IRC log for #wowuidev on 20091108

`00:00.15`	`foxlit`	`But apparently forgot their FrameXML code.`
`00:03.18`	`*** join/#wowuidev theorb (n=theorb@91.84.53.6)`
`00:06.53`	`Shirik`	`Lol, I love C++`
`00:06.55`	`Shirik`	`http://codepad.org/PeUYFwzQ`
`00:07.12`	`Shirik`	`that is valid code (admittedly architecture-dependent code)`
`00:07.30`	`haste`	`nice`
`00:07.43`	`foxlit`	`And not compiler-dependent?`
`00:07.50`	`Shirik`	`I don't believe so`
`00:08.06`	`Shirik`	`main uses C calling convention and naming convention`
`00:08.24`	`Shirik`	`I mean, that's essentially irrelevant`
`00:08.30`	`Shirik`	`so long as the compiler and linker agree on the convention`
`00:09.18`	`ScytheBlade1`	`95% done installing FO3 to hard drive!`
`00:09.52`	`Shirik`	`FO3?`
`00:09.54`	`Shirik`	`fallout?`
`00:10.03`	`Shirik`	`What happened to LFD2?`
`00:10.06`	`Shirik`	`L4D2`
`00:10.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`It isn't released yet?`
`00:10.55`	`Shirik`	`demo!`
`00:11.21`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Already installed`
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`00:22.31`	`haste`	`Shirik: explain it now!`
`00:22.33`	`haste`	`now!`
`00:22.40`	`Shirik`	`?`
`00:22.46`	`Shirik`	`the code?`
`00:22.51`	`haste`	`your love for C++ based on whatever it does`
`00:22.52`	`Shirik`	`It's just like shellcode, shoved straight into main`
`00:23.14`	`Shirik`	`most people consider main to be a function, but really it's just a special symbol, you can put anything you want there`
`00:25.24`	`Corrodias`	`happened to it? it's preloadable now, and is to be released on the 17th`
`00:26.15`	`Dewin`	`Shirik: If you were able to brute-force the compiler into doing certain things, I imagine you can do that with just about any function`
`00:26.25`	`Shirik`	`of course`
`00:26.55`	`Dewin`	`I wrote mods for FFXI that hooked into it and searched for a function signature which it could then call directly. ;)`
`00:30.20`	`ccox`	`Shit. I want groceries, but I've started running a fever. Do I want a salad, or do I want to be a responsible adult and stay home?`
`00:31.15`	`Dewin`	`ccox: How well stocked are you on food to last out your fever?`
`00:31.27`	`ccox`	`if it lasts a week or less, I'm fine.`
`00:31.48`	`ccox`	`I'm just out of salad, milk and tomato soup.`
`00:32.32`	`Torhal`	`ccox: Fuck it. Go start the Zombie Apocalypse.`
`00:36.22`	`ccox`	`Sigh. Guess it's a night with Ibuprofen and cable movies.`
`00:36.43`	`Shirik`	`ccox: order pizza`
`00:36.57`	`ccox`	`hmm, I think shirik has a winning idea.`
`00:37.11`	`Shirik`	`I might do that myself actually`
`00:45.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`...you 2 are making me hungry`
`00:45.56`	`Torhal`	`If you say "for brains", then I fear someone else started the Zombie Apocalypse.`
`00:46.45`	`Thunder_Child`	`no, for pizza`
`00:47.01`	`ccox`	`(also, Safeway deliver is now available in my area -- so if I get desparate, that's available)`
`00:47.12`	`Torhal`	`Good thing I just ate, else I'd be forced to spend an insane amount of money on the same thing`
`00:56.29`	`Kraps`	`http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/07/world/asia/07china.html?_r=1`
`01:00.53`	`foxlit`	`Hm, interesting`
`01:01.31`	`foxlit`	`Find another player, click Compare Achievements, compare scrolling performance between the top ("you both completed") and bottom ("neither of you completed") sections of the list. The latter is abysmal.`
`01:14.11`	`Shirik`	`Fisker`
`01:14.14`	`Shirik`	`you have been destroyed`
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`01:39.12`	`kd3`	`...goddamnit`
`01:39.21`	`kd3`	`lost a few hours to tvtropes again`
`01:39.44`	`Shirik`	`pokes kd3`
`01:41.18`	`Wobin`	`http://www.openofficemouse.com/pr110609.html`
`01:42.08`	`Shirik`	`tackles Cairenn`
`01:42.20`	`Cairenn`	`huggles Shirik`
`01:42.42`	`Trela`	`That mouse really looks like an April Fool's joke.`
`01:43.07`	`Wobin`	`It totally does`
`01:43.18`	`Wobin`	`until you see http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-naga/`
`01:44.16`	`Trela`	`o.o`
`01:44.20`	`Trela`	`Idiots, all of them.`
`01:45.12`	`Shirik`	`wtf?`
`01:45.17`	`Shirik`	`who would use that`
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`01:45.35`	`foxlit`	`My WoW calendar still shows Pilgrim's Bounty on the 8th :/`
`01:45.37`	`Shirik`	`I understand it for gaming, but for office?`
`01:46.00`	`Corrodias`	`i don't know, i like my 3 button mouse ._.`
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`01:46.27`	`foxlit`	`psst, get a 5-button mouse (at least!)`
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`01:47.58`	`Corrodias`	`i can't stand buttons on the sides. i'm trying to GRIP the mouse. i don't want to be pushing buttons accidentally (which i do a lot on an unfamiliar mouse with sideb uttons)`
`01:48.25`	`kd3`	`meh; you get used to it`
`01:48.35`	`kd3`	`I've got a side wheel on my mx revo and two side buttons above it`
`01:48.46`	`Shirik`	`My mouse is very grippable, the buttons aren't in the way at all`
`01:48.54`	`kd3`	`they way I usually grab it I don't hit anything I don't want to`
`01:48.59`	`Shirik`	`in fact, it has a button in a place that is extremely useful, but I didn't notice for the first week I had the mouse`
`01:49.12`	`Shirik`	`I finally grabbed it in a strange way and I was like "wtf there's a button there?"`
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`02:02.43`	`olafski`	`if openoffice had ribbons they wouldn't need so many buttons on the mouse`
`02:02.57`	`olafski`	`on a side note I love my side buttons ;)`
`02:03.03`	`olafski`	`think I have an mx revo too`
`02:03.24`	`Ginji`	`You only need one button, one to press play with`
`02:06.41`	`Bruners`	`Shirik: what mouse?`
`02:07.00`	`foxlit`	`"Screw everything, we're going to ZERO BUTTONS!" >> http://www.apple.com/magicmouse/`
`02:07.02`	`Bruners`	`Corrodias: im guessing you are a mac user`
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`02:07.20`	`Corrodias`	`no, it's been mostly windows for many years now`
`02:08.14`	`Bruners`	`i dont believe you, only a mac user would say that`
`02:08.28`	`olafski`	`You canât help but marvel at its smooth, buttonless appearance. <-- hahahahaha`
`02:08.40`	`Shirik`	`foxlit: Need to pair that with no keyboard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA`
`02:11.16`	`Corrodias`	`i'm just stodgy. i don't like too many fancy macro buttons.`
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`02:19.06`	`Shirik`	`pizza is here!!`
`02:19.10`	`Shirik`	`ccox, did you get pizza?`
`02:19.30`	`ccox`	`not yet`
`02:19.37`	`ccox`	`planning to order around 7 or 8`
`02:19.44`	`Shirik`	`oh it's 9 for me :P`
`02:25.42`	`ccox`	`well, I'm on the west coast`
`02:25.53`	`Shirik`	`well you should come back to the east coast where all the cool people are`
`02:26.41`	`batrick`	`u r`
`02:26.49`	`Shirik`	`I know I am`
`02:26.58`	`batrick`	`hi shirik`
`02:27.14`	`Shirik`	`hiii`
`02:27.32`	`Thunder_Child`	`batshit`
`02:27.35`	`Thunder_Child`	`just batshit`
`02:27.51`	`Shirik`	`insane?`
`02:28.00`	`Thunder_Child`	`crazy actually`
`02:28.24`	`batrick`	`i am?`
`02:28.24`	`Shirik`	`say it ain't so`
`02:29.05`	`Thunder_Child`	`'it ain't so'`
`02:29.05`	`batrick`	`If you think about it, batshit is a recipe for insanity. Think how crazy bat's must get shitting upside down.`
`02:29.22`	`Thunder_Child`	`they dont shit upsidedown`
`02:29.27`	`batrick`	`YES THEYD O`
`02:29.36`	`Thunder_Child`	`anymore than you shit in bed`
`02:32.08`	`Shirik`	`maybe he does`
`02:32.10`	`Shirik`	`you don't know that`
`02:33.56`	`Wobin`	`pilgrim's bounty in about 7hrs for me`
`02:34.08`	`Wobin`	`crazy as a coconut?`
`02:34.15`	`Wobin`	`That boy needs therapy!`
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`02:38.18`	`Cide-`	`hi`
`02:38.36`	`Wobin`	`Shirik, I love how all the youtube comments on the Onion report are all like "zomg, that's so stupid, why would Apple do that!"`
`02:38.43`	`Shirik`	`it's youtube`
`02:38.48`	`Shirik`	`what do you expect`
`02:38.50`	`Wobin`	`srs bsnss!`
`02:38.50`	`Shirik`	`hi Cide`
`02:39.15`	`Thunder_Child`	`no Cide-`
`02:40.00`	`Cide`	`ohi`
`02:40.31`	`Shirik`	`stabulates Cide`
`02:40.49`	`Cide`	`sspaces Shirik`
`02:40.56`	`Shirik`	`huh?`
`02:41.05`	`Cide`	`huh?`
`02:41.14`	`Shirik`	`o__________________________________o`
`02:41.28`	`Bruners`	`its apple, they do all kinds of stupid shit`
`02:41.43`	`Cide`	`ok so riddle me this`
`02:41.59`	`Cide`	`when playing borderlands, some textures are pure black instead of what they should be`
`02:42.09`	`Cide`	`the same ones every time`
`02:42.14`	`Cide`	`what's a likely cause?`
`02:42.39`	`Corrodias`	`video drivers, game bugs`
`02:42.49`	`Cide`	`I've tried three different video drivers`
`02:42.57`	`Cide`	`seems like a strange game bug though`
`02:43.02`	`Corrodias`	`all right, verify the game files if you're on Steam, otherwise hop on the forums`
`02:43.07`	`Cide`	`since I've only heard of 1 other player who's had it`
`02:43.09`	`Corrodias`	`and see if somebody else has the problem`
`02:43.11`	`Cide`	`I verifieed the files`
`02:43.22`	`Cide`	`and only one person has said they have the same problem`
`02:43.25`	`Corrodias`	`i have no other advice, sorry. never played it.`
`02:43.46`	`Corrodias`	`nor have i heard of something similar except in other games where it was from video drivers, i think.`
`02:43.48`	`Cide`	`was just theorizing in general`
`02:43.58`	`Shirik`	`lighting bug is my guess`
`02:44.26`	`Corrodias`	`Mass Effect had a similar problem with lava... it had something to do with precompiled pixel shaders`
`02:44.28`	`Cide`	`would it only affect me and 1 other user though?`
`02:44.40`	`Cide`	`well obviously more`
`02:44.47`	`Corrodias`	`i think. the memory is fuzzy. but it's something to look into, maybe.`
`02:44.49`	`Cide`	`but so rare that only one other person has said anything on the forums`
`02:44.50`	`Shirik`	`perhaps they are using a certain type of effect that is unsupported on your hardware`
`02:45.02`	`Shirik`	`or maybe it's a bug in a specific configuration of hardware`
`02:45.05`	`Cide`	`should be noted both of us are running win7 x64`
`02:45.12`	`foxlit`	`WoW suffered from similar issues earlier.`
`02:45.19`	`foxlit`	`(way earlier)`
`02:45.42`	`Cide`	`well, my graphics card isn't that bad (radeon x1950xtx 512mb)`
`02:45.53`	`Cide`	`my friend has no such issues with a much crappier card`
`02:46.20`	`foxlit`	`There doesn't have to be a correlation there.`
`02:46.30`	`Cide`	`not necessarily`
`02:46.40`	`foxlit`	`Your specific, possibly quite awesome, card could be suffering from some unexpected software/hardware conflict.`
`02:46.44`	`Cide`	`but w.r.t. a certain type of effect being unsopported there generally is`
`02:47.22`	`Shirik`	`Google voice's voicemail to email is so.... strange`
`02:47.25`	`Shirik`	`"Transcript: Bill by now, ohh. It's, Andrew calling back, because we had talked about form of financing the befalls on Tuesday. Number Number number. Okay, call me back. "`
`02:47.59`	`Shirik`	`apparently I need to finance the befalls`
`02:48.05`	`Cide`	`I like how it figured out that it wasn't just "oh", it was most certainly an "ohh"`
`02:48.32`	`Shirik`	`LMAO`
`02:48.42`	`Shirik`	`"Bill by now" is Google's translation of my last name`
`02:48.49`	`Shirik`	`because this guy usually calls me by my last name`
`02:49.16`	`Cide`	`wtf? that's not even close`
`02:49.23`	`Cide`	`unless I don't know your last name`
`02:49.24`	`Shirik`	`hahaha`
`02:49.34`	`Cide`	`but I think I do`
`02:49.37`	`Shirik`	`"Number number number" is him going "Remember? Remember? Remember?!" It was pretty close`
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`03:31.02`	`Shirik`	`!nick Shir`
