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| 00:05.44 | Kraps | hey yall |
| 00:06.12 | Kraps | check this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqGk33RAZA8&feature=player_profilepage |
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| 00:11.14 | jnwhiteh | O.o |
| 00:11.43 | Lopeppeppy | yes? |
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| 00:12.35 | Shirik | o.O |
| 00:13.00 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR! |
| 00:13.08 | Shirik | is escared of Lopeppeppy |
| 00:13.37 | Lopeppeppy | As it should be. |
| 00:14.04 | Shirik | :( |
| 00:14.15 | Lopeppeppy | preens. |
| 00:14.26 | Lopeppeppy | I'm in a cranky mood darlin', been sick forever. I don't mean to bite. |
| 00:14.49 | Shirik | ~dict preen |
| 00:15.31 | Lopeppeppy | Dinos are related to birds. |
| 00:15.51 | Shirik | ah |
| 00:15.55 | Shirik | I was not aware of that |
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| 00:17.11 | Lopeppeppy | ... you are live in a cave? It's one of the prevailing scientific theories, that there are connections, they findeth dinos with feathers, dinos with hollow bones, etc. |
| 00:18.21 | Ginji | I don't know, do Ostrichs qualify as a bird ... |
| 00:18.31 | Lopeppeppy | No. |
| 00:18.43 | Lopeppeppy | They are mutant octopi |
| 00:18.52 | Ginji | ah |
| 00:19.13 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy |
| 00:19.18 | Lopeppeppy | yes dear? |
| 00:19.18 | Shirik | you should be aware I do in fact live in a cave |
| 00:19.22 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. |
| 00:19.28 | Lopeppeppy | That explains the hiking boots |
| 00:19.45 | ScytheBlade1 | L4D2 DEMO ACTIVE |
| 00:20.02 | Lopeppeppy | is that contagious? |
| 00:20.19 | Shirik | OMG ScytheBlade1!!! |
| 00:20.24 | Shirik | I will go back to my coding now |
| 00:20.32 | ScytheBlade1 | It should be contagious if it isn't |
| 00:20.35 | Shirik | Does there really need to be a L4D2 ? |
| 00:20.42 | Shirik | L4D didn't come out too long ago |
| 00:20.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Just barely under a year ago |
| 00:20.53 | ScytheBlade1 | nov 17th iirc |
| 00:21.45 | cogwheel | I've started calling birds dinosaurs as a rule. |
| 00:23.40 | Shirik | how do you make a sequel in less than a year? |
| 00:23.40 | Lopeppeppy | Do not ever mistakenly call me a bird, oh no. |
| 00:23.40 | Shirik | I guess you can use a lot of the same code base |
| 00:23.45 | Shirik | but if it's not going to bring anything new... |
| 00:26.15 | cogwheel | well, a lot of the engine might have been finished before the content so they could've been working on a new engine before the original came out |
| 00:26.56 | ScytheBlade1 | The /important/ part is that the server is now available for downloading |
| 00:27.02 | ScytheBlade1 | 5.54% ./left4dead2_demo\left4dead2\bin\matchmaking_ds.dll |
| 00:28.19 | TC-Away | holy crap, faxing from your computer is a serious pita |
| 00:28.42 | Arrowmaster | Thunder_Child: like with a real modem? |
| 00:28.47 | Arrowmaster | you still have one of those? |
| 00:28.49 | Thunder_Child | no without one |
| 00:28.52 | Arrowmaster | oh |
| 00:29.03 | Thunder_Child | there are virtual modem programs, but still |
| 00:29.19 | Arrowmaster | send a fax via skype |
| 00:30.00 | Lopeppeppy | If I can't email something, I'd have to go to a UPS store or Staples/Kinkos/Office Max place |
| 00:30.47 | Lopeppeppy | I would NOT screw around ripping out my hair trying to fax it from my computer. |
| 00:31.02 | Arrowmaster | i have a fax machine in here |
| 00:31.42 | Arrowmaster | i dont think it can automatically receive faxes because of the answering machine but it works for sending |
| 00:32.01 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, costs money to do it over skype |
| 00:32.08 | Arrowmaster | that was a joke |
| 00:32.13 | Thunder_Child | it exists |
| 00:32.17 | Thunder_Child | http://www.pamfax.biz/en/ |
| 00:32.20 | Arrowmaster | seriously? |
| 00:33.37 | Dagmar | People need to just stop using fax |
| 00:33.42 | Dagmar | Doing it over the internet is just sad. |
| 00:33.45 | Lopeppeppy | seriously, email an attachment |
| 00:33.54 | Arrowmaster | ok seriously is there something all these sites are using or is it just popular to ripoff that footer style? |
| 00:33.56 | NeoTron | but but fax is better |
| 00:33.56 | Thunder_Child | talk to the government |
| 00:34.01 | NeoTron | can't FAKE A fax remember |
| 00:34.08 | Dagmar | I wonder if these people buy small cars because it'll be easier for their draft horses to pull. |
| 00:34.21 | Dagmar | NeoTron: Maybe stupid people can't. |
| 00:34.30 | Arrowmaster | fax is good when you need to fax a signed document |
| 00:34.45 | Dagmar | ...and I mean cant-stop-drooling-long-enough-to-form-a-sentence stupid |
| 00:34.50 | Lopeppeppy | digital signature is where it's at. |
| 00:35.10 | Arrowmaster | i dont consider digital signature to be legally binding |
| 00:35.27 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: We've got a scanner here. It'll fax things but it'll also just cut to the chance and email the document in higher res |
| 00:35.49 | Arrowmaster | ive got a scanner but ive never used it |
| 00:35.59 | Arrowmaster | its one of those icky HP all in one printers |
| 00:36.20 | Lopeppeppy | Digital first, mail a hard copy later. |
| 00:36.47 | Arrowmaster | thats recently broken i think, the carriage keeps getting 'stuck' by being just slightly off of the return spot, and its not very old at all |
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| 00:37.29 | Shirik_ | heh, ironic |
| 00:37.37 | Shirik_ | I'm reading a page discussing how linode is being rebooted, and then I DC from IRC as if on cue |
| 00:37.58 | Dagmar | Yumm... |
| 00:38.04 | Dagmar | Much better than cabbage |
| 00:38.23 | Arrowmaster | so what printer brands dont suck? |
| 00:38.35 | Arrowmaster | or do i need to just find a color laser printer |
| 00:38.35 | Dagmar | That depends |
| 00:38.44 | Dagmar | You have that much money? |
| 00:38.53 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 00:39.13 | Dagmar | Okay then depending how cheap you wanna go, hit up Craigslist for someone else's used color inkjet. |
| 00:39.29 | Dagmar | Look at what model they have and then find out what a complete set of new ink cartridges cost |
| 00:39.30 | Arrowmaster | fuck that |
| 00:39.47 | Dagmar | I got the Lexmark Z605 I use for free |
| 00:39.52 | Dagmar | Someone was throwin' it out |
| 00:40.06 | Arrowmaster | my aunt keeps buying $50 printers every time the ink runs out, its cheaper than refills |
| 00:40.08 | Dagmar | The cartridges cost about fifty bucks a set or so |
| 00:40.22 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Have her buy a set of new cartridges then |
| 00:40.31 | Dagmar | Most of the time the "starter" cartridges are only half full |
| 00:41.05 | Dagmar | ...although as long as her requirement for colors is just "close" there's some refill kits you can get cheaper, although they look like some kind of Strawberry Shortcake heroin kit |
| 00:41.20 | Arrowmaster | she was getting something that was coming with a free set of extra cartrages besides the starter ones |
| 00:41.21 | Dagmar | They make the CPP really low |
| 00:41.32 | Dagmar | Ah well in that case more power to her |
| 00:41.57 | Arrowmaster | weve done the refile stuff before with a previous printer |
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| 00:42.18 | Shirik | !quote PRIVMSG #wowuidev :ping |
| 00:42.19 | batbot | Shirik, privmsg has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 00:42.23 | Shirik | yeah |
| 00:42.25 | Shirik | gtfo Shiibot |
| 00:42.33 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. |
| 00:42.35 | Arrowmaster | an epson, most recent two have been HP's that are fucking slow |
| 00:44.55 | Shirik | JobID: 1505534 - Host initiated restart |
| 00:44.56 | Shirik | Job Entered01/04/1974 05:00:00 AM |
| 00:45.01 | Shirik | something tells me that date is wrong |
| 00:45.01 | Dagmar | The thing I do like about color inkjets tho is that the alternative which doesn't involve replacing the print heads frequently would be worse |
| 00:45.05 | Shirik | unless my server is really, really old |
| 00:45.07 | Lopeppeppy | you think? |
| 00:45.15 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the epoch of caker |
| 00:45.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Your host went down or something |
| 00:45.39 | Dagmar | WTF is with Jan 4th tho |
| 00:45.50 | ScytheBlade1 | caker = a person |
| 00:46.01 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: All linodes went down |
| 00:46.04 | Shirik | which is what caused me to lol @ mibbit |
| 00:46.18 | Shirik | I found out just recently that mibbit is entirely run on linode |
| 00:46.29 | Shirik | and they were QQing about how their nodes were down for like 2-3 hours |
| 00:46.32 | ScytheBlade1 | lol really? |
| 00:46.33 | ScytheBlade1 | gg |
| 00:46.56 | Shirik | all their nodes are in the same datacenter.... I don't get it ... |
| 00:46.56 | ajmitch | not quite all, but enough for people to notice |
| 00:47.07 | Shirik | hm? Not what the mibbit admin seemed to show |
| 00:47.16 | Shirik | unless his graphs are broken |
| 00:47.25 | ajmitch | maybe all his ones are in the same DC |
| 00:47.37 | ajmitch | but I've got 1 that wasn't rebooted |
| 00:48.07 | Shirik | you talking about Linode or Mibbit? |
| 00:48.12 | ajmitch | linode |
| 00:48.17 | Shirik | it will probably be rebooted soon :P |
| 00:48.21 | ajmitch | probably |
| 00:48.32 | Shirik | I thought I was immune to it until a few minutes ago :) |
| 00:48.42 | Shirik | I think someone's going to get a beating over this |
| 00:48.57 | Dagmar | Nah |
| 00:49.02 | Arrowmaster | wonder why they have to reboot all of them |
| 00:49.03 | Lopeppeppy | beatings? |
| 00:49.04 | Lopeppeppy | where? |
| 00:49.06 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm? |
| 00:49.09 | ajmitch | whichever support monkey was updating shared libraries on the hosts |
| 00:49.20 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Someone decided to send out shared libraries to all the host all at once |
| 00:49.24 | Shirik | and then everything broke |
| 00:49.28 | Shirik | updated shared libraies* |
| 00:49.48 | Arrowmaster | why fix what isnt broken? |
| 00:50.04 | ajmitch | newer version was shinier? |
| 00:50.13 | Shirik | some people didn't notice anything wrong, some people got simple errors that were taking down the node, and some people just couldn't boot at all |
| 00:50.17 | Dagmar | Because it might actually be broken and you just don't know it yet |
| 00:50.19 | Arrowmaster | they use xen dont they? |
| 00:50.22 | Shirik | yes |
| 00:50.31 | Arrowmaster | didnt think their hosts did much other than act as hosts |
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| 00:51.14 | Shirik | During a shared library update distributed to our hosts, a number of the hosts incorrectly have marked Linodes as being shut down. To recover from this we may be issuing host reboots to upgrade their software to our latest stack, and then bringing the Linodes to their last state. We're working on this now and expect to have additional updates shortly. We'll also be notifying those affected via our support ticket s |
| 00:51.17 | Shirik | That's their notice |
| 00:52.09 | Dagmar | So, their matrix of whose hosts were supposed to be up or not ate it? |
| 00:52.17 | Dagmar | Odd. |
| 00:52.29 | ajmitch | which doesn't explain why they need to reboot hosts |
| 00:53.10 | Lopeppeppy | for fun |
| 00:53.28 | Shirik | hmmm |
| 00:53.33 | Shirik | my linode is actually having trouble coming back up |
| 00:53.50 | ajmitch | looks like mine went down about 3 minutes ago |
| 00:56.07 | ScytheBlade1 | both of mine are working great |
| 00:56.09 | ScytheBlade1 | suckers |
| 00:57.04 | Shirik | not for long :3 |
| 00:57.16 | Shirik | mine's back up anyway |
| 00:57.20 | Shirik | though mysql failed to start |
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| 00:57.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Mine are in atlanta and dallas |
| 00:57.59 | Shirik | atlanta here |
| 00:58.22 | Shirik | Experience is something you don't get until just after you need it. |
| 00:58.27 | Shirik | ^ awesome fortune |
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| 01:02.07 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 :( |
| 01:02.07 | Shirik | hal |
| 01:02.08 | Shirik | p |
| 01:02.21 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 01:02.26 | Shirik | I run `/etc/init.d/mysql start` and it just goes "k" and returns instantly |
| 01:02.30 | Shirik | it doesn't actually DO anything |
| 01:02.39 | ScytheBlade1 | check your logs |
| 01:02.40 | ajmitch | pid file still there? |
| 01:02.44 | Shirik | If I run `/etc/init.d/mysql stop` it just yells at me because it hasn't started |
| 01:02.51 | Shirik | I'm checking my logs, tkaing forever to open lol |
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| 01:03.58 | TC-Away | stupid power failure |
| 01:07.11 | Shirik | yeah it was the pid file |
| 01:07.19 | Shirik | gah wtf * MySQL NOT started (0) [ !! ] |
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| 01:07.54 | Dagmar | WTf is with the KDE people |
| 01:08.11 | Dagmar | This _has_ to be some bug. I can't believe they designed it to do this |
| 01:08.56 | Dagmar | Default install of Slackware that I think I used for about five hours total. I let KDE do it's thing. I have a ~dagmar/.local directory with 140M of what looks like MySQL database stuff in it |
| 01:09.07 | Dagmar | How high _were_ they when they specced out KDE4 |
| 01:09.17 | ajmitch | Dagmar: using amarok? |
| 01:09.36 | Dagmar | No actually |
| 01:09.41 | Shirik | gah, finally got it up |
| 01:09.44 | Shirik | stabs mysql |
| 01:09.53 | Shirik | innodb was freaking out |
| 01:10.00 | Dagmar | I literally used it only two evenings, mainly for browsing the web while I made notes on paper |
| 01:10.03 | ajmitch | that's the desktop app that I know of that decides it needs a full database |
| 01:10.17 | Dagmar | This was apparently created by Akonadi |
| 01:10.21 | ajmitch | probably some desktop indexing thing |
| 01:10.37 | Dagmar | Yeah but one hundred and forty megabytes? |
| 01:10.54 | ajmitch | ~/.beagle or ~/.tracker used to get pretty massive |
| 01:11.09 | Dagmar | ajmitch: Used for two evenings. |
| 01:11.20 | ajmitch | yes, it is on crack |
| 01:11.23 | Dagmar | I could understand if I had all of my disks mounted |
| 01:11.49 | Dagmar | It could spend _days_ poring over what's in /space, because that's a tarball dump of about 45Gb of tarballs |
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| 01:21.46 | cogwheel | "I should get an x-ray app for my phone so i can search for pink starburst" |
| 01:23.21 | Dagmar | Spoof it |
| 01:23.42 | Dagmar | Absolutely there's people who will believe you've written an iPhone app that can use the camera as an x-ray filter |
| 01:24.38 | Ginji | Lucky for me I'm still wearing my tinfoil hat! |
| 01:24.52 | Dagmar | Yes, heaven forbid someone see your shiny scalp |
| 01:25.21 | Dagmar | They frown on me perpetrating hoaxes while I'm at work. |
| 01:25.52 | Ginji | My chrome dome is something worth protecting |
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| 01:38.42 | Shirik | crap |
| 01:38.51 | Shirik | I'm sitting here like "gah why is it taking so long for JIRA/Fisheye/Bamboo to log me in..." |
| 01:39.03 | Shirik | I never started up the login server |
| 01:39.09 | Shirik | epic failure |
| 01:39.59 | Corrodias | sigh, i didn't realize my router was vulnerable because i misread the security bulletin thingy... so i updated it all properly, but now i have to go reset my 40 important passwords. AGAIN. |
| 01:40.30 | Corrodias | somebody should just beat me with a bat. |
| 01:40.35 | Shirik | ~beat Corrodias |
| 01:40.36 | purl | ACTION relentlessly beats Corrodias over the head with a Louisville Slugger |
| 01:40.43 | Corrodias | thank you. |
| 01:40.44 | Shirik | oh, wow, how perfect |
| 01:40.59 | Shirik | ~literal CMD: beat (.*?) |
| 01:41.00 | purl | "cmd: beat (.*?)" is "($1): <action> ( beats $1 with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish|relentlessly beats $1 over the head with a Louisville Slugger|beats $1 with a very wet, sticky noodle)" |
| 01:41.06 | Shirik | out of all the choices |
| 01:41.08 | Shirik | picked the right one :D |
| 01:41.11 | Corrodias | i spent like 3 hours coming up with good passwords for all this crap |
| 01:41.31 | Corrodias | and for all i know, they could have been delivered straight into a router-hosted sniffer's hands. |
| 01:41.50 | harl | oO |
| 01:42.18 | Corrodias | well, not my windows account's, but the rest, yes |
| 01:43.31 | harl | aw.. |
| 01:45.37 | Shirik | Is there a sysrq to kill a process? |
| 01:45.45 | Corrodias | i won't feel better until i change them, so whatever. |
| 01:46.02 | Shirik | sysrq f, perfect |
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| 01:50.41 | kd3 | gasp; other wow ui people are actually on wave |
| 01:50.55 | kd3 | still is trying to figure out what the hell to do with it |
| 01:50.57 | Ginji | Corrodias: just use a password generator? |
| 01:51.09 | WobWork | kd3: similarly |
| 01:51.16 | Corrodias | i could, but it's handy to be able to remember a few |
| 01:51.24 | Kraps | Sacred Shield can now only occur every 30 sec. (Up from 6 sec) |
| 01:51.26 | Shirik | I has wave kd3! |
| 01:51.31 | Ginji | Then get one that uses phonetics |
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| 01:51.37 | Hirsute-Away | is still waiting for his wave invitation |
| 01:51.49 | Corrodias | hmm, never thought of something like that |
| 01:51.53 | Kraps | Character Race Change now Available |
| 01:52.06 | WobWork | Shirik: You're totally not in this thread, shirik, what's your googlewave account? |
| 01:52.29 | Shirik | tg.skullshot, why don't people know these things |
| 01:52.31 | Shirik | it's not like I hide them |
| 01:52.50 | Shirik | Ok, I think... my swap drive.... disappeared |
| 01:53.08 | Shirik | wtf |
| 01:53.17 | Shirik | ajmitch you said you have linode? |
| 01:53.32 | ajmitch | yeah |
| 01:53.39 | Shirik | Do you have a swap partition? |
| 01:53.59 | ajmitch | yes, and it appeared to come back |
| 01:54.03 | Shirik | I just killed my box almost |
| 01:54.13 | Shirik | had to resort to sysrq+f to gain control over it again |
| 01:54.18 | Shirik | and looked why and there's no swap |
| 01:54.21 | Shirik | but it's in my linode dashboard |
| 01:54.27 | Shirik | what's the device? /dev/xvdb? |
| 01:54.30 | ajmitch | might have been corrupted |
| 01:54.33 | kd3 | make sure it's in your fstab? |
| 01:54.39 | Shirik | it's in my fstab as /dev/xvdb |
| 01:54.42 | ajmitch | that's what I have |
| 01:54.43 | Shirik | but that doesn't exist |
| 01:54.44 | Shirik | at all |
| 01:54.51 | Shirik | only /dev/xvda exists |
| 01:55.10 | Shirik | blah, guess I have to send in a ticket |
| 01:55.24 | ajmitch | yeah, #linode on oftc has been fun today |
| 01:55.36 | ajmitch | there are a few people still with problems |
| 01:57.43 | Shirik | I <3 the magic sysrq key though |
| 01:57.46 | Shirik | it solves everything |
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| 02:08.15 | Thunder_Child | "Players can join as individuals, as a full group, or a partial group to look for additional party members. " uhhh...if it is a full group why are you looking for more members? |
| 02:09.00 | kd3 | there's three options there |
| 02:09.11 | kd3 | 1) individuals, 2) full group, 3) LFM |
| 02:09.56 | Thunder_Child | how is 1 different from 3 then? |
| 02:09.58 | Dagmar | I don't get that myself, although I do occasionally see people doing it (sitting in LFG while their group is full) |
| 02:10.22 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: You might actually have someone that plays with you |
| 02:10.22 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, thats forgetting to remove themselvs |
| 02:10.22 | kd3 | 1 is you joining a group by yourself, 3 is a group of 4 looking for a fifth |
| 02:10.36 | kd3 | 2 is a group queueing for a random dungeon so they get their bonus rewards for the day |
| 02:10.41 | Dagmar | I'm going to go out on a limb an assume they do it to be looking in advance becuase you're either about to lose someone, or you're about to punt someone |
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| 02:20.02 | WobWork | hm |
| 02:20.08 | WobWork | EHPS 985 |
| 02:20.41 | kd3 | har |
| 02:20.43 | kd3 | +--For now we only have 1 dungeon alert frame. If you're completing more than one dungeon within ~5 seconds, tough luck. |
| 02:21.25 | WobWork | er 895 |
| 02:21.55 | Dagmar | They should have said "If you're completeing more than one dungeon within ~5 seconds, mail the shirt back." |
| 02:22.11 | Kraps | "As part of the matchmaking system, some of the more difficult dungeons will have a minimum gear requirement." dayyyyyum |
| 02:22.49 | Kraps | theres also a vote kick feature |
| 02:23.08 | kd3 | vote kick's been in for a few builds; is it finally in the patch notes? |
| 02:23.11 | Dagmar | There'll surely be people who'll show up to random heroics wearing utter crap otherwise |
| 02:23.19 | kd3 | looks like they finally implemented lfd rewards |
| 02:23.24 | kd3 | and maybe lfr too...? |
| 02:23.31 | Kraps | Players who leave the group prematurely are subject to a Deserter debuff preventing them from using the Dungeon System tool for 15 minutes. |
| 02:23.31 | Dagmar | kd3: on the PTr only tho right? |
| 02:23.35 | Kraps | harsh |
| 02:23.44 | kd3 | yes, only on the ptr |
| 02:23.45 | WobWork | yeah |
| 02:23.47 | WobWork | 15min |
| 02:23.57 | ajmitch | does it say how the minimum gear requirement will work at all? |
| 02:24.03 | Dagmar | It's only a matter of time before some people figure out they can use LFD to grief others whose gear doesn't meet their expectations |
| 02:24.30 | ajmitch | has a fresh 80 that probably wouldn't meet a few group's gear requirements |
| 02:24.45 | WobWork | the gear levels would be LFD based |
| 02:24.48 | WobWork | not user based |
| 02:25.06 | WobWork | ie, I doubt you'll be able to say "I only want people with an average ilvl of 223" |
| 02:25.30 | WobWork | but that might be the requirement for a heroic IC instance |
| 02:25.35 | ajmitch | I doubt it'll match people to one of the new 5-man heroic randomly if they're in half blue gear |
| 02:25.44 | Dagmar | argh what was that addon that relays people's gear info again? |
| 02:25.46 | WobWork | ajmitch: well that's fine |
| 02:25.56 | ajmitch | Dagmar: gearscore |
| 02:26.06 | Dagmar | Thanks |
| 02:26.08 | kd3 | shock |
| 02:26.15 | kd3 | actually got an email out before the servers came back up |
| 02:26.19 | kd3 | that's a first in a while |
| 02:26.35 | ajmitch | an addon that's been overused a lot on the server I'm on, and gets mocked on the forums |
| 02:26.36 | Dagmar | Someone told me last week, and I wound up getting royally hammered this weekend and spent about a half hour (I *think*) looking into spoofing |
| 02:27.11 | Dagmar | ...then I got distracted selecting what I'd like to spoof. |
| 02:27.13 | ajmitch | somehow I saw a level 85 hunter in LFG once, not sure how they'd get that info in there |
| 02:27.35 | Dagmar | SQL haxors |
| 02:27.38 | Dagmar | heh |
| 02:27.55 | ajmitch | I should have taken a screenshot of it, I only noticed the 85 because something else was strange on it |
| 02:28.25 | Dagmar | Their name was in Comic Sans? |
| 02:28.46 | ajmitch | heh |
| 02:28.47 | ajmitch | no |
| 02:29.11 | ajmitch | I think it was listing them as a tank or healer |
| 02:29.38 | Kraps | is the wotf change really that bad? |
| 02:30.00 | WobWork | hehe |
| 02:30.01 | WobWork | http://www.wowmeteronline.com/combat/detail/241219539#healingtaken |
| 02:30.13 | WobWork | the pie graph is ridiculously pretty |
| 02:30.29 | WobWork | kinda impressive about how many different types of heals there are |
| 02:30.58 | Dagmar | That's gotta be from a BG |
| 02:31.24 | WobWork | nah, U25 |
| 02:31.31 | WobWork | MT =) |
| 02:32.03 | WobWork | priest/shammy/druid healing |
| 02:32.47 | WobWork | probably due to the fact we had no healing assignments |
| 02:32.57 | WobWork | not sure why we didn't bother |
| 02:33.29 | WobWork | <-- snuupy |
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| 02:37.47 | cogwheel | anyone know if there's an archive of the original forums? |
| 02:37.55 | bleeter | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEubt6HpGhs |
| 02:39.20 | bleeter | ^^ proof that keanu reeves is immortal |
