| 00:00.15 | Lopeppeppy | They could be douchebags. Many are. |
| 00:01.17 | Thunder_Child | this sounds decidedly bad "RUM ROASTED PINEAPPLE, CREPES, RUM RAISIN ICE CREAM" |
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| 00:08.29 | Shirik | you know, there really aren't enough 3/4 songs out there |
| 00:08.55 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDfcnUivQII is a very fun song |
| 00:10.42 | batrick | that makes so much sense |
| 00:10.42 | mikma | scytheblade1: replacing sound/Music/Tank.wav (and Taank.wav) with benny hill tune, priceless. |
| 00:10.46 | batrick | shirik is c3po |
| 00:10.57 | Shirik | ?? |
| 00:12.07 | mikma | scytheblade1: http://mikma.eu/l4d/Benny_Hill.rar =D |
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| 00:14.40 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 00:18.55 | Shirik | mikma is cheating |
| 00:19.08 | Lopeppeppy | again? |
| 00:19.30 | Shirik | always |
| 00:22.40 | Shirik | hey ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:22.51 | Shirik | Win Server 2008R2, can multiple people be logged into the same user at the same time? |
| 00:23.42 | batrick | if they can't, what a shitty server os |
| 00:23.46 | batrick | o wait, you said windows |
| 00:23.58 | Shirik | ~stab batrick |
| 00:23.59 | purl | ACTION runs at batrick with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 00:24.16 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i think that song is ESL |
| 00:24.25 | Arrowmaster | multiple people can never login as the same user with any windows os afaik |
| 00:24.29 | Shirik | why Thunder_Child? |
| 00:25.12 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, did you follow the lyrics? |
| 00:25.20 | Shirik | no |
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| 00:25.42 | Thunder_Child | ESL |
| 00:26.59 | Shirik | I see what you mean |
| 00:27.05 | Shirik | I don't really listen to the words, I like the song |
| 00:27.34 | Lopeppeppy | It scans to me like poetry set to music, which sometimes comes across as somewhat ESL |
| 00:28.39 | Lopeppeppy | I love Morticia. "Welcome, honored guests. Entrails?" |
| 00:34.29 | Shirik | silence in the courthouse! |
| 00:35.11 | Shirik | what is Morticia, Lopeppeppy? |
| 00:35.40 | Lopeppeppy | divine, Shirik |
| 00:35.46 | Shirik | ? |
| 00:36.57 | Bruners | Fisker: look what i found http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11056-EnhancedAchievements.html |
| 00:38.35 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy is confuzzling |
| 00:39.48 | Shirik | you know what |
| 00:40.05 | Shirik | Youtube should have clipping detection and just automatically ban anyone who uploads videos that clip horribly |
| 00:42.02 | Bruners | clip ? |
| 00:43.24 | Lopeppeppy | Morticia Addams, from the Addams Family, Shirik. |
| 00:43.39 | Lopeppeppy | Cip = cut off in this case, I think |
| 00:44.55 | Shirik | clip |
| 00:44.56 | Shirik | like |
| 00:44.59 | Shirik | clipping |
| 00:45.05 | Shirik | I don't know how else to put it |
| 00:45.22 | Shirik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipping_(signal_processing) |
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| 00:55.39 | Wobin | Cairenn, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzvUyu3zOmE&feature=player_embedded |
| 00:56.35 | Cairenn | cute |
| 00:56.39 | Cairenn | very very cute |
| 00:57.37 | Cairenn | spoiled rotten kitty, but cute |
| 00:57.51 | Bruners | spoiled? |
| 00:57.57 | Lopeppeppy | very spoiled |
| 00:57.57 | Cairenn | hand feeding it? |
| 00:58.03 | Cairenn | very spoiled |
| 00:58.07 | Lopeppeppy | I hand feed my cats when they get medicine, that's it. |
| 00:58.18 | Bruners | im guessing the hand feeding was for the video |
| 00:58.25 | Trela | ~seen Tuhljin |
| 00:58.27 | purl | i haven't seen 'tuhljin', Trela |
| 00:58.29 | Lopeppeppy | No... that cat is very used to that feeding style |
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| 00:58.37 | Bruners | else it would only be a cat eating cat food |
| 00:58.42 | Bruners | which would be kinda booring :P |
| 00:59.08 | Cairenn | not denying in the slightest that it's cute as all hell |
| 00:59.14 | Lopeppeppy | I couldn't offer Moose food in chopsticks and have her sit up and take it like that. Takes training. Cute, but omg spoiled |
| 00:59.15 | Cairenn | but that cat is spoiled :p |
| 00:59.47 | Bruners | doesnt take training to do that |
| 01:00.07 | Bruners | cats likes food |
| 01:00.12 | Lopeppeppy | ... *laugh* |
| 01:00.27 | Lopeppeppy | My cat would look at me like I had two heads and sniff and walk away. |
| 01:00.49 | Bruners | even my cat at his 20 year did that when he got fish |
| 01:01.02 | Lopeppeppy | Had 20 years to learn it, and to teach you. |
| 01:02.26 | Lopeppeppy | but I also think any cat is spoiled who is allowed to wake their humans up to demand food. |
| 01:02.59 | Bruners | thats why you have food in their food area all the time |
| 01:03.09 | Bruners | problem solved |
| 01:03.24 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 01:03.41 | Torhal | My cat will eat from my mouth |
| 01:03.55 | Lopeppeppy | Eeeew! |
| 01:04.01 | Lopeppeppy | Holy eeew. |
| 01:04.34 | Cairenn | and I thought I spoiled my cat by escorting her into the kitchen (she likes to have permission to eat and company when she starts to) |
| 01:04.57 | Torhal | Hell, my cat will sometimes not eat what I'm eating unless I chew it first. |
| 01:04.59 | Trela | The family tried to train me to wake up on demand to be fed. He quickly found out that nothing can wake me! |
| 01:05.12 | Torhal | Then he'll hop up on his hind legs and eat it from between my teeth |
| 01:05.24 | Trela | *family cat |
| 01:05.57 | Shirik | Anyone good with matlab? Would like to know why `(-1)^(1/2) == j` returns 0 |
| 01:06.13 | Lopeppeppy | Mooseling sits and waits for me to get up, and once I'm around she waits for her water dish to be refilled, but she's never expected to be fed at a certain time. I deliberately feed them at random times so they don't "learn" food time |
| 01:06.47 | Torhal | My cat will also sit by my chair and _scream_ at me until I get up and follow him to his food bowl. |
| 01:06.49 | Cairenn | My cats are on-demand (ie there's always food down) |
| 01:07.08 | Lopeppeppy | Mooseling and Rosiekins always have dry food, sometimes they get gushytreat. |
| 01:07.44 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: Mmmhmm. Yep. You're the epitome of female, with those two cat names. |
| 01:08.05 | Torhal | Or nicknames... |
| 01:08.06 | Torhal | :D |
| 01:08.13 | Lopeppeppy | Kendra and Rosie. |
| 01:08.18 | Lopeppeppy | Both came from the pound with those names. |
| 01:08.32 | Thunder_Child | very cool http://gizmodo.com/5393586/toyotas-carbon-fiber-loom-is-one-of-the-most-stunning-pieces-of-machinery-ive-ever-seen |
| 01:08.35 | Lopeppeppy | Their more lengthy names are Mooseling Mischiefcat and Rosiekins Frankencat |
| 01:08.35 | Torhal | But "Mooseling and Rosiekins" |
| 01:08.36 | Bruners | you can clearly see in that video that the cat prefers eating from the floor |
| 01:08.41 | Torhal | LOL |
| 01:08.42 | Torhal | Nice |
| 01:08.47 | Cairenn | cheers people that adopt animals from shelters! |
| 01:08.48 | Bruners | not the toyota one |
| 01:09.08 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, I've told you about Rosie, right? I adopted her when they were going to put her to sleep, poor furkin. |
| 01:09.14 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 01:09.27 | Lopeppeppy | She *might* get the last staples out in 2 weeks! |
| 01:09.39 | Cairenn | yay! |
| 01:09.40 | Lopeppeppy | (hence the Frankencat) |
| 01:09.43 | Torhal | Cairenn: I have a female cat who was a feral stray, who made me need stitches under my eye, that I refused to take to the pound when told to. She's very sweet and affectionate now. |
| 01:09.45 | Cairenn | glad she's coming along |
| 01:09.55 | Cairenn | Torhal: :) |
| 01:10.00 | Lopeppeppy | Slow but sure, it's in an evil location |
| 01:10.07 | Corrodias | my cats were feral as well |
| 01:10.46 | DWSR | hey guys, for some reason my /combatlog isn't outputting anything to Logs/WoWCombatLog.txt |
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| 01:11.37 | DWSR | Halp? |
| 01:11.49 | Lopeppeppy | you have write permissions? |
| 01:12.00 | DWSR | Well, the game created the file. |
| 01:12.04 | DWSR | It just didn't write anything into it. |
| 01:12.09 | Torhal | DWSR: /reloadui? |
| 01:12.15 | DWSR | Oh, yeah. =\ |
| 01:12.27 | DWSR | Hrm. |
| 01:12.43 | DWSR | Odd, on my XP machine, stuff gets logged to file in some semblance of real time. |
| 01:12.47 | DWSR | On my 7 machine, it waits? |
| 01:12.55 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, OS buffering, perhaps |
| 01:13.12 | Torhal | Could be - or scheduling. |
| 01:13.18 | Lopeppeppy | or just hate |
| 01:13.22 | Lopeppeppy | computers have hate |
| 01:13.27 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Seems very odd that the OS would stop the program from writing to a file until the program closes. |
| 01:13.31 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: Fisker is a computer? |
| 01:13.38 | Lopeppeppy | sometimes, sure |
| 01:13.52 | Torhal | DWSR: Are you sure the behavior simply wasn't changed in a recent patch? |
| 01:14.13 | DWSR | Torhal: I'm running the same patch on both my computers one exhibits the intended behaviour, one does not. |
| 01:14.13 | Torhal | I mean, I don't remember seeing a patch note saying they were adding color codes to NPC tooltips, but they did. |
| 01:14.18 | Torhal | Hrm |
| 01:14.51 | Torhal | DWSR: Definitely sounds like strangeness with file handles. |
| 01:15.07 | DWSR | indeed. |
| 01:15.13 | DWSR | I'll try running wow as an administrator. |
| 01:15.29 | Torhal | DWSR: ... |
| 01:15.31 | Torhal | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.47 | DWSR | Torhal: I just need real-time recording for a setup video for World of Logs. |
| 01:15.57 | DWSR | I wouldn't normally do this, but I trust WoW is not a fucking trojan. |
| 01:16.19 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, it's not necessarily stopping |
| 01:16.23 | ZorbaBeta | it's just not flushing it in realtime |
| 01:16.33 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Right, but my XP machine does flush in real time. |
| 01:16.42 | ZorbaBeta | sometimes there's buffering done for performance reasons. if the program doesn't request a flush, it might not write for quite some time. |
| 01:16.46 | Torhal | DWSR: Yah, just saying...I would HOPE admin rights wouldn't have an effect on file buffer flushing |
| 01:16.53 | ZorbaBeta | sure. maybe 7 has a different, more efficient buffering schema. |
| 01:17.15 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 01:17.21 | DWSR | Well, since WoW is sitting in the public users directory, I figured there might be something with it being run with my permission level. |
| 01:17.27 | Shirik | DWSR: It has nothing to do with the OS |
| 01:17.33 | Shirik | WoW doesn't necessarily write the combat log in realtime |
| 01:17.41 | Shirik | not only is it insecure, it's extremely difficult |
| 01:17.45 | Arrowmaster | WoW intentionally doesnt do it |
| 01:17.48 | DWSR | Shirik: It does on XP, but not on Vista/7. |
| 01:17.54 | DWSR | So now I'm really fucking confused. |
| 01:17.55 | Shirik | That is likely just a coincidence |
| 01:18.03 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt on XP, you just think its close to realtime but its not |
| 01:18.26 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: You're right, I suppose. |
| 01:18.38 | DWSR | What I want: The combat log to be written to without requiring a /reloadui. |
| 01:18.46 | Bruners | Torhal: got any scars from that? |
| 01:18.48 | Torhal | DWSR: So does TweetCraft |
| 01:18.57 | Torhal | Bruners: From...? |
| 01:19.02 | DWSR | Torhal: Well it works on XP, as I've asid. |
| 01:19.05 | Bruners | Torhal: the stiches |
| 01:19.09 | Shirik | DWSR: Why? |
| 01:19.17 | DWSR | Shirik: For WoL live reporting. |
| 01:19.23 | Shirik | yeah.... |
| 01:19.27 | Shirik | that's the kind of stuff they don't want |
| 01:19.46 | Bruners | Torhal: female cat, stiches |
| 01:20.06 | Shirik | you're trying to export in-game info in real-time during combat. Blizzard goes through a lot to stop that from happening. |
| 01:20.21 | Torhal | Bruners: Actually, I have to remove my contact lenses (nearsighted, so the focus is awesome) and look really hard. I see some nodules which I suppose are scarred pores, but that's about it. They did a really good job, and the cut was right along the line for my eye socket. |
| 01:20.33 | DWSR | Shirik: I don't even want it during combat. |
| 01:20.49 | DWSR | Shirik: After combat's fine. I just want no manual intervention required. |
| 01:20.51 | Bruners | guess i was unlucky then, got a 10 cm scar below my eye |
| 01:20.57 | Shirik | ok |
| 01:21.02 | Torhal | Yeouch. |
| 01:21.12 | Bruners | "scar", its just a line |
| 01:21.14 | Shirik | doesn't get you any closer though :) |
| 01:21.27 | Bruners | was originally 3, but i got it when i was 3 |
| 01:21.28 | Torhal | I had only six stitches, but when they did them I kept thinking "The gaps in-between are huge...that's gonna scar bad" |
| 01:21.33 | DWSR | Shirik: Indeed. I'm just confused as to why 7/Vista does one thing and XP does another. |
| 01:22.00 | Arrowmaster | just wait and it will output the data to he file |
| 01:22.08 | Shirik | it probably has nothing to do with the OS |
| 01:22.13 | Torhal | DWSR: The new Impala isn't a boat in comparison to the old Impala. That does not confuse me. |
| 01:22.14 | Shirik | you are getting a side effect |
| 01:22.17 | Torhal | hides. |
| 01:23.01 | Wobin | http://j-walkblog.com/images2/makinghotdogs.jpg |
| 01:23.07 | Ginji | DWSR: Just get a screen reader |
| 01:23.07 | DWSR | Shirik: A side effect of what? |
| 01:23.10 | Torhal | DWSR: I'm not trying to be a dick, BTW: I haven't had alcohol in months and thought I'd throw in a cruel joke. :) |
| 01:23.22 | Shirik | DWSR: Now you're asking me to be a fortune teller |
| 01:23.40 | Shirik | error C2541: 'delete' : cannot delete objects that are not pointers |
| 01:23.44 | DWSR | Shirik: Well, the computer that I'm getting the unwanted behaviour on has no addons and is a brand new, clean installation. |
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| 01:23.56 | DWSR | The computer that has the intended behaviour has about 275 mods running. |
| 01:23.57 | Shirik | What a horrible error message for what should be "'operation' is an undeclared identifier" |
| 01:24.14 | Torhal | DWSR: Do you, perchance, have more RAM in the new machine? |
| 01:24.17 | Shirik | DWSR: Perhaps more memory == larger buffer |
| 01:24.20 | Shirik | Torhal :( |
| 01:24.26 | DWSR | No. I have 4GB in both systems. |
| 01:24.30 | Shirik | but you have more FREE memory |