`03:31.30`	`Shirik`	`:/ didn't jnwhiteh have some kind of way to pick out "pronouncable" words?`
`03:31.35`	`Shirik`	`on his bot?`
`03:32.34`	`Wobin`	`hehe meta http://videogum.com/archives/supercuts/i_love_your_mr_star_wars_and_o_099461.html`
`03:34.04`	`Trela`	`That video is lame. :(`
`03:34.15`	`Hirsute-Away`	`What an amazing douche bag... So I'm in felwood killing oozes for a warlock quest, and some level 80 DK comes by, tags everything in the area, and says, "Sorry bud, my fucking territory." So I wait for repops, and kill stuff when they come, he comes back on his next circuit to find them all dead again and cusses me out.`
`03:34.42`	`Gnarfoz`	`should have replied with "sorry bud, my fucking territory" :p`
`03:35.08`	`Hirsute-Away`	`I didn't say anything to him, just did my quest and went about my business.`
`03:37.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I'd be half tempted to report him for language`
`03:38.00`	`ScytheBlade1`	`As you can't report him for being a prick`
`03:38.01`	`Wobin`	`It works -really- well if you condescend ridiculously`
`03:38.05`	`Wobin`	`eg`
`03:38.10`	`Wobin`	`pats ScytheBlade1 on the cheek.`
`03:38.19`	`Wobin`	`gestures. Go on. Shoo!`
`03:38.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`flips out and stabs Wobin`
`03:38.25`	`Wobin`	`smiles warmly at ScytheBlade1`
`03:38.28`	`Wobin`	`See?`
`03:39.04`	`Wobin`	`And you get the satisfaction of knowing that they're sitting at their keyboard, seething =)`
`03:39.14`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Too bad you're quickly bleeding to death`
`03:39.34`	`Wobin`	`It's because people take emotes as being serious business =P`
`03:39.44`	`Wobin`	`Or you do the cardinal sin.`
`03:39.51`	`Wobin`	`and involve them involuntarily in your emotes`
`03:39.56`	`Wobin`	`eg`
`03:40.10`	`Wobin`	`watches as ScytheBlade1 trips and falls on his face, breaking his nose.`
`03:40.17`	`Wobin`	`chuckles.`
`03:40.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Honestly your first round was better`
`03:40.30`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That was meh`
`03:40.33`	`Wobin`	`yeah`
`03:40.41`	`Wobin`	`that's always the last resort kind of thing`
`03:40.54`	`Wobin`	`it's always more successful to induce the emotions in the target`
`03:40.56`	`Wobin`	`not force it`
`03:40.57`	`Trela`	`HAAXXXXXXXXXSSSS! Throws a monitor at Wobin.`
`03:41.38`	`Wobin`	`Cause there's always that line, where vermisilitude stops`
`03:41.39`	`ScytheBlade1`	`Why the crap must they make chrome so easy and fast to build on linux :/`
`03:41.53`	`Wobin`	`but if you make them feel the emotion themselves, it's more real =P`
`03:41.54`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I've been rebuilding it from SVN several times a day as a result :/`
`03:42.03`	`Wobin`	`ScytheBlade1, OCD?`
`03:42.03`	`Trela`	`So damn bored.`
`03:42.24`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That and I just go "./build.sh" which runs about four commands and produces a nice .tar.gz for me`
`03:42.27`	`ScytheBlade1`	`64-bit, too`
`03:42.31`	`Wobin`	`noice`
`03:43.42`	`Hirsute`	`They're obviously trying to kill your productivity, ScytheBlade1.`
`03:44.21`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I've got 20 or so various files in my home dir right now`
`03:44.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`<timestamp>-chrome.tar.gz`
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`03:53.50`	`Wobin`	`http://www.myfoxatlanta.com/dpp/news/dpgo_man-kicked-out-of-first-class-united-1103091257311179959`
`03:53.51`	`Wobin`	`...`
`03:54.12`	`Wobin`	`jeeze, you pay that much to get told to dress better? =P`
`03:54.58`	`Corrodias`	`apparently paying exhorbitant prices to get the shaft by airlines and airports isn't enough`
`03:55.06`	`Corrodias`	`you need to be told off and utterly denied service, too`
`04:02.44`	`Wobin`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6Vbtdvp2Vc&feature=player_embedded#`
`04:04.22`	`Wobin`	`" Theyre then ground by hand which ensures no damage to the bean"`
`04:04.24`	`Wobin`	`wtf?`
`04:05.00`	`Corrodias`	`maybe he means you use just your hands, thus you can't actually grind the bean.`
`04:05.04`	`Corrodias`	`so it takes no damage`
`04:06.07`	`Wobin`	`hehe`
`04:06.08`	`tem`	`Bibi, this MLG crap on your site is unbearable`
`04:06.15`	`Wobin`	`it's got a little grinding jar`
`04:06.28`	`tem`	`it makes Chrome have a heart attack`
`04:06.30`	`Wobin`	`it also looks like it takes up to half an hour to make a cup`
`04:06.33`	`Wobin`	`or something`
`04:06.35`	`tem`	`and it takes like forever to load your page`
`04:06.40`	`tem`	`it's unacceptable`
`04:06.52`	`Wobin`	`MLG?`
`04:07.01`	`Yssaril`	`is there a way to check if a table is a frame?`
`04:07.49`	`Arrowmaster`	`check index 0`
`04:08.06`	`Arrowmaster`	`type(f[0]) == "userdata"`
`04:08.23`	`tem`	`Wobin, it's some kind of pvp thing`
`04:08.57`	`*** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys)`
`04:09.07`	`tem`	`Adys, you do stuff for mmochamp`
`04:09.18`	`tem`	`I hold you personally responsible for this affront to the user experience`
`04:09.28`	`Wobin`	`tem, it's all flat html, isn't it?`
`04:09.48`	`tem`	`this horrible octoshape streaming thing is unbearable`
`04:09.57`	`Yssaril`	`Arrowmaster: sweet thanks`
`04:10.28`	`Arrowmaster`	`didnt blizz use octoshape for the WWI`
`04:10.31`	`tem`	`Wobin, you must be overlooking the massive block of flash abortion at the top of the page`
`04:10.36`	`Yssaril`	`i agree with tem i avoid mmochamps till that is gone`
`04:10.49`	`Wobin`	`tem, ah, I have flashblock`
`04:11.01`	`tem`	`aha`
`04:11.07`	`Wobin`	`doesn't allow any flash to load unless specifically clicked`
`04:16.03`	`kd3`	`yay noscript`
`04:20.16`	`Corrodias`	`i have both, which sometimes mean i have to allow things 3 times, but that's fine`
`04:20.58`	`ccox`	`BURP - half a pizza later...`
`04:21.41`	`Yssaril`	`need an opinon I am working on a dungeon loot addon. The loot is sorted by type itemlevel etc and all loot that is not cached is sorted to the bottom of the list since there is no info for it. I now have a way to savely query the server for missing items.`
`04:21.49`	`Yssaril`	`i have 3 ways of updating the display`
`04:22.05`	`Yssaril`	`i can add a button that forces the scanning of noncached items`
`04:22.22`	`Yssaril`	`i can automatically scan the items and resort the list as i get updates`
`04:22.43`	`Yssaril`	`or i can auto scan the items and not resort but provide a resort button`
`04:23.38`	`Yssaril`	`any thoughts?`
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`04:32.13`	`Wobin`	`http://i.imgur.com/eG35W.jpg`
`04:32.19`	`Wobin`	`is somewhat freaked out =P`
`04:33.06`	`Jerub`	`Wobin: that's one hell of a mutation`
`04:33.32`	`Yssaril`	`how to shake your own hand :P`
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`04:36.44`	`Thunder_Child`	`i love how badly google vioce transcribes "I just wanted to give you an update, you know. The of God will be home a little bit earlier, but she just has a little bit of a yeah. How you doing infection and I can't take it works, how you were doing tract infection that that they put her on antibiotics and so if I get in there. She's nicely drugged out if and otherwise."`
`04:38.31`	`Wobin`	`Thunder_Child, rofl`
`04:38.53`	`Wobin`	`wth is a "yeah how you doing" infection? =)`
`04:39.17`	`Wobin`	`I suspect it tries to match on subject and associated possible words =P`
`04:40.11`	`Thunder_Child`	`Wobin that is actually suppsoed to be uterus infection`
`04:46.07`	`Wobin`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRiUjXp_BOE&feature=channel`
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`04:47.39`	`Wobin`	`that's not something you'd see in many prisons`
`04:48.01`	`Wobin`	`at least in regards to the openly cross dressing ones =P`
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`05:02.10`	`tem`	`So, I completely missed the release of The Gathering Storm`
`05:02.28`	`tem`	`I picked it up this evening`
`05:02.31`	`tem`	`and it's enormous`
`05:02.43`	`Thunder_Child`	`does it make you wet?`
`05:03.10`	`tem`	`if I were capable, yes`
`05:03.31`	`Thunder_Child`	`it's a game?`
`05:05.10`	`Wobin`	`oh Wheel of Time`
`05:05.28`	`Wobin`	`Thunder_Child, it's a book`
`05:05.44`	`Wobin`	`Robert Jordan died, so Brendan Sanderson is taking over the series`
`05:06.08`	`Wobin`	`s/Brendan/Brandon/`
`05:06.26`	`Thunder_Child`	`why is another writer taking over someone elses series?`
`05:06.36`	`Wobin`	`Cause he's... dead`
`05:06.44`	`Wobin`	`like I said =P`
`05:07.05`	`Thunder_Child`	`i am quite sure that doesnt usually happen`
`05:07.11`	`Thunder_Child`	`not the dead part`
`05:07.27`	`Wobin`	`the final volume of the series was partially written`
`05:07.33`	`Thunder_Child`	`this i know`
`05:07.39`	`Wobin`	`and Mr Jordan was the type to keep lots of notes`
`05:07.43`	`Wobin`	`and he knew he was dying`
`05:08.02`	`Thunder_Child`	`this i know as well, something about dictating some stuff to his wife no lesss`
`05:08.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`-s`
`05:08.16`	`Wobin`	`so if he believed he would not live long enough to put it out, why not see if someone is willing to finish the job?`
`05:09.11`	`Wobin`	`tem, if it's so huge, imagine how big it'd've been if it were one book, since The Gathering Storm is only 1/3 of it`
`05:09.58`	`Wobin`	`Thunder_Child, ah, there you go. Jordan's wife (his editor) chose Sanderson`
`05:10.06`	`fl1st4r`	`uhmm how can i test my addon in english ? i need to download WoW in english or i can change language ?`
`05:11.21`	`tem`	`Wobin, honestly, I'd prefer one single ouragously large book`
`05:11.33`	`tem`	`but I can live with 3 installments of 8-900 pages instead`
`05:11.45`	`tem`	`I still think it's a bullshit marketing ploy to make more money, though`
`05:12.00`	`Wobin`	`naturally`
`05:12.17`	`Wobin`	`I mean, people have waited this long, they'd happily wait longer for the full thing`
`05:12.29`	`Wobin`	`Especially since they know it's going to be written`
`05:14.24`	`olafski`	`that google voice looks pretty neat.. how come I've never heard of it before today :<`
`05:15.32`	`olafski`	`guess because it's not available here :<`
`05:15.34`	`Thunder_Child`	`shrug`
`05:17.01`	`olafski`	`shame, it looks really cool :P oh well, maybe someday`
`05:17.14`	`Wobin`	`yeah`
`05:17.16`	`Wobin`	`only the US`
`05:17.27`	`Wobin`	`damn them`
`05:19.13`	`olafski`	`yer :(`
`05:19.15`	`olafski`	`well, nn ;p`
`05:19.20`	`olafski`	`6.19am :<`
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`06:40.10`	`ghostpirate95`	`does this look terribly wrong to anyone:`
`06:40.14`	`ghostpirate95`	`./script local arg1, arg2, arg3, arg4, arg5, arg6, arg7, arg8 = ...; if ( event == "CHAT_MSG_WHISPER" and arg6 == "GM" ) then PlaySoundFile("Sound\\Creature\\ShadeOfAran\\AranGameOver01.wav") end`
`06:41.07`	`smoke__`	`is there a way to make the border of the backdrop a different color than the actual color of the backdrop?`
`06:47.22`	`Cairenn`	`tekkub: you calling me a pig?!`
`06:47.32`	`tekkub`	`haha I knew that was going to happen`
`06:47.37`	`Cairenn`	`grin`
`06:47.44`	`tekkub`	`no, I just grabbed the stuff on my desk and copied funny shit`
`06:47.45`	`Cairenn`	`huggles tekkub`
`06:48.02`	`tekkub`	`aparently the enzyme cleaner for my contacts is a pork product`
`06:48.09`	`Cairenn`	`odd`
`06:50.04`	`ghostpirate95`	`did anyone notice anything wrong with the script i posted?`
`06:50.24`	`Cairenn`	`hmmm, wonder - can people who are strict followers of Islam or Judaism use that contact lens solution then?`
`06:50.39`	`Cairenn`	`they aren't 'eating' it, but ....`
`06:51.01`	`tekkub`	`it might be hard to go without it if they have contacts like mine`