| 02:39.49 | WobWork | zomg jesus =P |
| 02:43.16 | WobWork | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/12/microsoft_and_google_without_chillers/ |
| 02:43.38 | WobWork | you have to wonder how many Sekrit Data Centres Google has |
| 02:44.00 | WobWork | and whether they store like the Stonemason's data there |
| 02:44.55 | bleeter | WobWork: I got that from @ChasLicc, is worth the pain and account and social stigma for following on Twitter (him of Teh Chaser) |
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| 02:45.45 | WobWork | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/27/china_peoples_daily_google_censorship_accusation/ |
| 02:46.08 | WobWork | bleeter: I'll stick to following @amandapalmer and @neilhimself |
| 02:46.32 | bleeter | WobWork: @warlach's pretty good |
| 02:50.07 | bleeter | must say, @eddieizzard's far more boring than i expected |
| 02:50.56 | WobWork | that's disappointing |
| 02:51.17 | WobWork | I guess a lot of his humour requires the physical component |
| 02:52.44 | Kraps | http://www.backhandofjustice.com/why-is-world-of-warcraft-still-growing/ |
| 02:52.49 | bleeter | he mostly tweets about tickets n gigs |
| 02:52.55 | WobWork | how does one know if one has Wave invites available |
| 02:53.05 | WobWork | heh |
| 02:53.11 | WobWork | Amanda Palmer doesn't shut up =) |
| 02:53.20 | Hirsute-Away | I don't think they're allowing users to invite others right now |
| 02:53.55 | WobWork | Hirsute-Away: From the previous...er... Tide, they did |
| 02:53.59 | WobWork | that's how I got my invite |
| 02:54.32 | Hirsute-Away | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:56.06 | bleeter | Kraps: seriously good article |
| 02:56.06 | WobWork | hm, interesting |
| 02:56.13 | WobWork | agrees with bleeter |
| 02:56.24 | WobWork | very true too |
| 02:56.33 | WobWork | the only thing that can 'kill' wow, is wow itself |
| 02:57.29 | WobWork | unfortunately at the moment, to maintain the userbase, they have to offer more content, like Caty |
| 02:57.37 | WobWork | but I don't think caty will come soon enough |
| 02:58.08 | WobWork | releasing end game raids/instances is well and good, but it doesn't encourage new players, or current players to invite new ones |
| 02:59.20 | Kraps | what the hell? http://buffd.net/ |
| 02:59.50 | bleeter | the one thing the article doesn't mention is Bioware and LucasArts, I'm still wedded to the belief that it's the one large IP franchise that near everyone on the planet knows, thus could seriously either dent, or compete, with WoW at launch. Interesting times to come. |
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| 02:59.57 | WobWork | Kraps: is that like WoW Digg? |
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| 03:00.16 | Kraps | WobWork: yeah but i dont see anything |
| 03:00.32 | WobWork | bleeter: The launch would have to be something -special- |
| 03:00.45 | WobWork | and the content would have to be enticing enough for people to continue playing |
| 03:00.54 | WobWork | and they'd have to time it well with WoW 4.0 |
| 03:01.09 | WobWork | so they don't get the sudden influx, then lose them all again |
| 03:01.22 | bleeter | WobWork: Im not conviced that the timing's that much of an issue, given IP brand awareness |
| 03:01.50 | WobWork | They'd have to basically be so interesting to play, that WoW Caty becomes the "Eh, I might log in to see what's changed" game |
| 03:01.54 | bleeter | timing implies shared customer base, while I admit there'll be some, there's enough folks who don't play wow who will be interested in star wars to create significant playerbase |
| 03:02.19 | WobWork | Star Wars, is inherently "geekier" than wow |
| 03:02.30 | WobWork | so may not have the pool of casusal players |
| 03:02.50 | bleeter | did you see that wordmap from librarything.com about the differences between geek and nerd? i thinkg they're both nerd :P |
| 03:03.38 | WobWork | bleeter: to a certain degree |
| 03:03.43 | WobWork | but WoW is still more noob friendly |
| 03:04.05 | WobWork | because it doesn't quite have the same stigma as star wars |
| 03:04.15 | bleeter | it's hard to say how noob friendly Bioware will make their SW |
| 03:04.38 | bleeter | just guessing |
| 03:04.40 | Arrowmaster | SWTOR isnt even in closed alpha yet, just internal alpha |
| 03:04.46 | bleeter | yeah |
| 03:04.55 | Arrowmaster | it wont likely end up coming out before cat |
| 03:04.56 | WobWork | if they cater to casuals, you'll hear the cries of dismay from the hard cores going "Jedi don't -act- that way!" |
| 03:05.02 | bleeter | it's not public beta so can't make any judgements |
| 03:05.16 | Dagmar | WobWork: You know what? F*CK those people. |
| 03:05.42 | Arrowmaster | were there even any indications that jedi's would be playable? |
| 03:05.46 | Dagmar | WobWork: They didn't say a DAMN thing when Sony decided to free up the lore pieces of the lightsaber quest to be tradeable, and immediately farmed by the chinese |
| 03:05.47 | WobWork | Dagmar: And there are more of those in the SW fandom than the WoW fandom |
| 03:05.55 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: That was just a random example |
| 03:06.11 | WobWork | Star Wars has a long history of lore |
| 03:06.21 | WobWork | that the hard core fans know -every single detail- |
| 03:06.28 | Dagmar | WobWork: They should get out more |
| 03:06.42 | WobWork | Dagmar: how many hours of WoW did you play this week? =) |
| 03:06.51 | Dagmar | Two I think |
| 03:06.59 | WobWork | You're doing well! casually! |
| 03:06.59 | Kandoko | Will Star wars fans who have bitter exp from the sony debacle avoid the new one? |
| 03:07.05 | Arrowmaster | since by starwars lore any jedi should be able to wipe the floor with a small number of non jedi, and ive heard quite a few different classes, i doubt there will be jedi if it hasnt been annouced yet |
| 03:07.10 | WobWork | Kandoko: I figure they'd give it a go |
| 03:07.13 | WobWork | cause they -want- the game |
| 03:07.33 | WobWork | else, they want something to complain about =) |
| 03:07.37 | Dagmar | Jedi were also supposed to have been a special destiny casae |
| 03:07.55 | Dagmar | The "hardcore" players pitched a fit when it was found out originally that some people couldn't ever be jedi |
| 03:08.12 | Corrodias | Arrowmaster: it sort of depends on what particular portion of the star wars continuity you subscribe to |
| 03:08.15 | WobWork | Dagmar: it's their ultimate dream, no? =) |
| 03:08.17 | Dagmar | You should just take the word "hardcore" and replace it with "loud-mouthed" for most of these cases |
| 03:08.24 | Corrodias | in the original movies, the jedi weren't even all that powerful |
| 03:08.33 | Corrodias | in Force Unleashed, they're ridiculous |
| 03:08.41 | Arrowmaster | this is old republic |
| 03:08.51 | Arrowmaster | they're rediculous |
| 03:08.56 | Corrodias | and... i have no idea how they'd compare to other people. |
| 03:09.02 | Adys | Disney âBaby Einsteinâ DVD to be refunded for harming childrenâs learning abilities |
| 03:09.06 | Corrodias | in KotOR, they certainly were |
| 03:09.19 | Dagmar | You're kidding |
| 03:09.26 | WobWork | Adys: 'harming'? |
| 03:09.33 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/10/disney-baby-einstein-dvd-refunded-harming-childrens-learning-abilities/ |
| 03:10.28 | Corrodias | typical british sensationalist title |
| 03:10.56 | Corrodias | it'd be more accurate to say "for not being very effective", according to the actual text. |
| 03:10.57 | Adys | love it |
| 03:11.14 | Dagmar | I wasn't aware they ever made a claim it would make babies smarter |
| 03:11.24 | Dagmar | Must have been something they thought only you limeys would fall for |
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| 03:11.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Well that was fun |
| 03:12.26 | WobWork | Dagmar: "Now Disney is offering to refund all purchases made in US" |
| 03:12.34 | Arrowmaster | your host mask indicates an smtp server to attack |
| 03:12.44 | Adys | http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1420625&cid=29892239 |
| 03:13.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: have at it |
| 03:13.12 | kd3 | adys; lol |
| 03:14.00 | WobWork | oh man /. |
| 03:14.04 | WobWork | I've not read it for ages |
| 03:15.17 | Shirik | ajmitch... |
| 03:15.21 | Shirik | I don't know wtf they did but they got it to work |
| 03:15.29 | Shirik | they told me to run this command "mknod" that now scares the hell out of me |
| 03:15.35 | Dagmar | It is altogether possible that I read exactly zero anything that is targeted at parents or prospective parents. |
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| 03:15.48 | kd3 | mknod's just creating a file with special flags set on it |
| 03:15.51 | ajmitch | mknod just makes the device node |
| 03:15.51 | Adys | "We're starting to make signifigant money off of Youtube" -- Google CEO Eric Schmidt, October 25th 2009 |
| 03:15.58 | Shirik | still it sounds really strange |
| 03:16.02 | Shirik | I literally just created a device |
| 03:16.08 | Dagmar | Shirik: It's where /dev/null comes from |
| 03:16.10 | kd3 | all devices are files in unix |
| 03:16.15 | Shirik | yes |
| 03:16.21 | Shirik | but like, wtf >< |
| 03:16.25 | ajmitch | it's something that something like udev should handle on a regular system |
| 03:16.25 | Arrowmaster | more like you created a file that points to a specific device location |
| 03:16.34 | kd3 | just, "special" files. |
| 03:16.50 | Dagmar | Look when you open() a file you're normally going after a file descriptor, right? And that's tied to the filesystem driver, right? |
| 03:17.12 | Dagmar | All this does is when you open a device node, the kernel goes and directs those calls to somewhere that isn't the ext3 handler or whatever |
| 03:17.20 | Dagmar | It's acutally a lot less complex under the hood than you'd think. |
| 03:17.38 | Adys | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/blogspot/MKuf/~3/yAf2cstgQvY/similar-images-graduates-from-google.html |
| 03:17.50 | Dagmar | ...and also has the benefit of being very obvious and avoiding lulz-making issues like DCC SEND clock$ 126648172134 |
| 03:18.33 | Arrowmaster | what does that work on? |
| 03:18.46 | Dagmar | There's very possibly still a few special device names in XP just waiting for exploitation |
| 03:19.03 | Dagmar | Lord knows we beat up enough mIRC kids with 'em |
| 03:19.04 | ajmitch | but no longer any c:\con\con to bsod windows |
| 03:19.14 | kd3 | whee, memories |
| 03:19.25 | bleeter | weirdos |
| 03:19.35 | Dagmar | No it was actually pretty hilarious |
| 03:19.37 | kd3 | and entirely-too-breakable lifelines to the internet |
| 03:19.38 | ajmitch | having that as the img src attribute in an html page was a good way to use it |
| 03:19.53 | Dagmar | yep. Wheee! |
| 03:20.14 | Adys | Any 3d/game dev around? |
| 03:20.33 | Arrowmaster | i remember somebody complaining on the wow forums that they made a character on their mac but after some time they started playing on a pc and could never get any saved vars because the characters name was a reserved special device name |
| 03:21.19 | Dagmar | Wow that's actually a good troll |
| 03:21.25 | Torhal | Heh |
| 03:21.38 | Arrowmaster | it wasnt a troll, they were trying to get a gm to rename them |
| 03:22.04 | Dagmar | Damn. Here I was thinking there might actually be someone with the requisite skill to troll "properly" nowadays |
| 03:22.22 | ajmitch | a special device name that's a valid wow character name? |
| 03:22.49 | Dagmar | There were a couple that didn't involve $ or numbers |
| 03:22.53 | Dagmar | AUX being one |
| 03:23.06 | ckknight | that seems ... silly |
| 03:23.14 | ckknight | on NTFS' part |
| 03:23.18 | Dagmar | NUL, PRN |
| 03:23.31 | Arrowmaster | i think it was AUX |
| 03:23.34 | Dagmar | All of them were great for lulz |
| 03:23.34 | ajmitch | I didn't realise they were still valid on NT/XP |
| 03:23.35 | Adys | prn is reserved? |
| 03:23.44 | Dagmar | Yep. Used to be the printer device |
| 03:23.49 | Adys | is that like a special ntfs-porn folder? |
| 03:23.57 | Dagmar | ...although "reserved" is putting too strong a meaning to it. |
| 03:24.08 | Adys | and er |
| 03:24.13 | Dagmar | It was more like "If you write to this, you'd better be ready for the consequences" |
| 03:24.17 | Adys | why is the actual name reserved? |
| 03:24.20 | Adys | you'd think its the path |
| 03:24.24 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 03:24.31 | Adys | that's messed up |
| 03:24.33 | Dagmar | If you opened just 'PRN' for writing, it would go to the printer |
| 03:24.34 | kd3 | windows? make sense? |
| 03:24.41 | kd3 | inconceivable |
| 03:25.04 | Dagmar | Apparently some of thse things are still boned |
| 03:25.24 | ajmitch | probably to support 1 or 2 esoteric apps |
| 03:25.37 | Dagmar | I see a bug report on ColdFusion warning about putting NUL, COM1-3, LPT1-2, PRN, and AUX in URLs |
| 03:26.07 | Kraps | is the ptr down? |
| 03:26.12 | kd3 | yar |
| 03:26.16 | Arrowmaster | its old dos leftovers |
| 03:26.24 | Dagmar | The solution: "configure URLScan to prohibit DOS reserved filenames" |
| 03:26.29 | Arrowmaster | try and see if those are still reserved on vista or w7 |
| 03:26.33 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 03:26.37 | ScytheBlade1 | l4d2 server up and running |
| 03:26.38 | ajmitch | sure, which is why I was surprised that they stuck around |
| 03:26.39 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I f**king hope not |
| 03:26.41 | kd3 | 22:26:15> kd3: actually got an email out before the servers came back up |
| 03:27.12 | Dagmar | Someone was showing me some ugly race condition stuff with the POSIX module about a year ago that's still not fixed |
| 03:28.05 | Dagmar | He'd found a way to regularly race the two filename systems and win every time |
| 03:28.12 | Dagmar | ...which leads to a pretty brutal local DOS |
| 03:28.14 | Dagmar | er DoS |
| 03:28.23 | Corrodias | hm. can't change my password on d2.net's auction site |
| 03:29.04 | Corrodias | i can verify that CON still exists in win7, and i imagine the others do as well |
| 03:29.25 | Dagmar | Jesus |
| 03:29.52 | Dagmar | So open up notepad and save a file named 'CLOCK$'. |
| 03:30.05 | Corrodias | i'd rather not, without knowing the potential implications |
| 03:30.12 | Dagmar | Let's find out what happens on your machine where it can't hurt anyoner |
| 03:30.15 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 03:30.33 | Dagmar | Meh the worst I ever saw it do was blow up someone's CMOS settings |
| 03:30.43 | Dagmar | ...and his board was defective in the first place. |
| 03:30.50 | kd3 | rofl |
| 03:30.56 | Dagmar | At most it should screw up someone's clock and cause a bluescreen |
| 03:31.03 | Corrodias | lol |
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| 03:31.39 | Dagmar | I guess if they're still supporting that then I'm just going to write off the Windows 7 clock ever being right. |
| 03:32.09 | Dagmar | They've been storing the time in CMOS in localtime forever now, claiming "DOS Compatibility" being the reason, since shitty DOS apps presume the system clock is in local timezone |
| 03:32.31 | Dagmar | They were promising this would not be the case with W7. |
| 03:32.38 | Arrowmaster | they might just block the names being used for legacy reasons but not do anything with them anymore |
| 03:32.38 | Dagmar | ...because it's a stupid thing to do. |
| 03:33.05 | Dagmar | You know, the next time I talk to an engineer from MS, I should just follow my instincts. |
| 03:33.17 | Dagmar | I'll ask them a question just to be nice, and then punch them in the face for lying to me. |
| 03:33.17 | Arrowmaster | and bitch slap him? |
| 03:34.17 | Arrowmaster | so i installed linux in virtualbox, found out the hard way i need to tell the installer the system clock is set to local time |
| 03:34.24 | Dagmar | Actually, if the new WINE build works okay I may just send them back my licence for W7 |
| 03:34.52 | Corrodias | CON works |
| 03:34.58 | Corrodias | i don't know about CLOCK$ or anything else |
| 03:35.07 | Corrodias | (as in, "type con" echos console input until exited) |
| 03:35.12 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Yeah, because Windows uses it to f**k with people who are dual-booting |
| 03:35.17 | Thrae | Dagmar: Mainly need your WoW fix, eh? |
| 03:35.29 | Dagmar | In a s-a-n-e world, everyone would store the freaking UTC time in CMOS. |
| 03:35.35 | Dagmar | Thrae: Pretty much |
| 03:35.49 | Corrodias | no way, we'd use GMT! because it's backward compatible! :V |
| 03:35.52 | Dagmar | It, Champions Online, and NWN2 is about all I play anymore |
| 03:35.56 | Arrowmaster | im guessing theres a way to change it to the vm using utc |
| 03:36.14 | Arrowmaster | but its not in the gui |
| 03:36.16 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Probably not, but thta's okay because Linux has gotten used to it |
| 03:36.26 | Dagmar | Dig around for where it calls hwclock in the init scripts. |
| 03:36.29 | Thrae | If I didn't work in IT, I might go full Linux. |
| 03:36.43 | Dagmar | There's a flag that tells it whether the clock is in UTC or if the machine is hobbled with a windows install somewhere |
| 03:37.36 | Arrowmaster | yeah in /etc/default/rcS for debian |
| 03:37.47 | Dagmar | The virtualized hardware clock on your VM is likely to match (at least on startup) the clock in your actual host |
| 03:38.11 | Arrowmaster | also the same directory to look in for making cups stop loading the lpr module when your computer doesnt have a parallel port |
| 03:38.26 | Dagmar | Either way it's probably time Microsoft stopped pretending they're sticking with localtime in the CMOS just to fuck with dual-booters. |
| 03:38.28 | Arrowmaster | host is utc |
| 03:39.16 | Arrowmaster | but they have to keep it legacy for dual booting older versions of windows like vista and xp |
| 03:39.29 | Dagmar | They can go f**k themselves with that |
| 03:40.13 | Arrowmaster | they have a registry setting to indicate the clock is in utc but its not checked soon enough so its buggy |
| 03:40.53 | Dagmar | Oh so it's as half-assed as their attetmpt at fixing it for NT2k and XP then |
| 03:42.10 | Dagmar | You can poke the same registry setting in 2k3 and XP as you could in NT4 where it *DID* work, and it would "mostly" work, but every so often your clock would just wind up wildly off the mark |
| 03:43.27 | Dagmar | Holy crap you're not just yanking my chain |
| 03:43.27 | Dagmar | http://www.windows7taskforce.com/view/2436# |
| 03:43.53 | Arrowmaster | oh i was talking about xp |
| 03:44.07 | Arrowmaster | i didnt know if it was still in 7 or if it was fixed or broken |
| 03:45.05 | Dagmar | No it's knackered in Xp. I had it set for about a year before I had enough grief from it to turn it back off again |
| 03:45.26 | Dagmar | I do believe I will just punch the next MS rep who talks to me at a trade show right in his lying face now tho'. |
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| 03:46.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: well that was poorly timed.. right as you mentioned the linode stuff, mine goes poof |
| 03:46.32 | Shirik | told you :P |
| 03:46.54 | Arrowmaster | theres no timezone stored in file dates in zip archives right? was trying to remember the different things that always fail on DST |
| 03:47.06 | ScytheBlade1 | They're both back though |
| 03:47.12 | ScytheBlade1 | One of which is hosting an l4d2 server already! |
| 03:47.13 | Shirik | yeah mine's back too |
| 03:47.17 | Shirik | lol. |
| 03:47.54 | kd3 | arrow; zips preserve file modification time afaik as the unix epoch |
| 03:49.50 | Arrowmaster | smb doesnt though right? |
| 03:50.06 | Arrowmaster | i think i remember lots of grief with smb |
| 03:50.36 | ScytheBlade1 | smb is ignorant of that stuff |
| 03:50.48 | ScytheBlade1 | It'll obey a "set it to" command though |
| 03:51.05 | Arrowmaster | honestly i dont remember what used to drive me insane always being 1 hour off and giving me warnings when asking me to overwrite files |
| 03:54.23 | Torhal | Timestamp in the future is always fun. |
| 04:03.08 | Dagmar | Fileshares are assumed to always be in the same tz |
| 04:03.28 | Dagmar | If they're not, you just have to suck it up |
| 04:04.06 | Dagmar | You have to admit, you don't typically mount remote filesystems across bloody timezones |
| 04:04.31 | Dagmar | Torhal; You don't compile much source do you |
| 04:06.15 | Dagmar | make _really_ gets twitchy about files from the future. |
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| 04:11.55 | cogwheel | Wife: "Green can go in a yellow socket, right?" My response: "Yes, 'cause green is a component of yellow" <.< |
| 04:12.36 | cogwheel | ~lart RGB |
| 04:12.36 | purl | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags RGB into court suing for $200 million |
| 04:12.46 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.02 | Seerah | web browser |
| 04:13.06 | Seerah | camera |
| 04:13.09 | Seerah | plays music |
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| 04:13.29 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:13.33 | bleeter | that's not bad |
| 04:13.39 | Dagmar | Wireless that doesn't suck a fetid zombie c**k |
| 04:13.40 | Seerah | 2 cameras even :p |
| 04:14.00 | bleeter | Dagmar: but I like zombie roosters |
| 04:14.01 | cogwheel | purl, can i have $10 million please? |
| 04:14.09 | Dagmar | If you've tried to get a DS to get on the wireless at random places, you'll understand why this matters |
| 04:14.20 | bleeter | Seerah: so all in all, DSi or death? |
| 04:14.27 | Dagmar | It _can't_ talk to about half the consumer _and_ professional grade access points out there |
| 04:14.38 | Seerah | pretty much ;) |
| 04:14.43 | bleeter | rightio, but a DSi then eh Dagmar? |
| 04:14.46 | bleeter | *buy |
| 04:15.00 | bleeter | suddenly realises the 'i' probably means 'internet' |
| 04:17.44 | Torhal | Dagmar: I was being sarcastic :) |
| 04:18.44 | Dagmar | The DSi can connect to things fine, which actually astonished me |
| 04:19.04 | Dagmar | Nintendo had their fingers in their ears going "NYAH NYAH CAN'T HEAR YOU" over problems with the wireless on the first two revisions |
| 04:19.33 | Dagmar | I came VERY close to handing some details over to someone in pursuit of an exploit to remotely crash DSes I was so pissed at them |
| 04:19.54 | Dagmar | Certain DHCP params would hard crash them |
| 04:23.27 | Dagmar | I decided that ultimately, my pursuit of Pokemon might not be all that healthy |
| 04:24.31 | Dagmar | You woulnd't want to go on record as having embarassed a megacorporation as a result of a bad mudkip trade |
| 04:25.08 | Dagmar | I love those Ally Bank commercials, but on balance the only thing I can see a DS exploit doing is making a lot of kids cry. |
| 04:29.49 | Thunder_Child | http://media.mtvnservices.com/mgid:cms:mvideo:cmt.com:40319 |
| 04:30.49 | Kraps | whos this chick? http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/october/bloodqueen.jpg |
| 04:30.58 | kd3 | lana'thel |
| 04:31.10 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Lana%27thel |
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| 04:36.06 | ancu | hello all |
| 04:48.09 | bleeter | http://chud.com/articles/articles/21294/1/DANTE039S-INFERNO-RICKROLLS-CHUDCOM/Page1.html |
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| 04:58.38 | kd3 | so uh... wth just happened on the SF bay bridge? |
| 04:58.40 | Adys | ~wwlogs |
| 04:58.41 | purl | You are probably looking for http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowwiki/ |
| 04:58.47 | kd3 | fark: San Francisco Bay Bridge rod snaps during rush hour commute, hits vehicles. Bridge closed both directions until further notice. Broken piece was part of Labor Day weekend repairs. Missed submitter by ten minutes. In rod we trust (pics) [Scary] |
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| 05:08.36 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/20677331386-loh-nerf-ss-nerf--ghost-crawler-diaf.html |
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| 05:21.35 | Thunder_Child | i hope the LoH nerf is just a joke |
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| 05:35.59 | Adys | kd3: which was the dll blizz messed up on ptr? |
| 05:37.25 | kd3 | worked ok for me. I've just been hitting crash-on-exit bugs this build |
| 05:41.45 | kd3 | and whee; 6211 icons as of the current ptr build |
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| 06:07.09 | Shirik | There's one thing I really don't get |
