| 00:00.59 | Aqua | am i smoking crack or does grid not have options to play sounds when curses go up and stuff? |
| 00:02.20 | cbreak | msbt does |
| 00:02.33 | Gnarfoz | I don't think Grid has that as a feature |
| 00:02.51 | Aqua | Damn, I could have SWORN it did |
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| 00:22.37 | Sarkp | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_universe wiiiiiiiin |
| 00:23.03 | Gnarfoz | what? |
| 00:23.27 | Dagmar | I want to know how many of them I'm allowed to kill. |
| 00:23.47 | Sarkp | i thought it was a new article nvm |
| 00:23.59 | Gnarfoz | (besides the bluray being out, heh, curious coincidence that someone would post a HP related link almost on the same day) |
| 00:24.27 | Gnarfoz | Sarkp: what, like Stargate:Universe? xD |
| 00:24.34 | Gnarfoz | Harry Potter: Universe |
| 00:24.56 | Dagmar | I thought it was announcement about some upcoming MMO |
| 00:25.42 | Dagmar | I suppose no one's really ready to deal with quite THAT many contributing to the delinquency of... investigations yet. |
| 00:26.00 | Sarkp | is stargate good? |
| 00:26.08 | Dagmar | It's "okay" |
| 00:26.16 | Gnarfoz | better than atlantis imho |
| 00:27.21 | Gnarfoz | even though atlantis had mckay |
| 00:27.22 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 00:31.10 | Adys | ive got every harry potter book on my shelfs |
| 00:31.22 | Adys | s/f/ve/ |
| 00:31.29 | Adys | but only read 5 of them |
| 00:31.31 | Adys | they're in french |
| 00:31.40 | Sarkp | french? |
| 00:31.45 | Adys | I'm trying to get hold of the english version |
| 00:32.16 | Sarkp | whats so hard? |
| 00:32.33 | Adys | I'm in greece |
| 00:32.43 | Sarkp | why? |
| 00:32.50 | Adys | .. because I live here? |
| 00:32.53 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 00:33.08 | Dagmar | ...and Amazon can't be bothered to deliver there I guess. |
| 00:33.19 | Sarkp | why would you live there? |
| 00:33.25 | Adys | i have family here |
| 00:33.28 | ScytheBlade1 | mmm l4d2 |
| 00:33.33 | Adys | Im moving to bristol next year |
| 00:33.36 | Dagmar | Perhaps it's illegal |
| 00:33.39 | Adys | getting the hell out of here |
| 00:33.49 | Adys | amazon prolly delivers books here, i dunno |
| 00:33.59 | Adys | but meh |
| 00:33.59 | Adys | no time |
| 00:34.08 | Adys | also` |
| 00:34.09 | Sarkp | Buy S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl 75% off until Monday, November 2 |
| 00:34.09 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/42950/champion-herods-shoulder/ |
| 00:35.05 | Shirik | hey WobWork |
| 00:35.07 | Shirik | ping |
| 00:35.09 | Dagmar | It's going to be interesting when Cataclysm comes out how many worgen and goblins are going to be wearing the exact same gear |
| 00:35.36 | Dagmar | ...but at least we won't look like circus carnies |
| 00:36.43 | Sarkp | wonders how many harry potter-related articles there are in wikipedia |
| 00:37.10 | Sarkp | the harry potter wiki has 4,872 articles |
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| 00:38.19 | Adys | woot |
| 00:38.23 | Adys | i have 111111 gold |
| 00:38.45 | Shirik | I have about 1 gold |
| 00:39.58 | Dagmar | Stop spending it all on ale and whores then. |
| 00:40.05 | Shirik | :< |
| 00:40.25 | Dagmar | Make a budget and _stick to it_. |
| 00:40.40 | NightHawkTheSane | he did |
| 00:40.47 | NightHawkTheSane | that budget was all ale and whores, though |
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| 00:53.24 | Sarkp | hmm, shouldnt wikipedia have only 1 page on franchises? |
| 00:54.06 | Dagmar | So get in there, make an account, and start chopping the others out. |
| 00:54.24 | Dagmar | The only person you have to blame for problems with WikiPedia is YOU, you lazy cur |
| 00:55.30 | Sarkp | i'm a member of its counter vandalism unit, havent done anything in ages though |
| 00:55.54 | Sarkp | it was my first mmo |
| 00:56.41 | Dagmar | Wikipedia was your first MMO? |
| 00:56.42 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 00:56.56 | Dagmar | Well, I guess my attempts to cause trouble for them by proxy have failed more than usual today |
| 00:58.51 | Sarkp | the CVU was quite fun: i had tools that detected vandalism and would try to revert them before other members did, and if you reverted a vandal often enough they would deface my userpage |
| 00:59.52 | Dagmar | Distract them by claiming to be a member of the CoS |
| 01:00.17 | Sarkp | of what? |
| 01:00.24 | Dagmar | Church of Scientology |
| 01:00.27 | ScytheBlade1 | That is one short demo |
| 01:00.51 | Dagmar | It's over after only three noms? |
| 01:00.52 | Sarkp | ScytheBlade1: l4d 2? |
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| 01:03.28 | Sarkp | <zen voice>Dagmar, you realize that when you cause trouble for wikipedia, you are ultimately causing trouble for yourself |
| 01:03.58 | Dagmar | You've never been introduced to the concept of buffer compounds, have you? |
| 01:04.36 | Sarkp | whazzat |
| 01:05.16 | Dagmar | It's a substance that, for example, ensures that a mixture retains it's pH after you've added acids or bases to it |
| 01:06.10 | Shirik | Sarkp: the CVU doesn't exist anymore really :P |
| 01:06.20 | Shirik | I patrol recent changes but I'm not a member of CVU |
| 01:06.26 | Shirik | It's there but nobody's really active |
| 01:07.32 | Sarkp | huh, whats your username? |
| 01:07.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Sarkp: yes |
| 01:08.22 | Sarkp | Shirik: also do you use any tools? |
| 01:08.27 | Shirik | yup |
| 01:08.46 | Sarkp | which ones |
| 01:08.51 | Shirik | I use Twinkle mostly |
| 01:09.04 | Shirik | mpdelbuono. I haven't really been active recently |
| 01:09.12 | Shirik | but I will go back to it eventually |
| 01:09.13 | Shirik | when I have time |
| 01:09.18 | Sarkp | twinkle woot |
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| 01:18.51 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 spent all that time downloading the server |
| 01:18.56 | Shirik | and then got owned IN THE FACE |
| 01:19.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Nah the server is running fine |
| 01:19.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I just played a round of l4d2 as well |
| 01:19.39 | Shirik | IN THE FACE |
| 01:19.42 | bleeter | Mikk: *bleating sheep |
| 01:19.51 | bleeter | that is, I'm guessing, I ain't scrolling back |
| 01:19.56 | bleeter | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvrN4xHr32o |
| 01:22.07 | bleeter | ^^ don't think I've seen quite so much win as that in.. a long time |
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| 01:28.49 | Thunder_Child | ~lart bleeter |
| 01:28.49 | purl | slaps a compatible dib on bleeter's head |
| 01:29.43 | Sarkp | purl: hey |
| 01:29.44 | purl | i guess hey is almost for horses |
| 01:29.55 | Sarkp | hmm |
| 01:32.28 | Sarkp | what are those programs that respond to typed words in a semi-intelligent manner? |
| 01:33.08 | Sarkp | what are those programs called? |
| 01:33.10 | Thunder_Child | respond in what way? |
| 01:33.48 | Sarkp | kind of like a chat |
| 01:33.56 | Thunder_Child | a bot? |
| 01:34.00 | Sarkp | yes |
| 01:34.21 | Thunder_Child | thats more or less what it's called |
| 01:34.23 | Thunder_Child | ~owner |
| 01:34.24 | purl | TimRiker is my owner |
| 01:34.28 | Thunder_Child | ~timriker |
| 01:34.29 | purl | timriker is probably my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files, giving every Linux user the right to use them ;-), or a very cool guy. |
| 01:35.00 | Thunder_Child | ~blootbot |
| 01:35.01 | purl | i heard blootbot is an IRC bot written in perl descended from infobot. Hosted on SF. This project is now merged back into the main infobot project. See [infobot] |
| 01:35.10 | Thunder_Child | etc. |
| 01:35.21 | Sarkp | thanks |
| 01:37.19 | tem | Mad Skill! :D |
| 01:38.02 | Jerub | I was trying to figure out where I had heard the name tim riker before |
| 01:38.06 | Jerub | bzflag is probably it |
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| 01:43.30 | bleeter | Sarkp: chatterbot |
| 01:43.43 | Sarkp | bleeter: yeah thanks |
| 01:43.59 | bleeter | scrolls down |
| 01:44.01 | bleeter | welcome :) |
| 01:44.11 | bleeter | ~whaleparry Thunder_Child |
| 01:44.12 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry Thunder_Child's attacks. |
| 01:50.22 | Sarkp | yanks trailing 2-0 >:( |
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| 02:10.33 | Arrowmaster | now i must solicit everybody to complete an online survey about distracted driving for one of my college classes, http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=eweib4BU75lkbLRkMDLmmw_3d_3d |
| 02:12.34 | NightHawkTheSane | damn solicitors |
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| 02:31.53 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: I'll save that til I'm driving home |
| 02:34.21 | WobWork | bleeter: ... zomg freaky |
| 02:36.09 | bleeter | http://tron.fm/ |
| 02:37.32 | Cairenn | done, Arrowmaster |
| 02:37.56 | Cairenn | feel free to put it up on WoWI if you' |
| 02:37.59 | Cairenn | you'd like |
| 02:38.17 | Arrowmaster | thanks |
| 02:38.28 | Cairenn | welcome :) |
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| 02:45.18 | Arrowmaster | out of 5 responses so far 1 person hasnt had a drivers license but all 5 have adjusted the radio while driving..... |
| 02:46.00 | Cairenn | heh |
| 02:47.47 | bleeter | so I'm applying to the aussie film school to do some 'new media' crap course... I'm trying to work out how to print out four copies of my past interactive work if it only exists in a game runtime environment... /sigh |
| 02:48.22 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, dont forget some cars have the ability to change stations/volume on the wheel or even on a hud. |
| 02:48.57 | Dagmar | THere. Survery tooken. |
| 02:50.48 | Shirik | Sarkp: Incorrect |
| 02:50.50 | Shirik | 4-0 |
| 02:51.00 | Shirik | and we are cheering up a storm |
| 02:51.13 | Sarkp | hey Shirik |
| 02:51.21 | Sarkp | fisker you |
| 02:51.24 | Shirik | :P |
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| 03:07.03 | Mikk | bleets at bleeter |
| 03:07.11 | Mikk | .... BLEET! |
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| 03:31.37 | Sarkp | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:47.04 | Shirik | any recommendations on an easy way to view LDB data? |
| 03:47.11 | Shirik | Already has titan installed, preferably shows there |
| 03:47.31 | Dagmar | Okay WTF is this about "Perhaps a hook in their waters will do the trick." |
| 03:47.43 | Dagmar | Are there places where your bags *don't* get filled with pygmy suckerfish? |
| 03:47.46 | Mikk | Shirik: umm afaik titan panel does LDB feeds?? |
| 03:48.27 | Mikk | Other than that though there's maybe a dozen LDB displays catering to all sorts of different needs and wants |
| 03:48.38 | Mikk | Feel free to mix & match and display different feeds in different places |
| 03:48.57 | Mikk | Some let you put feeds anywhere on the screen with or without mouseover activation |
| 03:49.01 | Mikk | Some are more bar-ey |
| 03:49.05 | Shirik | does it? |
| 03:49.07 | Mikk | Some give you minimap herpes |
| 03:49.20 | Mikk | Some put a bunch of feeds in a single window with arrow navigation |
| 03:49.23 | Mikk | Some create popout menus |
| 03:50.28 | Mikk | Yeah it does - it's mentioned in several places in the titanpanel FAQ |
| 03:56.42 | Shirik | Mikk |
| 03:56.45 | Shirik | I don't see it at all :/ |
| 03:57.23 | Shirik | do I need to do anything special to get it to show? |
| 03:57.42 | Torhal | Right-click on the panel and it should be in that menu |
| 03:57.49 | Torhal | Been about a year since I looked |
| 03:57.49 | Shirik | I see it THERE |
| 03:57.52 | Shirik | but I don't see it on titan |
| 03:57.57 | Shirik | like no infos |
| 03:59.48 | tem | Minimap Herpes is the best way to describe that |
| 03:59.54 | tem | well done, Mikk |
| 04:01.56 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 04:02.34 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:02.39 | Dagmar | No one thinks the pox are sexy |
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| 04:07.37 | Torhal | Shirik: Ok, weird. I just installed Titan, and it is indeed NOT showing LDB object |
| 04:07.42 | Torhal | s/object/objects/ |
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| 04:15.49 | Torhal | Shirik: Just grab one of the data display addons from here: http://wiki.github.com/tekkub/libdatabroker-1-1/addons-using-ldb |
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| 04:18.29 | Trela | Any one else irritated by add ons that spam loaded messages when logging in? |
| 04:18.34 | Seerah | TitanPanel is an LDB display |
| 04:18.52 | Torhal | Seerah: He can't get it to show the data objects. I just installed it and neither can I |
| 04:18.57 | Torhal | I had it working last year |
| 04:18.59 | Seerah | that's odd |
| 04:19.25 | Seerah | you can't even select them when you right click the bar to pick plugins? |
| 04:19.46 | Torhal | They're there, and I can check/uncheck set as right-side plugin |
| 04:19.49 | Torhal | But they never show up |
| 04:20.05 | Jerub | meh, there's so many messages at login, I can't see them all, so I'd never notice more |
| 04:20.12 | Seerah | hmm... cause people are still using it as a ldb display |
| 04:20.28 | Torhal | I figured, else there'd be mass pitchforking |
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| 04:21.38 | Torhal | I didn't allow anything to load but TitanPanel itself, but that shouldn't matter - it shouldn't be a module for LDB support. I don't see Tristanian doing that. |
| 04:22.12 | Seerah | no, the file is inside the titan panel folder |
| 04:22.20 | Torhal | I figured as much. |
| 04:22.50 | Torhal | But there are no icons at all - I can understand the builtins since I don't let them load, but the LDB ones boggles me especially since they show up in the plugin list |
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| 04:24.29 | Arrowmaster | from what i understood titan never was a pure LDB display, it works the same way as FuBar with Broker2FuBar |
| 04:25.56 | Torhal | Yes, that's the gist of it |
| 04:31.35 | Fisker | my cat hates you Shirik |
| 04:32.06 | bleeter | I'm surprised that Fisker has a pussy |
| 04:32.40 | Fisker | slaps bleeter around a bit with a large trout |
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| 04:43.43 | Shirik | Torhal: I figured it out, but thanks |
| 04:43.59 | Shirik | and why did I show up as Shirik |
| 04:44.00 | Shirik | hm |
| 04:44.05 | Shirik | my configuration must be incorrect |
| 04:45.19 | Shirik | stupid znc module wasn't loaded :( |
| 04:58.34 | Fisker | moo: hdd: C:\ 19GB/74.53GB D:\ 3.64TB/3.64TB G:\ 468.23GB/931.51GB |
| 04:59.16 | Trela | Moooooooo! |
| 04:59.20 | Fisker | moo |
| 04:59.27 | Trela | moos a lot. |
| 04:59.55 | Fisker | i hate Intel :( |
| 05:00.00 | Fisker | couldn't make my HDD 4TB |
| 05:00.14 | Fisker | so i had to ruin my raaaaaaaaid |
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| 05:04.13 | Arrowmaster | ? |
| 05:04.25 | Arrowmaster | you have a raid0 of 2tb drives? |
| 05:04.45 | Fisker | yeah |
| 05:04.57 | Jerub | heh raid. |
| 05:05.23 | Fisker | you wanna fight about it? |
| 05:05.30 | Arrowmaster | disk[Total: 5.0TB, 77.9% free] |
| 05:05.38 | Arrowmaster | hmm it wont give more specific info |
| 05:06.45 | Arrowmaster | Filesystem Type Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 05:06.45 | Arrowmaster | /dev/mapper/storage-data ext4 4.6T 781G 3.7T 18% /srv/data |
| 05:06.56 | Jerub | hm, i'm not sure how to get this to give an accurate number. |
| 05:07.40 | Jerub | is having a look at the ZFS storage server. |
| 05:08.15 | Arrowmaster | kinda funny that 7x1tb drives in raid6 + 2x500gb drives in raid1 = 5TB exactly |
| 05:09.05 | Arrowmaster | although i did that in the past with 4x250gb drives for data and one 160gb drive for my os equaled exactly 1TB |
| 05:09.57 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 05:10.00 | Shirik | your cat hates everyone |
| 05:13.41 | Shirik | free space: (C:) 24.58/184.65 Â -Â (D:) 26.9/186.31 Â -Â (total: 51.48/370.96 GB) |
| 05:13.50 | Shirik | no TBs on a laptop :( |
| 05:13.57 | Fisker | aww |
| 05:14.01 | Fisker | and naw |
| 05:14.04 | Fisker | the cat likes me :( |
| 05:14.07 | Shirik | nope |
| 05:14.12 | Shirik | he just trollin |
| 05:14.16 | Fisker | :((((((((((((( |
| 05:14.25 | Shirik | <3 |
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| 05:17.38 | Jerub | what's the difference between a 'Heroic' and a non 'Heroic' item. |
| 05:17.40 | Fisker | lol |
| 05:17.42 | Fisker | think i know why my computer has been acting up lately |
| 05:19.45 | Shirik | anti-troll software? |
| 05:22.00 | Fisker | naw |
| 05:22.02 | Fisker | my hdds :O |
| 05:27.52 | Fisker | Anyways i had a lot of crashes happening |
| 05:28.05 | Fisker | But yesterday when i took my old raid out it stopped crashing for the whole day |
| 05:28.15 | Fisker | and now that i've put a drive back in it's crashed like 4 times since |
| 05:28.16 | Fisker | :O |
| 05:28.50 | Fisker | anyways baitiems Shirik |
| 05:29.03 | Fisker | i hope you meet someone special |
| 05:31.25 | Arrowmaster | what kinda raid? |
| 05:31.55 | Arrowmaster | hardware, software, onboard fake hardware thats really software? |
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| 05:41.04 | Fisker | dunno Arrowmaster |
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| 05:41.15 | Fisker | it's through intel's i10chr |
| 05:41.59 | Shirik | raid is meant to crash |
| 05:42.00 | Arrowmaster | fakeraid |
| 05:42.24 | Shirik | overcomplicated systems are designed to bring more money into the computer industry |
| 05:42.40 | Shirik | Step 1: Buy overcomplicated RAID system |
| 05:42.45 | Shirik | Step 2: Need to get someone to set it up |
| 05:42.52 | Shirik | Step 3: Few days later, array crashes |
| 05:43.02 | Shirik | Step 4: Bring in person to fix it, pay $$$ |
| 05:43.07 | Shirik | Step 5: GOTO 30 |
| 05:43.55 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: my $1800 array hasnt crashed yet or even hickuped |
| 05:44.28 | Shirik | it was a joke :) |
| 05:44.31 | Fisker | why so srs Arrowmaster? :( |
| 05:44.54 | Fisker | anyways my old raid was software raid(i.e. made with Windows) |
| 05:44.55 | Shirik | I really need to build a new computer |
| 05:44.56 | Fisker | But it sucked |
| 05:45.01 | Fisker | or i sucked |
| 05:45.03 | Arrowmaster | 72% failure rate on western digital drives less than 5 years old made me srs |
| 05:45.04 | Fisker | anyways baitiems |
| 05:45.08 | Fisker | lols |
| 05:45.16 | Fisker | well actually my velociraptor just failed |
| 05:45.24 | Fisker | but other than that i've never had a WD drive fail on me |
| 05:45.35 | Fisker | And i've only used WD since the beginning of time |
| 05:45.57 | Fisker | anyways BAI |
| 05:46.02 | Fisker | must make the bug |
| 05:46.03 | Fisker | bus |
| 05:46.33 | Arrowmaster | i have one drive from 2003 still working, my 160gb drive i put windows on |
| 05:46.53 | Shirik | Wasn't Intel working on some 8 core chips? |
| 05:54.53 | Jerub | hexacore are coming very shortly. |
| 05:55.29 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: I used to swear by WD until around '97 when I started seeing a bunch of them die early on. |
| 05:55.44 | Jerub | as for HDD failure rates, outside of problems with particular batches or specific models of drive, there's no reasonable statistical correlation between manufacturer and MTBF. |
| 05:56.47 | Jerub | there were a few papers released a couple years ago that showed detailed data of failure rates and contributing factors. |
| 05:57.30 | Jerub | the most telling part of it for me was that the correlation between SMART errors coming from the disks only increased the chance of a disk failure slightly. |
| 05:57.52 | Arrowmaster | Torhal: 1x160gb, 8x250gb, 2x500gb from 2003 onwards, started as 1x160gb 4x250gb but all of those original 250gb died, and 2 of the replacements died, both the 500gb which are sata died |
| 05:58.10 | Arrowmaster | so 8/11 failure rate |
| 05:58.56 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: I have heard that story far too many times. |
| 05:59.05 | Jerub | except s/WD/$everyothermanufactureraswell/ |
| 05:59.24 | Arrowmaster | i shelled out for samsung raid class drives with 7 year warranty |
| 06:03.30 | Torhal | I had a Barracuda last 7 years, and the one I have now is around that old. |
| 06:11.50 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: You seem to know a lot about RAID |
| 06:11.55 | Shirik | I only truly understand 0/! |
| 06:11.57 | Shirik | 0/1 |
| 06:12.09 | Shirik | I'm in the market for a new computer. A board I'm looking at supports 0/1/5/10 |
| 06:12.18 | Arrowmaster | only ones i dont know of are 2 and 4 |
| 06:12.19 | Shirik | you think that's sufficient for a gaming PC and/or low-end server? |
| 06:12.45 | Arrowmaster | if its not a pci/pcix/pic-e card its not a hardware controller and your cpu will be doing all the work |
| 06:12.52 | Shirik | by server I'm talking a couple of Java EE web services with probably no more than 10 simultaneous connections |
| 06:12.57 | Shirik | it's a hardware controller |
| 06:13.07 | Shirik | I'm a computer engineer, I'm not THAT out of the loop |
| 06:13.17 | Arrowmaster | so its a server board then? |
| 06:13.17 | Shirik | I just don't know the various raid modes, really |
| 06:13.28 | Shirik | I'm debating between a few. One is a server board |
| 06:14.03 | Arrowmaster | because if its found on any desktop motherboard its not a hardware controller |
| 06:14.35 | Shirik | hm? |
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| 06:14.51 | Arrowmaster | no desktop motherboard has ever had a hardware controller afaik |
| 06:15.22 | Arrowmaster | they are all 'fakeraid' where the bios does the setup but software drivers use the cpu for all the processing |
| 06:16.04 | Shirik | I see |
| 06:16.25 | Shirik | so would you advise a particular chipset or card? |
| 06:16.30 | Shirik | Would you advise just going with a card? |
| 06:16.47 | Arrowmaster | depends on your needs if you want to go with a card, they are very expensive |
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| 06:16.58 | Shirik | I'm thinking about cost last |
| 06:17.21 | Shirik | I tend to make large leaps in upgrades, then keep the computer for a couple of years, instead of the incremental yearly stuff |
| 06:17.32 | Shirik | my current computer is about 5 years old right now and still quite usable |
| 06:17.41 | Shirik | even for the latest games, etc. |
| 06:17.49 | Shirik | It's currently acting as a server because my laptop outpowers it though |
| 06:17.53 | Arrowmaster | ive got a 3ware 9650SE-8LPML with the extra battery unit |
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| 06:18.03 | Arrowmaster | its an 8 port SATA controller |
| 06:18.29 | Arrowmaster | that does 0/1/5/6 (maybe 3 i dont know, nobody fucking uses 3 anymore) |
| 06:18.31 | Ancu | ...YAY SATA! |
| 06:18.55 | Jerub | the only one i care about is 10. |
