XP users, I heard. |
| 18:07.09 | Ancu | checks Lopeppeppy rep |
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| 18:07.15 | DWSR | Hirsute: Yes, bot that just fishes for you |
| 18:07.20 | nevcairiel | Anyway, we've been over that, they are not going to overhaul the complete engine of WoW, its too much work with no real advantage for them. The engien developers are more likely to be working on their new MMO |
| 18:07.23 | cogwheel | Hirsute: ah that would explain why it seemed to be touched but had the same modified date |
| 18:07.33 | DWSR | Need to farm some fish feasts for my gbank, I'm thinking on the order of about 1k. |
| 18:07.38 | Lunessa | I had to run the launcher as admin and reset the attributes on all my WOW folders to get the patch to apply. |
| 18:08.01 | Hirsute | DWSR: Wouldn't surprise me, XP doesn't have the same security models that result in patching problems. And you'd be hardpressed to get anyone in here to announce the location of any sort of bot, being against the ToS and all. |
| 18:08.15 | Lunessa | (Win 7 64bit with WoW on D:\Games\World of Warcraft) |
| 18:08.32 | DWSR | I haven't tried updating WoW on this laptop yet. |
| 18:08.33 | DWSR | Should do that. |
| 18:08.47 | Hirsute | Lunessa: Aye, me too. With the added bonus of getting the "Could not verify your version of World of Warcraft" error that went away after I did a recursive takeown on my WoW folder. |
| 18:09.06 | Lunessa | Hirsute: I didn't have that problem. |
| 18:09.17 | DWSR | So: Pet Store. WTF? |
| 18:09.34 | Ancu | lunessa: thats why they had you move it to a public location when wrath released. You should have listened to them |
| 18:09.56 | Hirsute | Lunessa: I think with me it was because I had to run the Launcher as an administrator first, because some of the registry settings were borked. |
| 18:10.10 | Hirsute | Ancu: I've never had it installed in a nonpublic location, it didn't avoid the problem. |
| 18:10.28 | Ancu | DWSR: LOL |
| 18:10.38 | Lunessa | Ancu: I wrote the book on that shit. |
| 18:10.54 | Hirsute | Have you seen the Lil' KT vs. Mr. Bigglesworth video on YouTube? |
| 18:11.09 | Lunessa | points to the Windows Vista sticky in the UI & Macros forum. |
| 18:11.10 | DWSR | No, why? |
| 18:11.28 | Hirsute | It's awesome. I love seeing Lil' KT take on KTs kitty. |
| 18:11.40 | DWSR | I bought both pets. |
| 18:11.41 | DWSR | But still. |
| 18:11.42 | DWSR | wtf. |
| 18:11.52 | Ancu | hirsute and lunessa: if its in a public location then it shouldnt be giving you a problem. |
| 18:12.26 | Lunessa | Ancu: Seriously... It did anyway. It has to do with how the background downloader stashes patch files. |
| 18:13.09 | Hirsute | Ancu: And yet it is. |
| 18:13.31 | DWSR | LOL. Why is the Starcraft Battle Chest $20 cheaper on the Blizzard Store? |
| 18:13.38 | DWSR | (than the Diablo or WC chests). |
| 18:13.42 | Lopeppeppy | PITA is a PITA. *gentle shrug* |
| 18:14.01 | AnduinLothar | to encourage peopleto buy it before SC2? |
| 18:14.06 | theorbtwo | Because they are ... exactly. |
| 18:14.16 | DWSR | lol |
| 18:14.24 | DWSR | SC2. because that's ever coming out. Can you same Duke Nukem Forever? |
| 18:14.25 | AbsolutRayne | Go go Upload! D: |
| 18:14.28 | theorbtwo | People who just recently bought the SC collection *will* by SC2. |
| 18:14.28 | DWSR | s/same/say/ |
| 18:14.51 | theorbtwo | DWSR: Eh, it'll come out before Cataclysm, I bet. |
| 18:15.03 | DWSR | Cata's slated for Q4 2010? |
| 18:15.16 | AbsolutRayne | Im honestly thinking that SC2 will be out before Feb next year. |
| 18:15.20 | AnduinLothar | SC2 should be out Q1 |
| 18:15.28 | AbsolutRayne | Engine wise, it looks really pretty. |
| 18:15.35 | DWSR | didn't they just announce a delay? |
| 18:15.36 | DWSR | for SC2. |
| 18:15.39 | AbsolutRayne | And the gameplay seems somewhat balanced compared to SC1 |
| 18:15.44 | AbsolutRayne | I dont think so. O_o |
| 18:15.47 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 do you REALLY think blizz would ever pull a DNF? |
| 18:16.00 | NightHawkTheSane | they'd openely kill sc2 before that happened. |
| 18:16.01 | AnduinLothar | SC2 is done, it's just being pollished while Battle.net is finished |
| 18:16.07 | cogwheel | wonders what blizzcon 08's beta key will be for |
| 18:16.20 | DWSR | NHTS: Look at SC2's history. It was going to be SC:Ghost. |
| 18:16.22 | AbsolutRayne | Now Diablo 3, on the other hand... |
| 18:16.23 | DWSR | That got changed. |
| 18:16.53 | Fisker | btw |
| 18:16.59 | theorbtwo | I wonder if WoW will get all the funky battle.net stuff they promised before Cata. |
| 18:17.05 | cogwheel | DWSR: i thought SC:Ghost was entirely separate (save for the cannon) |
| 18:17.06 | Fisker | The launcher for WoW that got updated today had SC2 stuff in it |
| 18:17.06 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: eh, is there any direct proof that sc2 actually as going to be ghost, or is this just speculation? cause i think ghost was just killed. |
| 18:17.13 | AbsolutRayne | cogwheel: It was |
| 18:17.27 | AbsolutRayne | SC:Ghost was a 3rd / 1st Person FPS |
| 18:17.27 | NightHawkTheSane | they may have used some of the same team, technology, and resources from it for sc2.. but the latter is an entirely new project |
| 18:17.34 | cogwheel | s/nn/n |
| 18:17.52 | AnduinLothar | ghost was killed. afaik is was actually mostly contracted to an outside company |
| 18:18.04 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ this was my understanding |
| 18:18.04 | theorbtwo | It wouldn't be the fist time they took cannon from one game, and made it into a completely different style. |
| 18:18.17 | DWSR | I was kinda hoping for World of Starcraft, tbh. |
| 18:18.22 | theorbtwo | Warcraft -> World of Warcraft seems to have worked pretty well for them. |
| 18:18.30 | theorbtwo | DWSR: But they've been there and done that. |
| 18:18.31 | cogwheel | chuckles |
| 18:18.34 | DWSR | theorbtwo: so? |
| 18:18.39 | cogwheel | there probably will be |
| 18:18.42 | DWSR | I hope so. |
| 18:18.47 | DWSR | I'ma be a terran ghost. |
| 18:18.48 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not really convinced starcraft would make a good mmo world |
| 18:18.54 | DWSR | And I'ma paint your nigga head with lazers. |
| 18:18.57 | cogwheel | there were those job postings for top secret next gen mmo |
| 18:19.05 | AbsolutRayne | Eeeeeeeeeee new Venture Bros torrent! |
| 18:19.07 | AbsolutRayne | obtains |
| 18:19.08 | theorbtwo | It'd be really hard for them to make World of Starcraft without taking users away from World of Warcraft. |
| 18:19.19 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: i think they've indicated that their "top secret next gen mmo" is entirely new ip.. |
| 18:19.20 | cogwheel | theorbtwo: either way they win |
| 18:19.21 | DWSR | theorbtwo: Money's still all going to the same place. |
| 18:19.44 | DWSR | theorbtwo: Plus, WoSC wouldn't require all the same overhead, since they share Battle.net |
| 18:19.53 | cogwheel | NightHawkTheSane: that would make sense imo |
| 18:20.08 | cogwheel | HKIA, perhaps? |
| 18:20.09 | cogwheel | =D |
| 18:20.12 | AbsolutRayne | WoSC would be odd O_o |
| 18:20.15 | theorbtwo | Yes, but if they spent all the money to make it for the same users that they already had, they've lost lots of development costs, and gained very little. |
| 18:20.47 | theorbtwo | I'm not sure battle.net is a significant portion of the overhead of WoW. |
| 18:21.02 | Antiarc | Hahahahaha, Bibi with the A+ post |
| 18:21.04 | theorbtwo | What it does gain them is the ability to spend time not playing WoW without leaving your friends. |
| 18:21.18 | cogwheel | Antiarc: ?? |
| 18:21.18 | theorbtwo | (And playing SC2 instead.) |
| 18:21.24 | DWSR | theorbtwo: Right. |
| 18:21.24 | Antiarc | http://www.mmo-champion.com/ |
| 18:21.28 | Antiarc | "Antiarc will get rogues nerfed (Check PoisonSwapper)" |
| 18:21.33 | DWSR | "I'm bored of WoW. Let's play WoS"! |
| 18:21.48 | AbsolutRayne | is still honestly waiting for Jumpgate Evolution :/ |
| 18:22.12 | theorbtwo | DWSR: So now that user stops paying for WoW, and starts playing for WoS. |
| 18:22.45 | theorbtwo | They don't want that. They want you to pay for another game, that you like, but doesn't satisfy your jonsing for your hit of WoW. |
| 18:22.50 | theorbtwo | (You little addict!) |
| 18:23.07 | Fisker | hey Antiarc |
| 18:23.14 | Lunessa | I'm hoping the WH40K MMO doesn't suck. |
| 18:23.28 | Antiarc | hey Fisker |
| 18:23.29 | AbsolutRayne | I need an MMO to fill the hole that EvE left. |
| 18:23.45 | Lopeppeppy | Decursive didn't get decursers nerfed, it got the mechanics changed. |
| 18:23.46 | Fisker | i should learn assembly so i can activate the SC2 part of the launcher :( |
| 18:24.10 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: Im a firm believer that Weapon Swapping is more meant for PvP, and even then its Trivial. |
| 18:24.23 | AbsolutRayne | I dont weapon swap at all while I raid :/ |
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| 18:25.07 | Lopeppeppy | I never did either, but some min-maxers are gonna go crazy for that addon. |
| 18:25.28 | Lopeppeppy | Like with Decursive, if it becomes "necessary", something will be changed to "fix" it, it's just not known what that would be. |
| 18:25.34 | |Jelly| | My weapons need to swap nao! |
| 18:25.55 | Aelo | in soviet russia, weapon swap you! |
| 18:26.00 | DWSR | btw. |
| 18:26.01 | Lopeppeppy | *purr* |
| 18:26.03 | DWSR | tbh* |
| 18:26.05 | Lopeppeppy | Really? |
| 18:26.21 | DWSR | they need to change the Aff mechanics to the way they were pre-3.1 |
| 18:26.28 | DWSR | Because 4 dots is yawn |