| 06:07.14 | Shirik | why are all the spam mails for Viagra? |
| 06:10.55 | *** join/#wowuidev Lunessa (n=chatzill@WoWUIDev/Lunessa) |
| 06:11.03 | Lunessa | station |
| 06:12.43 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: Lunessa probably knows |
| 06:12.52 | Shirik | Lunessa |
| 06:12.57 | Shirik | I have a question for you |
| 06:13.05 | Lunessa | Su? |
| 06:13.07 | Shirik | why are all the spam email I get for Viagra? |
| 06:13.38 | Lunessa | Because the rumor going round is that you need a little help... so we signed you up for all those lists. |
| 06:16.49 | Arrowmaster | what the hell is with all the anime im watching changing the good OPs for shitty ones |
| 06:20.19 | stuf | Arrowmaster: you're watching shitty shows |
| 06:20.32 | stuf | :| |
| 06:20.36 | Arrowmaster | i dont know why i still watch bleach |
| 06:20.46 | Arrowmaster | new OP sucks |
| 06:21.03 | Arrowmaster | FMA:B is not shitty but i dont care for the new OP |
| 06:21.26 | Arrowmaster | first OP for Needless was fucking epic but now its just got a bland one |
| 06:21.27 | stuf | i watched the first ep of trapeze yesterday |
| 06:21.28 | stuf | and was like |
| 06:21.29 | stuf | wat |
| 06:22.59 | Arrowmaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmNBfxFdQ90 |
| 06:23.11 | NightHawkTheSane | man, i fucking love gc. |
| 06:26.05 | Arrowmaster | vs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKZfbZbFNrk |
| 06:26.18 | Arrowmaster | took me a while to find one with subs to show how strange it is |
| 06:26.47 | Shirik | ack |
| 06:26.49 | Arrowmaster | random engrish that makes no sense |
| 06:26.50 | Shirik | I never restarted shiibot |
| 06:27.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Shiibot (n=Shiibot@WoWUIDev/Nospam) |
| 06:27.29 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shiibot] by ChanServ |
| 06:29.44 | Lunessa | I for one, welcome our Robot Overlords. |
| 06:36.48 | Shiibot | I shall ensure that you are faced with a most painless death, Lunessa, for your cooperation in our endeavors |
| 06:38.47 | ZorbaBeta | haha, I've been hanging out in the Dal inn for trick-or-treating. I just checked my mail |
| 06:38.51 | ZorbaBeta | I have *seven* manabonk wands |
| 06:40.32 | Seerah | huggles Lunessa |
| 06:41.17 | Shirik | huggles Seerah |
| 06:41.27 | Seerah | huggles Shirik, too :) |
| 06:41.35 | Shirik | :) |
| 06:45.09 | Shirik | Subject: Returned mail: Cannot send message within 1 day |
| 06:45.14 | Shirik | is there anything that would tell me WHY? |
| 06:45.24 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:45.24 | Shirik | Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 450 4.2.2 Over quota |
| 06:45.25 | Shirik | nm :( |
| 06:45.38 | zenzelezz | lulz |
| 06:47.50 | ZorbaBeta | y'know it just occured to me that, once the guild leveling system is in, Blizzard could implement the Puzzle Pirates Blackspot system and possibly cut down hugely on trade spam |
| 06:47.58 | ZorbaBeta | they won't, but they could. |
| 06:49.56 | Lunessa | I sense a new pattern match for Shiibot |
| 06:50.32 | Shirik | ? |
| 06:51.55 | Lunessa | huggles Seerah |
| 06:53.08 | Shirik | Seerah already has her own Shiibot trigger |
| 06:53.14 | Shirik | what other ones does he need? |
| 06:53.24 | Seerah | huh? |
| 06:53.33 | Lunessa | I for one, welcome our Robot Overlords. |
| 06:53.37 | Shirik | you do; have you forgotten? |
| 06:53.40 | WobWork | reminds me slightly of that anime that had the Rocky montage |
| 06:54.01 | Seerah | yes... :( I is sleepy |
| 06:54.15 | Shirik | as much as I want to, Lunessa, I try not to add features like that simply due to their abusability |
| 06:54.31 | Shirik | Shiibot is, at the core, intended to be a spambot, not an everything-else bot |
| 06:54.36 | Lunessa | *nod* I was just kidding. :P |
| 06:54.43 | Shirik | Seerah: Do you remember back in the day when you refused to give us any time to say good night? |
| 06:55.02 | Seerah | sighs |
| 06:55.08 | Lunessa | needs a WoW-Fix, but can't play from here |
| 06:55.20 | Seerah | maybe I meant to forget that :p |
| 06:56.08 | ZorbaBeta | (i'd also love it if they implemented the Puzzle Pirates profanity filter) |
| 06:56.25 | Seerah | night :) heading to bed before I pass out |
| 06:56.32 | Thunder_Child | samething |
| 06:56.36 | Shirik | night |
| 06:56.45 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan@c-76-107-191-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 06:57.04 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpiDLQV0T5I |
| 06:57.14 | Shirik | ~dict takatalvi |
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| 06:57.43 | Shirik | failure purl |
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| 06:58.20 | WobWork | how do puzzlepirates deal with profanity? |
| 06:58.42 | Thunder_Child | sodomy |
| 06:58.50 | ZorbaBeta | wob, they filter it into a variety of pirate-themed words |
| 06:59.11 | WobWork | well, they have an overlying theme, I guess |
| 06:59.33 | ZorbaBeta | so does WoW, WoW's a fantasy world |
| 06:59.35 | WobWork | can you imagine if swearing in wow suddenly became "By the light!" and "Blood and Thunder!" |
| 06:59.42 | ZorbaBeta | yes. it would be *awesome*. |
| 06:59.55 | Thunder_Child | ...damit WobWork! |
| 06:59.59 | WobWork | you'd hear cries of forced RP =P |
| 07:00.06 | WobWork | FENNY'S MONGA! |
| 07:00.14 | Thunder_Child | stop pinging me |
| 07:00.26 | WobWork | BLOOD AND TC |
| 07:00.28 | Trela | *Pokes around.* Any one know of a "message" library for Add Ons? I am saddened by the loss of message(). :O Google search does nothing for me. |
| 07:00.33 | Lunessa | By Brann's Briney Beard! |
| 07:00.44 | WobWork | Brann has a briney beard? |
| 07:00.48 | ZorbaBeta | haha, I didn't realize it was *that* thorough |
| 07:01.05 | ZorbaBeta | "It has the most fiendishly sophisticated chat filter I've ever seen -- it doesn't just convert profanity, it actively attacks acronyms, net slang, and inappropriate use of Caps Lock. You log on to Puzzle Pirates, and the world is instantly literate. Try "a/s/l"ing sometime and see what happens." |
| 07:01.17 | Lunessa | Trela: What's wrong with print() ? |
| 07:01.18 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, i hate you |
| 07:02.16 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Is there anyone you don't eventually come to hate with the passion of a thousand flickering candles? |
| 07:02.27 | Trela | Lunessa: That works. I am displaying a one time message at log in to the user for the add on upgrade. Unfortunately because Blizzard shoves that big block of yellow text there, it disappears in the scroll. People may not even see it. |
| 07:02.38 | WobWork | Thunder is known as a People Person |
| 07:03.06 | WobWork | Trela: delay the print? |
| 07:03.18 | Lunessa | Trela: Popping a box sucks even more. Really. I'd uninstall any addon that popped a box at login |
| 07:03.23 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, only Fisker |
| 07:03.31 | WobWork | Thunder_Child: you love fisker? |
| 07:03.42 | Thunder_Child | no, i just said i dont hate him |
| 07:03.46 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child and Fisker, sittin' in a tree... |
| 07:03.50 | Trela | WobWork: Delay how? I am not aware of any particular delay functions. >.> |
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| 07:05.02 | Shirik | so I have this chinese student in my class |
| 07:05.15 | Shirik | she sends me an email, and it ends with thank you ~o(â©_â©)o... |
| 07:05.26 | WobWork | is... she smoking? |
| 07:05.27 | Shirik | do they actually have these keys on their keyboard, or did she go out of her way to do that? |
| 07:05.41 | WobWork | or waving a handkerchief |
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| 07:06.42 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 07:06.47 | Fisker | take advantage of her |
| 07:06.48 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 07:07.12 | Shirik | ... |
| 07:07.20 | Arrowmaster | Fisker would take advantage of a goat |
| 07:07.20 | WobWork | Fisker: by ordering her a thousand litres of milk? |
| 07:08.59 | Trela | WobWork: Lunessa: Changed to print() after it acknowledges the player has moused over another player. |
| 07:09.25 | End | wow, neat, google maps lets you drag routes to adjust them |
| 07:09.36 | krka | wtf, what kind of thing did fisker say to trigger this? 08:07:19 <WobWork> Fisker: by ordering her a thousand litres of milk? |
| 07:09.42 | Shirik | rofl |
| 07:09.44 | WobWork | End: hasn't it always? |
| 07:09.55 | Shirik | krka, you need to be around more :) |
| 07:09.59 | End | has it? |
| 07:10.02 | Fisker | yes WobWork |
| 07:10.03 | Fisker | good idea |
| 07:10.06 | End | well, nevermind then |
| 07:10.19 | Lunessa | Fisker: I doubt it would work out, Asian school-girl mindset seems to require the addition of "cute" to everything. It rarely has any addtional meaning |
| 07:10.35 | WobWork | also, because she's asian |
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| 07:10.45 | WobWork | chances are good she'll have some level of lactose intolerance |
| 07:10.49 | Fisker | all Shirik has to do is to say "herro" |
| 07:11.08 | Shirik | WobWork is a racist |
| 07:11.12 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 07:11.18 | WobWork | It's true. I race everywhere |
| 07:11.42 | Shirik | it's ok, I won't deny it. |
| 07:11.47 | Shirik | I'm racist. Asians == hawt |
| 07:11.47 | Fisker | not sure that was his intended meaning WobWork |
| 07:12.26 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 07:12.30 | Shirik | do you like to milk goats? |
| 07:12.31 | WobWork | Just because it's sterotypical doesn't mean it doesn't have a genetic basis in fact =) |
| 07:12.48 | Fisker | i ain't afraid of no goats |
| 07:12.59 | WobWork | ... |
| 07:13.04 | Shirik | I did not ask if you were afraid |
| 07:13.05 | WobWork | now I have the ghostbusters theme stuck in my head |
| 07:13.06 | Shirik | I asked if you like to |
| 07:13.16 | Fisker | goatsbusters is better |
| 07:13.18 | Shirik | lol |
| 07:13.22 | Shirik | I totally missed the GB reference |
| 07:13.26 | Shirik | ~Fisker-- |
| 07:13.53 | Fisker | i need moar storage though |
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| 07:20.44 | Bruners | Fisker: didnt you just order an extra 2TB ? |
| 07:23.14 | Shirik | wait |
| 07:23.20 | Shirik | Reagan was a movie star? |
| 07:23.43 | krka | never seen back to the future? |
| 07:23.49 | Shirik | and who said Family Guy can't teach you anything |
| 07:23.54 | Shirik | he was in back to the future? |
| 07:23.55 | Shirik | wtf |
| 07:24.46 | Shirik | oh that was a line from back to the future |
| 07:24.51 | Shirik | I guess I didn't catch it :) |
| 07:25.02 | Fisker | i find it funny that there is an undead to Blood Elf on the race change site :D |
| 07:25.13 | Fisker | Bruners i also have to transfer the data |
| 07:25.27 | Fisker | but i need to make the raid first which means i have to take other out |
| 07:31.04 | Fisker | Windows 7 can allow potentially incriminating data (such as child pornography) to be encrypted on a user's hard drive and make detection by police "impossible", experts in Australia claim. Speaking to News.com.au, Hetty Johnson, a member of the Federal Government, called on Microsoft to act now and make immediate changes. "If this new product gives paedophiles protection to keep harming children |
| 07:31.08 | Fisker | *sigh* |
| 07:31.27 | Lunessa | Shirik: Regan was indeed a movie start. IMDB lists his films |
| 07:31.37 | Dagmar | Fisker: Asshats will be asshats |
| 07:32.10 | Lunessa | go go disklocker |
| 07:32.11 | ZorbaBeta | fisker, arrrgh |
| 07:32.17 | krka | Dr. Emmett Brown: Then tell me, "Future Boy", who's President in the United States in 1985? |
| 07:32.20 | krka | Marty McFly: Ronald Reagan. |
| 07:32.23 | krka | Dr. Emmett Brown: Ronald Reagan? The actor? |
| 07:32.23 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Yeah it's not like there's not at least three other programs out there |
| 07:32.35 | krka | All I know about USA I learned from that movie |
| 07:32.39 | Dagmar | I'm pretty damn sure Windows 7 does not provide deniability with BitLocker tho |
| 07:33.02 | Lukian | of course not, it comes with free backdoors |
| 07:33.03 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, and even beyond that, (1) it's quite arguable that people should have security against their governments, and (2) without security against government you don't have security against anyone |
| 07:33.13 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: True on both counts |
| 07:33.26 | Dagmar | It's just another LEO looking for his moment in sun. |
| 07:33.34 | Dagmar | A terrible shame he doesn't know his fly is down. |
| 07:33.34 | Lunessa | Regan did a lot of Westerns and a couple of "Bonzo" movies with a chimp. Sort of like some of the members of Congress now that I think about it... |
| 07:33.45 | Dagmar | "Bedtime for Bonzo" |
| 07:33.52 | ZorbaBeta | in the US at least, the whole police/prison industry needs a hell of a shakeup. I don't know if it does in Aus also. It might. :/ |
| 07:34.01 | Fisker | WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAT |
| 07:34.07 | Dagmar | Not to be confused with the more recent offering, "Bedtime is for Gonzo" |
| 07:34.07 | Fisker | Well, that was a short honeymoon -- Intel's now pulled its SSD Toolbox and associated TRIM firmware update amid reports that it was bricking drives under Windows 7. |
| 07:34.10 | Fisker | RAAAAAAAAAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 07:34.45 | Lunessa | ZorbaBeta: I think that's universally true. We're not very good, as a species, of treating each other with justice or fairness. |
| 07:34.50 | Fisker | i hope it would've been bricked by now if it were to have been bricked |
| 07:34.58 | Fisker | otherwise i'm fucked |
| 07:35.07 | Dagmar | Lunessa: this is why we need democracy, tempered with dynamite |
| 07:35.23 | Lunessa | And an armed and informed citizenry |
| 07:35.23 | Dagmar | Natural selection needs to be able to promote "fairness" |
| 07:35.38 | ZorbaBeta | lunessa, there have been places where it's been Better, the problem is just the constant attempt for increased power. and people who have no sense of compassion. |
| 07:35.57 | ZorbaBeta | I'd love to add an amendment or two that blatantly limits police power |
| 07:36.07 | Dagmar | I read a SciFi story once about democracy tempered by dynamite |
| 07:36.12 | ZorbaBeta | "stop doing this shit. We didn't mention it before because we thought nobody would be dumb enough to try. We were wrong. STOP IT" |
| 07:36.32 | Dagmar | The newcomer to the story just didn't get it, and his tour guide explained after showing him the large badge of office hanging around his neck |
| 07:36.39 | Lunessa | ZorbaBeta: I'm more concerned with misplaced compassion and the inability of people to think through the consequences of their actions both criminal and compassionate. |
| 07:36.44 | Dagmar | All gov't positions are filled for life. You can't take the badge off. |
| 07:37.19 | Dagmar | At any time you may run for a position of your choosing if you think you can do better job. You just go to any election booth, find the position you'd like to fill and push the button. That person's badge of office explodes. |
| 07:38.02 | Dagmar | YOURS now drops out of a vending slot for you, and the door to the booth stays locked until you put it on. |
| 07:38.02 | ZorbaBeta | haha. that's kind of awesome |
| 07:38.02 | Dagmar | It would select for fairness. |
| 07:38.02 | Shirik | Lunessa: I'm surprised |
| 07:38.07 | ZorbaBeta | we'd pretty instantly get rid of all the radicals |
| 07:38.09 | Shirik | I expected you to say something about my youngitude again |
| 07:38.13 | Dagmar | ...after a brief but memorable period in which you probably couldn't get away from the smell of cordite without a LONG trip to the countryside |
| 07:38.14 | Shirik | wrt the whole Reagan thing |
| 07:38.17 | Lunessa | ZorbaBeta: We have a several. And people infringe them often. |
| 07:38.23 | ZorbaBeta | and probably a few percentage of the US population |
| 07:38.41 | ZorbaBeta | lunessa, I *also* think we desperately need a branch of the government whose sole job is prosecuting other branches of the government for violating laws :P |
| 07:38.50 | Dagmar | I think we'd be out of republicans and democrats alike rather quickly |
| 07:39.23 | Bruners | Fisker: i bet all aussies are mac users |
| 07:39.24 | Lunessa | Shirik: Fuck it. I'm old. I saw all the Back to the Future movies in the theater - opening week |
| 07:39.36 | Shirik | lol |
| 07:39.44 | Shirik | :( sorry |
| 07:39.58 | Lunessa | For that matter, I saw Terminator in the theater.. opening week |
| 07:40.06 | Shirik | you know what sucks about being young? |
| 07:40.15 | Arrowmaster | im young and i atleast knew regan was a movie star |
| 07:40.16 | Shirik | It is impossible to make someone that's older feel better |
| 07:40.25 | Shirik | Because no matter what you say or do, they will ALWAYS be older than you |
| 07:40.28 | Lunessa | And I went to college over 20 years ago |
| 07:40.29 | Shirik | even if you wait |
| 07:40.29 | Dagmar | Shirik: Ahem. Older women. |
| 07:40.56 | Shirik | I would wait 10 years and say "Hey look I'm old too now!" but they will just be 10 years olderer |
| 07:41.04 | Dagmar | Shirik: Dude it works both ways |
| 07:41.11 | Dagmar | Other than the older women thing, of course |
| 07:41.14 | Lunessa | Shirik: I don't feel bad about being older than you. I feel disconnected from things important to you because I've been where you are and can |
| 07:41.28 | Lunessa | can't make you see how they won't mean as much to you in 20 years |
| 07:41.38 | Dagmar | There's some people you just CAN'T convince that they should listen to you, because they're 20, which means they've been making their own decisions for three to five years at best. |
| 07:41.49 | Dagmar | They have no idea what perspective turning that into four times that means. |
| 07:42.05 | Shirik | I find that logic flawed, though admittedly I'm biased |
| 07:42.18 | Dagmar | Shiriik: Don't worry. Pussy still matters. |
| 07:42.22 | Mikk | lmao |
| 07:42.23 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I'm at the stage where "older women" aren't as appealing as they were 20 years ago. :P |
| 07:42.30 | Shirik | some of the most interesting ideas can come from the younger generations, and part of that is entirely dependent upon the lack of experience |
| 07:42.42 | Dagmar | Lunessa: That's because now they're _your own age_ and older women are starting to come apart at the seams |
| 07:42.55 | Dagmar | ...or they're married to guys who know enough to be able to get rid of troublesome corpses. |
| 07:42.56 | Shirik | ... wtf has this degenerated into |
| 07:43.24 | Torhal | Shirik: Stupid doesn't make pussy bad...at least that's what I gathered. |
| 07:43.37 | Mikk | I have to agree though. There's quite a difference between 30 and 20 in amount of insight into the workings of other people's minds |
| 07:43.43 | Lunessa | I'm all for new ideas. Did you know, when we were cooking up IM - I didn't think it would be as big as it is? |
| 07:43.45 | Shirik | Well I was trying to have a ... real conversation Torhal |
| 07:43.50 | Shirik | not one centered around sex >< |
| 07:43.52 | Mikk | Unless you just stay a bleeting sheep like too many do |
| 07:44.04 | Mikk | In which case you probably go to the grave none the wise |
| 07:44.05 | Mikk | r |
| 07:45.27 | Lunessa | I work with people who can't imagine that I ever had to find a phone - because in my youth, cell phones were rare and for the rich. Now everyone has them - so some of my stories draw blank stares "Why didn't you just call them on your phone?" |
| 07:45.43 | Shirik | oh god |
| 07:45.50 | Shirik | I remember when my dad got his first cell phone |
| 07:45.51 | Lunessa | Or people who have never seen a pull-top can |
| 07:45.55 | Shirik | this huge black box that had to sit in the car |
| 07:45.59 | Shirik | and you had to plug it in |
| 07:46.19 | Dashkal | Suddenly I feel old... and I'm not even 30 yet... |
| 07:46.33 | Arrowmaster | im not even 25 |
| 07:46.35 | Lunessa | Or people who don't know that CC stands for Carbon Copy and why it means that |
| 07:46.42 | Arrowmaster | and im feeling old too |
| 07:46.45 | Shirik | I know that too! |
| 07:46.46 | Shirik | :( |
| 07:46.53 | Shirik | I'm not that young :( |
| 07:46.53 | Arrowmaster | i know all of these |
| 07:47.00 | Dashkal | I knew that, but mostly because I love trivia |
| 07:47.07 | Shirik | I even used carbon paper! Though admittedly I used it for (lol) sewing |
| 07:47.16 | Arrowmaster | used it too |
| 07:47.41 | Lunessa | But I run into these "disconnects" in experience on a daily basis, and they make me feel like I missed the world changing even though I was right there |
| 07:47.45 | Dashkal | I've used it for its intended purpose. My elementry school was stuck a decade earlier. |
| 07:47.45 | Shirik | actually most people still do |
| 07:47.49 | Fisker | sneezes Lunessa in the face |
| 07:47.54 | Shirik | don't most checkbooks still have carbon paper in them? |
| 07:47.58 | Fisker | achoo! |
| 07:47.59 | Shirik | though not really a sheet of carbonpaper I guess |
| 07:48.00 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 07:48.02 | Shirik | it's like built in |
| 07:48.19 | Mikk | who the hell uses checkbooks anymore :P |
| 07:48.20 | Arrowmaster | but receipt books do |
| 07:48.22 | Shirik | I do :( |
| 07:48.40 | Dashkal | Shirik: None that I've had. They did away with the carbon. Likely assuming I'm using Quicken to record. |
| 07:48.59 | Lunessa | I work with a guy who can hardly remember that there was a time when there wasn't commercial access to the internet. To him the web has always "just been there." It's ... creepy as shit |
| 07:49.09 | Dashkal | It did have this cute log book in the top flap that I used to record the cheques I sent to my landlord. |
| 07:49.16 | Shirik | Does anyone remember Prodigy? |
| 07:49.18 | Dagmar | He probably didn't know it existed until someone tried to "sell" it to him |
| 07:49.20 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 07:49.21 | Dashkal | I do |
| 07:49.28 | Mikk | Prodigy the service or music group? oO |
| 07:49.29 | Lunessa | GEnie? |
| 07:49.31 | Shirik | Does that still exist? |
| 07:49.39 | Dagmar | I remember hearing Compuserve suddenly decide the internet was worth having, and thinking that it probably was an omen of some kind |
| 07:49.42 | Dashkal | Remember Gopher? Archie? |
| 07:49.46 | Shirik | Hell does AOL even still exist? |
| 07:49.47 | Lunessa | Yeah, they're still around as a service somewhere |
| 07:49.49 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: instead of thinking of it like you are old just think of it like everybody else is just stupid and never experienced all they could have since other their age know what you are talking about |
| 07:49.53 | Mikk | Shirik: Yes it does |
| 07:50.03 | Arrowmaster | i used to use prodigy |
| 07:50.03 | Shirik | like as an internet service? |
| 07:50.05 | Dagmar | AOL has finally stopped calling me. |
| 07:50.07 | Lunessa | Yes it does. :P I know a lot of people still working there. |
| 07:50.07 | Dagmar | That's all that matters. |
| 07:50.07 | Mikk | Still providing shit internet access |
| 07:50.12 | Shirik | wow |
| 07:50.13 | Shirik | how |
| 07:50.22 | Mikk | You actually get IP now though |
| 07:50.29 | Mikk | Not weird tunnel-through-application bollox |
| 07:50.29 | Shirik | I remember when AOL tried (probably still does) to sell service over broadband |
| 07:50.33 | Elkano | anyone into regular expressions and nondeterministic finite automata? |
| 07:50.35 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: Most days it doesn't bother me. But I'm dealing with mortality a lot this week. |
| 07:50.40 | Elkano | I'm looking for an example where merging the two inner nodes of the NFA for r* isn't working |
| 07:50.41 | Shirik | like, I'm already paying $30/mo for internet service. I should pay another $30/mo for AOL |
| 07:50.42 | Dagmar | Shirik: Dialup, or over IP. |
| 07:50.45 | Dagmar | Guess which port number they chose |
| 07:50.58 | Bruners | Shirik: prodigy gave out an album in at least 2005 |
| 07:51.07 | Dagmar | Shirik: If you need someone to pre-select what incredible offers you recieve from your computer, you use AOL |
| 07:51.08 | Shirik | I'm willing to bet it's somewhere between 1 and 65536 |
| 07:51.18 | Dagmar | Shirik: 5150 |
| 07:51.30 | Shirik | is that supposed to mean something? |
