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| 00:01.20 | cbreak | that's spaghetti |
| 00:01.33 | cbreak | why do you create new textures every time you try to change them? |
| 00:01.42 | cbreak | you are aware that you can't destroy old textures, right? |
| 00:02.34 | baco | thats a point |
| 00:02.52 | baco | how would you change changing the color of a frame then? :) |
| 00:03.02 | cbreak | where's the problem? |
| 00:03.07 | cbreak | SetTexture |
| 00:03.14 | baco | how do you destroy old textures? |
| 00:03.21 | cbreak | not |
| 00:03.23 | cbreak | can't |
| 00:03.30 | cbreak | do a /console reloadui if you must |
| 00:03.47 | Torhal | You want to keep a handle on the textures you've already made so you can re-use them |
| 00:04.01 | cbreak | maybe bliz added new functions for those in 3.0 |
| 00:04.10 | cbreak | but in the old times, you just keep the textures for later |
| 00:04.15 | baco | i see |
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| 00:04.35 | baco | thank you you helped me a lot |
| 00:05.12 | cbreak | if you want to read code of an addon that creates dozens or hundreds of textures, take a look at my addons ArtPad or BarTracker :) |
| 00:05.39 | baco | but i do need a frame before i can create a texture, right? |
| 00:05.42 | cbreak | yes |
| 00:05.53 | baco | will any frame do? |
| 00:05.54 | cbreak | you have to put them somewhere after all |
| 00:05.55 | cbreak | ys |
| 00:05.56 | baco | a dummy frame? |
| 00:06.02 | cbreak | no |
| 00:06.15 | cbreak | only real frames |
| 00:06.22 | cbreak | textures are part of frames |
| 00:06.33 | cbreak | don't mix them with off-screen textures such as in open gl |
| 00:06.46 | cbreak | you can't do stuff like rendering into them |
| 00:06.49 | cbreak | or similar things |
| 00:07.02 | cbreak | it's more an encapsulation of a bitmap or solid color |
| 00:07.20 | baco | so if i wanted 2 frames and 5 colors, how would i create those template color textures then? |
| 00:07.45 | cbreak | describe more |
| 00:09.03 | baco | fictional example: one frame for my health, one frame for my pets health. the health is displayed from green (full health), orange (medium health), red (low health). |
| 00:09.42 | cbreak | one texture per frame |
| 00:09.45 | cbreak | change color of texture |
| 00:09.52 | cbreak | tip: use StatusBar frame |
| 00:10.10 | cbreak | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API#StatusBar |
| 00:10.29 | Vlakarados | there is a great addon to show how it's done |
| 00:10.48 | Vlakarados | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9505-aStatusBars.html |
| 00:11.00 | cbreak | I use that in ElementalFlux. AN addon you probably never heard of :) |
| 00:11.10 | baco | well thanks so far, i never thought it would be that complicated |
| 00:11.17 | cbreak | it's easy |
| 00:11.21 | cbreak | if you know what to do :) |
| 00:11.45 | baco | yes, i'm done for the next half hour ... checking out what you said. thanks so far. |
| 00:11.47 | kd3 | there's hoops you've gotta learn to jump through. once you get that, it's easy to extend it to other parts of the ui |
| 00:12.12 | kd3 | at least the learning curve for most of it isn't an inverted L like other parts of the UI... |
| 00:12.28 | cbreak | secure template stuff |
| 00:12.35 | kd3 | winces |
| 00:12.38 | cbreak | the new secure stuff stuff :/ |
| 00:12.45 | cbreak | UIDropDownMenu stuff |
| 00:13.14 | Thunder_Child | does the dwarf racial stoneform cleen bleads? |
| 00:13.19 | cbreak | yes |
| 00:13.19 | Thunder_Child | clean* |
| 00:13.21 | WobWork | yes |
| 00:13.33 | cbreak | poison and bleed effects |
| 00:13.33 | WobWork | kd3: I hear the new secure stuff is much more palatable =) |
| 00:13.36 | cbreak | and makes you immune for 8 secs or so |
| 00:13.39 | cbreak | was nice on huhuran |
| 00:13.52 | kd3 | winces at the mention of huhupants |
| 00:13.55 | kd3 | talk about a brick wall, that |
| 00:14.04 | cbreak | she was easy |
| 00:14.07 | cbreak | compared to twins trash :( |
| 00:14.10 | cbreak | *shiver* |
| 00:14.11 | kd3 | if you had the NR |
| 00:14.14 | kd3 | we didn't |
| 00:14.22 | cbreak | we did :) |
| 00:14.31 | cbreak | but people sucked at not wiping the raid at the trash after her |
| 00:14.36 | kd3 | yay running mara to get nr gear before they added the crafted crap |
| 00:17.01 | kd3 | pre-emps trash was bad, though... post-emps trash was worse |
| 00:17.58 | Vlakarados | ignis trash pre-fix was the best |
| 00:18.17 | Shirik | fix? |
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| 00:18.27 | kd3 | s/fix/nerf/ |
| 00:18.36 | Vlakarados | there was a hotfix as I remember |
| 00:18.48 | baco | you have got very cool addons cbreak :) |
| 00:18.55 | kd3 | that nerfed the living daylights out of them |
| 00:19.02 | Vlakarados | yeah |
| 00:19.07 | cbreak | tech demos :) |
| 00:19.09 | Vlakarados | not many guilds got past them |
| 00:19.21 | cbreak | we got past them |
| 00:19.22 | kd3 | Hotfix (2009-04-17): "For the trash leading up to Ignis the Furnace Master, the Magma Rager's Superheated Winds have had their speed reduced. The normal mode Molten Colossus have had the cooldown of Pyroblast increased. [5]" |
| 00:19.22 | cbreak | some |
| 00:19.27 | cbreak | with divine bubble |
| 00:19.30 | cbreak | for 12 seconds |
| 00:20.00 | NeoTron | that eternal fire though, was really dumb |
| 00:20.11 | kd3 | and really goddamn annoying |
| 00:20.14 | NeoTron | "ok group up by the teleporter and teleport when you get it" |
| 00:20.26 | NeoTron | so much funs |
| 00:20.34 | Vlakarados | yeah, this fire raped the raid like hell |
| 00:21.05 | Shirik | [Bamboo] EcoEagles IDEA Build - IDEA Trunk Build build 24 has FAILED (0 tests failed, possible compilation error). Change made by Matthew Del Buono |
| 00:21.05 | Shirik | T_T |
| 00:21.09 | Shirik | stupid SVN |
| 00:21.16 | Shirik | committed changes to the wrong place |
| 00:21.26 | kd3 | haha. yay for the blame module |
| 00:21.31 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 00:27.03 | Kraps | SPOILER ALERT snape kills arthas |
| 00:27.21 | WobWork | dear god =( |
| 00:28.29 | Kraps | sorry, i warned you |
| 00:29.08 | baco | a statusbar without texture is not possible? |
| 00:29.59 | Vlakarados | http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mchomut |
| 00:30.06 | Vlakarados | lol |
| 00:30.21 | cog|away | are in-game "yards" reasonably accurate relative to character sizes? |
| 00:30.42 | NeoTron | Shirik: don't blame on software what you can blame on incompetence! |
| 00:30.47 | Vlakarados | looks like blizz liked the slimes in naxx after patchwerk |
| 00:30.58 | baco | it worked! cbreak :) using the statusbar thingie and everthing behaves like it should :)) |
| 00:30.59 | Shirik | NeoTron: Totally the software's fault |
| 00:31.01 | Shirik | not mine at all |
| 00:31.15 | cbreak | you can set it to a solid color |
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| 00:33.08 | Ancu | Hello All |
| 00:33.13 | Ancu | how is everyone? |
| 00:33.19 | baco | how cbreak? if i dont specify a texture, the statusbar is not visible. isnt SetStatusBarColor(0, 1, 0, 1) correct? |
| 00:33.21 | baco | hi Ancu |
| 00:33.59 | cbreak | if you can't find an other way, just use a 1 by 1 pixel texture |
| 00:34.03 | cbreak | or something similarly small |
| 00:34.07 | cbreak | I think there's a minimal size |
| 00:34.32 | cbreak | oh, and color is not the same as texture |
| 00:34.37 | cbreak | I use both at the same time |
| 00:34.51 | cbreak | it's like OpenGL's vertex color with textures |
| 00:35.03 | Vlakarados | isn't it 2x2? |
| 00:38.30 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: ping |
| 00:39.29 | baco | bye everyone, and thanks for your help, especially cbreak *waves* |
| 00:39.41 | cbreak | bye |
| 00:40.45 | Shirik | I really need a new email client I think |
| 00:40.49 | Shirik | is Thunderbird still good? |
| 00:40.59 | Ancu | Yes |
| 00:41.26 | Ancu | and get the lightning addon, good schedualing, connects with google cal if you download google provider |
| 00:43.08 | Shirik | |
| 00:43.08 | Shirik | This message has a digital signature. The digital signature could not be validated because the S/MIME control is not available. |
| 00:43.10 | Shirik | I lol @ u outlook |
| 00:43.39 | cogwheel | you know what i hate about flying on a gryphon? I keep thinking i'm on a flightpath and stop paying attention...-_- |
| 00:43.41 | Ancu | outlook sucks in comparison to thunderbird |
| 00:43.50 | Ancu | lol |
| 00:44.13 | Ancu | Thats what you get for playing alliance, lol |
| 00:44.17 | Ancu | j/k |
| 00:44.24 | cogwheel | :P |
| 00:44.53 | Vlakarados | I like gmail's web interface |
| 00:45.27 | Vlakarados | it's convinient |
| 00:45.31 | Ancu | Its okay, if you have high speed, the html one is not bad for dialup |
| 00:45.34 | cogwheel | wtb wave imo :P |
| 00:45.37 | NeoTron | outlook is not an email program |
| 00:45.42 | NeoTron | it doesn't even do email threading |
| 00:45.50 | Vlakarados | cogwheel google waves? |
| 00:45.55 | cogwheel | *nod* |
| 00:46.15 | Vlakarados | yeah |
| 00:46.18 | Vlakarados | cool thing |
| 00:46.20 | durcyn | i was supposed to get a wave invite, i need to start breaking kneecaps |
| 00:46.22 | Shirik | wtb cogwheel's google name |
| 00:46.35 | cogwheel | i got voice but no one has called me :'( |
| 00:46.44 | NeoTron | lol |
| 00:46.48 | cogwheel | (except of course me) |
| 00:46.58 | NeoTron | We're considering getting rid of our landline one of these days |
| 00:46.59 | Vlakarados | first heard about it half year ago, but no updates since then |
| 00:47.09 | Shirik | I have google voice too |
| 00:47.11 | cogwheel | Shirik: l2starfish |
| 00:47.13 | Shirik | I'm forcing everyone to use that number |
| 00:47.16 | NeoTron | would be nice if moving the land line number to google voice was possible |
| 00:47.30 | NeoTron | if you think about it, google is pretty scary |
| 00:47.31 | Ancu | I think that to buy an email client would be a waste of money, why not just get TB, it has all the bells and whistle you want in the form of addons |
| 00:47.55 | NeoTron | they know what you search, browse, email, phone, news-browsing... |
| 00:47.56 | Shirik | says that's not a google wave account cogwheel :( |
| 00:48.00 | NeoTron | and where you drive |
| 00:48.02 | Ancu | Heck, if you want it to say "You've got mail" you can make it do that to |
| 00:48.09 | cogwheel | Shirik: ... hence the wtb... :P |
| 00:48.12 | Shirik | oh :( |
| 00:48.16 | Shirik | lol owned |
| 00:48.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: pong |
| 00:48.57 | NeoTron | one of these days, google will turn evil and rule us all with all the excessive amounts of data about us |
| 00:49.02 | cogwheel | i can't force them 'cause i'm a pathological non-liar |
| 00:49.12 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Have you been following Full Disclosure? |
| 00:49.12 | cogwheel | they all keep asking "so is your old number still good?" |
| 00:49.17 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 00:49.30 | Shirik | :( |
| 00:49.30 | Shirik | k nm |
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| 00:53.56 | Shirik | omg I am going to kill people |
| 00:54.01 | Shirik | school just switched over to a new email system |
| 00:54.03 | Shirik | Microsoft Internet Explorer 7 ( IE7) is the supported web browser for using ERAU Live Mail. Other browsers such as Firefox may work, but may have reduced features and functionality. |
| 00:54.03 | Shirik | Do not use Chrome as your web browser. It is not compatible with any of the features and functionality of Live Mail. |
| 00:54.15 | Ancu | IE should die |
| 00:54.19 | Ancu | try fire fox |
| 00:55.48 | Shirik | no |
| 00:55.51 | Shirik | I will not get firefox |
| 00:55.55 | Shirik | I will use IE before Firefox |
| 00:56.01 | Ancu | why |
| 00:56.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Your hatred amuses me |
| 00:56.08 | Shirik | because Firefox is horrible |
| 00:56.15 | NeoTron | firefox has adblock |
| 00:56.19 | NeoTron | that automatically makes it the best |
| 00:56.29 | Shirik | I can't stand that argument |
| 00:56.31 | NeoTron | (and no, some lame proxy != adblock) |
| 00:56.37 | Ancu | why would you chose known failure over proven sucess(sp) |
| 00:56.38 | batbot | Ancu, success. |
| 00:56.46 | NeoTron | Shirik: without it, I couldn't stand the internet |
| 00:56.48 | Shirik | Because Firefox has known failure too |
| 00:56.49 | NeoTron | :) |
| 00:57.04 | Ancu | name one shirik |
| 00:57.05 | NeoTron | just like I can't stand TV without a Tivo |
| 00:57.13 | Vlakarados | I use opera and am happy |
| 00:57.22 | Shirik | why name one when I can point you to their bug tracker and show you hundreds? |
| 00:57.23 | NeoTron | ...and don't listen to radio due |
| 00:57.41 | NeoTron | Shirik: point me to the IE8 bug tracker |
| 00:57.46 | Ancu | lol |
| 00:57.46 | NeoTron | see how many they have |
| 00:57.47 | Shirik | obviously they have no bugs |
| 00:57.53 | Ancu | bull |
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| 00:58.04 | Ancu | they might not list them, but IE is a bug |
| 00:58.12 | NeoTron | Speaking of which, is there even an open bugtracker for Chrome? |
| 00:58.26 | NeoTron | Opera? |
| 00:59.03 | Ancu | dont know, anything is beter then IE though. I wouldn't use it on XP if I didnt need it for the updates |
| 00:59.24 | Ancu | I love how Vista took out that necesity(sp) |
| 00:59.25 | batbot | Ancu, necessity. |
| 00:59.40 | Shirik | of course NeoTron |
| 00:59.46 | Shirik | they use googlecode for it |
| 00:59.47 | Ancu | s/necesity/necessity |
| 00:59.51 | Shirik | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Firefox&component=Security&long_desc_type=substring&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&resolution=DUPLICATE&reso |
| 00:59.55 | Shirik | I think that link is too long for IRC lolo |
| 01:00.00 | Ancu | I did that wrong didnt I |
| 01:00.49 | Ancu | look, atleast firefox actively works on its problems. IE is a pile of crap put in a box tied with ribons |
| 01:00.53 | NeoTron | in either case, Chrome might be better but it doesn't work on my Linux, nor does it have adblock |
| 01:01.01 | NeoTron | but saying that IE is better than FF is comical |
| 01:01.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: you. amuse. me. :) |
| 01:01.04 | Ancu | sometimes, they change the color of the ribons |
| 01:01.12 | Shirik | my #1 problem with Firefox is simply how slow it is |
| 01:01.18 | Shirik | chrome is practically instantaneous |
| 01:01.26 | NeoTron | not going to argue against that. Firefox is slower |
| 01:01.28 | Ancu | its faster then IE for me |
| 01:01.28 | Shirik | IE is not too too far behind, though I don't like it |
| 01:01.46 | Shirik | Firefox takes as long as Visual Studio to open for me |
| 01:01.51 | Shirik | (last I used it) |
| 01:01.54 | NeoTron | of course |
| 01:01.58 | NeoTron | I don't restart my ff very often |
| 01:02.01 | Ancu | And I am on dialup. To have a noticeable difference in download speed on dialup is saying somthing |
| 01:02.05 | NeoTron | and it only takes time to start the first time anyway |
| 01:02.13 | NeoTron | startup time is a trivial issue |
| 01:02.24 | NeoTron | it does however have some odd render issue (speed) |
| 01:02.32 | Arrowmaster | man tv writers are getting as bad as movie and game writers at reusing old stuff instead of coming up with something original http://www.tvrage.com/shows/id-22814 |
| 01:02.33 | Shirik | same difference |
| 01:02.42 | Shirik | Firefox doesn't even pass Acid3 |
| 01:02.54 | NeoTron | it really comes down to adblocking. if everyone used text ads it wouldn't be bad but they don't |
| 01:03.02 | NeoTron | heck even videos are used on ads now, which is goddamn awful |
| 01:03.10 | Shirik | chrome is extremely close to acid3 passing in stable build, and passes in development build |
| 01:03.11 | Ancu | whats that, another form of rating buster? I thought you guys hated rating buster |
| 01:03.14 | Shirik | opera passes in development build too |
| 01:03.16 | NeoTron | acid 3 is a made up test that has no relevance for real site browsing |
| 01:03.17 | Shirik | firefox isn't even close |
| 01:03.29 | Shirik | I think XKCD is a good testament to why acid3 is important |
| 01:03.37 | Shirik | (today's XKCD, that is) |
| 01:03.44 | Arrowmaster | didnt both opera and webkit cheat to get 100% on acid3 at first? |
| 01:03.46 | Ancu | xkcd? |
| 01:03.56 | Shirik | cheat? |
| 01:04.02 | NeoTron | let's face it, it doesn't matters unless IE passes it ;-) |
| 01:04.02 | Adys | Thrae: I LOVE YOU |
| 01:04.57 | Shirik | IE8 isn't anywhere near lol |
| 01:04.59 | Shirik | just tested it |
| 01:05.03 | Shirik | my browser exploded |
| 01:05.25 | Ancu | you just reminded me how I much I miss ady from my server :( |
| 01:05.41 | Adys | Arrowmaster: no, they just didn't pass one of the tests |
| 01:05.52 | NeoTron | Shirik: that's my point though. Unless IE passes it, no one can use whatever features IE fails at |
| 01:06.01 | Adys | they got 100/100, but failed a latency test |
| 01:06.05 | NeoTron | IE is dropping but it's the most used browser |
| 01:06.12 | Shirik | well the primary things acid3 tests is actually how to recover from bad code |
| 01:06.16 | Shirik | not actual features |
| 01:06.22 | Shirik | though it does test features too |
| 01:06.25 | Ancu | NeoTron thats why you shouldnt use it |
| 01:06.44 | Shirik | point is, it's completely unacceptable to break other browsers to make it work for IE |
| 01:06.44 | Ancu | Soon FF will be the most used, so hackers will focus on it. Then I will change browsers |
| 01:06.58 | NeoTron | Shirik: Minefield fot 94/100 for me on Linux |
| 01:06.59 | Shirik | crackers, not hackers |
| 01:07.04 | Shirik | hackers already focus on Fx |
| 01:07.07 | Shirik | and it's Fx not FF :P |
| 01:07.15 | Adys | the only reason FF will be most used soon is because IE's share will drop faster than FF's |
| 01:07.36 | NeoTron | Shirik: never seen anyone call it Fx so you're the first there |
| 01:07.49 | Adys | ive seen people call it Fx |
| 01:07.54 | Adys | and the devs themselves prefer calling it Fx |
| 01:07.57 | Ancu | same for me, never seen it called Fx, always FF |
| 01:08.02 | Shirik | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/releases/1.5.html |
| 01:08.05 | Shirik | Ctrl-F for Fx |
| 01:08.11 | Adys | Ctrl-Fx? |
| 01:08.13 | Adys | ololo |
| 01:08.18 | NeoTron | just stating my experience with the shorthand |
| 01:08.24 | Ancu | meh, its not a huge deal, so long as every one knows what were talking about |
| 01:08.25 | Shirik | just stating Mozzila hates that :p |
| 01:08.40 | NeoTron | should have named it firefox then! |
| 01:08.44 | Arrowmaster | i was sure opera and webkit or atleast one of them added some special handling just for the specific way acid3 tested something instead of correcting the real reason it was failing the test |
| 01:08.49 | NeoTron | clearly made up of the words fire and fox, i.e FF |
| 01:08.51 | Ancu | meh, pointless point, as its easy to dicifer(sp) |
| 01:08.52 | batbot | Ancu, dicier. |
| 01:08.55 | Adys | Arrowmaster: no |
| 01:09.03 | Ancu | thats not right bat bot |
| 01:09.06 | Adys | actually |
| 01:09.07 | Shirik | Except it's not two words, NeoTron |
| 01:09.09 | Adys | opera might have |
| 01:09.12 | Adys | but i cant verify that |
| 01:09.16 | Shirik | it's Firefox |
| 01:09.16 | NeoTron | it's made up of two words |
| 01:09.17 | Shirik | not FireFox |
| 01:09.19 | Corrodias | Firex |
| 01:09.41 | NeoTron | I'm Swedish. if you have the word fire and fox you don't write it fire fox but firefox. so ff ;-) |
| 01:09.51 | Ancu | alright, I am going in game |
| 01:09.55 | Shirik | irrelevant |
| 01:09.56 | NeoTron | anyhow irrelevant |
| 01:09.58 | Shirik | the word comes from english |
| 01:10.09 | Arrowmaster | i remember MS cheated when they first announced that dev versions of IE8 passed acid2 |
| 01:10.14 | Adys | RELEVANT |
| 01:10.15 | Adys | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowwiki/irc-quotes?ids=201#quote-201 |
| 01:10.36 | Shirik | wtf |
| 01:10.38 | Arrowmaster | they showed a cropped screenshot when part of the acid2 test is how the scrollbar is handled |
| 01:10.59 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:11.01 | Shirik | nice |
| 01:12.36 | ancu_away | damn I hate automatic deposit |
| 01:14.17 | Vlakarados | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid3#Browsers_which_pass |
| 01:14.46 | ancu | Why does walmart think that it is okay to force us who suck at math into automatic deposit |
| 01:14.56 | ancu | Its enough to make me want to quit |
| 01:15.13 | Arrowmaster | because walmart thinks it ok to control everything |
| 01:15.14 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/224085374 that is creepy |
| 01:15.33 | Arrowmaster | fuckers dont carry explicit lyrics music so i wont shop there |
| 01:16.18 | ancu | realy? I thought they did...its prety hard not to these days, its even leaking into country |
| 01:17.02 | Arrowmaster | i dont think they ever have, every thing they carry is the censored version |
| 01:17.22 | ancu | meh, I use iTunes for my music anyway |
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| 01:17.43 | ancu | and audibles for my audio books *turns on enders game for the thousandth listen |
| 01:17.44 | Arrowmaster | i just dont listen to music anymore |
| 01:17.45 | ancu | * |
| 01:18.19 | ancu | I love audio books ^_^ |
| 01:18.27 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykSZMaZl2fY |
| 01:18.43 | ancu | slow speed, sorry. And gram is playing wow right now |
| 01:18.53 | Adys | i dont remember where ive heard this |
| 01:22.36 | Shirik | Ok |
| 01:22.45 | Shirik | Outlook can't figure out my server settings for a Microsoft server |
| 01:22.48 | Shirik | I think I'm screwed |
| 01:22.59 | Adys | [03:21:14] <@Shirik> Microsoft server |
| 01:22.59 | Adys | [03:21:17] <@Shirik> I think I'm screwed |
| 01:23.18 | Shirik | BLAME THE GD IT DEPARTMENT |
| 01:23.19 | Shirik | omg |
| 01:23.25 | Shirik | They made this incredibly stupid switch |
| 01:23.28 | Adys | doesnt make you less screwed |
| 01:23.35 | Shirik | because god knows with all the problems we have at our school |
| 01:23.41 | Shirik | we DEFINITELY NEEDED a new email system |
| 01:23.48 | Shirik | oh it doesn't matter that some of our computers are broken |
| 01:23.55 | Shirik | or that we can't replace hard drives because a virus might have killed them |
| 01:24.08 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 01:24.22 | tekkub | 19:22 <Shirik> Outlook |
| 01:24.22 | Shirik | no, we need that new email syste |
| 01:24.22 | tekkub | 19:22 <Shirik> I'm screwed |
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| 01:24.43 | Arrowmaster | @<Shirik> or that we can't replace hard drives because a virus might have killed them |
| 01:24.46 | Arrowmaster | details |
| 01:25.17 | Adys | In "honor" of geocities, and totally nsfw: http://www.textfiles.com/underconstruction/ |
| 01:27.19 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Hard drive crashed on our server |
| 01:27.23 | Shirik | Server is owned by the school |
| 01:27.37 | Arrowmaster | right ive heard this before |
| 01:27.40 | Shirik | We call IT, they refuse to fix it because we weren't running their software and, as they claim, may have caused the drive to fail due to wrong software |
| 01:28.07 | Arrowmaster | and what 'their software' = windows? |
| 01:28.16 | Arrowmaster | but you werent running windows? |
| 01:28.48 | Corrodias | you heard it here, folks. linux damages your hard drives. pass it on. |
| 01:28.59 | Arrowmaster | but where does 'because a virus might have killed them' come in? |
| 01:29.13 | Corrodias | ah, the virus was not THEIR virus |
| 01:31.25 | Arrowmaster | was it some 'oh you werent running our mcafee antivirus and othershit that makes the system run at 1/20th of its potential so because it wasnt protected its your fault'? |
| 01:32.02 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: We installed Windows Server |
| 01:32.39 | Shirik | My favorite thing was when IT told me "We use this software called DeepFreeze. You can't install Linux" |
| 01:32.47 | Shirik | and I was like "You're full of shit. DeepFreeze runs in Windows." |
| 01:32.58 | Shirik | and they refused to believe that I could install Linux on top of what they had |
| 01:34.16 | Arrowmaster | deepfreeze? |
| 01:35.00 | Arrowmaster | hah |
| 01:35.02 | Arrowmaster | "Deep Freeze, by Faronics, is an application available for the Microsoft Windows, Mac OS X, and SUSE Linux operating systems which allows system administrators to protect the core operating system and configuration files on a workstation or server by restoring a computer back to its original configuration each time the computer restarts." |
| 01:35.12 | Arrowmaster | yeah only a fucking idiot would run that on a server |
| 01:42.39 | kd3 | oh ye gods, I hate deepfreeze |
| 01:42.47 | kd3 | the lab computers all had that on it |
| 01:43.16 | ScytheBlade1 | has defeated deepfreeze before |
| 01:43.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Terrible software |
| 01:43.39 | Kraps | i find this interesting: on IMDB, Wizards of Waverly Place: The Movie is rated 7.3/10 with 902 votes; Hannah Montana: The Movie is rated 3.4/10 with 10,740 votes. people REALLY hate Miley Cyrus |
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| 01:45.16 | kd3 | yay, brox just crashed |
| 01:45.47 | Corrodias | those are the worst names for media that i have ever heard |
| 01:46.34 | Corrodias | wizards of waverly place sounds like a british soap about interior decorators |
| 01:46.51 | Kraps | hehe |
| 01:47.01 | Corrodias | hannah montana rhymes on a bad sound. |
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| 02:11.55 | Shirik | oop sorry didn't read my playback |
| 02:11.58 | Shirik | yeah Arrowmaster |
| 02:12.04 | Shirik | that's on all the lab computers |
| 02:20.13 | Adys | Im asking everyone here |
| 02:20.18 | Adys | http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=290153 |
| 02:20.27 | Adys | does this look much different from a geocities page? |
| 02:21.35 | ajmitch | it's bugzilla, of course it'll look horrid |
| 02:21.38 | Adys | all the thick borders, the ugly design, the text everywhere, incomprehensible links |
| 02:22.03 | ScytheBlade1 | You're terrible at bugzilla then |
| 02:22.11 | Adys | No, I'm not |
| 02:22.16 | Adys | I've been using bugzilla for years |
| 02:22.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty sure you are! |
| 02:22.21 | Adys | bugzilla is terrible at design |
| 02:22.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I installed it locally on my laptop! |
| 02:22.26 | ScytheBlade1 | It works, well! |
| 02:22.34 | ajmitch | it works, but it's not pretty |
| 02:22.45 | Adys | it's in perl, of course it's not pretty |
| 02:22.49 | ajmitch | gnome's bugzilla install is one of the nicer ones I've dealt with |
| 02:23.05 | ScytheBlade1 | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ is pretty |
| 02:23.09 | ScytheBlade1 | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/ is pretty |
| 02:23.29 | Adys | You know what's most terrible about bugzilla? |
| 02:23.32 | Adys | theres no main listing |
| 02:23.36 | ajmitch | ubuntu's old bugzilla was horrible - every package listed in a 1MB JS file served over https, never cached |
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| 02:23.57 | Adys | redhat's bugzilla is decent |
| 02:24.05 | Shirik | Bugzilla is horribl |
| 02:24.07 | Adys | my vote goes for wine's, but thats also because its been dumbed down |
| 02:24.15 | Adys | and they removed some useless shit |
| 02:24.25 | Shirik | Why is it that I hate everything by Mozilla |
| 02:24.31 | Shirik | the only thing of theirs I've ever liked is Thunderbird |
| 02:24.35 | Adys | because mozilla is a terrible company |
| 02:24.43 | Shirik | and I'm only not sure if I don't like it right now because I haven't used it in forever |
| 02:24.48 | Shirik | and IT refuses to tell me the IMAP/POP server |
| 02:24.58 | Adys | they're not bad guys |
| 02:25.04 | Adys | they're just complete retards |
| 02:25.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Your hatred has made you strong |
| 02:25.20 | ScytheBlade1 | (Collectively) |
| 02:25.31 | ajmitch | thunderbird, the app currently at about 520MB resident on my desktop? |
| 02:25.46 | Adys | who the f uses email software? |
| 02:25.50 | Adys | seriously guys |
| 02:25.54 | Adys | web interfaces, hi? |
| 02:26.00 | Shirik | Mozilla applications are required to take up at least 500MB of memory |
| 02:26.03 | Adys | you know |
| 02:26.06 | Adys | theres this cool site |
| 02:26.08 | Adys | called gmail |
| 02:26.11 | Shirik | yeah |
| 02:26.17 | Shirik | last I checked, my school doesn't use gmail |
| 02:26.25 | Shirik | and I have no intention of forwarding email |
| 02:26.29 | Adys | and if your school happens not to use gmail |
| 02:26.34 | Adys | theres this other cool site |
| 02:26.36 | Adys | called google apps |
| 02:26.45 | ajmitch | I do use gmail for some things & find it a damned nuisance |
| 02:27.06 | Adys | the *only* thing i find a bit... disappointing in gmail |
| 02:27.08 | Adys | is the search |
| 02:27.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: you can actully have gmail pull your pop/imap mail |
| 02:27.20 | Shirik | WTF |
| 02:27.25 | Shirik | My IT is a bunch of morons I think |
| 02:27.34 | Shirik | Support Incident # INC86892 has been Resolved/Survey Request - Live@edu Server settings request. |
| 02:27.37 | NightHawkTheSane | if they werent morons, they wouldn't be stuck in IT |
