| 00:00.45 | tem | Shirik, Drunken heroics are _awesome_ |
| 00:00.49 | foxlit | wonders what managing health food implies. |
| 00:00.53 | Shirik | ? |
| 00:01.03 | Shirik | foxlit: I assumed a health food store manager |
| 00:01.42 | foxlit | Maybe his job is to tell broccoli to use the new cover page for TPS reports |
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| 00:09.58 | Ackis | is there a feat of strength for killing anub hard mode for the first time? |
| 00:10.47 | NightHawkTheSane | there might be server first achievements, but not a feat of str. |
| 00:11.19 | NightHawkTheSane | er, unless the server first stuff are feats, i forget |
| 00:11.30 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure they are |
| 00:11.57 | Shirik | the whole point of feats is "difficult or impossible for others, so don't award them any points" |
| 00:12.18 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, as i was typing it that occurred to me |
| 00:13.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Ackis: http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=4078 |
| 00:14.18 | NightHawkTheSane | thats only if you do it with 50 attempts remaining, though |
| 00:14.33 | Ackis | ah ok yah I found those wasn't sure if there was one just for the first kill however |
| 00:14.46 | Ackis | oh well fuck wow, afk xbox |
| 00:14.49 | NightHawkTheSane | not as far as i can determine just perusing wowhead |
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| 00:31.45 | Lunessa | afk xbox I wonder if we'll see that in raids. |
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| 00:35.18 | Shirik | (19:34:38) (@Shirik) wtf |
| 00:35.18 | Shirik | (19:34:42) (@Shirik) there is a dead pixel on this webpage |
| 00:35.18 | Shirik | (19:34:46) (@Shirik) it had me scared for a second |
| 00:35.19 | Shirik | (19:34:57) * Disconnected |
| 00:35.33 | Shirik | then I checked to make sure it wasn't dust |
| 00:35.46 | Shirik | I finally realized it went away when I go to look at something else |
| 00:35.56 | Shirik | now the question is wtf a webpage is doing with one white pixel on a black background |
| 00:36.24 | Shirik | ... I'm going to assume it's this <img src="http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/1.gif" alt="" id="TargetImageDE" name="TargetImageDE" width="1" height="1" onLoad="getDEAdHeadCookie(this)"> |
| 00:36.35 | Dagmar | Shirik: Tracking you |
| 00:36.50 | Shirik | why can't it be off the screen or something |
| 00:37.02 | Shirik | I mean there's a million ways to do this without making your page look suck |
| 00:37.11 | Shirik | oh... |
| 00:37.12 | Shirik | I get it |
| 00:37.19 | Shirik | on IE, it's just barely low enough that it won't show up |
| 00:37.29 | Shirik | sighs |
| 00:39.00 | NightHawkTheSane | man i love PA: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/11/4/truly-fascinating-phenomenon/ |
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| 00:40.05 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: is that how it goes, eh? =) |
| 00:40.41 | Shirik | lol NightHawkTheSane |
| 00:41.17 | Dagmar | I think they're spying on me |
| 00:41.35 | Dagmar | I spent my playtime of the last two days flipping between Torchlight and Dragon Age |
| 00:42.12 | Dagmar | The blood spatter is an issue |
| 00:43.48 | WobWork | From what I've seen of the game |
| 00:43.52 | WobWork | it appears pretty epic |
| 00:44.00 | WobWork | almost KillBillish |
| 00:44.10 | Dagmar | Well, it's definitely epic |
| 00:44.22 | Lunessa | Bloodsplatter would make a good guild name |
| 00:44.29 | Dagmar | There's a very serious sense that this is the game Oblivion wanted to be, if it weren't so busy EATING ALL MY GPU CYCLES |
| 00:44.42 | Dagmar | ...but um, the bloodspatter is a little unsettling. |
| 00:44.44 | WobWork | Dagmar: Yeah, that's what I asked a friend |
| 00:44.54 | WobWork | "Is this what the Elder Scrolls was meant to be?" |
| 00:45.03 | Shirik | sweet |
| 00:45.03 | Dagmar | You kill something, you get covered from head to toe in spatter |
| 00:45.06 | Shirik | my parents sent me girl scout cookies |
| 00:45.30 | Dagmar | Then a few minutes later, there's a cutscene, and for whatever reason, everyone in your party except YOU is as pristine as a rose |
| 00:46.00 | Dagmar | Not that it's always you, but cutscenes tend to look like something really bad just happened that no one wants to talk about |
| 00:46.30 | Dagmar | You can shed the spatter by forcing the client to reskin your toon by simply taking off and putting back on some armor |
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| 00:46.54 | Dagmar | WobWork: It doesn't hurt that Claudia Black does the voice acting for one of your companions |
| 00:47.23 | Dagmar | ...and if you do anything altruistic or selfless that risks your own hide, it'll piss her off. Heh |
| 00:47.50 | Dagmar | Her and your other first party member bicker more or less constantly until you pick up a third |
| 00:50.41 | Dagmar | My only complaint about gameplay so far as that I can't seem to get enough mana. Heh |
| 00:50.58 | Dagmar | Oh, and friendly fire is ALWAYS on unless you select Easy Mode |
| 00:51.33 | Dagmar | This does mean things like the chain lightning spell isn't necessarily something you want to use if you're in the middle of a bunch of enemies |
| 00:51.49 | Dagmar | Don't be one of the people they're closest to. lol |
| 00:53.54 | Hirsute | Dagmar: What game? |
| 00:54.01 | Dagmar | Dragon Age: Origin |
| 00:54.13 | Thunder_Child | i hate have more than one person in that game |
| 00:54.18 | Thunder_Child | in any game actually |
| 00:54.30 | Dagmar | I *really* expected to be spending tonight looking for a new video card, but no... Mine runs it fine |
| 00:54.35 | WobWork | like WoW? =P |
| 00:54.39 | Cairenn | daughter LOVES DA:O |
| 00:54.45 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: You might wanna get the console version then since it's combat is easier |
| 00:54.50 | WobWork | Is that cause it has dragons in it? |
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| 00:54.57 | Cairenn | ummm |
| 00:54.58 | Dagmar | WobWork: They are not nice dragons |
| 00:55.00 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, is there moore than one person? |
| 00:55.06 | Dagmar | Iv'e only seen one, and basically, it's keeping it's hoard for now |
| 00:55.06 | Thunder_Child | more* |
| 00:55.22 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: There's a total of three party members max, so four counting you |
| 00:55.26 | Cairenn | they are definitely not nice dragons |
| 00:55.35 | Kraps | is mass effect good? |
| 00:55.38 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, then it wont make a diff |
| 00:55.40 | Dagmar | Kraps: Yes. |
| 00:56.00 | Kraps | 10 bucks on steam |
| 00:56.06 | Dagmar | I gotta find a way to enable more combat slots |
| 00:56.11 | Dagmar | They dropped Mass Effect to ten bucks? |
| 00:56.18 | Dagmar | It was twenty just a few days ago |
| 00:57.17 | Dagmar | The only serious complaint I have about DA:O is that there's a bit of Gordon Freemanism goin' on |
| 00:57.43 | Dagmar | There's craploads of dialogue, and everyone has a voice actor but you. |
| 00:57.55 | Thunder_Child | does thevery work to pick locks? |
| 00:58.16 | Dagmar | You picked from seven or so possible voices for yourself in the character creator, but the only time you hear yourself say anything is when you're quipping during battle. |
| 00:58.18 | Thunder_Child | thievery* |
| 00:58.21 | Dagmar | ...and so are the other three toons. |
| 00:58.28 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Yes |
| 00:58.35 | Thunder_Child | wish it has said that |
| 00:58.39 | Thunder_Child | had* |
| 00:59.22 | Dagmar | It's kinda weird to be working through a dialog scene and your character is just standing there, smiling beatifically while covered in blood spatter |
| 01:00.44 | Thunder_Child | i wish it was just blood, i am constantly shedding ash |
| 01:01.24 | Dagmar | Ugh yeah that's actually bits of stone, afaict |
| 01:01.34 | Dagmar | It'll get worse as you pick up a bard |
| 01:01.44 | Thunder_Child | oh...it's the stone spell...fail |
| 01:01.50 | Dagmar | Then you've got some weird phantasmal buff effect from that as well |
| 01:02.04 | Dagmar | They need to add more robes tho |
| 01:02.59 | Thunder_Child | i am also playing divinity II and the storylines are starting to mush together in my head :( |
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| 01:03.54 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: lol |
| 01:04.23 | Dagmar | I'll be damned they did drop the price of Mass Effect to ten bucks |
| 01:04.28 | Kraps | game review website you like most /discuss |
| 01:04.36 | Dagmar | Penny-Arcade. |
| 01:04.51 | Kraps | Dagmar: http://store.steampowered.com/app/17460/ |
| 01:05.13 | ScytheBlade1 | PA indeed |
| 01:06.31 | WobWork | ZeroPunctuation |
| 01:06.54 | Dagmar | I cuold swear Tycho had commented on the overkill Monty Haulness of Fate requiring pets be able to sell the excess loot for you before |
| 01:07.02 | Dagmar | ...when it was called Fate. |
| 01:07.26 | Kraps | WobWork: something a bit more comprehensive :) |
| 01:07.28 | Dagmar | Normally I would be a bit put off by them making the _same_ game so many times over, but they get a magnitude or order better at it each time |
| 01:07.56 | Dagmar | Kraps: I think it's safe to say that the greasy foreigner on ZP is pretty comprehensive in how he pans games he doesn't like |
| 01:08.14 | kd3 | which is... most of them? |
| 01:08.23 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 01:08.43 | NightHawkTheSane | oddly, because most games are crap? ;) |
| 01:08.47 | Thunder_Child | Kraps, gamespot |
| 01:08.50 | NightHawkTheSane | or not so oddly, as it were |
| 01:09.06 | Shirik | hmm |
| 01:09.19 | Shirik | I'm watching live feed in preparation for a press conference at Ft Hood |
| 01:09.21 | Dagmar | I'm rather hoping theres a way to mod DA:O a bit. There's some stuff I'd like to fix... like variable levels of blood spatter instead of just "clean" and "covered from head to toe" |
| 01:09.27 | Shirik | no news anchors or anything, just a camera sitting there |
| 01:09.32 | Shirik | and I just heard the Ft Hood siren go off again |
| 01:09.42 | Dagmar | ...and I'd like to do something about the issue of ALL the party members quipping so goddamn much during battles |
| 01:09.45 | Shirik | so now I have no idea what to make of it -_- |
| 01:09.55 | Dagmar | CNN? |
| 01:10.33 | Shirik | well sure, but CNN doesn't have much to do with it |
| 01:10.36 | Shirik | it's just a camera sitting there |
| 01:12.14 | Dagmar | Usually they stick a talking head in the middle of it tho |
| 01:12.55 | Shirik | well this isn't what's on TV or anything |
| 01:13.13 | Shirik | they're getting ready for a press conference and I just kinda have my feed stuck on it in the background while I'm coding |
| 01:13.27 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 01:14.30 | Shirik | ooh |
| 01:14.39 | Shirik | and then it weent "beep ... beep beeeeeep" |
| 01:14.44 | Shirik | :D |
| 01:14.59 | Shirik | it must really suck tobe a reporter |
| 01:15.05 | Shirik | sit around for an hour for something 15 minutes long |
| 01:16.13 | Kraps | i have an amazing knack for spoiling plots for myself |
| 01:16.30 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, you get paid to sit around....so not really |
| 01:16.42 | Shirik | I do? |
| 01:16.44 | Shirik | oh |
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| 01:23.00 | Kraps | tug-of-war championship woot http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxvWbLQCh7k&feature=player_embedded |
| 01:24.18 | Dagmar | Who's playing who? |
| 01:24.51 | Dagmar | Damn Yahtzee does *not* think well on his feet |
| 01:31.24 | Shirik | ..... |
| 01:31.27 | Shirik | I swear I'm working with morons |
| 01:31.39 | Shirik | int speed = GetDatabaseEntry("VehicleSpeed.Data"); |
| 01:31.40 | Shirik | speed=(int)speed;//casting the double speed to round to the nearest int |
| 01:31.53 | NightHawkTheSane | er... what? |
| 01:32.07 | NightHawkTheSane | that uh, wont do that, right? |
| 01:32.11 | Shirik | no |
| 01:32.17 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, i'm not misremembering my c, yeah? |
| 01:32.18 | Dagmar | hahah |
| 01:32.21 | Dagmar | wow |
| 01:32.29 | Dagmar | Might as well be looking to generate a random number |
| 01:32.59 | Shirik | We redid the database system so I have to redo this anyway (which is why I'm reading it) |
| 01:33.07 | Shirik | So I decided to leave this in, commented out, with: // Left in for posterity. Seriously Alex? Seriously? |
| 01:36.20 | Dagmar | Some people have intersting ideas about casting |
| 01:37.02 | Dagmar | Could be a thing like when I was 2 and they tried to do the colored-blocks-in-holes test on me |
| 01:37.29 | Dagmar | They said to put the blocks into holes they fit in. So I did. All the blocks fit through the round hole quite easily. |
| 01:37.45 | kd3 | lol |
| 01:38.55 | Dagmar | Turns out that being able to actually read at age 2 rings alarm bells for child development people |
| 01:43.14 | cog|away | how dare your parents pre-empt the educational system by reading to you as an infant! |
| 01:43.15 | WobWork | ... why? |
| 01:44.05 | Dagmar | Wasn't my parents, it was mainly tbe babysitter |
| 01:44.09 | Dagmar | ...and the newspaper |
| 01:44.21 | WobWork | You were reading the babysitter? |
| 01:44.44 | Dagmar | No, reading with and then reading to |
| 01:44.56 | WobWork | but why alarm bells? |
| 01:45.00 | Dagmar | I was bored a lot, she read a paper and I'd sit in her lap. |
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| 01:45.30 | Dagmar | You're not really supposed to be able to understand abstracts well enough when you're still two apparently |
| 01:45.47 | Dagmar | Like, if a kid learns to walk before they learn to crawl, there's actually a good chance there's a developmental disorder |
| 01:45.58 | cog|away | i learned to run before i learned to walk |
| 01:46.10 | WobWork | most kids do |
| 01:46.17 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|away: well, that explains everything |
| 01:46.17 | WobWork | cause it's easier to run than walk |
| 01:46.23 | Dagmar | ...and kittens and puppies. |
| 01:46.24 | Dagmar | Hehe |
| 01:46.25 | cog|away | asimo says otherwise :P |
| 01:46.39 | Dagmar | Yep. Easier to run because all you have to do is not fall completely over |
| 01:46.52 | NeoTron | my kids didn't do much 4-legged walking. went from belly crawling to two leg walking |
| 01:46.54 | WobWork | the faster you run, the more chance you're closer to a wall or furniture to prop yourself up |
| 01:48.09 | NeoTron | in a way comparable to biking really slow, and biking fast |
| 01:48.16 | cog|away | shrugs |
| 01:48.23 | NeoTron | it's a lot harder to bike slowly due to the whole balancing issue |
| 01:48.25 | NeoTron | or something |
| 01:48.31 | Dagmar | heh yeah try maintaining 15mph in a school zone on a scooter |
| 01:48.37 | WobWork | well a bike is somewhat different |
| 01:48.38 | cog|away | running involves having both feet off the ground at the same time |
| 01:48.44 | WobWork | due to the wheels assisting balance |
| 01:48.46 | NeoTron | I think though, most kids learn to walk before they learn to run and ending said run with a stop to standup mode |
| 01:48.50 | WobWork | the faster they go |
| 01:48.51 | NeoTron | without running into some solid object |
| 01:48.53 | cog|away | NeoTron: that's due to gyroscopic effects |
| 01:48.59 | cog|away | not really applicable to children ;) |
| 01:49.06 | Dagmar | hahah |
| 01:49.06 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 01:49.12 | cogwheel | (except when they spin around like mad) |
| 01:49.15 | NeoTron | of course it is :P |
| 01:49.19 | WobWork | cogwheel: depnds how hard you spin them =) |
| 01:49.25 | NeoTron | don't your kids have wheels? |
| 01:49.36 | WobWork | bolts training wheels to his niece |
| 01:50.05 | WobWork | have you see those 'bike' training wheels they developed for kids? |
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| 01:50.07 | NeoTron | I suspect a lot of running is attempts at walking, but compensating for bad balance |
| 01:50.27 | WobWork | the wheel actually has an internal powered gyroscope |
| 01:51.06 | NeoTron | let's just say that as a parent I don't understand why anyone would be in a hurry in having their kids get more mobile |
| 01:51.14 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 01:51.24 | Dagmar | I'm with you there |
| 01:51.40 | NeoTron | except if it's outside reasonble bounds that is |
| 01:51.46 | NeoTron | wouldn't want to have a 2yo that can't walk |
| 01:54.34 | Cairenn | I still don't understand how a child being able to read by age two is somehow a learning problem |
| 01:55.16 | Dagmar | I was reading newspapers. |
| 01:55.23 | Dagmar | ...and it's the south. |
| 01:55.59 | Dagmar | At least I don't recall them asking me to try to lift coffee mugs with my mind |
| 01:56.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: paranoia that their child is stupid! |
| 01:56.38 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Lack of conformity |
| 01:56.57 | NeoTron | can't say that my kids read by 2 but they were overall rather slow early on. However now, at age 8, it's hard to find books that challenge especially my daughter without having content that's too mature |
| 01:57.04 | NeoTron | she reads at, at least, 6 grade level |
| 01:57.15 | Kraps | wow, how many topless women/female creatures are there in DA:O? |
| 01:57.16 | NeoTron | and 8 btw is 3rd grade |
| 01:57.18 | A-KO | so give her mature content :P |
| 01:57.34 | NeoTron | I'd rather not have subject matters that aren't appropriate :P |
| 01:57.41 | Dagmar | Most kids that are capable of reading adult-level stuff at two (not almost three, but two and a couple months) were being pushed a lot |
| 01:57.43 | Cairenn | NeoTron: go to your local library and introduce her to Greek and Roman mythology |
| 01:57.44 | NeoTron | she did wish for a full harry potter book set for xmas though |
| 01:57.57 | Dagmar | Cairenn: He wants to avoid adult themes |
| 01:58.14 | Cairenn | I am aware of that :p |
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| 01:58.29 | Cairenn | there are a lot of the mythological stories that are acceptable under those terms |
| 01:58.53 | Dagmar | Like Zeus fooling around |
| 01:59.15 | Dagmar | Guts being eaten by birds |
| 01:59.25 | Dagmar | Wars and famines. |
| 01:59.27 | NeoTron | it's something to think about but overall there's still a lot of stuff she can read |
| 01:59.57 | NeoTron | both of them are well above grade level (i.e end of grade 3) so we're happy about that. when your biggest issue at bedtime is getting the kids to stop reading, things aren't so bad |
| 02:00.08 | A-KO | eh |
| 02:00.16 | Dagmar | Toss Norby Chronicels at her |
| 02:00.20 | Dagmar | er Chronicles. |
| 02:00.20 | A-KO | my kids will learn adult topics early on :P |
| 02:00.58 | Cairenn | Aesop's Fables :p |
| 02:01.19 | NeoTron | A-KO: it's a matter of interest too. Teenage relationships and stuf just aren't itnerested to an 8yo |
| 02:02.02 | NeoTron | and as of yet, she likes a certain kind of books. scifi/fantasy isn't really on that list yet (again doesn't really interest her) |
| 02:02.18 | Arrowmaster | NeoTron: yet harry potter is? |
| 02:02.23 | NeoTron | indeed |
| 02:02.28 | NeoTron | we saw the movies |
| 02:02.35 | Cairenn | the reason I suggested mythology is because it's just a slightly advanced version of fairy-tales and fables |
| 02:02.44 | NeoTron | but also it's sort of more like an alternative reality |
| 02:02.44 | Arrowmaster | you sure she wouldnt like LOTR? |
| 02:02.48 | NeoTron | i.e it is "now" but with magic |
| 02:03.10 | Cairenn | Narnia Chronicles |
| 02:03.11 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: that's a really heavy book. As a quite a bit older child myself (teenager at least) I had trouble with it |
| 02:03.19 | Dagmar | It's sort of like England, but with magic. |
| 02:03.21 | Arrowmaster | true |
| 02:03.32 | NeoTron | she has read narnia |
| 02:03.43 | Arrowmaster | hobbit? |
| 02:03.46 | NeoTron | rather I think I read them the first one and she might have read the second one. not sure |
| 02:03.47 | Cairenn | if she's read narnia, she can read (and enjoy) LotR |
| 02:03.58 | NeoTron | but they are sort of scary too at times |
| 02:04.03 | Cairenn | starting with the hobbit of course |
| 02:04.04 | Dagmar | Being that the Norby Chronicls features a little girl mainly, I figured she might like that |
| 02:04.09 | Cairenn | and it is a "younger" version |
| 02:04.44 | Cairenn | Nancy Drew & The Hardy Boys (kid detectives, YAY) |
| 02:05.50 | Dagmar | I'm not sure those are all that applicable anymore |
| 02:05.53 | Shirik | I remember the hardy boys |
| 02:06.23 | Dagmar | All three of those kids would have been snatched up by pedophiles before the end of hte second book if they ran around town like they did in the modern day |
| 02:06.31 | NeoTron | yeah I read those and similar as a kid |
| 02:06.32 | kd3 | ...was gonna say |
| 02:06.34 | Dagmar | ...or at least, if you believe what's on CNN they would |
| 02:06.38 | kd3 | hardy boys is really getting dated these days |
| 02:06.43 | NeoTron | heh |
| 02:08.02 | Cairenn | Little Women |
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| 02:12.05 | cogwheel | :( my poor mother-in-law grew up in the boonies so she's really gullible to marketing. i just got her dogs off a sham flea/tick treatment |
| 02:12.07 | NeoTron | I think she read that |
| 02:12.36 | NeoTron | my son's favorite books right now are Garfield Pet Force :P |
| 02:13.16 | NeoTron | they are a bit easy but it's reading |
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| 02:33.44 | cogwheel | /headdesk |
| 02:33.46 | cogwheel | http://www.prefixmag.com/news/michael-jackson-set-to-appear-on-special-live-tv-s/34345/ |
| 02:34.08 | kd3 | lmao |
| 02:35.04 | Dagmar | Whaaaa |
| 02:35.43 | Dagmar | Oh dear god lol |
| 02:38.28 | Arrowmaster | the comment is so bad |
| 02:38.32 | Arrowmaster | yet i laughed |
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| 02:42.18 | Seerah | sighs... Brain can't think of why the ptr won't install... :( |
| 02:42.35 | kd3 | what errors are you getting? |
| 02:44.02 | Seerah | says wow isn't installed. |
| 02:44.27 | Seerah | wow is in D:\Games\World of Warcraft and the ptr installer is at D:\Games\blah blah blah |
| 02:46.20 | Corrodias | has it got the registry set up and everything? |
| 02:47.16 | Seerah | wow? I assume so, since I've been playing on it... :) |
| 02:47.23 | kd3 | ^ this. run wow once as an admin |
| 02:47.38 | Corrodias | sometimes games can work nicely without having their installation/uninstallation info in the registry |
| 02:47.40 | Seerah | ohh... maybe that from the right-click will work.... :) |
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| 02:47.56 | Corrodias | good idea |
| 02:49.13 | Seerah | huggles kd3 |
| 02:49.27 | Seerah | and Corrodias for good measure :) |
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| 02:51.39 | Seerah | hello, Esamynn|Away |
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| 03:44.30 | Kraps | mass effect is win :) |
| 03:46.48 | Dagmar | For ten bucks I'll probably order it tonight but I've no idea when I'll get around to playing it |
| 03:48.28 | Kraps | do the dialog choices actually affect the game or is it just the same thing with different words? |
| 03:48.48 | Dagmar | Which game? |
| 03:48.55 | Dagmar | Mass Effect? |
| 03:49.00 | Kraps | yeah |
| 03:49.06 | Dagmar | *Some* matter |
| 03:49.23 | Dagmar | Some drop hints that lead to side quests, but a lot of it doesn't matter a damn bit |
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| 04:24.15 | Arrowmaster | they do matter, but its more of if you say nice things or bad things |
| 04:24.19 | NightHawkTheSane | what's the FoM leveling spec for locks these days? |
| 04:24.52 | Arrowmaster | oh and theres a side quest that if you pick the wrong dialog choices you die |
| 04:25.24 | Dagmar | Mouthing off to really powerful and heavily armed people can have that effect |
| 04:25.28 | Dagmar | Still, it's crude |
| 04:25.54 | Arrowmaster | if you say the wrong things youll miss some party members |
| 04:26.57 | Arrowmaster | like getting wrex and garius can happen in many different ways, youll always get a chance to get the other in your party once you have one of them but if you say the wrong stuff you wont get them and they will be gone forever i think |
| 04:27.19 | Arrowmaster | wrex + garius in party at the same time = massive win just because of their comments |
| 04:27.20 | WobWork | huh I just got my google wave invite |
| 04:31.08 | Fisker | i'm pretty much awesome WobWork |
| 04:33.32 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: i hate you. :D |
| 04:34.30 | WobWork | NightHawkTheSane: I think they're sending the next ... er.. tide out |