| 18:26.31 | DWSR | 7 dots is win |
| 18:26.40 | AbsolutRayne | Oh wow,Jelly is still alive |
| 18:26.55 | DWSR | Realms up yet? |
| 18:26.58 | |Jelly| | PTR! |
| 18:27.01 | AbsolutRayne | DWSR: No |
| 18:27.09 | AbsolutRayne | SO |
| 18:27.10 | NightHawkTheSane | its not even 11 yet |
| 18:27.20 | AbsolutRayne | Who wants to run my UI on the PTR and see if it goes asplode for me? <_< |
| 18:27.46 | |Jelly| | I will after this heroic |
| 18:27.51 | *** join/#wowuidev [XServices]-8891 (n=XService@192.Red-83-41-140.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 18:27.57 | AbsolutRayne | Are you on AIM? Ill like it to you |
| 18:27.59 | Ancu | I want the monk. I might buy it on thursday |
| 18:28.06 | Seerah | AbsolutRayne: wtb addon list for your new UI upload :P |
| 18:28.16 | AbsolutRayne | Seerah: Soon :P |
| 18:28.17 | |Jelly| | Yeah, I'm on AIM |
| 18:28.19 | Seerah | doesn't get approved without it |
| 18:28.31 | AbsolutRayne | I need to go run some errands |
| 18:28.35 | DWSR | http://www.wow.com/gallery/byron-the-tauren-rogue-1/2437842/full/ |<- LOL |
| 18:28.37 | AbsolutRayne | Guess I can do it first |
| 18:29.10 | |Jelly| | At least they're telling you. They just rejected mine outright and I had to reupload and everything! :P |
| 18:29.42 | AbsolutRayne | Im just running the same things as Iced Cherry, plus cError and SexyCooldowns :P |
| 18:30.03 | Seerah | then that'll make it easier ;) |
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| 18:31.11 | theorbtwo | Iced Cherry? |
| 18:31.27 | Lopeppeppy | HIs addon package. |
| 18:31.52 | DWSR | http://www.massively.com/2009/11/09/its-official-star-trek-online-releases-february-2nd-2010/ <- YES PLEASE |
| 18:32.03 | AbsolutRayne | Updating |
| 18:32.05 | AbsolutRayne | and done |
| 18:32.23 | DWSR | AbsolutRayne: Link plz |
| 18:32.32 | AbsolutRayne | DWSR: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=15100 |
| 18:32.32 | Seerah | AbsolutRayne: and approved :) |
| 18:32.34 | Seerah | thank you |
| 18:32.39 | AbsolutRayne | No, ty <3 |
| 18:32.49 | theorbtwo | Interestingly with Star Trek Online, there are now three major splits in the Star Trek cannon -- books, films, and games. |
| 18:32.51 | Lunessa | <3 Seerah, <3 AIM users (I was a developer for AIM) |
| 18:33.05 | DWSR | theorbtwo: The TV shows falls into films? |
| 18:33.16 | Seerah | how did AIM come into this?... |
| 18:33.22 | Seerah | :p |
| 18:33.26 | theorbtwo | DWSR: The TV shows are cannon in all three branches. |
| 18:33.35 | AbsolutRayne | AFK, breakfast than Post Office ahmahgawd |
| 18:33.59 | Seerah | theorbtwo: cannon? or canon? ;) (/me thinks KABOOOM!!!) |
| 18:34.03 | DWSR | Seerah: How do you package UIs? I'm interested in uploading mine |
| 18:34.10 | theorbtwo | The latest film reset the universe, so only Star Trek: Enterprise is still canon, except as it effects Old Spock. |
| 18:34.17 | Seerah | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21175 |
| 18:34.49 | theorbtwo | Er, so my first statement about the TV shows wasn't completely accurate -- what I should have said is that the TV shows are the source of all three branches. |
| 18:34.57 | nevcairiel | You won't know for a while if the movie really reset the universe, or if it was just an interim |
| 18:35.05 | theorbtwo | The books are still coming out in a universe that ignores the latest film. |
| 18:35.27 | theorbtwo | The game is set in a universe that ignores the latest film and the latest books, and messes about with the earlier books. |
| 18:35.57 | theorbtwo | That is, they branched from the established books universe at the time the project started, and changed bits they didn't like. |
| 18:36.38 | ArrowmasterClass | the enterprise tv show wasnt canon either was it |
| 18:37.38 | theorbtwo | ArrowmasterClass: Well... the enterprise tv show ignored most of the original show's canon. Take your pick, really. |
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| 18:37.55 | Gnarfoz | WobWork: BankStack is your baby, right? |
| 18:38.04 | ArrowmasterClass | i havent seen the enterprise show but ive heard it directly conflicted with TNG |
| 18:38.18 | theorbtwo | I haven't seen much of it. |
| 18:38.19 | DWSR | It did. |
| 18:38.35 | DWSR | Enterprise was fail. I'm glad it didn't last long. |
| 18:38.47 | theorbtwo | It's possible, but OTOH, they very explicitly throw TNG in with it in the finale. |
| 18:38.49 | Fisker | slaps DWSR around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:38.59 | theorbtwo | (Which rather sucked, BTW.) |
| 18:39.36 | Fisker | slaps theorbtwo around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:40.07 | theorbtwo | Fisker: You thought that the finale was good? |
| 18:40.23 | ArrowmasterClass | with the amount of successful time traveling done in the ST universe without breaking canon, the latest movie breaking that was shocking |
| 18:40.28 | theorbtwo | The finale was "our show sucked. Here, have an episode of TNG instead!" |
| 18:40.58 | nevcairiel | I wasnt such a big fan of TNG, its like the only ST series i havent watched completly |
| 18:41.17 | Seerah | whaaaaaat?!?!? |
| 18:41.20 | Seerah | TNG was the best one |
| 18:41.26 | |Jelly| | agreed |
| 18:41.41 | Seerah | DS9 was a CLOSE second |
| 18:41.56 | theorbtwo | I was a fan of TNG. |
| 18:42.00 | theorbtwo | I *loved* DS9. |
| 18:42.14 | theorbtwo | Voyager was... OK. |
| 18:42.47 | theorbtwo | Enterprise, meh, didn't bother with at the time. Saw the first couple episodes, maybe. Was *really* put off. |
| 18:42.55 | Fisker | duh theorbtwo |
| 18:42.59 | Fisker | They were getting cancelled |
| 18:43.03 | nevcairiel | I watched enterprise, but i didnt really like it much |
| 18:43.04 | Fisker | they had stories they had to tie up |
| 18:43.08 | Coren{de} | I like DS9 more than TNG... it has more long story threads |
| 18:43.30 | nevcairiel | Yeah i need a series with a real plot |
| 18:43.37 | nevcairiel | not a bunch of soap-ish eps |
| 18:43.41 | Lopeppeppy | What is plot? |
| 18:43.41 | |Jelly| | I liked Voyager over DS9, but I didn't see a whole hell of a lot of DS9 either. |
| 18:43.47 | Coren{de} | Enterprise was made with too much time travel, I think even the writers got lost at some points... |
| 18:43.57 | theorbtwo | DS9 had *huge* amounts of plot. |
| 18:44.02 | nevcairiel | Indeed |
| 18:44.08 | nevcairiel | the whole dominion war |
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| 18:44.59 | nevcairiel | voyager only has 2-3 eps spanning plots, maybe picked up a season later for another episode |
| 18:45.02 | nevcairiel | but nothing good |
| 18:45.17 | Coren{de} | the "prophets" is an arc that is spanning the whole series :) |
| 18:45.27 | cogwheel | has an autographed picture of James Doohan |
| 18:45.29 | nevcairiel | ignoring the overall plot "getting home", which is rather pointless for the story :P |
| 18:45.39 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: thats not plot, thats setting |
| 18:45.46 | |Jelly| | Prolly why I liked it. I didn't watch it every week or whatever, so I didn't feel like I missed an entire seaseons worth by missing an episode or two. |
| 18:45.49 | NightHawkTheSane | that's like saying the plot of ds9 is the space station :P |
| 18:46.23 | theorbtwo | Anyway, girlfriend is home. Later, folks. |
| 18:46.27 | nevcairiel | i just wanted to mention it before a smartass does :P |
| 18:46.39 | |Jelly| | Later |
| 18:46.56 | DWSR | TNG was still the best one. |
| 18:47.03 | DWSR | Patrick Stewart owns all your babies. |
| 18:47.07 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 18:47.13 | |Jelly| | Agreed |
| 18:47.15 | durcyn | TNG's story:filler ratio was awful |
| 18:47.18 | nevcairiel | How was TNG with plots? i didnt watch it on a regular basis to notice |
| 18:47.18 | Lunessa | back. Boss bought pizza for lunch. :) |
| 18:47.21 | durcyn | _awful_ |
| 18:47.30 | nevcairiel | so, more filler eps, eh |
| 18:47.31 | cogwheel | durcyn: that's kind of the point of star trek imo |
| 18:47.41 | nevcairiel | i would probably start skipping some |
| 18:47.42 | cogwheel | it's supposed to be pretty campy |
| 18:47.44 | alestane | I have nothing against TNG, but I enjoyed DS9 more for pretty much that reason. |
| 18:47.49 | cogwheel | (at least in its original vision) |
| 18:48.07 | durcyn | cogwheel: then roddenberry was smoking something, cohesive story arcs > campiness |
| 18:48.10 | cogwheel | alestane: and it's also why a lot of hard core original/TNG fans hated DS9 |
| 18:48.30 | Lopeppeppy | Star Trek is not the first franchise to toss canon out the window for convenience. |
| 18:48.35 | Lopeppeppy | Nor will it be the last. |
| 18:48.35 | nevcairiel | Anyway, B5 owns them all, a whole series full of plot </excourse> |
| 18:48.36 | cogwheel | durcyn: he probably was, but that's beside the point. It's what's worked. |
| 18:49.08 | Antiarc | wtf |
| 18:49.13 | Antiarc | I logged in, which applied the patch |
| 18:49.16 | Antiarc | And my "trade channel" window was renamed to "Ragnaros" |
| 18:49.18 | Antiarc | ?????? |
| 18:49.22 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 18:49.24 | DWSR | ROFL |
| 18:49.34 | DWSR | Antiarc: get my /msg? |
| 18:49.51 | durcyn | cogwheel: i'd like to think i'm not unique in disliking The Sitcom Problem where every damn episode is interchangeable |
| 18:49.52 | Lunessa | Star Trek the original was competing against "The Rifleman", "Big Valley", and "Bonanza" - So it was pitched as "Wagon Train to the Stars" to studios. |
| 18:49.54 | foxlit | Oh noes, a launcher update? |
| 18:50.11 | Antiarc | yeah, sure did |
| 18:50.14 | nevcairiel | Lunessa: well that was TOS times |