| 02:27.42 | Shirik | POP/IMAP Incoming Server: outlook.com |
| 02:27.43 | ajmitch | Adys: like trying to find unlabelled messages? |
| 02:27.46 | Shirik | are you serious? |
| 02:27.52 | Adys | no ajmitch |
| 02:27.55 | Adys | search in general |
| 02:28.03 | Shirik | I'm not sure if this is for real or what |
| 02:28.05 | Adys | its mostly because its google |
| 02:28.12 | Adys | and i expect an extreme quality on search results |
| 02:28.16 | Shirik | but they just told me my incoming email server is outlook.com and my outgoing email server is a subdomain of outlook.com |
| 02:28.42 | Arrowmaster | are they hijacking the outlook.com dns or something? |
| 02:28.47 | Shirik | I'm.... not sure |
| 02:29.03 | Arrowmaster | if so thats still fucking retarded |
| 02:29.17 | Arrowmaster | they shouldnt ever do that to a real domain |
| 02:29.58 | NightHawkTheSane | try going to outlook.com and finding out if they are? |
| 02:30.10 | Shirik | I'm putting in the info they gave me right now |
| 02:30.12 | Shirik | we'll see if it really works |
| 02:30.44 | Arrowmaster | are you using their dns server? |
| 02:31.00 | Shirik | Port: 25 or 587 |
| 02:31.02 | Shirik | wtf is that supposed to mean |
| 02:31.04 | Shirik | no I'm at home |
| 02:31.39 | Arrowmaster | i somehow doubt its going to work then |
| 02:32.09 | Arrowmaster | unless maybe its really a hotmail type account |
| 02:33.03 | NightHawkTheSane | you should file a new ticket "stop being dumb" :P |
| 02:34.16 | Shirik | lol |
| 02:34.24 | Shirik | "please enter your password for delbu9c1@outlook.com" |
| 02:35.59 | Adys | try 1c9ubled |
| 02:36.27 | NightHawkTheSane | 9c1? |
| 02:36.32 | Shirik | wow.... it worked |
| 02:36.36 | Shirik | wtf are they doing |
| 02:36.45 | Adys | course it works Im a fucking genius |
| 02:37.01 | Arrowmaster | using microsoft to host your email |
| 02:37.15 | Shirik | that's ... pretty sad |
| 02:37.24 | Arrowmaster | it is |
| 02:37.27 | NightHawkTheSane | grats |
| 02:37.28 | Arrowmaster | google is so much better |
| 02:39.23 | Adys | man |
| 02:39.25 | Adys | i love google wave |
| 02:39.47 | Adys | you know all those todos, those notes and other shit |
| 02:39.47 | ScytheBlade1 | wtb my own wave server so I can use my own email address |
| 02:40.02 | Adys | which you're too lazy to put on a desktop note or whatever |
| 02:40.18 | Adys | but which can't really be in a note app |
| 02:40.22 | Adys | i just slap everything in wave |
| 02:42.51 | Arrowmaster | i still dont have a wave invite |
| 02:43.14 | Adys | ScytheBlade1 might still have one |
| 02:46.40 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.linuxatemyram.com/ is an awesome sitee |
| 02:46.42 | ScytheBlade1 | *site |
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| 02:48.13 | Kraps | tf2 time |
| 02:48.38 | Mikk | ajmitch: it is time for you to experience the awesomeness that is Opera |
| 02:48.45 | NightHawkTheSane | but linux really DID eat my ram.. that damned penguine gobbled up each stick and shit all over the case |
| 02:48.55 | NightHawkTheSane | side note: never invite tux over to your house. |
| 02:49.03 | ajmitch | Mikk: sorry what? |
| 02:49.17 | Mikk | ajmitch: and do both web and email in 150MB with fewer security holes AND faster to boot |
| 02:49.32 | ajmitch | ah right, with regards to thunderbird being a pile of crap |
| 02:49.50 | ajmitch | at least firefox is < 1GB resident at the moment |
| 02:50.15 | Torhal | Hrm. I forget - how do you report another player? |
| 02:50.25 | Torhal | I'm right-clicking the name and getting no love |
| 02:50.40 | Mikk | right-click it is |
| 02:51.01 | Torhal | Then I have an AddOn fucking me over. |
| 02:51.04 | Thunder_Child | you can only right click to report spam |
| 02:51.05 | Torhal | Meh. |
| 02:51.15 | Thunder_Child | not to report them for other things |
| 02:51.15 | Torhal | That's what I was going to report. |
| 02:51.21 | Thunder_Child | then yes |
| 02:51.32 | Torhal | Hi! I only have 27kg left, would you like to buy some? |
| 02:51.40 | Torhal | Can't report. Buggar all. |
| 02:52.03 | Thunder_Child | you can do it manually but it is a pita |
| 02:52.31 | Vlakarados | how much do your gold sellers want for 1kg? |
| 02:52.47 | Torhal | I don't care. |
| 02:53.08 | Vlakarados | and I'm curious |
| 02:53.50 | Adys | I want people's opinions |
| 02:53.53 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/search/all/onyxia/#tab=spell |
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| 02:54.05 | Adys | does it actually feel intuitive to scroll through tabs |
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| 02:54.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Until it has deep breath listed in addition to the use interval |
| 02:54.32 | ScytheBlade1 | worthless |
| 02:54.37 | Thunder_Child | and by scrool through you mean click Adys? |
| 02:54.45 | Adys | no, I mean scroll |
| 02:54.53 | Thunder_Child | whats scrolling then? |
| 02:54.57 | Thunder_Child | what* |
| 02:55.00 | fl1st4r | hi, little question, how can i disable multiple button ? |
| 02:55.05 | Adys | did you try scrolling over the tabs, Thunder_Child |
| 02:55.12 | Thunder_Child | Adys, ya i got it. no. |
| 02:55.23 | Thunder_Child | it's rather iritating tbh |
| 02:55.25 | Adys | and |
| 02:55.26 | Adys | why not? |
| 02:55.45 | Adys | This was striking me as odd, because i did find it unintuitive at first |
| 02:55.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: poor UI |
| 02:55.59 | Adys | but every single app I use |
| 02:56.05 | Thunder_Child | because w/o a scrollbar you dont know thats a scroll zone so you might try to do page scrolling and have that happen |
| 02:56.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: if i happen to be hovering over the tabs, but want to scroll down on the page, i'll change tabs instead |
| 02:56.07 | Adys | has the ability to scroll through tabs |
| 02:56.27 | Thunder_Child | basicly what me and NightHawkTheSane just said |
| 02:56.50 | Adys | you know |
| 02:56.51 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: i hate apps that do that. |
| 02:57.12 | fl1st4r | it's possible to disable multiple button shorter then that ? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/127190 |
| 02:57.12 | Adys | yah maybe |
| 02:57.53 | Mikk | fl1st4r: not MUCH shorter |
| 02:58.21 | Adys | I just think that people have been forced to get used to a more primitive interface when browsing the web |
| 02:58.24 | Mikk | for i=1,10 do _G["CheckDPS"..i]:Enable() end |
| 02:58.58 | Thunder_Child | Adys, but there are visual clues to certian things |
| 02:59.00 | fl1st4r | ^ ok thx ;) |
| 02:59.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: in an abstract, i might agree |
| 02:59.18 | Thunder_Child | you have none here |
| 02:59.24 | Adys | I do |
| 02:59.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: but you have to work around the things that exist. users are trained to use the scroll wheel to sroll up and down a page |
| 02:59.27 | Adys | they are tabs |
| 02:59.29 | NightHawkTheSane | not change tabs |
| 02:59.38 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 02:59.41 | Adys | every single tabs in every single app on my desktop can be scrolled through |
| 03:00.09 | NightHawkTheSane | that, combined with the total lack of feedback when the functionality changes, makes it really awkward, and kind of bad |
| 03:00.15 | Adys | and thats not entirely true NightHawkTheSane |
| 03:00.20 | Thunder_Child | Adys, in FF, for example, the tabs are in a different section, making it obvious |
| 03:00.23 | Adys | and yah thats why Im asking for feedback |
| 03:01.08 | Adys | Im working on a design for manytabs designs |
| 03:01.14 | Adys | er manytabs uis |
| 03:01.49 | Thunder_Child | you also have to think of when to use them, for 5 tabs i would prefer to click, for 50 i want the scrolling |
| 03:02.09 | NightHawkTheSane | 50 tabs is probably a bad ui too :P |
| 03:02.16 | Adys | not always |
| 03:02.17 | Thunder_Child | i was refering to FF |
| 03:02.32 | Adys | i didnt just have this idea |
| 03:02.39 | Adys | i had to reinstall ff for a couple mins for a test |
| 03:02.49 | Adys | and i noticed how fucking much i miss tab scrolling |
| 03:03.14 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm about 95% sure that you're in an extreme minority there. |
| 03:03.28 | Adys | well to be fair |
| 03:03.40 | Adys | i think every single mx revolution user would agree with me :P |
| 03:03.47 | Adys | pokes kd3 |
| 03:04.13 | kd3 | hugs tab scrolling if it's obvious that's what's going to happen |
| 03:04.27 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 03:04.45 | Adys | the thing with UI details |
| 03:04.48 | NightHawkTheSane | "if its obvious thats what going to happen" is the key bit there :P |
| 03:04.53 | Adys | once you saw them once, you always know they're here |
| 03:04.55 | Thunder_Child | bottom line Adys, people. are. stupid. treat them that way |
| 03:05.31 | Adys | a tabbed ui is expected to be scrollable |
| 03:05.32 | Adys | ish. |
| 03:05.50 | Adys | if its not, you know its not, you wont try again to use it |
| 03:06.04 | Adys | if it is, you know it is, you only need to try once and youll remember |
| 03:06.32 | WobWork | http://www.boingboing.net/2009/10/26/another-hardcore-mom.html |
| 03:06.34 | Adys | tab scrolling is something deeply marking if you ever use it |
| 03:06.39 | Adys | i just think people dont use it enough |
| 03:06.44 | Adys | or they got shitty scroll wheels |
| 03:06.49 | WobWork | Best comment imo: "I think it is incumbent upon New Zealand sheep farmers to genetically engineer armor-plating upon their sheep's backs." |
| 03:07.07 | Adys | WobWork: totally misleading link |
| 03:07.24 | Adys | hey I bet most of you don't even know you can scroll through your application panel. |
| 03:07.38 | fl1st4r | Mikk can i pm you 2sec |
| 03:07.53 | Adys | fl1st4r: I'm gonna have to forbid that I'm afraid |
| 03:08.04 | Adys | you can't just PM anyone, you gotta talk to the authorities first |
| 03:08.10 | Adys | get a permission from the mayor and all |
| 03:08.37 | fl1st4r | lol |
| 03:09.22 | fl1st4r | my english is very bad, and personnaly i hate when someone pm me to ask question on irc, so i ask him before :P |
| 03:09.28 | WobWork | Adys: the perils of SEO =P |
| 03:09.52 | Adys | slugs are supposed to be 50 chars |
| 03:10.04 | Adys | not 20 |
| 03:10.13 | Adys | and talk about seo |
| 03:10.16 | Adys | they could lose the .html |
| 03:10.36 | Adys | why the fuck do people always feel that extensions are the awesome fuckyouxchatforcorrectingmyintendedtypo |
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| 03:34.16 | Recompense | Anyone know if there's a max limit on the font size set by fontstring:SetFont() ? |
| 03:34.17 | ScytheBlade1 | oh, you mean the visible size, not the size of the string itself |
| 03:34.17 | ScytheBlade1 | blinks |
| 03:34.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, it is "quite large" and even then you can grow it with :SetScale() |
| 03:34.17 | ScytheBlade1 | What it actually is, I'm not sure |
| 03:36.42 | WobWork | <3 xkcd's new look |
| 03:37.33 | WobWork | rofl@webring |
| 03:38.31 | Shirik | Anyone here know lisp? |
| 03:38.34 | Shirik | How do you output a dot? |
| 03:39.36 | tem | (function_name "argument") |
| 03:39.46 | tem | (print ".") |
| 03:40.00 | tem | (I don't remember what the "print" analog is called) |
| 03:43.56 | Recompense | ScytheBlade1: Hmm, thanks - it seems to be capping at 48 points, though |
| 03:44.17 | Recompense | And SetScale() is claiming nil method for my fontstring |
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| 03:47.57 | Adys_ | Seriously guys |
| 03:48.01 | Adys_ | go to hell |
| 03:48.03 | Adys_ | adys@azura:~/.xchat2/xchatlogs$ cat FreeNode-#wowuidev.log | grep -i dejavu |
| 03:48.15 | Adys_ | 99% is font spam |
| 03:51.10 | Adys_ | and by the way thats a pretty impressive number |
| 03:51.12 | Adys_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 adys adys 320290091 2009-06-29 02:34 FreeNode (DevCub)-#wowuidev.log |
| 03:51.15 | ScytheBlade1 | for your fontstring itself, right |
| 03:51.24 | ScytheBlade1 | The frame will scale it though |
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| 03:51.30 | Adys_ | 2876525 lines |
| 03:51.35 | fl1st4r | anyone can tell me what's wrong on that plz http://wowuidev.pastey.net/127193 |
| 03:51.49 | tem | BLARG |
| 03:52.00 | tem | Trying to run heroics on my mage reminds me why my other 80s are tanks or healers |
| 03:52.16 | tem | it's fucking impossible to get anyone to do anything but the daily if you aren't a tank/healer |
| 03:52.26 | fl1st4r | lol yeah |
| 03:52.44 | fl1st4r | war + priest rox :D |
| 03:53.16 | ScytheBlade1 | My server routinely has a LFG queue of 20-40-60 DPS and 0 tanks and healers |
| 03:53.52 | Adys_ | fl1st4r: you know DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage can be replaced by print |
| 03:53.55 | tem | ScytheBlade1, wowzers |
| 03:54.08 | tem | we rarely have more than 2 in any queue but the daily |
| 03:54.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I joined my healing druid to LFG once and got 3 whispers in seconds |
| 03:54.18 | tem | and it has ~10 people |
| 03:54.52 | fl1st4r | no ;X it's my first addon but thanks |
| 03:55.01 | Recompense | ScytheBlade1: Ahh, thanks |
| 03:55.11 | ScytheBlade1 | nods |
| 03:55.24 | Adys_ | night spammers |
| 03:55.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Subtle, not that wise if you have hundreds of strings you want to scale individually |
| 03:55.32 | ScytheBlade1 | But effective |
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| 03:56.54 | Lunessa | Station |
| 03:57.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Bit late for you, isn't it? |
| 03:58.47 | NightHawkTheSane | im not entirely sure why, but dogfish head's pumpkin ale is DELICIOUS |
| 04:04.07 | fl1st4r | anyone can tell me where is my error in http://wowuidev.pastey.net/127193 |
| 04:07.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I have to sleep, but pasting code without telling us (1) what you want it to do (2) what it actually does and (3) any error messages, if applicable |
| 04:07.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Means we can't help you |
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| 04:08.47 | fl1st4r | i need a loop to GetText() on my 4 CheckButton if they are clicked, i cant see any error in wow :| |
| 04:09.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Are you sure that lua errors are enabled, and that your files are loading? |
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| 04:10.03 | fl1st4r | yes, files are loaded, and how i can enable lua's errors ? |
| 04:10.21 | ScytheBlade1 | press escape -> interface options -> help |
| 04:10.26 | ScytheBlade1 | It is a checkbox |
| 04:11.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Check Logs\FrameXML.log to make sure your addon is loading without complaints as well |
| 04:12.36 | fl1st4r | Message: Interface\AddOns\RaidPickup\Frame.lua:274: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value) |
| 04:13.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I would recommend checking that file at line 274 |
| 04:14.35 | fl1st4r | -_- im stupid, wrong case on the name |
| 04:14.55 | fl1st4r | thx lol |
| 04:15.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Funny what proper error messages will get you |
| 04:15.49 | Fisker | ~kiss ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:15.50 | purl | ACTION forces ScytheBlade1 to give durcyn a big kiss on the forehead |
| 04:16.28 | Lunessa | Usually I'd be playing WoW right now, but I can't so I thought I'd come hang out here with people I know. |
| 04:18.51 | ScytheBlade1 | deletes one of two default routes and hopes he stays connected |
| 04:19.57 | ScytheBlade1 | hey check that out |
| 04:19.59 | ScytheBlade1 | wins |
| 04:23.14 | Fisker | loses |
| 04:23.15 | Fisker | :( |
| 04:23.20 | Fisker | jerk! |
| 04:24.31 | Jerub | sigh. |
| 04:24.51 | Jerub | guildmaster got hacked for the second time in 6 months last night, this time they cleaned out the GB and deleted all his toons :/ |
| 04:25.22 | Lunessa | Damnit - now I want beer |
| 04:26.05 | Fisker | slaps Lunessa around a bit with a large trout |
| 04:28.09 | NightHawkTheSane | has beer! |
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| 04:30.34 | Jerub | i want beer :( |
| 04:34.20 | Lunessa | Beer is like ... the condolence we get for living in hell. |
| 04:34.22 | ScytheBlade1 | sleeps |
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| 04:35.40 | Vlakarados | someone knows if Shadow Embrace (affli warlock) stacks with mortal strike? |
| 04:37.18 | tem | none of those stack |
| 04:37.23 | tem | it would be horribly OP |
| 04:43.42 | Vlakarados | are you sure? because blizzard made a post about stacking when wotlk came out, and in healing reduction debuffs shadow embrace is missing |
| 04:44.01 | tem | it wasn't a healing reduction debuff when wotlk came out |
| 04:44.09 | tem | so it shouldn't be listed |
| 04:44.19 | Vlakarados | what it was back then? |
| 04:44.23 | Vlakarados | in bc it was |
| 04:44.31 | Vlakarados | Healing Debuff: Wound Poison, Aimed Shot, Mortal Strike, Furious Attacks |
| 04:46.32 | NightHawkTheSane | in bc, shadow embrace probably didn't exist. when wrath was released, it didn't have the healing debuff compenent |
| 04:47.01 | Recompense | ScytheBladeOne: Actually, scaling a frame that has a FontString doesn't increase the size of the FontString's font |
| 04:47.04 | Vlakarados | I remember that shadow embrace was in bc and it had healing reduction |
| 04:47.32 | Recompense | ScytheBlade1: *bing* |
| 04:48.28 | Recompense | Oh, he's gone to sleep |
| 04:48.40 | Lunessa | Hey Recompense |
| 04:48.45 | Recompense | In which case: anyone know how to make a FontString size itself to be arbitrarily large? |
| 04:48.48 | Recompense | Heya Lunessa |
| 04:49.57 | Lunessa | You set the FontString's size when you define it. |
| 04:50.02 | Recompense | Yes but |
| 04:50.08 | Recompense | It looks like it has a hard cap that isn't documented |
| 04:50.22 | Recompense | At least, I can't get this font to go above 24 points or something |
| 04:50.24 | Lunessa | Something like 36 point |
| 04:50.44 | Recompense | Mmmm |
| 04:50.44 | Recompense | How to get a larger FontString then? |
| 04:50.44 | Lunessa | Yeah, that's probably it 24 point, |
| 04:51.46 | Lunessa | I'd go dig up the threads where we discussed it ages ago, but this laptop is pissing me off. |
| 04:52.09 | Recompense | On the Blizz forums, WoWAce, where? |
| 04:52.11 | Recompense | I can dig around |
| 04:53.18 | Lunessa | Blizz forums. Mikkord found the limit working on MSBT |
| 04:53.53 | Lunessa | I'm kind of shocked no one has added it to the wiki |
| 04:54.12 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not sure how i feel about this: http://twitpic.com/hejqb |
| 04:56.07 | Lunessa | Whiskey + Bacon. |
| 04:56.09 | Lunessa | WIN |
| 04:56.27 | Recompense | No |
| 04:56.29 | Recompense | That's completely fail |
| 04:56.36 | Recompense | I am throwing up now |
| 04:58.14 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Lunessa |
| 04:58.15 | purl | Lunessa: FAIL! |
| 04:59.04 | Lunessa | Press button, receive bacon and whiskey! |
| 04:59.54 | Recompense | OK I can't find reference to the limit |
| 04:59.55 | Recompense | Hmm |
| 05:00.06 | Recompense | Scaling the frame containing the fontstring won't work either |
| 05:01.43 | Fisker | Lunessa what limit did he find, and did he take it to it? |
| 05:01.49 | Fisker | or "push it to it"? |
| 05:02.11 | WobWork | Jerub: doesn't your GM have authenticator/net savvy? |
| 05:03.05 | Fisker | wins |
| 05:03.05 | Vlakarados | what is this? |
| 05:03.05 | Fisker | hey WobWork |
| 05:03.07 | WobWork | netsplit? |
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| 05:03.09 | Fisker | You won GM for a day! |
| 05:03.09 | Fisker | So now you can people and stuff |
| 05:03.09 | Fisker | just give me your accountname and password |
| 05:03.09 | Fisker | ! |
| 05:03.09 | Jerub | WobWork: a little savvy, he also had an authenticator he wasn't using because he bought two, and his wife's one broke a week after they got it. |
| 05:03.09 | WobWork | I can people and stuff? |
| 05:03.10 | Fisker | yeah |
| 05:03.10 | Fisker | you can people |
| 05:03.10 | Jerub | apparently it was a pain to get taken off the account. |
| 05:03.10 | Jerub | I think he's going to get a mobile phone authenticator. |
| 05:03.34 | WobWork | yeah |
| 05:03.34 | WobWork | Jerub: I suggest he write down three consecutive auth numbers as soon as he gets it |
| 05:03.34 | WobWork | so he can deauth his account if it gets broken |
| 05:03.42 | Lunessa | Recompense: It may be too old to easily find - I just recall lots of discussion about it in a vague way. I think 24 points was the largest. But I'm getting old, I haven't had bacon or whiskey today and memory is faulty. |
| 05:03.57 | WobWork | Fisker: Awesome |
| 05:04.01 | Recompense | Lunessa: But I want to make something that's larger than 24 points. |
| 05:04.09 | WobWork | orders one thousand litres of milk to be delivered to Fisker |
| 05:04.34 | Fisker | lols |
| 05:04.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i'm a little worried about what you'd be like if you DID have whiskey and bacon today :P |
| 05:05.26 | Fisker | http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/26/microsoft-ditches-family-guy-special-for-being-family-guy/ <-fail |
| 05:05.40 | Lunessa | Recompense: Is it static or dynamic? |
| 05:06.09 | Recompense | The text? Relatively static, its text is generated when a slash command is input but once that's done, it's static |
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| 05:06.34 | Fisker | i want to sleep WobWork |
| 05:07.34 | Thunder_Child | the mana gems need diferent artwork |
| 05:07.40 | Thunder_Child | different* |
| 05:08.08 | Lunessa | Bah - I was going to say "use an image" but that's no good for you then |
| 05:08.22 | Fisker | i'm gonna naw Thunder_Child |
| 05:08.28 | Recompense | Well, I can do it with an image |
| 05:08.32 | Vlakarados | Fisker gonna be apple?) |
| 05:08.33 | Recompense | That's what I was going to do before |
| 05:08.33 | Thunder_Child | Fisker, do you mean gnaw? |
| 05:08.57 | Fisker | naw |
| 05:09.00 | Fisker | i mean naw |
| 05:09.00 | Recompense | So I guess I'll do it now! |
| 05:09.21 | Thunder_Child | Fisker, you mean you think the icons should stay the same? |
| 05:09.40 | Fisker | well that would break my naw streak |
| 05:10.06 | Thunder_Child | stabbity stab stab stabs Fisker |
| 05:10.21 | Fisker | you seem stressed |
| 05:10.28 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 05:10.55 | WobWork | tucks Fisker in. Here, have some milk before bed. |
| 05:11.01 | WobWork | backs the dump truck up. |
| 05:11.32 | Fisker | can i have thousand liters of milk? |
| 05:11.50 | Lunessa | Recompense: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_FontString_SetTextHeight |
| 05:12.38 | Recompense | Lunessa: Oh hey thanks |
| 05:12.43 | Recompense | Let's see if that's helpful |
| 05:13.27 | WobWork | Fisker: It's a good thing you preordered! =) |
| 05:13.28 | Lunessa | It says you will distort text, but it also says to make different objects for various sizes |
| 05:13.52 | Recompense | Oh |
| 05:13.56 | Recompense | Yikes, hello aliasing |
| 05:14.06 | Recompense | Yeah, back to making images |
| 05:14.09 | Lunessa | So, if you know the scale of your frame.... |
| 05:14.16 | WobWork | The goggles, they do nathink? |
| 05:14.19 | Vlakarados | is listening to Loggins, Kenny - Danger Zone |
| 05:14.21 | Lunessa | Yeah, or go the easy way with an image |
| 05:14.22 | Recompense | It's only 8 images |
| 05:14.39 | WobWork | Vlakarados: highway to the danger zone? |
| 05:14.45 | Vlakarados | yah |
| 05:14.53 | WobWork | >< |
| 05:14.54 | Vlakarados | this song reminds me of grinding netherwing rep |
| 05:14.56 | Lunessa | Going right into the Danger Zone! |
| 05:14.57 | WobWork | now that's stuck in my head |
| 05:15.09 | Vlakarados | and doing that dumb race quest |
| 05:15.09 | WobWork | Top gun flashbacks =P |
| 05:15.17 | Vlakarados | that I haven't finished yet |
| 05:15.19 | Lunessa | You never know how far you can go until you get a read line overload... |
| 05:15.30 | Lunessa | s/ read red |
| 05:15.43 | WobWork | Lunessa: hehe I was thinking "hmm, buffer overload hax!" |
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| 05:16.05 | WobWork | Excess flood =P |
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| 05:17.02 | Lunessa | hates this laptop keyboard SO MUCH |
| 05:17.11 | WobWork | hehe |
| 05:17.45 | Shirik | Thunderbird is wierd |
| 05:17.48 | Shirik | I tell it I want to trust a PGP key |
| 05:18.03 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:18.15 | Shirik | and it's like "Well how much do you trust it?" "I don't know" "I do NOT trust this key" "I trust marginally" "I trust fully" "I trust ULTIMATELY" |
| 05:18.21 | Shirik | wtf is the difference >< |
| 05:19.31 | Fisker | here's mine |
| 05:19.34 | WobWork | length of time to trust? |
| 05:19.35 | Fisker | trust it ultimately |
| 05:19.39 | Lunessa | Shirik: Fully = Lend it money. Ultimately = Let it date your daughter |
| 05:19.54 | Shirik | but like |
| 05:19.57 | kd3 | [[Trust metric]] |
| 05:20.01 | Shirik | what does it mean to say "I want you to trust this key marginally" |
| 05:20.07 | WobWork | [[Trust Imperial]]? |
| 05:20.29 | WobWork | the more I look at the word 'trust' the weirder it looks |
| 05:20.40 | kd3 | rather, [[Web of trust]] |
| 05:20.46 | kd3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_of_trust |
| 05:22.19 | kd3 | and whee, it's a wootoff day |
| 05:24.23 | Recompense | Aight y'all, off to sleep or something like it |
| 05:24.38 | Vlakarados | gn! |
| 05:24.47 | Shirik | I'm still getting into this whole PGP thing kd3 |
| 05:24.53 | Shirik | it's kinda confusing |
| 05:25.03 | kd3 | the big red crypto book helps a lot |
| 05:25.13 | Shirik | I kinda get it |
| 05:25.20 | Shirik | it's just...different |
| 05:25.34 | NightHawkTheSane | different.. from what? |
| 05:25.41 | kd3 | PKI? |
| 05:25.53 | WobWork | kd3: in the sense of "When someone tries to break into my system, I whap them upside the head with my Big Red Crypto Book!" |
| 05:25.57 | WobWork | ? |
| 05:26.17 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: is that the 'big red book that doesn't fit on a shelf'? :P |
| 05:26.29 | Shirik | from PKI yes |
| 05:26.46 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I don't know if I hate you for making that reference or me for getting it |
| 05:26.59 | Shirik | I don't get it |
| 05:27.06 | Lunessa | Shirik: Good |
| 05:27.11 | Shirik | inc reference about Shirik == youngin |
| 05:27.19 | NightHawkTheSane | you so are ;) |
| 05:27.21 | kd3 | http://www.schneier.com/book-applied.html |
| 05:27.28 | kd3 | and nhts; hatred |
| 05:27.31 | kd3 | utter and complete |
| 05:27.36 | Lunessa | You haven't seen the shittiest internet movie ever made "Hackers" |
| 05:27.36 | NightHawkTheSane | :D |
| 05:27.51 | Shirik | Worse than plan 9? |
| 05:28.00 | WobWork | Hey! |
| 05:28.01 | NightHawkTheSane | <3 hackers |
| 05:28.04 | WobWork | It had Angelina Jolie in it! |
| 05:28.27 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. i still like it despite that |
| 05:28.55 | Lunessa | Plan 9 from Outer Space = So bad it's a classic. Hackers = so bad you want the 1.75 hours of your life back |
| 05:29.17 | NightHawkTheSane | psh. no way, hackers is a great bad movie to make fun of :P |
| 05:29.17 | WobWork | Dog Soldiers - So bad it's terribly fantastic |
| 05:31.09 | Shirik | Lunessa: Isn't there an XKCD about this? |
| 05:31.22 | Shirik | oh yes, friday's http://xkcd.com/653/ |
| 05:31.31 | Lunessa | Holiday Special |
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| 05:50.27 | Shirik | so kd3, let me try to understand this a little. Because of my lack of contribution to the web of trust, I have basically no sources that I trust myself, so every signature I am getting is coming back as "untrusted" |
| 05:50.55 | Shirik | I should pick out the keys which I check myself, trust them locally and mark them as marginally trusted? |
| 05:51.26 | Shirik | over time this would eventually lead to my ability to trust keys I have not signed myself? |
| 05:53.32 | tekkub | quick, someone explain foot fetishes to me |
| 05:53.57 | Shirik | foot = good |
| 05:53.59 | Shirik | no foot = bad |
| 05:54.35 | tekkub | no I mean, how is that a turn on? |
| 05:55.30 | Vlakarados | what addon are you writing there? 0_o |
| 05:55.52 | Vlakarados | or will this information be only for personal use? |
| 05:55.55 | Jerub | tekkub: I'm lost for words. |
| 05:56.07 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: ping |
| 05:56.09 | tekkub | personal use |
| 05:56.21 | tekkub | someone is interested in my fat feet and I can't figure out why |
| 05:57.22 | Vlakarados | well, feet are cool |
| 05:57.26 | Vlakarados | if you change socks |
| 05:57.31 | Vlakarados | if you don't |
| 05:57.41 | Vlakarados | feet are not so cool |
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| 05:58.47 | Vlakarados | no, seriously its about hidden parts of body |
| 05:59.06 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: what kinda web of trust is this for? |
| 05:59.20 | Shirik | security |
| 05:59.27 | Shirik | like discussions about security |
| 05:59.36 | Vlakarados | usually they are hidden, so they are interesting for everyone |