| 01:24.34 | Ginji | DWSR: the fact remains is that blizzard goes through great lengths to stop the gathering of real-time gathering, ergo you can't do it |
| 01:24.35 | Torhal | Shirik: Oops |
| 01:24.58 | DWSR | Ginji: Except, from proof of concept, I can on one machine, which basically tells me that I ought to be able to. |
| 01:25.09 | Ginji | No |
| 01:26.48 | DWSR | Shirik: I'm running a 32 bit XP and a 64 bit 7. |
| 01:26.53 | DWSR | Could this have something to do with it? |
| 01:27.11 | DWSR | OH, *duh* |
| 01:27.33 | DWSR | 275 mods + all high resolution textures + farclip on high = a hell of a lot more memory usage. |
| 01:28.18 | Shirik | :/ |
| 01:28.23 | Shirik | (21:24:23) (@Shirik) but you have more FREE memory |
| 01:29.53 | DWSR | Shirik: But I was thinking about it in terms of total free memory. |
| 01:30.12 | DWSR | On my 7 machine I actually have much less memory available to applications thanks to an integrated GPU. |
| 01:30.13 | Wobin | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SqhhJb_P3Kk/Sumz45krn4I/AAAAAAAAJxI/nA-IeXF0I2k/s1600-h/hey+jude+flowchart.jpg |
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| 01:33.52 | Lopeppeppy | "Are they made from real Girl Scouts?" |
| 01:34.34 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: Good lord. I was 15 when that came out. |
| 01:34.42 | Lopeppeppy | It's good fun. |
| 01:34.57 | Lopeppeppy | Thing kicks ass as a courier |
| 01:34.57 | Torhal | Just saying, way to make me feel old. :D |
| 01:35.44 | Arrowmaster | *facepalm* |
| 01:35.47 | Lopeppeppy | I'm older than you are, Tootsiepop. |
| 01:36.03 | Arrowmaster | i just started steam in wine and was asked if i wanted to make internet explorer my default browser |
| 01:36.11 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: lol? |
| 01:36.18 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: LIES! December 24th, 1975 |
| 01:36.29 | Corrodias | Steam uses IE to display stuff, yes |
| 01:36.34 | Arrowmaster | or atleast i think i started steam, some weird page poped up in IE |
| 01:37.31 | Ginji | steam probably uses an IE backend for some stuff |
| 01:37.39 | Arrowmaster | everything |
| 01:37.41 | Shirik | Even though SQLite is in the public domain and does not require a license, some users want to obtain a license anyway. If you feel like you really have to purchase a license for SQLite, Hwaci, the company that employs the architect and principal developers of SQLite, will sell you one. |
| 01:37.43 | Corrodias | yes |
| 01:37.43 | Shirik | ..... what? |
| 01:37.48 | Shirik | why would you buy something that's free |
| 01:37.56 | Lopeppeppy | Torhal, I'm older. Cairenn or Shirik could confirm, but I don't give my birthday online. :) |
| 01:38.04 | DWSR | Shirik: Because people are retarded? |
| 01:38.12 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: I told you! Epitome of female. |
| 01:38.17 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy is younger than me |
| 01:38.20 | Shirik | or at least appears to be |
| 01:38.36 | Torhal | Shirik: You're younger than I am, and I believe her when she says she's older than I. |
| 01:38.43 | Torhal | Women don't lie on that one :) |
| 01:38.50 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, that's nice, but no way. :P We had this discussion at Blizcon, remember you were stunned at how long I'd been married? |
| 01:38.55 | Shirik | you will never win a woman's heart that way |
| 01:39.07 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy yes >< |
| 01:39.17 | Torhal | Shirik: Tell that to my son's mother. |
| 01:39.18 | Torhal | :D |
| 01:39.20 | Lopeppeppy | You already won me over, darlin'. :) |
| 01:39.37 | Lopeppeppy | Anyway, I's single and ancient, so there. |
| 01:39.57 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: Ok, now I'm doubting. |
| 01:40.14 | Lopeppeppy | Doubting which? |
| 01:40.15 | Torhal | You said marriage, then "single". |
| 01:40.21 | Lopeppeppy | Divorce happens, duh. |
| 01:40.30 | Torhal | Oh. Sorry :( |
| 01:40.53 | Torhal | Shirik: So she's what, 17? |
| 01:41.08 | Shirik | wtf, how old do you think I am? |
| 01:41.10 | Lopeppeppy | It happens, Torhal. Like losing last year's superbowl, you have to get over it or you can't enjoy next year's game. |
| 01:41.28 | Lopeppeppy | (and yes, I'm making fun of myself, it's okay) |
| 01:41.29 | Ginji | Life is like a box of chocolates ... |
| 01:41.50 | Torhal | Shirik: I was trying to inject some humor. :P |
| 01:42.08 | Torhal | You're in college, you're obviously older than 17. Unless you're THAT brilliant. |
| 01:42.30 | NightHawkTheSane | sometimes he is. |
| 01:42.33 | Lopeppeppy | He's honestly that brilliant, but he's older too. |
| 01:42.47 | NightHawkTheSane | sometimes you're surprised he can live alone and not die.. |
| 01:44.08 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane... |
| 01:44.20 | Lopeppeppy | How do you know this isn't his vampire form? |
| 01:44.31 | Shirik | I do like the night, and sleep during the day |
| 01:44.41 | NightHawkTheSane | <3 Shirik :) |
| 01:44.45 | Shirik | <3 |
| 01:45.54 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Shirik. It's good to be indeterminate together! |
| 01:46.12 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
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| 01:52.58 | Shirik | !g C4244 |
| 01:52.59 | batbot | Shirik: Compiler Warning (levels 3 and 4) C4244 (C++) <http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/th7a07tz(VS.80).aspx> |
| 01:53.03 | Lopeppeppy | pouncels alestane! |
| 01:53.05 | Shirik | what the hell is "levels 3 and 4" |
| 01:53.07 | Shirik | pick one! |
| 01:53.16 | alestane | is most pouncled. |
| 01:53.56 | alestane | Hiya Peppy. I has a new Gb of RAM, 500Gb HD and the new OS! |
| 01:54.39 | Lopeppeppy | oooh la la. |
| 01:54.42 | alestane | Everything seems to be running rather more smoothly now. |
| 01:54.49 | Thunder_Child | alestane, dont give openings like that |
| 01:54.49 | Lopeppeppy | It damn well should |
| 01:54.51 | Shirik | nice alestane |
| 01:55.34 | alestane | And I will have room for the PTR client this way. |
| 01:56.40 | Lopeppeppy | oooooh |
| 01:56.42 | fl1st4r | with CheckButton, if i want to know if the button is checked, i use GetChecked() ? |
| 01:57.27 | fl1st4r | because with this one http://wowuidev.pastey.net/127388 my click always print Unchecked :| |
| 01:59.30 | alestane | fl1st4r: Try replacing line 7 with "7if (checkbutton:GetChecked()) then"...I believe they've been migrating some of the API functions over to boolean returns instead of 1nil "faux booleans." |
| 01:59.42 | alestane | Ignoring the extra 7 I tucked in there. |
| 02:00.44 | fl1st4r | uhmm doesn't work |
| 02:00.58 | fl1st4r | it work but unchecked again |
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| 02:01.50 | Lunessa | like, station or something |
| 02:02.04 | fl1st4r | work fine if i create my checkbutton in XML but in LUA this .... won't work :D |
| 02:03.20 | Lopeppeppy | huggles on Lunessa. What a wonderful time of night! |
| 02:03.44 | alestane | If it works in XML but not in Lua, that just means you're doing the Lua wrong. |
| 02:03.45 | Lunessa | huggles Lopeppeppy. Mmmm... delicious |
| 02:04.25 | Lopeppeppy | nom nom nom |
| 02:06.18 | fl1st4r | yeah i know ... it's why i need help ^ |
| 02:06.28 | alestane | fl1st4r: It works fine for me. |
| 02:06.44 | alestane | "Checked", click it again it says "Unchecked". |
| 02:07.18 | fl1st4r | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/127390 |
| 02:07.21 | alestane | The code as I used it is here: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/127389 |
| 02:07.22 | fl1st4r | cpmplete code |
| 02:08.42 | fl1st4r | lol work fine with your correction :) |
| 02:09.01 | Lopeppeppy | alestane is magicalness with toast |
| 02:09.09 | fl1st4r | lol |
| 02:10.02 | alestane | Only funny because I don't think I actually fixed anything. My guess is you had a typo in the old code that disappeared when you replaced it. |
| 02:10.32 | Lopeppeppy | My freakin' cat is snoring. Rawr. |
| 02:11.10 | fl1st4r | shoot him |
| 02:11.25 | alestane | I have heard cats sneeze before, but not snore. |
| 02:12.18 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh, just ugh. |
| 02:13.46 | Shirik | my dogs snore all the time |
| 02:15.33 | Torhal | Once, when I picked my cat up, he audibly farted. |
| 02:15.38 | Torhal | Once. |
| 02:15.53 | Antiarc | GUYS |
| 02:15.58 | Antiarc | EVERYONE DO THE TIME WARP TO 2006 |
| 02:16.00 | Antiarc | "looking for a a macro that will target and interact with the flag after it has been dropped in WSG. there must be one as I have seen folks return the flag from quite a distance away." |
| 02:16.27 | Lopeppeppy | ... *laugh* |
| 02:16.32 | Lopeppeppy | Learn to lag, jerkface |
| 02:16.48 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 02:16.57 | Antiarc | Tempted to give him that macro that sets your camera 90 degrees off. |
| 02:16.58 | Torhal | Antiarc: Deep breaths. |
| 02:17.10 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, dooo it Antiarc!!! |
| 02:17.20 | Lopeppeppy | I pays in cookies! |
| 02:17.49 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:17.55 | Antiarc | Sets your camera's anchor point there |
| 02:18.02 | Antiarc | So it'll float around in front of you and to the side |
| 02:18.15 | Lopeppeppy | Not like the tard would know what a macro was if it bit him in the arse. |
| 02:18.20 | Antiarc | 90 works better. |
| 02:18.31 | Antiarc | There's another more insidious one, but I think it's a cvar |
| 02:18.33 | Antiarc | I don't remember it |
| 02:18.35 | Arrowmaster | i have something like that but its in a bindings.xml to flip it 180 degrees on press and 180 again on release |
| 02:18.44 | Torhal | Antiarc: /script ChatFrame1:SetHeight(1) |
| 02:18.47 | Shirik | how about /run CreateFrame("FRAME"):SetScript("OnUpdate", function() FlipCameraYaw(math.random(0,360)) end) |
| 02:18.51 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:18.54 | Torhal | Shirik: Gold. |
| 02:18.58 | alestane | Going to go out and be social now, have a great evening! |
| 02:19.00 | Shirik | this way all he has to do is keep clicking |
| 02:19.03 | Shirik | and eventually he'll get it |
| 02:19.06 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.17 | Antiarc | Give that a go and see how long it takes for you to ragequit |
| 02:19.47 | Lopeppeppy | *tee hee hee* |
| 02:19.52 | Antiarc | Ooh, add MoveViewDownStart() |
| 02:20.38 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.45 | Antiarc | I'm running that right now and already hate myself. |
| 02:23.51 | Lunessa | lawl |
| 02:24.52 | NightHawkTheSane | oh god. http://imgur.com/Haezp |
| 02:25.21 | Lopeppeppy | Oh sweet jebus evil. |
| 02:28.15 | Shirik | aww that's sweet NightHawkTheSane |
| 02:29.41 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.54 | Antiarc | Pitchlimit isn't working via setcvar, but it works too |
| 02:29.57 | Antiarc | I set it to 999999 |
| 02:29.59 | Antiarc | And I'm about to hurl |
| 02:31.00 | Lopeppeppy | Nice. |
| 02:31.04 | ScytheBlade1 | To a toilet! |
| 02:31.05 | Lopeppeppy | Give him that, torture him! |
| 02:31.29 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:33.03 | Antiarc | You know, that effect might be described as having your head up your ass. |
| 02:33.07 | Antiarc | Given the view it locks you to. |
| 02:35.44 | Antiarc | The temptation to log onto a throwaway alt and paste that macro into trade chat is almost overwhelming. |
| 02:36.02 | olafski | what's stopping you? |
| 02:36.03 | Lunessa | do eeeeet - only obfuscate it with locals and concatenation |
| 02:36.51 | Antiarc | Yeah, I'd just concat strings and stuff |
| 02:37.14 | Antiarc | olafski: A very sleight vestage of good hanging on for dear life |
| 02:37.34 | Antiarc | Tempted to post a "post your best novelty macros!" thread too. |
| 02:37.44 | Antiarc | Because you KNOW some tard is going to copy-paste them all |
| 02:38.41 | fl1st4r | just did it on illidan |
| 02:38.48 | fl1st4r | ^^ 6 pm wtf |
| 02:38.52 | Antiarc | hahahah |
| 02:40.47 | Lunessa | l-a-w-l |
| 02:41.02 | Antiarc | There's a cvar that sets an offset for your character's camera origin |
| 02:41.08 | Lunessa | Antiarc: We know you're an evil bastard and we mostly still respect you. :P Dooooo eeeet |
| 02:41.11 | Antiarc | So your origin can be like 10 feet off to your character's right |
| 02:41.20 | Antiarc | It's annoying as hell and I can't find it |
| 02:41.24 | ZorbaBeta | man, why would that cvar even exist? |
| 02:41.41 | Antiarc | I found it when punching in output from "strings wow.exe" a few patches back |
| 02:41.51 | Antiarc | ZorbaBeta: It's a setting for vehicles or somesuch |
| 02:42.05 | Antiarc | Ever noticed how the camera origin changes to some weird settings sometimes when you're in a vehicle? |
| 02:42.13 | ZorbaBeta | ah, that makes some sense |
| 02:42.14 | Antiarc | Maybe it's not a cvar, I don't quite remember |
| 02:42.15 | olafski | yeah like when you're with that giant on the sons of hodir questline |
| 02:42.18 | olafski | snorri or somesuch |
| 02:42.18 | Antiarc | But there's a setting for it somewhere |
| 02:42.21 | Antiarc | Right. |
| 02:42.27 | Antiarc | The camera origin becomes very non-intuitive |
| 02:42.40 | Antiarc | Now take that effect, except put the origin in an intentionally obnoxious place. |
| 02:42.44 | Antiarc | And leave it there for good. |
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| 02:43.00 | Antiarc | Instant nerdrage. |
| 02:45.08 | Lunessa | Instant CoD:german Fat Kid video |
| 02:45.27 | Lopeppeppy | Numa numa |
| 02:46.07 | NightHawkTheSane | http://i.imgur.com/bQtWk.jpg |
| 02:46.24 | Antiarc | The camera movement functions are fun, though. It'd be fun to build an addon that gave you various camera controls, so you could do a slow spiral around/down your character, or somesuch |
| 02:48.39 | Antiarc | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhHS7ykWtr0 |
| 02:49.49 | NightHawkTheSane | nice |
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| 02:51.55 | olafski | that sounds quite nice actually antiarc |
| 02:52.24 | Antiarc | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:52.25 | Antiarc | Ooooh. |
| 02:52.34 | Antiarc | Single-player JRPG-style victory screens. |
| 02:52.36 | Antiarc | That sounds like FUN. |
| 02:52.47 | Antiarc | Totally useless of couse. |
| 02:52.51 | Antiarc | But it would be fun! |
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| 02:53.34 | olafski | well, just pressing some button to sort of put up a "screensaver" of your char, which resets the camera back to its original position when you start moving or something |
| 02:56.38 | Antiarc | yeah |
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| 03:16.26 | olafski | quick q.. do gems require a minimum level? |
| 03:16.34 | olafski | or can I put the lvl 80 epic gems in my lvl 62 goggles |