| 07:51.42 | Dagmar | 51-50 is the police code for "crazy on the loose" |
| 07:51.47 | Shirik | oh :P |
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| 07:52.19 | Dagmar | I'm sure some people would have guessed '666' but that's exactly the sort of thing an AOL user would be terrified of. |
| 07:52.24 | Lunessa | Dagmar: :P AOL used to be a bad-ass place to work |
| 07:52.47 | Dagmar | Lunessa: I remember them most fondly when they were QuantumLink, or Q-Link |
| 07:52.55 | Dagmar | CLEARLY that time taught their engineers _nothing_ |
| 07:52.57 | Arrowmaster | like until the mid 90s? |
| 07:53.00 | Lunessa | Did you have a Commodore? |
| 07:53.03 | Dagmar | Oh yes. |
| 07:53.12 | Dagmar | My first one died from overmodification |
| 07:53.22 | Lunessa | I worked there from 94- the very end of 99 |
| 07:53.43 | Lunessa | And I was an engineer for most of it. :P |
| 07:54.34 | Dagmar | So why didn't you inform your co-workers how bad it was to allow the _client_ to make decisions about user control? |
| 07:54.52 | Dagmar | 'cuz that theme repeated itself many many times |
| 07:55.48 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Marketing had way, way, way too much power to dictate how we had to do things. Some of us fought pretty hard. |
| 07:56.03 | Dagmar | Yeah but literally all I had to do to get what I wanted out of the network was to push it hard |
| 07:56.19 | Dagmar | At least it wasn't as bad as telenet |
| 07:56.27 | Lunessa | In the end though, it was hard to argue with them when they would point to the bottom line. |
| 07:57.10 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: did they get paid everytime some commercial said 'aol keyword' or something? |
| 07:57.17 | Lunessa | I worked on the patching system for a long time. |
| 07:57.55 | Shirik | ah the days of everything having an aol keyword |
| 07:58.16 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: We had more users paying a subscription fee than anyone. Our software was better than anyone else's and our content was king. The web didn't really exisit and there wasn't many better ways yet to do things |
| 07:58.31 | Arrowmaster | ah the days of not having aol and thinking everybody was a fucking idiot for alienating their potential customers based on what isp they used |
| 07:58.47 | Dagmar | ...and Qlink showed some aspects which we're still seeing today. |
| 07:58.55 | Dagmar | When people were able to send files to each other, what did they send? |
| 07:58.57 | Dagmar | Warez and porno. |
| 07:59.31 | Dagmar | When people are allowed to be anonymous, assholes tend to rule the roost... |
| 07:59.41 | Lunessa | When you have 15 million people paying $9.99/mo it's a lot of money. And before that, people paid as much as $15/hour |
| 07:59.47 | Dagmar | ...and the only thing that really ends problems is _hackers_. ;) |
| 07:59.52 | Thunder_Child | i'm an asshole and i'm not anonymous |
| 07:59.59 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: ive been on a pure internet connection without any special isp specific stuff since 95, the web existed and was full of stuff |
| 08:00.11 | Lunessa | Sure, but it wasn't commercialo |
| 08:00.19 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Yes, but you're also here and not posting on /b/ so that's something right there. |
| 08:00.31 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, and you know that how? |
| 08:00.51 | Dagmar | You can type faster than I'd think someone with claws for hands could manage. |
| 08:00.51 | Lunessa | You couldn't go see movies, look up reviews of places to eat and GOPHER and WAIS were your interfaces... |
| 08:01.06 | Torhal | Good lord. I remember when TinyMUD first came out. |
| 08:01.07 | Dagmar | Lunessa: You assume you lived somewhere that wasn't backwater |
| 08:01.08 | Thunder_Child | heh Dagmar |
| 08:01.14 | Bruners | Arrowmaster: saying it was full of stuff isnt completly correct compared with today :P |
| 08:01.24 | Arrowmaster | true |
| 08:01.24 | Torhal | Using dialouts to have 7-bit Kermit connections to BBSes in California. |
| 08:01.36 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Mine was I thinK *the* first website on the SERaves listserv's list of raver resources |
| 08:01.45 | Lunessa | Dagmar: :P I'm just saying. AOL was a good thing at it's prime. Even if you hate it now, it brought you some good shit you love even now. |
| 08:01.47 | Arrowmaster | you couldnt get the variety of porn then that you can now |
| 08:01.54 | Bruners | i had 14.4 modem in 95 |
| 08:02.23 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Actually, it brought me free floppies, and a network to penetrate that used some color I didn't ahve to cook up some crazy-ass emulator |
| 08:02.26 | Torhal | I put a 14.4 into an 8088 and I think it _might_ have gotten 4800 baud due to the bus speed. |
| 08:02.34 | Dagmar | Lunessa: For about an hour. |
| 08:02.47 | Lunessa | Torhal: I ran a DarkFireGS node in SB, CA from 90-91 |
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| 08:02.55 | Dagmar | Lunessa: The "other" time I used AOL, I will freely admit it and a lot of guys will know where I'm coming from here |
| 08:03.01 | Dagmar | I regret it to this day |
| 08:03.12 | Dagmar | ...but I was traveling on business, drunk, and alone |
| 08:03.23 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 08:03.28 | Torhal | Lunessa: I mostly did it just because I could. I was running an Atari 1040St at the time. |
| 08:03.34 | Mikk | C64 |
| 08:03.43 | Mikk | 2400 baud |
| 08:03.43 | Mikk | gogo |
| 08:03.45 | Mikk | \o/ |
| 08:03.47 | Lunessa | Apple ][ GS |
| 08:04.05 | Torhal | Atari 800XL - 300-baud. Tape drive. |
| 08:04.07 | Lunessa | And I had a Vic 20 ! |
| 08:04.15 | Mikk | Having fun with phone switchboard to dial US BBSes from sweden to get the latest wares on that side of the pond |
| 08:04.15 | Dagmar | I called them up and cancelled the next day when I'd sobered up |
| 08:04.15 | Dagmar | Mikk: You had the RS-232 buffer adapter then |
| 08:04.21 | Torhal | Actually, I had a ColecoVision Adam before that. Daisywheel printer! |
| 08:04.23 | Mikk | Yes |
| 08:04.27 | Dagmar | Lunessa: I grew up in NAshville, my parents were kinda poor |
| 08:04.51 | Dagmar | Lunessa: I got all the way through the first two years of college on just my C-128D as a dumb terminal |
| 08:05.11 | Lunessa | Dagmar: All my equipment was carefully obtained by skipping meals and living in shitty places so I could save the money to buy it. |
| 08:05.22 | Dagmar | The first _PC_ I owned was a 486DX4-100 |
| 08:05.42 | Mikk | Aka "didnt have money for a pentium" |
| 08:05.55 | Dagmar | No, that was the fastest chip available at the time |
| 08:05.55 | Torhal | Dagmar: Same. With 1MB RAM. It was the shit. |
| 08:06.07 | Torhal | Math-co and all. |
| 08:06.08 | Dagmar | I built the machine because I finally got around to working in a PC build shop |
| 08:06.16 | Mikk | Eh, fairly sure the first pentiums were out along with DX4 |
| 08:06.17 | Bruners | 1MB ram on dx4? o_O |
| 08:06.19 | Mikk | But costs shitloads |
| 08:06.21 | Mikk | And had math bugs |
| 08:06.25 | Elkano | Torhal, Atari800? new age stuff... I used an Atari400 ^^ |
| 08:06.35 | Dagmar | No, the pentium did have a dividing bug |
| 08:06.39 | Lunessa | Because you know, fuck it... I'm old |
| 08:06.40 | Elkano | though I had 5.25" disks |
| 08:06.40 | Bruners | i had like 4mb on my 386 |
| 08:06.41 | Arrowmaster | a lot of those early stuff had math bugs |
| 08:06.47 | Dagmar | The AMD 5x86 DX4-100 I had did not. |
| 08:06.50 | Torhal | Elkano: Heh, only thing I missed when I moved to the ST was Alternate Reality: The Dungeon |
| 08:06.56 | Arrowmaster | even the pentium1 has math problems |
| 08:07.02 | Torhal | Bruners: Eh, I was 17 :P |
| 08:07.16 | Dagmar | Torhal: SOmeone I know asked him about how the hell he got those graphics to work |
| 08:07.18 | Elkano | <3 http://www.computermuseum-ebenthal.at/computer/atari400_2.jpeg |
| 08:07.28 | Dagmar | As in met him and asked him |
| 08:07.28 | Lunessa | The Amiga - I lusted after one back in the day. It was BOSS, but I never had the money. |
| 08:07.39 | Torhal | Dagmar: You talking about ATASCII? |
| 08:07.50 | Dagmar | Torhal: No, Alternate Reality |
| 08:07.53 | Torhal | Aaah |
| 08:07.58 | Torhal | Yah, that was hardcore for the day |
| 08:08.05 | Torhal | Only like, what? 4 floppies? |
| 08:08.06 | Dagmar | It was REALLY hardcore for that hardware |
| 08:08.08 | Shirik | can't help but feel responsible for all this reminiscing... |
| 08:08.10 | Torhal | Yes |
| 08:08.20 | Shirik | goes to sleep |
| 08:08.22 | Lunessa | OK, I have to go get some sleep. Building a road tomorrow. |
| 08:08.30 | Shirik | have fun dreaming about your C64s and such |
| 08:08.46 | Arrowmaster | atleast i feel young again now |
| 08:08.55 | Torhal | Hell, the music was pretty hardcore for the time, especially coupled with the graphics. |
| 08:08.56 | Dagmar | Shirik: Come on Shirik. I know you're the kind of guy who would love programming in assembly if that were all that was avilable |
| 08:08.58 | Arrowmaster | never had anything but ibm or ibm clone |
| 08:09.03 | Fisker | hello Shirik |
| 08:09.06 | Shirik | I still do program in assembly |
| 08:09.24 | Shirik | Done it for microcontrollers and have written papers on hand-coding SSE instructions |
| 08:09.36 | Dagmar | Torhal: Yeah I occasionally used to get some gripes from a musician or two who was doing computer music with Cakewalk or something, because they think I don't know what an ADSR is |
| 08:10.00 | Dagmar | ...and I'm like "Dude, I had to *think* about sound in this format to make music when I was in *high-school*." |
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| 08:11.02 | Arrowmaster | 33second reboot time? |
| 08:11.08 | Dagmar | What reboot time |
| 08:11.13 | Arrowmaster | repo |
| 08:11.25 | Dagmar | Not bad |
| 08:11.53 | Dagmar | Especially with handshaking to the IRC server |
| 08:11.53 | Arrowmaster | probably didnt shutdown properly and repo stayed online while the server was down |
| 08:11.58 | Dagmar | Aww |
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| 08:12.58 | Shirik | or it didn't reboot |
| 08:13.04 | Shirik | and just got disconnected |
| 08:13.44 | Arrowmaster | no its got a cron job to reboot around this time every night now |
| 08:13.55 | Arrowmaster | because svnserve is shit |
| 08:14.07 | Dagmar | So like, the bot can't hook that in some way? |
| 08:14.45 | Arrowmaster | the bot should do a proper quit from the server when it gets a sigterm from the shutdown process |
| 08:14.57 | Dagmar | No, I mean if any random person with the knowledge and literacy level requisite to do so, find documented prior art existing in the public domain, they should be able to sue the patent holder for money to pay for their time. |
| 08:15.07 | Dagmar | Wrong channel |
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| 08:15.16 | Arrowmaster | was going to say |
| 08:15.40 | Dagmar | Yes this is not an opinion I would publish. |
| 08:15.45 | Dagmar | Lawyers would hunt me for my skin. |
| 08:16.02 | Shirik | Arrowmaster... . what? |
| 08:16.11 | Shirik | svnserve can't run for more than a day? |
| 08:16.31 | Shirik | My server had nearly 150 days uptime until Linode decided to puke today, and that wasn't svnserve's fault :P |
| 08:16.36 | Arrowmaster | not sure about that but it keeps eating all the resources and killing the server |
| 08:16.46 | Arrowmaster | well thats what kaelten says |
| 08:16.52 | Dagmar | Wow. That's amazingly not good. |
| 08:16.53 | Shirik | Yeah well, with no offense to kaelten |
| 08:16.55 | Arrowmaster | im guessing theres other ways to fix it |
| 08:16.58 | Shirik | It's very easy to blame others |
| 08:16.59 | Arrowmaster | like ulimit |
| 08:17.11 | Shirik | But svn is an extremely widely used system, with tons of large projects using it |
| 08:17.21 | Dagmar | ulimit could keep it from eating the machine, but... |
| 08:17.23 | Shirik | I have a hard time believing this problem |
| 08:17.36 | Arrowmaster | how many other projects run this many thousand repositories from a single server? |
| 08:17.37 | Dagmar | Something else has to be broken for that to be necessary |
| 08:17.47 | Shirik | Let me rephrase |
| 08:17.57 | Shirik | I am not willing to believe this, when repo can't even stay connected during a netsplit |
| 08:17.59 | Mikk | Arrowmaster: I'm sure you can think of at least one open source hosting project |
| 08:18.10 | Shirik | There are a million other problems with that server |
| 08:18.29 | Shirik | repo dies on EVERY netsplit (unless it's like 2 people) |
| 08:18.29 | Arrowmaster | Mikk: sf doesnt have a single server for repositories, no way in fucking hell |
| 08:18.45 | Mikk | no but you can be pretty sure they run an asston on each server |
| 08:18.47 | Arrowmaster | thats because repo is a supybot because ckk is a lazy fucker |
| 08:18.56 | krka | svn is pretty crappy, i have had a lot of issues with svn update not actually updating files, i've had to delete entire directories in order to get it properly updated |
| 08:19.02 | Dagmar | hahah |
| 08:19.04 | Shirik | ok, now cascade the "lazy" beyond supybot |
| 08:19.10 | Arrowmaster | everything on the site is in python and he found a python irc bot so he used it |
| 08:19.16 | Arrowmaster | but its fucking crap |
| 08:19.23 | Torhal | Dagmar: Ah, the Wikipedia page explains why the sound for AR was so sophisticated - the developer hacked the Atari's sound system to do more than it was designed to. |
| 08:19.26 | Dagmar | That's still impressive to be that single-minded about it tho |
| 08:19.43 | Shirik | I find it quite difficult to blame svn over the user without a good amount of proof |
| 08:19.49 | Mikk | ^ |
| 08:19.51 | Dagmar | Torhal: Well, basically on both platforms they *gave* you raw access to an envelope generator |
| 08:20.00 | Fisker | i want legendaries Shirik |
| 08:20.29 | Shirik | Hell, wowinterface is hosting a bunch of SVN repositories. Admittedly not as many as curse |
| 08:20.33 | Shirik | but we haven't even noticed a load from it |
| 08:20.35 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: well they wont give me shell access to the box so everything i know is secondhand information |
| 08:20.38 | Dagmar | Torhal: The thing is, most of the hardcore coders weren't writing a game so much as a ballet on the screen |
| 08:20.40 | Shirik | much less a load that needs to reboot daily |
| 08:20.55 | Arrowmaster | oh i agree the daily reboot is stupid |
| 08:20.57 | Dagmar | Torhal: Music was just the thing you did in the time that the raster gun wasn't on the visible part of the screen. |
| 08:21.28 | Arrowmaster | i would have just done a cron job to restart the svnserve service at the most, not reboot the entire box |
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| 08:22.29 | Dagmar | Torhal: But the guy who did Alternate Reality did something that even those of us who were figuring out what kind of insane things we could do with them, because he made a reasonably convincing looking perspective 3D view |
| 08:22.57 | Shirik | anyway |
| 08:22.59 | Shirik | sleepytime |
| 08:23.05 | Shirik | hey before I go |
| 08:23.10 | Dagmar | er we _couldn't_ do that, being the point |
| 08:23.12 | Shirik | does anyone have a clue how to reinstall IE on Windows 7? |
| 08:23.24 | Shirik | I can't download IE because apparently my OS is "not supported" |
| 08:23.28 | Dagmar | Shirik: I would think just wait a moment and it'll probably ask you for permission |
| 08:23.43 | Dagmar | You're kidding |
| 08:23.57 | Shirik | I tried downloading the Vista one and it yelled at me |
| 08:24.05 | Shirik | and there is no option to download one for Win7 |
| 08:24.06 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 08:24.28 | Dagmar | I hate to say it, but maybe if Google can't find it, actually try Microsoft's little search box |
| 08:24.35 | Shirik | lol |
| 08:24.38 | Shirik | I've been avoiding it :P |
| 08:24.43 | Dagmar | *Sometimes* it won't feed you a list of knowledge base articles about horribly unrelated things |
| 08:25.01 | Shirik | anyway night |
| 08:25.04 | Dagmar | I'm sure you can get IE for Win7 especially now that it's in release |
| 08:25.14 | Shirik | well |
| 08:25.15 | Shirik | thing is |
| 08:25.23 | Shirik | it comes with IE 8 (at least in the US) |
| 08:25.33 | Mikk | then you might be stumped indeed |
| 08:25.35 | Dagmar | I am kinda sitting here regretting not having upgraded my home net to gige because of that |
| 08:25.35 | Shirik | so there is some logic in thinking "They don't need to download it!" |
| 08:25.57 | Dagmar | If you can do it, get ie7 and then slap WindowsUpdate |
| 08:26.29 | Dagmar | It is the spawn of hell itself, but they've got an ActiveX control that _can_ actually load in Firefox |
| 08:26.31 | Fisker | you get IE8 in EU as well |
| 08:27.15 | Dagmar | Just understand that you should probably _remove_ the plugin that lets that thing work |
| 08:27.21 | Dagmar | ...after you're done |
| 08:27.40 | Shirik | you do? |
| 08:27.51 | Shirik | So Microsoft just said "fuck it" to the EU and ended up shipping IE anyway? |
| 08:27.54 | Dagmar | They get a browser vote page or something I've heard |
| 08:28.11 | Dagmar | Wired's been talking about a special N version in the EU |
| 08:28.14 | Shirik | stupidest decision ever |
| 08:28.24 | Shirik | who gets to choose what browsers go on this "browser vote page" |
| 08:28.33 | Dagmar | They pretty much just picked the big ones |
| 08:28.45 | Dagmar | There's not a lot of work in that space to choose from |
| 08:29.04 | Dagmar | You can count the browsers that don't completely suck without taking off your shoes |
| 08:29.13 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: why do you need to reinstall IE? |
| 08:29.25 | Arrowmaster | thats not typically possible |
| 08:29.29 | Shirik | complicated issue with VS crashing Document Explorer |
| 08:29.37 | Shirik | M$ advised reinstalling IE |
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| 08:29.48 | Arrowmaster | but didnt tell you how? |
| 08:30.06 | Fisker | Shirik the best do! |
| 08:30.14 | Arrowmaster | did they advise this in a kb page? |
| 08:30.19 | Fisker | but i find it funny |
| 08:30.22 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.41 | Fisker | Whatever Microsoft decides Opera or Mozilla are complaining if they don't end up being the first choice |
| 08:30.43 | Cide- | krka: http://pastey.net/127228 |
| 08:30.47 | Shirik | yes Arrowmaster |
| 08:30.51 | Shirik | though I have to find it somewhere |
| 08:31.01 | Arrowmaster | that kb page has to link to how to do it |
| 08:31.07 | Cide- | lazily evaluated infinite list! |
| 08:31.11 | Shirik | nah |
| 08:31.15 | Shirik | it sent me to the IE8 page |
| 08:31.21 | Dagmar | Wow |
| 08:31.27 | Shirik | which has no link to a W7 download |
| 08:31.41 | Dagmar | Right so maybe try just forcing Windowsupdate.microsoft.com to work in Chrome or FF |
| 08:31.46 | Arrowmaster | call them? |
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| 08:32.18 | Dagmar | It's just crazy enough to work |
| 08:32.27 | Shirik | that would cost me money :P |
| 08:32.28 | Dagmar | It's release week |
| 08:32.44 | Arrowmaster | reinstall? |
| 08:32.45 | Dagmar | Well, I know one way |
| 08:32.49 | Arrowmaster | entire OS i mean |
| 08:32.55 | Dagmar | Shirik: Are you faculty somewhere? |
| 08:32.55 | Shirik | naaa |
| 08:33.00 | Shirik | sorta |
| 08:33.05 | Shirik | that's a complicated question :) |
| 08:33.14 | Dagmar | Call IT and ask if Microsoft is doing an installfest |
| 08:33.28 | Arrowmaster | IT doesnt like him |
| 08:33.30 | Dagmar | I kid you not they're planning on installing W7 Pro for free on people's machines here |
| 08:33.42 | Shirik | IT does in fact hate me |
| 08:33.47 | Dagmar | They're apparently doing it elsewhere as well |
| 08:34.02 | Cide- | Dagmar: it's part of MSDNAA so that's not very surprising... |
| 08:34.23 | mitch0 | masking as IE in opera gets past the stupid check, but I get a http500 later on, dunno if that's just our company proxy messing up though |
| 08:34.47 | Dagmar | Cide-: "The first one's free" |
| 08:35.01 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: find a teacher for a higher level windows class at your school, theyre bound to have free phone support some how |
| 08:35.15 | Cide- | MSDNAA has offered the professional one for pretty much every windows version |
| 08:35.18 | Cide- | so no, that's not it |
| 08:35.21 | Shirik | we don't really do windows programming :) |
| 08:35.25 | Shirik | We are an aviation school |
| 08:35.25 | Fisker | i need legendaries Shirik |
| 08:35.28 | Shirik | Planes don't run Windows |
| 08:35.30 | jnwhiteh | does anyone have any of those wacky 12-side button mice? |
| 08:35.32 | Dagmar | Ahhhh |
| 08:35.33 | Shirik | planes run VxWorks :P |
| 08:35.39 | Cide- | I understand you're cynical about it as you are with everything else |
| 08:35.52 | Dagmar | Yes because BSOD at terminal velocities isn't funny |
| 08:36.19 | Arrowmaster | from what ive seen of routers using vxworks i wouldnt trust it either |
| 08:36.21 | Dagmar | I didn't think it was funny on ATMs and I *surely* wouldn't ever want to see it in a plane I would like to land |
| 08:36.29 | Arrowmaster | but those are probably the worst examples |
| 08:36.50 | Shirik | vxworks is a very good system |
| 08:36.55 | Shirik | programming for vxworks is not trivial |
| 08:37.11 | Shirik | it is extremely picky :) |
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| 08:41.10 | Arrowmaster | night, im really tired so heading to bed early |
| 08:41.18 | Arrowmaster | early = 4:40am |
| 08:41.54 | Arrowmaster | vs 8am yesterday |
| 08:42.50 | jnwhiteh | http://apidiff.pastey.net/127241 |
| 08:43.24 | jnwhiteh | HasCompletedAnyAchievement() O.o |
| 08:44.27 | krka | that's a fairly specific function :) |
| 08:44.39 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:44.47 | mitch0 | what's the EyeTemplate thing? |
| 08:45.02 | krka | seems like the addon team asked for a way to know if a player has any achievements, and the c-team gave them exactly that |
| 08:45.13 | jnwhiteh | krka: they're the same team |
| 08:45.46 | krka | oic |
| 08:45.50 | krka | same people write c code and lua code? |
| 08:46.05 | jnwhiteh | yes, its all one team |
| 08:46.23 | jnwhiteh | there are Lua only implementors on the team, but its one small team =) |
| 08:46.50 | krka | oic |
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| 08:49.12 | Fisker | were all fucking then |
| 08:52.55 | Thunder_Child | Fisker, needs more udder |
| 08:54.02 | Fisker | i need my hdd though |
| 08:54.17 | Cide- | krka: so you can do inf[:100] to lazily get the first 100 items (0...99) |
| 08:54.42 | krka | right |
| 08:55.02 | Cide- | and chain inf[:100][::2] (all even items from 0..99) |
| 08:55.12 | Cide- | it's not very useful when it comes to python programming sadly |
| 08:55.20 | Cide- | and it took like 2 hours to get all the edge cases right :/ |
| 08:55.51 | krka | yes, i'll still claim that the language doesn't really support lazy evaluation like haskell does |
| 08:56.18 | jnwhiteh | <3 haskell |
| 08:56.21 | Cide- | I'd argue it does |
| 08:56.47 | Bruners | haskell bleh |
| 08:56.50 | jnwhiteh | Bruners: ? |
| 08:57.29 | Bruners | i dont like how it doesnt like indentation unless they are 8 spaces |
| 08:58.18 | jnwhiteh | its only that picky in certain constructs |
| 08:58.21 | jnwhiteh | i use 4 spaces most of the time. |
| 08:58.35 | mikma | yo, i'm gonna let you finish, but |
| 08:58.39 | Fisker | i'm getting like no legendaries mikma |
| 08:58.41 | Bruners | took me forever to figure that shit out when configuring xmonad |
| 08:58.50 | mikma | fisker: good. |
| 08:59.01 | Cide- | why is it that picky anyway? |
| 08:59.09 | Cide- | 8 spaces is huge |
| 08:59.16 | krka | that's not what she said |
| 08:59.19 | jnwhiteh | Cide-: i don't think it _is_ 8 spaces |
| 08:59.20 | Cide- | oh snap |
| 08:59.24 | jnwhiteh | its just things have to line up correctly |
| 09:00.56 | Cide- | ah |
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| 09:02.00 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/misc/Kuva020.jpg |
| 09:02.01 | mikma | noobs |
| 09:03.05 | stuf | oh snap |
| 09:03.51 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/dog_poo_irobot.png |
| 09:03.54 | mikma | hahahaa |
| 09:05.07 | Thunder_Child | oh lol http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/c807/?cpg=109HD |
| 09:05.35 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:05.41 | mikma | owned |