| 05:59.51 | Shirik | I'm primarily referencing the web of trust I'm finding on Full Disclosure |
| 06:00.31 | Vlakarados | you know, there are tribes, that think that back of the head, near the neck is the most sexy part of womans body |
| 06:00.56 | Vlakarados | because it's always hidden behind the hair, unlike the rest of the body |
| 06:01.01 | Vlakarados | and that's weird |
| 06:01.03 | Vlakarados | really.. |
| 06:01.41 | Shirik | why do you think it's wierd? |
| 06:03.09 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: well the levels of trust you are seeing is probably for how well do you trust keys signed by that person, as in do you trust them to vouch for other people |
| 06:03.38 | Shirik | well my understanding is that I'm seeing everyone as untrusted because I basically trust nobody right now |
| 06:03.53 | Shirik | and when I start to open up paths of trust then I will start to see certs be trusted |
| 06:03.59 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 06:04.01 | Shirik | er, sigs |
| 06:04.04 | Shirik | keys |
| 06:04.04 | Shirik | whatever |
| 06:04.11 | Vlakarados | well, it's not generally weird, but for me it is |
| 06:04.34 | Lunessa | Night folks |
| 06:04.38 | Vlakarados | well, see ya all, exam awaits |
| 06:06.06 | WobWork | tekkub: possibly some level of subservience |
| 06:06.07 | WobWork | or they just like the smell of sweaty feet |
| 06:06.07 | tekkub | hrm bootlicker? |
| 06:06.07 | WobWork | or at least toesucker |
| 06:06.07 | tekkub | hrm |
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| 06:19.03 | Shirik | I think tekkub is developing a foot fetish |
| 06:19.09 | tekkub | nope |
| 06:19.19 | tekkub | I've got enough already |
| 06:23.19 | Shirik | seriously |
| 06:23.25 | Shirik | how the hell do I approve a friend request on facebook |
| 06:23.35 | Shirik | nm I found it |
| 06:23.41 | Shirik | I love how "home" isn't actually where you start |
| 06:24.25 | Shirik | oh look |
| 06:24.27 | Shirik | friend suggestion: tekkub |
| 06:24.45 | tekkub | facebook sucks |
| 06:25.04 | tekkub | the simple fact that I have to use my real name is enough to make me lose interest |
| 06:26.05 | Arrowmaster | ok that was loud, i think i might have broken my chair again |
| 06:26.34 | Shirik | owned |
| 06:28.21 | Thunder_Child | tekkub, you dont have to |
| 06:28.25 | Thunder_Child | i didnt |
| 06:28.57 | tekkub | and how did you manage that? |
| 06:29.11 | tekkub | fake name? :P |
| 06:29.35 | Shirik | tekkub didn't either I think |
| 06:29.37 | tekkub | what I mean is, very few know me by my real name, simply "tekkub" is all I need and want |
| 06:29.40 | Shirik | I know I saw "tekkub" in there |
| 06:30.10 | tekkub | yea if you go to my page... but everywhere my name pops up it's not "tekkub" |
| 06:30.57 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure I saw "tekkub" on the "suggested friends" list |
| 06:30.59 | Arrowmaster | yeah i think i broke my chair, its not leaning back prperly |
| 06:31.20 | tekkub | I had a chair that leaned rigth for a long time |
| 06:31.26 | Arrowmaster | well its leaning back but not smoothly |
| 06:31.37 | Arrowmaster | i broke one of the wheels a while back |
| 06:31.46 | tekkub | now my new one the right armrest borked |
| 06:31.48 | Shirik | Cairenn|afk wtf are you doing to my facebook |
| 06:31.48 | Arrowmaster | that was fun trying to use it |
| 06:32.18 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: is she spamming you with more updates on how many times a week she needs sex? |
| 06:32.22 | Shirik | no |
| 06:32.25 | Thunder_Child | yet |
| 06:32.58 | Shirik | "You have a drinking request" "You have a pillow fight request" "You have a water gun request" "You have a bumper sticker request" "You have a hug request" "You have a myheart request" |
| 06:33.07 | Shirik | probably from like a year ago |
| 06:33.09 | Shirik | but w/e :P |
| 06:33.27 | Arrowmaster | i have a replacement chair but its still in the original box up in the garage rafters |
| 06:33.51 | smcn | off to upgrade to w7, wish me luck ;P |
| 06:34.08 | tekkub | Shirik: I find if you just block all the retarded "apps" it's much more tollerable |
| 06:34.11 | Arrowmaster | OMFG |
| 06:34.18 | Shirik | I don't check facebook |
| 06:34.20 | tekkub | though at that point it's just a glorified twitter |
| 06:34.20 | Shirik | so it doesn't matter anyway :) |
| 06:34.27 | tekkub | yea I really don't either |
| 06:34.42 | Arrowmaster | haha nathon fillion dresses up as mal for halloween on the new castle |
| 06:34.42 | tekkub | every few days I get bored and wander over there to see if anything interesting is happening |
| 06:34.46 | tekkub | and nothing ever is |
| 06:36.22 | Shirik | that's more than me |
| 06:36.26 | Shirik | for me it's every few months |
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| 06:38.24 | Dewin | So... did WoW go boom for anyone else? |
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| 06:45.16 | Thunder_Child | not i |
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| 06:51.07 | Shirik | Thunder_Child you scared the crap out of me :P |
| 06:51.13 | Shirik | I was like "who the hell is this guy" for a second |
| 06:51.20 | Shirik | then I saw the website |
| 06:51.21 | Vilkku | Shadowed PLINGPLONG |
| 06:51.42 | WobWork | Shirik: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7MuwPlOiNQ |
| 06:51.50 | WobWork | It's got subtitles, for you non aussies =) |
| 06:52.06 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, heh |
| 06:52.59 | Shirik | lol WobWork |
| 06:55.10 | Shirik | ok that was awesome |
| 06:55.23 | WobWork | KMH is all class =) |
| 06:55.54 | Vilkku | ~seen Shadowed |
| 06:55.55 | purl | shadowed is currently on #wowuidev (3h 22m 22s) #wowace (3h 22m 22s), last said: 'but I am about to run to class, so /query whatever you have to say and I'll get back to you in a few hours'. |
| 06:57.12 | Shirik | ahahahahaha |
| 06:57.20 | Shirik | god my project management site thinks I'm a moron |
| 06:57.28 | Shirik | my charts are skyrocketing |
| 06:57.38 | Shirik | "You estimated 10 hours, so I expect 20 hours to completion" |
| 06:57.48 | Shirik | "And I project you will do 12 hours of work" |
| 06:57.56 | Shirik | it's not very confident :) |
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| 07:06.11 | Shirik | see WobWork is nice |
| 07:06.13 | Shirik | he says it's him |
| 07:06.21 | WobWork | hehe |
| 07:06.35 | WobWork | I could have said "This isn't Thunder_child" |
| 07:06.42 | Vilkku | this |
| 07:06.43 | Vilkku | is |
| 07:06.48 | Vilkku | SPARTAAAAAAA? |
| 07:06.54 | Shirik | how are you guys finding me anyway |
| 07:07.00 | WobWork | Through Cairenn =P |
| 07:07.04 | Shirik | does everyone really know my name though? |
| 07:07.07 | WobWork | enabler she is |
| 07:07.16 | Vilkku | Shirik: open irc, and yep, there you are! |
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| 07:07.18 | WobWork | well, you don't go to any trouble hiding it |
| 07:07.30 | WobWork | like... in irc |
| 07:07.38 | WobWork | (Real Name) |
| 07:07.42 | Shirik | well I have no reservations :) |
| 07:07.52 | Shirik | but I don't expect people to go out looking for my name actively |
| 07:07.53 | WobWork | books for a party of 6 on Thursday |
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| 07:08.41 | Shirik | hmmmm |
| 07:08.45 | Shirik | got an invite on linkedin |
| 07:08.56 | Shirik | I don't know the guy, but supposedly he works for the same company as me |
| 07:08.57 | Fisker | tell them to fuck off? :3 |
| 07:09.01 | Shirik | and in the same department too... |
| 07:09.05 | Shirik | but I have absolutely no idea who he is |
| 07:09.13 | Shirik | and I'm sitting here like "should I know him...?" |
| 07:09.16 | Fisker | don't use social networking sites |
| 07:09.17 | Fisker | :( |
| 07:09.23 | Fisker | they're bad for you Shirik |
| 07:09.33 | Shirik | :( |
| 07:09.36 | Fisker | :) |
| 07:09.38 | Shirik | 4chan is better? |
| 07:09.40 | Fisker | yes |
| 07:09.41 | Shirik | anonymous connections? |
| 07:09.42 | Fisker | much better |
| 07:10.26 | WobWork | eh linkedin is fine |
| 07:10.34 | WobWork | add him to the network and ignore him =) |
| 07:11.19 | WobWork | linkedin isn't really a -social- networking site |
| 07:11.44 | WobWork | business networking goes on even if you dislike them =) |
| 07:11.59 | Fisker | And facebook isn't really a social networking site |
| 07:12.04 | Fisker | when you compare it to myspace |
| 07:12.23 | Torhal | But, Fisker, your space is scary. |
| 07:12.30 | WobWork | nods |
| 07:12.34 | WobWork | it's full of milk |
| 07:12.46 | Shirik | I value linkedin far beyond facebook |
| 07:12.59 | Fisker | and i value facebook far beyond myspace |
| 07:13.00 | Fisker | :3 |
| 07:13.09 | Vilkku | I know 0 people who used linkedin |
| 07:13.23 | WobWork | You know at least one! |
| 07:13.23 | Fisker | in this case somewhere between negative infinity and 0 |
| 07:13.28 | WobWork | points to Shirik |
| 07:13.38 | Shirik | I use linkedin ... |
| 07:13.43 | Vilkku | I don't "know" Shirik :P |
| 07:13.50 | Shirik | fine then :( |
| 07:13.59 | WobWork | you know him better than a lot of people on Shirik's linkedin list =) |
| 07:14.01 | Vilkku | unless you want me to <3 |
| 07:14.06 | Shirik | that's not true :/ |
| 07:14.13 | Fisker | get away Vilkku :( |
| 07:14.14 | Fisker | he's mine |
| 07:14.17 | Shirik | all of the people on my linkedin list I know very well |
| 07:14.17 | Fisker | ~kiss Shirik |
| 07:14.18 | purl | ACTION forces Shirik to give Zyn- a big kiss on the forehead |
| 07:14.18 | Shirik | personally |
| 07:14.21 | Fisker | :( |
| 07:14.26 | Shirik | which is why I'm debating ignoring this guy :P |
| 07:14.31 | WobWork | Shirik: That's not the point of linkedin =P |
| 07:14.35 | Shirik | yes it is |
| 07:14.41 | WobWork | that's what facebook is for! |
| 07:14.44 | Shirik | You shouldn't just randomly invite people |
| 07:14.51 | Shirik | It's a professional network |
| 07:14.56 | WobWork | linkedin is all about business networking |
| 07:14.58 | Shirik | you are giving credit to people that you associate with |
| 07:14.59 | Shirik | exactly |
| 07:15.07 | Shirik | and you ruin your reputation by crediting everyone |
| 07:15.23 | Shirik | The "networking" part comes from the 2nd level and 3rd level contacts |
| 07:15.25 | Fisker | can i get credits? |
| 07:15.32 | Shirik | They even TELL you not to add people you don't know |
| 07:15.34 | Torhal | I credit Fisker with the decline of Western civilization. |
| 07:15.34 | WobWork | 2ups Fisker |
| 07:15.48 | Fisker | nice Torhal |
| 07:15.54 | Fisker | will you add it to my linkedin profile? |
| 07:16.25 | Shirik | http://www.linkedin.com/static?key=pop/pop_more_invite_accept |
| 07:16.36 | Vilkku | pop pop |
| 07:16.51 | Thunder_Child | you need a picture Shirik |
| 07:17.03 | WobWork | even if it's a fake one |
| 07:17.08 | Shirik | yes I do |
| 07:17.11 | WobWork | or an old one |
| 07:17.13 | Vilkku | like the placeholder wowi pics :P |
| 07:17.17 | Shirik | I should just take a picture of myself lol |
| 07:17.24 | Shirik | god knows I have the equipment |
| 07:17.40 | Thunder_Child | no comment |
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| 07:18.09 | Shirik | OMG! THEY FINALLY FIGURED IT OUT! |
| 07:18.15 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:18.23 | Shirik | For the last 3 days everyone's been getting spam on our new email accounts that we got |
| 07:18.37 | Shirik | and IT's response has been "no you all are stupid, you turned off the spam filter. turn it back on" |
| 07:18.49 | Shirik | Finally under system downtime I see "In progress: Student spam is not being filtered correctly" |
| 07:18.59 | Shirik | took them 4 days to admit it |
| 07:19.16 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, http://blizzcon.norganna.org/main.php/v/blizzcon2008/Faces/IMG_1497.jpg.html ! |
| 07:19.26 | Shirik | ew |
| 07:19.35 | Thunder_Child | heh |
| 07:20.00 | Shirik | I was sooooo tired when that picture was taken omg |
| 07:20.04 | Shirik | I look dead |
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| 07:21.32 | Thunder_Child | but....thats how you normally look |
| 07:21.36 | Shirik | :( |
| 07:21.42 | `-FISKER_Q | if only you were dead Shirik :( |
| 07:21.53 | Shirik | it would be a very sad world |
| 07:21.55 | Shirik | without me |
| 07:21.56 | WobWork | he would eat your brains? |
| 07:23.06 | `-FISKER_Q | bah |
| 07:23.13 | `-FISKER_Q | i need a vpn that lasts more than 3 hours :( |
| 07:25.27 | Shirik | You can vpn with yourself |
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| 07:26.45 | Shirik | ~wiki SPSS |
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| 07:27.10 | Shirik | .... |
| 07:27.14 | Fisker | herro |
| 07:27.18 | Shirik | Purl needs to l2notinfobox |
| 07:27.24 | Shirik | Herro Fisker |
| 07:27.40 | Shirik | ããã°ãããããã¾ã |
| 07:27.45 | Shirik | ãããã§ããï¼ |
| 07:27.47 | Vilkku | SPSS is an statistics app |
| 07:27.48 | Fisker | i haxd steam |
| 07:29.22 | Shirik | I had a dream |
| 07:29.48 | Shirik | I believe in you Fisker |
| 07:30.25 | Vilkku | now to something completely different |
| 07:30.32 | Vilkku | my guildies say my UI is messy =( |
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| 07:35.43 | Thunder_Child | ...fucking wootoff |
| 07:37.00 | Vilkku | are you now? |
| 07:38.30 | stuf | Shirik: YOU SEEM TO HAVE MISTYPED YOUR EVENING GREETING THERE ;<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< |
| 07:38.40 | Shirik | :( |
| 07:38.45 | stuf | ;_; |
| 07:40.45 | Arrowmaster | son of a bitch |
| 07:40.58 | Arrowmaster | my mplayer doesnt have a52 compiled in it anymore |
| 07:41.41 | tekkub | you know, I wish instead of just a time and "every 3 seconds"... *oT's had stacks |
| 07:41.54 | tekkub | so you could query very easily that renew has 3 ticks left |
| 07:41.58 | tekkub | or whatever |
| 07:42.59 | Thunder_Child | who do i talk to to get transmute master? |
| 07:43.53 | Thunder_Child | nvm |
| 07:45.31 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:49.59 | Thunder_Child | eats Fisker's trout |
| 07:51.59 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:52.16 | Thunder_Child | eats Fisker's other trout |
| 07:52.29 | Fisker | one does not simply eat all my trouts |
| 07:52.31 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:52.39 | Thunder_Child | eats Fisker's other other trout |
| 07:53.31 | Sentri | a lot ne trouts flying around today |
| 07:53.40 | Shirik | er |
| 07:53.42 | Sentri | ne = of |
| 07:53.45 | Shirik | what's with teh violence |
| 07:53.52 | Shirik | I did not know Thunder_Child could be so violent |
| 07:54.01 | Shirik | or rather, be so hungry |
| 07:54.02 | Thunder_Child | eating trout is violent? |
| 07:54.07 | Shirik | it is to the trout |
| 07:54.31 | Thunder_Child | i think it's dead from the hitting |
| 07:56.06 | Shirik | perhaps |
| 07:56.42 | mitch0 | friggin jvm crashed again :( |
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| 07:59.35 | Fisker | fu Shirik :( |
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| 08:08.33 | Shirik | mitch0, l2notcrashit |
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| 08:10.56 | Shirik | Thunder_Child |
| 08:11.42 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 08:12.08 | Shirik | kbye |
| 08:12.45 | Fisker | :( |
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| 08:12.47 | Fisker | bai Shirik|AFK |
| 08:12.49 | Fisker | i miss you |
| 08:14.23 | Vilkku | heh, a friend called |
| 08:14.31 | Vilkku | "lecture starts in three minutes" |
| 08:21.11 | Wobin | Vilkku, I suspect you're late |
| 08:21.21 | Vilkku | I suspect I won't be attending :P |
| 08:21.43 | Vilkku | I thought it started tomorrow |
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| 08:30.48 | Wobin | http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/10/23/russia.skating.bear.death/index.html |
| 08:31.10 | mitch0 | old |
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| 08:35.18 | Wobin | hm |
| 08:35.18 | Wobin | http://media2.slashfilm.com/slashfilm/images/ATEAM_REV_01_10-10-09.jpg |
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| 08:44.20 | Kalroth | Wobin: woop! |
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| 08:45.28 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
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| 09:21.58 | Wobin | http://mightygodking.com/index.php/2009/10/26/this-again-2/ |
| 09:22.04 | Wobin | I like Tank: The Tankening |
| 09:24.39 | mikma | wobin: u sux |
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| 09:27.21 | Wobin | mikma, you stayed up to read them, didn't you? |
| 09:27.35 | mikma | nope |
| 09:27.40 | Wobin | well you should have |
| 09:27.54 | mikma | i played some l4d and went to bed |
| 09:28.09 | mikma | then i wokw up 6h later and went into school |
| 09:28.53 | mikma | 3h~ lef, rai rai |
| 09:29.17 | mikma | tpyos over 3G =( |
| 09:29.45 | Wobin | is it l4d2? |
| 09:29.55 | mikma | not yet |
| 09:30.09 | mikma | i get my beta on thursday |
| 09:30.19 | Fisker | damn |
| 09:30.20 | mikma | pre-downloaded it already tho |
| 09:30.40 | Fisker | looks like my non-existing facebook account has been hacked |
| 09:30.51 | Fisker | and apparently my name is tanja |
| 09:31.00 | mikma | ~fisker++ |
| 09:32.05 | mikma | goddamnit, toc10hc today |
| 09:33.08 | haste | mikma: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg3DzPI2G7c -- what I think of everytime you say: rai rai |
| 09:37.01 | mikma | haste: i'll have a look when i get home |
| 09:38.01 | Vilkku | mikma, whats goddamnit about that? |
| 09:44.47 | mikma | vilkku: with the finnish guild i am in, iits wioe wipe wipe whine wipe success =D |
| 09:44.58 | mikma | +typos |
| 09:45.30 | mitch0 | well, if you play with that accuracy, it's no wonder |
| 09:45.37 | mitch0 | heal heal, HS oops |
| 09:46.05 | mikma | mitch0: i dont heal (hah yes i do), i am a blood dk tank |
| 09:46.38 | Kalroth | what's the problem then?! hero class! |
| 09:46.59 | mikma | the fact that we are still wiping ;) |
| 09:47.15 | mikma | i dont mind, i do my dailies to pay the repairs |
| 09:47.38 | Kalroth | What's going wrong? kiting failures, healing failures, tanking faliures? |
| 09:48.01 | mikma | first two usually |
| 09:48.22 | mikma | rare about the tanking, we die because dps has died and adds kill healers, etc |
| 09:48.58 | mikma | ok, class continues -> |
| 09:51.58 | haste | I remember back in TBC |
| 09:52.08 | Kalroth | When you were young |
| 09:52.13 | haste | some MT managed to queue himself for some BG, and had auto-accept on |
| 09:52.20 | Kalroth | haha |
| 09:52.25 | haste | while tanking nef on what looked to be their first kill |
| 09:58.49 | Bruners | haste: you did nef in tbc ? |
| 09:59.05 | Wobin | hm, inglorious basterds is difficult to watch with only cyrillic subtitles |
| 10:00.39 | Kalroth | whyyy |
| 10:00.47 | Fisker | hey haste |
| 10:02.27 | haste | Bruners: durr, obviously tired! |
| 10:02.41 | haste | I barely played TBC even :P |
| 10:03.15 | bleeter | what? only two hours??!! |
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| 10:03.48 | haste | bleeter: no, quite a lot more than that |
| 10:04.36 | Kalroth | granpa haste |
| 10:05.30 | haste | baww |
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| 10:13.38 | Fisker | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
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| 10:26.09 | Mikk | fiskers trout with great haste |
| 10:27.08 | Mikk | oh. my. god. |
| 10:27.11 | Mikk | i just saw the connection |
| 10:27.26 | Mikk | trolling. as in troll fishing. as in a fisherman. as in "Fisker" in danish |
| 10:35.24 | Fisker | slaps Mikk around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:38.32 | bleeter | slaps Mikk around with a trouty Fisker |
| 10:38.53 | Mikk | bleets |
| 10:41.26 | bleeter | Mikks the French scientologists around with a Fiskery trout |
| 10:55.30 | Kalroth | tapes Fisker to Mikk and runs. |
| 10:55.48 | Mikk | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
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| 10:55.58 | Kalroth | haa haa, you got a Fisker stuck on you |
| 10:56.04 | Mikk | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 10:56.29 | Kalroth | dips Mikk in warm water and the Fisker unsticks. |
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| 11:13.32 | Vilkku | Shadowed! did you identify the issue? as you updated it |
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| 11:19.07 | Fisker | FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- |
| 11:19.29 | Fisker | my ragefaceeeeeeeeeee |
| 11:20.10 | Fisker | wtf |
| 11:20.30 | Fisker | WHYYYYYYYYYY |
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| 11:25.28 | Fisker | RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 11:25.33 | Fisker | |----------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|-----| |
| 11:25.37 | Fisker | -10                 0          ^Anime characters with big swords.                                                9000 ^ME |
| 11:25.56 | Fisker | i hope you all die |
| 11:25.59 | Fisker | especially you haste |
| 11:30.04 | bleeter | no u |
| 11:31.50 | Arrowmaster | your at -9? |
| 11:33.21 | Fisker | get better font Arrowmaster ;( |
| 11:33.32 | Arrowmaster | i have a great font |
| 11:34.02 | Arrowmaster | but your "^ME" wraped around to the next line |
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| 11:34.47 | Fisker | oh |
| 11:34.52 | Fisker | l2betterresolution |
| 11:34.59 | Fisker | turd! |
| 11:35.00 | Fisker | :D |
| 11:36.18 | stuf | the text fails with monospace fonts :< |
| 11:36.21 | stuf | :<<<<<<<<<<<<< |
| 11:36.23 | stuf | I AM DISAPPOINT |
| 11:37.25 | Arrowmaster | so which anime characters with big swords were you referring too? |
| 11:38.04 | Arrowmaster | it better have been Guts because theres nobody with a big sword cooler than Guts |
| 11:39.04 | Fisker | like those who run through a million guys with this huge sword and rage epically |
| 11:39.19 | Arrowmaster | so Guts |
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| 11:49.33 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: http://www.findmanga.com/manga/Berserk/17/9 read from that page to 17/14 |
| 11:50.41 | mikma | haha, mikksker! |
| 11:52.04 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: you will never be better than Guts |
| 11:53.28 | Balreign | Laintime > all |
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| 12:07.35 | Fisker | oh u Arrowmaster |
| 12:08.41 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: do you have a metal hand with a mini cannon in it? i didnt think so..... guts > you |
| 12:11.17 | Wobin | http://acidcow.com/pics/4553-dead-flies-art-15-pics.html |
| 12:12.25 | Fisker | maybe i do, maybe i don't |
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| 12:33.25 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Itz2ghPDiEY&feature=player_embedded |
| 12:52.39 | kd3 | lmao; was wondering how long it was going to take |
| 12:53.01 | kd3 | [re-re-re-encode][something].gif -- High quality GIF files. Great for in-browser viewing. |
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| 13:01.45 | Wobin | hm |
| 13:01.54 | Wobin | there appears to be a lot of sex in Dragon Age |
| 13:02.07 | Wobin | every single character intro has them doing the dirty with another |
| 13:02.11 | Wobin | (well, except the dog one) |
| 13:02.16 | mikma | wobin and haste: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/dark_humor592.jpg |
| 13:03.09 | Wobin | ^^ |
| 13:03.40 | stuf | http://www.kuvalauta.fi/b/src/125663510025.jpg oh wow |
| 13:03.47 | stuf | i kindof got a chuckle from this |
| 13:03.51 | stuf | and i didn't feel bad! |
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| 13:51.48 | bleeter | doesn't start truly delivering until around page 6 http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20677230604&sid=1 |
| 13:52.52 | bleeter | maybe page 4 |
| 13:53.12 | Adys | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20677230604&sid=1&pageNo=2#37 |
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| 13:56.04 | bleeter | Adys: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20677230604&sid=1&pageNo=7#129 is pretty good |
| 14:01.34 | olafski | funny thread |
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| 14:08.07 | Fisker | ~kiss Fisker |
| 14:08.07 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker to give fl1st4r a big kiss on the forehead |
| 14:09.28 | Pneu^ | manwhore |
| 14:15.43 | Fisker | ~kiss Fisker |
| 14:15.44 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker to give svenadh a big kiss on the lips |
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| 14:19.14 | ZorbaBeta | there's definitely a non-UI-mod-related disconnect issue, however. I've been trying to debug it myself considering how often it gets blamed on questhelper |
| 14:19.23 | ZorbaBeta | and I was able to semireliably duplicate it with absolutely no UI mods running :P |
| 14:20.40 | Lopeppeppy | You posts details somewhere? |
| 14:20.57 | Lopeppeppy | Many very specific yummy detailed steps of reproducibility? |
| 14:21.39 | ZorbaBeta | no, it mostly came down to "hmm, if I turn everything off, then about one time out of two I autodisconnect" |
| 14:21.54 | ZorbaBeta | I need to do some more testing, I think it might have been correlated with me downloading something on Steam at the same time |
| 14:24.56 | Lopeppeppy | Silly bear. If it's not game related, the dino cannot be of helping for you!!! |
| 14:25.19 | Lopeppeppy | But if you can say it's a game issue and post me some juicy reproduction steps, I will try to shove it under the feeding trough. |
| 14:26.07 | ZorbaBeta | It's "game related" in the sense that WoW shouldn't be autodisconnecting at all :) |
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| 14:26.24 | ZorbaBeta | from what I've heard, I suspect it's a really unpredictable issue |
| 14:26.26 | Ackis | I cut myself shaving :( |
| 14:26.32 | Ackis | badly |
| 14:27.02 | ZorbaBeta | I *suspect* it's a combination of a large number of "performance is not 100%" cases |
| 14:27.06 | Lopeppeppy | Is it WoW dcing, or your network forcing the issue? That's the question. |
| 14:27.36 | ZorbaBeta | I strongly doubt it's my network, since it happens much more frequently on my laptop ;) |
| 14:28.02 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: Is your laptop connected via wireless while your desktop is not? |
| 14:28.08 | ZorbaBeta | thrae, both wired |
| 14:28.15 | Thrae | Hmm, interesting. |
| 14:28.40 | ZorbaBeta | My hunch - and not that I have anything to back this up with, but if the hunch is correct, I can never have anything to back this up with - is that the server is somewhat overzealous on disconnecting people for a variety of didn't-handshake-fast-enough, and the client is occasionally not quite fast enough at responding to those issues |
| 14:28.48 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: Well, remember "your network" also includes your route to your gateway and your ISP, too. |
| 14:29.10 | ZorbaBeta | so, lots of connection lag? disconnect. slow computer? disconnect. loading into a busy place, like Dalaran? disconnect. Lots of UI mods, causing slower loading? Disconnect. |
| 14:29.24 | Thrae | And your route from your ISP's network to Blizzard's network, which includes a network probably not owned by your ISP. |
| 14:29.32 | ZorbaBeta | But maybe you need 2 out of the 4. Or 3 out of the 4. |
| 14:29.39 | ZorbaBeta | thrae, sure, but why would it disconnect on my laptop but not my desktop? |
| 14:29.48 | ZorbaBeta | the two connections meet at the router sitting two feet from me |
| 14:29.51 | Lopeppeppy | laptop has more hate-chips? |
| 14:29.54 | ZorbaBeta | it's not like they're going over different paths from there :P |
| 14:30.00 | ZorbaBeta | the laptop *is* substantially slower, however. |
| 14:30.02 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: Ah, sorry, this window is only about 6 columns big on irssi. |
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| 14:30.49 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: I would up the settings on your desktop until your FPS drops to the level your laptop normally has on *average* (not just in raids / other taxing situations) and see if you experience similar problems. |
| 14:30.51 | imbrandon | irssi ftw :) |
| 14:30.51 | Ackis | fatty pic alert: http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs029.snc3/11635_164595606685_512851685_2941461_8274697_n.jpg I did that this morning :( |
| 14:31.11 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: I know someone who's computer has slowed down to basically 1-5 FPS in Dalaran and they can keep connected. |
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| 14:31.44 | ZorbaBeta | sure, but can they do that while downloading off Steam? ;) |
| 14:31.51 | ZorbaBeta | 'cause my theory is that it's a combination of performance-related factors. |
| 14:32.09 | mitch0 | could be shitty home router dropping connections |
| 14:32.15 | ZorbaBeta | either creating a performance issue, or possibly creating some kind of a wacky race condition. it's impossible to say without the source. |
| 14:32.24 | ZorbaBeta | mitch, as mentioned, it does not occur on my desktop, only on my laptop |
| 14:32.47 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: Do we have different OSes on the two computers? |
| 14:33.02 | ZorbaBeta | both xp64 |
| 14:33.28 | Ackis | http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-scientology28-2009oct28,0,2776884.story |