| 06:19.18 | Shirik | I'm primarily concerned with throughput |
| 06:19.22 | Arrowmaster | i wanted the 8 port SAS controller but SAS backpanes are hard to find for 4in3 or 5in3 units |
| 06:19.26 | Shirik | not as concerned with fault tolerance |
| 06:19.28 | Ancu | So what is the topic of the min? |
| 06:20.13 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: raid 0 will give you the highest throughput but if any drive fails the entire array is lost |
| 06:20.21 | Shirik | right |
| 06:20.25 | Shirik | that much I know |
| 06:20.38 | Shirik | raid 6 is what? |
| 06:20.44 | Shirik | 5 is parity right? |
| 06:20.55 | Arrowmaster | do you know what 3 is? |
| 06:21.19 | Shirik | nope :P |
| 06:21.32 | Shirik | I told you I basically only know 1 and 0 |
| 06:21.49 | Arrowmaster | ok example raid 3, you have 3 drives and two drives have data and the third drive has XOR of the data on it |
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| 06:22.04 | Shirik | ok so that's parity |
| 06:22.46 | Arrowmaster | raid 5 is raid 3 except the data is divided into chunks and the parity is saved on a different drive for each chunk |
| 06:23.30 | Shirik | hm |
| 06:23.45 | Arrowmaster | think of raid 6 as a raid 3 but with two drives holding the XOR data except its mixed among the drives like raid 5 |
| 06:23.49 | Shirik | so the first two drives in raid 3 arne't mirrors right? |
| 06:23.58 | Shirik | I guess that would be stupid, because then the third drive would be all 0s |
| 06:24.09 | Shirik | so basically it's striped across 1/2 and then xored to the 3rd? |
| 06:24.11 | Arrowmaster | no they are stripes like raid 0 |
| 06:24.14 | Shirik | ok |
| 06:24.28 | Shirik | and then 5 takes that to another level |
| 06:24.46 | Shirik | raid 5 has single drive failure tolerance? |
| 06:24.50 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 06:25.01 | Arrowmaster | 6 has 2 drive failure tolerance |
| 06:25.08 | Shirik | ok |
| 06:25.19 | Shirik | so 6 is less striping than 5 and more parity? |
| 06:25.25 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 06:25.45 | Shirik | so 5 would be of comparable performance to 0, though not quite as good |
| 06:25.49 | Codayus_ | http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001233.html |
| 06:25.57 | Codayus_ | Pretty diagrams of raid 5 and 6, if it helps |
| 06:25.58 | Arrowmaster | not really |
| 06:26.30 | Corrodias | remember that fault tolerance is no substitute for backups |
| 06:26.53 | Arrowmaster | raid 0 will always be the fastest but when you have good hardware controllers especially with write caches its not far behind |
| 06:27.56 | Shirik | I have extensive backups |
| 06:28.04 | Shirik | that's why I considered (and currently run with) the risk of RAID 0 |
| 06:28.13 | Shirik | however it's a pain to get those backups as, right now, it's remote |
| 06:28.14 | Codayus_ | Software raid and motherboard fake raid do raid 5 VERY slowly, although in some circumstances some configs from some vendors can be decently fast. Very much depends on what your doing (read vs write, sequential versus random, number of spindles, etc.) |
| 06:28.18 | Shirik | and soon it would probably involve a trip to the bank |
| 06:28.52 | Codayus_ | Shirik: RAID 10 is usually a good default choice. I'm too lazy to scroll up to see what your using it for though. >.> |
| 06:29.06 | Shirik | I'm not "using" it for anything right now |
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| 06:29.14 | Shirik | I'm evaluating choices of boards |
| 06:29.28 | Corrodias | make sure it's actually striping across clones, not cloning a bunch of stripes |
| 06:29.33 | Arrowmaster | downside of 10 is that you only get 50% of the space from your drives |
| 06:29.52 | Corrodias | as in, 1+0 vs 0+1 |
| 06:29.53 | Shirik | I have heard good things about 10, but Arrowmaster's right |
| 06:30.00 | Corrodias | and i don't remember which way is which, but make sure you get the right one. |
| 06:30.22 | Arrowmaster | get the one with two 1's in a 0 right |
| 06:31.04 | Arrowmaster | its easy to visualize it |
| 06:31.11 | Shirik | Maybe I should get one of these http://techreport.com/discussions.x/13849 |
| 06:31.51 | Corrodias | you want to have a bunch of 1's hooked up in a 0 |
| 06:32.11 | Corrodias | so more than one drive can fail without taking it down, unless it's two drives in the same little set |
| 06:32.31 | Shirik | but the more 1s you add the more cost you add |
| 06:32.46 | Shirik | and unfortunately, 110 is NOT entirely 2-drive fault tolerant |
| 06:32.47 | Corrodias | and the more storage, yes |
| 06:32.54 | Codayus_ | *shrug* Hard disks are cheap. And decent raid controllers are expensive. |
| 06:33.26 | Corrodias | what is ZFS? |
| 06:33.32 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: you wouldnt do 110 but 10 using 3 sets of 2 drives in a 1 |
| 06:33.47 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias: ZFS is the raid killer |
| 06:33.51 | Codayus_ | Getting one that'll do RAID 6 with decent performance isn't all that easy, and since RAID 6 uses two drives anyhow, you have to be using a 5 disk array to end up with lower overhead than RAID 10, so...yeah. |
| 06:34.01 | Shirik | What I'm missing is why there doesn't seem to be a RAID configuration to pair with hamming code |
| 06:34.05 | Arrowmaster | if i has that 48 disk server i would put it all on ZFS |
| 06:34.19 | Corrodias | is it useful for small computers? |
| 06:34.43 | Shirik | unless you consider RAID 5 a 2-bit hamming code |
| 06:34.48 | Arrowmaster | dont know, ZFS is the raid 5/6 killer i should say |
| 06:34.50 | Shirik | which it is, but not really what I meant |
| 06:35.01 | Codayus_ | Apple announces ZFS support in Snow Leopard Server. ...then they didn't do it. :( |
| 06:35.10 | Shirik | aha |
| 06:35.14 | Arrowmaster | since as you make raid 5/6 arrays larger and larger it gets more risky |
| 06:35.22 | Shirik | The infamous RAID 2 that Arrowmaster mentioned without knowing is hamming encoding |
| 06:35.34 | Arrowmaster | whats hamming? |
| 06:35.51 | Shirik | It's an error correction code which is quite efficient |
| 06:36.03 | Shirik | The thing that bothered me about RAID 6 is that it is slightly redundant (in a bad way) |
| 06:36.17 | Shirik | Hamming code could take 3 data bits and pair it with 2 parity bits |
| 06:36.24 | Shirik | and still be 2-bit error safe |
| 06:36.53 | Arrowmaster | is that like par2? |
| 06:37.00 | Arrowmaster | you probably dont know what par2 is |
| 06:37.05 | Shirik | I don't know par2 :/ |
| 06:37.07 | Codayus_ | Raid 6 can take 5 drives, end up with 3 drives worth of usable space, and still be able to wistand 2 drive failures. Isn't that kind of the same thing? Sorta? |
| 06:37.12 | Arrowmaster | because you dont use usenet |
| 06:37.28 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:37.36 | Arrowmaster | i have 5 data drives 2 parity drives and 1 spare drive |
| 06:37.41 | Codayus_ | (In terms of overall space efficiency.) |
| 06:37.46 | Shirik | Codayus_: I thought it takes 4 drives and gets 2+2 |
| 06:38.13 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: it takes N+2 where N >= 2 |
| 06:38.16 | Shirik | if it does manage that, then yes it is the same :) |
| 06:38.21 | Codayus_ | Shirik: It takes n drives, uses 2 for parity, and gives you n-2 usable. Just like raid 5, which takes n drives, uses 1 for parity, giving n-1 usable |
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| 06:38.44 | Shirik | ah I see the difference |
| 06:38.48 | Shirik | Hamming code is exponential |
| 06:38.50 | Shirik | RAID 6 is linear |
| 06:39.24 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Par2 |
| 06:39.26 | Codayus_ | n must be greater than 2 for raid 5, and 3 for raid 6, obviously. :) And note that it uses 2 drives worth of space for parity; parity is distributed throughout the entire volume. |
| 06:39.35 | Arrowmaster | hmm ZFS is linked to from the par2 article |
| 06:39.57 | Arrowmaster | Codayus_: you an make a raid 6 from 2 drives |
| 06:39.58 | Arrowmaster | er |
| 06:39.59 | Arrowmaster | 4 |
| 06:40.24 | Shirik | ah well, I'm sure all of this has been considered by someone more experienced than me |
| 06:40.27 | Codayus_ | Arrowmaster: "n must be greater than [...] 3 for raid 6" |
| 06:40.30 | Shirik | if people use 5/6 over 2, then there must be a reason |
| 06:40.43 | Arrowmaster | you cant use 3 drives total for raid 6 |
| 06:40.47 | Shirik | it's surely simpler to calculate |
| 06:40.52 | Arrowmaster | that would be a 3 drive raid 1 |
| 06:41.02 | Corrodias | as i understand, 2 is partly pointless with hard drives that implement their own ECC |
| 06:41.04 | Codayus_ | Arrowmaster: Ummm. The phrase "greater than" means >, no >= |
| 06:41.07 | Corrodias | that's what the article i read said, anyway |
| 06:41.12 | Arrowmaster | Codayus_: doh |
| 06:41.28 | Shirik | Corrodias: I find that to be a flawed argument |
| 06:41.38 | Shirik | that's like saying "It's already got error correction, so we don't need to verify it" |
| 06:41.47 | Corrodias | verify? |
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| 06:42.03 | Codayus_ | Shirik: Might be something as simple as "easier/cheaper/faster to implement the algorithm in hardware"? |
| 06:42.08 | Corrodias | http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/perf/raid/levels/singleLevel2-c.html |
| 06:42.23 | Codayus_ | RAID controllers are expensive enough doing simple parity, which I assume is easier than hamming codes? (Or not?) |
| 06:42.23 | Corrodias | second paragraph of the description |
| 06:42.43 | Arrowmaster | simple parity is just XOR |
| 06:42.49 | Shirik | Codayus_: It would in fact be quite expensive |
| 06:42.57 | Shirik | you need an exponentially increasing number of drives :) |
| 06:43.08 | Shirik | Hamming code doesn't work with in-between numbers |
| 06:43.10 | Shirik | they must be powers of 2 |
| 06:43.26 | Shirik | well not exactly |
| 06:43.33 | Shirik | I guess you could assume 0s |
| 06:43.47 | Shirik | but it gets ugly :) |
| 06:44.02 | Shirik | anyway, RAID 5/6 does seem simpler, and thus ostensibly cheaper |
| 06:44.13 | Codayus_ | A typical raid 2 setup required 10 data disks and 4 ECC disks, or 32 data disks ands 7 ECC disks. |
| 06:44.16 | Codayus_ | Oo |
| 06:44.17 | Shirik | It's also unlikely that one would need more than 2 drive failure protection |
| 06:44.33 | Shirik | those are strange numbers... |
| 06:44.38 | Codayus_ | From Corrodias' link |
| 06:44.45 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: oh i guess par2 isnt hamming its reed-solomon http://parchive.sourceforge.net/docs/specifications/parity-volume-spec/article-spec.html |
| 06:44.45 | Shirik | if you're going to do 10+4 then you can go to 16+4 I think |
| 06:45.05 | Shirik | I haven't done hamming encoding in a long time I may be off a bit on my numbers |
| 06:45.38 | Codayus_ | And only one drive can fail and be recoverable on the fly. And...yeah, the controller would be much more complicated/expensive. |
| 06:45.50 | Codayus_ | Yeaaah, that's terrible. :) |
| 06:46.14 | Shirik | on the fly is the key word |
| 06:46.25 | Shirik | with work you can recover the rest, but it takes time |
| 06:46.44 | Shirik | anyway, Hamming code is used a lot more in communications |
| 06:47.10 | Shirik | hm, wait a second |
| 06:47.13 | Shirik | how can RAID 6 possibly work |
| 06:47.26 | Shirik | you sure it's, for n drives, n-2 effective? |
| 06:47.28 | Shirik | always? |
| 06:47.36 | Codayus_ | Shirik: Always. It's very simple. |
| 06:47.42 | Shirik | Oh |
| 06:47.45 | Shirik | I guess you know which drive failed |
| 06:47.48 | Shirik | that's the secret |
| 06:47.59 | Shirik | Hamming code works even when you don't know which bit is wrong |
| 06:48.07 | Shirik | That's why it's so much more costly |
| 06:49.04 | Arrowmaster | if your controller is verifying parity on reads it will figure it out if it doesnt know which drive is bad, unless more than 2 are bad |
| 06:49.13 | Shirik | right, just saying |
| 06:49.19 | Shirik | in communications, you don't know that |
| 06:49.33 | Shirik | It was really bothering me like "RAID 6 is so much more efficient... why don't we do this" |
| 06:49.51 | Shirik | and then it hit me "you have no idea which bit is wrong" -- in a hardware situation that's not true anymore |
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| 06:53.40 | Shirik | Arrowmaster raises a valid point though |
| 06:53.52 | Shirik | do I pay the extra bucks for hardware raid |
| 06:54.25 | Shirik | crap! I just realized the boards I've been looking at aren't dual processor anyway |
| 06:54.30 | Shirik | back to research I guess :/ |
| 06:54.42 | Arrowmaster | what are you looking for? |
| 06:55.00 | Arrowmaster | fyi there are no dual i7 boards, they dont exist and will never exist |
| 06:55.02 | Codayus_ | If your looking for a workstation config, and are primarily concerned about performance... I vote raid 10 and a decent mobo. Simple, cheap. It's really only for various server applications that I think you want to look at raid 6 with a real controller. |
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| 06:55.46 | Arrowmaster | if you want dual i7 you have to go dual xeon with the new xeons |
| 06:55.57 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: I'm not limiting myself to anything |
| 06:56.01 | Codayus_ | (There's lots of edge cases. But that's a good general rule, I think.) |
| 06:56.04 | Shirik | Xeon is reasonable |
| 06:56.29 | Shirik | Codayus_: I'm not sure what this box will be yet. It will either be a top-end workstation or low-end server |
| 06:56.44 | Shirik | There are two use cases which are unfortunately mutually exclusive |
| 06:57.06 | Shirik | I need to run web services which take up about 2.5GB of RAM in worst case with about 10 simultaneous connections |
| 06:57.31 | Shirik | And I need a workstation to do some intensive 3d modeling work and simulation |
| 06:57.37 | Arrowmaster | this is ammusing from that pcguide site |
| 06:57.40 | Arrowmaster | "On the lower end of the RAID 5 market, the rise of hot swapping and automatic rebuild features for RAID 5 have made RAID 6 even less desirable, since with these advanced features a RAID 5 array can recover from a single drive failure in a matter of hours (where without them, RAID 5 would require downtime for rebuilding, giving RAID 6 a substantial advantage.)" |
| 06:57.40 | Shirik | (In the latter case, some gaming potential would be nice too :3 ) |
| 06:57.58 | Arrowmaster | increasing harddrive size made that statement false |
| 06:58.12 | Shirik | I lol at that at all Arrowmaster |
| 06:58.21 | Shirik | He seems to imply running the computer in RAID 6 with one drive dead is OK |
| 06:58.41 | Shirik | no... as soon as one drive dies, I would take it down... |
| 06:58.49 | Shirik | you don't put things at risk |
| 06:58.59 | Arrowmaster | increasing harddrive sizes made situations where a 2nd drive would fail during the raid 5 rebuild because of the stress thats put on the drives since every drive must be read from the beginning to the end in a rebuild |
| 06:59.57 | Jerub | meh. RAIDZ :) |
| 07:00.19 | Arrowmaster | even in an offline rebuild the failure rates got higher than desirable depending on array size and disk size |
| 07:00.25 | Codayus_ | And then there's issues with the number of drives used too, of course. In some use cases, RAID 5 performance increases broadly linearly with the number of drives used. ...and so, of course, does the failure rate of the array as a whole. :) |
| 07:00.25 | Arrowmaster | Jerub: meh, ZFS |
| 07:00.40 | Jerub | :) |
| 07:01.09 | Codayus_ | Big RAID 5 arrays have an unfortunate tendency to fail hard. :-/ |
| 07:01.38 | smcn | does anyone have a clue why people (well, enchanters) are so upset about the disenchant button |
| 07:01.40 | Jerub | I have a significant number of systems with raid0, and a big storage array with raid z+2 |
| 07:01.40 | Arrowmaster | big arrays is what ZFS is replacing |
| 07:02.06 | Jerub | smcn: what's the disenchant button? |
| 07:02.26 | smcn | in 3.3 there will be another roll option to disenchant if you have an enchanter w/proper skill in your group |
| 07:02.30 | Arrowmaster | smcn: because they cant take advantage of other people anymore |
| 07:02.32 | Jerub | !!!! |
| 07:02.34 | Jerub | that's win. |
| 07:03.10 | Arrowmaster | like conveniently forget to hand out shards if nobody reminds them |
| 07:03.12 | Jerub | smcn: my guess is that hter'es a huge number of enchanters who have been getting free shards and crystals for a long time from ambivilent puggers. |
| 07:03.14 | Shirik | Maybe an i9 is the best choice |
| 07:03.48 | smcn | Arrowmaster: yeah, really what i'm wondering is if there's a reasoning against it that isn't evil or selfish |
| 07:03.57 | Arrowmaster | nope |
| 07:08.18 | Jerub | if it wouldn't take too long to explain and be too complicated for the enchanter, i'd have a system of 'greed for de' and then trade the item to the enchanter at the end of the instance for the de. |
| 07:08.25 | Jerub | that way winning a roll == get a shard. |
| 07:08.38 | Jerub | the system of pass for de sucks. |
| 07:09.11 | Jerub | is in favour of doing anything that doesn't require explaination to a pug |
| 07:09.13 | Esamynn | so the roll for DE button actually shards the item the awards the shard? |
| 07:09.27 | Jerub | Esamynn: probably. |
| 07:10.39 | Jerub | ahh, i think i know why it's important in 3.3 |
| 07:11.08 | Jerub | if cross-realm pugging is in, then maybe they're going to block cross-realm trading, so you'll have to have a button to allow you to disenchant stuff because you can't trade the shard. |
| 07:11.29 | Esamynn | ahh, this is a good point |
| 07:11.52 | Esamynn | though if they block trading period, you can't then hand around an item after it's been won :( |
| 07:12.31 | Esamynn | I love that feature |
| 07:12.37 | Jerub | even if they allow trading only of stuff inside the traidng period, there's no mechanism to distinguish a shard |
| 07:12.48 | Esamynn | true |
| 07:13.47 | Jerub | cross realm pugs are a nirvana that i hope is as good as it seems. |
| 07:14.37 | Shirik | I don't understand what good can possibly come out of it |
| 07:14.40 | Shirik | Esamynn! |
| 07:14.44 | Shirik | Where have you been hiding all my life |
| 07:14.54 | Shirik | my life == a few weeks long |
| 07:14.55 | Shirik | fyi |
| 07:14.58 | Esamynn | hides |
| 07:15.08 | Shirik | :( |
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| 07:15.14 | Esamynn | hey Shirik |
| 07:15.18 | Jerub | Shirik: pug groups on tap |
| 07:15.19 | Shirik | You know what's awesome? |
| 07:15.22 | Jerub | 24/7 heroic farming |
| 07:15.24 | Shirik | JIRA 4 + GreenHopper |
| 07:15.28 | Shirik | have you played with it? |
| 07:15.42 | Esamynn | no |
| 07:15.46 | Shirik | I have JIRA... in my gmail now |
| 07:15.50 | Shirik | and Bamboo for that matter |
| 07:15.51 | Esamynn | ... |
| 07:15.57 | Shirik | And on igoogle |
| 07:16.16 | Shirik | They changed all the portlets over to Google Gadgets so you can add the components to anything that supports that API |
| 07:16.24 | Shirik | and you can add other gadgets to JIRA as well |
| 07:16.29 | Shirik | such as putting your mail in JIRA :) |
| 07:16.36 | Shirik | it's really cool |
| 07:17.16 | Shirik | But GreenHopper is whatI really like. Perfect for true agile teams. It tells you how on-track you are the current iteration (or, in my case this iteration, how horribly bad you're doing this iteration) |
| 07:17.25 | Shirik | anyway |
| 07:17.26 | Shirik | time for sleep |
| 07:17.28 | Shirik | baibai |
| 07:17.39 | Esamynn | good night |
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| 07:30.13 | Fisker- | Sikke voldsom trængsel og alarm Shirik|AFK |
| 07:32.49 | Fisker- | ~kiss fisker- |
| 07:32.49 | purl | ACTION forces fisker- to give Dotted a big kiss on the forehead |
| 07:33.24 | Dotted | throws a keyboard at Fisker- |
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| 07:36.53 | Fisker- | then you can't type you're doing it Dotted |
| 07:36.54 | Fisker- | duh |
| 07:37.35 | Dotted | learn to know the difference between a keyboard and my only keyboard |
| 07:37.42 | Dotted | duh |
| 07:40.27 | Fisker- | fuck you |
| 07:40.29 | Fisker- | duh |
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| 07:49.55 | bleeter | Berlin Block Tetris http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7Ly2AY-TUc |
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| 08:01.28 | Fisker- | it's shopped bleeter |
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| 08:08.54 | bleeter | nowai |
| 08:09.31 | Fisker- | orly? |
| 08:09.53 | bleeter | buttsecks |
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| 08:22.17 | Fisker- | Can you guys help me with a captcha? |
| 08:22.26 | Fisker- | http://i36.tinypic.com/2s8pjza.jpg |
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| 08:22.54 | _rane | yyYYYy |
| 08:22.59 | _rane | you're welcome |
| 08:23.06 | Fisker- | fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuu _rane |
| 08:23.11 | Fisker- | and it's not case sensitive |
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| 08:23.20 | Fisker- | Way to miss the point :( |
| 08:23.27 | Trela | Good evening Fisker. |
| 08:25.43 | Fisker- | good morning Trela |
| 08:25.58 | Trela | Technically correct! |
| 08:35.50 | bleeter | Fisker-: brilliant |
| 08:35.56 | Fisker- | wut? |
| 08:36.02 | bleeter | the captcha |
| 08:36.16 | Fisker- | ah |
| 08:36.16 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 08:39.47 | Fisker- | Need Before Greed will now recognize gear appropriate for a class in three ways: the class must be able to equip the item, pure melee will be unable to roll on spellpower items, and classes are limited to their dominant armor type (for example, plate for paladins). All items will still be available via greed rolls should no member be able to use the item as well as the new disenchant option will be available for all parties. |
| 08:39.49 | Fisker- | bawwwwwwww ninjas |
| 08:41.02 | bleeter | it never ceases to amaze me when blizz discover that some stuff ain't rocket surgery |
| 08:41.31 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 08:41.59 | Fisker- | All they need now is to fix tardninjas who ninja an item, then logoff, then leave the rest of the loot on the corpse |
| 08:42.34 | Fisker- | But heck i guess in Cataclysm they'll remove masterlooter from pugs :P |
| 08:42.40 | Fisker- | infact why the heck not? |
| 08:43.00 | Fisker- | that atleast ensures everyone has an equal chance at ninjaing items |
| 08:43.56 | _rane | so I won't be able to need on caster cloth/leather as a caster shaman |
| 08:44.56 | ZorbaBeta | I kinda wish they'd rig it so that you could still click "need" but it was, like, a second tier of need |
| 08:45.04 | ZorbaBeta | higher priority than greed, lower priority than normal need |
| 08:45.08 | ZorbaBeta | but this is certainly an improvement |
| 08:45.19 | _rane | something like that |
