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| 00:32.37 | bleeter | lol no vanish change |
| 00:33.18 | Lopeppeppy | cusses up a blue streak. it's been broken for how long now? |
| 00:33.41 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: that fix was never going to work with people playing on 800ms |
| 00:33.54 | bleeter | well, if it was, the fix would've been 'worse' than the problem, imo |
| 00:34.27 | Lopeppeppy | that's the problem as I understand, what they try doesn't work because lag effects everyone differently |
| 00:35.11 | bleeter | yup, and the mechanic is a fundamental thing of rogue-ish-ness that can't really remove from the class... so... |
| 00:35.23 | Tepel | hmmm, alcohol makes farming less annoying |
| 00:35.35 | bleeter | so... best option would be to buy up a bunch of ISP cable to route through when people play rogues! |
| 00:35.39 | bleeter | :D |
| 00:35.44 | Lopeppeppy | wheee! |
| 00:35.57 | Lopeppeppy | It's been broken for a long time, since they "fixed" shadowmeld and aimed shot |
| 00:36.21 | bleeter | i thought it was 'broken' before then? |
| 00:38.06 | Lopeppeppy | it didn't always seem to work right, but it REALLY broke then |
| 00:39.32 | Dagmar | Zaphod mode is something else entirely |
| 00:39.34 | Dagmar | wrong chan |
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| 00:49.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy, bleeter: gc had a decent post about why it was broken, when it happened, and such... had to do with combat log changes, iirc |
| 00:51.53 | Lopeppeppy | yeah, i've read his post and other blue posts, they disagree in specifics (likely the research has changed over time). But they do agree isn't not working as intended, that's good at least. |
| 00:52.22 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/14047/runecloth/#tab=item_related |
| 00:52.33 | Adys | Clear cache and wtb feedback |
| 00:52.33 | NeoTron | ah nice |
| 00:52.51 | NeoTron | so the Disenchant option is the same priority level as Greed. that's pretty awesomely perfect |
| 00:53.07 | Dagmar | NeoTron: Doens't matter to the whiny bastards in the PTR forum |
| 00:53.18 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: what does that option mean/do anyway? |
| 00:53.27 | Dagmar | They're acting like someone's going to twist their arm to disenchant every random green |
| 00:53.33 | Adys | I hope it only works if you actually have a disenchanter in your group |
| 00:53.55 | Lopeppeppy | I think I'll stick with the current system for de'ing in a group. |
| 00:54.04 | Dagmar | There's a big thread where a bunhc of them are making up ludicrously flawed arguments as fast as they possibly can |
| 00:54.12 | Adys | otherwise might aswell have a right click interface to choose whichever sockets and enchants you're gonna slap on your gear |
| 00:54.13 | Lopeppeppy | roll need, pass if no need, and the de person will pick it up. |
| 00:54.50 | NeoTron | Dagmar: people are acting like they, today, make money off disenchanting |
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| 00:55.02 | Dagmar | I get the feeling that a lot of these people have had a past policy of keeping a few shards for themselves |
| 00:55.18 | NeoTron | Lopeppeppy: why on earth would you do that? |
| 00:55.20 | Dagmar | "Oh no there were only three dream shards" |
| 00:55.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: well, in an ideal situation the game could automatically handle the pickup-disenchant-give-to-random-party-member bits, which hopefuly is what the 'disenchant' option does |
| 00:55.32 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: it is |
| 00:55.51 | NeoTron | it doesn't sound like an enchanter is needed |
| 00:55.53 | Tepel | My bags are full of crap already |
| 00:55.58 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: nice |
| 00:56.12 | NightHawkTheSane | now, if it also makes sure to distribute as evenly as possible, that'd be badass |
| 00:56.15 | NeoTron | I think one of the primary reasons enchanters are whining is the possibility of enchanting mats to become cheaper |
| 00:56.20 | Dagmar | I'll be one of the first to argue that all crafters should be paid for crafting things, but... |
| 00:56.46 | Dagmar | These guys aren't making a damn thing, they might, at most have to click twice, they don't have to go anywhere to do it, and there's zero effort involved beyond them being there. |
| 00:56.51 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, so the game will automatically DE something, through this new loot system? |
| 00:56.57 | NeoTron | yes |
| 00:57.06 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: hm. if no enchnater is needed... >.> welcome to soloing instances with an afk party member just to de stuff? |
| 00:57.11 | Lopeppeppy | Interesting. I could finally ditch it as a profession. |
| 00:57.11 | Dagmar | If it auto-de's it and then just gives it to the person who won the DE roll, all those whiners can get stuffed |
| 00:57.19 | NeoTron | "Group Disenchanting Option: In addition to rolling Need or Greed on items, players now have the option to elect for an item to be disenchanted. Disenchant works exactly like Greed except if a player wins the Greed roll, they will receive the disenchanted materials instead. Players who choose Need will always win the item and will always beat those that choose Greed or Disenchant. " |
| 00:57.32 | NeoTron | Need > Greed = Disenchant |
| 00:57.37 | NeoTron | it sounds like |
| 00:57.40 | Lopeppeppy | I like that concept. I approve of this message |
| 00:57.43 | NightHawkTheSane | "disenchanting" as a profession is kinda weak anyway |
| 00:57.49 | NeoTron | now if this was an option for master lootign... |
| 00:57.58 | NeoTron | that'd be awesome for guild raiding |
| 00:58.02 | Dagmar | Yeah so definitely we're seeing pushback from enchanters who probably got used to never being challenged on greed rolls for crappy greens |
| 00:58.09 | Tepel | I charge people for having their lockbox unlocked |
| 00:58.26 | NeoTron | Tepel: I'd rather sell my boxes to a vendor than pay for them to be opened :P |
| 00:58.31 | Tepel | :) |
| 00:58.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: they can, as you put it, get stuffed |
| 00:58.37 | NeoTron | really though |
| 00:58.40 | Legorol | Which heirloom weapon is better for a shaman alt before L40: Repurposed Lava Dredger, or Bloodied Arcanite Reaper? |
| 00:58.45 | Dagmar | NeoTron: So how exactly do you explain to your guild that you mis-clicked and de'd Shadowmourne? |
| 00:58.45 | NeoTron | has any of you _ever_ paid to disenchant anything? |
| 00:58.52 | Tepel | I have a brother |
| 00:59.02 | NeoTron | Dagmar: good point |
| 00:59.04 | Dagmar | NeoTron: Not even before I made an enchanting toon |
| 00:59.14 | Lopeppeppy | Legorol, you know that's a loaded question. What stats are you looking for, what's your spec, what stats do they have, etc etc etc... |
| 00:59.23 | Adys | new arena title will be Wrathful Gladiator |
| 00:59.24 | Tepel | Legorol: haste |
| 00:59.29 | NeoTron | It's typical they make it os mis-giving items isn't a "fatal error" _after_ I stop being a loot master |
| 00:59.33 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: I beleive I have answered all those from having given only two choices ) |
| 00:59.34 | Dagmar | Tehre's always someone in the guild (even when you're small) who has no problems de'ing whatever you mail them and sending the stuff back to you |
| 00:59.35 | Lopeppeppy | I have tipped a guildie to DE greens for me. Told them to keep half the mats for themselves. |
| 00:59.38 | NeoTron | I did that a few times in the past.. |
| 00:59.52 | NeoTron | Dagmar: exactly |
| 01:00.02 | Dagmar | ...although most of the time I just chuck mats into the guild bank until the leader starts fussing at me |
| 01:00.02 | Tepel | I charge everyone for anything that I can do for them, if they are friends I charge them even more |
| 01:00.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: i wouldn't waste time on the 2h if you're going enhance |
| 01:00.05 | Lopeppeppy | and I would always DE whatever anyone sent me and mail back the stuff. |
| 01:00.10 | NeoTron | so the "theoretical payment" for disenchanting is a rather silly argument |
| 01:00.12 | NightHawkTheSane | 1-40 is the easy half of leveling |
| 01:00.13 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: hence why i said pre-40 |
| 01:00.28 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: i have the ability to buy every heirloom, and i'm not afraid to do so |
| 01:00.30 | Dagmar | Crafting stuff you have to run all over, and do a bunch of inventory management crap |
| 01:00.37 | Legorol | i will load my alt with all heirlooms to cover all level ranges |
| 01:00.38 | NightHawkTheSane | now, if you have the 2h from some other toon, or badges coming out your ass, or whatever |
| 01:00.41 | Dagmar | DEing stuff is about as complex as dowloading porno |
| 01:00.48 | NightHawkTheSane | then yeah, the 2h is probably better pre-dw |
| 01:00.56 | NeoTron | Dagmar: I'd say the latter likely is more complex |
| 01:00.58 | Tepel | What about prospecting |
| 01:00.59 | Legorol | what do you mean "probably" |
| 01:01.06 | Legorol | since you can't dw, you must go with 2h |
| 01:01.13 | Tepel | Since prospecting is the disenchanting of mining |
| 01:01.13 | Dagmar | NeoTron: Dunno man. I can just MAKE UP site names and find one-click porno |
| 01:01.16 | NightHawkTheSane | well, you could go with 1h+shield |
| 01:01.18 | NightHawkTheSane | but thats silly ;) |
| 01:01.25 | Legorol | idd, and that wasn't included in the choice :) |
| 01:01.27 | Dagmar | I mean, it doesn't get much easier when you can find porn without really looking hard |
| 01:01.30 | Legorol | i mentioned the two 2H weapons |
| 01:01.34 | NeoTron | Dagmar: ah but that's VIEWING not DOWNLOADING... ;-) |
| 01:01.35 | NeoTron | heh |
| 01:01.36 | Legorol | (melee that is) |
| 01:01.44 | Dagmar | NeoTron: Go install RealPlayer SE |
| 01:01.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: :o so you did |
| 01:01.57 | NeoTron | realplayer.. I used to work at RNWK |
| 01:01.57 | Dagmar | NeoTron: It's _excited_ about the prospect of helping you pirate other people's content. |
| 01:01.58 | NightHawkTheSane | i need to l2read then |
| 01:02.02 | NeoTron | since I left I haven't used it once |
| 01:02.21 | Dagmar | I kid you not if you mouse over any embedded video, odds are it'll pop up a little tab on the upper right saying "Click here to pirate this. Arrr!" |
| 01:02.42 | Dagmar | Real is all about intellectual property rights China-style now. |
| 01:02.45 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: so now that you finished nitpicking, can you help with the choice :) |
| 01:02.55 | NeoTron | it's funny since they used to be the direct opposite |
| 01:02.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: lava dredger, then. you'll get more out of agi/ap/sp than str/crit, quite likely |
| 01:03.13 | NeoTron | i.e half the purpose of using real media for streaming was that it was streaming only and not downloadable |
| 01:03.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: lol, yeah, my bad, i thought you were looking at a 1h vs 2h, :) |
| 01:03.18 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: which is what i was thinking too, but! the reaper is 3.8 speed, the dreger is 2.9 |
| 01:03.20 | Dagmar | Hilariously, the reason *I* have it installed was that I was looking for a functional flv/rm player for my Windows Mobile phone, and that's what their site had me download |
| 01:03.20 | Tepel | mplayer > * |
| 01:03.28 | Legorol | i'm not good enough at shaman weapon scaling to tell if that's a big deal |
| 01:03.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: speed is pretty irrelevent pre-wf |
| 01:03.41 | Dagmar | I thought it was odd that it was a local exe, but I figured it would drop teh cab file into the appropriate place to sync to the phone |
| 01:03.42 | NeoTron | ofc the company completely missed the whole flash video thing and became something really obscure overnight |
| 01:03.44 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 01:03.51 | Legorol | don't your abilities scale with weapon damage? (hence speed) |
| 01:03.58 | Legorol | so far all melee classes that i played had that |
| 01:04.00 | Dagmar | I noticed it right away practically hopping up and down to get me to download videos off YouTube tho |
| 01:04.10 | NeoTron | real used to make most money from the server side stuff |
| 01:04.32 | NeoTron | now it seems all they do for money is rhapsody and casual games (from the outside) |
| 01:04.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: what abilties? :P you dont really have melee abilties to use |
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| 01:04.42 | Dagmar | NeoTron: And now very _clearly_ they've learned that to get people's attention, they have to help steal video. Hehe |
| 01:04.55 | NeoTron | must say this though |
| 01:05.08 | NeoTron | only placed I worked in where there was two-lane bowling in the basement |
| 01:05.10 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSane: ok, i'm a shammynoob so i don't know :) thanks for the help |
| 01:05.12 | Legorol | so when do you get wf? |
| 01:05.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Legorol: 30, iirc. |
| 01:05.35 | Legorol | so 1-30 go with dredger, 30-40 go with reaper, 40+ dw? |
| 01:05.40 | Arrowmaster | NeoTron: get us some proper decoders for an OS other than windows |
| 01:05.47 | NightHawkTheSane | nah, stick with dredger up to 40 |
| 01:05.49 | Legorol | (and yes, i will switch weapon for 10 levels if that's optimal) |
| 01:05.51 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: worked, past tense :P |
| 01:06.06 | Legorol | as you put it so eloquently, i have emblems coming out of my ass |
| 01:06.10 | NightHawkTheSane | heh |
| 01:06.16 | Arrowmaster | you still have inside contacts dont you |
| 01:06.20 | NeoTron | 4.5 yrs ago |
| 01:06.26 | NightHawkTheSane | well, i couldn't tell you if its more optimal or not, im not -that- good at enh math |
| 01:06.29 | NeoTron | I know a few people |
| 01:06.43 | NeoTron | I asked one of them the other day what real actually does these days. he didn't really know anything more than me |
| 01:06.48 | NightHawkTheSane | but i can tell you that even if it is, its not by much, and REALLY not worth caring about it for the 10 levels |
| 01:07.16 | Legorol | for me, it is worth caring :) |
| 01:07.18 | Legorol | i like min/maxing |
| 01:07.24 | Legorol | that's one of the few pleasures in wow |
| 01:07.30 | NeoTron | why not just go with the reaper from 1-40? |
| 01:07.36 | NeoTron | slow isn't worse either, really |
| 01:07.43 | NeoTron | misses hurt more sure |
| 01:07.44 | Legorol | NeoTron: because dredger has much more ap on it |
| 01:07.52 | Legorol | NeoTron: wrong, misses don't hurt more |
| 01:07.58 | Legorol | misses affect all weapon speeds equally |
| 01:07.59 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: dredger stats are generally more optimal for shaman |
| 01:08.00 | NeoTron | well |
| 01:08.08 | Legorol | sure it makes it spikier |
| 01:08.11 | Legorol | but average dps is unchanged |
| 01:08.13 | NeoTron | things die so fast typically that a 3.8s speed miss has more impact on an average kill |
| 01:08.45 | NeoTron | I just respecced my mediocre warlock and half the time kill stuff in two hits now |
| 01:08.49 | Legorol | that's a good point, these are discontinuous fights |
| 01:08.50 | NeoTron | immolate => conflag => dead |
| 01:09.27 | DWSR | NeoTron: In solo PvE. |
| 01:09.41 | NeoTron | DWSR: well yes. |
| 01:09.42 | DWSR | NeoTron: In PvP, it's usually DC, Immo, Conflag, CB. |
| 01:09.45 | DWSR | Then death |
| 01:09.58 | NeoTron | my gear still includes shoulders from SWP |
| 01:10.00 | Legorol | having said that, dredger looks awful |
| 01:10.05 | NeoTron | although I did actually replaces everything else |
| 01:10.14 | NightHawkTheSane | bah, dredger is awesome :) |
| 01:10.22 | Legorol | neotron, i'm surprised :O i thought L80 blues are better than swp gear |
| 01:10.31 | Legorol | i200 epics should be at least |
| 01:12.14 | NeoTron | http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=1861 so removing that achivement |
| 01:12.26 | NeoTron | about time. stupidest, easist achievement ever |
| 01:12.46 | NeoTron | actually ilevel 200 blues, two I got, weren't actually better |
| 01:13.01 | NeoTron | plus these days I really dont' want to spend money gemming and enchanting a blue |
| 01:13.11 | NeoTron | I want the easy to get shoulders from normal toc |
| 01:13.16 | NeoTron | but failed to get a pug last night |
| 01:13.37 | NeoTron | got one pug, 5 people ready to go.. and the healer had gone afk just before I joined the party to .. go make dinner |
| 01:13.48 | NeoTron | and was afk for a rather long time and then vanished |
| 01:13.55 | Lopeppeppy | that's what dinner means, long time |
| 01:14.03 | NeoTron | who the hell goes to _make_ chicken while in a pug |
| 01:14.15 | Tepel | buff chalcedony drop rate! |
| 01:14.17 | NeoTron | Lopeppeppy: well I didn't know wtf he was afk or I'd left earlier |
| 01:15.36 | Dagmar | Damn newbs |
| 01:15.44 | Dagmar | You're supposed to go make dinner during the boss pull |
| 01:20.24 | Jerub | i got toc10 last night XD |
| 01:20.32 | Jerub | well, last 3 bosses, i was invited to a saved raid. |
| 01:24.10 | tem | Hoooo! Look at that |
| 01:24.24 | tem | the Shadowmourne proc is just as good for a tank as it is for a dps |
| 01:24.26 | tem | wins |
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| 01:25.16 | Lopeppeppy | Win! |
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| 01:29.07 | Gnarfoz | holy git noob batman |
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| 01:31.55 | NightHawkTheSane | yes? |
| 01:44.27 | kd3 | zomg at the new buff ui |
| 01:44.33 | kd3 | 4 years later... |
| 01:44.39 | ScytheBlade1 | screenshot! |
| 01:44.52 | kd3 | I'm just looking at the patch notes; |
| 01:45.00 | kd3 | patch is halfway done downloading atm |
| 01:45.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 01:45.33 | Shadowed | kd3 ? |
| 01:45.46 | kd3 | New option - Consolidate Buffs: Enabling this adds a buff consolidation box near the mini-map. Very short term buffs (e.g. Replenishment) and very long term buffs (e.g. Prayer of Fortitude) are filtered into the buff box. The icons are stacked here, but they can still be seen by moving the mouse cursor over the buff box. Long term buffs will move out of the box when they are about to expire. Buffs such as important procs (e.g. Art of War, Lightning Overloa |
| 01:45.46 | kd3 | d), cooldowns (e.g. Bloodlust / Heroism, Combustion) or limited in range (e.g. totems and paladin auras) are always displayed. |
| 01:46.12 | Shadowed | oh hey |
| 01:46.29 | kd3 | ew option - Castable Debuffs: Enabling this will cause only debuffs you have cast on an enemy target to appear. |
| 01:46.31 | ScytheBlade1 | That sounds okay on paper |
| 01:46.33 | kd3 | new* |
| 01:46.33 | Shadowed | They are finally going to use UNIT_AURA_LIMITED or whatever it's called |
| 01:46.33 | ScytheBlade1 | on screen rather |
| 01:46.36 | NightHawkTheSane | "Lag Reports: Players can now report high latency or lag by accessing the Help Request menu." why does this strike me as a not really great idea |
| 01:46.52 | kd3 | nhts; they'll pay about as much attention as they do to spam reports |
| 01:46.57 | kd3 | just something to make people feel better |
| 01:47.02 | Shadowed | It's probably more like they'll use it on mass |
| 01:47.08 | Shadowed | rather than look at it individually |
| 01:47.14 | Ginji | It's like a spam filter |
| 01:47.17 | ScytheBlade1 | If 10,000 comcast users hit that button at the same time |
| 01:47.20 | Shadowed | the consolidated stuff is interesting, I wonder if they'll give us a new way of pulling out short term buffs |
| 01:47.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I think it'll help |
| 01:47.28 | Ginji | Imagine the usefulness of having all your spam tagged as "SPAM" |
| 01:47.32 | Shadowed | Although, I imagine they'll just hack it and do manually |
| 01:47.50 | kd3 | they've also finally mentioned the disenchant roll: |
| 01:47.53 | kd3 | Group Disenchanting Option: In addition to rolling âNeedâ or âGreedâ on items, players now have the option to elect for an item to be disenchanted. âDisenchantâ works exactly like âGreedâ except if a player wins the âGreedâ roll, they will receive the disenchanted materials instead. Players who choose âNeedâ will always win the item and will always beat those that choose âGreedâ or âDisenchant.â |
| 01:48.03 | ZorbaBeta | yeah that's useful for gross reports |
| 01:48.28 | ZorbaBeta | at some point I'm planning to rig something up in QH to report bad quest locations but I'm sure as hell not going to look at those individually |
| 01:48.31 | Dagmar | If people ever bothered to set their clocks... |
| 01:48.31 | Shadowed | actually, hrm |
| 01:48.45 | ZorbaBeta | kd3, curious, so I guess enchanters really won't be necessary anymore for disenchanting |
| 01:48.46 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Indeed. |
| 01:48.49 | Shadowed | From the wording of the consolidate buffs, it sounds like we might get some interesting API changes |
| 01:48.56 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Since you'll most likely have people junking up the data base. |
| 01:48.59 | DWSR | Shadowed: Yeah. |
| 01:49.02 | ZorbaBeta | (besides disenchant-from-AH, at least) |
| 01:49.07 | kd3 | interface diffs out in a few minutes |
| 01:49.12 | Shadowed | kd3, now! |
| 01:49.23 | Shadowed | The thing about the disenchant roll, is it just means you should always grind in a group |
| 01:49.30 | Shadowed | so you never need to mail stuff to friends |
| 01:49.37 | Ginji | hehe |
| 01:49.38 | DWSR | tbh, though. |
| 01:49.44 | kd3 | yay! black screen starting the ptr |
| 01:49.49 | kd3 | wonders what broke THIS time |
| 01:49.50 | DWSR | the DE roll thing stops enchanters from being douchebags and ninja'ing all the shards. |
| 01:50.22 | DWSR | Like, I had an enchanter in my group ask to use all the greens for DE mats, I said that was fine as long as he split up the shards from blues and purpz among the rest of the members. |
| 01:50.30 | Dagmar | "Sunlight is no longer supported. PLayers will be expected to carry a torch at all times" |
| 01:50.44 | DWSR | So he passed me 1 abyss crystal at the end and that was all. Kept the rest for himself. |
| 01:50.46 | DWSR | I was like =\ |
| 01:50.47 | DWSR | really? |
| 01:51.04 | DWSR | It was an all guild run too. =\ |
| 01:51.07 | Dagmar | DWSR: He's probably been posting to the forums about how this "screws over enchanters" |
| 01:51.14 | DWSR | Fuck enchanters. |
| 01:51.38 | DWSR | I'm glad that they've been nerfing the money making potential of professions. |
| 01:52.01 | DWSR | some professions, anyway. Enchanting being the big one that comes to mind. |
| 01:52.07 | Ginji | Lockpicking is the most profitable profession I've had |
| 01:52.22 | DWSR | Enchanting and jewelcrafting are easily the most profitable professions because they're always relevant. |
| 01:52.30 | DWSR | No matter what, people need new enchants and gems for new gear. |
| 01:52.30 | Dagmar | I wouldnt' call that nerfing it's money-making potential. |
| 01:52.39 | Dagmar | I'd say it's limiting it's MOOCHING potential |
| 01:53.03 | Dagmar | Enchanters can go get all the greens they want to DE at any time |
| 01:53.03 | Shadowed | It's mostly just to make dungeons more friendly for people |
| 01:53.11 | Shadowed | so you aren't penalized for not having an enchanter |
| 01:53.17 | Dagmar | There's a bunch of them who clearly just prefer to take the ones party members don't want instead |
| 01:53.19 | DWSR | Does Chains of Ice have DR? |
| 01:53.21 | Shadowed | it does also mean you can't have people being dishonest |
| 01:53.22 | Shadowed | No DWSR |
| 01:53.31 | Dagmar | Shadowed: That's not a penalty. |
| 01:53.31 | NightHawkTheSane | having to find and drag along a non-douche enchanter on runs to get mats sucks :P |
| 01:53.39 | Shadowed | Dagmar sure it is :p |
| 01:53.43 | Dagmar | No, it's not. |
| 01:53.47 | Shadowed | It's not much of a penalty, but it still is one |
| 01:53.58 | Dagmar | It's not a penalty any more than going to the grocery store without coupons incurs a penalty. |
| 01:54.01 | Dagmar | Learn ENGLISH. |
| 01:54.13 | Dagmar | A penalty is a punishment. |
| 01:54.18 | Dagmar | Thsi is NOT the same thing as "lack of reward" |
| 01:54.28 | Shadowed | oh for christs sake |
| 01:54.32 | Shadowed | stop being retarded about wording |
| 01:54.33 | Dagmar | exactly. |
| 01:54.53 | Dagmar | You're how old now and you still don't know English well enough to be able to properly obvert word meanings? |
| 01:54.54 | Shadowed | It's simple, you bring an enchanter you get shards/etc, you don't bring an enchanter you don't get them. It's a disadvantage/penalty/punishment/whateveryougoddamnwanttocallit to not bring one |
| 01:55.06 | DWSR | penalty. |
| 01:55.13 | Dagmar | The words do NOT mean the same thing. Period. |
