| 00:00.28 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, i wish these people were that young....but no |
| 00:00.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: round up |
| 00:00.36 | Dagmar | Codayus_: I'm not bothered by them. |
| 00:00.45 | Dagmar | I laugh and laugh at their miserable little plight. |
| 00:00.55 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, i know, but it still irks me |
| 00:01.00 | Dagmar | You know what stops people saying "Looking for someone to make me epic axe of leetness" over and over? |
| 00:01.20 | Thunder_Child | they sound stupid? |
| 00:01.21 | Dagmar | Them saying "Looking for someone to make me an epic axe of leetness, and there's 200g in it for ya" just once |
| 00:01.23 | Codayus_ | Thunder_Child: If there's no zero option, then clearly 1 year means up to 12 months, so 2 means up to 24, 3 means up to 36... So 2.5 years would be 3-5. It's like getting all confused about whether midnight is AM or PM, or something. :-) |
| 00:01.40 | Dagmar | You offer a competitive amount of money up front and someone will come running to make it for you |
| 00:01.44 | Codayus_ | Heh |
| 00:01.54 | Thunder_Child | Codayus_, there is a 0 option :( |
| 00:01.54 | ArrowmasterClass | Codayus_: AM |
| 00:01.58 | Dagmar | If you're *not* offering that, then we know, just as up front, you intend to say "Thanks, chump!" and logout |
| 00:02.30 | Codayus_ | Thunder_Child: Well, unless in context it means "have never done this", then clearly 1 year means over 12 months, 2 means over 24, and 3 means over 36, so 2.5 would be 1-2. *shrug* Logic, no? |
| 00:02.33 | Dagmar | I've had people ask me if I pay them if I get a skillup |
| 00:02.40 | Dagmar | ...and they want a 450 pattern made. |
| 00:02.58 | Thunder_Child | Codayus_, it does mean "I have never done this" |
| 00:03.17 | Codayus_ | I always tip well for mage portals, and always had trouble getting mages to respond until it dawned on me that just offering 10g in the request would cut my wait time from "a couple minutes" to "3 group invites in 6 seconds from mages trying to get the money first". |
| 00:03.29 | *** join/#wowuidev theorb (n=theorb@91.84.53.6) |
| 00:03.35 | Dagmar | Codayus_: It's more fun filling them out when you can ask whether or not the statute of limitations applies |
| 00:03.45 | ZorbaTHut | I've started asking money per click. "can someone link BS", sure, done. "alright here's what I want" whoa whoa back up. 5g per item type, 10g per trade, premiums for rare recipes, bring your own mats, my time is valuable. |
| 00:03.55 | Dagmar | "Oh... You mean use of a system I was supposed to be in? Ah, just a year then" |
| 00:04.08 | ZorbaTHut | you want a full set of tempered saronite, yeah sure, I'll give ya a discount |
| 00:04.36 | ZorbaTHut | you want a full set of tempered saronite and you want to give me mats one item at a time so I can't steal them? that will be 15g per piece thank you very much |
| 00:04.43 | Codayus_ | I find *everyone* tips me 10g per cut for epic gems. Which is...kinda low, really. |
| 00:05.02 | DWSR | not really. =\ |
| 00:05.03 | ZorbaTHut | codayus, I dunno, you can make that up in bulk pretty dang fast |
| 00:05.04 | Dagmar | Are those cooldown based in some way? |
| 00:05.04 | DWSR | You pressed 1 button |
| 00:05.07 | DWSR | No. |
| 00:05.24 | Dagmar | Cooldowns cost 100-200g imho |
| 00:05.31 | Codayus_ | I make 10 times that buying a gem off the AH, cutting it, and relisting it. |
| 00:05.33 | ZorbaTHut | you don't generally see much more than 30g markup on the AH, and this way you're not even taking a risk |
| 00:05.39 | ZorbaTHut | man your AH must suck ;) |
| 00:05.46 | ZorbaTHut | (or mine does) |
| 00:05.57 | Dagmar | Mine works pretty well |
| 00:06.09 | Dagmar | You stay in the 15-25% profit range and people just buy the stuff |
| 00:06.15 | p3lim | anyone here know about some vehicle that you can use for pre-80 characters? (78 specifically) except for BG ofcourse |
| 00:06.35 | p3lim | need to test some stuff but my alt that i need to test it on aint 80 |
| 00:06.54 | Dagmar | p3lim: The tourament mounts |
| 00:06.57 | Codayus_ | Okay, 10 times is an exageration. Margins are more like...20-80g. And since I have my choice of gems to buy and cut, I tend towards the high end of the market, so my average margin is maybe...5 times what I'd get cutting gems for tips, not 10. |
| 00:06.57 | DWSR | Drakes for the daily near Occulus. |
| 00:07.07 | p3lim | DWSR: requires lvl 80 |
| 00:07.20 | p3lim | Dagmar: thanks, completely forgot that one |
| 00:07.24 | ArrowmasterClass | wyrmrest temple |
| 00:07.32 | ZorbaTHut | codayus, on the other hand, it's an investment and a risk that way. whereas if you're just bumming out at the bank and some dude says "hey cut gem plz" there's no risk |
| 00:07.39 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 00:07.45 | DWSR | R/R. |
| 00:08.09 | Codayus_ | ZorbaTHut: Yeah, if I see people begging on trade and I'm just hanging out in Dalaran anyhow I cut gems. But really, there's negligible risk in the epic gem market on my server. |
| 00:08.29 | p3lim | Arrowmaster: doesnt that require lvl 80 like the colarra one? |
| 00:08.36 | Antiarc | What's that addon that gives you guides on-screen for aligning UI elements? |
| 00:08.41 | DWSR | Alig |
| 00:08.46 | DWSR | align* |
| 00:08.47 | Antiarc | Durrr |
| 00:08.48 | Antiarc | I knew that |
| 00:08.52 | Codayus_ | Prices are volative, but stable for stuff like runed gems. |
| 00:09.14 | Shirik | Lua gurus: Totally random question |
| 00:09.25 | p3lim | Arrowmaster: nvm, found out, its 71 minimum :D |
| 00:09.28 | Jerub | I tip 10% of the value of the items I've crafted. |
| 00:09.44 | Jerub | so when i got 20 runescrolls of fort done the other night, i gave the dude 15g |
| 00:09.44 | Shirik | let us assume that you were able to, as a single Lua opcode, access a single element from the vararg list ... by an index i |
| 00:09.55 | Shirik | What would you make as a syntax for this operation? |
| 00:10.12 | Antiarc | ...[i] |
| 00:10.16 | Shirik | There are two current proposals: ...[i] and @i |
| 00:10.26 | Shirik | ...[i] is in fact currently illegal, but can potentially be confusing |
| 00:10.32 | Antiarc | ...[i] is more intuitive, IMO |
| 00:10.33 | Shirik | because (...)[i] is already valid syntax |
| 00:10.41 | Dagmar | @! |
| 00:10.43 | Shirik | and would mean something completely different |
| 00:11.02 | Antiarc | $i would work similar to PCRE backreferences |
| 00:11.04 | Shirik | ...[i] also has the possibility of being more difficult to parse |
| 00:11.06 | Antiarc | Which is relatively well-understood |
| 00:11.18 | Antiarc | What, are you writing a Lua lexer or somethign? |
| 00:11.26 | ZorbaTHut | ...[i] is what I'd choose |
| 00:11.30 | Shirik | If I make this modification I'm goin to have to modify Lua's lexer yes |
| 00:11.35 | ZorbaTHut | I think it's what I automatically tried the first time |
| 00:11.54 | Shirik | ...[i] does make sense |
| 00:12.04 | Shirik | the only thing I have against it is the discrepancy between (...)[i] and ...[i] |
| 00:12.34 | Shirik | @i doesn't have this discrepancy, but suffers from two other problems |
| 00:12.40 | Shirik | (1) it's not very intuitive |
| 00:12.51 | Shirik | (2) complex indexes (like i+j) are more difficult to represent |
| 00:13.01 | Jerub | Shirik: uh, shouldn't you be able to do this as an optimiation on the parse tree. |
| 00:13.23 | Thunder_Child | well this is an odd image for the middle of a major road http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=34.051148,-118.376119&spn=0,359.972126&z=16&layer=c&cbll=34.051233,-118.376115&panoid=8IQOuWHgEmOfGMfyMFTStQ&cbp=12,181.17,,0,9.2 |
| 00:13.23 | Shirik | Not only does Lua not optimize, there is no opcode presently to be able to handle this |
| 00:13.30 | Shirik | It's very easy to do in C |
| 00:13.41 | Shirik | but there's no direct relationship to VM bytecodes |
| 00:13.55 | DWSR | Awesome. |
| 00:13.58 | ZorbaTHut | what's the difference between (...)[i] and ...[i]? |
| 00:14.02 | DWSR | Got picked up for a guild run heroic daily. |
| 00:14.08 | DWSR | And one of the DPS is AFK. |
| 00:14.10 | DWSR | =\ |
| 00:14.14 | DWSR | And they won't kick him. |
| 00:14.31 | Shirik | (...)[i] is already valid syntax and takes the first element in ... and indexes it at i. I refuse to make a backwards-incompatible change. |
| 00:14.33 | Sesshu| | poor dwsr |
| 00:14.49 | Dagmar | Was it the healer? |
| 00:14.51 | ZorbaTHut | ah, right |
| 00:15.01 | Dagmar | Do you really _need_ five people to do those anymore? |
| 00:15.22 | ZorbaTHut | that's one thing I'm not entirely a fan of - Lua's somewhat odd behavior with multiple-value things |
| 00:15.48 | Codayus_ | Thunder_Child: Heh, guess the google camera crew decided to stop and get some lunch. |
| 00:15.54 | DWSR | You only NEED 2. |
| 00:15.56 | kd3 | one of these days I'm going to copy over to the PTR with a stack of a stack of elixir of dream vision |
| 00:15.59 | DWSR | But I don't like people ninja AFKing. |
| 00:16.41 | DWSR | esp. since it's VH and they've been AFK the whole run so far. |
| 00:17.26 | Jerub | man, VH |
| 00:17.38 | Adys | Okay |
| 00:17.42 | Jerub | I've done a VH where i used exactly 1 hot per trash portal. |
| 00:17.50 | Adys | who in this channel ever looked up in the scribe building in dalaran? |
| 00:17.52 | Sesshu| | vh?! |
| 00:17.54 | ZorbaTHut | I hate VH |
| 00:17.56 | ZorbaTHut | it's so painfully slow |
| 00:17.59 | Codayus_ | Adys: It's WIN |
| 00:17.59 | ZorbaTHut | adys, it's awesome :D |
| 00:18.21 | Thunder_Child | Adys, i only look up dresses |
| 00:18.27 | Jerub | the absolute worst part of VH is that if you tragically manage to die on any fight, the whole thing has to be done again |
| 00:18.28 | Codayus_ | Dalaran is the best capital city Bliz has ever done. There are many reasons for this, but the scribe building is fairly high on the list. |
| 00:18.44 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, dalaran is pretty sweet |
| 00:18.48 | ZorbaTHut | at least if your computer can handle it |
| 00:18.52 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 00:18.56 | Adys | No ZorbaTHut |
| 00:19.01 | DWSR | It could have been done much better in that respect. |
| 00:19.02 | Sesshu| | i want to fly in dalaran |
| 00:19.02 | Adys | people were saying the same of IF years ago |
| 00:19.04 | kd3 | holy hell that's a lot of books |
| 00:19.09 | Sesshu| | that would be real fun |
| 00:19.10 | Adys | and they said the same again in Shattrath |
| 00:19.11 | Codayus_ | Heh |
| 00:19.20 | kd3 | shattrath was a pain |
| 00:19.23 | ZorbaTHut | and . . . it's still true? :P |
| 00:19.28 | Adys | yes |
| 00:19.28 | kd3 | 3 levels instead of 1? fail |
| 00:19.31 | Adys | but its not a graphic problem |
| 00:19.40 | Codayus_ | If you hang around in Dalaran long enough, a Kirin Tor mage NPC wanders around zapping each street light to light it. |
| 00:19.54 | Adys | yeh Dalaran is a real capital |
| 00:19.58 | Pneumatus | and then manabonks you :< |
| 00:20.05 | Codayus_ | I also saw an NPC wander into a weapons store and buy a new staff - you could see the model change. |
| 00:20.07 | Adys | its not the same dude |
| 00:20.18 | Adys | Codayus_: yeah there are npcs training spells sometimes too |
| 00:20.20 | Pneumatus | ive never seen the mage that manabonks |
| 00:20.27 | Pneumatus | ive just had the mail several times |
| 00:20.33 | Adys | he bonked you while you were afk |
| 00:20.35 | Adys | :P |
| 00:20.49 | Pneumatus | several times :< |
| 00:20.57 | ZorbaTHut | at one point I had a manabonk wand and two more in the bank |
| 00:21.03 | Adys | but yeah |
| 00:21.03 | ZorbaTHut | I ended up chain-using them on a friend of mine :D |
| 00:21.05 | Adys | dalaran is alive |
| 00:21.09 | Codayus_ | *nod* |
| 00:21.20 | Sesshu| | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=32838 |
| 00:21.22 | kd3 | hopefully they'll learn from dalaran when they fix the old world cities |
| 00:21.24 | Lopeppeppy | No disassemble Johnny 5. Johnny 5 is alive! |
| 00:21.32 | Codayus_ | kd3: God, I hope so. |
| 00:21.36 | Adys | improved blink |
| 00:21.37 | Adys | rofl |
| 00:21.38 | ZorbaTHut | funny that he's so localized |
| 00:21.39 | Adys | I want that |
| 00:22.11 | Codayus_ | (I believe that they were planning on having better capital cities but only got part way through doing Stormwind on the alliance side and...Org on horde, IIRC, before having to cut back to ship. |
| 00:22.55 | Codayus_ | Which is why Stormwind has side quests, NPCs wandering around, random chatter, minipet vendors, an instance, etc., and IF and Darnassus didn't. *shrug* Can't confirm, but it'd make sense.) |
| 00:23.14 | kd3 | "Buy some freshly baked bread!" in IF doesn't count? |
| 00:23.18 | Codayus_ | kd3: No. |
| 00:23.22 | Lopeppeppy | IF has the old city underneath, rawr! |
| 00:23.25 | Adys | GIMME MY DOLLY |
| 00:23.32 | Shirik | ZorbaTHut: And that's just it |
| 00:23.38 | Adys | hope we'll see some of old if in cata |
| 00:23.39 | Shirik | Lua has the inherent capability to access anything in that list |
| 00:23.42 | Lopeppeppy | Darnassus feels the most incomplete of the three. |
| 00:23.43 | Shirik | it's just a location on the stack |
| 00:23.47 | Shirik | it just chooses not to for some reason |
| 00:24.02 | Codayus_ | Not compared to the veterans wandering around arguing about old fights, the school group on a tour, the kids arguing about dolls, the people swapping fish stories, the mages working on some sort of ultra-complicated love spell, etc., etc.,. |
| 00:24.09 | Shirik | Hell, I could add that syntax and not even add a new Lua opcode and make it compile |
| 00:24.12 | Shirik | but it would compile unsafely |
| 00:24.19 | Shirik | a new opcode is required to make it safe |
| 00:25.56 | Adys | See I believe one of the major problems people cant enjoy the graphic aspects of wow is the interface |
| 00:26.30 | Adys | i sometimes bring up Edge of Chaos which was an amazingly designed game for its time (still is) |
| 00:26.57 | Adys | but it also had these mechanics that would drop you in UI-less cinematic very often |
| 00:27.08 | Dagmar | How was the voice acting? |
| 00:27.14 | Adys | totally shit |
| 00:27.20 | Adys | but thats not the point |
| 00:27.26 | Shirik | Adys, Aion is like that :) |
| 00:27.28 | Adys | you could choose between hub+ui, ui only and ui-less interface |
| 00:27.41 | Dagmar | Shirik: You should see the cinematics in Champions Online |
| 00:27.41 | Adys | and playing without the UI had a lot of benefits |
| 00:27.51 | Shirik | in fact |
| 00:27.58 | Shirik | if you know your keys well, you could play the entire game without the UI |
| 00:28.04 | Dagmar | I swear to god whoever did the intro to Monster Island Crisis just got done watching a David Lynch marathon |
| 00:28.06 | Adys | you cant |
| 00:28.06 | Shirik | any "decisions" that occur will show up on your screen |
| 00:28.16 | Shirik | I'm talking about Aion, not wow |
| 00:28.19 | Dagmar | His tone of voice literally had *nothing* to do with what he was saying |
| 00:28.37 | Adys | right |
| 00:29.20 | Shirik | Dagmar: My statement was actually at "drops you in cinematic very often" not "voice acting was totally shit" |
| 00:29.26 | Shirik | well not often |
| 00:29.29 | Shirik | occasionally |
| 00:29.46 | Adys | EoC was literally every quest |
| 00:29.49 | ZorbaTHut | I still think TB is the prettiest city in the game |
| 00:29.54 | ZorbaTHut | annoying, but beautiful |
| 00:29.56 | Adys | granted, there was only a hundred or so quests |
| 00:30.04 | Dagmar | This is why they're blowin' it up! :) |
| 00:30.06 | Shirik | Basically, cinematics for every "major quest" (which they call campaigns, which are about 1 per level) |
| 00:30.12 | Dagmar | No more goin' down to CowTown! |