| 08:45.45 | Fisker- | [...] Yes. I'm not sure if everyone realizes that. Need Before Greed is forced when you add random players to a 5-player group. You can use whatever loot system you choose when you use /invite to form the group. |
| 08:45.51 | Fisker- | They should just do that for LFR then |
| 08:46.58 | Fisker- | i didn't even know a "Need before greed" system existed |
| 08:47.08 | Fisker- | I only know round robin, group loot, ffa and master looter |
| 08:47.10 | Fisker- | :o |
| 08:47.58 | Fisker- | Looks like heroic timers are gone as well then |
| 08:48.02 | Fisker- | gg badge farming |
| 08:49.11 | Fisker- | i wonder if ignore/vote kick is factored in when doing random dungeons |
| 08:49.17 | Fisker- | that'll teach ninjas :3 |
| 08:50.35 | ZorbaBeta | heroic timers? like, the 24-hour cooldown? |
| 08:51.53 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 08:51.55 | Fisker- | and not completely |
| 08:52.03 | Fisker- | but you can run any random heroic as many times you want |
| 08:52.08 | Fisker- | bypassing the cooldown |
| 08:52.16 | ZorbaBeta | ah, interesting, but you can't farm a specific heroic? |
| 08:52.18 | msoul | blizz is making it so easy for everyone to gear up pretty quick |
| 08:52.19 | Fisker- | But if you run specific heroics it's still there |
| 08:52.29 | ZorbaBeta | that's actually a pretty clever way to do it |
| 08:52.34 | msoul | your alt hits lvl 80 today 2 weeks from now you're fully geared for togc25 |
| 08:52.44 | ZorbaBeta | adds more of an incentive to do random heroics, cleans up some complicated random-heroic code, *and* doesn't permit farming |
| 08:53.04 | Jerub | stupid sinister squashling |
| 08:53.15 | ZorbaBeta | alright, I was skeptical about completely removing the 24-hour cooldown, but that idea is a good one :) |
| 08:53.22 | ZorbaBeta | jerub I've already trashed two of them :D |
| 08:53.34 | Fisker- | i finally got my helm |
| 08:53.41 | Fisker- | now i only need a mask for all occasions |
| 08:53.54 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: are they BOP? |
| 08:54.00 | ZorbaBeta | http://geekner.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/69/6956f4b50360a71e90ff131c9b02c4fa27efbfe0.jpg :D |
| 08:54.01 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, yeah |
| 08:54.04 | Jerub | the helms aren't. |
| 08:54.15 | Jerub | and i have two fo them :( |
| 08:54.24 | ZorbaBeta | the Hallowed Helm is |
| 08:54.28 | Jerub | I need a squashling for this achievement, and it's a random drop :( |
| 08:54.40 | ZorbaBeta | keep trick-or-treating and doing HH |
| 08:54.45 | Jerub | h, misred, it is. |
| 08:54.56 | Jerub | anyway. off again. |
| 08:54.57 | Fisker- | it is forbidden ZorbaBeta :( |
| 08:55.40 | ZorbaBeta | fisker, bah, I don't feel like rehosting |
| 08:55.56 | ZorbaBeta | if you go to forums.somethingawful.com and then go there it should work once you refresh, it checks your referrer. anyway I got it yesterday :D |
| 08:56.09 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 08:56.10 | Fisker- | i got it |
| 08:56.13 | Fisker- | anyways |
| 08:56.24 | Fisker- | you also got them from last year i presume :( |
| 08:56.41 | Fisker- | Blizzard was doing corn patrol |
| 08:56.43 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I started with 12 this year |
| 08:57.19 | Fisker- | fffuuu |
| 08:57.28 | Fisker- | i\ve gotten 12 sofar |
| 08:57.37 | Fisker- | so i still need 8 |
| 08:57.39 | Fisker- | only got 3 days |
| 08:57.58 | Fisker- | stupid Blizzard and their corn patrol |
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| 09:01.32 | Fisker- | that was quick Torhal|Sleep |
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| 09:17.06 | Fisker- | Wobin |
| 09:17.12 | Fisker- | i ain't afraid of no ghosts |
| 09:17.15 | Fisker- | also |
| 09:17.17 | Fisker- | the game |
| 09:22.32 | Wobin | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/funny-pictures-cat-got-you-a-box.jpg |
| 09:24.32 | Wobin | also lol@S*P |
| 09:36.02 | Fisker- | :( |
| 09:36.08 | Fisker- | 96% of all our emails are spam |
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| 09:46.03 | bleeter | u r spam |
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| 09:49.41 | Torhal | Fisker-: Foo. OCD kicks in. Code > sleep. |
| 09:50.00 | Fisker- | :O |
| 09:50.15 | Fisker- | in b4 compiling though |
| 10:05.33 | Arrowmaster | im a horrible person, i started watching an anime series because of a 2 second gif from 4chan that theres no fucking way ill admit to what it was of |
| 10:07.09 | _rane | I think we all know answer to that question! |
| 10:07.30 | Stanzilla | boobies |
| 10:07.46 | Arrowmaster | fine but only to clear up the misunderstanding, cats |
| 10:08.38 | Arrowmaster | go find the 'nyan koi' opening and youll figure it out |
| 10:16.47 | Ginji | tentacles |
| 10:18.27 | tem | I'm sorry, Arrowmaster, but there isn't a single thing in that OP that I can find that when cut into a gif would make me download the series |
| 10:18.44 | Arrowmaster | thats why im a horrible person |
| 10:18.57 | tem | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywNLpCyIUmg |
| 10:19.02 | tem | tell me what time to look at |
| 10:19.23 | Arrowmaster | why the fuck is youtube so loud |
| 10:19.39 | tem | because your speakers are on loud |
| 10:20.24 | Arrowmaster | no they arent |
| 10:21.12 | Fisker- | i gotta fucking pee |
| 10:21.24 | Arrowmaster | mplayer set at 100% in addition to also being set to artificially increase volume by 20% is no where close to youtube at 100% |
| 10:21.31 | Arrowmaster | was the same on my windows computer |
| 10:24.19 | Arrowmaster | tem: 109 or so maybe |
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| 10:24.44 | tem | facepalm |
| 10:24.52 | Arrowmaster | i told you |
| 10:25.20 | Arrowmaster | show is funny though |
| 10:27.17 | Fisker- | the movie is only 90 seconds long Arrowmaster |
| 10:27.56 | Fisker- | lulz |
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| 11:05.02 | Cruciformer | Is there anyone on with Curse-fu that can nudge along the approval of my file (project ksk)? Much obliged if you can. |
| 11:13.31 | Fisker- | i got fu Cruciformer |
| 11:19.42 | Elkano | cf or ace? |
| 11:20.36 | Elkano | ok, cf... |
| 11:23.40 | Elkano | Cruciformer, fu'ed you |
| 11:25.53 | Fisker- | no i fu you Elkano |
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| 11:40.40 | Wobin | zomg |
| 11:40.41 | Wobin | http://www.chromeextensions.org/appearance-functioning/adblock/ |
| 11:40.54 | Wobin | finally |
| 11:41.59 | Fisker- | no Wobin |
| 11:42.02 | Fisker- | rather old |
| 11:42.19 | Wobin | Your mom is rather old |
| 11:42.55 | Fisker- | there's been adblock for like a billion years now |
| 11:43.47 | Wobin | So's your mom |
| 11:44.32 | Fisker- | no u(r mom) |
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| 12:21.34 | Fisker- | goodbye cruel wobin |
| 12:25.59 | Kalroth | woohoo |
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| 12:37.15 | Aelobin | how would a library handle different versions of a global function? :S |
| 12:37.41 | Grum | not make them global? :D |
| 12:37.54 | Aelobin | hmm |
| 12:38.14 | Aelobin | how are addons gonna run it then? :P |
| 12:38.24 | Grum | lib.function() ? |
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| 12:38.42 | Grum | or: LibStub("Library"):function() |
| 12:41.58 | Aelobin | its confuzzing me :< |
| 12:44.53 | Grum | howso? |
| 12:45.22 | Kalroth | It's the Grum effect |
| 12:45.28 | Wobin | You've been Grummed! |
| 12:45.36 | Aelobin | :O |
| 12:45.42 | Aelobin | i feel abused |
| 12:45.48 | Grum | :( |
| 12:46.00 | Grum | but what is confusing, then maybe i can explain it :) |
| 12:46.07 | Aelobin | ok i'll try explain myself :) |
| 12:46.16 | Lopeppeppy | no, that take too long. let me sum up. |
| 12:46.21 | Lopeppeppy | is in a weeeeird mood. |
| 12:46.40 | Aelobin | i'm making a library which has some global functions (for the addons that use the library to run), such as AddCategory(oh, hai, thar) |
| 12:47.00 | Aelobin | but problem is, when loading the library, if its a different major version, it's just overwriting the global function anyway |
| 12:47.03 | Grum | ok, first of all, any library has no functions in _G (no global functions) |
| 12:47.12 | Aelobin | :) |
| 12:47.19 | Grum | or they shouldnt as it isn't really working with different versions (as you just ran into) |
| 12:47.50 | Aelobin | im confused how you make it local with libstub |
| 12:47.59 | Grum | if you look at most code, you see things like: x = LibStub("LibraryX-1.0"); and then x:function() |
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| 12:48.32 | Aelobin | yeh |
| 12:48.43 | Grum | in your case, major versions of a library will have a different name, as they will be LibraryX-2.0 |
| 12:48.53 | Aelobin | ah yeh |
| 12:49.04 | Grum | so that separates them out; in a minor update they usually provide an upgrade path |
| 12:49.41 | Grum | which is often not more than: 'i have the old "lib" with all the functions in it' and then 'overwrite all old functions with the new ones' |
| 12:50.20 | Grum | LibStub itself will give back the information on whether it already loaded a 'lower version lib' (or higher and then you can bail) |
| 12:50.42 | Grum | mm i think it just gives back 'higher' so you can bail, so you should assume that you need to perform the upgrade path i think |
| 12:50.49 | Grum | look into libraries to see how they do it :D |
| 12:50.59 | Grum | stealing is the best way of learning in this case ;) |
| 12:51.29 | Lopeppeppy | studying! |
| 12:51.36 | Grum | yeah =) |
| 12:51.41 | Aelobin | hmm |
| 12:51.55 | Aelobin | so i use the NewLibrary(MAJOR,MINOR) which returns a table |
| 12:52.01 | Grum | it sounds harder than it is :P |
| 12:52.12 | Aelobin | then when declaring my functions i do tbl:AddCategory(lol) |
| 12:52.22 | Grum | if the table is 'tbl' yeah |
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| 12:52.43 | Aelobin | and how would the actual addon which is using my library access tbl:AddCategory(lol) ? |
| 12:52.43 | Grum | you know the different between tbl.function and tbl:function ? |
| 12:52.53 | Aelobin | tbl:function passes tbl in as the first arguement |
| 12:53.06 | Grum | Aelobin: by doing: LibStub("...") and that give back 'tbl' |
| 12:53.15 | Grum | and then they can call: tbl:AddCategory() |
| 12:53.24 | Aelobin | ah ok |
| 12:53.32 | Aelobin | thats where i was confuzzled then |
| 12:53.33 | Grum | or tbl.AddCategory( tbl, .... ) |
| 12:53.52 | Aelobin | i was thinking my library has to manage libstub and the addon using my library just uses the library :P |
| 12:54.13 | Aelobin | gonna need to recode a lot of it now :< |
| 12:54.14 | Grum | mmm, no your library is 'made public' through libstub |
| 12:54.26 | Grum | and you use libstub to access the library later |
| 12:54.44 | Grum | and libstub gives you the hint on if there was a newer version already |
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| 12:54.52 | Aelobin | hehe ty |
| 12:55.27 | Grum | and really, take a look at other small libraries |
| 12:55.32 | Aelobin | i am doing :) |
| 12:55.42 | Grum | (dont look at libstub itself hehe) |
| 12:56.02 | Aelobin | all i had before was: |
| 12:56.20 | Aelobin | local MA_Lib, oldminor = LibStub:NewLibrary("MyAddon-1.0", 1); |
| 12:56.22 | Aelobin | if not MA_Lib then return end; |
| 12:56.35 | Grum | yeah, that is the: i was already loaded *or* a higher version |
| 12:57.15 | Grum | and depending on your addon you might have certain datastructures in your library that need to be upgraded as well, so you can recognize which version they came from by the 'oldminor' which is given back |
| 12:57.52 | Aelobin | think i figured taht bit out :) |
| 12:59.09 | Grum | i think what people then usually do is something like: local lib = {}; lots of function lib:xxxx () end etc and then at the end copy all of the things from 'lib' into 'MA_lib' |
| 12:59.22 | Grum | which would be the 'upgrading' of the old library |
| 12:59.37 | Grum | (ea just putting the new functions on the spots of the old ones) |
| 13:00.14 | Aelobin | is it ok to just do: if not MA_lib then return end and then just function MA:xxxx() |
| 13:00.24 | Aelobin | *MA_lib |
| 13:00.54 | Grum | that is the same effect i think, just not as implicit |
| 13:01.02 | Aelobin | ok cool, thanks |
| 13:01.04 | Grum | again, check how others did it, last time i made a library was eons ago :) |
| 13:01.10 | Aelobin | ^^ |
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| 13:19.58 | Adys | Did they change A Mask for all Occasions overnight? |
| 13:20.10 | Adys | all of a sudden i stopped getting dupe masks |
| 13:20.19 | Grum | that means you are lucky |
| 13:20.20 | Lopeppeppy | Random is random? |
| 13:20.28 | Grum | and we hate lucky! =D |
| 13:20.43 | Adys | no, 4 chars going from 16 to 17 on the same treat is not luck |
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| 13:23.17 | Grum | it is extreme luck indeed |
| 13:23.26 | Grum | still qualifies as luck though |
| 13:28.06 | Lopeppeppy | Random is random, even when you dont' think it is. Otherwise, check the forums to see if they've posted any hot patches. |
| 13:28.52 | Kalroth | Or at least reports from other people experiencing the same, hence why he asked here :p |
| 13:30.10 | ZorbaBeta | I personally got few enough dupes that I'd consider it statistically interesting, but I've also seen screenshots of people getting the same mask three times in a row |
| 13:30.13 | ZorbaBeta | I suspect we're both lucky |
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| 13:32.05 | Wobin | NINE NINE NINE NINE NINE NINE NINE NINE |
| 13:33.11 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 13:33.15 | Fisker | eight |
| 13:35.42 | Wobin | NINE |
| 13:37.53 | Lopeppeppy | 42 |
| 13:38.48 | haste | 24 |
| 13:39.31 | Wobin | NINE =( |
| 13:39.36 | Lopeppeppy | Why? |
| 13:39.45 | ZorbaBeta | NEIN! |
| 13:40.06 | Kalroth | Wobin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14IRDDnEPR4 |
| 13:40.28 | haste | it's obvious what Wobin is refering to tho' :p |
| 13:40.38 | haste | http://www.random.org/analysis/dilbert.jpg :D |
| 13:40.45 | Wobin | http://www.virtualp.us/Dilbert-Oct_25_001.jpg |
| 13:40.50 | Kalroth | :D |
| 13:41.02 | haste | could you find a larger image Wobin :p ? |
| 13:41.12 | Wobin | I didn't want it unreadable =) |
| 13:41.24 | Wobin | Kalroth, The german version is better imo =) |
| 13:41.28 | haste | it's so large, that it is unreadable! |
| 13:41.46 | Kalroth | Wobin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQYQTFudrqc yeah |
| 13:43.31 | Wobin | haste, woo coloured: http://www.dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/000000/00000/2000/300/2318/2318.strip.gif |
| 13:43.45 | Wobin | (god knows what's up with that directory structure) |
| 13:44.41 | haste | those URLs... |
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| 13:48.14 | Legorol | Morning |
| 13:48.37 | Legorol | Has anyone checked out the new LFG system on PTR? For the most part it's a great upgrade imo, but I have come across the following issue: |
| 13:48.40 | Wobin | hehe Eliza Dushku playing WoW |
| 13:48.52 | digmouse | Legorol: it's FANTASTIC! |
| 13:49.06 | Legorol | It tries to group people based on their equipped gear level (as stated by blues), but you can select multiple roles. |
| 13:49.18 | digmouse | yes? |
| 13:49.18 | Legorol | So what happens when it matches you based on your currently equipped (say dps) gear, to a tanking role? |
| 13:49.42 | Legorol | Equipped gear-based matching and multiple role selection don't work together. |
| 13:49.43 | digmouse | that would be rear imo |
| 13:49.50 | Legorol | This will be a real problem imo |
| 13:49.54 | Wobin | one thing it'll do, however, is lose out on meeting cool people on your own server |
| 13:50.12 | Wobin | There've been a few times I've gotten new guildies out of a good pug |
| 13:50.12 | digmouse | u can still LFG in your local LFG channel anyway |
| 13:50.20 | Wobin | but who will? =P |
| 13:50.26 | Legorol | More to the point, you will be able to do this: you have crap dps gear but good healing gear? You want to be boosted through? Put on your healing gear, select dps/healing as your roles, and hope the system assigns you dps role |
| 13:50.28 | Wobin | when the cross realm lfg is faster |
| 13:50.40 | Wobin | Legorol, hehe that'll never happen =P |
| 13:51.00 | Legorol | well true, but the opposite (and worse) can happen: |
| 13:51.07 | Legorol | you have good dps gear and crap tank gear, you queue for both |
| 13:51.24 | Legorol | you get assigned to a highly geared group based on your dps gear, and you then take ages through instance due to having crap tank gear |
| 13:51.31 | Legorol | that will frustrate others |
| 13:51.59 | Legorol | the point is, multiple role selection completely bypasses the intention with gear matching |
| 13:52.34 | Legorol | Blizz has (for now) put in restrictions on what dungeons you can do via the system if your gear level is still low |
| 13:52.49 | Legorol | but you can bypass that by putting on gear for another role |
| 13:54.08 | Legorol | Or here is another issue: i am doing daily quests in my (crappy) dps gear, i queue to LFG as a tank. |
| 13:54.22 | Legorol | If i get matched based on my dps gear that i have currently on, that'll be a disaster |
| 13:55.10 | Lukian | I'd hope it'd look at your gear sets |
| 13:55.16 | Lukian | afterall those are stored server-side |
| 13:55.39 | Legorol | but the system can't tell which one is for which role, even assuming you are using the inbuilt equipment manager, which many people don't |
| 13:56.09 | Wobin | They'll have to implement snapshots |
| 13:56.14 | Wobin | You wear your tank gear |
| 13:56.19 | Wobin | go into the photobooth |
| 13:56.23 | Wobin | and sign up as a tank |
| 13:56.24 | Legorol | That's what I was thinking too :) |
| 13:56.31 | Legorol | well not with a photobooth, but |
| 13:56.34 | Wobin | aw |
| 13:56.41 | Wobin | the photobooth would be awesome |
| 13:56.52 | Legorol | maybe if you could store gearsets a la equipment manager for the purposes of LFG, that'd be cool |
| 13:57.01 | Legorol | or, how about extending the equipment manager with a small option: |
| 13:57.12 | Wobin | "This is my boomstick" |
| 13:57.14 | Legorol | "flag this set as my tank/dps/heal/Hogger gear" |
| 13:57.17 | Legorol | yah exactly |
| 13:57.51 | Legorol | mm, i'm going to post this on the suggestion forum |
| 13:57.58 | Legorol | oh wait, EU has no suggestion forum |
| 13:58.20 | Legorol | /suggest, here i come |
| 14:00.07 | Fisker | EU does |
| 14:00.09 | Fisker | l2read |
| 14:00.38 | olafski | wouldn't that force people to use the equipment manager? |
| 14:01.12 | Fisker | is that a bad thing? |
| 14:01.35 | Wobin | I don't see why not |
| 14:01.49 | Wobin | you don't have to, you'll just get ranked on your normally equipped gear then |
| 14:02.11 | olafski | so you could still abuse it |
| 14:02.23 | Wobin | by putting up gear you don't have? |
| 14:02.38 | olafski | by signing up as a healer with crap healing gear but while wearing your dps gear |
| 14:02.56 | Wobin | Although, I dunno how it calculates the levels |
| 14:03.09 | Wobin | cause, as you say, there's some crossover with gear |
| 14:03.16 | Wobin | and if it's just on ilvl, then anything can be faked |
| 14:03.33 | Wobin | in any case |
| 14:03.42 | Wobin | if you turn up with majorly sucky gear |
| 14:03.48 | Wobin | they'll just vote you off the island |
| 14:03.54 | olafski | true dat :) |
| 14:04.57 | olafski | I like how I can now farm heroics infinitely, without being stopped by the "saved to all heroics" part |
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| 14:05.19 | Wobin | we don't get saved to heroics now? |
| 14:05.30 | olafski | yeah we do |
| 14:05.40 | olafski | but if you choose random you can still get into the same heroic twice |
| 14:06.05 | Wobin | hm |
| 14:06.06 | Wobin | but you might end up in Oculus =) |
| 14:06.39 | Wobin | anyhow |
| 14:06.40 | Wobin | night all |
| 14:06.58 | olafski | just go out +) |
| 14:07.05 | olafski | wait 15 minutes go again |
| 14:07.11 | olafski | less than 10% chance of getting oculus again |
| 14:07.25 | olafski | I just got the speed achievement in oculus without trying though.. not that bad |
| 14:15.59 | ZorbaBeta | I wonder if you end up saved to a heroic that you enter via Random |
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| 14:20.57 | Fisker | hey ZorbaBeta |
| 14:21.00 | Fisker | you awesome person |
| 14:21.52 | ZorbaBeta | what what |
| 14:21.55 | ZorbaBeta | I am pretty awesome it's true |
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| 14:26.53 | Parks | yo |
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| 14:30.13 | Legorol | ZorbaBeta: yes you end up saved if you enter via random, blue said so |
| 14:30.50 | ZorbaBeta | that's sorta unfortunate |
| 14:31.56 | Legorol | gah, Shartuul is still bugged :/ |
| 14:32.03 | Legorol | Shivan Assassin's Cleansing Flame is not working |
| 14:32.15 | Legorol | hard to do the event that way, especially the doggie's debuff |
| 14:32.22 | Legorol | managed it yesterday all the way, but not today :/ |
| 14:37.27 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 14:38.34 | Legorol | GearScore: my most hated addon to date |
| 14:38.47 | Legorol | I think it beats Carbonite |
| 14:40.03 | AckisWork | Fisker: sup |
| 14:40.24 | Shirik | lmao |
| 14:40.32 | Shirik | University switched over to new mail system, now they send out this email |
| 14:40.34 | Shirik | "Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 ( IE7) is the supported web browser for using ERAU Live Mail. Other browsers such as Firefox may work, but may have reduced features and functionality. Chrome and Linux are not compatible with any of the features and functionality of Live Mail." |
| 14:40.41 | Shirik | "We switched emails. So you can't use Linux anymore." |
| 14:40.44 | Shirik | ................ |
| 14:40.53 | AckisWork | what about IE8? |
| 14:41.00 | Shirik | That is exactly what they said |
| 14:41.02 | Shirik | and all they said |
| 14:41.04 | Parks | Legorol: now blizz is using gearscore! yaty! |
| 14:41.41 | olafski | what's wrong with carbonite? :o |
| 14:41.43 | Zyn | it's like they went 10 years back into the past! |
| 14:41.59 | AckisWork | olafski: it spams people... lots of people |
| 14:42.01 | mikma | haste: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/1_linus_torvalds.jpg |
| 14:42.20 | olafski | it does? |
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| 14:42.25 | olafski | never noticed :< |
| 14:42.54 | Ackis | olafski: watch the addon messages it sends, it spams your guild, anyone on your friends list, etc |
| 14:43.08 | olafski | does that hurt anyone? |
| 14:43.13 | olafski | I dunno how to watch said messages |
| 14:43.19 | olafski | but I'm not bothered by it :) |
| 14:44.09 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 14:44.19 | Ackis | olafski: it sends quite a bit of information out for no reason... 1 person using it, meh so so, 10 people using it? bad! |