| 04:34.38 | WobWork | cause my workmate just got one too |
| 04:34.50 | Fisker | :( |
| 04:34.54 | Fisker | but i'm awesome WobWork |
| 04:35.05 | WobWork | maybe not awesome enough for Google =( |
| 04:38.13 | Twisol | ooer, I found my way to the Dun Morogh airstrip |
| 04:38.13 | Twisol | ^_^ |
| 04:39.21 | Fisker | Twisol name & realm? |
| 04:39.42 | Seerah | be prepared to get ported out with a scolding ;) |
| 04:39.45 | Twisol | :P |
| 04:40.33 | Twisol | I'm not even touching anything, just sightseeing. In fact... I didn't even know I was going to the airstrip. I was just following the mountains. |
| 04:41.21 | Dagmar | Seerah: HIGHLY doubtful |
| 04:41.31 | Dagmar | I've been up there literally dozens of times now |
| 04:41.50 | Seerah | shrugs :) |
| 04:41.51 | Fisker | name & realm Dagmar ? |
| 04:42.00 | Dagmar | I think the only thing that happens when they see me up there is that they look for how I got up there and schedule it for an invisible block in the next patch |
| 04:42.08 | Dagmar | Fisker: Eshk, Skywall |
| 04:42.12 | Fisker | ok |
| 04:42.14 | Fisker | Reported |
| 04:42.19 | Dagmar | Not a *damn thing* has ever happened from me being up there. |
| 04:42.25 | Dagmar | Yeah, good luck with that whiny-kid |
| 04:42.25 | Twisol | figured that was what you were doing, Fisker. |
| 04:42.37 | Fisker | durr Dagmar |
| 04:42.38 | Dagmar | Not a damn thing ever *will* happen. |
| 04:42.51 | Fisker | go up there now, stay for a few hours |
| 04:43.07 | Fisker | GM's don't actively monitor the realms |
| 04:43.11 | Dagmar | They know I report exploitable bugs, and don't act like an ass like some folks and just say, kill NPCs up there to bug everyone with localdefense spam |
| 04:43.28 | Dagmar | I've spent three hours up there before |
| 04:43.31 | Fisker | doesn't matter |
| 04:43.35 | Twisol | it hardly takes an exploit to get up there. Just walking and jumping. |
| 04:43.37 | Dagmar | that's right, it doesn't. |
| 04:43.39 | Fisker | If you're up there, and a GM sees you |
| 04:43.43 | Fisker | you're asked to leave |
| 04:43.46 | Fisker | if you don't you get ported |
| 04:43.50 | Dagmar | They *might* ask me to leave. |
| 04:43.50 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: killing npcs for AV rep up there was epic |
| 04:43.54 | Fisker | no |
| 04:43.56 | Dagmar | Beyond that, nothing will happen to me. |
| 04:43.58 | Fisker | they WILL ask you to leave |
| 04:44.02 | Twisol | Yeah, if you're going to kill NPCs, you deserve what's coming. |
| 04:44.03 | Dagmar | Doubt it. |
| 04:44.05 | Twisol | but otherwise |
| 04:44.10 | Dagmar | I've been up there too many times with too many toons |
| 04:44.17 | Fisker | Yes |
| 04:44.30 | Twisol | I love exploring hidden areas, it adds a lot to the game for me. :) |
| 04:44.32 | Fisker | Did you get reported any of those many times? |
| 04:44.35 | Seerah | Dagmar: seriously, it is against the rules to be up there. If there *is* a way to get up there now, it's a bug. |
| 04:44.35 | Dagmar | Up to and including rediscovering the oddball location that was part of the epic mage quest in closed beta |
| 04:44.40 | Arrowmaster | we went up there and used duals + fear to get into some of the tunnels and drop down ontop of roofs in IF |
| 04:44.43 | Dagmar | Seerah: Which rule |
| 04:45.13 | Seerah | Burden of proof is on you, my friend. :) |
| 04:45.23 | Dagmar | To put it bluntly, there's a difference in the way GMs handle adult, responsible players and the clueless, destructive kids |
| 04:45.26 | Fisker | Being in areas you're not supposed to be in |
| 04:45.34 | Fisker | there's not really |
| 04:45.44 | Arrowmaster | they might port you but they dont take any other action |
| 04:45.50 | Fisker | Other than the fact you may leave, and a "clueless, destructive kid" may not |
| 04:45.57 | Dagmar | Seerah: Your class is illegal. |
| 04:46.03 | Dagmar | Burden of proof is on you. |
| 04:46.09 | Seerah | o.O??? |
| 04:46.29 | Arrowmaster | you wont get a ban for getting someplace ingame you arent supposed to if you are using an unmodified client |
| 04:46.48 | Fisker | you could |
| 04:46.51 | Dagmar | We wouldn't be able to find and report bugs/problems if they banned people for exploring |
| 04:46.58 | Shirik | Seerah <3 |
| 04:47.48 | Fisker | Dagmar you don't have to test the same bug several times on several characters |
| 04:47.56 | Fisker | when you've "found" it the first time, that is enough |
| 04:48.07 | Seerah | after you find it once, the rest is called "exploiting" |
| 04:48.31 | Shirik | Seerah </3 Shirik :( |
| 04:48.40 | Seerah | Shirik: I do I do! |
| 04:48.44 | Seerah | <3333 |
| 04:48.50 | Shirik | too late :( |
| 04:49.02 | Dagmar | Fisker: Actually, I do |
| 04:49.10 | Seerah | no, it's not. you're just being emo :) |
| 04:49.11 | Dagmar | ...because my different toons have different abilities |
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| 04:49.40 | Dagmar | I'm one of the guys who sent in an itemized list of places you shouldn't be able to get to, but could because of the mechgineer's chopper dismount animation |
| 04:49.42 | Seerah | did you report yourself each time you found your way up? |
| 04:49.55 | Dagmar | Seerah: Why would I waste GM time with juvenile bullshit? |
| 04:50.13 | Fisker | lol |
| 04:50.46 | Seerah | I thought you said there was a difference between responsible adults and destructive kids? |
| 04:51.38 | Shirik | Seerah called me emo :( |
| 04:51.41 | Dagmar | Talk like that is how you get a GM to take action against you |
| 04:51.53 | Seerah | Shirik: you said I didn't <3 you :( |
| 04:52.12 | Dagmar | Every time I find a new movement mechanic, guess what, I go back up to the airstrip to test it out |
| 04:52.34 | Seerah | I'm sorry, talk like what? |
| 04:53.11 | Dagmar | I've got a whole slew of screenshots from inside Old Ironforge, too |
| 04:53.40 | Dagmar | Like a smartass who'll make an idiotic argument knowing it'll be a waste of anyone's time to say more than "You're an ass" |
| 04:54.22 | Twisol | Old Ironforge I'd love to see, but if it requires the auto-unstick button then I wouldn't bother. |
| 04:54.33 | Dagmar | Actually not much down there to see. |
| 04:54.37 | Dagmar | Two fake doors and an arch |
| 04:54.38 | WobWork | couldn't you FD as a hunter? |
| 04:54.46 | WobWork | or eyes of the beast it |
| 04:54.47 | Seerah | okay, now I"m unclear if you're referring to talking to a GM or if you're calling me a smartass |
| 04:54.49 | Twisol | Usually isn't, is there? But it's cool just to see those things at all. |
| 04:54.56 | WobWork | I remember doing that for the Dalaran dome |
| 04:54.56 | Dagmar | Eyes only works outdoors. |
| 04:55.02 | WobWork | lies |
| 04:55.11 | WobWork | since when? |
| 04:55.15 | Dagmar | You talking about sending a pet down in there? |
| 04:55.18 | WobWork | yeah |
| 04:55.23 | Dagmar | The farsight ability ONLY works outdoors |
| 04:55.30 | Dagmar | I thought you were talking about that |
| 04:55.31 | WobWork | yeah, eyes of the beast |
| 04:55.33 | WobWork | not farsight |
| 04:55.53 | Dagmar | Nah, the way the motorcycles dismounted you, in adddition to getting you seriously wedge at times, could and would chuck you right through walls |
| 04:56.01 | Dagmar | So I got *me* in there |
| 04:56.19 | Twisol | Interesting. And buggy. XD |
| 05:00.45 | WobWork | rofl |
| 05:00.47 | WobWork | " Hi Everyone, I’ve been talking to Google about helping us with a pilot project using Google Wave, and as a result everyone at Bullseye should be receiving a Google Wave invitation by email if you haven’t got an account set up already. Stay tuned. " |
| 05:00.53 | WobWork | from our MD |
| 05:09.42 | Shirik | Bullseye? |
| 05:09.45 | Shirik | as in Bullseye coverage? |
| 05:09.59 | WobWork | no |
| 05:10.02 | WobWork | Bullseye Digital |
| 05:10.08 | WobWork | http://www.bullseye.com.au |
| 05:10.10 | WobWork | where I work =) |
| 05:11.09 | cbreak | there's still an IT culture in australia? |
| 05:11.11 | cbreak | surprising |
| 05:11.22 | cbreak | I thought the latest net laws have driven out the last of them |
| 05:11.46 | Shirik | Atlassian is in Australia |
| 05:15.19 | WobWork | I almost applied for a job there |
| 05:15.40 | Jerub | meh atlassian. java house. |
| 05:15.58 | WobWork | yeah |
| 05:16.05 | WobWork | that was the only thing that pretty much stopped me =) |
| 05:16.17 | WobWork | I unfortunately don't have the experience |
| 05:17.02 | Shirik | Jerub, true, but they still make great stuff |
| 05:17.07 | Shirik | it is admittedly killing my server |
| 05:17.13 | Shirik | but it's worth it |
| 05:17.27 | Shirik | I just wish Clover would do more than Java |
| 05:18.43 | Jerub | so's wotif. big java house |
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| 06:10.04 | Shirik | recount: healing received |
| 06:10.07 | Shirik | is it effective or raw? |
| 06:10.29 | NightHawkTheSane | effective, i think |
| 06:10.54 | NightHawkTheSane | could always compare the healing done for a->b to the healing recieved for b<-a |
| 06:10.55 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, it shifts to overheal if it isnt |
| 06:11.10 | Shirik | I'm not trying to find a solution for what I want |
| 06:11.13 | Shirik | I just want to know what I'm looking at |
| 06:11.33 | NightHawkTheSane | i meant to determine if it was effective or raw |
| 06:11.47 | NightHawkTheSane | if its the former, those two shoudl be the same |
| 06:26.59 | Thunder_Child | i think it subtracts total from OH |
| 06:28.20 | Jerub | shouldn't you compare healing done to damage taken? |
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| 06:29.42 | DWSR | Does anyone else get today's xkcd? |
| 06:29.45 | DWSR | Because I don't fucking get it. |
| 06:29.51 | DWSR | and it's bothering me |
| 06:31.04 | Amarande | I think it has something to do with reusing the pieces |
| 06:31.11 | Arrowmaster | seriously can the writers for FlashForward possible throw any more plot twists into it |
| 06:32.29 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 06:32.31 | Fisker | i feel baw |
| 06:33.18 | DWSR | Amarande: I think I get it, but like...it's not funny. |
| 06:34.00 | DWSR | And, I mean, usually xkcd makes me chuckle a bit. |
| 06:34.17 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont know if its strictly meant to be funny |
| 06:34.51 | Fisker | BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW |
| 06:34.53 | DWSR | it's a comic |
| 06:34.56 | Fisker | "We don’t believe games should force the user to install a Trojan Horse," said the company -- referring to Steam, in a statement explaining its decision. |
| 06:34.58 | Fisker | lol |
| 06:35.05 | DWSR | If it's not funny, it's not doing its job. |
| 06:35.14 | NightHawkTheSane | not all comics are funny |
| 06:35.27 | DWSR | I suppose that depends on how you define comics. |
| 06:35.37 | NightHawkTheSane | arguably true |
| 06:35.38 | DWSR | I think the modern definition is humour-centric. |
| 06:35.54 | NightHawkTheSane | the "web comic" genre has gone far beyond the "comedy" entymology of comic, though |
| 06:35.54 | Arrowmaster | xkcd has never been about pure humor |
| 06:35.56 | DWSR | The more...traditional? definition is anything that's drawn rather than live action. |
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| 06:36.15 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: That doesn't mean it's never funny, and almost always, it is. |
| 06:36.20 | Amarande | Fisker, sounds like someone needs a whaaambulance |
| 06:36.39 | DWSR | Sometimes it requires a specific knowledge in order to make it funny, but it's still funny. |
| 06:36.48 | DWSR | If I'm understanding this one correctly, it's kinda...empty. |
| 06:36.56 | Arrowmaster | right, but most of the time xkcd gets you to try and think rather than laugh, although a lot of the time laughing is a side effect |
| 06:37.22 | Arrowmaster | i understand it |
| 06:37.28 | DWSR | care to explain? |
| 06:37.42 | Arrowmaster | read the alt text |
| 06:38.04 | DWSR | doesn't do anything to explain it. |
| 06:38.20 | DWSR | anything for me at least. |
| 06:38.23 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: i wouldn't call it empty, it at the very least, makes an observatin about the soul. |
| 06:38.36 | DWSR | *shrug* |
| 06:39.29 | Fisker | yeah Amarande |
| 06:39.33 | Fisker | Jealousy is a bad thing |
| 06:39.51 | DWSR | I guess, I dunno |
| 06:39.55 | DWSR | Just shocked me at how not funny it was |
| 06:40.31 | Amarande | steam is an awesome technological innovation that, in particular, has the potential to totally revolutionize gaming. |
| 06:40.53 | Amarande | in particular, since it's cheaper to digitally distribute, maybe more games will be made than just lowest common denominator appealing stuff |
| 06:41.05 | Amarande | and since you don't need retail shelf space for steam, maybe games will have a lifespan longer than a mayfly :P |
| 06:42.19 | Arrowmaster | i dont want to try and explain it because its just my interpretation of it and when you get into stuff like death, organ donation, soul, afterlife, etc theres so many different opinions that somebody is going to think im wrong and another person is going to think what i say is sacrilege put there fingers in their ears and start yelling that im possessed by evil |
| 06:43.06 | WobWork | brandishes a bible at Arrowmaster |
| 06:43.12 | WobWork | THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU! |
| 06:43.24 | Arrowmaster | gets out his zippo |
| 06:43.41 | Fisker | what i really find funny is what they expect happens Amarande |
| 06:43.57 | Fisker | If a customer comes up with the concern "Hey i want to buy MW2, can i buy it from you?" |
| 06:44.09 | Fisker | "no you can't because it uses Steam, wah wah" |
| 06:44.27 | DWSR | lol |
| 06:44.33 | Fisker | do they think that user will then go "Oh right, i won't buy MW2 then, thanks again", or will it achieve the exact effect they're afraid of, i.e. going to the competitor? |
| 06:44.33 | DWSR | You can buy Valve games and have them work with steam |
| 06:44.51 | Amarande | will there *ever* be a return to the days when artistic works actually generally had shelf life? :| |
| 06:44.54 | DWSR | What I want to know is why they can't make that happen with other games? |
| 06:45.08 | Amarande | or have books and games become the nightblooms of the art world to stay? |
| 06:45.10 | Fisker | publisher DWSR |
| 06:45.29 | Fisker | It's even retarded |
| 06:45.41 | Arrowmaster | isnt borderlands the same way? steam activation of the store purchased game? |
| 06:45.48 | Amarande | large publishing companies = bad, normally :P |
| 06:45.51 | Fisker | It's been said on many occasions that the feature to add games over steam using your retail key is FREE for the publisher/developer |
| 06:45.53 | Amarande | except for specific titles. like wow. heh |
| 06:45.58 | Fisker | All they have to do is to supply them a list of cd-keys |
| 06:46.02 | Amarande | and isn't blizzard mostly big because they have wow, not the other way round? :) |
| 06:46.17 | Fisker | So why not just give them that damn list? :o |
| 06:46.33 | Arrowmaster | blizz is big because they have their 3 main titles |
| 06:46.43 | DWSR | warcraft starcraft. |
| 06:46.46 | DWSR | And what's the third? |
| 06:46.48 | Arrowmaster | diablo |
| 06:46.49 | DWSR | ;) |
| 06:47.13 | DWSR | They ever going to come out with another RTS Warcraft? |
| 06:47.23 | Arrowmaster | doubtful |
| 06:47.29 | DWSR | would be cool |
| 06:47.33 | Arrowmaster | dont think its on the agenda anytime soon |
| 06:47.35 | Amarande | you mean raid bosses aren't real-time and strategic enough for you DWSR? :) |
| 06:47.39 | DWSR | no |
| 06:47.42 | DWSR | ROLL MA FACE |
| 06:47.44 | DWSR | GET FREE EPIX |
| 06:47.45 | DWSR | WIN |
| 06:48.02 | Amarande | how about "raid bosses using the gear they were actually intended and designed to be fought with" |
| 06:48.09 | mini | Does anyone know if locales that use feminine class names use feminine class names on the friends list? |
| 06:48.10 | Amarande | no getting your HTOC gear and going back to naxx. :D |
| 06:48.28 | DWSR | The individual raider doesn't do anything straegic or have any challenge. |
| 06:48.40 | DWSR | Raiding is only difficult because of the 9 or 24 other retards that you're raiding with |
| 06:48.40 | Amarande | DWSR: but the group as a whole? |
| 06:48.48 | Arrowmaster | since they have 4 games in the works, one of which is going to be split into 3 games itself, i dont think they have the people to split up and do a 5th game anytime soon |
| 06:48.54 | DWSR | In an RTS, it's all about ME. |
| 06:49.05 | Amarande | DWSR: raiding is probably difficult in your case because you and your raidmates refer to each other as "those other retards" :) |
| 06:49.13 | Amarande | lack of group cohesion is a very easy way to add hard mode to raids :) |
| 06:49.19 | DWSR | Amarande: I like my raid group, and they're good. |
| 06:49.31 | DWSR | We're currently pushing our gear pretty hard for ToGC25. |
| 06:49.38 | DWSR | I'm just talking about in general. |
| 06:49.40 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: OMG YOU JUST CAME UP WITH HARD MODE FOR CAT! |
| 06:49.54 | DWSR | Put you with downies? |
| 06:49.55 | Arrowmaster | random cross server 25 man raids |
| 06:49.58 | DWSR | No god. |
| 06:49.59 | DWSR | PLEASE. |
| 06:50.06 | Amarande | For instance, the Yankee model would probably never work for raids. :) |
| 06:50.07 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: that's what hard mode heroics are going to be in 3.3 |
| 06:50.10 | Arrowmaster | no grouping at all |
| 06:50.24 | Arrowmaster | you must queue alone |
| 06:50.39 | Amarande | I wonder what's going to happen to servers with low progression in 3.3 come to think of it |
| 06:50.50 | Amarande | not that it affects me that much since my gear is more than decent for heroics and Turalyon has good progression |
| 06:50.57 | Amarande | but I have to wonder what's going to happen to the scrubby servers |
| 06:51.03 | DWSR | Is ToC getting removed? |
| 06:51.06 | DWSR | I heard somethign about that. |
| 06:51.12 | Amarande | whether they're going to have a hard time getting triumph badges |
| 06:51.27 | DWSR | Amarande: all of the current content will give triumph in 3.3 |
| 06:51.31 | Amarande | because when they go into the random system, they'll probably always get vote kicked by people from the good servers. :| |
| 06:51.31 | DWSR | Just like they did with conquest. |
| 06:51.42 | Amarande | thinks vote kick was a dumb idea anyway, though |
| 06:51.51 | Amarande | it allows people to override the wishes of the group leader |
| 06:51.53 | Amarande | that's bad. :) |
| 06:51.59 | DWSR | No it isn't. |
| 06:52.04 | Amarande | speaking of which, can you vote kick the group leader? :| |
| 06:52.06 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 06:52.20 | DWSR | That's why it's there |
| 06:52.25 | DWSR | So that the group leader can't be an asstard. |
| 06:52.26 | Arrowmaster | group leader puts it on masterloot before final boss, group leader has left the party |
| 06:52.36 | DWSR | right |
| 06:52.42 | Amarande | DWSR: how long do you think before asstards abuse it to kick people out of groups without good reason? |
| 06:52.54 | DWSR | Then you need 3 asstards. |
| 06:52.54 | Arrowmaster | about 2 seconds |
| 06:52.55 | nevcairiel | you cant change loot mode if you have cross-server people, fwiw |
| 06:53.02 | DWSR | And asstards are usually only asstards solo. |
| 06:53.03 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: good |
| 06:53.56 | Amarande | I wonder how long before we start seeing heroic groups that votekick people if they don't have full 232 or 245 though :| |
| 06:54.01 | Fisker | lol |
| 06:54.02 | DWSR | Good. |
| 06:54.06 | DWSR | Fucking scrubs in 213. |
| 06:54.16 | DWSR | Triumph's going to be falling from the sky. |
| 06:54.27 | Amarande | DWSR: yeah, but you actually have to DO heroics to get triumphs. :) |
| 06:54.32 | Fisker | http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/51233/Stardocks-Impulse-Service-Also-Refuses-To-Sell-Modern-Warfare-2 <-l2notbaw |
| 06:54.32 | DWSR | That means you should be rocking 5p T9 even if you've never step foot in naxx |
| 06:54.39 | Fisker | Interestingly, this leads back to Randy Pitchford's statement about conflict of interest at Valve. On the one hand, Valve should really create a way for games to use all of Steamworks' features, DRM included, without forcing the use of Steam during installation. But on the other, this limitation funnels all digital distribution business through their service, creating a very lucrative monopoly. |
| 06:54.52 | Amarande | relatively fresh 80s are going to be *screwed* since you can't get above 200 without heroics |
| 06:55.03 | Amarande | except for two or three ridiculously expensive pieces of gear from the AH |
| 06:55.06 | DWSR | Amarande: Guild groups. |
| 06:55.08 | Fisker | How is it that Steamworks requires Steam(DUH) has anything to do with Valve having a "conflict of interest"? |
| 06:55.08 | DWSR | kthxbai |
| 06:55.09 | Amarande | and PvP gear that's mainly not suitable |
| 06:55.27 | Fisker | He's trying to say that if Steam wasn't made by Valve then Steamworks wouldn't require Steam? |
| 06:55.33 | Fisker | i lol'd |
| 06:55.51 | Amarande | oh god is Calgary in the penalty box AGAIN |
| 06:56.00 | DWSR | Calgary is fail. |
| 06:56.03 | Amarande | (also: when did this game ACTUALLY get played ... lol) |
| 06:56.26 | Amarande | it's almost 2am, 1am in St. Louis where it was played, I hardly think this is live ... heh |
| 06:57.00 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: he probably thinks pc games should use games for windows instead of steam |
| 06:57.09 | Amarande | ewwww games for windows |
| 06:57.19 | Arrowmaster | although fallout3 uses both |
| 06:57.20 | Amarande | it's fail enough that Microsoft apparently thinks games are no longer 'applications' |
| 06:57.47 | Amarande | and now you have to go into a separate UI to find half of them |
| 06:58.29 | Amarande | what, exactly, was the purpose of that? heh |
| 06:59.43 | DWSR | Amarande: I like it, actually. |
| 07:00.07 | DWSR | It would be nice if more games supported it, but it's really quite a good idea. |
| 07:01.09 | Arrowmaster | i just organized games into their own shortcut menus when i used windows |
| 07:01.29 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 07:01.31 | Amarande | DWSR: I found it significantly disconcerting |
| 07:01.42 | Amarande | "where the hell is the shortcut? don't tell me this game's installer has issues with vista?" |
| 07:01.52 | DWSR | Having Windows automatically pull your games into a seperate shortcut folder and actually provide you with a shortcut is pretty nice |
| 07:02.06 | Amarande | especially since, in at least a couple of cases, games that did that to me actually DID have installer issues on Vista for some folks. :P |
| 07:02.09 | Arrowmaster | although i was using a replacement windows shell so i actually had custom menus for everything |
| 07:02.33 | Amarande | wow, finally Calgary gets a power play |
| 07:03.58 | Amarande | in this game that ... I don't even know was played tonight |
| 07:03.59 | Amarande | heh |
| 07:04.22 | Amarande | I think Calgary played Wednesday, so this might even be a day-old game now |
| 07:05.03 | DWSR | np: Bodyrox And Luciana - What Planet You On (Deadmau5 Remix) [07:17m/211kbps/44kHz] |
| 07:05.05 | DWSR | Wee. |
| 07:06.14 | Amarande | DWSR: the gotcha is that the shortcut folder isn't located where you'd expect it, but in a different option in the Start menu entirely |
| 07:06.28 | DWSR | Amarande: It made sense to me.. |
| 07:06.34 | DWSR | GAMES <-- RIGHT FUCKIN THERE |
| 07:06.36 | Amarande | also, it tends to launch games directly even when the previous behavior was to have a launcher provided by the game |
| 07:06.43 | Amarande | e.g., NWN2 |
| 07:06.45 | *** part/#wowuidev Industrial (n=industri@205.189.72.45) |
| 07:06.56 | Amarande | you have to actually go into the NWN2 program folder to update it, since the games shortcut appears to launch the game directly instead |
| 07:06.57 | DWSR | meh, I don't mind that |
| 07:09.31 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Speaking of evil, years ago a guy I knew on a BBS told me some Jehova's Witnesses were coming up the street, and he just knew they were coming to his house. |
| 07:09.52 | Torhal | So the guy puts on a white glove, covers it with hairspray...and when they knocked, he lit the glove and answered the door. |
| 07:09.54 | DWSR | lol |
| 07:11.09 | Twisol | much belated lol. |
| 07:11.17 | Twisol | even more belated than I thought... |
| 07:11.20 | Thunder_Child | was there a post to the effect that frostmourne will not be an ingame weapon? |
| 07:11.30 | DWSR | yes |
| 07:11.32 | Amarande | T_C: I thought that was decided a while ago. |
| 07:11.33 | DWSR | and no it won't be. |
| 07:11.33 | Amarande | besides |
| 07:11.47 | Thunder_Child | can i get a link? |
| 07:11.50 | Amarande | it's already been announced that there will be a legendary AXE in Icecrown |
| 07:11.57 | DWSR | fuck axces. |