| 03:20.37 | Bruners | you can |
| 03:20.51 | olafski | cool |
| 03:20.58 | olafski | my lock will be pleased |
| 03:35.37 | NightHawkTheSane | http://projectkickass.com/1677/ |
| 03:39.26 | Shirik | how to know you really screwed up: tail -n 200 log still doesn't show you the first line of the error message |
| 03:39.34 | Shirik | (and the last line is the error message) |
| 03:39.42 | ScytheBlade1 | gj |
| 03:39.50 | ScytheBlade1 | The failboat has set sail |
| 03:40.46 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:40.56 | Shirik | have you seen my aweeeesome setup? |
| 03:41.33 | ScytheBlade1 | 23:39 < ScytheBlade1> The failboat has set sail |
| 03:41.37 | ScytheBlade1 | (no) |
| 03:43.26 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/4ec4282ee45467c24a3935daa73a9fdb.png |
| 03:43.33 | Shirik | Do you recognize the UI? |
| 03:43.43 | ScytheBlade1 | .... |
| 03:43.54 | ScytheBlade1 | You're terrible |
| 03:43.58 | NightHawkTheSane | i want this kind of orange juice http://imgur.com/gallery/X4gWp |
| 03:44.09 | Shirik | :D |
| 03:44.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Really, that bugs me |
| 03:44.42 | ScytheBlade1 | It is WAY too long for a shell prompt |
| 03:45.00 | ScytheBlade1 | [kyle@laptop ~]$ |
| 03:45.06 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ short, simple, has what I want |
| 03:45.09 | Shirik | my root one isn't as crazy |
| 03:45.19 | Shirik | li23-154 spambot # |
| 03:45.25 | ScytheBlade1 | The part where you have one that long at all means you should be injured |
| 03:45.32 | Corrodias | why do you need the username and computer name, especially? |
| 03:45.39 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: But it's Trade Wars!~ |
| 03:46.00 | ScytheBlade1 | because on my linux boxes, it is somewhat critical that I know which console is controlling what |
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| 03:46.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Given that I have.. 6 of them |
| 03:46.17 | AbsolutRayne | Evening :) |
| 03:46.24 | Shirik | really whenever I'm doing something productive, I won't be on this account anyway :) |
| 03:46.37 | ScytheBlade1 | And currently have about 5 konsole tabs open now doing various things |
| 03:46.39 | NightHawkTheSane | when you're ssh'd into one of several machines, username & computer name are important :( |
| 03:46.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 03:46.48 | Shirik | rm -rf / |
| 03:46.50 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 03:46.51 | Shirik | wrong box |
| 03:46.53 | Shirik | my bad |
| 03:46.57 | Iriel | When I used to do a lot of admin work i'd have a 2 line prompt, with host, username, and pwd on the first line |
| 03:47.00 | Iriel | it saved a lot of 'lives' |
| 03:47.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I've seen that too |
| 03:47.36 | Shirik | the second line on those is usually just # or $ or whatever |
| 03:47.37 | Shirik | % |
| 03:47.41 | Shirik | fotm character |
| 03:47.45 | Iriel | Yeah, the 2nd line was basically $ |
| 03:48.11 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, alternatively.... |
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| 03:48.32 | ScytheBlade1 | stop |
| 03:48.34 | ScytheBlade1 | ask yourself |
| 03:48.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Do *I* really want to see this? |
| 03:48.47 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 03:50.14 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/a5cb81a74e9f1707fb534096ec989ccd.png |
| 03:50.30 | Shirik | Shows both my root login (I think that would be ok by you) and my fish login |
| 03:50.49 | ScytheBlade1 | two things |
| 03:50.53 | ScytheBlade1 | one, you need a shorter username |
| 03:50.58 | ScytheBlade1 | two, set a proper hostname already :( |
| 03:50.59 | Shirik | nah |
| 03:51.02 | Shirik | nah nah |
| 03:51.32 | Shirik | oh and you'll love this one ScytheBlade1 |
| 03:51.56 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/e83cd06c019dacc019ed646d3dae7802.png |
| 03:52.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I give up |
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| 03:52.39 | Shirik | actually, believe it or not, the last image I gave you |
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| 03:52.52 | Shirik | happens to be one of the best, and most readable, avionics displays right now |
| 03:54.09 | Shirik | why do you hate me ScytheBlade1 :( |
| 03:54.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Because you're insane |
| 03:54.39 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:54.46 | Shirik | did you actually look at the last picture? |
| 03:55.03 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 03:55.07 | Shirik | you don't like it? |
| 03:55.07 | ScytheBlade1 | You're insane |
| 03:55.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Full stop |
| 03:55.29 | Shirik | I'm not kidding, really. It is far superior to the 50 indicators pilots have to look at now |
| 03:55.52 | Shirik | because it is designed in a precise way such that your eyes naturally read it |
| 03:56.03 | Shirik | your eyes were not made to read 50 indicators, they were made to read surroundings |
| 03:58.21 | Shirik | totally random topic, perhaps Iriel can help |
| 03:58.29 | Shirik | I have a design conundrum |
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| 03:59.20 | Iriel | Ooh, I like conundrums |
| 03:59.32 | Shirik | I have this great design and I'm so close to perfecting it |
| 03:59.50 | Shirik | but you're going to hate it because it does a lot of things Java can't do |
| 03:59.56 | Shirik | but try to ignore that because that's not where the problem is :) |
| 04:00.09 | batrick | o ya |
| 04:00.41 | Iriel | The world isn't wholly defined by java 8-) |
| 04:00.44 | Iriel | Even if it should be |
| 04:00.45 | Iriel | (J/K) |
| 04:00.59 | Shirik | Here is my design: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/f9f2141404134daba78e5b7f9f13cf7b.jpg |
| 04:01.09 | Shirik | ignore the majority of it. Focus on IDatabase and IQuery |
| 04:01.26 | Shirik | so someone might have an IQuery object which is basically an encapsulated request, such as an "INSERT" query |
| 04:01.41 | Shirik | The same person might have a IDatabase object which they will thus want to give the query to |
| 04:02.26 | Shirik | We need some way for the query object to actually perform the action |
| 04:02.52 | Shirik | but we can't expose a public IDatabase function that takes a string as an SQL query, because we don't want someone with an IDatabase going "Oh look I can just run this query manually!" |
| 04:03.10 | Shirik | but if we don't do that, how does the IQuery object communicate with the IDatabase object to actually perform its action? |
| 04:03.47 | Iriel | I guess I wouldn't expect that the iQuery creates the SQL representation |
| 04:04.17 | Shirik | well, that's the purpose of ToString right now |
| 04:04.19 | Iriel | I'd expect the IDatabase to use some kind of helper to convert the IQuery object tree into SQL, and then execute that |
| 04:04.37 | Iriel | But if the QUERY is the thing that encodes its SQL, what's it really giving you? |
| 04:04.40 | Shirik | I was trying to avoid giving knowledge of what an IQuery object was to the IDatabase |
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| 04:05.00 | Shirik | abstraction - SQL isn't as standard as it should be |
| 04:05.10 | Iriel | That's fair enough, but then why are you trying to protect IDatabase from arbitrary SQL? |
| 04:05.21 | Iriel | Afterall, I could just make my own IQuery that returns the SQL I want |
| 04:05.22 | Shirik | heh, that's a good point tbh |
| 04:05.36 | Shirik | I guess I just felt it unclean to expose that |
| 04:05.47 | Iriel | Here's the question to ask yourself... |
| 04:05.48 | Bruners | can you get a license to make moonshine in the US ? |
| 04:06.05 | Iriel | Does IQuery exist to simplify the creation of SQL for queries |
| 04:06.27 | Iriel | Or does IQuery exist to decouple the specification and intent of a query from the database representation necessary to perform it |
| 04:07.19 | Shirik | primarily the second, though the first would be a nice side effect |
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| 04:07.35 | Iriel | Then You've got to move the SQL creation out of IQuery |
| 04:07.55 | Shirik | yeah I've been noticing that as well |
| 04:08.10 | Shirik | I hit a wall that I decided to ignore when I realized "well I need to pass in a creation strategy or something" |
| 04:08.13 | Iriel | You could make a standard implementation of an IQuery -> SQL, maybe parameterized for different DB idioms |
| 04:08.26 | Iriel | Your IDatabase would need to have a strategy it trusted |
| 04:08.44 | Iriel | which would reject any IQuery (or child) object types it didn't recognize (or explicitly doesn't support) |
| 04:11.09 | Shirik | this makes sense |
| 04:15.29 | Iriel | I have a somewhat similar approach in some code I wrote for batch image processing for the web, there's a logical representation of the required operations (as an object tree), then there's a executor which converts that into a set of commands to run to achieve the result |
| 04:16.24 | Shirik | yeah I'm just trying to think of how you could abstractly represent something like that |
| 04:16.26 | Iriel | So for example I have an implementation that creates shell command lines to run the various pnm tools |
| 04:16.46 | Iriel | ISqlGenerationStrategy |
| 04:16.53 | Shirik | I think perhaps the alternative approach might be to create a mediator |
| 04:16.55 | Iriel | String getSql(IQuery query) |
| 04:17.04 | Iriel | or maybe better still |
| 04:17.12 | Iriel | SqlQuery getSqlQuery(IQuery query) |
| 04:17.28 | Iriel | where SqlQuery encapsulates the string SQL, as well as metadata about the parameters their types, etc |
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| 04:21.43 | Shirik | still I'm not quite sure how the strategy could get the information it needs, unless I guess it checks every class itself |
| 04:22.05 | Shirik | but that seems like extreme coupling |
| 04:22.54 | Shirik | this shouldn't be this hard >< lol |
| 04:23.02 | Shirik | I think I have too many conflicting desires |
| 04:23.31 | Shirik | oh, are you advocating that the strategy be passed in to the query? |
| 04:23.44 | Shirik | and then the query works with the strategy to build the string? |
| 04:24.02 | Shirik | hm, no it doesn't look like that |
| 04:24.35 | Shirik | But what I was thinking a while ago was I could pass a strategy in to the query and it could use functions in there to build the query, but it would be quite restricted on adaptibility |
| 04:24.56 | Shirik | a strategy which takes a query would be much more adaptable, but would have trouble getting the information it needs to actually build the query |
| 04:29.56 | Iriel | I was suggesting that the database has the strategy, internally |
| 04:30.18 | Iriel | As long as you're trying to "protect" the database from queries it doesn't trust, you have to go that way |
| 04:30.40 | Shirik | I'm not really worried about that too much; that was more of just for cleanliness |
| 04:30.54 | Shirik | we have no security issues, etc., here, it's just a matter of making people not tempted to run arbitrary SQL |
| 04:31.00 | Shirik | s/people/developers/ |
| 04:31.01 | Iriel | There's obviously nothing WRONG with giving the query the means to turn itself into SQL, but if you do that then you've got to give up the notion that the databasehas any real protection. |
| 04:31.25 | Shirik | I'm willing to admit it has no real protection :) |
| 04:31.30 | Iriel | Well, the question is, what is the chance that a developer would implement an IQuery that just returns an arbitrary SQL clause as its ToString |
| 04:32.05 | Iriel | It may be enough to make it sufficiently simple to NOT do that such that the path of least resistance is the one you want developers to use 8-) |
| 04:32.31 | Iriel | On the other hand, putting the strategy inside the database, and leaving IQuery as simply a logical representation of a thing you'd like to do, allows you to support non-standard or non-SQL databases. |
| 04:32.53 | Shirik | right |
| 04:32.58 | Shirik | and that's something that would be extremely beneficial |
| 04:33.11 | Shirik | we're actually moving from a non-SQL database to an SQL database right now, so it's not unthinkable that we would go back |
| 04:33.24 | Shirik | we just took this opportunity to make a far superior system at the same time |
| 04:34.03 | Shirik | I just don't see a way to actually interpret the queries without a huge amount of coupling, unfortunately |
| 04:34.29 | Shirik | allowing the queries to produce SQL on their own means all the database needs to know about is IQuery |
| 04:34.42 | Iriel | Well, IQuery becomes a public API so tp speak |
| 04:34.59 | Shirik | Here's the problem I think. The two conflicting goals: Don't allow arbitrary SQL, but allow arbitrary operations to be created |
| 04:35.02 | Iriel | and obviously you're going to have strong coupling to SQL to USE SQL, btu that's hidden behind the database |
| 04:35.13 | Iriel | Yeah, that's going to be a world of hurt 8-) |
| 04:35.44 | Shirik | But it would be very beneficial to abstract the operation from the IQuery object because of the possibility of moving away from an SQL database (or simply moving to one with a different syntax) |
| 04:36.31 | Shirik | maybe I'm just thinking about this too hard or overdesigning |
| 04:37.27 | Iriel | Wouldn't be the first time i'm sure 8-) |
| 04:37.51 | Shirik | I generally try to make things extremely abstract and loosely coupled |
| 04:38.07 | Shirik | however sometimes I think I have a very pessimistic view of the world and end up abstracting way more than is worth |
| 04:42.55 | Shirik | actually |
| 04:43.06 | Shirik | perhaps a visitor pattern is appropriate here |
| 04:43.27 | Shirik | nah not exactly |
| 04:43.30 | Shirik | lol |
| 04:43.43 | Shirik | I think I might take your idea of having the strategy in the database itself |
| 04:43.48 | Iriel | That'd be a potential implementation of the stratrgy + query builder |
| 04:44.15 | Iriel | It really depends how you want the IQuery to expose its structure to whatever constructs the underlying query |
| 04:44.41 | Bruners | Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUm9xnJPnyw |
| 04:52.23 | Shirik | I might have a solution |
| 04:52.26 | Shirik | yay interfaces |
| 04:53.44 | clever | Shirik: what about running the untrusted sql under a seperate mysql username? |
| 04:53.47 | Shirik | CSQLiteDatabase implements IDatabase, we know that already. Then CSQLiteDatabase also has a private inner class which implements IDatabaseOperationStrategy |
| 04:53.52 | clever | so you can use the mysql perms to limit what they do |