| 00:30.19 | Adys | how often in wow |
| 00:30.24 | Adys | i wished it could drop in cinematic mode |
| 00:30.34 | Shirik | I'm aware of 1 quest cinematic in wow |
| 00:30.36 | Shirik | is that right? |
| 00:30.40 | Adys | two |
| 00:30.45 | ZorbaTHut | I didn't know TB was getting blown up, I thought only Stormwind was |
| 00:30.46 | Shirik | wrathgate and? |
| 00:30.50 | Adys | tower of azora |
| 00:30.51 | Adys | :P |
| 00:31.03 | Sesshu| | tower of azora? |
| 00:31.06 | Adys | actually |
| 00:31.08 | ZorbaTHut | er, only Orgrimmar was |
| 00:31.08 | Adys | theres three |
| 00:31.10 | ZorbaTHut | dur |
| 00:31.15 | Adys | theres this one in magister terrace too |
| 00:31.29 | Lopeppeppy | It's that tower out in Red Ridge, |
| 00:31.30 | Adys | the mechanics are there |
| 00:31.38 | Codayus_ | Tower of Azora is so random. |
| 00:31.40 | Adys | yeah theres a quest for retaking the tower of azora |
| 00:31.50 | Adys | Codayus_: its the ONLY quest with a cinematic |
| 00:31.56 | mikma | scytheblade1: punishing stupid teammates, priceless. |
| 00:32.10 | Adys | but see |
| 00:32.25 | Thunder_Child | Adys, what about the one in northrend? |
| 00:32.27 | Adys | the sunwell orb is a VERY good example of what cinematic interludes should be like |
| 00:32.32 | Adys | Shirik said that |
| 00:32.42 | Codayus_ | Further evidence of the idea that they were further ahead in developing Stormwind when they had to cut back... |
| 00:32.42 | Adys | i didnt like bc at all |
| 00:32.47 | Adys | i didnt like sunwell&co at ALL |
| 00:32.47 | Thunder_Child | oh, hah, just jumped in |
| 00:32.52 | Lopeppeppy | ttfn, everypeople. |
| 00:32.54 | Adys | but you gotta admit the orb is pretty fucking epic |
| 00:32.56 | Adys | night lop |
| 00:33.04 | Codayus_ | Since the Tower of Azora is in human lands. |
| 00:33.20 | Adys | no i doubt its related at all Codayus_ |
| 00:33.37 | Sesshu| | would someone explain me what the tower of azora is? |
| 00:33.38 | Codayus_ | *shrug* Well, okay, maybe not. |
| 00:33.45 | Dagmar | It's a tower. |
| 00:33.54 | Adys | Sesshu|: Tower of Azora is a mage tower in Elwynn |
| 00:33.59 | Dagmar | It contains a MacGuffin you spy on. |
| 00:34.06 | Codayus_ | Sesshu|: Human/aliance quest involing Elwynn and Redridge....yeah. |
| 00:34.17 | Sesshu| | uhm |
| 00:34.31 | Sesshu| | never did that quest then |
| 00:34.31 | Adys | in that tower theres a mage that tells you that his sister or what not took evil control of a similar tower in redridge |
| 00:34.38 | Adys | and you look through some sort of orb |
| 00:34.48 | Adys | which shows you the tower |
| 00:35.03 | kd3 | the only in-game cinematic until... oh... wrath? |
| 00:35.12 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/A_Watchful_Eye/ |
| 00:35.13 | Dagmar | I could swear at some point you wind up spying on the Tower of Azora as well |
| 00:35.20 | Adys | kd3: there *is* the sunwell one too |
| 00:35.27 | Adys | Dagmar: nah they're just near identical |
| 00:35.28 | Codayus_ | kd3: Next was in the 5 man sunwell dungeon, then yeah, Wrath. |
| 00:35.38 | Codayus_ | One per expansion, I guess. >.> |
| 00:35.44 | Adys | lol |
| 00:35.44 | Sesshu| | k thanks |
| 00:36.04 | Codayus_ | But yeah, it's a mechanic they should use more. |
| 00:36.10 | Codayus_ | The whole "show don't tell" thing. |
| 00:36.12 | Shirik | Adys, I said what? |
| 00:36.26 | Adys | Shiibot: Whitetooth rathgate |
| 00:36.28 | Adys | wtf. |
| 00:36.39 | DWSR | lol |
| 00:36.55 | Adys | Codayus_: it doesnt actually cost much either |
| 00:37.07 | Adys | a camerapath file is about 1-2kb |
| 00:37.18 | Codayus_ | Not that I don't like reading long quest descriptions, but A) lots of people don't and B) it's often just a better way to advance the plot |
| 00:37.45 | Adys | its probably harder to actually make the path without screwing something up |
| 00:37.47 | Adys | but yeah they should use it a lot more |
| 00:37.54 | Thunder_Child | they should however give you an option to launch the cinematic though |
| 00:37.55 | Adys | hear that blizz? whatever you did to mages after last week. |
| 00:38.07 | Adys | Thunder_Child: wuwat? |
| 00:38.25 | Thunder_Child | Adys, i hate that it simply starts up |
| 00:38.30 | Adys | why? |
| 00:38.34 | Adys | hit escape |
| 00:38.36 | Adys | there you are |
| 00:38.39 | Thunder_Child | gives great issues in windowed mode |
| 00:38.46 | Adys | .. Im in windowed mode |
| 00:38.47 | Pneumatus | i hate getting spotify rickrolled :< |
| 00:38.52 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 00:39.03 | DWSR | lol Pneumatus |
| 00:39.09 | Thunder_Child | and the first time i did it, i wasnt sure if i could re watch it so i sat there even when i didnt want to |
| 00:39.33 | Sesshu| | im in fullscreen windowd mode |
| 00:39.35 | Sesshu| | ! |
| 00:39.50 | Thunder_Child | besides Adys, i dont see what the big problem is giving options |
| 00:39.54 | ZorbaTHut | thunder, the first time I tried to see it, it crashed :D |
| 00:40.03 | Adys | fun, youtube changed the player controls |
| 00:40.08 | Adys | Thunder_Child: its annoying |
| 00:40.16 | Thunder_Child | yes Adys, EXACLTY! |
| 00:40.20 | Adys | popup dialogs are annoying |
| 00:40.24 | Codayus_ | Superfluous options are a design problem. |
| 00:40.40 | Thunder_Child | who said there, maybe an option in the options to not even start them |
| 00:40.45 | Codayus_ | (Proof: See almost any GUI from a random open source project. >.>) |
| 00:40.59 | ZorbaTHut | codayus, amen |
| 00:40.59 | Adys | Proof: look at firefox |
| 00:41.10 | Adys | and then look at chrome |
| 00:41.31 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 00:41.31 | Codayus_ | "The program should do X!" "No, Y!" "Okay, we'll just make it an option." Repeat until it's no longer usable, fork the project, start over. |
| 00:41.33 | ArrowmasterClass | Codayus_: go look at gnome, theyve hidden all the damn options |
| 00:41.34 | Adys | I have to admit this whole "click on a link to just download it" thing is.. weird |
| 00:42.19 | ZorbaTHut | codayus, it's more of a constant sine wave |
| 00:42.20 | Adys | but I got used to it |
| 00:42.29 | Adys | and now i cant stand firefox's annoying dialogs |
| 00:42.33 | ZorbaTHut | repeat until it's not usable, fork project, say "this time we're going to do it right and not provide options for everything" |
| 00:42.37 | Pneumatus | whats a decent addon to watch SnD to ensure its up all the time? |
| 00:42.43 | Adys | its not like Im ever going to hit something else than OK |
| 00:42.45 | ZorbaTHut | rule with iron fist, customized precisely to the needs of the main developers and nobody else |
| 00:42.53 | ZorbaTHut | fork project, "this time we'll add options so real people can use it!" |
| 00:42.57 | ZorbaTHut | repeat ad nauseum |
| 00:44.06 | Adys | i should write a book on ui design some time |
| 00:44.15 | Adys | its not an area where there is a lot of material to go with |
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| 00:44.31 | Codayus_ | ZorbaTHut: Heh, good point. |
| 00:44.36 | Dagmar | Weirdly, what there is is *really8 detailed |
| 00:44.49 | Codayus_ | I know at least for a while the Blender project made it a point of pride to NOT allow you to change hotkeys. |
| 00:44.58 | Dagmar | Adys: I lucked out and my otherwise completely crap college had no less than five small books on the subject |
| 00:45.03 | ZorbaTHut | I'm sort of fighting with this on QH, some people want a lot more customizability than I really really want to provide |
| 00:45.09 | ZorbaTHut | but I have to admit some of their requests aren't that bad |
| 00:45.09 | Dagmar | ...which is three more than I've ever seen in any one place. |
| 00:45.20 | ZorbaTHut | so . . . we'll see |
| 00:45.22 | Dagmar | Granted, one was about indusstrial controls and safety |
| 00:45.23 | Codayus_ | You could get horribly flamed by developers for suggesting it on their forums, because their interface was GREAT, and if you weren't STUPID you would just learn to use it. You 'tard. |
| 00:45.27 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: So start charging a design fee? :P |
| 00:45.36 | Adys | that doesnt help with design decisions |
| 00:45.38 | Codayus_ | I believe the next version of Blender is slated to allow customizable hotkeys. :-) |
| 00:45.39 | ZorbaTHut | if you notice the curse homepage, I basically am right now ;) |
| 00:45.51 | Adys | "Pay me a hundred bucks and Ill make the addon shit" |
| 00:45.51 | Adys | :P |
| 00:46.10 | Adys | although to be fair most of the time it feels that there is no actual *need* of interface design material |
| 00:46.15 | Adys | because things are so fucking obvious |
| 00:46.36 | Adys | but i get told they're not |
| 00:46.39 | Adys | shudders |
| 00:48.47 | Shirik | oh that's nice |
| 00:49.07 | Shirik | I type the number "46" in an edit box and the first thing that shows up in chrome is my credit card number |
| 00:49.28 | Adys | screenshot? |
| 00:49.31 | Shirik | noty |
| 00:49.39 | Dagmar | Time to send some nastygrams to web developers |
| 00:49.57 | Dagmar | ...and I do mean website developers |
| 00:50.12 | Dagmar | There's a particular attribute you are ALWAYS supposed to add to any field that would accept a CC number. |
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| 00:50.28 | Dagmar | It was _required_ by the banking industry before they'd even consider setting up an SSL site |
| 00:50.46 | Dagmar | It's specifically to tell the browser "DON'T f**king cache this ever!" |
| 00:56.15 | Dagmar | ...at the very least they need to disable autocomplete for that field. |
| 00:56.36 | Shirik | I would prefer that Chrome is not aware of my personal information :P |
| 00:56.49 | Shirik | (i.e. the instruction that the field should not be remembered) |
| 00:57.29 | Dagmar | So, at some point you put your credit card into a site which uses the same field name as what you were just typing into, and they didn't disable autocomplete |
| 00:58.42 | Dagmar | Page #24 here http://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-usa-06/BH-US-06-Benninger.pdf |
| 01:00.07 | Dagmar | Pizza Hut won't listen to me. |
| 01:00.10 | Dagmar | I don't buy from them. |
| 01:00.25 | Dagmar | ...and sooner or later someone's going to get bored enough to publicly embarass them |
| 01:00.34 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, so you have a visa |
| 01:00.39 | Shirik | affirmative |
| 01:00.47 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: man, how much customisation od you need with QH. It's like, two window positions, and an 'off' button. |
| 01:00.51 | Dagmar | Until then, criminals will just have to settle for rifling through people's autocompletion cache |
| 01:00.57 | Dagmar | ...which happens |
| 01:01.04 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, a lot of it is focused around customizing the tracker |
| 01:01.13 | ZorbaTHut | different fonts, different justification options, etc |
| 01:01.36 | Dagmar | Ah just leave clean hooks for Fontaine to see and call it a day. ;) |
| 01:01.40 | Adys | Different fonts for example is something that should be set game-wide |
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| 01:02.26 | Shirik | is autocomplete="off" actually an HTML standard tag? |
| 01:02.35 | Adys | yes |
| 01:02.48 | Dagmar | It's there for a reason. |
| 01:02.52 | Dagmar | It's not just to annoy users. |
| 01:03.15 | Thunder_Child | which it does |
| 01:03.18 | Dagmar | It's to provide banking and ecommerce sites a way to prevent passwords and so on from being cached by the browser. |
| 01:03.30 | Dagmar | ...because they'll be cached in plaintext. |
| 01:04.02 | Dagmar | That having been said, if you pick a random person's browser data and riffle through it, you'll find such information rather distressingly often. |
| 01:04.12 | Codayus_ | Dagmar: Are you SURE? I thought it was a non-standard IE only thing. |
| 01:04.19 | Dagmar | 'cuz f**kers like Pizza Hut just won't listen to reason |
| 01:04.22 | Adys | its not |
| 01:04.32 | Codayus_ | Hrm. Link to a spec? |
| 01:04.52 | NightHawkTheSane | im not sure if its part of the standard |
| 01:04.57 | Jerub | a friend of mine does forensics for the australian feds, and they have tools that automatically trawl through such information. |
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| 01:04.59 | NightHawkTheSane | but more than just ie supports it |
| 01:05.28 | Dagmar | Look at the Blackhat presentation |
| 01:05.43 | Dagmar | Clearly, since this has been in browsers since freaking Netscape, the spec isn't getting through to peopel. |
| 01:05.52 | Codayus_ | *nod* But support beyond IE is, IIRC, patchy. And I don't think HTML with autocomplete even validates? |
| 01:06.10 | Adys | ah sorry |
| 01:06.13 | Adys | its not standard |
| 01:06.16 | Adys | but it will be in html5 |
| 01:06.35 | Codayus_ | Sounds right. |
| 01:06.45 | Codayus_ | (Sadly.) |
| 01:07.12 | Adys | it doesnt matter |
| 01:07.17 | Adys | every browser has 100% support for it |
| 01:07.30 | Codayus_ | Fair enough. |
| 01:08.42 | Dagmar | I'm serious about banks refusing to set up SSL sites without that |
| 01:08.58 | Adys | thats very normal |
| 01:09.17 | Dagmar | Pfft. I'd call it suprising, personally. |
| 01:09.35 | Dagmar | Visa seldom bothers to do much aside from grumble at their larger vendors. |
| 01:09.36 | Adys | why? |
| 01:10.03 | Dagmar | They've got this whole giant architecture of what companies are supposed to do with sensitive customer data, and it's _seldom_ followed. |
| 01:10.23 | Dagmar | Most of the time you find out that the people who built the entire sales site only found out about it _after_ the entire site was built. |
| 01:10.45 | Dagmar | Then they act like it's going to cost a freaking fortune just to sanitize all the credit card numbers from the machines |
| 01:11.19 | Dagmar | ...and yet this is how a simple breach turns into criminals getting their hands on the CC information of everyone whose done business with a company in the last four yars. |
| 01:12.30 | Dagmar | ...and ISPs that have to email _all_ their customers telling them that their payment data has been compromised. |
| 01:13.15 | Dagmar | I know one ISP who had a compromise that they reported as (IIRC) 3,874 accounts compromised. |
| 01:13.27 | Dagmar | They had 3,910 customers. |
| 01:13.52 | Dagmar | The difference being that those remaining people were either free accounts or people who were mailing in checks out of (quite justifiable) paranoia. |
| 01:14.32 | Dagmar | but you know, it sounds a lot better when it's "only" 3,874 accounts as opposed to "99% of our paying userbase, including your grandmother" |
| 01:14.39 | Lukian | all I can say is thank god we have 'zero liability' policies protecting our cc numbers |
| 01:15.16 | Dagmar | I keep waiting for this fla.vor.us company to try my patience again |
| 01:15.32 | Dagmar | I know they're violating the rules |
| 01:15.54 | Dagmar | You buy tickets to a show online, they collect your PIN code. |
| 01:16.13 | Dagmar | They _also_ try to get you to fill out a digital "signature" app, telling you to sign your name in it using the mouse. |
| 01:16.51 | Lukian | umm that's not how you sign stuff digitally lol |
| 01:16.51 | ArrowmasterClass | lol |
| 01:16.53 | Dagmar | ADA guidlines notwithstanding, you're not supposed to collect more than one signature, PIN, or CVV number. |
| 01:17.06 | Dagmar | Yeah teh first two times they didn't do anything with it |
| 01:17.10 | Lukian | you aren't permitted to store ccv numbers |
| 01:17.17 | Dagmar | So I'm like, great, my scribble is stored somewhere for someone to print out |
| 01:17.24 | Dagmar | ...only to find out they're not doing it |
| 01:17.40 | Dagmar | At a later show they gave me a little crap becasue I drew a flower and they actually printed it out |