| 14:33.51 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: Yeah, that's kinda crappy right there. XP 64-bit was a hack of 2003's 64-bit kernel and isn't as polished as Vista, especially for laptops. |
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| 14:34.32 | imbrandon | yea, likely a bad nic driver dropping connections in the lappy |
| 14:34.36 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: I would buy the Windows 7 Family Pack and give a 1 copy to a friend or family member if you don't have a third computer. It'll be a great upgrade for you and worth the money. |
| 14:34.40 | imbrandon | s/connections/packets |
| 14:35.17 | ZorbaBeta | thrae, sadly win7 has a few UI issues that are currently showstoppers for me. Maybe once the third-party improvements catch up. |
| 14:35.37 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: Third-party UI issues? |
| 14:35.41 | imbrandon | ZorbaBeta: in that case, drop back to 32bit then |
| 14:35.58 | ZorbaBeta | imbrandon, no can do, I need the RAM availability |
| 14:36.05 | ZorbaBeta | thrae, first-party UI issues that third-party mods solve |
| 14:36.16 | imbrandon | PAE = ram avilability |
| 14:36.16 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: Like? |
| 14:36.18 | ZorbaBeta | imbrandon, also, I've had basically zero trouble with this. I honestly don't believe it's the net driver issue |
| 14:36.36 | Kraps | morning |
| 14:36.38 | ZorbaBeta | I could reproduce the disconnect 9/10 with all UI mods turned on, and about 1/2 with all UI mods turned off |
| 14:36.39 | mitch0 | zorba: ethereal it |
| 14:37.00 | ZorbaBeta | thrae, the big issue is that win7's taskbar is not as rearrangeable as XP's is with a third-party utility |
| 14:37.16 | ZorbaBeta | win7 wants to keep every tab from a single program adjacent to each other, and that's actually a serious problem for me because I rearrange tabs based on task |
| 14:37.38 | ZorbaBeta | meanwhile, there's several third-party xp utilities that allow me to rearrange taskbar tabs arbitrarily. |
| 14:37.46 | ZorbaBeta | mitch, yeah, I might give it a try after I finish the game I'm playing |
| 14:38.10 | mitch0 | you can never "finish" wow, silly |
| 14:38.11 | mitch0 | :P |
| 14:38.19 | ZorbaBeta | conveniently I'm not playing WoW ;) |
| 14:38.48 | Thrae | You can "finish" a game in WoW, a game of PvP ;) |
| 14:40.59 | tlund | mitch0: what do I do when I have the BiS gear for both specs, all pets, all mounts, all achievements? |
| 14:41.11 | ZorbaBeta | tlund, wait for the next content patch |
| 14:41.16 | ZorbaBeta | alternatively, start an alt. |
| 14:41.50 | mitch0 | tlund: visit a therapist |
| 14:41.57 | tlund | that argument is quite stupid, its like saying "you cant finish eating an apple, because you can always eat another apple" |
| 14:42.05 | tlund | mitch0: thats a better answer! ;) |
| 14:42.29 | Ackis | fyi: http://www.curseforge.com/jobs/ |
| 14:44.52 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: Have you looked into Emerge Desktop? |
| 14:45.01 | ZorbaBeta | tlund, but what if the apple itself continuously regrows? :) |
| 14:45.31 | krka | no, it's more like: "You can't finish eating apples" |
| 14:45.41 | krka | "What if i eat every single apple in the world?" |
| 14:45.46 | ZorbaBeta | thrae, I haven't, no |
| 14:45.52 | ZorbaBeta | it looks possibly interesting |
| 14:46.13 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: You should check it out. Users say it works fine on Windows 7, which basically uses the same shell as Vista. |
| 14:46.45 | Thrae | ZorbaBeta: And you can keep the same basic desktop setup between your current XP 64-bit setup and Windows 7 upgrade ;) |
| 14:48.07 | Lukian | ZorbaBeta, you can do that in windows 7 without a 3rd party util |
| 14:48.36 | tlund | ZorbaBeta: haha :) |
| 14:48.38 | tlund | ZorbaBeta: good!" |
| 14:49.09 | ZorbaBeta | lukian, how can you split multiple windows from one app apart so they are no longer contiguous on the taskbar? |
| 14:49.30 | Lukian | you can, but then you lose the ability to rearrange them I'd guess :p |
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| 14:49.40 | ZorbaBeta | as far as I know you can't :P |
| 14:49.54 | Lukian | anyway, it's the same way you do in XP, "don't group windows" taskbar properties |
| 14:50.00 | ZorbaBeta | no, that's different |
| 14:50.09 | ZorbaBeta | that stacks them up into vertical stacks so that you get a single button for all windows |
| 14:50.33 | ZorbaBeta | you can ungroup them into multiple windows, and you can still rearrange them, but it pulls all the other windows along with it so they're always adjacent |
| 14:51.06 | Lukian | I wonder if there's a registry setting :> |
| 14:51.18 | ZorbaBeta | if there is, nobody had discovered it a month ago |
| 14:51.27 | Lukian | anyway you can always use a 3rd party shell ^_^ |
| 14:51.46 | ZorbaBeta | Yah. But xp64 works quite well, and so I haven't seen a whole lot of reason to switch yet. |
| 14:52.03 | ZorbaBeta | It seems silly to reinstall my OS so I can use a third-party shell to duplicate a feature I already have. |
| 14:52.12 | Lukian | better memory management (finally caught up with unix/linux) |
| 14:55.43 | imbrandon | or you do one of two things, use the feature as it was intended, e.g. multipal desktops with progams seperated by task in win7 instead of the workarround youve gotten used to. or two and the better solution IMHO is get a real computer/os based on unix e.g. macos or linux |
| 14:58.00 | imbrandon | either way you need to ethreal the net connection to truely see wth is going on |
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| 14:58.26 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 14:58.32 | Fisker | THIS FUCKING SNIPER IS LEGENDARY |
| 14:58.44 | Ackis | Fisker: can xbox and pc play together? |
| 14:58.51 | Fisker | what the fuck do you think? |
| 14:59.13 | ZorbaBeta | imbrandon, sadly, by my definition, neither macos or linux are real OSes for me |
| 14:59.34 | Ackis | Fisker: no, however some games do allow pc and xobx to play together :P |
| 14:59.50 | Skrap | Fisker: what are you playing? |
| 15:00.25 | imbrandon | ZorbaBeta: true, someone that uses a 64bit OS beacuse they dont know about PAE would likely think that. my mistake |
| 15:00.29 | Fisker | http://i33.tinypic.com/2hi5sme.jpg |
| 15:00.37 | Fisker | Skrap i'm playing your mom of course |
| 15:01.27 | Thrae | PAE works differently for different versions of Windows kernels because of licensing issues. See http://www.geoffchappell.com/viewer.htm?doc=notes/windows/license/memory.htm. |
| 15:01.49 | Skrap | not in front of the kids man! how did you get into the school anyway? |
| 15:02.00 | Fisker | watch it motherfucker |
| 15:02.01 | Fisker | (ackis) |
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| 15:05.08 | cog|work | forgot about tuesdays |
| 15:05.51 | Lopeppeppy | Sweetie, Tuesday has been Tuesday for... years now. |
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| 15:07.09 | ZorbaBeta | imbrandon, man, you *could* have tried to learn what the problem I had was, but you just decided to leap into personal attacks and incorrect assumptions. We are all lessened by your hastiness. |
| 15:07.23 | Skrap | Lopeppeppy: tuesdays is one of them newfangled thingies that kids nowadays do |
| 15:07.52 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, Cogwheel is a hep cat, he knows about what the whippersnappers are getting into ont he lawn |
| 15:09.33 | Arrowmaster | although PAE does allow more than 4gb of ram to be used on a 32bit system, all desktop versions of windows lock the max ram to 4gb on 32bit versions for compatibility reasons, so dont worry ZorbaBeta, imbrandon doesnt know what the fuck hes talking about |
| 15:09.52 | Ancu | so, how is everyone? |
| 15:09.56 | Lopeppeppy | is a vision of sweetness and light!!!!!!! |
| 15:10.15 | Skrap | erm, is dizziness a symptom of deteriorating eyesight? |
| 15:10.15 | Ancu | bull |
| 15:10.23 | ZorbaBeta | arrow, on top of that, the reason I wanted a 64-bit system was so I could write 64-bit programs and take advantage of the address space within a single process ;) |
| 15:10.25 | Ancu | :P |
| 15:10.52 | ZorbaBeta | hard to do that with the horrible mess that is PAE |
| 15:11.12 | ZorbaBeta | (although I've never ended up succeeding, every time I've wanted to my tools have ended up inadequate and I've found a workaround. Ah well.) |
| 15:11.16 | Kalroth | will you rewrite QH to 64bit?! |
| 15:11.26 | ZorbaBeta | kalroth, I was trying to get my local build tools 64-bit at one point |
| 15:11.44 | Kalroth | oh |
| 15:11.45 | ZorbaBeta | unfortunately luajit doesn't support 64-bit and I decided luajit was more important, since I was going to end up sharding it for distributed computing eventually anyway |
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| 15:12.21 | sylvanaar | does standard lua run 64 bit without a patch?> |
| 15:13.09 | sylvanaar | ie - compiled as 64 bit |
| 15:13.09 | ZorbaBeta | sylvanaar, yeah |
| 15:13.18 | sylvanaar | not the 32 bit exe |
| 15:13.20 | ZorbaBeta | standard lua is pretty much pure portable C code |
| 15:13.29 | ZorbaBeta | it'll run on just about anything you want |
| 15:13.49 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 15:13.49 | Ancu | may I point out that the address bus usualy isn't longer then 40bits on the address buss anyway? the only difference is the more ram as far as I have studied. I know this is worng because of the lack of compatability, but I haven't found reason for it yet |
| 15:13.51 | Fisker | awesome right? |
| 15:14.07 | ZorbaBeta | ancu, true, but it's hard to access 5gb of RAM with a 32bit address bus |
| 15:14.08 | mitch0 | there's also http://code.google.com/p/llvm-lua/ |
| 15:14.18 | ZorbaBeta | 40 bits is enough for just about anything right now, 32 bits is not. |
| 15:14.33 | Ancu | I will agree with that |
| 15:15.11 | theorbtwo | While we're on the topic of QH plans, any plans to make it into a library sort of thing, so various addons can suggest that you go places, and QH sticks them together into a route, letting you pick high-level priorities? |
| 15:15.18 | Ancu | but why do you practicaly need an emulator to run 32bit programs in a 64bit environment |
| 15:15.45 | mitch0 | ancu: ? |
| 15:15.48 | ZorbaBeta | theorbtwo, yes, and if you know a UI mod that would be interested in hooking into that, let me know and I'll sit down with the author and start making the API for it |
| 15:15.54 | ZorbaBeta | I just haven't had much incentive ;) |
| 15:15.57 | sylvanaar | you dont need an emulator |
| 15:16.09 | krka | ZorbaBeta: will QH support suggesting quests to pick up, depending on which ones you've already completed, and which ones you are eligable to start? |
| 15:16.10 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 15:16.10 | Fisker | you |
| 15:16.11 | Fisker | YOU |
| 15:16.26 | Ackis | what did I do now? |
| 15:16.26 | Ackis | :P |
| 15:16.40 | theorbtwo | Ackis -- ARL supporting QH integration for getting recepies would be very interesting. |
| 15:16.42 | ZorbaBeta | krka, immediately after 3.3, no. Somewhat after 3.3, hopefully. |
| 15:16.44 | Ancu | sylvanaar: Windows on Windows |
| 15:16.57 | sylvanaar | Ancu what emulator are you talking about |
| 15:17.04 | Ancu | its an emulator that emulates a 32 bit environment |
| 15:17.06 | ZorbaBeta | it's hard to determine eligibility, and I have a reasonably elegant way to start gathering that data . . . after 3.3 is released |
| 15:17.13 | Ancu | windows on windws |
| 15:17.20 | ZorbaBeta | ancu, that's more virtualization than emulation |
| 15:17.33 | Ancu | /s/windws/windows |
| 15:17.41 | sylvanaar | Ancu are you refering to wow64 or xp compatiblity mode |
| 15:17.50 | ZorbaBeta | wow64 I believe. |
| 15:18.08 | Ancu | did I do that wrong again? I am talking about wow64 I think |
| 15:18.09 | Thrae | Ancu: That's not an emulator, and it's WOW64 on 64-bit versions of Windows. |
| 15:18.39 | Ancu | that makes the program focus on only 32 bits of ram no? |
| 15:18.43 | Ackis | theorbtwo: ARL is too busiy logging your keys! :D |
| 15:19.24 | Thrae | Ancu: It's a compatibility / translation layer. |
| 15:19.32 | Elkano | hmm... the key logging, wasn't that my code? |
| 15:19.34 | krka | ZorbaBeta: cool, that would be helpful in trying to get loremaster |
| 15:19.37 | Ackis | theorbtwo: but what do you mean QH integration? (haven't been following the conv) and I'm afk here now for a few minutes |
| 15:19.46 | Ackis | Elkano: totally :D |
| 15:19.49 | Ancu | thrae: thats diferent from an emulator how? |
| 15:19.57 | Thrae | Remember that fun 'ol acronym -- WINE = WINE Is Not an Emulator |
| 15:20.07 | Ancu | but it is |
| 15:20.08 | ZorbaBeta | krka, yeah, at the very least I'm going to (hopefully) have it rigged up to show little hotspots for every questgiver that gives a quest that you don't have |
| 15:20.13 | Ancu | its a windows emulator |
| 15:20.13 | krka | ZorbaBeta: if you have the data, a good start would be to list questgivers for quests you haven't completed on the map |
| 15:20.18 | mitch0 | is not |
| 15:20.19 | krka | lol |
| 15:20.23 | ZorbaBeta | ;) |
| 15:20.25 | krka | you read my mind |
| 15:20.29 | ZorbaBeta | that'll probably be the 3.3 implementation of the "help-with-loremaster" thing. Past that gets more compliacted. |
| 15:20.33 | Thrae | Ancu: It's a translation layer, like WOW64. It translates the commands instead of emulating an entire system. |
| 15:20.33 | theorbtwo | Ackis: Where currently there's a button to press to add a waypoint, add a questhelper goal. |
| 15:20.34 | krka | almost scary how similar our statements were |
| 15:20.49 | ZorbaBeta | At some point in the future there's two features I really want to add |
| 15:20.54 | Ancu | Okay, that mkes sense actualy |
| 15:20.57 | ZorbaBeta | "track all my quests, plus quest chains two quests deep" |
| 15:21.01 | krka | ZorbaBeta: yeah, more advanced would be to add it to the optimal route code |
| 15:21.02 | ZorbaBeta | and "find me an upgrade for this slot" |
| 15:21.13 | krka | but that gets hairy for the huge increase in nodes |
| 15:21.16 | ZorbaBeta | both are doable, but complicated. |
| 15:21.17 | Fisker | did you see my awesome sniper Ackis ? |
| 15:21.20 | Thrae | Ancu: An emulator would take up a hell of a lot more resources, since it would be an OS inside an OS. |
| 15:21.23 | theorbtwo | ZorbaBeta: Suggesting using flightpoints we don't have yet would be interesting, as would a slider for the value of money in minutes to determine when we should walk instead of fly. |
| 15:21.37 | ZorbaBeta | theorb, yeah, I've thought of both of those. QH 0.x actually did the first one |
| 15:21.45 | ZorbaBeta | I just forgot to reimplement it in 1.x and haven't gotten around to it |
| 15:21.49 | theorbtwo | Aha. |
| 15:21.58 | Thrae | Ancu: Actually, it would be a computer inside a computer in the case of 64/32 bits, since the emulator would emulate the entire 32-bit processor, since it's an emulator. |
| 15:22.00 | theorbtwo | I did like the qh find, but I understand why that's hard. |
| 15:22.02 | ZorbaBeta | really, the problem with QH is by no means ideas, it's just how much free time Zorba has ;) |
| 15:22.14 | theorbtwo | Nod. |
| 15:22.15 | Thrae | OS inside an OS is virtualization. |
| 15:22.23 | ZorbaBeta | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:22.59 | theorbtwo | ZorbaBeta: Hm, if the problem is install size, you could package that data as a seperate addon, so it's optional. |
| 15:23.07 | Ancu | thrae: Okay, I can see that. But why is it necesary. I wouldn't think that a 32 bit problem would have a problem with a 64 bit, or more acurately a 40 bit (j/k I understand that whole isue), environment |
| 15:23.07 | sylvanaar | Ancu its not an emulator - at best its a subsytem execution environment |
| 15:23.15 | krka | /qh find? |
| 15:23.18 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:23.20 | ZorbaBeta | theorb, yeah, but that's a lot of added complexity |
| 15:23.24 | ZorbaBeta | both for users, and for me |
| 15:23.37 | ZorbaBeta | if I had some kind of clever way to wrap it into the QH page and client I would, but I don't |
| 15:23.43 | krka | what does qh find do? |
| 15:23.47 | ZorbaBeta | krka, "/qh find sylvanas" |
| 15:23.52 | ZorbaBeta | bink, now you have a waypoint to Sylvanas Windrunner |
| 15:23.52 | krka | ah i see |
| 15:23.54 | theorbtwo | krka: /qh find object would consider object as if it were a quest, and route to it. |
| 15:23.55 | Ancu | sylvanaar: I am already past that |
| 15:24.05 | krka | cool, i did an addon like that once |
| 15:24.13 | krka | i called it AutoTravel ;) |
| 15:24.14 | ZorbaBeta | theorb, I didn't implement item tracking yet, actually |
| 15:24.26 | Ancu | I still dont understand why it is neccesary(sp) |
| 15:24.26 | batbot | Ancu, nothing found. |
| 15:24.27 | ZorbaBeta | the current /qh find only supports npcs |
| 15:24.29 | theorbtwo | Even better, qh find wool cloth would consider all the ways it knows to get wool cloth and point you at the best one. |
| 15:24.43 | krka | /at repair would find anyone who could repair (or anyone named repair) |
| 15:24.48 | sylvanaar | because 32 bit code cant call 64 bit code and visa versa without thunking |
| 15:24.48 | ZorbaBeta | yeah I don't do that yet ;) |
| 15:24.54 | ZorbaBeta | krka, that is something I very much want to add |
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| 15:25.03 | krka | fairly easy to add |
| 15:25.05 | ZorbaBeta | automatic routing to repair NPCs and reagent NPCs, weighted based on how damaged your stuff is |
| 15:25.05 | theorbtwo | ZorbaBeta: I mostly used qh find for locations and items in 0.x. I didn't realize it was back at all. |
| 15:25.17 | krka | automatic routing is overkill i think :) |
| 15:25.18 | ZorbaBeta | theorb, it came back about 36 hours ago, so that's understandable ;) |
| 15:25.25 | krka | users know when they want to repair |
| 15:25.28 | ZorbaBeta | krka, overkill is my middle name |
| 15:25.30 | ZorbaBeta | also, dude |
| 15:25.30 | theorbtwo | Ah. |
| 15:25.33 | ZorbaBeta | these are questhelper users |
| 15:25.38 | ZorbaBeta | these are people who find WoW questing too hard |
| 15:25.42 | krka | _i'm_ a questhelper user :P |
| 15:25.43 | ZorbaBeta | many of them do not know when they want to repair :P |
| 15:25.54 | theorbtwo | qh find location would be trivial, wouldn't it? |
| 15:25.55 | ZorbaBeta | so'm I, but I know for a fact that I forget about it constantly ;) |
| 15:26.00 | ZorbaBeta | theorb, oh yeah, that's in also |
| 15:26.01 | krka | not because it's hard, but because i want to save time |
| 15:26.08 | ZorbaBeta | (and it's a little harder than you'd think, but not hugely) |
| 15:26.09 | theorbtwo | Woo! |
| 15:26.22 | krka | ZorbaBeta: just tagging npcs with repair to search for the closest one should be easy though+ |
| 15:26.27 | krka | write the easy features first :) |
| 15:26.38 | ZorbaBeta | krka, manual tagging sucks though, I need to find an automatic way to tag 'em :) |
| 15:26.43 | krka | yeah |
| 15:26.48 | krka | AT did automatic tagging |
| 15:26.56 | ZorbaBeta | and that means I need some way to distinguish horderepair/alliancerepair/bothrepair as well |
| 15:26.56 | krka | your users can tag upon interact |
| 15:27.08 | krka | just collect data and merge |
| 15:27.09 | theorbtwo | There's lots of addons that notice when you are talking to an npc that does repair. |
| 15:27.16 | ZorbaBeta | Sure. It's all doable. |
| 15:27.17 | krka | alliance toons uploads as "alliancerepair" |
| 15:27.22 | ZorbaBeta | as I said, the bottleneck isn't ideas |
| 15:27.27 | ZorbaBeta | the bottleneck is implementation time |
| 15:27.28 | krka | if you get both alliance+horde on the same npc, you flag as bothrepair |
| 15:27.29 | krka | :P |
| 15:27.32 | Ancu | I would think it would be like cds and dvds, you dont need a virtualization to read a cd with a dvd play do you? thats a bad example because you need a second lazer, so what about usb pen drives then |
| 15:27.41 | krka | trickier to do faction stuff like aldor/scryer |
| 15:27.51 | ZorbaBeta | you find someone to pay me a full-time salary to work on QH, you'll be amazed how fast stuff shows up. Until then, QH continues at its normal pace. :) |
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| 15:28.20 | krka | AT had a fairly different approach though... it _only_ gathered data from the user |
| 15:28.23 | krka | no free data |
| 15:28.39 | krka | so there was less need for filtering and organizing |
| 15:29.26 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, QH's data collection system is both its strength and its relentless, constant, soul-searing agony |
| 15:29.40 | theorbtwo | I'd be perfectly happy ignoring the aldor/scryer thing, you can always hit ignore. |
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| 15:30.24 | theorbtwo | OTOH, it'd be cool to have an "ignore forever, this is wrong alscry faction", and that's one more thing you can dump into data-collection. |
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| 15:32.41 | krka | you could do something advanced like keeping track of which faction an npc belongs to |
| 15:32.50 | ZorbaBeta | krka, I actually already do a lot of that |
| 15:32.56 | krka | then it should be easy |
| 15:32.57 | ZorbaBeta | QH gathers a surprising amount of data that it doesn't yet use |
| 15:33.03 | ZorbaBeta | sure, but that's sorta my point again |
| 15:33.05 | ZorbaBeta | it's definitely easy |
| 15:33.11 | ZorbaBeta | there's a ton of stuff that's easy that I haven't done |
| 15:33.15 | krka | an npc can repair if A) it's a repair npc. B) the toon has neutral or better with that faction |
| 15:33.16 | ZorbaBeta | I just haven't had time. :) |
| 15:33.37 | krka | focus on the loremaster helpings :P |
| 15:33.43 | theorbtwo | Ah, but not all repair people who are scryers only repair scryer players, right? |
| 15:33.50 | krka | i have like 20 quests left in shadowmoon, and i have no idea where to look for them |
| 15:33.51 | mitch0 | krka: and C) he/she ain't broke :P |
| 15:34.10 | krka | mitch0: i don't think i've ever seen a broke npc |
| 15:34.18 | mitch0 | nah, not the npc |
| 15:34.30 | ZorbaBeta | krka, I'm hoping to get that bit working the day 3.3 is released, at least |
| 15:34.30 | theorbtwo | Well, dead, but QH can't really track that. |
| 15:34.31 | mitch0 | oh well, you ruined it |
| 15:34.32 | Fisker | lol Ackis |
| 15:34.40 | Fisker | just found an alien blaster with homing plasma balls |
| 15:34.43 | Ackis | what Fisker? |
| 15:34.43 | krka | theorbtwo: the assumption is that you need to be neutral/friendly/whatever to be able to communicate with a npc |
| 15:34.44 | Ackis | haha |
| 15:34.48 | Ackis | yah those alien things are fun |
| 15:34.49 | Ancu | all the addons that show me where quest are that i havent goten yet cant seem to check the system for ones I have compleated with out the addon on. Why is this? |
| 15:35.03 | theorbtwo | krka: Hm, I see what you mean. |
| 15:35.29 | krka | Ancu: please rephrase in the form of a sentence |
| 15:36.18 | theorbtwo | Ancu: Because WoW doesn't tell addons if you've completed a quest yet. |
| 15:36.18 | theorbtwo | (It will in the next release.) |
| 15:36.18 | Fisker | :3 Ackis |
| 15:36.18 | Fisker | saw my sniper? |
| 15:36.18 | Ackis | yah |
| 15:36.19 | Ackis | I have 2 legendary weapons that I don't use at all |
| 15:36.39 | theorbtwo | Ackis: Are the user data munging scripts in svn? What language are they in? |
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| 15:37.01 | Fisker | it's pretty awesome though Ackis |
| 15:37.05 | Ancu | somthing comes from the server to tell your client that the quest is available or not. What your saying is that this information is not made available to the api hooks that addons use. Corect? |
| 15:37.08 | Fisker | like no cooldown on it's shots and reload at all |
| 15:37.14 | Ackis | theorbtwo: i'm confused, gotta fill me in on what we're talking about |
| 15:37.29 | Ackis | Fisker: I don't have ammo issues now that I have an ammo regen mod |
| 15:38.01 | theorbtwo | Ackis: You've got scripts you run when I email a data file to yaddayaddayadda@quest-helper.org. Are they available to write patches against? |
| 15:38.23 | theorbtwo | Oh, shit. I meant that to be directed at ZorbaBeta. |
| 15:38.25 | Fisker | What's cooldown got to do with ammo Ackis? :# |
| 15:38.26 | Fisker | :3 |
| 15:38.29 | Ackis | theorbtwo: I don't touch quest helper at all, that's all ZorbaBeta |
| 15:38.36 | theorbtwo | ...which would explain why you have no idea what I'm talking about. |
| 15:38.36 | Lopeppeppy | Ancu, the server does not tell us what quests you have or have not completed. |
| 15:38.42 | Ackis | lol |
| 15:38.57 | Pneu^ | not yet, anyway |
| 15:39.09 | ZorbaBeta | theorb, no, they're not, unfortunately. It's one of the really valuable things I have available, and I've been seeing if there's some way I can turn that IP into something more profitable |
| 15:39.12 | ZorbaBeta | (so far unsuccessfully) |
| 15:39.22 | ZorbaBeta | and opening that to the public would decrease its value somewhat. |
| 15:39.30 | theorbtwo | Hm. |
| 15:39.47 | Adys | Is there a way with postgres sql to query for every field matching a calculation? |
| 15:39.55 | Adys | like for example |
| 15:40.04 | Adys | where someflag & 0x100 |
| 15:40.47 | Adys | or |
| 15:40.48 | sylvanaar | does it have modulus |
| 15:41.00 | Adys | where (field1+field2 == 123) |
| 15:41.12 | Adys | I dont know, i rarely touch raw sql at all |
| 15:41.33 | mitch0 | adys: I belive that sort of stuff is pretty basic |
| 15:41.38 | theorbtwo | I wonder if it'd be useful to try to read bits of QH's internals and document them. |
| 15:41.38 | sylvanaar | you can do the field1+field2 thing |
| 15:42.29 | ZorbaBeta | theorb, useful, yes. a task suitable for a madman, also yes. |
| 15:42.29 | theorbtwo | Trying to figure out what I can do to help QH move along, without actually becomming a fulltime QH dev myself. |
| 15:42.36 | theorbtwo | I don't really know lua. |
| 15:42.45 | Adys | sylvanaar: got any doc? |
| 15:42.47 | sylvanaar | Adys ask on stackoverflow |
| 15:42.47 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, QH is probably the optimally bad project for you to start ;) |
| 15:43.06 | mitch0 | adys: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.3/interactive/index.html |
| 15:43.09 | theorbtwo | Ah, but it's a project that interests me. |
| 15:43.11 | Lopeppeppy | one does not climb Everest first thing. |
| 15:43.16 | theorbtwo | I see a lot of potential for cool shit. |
| 15:43.19 | Lopeppeppy | no matter how interesting it is |
| 15:43.19 | ZorbaBeta | QH is a beast. It wouldn't entirely surprise me if it were the most algorithmically complex UI mod out there. Auctioneer *may* threaten it. I don't think any other does. |
| 15:43.24 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, that's why I picked it up :D |
| 15:43.27 | mitch0 | adys: especially http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.3/interactive/functions.html |
| 15:43.34 | ZorbaBeta | and in fairness, I didn't know Lua before I started. So, I mean, it's doable. |
| 15:43.58 | Adys | mitch0: loveyouso |
| 15:44.00 | theorbtwo | Curseforge has a wiki for it -- would that be a reasonable place to put internals docs? |
| 15:44.25 | ZorbaBeta | a better place would honestly be in QH itself. I don't know if you want a wiki format or if you'd be okay with just text files and comments |
| 15:44.27 | mitch0 | adys: next time try googling for "postgres manual" :) |
| 15:44.39 | ZorbaBeta | text files and comments would probably be better for the sake of keeping things in one place, however |
| 15:45.19 | Parks | carbonite > QH |
| 15:45.54 | ZorbaBeta | parks, out of curiosity, what do you prefer about it? |
| 15:45.56 | sylvanaar | gets the popcorn |
| 15:46.23 | Ackis | but QH logs my keys and stuff |
| 15:46.27 | mitch0 | isn't tourguide the bestest though? |
| 15:46.28 | Ackis | and carbonite is the devil! |
| 15:46.28 | Pneu^ | the constant spamming of addon messages, i'd guess |
| 15:46.43 | ZorbaBeta | hey I actually want to know what he likes better, if there really is something ;) |
| 15:46.45 | sylvanaar | i like the carbonite map |
| 15:46.55 | Parks | cant talk now im at work /hide |
| 15:47.01 | ZorbaBeta | pfft :P |
| 15:47.08 | sylvanaar | i think thats pretty clever how they aligned the minimap with the world map |
| 15:47.08 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, from what I hear the carbonite map is nice |
| 15:47.25 | Grum | as nice as cartographer3 |
| 15:47.26 | ZorbaBeta | if I had any interest in it I'd try to make a noncrappy map mod, but I fundamentally don't, so |
| 15:47.39 | sylvanaar | its also really handy for getting the explorer achievement |
| 15:47.53 | ZorbaBeta | (psst explorer is the first thing that's going into QH achievements) |
| 15:47.55 | Grum | how does it help sylvanaar? |
| 15:47.59 | theorbtwo | My problem is that carbonite tried to do everything. Afterwards, the game didn't feel like wow anymore. |
| 15:48.05 | sylvanaar | because the unexplored areas are very dark |
| 15:48.16 | Grum | but every mapmod has that? |
| 15:48.24 | mitch0 | :) |
| 15:48.27 | Grum | foglight (or whatever they call it) with coloring the overlays? |
| 15:48.40 | Pneumatus | i dunno, a lot of mapmods just blindly remove the foglight |
| 15:48.44 | sylvanaar | im not saying its unique |
| 15:48.54 | Grum | even cartographer2 has this hehe :) |
| 15:48.58 | Grum | mapster as well |
| 15:49.02 | Pneumatus | then you have to find some obsucre option to re-enable it |
| 15:49.04 | Grum | dunno of any other mainstream ones |