`06:51.16`	`tekkub`	`I'm trying to catch up on 4 months without it because the dr never told me to use it`
`06:51.34`	`tekkub`	`and this pair of contacts is driving me nuts because of the protein buildup`
`06:51.36`	`Cairenn`	`(or followers of the Christian Old Testament)`
`06:58.59`	`Cairenn`	`sorry for the randomness of that, and the interruption`
`06:59.43`	`Wobin`	`ghostpirate95, I don't think you can use script that way`
`06:59.52`	`tekkub`	`oh god I just thought of the perfect one Cairenn`
`06:59.59`	`tekkub`	`Do not use if seal is broken`
`07:00.04`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`07:00.13`	`Cairenn`	`pokes tekkub`
`07:00.58`	`tekkub`	`ugh I need something to do`
`07:01.03`	`tekkub`	`leveling solo is so booooring`
`07:01.08`	`Wobin`	`"Popup seal indicates freshness"?`
`07:01.13`	`tekkub`	`and I've run out of addons to write`
`07:01.38`	`tekkub`	`Store at room temperature`
`07:03.00`	`Wobin`	`Refridgerate after opening`
`07:05.02`	`Wobin`	`"Contents may have settled during transport"`
`07:05.25`	`Cairenn`	`Wobin: you saying my tits are saggy?`
`07:05.48`	`Wobin`	`"May contain traces of nuts" =)`
`07:05.58`	`Cairenn`	`sometimes`
`07:07.00`	`tekkub`	`Dispose of batteries properly`
`07:07.07`	`Cairenn`	`snickers`
`07:07.30`	`Dagmar`	`"An employee who once worked at the bakery down the street from the factory where this product was made may have at one time eaten peanuts."`
`07:07.31`	`tekkub`	`I'm running out of shit on my desk`
`07:07.52`	`Cairenn`	`Dagmar: lol`
`07:08.26`	`Dagmar`	`Cairenn: As sad as this sounds, I've gotten stuff before that said "The facility which produced this product also makes products which contain peanuts"`
`07:08.36`	`Dagmar`	`...which just blows me away.`
`07:08.39`	`Cairenn`	`oh, that I've seen before`
`07:08.53`	`Dagmar`	`It makes it sound like it's not an allergy but a moral dilemna`
`07:08.55`	`tekkub`	`yea`
`07:09.13`	`tekkub`	`people that are alergic to peanuts tend to be severly alergic`
`07:09.39`	`tekkub`	`my mom's had a few kids that were and they had to bring their own snacks and shit just to be certain`
`07:09.53`	`Dagmar`	`Yeah next time my boss crosses me I'm going to start bringin in snack bars that are those solid bricks of peanuts glued together with syrup`
`07:10.03`	`Wobin`	`warning about cross contaimination`
`07:10.04`	`tekkub`	`nut rolls!`
`07:10.07`	`Dagmar`	`Gonna eat em right in front of him`
`07:10.15`	`Wobin`	`Dagmar, and cough a lot too`
`07:10.20`	`Dagmar`	`It should ensure the meetings are kept to a minimum`
`07:10.22`	`tekkub`	`it's like, nougat and peanuts`
`07:10.35`	`tekkub`	`hehe`
`07:10.44`	`tekkub`	`"sorry I have to keep my blood sugar up`
`07:11.09`	`Dagmar`	`I used to eat them all the time because peanuts are a fine source of protein and easy calories`
`07:11.20`	`tekkub`	`I just like nuts`
`07:11.28`	`tekkub`	`honey roasted are adicting`
`07:11.34`	`Arrowmaster`	`so true`
`07:11.51`	`Dagmar`	`What the heck are they doing to sunflower seeds now?`
`07:11.56`	`smoke__`	`whats the best way to create a border on a statusbar frame?`
`07:12.32`	`Dagmar`	`I got a little bag of them at work the other day, and I couldn't just eat them. If if didn't pry them open first I could be chewing for ten minutes and wind up left with something that looks like particle board`
`07:12.45`	`Dagmar`	`I used to grow sunflower seeds in the backyard and they didn't turn into wood`
`07:12.46`	`tekkub`	`Cairenn: invert and shake well before using`
`07:12.51`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`07:13.16`	`tekkub`	`Dagmar: get ones that have already been shelled`
`07:13.22`	`tekkub`	`unless you intend to chew on the shells`
`07:13.24`	`Dagmar`	`I had to give up halfway through the bag because the effort it took to get the heart of the seed out seemed like more energy than I was going to get from eating them`
`07:13.44`	`tekkub`	`or get punkin seeds`
`07:13.45`	`Dagmar`	`tekkub: I used to be able to chew up the shells and they'd dissolve fine`
`07:13.46`	`tekkub`	`mmmm....`
`07:13.50`	`tekkub`	`now I want some`
`07:13.50`	`Dagmar`	`I'm guessing they are doing something to them now`
`07:14.09`	`Wobin`	`http://notalwaysright.com/?s=peanut`
`07:14.20`	`tekkub`	`I always stabbed the shit out of my gums with sunflower shells`
`07:15.10`	`Wobin`	`some of the chinese packages for seeds like that come with a sheller`
`07:15.28`	`Wobin`	`it looks like a little plastic zatnikitel`
`07:15.36`	`Wobin`	`that cracks the shells`
`07:15.41`	`tekkub`	`you know what you could do`
`07:15.57`	`tekkub`	`get some ice cream, milk, toss the seeds in a blender with it`
`07:15.59`	`Dagmar`	`I'll stick with walnuts`
`07:16.07`	`tekkub`	`sunflower milkshake`
`07:16.16`	`Dagmar`	`it scares some people but at least I can crack walnuts with my bare hands and eat them and feel like I'm getting somewhere`
`07:16.37`	`Dagmar`	`...and no, it's _not_ easy to do that with yer bare hands`
`07:16.49`	`tekkub`	`no those things are hard`
`07:16.52`	`Wobin`	`pistachios`
`07:16.53`	`Wobin`	`=(`
`07:16.57`	`Wobin`	`goddamn they're addictive`
`07:17.04`	`tekkub`	`pistachio ice cream is fucking freaky`
`07:17.12`	`Wobin`	`and you can use the shells to break open the next one`
`07:17.25`	`Wobin`	`so they're total enablers`
`07:17.26`	`tekkub`	`they're like clam nuts`
`07:17.31`	`Dagmar`	`You're not supposed to eat the shells of those?`
`07:17.42`	`tekkub`	`no they're like solid`
`07:17.43`	`Dagmar`	`Is that why they dye them such a lurid color?`
`07:17.47`	`Wobin`	`thinks Dagmar has a very high fibre diet`
`07:17.54`	`Dagmar`	`Wobin: Fiber's good for ya`
`07:17.57`	`Wobin`	`Dagmar, no? They're usually white`
`07:18.05`	`Wobin`	`the nut itself is green`
`07:18.07`	`Dagmar`	`Most of the ones they sell here are a vibrant pink`
`07:18.09`	`tekkub`	`he's thinking of the kernel`
`07:18.15`	`tekkub`	`or not`
`07:18.17`	`Wobin`	`bizzare`
`07:18.18`	`Dagmar`	`Ya wind up with pink cheeto-fingers`
`07:18.24`	`tekkub`	`where the fuck are you buying seeds at?`
`07:18.31`	`Dagmar`	`Kroger's`
`07:18.36`	`tekkub`	`first sunflowers now pistachos`
`07:18.43`	`tekkub`	`go somewhere else`
`07:18.43`	`Wobin`	`oh`
`07:18.43`	`Wobin`	`http://homecooking.about.com/od/cookingfaqs/f/faqredpistachio.htm`
`07:19.08`	`Wobin`	`but yes, you're supposed to shell them before consuming`
`07:19.20`	`Dagmar`	`Whoops. Heh`
`07:20.05`	`Wobin`	`here you go =) http://www.ehow.com/how_2121539_eat-pistachio-nuts.html`
`07:20.22`	`Dagmar`	`next thing you'll be telling me you're not supposed to eat the peanut shells either`
`07:20.36`	`Iriel`	`Those things are seriously addictive`
`07:20.47`	`Iriel`	`I have to limit how many I bring into my office otherwise I eat all of them`
`07:20.57`	`Wobin`	`Dagmar, yeah, you're not supposed to eat the peanut shells`
`07:21.02`	`ZorbaBeta`	`cashews are better`
`07:21.08`	`Dagmar`	`hehe yeah that's what they tell me at the Logan's`
`07:21.10`	`Wobin`	`mostly because they're there to keep the kernels clean`
`07:21.14`	`Iriel`	`I'm not a fan of the Cashew myself`
`07:21.17`	`Wobin`	`and you have no idea where the shells have been`
`07:21.21`	`tekkub`	`honey roasted cashews are the best`
`07:21.24`	`Wobin`	`or who have fingered them before`
`07:21.27`	`tekkub`	`you can't find better nuts`
`07:21.40`	`ZorbaBeta`	`honey roasted cashews are dang delicious, though I personally prefer raw cashews`
`07:21.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`im guessing Dagmar also eats shrimp tails but so do i sometimes`
`07:21.49`	`tekkub`	`normal are good`
`07:21.50`	`ZorbaBeta`	`but I would certainly not object to honey roasted cashews.`
`07:21.51`	`Wobin`	`The best way to eat pistachios....`
`07:21.55`	`Dagmar`	`Wobin: I look at it this way`
`07:21.56`	`Wobin`	`is in baklava =P`
`07:22.09`	`ZorbaBeta`	`mmm baklava.`
`07:22.19`	`Dagmar`	`...the cooks in the back who have _definitely_ fingered what I'm about to eat are probably shiftier than anyone involved in mass-packaging of roasted, salted peanuts`
`07:22.27`	`tekkub`	`So Zorba, I've been curious if you're totally insane or not..`
`07:22.34`	`tekkub`	`what will happen with QH in 3.3?`
`07:22.49`	`tekkub`	`will you break the routing out into a new addon that uses Blizzy's data?`
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`07:23.07`	`Dagmar`	`tekkub: He maintains one of the addons that has the gravitational force of a black hole for attracting people who like to talk s**t about addons`
`07:23.13`	`Dagmar`	`...and he tolerates it.`
`07:23.19`	`Dagmar`	`I'd be killing people.`
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`07:23.28`	`tekkub`	`the trick is to ignore idiots`
`07:24.02`	`Wobin`	`Dagmar, creepy... http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/222486.html`
`07:24.18`	`Wobin`	`Peanuts are susceptible to molds and fungal invasions. Of particular`
`07:24.18`	`Wobin`	`concern is aflatoxin, a poison produced by a fungus called Aspergillus`
`07:24.18`	`Wobin`	`flavus. Although better storage and handling methods have virtually`
`07:24.18`	`Wobin`	`eliminated the risk of aflatoxin ingestion, aflatoxin is a known`
`07:24.18`	`Wobin`	`carcinogen that is twenty times more toxic than DDT and has also been`
`07:24.19`	`Wobin`	`linked to mental retardation and lowered intelligence. To help prevent`
`07:24.21`	`Wobin`	`aflatoxin ingestion, the FDA also enforces a ruling that 20 parts per`
`07:24.25`	`Wobin`	`billion is the maximum of aflatoxin permitted in all foods and animal`
`07:24.27`	`Wobin`	`foods, including peanut butter and other peanut products.`
`07:24.29`	`Wobin`	`woah`
`07:24.31`	`Wobin`	`(sorry)`
`07:24.31`	`ZorbaBeta`	`tekkub, last I checked, Blizzard very carefully restricted the available data to make it hard for me to do so`
`07:24.38`	`ZorbaBeta`	`so, no, I'm probably not gonna.`
`07:25.08`	`Dagmar`	`Oh come on like we don't all eat a little fungus on purpose now and again`
`07:25.09`	`tekkub`	`when did you last check?`
`07:25.10`	`ZorbaBeta`	`Also, it would be a lot of work, and I'm sort of getting tired of QH. Doing Blizzard's UI development research for them is starting to wear thin.`
`07:25.24`	`tekkub`	`I get info for every quest in my log in the zone very easily`
`07:25.30`	`ZorbaBeta`	`tekkub, 3.2 when they had waypoints enabled. If they changed the API then maybe.`
`07:25.41`	`Dagmar`	`I know their shells are pretty much pure fiber with zero nutritional content, but they're crunchier than lettuce for the same work`
`07:25.43`	`tekkub`	`yes, it has`
`07:25.44`	`Wobin`	`Dagmar, it's more the fertillizer and pesticide absorbed by the shell I'd be worried about`
`07:25.46`	`ZorbaBeta`	`Do you have turnin points also, or just the "current waypoints"? Also, "in the zone" isn't helpful, I need global data :)`
`07:26.03`	`tekkub`	`you have turnin point if the quest is complete`
`07:26.09`	`Dagmar`	`Wobin: Those chemicals will feel right at home inside me then`
`07:26.14`	`tekkub`	`I don't know if you can get it when the quest isn't, but probably not`
`07:26.19`	`ZorbaBeta`	`sure, that's not helpful. I need the turnin point before the quest is complete.`
`07:26.37`	`tekkub`	`so short answer is yes, you are insane`
`07:26.48`	`ZorbaBeta`	`and ideally, I need turnin points/objective data for the followups. Basically, the API provides the absolute minimum required for Blizzard's UI.`
`07:26.51`	`tekkub`	`long answer is you're sick of QH so the insanity may subside`
`07:27.15`	`Dagmar`	`Well, I suppose it's a good thing I don't bother eating peanuts very often.`
`07:27.21`	`ZorbaBeta`	`I'm insane, always have been, but honestly Blizzard's API is just not particularly useful for what QH does.`