| 18:50.17 | cogwheel | durcyn: you're probably not, but attacking something for being exactly what it was designed to be strikes me as a bit silly ;) |
| 18:50.21 | DWSR | Antiarc: The healer fight in ICC is ~30 minutes. |
| 18:50.27 | cogwheel | s/attacking/criticizing/ |
| 18:50.47 | nevcairiel | cogwheel: you can still want it to be something else |
| 18:50.56 | durcyn | cogwheel: not when ds9 managed to be at least partly cohesive :/ |
| 18:51.05 | cogwheel | nevcairiel: and people did. Hence DS9 & voyager :) |
| 18:51.09 | durcyn | why can't all scifi be babylon 5 :( |
| 18:51.13 | nevcairiel | srsly |
| 18:51.26 | durcyn | well, the first four seasons anyway |
| 18:51.30 | durcyn | we don't talk about tracy scoggins |
| 18:51.40 | Fisker | i am the hero this channel needs |
| 18:51.40 | nevcairiel | yeah well the 5th was just patched on afterwards |
| 18:51.44 | cogwheel | i was too immature when b5 came out to see past the too-early-attempt at completely CG graphics |
| 18:51.55 | nevcairiel | so watch it now |
| 18:52.00 | cogwheel | good idea :P |
| 18:52.06 | nevcairiel | hands his dvd set to cogwheel |
| 18:52.13 | cogwheel | why thank you... |
| 18:52.17 | cogwheel | puts it in his dvd player |
| 18:52.27 | DWSR | downloads it all. |
| 18:52.28 | durcyn | well, that's what happens when you cancel and un-cancel something and all of the original fifth season gets crammed into the fourth |
| 18:52.34 | DWSR | Thanks for the suggestion. |
| 18:52.50 | durcyn | 'we realize you already blew your load on the story, but could you uh, write something more please' |
| 18:52.57 | nevcairiel | I wonder if their original material is high enough quality for bluray |
| 18:53.01 | nevcairiel | i would buy it when it comes out |
| 18:53.02 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: honestly, given when it was made, the cg was actually rather good :P |
| 18:53.05 | DWSR | nevcairiel: It's not. |
| 18:53.08 | durcyn | probably not :( |
| 18:53.24 | nevcairiel | sadly they probably saved money on tv series back then |
| 18:53.32 | durcyn | though who can tell, with SFC doing that upscale letterbox shit |
| 18:53.32 | nevcairiel | they knew the screen size it was designed for |
| 18:53.58 | nevcairiel | not like movies, which needed high res for cinemas anyway |
| 18:54.18 | NightHawkTheSane | well, they did film b5 in widescreen and at a very high quality, not sure if its up to bluray quality or not though |
| 18:54.36 | nevcairiel | i wonder, are the dvds in widescreen |
| 18:54.38 | theorbtwo | I wonder if they have the really original version of the CG, so they could *reasonably* redo it. |
| 18:54.40 | nevcairiel | fetches one |
| 18:54.44 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: yes |
| 18:55.11 | durcyn | huh. a BD version is listed on amazon |
| 18:55.17 | theorbtwo | That is, pump the output resolution up to bluray, and rerun the original render, rather then remodeling everything. |
| 18:55.18 | nevcairiel | it is? |
| 18:55.45 | theorbtwo | Er, at the very least, bluray versions would take up a lot less shelf space. |
| 18:55.59 | durcyn | looks bogus though |
| 18:56.00 | theorbtwo | A complete set of bab5 on DVD is several shelf-feet. |
| 18:56.10 | nevcairiel | indeed |
| 18:56.15 | nevcairiel | 5 seasons plus movies |
| 18:56.24 | Fisker | hugs durcyn |
| 18:56.28 | Dagmar | You putting those DVDs down length-wise? |
| 18:56.36 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 18:57.00 | durcyn | sniffs Fisker |
| 18:57.04 | theorbtwo | Dagmar: Er... no, in the boxes that they come in. |
| 18:57.27 | durcyn | yeah, that half-cm of cardboard really packs on the pounds |
| 18:57.47 | Dagmar | I've seen a bunch of long-running shows in DVD collections. None of them are more than about a foot and a half wide |
| 18:57.47 | cogwheel | mixes B5 into his netflix queue |
| 18:58.03 | DWSR | Dagmar: TNG is. |
| 18:58.05 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 18:58.13 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: just make sure you watch it in order :) |
| 18:58.20 | theorbtwo | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Babylon-Complete-Collection-Exclusive-Amazon-co-uk/dp/B000WDSRG4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1257879447&sr=8-1 -- 42 disks. |
| 18:58.22 | DWSR | realms up, US players. |
| 18:58.32 | DWSR | theorbtwo: It's not that big. |
| 18:58.38 | DWSR | http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B000WDSRG4/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_0?ie=UTF8&index=0 |
| 18:58.48 | cogwheel | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, netflix doesn't make it easy to add an entire series in season order... |
| 18:59.07 | durcyn | man, the only dvdrip versions of b5 on mininova are in german |
| 18:59.09 | durcyn | damn you, nevcairiel |
| 18:59.18 | nevcairiel | hahaha |
| 18:59.19 | DWSR | durcyn: There are some on Goem in English. |
| 18:59.22 | DWSR | Want an invite? |
| 18:59.25 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: yeah. :\ and watching b5 out of order is rather sacreligious :P |
| 18:59.33 | Shirik | I need a linux live CD which supports hardware acceleration of graphics |
| 18:59.35 | durcyn | meh, i'll check demonoid first |
| 18:59.37 | Shirik | any suggestions? |
| 18:59.38 | cogwheel | right now my queue is a mixture of DS9 & voyager approximately lined up in order of air date, so i had a couple seasons of voyager at the end which needed to be broken up |
| 18:59.42 | DWSR | durcyn: Demonoid's down. |
| 19:00.04 | durcyn | DWSR: again? i thought they just fixed their db issues |
| 19:00.06 | DWSR | durcyn: No. |
| 19:00.15 | durcyn | buggerfuck |
| 19:00.19 | DWSR | invite? |
| 19:00.24 | theorbtwo | DWSR: Hm, those are much narrower cases then the collection I've seen. |
| 19:00.28 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 19:00.30 | durcyn | eh, sure, just add @gmail.com |
| 19:00.32 | nevcairiel | silly dvds are interlaced, didnt notice that before, bah |
| 19:00.34 | theorbtwo | (In which each case was as wide as the widest of those cases.) |
| 19:00.34 | durcyn | and thanks |
| 19:00.37 | Fisker | you need to hack the launcher! |
| 19:00.42 | cogwheel | When they were on TV, I stopped following both around their season 4s. |
| 19:00.57 | DWSR | durcyn: Make sure to keepa good share ratio blah blah blah blah blah. |
| 19:01.06 | DWSR | TL;DR don't be a fucktard. |
| 19:01.23 | durcyn | DWSR: i've got torrentflux set to 100% for ratio trackers =P |
| 19:01.28 | Shirik | nevcairiel has no ideas? :( He was my best hope |
| 19:01.31 | Fisker | pirate |
| 19:01.38 | DWSR | durcyn: You should set it to 150%. |
| 19:01.38 | nevcairiel | what? i didnt see your question |
| 19:01.44 | Shirik | (13:59:18) (@Shirik) I need a linux live CD which supports hardware acceleration of graphics |
| 19:01.45 | DWSR | Gives you a bit of buffer. |
| 19:01.46 | durcyn | eh, perhaps. |
| 19:01.52 | DWSR | My ratio on Goem is 23. |
| 19:01.55 | nevcairiel | Shirik: what graphics? |
| 19:01.57 | DWSR | With 1TB down. |
| 19:02.00 | DWSR | err, up. |
| 19:02.00 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:02.06 | theorbtwo | Bab5 gets much worse after season 4 (because they got canceled and then uncanceled). DS9 maintains wonderful all the way to the end. |
| 19:02.09 | nevcairiel | no seriously, what card? |
| 19:02.09 | Shirik | ATI :( Let's... not think about that too hard |
| 19:02.15 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 19:02.27 | nevcairiel | well, most live cds only come with the open source drivers |
| 19:02.32 | Shirik | I guess it's not so important for hardware accel |
| 19:02.34 | nevcairiel | which might not be so nice in acceleration |
| 19:02.35 | NightHawkTheSane | theorbtwo: except ds9 starts off much slower. and until you realize that really.. ds9 jsut ripped off of b5 ;) |
| 19:02.37 | Shirik | it needs to be able to support 3d graphics |
| 19:02.41 | durcyn | i haven't seen a livecd ship with nvidia or fglrx binary blobs |
| 19:02.44 | durcyn | you could roll your own |
| 19:02.57 | durcyn | with gentoo even |
| 19:03.05 | DWSR | durcyn: Because they're nonfree. :P |
| 19:03.09 | Shirik | even if it's run in software I guess it's ok |
| 19:03.09 | Shirik | for now |
| 19:03.10 | theorbtwo | NightHawkTheSane: I've seen both, all the way few, reasonably recently. They really didn't. |
| 19:03.30 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:03.32 | Fisker | do it Shirik |
| 19:03.34 | nevcairiel | Ah, the MPC-HC mpeg2 decoder does proper deinterlacing, nice |
| 19:03.38 | durcyn | DWSR: i'm sure someone would do it if the license agreements weren't so thorny |
| 19:03.50 | theorbtwo | They are similar in that they have religious themes, continuing plot, and are set on a space station. |
| 19:03.53 | DWSR | I'm sure that they would. |
| 19:04.08 | theorbtwo | nobot s/few/through/ |
| 19:04.15 | nevcairiel | maybe thats why i liked DS9 more then any other ST thing |
| 19:04.20 | nevcairiel | I was in love with B5 |
| 19:04.36 | NightHawkTheSane | theorbtwo: as have i, but they really did. changed a few things up along the way, but ds9 was basically entirely inspired by b5, jms has pretty much said "i pitched it to them, they didn't like it, and then made their own. fuck them." |
| 19:04.38 | Shirik | Ok, any suggestions on live CDs that support 3d graphics out of the box? Even if it's software-rendered? |
| 19:05.04 | theorbtwo | NightHawkTheSane: Yes, and JMS is *entirely* neutral on this subject. |
| 19:05.33 | theorbtwo | Shirik: I should think almost all of them will do 3d graphics, with hardware rendering. |