| 01:55.15 | Shadowed | It's not a huge one, but it is one |
| 01:55.27 | Dagmar | It's not. |
| 01:55.33 | DWSR | Dagmar: You're arguing over intepretations, all of which are valid. |
| 01:55.35 | ScytheBlade1 | "Quit grouping with retards" solves nearly all "problems" |
| 01:55.40 | Dagmar | No they're not. |
| 01:55.56 | Dagmar | I'm arguing because 'penalty' is not the obverse of that |
| 01:56.18 | Dagmar | It's egalitarian bullshit thinking that makes people decide that's a logical statement to make. |
| 01:57.08 | kd3 | oh, what the? they pulled the /lfg slash command? |
| 01:57.08 | DWSR | at any rate. |
| 01:57.20 | Shadowed | It's called LFD now, it might be /lfd kd3? |
| 01:57.25 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 01:57.34 | DWSR | I agree with the change. |
| 01:57.36 | Shadowed | Odd that they would remove it, but that's probably what it's called |
| 01:58.10 | Ginji | Looking For Douche |
| 01:58.25 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: just ship them out as .gz... people can open them in a browser to view them in most all cases |
| 01:58.31 | DWSR | how's cross realm heroics? |
| 01:58.31 | ZorbaBeta | the difference between "penalty" and "lack of reward" is pure semantics, and the difference tends to be chosen solely to make one side look more correct than the other. The two are equivalent. |
| 01:58.50 | kd3 | dwsr; acts just like regular heroics, only you don't see your cross-realm party mates if you wipe |
| 01:59.04 | Shadowed | Pretend it's a battleground |
| 01:59.04 | DWSR | kd3: what about summons? |
| 01:59.14 | Shadowed | You are teleported to the instance by the LFD system |
| 01:59.14 | kd3 | you get a free teleport to the instance |
| 01:59.19 | kd3 | you can also teleport in whenever you want |
| 01:59.20 | DWSR | op |
| 01:59.22 | ScytheBlade1 | People are teleported directly into the instance, not the surrounding area |
| 01:59.35 | DWSR | no more lock stones. |
| 01:59.42 | DWSR | can you do raids cross server? |
| 01:59.49 | kd3 | not in 3.3, but eventually |
| 01:59.53 | DWSR | fail. |
| 02:00.00 | kd3 | the tech supports it; blizz just wants to try parties first |
| 02:00.07 | Shadowed | yea |
| 02:00.07 | kd3 | (blizzcon info -- things may have changed since) |
| 02:00.18 | DWSR | Once again, making lock summons totally fucking useless. |
| 02:00.23 | kd3 | which is fine by me |
| 02:00.26 | kd3 | I hated waiting on locks |
| 02:00.27 | Shadowed | ^ |
| 02:00.39 | ZorbaBeta | yeah the only people who are going to object to that are locks who want to feel important |
| 02:00.41 | DWSR | the current system works well |
| 02:00.43 | Dagmar | DWSR: Not useless |
| 02:00.56 | NightHawkTheSane | i wonder how long before we see the dissolution of servers as distinct entities and see battlegroups take their place |
| 02:00.57 | Dagmar | Lock summons can get a LOT of people somewher (like, Scarlet Monastery) at once |
| 02:01.01 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, Everquest "worked well". There's a reason we're not playing Everquest. |
| 02:01.17 | Shadowed | I doubt you'll see them completely disolve |
| 02:01.18 | DWSR | lock stones are really only more convenient on a pvp server where the other faction is clusterfucking the stone. |
| 02:01.23 | DWSR | ATM |
| 02:01.24 | Dagmar | I would argue that it worked "well" at release and went rapidly downhill from there. |
| 02:01.28 | Arrowmaster | as a lock i hate being relied on to get people to instances, it was fucking horrible in classic when nobody would ever goto an instance with a warlock in the party and you had to convince 2 of them to get to the damn instance so you could summon the other 2 |
| 02:01.30 | DWSR | After 3.3 ,they're going to be totally fucking useless. |
| 02:01.38 | Shadowed | You will still use them in raids |
| 02:01.43 | Dagmar | DWSR: Try to use the meeting stone to get to Scarlet Monastery at level 80 |
| 02:01.43 | DWSR | lol Arrowmaster: yeah, I know. |
| 02:01.49 | Shadowed | also you will use them if you are grouping manually |
| 02:02.05 | DWSR | No free port if you're not using LFD? |
| 02:02.06 | kd3 | looks like a lot of the lfd-stuff is moving c-side |
| 02:02.10 | Shadowed | yea from the sounds of it |
| 02:02.10 | kd3 | dwsr; dunno |
| 02:02.18 | DWSR | Gay, tbh. |
| 02:02.34 | DWSR | Like, I disagree with the free port, but i disagree even more with only making it doable with LFD. |
| 02:02.43 | DWSR | Though, you could just put yourself up in LFD and then invite that last member. |
| 02:02.45 | NightHawkTheSane | well, it looks like you an take a set up 5 man and queue up for lfd for the random dungeon stuff, so you can probably do that to get the port |
| 02:02.55 | kd3 | ^ |
| 02:03.06 | Shadowed | ah huh |
| 02:03.19 | NightHawkTheSane | but, i guess we'll have to see how its actually implemented |
| 02:03.30 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, seriously, you're coming across as someone who's whining because he's no longer worshipped by the masses. Sorry man. Sometimes they improve game mechanics so that people are no longer dependent on a single player. Today, you're that player. |
| 02:03.41 | DWSR | lol |
| 02:03.46 | ZorbaBeta | I'm a prot warrior, and prot warriors used to be the only viable tanks, and now they're not. That's just how the game evolves. |
| 02:03.54 | kd3 | was fucking ecstatic when they implemented mage tables and fish feasts |
| 02:04.02 | kd3 | I spent entirely too much time conjuring food/water |
| 02:04.05 | DWSR | I'm not really worried about being not relied upon. |
| 02:04.07 | kd3 | before raids... |
| 02:04.11 | Ginji | I love the lockpicking glyph! |
| 02:04.13 | DWSR | Because, as someone pointed out, stones are still useful. |
| 02:04.29 | DWSR | It's just that I'd like to be compensated for the utility, since that's part of why you bring a lock |
| 02:04.38 | Ginji | summoning people? |
| 02:04.42 | kd3 | uh, no. I bring the lock for dps |
| 02:04.45 | Ginji | really ... |
| 02:04.46 | DWSR | Ginji: Overall utility. |
| 02:04.46 | Dagmar | DWSR: You should go ahead and post histrionic messages in the forum about how warlocks are entirely obsolete and you can't get groups anymore, just to beat the rush |
| 02:04.48 | kd3 | just like I bring everyone else for dps |
| 02:04.53 | Shadowed | If people bring you because you summon others, you should probably look at what you are doing again :p |
| 02:04.56 | DWSR | Dagmar: It could be fun. |
| 02:04.58 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 02:05.07 | ZorbaBeta | they're starting to spread out the utility even further, what with the raidwide kings/mark/fort buff items |
| 02:05.07 | DWSR | inb4 the rush |
| 02:05.15 | ScytheBlade1 | From 10.254.254.1 icmp_seq=9 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 02:05.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: 10:1 odds says the rush has already started |
| 02:05.17 | ZorbaBeta | it's just a logical extension of "bring the player, not the class". |
| 02:05.24 | ScytheBlade1 | -.- |
| 02:05.36 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: I won't take those odds. I'd lose. |
| 02:05.41 | kd3 | +--Extra lines added because looking upward was too much work. |
| 02:05.41 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 02:05.42 | Dagmar | I'm sure they're alreayd bitching about it |
| 02:05.44 | kd3 | wha? |
| 02:05.52 | Dagmar | jhahahahah |
| 02:05.57 | Shadowed | Apparently the devs play upside down? |
| 02:06.13 | Shadowed | unless they were added to the middle of the code |
| 02:06.14 | kd3 | there's about 8 new lines of whitespace after that comment |
| 02:06.31 | Shadowed | .... |
| 02:06.38 | Dagmar | Someone was paging up and down |
| 02:06.45 | Shadowed | crying on the inside |
| 02:08.01 | kd3 | lmao... in the tutorial_data table: |
| 02:08.07 | kd3 | +[7] = "LootPig", |
| 02:08.08 | Ne-vyn | added some whitespace so he didn't have to read the code :> |
| 02:08.22 | kd3 | +[33] = "Jumping", |
| 02:10.03 | kd3 | grr; graphics driver update |
| 02:10.33 | cogwheel | was shocked that installing ati drivers in win7 didn't need a reboot |
| 02:10.45 | ScytheBlade1 | As of win7 if you do it properly |
| 02:10.48 | ScytheBlade1 | You don't need to |
| 02:10.52 | ScytheBlade1 | NV has the same |
| 02:11.03 | Ginji | about time |
| 02:11.05 | Dagmar | They've FINALLY learned how to load and unload code modules from ring0 |
| 02:11.06 | cogwheel | it's all user mode now right? |
| 02:11.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Pure userspace video drivers |
| 02:11.13 | cogwheel | or a lot of it, anyway |
| 02:11.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 02:11.16 | Ginji | Though I encountered some random win7 reboots too |
| 02:11.18 | Dagmar | We should all clap for them catching up to things Linux has been doing for ten years |
| 02:11.28 | ScytheBlade1 | er |
| 02:11.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 02:11.46 | Ne-vyn | chuckles |
| 02:11.46 | bleeter | and unix for 25+ |
| 02:12.02 | bleeter | in various ways |
| 02:12.03 | Dagmar | bleeter: No. |
| 02:12.25 | Dagmar | UNIX had an entirely monolithic design then. |
| 02:12.27 | cogwheel | Dagmar: i agree... people hated them for being behind (in both business sense and technical ability) and from my point of view they've been working damn hard to fix that over the last half-decade or so |
| 02:13.21 | Ginji | only cause they have to |
| 02:13.21 | ScytheBlade1 | points at the absolute piles of in-kernel video driver for linux |
| 02:13.23 | cogwheel | (agree that we should clap-- if not TO them, at least because we finally don't have to deal with the crap) |
| 02:13.39 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 02:13.48 | Dagmar | I was only being about half sarcastic there |
| 02:13.54 | cogwheel | :) |
| 02:14.04 | ScytheBlade1 | sorry, little agitated right now |
| 02:14.11 | Dagmar | When Win7 first did that in front of me you'd think the machine had sprouted pointy ears by the way I reacted |
| 02:14.14 | bleeter | Dagmar: ditto |
| 02:14.27 | DWSR | Dagmar: lol |
| 02:14.29 | Dagmar | I was convinced the new driver couldn't possibly be loaded yet |
| 02:14.54 | cogwheel | i loved uac in a perverted way. i guess i'm spoiled by wow allowing itself to iterate its design with so many people dependent upon it. |
| 02:15.26 | cogwheel | though i wish the public outcry were against the software developers... they *were* violating best practices after all |
| 02:15.56 | DWSR | cogwheel: yeah, but it's 50/50. |
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| 02:16.26 | DWSR | cogwheel: The fact that the system allowed that stuff to happen in the first place hepled lead to the abundance of poor programming practice. |
| 02:16.31 | cogwheel | *nod* |
| 02:16.37 | DWSR | so, tbh |
| 02:16.45 | DWSR | MS deserved at least some of the FLAC that they got for UAC. |
| 02:16.53 | DWSR | >.< |
| 02:16.55 | DWSR | God damnit. |
| 02:16.57 | DWSR | audio on the brain. |
| 02:16.59 | Corrodias | they could have fixed it sooner, maybe. but break compatibility and what do you get |
| 02:17.06 | Corrodias | more complaints |
| 02:17.10 | cogwheel | yeah, but not directed at vista |
| 02:17.19 | cogwheel | vista's the "cure" not the problem |
| 02:17.26 | DWSR | win7's the cure. |
| 02:17.33 | cogwheel | ;) |
| 02:17.36 | DWSR | Vista is the bad taste in your mouth once you try to down the crap. |
| 02:17.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Vista was (is) great. |
| 02:17.55 | Dagmar | Vista was people figuring out if eating the mold from the orange would kill you or not |
| 02:17.58 | DWSR | It wasn't as bad as most people made it out to be |
| 02:18.04 | Corrodias | i hated what Vista did to the audio system. i liked the rest of it. |
| 02:18.09 | Corrodias | win7 is no better in that regard |
| 02:18.13 | DWSR | meh |
| 02:18.16 | cogwheel | you know, at first it was rough, but i stuck through it for a couple months. once the driver and performance issues were sorted out, i loved it compared to xp |
| 02:18.18 | DWSR | I like the software mixer |
| 02:18.34 | kd3 | any wine users on the current (today's) ptr build? |
| 02:18.49 | DWSR | badly needed for misbehaving myspace players. |
| 02:18.56 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: I would, but nouveau... |
| 02:19.02 | Corrodias | perhaps, yes. i just wish they had included a way to RESET a program's volume |
| 02:19.53 | DWSR | lol |
| 02:20.11 | DWSR | like with many things. |
| 02:20.13 | DWSR | implementation good |
| 02:20.14 | Shadowed | mmm did you send the diff out kd3? |
| 02:20.14 | DWSR | err. |
| 02:20.17 | kd3 | yes |
| 02:20.20 | DWSR | idea good, implementation not so good. |
| 02:20.25 | Corrodias | i turn it down, then i want to turn it back up... but my OCD means it must be EXACTLY at 100% again |
| 02:20.29 | Dagmar | I have an answer to the myspace player problem. |
| 02:20.32 | Dagmar | NoScript. |
| 02:20.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I have a better one |
| 02:20.41 | DWSR | Dagmar: I don't use MySpace. ;) |
| 02:20.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Stab myspace dead |
| 02:20.42 | Corrodias | which means i have to turn the master volume up to 100% first or it'll make everything ELSE less than 100%. |
| 02:20.46 | DWSR | sb1: high five. |
| 02:20.52 | Ginji | Friendsface > Myspace |
| 02:20.53 | Shadowed | hmm |
| 02:20.54 | Shadowed | google hates me |
| 02:20.57 | Dagmar | Tehre's no point about worrying about whether or not the volume is too high or to low when the music is ALWAYS crap. |
| 02:21.01 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: s/stab/bomb from orbit/ |
| 02:21.37 | Ycarene | http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/22/fcc-begins-crafting-rules-on-network-neutrality/ |
| 02:21.42 | Dagmar | Too slow. |
| 02:21.43 | cogwheel | haha ... mrs cog got suckered into dying my sister's hair. ... hair that's almost butt-length |
| 02:21.47 | Dagmar | That happened yesterday. *yawn* |
| 02:21.59 | kd3 | are you on my list? I'm not seeing your address listed in my sent log |
| 02:22.00 | DWSR | Ycarene: Translation: We're fucked. |
| 02:22.14 | Corrodias | i dunno, the FCC has sounded like it's on our side |
| 02:22.22 | Shadowed | yea I am |
| 02:22.23 | Corrodias | in some part articles. haven't read this one. |
| 02:22.24 | Ycarene | Usless, companies will simply ignore any rules the FCC put forward. |
| 02:22.27 | Shadowed | shadowed.wow@gmail.com I've gotten it before |
| 02:22.27 | Dagmar | DWSR: No, that's the "real" version of Net Neutrality, not the Republican Trojan version |
| 02:22.36 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yeah, right. |
| 02:22.41 | Corrodias | i don't think you can just ignore the FCC... |
| 02:22.44 | DWSR | I'll believe it when my net becomes unfilitered again |
| 02:22.52 | Dagmar | We'll probably go through a round of what Ycarene is talking about tho |
| 02:23.00 | DWSR | When I start being able to fucking use the 16mbps down. |
| 02:23.12 | Dagmar | Unrealistic |
| 02:23.25 | DWSR | received from telecommunications companies that his plan would lead to gridlock on the Internet because they would not be allowed to act as traffic cops. <--- Fucking retarded ISPs, IMO. |
| 02:23.27 | Dagmar | They're promising people down speeds higher than most senders |
| 02:23.37 | Ycarene | Corrodias - they can if they are big enough, imagine a major carrier snubbing the FCC, the fcc acts, they bring their network down and cripple the internet within the US. |
| 02:23.45 | Dagmar | DWSR: They're not retarded, they're lying |
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| 02:23.58 | Ne-vyn | prefbar > noscript :p |
| 02:24.12 | Dagmar | In this case, it's safe to assume a careful conspiracy ratehr than the usual "army of stupid people working in concert" |
| 02:24.19 | Corrodias | i'd love to see it |
| 02:24.40 | Dagmar | Ycarene: The FCC won't shut them down. They'll fine the crap out of them. |
| 02:24.53 | Ginji | cookiemonster is awesome! |
| 02:25.02 | Ginji | as an FF addon |
| 02:25.16 | Dagmar | The FCC will _occasionally_ forcibly make someone's plans financially inviable by fining the crap out of them for it |
| 02:25.16 | DWSR | Dagmar: I don't trust that there are enough people who are intelligent enough for most conspiracy theories. |
| 02:25.22 | Ycarene | The major carriers have the entire country by the balls, they have more money than can they be reasonably fined, and they can use the threat of a shutdown (not done by the FCC) to make the FCC back off. |
| 02:25.36 | Dagmar | No, they'll do like they've been doing. |
| 02:25.36 | DWSR | Dagmar: Every time I hear "9/11 was a staged event" I immediately counter with "You trust humanity to pull off such a co-ordinated stunt like that?" |
| 02:25.45 | Dagmar | They'll throttle whoever they like, and then they'll LIE about it |
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| 02:26.00 | Ginji | And you'll bend over and take it |
| 02:26.05 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 02:26.07 | Ycarene | DWSR - Lets not forget that its managed to remain secret for 8 years now. |
| 02:26.07 | Dagmar | DWSR: Yes, that was a prime example of a very small number of people doing something assisted by lareg numbers of stupid people |
| 02:26.32 | DWSR | I honestly just don't believe in humanity that much. |
| 02:26.40 | DWSR | People are basically big dumb greedy apes for the most part. |
| 02:26.41 | Dagmar | I remember very clearly how reliable the average T1 circuit suddenly became the MOMENT BellSouth was allowed to open their own ISP service. |
| 02:26.54 | DWSR | With the more prominent people being bigger, dumber, greedier apes. |
| 02:27.08 | Dagmar | ...and BellSouth swore in court that it was perfectly normal for every ISP in the state to suddenly have one in ten PRIs down all the time |
| 02:27.21 | Ycarene | DWSR - Clinton couldn't keep his oval office blowjob out of the news, what makes people think that something the magnitude of staging 9/11 would be any different? |
| 02:27.37 | Corrodias | maybe the blowjob was just a distraction story |
| 02:27.41 | Shadowed | got it thanks kd3 |
| 02:27.41 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 02:27.41 | Corrodias | to distract us FROM the plot. |
| 02:27.51 | Ginji | Ycarene: sex is taboo in america |
| 02:27.55 | DWSR | No it's not. |
| 02:28.14 | Dagmar | If you think that's silly, go look at the congressional docket for the day Bush the First puked on the Japanese PM |
| 02:28.20 | Dagmar | _That_ was a distraction |
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| 02:28.26 | Ginji | Legal age to participate in erotic films: 18, legal age to watch erotic films, 20 |
| 02:28.35 | mikma | tekkub: http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/october/spectralbear.jpg |
| 02:28.44 | Shadowed | L:| |
| 02:28.50 | Shadowed | Blizzard didn't make temporary enchants less hacky |
| 02:28.51 | Ycarene | Ginji - I'm pretty sure it's 18 on both counts... |
| 02:28.51 | DWSR | Fucking hot mikma. |
| 02:29.04 | Corrodias | i'm pretty sure it is, too |
| 02:29.06 | DWSR | Ginji: It's different in each state. It's as low as 18 in some places. |
| 02:29.16 | tekkub | wewt |
| 02:29.17 | Ginji | Ycarene: it is, I'm sure it was like that somewhere |
| 02:29.19 | Corrodias | ah. federal law vs stupid law |
| 02:29.30 | tekkub | finally something to replace my since-lv-10 bear |
| 02:29.32 | Corrodias | i mean state. how did THAT happen? :V |
| 02:29.33 | Ycarene | ginji - the watch restriction is almost NEVER enforced though. |
| 02:29.40 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 02:29.42 | Ginji | Different issue :P |
| 02:29.51 | DWSR | can't you buy porn when you're 18 though? |
| 02:29.55 | Corrodias | i don't recall if there even is a law against minors -seeing- porn. it's providing it that ws illegal. |
| 02:29.57 | Ginji | Although, buying winegums in GB is hard as a minor |
| 02:30.05 | Dagmar | Basically, in most states, as long as everyone's at least 18 and no one's fucking an an endangered animal in the butt, the police just don't get involved. |
| 02:30.39 | cogwheel | Dolby: looks like the way addon pages are rendered makes the changelog show up on google: http://www.google.com/search?q=tomtom |
| 02:30.44 | Dagmar | I suspect this has something to do with every time stuff winds up in the press, the end result tends to be invariably worse |
| 02:30.52 | Ycarene | Ginji - Unenforced laws are just as effective as having no law at all. |
| 02:30.55 | Lopeppeppy | When I was 21 I got ID'd to see an R rated movie... |
| 02:30.59 | DWSR | Dagmar: What about Mooseknuckle though? http://is.gd/4yxIQ |
| 02:31.01 | Lopeppeppy | random enforcement is random |
| 02:31.09 | DWSR | Ycarene: Unenforced laws are just CYA mechanisms. |
| 02:31.10 | Dagmar | DWSR: I have a feeling I don't wnat to know what that is |
| 02:31.25 | Lopeppeppy | Mad Dog 20/20 |
| 02:31.26 | DWSR | Technically, it's against the law, so if something ever does happen, the state can go "You broke the law" |
| 02:31.31 | DWSR | Dagmar: It's SFW. |
| 02:31.41 | Corrodias | knuckling a moose sounds nsfw to me |
| 02:31.44 | Lopeppeppy | Dagmar, it's questionable. |
| 02:32.02 | Dagmar | Someone filled me in in another channel. |
| 02:32.08 | Dagmar | It's hostile to sentient life |
| 02:32.09 | Ginji | Only lemonparty is seriously NSF Anyway |
| 02:32.17 | Ginji | s/anyway/anyone/ |
| 02:32.17 | DWSR | Ginji: That's a lie. |
| 02:32.33 | Lopeppeppy | my work has pretty strict standards, that picture could get me fired just for "fapnet" |
| 02:33.05 | DWSR | oh, and is.gd allows you to add a hyphen after the link in order to preview the link you're getting directed to. |
| 02:33.15 | Ycarene | One could argue in court that if one is of sufficient age to participate in a pornographic movie, that the viewing of said movie lesser than experiencing it. |
| 02:33.32 | DWSR | Ycarene: Could and probably has been done. |
| 02:33.34 | Ginji | Yes, which is why it didn't make sense |
| 02:33.40 | DWSR | at any rate. |
| 02:33.45 | Ginji | But I'm sure I didn't make it up |
| 02:34.01 | Corrodias | no no, they kept their eyes closed as they got it up the butt |
| 02:34.05 | DWSR | ROFL |
| 02:35.27 | Ycarene | Heh, I don't see ANYTHING on the internet where I work. |
| 02:36.02 | Ycarene | Kinda hard to dedicate any time browsing when I'm schlepping around ice cream. |
| 02:36.14 | Ginji | mmmm ice cream |
| 02:36.26 | Ycarene | Ice cream CAKES |
| 02:36.32 | Ginji | mmmm cake |
| 02:36.38 | Lopeppeppy | i really want ice cream |
| 02:36.41 | Corrodias | as many as four tens |
| 02:37.11 | Ycarene | One of the easier jobs once you get the hang of it. |
| 02:37.26 | DWSR | http://fapit.net/v/1058/handicapped.jpg.html <-- Ok. |
| 02:37.40 | mikma | i had some plum icecream hour ago |
| 02:38.22 | Ycarene | There's no actual CAKE in the ice cream though, it's a chocolate flavored bottom with a vanilla side and top with crunch and fudge on the inside. |
| 02:39.03 | Lopeppeppy | pumpking pie ice cream is in stores right now. do want |
| 02:39.21 | Dagmar | Crap I completely forgot about that seasonal Ben & Jerry's variant |
| 02:39.30 | Ycarene | I gotta find a line making that and snag a tub. |
| 02:39.49 | tekkub | pumpkin ice crea pie >>>> all |
| 02:40.42 | Ginji | strawberry cheesecake |
| 02:40.53 | Ginji | mmmmmmmm |
| 02:40.59 | Lopeppeppy | ben and jerrys and edys both have awesome |
| 02:41.14 | Dagmar | Edys is too reserved. |
| 02:41.20 | Dagmar | It's for people in denial that they're eatin ice cream. |
| 02:41.37 | kd3 | hrm... new wide screen loading screens for the four world servers |
| 02:41.48 | kd3 | ponders what the appropriate aspect ratio is |
| 02:42.05 | tekkub | 16:10 is the one true aspect ratio |
| 02:42.12 | Dagmar | Let's hope it's 16:10 |
| 02:42.14 | tekkub | and if you don't know why, you fail |
| 02:42.37 | Dagmar | THe 16:9 people will cope |
| 02:42.37 | Dagmar | I |
| 02:42.37 | tekkub | sadly my new monitor is 16:9 |
| 02:42.37 | tekkub | it bugs me |
| 02:42.37 | Dagmar | I'm tired of seeing pillarboxes |
| 02:42.38 | Corrodias | 16:9's are cheap |
| 02:42.45 | Dagmar | This is because people don't want 'em |
| 02:42.45 | Corrodias | makes them popular... which makes them cheaper |
| 02:42.46 | Lopeppeppy | edys comes in a bigger box than B&J |
| 02:42.54 | tekkub | the dying one it replaced was 16:10 |
| 02:43.51 | tekkub | http://www.wowbash.com/images/1253791881.jpg |
| 02:47.01 | DWSR | http://fapit.net/v/27/Communism.jpg.html <-- And done. |
| 02:47.03 | kd3 | doobie doobie doo... |
| 02:47.20 | kd3 | waits for the upload to finish on his craptacular connection |
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| 02:51.11 | tem | crap |
| 02:51.12 | Arrowmaster | http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/sunday-toi/all-that-matters/Video-war-games-satiate-my-feelings-of-aggression/articleshow/5032672.cms |
| 02:51.23 | tem | I'm almost out of pandora free time for this month |