| 09:06.17 | Fisker | :O |
| 09:06.27 | Fisker | in b4 wotf nerf on the account cancellation site |
| 09:06.37 | Kalroth | 1) Release new race change service |
| 09:06.43 | Kalroth | 2) Nerf various racials |
| 09:06.46 | Kalroth | 3) ???? |
| 09:06.50 | Kalroth | 4) Profit! |
| 09:07.07 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 09:07.14 | Fisker | though i already changed |
| 09:07.22 | Fisker | but only because armor + bones + fucked up posture = SHIT |
| 09:07.23 | mikma | kalroth: that's... that's so true it hurts a little when i die laughing |
| 09:07.43 | Bruners | Fisker: arent you playing fiskerdin ? |
| 09:07.54 | mikma | now he's DEATHFISKER |
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| 09:08.00 | Bruners | haha |
| 09:08.25 | Kalroth | Next will be the spacegoat hit aura, it'll be changed to +5 fishing aura in 3-4 weeks once 50% of alliance have changed |
| 09:08.29 | Fisker | also playing my rogue Bruners |
| 09:08.34 | mikma | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw32763.jpg <- pretty |
| 09:09.00 | Fisker | that one is obvious though Kalroth |
| 09:09.09 | Fisker | hope they do a nice job of rebalancing all racials in 4.0 |
| 09:09.09 | Cide- | how is that pretty |
| 09:09.32 | mikma | cide-: BECAUSE I SAID SO AND YOU CANT PROVE IT OTHERWISE!!!11 |
| 09:09.36 | Kalroth | Cide-: You have to pick between thinking that UF is pretty or getting kicked in the nuts |
| 09:09.38 | Cide- | I just did |
| 09:09.39 | Kalroth | That's how |
| 09:09.39 | mikma | </religious prick> |
| 09:10.23 | Kalroth | Sadly I agree with Cide though, it isn't :p |
| 09:10.23 | mikma | kalroth: cide- is so s/m that he'll take the kick |
| 09:10.27 | Kalroth | ooh |
| 09:10.35 | mikma | yeah, it ain't pretty. |
| 09:10.45 | Kalroth | My momma used to say that there's a The Gimp in everyone |
| 09:10.46 | Cide- | that's what I said |
| 09:11.43 | Ginji | Say what you want, but the dwarven racials is still the best racial out there |
| 09:11.46 | mikma | that's what.. he said? |
| 09:12.08 | mikma | ginji: stoneskin and treasure find? |
| 09:12.20 | Ginji | Find Treasure ftw! |
| 09:12.51 | Ginji | wtf is ftw backwards! |
| 09:12.57 | Ginji | I just realized that |
| 09:13.07 | mikma | ~ginji-- |
| 09:13.37 | Ginji | You dare adjust my karma?! |
| 09:13.46 | Bruners | orc racials > * |
| 09:13.54 | Kalroth | ns |
| 09:14.11 | Kalroth | axe expertise, blood fury |
| 09:14.28 | Ginji | and +5% pet damage |
| 09:14.47 | Bruners | 15% less stund duration |
| 09:15.13 | Kalroth | pets are for pussies, real men are in melee range! |
| 09:15.20 | Ginji | Agreed! |
| 09:15.27 | Bruners | Kalroth: its also fists |
| 09:16.09 | Kalroth | there's no 2H fist weapons though, so not interested! |
| 09:16.44 | Bruners | but there is two handed axes which are currently BiS |
| 09:16.52 | Bruners | not to mention the new legendary |
| 09:17.11 | Kalroth | sure, hence why I mentioned axe expertise :) |
| 09:26.45 | Fisker | fail |
| 09:26.51 | Fisker | i just found a "deathly rifle" in borderlands |
| 09:28.03 | Torhal | Fisker: Got milk? |
| 09:29.11 | Zyn | still need to find a gun that shoots guns |
| 09:30.07 | Zyn | "This game will unlock in approximately 1 day and 15 hours" , feels good being euro, right Fisker |
| 09:30.38 | Fisker | sorry i can't hear you over my vpn Zyn |
| 09:35.07 | Fisker | what's that Zyn? STFU over TCP/IP? |
| 09:35.08 | Fisker | :3 |
| 09:35.32 | Zyn | dickballs |
| 09:36.16 | Fisker | nearing 2 mill now |
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| 09:38.37 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: my wife says thankyou for putting an icon into QH for the toggle. |
| 09:40.56 | Fisker | well it didn't come free Jerub |
| 09:42.57 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, the one on the quest tracker? |
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| 09:50.04 | mitch0 | fisker: :) |
| 09:50.18 | mikma | http://thatwillbuffout.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/CarmenG-oneway.jpg |
| 09:57.23 | smcn | ZorbaBeta: i am using /qh find to do the critter cheevs right now, let me just say i love ewe |
| 09:59.58 | Fisker | cries |
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| 10:03.17 | mikma | wait what |
| 10:03.33 | mikma | they changed the demo releasedate of l4d2 to today? |
| 10:04.19 | Kalroth | pre-purchasers, yeah |
| 10:04.32 | Thunder_Child | is the LoH nerf for holy only? |
| 10:04.59 | Kalroth | "Lay on Hands can no longer be cast on yourself." This one? |
| 10:05.04 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 10:05.20 | Kalroth | Why would it be for holy only? |
| 10:05.37 | Thunder_Child | because it's listed under holy on mmo |
| 10:05.45 | Thunder_Child | so i am just checking |
| 10:05.52 | Sentri | it's a holy spell |
| 10:06.13 | Thunder_Child | thats not how it's divided usualy |
| 10:06.19 | Kalroth | http://www.wowhead.com/?search=lay+on+hands#abilities |
| 10:06.22 | Kalroth | ^- school |
| 10:06.24 | Sentri | mmm |
| 10:06.28 | Thunder_Child | see above |
| 10:06.54 | Thunder_Child | it's usually devided by what tree can cast what |
| 10:06.59 | Kalroth | no, I don't mean spell school, I mean talent tree |
| 10:07.03 | Thunder_Child | otherwise it's under general |
| 10:07.18 | Kalroth | LoH is a general ability though, it's not specific to Holy Paladins |
| 10:07.20 | ZorbaBeta | smcn, at some point that's just going to be a checkbox labeled "add this achievement" |
| 10:07.22 | Kalroth | Hence the nerf is for all specs |
| 10:07.33 | ZorbaBeta | although honestly you shouldn't be able to do the critter achievements with that feature. there is definitely a bug |
| 10:10.11 | smcn | ZorbaBeta: am i inferring correctly that you're referring to an ability to /qh find an achievement name? because if so i had no clue you could do that, i just did /qh find for each critter i needed :O |
| 10:10.34 | ZorbaBeta | no, at some point there's just going to be a checkbox on your achievement list to add the entire contents to Questhelper routing |
| 10:10.38 | ZorbaBeta | "help me with this achievement" |
| 10:10.50 | ZorbaBeta | right now what you're doing is the best way, although it really shouldn't actually work |
| 10:11.35 | smcn | oh, why's that? |
| 10:12.02 | smcn | side note, why is "hare" on the list for both of the /love achievements? :P |
| 10:12.13 | stuf | hares need love |
| 10:12.29 | smcn | maybe if i didn't get credit for both with one /love ;P |
| 10:12.31 | ZorbaBeta | QH is supposed to cull the monster list down to monsters that are needed in quests |
| 10:12.38 | ZorbaBeta | but I think it's not being aggressive enough with its culling |
| 10:12.51 | ZorbaBeta | which may be one of the causes of the recent database inflation |
| 10:13.06 | ZorbaBeta | sinec critters aren't used in quests, it shouldn't have them in the DB, which means you shouldn't be able to "/find" them |
| 10:13.14 | ZorbaBeta | it's convenient that you can, but it shouldn't be possible ;) |
| 10:13.28 | ZorbaBeta | (obviously they will show back up in the DB once I have achievements in) |
| 10:13.55 | smcn | gotcha |
| 10:20.39 | Fisker | slaps mikma around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:28.23 | mikma | .. |
| 10:28.40 | msoul | I lost time lost proto :( |
| 10:28.58 | msoul | Only thing i want is a 310 speed |
| 10:29.03 | msoul | Not sure if it has it even |
| 10:29.12 | Bruners | time lost is 280 |
| 10:29.35 | msoul | only ulduar drakes thern? |
| 10:29.37 | Bruners | should have been 310% :( |
| 10:30.09 | msoul | i've got 52 mounts so far |
| 10:30.12 | Bruners | onyxia one, kael, world event, pvp |
| 10:30.42 | msoul | I've done onyxia raid only once i hate raiding with pugs |
| 10:30.57 | msoul | And finding a good guild is a true pain |
| 10:31.05 | msoul | Especially for a DK |
| 10:31.06 | Bruners | i have never seen it drop |
| 10:31.12 | Bruners | just dont be a crap DK |
| 10:31.17 | Bruners | like most are |
| 10:31.27 | msoul | hehe |
| 10:31.42 | msoul | one of the dks wanted aesir's sword and said "it's a tanking wep" |
| 10:31.53 | ZorbaBeta | timelost is 310, last I heard |
| 10:32.19 | Bruners | timelost was 280% last time i used it |
| 10:32.27 | Bruners | which is about 20 mins ago |
| 10:32.39 | Kalroth | time-lost has always been 280% |
| 10:32.39 | Bruners | msoul: show me a two hand tanking weapon |
| 10:32.55 | Bruners | msoul: there isnt any, so all weapons are good for it |
| 10:32.58 | msoul | dk tanks should go with agi/stam |
| 10:33.10 | msoul | when it comes to a blod dk dps to dk tank |
| 10:33.12 | Kalroth | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=60002 |
| 10:33.24 | msoul | aesir should go to the dps especially if he's a blood specced like me |
| 10:33.26 | mikma | scytheblade1: it's predownloading l4d2 again |
| 10:33.34 | msoul | as str is your highest stat then arp comes next |
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| 10:36.55 | Bruners | msoul: its high on stamina and two sockets = dk tanking weapon |
| 10:37.36 | msoul | Dk blood spec can use those sockets for 2x20 str and arp comes next |
| 10:38.06 | msoul | now most DK tanks than i know of who happen to play for last resort/converge and cobra top guilds play with a wep that has agi/stam |
| 10:38.41 | msoul | You can "use" it but if you have anguish/aesir i'd go with anguish for tanking and aesir for dpsing |
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| 10:39.52 | msoul | they gave it to the hunter first, when i asked why they said we want to fgive it for the tank who happen to have anguish and i have iron soul doing togc10 toc25 |
| 10:40.20 | msoul | i do read/test and use flasks/food etc so i know pretty well about my class :) |
| 10:41.21 | Kalroth | wouldn't a weapon with more tanksy stats be better? |
| 10:41.40 | msoul | better than what? |
| 10:41.43 | Bruners | there are no two hand weapons with tanksy stats other than stamina and gem slots |
| 10:41.46 | mikma | wobwork: http://joesmoddingmenagerie.blogspot.com/2009/10/fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.html |
| 10:41.54 | Kalroth | worldcarver? |
| 10:42.01 | Kalroth | or dont DKs use expertise? |
| 10:42.16 | Bruners | they do, but what if you dont need the expertise ? |
| 10:42.17 | msoul | they do |
| 10:42.31 | msoul | hah now you're complicating it |
| 10:42.34 | Kalroth | I mean, agi, expertise and hit rating must be better than crit and arpen for a tank |
| 10:42.39 | msoul | It's extremely hard to cap expertise |
| 10:42.49 | msoul | not so much with hit rating to be honest |
| 10:42.50 | Bruners | what is the cap ? |
| 10:42.54 | msoul | go read |
| 10:43.52 | msoul | is one of the things i'd like to see how it will work with the next patch as hit comes first for unholy str second expertise 3rd |
| 10:44.08 | Kalroth | I mean, saying that a weapon is tanking because it got stamina means you can use any weapon for tanking - which is of course true, but it's hardly optimal :) |
| 10:44.09 | Bruners | hit only comes first untill you reach the cap |
| 10:44.43 | Bruners | Kalroth: stamina goes over expertise |
| 10:44.56 | Kalroth | Wouldn't a PvP weapon be superior then? |
| 10:45.11 | Kalroth | since they got 204 stamina and 2 gem slots? |
| 10:45.36 | Bruners | sure |
| 10:46.09 | msoul | some even dps with it i've seen |
| 10:46.14 | Kalroth | and I think expertise is underrated, at least against parry hasted bosses |
| 10:46.42 | msoul | when i sued to tank got my def capped, stam then expertise |
| 10:46.46 | Bruners | is the armory screwed now? |
| 10:46.48 | msoul | i switch sigil's depends on the boss |
| 10:47.01 | msoul | awareness gives you more threat than the deflection one |
| 10:47.25 | msoul | depends on the fight luckily i did quit tanking |
| 10:47.40 | Bruners | threat is hardly the problem |
| 10:47.58 | msoul | for some dks ive seen it is :) |
| 10:48.00 | Bruners | stamina is |
| 10:48.11 | msoul | when the dpsers have much much better equip |
| 10:48.24 | msoul | again i stopped tanking a while ago |
| 10:48.42 | msoul | both trees for dpsing one as blood the second as unholy |
| 10:48.52 | Ycarene | At what point does resil hit diminishing returns? |
| 10:49.17 | Kalroth | I think it's 25% where it stops working? Not entirely sure |
| 10:49.23 | Bruners | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Grim+Batol&n=Emorager |
| 10:49.26 | Bruners | death knight tank |
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| 10:49.53 | Bruners | stupid armory refuses to work here |
| 10:49.57 | Bruners | cant even load the page in IE |
| 10:50.31 | msoul | well geared tank |
| 10:50.49 | Kalroth | meh, both our DKs are in PvP/DPS gear atm |
| 10:51.26 | Kalroth | seems like that DK got twinked up pretty fast :p |
| 10:51.31 | Fisker | you know what's going to suck? |
| 10:51.34 | Fisker | http://i38.tinypic.com/fng66x.jpg <-if this fails |
| 10:51.35 | Fisker | :E |
| 10:51.50 | Kalroth | Fisker: get out and push |
| 10:52.00 | Bruners | Kalroth: he is main tank in refusion |
| 10:52.28 | Kalroth | Bruners: He's got a ton of ilevel 258 loot, yet he didn't kill Algalon until yesterday |
| 10:52.48 | Kalroth | His first Ulduar clear was 3 weeks ago |
| 10:52.51 | Kalroth | Hence twink |
| 10:53.00 | Kalroth | er |
| 10:53.05 | Kalroth | oops, cancel last one :p |
| 10:53.45 | Kalroth | I misread Conq of Ulduar |
| 10:53.49 | Lukian | 0%, Migration Completed |
| 10:53.56 | Lukian | quick Fisker, it's done, reboot! |
| 10:54.17 | Kalroth | Fisker: what is that for btw? |
| 10:54.46 | Bruners | Kalroth: he cleared ulduar 05-06-2009, except algalon |
| 10:54.47 | Fisker | imma making a raid |
| 10:55.05 | msoul | kaloroth i still haven't cleared ulduar |
| 10:55.10 | Kalroth | Bruners: yes, I already said I misread it :p |
| 10:55.31 | Bruners | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Grim+Batol&cn=Bruners&gn=Cuddle+Vendor /flex |
| 10:55.31 | msoul | Most guilds i played to have raiders with brain damage |
| 10:55.46 | Kalroth | msoul: Sure, it was the context of having a lot of ilevel 258 loot, yet only killing Algalon yesterday |
| 10:55.47 | Fisker | Kalroth is 1 ilevel 258 item "a ton"? :3 |
| 10:55.51 | Kalroth | uhm |
| 10:55.54 | Kalroth | he got more, no? |
| 10:56.29 | Fisker | only 1 here |
| 10:56.45 | Bruners | Kalroth: thing is, algalon hits hard |
| 10:56.47 | Kalroth | meh, only trinket, I was sure there was more |
| 10:56.50 | Fisker | silica gel balls are for digestion? |
| 10:56.55 | Fisker | right? |
| 10:56.58 | Bruners | yes |
| 10:57.01 | Bruners | with milk |
| 10:57.07 | Fisker | om nom nom no |
| 10:57.10 | Fisker | nom |
| 10:57.11 | Kalroth | Bruners: Sure, but if you can kill heroic beasts, then Algalon is easy |
| 10:57.36 | Fisker | algalon is bugged like shit for us :( |
| 10:58.12 | Bruners | Kalroth: i heard algalon hits even harder than that |
| 10:58.12 | Kalroth | And I know he hits hard, we killed him over 2 months ago and our healers still QQ about it |
| 10:58.23 | Kalroth | he doesn't |
| 10:58.37 | Fisker | lol |
| 10:58.46 | Fisker | playing borderlands reduced the time needed by 1½ hour |
| 10:58.56 | msoul | my main problem is finding a guild now, so decided to see for other guilds on a diff realm and will move my char there |
| 10:59.04 | Bruners | why isnt armory working in IE or Firefox ! RAGE |
| 10:59.11 | Kalroth | Bruners: it works fine for me |
| 10:59.16 | msoul | as most guilds on kazzak break up except the well known ones LR, cobra and converge |
| 10:59.19 | Kalroth | msoul: Well you're DK, so good luck :p |
| 10:59.27 | Bruners | i blame minefield |
| 10:59.27 | msoul | haha |
| 10:59.35 | Kalroth | Yeah, a ton of guilds on my server broke up |
| 10:59.39 | Kalroth | like no alliance guilds left |
| 10:59.56 | Kalroth | and horde side is a powerhouse now, where we used to be 25% of the server |
| 11:00.08 | msoul | yeah |
| 11:00.13 | msoul | i play as a horde though :) |
| 11:00.21 | Bruners | the way it should be |
| 11:00.25 | Kalroth | same, orc 4 lief!! |
| 11:00.31 | msoul | undead! |
| 11:00.36 | Kalroth | boney |
| 11:00.42 | msoul | undead female char with that fish you eat to transform |
| 11:00.45 | Kalroth | mmm, lunch time |
| 11:00.46 | msoul | deviate or some such |
| 11:00.56 | msoul | <- alchemist/JC |
| 11:01.27 | msoul | wanted BS to get the extra two sockets |
| 11:01.47 | msoul | thought of having something that me and the rest of the guild can benifit from |
| 11:01.47 | Bruners | why didnt you go BS then ? |
| 11:03.14 | msoul | i just said it :) |
| 11:03.30 | msoul | it was either BS/enchanting/alchemy |
| 11:03.56 | mikma | haha |
| 11:03.59 | mikma | http://www.l4dmods.com/index.php?option=com_joomloads&view=package&Itemid=2&packageId=778 |
| 11:04.12 | Bruners | Fisker: why have you broken my firefox! |
| 11:04.55 | Bruners | think ill have to step back to 3.6 again |
| 11:06.05 | Fisker | 9 hours now! |
| 11:06.10 | mikma | scytheblade1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdnM4wXIELs#t=0m35s |
| 11:07.20 | Bruners | do you guyes now what totally sucks on windows 7 ? |
| 11:07.27 | Bruners | the Set Associations app |
| 11:08.07 | msoul | Windows is evul |
| 11:08.48 | Fisker | firesux sucks |
| 11:09.10 | Sentri | lol no |
| 11:09.38 | Bruners | had to go all the way back to 3.5.4 for armory to work :S |
| 11:10.14 | Fisker | owned |
| 11:12.02 | mikma | scytheblade1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSRoG3sIEV0 HAHAHAHAHA |
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| 11:13.22 | msoul | Kalroth: what's your class btw |
| 11:13.28 | msoul | didn't ask |
| 11:13.51 | msoul | As i'm thinking of starting a Shaman Enh definitely :) |
| 11:13.54 | msoul | Shaman or druid |
| 11:14.46 | mikma | scytheblade1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvpEnZMpbY8 |
| 11:16.03 | Bruners | sup with retarded l4d mods? |
| 11:16.19 | Fisker | retarded L4D Mods is the cancer killing L4D |
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| 11:17.23 | mikma | fun with L4D is fun |
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| 11:28.11 | Zyn | fun mods not affecting gameplay at all is not cancer |
| 11:28.43 | Dezzimal | the best l4d mod is and always will be Macho Man Randy Savage zombies |
| 11:29.55 | Dezzimal | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMqPG4S80bo |
| 11:32.11 | Kalroth | msoul: I play a warrior |
| 11:33.11 | Kalroth | oh sweeeeet, Blizzard added a drama button to pugs |
| 11:33.23 | Fisker | old? |
| 11:34.32 | stuf | wat |
| 11:34.37 | stuf | pics |
| 11:35.14 | Kalroth | stuf: "# A Vote Kick feature will be available in the event a member of a party is not performing to the expectations of the other members." |
| 11:36.04 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 11:36.05 | Fisker | old |
| 11:36.22 | Fisker | i wonder how they'll solve abuse though |
| 11:36.29 | Kalroth | yees, you said old twice now, so your old is old! |
| 11:36.37 | tlund | how is it abuse if 4 people vote a 5th off? |
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| 11:36.51 | Sentri | i hope it requires all the others in 5man to accept |
| 11:37.02 | Dezzimal | why should there be a vote kick option |
| 11:37.11 | Kalroth | Sentri: including the person you're voting on? :P |
| 11:37.12 | Dezzimal | if someone isn't up to par the leader takes care of it |
| 11:37.17 | Fisker | tlund because currently they're going with "If you're locked you have just as much right to be there" |
| 11:37.23 | Dezzimal | if the leader isn't up to par then wtf are you doing in his group |
| 11:38.10 | Fisker | essentially they can prevent a person from completing the daily because of that |
| 11:38.10 | Sentri | no i said all the others :p |
| 11:38.10 | Kalroth | Dezzimal: obviously you haven't pugged much, eh?! |
| 11:38.10 | Kalroth | Fisker: They still can today |
| 11:38.10 | tlund | Fisker: no, if you get removed from a party you get teleported out |
| 11:38.10 | Fisker | only because Blizzard is n00bs |
| 11:38.10 | Dezzimal | I have pugged a bunch, in raids that feature /might/ be useful |
| 11:38.10 | Fisker | yeah that's been like there for a month? |
| 11:38.10 | tlund | Fisker: (not raids) |
| 11:38.17 | Fisker | still not a great idea |
| 11:38.38 | Dezzimal | but honestly if one single person is bad enough that you can't complete a dungeon with them in the group |
| 11:38.38 | Dezzimal | idk |
| 11:38.48 | Kalroth | "# Players who leave the group prematurely are subject to a Deserter debuff preventing them from using the Dungeon System tool for 15 minutes." |
| 11:38.51 | Kalroth | this one is weird though |
| 11:38.55 | Fisker | lol |
| 11:39.16 | Fisker | kicking someone from group should invalidate all players from getting the daily dungeon |
| 11:39.17 | Dezzimal | thats a horrible addition |
| 11:39.30 | Dezzimal | if the group is awful you should have a right to depart |
| 11:40.01 | Sentri | it's only for the random dungeon tool |
| 11:41.21 | Sentri | and the definition for a horrible group varies from person to person |
| 11:45.47 | Dezzimal | I'd like to think I'm preeeeeeeeety lenient on my definition of horrible |
| 11:46.28 | Dezzimal | wiping on a boss more than once on heroic mode is pretty unheard of barring extenuating circumstances like disconnects |
| 11:47.08 | Wobin | hehe |
| 11:47.16 | Wobin | I can see people lining up for BGs |
| 11:47.20 | Wobin | to get out of bad pugs |
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| 11:55.11 | Fisker | http://i36.tinypic.com/dgrrj9.jpg |
| 11:55.22 | Fisker | wuts |
| 11:58.13 | Kalroth | You can enter either your email (which is greater than null) or a black hole (which less than null), why is that hard to understand? |
| 12:00.11 | msoul | Kalroth: what class you play! |
| 12:00.21 | Kalroth | msoul: I play a warrior |
| 12:00.26 | msoul | Aw |
| 12:00.37 | msoul | me <3 warbringer long time |
| 12:00.51 | msoul | i should continue my troll warr :/ |
| 12:00.54 | Kalroth | Never played a DK, so I don't know much about them other than they suck! |
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| 12:01.04 | msoul | that hurt man :( |
| 12:01.11 | Kalroth | truth often does |
| 12:01.21 | msoul | but i can tell you this, a lot of ppl don't know what dks capable of |
| 12:01.30 | Wobin | wow |
| 12:01.30 | Wobin | http://vimeo.com/5957763 |
| 12:01.37 | Wobin | looks pretty awesome |
| 12:01.41 | msoul | i met few who actually know about the spec etc and dks dots |
| 12:01.52 | msoul | Kalroth: i can agree that wobin dk's suck! |
| 12:01.57 | Wobin | nods |
| 12:01.59 | msoul | hides under a pile of blankets |
| 12:02.02 | Wobin | it's true |
| 12:02.14 | Wobin | It's a good thing I don't dps with him |
| 12:02.19 | Kalroth | our DKs pull 13-15k DPS on Anub, so I hope they're know what they're doing, otherwise the class might be a little overpowered :p |
| 12:02.49 | msoul | Wobin: i stopped tanking a while ago now all about dpsing... my dps is far better than the warr who happen to have tier9 and better wep etc |
| 12:03.05 | Fisker | but it was entered Kalroth :( |
| 12:03.11 | msoul | Kalroth: again, few knows what a dk can do and cannot |
| 12:03.24 | Kalroth | Fisker: did you enter it in the right field? |
| 12:03.25 | msoul | Kalroth: you see loads of dks because it's easier to level |
| 12:03.44 | msoul | Wobin: i cannot decide between druid or shaman enh :) |
| 12:03.45 | Kalroth | msoul: Sure, there's a ton of dummies out there, but that's not limited to the death knight class |
| 12:03.51 | Wobin | also, hehehe http://thedw.us/post/223156258/omg-adorbz-of-the-day-when-geeks-have-twins |
| 12:04.07 | Wobin | msoul, I'm running my shammy enh atm |
| 12:04.11 | Wobin | it's a whole lot of fun |
| 12:04.24 | msoul | Kalroth: i don't argue anymore with guild members who happen to say dw dps is good etc |
| 12:04.24 | Wobin | but kitty dps is fun too |
| 12:04.32 | Wobin | I found boomkin boring =( |
| 12:04.52 | Wobin | msoul, dw dps is good... if you can do it right =P |
| 12:05.03 | msoul | Wobin: yeah i think i will start doing that today, will combine the hailooms mail ap and sp |
| 12:05.29 | msoul | Wobin: i agree |
| 12:05.29 | ZorbaBeta | funny, I got 160% rested on one of my characters |
| 12:06.01 | Kalroth | What level? |
| 12:06.08 | Wobin | msoul, oh levelling? Enh is good |
| 12:06.08 | msoul | it has a boring rotation though and if a boss moves your dps drops dramatically |
| 12:06.24 | msoul | Wobin: yeah will start today will get the hairlooms even |
| 12:06.40 | Wobin | I levelled mine elemental |