| 07:11.58 | DWSR | axes* |
| 07:12.03 | DWSR | I want an epic dps caster sword |
| 07:12.07 | Amarande | when have we ever had a single raid instance provide more than one legendary, unless it's a set like Illidan's? |
| 07:12.09 | Fisker | that would hurt DWSR |
| 07:14.45 | DWSR | anyone know a program that will allow me to make mouse gestures with my fingers? |
| 07:15.00 | DWSR | Actually, just a program to do mouse gestures. |
| 07:15.30 | Amarande | DWSR: aren't those application specific? :) |
| 07:15.42 | DWSR | Amarande: I'm thinking of a program that does it globally. |
| 07:15.52 | DWSR | So that I can do things like mouse gesture for media keys, etc. |
| 07:16.01 | DWSR | Multitouch aware would be sick, too. |
| 07:16.04 | Amarande | well yeah that's what I gathered ... but applications that recognize gestures are few and their gestures are app specific far as I know. :) |
| 07:16.13 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, do you know where a link to that is? |
| 07:16.20 | DWSR | T_C: No. |
| 07:16.33 | Thunder_Child | Amarande? |
| 07:17.01 | DWSR | Amarande: Windows itself does gestures for C&P |
| 07:17.04 | Amarande | T_C: I've not seen the specific post, only heard it's confirmed to be the case |
| 07:17.37 | Amarande | (and even if you didn't see the post and hadn't heard it wasn't the case, I would say that the announcement of a different legendary for IC kinda implies it) |
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| 07:18.59 | Twisol | I love how the Ironforge flight master tells me "Keep your feet on the ground!" as I buy a flight from him. |
| 07:19.20 | Amarande | Twisol: they're crazy Alliance folks, what do you expect :D |
| 07:19.22 | DWSR | yeah |
| 07:19.25 | Twisol | Haha. |
| 07:19.56 | DWSR | the tooltip for Demonic Empowerment is WAY TOO LONG |
| 07:20.15 | Twisol | Screenshot? |
| 07:20.50 | DWSR | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=47193 |
| 07:20.52 | Amarande | DWSR: shouldn't matter, in today's competitive raid dps environment, locks pretty much all go destro anyway :) |
| 07:20.58 | DWSR | wrong. |
| 07:21.02 | DWSR | I'm demo for rdps. |
| 07:21.12 | Twisol | That IS long. |
| 07:21.13 | DWSR | 400 SP + 5% crit |
| 07:21.55 | Amarande | DWSR: how do you maintain acceptable raid DPS compared to a 0/13/58 build? |
| 07:22.02 | DWSR | by being pro. |
| 07:22.11 | Amarande | "by having uber gear" I'm supposing that means |
| 07:22.14 | Amarande | let's face it |
| 07:22.16 | Amarande | we are warlocks |
| 07:22.19 | Amarande | we are facerollers by nature |
| 07:22.20 | Amarande | :S |
| 07:22.22 | DWSR | lol |
| 07:22.32 | DWSR | the rDPS spec doesn't do the same damage as the deep destro build. |
| 07:22.37 | DWSR | It's like 700DPS short. |
| 07:22.49 | DWSR | But in a 25m, 400SP PER CASTER is a hell of a lot of rDPS. |
| 07:22.54 | DWSR | On the order of like 4 or 5k |
| 07:23.00 | tem | DWSR, get a shaman imo |
| 07:23.06 | Amarande | DWSR: the problem is this is only appreciated in guild runs |
| 07:23.22 | DWSR | Amarande: You run with people outside of guild? |
| 07:23.27 | DWSR | lolurbad, etc. |
| 07:23.32 | Amarande | in PUGs, the difference in personal DPS output can make the difference between sitting pretty and being asked to leave the raid group |
| 07:23.41 | Amarande | DWSR: exclusively pretty much, our guild doesn't have enough geared 80s to raid |
| 07:23.43 | Amarande | by which I mean |
| 07:23.45 | DWSR | tem: Why? the 280SP isn't as good. |
| 07:23.52 | Amarande | there are like ... *two* of us with gear that could go on a raid without pain |
| 07:24.02 | DWSR | Amarande: I never get asked to sit in pugs, even as demo. |
| 07:24.09 | DWSR | It's because I'm well geared and the rDPS spec does decent damage. |
| 07:24.17 | DWSR | Most people are retards. |
| 07:24.20 | Amarande | actually, I've only ever been kicked out of that one raid |
| 07:24.29 | Amarande | which, from what I'm told was a raid destined to fail anyway |
| 07:24.40 | DWSR | I min/max well, therefore, even in a lower DPS spec, I still do well. |
| 07:24.50 | Amarande | if you're doing ony25, your *lowest* DPS is putting out 3.5k and you still fail, your raid is probably just fail |
| 07:25.01 | DWSR | wtf. |
| 07:25.05 | Amarande | maybe it's a good thing I got out of that raid. :) |
| 07:25.07 | DWSR | did EVERYONE die to deep breath? |
| 07:25.21 | Amarande | I'm not sure what people died to |
| 07:25.25 | Amarande | there were all kinds of suck in that raid |
| 07:25.39 | Amarande | deep breath probably ... I know there were issues with adds not being picked up properly ... which is what happened to me I think ... |
| 07:25.59 | Amarande | someone forgot to pick up an add and it nommed on me :P |
| 07:26.34 | Twisol | nom nom nom |
| 07:26.59 | Amarande | Twisol: the sound of fail Auriaya pulls everywhere :D |
| 07:27.03 | tem | DWSR, ele shaman isn't equivilent? |
| 07:27.07 | DWSR | tem: No. |
| 07:27.07 | Twisol | hehehe |
| 07:27.11 | DWSR | Ele sham is static 280 |
| 07:27.17 | DWSR | Demo lock is 10% of the lock's SP. |
| 07:27.25 | DWSR | Raid buffed I'm at ~380. |
| 07:27.28 | DWSR | ~3800* |
| 07:27.34 | DWSR | With procs I can go up over 4k. |
| 07:27.45 | Arrowmaster | wait the top lock spec went from affliction to destro AGAIN? |
| 07:27.45 | Amarande | gah |
| 07:27.49 | Amarande | you make my 1999 sound weak |
| 07:27.52 | Amarande | Arrow: it always does |
| 07:27.53 | DWSR | It IS weak. |
| 07:28.20 | NightHawkTheSane | 1999? |
| 07:28.23 | tem | Amarande, my undergeared mage has more sp than that |
| 07:28.26 | DWSR | yes. |
| 07:28.31 | Amarande | Night: Alvaerin's unbuffed spellpower |
| 07:28.32 | NightHawkTheSane | i think my mage does too |
| 07:28.38 | NightHawkTheSane | my ele offspec has 2k unbuffed |
| 07:28.51 | DWSR | Amarande: 2k spellpower's weak. |
| 07:28.56 | DWSR | My deadly has that much |
| 07:29.02 | Amarande | although I still have a motley mix of stuff from 187 to 245, and haven't played much the last few weeks other than HH and day of the dead |
| 07:30.02 | Amarande | yay Calgary power play |
| 07:31.39 | NightHawkTheSane | i need more haste in my ele set though. >< 480 is weak :\ |
| 07:31.44 | DWSR | lol |
| 07:31.46 | DWSR | More than I have. |
| 07:31.50 | DWSR | My lock has 802 crit. |
| 07:32.08 | NightHawkTheSane | i have 724 |
| 07:32.10 | DWSR | oh what, wtf? |
| 07:32.19 | DWSR | Somehow my crit went down to 699 |
| 07:32.22 | DWSR | And my haste went up to 539 |
| 07:32.35 | DWSR | lol whenever that happened, it was awesome |
| 07:32.51 | Amarande | I can never seem to accumulate a good amount of haste |
| 07:33.09 | Amarande | In fact, it often seems like my haste goes down with gear upgrades :| |
| 07:33.14 | DWSR | lolurbad. |
| 07:33.19 | DWSR | No, seriously though, it does. |
| 07:33.30 | DWSR | 219-232 is all crit cloth |
| 07:34.14 | Amarande | ah, crap, another penalty for Calgary. :| |
| 07:34.26 | DWSR | Amarande: I had ~600 haste with T7.5 |
| 07:34.33 | DWSR | Went down to like ~350 around T8 |
| 07:34.38 | DWSR | Now at T9 I'm at 563. |
| 07:34.48 | DWSR | 600 haste is so godmode. |
| 07:35.06 | DWSR | Anyone know why haste is given as a number and crit as a % in the stats window? |
| 07:35.15 | Thunder_Child | ah, it was said at one of the blizzcon pannels |
| 07:35.29 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: yeah, my resto set has 680, i want to get that higher too ;) |
| 07:35.46 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, because crit can vary by type |
| 07:35.56 | Amarande | Night, you should be a disc priest with instant cast *bubbbbles* :) |
| 07:36.01 | Amarande | yay bubbles |
| 07:36.11 | DWSR | When? |
| 07:36.19 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, me? |
| 07:36.23 | DWSR | no |
| 07:36.24 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: holy pally, as the notable example |
| 07:36.30 | DWSR | or yes. |
| 07:36.39 | DWSR | Haste should be a percentage as well. |
| 07:36.41 | Thunder_Child | fire mage has +fire |
| 07:36.55 | Thunder_Child | priest has +holy |
| 07:36.59 | DWSR | It should be uniform, just make haste a %. |
| 07:37.13 | NightHawkTheSane | i agree, but *shrug* |
| 07:37.20 | DWSR | Or make the tooltip based on your class's schools, not the schools of magic. |
| 07:37.26 | Thunder_Child | they would make crit a number if they could i think |
| 07:37.28 | DWSR | because I have a shitload of +crit for destro. |
| 07:37.39 | Thunder_Child | or it's legacy |
| 07:37.46 | Amarande | SHIT. |
| 07:37.50 | Amarande | St. Louis scores. :| |
| 07:38.12 | Amarande | And of course this game is being shown on the effing Fox Sports Midwest channel |
| 07:38.18 | Amarande | so that means they're all CHEERING FOR ST LOUIS |
| 07:38.19 | Amarande | dammit |
| 07:38.45 | Arrowmaster | yeah crit is fucked up, especially when you get into warlocks and mages where you have fire crit and destro crit |
| 07:39.35 | Amarande | also: apparently my guild's best tank needs to get better |
| 07:39.39 | Amarande | because I was tanking HH at least a time or two |
| 07:39.41 | Amarande | :S |
| 07:39.47 | DWSR | I thought you said your guild didn't have geared raiders? |
| 07:39.54 | Amarande | DWSR: we don't. |
| 07:40.02 | Amarande | except for one healer and myself. |
| 07:40.13 | Amarande | (and she's a disc healer ... that means bubbles ... yay bubbles ...) |
| 07:40.53 | Shirik | (02:40:25) (Adys) no O |
| 07:40.53 | Shirik | (02:40:26) (Adys) Oo |
| 07:40.55 | Shirik | HE IS A LIAR |
| 07:40.58 | Shirik | There are obviously 2 Os |
| 07:41.13 | Twisol | if I edit the extracted FrameXML code, it WON'T actually be applied to my UI, correct? |
| 07:41.19 | DWSR | no |
| 07:41.25 | Twisol | incorrect? |
| 07:41.32 | Amarande | however we do, or thought we did, have a tank good enough to do HH |
| 07:41.36 | Adys | i dont get it |
| 07:41.39 | Amarande | let's just say I was extremely irritated to have to constantly hold back |
| 07:41.49 | DWSR | Amarande: LOLURBAD |
| 07:41.49 | Amarande | because the first time against HH I didn't hold back, and ended up *being* the tank. thank god HH is a wimp. |
| 07:42.16 | DWSR | Throw on some resil gear and be a big boy and tank. |
| 07:42.17 | Amarande | DWSR: when you break 4000 on a good day and the tank isn't even naxx geared yet? |
| 07:42.28 | Arrowmaster | go tank 40 man raid trash with only 6k hp and come back to me |
| 07:42.40 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Tank ToGC25 beasts. |
| 07:42.41 | DWSR | kthxbai. |
| 07:43.05 | DWSR | Makes me laugh when I come 3rd on Damage charts. |
| 07:43.08 | Arrowmaster | i tanked ony in cloth at 60 once |
| 07:43.14 | DWSR | And I tell the raid "You're all bad. You didn't beat the tank" |
| 07:43.23 | DWSR | And then everyone QQs about how I'm not a real tank. |
| 07:43.26 | DWSR | So I let them die the next run. |
| 07:43.33 | Twisol | Lol. |
| 07:43.39 | DWSR | "Sorry, had a lag spike" |
| 07:44.04 | Arrowmaster | i quit a year ago, no clue what the beasts fight is like |
| 07:44.07 | Dagmar | Okay, NOW I agree with you |
| 07:44.21 | Dagmar | If the tank stops DPS for some reason and they don't figure it out, they fail |
| 07:44.35 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: It's lock tank. |
| 07:44.36 | DWSR | tanking* |
| 07:44.42 | DWSR | A big stationary boss doing magic damage. |
| 07:44.50 | DWSR | In phase 2 there is one. |
| 07:44.55 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:44.56 | DWSR | It does nature damage, but meh. |
| 07:45.08 | DWSR | I just get a shaman to drop NR totem and I go to school with my destro spec. |
| 07:45.25 | Arrowmaster | hmm nature, i think thats the only one i never had a resist set for |
| 07:45.27 | DWSR | And just to show how broken lock threat is, I tank over all the DPS in the raid as well. |
| 07:45.33 | Arrowmaster | oh wait, never had arcane either |
| 07:45.45 | DWSR | And I don't have the highest DPS. |
| 07:46.12 | Arrowmaster | lock threat has always been that way |
| 07:46.13 | DWSR | I just sit there doing my faceroll and all the DPS go "Dude, searing pain spam tanking is so OP" |
| 07:46.23 | DWSR | I'm just like "This is normal threat levels for me...it's broken" |
| 07:47.30 | Arrowmaster | you know its bad when your raid forces you, a clothie, to tank a melee boss |
| 07:47.40 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: I tank the stationary worm. |
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| 07:47.50 | DWSR | He's not a melee boss. He spits at you |
| 07:48.01 | DWSR | If you stand in melee range, he melees you. |
| 07:48.05 | Arrowmaster | no ive been forced to tank a melee boss |
| 07:48.19 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: lol |
| 07:49.54 | Amarande | haha: |
| 07:49.55 | Amarande | http://forthebubbles.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/how-to-properly-place-blame/ |
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| 07:50.42 | Amarande | which is in turn a counterpoint to: http://mortiganthelock.blogspot.com/2009/10/wipes-warlockss-fair-and-unbiased-guide.html |
| 07:51.42 | Dagmar | Freakin' ssdpsrv is sitting here phoning out to random places on the 'net over port 50443 |
| 07:51.46 | Dagmar | That's cool. |
| 07:51.47 | Amarande | hmm |
| 07:51.54 | Amarande | now I just have to find one where the healer gets blamed for everything. :) |
| 07:52.07 | Dagmar | I think I'll slap in an iptables rule tomorrow to fill those packets with random numbers and see what happens. |
| 07:52.07 | Amarande | Dagmar: trojan? |
| 07:52.07 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: too complex, i liked our old method |
| 07:52.15 | Trela | Wargle, I hate bad healers. |
| 07:52.26 | Dagmar | Amarande: On a brand new Windows 7 install with nothing but putty and storebought software? |
| 07:52.34 | Dagmar | Doubtful in the extreme |
| 07:53.39 | Arrowmaster | half the time do a /roll 1-#raidmembers and blame that person, the other half the time it was always one guys fault |
| 07:53.58 | Amarande | oh, and here's one that more realistically sums up the majority of player reactions: http://casualhardcore.wordpress.com/2009/10/30/youre-all-wrong-where-to-really-place-the-blame/ |
| 07:54.02 | Wobble | hm |
| 07:54.06 | Dagmar | Would a blame generator violate Blizz's rules in a manner they'd be unhappy with, do you think? |
| 07:54.18 | Wobble | $15 extra for the digital deluxe version of DA |
| 07:54.42 | AbsolutRayne | ZzZz |
| 07:55.56 | Amarande | heh, "reasons why tank lost aggro": "The tankÂ’s claw-like appendage sometimes called a hand has finally dropped off due to excessive heroic strike spam." |
| 07:56.06 | Dagmar | hahah |
| 07:56.36 | Shirik | I think that would be an awesome addon |
| 07:56.47 | Shirik | I don't think it would be any more spammy than some other things out there already |
| 07:56.52 | Shirik | It can be used for spam, but that's the blame of the user, not the addon |
| 07:57.00 | Amarande | '“Close your eyes and think of England” is not a sufficient strat summary." |
| 07:57.14 | Arrowmaster | "mouse batteries dies" should be a 50% chance for "reason why the healer didnt heal you" |
| 07:57.46 | Arrowmaster | yes it happened, too many times |
| 07:57.51 | Dagmar | No rather, I was just thinking that I'd hook player HP changes and when everyone in the group/raid is dead, it'll randomly pick someone to blame |
| 07:58.02 | Dagmar | ...and then /raidwarning lart them |
| 07:58.18 | AbsolutRayne | God, farming BC Ore is so boring |
| 07:58.24 | AbsolutRayne | Even with 280 Flight |
| 07:58.34 | Dagmar | Of course such a plugin will cunningly compute a hash of the player's name and server and check to make sure it never blames me. |
| 07:58.44 | Arrowmaster | right but use that group talents lib and try to figure out their role and assign funny reason |
| 07:58.49 | Wobble | heh "Dead Anonymous: My entire blog is 100% serious, straight-forward, and trustworthy. After all, if you can't trust an Undead Warlock, who CAN you trust?" |
| 07:59.02 | Wobble | AbsolutRayne, I found it quite refreshing |
| 07:59.06 | Wobble | after goddamn thorium |
| 07:59.09 | Amarande | bah, another calgary power play just expired with no scoring |
| 07:59.16 | Amarande | Wobble: thorium was a problem? |
| 07:59.16 | Arrowmaster | the only undead warlock i trust is richard |
| 07:59.23 | AbsolutRayne | Wobble: I just need so much Fel Iron its annoying |
| 07:59.24 | Amarande | thorium you just galloped around burning steppes for a few hours |
| 07:59.33 | Amarande | and tried not to fall into THAT STUPID FUCKING LITTLE RUT. |
| 07:59.37 | Wobble | Amarande, yeah, but flying in BC is easy compared to that |
| 07:59.42 | Dagmar | Oh crap I completely forgot to check on how the bunny thing is turning out |
| 07:59.44 | Amarande | If you've farmed thorium, you know the one. |
| 07:59.49 | Wobble | oh yeah |
| 07:59.50 | Amarande | Goddamned little terrain feature. :P |
| 07:59.57 | DWSR | Amarande: I didn't and I still know the one. |
| 07:59.57 | Arrowmaster | bunny? |
| 08:00.06 | AbsolutRayne | 190 to be exact |
| 08:00.18 | Amarande | DWSR: guess who once fell into that damned rut while farming thorium and had their hearthstone on about 28 minutes left cooldown |
| 08:00.24 | Amarande | and had to have guildies *summon me to Shattrath* to get out |
| 08:00.24 | Amarande | heh |
| 08:00.35 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: You've not been following LFG Comics lately? |
| 08:00.39 | AbsolutRayne | 190 bars* |
| 08:00.41 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 08:00.49 | Dagmar | That bunny he's been toting around is apparently some sort of god. |
| 08:00.57 | Wobin | the bunny is adorable |
| 08:00.58 | Arrowmaster | not for a long time saidly, my google reader got messed up and i lost my place |
| 08:01.03 | Arrowmaster | sadly |
| 08:01.07 | Wobin | but then lars can draw really cute animals |
| 08:01.14 | Amarande | Dagmar: is this supposed to be a ripoff of how in Final Fantasy IX the little moogle Eiko carries around is actually a super powerful summon creature? :) |
| 08:02.05 | Dagmar | Amarande: Very possibly, but currently the issue is that they got the Sisters and the Brothers (all filthy drow apparently) back together, and then they wanted Richard to turn over the bunny. |
| 08:02.07 | Arrowmaster | hugs his richard plushie |
| 08:02.07 | Dagmar | He refused. |
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| 08:02.19 | Amarande | or has that super powerful animal companion thing acquired full-fledged trope status now? |
| 08:02.22 | Dagmar | He loves his bunny |
| 08:02.23 | AbsolutRayne | God, ToGC25 Twin Valks is kicking our asses -_- |
| 08:02.41 | Arrowmaster | need bunny mounts in wow |
| 08:02.48 | Dagmar | Amarande: I think the panther is more the animal companion. The bunny appears to be Richard's buddy |
| 08:03.03 | Wobin | .... |
| 08:03.06 | Amarande | ... and calgary goes to OT |
| 08:03.09 | Wobin | Dragon Age requires 15... gigs? |
| 08:03.13 | AbsolutRayne | Arrowmaster: Giant Wolpertingers, imo |
| 08:03.25 | Arrowmaster | the bunny is little richards mount |
| 08:03.26 | Amarande | Wobin: diskspace? I'm not surprised :S |
| 08:03.56 | Dagmar | Wobin: Give it whatever it wants. IT'S WORTH IT. |
| 08:04.15 | Arrowmaster | best stripe ever when the bunny was introduced |
| 08:04.20 | Wobin | 15000/60/60 |
| 08:04.22 | Twisol | Whew... modding the UI is tough... but oddly entertaining. |
| 08:04.23 | Wobin | ~15000/60/60 |
| 08:04.24 | purl | 4.166666666667 |
| 08:04.31 | Wobin | four hours later... |
| 08:04.36 | Dagmar | Richard has been toting that bunny around everywhere since then |
| 08:04.45 | AbsolutRayne | Twisol: Just dont spend the time I spend on the same thing :P |
| 08:04.54 | AbsolutRayne | Well actually im not so bad |
| 08:04.56 | Twisol | AbsolutRayne: Hmm? |
| 08:04.59 | Dagmar | Cliff notes link to the current bunny dilemna: http://www.lfgcomic.com/page/300 |
| 08:05.02 | AbsolutRayne | Ill build one in 2 days, and nitpick it for a month. |
| 08:05.08 | Twisol | Heheheh. |
| 08:05.11 | Arrowmaster | i think i lost my place somewhere around where he was reunited with the bunny |
| 08:05.14 | Dagmar | I'd like to know what deal Richard has with that bunny |
| 08:05.23 | Amarande | I think I'm about sixty or so pages behind on LFG now. :| |
| 08:05.33 | AbsolutRayne | I caught up on it like 2 weeks ago |
| 08:05.34 | Dagmar | He was about to throw down with a crapload of drow over it |
| 08:05.38 | AbsolutRayne | I need to catch up again |
| 08:05.51 | Twisol | AbsolutRayne: I'm working on a simple quest level addon to attach the quest levels to the quest log and watch frame. It's fun and actually a pretty good way for me to learn the ropes... |
| 08:06.04 | AbsolutRayne | Ah |
| 08:06.07 | Arrowmaster | if theres ever a bunny plushie that my richard plushie can use as a mount, i must get it |
| 08:06.08 | AbsolutRayne | Im a terrible coder lol |
| 08:06.14 | Dagmar | Too right |
| 08:06.19 | Twisol | I just got finished scouring WatchFrame.lua to figure out how to make the frame's width expand to fit with the level added into the line |
| 08:06.20 | Twisol | :> |
| 08:06.35 | Dagmar | Heck I thought about getting the Richard Drive, but it's not quite large enough |
| 08:06.45 | Arrowmaster | drive? |
| 08:06.55 | Dagmar | Yes, they made a Richard USB thumbdrive |
| 08:06.59 | Twisol | ... |
| 08:07.00 | Amarande | wow ... Thanks, Steam! |
| 08:07.10 | Amarande | It's telling me in its system info thingy that i have a 31" monitor. :D |
| 08:07.22 | Amarande | (It's actually a 24".) |
| 08:07.26 | Twisol | Haha. |
| 08:07.57 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I'm not sure if it was a short-run thing or a prototype for an upcoming product, but it was up there about a month ago. Only 4Gb size |
| 08:08.09 | Arrowmaster | dont see it in the shop |
| 08:08.10 | Dagmar | Oh wait, I just missed it. |
| 08:08.15 | Dagmar | https://secure.blindferret.com/lfgstore/product.php?productid=16175&cat=250&page=1 |
| 08:08.22 | Arrowmaster | the plushie was a limited item too right? |
| 08:08.35 | Arrowmaster | i preordered it over a year before i got it |
| 08:08.47 | Twisol | g'night |
| 08:09.18 | Dagmar | Yeah I think they used the same people who made the Skull plushie for PvPOnline |
| 08:09.21 | Amarande | yay calgary wins in OT |
| 08:10.01 | Dagmar | I may yet order another pair of the evil socks. |
| 08:10.21 | Arrowmaster | https://secure.blindferret.com/lfgstore/product.php?productid=16143&cat=250&page=1 |
| 08:10.24 | Arrowmaster | MUST GET! |
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| 08:10.53 | Dagmar | I'm hoping my gf will think of that for Christmas |
| 08:11.16 | Arrowmaster | guess the plushie is a permanent item its still listed |
| 08:11.19 | Dagmar | By the way, just in case you were wondering... |
| 08:11.20 | Arrowmaster | "Nothing says cute and cuddly like a 9 and a half inch homicidal murderous dick." |
| 08:11.41 | Dagmar | Singing that song Richard did, in a Data Center late at night, will actually scare real people. |
| 08:11.57 | Arrowmaster | which song? |
| 08:12.11 | Amarande | Dagmar: wait, there are actually other people in the data center late at night besides the system operator on duty? :) |
| 08:12.20 | Twisol|sleeping | Hahahahaha. |
| 08:12.29 | AbsolutRayne | Raaaaaaaaaaaaage |
| 08:12.29 | Dagmar | Amarande: Um.... I can actually sing. |
| 08:12.30 | Dagmar | Opera. |
| 08:12.32 | AbsolutRayne | gd Fel Iron |
| 08:12.42 | Dagmar | This song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcbazH6aE2g |
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| 08:15.56 | Dagmar | They need to finish the movie. |
| 08:16.16 | Twisol|sleeping | Ahaha... |
| 08:16.47 | Dagmar | Twisol|sleeping: Amazingly, I kept a straight face during the "discussion" with HR later |
| 08:16.55 | Twisol|sleeping | HR? |
| 08:17.08 | Dagmar | Heheh |
| 08:17.59 | Twisol|sleeping | off to bed for real, now. Night. |
| 08:20.02 | Amarande | oh this is Win: http://thereifixedit.com/2009/11/03/gotta-do-something-with-that-old-crt/ |
| 08:20.42 | Dagmar | He fails. |
| 08:21.24 | Dagmar | He should have put the cushion-back on *top* of the monitor case, where the cat _usually_ naps |
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| 08:23.59 | Arrowmaster | its no joke when the cat sleeping ontop of the crt rolls off onto your keyboard |
| 08:24.15 | Wobin | a roflcat? |
| 08:24.31 | Arrowmaster | that happened to somebody i know |
| 08:24.32 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 08:25.23 | Wobin | downloads DA at 1.1MB/s |
| 08:25.46 | Shirik | sounds like something Cairenn's cat would do |
| 08:26.15 | Cairenn | heh |
| 08:30.35 | Kalroth | "oi fat cat, where's my F3 key, give it back" |
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| 08:33.26 | Shirik | aw |
| 08:33.42 | Shirik | don't be mean to Cairenn's cat |
| 08:33.52 | Shirik | it's just big boned |
| 08:34.32 | Wobin | thick furred! |
| 08:38.47 | Thunder_Child | my cousins cat has the nickname fa'ma staanding for fat mass |