| 04:54.19 | Shirik | (1) I'm not using mysql, (2) The DBMS I have does not have users, (3) I'm not worried about security in that sense |
| 04:54.39 | Shirik | so we have IDatabaseOperationStrategy which is fed to the IQuery during execution |
| 04:54.41 | clever | i was just thinking of disabling write and maybe read on a few things |
| 04:55.18 | Shirik | IDatabaseOperationStrategy has things like StartTransaction(), CommitTransaction(), ExecuteSelect(which takes a bunch of table names, fields, and conditions), etc. |
| 04:55.42 | Shirik | the IQuery picks out the appropriate functions tocall in IDatabaseOperationStrategy |
| 04:55.52 | Shirik | however these are never exposed to the person who has the IDatabase directly |
| 04:56.12 | Shirik | Of course you could always make an IQuery to do what you need to do, but that's kinda the intent |
| 04:56.39 | Shirik | I think this is what you were suggesting all along, Iriel, I just finally got it through my head or so |
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| 04:57.28 | Iriel | I'm not sure i'd have the IQuery drive that process, rather i'd expect the strategy to inspect the IQuery nodes and act accordingly, but both work - i'd just worry that it'll be harder to extend if IQuery is 'driving' |
| 04:58.07 | Iriel | but the general idea 'IQuery acts as a set of instructions that are followed to build the statement' is where I was going |
| 05:01.58 | Shirik | I worry about the strategy being coupled to all of the various implementations of IQuery in order to figure out how to do it |
| 05:02.17 | Shirik | (when going the other way around) |
| 05:02.50 | Iriel | That's certainly going to happen |
| 05:03.25 | Iriel | But you've either got to make the strategy know about all fhe IQuery components (which should be fairly well known in advance) *OR* all IQuery components have to know about all query assembly strategies (which likely isn't) |
| 05:03.46 | Iriel | I dont think there's an always right answer tho, it's whichever makes most sense for your problem set |
| 05:04.14 | Shirik | I think in the latter case I should be able to come up with a set of functions that are common across all database systems |
| 05:05.18 | Iriel | The nice thing is... |
| 05:05.22 | Iriel | If you choose wrong and have to re-do it |
| 05:05.28 | Iriel | Anyone who is USING your code doesn't have to know |
| 05:05.40 | Shirik | that's the most important part right now |
| 05:19.19 | Shirik | god I love C++ |
| 05:19.26 | Shirik | why doesn't Java let you do private inheritance and such |
| 05:20.41 | Shirik | and batrick's C is just lol |
| 05:22.53 | Adys | ~ping |
| 05:22.54 | purl | ~pong |
| 05:25.33 | clever | ZorbaBeta: might you be active? |
| 05:25.56 | Shirik | Adys |
| 05:25.58 | Shirik | you are not here |
| 05:26.03 | Shirik | you should call your ISP and complain |
| 05:26.18 | Adys | wa |
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| 05:37.12 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 05:37.18 | Shirik | where have you gone? |
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| 05:39.48 | robotusch | He's has gone to meet the great Fisherman in the sky |
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| 05:40.14 | robotusch | erh, He* |
| 05:46.48 | Wobin | Cairenn, http://www.flickr.com/photos/llgc/3467832779/ |
| 05:46.59 | Cairenn | lol |
| 05:51.27 | Duman | hmm |
| 06:00.13 | cog|away | hmm? |
| 06:00.23 | Shirik | tackles cogwheel |
| 06:00.28 | cogwheel | flees |
| 06:00.50 | Shirik | Wobin |
| 06:01.01 | Shirik | as the photo says, "Ceci n'est pas un pup" :P |
| 06:01.04 | Shirik | Are you french? |
| 06:02.51 | Wobin | It's not my photo |
| 06:02.53 | Wobin | as much as I |
| 06:02.58 | Wobin | 'd like it to be =) |
| 06:04.35 | Shirik | I........ just did something really broken |
| 06:04.41 | Shirik | cogwheel... have you ever had.... circular inheritance? |
| 06:04.47 | Shirik | I think something's wrong here |
| 06:04.59 | Shirik | oh I just read it wrong. It's just a diamond |
| 06:05.40 | Iriel | You're using virtual inheritance? |
| 06:05.49 | Iriel | (I think that's the right term, my C++ is VERY rusty) |
| 06:06.05 | Shirik | actually I took it away |
| 06:06.11 | Shirik | it was better with protected followed by private inheritance |
| 06:06.21 | Shirik | however I am using virtual inheritance elsewhere, yes |
| 06:06.31 | Shirik | if you look back at that diagram, look a little bit below IQuery :) |
| 06:06.44 | Shirik | that's the part I expected you to scold me for |
| 06:06.56 | Shirik | However it's actually a very useful c++ design pattern known as a mixin |
| 06:06.57 | Iriel | I hadn't gotten that deep 8-) |
| 06:07.15 | Iriel | I sort of miss mixins, but too often they're done horribly wrong |
| 06:07.18 | bleeter | comments, anyone? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20677333297&sid=1&pageNo=2#38 |
| 06:07.32 | Shirik | they can be done quite wrong, yes |
| 06:08.06 | bleeter | post is basically asking if xrealms.org is breaking spirit of game, having per BG Vent servers so people can pug cross-realm BGs |
| 06:08.13 | Shirik | the part that annoys me is that VS issues a warning for doing it |
| 06:08.41 | bleeter | as currently there's no 'cross-realm battlegroup join battleground' |
| 06:09.05 | End | how the hell is that breaking spirit of the game? |
| 06:09.25 | Cruorsecuris_ | I use vent to modify my World of Warcraft raiding experience... |
| 06:10.15 | End | the only thing I can see is that it defeats WoW's ability to put premades against premades, but I don't even remember if WoW tries to do that |
| 06:11.37 | Taroven | ...why the Ubuntu IRC uses the same nickserv as Freenode, I shall never know, but it does get annoying. =P |
| 06:12.17 | bleeter | Taroven: probably because they're on the same IRC network |
| 06:12.39 | Taroven | bleeter: Judging from present experience, wouldn't doubt it one bit. |
| 06:12.39 | bleeter | d/on/ |
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| 06:17.45 | Taroven | Ugh... need to redo the formatting on an 80-line long table. >.< |
| 06:18.27 | Taroven | Apparently {['String'] = {['String2'] = 'String3'} doesn't work very well. |
| 06:18.27 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:18.41 | Shirik | doesn't work very well without a closing } no |
| 06:18.58 | Taroven | Heh, typed too fast |
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| 06:19.06 | Shirik | otherwise that looks fine to me, what's wrong with it? |
| 06:20.11 | Taroven | The loop I'm trying to write to access all 3 strings. |
| 06:21.01 | Taroven | No big deal, just gonna do {['String'] = {'String2','String3'}}, easier to look at anyway. |
| 06:22.03 | bleeter | End: dunno, Blizz banned a bunch of folks for doing it in Arena, so I figured it was bad /shrug |
| 06:23.09 | Yssaril | bleeter i know of some groups that have done this since the creation of cross server BG's |
| 06:23.32 | Yssaril | was quite fun back in the day 10-15min AVs all day long |
| 06:24.00 | bleeter | I'm not saying right or wrong, just... odd. and also, pointing out to those CSF regulars that they've totally failed reading comprehension 101 ;) |
| 06:24.02 | Taroven | Shirik: 3 mass find/replaces later, fixed. ^_^ |
| 06:33.24 | Taroven | Do have a question though: Now that my table's accessible in a sane manner, I need to match two unordered variables against that table in order to find a match. For example... |
| 06:35.27 | Taroven | Blah, can't even type |
| 06:35.36 | Taroven | I'll just run through the pil till I find something that'll work. =P |
| 06:35.39 | Shirik | you know what, people criticize design up front for being overwork |
| 06:36.03 | Shirik | but this defect in my design was corrected in 3 hours instead of wasting 20 hours, then realizing it in implementation and having to redo it |
| 06:38.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: people who critisize designing havn't had to refactor a large project halfway through :( |
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| 06:48.54 | End | Fixing .NET install errors is such a pain >:( |
| 06:48.56 | Shirik | This is what I ended up with, Iriel, if you were curious http://images.gammatester.com/pics/4baa5125ee8a311170be2f68e50a779d.jpg |
| 06:49.06 | Shirik | The magic is in IDatabaseOperationStrategy |
| 06:50.40 | Shirik | a user passes an IQuery to IDatabase::Execute() whose implementation sends off its IDatabaseOperationStrategy to IQuery::Execute(). I debated between letting CSQLiteDatabase use private inheritance instead of making the CSQLiteOperationStrategy class, but S&A say "prefer composition to inheritance" and I agree with them |
| 06:51.25 | Shirik | oh CSQLiteOperationStrategy is supposed to be a private inner class of CSQLiteDatabase |
| 07:04.18 | clever | ive got a ui frame with some custom text, but how do i allow the user to move it? |
| 07:04.31 | clever | all clicks just go thru it like it doesnt exist |
| 07:10.43 | Shirik | did you call EnableMouse on it? |
| 07:12.16 | clever | nope, wasnt shure what that did |
| 07:12.20 | clever | let me check the manuals |
| 07:13.18 | clever | it appears to allow it to intercept mouse events, but will that automaticaly allow moving? |
| 07:14.15 | clever | Shirik: testing.... |
| 07:14.31 | Shirik | no |
| 07:14.43 | Shirik | you need to call StartMoving and StopMovingOrSizing |
| 07:14.48 | Shirik | or something like that |
| 07:15.01 | clever | ah, when i detect clicks |
| 07:15.24 | clever | i'm guessing i'll need to register an event and handle it in the event function |
| 07:15.45 | clever | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/StartMoving |
| 07:15.47 | Shirik | OnMouseDown and OnMouseReleased or something |
| 07:16.01 | NightHawkTheSane | theres a nice howto on wowwiki i believe |
| 07:16.08 | clever | i can grep that function out of other addons and see how they do it |
| 07:16.43 | clever | found an 'example' in tourguide |
| 07:17.00 | clever | ahh, isnt part of the OnEvent script |
| 07:17.08 | clever | atleast not the way they are doing it |
| 07:21.19 | clever | it works! |
| 07:27.11 | bleeter | ♺ @themolk: I dont care if they do it in America, in Australia you look like a tool. A tool that's not getting my lollies #Halloween #grinch |
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| 07:38.39 | NightHawkTheSane | guildie after WG ends: "Did we win?" |
| 07:38.51 | NightHawkTheSane | other guildie: "He asks that after sex, too." |
| 07:44.45 | Thunder_Child | obviously they were playing correctly |
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| 07:57.54 | Wobin | man |
| 07:58.00 | Wobin | it's hard to find waypoints in Torchlight |
| 07:59.46 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 07:59.54 | Thunder_Child | they are always at the end of a level |
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| 08:05.54 | Wobin | aha |
| 08:05.56 | Wobin | damn |
| 08:06.00 | Wobin | I need a Deckard Cain |
| 08:06.10 | Wobin | I spend most cash on ID scrolls =P |
| 08:06.24 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 08:06.26 | Shirik | a what? |
| 08:06.33 | nevcairiel | ~failrik |
| 08:06.34 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 08:06.38 | Shirik | :( |
| 08:06.43 | Wobin | I do like how the town music is related somewhat to the Tristam music |
| 08:06.58 | nevcairiel | how can you not know deckard cain! |
| 08:06.58 | Wobin | You have quite a treasure in that there Horadric Cube! |
| 08:07.22 | Wobin | The -STAFF- of -KINGS-! You -ASTOUND- me Hero! |
| 08:07.39 | nevcairiel | bad wobin, now i want to play again :( |
| 08:07.56 | Wobin | Play Torchlight instead =) |
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| 08:08.29 | nevcairiel | I want to play D3 |
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| 08:15.02 | Thunder_Child | torchlight is really good nevcairiel |
| 08:15.22 | Thunder_Child | Wobin, i have like 40K doing nothing |
| 08:15.34 | nevcairiel | mm maybe i should try it |
| 08:15.38 | Thunder_Child | i never spend money, except maybe to enchant |
| 08:33.39 | Shirik | error C2471: cannot update program database 'c:\users\mpdelbuono\documents\code\idea\database\debug\vc90.pdb' |
| 08:33.41 | Shirik | o.O |
| 08:35.15 | Fisker | Shirik you just ordered 40000 liters of water |
| 08:35.22 | Shirik | sweet |
| 08:35.25 | Shirik | wash down all this milk |
| 08:35.42 | zenzelezz | vi forsår hinanden ikke |
| 08:36.01 | zenzelezz | +t |
| 08:39.12 | Wobin | zomg |
| 08:39.18 | Wobin | these fletchette traps are awesome |
| 08:39.22 | Wobin | I don't have to do a thing |
| 08:39.50 | zenzelezz | so how many flechettes have you trapped so far? |
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| 08:42.46 | smcn | lol |
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| 08:51.13 | Shirik | JIRA doesn't trust me at all... http://images.gammatester.com/pics/2a9e753515dc343e9227db9cada45b36.png |
| 08:51.24 | Shirik | It's the very beginning of the iteration and it's already saying I should double my estimates |
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| 08:57.51 | Torhal | Shirik: Perhaps you're more productive than it's seen on average, so your chances of burnout, in its estimation, are greater? |
| 08:58.05 | Shirik | ha |
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| 08:59.51 | zenzelezz | so did you figure out the pdb thing? |
| 09:00.29 | Shirik | I restarted visual studio |
| 09:00.33 | Shirik | and it worked |
| 09:00.58 | zenzelezz | locked file perhaps? |
| 09:02.33 | Shirik | maybe |
| 09:04.38 | Torhal | Fisker: Are you inebriated by the exuberance of your own verbosity? |
| 09:05.28 | Shirik | are you? o.o |
| 09:06.29 | Torhal | Shirik: The wording was part of the joke. An old GF's brother told me that about 19 years ago :) |
| 09:06.43 | Shirik | 19 o.o |
| 09:06.44 | Fisker | lets out a huge fart |
| 09:07.15 | Torhal | Shirik: I are ancient. Rawr. And cough. |
| 09:07.25 | Shirik | uh |
| 09:07.37 | Shirik | Does anyone else feel like Torhal == Lopeppeppy right now? |
| 09:07.44 | Torhal | Hah |
| 09:07.49 | Torhal | Not EVEN. |
| 09:07.52 | Shirik | seriously |
| 09:07.56 | Torhal | She's the epitome of female. |
| 09:07.56 | Shirik | Cairenn? |
| 09:08.02 | Cairenn | Shirik |
| 09:08.02 | zenzelezz | to some degree, yes |
| 09:08.04 | Torhal | I am most definitely not. |
| 09:08.08 | Shirik | (05:07:07) (Torhal) Shirik: I are ancient. Rawr. And cough. |
| 09:08.18 | Cairenn | oh shut up, puppies |
| 09:08.21 | Shirik | Is that not something Lopeppeppy would say? Like verbatim? |
| 09:08.21 | nevcairiel | 5? get some sleep |
| 09:08.23 | Torhal | ROFL |
| 09:08.43 | Cairenn | but yes, that's something Peppy would say |
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| 09:08.54 | Torhal | nevcairiel: Shirik is vampire-kin. |
| 09:09.19 | Shirik | to be perfectly honest, I'm just waiting for the sun to come up |