| 02:52.09 | Arrowmaster | buddhism leader plays violent video games and says they are as effective as meditation for freeing the mind of worldly passions |
| 02:54.04 | NeoTron | rock on |
| 02:54.11 | NeoTron | and listens to hip hop |
| 02:57.42 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kaydeethree/33 |
| 02:57.51 | kd3 | comparison of new-vs-old loading screens |
| 02:58.19 | ScytheBlade1 | FINALLY. |
| 02:58.20 | DWSR | kd3: All the loading screens got stretched. |
| 02:58.34 | ScytheBlade1 | That isn't stretched |
| 02:58.39 | kd3 | that isn't stretched |
| 02:58.46 | Dagmar | Bloody finally |
| 02:58.46 | Corrodias | that's no moon |
| 02:58.47 | DWSR | wait, bottom row is old? |
| 02:58.54 | kd3 | bottom row is old |
| 02:59.31 | DWSR | ah. |
| 02:59.37 | DWSR | Thought top row was old for a second. |
| 02:59.39 | Dagmar | You can't spot a 16:10 from a 4:3? |
| 02:59.43 | DWSR | Yeah, finally non AR fucked arthas. |
| 02:59.47 | DWSR | Dagmar: Didn't bother clicking. |
| 03:00.10 | Dagmar | I guess my eyes are better at spotting differences because of the astigmatism training |
| 03:00.26 | Dagmar | All the old ones are 4:3 |
| 03:00.39 | DWSR | yeah, I can tell the difference. |
| 03:00.48 | DWSR | It's just I didn't spot it from looking at them at like 1/50th the size. |
| 03:00.55 | Arrowmaster | wonder what they look like on a 16:9 |
| 03:01.54 | DWSR | Probably fine. |
| 03:02.54 | Dagmar | I don't think people on 16:9 screens are nearly as likely to notice the exceedingly slim black letterboxes |
| 03:03.14 | Dagmar | strike that, since they'd be pillars |
| 03:03.53 | DWSR | regardless. |
| 03:03.56 | DWSR | They're not that big. |
| 03:04.04 | DWSR | It's not like the HUGE MOTHERFUCKERS I have on there now. |
| 03:05.04 | DWSR | It's kinda like the world map. |
| 03:05.14 | DWSR | Just some big ass columns of fail on the sides. |
| 03:06.28 | kd3 | so here's hoping new loading screens going forward are going to be 16:10 now instead of 4:3 |
| 03:08.57 | cogwheel | omnomnom http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2541898&l=df3052e73b&id=563064469 |
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| 03:10.50 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: that looks fucking delicious. i hate you |
| 03:11.42 | cogwheel | :08 < cogwheel> omnomnom http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=2541898&l=df3052e73b&id=563064469 |
| 03:11.45 | cogwheel | sry |
| 03:11.48 | cogwheel | 20:10 < NightHawkTheSane> cogwheel: that looks fucking delicious. i hate you |
| 03:11.51 | cogwheel | err |
| 03:11.53 | cogwheel | stupid click-to-paste |
| 03:12.10 | kd3 | whee! about to lose a drive |
| 03:12.14 | kd3 | at least it's a raid drive |
| 03:15.41 | bleeter | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QAvkFS_cgk |
| 03:15.56 | kd3 | and yay, it's still in warranty |
| 03:16.25 | bleeter | RAWR! |
| 03:20.53 | tem | bleeter, I know nothing about politics in the UK, but my immediate reaction to that is that I'd probably be offended if I did know anything about politics in the UK |
| 03:20.55 | cogwheel | wonders if his video card is getting ready to take off |
| 03:22.00 | cogwheel | how about this: libel laws in england put the burden of proof on the defendant |
| 03:22.27 | cogwheel | and they'll let people in other countries sue someone from yet another country in english courts |
| 03:22.42 | cogwheel | as long as the "libellous" material was published in the uk |
| 03:22.57 | tem | I wonder if youtube counts as "in the UK" |
| 03:24.05 | cogwheel | heh... from the limited awareness about it, i'd suspect it only applies to british-based hosting companies |
| 03:27.33 | NightHawkTheSane | I need a usb button so i can trigger vent without reaching haflway across the desk to my other kb. >< |
| 03:27.56 | cogwheel | so um... what do they do with the sewage from the skybreaker? |
| 03:28.15 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: strafing runs on orgrim's hammer? |
| 03:28.40 | NightHawkTheSane | (or however you spell the horde ship's name) |
| 03:28.52 | cogwheel | XD |
| 03:29.10 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, you can actually SEE them shooting when they pass each other |
| 03:29.19 | NightHawkTheSane | who's to say what they use as ammo? :) |
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| 03:31.48 | NightHawkTheSane | desk, cat compartment included: http://www.flickr.com/photos/oipocorp/4038155803/sizes/o/ |
| 03:34.06 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, reddit is almost as idiotic as digg |
| 03:34.30 | NightHawkTheSane | i really dont give a fuck about your stupid screenshots of facebook chats, or pictures of your goddamn dog. |
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| 03:51.23 | Corrodias | oldie but goodie: http://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0020.html |
| 04:02.40 | tem | Okay, this Endless MAna Potion is completely OP for grinding |
| 04:02.47 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 04:02.57 | ScytheBlade1 | It's really quite nice in general |
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| 04:21.16 | Ackis | Adys: ping |
| 04:23.52 | Ackis | Bibi-: you around? |
| 04:24.49 | Bibi- | I know Ackis |
| 04:24.53 | Bibi- | and no, Adys isn't around |
| 04:25.07 | Ackis | you know what? |
| 04:25.07 | Ackis | lol |
| 04:25.21 | Bibi- | http://db.mmo-champion.com/ |
| 04:25.22 | Bibi- | that ? :) |
| 04:25.45 | Ackis | it works? :P |
| 04:26.50 | Ackis | do you rescan old items? |
| 04:27.36 | Bibi- | how old? |
| 04:27.47 | Ackis | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/44230/ and http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/44231/ |
| 04:28.05 | Bibi- | will do that slightly later |
| 04:28.32 | Ackis | ok, I'm getting emperical evidence that they both teach http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/59791/ instead of one teaching http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/59793/ |
| 04:28.44 | Bibi- | ok |
| 04:28.47 | Bibi- | I didn't sleep in 24 hours |
| 04:28.54 | Bibi- | and spent the last 2 hours tracking the most awful bug ever on the DB |
| 04:28.55 | Ackis | ugh |
| 04:29.01 | Ackis | poor bastard :( |
| 04:29.03 | Bibi- | use emperical again |
| 04:29.08 | Bibi- | and I swear I will hurt you |
| 04:29.11 | Ackis | lol |
| 04:29.30 | bleeter | good to see Blizz have, once again, no sense of time. announcing server restarts for 27 hours ago... |
| 04:29.51 | bleeter | instead of ~12 hours into the future |
| 04:34.27 | Balreign | Blizz have no sense of anything... Cataclism is going to be a big piece of shit. Paladin tauren, priest tauren, mage night elf, and other thing that doesn't feet the story line from the begining |
| 04:37.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Try the general forums? |
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| 04:40.21 | durcyn | http://i.imgur.com/cKc4n.gif oh, humanity, i weep for thee. |
| 04:40.53 | Fisker | hey you kd3 |
| 04:40.58 | Fisker | hey you durcyn |
| 04:41.37 | Ackis | Bibi-: I found out my issue, it's a bug w/ the faction transfer system, it doesn't transfer the wooly mammoth from horde to alliance version |
| 04:41.49 | Fisker | old Ackis |
| 04:42.21 | durcyn | oh it's a Fisker |
| 04:42.23 | Ackis | Fisker: you knew about that? |
| 04:42.34 | Fisker | trust me, i'm an expert on the matter durcyn |
| 04:42.52 | Fisker | yep |
| 04:43.44 | Ackis | Fisker: lies :P |
| 04:43.50 | Ackis | are they going to fix it ever? |
| 04:44.05 | Fisker | idk |
| 04:45.05 | Ackis | why not? |
| 04:45.17 | Fisker | i don't fix their bug |
| 04:45.17 | Fisker | s |
| 04:45.20 | ZorbaBeta | durcyn, that's totally awesome |
| 04:45.22 | Fisker | only report them :o |
| 04:45.30 | Ackis | Fisker: did you report it? |
| 04:45.32 | durcyn | ZorbaBeta: i hope he finds someone |
| 04:45.35 | durcyn | ZorbaBeta: and posts pictures |
| 04:45.41 | Fisker | yep Ackis |
| 04:45.49 | ZorbaBeta | that would be the best halloween costume ever |
| 04:48.06 | Bibi- | Ackis : my issue was my FUCKING CACHING HARD DRIVE |
| 04:48.06 | Bibi- | it ran out of clusters on a patch day |
| 04:48.06 | Bibi- | yes, I said clusters, not space, CLUSTERS |
| 04:48.25 | Fisker | i'm gonna fix your clusters Bibi- |
| 04:48.27 | kd3 | wow, fail |
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| 04:48.37 | Fisker | hey kd3 |
| 04:48.42 | Fisker | what's the new buff thingy? :3 |
| 04:48.47 | Bibi- | yes kd3. |
| 04:48.50 | Bibi- | what's the new buff thingy |
| 04:49.01 | Fisker | have they finally fixed buffs descriptions in tooltips? :3 |
| 04:49.04 | ScytheBlade1 | new buff/debuff UI entirely |
| 04:49.08 | kd3 | I've yet to be able to log in to see it, fisker/bibi. all I know is off of the patch notes and my interface diff |
| 04:49.09 | ScytheBlade1 | unrelated to buff descriptions |
| 04:49.13 | Fisker | btw Bibi- |
| 04:49.19 | kd3 | grrs at broken 3d |
| 04:49.24 | Fisker | i was like "I can't see that login screen, you're so silly Bibi-" |
| 04:49.33 | Fisker | Then i was like "Oh wait, i have to click it first" |
| 04:49.55 | kd3 | grrs more at a broken screw that he can't figure out how to get out |
| 04:50.13 | Fisker | i have an idea |
| 04:50.18 | Fisker | Get a drill |
| 04:50.51 | kd3 | my next line of action, most likely |
| 04:51.32 | Fisker | did they finally allow login customization or did i get screwed? |
| 04:52.53 | NightHawkTheSane | you got screwed |
| 04:53.14 | Fisker | showed after being disconnected :o |
| 04:58.44 | Fisker | stupid WMP |
| 04:58.55 | Fisker | couldn't detect a unplugged harddrive plugged back in |
| 04:58.58 | Fisker | without a reboot |
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| 05:04.09 | Recompense | Hey peeps, got a Lua question: Anyone have experience with PlayerModel:SetSequenceTime() ? |
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| 05:22.53 | Thunder_Child | ~asktoask |
| 05:22.54 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 05:23.25 | cogwheel | ~poke Thunder_Child |
| 05:23.26 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind Thunder_Child, pokes Thunder_Child repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
| 05:23.27 | Thunder_Child | also, weekends are a bit light in people actually paying attention to this channle |
| 05:23.30 | Thunder_Child | channel |
| 05:23.39 | Thunder_Child | sady cogwheel is one of them |
| 05:23.56 | cogwheel | instantrimshot.com imo |
| 05:24.28 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 05:24.35 | Thunder_Child | your opnion doesnt count |
| 05:24.41 | Duman | heh |
| 05:26.59 | ScytheBlade1 | finally got around to taking a picture of my pharmacy.. http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/drugs.jpg |
| 05:27.20 | DWSR | SB1: dude...wtf? |
| 05:27.37 | ScytheBlade1 | ^^ |
| 05:27.52 | NightHawkTheSane | srsly, wtf? |
| 05:28.04 | ScytheBlade1 | the wonders of chronic migraines |
| 05:28.15 | cogwheel | :( |
| 05:28.51 | cogwheel | Looks a lot like Mrs cog's desk. She's got chronic sinusitis |
| 05:29.00 | ScytheBlade1 | :/ |
| 05:29.02 | Recompense | I wasn't asking to ask |
| 05:29.11 | Recompense | I was asking if anyone knows how SetSequenceTime() works :D |
| 05:29.18 | cogwheel | agrees =) |
| 05:29.18 | Recompense | Also, hi Cog! |
| 05:29.23 | cogwheel | hai |
| 05:30.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I've probably tossed 10ish bottles over time too |
| 05:30.21 | Recompense | LTNS but that's because I need to be in this channel more I think |
| 05:31.25 | Recompense | Any rate: I'm trying to have a PlayerModel perform emotes on command. The problem is that while I've been told PlayerModel:SetSequenceTime(sequence, time) is what to use, I can't find a good working example. Any hints? |
| 05:31.48 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc sequence is the animation sequence that you want to play |
| 05:32.07 | ScytheBlade1 | and time is either milliseconds between animation "frames" or total milliseconds to play it over |
| 05:32.23 | Recompense | Is it used with OnUpdate to increment the model so that it advances through the sequence? |
| 05:32.42 | ScytheBlade1 | yes, sequence is non-descript and no, there is no real list of them, and yes, the number you plug in there varies depending on the model |
| 05:32.45 | ScytheBlade1 | not sure |
| 05:33.09 | Recompense | I've been told to use WoWModelViewer to get to them, which seems to work, but instead of actually sequencing, they just stutter and fail about 1/8 of the way in |
| 05:33.31 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:33.38 | Recompense | The numbers aren't important, I can brute force my way through them if need be with trial and error |
| 05:34.13 | ScytheBlade1 | they skip around, iirc |
| 05:34.23 | ScytheBlade1 | 0 1 2 5 7 10 |
| 05:34.25 | ScytheBlade1 | etc |
| 05:34.26 | Recompense | The numbers corresponding to the sequence? |
| 05:34.30 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 05:34.33 | Recompense | Or the actual frames themselves in the... oh, OK |
| 05:36.01 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:36.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: see my link? ;) |
| 05:37.04 | Cairenn | no |
| 05:37.13 | ScytheBlade1 | http://images.aboveaverageurl.com/misc/drugs.jpg |
| 05:37.42 | Recompense | Oh, Cairenn - *hijack* - any progress on the concern I PMed you about over on WoWI? |
| 05:38.10 | Cairenn | Recompense: blarg, I need to try again to track someone down |
| 05:38.22 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: do I even ask? |
| 05:38.41 | ScytheBlade1 | hehehehehe |
| 05:38.41 | Recompense | Cairenn: No worries, I haven't checked recently about trying to get a PW reset, let's see if that's running now |
| 05:38.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm curious how your stack matches up :) |
| 05:39.14 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: thats nothing |
| 05:39.29 | Arrowmaster | my dad had a kidney transplant |
| 05:39.40 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, that'd stack stuff up as well |
| 05:39.57 | Arrowmaster | it gets mailed to us in boxes now |
| 05:41.13 | Fisker | im srs Arrowmaster |
| 05:42.46 | Recompense | Cairenn: looks like I got an email re: lost password |
| 05:42.54 | Cairenn | Recompense: good |
| 05:43.33 | Cairenn | sorry, been a bit distracted the last little while |
| 05:44.51 | Recompense | Cairenn: Nah it's OK, no worries |
| 05:49.17 | Fisker | it's all those trouts she's been getting lately |
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| 06:08.39 | dGrimes | Is there a way to quarry a raid members current spec without any addon communication? |
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| 06:13.54 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> since when does wow's chat support ctrl-w? |
| 06:14.04 | ScytheBlade1 | always |
| 06:14.20 | NightHawkTheSane | crazy |
| 06:14.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I use it all the time |
| 06:14.35 | ScytheBlade1 | It is awesome |
| 06:14.39 | NightHawkTheSane | i JUST now noticed it |
| 06:14.47 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 06:17.00 | Fisker | ctrl+w? |
| 06:17.15 | ScytheBlade1 | erases the last word |
| 06:17.23 | ScytheBlade1 | on windows though, it tends to close windows |
| 06:17.30 | ScytheBlade1 | The last time I mentioned it here |
| 06:17.30 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 06:17.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Several people dropped out pretty quickly |
| 06:17.36 | NightHawkTheSane | not a problem on osx |
| 06:17.37 | Fisker | that's why i was liek "zomg" |
| 06:17.44 | NightHawkTheSane | hah |
| 06:17.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Didn't even mean to |
| 06:17.58 | ScytheBlade1 | But it happened! |
| 06:18.00 | ScytheBlade1 | And I laughed |
| 06:18.08 | ScytheBlade1 | A deep, hearty laugh |
| 06:18.10 | ScytheBlade1 | "Ha ha!" |
| 06:23.18 | Fisker | i am being pissed off |
| 06:23.24 | Fisker | general is /2 now |
| 06:23.26 | Fisker | and i have no /1 |
| 06:23.29 | Fisker | raaaaaaaaaaage |
| 06:23.35 | Cairenn | better than being pissed on, imo |
| 06:23.46 | NightHawkTheSane | so is there any mod out there that calculates your horizontal flight speed based on your pitch? |
| 06:23.50 | Fisker | naw |
| 06:27.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I think the thing that killed the last one of those (and prevented it from getting off the ground) was the part where you aren't flying over a level plane |
| 06:27.36 | ScytheBlade1 | So even if your pitch is level, it is all relative anyway |
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| 06:29.27 | ScytheBlade1 | which in at least WoW, is all that people care about |
| 06:31.02 | Dagmar | Without z-coordinates I don't think you're going to get a "real" airspeed |
| 06:31.14 | Fisker | gah |
| 06:31.18 | Fisker | looks like google fucked up |
| 06:32.17 | Dagmar | Not possible |
| 06:32.25 | Dagmar | Unpossible, even. |
| 06:33.30 | Fisker | just got an update to chrome |
| 06:33.41 | Fisker | when i restarted and it loaded up gmail it said it was already in use |
| 06:33.44 | Fisker | :( |
| 06:34.32 | Fisker | just gotta find out when it times out or something |
| 06:34.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: you dont need z-coordinates |
| 06:35.02 | Dagmar | You only get speed relative to a completely smooth surface without |
| 06:35.30 | Dagmar | Otherwise you might as well look at their mount and ask "Is the actor moving at all? Then 310% and we're done thanksbai" |
| 06:35.31 | NightHawkTheSane | but you can get pitch |
| 06:35.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Even with the z-coord |
| 06:35.48 | Dagmar | Oh you *can* get pitch information and it's not just camera pitch? |
| 06:35.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Along ground, you are rarely if *ever* at 0 |
| 06:36.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Even +/- 100 |
| 06:36.09 | Dagmar | It's the changes to Z that make it computable |
| 06:36.14 | ScytheBlade1 | The thousands is much, much more likely |
| 06:36.23 | ScytheBlade1 | computable-ish |
| 06:36.34 | Dagmar | Does Z change it's scale at different places? |
| 06:36.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Scale no, but I think it resets based on which zone you are in |
| 06:37.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: you can get your curent pitch (NOT camera pitch) |
| 06:37.07 | NightHawkTheSane | you cant do ground speed |
| 06:37.14 | Dagmar | The ground moves? |
| 06:37.22 | NightHawkTheSane | but with that + speed you can get flight speed |
| 06:37.36 | Dagmar | x and y have stayed consistent everywhere as far as I know |
| 06:37.48 | ScytheBlade1 | I should be precise.. the scale doesn't change any more than the x or y scale changes per zone |
| 06:38.16 | Dagmar | There's simple algorithms for making changes at zone crossings disappear in the averaging function |
| 06:38.44 | NightHawkTheSane | In any case, my original question was entirely about flight speed |
| 06:39.37 | Dagmar | Consideirng that nothing affects flight speed anymore (afaik) you can cheat and just look at their mount |
| 06:39.58 | Dagmar | They're either standing still, flying full speed, and maybe (I've honestly never tried) "walking" their mount in air |
| 06:40.04 | NightHawkTheSane | again, im talking about horizontal flight speed |
| 06:40.04 | Dagmar | I don't think they have a air walk mode tho |
| 06:40.40 | Dagmar | If you know x1 and y2 and the time elapsed between reaching any arbitrary x2 and y2 you can get what I think your'e asking ofr |
| 06:41.12 | Dagmar | That's just pythagorean theorem stuff |
| 06:41.14 | NightHawkTheSane | what i was aking for was if any addons did it :P |
| 06:41.19 | NightHawkTheSane | not how ;) |
| 06:41.22 | Dagmar | Oh... Not that I'm aware of. |
| 06:41.44 | Dagmar | TomTom goes a bit farther and just tells you a sort of guess about how long it's going to take you to get "there" based on how fast you're moving now |
| 06:41.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i actually KNOW how, i've implemented it in my local copy of my basicAttitude addon |
| 06:41.51 | Dagmar | It suffers from zone change realignments tho |
| 06:42.10 | NightHawkTheSane | i was just curious if anyone else had, i wanted to see what they did |
| 06:53.14 | tem | I'm so tempted to just grind out the rest of this level |
| 06:53.24 | tem | because these mobs are so easy to aoe |
| 06:53.28 | tem | and they respawn quickly |
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| 07:11.38 | ZorbaBeta | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v141/Tyrgon/hh.jpg |
| 07:13.50 | tem | ?? |
| 07:14.07 | ZorbaBeta | they are making a picture with HH corpses! Guess what the picture is of ^^ |
| 07:14.19 | Dagmar | A giant wang? |
| 07:14.27 | Recompense | is it... a penis? |
| 07:14.31 | Dagmar | No wait... |
| 07:14.37 | Dagmar | It says "mmog.com" doesn' it |
| 07:14.53 | Dagmar | Whoops, I was right the first time |
| 07:15.32 | ZorbaBeta | it is possible there is something penisy about it. |
| 07:15.51 | Dagmar | Reminder: It's a picture, and it's from the Internet. |
| 07:15.59 | Dagmar | This dramatically raises the odds that there's a penis in it. |
| 07:17.40 | Recompense | Why are straight guys inordinately fascinated with their genitals? |
| 07:17.56 | Dagmar | It's not just straight guys. |
| 07:18.14 | Dagmar | The yak.net guys act the same way, and they're all gueer as the proverbial pink ink |
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| 07:18.42 | Dagmar | I would imagine there'd probably be women doing a similar thing, but a vagina isn't as easily rendered recognizably in iconic form. |
| 07:20.27 | Recompense | Hmm |
| 07:20.29 | Recompense | Perhaps so |
| 07:21.19 | Fisker | slaps Dagmar around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:23.47 | Recompense | Not the trout -_- |
| 07:25.23 | Fisker | slaps Recompense around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:25.34 | Recompense | Just a bit, I can handle |
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| 07:34.13 | Thunder_Child | kd3, 272K is big? |
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| 07:43.21 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:43.43 | Thunder_Child | sends the seven plagues of Egypt to Fisker |
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| 07:51.08 | Fisker | oh neat |
| 07:51.11 | Fisker | i can die while i die |
| 07:53.04 | smcn | yo dawg |
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| 08:08.33 | jnwhiteh | http://apidiff.pastey.net/127053 |
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| 08:17.49 | zenzelezz | http://punditkitchen.com/2009/10/23/political-pictures-m1-abrams-tank-right-way/ |
| 08:18.11 | zenzelezz | I wonder how many vehicles have fallen victim to the "hey, let's do something fun" soldiers |
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| 08:25.14 | batrick | Shirik: get it working yet |
| 08:25.33 | Shirik | in competition, can't talk |
| 08:25.49 | batrick | THEN DON'T TALK CHEATER |
| 08:28.22 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:28.22 | Fisker | slaps batrick around a bit with a large trout |
| 08:29.17 | Adys | [07:26:06] <Ackis> do you rescan old items? |
| 08:29.18 | Adys | Im on it |
| 08:29.50 | Ackis | Adys: Did you read the scroll after it? It's the wooly mammoth faction transfer bug :( |
| 08:29.57 | Adys | ? |
| 08:30.34 | Ackis | I was horde, I knew the mammoth |
| 08:30.38 | Ackis | I faction transfered |
| 08:30.47 | Ackis | I still know the horde version of the mammoth |
| 08:30.55 | Adys | neat |
| 08:31.01 | tem | man they have abbsolutely raped the droprate on frost lotus |
| 08:31.14 | nevcairiel | did you try learning the alliance version now? |
| 08:31.16 | nevcairiel | wonder what happens |
| 08:31.28 | Ackis | nevcairiel: it costs 200 badges which I don't have yet |
| 08:31.30 | tem | in 5 hours of questing and picking up every node I see I haven't seen a single frost lotus drop |
| 08:33.05 | Ackis | btw nevcairiel can you run your script on babble-faction, I'm not sure why but it looks like that new faction didn't get picked up |
| 08:36.32 | nevcairiel | done |
| 08:36.36 | Adys | ackis |
| 08:37.31 | Ackis | ty |
| 08:38.26 | Adys | Ackis: do you like my tabs?! http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/14342/mooncloth/#tab=spell_reagents |
| 08:38.48 | Ackis | i do i do |
| 08:43.21 | Thunder_Child | sweet, there is an earthworm jim iphone game |
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| 09:03.27 | Wobin | http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-autistic-abuse,0,6293936.story |
| 09:03.29 | Wobin | wtf people?! |
| 09:03.31 | Wobin | ! |
| 09:04.37 | Cairenn | >< |
| 09:11.14 | Torhal | Cairenn: I don't suppose you've been following the idiotic banter on #wowace? :) |
| 09:11.21 | Cairenn | no |
| 09:11.24 | Cairenn | do I need to? |
| 09:11.37 | Cairenn | ie is there something going on that needs an op dealing with it? |