| 08:40.22 | Amarande | lol |
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| 08:43.14 | Cairenn | actually, neither of my cats are overweight, the vet is very happy with their weights |
| 08:43.47 | Shirik | I'm just kidding Cairenn :) |
| 08:43.55 | Cairenn | I know :) |
| 08:44.15 | Cairenn | one of them, though, you might wonder - he's a long hair and he really does look big |
| 08:44.17 | Shirik | to me, everything is fat anyway |
| 08:44.17 | Kalroth | cats are always fat even when they aren't |
| 08:44.20 | Kalroth | big furballs |
| 08:44.29 | Amarande | <Vet> You're overweight, kitty, that's not good for your health <Cat> * brandishes claw menacingly * WUT U SAY HOOMIN? <Vet> You're just fine, kitty |
| 08:44.40 | Cairenn | Amarande: heh |
| 08:45.24 | Cairenn | I'm just glad that I can't count the other's ribs just by looking at her any more - she was /so/ scrawny when we adopted her, poor thing |
| 08:49.53 | Amarande | and now it is time for me to zonk out before I fall onto my keys |
| 08:50.06 | Amarande | not to mention windows update probably won't save me from stayed-logged-on embarrassment two nights in a row |
| 08:50.07 | Amarande | night :) |
| 09:01.03 | AbsolutRayne | Hey guys |
| 09:01.30 | AbsolutRayne | My friend is building a UI for herself, and shes wondering if theres a way to increase the size of the text on the WoW Menu without changing the UI scale |
| 09:01.33 | Shirik | WTF |
| 09:01.41 | Shirik | my friend was talking to me and she's like |
| 09:01.45 | Shirik | ok nm |
| 09:01.49 | Shirik | forget it |
| 09:02.06 | AbsolutRayne | I think Clearfont used to do that |
| 09:02.14 | AbsolutRayne | But its been literally over a year since ive used it |
| 09:02.26 | Shirik | AbsolutRayne: When you create the font, one parameter is size |
| 09:02.47 | Shirik | !api CreateFont |
| 09:02.51 | lua_bot | CreateFont: Creates a new Font object (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CreateFont) |
| 09:03.01 | Shirik | ok no it's not |
| 09:03.02 | Shirik | wtf |
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| 09:05.50 | jnwhiteh | !api SetFont |
| 09:05.51 | lua_bot | Found 5 possible results for 'SetFont': FontInstance:SetFontObject, SimpleHTML:SetFont, Button:SetFontString, SimpleHTML:SetFontObject, FontInstance:SetFont |
| 09:06.03 | jnwhiteh | That's what you want, FontInstance:SetFont |
| 09:06.36 | Shirik | gah |
| 09:06.39 | Shirik | I knew it was somewhere |
| 09:06.59 | Shirik | not fair :( |
| 09:07.02 | Shirik | jnwhiteh cheated |
| 09:07.12 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 09:07.43 | Shirik | lua> 4^4 |
| 09:07.44 | lua_bot | Shirik: 256 |
| 09:07.47 | Shirik | lua> 3^3 |
| 09:07.47 | lua_bot | Shirik: 27 |
| 09:08.15 | Kalroth | lua> 2^2 |
| 09:08.15 | lua_bot | Kalroth: 4 |
| 09:08.28 | Shirik | yes thank you |
| 09:08.33 | Kalroth | (who's going to do 1^1 now) |
| 09:11.12 | Jamash | is there a way to assign a crafting recipe to an action button? |
| 09:11.41 | jnwhiteh | can't you just /cast it? |
| 09:12.02 | Jamash | I haven't been able to figure out how |
| 09:12.58 | Wobin | lua>1^1 |
| 09:13.00 | lua_bot | Wobin: 1 |
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| 09:13.08 | Jamash | I accidentally got some action buttons set to inscription recipes on the PTR, so it's possible, but I don't think there's a way to do so in the base UI |
| 09:13.11 | Wobin | lua>0^0 |
| 09:13.14 | lua_bot | Wobin: 1 |
| 09:13.52 | Adys | lua>-1^-1 |
| 09:13.54 | lua_bot | Adys: -1 |
| 09:15.52 | Jamash | there's some code that turns items that teach spells into the spells that they teach when you assign them to an action button then click on them |
| 09:16.03 | Jamash | I think it was put in for mounts and critters, but it seems to work for crafting recipes |
| 09:19.15 | jnwhiteh | GlueXML error in latest PTR version |
| 09:19.15 | jnwhiteh | heh |
| 09:20.48 | Shirik | ew |
| 09:20.50 | Shirik | really? |
| 09:20.59 | jnwhiteh | http://apidiff.pastey.net/127677 |
| 09:21.56 | Shirik | I don't see it |
| 09:22.20 | Shirik | or unrelated |
| 09:22.21 | Shirik | ? |
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| 09:23.34 | jnwhiteh | unrelated |
| 09:23.36 | jnwhiteh | that's just the API |
| 09:23.43 | jnwhiteh | tho its looking for a method called LocalizeFrames |
| 09:23.44 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 09:23.52 | jnwhiteh | but there's lots of Glue-only API |
| 09:24.25 | Jamash | hmm, would an addon that let you put tradeskill recipes on your action bars be all that useful? |
| 09:24.36 | jnwhiteh | not for me, but i dont TS much |
| 09:24.36 | mikma_ | sniff a glue |
| 09:24.40 | Arrowmaster | you cant do that with an addon though |
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| 09:24.48 | Jamash | apparently you can! |
| 09:25.04 | Jamash | lemme meddle around for a minute, I should have some working code |
| 09:25.10 | Shirik | why not? |
| 09:25.15 | mitch0 | but what would be the point? |
| 09:25.24 | Jamash | ah, that's the question |
| 09:25.27 | Shirik | example: Button click -> Open tradeskill frame, select, craft |
| 09:25.58 | Jamash | Tradeskill recipes are spells, you can assign recipe spells directly to buttons it seems |
| 09:26.08 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't surprise me |
| 09:26.14 | jnwhiteh | but you know that already =) |
| 09:26.19 | mitch0 | oh, you mean not actual recipes you have in the inventory |
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| 09:27.03 | mitch0 | that might be useful then |
| 09:27.30 | mitch0 | for the "usual meal" for example |
| 09:28.29 | Arrowmaster | just create buttons in opie or something to make your most common crafting items |
| 09:29.32 | mitch0 | but what if I want it in bartender?! |
| 09:29.45 | Arrowmaster | then use a macro slot |
| 09:30.43 | Arrowmaster | goes to sleep |
| 09:30.53 | Kalroth | nn awwow |
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| 09:34.06 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH2hWwD5Qfg |
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| 09:34.11 | mitch0 | (ok, I admit the business case is it not too strong) |
| 09:34.22 | Shirik | Fisker, that is for you |
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| 09:44.31 | Wobin | http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2009/11/05/image/279490_source%20-%20www.4chan.org.png |
| 09:45.12 | Jamash | >_< |
| 09:45.38 | Wobin | 4chan, educating the masses since year dot. |
| 09:47.04 | msoul | Hi |
| 09:47.04 | Jamash | wow is breaking my brain |
| 09:47.19 | msoul | If you get addicted to it yes |
| 09:47.38 | Jamash | no, programming wise. I've got a crafting recipe on an action button and damned if I can figure out how to do it again |
| 09:48.40 | msoul | Wobin: How's your new job? it isn't new anymore i suppose but you get the idea |
| 09:49.51 | Kalroth | Wobin is a roo pimp now? |
| 09:50.30 | Wobin | Kalroth, want to buy a wallaby? |
| 09:50.30 | msoul | Sir pimpAlot |
| 09:50.38 | Wobin | msoul, it's pretty awesome |
| 09:50.45 | Wobin | good workmates, interesting work |
| 09:50.47 | Kalroth | No, but I'm looking for a dropbear |
| 09:50.51 | Cairenn | awwww, wallaby is cuteness |
| 09:50.55 | Wobin | Kalroth, You don't find dropbears |
| 09:50.57 | Wobin | they find you |
| 09:50.58 | msoul | Wobin: Glad to hear that |
| 09:51.09 | msoul | Wobin: trying to find a job myself |
| 09:51.16 | msoul | it isn't easy in Finland :) |
| 09:52.40 | Wobin | Cairenn, http://www.flickr.com/photos/30938059@N08/3158887243/in/set-72157611997298623/ =) |
| 09:52.57 | Cairenn | :) |
| 09:53.25 | Cairenn | is SUCH a girl ;) |
| 09:55.35 | Kalroth | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qST5eVLudrQ :D |
| 09:55.50 | msoul | Will they ever bring 2hw DW for dks? :/ |
| 09:56.02 | Kalroth | msoul: reroll a warrior |
| 09:56.11 | msoul | i heard it isn't good for warriors for pve though not sure |
| 09:56.25 | Jamash | I want to be a DK who dual-wields dual-wielding warriors |
| 09:56.31 | msoul | Kalroth: Nah started a shaman will continue leveling one then rogue and lock |
| 09:56.46 | Jamash | the warriors would be gnomes, of course |
| 09:56.57 | msoul | Jamash: the sad part no one wants dks now really hard to get to a good guild |
| 09:57.12 | msoul | the starting point 55 is what made all that hoopla |
| 09:57.23 | msoul | Everyone have a dk these days |
| 09:57.31 | Jamash | I'm gearing my DK up for tanking |
| 09:57.53 | Jamash | since I already have a hunter for dps and a priest for healing |
| 09:58.16 | msoul | Nice, I just have a DK :) |
| 09:58.42 | msoul | Shaman will be my second best bet I think |
| 10:01.00 | Jamash | I have a learnable item (pet, mount, tradeskill recipe) on an action button. I click on that button. There's some magic somewhere that transforms the action button from being attached to the item to being attached to the newly learned spell |
| 10:01.09 | Jamash | wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere is that magic, I wonder |
| 10:02.00 | Kalroth | Jamash: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxR_-lkCmU4 |
| 10:02.14 | Jamash | thanks, I think |
| 10:02.57 | msoul | haha |
| 10:05.44 | msoul | "Name" starting Tog25 yet again, invites will starts shortly i want my regular ppl or those who have decent stats and achievement or don't bother /w and one trophy is reserved |
| 10:05.53 | msoul | i see that ALOT nowadays |
| 10:06.26 | msoul | I think it's time for me to move to a diff realm |
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| 10:12.24 | DWSR | anyone know where I can buy arrows in Southshore? |
| 10:12.31 | DWSR | And also, why my fucking rogue can't equip a quiver? |
| 10:13.27 | Wobin | equip? |
| 10:13.38 | Wobin | who uses quivers now? |
| 10:14.15 | Wobin | quivers are containers, DWSR |
| 10:14.22 | Wobin | you replace one of your bags with them |
| 10:14.24 | DWSR | yes. |
| 10:14.28 | DWSR | The game won't let me. |
| 10:14.35 | Wobin | is the quiver -in- the bag you're trying to replace? |
| 10:14.51 | Wobin | and is that bag empty otherwise? |
| 10:15.15 | DWSR | No it's not. |
| 10:15.19 | DWSR | and yes. |
| 10:15.22 | DWSR | Huh. |
| 10:15.22 | DWSR | Now it's working |
| 10:15.30 | Wobin | magic! |
| 10:15.32 | DWSR | I /rl'ed and it worked. |
| 10:15.36 | DWSR | Bartender bug |
| 10:15.36 | Wobin | PS, why use a quiver? |
| 10:16.28 | DWSR | Good point. |
| 10:16.42 | DWSR | So all my arrows go there? |
| 10:17.58 | Wobin | arrows stack to 1,000 now |
| 10:18.12 | Wobin | if you're a rogue, you're never going to work through a stack without knowing |
| 10:18.16 | Wobin | and you lose a bag slot |
| 10:18.17 | DWSR | yeah, I just noticed that |
| 10:18.31 | DWSR | lol, I just bought 2200 arrows. |
| 10:18.34 | DWSR | Oh well, good thing he's an alt. |
| 10:18.42 | DWSR | I bought him the BoA bow mostly for a stat stick |
| 10:18.50 | DWSR | And also so I can do ranged pulls that do a decent amount of damage |
| 10:19.06 | DWSR | as opposed to the shitty throwing knives |
| 10:19.36 | DWSR | guess I'm so used to being short a bad slow from my lock |
| 10:19.41 | Wobin | hehe |
| 10:19.49 | DWSR | bag slot* |
| 10:19.55 | Wobin | well... here we go... Dragon Age ahoy |
| 10:20.25 | DWSR | It's DA:O an mmorpg? |
| 10:20.27 | DWSR | OR just an rpg? |
| 10:20.43 | Wobin | just a rpg apparently |
| 10:23.08 | Jamash | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:23.10 | Jamash | again |
| 10:57.59 | Wobin | arse |
| 10:58.04 | Wobin | DA:O crashed on me =( |
| 11:00.53 | Kalroth | It deletes ALL saves when it crashes! |
| 11:01.16 | Wobin | ! |
| 11:01.18 | Wobin | !! |
| 11:01.20 | Wobin | =( |
| 11:01.26 | Wobin | wtf? |
| 11:01.32 | Wobin | That's... kinda screwed up |
| 11:02.25 | olafski | guys! I can't find 'gullible' on dictionary.com :( |
| 11:02.40 | Wobin | damnit |
| 11:02.43 | Wobin | it was there last I checked |
| 11:02.50 | Wobin | try an alternate spelling |
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| 11:05.05 | Adys | [12:01:09] <Jamash> wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere is that magic, I wonder |
| 11:05.08 | Adys | serverside |
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| 13:01.16 | Fisker | gentlemen |
| 13:02.24 | theorbtwo | The ladies don't get a greeting? YOU SEXIST ASSHOLE! |
| 13:02.32 | theorbtwo | Greetings. |
| 13:02.46 | Elkano | ~emulate Fisker- |
| 13:02.47 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, emulate fisker- is DISCLAIMER - The views of Fisker- do not necessarily represent this channel or its inhabitents. The Fisker- regularly browses 4chan looking for CP, or at least JB, and tries to convert more followers to his cause everyday. He says he's just a fan of "Captain Picard" and "Joe Bishop", but we know better, right? We think he's just here to try and get more CP, so watch out! - END DISCLAIMER |
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| 13:24.27 | Fisker | i'm gonna kill you Cide- |
| 13:24.36 | Cide- | nou |
| 13:25.21 | Fisker | http://www.wow.com/2009/11/06/breakfast-topic-would-you-ninja-the-onyxia-mount/ <-i wouldn't steal a car |
| 13:27.45 | mitch0 | how can one steal the mount in a pug? are they running with FFA or what? |
| 13:28.16 | foxlit | ML, usually |
| 13:28.21 | foxlit | I'm pretty sure wowinsider blatantly copies wow forums for breakfast topics. |
| 13:28.34 | Fisker | durr |
| 13:28.49 | mitch0 | I wouldn't go with a pug with ML |
| 13:28.51 | foxlit | Their latency is impressive, though. |
| 13:29.08 | foxlit | mitch0: do you pug raid content, ever? |
| 13:29.14 | mitch0 | no :P |
| 13:29.24 | Fisker | well |
| 13:29.27 | Fisker | people are stupid |
| 13:29.29 | mitch0 | well, I would |
| 13:29.37 | mitch0 | I just don't really play nowadays at all |
| 13:29.47 | foxlit | ML looting in raids is the defacto standard around here. |
| 13:29.58 | mitch0 | it is, in guild raids |
| 13:30.06 | Kalroth | wat |
| 13:30.10 | foxlit | Er, no. Guild raids tend to bother with FFA/GL |
| 13:30.23 | Kalroth | We've never ever run with anything but FFA |
| 13:30.27 | foxlit | Since there's a certain level of trust in the other 24 people. |
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| 13:30.29 | Fisker | using anything but ML in guild raids is fail |
| 13:30.45 | Kalroth | If people want to ninja something, then it's a cheap way to find out that they're dumbasses |
| 13:30.54 | mitch0 | in any case, I wouldn't run a pug with ML (raid or no raid) |
| 13:30.58 | Legorol | ML is the best for speedpulling, because you leave the looter behind, everyone else moves on, and the loot magically flies to you |
| 13:31.04 | olafski | ML in guild raids? |
| 13:31.06 | olafski | haven't seen that for ages |
| 13:31.11 | Legorol | olafski: that's why we use ML |
| 13:31.16 | Legorol | to speed up pulling |
| 13:31.18 | foxlit | Legorol: odd. GL is easier. |
| 13:31.26 | olafski | speed up how? |
| 13:31.27 | foxlit | Determine who gets the item, that person hits N, loot flies. |
| 13:31.33 | Legorol | GL tends to be more distracting |
| 13:31.36 | foxlit | total people at corpse = 0 |
| 13:31.39 | Legorol | and sometimes we have to discuss specific loot items |
| 13:31.43 | olafski | you could just give the items to the master looter and trade them to the appropriate people |
| 13:31.47 | Fisker | GL has a range |
| 13:31.53 | Fisker | and tends to be more distracting as said |
| 13:32.00 | Fisker | ML range > GL range atleast |
| 13:32.11 | olafski | pass/need as soon as it drops and move on |
| 13:32.13 | olafski | it really isn't that hard |
| 13:32.17 | Fisker | also not to mention the time constraints |
| 13:32.19 | Legorol | olafski: it's not that simple, for two reasons: |
| 13:32.23 | Kalroth | We log items by their looter, so we need people using need/greed :p |
| 13:32.25 | mitch0 | which site is it with the regular "addon spotlight" or whatnot? |
| 13:32.26 | Legorol | we have offspecs/dualspecs who might want an item, and |
| 13:32.34 | Legorol | often people pass for others if it's a bigger upgrade for them |
| 13:32.39 | Legorol | these things are much easier handled with ML |
| 13:32.41 | olafski | what does that have to do with the loot type legorol? |
| 13:32.44 | olafski | nothing |
| 13:32.48 | Legorol | of course it does |
| 13:32.49 | olafski | you can trade soulbound items for months now |
| 13:32.59 | Legorol | yah but you don't want to slow down and bother with that |
| 13:33.00 | olafski | so just give _everything_ to the master looter and decide who really gets it while fighting |
| 13:33.08 | olafski | but you do want to leave one person at the corpse? |
| 13:33.12 | Legorol | but then you have to trade at some point |
| 13:33.13 | olafski | that sounds like slowing down to me |
| 13:33.31 | Legorol | also: the ML can't loot profession specific items to himself |
| 13:33.34 | foxlit | Meh, you're one person short because of your loot rules anyway. |
| 13:33.35 | Kalroth | We use corpse time to make people go weewee, etc |
| 13:33.40 | olafski | really legorol? |
| 13:33.42 | Legorol | that's right |
| 13:33.47 | olafski | I thought profession specific items are bind on use nowadays |
| 13:33.57 | Legorol | except the ones that are BoP |
| 13:34.05 | olafski | show me a couple of those please |
| 13:34.08 | Legorol | for example, alchemist's cache on Freya |
| 13:34.10 | olafski | I don't really raid atm :P |
| 13:34.14 | olafski | sigh |
| 13:34.19 | olafski | so have alchemists roll need on that -_- |
| 13:34.23 | mitch0 | (found the addon spotlight thing btw) |
| 13:34.34 | Legorol | olafski: that assumes using GL |
| 13:34.38 | olafski | yes |
| 13:34.40 | Legorol | you advocated GL, which i disagreed with |
| 13:34.44 | olafski | all of my arguments so far assumed GL |
| 13:34.49 | Legorol | you say we can just loot everything to the ML, with which I agree |
| 13:34.59 | olafski | this is hopeless :P |
| 13:35.00 | Legorol | no, you also suggested looting everything to the ML |
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| 13:35.05 | theorbtwo | mitch0: Where is it? |
| 13:35.05 | olafski | indeed |
| 13:35.08 | olafski | with group loot |
| 13:35.15 | Legorol | the most efficient solution imo is looting everything to ML, then discussing as you move on |
| 13:35.31 | mitch0 | http://www.wow.com/category/addon-spotlight/ |
| 13:35.33 | Legorol | GL is more distracting and results in more spam in raid chat |
| 13:35.37 | foxlit | Depends on how complex your discussions are. |
| 13:35.43 | Legorol | ours tend to be pretty complex |
| 13:35.43 | mitch0 | theorbtwo: but it's crap. none of my addons are in it :P |
| 13:35.48 | olafski | spam in raid chat, ohnoes.. :) |
| 13:35.52 | Legorol | we have loot priority like this: main spec > dual spec > off spec |
| 13:35.52 | foxlit | GL results in spam if you don't know how to configure your chat frames :) |
| 13:35.56 | olafski | enable that option that only shows winning rolls |
| 13:36.15 | Legorol | and we often pass for each other after discussing for whom is it a bigger upgrade |
| 13:36.37 | Legorol | both with GL and looting everything to ML you probably end up having to trade items |
| 13:37.12 | olafski | yes.. |
| 13:37.17 | olafski | wait |
| 13:37.23 | olafski | you're seeing a difference? |
| 13:37.35 | Legorol | yes |
| 13:37.35 | foxlit | Trading items sucks. |
| 13:37.41 | Legorol | with GL you don't get the annoying popup :) |
| 13:37.42 | olafski | I meant looting everything to the ML by using GL :P |
| 13:37.43 | Legorol | i mean with ML |
| 13:37.52 | olafski | rightclick your portrait > pass on loot |
| 13:37.53 | olafski | no popup |
| 13:38.00 | Legorol | that's true |
| 13:38.08 | Legorol | so the only problem left then is alchemist's cache |
| 13:38.22 | jadakren | loot sux, imo should just 1. loging move to mailbox 2. recieve loot 3. fap 4. then logoff |
| 13:38.25 | olafski | guildbank gogo |
| 13:38.34 | olafski | that sounds good jadakren |
| 13:38.36 | Legorol | olafski, you missed my point |
| 13:38.41 | Legorol | only alchemists are able to loot the cache |
| 13:38.57 | Legorol | if you set pass on loot with GL, you are screwed |
| 13:39.18 | olafski | if everybody passes I doubt the item disappears |
| 13:39.29 | Legorol | it doesn't disappear, but noone will be eligible to loot it |
| 13:39.36 | olafski | that too I doubt |
| 13:39.48 | Legorol | i don't :) we had lots of bugs with that cache, even in conditions that *should* work |
| 13:40.36 | olafski | anywho, my guild used GL to great effect in ulduar |
| 13:40.53 | olafski | but my guild only did 10man so perhaps it's a bit different in 25man :P |
| 13:41.00 | foxlit | Tbh, you could probably use some clever addons to figure out who wants what beforehand. |
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| 13:41.08 | foxlit | And do loot assignments instantly. |
| 13:42.26 | olafski | probably |
| 13:42.37 | olafski | since you already know what might drop from each boss |
| 13:42.43 | olafski | have people mark on a list what they want ;) |
| 13:44.09 | Legorol | but then you'd have to waste time at the start before starting discussing between people who all want the same loot |
| 13:44.18 | Legorol | it's easier to only hold the discussion *if* the item actually drops |
| 13:44.32 | Legorol | otherwise you'll have a lot of redundant discussion before each raid |
| 13:44.44 | olafski | discussing? how do you do that now then, you said you have a priority system |
| 13:44.56 | olafski | just /random it, loot isn't _that_ rare |
| 13:45.14 | olafski | tbh I don't see the problem at all, but I guess some people care more about the items than others :P |
| 13:46.01 | olafski | we rolled need for main, greed for offspec or tiny upgrade and pass if we didn't want an item and nobody ever cried |
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| 13:53.23 | olafski | hm. how does bartender's totem bar work? it's just an empty bar and I can't really put anything on it either |
| 13:56.02 | jnwhiteh | ScytheBlade1: you have a link to your validation again? |
| 13:56.05 | jnwhiteh | I promise I'll save it this time |
| 14:01.00 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
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| 14:08.50 | Gnarfoz | olafski: I thought BT just made the Blizz one movable...? |
| 14:08.53 | Gnarfoz | ask nevcairiel :) |
| 14:09.05 | olafski | guess I will do that :P right now it doesn't show up at all |
| 14:09.11 | olafski | maybe some other addon has hidden the blizzard one |
| 14:09.29 | nevcairiel | totems you learn appear on the totem bar by itself, you cant put stuff on there |
| 14:09.48 | olafski | that's how it used to work 2 months ago when I last played my shaman, nevcairiel |
| 14:09.52 | olafski | but now it doesn't show at all :/ |
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| 14:10.17 | olafski | I seem to be the only one having this issue, looking at the tickets |
| 14:11.16 | olafski | heh, disabling ct_bottombar did the trick, even though I didn't have "hide totem bar" enabled on that one |
| 14:11.20 | olafski | sorry for wasting your time +( |
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| 14:13.24 | Gnarfoz | ct_wtf |
| 14:13.35 | Gnarfoz | ctmod still has working parts? ^^ |
| 14:13.58 | olafski | unsure |
| 14:14.03 | olafski | I still use ct_mailmod |
| 14:14.07 | nevcairiel | well apparently not 100% working |
| 14:14.09 | olafski | but it doesn't work properly |
| 14:14.12 | Lopeppeppy | Some of it, sure. |
| 14:15.39 | olafski | man I get distracted quickly.. was flying from stormwind to westfall to start questing and halfway I logged another char :< |
| 14:28.35 | foxlit | grr. Things that should be equivalent aren't, and I cant't find what gives. |
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| 14:33.59 | Ancu | Hello! whats all up to? |
| 14:34.46 | Ancu | Noone awake then? thats too bad :( |
| 14:35.00 | Lopeppeppy | Impatient much for this early in the morning? |
| 14:35.36 | olafski | he's on dialup etc ;) |
| 14:35.37 | Ancu | I waited almost a full minet according to the time stamp |
| 14:35.50 | Ancu | lol |
| 14:36.07 | Ancu | so what is all up to? And dont start making jokes about my kb |
| 14:36.09 | olafski | wait half an hour next time :P |
| 14:36.35 | foxlit | all is up to... you. |
| 14:36.49 | olafski | why would we make jokes about your knowledge base :( |
| 14:37.44 | Ancu | I ment killo bytes |
| 14:37.54 | Ancu | I want an exabyet connection |
| 14:38.03 | Ancu | or atleast a petabyet |
| 14:38.08 | Ancu | byte* |
| 14:38.17 | Kalroth | I'd settle with a gigabit connection |
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| 14:39.17 | olafski | I'm fine with 1/10th of a gigabit connection :( |
| 14:39.46 | zenzelezz | I'd be fine with Lopeppeppy |
| 14:40.02 | Fisker | slaps zenzelezz around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:40.23 | Ancu | I would be fine with an icecream cone |
| 14:40.48 | jadakren | back when i was a kid we used sparrows and coconuts |