| 14:44.41 | Ackis | olafski: think of a DDoS type situation (going to the extreme here, however illustrating a point) |
| 14:44.57 | olafski | is this information "useless" or useless? |
| 14:45.07 | olafski | i.e. is it the information that it actually claims to send or other stuff |
| 14:45.14 | Ackis | I don't use carbonite so it's useless for me |
| 14:45.36 | olafski | if you didn't use gatherer, the information that that sends is useless too |
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| 14:46.23 | olafski | or indeed any addon that communicates |
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| 14:46.46 | Ackis | olafski: that's only when the user hits "send to guild" or has sharing enabled and they pick up a node. Carbonite will spam you if you're sitting around with your thumb up your ass it seems |
| 14:46.57 | Ackis | olafski: get something called fubarspamfu |
| 14:47.14 | Ackis | olafski: you'll see the order of magnitude in differences between other addons and carbonite |
| 14:47.15 | olafski | but why would I want an addon that shows me stuff that doesn't bother me :/ |
| 14:47.23 | Arrowmaster | fucking power went out again..... |
| 14:47.36 | olafski | I assume then that these are the periodical location updates which carbonite does |
| 14:47.46 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/10/29/funny-pictures-was-a-little-less-love/ |
| 14:47.46 | Ackis | olafski: you're defending carbonite for spamming when you haven't looked at the raw data |
| 14:47.59 | Ackis | olafski: no, the amount of data compared to libguildpositions isn't even near |
| 14:48.13 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 14:48.17 | olafski | I'm not defending anything |
| 14:48.18 | Shirik | My grade sheet just went all chinese on my ass |
| 14:48.21 | olafski | I'm saying it doesn't bother me :P |
| 14:48.21 | Ackis | olafski: I'm talking about 100k of data sent by carbonite compared to like 1k by other addons at most |
| 14:48.43 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqDy0Nq2Rlg |
| 14:48.47 | mikma | jesus, that's cool |
| 14:49.31 | Ackis | olafski: and that is what the problem is, it doesn't bother you to spam other users |
| 14:49.46 | Ackis | carbonite clearly violates the addon UI policy tbh |
| 14:49.50 | Shirik | blackboard lost its mind: http://images.gammatester.com/pics/95030101dce7b2e38db3ca91b080ad7a.png |
| 14:49.56 | Shirik | how am I supposed to enter grades like that? |
| 14:50.10 | Ackis | Shirik: ni hao :P |
| 14:50.12 | olafski | if it did that, surely blizzard would do something about it ackis :{ |
| 14:50.51 | Ackis | olafski: are you sure about that? :P |
| 14:51.04 | Arrowmaster | no they wouldnt |
| 14:51.14 | olafski | isn't that what policies are for? |
| 14:51.20 | Arrowmaster | not until it drastically started effected people |
| 14:51.51 | Dezzimal | Many whelps! xxxxxxx has gone offline. yyyyyyyyyy has gone offline. zzzzzzzz has gone offline. |
| 14:52.17 | olafski | arrowmaster: so if it doesn't drastically affect people I'm sure it's okay +) |
| 14:52.20 | Grum | Dezzimal: that one you can solve, dont use any addons, dont show healthbars, dont use he combat log :D |
| 14:52.42 | Arrowmaster | olafski: drastically effect a majority of people |
| 14:52.43 | Ackis | Arrowmaster is a supporter of Carbonite. |
| 14:52.46 | Dezzimal | oh I'm fine and I'm running a redonkulous amount of addons |
| 14:52.52 | Fisker | why oh why do i bother explaining myself to pvp'ers Shirik? :( |
| 14:53.12 | Dezzimal | recount, /combatlog, aloft |
| 14:53.27 | Dezzimal | msbt + mindsear |
| 14:53.43 | Grum | oh yes. turn off msbt as well :P |
| 14:53.46 | Grum | else its 'slideshow!' |
| 14:53.47 | Dezzimal | choppy as hell even on a pretty robust computer but I don't DC |
| 14:53.59 | ZorbaBeta | ackis, 100k over how much time, though? |
| 14:54.00 | Grum | aye, i have drops to 0.5fps O.o |
| 14:54.10 | haste | mikma: what about it :p ? |
| 14:54.13 | Parks | Dezzimal: HANDLE IT! |
| 14:54.15 | ZorbaBeta | 'cause 100k over 10 minutes is pretty much a meaningless amount of data and even Blizzard might not care :P |
| 14:54.17 | Arrowmaster | guilds have had to ban carbonite and gearscore because blizzard hasnt |
| 14:54.22 | mikma | haste: HAI LOL HAHAHAHAHA. what? |
| 14:54.36 | mikma | that L4D2 demo is .. |
| 14:54.38 | haste | mikma: image |
| 14:54.39 | Dezzimal | Arrowmaster: you're talking about two guilds really |
| 14:54.45 | Dezzimal | serious casual and goonsquad |
| 14:54.52 | Grum | ZorbaBeta: that is still 600bytes per second, that is about 25% of blizzards traffic O.o |
| 14:54.53 | Dezzimal | because they have over 600 members apiece |
| 14:54.59 | mikma | haste: boobs. i can do it too |
| 14:55.00 | Ackis | ZorbaBeta: 10-15 minutes |
| 14:55.32 | ZorbaBeta | blizzard's traffic during idle periods, or during peak periods? |
| 14:55.32 | Dezzimal | that situation is a bit extenuating |
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| 14:55.46 | Grum | ZorbaBeta: blizzards traffic to a typical client |
| 14:55.52 | Grum | afaik it averages around 2.5kb/s |
| 14:56.12 | Seerah1 | cries at her new computer :( |
| 14:56.17 | ZorbaBeta | *shrug* then it's probably not a lag issue, since I suspect wow peaks higher than that. and it's possible blizzard just largely doesn't care. |
| 14:56.31 | ZorbaBeta | bandwidth is cheap. it may not be worth their effort to worry about. |
| 14:56.45 | Grum | i bandwidth on our side is cheap |
| 14:56.48 | Ackis | ZorbaBeta: blizzard doesn't care IMO |
| 14:56.49 | Grum | not on their side :) |
| 14:57.08 | Ackis | ZorbaBeta: but this was just with 1 user, imagine 20 people in a raid using it? |
| 14:57.11 | ZorbaBeta | on their side it's cheap, relative to the revenue involved. |
| 14:57.36 | ZorbaBeta | ackis, does it actually increase to 12kilobytes/second? because I don't actually believe it does |
| 14:59.24 | Grum | ZorbaBeta: on their side it is not cheap |
| 14:59.25 | Parks | can 1 person having a lot of addons affect other people in the group? |
| 14:59.50 | Seerah | it depends on what those addons do |
| 14:59.58 | Grum | no addon can justify 12kb/s |
| 14:59.59 | ZorbaBeta | grum, I disagree. It's cheap. One person uses nowhere near 15 cents of bandwidth per month. If it's less than 1% of their revenue, it's cheap. |
| 15:00.00 | Ackis | ZorbaBeta: never tested it with more than 2 people in a guild having it, and they were both sending the same amount of shit to me |
| 15:00.35 | Grum | ZorbaBeta: traffic is fucking expensive |
| 15:00.41 | Shirik | <!-- skelton table for non-accessible mode --> |
| 15:00.42 | Shirik | skelton! |
| 15:00.56 | ZorbaBeta | grum, not in the bulk that WoW buys it. |
| 15:01.22 | Shirik | ZorbaBeta: You work for Blizzard? Grats. Didn't hear that. |
| 15:01.24 | Grum | ZorbaBeta: yes even in that bulk |
| 15:01.32 | cog|work | "You might be a redneck if your neighborhood watch keeps a lookout for police" |
| 15:01.39 | Shirik | cog|work: lol |
| 15:01.42 | Grum | but this is not even the real problem |
| 15:01.43 | Shirik | ~lart cog|work |
| 15:01.43 | purl | smacks cog|work up side the head with a clue-by-4 |
| 15:02.04 | Ackis | I don't think the cost of bandwidth is ever an issue, it's more of a quality of play by having those addons spam you without the need to do it. |
| 15:02.05 | Grum | the higher the average throughput is per person, the less you can have on a gbit interface |
| 15:02.22 | Grum | so you get a physical limitation to it as well, and rather quickly when moron addons start pushing 12kb/s |
| 15:03.01 | Grum | and that is annoying as well, you can block them but it is your cpu+line which still eats the traffic |
| 15:03.01 | ZorbaBeta | how many people are on a server at once? under ten thousand? so that leaves 10kb/sec per person |
| 15:03.20 | ZorbaBeta | considering that I pulled the 12kb/sec number out of a hat, and don't believe it for a second, I don't think it gets anywhere near that amount of bandwidth usage. |
| 15:05.41 | ZorbaBeta | ackis, I agree that that's probably the bigger issue. I don't know how much Blizzard admins track that, or how they deal with it. They may be clever and bucket it. |
| 15:05.56 | ZorbaBeta | I wonder if addon messages occasionally get lost |
| 15:06.13 | Lopeppeppy | of coruse, without a compass |
| 15:06.51 | nevcairiel | pff compass, GPS! |
| 15:07.01 | Ackis | ZorbaBeta: and remember, not everyones connections are created equally... iirc you can play wow on dial-up still right? |
| 15:07.14 | Lopeppeppy | *can*, I would guess. |
| 15:07.19 | ZorbaBeta | ackis, yeah, I believe you can. which is why I'm wondering how it deals with a flood of addon messages |
| 15:07.36 | ZorbaBeta | if a hundred people start throwing addon messages at you, what happens? does it start dropping them randomly, or does it queue them up? |
| 15:08.18 | Ackis | but the bigger issue is that a simple authentication message and then a table of users using the mod would alleviate this whole issue and then the only thing I could bitch about if obfuscated code. |
| 15:09.05 | ZorbaBeta | it actually wouldn't fix it entirely unless blizzard started supporting multicast |
| 15:09.18 | ZorbaBeta | the big reason mods use guild-addon-message is because there's no better way to broadcast to "everyone" |
| 15:09.46 | nevcairiel | multicast is called chat channels :P |
| 15:09.48 | ZorbaBeta | your addon message rate is limited on the clientside, and you'd burn it real fuckin' fast trying to communicate with a hundred users individually. |
| 15:10.01 | Ackis | it'd fix part of the issue in the fact that it sends these messages to everyone on your friends list |
| 15:10.06 | ZorbaBeta | as I understand, there's no particularly clean way for UI mods to make their own chat channel. |
| 15:10.17 | ZorbaBeta | ackis, sure, but I suspect their priority is that their mod works well |
| 15:10.47 | Ackis | can trial accounts send addon messages? |
| 15:10.54 | Arrowmaster | 1300ms lag at my first hop......... |
| 15:11.10 | nevcairiel | probably can Ackis, since they don't get you anything |
| 15:11.33 | Ackis | creates 100 trial accounts, 100 boxes and adds ZorbaBeta to his friends list on all 100 with carbonite installed! |
| 15:11.35 | Ackis | :D |
| 15:11.46 | cog|work | out of context it's kinda funny that my grandmother has nearly twice as many facebook friends than i do... |
| 15:11.49 | olafski | ohnoes 120kb/s ;) |
| 15:11.52 | ZorbaBeta | go for it, I'm curious what it would do ;) |
| 15:12.11 | olafski | does this spamfu thing work if I don't have fubar? |
| 15:12.32 | Ackis | olafski: fubar2broker is what I use |
| 15:12.50 | olafski | hm |
| 15:12.52 | Seerah | though it may just give you a minimap button |
| 15:12.58 | Seerah | (without broker) |
| 15:13.02 | Ackis | ZorbaBeta: nah I can't be bothered :P just illustrating a point |
| 15:13.22 | ZorbaBeta | what's the point, that you don't know what the end result would be either? ;) |
| 15:13.42 | Ackis | ZorbaBeta: going back to my DDoS comment :P |
| 15:13.50 | Ackis | don't make me harp on QH for being a keylogger now :P |
| 15:13.52 | Ackis | :D |
| 15:14.40 | ZorbaBeta | I'm not convinced it actually would be a DDoS, however |
| 15:14.53 | ZorbaBeta | I suspect it would drop messages or do *something* else. I'm not sure though. |
| 15:15.04 | nevcairiel | it probably drops the messages before it would affect the client connection |
| 15:15.35 | nevcairiel | although its not like many tried yet |
| 15:17.56 | ZorbaBeta | I'll actually have to go experiment with this at some point, I may need to implement TCP/WoW |
| 15:19.06 | ZorbaBeta | I wonder if there's simple TCP/IP code anywhere, it'd be reasonably easy to port if so |
| 15:19.50 | cog|work | wtf... |
| 15:19.51 | cog|work | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1644468/does-net-have-any-built-in-constants-for-common-numbers-like-million-billion-et |
| 15:21.20 | Ackis | so QH steals your keys AND DDoSes you! |
| 15:21.44 | ZorbaBeta | actually, it wouldn't surprise me if this were the origin of some of the group-sharing bugs I've heard of |
| 15:21.51 | nevcairiel | ZorbaBeta: the protocol isnt hard, should be fairly easy to implement, just transmit sequence numbers and cache data until confirmed |
| 15:22.15 | nevcairiel | you don't need *every* aspect of tcp |
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| 15:23.54 | Legorol | Can you send a RAF request to yourself? |
| 15:24.08 | olafski | yes |
| 15:24.20 | Legorol | does RAF work on trial accounts too, or do i have to pay for a 2nd account |
| 15:24.32 | krka | err, RAF is MADE for trial accounts |
| 15:24.37 | Legorol | i'm just preplanning winter veil achis, and plan to RAF a trial account, and port the lvl 1s i make to myself for snowflakes |
| 15:24.39 | nevcairiel | you have to pay if you want the mount |
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| 15:24.58 | Legorol | i don't want the mount |
| 15:25.03 | ZorbaBeta | hey there's a new winter veil achievement |
| 15:25.06 | ZorbaBeta | and a misspelled one at that |
| 15:26.28 | nevcairiel | winter veil didnt really have any hard stuff in it, why would i need a bunch of lvl1 chars o.O |
| 15:26.58 | Legorol | the snowflakes: |
| 15:27.05 | Legorol | where you have to snow on specific race/class combos |
| 15:27.08 | Legorol | such as draenei priest |
| 15:27.29 | Legorol | sure i could run around looking for one... but easier to make one and teleport it to myself ;) |
| 15:27.34 | nevcairiel | i never had any issues with my own faction |
| 15:27.38 | Ackis | nerd |
| 15:27.41 | nevcairiel | the opposing faction was the trouble |
| 15:27.51 | Legorol | as an ally player, i can tell you that finding a draenei priest can be hard |
| 15:28.01 | nevcairiel | we had 2 in the guild last year |
| 15:28.11 | Legorol | you are the exception, not the rule imo |
| 15:28.19 | nevcairiel | with *2*? :P |
| 15:28.23 | nevcairiel | one shadow, one healy |
| 15:29.02 | nevcairiel | and even then, you could just ask a friend to create one, and not abuse more trial accounts <.< |
| 15:30.21 | Ackis | I have two wow/BC unused codes sitting at home =/ |
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| 15:36.36 | nevcairiel | the ntfs-3g linux driver is using 100% of one of my cores when copying my addons dir on a ntfs drive <.< |
| 15:36.42 | nevcairiel | wtf is wrong with that |
| 15:39.28 | ZorbaBeta | I just wandered into the newbie zone to find someone of the race/class I needed |
| 15:39.35 | ZorbaBeta | troll/whatever, as I remember. |
| 15:40.00 | ZorbaBeta | ran into a very confused lv8 troll, wondering why there was a lv80 draenai wandering around the newbie zone throwing snowflakes on him. |
| 15:40.10 | nevcairiel | hehe |
| 15:40.53 | Fisker | WobWork |
| 15:40.54 | Fisker | my friend |
| 15:44.25 | Ackis | when is the thanksgiving thing and the 5th year anniversary? |
| 15:45.23 | Lopeppeppy | One moment... |
| 15:45.42 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 15:45.56 | Lopeppeppy | WoW anniversary is the 23rd, can't tell you about thanksgiving but you can check the online calendar for that. |
| 15:45.57 | Parks | Lopeppeppy is loading |
| 15:46.04 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik dear. |
| 15:46.07 | Lopeppeppy | I am high on dayquil, beware. |
| 15:47.04 | kdtresh|work | is it the good dayquil with pseudo? |
| 15:47.49 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: aww that sucks I might have to do wow another month to get the 5th anniversary pet |
| 15:51.16 | olafski | hm |
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| 15:51.23 | olafski | after this horseman stuff will I have a rest of some weeks? |
| 15:51.23 | Lopeppeppy | kdtresh|work, no. |
| 15:51.29 | olafski | or more annoying seasonal bosses to farm |
| 15:51.30 | Lopeppeppy | But I do have good pseudo as well. |
| 15:51.35 | Lopeppeppy | Stacking is a good thing! |
| 15:51.47 | kdtresh|work | psuedo's the only thing that works for me |
| 15:51.47 | Ackis | olafski: when does halloween end? I don't even do horseman runs anymore :( |
| 15:52.04 | Ginji | tomorrow iirc |
| 15:52.30 | olafski | thank god :P |
| 15:52.38 | olafski | I feel forced to do it every day because that mount is damn awesome |
| 15:52.44 | olafski | but if I can't do it anymore I won't feel bad :P |
| 15:52.55 | kdtresh|work | hallow's end ends oct 31 11:59PM |
| 15:53.20 | Ginji | Woohoo! |
| 15:53.22 | zenzelezz | I will forever associate halloween with Lady Vashj... we were trying to get her down for the first time, and half the raid were in pumpkin heads |
| 15:53.23 | kdtresh|work | if the in-game calendar is to be believed |
| 15:53.27 | Ginji | My Borderlands is on it's way! |
| 15:53.54 | Ackis | Ginji: old |
| 15:54.17 | Ginji | Not everyone lives in the commie-nation that is america |
| 15:54.29 | Ackis | nor do I |
| 15:54.48 | Ginji | Not everyone owns a crappy console |
| 15:55.23 | Thunder_Child | is anything interesting going to happen for day of the dead? |
| 15:55.44 | Ginji | What's the benefit of playing on a console anyway, I've never really understood |
| 15:55.54 | Ginji | Is it just the controller? |
| 15:56.00 | Ackis | Ginji: stuff just works without issue |
| 15:56.10 | Ginji | Doubt it |
| 15:56.20 | olafski | without going into controller stuff, I like lying on the sofa to play |
| 15:56.30 | olafski | and yes, stuff does generally work without issues |
| 15:56.34 | olafski | pop the disc in and play |
| 15:56.36 | olafski | or download/play |
| 15:56.53 | Ackis | plus I can play on the couch naked |
| 15:56.55 | olafski | no hardware, no installation, going to a website for patches (though that is not really applicable to PC either) |
| 15:57.03 | Ackis | aside from sitting in my computer chair naked |
| 15:57.13 | Ginji | no hardware? |
| 15:57.23 | olafski | no hardware check* sorry :P |
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| 15:57.30 | Parks | oh btw, i has the HH's mount |
| 15:57.49 | Ginji | Ah, so I guess the problem you have with PC's is that you're crappy users |
| 15:57.59 | olafski | who says we have a problem with PC? |
| 15:58.04 | olafski | what a lame argument :P |
| 15:58.11 | Ginji | <olafski> and yes, stuff does generally work without issues |
| 15:58.13 | olafski | "hurr you prefer consoles so you must suck at pc" |
| 15:58.14 | Fisker | consoles suck |
| 15:58.21 | Ginji | see! |
| 15:58.42 | olafski | ginji: how many games on pc can you play by putting in a dvd and being in-game within a minute? |
| 15:58.55 | Ginji | none, I don't have a dvd drive |
| 15:59.02 | olafski | there we go :P |
| 15:59.03 | ArrowmasterClass | more than you can on a ps3 |
| 15:59.12 | olafski | we're talking consoles arrowmasterclass |
| 15:59.14 | olafski | not bluray players :) |
| 15:59.44 | Ginji | Ok, how many games can you play online without having to pay for a subscription |
| 15:59.50 | Ginji | dunnn dunn! |
| 15:59.53 | olafski | oh care.. :P |
| 15:59.57 | olafski | you're in a wow channel |
| 16:00.04 | A-KO | xbox 360 is a whole $8/month! zomg :P |
| 16:00.05 | Ackis | $3 < $15 a month for WoW :P |
| 16:00.11 | olafski | I don't play online anyway ;) |
| 16:00.38 | Ginji | Well, I guess a console has it's benefits |
| 16:00.46 | Ginji | If only I could just attach a keyboard and mouse |
| 16:00.52 | olafski | there we go |
| 16:00.54 | Ginji | That controller really hurts |
| 16:00.58 | olafski | I knew it wouldn't take long before he'd bring that up :P |
| 16:01.04 | ArrowmasterClass | when everything for pc is just buggy console ports it does have its benefits |
| 16:01.11 | zenzelezz | playing straight from DVD... no thanks. Rotational media that makes it sound like your computer is attempting to escape the grasp of gravity is not something I prefer, I'd much rather spend the three minutes to install it to my HDD |
| 16:01.47 | olafski | let's mention splitscreen games and how fun they are |
| 16:01.53 | Lopeppeppy | No! |
| 16:01.55 | olafski | instead of playing online, you get to play with people near you |
| 16:02.00 | ArrowmasterClass | nothing has splitscreen anymore |
| 16:02.00 | Ginji | The only real benefit I see from a console is that you can take it with you without much of a hassle, unlike say, my 25kg PC |
| 16:02.06 | olafski | not on PC, arrowmasterclass :) |
| 16:02.19 | Ginji | splitscreen is major fail! |
| 16:02.20 | ArrowmasterClass | nothing on console does either |
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| 16:02.24 | Ginji | Just attach two screens |
| 16:02.26 | olafski | arrowmasterclass: guitar hero? |
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| 16:02.38 | Lukian | Microsoft's latest racing game does |
| 16:02.40 | olafski | most shooters probably too |
| 16:02.48 | ArrowmasterClass | i dont really call that split screen |
| 16:02.53 | olafski | I know halo and gears of war have splitscreen |
| 16:03.02 | olafski | arrowmasterclass: the _screen_ is _split_ into portions for each player |
| 16:03.02 | ArrowmasterClass | an no shooters in the past 3 years have had splitscreen |
| 16:03.15 | olafski | how old is gears of war 2? |
| 16:03.22 | olafski | I'm sure ODST has splitscreen, considering halo 3 had it |
| 16:03.27 | ArrowmasterClass | 3 years? |
| 16:03.46 | olafski | november 7, 2008 for gow2 |
| 16:03.49 | Ackis | ArrowmasterClass: Borderlands has splitscreen co-op |
| 16:03.50 | olafski | that seems less than 3 years ago |
| 16:04.02 | olafski | ackis: ooh.. that suddenly gets me interested :D |
| 16:04.03 | Ginji | Ackis: on a console maybe |
| 16:04.06 | olafski | I thought it was only online coop |
| 16:04.17 | olafski | ginji: we were talking consoles.. I already pointed out that PC games don't do splitscreen anymore |
| 16:04.48 | olafski | now I might have to get it too ackis, damn you :P |
| 16:05.21 | Parks | fondly remembers split screen on the SNES |
| 16:05.22 | ArrowmasterClass | the majority dont have splitscreen anymore though, theres a few exceptions |
| 16:05.34 | olafski | heh I see the arguments crumbling before my eyes |
| 16:05.42 | Lopeppeppy | Am I hungry? |
| 16:05.47 | Ginji | Are you? |
| 16:05.55 | nevcairiel | splitscreen on pcs is kinda difficult, you don't just have 2 controllers to split |
| 16:06.04 | olafski | indeed |
| 16:06.10 | Ginji | I need a bigger monitor to be able to support split-screen |
| 16:06.10 | olafski | hence why I brought the entire thing up :P |
| 16:06.18 | ArrowmasterClass | most of my game collection doesnt do splitscreen |
| 16:06.34 | Ginji | 19" divided by two isn't much |
| 16:06.55 | olafski | ginji: I do hope you're not saying "my monitor sucks so splitscreen sucks".. right? :P |
| 16:07.16 | Parks | how did the SNES have such a huge graphics upgrade over the NES and have basically the same name? |
| 16:07.26 | olafski | :) |
| 16:07.27 | Ginji | olafski: maybe |
| 16:07.30 | olafski | what's in a name |
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| 16:07.43 | olafski | playstation 3 is also just one digit away from playstation 1 |
| 16:08.12 | Parks | hmm |
| 16:08.23 | nevcairiel | Super is clearly a strong word to! |