| 01:18.19 | Dagmar | They smarmily asked me to sign something, I drew another flower, and to be a d**k I drew a tulip |
| 01:18.26 | Dagmar | ...not a daisy. |
| 01:18.55 | ArrowmasterClass | should have put an X |
| 01:19.08 | Dagmar | The very last time I dealt with them I think I went a bit too far. I drew a highly detailed picture of human male genitalia in a turgid state. |
| 01:19.21 | ArrowmasterClass | haha |
| 01:19.25 | Dagmar | The woman took my card to look at it and check the list, facepalmed, handed it back to me. |
| 01:19.42 | Dagmar | So um, for the ATB show tomorrow, I just wrote "LOL" in the box |
| 01:19.44 | Shadowed | Dagmar: sounds like you are popular there |
| 01:20.14 | Dagmar | Shadowed: It's held in certain circles that if you have to deal with me because I've drawn your attention, you'll probably be better off just letting me do my thing |
| 01:20.26 | Dagmar | I troll real people and companies. |
| 01:20.34 | Dagmar | Trolling forums are for cowards. |
| 01:20.37 | DWSR | Dagmar's a troll shaman. |
| 01:21.34 | Dagmar | I'm jerking their chain deliberately becuse I think their policy is not being followed through on (pet peeve), misguided at best, and in violation of proper ecommerce procedures to be sure. |
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| 01:22.07 | Dagmar | Heck I went as toe to toe as you can get once at a grocery store because I was bored and they tried to make me sign a reciept on a debit card transaction I'd entered my PIN code on |
| 01:22.18 | Dagmar | The manager called the police, I called Visa. |
| 01:22.19 | Dagmar | I won. |
| 01:22.21 | Shadowed | hahah |
| 01:22.28 | DWSR | Dagmar: Debit....Visa? |
| 01:22.35 | Shadowed | yea |
| 01:22.39 | Dagmar | DWSR: Yes, on a debit card transaction. |
| 01:22.40 | DWSR | Want to explain that one to me? |
| 01:22.55 | Lukian | your own money on a multi-access card (with a cc number) |
| 01:22.58 | DWSR | Ah. |
| 01:23.11 | DWSR | My Visa does that, I just don't bother with it. |
| 01:23.18 | Dagmar | You either sign or you give your PIN code to a machine. You don't give a person your pin code, and you don't sign a machine. |
| 01:23.30 | DWSR | But I also have a bank issued Visa. |
| 01:23.36 | DWSR | Dagmar: you got chip cards yet? |
| 01:24.05 | Dagmar | ...adn you definitely don't give a signature to a system which is set up to just use a PIN code because it's only good for one thing: Letting that signature and your credit card number escape the bounds of security procedure |
| 01:24.20 | ArrowmasterClass | my CC expires this year, guessing ill get getting a chiped one |
| 01:24.40 | Dagmar | Either the employee makes off with what you signed, including your CC number and goes on a shopping spree, or someone digging through the trash which was classified as non-secure becasue it's not supposed to have signatures in it, etc etc |
| 01:25.14 | Dagmar | Like, if you were at a restaurant and gave your card to the waitress/waiter, sure you let them get out of your sight to do the machine processing. |
| 01:25.20 | Dagmar | ...but let's say they come back and ask for your PIN code. |
| 01:25.31 | Dagmar | Very few people woulnd't consider that suspicious. |
| 01:26.44 | Dagmar | My curernt card is good 'til 2012 |
| 01:26.50 | Dagmar | No smartcard in it |
| 01:27.04 | Dagmar | Just a "dumb" magstripe with my picture on it |
| 01:27.24 | DWSR | Dagmar: I don't even know why the chips are better, but no sig > * |
| 01:27.42 | DWSR | just from a convenience perspective, they're great. |
| 01:28.05 | Dagmar | Assuming they're not shining you on and using a "dumb card" that merely has an EEPROM on it, it's a security upgrade |
| 01:28.25 | Dagmar | If it's one that merely has an EEPROM on it, you can clone them. |
| 01:28.51 | Dagmar | _Decent_ ones actually have a little CPU on them that does some crypto stuff for you and won't cough up the goods unless it's talking to a device which also knows dark secrets |
| 01:29.14 | Dagmar | I need more caffiene to be more specific than that |
| 01:29.44 | Dagmar | Think of it being like your browser will tell non-SSL sites to bugger off if you set it up right |
| 01:30.01 | Dagmar | So basically, the bank can be reasonably certain it's actually your card and not some cheap ass replay attack |
| 01:30.08 | Dagmar | Amex Blue |
| 01:39.48 | Dagmar | Meh. Ic an't verify it but I think they were the first people rolling out actual smart-card enabled credit cards in any quantitiy |
| 01:41.38 | DWSR | I just heard on Vent "Sarth is immune until all 3 drakes are dead" |
| 01:41.41 | DWSR | ... |
| 01:41.53 | DWSR | And...those zerg strat vids are all...what? Machinma? |
| 01:42.30 | Dagmar | DWSR: Get his dealer's number |
| 01:42.43 | DWSR | No shit. >.< |
| 01:42.43 | Dagmar | He's smoking some primo stuff |
| 01:42.57 | DWSR | I'm listening to an app trial for the guild I'm apping to as well. |
| 01:43.11 | DWSR | I just PSTed the GM and was like "err.....immune till all the drakes die, huh?" |
| 01:43.24 | DWSR | I think I heard an audible facepalm through vent. |
| 01:44.23 | Jerub | hehehehe |
| 01:44.33 | Jerub | I should poke my guild into doing +2D |
| 01:44.39 | Jerub | we nailed +1D on the first try |
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| 01:46.52 | ZorbaTHut | honestly he probably should be immune, or at least unable to die, until the third drake dies. it'd make it a more interesting encounter |
| 01:46.58 | ZorbaTHut | but he isn't, so :D |
| 01:47.44 | Dagmar | no, what would be cooler would be to make him that way withotu telling anyone |
| 01:47.57 | kd3 | he deep breathes more? gasp |
| 01:48.32 | Dagmar | ...and then publicize which guilds took the longest to notice and stop DPS |
| 01:49.18 | Dagmar | kd3: Some of these people are never going to pass a field sobriety test |
| 01:49.39 | Dagmar | If they can't keep their toon out of a ten foot wide swath on the floor, how the hell are they managing to walk a straight line in real life |
| 01:51.48 | Dagmar | Then again, I'm still waiting to see the PUG that can managed to get away from exploding ghouls |
| 01:51.55 | Dagmar | s/managed/manage/; |
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| 02:01.04 | ccox | wait, you have to kills the drakes? Oh, that's why it takes us 10 minutes to down him! |
| 02:01.25 | Dagmar | heheh |
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| 02:04.27 | Jerub | I did HToc5 last night, was having trouble healing phase3 at the start, but when all 3 dps died healing just myself and the tank was easy and we downed him |
| 02:05.44 | Codayus_ | It's amazing how many fights get easier as you remove mouth breathing DPS. |
| 02:07.09 | Jerub | my HCoS group was epic fail though :( |
| 02:08.40 | Jerub | after I bailed on our 4th on trash, i analysed the recount data with a guildie and had to give the healer tips |
| 02:08.54 | Jerub | he was mostly using healing wave, and wasn't using riptide or lesser healing wave |
| 02:09.08 | Jerub | s/4th/4th wipe/ |
| 02:09.33 | DWSR | Codayus_: You know what else is pretty remarkable? |
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| 02:14.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Anyone know if there is a way to look up loot for a boss at a specific achievement level? |
| 02:14.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Namely 2T FL |
| 02:17.30 | ZorbaTHut | scythe, go to wowhead, find the boss, read comments ;) |
| 02:19.20 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah that sucks |
| 02:20.07 | Adys | ScytheBlade1: <cough> |
| 02:22.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: then link me :P |
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| 02:28.30 | Codayus_ | DWSR: ? |
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| 02:33.15 | WobWork | wait wtf |
| 02:33.32 | WobWork | People wouldn't find the waitress coming back and asking for your PIN suspcious? |
| 02:33.40 | WobWork | ?!? |
| 02:34.29 | NightHawkTheSane | "very few people wouldn't consider it suspicious" |
| 02:34.36 | WobWork | sigh |
| 02:34.42 | NightHawkTheSane | as in most would :P |
| 02:34.49 | WobWork | I'm losing my aussie cred |
| 02:34.55 | WobWork | I blame my tired state and skimming =P |
| 02:35.39 | WobWork | normally I'd be able to process double negatives without blinking =P |
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| 02:58.28 | kd3 | oh wow, whoops |
| 02:58.42 | kd3 | is messing around with the pit of saron starter script event |
| 02:59.02 | kd3 | jaina felt like rooting me to the ground with the mobs about to attack her too |
| 02:59.21 | WobWork | http://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/MSX/CastleExcellent%28J%29-Map.png |
| 03:05.01 | WobWork | kd3: You're clearly just dodgy looking |
| 03:13.04 | Dagmar | kd3: Let's see... She can run, you can't. |
| 03:13.07 | Dagmar | Sounds like a smart plan to me. |
| 03:13.22 | Dagmar | Congratulations, you've been made an honorary Paladin pet |
| 03:14.15 | Dagmar | er maybe a priest |
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| 04:00.48 | ccox | http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=QC-SCIENCEVERB&Category_Code=QC |
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| 04:39.26 | Lothaer | afternoon people |
| 04:40.01 | Thunder_Child | it always is |
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| 04:42.00 | Lothaer | anyone know the mod called GnomeCruncher? |
| 04:43.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 04:44.25 | Lothaer | i managed to get it working again :D |
| 04:44.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Nice |
| 04:45.01 | Lothaer | i might upload it again but i wanna ask the OA first :D |
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| 04:53.49 | ScytheBlade1 | "atheists were praying for sarcasm" |
| 04:54.23 | Fisker | ScytheBlade1 |
| 04:54.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't make me ++ you |
| 04:57.20 | Fisker | don't make me order you a thousand liters of milk |
| 04:57.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Points for creativity |
| 04:58.31 | Fisker | i'm not gonna be part of your system |
| 05:05.14 | NightHawkTheSane | .... what? http://i30.tinypic.com/34ewz6u.jpg |
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| 05:05.51 | Lothaer | ~seen Javek |
| 05:06.01 | purl | javek <n=Javek@adsl-75-15-128-12.dsl.snlo01.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 528d 10h 28m 34s ago, saying: 'thanks'. |
| 05:06.42 | kd3 | nhts; !? |
| 05:07.07 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahahahahaha |
| 05:07.11 | ScytheBlade1 | so |
| 05:07.14 | ScytheBlade1 | The first sign |
| 05:07.22 | Fisker | slaps kd3 around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:07.24 | ScytheBlade1 | It took me a minute to realize what they were doing that |
| 05:07.28 | ScytheBlade1 | *there |
| 05:07.30 | Fisker | what are you going to do about that kd3 ? |
| 05:08.11 | kd3 | same as always, fisker. try to take over the world |
| 05:08.24 | ScytheBlade1 | ~kd3++ |
| 05:08.30 | Fisker | ok :( |
| 05:08.50 | Thunder_Child | but kd3, how are you going to get the rubber pants on the monkeys? |
| 05:09.38 | Fisker | happy birthday though kd3 |
| 05:10.05 | kd3 | thanks, but you're a few months early |
| 05:10.12 | Fisker | oh |
| 05:10.18 | Fisker | then what is your birthday? |
| 05:10.29 | kd3 | somewhen in january |
| 05:10.30 | Thunder_Child | it's the day of his birth |
| 05:10.41 | Thunder_Child | unless you mean 'when' |
| 05:10.44 | Fisker | aww kd3 |
| 05:11.06 | Fisker | ~Thunder_Child++ |
| 05:11.08 | Fisker | well played |
| 05:11.22 | Thunder_Child | tips his hat to Fisker |
| 05:12.41 | Fisker | anyways why did it take you a month to get birthed kd3 ? |
| 05:13.08 | kd3 | because I was due a week and a half earlier than when I popped out |
| 05:14.01 | Dagmar | LAZY! |
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| 05:38.34 | NightHawkTheSane | so... |
| 05:38.41 | NightHawkTheSane | exactly how does a car have to swerve to make these lines? http://imgur.com/vQCeL.jpg |
| 05:39.30 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: that's a spin, the car is facing the opposite direction to the direction of travel. |
| 05:40.00 | Thunder_Child | the tire tracks do not configure to that |
| 05:40.26 | Thunder_Child | unless you ignore physics |
| 05:40.35 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: it works if the lines are only the rear tyres |
| 05:40.57 | Thunder_Child | Jerub, the lines cross....tires do not |
| 05:43.08 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: ... yes. |
| 05:43.26 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: but the tracks that tyres follow can cross, |
| 05:43.27 | Codayus_ | Car driving from bottom left to top right, skids, car rotates clockwise (pivoting on the left tire) and ends facing opposite the direction of travel. |
| 05:43.38 | Jerub | concurrs with Codayus_ |
| 05:43.51 | Shirik | Anyone with Vista/7 know how to make the microphone loopback into playback? |
| 05:44.01 | Shirik | i.e., I hear myself through my speakers as I talk in the mic |
| 05:44.10 | Cide | still impossible |
| 05:44.14 | Jerub | also, if you haven't done it, do a skidpan session with your car. practice wet turns and wet stops. |
| 05:44.30 | Cide | if it's pivoting on the left tire then the tracks would have a hole in them |
| 05:44.39 | Thunder_Child | or a large cirlce |
| 05:44.40 | Cide | they're continual |
| 05:44.42 | Thunder_Child | circle* |
| 05:44.52 | Thunder_Child | where the tire spun in place |
| 05:44.53 | Cide | continuous |
| 05:45.27 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, yes |
| 05:45.28 | Cide | Shirik: recording devices, right-click your microphone, properties |
| 05:45.34 | Cide | under the Listen tab |
| 05:45.40 | Thunder_Child | what Cide said |
| 05:45.43 | Cide | check Listen to this device and pick a playback device |
| 05:45.48 | Thunder_Child | but the mic has to be installed first |
| 05:45.57 | Jerub | it's highly stylised, but that's the basic thing, "slippery road, don't spin" |
| 05:46.07 | Cide | that't not what he asked |
| 05:46.10 | Cide | 's |
| 05:46.16 | Cide | it never works |
| 05:46.47 | Jerub | it's impossoble the actually make a pair of marks on the road that look exactly like that. |
| 05:46.57 | Iriel | You could do it with paint |
| 05:46.58 | Cide | <NightHawkTheSane> exactly how does a car have to swerve to make these lines |
| 05:47.01 | Thunder_Child | which is what we were saying |
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| 05:50.04 | Shirik | here's a more interesting question |
| 05:50.22 | Shirik | can I make it such that it only plays back when I'm pushing a button :P |
| 05:50.32 | Thunder_Child | you can in vent |
| 05:50.38 | Shirik | wait vent can play myself back? |
| 05:50.43 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 05:50.49 | Shirik | my problem is that FRAPS can't record my own voice |
| 05:50.55 | Shirik | which makes my group look quite disorganized |
| 05:50.57 | Shirik | because I do all the calling |
| 05:51.13 | Thunder_Child | under setup -> test |
| 05:51.14 | Iriel | Go back and dub it in later? |
| 05:51.17 | Iriel | That'd be awesome |
| 05:51.24 | Iriel | You could write the lines you WISHED you'd said |
| 05:51.35 | Shirik | rofl |
| 05:51.44 | Iriel | Like when you lead your raid into a wipe |
| 05:51.45 | Shirik | you can even hear the vent clicks |
| 05:51.51 | Shirik | so it would be believable |
| 05:51.53 | Iriel | in the dub version you could be screaming NOOO! DONT GO THAT WAY! |
| 05:51.56 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:52.13 | Shirik | yeah but Thunder_Child I can't do that while live |