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| 14:48.10 | Ancu | where they african sparrows? |
| 14:50.07 | Lopeppeppy | gives zenzelezz some cookies. |
| 14:50.21 | zenzelezz | =D |
| 14:51.08 | Ancu | is sad because he didn't get any cookies |
| 14:51.28 | zenzelezz | you lack peppy rep |
| 14:51.33 | zenzelezz | I have farmed it for a long time |
| 14:51.33 | alestane | Easy fix! |
| 14:51.42 | alestane | leaves a plate of cookies out. |
| 14:52.08 | Ancu | gobbles down all of alestanes cookies |
| 14:52.20 | Lopeppeppy | My cookies are better. Trust me. *purr* |
| 14:52.35 | Ancu | thanks alestane |
| 14:52.54 | Ancu | throws chocolate chips in the air like rice at a wedding |
| 14:53.26 | Ancu | ~x=1 print(x) |
| 14:53.41 | Ancu | oops, wrong bot |
| 14:53.49 | Ancu | lua>x=1 print(x) |
| 14:53.50 | lua_bot | Ancu: 1 |
| 14:54.56 | Ancu | lua>x=(1/3) print(x) |
| 14:54.57 | lua_bot | Ancu: 0.33333333333333 |
| 14:55.12 | Ancu | lua>print(x) |
| 14:55.12 | lua_bot | Ancu: nil |
| 14:55.23 | Ancu | aww, he doesnt remember vars? |
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| 14:56.24 | alestane | lua_bot scrubs the Lua state for each request to keep people from lousing other people up, either on purpose or accidentally. |
| 14:56.51 | Ancu | awww, darn |
| 14:58.23 | olafski | seems like a logical thing to do |
| 14:58.41 | olafski | else it'd also have to keep track of different conversations it's having |
| 14:59.16 | Ancu | lua>x="alastane" y={one="Luabot"} print("I like "..y.one.." better then "..x") |
| 14:59.16 | lua_bot | Ancu: luabot:1: unfinished string near '<eof>' |
| 14:59.26 | Ancu | oops |
| 14:59.46 | Ancu | lua>x="alastane" y={one="Luabot"} print("I like '..y.one..' better then '..x") |
| 14:59.47 | lua_bot | Ancu: I like '..y.one..' better then '..x |
| 15:00.00 | olafski | :P |
| 15:00.00 | alestane | Have to match your strings. |
| 15:00.07 | Ancu | lua>x="alastane" y={one="Luabot"} print('I like '..y.one..' better then '..x') |
| 15:00.07 | lua_bot | Ancu: luabot:1: unfinished string near '<eof>' |
| 15:00.08 | olafski | you only had to remove the last " |
| 15:00.25 | Ancu | oh...I see |
| 15:00.30 | Ancu | lua>x="alastane" y={one="Luabot"} print('I like '..y.one..' better then '..x) |
| 15:00.30 | lua_bot | Ancu: I like Luabot better then alastane |
| 15:00.33 | Ancu | HA |
| 15:00.44 | Ancu | lol, that was a stupid mistake |
| 15:01.08 | alestane | Hmmph. |
| 15:01.20 | Ancu | I still like your cookies alestane |
| 15:01.57 | alestane | cleans up the plate and lets the oven get cold. |
| 15:02.23 | Ancu | :'( |
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| 15:02.52 | Lopeppeppy | This is not the way to farm Peppy rep. Just sayin'. |
| 15:03.13 | alestane | lol |
| 15:03.21 | Wobin | "The official reason the LHC malfunctioned during tests earlier this week was that it was caused by "a bit of baguette on the busbars" – apparently dropped by a hungry bird." |
| 15:03.40 | cogwheel | O.o |
| 15:03.49 | cogwheel | and why was it susceptible to such a thing? |
| 15:05.09 | Ancu | goes through the motions of telling lopeppeppy that he is such a wonderfull person. But Ancu is not verry convincing |
| 15:05.14 | Lopeppeppy | Nice. Can't you put a friggin' ROOF on the billion dollar machine? |
| 15:05.48 | zenzelezz | this is not a billion dollar machine, it's a billion euro machine |
| 15:06.20 | Ancu | notes that peppy rep did not go up :( |
| 15:06.56 | Mikk | Ancu: referring to peppy as "he" might have something to do with it |
| 15:07.20 | Ancu | oh...one mo |
| 15:07.34 | Ancu | goes through the motions of telling lopeppeppy that she is such a wonderfull person. But Ancu is not verry convincing |
| 15:07.39 | Ancu | better? |
| 15:08.05 | Lopeppeppy | No. |
| 15:08.13 | Ancu | What now? |
| 15:08.25 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy is not that easy |
| 15:08.35 | Ancu | Darn..... |
| 15:09.20 | Ancu | flys to africa, makes fresh lemonade, flys back and offers to Lopeppeppy. |
| 15:09.47 | zenzelezz | you're trying too hard |
| 15:10.06 | Ancu | YOUR NOT HELPING! (lol) |
| 15:10.18 | alestane | Haven't you seen those "Too Light; Too heavy" Bud light commercials? |
| 15:10.26 | Ancu | no |
| 15:10.28 | zenzelezz | of course I'm not, I want her alone |
| 15:10.58 | Lopeppeppy | "You may not have my love exclusively, but you may have it uniquely." |
| 15:11.11 | zenzelezz | that doesn't stop me from trying |
| 15:11.22 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy's love is a many splendoured thing |
| 15:11.37 | Cairenn | points out that Lopeppeppy is hers |
| 15:11.48 | zenzelezz | would share Lopeppeppy with Cairenn |
| 15:11.51 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy's love changes everything! |
| 15:12.03 | Wobin | Some say Lopeppeppy's love, it is a river! |
| 15:12.08 | Cairenn | grins |
| 15:12.31 | alestane | Lopeppeppy is much in demand this morning. |
| 15:12.35 | Ancu | and they said I was trying too hard... |
| 15:12.55 | Ancu | offers HH mount |
| 15:13.07 | zenzelezz | Ancu: we have years of practice |
| 15:13.16 | Ackis | doesn't want Lopeppeppy |
| 15:13.27 | zenzelezz | good, one less competitor |
| 15:13.53 | Ancu | Ackis: is ARL your only addon? |
| 15:13.58 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 15:14.05 | Ackis | Ancu: nein |
| 15:14.12 | Fisker | "We here at D2D believe that STEAM IS THE EXCLUSIVE ONLINE RETAILER FOR THE MOST ANTICIPATED GAME OF THE YEAR." |
| 15:14.29 | Elkano | Chess online? |
| 15:14.35 | Ackis | Ancu: http://www.wowace.com/profiles/Ackis/ |
| 15:15.10 | Ackis | Fisker: wot? |
| 15:15.35 | Ancu | Chuck norris facts?! lol |
| 15:16.11 | Ackis | :D |
| 15:16.28 | Ackis | I wrote that to be obnoxious and annoying |
| 15:16.34 | Ackis | no one told me I already was |
| 15:16.36 | Ackis | hah |
| 15:16.39 | Ancu | I might have to get that |
| 15:16.48 | Wobin | d2d is pretty terrible if you live in Aus |
| 15:17.02 | Ackis | I never liked d2d |
| 15:17.08 | Ackis | I bought a wow expansion from them however |
| 15:17.11 | Ackis | I like steam |
| 15:17.16 | Lopeppeppy | smiles. |
| 15:17.17 | Ackis | and I have a few games on impulse |
| 15:17.30 | Lopeppeppy | Y'all have taken my sleep-deprived grumpy morning and made it better. Thank you. |
| 15:17.41 | Wobin | there have been reports about what steam are going to do =( |
| 15:18.01 | Ackis | what is steam going to do? |
| 15:18.03 | Ancu | offers flowers to make lopeppeppys morning even better :) |
| 15:18.07 | Wobin | http://steamunpowered.eu/steam-restrictions-in-japansoon-rest-of-the-world/ |
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| 15:20.06 | Ackis | eh doesn't really affect me and tbh it's not my biggest concern with steam anyways |
| 15:20.13 | Wobin | yeah |
| 15:20.16 | Ackis | if steam goes bankrupt, I lose all my games with no recourse |
| 15:20.22 | Wobin | backup! |
| 15:20.39 | Ackis | you need the steam authorization system to play |
| 15:21.05 | Wobin | not always |
| 15:22.07 | olafski | didn't they say they'd release a new version of all games without that stuff if steam should ever go bankrupt? |
| 15:22.23 | Ackis | i don't know |
| 15:22.30 | Fisker | Ackis http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/51232/Direct2Drive-Refuses-To-Stock-Modern-Warfare-2-Its-Steam-Powered-Trojan-Horse |
| 15:23.27 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=8464916502&sid=1#6 |
| 15:23.33 | Fisker | 6. Re: Hated with the goblins .. 22/03/2009 16:59:05 CET |
| 15:23.39 | Fisker | 7. Re: Hated with the goblins .. 06/11/2009 16:08:24 CET |
| 15:23.44 | Fisker | Ok thank you all for the help , and thank you Xemafir. |
| 15:23.44 | Ackis | MW2 on the PC is going to sell like 5 copies anyways |
| 15:23.45 | Fisker | ... |
| 15:24.08 | Fisker | i bought a copy Ackis :( |
| 15:24.09 | olafski | why would you buy a game on direct2drive that requires you to install steam anyway |
| 15:24.18 | Fisker | but i stuck it too the man |
| 15:24.24 | Fisker | olafski they already sell games that do |
| 15:24.28 | Fisker | and why not? |
| 15:24.36 | Ackis | Fisker: have you seen how badly it's been gimped? |
| 15:24.45 | Fisker | Why would retailers seller a game that requires you to install on steam anyway? |
| 15:24.50 | Fisker | yes Ackis |
| 15:24.58 | Fisker | Which is why i wouldn't be part of the system |
| 15:25.03 | Fisker | but got it for like 37€ |
| 15:25.12 | Fisker | and SP is nice enough |
| 15:25.40 | Ackis | their PC features == mouse and keyboard support + being able to change display settings pretty much |
| 15:25.46 | Ackis | 9 vs 9, no dedicated servers |
| 15:26.06 | olafski | fisker: if you need to install steam, why not buy it on steam to begin with? :s |
| 15:26.29 | Fisker | Prices maybe? |
| 15:26.32 | Fisker | Personal preference? |
| 15:26.34 | Fisker | etc? |
| 15:26.51 | olafski | bleh |
| 15:27.06 | olafski | if a game requires steam they shouldn't even be selling it through other media tbh :P |
| 15:27.19 | olafski | and I'm quite sure it will sell more than 5 copies ackis :P |
| 15:27.19 | Fisker | i don't see why not |
| 15:28.31 | foxlit | Physical media may be advantageous to those with limited internet connectivity |
| 15:28.34 | Ackis | olafski: it'll be big on consoles, however the PC version is gimped |
| 15:29.05 | olafski | gimped is in the eye of the beholder |
| 15:29.11 | olafski | and I still think it will sell more than 5 copies :P |
| 15:30.11 | Ackis | olafski: for a game this big, it's made #10 on the steam popular sellers list only, it should have been top 3 at least... yes it'll sell more than 5 copies, but that was an EXPRESSION :P |
| 15:30.13 | Ackis | ~rlart |
| 15:30.14 | purl | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up Norsken |
| 15:30.29 | olafski | I know it's an expression |
| 15:30.37 | olafski | but despite all the QQ about it I think the sales won't be affected that much |
| 15:30.51 | Fisker | true Ackis |
| 15:30.55 | Fisker | they messed up |
| 15:30.58 | Fisker | but i got it cheaper so nanana |
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| 15:31.21 | Ackis | sales have already been impacted olafski at least that's my impression |
| 15:31.28 | Fisker | Even TF2 outsold MW2 with a 2-hour sale in a 24-hour period |
| 15:31.33 | Fisker | = i lol'd |
| 15:31.59 | mitch0 | so who's a twitter fan here? anyone happen to know if its possible to create commercial offerings interfacing to twitter? |
| 15:32.20 | olafski | good point about gamespy.. I guess D2D doesn't want steam because they like gamespy ;) |
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| 15:32.42 | foxlit | D2D doesn't want steam because they're competitors. |
| 15:33.01 | foxlit | Mystery resolved. |
| 15:33.04 | Ackis | mitch0: there's an API however they limit what you can do data wise |
| 15:33.17 | Wobin | exactly |
| 15:33.28 | mitch0 | but do they require some sort of contract? |
| 15:33.36 | Wobin | none of this "We're looking out for you, really" altruism crap |
| 15:33.55 | Wobin | mitch0, what do you mean? |
| 15:33.58 | Fisker | no foxlit |
| 15:33.59 | mitch0 | or I can just launch a $10/month service that lets you tweet via morse-code or whatever |
| 15:34.03 | Fisker | They're already selling steamworks titles |
| 15:34.04 | Wobin | (by commercial offerings) |
| 15:34.04 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 15:34.11 | mitch0 | wobin: ^ |
| 15:34.15 | Fisker | and retail don't have a problem with it |
| 15:34.16 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 15:34.30 | Wobin | mitch0, I'm still not following |
| 15:35.04 | mitch0 | I'm company Morse. I have this device I sell to twitters that lest them write tweets (via the twitter api) |
| 15:35.12 | mitch0 | I charge $10 / month for this |
| 15:35.22 | mitch0 | do I have to contract with Twitter.com for that? |
| 15:35.23 | Wobin | That's fine |
| 15:35.23 | foxlit | Fisker: doesn't that directly contradict their press release? |
| 15:35.25 | Wobin | no |
| 15:35.28 | mitch0 | ok |
| 15:35.29 | mitch0 | thanks |
| 15:35.44 | Ackis | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002I0HKIU?ie=UTF8&tag=twitter0d3-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B002I0HKIU |
| 15:35.51 | foxlit | "Trojans bad. Customers no get trojans." "Except those other titles" |
| 15:35.53 | Wobin | You might want to read the ToU for the API though |
| 15:35.57 | mitch0 | A business case is forming to milk them bastards then :P |
| 15:36.06 | Wobin | just in case |
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| 15:36.14 | Codayus | Mmm, it'd be...kinda funny if people reacted to console-style networking on a PC title by...buying the game on a console. What would you do next? React to WoW selling minipets by quitting and starting to play DDO? |
| 15:36.14 | mitch0 | wobin: didn't find it at first glance, will look harder |
| 15:36.35 | Cairenn | What's the difference between bird flu and swine flu? |
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| 15:36.47 | Wobin | ... |
| 15:36.47 | zenzelezz | :-p |
| 15:36.50 | foxlit | ... |
| 15:36.51 | Wobin | >< |
| 15:36.54 | zenzelezz | lurves Cairenn |
| 15:36.56 | olafski | I don't think people will react that way though |
| 15:37.05 | olafski | just less PC users might buy it.. they won't buy it on a console instead |
| 15:37.12 | Codayus | Cairenn: Did you hear about the surefire cure for swine flu? You just sit in a smoke filled room all night, and in the morning, you're cured! |
| 15:37.14 | Wobin | I wouldn't buy it on a console |
| 15:37.21 | Cairenn | Codayus: hah! |
| 15:37.22 | Wobin | because I hate playing rpg style games on a console |
| 15:38.09 | olafski | mw2 is an rpg now? ;) |
| 15:38.18 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:38.22 | olafski | me neither |
| 15:38.27 | olafski | but if I would, it'd be on console ;) |
| 15:38.32 | Ackis | I"m playing DA:O on the console |
| 15:38.34 | Ackis | it's fun |
| 15:38.37 | Ackis | retarded |
| 15:38.38 | Ackis | but fun |
| 15:38.42 | Ackis | PC > Console |
| 15:38.44 | Wobin | how retarded? |
| 15:38.57 | Wobin | Ackis, did you have to buy it twice? |
| 15:39.03 | Ackis | no overhead function, the pause is stupid, etc |
| 15:39.07 | Ackis | yah I own two copies |
| 15:39.23 | Wobin | eh, I find myself accidentally pausing all the time when trying to jump =P |
| 15:39.40 | Ackis | heh |
| 15:39.44 | Ackis | my gf is playing the PC version (On steam) and I'm playing the xbox version |
| 15:40.03 | Wobin | what class are you playing? |
| 15:40.11 | Wobin | I've a mage/healer sort atm |
| 15:40.35 | Wobin | I reckon it'd be tough without some sort of healing |
| 15:40.58 | Ackis | I'm a rogue, I didn't have a healer in my group til last night when my dps mage leveled up and I gave her a healing spell lol |
| 15:41.48 | Wobin | how are you finding the rogueing? I didn't think there was much to lockpick aside from the occasional chest |
| 15:42.59 | Ackis | chests are annoying, I haven't done any stealign or anything |
| 15:43.07 | Ackis | I'm thinking the rogue is the "hardest" calss to play |
| 15:43.28 | Ackis | stealth is useless for me IMO |
| 15:46.59 | Ackis | I can't wait to try a tank or mage |
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| 15:55.00 | Ackis | http://social.bioware.com/game_patches.php |
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| 15:58.36 | Adys | Shirik: ping |
| 15:58.41 | Wobin | Ackis, huh |
| 15:58.52 | Wobin | Normal seems relatively easy enough atm |
| 15:59.09 | Wobin | sounds like 'Easy' will be Torchlight easy =P |
| 15:59.14 | Ackis | the difficulties for the games are weird |
| 15:59.19 | Ackis | PC normal == XBox hard |
| 15:59.23 | Wobin | really? |
| 15:59.26 | Wobin | O.O |
| 15:59.37 | Ackis | there's no easy mod in xbox, it's called "casual" |
| 15:59.38 | Ackis | lol |
| 15:59.51 | Wobin | rofl |
| 16:00.10 | Ackis | I had to drop the difficulty from normal to "casual", I couldn't do anything since I can't really micromanage my party |
| 16:00.16 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/234949167 |
| 16:00.22 | Ackis | now the game is too easy |
| 16:00.22 | Wobin | Ackis, yeah |
| 16:00.34 | Wobin | the only way I can micromanage is swap toons to cast a specific spell |
| 16:00.47 | Wobin | maybe I need to fiddle with the tactical manager more |
| 16:01.08 | Wobin | Mage is kinda fun |
| 16:01.15 | Wobin | especially the living bomb spell |
| 16:01.18 | Ackis | you have a pause and you can queue multiple commands in a row :( |
| 16:01.41 | Wobin | cast it on a mob, it takes a DoT damage, and blows up when dead |
| 16:01.47 | Wobin | into a huge cloud of blood |
| 16:01.57 | Wobin | and if it chains, it can get pretty epic |
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| 16:04.28 | sylvanaar | Ackis how far have you gotten |
| 16:04.47 | Ackis | sylvanaar: I did the daelish elves, did the stone prisoner, and now I'm in the mage tower |
| 16:05.00 | Wobin | I was looking for a bit for a resurrection spell =P |
| 16:05.08 | Wobin | then I found you could just Gears of War them back |
| 16:05.31 | Wobin | Only to have him killed in a cutscene =P |
| 16:06.13 | sylvanaar | Ackis im at some camp going on a mission to become a grey-something guard |
| 16:06.28 | sylvanaar | real descriptive i know |
| 16:06.36 | Ackis | lol |
| 16:07.34 | sylvanaar | i just got out of the mage academy |
| 16:07.53 | sylvanaar | i have played maybe 3-4 hours tops |
| 16:08.12 | Ackis | ah |
| 16:08.13 | Ackis | ok |
| 16:08.16 | Ackis | Grey Warden |
| 16:08.21 | sylvanaar | yeah |
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| 16:08.45 | Wobin | sylvanaar, I just finished that bit =) |
| 16:08.52 | Wobin | mage is kinda cool |
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| 16:09.02 | sylvanaar | mage is really cool |
| 16:10.05 | sylvanaar | i keep trying to jump with my space bar though |
| 16:10.09 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 16:10.29 | Wobin | I feel so ground bound =P |
| 16:10.33 | sylvanaar | lol |
| 16:11.39 | sylvanaar | i was going to play longer last night - but they are replaying the legend of the seeker episodes, so i ended up watching those |
| 16:12.02 | Jerub | anyone know what level at which you should stack ArP as a feral dps drood? |
| 16:12.23 | Wobin | ugh |
| 16:12.35 | Wobin | that's the Sword of Truth tv series isn't it? |
| 16:12.38 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 16:12.41 | sylvanaar | its cheesy |
| 16:12.44 | Wobin | is it as terrible as the books? |
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| 16:13.20 | sylvanaar | its pretty cheesy - but - its one of the more interesting shows on |
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| 16:13.35 | Wobin | has been watching Castle |
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| 16:13.45 | Wobin | hm |
| 16:13.49 | sylvanaar | castle? |
| 16:13.57 | Wobin | looking at the wiki for LotS, they did the casting really well |
| 16:14.07 | sylvanaar | its a good show |
| 16:14.10 | Wobin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_%28TV_series%29 |
| 16:14.19 | sylvanaar | honestly - it was sort of a sleeper |
| 16:14.25 | Wobin | they're just as I imagined them to look |
| 16:14.56 | cog|work | i think Kahlan was my least favorite part of the tv series |
| 16:15.04 | cog|work | she only ever seems to have one expression |
| 16:15.21 | cog|work | and i'm fairly certain it's Botox's fault |
| 16:15.25 | Wobin | Hah, it has Jay Laga'aia |
| 16:16.10 | sylvanaar | haha |
| 16:16.35 | Wobin | the first few books of the series were pretty good |
| 16:16.49 | cog|work | mrs cog has all the audio books |
| 16:17.33 | durcyn | heh. http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/11/dutch-hacker-holds-jailbroken-iphones-hostage-for-5.ars |
| 16:17.33 | Wobin | until Blood of the Fold |
| 16:17.41 | Wobin | where it went utterly batshit insane |
| 16:17.52 | Wobin | and totally Randian |
| 16:18.45 | cog|work | it was pretty randian throughout, though a lot more subtle to begin with |
| 16:18.51 | Wobin | yeah |
| 16:18.56 | Wobin | I stopped reading at that point |
| 16:18.59 | Wobin | when I couldn't ignore it =P |
| 16:19.26 | Wobin | highly recommends Castle as a good series to watch |
| 16:20.35 | cog|work | It's a bit easier to swallow if you're already a libertarian ;) |
| 16:20.49 | alestane | I've heard it's very funny and exciting...and of course it's nice to see Nathan Fillion get a second season of something. |
| 16:21.03 | Wobin | It has great banter |
| 16:21.13 | durcyn | Wobin: anything with nathan fillion in it is good, desperate housewives guest spot notwithstanding |
| 16:21.26 | Wobin | cog|work, I think the rape pit was it for me =P |
| 16:22.53 | cog|work | I only absorbed bits and pieces while my wife was listening to the books so I can't really speak to that :P |
| 16:24.26 | Wobin | cog|work, http://m-mcgregor.livejournal.com/116180.html is a good synopsis =P |
| 16:27.10 | cog|work | also, she's got a highly advanced time-sharing system so I often get plot points mixed up with The Dark Tower series... |
| 16:27.13 | zenzelezz | my interest in the Castle TV series ended when I saw the pizza guy was part of the cast |
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| 16:27.28 | Wobin | pizza guy? |
| 16:27.53 | cog|work | (mrs. cog is usually in the middle of 2-3 physical books and 1-2 audiobooks simultaneously) |
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| 16:27.56 | zenzelezz | the guy who was part of "Two guys and a girl" (originally "Two guys, a girl and a pizza place") |
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| 16:29.54 | Wobin | zenzelezz, you mean Nathan Fillion? =P |
| 16:30.04 | zenzelezz | that sounds familiar, yes |
| 16:30.12 | Wobin | ok =P |
| 16:30.24 | Wobin | He's the major drawcard since Firefly |
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| 16:30.47 | Wobin | (and Dr Horrible's Sing Along Blog) |
| 16:31.35 | Jerub | sigh, training dummies used to make me feel great |
| 16:31.43 | Wobin | zenzelezz, did you have a terrible 2gagaapp experience or something, to poison you against him? |
| 16:31.50 | Jerub | 3.5k dps on a heroic boss dummy, is that good or bad? |
| 16:32.02 | Wobin | good? |
| 16:32.10 | zenzelezz | Wobin: nope, I just can't picture the half-stupid janitor personality in "serious" series |
| 16:32.18 | Wobin | oh, it's not really serious |
| 16:32.19 | zenzelezz | same reason I can't see David Schiller in anything, etc. |
| 16:32.34 | zenzelezz | Wobin: more so than the pizza thing ;) |
| 16:32.34 | Wobin | it's humourous crime |
| 16:32.54 | Wobin | zenzelezz, I suggest you give it a go, and try not to typecast =P |
| 16:33.06 | Wobin | cause he -is- a good actor |
| 16:33.38 | Wobin | and really, what's good about the series isn't just him, it's the interactions of the other characters |
| 16:33.52 | zenzelezz | I'm not saying he's not; merely that I have trouble watching him outside the aforementioned series |
| 16:34.22 | Wobin | And I mean, honestly, watching Stana Katic do the russian showgirl act? Priceless =P |
| 16:34.56 | Wobin | zenzelezz, open your mind =P |
| 16:35.16 | Aelo | howdy y'all |
| 16:35.21 | zenzelezz | meh, I'm happy with what I do enjoy |
| 16:36.20 | Wobin | hell, they even had Robert Picardo cameo as a doctor =P |
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| 16:45.12 | theorbtwo | Oh, wow. I never connected Nathan Fillian, Captian Tightpants, with one of the guys from Two Guys, a Girl, and a Pizza Place. |
| 16:45.32 | theorbtwo | (Possibly because I stopped watching two guys... around when they dropped the pizza place from the title. |
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| 16:47.49 | Seerah | foxlit: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20860799745&sid=1 |
| 16:48.36 | foxlit | Seerah: it should show scrolling controls at that point, but I haven't actually tested that recently. |
| 16:49.15 | Seerah | was just showing you the thread in case you hadn't seen it yet or weren't aware of the issue. want me to post that, or you? |
| 16:50.06 | Seerah | nvm - Nyxia told him to put it in your addon comments |
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| 16:51.09 | foxlit | Close enough. |
| 16:51.28 | alestane | Engineer/pally seems to remain a great combination. |
| 16:52.09 | foxlit | Works for me™. |
| 16:53.39 | foxlit | It's interesting that I don't have those buttons in my outdated bindings configuration screenshot, but they do appear for me. |
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| 17:30.14 | Ackis | who's bleeters on twitter? |
| 17:33.25 | Ackis | Fisker: http://raptr.com/Ackis/ |
| 17:34.10 | Ackis | cool another mass shooting in the US |
| 17:34.36 | Cairenn | oh god, you serious? |
| 17:34.56 | Hirsute | Ackis: In addition to the one yesterday at Ft. Hood? |
| 17:34.58 | Ackis | yes :( |
| 17:34.59 | Ackis | Mass shooting at Orlando high-rise; at least eight shot and more victims expected: |
| 17:35.07 | Cairenn | :( |
| 17:35.44 | Hirsute | grr |