| 12:06.46 | Kalroth | yup, I levelled my shaman as enhance, non-stop killing machine |
| 12:06.48 | Wobin | cause I dual specced healing |
| 12:06.55 | msoul | nice |
| 12:06.57 | Wobin | and there was more shared gear |
| 12:07.06 | msoul | i wish i can transfer all the goodies to it later |
| 12:07.15 | Wobin | But as enh, I have two tankards, and it's so much fun =) |
| 12:07.30 | msoul | would get blood fury i think the one handed axe from toc |
| 12:07.43 | msoul | actually, the shammy will be ready for the next expansion so i got a lot of time |
| 12:08.03 | msoul | will get professions maxed, reps etc for now |
| 12:08.17 | msoul | will go with insc/enchanting for the shammy :) |
| 12:08.28 | msoul | or ench and something else engineering even |
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| 12:10.07 | msoul | always like enchanting as a proff, didn't bother with it cause it is a pain |
| 12:10.33 | msoul | spent 3k or a bit more to max alchemy though |
| 12:11.09 | Kalroth | enchanting isn't that bad with vellums |
| 12:11.29 | Kalroth | can at least get some of the money back |
| 12:11.29 | ZorbaBeta | enchanting is also hilariously profitable maxed out |
| 12:11.30 | msoul | oh never had any problem with gold |
| 12:11.42 | ZorbaBeta | by far the most profitable with the least amount of effort |
| 12:11.49 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjRJeaNtxN4 |
| 12:11.52 | Wobin | <3 Felicia |
| 12:11.57 | Kalroth | ZorbaBeta: dunno, JC is pretty good too |
| 12:12.02 | msoul | i'd say JC is profitable |
| 12:12.23 | ZorbaBeta | JC's profitable, but you have to put a lot of effort into it to make it profitable |
| 12:12.28 | msoul | before i maxed alchemy bought a stack of endless rage by selling two gems |
| 12:12.29 | msoul | i don't even bother with AH much |
| 12:12.32 | msoul | true |
| 12:12.34 | ZorbaBeta | mostly running dailies to get tokens |
| 12:13.04 | ZorbaBeta | I wonder if there's any UI mods to help with jewelcrafting profitability |
| 12:13.08 | msoul | or you're smart enough to save all the titanium ores "like me" and prospect them :P |
| 12:13.12 | ZorbaBeta | the real slowdown for me is that I don't want to math, I just want to click |
| 12:13.16 | msoul | did that before the patch came to light |
| 12:13.25 | ZorbaBeta | msou, one-time profit there ;) |
| 12:13.28 | Kalroth | I got an alt with maxed JC, I've levelled from 71 to nearly 76 from the daily alone :p |
| 12:13.31 | msoul | hehe |
| 12:13.36 | ZorbaBeta | anyway, you coulda made a similar amount by buying them all up and then reselling them |
| 12:14.02 | msoul | i haven't sold anything from alchemy yet |
| 12:14.10 | msoul | don't know about the prices and if it procs |
| 12:14.58 | msoul | a dude told me if i guy wants you to make endless rage for him 5g per time and if it procs 10g or you keep it and give ghim that one you made |
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| 12:15.07 | msoul | i find it silly if it is true |
| 12:15.45 | ZorbaBeta | it depends, if they don't ask you if you're an elixir master I can see it being reasonable |
| 12:16.24 | msoul | so i get mats 5 gold per flask? 1+ if it procs? |
| 12:16.26 | msoul | 10 even |
| 12:16.30 | msoul | hmm |
| 12:16.57 | msoul | guess would make loads of gold from alchemy too :) |
| 12:17.14 | ZorbaBeta | Maybe. I've got a dude doing it for me in the guild, I just mail him a bunch of stuff and a flower ;) |
| 12:17.24 | msoul | hehehehe |
| 12:17.29 | ZorbaBeta | note that if you're actually dealing with other players, you end up burning a lot of time on it |
| 12:17.50 | msoul | the guildie took 10g from me for that tranform achievement for the event |
| 12:18.02 | msoul | laughed at him as i never take a dime from anyone i know of guildie |
| 12:18.22 | msoul | s/of/or |
| 12:19.16 | msoul | Wobin: do you pvp with the shammy? |
| 12:19.50 | Legorol | Interesting crash message on PTR: |
| 12:19.50 | Legorol | http://wowi.pastey.net/127251 |
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| 12:21.20 | Wobin | msoul, no, only as resto |
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| 12:21.23 | Kalroth | haha |
| 12:21.36 | Wobin | msoul, I have enough problems with lag than to play melee in BGs =) |
| 12:21.42 | Wobin | I learnt that lesson well with my rogue |
| 12:21.54 | msoul | oh :/ |
| 12:22.27 | Wobin | msoul, especially if I have to spend more than one gcd on a target that can move faster than me |
| 12:22.43 | Wobin | I also suck at pvp |
| 12:22.53 | msoul | hehe |
| 12:23.14 | msoul | i'm leaning more to pvping than raiding, less stress |
| 12:23.32 | msoul | i'm still having a problem finding a decent guild |
| 12:23.39 | msoul | toughie for a dk |
| 12:23.51 | Wobin | yeah |
| 12:23.56 | Wobin | dks are the new hunters |
| 12:24.00 | msoul | applied for last resort even they have 3 active dks |
| 12:24.08 | msoul | oh hunters are raising now |
| 12:24.46 | msoul | simply because of the starting lvl |
| 12:24.53 | msoul | who doesn't want to start from 55 :/ |
| 12:25.09 | msoul | i started last march playing wow |
| 12:25.36 | msoul | i didn't know much about classes etc before else i'd go with a priest/shaman or a rogue |
| 12:38.24 | Ginji | If you have a good guild there is no stress |
| 12:38.41 | Wobin | lol@arnie's letter |
| 12:38.41 | Ginji | If you have a guild that fails for dumb reasons, that is a problem |
| 12:41.19 | msoul | Ginji: agreed |
| 12:41.19 | msoul | Ginji: my main problem is finding a guild, hard for a dk to find one |
| 12:42.15 | Ginji | Hah! You're complaining? Everywhere I turn the rogue spots have been filled already |
| 12:42.17 | msoul | one of the guilds said "you do not have enough experience" i asked define experience he said you got this achievement last month "for instance" and we got it 2 months before that |
| 12:43.00 | msoul | so if you start today you're only option is to form a guild yourself and recruit the guildless |
| 12:43.09 | msoul | or those who want to start from scratch with you |
| 12:43.36 | Ginji | Or get Underachiever |
| 12:44.13 | msoul | i mean how can you tell if i am horrible or bad? i could be lucky to pug ulduar and get the ach |
| 12:44.42 | Ginji | Which is why you use underachiever |
| 12:44.42 | msoul | horrible or good |
| 12:44.44 | msoul | what's that |
| 12:45.03 | msoul | aw |
| 12:45.40 | Ginji | Underachiever takes care or randoms asking for achievements |
| 12:45.49 | msoul | you cannot fake achievement in an application |
| 12:46.11 | msoul | never thought about it and i don't see myself doing it.... good addon though :) |
| 12:46.14 | Ginji | Meh, a mere technicality |
| 12:47.33 | Ginji | Hurray! I enriched an addon with a useless addition! |
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| 13:25.15 | Melin_ | is there anyway to find out the speed of a mount using lua? |
| 13:28.06 | Lopeppeppy | like this addon? http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11186-SpeedyGonzales.html |
| 13:28.34 | Melin_ | checking.. |
| 13:29.10 | Lopeppeppy | I used "speed" as a keyword on the site, you may want to repeat that search for best results, on that site as well as other addon sites. |
| 13:29.14 | Melin_ | hmm.. no, I want to find out the speed of a mount before I call for it - getting the tooltip text of a mount would help |
| 13:31.00 | Melin_ | as in, need to find out if a mount is "This is a very fast mount" or not =) |
| 13:31.06 | Lopeppeppy | well, based on the mount itself, you'd know the speed % boost. |
| 13:32.31 | Lopeppeppy | Here's your API reference... http://wowprogramming.com/docs |
| 13:32.57 | Lopeppeppy | You can search the complete, or the category listing. I'm not overly-familiar, but if it exists, the function is in there. |
| 13:33.43 | Melin_ | well, getting the speed while mounted is not a problem.. I want to know what speed a mount has before I mount it.. but seems I'm gonna have to make a workaround or something |
| 13:34.13 | mitch0 | melin: build an id->speed map |
| 13:34.19 | mitch0 | sucks to maintain though |
| 13:34.26 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10563-EasyMount.html -- this one says it will pick your fastest, so it must have something in it you can look over. |
| 13:34.39 | Lopeppeppy | that was keyword "mount" on the site, by the way. |
| 13:35.00 | Gotai | Melin_, take a look at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11409-LonnyMountCast.html - iirc he uses tooltip scanning. |
| 13:35.09 | mitch0 | wtf .rar |
| 13:35.18 | Melin_ | will do, thanks all |
| 13:35.24 | Gotai | You just need an exception for the 310% mounts, as some/all have the same line as 280%. |
| 13:35.29 | Lopeppeppy | valid file compression, mitch0. WinRar or 7Zip to the rescue. |
| 13:36.19 | mitch0 | lopeppeppy: I just hateses .rar, partly "just because", partly 'cos it's not there by default on my desktop computer :) |
| 13:36.57 | Lopeppeppy | what you hate is not the concern of whomever packaged up their stuff. If you want to use their stuff, you have to unpack it. Let the buyer beware and so forth. |
| 13:37.04 | Aqua | run across enough rar files |
| 13:37.08 | Aqua | you'll just install winrar |
| 13:37.14 | Codayus_ | Or 7zip. |
| 13:37.16 | Aqua | and forget about installing anything else |
| 13:37.20 | Aqua | yea |
| 13:37.25 | mitch0 | lopeppeppy: that's all understood. won't use any .rar packaged addons though :) |
| 13:37.54 | mitch0 | if they package with rar, their code must suck, too :P |
| 13:37.55 | Codayus_ | Which is a significantly better choice than winrar for rar files. :) |
| 13:38.38 | Lopeppeppy | I'm always happy with AbsolutRayne's UI, and he uses .rar. It's just a file format, get over your hate. |
| 13:38.56 | mitch0 | no |
| 13:38.56 | Codayus_ | ...hmm, I see Lopeppeppy already suggested that. ...yeah, my excuse is it's almost 3am, and um...yeah. Nevermind. |
| 13:38.57 | mitch0 | :P |
| 13:39.27 | mitch0 | (actually, I try to stick to public-repo-available addons, the only exception right now is lightheaded and trinketmenu) |
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| 13:44.03 | alestane | Oh dear, what have I gotten myself into? http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20677331350&sid=1 |
| 13:45.38 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm? |
| 13:45.43 | Lopeppeppy | I don't see that you've gotten into anything? |
| 13:46.01 | alestane | Well, I hadn't read the thread when I posted the link, but read the title. |
| 13:46.02 | davis | hello |
| 13:46.14 | alestane | Admittedly someone else jumped into the breach before I got there. |
| 13:46.25 | Lopeppeppy | Ah... calling for you by name, how sweet! |
| 13:48.54 | mitch0 | eh, forums.wow-eruope.com <- fail |
| 14:07.57 | Melin_ | argh.. SetSpell() for tooltips wont work with CompanionSpellID.. :/ |
| 14:14.55 | Melin_ | anyone know how I can get the tooltip-info for the mounts? the addons Ive seen used the BagItem function, but.. since mounts no longer are stored in the bags that wont work |
| 14:19.26 | Lopeppeppy | look at more recent mount addons to see how they're getting their info now. |
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| 14:29.01 | Parks | morning |
| 14:30.25 | Lopeppeppy | heyo |
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| 14:37.47 | Ackis | opens Lopeppeppy's mail. |
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| 14:43.27 | Parks | dont pallies realize that no other tank has an LoH-like ability? |
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| 19:27.23 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.2.x ToC: 30200 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | "Buying gold makes baby murlocs cry." --Eyonix |
| 19:27.46 | Shirik | ~hug purl |
| 19:27.47 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs purl |
| 19:27.47 | mikma | shirik: cause i know you like twilight |
| 19:28.03 | batrick | mikma: that's awesome |
| 19:29.56 | cog|work | -zeen ... ose og nte ZP- tele an volk vasn- no te/p -e// wy plopo-a/ gol a hanama-e lehe-ics |
| 19:30.04 | Parks | mikma: cruelty to animals |
| 19:30.05 | cog|work | err... |
| 19:30.11 | cog|work | moves his right hand one key to the left |
| 19:30.26 | Dagmar | I was wondering WTF was going on there |
| 19:30.30 | cog|work | gotta love dvorak typos... almost looks like it was supposed to be intelligible |
| 19:30.57 | mikma | ~emulate cogwheel |
| 19:30.57 | purl | ^ |
| 19:31.07 | cog|work | lol |
| 19:31.20 | cog|work | overflows his stack |
| 19:31.29 | mikma | purl: no, emulate cogwheel is <reply> -zeen ... ose og nte ZP- tele an volk vasn- no te/p -e// wy plopo-a/ gol a hanama-e lehe-ics |
| 19:31.30 | purl | okay, mikma |
| 19:31.49 | Fisker | 30 minutes left |
| 19:32.15 | cog|work | transliterated: sweet ... one of the VPs here at work wants to help me sell my proposal for a database redesign |
| 19:33.58 | Dashkal | cog|work: at first glance, I thought you were typing out code in some bizarre functional language |
| 19:35.04 | cog|work | ~emulate mikma |
| 19:35.05 | purl | Jerub: It's broken, fix it! |
| 19:35.34 | cog|work | purl, ignore mikma |
| 19:35.35 | purl | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, mikma!" |
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| 19:36.57 | Shirik | hm |
| 19:36.59 | Shirik | I wonder |
| 19:37.02 | batrick | i wonder too |
| 19:37.09 | batrick | shirik |
| 19:37.11 | batrick | entertain me |
| 19:37.12 | Shirik | There should be a better architecture for handling recursive calls |
| 19:37.37 | Shirik | pushing all the registers and IP to the stack is quite heavy for most recursion |
| 19:37.57 | Shirik | especially when typically only one thing changes, if any |
| 19:38.13 | Shirik | batrick: I gave you entertainment |
| 19:38.17 | Shirik | Write an i7 in Verilog |
| 19:38.18 | Shirik | gogo |
| 19:38.23 | batrick | sounds like you want a better compiler not a better arch |
| 19:38.27 | batrick | fuck that |
| 19:38.43 | Shirik | no the problem is the architecture has the CALL and RET instructions which use the stack |
| 19:38.50 | Shirik | we want better instructions |
| 19:39.02 | Shirik | I guess CALL is just a simple way of PUSH PUSH ... JMP |
| 19:39.11 | batrick | hint hint -> DON'T USE CALL IN THE COMPILER LUL |
| 19:39.18 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:39.24 | batrick | :) |
| 19:39.46 | batrick | i want to make a new language like C but with closures |
| 19:39.48 | batrick | it's so easy too |
| 19:39.53 | Shirik | Yeah |
| 19:39.55 | Shirik | it's called C++0x |
| 19:40.02 | batrick | shirik |
| 19:40.09 | batrick | stop suggesting shit languages |
| 19:40.14 | Shirik | nou |
| 19:40.49 | batrick | JERK |
| 19:41.02 | batrick | is impatiently waiting for 9.10 to come out. |
| 19:41.27 | Shirik | 9.10 what? |
| 19:41.31 | Dashkal | Oh sweet, that's tomorrow. |
| 19:41.32 | batrick | ubuntu silly |
| 19:41.37 | Dashkal | I can finally fix my ubuntu install |
| 19:41.40 | Shirik | screw ubuntu |
| 19:41.45 | batrick | i can finally upgrade my desktop to 64 bit |
| 19:41.54 | batrick | shirik the winblows fan to the end |
| 19:41.56 | Shirik | upgrade to 128 bit |
| 19:42.01 | Dashkal | is ubuntu 64 actually useful now? (Granted my last attempt was 3 years ago) |
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| 19:42.09 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:42.12 | batrick | Dashkal: it is if you have > 4GB like me |
| 19:42.19 | Shirik | you know what Intel should do |
| 19:42.26 | Shirik | screw the whole 32 bit 64 bit thing |
| 19:42.29 | batrick | I installed 32 bit because of wow (even though 64 supposedly worked) |
| 19:42.32 | Dashkal | Only 1.5. And no intention of buying more. I want to upgrade the entire system |
| 19:42.34 | Parks | i tried to boot ubuntu from a cd but it would freeze ( i think ) at install |
| 19:42.36 | Shirik | just allow them to be chained processors |
| 19:42.41 | Dashkal | I run 32 bit code simply because I have less driver headaches |
| 19:42.45 | Shirik | you can make any number of bits you want |
| 19:42.49 | Fisker | i aint afraid of no zombie goasts Shirik |
| 19:42.49 | batrick | shirik |
| 19:42.51 | batrick | that's dumb |
| 19:42.55 | Shirik | What |
| 19:42.59 | Shirik | 1 bit processors already exist |
| 19:43.03 | batrick | hey did u fix ur parser yet |
| 19:43.07 | Shirik | yes! |
| 19:43.11 | batrick | o ya? |
| 19:43.12 | batrick | let me see it |
| 19:43.15 | Shirik | it was never broken |
| 19:43.16 | nevcairiel | I bet ubuntu has a multilib system as well, so you just need a wine that was compiled for 32-bit, and you can run wow again :P |
| 19:43.17 | batrick | (that's what she said) |
| 19:43.22 | batrick | bull shit shirik |
| 19:43.26 | Shirik | it works! |
| 19:43.30 | batrick | but it's wrong |
| 19:43.34 | Shirik | it does not take additional slots |
| 19:43.40 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: I did manage to get wine running, but my god was that a pain in the ass. |
| 19:43.44 | batrick | (surprise surprise it's not mutually exclusive!) |
| 19:43.52 | Shirik | what else is wrong then |
| 19:43.53 | batrick | but it's still wrong! |
| 19:43.54 | kd3 | it's a lot easier on fedora. the multilib is a bit saner there |
| 19:43.57 | Dashkal | getting a 32 bit compiled version of wine was amazingly not-simple |
| 19:43.57 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: shrug, binary distros ftl :P |
| 19:44.06 | Shirik | "it's wrong. I have no idea what's wrong, but you couldn't possibly have done it right!" |
| 19:44.09 | Dashkal | If you're advocating gentoo... *shudder* |
| 19:44.12 | Dashkal | use flags can DIAF |
| 19:44.12 | kd3 | 's been running wine32 on fedora x64 for a long time |
| 19:44.18 | batrick | you are using too many stack slots |
| 19:44.21 | batrick | for the operation |
| 19:44.23 | nevcairiel | they actually give you a 64-bit wine if you install 64-bit ubuntu? |
| 19:44.23 | Shirik | resists the urge to kick Dashkal |
| 19:44.32 | Shirik | how do you figure batrick |
| 19:44.34 | nevcairiel | do they actually realize you can *only* run native win64 apps with it? |
| 19:44.42 | batrick | because you only need one and yet you use 2 |
| 19:44.43 | Dashkal | Shirik: I fled gentoo for debian testing thanks to those evil flags |
| 19:44.49 | Shirik | I only use 1 |
| 19:44.54 | batrick | let me see your parser! |
| 19:45.10 | Shirik | you'll see it when I post it to lua-l! |
| 19:45.17 | Shirik | a year later |
| 19:45.24 | batrick | there better be a credit for me |
| 19:45.29 | batrick | and an apology for calling me fisker |
| 19:45.30 | batrick | ! |
| 19:45.30 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: the flags are the best thing ever, you can actually control the deps of packages yourself, instead of letting some silly package maintainer tell you what to use |
| 19:45.35 | nevcairiel | its nothing for lazy people, though |
| 19:45.38 | Shirik | Credit to batrick for consistently saying it's broken |
| 19:45.39 | Dashkal | Sometimes I miss ebuild, though. So easy to patch a program and still have it use the system package |
| 19:45.45 | batrick | jerk! |
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| 19:45.47 | Shirik | :P |
| 19:45.55 | Dashkal | nevcairiel: The problem is if you fiddle enough you end up with a not-so-stable system |
| 19:46.00 | Dashkal | Like I couldn't upgrade due to compile failures |
| 19:46.10 | nevcairiel | never happend to me |
| 19:46.22 | Dashkal | Happened to me three times. Third time I went back to binaries |
| 19:46.45 | Shirik | hugs nevcairiel |
| 19:46.49 | Shirik | gentoo ftw |
| 19:46.54 | Dashkal | I suppose I could look into it again. It's been years. They've had time to improve things. |
| 19:47.10 | Shirik | actually portage did have a huge upgrade last year |
| 19:47.15 | Shirik | since then I have had much better results |
| 19:47.16 | nevcairiel | I even run a full unstable system, and i have no issues at all .. i wonder how people really break it so much, but lurking in #gentoo .. its amazing :P |
| 19:47.42 | Dashkal | hmm, I think I will then. I'm about to clean reinstall my linux drive anyway, why not |
| 19:48.18 | Parks | can you download steam games that you bought on other computers? |
| 19:48.23 | Shirik | yes |
| 19:48.25 | nevcairiel | I do go by a minimalist approach though, so i disable more useflags then i enable |
| 19:48.33 | Shirik | me too :) |
| 19:48.36 | Shirik | but it's a server |
| 19:48.37 | Shirik | so.. |
| 19:49.09 | Dashkal | How good is their amd64 port? Or am I still better off just pretending I'm x86? |
| 19:49.09 | nevcairiel | Dashkal: also i recommend unlocking portage 2.2, its still hard-masked so 2.1 gets final testing, but some features are so smooth to use |
| 19:49.20 | nevcairiel | amd64 is actually better maintained :P |
| 19:49.24 | Dashkal | kk |
| 19:49.27 | nevcairiel | more developers working on it |
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| 19:49.41 | nevcairiel | and wine works with no issues! |
| 19:49.42 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 19:49.49 | nevcairiel | just don't set the win64 useflag :p |
| 19:50.01 | ChrisGo | wow works best on Windows 7 why bother |
| 19:50.02 | Shirik | there's a win64 use flag? |
| 19:50.18 | Dashkal | That'll be downloading awhile |
| 19:50.21 | nevcairiel | yeah it builds wine native 64, so it can only run 64-bit win apps |
| 19:50.24 | Shirik | oh for wine |
| 19:50.25 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:50.29 | Parks | ChrisGo: best? |
| 19:50.36 | ChrisGo | yes |
| 19:50.39 | ChrisGo | perfect |
| 19:50.44 | Ackis | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:50.44 | Dashkal | No torrent? lame |
| 19:50.45 | kd3 | `yum install wine.i586` |
| 19:50.46 | kd3 | poof |
| 19:50.47 | Ackis | I love my job |
| 19:51.03 | ChrisGo | Ackis: grats |
| 19:51.03 | Adys | Shirik: how do i flag one of my addons as discontinued? |
| 19:51.06 | Adys | on wowi |
| 19:51.14 | Shirik | um |
| 19:51.20 | Parks | Ackis: whats your job? |
| 19:51.28 | Shirik | I'm not sure we have that capability |
| 19:51.31 | Ackis | Parks: reading legislation atm :P lol |
| 19:51.34 | Shirik | we can disable addons entirely but um |
| 19:51.42 | Parks | heh |
| 19:51.43 | Shirik | that's not preferable |
| 19:51.50 | ChrisGo | Ackis: that sounds really boring |
| 19:52.06 | ChrisGo | So this is a channel for people that want to build addons in wow? |
| 19:52.14 | Adys | well I got a 1 year old addon here which doesnt work with wotlk and Im not planning to update it at all |
| 19:52.29 | Shirik | I can move it to outdated if you want |
| 19:52.36 | Adys | 9328 |
| 19:52.38 | Parks | and i'm just here for the fish |
| 19:52.44 | Parks | err pizza |
| 19:52.58 | Dashkal | ChrisGo: And discussion of pie/cake |
| 19:53.09 | ChrisGo | I want to build an addon but everythign has been built what should I make? |
| 19:53.10 | kd3 | one of which is a lie |
| 19:53.19 | kd3 | start with something simple, get your feet wet |
| 19:53.28 | Shirik | done |
| 19:53.30 | ChrisGo | with perl, auctioneer and dominos I mean whats left |
| 19:53.40 | kd3 | whatever you think needs to be written/improved |
| 19:53.41 | Adys | thanks |
| 19:53.53 | Shirik | ~laziness |
| 19:53.54 | purl | LAZINESS: The quality that makes you go to great effort to reduce overall energy expenditure. It makes you write labor-saving programs that other people will find useful, and document what you wrote so you don't have to answer so many questions about it. Hence, the first great virtue of a programmer. |
| 19:54.04 | Shirik | If you cannot fit that definition, you should not try to reinvent the wheel |
| 19:54.04 | ChrisGo | did you see that the dominos dev was included in making the UI for the new razor mouse with the numbers on it? |
| 19:54.41 | ChrisGo | Shirik: nice :) |
| 19:55.00 | nevcairiel | tuller sold himself out to the razer devs? |
| 19:55.03 | nevcairiel | i refused :P |
| 19:55.07 | Shirik | I didn't hear that one |
| 19:55.16 | ChrisGo | it's true |
| 19:55.22 | ChrisGo | looking up link |
| 19:55.27 | Shirik | nevcairiel: go yell at him :P |
| 19:55.29 | Parks | Shirik: thats laziness? man ive been doing it wrong :( |
| 19:55.42 | nevcairiel | they contacted me too, asking for help designing a specified actionbar addon for their new mouse |
| 19:56.01 | nevcairiel | but i was too busy at the time |
| 19:56.43 | nevcairiel | although they would've send me one of their mice |
| 19:56.58 | Mikk | woo. |
| 19:57.04 | Mikk | the rewards we get |
| 19:57.07 | Mikk | amazing they are |
| 19:57.20 | kd3 | wait, wait... rewards? |