| 05:52.57 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, no, but you can record in vent |
| 05:53.02 | Thunder_Child | i do it all the time |
| 05:53.08 | Shirik | I got another idea |
| 05:53.09 | Thunder_Child | much to my guilds dismay |
| 05:53.11 | Shirik | open a second copy of vent |
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| 06:21.54 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: obvious solution is to use Vent/TS/Mumble's record function and dub later. |
| 06:22.34 | Gnarfoz | you'll have to do editing anyway, why jump through hoops when you could have good quality game sound + voice + music or whatever combination you want |
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| 06:42.22 | Gnarfoz | he wants to record everything at once while frapsing |
| 06:42.28 | Gnarfoz | (sound-wise, that is) |
| 06:47.02 | Elkano | hmm... tried using a virtual audio cable? |
| 06:50.32 | Adys | Shadowed: ping |
| 06:53.10 | Adys | http://www.questionablecontent.net/images/science.gif |
| 06:53.39 | Adys | http://www.questionablecontent.net/comics/1514.png |
| 06:56.08 | Arrowmaster | http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO126794/ |
| 06:56.16 | Arrowmaster | idiot vandals |
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| 07:10.39 | Thunder_Child | is it wrong to want to beath the crap out of people that can not shut up during stressful times? |
| 07:10.43 | Thunder_Child | beat* |
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| 07:12.14 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: it's not wrong to mute them on vent |
| 07:13.18 | Fisker | my rage sense is tingling |
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| 07:15.14 | Thunder_Child | Jerub, i mean like getting shot at, not playing wow |
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| 07:15.41 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: do you get shot at often? |
| 07:16.30 | Thunder_Child | Jerub, i do live in LA |
| 07:16.55 | Jerub | is that the one with the funny car chases on the hills? |
| 07:17.02 | Jerub | or is that the one with the big hollywood sign? |
| 07:17.54 | Thunder_Child | Jerub, i only say #2 because i am not sure what #1 is |
| 07:18.21 | Jerub | with the trams. |
| 07:18.25 | Thunder_Child | still not getting it |
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| 07:19.55 | Fisker | hey sexy Zeksie |
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| 07:21.47 | Jerub | I think i mean san francisco |
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| 07:23.47 | Thunder_Child | oh...i never would have got that |
| 07:23.52 | Thunder_Child | but now i do |
| 07:23.58 | Thunder_Child | yes, #2 then |
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| 10:17.28 | olafski | http://fapit.net/v/945/presistence.PNG.html :D |
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| 10:35.44 | bluspacecow | \o |
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| 10:57.11 | foxlit | grr, pets. |
| 10:58.19 | foxlit | Their ability to target the enemy healers is often better than their masters' :( |
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| 11:01.41 | Wobin | your pets are smarter than you? |
| 11:05.05 | Wobin | http://fapit.net/v/1453/sad_pandas.jpg.html |
| 11:07.27 | Grum | Fisker's transportation! http://fapit.net/v/229/chances.jpg.html |
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| 11:11.21 | foxlit | Wobin: no, I'm constantly being pursued by cats and felhunters :( |
| 11:11.58 | foxlit | On one side, I'm happy that their owners aren't targeting me (swift death there), on the other, the pets are a nuisance. |
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| 11:44.00 | bluspacecow | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AyVh1_vWYQ |
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| 11:56.41 | Adys | http://fapit.net/v/1399/longcat.jpg.html |
| 12:02.40 | Grum | megalongcat! |
| 12:02.56 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:07.57 | Adys | Okay I need your guys' help |
| 12:08.15 | bluspacecow | go with the blue top |
| 12:08.25 | bluspacecow | and the tan skirt |
| 12:08.48 | Adys | I want to recode pidgin in pure html/js as a chrome app |
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| 12:08.50 | Adys | but |
| 12:09.02 | stolenlegacy | Shadowed: ping |
| 12:09.05 | bluspacecow | you dont have a keyboard ? |
| 12:09.16 | Adys | either i have to find a way to embed libpurple in chrome |
| 12:09.29 | Adys | or find a way to embed webkit in pidgin |
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| 12:12.50 | Adys | http://princeofcode.com/awesomium.php |
| 12:12.53 | Adys | ah there it was |
| 12:13.29 | bluspacecow | yay |
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| 12:15.35 | Adys | windows only bah |
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| 12:30.29 | Adys | bleeter: ping |
| 12:35.07 | bleeter_ | adys: bah, I forgot. will do in the morning. so terribly sorry! |
| 12:35.56 | bleeter | morning = about 8 hours |
| 12:36.07 | Adys | bleeter: forgot what? |
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| 12:38.35 | Ycarene | Is there a good place that lists the artwork built into the game? |
| 12:38.39 | Lopeppeppy | Hoppy Thursday, everypeople! |
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| 12:43.51 | Adys | Ycarene: wowprogramming.com |
| 12:43.55 | foxlit | Ycarene: There are about 437M worth of images. |
| 12:43.55 | Adys | theres a file browser |
| 12:44.05 | foxlit | Extract the art with the UI kit and browse that. |
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| 12:59.51 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umX0FgAQQeM&feature=player_embedded |
| 13:00.48 | Wobin | hehe, it's awesome how they get the diver's legs to move |
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| 13:09.50 | Wobin | http://twitter.com/LCROSS_NASA/status/4732225221 |
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| 13:13.16 | TopTop18 | Eey! |
| 13:14.05 | Lopeppeppy | Oiy |
| 13:16.54 | alestane | Poor whale. |
| 13:17.37 | Lopeppeppy | Poor Arthur. |
| 13:23.10 | alestane | Wow, apparently they really want jewelcrafters running raids. |
| 13:23.41 | alestane | Pretty much all the recipes I actually want for blue gems are drops in raid dungeions. |
| 13:24.06 | olafski | there are blue gems that drop in raids? oO |
| 13:24.17 | olafski | wait.. do you mean blue quality or blue socket |
| 13:24.26 | alestane | Blue quality gems. |
| 13:24.33 | olafski | never seen any of those that drop in raids |
| 13:24.38 | olafski | are you sure they aren't world drops? |
| 13:24.56 | alestane | I would like to cut a Purified Twilight Opal. Alla says this pattern drops off of two mobs, one in Naxx, one in Ulduar. |
| 13:25.10 | olafski | time to start using wowhead |
| 13:25.40 | alestane | How is WoWhead better? |
| 13:26.20 | Cairenn | Wait, what?!?! There was a) a contract that actually explicitly stated that if you were sexually assaulted by co-workers while over-seas, you couldn't take them to court, and b) 30 senators voted AGAINST the bill that would prevent any companies that had clauses like that from being able to receive government funding? You're shitting me, right? |
| 13:26.37 | olafski | alestane: for one, wowhead lists more than 2 mobs :) |
| 13:27.04 | alestane | Cairenn: That sounds strange and outrageous. |
| 13:27.19 | alestane | olafski: Yes, but do they actually drop it? |
| 13:27.30 | Cairenn | (watching the daily show with Jon Stewart, first I've heard about this, but just checked it on the web and yeah, it's a for-real story) |
| 13:27.31 | olafski | yes |
| 13:27.34 | alestane | Additional information is only useful if it's more accurate. |
| 13:27.41 | olafski | those things really are not raid-only drops |
| 13:27.54 | olafski | I've had 2-3 of them drop, all while soloing |
| 13:28.29 | Cairenn | alestane: http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/1844091/ShowThread.aspx |
| 13:28.33 | olafski | ah daily show.. good idea |
| 13:28.59 | Cairenn | alestane: among lots of other threads/sites/reports |
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| 13:29.24 | Cairenn | that just completely boggles my mind |
| 13:29.28 | Cairenn | I'm disgusted |
| 13:30.21 | Cairenn | my contempt for the US government just continues to grow |
| 13:30.49 | Kraps | Cairenn: what are you talking about? |
| 13:30.50 | Cairenn | well, and not just the government, but also for the particular company involved |
| 13:32.06 | Lopeppeppy | Did you know that domestic violence is a "pre-existing condition" and a victim can be refused medical treatment on those grounds? |
| 13:32.13 | Lopeppeppy | The US just damn well sucks. |
| 13:32.17 | krka | Cairenn: politicians are mostly corrupt, stupid and lazy |
| 13:32.19 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: you serious? |
| 13:32.29 | Cairenn | krka: I realize that, but come on |
| 13:32.46 | krka | i've stopped being surprised a long time ago, sadly |
| 13:32.53 | Cairenn | that's just ... omfg |
| 13:33.08 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, for serious. In like... 12 states or so, last I knew? |
| 13:33.25 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: ... |
| 13:33.31 | alestane | Cairenn: Reading over that post, I find it absolutely grotesque. |
| 13:33.49 | Ycarene | What function do I use to print into the middle of the screen like you see with raid warnings? |
| 13:33.57 | Cairenn | you can see why I'm sitting here with my lip curled, I'm sure |
| 13:34.09 | Kraps | link alestane |
| 13:34.16 | Cairenn | http://boards.chicagobears.com/forums/1844091/ShowThread.aspx |
| 13:34.23 | Lopeppeppy | My morning dose of hate has grown stronger. |
| 13:34.26 | alestane | Oh, it's right before you joined...yeah that. |
| 13:34.32 | Cairenn | Kraps: |
| 13:34.33 | Cairenn | (2009-10-15 09:26:22) Cairenn: Wait, what?!?! There was a) a contract that actually explicitly stated that if you were sexually assaulted by co-workers while over-seas, you couldn't take them to court, and b) 30 senators voted AGAINST the bill that would prevent any companies that had clauses like that from being able to receive government funding? You're shitting me, right? |
| 13:34.39 | Cairenn | is what started it all |
| 13:34.45 | Lopeppeppy | http://thinkprogress.org/2009/10/07/kbr-rape-franken-amendment/ as well, if you don't want to trust the Chicago Bears forums. |
| 13:35.02 | Cairenn | oh, there are tons of places to read about it |
| 13:35.13 | Lopeppeppy | That at least is encouraging... |
| 13:35.26 | Cairenn | the fact that the bill passed is good |
| 13:35.38 | Cairenn | but a) that there was /anyone/ that voted against it?! |
| 13:35.56 | Cairenn | and b) that a company would have a clause like that in their contracts in the first place? |
| 13:36.18 | Fisker | This is why politics suck |
| 13:36.47 | alestane | Frankly, I put nothing past Halliburton. |
| 13:36.55 | Cairenn | that's the company telling their employees that they can rape other employees while over-seas and won't be arrested and charged for it! |
| 13:36.58 | Cairenn | god |
| 13:37.43 | alestane | And while I'm disgusted that anyone would consider this something that can be left to the "hand of the marketplace", at least the bloody bill passed. |
| 13:37.55 | Ycarene | Well, I hate to sound all conspiracy nut and stuff, but those 30 votes are probably the ones getting kickbacks from the contracters the bill is designed to target. |
| 13:38.19 | Ycarene | Because I can't think of any MORAL reason to vote against this. |
| 13:38.33 | Cairenn | Ycarene: exactly |
| 13:38.46 | Cairenn | I'm just ... completely aghast |
| 13:38.48 | Fisker | Ycarene obvious trolling? |
| 13:38.50 | Lopeppeppy | Don't get me started, I can list all of the supposedly "moral" reasons they would use.... argh. There's still no excuse. |
| 13:39.20 | Lopeppeppy | No matter how hard they scramble to make one up. |
| 13:39.25 | alestane | Some people might consider it needless government intervention in private business. |
| 13:39.25 | alestane | But those people are disgusting and insane. |
| 13:39.38 | Ycarene | I'm just wondering though, gang rape isn't legal in saudi arabia either, and since there's more than 4 witnesses, couldn't she file charges there too? |
| 13:39.54 | udzinari | Hello everyone! I want to develop some addons for myself.. I am programming in Python, C/C++, Lisp and know some lua. Any links you can recommend where to start? (did google for it, looking for favorites) |
| 13:40.13 | Lopeppeppy | ~wowprogramming |
| 13:40.14 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 13:40.16 | alestane | wowprogramming.com is a solid site for reference, and the book is excellent. |
| 13:40.22 | Cairenn | Ycarene: no, the other part of it all is the fact that her contract with the company specifically said that she can't charge co-workers for rape while working over-seas |
| 13:40.22 | Ycarene | udzinari - Might want ot wait a little bit dude, everyone's blood is up. |
| 13:40.50 | alestane | She has to go through the company to make any complaints. |
| 13:40.59 | Lopeppeppy | And as a foreign national against other foreign nationals... um... laws are hesitant about those things. They'd point to her contract and be hands-off in a heartbeat. |
| 13:41.04 | udzinari | Yes following your discussion for a while :) |
| 13:41.19 | Cairenn | sorry guys, I just ... /snarl |
| 13:41.29 | alestane | Yes, we're off topic at the moment. |
| 13:41.32 | Ycarene | Well, yeah, that's probably true. |
| 13:41.42 | Cairenn | I can't decide which part has me more angry |
| 13:41.51 | Ycarene | It would be interesting though if SA decided to prosecute and punished the rapists regardless... |
| 13:42.00 | Lopeppeppy | As if. |
| 13:42.06 | Cairenn | that there is a company that would have a clause like that in the first place, or that anyone would vote against the bill |
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| 13:42.13 | Ycarene | Would certainly be far less of THAT going on, they don't play when it comes to rape. |
| 13:42.33 | Lopeppeppy | They put the clause into place for a reason, Cairenn... that's the root cause, and what really really pisses me off. |
| 13:42.53 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: yeah, I know, that's what I'm getting at, on that side of it |
| 13:43.21 | Cairenn | it's the company basically telling their employees that they can go ahead and rape co-workers while they're overseas and nothing will happen |
| 13:43.25 | Lopeppeppy | Now do ya'll understand why I snap at you over every single rape joke? This crap is not funny at all, in any way. |
| 13:43.53 | Ycarene | In addition, they stuck her in a cargo container and threatened her if she sought medical attention, I'm pretty sure that's a violation of international human rights law. |
| 13:44.07 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: I think most of them got it after the last time I really lost it over those types of jokes |
| 13:44.33 | alestane | Cairenn: I find Halliburton by far the more disgusting of the two parties mentioned. I don't care for the senators, but they're individuals and I'm more likely to file it under "moral idiocy." That a company with a large legal department can manage to push through a clause like that is sickening, especially in a world where private contracts and corporate policies shape more and more of our rights and actions. |
| 13:45.38 | Ycarene | Ok, I really hate to break the combo here, but I'm having difficulty finding the function to print to the default chat frame and the function to print directly to the screen, (like raid warnings and such do). |