| 17:35.52 | Hirsute | People need to stop shooting other people. |
| 17:35.58 | Ackis | I get all my news from twitter now it seems |
| 17:37.52 | Lopeppeppy | Uncool. |
| 17:38.58 | Shirik | Adys: pong |
| 17:39.08 | Shirik | Ackis.... |
| 17:39.14 | Shirik | wtf |
| 17:39.18 | Adys | Shirik: forgot what i asked for |
| 17:39.23 | Shirik | Orlando? |
| 17:39.24 | Adys | or was going to askf or |
| 17:39.26 | Adys | idk |
| 17:40.31 | Shirik | yup I see it :/ |
| 17:40.34 | Fisker | btw yes it does foxlit |
| 17:40.38 | Shirik | on local news |
| 17:40.44 | Fisker | http://www.direct2drive.com/7949/product/Buy-Zeno-Clash-Download <-for example |
| 17:40.47 | Fisker | there were others too |
| 17:41.18 | Fisker | http://www.direct2drive.com/7532/product/Buy-Empire:-Total-War-Download |
| 17:41.21 | Fisker | etc. |
| 17:44.29 | Jamash | rawr |
| 17:44.53 | Jamash | someone haxor the blizzard pet store and give me a pandaren |
| 17:45.12 | Lopeppeppy | Get it yourownself! |
| 17:45.18 | Lopeppeppy | wants one for her nameday! |
| 17:45.21 | Jamash | has no moneys. |
| 17:46.04 | Lopeppeppy | Saves your pennies |
| 17:46.18 | Jamash | does have a giant cardboard crayon full of pennies... |
| 17:46.32 | Jamash | should really cash that in one of these days. |
| 17:47.07 | Lopeppeppy | Coinstar lets you turn those in for Amazon gift certificates now, without taking a %. Very nice. |
| 17:47.11 | Jamash | oooo |
| 17:48.13 | nevcairiel | We can just take them to the bank, they throw them in a counting machine, and all is done .. is that so hard in the US? :P |
| 17:48.13 | jadakren | i'll just scann my coins in then and email it to them |
| 17:48.21 | Shirik | Cairenn: It gets worse :/ |
| 17:48.26 | Shirik | He got away :/ |
| 17:48.33 | Jamash | jadakren: har |
| 17:48.48 | Cairenn | Shirik: >< |
| 17:49.21 | Shirik | I4 is shut down wtf |
| 17:49.45 | Shirik | You can't shut down the only interstate into and out of orlando >< |
| 17:50.27 | Lopeppeppy | What else are they gonna do, Shirik? |
| 17:50.47 | Jamash | SHUT |
| 17:50.49 | Jamash | DOWN |
| 17:50.51 | Jamash | EVERYTHING |
| 17:51.48 | Lopeppeppy | Aren't you still in Atlanta or something, Shirik? |
| 17:51.59 | Shirik | no back in Daytona |
| 17:52.13 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. |
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| 17:52.25 | Lopeppeppy | Happy Floridizing. How was your trip, did you impress anyone new? |
| 17:54.30 | Shirik | DoE |
| 17:54.35 | Shirik | they were interested |
| 17:54.50 | Shirik | wait are you talking about the system or me in particular? |
| 17:54.56 | Shirik | The CIA was interested in me, lol |
| 17:54.57 | kdtresh|work | draenei of exodar? |
| 17:55.09 | Shirik | department of energy |
| 17:59.52 | Shirik | stabs news reporters |
| 18:00.12 | Shirik | 2 dead, 4 serious condition, 4 critical, so a total of 8 people shot |
| 18:00.14 | Shirik | what? |
| 18:02.54 | Lopeppeppy | Be nice, shirik. Numbers are often confused during the heat of things. |
| 18:03.05 | kd3 | it's the MSM. if they're not sensationalizing, they're not doing their job |
| 18:03.09 | Lopeppeppy | They still have inaccurate counts circulating from what happened yesterday in Ft. Hood. |
| 18:03.27 | Lopeppeppy | I'm glad you got some good out of the job fair then. And the monkey suit. |
| 18:03.36 | Lopeppeppy | Do I get a picture of the monkey suit? |
| 18:13.43 | cbreak | death is quite serious |
| 18:18.21 | Shirik | I have YET ANOTHER REASON why git is aweful |
| 18:18.23 | Shirik | awful |
| 18:18.43 | AbsolutRayne | @_@ |
| 18:18.46 | nevcairiel | you think too much about problems, think about solutions |
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| 18:20.55 | Lopeppeppy | Drink more Ovaltine |
| 18:21.28 | Shirik | nevcairiel: I have a solution |
| 18:21.36 | Shirik | Don't assume the user is stupid just because they use Windows |
| 18:21.40 | nevcairiel | then dont think about the problem anymore, its not productive |
| 18:22.00 | Shirik | git installed 500 other applications when I installed it because it goes "oh windows! Must not have ssh!" |
| 18:22.01 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone who has sent out google wave invites ... how do you do it? |
| 18:22.13 | Shirik | As a result, other programs broke because it ALSO added it to my path |
| 18:22.24 | Shirik | and thus it became the primary ssh provider, instead of my SSH agent |
| 18:22.33 | Shirik | it would be fine if it looked in the right place for the .ssh directory |
| 18:22.36 | Shirik | but, of course, it doesn't |
| 18:22.42 | nevcairiel | Shirik: it ships everything it needs to function, obviously. and the sane setup is not adding it to path anyway, and only use the git bash |
| 18:23.04 | Shirik | well then its setup shouldn't add it to path :) |
| 18:23.13 | nevcairiel | the setup asks you what to do |
| 18:23.13 | Shirik | I don't have a problem with it being added to path, really |
| 18:23.19 | nevcairiel | i believe it even warns you about side effects |
| 18:23.22 | Shirik | It /should/ put ssh in a separate folder |
| 18:23.37 | Shirik | and then use ssh by absolute path |
| 18:23.49 | Shirik | what is git bash? |
| 18:23.50 | cbreak | I like git |
| 18:24.09 | cbreak | best SCM I found so far |
| 18:24.14 | cbreak | probably a bash shell? |
| 18:24.14 | nevcairiel | Shirik: the bash prompt that comes with git :P |
| 18:24.24 | Shirik | I don't understand why it needs all this |
| 18:24.25 | Shirik | I mean |
| 18:24.29 | Shirik | sorry, I understand why it /needs/ |
| 18:24.30 | Ackis | What do a dildo and soy beans have in common? They are both used as substitute meat. |
| 18:24.32 | Shirik | but why it comes with it |
| 18:24.36 | nevcairiel | Its a nix tool |
| 18:24.42 | nevcairiel | it uses a fake nix environment to work on windows |
| 18:24.48 | Shirik | which I already have |
| 18:24.48 | cbreak | git comes as source code |
| 18:24.57 | cbreak | I compiled it from there |
| 18:25.02 | amro | Lopeppeppy: you get a wave in your inbox that you can use |
| 18:25.24 | cbreak | maybe your binaries were backed in some all-you-can-eat mega package |
| 18:25.29 | nevcairiel | Shirik: people already having that is probably a very slim exception, so no-one bothered to teach the installer yet |
| 18:25.52 | Shirik | maybe |
| 18:25.58 | nevcairiel | also if you have cygwin, you would install it from their repositories, and not the official installer, so that point is covered too |
| 18:26.19 | Shirik | amro: Someone shared their wave invite with me |
| 18:26.24 | Shirik | so now I can invite using someone else's invites |
| 18:26.32 | amro | that wins |
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| 18:27.02 | Lopeppeppy | I have a friend who just recently got his own invite, he wants to invite me but can't figure out how. :( |
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| 18:27.13 | Lopeppeppy | I wanna wave at Cogwheel and join the cool crowd. |
| 18:27.16 | Shirik | it should be very simple |
| 18:27.24 | Shirik | wait, if HE just got invited, he won't be able to invite |
| 18:27.31 | Shirik | you have to be given a wave from google that says "here, use this to invite!" |
| 18:27.36 | nevcairiel | I still wonder why people make such a big wave about wave :P its not *that* special |
| 18:27.59 | nevcairiel | Hey its invite only, it must be good! |
| 18:28.11 | Shirik | 90% of the people that want it have no reason to use it, they just want it to see it |
| 18:28.21 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: I don't think you automatically have invites |
| 18:28.30 | Shirik | I am one of the fortunate few, I think, that has actually found a practical purpose for it |
| 18:28.39 | Shirik | and it was quite useful :) |
| 18:28.41 | nevcairiel | I can see how it would be useful |
| 18:28.56 | nevcairiel | just that most people that want in would never use it that way |
| 18:29.00 | zenzelezz | Shirik: cybering is much easier in Wave, eh? |
| 18:29.03 | Shirik | totally agree nevcairiel |
| 18:29.06 | Shirik | yes, exactly zenzelezz |
| 18:29.07 | NightHawkTheSane | personally, i'm intruiged at the possibility of using it to run an RPG. |
| 18:29.48 | cbreak | I read it's IRC with a wiki strapped on. |
| 18:30.25 | Shirik | Dolby is advertising himself: http://www.wowinterface.com/find.php (need to be logged out if you're a premium user) |
| 18:30.44 | Lopeppeppy | I think we can make tons of use of it for long distance roleplaying. |
| 18:30.52 | foxlit | Does the product actually make sense? |
| 18:31.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: yeah thats what i was thinking |
| 18:31.10 | foxlit | Unless they found some way to steal wow's relative positioning data, I'm not that interested in hearing people at random angles around me. |
| 18:31.40 | nevcairiel | they probably memory-steal that |
| 18:31.43 | Shirik | valid poinnt foxlit |
| 18:31.46 | Shirik | I'm curious as well |
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| 18:31.51 | nevcairiel | borderline ToS breaking again |
| 18:32.52 | foxlit | [Does it even work with wow?] |
| 18:33.20 | Shirik | nevcairiel: With someone like Dolby they may have actually contacted Blizzard et all |
| 18:33.54 | foxlit | Phrases like "Now you can use Dolby Axon with any game." suggest tha tyou have to setup positions outside of the game. |
| 18:34.06 | NeoTron | heh |
| 18:34.14 | NeoTron | spam from "Gold buyers October special" <Gold@propslubrica.com>" |
| 18:34.32 | NeoTron | my mind went to WoW gold but alas |
| 18:34.34 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: Mumble has that functionality, too |
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| 18:34.42 | Gnarfoz | however, only for games that share their spatial info |
| 18:34.43 | Gnarfoz | :\ |
| 18:34.45 | NeoTron | it's actually about real gold |
| 18:34.55 | Shirik | foxlit wins |
| 18:34.58 | Shirik | that is exactly what it is |
| 18:35.07 | nevcairiel | how useless is that |
| 18:35.19 | nevcairiel | static positions? |
| 18:35.27 | Shirik | I guess so |
| 18:35.41 | Gnarfoz | well |
| 18:35.42 | Gnarfoz | ok |
| 18:35.49 | NightHawkTheSane | so, static positions in surround sound is better than static positions on non-moronic stereo.. how? |
| 18:35.50 | Gnarfoz | Mumble has actual dynamic positions |
| 18:36.01 | Gnarfoz | so totally the opposite of that Axon crap :P |
| 18:36.12 | Gnarfoz | (in regards to usefulness, at least) |
| 18:37.47 | Gnarfoz | http://mumble.sourceforge.net/Games#Positional_audio :O |
| 18:38.00 | Gnarfoz | quite the short list, some big names on it, tho |
| 18:38.42 | Adys | thats kinda cute |
| 18:38.57 | Adys | also they could just replace the list with "all source games lol" |
| 18:39.16 | Gnarfoz | since, clearly, CoD and BF are source based ;) |
| 18:39.29 | Adys | cod isnt? |
| 18:39.53 | Gnarfoz | don't think so? |
| 18:39.57 | nevcairiel | CoD and BF are both not source based o.o |
| 18:40.13 | Adys | hm nm |
| 18:40.24 | nevcairiel | CoD used to use Q3 engine, i dunno if they went for Q4 or something else |
| 18:40.25 | nevcairiel | but not source |
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| 18:42.43 | nevcairiel | I think they used their own gfx engine, but keeping the network, config and console code from the Q3 engine, or something |
| 18:42.48 | nevcairiel | BF is their own, completly |
| 18:43.56 | *** part/#wowuidev jadakren (n=airtonix@118.210.215.134) |
| 18:46.12 | olafski | wolf ET isn't source either ;) |
| 18:46.25 | nevcairiel | ET is Q3 engine |
| 18:46.32 | Ackis | .L["FILTERKNOWNCOUNT_DESC"] = "Include known filtered entries in the count of total entries. This cannot be selected while Include Filtered is on. Selecting this option will include the number of known filtered collectibles in your count of known and unknown collectibles." |
| 18:46.36 | olafski | yeah |
| 18:46.37 | Ackis | does that make sense to anyone? |
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| 18:50.01 | foxlit | No, you lost me at "known filtered" |
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| 18:50.44 | Ackis | Include filtered entries which are known by you in the count of total entries. <-- better? |
| 18:50.49 | kd3 | "count items I'm filtering even if they're not displayed" |
| 18:50.50 | kd3 | ? |
| 18:51.06 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 18:51.11 | Dagmar | Ackis: It's in english. That's as much as I'm sayin'. |
| 18:51.18 | Dagmar | The first two sentences need reducing. |
| 18:51.25 | Adys | "Count every filtered item" |
| 18:51.31 | Ackis | yah I'm not sure how to properly explain this concept |
| 18:51.39 | foxlit | As opposed to counting only some filtered items? |
| 18:51.50 | Adys | butthole sweepstake foxlit |
| 18:52.00 | Dagmar | It looks like they're saying "Include the filtered items" and then "You can't use this if you want to include the filtered items" |
| 18:52.15 | Adys | Ackis: "Include hidden items in the filtered count" |
| 18:52.27 | Ackis | say there are 10 items, you know 7 of them, and then turn a filter on which will filter out 2 of them, 1 of them you know, one of them you don't. I want this to show me as knowing 7/9 instead of 6/8 |
| 18:52.32 | Dagmar | How about "consider hidden items as filtered" |
| 18:52.50 | Ackis | Adys: hidden items are a different beast completely since you can manually hide shit in addition to filtering it out |
| 18:52.59 | Adys | Include learned items |
| 18:53.13 | Dagmar | Ackis: Treat filtered items as nonexistant |
| 18:53.21 | Dagmar | er sample verbiage |
| 18:53.31 | Dagmar | Magic word being "non-existant" |
| 18:54.17 | Dagmar | I'm not saying to do that, just that that's the word to use to refer to a toggle that makes the code pretend those items don't exist (basically) |
| 18:55.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Ackis: "Always Count Known [Items]." - "This will always include known items in your total count, even if it's excluded by a filter." |
| 18:55.21 | foxlit | "Include filtered items in totals." |
| 18:55.34 | Ackis | I like the non-existant verbage |
| 18:55.57 | foxlit | Considering your example is 7/9 instead of 6/8 (the total being affected, it's not only the known count that you're affecting) |
| 18:57.54 | nevcairiel | wonders if the 7 of 9 is just a coincedence |
| 18:58.09 | Lopeppeppy | hates Office 2007 with a passion that rivals a thousand suns. |
| 18:58.14 | Seerah | Star Trek on the brain? ;) |
| 18:58.27 | Seerah | thinks Lopeppeppy needs OpenOffice.org |
| 18:58.43 | Lopeppeppy | I have that, for personal use, Seerah. This is at work. |
| 18:59.03 | Lopeppeppy | I'm finding funnything behavior with PDFs on our website now. Very strange. |
| 18:59.04 | Seerah | I figured as much, but... You still need it ;) |
| 18:59.23 | Dagmar | I can totally see that much hate accumulating in a completely non-science-fiction-oriented environment. |
| 18:59.31 | Dagmar | It is Microsoft Office, after all. |
| 18:59.38 | Lopeppeppy | It's a college, after all. |
| 18:59.46 | olafski | hating microsoft and office is so 1990 |
| 18:59.57 | olafski | it almost makes me feel sorry for people I see still doing it |
| 19:00.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i've moved past hate and on to disdain. |
| 19:00.39 | olafski | same to you then ;) |
| 19:00.43 | Jamash | disdain is a good word |
| 19:00.49 | kd3 | ValidateFramePosition()? |
| 19:00.50 | kd3 | ponders |
| 19:00.51 | olafski | pathetic is also a good word |
| 19:00.53 | Dagmar | I file tickets with desktop support weekly about Office |
| 19:01.19 | olafski | and openoffice is a joke :D |
| 19:01.20 | Jamash | and I'm sure they love you for it |
| 19:01.31 | Jamash | no, Office is a joke |
| 19:01.38 | Jamash | OpenOffice is the punchline |
| 19:01.43 | Seerah | olafski: what do YOU use? |
| 19:01.44 | NightHawkTheSane | doesn't use any office app. |
| 19:01.49 | durcyn | people who voluntarily use microsoft office should have their reproductive organs removed |
| 19:01.54 | durcyn | like, with a chainsaw |
| 19:02.16 | Dagmar | kd3: It makes sure there's no t coordinate involved, and if it is that it's non-negative. |
| 19:02.24 | olafski | seerah: I would think that's obvious |
| 19:02.27 | Dagmar | You don't really want frames appearing in the past. |
| 19:02.28 | olafski | but shall I spell it out for you? |
| 19:02.35 | Jamash | vi? |
| 19:02.35 | Seerah | word pad? ;) |
| 19:02.43 | Lopeppeppy | I only hate what makes my job harder. |
| 19:02.45 | olafski | office and latex :-) |
| 19:03.01 | Seerah | you only touch it with rubber gloves on? |
| 19:03.01 | Jamash | I presume the latex is so you don't get any stds from office? |
| 19:03.15 | olafski | oh god these jokes are hilarious |
| 19:03.20 | olafski | seriously I'm laughing in front of my pc now |
| 19:03.29 | olafski | no wait.. just as unfunny as the joke that is openoffice :) |
| 19:03.43 | kd3 | --If the server tells us we can join, who are we to complain? |
| 19:03.46 | Seerah | way to get a sense of humor :P |
| 19:03.49 | olafski | (and if you really didn't know what latex is I'll have even MORE trouble taking you seriously) |
| 19:03.51 | kd3 | ...sense? in the UI? |
| 19:04.09 | Jamash | you spelled LaTeX wrong |
| 19:04.10 | mikma_ | wait, what?? http://www.tv.com/scrubs/show/3613/episode.html?season=9&tag=ep_guide;paginator;9 |
| 19:04.18 | Seerah | olafski: no, I don't know what latex is. I have never needed to |
| 19:04.33 | Thunder_Child | lies |
| 19:05.17 | olafski | how can you know that if you don't know what it is? |
| 19:05.19 | Dagmar | Jamash: There's a degree to which LaTeX knowledge ensures the opposite sex won't take one seriously. |
| 19:05.38 | olafski | jamash: I capsed it wrong perhaps.. :) |
| 19:05.43 | Jamash | I only know how to spell it |
| 19:06.15 | olafski | oh look he made a "geeks get no tail" joke .. on freenode .. in a channel about wow .. programming .. |
| 19:06.16 | Seerah | olafski: know what? that I haven't needed to know? Because, obviously I didn't feel like there was a gaping hole in my life to fill :p |
| 19:06.36 | olafski | uhuh seerah :) |
| 19:06.45 | olafski | well, anticapitalists go that way now --> |
| 19:06.53 | olafski | bye commies :D |
| 19:06.56 | Seerah | ??? |
| 19:07.16 | Jamash | is an anticapitalist someone who never uses upper case? because in that case I think you're coming with us |
| 19:07.25 | *** join/#wowuidev DWSR (n=doingwha@unaffiliated/dwsr) |
| 19:07.32 | DWSR | Does anyone here have experience with ventrilo servers? |
| 19:07.40 | olafski | some.. |
| 19:07.48 | DWSR | olafski: I'm looking for a way to do rcon. |
| 19:07.51 | DWSR | Possible? |
| 19:08.40 | olafski | uh.. isn't that basic functionality? |
| 19:08.58 | cbreak | LaTeX rocks. I write all my stuff that requires more than plain text with it |
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| 19:09.13 | olafski | you mean a user administrating the server I assume dwsr? |
| 19:09.25 | DWSR | olafski: Exclusively using console. |
| 19:09.29 | olafski | hmm |
| 19:09.41 | DWSR | That's the part that I'm having a hard time figuring out. |
| 19:09.41 | olafski | have never tried that.. I don't think it's possible |
| 19:09.48 | DWSR | Because there are STATUS scripts. |
| 19:09.55 | DWSR | But I want to know if I can, for example, add users from a web script. |
| 19:10.03 | olafski | you could check how those status scripts work |
| 19:10.10 | Arrowmaster | you can use exactly what you are given, nothing else, vent is severely locked down |
| 19:10.47 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Not exactly. The server package comes with a few extra binaries. |
| 19:10.52 | DWSR | And wow. |
| 19:11.01 | DWSR | the ventrilo server installer's fucking borked on 7. |
| 19:11.14 | olafski | cbreak: I don't go that far.. only if it's more than 3 pages ;) |
| 19:11.43 | cbreak | I even made my business card with it. Including automatically generated QR Barcode :) |
| 19:12.13 | olafski | hehe neat |
| 19:12.22 | olafski | I'm finding out more and more ways to use it.. not very good at it just yet |
| 19:12.53 | cbreak | spent way too much time tweaking his master thesis LaTeX template |
| 19:13.08 | olafski | a template.. fancy |
| 19:13.15 | olafski | I use more or less default templates atm |
| 19:13.26 | olafski | also on my master's thesis.. my commands.tex is about 200 lines now though |
| 19:14.04 | NightHawkTheSane | sighs |
| 19:17.34 | DWSR | olafski: it would appear that some limited rcon is available for vent. |
| 19:17.40 | DWSR | But nothing touching user accounts, etc. |
| 19:17.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Arrowmaster` (i=arrow@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ResponsibleForEverythingAndNothing/Arrowmaster) |
| 19:18.05 | olafski | odd |
| 19:18.20 | olafski | seems like desirable functionality |
| 19:18.49 | Arrowmaster` | fucking cable |
| 19:19.09 | DWSR | Indeed. |
| 19:19.12 | Jamash | what's your cable company? |
| 19:19.25 | DWSR | Trying to hook up PHPBB with Ventrilo so that all user accounts created automatically get a vent account attached |
| 19:19.26 | Arrowmaster | roadrunner |
| 19:19.41 | Arrowmaster | thats never going to work |
| 19:19.58 | Dagmar | It's great when people work hard to extend the vulnerabilities of PHPBB to new platforms. |
| 19:20.03 | Jamash | hahaha |
| 19:20.37 | Aelo | is there a way to see the level of the source/destination unit in a combat_log_event? |
| 19:20.47 | Pneumatus | vent's account management stuff is so terribad it's not even worth bothering with :< |
| 19:20.48 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 19:20.51 | Pneumatus | *user management |
| 19:21.05 | Dagmar | I look at it this way... |
| 19:21.20 | Dagmar | There's a REASON there's no single-sign-on solution for all these PHPBB modules |
| 19:21.30 | DWSR | I look at it this way. |
| 19:21.36 | DWSR | People are never going to make their own fucking vent acconut. |
| 19:21.42 | DWSR | SO I need to do it for them |
| 19:22.09 | Dagmar | We just change the server password when there's a problem |
| 19:22.19 | Pneumatus | can a normal user even make their own vent login without admin help? |
| 19:22.26 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 19:22.31 | Pneumatus | i know on TS they can if you allow guests the registration flag |
| 19:22.41 | olafski | aelo: UnitLevel(unit) ? |
| 19:23.15 | Aelo | would only work if the unit was still targetted upon death |
| 19:23.16 | Pneumatus | last i looked at vent user management it was such a mess it was easier just to tell officers the vent admin pass and leave it at that |
| 19:24.08 | Pneumatus | i've got my fingers crossed that TS3 will finally be comparable to vent though so we can ditch it |
| 19:24.18 | DWSR | No way to slip changes to ventrilo.usr to the server, eh? |
| 19:24.20 | Arrowmaster | use mumble |
| 19:24.28 | DWSR | ?? |
| 19:24.51 | olafski | is the config file in a readable format perhaps? |
| 19:25.24 | Pneumatus | there's probably a way to do it, but it wouldnt surprise me if you have to reboot vent to make it relink the file or something retarded |
| 19:26.10 | DWSR | olafski: Need to check, second. |
| 19:27.03 | *** join/#wowuidev fl1st4r (n=bush@bas4-montreal19-1242358026.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 19:27.56 | fl1st4r | Hello, it's possible to launch application from wow command line ? line /run iexplorer.exe ?! |
| 19:27.59 | olafski | I change my ftp server's config using a php script and then calling reload-config on it |
| 19:28.05 | Jamash | fl1st4r: no |
| 19:28.09 | olafski | I _very_ much doubt it :P |
| 19:28.10 | Dagmar | filst4r: No way, no how |
| 19:28.53 | fl1st4r | ok :( can i use weblink to launch IE ? |
| 19:29.02 | Jamash | nope |
| 19:29.09 | fl1st4r | damn |
| 19:29.11 | fl1st4r | ok thx |
| 19:29.27 | Jamash | the most you can do is display a text string the user can copy and then paste into a browser |
| 19:30.36 | fl1st4r | ok, bc i want to use macro to lunch my teamspeak irc.freenode.net |
| 19:30.43 | fl1st4r | teamspeak* |
| 19:30.57 | Arrowmaster | you cant |
| 19:30.59 | Hirsute-Away | Not possible under current restrictions, and unlikely ever to change. |
| 19:31.13 | Arrowmaster | not unlikely, flat out NEVER will happen |
| 19:31.56 | Hirsute-Away | Arrowmaster: I said that about cross-faction chat, but it seems they're allowing that come battle.net integration. I've stopped saying "NEVER" with respect to Blizz, because they've too-frequently changed on things I thought would never change. |
| 19:32.25 | Arrowmaster | except that cross faction chat will be different |
| 19:32.32 | DWSR | Ok |
| 19:32.37 | Arrowmaster | youll need to probably know the persons bnet account name |
| 19:32.43 | DWSR | olafski: ventrilo.usr is human readable? |
| 19:33.01 | Hirsute-Away | Probably, but it's still something I never thought would happen. |
| 19:33.07 | olafski | dwsr: I dunno, I was asking you :) don't have a ventrilo server installed anymore |
| 19:33.14 | DWSR | http://pastey.net/127713 |