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| 09:11.44 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 09:11.48 | Cairenn | k |
| 09:11.52 | Torhal | Maybe. We have a rehash of the WM debacle and a guy who's saying we don't own our own work, and he wants to make his own addon site |
| 09:11.56 | Torhal | Heh |
| 09:11.59 | Torhal | Troll |
| 09:12.15 | Cairenn | >< |
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| 09:33.43 | Wobin | http://www.linkedin.com/pub/christoffer-pettersson/10/3a8/2b8 |
| 09:33.47 | Wobin | Corgrath ^ |
| 09:34.53 | Wobin | Anyone who says the internet is not personal, either needs not to use the internet for anything, or realise just what they're exposing |
| 09:57.40 | Zhinjio | OT, feel free to ignore: RT @DnDSpellOTD: D&D Spell of the Day: Fist of Oral Hygiene (please RT/FF if you dig this. Ploot) |
| 09:58.09 | Wobin | krka, now you're just being nasty =) |
| 09:58.46 | krka | nah |
| 09:59.04 | Wobin | "ploot"? |
| 09:59.08 | Zhinjio | Ploot. |
| 09:59.12 | Zhinjio | Decidedly. |
| 09:59.50 | Torhal | Blort? |
| 10:00.04 | Zhinjio | Now you're talkin' |
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| 10:07.26 | krka | too far now Wobin? |
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| 10:10.19 | Wobin | krka, get one of his mother |
| 10:10.23 | Wobin | and that'll be too far =P |
| 10:11.13 | Cairenn | krka: it worked for me ;) |
| 10:11.40 | Cairenn | complete troll that really had absolutely no clue who he was talking to, and about |
| 10:13.45 | Wobin | man, of all the people to piss off first |
| 10:14.03 | Wobin | clad is definitely not the best =P |
| 10:14.32 | Cairenn | nope |
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| 10:17.20 | krka | hm he got quiet now |
| 10:18.36 | Wobin | http://www.eatability.com.au/au/sydney/cala-luna/ |
| 10:18.43 | Wobin | hm, now -this- is good customer service and response |
| 10:19.17 | Wobin | note that Eatability.com is a generic restaurant review site |
| 10:19.41 | krka | ooh, he tried to counter \o/ |
| 10:20.06 | Wobin | krka, he's totally creeped out now |
| 10:20.12 | Wobin | and trying to delete his online presence =P |
| 10:20.31 | Wobin | but thanks to 'google cache' it'll never go away =P |
| 10:21.04 | Zhinjio | hahahaha |
| 10:21.09 | Zhinjio | I swear to god, we should call his mom |
| 10:21.48 | nevcairiel | i must've missed that part |
| 10:21.49 | nevcairiel | too bad |
| 10:21.55 | Wobin | chances are good he still lives at home |
| 10:25.47 | krka | nice, translation from private message: I can link your picture on the web too, but considering you have a family and child it might be unnecessary. Would it feel good if i pasted a picture of your wife in the channel or uploaded it to a porn site? Think before you do things like these. |
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| 10:26.13 | Zhinjio | hahahah |
| 10:26.37 | Zhinjio | calling his mom is playing softball. |
| 10:26.51 | Zhinjio | its when you start ruining his credit and buying a house in his name that things get ugly. |
| 10:26.57 | Zhinjio | *cough* |
| 10:27.02 | Zhinjio | was that my out loud voice again? damnit. |
| 10:27.38 | Zhinjio | this is the part where I shuddup. |
| 10:28.04 | Wobin | krka, woo, can you sign him up on the terrorist watch list or something? =) |
| 10:28.29 | Wobin | because going directly to "Posting pictures of your wife on porn sites" is a little on the extreme side |
| 10:28.49 | krka | nah, i don't do stuff like that |
| 10:29.34 | Wobin | I think Cairenn should just kickban him |
| 10:29.51 | Wobin | Threats like that are not kosher |
| 10:29.53 | Cairenn | meh, he's shut up for now |
| 10:30.58 | Cairenn | unfortunately, banning him from the channel doesn't take care of him sending stupid PMs like that |
| 10:31.21 | Cairenn | for that I need to bug Dave2 or T, to see if they'll k-line him |
| 10:33.06 | Cairenn | now, if he /is/ continuing to send crap like that, /do/ let me know, and I /will/ take it to the freenode staff |
| 10:34.16 | krka | wow, now he's linking to a youtube video my wife uploaded of our daughter building with bricks |
| 10:34.36 | krka | not sure what he's trying to prove |
| 10:34.46 | Cairenn | krka ... |
| 10:34.52 | Cairenn | not kosher |
| 10:35.07 | krka | here it is fwiw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLvhBcsc9k8&feature=channel |
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| 10:35.15 | krka | not really something i'm ashamed of :P |
| 10:35.27 | krka | pretty cute even! |
| 10:36.06 | nevcairiel | your language sounds funny |
| 10:36.49 | nevcairiel | maybe i should learn swedish :P |
| 10:36.57 | Zhinjio | dude. kid == cute personified. |
| 10:36.58 | Zhinjio | grats |
| 10:37.05 | krka | thanks |
| 10:37.20 | Zhinjio | I'd link you to one of min.... hmm. maybe I do have one. |
| 10:37.21 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 10:38.43 | Arrowmaster | am i missing something thats going on here? |
| 10:38.49 | Zhinjio | roight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aSitdAzTJw |
| 10:40.17 | Wobin | Zhinjio, teaching the kid to three point turn? =) |
| 10:40.27 | krka | cute and impressive walking, mine can't walk yet :( |
| 10:40.28 | Zhinjio | no kidding. she needs to figure it out |
| 10:40.38 | krka | only sideways when holding on to the couch or something |
| 10:40.46 | Zhinjio | <3 my daughter. |
| 10:40.54 | Zhinjio | she's so full of awesome. |
| 10:41.15 | krka | how old? |
| 10:41.19 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: just the last two hours in #wowace :P |
| 10:41.20 | Zhinjio | on her first birthday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLa3GMtKDWU&NR=1 |
| 10:41.22 | Zhinjio | 14 months now |
| 10:41.28 | Zhinjio | at that time, she was..... just shy of a year |
| 10:41.47 | krka | ah cool, hopefully mine will walk by then too |
| 10:41.50 | Zhinjio | the dress in that one was strictly for my mom. |
| 10:41.51 | Zhinjio | grins. |
| 10:41.59 | Zhinjio | she bought it |
| 10:42.03 | Zhinjio | so we had to wear it |
| 10:42.03 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 10:42.14 | Zhinjio | plx excuse my awful camera work |
| 10:42.34 | krka | nice! |
| 10:43.09 | Wobin | Zhinjio, hehe your daughter is so squeaky =) |
| 10:43.12 | krka | latest: maybe i should text your wife instead, so she can have a word with you |
| 10:43.17 | Zhinjio | she totally is |
| 10:43.26 | Wobin | Cairenn, has he crossed the line yet? |
| 10:43.29 | Zhinjio | she imitates my whistling by squeaking in the same pitch |
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| 10:43.31 | Zhinjio | its crazy |
| 10:44.09 | Wobin | krka, You should record all this |
| 10:44.16 | Wobin | and send it to the local police for his area |
| 10:44.21 | krka | i always log everything |
| 10:44.22 | Arrowmaster | is this the guy that created the 'forgegaming' site and posted on the ui forums about its upcoming beta? |
| 10:44.25 | krka | meh, nothing illegal has ben done |
| 10:44.37 | Arrowmaster | which even went as far as to copy curses logo |
| 10:45.00 | Wobin | Arrowmaster, that sounds like what that china gaming company that used to host WoW did =P |
| 10:45.15 | Zhinjio | the obligatory first birthday eating of the cupcake video: http://www.youtube.com/user/zhinjio#p/a/5/kTAA-D_omh0 |
| 10:45.17 | Zhinjio | heh |
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| 10:46.19 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.19 | Wobin | Spam Marked as spam |
| 10:46.19 | Wobin | YOOO CHECK OUT MY NEW ASSS SHAKING VIDEO! |
| 10:46.23 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: nah, forgegaming was some US guy |
| 10:46.33 | krka | i can counter your squeekiness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFQFzScYXoc&feature=channel |
| 10:47.00 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowace.com/profiles/corgrath/ |
| 10:47.04 | Arrowmaster | can i ban it? |
| 10:47.11 | Zhinjio | omg, that is fantastic |
| 10:47.41 | Arrowmaster | email is corgrath@corgrath.com |
| 10:48.19 | Wobin | Arrowmaster, we already know where he lives =P |
| 10:49.10 | Arrowmaster | but that is his curse account right |
| 10:49.36 | Zhinjio | ok, I'll stop linking pictures of my daughter, right after these two: |
| 10:49.40 | Wobin | yeah |
| 10:50.05 | Zhinjio | this one requires no explanation: http://babyblog.trippy.org/?page_id=25&g2_itemId=978 |
| 10:50.06 | Zhinjio | and this one is cute beyond cute: http://babyblog.trippy.org/?page_id=25&g2_itemId=1311 |
| 10:50.23 | krka | yeah, when being a parent it's important to know when to stop bragging about your child :P |
| 10:50.25 | nevcairiel | that is cute |
| 10:51.04 | Zhinjio | yeah, not everyone is equipped to appreciate "omg my baby is everything" |
| 10:51.05 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 10:51.52 | Cairenn | Wobin: btw, I didn't ignore your question, I've been talking to krka about it directly |
| 10:52.07 | Cairenn | :) |
| 10:52.09 | Wobin | Cairenn, I'd no doubt =) |
| 10:52.26 | krka | either the receiver isn't a parent, and can't relate to the awesomeness, or the receiver is also a parent, and needs to counter, which triggers a neverending loop of kid pictures/videos |
| 10:52.38 | Zhinjio | Wobin: sorry, didn't mean to be over-bearing |
| 10:52.49 | Wobin | no no, that was in response to Arrowmaster |
| 10:53.03 | Wobin | cute kids always welcome =) |
| 10:53.06 | Zhinjio | heh. ok. |
| 10:53.14 | nevcairiel | wonder what happens if the receiver is a parent with a child that left the cute-phase some tiem ago :P |
| 10:53.17 | Zhinjio | I try not to be intrusive. |
| 10:53.29 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Get off my planet! |
| 10:53.35 | Zhinjio | <--- Fail. |
| 10:53.38 | Torhal | Hah |
| 10:54.55 | krka | good question nevcairiel |
| 10:55.51 | Wobin | hm |
| 10:56.02 | Wobin | pdf reader that isn't Acrobat? |
| 10:56.10 | nevcairiel | windows?linux? |
| 10:56.12 | Wobin | Foxit doesn't appear to work for me =( |
| 10:56.13 | Wobin | windows |
| 10:56.18 | Wobin | 64 Windows 7 |
| 10:56.20 | nevcairiel | bleh i was going to say foxit :P |
| 10:56.29 | Wobin | Yeah, it just errors out for me =( |
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| 10:57.42 | cbreak | there are alternatives |
| 10:57.52 | cbreak | on os x, there's "Preview". Or there's ghostscript |
| 10:58.00 | nevcairiel | foxit was the only one i knew |
| 10:58.02 | nevcairiel | for windows |
| 10:58.07 | Zhinjio | btw, just for the record, y'all are good folk. remind me to renew my subscription. |
| 11:02.17 | Cairenn | <3 |
| 11:02.44 | zenzelezz | <3 you too |
| 11:03.03 | mikma | <3 me |
| 11:04.12 | krka | we have to subscribe? i missed that! |
| 11:05.38 | Zhinjio | I subscribe to Cairenn's attention span. |
| 11:05.48 | Cairenn | *giggle* |
| 11:06.02 | Torhal | Zhinjio: Then you're constantly paying... |
| 11:06.04 | Torhal | ducks. |
| 11:06.05 | Zhinjio | lo, for I am a paying customer! |
| 11:06.08 | Zhinjio | indeed. |
| 11:06.22 | Zhinjio | woe be unto me if I skip a payment. |
| 11:06.25 | Cairenn | smacks Torhal |
| 11:06.35 | Zhinjio | my addons flounder in unapproved limbo! |
| 11:06.57 | Zhinjio | hugs Cairenn. |
| 11:07.06 | Cairenn | hugs Zhinjio |
| 11:07.25 | Zhinjio | see, now if I skip a payment? All the hugs just GO AWAY. |
| 11:07.27 | Zhinjio | heh |
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| 11:07.43 | Zhinjio | its all fun and games until someone skips a payment. |
| 11:08.25 | Zhinjio | then suddenly it gets all "I'll have to see when I can fit you into my schedule" and "it appears I'll be curling my hair that day" and such |
| 11:08.47 | Zhinjio | kids. |
| 11:08.49 | Zhinjio | Really. |
| 11:14.20 | Cairenn | night guys |
| 11:14.23 | Cairenn | huggles everyone |
| 11:23.58 | Arrowmaster | reading over the last 2 hours of wowace and when it broke down into 'omg i can use google and find your personal info' reminded me of how lucky orionshock is (and hes not even in here for me to ping) |
| 11:25.17 | Wobin | http://aht.seriouseats.com/archives/2009/10/seven-layer-windows-7-whopper-burger-king-japan.html |
| 11:25.19 | Wobin | O.O |
| 11:26.08 | nevcairiel | wtf |
| 11:26.25 | Arrowmaster | old |
| 11:33.33 | Wobin | Arrowmaster, not -that- old, W7 was only just released =P |
| 11:33.50 | Arrowmaster | its old as far as the internet is concerned |
| 11:33.57 | Wobin | well so's your mom |
| 11:34.11 | Arrowmaster | yeah i think she turned 50 this year |
| 11:34.23 | Wobin | that's about 450 in internet years, right? |
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| 11:46.34 | Wobin | omg |
| 11:46.37 | Wobin | spirit BEAR |
| 11:56.05 | Fisker | ~kiss Wobin |
| 11:56.06 | purl | ACTION forces Wobin to give qwesto a big kiss on the ear |
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| 12:24.37 | batrick | someone recommend a good pocket size headset under 50$ |
| 12:26.26 | Wobin | Tin can and some string? |
| 12:26.51 | zenzelezz | batrick: I'd recommend you get a good, pocket-size headset for less than $50 |
| 12:30.48 | batrick | are you making fun of where I put my dollar sign? |
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| 12:32.16 | haste | Gnarfoz: sup with the non-default colors? :p |
| 12:32.36 | haste | Gnarfoz: and general changes to the fontish |
| 12:32.57 | Gnarfoz | haste: see the pull request, I'm not sure if I did the git stuff right |
| 12:33.11 | Gnarfoz | haste: the stuff I intended for you to pull, if you wish, is in the "fixes" branch |
| 12:33.17 | haste | Gnarfoz: well, you changed the colors and font |
| 12:33.20 | Gnarfoz | that doesn't contain my changes to color + fonts |
| 12:33.38 | Gnarfoz | at least... it's not supposed to |
| 12:33.59 | haste | you asked me to pull master so :p |
| 12:34.24 | Gnarfoz | I did? I guess I was right about "didn't do it right" (even though it's a github thing I did wrong, then) |
| 12:34.48 | Gnarfoz | haste: http://github.com/Gnarfoz/Fane/tree/fixes then |
| 12:35.38 | haste | seems okey |
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| 12:37.44 | Gnarfoz | urgh, 24h disconnect |
| 12:37.51 | haste | Gnarfoz: merged |
| 12:38.07 | Gnarfoz | haste: \o/ |
| 12:40.26 | Fisker | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:41.38 | haste | velter Fisker. |
| 12:43.06 | batrick | nice irc client fisker |
| 12:43.23 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QAvkFS_cgk <-this is lulz btw |
| 12:43.34 | Fisker | thanks batrick |
| 12:48.17 | zenzelezz | damnit Windows 7, why did you default to my TV and not my primary monitor x.x |
| 12:48.47 | Fisker | your mother zenzelezz |
| 12:48.58 | zenzelezz | wouldn't surprise me, she's not very good with computers |
| 12:49.30 | nevcairiel | btw, wtf was up thursday that no tv series aired? some US holiday again? |
| 12:50.01 | zenzelezz | they were all upgrading to Win7 |
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| 12:59.59 | Fisker | n00bs |
| 13:00.04 | Fisker | i would've upgraded months ago |
| 13:01.21 | Cide | I upgraded months ago |
| 13:04.48 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 13:05.46 | zenzelezz | I'm not a student, MSDN member or part of anything else that could get it legally for cheap/free long ago, so I just waited |
| 13:09.17 | Fisker | You're part of europe fool |
| 13:09.41 | zenzelezz | didn't realise Europe had a special deal |
| 13:09.49 | Fisker | fail |
| 13:10.05 | Fisker | my copy of professional (retail, full version) was 800dkk |
| 13:10.18 | Cide | MSDNAA ftw |
| 13:10.27 | Fisker | and i think home premium was half that |
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| 13:11.17 | nevcairiel | i have like 10 win7 licenses out of MSDNAA |
| 13:11.33 | nevcairiel | they unlocked the chinese version for us, moar keys |
| 13:11.36 | Stanzilla | give me one ultimate :o |
| 13:11.40 | nevcairiel | don't ask me why :P |
| 13:14.29 | Fisker | they'll like never figure that out Stanzilla! |
| 13:16.41 | nevcairiel | man that guy must be halluscinating or something :P |
| 13:17.02 | Cide | nevcairiel: do you get keys from MSDNAA? |
| 13:17.13 | Cide | I only got the secure downloader, can't seem to find a key |
| 13:17.15 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 13:17.23 | nevcairiel | i get a downloader for the iso and a key on the web page |
| 13:17.36 | Cide | or maybe what I first thought was the key actually is the key |
| 13:17.45 | Cide | only it's not compatible with RC |
| 13:17.51 | Cide | didn't think of that |
| 13:18.43 | nevcairiel | although i'm like using none of my licenses right now |
| 13:19.28 | Cide | they haven't released ultimate right? |
| 13:19.46 | nevcairiel | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:20.53 | Cide | I only have access to professional in any case |
| 13:21.02 | Cide | which sucks because you can't do ultimate rc -> professional rtm |
| 13:21.08 | nevcairiel | indeed, thats what MSDNAA always gives you |
| 13:21.20 | nevcairiel | meh i don't like in-place upgrading anyway |
| 13:21.27 | Cide | why not? |
| 13:21.29 | nevcairiel | too many bad memories from the old days |
| 13:21.38 | Cide | meh, get with the times |
| 13:22.29 | nevcairiel | I did, and went to linux =P |
| 13:22.36 | Cide | I'm mostly concerned about having to reinstall shit that puts crap in the registry |
| 13:22.40 | Cide | linux is very 1980 |
| 13:24.07 | Cide | I have yet to find a proper user interface for *nix |
| 13:24.31 | Cide | or should I say graphical user interface |
| 13:24.39 | nevcairiel | I just use Xfce4, plain and simple, i sometimes miss the new taskbar of win7, but only sometimes |
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| 13:38.09 | Arrowmaster | xfce or lxde |
| 13:38.56 | zenzelezz | lxde? |
| 13:39.23 | foxlit | xkdc? |
| 13:39.47 | nevcairiel | lxde is another new lightweight linux desktop, but i don't like it personally |
| 13:43.07 | Wobin | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/sports/23marathon.html?_r=4&em=&pagewanted=all |
| 13:43.19 | Wobin | hehe Hardcore raiders vs Casuals =P |
| 13:43.38 | foxlit | boo, hiss, log-in gated link. |
| 13:44.47 | Wobin | ? |
| 13:44.48 | Wobin | not for me |
| 13:45.00 | Wobin | hehe I have noscript running =P |
| 13:45.34 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: im still using gnome right now but ive been meaning to compare xfce and lxde in VMs, im used to blackbox so lxde's openbox appeals to me |
| 13:45.37 | foxlit | You're also probably in usland. |
| 13:45.46 | Wobin | me? no |
| 13:45.49 | Wobin | Australia |
| 13:46.04 | foxlit | Disabling javascript doesn't affect it, anyway. |
| 13:46.15 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster: xfce looks similar enough to gnome for a mooth transition ;) |
| 13:46.19 | Wobin | weird, I had no issues |
| 13:46.21 | nevcairiel | smooth* |
| 13:46.34 | Wobin | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/23/sports/23marathon.html?_r=3&em=&pagewanted=all |
| 13:46.43 | Wobin | maybe the r= makes a difference =P |
| 13:46.46 | Arrowmaster | i tried installing it and didnt like how it created a bunch of dirs in my home dir, whats up with that? |
| 13:46.59 | foxlit | Wobin: that works, apparently. |
| 13:47.03 | Wobin | weird |
| 13:47.08 | zenzelezz | hates Desktop |
| 13:47.10 | nevcairiel | it creates a "Desktop" dir :p |
| 13:47.17 | Wobin | but it's now r=4 in the url right? |
| 13:47.19 | nevcairiel | more i didnt see |
| 13:47.28 | Arrowmaster | no it created a ton of dirs |
| 13:47.35 | zenzelezz | Arrowmaster: hidden? |
| 13:47.38 | foxlit | Yeah, it seems to redirect to the original link. |
| 13:47.40 | Arrowmaster | Public, Music, Photos, etc |
| 13:47.46 | zenzelezz | only created Desktop for me |
| 13:47.47 | nevcairiel | i didt get those |
| 13:47.52 | foxlit | What it probably does at the same time is set some cookies. |
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| 13:48.16 | Wobin | Antiarc, Too many big words! |
| 13:48.25 | Wobin | See! |
| 13:48.38 | nevcairiel | haha |
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| 13:51.00 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel, zenzelezz: i think its because xdg-user-dirs is a recommended dependance of thunar, xfce4-utils, and xfdesktop4 and got automatically installed when i installed xfce4 |
| 13:53.16 | nevcairiel | sounds like a fail distro |
| 13:54.32 | Arrowmaster | no its debian, but i did manually install xfce instead of using it as the DE to use at system install |
| 13:55.18 | nevcairiel | i'm not a big fan of apt :P |
| 13:57.22 | Industrial | anyone else got a really slow luaforge.net? |
| 13:58.48 | Fisker | why so owned zenzelezz ? |
| 13:59.20 | zenzelezz | Fisker: because I don't like loans |
| 14:01.41 | Wobin | look out Antiarc, he'll be inventing a "Rounded object to assist movement" soon |
| 14:01.44 | Wobin | and it'll be AMAZING |
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| 14:04.30 | Antiarc | I am literally flabbergasted that a) he has invented a crude CDN setup, b) he thinks it's bittorrent, and c) he is so jealous of it that he wants an NDA to talk about it. |
| 14:04.37 | Antiarc | and d) that he thinks that myspace/facebook are in ANY way relevant. |
| 14:05.15 | Antiarc | I am laughing my head off. |
| 14:05.17 | Antiarc | You have no idea. |
| 14:05.28 | Wobin | starts taking photos of his addons looking over his sholder at the camera in preparation |
| 14:05.38 | Wobin | *shoulder |
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| 14:09.15 | Industrial | Antiarc: what what? what is this about |
| 14:09.31 | Antiarc | Industrial: Epic conversation in #wowace |
| 14:09.34 | Wobin | Industrial, the last 4 hours on wowace |
| 14:09.35 | Arrowmaster | idiot thats been trolling wowace for the past 6 hours |
| 14:09.35 | Antiarc | Been going on for like 14 hours now |
| 14:09.50 | Industrial | pf lol, OR you can do useful things :P |
| 14:09.54 | Industrial | 14 hours.. |
| 14:10.09 | Wobin | rofl |
| 14:10.13 | Antiarc | This guy is convinced he is going to revolutionize addon distribution by using a bittorrentish system (that uses FTP servers) to distribute addons through Facebook, if only Curse will give him free access to all the addons they have on their servers. |
| 14:10.15 | Wobin | I think he's realised his stumbling block =P |
| 14:10.32 | Antiarc | Wobin: He'll forget in a half hour and think that we all thought his idea was awesome |
| 14:10.42 | nevcairiel | hahaha |
| 14:10.47 | nevcairiel | that guy is just funny |
| 14:11.05 | Antiarc | I honestly can't tell if he's a troll or just incredibly stupid |
| 14:11.18 | nevcairiel | alot of both, probably |
| 14:11.19 | zenzelezz | did anyone suggest to him a setup that just uses e-mail? |
| 14:11.28 | zenzelezz | I'm sure base64-encoding them would be no hindrance |
| 14:11.31 | Arrowmaster | i think i did |
| 14:11.40 | Industrial | lets see :p |
| 14:11.40 | Wobin | he was threatening to post images of krka's wife on porn sites earlier |
| 14:11.49 | Wobin | because we did a ID trackdown on him and found him |
| 14:12.18 | Antiarc | He wants people to download all the addons on his FTP server in one big batch |
| 14:12.22 | Antiarc | Like, the whole bundle. |
| 14:12.24 | Antiarc | All the addons. |
| 14:12.33 | Wobin | then distribute them to everyone else |
| 14:12.35 | Wobin | I guess |
| 14:12.42 | Antiarc | Everyone is Curse.com! |
| 14:14.31 | krka | absurd... if anyone is going to post my wife on porn sites, it's gonna be me! |
| 14:21.00 | nevcairiel | hahaha did he really jump on the email thing now ? :P |
| 14:21.49 | Antiarc | Yes. |
| 14:21.56 | Antiarc | The guy is a sixth degree tardbelt. |
| 14:23.10 | Antiarc | OH NOES |
| 14:23.14 | Antiarc | HE IS TEH RUININZ CURSES |
| 14:23.18 | Wobin | I think he jumped a few grades while being tested |
| 14:23.26 | Antiarc | What, backwards? |
| 14:23.51 | Wobin | yeah =\ |
| 14:24.56 | Industrial | apparently they dont take kindly to 'whose dick do I have to' jokes around #google these days :( |
| 14:26.03 | Beladona | this dude doesn't evne have a "business plan" for his idea |
| 14:26.17 | Beladona | "its gonna be better than everything!" |
| 14:27.08 | Arrowmaster | he has no concept of copyright law |
| 14:27.41 | mikma | beladona: http://wowcompares.com/32210505/AddOns/Blizzard_Calendar/Blizzard_CalendarTemplates.xml <- lawl :) |
| 14:28.01 | Beladona | well, we know what will happen if he just grabs copies of addons and distributes them |
| 14:28.03 | Industrial | lol nice |
| 14:28.28 | Beladona | mikma: I am working on upgrading the site, so bear with me |
| 14:29.06 | Beladona | the svn binary on the server is horribly outdated, so I am looking for a better system, or a better host |
| 14:29.08 | Beladona | potentially git |
| 14:29.41 | mikma | beladona: lol, bear, unleash the tekkub |
| 14:29.43 | Beladona | its so old it doesn't have xml output, which is what I used in the older version of the site |
| 14:29.55 | Industrial | Beladona: github.com? guess you could host your own cgit :p |
| 14:30.56 | Industrial | http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source |