| 09:09.28 | Shirik | I don't want to walk half way across campus to my car when it's pitch black outside |
| 09:09.30 | nevcairiel | also only 5 hours difference? wtf happend to timezones |
| 09:09.34 | nevcairiel | are you still on DST? |
| 09:09.38 | Shirik | yes |
| 09:09.39 | Shirik | until sunday |
| 09:09.42 | nevcairiel | that explains it |
| 09:09.46 | nevcairiel | we switched last week |
| 09:10.20 | Torhal | Wow. DST is so fucked up as to not even be synchronized? I never knew until now. |
| 09:11.17 | nevcairiel | i believe they synchronized it on continental europe, at least |
| 09:11.47 | Cairenn | it's off by a week this year, compared to previous, no idea why |
| 09:11.56 | Cairenn | we switch this weekend too |
| 09:12.50 | Fisker | it's really sweet btw |
| 09:12.55 | Shirik | Torhal |
| 09:13.01 | zenzelezz | I assumed it was based on some celestial type thing |
| 09:13.12 | Shirik | the US isn't even in agreement over whether or not DST should be done |
| 09:13.17 | Shirik | neither Indiana nor Arizona do it |
| 09:13.24 | Fisker | l2doit |
| 09:13.26 | zenzelezz | no-one is in agreement |
| 09:13.39 | Shirik | well I'm saying, one would at least think a country could agree on it |
| 09:13.41 | Cairenn | Alberta doesn't, either |
| 09:13.50 | Cairenn | iirc |
| 09:13.55 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: its always last full weekend in oct here |
| 09:14.08 | Shirik | DST is kinda pointless anyway |
| 09:14.24 | Fisker | i need and/or want you Shirik |
| 09:14.31 | Shirik | k |
| 09:15.33 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: now that you mention it, I think it is here too. I only ever pick up on it from the news |
| 09:16.33 | Torhal | Shirik: Once every State of the U.S. agrees on everything, I'll swim to another country if need be. |
| 09:17.06 | Fisker | i hope you get eaten alive by a shark then |
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| 09:17.30 | Torhal | Fisker: I was lying. I would, in reality, hide away and rail against the universe, much as you do now. |
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| 09:27.08 | Wobin | Would you be drinking your store of over a thousand litres of milk, like Fisker will be soon? |
| 09:41.48 | tekkub | so anyone here got access to the idemise guides? |
| 09:42.08 | tekkub | I think they've started using TourGuide... more specifically modifying it without my permission |
| 09:43.42 | clever | ive noticed that lately TG is making use of tomtom |
| 09:43.50 | Wobin | ... |
| 09:43.54 | Wobin | wow, that looks... similar |
| 09:44.42 | Wobin | "It's Just Like Your Own Tour Guide, Telling You Where To Go Next!" |
| 09:44.43 | Wobin | >< |
| 09:44.56 | Wobin | So, how are they modifying it? |
| 09:45.17 | Wobin | Jesus christ. $47? |
| 09:45.25 | clever | :O |
| 09:45.34 | clever | how many rules is that so far? |
| 09:45.41 | clever | 1, addons must be free |
| 09:45.47 | clever | 2, you say its stolen code |
| 09:46.08 | Wobin | where does it say that? |
| 09:46.23 | Wobin | And 'technically' |
| 09:46.26 | Wobin | they're selling the guide |
| 09:46.31 | Wobin | not the addon |
| 09:46.35 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 09:46.57 | clever | Wobin: on one of the first pages about how to make addons, its a rule blizard made |
| 09:47.00 | Wobin | turns back to the Dairy Association's website after entering Fisker's address in. |
| 09:47.10 | Wobin | clever, no, where does it say it's stolen? |
| 09:47.42 | clever | Wobin: so far, tekkub is saying that |
| 09:47.49 | clever | and your agreeing that it looks similar |
| 09:47.57 | Wobin | indeed |
| 09:48.09 | Wobin | but there's nothing in that shot that indicates any changes to the addon |
| 09:48.26 | clever | so he could be selling a free and unmodified product |
| 09:48.31 | tekkub | I don't KNOW if they're modifying it or what |
| 09:48.39 | tekkub | that's why I'm asking if anyone has access |
| 09:48.41 | Wobin | but again, he's technically selling the 'guide' not the addon |
| 09:48.42 | clever | posible with the addition of a installer.exe to 'help' the idiots |
| 09:48.44 | clever | and slip in key loggers:P |
| 09:49.28 | Wobin | PAYMENT: 53.30 AUD |
| 09:49.33 | Wobin | goddamn =P |
| 09:49.39 | Wobin | that's so not cheap >< |
| 09:50.01 | tekkub | why you think I"m asking if anyone already bought it? :P |
| 09:51.09 | Wobin | I like their Terms of Use |
| 09:51.26 | Wobin | clearly having no basis in legal fact or right, makes no difference =P |
| 09:52.34 | clever | does it say anything about having to rub your boobies on the monitor every time you use it (if your female) ? :P |
| 09:52.52 | clever | hidden in the fine print of the legal contract you always agree to without reading |
| 09:53.05 | Wobin | Nah, it states that by -reading- the webpage, I'm liable to all their claims |
| 09:53.14 | clever | lol |
| 09:53.36 | clever | 'by reading this line, you are legaly forced to give me all your life savings' |
| 09:53.38 | clever | pay up! :P |
| 09:55.44 | tekkub | god you people got it all wrong |
| 09:56.05 | clever | i am a little short on sleep |
| 09:56.40 | tekkub | "by reading this letter out loud you have waived any resposinbility on our part in perpituity throughout the known universe" |
| 09:57.07 | clever | later:P |
| 09:57.16 | clever | and i always read things silent, so i dont have to do shit:P |
| 09:57.32 | tekkub | bah, you don't get it |
| 09:59.11 | krka | koala time! |
| 10:00.02 | Wobin | ...koala time? |
| 10:00.12 | tekkub | is that like... |
| 10:00.14 | tekkub | nevermid |
| 10:00.31 | Torhal | Wobin: Fuck milk. I use anti-freeze coolant in my cereal, gorram it! |
| 10:00.50 | Wobin | Torhal, your cereal often freezes, eh? |
| 10:01.00 | Torhal | Wobin: Nevar! |
| 10:01.07 | Wobin | well, I guess |
| 10:01.11 | Wobin | cause of the antifreeze |
| 10:01.55 | Torhal | You guessed correctly! Now, door one, two, or three? |
| 10:02.24 | Torhal | Fisker: You're slacking. So much so that I'm trolling in your territory. |
| 10:02.37 | Torhal | Noonch. |
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| 10:14.39 | Joan | can You help me please? |
| 10:14.52 | Joan | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.52 | Joan | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.52 | Joan | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.52 | Joan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:51.24 | Shirik | stabs crappy UML programs |
| 10:51.42 | nevcairiel | sadly i don't know any non-crappy |
| 10:51.59 | Shirik | this program refuses to let me make a new function because it thinks the function signature is the same |
| 10:52.07 | Shirik | what it fails to realize is THE WORLD DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND JAVA |
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| 11:01.15 | nevcairiel | maybe your world doesnt! |
| 11:03.14 | zenzelezz | Shirik: does that mean that in Java the function signatures would be equal? |
| 11:03.27 | Shirik | well Java doesn't support the concept |
| 11:03.48 | Shirik | the function signatures were: Row* GetRow(int n) and const Row* GetRow(int n) const |
| 11:04.11 | Shirik | there's no concept of a const function in Java |
| 11:04.12 | zenzelezz | aga |
| 11:04.14 | zenzelezz | *aha |
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| 11:05.23 | zenzelezz | I'm getting the feeling that either a lot of Linode users use Ubuntu, or Linode themselves just really like Ubuntu |
| 11:05.31 | Shirik | I don't! |
| 11:06.03 | zenzelezz | I don't either |
| 11:06.19 | zenzelezz | but their Twitter is full of "Installing ... in Ubuntu" |
| 11:06.46 | nevcairiel | I don't have a linode, but my internet server is on debian |
| 11:07.06 | nevcairiel | stable, even! |
| 11:07.49 | nevcairiel | if i were to get a new one i would probably make it gentoo as well |
| 11:07.55 | nevcairiel | but debian isnt too bad as a server OS |
| 11:08.29 | zenzelezz | how not to calm the populace: tell them that "oops, 100 of you in <some town> got water instead of vaccine" |
| 11:09.17 | nevcairiel | you're not supposed to tell when you hand out placebos! |
| 11:09.28 | zenzelezz | well, it was unintentional in this case |
| 11:09.46 | zenzelezz | isn't Debain popular for servers? Or do people just stick to weird stuff like CentOS and whatnot? |
| 11:11.13 | Pneumatus | debian is pro for servers unless you need something cutting edge |
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| 11:13.27 | nevcairiel | Shirik: you setup jira before right? what could cause tomcat only coming up with a white page? i can't find it <.< |
| 11:13.37 | Shirik | that's a new one |
| 11:13.43 | Shirik | I've never had that happen before |
| 11:13.51 | Shirik | nothing in the logs? |
| 11:14.07 | Shirik | Usually tomcat at least says something like 404 or 500 or just "you suck" |
| 11:14.28 | zenzelezz | tomcat giving all white pages? I've never seen that before :-o Only huge stack traces |
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| 11:16.18 | nevcairiel | hm, are they really handing out jira for $10 if you only need 10 people? |
| 11:16.23 | nevcairiel | i must be missing something in that license |
| 11:21.52 | nevcairiel | apparently i'm not |
| 11:21.53 | nevcairiel | crazy |
| 11:21.56 | zenzelezz | "Several classes can use Quel'Delar, and the sword can fit several different play styles. For any class that is unable to wield it, however, the Sunreaver blood elves and the Silver Covenant high elves will gladly take this relic of their history in exchange for a usable weapon." |
| 11:22.05 | zenzelezz | nice, so all classes may want to fight over it x.x |
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| 11:28.57 | Torhal | zenzelezz: I suppose that's much, much preferable to the "Oops, 100 of you got liquid Lisergic Acid Diethylamide instead of vaccine." |
| 11:29.27 | zenzelezz | "Hey guys, we need a way to advertise our new cell phone. Any ideas?" "Hm... get some cheap actor and film him pretending to be singing." "Awesome!" |
| 11:29.59 | zenzelezz | fair enough I'm not trained in advertising, but I'm having a hard time seeing how such ads tell us anything at all about the product |
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| 11:32.30 | olafski | any word yet on where it will drop? |
| 11:33.23 | zenzelezz | it sounds like another reconstruction job, I'm guessing you'll be picking up pieces from bosses again or something similar |
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| 11:55.22 | Pneumatus | it reads a bit more like a cross between thunderfury and valanyr |
| 11:55.33 | Pneumatus | a few pieces to collect + a quest chain |
| 11:56.26 | zenzelezz | I can't seem to recall, Quel'Delar is going to be epic, not legendary, right? |
| 11:56.43 | olafski | I did the start of the questchain on the PTR and it took me to the pit of saron |
| 11:56.51 | olafski | that's where I stopped |
| 12:00.53 | olafski | so I'm hoping it'll drop in 5mans :) |
| 12:02.21 | zenzelezz | I keep confusing the Quel'Delar and the, what is it, Shadowmourne? Anyway, if QD is supposed to be the sister blade of QS, it wouldn't be unreasonable for the pieces to drop in 5-mans, and require a detour into a raid (10? 25?) to reforge it |
| 12:03.05 | zenzelezz | still remember when I got to tag along with a guild to Onyxia to do my QS quest, before I joined a raid guild |
| 12:06.12 | zenzelezz | after doing that, I ran off back to Dire Maul and had it completed, but since I was still in the raid they invited me to come along to AQ40 too. Felt like the king of cool until we entered and I realised "oh yeah, I haven't used 1h swords since forever", and had to go back to my blue axe :-p |
| 12:07.03 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 12:08.55 | nevcairiel | thats why i like playing a druid, screw weapon skill |
| 12:09.16 | nevcairiel | although i walked around getting the weapon skill achievements <.< |
| 12:09.51 | zenzelezz | achievements? I maxed out all my weapons kills (and that's a lot on a warrior) while I farmed the Wintersaber Trainer rep |
| 12:10.14 | zenzelezz | I do envy druids that part, but I like the play style of warriors |
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| 12:14.45 | Shirik | 2 days into the iteration |
| 12:14.57 | Shirik | Estimate at the beginning of the iteration: 20 hours. JIRA's current estimate: 41 hours. |
| 12:14.58 | Shirik | :( |
| 12:15.10 | Shirik | I need to not spend all night working on this stuff. It pisses off JIRA |
| 12:15.16 | Shirik | Anyway, night |
| 12:15.25 | zenzelezz | so what is JIRA? |
| 12:15.39 | Shirik | hm? I thought everyone here knew what JIRA was |
| 12:15.49 | Shirik | it's used all over the place by wow addons >.> |
| 12:15.51 | zenzelezz | I've heard the name |
| 12:16.02 | Shirik | at its very core it's just an issue tracking system |
| 12:16.06 | Shirik | but it's a lot more than that |
| 12:16.48 | Shirik | We use it for all planning, etc. in our project because it is very good at tasking, workflow, and time management |
| 12:17.31 | zenzelezz | that would explain why I'm not familiar with it |
| 12:17.50 | Shirik | ok, mcdonalds or krispy kreme for breakfast? |
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| 12:43.33 | Fisker | slaps Shirik|AFK around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:47.24 | Bruners | morning Fisker |
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| 13:03.15 | A-KO | lol |
| 13:03.23 | A-KO | anything that says "management" to me spells danger :P |
| 13:05.18 | A-KO | people who go into "management" should get shot IMO :P |
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| 13:20.07 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/dog34.jpg |
| 13:21.09 | Hobowarrior | morning all |
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| 13:47.35 | batrick | o ya |
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| 14:24.53 | ScytheBlade1 | random question - anyone used the citrix web client on linux x86-64? |
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| 14:33.49 | cbreak | 32 bit version doesn't run? |
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| 14:37.09 | ScytheBlade1 | no, I need libs |
| 14:37.14 | ScytheBlade1 | which I have :/ |
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| 14:44.55 | Industrial | hi. |
| 14:47.28 | zenzelezz | ohai |
| 14:48.56 | Industrial | What do you call 'selling product X for amount of time Y for less' or two for the price of one etc |
| 14:48.59 | Industrial | in english |
| 14:49.09 | Wobin | hehe |
| 14:49.15 | Wobin | 4 second pet town sell |
| 14:49.35 | Wobin | Industrial, "amount of time Y for less"? |
| 14:49.43 | Wobin | oh |
| 14:49.45 | Wobin | "bargain"? |
| 14:49.55 | Wobin | "Special"? |
| 14:50.14 | Industrial | special I guess, I need the word thy'll plaster all over their stores to lure you in |