| 19:33.25 | olafski | we need to know eachother's battle.net account names now? |
| 19:33.40 | olafski | it seems like a security risk.. though it was the same in diablo2 anyway |
| 19:33.42 | Hirsute-Away | Like I said, I've just proven to be a poor judge of what Blizz will "never" do, so I've stopped trying to state anything definitively. |
| 19:33.53 | Jamash | depends on how battle.net integration works out with xrealm chat and such |
| 19:34.32 | Hirsute-Away | olafski: You'll likely need to know each other's battle.net account names to do cross-faction chat. If you're giving that out to people you don't know and trust, I'd say the security risk is BKAC |
| 19:34.39 | Ackis | thinks those pets you buy should be for your entire battle.net account, not just one account /sadface |
| 19:34.53 | Hirsute-Away | agrees |
| 19:34.58 | Jamash | the pet store is an abomination before man and god |
| 19:35.12 | olafski | hirsute-away: hm. well be that as it may, that might result in not many people making it onto eachother's friend list |
| 19:35.18 | NightHawkTheSane | i dunno, i bet god is pretty ambivalent |
| 19:35.20 | olafski | f.i. I'm not sure I'd trust everyone in my guild with my login |
| 19:35.29 | Jamash | I asked, she's not cool with it |
| 19:35.49 | Hirsute-Away | olafski: I don't think you'll need to know battle.net accounts just to add someone of the same faction to your friend's list, just people of *other* factions and *other* servers. |
| 19:36.01 | NightHawkTheSane | fair enough, i never believed she existed anyway, so i guess it doesn't matter :P |
| 19:36.20 | olafski | hirsute-away: you seem to sort of miss the point, or I'm not making it clear enough |
| 19:36.32 | olafski | hirsute-away: what I mean was that I wouldn't even trust some of the people I play with every day with it |
| 19:36.39 | olafski | so other people.. not sure :P |
| 19:36.43 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not sure why you consider your email address remotely secure anyway. |
| 19:36.56 | olafski | true enough |
| 19:36.59 | Arrowmaster | im guessing the wow character friends list and the battlenet friends list will be seperate |
| 19:37.05 | Hirsute-Away | I trust everyone that I'd really want to cross-faction chat with enough to let them know my battle.net account name. |
| 19:37.37 | Jamash | all the people who I'd really want to chat with already know my email |
| 19:37.47 | NightHawkTheSane | i trust lots of people with my bnet account name. it's my email address, so its pretty much how a LOT of people contact me |
| 19:37.55 | Hirsute-Away | Heh. |
| 19:38.21 | Hirsute-Away | I actually have a separate email for my battle.net account. I don't know that anyone other than me, blizzard, and google is aware of it at the moment. |
| 19:38.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm sure some spammer somewhere is :P |
| 19:38.49 | Jamash | hirsute.wow@gmail.com? |
| 19:38.54 | Hirsute-Away | But that's mostly because I'm a little neurotic about things like that. |
| 19:38.56 | Hirsute-Away | Jamash: Nope |
| 19:39.02 | Jamash | okay :P |
| 19:39.09 | NightHawkTheSane | still, one's login should never be considered secure info. |
| 19:39.21 | Hirsute-Away | it's Hirsute.Warcraft@gmail.com, dur. |
| 19:39.25 | Hirsute-Away | oh, crud |
| 19:39.27 | Jamash | lawls |
| 19:40.00 | Hirsute-Away | Anyhow, off to take a test. |
| 19:40.00 | Hirsute-Away | waves |
| 19:40.44 | Jamash | so there's GetActionInfo, but there's no SetActionInfo |
| 19:41.06 | foxlit | Why would there? |
| 19:41.17 | Jamash | ah, why indeed |
| 19:41.31 | Jamash | because I want it? |
| 19:41.38 | foxlit | SetAction? |
| 19:41.49 | foxlit | Which doesn't exist. |
| 19:41.54 | Jamash | ya |
| 19:42.18 | foxlit | It's very likely PickupAction |
| 19:42.43 | Jamash | I found out that if you put a tradeskill recipe item on an action button, then click to learn it, the button automagically transforms to the spell for that tradeskill item |
| 19:43.05 | Jamash | now I'm trying to figure out if it's possible to do that for arbitrary tradeskill recipes |
| 19:43.31 | Shadowed| | PlaceAction is what you are thinking of probably Jamash |
| 19:43.58 | Jamash | right, but that only works once you've got the action on your cursor |
| 19:44.43 | Shadowed| | What are you trying to do? :p |
| 19:45.18 | Jamash | put tradeskill "spells" onto action ids |
| 19:46.00 | Shadowed| | When you dump GetActionInfo with a tradeskill spell, it specifically is spell, #, spell? |
| 19:46.13 | Jamash | spell, 0, spell, globalID |
| 19:46.47 | Shadowed| | If it's an item, PickupItem, if it's in the spell book PickupSpell |
| 19:46.54 | Jamash | it's not either :P |
| 19:46.59 | Shadowed| | It has to be one of those :p |
| 19:47.07 | Shadowed| | even if they identifier fails |
| 19:47.18 | Shadowed| | they = the |
| 19:47.41 | Shadowed| | Companions were broken until 3.1, or maybe it was 3.2 and returned nothing, but you still used PickupCompanion |
| 19:47.54 | Jamash | hmmmmm |
| 19:50.02 | foxlit | hurray. |
| 19:50.13 | foxlit | real0m8.280s |
| 19:52.38 | foxlit | A far cry from real0m1.012s, but at least it's not 10 minutes. |
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| 19:55.21 | Jamash | the problem is that they have globalIDs but not spellBookIDs |
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| 19:58.22 | foxlit | Actions suck. |
| 20:00.23 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
| 20:00.25 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/181590/verizon_droid_tethering_will_cost_you.html |
| 20:01.09 | NightHawkTheSane | yay, $30 for an 'unlimited' 5gb data plan, and another $30 for another 'unlimited' 5gb & tethering. |
| 20:01.24 | NightHawkTheSane | i'll stick with my actually unlimited plan, modded g1, and free tethering. |
| 20:03.32 | Dagmar | I will simply not be buying any cell phone that requires a certain plan or provider. |
| 20:03.33 | Dagmar | Ever again. |
| 20:04.02 | Dagmar | So, far as I care, until you can buy them unbranded, fuck Android. |
| 20:04.24 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, ping |
| 20:05.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: er, even if it's branded, a lot of cell phones can be unlocked and work with whoever, wherever. |
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| 20:06.22 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: I'm fully aware of this, however, I've had more than enough bullsh*t from cell phone companies to last me forever. |
| 20:06.45 | Dagmar | The entire industry is neck-deep in anti-competitive behaviour now. |
| 20:06.52 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, i agree. |
| 20:06.59 | Dagmar | This is not a market consumers can consider safe, or should even be in if they can at all help it. |
| 20:07.16 | NightHawkTheSane | it's not a "market" |
| 20:07.30 | NightHawkTheSane | in a market, you ostensibly have actual choice |
| 20:07.40 | Dagmar | I have an unbranded Palm 800w, which is a piece of crap because of Windows Mobile, but it's one of the _few_ cell phones you can get that actually have a wifi option |
| 20:08.13 | Dagmar | If Sprint fully recognized that I had this phone, they'd be demanding I pay them twice as much money for no other reason than I have a fancy phone. |
| 20:08.22 | Dagmar | That's against both the spirit and the letter of FCC mandates. |
| 20:08.46 | Shishire | Does anyone know of a Observer-Model Combat Log Parser (a library) or something similar? If not, I'm thinking of writing one. |
| 20:08.48 | Dagmar | I'm seeing pretty much the same thing going on with all "smart phones" now. |
| 20:09.01 | Dagmar | No one's even offering an unbranded option because the cell providers are refusing to carry phones that do |
| 20:10.12 | Dagmar | ...and literally all of them are requiring you get a data plan if you get a fancy phone, even if it can perform all of it's networking tasks over 802.11 |
| 20:10.34 | Dagmar | They whine and complain that they shouldn't be restricted from offering 'unlimited' plans that aren't really unmlimited because of the "unreasonableness" of that |
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| 20:10.49 | Dagmar | ...when the cell phone providers are CREATING that problem with this anti wifi policy. |
| 20:12.00 | NightHawkTheSane | thats more or less because the government is too weak willed to bitchslap cell providers into behaving like they serve customers and not their own greedy monopolistic interests. |
| 20:12.01 | Ackis | can you use more than 5 gigs of data on a cell phone a month? :P |
| 20:12.06 | NightHawkTheSane | aka: welcome to america. |
| 20:12.32 | Dagmar | I'm giving the FCC more time to establish a really brutal case and then move on it |
| 20:12.40 | NightHawkTheSane | not going to happen |
| 20:12.58 | Dagmar | Apple repeatedly blocking iTunes synching to the Palm Pre is definitely anti-competitive behaviour for one example |
| 20:13.08 | cbreak | hmm? |
| 20:13.19 | cbreak | palm pre never supported syncing |
| 20:13.35 | durcyn | um, yes it did. what rock have you been living under? it emulates an ipod. |
| 20:13.44 | NightHawkTheSane | also, *sigh* its apparently my fault for not reading my fucking coworkers mind and creating a controller with the same file name as a library he created, even though i created the file some three weeks prior. |
| 20:13.46 | Dagmar | They're going to need to be able to demonstrate that anti-competitve and anti-consumer practices have become widespread before they'll be able to argue congress into letting them start stomping on faces. |
| 20:13.50 | cbreak | I've never found any software on palm's homepage for syncing |
| 20:13.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: no, thats not, really |
| 20:13.53 | kdtresh|work | pre actually uses apple's hardware id |
| 20:14.04 | durcyn | cbreak: there's no additional software for it, pay attention |
| 20:14.05 | NightHawkTheSane | palm is breaking all kinds of standards to make that syncing work. |
| 20:14.07 | Dagmar | durcyn: Keep up. It's been blocked again. This time with an update to iTunes |
| 20:14.11 | cbreak | Apple can do with their ID what ever they want |
| 20:14.15 | durcyn | Dagmar: yes, i'm aware |
| 20:14.29 | cbreak | and they can do with their software what ever they want |
| 20:14.31 | cbreak | it's their software |
| 20:14.34 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: No, Palm broke *one* standard to make it work, and they did it once after being locked out twice for no reason. |
| 20:14.52 | Dagmar | cbreak: They can't do things which are anti-competitive tho |
| 20:15.08 | Dagmar | They could have synching fail and ignore it, but they didn't |
| 20:15.18 | cbreak | so IE not supporting my web page is anti-competitive? |
| 20:15.28 | Dagmar | They chose to explicitly block synchronizing files to a device that competes with theirs |
| 20:15.49 | cbreak | they chose to block syncing of their own software with devices it was not made for |
| 20:15.54 | Arrowmaster | everybody else is fairly open about mobile device syncing |
| 20:15.56 | Dagmar | ..although clearly iTunes has no major issues with synching to other devices |
| 20:16.02 | Jamash | no, but IE intentionally blocking getfirefox.com would be |
| 20:16.08 | cbreak | if you'd write a driver, you'd also check if the hardware you would speak with really is something you know |
| 20:16.23 | cbreak | Jamash: iTunes doesn't prevent the pre from syncing |
| 20:16.29 | Dagmar | cbreak: They weren't doing that until the last itunes update |
| 20:16.30 | cbreak | it just prevents the pre from syncing WITH iTunes |
| 20:16.53 | NightHawkTheSane | no one's stopping palm from writing their own software to sync with itunes. |
| 20:16.54 | cbreak | you can use Palm's software, should they provide any |
| 20:16.54 | Dagmar | cbreak: Now iTunes explicitly refuses to sync anything to the Pre |
| 20:17.11 | NightHawkTheSane | i believe blackberry does something like that |
| 20:17.19 | NightHawkTheSane | and doubletwist may work as well |
| 20:17.23 | cbreak | Dagmar: it syncs to all iPodds |
| 20:17.31 | cbreak | that's all it is made for until you install a sync plugin |
| 20:17.36 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Yes, it's clearly in the consumer's best interests to need a separate piece of software to do each task with every possible permutation of hardware |
| 20:17.46 | Dagmar | Because interoperability is bullshit and will eventually extinguish the sun. |
| 20:17.50 | NightHawkTheSane | but its hardly anti-competive for apple to say "itunes only syncs with the hardware we want it to" |
| 20:18.10 | Dagmar | What? No, that's _exactly_ anti-competitive. |
| 20:18.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: i'm not saying i agree with apple's closedness, but decrying it as anti-competetive is going a bit far |
| 20:18.18 | cbreak | why? |
| 20:18.30 | Dagmar | ...and it's anti-competitive because it worked _before_ without any modification or skullduggery. |
| 20:18.39 | cbreak | all they do is to not support syncing of their software with anything but their hardware |
| 20:18.48 | NightHawkTheSane | it worked befeore, because palm was doing things they shouldn't have |
| 20:18.51 | Dagmar | They went out of their way to break what was previously a non-discriminatory piece of code |
| 20:18.59 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Which would be what |
| 20:19.16 | cbreak | palm is a bunch of contract violating lazies |
| 20:19.19 | NightHawkTheSane | the pre was (maybe still is?) pretending to be an ipod. |
| 20:19.23 | cbreak | who pirated apple's ID |
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| 20:19.30 | cbreak | and now they whine about it |
| 20:19.31 | Jamash | lol@pirated |
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| 20:19.49 | Jamash | that's an absurd characterization |
| 20:19.57 | cbreak | Jamash: copyright infriged then... |
| 20:20.04 | Jamash | nope |
| 20:20.06 | kdtresh|work | masqueraded? |
| 20:20.10 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: That was done in round three of this tet-a-tete |
| 20:20.19 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: You have been getting misinformation from somewhere |
| 20:20.20 | NightHawkTheSane | itunes has no public API to support 3rd party hardware syncing, so really ANY device that claims to sync from within itunes is doing something that apple hasn't sanctioned. |
| 20:20.50 | cbreak | there were some sync plugins for iTunes I thought |
| 20:20.58 | cbreak | I saw some years ago inside the bundle |
| 20:20.58 | Jamash | and who is apple to decide what other people can and can't do? |
| 20:21.05 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not aware of any.. |
| 20:21.06 | cbreak | it's their software |
| 20:21.13 | cbreak | who else would decide? |
| 20:21.30 | kdtresh|work | i can't come to you and demand that your program work with my stuff |
| 20:21.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: er, the hardware ID was a couple rounds in, but even before then it was basically telling itunes it was an ipod. |
| 20:21.38 | Dagmar | Just read their damn licence agreement |
| 20:22.23 | cbreak | I don't think palm licensed iTunes |
| 20:22.34 | NightHawkTheSane | its like people whining because apple fixes the bugs in iphone OS that allow jailbreaking |
| 20:23.08 | cbreak | it's like people whining that Firefox fixes some bugs that were used in IE Compatible web pages, which now look broken |
| 20:23.24 | Jamash | or people whining that windows 3 throws up an error message on non-MS-DOS? |
| 20:23.29 | Dagmar | cbreak: Why would they need to licence something they're not running |
| 20:23.49 | cbreak | you mentioned the agreement |
| 20:25.01 | Shirik | Thunder_Child, pong |
| 20:25.42 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s157/mgblog/funny-pictures-kitten-watches-over-.jpg |
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| 20:26.46 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, the new fraps 3.0 can record from your mic as well now |
| 20:26.59 | Shirik | while recording game sounds? |
| 20:27.04 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 20:27.06 | Shirik | nice |
| 20:27.18 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis: Awww. May keep me from killing my furkin tonight. |
| 20:27.26 | Shirik | but do I have a license for fraps 3? |
| 20:27.31 | Shirik | or do I have to buy a new one |
| 20:27.33 | NightHawkTheSane | most obnoxious thing ever: idiotically loud error beeps 3 feet to my left. >< |
| 20:27.47 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, if you have the old one the new is free |
| 20:27.58 | Thunder_Child | # |
| 20:27.58 | Thunder_Child | Ability to mix both game sound and external input such as microphone (Vista/Win7 only) |
| 20:28.01 | Shirik | so it's not one of those things where "you have a license to all 2.x releases" |
| 20:28.14 | Thunder_Child | no, afaik, it's everything forever |
| 20:28.21 | Kaso | is the damage on twins actually resistable with fire/shadow? |
| 20:28.58 | Shirik | oh yeah, I got an email from them, lol |
| 20:29.05 | Shirik | As a registered user of the |
| 20:29.05 | Shirik | software you are entitled to free updates to the program. |
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| 20:32.58 | Shirik | <3 Thunder_Child |
| 20:33.56 | Thunder_Child | ^_^ |
| 20:35.08 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:35.24 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsaiZWP7loY |
| 20:35.25 | Shirik | this is going to makem y guild very happy |
| 20:35.32 | Shirik | for some reason they've gotten annoyed at the fact that I log into vent twice |
| 20:35.32 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:37.07 | Shirik | woah |
| 20:37.13 | Shirik | Fraps 3.0 can also record the aero desktop |
| 20:37.14 | NightHawkTheSane | .... |
| 20:37.22 | NightHawkTheSane | wants to murder his coworker in the FACE |
| 20:37.33 | Shirik | Hey lookie I'm typing in IRC on FRAPS! |
| 20:37.43 | cbreak | NightHawkTheSane: poison is less suspicious |
| 20:37.45 | NightHawkTheSane | you're amazing shirik. |
| 20:37.51 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, fail more |
| 20:37.53 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: but less violent. |
| 20:37.54 | Shirik | shh |
| 20:37.57 | Shirik | trying to record movie |
| 20:38.06 | NightHawkTheSane | LOUD NOISES! |
| 20:38.12 | Thunder_Child | oh, are we to loud for you? |
| 20:38.19 | NightHawkTheSane | too* |
| 20:38.33 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: But more satisfying |
| 20:38.45 | Shirik | poison generally has some degree of pain and suffering |
| 20:39.04 | NightHawkTheSane | i can do pain and suffering with murdering-in-the-face |
| 20:39.05 | Thunder_Child | i can see your iritated by that NightHawkTheSane |
| 20:39.16 | Shirik | well NightHawkTheSane, you may want to use a spoon then |
| 20:39.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: i am in a murdering-in-the-face mood, right now... careful. ;) |
| 20:39.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: i dont have a spoon :( I was thinking of a pen, or perhaps my water bottle. |
| 20:39.56 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, if you cant do it over the net you fail |
| 20:40.02 | cbreak | NightHawkTheSane: try to murder-me-in-the-face if you dare! (I am Bill Gates) |
| 20:40.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: ... :( my face-murdering-over-ip software is still in the design stage |
| 20:40.54 | Thunder_Child | well then NightHawkTheSane, i suggest you finish before you get all uppity |
| 20:41.19 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft. i was born uppity. |
| 20:45.18 | Twisol | Anyone happen to know where the code to create a tooltip from a quest link might be found? |
| 20:47.15 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, but not as uppity as stewie |
| 20:48.50 | Twisol | or if nobody knows what, perhaps at least a good direction for where to look? |
| 20:49.01 | Twisol | I want to edit the tooltip slightly after it's been formed |
| 20:49.10 | Twisol | *that |
| 20:49.25 | Thunder_Child | if there is already an addon that does it you could take a gander at it |
| 20:49.45 | Twisol | been looking already, though I'm somewhat stumbling in the dark still |
| 20:50.22 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd start with framexml. ;) |
| 20:50.31 | Twisol | that's what I'm looking in XD |
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| 20:51.00 | Arrowmaster | you just call tooltip:SetHyperlink("questlink") |
| 20:51.02 | Twisol | I found ItemRefTooltip, but that's just the tooltip itself, not where the content is added |
| 20:51.17 | jnwhiteh | What Arrowmaster said. |
| 20:51.37 | Twisol | I don't want to create a new link, either. I just want to hack a linked tooltip after it's been created already |
| 20:52.03 | Twisol | what does that do exactly? |
| 20:52.10 | Arrowmaster | then you have edit the font strings directly |
| 20:52.23 | Twisol | right, and I can do that |
| 20:52.26 | jnwhiteh | it sets the contents of the tooltip |
| 20:52.41 | Twisol | hmm, all of the contents? |
| 20:52.56 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 20:53.09 | Twisol | no way to just modify the title of the tooltip on its own? |
| 20:53.19 | jnwhiteh | set the font string directly |
| 20:53.29 | Arrowmaster | you have to edit the font strings after the content has been added to the tooltip |
| 20:53.37 | Twisol | mmk, I figured that already |
| 20:53.46 | Aelo | whats the tooltip called that handles open-able links? i tried GameTooltip but that seems to just be the bottom-right corner one |
| 20:53.55 | Twisol | ItemRefTooltip. |
| 20:53.58 | Aelo | ty |
| 20:54.00 | Twisol | welcome. |
| 20:54.20 | Twisol | I'm just trying to figure out what function actually creates the tooltips, so I can hook it and modify the header right as it's made |
| 20:54.40 | Arrowmaster | you cant |
| 20:54.46 | Twisol | I can't? |
| 20:54.50 | Fisker | old Shirik|AFK |
| 20:54.55 | Arrowmaster | tooltip:SetHyperlink("questlink") does that |
| 20:55.00 | Fisker | Shirik|AFK |
| 20:55.03 | Fisker | i have to tell you this is very old |
| 20:55.05 | Fisker | pleeeeeeease |
| 20:55.10 | Arrowmaster | its done in C code |
| 20:55.11 | Arrowmaster | not lua |
| 20:55.29 | Twisol | hmm |
| 20:56.03 | Twisol | I think maybe I'll look at the ChatFrame FrameXML and try to follow the flow. |
| 20:56.10 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 20:56.12 | Shirik | fuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 20:56.19 | jnwhiteh | Twisol: there's nothing to look at |
| 20:56.24 | jnwhiteh | that function creates the tooltip sna dfills the contents. |
| 20:56.32 | Arrowmaster | Twisol: flow of what? i just told you its done in C |
| 20:57.42 | Arrowmaster | hook tooltip OnTooltipSetQuest handler and modify the first fontstring from there |
| 20:58.01 | Twisol | there we go... thanks. |
| 20:58.16 | Twisol | I was just going to follow the logic from the ChatFrame. Find out what it does when a link is clicked. |
| 20:58.27 | jnwhiteh | it calls.. SetHyperlink |
| 20:58.36 | Arrowmaster | it calls ItemRefTooltip:SetHyperlink() |
| 20:58.37 | jnwhiteh | that's all, that's why we told you that =) |
| 20:58.47 | Arrowmaster | which is a C function |
| 20:58.54 | Arrowmaster | that you cannot modify |
| 20:59.00 | Twisol | I don't want to modify it ;) |
| 20:59.37 | Twisol | well, thanks for the help. |
| 20:59.43 | Twisol | I'll look at the two you mentioned |
| 20:59.51 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 20:59.59 | Fisker | it's so old it's incomprehensible |
| 21:00.08 | Fisker | DWM support has been there since Vista was released |
| 21:00.16 | Shirik | nofu |
| 21:00.30 | Fisker | It was removed after a few patches |
| 21:01.11 | Fisker | or Microsoft changed something so it didn't work |
| 21:01.12 | Fisker | idk |
| 21:03.10 | Shirik | see |
| 21:03.13 | Shirik | YOU DON'T KNOW |
| 21:03.17 | Shirik | stop lying to me |
| 21:03.45 | Twisol | by the way |
| 21:04.24 | Twisol | the reason that I'm a bit leery of hooking SetHyperlink itself is because I'm hoping for an easy way to only act on the tooltip if it's specifically a quest |
| 21:04.25 | Fisker | i'm not lying to you Shirik |
| 21:04.28 | Fisker | you just had to l2p |
| 21:04.36 | Twisol | the OnTooltipSetQuest one should work nicely though, going to look into it |
| 21:04.36 | Shirik | You need to l2q |
| 21:04.38 | Twisol | thanks a lot |
| 21:04.39 | Shirik | q |
| 21:05.47 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 21:06.16 | Shirik | gahhhhhhhhhhh, my company has brainwashed me |
| 21:06.30 | Shirik | I hear from the news "You know, in situations like this..." |
| 21:06.30 | Fisker | old |
| 21:06.39 | cog|work | google needs a way to permanently exclude a particular site from your search results |
| 21:06.39 | Shirik | and my brain quickly picks up the "insitu" in that |
| 21:06.48 | cog|work | ~lart experts-exchange |