`07:27.24`	`Dagmar`	`Dried pineapple is generally nearer to hand`
`07:27.36`	`tekkub`	`well that's debatable`
`07:27.44`	`Arrowmaster`	`ZorbaBeta: except maybe for your dataminer`
`07:27.52`	`tekkub`	`many people think what QH "does" is beyond the scope of the addon`
`07:27.57`	`ZorbaBeta`	`It's in an un-useful format. Taking advantage of it would be difficult and bugprone.`
`07:28.07`	`ZorbaBeta`	`arrow, now that is true :) but I'm already gathering a bunch of info that I'm not using`
`07:28.50`	`Wobin`	`dried apple is good for the chew`
`07:28.50`	`ZorbaBeta`	`it seems somewhat silly to gather even more that I don't plan to use.`
`07:29.11`	`tekkub`	`actually, you could probably boil it down to just NPC info`
`07:29.14`	`tekkub`	`and chain`
`07:29.27`	`tekkub`	`pickup and turnin NPC and followup quest`
`07:29.48`	`tekkub`	`though in like 99% of the cases, the followup is form the same NPC`
`07:30.07`	`ZorbaBeta`	`well, first, "in the zone" isn't sufficient - what happens if someone picks up a quest with objectives outside the zone?`
`07:30.13`	`ZorbaBeta`	`as I recall, I basically can't retrieve those objectives.`
`07:30.33`	`tekkub`	`you can see them on the map if you change maps`
`07:30.38`	`tekkub`	`so there is a way to get the data`
`07:30.53`	`Wobin`	`do a map cycle?`
`07:31.01`	`ZorbaBeta`	`yeah, I'd have to do that. But already, we're kind of doing something painful.`
`07:31.04`	`Wobin`	`on acquisition`
`07:31.13`	`tekkub`	`anywho, my overall point was that QH is 2 addons, a data addon and the route addon`
`07:31.16`	`ZorbaBeta`	`Second, QH has multiple locations for each objective. The API doesn't.`
`07:31.25`	`Arrowmaster`	`just dear god dont use ckk code from tourist to cycle through the maps!`
`07:31.30`	`tekkub`	`I'm curious to see how many people don't care about the route part and stop using it in 3.3`
`07:31.58`	`ZorbaBeta`	`With the new Blizzard solid areas thing, I could in theory try to derive stuff like that`
`07:32.01`	`ZorbaBeta`	`tekkub, yeah, we'll see. I'm hoping to have full achievement support in by then.`
`07:32.10`	`Arrowmaster`	`tekkub: from the amount of people that bitch everytime the arrow stops working for them, i think a lot use the routing`
`07:32.13`	`tekkub`	`the game does have multiple POIs`
`07:32.19`	`tekkub`	`but it only gives you the closest`
`07:32.28`	`tekkub`	`which if you're routing, is probably the one you want anyway`
`07:32.29`	`ZorbaBeta`	`Reactions to QH post-3.3 will pretty much determine its fate. I've decided to make it work in Cataclysm, just 'cause I want to prove I can`
`07:32.29`	`ZorbaBeta`	`and I'd like to get quest chains in`
`07:32.42`	`ZorbaBeta`	`but honestly it's rapidly becoming not worth my time.`
`07:32.53`	`ZorbaBeta`	`Perhaps time to move on.`
`07:33.49`	`tekkub`	`well from what I gather, you mainly work on QH because the whole routing thing interests you`
`07:34.04`	`ZorbaBeta`	`well, that was a factor`
`07:34.13`	`ZorbaBeta`	`but it was also paying my bills, with potential for a much larger payout in the future :)`
`07:34.14`	`tekkub`	`why not start a new addon and focus only on that`
`07:34.18`	`tekkub`	`with the new API's info`
`07:34.29`	`ZorbaBeta`	`It also looked awesome on my resume, and was great experience in several areas.`
`07:34.47`	`tekkub`	`depends on who you show the resume to`
`07:34.50`	`tekkub`	`I know first hand`
`07:35.04`	`tekkub`	`though you probably don't want to work for the people that scoff at it`
`07:35.17`	`ZorbaBeta`	`As it is, it's still kind of fun, but I'm tired of fighting with Blizzard. The income is dropping off, and the future-payout is much less likely. The resume's as awesome as it could possibly be, and there's very little challenge in it anymore, thus very little useful experience.`
`07:35.36`	`ZorbaBeta`	`I pretty much figure I could walk into any job that interested me at this point. It's getting increasingly silly to worry about the resume.`
`07:35.45`	`tekkub`	`see I've never ever felt like I was fighting with Blizzy`
`07:35.48`	`ZorbaBeta`	`(There are many jobs I couldn't walk into, but they also don't interest me, so.)`
`07:36.16`	`ZorbaBeta`	`tekkub, how often does Blizzard directly copy your UI and behavior? How often do official blizzard representatives tell people that you hacked their account?`
`07:36.20`	`tekkub`	`at this point I feel that blizzy is failing my because I've fixed all the things in the UI that piss me off`
`07:36.26`	`ZorbaBeta`	`The answer to both those questions, for me, is "far too often".`
`07:36.27`	`tekkub`	`they need some more bad UI code for me`
`07:36.46`	`tekkub`	`uhm, Blizzy's taken a number of my addons into the default UI`
`07:36.53`	`tekkub`	`and never :P`
`07:37.12`	`Arrowmaster`	`ZorbaBeta: sue them for slander`
`07:37.19`	`ZorbaBeta`	`I've had at least half a dozen reports of the latter. Bringing them to Blizzard's attention resulted in them giving me the finger.`
`07:37.35`	`tekkub`	`but in converse, how many users has QH crashed out of the game? :P`
`07:37.42`	`ZorbaBeta`	`arrow, sure, gimme a lawyer who'll fight Blizzard pro bono and I'll get right on that.`
`07:37.56`	`ZorbaBeta`	`tekkub, as far as I know, basically none in the last half a year or so.`
`07:38.05`	`ZorbaBeta`	`And if there are any, I'd love to see reports of it so I can fix it.`
`07:38.18`	`tekkub`	`but QH has been around longer than that!`
`07:38.55`	`ZorbaBeta`	`true. but I wasn't involved in it until a little over a year ago. and even then I realized it was terrible and went to fix it up. 1.0.0 improved things greatly :)`
`07:39.11`	`tekkub`	`anywho`
`07:39.17`	`tekkub`	`I forget what the whole point was`
`07:39.22`	`tekkub`	`oh yes, you're insane`
`07:39.31`	`ZorbaBeta`	`well, that I never argued against ;)`
`07:39.57`	`tekkub`	`I still need something to hack on, ugh`
`07:40.56`	`ZorbaBeta`	`sadly the only other idea I have that I'd like to do is impossible without updater client support, and nobody is interested in adding that support to their client.`
`07:42.19`	`Cairenn`	`ZorbaBeta: and you know that how? you've talked to everyone that has an updater?`
`07:43.06`	`ZorbaBeta`	`cairenn, I've talked to Shirik and ckknight. Who else would you propose I talk to?`
`07:43.30`	`Shirik`	`You could add it yourself`
`07:43.35`	`Shirik`	`(probably)`
`07:43.37`	`Shirik`	`not sure what you want`
`07:43.49`	`Shirik`	`I don't remember talking to you though`
`07:44.05`	`Cairenn`	`and, umm, if you talked to Shirik about it, it's news to me, since he never said anything to Dolby or I about it`
`07:44.11`	`ZorbaBeta`	`Yeah, at some point it starts being more effort than I want to do :P but the basic things I want is a way to update people's savedvariable files in place, and I'd pretty much need lua support in the client as well`
`07:44.30`	`ZorbaBeta`	`I've mentioned it before, you've basically said it's low priority. I didn't really push 'cause I'm honestly the only person who would ever care.`
`07:45.01`	`Shirik`	`oh you asked for Lua support`
`07:45.10`	`Shirik`	`but why can't you just use Java and Kahlua or such?`
`07:45.25`	`Wobin`	`kahlua is such an awesome name`
`07:45.34`	`Cairenn`	`mmmm, it is`
`07:45.43`	`Cairenn`	`considers mixing herself a drink`
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`07:46.02`	`ZorbaBeta`	`hmm, haven't seen Kahlua before. That might work. Does it include functionality for updating SV files on the fly, though?`
`07:46.20`	`ZorbaBeta`	`though I suppose I could always do something incredibly hinky and jam data into their addon .lua files`
`07:46.24`	`tekkub`	`I can never spell it`
`07:47.13`	`Trela`	`is drinking Doctor Pepper.`
`07:47.20`	`Cairenn`	`tekkub: as long as you can say it, when talking to a bartender, or recognize the bottle, when buying it yourself, it doesn't matter if you can spell it ;)`
`07:47.38`	`tekkub`	`except when you're looking up recipes`
`07:48.49`	`tekkub`	`http://bartenderapp.com/`
`07:49.12`	`Cairenn`	`cool`
`07:51.11`	`tekkub`	`http://bartenderapp.com/cocktails/neutron-bomb`
`07:51.17`	`Thunder_Child`	`they have non-alchoholic as well`
`07:51.19`	`Thunder_Child`	`rather nice`
`07:51.25`	`tekkub`	`methinks I need to start buying Butterscotch Schnapps`
`07:53.30`	`Cairenn`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QyYaPWasos (nsfw)`
`07:55.03`	`tekkub`	`Cairenn: go watch Freeman's Mind`
`07:55.07`	`tekkub`	`great lil series`
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`07:58.03`	`Shirik`	`ZorbaBeta: What do you mean by on the fly?`
`07:58.53`	`ZorbaBeta`	`shirik, basically, some ability to poll a server once in a while and patch a savedvariables file (or an addon .lua file) based on the response. Not when WoW is running ;)`
`08:00.45`	`Shirik`	`you basically just get a thread`
`08:00.49`	`Shirik`	`use it how you want`
`08:01.07`	`Shirik`	`I would use the Uploadable interface`
`08:01.46`	`Shirik`	`http://minion.mmoui.com/javadoc/com/mmoui/manager/services/Uploadable.html`
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`09:13.02`	`Lunessa`	`STATION BITCHES`
`09:13.09`	`Cairenn`	`FUCKING STATION`
`09:13.12`	`Lunessa`	`hugs Cairenn.`
`09:13.42`	`Lunessa`	`warns everyone that he's just come back from a wake, and he's all three sheets to the wind.`
`09:13.56`	`Cairenn`	`hugs the hell out of Lunessa some more`
`09:13.56`	`cogwheel`	`could use a couple more sheets then!`
`09:14.09`	`Lunessa`	`Heh.`
`09:14.23`	`Cairenn`	`<3`
`09:14.27`	`cogwheel`	`huggle`
`09:14.29`	`Cairenn`	`wrong window`
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`09:36.42`	`Lunessa`	`Bah, you buy a cheap imported rug, you get a mess.`
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`09:37.57`	`Cairenn`	`chuckles at the random comments from Lunessa`
`09:38.37`	`Lunessa`	`I was commenting on Wobin's comment, but all the joins scrolled it!`
`09:38.43`	`Lunessa`	`Honest injun!`
`09:39.17`	`Cairenn`	`ah, so it did`
`09:40.36`	`Lunessa`	`I'm random but I like to riff on things, even when I'm drunk.`
`09:41.52`	`zenzelezz`	`unlike other drunks, who don't riff on things?`
`09:42.15`	`Cairenn`	`better that he riff on things, than ralph on them`
`09:42.32`	`Lunessa`	`zenzelezz, those f'ers can't hold their liquor and forget what they're... so I was at this party..`
`09:42.34`	`zenzelezz`	`what if Ralph likes it?`
`09:42.58`	`Cairenn`	`chuckles`
`09:43.55`	`Lunessa`	`I still have the Macbre Marrionette`
`09:44.05`	`Lunessa`	`Wasn't that supposed to go poof?`
`09:44.14`	`Fisker`	`slaps Cairenn around a bit with a large trout`
`09:44.24`	`Cairenn`	`slaps a large trout around with Fisker`
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`09:44.50`	`Lunessa`	`drowns Fisker in 1,000 liters of sour milk.`
`09:44.58`	`Cairenn`	`ewwwwwwwwww`
`09:45.43`	`zenzelezz`	`must be weird drowning a Dane... you can't tell their gurgling from their language`
`09:45.45`	`Lunessa`	`Where did that milk gag start, anyway?`
`09:45.59`	`Lunessa`	`Haha...`
`09:46.04`	`Cairenn`	`zenzelezz: lol`
`09:46.14`	`zenzelezz`	`Lunessa: I'm not positive, but let me dig out a youtube video`
`09:46.36`	`Cairenn`	`Lunessa: by being sour`
`09:46.39`	`Cairenn`	`ewwwww`
`09:46.40`	`zenzelezz`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-mOy8VUEBk`
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`09:47.08`	`Cairenn`	`is having trouble holding her stomach just thinking about it`
`09:47.10`	`Lunessa`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFlQNtL8F9s - good lulz.`
`09:54.39`	`Cairenn`	`Lunessa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QyYaPWasos`
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`09:55.38`	`Lunessa`	`Cairenn - LAWL`
`09:55.57`	`Fisker`	`[i have hate`
`09:56.33`	`Cairenn`	`Fisker: why?`