| 16:08.25 | Ginji | Oeh oeh! I found a con against the xbox360! vendor lock-in for extra storage! |
| 16:08.42 | zenzelezz | "super" is a dangerous word to use |
| 16:08.43 | olafski | took you long enough to come up with that one :P |
| 16:08.51 | Ginji | I just remembered |
| 16:08.53 | Parks | remember F-1 Zero (i think) on the SNES? |
| 16:09.02 | zenzelezz | "hey guys, we have a new healing potion, name?" "Sup... er... uhm... runic?" |
| 16:09.20 | Parks | that kicked ass |
| 16:09.23 | olafski | zenzelezz: cataclysmic healing potion :) |
| 16:09.35 | Ginji | Well, they can't really call it "epic" or "legedary" |
| 16:09.44 | ArrowmasterClass | but they will |
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| 16:10.10 | nevcairiel | it'll probably just have some weird name somehow fitting to the theme of the 80-85 content |
| 16:10.11 | ZorbaBeta | awesome healing potion |
| 16:10.15 | Ginji | Nah, they'll just condense all potions to one rank and call it "Healing Potion" |
| 16:10.17 | Parks | olafski: would you drink something with that name? |
| 16:10.27 | olafski | I would not drink anything called healing potion |
| 16:10.30 | olafski | sounds like drugs |
| 16:10.31 | zenzelezz | Parks: good point |
| 16:10.40 | nevcairiel | i should buy some of those mana potions |
| 16:10.47 | nevcairiel | but i didnt see a vendor around here yet |
| 16:10.56 | Parks | sounds like redbull + powerthirst * infinity |
| 16:11.08 | nevcairiel | http://www.manapotions.com/ |
| 16:11.15 | nevcairiel | they look really cool, though :P |
| 16:11.35 | olafski | form over functino! |
| 16:11.37 | olafski | function* |
| 16:11.42 | Ginji | Always |
| 16:11.50 | zenzelezz | style over substance |
| 16:11.59 | Ginji | Front-Ahead-Design! |
| 16:11.59 | nevcairiel | they are very expensive for just energy drinks, though |
| 16:12.09 | nevcairiel | 6 mana potions for $20 |
| 16:12.24 | Ginji | nevcairiel: can't you just stab randoms and check their pockets? |
| 16:12.36 | nevcairiel | its a very rare drop |
| 16:12.49 | olafski | redbull is 1 euro here I think |
| 16:12.51 | olafski | or perhaps even more |
| 16:12.53 | Parks | we should bottle chev chellios' sweat |
| 16:13.10 | Ginji | 1.29⬠ish in the supermarket here |
| 16:13.12 | Parks | best energy drink evar |
| 16:13.22 | olafski | ginji: stab them? pickpocketing has much higher chance at potions |
| 16:13.31 | Ginji | Not everyone is a rogue |
| 16:13.42 | olafski | then hit them on the head and pickpocket ;) |
| 16:13.48 | nevcairiel | I would get a 6 pack of the mana potions just for some fun, if they would sell it here, and i didnt have to import from the US :P |
| 16:13.49 | olafski | as long as you don't kill them it counts as pickpocketing imo |
| 16:15.01 | Ginji | http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o226/kharmaa/ImBurned.jpg <-- old but it still cracks me up |
| 16:15.53 | Aelobin | anyone know stuff about bitfields? :P |
| 16:15.56 | olafski | how is that vulgar language? |
| 16:16.21 | olafski | and what teacher has such bad handwriting :S |
| 16:16.24 | durcyn | Aelobin: what about them |
| 16:16.26 | ZorbaBeta | aelobin, I do |
| 16:16.29 | Ginji | Maybe "Hammer" is slang for something |
| 16:16.33 | zenzelezz | what kind of bitfields? |
| 16:16.35 | Aelobin | ok |
| 16:17.00 | Aelobin | the api info on GetAchievementInfo says that one return is a flag |
| 16:17.02 | Aelobin | "Test against the following masks with bit.band() to reveal additional information: (bitfield) " |
| 16:17.32 | Aelobin | i need to know what values could be returns by that function :P |
| 16:17.48 | ZorbaBeta | generally you just look for zero or nonzero |
| 16:17.51 | Aelobin | not sure how to explain it |
| 16:18.06 | Aelobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:18.11 | Aelobin | is what it says |
| 16:18.13 | durcyn | feed it the value you want to check against, the return will be 0 or, well, not |
| 16:19.02 | Aelobin | but if the GetAchievementInfo function was my own, and i was trying to do return a similiar value to that of those flags |
| 16:19.06 | Aelobin | im not sure what it would be |
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| 16:19.09 | durcyn | lua>bit.band(256,512) |
| 16:19.10 | lua_bot | durcyn: 0 |
| 16:19.13 | durcyn | lua>bit.band(256,256) |
| 16:19.14 | lua_bot | durcyn: 256 |
| 16:19.31 | ZorbaBeta | aelobin, bit.bor() the various flags together that you want to have set |
| 16:19.38 | Ginji | lua>bit.band(256, 257) |
| 16:19.38 | lua_bot | Ginji: 256 |
| 16:19.56 | Aelobin | lua> bit.band(256,255) |
| 16:19.56 | lua_bot | Aelobin: 0 |
| 16:20.24 | durcyn | you know what a bitfield is, or no? |
| 16:20.32 | Aelobin | nope |
| 16:20.34 | Aelobin | :) |
| 16:20.47 | Ginji | There's your problem! |
| 16:21.14 | Ginji | of off to eat pancakes |
| 16:21.27 | durcyn | you know what, uh, binary is, yes? |
| 16:21.30 | Aelobin | yeh |
| 16:21.49 | Ginji | there are 10 kinds of people, those who understand binary and those who don't |
| 16:21.51 | durcyn | and you are i hope familiar with the concept of each binary bit representing a power of two |
| 16:21.54 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:22.04 | olafski | lua>bit.band(5, 1) |
| 16:22.04 | lua_bot | olafski: 1 |
| 16:22.05 | Aelobin | indeed, 1 2 4 8 16 |
| 16:22.24 | Aelobin | (although it starts frmo the right lol) |
| 16:22.33 | durcyn | right, so. adding those together produces a unique decimal number for every combination of bits |
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| 16:22.50 | durcyn | 3 is 1 and 2 both, 5 is 1 and 4 |
| 16:23.19 | durcyn | if you assign a value to each bit, you can use it to store the state of multiple variables together, you see |
| 16:23.19 | zenzelezz | where is starts really depends on the hardware, we just like to write is at MSB because that's how we write normal numbers |
| 16:23.29 | zenzelezz | *it as |
| 16:23.35 | durcyn | are you with me so far |
| 16:24.19 | Aelobin | yeh |
| 16:24.36 | Aelobin | ooooooooh |
| 16:24.38 | durcyn | so, lua bitlib operations on those fields are and, or, xor, etc |
| 16:24.48 | durcyn | there might be a nand, i forget |
| 16:24.54 | Aelobin | those 3 flags, when using bit.band on them they can store 1 or more of the flags |
| 16:24.59 | durcyn | right |
| 16:25.01 | Aelobin | :) |
| 16:25.10 | Ginji | every flag uses one bit |
| 16:25.19 | Ginji | and you check if that bit is set with the bitlib |
| 16:25.47 | Antiarc | What you should do to really understand bitmasks is to convery the number to binary |
| 16:25.59 | Antiarc | Then, you line up the binary number with the "mask" to compare against |
| 16:26.32 | Aelobin | which is basically what a bit.band does? |
| 16:26.34 | Antiarc | bit.band returns 1 for a column if both numbers in a column are 1; bit.bor returns 1 if either column is 1. |
| 16:26.39 | Aelobin | compares each bit with the mask's bit |
| 16:26.40 | durcyn | yeah, what antiarc said. so that GetAchievmentInfo function returns 3 bits, from 000 to 111, and anything in between |
| 16:26.50 | durcyn | band is a binary and operation |
| 16:27.20 | durcyn | it returns the values that are the same between args |
| 16:27.34 | Antiarc | So, if you had the number "6", which is binary 110, and the mask "2", which is binary 010, and you ran bit.band(6, 2), you'd get a result of 2 (010), because for the first column, 0 & 0 = 0, second column 1 & 1 = 1, third column, 1 & 0 = 0 |
| 16:27.36 | durcyn | lua> bit.band(3,5) |
| 16:27.36 | lua_bot | durcyn: 1 |
| 16:28.18 | nevcairiel | lua> bit.bxor(3,5) |
| 16:28.18 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 6 |
| 16:28.39 | Antiarc | (and xor only returns 1 if either column is 1, but not both) |
| 16:28.44 | Aelobin | hmm |
| 16:28.44 | Antiarc | xor being "exclusive or" |
| 16:28.52 | Ginji | Now you're confusing him! |
| 16:28.54 | durcyn | lua> bit.bor(3,5) |
| 16:28.54 | lua_bot | durcyn: 7 |
| 16:29.00 | durcyn | non exclusive etc ^ |
| 16:29.01 | Aelobin | when testing a few outputs of the function, a hidden one returns 256, and a statistic returns 1 |
| 16:29.07 | Aelobin | isn't 256 a bit high? :s |
| 16:29.11 | nevcairiel | explaining binary operators on decimals will always confuse you |
| 16:29.14 | Antiarc | Effectively, bit.bor "merges" two bitfields, and bit.band compares two bitfields. |
| 16:29.35 | durcyn | nevcairiel: but you get to say fun words like 'bitwise' |
| 16:30.14 | Ginji | lua>bit.band(0xFF, 0xA) |
| 16:30.14 | lua_bot | Ginji: 10 |
| 16:30.32 | Fisker | xDDDDDDDDDDD |
| 16:30.33 | Fisker | http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-founders-banned-from-running-the-site-091029/ |
| 16:30.35 | Fisker | lololol |
| 16:31.50 | Aelobin | so Antiarc, with the GetAchievementInfo function would the flag return be simply: bit.bor(statistic and 1,hidden and 2) |
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| 16:33.10 | olafski | thisIsAStatistic = bit.band(bitmask, 1); |
| 16:33.23 | olafski | thisIsHidden = bit.band(bitmask, 2); |
| 16:33.37 | Antiarc | Aelobin: That would create a composite bitmask, which is probably not what you want |
| 16:33.43 | Aelobin | indeed, i understand that olafski |
| 16:33.46 | Antiarc | To test if a bitmask contains a value: |
| 16:33.56 | Antiarc | bit.band(bitmask, valueToTestFor) == valueToTestFor |
| 16:34.02 | Antiarc | If that's true, then the bitmask contains the value. |
| 16:34.16 | Aelobin | but im wanting to create the bitmask :p |
| 16:34.18 | Aelobin | i think |
| 16:34.22 | Antiarc | Oh, yes, then you want bit.bor |
| 16:34.39 | Antiarc | bit.bor(mask1, mask2) = new mask containing all the bits that are set in either mask1 or mask2 |
| 16:34.52 | Aelobin | if you imagine im wanting to make a function that just returns the flag (same as it would be returned from GetAchievementInfo) |
| 16:35.19 | Aelobin | ah ty |
| 16:36.10 | Aelobin | lua> bit.band(256,0x00000002) |
| 16:36.11 | lua_bot | Aelobin: 0 |
| 16:36.42 | Antiarc | http://pastie.org/675203 |
| 16:38.02 | Aelobin | hmm lol |
| 16:38.06 | Aelobin | i understand that |
| 16:38.15 | Aelobin | but i just dont understand how this function uses it |
| 16:38.33 | Aelobin | i have the 3 bit-somethings 0x00000001, 0x00000002 and 0x00000080 |
| 16:38.46 | durcyn | there's an undocumented 256 return, or what |
| 16:38.48 | Aelobin | which i can bit.band to the flag return to find out which options are enabled |
| 16:39.07 | Aelobin | but given the options which are enabled, i want to produce the same output as that function |
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| 16:39.12 | Adys | its funny |
| 16:39.22 | Adys | never did blizz enable such a raw interface to the game files |
| 16:39.24 | Adys | with achievements |
| 16:39.47 | Aelobin | bit.bor(statistics and 0x00000001, hidden and 0x00000002, progress and 0x00000080) |
| 16:39.51 | Antiarc | Aelobin: Just bit.bor your masks together then |
| 16:40.09 | Aelobin | like that? |
| 16:40.18 | Aelobin | and possibly "or 0x00000000" after each one |
| 16:40.29 | Antiarc | lua> local statistics = 1, hidden = 0, progress = 1; bit.bor(statistics and 0x00000001, hidden and 0x00000002, progress and 0x00000080) |
| 16:40.29 | lua_bot | Antiarc: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '=' |
| 16:40.44 | Antiarc | lua> local statistics, progress, hidden = 1, 0, 1; bit.bor(statistics and 0x00000001, hidden and 0x00000002, progress and 0x00000080) |
| 16:40.44 | lua_bot | Antiarc: No output |
| 16:40.59 | Aelobin | ty :P |
| 16:41.03 | Antiarc | lua> local statistics, progress, hidden = 1, 0, 1; bit.bor(statistics and 0x00000001 or 0, hidden and 0x00000002 or 0, progress and 0x00000080 or 0) |
| 16:41.03 | lua_bot | Antiarc: No output |
| 16:41.04 | Aelobin | that's perfect |
| 16:41.06 | Antiarc | Bah. |
| 16:41.18 | Antiarc | lua> local statistics, progress, hidden = 1, 0, 1; print(bit.bor(statistics and 0x00000001 or 0, hidden and 0x00000002 or 0, progress and 0x00000080 or 0)) |
| 16:41.19 | lua_bot | Antiarc: 131 |
| 16:41.21 | Antiarc | There we go. |
| 16:41.25 | Aelobin | lua> local statistics, progress, hidden = 1, 0, 1; print(bit.bor(statistics and 0x00000001, hidden and 0x00000002, progress and 0x00000080)) |
| 16:41.25 | lua_bot | Aelobin: 131 |
| 16:41.27 | Lopeppeppy | mmm, my state has declared a state of emergency due to the levels of flu illness. ungood |
| 16:41.41 | Antiarc | Though...I would expect a result of 129 |
| 16:41.44 | Antiarc | So that's not correct, I think |
| 16:41.46 | Antiarc | Oh |
| 16:41.51 | Antiarc | Because 0 evaluates to true :V |
| 16:41.56 | Aelobin | ah yeh :P |
| 16:42.06 | Antiarc | lua> local statistics, progress, hidden = true, false, true; print(bit.bor(statistics and 0x00000001, hidden and 0x00000002, progress and 0x00000080)) |
| 16:42.06 | lua_bot | Antiarc: luabot:1: bad argument #3 to 'bor' (number expected, got boolean) |
| 16:42.21 | Aelobin | lua> local statistics, progress, hidden = true, false, true; print(bit.bor(statistics and 0x00000001 or 0, hidden and 0x00000002 or 0, progress and 0x00000080 or 0)) |
| 16:42.21 | lua_bot | Aelobin: 3 |
| 16:42.22 | durcyn | Lopeppeppy: first, they came for the flu victims, and i did nothing... |
| 16:42.25 | Aelobin | <_> |
| 16:42.29 | Antiarc | Yeah, there we go. |
| 16:42.35 | Lopeppeppy | nom nom nom. |
| 16:42.36 | Aelobin | 3? is that right? 0.o |
| 16:42.42 | Antiarc | Though, wait, no, that's not right either. |
| 16:42.44 | Lopeppeppy | why am I eating vegetables when I could make stew? |
| 16:42.53 | Antiarc | For that statement you should get 129. |
| 16:43.11 | Antiarc | Oh, wait, no, that's right |
| 16:43.16 | Antiarc | You have your initial state confused :P |
| 16:43.23 | Antiarc | ocal statistics, hidden, progress = true, false, true; print(bit.bor(statistics and 0x00000001 or 0, hidden and 0x00000002 or 0, progress and 0x00000080 or 0)) |
| 16:43.27 | Antiarc | lua> local statistics, hidden, progress = true, false, true; print(bit.bor(statistics and 0x00000001 or 0, hidden and 0x00000002 or 0, progress and 0x00000080 or 0)) |
| 16:43.27 | lua_bot | Antiarc: 129 |
| 16:44.00 | Aelobin | what did you do different |
| 16:44.10 | Antiarc | I clipped hidden and progress in the initial declaration :P |
| 16:44.12 | Antiarc | flipped* |
| 16:44.21 | Antiarc | You had progress as false and hidden as true before |
| 16:44.27 | Aelobin | aha |
| 16:44.27 | Antiarc | (so 3 was the right output) |
| 16:44.28 | Aelobin | :) |
| 16:44.32 | Aelobin | ty for your help |
| 16:44.32 | jnwhiteh | Does anyone here have any connections or contacts with SteelSeries? The company that makes the new wacky 17-button mouse for WoW? |
| 16:44.43 | Antiarc | jnwhiteh: I have a guildmate who helped design it or somesuch |
| 16:44.53 | Antiarc | Or gave input, I dunno |
| 16:44.55 | jnwhiteh | Antiarc: Can he get me in touchw tih someone at the company? |
| 16:44.58 | Antiarc | He was involved to some degree |
| 16:45.00 | Antiarc | I'll ask! |
| 16:45.08 | jnwhiteh | I need to get my hands on one in order to provide native stupport for Clique |
| 16:45.13 | Lopeppeppy | they are an official wow companion type company thing... |
| 16:45.20 | jnwhiteh | I can make the changes using the API.. but I won't make a change like that to Clique without being able to test it. |
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| 16:45.40 | Lopeppeppy | but even so, the drivers dont' work well with wow, so I am not sure how well they would be wiling to work with you, if they're not working with Blizz. |
| 16:45.51 | jnwhiteh | Lopeppeppy: they are working with Blizz. |
| 16:45.56 | jnwhiteh | 3.2.2 has native support for it in-game |
| 16:45.59 | jnwhiteh | allegedly |
| 16:46.04 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wow.com/2009/10/29/steelseries-wow-mouse-gets-new-functionality/ |
| 16:46.08 | Lopeppeppy | Every time I want to get one, I hear nothing but how crappy that alleged "native" support is. |
| 16:46.09 | jnwhiteh | this is why I'm asking =() |
| 16:46.13 | zenzelezz | what did Blizzard ever do that made people hate the "ard" so much? |
| 16:46.17 | Antiarc | jnwhiteh: I guess he worked with Razor, not SteelSeries, but he has contact info anyhow! |
| 16:46.19 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 16:46.34 | jnwhiteh | Antiarc: that would be fantastic =) |
| 16:46.46 | jnwhiteh | If you want to pass my email info along, that's fine with me |
| 16:46.52 | jnwhiteh | assuming you have it, or can derive it =) |
| 16:46.52 | Antiarc | Sure, PM it to me? |
| 16:47.00 | Antiarc | I probably can, but I am le lazy |
| 16:50.33 | Fisker | Lopeppeppy it's just so you can keybind the buttons through the keybindings |
| 16:50.35 | Fisker | no more, no less |
| 16:50.50 | Fisker | instead of using the driver software |
| 16:51.07 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, so since we wouldn't be using the software, it might be better? |
| 16:51.26 | Lopeppeppy | I'd be willing to wait and hear some more opinions. I admit that I covet that mouse hard-core, no mistake |
| 16:52.51 | Fisker | Think it's kinda gimmicky |
| 16:52.56 | Aelobin | do they do them in left-handed? :< |
| 16:53.04 | Fisker | i barely use the other buttons |
| 16:53.13 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, buttons. |
| 16:53.22 | Fisker | I'm going back to old school logitech G500 |
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| 16:56.49 | Lopeppeppy | I have a logitech wireless, but it's getting old and a bit flakey |
| 16:57.44 | Lopeppeppy | Wait. There was a lunessa and i missed it. |
| 16:58.03 | Antiarc | Logitech G5 for me. Good for a low-end gaming mouse. |
| 16:58.17 | jnwhiteh | can anyone test UnitIsFeignDeath("target") for me? |
| 16:58.30 | jnwhiteh | someone's reporting it doesn't work with "player", but I want to see if it works _at all_ |
| 16:58.33 | durcyn | microsoft laser mouse 6000. period. end of discussion. |
| 16:59.22 | zenzelezz | I've stuck to MS Intellimouse Optical for as long as I can remember |
| 16:59.42 | Gnarfoz | Blizzard needs to steal VirtualPlates' functionality ASAP. |
| 17:00.01 | olafski | hells yeah |
| 17:00.04 | olafski | I love that addon :D |
| 17:00.05 | Antiarc | Maaaaaaan. Google Navigation + Droid might well get me to finally pony up for a smartphone. |
| 17:00.18 | durcyn | and sell your Garmin stock. |
| 17:00.26 | Gnarfoz | too late for that now |
| 17:00.27 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 17:00.56 | Gnarfoz | I'm surprised VirtualPlates actually works. I'd have thought modifying nameplates in that way would cause horrible taint etc |
| 17:02.14 | Seerah | It's just using SetScale(), isn't it? |
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| 17:03.10 | Aelobin | lol "works with a variety of plates" |
| 17:03.32 | Seerah | yeah :) |
| 17:03.37 | Seerah | that gave me a chuckle, too :) |
| 17:04.01 | zenzelezz | works for warriors, paladins and death knights! |
| 17:04.09 | Fisker | slaps Antiarc around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:04.16 | Fisker | man that's not my dad |
| 17:04.19 | Fisker | that is a cellphone |
| 17:04.20 | Gnarfoz | well, nameplates are not secure frames are they? scaling them in combat... well... nameplate mods are quite arcane anyway |
| 17:04.37 | jnwhiteh | they're not secure templates =) |
| 17:04.45 | jnwhiteh | but they're 'secure' frames |
| 17:05.03 | Sesshu | lol windows 7 has a calculator for developer |
| 17:05.05 | jnwhiteh | but you can change whatever decorations you want :P |
| 17:05.31 | Antiarc | My child is having a lot of fun putting my authenticator into my coffee >:| |
| 17:05.40 | Gnarfoz | Antiarc: lol |
| 17:05.43 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 17:06.08 | zenzelezz | he's authenticating your coffee, to see if you're cheap |
| 17:06.50 | Fisker | old Sesshu |
| 17:06.52 | Fisker | i hate it though |
| 17:06.57 | Fisker | i have to keep changing between layouts |
| 17:07.02 | Fisker | wtb old scientific calc |
| 17:07.15 | Fisker | btw WobWork |
| 17:07.17 | Fisker | you here? |
| 17:07.17 | Sesshu | hm |
| 17:07.25 | Shirik | btw Fisker |
| 17:07.26 | Shirik | you here? |
| 17:07.32 | Sesshu | i installed win7 yesterday |
| 17:07.33 | Fisker | btw Shirik |
| 17:07.35 | Fisker | you here? |
| 17:07.39 | Sesshu | spamers |
| 17:07.40 | zenzelezz | Fisker: can't you just use the Scientific mode then? |
| 17:07.40 | Shirik | no |
| 17:07.46 | Fisker | naw zenzelezz |
| 17:07.55 | Fisker | scientific mode was a cross of scientific + programmer |
| 17:08.24 | Legorol | anyone who has experience with RAF, can you help me: i click on the link in the RAF email, and get taken to an account creation page |
| 17:08.33 | Legorol | i go through answering the forms, but at no point am i asked for a key |
| 17:08.44 | Legorol | after the final page, the account is live, i never had to enter the key, and it's not linked to the referrer |
| 17:08.47 | Legorol | what am i doing wrong? |
| 17:09.04 | jnwhiteh | Legorol: that's weird, I've always been asked for the key |
| 17:09.26 | Legorol | jnwhiteh, the URL in the RAF mail is https://signup.wow-europe.com/agreement.html |
| 17:09.31 | Legorol | is this what you had? |
| 17:10.41 | Legorol | uh oh, it seems to be some kind of cookie issue |
| 17:10.48 | Legorol | i restarted my browser and now it's asking for a key |
| 17:11.04 | jnwhiteh | oh okay |
| 17:11.06 | jnwhiteh | good |
| 17:11.42 | Legorol | yup, it's the cookie monster |
| 17:11.53 | Legorol | i'd been messing with creating regular trial accounts (linked from the main WoW EU page) earlier |
| 17:12.02 | Legorol | i did close those pages, but looks like session cookies remained |
| 17:13.31 | mikma | dear lord |
| 17:13.44 | mikma | wiping on 25man toc |
| 17:13.47 | mikma | first bosses |
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| 17:21.00 | Shirik | btw Fisker |
| 17:21.04 | Shirik | you cat hates me |
| 17:22.15 | Antiarc | Oh MAN |
| 17:22.19 | Antiarc | The model change bug is AWESOME. |
| 17:22.25 | jnwhiteh | which one? |
| 17:22.42 | Antiarc | The one where you can cause one of your characters to use another of your characters' models |
| 17:22.46 | Antiarc | http://i36.tinypic.com/fpb9es.jpg |
| 17:22.49 | Antiarc | See: My human rogue. |
| 17:23.10 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 17:23.29 | Shirik | only you see it? |
| 17:23.32 | Shirik | not everyone? |
| 17:23.41 | Antiarc | I think it's only me, yeah |
| 17:24.03 | Antiarc | Basically, you log into character A, log out, select B, mouse over A, and left-click A right as you hit enter to log into B |
| 17:24.05 | Antiarc | B has A's model. |
| 17:24.07 | Shirik | can draenei be rogues? |
| 17:24.12 | Antiarc | No. |
| 17:24.18 | Shirik | win |
| 17:24.30 | ArrowmasterClass | Antiarc: perv |
| 17:25.03 | Shirik | you sure logging into A is required? |
| 17:25.08 | Antiarc | Not sure, no |
| 17:25.09 | Shirik | have you tried without it? |
| 17:25.10 | ArrowmasterClass | Antiarc: btw change your hair so youve got the pigtails |
| 17:25.47 | Fisker | btw Shirik |
| 17:25.56 | Fisker | yourcat hates me :( |