| 15:49.05 | sylvanaar | except for the minimap/worldmap alignment |
| 15:49.18 | sylvanaar | which so far appears to be unique |
| 15:49.21 | Grum | the minimap tiles stitched is quite nice indeed |
| 15:49.27 | Grum | no, cartographer3 has it as well |
| 15:49.30 | sylvanaar | does it |
| 15:49.32 | Grum | and there were some more |
| 15:49.33 | Grum | yeah |
| 15:50.02 | sylvanaar | ill have to install it then |
| 15:50.18 | Grum | carto3 works quite well but as many ckk things go, unmaintained ;) |
| 15:50.40 | cog|work | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/how_to_find_a_masculine_halloween?utm_source=videoembed |
| 15:50.57 | Grum | a big downside of this all is that the blizzard api is completely oriented around 'a single zone map' |
| 15:51.02 | Parks | but carbonite is cartographer + QH |
| 15:51.23 | Grum | Parks: its even more than just that |
| 15:51.37 | Grum | and obfuscated code .. still .. :'( |
| 15:51.44 | sylvanaar | still? |
| 15:51.47 | Grum | yup |
| 15:51.59 | Grum | he just injected newlines at 'end of command's |
| 15:52.15 | Grum | doesnt make it less obfuscated though :) |
| 15:52.22 | sylvanaar | well |
| 15:53.26 | Parks | obfuscation is your problem, i'm just an end user /hide more |
| 15:53.41 | cog|work | "I hope you parents at home who have faggy acting little boys have been taking notes..." |
| 15:54.00 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, sure, I take lots of notes, sure. |
| 15:54.13 | Grum | sylvanaar: apparently it passes blizzards ToU .. or they just dont care |
| 15:55.31 | krka | they just don't care |
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| 15:56.09 | Seerah1 | doggy riverdance: http://gmy.news.yahoo.com/vid/15469751/ |
| 15:56.18 | theorbtwo | They got a lot of blowback when they introduced those rules, and a lot of it was from carbonite. |
| 15:56.35 | ZorbaBeta | wonder what they'd do if I started asking for donations ingame again :P |
| 15:57.17 | Grum | ZorbaBeta: do you actually get donations? :D |
| 15:57.47 | ZorbaBeta | grum, quite a few. I wouldn't still be doing it otherwise, honestly |
| 15:58.06 | ZorbaBeta | it's fun but so is a lot of other stuff :P |
| 15:58.14 | ArrowmasterClass | ZorbaBeta: how much have you made since say curse started awarding rewards points |
| 15:58.23 | Grum | hehe |
| 15:58.24 | ZorbaBeta | arrow, from curse, or in general? |
| 15:58.28 | Grum | both! |
| 15:58.29 | ArrowmasterClass | in general |
| 15:58.31 | Grum | curious now :D |
| 15:58.41 | ArrowmasterClass | i know youve made more than the $1000 ive made from curse |
| 15:58.45 | mitch0 | I didn't make a penny, if anyone's interested :P |
| 15:59.27 | ZorbaBeta | I'd estimate 10k-15k offhand. |
| 15:59.33 | olafski | what be rewards points :o |
| 15:59.41 | krka | wtf |
| 15:59.42 | zenzelezz | ZorbaBeta: how about main hand? |
| 15:59.48 | Grum | ZorbaBeta: that is quite amazing |
| 15:59.54 | krka | you've made $1000 from addon coding from curse? |
| 15:59.55 | ZorbaBeta | zenzelezz, my main hand generally solos, if you get my drift. |
| 15:59.57 | krka | that's insane |
| 16:00.13 | ZorbaBeta | krka, curse has handed out $2000 to me so far. |
| 16:00.19 | Grum | ZorbaBeta: only a wand in your mainhand? |
| 16:00.27 | ArrowmasterClass | no ive made $1000 from addon coding i did over a year ago from curse |
| 16:00.29 | ZorbaBeta | grum, I prefer to refer to it as an epic staff |
| 16:00.37 | krka | which addon arrowmaste? |
| 16:00.44 | Grum | not even legen....waitforit....dary!? |
| 16:01.07 | ZorbaBeta | nah, it's not renowned enough |
| 16:01.12 | ArrowmasterClass | i get points from most the rock libs, fubar, libfubarplugin-3.0, and the big one cartographer2 |
| 16:01.18 | ZorbaBeta | I need volunteers to help me spread its legend. |
| 16:01.34 | Parks | which addon ZorbaBeta |
| 16:01.39 | Grum | questhelper :P |
| 16:01.39 | ArrowmasterClass | olafski: http://wowace.com/a/author-store-is-launched |
| 16:01.44 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I do Questhelper |
| 16:01.50 | Parks | oh nice |
| 16:01.51 | Grum | ZorbaBeta: alone btw? |
| 16:01.51 | ZorbaBeta | (and two other tiny addons of no particular interest) |
| 16:01.55 | Ackis | john rawr! john smash! |
| 16:01.55 | ZorbaBeta | grum, yep |
| 16:02.04 | olafski | cheers arrowmasterclass :) |
| 16:02.08 | ZorbaBeta | I've had a few people offer to help. None have lasted past about a week of reading the code. ;) |
| 16:02.09 | Grum | quite some nice features you've added tbh |
| 16:02.24 | Grum | if only it wouldn't take eons to load and hog my box and be generally smarter .. i'd be nice =) |
| 16:02.29 | ZorbaBeta | grum, thanks :) I wish I had time to add more stuff |
| 16:02.35 | ZorbaBeta | sadly there's not a whole lot I can do about the loading |
| 16:02.44 | Grum | i actually use it a lot when just generally grinding |
| 16:02.50 | ZorbaBeta | it's limitations in WoW, in user intelligence, and in the update clients |
| 16:02.54 | Grum | but having to turn it off for raiding sucks hehe |
| 16:02.54 | Ackis | ZorbaBeta: your code setup suckx! |
| 16:02.56 | ZorbaBeta | until one of those gets improved it's just gonna take a while |
| 16:03.08 | ZorbaBeta | out of curiousity, though, what's insufficiently smart? |
| 16:03.15 | ZorbaBeta | there's a few known bugs but this might be one of the unknown ones ;) |
| 16:03.27 | ZorbaBeta | ackis, it is effective and easy for me to work on. Everything else tends to be secondary. |
| 16:03.29 | Grum | ZorbaBeta: pathing to 'whatever objective is closest' is sometimes just broken |
| 16:03.36 | Grum | especially when you cross zones |
| 16:03.40 | krka | i think it changes target too often |
| 16:03.44 | krka | if two targets are very close |
| 16:03.46 | Grum | yeah that as well |
| 16:03.48 | ZorbaBeta | grum, well, it doesn't path to whichever one is closest, so I can see why you're having trouble with that ;) |
| 16:03.51 | krka | there should be a limit on how often it switches |
| 16:04.04 | Ackis | ZorbaBeta: I just gave up after looking at the layout of yoru files |
| 16:04.04 | krka | it's just annoying with the "this way! no that way!" |
| 16:04.04 | ZorbaBeta | krka, *usually* that's because it's improving the path later on |
| 16:04.04 | Grum | ZorbaBeta: it paths to the thing that is not the most efficient often :) |
| 16:04.12 | ZorbaBeta | in theory it does converge. I do agree it could use some stabilization. |
| 16:04.22 | ArrowmasterClass | wish i had incentive to code wow addons |
| 16:04.23 | krka | it should prioritize turnins more too, think |
| 16:04.24 | ZorbaBeta | grum, take a screenshot next time it does so without fixing itself for a minute |
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| 16:04.35 | ZorbaBeta | krka, funny thing is, I've had people say it should de-prioritize turnins more |
| 16:04.37 | Grum | basicly, sending me to Maraudon when i am standing next to a quest handin in silithus is meh! =D |
| 16:04.46 | ZorbaBeta | at some point I wish for this to be more customizable and smarter |
| 16:04.48 | mitch0 | arrow: yeah, it's smarter to just attach to already established ones :P |
| 16:04.48 | krka | also, be more greedy |
| 16:04.54 | krka | in fact, much more greedy |
| 16:04.56 | theorbtwo | ZorbaBeta: Sounds to me like it needs a slider for turnin priority. |
| 16:05.01 | Grum | yeah guess so |
| 16:05.04 | ArrowmasterClass | mitch0: not exactly what i mean |
| 16:05.06 | ZorbaBeta | theorb, it needs like a billion sliders honestly |
| 16:05.09 | Grum | but turnin prio is closely related to bagspace :D |
| 16:05.23 | krka | prioritize close stuff higher than far away stuff |
| 16:05.29 | krka | even if the total travel time is lower |
| 16:05.30 | ZorbaBeta | and each one of them is nontrivial to code |
| 16:05.37 | Grum | it also is quite annoying that it hides group quests .. even if the recommended level of that particular quest is 40 below yours :) |
| 16:05.51 | krka | because things tend to change fairly often |
| 16:05.51 | ZorbaBeta | grum, "/qh filter group" |
| 16:05.51 | krka | so optimizing for the long term is not always relevant |
| 16:05.51 | ZorbaBeta | and now it doesn't anymore ;) |
| 16:05.53 | olafski | ackis: checked out Aliens vs Predator? :D |
| 16:05.59 | Grum | yeah, but now you also get raid stuff for lvl80 ;) |
| 16:06.09 | ZorbaBeta | no, that's part of the level filter ;) |
| 16:06.18 | ArrowmasterClass | mitch0: between the curse aquiring wowace, curse/wowi vs wowmatrix, and the addon policy drama i lost all desire to do anything that would benefit the wow player base |
| 16:06.22 | ZorbaBeta | if you can come up with a good realistic way to calculate whether an arbitrary group can take down an arbitrary quest, I'd love to hear it |
| 16:06.26 | ZorbaBeta | I tried a few things and sorta gave up |
| 16:06.35 | krka | ZorbaBeta: thoughts on the greediness? |
| 16:06.38 | mitch0 | arrow: eh ;) |
| 16:06.39 | ZorbaBeta | it's not as broken as it used to be, but it's nowhere near perfect |
| 16:06.39 | Ackis | olafski: no time, have to finish border lands and FM3 before DragonAge comes out! |
| 16:06.39 | Grum | i doubt you can calculate it sadly :( |
| 16:06.51 | theorbtwo | I think it'd be better to have another slider for bagspace prioritization -- that is, adjust the goodness of a target according to N*the number of bag slots used. |
| 16:06.56 | Grum | ZorbaBeta: what is QH doing when it says; 'loading' ? it loads and unpacks all of the quest-data it has ? |
| 16:06.57 | ZorbaBeta | krka, there's a lot of stuff I want to do with regards to greediness and priority. One of them may even happen before 4.0. |
| 16:07.02 | krka | it's better to optimize the route for the 10 closest targets, than for all 50 targets |
| 16:07.06 | ZorbaBeta | Or it might not. *shrug* |
| 16:07.08 | olafski | ackis: it won't be out for a while I think :P |
| 16:07.10 | krka | or even 5 closest targets |
| 16:07.24 | krka | ZorbaBeta: would it be possible to add pluggable strategies? |
| 16:07.30 | krka | like, a pure greedy |
| 16:07.35 | krka | "always pick the next closest" |
| 16:07.50 | ZorbaBeta | grum, decompressing some data structures, calculating the flightpath map, initializing the routing layer, and calculating paths between all objectives |
| 16:07.53 | krka | should have good runtime speed atleast :) |
| 16:08.01 | olafski | ackis: february 2010 |
| 16:08.11 | ZorbaBeta | krka, theoretically, but I don't want to try writing the API for that :) |
| 16:08.22 | Ackis | olafski: I might be done a few games by then |
| 16:08.23 | Grum | ZorbaBeta: i guess with the 'new world' this will become so much easier? |
| 16:08.26 | ZorbaBeta | ask me about it after WoW 5.0 is released |
| 16:08.30 | ZorbaBeta | I may be ready by then :P |
| 16:08.33 | Grum | as you can simply assume someone to have a flying mount? ;D |
| 16:08.35 | krka | meh, i'll just hack it in myself then :P |
| 16:08.38 | theorbtwo | I'm thinking in terms of having each objective have a table of numbers for things like money, bagspace, xp, rep with $various, and you get sliders for the value of each of those. |
| 16:08.43 | ZorbaBeta | grum, no, not really. I certainly can't assume flying mounts :) |
| 16:08.50 | Grum | well you can detect it :) |
| 16:08.52 | ZorbaBeta | it *will* speed up loading for people with epic flying, however |
| 16:09.01 | ZorbaBeta | but the no-flying code still has to exist |
| 16:09.11 | ZorbaBeta | and that's just the flightpath map |
| 16:09.18 | ZorbaBeta | there's a lot of other stuff it does too. |
| 16:09.35 | Grum | how many datapoints are involved in the path generation? is it just entry/exitpoints in zones and then the different zones connected to others? |
| 16:09.50 | Grum | or do you do more smart stuff like actually knowing the path you have to travel in a zone? |
| 16:09.51 | NightHawkTheSane | the last line of this is great. http://notalwaysright.com/five-days-later/2904 |
| 16:09.56 | theorbtwo | On one of my characters I'd love to be able to slide the "rep with gnomes" way up, and stick the xp slider way down, at the moment. |
| 16:10.06 | Grum | think of a zone like thousand needles, a straight line will hit a wall ingame |
| 16:10.09 | ZorbaBeta | QH pathing works in terms of planes. It's assumed that you can walk directly from any point in a plane to any other point in a plane |
| 16:10.24 | ZorbaBeta | each zone is a plane, though if you can fly in a continent, it collapses that entire continent into a plane |
| 16:10.31 | ZorbaBeta | right now I don't try anything with obstacles inside planes |
| 16:10.34 | ZorbaBeta | I'd love to, but, time |
| 16:10.35 | Grum | so its actually not smart |
| 16:10.44 | ZorbaBeta | (I also think there might be some incredible performance issues with it) |
| 16:10.51 | *** join/#wowuidev baco (i=4feacf43@gateway/web/freenode/x-stwhfehmantmvrvb) |
| 16:10.55 | baco | hi |
| 16:10.57 | Grum | do you take in account the mountspeed/distance versus flight time to get somewhere fast? |
| 16:11.09 | ancu_LF_ride_to_ | Ackis? are you the one that made ackis recipie list? |
| 16:11.11 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, that's taken into account. I think. It might still assume players don't use mounts. ;) |
| 16:11.30 | baco | anyone tell me please what "_" in lua means, e.g. local a, _, c = dummy()? |
| 16:11.30 | theorbtwo | Is the list of transition points between planes gathered from user data? The other day, I discovered a shortcut between two zones that QH didn't seem to think existed... |
| 16:11.37 | Grum | ZorbaBeta: hmmm are you sure? it often tells me to run out of a zone when flying is clearly faster :) |
| 16:11.41 | ZorbaBeta | the transition points are actually entirely manual |
| 16:11.50 | Grum | baco: _ is just 'another variable' mostly used to dislpay you are not going to use it |
| 16:11.55 | theorbtwo | ZorbaBeta: Aha. |
| 16:12.00 | ancu_LF_ride_to_ | hey baco, whats up? |
| 16:12.01 | ZorbaBeta | I rigged it up a bit ago to gather transition points automatically, then completely failed to ever implement the build step for it |
| 16:12.23 | Grum | having them static is good enough |
| 16:12.26 | baco | grum, would it be valid to call a function with dummy(a, _, c)? |
| 16:12.36 | baco | hi ancu_LF_ride_to_ |
| 16:12.36 | Grum | euuh use nil then |
| 16:12.38 | ArrowmasterClass | yes but you probably shouldnt |
| 16:12.42 | Grum | dummy(a,nil,c) |
| 16:12.42 | ZorbaBeta | there's actually huge issues with the routing map in Wrath, I did most of them by just looking at Wrath maps and wildly guessing where the links were ;) |
| 16:12.45 | baco | ok thanks |
| 16:12.46 | theorbtwo | I can think, BTW, of one really simple, annoying (in the very early game for a limited set of players, of course) place where splitting a zone into two planes would be nice. |
| 16:12.56 | Grum | if you are calling a function and wanting to give a 'dummy argument', simply use nil |
| 16:13.06 | ZorbaBeta | theorb, which one? |
| 16:13.08 | theorbtwo | You can't walk from rutherian village into the mainland of the zone it's in. |
| 16:13.09 | baco | thanks grum |
| 16:13.12 | ArrowmasterClass | _ is just another variable name, but its just common practice to use it for a variable you have no intention of ever using |
| 16:13.15 | ZorbaBeta | ah, yes |
| 16:13.15 | Parks | ZorbaBeta: just curious, what do you work in outside of QH? |
| 16:13.21 | ZorbaBeta | yeah that would be kind of nice ;) |
| 16:13.43 | ZorbaBeta | parks, I'm trying to start a game studio (www.mandible.net). That and QH take up most of my time. I used to work at Google and built up a good chunk of savings, which, along with QH income, is what I'm living on. |
| 16:13.53 | ancu_LF_ride_to_ | so, Atlas vs Cartographer, please discuss |
| 16:14.00 | ArrowmasterClass | neither |
| 16:14.13 | mitch0 | mapster |
| 16:14.17 | ZorbaBeta | mapster, yeah |
| 16:14.23 | ArrowmasterClass | ZorbaBeta: get somebody to fix my google accounts |
| 16:14.24 | theorbtwo | Fortunately, the split point can be taken as a simple line, parallel to the x axis, and cutting all the way across. |
| 16:14.37 | ZorbaBeta | arrow, don't know anyone in google accounts who could do that ;) |
| 16:14.39 | Parks | google maps |
| 16:15.00 | ZorbaBeta | theorb, it'd be nontrivial to rig that up. there's issues with figuring out where the player is exactly, and with transforming the data appropriately. It's doable, but I'd rather spend the time on things like achievements. |
| 16:15.25 | mitch0 | & |
| 16:15.39 | theorbtwo | ZorbaBeta: Fair enough. |
| 16:15.48 | ZorbaBeta | if anything, that's probably the #1 skill I've learned from QH |
| 16:15.49 | ZorbaBeta | time management :P |
| 16:16.10 | ArrowmasterClass | something im lacking...... |
| 16:16.12 | ancu_LF_ride_to_ | I am seriously considering switching from cartographer to atlas. Can somone please tell me the pros and cons of doing so? |
| 16:16.15 | Lopeppeppy | What is time? |
| 16:16.15 | ArrowmasterClass | i forget what day it is a lot |
| 16:16.17 | Grum | ZorbaBeta: how do you handle the being able to get an item in multiple places? must not make the routeplanning easier |
| 16:16.33 | Grum | ancu_LF_ride_to_: it completely depends what you use your mapmod for |
| 16:16.42 | mitch0 | time is an illusion. lunchtime doubly so |
| 16:17.39 | ZorbaBeta | grum, QH's routing system works internally with "nodes" being the basic primitive. A node is a single location that you can do something in. On top of that is "clusters", which is a set of nodes. A route must have exactly one node from each cluster in order to be valid. |
| 16:17.46 | ZorbaBeta | So that's just a cluster of the various nodes that you can get the items from. |
| 16:17.47 | Lopeppeppy | ancu, the only pro/con is how well you like it, and how well it runs on your system. |
| 16:18.03 | ancu | I use it to be able to walk around with my map up and not have it full screen, and be able to make the background extra invisable so that I can see more of my screen |
| 16:18.03 | Parks | ZorbaBeta: what kind of games do you want to develop? |
| 16:18.05 | Ackis | http://cdn.holytaco.com/www/sites/default/files/images/2009/10/Religion-Flowchart_1.jpg |
| 16:18.31 | Grum | so ZorbaBeta, you basicly generate the complete route for *all* objectives? why not limit it to whatever is in this or neighboring zones? |
| 16:18.37 | ArrowmasterClass | kicks the slow lab computer |
| 16:18.38 | Grum | that should cut down processing a hell of a lot :) |
| 16:18.50 | Grum | (unless ofc when there are no other objectives left to do) |
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| 16:19.27 | ZorbaBeta | grum, 'cause I like QH being smart, and sometimes it does ridiculously clever stuff about routing you through multiple zones :) |
| 16:19.33 | theorbtwo | Grum: Because there's plenty of times when you should be doing that. |
| 16:19.35 | ZorbaBeta | There's the "/qh filter zone" option if you want it to limit to the current zone |
| 16:19.52 | Grum | theorbtwo: why? |
| 16:19.58 | ArrowmasterClass | Ackis: wana place a bet on if tekkub ends up on mormon from that flowchart? |
| 16:20.00 | ZorbaBeta | parks, games that I want to play, basically. I like plot, I like flow. I've been experimenting with game design a lot lately. |
| 16:20.18 | Ackis | ArrowmasterClass: lol |
| 16:20.27 | Grum | ZorbaBeta: yeah well, i dont think it is smart to generate data which most likely will change (because other objectives will be 'closer' in the queue) and therefor its wasted cpucycles? :) |
| 16:20.39 | mitch0 | ackis: no greeks, no nordic gods? |
| 16:21.12 | theorbtwo | Grum: Because you've got a lot of quests to do that aren't around here, and you'd be better off going somewhere else, which might be a flight, a boat, and another flight away? |
| 16:21.50 | Ackis | mitch0: I'm sorry I didn't create it, please file a ticket with the appropriate project. |
| 16:21.55 | Grum | ZorbaBeta: what if you decide to 'queue' the 5-10 closest objectives? that would crush the calculating cost and still make it very useful (and not waste as much when the objectives change) |
| 16:21.56 | ZorbaBeta | grum, that's the thing, you don't know what the correct path is until you've generated it |
| 16:21.59 | Lopeppeppy | I'd rather be a cute little incan. |
| 16:22.10 | ZorbaBeta | sometimes it's a good idea to wander off to the middle of nowhere, then work your way back |
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| 16:22.14 | mitch0 | ackis: I'll just tell thor to smite them with his hammer :) |
| 16:22.15 | olafski | what kind of game are you going to release and on which platform zorbabeta? =) |
| 16:22.15 | Grum | ZorbaBeta: closeness of an objective is quite doable, and you could quantify it in time |
| 16:22.19 | ZorbaBeta | sometimes it's a good idea to work your way out into the middle of nowhere |
| 16:22.30 | ArrowmasterClass | kicks the slow lab DNS that returns nxdomain half the time on the first lookup for a domain |
| 16:22.34 | ZorbaBeta | I like the idea of having the rule be "minimize total time". I think it's a good rule. |
| 16:22.49 | ZorbaBeta | olafski, don't know, probably PC |
| 16:23.00 | Grum | ZorbaBeta: mmm i know this problem from routes as well :P |
| 16:23.13 | Grum | but erm, with routes it is not ever changing |
| 16:23.17 | Grum | or not drasticly |
| 16:23.31 | Lopeppeppy | Random question: anyone else having issues getting apps on Facebook to load? |
| 16:24.19 | Grum | when you are questing in wetlands, having calculations running for stuff in elwynn forest is rather waste of CPU, but obviously when you run out of quests in wetland you *do* want it, so probably the 'closest' top10 objectives timewise would be useful to include |
| 16:24.21 | theorbtwo | ZorbaBeta: OTOH, I like the idea of routing to be to maximize the amount of given-varable you get in the next given-time. |
| 16:25.26 | ZorbaBeta | theorb, yah, that's a fair one also. More complicated though. |
| 16:25.26 | olafski | zorbabeta: ok :) |
| 16:25.27 | Grum | ZorbaBeta: btw, would it be an idea to split up questhelper into 2 parts, the actual working part and the data? maybe it would be possible to build different frontends/tools for the data |
| 16:25.49 | ZorbaBeta | As well as "minimize the amount of time, but weight the important events to happen sooner rather than later" |
| 16:26.14 | Grum | does questhelper look ahead in quest-chains to optimize a route? |
| 16:26.15 | ZorbaBeta | grum, it would, but it's a lot of work for something I'm not hugely interested in doing right now. QH's data is pretty precisely built for QH's purposes |
| 16:26.31 | ZorbaBeta | there's nothing in there it doesn't use. It would be of dubious use to other systems. |
| 16:26.37 | ZorbaBeta | grum, not yet, but it's something I'd like to do post-3.3. |
| 16:26.43 | Grum | ZorbaBeta: how do you get the data btw? is that gathered from what people have send you? |
| 16:27.03 | Grum | or datamined from popular websites? |
| 16:27.18 | ancu | anyone try the addon collectinator? |
| 16:27.37 | theorbtwo | Oh, realizing that you aren't huring for ideas -- ever considered using hearthstones as a routing option? |
| 16:28.34 | ZorbaBeta | entirely gathered from what people send me :) |
| 16:28.40 | ZorbaBeta | theorb, yeah, it's another thing I'd like to do |
| 16:28.45 | Grum | ZorbaBeta: so how did you once start off? :D |
| 16:28.49 | ZorbaBeta | I think I've figured out how to do it cleanly, finally, but it'll still be a bit. |
| 16:29.02 | ZorbaBeta | grum, honestly? I got no bloody clue. I picked it up from the previous author, who abandoned it. :) |
| 16:29.08 | ZorbaBeta | by the time I got to it, it'd already started. |
| 16:29.16 | krka | does it use portals already as routing options? |
| 16:29.20 | krka | for mage / druid / whatever |
| 16:29.36 | ZorbaBeta | at one point I think it scraped from wowhead, though I never set that up and thus it never did for me. |
| 16:29.43 | ZorbaBeta | krka, no, but that'll happen before hearthstones does |
| 16:29.55 | Grum | tbh, if the questdatabase was a bit more expanded, it could become more like a TourGuide like addon |
| 16:30.00 | theorbtwo | Hm, why? Isn't it effectively the same thing? |
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| 16:30.15 | krka | hearthstone has a more painful cooldown than portals |
| 16:30.16 | ZorbaBeta | theorb, the cooldowns are the tough part. if there's no cooldown it's easy |
| 16:30.17 | Grum | there is time involved in the heartstone thingie |
| 16:30.34 | theorbtwo | Hm, see your point. |
| 16:30.47 | Grum | check tourguide, it tells you to bind at certain locations and portal back after certain quest events |
| 16:30.52 | Grum | but it was hand-crafted |
| 16:31.05 | theorbtwo | OTOH, even considering only the option of using the hearthstone *now*, as the first step, would be useful, I think. |
| 16:31.18 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, it would |
| 16:31.25 | Grum | theorbtwo: think of the work it takes to know where your heartstone ends up :) |
| 16:31.28 | ZorbaBeta | but I don't have enough time to do stuff halfass. I'd rather make it work properly the first time. :) |
| 16:31.53 | Shirik | we lost krka! |
| 16:32.02 | Grum | krka went krak? :( |
| 16:32.18 | theorbtwo | Grum: Is pretty easy, I should think. Scrape the tooltip to get the embedded text, if there's no better way. Stuff name->location mapping in after you hearth to it if you didn't know it. |
| 16:32.35 | Grum | theorbtwo: there are *alotof*inns |
| 16:32.35 | theorbtwo | There's only what, a couple hundred innkeepers. |
| 16:32.42 | Grum | yes, horde/alliance :D |
| 16:32.43 | theorbtwo | Grum: There are also a lot of users. |
| 16:32.47 | Grum | enjoy collecting them |
| 16:33.07 | Grum | ZorbaBeta: how much data do you get from your users? |
| 16:33.20 | ZorbaBeta | grum, around 100gb total last I checked |
| 16:33.32 | Grum | still the same volume over time? |
| 16:33.34 | theorbtwo | Grum: Er, most of the innkeepers have candy buckets, and I've got most of them, personally, in the last couple weeks. |
| 16:33.37 | ZorbaBeta | 'round about 100-200 files per day at the moment |
| 16:33.40 | ZorbaBeta | nah, it's gone up and down |
| 16:33.49 | ZorbaBeta | varies widely |
| 16:33.52 | Grum | still a massive amount |
| 16:33.59 | Grum | how do you protect from tainted input? |
| 16:34.15 | theorbtwo | Not compared to, say, the number of quests in the game, and those have been gathered from user data too. |
| 16:34.22 | ancu | what is the site to send data up to you again zorba? |
| 16:34.24 | ZorbaBeta | bulk, mostly. I haven't had to deal with anything malicious yet, and the current version is smart enough to deal with apparent corruption |
| 16:34.25 | theorbtwo | Grum: Same way gathering all the other data does? |
| 16:34.27 | ZorbaBeta | ancu, qhaddon@gmail.com |
| 16:34.39 | ancu | just my lua file right? |
| 16:34.48 | ZorbaBeta | yep, thanks :) |
| 16:34.55 | Grum | well 3.3 will add the ability to list what quests you have already done |
| 16:35.26 | Grum | theorbtwo: there is not a really good way for it |
| 16:35.41 | Grum | i guess you could go by 'stuff that is too far of the bell-curve must be broken' orso |
| 16:36.07 | theorbtwo | Aye, and the coords after you hearthstone will have a really tiny standard deviation. |
| 16:36.22 | Ackis | http://www.cracked.com/article/181_the-6-creepiest-places-earth/ <-- why isn't Fisker's bedroom there? |
| 16:36.27 | theorbtwo | But again, this is all terribly close to what questhelper already does, for all sorts of things. |
| 16:36.31 | ZorbaBeta | grum, a lot of it works that way, yeah |
| 16:36.46 | theorbtwo | The hard part, like ZorbaBeta said, is dealing with the long cooldown. |
| 16:36.52 | Grum | theorbtwo: i guess that if your addon is popular enough you can add such metrics to it |
| 16:37.08 | theorbtwo | Exactly. |
| 16:37.42 | Grum | ZorbaBeta: you could actually get really nice statisics from your userbase hehe |
| 16:37.45 | Grum | +t |
| 16:39.29 | theorbtwo | Oh. One suggestion that doesn't require modifications to the routing algo: I'd love to have the menu you get from right-clicking a quest appear in the quest lister. |
| 16:39.37 | theorbtwo | ...or even just the qh quest lister. |
| 16:40.31 | ancu | hey zorba, I know I have read it a million times, but wich lua file is it? is it in the char, account, or server folder? |
| 16:41.05 | ZorbaBeta | grum, I have some really glorious stats, actually ;) |
| 16:41.25 | ZorbaBeta | ancu, account (is there even a server folder?) |
| 16:42.00 | ZorbaBeta | theorb, there's a lot of UI work I'd love to do. Again, time. |
| 16:42.38 | ArrowmasterClass | teacher is going over RAID arrays right now |
| 16:42.50 | ArrowmasterClass | i had to explain that 5+1 and 6 are completely different |
| 16:42.53 | ancu | its wow/wtf/realm(I call it server)/char |
| 16:43.12 | ancu | typo |
| 16:43.23 | ancu | its wow/wtf/account/realm(I call it server)/char |
| 16:43.24 | Grum | ArrowmasterClass: gawd, good luck ;( |
| 16:43.56 | Parks | ArrowmasterClass: what class is that? |
| 16:44.29 | ArrowmasterClass | umm |
| 16:44.37 | ArrowmasterClass | MS Windows Server OS |
| 16:44.39 | ancu | HA, I am wrong again, its D:\World of Warcraft\WTF\Account\KALMONDO\Draenor\Ancu |
| 16:44.56 | Grum | ArrowmasterClass: ask him the difference between raid 10 and 01 :P |
| 16:45.08 | ArrowmasterClass | he wont know that |
| 16:45.14 | ancu | kalmond is my account, draenor is the server, and ancu is my char |
| 16:45.16 | Grum | ancu: you just gave us your username |
| 16:45.17 | ArrowmasterClass | i dont even remember which is which most of the time |