`09:57.26`	`Fisker`	`you killed my large trout`
`09:58.11`	`Cairenn`	`awwww`
`09:58.26`	`Cairenn`	`gives Fisker a new large trout`
`09:58.34`	`Lunessa`	`Fisker has a happy?`
`10:00.14`	`Lunessa`	`Ok, I appreciate the comany and all, and Imma let you finish, but Lunessa's got the need for sleep, ya'll.`
`10:00.31`	`Lunessa`	`Night night.`
`10:00.49`	`Wobin`	`Did they just postpone Pilgrim's Bounty for a fortnight? =P`
`10:01.38`	`Fisker`	`slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout`
`10:01.53`	`Wobin`	`catches the trout in a frypan`
`10:01.55`	`Wobin`	`dinner!`
`10:06.42`	`Fisker`	`slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout`
`10:08.47`	`Wobin`	`this free fish is fantastic`
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`10:11.56`	`Shirik`	`it was totally random and like impossible to reproduce`
`10:12.39`	`Fisker`	`i disagree`
`10:12.40`	`Shirik`	`the culprit ended up being something along the lines of "When I destroy a Foo object, and then shortly thereafter I create a new Foo object, and the OS decides to put it at the same address, then the program crashes because it thinks it's the old one"`
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`11:24.53`	`zenzelezz`	`:)`
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`12:05.46`	`klip`	`hell'o ppl, isn't there any app able to easily edit SavedVariables.lua files? My idea is like to have app with modules... one for each addon and it would display it in some nice UI where you can edit the settings? If not, I'm thinking about writing such an app`
`12:06.43`	`klip`	`I mean... I run the app, load for example ACP.lua and it would load ACP module and display the settings in nice way. I can edit profiles, copy them etc.`
`12:08.37`	`klip`	`it would be nice feature of curse/minion client`
`12:09.57`	`klip`	`hm, seems, everyone's sleeping ;)`
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`12:18.36`	`zenzelezz`	`saved variables are just lua files, how would you present the options in an understandable manner?`
`12:20.14`	`klip`	`you would have to create a module to the app for each addon`
`12:20.27`	`Adys`	`to answer your question, there isnt`
`12:20.36`	`Adys`	`feel free to make one, cant be too hard`
`12:21.08`	`zenzelezz`	`the question is whether addon authors would take the time to make such modules for their settings`
`12:21.09`	`klip`	`I found some lua dll usable in .net, so I am thinking it would not be hard. I'm just asking if there is anything like that`
`12:21.37`	`klip`	`I can take the time to make such modules for addons I use and I want to manage ;)`
`12:21.53`	`zenzelezz`	`of course; I'm just saying :)`
`12:22.28`	`klip`	`sure, I haven't been expecting that from addon authors ;)`
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`12:27.12`	`klip`	`hah, someone is trying to sell a Plain Letter for 121k gold in AH, looks like a gold transfer :)`
`12:28.25`	`olafski`	`report em!`
`12:31.23`	`klip`	`hm, I am not that kind of person. I was once healing in AV and someone ringed the bell at door, so I went there and came back just at the moment I was being kicked out leaving me with Deserter debuff. So I said to myself, that I won't ever report anyone. It makes bad karma :p`
`12:34.10`	`olafski`	`oO`
`12:34.18`	`olafski`	`I report cheaters all the time`
`12:34.26`	`olafski`	`granted, money transfering isn't really cheating but still ;P`
`12:34.39`	`olafski`	`er actually not "but still".. I report bots, not people who do that ;p`
`12:36.14`	`klip`	`:)`
`12:36.26`	`olafski`	`blizzard doesn't seem to care much about bots either though`
`12:38.05`	`klip`	`well, I think blizzard has an inconsiderable income from botting`
`12:38.21`	`klip`	`wich is bad`
`12:41.52`	`klip`	`my friend who played UO a lot once told me that it would be much better to make the game in a way players dont have need to bot. I mean where botting would be useless and so there would be no need to bot. He haven't told me how would he do that though :)`
`12:44.13`	`zenzelezz`	`that's one of the reasons they made daily quests`
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`12:56.11`	`Legorol`	`olafski: if you think Blizzard doesn't care about bots, you are a cynical conspiracy theorist far removed from reality`
`12:56.34`	`Legorol`	`botters cost Blizzard considerable resources in development time, enforcement and customer support`
`12:58.37`	`Aelo`	`and they cost them lots of gold too! :P`
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`13:03.06`	`olafski`	`ooh lots of big words ;)`
`13:03.38`	`Aelo`	`hmm`
`13:03.45`	`olafski`	`I reported the same bot like 3 times and every time he gets another 3 day suspension`
`13:04.00`	`olafski`	`surely after he gets back a third time they would have done something a bit more severe if they cared`
`13:04.07`	`Aelo`	`lua> tbl = {OnFail = print} tbl:OnFail()`
`13:04.08`	`lua_bot`	`Aelo: table: 0x9cd3ee8`
`13:04.16`	`Aelo`	`thought so :)`
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`13:07.47`	`Aelo`	`lua> tbl = {test = "hi"}; new_tbl = tbl; new_tbl.test = "lol"; print(tbl.test)`
`13:07.47`	`lua_bot`	`Aelo: lol`
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`14:01.36`	`Kraps`	`"What I like to drink most is wine that belongs to others." - Diogenes`
`14:04.52`	`amro`	`I like tea.`
`14:05.13`	`Kraps`	`tea that belongs to others?`
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`14:06.12`	`haste`	`I like Coffee`
`14:06.45`	`Kraps`	`same`
`14:16.12`	`Wobin`	`http://shutupwomangetonmyhorse.com/`
`14:16.51`	`Sesshu`	`(Wobin): yep that video is epic :)`
`14:17.48`	`Wobin`	`weebl has really made an art to looped catchy music`
`14:21.58`	`Aelo`	`lol thats awesome`
`14:26.12`	`Wobin`	`oh god, you can't turn it off`
`14:26.16`	`Wobin`	`cause it NEVER ENDS`
`14:26.26`	`amro`	`I like narwhals better`
`14:29.16`	`Wobin`	`http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/Kenya+Remix/`
`14:29.50`	`Wobin`	`it would be totally awesome if druid cats walked like that`
`14:29.56`	`fl1st4r`	`if i want to test my addon in other language, i need to download WoW in other language ?`
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`14:33.01`	`foxlit`	`Generally, yes. You might be able to use a language pack, but it still involves a hefty dose of installing things.`
`14:33.17`	`fl1st4r`	`erf ok thx`
`14:34.04`	`Sesshu`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VDvgL58h_Y`
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`14:43.49`	`Aelo`	`Sesshu: haha`
`14:46.31`	`Aelo`	`Sesshu: "and again"`
`14:46.47`	`Sesshu`	`and again!`
`14:57.16`	`olafski`	`hahahahaha I love kenya`
`14:57.20`	`olafski`	`and that remix is great too`
`15:34.17`	`Aelo`	`does hooksecurefunc work on addon-created functions?`
`15:34.47`	`jnwhiteh`	`I think so, but it has overhead that you really shouldn't want to incur.`
`15:35.03`	`Aelo`	`what's that mean? ^^`
`15:35.12`	`jnwhiteh`	`there's a lot of overhead by using that function.`
`15:35.45`	`foxlit`	`On a scale of "meh" to "zomg framerates drop to 0", most overheads are boring.`
`15:36.12`	`Aelo`	`aha google define ftw :p`
`15:36.17`	`Aelo`	`didnt know what overhead meant hehe`
`15:36.17`	`jnwhiteh`	`basically is a feature-less post hook of the function, but with the extra overhead of having to scrub taint, etc.`
`15:36.42`	`Aelo`	`ah ok
`15:37.01`	`Aelo`	`and HookScript()'s cant be un-done can they?`
`15:37.01`	`foxlit`	`Hey, it manages the original return list for you.`
`15:37.11`	`foxlit`	`HookScript is like SetScript`
`15:37.15`	`jnwhiteh`	`foxlit: yes, of course it does..`
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`15:38.07`	`foxlit`	`In that it just changes the script handler. However, you'll not be able to set the original secure handler back.`
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`15:38.20`	`jnwhiteh`	`foxlit: I'm just echoing Slouken's warnings`
`15:38.41`	`Aelo`	`but as you can have multiple Hook's and only 1 Set, wouldn't it be impossible to un-hook it?`
`15:39.32`	`foxlit`	`Aelo: something along those lines.`
`15:39.47`	`foxlit`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Hooking_functions#Removing_existing_hooks describes the problem.`
`15:39.48`	`Aelo`	`dam :<`
`15:40.45`	`foxlit`	`[The example deals with functions rather than script handlers, but it's the same issue -- you can't easily pull out from the middle of the hook chain; and you can't pull out from a secure hook chain at all.]`
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`15:41.09`	`Aelo`	`ty`
`15:41.16`	`nevcairiel`	`in both cases the best course of action is simply to include a "disabled" boolean`
`15:41.29`	`nevcairiel`	`so you can turn yourself off`
`15:41.31`	`jnwhiteh`	`you can deactivate your hook in the middle, and you can know when you can safely unhook`
`15:41.31`	`jnwhiteh`	`yeah`
`15:41.32`	`jnwhiteh`	`what he said.`
`15:41.37`	`Aelo`	`which would stop the code being executed, but not the hook from firing`
`15:41.42`	`Aelo`	`although that's trivial for performance?`
`15:42.21`	`jnwhiteh`	`performance is not likely a concern in any of these cases.`
`15:42.21`	`Kraps`	`http://improveverywhere.com/2002/01/19/writers-against-piracy/`
`15:42.21`	`nevcairiel`	`the alternative is breaking the hooking chain if you are in the middle`
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`15:42.21`	`nevcairiel`	`and thats not good =P`
`15:42.21`	`Aelo`	`performance isn't really a concern for me, but i just like to know about it =)`
`15:42.32`	`foxlit`	`As with any performance issue, code first, measure second, and have headaches later.`
`15:42.42`	`kraftman`	`is there a way to limit StartMoving() to only vertical or horizontal?`
`15:42.54`	`Aelo`	`a wild kraftman appears!`
`15:43.06`	`kraftman`	`^^`
`15:43.17`	`nevcairiel`	`I believe thats possible, somehow`
`15:43.19`	`nevcairiel`	`i forgot how`
`15:43.24`	`nevcairiel`	`But i did it once`
`15:43.34`	`foxlit`	`You can always fake it.`
`15:43.36`	`jnwhiteh`	`you just do it manually using an OnUpdate()`
`15:43.36`	`kraftman`	`well that at least gives me some hope :)`
`15:43.44`	`jnwhiteh`	`that's really the only way to do it`
`15:43.50`	`jnwhiteh`	`i.e. dont' use StartMoving()`
`15:43.50`	`Aelo`	`would the boolean mid-chain thing be used for updating a library's hooks if it loads a new minor version?`
`15:43.51`	`nevcairiel`	`I wonder if i did it that way`
`15:43.51`	`kraftman`	`ok ty`
`15:43.54`	`foxlit`	`StartMoving on some other, invisible frame, and adjust your proper frame's position using OnUpdate`
`15:45.22`	`kraftman`	`cool`
`15:45.26`	`jnwhiteh`	`foxlit: why wouldn't you just change the OnUpdate handler to your own custom drag handler, which is trivial`
`15:45.30`	`jnwhiteh`	`seems much less confusing`
`15:47.07`	`foxlit`	`jnwhiteh: Not sure, really -- the issue never arose, so it's mostly theoretical speculation as to how to do things on my part.`
`15:47.32`	`jnwhiteh`	`ah, well I've done it a number of times and its just a few lines of code =)`
`15:48.19`	`foxlit`	`I wonder if you can mess with HitRectInsets and clamping to achieve the same effect without OnUpdate.`
`15:48.42`	`jnwhiteh`	`O.o`
`15:48.45`	`jnwhiteh`	`an OnUpdate is being done either way`
`15:49.01`	`jnwhiteh`	`that's all StartMoving does.. just behind the scenes in C, without actually overwriting the script.`
`15:49.09`	`jnwhiteh`	`but I'm sure you might be able to do it that way as well`
`15:49.46`	`kraftman`	`as the frame goes off the screen both sides, i might just make it really large so that it can be dragged in one movement, and then re center it onmouseup`
`15:49.46`	`kraftman`	`save the onupdate`
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`15:50.03`	`kraftman`	`cant be dragged*`