| 17:25.59 | Fisker | bah |
| 17:26.04 | Shirik | my cat likes nobody |
| 17:26.09 | Shirik | primarily because I do not have a cat |
| 17:26.17 | Antiarc | Hahahahahah, going to the barber shop 132's WoW |
| 17:26.30 | Shirik | nice |
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| 17:26.40 | ArrowmasterClass | Antiarc: can that bug change gender? |
| 17:26.42 | Shirik | it's like "no wait wtfhax" |
| 17:26.49 | Antiarc | ArrowmasterClass: I suspect so, let me check |
| 17:27.15 | ArrowmasterClass | if only i wasnt already using 10 character slots |
| 17:27.15 | Antiarc | Man |
| 17:27.15 | Antiarc | Doing this with a tauren |
| 17:27.16 | Antiarc | Just FYI |
| 17:27.48 | Shirik | omgomg |
| 17:27.50 | Fisker | ptr Antiarc? |
| 17:27.52 | Shirik | make a tauren rogue |
| 17:27.54 | Antiarc | Fisker: Live |
| 17:27.54 | ArrowmasterClass | Antiarc: wait is it just using the race or the hair and stuff too from the second toon? |
| 17:28.00 | Fisker | mine logs in instantly |
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| 17:28.05 | Fisker | no room for clicking anything else |
| 17:28.34 | ArrowmasterClass | or is it doing like the CoT and just converts the hair and stuff |
| 17:28.44 | Antiarc | No, it's the model you picked |
| 17:28.49 | Antiarc | Down to the detail |
| 17:29.05 | ArrowmasterClass | oh, so just goto the barber on toon B to change it |
| 17:29.16 | Antiarc | yessssssssssssss |
| 17:29.19 | Fisker | halp me Antiarc ;e |
| 17:29.55 | ArrowmasterClass | Antiarc: i wonder if it lets you abuse the fact that tauren have larger hit boxes |
| 17:30.11 | Antiarc | ArrowmasterClass: I suspect so |
| 17:30.19 | ArrowmasterClass | hax |
| 17:30.28 | Fisker | i can't doooooo it |
| 17:30.33 | Antiarc | STEALTH TAUREN |
| 17:30.38 | Antiarc | http://i38.tinypic.com/23h4xmc.jpg |
| 17:30.53 | Fisker | haaaaaalp |
| 17:30.53 | ArrowmasterClass | do they even have a stealth animation? |
| 17:30.58 | Antiarc | Yes |
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| 17:31.00 | Antiarc | They tiptoe. |
| 17:31.06 | ArrowmasterClass | is it cool? |
| 17:31.09 | Antiarc | It is! |
| 17:31.11 | Antiarc | I will take video |
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| 17:31.18 | ArrowmasterClass | it is |
| 17:31.24 | Fisker | take a video of teh sploitz instead |
| 17:31.26 | ArrowmasterClass | lol |
| 17:31.37 | Antiarc | http://i36.tinypic.com/5fkso3.jpg |
| 17:32.47 | ArrowmasterClass | Antiarc: do you have a mechanostrider? |
| 17:32.54 | Antiarc | I do not. |
| 17:32.57 | Fisker | you fail |
| 17:32.59 | Fisker | you're human |
| 17:33.32 | ArrowmasterClass | go buy one, you can afford it |
| 17:33.54 | Antiarc | I'm honored with Gadgetzen :V |
| 17:34.01 | Antiarc | err |
| 17:34.29 | Antiarc | wait, is Ironforge rep mechanostriders now? |
| 17:34.41 | ArrowmasterClass | gnomer |
| 17:34.50 | Antiarc | I don't see Gnomer on my sheet. |
| 17:35.03 | Antiarc | Oh, there it is |
| 17:35.06 | Antiarc | Halfway revered |
| 17:35.07 | Antiarc | :V |
| 17:35.12 | Antiarc | I'm the world's worst faction grinder |
| 17:35.15 | ArrowmasterClass | fail |
| 17:35.22 | Shirik | mirror mirror on the wall |
| 17:35.34 | ArrowmasterClass | you have 1 day to grind it to exalted |
| 17:36.49 | Fisker | i'm raging Antiarc |
| 17:36.57 | Shirik | gives Fisker the blue pill |
| 17:37.00 | Fisker | no |
| 17:37.05 | Fisker | i don't want your viagra |
| 17:37.14 | ArrowmasterClass | heh |
| 17:37.20 | Fisker | it's impossible Antiarc |
| 17:37.24 | Fisker | reported for model swapping |
| 17:37.29 | Antiarc | worksforme |
| 17:38.14 | Antiarc | I'll take some video of it |
| 17:38.15 | Shirik | I can't stand people that misuse Mail CC |
| 17:38.21 | Shirik | CC is not for a "second person to send it to" |
| 17:38.28 | Shirik | it's for people that should see a copy but are otherwise out of the conversation |
| 17:38.48 | Shirik | So now I'm sitting here with an email that says "I need you all to respond" and I am CCed on it, and I don't know if I'm supposed to respond or not |
| 17:39.11 | Fisker | i either get character a logged in or character b logged in |
| 17:39.23 | Fisker | there's no kind of delay |
| 17:39.35 | Thunder_Child | well, virtual plates sucks if you spend all of your time at maxed out distance |
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| 17:44.54 | Antiarc | Fisker: There's no delay, it has to be near instaneous |
| 17:45.34 | Antiarc | I'm having trouble doing it with FRAPS on |
| 17:45.56 | Fisker | i got it working now |
| 17:46.11 | Fisker | but only by using arrow up to select character b |
| 17:46.36 | Ginji | Shirik: that's not as bad as the shenanigans people at my college pull |
| 17:47.09 | Ginji | "I need to e-mail everyone enrolled to this institution, I guess I'll put them all in the 'To' header" |
| 17:47.42 | Ginji | Which results in a 250kb e-mail which consists of 1kb of actual content |
| 17:48.17 | Lukian | 250kb for you, 250k*users for your server admins |
| 17:48.20 | Ginji | I then hit "Reply All" and instructed them to read a site on how to send an e-mail" |
| 17:48.41 | Ginji | I chuckled |
| 17:49.43 | Fisker | bah |
| 17:49.46 | Fisker | it's hard as well |
| 17:49.47 | Fisker | hell |
| 17:50.51 | Antiarc | http://i34.tinypic.com/2yv2gza.jpg |
| 17:50.52 | clever | how would i go about simply showing a line of text in a frame? |
| 17:54.10 | Seerah | create a font string and call SetText() on it |
| 17:54.54 | clever | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/CreateFontString |
| 17:54.59 | clever | ok, i'll give that a try |
| 17:55.01 | Seerah | yep, that |
| 17:55.22 | Seerah | then these: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/FontString |
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| 17:57.46 | Fisker | yarr Antiarc |
| 17:57.47 | Fisker | i did it |
| 17:57.55 | Antiarc | http://i35.tinypic.com/iftxk7.jpg |
| 17:58.39 | Fisker | i'm finally a troll paladin |
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| 17:58.47 | Ackis | http://raptr.com/Ackis |
| 17:58.58 | Fisker | fuck off Ackis |
| 17:59.25 | Ackis | no |
| 17:59.32 | Fisker | yes |
| 17:59.39 | Ackis | no |
| 18:00.26 | Ackis | ilu Fisker |
| 18:00.38 | Ackis | i don't quite get what raptr is yet |
| 18:00.49 | Fisker | it's "fuck off" |
| 18:01.01 | Ackis | coming from you it means nothing |
| 18:01.03 | Antiarc | Man, Draenei don't have a kick animation :/ |
| 18:01.15 | Thunder_Child | it's an e-peen record |
| 18:01.47 | Antiarc | Also, holy crap, draenei chest in this chestpiece o.o |
| 18:02.18 | Antiarc | http://i33.tinypic.com/htzns2.jpg |
| 18:02.38 | Fisker | btw Antiarc |
| 18:02.42 | Fisker | are you macroing it or something? |
| 18:02.45 | Antiarc | Nah |
| 18:02.57 | Antiarc | I just click juuuuuust before I hit enter |
| 18:03.13 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, it's not too tough to do |
| 18:03.32 | ZorbaBeta | I believe you have to do it during the same frame, so increasing game res and boosting detail may help |
| 18:03.36 | ZorbaBeta | or just capping the framerate somehow |
| 18:03.49 | Fisker | so you say i should get a shitty machine? |
| 18:03.55 | Fisker | starts frapsing |
| 18:03.58 | ZorbaBeta | note that you need for the mouseup event and the keydown event to happen at the same time - they trigger on different edges ;) |
| 18:04.29 | ZorbaBeta | (draenai women are hot in full plate) |
| 18:05.18 | clever | ZorbaBeta: from the looks of it, questhelper is storing what items every vendor/shop is selling, am i correct? |
| 18:05.42 | ZorbaBeta | clever, this is true. right now that data is completely ignored, but it's collected and waiting for me to get around to dealing with it. |
| 18:05.51 | Antiarc | ZorbaBeta: I couldn't get it to work with fraps running (~60 FPS) but can do it consistently at 300 FPS |
| 18:05.54 | Antiarc | So I dunno |
| 18:06.08 | ZorbaBeta | (there's a lot of stuff QH stores that currently never gets looked at) |
| 18:06.10 | Fisker | haaaaate |
| 18:06.22 | clever | ZorbaBeta: do you have any info on what format its using, or should i just make a best guess? |
| 18:06.39 | ZorbaBeta | clever, read the sourcecode. it's honestly what I'd have to do at this point. |
| 18:06.57 | ZorbaBeta | note that the format is not guaranteed to be stable. what are you planning to use it for? |
| 18:07.02 | clever | i'm having to do the same with my own week old code |
| 18:07.20 | clever | i was just thinking of hacking together a 2nd addon to spy on the data and let me find vendors with certain items |
| 18:07.46 | Fisker | damn i thought i was transformed into a mammoth's ass |
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| 18:07.48 | ZorbaBeta | you'll have to correlate a few different spots, and the QH data format for "location" is unlikely to be helpful for you |
| 18:07.57 | ZorbaBeta | without some rather painful work |
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| 18:08.15 | clever | what if i called one of the internal QH functions to fake adding a waypoint |
| 18:08.19 | ZorbaBeta | I don't *expect* to change the formats anytime soon, though |
| 18:08.25 | clever | to trick QH into doing the arrow and routing for me |
| 18:08.29 | ZorbaBeta | I hate to say it but that'll be even nastier ;) |
| 18:08.39 | ZorbaBeta | the format that QH writes to, and the format that QH reads from, are pretty much unrelated |
| 18:08.52 | clever | ah |
| 18:09.00 | ZorbaBeta | the goal I have with QH is to make the user's machine do as little work as possible, most of the heavy compilation lifting happens on my client |
| 18:09.15 | clever | i dont really have any formating in my location logging |
| 18:09.30 | Ackis | ZorbaBeta: which client does the logging of keya? |
| 18:09.33 | ZorbaBeta | if it's a quest NPC you could presumably tell it to find that NPC ID (it's not quite that simple but it'd be doable) |
| 18:09.41 | ZorbaBeta | ackis, I log keys from my orbital keylogging platform in space |
| 18:09.49 | clever | ["y"] = 0,["x"] = 0,["zone"] = "The Deadmines",["subzone"] = "Ironclad Cove", |
| 18:10.05 | ZorbaBeta | clever, yeah, with the bulk I deal with I have to condense things a lot more to avoid killing the user's RAM |
| 18:10.21 | ZorbaBeta | I regularly get 5-10mb datafiles even with a lot of work to crunch things down |
| 18:10.32 | clever | yeah, some of this stuff could easily get out of hand and eat up alot of ram |
| 18:10.32 | Ackis | Fisker: http://raptr.com/Ackis |
| 18:10.57 | clever | i delete the data file after uploading, so that it doesnt continue to grow to unruly sizes |
| 18:11.15 | ZorbaBeta | yeah. I'm hoping that some client starts supporting powerful enough manipulations that I can use it to deal with this cleanly |
| 18:11.18 | clever | it may wind up relogging and sending the same info again, but it wont hit 20mb uploads |
| 18:11.28 | ZorbaBeta | but none of the existing clients seem to have any intention of doing so. at least without a lot of hell |
| 18:11.29 | Fisker | die Ackis |
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| 18:12.29 | ZorbaBeta | I dunno. Maybe I'll write my own someday, with plaintext lua plugins. |
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| 18:12.36 | ZorbaBeta | And hookers, and blackjack. |
| 18:12.38 | clever | one of the other things i keep thinking about how to put together, is to improve routing within complex areas |
| 18:12.39 | ZorbaBeta | In fact, forget the client! |
| 18:12.44 | ZorbaBeta | And the lua. |
| 18:12.47 | clever | like the maze-ish city's |
| 18:13.15 | ZorbaBeta | routing's quite doable - the big reason I haven't done it is pure CPU. I'm worried it'll be a horrible slowdown. |
| 18:13.15 | clever | at times, it would help if the addon knew about that pesky wall that keeps getting in the way |
| 18:13.26 | ZorbaBeta | also, the priority issue |
| 18:13.35 | ZorbaBeta | I have bigger things to work on still ;) |
| 18:13.38 | clever | the placement of walls is hard to see on the map's the game provides |
| 18:13.43 | clever | you just have to learn the layout of the city yourself |
| 18:14.27 | ZorbaBeta | there are a few problems with this, mostly involving Orgrimmar, which is in many ways the least flat city |
| 18:14.31 | ZorbaBeta | but they're not huge problems |
| 18:14.52 | ZorbaBeta | (thunder bluff has more vertical difference, but fundamentally the city can be mapped adequately from directly above. Orgrimmar can't be.) |
| 18:14.53 | clever | does the client give lua any hint as to your altitude? |
| 18:14.56 | ZorbaBeta | nope |
| 18:15.02 | ZorbaBeta | AFAIK there is no way to get altitude. |
| 18:15.18 | clever | i have noticed that the mini-map changes as i move between floors |
| 18:15.26 | ZorbaBeta | indoors/outdoors you can determine |
| 18:15.26 | clever | and sometimes just within different areas of the same level |
| 18:15.32 | ZorbaBeta | I don't know if you can detect changes in minimap, I haven't tried |
| 18:15.39 | zenzelezz | clever: the minimap is special |
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| 18:15.51 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, the minimap is C code |
| 18:15.58 | ZorbaBeta | it has access to data that we don't. |
| 18:16.19 | clever | the quest !'s in the minimap are shaded out, like they are in a cave, if they are in one of the 6 walled off sections of stormwind |
| 18:16.35 | clever | and when i enter that section, it unshades, like i entered a large room (with no roof) |
| 18:16.45 | Shirik | ... |
| 18:16.46 | ZorbaBeta | yeah. as I said, black magic. |
| 18:16.46 | clever | like the city is several rooms inside rooms |
| 18:16.59 | Shirik | Norton Antivirus just detected my PGP signature as a virus |
| 18:17.09 | ZorbaBeta | I don't even know if we can determine whether those minimap nodes exist. I think we can't. as far as UI mods are concerned, the minimap is a black box with godlike powers. |
| 18:17.21 | jnwhiteh | What domain name registrar do people use? |
| 18:17.37 | Shirik | dyndns |
| 18:17.39 | clever | yeah, from what ive seen of how gatherer works, it cant see the dots from minerals and stuff |
| 18:17.42 | Shirik | <3 dyndns |
| 18:17.46 | jnwhiteh | clever: we cannot see those, intentinoally. |
| 18:17.50 | clever | all it can do is predict when it thinks i'm in range, and switch to a transparent ring |
| 18:17.54 | ZorbaBeta | I've been using joker.com forever |
| 18:18.02 | clever | so that the real dot will show thru, if its there |
| 18:18.12 | clever | leaving the humman to decide if it really is there |
| 18:18.19 | clever | jnwhiteh: yeah, anti-farming bot |
| 18:18.21 | ZorbaBeta | they're not fantastic, but they work and they've been around for many years |
| 18:18.37 | jnwhiteh | ZorbaBeta: do you pay for whois privacy |
| 18:18.38 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 18:18.45 | clever | dont want a level 80 randomly cruising the entire world and mapping every mineral |
| 18:18.47 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: Kaelten just moved all of his stuff off of godaddy, not sure where too however |
| 18:19.07 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: he _was_ on mydomain.com a while ago |
| 18:19.10 | jnwhiteh | back on wowace 2.0 |
| 18:19.20 | ZorbaBeta | no, I don't, but some of my stuff is out of date anyway |
| 18:19.41 | clever | ZorbaBeta: i was thinking, that whatever function your using to get the map#, to find out what map your on, may produce a different number in each 'room' of the city |
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| 18:20.10 | ZorbaBeta | clever, it's a nice idea. But, no. It doesn't. Sorry. :) |
| 18:20.22 | clever | so just 1 id for all of stormwind basicaly? |
| 18:20.33 | ZorbaBeta | There *are* ways I can determine things like that, mostly involving figuring out where the entrypoint was to "indoors". That's possible. Haven't done it. |
| 18:20.40 | ZorbaBeta | If I do end up changing the loc format, it'll be to embed that data in it. |
| 18:21.18 | clever | yeah, if you know where the 'door' between floors is, you could track where the player walks, and know what floor he should be on |
| 18:21.28 | ZorbaBeta | well, I can't determine between-floors |
| 18:21.32 | clever | aslong as he doesnt go over a cliff and take a shortcut |
| 18:21.33 | ZorbaBeta | I can determine entrance-to-cave, in theory at least |
| 18:21.57 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:21.59 | ZorbaBeta | I can also figure out what areas of the world map are probably walkable. There's a lot I can do. The bottleneck on QH tends to be my own time. |
| 18:22.00 | clever | i'm thinking with orgimar, if you walk into a 'wall' on the upper level, then your going down to a lower one |
| 18:22.13 | clever | then you can keep track of that lower elevation with an internal variable |
| 18:22.44 | Fisker | finally |
| 18:22.47 | clever | you just have to map out where those downward ramps are, where it transitions between floors |
| 18:22.47 | Fisker | got draenei Antiarc |
| 18:23.20 | Ginji | My comp is too fast for the char bug |
| 18:23.37 | clever | yeah, alot of the problems can all be fixed if you just throw alot of time into it, but you may not have enough spare time to afford it |
| 18:24.22 | clever | how responsive are the wow admins to adding stuff addon dev's ask for? |
| 18:24.41 | ZorbaBeta | I sort of have spare time roughly proportional to donations, which have been falling off lately. que sera sera :) |
| 18:24.46 | jnwhiteh | depends on the merit of your suggestion |
| 18:24.53 | jnwhiteh | and what channel you use to make the suggestion |
| 18:25.35 | Antiarc | Ginji: I get ~300 FPS on the char select screen and it works for me |
| 18:25.39 | ZorbaBeta | so if I spam every @blizzard.com email with "u shud make death kniths do more damag! also remov paladins cauz theyre gay" then it'll probably happen? |
| 18:26.05 | clever | jnwhiteh: something like a simple elevation reading would seem fairly harmless, but then again, the game itself may not be able to handle that very well on its own |
| 18:26.29 | Ackis | has anyone played with the Asus OS? I can't remember the name of it, but it boots up in like 10 seconds and lets you do e-mail/web/skype |
| 18:26.29 | clever | i think the maps are purely done thru height mapping, and cant have a cave or void in anything |
| 18:26.29 | jnwhiteh | clever: I am fairly certain that they have no wish to give us z-coordinates. |
| 18:26.44 | jnwhiteh | We are very lucky to have what we have now |
| 18:26.49 | clever | jnwhiteh: why would they want to keep that locked up so much? |
| 18:27.09 | jnwhiteh | Why wouldn't they? |
| 18:27.15 | jnwhiteh | They're not in the habit of exposing information |
| 18:27.18 | jnwhiteh | and because it helps bots |
| 18:27.19 | jnwhiteh | a lot |
| 18:27.23 | ZorbaBeta | yeah this is blizzard we're talking about here |
| 18:27.28 | ZorbaBeta | "open information" is not exactly one of their mantras |
| 18:27.31 | Ginji | Antiarc: I guess I just fail then |
| 18:27.48 | clever | and what about that recent addition in PTR to get a list of every quest you have already completed? |
| 18:27.58 | jnwhiteh | that doesn't help botting? |
| 18:27.59 | jnwhiteh | in the least |
| 18:28.02 | jnwhiteh | and can already be done with an addon |
| 18:28.03 | jnwhiteh | so.. |
| 18:28.16 | ZorbaBeta | I'm still rather surprised they did that. I think they're tired of fielding "which of the distress beacons have I done" requests. |
| 18:28.18 | clever | it could help the bot take off where it last stopped, without having to remember what has and hasnt been done |
| 18:28.27 | clever | so the bot could run with less saved state |
| 18:28.29 | jnwhiteh | clever: "without havign to remember" |
| 18:28.31 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 18:28.34 | jnwhiteh | that's a problem no one cares about |
| 18:28.38 | jnwhiteh | z-axis isn't available |
| 18:28.39 | Antiarc | Ginji: Hit them at the same time, maybe click the sleightest fraction of a second before |
| 18:28.43 | jnwhiteh | its exposing information tha can't currently be obtained |
| 18:28.45 | jnwhiteh | pretty simple to see |
| 18:28.53 | jnwhiteh | unless you're purposely being obtuse |
| 18:28.55 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 18:29.07 | clever | one of the anti-bot things ive seen in other games |
| 18:29.13 | ZorbaBeta | actually I'm not *entirely* convinced it can't currently be approximated, especially with the kind of info that QH has available. But there would be a lot of black magic involved. :) |
| 18:29.18 | clever | the doors would randomly close if left open too long |
| 18:29.41 | clever | so you cant simply macro your way thru things, you have to detect if the door is open or shut, then take action |
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| 18:29.56 | jnwhiteh | that's an entirely different problem, and sure that helps. |
| 18:30.24 | jnwhiteh | I mean, feel free to ask |
| 18:30.27 | jnwhiteh | btu don't hold your breath |
| 18:30.44 | clever | ive also had an idea on how to make a pure lua bot that could bend the rules and attack on its own |
| 18:31.03 | Antiarc | hahahahah |
| 18:31.05 | jnwhiteh | go ahead, and watch the hold get closed |
| 18:31.05 | Antiarc | shields get inherited |
| 18:31.06 | clever | you basicaly just have a bunch of black/white squares on the screen, with photo-sensors tapped over them:P |
| 18:31.15 | jnwhiteh | clever: that's not a "pure lua bot" |
| 18:31.17 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 18:31.18 | jnwhiteh | so,fail. |
| 18:31.23 | ZorbaBeta | yeah that's pretty far away from pure lua ;) |
| 18:31.26 | clever | it wont need any other software component |
| 18:31.35 | jnwhiteh | "software' |
| 18:31.38 | clever | nothing to hack into the wow process and hook c functions |
| 18:31.40 | jnwhiteh | just custom hardware to click the mouse |
| 18:31.44 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 18:31.45 | ZorbaBeta | likewise, me sitting in front of the computer questing requires no other software component |
| 18:31.47 | jnwhiteh | get a fucking woodpecker. |
| 18:31.48 | ZorbaBeta | *pure lua bot* |
| 18:31.50 | jnwhiteh | or play the game |
| 18:31.56 | clever | yeah, just some hardware to click/type under command of the addon |
| 18:32.01 | jnwhiteh | yeah 'just some hardware' |
| 18:32.03 | jnwhiteh | fail. |
| 18:32.12 | clever | so the addon can decide when to click/type, based on the info that it can read |
| 18:32.23 | clever | it would be more inteligent then a wood pecker:P |
| 18:32.25 | Antiarc | http://i38.tinypic.com/idd54l.jpg |
| 18:32.25 | jnwhiteh | can already be done in software |
| 18:32.27 | jnwhiteh | and is stupid |
| 18:33.30 | NeoTron | Antiarc: so.. starcaller or the fact that you're weirding a shield for extra dw leetness? |
| 18:33.47 | Antiarc | NeoTron: That's my human female rogue |
| 18:33.55 | Antiarc | NeoTron: http://i33.tinypic.com/htzns2.jpg |
| 18:33.58 | Antiarc | So is that |
| 18:34.07 | Antiarc | And this: http://i36.tinypic.com/5fkso3.jpg |