| 19:05.34 | NightHawkTheSane | theorbtwo: i never said he was, but i dont really expect him to outright lie. |
| 19:05.44 | Lunessa | http://textsfromlastnight.com/areacode/734 |
| 19:05.46 | Shirik | gentoo's won't for sure |
| 19:05.48 | Shirik | so |
| 19:05.52 | durcyn | Shirik: ubuntu or sysrescd.org |
| 19:05.53 | Shirik | since that's all I am familiar with... |
| 19:05.59 | nevcairiel | Shirik: software rendered 3d is terribly slow, what are you trying to use it for? .. anyway, nearly every Xorg installation should come with the mesa driver |
| 19:06.00 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not even saying i dislike ds9, it was -amazing- |
| 19:06.06 | nevcairiel | even the gentoo 10.1 LiveDVD |
| 19:06.14 | Shirik | nevcairiel: To fix a makefile for a 3d application |
| 19:06.15 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:06.30 | durcyn | and gentoo's boot cds have always been terrible |
| 19:06.36 | Shirik | it's compiling as Windows on Linux for some reason |
| 19:06.41 | Shirik | which doesn't work too well |
| 19:06.44 | Shirik | and I need to find out why |
| 19:06.46 | nevcairiel | the gentoo boot cds are for installing gentoo, not more |
| 19:06.53 | nevcairiel | the LiveDVD is something usable, actually |
| 19:07.08 | theorbtwo | I once pitched a comedy show set in an office to ITV. Did The Office rip me off? |
| 19:07.12 | durcyn | i used to do gentoo installs off of slackware disks because the damn gentoo livecds couldn't find themselves on a scsi cdrom, of all things |
| 19:07.19 | durcyn | i mean, what kind of livecd doesn't know about /dev/sr0 |
| 19:07.30 | nevcairiel | never had issues *shrug |
| 19:08.15 | DWSR | AHAHAHAHA Lunessa |
| 19:08.28 | Lunessa | IT'S BUILD A BEAR |
| 19:08.40 | Shirik | so does the gentoo live dvd have something like kde? |
| 19:09.31 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 19:09.36 | nevcairiel | it comes with kde and gnome |
| 19:09.41 | DWSR | Lunessa: http://textsfromlastnight.com/view/52362 |
| 19:09.45 | nevcairiel | even more, possibly |
| 19:09.52 | nevcairiel | not too sure about the exact contents |
| 19:10.15 | Lunessa | DWSR - /shame |
| 19:10.35 | nevcairiel | Shirik: i suppose you could even emerge the prop ati driver from the livedvd, load the kernel module and restart X |
| 19:10.43 | nevcairiel | if you really want to |
| 19:11.02 | Shirik | I really just need to compile :P |
| 19:11.09 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:11.11 | Shirik | I don't care about actually running |
| 19:11.42 | DWSR | Lunessa: I want that as a t-shirt. |
| 19:11.57 | Lunessa | You can order it. |
| 19:12.10 | Fisker | strike me down Shirik |
| 19:12.18 | DWSR | Lunessa: Yeah, I might |
| 19:12.39 | Lunessa | Someone linked that site me - I think it's going to be a new favorite. |
| 19:13.36 | cogwheel | see also: @shitmydadsays on twitter |
| 19:13.50 | cogwheel | (both have landed contracts for TV shows) |
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| 19:14.35 | Lunessa | DWSR - http://textsfromlastnight.com/areacode/904 |
| 19:15.51 | DWSR | http://textsfromlastnight.com/view/52811 |
| 19:16.01 | DWSR | just... what the fuck. |
| 19:16.25 | DWSR | also, the osk for w7 has win. :) |
| 19:16.45 | DWSR | if only it supported multi touch like the rest of w7 |
| 19:16.56 | AbsolutRayne | I return |
| 19:17.06 | DWSR | so i coul hold shift or something |
| 19:17.18 | DWSR | s/coul/could/ |
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| 19:17.42 | Shirik | f my internet |
| 19:17.46 | Shirik | (14:16:55) (@Shirik) (904): I just realized that "Hey girl, when you gonna let me tap that?" is in iambic pentameter. I'm going to write a poem... |
| 19:17.46 | Shirik | (14:17:01) (@Shirik) Who says that in iambic pentameter |
| 19:17.47 | Shirik | (14:17:06) (@Shirik) someone with a speech impediment? |
| 19:17.47 | DWSR | why |
| 19:17.59 | DWSR | lol |
| 19:18.12 | Shirik | have no idea if that went through |
| 19:18.19 | DWSR | no. |
| 19:18.21 | Shirik | IRC needs a modification that lets you see what actually got sent -_- |
| 19:18.30 | Shirik | we don't need to be efficient anymore |
| 19:18.36 | DWSR | nah |
| 19:19.00 | Shirik | Hell, you don't even need to make a modification. Just look to see if you got the TCP ACK |
| 19:19.10 | DWSR | yes we do. IRC is going o be the first application for neural interfaces |
| 19:19.28 | DWSR | s/o /to / |
| 19:21.08 | Lunessa | DWSR: Are you sure? I was convinced it would be some sort of porn. |
| 19:21.31 | DWSR | text first. pornography second |
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| 19:21.45 | DWSR | oh wow. w7's osk has predictive text. |
| 19:22.14 | klip | osk? |
| 19:22.54 | Dagmar | on-screen keyboard |
| 19:23.12 | klip | I see |
| 19:23.31 | Shirik | everyone's doing predictive text these days |
| 19:23.53 | DWSR | I must say, frm a tablet user's standpoint, 7 is a huge upgrade from vista. |
| 19:23.56 | nevcairiel | anyone have any experience which mpeg2 software decoder is the best in image quality with proper de-interlacing? |
| 19:24.23 | klip | i like w7's speach recognition. I spent about a hour talking to my laptop n english. it is fun |
| 19:24.23 | DWSR | nevcairiel, isn't mpeg2 a standard..? |
| 19:24.41 | DWSR | klip, whee's that at? |
| 19:24.42 | nevcairiel | it is, but what does that change? :P |
| 19:24.47 | DWSR | where* |
| 19:24.54 | Shirik | SQL is a standard too |
| 19:24.57 | Shirik | loooooooool |
| 19:25.10 | DWSR | nevcairiel: decoders should give you the same result s |
| 19:25.20 | DWSR | sql's no standard... =\ |
| 19:25.22 | nevcairiel | the decoding of the mpeg2 isnt the problem, i want proper deinterlacing and postprocessing |
| 19:25.43 | nevcairiel | ffmpeg deinterlace looks weird |
| 19:26.01 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: you there? |
| 19:26.01 | Dagmar | Pick a different mode for it hten |
| 19:26.03 | Dagmar | It's got like seven. |
| 19:26.05 | Shirik | mpeg2 just says what's there, not what to do with it |
| 19:26.09 | klip | dwsr: dunno if it is in every edition. I have prof 64. you should find it in control panel. if you have microphone installed I guess |
| 19:26.10 | Shadowed | If I say no, will you believe me |
| 19:26.14 | Dagmar | If it used one you didn't like, you told it to do that. |
| 19:26.27 | nevcairiel | I've been through like all of them <.< |
| 19:26.31 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: there's a chance, albeit a small one |
| 19:26.31 | Shadowed | What's up |
| 19:26.48 | nevcairiel | The internal mpeg2 decoder to MPC-HC seems fine |
| 19:26.51 | Fisker | btw Gnarfoz |
| 19:27.04 | Fisker | seen the WoW launcher lately? |
| 19:27.04 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: what would make QA lose track of what crafts one of my chars can do? |
| 19:27.04 | nevcairiel | but just wondering if someone had experience :P |
| 19:27.04 | *** join/#wowuidev DWSR2 (n=doingwha@24.114.252.240) |
| 19:27.04 | Fisker | Or should i call it SC2 Launcher? |
| 19:27.06 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: no, I don't use that at all |
| 19:27.22 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.23 | Shadowed | uh |
| 19:27.24 | Shadowed | no idea |
| 19:27.28 | Shirik | I'm going to ask an incredibly stupid question |
| 19:27.28 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: and... can I somehow reset that part without destroying my auction groups? |
| 19:27.29 | Shadowed | QA2 is like, a hack on a hack on a hack |
| 19:27.31 | Fisker | awesome Gnarfoz |
| 19:27.46 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: heh, I'll try butchering the SV by hand, then |
| 19:27.48 | Fisker | but you need to use the launcher |
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| 19:28.10 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: I'm on my JC and it's missing stuff I can obviously craft, for some reason ;o |
| 19:28.34 | Shadowed | I think its, /script QuickAuctions.db.profile.global.crafts but not sure |
| 19:28.43 | Fisker | use the launcher Gnarfoz |
| 19:29.02 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: yeah that looks familiar from what I see in the file |
| 19:29.18 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: why, so I get that random "can't validate game version" thingy? |
| 19:30.41 | Fisker | naw? |
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| 19:31.39 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 19:31.50 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: how does it do the scanning, actually? I've got an addon that re-colors the gem list in the craft window, maybe that's somehow interfering? (GemJar) |
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| 19:36.15 | Fisker | Gnarfoz lets hack the launcher |
| 19:36.45 | Dagmar | Hack it so that you can't die in the launcher |
| 19:38.35 | Shadowed | doubt it |
| 19:38.37 | Shadowed | it oes by item link |
| 19:38.38 | Shadowed | goes |
| 19:38.54 | Shadowed | Gnarfoz: ^ |
| 19:39.36 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: hmm. on a related note, do you think grabbing the tradeskill... book link? (the profession link thingy) and deconstructing it might be an improvement? |
| 19:39.40 | Gnarfoz | just came to my mind ^^ |
| 19:40.11 | Shadowed | Maybe? I really don't do anything to QA |
| 19:40.23 | Shadowed | It's pretty an "as is, if you want something hope you can do it yourself or I need it" :p |
| 19:40.26 | Gnarfoz | probably needs a static map, though, so the addon would become a maintenance liability on patch days :D |
| 19:40.33 | Gnarfoz | heh, ok |