| 14:30.56 | Beladona | the problem is getting an output that is fairly verbose that I can render on the web |
| 14:30.56 | nevcairiel | git as a diff'ing backend would be nice |
| 14:31.41 | Beladona | does github have a verbose output for diffs, file contents, etc.? |
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| 14:32.22 | Beladona | if not I would need to clone it anyway and keep it local |
| 14:34.52 | Beladona | I guess what I could do is host the source on github, and just have the index listing at wowcompares. Clicking an entry would take you to github |
| 14:35.06 | Beladona | for the specified revision |
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| 14:38.52 | mikma | scytheblade1: L4D2 demo download is enabled :) |
| 14:44.38 | Cide | . Instead of a hard cap on total damage done, the game now caps the total damage done at a value equal to the damage the spell would do if it hit 10 targets. In other words, if a spell does 1000 damage to each target, it would hit up to 10 targets for 1000 each, but with more than 10 targets, each target would take 1000 damage divided by the number of targets. 20 targets would be hit for 500 damage each in that example. |
| 14:44.40 | Cide | epic fail |
| 14:45.05 | Adys | anyone on windows atm? |
| 14:45.08 | Cide | < |
| 14:45.25 | nevcairiel | isnt that just a re-wording of the previous limit Cide? |
| 14:45.31 | nevcairiel | except it scales |
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| 14:45.35 | Adys | Cide: can you test a quick exe for me please |
| 14:45.36 | zenzelezz | yay, peppy! |
| 14:45.40 | Cide | nevcairiel: read the math |
| 14:45.56 | Lopeppeppy | yay for peppy |
| 14:46.02 | Cide | each target takes 1000 damage divided by the number of targets. 20 targets would be hit for 1000/20 = 500 ??? damage each |
| 14:46.07 | Adys | Cide: http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/pc.exe - run it on command line, pastey the output (it should be some debug help) |
| 14:46.14 | foxlit | Cide: 10*1000 = 20*500 |
| 14:46.19 | Adys | ps its not a keylogger |
| 14:46.19 | Cide | (it should be "each target takes 10000 damage divided by the number of targets) |
| 14:46.23 | Cide | I'm aware of the math, foxlit |
| 14:46.29 | Cide | but it's improperly worded |
| 14:46.38 | Cide | it should be damage*10 divided by the number of targets |
| 14:46.38 | nevcairiel | so they forgot a 0 |
| 14:46.43 | nevcairiel | way to make us confused |
| 14:47.28 | Cide | Adys: missing flux.dll |
| 14:47.30 | nevcairiel | my brain is usually smart enough to fix those mistakes when reading over it |
| 14:47.38 | Adys | Cide: oh sorry, sec |
| 14:48.43 | Adys | uploading |
| 14:49.17 | Adys | Cide: http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/release.zip - contains a lot of dlls, theres pc.exe in it too |
| 14:50.10 | Cide | the procedure entry point ??Y_FcString@@QAEAAV0@ABV0@@Z could not be located in the dynamic link library flux.dll. |
| 14:50.20 | Adys | is that all the output? |
| 14:50.49 | Cide | it's the error message |
| 14:50.59 | Cide | and then I get the help message for Pog Compiler |
| 14:51.08 | Adys | yeah dpaste it all please |
| 14:51.16 | Cide | followed by Error: Cannot load compiler runtime |
| 14:51.43 | Adys | need the full message |
| 14:51.44 | Cide | Adys: http://pastey.net/127061 |
| 14:51.47 | Adys | i got some memory corruption here |
| 14:51.52 | Adys | tyvm |
| 14:52.21 | Cide | np |
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| 15:01.58 | batrick | Doctors' rage is to WebMD patients suggesting diagnoses as Computer Scientists' rage is to laymen talking about 64 bit / 32 bit differences. |
| 15:02.45 | batrick | omg |
| 15:02.49 | batrick | cnn has a new site design |
| 15:02.56 | Lopeppeppy | Drove my doctors nuts that I knew what was wrong with my hand when I went in to see them. :) |
| 15:04.34 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: so I've been told |
| 15:05.56 | Adys | Cide: you still have that folder? |
| 15:06.07 | Adys | there is a mappack.exe inside |
| 15:06.16 | Adys | can you do the same and pastey me the entire output? |
| 15:11.40 | Cide | sec |
| 15:12.05 | Cide | it produces no output besides the error message |
| 15:12.20 | Cide | The procedure entry point ReadString@FCtextFile bla bla could not be located in the dynamic link library flux.dll. |
| 15:12.24 | Cide | no additional output |
| 15:14.45 | nevcairiel | Anyone else noticed a very weird behaviour with the Launcher of the PTR client in Wine after the last ptr patch? |
| 15:14.58 | nevcairiel | It resets my directory to weird permissions all the time |
| 15:21.38 | Adys | nevcairiel: yep |
| 15:21.52 | Adys | not only the last one |
| 15:21.55 | Adys | the one before too |
| 15:22.02 | nevcairiel | happend only since the launcher update |
| 15:22.06 | nevcairiel | before the patch, actually |
| 15:22.10 | Adys | ya |
| 15:22.41 | nevcairiel | wonder wtf they broke, but meh, just starting wow directly now |
| 15:28.19 | Lopeppeppy | I haven't been able to use my launcher for several patchers, I just go off wow.exe |
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| 15:41.49 | Beladona | anyone else testing the new xbox update? |
| 15:47.51 | foxlit | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw32591.jpg << so nameplates know where their owner is? |
| 15:52.28 | Fisker | captures foxlit in a a box |
| 15:52.39 | foxlit | demands air holes. |
| 15:52.40 | Fisker | consoles are the cancer killing gaming Beladona |
| 15:52.48 | Fisker | and social networking is even worse |
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| 15:53.25 | Fisker | makes holes in the box using those big heavy duty thingies used to destroy pavement |
| 15:53.59 | Dagmar | You mean a *jackhammer*? |
| 15:54.31 | Fisker | yeah! |
| 15:54.38 | Fisker | infact lets make a real jackhammer |
| 15:55.02 | Fisker | http://www.rps.net/QS/GUNS/jackhammer.jpg <-there |
| 15:55.08 | Fisker | Want holes in the box foxlit ? |
| 15:55.20 | Gnarfoz | put your dick in the box... open the box? |
| 15:55.20 | Gnarfoz | :\ |
| 15:55.27 | Fisker | oh great idea Gnarfoz |
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| 15:59.21 | Fisker | rage :( |
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| 16:03.12 | Liquidora6 | Why does the following line give me an error? > local boss, players = strsplit(":", select(2, ...)) < Error: bad argument #3 to 'strsplit' (number expected, got string) |
| 16:03.38 | ScytheBlade1 | select (..., 2) |
| 16:03.39 | ScytheBlade1 | try that |
| 16:03.40 | Liquidora6 | When I print select(2, ...) it's just a string so I don't understand why it thinks there's a 3rd argument |
| 16:03.50 | ScytheBlade1 | err, sec |
| 16:03.54 | ScytheBlade1 | !api select |
| 16:03.55 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'select' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-select |
| 16:04.09 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah ignore me |
| 16:04.13 | Cide | it's (n, ...) |
| 16:04.46 | Liquidora6 | oh shizle, select returns all args AFTER the n? |
| 16:04.56 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 16:04.56 | Hirsute | Correct |
| 16:05.29 | Liquidora6 | Okay how do I select the prober arg then? |
| 16:05.34 | Hirsute | select allows you to move to a position in the list of arguments, returns function as normal after that. |
| 16:06.15 | ScytheBlade1 | local whatever = select(2, ...) |
| 16:06.17 | ScytheBlade1 | generally works |
| 16:06.24 | Hirsute | Well, you could select the one you want, and only capture the first return. |
| 16:06.29 | Hirsute | As ScytheBlade1 just showed |
| 16:06.42 | Liquidora6 | Oh you need to specify how many args you want |
| 16:06.43 | ScytheBlade1 | ~Hirsute++ |
| 16:06.47 | Liquidora6 | I get it |
| 16:07.03 | Cide | he totally didn't deserve that |
| 16:07.17 | ScytheBlade1 | He did for timing! |
| 16:07.21 | Hirsute | Cide: I generally don't |
| 16:07.26 | Hirsute | Heh |
| 16:07.37 | Cide | now go fill out my survey |
| 16:07.53 | Liquidora6 | select(3, ...) == "RAID" is true why? (there's 5 args in ...) |
| 16:08.53 | Hirsute | Because you're only capturing the 3rd argument there, and only testing that one. |
| 16:09.23 | Hirsute | If you did foo,bar,baz = select(3,...); if foo == "RAID" <stuff> it would work the same way |
| 16:09.29 | Liquidora6 | Okay super |
| 16:09.42 | Hirsute | Then you'd also have the 4th and 5th returns in bar and baz, if you needed them. |
| 16:11.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Because == operates on a single variable, not multiple |
| 16:12.10 | Liquidora6 | Phew this saved my day totally. Just couldn't figure out why my huge bunch of code couldn't work just because of that annoying mistake |
| 16:13.20 | Hirsute | contemplates spending some time updating his addon over his upcoming break... |
| 16:14.32 | Hirsute | I'd have to learn how to make interfaces to really make people interested in using it though. Slash commands are apparently very passé |
| 16:14.46 | Cide | and so are dropdowns |
| 16:14.54 | Cide | NEVER USE DROPDOWNS I HATE THEM SO MUCH IANSFIASFNIASFINSA |
| 16:15.23 | Hirsute | I'd be looking to write an interface to put in Blizz's addon configuration section |
| 16:15.52 | ScytheBlade1 | sicks LibWaterfall on Cide |
| 16:15.57 | ScytheBlade1 | *sics |
| 16:22.09 | Hirsute | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.21 | Hirsute | "Retrieving Character List" |
| 16:22.30 | Hirsute | There we go. |
| 16:29.10 | Fisker | slaps ScytheBlade1 around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:29.32 | ScytheBlade1 | ~whalenuke Fisker |
| 16:29.33 | purl | ACTION dons her radiation cloak and tinted glasses while a highly intelligent whale named Ray precipitates critical mass for uncontrolled nuclear fission around Fisker with his mind powers. |
| 16:29.42 | Fisker | ow |
| 16:29.49 | Fisker | jerk |
| 16:29.53 | ScytheBlade1 | sry |
| 16:29.54 | ScytheBlade1 | =[ |
| 16:29.56 | Cide | http://www.cleverbot.com/ |
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| 16:32.03 | Cide | > You're not making any sense. Are you not prepared? |
| 16:32.05 | Cide | I'm sorry, but people don't malfunction. I think you're malfunctioning. |
| 16:36.12 | Cide | Ravens have stingers? I thought they were birds... Now that I know they're wasps, I'm going to have to rethink everything... |
| 16:36.35 | Lopeppeppy | smart bugs, they are, I guess, to steal those feathers to wear. |
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| 16:52.45 | ScytheBlade1 | hm |
| 16:52.51 | ScytheBlade1 | armory loading character profiles for anyone? |
| 16:54.49 | ScytheBlade1 | It refuses to pull up my mage and druid :/ |
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| 17:07.24 | Fisker | i pulled your mage and druid |
| 17:12.31 | kd3 | ok. that was full of fail |
| 17:12.45 | kd3 | so the login screen's not displaying 3d, but as soon as I get to character select, it is? |
| 17:12.48 | kd3 | wtfs |
| 17:13.13 | Fisker | kd3 |
| 17:13.15 | Fisker | l2esc |
| 17:14.05 | Fisker | had hoped it was an option to change or disable it though :( |
| 17:14.47 | Fisker | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:14.51 | ScytheBlade1 | "Pre-load complete; unreleased" |
| 17:14.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Jerks |
| 17:15.10 | Fisker | old |
| 17:15.14 | Fisker | l4d2 demo or borderlands? |
| 17:15.23 | ScytheBlade1 | l4d2 demo |
| 17:15.25 | Fisker | jerk |
| 17:15.31 | mikma | :D |
| 17:15.36 | ScytheBlade1 | What I really want is for them to push the server out |
| 17:15.38 | mikma | 4 more days |
| 17:15.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I already have a private l4d server, what I want is to setup my l4d2 server |
| 17:16.00 | Fisker | yeah you and your warez buddies would like that wouldn't they? |
| 17:16.09 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, after all |
| 17:16.13 | ScytheBlade1 | sv_steamgroup_exclusive 1 |
| 17:16.18 | ScytheBlade1 | == warez! |
| 17:16.27 | ScytheBlade1 | (owait) |
| 17:16.37 | Fisker | it takes a man to admit when he's wrong ScytheBlade1 |
| 17:16.39 | mikma | scytheblade1: and you have the annoying modpack on right? |
| 17:16.43 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 17:16.49 | foxlit | He said "private server"! Get your pitchforks. Gather the mob. |
| 17:16.52 | ScytheBlade1 | vanilla server so help me |
| 17:16.56 | Fisker | yep foxlit |
| 17:17.12 | Fisker | you are the cancer that's killing the cancer that's killing l4d matchmaking |
| 17:17.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I loves my steamgroup exclusive server |
| 17:17.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Everyone pings ~80 to it |
| 17:17.50 | ScytheBlade1 | One guy hovers around 8ms |
| 17:17.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I hate him for it |
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| 17:18.03 | Fisker | faekping |
| 17:18.13 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 17:18.14 | Fisker | IT'S A FAAAAAAAAAKEE |
| 17:18.31 | Fisker | ScytheBlade1 |
| 17:18.31 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qKcJF4fOPs |
| 17:19.04 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:19.11 | nevcairiel | kd3: i thought my wine broke again when i saw that :P |
| 17:19.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Only you, Fisker, would be able to pull that up that quickly |
| 17:19.55 | Fisker | I sometimes use it on persistent idiots on the forums |
| 17:19.56 | Fisker | :P |
| 17:20.08 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:20.19 | Fisker | "Zomg it's sent from noreply@blizzard.com you n00b" |
| 17:20.36 | ScytheBlade1 | sends an email from noreply@fiskersmom.com |
| 17:20.38 | nevcairiel | speaking of those, i get so many account-review fake mails |
| 17:20.49 | kd3 | "would you like me to fake an email from the president?" |
| 17:20.51 | Fisker | reminds me |
| 17:20.52 | nevcairiel | its really getting more every day |
| 17:20.59 | Fisker | Someone had got hacked when merged to battle.net |
| 17:21.15 | Fisker | So he had gotten a fake account review mail (probably an elaborate plan of the keylogging) |
| 17:21.18 | nevcairiel | a battle.net phishing site, thats a good one :P |
| 17:21.22 | Fisker | He kept claiming that only Blizzard had his email |
| 17:21.29 | Fisker | Because he had just only created it |
| 17:21.45 | Fisker | Apparently he could not understand when logging on to battle.net a keylogger obviously has his email |
| 17:21.55 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 17:21.56 | ScytheBlade1 | fail |
| 17:22.07 | foxlit | nevcairiel: bad choice of email account? |
| 17:22.45 | ScytheBlade1 | and killing floor done downloading |
| 17:22.47 | ScytheBlade1 | yay free weekend |
| 17:24.55 | nevcairiel | foxlit: well probably scanned from the .lua files where i have it in the copyright header of each :P |
| 17:25.36 | foxlit | Hm, I wonder if they target those specifically. |
| 17:25.42 | foxlit | has yet to get one. |
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| 17:26.56 | ScytheBlade1 | should run a wowuidev l4d server |
| 17:27.24 | nevcairiel | anyone running chromium on linux? is it stable to use? |
| 17:27.45 | kd3 | stable enough. there's a prepackaged version for fedora that I've been using |
| 17:32.51 | foxlit | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/ << lolphp? |
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| 17:33.20 | foxlit | [Or is it just my shard that's broken?] |
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| 17:33.40 | Fisker | i decrypted your mysterious codeword |
| 17:33.51 | Fisker | shard = private server |
| 17:35.07 | ScytheBlade1 | and done |
| 17:35.27 | ScytheBlade1 | keke |
| 17:35.39 | ScytheBlade1 | fisker should start l4d and see if he sees a(nother) server! |
| 17:35.46 | mikma | scytheblade1: are you "scythe" ? :D |
| 17:36.00 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 17:36.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Sbo |
| 17:36.18 | ScytheBlade1 | http://steamcommunity.com/groups/wowuidev |
| 17:37.48 | Fisker | ScytheBlade1 doesn't care about my people |
| 17:38.13 | mikma | black? |
| 17:38.19 | zenzelezz | Danes |
| 17:38.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Keep raging, Fisker |
| 17:38.39 | Lopeppeppy | why must it be so cold in here? |
| 17:39.01 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: I turned the heat down so you'd want to come here and share my blanket |
| 17:42.35 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: sucker, I've got an electric blanket |
| 17:42.38 | ScytheBlade1 | wins by default |
| 17:42.55 | zenzelezz | throws a bucket of water on ScytheBlade1's blanket |
| 17:43.01 | ScytheBlade1 | It's washable |
| 17:43.13 | zenzelezz | it needs to be after you've used it |
| 17:43.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ......................... |
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| 17:44.39 | zenzelezz | bleh, forgot to copy savegames from the C: partition before installing Windows 7... but can't be bothered to insert the old drive in the computer again to copy them |
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| 17:51.09 | Fisker | do it zenzelezz :( |
| 17:51.11 | Fisker | i had the same idea |
| 17:51.16 | Fisker | and now my old hdd is fried |
| 17:51.17 | Lopeppeppy | starting over is good for the soul |
| 17:51.44 | zenzelezz | I look back fondly at the days when games saved their savegames in their own install directory |
| 17:51.56 | zenzelezz | Fisker: good point |
| 17:56.00 | Legorol | zenzelezz: you mean like WoW? |
| 17:56.04 | Legorol | it still saves in its own dir ;) |
| 17:56.12 | Legorol | or tries to anyway |
| 17:56.17 | zenzelezz | Legorol: yup, that was one of only two or three games I didn't have to reinstall |
| 17:56.24 | Fisker | i'd actually prefer they're put in appdata |
| 17:56.35 | Legorol | so would i, but hey, we know blizz are no good at coding ;) |
| 17:56.54 | zenzelezz | Fisker: I can see it being useful if you have multiple users of the computer, but as I don't... I prefer self-contained games |
| 17:56.57 | Fisker | I mean generally |
| 17:57.08 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, new anti-gold-buying sticky on general again |
| 17:57.19 | Fisker | it's useful because they will transfer in windows upgrades and usermigrations zenzelezz |
| 17:57.46 | zenzelezz | Windows upgrades? Like installing Win 7 on top of XP? |
| 17:57.54 | Tuller | wow is just stuck on my media drive :P |
| 17:58.09 | Fisker | not windows upgrade with xp |
| 17:58.10 | zenzelezz | I've only done clean installs of OSes since Win98 |
| 17:58.11 | Fisker | since you can't there |
| 17:58.27 | Fisker | same |
| 17:58.27 | zenzelezz | Vista, whatever, was just an example |
| 17:58.35 | Fisker | but you can also backup your user |
| 17:58.41 | Fisker | and migrate it to a clean install of a new OS |
| 17:58.49 | Fisker | atleast as long as it's the same or better os |
| 17:58.55 | Fisker | don't know if you can downgrade |
| 18:02.02 | Tuller | hurray for steam groups |
| 18:07.17 | Bruners | guys, i need a good place to have leader, assistant and master looter ikons so that they arent hidden by buffs |
| 18:10.19 | foxlit | On the portrait |
| 18:10.39 | Bruners | i dont have portraits, but think i found a good spot |
| 18:16.57 | ScytheBlade1 | first three people to send me an email address gets a google wave invite* |
| 18:17.03 | ScytheBlade1 | (*: they take a few days to send) |
| 18:19.15 | *** part/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@cpe-67-246-40-12.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 18:22.06 | ScytheBlade1 | no one, eh |
| 18:25.36 | zenzelezz | I still don't remember what Wave is all about |
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| 18:25.55 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 18:26.30 | ScytheBlade1 | google's attempt to replace IM, email, various webpages, and more |
| 18:28.45 | olafski | finally |
| 18:28.47 | zenzelezz | web based? |
| 18:28.48 | olafski | someone else who thinks that way zenzelezz :P |
| 18:29.13 | ScytheBlade1 | currently |
| 18:29.23 | *** join/#wowuidev DWSR (n=doingwha@unaffiliated/dwsr) |
| 18:29.25 | ScytheBlade1 | open protocol, designed to be federated |
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| 18:29.43 | zenzelezz | suppose it could be interesting to try |
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| 18:31.56 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 18:32.57 | zenzelezz | holds on to Lopeppeppy |
| 18:33.01 | zenzelezz | you stay here! |
| 18:34.23 | nevcairiel | man wtf |
| 18:34.29 | nevcairiel | i wanted to compile chromium myself |
| 18:34.34 | nevcairiel | and its *still* checking out the svn sources |
| 18:34.38 | Fisker | o |
| 18:34.39 | Fisker | w |
| 18:34.40 | Fisker | n |
| 18:34.41 | Fisker | e |
| 18:34.41 | Fisker | d |
| 18:34.54 | nevcairiel | they have millions of test cases in there |
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| 18:35.13 | Adys | Fisker: make yourself useful |
| 18:35.13 | Adys | Fisker: open http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/wine-9291/wine-9291.htm with internet explorer |
| 18:35.18 | Adys | click test and paste me output |
| 18:35.29 | Fisker | sounds like you think i use IE |
| 18:35.39 | Fisker | [object Object] |
| 18:35.40 | Adys | i think you use windows its bad enough |
| 18:35.43 | Adys | thanks |
| 18:36.26 | mikma | anyone knows the paths to the Interrogator Vishas sounds? :D |
| 18:37.19 | olafski | mikma: http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=3983#comments |
| 18:37.41 | mikma | ~olafski++ |
| 18:38.39 | Fisker | slaps mikma around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:38.54 | Fisker | actually you forgot about me |
| 18:39.27 | mikma | ~fisker |
| 18:39.28 | purl | methinks fisker is the #wowace channel troll. |
| 18:39.47 | olafski | just #wowace? |
| 18:40.52 | Fisker | i'm no troll |
| 18:41.12 | Adys | Fisker: what class/race did you play before bc anyway? |
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| 18:46.59 | Adys | Fisker: what class/race did you play before bc anyway? |
| 18:47.09 | Fisker | rogue |
| 18:47.15 | Fisker | undead of course |
| 18:49.59 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/wine-9291/wine-9291.htm |
| 18:50.01 | Adys | \o/ |
| 18:50.32 | NightHawkTheSane | grats? |
| 18:50.39 | NightHawkTheSane | you can make a green bar! |
| 18:50.48 | NightHawkTheSane | claps excitedly for Adys |
| 18:50.56 | Adys | Fap harder please |
| 18:51.06 | NightHawkTheSane | <3 |
| 18:51.33 | Fisker | omg u r rite |
| 18:51.40 | zenzelezz | Adys: was there an issue with the tag's style attribute or somesuch? |
| 18:51.47 | zenzelezz | in some browser |
| 18:52.06 | Cide | nah he just fails |
| 18:52.19 | Cide | I also don't get the if ( green ) test |
| 18:52.23 | NightHawkTheSane | he's been fucking with crazy browser quirks, iirc |
| 18:52.26 | Cide | if ( color ) test rather |
| 18:52.59 | Adys | wine's jscript doesn't remember new objects that are created with a function not present in the current file |
| 18:53.13 | Adys | http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9291 |
| 18:56.15 | Cide | amazingly bad |
| 18:57.54 | Adys | Cide: http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/red.png |
| 18:58.19 | Adys | 0[159e08]: file http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/wine-9291/wine-9291.htm, line 21: ReferenceError: green is not defined |
| 18:59.49 | zenzelezz | out of curiosity, why are you using IE in Wine? |
| 18:59.57 | Lopeppeppy | masochism |
| 19:00.01 | nevcairiel | its their fake wine |
| 19:00.09 | nevcairiel | its using a gecko engine, afaik |
| 19:00.17 | nevcairiel | eh |
| 19:00.20 | nevcairiel | fake ie in wine |
| 19:00.25 | nevcairiel | for providing the IE widgets to apps |
| 19:00.30 | nevcairiel | like the launcher uses |
| 19:00.43 | zenzelezz | aha |
| 19:00.51 | zenzelezz | that would be neat |
| 19:01.03 | nevcairiel | would be? its nothing new :) |
| 19:01.28 | zenzelezz | my original question should have made it obvious I'm not familiar with this :-p |
| 19:01.36 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 19:02.22 | nevcairiel | on another note, chromium is still not done checking out the sources |
| 19:02.36 | nevcairiel | i wonder how long it will compile after that o.O |
| 19:02.46 | zenzelezz | took me a while to check out XBMC's source... and really long to compile |
| 19:03.22 | nevcairiel | well compiling OOo takes 2 hours or so, i doubt anything would top that |
| 19:03.44 | zenzelezz | thankfully I've never compiled that myself |
| 19:03.53 | nevcairiel | i refused to install the binary package |
| 19:04.03 | zenzelezz | how come? |
| 19:04.22 | Lopeppeppy | mmm, geko boiled in wine... sounds like a roman dish |
| 19:04.27 | nevcairiel | i'm compiling everything else, why make an exception :P |
| 19:04.50 | nevcairiel | besides, rather spent some cpu cycles then download 4gb of binarys <.< |