| 18:34.45 | Seerah | omg - Antiarc haxxors! |
| 18:35.05 | Antiarc | Seerah: It's a race condition with model loading, apparently |
| 18:35.24 | Antiarc | Log into character A, log out, select B in the char select, mouse over A, hit enter and click on A at the same time. You'll log into B with A's model. |
| 18:35.27 | Seerah | meaning every time you log in, it's random what you end up with? :p |
| 18:35.39 | Seerah | whoa |
| 18:35.42 | Antiarc | No, you pick what character you map it to |
| 18:35.50 | ZorbaBeta | I suspect the problem is that "enter" triggers first, and begins loading with a specific character |
| 18:36.02 | Fisker | Seerah he's already been reported |
| 18:36.06 | ZorbaBeta | then "click" triggers before it has a chance to lock out the character-choice UI and changes which character is *selected* |
| 18:36.07 | Antiarc | So that's my human male paladin, female draenei shaman, and male tauren druid, except on my female human rogue |
| 18:36.12 | ZorbaBeta | and it loads the model based on the *selected* character. |
| 18:36.17 | Antiarc | Right. |
| 18:36.31 | ZorbaBeta | it lasts until you die or are shape-shifted in some way |
| 18:36.39 | ZorbaBeta | I think zoning might break it also |
| 18:36.43 | Antiarc | Shape-shifting 132's the client :P |
| 18:36.47 | Seerah | how about changing gear? no? |
| 18:36.51 | Antiarc | Changing gear works |
| 18:37.08 | ZorbaBeta | also, if your real character has nothing in a slot, and your "fake" character has something in that slot, you end up with it showing on your real character |
| 18:37.18 | Seerah | hence the shield? |
| 18:37.21 | ZorbaBeta | I ended up with my bank alt in full plate with a monocle because I had "hide helm" on on my main :D |
| 18:37.22 | Antiarc | Yeah, and shirt |
| 18:38.06 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I suspect "shield" is considered a different model anchor point than offhand weapon, and it actually does that based on model anchor point |
| 18:38.57 | Antiarc | I pulled out my ranged and it got rid of the shield. *shrug* |
| 18:39.04 | clever | but will everybody see the 'wrong' model or just yourself? |
| 18:39.24 | Antiarc | Only you see the wrong one, naturally |
| 18:39.27 | clever | the server may not be aware of the hack, and continue to tell everybody else to display the 'correct' 3d model |
| 18:39.31 | clever | ahh |
| 18:39.37 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, it's clientside only |
| 18:39.49 | Antiarc | You're just telling the client to load another model after you've sent "log into this character" to the server, but before the UI lockout happens. |
| 18:39.49 | ZorbaBeta | nice for betatesting a race change though ;) |
| 18:40.04 | clever | so you cant run arround alliance teritory with a tauren :P |
| 18:40.19 | NightHawkTheSane | well you CAN |
| 18:40.21 | Antiarc | You can, people just won't see you as such |
| 18:40.37 | clever | NightHawkTheSane: but nobody else would see a tauren, and so they wont freak out and try to kill you |
| 18:40.43 | ZorbaBeta | I did see an awesome pic of a tauren rogue stealthed behind the king :3 |
| 18:40.52 | clever | lol |
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| 18:44.53 | Thunder_Child | "If the Random option is repeatedly selected, players can run the same Heroic dungeon more than once a day." interesting |
| 18:45.27 | Aelobin | any idea what the hex colour code is for system messages? or a close match |
| 18:45.31 | Aelobin | cba to go looking lol xD |
| 18:45.49 | alestane | ChatFrame.lua |
| 18:46.14 | Aelobin | FFFF00, google image search for a chart :P |
| 18:48.26 | Aelobin | why i ask when it takes less time to google, i dont know :P |
| 18:51.23 | Thunder_Child | indeed |
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| 19:08.38 | olafski | or learn these values by heart / know how to construct them :) |
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| 19:13.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: thats rather neat. |
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| 19:18.09 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, yea, though farther on if you read it says that once you do a dungeon randomly you can not choose it, but if you choose it first you can still pick it up again in random |
| 19:18.29 | Thunder_Child | i can already see such abuse from it |
| 19:19.27 | ZorbaBeta | what abuse do you see coming out of it? |
| 19:19.55 | Thunder_Child | sell spots in random dungeons for places people want to farm |
| 19:20.32 | ZorbaBeta | can you sell spots in LFG groups? |
| 19:21.00 | Thunder_Child | it could be a premade in a random dungeon group |
| 19:21.19 | Thunder_Child | s/group/instance/ |
| 19:21.50 | Parks | Thunder_Child: how beneficial would farming one particular dungeon be anyway? |
| 19:22.25 | Thunder_Child | Parks, you are a brand new 80, you farm ToC, you pass go collect 200 and go straight to uld or somesuch |
| 19:23.03 | Thunder_Child | worth it for a couple hundred g or whatever |
| 19:23.20 | Parks | well but it *is* random |
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| 19:24.06 | Thunder_Child | right, so you have a group of 5 people from a server that go to random instances and sell slots to people that want them |
| 19:24.16 | Thunder_Child | isnt all that hard |
| 19:24.21 | Thunder_Child | just somewhat time consuming |
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| 19:26.41 | Aelobin | dyou think if i sent an addon message followed by a guild message, they'd 100% always arrive in that order? |
| 19:28.14 | Kaso | im not sure i'd rely on that without some serious testing to verify |
| 19:28.30 | Kaso | you'd be making some pretty big presumptions of blizzard's implementation |
| 19:28.48 | Aelobin | aye that's what im worried about |
| 19:29.19 | Kaso | why not put an artificial pause between the two messages, that'd definately sway the odds in your favour |
| 19:29.50 | Aelobin | hmm guess i could |
| 19:30.07 | Kaso | What's the situation that puts that requirement |
| 19:30.19 | Kaso | if you can go into it without too it being too complicated |
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| 19:31.07 | Aelobin | sending a guild message saying "has earned the achievement [Target Something]!" and all members who have the same addon get a guild-addon message with the data for a hyperlink |
| 19:31.24 | Aelobin | but the other way round >_< |
| 19:31.30 | Kaso | ah i see |
| 19:31.38 | Aelobin | so when the guild message arrives, a chat filter could modify the achievement to a link |
| 19:32.26 | Kaso | well you can buffer achievement message whenever you receive it without a preceding meta-packet |
| 19:32.54 | Kaso | then wait for the metapacket, with some sort of timeout/fallback message posted without the link metadata if it never arrives |
| 19:33.03 | Aelobin | hmm yeh |
| 19:33.14 | Aelobin | because noones gonna cilck the link within 2ms or w/e :P |
| 19:33.40 | Aelobin | now to research hyperlinks, *disappears* :) |
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| 19:36.05 | Parks | blizz should fix up the chat log, like make it mouse scrollable |
| 19:36.18 | Parks | but i use prat anyway |
| 19:38.09 | olafski | prat seems kind of buggy to me :( |
| 19:38.12 | olafski | but I use it anyway |
| 19:39.22 | Apsrk | its great |
| 19:40.15 | olafski | the top 2 lines of my chat window seem "stuck" at times |
| 19:40.28 | olafski | i.e. I scroll up a bit, then scroll down but the top 2 lines don't scroll with the rest of the window |
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| 19:41.41 | Apsrk | any of you work on auctioneer? |
| 19:41.41 | Ackis | Fisker: http://raptr.com/Ackis |
| 19:42.30 | Cairenn | Apsrk: lots, ask your question |
| 19:43.20 | Ackis | ~asktoask |
| 19:43.21 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 19:44.14 | Apsrk | i dont have one right now, just commenting on the masterpiece of coding it is :) |
| 19:44.26 | Cairenn | :) |
| 19:44.53 | Aelobin | cant find any guides on making custom hyperlinks :< |
| 19:45.03 | Aelobin | if anyone could point me in the direction of one, i'd be grateful |
| 19:45.08 | sylvaan | |H|h|h |
| 19:45.14 | zenzelezz | points |
| 19:45.26 | Ackis | Apsrk: #norganna is also full of them |
| 19:45.34 | Cairenn | lol zenzelezz |
| 19:46.04 | Aelobin | sylvanaar: i mean hooking the click of it too :) |
| 19:46.26 | Shirik | tackles Cairenn |
| 19:46.38 | Apsrk | the window that lets you post multiple stacks alone is worth it |
| 19:46.39 | Cairenn | oofs and falls over |
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| 19:47.45 | Shirik | what do you think of its determination of prices? |
| 19:48.31 | sylvanaar | Aelobin you can see how prat does it, Prat-3.0/services/links.lua |
| 19:48.37 | Aelobin | ty |
| 19:48.58 | Thunder_Child | lol Shirik, you sir, are a whore |
| 19:48.59 | Apsrk | foe one thing, wtb auction scans from anywhere :) |
| 19:49.53 | Apsrk | but thats probably not possible? |
| 19:50.01 | sylvanaar | constant table overflow - wts |
| 19:50.15 | Ginji | Apsrk: roll engineering |
| 19:50.24 | Apsrk | Ginji: why? |
| 19:50.32 | Ginji | <Apsrk> foe one thing, wtb auction scans from anywhere :) |
| 19:50.38 | Aelobin | AH in dalaran :P |
| 19:50.40 | Thunder_Child | you can summon a auction buy every so often |
| 19:50.46 | Apsrk | oh :D |
| 19:50.46 | Thunder_Child | s/buy/guy/ |
| 19:50.50 | sylvanaar | oh right, jeeves |
| 19:50.55 | Aelobin | jeeves can't access the AH |
| 19:51.27 | Apsrk | well i dont use the AH -that- often |
| 19:51.30 | Seerah | I thought Jeeves was for bank? |
| 19:52.15 | Antiarc | http://pixelatedgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/tumblr_kouqfj0Ab51qzhtqko1_4001.jpg |
| 19:52.28 | Ginji | jeeves is for repair/reagents |
| 19:52.46 | Ginji | I don't know what benefits he has for engineers |
| 19:52.52 | sylvanaar | boba |
| 19:53.19 | sylvanaar | ok - there was something that was going to let you use the AH |
| 19:53.33 | Thunder_Child | something does |
| 19:53.37 | sylvanaar | the ah |
| 19:53.39 | Thunder_Child | i just dont know the name offhand |
| 19:53.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 19:53.53 | Apsrk | lol @ people who have caps lock on when they use chat help on company websites |
| 19:54.41 | sylvanaar | lols politely |
| 19:55.16 | Apsrk | i look over at the computer where my coworker is chatting and lol |
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| 19:55.42 | Seerah | did you ask them why they were yelling? ;) |
| 19:55.50 | Apsrk | hehe |
| 19:57.45 | Apsrk | see ya on the other side |
| 19:59.35 | Ackis | Cairenn: apparently twitter lists are out there for at least 50% of users now |
| 19:59.52 | Ginji | oohhh, as an engineer there's a guy in dalaran which will give you access to the AH |
| 20:00.31 | Aelobin | Aelobin>AH in dalaran :P |
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| 20:00.58 | Cairenn | Ackis: thanks, will look into it when I get back |
| 20:02.35 | Ackis | Team Fortress 2 is available for only $2.49/£2.49/2,49⬠for the next two hours. Offer ends exactly at 2:00pm Pacific Time. |
| 20:03.00 | Ginji | Steam still hasn't learned of currency conversions |
| 20:04.00 | Shirik | already has TF2 :( |
| 20:04.21 | Ginji | fires up his laptop while trying to remember the steam login details |
| 20:04.35 | Shirik | Thunder_Child ::( |
| 20:04.37 | Shirik | why so mean |
| 20:05.17 | Ackis | http://store.steampowered.com/app/440/ is the direct URL |
| 20:05.35 | Arrowmaster | Ginji: it would look bad to sell a popular pc game for £0.99/0,99⬠|
| 20:05.45 | Ginji | :P |
| 20:08.49 | Ginji | But that doesn't take away the fact that they do the same for the not discounted games |
| 20:09.04 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 20:09.19 | Arrowmaster | they would probably convert it if the dollar was worth more |
| 20:09.25 | Ginji | Bah! I can't find my pound sign! |
| 20:09.30 | Ginji | Probably |
| 20:09.35 | Ackis | # |
| 20:09.44 | Ginji | Nope |
| 20:09.49 | Ginji | That's ³ here |
| 20:10.07 | Ginji | I do have the yen though :P |
| 20:10.34 | Arrowmaster | remember how all the wii's got sent to europe over the US because they sold for the same numerical number but the dollar was worth less, same thing |
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| 20:11.06 | Ginji | Guess so |
| 20:11.14 | Arrowmaster | they get to pocket the amount gained from currency conversion |
| 20:11.23 | Ginji | This all points to one solution |
| 20:11.34 | Ginji | My, as dictator of the world |
| 20:11.36 | Arrowmaster | universal currency? |
| 20:11.38 | Ginji | s/my/me/ |
| 20:12.44 | Ginji | Dictatorship isn't always bad, it just usually turns out that way |
| 20:16.07 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, why so needing of other peoples validation? |
| 20:17.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Lunessa (n=chatzill@WoWUIDev/Lunessa) |
| 20:17.54 | Lunessa | She came in through the bathroom window... |
| 20:18.09 | Seerah | hola |
| 20:19.12 | Ginji | And out the front door |
| 20:20.14 | cog|work | hihi |
| 20:20.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Lunessa (n=chatzill@WoWUIDev/Lunessa) |
| 20:20.45 | Lunessa | grrrr.. ChatZilla crashed Firefox |
| 20:21.24 | cog|work | Lunessa: check out xulrunner |
| 20:21.33 | cog|work | http://chatzilla.rdmsoft.com/xulrunner/ |
| 20:22.57 | Lunessa | cog|work: reading the FAQ nao |
| 20:24.24 | cog|work | does titanium spawn from saronite nodes? |
| 20:24.44 | Yssaril | anyone else can not log onto the PTR? |
| 20:24.49 | Lunessa | So, I'm supposed to be grading my mom's road with the backhoe, but the tornado watch and the torrential rain nixed that |
| 20:25.29 | KarlKFI|work | cog|work: yes |
| 20:25.41 | Lunessa | cog|work: same places generally, but you can't get the ore from a saronite node |
| 20:26.10 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: Because |
| 20:26.17 | Shirik | I want to be useful :( |
| 20:26.18 | KarlKFI|work | it's a rare spawn from the same node locations afaik |
| 20:26.18 | cog|work | read: each saronite node has a chance to spawn as a titanium |
| 20:26.26 | Shirik | ~hubris |
| 20:26.27 | purl | HUBRIS: Excessive pride, the sort of thing Zeus zaps you for. Also the quality that makes you write (and maintain) programs that other people won't want to say bad things about. Hence, the third great virtue of a programmer. |
| 20:27.37 | cog|work | ~laziness |
| 20:27.38 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 20:27.46 | KarlKFI|work | it's the same way other rare spawns work, like gold |
| 20:27.57 | cog|work | KarlKFI|work: that's what i figgerd |
| 20:28.27 | Gnarfoz | Adys: any idea how to unmute a Wave? |
| 20:28.32 | KarlKFI|work | with your fist |
| 20:28.49 | KarlKFI|work | or a sonic resonator |
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| 20:29.12 | Lunessa | Fisting a Wave sounds like something you'd find on alt.sex.freaky |
| 20:29.17 | KarlKFI|work | ~google unmute a wave |
| 20:29.27 | KarlKFI|work | hmmm |
| 20:30.12 | KarlKFI|work | purl died |
| 20:30.22 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 20:30.32 | Lunessa | Or she's on her coffee break. Union rules |
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| 20:31.35 | KarlKFI|work | !google unmute a wave |
| 20:31.35 | batbot | KarlKFI|work: How to unmute a wave? - Google Wave Help <http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/wave/thread?tid=6a3b1c1961d9e05f&hl=en> |
| 20:31.49 | KarlKFI|work | that's better |
| 20:32.18 | cog|work | :'( |
| 20:32.32 | KarlKFI|work | ~pat batbot |
| 20:32.33 | purl | ACTION pats batbot and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 20:36.52 | Shirik | lol @thread on lua-l |
| 20:37.12 | Shirik | They're discussing what "foo sucks" means in the US and where it originated from |
| 20:45.49 | Lunessa | foo, it sucks. |
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| 20:50.09 | Fisker | weird |
| 20:50.25 | Fisker | icehowl's enrage/frenzy on heroic was dispellable |
| 20:51.22 | Thunder_Child | no Shirik, not hubris. |
| 20:51.40 | alestane | Lunessa: Those sounds like good reasons to delay a roadworks project, yes. |
| 20:51.40 | Shirik | by hunters? |
| 20:51.42 | Shirik | or by all |
| 20:52.24 | Fisker | dunno |
| 20:52.28 | Fisker | it got dispelled prematurely |
| 20:52.33 | Lunessa | alestane: yes, indeed |
| 20:52.40 | Fisker | But it wasn't an enrage effect the try before |
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| 20:58.27 | NightHawkTheSane | stabs someone in the face |
| 20:59.16 | Thunder_Child | puts fisked infront of NightHawkTheSane's knife |
| 20:59.24 | Thunder_Child | ...fisked? |
| 20:59.28 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 20:59.29 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Thunder_Child. I hate you because you fail. |
| 21:01.20 | Lunessa | FAIL |
| 21:02.12 | Thunder_Child | thank you Lunessa, i feel better now |
| 21:02.27 | Lunessa | I live to serve. |
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| 21:10.41 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:10.56 | Thunder_Child | eats Fisker's other other other fish |
| 21:15.03 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Do you have any idea where that fish has been? |
| 21:15.21 | sylvanaar | literally everywhere |
| 21:15.29 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, slapping me |
| 21:15.37 | Thunder_Child | not really sylvanaar, i ate his other ones |
| 21:15.42 | Thunder_Child | these are fresh |
| 21:15.55 | Lunessa | heh |
| 21:16.47 | Thunder_Child | the first one was rather gamy though |
| 21:16.49 | sylvanaar | Fisker is it dispellable for real, because I told people in my guild that and they told me it wasnt |
| 21:17.38 | Fisker | as i said i think it was a onetime thing |
| 21:17.50 | Fisker | we had it the try before and it was definitely red bordered without an effect |
| 21:18.03 | Fisker | but on that try it was orange and classe as enrage |
| 21:18.09 | Fisker | then it was dispelled a few seconds later |
| 21:19.04 | Fisker | we actually got a kill because of it :P |
| 21:19.10 | sylvanaar | nice |
| 21:19.36 | Fisker | or atleast my guess is that he would've taken down a lot of people had it not been dispelled that quick |
| 21:20.49 | sylvanaar | Fisker do you have the combat log? |
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| 21:22.13 | olafski | If he hits any player(s) (not neccessarily the original target), they die instantly and he enrages (dispellable with Tranquilizing Shot or Anesthetic Poison). |
| 21:22.17 | olafski | http://www.wowwiki.com/Northrend_Beasts |
| 21:22.52 | olafski | pretty common knowledge I'd say ;p |
| 21:23.14 | olafski | kudos to the rogue who goes close enough to apply anesthetic poison though =) |
| 21:25.32 | sylvanaar | H25 man its not dispellable |
| 21:25.32 | Fisker | nope sylvanaar :/ |
| 21:25.46 | olafski | hmkay |
| 21:25.52 | olafski | he shouldn't enrage anyway though should he? |
| 21:27.07 | sylvanaar | it happens |
| 21:27.55 | olafski | and here I thought hardmodes were for guilds who could do the encounters flawlessly :( |
| 21:28.26 | Fisker | hah |
| 21:28.29 | Fisker | it's even more fucked |
| 21:28.38 | Fisker | he berserks just before/after a massive crash |
| 21:28.48 | Fisker | depending on your luck you can extend the encounter by around 30-40 seconds |
| 21:29.18 | Fisker | that's how we just did our kill as well |
| 21:29.30 | Fisker | he had 5% left, massive crash then berserk |
| 21:29.31 | Fisker | :P |
| 21:29.40 | Fisker | but he was stunned so no problem there |
| 21:29.56 | End | This application has encountered a critical error: The operation completed successfully. |
| 21:30.12 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 21:30.31 | Fisker | anyways i guess it's one of those one-time occuring bugs that'll never help again |
| 21:30.37 | Fisker | but great timing :P |
| 21:30.43 | Sesshu | guild motd seems to be bugged while loading. |
| 21:31.20 | Fisker | but i got myself some epics |
| 21:31.26 | Shirik | o.O http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/8331136.stm?lsm |
| 21:31.31 | Fisker | Bloodbath Girdle + Death's Choice |
| 21:31.42 | Fisker | awesome Shirik |
| 21:31.43 | cog|work | wants a wave :'( |
| 21:31.46 | Sesshu | always guild motd gets printed in _one_ chatframe while loading |
| 21:31.51 | Fisker | what's your fucking wave? |
| 21:31.52 | zenzelezz | waves at cog|work |
| 21:31.57 | cog|work | <3 zenzelezz |
| 21:31.58 | Sesshu | and thats chatframe 1 |
| 21:32.04 | cog|work | and </3 zenzelezz |
| 21:32.08 | cog|work | compartmentalizes |
| 21:32.26 | zenzelezz | I assume you mean Google Wave invite? |
| 21:32.37 | ScytheBlade1 | has several left |
| 21:32.42 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1: several? |
| 21:32.47 | Shirik | has a wave |
| 21:32.50 | Fisker | more than a few zenzelezz |
| 21:32.53 | ScytheBlade1 | They gave me 20 |
| 21:32.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I have, iirc, 16 left |
| 21:33.00 | zenzelezz | Fisker: the other day he said 3, of which he gave our 2 |
| 21:33.04 | zenzelezz | *out |
| 21:33.08 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 refuses to wave at me |
| 21:33.17 | ScytheBlade1 | stabinates Shirik |
| 21:33.22 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:33.29 | Shirik | y </3? |
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| 21:34.15 | Shirik | "He says he hopes his new bride will give him more children." |
| 21:34.16 | Shirik | lmao wtf |
| 21:34.40 | Shirik | man needs to relax on the pimp juice |
| 21:34.41 | Sesshu | 117 and still not impotent? |
| 21:34.54 | Shirik | I know |
| 21:34.55 | Shirik | seriously |
| 21:35.02 | NeoTron | impressive really |
| 21:35.05 | Shirik | what does he think he is, chinese? |
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| 21:35.10 | Shirik | ok that was wrong I'm sorry |
| 21:35.10 | NeoTron | his oldest kid being 80 |
| 21:35.18 | Sesshu | lol |
| 21:35.23 | Sesshu | omg! |
| 21:36.14 | cog|work | I love how they aren't bothering to support IE during development |
| 21:36.58 | KarlKFI|work | IE doesn't support the neccissary HTML5 does it? |
| 21:37.57 | KarlKFI|work | if anyone can drive people away from IE it's google |
| 21:38.11 | jnwhiteh | Does anyone know of a simple cross-platform application for XML validation? |
| 21:38.13 | zenzelezz | here's hopign |
| 21:38.16 | zenzelezz | and hoping |
| 21:38.23 | Shirik | jnwhiteh: Visual Studio |
| 21:38.27 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 21:38.31 | Shirik | Visual Studio + WINE |
| 21:38.35 | KarlKFI|work | lol |
| 21:38.38 | KarlKFI|work | diaf |
| 21:38.40 | Shirik | :P |
| 21:38.45 | jnwhiteh | umm no |
| 21:38.47 | ScytheBlade1 | jnwhiteh: libxml, iirc, has a CLI validator (same one that I use for my online validator) |
| 21:38.49 | Shirik | No but seriously, Java has really good support |
| 21:39.01 | Shirik | it should be trivial to write up a quick validation program |