| 13:45.54 | Lopeppeppy | Have you checked the code of things like boss mods, to see how they do it? |
| 13:46.15 | Cairenn | yeah, sorry, didn't mean to take the channel off-topic while there were folks talking about code |
| 13:46.25 | alestane | There's a chat frame in the middle of the screen that handles the raid warnings. |
| 13:46.43 | Lopeppeppy | is gonna be cranky aaaaaaaalllllll day! |
| 13:46.45 | Ycarene | Lopeppeppy - I can try, but DBM (for example) is HUGE. |
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| 13:47.34 | alestane | You can put stuff in a particular chatframe with ChatFrameName:AddMessage(), or you can usually call print() to put stuff in the default chatframe (add-ons can redefine the behavior of print, however.) |
| 13:47.43 | olafski | can't be too hard to find though ycarene? oO |
| 13:48.37 | olafski | look for a string that gets printed in the files, which will probably get you to some constant, then look for the name of that constant |
| 13:48.46 | mikma | cairenn: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/dog_snow.jpg |
| 13:49.04 | Cairenn | mikma: <3 |
| 13:49.16 | alestane | Quick! Think about bunnies! |
| 13:49.25 | alestane | Or don't. some things are worth staying mad over. |
| 13:49.25 | Lopeppeppy | No, unicorn chaser! |
| 13:49.49 | Lopeppeppy | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_rFrI2UmxtBM/R88NF0caZzI/AAAAAAAAAVg/7U2bgw1_2rU/s400/UnicornRainbow.jpg |
| 13:49.59 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 13:55.58 | mikma | haste: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/orly_wryyyy.jpg |
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| 13:58.03 | Ycarene | Got it |
| 13:58.40 | haste | mikma: muda da! |
| 14:00.15 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNoV_kSe7Dk |
| 14:05.13 | Shadowed | stolenlegacy: pong |
| 14:05.47 | Shadowed | although seems to be late since logs indicate that was yesterday, stupid IRC client |
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| 14:07.42 | alestane | What's useless? |
| 14:08.40 | stolenlegacy | Shadowed: check my comment on AceGui3.0 spell edit box please |
| 14:08.52 | stolenlegacy | it doesn't appear to work with AceConfig-3.0 currently |
| 14:09.57 | Shadowed | "The config frame" isn't really that useful |
| 14:10.01 | Shadowed | what config frame |
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| 14:10.04 | Shadowed | what addon |
| 14:10.08 | stolenlegacy | sec, I'll get you a pastey |
| 14:11.13 | Codayus_ | Mmm, this is why getting news from comedy shows isn't a good idea. For anyone interested, there was no clause regarding rape. Halliburton had a (fairly standard) contract that required employment related disputes to go through arbitration. |
| 14:11.24 | stolenlegacy | Shadowed: http://paste.wowace.com/1297/ |
| 14:11.40 | stolenlegacy | tried to implement it in srf |
| 14:11.44 | stolenlegacy | that's an AceConfig table |
| 14:11.53 | Codayus_ | (And a court confirmed that the clause didn't even apply in the case at hand.) |
| 14:12.24 | Shadowed | Aura_EditBox not Auras_EditBox |
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| 14:12.39 | Shadowed | docs have a typo |
| 14:12.40 | Codayus_ | Employment contracts requiring arbitration for disputes are arguably a terrible idea, of course, but that's really quite a different issue. |
| 14:12.55 | stolenlegacy | Shadowed: oh, okay |
| 14:14.40 | mikma | http://fapit.net/imgs/588/mind_fuck.jpg <- t-rex! |
| 14:15.31 | stolenlegacy | mikma: that one already got a beard |
| 14:16.11 | stolenlegacy | Shadowed: great, working now |
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| 14:30.46 | Ycarene | I want a scrollable list of buttons and editboxes, what type of frame should I use? |
| 14:31.11 | foxlit | That depends on what type of scrolling you want to achieve. |
| 14:31.17 | foxlit | Auction house or the achievement frame? |
| 14:31.27 | foxlit | Guild list or quest text? |
| 14:31.53 | Ycarene | Like the keybinds page |
| 14:32.12 | foxlit | [A scrollable list of text boxes seems like an overly complicated way to present things] |
| 14:32.35 | foxlit | A scrollframe container with a tall Frame child. |
| 14:32.43 | foxlit | with everything else within that frame, iirc. |
| 14:34.56 | foxlit | Or perhaps just a faux scroll list. |
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| 14:35.37 | foxlit | Couldn't find a screenshot of the bindings UI where the buttons don't perfectly align with the viewport. |
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| 14:38.38 | Ycarene | I was thinking scrollframe, but I can't find any examples of it in use. |
| 14:39.41 | foxlit | You might have to raid FrameXML for that. |
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| 15:03.00 | alestane | So, I just pulled out all my tanking gear at 80 (mostly crafted and quest) and was informed that I wouldn't be able to tank REGULAR ToC unless I had another 6000 health and at least 30 more defense. |
| 15:03.20 | alestane | Is even regular ToC intended for people who are already fully dungeon geared? |
| 15:03.31 | zenzelezz | how much HP did you have? |
| 15:03.49 | alestane | 18.3k, 481 defense. |
| 15:04.04 | foxlit | alestane: It's more likely that you're experiencing the regular "You must be in tier N+1 gear to run Tier N content" pug philosophy. |
| 15:04.08 | zenzelezz | alestane: class? |
| 15:04.11 | alestane | DK. |
| 15:04.23 | zenzelezz | then I'm not qualified to speak |
| 15:04.27 | alestane | And the first thing they said was "PLEASE tell me you're in your DPS gear." |
| 15:05.05 | alestane | "Okay, what's your defense?" |
| 15:05.10 | alestane | "No, you need to be capped." |
| 15:05.33 | zenzelezz | I can't remember what my HP was when I had just hit 80 and crafted my defense gear; but I'm a warrior anyway |
| 15:06.02 | nevcairiel | regular ToC? not even heroic? |
| 15:06.06 | harl|hyperperfor | 18.3k health is indeed a bit low for tanking the lvl 80 content, even on non-heroic |
| 15:06.07 | alestane | Regular. |
| 15:07.04 | alestane | I am of the opinion that skill makes up a great deal for gear, but it's hard to build up skill when people won't take you because you're not geared. |
| 15:07.37 | mikma | cartographer3 is nice, except the fact it errors in the instances all the freaking time |
| 15:07.53 | Ancu | your a tank and dont have 20k hp? That is a sign of lack of skill |
| 15:08.02 | harl|hyperperfor | you're totally correct, alestane, but it's still lower than one would expect you to have at lvl 80 |
| 15:08.12 | alestane | Doing what? |
| 15:08.38 | alestane | Ancu: Only insofar as farming gear is a skill. |
| 15:09.23 | alestane | I soloed my way to 80, I did not run a bunch of dungeons to get gear along the way. |
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| 15:09.27 | mikma | ckknight: fix it fix it fix iiiiiit |
| 15:09.34 | foxlit | sigh, wowhead badly needs to state swing damage of various boss mobs. |
| 15:09.36 | alestane | I'll grant that ToC is probably not the first dungeon I want to do with a PUG. |
| 15:09.37 | Ancu | Even QRs should give you more then that |
| 15:09.49 | ckknight | mikma: what am I fixing? |
| 15:09.56 | ckknight | mikma: ah, yea, sorry. |
| 15:09.57 | foxlit | "Ability X deals 120% of weapon damage" << So useful. |
| 15:10.05 | ckknight | been busy |
| 15:10.16 | Ancu | try running some UP to build up your gear |
| 15:10.24 | alestane | That's with about 4 pieces of green gear left. |
| 15:10.28 | foxlit | alestane: Link your armory so we can ridicule you or nod in approval :) |
| 15:10.37 | harl|hyperperfor | my lvl 76 warrior has about about 17.8 health now and she's just randomly equipped with quest and crafted items. a death knight should have more health and defense than a warrior to remain equally healable. |
| 15:10.41 | mikma | ckknight: :) http://www.wowace.com/addons/cartographer3/ <- see the first comment, it explains the error |
| 15:10.46 | alestane | foxlit: Go fuck yourself. |
| 15:10.56 | mikma | ckknight: also cart3 is missing the ... argent tournament -map piece |
| 15:11.00 | alestane | The mood I'm in, that's the last thing I need right now. |
| 15:11.02 | foxlit | That was... unexpected. |
| 15:11.20 | alestane | And I apologize for having gone a little overboard. |
| 15:11.38 | Seerah | hands alestane chocolate |
| 15:11.42 | alestane | But I've been taking a load of flak lately for what basically boils down to "insufficient gear." |
| 15:11.54 | zenzelezz | people are over-concerned with gear |
| 15:12.04 | alestane | Or "unwillingness to pick the magic spec." |
| 15:12.12 | foxlit | Perhaps my "nod in approval" should've been "nod in support [of you]" to make it clear that I'm relatively neutral on the subject :) |
| 15:12.44 | Lopeppeppy | EJ rules the game, alestane. *huggle* |
| 15:12.49 | foxlit | But anyway, PUG requirements are always silly; don't pay attention to them. |
| 15:13.20 | alestane | The last regular ToC run I tried to do was organized by someone who tried to tank it with 13.9k health. |
| 15:13.41 | foxlit | I think that's about enough to be instantly one-shot. |
| 15:14.00 | alestane | And we agreed that she was getting slaughtered. But I figured having a third again that health was got enough to make a shot and got "I have more and I'm DPS LAWL." |
| 15:14.08 | harl|hyperperfor | you may be a skilled tank (or become one with appropriate experience). it's just that people want to see you doing everything for it that you can and they tend to put the bad mark onto you if you do anything less than that. |
| 15:14.48 | alestane | So what did I do wrong, other than not run other dungeons first? |
| 15:14.48 | harl|hyperperfor | including enchantments and whatknot |
| 15:15.02 | foxlit | Did you finish IC/SP questing? :) |
| 15:15.14 | Lopeppeppy | Run other lower dungeons exhaustively to get the best in slot for every slot. |
| 15:15.17 | alestane | I need to build the best possible tanking set with all tanking gems and enchants before I ever walk into an instance? |
| 15:15.22 | Lopeppeppy | Yup. |
| 15:15.29 | foxlit | People expect you to, anyway. |
| 15:15.35 | Lopeppeppy | Doesn't it suck to have un-meetable expectations? Healers get the same crap. |
| 15:15.36 | Seerah | doesn't mean that it's fair |
| 15:15.49 | alestane | Realistically from your PoV, Peppy, or that's what I have to expect to be expected of me? |
| 15:15.55 | harl|hyperperfor | right, they expect you to, that's what i wanted to say, not that you actually had to do that to be or become a good tank. |
| 15:16.05 | alestane | foxlit: Except for group quests in IC. |
| 15:17.02 | Ackis | my main concern going into a group is "are you going to suck", gear is my second concern because it correlates to sucking at times (aka you can't do leet dps) |
| 15:17.10 | alestane | I did move my DK into my main's guild, so I should be spending more time in instances now. And I can always DPS for a while and roll on tanking gear. But I'm sure that in Pugs they'll spend just as much time ridiculing my DPS. |
| 15:17.14 | zenzelezz | alestane: for PUGs, it wouldn't be unusual for them to expect that. If you were looking for a guild, they tend to be more focused on skill and room for improvement |
| 15:17.19 | Seerah | after hubby hit 80 with his new pally (he leveled it solo), before he rejoined his raiding guild, he had a friend help him out with all of his group quests to gear up |
| 15:17.23 | zenzelezz | I'm not saying it doesn't suck |
| 15:17.26 | Ancu_InGame | heres what you need to do, get rating buster, do questing and get the good QRs |
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| 15:17.39 | Lopeppeppy | That's what people will expect of you, Alestane. My viewpoint is.... different. |
| 15:17.55 | Lopeppeppy | And if I don't fillet my boss when he comes back tomorrow, it will be a modern miracle. |
| 15:17.58 | harl|hyperperfor | usually, questing and putting on a few lower crafted items should be suffice enough for a mediocre healer to keep you alive when fighting enemies of your range in level. |
| 15:18.24 | harl|hyperperfor | it'll be harder though, and usually people don't like things to be hard on 5-man |
| 15:18.45 | foxlit | Perhaps the main point is that you should find yourself a healer that is comfortable with healing you. |
| 15:18.58 | nevcairiel | we ran into heroics the first day we hit 80 |
| 15:19.02 | alestane | Well right. What drives me nuts is that what they really mean a lot of the time is "That's the health and defense you need for us to not worry about our repairs bills." |
| 15:19.04 | nevcairiel | granted we had lvl-70 epics |
| 15:19.39 | Ancu_InGame | Keep in mind, the people that you want to run dungeons with have worked their butts off trying to get the best gear posible. They have done questing, raids, dungeons, they expect you to be able to do atleast that much if you want to run with them. |
| 15:19.41 | Lopeppeppy | Whatever their reason, they want the instance to go THEIR way, and those are their minimum requirements for that. |
| 15:20.00 | harl|hyperperfor | repairs aren't exactly costing much with low itemlvl equipment |
| 15:20.04 | alestane | They want you to prove that you are equally dedicated. |
| 15:20.08 | Pneumatus | ditto nev, we farmed orbs for tank items to be crated |
| 15:20.21 | harl|hyperperfor | and if they already have better equipment, your 30 defense missing shouldn't be a problem at all |
| 15:20.28 | zenzelezz | basically, everyone's selfish, and there's little you can do about it |
| 15:20.35 | nevcairiel | we didn't even do that Pneumatus, everyone just got the orbs they won, if tank wanted something, he had to win enough |
| 15:20.38 | nevcairiel | or trade for them :P |
| 15:20.42 | foxlit | Don't group with them and let natural selection work. |
| 15:20.42 | Ancu_InGame | Try getting a good raiding guild, they will drag you through the heroics to gear you up |
| 15:20.53 | Pneumatus | well, everyone got orbs, but the first few went to tanks |
| 15:20.56 | foxlit | refuses to link achievements. |
| 15:21.01 | Pneumatus | we did every heroic every day for like a week |
| 15:21.10 | Pneumatus | so people had orbs for leg enchants, crafted items etc |
| 15:21.18 | Pneumatus | while we were waiting for people to catch up to do naxx |
| 15:21.25 | nevcairiel | meh we didnt use good leg enchants until naxx gear |
| 15:21.54 | nevcairiel | we were mostly wearing sunwell gear until naxx, no reason for a tiny enchant upgrade |
| 15:22.13 | Pneumatus | most of us were in T6 which got replaced by heroic gear too |
| 15:22.51 | nevcairiel | there were rarely blue items that could properly replace sunwell gear, and the epics .. i dunno, the right ones never dropped etc :P |
| 15:22.52 | zenzelezz | my warrior went from basically full T6 to full blue crafted +defense gear before our first WotLK raids |
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| 15:23.06 | zenzelezz | then replaced about half my items on the first night |
| 15:23.08 | nevcairiel | our MT was a feral for naxx |
| 15:23.11 | nevcairiel | no def-cap needs |
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| 15:23.14 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 15:23.43 | Shirik | am I evil or what |
| 15:23.49 | Shirik | I just figured out a way to throw memristors into today's lesson |
| 15:23.51 | harl|hyperperfor | i never had T5 or T6 on any of my characters |
| 15:24.21 | harl|hyperperfor | not that i even cared |
| 15:24.22 | Lopeppeppy | :P Bad Shirik |
| 15:24.47 | Shirik | I think it's important to at least know the fundamental four, especially now that the relationship chart is complete instead of being a strangly shaped L |
| 15:24.51 | Shirik | strangely* |
| 15:27.40 | harl|hyperperfor | unemotionally stares at the concrete wall right behind Shirik. |