| 19:41.02 | Gnarfoz | still confused as to why suddenly stuff like Runed Scarlet Ruby would disappear :o |
| 19:41.26 | Shadowed | yea dunno |
| 19:41.33 | Shadowed | that makes no sense |
| 19:42.54 | DWSR2 | I am talking using dictation. This is fuck awesome. |
| 19:43.34 | Thunder_Child | badly |
| 19:43.38 | Gnarfoz | it's QuickAuctions.db.realm.crafts btw |
| 19:45.09 | DSR | DWSR |
| 19:45.10 | DSR | ... |
| 19:45.17 | Gnarfoz | highfives DSR |
| 19:45.33 | Fisker | slaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:45.40 | DWSR | There we go. |
| 19:45.41 | Fisker | rage |
| 19:46.12 | DWSR | I think the speech recognition needs training. |
| 19:46.28 | DWSR | It's OK but not great |
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| 19:47.02 | DWSR | On the other hand it's better than nothing |
| 19:47.24 | DWSR | Would be cool to get Splaunchy working with speech rec. |
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| 19:53.16 | Esine | Hey. I got back into wow a few days ago after being gone for >6 months. I was looking at the some of the data my old addon has recorded ani I noticed something odd. I have an entry for myself on the April 14 of 2009 of me having a GUID 0x000000000200797E, but then soon after on April 18th I had the GUID: 0x020000000200797E |
| 19:53.20 | Esine | Why would this happen? |
| 19:53.41 | Esine | 0x000000000200797E versus 0x020000000200797E. The first byte from 00 to 02 |
| 19:53.51 | Esine | I'll need to check my current GUID |
| 19:53.59 | NightHawkTheSane | it means you're scheduled to be sacrificed. |
| 19:54.16 | Esine | :-( |
| 19:55.04 | Adys | Esine: they updated guids at some point last month |
| 19:55.38 | Lunessa | So part of my job is creating new accounts for people. It really doesn't help me when you give me bad contact info for your personal e-mail address, you know? |
| 19:55.56 | Esine | Adys: but this is from April. |
| 19:56.12 | Esine | agh what was the script again to check my GUID? to print it to the console |
| 19:56.21 | Esine | /run defaultchatframe.addmessage( UnitGUID("player") ) or something |
| 19:56.24 | durcyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.35 | Esine | don't think I have the /dump addon loaded atm |
| 19:56.40 | Adys | its builtin |
| 19:56.44 | Esine | oh ok |
| 19:56.47 | Esine | since when |
| 19:56.50 | Adys | 3.2 |
| 19:56.56 | Adys | also print() works since 3.0 |
| 19:57.18 | Esine | I still have the 0x020000000200797E GUID |
| 19:57.33 | Esine | but I have no idea why it changed between April 14th and April 18th.. |
| 19:58.02 | DWSR | Ok. |
| 19:58.10 | DWSR | Trying to get Foobar to play music with speech rec is fucking pain. |
| 19:58.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i would say that helps you a lot, you just dont create their account. :) |
| 19:58.15 | DWSR | Although, it's kinda neat. |
| 19:58.25 | DWSR | Because I can say things like "Jay Z Blueprint 3" and it will select it. |
| 19:58.26 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I wish. |
| 19:59.03 | Esine | Can you guys check your GUIDs? Do they start with 0x0200? I'm on EU realms btw |
| 19:59.31 | theorbtwo | Can you give me a oneliner for that? |
| 19:59.41 | theorbtwo | Esine: Is it possible it changed when you merged to battle.net? |
| 19:59.43 | NightHawkTheSane | can you look up 2 minutes? :P |
| 19:59.54 | Esine | theorbtwo: I merged into battle.net just yesterday. This is from 8 months back |
| 20:00.05 | Esine | theorbtwo: quoting above: durcyn | /dump UnitGUID('player') |
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| 20:01.04 | theorbtwo | 0x0480000001D0CEDE |
| 20:01.15 | Esine | :-( what could that mean.. |
| 20:01.42 | NightHawkTheSane | the 04 means he gets a pony. |
| 20:02.17 | NightHawkTheSane | they 80 means it comes as a bottle of a glue and a teriyaki dinner with a side of rice. |
| 20:02.34 | DWSR | NO FUCKING WAY. |
| 20:02.35 | Shadowed | Pretty sure you got it wrong |
| 20:02.41 | Shadowed | 0 means you are going to die soon |
| 20:02.42 | DWSR | Speech rec = bombin. |
| 20:02.46 | Shadowed | 480 means you will be rich before you die |
| 20:02.47 | Thunder_Child | no NightHawkTheSane, wrong again |
| 20:02.49 | theorbtwo | Possibly that I'm in the middle of a lich king trial. |
| 20:04.41 | Esine | I have 977 player GUIDs in my data set. 130 of them start with 0x0200, 846 of them with 0x0000 |
| 20:05.13 | Esine | 976 guids* |
| 20:05.16 | Adys | Esine: I'm near-willing to bet its something to do with bnet accs |
| 20:05.35 | Esine | Adys: .. but... all of that data was recorded early 2009! |
| 20:05.43 | Adys | so? |
| 20:05.52 | Esine | I forgot, did we have bnet accounts back then? |
| 20:05.58 | Fisker | eu didn't atleast |
| 20:05.59 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 20:06.06 | NightHawkTheSane | well, us did |
| 20:06.09 | Esine | this is EU.. |
| 20:06.14 | NightHawkTheSane | meh |
| 20:06.23 | Fisker | i could go check my guid |
| 20:06.43 | AbsolutRayne | @_@ |
| 20:06.44 | theorbtwo | Is it possible they are different expansions? |
| 20:06.57 | Esine | hey.. that could be it theorbtwo |
| 20:07.01 | Esine | maybe I bought wotlk around that time? |
| 20:07.07 | Esine | I know I didn't buy it in the first month. |
| 20:08.49 | Fisker | how does one shot guid again? |
| 20:09.07 | Esine | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:09.26 | Fisker | 0x02 as well |
| 20:10.04 | Esine | ah nah, it seems I bought WOTLK in November 2008 |
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| 20:11.48 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 20:13.05 | Fisker | not battle.net related |
| 20:13.39 | Esine | wowwiki says the first byte's meaning is unknown :-( |
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| 20:27.59 | Shirik | it is the "skill" flagg |
| 20:28.06 | Shirik | my first byte is 0xFF |
| 20:31.49 | Antiarc | 0x06000000001C9642 |
| 20:31.56 | Antiarc | US, WotLK account, battle.net login |
| 20:32.10 | Esine | oh dear |
| 20:32.19 | nevcairiel | so they changed player guids now? |
| 20:32.26 | nevcairiel | its not 0x000000 anymore? |
| 20:33.14 | Stanzilla | 21:32:58 · Dump: value=UnitGUID("player") |
| 20:33.14 | Stanzilla | 21:32:58 · [1]="0x02800000006E6014" |
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| 20:34.38 | DWSR | It's the year you activated your account?\ |
| 20:34.47 | cogwheel | O.o |
| 20:34.52 | cogwheel | truth... on fox news... |
| 20:34.52 | Esine | ! |
| 20:34.54 | DWSR | Mine's 0x04 |
| 20:34.55 | cogwheel | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572088,00.html |
| 20:35.08 | cogwheel | blinks, dumbfounded |
| 20:35.19 | Esine | DWSR: possible! I registered in 2006 |
| 20:35.23 | Esine | so.. you're 2008? |
| 20:35.28 | DWSR | no |
| 20:35.29 | DWSR | 04. |
| 20:35.32 | Esine | oh |
| 20:35.52 | cogwheel | ~lart Shirik |
| 20:35.52 | purl | hooks into a hydrant and hoses Shirik down |
| 20:36.06 | Esine | DWSR: and the char? |
| 20:36.17 | DWSR | lock |
| 20:36.20 | nevcairiel | i have a 0x020 .. created on classic release day, wotlk account, battle.net login |
| 20:36.23 | Esine | no I mean when did you made the char |
| 20:36.29 | DWSR | oh, last year |
| 20:36.31 | Esine | hmh |
| 20:36.35 | Esine | DWSR: that's 2008 |
| 20:36.40 | DWSR | indeed |
| 20:37.10 | Esine | but nevcairiel made the char in 2004 and has 0x02 so that theory doesn't hold true :( |
| 20:37.25 | DWSR | unless he's mistaken |
| 20:37.34 | alestane | cogwheel: It makes about as much sense as the book of Mormon...people want to feel like they're the special enlightened ones. |
| 20:37.40 | Esine | nevcairiel: or did you mean you only registered your account then but this character is a newer one from 2006? |
| 20:38.05 | Esine | DWSR: Blizzard seems very short sighted. How could they think WoW will only last 256 years? |
| 20:38.11 | Shirik | why cogwheel :( |
| 20:38.18 | Fisker | the 2 characters i tried on was made on classic and tbc release respectively |
| 20:38.18 | Esine | they're going to have to update the GUIDs again in 2260 *sigh* |
| 20:38.23 | DWSR | lol |
| 20:38.27 | cogwheel | 12:27 <@Shirik> it is the "skill" flagg |
| 20:38.27 | cogwheel | 12:28 <@Shirik> my first byte is 0xFF |
| 20:38.33 | Shirik | is true |
| 20:38.57 | Esine | Shirik: really? |
| 20:39.00 | Shirik | no |
| 20:39.05 | Esine | :( |
| 20:39.11 | Fisker | you wouldn't kill my mom Shirik |
| 20:39.30 | cogwheel | see? |
| 20:39.32 | cogwheel | ~lart Shirik |
| 20:39.33 | purl | resizes Shirik's terminal to 40x24 |
| 20:39.53 | cogwheel | ouch... now that's somethign i wouldn't wish on anyone... |
| 20:40.04 | nevcairiel | Esine: i created the char on release day of classic, which was 2005 for me (EU) |
| 20:40.13 | Esine | ok.. |
| 20:40.23 | DWSR | 0x04800000034AE2E8 <- US Battle.net account, WotLK, created in 04, 80 lock. |
| 20:40.27 | Antiarc | I registered my account in 2004 |
| 20:40.30 | Antiarc | And I start with 0x06 |
| 20:40.41 | DWSR | Antiarc: Oh, btw. |
| 20:40.47 | nevcairiel | its probably some silly factor |
| 20:40.50 | DWSR | Text anchors to the bottom right of the icon? |
| 20:40.59 | Antiarc | By default, you can change the anchor |
| 20:41.08 | Shirik | I will go find out mine |
| 20:41.10 | Shirik | just for you guys |
| 20:41.23 | Coren{de} | some long-ago change in battle groups has something to do with it IMHO |
| 20:41.29 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 20:41.37 | DWSR | they probably changed them all when they did battlegroups |
| 20:41.50 | DWSR | and are GUIDs unique to WoW or only your battlegroup? |
| 20:42.00 | Shirik | to WoW I believe |