| 21:06.48 | purl | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up experts-exchange |
| 21:06.58 | Arrowmaster | cog|work: you can i think by creating a custom search |
| 21:07.00 | Shirik | experts exchange used to be great |
| 21:07.00 | Legorol | it used to be a good site :( |
| 21:07.04 | Fisker | expert sex change ftw |
| 21:07.06 | Shirik | I was one of the top guys on there :) |
| 21:07.08 | Legorol | idd Shiibot |
| 21:07.10 | Legorol | *shirik |
| 21:07.17 | Shirik | and then it went to hell |
| 21:07.21 | Legorol | ^ |
| 21:07.24 | Arrowmaster | cog|work: like what people normally use for putting on their sites as a site only search |
| 21:07.48 | Shirik | can you even get answers from experts exchange for free still? |
| 21:07.55 | Shirik | I apparently still have my account so I can see the answers |
| 21:07.59 | Shirik | but I'm wondering if others can |
| 21:08.13 | Aelo | i think you can get 1 at the very bottom of the page |
| 21:08.39 | Fisker | unless they fixed it you just scroll to the bottom |
| 21:08.42 | Shirik | just 1? |
| 21:08.43 | Fisker | or watch the google cache |
| 21:08.48 | Fisker | still all here |
| 21:08.48 | Shirik | that's kinda BS |
| 21:09.02 | Shirik | I can log in and see everything; probably some kind of grandfathering thing |
| 21:09.06 | Aelo | no idea, just remember seeing 1 answer, then the 2 admin "lolcase closed" last time i used it |
| 21:09.41 | jnwhiteh | so is Ony 10/25 fun? |
| 21:09.44 | jnwhiteh | or no? |
| 21:09.58 | Shirik | it's ok |
| 21:10.01 | Dagmar | I got sick of the lack of redress for stupid users |
| 21:10.02 | Vlakarados | not like it was |
| 21:10.08 | Shirik | I think it would be fun if I hadn't done ony before |
| 21:10.11 | Shirik | like back in the day |
| 21:10.35 | Dagmar | LIke the people demanding that there was some way to have a host connected to more than one IPv4 network at the same time and use them both effectively without anything like RIP or BGP |
| 21:10.43 | Vlakarados | deep breath doesn't even kill casters :( |
| 21:11.08 | cbreak | we have fire ward |
| 21:11.17 | Shirik | Dagmar: Pushback doesn't get you points++ |
| 21:11.30 | durcyn | mages aren't people |
| 21:11.32 | Dagmar | Shirik: Therein lies the problem |
| 21:11.49 | Dagmar | Questions with no answer wound up assigning points to literally whoever would just make something up |
| 21:12.14 | Shirik | again, back in the day, it was a good site |
| 21:12.25 | Shirik | admins knew the technologies, people had good responses, etc. |
| 21:12.26 | Dagmar | That's not the work of "experts". That's the work of syocphants (siw) |
| 21:12.38 | Twisol | with OnTooltipSetQuest, is there any way to tell what quest is being linked? |
| 21:13.01 | jnwhiteh | !api GetQuest |
| 21:13.19 | jnwhiteh | hrm, no luabot. |
| 21:13.25 | Twisol | Odd. |
| 21:13.30 | Twisol | will check online for that. |
| 21:13.38 | jnwhiteh | its not there |
| 21:13.42 | jnwhiteh | i think its passed as an arg tho |
| 21:14.00 | Twisol | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts/OnTooltipSetQuest |
| 21:14.04 | Twisol | it just shows 'self' |
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| 21:14.15 | jnwhiteh | i'd check to verify, but yeah |
| 21:14.34 | Twisol | and the tooltip itself doesn't seem to be helpful for that, at first glance |
| 21:14.42 | Twisol | hnn |
| 21:14.43 | Twisol | *mm |
| 21:14.48 | jnwhiteh | well you can hook sethyperlink |
| 21:14.55 | jnwhiteh | and then you know what the last link sent in was |
| 21:15.01 | jnwhiteh | eif nothing else. |
| 21:15.27 | Twisol | True... and I'd be able to get the link type from the link. |
| 21:15.41 | jnwhiteh | you dont need the link type |
| 21:15.44 | jnwhiteh | but yes. |
| 21:15.45 | Twisol | no? |
| 21:15.48 | jnwhiteh | hook sethyperlnik |
| 21:15.53 | jnwhiteh | AND OnTooltipSetQuest |
| 21:15.59 | jnwhiteh | you need to do that anyway |
| 21:16.11 | Arrowmaster | theres a SetQuest() |
| 21:16.11 | Twisol | Ah... so use the latter to set a flag for the former? |
| 21:16.26 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 21:16.30 | jnwhiteh | use the former to store what quest was set |
| 21:16.31 | Twisol | ? |
| 21:16.34 | jnwhiteh | and then the latter to do your code. |
| 21:16.38 | Twisol | ah |
| 21:16.47 | Aelo | if OnTooltipSetQuest just fired, that last link set HAS to be a quest :p |
| 21:17.14 | Aelo | im trying to do something similiar with achievements :, |
| 21:17.17 | Aelo | * :< |
| 21:17.28 | Twisol | heheh |
| 21:17.35 | Twisol | I'm just trying to stick the quest level on to the tooltip. |
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| 21:22.26 | Shirik | pastPosition->traffic[j].uspeed=(unsigned int)((((1/curCounter)*(localAvgSpeed))+(((curCounter-1)/curCounter)*oldAvgSpeed))); |
| 21:22.31 | Shirik | I thought I was looking at lisp for a second |
| 21:22.36 | Twisol | O_o |
| 21:22.51 | Arrowmaster | theres also a tooltip:SetQuest() so the last call to tooltip:SetHyperlink() doesnt have to be a quest when OnTooltipSetQuest fires |
| 21:24.18 | Twisol | Where do you see SetQuest? |
| 21:24.55 | Twisol | this prints nil for me: /script print(ItemRefTooltip.SetQuest) |
| 21:26.00 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: there is no setquest |
| 21:26.05 | jnwhiteh | its only sethyperlink |
| 21:26.31 | Arrowmaster | hmm |
| 21:26.41 | Arrowmaster | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/scripts/OnTooltipSetQuest says there is |
| 21:26.42 | Twisol | Do I need to parse through the hyperlink myself, or is there a WoW function to do it for me? |
| 21:26.46 | Arrowmaster | but the link is broken |
| 21:26.53 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: the docs lie then |
| 21:27.02 | jnwhiteh | I'll yell at Gazmik |
| 21:27.31 | Arrowmaster | Twisol: string.match(link, "quest:(%d+)") |
| 21:27.34 | Arrowmaster | should do it |
| 21:27.38 | Twisol | Doh, right. |
| 21:27.43 | Twisol | well |
| 21:27.48 | Twisol | quest:(%d+):(%d+) |
| 21:27.51 | Arrowmaster | just a guess i dont know if the link really is quest |
| 21:27.52 | Twisol | for the level, too |
| 21:27.56 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 21:28.11 | Twisol | ...I don't know why, but I had major deja vu there. *scratch* |
| 21:29.32 | jnwhiteh | IRC deja vu is fun =) |
| 21:29.36 | Twisol | *laughs* |
| 21:29.57 | Twisol | I swear, I must have been here once a long while ago, and seen (if not asked) something that had a regex just like that. |
| 21:30.02 | Twisol | It's freaky. |
| 21:30.09 | Shirik | ~logs |
| 21:30.09 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 21:30.12 | Shirik | glhf |
| 21:30.18 | Twisol | Would have been years ago, Shirik, no thanks. |
| 21:30.23 | Shirik | no problem |
| 21:30.25 | Shirik | only about 700 pages to check |
| 21:30.29 | Twisol | :P |
| 21:33.14 | Shirik | ...... |
| 21:33.20 | Shirik | Okay folks, quick lesson |
| 21:33.29 | Shirik | Let us assume some API gives you a "double" |
| 21:33.48 | Shirik | int n; GetValue(reinterpret_cast<double*>(&n)); n = (int)n; |
| 21:33.56 | Shirik | Is NOT the correct way to get it into an integer. |
| 21:34.01 | Twisol | O_O |
| 21:34.05 | Twisol | Holy what the cow. |
| 21:34.20 | Shirik | I'm not kidding, that's exactly what it says |
| 21:34.30 | Shirik | I can't believe this got through QA |
| 21:34.34 | Twisol | Holy WHAT THE. |
| 21:34.50 | Twisol | I think that needs to go to the Daily WTF. |
| 21:38.29 | Shishire | oh god, shoot me now... who wrote that god-aweful piece of code? |
| 21:38.53 | Dagmar | Didn't you have some code yesterday where someone had cast a float as an int to _round_ the value? |
| 21:39.43 | Shishire | O.o unless "round" means "drop the decimal value"... *shudders* |
| 21:40.59 | NightHawkTheSane | well, for some values of round you might.. no wait, casting is never really the right way to round/truncate anything. |
| 21:41.06 | batrick | Shirik: dont you love C++ |
| 21:41.14 | Shirik | that's not C++ |
| 21:41.16 | Shirik | That's moron |
| 21:41.22 | batrick | in C++ :D |
| 21:41.34 | Shirik | Dagmar: Actually, this is written by the same guy |
| 21:41.37 | zenzelezz | you can be moron in any useful language |
| 21:41.38 | Shirik | just in a different module |
| 21:42.15 | Dagmar | Sounds like it's time to find somewhere to put his body, then. |
| 21:42.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: so.. we're not really surprised then are we |
| 21:42.28 | Twisol | :( |
| 21:42.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Twisol: it was you, was't it. |
| 21:42.40 | Twisol | He's, uh, creative. |
| 21:42.46 | Twisol | Hahah, no. :P |
| 21:43.06 | Twisol | I'm just as grossed out as the rest of you. |
| 21:43.30 | nevcairiel | reinterpret_cast should cause a big honking warning on compilation |
| 21:43.46 | nevcairiel | its like nearly never a proper use |
| 21:44.14 | zenzelezz | reinterpret_cast<double*>((double*)&int) |
| 21:44.43 | Twisol | ?? |
| 21:45.10 | Dagmar | we tah ded |
| 21:45.27 | Shirik | nevcairiel: You should see something I wrote |
| 21:45.28 | Shirik | It's epic |
| 21:45.37 | Shirik | And every use of reinterpret_cast is correct |
| 21:46.08 | Shirik | nevcairiel: http://wowi.pastey.net/127725 |
| 21:46.17 | nevcairiel | it sounds like a flawed design |
| 21:46.31 | Shirik | It is |
| 21:46.41 | Shirik | The problem was that the software we are using interfaces with C++ |
| 21:46.47 | Shirik | but it won't pass a string array |
| 21:47.00 | Shirik | So I taught it how to pass a string array by putting a string array in a string |
| 21:47.03 | Shirik | and then having it pass a string |
| 21:47.05 | zenzelezz | C strings? |
| 21:47.13 | Shirik | oh that makes it even better zenzelezz |
| 21:47.15 | Shirik | they're PASCAL strings |
| 21:47.20 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 21:47.23 | nevcairiel | length first, eh |
| 21:47.58 | Shirik | that's why you see some things like |
| 21:47.59 | Shirik | unsigned int size = *reinterpret_cast<const unsigned int*>(*s); |
| 21:48.04 | Twisol | O_o |
| 21:48.08 | nevcairiel | char** array = reinterpret_cast<char**>(reinterpret_cast<char*>(*memory)+4); |
| 21:48.11 | nevcairiel | this is just wrong |
| 21:48.15 | nevcairiel | you could do that without the casts |
| 21:48.16 | Shirik | rofl |
| 21:48.25 | Shirik | I know, sometimes my casts are for my own sanity |
| 21:48.34 | Shirik | to help me track where everything is |
| 21:48.37 | nevcairiel | (memory is a char***) |
| 21:48.50 | nevcairiel | char*** is a type why i love C :P |
| 21:48.56 | Twisol | I have never seen ***. |
| 21:49.09 | Shirik | Twisol: I believe there's a char**** somewhere in this code |
| 21:49.13 | nevcairiel | think of it like a pointer to a 2-dim-array |
| 21:49.16 | Twisol | Oh god... |
| 21:49.27 | Shirik | maybe I got rid of it |
| 21:49.28 | NightHawkTheSane | i know a guy who write a char**** once. I think he died when it summoned cthulu./ |
| 21:49.30 | nevcairiel | or, a pointer to an array of strings |
| 21:49.31 | NightHawkTheSane | wrote* |
| 21:49.38 | Shirik | but yeah, exactly what nevcairiel said, because that's exactly what it is |
| 21:49.46 | Shirik | it's a pointer to an array of strings (which are arrays of characters) |
| 21:50.15 | Shirik | nevcairiel: I am not happy about this code at all, btw |
| 21:50.18 | nevcairiel | it would probably be alot clearer if someone would typedef that for sanity |
| 21:50.20 | Shirik | It is something we just had to do |
| 21:50.22 | nevcairiel | but who does that :D |
| 21:50.30 | Shirik | It has a million unit tests and we left it at that |
| 21:50.40 | Shirik | we're transitioning away from LabVIEW anyway so it will be able to disappear soon |
| 21:51.14 | Shirik | the whole problem is that LabVIEW doesn't know how to pass an array of strings to native code |
| 21:51.26 | Shirik | despite the fact that it knows what an array of strings is |
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| 21:59.12 | Twisol | Hmm... How can I resize a tooltip's width to fit a line of text? |
| 22:02.32 | NightHawkTheSane | magic. |
| 22:02.56 | NightHawkTheSane | you have to sacrifice a virgin macro kiddie to jnwhiteh. |
| 22:03.01 | Twisol | :P |
| 22:03.11 | Twisol | I'm researching it anyways |
| 22:04.19 | Twisol | think I have it |
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| 22:08.35 | Twisol | nope, don't have it |
| 22:09.21 | Twisol | surely there's a built-in function to fit a tooltip... I've found simple equivalents for the quest log entries and watch frame. =/ |
| 22:11.39 | Arrowmaster | tooltip:Show() |
| 22:11.46 | Twisol | that resizes it too? |
| 22:11.49 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 22:11.52 | Twisol | oh |
| 22:11.54 | Twisol | awesome |
| 22:12.17 | Twisol | It does! |
| 22:12.18 | Twisol | Thanks |
| 22:12.25 | Fisker | you wouldn't copy a baby |
| 22:14.22 | smoke__ | anyone familiar with oUF layouts? i have this problem with the latency texture on the cast bar, for some reason i dont know the exact reason but the background of the actual castbar overlaps the latency texture so i can't see it sometimes it doest his and sometimes it does not |
| 22:14.45 | smoke__ | even if i set the strata or put it on a diffeerent layer (artwork and border) |
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| 22:18.10 | Twisol | heh, I added the quest level to the tooltip in only nine lines |
| 22:18.11 | Twisol | :D |
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| 22:29.02 | alestane | So it seems like one may not need aqual/eternal quintessence to do MC anymore. Can someone corroborate this? |
| 22:29.21 | durcyn | alestane: it's no longer required |
| 22:29.45 | alestane | The runes just seem to go out when you kill the boss. |
| 22:29.56 | Aelo | yus |
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| 22:39.52 | AbsolutRayne | Almost 450 Engi on my Rogue |
| 22:40.21 | Fisker | slaps durcyn around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:42.46 | ScytheBlade1 | jnwhiteh: er, what? |
| 22:43.03 | jnwhiteh | ScytheBlade1: your validation script |
| 22:43.04 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 22:43.14 | durcyn | Fisker: die |
| 22:43.16 | ScytheBlade1 | oh that |
| 22:43.19 | jnwhiteh | lol =) |
| 22:43.22 | ScytheBlade1 | http://dev.averageurl.com/wow/xml/ |
| 22:43.23 | jnwhiteh | i can't xmllint to do it right |
| 22:43.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Took me a minute to remember what you were talking about |
| 22:43.39 | jnwhiteh | what commandline do you use? |
| 22:43.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I think that's the 3.2 XSD |
| 22:43.42 | ScytheBlade1 | sec |
| 22:44.27 | ScytheBlade1 | xmllint --noout --schema UI.xsd $tmp 2>&1 |
| 22:44.54 | ScytheBlade1 | (where $tmp is the file) |
| 22:45.21 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 22:45.24 | jnwhiteh | that's what I do |
| 22:45.29 | jnwhiteh | and it yells about things that I know are well formed |
| 22:45.30 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 22:45.44 | ScytheBlade1 | order |
| 22:46.03 | ScytheBlade1 | that's my bet |
| 22:46.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I probably need to update that XSD though |
| 22:47.13 | NightHawkTheSane | it probably is element order. depends on how the xsd is defined. |
| 22:48.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I used to have some code in to make the output prettier and cut down on the verbosity, but I never perfected it |
| 22:48.50 | ScytheBlade1 | so it is disabled |
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| 22:56.52 | Bruners | haste: toc10 ? |
| 22:57.24 | Thunder_Child | can the creators of DA:O not actually make decent AI's? |
| 22:57.33 | zenzelezz | huggles Lopeppeppy again |
| 22:57.42 | Lopeppeppy | re-hello, zenzelezz. |
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| 23:03.46 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Try and it and see. They'll mainly kick your ass if you try to phone it in by letting the AI on your party members have it's way |
| 23:04.20 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, i get my ass kicked by stupid party members more than the enemy |
| 23:04.27 | Thunder_Child | thats my problem |
| 23:05.08 | Dagmar | So take the AoE spells out of the combat tactics slide |
| 23:05.25 | Dagmar | They don't let you just ignore friendly fire issues unless you pick easy mode |
| 23:05.46 | Thunder_Child | i dont want to ignore it, i want them to be smart |
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| 23:06.01 | Dagmar | So buy more combat tactics slots as you level up. |
| 23:06.09 | Thunder_Child | and removing 1 of 2 spells sucks |
| 23:06.15 | Dagmar | Me, I'll take extra abilities and just mind my positioning so I don't get flanked. |
| 23:06.32 | Dagmar | They drop a bunch of hints that letting your toons get flanked is a short road to your last save |
| 23:06.54 | Dagmar | No matter how squishy your mage may be, facing the enemy is better than being surrounded. |
| 23:07.09 | Thunder_Child | you are not getting it i see |
| 23:07.25 | Thunder_Child | the caster will move on her own and end up hitting allies |
| 23:07.38 | zenzelezz | I'm having trouble getting one of my companions to stay at range and not come charging into melee |
| 23:09.35 | Dagmar | zenzelzz: On the right-hand side of the tactics window, there's a dropdown at the top. Set it to ranged. |
| 23:09.52 | Dagmar | You might want to set the other dropdown to 'Archer' while you're at it, but that's just a weapon preference as far as I know |
| 23:10.13 | Dagmar | Set their behaviour to 'cautious' or 'ranged' and they will no longer rush in |
| 23:10.14 | zenzelezz | hm, I see |
| 23:10.17 | zenzelezz | cheers |
| 23:10.21 | Dagmar | No problem |
| 23:11.05 | Dagmar | I have hopes that some soon-to-appear patch will make 'Scrapper' not simply be filled with blanks |
| 23:11.53 | cog|away | woot... ssh'ed here from my Droid :D |
| 23:12.01 | ScytheBlade1 | :/ |
| 23:12.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I went in to get mine today |
| 23:12.07 | zenzelezz | cog|away: :) How is it so far? |
| 23:12.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Too early for me due to contract timing |
| 23:12.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd have to get it at $600 retail |
| 23:12.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Or wait until next saturday to get it at $200 |
| 23:12.40 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|away: how is the hardware keyboard? |
| 23:13.44 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: they wouldn't hand-wave past it for one fucking week on your contract? |
| 23:14.07 | ScytheBlade1 | nope, as my contract isn't up until some time in april |
| 23:14.16 | NightHawkTheSane | oh |
| 23:14.25 | NightHawkTheSane | the way you said that indicated your contract was up next saturday |
| 23:14.50 | NightHawkTheSane | so now i'm confused, why would you get it at $200 next sat that you can't now? |
| 23:14.56 | cog|away | ScytheBlade1: I wouldn't be eligible for another year :( |
| 23:15.15 | cog|away | went ahead and bit the bullet... i think i'm going to ask everyone to give me $ for my bday >< |
| 23:15.32 | cog|away | NightHawkTheSane: verizon only lets you get discount prices every 2 years |
| 23:15.42 | Arrowmaster | you people and your phones, my phone contract has been expired for years |
| 23:15.44 | cog|away | if you already have an account with them |
| 23:15.52 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|away: yeah, t-mobile's the same |
| 23:16.08 | cog|away | Arrowmaster: well, on the bright side, i didn't have to increase my contract by two years >< |
| 23:16.31 | cog|away | zenzelezz: loving it so far, though i wish our wifi router here at work didn't suck so much |
| 23:16.41 | NightHawkTheSane | but if his contract isn't up until april, presumably he wouldn't be eligable for that discount until then? |
| 23:17.00 | cog|away | shrugs |
| 23:17.39 | Arrowmaster | cog|away: so whats the deal with the navigation thingy? ive heard its both part of the new android os version and some special verizon only thing you have to pay for |
| 23:18.03 | cog|away | re: the keyboard, i've never been much of a texter so I'm not the best judge... though I CAN say it's better than my Centro's |
| 23:18.12 | cog|away | Arrowmaster: not sure why you would've heard the latter... |
| 23:18.16 | jnwhiteh | i just buy my phones unlocked from the dealer |
| 23:18.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: afaik, i think it's just people making a big deal because verizon's historically been douchebags and disabled gps capability for phones that had it in the hardware |
| 23:18.34 | cog|away | pretty sure you can download the new google maps for older android devices |
| 23:18.36 | Arrowmaster | cog|away: is it not the same as the vz nav thing? |
| 23:18.36 | NightHawkTheSane | (unless you paid them extra) |
| 23:18.42 | NightHawkTheSane | which you dont have to do with the droid |
| 23:18.59 | ScytheBlade1 | well 1.something years and they let you upgrade |
| 23:19.21 | cog|away | Arrowmaster: no. it's entirely google's product. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGXK4jKN_jY&feature=player_embedded |
| 23:19.48 | cog|away | "provides turn-by-turn voice guidance as a free feature of Google Maps on Android 2.0 phones" |
| 23:21.11 | Arrowmaster | something i read about the eu gsm version mentioned something like 'multitouch vs google maps' as the difference between the two version |
| 23:21.37 | Arrowmaster | so whats vz nav? |
| 23:21.53 | cog|away | verizon's product |
| 23:22.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: i think they're referring to the fact that the EU version ("Milestone") has pinch multitouch gestures enabled in the OS, whereas the US version does't |
| 23:22.27 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 23:22.37 | NightHawkTheSane | (which is silly) |
| 23:22.43 | cog|away | NightHawkTheSane: fwiw, it's software only. |
| 23:22.50 | cog|away | the hardware supports it |
| 23:22.54 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|away: yeah, i know |
| 23:22.55 | Arrowmaster | and that the milestone doesnt have the verizon nav stuff or something |
| 23:22.58 | cog|away | and there are apps that do as well |
| 23:24.40 | Arrowmaster | ok so is this vz nav thing that is extra on verizon plans just for blackberry and windows mobile phones then? |
| 23:25.15 | NightHawkTheSane | so, unrelated, this is interesting: http://gawker.com/5399065/cornell-employees-email-blunder-from-hell |
| 23:25.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: i believe so, yes |
| 23:25.32 | cog|away | and whatever other phones they designed it for. verizon has always had this v-cast service that works with a bunch of different phone models. http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=phoneFirst&action=preZip&featureGroup=VZ+Navigator |
| 23:25.41 | NightHawkTheSane | it's verizons "we'll fuck you for wanting to use the features your phone came with" plan. |
| 23:25.57 | cog|away | Arrowmaster: http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/splash/turnbyturn.jsp <-- got there from googling vz nav :P |
| 23:37.46 | alestane | NightHawkTheSane: Um, oops. |
| 23:38.00 | alestane | Shades of American Pie. |
| 23:40.09 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: hm? |
| 23:40.09 | alestane | The newspost you linked. |
| 23:40.09 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, the email thing? |
| 23:40.09 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe, yeah |
| 23:40.55 | *** join/#wowuidev kneeki (n=chatzill@66.45.169.50) |
| 23:52.18 | ScytheBlade1 | bah |
| 23:52.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Work wants me in on sunday for 9h :/ |
| 23:53.13 | Lopeppeppy | Owies. |
| 23:53.16 | Lopeppeppy | Time and a half? |
| 23:53.22 | NightHawkTheSane | don't do it! it's a trap! |
| 23:53.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup, time and a half |
| 23:54.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd be right near 60h of work if I do that |
| 23:54.09 | Lopeppeppy | Very tempting.... but ouch to 60 hours! |
| 23:54.14 | ScytheBlade1 | So time and a half just because it is the weekend is moot |
| 23:54.15 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 23:54.19 | Lopeppeppy | That's overtime + time and a half. They must be desperate. |
| 23:54.33 | ScytheBlade1 | not really |
| 23:55.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Plus I was told I would be doing what amounts to absolutely nothing for the entire duration |
| 23:55.10 | ScytheBlade1 | So I think I need to hit up the library |
| 23:56.50 | Lopeppeppy | I sure wouldn't turn down the chance at that. :) |
| 23:57.20 | cog|away | well, if there's one thing I can say about touch screens, is that i wish i wasn't italian... |
| 23:57.32 | Lopeppeppy | Fat fingers? |
| 23:57.37 | cog|work | greasy |
| 23:57.42 | Lopeppeppy | Eeew! |