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| 15:29.22 | laeg | is there a mod that will make it blatantly obvious when a boss has switched targets to me so i don't have to keep looking at his target top left? |
| 15:29.27 | laeg | maybe play a rw sound etc |
| 15:30.06 | Lopeppeppy | Tons of aggro mods will do that. |
| 15:31.02 | Ackis | olafski |
| 15:31.03 | Ackis | hi |
| 15:31.08 | kdtresh | so will the built-in floating combat text, won't it? |
| 15:31.12 | Ackis | laeg: target of target of target of target |
| 15:31.14 | foxlit | I wonder. |
| 15:31.14 | kdtresh | or maybe it's omen |
| 15:31.26 | foxlit | They're messing with the soulstone cooldown/duration, but they're still keeping the cooldown there. |
| 15:32.08 | foxlit | It'd be easier to simply say "You may only have one soulstone in effect at any one time" and not complicate rebuffing. |
| 15:35.54 | alestane | One of my guildies is of the opinion that if I get a trinket and a couple rings I'm in a good place to get started, which makes me feel a bit better. |
| 15:36.26 | alestane | He is also of the opinion that he could tank regular ToC on his shammy and the group was on something. |
| 15:38.32 | Lopeppeppy | Run with guildies, it's always easier on the brian. |
| 15:38.35 | Lopeppeppy | *brain |
| 15:38.38 | kdtresh | infinitely. |
| 15:40.07 | foxlit | Depending on how attached you are to proper gear progression, you could also raid the AH :) |
| 15:42.00 | Ancu_InGame | we're still going on about this? |
| 15:43.45 | Ancu_InGame | I do have to admit, I am painfully undergeared |
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| 15:48.11 | Ancu_InGame | soon as I get high speed (hopefully within the week) I will start doing more dungeons |
| 15:49.21 | cogwheel | grrr... No, you don't have to forward me every single IDENTICAL e-mail asking if it's spam... |
| 15:49.49 | Ancu_InGame | what? |
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| 15:50.15 | cog|work | one of my coworkers is incapable of generalizing, apparently... |
| 15:50.33 | cog|work | lern2infer ppl |
| 15:50.43 | Ancu_InGame | lol |
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| 15:51.17 | Lopeppeppy | Hi hi Lunessa. |
| 15:51.43 | Lunessa | Hi Lopeppeppy. How's things? |
| 15:51.46 | Ancu_InGame | I am gona go back yo playing |
| 15:52.03 | laeg | Ackis: can only find an out of date version and it doesn't seem to alert when i'm being targetted by target |
| 15:52.25 | laeg | Lopeppeppy: can you recommend one in particular? |
| 15:52.59 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: miki misses you |
| 15:53.30 | cog|work | and thanks you for the vicks reccommendation (sp?) |
| 15:53.30 | batbot | cog|work, recommendation. |
| 15:56.15 | mikma | anyone has *ANY* ideas is there a way of adding connection sound in ventrilo? like, when anyone talks in the server you'll hear some sort of "BLIP" sounde |
| 15:56.25 | mikma | or, small sound at the background "blip blip blip" |
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| 15:59.32 | Lunessa | mikma: Ventrilo has a lot of alert/notification sounds built in. |
| 15:59.57 | olafski | ackis :P |
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| 16:01.49 | mikma | lunessa: yes, for my output only. i need it to be for everyone :O |
| 16:02.10 | Fisker | hey mikma |
| 16:03.02 | Lunessa | mikma: Yeah, that I don't know of anything like that. |
| 16:03.25 | mikma | fisker: hey hey |
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| 16:05.34 | Lopeppeppy | I have a **cranky** !! |
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| 16:09.00 | Ackis | olafski: I has you on msn i feel specail! |
| 16:09.17 | Ackis | laeg: I was suggesting unit frames (aka pitbull) which will let you do that |
| 16:09.30 | olafski | yer it finally worked :P |
| 16:10.15 | Ackis | I had to accept you on the xbox hah |
| 16:10.20 | Lopeppeppy | Finally, omg. I feel like a failed match maker! |
| 16:11.03 | Ackis | haha |
| 16:11.06 | Ackis | <3 peppy |
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| 16:24.21 | Lopeppeppy | Today is a cranky day, rawr! |
| 16:25.01 | Ackis | http://www.explosm.net/comics/1826/ |
| 16:25.56 | Lopeppeppy | Someone who loves me should order some Patriots M&Ms for my birthday! |
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| 16:30.03 | Lunessa | ... Football themed M&Ms? Wouldn't that be enabling? |
| 16:30.33 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, that's why it would be love! |
| 16:30.42 | Lopeppeppy | I'd have to use them to bake cookies for the superbowl! |
| 16:36.14 | zenzelezz | <Lopeppeppy> Someone who loves me should order some Patriots M&Ms for my birthday! <--- to nitpick, that sentence lacks a "me" |
| 16:36.52 | Lopeppeppy | No, they could order them for themselves too. |
| 16:37.31 | zenzelezz | how would that help you? |
| 16:37.41 | Shirik | rofl Ackis |
| 16:37.47 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, it's your birthday? |
| 16:38.09 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, not today it's not. Just thinking ahead. |
| 16:38.34 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, a good friend is happy when her friends are happy, having nice chocolate M&Ms to celebrate their team with crunch and yum. |
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| 16:49.11 | Lunessa | Mmmm... candy-coated chocolate treats. |
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| 16:50.00 | Lopeppeppy | See? Lunessa is happy now, ish ish ish. |
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| 17:10.24 | Shirik | how ahead, Lopeppeppy? |
| 17:10.38 | Shirik | wonders if Lopeppeppy has her birthdate on wowi |
| 17:10.56 | Lopeppeppy | Tee hee, go find it if you want to know. |
| 17:11.08 | Ackis | Shirik: I don't think you can set the year back that far on modern computer systems... |
| 17:11.14 | Ackis | is soooo dead now. |
| 17:11.29 | Kraps | "Worried your husband might be Gay? Take the test & See. Free Online " |
| 17:11.43 | Lopeppeppy | ACKIS! |
| 17:11.46 | Lopeppeppy | Harumph. |
| 17:11.49 | Lopeppeppy | No M&Ms for joo. |
| 17:11.51 | laeg | Ackis: ty, i will use pitbull, i've used a bit of it before and i believe it's a great mod. but i don't want to go through configuring every single part of it just yet. just want something to flash up TARGETTING YOU close to character so i can keep my focus on him and my icehud buffs and target debuffs |
| 17:11.53 | Ackis | sorry ma'am |
| 17:12.34 | msoul | Anyone using skada here? |
| 17:13.03 | msoul | Had this problem whenever I do toc25 and hide and want to check damage it doesn't show it at all nor anything even if i reset |
| 17:13.11 | msoul | Any idea what might be causing this |
| 17:13.31 | Shirik | logs into WoWI moderation panel |
| 17:13.37 | Shirik | views Lopeppeppy's inner most secrets |
| 17:14.04 | Lopeppeppy | Did I put them in there? Silly me. |
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| 17:14.20 | Shirik | gah |
| 17:14.31 | Shirik | Birthday: Month: ---- Day: __ Year: ____ |
| 17:14.33 | Shirik | :( |
| 17:14.55 | Shirik | Ban user: Permanently. Reason: No birthdate specified, user must be a bot. |
| 17:15.44 | Fisker | fuck yeah |
| 17:15.50 | Shirik | bans Fisker |
| 17:15.51 | Shirik | from life |
| 17:17.49 | Shirik | lol |
| 17:17.52 | Shirik | Windows Server is so wierd |
| 17:17.56 | Shirik | I log into the server and it's all like |
| 17:18.02 | Shirik | "WTF WHY DID THE COMPUTER SHUT DOWN TELL ME NOW" |
| 17:18.13 | Shirik | And I'm like "chill out yo, power went out" |
| 17:18.17 | Shirik | and then it was like "kthxbye" |
| 17:19.07 | Lopeppeppy | I think you have access to where my birthday is, Shirik. If not, ask another girl, they do! |
| 17:19.20 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy |
| 17:19.25 | ArrowmasterClass | facebook? |
| 17:19.29 | Shirik | both I and my mother work very closely with the government |
| 17:19.40 | Shirik | I could tell you details about yourself even you didn't know! |
| 17:19.44 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr, background check me man! |
| 17:19.46 | Shirik | not really but I like to think that :( |
| 17:22.11 | Lopeppeppy | I think it's in LinkedIn... Not sure. |
| 17:25.26 | Shirik | wtf you're not one of my primary contacts |
| 17:25.27 | Shirik | :( |
| 17:25.30 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy does not <3 me |
| 17:26.22 | Ackis | added Shirik to LinkedIn... I think |
| 17:26.24 | Lopeppeppy | I thought we were all linked there. Hmm. |
| 17:26.32 | Shirik | uh |
| 17:26.38 | Shirik | if you don't tell me who you are |
| 17:26.44 | Shirik | it's very possible I responded with a "who the hell is this" message |
| 17:28.02 | Lopeppeppy | I would have told you it was Peppy. |
| 17:28.08 | Lopeppeppy | But birthdays aren't on here, huh.. |
| 17:28.18 | Lopeppeppy | wonders how many ways Shirik will try to track her down to find out! |
| 17:28.40 | Shirik | no Lopeppeppy |
| 17:28.43 | Shirik | That was more at Ackis |
| 17:28.45 | Shirik | I know your name |
| 17:28.52 | Lopeppeppy | *happy glow* |
| 17:29.59 | Shirik | Ackis: Are you John? |
| 17:30.16 | Shirik | maybe I shouldn't have said that publically |
| 17:31.03 | Ackis | Shirik: yes |
| 17:31.08 | Shirik | yeah |
| 17:31.14 | Ackis | Shirik: John Pasula (name is public don't mind) |
| 17:31.15 | Shirik | bad idea to just randomly send me an invite without telling me who you are :P |
| 17:31.29 | Ackis | eh I thought you knew |
| 17:31.40 | Shirik | I give my name out freely (it's in my hostmask too) but I don't know who else wants their name to be public so I try not to release that info :) |
| 17:31.57 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy, for example, would skin y'z alive for it. *perky smile* |
| 17:31.58 | Ackis | yup I know and appreciate it :) |
| 17:32.10 | Ackis | I have you on my blackberry still heh |
| 17:32.24 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy's real name is Rawr |
| 17:32.24 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: your name isn't "public"? |
| 17:32.55 | alestane | Your secret is safe with me, Mildred. |
| 17:32.58 | durcyn | Peppy is a celebrity. |
| 17:33.03 | durcyn | famous, natch. |
| 17:33.27 | Shirik | I think Lopeppeppy would have her name legally changed if it really was Mildred |
| 17:33.53 | kdtresh | my great grandma's name was mildred |
| 17:33.55 | Shirik | is infamous |
| 17:34.27 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, nope, I prefer a bit of privacy that way. |
| 17:34.55 | Ackis | nods |
| 17:38.07 | Ackis | man Fisker you can never come to Edmonton: http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Edmonton+anti+butt+program+deemed+success/2106706/story.html no butt's allowed! |
| 17:38.12 | Shirik | this is where zenzelezz is supposed to say something along the lines of "I would love to have Lopeppeppy with a bit of privacy" |
| 17:38.36 | zenzelezz | :-p |
| 17:38.49 | zenzelezz | how do you know I'm not an exhibitionist? |
| 17:39.25 | alestane | Three consecutive Rich Saronite Deposits, not bad. |
| 17:39.59 | Vilkku | I've asked this many times without any response, so new try: is there a way for me to get my own AFK message without watching CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM? |
| 17:40.24 | Shirik | You probably could hook the function that sets AFK status |
| 17:40.29 | Shirik | and keep your own record of it |
| 17:40.34 | alestane | What your AFK message is set to, you mean? |
| 17:40.36 | Shirik | I'm not sure if the game calls that function on auto-afk |
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| 17:40.56 | Vilkku | alestane, yep |
| 17:41.15 | Vilkku | Shirik, according to wowprogramming it is fired every time the message is shown |
| 17:41.49 | Shirik | uh |
| 17:41.54 | Shirik | I think you mis understood me Vilkku |
| 17:42.20 | Vilkku | oh |
| 17:42.26 | Vilkku | yeah I misread :P |
| 17:43.01 | Vilkku | well, not an option really |
| 17:43.14 | Vilkku | actually it is |
| 17:43.54 | Vilkku | so, Shirik, any clue what that function might be? |
| 17:45.04 | Shirik | nope, but you can certainly go look up the codethat handles the slash command /afk |
| 17:45.43 | Kaso| | i seem to recall it being SendChatMessage |
| 17:45.53 | Vilkku | oyeah Kaso|, now that you say it |
| 17:46.24 | Vilkku | what would be worse, hooking on SendChatMessage or watch CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM? |
| 17:46.37 | Kaso| | the hook seems dirty and wrong to me |
| 17:46.42 | Vilkku | idd |
| 17:46.44 | Kaso| | im not sure if thats entirely objective though |
| 17:46.56 | Shirik | uh |
| 17:47.00 | Shirik | why is it wrong? |
| 17:47.09 | Vilkku | just gonna watch the event I guess, the performance impact will be minimal anyway |
| 17:47.14 | Shirik | If auto-afk does work that way, I think it's the best way to do it |
| 17:47.56 | Kaso| | hooking a major function like sendchatmessage to avoid having to watch one event? (i guess sendchatmessage isnt as bad too hook as it use to be in pre-sendaddonmessage times, but still) |
| 17:48.04 | mojosdojo | Seerah: http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=275&a=viewbug&bugid=5131&so=&page=2 |
| 17:48.45 | Seerah | thank you, mojosdojo. :) I saw it earlier, just busy with other things atm. :) |
| 17:48.59 | Shirik | the alternative is doing some locale-dependent mess with parsing CHAT_MSG_SYSTEM |
| 17:50.02 | Kaso| | can't you just parse it using the string from Globalstrings? |
| 17:50.23 | Kaso| | though i guess that's still messing about a bit |
| 17:52.02 | Kaso| | I just have flashbacks to when ctra et al used to calling sendchatmessage many times a second and it puts me off the idea of hooking it. as I said my objection was not really and objective assessment |
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| 17:59.43 | Ackis | olafski: I finished off kingdom of kefflings last night lol |
| 18:01.21 | Ackis | 6 retail and 2 live games complete! not too shabby for 1 month of gaming :D |
| 18:09.42 | alestane | I'm surprised...Gnomish X-Ray specs actually work. |
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| 18:12.14 | Shirik | they're Gnomish |
| 18:12.39 | Lopeppeppy | Goblin stuff is crappy. Gnomish works. |
| 18:12.41 | alestane | I expected them to work about as well as the ones from the Bazooka Joe ads. |
| 18:13.21 | DWSR | The secret to goblin engineering is not preventing explosions, but directing those explosions to be useful. |
| 18:15.49 | Dagmar | I was under the impression that their stuff generally explodes whether they want it to or not |
| 18:17.21 | ZorbaTHut | goblin stuff and gnomish stuff is both equally crappy. goblin stuff tends to fail by exploding, and gnomish stuff tends to fail in more bizarre ways. |
| 18:17.51 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EUXnJraKM3k |
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| 18:18.07 | Dagmar | My take was that goblins are interested in weapons which sometimes explode and kill both the target and you, or just you |
| 18:18.11 | alestane | Although I'm surprised that the Gnomish XRay specs don't work more like the Romance-Enhancing Goggles. |
| 18:19.07 | Dagmar | Gnomes aren't always trying to make weapons, so mostly you just _wish_ it would have killed you when it malfunctions. |
| 18:19.20 | Kraps | holy shit look at this! http://store.steampowered.com/sub/1618/ |
| 18:21.02 | foxlit | Shirik: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUawhjxLS2I then |
| 18:22.09 | Shirik | sound needed foxlit? |
| 18:22.21 | foxlit | Shirik: yes. |
| 18:22.26 | Shirik | maybe later then |