| 16:45.49 | Parks | Grum: usernames arent used anymore |
| 16:46.12 | Grum | oh yeah ofc, battlenet emails still map to internal wow-usernames |
| 16:46.24 | ancu | grum: Thats okay, I have a nice secure pass, I am not worried |
| 16:46.35 | Grum | ancu: you mean the one you use on your gmail? ;) |
| 16:46.36 | ancu | I need to get an authenticator though |
| 16:46.45 | ArrowmasterClass | do you still have to create a wow username when creating a new account? |
| 16:46.45 | *** join/#wowuidev foxlit (n=foxlit@0x573e6bae.alb2nxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) |
| 16:46.45 | Grum | aye authenticator adds a timeframe on any hack :) |
| 16:46.55 | Grum | ArrowmasterClass: i reckon so |
| 16:46.58 | Gnarfoz | Parks: they are, for 15 more days or so :) |
| 16:47.24 | Grum | Gnarfoz: well after that change i doubt the WTF/<account>/ will change to something with '@' |
| 16:47.30 | Shirik | anyone here use thunderbird? how the hell do I make a signature? |
| 16:47.36 | ArrowmasterClass | it did on the wrath beta |
| 16:47.38 | Gnarfoz | Grum: nobody suggested that :p |
| 16:47.40 | ArrowmasterClass | but then they reverted it |
| 16:47.46 | ancu | arrowmasterClass: I havent had to create one since the begining |
| 16:47.49 | Gnarfoz | only on US wrath beta ;O |
| 16:48.00 | ArrowmasterClass | only the us wrath beta was using blizzard accounts |
| 16:48.03 | Gnarfoz | EU wrath beta didn't use bnet accounts |
| 16:48.08 | Grum | Tools -> Account Setting -> 'Attach this signature' and point it to your .signature? :) |
| 16:48.14 | ancu | Since battle.net I mean |
| 16:48.15 | ArrowmasterClass | we had the pet in beta |
| 16:48.15 | Parks | Gnarfoz: arent you gonna quit wow so THE MAN cant force you to merge and log your keys and stuff? |
| 16:48.25 | Gnarfoz | Parks: wut? |
| 16:48.31 | Parks | Gnarfoz: kidding |
| 16:48.35 | *** join/#wowuidev aliem_ (n=aliem@109.112.63.59) |
| 16:48.36 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 16:48.37 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 16:49.35 | Lopeppeppy | KEEE FLOGGER@ |
| 16:49.43 | Lopeppeppy | eleventyone and stufff |
| 16:49.48 | Lopeppeppy | is unimpressed. Can tell? |
| 16:50.24 | ancu | http://kb.mozillazine.org/Signatures_%28Thunderbird%29 signiture instructions for TB |
| 16:50.26 | Grum | hacks Lopeppeppy's account |
| 16:51.05 | Lopeppeppy | Go for it, dude. Shard my vast purples that I don't have. |
| 16:51.14 | Lopeppeppy | Dinos don't *HAVE* epics, didn't you know? |
| 16:51.37 | Parks | they have shiny green text though |
| 16:51.45 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 16:51.46 | Lopeppeppy | And stuff. |
| 16:51.54 | Shirik | Grum: .signature? |
| 16:51.58 | Grum | i was going to use your account to mine below the world like a proper hacker does! |
| 16:52.02 | Shirik | I can't even change that field |
| 16:52.02 | theorbtwo | Shiny green kodo hides. |
| 16:52.21 | Grum | Shirik: i was looking on my mac, but the link of ancu describes it quite well |
| 16:53.05 | ancu | http://kb.mozillazine.org/Signatures_%28Thunderbird%29 so you dont have to scroll |
| 16:53.34 | Fisker | btw Ackis |
| 16:53.37 | Fisker | why are people stupid? |
| 16:53.40 | ancu | amazing the powers of google :P |
| 16:53.57 | Shirik | I think that's kinda broken |
| 16:54.05 | Shirik | you don't create the signature in Thunderbird |
| 16:54.08 | Parks | Fisker: stupid flu? |
| 16:54.28 | Fisker | :E? |
| 16:55.07 | ancu | I dont use sigs, Its not somthing I would notice realy. I just gave you the link to somthing that looked good from a google search |
| 16:58.14 | Shirik | LOL |
| 16:58.17 | Shirik | er, -caps |
| 16:58.22 | Shirik | anyway, I love windows server |
| 16:58.31 | Shirik | log in -> OMGWTF WHY I DIED |
| 16:58.35 | ancu | atlas actualy looks good |
| 16:59.18 | ancu | and its 14MB big. Damn I hate dialup |
| 16:59.19 | Adys | this is getting scary |
| 16:59.38 | ArrowmasterClass | just use mapster |
| 16:59.47 | Adys | I've been keeping my google chrome history since i installed it |
| 17:00.03 | ancu | lol |
| 17:00.03 | Adys | i usually clean web histories every day or something |
| 17:00.16 | ancu | that must be a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong history |
| 17:00.19 | ArrowmasterClass | is it showing all the times you forgot to enable private browsing mode before viewing porn? |
| 17:00.27 | Adys | forgot? |
| 17:00.40 | ancu | lol |
| 17:00.41 | Adys | i dont forget, I dont even use it |
| 17:00.55 | ArrowmasterClass | i just use muliple firefox profiles |
| 17:01.09 | Adys | so you got a profile called "Porn dude" |
| 17:01.16 | ancu | beware your mate will find you out 0_0 |
| 17:01.16 | Adys | thats so much better |
| 17:01.17 | ArrowmasterClass | no "Private" |
| 17:02.50 | Adys | my total history is 680mb |
| 17:03.16 | Adys | over 11 files |
| 17:03.19 | ancu | Did I ever mention I hate dialup? I can get high speed, but the initial drop is 200 pluss prorated montly bill |
| 17:04.18 | Adys | you know whats also awesome |
| 17:04.21 | theorbtwo | ancu: How about sat? |
| 17:04.28 | Adys | how every preference and shit chrome keeps is in json |
| 17:05.12 | ancu | Ummmmm, no. too expensive montly. The init drop is 200, but the monthly is only 40. Your looking at atleast 70 for sat |
| 17:05.23 | ArrowmasterClass | personally i dislike my browser being mostly written in javascript, which i also consider a negative of firefox |
| 17:06.07 | Lopeppeppy | I asks again: Anyone else having trouble with Facebook apps not connecting? Trying to see if this is a cookies problem for me (yet again) |
| 17:06.08 | ancu | not to mention that sat only transmits one direction, pluss the drop rate of packages. I am told its worse then dialup for wow |
| 17:06.47 | ancu | dont use face book on my pc. I have a perfectly good phone app for that |
| 17:07.07 | ArrowmasterClass | ancu: perty sure most sat now are duplex and transmit in both directions, but yes the latency is bad |
| 17:09.15 | ancu | so they fixed the one way transmit eh? But there still is the issue of droped packages and price. I would save more over time to go with the two way radio internet |
| 17:09.45 | ancu | they claim after testing that we will be 20*faster then dialup |
| 17:11.00 | A-KO | satellite sucks :P |
| 17:11.01 | A-KO | just an fyi |
| 17:11.01 | ancu_getting_foo | the nick field is too short -_- |
| 17:11.16 | ancu_getting_foo | we already decided that |
| 17:11.32 | nevcairiel | sat is good enough for browsing, but anything latency sensitive, forget it |
| 17:11.37 | A-KO | it's not even good for low bandwidth, latency-sensitive applications :P |
| 17:11.39 | A-KO | like, dialup-bandwidth |
| 17:11.57 | A-KO | we had an audio component for some software at work that was specced for like 28.8Kbps modem usage |
| 17:12.02 | A-KO | and satellite would destroy it |
| 17:12.17 | A-KO | short of adding a PTT feature which they didn't want to do..... |
| 17:12.21 | Lopeppeppy | blows kisses. |
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| 17:16.28 | NightHawkTheSane | this is hilarious: http://pastie.org/671887 |
| 17:17.01 | ancu | If walmart employees get a bouns this week, then we can get the highspeed, drop pots and fairpoint all together, then get skype, I hate fairpoint |
| 17:17.32 | Adys | i need some advice |
| 17:17.32 | ancu | /s/week/quarter/ |
| 17:17.51 | ancu | what kind of advice adys? |
| 17:18.33 | Adys | I got a double partition (850+150) on my 1tb main hard drive, and a 500gb external drive with a single partition |
| 17:18.39 | ancu | Please note I am not a profesional and cant charge, but if you sign this liability waiver, I will try to advise you bet I can |
| 17:18.51 | Adys | I need to reformat so that I have more than 150gb on my main partition |
| 17:19.14 | Adys | however my 850gb partition contains 600gb of data which is more than what I could backup on my 500gb external drive |
| 17:19.15 | ancu | hi rens boot disk |
| 17:19.22 | NightHawkTheSane | why do you need to reformat to repartition? |
| 17:19.25 | A-KO | who the hell is that person NightHawkTheSane? |
| 17:19.33 | ancu | partition magic |
| 17:19.36 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: because I want to get rid of my current system |
| 17:19.40 | A-KO | Acronis Disk Director |
| 17:19.47 | Adys | its terribly unstable |
| 17:19.55 | NightHawkTheSane | A-KO: which person? the guy writing the email? some random douche. |
| 17:20.02 | A-KO | NightHawkTheSane: the guy writing the e-mail |
| 17:20.05 | A-KO | he's retarded :P |
| 17:20.18 | ArrowmasterClass | Adys: gparted |
| 17:20.20 | NightHawkTheSane | no doubt. :P |
| 17:20.34 | A-KO | I've tacitly accepted that "bandwagoning" is a way for people to bond together, so I no longer share his viewpoint on it :P |
| 17:20.37 | Adys | Arrowmaster: yeah I know that much |
| 17:20.39 | cog|work | http://www.partition-tool.com/ |
| 17:20.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: use one of the many tools people have listed to repartition without erasing your entire drive, then just format the system partition? |
| 17:20.51 | Adys | except |
| 17:20.51 | ancu | so what is the actual question? is it better to back up on to the external? is that the question? |
| 17:20.57 | Parks | "hey guys remember wen blizz said they would have dance studios? IMAGINE IF THE DIDNT RELEASE CATACLYSM WITH GOBLINS AND WORGEN!! ITS JUST AS BAD! THEY LIE!!! AND WE TAKE IT!!!" |
| 17:21.01 | A-KO | Adys: I'd recommend backing up any important data |
| 17:21.03 | A-KO | you've been warned |
| 17:21.08 | Adys | repartitioning a 850gb drive with 600gb of data |
| 17:21.14 | Adys | takes days |
| 17:21.17 | A-KO | no |
| 17:21.19 | A-KO | it doesn't |
| 17:21.23 | A-KO | get Disk Director |
| 17:21.24 | A-KO | takes minutes |
| 17:21.29 | A-KO | but like I said |
| 17:21.31 | Parks | this is a real thread on the forums |
| 17:21.49 | A-KO | Parks: from my understanding the dance studio stuff is in the files and is likely going to come with Cataclysm :P |
| 17:21.52 | Adys | A-KO: Im talking about ext3 |
| 17:22.20 | Adys | also theres that |
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| 17:22.27 | Adys | I want to switch to ext4 |
| 17:22.30 | ancu | A-KO: I hope so |
| 17:22.32 | Adys | which is the main reason why I need to reformat |
| 17:22.55 | ArrowmasterClass | Adys: you can switch to ext4 without reformating but the current data wont get some of the benifits |
| 17:23.07 | Adys | precisely |
| 17:23.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: well if you insist on reformatting the entire drive you're still stuck with too much data for your existing drives. buy another drive. :p |
| 17:23.44 | ArrowmasterClass | you could free some space and create a new ext4 partition then copy some data over, resize the partitions, copy some more data over, resize partitions, and repeat |
| 17:24.01 | Adys | i thought of that |
| 17:24.05 | Adys | but wouldnt that take a month? |
| 17:24.23 | NightHawkTheSane | probably not a month, but a little while |
| 17:24.34 | ArrowmasterClass | dont think so, but you would probably want to set some of the stuff like number of inodes manually when you format |
| 17:24.52 | ArrowmasterClass | and use the amount for the intended size and not the inital size |
| 17:24.53 | Adys | mmh |
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| 17:28.49 | ancu_more_food | Dialup sucks |
| 17:28.54 | ancu_more_food | I hate it |
| 17:29.01 | ancu_more_food | lol |
| 17:29.05 | Duman | people still have dialup? |
| 17:29.17 | Duman | heck, using a wireless card is faster than dialup |
| 17:29.31 | Duman | (EVDO/3g/etc) |
| 17:29.39 | Gnarfoz | UMTS is faster than my DSL, actually |
| 17:29.41 | ancu_more_food | Its that, statlite, or the two way radio thing that I am trying to get that has an init drop of 200 |
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| 17:30.04 | Gnarfoz | by a factor of 2 for download, and factor 10 for upload ;o |
| 17:30.09 | Duman | heh |
| 17:30.18 | ancu_more_food | untill I get 200$ dialup is the better of my 2 options |
| 17:30.42 | ancu_more_food | 3 if you count no internet at all |
| 17:31.03 | ancu_more_food | Oh yeah, I have dialup, and me and gram both play at the same time on the same connection |
| 17:31.21 | ancu_more_food | play wow that is |
| 17:31.49 | ancu_more_food | can any of you claim to be that devoted to wow? |
| 17:32.22 | NightHawkTheSane | does it matter? |
| 17:32.33 | NightHawkTheSane | great, you suffer through dialup, want a cookie? |
| 17:32.47 | ancu_more_food | chocolate chip please |
| 17:32.53 | ancu_more_food | lol |
| 17:33.02 | ancu_more_food | I hate dialup |
| 17:33.05 | ancu_more_food | lol |
| 17:33.21 | NightHawkTheSane | we heard. its not that interesting. |
| 17:33.49 | ancu_more_food | I am STILL downloading Atlas, and its supose to take one hour+ |
| 17:33.53 | ArrowmasterClass | why the fuck is my vmware have the wrong time |
| 17:34.02 | ZorbaBeta | where on earth do you live that you can't get anything better? |
| 17:34.14 | ancu_more_food | the woods |
| 17:34.39 | ancu_more_food | they havent upgraded our lines to handle dsl or cable internet yet |
| 17:34.54 | ancu_more_food | they need to put in new fiber |
| 17:35.11 | Fisker | enough is enough Ackis |
| 17:35.12 | Thrae | ancu_more_food: Feed them corn flakes |
| 17:35.22 | Ackis | Fisker: ? |
| 17:35.24 | ancu_more_food | The woods in maine if you want more spacific |
| 17:35.35 | Thrae | Ah, tree bark is good fiber |
| 17:36.03 | Gnarfoz | fiber has nothing to do with dsl, copper lines don't get upgraded, yours simply is too long; don't have anything to say about cable. :p |
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| 17:36.10 | ancu | lol, yeah, but coacoa puffs are tastyer |
| 17:36.11 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 17:36.15 | Shirik | tackles Seerah |
| 17:36.26 | Seerah | tickles Shirik |
| 17:36.50 | ancu | facepalms |
| 17:37.03 | Fisker | ses vi på grillen Shirik ? |
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| 17:37.25 | Gnarfoz | Grillen? Yum. |
| 17:37.50 | Fisker | you're not allowed to know what it means Gnarfoz |
| 17:37.54 | alestane | That's something Scandinavian... |
| 17:38.04 | Gnarfoz | I know what it means in German, that's enough |
| 17:38.05 | Vilkku | ~seen Shadowed |
| 17:38.09 | purl | shadowed is currently on #wowuidev (2h 13m 10s) #wowace (2h 13m 10s), last said: 'but I am about to run to class, so /query whatever you have to say and I'll get back to you in a few hours'. |
| 17:38.23 | Fisker | what does it mean in german? |
| 17:38.43 | Gnarfoz | 'to have a barbecue', basically ;D |
| 17:39.02 | Vilkku | Fisker, i Finland knivhugger vid varandra vid korvkioskerna. |
| 17:39.06 | ancu | Jonathan Coulton rocks |
| 17:39.39 | ancu | ~joco |
| 17:39.45 | ancu | ~seen joco |
| 17:39.46 | purl | ancu: i haven't seen 'joco' |
| 17:40.03 | ancu | darn, guess he doesnt use free node XD |
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| 17:40.16 | NightHawkTheSane | shocking. |
| 17:40.46 | ancu | worth a shot |
| 17:41.04 | ancu | Does anyone else listen to JoCo? |
| 17:41.38 | Gnarfoz | (is dialup really that limited that you have to abbreviate people's real names, or does he actually go by that handle oO) |
| 17:42.09 | ancu | I dont know if he actualy uses that handle, but I have seen him refered to as such many times |
| 17:42.14 | Gnarfoz | I guess he does |
| 17:42.28 | Gnarfoz | "I'm feeling lucky" + "joco" = his site |
| 17:42.38 | ancu | sweet, lol |
| 17:42.42 | NightHawkTheSane | given that one of his recent albums is called 'JoCo looks back' im going to assume that he at least approves of it |
| 17:42.44 | Gnarfoz | (or simply entering joco into your URL bar, which is just what that does) |
| 17:43.12 | ancu | I am aware Gnarfoz |
| 17:43.29 | Fisker | ~kiss Fisker |
| 17:43.30 | purl | ACTION forces Fisker to give tem a big kiss on the forehead |
| 17:43.44 | Adys | ancu: he does |
| 17:43.49 | Adys | and ya |
| 17:44.32 | ancu | I have to actualy go through and purchase his CDs, he offers most of it free on his site, but somone has to help him get the bacon....okay, that made more sense in my head |
| 17:44.47 | ancu | Podsafe Christmas Song YAY |
| 17:44.57 | NightHawkTheSane | im sure a lot of things make sense in your head. |
| 17:45.05 | Adys | hes been lazy lately |
| 17:45.15 | Adys | not a song in.. a year or something |
| 17:45.30 | ancu | realy? I havent been keeping up |
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| 17:45.52 | Gnarfoz | one of my addons has the first line of Code Monkey's refrain as it's main file name |
| 17:46.20 | ancu | Code Monkey get up get coffe? |
| 17:46.34 | zenzelezz | I can't stand "Code monkey", thanks to an obnoxious former coworker |
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| 17:46.49 | Lunessa | Station |
| 17:46.58 | alestane | ary. |
| 17:46.59 | zenzelezz | y helo thar |
| 17:47.00 | ancu | played it over and over again didnt he? |
| 17:47.10 | ancu | thats the problem with Yoda |
| 17:47.14 | Lunessa | I c wut u did thar |
| 17:47.16 | ancu | by wierd al |
| 17:47.27 | zenzelezz | ancu: more like he used it as his ring tone, and he couldn't stop telling people about it over and over |
| 17:47.49 | ancu | ahhh, that will do it |
| 17:48.10 | ancu | listening to till the money comes |
| 17:48.11 | Gnarfoz | acutally: Code Monkey like Fritos, Code Monkey like Tab and Mountain Dew, Code Monkey very simple man, With big warm fuzzy secret heart, Code Monkey like you.lua |
| 17:48.35 | NightHawkTheSane | thats an absurdely long file name |
| 17:48.54 | alestane | Lunessa: How go all the obnoxious details that our modern bureaucracy requires to pull you away from your immediate grief? |
| 17:48.55 | NeoTron | Gear Score = True Raid Value for shure |
| 17:48.55 | Gnarfoz | that's what she said |
| 17:48.57 | ancu | took the letters off my keyboard nighthawkthesane |
| 17:49.01 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: not much worse than Objective-C subclasses |
| 17:49.10 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: touche. ;) |
| 17:49.20 | zenzelezz | SuperCustomerExtendedAndAwesomeViewController.m |
| 17:49.21 | Gnarfoz | also, it could be 100 characters longer |
| 17:49.58 | ancu | rid-dick-you-lose-ous |
| 17:50.07 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: i want to punch people who give a shit about gear score in the face. |
| 17:50.10 | ancu | why would you want it that long? |
| 17:50.52 | Lunessa | alestane: Actually fairly smoothly. Coroner will be releasing him today for the crematorium. Should have the ashes by Friday. No probate since everything already belongs to my mom, so no courts. Just have to get her settled since she won't be able to do all the things dad used to do. |
| 17:51.01 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: Ran ony on my warlock. 20th gearscore in the raid. ended up at 6th DPS or 2nd damage dealt to ony |
| 17:51.04 | NeoTron | being alive > gs |
| 17:51.14 | ancu | unless it was like Alphagroup_part1_Sector3_3rdFile |
| 17:51.50 | ancu | but that could be shortened to grpa_pt1_sect3_f3 |
| 17:51.53 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: or more generlaly, skill > gear :P |
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| 17:52.12 | NeoTron | Lunessa: meaning no disrespect, I read "have the ashes by Friday" and I wondered for a second how you could be sure that Kael'thas would drop the Ashes of Alar on Friday |
| 17:52.24 | ancu | alright, see all, have to get ready for work now |
| 17:52.29 | NeoTron | true indeed |
| 17:52.30 | Lunessa | The problem with pugs is that there's no metric for skill, and even less for social accumen. |
| 17:52.47 | NeoTron | it's not an easy thing to solve |
| 17:52.49 | alestane | Lunessa: Just as well. Bad enough having to put on hold the process of reconciling yourself to the loss of a major life element without also having to make a cock-up of the process. |
| 17:53.10 | Lunessa | NeoTron: No offense taken. Pop would have liked to be compared to a Phoenix. |
| 17:53.46 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.49 | alestane | And that, that right there is our immortality. |
| 17:53.52 | Lunessa | alestane: My dad was like an elemental force. He's going to be missed. But I'm doing rather well most of the time. |
| 17:54.11 | alestane | Unstoppable, was he? |
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| 17:54.45 | Lunessa | Irrepressible, unconquerable, and full of terrifying power and wonder. |
| 17:55.00 | alestane | That's a damn good eulogy, man. |
| 17:55.29 | Lunessa | It's what I'm going to say about him at our "Celebration of Life" ceremony on Sunday. |
| 17:58.33 | Lunessa | The worst part of the process is getting mom all settled in and sorted out. She lives on a small patch of land out by a lake in the middle of nowhere - and all kinds of shit has to be done to make the place livable. I'm going to be driving a goddamned backhoe later to rebuild her road. |
| 18:00.08 | Lunessa | Me... in a backhoe... doing construction iit is not to be believed. |
| 18:03.04 | alestane | I think that if I needed a backhoe for something I would hire someone else to operate it. |
| 18:03.06 | Dagmar | That depends on whether or not you've called about any buried fiber or copper in the area. |
| 18:03.21 | Dagmar | If you've done that, then we _know_ you're not a true backhoe operator. |
| 18:03.48 | Lunessa | Haha.. everything out here is above ground expect water piping. |
| 18:03.56 | Lunessa | except |
| 18:05.52 | NeoTron | water pipes should be above ground so you can fix them easier when thry freeze in the winter |
| 18:06.19 | NeoTron | Brittish house building logic! |
| 18:06.36 | Lunessa | I'd rather septic lines were under-ground, thank you very much. |
| 18:10.55 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjRJeaNtxN4 << walt mosspuppet narration at the end? |
| 18:11.10 | Adys | Im full of pro |
| 18:11.29 | Adys | I just went through entire eastern plaguelands on a level 5 with only one death |
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| 18:15.39 | Parks | Adys: you want a trophy or something? |
| 18:15.56 | Lunessa | Ok, "Good WoW players know that every millisecond counts." BWAHAHA |
| 18:16.03 | NeoTron | MILLISECOND |
| 18:16.05 | NeoTron | for sure |
| 18:16.49 | Parks | quickbooks just crashed |
| 18:17.36 | NeoTron | but did it crash quickly? |
| 18:18.10 | Parks | yes |
| 18:18.33 | Adys | Parks: please |
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| 18:20.42 | Shirik | lool |
| 18:20.53 | Shirik | From a vulnerability report: "This issue is not a vulnerability. During program designing, Rising Virus Lab has known Rising program files could be modified by this way. However, few malware attacks Antivirus through the method. And, we have not detected any malware do this until now." |
| 18:21.08 | Shirik | "We know it could happen, but nobody does it, so it's not a vulnerability" |
| 18:21.56 | Parks | mutitasking sucks on this x86 family 6 model 8 stepping windows 2000 system |
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| 18:22.46 | NeoTron | Shirik: right that's logical |
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| 18:26.58 | cog|work | ding 500 rep on SO |
| 18:27.00 | cog|work | <.< |
| 18:27.01 | cog|work | >.> |
| 18:27.19 | NightHawkTheSane | huh? |
| 18:27.35 | alestane | I think he's farming wife faction again. |
| 18:27.38 | cog|work | stackoverflow |
| 18:27.50 | NightHawkTheSane | ahh |
| 18:29.01 | Lunessa | Grinding wife faction sounds naughty. |
| 18:30.18 | alestane | If only Peppy were here to hear you say that... |
| 18:31.51 | Shirik | cog|work |
| 18:32.05 | Shirik | find my segfault |
| 18:32.06 | cog|work | actually, anything i do to keep myself interested in wow again is +wife rep |
| 18:32.21 | Shirik | I really think it doesn't exist! |
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| 18:34.48 | Ackis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpPydJPuAEs&feature=player_embedded |
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| 18:34.58 | Shirik | tackles Cairenn |
| 18:35.02 | Ackis | that video == wife rep |
| 18:35.05 | Cairenn | oofs and falls over |
| 18:36.07 | Cairenn | Ackis: lol |
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| 18:36.34 | Shirik | wtf is this |
| 18:36.36 | Shirik | youtube has ads now? |
| 18:36.43 | mikma | youads |
| 18:36.56 | Grum | ABP ftw |
| 18:37.19 | foxlit | Have to recoup costs somehow. |
| 18:37.33 | Parks | Shirik: for a while |
| 18:37.34 | Lunessa | huggles Cairenn |
| 18:37.40 | Cairenn | huggles Lunessa |
| 18:37.43 | Grum | if you are owned by google, why not have adsense crap on it :) |
| 18:37.43 | foxlit | People just don't pay as much to have up-to-the-minute updates about what you're watching :( |
| 18:38.01 | Adys | Uh Shirik |
| 18:38.04 | Adys | youtube has had ads since a year |
| 18:38.12 | foxlit | hasn't seen one to date. |
| 18:38.33 | Shirik | first one I've seen |
| 18:38.41 | Shirik | I'm talking about actually on the video |
| 18:38.44 | Shirik | not on the side or anything |
| 18:38.49 | Shirik | like |
| 18:38.51 | Adys | because only uploaders who agree to show ads on their vids can show ads |
| 18:39.00 | Adys | yes I know |
| 18:39.03 | Adys | an overlay in flash |
| 18:39.03 | Shirik | The first 15 seconds was an ad |
| 18:39.05 | Shirik | no |
| 18:39.08 | Adys | ah |
| 18:39.14 | Grum | can you skip it? |
| 18:39.15 | Adys | yeah ive seen one a while ago |
| 18:39.19 | Shirik | no you can't skip it |
| 18:39.21 | harl | ew.. that sucks even more |
| 18:39.30 | Grum | its liek real ads then! iew |
| 18:39.59 | Adys | those too have been there for a long time |
| 18:40.02 | Adys | but they're barely used |
| 18:42.35 | Shirik | Cide-: Verify my logic for a second |
| 18:42.44 | Shirik | Assume the following lua code: |
| 18:42.54 | Shirik | local a = ...[x] |
| 18:42.56 | Shirik | a = ...[x] |
| 18:42.57 | Adys | lua> verify("Shirik") |
| 18:42.58 | lua_bot | Adys: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'verify' (a nil value) |
| 18:43.19 | Thunder_Child | you know, vent really should have some sort of filter that nulls any sound imput that matches any sound output through vent |
| 18:43.21 | Shirik | The second line should be able to be repeated indefinitely without any additional slots in the VM, right? |
| 18:43.47 | Shirik | it's a balanced operation no? |
| 18:43.49 | Adys | Thunder_Child: "its not that easy" |
| 18:44.07 | Grum | if nothing is changing then yeah, it should :) |
| 18:44.30 | Grum | if not it should be classified as a memory leak tbh |
| 18:44.31 | Adys | you'd need to get a sound signature of sorts to make sure the input is similar enough to the output |
| 18:44.54 | Adys | and you'd need to calculate it all the time |
| 18:45.02 | harl | that would need sound recognition and actually recognizing all the extra modifications the sound is taking on by various factors.. |
| 18:45.06 | Shirik | Adys: It's easy |
| 18:45.07 | Shirik | actually |
| 18:45.11 | Shirik | very easy |
| 18:45.19 | Cide- | Shirik: sec |
| 18:45.21 | Adys | its easy to have a very basic one |
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| 18:45.24 | Adys | i think teamspeak does |
| 18:45.24 | Shirik | but you would want to do it from the local side |
| 18:45.32 | harl | no, it doesn't |
| 18:45.33 | Thunder_Child | you just overlay the outgoing sound as a - modifer over the incoming sounds |
| 18:45.33 | Shirik | it should be done by the person playing the game, not from the remote side |
| 18:45.45 | Adys | Shirik: absolutely |
| 18:45.51 | Adys | but sound still distorts when going through the mic |
| 18:46.06 | Shirik | Still, it's trivial |
| 18:46.16 | Adys | not saying its not trivial |
| 18:46.17 | foxlit | Clearly the solution is to use an acoustic equivalent of gaussian blur. |
| 18:46.20 | Adys | but its resource hungry |
| 18:46.21 | harl | even basic and actually functioning sound recognition needs decent calculations and thus a decent amount of cpu time |
| 18:46.24 | Shirik | Well, trivial for someone with DSP knowledge |
| 18:46.27 | Shirik | it's not even resource hungry |
| 18:46.31 | Shirik | I could do it on a simple DSP |
| 18:46.35 | Shirik | CPUs are much more powerful than that |
| 18:46.58 | Shirik | Sure it would consume resources, but we're far beyond the point where it's difficult to do |
| 18:47.00 | Adys | did it occur to you that when you're using ts/vent, your cpu is most likely busy with a game? :P |
| 18:47.17 | Adys | the better quality it would have to be, the more resources it would require |
| 18:47.18 | Shirik | so :) |
| 18:47.20 | Thunder_Child | i has an i7, dont care |
| 18:47.23 | Adys | wow fucking broken grammar |
| 18:47.25 | Thunder_Child | just want it! |
| 18:47.29 | Shirik | It's really a simple operation |
| 18:47.33 | Arrowmaster | i have no chair now |
| 18:47.43 | Arrowmaster | need to open this new box and assemble it |
| 18:47.48 | Thunder_Child | good Shirik, make it work for me |
| 18:47.50 | Shirik | It won't be perfect, don't get me wrong |
| 18:48.00 | Shirik | but you could probably get a good -30dB |
| 18:48.18 | Shirik | it wouldn't be noticable |
| 18:48.23 | harl | of course it's doable up to a certain point, it's just that most people wouldn't use something like that for their standard use of vent/ts, so nobody even cares to program the whole thing |
| 18:48.58 | Shirik | The only major problem is, I think on Windows, it would require writing driver code |