`15:50.33`	`kraftman`	`im trying to make guides kinda like photoshop`
`15:53.22`	`foxlit`	`If you're playing with alignment, you might also try implementing the thing as actions rather than dragging -- select a bunch of frames, then do something like "align top edges" "align left edges" "distribute evenly hoziontally"...`
`15:54.06`	`kraftman`	`good idea cheers`
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`15:57.46`	`Aelo`	`with libstub, when it loads a new minor version does it use the previous table and insert the functions again, or create a new one?`
`15:58.01`	`mikma`	`is it just me, or is the latest boss in citadel Professor Farnsworth from Futurama?`
`15:58.51`	`Aelo`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D1cap6yETA`
`16:01.22`	`mikma`	`oh yey, L4D2 pre-load is enabled`
`16:01.24`	`msoul_`	`is there a way to keep the arrows on the left hand side in prat? as if i disable it and enable it again it will be on the left without doing so it's on right by default`
`16:01.32`	`msoul_`	`oh and only in combat log`
`16:01.40`	`msoul_`	`it works pretty fine with the chat log`
`16:02.01`	`msoul_`	`inside the windows even`
`16:03.23`	`msoul_`	`brb`
`16:10.46`	`foxlit`	`http://db.mmo-champion.com/static/img/icons/achievement_boss_profputricide.png << one has to wonder about those corners`
`16:11.30`	`jnwhiteh`	`Aelo: libstub doesn't "do" anything.. if you register a new minor version of an existing library.. you just get the existing table back.`
`16:11.37`	`jnwhiteh`	`You have to decide what to do with it`
`16:11.44`	`Aelo`	`aha`
`16:12.23`	`Aelo`	`so myLib, oldLib = LibStub:NewLibrary() what do i do with myLib?`
`16:13.00`	`Aelo`	`or wait, does it only return oldLib? :p`
`16:14.54`	`Aelo`	`ah yeh so it does (i think), silly me`
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`16:16.14`	`ghostpirate95`	`does this look wrong to anyone? ./script local arg1, arg2, arg3, arg4, arg5, arg6, arg7, arg8 = ...; if ( event == "CHAT_MSG_WHISPER" and arg6 == "GM" ) then PlaySoundFile("Sound\\Creature\\ShadeOfAran\\AranGameOver01.wav") end`
`16:18.36`	`mikma`	`ghostpirate95: yes it does look wrong.`
`16:18.45`	`ghostpirate95`	`how so?`
`16:18.53`	`mikma`	`it won't work`
`16:19.21`	`ghostpirate95`	`how can i make it work? :)`
`16:19.42`	`mikma`	`you are clearly making this for private-server`
`16:19.54`	`ghostpirate95`	`lol no im not`
`16:20.01`	`ghostpirate95`	`i just dont want to be afk if a gm responds to my ticket`
`16:21.00`	`mikma`	`here's some tips: You are missing the frame that watches the whisper event, you are missing the function that watches the whispers..`
`16:22.49`	`ghostpirate95`	`well I tried to stick it into an addon with function AddOn_OnEvent(self, event, ...) at the begining to try to avoid that kind of thing but it didnt work either, i guess same problem`
`16:23.05`	`olafski`	`onevent is fine, but you also need to register the event`
`16:23.32`	`Aelo`	`and for that you need the name of the frame :P`
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`17:06.58`	`Aelo`	`_G["string"] = value, is equivalent to string = value yeh?`
`17:08.09`	`nevcairiel`	`well depending on scope and all`
`17:08.22`	`nevcairiel`	`if string is a local var in the current scope, its not`
`17:08.46`	`Aelo`	`hmm`
`17:09.05`	`Aelo`	`if i had: function(string) return _G[string] end`
`17:09.21`	`nevcairiel`	`that function is called getglobal() :P`
`17:09.21`	`Aelo`	`would that return the global that has the name equial to the string's value?`
`17:09.28`	`nevcairiel`	`sure`
`17:09.36`	`Aelo`	`and i can set values in the same way?`
`17:09.41`	`nevcairiel`	`sure`
`17:09.45`	`Aelo`	`cool`
`17:09.58`	`Aelo`	`must difference between getglobal() and _G[] ?`
`17:10.23`	`Aelo`	`*much`
`17:10.38`	`kraft`	`_G is better`
`17:10.40`	`nevcairiel`	`getglobal/setglobal have been deprecated, you should use _G`
`17:10.47`	`Aelo`	`ty`
`17:10.48`	`kraft`	`getglobal calls _G`
`17:11.09`	`Aelo`	`kraft: why you leave quake? :<`
`17:11.18`	`Aelo`	`your net seems a bit crazy today`
`17:11.26`	`kraft`	`im at my gf's :(`
`17:12.54`	`Aelo`	`ive been asking so much in here recently xD`
`17:13.02`	`Aelo`	`i think im just trying to absorb teh lua`
`17:13.11`	`Aelo`	`i wants it all!`
`17:13.33`	`kraft`	`heh`
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`17:45.10`	`ScytheBlade1`	`lua>18*1.5`
`17:45.11`	`lua_bot`	`ScytheBlade1: 27`
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`18:14.12`	`zenzelezz`	`"Users of jailbroken iPhones in Australia are reporting that their wallpapers have been changed by a worm to an image of '80s pop icon Rick Astley"`
`18:14.13`	`zenzelezz`	`O_o`
`18:14.33`	`mikma`	`hehehee`
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`18:15.23`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That's what the tards get for not changing their default root pw`
`18:15.26`	`ScytheBlade1`	`morons`
`18:15.59`	`nevcairiel`	`ha`
`18:16.28`	`ScytheBlade1`	`WHAT EXACTLY DO YOU THINK "ROOTING" MEANS?`
`18:16.33`	`razoruk`	`I have a question or two about a specific addon's saved information, would this be the right place to ask?`
`18:16.35`	`ScytheBlade1`	`I mean really`
`18:16.40`	`ScytheBlade1`	`razoruk: sure`
`18:16.42`	`zenzelezz`	`I remember someone in here wanting to make an animated GIF and transfer it through OBEX to open phones some tmie ago`
`18:16.44`	`zenzelezz`	`*time`
`18:16.54`	`zenzelezz`	`(of Rick Astley)`
`18:16.55`	`ScytheBlade1`	`That was me`
`18:17.09`	`zenzelezz`	`did you get it working?`
`18:17.21`	`razoruk`	`it's about Auc-Db.lua and it's "scans" section`
`18:17.25`	`ScytheBlade1`	`no, I got too lazy`
`18:17.34`	`amro`	`razoruk: just go ahead and ask the question`
`18:17.42`	`ScytheBlade1`	`razoruk: ah. you might want to try #norganna if you can't get an answer here`
`18:18.10`	`razoruk`	`http://wiki.norganna.org/AucAdvanced/Auc-DB.lua << I don't understand what itemSuffix, itemSeed and itemFactor are`
`18:18.34`	`razoruk`	`I guess itemSuffix is "of the..."`
`18:18.46`	`razoruk`	`but what's seed and factor?`
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`18:22.43`	`Fisker`	`how does that work zenzelezz ?`
`18:22.59`	`zenzelezz`	`Fisker: what exactly, the iPhone thing?`
`18:23.21`	`Fisker`	`yeah`
`18:23.40`	`Fisker`	`I mean it sounds like it's some sort of broadcast`
`18:23.40`	`zenzelezz`	`apparently a lot of people using jailbroken iPhones don't change the default SSH password`
`18:23.52`	`zenzelezz`	`yeah, the worm searches for other vulnerable phones`
`18:24.21`	`Fisker`	`ah`
`18:24.23`	`Fisker`	`like that`
`18:24.36`	`Fisker`	`so it basically just uses local bluetooth or wifi to do it?`
`18:24.49`	`zenzelezz`	`think so, didn't reach the whole thing`
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`18:26.27`	`Fisker`	`i was thinking of some evil nefarius way to use the phone atennas :P`
`18:26.32`	`Fisker`	`antennas*`
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`18:31.57`	`Thunder_Child`	`is it ok to beat up 80 year old women?`
`18:33.01`	`Aelo`	`only if they started it :P`
`18:33.55`	`Trela`	`The false for calling GetLocale in AceLocale is to just tell it to throw an error in no locale is found, correct? local L = LibStub("AceLocale-3.0"):GetLocale("flagRSP2", false)`
`18:34.19`	`nevcairiel`	`false is default, you dont need to set it`
`18:34.52`	`Trela`	`nods.`
`18:35.11`	`Trela`	`I also realized I am reading the AceComm documentation for AceLocale. :P`
`18:35.19`	`nevcairiel`	`lol`
`18:35.30`	`zenzelezz`	`Thunder_Child: you'll just have to put up with grandmothers giving bad presents`
`18:38.24`	`Thunder_Child`	`zenzelezz, she isnt related to me, i do tech support for her. and now she wants to upgrade to windows 7 because she has problems with ms word.`
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`18:38.38`	`Thunder_Child`	`stabby stabby stabby`
`18:38.41`	`zenzelezz`	`then you'd be justified`
`18:38.54`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`is she paying you?`
`18:38.54`	`zenzelezz`	`like Aelo said, she started it`
`18:39.04`	`Thunder_Child`	`yes NightHawkTheSane`
`18:39.17`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`then smile, nod, do what she wants, and take her money`
`18:39.22`	`Fisker`	`http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11483268968&postId=114820256952&sid=1#4 <-hohoho`
`18:39.28`	`Codayus`	`Ugh, 3rd person in guild had their account compromised in about a month.`
`18:39.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`just make sure the money's worth it :P`
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`18:39.51`	`Codayus`	`This one an officer; guild bank completely emptied, bunch of people kicked, etc. Charming.`
`18:40.13`	`nevcairiel`	`Failtards without an authenticator shouldnt be given guild bank access`
`18:40.22`	`zenzelezz`	`Fisker: score :)`
`18:40.28`	`Codayus`	`nevcairiel: Agreed.`
`18:40.38`	`olafski`	`fisker: still though, 66 times and never over 29 is quite unlikely :P`
`18:45.19`	`zenzelezz`	`unlikely, yes`
`18:45.24`	`zenzelezz`	`impossible, not in the least`
`18:52.48`	`Codayus`	`... About 1 chance in 6.5 billion?`
`18:53.05`	`Codayus`	`I think. The sleep deprivation is starting to kick in.`
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`18:57.10`	`Kraps`	`man, theres no choice BUT to play mass effect over and over again to see everything. like, i just found out that you are able to customize your character before you start a game`
`18:57.58`	`zenzelezz`	`customise how?`
`18:58.34`	`Kraps`	`gender, look and class`
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`19:06.57`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`http://cache0.techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Screen-shot-2009-11-06-at-2.26.34-PM-630x378.png`
`19:07.29`	`Arrowmaster`	`i have a feeling my latest post on wowace forums is going to get deleted by phanx again`
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`19:08.27`	`zenzelezz`	`NightHawkTheSane: O_o`
`19:08.46`	`Kraps`	`NightHawkTheSane: lal`
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`19:56.11`	`fl1st4r`	`anyone can help me plz, i try to SetText() on my checkbox, but i get an error in WoW http://wowuidev.pastey.net/127894`
`19:57.46`	`zenzelezz`	`what does the error say?`
`19:57.50`	`fl1st4r`	`Message: Interface\AddOns\RaidPickup\RaidPickup.lua:231: attempt to index local 'i' (a number value)`
`19:58.04`	`fl1st4r`	`line 231 is my settext line`
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`19:58.52`	`Kraps`	`WTF! COMMANDER SHEPARD JUST MASHED A FEMALE REPORTER IN THE STOMACH!!`
`19:59.00`	`Kraps`	`AND IT WAS AWESOME`
`19:59.22`	`fl1st4r`	`i tryed with checktank:SetText(_G["CLASSTANK_"..i]) but i get another error`
`19:59.42`	`fl1st4r`	`** no error but no text`
`19:59.54`	`Arrowmaster`	`Kraps: in what?`
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`20:00.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`oh mass effect`
`20:00.28`	`zenzelezz`	`fl1st4r: try changing the line to '_G["TANKCHECK_" .. i .. 'Text']:SetText(_G["CLASSTANK_"..i]);'`
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`20:02.03`	`Kraps`	`Arrowmaster: yeah`
`20:02.09`	`Kraps`	`being a dick is fun`
`20:02.27`	`Kraps`	`but i'm nice to my crew`
`20:03.55`	`fl1st4r`	`doesn't work`
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`20:04.04`	`zenzelezz`	`same error?`
`20:04.40`	`zenzelezz`	`fl1st4r: actually, small correction... try _G["TANKCHECK" .. i .. 'Text']:SetText(_G["CLASSTANK_"..i]);`
`20:05.10`	`fl1st4r`	`tryed already`
`20:05.31`	`fl1st4r`	`TANKCHECK is my checkbutton name`
`20:06.04`	`zenzelezz`	`if I'm reading your code correctly, TANKCHECK[1-4] are the names`