| 19:57.23 | Mikk | is emo because of headache and tired |
| 19:57.25 | nevcairiel | i don't like razer mice anyway |
| 19:57.27 | Mikk | will go to bed now |
| 19:57.42 | ChrisGo | i guess they work woth a branded version of dominos |
| 19:57.42 | Shirik | nevcairiel... where are the overall use flags again? |
| 19:57.43 | Shirik | I can't find them :( |
| 19:57.52 | ChrisGo | so the mouse buttons can run wow buttons |
| 19:57.58 | Arrowmaster | which mouse was it we were making fun of the guy on the blizzcon stream about |
| 19:58.02 | nevcairiel | Shirik: make.conf |
| 19:58.12 | nevcairiel | Shirik: although you should try to keep that list short :P |
| 19:58.15 | ChrisGo | i bet he got PAID |
| 19:58.23 | Shirik | I never use it anyway |
| 19:58.24 | Shirik | :P |
| 19:58.28 | Shirik | I was just curious what's in it |
| 19:58.35 | Shirik | (note that I don't even know where it is...) |
| 19:58.42 | nevcairiel | i only put big stuff in there |
| 19:58.48 | nevcairiel | like the X useflag |
| 19:59.06 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:59.11 | Shirik | USE="-X -nls bash-completion -berkdb -dvd -cdrom" |
| 19:59.14 | Fisker | my raid is almost done Shirik |
| 19:59.17 | Fisker | do you hear me? |
| 19:59.20 | nevcairiel | hm well actually it has grown over time for me |
| 19:59.34 | Shirik | oh I remember this file now |
| 19:59.36 | Ackis | apparently I get to redo my wireless network tonight :( |
| 19:59.47 | Shirik | this is where I do MAKE_OPTS="-j5" and EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="-av" |
| 19:59.50 | nevcairiel | USE="xinerama xattr -networkmanager fam fontconfig apache2 gnutls idn -gnome -kde thunar zsh-completion xfce branding acpi mmx mmxext sse sse2 ssse3 -ipv6 alsa pulseaudio dbus hal samba X consolekit truetype opengl startup-notification gnome-keyring libnotify jpeg png svg gif tiff gstreamer xscreensaver gtk vim-syntax qt3support" |
| 19:59.51 | Dagmar | Someone figured out your WEP key? |
| 19:59.54 | nevcairiel | :o |
| 20:00.01 | kd3 | yay xfce |
| 20:00.08 | Ackis | Dagmar: no, xbox360 wireless adapter now supports WPA2 |
| 20:00.10 | Shirik | -kde :( |
| 20:00.13 | Dagmar | Ah! |
| 20:00.17 | Dagmar | That's good |
| 20:00.24 | Arrowmaster | Ackis: it didnt before? |
| 20:00.34 | Dagmar | Might be simpler to just chuck that nasty xbox out tho |
| 20:00.35 | Ackis | Arrowmaster: nope it didn't |
| 20:00.37 | Shirik | what happened to "I turn everything off" nevcairiel :P |
| 20:00.41 | Ackis | Dagmar: nevar! |
| 20:00.46 | Dagmar | The adapter is USB right? You can still use it. ;) |
| 20:00.47 | ChrisGo | how do i make an addon that wins everything for stupid people? |
| 20:00.52 | Shirik | The only positive use flag I have is bash-completion :P |
| 20:00.55 | Shirik | (global use flag) |
| 20:01.00 | ChrisGo | like DBM but it actually clicks stuff |
| 20:01.00 | kd3 | you can't. that hasn't been possible since 2006 |
| 20:01.01 | Ackis | Dagmar: yah it's USB but the software never supported WPA2 |
| 20:01.08 | nevcairiel | Shirik: most of those are just basic desktop functionality <.< |
| 20:01.17 | nevcairiel | i didnt want to use the desktop profile |
| 20:01.19 | ChrisGo | kd3 oh |
| 20:01.19 | Shirik | however I loled at the line underneath it |
| 20:01.21 | Shirik | APACHE2_MODULES="actions alias auth_basic authn_alias authn_anon authn_dbm authn_default authn_file authz_dbm authz_default authz_groupfile authz_host authz_owner authz_user autoindex cache dav dav_fs dav_lock deflate dir disk_cache env expires ext_filter file_cache filter headers include info log_config logio mem_cache mime mime_magic negotiation rewrite setenvif speling status unique_id userdir usertrack vhost_a |
| 20:01.27 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:01.31 | Shirik | I don't think I need all that... |
| 20:01.34 | nevcairiel | i only have a MPM line |
| 20:01.40 | nevcairiel | and kept default modules |
| 20:01.43 | Dagmar | ChrisGo: You give them a dialog box that says "Click here to WIN" and when they click it it does a /raidwarning text of "A WINNER IS YOU!" and plays the level up gong |
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| 20:01.57 | Shirik | omg |
| 20:01.59 | Grum | you can bruteforce most WEP keys within a day :) |
| 20:02.01 | Shirik | that should totally be my first XBox game |
| 20:02.03 | Dagmar | ChrisGo: I dare you to find someone who wouldn't click that at least three times |
| 20:02.05 | Shirik | thanks for the idea Dagmar |
| 20:02.06 | ChrisGo | thats a great idea |
| 20:02.12 | Dagmar | Heheh |
| 20:02.14 | ChrisGo | can I have it send me all their gold? |
| 20:02.20 | Dagmar | ChrisGo: Probably |
| 20:02.26 | ChrisGo | double WIN |
| 20:02.44 | ChrisGo | thats a little scary |
| 20:03.01 | Dagmar | If you wanted to make a point you'd be less likely to get banned if you made them send you an empty COD mail demanding 30c from you |
| 20:03.14 | Shirik | And here is why C# is completely and utterly flawed |
| 20:03.15 | ChrisGo | so if the author of postal gets pissed at the world he can actually do stuff like that with a huge fan base? |
| 20:03.20 | Shirik | I create a new XBox 360 project |
| 20:03.23 | Shirik | deafult settings |
| 20:03.24 | Dagmar | You could send back mails congratulating them on winning |
| 20:03.45 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/127260 |
| 20:03.53 | Dagmar | ChrisGo: If he doesn't mind hiding from the eleven million or so WoW players capable of beating the crap out of him, sure |
| 20:03.56 | Shirik | We register like 20k globals in |
| 20:04.03 | Shirik | What the hell is the purpose of a namespace if you're going to do this |
| 20:04.17 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: i want nethack for 360 |
| 20:04.32 | ChrisGo | namespace is just for lazy people |
| 20:04.40 | Dagmar | Shirik: WHatcha need to do is take a dictionary, saw off the spine and the leading edge, then throw it into the air next to the coder in question |
| 20:04.40 | ChrisGo | c# is awesome |
| 20:04.48 | Shirik | ... what? |
| 20:04.54 | Shirik | namespaces are very good |
| 20:05.03 | Dagmar | Now you point a gun at their head and say "TELL ME WHAT ANTIDILUVIAN MEANS M*TH*RF*CK*R!" |
| 20:05.05 | ChrisGo | saves time typing asd.asd.asd |
| 20:05.07 | Shirik | and C# is a great concept, but horribly implemented idea |
| 20:05.16 | Shirik | ChrisGo: And in a few months, lets you go "what the fuck is asd" |
| 20:05.26 | Shirik | or better yet |
| 20:05.35 | nevcairiel | if you're so lazy, you can still import the namespace :p |
| 20:05.39 | Shirik | in a few months, lets you go "oh great, now I have 3 different asds. Which one is it?" |
| 20:05.39 | Grum | your IDE will tell you, you can only code C# with an ide! |
| 20:05.42 | Dagmar | Next you take the AN section and throw it into a shoebox and repeat the process |
| 20:05.53 | Dagmar | They will no longer abuse global namespace |
| 20:06.02 | Shirik | The problem is C# DOESN'T let you import a single element (in all cases) |
| 20:06.09 | Shirik | it kinda lets you |
| 20:06.14 | Shirik | but it's not possible in all situations |
| 20:06.23 | Shirik | and is recommended against by Microsoft |
| 20:06.29 | Grum | that smells :) |
| 20:06.46 | Shirik | in C++, I commonly do something like "using IDEA::Database::SelectQuery;" |
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| 20:06.47 | Dagmar | Probably because doing just one element represents the same lack of planning as exporting everything |
| 20:06.52 | Shirik | in the SelectQuery.cpp implementation |
| 20:06.55 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: so is D, great concept but still failing to be more than just a great concept after years |
| 20:06.57 | Shirik | that's fine |
| 20:07.08 | Shirik | "using namespace std;" <-- not fine |
| 20:07.25 | Shirik | of course, Java is even worse |
| 20:07.44 | Shirik | "the java.lang package is special. You get everything from there automatically." |
| 20:07.53 | Shirik | I love conflicting constraints |
| 20:08.08 | Shirik | "Class String gets a + operator. But you can't make your own operators. We can because we're Sun." |
| 20:08.19 | Dagmar | heh |
| 20:08.33 | Dashkal | Use scala :P |
| 20:09.32 | Dashkal | I'm loving it. Works great with OSGi as well. |
| 20:09.52 | Shirik | Do all 360 games really run in .NET? |
| 20:10.03 | Arrowmaster | probably |
| 20:10.07 | Shirik | that's scary |
| 20:10.23 | zenzelezz | why? |
| 20:10.25 | Shirik | Admittedly, Microsoft has come a long way from their XBox original implementation of "All games run in kernel mode!" |
| 20:10.25 | Arrowmaster | although the 360 is a powerpc |
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| 20:10.35 | zenzelezz | it's not as scary as seeing games running on MFC |
| 20:10.40 | Shirik | lol MFC |
| 20:10.44 | kd3 | eeeeek |
| 20:10.51 | kd3 | eeks again |
| 20:10.54 | Shirik | I remember learning MFC |
| 20:11.02 | Shirik | I had this beautiful chart of MFC posted in my room |
| 20:11.10 | nevcairiel | i never bothered to really learn MFC |
| 20:11.28 | zenzelezz | "All games run in kernel mode!" <-- probably a nice optimisation, no jumping from user land to kernel land and back ;) |
| 20:11.30 | nevcairiel | i was just writing librarys and console apps back then :P |
| 20:11.38 | Shirik | zenzelezz: Hackers liked it too :) |
| 20:11.44 | Shirik | it was a win-win situation |
| 20:11.49 | kd3 | hugs his xbmc box |
| 20:12.27 | Shirik | nevcairiel: I wrote up this awesome Warhammer system on MFC |
| 20:12.41 | Shirik | helps you pick out an army based on points available |
| 20:12.44 | Shirik | and what you have |
| 20:12.52 | Arrowmaster | wish i had a wireless adapter for my original xbox so i could put xbmc on it and put it in another room |
| 20:12.53 | Shirik | I wanted to add support for pictures but could never figure it out |
| 20:13.12 | nevcairiel | MFC was just silly |
| 20:14.37 | Shirik | I was in like 7th grade when I learned MFC |
| 20:14.41 | Shirik | what was that |
| 20:14.49 | Shirik | 10 years ago |
| 20:14.50 | Shirik | scary |
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| 20:15.24 | Shirik | so random question |
| 20:15.33 | zenzelezz | I stopped trying to learn MFC pretty quickly. The "model/view" thing just confused me at the time |
| 20:15.41 | Shirik | how is DST implemented in WoW? Do they handle it like QNX where they double/half the time rate for an hour? |
| 20:15.53 | Shirik | I guess for 2 hours |
| 20:15.53 | Shirik | whatever |
| 20:16.00 | Shirik | no, 1 hour |
| 20:16.05 | nevcairiel | i would say it just jumps |
| 20:16.18 | Shirik | wouldn't that piss off the database though? |
| 20:16.30 | Shirik | I don't know their implementation obviously |
| 20:16.35 | nevcairiel | if they are smart the DB is in UTC |
| 20:16.41 | Shirik | ah good point |
| 20:16.55 | nevcairiel | like any unix timestamp is |
| 20:17.05 | nevcairiel | the DST happens on locale conversion |
| 20:17.23 | Dagmar | nevcariel: You'd be amazed at hoe many people mess that up and don't use epoch time |
| 20:17.30 | Arrowmaster | well they had that DST bug for how long with the daily reset timer? |
| 20:17.46 | Shirik | well doesn't time() give the local time? |
| 20:17.50 | Shirik | It's like gmtime() or something for UTC |
| 20:17.57 | Dagmar | gmtime is what you should always be using |
| 20:18.17 | Dagmar | local time format should only be used for decoration (ie, showing the user) |
| 20:18.35 | ZorbaBeta | woot, just got Mask for All Occasions :D |
| 20:18.44 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/226064696 |
| 20:18.46 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: U HAX! |
| 20:18.52 | ZorbaBeta | ^^ |
| 20:19.00 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/10/top-12-internet-scams-2000s/ |
| 20:19.04 | Adys | i need that shirt |
| 20:19.22 | Dagmar | Shirik: Failing to do so leads to things like http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7418 |
| 20:19.44 | ZorbaBeta | if wowhead is accurate, I'm the fourth person worldwide to get it. |
| 20:19.56 | Adys | wowhead is not accurate |
| 20:19.57 | Dagmar | THat guy's system is broken in ways I can't even fathom, but now I'm kinda digging through Myth seeing how long it's going to take to slap all those routines into proper shape |
| 20:20.00 | nevcairiel | wowhead counts achievements now? |
| 20:20.03 | Adys | i learned that a while ago |
| 20:20.21 | Gnarfoz | their profiler probably does |
| 20:20.23 | ZorbaBeta | http://www.wowhead.com/?profiles&filter=cr=23;crs=0;crv=284 |
| 20:20.24 | Adys | also ZorbaBeta i strongly doubt thats the case |
| 20:20.27 | ZorbaBeta | I don't know how complete their profiler is |
| 20:20.32 | Gnarfoz | and... you're, at best, the 4th wowhead-user to get it |
| 20:20.44 | Adys | I'm at 16/20 masks |
| 20:20.50 | Adys | and I have done ~ 30 shots this halloween |
| 20:20.56 | ZorbaBeta | not necessarily, they might just scrape the armory in bulk |
| 20:21.14 | Dagmar | That would take ages |
| 20:21.25 | nevcairiel | can you even get a list of all players? |
| 20:21.26 | ZorbaBeta | not really. there's a significant number of sites that already do it. |
| 20:21.39 | nevcairiel | I thought only based on guilds |
| 20:21.53 | Dagmar | Like unguilded people matter |
| 20:21.56 | Dagmar | heh |
| 20:22.11 | nevcairiel | like on wowprogress you have to register your guild once for it to show up |
| 20:22.16 | ZorbaBeta | nev, no, but I think you can get lists of guilds in a few different ways, then scrape all the players off those, then watch those players for new guilds showing up. |
| 20:22.16 | Dagmar | Oh I saw the best way to completely destroy a guild this week |
| 20:22.16 | Arrowmaster | zoot wouldnt confirm if i was the first person worldwide to get the valentines day meta |
| 20:22.23 | Adys | oh |
| 20:22.28 | nevcairiel | at least used to be like that |
| 20:22.30 | Adys | and 15/20 |
| 20:22.32 | Adys | on my level 5 |
| 20:22.36 | Dagmar | Last week $coworker's guild leader gave two hammer shards to non guild healers without even a roll being called for |
| 20:22.54 | zenzelezz | :-o |
| 20:23.12 | Dagmar | When questioned about it, the guild leader posted to their forums that he didn't think it was an issue because none of their healers would be clearing Ulduar in the near to middling future so there was no poing in giving them the shards for a hammer they won't get |
| 20:23.48 | Ginji | He was right wasn't he |
| 20:23.53 | Dagmar | Yeah. |
| 20:23.55 | Ginji | I mean, the guild disbanded |
| 20:24.01 | Dagmar | They'll all be in other guilds that _are_ going to clear it now. |
| 20:24.16 | Arrowmaster | did the other healer already have shards? |
| 20:24.17 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure they'll be healerless within the week |
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| 20:24.48 | Dagmar | I'd have gquit just on the basis of not at least giving them a chance |
| 20:24.52 | Adys | This wave is experiencing some slight turbulence, and may explode. If you don't wanna explode, please re-open the wave. Some recent changes may not be saved. |
| 20:24.55 | Adys | i dont wanna explode :( |
| 20:25.10 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, I've got a friend who's a tank in a guild that's somewhat serious about raiding. He showed up for raid and the GL said "Yeah, I could let you raid, but I'm gonna let a friend of mine who isn't in the guild take your place instead. Sorry! :D" |
| 20:25.15 | nevcairiel | then re-open? :d |
| 20:25.24 | Gnarfoz | funny thing is, Adys, if you click to get the full error-message, you can't click the re-open button anymore |
| 20:25.39 | ZorbaBeta | Same thing happened next week. |
| 20:25.43 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: Someone _desperately_ needs to learn about sign-ups and respecting them |
| 20:25.57 | Dagmar | Otherwise he's going to be trawling LFG to pug a main tank for Ulduar |
| 20:26.02 | ZorbaBeta | The week after, the GL was shocked when the tank went and got saved to a PUG instead. That week, the guild run didn't happen, because it turned out the GL's friend didn't feel like raiding. |
| 20:26.06 | Adys | yes you can Gnarfoz |
| 20:26.11 | Adys | oh that is one SEXY interface |
| 20:26.21 | Gnarfoz | Adys: I couldn't when I added you |
| 20:26.40 | Dagmar | Ah the fail when raiding guilds try to half-ass casual-style |
| 20:27.39 | Dagmar | What would fix this is if there was a way to become invalidated for rolls instead of just being locked out |
| 20:27.58 | NeoTron | what would fix it is people not being dumb |
| 20:28.03 | NeoTron | D M B |
| 20:28.37 | Ackis | NeoTron: people will never not be dumb |
| 20:28.42 | Ackis | look at me |
| 20:28.43 | Ackis | look at Fisker |
| 20:28.52 | Ackis | look at the assholes in my guild |
| 20:28.53 | Ginji | There is no excuse for stupidity! |
| 20:29.07 | Ginji | There are no stupid questions, only stupid people |
| 20:29.07 | Dagmar | "Chinese-made children's toys" |
| 20:29.08 | Ackis | Ginji: I thought the excuse was "I'm an american"? |
| 20:29.35 | Dagmar | ...or "all the smart britons got killed off in WWII trench warfare" |
| 20:29.38 | NeoTron | then what's Fisker 's excuse? |
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| 20:29.48 | Ginji | Lack of oxygen during birth |
| 20:30.04 | NeoTron | fair enough |
| 20:32.01 | ZorbaBeta | wow, I have absolutely no reason to trick or treat now |
| 20:33.09 | NightHawkTheSane | you, er, did before? |
| 20:33.16 | Adys | i need to finish getting the candy buckets asap |
| 20:33.18 | Fisker | what about me Ackis ? |
| 20:33.35 | Adys | still feralas, mudsprocket and everlook left in kalimdor |
| 20:33.37 | Adys | and all of outland |
| 20:35.49 | ZorbaBeta | nighthawk, I wanted the achievement :D |
| 20:36.52 | Adys | see I was kinda looking forward to HE this year |
| 20:37.01 | Adys | because i too did want the achievement |
| 20:37.15 | Adys | but in fact its a completely retarded one |
| 20:38.33 | Adys | its an achievement on par with veteran nanny... if you are hardcore |
| 20:38.52 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: You still get _candy_ |
| 20:40.01 | Adys | veteran nanny is guaranteed after three years of doing 6 quests |
| 20:43.44 | Ginji | Has it been three years already |
| 20:44.41 | NeoTron | dare to refuse to do boring holiday "tasks" |
| 20:44.47 | Adys | its been 4 years for childrens week |
| 20:44.49 | NeoTron | that's my motto |
| 20:45.34 | Ginji | Oh right, I got it last year |
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| 20:52.38 | ZorbaBeta | candy is worthless though :P |
| 20:54.49 | theorbtwo | They actually seem like pretty nice buffs for me, at fairly low level. |
| 20:54.59 | ZorbaBeta | ah, the buff candy ain't bad |
| 20:55.03 | ZorbaBeta | but it's also time-limited |
| 20:55.16 | ZorbaBeta | and I don't have much time to play right now, I certainly wouldn't get around to using up the candy in any efficient manner |
| 20:55.17 | theorbtwo | The apples actually seem quite nice, and auto-scale. |
| 20:55.32 | ZorbaBeta | the scaling stuff is nice also, but it's barely nice enough to be worth slots in my incredibly crowded inventory |
| 20:55.36 | theorbtwo | Yeah, I've thrown out most of my candy. |
| 20:55.36 | Dagmar | Candy and efficiency? |
| 20:55.39 | Dagmar | You're doing it wrong. |
| 20:55.46 | ZorbaBeta | it's certainly not nice enough to spend the time trick-or-treating for ;) |
| 20:59.17 | Dagmar | I just wish one of them were attack power |
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| 21:15.48 | Arrowmaster | http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/10/28/schwarzenegger-gives-california-legislature-a-hidden-finger/ |
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| 21:26.04 | Dashkal | Epic |
| 21:27.23 | cog|work | "Thereâs a 550MHz Texas Instruments OMAP3430 processor, separate PowerVR GPU, 256MB of RAM, CDMA Rev A., Wi-Fi, GPS, a digital magnetometer, accelerometer, proximity sensors, a 5 megapixel autofocus camera with dual-LED flash, notification LED, four touch-sensitive navigation buttons, a slide-out full QWERTY keyboard, 3.5mm headset jack, microUSB port |
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| 21:27.55 | cog|work | sweet baby jeebus do want droid |
| 21:28.04 | zenzelezz | which one is that? |
| 21:28.10 | cog|work | hereâs a 550MHz Texas Instruments OMAP3430 processor, separate PowerVR GPU, 256MB of RAM, CDMA Rev A., Wi-Fi, GPS, a digital magnetometer, accelerometer, proximity sensors, a 5 megapixel autofocus camera with dual-LED flash, notification LED, four touch-sensitive navigation buttons, a slide-out full QWERTY keyboard, 3.5mm headset jack, microUSB port |
| 21:28.15 | cog|work | err |
| 21:28.18 | cog|work | ~lart copy/paste |
| 21:28.18 | purl | judo chops copy/paste |
| 21:28.22 | cog|work | http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/10/23/motorola-droid-preview/ |
| 21:28.31 | zenzelezz | ah, that one |
| 21:28.45 | zenzelezz | quite a few nice Android phones coming over the next year or so |
| 21:31.08 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: no mention of battery life >< |
| 21:31.09 | Arrowmaster | i was looking at the click or something |
| 21:31.32 | Arrowmaster | but droid and verizon |
| 21:31.43 | Sarkp | what http://wcbstv.com/worldseries/word.series.sex.2.1276936.html |
| 21:32.00 | Sarkp | is that really necessary? |
| 21:32.16 | NightHawkTheSane | i wonder if i can get an unlocked droid and use it with t-mobile |
| 21:32.49 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 21:32.58 | Sarkp | NightHawkTheSane: why? |
| 21:33.00 | Arrowmaster | verizon doesnt use gsm so thats not a gsm phone |
| 21:33.09 | Arrowmaster | t-mobile and att are gsm |
| 21:33.11 | NightHawkTheSane | because i dont want to switch to verison |
| 21:33.15 | NightHawkTheSane | verizon* |
| 21:33.30 | Sarkp | thats why you get an iphone |
| 21:33.41 | NightHawkTheSane | i also don't want to switch to att. |
| 21:34.05 | Sarkp | oh my bad i missread |
| 21:34.23 | Arrowmaster | that article says the droid is the opposite of the CLIQ, does that mean they are saying the CLIQ is bad? |
| 21:35.10 | NightHawkTheSane | well, the cliq didn't look that amazing. :P |
| 21:37.17 | Arrowmaster | they were hyping up the cliq when it was first being shown |
| 21:38.25 | Sarkp | laaaame AC 2 is out in 2010 |
| 21:38.28 | klip | hi ppl, sorry for asking question ppl ask here many times, but I just have a raid and I have a problem here and not time to google it etc... Today some addons stopped working at all... they are checked in game, I have load out of date addons checked and for example Elkano's Buff Bars and Ice Hud not working at all |
| 21:38.32 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: 6.4 hours of talk time if i'm remembering correctly from another site... |
| 21:39.21 | jpmorgan | icehud working for me np |
| 21:39.40 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: why don't you want to switch to verizon? (modulo cancellation fees) |
| 21:39.56 | klip | yeah, it was working this morning for me... nothing changed and now it is not :) |
| 21:40.45 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: i'm fairly happy with t-mobile. i'm not really convinced that verizon would offer any kind of improvement. |
| 21:42.06 | Shirik | batrick: You will love this verilog code I just wrote |
| 21:42.10 | zenzelezz | hm, looks like Sony Ericsson's Rachael may be just around the corner |
| 21:42.12 | zenzelezz | drools |
| 21:42.57 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/127269 |
| 21:44.19 | foxlit | That's not how you indent that. |
| 21:45.19 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: verizon has much better coverage, esp in rural areas |
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| 21:46.15 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 21:46.44 | Shirik | why not foxlit :( |
| 21:46.57 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: there are huge swaths around the bay area without any T-Mobile coverage where you'd at least be able to get spotty verizon |
| 21:47.03 | foxlit | Looks crap! |
| 21:47.55 | foxlit | http://wowi.pastey.net/127270 << much more readable. |
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| 21:48.07 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: i don't generally travel far outside t-mobile's service area though. So that's never particularly bothered me. |
| 21:57.56 | cog|work | oh and yeah huh there's a mention of battery life :P |