| 18:49.08 | Shirik | and I have no experience with windows DDK |
| 18:49.13 | Shirik | (I should, but I don't) |
| 18:49.31 | harl | heh |
| 18:49.35 | Dagmar | It's a lot easier to just slap users and tell them to turn their goddamn speakers off when they use the mic |
| 18:49.45 | Dagmar | Headsets win |
| 18:49.47 | harl | correct |
| 18:50.30 | Dagmar | ...and filtering that out isn't a "simple" job, even for a DSP. |
| 18:51.17 | Dagmar | You could perform a calibration procedure to figure out what the acoustics in the room are, and then it would get to the point it wouldn't be maddening with a DSP |
| 18:51.57 | Dagmar | ...cuz the mic is never picking up "just" the sound coming from the clueless person's speakers. |
| 18:52.22 | Dagmar | You're getting the sound that bounces off the walls as well, all four walls, two speakers, and it's changing phase each time due to reflection |
| 18:54.19 | Shirik | Dagmar: It is easy |
| 18:54.28 | Shirik | I've done it already |
| 18:54.46 | Dagmar | Then I suggest you go find a lawyer and see about writing up something to sell that to a lot of companies |
| 18:55.11 | Shirik | I don't understand what your problem is really, it's a solved problem. It's a fundamental thing taught DSP classes. |
| 18:55.13 | Dagmar | If it were easy setting up a recording studio wouldn't be nearly as much of a pain in the ass. |
| 18:55.18 | Shirik | no |
| 18:55.22 | Shirik | recording studios want to do it perfectly |
| 18:55.27 | Shirik | we don't want it perfect, we want it "good enough" |
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| 18:55.51 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 18:56.51 | Dagmar | Filtering out the frequencies that appear in the output is just going to render the mic useless if things get loud |
| 18:57.06 | Shirik | that's not what I'm proposing at all |
| 18:57.11 | Shirik | it's simple convolution |
| 18:57.20 | Dagmar | Well, then go talk to Vent. I'm sure they'd love to hear about your technology. |
| 18:57.29 | Shirik | Why would I talk to Flagship, they're morons |
| 18:57.35 | Shirik | I would rather write my own software |
| 18:57.41 | Dagmar | They're morons with money. |
| 18:57.46 | Shirik | sure |
| 18:57.54 | Shirik | that doesn't mean I have to like them |
| 19:00.00 | Ackis | http://www.freekibblekat.com/ |
| 19:00.45 | Shirik | you are strange Ackis |
| 19:01.05 | Ackis | that is a well known and established fact my friend |
| 19:01.28 | cog|work | lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ibgn4L6xAw |
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| 19:06.40 | Shirik | rofl cog|work |
| 19:07.20 | Thunder_Child | heh, nsfw http://www.tshirthell.com/miscpages/a1323_enlarged.html |
| 19:07.58 | Lunessa | cog|work: /BOGGLE |
| 19:16.03 | cog|work | Shirik: ask on SO imo... Lots more people there willing to play human debugger ;) |
| 19:16.15 | Shirik | you just want credits |
| 19:16.20 | cog|work | >< |
| 19:16.40 | cog|work | no i just don't want to do it :P |
| 19:16.59 | cog|work | esp after you said other people had the same problem |
| 19:17.14 | cog|work | My wild-goose-chase-avoidance systems are active :P |
| 19:18.28 | Parks | yanks vs phillies, disscuss |
| 19:18.44 | cog|work | masturbation vs sandwiches, discuss |
| 19:18.45 | NightHawkTheSane | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:18.56 | zenzelezz | you have two hands |
| 19:19.25 | foxlit | But you need both for a good sandwich. |
| 19:19.25 | Parks | ^ |
| 19:19.33 | zenzelezz | then you're doing it wrong |
| 19:19.59 | cog|work | wonders if anyone caught the parallels between the two "vs"s... |
| 19:20.00 | NightHawkTheSane | no, if you dont need two hands for your sandwich, your sandwich is WEAK |
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| 19:20.02 | NightHawkTheSane | and PUNY |
| 19:20.20 | NightHawkTheSane | and i'm not going to comment on the paralells. *cough* |
| 19:20.33 | Parks | i dont get it |
| 19:20.38 | NightHawkTheSane | deftly shifts an l. |
| 19:20.42 | Lunessa | LAWL |
| 19:21.03 | cog|work | chuckles |
| 19:21.41 | Parks | hmm, i think its coming |
| 19:22.02 | NightHawkTheSane | .... thats what she said? |
| 19:22.26 | Parks | i'm sure she did |
| 19:23.08 | cog|work | could use a good cheesesteak right about now |
| 19:23.14 | Thunder_Child | mmmmmmm |
| 19:24.12 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: that, or some really good wings & bleu cheese. |
| 19:24.22 | cog|work | *nod* |
| 19:24.32 | NightHawkTheSane | with a nice pizza, covered in cheese, onions, fresh green peppers.. some salami.. |
| 19:24.40 | NightHawkTheSane | ... fuck you, now i'm starving. |
| 19:24.46 | Lunessa | I'd like a good pizza, some beer and fried pickles. |
| 19:24.55 | cog|work | NightHawkTheSane: Round Table's Gourmet Veggie with grilled chicken and bacon |
| 19:25.33 | NightHawkTheSane | ooh, that sounds delicious. except veggie pizzas usually come with mushrooms. >< |
| 19:25.50 | harl | likes a good mushroom |
| 19:26.00 | Parks | can i just get a plain pizza thnx |
| 19:26.00 | cog|work | lol |
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| 19:26.18 | harl | lol lol? |
| 19:27.08 | cog|work | "good mushroom" wink wink nudge nudge |
| 19:28.17 | NightHawkTheSane | hah |
| 19:28.40 | Parks | knowwhatimeanknnowwhatimean? |
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| 19:29.27 | NeoTron | mmm. Fried blood pudding with lingonberry jam |
| 19:29.30 | NeoTron | can't find that in the US |
| 19:30.17 | Parks | NeoTron: i'm glad |
| 19:30.45 | Dagmar | "We know better" being the common answer. |
| 19:31.31 | Lunessa | But you can get lingoberry at pancake places |
| 19:32.03 | NeoTron | of course no one in their right mind eats lingonberries on pancakes |
| 19:32.04 | NeoTron | yuck |
| 19:34.20 | alestane | Ah, black pudding. |
| 19:34.35 | alestane | Another one of those "you now whoever invented this was hungry" dishes. |
| 19:34.41 | alestane | know* |
| 19:34.52 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 19:35.07 | Dagmar | "We ran out of edible things" |
| 19:35.14 | NightHawkTheSane | "We're british." |
| 19:35.17 | NightHawkTheSane | er, wait.. ;) |
| 19:35.20 | Dagmar | Same difference |
| 19:35.23 | NightHawkTheSane | hah |
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| 19:38.57 | cog|work | Lunessa: you weren't here when i linked this: http://www.theonion.com/content/video/how_to_find_a_masculine_halloween?utm_source=videoembed |
| 19:39.06 | Ackis | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNbb_STI5Gc&feature=fvw |
| 19:39.54 | cog|work | sicks Fisker on Ackis |
| 19:40.41 | Lunessa | cog|work: it doesn't want to play |
| 19:40.53 | cog|work | :'( |
| 19:40.53 | Ackis | cog|work: what's wrong? |
| 19:41.03 | cog|work | Ackis: the leprechauns got me :( |
| 19:41.25 | Parks | return their gold, man |
| 19:42.22 | Ackis | cog|work: I'm sorry o hear that |
| 19:43.41 | cog|work | Duman: wtf is the difference between live feed and news feed? |
| 19:43.53 | Shirik | lmao cog|work |
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| 19:45.18 | NeoTron | alestane: it's very good actually |
| 19:45.34 | NeoTron | most people don't "like" it because it has blood in it |
| 19:46.29 | NeoTron | not like it's just pure blood or anything |
| 19:47.19 | Parks | a non-savvy friend asked me whats the difference between IE and FF. i just said its like 2 similar cars from 2 different companies |
| 19:47.30 | Ackis | http://borderlands.wikia.com/wiki/Weapons#Rarity |
| 19:47.41 | Ackis | Borderlands uses a classification system for gear that is similar to Blizzard Entertainment's color-coding system. |
| 19:47.44 | NeoTron | mind you I will comment only about the Swedish variety :P |
| 19:47.48 | Ackis | wasn't that system in place long before blizzard? |
| 19:48.23 | AnduinLothar | borderlands PC is a travesty |
| 19:48.37 | cog|work | fuku Ackis ... damn leprechaun's stuck in my head |
| 19:48.46 | AnduinLothar | the game is fun, but it's like they ported it from console to PC and never bothered to play it on PC before releasing |
| 19:49.25 | foxlit | "Pearlescent" << wtf? |
| 19:49.43 | AnduinLothar | keybindings suck, they dont have options for all the UE3 configs, no AA/vsync/etc |
| 19:49.57 | AnduinLothar | the online game joining is a serious mess |
| 19:50.07 | Dagmar | AnduinLothar: yes but that' the magic of the DX10 development framework |
| 19:50.09 | AnduinLothar | it doesn't use steam's users it uses gamespy's |
| 19:50.12 | Ackis | I'm playing it on xbox360 |
| 19:50.22 | Dagmar | It's so console game devs can write a program once and have it suck ass on the PC at the same time |
| 19:50.51 | Dagmar | This means they have to expend only a minimal amount of effort to release steaming turds for more than one platform ata a time |
| 19:51.01 | Parks | foxlit: you know, translucent, florescent, pearlescent, adolescent |
| 19:51.12 | AnduinLothar | the private server doesn't work, but you can start a single player game and invite people to it... wtf |
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| 19:51.47 | Dagmar | "Daddy, what did you say when they came for the dedicated servers?" |
| 19:52.27 | AnduinLothar | i've pretty sure they had like 5 QA and they were all testing ont eh console |
| 19:52.44 | Dagmar | I think they didn't want console users to feel gypped |
| 19:52.49 | zenzelezz | hm, Amazon RDS... |
| 19:53.04 | sylvanaar | im waiting for dragon age next week |
| 19:53.08 | Dagmar | After all, PC users are just dirty pirates anyway so who cares what they think |
| 19:53.27 | sylvanaar | i was going to get it on PS3, but i changed and got it for PC |
| 19:53.30 | Dagmar | Better to force people to buy games on your carefully controlled, entirely proprietary hardware |
| 19:53.35 | AnduinLothar | also the 4 player MP limitation seems kinda weak |
| 19:53.40 | AnduinLothar | and arbitrary |
| 19:53.49 | NeoTron | so Borderlands isn't that awesome? |
| 19:53.49 | Dagmar | That way they have to buy YOUR new hardware every five years |
| 19:53.55 | sylvanaar | #of controlers on the console |
| 19:53.59 | sylvanaar | =4 |
| 19:54.21 | AnduinLothar | 360 and PS3 can both play with more than 4... |
| 19:54.38 | sylvanaar | with what? special hardware |
| 19:54.50 | AnduinLothar | no, you can connect more controllers |
| 19:54.54 | AnduinLothar | it's wifi |
| 19:55.05 | sylvanaar | bluetooth, but w/e, i didnt know that |
| 19:55.18 | AnduinLothar | not many games use it |
| 19:55.26 | Dagmar | Just good luck seeing wtf is going on in less than 1/4 screen |
| 19:55.33 | AnduinLothar | besides, the MP is via interwebs, why is it restricted to 4... |
| 19:55.35 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ that swhy |
| 19:56.47 | AnduinLothar | anyway, the game itself is fun, once you manage to get in game |
| 19:57.00 | AnduinLothar | not being able to skip videos is also a PITA |
| 19:57.17 | sylvanaar | thats sucks |
| 19:57.20 | AnduinLothar | like the intro movie.... start a new char, have to watch a 10 hour movie before you can play |
| 19:57.33 | Adys | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/09/10/27/1715200/Laptop-Fires-On-Airplanes?from=rss |
| 19:57.45 | AnduinLothar | the same movie you watched when you started your other 3 classes... |
| 19:58.00 | NeoTron | AnduinLothar: sort of like the childhood years in fallout 3 |
| 19:58.02 | NightHawkTheSane | what the crap? http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/blog/2009/oct/27/wine-labels-local-dialects |
| 19:58.05 | sylvanaar | the lord of the rings games were like that |
| 19:58.13 | NightHawkTheSane | god, i sincerely hope no one tries that with american dialects. |
| 19:59.03 | AnduinLothar | my friend was also crashing out every 15 min last night, he crashed out when a boss was at 2% |
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| 19:59.36 | AnduinLothar | didn't get quest credit and we could do it again unless we ditched my hosted game and joined HIS hosted game |
| 20:00.03 | AnduinLothar | couldn't/* |
| 20:01.49 | Parks | i hope to everything that the cutscenes in AC2 are skippable |
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| 20:05.50 | Shirik | Cide- help me |
| 20:05.58 | Shirik | I am actually understanding Lisp |
| 20:06.02 | Shirik | I'm scared |
| 20:06.13 | sylvanaar | you should be.... you should be... |
| 20:06.38 | NightHawkTheSane | understanding lisp is the first sign of insanity. |
| 20:07.20 | Thunder_Child | speaking lisp is the last sign |
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| 20:10.46 | Lunessa | lisp will destroy your mind. It is the dark language of the elder gods, spoken only by their dark acolytes. |
| 20:11.24 | Arrowmaster | AnduinLothar: 360 only supports 3, but 1 of those 4 has to be wireless since it only has 3 usb ports |
| 20:11.45 | AnduinLothar | only 3 wireless? |
| 20:11.46 | Arrowmaster | er 4, 3 wired 1 wireless max |
| 20:11.59 | Arrowmaster | yeah even with all wireless it only supports 4 |
| 20:12.03 | Arrowmaster | same with ps3 |
| 20:12.10 | Parks | doesnt get the difference; a programming language is a programming language, right? |
| 20:13.05 | sylvanaar | Parks programming languages are religions for geeks |
| 20:13.26 | alestane | Lunessa: Or, possibly, the first language, in which the gods wrought computing. |
| 20:13.32 | Arrowmaster | so i have a chair again now |
| 20:13.40 | Arrowmaster | but im fucking tired from assembling it |
| 20:14.02 | alestane | Arrowmaster: But now that you're tired, you have a place to sit down and take a loadoff. |
| 20:14.27 | Arrowmaster | mother fuckers that put a tiny hex wrench in a package that needs a lot of force to get the screws tight can fucking die |
| 20:14.29 | Lunessa | In the beginning there was the 0 and the 1 and they divided the light from the dark, and it was good. |
| 20:15.23 | NightHawkTheSane | http://xkcd.com/224/ |
| 20:15.42 | Parks | Lunessa: go on |
| 20:16.00 | Arrowmaster | i went and pulled out my archery quiver for one of the 3 different hex wrench sets i knew i kept in there but the only one with the right size was worn down so i went digging in my dads big toolbox in the garage for another one and finally found a good hex set that i could get some leverage on |
| 20:16.02 | alestane | Is that "With apologies to Robert Frost" or "Actually we hacked most of it together in Perl."? |
| 20:16.16 | Shirik | 0[9] fatal error encountered in SBCL pid 20509: |
| 20:16.16 | Shirik | %PRIMITIVE HALT called; the party is over. |
| 20:16.19 | Shirik | lol "the party is over" |
| 20:16.20 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: the latter, of course ;) |
| 20:17.13 | Lunessa | One of these days Parks, I'll write more in that vein. Got to put those college years of religious studies to work somehow. |
| 20:17.17 | NightHawkTheSane | "I mean, ostensibly, yes. Honestly, we just hacked most of it together with perl." |
| 20:17.28 | Parks | Lunessa: lol |
| 20:17.33 | Cide- | Shirik: lsi |
| 20:17.34 | Cide- | i |
| 20:17.35 | Cide- | lisp is great |
| 20:18.04 | Arrowmaster | you know the last time i can remember sweating this much from physical activity and not heat, atleast i was in a bed |
| 20:18.14 | Parks | oh snap! |
| 20:18.46 | sylvanaar | tmi |
| 20:19.05 | Arrowmaster | sylvanaar: with your mother |
| 20:19.10 | Parks | is masturbating that much work for you? |
| 20:19.12 | NightHawkTheSane | s/in/assembling/ fixed that for you :P |
| 20:19.51 | krka | lisp is a great language... in theory |
| 20:19.54 | sylvanaar | i love you guys |
| 20:20.10 | Parks | we love us too |
| 20:20.11 | Arrowmaster | NightHawkTheSane: my bed is fucking easy to assemble, ive got one of those select comfort air mattresses |
| 20:20.24 | krka | lisp is probably the best language of them all, if you are a compiler or parser |
| 20:20.32 | krka | possibly not if you're a human |
| 20:20.36 | sylvanaar | haha' |
| 20:20.39 | NightHawkTheSane | krka: convenient, i AM a compiler. |
| 20:21.09 | sylvanaar | krka are you quoting someone? |
| 20:21.29 | alestane | It has what, three syntactical constructs? |
| 20:25.53 | Cide- | just two |
| 20:25.54 | Cide- | () |
| 20:26.37 | zenzelezz | for those of you who remember me asking about public tax lists: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/10/22/world/AP-EU-Norway-Money-Roll.html?_r=3 |
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| 20:27.44 | Grum | any priest healers here who can advise on which t9 setitems to pick? |
| 20:27.50 | Parks | whats the difference between the 2 op levels in this channel? |
| 20:28.15 | Cide- | voiced people don't get to ban you |
| 20:28.24 | Cide- | but they're all the more awesome to compensate |
| 20:28.33 | Lunessa | But we will still eat your children and laugh at your code |
| 20:29.59 | NightHawkTheSane | voice isn't really used here. if the channel was muted (i forgot the mode for it) only people with +v or better can speak |
| 20:30.20 | alestane | I generally approve of not have more than necessary...Japanese can mostly be reduced to about 5. |
| 20:30.53 | Cide- | NightHawkTheSane: it is used... |
| 20:30.54 | Cide- | for displaying awesomeness |
| 20:31.12 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: that was very close to an actual english sentence.... |
| 20:31.46 | alestane | For the subject, look at the last thing I said. |
| 20:31.53 | Parks | laters |
| 20:32.43 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: yeah, took me a sec but i got that, it still made me do a double take, i think you mistyped a word or two ;) |
| 20:32.48 | Shirik | Cide, no it is not |
| 20:33.01 | Shirik | I only have one thing I like about it |
| 20:33.04 | alestane | Yes, "have" should be "having"/ |
| 20:33.06 | Shirik | and I'm not sure I like that |
| 20:33.21 | Shirik | that is for any function call, if you give it the same input, it will always give the same output |
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| 20:35.07 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: thanks for the link, btw :) |
| 20:35.10 | Cide- | that's nice, Shirik |
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| 20:35.32 | Shirik | It can be a good thing or a bad thing |
| 20:35.38 | Cide- | it's an interesting thing |
| 20:35.45 | cog|work | Arrowmaster: tempurpedic > select comfort |
| 20:35.58 | alestane | One thing about what? Lisp? |
| 20:36.03 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:36.03 | Cide- | I think programmers would be forced to design their code better if all functions were forced to be idempotent |
| 20:36.19 | Shirik | I think it would result in a lot of wasted work |
| 20:36.37 | alestane | That is, their returns are derived entirely from their args, without resort to any outside state? |
| 20:36.54 | Cide- | possibly true also |
| 20:37.31 | Cide- | I believe they may not look up or modify outside state, no |
| 20:37.43 | Cide- | that should be enough to classify it as idempotent I believe |
| 20:37.45 | Shirik | correct alestane |
| 20:37.54 | Shirik | You cannot "store" anything |
| 20:38.11 | Shirik | you can create variables I guess, but they're lost when you return |
| 20:38.28 | Shirik | it's impossible to accumulate state |
| 20:39.16 | krka | sylvanaar: nah, i came up with all those words myself! |
| 20:39.20 | alestane | "Idempotence describes the property of operations in mathematics and computer science that means that multiple applications of the operation do not change the result." |
| 20:39.22 | krka | i am great that way |
| 20:40.44 | krka | Shirik: you can pass state as args into functions of course |
| 20:41.04 | NightHawkTheSane | obnoxious work environments: coworker 3ft away with music on speakers and his phone on speakerphone on hold with hold music blaring. >< |
| 20:41.31 | NightHawkTheSane | krka: you invented ALL those words yourself? wow, you ARE great. :) |
| 20:41.39 | krka | thank you |
| 20:41.58 | krka | Shirik: one common approach is to do fun(oldstate) -> newstate |
| 20:42.40 | Shirik | right |
| 20:42.47 | Shirik | but still, for the same input arguments, the output is always the same |
| 20:43.22 | NightHawkTheSane | thats kind of a good thing |
| 20:43.45 | Cide- | makes RNG's a bit painful |
| 20:44.03 | krka | sure, but that's not a bad thing |
| 20:44.17 | Shirik | I have to use Lisp for theorem proving |
| 20:44.27 | Shirik | it makes some sense |
| 20:44.53 | Shirik | so I'm kinda curious though |
| 20:45.11 | Shirik | do Lisp interpreters recognize that functions cannot output different things and thus memoize results? |
| 20:45.17 | krka | thank youhttp://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node133.html |
| 20:45.20 | Shirik | I guess they can't entirely, since there might becalls like print, etc. |
| 20:45.20 | krka | err |
| 20:45.30 | krka | oh well, you basically pass along the rng-state to the random function |
| 20:46.20 | alestane | Cide: Means the RNG has to return the next seed along with the random number, ot use the random number itself as the next seed. |
| 20:46.33 | krka | Shirik: nah, print probably takes some sort of io-state with it |
| 20:46.33 | alestane | So that you can provide it back as an argument. |
| 20:46.39 | Cide- | yup |
| 20:46.49 | krka | lisp and similar languages are side-effect free |
| 20:47.31 | Shirik | krka: I just meant it can't optimize out the call |
| 20:47.33 | krka | a function always returns the same value for the same input, and can thus be cached or optimized |
| 20:47.42 | Shirik | because it needs to ensure that print is called again |
| 20:47.48 | krka | however, in the case of print, the inputs are NEVER the same |
| 20:47.58 | Shirik | well the inputs to print are |
| 20:48.02 | krka | nope |
| 20:48.02 | Shirik | probably some subcall isn't |
| 20:48.06 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:48.51 | Cide- | can't print be seen as a type of output? |
| 20:48.52 | alestane | "In computer science, the term idempotent is used to describe methods or subroutine calls that can safely be called multiple times, as invoking the procedure a single time or multiple times has the same result; i.e., after any number of method calls all variables have the same value as they did after the first call." |
| 20:49.15 | Cide- | since the printed data is a function of the input to the calling function, it can be memoized along with any function output |
| 20:49.18 | krka | depends on whether we're discussing pure lisp or not |
| 20:49.24 | krka | unpure lisp dialects are less interesting |
| 20:49.27 | Shirik | this is "common lisp" whatever that is |
| 20:50.32 | nevcairiel | isnt common lisp the extended version with OO? |
| 20:51.16 | krka | you could consider haskell though |
| 20:51.23 | krka | prettier language, and side effect free |
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| 20:55.18 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/ip_osoite_csi.jpg |
| 20:55.58 | smcn | do paladins have a proc or something that lets them do full damage vs damage reduction abilities like dispersion? |
| 20:57.21 | mikma | cairenn: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/a96859_dots.jpg |
| 20:57.23 | Thunder_Child | no, they just hit like mac truks |
| 20:57.26 | Thunder_Child | trucks* |
| 20:57.31 | Cairenn | lol |
| 20:57.45 | KarlKFI|work | ^^ |
| 20:57.54 | KarlKFI|work | they hit like trucks, if they hit |
| 20:58.17 | KarlKFI|work | with 3s between swings |
| 20:58.45 | KarlKFI|work | it's like a big ass cast timer except instead of standing still you have to chase down your fools of an enemy and stand in melee |
| 20:58.59 | KarlKFI|work | which is harder than it sounds |
| 20:59.06 | Thunder_Child | 10% of a ton of dmg is still quite a bit |
| 21:00.40 | Adys | mikma: awesome |
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| 21:07.33 | Cide- | Thunder_Child: it's 100kg of damage |
| 21:08.29 | nevcairiel | lol |
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| 21:11.23 | Thunder_Child | Cide-, now translate that into hp loss |
| 21:11.48 | Cide- | huh? |
| 21:12.06 | Cide- | it's equivalent to 100kg * (1-dmg_reduction) hp loss |
| 21:12.35 | Thunder_Child | thats a formula, i want the result |
| 21:13.05 | Ackis | 42 |
| 21:18.06 | Shirik | krka: I can't consider anything :) |
| 21:18.12 | Shirik | I have to use what I have been told to use |
| 21:18.39 | krka | anyone, haskell uses monads for thse kind of things |
| 21:18.54 | krka | printing and fetching user input is done through the I/O monad |
| 21:19.10 | krka | s/anyone/anyway/ |
| 21:19.24 | Shirik | anyway I won't really be doing I/O so it's a non-issue |
| 21:19.30 | Shirik | just doing calculations |
| 21:19.48 | krka | another cool thing about haskell is lazy evaluation |
| 21:20.05 | krka | you can literally define an infinite list |
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| 21:21.21 | krka | hm, gotta install hugs to try that |
| 21:21.57 | zenzelezz | hugs are optional? |
| 21:22.46 | Lunessa | Ok, might be back later. Take care all. |
| 21:22.52 | Shirik | Cairenn is a good implementation of hugs |
| 21:23.19 | NightHawkTheSane | too bad we cant apt-get install Cairenn |
| 21:23.34 | zenzelezz | #include <Cairenn> |
| 21:23.34 | Cairenn | giggles |
| 21:24.33 | Shirik | comments zenzelezz's C++ness |
| 21:24.37 | Shirik | s/comments/commends/ |
| 21:28.33 | Ackis | coughs on Cairenn and gives her H1N1 |
| 21:28.47 | Cairenn | smacks Ackis |
| 21:28.55 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:28.57 | Shirik | be nice to Cairenn |
| 21:28.59 | Cairenn | last thing I need right now, thanks |
| 21:29.27 | Cairenn | already on antibiotics |
| 21:30.15 | Ackis | anti-biotics won't help against the plague that is H1N1 |
| 21:30.27 | Ackis | works beside the "H1N1 warroom" for Alberta Health |
| 21:30.36 | Adys | you're a plague Ackis |
| 21:30.45 | Ackis | Adys: answer my PM! |
| 21:30.57 | Ackis | or did you go poop too? |
| 21:31.11 | Adys | watching psych |
| 21:31.27 | Adys | i dont think i thanked Thrae enough |
| 21:31.49 | Cairenn | Ackis: I know, but as I said, my immune system is already down, I don't need anything more thanks : |
| 21:31.50 | Cairenn | :p |
| 21:32.34 | Adys | i thought they got rid of immunities in wotlk |
| 21:32.40 | Cairenn | lol |
| 21:32.43 | cbreak | apparently healthy people are more likely to die to it |
| 21:32.47 | cbreak | which makes no sense |
| 21:32.57 | cbreak | since healthy people have no flu by definition |
| 21:33.03 | cbreak | but that's what radio news said |
| 21:33.19 | Thrae | Adys: Thanked me for what? |
| 21:33.28 | Adys | Psych |
| 21:33.54 | krka | haskell is so awesome: |
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| 21:33.55 | krka | pow2 x = 2^x |
| 21:33.55 | krka | powers = map pow2 [1..] |
| 21:34.03 | krka | powers is an infinite list of powers of two |
| 21:34.05 | Ackis | casts voodoo rank 42 on Cairenn to help her avoid the plague! |
| 21:34.11 | Cairenn | heh, thanks |
| 21:34.11 | krka | Main> take 10 powers |
| 21:34.11 | krka | [2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,1024] |
| 21:34.23 | cbreak | normal functional programming language |
| 21:34.34 | cbreak | just wait until you see monads... then you go insane :/ |
| 21:34.52 | krka | i think you misspelled gonads |
| 21:35.14 | krka | cbreak: not all functional langs have lazy evaluation though |
| 21:35.35 | cbreak | true :( |
| 21:36.13 | Ackis | tekkub: you around? |
| 21:36.45 | Adys | I think you can do that in python |
| 21:36.56 | tekkub | maybe |
| 21:36.59 | Adys | not in so few lines tho |
| 21:36.59 | tekkub | what? |
| 21:37.25 | Ackis | tekkub: are you mormom? http://cdn.holytaco.com/www/sites/default/files/images/2009/10/Religion-Flowchart_1.jpg (old joke from earlier today) |
| 21:38.04 | krka | and you can do useful stuff like: (take 10 (zip powers (drop 2 powers))) |
| 21:38.12 | krka | [(2,8),(4,16),(8,32),(16,64),(32,128),(64,256),(128,512),(256,1024),(512,2048),(1024,4096)] |
| 21:38.16 | tekkub | so if I wanted to be reincarnated I'd be double wican? |
| 21:38.27 | Ackis | tekkub: but you can't like bacon |
| 21:38.37 | Ackis | or something |
| 21:38.37 | Ackis | :P |
| 21:38.42 | krka | Adys: python has lazy evaluation? |
| 21:38.43 | tekkub | I mean, I have a black cat not because she's black, that was just chance |
| 21:38.51 | Cide- | krka: yes |
| 21:38.52 | tekkub | and then she plopped out another black one |
| 21:38.54 | krka | cool |
| 21:39.07 | tekkub | Buddhist seems more fitting there |
| 21:39.09 | Cide- | and lazy iteration so infinite lists are also easy |
| 21:39.25 | krka | and you can apply list functions to these infinite lists? |
| 21:39.27 | Cide- | more of a special case of lazy evaluation |
| 21:39.34 | krka | such as zip |
| 21:39.36 | krka | or take / drop |
| 21:39.41 | krka | or map even |
| 21:39.41 | Cide- | zip iterates over the list |
| 21:39.44 | Cide- | so yes |
| 21:39.50 | Cide- | map yes, in python 3.0 |
| 21:40.04 | Cide- | in older versions map returns a list rather than an iterator |
| 21:40.05 | krka | interesting |
| 21:40.13 | Cide- | so it'd try to put it all in memory |
| 21:40.15 | Adys | krka: |
| 21:40.16 | Adys | >>> powers = range(10) |
| 21:40.16 | Adys | >>> map(lambda x: 2**x, powers) |
| 21:40.16 | Adys | <map object at 0x7f1029083ed0> |
| 21:40.16 | Adys | >>> list(_) |
| 21:40.17 | Adys | [1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256, 512] |
| 21:40.29 | Cide- | (for older versions there's itertools.imap et al) |
| 21:40.36 | krka | care to show a code sample of this in python? |
| 21:40.37 | krka | Main> print (take 10 (zip [1..] (drop 2 [1..]))) |