| 20:42.05 | Shirik | That would be the "G" part |
| 20:42.08 | Esine | Coren{de}: was that in April around the 15th or so? |
| 20:42.13 | DWSR | Shirik: True |
| 20:42.25 | foxlit | DWSR: I recall people saying that they can collide. |
| 20:42.32 | DWSR | OH. |
| 20:42.32 | DWSR | btw |
| 20:42.33 | cogwheel | technically they're supposed to be unique to the planet imo :P |
| 20:42.41 | DWSR | I server and faction transferred this toon |
| 20:42.44 | Shirik | foxlit They should stop walking in to each other |
| 20:42.45 | DWSR | server transfer was last month |
| 20:43.01 | foxlit | You're guaranteed that you won't encounter two different units with the same guid in game, though. Or so someone said. |
| 20:43.14 | Antiarc | Does unit GUID change on server xfer? |
| 20:43.20 | Esine | I think it does. |
| 20:43.21 | durcyn | Yes. |
| 20:43.27 | nevcairiel | I heard that it was only unique per battle group |
| 20:43.28 | Antiarc | It might be realm type. |
| 20:43.35 | DWSR | Doubt it. |
| 20:43.39 | Esine | so what if the number signifies the realm id in the battlegroup? |
| 20:43.39 | Antiarc | Everyone I'm inspecting has a 0x06 prefix, and I'm on an RP realm |
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| 20:43.45 | durcyn | realm or battlegroup identifier makes sense |
| 20:43.48 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 20:43.49 | Shirik | maybe it has to do with BG |
| 20:43.52 | DWSR | Realm type is dumb. |
| 20:44.02 | nevcairiel | I'm on PvE with 0x020 |
| 20:44.02 | DWSR | Why bother? |
| 20:44.09 | Esine | nevcairiel: I'm on PVP 0x020 |
| 20:44.15 | nevcairiel | so much for that theory |
| 20:44.21 | Shirik | 0x0680000000112162 |
| 20:44.25 | Shirik | Which is what it's been forever |
| 20:44.36 | Esine | Shirik: how many realms are there in your battlegroup? |
| 20:44.37 | foxlit | 0x010 |
| 20:44.39 | Shirik | Normal server, Drenden (Vindication) |
| 20:44.41 | nevcairiel | mine used to be 0x0000... and not 0x020.. |
| 20:44.43 | Antiarc | Interestingm you have 0x068 |
| 20:44.49 | Antiarc | I have 0x060 |
| 20:44.54 | foxlit | The 8 is new; I had to patch wiki pages for it. |
| 20:45.02 | durcyn | there aren't 68 servers in a battelgroup, but there are 68 servers in a region, /shrug |
| 20:45.04 | DWSR | I have an 8 as well. |
| 20:45.17 | Shirik | I remember the 0x068 because I've had to fix WoWHead's link generation code forever |
| 20:45.18 | DWSR | Shirik: Never server transferred that character/ |
| 20:45.19 | nevcairiel | am i really on server 2 then? |
| 20:45.19 | Shirik | it always crashes me |
| 20:45.25 | Shirik | no DWSR |
| 20:45.28 | nevcairiel | checks realm list |
| 20:45.35 | DWSR | nevcairiel: Maybe on some internal list. |
| 20:45.36 | foxlit | nev: no. There are more than 16 servers. |
| 20:45.46 | Antiarc | Queueing for a BG! |
| 20:45.51 | Antiarc | Should be able to find out if it's server ID easily |
| 20:45.57 | nevcairiel | foxlit: maybe i'm server 20 |
| 20:45.58 | DWSR | Antiarc: Already here. |
| 20:46.00 | DWSR | Just a sceond. |
| 20:46.05 | nevcairiel | 0x020 .. 0x068 .. etc |
| 20:46.06 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 20:46.09 | Esine | I don't think joining a BG will change the guid.. |
| 20:46.17 | foxlit | nevcairiel: no, because the 7 bits of the digit after your 2 are used for unit type. |
| 20:46.17 | Legorol | Antiarc: congratulations on being mentioned on the front page of mmochamp by name. |
| 20:46.19 | Antiarc | No, but you can check others' GUIDs who aren't from your server |
| 20:46.25 | durcyn | and the reason it exists is less likely battlegrounds and more likely the cross-realm instancing |
| 20:46.26 | Antiarc | Legorol: Hehe, thanks |
| 20:46.29 | nevcairiel | foxlit: players have a unit type now? |
| 20:46.38 | foxlit | nevcairiel: They're players, after all :) |
| 20:46.40 | durcyn | S-M-R-T, that's me |
| 20:46.42 | Antiarc | Player not on my server has 0x060 too |
| 20:46.45 | Legorol | Antiarc: now if only you could beat krka's AutoTravel in notoriety |
| 20:46.49 | nevcairiel | then why is it 0 for me, and 80000 for others? |
| 20:46.49 | Legorol | although I guess Omen did that |
| 20:46.54 | DWSR | It's realm. |
| 20:46.59 | foxlit | third byte is always 0 mod 8 for PCs. |
| 20:47.00 | Shirik | everyone on my server shows 0x068 |
| 20:47.05 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 20:47.07 | DWSR | It's realm. |
| 20:47.10 | Shirik | I think it's realm |
| 20:47.13 | Esine | could be... |
| 20:47.19 | Shirik | or battlegroup I guess |
| 20:47.23 | Shirik | do we have a proof it's not battlegroup? |
| 20:47.27 | nevcairiel | no |
| 20:47.38 | durcyn | we don't have proof it isn't penis size |
| 20:47.41 | DWSR | Wait.. |
| 20:47.45 | DWSR | Hold on. |
| 20:47.47 | Antiarc | I'm getting 0x060 off of everyone in this BG |
| 20:47.51 | nevcairiel | creates a new char on another server in the group |
| 20:47.52 | DWSR | Getting people not on my server who are 0x48 |
| 20:47.57 | DWSR | 0x048 |
| 20:47.59 | Esine | Antiarc: even people in a different realm? |
| 20:48.03 | foxlit | It's just allocation blocks. |
| 20:48.04 | DWSR | Esine: Yes. |
| 20:48.12 | Antiarc | Esine: Yes |
| 20:48.20 | DWSR | It's BGroup |
| 20:48.21 | Esine | ok.. so battlegroup? |
| 20:48.29 | Coren{de} | I tried to figure a scheme half a year ago when I met the first non 0x??0*... never found one |
| 20:48.32 | Antiarc | Battlegroup seems likely. |
| 20:48.54 | Legorol | but battlegroup-wide IDs don't make sense.. |
| 20:48.56 | Coren{de} | well, when I first noticed it, met probably earlier many of them :D |
| 20:49.01 | Esine | why not, Legorol? |
| 20:49.02 | Legorol | the only time players would meet is withing a battlegroup |
| 20:49.07 | Legorol | so what does it help accomplish? |
| 20:49.10 | Shirik | agree with Legorol tbh |
| 20:49.11 | nevcairiel | same battlegroup, fresh char, 0x02 too |
| 20:49.14 | Shirik | it doesn't help much |
| 20:49.21 | DWSR | Legorol: Maybe GUIDs are unique, period? |
| 20:49.24 | Esine | but that's the only time those characters will ever meet |
| 20:49.26 | Legorol | well maybe it has no reason that we know of |
| 20:49.45 | Esine | I mean.. players in different battlegroups will never meet |
| 20:49.49 | Legorol | hopes for being able to hop between US and EU |
| 20:49.54 | Legorol | then it would make sense :o) |
| 20:50.02 | nevcairiel | didn't someone say that for global unique IDs we don't have enough numbers in the pool? |
| 20:50.16 | airtonix | are these numbers to do with authenticators? |
| 20:50.17 | Antiarc | Checking a char on another battlegroup. |
| 20:50.23 | Shirik | nevcairiel... |
| 20:50.31 | Coren{de} | and players of the same BG do meet, so the server who hosts those battles must be able to tell them from each other, so minimum uniqueness is BG wide :) |
| 20:50.32 | Esine | that can't be. even 6 bytes would be enough for 16 million player ids |
| 20:50.36 | krka | Legorol: the only notoriety i have is due to myself plugging AT so much in this channel :P |
| 20:50.37 | Shirik | who computed that |
| 20:50.38 | Antiarc | Char on a different battlegroup has a 0x020 |
| 20:50.41 | DWSR | airtonix: No. |
| 20:50.47 | Shirik | a 32 bit number is 4 billion IDs |
| 20:50.48 | airtonix | just in game guid then? |
| 20:50.58 | Esine | oops |
| 20:50.58 | Shirik | even with inefficient allocation, I don't see how you could fill up a 128-bit number |
| 20:51.05 | nevcairiel | Shirik: only the last few bits are used for the unique id, some parts already have another meaning |
| 20:51.10 | Esine | indeed, sorry for my math error ^ |
| 20:51.13 | Shirik | I know, but still |
| 20:51.20 | Antiarc | I get 0x068 on a third battlegroup. |
| 20:51.27 | Shirik | what battlegroup Antiarc? |
| 20:51.31 | Shirik | that's mine |
| 20:51.31 | Antiarc | 0x068 = Emberstorm, 0x060 = Ruin |
| 20:51.31 | airtonix | ahh forgot they allowing you to create groups from all servers now...must be lols for anything using a guid in its addon |
| 20:51.35 | Shirik | Yes, I'm on Emberstorm |
| 20:51.41 | Shirik | it's gotta be battlegroup |
| 20:51.43 | Antiarc | I think we can nail it down to Battlegroup then. |
| 20:51.43 | Esine | we need to list these somewhere |
| 20:51.46 | DWSR | Shadowburn = 0x048 |
| 20:51.51 | Antiarc | Easy enough, I'm testing 'em |
| 20:51.54 | Esine | Antiarc: DWSR, US or EU? |
| 20:51.55 | Antiarc | I'll edit Wowwiki |
| 20:51.56 | DWSR | US |
| 20:51.57 | Antiarc | US |
| 20:51.59 | Esine | ok |
| 20:52.08 | Coren{de} | nev, I'm not sure about that... I recently noticed that GetPlayerInfoByGUID() doesn't give results if the client didn't "see" that player |
| 20:52.31 | nevcairiel | well the client just doesnt know about the player then :P |
| 20:52.36 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 20:52.38 | Fisker | nevcairiel what battlegroup are you in? |
| 20:52.39 | Coren{de} | "see" as in: encountered in any way |
| 20:52.54 | DWSR | Coren{de}: The server's probably doing something to stop that. |
| 20:52.54 | Coren{de} | well, just saying because you said other stuff encoded :) |
| 20:53.26 | Shirik | funny thing is |
| 20:53.30 | Shirik | we can't say it's 0x48 |
| 20:53.32 | Shirik | or 0x68 |
| 20:53.32 | Shirik | etc. |
| 20:53.33 | Antiarc | Wowwiki says that the third bit is "unit type" |
| 20:53.41 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.43 | Coren{de} | yay, GetRealNumPartyMembers() is crapping again :| |
| 20:53.49 | Fisker | i disagree that it's a bit Antiarc |
| 20:53.51 | Shirik | It appears that only the MSB of the third byte is used |
| 20:54.01 | Shirik | er |
| 20:54.02 | Antiarc | Well, 8 & 7 = 0, which is still player |