| 19:04.52 | Cide | because it's stupid to compile it? |
| 19:05.07 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: oh, right, you're on Gentoo, aren't you? |
| 19:05.10 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 19:05.19 | zenzelezz | I thought everything just emerged from the shadows there somehow |
| 19:05.21 | Cide | surely it takes less than 2 hours to download 4 gb |
| 19:05.31 | nevcairiel | Cide: hm nah, not really |
| 19:05.34 | Cide | like 2 minutes |
| 19:05.48 | Cide | or 20 minutes |
| 19:06.08 | nevcairiel | about 4 hours for 4gb |
| 19:06.32 | Cide | not here! |
| 19:06.42 | nevcairiel | its not that big i think, though |
| 19:06.46 | nevcairiel | some deps i had to download anyway |
| 19:06.49 | nevcairiel | and resources |
| 19:06.50 | zenzelezz | would go faster if you capped your porn torrents |
| 19:07.36 | nevcairiel | but shh, i just feel better compiling myself :P |
| 19:07.59 | Lopeppeppy | kinky? |
| 19:08.01 | Adys | even I gave up on compiling chromium |
| 19:08.06 | Adys | even thought I will have to |
| 19:08.13 | zenzelezz | compiling on your own is fun until you forget to compile DMA mode or appropriate file system support into your kernel, or break your GTK+ |
| 19:08.19 | nevcairiel | i didn't even get to compiling yet! |
| 19:08.27 | Adys | neither did i |
| 19:08.27 | nevcairiel | I'm silly for doign a live version directly from svn |
| 19:08.32 | Adys | i didnt get past the dependencies |
| 19:08.36 | nevcairiel | rather then downloading a source tarball |
| 19:08.57 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: i would build my own kernel on every linux distro, fwiw |
| 19:09.07 | zenzelezz | I used to |
| 19:09.42 | nevcairiel | i wonder if the ebuild works properly and sets up the deps |
| 19:11.46 | nevcairiel | if it isnt at least done checking out the source soon, i'll get a binary pack! |
| 19:13.37 | Adys | nevcairiel: seriously I tried checking from svn |
| 19:13.50 | Adys | then i figured out that you can download the tarball, run bootstrap and svn up on it |
| 19:13.52 | nevcairiel | its at that for 90 minutes already |
| 19:14.08 | Adys | you still got half a hour at least to go |
| 19:14.35 | nevcairiel | its all those freaking tests |
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| 19:15.00 | nevcairiel | A /usr/portage/distfiles/svn-src/chromium/src/third_party/WebKit/LayoutTests/dom/xhtml/level2/html/HTMLTableCellElement29.xhtml ... zzzz |
| 19:15.16 | Adys | this is when you want svn co --without-tests |
| 19:17.59 | nevcairiel | screw this, canceld :P |
| 19:18.18 | Adys | ~svn-- |
| 19:18.24 | Adys | ~karma svn |
| 19:18.24 | purl | svn has karma of -7 |
| 19:18.27 | Adys | ~karma git |
| 19:18.27 | purl | git has karma of 6 |
| 19:18.32 | Adys | ~karma bzr |
| 19:18.32 | purl | bzr has karma of 1 |
| 19:18.33 | nevcairiel | it would've been done with git already! |
| 19:18.40 | nevcairiel | ~karma hg |
| 19:18.40 | purl | hg has neutral karma |
| 19:18.45 | Adys | rofl |
| 19:19.02 | Adys | ~karma subversion |
| 19:19.02 | purl | subversion has neutral karma |
| 19:19.10 | Tuller | mwahahaha |
| 19:19.27 | zenzelezz | ~karma rcs |
| 19:19.27 | purl | rcs has neutral karma |
| 19:19.31 | zenzelezz | ~karma cvs |
| 19:19.31 | purl | cvs has karma of -1 |
| 19:20.10 | Adys | ~karma zenzelezz |
| 19:20.10 | purl | zenzelezz has karma of 2 |
| 19:20.58 | nevcairiel | I wonder if they enabled the extension system in the linux chromium yet, last i heard it was still off .. |
| 19:20.59 | nevcairiel | trys |
| 19:21.14 | zenzelezz | catchs |
| 19:21.32 | Adys | nevcairiel: its enabled |
| 19:21.40 | Adys | since ages too |
| 19:21.47 | nevcairiel | i dunno when i last tried |
| 19:21.59 | Adys | a while back you had to --enable-extensions |
| 19:22.20 | nevcairiel | i just recently noticed we're at 4.0 already |
| 19:22.34 | Adys | since a while too |
| 19:22.34 | Adys | :P |
| 19:22.53 | nevcairiel | i don't actively follow chrome, i just check occasionally |
| 19:23.02 | Adys | WHY NOT |
| 19:23.02 | zenzelezz | are they hoping to catch up with the linux distro version numbers? |
| 19:23.26 | zenzelezz | actually, I suppose those haven't been "in sync" for a while now |
| 19:23.32 | Adys | zenzelezz: yeah, Fedora is too far ahead |
| 19:23.52 | zenzelezz | Slackware's even further, they're at 13 now |
| 19:24.07 | zenzelezz | (but Slackware skipped from 4 to 7 or something) |
| 19:25.21 | Adys | zenzelezz: Ubuntu skipped from 0 to 6 |
| 19:25.34 | zenzelezz | really? Heh |
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| 19:26.00 | nevcairiel | ubuntu uses year.month notation, probably came out with the first in 2006 :P |
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| 19:26.07 | Adys | yeah |
| 19:26.10 | zenzelezz | then again, Windows skipped from 3 to 95, and from 98 to 2000 |
| 19:26.11 | Adys | cheaters didnt come out in 2000 |
| 19:26.12 | nevcairiel | is 9.10 out yet, btw? |
| 19:26.17 | Adys | soon |
| 19:26.20 | Adys | afaik |
| 19:26.26 | Ginji|top | zenzelezz, you forgot ME |
| 19:26.35 | nevcairiel | i tested the beta on my laptop, seemed quite complete already |
| 19:26.36 | zenzelezz | Ginji|top: no, that was intentional |
| 19:26.45 | Adys | nevcairiel: meh |
| 19:26.45 | Ginji|top | And actually, win 2k wasn't for consumers |
| 19:27.01 | zenzelezz | Ginji|top: you do not seem to grasp the idea behind jokes |
| 19:27.01 | Cide | zenzelezz: and then back to 7! |
| 19:27.03 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: and from 2000 to 7, with some weird words in between :P |
| 19:27.08 | Adys | they fucked kde hard a little while back |
| 19:27.12 | Adys | like 4 days ago |
| 19:27.13 | Ginji|top | I just got here :P |
| 19:27.18 | nevcairiel | i'm not a kde user :P |
| 19:27.27 | nevcairiel | plus, i'm not an ubuntu user |
| 19:27.33 | nevcairiel | i just like to know whats out there |
| 19:27.34 | zenzelezz | Adys: what did they do to KDE? |
| 19:27.48 | Adys | fucked dependencies |
| 19:28.41 | Adys | kde-desktop-data was automatically uninstalled |
| 19:28.41 | Adys | couldnt login |
| 19:28.41 | Adys | and couldnt reinstall it |
| 19:28.41 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:28.45 | Adys | its stable |
| 19:28.55 | Adys | but lots of regressions every push |
| 19:29.43 | nevcairiel | chromium needs some nice interface for addon installs |
| 19:30.15 | Legorol | nevcairiel: what are you talking about, XP was the best windows to date |
| 19:30.25 | Legorol | i haven't had a chance to try 7 yet, it might be better |
| 19:30.35 | nevcairiel | XP is just out-dated now |
| 19:30.41 | Legorol | it's still very solid though |
| 19:30.42 | Legorol | for its age |
| 19:30.53 | Legorol | other windows versions didn't hold up like that |
| 19:31.00 | Legorol | and XP was the first one where i felt they got things more or less right |
| 19:31.15 | Legorol | anyway, XP > 2000 > Vista |
| 19:31.29 | Legorol | 95 wasn't bad either way back |
| 19:31.40 | Legorol | 98 and ME sucked |
| 19:31.53 | zenzelezz | Insert the floppy marked "Windows 95 Install (Disk 13)" |
| 19:31.59 | Legorol | :) |
| 19:32.05 | nevcairiel | 98 SE was nice |
| 19:32.10 | Adys | not worth it > extremely mediocre > terrible > awfully retarded |
| 19:35.06 | cbreak | likes Snow Leopard |
| 19:35.33 | zenzelezz | roasted? |
| 19:36.43 | nevcairiel | Hm the fonts look different in chromium |
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| 20:31.49 | tem | lol |
| 20:32.09 | tem | some guy who thinks he is so special that "his ui" would win a contest |
| 20:32.36 | tem | I'm having a REALLY hard time not flaming the hell out of him |
| 20:32.43 | tem | Cairenn|afk, you should lock that thread before I do bad things |
| 20:32.52 | zenzelezz | link? |
| 20:33.29 | tem | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28107 |
| 20:34.04 | zenzelezz | heh |
| 20:34.27 | tem | he probably hasn't written a line of code and somehow thinks that collecting other people's work entitles him to win a prize |
| 20:34.36 | tem | peoples' |
| 20:34.50 | NightHawkTheSane | hey, its fucking hard work downloading stuff from a website |
| 20:34.51 | zenzelezz | you mean his 120 individual addons don't compose "his" UI? |
| 20:35.13 | zenzelezz | if you squint real hard you can almost see the screen between them all |
| 20:36.00 | tem | shudder |
| 20:36.43 | Vlakarados | is there a way to load files from lua, and not all of them from .toc file? |
| 20:36.49 | foxlit | no. |
| 20:37.03 | NightHawkTheSane | if you want access to it in wow, it must be in your toc |
| 20:37.20 | cbreak | you can load lua files |
| 20:37.22 | cbreak | from your xml files |
| 20:37.42 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, yeah i forgot about that |
| 20:37.48 | zenzelezz | not conditionally though |
| 20:38.00 | foxlit | ffs. Some part of this OS code is making the /simulator/ panic. |
| 20:38.07 | Vlakarados | I mean for example I don't want all of them all the time, I want some of the files based on class |
| 20:38.11 | zenzelezz | foxlit: which? |
| 20:38.14 | tem | you can't load anything conditionally |
| 20:38.24 | tem | (unless you use a seperate addon to do the loading) |
| 20:38.26 | Vlakarados | bad. |
| 20:38.34 | foxlit | zenzelezz: either stuff I wrote or stuff that was in the template I wrote things in. |
| 20:38.41 | foxlit | Toys, in other words. |
| 20:38.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Vlakarados: add checks at the top of the file, and just have it exit if its not the class you want? |
| 20:39.10 | tem | nods in NHTS's direction |
| 20:39.23 | zenzelezz | foxlit: I meant which OS/simulator |
| 20:39.26 | Vlakarados | you mean in every class-specific file should start with checks? |
| 20:39.26 | Seerah | local _, class = UnitClass("player") |
| 20:39.26 | Seerah | if class ~= "MAGE" then return end |
| 20:39.33 | cbreak | if you put a huge if block around your file, you can ignore code |
| 20:39.39 | foxlit | zenzelezz: I've covered OS; the simulator is bochs. |
| 20:39.44 | tem | also, Vlakarados, look at how LightHeaded works. You could split each section into a seperate addon |
| 20:39.45 | zenzelezz | oh |
| 20:39.57 | Vlakarados | tem, yeah, I thought about that |
| 20:39.57 | tem | and only load the correct class's addon from your main addon |
| 20:40.14 | Seerah | that, too |
| 20:40.18 | tem | personally I think NightHawkTheSane's suggestion is better |
| 20:40.28 | Seerah | make them LoD and disabled by default |
| 20:40.43 | tem | unless you are loading something really enormouse (like the LH database), just bailing at the top of the file is good enough |
| 20:40.53 | tem | enormous* |
| 20:40.56 | tem | that doesn't look right |
| 20:40.56 | Vlakarados | well if I quit with this check, will it be in memory or not? |
| 20:41.00 | tem | no |
| 20:41.02 | cbreak | I wonder if the GC collects dead code |
| 20:41.09 | zenzelezz | I prefer the bailing out scenario just because I hate having ten folders for one addon |
| 20:41.17 | tem | zenzelezz, agreed |
| 20:41.49 | tem | The only price you pay is that the file has to be parsed |
| 20:42.02 | tem | but as soon as it begins to run, it quits |
| 20:42.16 | cbreak | it gets compiled anyway |
| 20:42.24 | tem | right |
| 20:42.53 | tem | it has to be parsed and converted to bytecode for the interpreter to run it |
| 20:43.28 | Vlakarados | but doesn't hold it in memory, simply discards? |
| 20:43.42 | tem | there's nothing to hold |
| 20:44.35 | tem | there's absolutely zero reason to be this paranoid about memory unless you're doing something really huge |
| 20:44.44 | tem | (protip: you aren't doing something really huge) |
| 20:44.52 | Shadowed | and it's rare that you are doing something huge |
| 20:44.59 | Shadowed | very rare |
| 20:45.17 | cbreak | is calculating all prime numbers that exist |
| 20:45.28 | tem | I can only think of a few cases where those huge things were legittimate |
| 20:45.36 | cbreak | it's for science! |
| 20:45.42 | tem | (I can think of a few more cases where some huge things were done because the authors were retards) |
| 20:45.52 | tem | (AtlasLoot I'm looking at you) |
| 20:48.05 | Vlakarados | well it's not huge at all |
| 20:48.22 | Vlakarados | but I simply try to make it very light and efficient |
| 20:48.32 | tem | *eyeroll* |
| 20:48.44 | Shadowed | This is how you optimize: |
| 20:48.45 | Shadowed | Don't |
| 20:48.51 | zenzelezz | Vlakarados: that's more fun (for you) than it's useful for anyone |
| 20:48.51 | tem | removes himself from the conversation before he gets ugly |
| 20:49.20 | Seerah | Just follow the K.I.S.S principle, and don't do anything stupid and/or unneccessary :) |
| 20:49.22 | Vlakarados | well, I'm not a genious, I just try to do it right |
| 20:49.22 | cbreak | I have some addons that could use a few optimisations |
| 20:49.24 | Shadowed | Don't do anything stupid like, creating a ton of tables unnecessarily and don't do stupid things with OnUpdate |
| 20:49.34 | cbreak | a simple hud that uses 3 MiB of memory |
| 20:49.39 | Shadowed | if you can follow those two rules, you are generally going to be fine |
| 20:49.52 | Seerah | *nod* |
| 20:50.18 | Vlakarados | thanks |
| 20:50.48 | NightHawkTheSane | two steps to optimization: 1) make your code clean 2) make it easy to read/maintain. DONE> |
| 20:51.06 | Shadowed | yea |
| 20:51.22 | Shadowed | It's better to go for clean code/readability/maintability than trying to optimize it |
| 20:51.26 | Vlakarados | that's the main thing I try to do) |
| 20:51.29 | Shadowed | it's rare that you really are doing something that needs the optimization |
| 20:51.38 | cbreak | I can see where database addons like inventory addons or mobspells use memory... but IceHud :/ |
| 20:51.45 | NightHawkTheSane | and even if you are, those two are the first steps ANYWAY :P |
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| 20:52.08 | Shadowed | I have no idea how IceHud would manage to use 3 MiB |
| 20:52.12 | Vlakarados | I'm just new to this |
| 20:53.46 | Shadowed | Oh no wonder |
| 20:53.47 | cbreak | my addons use only little memory until they are used :) |
| 20:53.52 | Shadowed | it's using Ace2 and one of those super OMGMODULAR SETUPS |
| 20:54.00 | cbreak | ... |
| 20:54.01 | Seerah | cbreak: seeing as how IceHUD uses Ace-2.0, DogTags, etc, you're seeing memory usage of libs in there. |
| 20:54.46 | foxlit | teehee, fun. |
| 20:54.54 | cbreak | "I" isn't really early in the load order |
| 20:55.07 | foxlit | Apparently, returning from main() terminates the process, while if I do it from a thread function, I have to manually terminate it. |
| 20:55.09 | Shadowed | Less and less addons using Ace2 now and days |
| 20:55.11 | Shadowed | as well as dogtags |
| 20:55.21 | Seerah | that makes I come earlier ;) |
| 20:55.35 | Shadowed | and it's not alphabetical order for all OS's too |
| 20:56.06 | Seerah | or if IceHUD were using later versions of the libs than your "earlier" addons... |
| 20:57.05 | Seerah | Ultimately, though, memory usage is 99.9% meaningless |
| 20:57.19 | Vlakarados | not for my pc :) |
| 20:57.20 | Shadowed | 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 |
| 20:57.25 | Shadowed | Vlakarados how much memory do you have |
| 20:57.28 | Seerah | RAM |
| 20:57.35 | Vlakarados | 512 |
| 20:57.35 | Shadowed | RAM even |
| 20:57.37 | Shadowed | well |
| 20:57.48 | Shadowed | You are running WoW at minimum specs, so you can't expect to run every single addon you want |
| 20:57.52 | Seerah | seriously? That's under minimum specs for WoW |
| 20:57.55 | nevcairiel | wow even runs properly at 512mb? |
| 20:57.56 | Vlakarados | right |
| 20:57.59 | Vlakarados | yeah |
| 20:58.06 | Seerah | that was minumum for BC or Vanilla |
| 20:58.09 | Shadowed | You can't really complain about needing to watch your memory if you are below the min spec :p |
| 20:58.09 | nevcairiel | RAM is cheap, you know :P |
| 20:58.14 | Shadowed | Seerah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_Warcraft:_Wrath_of_the_Lich_King |
| 20:58.18 | Lopeppeppy | dearest darling fishburger, please buy yourself some more RAM for the holidays |
| 20:58.18 | Shadowed | lists 512 |
| 20:58.36 | zenzelezz | Yes! To peppy you listen! |
| 20:58.43 | Seerah | oh, maybe I was thinking mac |
| 20:58.55 | Seerah | or recommended... /shrug |
| 20:59.13 | Shadowed | Basically, the only time memory becomes a concern is because you are running min spec, and if you are running min spec you can't expect to run everything at the same time |
| 20:59.31 | Shadowed | generally, you would save more memory by closing extra applications while running WoW, don't run a mail or chat client etc than you would reducing your addons used |
| 20:59.33 | Shadowed | poofs to get food |
| 20:59.43 | cbreak | ! |
| 21:00.13 | NightHawkTheSane | wait... |
| 21:00.13 | NightHawkTheSane | so i SHOULDN'T be rendering a movie in the backaground? |
| 21:00.16 | Shadowed | interestingly enough, no |
| 21:00.26 | cbreak | rendering movies should not be a problem |
| 21:00.28 | NightHawkTheSane | :o lies and witchery! |
| 21:00.35 | zenzelezz | maybe reduce some of those 4096x4096 unit frame portrait pictures' size too |
| 21:00.41 | Lopeppeppy | You should only be baking me cookies while you're playing wow. |
| 21:00.50 | Vlakarados | well, actually I have 1024+256 now |
| 21:00.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: thats what i do when im supposed to be dpsing |
| 21:01.01 | Vlakarados | but sometimes I have to sit on 512 |
| 21:01.07 | Lopeppeppy | Everything else is a waste of resources. :) |
| 21:02.00 | Adys | anyone still has wave invites left?) |
| 21:02.07 | Adys | (not for me) |
| 21:02.16 | zenzelezz | ScytheBlade1 was offering earlier |
| 21:02.26 | Adys | ScytheBlade1: offer again plx |
| 21:02.35 | ScytheBlade1 | 2 left |
| 21:03.32 | NightHawkTheSane | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8324070.stm |
| 21:04.18 | NightHawkTheSane | 2 things: a) what, emergency? really? b) wierd that i first saw this on the bbc site. |
| 21:05.04 | cbreak | They come with needles! |
| 21:05.10 | cbreak | that sounds like an emergency |
| 21:05.13 | cbreak | hates pointy things |
| 21:05.18 | Vlakarados | yay |
| 21:05.23 | Vlakarados | horseman reins |
| 21:05.35 | cbreak | share. |
| 21:05.47 | Vlakarados | ? |
| 21:06.52 | cbreak | want one too... :( |
| 21:07.54 | Adys | http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46099000/gif/_46099947_swine_flu_body_226in.gif |
| 21:07.55 | Vlakarados | yeah |
| 21:07.58 | Adys | (1) Whole body |
| 21:08.00 | Adys | thanks for sharing |
| 21:09.33 | Vlakarados | I like that you walk the sky on it |
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| 21:21.07 | Coren{de} | anyone else noticing the ptr launcher doing funky things with directory permissions or is that only me? :D |
| 21:22.16 | cbreak | does it change the acl or something? |
| 21:24.27 | nevcairiel | Coren{de}: yeah its broken |
| 21:24.29 | Coren{de} | don't have ACLs, only regular file permissions... which are being set from drwxr-xr-x to d---r----- and then subsequently the launcher fails to display anything... |
| 21:24.48 | nevcairiel | just run wow.exe |
| 21:25.31 | Coren{de} | thanks :) was scared of having to reinstall ;) |
| 21:25.57 | cbreak | change the permissions so you don't have the rights to change them... |
| 21:26.16 | nevcairiel | you don't really need the launcher |
| 21:27.00 | cbreak | yeah, but an application shouldn't need self-modification rights anyway |
| 21:28.01 | Coren{de} | hm, it sets it to d---r-x--- ... why is that not readable by myself, despite being in the group of the directory? /ponder |
| 21:28.39 | cbreak | do you happen to be the owner? |
| 21:28.39 | nevcairiel | the explicit unset owner rights probably overrule that |
| 21:28.57 | cbreak | on what OS are you? |
| 21:29.01 | nevcairiel | cbreak: the only way to stop it from changing it would be to change the owner, which would kinda suck |
| 21:29.04 | Coren{de} | linux, yes, I'm the owner |
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| 21:30.17 | Dorkins | Hello |
| 21:30.34 | cogwheel | waves |
| 21:30.35 | Coren{de} | lol... it's indeed overwriting... changed owner to nobody ;) |
| 21:30.48 | cbreak | nevcairiel: why? |
| 21:30.59 | nevcairiel | cbreak: how else do you want to achieve that? :P |
| 21:31.07 | cbreak | I mean, why does it suck? |
| 21:31.14 | cogwheel | sighs in a not-wanting-to-troubleshoot-his-borked-computer way |
| 21:31.19 | cbreak | a normal user doesn't need write rights to application directories |
| 21:31.20 | Coren{de} | rofl... ok, that's... really, sometimes I wished to read minds :D |
| 21:31.26 | Dorkins | anyone know of any tutorials for learning to make addons? |
| 21:31.35 | nevcairiel | cbreak: i want to save savedvariables :P |
| 21:31.41 | Coren{de} | *now* the launcher protests because it can't write to the directory :> |
| 21:31.42 | cogwheel | ~wowprogramming |
| 21:31.42 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 21:31.46 | cogwheel | Dorkins: ^ |
| 21:31.47 | Dorkins | i couldn't find any on wowwiki.com |
| 21:32.40 | cogwheel | or you could start with lua.org/pil |
| 21:32.43 | cbreak | nevcairiel: make symlinks into your ~/ :) |
| 21:32.44 | Dorkins | ummmm, thats a reference(something for ppl who already know said subject) |
| 21:32.57 | nevcairiel | cbreak: thats even more fail :P |
| 21:33.01 | cogwheel | no, that's what the "guide" part is for ;) |
| 21:33.15 | cbreak | that way every user has his own settings |
| 21:33.19 | Dorkins | I didn't say lua. I said WoW Addons |
| 21:33.20 | Coren{de} | Dorkings, the kit from Blizzard has a (simplicistic) demo addon, AFAICR http://www.wowwiki.com/Interface_AddOn_Kit |
| 21:33.31 | Lopeppeppy | WoW Addons are in lua |
| 21:33.43 | cogwheel | the first almost half is dedicated to teaching you to use Lua in WoW |
| 21:33.49 | cbreak | first step to addon programming: learn to program |
| 21:34.01 | cogwheel | and you're being inappropriately hostile for someone asking for help. |
| 21:34.08 | cogwheel | points out the names of the authors |
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| 21:34.30 | cbreak | Dorkins might be too clueless to know what he wants to learn even :/ |
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| 21:37.39 | Dorkins | Are there any tools for making Addons |
| 21:37.55 | nevcairiel | we have text editors and lua parsers |
| 21:38.28 | cogwheel | and you could try Addon Studio |
| 21:38.39 | cogwheel | it's sort of the VB of addon programming |
| 21:38.42 | cbreak | I like TextWrangler |
| 21:38.45 | cogwheel | (though the language is still Lua) |
| 21:39.24 | nevcairiel | heh i like the comparison |
| 21:39.36 | Arrowmaster | and Lua isnt like VB so youll fail horribly even with AddonStudio if you dont know what you are doing |
| 21:39.36 | cbreak | I don't think a UI based addon is a good start for someone who can't even program |
| 21:39.50 | Dorkins | -.- |
| 21:39.53 | cbreak | (With VB you fail horribly even if you know what you're doing) |
| 21:39.58 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 21:40.10 | Arrowmaster | well it runs but you fail |
| 21:40.12 | cogwheel | deals with some of the ... most frustrating VBA at work |
| 21:40.19 | Arrowmaster | vs you failing and it not running |
| 21:40.49 | cbreak | I wrote a few scripts in "power shell script" at work... |
| 21:40.54 | cbreak | it was an improvement over VBS |
| 21:41.21 | cbreak | I realy don't like vb* |
| 21:42.01 | cogwheel | caveat, vb.net is, for a large part, a VBification of C# semantics rather than a direct descendent of VB itself |
| 21:42.12 | Coren{de} | Dorkins, you might want to elaborate a bit more on how well versed you are in programming in principle... |
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| 21:43.24 | Dorkins | php, mysql, some C++, html, css |
| 21:43.40 | cbreak | html and css aren't programming :/ |
| 21:43.47 | Dorkins | yea they are |
| 21:43.48 | Dagmar | heh |
| 21:43.52 | nevcairiel | nor is mysql |
| 21:43.53 | Dagmar | No, they're not. |
| 21:43.56 | Vlakarados | no they're not |
| 21:44.01 | Arrowmaster | php isnt, its just pure fail |
| 21:44.04 | Vlakarados | it's markup |
| 21:44.05 | Dagmar | They're data formats. |
| 21:44.11 | cbreak | sql can be programming... although declarative. |
| 21:44.15 | Lopeppeppy | Guys, now you're the ones being un-necessarily harsh. |
| 21:44.17 | cogwheel | Dorkins: i'm tellin ya, the book is exactly what you want. It starts off with a quick lua tutorial, ignoring any features of Lua you don't need (can't use) |
| 21:44.19 | nevcairiel | barely |
| 21:44.34 | cogwheel | then it teaches you the basics of how the wow API works |
| 21:44.41 | cbreak | I think lua is a nice programming language to learn |
| 21:44.44 | Dorkins | html, php, css, mysql is under Web Programming |
| 21:44.58 | cbreak | certainly nicer than C(++) in the shoot-yourself-in-the-foot rating |
| 21:45.02 | cogwheel | then it has a set of "cookbook" style examples to give you ideas |
| 21:45.03 | Vlakarados | where can I steal the book? ;) |