| 21:40.37 | krka | [(1,3),(2,4),(3,5),(4,6),(5,7),(6,8),(7,9),(8,10),(9,11),(10,12)] |
| 21:41.00 | krka | i'm genuinly curious |
| 21:41.13 | Thrae | Adys: Ah, really like Psych, eh? Yeah my family got addicted on it even though they were skeptical at first, and they were Monk lovers before. Now they think Psych > Monk. |
| 21:41.21 | Cide- | what's take do? |
| 21:41.29 | Cide- | return 1...10? |
| 21:41.29 | krka | take the X first items from the list |
| 21:41.37 | krka | take <count> <list> |
| 21:41.37 | Adys | Ive nfc what that does |
| 21:41.39 | Adys | slicing i think |
| 21:41.47 | krka | drop <count> <list> removes the <count> first items from the list |
| 21:41.56 | Adys | Thrae: i wouldnt say that, not comparable |
| 21:41.59 | Adys | but still awesome |
| 21:42.02 | krka | zip of course joins two lists |
| 21:42.29 | Ackis | http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Dad-Son-videogame-Kills-Houston,news-4952.html hahhah |
| 21:42.56 | nevcairiel | a dad son videogame kills houston? |
| 21:43.31 | Adys | krka: |
| 21:43.41 | tekkub | Ackis: no, that left branch doesn't ask about bacon |
| 21:43.41 | Adys | >>> list(zip(range(10), range(2, 12))) |
| 21:43.41 | Adys | [(0, 2), (1, 3), (2, 4), (3, 5), (4, 6), (5, 7), (6, 8), (7, 9), (8, 10), (9, 11)] |
| 21:43.42 | Adys | was that what you wanted? |
| 21:43.50 | krka | no, you dont have any infinite lists in there |
| 21:43.51 | Cide- | easiest example would be zip(range(1, 11), range(3, 13)) |
| 21:43.54 | tekkub | because being jewish isn't an option there |
| 21:43.58 | Cide- | infinite lists aren't part of th elanguage |
| 21:44.25 | Adys | it is infinite until list()'d |
| 21:44.25 | krka | aww, it isn't lazy then |
| 21:44.25 | Adys | it is |
| 21:44.27 | Adys | zip returns an iterable |
| 21:44.30 | krka | so range(10) isn't a finite list? |
| 21:44.32 | Adys | in py3 anyway |
| 21:44.45 | Adys | krka: its not, it just has a boundary |
| 21:44.51 | Adys | its infinite until 10, basically |
| 21:44.59 | Thrae | Adys: 1) They're both detective shows with strong amount of comedy. 2) They both basically have photographic memories. 3) They both had terrible fathers and a warped childhood experience. 4) They both take place in California. 5) They're both consultants for the police. 6) They're both USA shows. I'd say that's a lot in common! |
| 21:44.59 | Cide- | class InfiniteList(object): def __init__(self, n): self.n = n def __iter__(self): return self def next(self): yield self.n self.n += 1 |
| 21:45.03 | Cide- | ^ krka |
| 21:45.03 | krka | so what if i wanted to apply the limitation outside, not inside? |
| 21:45.27 | Adys | what Cide- just said |
| 21:45.30 | Adys | you need a new object |
| 21:45.46 | Adys | the way python handles iteration is very sexy |
| 21:45.49 | Cide- | for i in InfiniteList(1): print i |
| 21:45.55 | Cide- | iterates from 1...inf |
| 21:45.59 | krka | hmm |
| 21:46.48 | Adys | Cide-: dont you meant __next__ ? |
| 21:47.22 | krka | Cide-: i can't get it to compile |
| 21:47.26 | krka | self is not defined |
| 21:47.38 | Adys | krka: you need some indent in this) |
| 21:47.48 | krka | pastey? |
| 21:47.59 | Cide- | Adys: no |
| 21:48.06 | Cide- | krka: what line? |
| 21:48.10 | krka | all of it |
| 21:48.19 | krka | is it supposed to be a one liner like you wrote? |
| 21:48.27 | Adys | no |
| 21:48.30 | Adys | one sec |
| 21:48.35 | krka | i split it up but i am not sure i got it right |
| 21:48.48 | krka | how would i write the take-function? |
| 21:49.08 | Cide- | http://pastey.net/127221 |
| 21:49.22 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/112897/ |
| 21:49.32 | krka | def take(n, list): for i = 1, n do yield list.next(); or what? |
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| 21:50.04 | Shirik | Python isa whitespace-strict language |
| 21:50.10 | cog|work | ~hug Lopeppeppy |
| 21:50.11 | purl | ACTION sneaks up on Lopeppeppy and suddenly hugs Lopeppeppy tightly |
| 21:50.12 | Cide- | krka: that works |
| 21:50.16 | Cide- | well |
| 21:50.23 | krka | need to define in a class? |
| 21:50.30 | Cide- | it = iter(list) for i in range(n): yield it.next() |
| 21:50.49 | Cide- | def take(n, list): it = iter(list) for i in range(n): yield it.next() |
| 21:50.53 | Lopeppeppy | heya, Cogwheel. |
| 21:51.17 | Cide- | I'm not extremely familiar with generators/iterators so forgive me for mistakes |
| 21:51.33 | Adys | krka: you dont need a take function |
| 21:51.33 | Adys | just slice it |
| 21:51.37 | krka | slice what? |
| 21:51.40 | krka | the zipped result? |
| 21:51.51 | Adys | >>> list(range(1, 10))[:5] |
| 21:51.52 | Adys | [1, 2, 3, 4, 5] |
| 21:51.58 | krka | oic |
| 21:52.08 | krka | crap i cant kill my python process |
| 21:52.19 | Adys | ctrl-c? |
| 21:52.24 | krka | didn't take |
| 21:52.38 | Grum | ctrl-d? :) |
| 21:52.44 | cbreak | kill -KILL |
| 21:52.47 | Grum | ctrl-z and kill -9 %1 ? :) |
| 21:53.01 | krka | >>> zip(InfiniteList(1), InfiniteList(100))[:5] |
| 21:53.03 | krka | that just hangs |
| 21:53.10 | krka | what am i missing? |
| 21:53.22 | Adys | well |
| 21:53.29 | Adys | actually it shouldnt hang |
| 21:53.31 | Adys | wait |
| 21:53.34 | Cide- | it should |
| 21:53.35 | Adys | whats your python version? |
| 21:53.40 | Cide- | zip iterates until either list stops |
| 21:53.48 | Adys | in 2.x it will hang |
| 21:53.53 | Cide- | it will in any |
| 21:53.56 | Adys | in 3.x i dont think it will |
| 21:53.57 | Adys | no |
| 21:53.57 | krka | 2.6.2 |
| 21:53.59 | Cide- | the input value is the start item |
| 21:54.01 | Adys | zip returns an iterator in 3.x |
| 21:54.02 | Cide- | not the end item |
| 21:54.09 | Cide- | true |
| 21:54.17 | Cide- | krka: from itertools import izip |
| 21:54.41 | krka | didn't work |
| 21:54.53 | krka | oops sorry |
| 21:54.59 | Cide- | you can't slice the izip object |
| 21:55.09 | Adys | >>> zip(InfiniteList(1), InfiniteList(100)) |
| 21:55.09 | Adys | TypeError: zip argument #1 must support iteration |
| 21:55.10 | Adys | py3 |
| 21:55.17 | krka | >>> izip(InfiniteList(1), InfiniteList(100))[:5] |
| 21:55.17 | krka | Traceback (most recent call last): File "<stdin>", line 1, in <module> |
| 21:55.17 | krka | TypeError: 'itertools.izip' object is unsubscriptable |
| 21:55.19 | Adys | i think they changed the syntax for __iter__ and __next__ |
| 21:55.25 | Cide- | ya, I don't know py3 |
| 21:55.30 | Adys | krka: try list() |
| 21:55.38 | krka | so basically... i was right and you were wrong? you can't really do lazy lists in python? :P |
| 21:55.39 | Adys | list(izip(InfiniteList(1), InfiniteList(100)))[:5] |
| 21:55.56 | Cide- | krka: you can |
| 21:55.57 | Cide- | you just need to define the proper methods |
| 21:56.05 | Adys | krka: i think i see what you mean now |
| 21:56.06 | Cide- | izip doesn't, it appears |
| 21:56.14 | krka | seems like an awful lot of work compared to haskell |
| 21:56.17 | Adys | slicing isnt exactly the same as haskell's take |
| 21:56.23 | Cide- | yu |
| 21:56.23 | Cide- | yup |
| 21:56.24 | Cide- | to lay the groundwork at least |
| 21:56.31 | krka | of course i can do lazy lists in any language, if i implement all of the lazy behaviour manually :/ |
| 21:56.31 | cbreak | lua can do infinite lists |
| 21:56.39 | cbreak | if you write an iterator function thingie |
| 21:56.42 | Grum | all of the methods have to handle iterators |
| 21:56.44 | Adys | krka: but you're TOO LAZY TO DO SO HAHAHAH |
| 21:57.22 | Adys | krka: more seriously, writing an infinitelist object is a few lines and i wouldnt be surprised if there is a module for it somewhere in itertools or something |
| 21:57.30 | Adys | but |
| 21:57.33 | Adys | its easier in python 3.0 |
| 21:57.34 | Grum | ilist? :) |
| 21:57.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: pong |
| 21:57.42 | krka | but python doesn't even provide built in utils for lazy lists for operations like zip, infinite range, map, foldl, filter, et.c.? |
| 21:57.54 | Adys | it does in 3.0 |
| 21:57.58 | Cide- | it does |
| 21:57.59 | Cide- | not all of them |
| 21:58.01 | Adys | in 2.0 zip returns a list |
| 21:58.02 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: I forget |
| 21:58.03 | krka | installing 3.0! |
| 21:58.06 | Cide- | for pre-3.0 they're in itertools |
| 21:58.08 | Shirik | it had something to do with PGP |
| 21:58.18 | Adys | krka: a list is never, ever infinite |
| 21:58.23 | Cide- | izip, imap, xrange (always imported), ifilter |
| 21:58.23 | Adys | to have an infinity you need an iterator |
| 21:58.31 | NightHawkTheSane | argh |
| 21:58.32 | Cide- | islice |
| 21:58.32 | krka | not in haskell :) |
| 21:58.42 | NightHawkTheSane | "I just knew it fixed my problem so i changed it, I figure dyou could go and fix it later or whtever." |
| 21:58.44 | Adys | krka: its a python definition |
| 21:58.47 | NightHawkTheSane | want.. to.. murder... |
| 21:59.03 | Adys | an infinite list is basically an iterator with no boundary |
| 21:59.07 | Cide- | a list in python is an array of fully allocated elements |
| 21:59.26 | krka | ok now i have python3.0 |
| 21:59.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: fail |
| 21:59.30 | krka | how do i do it? |
| 21:59.36 | Shirik | fail? |
| 21:59.42 | ScytheBlade1 | You forgot! |
| 21:59.45 | Shirik | I figured it out on my own! |
| 21:59.54 | ScytheBlade1 | 17:57 <@Shirik> ScytheBlade1: I forget |
| 21:59.59 | Shirik | I forget the question |
| 22:00.02 | Adys | krka: you need to modify Cide-'s code a little bit no idea how |
| 22:00.50 | Adys | ah |
| 22:00.51 | Adys | thought so |
| 22:00.53 | Lopeppeppy | Men in Black is so classically stupid-funny |
| 22:00.55 | Adys | its __next__ |
| 22:01.01 | Adys | >>> zip(InfiniteList(1), InfiniteList(100)) |
| 22:01.07 | Adys | <zip object at 0x7f74fa3c75a8> |
| 22:01.07 | Adys | >>> list(_) |
| 22:01.07 | Adys | ^C |
| 22:01.33 | krka | unsubscriptable! |
| 22:01.37 | krka | there's a funny word |
| 22:01.56 | Adys | slicing is exclusively for lists |
| 22:02.22 | Cide- | Adys: islice |
| 22:02.22 | Cide- | or the slice function |
| 22:02.22 | Adys | where from? |
| 22:02.23 | Adys | what |
| 22:02.35 | Cide- | itertools |
| 22:02.43 | Cide- | itertools.islice(iterable[, start], stop[, step]) |
| 22:02.43 | Cide- | Make an iterator that returns selected elements from the iterable. |
| 22:02.49 | krka | >>> print(take(5, zip(InfiniteList(1), InfiniteList(100)))) |
| 22:02.50 | krka | <generator object take at 0x7fdea0c74f50> |
| 22:02.58 | Cide- | take is an iterator |
| 22:03.08 | cog|work | isn't there a term describing numbers which are the result of n to the power of n? |
| 22:03.08 | Cide- | you need to iterate over it to print the elements |
| 22:03.17 | Shirik | yes |
| 22:03.20 | krka | print doesn't do that by itself? |
| 22:03.23 | Adys | no |
| 22:03.24 | Cide- | nope |
| 22:03.25 | cog|work | e.g. 1, 4, 27, ... |
| 22:03.30 | Adys | try list |
| 22:03.32 | Adys | instead of print |
| 22:03.38 | Cide- | the list() constructor does it implicitly |
| 22:04.07 | krka | damn it |
| 22:04.14 | Cide- | lol |
| 22:04.21 | Cide- | so many restrictions! |
| 22:04.30 | Adys | to be clear |
| 22:04.40 | Adys | "Infinite lists are possible in python, but not as easy as in haskell" |
| 22:04.47 | krka | http://pastey.net/127222 |
| 22:04.53 | krka | what's wrong? |
| 22:04.59 | krka | [(<generator object __next__ at 0x7f6b14d5b0a0>, <generator object __next__ at 0x7f6b14d5b0f0>), (<generator object __next__ at 0x7f6b14d5b140>, <generator object __next__ at 0x7f6b14d5b190>), (<generator object __next__ at 0x7f6b14d5b1e0>, <generator object __next__ at 0x7f6b14d5b230>), (<generator object __next__ at 0x7f6b14d5b280>, <generator object __next__ at 0x7f6b14d5b2d0>), (<generator object __next__ at 0x7f6b14d5b |
| 22:05.06 | krka | not a very pretty list |
| 22:05.21 | Cide- | I got that too |
| 22:05.32 | Adys | ok |
| 22:05.33 | cog|work | Shirik: do you know what it is? :> |
| 22:05.33 | Adys | one sec |
| 22:05.49 | Cide- | like I said, I don't know the iterator interface all too well |
| 22:06.45 | krka | tbf, it's about as messy to do it in lua as in python |
| 22:07.22 | krka | i like that haskell does everything lazily by default |
| 22:07.29 | krka | if a value is never needed, it's never calculated |
| 22:08.10 | cog|work | well assuming they're called "squabtabble numbers", my next birthday will be my last squabtabble number (barring the singularity in my lifetime) |
| 22:08.48 | foxlit | 9^9? |
| 22:08.55 | foxlit | silly me. |
| 22:08.59 | krka | 27! |
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| 22:09.06 | Adys | krka: i know whats going on |
| 22:09.31 | Cide- | oh, I'm stupid |
| 22:09.40 | Cide- | next() should return, not yield |
| 22:10.34 | Shirik | cog|work: not a clue :P |
| 22:10.42 | krka | cog|work: http://www.research.att.com/~njas/sequences/A000312 |
| 22:11.06 | Shirik | "sequence of numbers to the second tetration" |
| 22:11.09 | Shirik | best I know |
| 22:12.57 | krka | nice Cide- that made it work |
| 22:13.05 | Cide- | yep |
| 22:13.06 | Cide- | my bad |
| 22:13.11 | krka | but less elegant than haskell |
| 22:13.24 | Cide- | yield is for implicit iterators |
| 22:13.24 | cog|work | was hoping for something more like "happy numbers" |
| 22:13.24 | Cide- | i.e. |
| 22:13.25 | cog|work | ~lart mathematicians |
| 22:13.25 | purl | beats the living hamstercrap out of mathematicians |
| 22:13.31 | Cide- | def InfiniteList(start=1): |
| 22:13.31 | Cide- | er |
| 22:13.35 | krka | A000312 isn't good enough for you cog|work? |
| 22:13.53 | Cide- | def InfiniteList(n=1): while True: yield n n += 1 |
| 22:14.05 | Cide- | ^ working substitute for the class |
| 22:14.11 | Cide- | should make it a bit more elegant |
| 22:14.15 | krka | yeah a bit |
| 22:14.41 | cog|work | krka: "My next birthday will be the last in sequence A000312" ... nope, not really :P |
| 22:14.42 | Adys | http://pastey.net/127223 |
| 22:16.11 | Shirik | I need to reinstall IE8... |
| 22:16.16 | Shirik | IE 8 is not supported on this operating system wtf |
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| 22:17.40 | Adys | Cide-: you could make that a lambda even |
| 22:21.09 | Shirik | cog|work: There are some strange terms |
| 22:21.53 | Cide- | krka: got an even better solution soon |
| 22:23.09 | foxlit | besides, it's your life, not the sequence, that is set to terminate. |
| 22:23.19 | Shirik | personally I like the "friendly numbers" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendly_number |
| 22:23.49 | foxlit | Torchlight is pretty nice, btw. |
| 22:24.32 | cog|work | "Sociable numbers are generalizations of the concepts of amicable numbers and perfect numbers." |
| 22:24.36 | cog|work | >< |
| 22:24.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: thanks to that link, i think 6 and 28 just became my two favorite numbers |
| 22:25.11 | krka | I like the set of lonely numbers |
| 22:25.24 | Adys | A number without such friends is called solitary. |
| 22:25.32 | Cide- | krka: me too |
| 22:28.58 | cog|work | http://mathworld.wolfram.com/topics/Divisor-RelatedNumbers.html |
| 22:33.19 | Shirik | cog|work |
| 22:33.32 | Shirik | !g C4512 |
| 22:33.33 | batbot | Shirik: Compiler Warning (level 4) C4512 (C++) <http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hsyx7kbz(VS.80).aspx> |
| 22:33.39 | Shirik | how can I get rid of that without a pragma :( |
| 22:33.49 | Shirik | I don't want an assignment operator |
| 22:33.51 | WobWork | has clearly walked into a geeky conversation |
| 22:34.00 | Dagmar | In here? Never! |
| 22:34.14 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: i geeked your mom last night. |
| 22:34.52 | cog|work | ~poke Shirik |
| 22:34.52 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Shirik, pokes Shirik repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 22:35.06 | Shirik | cog|work sorry just venting :P |
| 22:35.07 | Shirik | easy target |
| 22:35.12 | cog|work | :P |
| 22:35.37 | Thunder_Child | ~weather klax |
| 22:35.55 | Thunder_Child | go go more windspeed~ |
| 22:36.03 | Thunder_Child | s/~/!/ |
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| 22:37.27 | Cide- | damn krka |
| 22:38.05 | Adys | Development has resumed and we can already present the first development |
| 22:38.05 | Adys | release on the way to 2.30/3.0. This release finally supports animated |
| 22:38.05 | Adys | GIFs closing the three-year-old bug report requesting it. |
| 22:38.20 | Adys | "Guess which app" |
| 22:38.34 | Thunder_Child | PS? |
| 22:38.39 | Adys | ..no |
| 22:38.47 | Cairenn | GIMP |
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| 22:38.58 | Adys | they both support animated gifs wtf |
| 22:39.03 | Adys | there is only one app in the world that doesnt |
| 22:39.05 | Adys | eye of gnome |
| 22:39.15 | Dagmar | That was a matter of taste. |
| 22:39.24 | Dagmar | i.e.,. EoG has some. |
| 22:40.05 | Lopeppeppy | GIMP is classy stuff |
| 22:40.10 | Adys | ugh |
| 22:40.32 | Cairenn | can't stand GIMP |
| 22:40.38 | Adys | neither can i |
| 22:40.49 | Cairenn | gimme PS, or PSP |
| 22:41.12 | Adys | psp ew |
| 22:41.17 | Adys | does that thing still exist |
| 22:41.21 | Cairenn | yep |
| 22:41.21 | Dagmar | waves his hand around his nose |
| 22:41.22 | Thunder_Child | playstation portable? |
| 22:41.28 | Cairenn | Paint Shop Pro |
| 22:41.32 | Dagmar | Paint Suck Pro |
| 22:41.40 | foxlit | Hey, who killed Linode? |
| 22:41.51 | Cairenn | notice my first choice was PS |
| 22:41.56 | Cide- | if I didn't know better I'd guess IE |
| 22:42.06 | Cide- | s/IE/IE8/ |
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| 22:42.49 | Thunder_Child | IE8 isnt 3 years old? |
| 22:43.07 | NightHawkTheSane | "if i didn't know better" |
| 22:43.20 | Cide- | you're not 3 years old |
| 22:44.23 | Cide- | Adys: |
| 22:45.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Getting version 34 of Steam HLDS Update Tool |
| 22:45.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Downloading. . . . . . . . . . .Steam Linux Client updated, please retry the command |
| 22:45.04 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/10/how_to_never_lose_your_remote.php |
| 22:46.02 | Lopeppeppy | I much prefer photoshop at work, but at least there's GIMP when you can't shell out for Photoshop |
| 22:46.02 | WobWork | still thinks they should rename Gimp to Fauxtoshop |
| 22:46.43 | Dagmar | Probably more honest to rename Photoshop to "Priceyshop" |
| 22:46.52 | Dagmar | Gimp has never attempted to emulate Photoshop |
| 22:48.26 | Adys | Cide-: ? |
| 22:48.32 | Cide- | sec |
| 22:50.34 | Lopeppeppy | It does the very limited stuff, and that's good enough for most users who aren't serious. If you're serious, shell out for Priceyshop and take some classes. |
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| 22:51.59 | kdtresh|work | gimpshop isn't bad |
| 22:52.06 | kdtresh|work | or at least it wasn't the last time i played around with it |
| 22:52.11 | Lopeppeppy | It does the bare minimum I need for personal use. |
| 22:54.23 | Dagmar | With the exception of plugins and some edge stuff there's little PS can do that Gimp can't |
| 22:57.15 | Lopeppeppy | the gimp interface is a bit more clunky for me, far less intuitive, but maybe that's because I've lived in photoshop for so many versions. |
| 22:58.05 | Dagmar | Most likely |
| 22:58.27 | Dagmar | The PS converts I've known were all trying to use the thing as it if were Photoshop, which is about as likely as trying to click on IE as if it were Chrome |
| 22:58.35 | ScytheBlade1 | The biggest issue I had with the gimp is layer movement |
| 22:58.52 | ScytheBlade1 | PS moves the active layer; the gimp moves the one you "click on" |
| 22:59.02 | Dagmar | Cleeck on layer, move mouse down a bit, cleeck on arros |
| 22:59.04 | ScytheBlade1 | PS is intuitive, the gimp is retarded |
| 22:59.19 | ScytheBlade1 | (btw, hold shift + move the layer in the gimp to move the active layer) |
| 22:59.23 | Dagmar | Gimp moves the layer you most recently selected. |
| 22:59.33 | ScytheBlade1 | It does not |
| 22:59.35 | Dagmar | It's not retarded, you are. |
| 22:59.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Not by default anyway |
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| 23:00.39 | ScytheBlade1 | select the move tool, and note the bottom portion of the toolbox, two options |
| 23:00.48 | ScytheBlade1 | "Pick a layer or guide" and "Move the active layer" |
| 23:00.51 | ScytheBlade1 | The former is default |
| 23:01.58 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, the layer stuff in Gimp is where I haven't been happy with it, but I just use it for general photo cropping stuff, if I need more, I take it to work and use PS3 |
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| 23:03.21 | DWSR | How does /castsequence work with abilities off the GCD, such as Demonic Empowerment? |
| 23:03.26 | DWSR | err, not /castsequence. |
| 23:03.28 | DWSR | /cast* |
| 23:03.58 | Thunder_Child | anyone know if you can flter the mounts on autobar? |
| 23:04.03 | Dagmar | Right so... I just fired up Gimp, created a new document. Clicked the button to create a new layer four times (to make plenny of layers) |
| 23:04.04 | ScytheBlade1 | As long as they don't invoke the GCD, you can /cast as many as you please in the same macro |
| 23:04.11 | DWSR | ScytheBlade1: Thanks. :D |
| 23:04.23 | Dagmar | What happens when I click the up/down arrows on the layers window? The _selected layer is moved_ |
| 23:04.32 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 23:04.33 | Dagmar | I didn't have to select one manually for it to move a layer. |
| 23:04.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Use the move tool and physically drag the layer |
| 23:04.42 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I was talking about |
| 23:04.45 | Dagmar | I don't even know how you could wind up with no layers selected |
| 23:04.56 | Dagmar | I can drag layers as well |
| 23:05.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Make a new picture, two layers. Draw a line with red on one layer, a line with black on the other, make sure they overlap |
| 23:06.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Select the layer that contains the line with red, click move, then click+drag the black line (with the red layer selected) |
| 23:06.27 | ScytheBlade1 | The black layer will move, not the (selected) red |
| 23:06.40 | Dagmar | Yes, it'll let you move whatever you grab |
| 23:06.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ... which is all I ever said |
| 23:06.56 | ScytheBlade1 | 18:58 < ScytheBlade1> PS moves the active layer; the gimp moves the one you "click on" |
| 23:07.09 | Dagmar | That's the way it's always been, because it's trivial to put out the eye on the layer that you don't want to move, or simply grab where that layer isn't populated |
| 23:08.08 | Dagmar | So again, this is a case of "I'm determined to believe that photoshop's way is 'right' and everything else is retarded" |
| 23:08.20 | Dagmar | This is why long time PS users have problems using anything else. |
| 23:08.24 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 23:08.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Way to put words in my mouth |
| 23:08.48 | Dagmar | ...or they'll claim that a program is trying to be Photoshop because the other program has to do things the PS way or users carp about it |
| 23:09.10 | Dagmar | There's nothing wrong with the way Gimp's layers work. |
| 23:09.11 | Dagmar | ...and you _did_ call it retarded. |
| 23:09.20 | ScytheBlade1 | The functionality in layer moving |
| 23:09.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Holding shift and it works the way /I/ want it to |
| 23:09.52 | Lopeppeppy | gives hugs. |
| 23:09.57 | Dagmar | ...and not holding shift results in something more usable for most people. |
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| 23:10.05 | Dagmar | i.e., you move whatever you've grabbed. |
| 23:11.45 | Dagmar | I'll go so far as to say that Gimp's behaviour in this respect is actually intuitive. |
| 23:11.58 | Dagmar | If someone clicks on something, they expect it to move, not the layer hidden under it. |
| 23:12.22 | ScytheBlade1 | And the moment you start working with anything other than solid, full color pixels, that becomes ambiguous |
| 23:12.42 | Dagmar | ...and yet it's still at least true for the common case |
| 23:12.42 | ScytheBlade1 | And counter-productive, and frustrating (until you notice the radio buttons/shift key option) |
| 23:12.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Not in *any* case I've ever personally used |
| 23:13.02 | ScytheBlade1 | So "common" is quite relative |
| 23:13.37 | Dagmar | So is "intuitive" apparently. |
| 23:14.22 | ScytheBlade1 | The layer is active or it isn't. That line isn't so solid when you're dealing with anything other than perfectly solid lines. |
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| 23:14.33 | ScytheBlade1 | </rimshot> |
| 23:14.46 | Dagmar | ...and yet in those cases, Photoshop's behaviour becomes less than intuitive immediately. |
| 23:15.12 | ScytheBlade1 | No, because the active layer padagrim is still perfectly obvious, it remains constant |
| 23:15.14 | Dagmar | Gimp's behaviour is at least consistent. You're moving what you grabbed with the mouse normall. |
| 23:15.36 | Dagmar | s/ll/lly/; |
| 23:16.07 | ScytheBlade1 | That's great when and if gimp agrees with you on which layer you want to move :) |
| 23:16.20 | Dagmar | Ctrl-z is easy enough to press. |
| 23:16.29 | ScytheBlade1 | So is shift |
| 23:16.40 | Dagmar | Beyond that it keeps you from having to manually select layers every time you want to move an element that's on a different one. |
| 23:16.44 | Dagmar | _THAT_ is "intuitive". |
| 23:17.31 | KarlKFI|work | on photoshop you can rightclick to select the layer from a list of the ones under your cursor... |
| 23:17.54 | Lopeppeppy | In Soviet Photoshop, Layer edits YOU!!! |
| 23:18.08 | Ginji | My random image generator renders all the time you put in creating images useless |
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| 23:19.22 | Ginji | In fact, when I perfect the algorithm I'm hoping to put all the media businesses out of business |
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| 23:20.02 | foxlit | sighs |
| 23:20.12 | NightHawkTheSane | zomg! http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Shark-Mauls-Great-White-Fears-In-Australia-After-Shark-Bitten-Off-Stradbroke-Island-Near-Brisbane/Article/200910415419981?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_4&lid=ARTICLE_15419981_Shark_Mauls_Great_White:_Fears_In_ |
| 23:20.14 | foxlit | That's the third calloc(blah, sizeof(wrong type)) error I make tonight :( |
| 23:20.26 | NightHawkTheSane | also, wow that url was a lot longer than i thought it was |
| 23:21.46 | A-KO | jesus |
| 23:21.51 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, there are big whites, the Sisters get that big (studied off the coast of CA for example). Sharks are apex predators, they will get as big as the prey will allow. |
| 23:22.42 | NightHawkTheSane | afks |
| 23:22.44 | Dagmar | s/allow/support/; |
| 23:23.10 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure the tastyfish don't reach a point where they all get together and say "That shark is too damn big!" |
| 23:24.22 | Lopeppeppy | You sure? |
| 23:24.29 | Lopeppeppy | Prey can be very intelligent |
| 23:24.58 | Dagmar | I think we'd have probably seen Jaque Cousteau really freaking out if common school fish started up and eating great whites. |
| 23:25.37 | A-KO | so that's what a mudkip bite looks like IRL |
| 23:25.40 | Dagmar | ...and it wouldnt' have been a ray that got Mr. Poke-It-With-A-Stick |
| 23:26.12 | kdtresh|work | maybe the fish that hang onto whale sharks "cleaning" them are actually eating them very slowly |
| 23:26.17 | Dagmar | lol |
| 23:27.31 | KarlKFI|work | one of them was starving |
| 23:27.57 | KarlKFI|work | either that or they unionized and ganged up on big brother |
| 23:28.18 | Lopeppeppy | nom nom nom, baby |
| 23:29.14 | KarlKFI|work | that's what she said |
| 23:29.54 | Cide- | Adys: ok |
| 23:30.29 | Cide- | http://pastey.net/127228 |
| 23:30.49 | Cide- | make sure you use python syntax highlighting |
| 23:32.45 | Adys | what the fuck is this monster? |
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| 23:32.54 | Lopeppeppy | Worms |
| 23:33.12 | Cide- | Adys: an infinite list! |
| 23:33.14 | Cide- | fully slicable |
| 23:33.30 | Cide- | and lazy, too |
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| 23:40.11 | Adys | so um |
| 23:40.17 | Adys | is there anyone left with wave invites here? |
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| 23:44.00 | Adys | http://dpaste.com/112952/ |
| 23:44.06 | Adys | what does that look like? |
| 23:44.19 | Lopeppeppy | garble |
| 23:44.40 | Cide- | base64 encoded data |
| 23:44.46 | Adys | its not base64 |
| 23:44.53 | Cide- | why not? |
| 23:44.58 | Cide- | it has two ='s at the end |
| 23:45.01 | Adys | because its not |
| 23:45.09 | Adys | tried decoding as base64 its invalid |
| 23:45.20 | Cide- | it's what it looks like. |
| 23:45.28 | Adys | oh u |
| 23:45.28 | Cide- | ='s are appended for the byte count to match up |
| 23:45.35 | Adys | I know |
| 23:45.44 | Adys | but definitely not b64+ |
| 23:45.47 | Cide- | why is it invald? |
| 23:46.25 | Adys | it isn't a valid base64 stream |
| 23:47.06 | Cide- | oh well |
| 23:47.11 | Cide- | enjoy the mystery |
| 23:47.15 | Cide- | off to bed |
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| 23:57.34 | Shirik | no Cide- |
| 23:57.36 | Shirik | don't leave me |