| 21:39.08 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: I know Java has support, but that's not an application I can send my users to |
| 21:39.11 | jnwhiteh | ~xmlvalidate |
| 21:39.13 | Shirik | ah |
| 21:39.16 | Shirik | I thought it was for you |
| 21:39.17 | jnwhiteh | ScytheBlade1: whats the URL? |
| 21:39.19 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: no |
| 21:39.40 | KarlKFI|work | !google libxml |
| 21:39.40 | batbot | KarlKFI|work: libxml - The XML library for Gnome <http://xmlsoft.org/> |
| 21:39.51 | Shirik | for gnome? |
| 21:39.53 | Shirik | scoffs |
| 21:39.57 | KarlKFI|work | CLI |
| 21:39.59 | jnwhiteh | again, that' sa library |
| 21:40.01 | jnwhiteh | I need an application |
| 21:40.05 | ScytheBlade1 | http://dev.averageurl.com/wow/xml/ |
| 21:40.10 | ScytheBlade1 | You said you were going to throw it in your book |
| 21:40.14 | jnwhiteh | ScytheBlade1: I am |
| 21:40.16 | jnwhiteh | if i can remember :P |
| 21:40.26 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:40.26 | KarlKFI|work | it's really from Gnome, not For gnome |
| 21:40.59 | Shirik | Please send any comments, criticism, bug reports, or free cookies to sbo at averageurl dot com. Thanks! |
| 21:41.04 | Shirik | woot |
| 21:41.12 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 openly accepts criticism |
| 21:41.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I do |
| 21:42.26 | Lunessa | he laughs in its face often |
| 21:42.41 | NightHawkTheSane | ~Lunessa++ |
| 21:43.21 | fl1st4r | hello, where i can find tutorial about frame cration in lua ?! |
| 21:43.40 | ScytheBlade1 | !api CreateFrame |
| 21:43.41 | lua_bot | CreateFrame: Creates a new Frame object (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CreateFrame) |
| 21:43.42 | Shirik | Fisker, did you make a clone? |
| 21:43.49 | ScytheBlade1 | !g wow tutorial create frame |
| 21:43.50 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: WoW Frames Tutorial <http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/> |
| 21:43.57 | fl1st4r | thx ;) |
| 21:44.32 | Shirik | there should be an lmgtfy command |
| 21:45.13 | Sesshu | <Ui xmlns="http://www.blizzard.com/wow/ui/" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.blizzard.com/wow/ui/ |
| 21:45.13 | Sesshu | C:\Projects\WoW\Bin\Interface\FrameXML\UI.xsd"> |
| 21:45.28 | Sesshu | from blizzard code |
| 21:45.43 | Sesshu | where there is the c: dir? |
| 21:45.55 | Sesshu | s/where/why |
| 21:46.04 | Sesshu | hm can't use purl |
| 21:46.05 | ScytheBlade1 | jnwhiteh: xmllint is the app name |
| 21:46.27 | ScytheBlade1 | http://xmlsoft.org/xmllint.html |
| 21:46.40 | jnwhiteh | Sesshu: You supply that path. |
| 21:46.48 | jnwhiteh | Sesshu: use http://wowprogramming.com/FrameXML/UI.xsd |
| 21:46.50 | cbreak | fl1st4r: local f = CreateFrame("Frame", nil, UIParent) |
| 21:47.20 | Ycarene | Are there any profiling addons for wow? |
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| 21:47.27 | cbreak | yes |
| 21:47.31 | Sesshu | i supply? |
| 21:47.48 | cbreak | FuBar_PerformanceFu |
| 21:48.00 | Shirik | PerformanceFu performs poorly |
| 21:48.04 | cbreak | yeah |
| 21:48.06 | cbreak | but it does :) |
| 21:48.16 | Sesshu | i thinks its only done worng by blizz |
| 21:48.40 | cbreak | I use it for memory profiling only, since CPU profiling seems to be very un-heisenberg compensated |
| 21:48.57 | Sesshu | (btw it was a quote of the AlertFrames.xml) |
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| 22:11.21 | Lunessa | aren't netsplits delicious? |
| 22:11.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Like chocolate |
| 22:11.26 | Sarkp | wow http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/chill-of-the-throne-tanking-and-you!/ |
| 22:11.26 | Ginji | irc is like a box of chocolates? |
| 22:11.27 | Ginji | So, another debuff like in the quel'danas instance |
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| 22:11.59 | Ginji | Sunwell! |
| 22:11.59 | Ginji | with the sunwell radiance iirc |
| 22:13.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Does anyone know why links around an image would go to someurl/[object HTMLImageElement] ? |
| 22:13.11 | NightHawkTheSane | (and not the url in the href attribute of the link) |
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| 22:14.55 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Is the page mostly scripted or does it have spots where external code could be run to do CSS injection? |
| 22:16.09 | Sarkp | this affects dks and druids a lot no? |
| 22:16.42 | Shirik | Fisker my friend |
| 22:17.35 | Shirik | Ginji? |
| 22:17.35 | Shirik | You wouldn't happen to play on Eredar would you? |
| 22:17.35 | Shirik | er, Drenden |
| 22:18.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: afaik, there's no javascript on the page. |
| 22:18.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: or i could be wrong.. >< |
| 22:18.57 | NightHawkTheSane | grumbles |
| 22:19.25 | NightHawkTheSane | bah. SHould have checked that first. There's a huge dumb javascript method that runs anytime a link on the page is clicked. |
| 22:19.29 | NightHawkTheSane | cries |
| 22:19.47 | Shirik | comforts NightHawkTheSane |
| 22:19.57 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Yeah, I'm going to see that you get another copy of that memo. Yeah. |
| 22:20.52 | NightHawkTheSane | 100 lines of javascript to determine if the user clicked an 'edit' or 'delete' link, and act appropriately |
| 22:20.57 | NightHawkTheSane | >< |
| 22:21.16 | NightHawkTheSane | i could probably write this in like 20 or less. but i dont have time.. |
| 22:22.14 | zenzelezz | clean-up fail... I still have the driver CDs for two Soundblaster Audigy cards that I threw away years ago, as well as motherboard driver CDs for even older motherboards... |
| 22:26.12 | NightHawkTheSane | oh my god, this script hooks the click function on EVERY link on the page, parses its attributes to figure out what KIND Of link it is, and then uses window.location to send the user to the "right" place. >< |
| 22:26.20 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:26.37 | zenzelezz | which page is this? |
| 22:26.40 | NightHawkTheSane | you know. I know i don't always code to the strictest of style standards. |
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| 22:26.57 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Lazy code is lazy. Should have been in the JS for those buttons only. |
| 22:27.20 | NightHawkTheSane | But that's just ugly as sin. |
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| 22:27.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yeah, i can think of like three different ways to write that code that would have taken less code and broken less. |
| 22:28.08 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: a page for the site for the company i work for. >< we're supposed to be launching this week. |
| 22:28.09 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane, please don't take offense to this |
| 22:28.31 | Lunessa | Yeah. Go hit someone with a rolled up newspaper and tell them "no biscuit" |
| 22:28.38 | Shirik | the overwhelming majority of web developers do the absolute first thing they can think of, with no design, and no thought about what might need to be done in the future if things change |
| 22:28.58 | Lunessa | Shirik: Lots of programmers do too. |
| 22:29.07 | Shirik | sure |
| 22:29.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: i'd only be offended if i thougth that even remotely applied to me. I also think it tends to apply to programmers in general |
| 22:29.16 | Shirik | but it is FAR more evident in web developers |
| 22:29.41 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, web dev languages tend to be more permissive about lazy coding practices |
| 22:30.39 | Cide- | hey Shirik |
| 22:30.40 | Shirik | ok sleep time |
| 22:30.42 | Cide- | I'm a web developer |
| 22:30.43 | Cide- | I hate you |
| 22:30.44 | Shirik | hi Cide- |
| 22:30.47 | Cide- | you killed my code |
| 22:30.48 | Cide- | prepare died |
| 22:30.50 | Shirik | yes, I hate you too |
| 22:30.51 | Cide- | wtf? |
| 22:30.53 | Shirik | you like python |
| 22:30.54 | Cide- | prepare to die* |
| 22:31.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: Also, its very obvious from reading some of the code, that that's exactly what happened. It was written in a brute-force-shortest-path way, and it shows. it's physically painful to maintain, ugly to read.. and breaks a lot. |
| 22:31.02 | Cide- | I live python |
| 22:31.18 | Shirik | python is evil |
| 22:31.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide- is actually entirely powered by python |
| 22:31.29 | Cide- | yup |
| 22:31.31 | Cide- | import cide |
| 22:31.33 | Shirik | Remember that bot Cide used to have? |
| 22:31.34 | Shirik | It was actually not a bot at all |
| 22:31.36 | Cide- | cide.ai.mainloop() |
| 22:31.42 | Shirik | it was just Cide evaluating the code |
| 22:31.48 | Cide- | indeed |
| 22:32.12 | Lunessa | Cide has @import sarcasm and @import cruelty in the header file |
| 22:32.54 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly, someone did forget to import soul; |
| 22:33.03 | Shirik | what is @import? |
| 22:33.07 | Lunessa | Cide doesn't need a soul |
| 22:33.08 | Shirik | as opposed to import? |
| 22:33.24 | Lunessa | Shirik: Me not knowing Python |
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| 22:34.36 | NightHawkTheSane | isn't @import css import? |
| 22:34.59 | Lunessa | The @ is used in CSS for imports, yes. |
| 22:35.12 | Shirik | #include |
| 22:35.34 | Adys | @import is css |
| 22:35.48 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/static/css/ie.css |
| 22:36.51 | Lunessa | So, me, making a lame joke, used @import instead of import since I have a very, very cursory knowledge of Python |
| 22:37.10 | Shirik | huggles Lunessa |
| 22:37.30 | Shirik | it's ok, I only know enough python to satisfy Cide-'s lust |
| 22:37.42 | Shirik | for teaching me python |
| 22:37.51 | Lunessa | huggles Shirik in a totally hetero sort of way. not that there's anything wrong with that. |
| 22:37.52 | Adys | Python is awesome, gtfo |
| 22:38.09 | Shirik | no |
| 22:38.13 | Shirik | python offers me nothing |
| 22:38.16 | zenzelezz | "Oh man, look at the indents on that!" |
| 22:38.40 | Lunessa | Meh - after cramming in PHP, I decided to take a break from learning new languages until I wanted to learn Lua |
| 22:38.46 | Adys | lol |
| 22:38.57 | Adys | php sucks your soul out |
| 22:39.04 | Adys | python blows you a new one |
| 22:39.06 | Shirik | the next language on my list is Ada |
| 22:39.45 | Shirik | probably followed by AspectJ |
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| 22:40.24 | Shirik | and then Lopeppeppy |
| 22:40.32 | Lopeppeppy | I should come first. |
| 22:40.39 | Shirik | yes |
| 22:40.47 | Shirik | but you are too complicated |
| 22:40.47 | Lopeppeppy | Excellent, carry on then. |
| 22:40.53 | Lopeppeppy | This also is true, I admit |
| 22:41.12 | Lopeppeppy | But I do try to explain when you ask. I really do. |
| 22:41.12 | Shirik | guys already cannot understand girls |
| 22:41.22 | NightHawkTheSane | *sigh* quick and dirty solution: add a custom class to the links we want to parse, and change the jquery selector so it only grabs those links. leave 100 line ugly js method. >< |
| 22:41.26 | NightHawkTheSane | surrenders. |
| 22:41.28 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy just adds another layer on top of that |
| 22:41.28 | ScytheBlade1 | 1) Don't be a prick 2) Chocolates |
| 22:41.40 | Shirik | I'm not a prick :( |
| 22:41.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you're half way there! |
| 22:42.19 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm working on the Chocolates part. |
| 22:42.28 | NightHawkTheSane | i keep eating them.. i think im doing it wrong |
| 22:42.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I believe you are doing it wrong, yes |
| 22:42.58 | Shirik | ok for srs sleep time |
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| 22:43.05 | Shirik | gonna be a long night |
| 22:44.19 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, what about us girls who can't have chocolates? I prefer scritches. :) |
| 22:44.28 | Lopeppeppy | sleep well, Shirik. |
| 22:45.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: you're a crazy freak. |
| 22:45.12 | NightHawkTheSane | sleeping at, waht.. 6pm? |
| 22:45.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I have no idea what scritches are, but I'd give them to you |
| 22:45.24 | Lopeppeppy | I'll be in bed by 8pm, tops. |
| 22:45.42 | NightHawkTheSane | scritches Lopeppeppy behind the ears. |
| 22:45.54 | Lopeppeppy | Awww, thanks ScytheBlade1. It's a cross between a backrub and a nice back scratching... usually as NHTS says, behind the ears. |
| 22:46.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure if I did that to you I'd be stuck in jail quite promptly. |
| 22:49.01 | Lopeppeppy | Huh? I'm of legal age, are you? |
| 22:49.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Something about sexual harassment of a stranger? |
| 22:49.45 | Lopeppeppy | That usually is not jail time, dear, although it can earn pepper spray in the eyes and so forth. |
| 22:49.49 | NightHawkTheSane | its only harassment if they dont want it |
| 22:50.00 | Lopeppeppy | Always ask first. "May I offer scritches?" |
| 22:50.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Rephrase |
| 22:50.07 | ScytheBlade1 | If I walked up and did that |
| 22:50.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing good would happen to me |
| 22:51.01 | Lopeppeppy | It is likely that your anatomy would be re-arranged if you did not self-identify and ask first, this is true |
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| 22:52.20 | Lunessa | I am mean: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20432624756&sid=1&pageNo=3 |
| 22:52.38 | NightHawkTheSane | I notice a certain recurring theme in these cakes: http://dengedenge.com/2009/10/divorce-cakes/ |
| 22:52.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh man I have a one-line reply for you, Lunessa |
| 22:52.52 | ScytheBlade1 | sec as I l ogin |
| 22:52.54 | ScytheBlade1 | *login |
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| 22:53.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: and thats why we like you |
| 22:54.05 | Lopeppeppy | snorgles on Lunessa. |
| 22:54.36 | Lunessa | huggles Lopeppeppy and extends his head for scritches. |
| 22:54.52 | ScytheBlade1 | and replied |
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| 22:55.33 | Lopeppeppy | pokes Sbo |
| 22:55.41 | Lunessa | SBO I love you and I hate you man |
| 22:57.01 | NightHawkTheSane | ~ScytheBlade1++ |
| 22:57.38 | Ginji | Shirik: no I don't |
| 23:02.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 23:02.23 | ScytheBlade1 | oh |
| 23:02.24 | ScytheBlade1 | meh |
| 23:03.44 | DWSR | are trinket use effects on the GCD? |
| 23:04.04 | ScytheBlade1 | some |
| 23:04.07 | ScytheBlade1 | "it depends" |
| 23:11.25 | fl1st4r | uhmmm weird question here, i fill my dropmenu with a table ( DropOption = { .... } ) , If i want to make my addon Translatable ( enUS / frFR ) , can i put my GetLocale() option in the table ? |
| 23:12.38 | cbreak | it'll just be executed on table construction |
| 23:13.11 | fl1st4r | ok ;) |
| 23:20.04 | Lunessa | NSFW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqR_SwwByMM |
| 23:21.50 | stuf | ample penis |
| 23:23.23 | Cide- | never use dropdowns thanks |
| 23:23.30 | Cide- | except for trivial things |
| 23:23.47 | Cide- | but don't anyway |
| 23:23.52 | Cide- | except when I do it and you copy my code |
| 23:24.00 | Cide- | but don't copy my code |
| 23:24.15 | Lunessa | or he will hunt you down and KILL you. |
| 23:24.27 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR! |
| 23:24.42 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: I think you made him wet himself. |
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| 23:30.12 | Thunder_Child | The vendor will buy gnoll spittle but not a diamond." |
| 23:30.23 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 23:30.59 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 23:39.13 | Antiarc | So, I'm going to float an idea out there: |
| 23:40.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Dashkal (n=dashkal@WoWUIDev/Nexus/dashkal) |
| 23:40.52 | Antiarc | What would you all think of an addon that provided "pseudo-channels"? Effectively, an addon that would let you have however many chat channels you wanted, but would provide them over a single "real" channel, with chat encrypted with the channel name as the key? |
| 23:40.58 | Antiarc | (and perhaps as "password" salt) |
| 23:41.37 | ScytheBlade1 | The only thing that would make it work well would be the chat integration |
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| 23:41.43 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd be the make or break point for me |
| 23:41.57 | Antiarc | My intent would be to make it work as seamlessly as the "real" channels |
| 23:42.04 | ScytheBlade1 | I have about 6 custom channels, and likewise don't sit in the standard /1, /2, /3, etc |
| 23:42.20 | Antiarc | I'd hook the relevant functions so your addons that modify channel colors and stuff would work, too |
| 23:42.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Really the chat interface in general needs fixing :/ |
| 23:42.30 | Antiarc | Basically, I'd provide channels 20-99 or something |
| 23:42.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Could get spammy |
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| 23:43.15 | Antiarc | Yeah, definitely |
| 23:43.24 | Antiarc | LibChatThrottle would handle the outbound anyhow |
| 23:43.45 | Antiarc | I'm just thinking it might a) be interesting to have options beyond 10, and b) it might get Blizzard to increase the limit if it gained any measure of popularity. |
| 23:45.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Well also inbound |
| 23:45.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 23:45.35 | ScytheBlade1 | How would you handle cross guild/party comm? |
| 23:46.32 | Antiarc | What do you mean? |
| 23:46.45 | Antiarc | guild/party would stay in their existing channels |
| 23:47.03 | ScytheBlade1 | How would you get data from person A to B without an addon whisper channel? |
| 23:47.14 | Antiarc | It'd use one real channel slot |
| 23:47.19 | Antiarc | Which is ew ew ick |
| 23:47.29 | ScytheBlade1 | And then you have to watch global incoming traffic |
| 23:47.33 | Antiarc | Indeed. |
| 23:47.37 | ScytheBlade1 | See: multiple people synching at once booting others off |
| 23:47.40 | Antiarc | But again, my hope is that if it gets that popular... |
| 23:47.56 | Antiarc | ...Blizzard would say "stock doesn't cut it, let's bump that channel limit const to 20" |
| 23:49.18 | Dagmar | I think once you step outside the bounds of linking guild channels together, you're basically looking at EFNet of the 90's |
| 23:49.34 | Antiarc | It'd be a hack, certainly |
| 23:49.36 | Dagmar | ...except if the admins allowed just anyone with a cablemodem to link |
| 23:49.36 | Ycarene | Ugh |
| 23:50.04 | Ycarene | Netsplits wow style? |
| 23:50.26 | Antiarc | You wouldn't netsplit, since it's all through a single server |
| 23:50.34 | Antiarc | I'm not talking P2P chat or anything |
| 23:51.00 | ScytheBlade1 | You should build an in-game DHT based forum system instead |
| 23:51.03 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 23:51.07 | Dagmar | No just faked netsplits |
| 23:51.27 | Dagmar | Oh and MITM spoofing of course. |
| 23:51.37 | sylvanaar | Antiarc you know thats been done - it was called classchannels |
| 23:51.51 | Antiarc | Basically, you'd just have a "metachat" channel or something, and I can join a metachat channel, say, "meta1". When I talk in meta1, my message is encrypted with the channel name + password, communicated on the metachat channel, and anyone else with the addon that is registered to that channel with the right password can decrypt the message and it'll be displayed as normal chat in their client. |
| 23:51.56 | Antiarc | Oh, has it? |
| 23:52.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't even need password, the channel name itself is pretty effective |
| 23:52.19 | Antiarc | Ah, that's raid-specific, but interesting. |
| 23:52.29 | Dagmar | There's also guild2guild' |
| 23:52.31 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1: You need to know which messages you're interested in, though |
| 23:52.42 | Antiarc | Unless you just decrypt with channel name with a checksum or something |
| 23:52.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Then as long as I can save the password I don't care |
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| 23:53.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty sure the only reason that password protected WoW channels aren't really that popular is because you can't save the pw |
| 23:53.35 | Antiarc | Yup |
| 23:54.02 | Antiarc | The problem with passworded channels is that everyone on the channel has to keep the password synched, or they just get garbage |
| 23:54.13 | Yssaril | also remember back in the day when people would password protect the global Ace2 comm channel |
| 23:54.17 | Antiarc | Since it's just salt for a decryption key |
| 23:54.23 | Antiarc | yeah, that's true, ugh |
| 23:54.37 | Antiarc | classchannels looks interesting, though |
| 23:55.00 | sylvanaar | it never really took off - but it was a cool idea |
| 23:55.07 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:55.17 | Antiarc | My situation is a four-guild raid alliance with 2 25-man groups, one of which heavily recruits outside of the 4 guilds. |
| 23:55.28 | Antiarc | So we have a "main" channel that is...very populated. Overly so. |
| 23:55.45 | sylvanaar | yuck |
| 23:55.48 | Antiarc | We also have role-specific channels, and raid-specific channels. |
| 23:55.49 | Sarkp | http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuit.asp?id=51340 |
| 23:56.09 | Antiarc | Basically, I need a more elegant way to categorize and manage traffic, and I'm not sure what it is. |
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| 23:57.19 | sylvanaar | oh, i remember - classchannels had the most basic problem - everyone needed to run it. to be sucessful, you have to be able to operate in a mixed environment |
| 23:57.27 | Antiarc | yeah. |
| 23:57.39 | Lunessa | Antiarc: I don't know that there's any elegant way to order/direct ansycronous chat |
| 23:57.43 | Antiarc | I could force my raid to use it easily enough, really, but something that degrades gracefully would be best. |
| 23:59.12 | Antiarc | Are chat/addon messages in WoW guaranteed to arrive in order? |
| 23:59.12 | Dashkal | Sarkp: That site just wants to sell me stuff. What are they suing over? |
| 23:59.33 | Sarkp | http://www.wow.com/2009/10/29/blizzard-files-lawsuit-against-private-server/ |