| 20:54.05 | Shirik | MSB of the LSByte? |
| 20:54.15 | Esine | yeah, so that means the first 9 bits are for the battlegroup? |
| 20:54.19 | Esine | would that make any sense |
| 20:54.27 | DWSR | no |
| 20:54.35 | DWSR | My pet's GUID is 0xF`140813 |
| 20:54.37 | nevcairiel | Fisker: todbringer |
| 20:54.44 | Esine | DWSR: pets are different.. |
| 20:54.46 | Coren{de} | pets are following a totally different logic, DWSR |
| 20:54.48 | Antiarc | Right, the third byte there is "4", which is "pet" |
| 20:54.49 | Shirik | Esine: It also doesn't start at the first |
| 20:54.49 | DWSR | ah |
| 20:55.07 | Shirik | I think the mask looks something like 000111111000 |
| 20:55.14 | Fisker | is that combined with teh Cyclone bg? |
| 20:55.14 | Antiarc | Right |
| 20:55.39 | Esine | Fisker: are you on the EU Cyclone as well? and you were 0x20? |
| 20:55.48 | Antiarc | That's rather tricksy. |
| 20:56.01 | nevcairiel | I'm 0x02 in EU Todbringer |
| 20:56.04 | Fisker | yeah Esine |
| 20:56.21 | nevcairiel | did they link us to cyclone for cross-language BGs? |
| 20:56.32 | Fisker | i don't know |
| 20:56.33 | nevcairiel | wonders |
| 20:56.37 | Esine | nevcairiel: umm.. is that DE? |
| 20:56.40 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 20:56.42 | Esine | Todbringer is for Germany? |
| 20:56.46 | Esine | we are in the EU pool |
| 20:56.48 | Esine | totally different |
| 20:56.49 | Antiarc | So, the first 3 bytes masked with 128 gives you the BG ID |
| 20:56.56 | nevcairiel | EU is EU |
| 20:57.04 | nevcairiel | no matter what language the realms are |
| 20:57.06 | Esine | but Todbringer has only german players |
| 20:57.18 | Shirik | Antiarc |
| 20:57.26 | nevcairiel | cross-language BGs *duh |
| 20:57.26 | Shirik | not 3 bytes I think |
| 20:57.28 | Coren{de} | what does that have to do with anything, Esine? :D |
| 20:57.29 | Shirik | 3 hex digits |
| 20:57.33 | Shirik | which is 1.5 bytes |
| 20:57.46 | ckknight | nybble |
| 20:57.47 | ckknight | om nom nom |
| 20:57.47 | Antiarc | Durr, right |
| 20:57.58 | Fisker | ckknight hack the launcher |
| 20:58.05 | Shirik | First 2 bytes AND 8064 |
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| 20:58.08 | Esine | DE Todbringer has 0x020, EU Cyclone has 0x20. They couldn't link those two Battlegroups together would they? Why would they link a bunch of germans to others who don't speak the language? |
| 20:58.15 | Esine | 0x020* |
| 20:58.23 | Shirik | which is 1F80 |
| 20:58.40 | nevcairiel | cross-language BGs only work by sending one faction against another |
| 20:58.44 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 20:58.51 | nevcairiel | you don't talk to them |
| 20:58.51 | Esine | oh right.. hm yes |
| 20:58.56 | nevcairiel | you can't talk to them :P |
| 20:59.08 | Esine | nevcairiel: so you're horde |
| 20:59.13 | Shirik | are there cross-language BGs? |
| 20:59.14 | nevcairiel | no, alliance |
| 20:59.21 | Esine | oh right nvm |
| 20:59.44 | nevcairiel | Shirik: well US doesnt care, you only have the english BGs =P |
| 20:59.54 | Shirik | which is why I don't know the answer and I'm asking |
| 21:00.07 | nevcairiel | yea they introduced that to the EU |
| 21:00.31 | DWSR | tbh. |
| 21:00.35 | nevcairiel | Cyclone, Todbringer |
| 21:00.35 | nevcairiel | Realms from English Battlegroup Cyclone and German Battlegroup Todbringer will be united as Cyclone / Wirbelsturm. |
| 21:00.39 | nevcairiel | Fisker: ^ |
| 21:00.47 | Fisker | yay |
| 21:00.51 | Fisker | so we have liek liftoff |
| 21:01.05 | DWSR | they should have the whole list of realms linked in |
| 21:01.12 | DWSR | would make queue times awesome. |
| 21:01.18 | nevcairiel | was about time anyway |
| 21:01.23 | nevcairiel | todbringer only had 5 realms |
| 21:01.27 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 21:01.30 | Shirik | I will lift you off |
| 21:01.31 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:01.46 | nevcairiel | So i guess i'm officially in EU Cyclone now :P |
| 21:01.48 | Shirik | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large ¥ |
| 21:01.50 | nevcairiel | theory still holds |
| 21:01.53 | Esine | yeah |
| 21:01.57 | Shirik | wait |
| 21:01.58 | Shirik | no |
| 21:02.00 | Shirik | damn it |
| 21:02.06 | Esine | we need people from more realms to report their guids |
| 21:02.14 | nevcairiel | just create a char :p |
| 21:02.24 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 21:02.37 | Shirik | Fiskers Fisker |
| 21:02.49 | DWSR | US-Emerald Dream (in Shadowburn) is 0x048 |
| 21:02.55 | Esine | do we have a place to share this info in? or just paste your findings here and (I'm) making a list of them |
| 21:03.08 | Antiarc | It almost feels like it's masked backwards |
| 21:03.16 | Fisker | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/battlegroups.html <-i think i can guess why Cyclone is "2" |
| 21:03.25 | Antiarc | consider if 0x048 = 0x14 |
| 21:03.36 | Antiarc | 0x040 = 0x04 |
| 21:03.39 | Antiarc | etc |
| 21:03.43 | Esine | Fisker: you're looking at US cyclone, not EU cyclone :) |
| 21:03.52 | Fisker | no |
| 21:03.54 | nevcairiel | thats EU cyclone |
| 21:03.59 | Fisker | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/info/basics/battlegroups.html |
| 21:04.01 | nevcairiel | btu that page still has the old layout |
| 21:04.06 | Esine | oh nvm |
| 21:04.10 | nevcairiel | doesnt list the cross-language merges yet |
| 21:04.48 | Fisker | I'll bet that it adopts the english battlegroup listing |
| 21:06.18 | Esine | EU Misery is 0x050 |
| 21:06.32 | Fisker | baw |
| 21:06.33 | nevcairiel | well they renamed us to Cyclone (or rather the german word for a cyclone) |
| 21:06.36 | Fisker | i was wrong :( |
| 21:06.50 | nevcairiel | just it never shows anywhere |
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| 21:07.22 | Esine | EU Vindication is 0x070 |
| 21:08.38 | Esine | EU Bloodlust 0x018 |
| 21:10.05 | Esine | 0x048 UI Ruin |
| 21:10.10 | Esine | EU Ruin* |
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| 21:10.52 | Fisker | but we have much more important stuff to find out Esine |
| 21:10.58 | Esine | do we? :) |
| 21:11.06 | Fisker | yes |
| 21:11.13 | Esine | we can finally update wowwiki to tell the world what the first bits mean <3 |
| 21:11.15 | Fisker | What's with the Starcraft stuff in the WoW launcher |
| 21:11.19 | Fisker | and how do we activate it |
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| 21:14.07 | Esine | I wonder when they'll implement threads for the UI stuff in wow :| |
| 21:14.22 | Esine | they should have one thread per addon |
| 21:14.37 | nevcairiel | what for? |
| 21:14.49 | Esine | so that one addon wouldn't make the whole game slow |
| 21:15.02 | Esine | people have cpus with 4 cores now that is completely normal |
| 21:15.13 | nevcairiel | but interaction with the game would require you to synchronize and stuff, a pain |
| 21:15.21 | DWSR | trivial. |
| 21:15.33 | Esine | so they could solve it somehow :3 |
| 21:16.02 | nevcairiel | If addons slow your game down, you should get other addons, anyway =) |
| 21:16.12 | DWSR | I run 200 addons |
| 21:16.14 | krka | lol, threads for uis |
| 21:16.16 | krka | that's funny! |
| 21:16.16 | DWSR | No one slows my game. |
| 21:17.03 | NightHawkTheSane | ... oh yeah, threads for UIs is a great idea. programmers who get paid to knwo that stuff dont always do it well. :P |
| 21:17.07 | krka | given the skill of the average addon developer, i wonder how many race condition we'd have in a typical setup |
| 21:17.13 | Aelo | after creating a frame, should i always use the local reference returned by CreateFrame for the functions afterwards, even if it has a global name? |
| 21:17.19 | krka | multithreading is _hard_ |
| 21:17.19 | NightHawkTheSane | krka: enough to run a marathon |
| 21:17.27 | DWSR | Aelo: Globals are bad. |
| 21:17.28 | DWSR | mkay? |
| 21:17.32 | krka | even for veteran programmers |
| 21:17.41 | foxlit | Aelo: /care, tbh |
| 21:17.55 | Aelo | hehe :) |
| 21:18.24 | foxlit | The local is theoretically faster. Keeping it in scope may be troublesome. The effect will be negligible. |
| 21:18.40 | foxlit | krka: At the same time, most addons do not intersect. |
| 21:18.58 | krka | sure, bot most addons intersect with the wow api and builtin frames |
| 21:18.59 | DWSR | They need to disable DKs from casting path of frost during prep |
| 21:19.06 | krka | imagine tooltip scanning running in parallell? |
| 21:19.14 | krka | big ouch |
| 21:19.38 | foxlit | should be using own tooltip, anyway. |
| 21:19.54 | DWSR | Someone tell me where the Path of Frost sound is located? |
| 21:20.04 | DWSR | Want to put a 0 byte file in there |
| 21:20.39 | Esine | dose wow check the checksums or can you modify the pak files as you wish? |
| 21:21.02 | krka | foxlit: ok bad example i suppose... better example is modification of visual tooltips, or modifying the world map |
| 21:21.20 | Dewin | Esine: I don't think you can modify the MPQ files, but you can override them with certain content |
| 21:21.26 | foxlit | krka: Hooking, in general, sucks. |
| 21:21.32 | Esine | oh? |
| 21:21.33 | DWSR | Esine: You can override sound files. |
| 21:21.34 | NightHawkTheSane | random unrelated question: any opinions on demo spec for leveling a lock? |
| 21:21.38 | krka | like one addon adding secret gear info to tooltips and one addon adding itemlevel, et.c. |
| 21:21.39 | Dewin | I've seen UI packages that override the default font you see on the login screen. |
| 21:21.40 | Esine | ah ok |
| 21:21.41 | DWSR | NHTS: Yes. It's alright. |
| 21:21.44 | foxlit | The world map API is mess even in a single-threaded environment. |