| 14:50.27 | Wobin | "Sale" =) |
| 14:50.28 | Industrial | in dutch its literally the word action but thats incorrect |
| 14:51.42 | Fisker | you! |
| 14:51.46 | Fisker | I got you now Wobin |
| 14:52.21 | zenzelezz | limited time offer? |
| 14:52.45 | Industrial | offer, nice! thanks :P |
| 14:52.49 | Industrial | is naming database tables |
| 14:53.09 | Industrial | doing it in nonenglish sucks and naming the tabe action is misleading :P |
| 14:53.33 | Fisker | you guys suck |
| 14:53.35 | Fisker | it's "twofer" |
| 14:53.36 | Fisker | :3 |
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| 15:01.51 | Wobin | hm |
| 15:01.54 | Wobin | I need a dogfish |
| 15:01.57 | Wobin | I'm sick of the damn cat |
| 15:02.19 | Wobin | however, the 80% reduced pet town travel time shoulders are great |
| 15:06.50 | Fisker | torchlight sucks |
| 15:16.34 | nevcairiel | anyone have any expierence if using hardware virtualization or paravirtualization is faster? |
| 15:16.53 | nevcairiel | using vmware from a windows host |
| 15:17.34 | Lukian | hvm should be |
| 15:17.53 | Lukian | if your hardware (fully) supports it |
| 15:18.11 | nevcairiel | i "only" have a C2D, so it doesnt support the latest revision |
| 15:18.13 | Ginji | hardware accelleration is always faster |
| 15:18.27 | nevcairiel | not necessarily |
| 15:18.53 | Ginji | That's the whole point of having specific hardware |
| 15:19.09 | nevcairiel | if the kernel is smart enough it can take various shortcuts and safe alot of time, if it knows its running under a hypervisor |
| 15:19.37 | Ginji | Crappy software is crappy software |
| 15:20.05 | nevcairiel | somehow i guess you have no idea about virtualization :P |
| 15:20.13 | Fisker | hej? |
| 15:25.12 | Ginji | The fact that I don't know the ins and outs of hardware virtualisation doesn't mean my previous statement doesn't hold |
| 15:26.16 | Ginji | You have specific hardware for a specific goal, that hardware has the goal to make things run faster, ergo you use hardware if available |
| 15:28.23 | cbreak | things get faster if you do less or do more in the same time. |
| 15:28.27 | Fisker | But hardware virtualization is hardware? |
| 15:28.33 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 15:29.22 | cbreak | running something in a VM obviously won't do more in the same time, since the underlying hardware doesn't get faster |
| 15:29.22 | cbreak | and I doubt you can do less, since the end result is still required to be the same |
| 15:29.43 | cbreak | if you want to speed something up, improve algorithms or throw more hardware at the problem (both solutions are often related) |
| 15:29.50 | cbreak | (or reduce overhead) |
| 15:29.52 | nevcairiel | Ginji: its not like paravirtualisation does *not* run on hardware :P |
| 15:30.13 | nevcairiel | but if a complex kernel knows that it doesnt have to manage hardware, it can safe alot of processing, and let the hypervisor deal with it |
| 15:33.23 | zenzelezz | http://punditkitchen.com/2009/10/31/political-pictures-putin-hu-poison-drink/ |
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| 16:54.40 | Lopeppeppy | I can has trick or treats? |
| 16:55.24 | A-KO | I vote that halloween candy be changed to fruits and veggies |
| 16:55.29 | A-KO | to help curb obesity in the US |
| 16:55.49 | Lopeppeppy | Moderation in everything, A-KO, including moderation. |
| 16:55.50 | cbreak | or just stop celebrating those commercial holidays |
| 16:55.54 | Lopeppeppy | And there are fat porkers in every country. |
| 16:56.20 | zenzelezz | treats Lopeppeppy |
| 16:56.40 | A-KO | I'm completely bored today, it's muggy outside, and I'm not one for halloween parties :P (though I got invited). |
| 16:56.48 | A-KO | I think it's a day of doing laundry, ordering food, and playing video games |
| 16:57.07 | Lopeppeppy | that's your party then, enjoy it to the fullest. |
| 16:57.10 | A-KO | wasn't going to drive to Philadelphia for the 3rd time in a week just to go to a halloween party :P |
| 16:57.35 | Lopeppeppy | I'm going to a girlfriend's, we watch silly movies, hand out candy to kids, and then most of them will go out dancing at around 10. I do not do bars, so I head home. |
| 16:57.42 | cbreak | just wait a bit A-KO |
| 16:57.50 | cbreak | soon, parties can summon all their members |
| 16:57.55 | A-KO | lol |
| 16:57.59 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, that'll be awesome. :P |
| 16:58.10 | Lopeppeppy | It's a 40 minute drive to my girlfriend's. Living in the boonies has disadvantages. |
| 16:58.19 | A-KO | ouch |
| 16:59.35 | Lopeppeppy | I've got my grocery and takeout and stuff here in town, mall 15 minutes away, but the city is half-hour down the interstate. |
| 17:00.31 | cbreak | I have to take the bus for 20 mins too to the city... it's not that bad :) |
| 17:00.45 | cbreak | just watch an anime, read a book, listen to a podcast |
| 17:00.46 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: that's a good safety precaution in case of zombie attacks |
| 17:01.53 | Lopeppeppy | I'm pretty isolated from the first zombie wave, zenzelezz, although I'd flee to the ex in-laws place, it's much better. Private water and sewage and everything. |
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| 17:02.13 | A-KO | www.silohome.com |
| 17:02.18 | A-KO | best zombie protection place IMO |
| 17:02.59 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, it lacks the one thing I'd want to see, the secondary exit tunnel with trap-explosives. |
| 17:03.06 | cbreak | does it come with missile? |
| 17:03.39 | A-KO | played some l4d2 demo today :P finally |
| 17:03.42 | A-KO | seems fun |
| 17:03.44 | A-KO | melee weapons lol |
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| 17:48.28 | Arrowmaster | did gtalk go down? |
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| 17:54.33 | cbreak | what's gtalk? |
| 17:56.58 | ScytheBlade1 | google quest |
| 17:57.01 | ScytheBlade1 | err |
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| 17:57.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 17:57.02 | ScytheBlade1 | talk |
| 17:57.07 | ScytheBlade1 | stupid word transposition |
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| 18:05.07 | dear_light | >is there a utility to monitor a chat channel and then use it as an addon message channel since the sendaddonmessage doesnt work on a chat channel? |
| 18:07.37 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 18:08.09 | Ginji | dear_light: you're doing it wrong |
| 18:08.33 | dear_light | mmm i wonder since im looking for a global addon message system |
| 18:09.45 | Ginji | So, cross-client communication |
| 18:11.01 | dear_light | yes, without affected by drunkeness and having the utility manage being in the channel |
| 18:11.11 | ScytheBlade1 | dear_light: no, one does not exist (less things like chat channels) |
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| 18:13.25 | Ginji | If you want to have addons communicate you use SendAddonMessage |
| 18:13.57 | dear_light | thats not global though ^_~ |
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| 18:14.32 | Arrowmaster | thats the point, you dont need global |
| 18:14.52 | dear_light | to perform a search... i want it to be global |
| 18:15.03 | ScytheBlade1 | you have to use a public chat channel for that |
| 18:15.28 | dear_light | yes hence the question |
| 18:15.52 | Ginji | I still think you're doing it wrong |
| 18:16.25 | dear_light | then tell me if i want to make a public listing of events how to be able to have people search and have me respond with part of my list |
| 18:17.25 | cbreak | you can use whispers :) |
| 18:17.25 | NightHawkTheSane | whisper addon channel |
| 18:17.55 | dear_light | ah but if its a search i presume they would not have a list of people to whisper |
| 18:18.12 | Ginji | It's probably bad practice to broadcast to everyone on a realm ... |
| 18:18.17 | ScytheBlade1 | short answer: you don't do what you want to do |
| 18:18.17 | dear_light | think of trying to find a pug raid of aq40 sometime going on this week, would you know who had things planned? |
| 18:18.24 | cbreak | even if it's practicable |
| 18:18.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Not that you can't, but you /shouldn't/ |
| 18:18.32 | cbreak | you'd get spammed by the replies of the whole relam |
| 18:18.36 | cbreak | which would probably be bad |
| 18:18.46 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a fantastic way to get people knocked offline in droves |
| 18:18.48 | cbreak | just use your friends list |
| 18:18.57 | cbreak | people aren't trustworthy anyway |
| 18:19.05 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: probably yourself more than others :P |
| 18:19.08 | cbreak | so answers are potentially malicious |
| 18:19.19 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: "probably" sure ;) |
| 18:19.32 | Ginji | Use the friendslist and guild channel, if you want you could link with other guilds through people in your frienslist |
| 18:19.34 | dear_light | the only malicious thing i could see is the event doesnt happen |
| 18:19.47 | Dagmar | This is because you're not imaginative enough. |
| 18:19.53 | Ginji | dear_light: or people spamming the event list? |
| 18:19.54 | ScytheBlade1 | wrong |
| 18:19.56 | cbreak | or events that cause your code to "crash" |
| 18:19.58 | Ginji | making 300000 events? |
| 18:20.24 | dear_light | most servers top out at 1000 online at once |
| 18:20.33 | cbreak | or canceling events that will happen |
| 18:20.37 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahahaha |
| 18:20.39 | ScytheBlade1 | noooo sir |
| 18:20.43 | ScytheBlade1 | More like 35k |
| 18:20.59 | Ginji | Most deserted servers top at 1k players |
| 18:21.12 | Ginji | dead servers at around 300 |
| 18:21.32 | Ginji | I just made those numbers up btw |
| 18:21.36 | cbreak | my server has 17k alliance members |
| 18:21.44 | dear_light | online at once? |
| 18:21.50 | cbreak | no. |
| 18:21.56 | cbreak | that's the number of characters |
| 18:22.07 | Ginji | that are in the armory .. |
| 18:22.12 | ScytheBlade1 | In any case, a 5-digit figure is not out of the question |
| 18:23.18 | Ginji | So, you're doing it wrong |
| 18:24.29 | dear_light | mmm your not imagining filters i think |
| 18:24.39 | ScytheBlade1 | ....... |
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| 18:24.43 | ScytheBlade1 | So far past the point |
| 18:24.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone can send a query to a channel like that and have it replicate through the system |
| 18:25.15 | cbreak | dear_light: filters are impossible |
| 18:25.22 | cbreak | since you can not run your code on the server |
| 18:25.29 | cbreak | you WILL receive what other people send you |
| 18:25.39 | cbreak | even if it costs you your connection |
| 18:25.52 | Ginji | hehe, an addon that ddosses users in wow |
| 18:26.03 | ScytheBlade1 | It has happened before |
| 18:26.05 | dear_light | mmmm idk if you assign ids on login to people. i think it would be possible to limit queries to ranges and slowly compile the list |
| 18:26.06 | ScytheBlade1 | And still does happen |
| 18:26.09 | ScytheBlade1 | And people get booted offline |
| 18:26.25 | cbreak | dear_light: character names... |
| 18:26.26 | ScytheBlade1 | okay once more |
| 18:26.28 | ScytheBlade1 | It IS possible |
| 18:26.35 | ScytheBlade1 | It is NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE DONE. |
| 18:26.36 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 18:26.52 | dear_light | im just trying to think of possible ways to do it that wouldnt ddos |
| 18:27.01 | cbreak | easy. don't |
| 18:27.02 | dear_light | character names are poor ways to give ranges |
| 18:27.02 | NightHawkTheSane | there arent any. |
| 18:27.04 | ScytheBlade1 | well, long story short, you don't |
| 18:27.08 | Dagmar | dear_light: Take it from one of the people who are the reason IRC networks have NickServ and ChanServ. What you suggest is not safe. |
| 18:27.20 | cbreak | dear_light: it's a great way. Guaranteed unique |
| 18:27.36 | cbreak | non-fakeable |
| 18:27.37 | dear_light | guaranteed to be a pain to define ranges to grab 100 at a time |
| 18:27.49 | cbreak | you'd not do that anyway |
| 18:27.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: poke - is a server-wide addon comm channel a good idea, given your experience with simply *raid* wide comm? |
| 18:28.15 | cbreak | you'd say: I want the people who's name-hash modulo X is 0 |
| 18:28.18 | ScytheBlade1 | boo he isn't here |
| 18:28.22 | cbreak | then those with 1 |
| 18:28.24 | cbreak | and so on |
| 18:28.41 | cbreak | depending on how many slices you want |
| 18:29.29 | cbreak | but it's still dumb :) |
| 18:29.45 | dear_light | problem with that is proportions of those hashes are what you could request so you could possibly get 50+% of all users |
| 18:30.00 | cbreak | only if you use a crappy hash function |
| 18:30.03 | Ginji | the problem is you're still thinking about making the addon |
| 18:30.13 | Adys | http://failblog.org/2009/01/02/santa-fail/ |
| 18:30.21 | dear_light | or simply the % could be soo large by having a large number of users even 1% could be too many |
| 18:30.27 | dear_light | ginji ty for the help |
| 18:30.48 | Ginji | You need to go at it from a different perspective |
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| 18:31.21 | dear_light | im game for one if you can think of it |
| 18:31.23 | NightHawkTheSane | the mysql cli needs tab completion |
| 18:31.52 | Ginji | for example: "Who would I be willing to join for <random event>" |
| 18:32.11 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: postgres has it! |
| 18:32.12 | Ginji | Which leads to a friend list |
| 18:32.22 | Ginji | Or a a befriended guild |
| 18:32.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: neat! |
| 18:32.25 | dear_light | and if you are new to a server? |
| 18:32.31 | ScytheBlade1 | forums |
| 18:32.32 | ScytheBlade1 | chat channels |
| 18:32.36 | ScytheBlade1 | guild indexes |
| 18:32.46 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly, my finger will probably heal before i grt up yo speed in postgre |
| 18:32.49 | NightHawkTheSane | s |
| 18:32.49 | ScytheBlade1 | LFG |
| 18:32.56 | Ginji | There's a reason there's no "broadcast to everyone" channel |
| 18:33.42 | dear_light | cause lfg encompasses all sorts of things i want to do... not really |
| 18:34.03 | dear_light | perhaps the forums or a listing would be more useful somehow |
| 18:34.20 | Ginji | well, LFG is deprecated |
| 18:34.44 | Ginji | But the forums are the place for faction wide events |
| 18:34.45 | ScytheBlade1 | s/LFG?LFD/ |
| 18:34.47 | ScytheBlade1 | bah |
| 18:41.15 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 18:41.18 | Shirik | why so Fisker |
| 18:41.28 | Shirik | epic fail ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:41.30 | Shirik | that is all |