`20:06.11`	`fl1st4r`	`yup`
`20:06.27`	`fl1st4r`	`i do it with BUTTON, and everything work fine`
`20:06.57`	`zenzelezz`	`well are you sure UICheckButtonTemplate has a <name>Text frame?`
`20:06.58`	`fl1st4r`	`when i change it to "CHECKBUTTON" , the damn name won't display`
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`20:07.06`	`fl1st4r`	`yes`
`20:08.12`	`fl1st4r`	`http://wowuidev.pastey.net/127896`
`20:08.16`	`fl1st4r`	`this on work fine`
`20:10.03`	`zenzelezz`	`how about getglobal(checktank:GetName() .. 'Text'):SetText(_G["CLASSTANK_"..i]); then?`
`20:10.11`	`zenzelezz`	`if you already have the frame and all`
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`20:10.57`	`fl1st4r`	`damn`
`20:11.02`	`fl1st4r`	`nice shot :D`
`20:11.31`	`fl1st4r`	`thx :)`
`20:12.42`	`kraft`	`is there a way to make one frame create and start dragging another frame, without the mouse getting stuck to clicking the first?`
`20:13.33`	`kraft`	`so far i have frame1:onclick -> create frame2 frame2:startdragging. but then clicking frame2 to stop it dragging creates yet another frame`
`20:15.09`	`kraft`	`its like the mouse gets stuck with the first frame, even though it drags the second one properly`
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`20:19.57`	`zenzelezz`	`yay, peey!`
`20:20.00`	`zenzelezz`	`and peppy!`
`20:20.04`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Heya.`
`20:20.07`	`zenzelezz`	`interesting typo`
`20:20.10`	`zenzelezz`	`>.<`
`20:20.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`:P`
`20:21.07`	`Shirik`	`tackles Lopeppeppy`
`20:21.09`	`Shirik`	`happy birthday`
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`20:21.14`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Thanks, Shirik!`
`20:21.24`	`zenzelezz`	`birthday? So you're finally legal?`
`20:22.08`	`Lopeppeppy`	`As of yesterday!`
`20:22.28`	`zenzelezz`	`woot, no more holding back \o/`
`20:22.29`	`A-KO`	`pics or it didn't happen`
`20:24.01`	`AbsolutRayne`	`Do de do`
`20:24.50`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Didn't have a party, just was quiet at home.`
`20:25.23`	`AbsolutRayne`	`Lopeppeppy: Quiet Birthdays are nice sometimes`
`20:25.24`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`those are the best birthdays`
`20:25.32`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Bestest ever.`
`20:25.36`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`other people just tend to get in the way`
`20:25.53`	`AbsolutRayne`	`I was going to get you a clown, but I couldnt afford it. :(`
`20:26.01`	`AbsolutRayne`	`Or the Midget dressed as Chromie`
`20:26.10`	`Lopeppeppy`	`aww, thanks for thinking of ways to torture me, AbsolutRayne.`
`20:26.17`	`AbsolutRayne`	`<3`
`20:26.44`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Shows your deep devotion to being eeeebil.`
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`20:29.05`	`AbsolutRayne`	`:3`
`20:29.19`	`AbsolutRayne`	`Lopeppeppy: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/SinOfDreams/WoWScrnShot_110809_115955.jpg You wants?`
`20:30.36`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Of course I would want to try it!`
`20:31.03`	`zenzelezz`	`I feel a need to ask... is any of your characters named Absolutvodka?`
`20:31.33`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`~lart zenzelezz`
`20:31.33`	`purl`	`takes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking zenzelezz's head off`
`20:32.08`	`zenzelezz`	`what, he appears to have several Absolut<...>s`
`20:34.45`	`AbsolutRayne`	`Neg, none of them are`
`20:35.06`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Name would get changed super-quick, I'm sure.`
`20:35.19`	`AbsolutRayne`	`Mhm`
`20:35.42`	`zenzelezz`	`disallowed names can remain for long periods if no-one bothers to report them`
`20:36.35`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i wish the ui had a "report stupid name" button like it has for spam...`
`20:36.59`	`zenzelezz`	`I disagree`
`20:37.09`	`zenzelezz`	`make it an "illegal name" and I'm with you`
`20:37.15`	`zenzelezz`	`there are far too many stupid but legal ones`
`20:37.29`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`no, i want to get rid of the stupid ones too`
`20:37.50`	`zenzelezz`	`if they actually would change them, sure`
`20:40.17`	`Lopeppeppy`	`I'd be happy if they changed all of the ones that were against the rules, evne.`
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`21:19.21`	`Fisker`	`i got a dual-blade butcher`
`21:22.23`	`Aelo`	`careful with that thing`
`21:24.33`	`Arrowmaster`	`i love Tor`
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`21:25.08`	`Arrowmaster`	`im using it to exploit some site that tracks visitors based on ip to figure out if this is a referral scam or not`
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`21:32.41`	`foxlit`	`http://www.google.com/search?q=tree+of+height << "Tree -- Height: 6' 6'' (1.98 M) According to imdb"`
`21:34.23`	`Shirik`	`* Anyone between 6 months and 24 years old.`
`21:34.27`	`Shirik`	`How is that a risk factor for H1N1?`
`21:34.39`	`zenzelezz`	`if you're alive, you may die`
`21:35.04`	`zenzelezz`	`this discovery has worried a lot of people`
`21:35.05`	`Shirik`	`...`
`21:35.06`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Underdeveloped immune systems, general lifestyle observations, etc.`
`21:35.19`	`Shirik`	`I can understand the 6 months to 12 years maybe`
`21:35.21`	`Shirik`	`but 24?`
`21:35.42`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Did you hear about the 30ish RPI students who all caught it from each other playing beer pong?`
`21:35.49`	`Shirik`	`lol`
`21:35.51`	`Lopeppeppy`	`... age is a risk factor in lifestyle choices. :)`
`21:35.57`	`Shirik`	`as bad as this sounds, they deserve that`
`21:36.00`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`or the huge outbreak at PAX`
`21:36.03`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Same reason car insurance is more expensive under 25.`
`21:36.07`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`Shirik: no, they don't`
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`21:43.33`	`Fisker`	`don't beer pong bro`
`21:46.15`	`Iriel`	`If you do, dont be cheap, buy your own.`
`21:48.35`	`alestane`	`Is there an add-on that just puts a faint ring on the mini-map at about the limit of tracking skills?`
`21:48.52`	`Fisker`	`i still got a dual-blade butcher btw`
`21:53.12`	`Iriel`	`alestane: I almost wrote one, but then (a) it's not quite that simple (it doesn't feel like it's doing a normal circular clip always, it's "about right" but not quite) (b) some zones have different zooms and I didn't want to deal with the scale factors and (c) I find 2-clicks-out is about right for tracking and use that, oh and (d) phasing screws with everything in northrend`
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`21:58.22`	`Yssaril`	`Shirik: older people will most likely have seen a flue virus similar to H1N1 as such they are much better at fighting it off`
`21:59.17`	`Yssaril`	`as such younger people are at an increased risk to the virus because their imune system as never seen anything like it and will have to start from scratch`
`21:59.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`they already said there was some outbreak in the 50s or 60s that anybody that had it seems to be immune to H1N1`
`21:59.39`	`sylvanaar`	`phasing should be even more fun in the expac with terrian changes`
`22:00.28`	`Yssaril`	`sylvanaar: will they actually phase terrian? not just objects (houses npc etc)`
`22:01.11`	`sylvanaar`	`Yssaril my reading was that the terrain would change`
`22:01.21`	`cogwheel`	`sighs at his 'puter`
`22:01.50`	`Yssaril`	`cool though i can see it now "crap i accepted the quest and the world disapeared"`
`22:02.15`	`sylvanaar`	`its really confusing`
`22:02.39`	`sylvanaar`	`i had that undercity quest forever - and didnt know it`
`22:02.47`	`Yssaril`	`lol`
`22:02.49`	`cogwheel`	`<3s his droid`
`22:03.08`	`Yssaril`	`cogwheel: is it as awsome as the commericals made it out to be?`
`22:03.18`	`sylvanaar`	`or the techcrunch fanbois`
`22:04.11`	`cogwheel`	`Yssaril: except for the camera which can't focus worth a damn`
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`22:04.43`	`sylvanaar`	`whats the gold box for`
`22:04.49`	`Yssaril`	`yea heared about that problem (though if you want to take a picture that looks nice bring a damn camera imo)`
`22:04.49`	`cogwheel`	`i'm typing on it right now via ssh to my server`
`22:05.03`	`cogwheel`	`exactly`
`22:05.18`	`Yssaril`	`so ircing over ssh atm?`
`22:05.29`	`cogwheel`	`ya =D`
`22:05.37`	`Yssaril`	`i hate you /cry`
`22:05.39`	`Shirik`	`so it's good huh?`
`22:05.53`	`sylvanaar`	`did you own an iphone cogwheel`
`22:06.57`	`cogwheel`	`well i came from a centro so I'm sure I'd be similarly impressed with the iphone`
`22:07.07`	`sylvanaar`	`yeah - thats my take`
`22:07.24`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`the droid IS quite slick.`
`22:07.28`	`sylvanaar`	`it is`
`22:07.34`	`cogwheel`	`god this needs a dvorak kb... would be so much faster`
`22:07.38`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i had a chance to poke around with my friend's`
`22:07.49`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`i still dislike its hardware kb, though`
`22:08.15`	`sylvanaar`	`i think it can compete with iphone at least`
`22:08.36`	`sylvanaar`	`some people thing its going to be the pc of smartphones`
`22:08.48`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`the droid? eh, maybe.`
`22:08.52`	`AbsolutRayne`	`Mmmmm, Cage the Elephant`
`22:09.05`	`sylvanaar`	`yeah, since there are so many clones coming to market next year`
`22:09.15`	`cogwheel`	`yeah... it makes me stop pining over our dead laptop`
`22:09.36`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`frankly, i think phone makers can do better than the droid.`
`22:09.49`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`its nice, and slick, but the non-iphone oferings have been rather week so..`
`22:10.01`	`sylvanaar`	`well see`
`22:10.02`	`cogwheel`	`indubitably (sp?)`
`22:10.03`	`batbot`	`cogwheel, indubitably is correct.`
`22:10.03`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`weak*`
`22:10.11`	`sylvanaar`	`apple had an 8 year head start`
`22:10.32`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`eh?`
`22:10.54`	`sylvanaar`	`well - w/e the iphone was in development for 6 years before they released kt`
`22:11.00`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`sure`
`22:11.11`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`but the industry was there long before apple got involved`
`22:11.27`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`that they're lagging behind is the fault of their own laziness/greed.`
`22:12.13`	`cogwheel`	`anyway... gotta go digging around in NOODLYAPPENDAGE`
`22:12.25`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Um, okay, have fun?`
`22:12.27`	`Yssaril`	`yea it took the iphone to create the demand for smart phones from the everyday user to get them to move imo`
`22:12.54`	`sylvanaar`	`yeah - there really was nothing in the smartphone market that was very innovative`
`22:13.14`	`sylvanaar`	`windows mobile - i have worked with those devices for 10 years`
`22:13.32`	`sylvanaar`	`they are no different today than they were 10 years ago`
`22:13.45`	`sylvanaar`	`just faster and with color`
`22:14.30`	`sylvanaar`	`(for me that was a good thing - it meant that i didnt have to change my application very much)`
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`22:20.46`	`WobWork`	`jnwhiteh: 'fiance' =)`