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| 18:25.47 | Aqua | anyone know of an addon that breaks down crafting to raw materials, like for example, if something takes imbued frostweave, it tells you the raw mats? |
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| 18:26.37 | DWSR | foxlit: lol |
| 18:26.40 | DWSR | That's great. |
| 18:26.45 | DWSR | Shirik: bookmark that |
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| 18:36.33 | DWSR | Cold weather is cold. |
| 18:38.35 | Lopeppeppy | Hear hear. |
| 18:38.46 | Lopeppeppy | Next week it might give us a heatwave of above 50 degrees!! |
| 18:39.04 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: lol, it's about 35 degrees here. |
| 18:39.43 | Lopeppeppy | We've got 40 right now, and snow falling nearby |
| 18:40.19 | Thunder_Child | i'm loving the cold and rain. i still remember the 95 deg. days |
| 18:40.26 | ZorbaTHut | aqua, ATSW will do that |
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| 18:41.56 | Lopeppeppy | Wow.... http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=125161&catid=339 Hope he sits real still... |
| 18:42.27 | Ackis | OMG Lopeppeppy http://ow.ly/uCF5 CUTENESSOVERLOAD |
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| 18:44.20 | cog|work | anyone noticing a recent rise in spam getting through gmail's blocker? |
| 18:44.38 | ZorbaTHut | lope, I hope he's okay because that is totally awesome and it would suck if he died from it |
| 18:44.43 | ZorbaTHut | we need more mad scientists in the world |
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| 18:46.10 | Lopeppeppy | cog, my gmail hasn't had spam much at all. |
| 18:46.32 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis: Awwwww. |
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| 18:58.50 | olafski | ackis: gg :P |
| 18:59.18 | Ackis | olafski: i r nerd |
| 19:02.06 | nevcairiel | ERR_LFG_DESERTER_PLAYER = "You can not look for dungeons until your deserter debuff wears off."; |
| 19:02.08 | nevcairiel | woot ^ |
| 19:02.32 | nevcairiel | LFD_RANDOM_EXPLANATION = "Using the Dungeons panel to do a Random Dungeon will earn you extra rewards."; |
| 19:02.35 | nevcairiel | interesting, too |
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| 19:04.35 | olafski | yeah quite :O |
| 19:04.45 | Ackis | hahahahah Fisker |
| 19:04.47 | Ackis | Fisker: |
| 19:05.12 | Ackis | Fisker: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/arl.aspx#589818 |
| 19:05.28 | Lopeppeppy | Finally! |
| 19:05.44 | Ackis | sorry e-mail came on my blackberry and I got excited |
| 19:06.28 | Lopeppeppy | Don't spill any on the equipment, Ackis. |
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| 19:06.52 | Sesshu| | hi guys |
| 19:06.56 | Lopeppeppy | Morning. |
| 19:07.25 | nevcairiel | huh wtf did you write in there Ackis |
| 19:08.09 | nevcairiel | oh the changelog |
| 19:10.59 | ZorbaTHut | I do hope they put in one or two veto checkboxes for random |
| 19:11.15 | ZorbaTHut | there is one instance I just have no instance in ever doing ever |
| 19:11.24 | pompy | Ackis: haha did you remove that latest comment? |
| 19:11.26 | nevcairiel | well so leave if you hit that :P |
| 19:11.37 | ZorbaTHut | and then get the deserter debuff? ;) |
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| 19:13.23 | Ackis | pompy: nope just the spam one :D |
| 19:13.33 | Ackis | haha I need to read Torhal's commit notes more: In ARL-Runeforge.lua: Renamed the fucking copy-failpaste "addon:InitFirstAid" to "addon:InitRuneforging". Everywhere else: Minor and unimportant changes. |
| 19:13.42 | pompy | Ackis: the one where hte guy said 2570 is fishy? |
| 19:13.54 | pompy | Ackis: yeah! it was all u there :P |
| 19:14.35 | ZorbaTHut | ackis, entertaining changelogs are the best |
| 19:14.37 | Ackis | I didn't see that one tbh |
| 19:14.46 | ZorbaTHut | I have had people say they use QH partially just because the changelogs are so amusing to read |
| 19:14.47 | Ackis | ZorbaTHut: I've got in trouble for some of the stuff I've written :( |
| 19:14.52 | ZorbaTHut | trouble with who? |
| 19:15.30 | Ackis | the CF bosses lol |
| 19:15.44 | ZorbaTHut | oy |
| 19:17.27 | Ackis | 13:10GlobalEdmontonWe're streaming video of the 6 year old trapped in the helium balloon live on our website, http://globaltvedmonton.com |
| 19:17.29 | Ackis | lol wtf |
| 19:17.42 | Lopeppeppy | I linked that already, silly bear! |
| 19:18.07 | Ackis | streaming video though? |
| 19:19.01 | Lopeppeppy | I think it was linked from mine, but there's bound to be tons of that. |
| 19:19.13 | Lopeppeppy | And if some rat bastard films that child falling, I'll rip him/her to shreds. |
| 19:21.41 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: what about the rat bastard who shoots at the balloon with a gun? :P |
| 19:23.54 | theorbtwo | Oh. I was just pondering if I should track you down and complain that the latest questhelper seems rather wonky. |
| 19:24.20 | Ackis | theorbtwo: is it causing wow to crash on you? |
| 19:24.45 | theorbtwo | No. Doesn't get objectives quite right, and sometimes shows quests that should be filtered due to level. |
| 19:25.06 | theorbtwo | I tried to track down that later one, and it seems to think my level is higher then it actually is. |
| 19:25.32 | Ackis | I've been noticing that WoW is crashing and giving me that error report, I felt like blaming QH because everything is QH's fault right ZorbaTHut? |
| 19:26.14 | theorbtwo | Not quite right, as in it'll tell me I should be killing murlock scouts when really I should be opening ground spawn, it'll just list "acquire Foo", when it should be "kill Bar for Foo", and the like. |
| 19:27.04 | ZorbaTHut | ackis, the worst part is when the GMs start doing that :( |
| 19:27.13 | ZorbaTHut | although it's kind of made up for by people who just assume QH is WoW |
| 19:27.19 | ZorbaTHut | I had one guy ask me to raise the level cap and add more quests :D |
| 19:27.38 | Ackis | lol |
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| 19:30.10 | Cide | "The source data for a patch file could not be located. (Patch: "enUS\component.wow-enUS.txt". Output: "component.wow-enUS.txt".) (CopyPatchConverter::Repack)" |
| 19:30.14 | Cide | what the hell does this mean? |
| 19:31.15 | Ackis | means that it couldn't find the source data |
| 19:31.19 | Ackis | dur |
| 19:32.39 | theorbtwo | Cide: It means one of your .mpq files is fucked, I think. |
| 19:33.57 | Cide | great. |
| 19:34.38 | Fisker | i know what it means Cide |
| 19:34.42 | Fisker | "The source data for a patch file could not be located. (Patch: "enUS\component.wow-enUS.txt". Output: "component.wow-enUS.txt".) (CopyPatchConverter::Repack)" |
| 19:34.46 | Cide | stfu |
| 19:34.58 | Ackis | Fisker: did you read my url for you? |
| 19:41.46 | kdtresh | balloon down? |
| 19:42.30 | Lopeppeppy | They were sending a helicopter after it. |
| 19:42.52 | kdtresh | video looks like it's on the ground |
| 19:42.54 | DWSR | apparently there was no kid? |
| 19:44.01 | Kraps | WTF |
| 19:44.34 | Lopeppeppy | ... so where the hell is he? Now I'm quite concerned. |
| 19:44.57 | Kraps | goes to wikipedia cuz they update quicker than news websites |
| 19:45.13 | kdtresh | if they saw it come down and didn't see anyone running away |
| 19:45.28 | kdtresh | he either bailed at the start or at some point before they were videoing it |
| 19:45.43 | kdtresh | or they have video of him bailing and aren't showing it |
| 19:46.59 | Kaso | news article has been updated to list the child as "missing" suggesting maybe he wasnt in the balloon at all |
| 19:47.03 | Lopeppeppy | Or... well, the things I dont' want to think. |
| 19:47.13 | Lopeppeppy | Missing could mean that he fell from the balloon. He's only 6, for cat's sake. |
| 19:47.32 | kdtresh | i'd suspect maybe he untied the tether and freaked out when it floated off |
| 19:47.41 | kdtresh | check the bushes around his house |
| 19:47.42 | Kaso | that seems plausable |
| 19:48.29 | Lopeppeppy | I would like that solution very much. |
| 19:49.18 | Kraps | live vid with commentary http://wcbstv.com/cbsnewslive |
| 19:49.55 | pompy | it was a hoax or he fell out |
| 19:51.11 | Lopeppeppy | I want a hoax please! |
| 19:54.19 | Kraps | kids name is falcon, what did his parents expect? |
| 19:54.59 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:55.05 | Shirik | I just used a data type I've never used before |
| 19:55.16 | Lopeppeppy | balloon? |
| 19:55.23 | Shirik | const volatile char * const |
| 19:55.33 | Kraps | "Richard and his wife Naomi previously appeared on an episode of the U.S. television show Wife Swap." /facepalm |
| 19:55.36 | kdtresh | Kraps: his parents had a huge helium balloon tied up in their yard with an unsupervised six-year-old running around, what did they expect? |
| 19:56.43 | Kraps | kdtresh: his parents are wierdos, what did they expect? |
| 19:57.04 | kdtresh | what did WE expect? lol |
| 19:57.16 | Kraps | heh |
| 19:57.22 | NightHawkTheSane | This looks like it might be an interesting text editor: http://www.sublimetext.com/ |
| 19:58.55 | Cide | looks pretty neat |
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| 20:07.40 | Shirik | seen it NightHawkTheSane |
| 20:07.43 | Shirik | also, hate it |
| 20:07.46 | Shirik | but I know people that swear by it |
| 20:08.10 | NightHawkTheSane | i haven't tried it, it just looked interesting |
| 20:08.47 | Cide | hate it why? |
| 20:09.02 | Cide | I tried it out briefly just now but the file open dialog failed |
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| 20:13.42 | Shirik | Cide: Just it's not appealing to me |
| 20:13.50 | Shirik | it seems to focus too much on the UI and not enough on functionality |
| 20:13.59 | Shirik | it requires too much mouse action |
| 20:14.48 | Shirik | I am constantly looking for a way to not use a mouse |
| 20:15.14 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:15.17 | Shirik | I get pissed off at the school computers because you can't hit windows+R |
| 20:15.28 | Shirik | Which is incredibly stupid because you can get to the command prompt |
| 20:15.46 | Fisker | winkey alone > winkey+r |
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| 20:20.48 | durcyn | look at this dane, he's more wrong than anyone ever |
| 20:25.37 | Lunessa | Good lord it's been a crazy day. |
| 20:26.07 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I second that Lunessa. Freaky Thursday. |
| 20:26.30 | NightHawkTheSane | agrees |
| 20:26.37 | NightHawkTheSane | I never could get the hang of Thursdays |
| 20:30.15 | Lopeppeppy | Thursday and Friday take too long,a nd I'm not allowed to kill anyone. Boring! |
| 20:30.23 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|Maybe |
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| 20:33.48 | Ackis | anyone know how I can get a jpeg/png out of a word doc? |
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| 20:34.01 | Shirik|Sorta | copy paste |
| 20:34.07 | Lunessa | But... New blackberry |
| 20:34.31 | Shirik|Sorta | sighs |
| 20:34.35 | Ackis | Shirik|Sorta: can't copy paste from word doc into OS? |
| 20:34.42 | Shirik|Sorta | yes you can |
| 20:34.45 | Lunessa | Work replaced the Curve 8310 with a Curve 8900 |
| 20:34.51 | Shirik|Sorta | you need the modmemory kernel module |
| 20:34.58 | Shirik|Sorta | lets you copy anything into any memory location |
| 20:35.47 | Shirik|Sorta | how the heck does linux come up with its pids |
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| 20:38.26 | Shirik|Sorta | ok let's see if this works |
| 20:38.38 | Lunessa | Ackis Copy/Paste to Paint |
| 20:39.02 | Torhal | Ackis: Foof! |
| 20:39.24 | Ackis | Torhal: w00f |
| 20:39.36 | Torhal | I think that's the first time I cursed in a commit message. It was after half an hour of tracking down why First Aid was saying none of the recipes exist. |
| 20:40.05 | Ackis | Torhal: I luled |
| 20:40.12 | Torhal | Hehehe |
| 20:40.12 | Ackis | I told pompy that you wanted to hit me |
| 20:41.00 | Lunessa | Heh.. *I* wanted to hit you after I discovered that you default to filtering by character's class on recipe scans. |
| 20:41.08 | Kraps | underwater photos are so hot |
| 20:41.12 | pompy | haha |
| 20:41.30 | Ackis | Lunessa: everyone wants to hit me |
| 20:41.35 | Torhal | Very strange. Revelation has been going up and down on number of people marking it as a favorite since I first put it on WoWI. This last push, I removed Dewdrop. I got 10 new favorites. |
| 20:41.37 | Ackis | for class filtering there's no "right" choice |
| 20:41.44 | Lunessa | Ackis: You're a new boss fight in Mafia Wars! |
| 20:41.59 | Kraps | and cute http://sugarock99.deviantart.com/art/Best-Friends-128008689 |
| 20:42.04 | Ackis | Lunessa: haven't been playing since I got my xbox lol |
| 20:42.34 | DWSR | How do I grab a copy of the PTR patch? |
| 20:43.13 | Kraps | red-heads under water = win |
| 20:43.13 | NightHawkTheSane | hits Ackis |
| 20:43.35 | Ackis | ouch |
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| 20:46.39 | Shirik | well that was confusing |
| 20:46.57 | Shirik | but it works yay |
| 20:47.05 | Shirik | now has a bnc set up |
| 20:47.12 | Shirik | all your chats are belong to me |
| 20:47.52 | Torhal | Shirik: Speaking of which...http://fapit.net/v/841/the_bios.jpg.html |
| 20:48.03 | Shirik | fail Torhal |
| 20:48.07 | Shirik | l2link |
| 20:48.32 | Torhal | ? |
| 20:48.37 | Shirik | I can't double click that |
| 20:48.42 | Thunder_Child | you have a . before the link |
| 20:48.42 | olafski | probably the periods in front of http |
| 20:48.49 | Torhal | http://fapit.net/v/841/the_bios.jpg.html |
| 20:48.50 | olafski | works fine here, get a better client shirik :) |
| 20:48.57 | Shirik | get a better human! |
| 20:49.00 | Shirik | Anyway |
| 20:49.04 | Shirik | It says press <g> to continue |
| 20:49.07 | Thunder_Child | you set yourself up for that Shirik |
| 20:49.11 | Shirik | how the heck is it supposed to register the <g> |
| 20:49.11 | olafski | while you're at it you can get rid of that bnc ;) |
| 20:49.23 | Torhal | Hehe |
| 20:49.24 | olafski | because the bios it's on about is the raid bios? |
| 20:49.28 | Shirik | oh |
| 20:49.32 | Shirik | yes |
| 20:49.34 | olafski | or sata bios |
| 20:49.35 | Shirik | that makes much more sense |
| 20:49.35 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:49.42 | olafski | I don't really see the problem with the pic |
| 20:49.51 | olafski | I mean it has Engrish but that's hardly noteworthy anymore |
| 20:49.57 | Shirik | yeah |
| 20:50.00 | Shirik | but it's fun :) |
| 20:50.10 | Torhal | He brought up a variation of the Zero Wing thing, so I linked that |
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| 21:13.05 | DWSR | http://fapit.net/v/78/Transformers.png.html <- ehehe. |
| 21:13.42 | DWSR | http://fapit.net/v/1339/abortion.jpg.html <-- Classic out of context. |
| 21:14.50 | Pewpewarrows | after uploading a ui compilation to wowinterface, is there a reason why it would disappear from my "uploaded history" during a pending decision? |
| 21:16.12 | DWSR | http://fapit.net/v/1377/honestly.jpg.html <- AHAHAHAHAHA |
| 21:17.01 | Aelobin | http://fapit.net/v/1385/irrelevance.jpg.html :P |
| 21:17.43 | DWSR | http://fapit.net/v/1079/magic_roundabout.jpg.html |
| 21:18.05 | Ackis | I R TWIT http://twitter.com/jpasula |
| 21:19.12 | Aelobin | http://fapit.net/v/1016/darwin_awards_2008.jpg.html xD |
| 21:20.24 | NightHawkTheSane | this is neat: http://www.google.com/search?q=ascii+art |
| 21:20.29 | DWSR | Aelobin: Not that unsafe, tbh. |
| 21:20.36 | DWSR | Aelobin: They're not using salt water. Fresh water isn't conductive. |
| 21:21.01 | Aelobin | :< |
| 21:21.12 | Sesshu| | rofl |
| 21:22.10 | Sesshu | (NightHawkTheSane): the google logo looks a bit curious |
| 21:22.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Sesshu: thats whats neat :P |