| 18:41.36 | cogwheel | Shirik: google didn't lend "Droid" to motorola... George Lucas sold it to them... |
| 18:41.49 | Shirik | yah I found that out recently :) |
| 18:42.10 | Shirik | interesting really |
| 18:42.26 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 18:42.29 | Fisker | want free TF2? |
| 18:42.35 | Shirik | no, I already have TF2 |
| 18:42.42 | Fisker | you fucking suck |
| 18:42.49 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:46.22 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 18:46.24 | Fisker | wanna make love? |
| 18:46.32 | Shirik | no, I already have love |
| 18:47.28 | ScytheBlade1 | http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/4030/dsc01660s.jpg |
| 18:47.30 | ScytheBlade1 | poor guy :( |
| 18:48.09 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:48.12 | Shirik | I like the option |
| 18:48.13 | Shirik | "Cancel" |
| 18:48.15 | Shirik | cancel the ban! |
| 18:48.42 | cogwheel | lol he's been rockB& |
| 18:48.58 | Shirik | but um, why is this so out of the ordinary ScytheBlade1? |
| 18:49.00 | Shirik | It's just a ban |
| 18:49.23 | nevcairiel | wtf do you do on an xbox to get banned |
| 18:49.27 | ScytheBlade1 | mostly I like the smiley |
| 18:49.29 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: mod it |
| 18:49.37 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 18:50.03 | ScytheBlade1 | do things like play games that have been leaked to torrent sites on live 3w before it is actually released |
| 18:50.06 | ScytheBlade1 | etc |
| 18:50.27 | Adys | http://failblog.org/2009/10/28/security-door-fail/ |
| 18:50.31 | Adys | deja vu |
| 18:51.08 | Shirik | what the hell? |
| 18:51.09 | cogwheel | O.o |
| 18:51.11 | Shirik | is that for real? |
| 18:51.21 | Dagmar | Yes |
| 18:51.21 | cogwheel | Shirik: look at the reflections on the concrete... |
| 18:51.31 | Dagmar | It's real. |
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| 18:52.01 | Dagmar | It's there because the building that _was_ there was an incredibly cheapass frefabbed sheet metal building |
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| 18:52.41 | Dagmar | They could not remove the door with the same equipment that removed the damaged building, so they left it |
| 18:52.49 | A-KO | uhm |
| 18:52.51 | A-KO | bulldozer? |
| 18:52.58 | Ginji | So, you'd have an easier time driving through the wall of the building then through the door |
| 18:56.24 | Fisker | yeah ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:56.37 | Fisker | or buy them legitimately and play it ;3 |
| 18:56.47 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:56.51 | ScytheBlade1 | or that |
| 18:58.14 | Shirik | huggles Cairenn |
| 18:58.23 | Cairenn | huggles Shirik |
| 18:59.04 | Adys | Shirik: you familiar with msvcirt? |
| 18:59.41 | Shirik | uh, what about it? |
| 19:00.03 | Adys | does it implement printing to a stream? |
| 19:00.19 | Adys | s/printing/writing/ |
| 19:00.41 | Shirik | why are you worrying about msvcirt directly? |
| 19:00.58 | Shirik | it's an outdated library anyway |
| 19:01.01 | Adys | I know |
| 19:01.10 | Adys | and Im trying to figure out what ??6ostream@@QAEAAV0@PBD@Z implements |
| 19:01.44 | Shirik | ah come on |
| 19:01.46 | Shirik | that's easy |
| 19:01.47 | zenzelezz | sounds like a general output stgream |
| 19:01.51 | zenzelezz | *stream |
| 19:01.57 | zenzelezz | ie. the C++ standard ostream |
| 19:02.10 | zenzelezz | but that's me guessing from the name only |
| 19:02.17 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.30 | Shirik | Undecoration of :- "??6ostream@@QAEAAV0@PBD@Z" |
| 19:02.30 | Shirik | is :- "public: class ostream & __thiscall ostream::operator<<(char const *)" |
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| 19:02.34 | Shirik | bah :( |
| 19:02.55 | Shirik | and yes, it's standard C++ |
| 19:03.38 | Shirik | ostream is of ios_base and is how both iostream and ofstream are made |
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| 19:04.51 | Adys | hm |
| 19:09.12 | Shirik | but yes, stop thinking about msvcirt |
| 19:10.06 | cbreak | can't you just look at the header files? |
| 19:10.46 | Adys | Shirik: Im trying to implement some missing shit in wine |
| 19:10.56 | Shirik | o |
| 19:11.03 | Shirik | ostream better not be missing from wine |
| 19:11.13 | Shirik | that's standard C++ lol |
| 19:11.18 | Adys | yeah and wine isnt in c++ |
| 19:11.31 | Shirik | o |
| 19:11.32 | Shirik | glhf |
| 19:12.53 | Adys | Shirik: did you suddenly, honestly think I was coding on windows? |
| 19:12.53 | Adys | HAHAH |
| 19:13.01 | Shirik | maybe |
| 19:15.53 | zenzelezz | given that I'm *really* horrible with linux-coding... could you somehow just direct those calls and stuff to libstdc++ or whatever it's called? |
| 19:17.14 | zenzelezz | things I've learned from Splinter Cell: if you're going to build an impenetrable castle, don't put a lot of pipes and bars on the vertical, otherwise unclimbable walls |
| 19:17.59 | cbreak | vertical walls? are there any other kind? |
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| 19:18.11 | zenzelezz | slanting walls |
| 19:18.20 | zenzelezz | though you make a good point |
| 19:18.54 | cbreak | you need pipes for the rain water though. And no, you can't put them inside the walls :) |
| 19:19.06 | cbreak | (cost reasons) |
| 19:19.20 | Shirik | Adys: The best thing I can think of is what zenzelezz said |
| 19:19.37 | Shirik | Name mangling will differ so you just need to come up with the mapping |
| 19:19.46 | Shirik | The calling convention should be identical I think |
| 19:20.04 | Shirik | there isn't much leeway on how to do what microsoft calls a __thiscall |
| 19:20.22 | Adys | ill ask aj |
| 19:20.59 | Shirik | Cidan? |
| 19:21.28 | Shirik | how the hell can ostream be missing from Wine |
| 19:21.49 | Shirik | are you telling me we can run WoW in wine but we can't run basic applications? |
| 19:21.56 | Shirik | like hello world? |
| 19:21.57 | Aelobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgdBcvzcQNY |
| 19:22.23 | Adys | msvcrt is implemented |
| 19:22.25 | Adys | msvcirt isnt |
| 19:22.30 | Shirik | lul |
| 19:22.36 | Adys | as you said |
| 19:22.38 | Adys | its deprecated |
| 19:24.01 | zenzelezz | ah |
| 19:24.25 | zenzelezz | is some application(s) using the old one? |
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| 19:24.59 | Adys | ya |
| 19:25.35 | Pytlask | Anybody tried running Borderlands under Wine yet? It starts for me, but I get an extremely laggy cursor >< |
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| 19:27.34 | Adys | god |
| 19:27.39 | Adys | battle.net is so slow |
| 19:27.42 | Adys | the site |
| 19:29.30 | Fisker | us.battle.net go |
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| 19:38.05 | NightHawkTheSane | why am i still watching sg:u? |
| 19:38.28 | cbreak | remote fell under table and you're too lazy to reach out for it |
| 19:40.18 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly, no |
| 19:40.20 | Adys | ugh i need to do a clean sweep of my comp |
| 19:41.03 | ScytheBlade1 | rm -rf / |
| 19:41.21 | NightHawkTheSane | sudo !! |
| 19:41.30 | cbreak | sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/disk0 |
| 19:41.43 | cbreak | mine's more secure :) |
| 19:41.59 | NightHawkTheSane | your MOM's more secure.. |
| 19:42.20 | zenzelezz | why is his Might of Menethil secure? |
| 19:43.48 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, beacuse SG is win? |
| 19:44.09 | NightHawkTheSane | except sg:u really kind isn't |
| 19:44.29 | Thunder_Child | boo...i wast going to wait till the end of S01 to watch it all |
| 19:44.29 | NightHawkTheSane | kinda* |
| 19:44.46 | nevcairiel | i'm still not sure about SG:U |
| 19:44.49 | NightHawkTheSane | well, feel free. :P |
| 19:45.07 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: yeah, i can really see how it CAN be awesome.. it just.. meh.. |
| 19:45.19 | nevcairiel | it needs some more story then just fixing a new issue on the ship every week |
| 19:46.12 | nevcairiel | oh hey we're out of air .. no, out of energy, oh wait, water is out too |
| 19:46.39 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: food is all that is left, failing that, babies |
| 19:49.16 | Thunder_Child | as tekkub said, think of it like voyager |
| 19:49.28 | nevcairiel | voyager is more fun |
| 19:49.39 | Thunder_Child | but it's more or less the same thing |
| 19:49.54 | NightHawkTheSane | voyager was also bad |
| 19:50.05 | nevcairiel | voyager has borg! sg:u has.. flying cameras! |
| 19:50.09 | Thunder_Child | no, ut was the best |
| 19:50.14 | Thunder_Child | s/u/i/ |
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| 19:50.39 | Thunder_Child | it make sense the way they are doing it, take stock of imediate suroundings then go outward |
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| 19:50.52 | Thunder_Child | it may be boring to you but at least it's realistic |
| 19:51.13 | NightHawkTheSane | realism is overrated |
| 19:51.13 | nevcairiel | realistic on a million year old starship? :P |
| 19:51.16 | NightHawkTheSane | this is entertainment |
| 19:51.25 | NightHawkTheSane | also what nev said |
| 19:51.47 | nevcairiel | at least the ship looks kinda cool |
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| 19:52.53 | Thunder_Child | you people fail |
| 19:53.05 | Thunder_Child | i havent even seen the show yet and you people fail |
| 19:53.23 | nevcairiel | maybe you fail because you havent seen it? |
| 19:54.33 | Thunder_Child | maybe, but i reserve judgment |
| 19:54.35 | A-KO | I've seen it |
| 19:54.38 | A-KO | stopped watching after about 4 eps |
| 19:54.39 | A-KO | it sucks |
| 19:55.09 | nevcairiel | we only had 7 now :P |
| 19:55.29 | A-KO | I'm not exactly sure what they're trying to go for, but I'm pretty sure Stargate: SG1 lasted for so long because people enjoyed going from world to world, blowing up evil aliens that are trying to blow us up, combined with Richard Dean Anderson's witty, bad humor. |
| 19:56.07 | A-KO | not because we're trying to watch a socially awkward fat kid be the lead character in an overly charged drama as we watch from episode to episode about how even though they're all stuck together, he still can't get any. |
| 19:56.42 | NightHawkTheSane | to be fair, that guy's the least of the show's issues :P |
| 19:56.45 | A-KO | true |
| 19:56.48 | A-KO | just saying :P |
| 19:57.03 | A-KO | Are they even off the ship yet? |
| 19:57.14 | A-KO | Or are they still trying to figure out how to keep the life support system going? |
| 19:57.15 | nevcairiel | the whole series is about being on the ship |
| 19:57.15 | NightHawkTheSane | no, i doubt they'll ever get off |
| 19:57.32 | nevcairiel | they occasionally leave to pickup supplies through the gate |
| 19:57.38 | A-KO | Do they know that other series' that tried this have failed? (See: Defying Gravity) |
| 19:58.43 | NightHawkTheSane | the whole ship thing wouldn't be bad if it wasn't full of drama and infighting. |
| 19:59.13 | Torhal | A-KO: I'm pretty sure they know since the effects for Defying Gravity were done by Stargate Studios |
| 19:59.25 | A-KO | LOL Torhal seriously? |
| 19:59.37 | A-KO | no wonder the two seem so fucking similar |
| 19:59.38 | Torhal | Heh, yah |
| 19:59.57 | A-KO | Defying Gravity sucked, every episode it was like "OMG ARE WE GOING TO FIND OUT WHAT'S BEHIND THAT FUCKING DOOR YET?" |
| 20:00.11 | A-KO | "JESUS FUCKING CHRIST SHOW US THE SUPER ALIEN SENTIENCE THAT IS GOING TO DO SOMETHING UBER AWESOME" |
| 20:00.15 | A-KO | nope |
| 20:00.45 | Torhal | Haha |
| 20:01.13 | A-KO | I mean how is that realistic? If I opened a door on some alien ship and it showed me some planet, I'd probably be running to tell everyone |
| 20:01.51 | cbreak | Holodeck! |
| 20:02.22 | A-KO | So no wonder it sucks, the writers from Defying Gravity probably got shoved over to SG:U.....but the sad fact is that it's the same guys behind both SG1 and SGU, which really sucks, because it's clearly obvious they were in it for the dinero now. |
| 20:02.31 | A-KO | and don't really understand their audience |
| 20:02.42 | A-KO | you can't slap a Stargate tag onto a show and expect people to eat it up |
| 20:04.34 | NightHawkTheSane | you'd be surprised what a) executives will think they can do and b) what idiots actually will eat up |
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| 20:05.04 | A-KO | oh, I'm well aware of what executives think they can do :P (my bosses) |
| 20:05.05 | A-KO | lol |
| 20:05.21 | A-KO | and Defying Gravity is proof that B isn't entirely true |
| 20:06.09 | A-KO | You know, fwiw, I do applaud the idea of having a bit of character development in stories. I think it's great, fantastic, but there's a cut off point where that cannot be the mainstay of the series. |
| 20:06.25 | NightHawkTheSane | but as you say, it didn't have the sg tag ;) |
| 20:06.57 | NightHawkTheSane | character development is what happens as a result of plot. it is not plot :P |
| 20:07.09 | A-KO | well these people seem to think it should be :P |
| 20:07.18 | NightHawkTheSane | those people are wrong :) |
| 20:07.24 | A-KO | Of course |
| 20:07.48 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 20:10.18 | Thunder_Child | heh "This is meat followed by meat, washed down by meat. You start with an appetizer of meat, then maybe a meat salad and some meat soup, perhaps interjected by a meat meat, then moving on to the entree of meat, enhanced by a bottle of your best red meat. Oh waiter, what's for dessert? Is it meat? Oh this chef is so creative." |
| 20:10.33 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5394184/i-ate-the-windows-7-burger |
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| 20:11.16 | A-KO | Thunder_Child: I know someone that used to do that at BK |
| 20:11.21 | A-KO | he'd buy 2 quad stackers, stack 'em together |
| 20:11.42 | A-KO | amazingly enough, he's skinny, no fat at all |
| 20:11.42 | A-KO | lol |
| 20:13.28 | NightHawkTheSane | metabolism ftw |
| 20:14.42 | A-KO | hmmmm |
| 20:14.44 | A-KO | speaking of food |
| 20:14.49 | A-KO | I'm trying to think of something to eat |
| 20:15.09 | NightHawkTheSane | bacon, eggs over medium, and whole wheat toast |
| 20:15.19 | A-KO | meh, I had something similar to that for breakfast |
| 20:15.39 | A-KO | though I am out of whole wheat |
| 20:15.40 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, thats what i had for breakfast a couple hours ago |
| 20:15.47 | NightHawkTheSane | well, like 1 hour ago |
| 20:16.53 | Thunder_Child | http://gizmodo.com/5391777/the-most-epic-treehouse-ever-constructed |
| 20:17.16 | NightHawkTheSane | nice |
| 20:20.05 | sylvanaar | A-KO i hate that fat kid |
| 20:21.04 | NightHawkTheSane | i like him, only because in a show entirely about character, he's one of the few that have any |