| 21:45.07 | Coren{de} | I'd rather prefer a strongly typed language for learners... |
| 21:45.15 | Lopeppeppy | Dorkins, the resources we've already listed are honestly the best ones that are around. WoW Programming is a good book/site, and will get you started in the right direction. |
| 21:45.24 | cogwheel | and finally a reference to all (at the time of writing) the api functions, events, etc. |
| 21:45.55 | cbreak | HTML has as much to do with programming as writing a PDF |
| 21:46.23 | cbreak | (although, Post Script is programming :D) |
| 21:46.26 | NightHawkTheSane | writes his pdf in latex |
| 21:46.30 | Coren{de} | which doesn't mean that neither is programming :p |
| 21:46.44 | cbreak | as well |
| 21:47.01 | cbreak | I've used a nice PS that generates QRCode for my bussiness card |
| 21:47.12 | Lopeppeppy | NHTS, that's just too kinky for me. |
| 21:49.30 | Coren{de} | does anyone know of any diff-tool that operates on block indentation logic and not on line hash logic? :D |
| 21:49.34 | cbreak | if you want to learn lua without spamming /console reloadui, you should get yourself a lua interpreter |
| 21:49.49 | Dorkins | ? |
| 21:49.50 | Vlakarados | how do I create status bars when I don't know how many of them will be used? |
| 21:49.53 | cbreak | block indentation? |
| 21:50.13 | cbreak | Vlakarados: in lua |
| 21:50.20 | Vlakarados | yeah |
| 21:50.20 | cbreak | as opposed to a static xml |
| 21:50.28 | cogwheel | ~lua-wow |
| 21:50.29 | purl | lua-wow is probably a Lua 5.1.1 distribution customized by Cogwheel to more closely resemble the Lua environment of World of Warcraft. http://luaforge.net/projects/lua-wow (not to be confused with wowlua) |
| 21:50.29 | cbreak | you can create a template in xml if you want |
| 21:50.44 | Vlakarados | no, I like avoiding any xml) |
| 21:50.51 | cbreak | there are CreateFrame and CreateTexture/Create* methods |
| 21:50.51 | cogwheel | ~wowlua |
| 21:50.52 | purl | [wowlua] an interactive Lua interpreter and multi-page script editor for World of Warcraft, written by Cladhaire and other contributors to wowprogramming. http://tinyurl.com/6cfrac (not to be confused with lua-wow) |
| 21:51.07 | cbreak | note that things you create that way do NOT get GCed |
| 21:51.13 | Dorkins | is lost |
| 21:51.52 | cogwheel | ~wowprogramming, imo |
| 21:52.12 | cogwheel | and now that we have come full circle |
| 21:53.28 | cogwheel | http://www.maniacworld.com/dog-vs-trampoline.html |
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| 21:56.26 | Dorkins | Gratz, you got me confused and lost. |
| 21:56.31 | Coren{de} | crash #4, again fell for impatience :| |
| 21:56.31 | cbreak | confused with what? |
| 21:56.59 | cogwheel | i've made the same recommendation 3 times and you've completely dismissed it. In between dismissals, you've been displaying every characteristic of the intended audience for the book |
| 21:57.29 | cogwheel | and we've also had answers to all your questions, and you claim to be lost |
| 21:57.34 | cogwheel | what do you expect us to do? |
| 21:57.47 | Coren{de} | if anyone had an answer to an alternativ diff-utility... tell me :D |
| 21:58.08 | nevcairiel | diff itself not good enough? :P |
| 21:58.15 | NightHawkTheSane | cogwheel: hold his hand and walk him from ignorance to mastery, obviously |
| 21:58.19 | cbreak | I like the diff git uses |
| 21:58.34 | nevcairiel | which is just diff -u, mostly |
| 21:58.35 | cbreak | the Merge from the Dev Tools is quite good too |
| 21:58.42 | cbreak | it has COLORS! :) |
| 21:58.43 | Dorkins | I'm so lost |
| 21:58.57 | cbreak | Dorkins: get a map. Or ask someone |
| 21:59.10 | Coren{de} | diff has (IMHO) some serious shortcomings regarding the treatment of empty lines/block markers as "identical line" |
| 21:59.11 | cogwheel | Dorkins: ask a direct question, we'll give you a direct response |
| 21:59.46 | Dorkins | I've check wowwiki and found no tutorial(s) |
| 21:59.54 | cbreak | yeah, that's a bit inconveinent Coren{de} |
| 22:00.02 | cogwheel | is having deja-vu |
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| 22:00.13 | cbreak | I don't think you can learn programming with tutorials |
| 22:00.31 | cbreak | just like learning how to paint or how to cook is not possible with tutorials |
| 22:00.51 | cbreak | tutorials only seem to teach how to paint one picture, or how to cook one recipe. |
| 22:01.21 | nevcairiel | i always like working through an introductory tutorial to get a feeling for the system |
| 22:01.42 | cbreak | I like to look at example code, the API docs |
| 22:01.53 | cbreak | and then start to program |
| 22:02.20 | cogwheel | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wow+addon+tutorial |
| 22:02.21 | Dorkins | i used tutorials to learn all my pass programming (html, php, css, mysql, etc.) |
| 22:02.40 | nevcairiel | well not a tutorial for learning a language, i was more refering to frameworks or complex APIs or such :P |
| 22:02.42 | cogwheel | past, and html, css are not programming |
| 22:02.58 | cogwheel | mysql, yes or no depending on how advanced you got? |
| 22:03.01 | Coren{de} | I thought there might a diff-utility, that uses the information of indentation, like humans do... and then diffs first based on the blocks, then based on the lines in the blocks... |
| 22:04.28 | Dorkins | someone on wowwiki should really either post one from another site or write one. |
| 22:04.39 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, funny thing, someone did |
| 22:04.41 | Dorkins | so others can learn it |
| 22:04.47 | cogwheel | you gonna pay them? |
| 22:04.47 | NightHawkTheSane | they put it on wowprogramming.com, and in a book |
| 22:04.49 | NightHawkTheSane | funny that |
| 22:04.55 | Dorkins | i don't see any tutorials on wowwiki |
| 22:05.04 | cogwheel | or are you just expecting everyone else to bend over for you? |
| 22:05.10 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 |
| 22:05.23 | nevcairiel | Dorkins: I wonder how we all learned it then, we must've been born with the knowledge! :P |
| 22:06.35 | cbreak | is a genius |
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| 22:07.50 | Lopeppeppy | Dorkins, the wowwiki is not kept very up-to-date anymore, the WoW Programming site is better in that regard. |
| 22:08.02 | NightHawkTheSane | is the quizatz haderach |
| 22:08.29 | NightHawkTheSane | most of the stuf on wowwiki is still reasonably relevant though |
| 22:08.38 | Lopeppeppy | Is that contagious? |
| 22:08.44 | NightHawkTheSane | a lot of the tutorials and how-tos are still good |
| 22:09.51 | Dorkins | damn, no tutorials there either |
| 22:10.05 | Lopeppeppy | I've heard complaints lately in the channel that the API section isn't being maintained much anymore, but I trust you on the tutorials. |
| 22:10.14 | cog|away | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wow+addon+tutorial |
| 22:11.18 | Dorkins | that site is only trying to sell crap |
| 22:11.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Dorkins: might i suggest either an optometrist (is that the right one?) or some remedial reading classes, then. because you're either willfully ignorant, unable to read, or blind. |
| 22:11.35 | cog|away | O.o |
| 22:11.36 | Lopeppeppy | "that site" ? Which one? |
| 22:11.47 | Dorkins | wowprogramming |
| 22:12.13 | Lopeppeppy | Um, no... it has an API listing and and and... |
| 22:12.22 | cog|away | well duh, it's the companion site for the book... but it's also got a comprehensive api documentation |
| 22:12.25 | Lopeppeppy | Click the navigation tabs, see the world? |
| 22:12.31 | Dorkins | only thing is a list of books each costing $50 each |
| 22:12.38 | foxlit | Lopeppeppy: it's still maintained, it's just that it never claimed completeness :) |
| 22:13.07 | Lopeppeppy | Dorkins, you must have a browser blocking their navigation tabs, one should be... references or resources or... let me load it. |
| 22:13.12 | Dorkins | there is no link named World |
| 22:13.18 | Lopeppeppy | Reference. |
| 22:13.31 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, im going to go with willfully ignorant/stupid. |
| 22:13.42 | Dorkins | that link doesn't contain any tutorials |
| 22:13.58 | Lopeppeppy | Store, Reference, Chapters, Forums, Utilities, Code Snippets... Dude, I'm done helping you if you can't even enable your browser to see the links. |
| 22:14.30 | kdtresh | where's the tutorial for using the wowprogramming website? |
| 22:14.37 | Dorkins | except there is no tutorial one |
| 22:15.01 | cbreak | he's probably just dumb |
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| 22:15.13 | Lopeppeppy | Read the site, Dorkins, we are not going to hand-hold you anymore. Led you to water already, drink and you shall be full. |
| 22:15.21 | Dorkins | i did |
| 22:15.23 | foxlit | I think his point is simply that API reference != tutorials. |
| 22:15.38 | Dorkins | no tutorials just a few books each costing $50 |
| 22:15.44 | Lopeppeppy | cog gave him a google-it link to tutorials. |
| 22:16.03 | Dorkins | reference is for ppl who already know said subject |
| 22:16.06 | Lopeppeppy | and maybe if one care to read it, a sample chapter might be a walk through tutorial, who knows? |
| 22:16.06 | nevcairiel | buy the book, its the best tutorial you'll ever get |
| 22:16.21 | Lopeppeppy | not us, 'cause we haven't read them. |
| 22:16.40 | cbreak | maybe Lopeppeppy. Or code snippets could be considered a tutorial for people who can read them. |
| 22:16.55 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe. |
| 22:17.04 | Dorkins | tutorials are free, books aren't |
| 22:17.05 | kdtresh | http://www.yetikitn.com/2008/09/17/wow-addon-tutorial-the-basics-the-lua-file/ |
| 22:17.11 | kdtresh | http://fara.webeddie.com/frames/ |
| 22:17.20 | kdtresh | i'll send you an invoice |
| 22:17.26 | Lopeppeppy | kdtresh, you're a better guru than I am. |
| 22:17.47 | Lopeppeppy | did you use google to find those? |
| 22:18.06 | kdtresh | is that a trick question? |
| 22:18.29 | Lopeppeppy | *bats eyes innocently* |
| 22:18.40 | cbreak | tutorials aren't free |
| 22:18.49 | cbreak | well... they are free, like movies are free |
| 22:18.50 | NightHawkTheSane | really, anyone who's not an idiot and has a decent familiarity with at least one language can learn another just through code examples, how-tos and reference material |
| 22:19.26 | kdtresh | it's only 3:19, i can't drink yet, i had to keep my blood pressure down |
| 22:19.42 | kdtresh | if it was after 5, things might be different |
| 22:19.58 | kdtresh | http://www.google.com/search?q=wow+addon+tutorial |
| 22:20.01 | Lopeppeppy | Whaaaa! |
| 22:20.02 | kdtresh | that is a pretty complicated process |
| 22:20.05 | Lopeppeppy | cannot drink anymore!! |
| 22:20.15 | NightHawkTheSane | at all, ever? |
| 22:20.43 | Lopeppeppy | For the lengthy forseeable future, yes |
| 22:20.46 | NightHawkTheSane | :( |
| 22:20.50 | NightHawkTheSane | ill drink for you, then. |
| 22:20.54 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 22:21.07 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you, NHTS. I prefer Morgans and cherry coke |
| 22:21.17 | Lopeppeppy | I have half a damn bottle in my kitchen, if you want to come take it out of my misery |
| 22:21.18 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, will crown and coke suffice? im not a rum person |
| 22:21.37 | Lopeppeppy | Crown will do. |
| 22:22.06 | Dorkins | I guess its impossible for you to point someone to a site with a wow addons tutorial |
| 22:22.17 | cbreak | you're just too dumb to see it |
| 22:22.33 | Lopeppeppy | ... Dorkins, line up all the links we gave you, and then go study. You've got all we've got to give. |
| 22:22.49 | kdtresh | i'll cover the captain for you later, peppy |
| 22:23.00 | kdtresh | though it probably won't be cherry coke |
| 22:23.11 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, kdtresh. It's driving me crazy, like an itch you can't reach. |
| 22:23.23 | kdtresh | Dorkins: i gave you two links, did you bother to look at them? |
| 22:24.40 | Thunder_Child | why dont soul shards stack? |
| 22:24.41 | kdtresh | Lopeppeppy: no problem, my nightly captain & something or other is what makes my diet manageable, lol |
| 22:24.51 | kdtresh | Thunder_Child: because everyone hates warlocks |
| 22:24.59 | Lopeppeppy | Because they are all pointy, TC |
| 22:25.19 | kdtresh | maybe if they nerf fear a bit more it'll be more balanced |
| 22:25.24 | Lopeppeppy | kdtresh, I now envy you! |
| 22:25.52 | kdtresh | taco bell, wendy's, and captain morgan, hard to complain about that diet |
| 22:26.03 | Lopeppeppy | .... eeew |
| 22:26.10 | Lopeppeppy | KFC and morgans I could see. |
| 22:26.15 | kdtresh | kfc works too |
| 22:26.26 | kdtresh | bbq chicken sandwich is only 310 calories, lol |
| 22:26.35 | Lopeppeppy | "only" |
| 22:27.09 | kdtresh | i'm shooting fro 1200 a day |
| 22:27.19 | kdtresh | s/fro/for |
| 22:27.39 | Coren{de} | aha! on ptr it's still the pre-battle.net login scheme 8 |
| 22:28.02 | Thunder_Child | ...because bag space changes dps.... |
| 22:28.04 | Thunder_Child | haters |
| 22:28.13 | Lopeppeppy | What about fat/cholesterol, kdtresh? |
| 22:28.23 | cbreak | energy! |
| 22:28.30 | kdtresh | Lopeppeppy: not worrying about it right now |
| 22:28.47 | cbreak | more fat = more time playing wow without need for refueling |
| 22:28.53 | kdtresh | calories are the key |
| 22:29.40 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 22:29.45 | Lopeppeppy | Must be a young pup still! |
| 22:29.47 | Cide | to gaining/losing weight, indeed |
| 22:29.58 | kdtresh | down 40+ since the 4th of july |
| 22:30.06 | kdtresh | about 70 since jan 1 |
| 22:30.41 | Lopeppeppy | woot, good job |
| 22:30.41 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: they're riding you of them in 4.0, anyway :) |
| 22:32.13 | kdtresh | hacker diet ftw, lol |
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| 22:32.42 | Dorkins | wow, those links explained very little of a specifc part of addons. nothing more |
| 22:33.38 | Cide | we're not going to give you the secret tutorial until you prove yourself worthy. |
| 22:33.48 | Lopeppeppy | Sucks to be you if you can't take those lessons and apply them more broadly |
| 22:34.07 | cbreak | As I said hours ago |
| 22:34.08 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, really? must have missed that |
| 22:34.21 | cbreak | the first step on the way to learn how to program addons |
| 22:34.27 | cbreak | is to learn to program |
| 22:35.00 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: Yeah. It's one of the big changes for warlocks; soulstones will become more of a combat resource than a utility thing. |
| 22:35.12 | kdtresh | like dk runes |
| 22:35.15 | kdtresh | or so i've read |
| 22:35.21 | kdtresh | at least roughly |
| 22:35.22 | Dorkins | it was so small it doesn't even deserve to be called a tutorial |
| 22:35.55 | kdtresh | sets mode +b... |
| 22:36.04 | foxlit | What do you actually want to find, Dorkins? |
| 22:36.18 | Dorkins | i just want a tutorial for making wow addons |
| 22:36.32 | foxlit | Which would tell you what? |
| 22:36.49 | Cide | Dorkins: www.lua.org/pil |
| 22:36.51 | Cide | there you go |
| 22:36.52 | Cide | read |
| 22:36.54 | Dorkins | how to make wow addons. |
| 22:37.00 | Cide | and then www.wowprogramming.com when you're done reading that |
| 22:37.07 | Dorkins | facepalm |
| 22:37.13 | Dorkins | i said wow addons |
| 22:37.16 | kdtresh | define "make wow addons" |
| 22:37.20 | Cide | I know what you said |
| 22:37.28 | Cide | stop facepalming and plant your head in the ground permanently |
| 22:37.31 | cbreak | maybe I have to be more clear Dorkins. |
| 22:37.34 | Dorkins | wowprogramming only wants to sell you $50 books |
| 22:37.42 | Cide | it's an online reference |
| 22:37.43 | cbreak | you are probably too dumb to be able to program addons |
| 22:37.44 | Lopeppeppy | Or give you a nice API listing under References. |
| 22:37.45 | Cide | now stfu |
| 22:37.47 | kdtresh | wowprogramming has the complete world of warcraft api, easily available |
| 22:38.23 | Cide | you sure picked a fitting name |
| 22:38.30 | Dorkins | references are for ppl who already know said subject |
| 22:38.37 | kdtresh | are we on candid camera? |
| 22:38.41 | Lopeppeppy | Must be. |
| 22:38.47 | Lopeppeppy | looks around for the spybot |
| 22:38.52 | Lopeppeppy | ~botsnack |
| 22:38.52 | purl | Lopeppeppy: :) |
| 22:38.55 | cbreak | their pranks are fun. Dorkins' just a noob |
| 22:39.01 | Thunder_Child | Lua teaches you how to set it up, wowprograming teaches you what keywords to use |
| 22:39.14 | Thunder_Child | if you need more, ro look at addons that exists |
| 22:39.17 | Thunder_Child | go* |
| 22:39.23 | Thunder_Child | exist* |
| 22:39.32 | Cide | Dorkins: www.lua.org/pil |
| 22:39.32 | Cide | GO |
| 22:39.33 | kdtresh | fara frames is a decent, if outdated tutorial that still works |
| 22:39.37 | Cide | before I ban you |
| 22:40.22 | cbreak | would be the first person in this channel I see get banned by an admin (as opposed by that trigger happy bot... :) |
| 22:40.37 | Dorkins | I've checked wowwiki and they don't even have an outdated tutorial, let alone a tutorial |
| 22:40.54 | Cide | Dorkins: www.lua.org/pil |
| 22:40.55 | Cide | GO |
| 22:40.56 | kdtresh | did you look at either of the links i gave you an hour ago? |
| 22:40.57 | Cide | before I ban you |
| 22:40.59 | cbreak | tip: first learn reading english. |
| 22:41.18 | cbreak | if you can read text written in the english language, you will find tutorials on wowwiki |
| 22:41.48 | Dorkins | kd, that so called tutorial was on 1 little tiny thing and was so short it doesn't deserve to be called a tutorial. |
| 22:42.00 | Cide | Dorkins: www.lua.org/pil |
| 22:42.04 | Cide | before I ban you |
| 22:42.05 | Beladona | mikma: ping |
| 22:42.10 | Lopeppeppy | searches wowwiki for "addon tutorial" and gets over a dozen hits. |
| 22:42.15 | Dorkins | did i say lua? i said wow addons |
| 22:42.21 | kdtresh | gives up. |
| 22:42.21 | Thunder_Child | thats what wow is |
| 22:42.25 | kdtresh | needs a drink. |
| 22:42.39 | Dorkins | I'm in the addons section for wowwiki and not one tutorial |
| 22:42.43 | cbreak | Dorkins, you're too dumb to write an addon |
| 22:42.54 | kdtresh | fara frames is practically the definition of a tutorial, it shows you how to make just about any combination of components in a frame |
| 22:43.03 | Lopeppeppy | I said waaaaay up there, wow addons are written in lua. |
| 22:43.03 | kdtresh | text boxes, graphics, sliders |
| 22:43.11 | Lopeppeppy | Wow. Very fail |
| 22:43.32 | kdtresh | there must be something sinister afoot |
| 22:45.33 | Beladona | Dorkins: are you looking to do something specific, or are you trying to learn addon programming in general? because if it is the latter, I recommend you start small |
| 22:45.55 | cbreak | I think he's still learning how to read human language |
| 22:46.18 | Dorkins | If you aren't helping then stfu. Thank you. |
| 22:46.33 | Thunder_Child | we are trying to help, you arent understanding |
| 22:46.46 | Dorkins | I just need a damn tutorial |
| 22:46.52 | Thunder_Child | to learn lua is to learn how to make wow addons |
| 22:46.57 | kdtresh | and i linked you two of them, you spat in my face |
| 22:46.59 | cbreak | what you need is a brain Dorkins... |
| 22:48.09 | Shadowed | Tutorial: |
| 22:48.17 | Shadowed | Step 1) Don't be an asshole to people who are helping you |
| 22:48.18 | Shadowed | Step 2) See 1 |
| 22:48.27 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/AddOn_programming_tutorial/Introduction moo? |
| 22:48.32 | Shadowed | Step 3) See 2 |
| 22:49.29 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:49.51 | Thunder_Child | smacks Fisker with a red Swingline stapler |
| 22:50.53 | Fisker | we fucking then |
| 22:51.31 | krka | here's my tutorial, quite simple. 1) learn Lua. 2) learn xml. 3) browse the wow api docs on wowprogramming or wowwiki. 4) look at some code samples from other peoples addons. 5) write your own very simple addon or tweak someone elses until you get the hang of it |
| 22:52.05 | Dorkins | nice, gave me a tool that doesn't even work. Addon Studio fails. |
| 22:52.25 | cbreak | learn to use a text editor |
| 22:52.32 | Beladona | Dorkins: you need to be specific if you want help with something specific. But if you want to "learn" you need to understand that it isn't exactly something you can teach. All we can do is point you to tutorials and expect you to practice and learn on your own, as most of us did |
| 22:53.21 | Beladona | with that said, if you ahve questions along the way, this is the place to ask |
| 22:53.23 | cbreak | the teachings are in the code. |
| 22:53.33 | Fisker | man |
| 22:53.36 | Fisker | 2K is persistent |
| 22:53.52 | Thunder_Child | Fisker, for about 1000 years |
| 22:53.57 | krka | if you already learnt html, php, css and mysql, you should be able to learn lua from reading online pil or reading the reference manual |
| 22:53.58 | Fisker | :O |
| 22:54.04 | Fisker | i mean 2K Games |
| 22:54.19 | cbreak | krka: I think he didn't learn them. he just copy pasted some tutorial code |
| 22:54.21 | Beladona | what did they do? |
| 22:54.22 | Fisker | Still maintaining they didn't lie about Borderlands :P |
| 22:54.23 | cbreak | and it printed hello world! |
| 22:54.24 | Dorkins | i need a new addon making tool that actually works |
| 22:54.36 | Beladona | use a text editor? |
| 22:54.36 | cbreak | Dorkins: get a text editor |
| 22:54.44 | Beladona | very few of us use a "studio" |
| 22:54.46 | Fisker | Beladona told retailers who enquired that there was no street date |
| 22:54.54 | kdtresh | ok, i've gotta go before i splode |
| 22:55.00 | Beladona | in my experience the few that worked, make your code ugly as hell |
| 22:55.04 | Fisker | Then proceed to call those retailers the scourge of gaming |
| 22:55.17 | Fisker | since players can't activate until the 26th/30th |
| 22:55.28 | Fisker | Basically it's bioshock all over again |
| 22:55.34 | Beladona | I noticed several gmaing companies doing that lately Disker |
| 22:55.44 | Fisker | They also claim that Valve had put up bad unlock dates for Borderlands on Steam |
| 22:55.45 | Beladona | lots of TBD street dates right up until its out |
| 22:55.48 | Dorkins | so are you saying you don't use a tool for doing saying C++ or html or even PHP? |
| 22:55.51 | krka | i am guessing 99% of the people here use plain text editors, or possibly some xml tool too |
| 22:56.00 | Dorkins | if so thats really stupid |
| 22:56.00 | Beladona | I can't type today |
| 22:56.02 | Fisker | so that makes it the first time Steam ever screwed up a release date |
| 22:56.04 | Fisker | :D |
| 22:56.04 | cbreak | Dorkins: it's called text editor |
| 22:56.06 | krka | most also use commandline lua / luac too |
| 22:56.12 | Lopeppeppy | most windows people use just notepad for lua |
| 22:56.15 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yqVD0swvWU&feature=PlayList&p=dOWv76j71Ew |
| 22:56.17 | Thunder_Child | Dorkins, you might be thinking of a compiler |
| 22:56.19 | krka | ewww, not notepad |
| 22:56.22 | cbreak | Lopeppeppy: notepad++ :) |
| 22:56.22 | Thunder_Child | which isnt needed here |
| 22:56.23 | Beladona | Dorkins: I use Notepad++ for HTML, CSS, PHP, Lua, XML |
| 22:56.25 | Dorkins | programming tools are a must. |
| 22:56.25 | krka | i doubt anyone uses notepad :P |
| 22:56.27 | Beladona | its a text editor |
| 22:56.27 | Corrodias | all developers who aren't Dorkins are stupid |
| 22:56.32 | Lopeppeppy | oh, fine, ++ :P |
| 22:56.45 | Corrodias | Dorkins can't program without an IDE; thus, Dorkins is the smart one |
| 22:56.46 | cbreak | for os x, I like TextWrangler |
| 22:57.04 | krka | i like intellij for java and such, but it doesn't support lua very well |
| 22:57.23 | Beladona | I can't really see where a studio would be much help with Lua |
| 22:57.29 | cbreak | I use XCode for real programs, but no addon will ever require that complexity |
| 22:57.38 | Beladona | unless you want a tool that does most of it for you, in which case -- for shame |
| 22:58.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Beladona: 10:1 odds say thats exactly what Dorkins wants |
| 22:58.08 | NightHawkTheSane | a java-like push-button-to-make-addon ide |
| 22:58.20 | cbreak | is there a new addon author only beta key giveaway? |
| 22:58.29 | Beladona | having a way to emulate frame output would be interesting, but wow does that just fine |
| 22:58.42 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: probably will be once there's a beta to give keys away for? |
| 22:58.58 | cbreak | is pondering the motives of the noob |
| 22:59.02 | Dorkins | programming tools are a must for programmers. i use one for c++, html, php, css, etc. |
| 22:59.13 | cbreak | good joke Dork |
| 22:59.32 | NightHawkTheSane | cbreak: yeah, probably a troll |
| 22:59.33 | Beladona | I agree with him. But the term "programming tool" is very broad |
| 22:59.38 | Beladona | and in my mind includes a text editor |
| 22:59.40 | krka | lots of trolling today |
| 22:59.43 | krka | i like it |
| 22:59.53 | Corrodias | and you'd be wrong. Mel would be disappointed in you. |