| 21:58.27 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, actually when i looked through the article a second time i saw that: ) |
| 21:58.43 | NightHawkTheSane | must have missed it the first time |
| 21:58.51 | zenzelezz | battery life isn't too much of a problem as long as you can use regular USB chargers; just plug it in whenever you're near a computer |
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| 22:01.17 | Shirik | foxlit: had to adjust it |
| 22:01.28 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/127272 |
| 22:01.57 | Arrowmaster | what the hell, it costs $30 more to go from 2 line to 3 lines on verizons most expensive family plan |
| 22:02.17 | zenzelezz | lines? |
| 22:02.34 | Arrowmaster | yeah number of phones on the same account |
| 22:02.57 | Arrowmaster | att is like $10 per additional phone and i think tmobile was $5 from what i was seeing on its site |
| 22:03.34 | Arrowmaster | and what the fuck is with charging extra for mobile email when you already have an unlimited data plan |
| 22:04.27 | ScytheBlade1 | because people are bad and will buy that anyway |
| 22:11.24 | Cide- | that makes no sense Shirik |
| 22:11.39 | Shirik | :( why |
| 22:11.47 | Cide- | if just then ... else: MIDDLE_C_JUST or D_JUST or ..._JUST |
| 22:11.54 | Cide- | one would think it'd be the opposite |
| 22:12.12 | Cide- | anyway, off to bed. night! |
| 22:14.09 | Shirik | You can't do that Cide |
| 22:14.18 | Shirik | bah |
| 22:14.30 | Shirik | oh |
| 22:14.31 | Shirik | crap |
| 22:14.33 | Shirik | cide wins |
| 22:14.41 | Adys | No |
| 22:14.43 | Adys | Python wins |
| 22:15.22 | Shirik | negative |
| 22:15.28 | Shirik | python never wins |
| 22:15.36 | kd3 | sure it does |
| 22:15.42 | kd3 | import soul; |
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| 22:28.28 | Sarkp | so why is MW2 $60? |
| 22:28.46 | A-KO | because it can be |
| 22:29.01 | Sarkp | true |
| 22:29.50 | Fisker | hey Sarkp |
| 22:30.01 | Sarkp | yes? |
| 22:30.06 | Fisker | fuck you |
| 22:30.10 | Dashkal | Bugs *sigh* I wanted my demo now. *pouts* |
| 22:30.11 | Fisker | That's why |
| 22:30.32 | Sarkp | Fisker: |
| 22:30.42 | Sarkp | looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool |
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| 22:30.48 | Fisker | :3? |
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| 22:31.51 | Sarkp | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Computing |
| 22:41.11 | NightHawkTheSane | http://yudkowsky.net/other/fiction/npc |
| 22:41.42 | foxlit | InCombatLockdown() should return true even if run from a macro, right? |
| 22:41.55 | ScytheBlade1 | er, yes? |
| 22:42.10 | alestane | Try /dump InCombatLockdown(). |
| 22:42.54 | mikma | scytheblade1: whats the time in there? |
| 22:43.59 | ScytheBlade1 | 4:45 |
| 22:44.43 | mikma | heh, 5 more |
| 22:45.03 | ScytheBlade1 | http://steamcommunity.com/games/L4D2/events/55327883716288366 |
| 22:45.15 | NightHawkTheSane | i wish it was 4:45 here. |
| 22:45.37 | mikma | 0:45am here |
| 22:46.38 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: umm, should have been released 45mins ago? or? |
| 22:47.07 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: no, i mean i wish it was that time so i could go home. :P |
| 22:47.12 | jpmorgan | hmm /lfr (looking for raid) coming |
| 22:47.18 | NightHawkTheSane | wtb /lfh? |
| 22:47.56 | jpmorgan | Xrealm raiding too. neat. haha they've increased size of ignore list |
| 22:48.02 | mikma | scytheblade1: how do we get our bats? |
| 22:48.08 | Melin_ | hm.. isnt there any really nice and artistic UI's out there? something along the lines of: http://forum.sverok.se/download/file.php?id=284 |
| 22:48.13 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: automatic |
| 22:49.00 | mikma | scytheblade1: is there some proper info about it yet? everyone gets a bat if one has preordered? only that one gets it? |
| 22:49.10 | ScytheBlade1 | anyone who preorders |
| 22:49.18 | mikma | i mean |
| 22:49.20 | ScytheBlade1 | if someone who preorders is in a game, everyone in the game gets it |
| 22:49.34 | mikma | thats bullshit wah wah |
| 22:49.43 | mikma | hows that exclusive |
| 22:50.26 | mikma | nighthawkthesane: oh, i meant to say the 45min thing to scytheblade1, sozzz |
| 22:52.20 | NightHawkTheSane | bah! |
| 22:53.04 | foxlit | "We're celebrating the who breaking free of the what? Bah, who cares?! More candy!" |
| 22:54.47 | *** join/#wowuidev Pewpewarrows (n=Pewpewar@c-68-33-19-176.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 22:55.28 | mikma | hahahahahaha |
| 22:55.37 | mikma | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/cartographer3.aspx |
| 22:55.44 | mikma | priceless comments |
| 22:58.12 | Adys | i dont get it. |
| 22:58.51 | mikma | he says that the .zip file is a trojan |
| 22:59.12 | Adys | and is it? |
| 22:59.16 | mikma | yet another QuestHelper -addon that steals your account |
| 22:59.45 | mikma | well get it and see |
| 22:59.50 | Adys | cba |
| 22:59.59 | mikma | atleast the one i got is cartographer3 |
| 23:01.03 | Dagmar | Probably his machine is infected and his crap scanner is detecting what the virus is doing to all incoming files |
| 23:01.34 | mikma | ya =D |
| 23:01.55 | mikma | or ckk is as cool coder than zorbabeta is, codes viruses in .lua |
| 23:01.58 | *** join/#wowuidev BWMerlin (n=chatzill@58.174.148.250) |
| 23:02.54 | Adys | you know i found it all that time very arrogant to instantly dismiss that qh made the client crash, right? |
| 23:02.55 | Dagmar | It's possible the commenter was talking about the URL that ghost bloke pasted |
| 23:02.59 | Dagmar | Gravving it now |
| 23:03.23 | mikma | <0059> <mikma> atleast the one i got is cartographer3 |
| 23:06.20 | tem | some guy just asked me to link my onyxia achievement so I linked him my full tier 2 set |
| 23:06.37 | mikma | noob |
| 23:06.56 | Antiarc | tem: hahahah, excellent. |
| 23:07.00 | Dagmar | mikma: Unless the arrow.blp is infected, that user is on crack |
| 23:07.07 | *** join/#wowuidev ArrowmasterClass (i=8c6ac023@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/ResponsibleForEverythingAndNothing/Arrowmaster) |
| 23:07.16 | mikma | dagmar: i agree. crack. |
| 23:07.51 | Dagmar | Now, it' spossible that his site is set up to hand out a trojan to every 100th visitor, but if that turns out to be the case it'll be time to forbid linking to ANY files offsite |
| 23:07.58 | ArrowmasterClass | FUCKING POWER OUTAGE |
| 23:08.07 | ZorbaBeta | there's various exploits that can hide themselves inside the structure of package files |
| 23:08.08 | Adys | YEAH SON OF A FUCK |
| 23:08.13 | Adys | THOSE SHITTY FUCKING POWER OUTAGES |
| 23:08.20 | ZorbaBeta | I don't know if .zip is one that's been found vulnerable to that, but it might be. |
| 23:08.20 | Adys | TOTALLY FUCKING AGREE HERE |
| 23:08.25 | ArrowmasterClass | my little p3 server at home is still off from the power outage this morning |
| 23:08.26 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: I just went over that zip file with gnu file |
| 23:08.30 | ArrowmasterClass | so i cant ssh in |
| 23:08.37 | ArrowmasterClass | im using freenodes shitty webchat |
| 23:08.40 | Dagmar | ...and there's nothing unaccounted for in the zip file |
| 23:08.55 | tem | Antiarc, complete with ZG enchants :) |
| 23:08.59 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, does gnu file rip the structure of the zip itself apart, or just look over the files contained within it? |
| 23:09.13 | Dagmar | I can unzip the file and rezip it |
| 23:09.27 | mikma | i uploaded the .zip to kasparky(something) online scanner |
| 23:09.33 | Adys | odds are the av is wrong |
| 23:09.34 | Adys | thats all |
| 23:09.44 | ArrowmasterClass | so whats up? |
| 23:09.54 | mikma | arrowmasterclass: penis |
| 23:09.56 | Adys | cartographer has a virus |
| 23:10.04 | ArrowmasterClass | no it doesnt |
| 23:10.09 | Adys | and about 300k accounts have been lost |
| 23:10.28 | Dagmar | hehehe |
| 23:10.36 | cbreak | addons can't have viruses. |
| 23:10.37 | *** join/#wowuidev Vilkku (n=Vilkku@88.193.199.46) |
| 23:10.43 | cbreak | they are text and media |
| 23:10.49 | ArrowmasterClass | which cart and from where? |
| 23:10.50 | NightHawkTheSane | tem: epic. ;) (pun intended) |
| 23:11.03 | Dagmar | Yes, but that doesn't mean some jackhole can't put a setup.exe in there and J. Random Dimwit won't click on it |
| 23:11.03 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: YOU'RE text and media |
| 23:11.07 | ZorbaBeta | technically speaking you could make the same claim of webpages ;) |
| 23:11.24 | Adys | cbreak: I can embed a virus in a gif file, or code one in python |
| 23:11.25 | cbreak | they are, if you use a sane browser |
| 23:11.27 | Adys | isnt that text and media? |
| 23:11.34 | cbreak | (like one that has noscript:) |
| 23:11.41 | ArrowmasterClass | you can make javascript viruses |
| 23:11.42 | Adys | noscript is NOT "sane" |
| 23:11.50 | cbreak | Adys: wow doesn't understand gif or python :) |
| 23:12.07 | Adys | tbfh I think you could infect a tga/blp file |
| 23:12.17 | Adys | particularly blp as its a wrapper format |
| 23:12.19 | cbreak | maybe. |
| 23:12.37 | cbreak | tga has little metadata, if they screw up that format's parser :/ |
| 23:12.43 | ZorbaBeta | you mean a browser other than Firefox, right? http://www.mozilla.org/security/known-vulnerabilities/firefox35.html |
| 23:13.08 | Adys | you know theres this shitty, retarded rumour that javascript makes your browser less secure |
| 23:13.14 | ZorbaBeta | as any program gets more complicated, it starts blurring the line between "dead data" and "potentially security-vulnerable data". |
| 23:13.20 | ZorbaBeta | that is just sort of what it does. |
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| 23:14.25 | Dashkal | Alrighty. Gentoo livecd booted |
| 23:14.34 | cbreak | noscript also blocks flash. (Probably the most security holed plugin currently in use) |
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| 23:14.44 | ArrowmasterClass | this guy still hasnt created a clone repo of cart3 like i told him to |
| 23:15.08 | Dagmar | So there's a pretty fair possibiility that he's got a sneaky webserver giving people trojans |
| 23:15.20 | Dagmar | ...but the odds are probably higher he simple doesn't know how to do that |
| 23:15.28 | Adys | cbreak: noscript does not improve your security, period |
| 23:15.39 | Adys | if you want to disable flash... disable flash |
| 23:15.48 | Adys | dont screw around with plugins that themselves have security vulnerabilities |
| 23:15.51 | cbreak | I want to selectively enable it |
| 23:16.00 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: yes, the one on the quest tracker to turn it on/off |
| 23:16.18 | ArrowmasterClass | noscript has security vulnerabilities? |
| 23:16.21 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, ah, nice. tell her thanks for the feedback, sometimes it's really hard to tell what's liked and what isn't :) |
| 23:16.22 | Adys | had |
| 23:16.25 | cbreak | if I wanted to completely turn off java script or plugins that would be easy |
| 23:16.30 | cbreak | but many things rely on them |
| 23:16.33 | Adys | the author went fucknuts over some shitty ads a while ago |
| 23:16.39 | ArrowmasterClass | oh that |
| 23:16.40 | ZorbaBeta | (pretty much any change is responded to with some amount of screaming in panic, I end up judging based on the amount of screaming half the time) |
| 23:16.43 | Adys | he started doing workarounds for his own site |
| 23:16.45 | Adys | and his own site got infected |
| 23:17.07 | ArrowmasterClass | i remove his own shit from the whitelist |
| 23:17.08 | Dagmar | This is why you turn off the bullshit feature that lets a website specify which parts of it should be exempted |
| 23:17.17 | Adys | no |
| 23:17.24 | Adys | this is why you dont install noscript |
| 23:17.30 | Adys | this is exactly why you dont even install firefox |
| 23:17.42 | Dagmar | That probably means you get to keep using IE. |
| 23:17.45 | Dagmar | Way to go. |
| 23:17.56 | Adys | I've been on chrome for a year almost |
| 23:17.57 | Dagmar | Incredibly measured and well-thought out response, that. |
| 23:18.17 | Adys | and as it matters, yea, firefox is not secure for many reasons |
| 23:18.29 | Dagmar | So, in that time, what public exploits have been affecting Firefox that didn't also affect Chrome |
| 23:18.29 | Adys | mozilla has this tendency of keeping dead code around a long time |
| 23:18.43 | Adys | um, ZorbaBeta gave you a link |
| 23:18.44 | Dagmar | Mozilla is not Firefox. |
| 23:18.55 | Adys | so? |
| 23:19.03 | ArrowmasterClass | mozilla was the first to fix the null character ssl attack that still effects IE |
| 23:19.09 | Adys | an application cant "keep dead code" |
| 23:19.12 | ArrowmasterClass | in 1 day |
| 23:19.14 | cbreak | I think IE fixed it too |
| 23:19.16 | Adys | a company coding the application does |
| 23:19.45 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, that actually *is* a page about Firefox vulnerabilities, though |
| 23:20.01 | ZorbaBeta | you can tell because the title says, in enormous red letters, "Security Advisories for Firefox 3.5" |
| 23:20.08 | ArrowmasterClass | cbreak: they hadnt not that long ago when there was the article about paypal locking the account of the guy that disclosed that bug |
| 23:20.13 | Adys | either way, mozilla keeps dead code around for a long time, which increases a lot of potential risks |
| 23:20.17 | Adys | their good devs are long gone |
| 23:20.34 | Adys | and they're in a feature streak "add add add add add" |
| 23:20.38 | cbreak | ArrowmasterClass: I think they locked the account not because he disclosed the bug |
| 23:20.48 | Dagmar | cbreak++ |
| 23:20.49 | cbreak | but because some people demonstrated that by faking a paypal cert |
| 23:21.17 | ArrowmasterClass | it was a non fuctioning example |
| 23:21.23 | Adys | secondly, chrome's UI is in html |
| 23:21.28 | Adys | not in a shitty pseudoxml language |
| 23:21.37 | ArrowmasterClass | but somebody did a functioning one before they locked his account |
| 23:21.40 | Dagmar | The leprechauns told you that did they? |
| 23:21.42 | ArrowmasterClass | not him though |
| 23:21.45 | Adys | believe it or not thats a hell of a lot more secure |
| 23:22.45 | ZorbaBeta | how in javascript somehow completely secure when a relatively-parsable xml format isn't? :P |
| 23:22.47 | ZorbaBeta | *how is |
| 23:23.00 | Adys | ff's ui uses js too |
| 23:23.06 | Adys | not only its ui, its entire backend |
| 23:23.10 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: ...because the leprechauns say so. |
| 23:23.27 | ZorbaBeta | Sure. But you just said that Javascript was secure and disabling Javascript didn't help anything at all. |
| 23:23.37 | Adys | and xul is a pseudo language |
| 23:23.43 | Adys | it has its own security vulnerabilities |
| 23:23.55 | ZorbaBeta | And, okay, you want to claim that a ridiculously complex scripting language is somehow provably secure when given arbitrary malicious input, then, sure, you can do that |
| 23:24.16 | Dagmar | So, could you perhaps direct us to a definition of "pseudo-language"? |
| 23:24.24 | ZorbaBeta | but now you're turning around and claiming that xul, a language that to the best of my knowledge *doesn't even have possible malicious input*, is *insecure* |
| 23:24.47 | ZorbaBeta | and that strikes me as a hell of a double standard. |
| 23:24.51 | Adys | ZorbaBeta: Firefox addons are one hell of a malicious input |
| 23:25.00 | Jerub | xul is two things layered - firstly it's valid and well formed xml, secondly it's a description language that describes appearance and semantics of a user interface. |
| 23:25.00 | ZorbaBeta | They are, but the easy solution is to *not install them* |
| 23:25.06 | ZorbaBeta | and they are not claimed, at any point, to be secure |
| 23:25.14 | Dagmar | I was always under the impression that pseudo-code is written from pseudo-languages, and can't be parsed by machines. |
| 23:25.18 | ZorbaBeta | so at that point you're already giving up and the firefox devs tell you so. |
| 23:25.28 | Adys | so you're saying the best defense against a virus is not to download it? |
| 23:25.30 | Adys | damn |
| 23:25.33 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 23:25.35 | Adys | ive been doing things right all along |
| 23:25.38 | ZorbaBeta | The question is not whether firefox with a bunch of wacky addons installed is secure. We know it isn't. The question is whether Firefox is secure. |
| 23:25.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Little bit of a stretch there |
| 23:25.41 | Jerub | Adys: that's ALWAYS been the best defence. |
| 23:25.57 | Adys | ScytheBlade1: Sorry it just looks like its smartass day all round |
| 23:26.03 | Adys | Im participating! |
| 23:26.06 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 23:26.10 | Jerub | "foreign diskette? take it to the librarian to be scanned before you use it on school computers" |
| 23:26.15 | ScytheBlade1 | perhaps |
| 23:26.31 | cbreak | foreign? racist! |
| 23:26.40 | Dagmar | I thought it was "flagrant unsupportable claims" day |
| 23:26.44 | cbreak | you should treat all the same |
| 23:26.46 | Dashkal | I'll foreign your diskette? |
| 23:26.51 | Jerub | Dashkal: in my pants! |
| 23:27.00 | kd3 | winces |
| 23:27.04 | Dashkal | Better. In your socks |
| 23:27.05 | Dagmar | "Diskettes? Soda isn't allowed in the library you know." |
| 23:27.14 | Adys | to sum it up. chrome addons are sandboxed, and run with html/js, same language as the ui AND the content, in a zip file |
| 23:27.17 | kd3 | ah for the days of boot sector viruses and TSRs |
| 23:27.34 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: I had a boot sctor virus back in the day! |
| 23:27.36 | A-KO | at one point a boot secotr virus made me have 636K of conventional ram :P |
| 23:27.36 | ScytheBlade1 | NYB! |
| 23:27.42 | Dashkal | Now it's hypervisors and trojans? |
| 23:27.57 | cbreak | I doubt there's anything in the wild that uses hypervisors |
| 23:27.58 | Adys | firefox addons are not sandboxed, run on xul/js, UI runs on xul+html+js, content can run xul, in multiple possible archive formats |
| 23:28.05 | Dagmar | Adys: So explain the Flash plugin for Chrome |
| 23:28.09 | cbreak | (besides the legitimate things like vmware) |
| 23:28.16 | Adys | plugins are in their own sandbox, Dagmar |
| 23:28.23 | Dagmar | Yes, so? |
| 23:28.35 | Dagmar | The Flash plugin can be exploited under Chrome just like it can be in FF |
| 23:28.39 | Adys | so.. they're not, in ff |
| 23:28.41 | Adys | no |
| 23:28.44 | Adys | not "just like" |
| 23:28.44 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 23:28.45 | ArrowmasterClass | cbreak: xbox360 uses a hypervisor |
| 23:28.48 | Dagmar | Oh yes. |
| 23:28.53 | Adys | vulnerabilities can affect both |
| 23:28.54 | cbreak | right... drm. |
| 23:28.59 | Adys | but most can't get past the sandbox |
| 23:29.13 | Dagmar | You should spend some time actually playing with these evil sites. |
| 23:29.22 | Dagmar | There's a reason I use a whitelist antivirus |
| 23:29.24 | Adys | in ff, you got one single bad flash file in one of your tabs, it can access every other tab |
| 23:29.34 | Dagmar | So what |
| 23:29.50 | ZorbaBeta | can't a bad flash file simply potentially access your *computer*? |
| 23:29.54 | Dagmar | I would think that the fact that it can now run executable code from foreign sources to be a MUCH BIGGER ISSUE. |
| 23:29.54 | kd3 | don't go browsing porn when you're at your bank's website? |
| 23:29.55 | Adys | so what? its called a security vulnerability when a malicious program can access non-sandboxed data |
| 23:29.57 | cbreak | it can access the file system when it uses a flash vulnerability |
| 23:30.00 | ZorbaBeta | I mean, the flash player is a program. it's just executable. |
| 23:30.03 | Adys | ZorbaBeta: no, not in ff either |
| 23:30.06 | ZorbaBeta | and once you can do that, bizam, you have access to the tabs |
| 23:30.23 | cbreak | crome does some crazy things |
| 23:30.29 | cbreak | memory separation |
| 23:30.30 | Adys | the player runs in a wrapper |
| 23:30.32 | Adys | well under linux anyway |
| 23:30.35 | Dagmar | This is like complaining that someone can just reach into your pocket after your pants have fallen down. |
| 23:30.42 | cbreak | I don't know if chrome is already out on os x |
| 23:30.49 | ArrowmasterClass | Adys: you can do that with ff in linux too |
| 23:31.02 | Adys | Arrowmaster: yeah Im talking about the player, not chrome |
| 23:31.10 | ArrowmasterClass | thats how you use the 32bit plugin on a 64bit firefox |
| 23:31.12 | Adys | you cant really do otherwise on 64bit too |
| 23:31.23 | Dashkal | wtf? gentoo install console lacks du/df |
| 23:31.24 | Adys | believe me ive been there |
| 23:31.29 | cbreak | but I read it will use sandbox-exec |
| 23:31.39 | ArrowmasterClass | theres a 64bit linux flash now |
| 23:31.42 | ArrowmasterClass | for FF |
| 23:31.49 | cbreak | so the thread that does the plugins has no access to the file system or the network at all |
| 23:31.59 | Dagmar | Because multilib is WAY too much fucking trouble just to get flash |
| 23:32.05 | Dagmar | I mean seriously |
| 23:32.06 | Adys | besides i really dont see why people still want to keep firefox |
| 23:32.12 | cbreak | firefox rocks |
| 23:32.18 | cbreak | (lots of shiny plugins) |
| 23:32.31 | Dagmar | Adys: Because they've got no seriously compelling reason to ditch it |
| 23:32.32 | Adys | you know chrome has plugins too. |
| 23:32.32 | Dashkal | ahh, no, my system just went berserk |
| 23:32.39 | Dagmar | It works. It's updated and maintained openly. |
| 23:32.40 | Dashkal | Nothing exists all of a sudden |
| 23:32.45 | cbreak | chrome is from the big evil |
| 23:32.48 | Adys | Dagmar: the daily complaints i hear about ff disagree |
| 23:33.10 | Dagmar | Adys: Perhaps you should start filtering gripes for sanity |
| 23:33.22 | Dashkal | well, that was fun, but I think I want a new dvd drive before I even think of reinstalling my linux os |
| 23:33.28 | Dagmar | We just saw a complaint that a zip file full of text contains a binary trojan |
| 23:33.42 | Dagmar | I guess that's a mark against text-filled zip files being unsafe |
| 23:33.55 | cbreak | chrome's not out for os x yet |
| 23:33.58 | kd3 | was it full of copies of the eicar test file? |
| 23:34.00 | ScytheBlade1 | lua>(1280*3)/(1920*2) |
| 23:34.00 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 1 |
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| 23:36.16 | Dagmar | kd3: X5O!P%@AP[4\PZX54(P^)7CC)7}$EICAR-STANDARD-ANTIVIRUS-TEST-FILE!$H+H* OMGGETINTHECARITSALION! |
| 23:36.39 | kd3 | lol |
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| 23:37.35 | Dagmar | Just go ahead and stick that into the EXIF field of your IM icon |
| 23:37.38 | Dagmar | Let the lulz begin |
| 23:38.02 | Jerub | Dagmar: evil :/ |
| 23:38.05 | Jerub | :D |
| 23:38.10 | Dagmar | Oh it's hilarious |
| 23:38.20 | Dagmar | Anything that triggers on it you can just _know_ is doing things wrong |
| 23:38.37 | cbreak | it's supposed to trigger. |
| 23:38.41 | cbreak | it's a test file |
| 23:39.23 | Dagmar | Not when it's in a non-executable field |
| 23:39.39 | Dagmar | Anything treating EXIF or GIF comments as executable is seriously flawed |
| 23:40.13 | Jerub | my favourite trick to test virus scanners is to put a zip file at the end of other data and see if it works |
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| 23:40.14 | Dagmar | Plus, you're _supposed_ to use it to test, but take it back out of the database when you're done |
| 23:40.14 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 23:40.30 | Dagmar | Otherwise it's just generating false positives every time someone Googles to find out about it |
| 23:41.12 | cbreak | virus scanners like to look as if they are worth the money paid for them |
| 23:42.01 | Dagmar | People responsible for scanners watching 20,000 people or more browse the web at once like to *shoot* reps for vendors who work like that |
| 23:42.23 | Dagmar | Damn you FDA! |
| 23:42.34 | Dagmar | YOU'VE driven me to this! http://myclovecigarettes.com/djarum-black-p-168.html |
| 23:46.11 | haste | faddict! |
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| 23:48.26 | ArrowmasterClass | whats a good site for creating online surveys |
| 23:48.28 | Dagmar | Actually, I'd rather have Djarum Specials, but they were only being sold in the US to begin with so that line is dead. |
| 23:48.50 | Dagmar | ...so it's either the Blacks or back to homocidal mania. |
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