| 21:21.48 | DWSR | NHTS: I would go Aff, but demo's ok. |
| 21:21.54 | DWSR | NHTS: Go Feltard Siphon Life. |
| 21:21.55 | krka | sure, but imagine it multithreaded :) |
| 21:22.23 | Fisker | slaps DWSR around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:22.39 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: short answer: relatively speaking, will i hate myself significantly less as aff? i mostly just want to try demo, cause it seems neat. |
| 21:23.07 | DWSR | The novelty wears off. |
| 21:23.16 | DWSR | Feltard's useful for solo'ing group quests, though |
| 21:23.37 | DWSR | I would personally use a full affliction spec for the 0 downtime and grind potential. |
| 21:23.53 | DWSR | But if you're questing with lots of travel time, Feltard/Siphon Life's probably better. |
| 21:24.10 | NightHawkTheSane | cool. |
| 21:24.36 | NeoTron | demo is kind of sort of boring actually |
| 21:24.41 | NeoTron | oh leveling |
| 21:24.51 | NeoTron | for leveling demo or affliction are good |
| 21:25.20 | DWSR | Demo as a raid spec blows. |
| 21:25.22 | DWSR | I know from experience. |
| 21:25.42 | DWSR | They finally properly nerfed hybrid builds from end game raiding |
| 21:30.06 | DWSR | Awesome. |
| 21:30.10 | DWSR | My minion got renamed Unknown. |
| 21:35.04 | Dewin | DWSR: Well, if you knew your demon's true name you would have power ov... oh, wait, you already do. |
| 21:36.53 | DWSR | All my demons are so damn mouthy. |
| 21:36.59 | DWSR | I always wonder if it's all just a ruse. |
| 21:41.54 | Gnarfoz | re GUIDs: 0x0300000001C3F99F in EU Raserei/whatever the english name is |
| 21:42.20 | Coren{de}_ | Rage, I'd guess... |
| 21:42.57 | Gnarfoz | quite certainly not |
| 21:43.15 | Gnarfoz | whatever EU-Magtheridon is in |
| 21:43.39 | Gnarfoz | conviction |
| 21:43.57 | Gnarfoz | wow-europe listing of battlegroups is weird/outdated |
| 21:45.11 | Gnarfoz | yeah, it's Frenzy now |
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| 21:56.01 | Esine | EU: 010 Blackout, 018 Bloodlust, 020 Cyclone, 048 Ruin, 030 Conviction, 038 Rampage, 040 Reckoning, 050 Misery, 070 Vindication |
| 22:03.32 | Arrowmaster | so ive got a new xbox 360 and 7 new games to play...... and 2 reports due in 1 week....... |
| 22:04.44 | Stanzilla | finishi the reports now and play for the rest of the week, win! |
| 22:04.44 | amro | all you need on 360 is sf4 and a fightstick |
| 22:05.51 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: forget reports, play all week |
| 22:06.02 | Gnarfoz | deal with the shitstorm later |
| 22:06.02 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 22:06.14 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: he'll end like us |
| 22:06.16 | Stanzilla | not good :p |
| 22:06.21 | Stanzilla | we |
| 22:06.23 | Gnarfoz | true |
| 22:06.24 | Stanzilla | tired. |
| 22:06.35 | Gnarfoz | and us was correct |
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| 22:08.00 | Stanzilla | yes I know |
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| 22:32.10 | WobWork | Gnarfoz: no bankstack isn't mine |
| 22:33.04 | Gnarfoz | WobWork: ah... wtf. Kemayo it is. |
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| 22:34.59 | DWSR | what colour is spell pen? |
| 22:35.05 | DWSR | red? |
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| 22:36.03 | kdtresh | spell pen is blue |
| 22:36.43 | kdtresh | http://www.wowwiki.com/Northrend_gems_by_stats |
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| 22:38.41 | DWSR | oh, awesome. |
| 22:38.43 | DWSR | bookmarks |
| 22:39.05 | Aelo | is there anything i should know about UIDropDownMenu_SetSelectedID? it seems to be bugging on me |
| 22:39.19 | foxlit | Yes. Don't use it. |
| 22:39.29 | Aelo | what should i use instead? |
| 22:39.53 | foxlit | the checked key of the info entry when you call _AddButton |
| 22:40.25 | foxlit | The problem is that none of the _SetSelected* work unless your menu currently owns the dropdown infrastructure. |
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| 22:40.35 | Aelo | oh |
| 22:41.16 | Aelo | what values can the checked key be? |
| 22:41.18 | Aelo | nil / 1? |
| 22:41.30 | DWSR | There needs to be gems that are double primary stats. |
| 22:41.44 | DWSR | Like Strength/Agi gems |
| 22:41.46 | foxlit | Yep |
| 22:41.49 | DWSR | Call them ruby or something retarded. |
| 22:42.08 | Dagmar | "of awesomeness" |
| 22:42.28 | Dagmar | Bright Cardinal Ruby of Awesomeness, +32 strength |
| 22:42.31 | NightHawkTheSane | str/agi seems pointless. :P |
| 22:42.51 | foxlit | ap/crit! |
| 22:42.56 | foxlit | /dodge |
| 22:43.01 | Aelo | foxlit: what would i do in the OnClick handler for each element? atm i'm using SetSelectedID |
| 22:43.13 | NightHawkTheSane | crit is yellow, so ap/crit should be fine ;) |
| 22:43.25 | foxlit | Don't do anything, Aelo -- set your internal state only |
| 22:43.27 | cogwheel | wtb working links in FB for android |
| 22:44.03 | foxlit | The check is toggled automatically; plus, the menu closes, and next time is opened, your initializer function runs again, so your internal state would lead to the check appearing |
| 22:44.07 | DWSR | No, not giving double the stats. |
| 22:44.17 | DWSR | Just splitting between two stats of the same colour. |
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| 22:44.32 | DWSR | So +12str/+10agi |
| 22:45.07 | Aelo | foxlit: so i just set one of the list entry's checked to 1, then do nothing? |
| 22:46.45 | foxlit | Aelo: check out http://pastey.net/128109 |
| 22:46.48 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: i cant really think of who str/agi would be useful for. but [str|agi|dodge]/exp might be nice |
| 22:47.03 | DWSR | NHTS: It was just an example to illustrate my point. |
| 22:47.03 | Nechckn | pe |
| 22:47.10 | foxlit | They're in the wrong order, but it illustrates the components |
| 22:47.13 | Nechckn | bah.. nvm me |
| 22:49.53 | foxlit | Updated with the correct order and stuff |
| 22:52.27 | Lunessa | So, looking into extending the life of a charge on my iPhone's battery reveals that yes, noob default settings eat battery charge like a fat kid at a cake buffet. |
| 22:53.20 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm... cake |
| 22:55.34 | Lunessa | mmmm |
| 22:56.02 | DWSR | There's no Spell pen resilience gem? |
| 22:56.03 | DWSR | Wtf? |
| 22:56.20 | foxlit | Most ratings don't combine |
| 22:56.29 | foxlit | You either get pure rating, pure stat, or stat/rating |
| 22:57.03 | DWSR | spell pen resil is exactly what I want atm though |
| 22:57.09 | foxlit | So get two gems |
| 22:57.16 | DWSR | 1 socket. |
| 22:57.19 | DWSR | And it's yellow. |
| 22:57.23 | foxlit | Sucks to be you :) |
| 22:58.25 | foxlit | Hm, actually, spell pen combines with some other ratings, so nevermind me. |
| 22:58.48 | Dagmar | Just hit up wow gem finder |
| 22:58.49 | Dagmar | Much easier |
| 23:00.20 | DWSR | table's faster, imo. |
| 23:00.30 | DWSR | gem finder's interface is slow. reloading the whole page is dumb |
| 23:00.43 | Dagmar | Woeks fast enough on my machine |
| 23:00.52 | DWSR | Dagmar: The table is fast as thought |
| 23:00.54 | Dagmar | Feel free to submit them a more optimized mechanism |
| 23:01.24 | DWSR | I wonder what they'll think if I link them that table and go "Please make it this fast" |
| 23:01.27 | durcyn | hmm. anyone aware of a web-based OpenSSL CA management app that _doesn't_ require jboss like the one i found? :( |
| 23:02.02 | DWSR | durcyn: Snatch all of B5? |
| 23:02.20 | Dagmar | durcyn: CACert. ;) |
| 23:02.47 | durcyn | Dagmar: oh, i was thinking internal, but that could definitely work |
| 23:02.55 | durcyn | DWSR: haven't even registered yet, i'm still at work |
| 23:02.56 | Dagmar | It's what I use |
| 23:03.12 | Dagmar | Definitely less hassle finding people at a signing party than it was to finish writing my own |
| 23:03.29 | durcyn | Dagmar: eh, it's for internal webservers primarily, is the thing |
| 23:03.36 | Dagmar | EVen better |
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| 23:13.37 | Adys | Shirik: ping |
| 23:23.51 | NightHawkTheSane | I.. er.. what...?!? http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=32333269 (probably nsfw) |
| 23:24.19 | DWSR | Just... |
| 23:24.21 | DWSR | Dude. |
| 23:24.24 | DWSR | What the fuck. |
| 23:26.12 | Thunder_Child | makes sense i guess, now like breasts you wont have to wonder what it looks liek |
| 23:26.14 | Thunder_Child | like* |
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| 23:26.32 | Thunder_Child | assuming you wondered in the first place |
| 23:28.32 | Dagmar | Etsy people are a little odd. |
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| 23:33.01 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 23:33.17 | Lunessa | Facebook keeps suggesting that I know the CEO of Blizzard. |
| 23:33.31 | NeoTron | o you? |
| 23:33.36 | Thunder_Child | you do |
| 23:33.43 | durcyn | he knows you. |
| 23:33.47 | kdtresh | facebook keeps telling me i have to update my account and to click their easy link for their enhanced security policies |
| 23:33.53 | Thunder_Child | besides, there are 2 CEO's |
| 23:34.39 | Lopeppeppy | hides behind Lunessa some more. |
| 23:34.44 | Lunessa | Yes, but it makes me laugh to think that FB decided I know him on some sort of personal level because... well, some of my friends do. |
| 23:34.52 | Lunessa | protects Lopeppeppy. |
| 23:35.18 | Thunder_Child | ...ptr installer is freezing explorer |
| 23:35.20 | Thunder_Child | fail |
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| 23:43.08 | Lunessa | FAIL! |
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