| 23:00.09 | krka | i think Dorkins just heard some programming teacher say "programming tools are a must" |
| 23:00.17 | Beladona | what exactly do you need in an IDE Dorkins? |
| 23:00.21 | Dorkins | text editor is for writing things like books or tutorials and such things, not programming |
| 23:00.22 | Arrowmaster | text editor plus syntax checker = enough tools |
| 23:00.27 | Beladona | maybe we can point you to a tool that does it |
| 23:00.31 | Dagmar | Dorkins: You are wrong. |
| 23:00.33 | cbreak | Dorkins: get a clue |
| 23:00.49 | NightHawkTheSane | can we just ban him and get it over with? :P |
| 23:00.51 | Arrowmaster | the majority of all programmers that do real serious programming disagree with you |
| 23:00.52 | Corrodias | linux is for running web servers, not for playing games |
| 23:00.54 | cbreak | I wrote my whole masters thesis in a (glorified) text editor. Including the program |
| 23:00.54 | Dagmar | Dorkins: There's a very good possibility that I have more personal and professional experience than the teacher who told you that. |
| 23:01.22 | krka | Dorkins: what kind of tools do you use for css and html? |
| 23:01.22 | Dagmar | They were wrong, and so are you. |
| 23:01.22 | Dagmar | You do not _need_ an entire IDE to program in any language. |
| 23:01.37 | Dagmar | It simply makes some things faster when you don't yet know the language well, or you don't yet know what it is you should be writing. |
| 23:01.47 | Dorkins | Dreamweaver for web programming. |
| 23:01.47 | Dagmar | ...and an IDE will not fully solve either of those problems. |
| 23:01.52 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 23:02.01 | Beladona | you can use dreamweaver for lua |
| 23:02.06 | Lopeppeppy | hay is for horses! |
| 23:02.07 | Beladona | it just wont make things for you |
| 23:02.11 | Arrowmaster | IDE's for web programming are the fucking worst |
| 23:02.17 | NightHawkTheSane | "dreamweaver for web programming" that kind of says it all, doesnt it? |
| 23:02.22 | cbreak | writing web pages in a text editor is much more efficient |
| 23:02.27 | Dagmar | It says "shrink wrapped skills" to em. |
| 23:02.29 | Dorkins | lua isn't web programming |
| 23:02.31 | Dagmar | s/em/me/; |
| 23:02.36 | krka | lua can be web programming |
| 23:02.40 | Beladona | actually lua can be usedon the web, but we digress |
| 23:02.48 | ScytheBlade1 | has run web pages based on lua |
| 23:02.50 | NightHawkTheSane | now, here's the fun part |
| 23:02.51 | Arrowmaster | wowprogramming.com is written in lua |
| 23:02.56 | ScytheBlade1 | also points to wowprogramming.com which is ENTIRELY lua |
| 23:03.10 | ScytheBlade1 | well, and javascript |
| 23:03.10 | krka | "hi, i want to make an addon without learning anything or doing any work" |
| 23:03.10 | Thunder_Child | Beladona, we digressed a loooooooooooong time ago |
| 23:03.16 | NightHawkTheSane | "dreamweaver for web programing", so a >$50 software program to do your work for you is okay |
| 23:03.24 | Dagmar | krka: I am loathe to admit it but it sounds exactly like that from here. |
| 23:03.26 | NightHawkTheSane | but $50 book that actually teaches you stuff, isnt.. |
| 23:03.37 | Ginji | dreamweaver is crap |
| 23:04.17 | Fisker | we fucking then NightHawkTheSane |
| 23:04.19 | krka | why pay $50 to learn something when you can pay $50 for crappy software to produce mediocre stuff |
| 23:04.20 | cbreak | any wysiwyg html "editor" is crap |
| 23:04.34 | Beladona | I would venture to say somthing like Notepad++ gives you everything you possibly need. Code folding, syntax coloring, line numbers. Anything beyond that and you are asking for a tool to program for you |
| 23:04.41 | NightHawkTheSane | krka: ironically, you just described 90% of the software industry |
| 23:05.05 | krka | scite is probably the most mature lua editor today, afaik |
| 23:05.14 | Ginji | Beladona: the only thing which is nice when the language enables it is code completion |
| 23:05.17 | NightHawkTheSane | textmate is pretty nice too |
| 23:05.30 | Thunder_Child | Beladona, meaybe he means something that 'suggests' the wow API when coding |
| 23:06.39 | Beladona | code hinting might be nice, but I learn better if I am forced to know it on my own |
| 23:06.47 | Lopeppeppy | oh, like the Word paperclip? |
| 23:06.49 | Thunder_Child | you != him |
| 23:07.09 | NightHawkTheSane | code hinting is only good if you already know what you want |
| 23:07.20 | Ginji | Code hinting only works when you know what you want |
| 23:07.44 | cbreak | code hinting shortens infinity |
| 23:07.51 | Thunder_Child | i have seen some that are slightly more, that also tell you what each ones does |
| 23:07.55 | cbreak | if you let an infinite number of monkeys write your addons |
| 23:07.59 | Thunder_Child | not in lua though |
| 23:07.59 | Beladona | are there any IDE with code hinting for Lua? |
| 23:08.13 | cbreak | the API in lua is so slim |
| 23:08.14 | Thunder_Child | i think something has a plugin |
| 23:08.15 | Arrowmaster | its good for stuff like quick reference to function arguments |
| 23:08.17 | cbreak | I doubt anyone has seen the need |
| 23:08.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 23:08.25 | Beladona | unless you modify one to include wow api, but thats a huge project |
| 23:08.29 | Beladona | I know, because I have tried |
| 23:08.32 | Arrowmaster | theres an outdated SciTE one |
| 23:08.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Eclipse with the lua plugin has lua code hinting |
| 23:08.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Beladona: i think there might be a textmate bundle, and i know kaelten made a TM bundle for the wow api |
| 23:08.40 | Thunder_Child | but not wow api |
| 23:08.43 | ScytheBlade1 | only lua however, not WoW |
| 23:09.11 | Arrowmaster | theres a bundle of SciTE on WoWI with WoW api hinting |
| 23:09.40 | Beladona | wowcompares should have everything enabled tonight |
| 23:09.42 | krka | Beladona: hmm... why is it huge? |
| 23:09.43 | Arrowmaster | its all just copied from wowwiki many years ago and now kinda outdated |
| 23:09.47 | Beladona | downloads and true diffs |
| 23:09.48 | foxlit | TM Lua bundle is a bit... lacking. |
| 23:09.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Beladona: win |
| 23:09.55 | krka | surely you could rip out the api from wowwiki or wowprogramming? |
| 23:10.13 | krka | automatically with a script or something |
| 23:10.16 | Industrial | foxlit: I did some fixing on it :p |
| 23:10.24 | foxlit | Industrial: we all did, probably. |
| 23:10.52 | Arrowmaster | krka: clad has said he would do a db dump and script formatting for anybody that asked if they provided a detailed format they needed it in |
| 23:10.53 | Beladona | bonus, the site runs freaking fast now, and I haven't evne turned caching back on yet |
| 23:10.55 | Industrial | trying to get orbit to run with lighttpd and fcgi, I have no idew how to config it :\ |
| 23:11.30 | krka | plain db dump in sql format would be good enough for me :) |
| 23:11.32 | foxlit | Beladona: does it actually do things while running freaking fast? (Don't take the question too seriously, I really haven't checked.) |
| 23:11.59 | Beladona | directory listing, and file contents thus far |
| 23:12.17 | Beladona | but files pull up instantly now, even for GlobalStrings.lua |
| 23:12.20 | foxlit | So no actual... hard work. |
| 23:12.34 | foxlit | Serving pure text *should* be fast :) |
| 23:12.34 | Beladona | no, just svn lookups, but it was slow before |
| 23:12.44 | Beladona | the host has 1.1.4 of svn |
| 23:13.57 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 23:14.00 | Industrial | Anyone got an example? :X |
| 23:14.32 | Beladona | I had to compile and install the latest svn as local user so that I could get access to svn diff --sumarize |
| 23:15.17 | foxlit | It seems odd to invoke svn as part of a web interface, but you probably had your reasons. |
| 23:15.40 | Beladona | most web svn portals ecex the svn client |
| 23:15.43 | Beladona | exec |
| 23:15.49 | Beladona | to get their data |
| 23:16.12 | Beladona | unless you can use the apache module, but that wasn't a possibility either here |
| 23:16.28 | Cide | he's still fooling you guys huh |
| 23:16.32 | Dorkins | I really need a tool for making addons. such as syntax highlighting, visual window designers, etc. |
| 23:16.32 | Cide | can we just ban him? |
| 23:16.37 | Beladona | who? |
| 23:16.44 | Cide | the one I just sandwiched |
| 23:16.54 | Cide | apart from you |
| 23:17.00 | Beladona | Dorkins: give up. There is no such animal |
| 23:17.19 | Beladona | the studios that WERE working were abandoned and don't work well anymore |
| 23:17.39 | Dorkins | they are needed to be able to program |
| 23:17.48 | Beladona | apparently not |
| 23:18.00 | Beladona | there are hundreds of addons, and no working wysiwyg editor |
| 23:18.23 | foxlit | Beladona: Probably. I just didn't expect a svn repository -- flat file storage on the server (possibly cloned from an svn, but not direct access) would've been more obvious. |
| 23:18.26 | Lopeppeppy | Must not be "needed" |
| 23:18.34 | Arrowmaster | http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ |
| 23:18.35 | Arrowmaster | http://www.vim.org/ |
| 23:18.37 | Arrowmaster | there |
| 23:18.44 | Beladona | foxlit: I used to generate diffs myself |
| 23:18.46 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: what, no pico? |
| 23:18.50 | Beladona | it was a pita |
| 23:18.51 | NightHawkTheSane | vim is all you need! |
| 23:18.56 | Arrowmaster | fuck no, pico isnt free |
| 23:19.04 | krka | gedit ftw |
| 23:19.08 | Dagmar | That's no reason to inflict emacs on people. |
| 23:19.09 | Beladona | pulling from svn was better, and I can cache the output so that it only has to run the commands one time |
| 23:19.11 | krka | i do all my addon coding in gedit |
| 23:19.12 | foxlit | Really? Well, nano. |
| 23:19.37 | Arrowmaster | he wanted syntax highlighting though, pico/nano dont do that |
| 23:19.38 | NightHawkTheSane | krka: really? |
| 23:19.41 | krka | yes |
| 23:20.05 | Beladona | several of us have pointed him to editors that do |
| 23:20.12 | Beladona | he just doens't want to use them |
| 23:20.22 | Beladona | you can only help the willing |
| 23:20.24 | ScytheBlade1 | (Who is "him"?) |
| 23:20.27 | cbreak | I know gvim, notepad++ and TextWrangler support lua highlighting |
| 23:20.28 | NightHawkTheSane | can we go back to the ban idea? :P |
| 23:20.33 | Arrowmaster | im just waiting for him to say that real programming cant be done in vim or emacs |
| 23:20.39 | mikma | beladona: pong |
| 23:20.53 | Dorkins | every programming lang has some tool for it. |
| 23:20.59 | Beladona | mikma: the file contents should look right now on wowcompares |
| 23:21.03 | cbreak | Arrowmaster: real programmers use sed to write code |
| 23:21.08 | Beladona | working on adding downloads and diffs now |
| 23:21.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Ahh |
| 23:21.14 | Arrowmaster | real programmers use butterflies |
| 23:21.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Let's make this easy then |
| 23:21.18 | ScytheBlade1 | "Lua doesn't" |
| 23:21.20 | krka | NightHawkTheSane: something wrong with gedit? O_o |
| 23:21.20 | cbreak | Dorkins: the tool is called TEXT EDITOR |
| 23:21.21 | ScytheBlade1 | "If you want one, go make it" |
| 23:21.31 | NightHawkTheSane | krka: not at all, i was just surprised. |
| 23:21.33 | mikma | beladona: that is correct. thanks babe! |
| 23:21.37 | krka | why surprised? |
| 23:21.40 | Beladona | ima dude |
| 23:21.44 | Beladona | ;D |
| 23:21.49 | foxlit | Beladona: syntax highlighting would be awesome :) |
| 23:21.54 | Beladona | will do |
| 23:21.55 | krka | dude looks like a lady :/ |
| 23:22.05 | Beladona | downloads and diffs first though foxlit ;D |
| 23:22.20 | foxlit | Are those really that popular? :) |
| 23:22.27 | Beladona | diffs for sure |
| 23:22.28 | krka | i think rikilake wrote like a 7 line javascript to apply lua syntax highlighting |
| 23:22.32 | krka | it was pretty awesome |
| 23:22.40 | krka | *ricilake |
| 23:22.49 | Beladona | have a link krka? |
| 23:22.57 | mikma | beladona: i know, eventho your nick is quite familiar with the famous pornstar! |
| 23:23.06 | foxlit | krka: I was thinking more in terms of geshi, and less in terms of a regex replace. |
| 23:23.08 | krka | not at hand :/ |
| 23:23.14 | Beladona | I was using GeSHi but I am not a fan of it |
| 23:23.32 | Beladona | although it does support line highlighting |
| 23:23.41 | foxlit | Dunno, I like it. |
| 23:23.45 | Beladona | i.e. Path/To/File?line_number |
| 23:23.49 | Arrowmaster | theres also pypgments |
| 23:24.01 | foxlit | Or, at least, I haven't found a case where I'd want something more from it yet. |
| 23:24.35 | Beladona | the biggest issue with GeSHi is time to generate the output. For GlobalStrings.lua especially it takes up to 10 seconds to output the page |
| 23:24.40 | Beladona | which is where caching was necessary |
| 23:24.54 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck |
| 23:24.54 | krka | how many syntax highlighters actually support all of lua? i.e. nested comments |
| 23:25.05 | foxlit | krka: lua doesn't support nested comments. |
| 23:25.06 | Arrowmaster | that file should be simple to to highlight |
| 23:25.14 | Beladona | should be |
| 23:25.17 | Beladona | but its also a huge file |
| 23:25.25 | Beladona | and GeSHi makes it larger |
| 23:25.27 | krka | foxlit: i meant parsing how long a comment is |
| 23:25.33 | krka | it's imposible to do with a regexp atleast |
| 23:25.47 | krka | i suspect many highlighters cheat a bit |
| 23:26.00 | Beladona | if I remember, GeSHi handled nested commends, but I am not positive |
| 23:26.05 | foxlit | krka: It's impossible with regular expressions, but it is possible with regexp :) |
| 23:26.06 | Arrowmaster | a lot fail on --[=[ \n --[==[ \n --]=] \n --]==] |
| 23:26.44 | cbreak | long comments... nasty :) |
| 23:27.06 | Arrowmaster | notice how i ordered it |
| 23:27.11 | Beladona | offtopic: I find out Monday if I got a job in Georgia |
| 23:27.22 | Arrowmaster | so you can change it to ---[=[ \n --[==[ \n --]=] \n --]==] |
| 23:27.22 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: textmate highlights that properly for me. |
| 23:27.24 | Beladona | had 3 interviews with them |
| 23:27.37 | Dorkins | is pissed off. |
| 23:27.39 | cbreak | they aren't in the ebnf :( |
| 23:27.56 | cbreak | don't worry dorkins, it's just because you're too uneducated |
| 23:28.45 | foxlit | But then again, I tweaked that regex. |
| 23:28.45 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: does it highlight properly if you make that change i just did? |
| 23:28.45 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 23:28.45 | Arrowmaster | wow |
| 23:28.45 | Dorkins | its cuz no one will help me by telling me where i can get the tool and the tutorial. |
| 23:28.45 | krka | foxlit: really? you have a regexp that handles it? |
| 23:28.45 | foxlit | krka: In combination with whatever textmate does, sure. |
| 23:28.45 | Arrowmaster | we already did tell you |
| 23:28.45 | Arrowmaster | stop trolling |
| 23:29.06 | foxlit | The only special action on my part is to capture any === and backref them at the closing tag. |
| 23:29.36 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: so you specifically fixed the issue i was referring to? |
| 23:29.54 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: No, I just added support for --[===[ foo |
| 23:30.02 | krka | wow, is Dorkins still convinced that there exists some magical wow addon tool that we are just keeping from him? |
| 23:30.09 | foxlit | I think the default version is blissfully unaware of the = syntax. |
| 23:30.37 | cbreak | Dorkins, you're just too much of a moron to understand what we say |
| 23:30.47 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: scite supports the --[===[ syntax but cant diferentiate --]===] from --]==] |
| 23:31.03 | Dagmar | cbreak: Now now. He's not a moron |
| 23:31.09 | Dagmar | He's just been fed a lot of wrong information |
| 23:31.16 | Arrowmaster | so it stops on the first ]=*] it finds |
| 23:31.26 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: so I suppose it just parses them as COMMENT_BLOCK_END tokens of some sort |
| 23:31.33 | foxlit | TM is a bit smarter. |
| 23:31.44 | cbreak | I apologize to all morons. |
| 23:31.54 | Dagmar | He's been told he's mommy' |
| 23:32.02 | cbreak | of course I did not want to imply any similarity to Dorkins. |
| 23:32.15 | Dagmar | He's been told he's mommy's special little flower who can do no wrong, which is why he's being ornery with people who would otherwise be inclined to help him. |
| 23:32.31 | Dagmar | ...and he's apparently been taught coding by chimpanzees. |
| 23:32.47 | foxlit | While this insult spew-fest is certainly entertaining, can't you simply ignore him rather than continue this line of conversation? |
| 23:32.53 | foxlit | Being civilized, and all that. |
| 23:33.11 | cbreak | it's rare to find someone that bashworthy, sorry |
| 23:33.18 | Dagmar | I say we wait for him to finally go read the website |
| 23:33.35 | Dagmar | Everything else is metaphorically pissing into the wind |
| 23:34.02 | Dagmar | I'm sure his manners will return once his frustration level goes down a bit |
| 23:34.07 | cbreak | maybe we should stop trying to help him |
| 23:34.17 | cbreak | any addon he could possibly write would be potentially harmful anyway |
| 23:34.22 | Beladona | I was going to say, we are beating a dead horse here |
| 23:34.40 | cbreak | I don't even have a dead horse yet :( |
| 23:34.45 | cbreak | farming strat sucks... |
| 23:34.47 | cbreak | so boring |
| 23:34.53 | Arrowmaster | damnit the xp pro key i copied directly off of a computer case at college doesnt work, must be an oem key |
| 23:34.56 | foxlit | cbreak: faction-change to undead :) |
| 23:34.57 | Lopeppeppy | booooring |
| 23:35.02 | foxlit | instant dead horse. |
| 23:35.19 | Dagmar | So work out what's the farthest you can run straight through there without being killed |
| 23:35.37 | foxlit | Curse you, AoE damage caps! |
| 23:35.46 | foxlit | I wiped on Onyxia whelps the night before 3.2 |
| 23:35.55 | Beladona | ugh. This new xbox update is crap |
| 23:36.06 | Beladona | the facebook app is actually annoying to use |
| 23:36.12 | foxlit | (Or was it 3.2.2?) |
| 23:36.29 | Beladona | and the channels are so disorganized now |
| 23:36.37 | Arrowmaster | Beladona: beta or is it out already? |
| 23:36.41 | Beladona | beta |
| 23:36.56 | Arrowmaster | the last update bricked my xbox |
| 23:37.07 | Beladona | They replaced the Video Marketplace with Zune Marketplace, which loads an app kinds like Netflix |
| 23:37.18 | Beladona | nifty, but seems overkill for something you aren't going to spend tons of time in |
| 23:37.31 | Arrowmaster | so im waiting until the 10th to get the new 250gb bundle |
| 23:37.48 | Beladona | oh they have a 250 coming out? |
| 23:38.20 | Arrowmaster | yeah MW2 bundle and a forza3 bundle too i think |
| 23:38.26 | *** join/#wowuidev Kraft (n=Chris@cpc1-cwma7-2-0-cust280.7-3.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 23:38.45 | Beladona | I got rid of cable recently |
| 23:38.56 | Beladona | its easier to download my shows and watch them on my xbox via media center |
| 23:39.10 | Beladona | and cheaper |
| 23:40.08 | cbreak | xbox supports bit torrent? |
| 23:41.07 | *** join/#wowuidev Wobin (n=Wobin@124-170-157-210.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:41.24 | Beladona | lol no |
| 23:41.33 | Tuller | the zune store does 1080p rentals, if i recall |
| 23:41.34 | Beladona | it is an extender |
| 23:41.50 | Beladona | download on pc, use media center on xbox to watch the video |
| 23:42.14 | Beladona | it does Tuller |
| 23:45.21 | foxlit | You know what's worth communicating? Lists of people who are within ~10 yards of you. |
| 23:45.41 | foxlit | aka "Who can I chain heal/wild growth for maximum effect" |
| 23:46.24 | cbreak | chain heal targets have to be within 10 units of you? |
| 23:46.29 | cbreak | not 10 units of what ever you target? |
| 23:46.36 | foxlit | The latter. |
| 23:46.51 | foxlit | But if you knew who's within jumping range of whom, you could figure out who you want to cast at. |
| 23:47.15 | foxlit | It's 10 yards / jump, I think. |
| 23:47.19 | cbreak | no way to get that out of the api |
| 23:47.23 | NightHawkTheSane | that sounds like a pain in the ass thing to calculate |
| 23:47.24 | cbreak | no sanctioned way at least |
| 23:47.33 | Shadowed | It's doable, it's just spammy |
| 23:47.53 | foxlit | cbreak: It's entirely possible; CheckInteractDistance would probably do the trick. |
| 23:48.01 | foxlit | Shadowed: 25 bits per some unit of time. |
| 23:48.05 | cbreak | yes... but you'd have to do that between all people |
| 23:48.12 | cbreak | that's n^2 |
| 23:48.15 | cbreak | although distributed |
| 23:48.19 | foxlit | Just n on each node. |
| 23:48.26 | Shadowed | How do you think bigwigs does it's range checker? :p |
| 23:48.28 | Wobin | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SqhhJb_P3Kk/SuMkbzh40SI/AAAAAAAAJtc/ga08M-WRTsk/s1600-h/two+owls.jpg |
| 23:48.31 | Wobin | o and ya |
| 23:48.34 | Shirik | yawns |
| 23:48.35 | Dorkins | :( |
| 23:48.36 | Shirik | competition over |
| 23:48.39 | Wobin | (in hiding) |
| 23:48.44 | foxlit | sleeping competition? |
| 23:49.12 | cbreak | it's also n^2 communication |
| 23:49.17 | Shadowed | It's just not realistic |
| 23:49.20 | Shirik | programmingcompetition |
| 23:49.21 | Shirik | 24 hour |
| 23:49.44 | foxlit | cbreak: I'd say it's linear. |
| 23:49.45 | NightHawkTheSane | immediatley followed by a 48 hour sleeping competition? |
| 23:49.45 | Shadowed | because the only way you get really accurate data is if every person is running it |
| 23:49.46 | cbreak | so with 25 people in the raid, 625 data nodes |
| 23:50.00 | Shadowed | and any sort of change in who is nearby requires new data to be sent |
| 23:50.05 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: Basically :P |
| 23:50.11 | cbreak | every person has to tell every other person their distance |
| 23:50.20 | Shadowed | actually I suppose, technically |
| 23:50.20 | cbreak | of course, if only you want to know it, it's linear :) |
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| 23:50.28 | Shadowed | you could do it without by using the map |
| 23:50.37 | foxlit | Hey, maps! |
| 23:50.40 | cbreak | can you get the points of the people on the map? |
| 23:50.43 | foxlit | That's even more brilliant. |
| 23:50.45 | Shadowed | you can now |
| 23:50.53 | Shadowed | You just need Astrolab to be setup for it |
| 23:50.57 | foxlit | The complexity concerns are crap anyway. |
| 23:51.04 | cbreak | last time I looked at it, it required reading out of the gpu memory |
| 23:51.08 | foxlit | 25 bits == 4 bytes. |
| 23:51.25 | Shadowed | It's still sending a lot of mostly junk data into the comm channel for your idea :p |
| 23:51.31 | Shadowed | for an addon that really doesn't do that much |
| 23:51.33 | foxlit | ~16 bytes from 25 players per some unit time = 400 bytes per unit time. |
| 23:52.21 | Shadowed | But anyway, Astrolab is the smarter way to go and doesn't rely on everyone to use it to be useful |
| 23:52.41 | cbreak | what's astrolab? |
| 23:52.43 | foxlit | Symmetry and raid positioning mechanics both reduce the amount of messages needed, so it's entirely in the realm of managable. |
| 23:52.53 | foxlit | Tbh, Astrolabe is overkill. |
| 23:52.54 | Shadowed | Again, it's useless data still |
| 23:53.23 | foxlit | It's useful to someone :) |
| 23:53.32 | Shadowed | It's useful for two people out of 25 |
| 23:53.45 | foxlit | I'd say closer to 5, but that isn't really that interesting. |
| 23:53.46 | Shadowed | It's simply a flawed way to design it |
| 23:54.04 | Dorkins | sighs |
| 23:54.20 | foxlit | Agreed. However, "meh" flawed, not "zomgstopthat" flawed :) |
| 23:54.21 | Shadowed | You want something that only a few are going to find useful to be ran by more than just those... and if others don't run it, it's not even that useful to the few |
| 23:54.32 | Shadowed | No just that Astrolabe is by far your best bet |
| 23:54.44 | Shadowed | because you don't have to worry multiple people using it |
| 23:54.46 | foxlit | I'm not embedding a scaling data library. |
| 23:54.58 | foxlit | When that can so easily be computed when I need it. |
| 23:55.19 | Shadowed | Then go build it yourself, but comm data is a bad way to do it |
| 23:55.55 | foxlit | It's not mutually exclusive: you can use the map without using astrolabe, you know :) |
| 23:56.04 | Shadowed | I'm using Astrolabe as a general example |
| 23:56.33 | Shadowed | It doesn't really matter what you use to calculate it just do it through the map |
| 23:57.15 | Lopeppeppy | Wow, Stargate Universe is... just jumping so many sharks. |
| 23:58.02 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd say dont spoil this week's episode.. but meh.. it really did jump the shark so badly i dont even care |
| 23:59.55 | Lopeppeppy | it's been jumping sharks since day 1. |