`22:21.17`	`Fisker`	`slaps WobWork around a bit with a large trout`
`22:21.25`	`Fisker`	`i got a dual-blade butcher`
`22:23.42`	`jnwhiteh`	`no,finance.`
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`22:26.00`	`WobWork`	`jnwhiteh: that whole sentence is now confuzzling =)`
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`22:39.47`	`Yssaril`	`rofl http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/181697/first_iphone_worm_spreads_rick_astley_wallpaper.html`
`22:40.03`	`Lopeppeppy`	`:)`
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`22:43.24`	`DWSR`	`anyone have time to help with an (assumably simple) C program I'm having problems with?`
`22:43.45`	`foxlit`	`Maaybe?`
`22:43.54`	`DWSR`	`s/with/writing/`
`22:43.56`	`foxlit`	`I'd asktoask you, but that's just boring.`
`22:44.02`	`DWSR`	`lol`
`22:44.03`	`DWSR`	`http://pastey.net/127909-110l`
`22:44.25`	`DWSR`	`I'm having trouble with the for loops. I've read the teacher's notes and I can't seem to find what the hell I did wrong.`
`22:44.26`	`foxlit`	`wow, pastey's C highlighting sucks.`
`22:44.30`	`DWSR`	`Yes.`
`22:44.34`	`DWSR`	`I noticed after I pasted.`
`22:44.36`	`DWSR`	`anyway`
`22:44.44`	`Shirik`	`A job opening matching your profile for a Minneapolis Open House-HR 0000003L has`
`22:44.45`	`Shirik`	`just been posted in our career section.`
`22:44.50`	`Shirik`	`Do I look like an HR representative?`
`22:44.50`	`Shirik`	`wtf`
`22:45.14`	`foxlit`	`DWSR: for (i=0; i>size; i++)`
`22:45.18`	`DWSR`	`mhm`
`22:45.22`	`foxlit`	`That greater-than sign is very, very strange.`
`22:45.24`	`Shirik`	`nooooo`
`22:45.27`	`Shirik`	`use ++i, not i++`
`22:45.52`	`DWSR`	`Shirik: While I understand the difference, I'm pretty sure I don't care for that particular usage. ;)`
`22:45.57`	`DWSR`	`foxlit: Why?`
`22:46.10`	`Shirik`	`always pre-increment in for loops!`
`22:46.18`	`foxlit`	`DWSR: the loop executes as long as the condition is true.`
`22:46.26`	`DWSR`	`Ah, thakns.`
`22:46.27`	`DWSR`	`>.<`
`22:46.31`	`foxlit`	`so for(i=0; i < 5; i++) would iterate from 0 to 4`
`22:47.09`	`DWSR`	`foxlit: Thank ye.`
`22:47.32`	`Shirik`	`C/C++ should abolish the "while" loop`
`22:47.41`	`Shirik`	`there's no need for it`
`22:47.45`	`foxlit`	`do {} while();`
`22:48.16`	`Shirik`	`#define while(x) for(; x ;)`
`22:48.27`	`foxlit`	`That would make the above fail to compile.`
`22:48.28`	`Fisker`	`RRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE`
`22:48.39`	`Shirik`	`well yes`
`22:48.46`	`Shirik`	`but you could still get rid of while loops :)`
`22:48.47`	`Fisker`	`Shirik`
`22:48.48`	`Fisker`	`you`
`22:48.49`	`Fisker`	`me`
`22:48.50`	`Shirik`	`not do while, I didn't say that`
`22:48.58`	`foxlit`	`Is there a point?`
`22:49.02`	`Fisker`	`i need to kill people`
`22:49.07`	`Shirik`	`to make the language harder to read`
`22:49.32`	`DWSR`	`lol`
`22:50.06`	`DWSR`	`this program has such logic fail in it.`
`22:50.09`	`Fisker`	`Shirik`
`22:50.10`	`Fisker`	`help me`
`22:50.12`	`Shirik`	`Fisker`
`22:50.13`	`Shirik`	`no`
`22:50.18`	`DWSR`	`We're told to use all integers.`
`22:50.23`	`DWSR`	`For fucking division?`
`22:50.27`	`DWSR`	`FLAIL.`
`22:51.23`	`Fisker`	`do it Shirik`
`22:51.29`	`Fisker`	`Starcraft 2 beta was postponed to 2010 :(`
`22:51.36`	`Shirik`	`surprised?`
`22:51.41`	`DWSR`	`I just bought both the KT and Pandaren pets. :D`
`22:51.48`	`Fisker`	`yes Shirik`
`22:51.50`	`Fisker`	`very.`
`22:53.08`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Awww, that makes me sad, but it's not unexepected.`
`22:54.09`	`cogwheel`	`Lopeppeppy: that's my computer's name :>`
`22:54.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Unexpected?`
`22:54.17`	`cogwheel`	`(noodlyappendage)`
`22:54.19`	`Fisker`	`i actually thought it was launching in a couple of weeks due to b.net merging here the 12th`
`22:54.21`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Ah.`
`22:54.45`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Fisker, that's probably more about the whole cross-faction cross-server grouping thingie.`
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`22:55.14`	`Fisker`	`why?`
`22:55.38`	`Fisker`	`and you can't group cross-faction :P`
`22:57.16`	`foxlit`	`Though that would be awesome`
`22:57.27`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Oh, whatever. laugh`
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`23:02.47`	`DWSR`	`foxlit: In C, how can I make a program have truly random output every time?`
`23:03.08`	`DWSR`	`foxlit: rand() returns the same sequence of numbers every time, so could I use srand(rand())?`
`23:03.28`	`Fisker`	`pwnt Lopeppeppy`
`23:04.41`	`Lopeppeppy`	`Yeah, so I'm not paying attention. I'm writing, not chatting! :)`
`23:05.06`	`foxlit`	`DWSR: That'd still be deterministic`
`23:05.24`	`foxlit`	`as rand() would just give the same value every time.`
`23:05.44`	`DWSR`	`foxlit: Well, the default seed is 1, right?`
`23:06.10`	`DWSR`	`foxlit: So assuming that the first number that rand() returns isn't 1, it would change the seed`
`23:06.15`	`Aelo`	`dont you need to use the current time in the seed somehow? :P`
`23:06.21`	`foxlit`	`Yes, but it would change the seed to the same value every time.`
`23:06.28`	`foxlit`	`Which isn't any better than keeping it at 1 :)`
`23:06.46`	`foxlit`	`You'd have to steal some data from a random source -- the clock is probably the most accessible.`
`23:06.52`	`DWSR`	`foxlit: Howto?`
`23:06.59`	`DWSR`	`Want to really fuck my TAs over.`
`23:07.14`	`DWSR`	`One of them was a real dick and said that he didn't like my choice of do while over a for loop in my last assignment.`
`23:07.27`	`DWSR`	`So I want to make this program as random as possible.`
`23:07.39`	`Aelo`	`give it an afro`
`23:07.40`	`foxlit`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time.h`
`23:09.03`	`foxlit`	`srand ( time(NULL) ); should do the trick.`
`23:09.04`	`DWSR`	`foxlit: Where would I put srand()? In main?`
`23:09.28`	`foxlit`	`Up to you, really. It just has to run.`
`23:09.40`	`DWSR`	`ah,`
`23:10.17`	`DWSR`	`I'm going to guess that the TAs are counting on the fact that almost everyone will not use srand to change the seed.`
`23:10.25`	`DWSR`	`So they'll have a really easy time marking the responses.`
`23:10.32`	`Lopeppeppy`	`"it's a Mexican standoff, only we ain't got no Mexicans."`
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`23:15.46`	`fl1st4r`	`how can i use i=x in SetScript() ? i try like this to call the function BUTTON1_Onclick() ...... button:SetScript("OnClick", function() BUTTON..i.._OnClick() end)`
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`23:18.10`	`Aelo`	`_G[button:GetName.."_OnClick"] ?`
`23:21.01`	`fl1st4r`	`nope, function arguments expected near '..'`
`23:21.20`	`Aelo`	`GetName()`
`23:24.02`	`fl1st4r`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`23:25.04`	`foxlit`	`()`
`23:26.20`	`fl1st4r`	`code http://wowuidev.pastey.net/127911`
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`23:30.44`	`sylvanaar`	`anyone see this southpark "the f word"`
`23:30.48`	`sylvanaar`	`http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/251889`
`23:31.04`	`sylvanaar`	`lol, thats all i can say - it was totally offensive and funny`
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`23:31.29`	`Thunder_Child`	`soooo....like half the people in this channel?`
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`23:31.51`	`sylvanaar`	`what`
`23:32.07`	`sylvanaar`	`half the channel is offensive?`
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`23:32.17`	`sylvanaar`	`i guess you are right`
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`23:33.16`	`sylvanaar`	`lol Eye-Tal-Yun`
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`23:33.46`	`Thunder_Child`	`offsensive and funny`
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`23:34.32`	`*** join/#wowuidev Codayus_ (i=cody@lilly.csoft.net)`
`23:35.28`	`*** join/#wowuidev Antiarc (n=Antiarc@wsip-70-167-195-98.ph.ph.cox.net)`
`23:35.35`	`sylvanaar`	`yeah`
`23:35.48`	`sylvanaar`	`the episode is really funny`
`23:37.13`	`Thunder_Child`	`i hate southpark`
`23:37.17`	`A-KO`	`http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VDvgL58h_Y < this is really funny :P`
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`23:43.34`	`DWSR`	`lol, did you guys hear about Microsoft COFEE?`
`23:44.05`	`sylvanaar`	`ms coffee`
`23:44.06`	`Jerub`	`is it a funny story?`
`23:44.07`	`sylvanaar`	`lol`
`23:44.23`	`sylvanaar`	`"when you really need to reboot"`
`23:44.25`	`DWSR`	`It's a rather interesting story relating to COFEE.`
`23:45.02`	`DWSR`	`Anyway`
`23:45.16`	`DWSR`	`http://pastey.net/127913 <-- If you don't know, what.cd is one of the largest private torrent trackers.`
`23:46.44`	`DWSR`	`The bounty system that they're talking about is a way for users with high share ratios to encourage content that they want to be uploaded to the site. It basically adds upload to the user's upload total who fills the bounty.`
`23:46.56`	`DWSR`	`the bounty on COFEE was ~2TB`
`23:48.08`	`Jerub`	`interesting.`
`23:48.14`	`DWSR`	`Indeed.`
`23:48.25`	`Jerub`	`I've got a friend who does forensics for the AFP, I'll ask him what he thinks of that.`
`23:48.42`	`DWSR`	`Jerub: Plz2not mention what.cd specifically.`
`23:48.54`	`*** join/#wowuidev govtrust (n=govtrust@222-144.175-24.bham.res.rr.com)`
`23:49.21`	`Arrowmaster`	`thats the successor to oink right?`
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`23:49.57`	`NightHawkTheSane`	`yes`
`23:50.23`	`Jerub`	`DWSR: kk.`
`23:50.39`	`Arrowmaster`	`do they have the stupid bullshit oink had where they deleted accounts if you didnt login to it every month or so`
`23:51.07`	`*** join/#wowuidev Tinyboom (n=nahh@41.80-202-154.nextgentel.com)`
`23:51.14`	`DWSR`	`Inactivity?`
`23:51.16`	`DWSR`	`believe so.`
`23:51.32`	`Arrowmaster`	`yeah thats just fucking stupid`
`23:51.45`	`DWSR`	`why?`
`23:52.06`	`DWSR`	`Oh wait, nvm.`
`23:52.07`	`DWSR`	`They don't have that`
`23:53.12`	`DWSR`	`I've never had to worry because I donated there, and I'm a power user anyway.`
`23:53.17`	`Arrowmaster`	`i got an invite to oink way back when it first started and there was nothing i was interested in that had any decent peers so since i didnt get over 50gb uploaded my account was deleted a month later`
`23:53.26`	`DWSR`	`I would be elite, but i cbf to upload torrents.`
`23:53.38`	`DWSR`	`Arrowmaster: I have invites to what if you want.`
`23:53.44`	`Jerub`	`i was on a local city torrent tracker a while back.`
`23:54.17`	`Jerub`	`then 3 private trackers got vanned in a week, and they decided to 'close down' and reopen under a different name with better signup procedures.`
`23:54.30`	`Arrowmaster`	`ill take invites to anything as long as it doesnt have inactivity deletion`
`23:55.02`	`Arrowmaster`	`only got a demonoid and one other private tracker account`
`23:55.07`	`Lopeppeppy`	`"It's an Addams!"`
`23:55.10`	`DWSR`	`oh, nvm.`
`23:55.15`	`DWSR`	`Looked a little deeper.`
`23:55.17`	`DWSR`	`It's once every 4 months.`
`23:55.19`	`WobWork`	`http://torrentfreak.com/cofee-forensic-tool-leaks-to-what-cd-admins-ban-it-091108/`
`23:55.31`	`DWSR`	`If you don't log in every 4 months, they remove your account for inactivity.`
`23:55.42`	`Arrowmaster`	`no way to get around it?`
`23:56.29`	`DWSR`	`lol`
`23:56.32`	`DWSR`	`Donate`
`23:56.34`	`DWSR`	`Or become a power user`
`23:57.02`	`Lopeppeppy`	`If you're not logging in for 4 months straight, what do you care anymore if they delete you?`
`23:57.48`	`Arrowmaster`	`it matters when you must get somebody to invite you to even get an account`
`23:58.16`	`Lopeppeppy`	`So log in and use this oh-so-precious account, and it's not an issue.`

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