| 20:21.13 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, does this mean anything to you (or anyone else) |
| 20:21.14 | Shirik | Oct 31 16:07:30 localhost postfix/smtpd[5384]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from mail-pw0-f60.google.com[209.85.160.60]: 554 5.7.1 <myaddress@shiibot.com>: Relay access denied; from=<someaddress@gmail.com> to=<myaddress@shiibot.com> proto=ESMTP helo=<mail-pw0-f60.google.com> |
| 20:22.01 | Iriel | It means your MTA isn't configured to accept mail for shibot.com |
| 20:22.27 | Iriel | So it identified an attempt to deliver mail to it as a relay attempt, and summarily rejected it |
| 20:22.37 | Shirik | bah |
| 20:22.52 | Iriel | shiibot.com even |
| 20:23.05 | Iriel | Hard to count the i's when they're so close together |
| 20:23.37 | sylvanaar | NightHawkTheSane i like the other guy, just because hes better. mckay was good in bsga, but this guy is a little dweeb |
| 20:24.32 | sylvanaar | then again - besides pbs, all i have left is heroes |
| 20:24.47 | sylvanaar | and that is not going well this season |
| 20:25.24 | nevcairiel | i'm not too sure where heroes is going this season |
| 20:25.36 | sylvanaar | i do have at least 6 new games which i got in the past 1.5 weeks, all of which i played for 20 min each |
| 20:25.40 | sylvanaar | and |
| 20:25.40 | NightHawkTheSane | i kind of lost where it was going after the strike |
| 20:26.17 | sylvanaar | its not helping that my tivo sometimes skips recording it |
| 20:26.24 | Iriel | sylvanaar: if one of those is borderlands, give it more than 20 mins before you make a decision on it 8-) |
| 20:26.28 | nevcairiel | T-Bags intentions elude me so far, so i'm not sure whats going on :P |
| 20:26.52 | sylvanaar | Iriel i didnt get borderlands - though i hear it was great - i got DA next week |
| 20:26.58 | nevcairiel | i don't even now his name in heroes |
| 20:26.59 | nevcairiel | oh well |
| 20:27.03 | nevcairiel | *know |
| 20:27.15 | sylvanaar | his name is t-bags? |
| 20:27.19 | sylvanaar | i hate him more now |
| 20:27.26 | nevcairiel | that was his name in prison break |
| 20:27.50 | sylvanaar | he needs to use fingernail polish remover - hes not 20 anymore |
| 20:28.09 | nevcairiel | samuel, thats his name in heroes |
| 20:28.28 | sylvanaar | noone is being very 'heroic' |
| 20:28.52 | sylvanaar | or interesting for that matteer |
| 20:29.46 | sylvanaar | who all is getting DA next week |
| 20:29.53 | nevcairiel | DA? |
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| 20:32.08 | sylvanaar | http://dragonage.bioware.com/ |
| 20:32.29 | Iriel | I found the character creator to be underwhelming |
| 20:33.22 | sylvanaar | do you seriously like adjusting all those settings? |
| 20:33.38 | sylvanaar | i find i make the same face every time |
| 20:34.06 | Thunder_Child | if you feel like torenting you can get it for the 360 now |
| 20:34.43 | Iriel | Yes and no, it was more that for example, there didn't feel like any real difference between say a mage of different races |
| 20:34.58 | Iriel | Sure you got a different body type but otherwise it just felt the same |
| 20:35.09 | Iriel | Maybe that's just the problem of the char creator out of context of the game |
| 20:35.22 | sylvanaar | Iriel could be |
| 20:35.35 | Iriel | When they released it separately I guess I was expecting to be wow'ed |
| 20:35.36 | Fisker | hello |
| 20:35.46 | Iriel | (as in 'wow, this is awesome' - not as in 'this is just like wow') |
| 20:35.50 | sylvanaar | you know i just got a steam account last week |
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| 20:36.23 | Iriel | Maybe i'm just feeling spoiled after Aion's char creator which is very slick indeed. |
| 20:36.26 | sylvanaar | i forgot there were other games for the pc besides wow |
| 20:37.06 | sylvanaar | i pressed 'random' |
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| 20:38.25 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1: Server-wide comm channels have lots of problems. |
| 20:38.32 | sylvanaar | my friend just got me to play HL2 with him using synergy, that was cool - then he uses this thing called gary's mod |
| 20:38.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: yeah, someone or other was wanting to do server-wide stuff |
| 20:38.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't think he's around now though |
| 20:40.08 | sylvanaar | Iriel doesn aion ever get better? |
| 20:40.27 | sylvanaar | Iriel i quit - AoC was more fun imo |
| 20:40.55 | cbreak | things that are better dead will always get better eventually. |
| 20:42.07 | sylvanaar | cbreak you lost me, between "things" and "eventually" |
| 20:42.16 | Dagmar | It can't really get any worse. :) |
| 20:42.27 | zenzelezz | I think cbreak is saying that Aion is better for zombies |
| 20:42.51 | sylvanaar | in retrospect AoC was amazing |
| 20:43.03 | sylvanaar | too bad they f-ed it up |
| 20:43.19 | zenzelezz | how so? |
| 20:43.54 | zenzelezz | I found it interesting, but not that awesome; but that was merely a personal opinion thing... the setting didn't interest me, but it wasn't bad as far as I could tell |
| 20:44.04 | sylvanaar | over-hype, and a big letdown - when it could be seen that the game was only 1/2 done |
| 20:44.15 | zenzelezz | aha |
| 20:44.36 | zenzelezz | considering Anarchy Online, they'd learned a lot, but they still had a way to go |
| 20:45.21 | sylvanaar | everyone agrees tortage is one of the best starting areas they have played |
| 20:47.25 | sylvanaar | i was mad that they never released an sdk or way to mod the game - though you could create chat-bots which you could log into the game |
| 20:47.40 | sylvanaar | basic irc bots |
| 20:48.14 | Iriel | I think 'everyone' is an overstatement there 8-) |
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| 20:48.29 | sylvanaar | (almost) |
| 20:48.46 | zenzelezz | chat bots is one thing I really liked about Anarchy Online (and probably would have for AoC, if I kept playing), allowed for a lot of nice things |
| 20:48.54 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 20:49.04 | sylvanaar | i was working on one when i got my wrath invite |
| 20:53.35 | cbreak | chat bots work in wow too. |
| 20:53.52 | cbreak | I copy&paste ported eliza to wow ages ago :) |
| 20:54.00 | Dagmar | Except they have zero communication with the outside world |
| 20:54.03 | cbreak | my guild protested loudly when I let it lose to /g |
| 20:54.11 | zenzelezz | not legally |
| 20:54.18 | cbreak | why would they need to? |
| 20:54.43 | zenzelezz | AO chat bots often communicated with the outside; looking up info on the web, saving data, etc. |
| 20:54.58 | zenzelezz | but in the sense you're describing, yeah, you can make them in WoW too :) |
| 20:55.19 | Dagmar | Auctioneer has some functionality like that |
| 20:59.13 | sylvanaar | but AO bots were logged in independantly of a user, and they were real IRC bots |
| 20:59.27 | sylvanaar | you could have purl there if you wanted |
| 20:59.52 | cbreak | that'd be bantastic in /2 |
| 21:00.38 | sylvanaar | you could chat with your guild in-game while you were at work |
| 21:00.41 | NightHawkTheSane | not exactly the best title ever : http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2009/10/nutt_faces_sack.html |
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| 21:10.29 | sylvanaar | zenzelezz it was legal in AoC, msg me how to do it in wow if you know offhand |
| 21:11.34 | zenzelezz | I know it was legal in AO and AoC |
| 21:22.56 | sylvanaar | also, the oombat log was alwayd flushed to disk - which menat you cuould create realtime combat log analysis |
| 21:24.01 | Thunder_Child | oombat? so the "no mana" log? |
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| 21:24.46 | sylvanaar | its been a while - was that a jokoe |
| 21:26.09 | sylvanaar | i had worked on a project where we added sound ans whatnot based on combatlog trigger contitions |
| 21:26.22 | zenzelezz | did AoC use mana? Can't seem to recall |
| 21:26.26 | zenzelezz | misses "nano" |
| 21:26.56 | sylvanaar | i cant recall |
| 21:35.58 | Gnarfoz | sylvanaar: wow's combat log is also flushed to disk in quite short intervals, World of Logs' live reporting feature makes use of it |
| 21:46.36 | NightHawkTheSane | "I just started auditing a woman who told me to get bent." "Well, that sounds like a comedy." |
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| 22:16.11 | smcn | what all is it you can't buy with 2v2 rating? |
| 22:21.30 | Dagmar | Self-respect. |
| 22:22.13 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: _Very_ good movie. |
| 22:27.24 | Bruners | haste: gotten the hat yet? |
| 22:28.14 | haste | Bruners: yeh |
| 22:28.25 | Bruners | niz |
| 22:28.41 | Bruners | haste: but no mount right |
| 22:29.12 | haste | Bruners: nope :P |
| 22:29.19 | haste | Bruners: had like 16 spawns total or so |
| 22:36.49 | Bruners | haste: oh well, at least you got the hat :) |
| 22:54.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: that's a huge understatement, but yes, it is. |
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| 23:17.15 | NightHawkTheSane | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MLXFXcbMy4Q/SsX25Q-0xCI/AAAAAAAACtk/PdZZCMBOB68/s1600-h/VennDiagram_jesus.gif |
| 23:19.06 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: curious, you see the l4d group server I'm running? |
| 23:19.40 | Cide- | NightHawkTheSane: true story |
| 23:21.40 | Pneumatus | frankenstein wasnt ressurected from the dead |
| 23:22.26 | Pneumatus | even if we ignore the fact that it should be frankenstein's monster, not frankenstein, it was never alive in the first place to be ressurected |
| 23:25.59 | Adys | Cide-: didnt you run a windows vm? |
| 23:26.06 | Cide- | what? |
| 23:26.12 | Cide- | no |
| 23:26.15 | Adys | or was it Shirik|AFK ? |
| 23:29.35 | mikma | scytheblade1: don't know :D |
| 23:30.45 | ScytheBlade1 | if you sit on the main menu, it should pop up after a moment or two |
| 23:31.09 | ScytheBlade1 | wait, you're not in the US |
| 23:31.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Your latency will suck anyway :D |
| 23:32.41 | Shirik | Adys? |
| 23:32.47 | Shirik | Windows VM for what? |
| 23:33.10 | Shirik | FYI, I am > all of you |
| 23:33.12 | Shirik | do you know why? |
| 23:33.21 | Shirik | It is because I have hot, fresh, krispy kreme donuts |
| 23:33.33 | NightHawkTheSane | my sympathies |
| 23:33.43 | Shirik | negative |
| 23:33.45 | Cide- | I'm sorry, Shirik |
| 23:33.51 | Shirik | this is quite full of win |
| 23:34.01 | Shirik | if you ever have hot, fresh, krispy kreme donuts I will gladly take them off you |
| 23:34.26 | Cide- | I fortunately never will |
| 23:34.41 | Cide- | as it would make me a shadow of you |
| 23:34.42 | Shirik | why :( |
| 23:34.44 | Cide- | something I will never sink to |
| 23:35.20 | Cide- | your deep hatred for python is clouding your mind |
| 23:38.18 | Shirik | negative |
| 23:38.23 | Shirik | python even has krispy kreme donuts |
| 23:38.30 | Shirik | import awesome; |
| 23:39.56 | Cide- | semicolons? |
| 23:39.59 | Cide- | you fail |
| 23:43.43 | Dagmar | lowercase FAIL? Pfft. |
| 23:44.03 | NightHawkTheSane | apathy fail? pffft |
| 23:44.42 | Cide- | what? |
| 23:44.56 | Cide- | oh |
| 23:45.13 | Cide- | I don't think the fail magnitude was massive enough to warrant capital letters |
| 23:45.27 | Shirik | python doesn't use semicolons? |
| 23:45.37 | Shirik | what kind of crappy language doesn't use semicolons |
| 23:45.46 | NightHawkTheSane | lua? |
| 23:45.50 | Shirik | no |
| 23:45.52 | Shirik | Lua uses semicolons |
| 23:46.00 | Shirik | it just tries to accomodate for those people that can't use the language properly |
| 23:46.02 | NightHawkTheSane | not really. |
| 23:46.29 | Arrowmaster | theres only a few very rare situations that semicolons are needed |
| 23:46.37 | Shirik | But ALL situations work with a semicolon |
| 23:46.40 | Shirik | only MOST work without |
| 23:46.51 | Shirik | Therefore Lua uses semicolons, but tries to come down to your level if you refuse to work with it |
| 23:46.52 | Arrowmaster | like 99.999% work without |
| 23:47.19 | Arrowmaster | but you can get around those situations by not trying to purposefully confuse the interpreter |
| 23:47.32 | Shirik | what if you NEED |
| 23:47.46 | Arrowmaster | you dont, those situations are only when you are trying to be a smart ass |
| 23:47.59 | Shirik | NEED |
| 23:48.07 | Cide- | func()\n(...)("abc") |
| 23:48.17 | Cide- | VERY COMMON |
| 23:48.30 | Shirik | yes |
| 23:48.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: to be fair, Shirik is basically always trying to be a smart as. |
| 23:48.56 | NightHawkTheSane | ass. |
| 23:48.59 | Shirik | :P |
| 23:49.05 | Cide- | I think you meant ass, NightHawkTheSane |
| 23:49.05 | Shirik | you all take me way too seriously tbh |
| 23:49.20 | Shirik | I thought of Lua even before I wrote the statement (19:45:28) (@Shirik) what kind of crappy language doesn't use semicolons |
| 23:49.21 | Cide- | you all take me way too unseriously |
| 23:49.24 | Shirik | I am turning into Fisker |
| 23:49.30 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont take anyone anywhere |
| 23:49.36 | Shirik | you are a cheap date |
| 23:49.42 | NightHawkTheSane | i am! |
| 23:49.52 | NightHawkTheSane | i'll do anything pretty cheaply |
| 23:49.52 | Cide- | oh, snap |
| 23:49.56 | Cide- | you code like a dairy farmer |
| 23:50.04 | Shirik | uh |
| 23:50.07 | Shirik | what? |
| 23:50.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ... well i do like milk.. |
| 23:50.26 | Cide- | fail |
| 23:50.43 | Shirik | Cide |
| 23:50.50 | Shirik | Let me teach you the ways of the Python haters |
| 23:50.59 | Shirik | open your mind to the beauty that is |
| 23:51.01 | Shirik | whitespace |
| 23:51.02 | Cide- | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=you%20fight%20like%20a%20dairy%20farmer |
| 23:51.22 | Cide- | yes, whitespace is nice |
| 23:51.44 | Shirik | I still don't get it Cide- |
| 23:51.52 | Cide- | /shrug |
| 23:51.53 | Shirik | Cide-, let's write a program in whitespace |
| 23:51.59 | Cide- | okay |
| 23:52.19 | Cide- | that's simple |
| 23:52.46 | NightHawkTheSane | i ought to learn python |
| 23:55.07 | Shirik | no you ought not |
| 23:55.09 | Shirik | you ought to learn Ada |
| 23:55.13 | Shirik | or C++ |
| 23:56.38 | Cide- | or python |
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| 23:58.44 | Shirik | or not |
| 23:58.56 | Adys | [01:29:54] <@Shirik> Windows VM for what? |
| 23:58.58 | Adys | i dunno |
| 23:59.01 | Adys | didnt you use one? |
| 23:59.04 | Shirik | shoves another donut down Cide-'s throat |
| 23:59.08 | Shirik | well, sometimes yes |
| 23:59.28 | Arrowmaster | ha found it |
| 23:59.30 | Arrowmaster | http://old.wowace.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Coding_Tips&oldid=31334#Unneeded_semicolons |