| 21:22.48 | Aelobin | DWSR: this is basically just fukung isnt it? :P |
| 21:23.03 | DWSR | yes |
| 21:23.41 | DWSR | Your time = my bitch. |
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| 21:27.34 | Aelobin | http://fapit.net/v/1341/assholes_mom.jpg.html |
| 21:28.40 | Sesshu | (Aelobin): hack huh? |
| 21:28.55 | Aelobin | wut? :o |
| 21:29.05 | Aelobin | guessing someone set a custom name at the start of pokemon :p |
| 21:29.41 | Sesshu | hm |
| 21:29.56 | Sesshu | i never played pokeman |
| 21:29.58 | Sesshu | mon |
| 21:29.59 | Sesshu | ! |
| 21:30.19 | Sesshu | +have |
| 21:30.54 | Aelobin | :o |
| 21:31.48 | Shirik | Sesshu o.o |
| 21:31.56 | Sesshu | yes? |
| 21:32.05 | Shirik | wtb more rapid typing |
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| 21:32.13 | Sesshu | -.- |
| 21:32.25 | Shirik | I like your correction rate |
| 21:33.58 | Sesshu | i like the @ before your name |
| 21:35.06 | Sesshu | http://fapit.net/v/372/fan_art.jpg.html |
| 21:35.14 | Shirik | I like the @ too! |
| 21:35.19 | Shirik | actually, I have a *@ |
| 21:35.22 | Shirik | but you don't see that |
| 21:35.34 | Shirik | the bnc is doing something strange to my messages |
| 21:35.36 | Shirik | not sure why |
| 21:35.49 | Fisker | you just ordered a thousand liters of milk |
| 21:35.54 | Shirik | yes |
| 21:35.58 | Shirik | from your mom |
| 21:36.05 | Shirik | and now I will go to sleep |
| 21:36.06 | Shirik | baibai |
| 21:36.22 | Sesshu | bb Shirik |
| 21:36.48 | Aelobin | haha http://fapit.net/v/364/fails.jpg.html |
| 21:38.31 | Sesshu | creativityness > all |
| 21:39.43 | cog|work | sighs ... "No, I can't tech support your personal e-mail address" |
| 21:42.14 | Lunessa | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.24 | Sesshu | http://fapit.net/v/1499/1337.jpg.html |
| 21:45.01 | Kraps | carrie underwood does it again |
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| 21:45.27 | Lunessa | Sesshu: If she's offering... |
| 21:47.46 | Fisker | that's fucking fail |
| 21:47.50 | Fisker | 1 = L |
| 21:47.52 | Aelobin | Sesshu: lol had to focus to read that |
| 21:47.54 | Fisker | fucks sake |
| 21:48.10 | Sesshu | xD |
| 21:50.59 | Aelobin | how's ol' fisker doing today then/ |
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| 21:51.24 | Fisker | great |
| 21:51.26 | Fisker | wanna make out? |
| 21:53.01 | durcyn | too busy playing sc2 beta, can't make out |
| 21:53.24 | Fisker | i wasn't asking you :/ |
| 21:54.33 | Arrowmaster | rofl at these /. comments, "how do you punish a company except by a fiscal penalty?" "you get an article put up on a major news site that features the company name and alludes that they've been stalking their customers." "This is a major news site?" "This site sometimes breaks major news sites." |
| 21:57.14 | PProvost | From an API perspective, how can I tell if a toon (name) is online? They aren't in raid or group yet. |
| 21:57.18 | PProvost | UnitExists(name) only works when name is in group with you |
| 21:57.21 | PProvost | Thoughts? |
| 21:57.37 | Arrowmaster | you cant |
| 21:57.39 | tekkub | the firends list |
| 21:57.44 | PProvost | hrm |
| 21:57.47 | PProvost | crap |
| 21:57.50 | Kaso | yah the friends list is usually the way to do it |
| 21:57.51 | tekkub | or who |
| 21:57.55 | Kaso | add them, then remove them |
| 21:57.57 | tekkub | which you don't want to fuck with |
| 21:58.11 | PProvost | tekkub: which part? who or friends list? :) |
| 21:58.14 | tekkub | who |
| 21:58.29 | PProvost | too ugly or doesn't work well? |
| 21:58.34 | tekkub | yes |
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| 21:59.57 | PProvost | fugly I can handle, doesn't work well I'll avoid |
| 22:00.29 | Arrowmaster | does that player info from guid function work on offline players? |
| 22:00.30 | Kaso | the problem with who is you're limited to one like every 10 seconds |
| 22:00.46 | PProvost | ah |
| 22:00.48 | PProvost | That won't work |
| 22:00.52 | Kaso | (globally so if a player has just who'd you have to wait before you query) |
| 22:00.55 | Arrowmaster | 5 seconds, and you dont know what the query was when you get the results |
| 22:01.35 | Kaso | ah 5 seconds, only 100% off :( |
| 22:02.26 | Aelobin | how about a SendAddonMessage that picks up the "User not online" feedback? :P |
| 22:02.40 | Aelobin | through whisper i mean |
| 22:02.53 | jnwhiteh | anyone have a log of when lua_bot went offline? |
| 22:03.09 | Arrowmaster | that can get dirty because of the message hiding |
| 22:03.16 | Kraps | http://fapit.net/v/895/wait_02.jpg.html |
| 22:03.17 | PProvost | jnwhiteh: about 90 mins ago |
| 22:03.47 | jnwhiteh | hrm, thanks. |
| 22:03.54 | Aelobin | Arrowmaster: filter it for 1 second after the message is sent, then unfilter. if the filter "proccs" during that 1 second theyre offline? |
| 22:04.00 | Aelobin | not all that reliable i guess though |
| 22:04.09 | PProvost | ugh |
| 22:04.12 | PProvost | sounds terrible |
| 22:04.21 | PProvost | I could friend/ignore them I suppose |
| 22:04.44 | PProvost | But I would have to check to see if a) either list is already full and b) whether they are already in that list |
| 22:05.02 | PProvost | hmm |
| 22:05.25 | Aelobin | the latter should be easy enough, for the former just temporarily remove one? :P |
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| 22:07.48 | Aelobin | youll stil have to filter out the adding/removing friend system messages though xD |
| 22:08.18 | Aelobin | CHAT_MSG_ADDOn doesn't fire for messages you've sent does it? |
| 22:09.37 | Arrowmaster | dont think so |
| 22:09.52 | Sesshu | is doesn't fire when you whispered an add on message |
| 22:09.58 | PProvost | I think it does actually |
| 22:10.18 | PProvost | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/CHAT_MSG_ADDON |
| 22:10.27 | PProvost | he local client receives any messages it sends; thus, this event fires for messages sent by the local client as well as those receives from others. |
| 22:10.37 | Sesshu | but if you wrothe a guild add in message or something it fires |
| 22:10.57 | Sesshu | -h |
| 22:11.12 | Aelobin | ah it only fires for your messages if it's party/guild/raid etc |
| 22:11.14 | Aelobin | not whispers |
| 22:11.37 | Aelobin | there must be some way to check if the SendAddonMessage got through successfully without relying on filters? :/ |
| 22:12.36 | Sesshu | CHAT_MSG_ADDON fires when you got a add on whisper |
| 22:12.42 | Sesshu | . |
| 22:13.01 | Arrowmaster | there isnt |
| 22:13.36 | Kraps | THEY FOUND THE KID |
| 22:13.41 | durcyn | dead or what |
| 22:13.47 | Sesshu | what kid? |
| 22:13.54 | Sesshu | yours? |
| 22:13.56 | Kraps | Police in Colorado have confirmed a missing 6-year-old boy feared lost in balloon was found safe at home, CBS 2 has learned. |
| 22:14.17 | PProvost | KIK |
| 22:14.20 | PProvost | LOL even |
| 22:14.32 | Dagmar | lost _in_ balloon? |
| 22:14.47 | Ackis | i think a pen blew up in my mouth and I'm too embarassed to ask someone if I have ink all over my face lol |
| 22:15.02 | bleeter | https://twitpic.com/kzn0y |
| 22:15.05 | PProvost | Dad makes homemade hot air balloon, balloon flies away, family can't find kid, media frenzy ensues, kid comes out from under bed?? |
| 22:15.29 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 22:15.35 | Dagmar | Someone's SOOO grounded |
| 22:15.39 | Kraps | garage or something |
| 22:15.48 | Aelobin | bleeter: lulz :p |
| 22:15.53 | Dagmar | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8309818.stm |
| 22:15.54 | Dagmar | Found it |
| 22:16.12 | bleeter | Aelobin: not my work, very though innit! :D |
| 22:16.30 | bleeter | Adys: ok ok I'm posting that stuff to the UI forum now... |
| 22:18.02 | Sesshu | OMG a gm teleported me down from the stormwind wall and said it forbidden Oo |
| 22:18.06 | Sesshu | lol! |
| 22:18.34 | Sesshu | i'm always developing add ons there |
| 22:18.35 | Sesshu | :( |
| 22:18.53 | Dagmar | He should have just done like I do and killed you |
| 22:18.54 | Sesshu | it's so nice and quiet there |
| 22:19.33 | Dagmar | Ice Trap On A Stick solves so many problems |
| 22:20.00 | mikma | yey mr.chilly |
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| 22:21.25 | Aelobin__ | O_o |
| 22:22.30 | Kraps | this article is still wtf http://wcbstv.com/breakingnewsalerts/boy.in.balloon.2.1250642.html |
| 22:25.45 | ZorbaTHut | attic, apparently |
| 22:25.50 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2684744/Balloon-boy-found-alive-in-the-attic-of-his-home-Boy-who-sparked-world-wide-scare-is-safe-and-well.html#ixzz0U2uXNZPC |
| 22:26.07 | mikma | WOLF! WOLF! |
| 22:26.26 | ZorbaTHut | man he totally should have gotten in |
| 22:26.31 | ZorbaTHut | he would've had an awesome story |
| 22:26.59 | mikma | "world wide scare" |
| 22:27.05 | mikma | fuck that |
| 22:27.08 | Kraps | ZorbaTHut: i think he would be too heavy |
| 22:27.25 | ZorbaTHut | well then there wouldn't have been a problem at all |
| 22:27.34 | mikma | yes, i know it happened, cause internet is everywhere, but was i scared/interested? no. |
| 22:28.00 | mikma | i wonder did his daddy teach him that trick |
| 22:28.35 | Kraps | mikma: you're a cruel, heartless bastard |
| 22:28.42 | Kraps | i think |
| 22:28.48 | mikma | kraps: thank you :) |
| 22:28.53 | Kraps | mp |
| 22:28.56 | Kraps | np* |
| 22:29.31 | bleeter | Adys: done |
| 22:29.37 | PProvost | Look at it this way... if it has happened in Sweden, mikma still wouldn't care and we wouldn't even know about it. |
| 22:29.44 | Dagmar | His parents will probably move his bed up there tomorrow and then nail the attic shut with him in it |
| 22:29.46 | PProvost | :D |
| 22:29.47 | bleeter | Adys: I've replied to your email to me, with the links to the posts I made of your requests |
| 22:29.52 | Kraps | "He said the boy apparently has been in the attic the whole time. " |
| 22:29.55 | Kraps | lal |
| 22:30.08 | Kraps | and they had "searched the house" |
| 22:30.16 | mikma | pprovost: that's... cool way to put it :D |
| 22:30.21 | mikma | pprovost: and so true |
| 22:31.12 | Kraps | PProvost: thats why US > Sweden |
| 22:32.21 | mikma | riiiight. what's that saying again.. "you are making a moose out of fly" ^^ |
| 22:33.27 | Kraps | issue out of a tissue; mountain out of a molehill etc |
| 22:33.40 | mikma | hehe |
| 22:33.40 | ZorbaTHut | unicron out of an asteroid |
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| 22:34.02 | Sesshu | huh |
| 22:34.55 | Kraps | but come on, how often does a kid get launched in a weather tester and flown 70 miles? |
| 22:35.03 | Kraps | except that he didnt |
| 22:35.11 | mikma | never |
| 22:35.12 | Kraps | but we thought he did |
| 22:35.32 | Sesshu | getplyerinfobyguid returns warrior if i put in the guid of the gm |
| 22:35.39 | mikma | how many times has a boy fallen down into a well, and been hiding in some farmhouse afterall |
| 22:35.52 | mikma | sesshu: and? |
| 22:35.59 | PProvost | I heard it on the local news a few hours ago (I'm in Colorado) and the thing that I wondered... how do you get him down? |
| 22:36.06 | Sesshu | thats all |
| 22:36.09 | ZorbaTHut | pprovost, wait for it to land |
| 22:36.11 | mikma | pprovost: shoot the balloon with shotgun |
| 22:36.15 | PProvost | lol mikma |
| 22:37.02 | Sesshu | youtube is blocked in turkey |
| 22:37.03 | Sesshu | ! |
| 22:37.15 | mikma | youblock |
| 22:37.26 | Kraps | youlose |
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| 22:38.55 | PProvost | ZorbaTHut: that's about all I could think of too |
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| 22:40.05 | mikma | next subject! |
| 22:44.25 | PProvost | okay... bald or hair? |
| 22:52.11 | tekkub | where? |
| 22:52.28 | mikma | pprovost: i'm going with the hair atm |
| 22:52.47 | tekkub | bald on top (naturally) is fine, those are the ones that tend to be hairy fuckers elsewhere |
| 22:54.39 | PProvost | lol |
| 22:55.24 | A-KO | anyone here ever set up symantec endpoint protection? |
| 22:56.33 | WobWork | oh good |
| 22:56.36 | WobWork | he wasn't in the baloon |
| 22:56.40 | WobWork | balloon |
| 22:56.51 | WobWork | that was a lot of brouhaha |
| 22:56.58 | WobWork | but at least it ended well |
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| 22:58.06 | Zyn- | the balloon kid trolled the entire world |
| 22:58.14 | Zyn- | Fisker , are you up to the challenge? |
| 22:59.10 | Kraps | Zyn-: you're implying that people would care if he disappeared |
| 22:59.14 | Jerub | A-KO: no, but i know a symantec developer on irc ;) |
| 22:59.17 | Zyn- | :( |
| 23:00.20 | Kraps | preempts Fiskers trout slap by going to eat supper |
| 23:05.07 | cog|work | eats Fisker's trout for supper |
| 23:07.04 | bleeter | what the fuck?? http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jy_z-Zo4fvJEf2TK1LCiiPIe9NDwD9BBPMH00 |
| 23:08.09 | Sesshu | press articles? |
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| 23:13.01 | NeoTron | bleeter: blast to the past. serious wtf there |
| 23:13.45 | tem | bleeter, welcome to louisianna. We're racists for the right reasons |
| 23:15.46 | ccox | welcome to the US South |
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| 23:16.29 | DWSR | Why is it that women INSIST ON TWILIGHT REFERENCES WHEN TRYING TO WRITE YOU A LETTER? |
| 23:16.50 | tem | Grats on getting letters from 15 year old girls |
| 23:16.57 | DWSR | She's 22. =\ |
| 23:16.58 | NightHawkTheSane | hah |
| 23:16.59 | ccox | DWSR - why do you insisst on writing underage women? |
| 23:17.00 | tem | try not to get arrested |
| 23:17.11 | bleeter | rofls |
| 23:17.30 | DWSR | http://fapit.net/v/48/Jailbait18.jpg.html |
| 23:17.32 | bleeter | oh hang on.. IQ of 22 |
| 23:18.00 | DWSR | http://fapit.net/v/424/gothopotamus.jpg.html |
| 23:19.21 | DWSR | http://fapit.net/v/1224/awesome_04.jpg.html <-- Totally and completely NSFW. |
| 23:19.41 | NightHawkTheSane | and the other two are? |
| 23:20.20 | DWSR | Well, the 2nd one's SFW. |
| 23:20.23 | DWSR | the first one...eh. |
| 23:20.25 | DWSR | probably not. |
| 23:20.42 | Lunessa | hate you so much |
| 23:20.46 | DWSR | But, the fact that I didn't tag the first two and tagged the third probably shows you how NSFW that is. |
| 23:20.51 | DWSR | LOL Lunessa |
| 23:20.54 | cog|work | ~Lunessa++ |
| 23:21.16 | NightHawkTheSane | ... Is this supposed to get me to stop pirating? http://gizmodo.com/5377138/this-movie-theater-tells-it-how-it-is |
| 23:22.24 | DWSR | I think so. =\ |
| 23:22.33 | DWSR | It obviously just made that person take out their camera a little early. |
| 23:22.38 | cog|work | lol... there are way more active torrents at any given moment than cinemas on the entire planet, I'm sure... |
| 23:22.42 | Lunessa | Ok, time to go home. |
| 23:22.46 | Lunessa | Later. |
| 23:22.54 | DWSR | cog|work: lol |
| 23:23.16 | DWSR | cog|work: I'm pretty sure that some of the smaller private trackers on the net have more active torrents than there are cinemas. |
| 23:23.33 | NightHawkTheSane | cog|work: i could very well have more active torrents myself than there are theatres in this city |
| 23:23.36 | DWSR | cog|work: Actually, i bet you What.cd has more active torrents than there are DVD players in houses. |
| 23:29.14 | NeoTron | so icecrown = naxxramas but bigger? :P |
| 23:29.47 | NeoTron | althoigh the environment fits the instance, it doesn't have the same wow factor as Ulduar had |
| 23:30.40 | DWSR | NeoTron: Haven't checked out the PTR. Does it? |
| 23:30.54 | NeoTron | I saw the preview video from mmo champ |
| 23:31.10 | NeoTron | I mean it's clearly different and a grander scale, but the feeling is rather naxx/undercity like... |
| 23:31.27 | DWSR | tbh, I've liked Ulduar the best so far out of all the instances. |
| 23:31.35 | DWSR | this xpac. |
| 23:31.44 | NightHawkTheSane | so far, i agree |
| 23:32.05 | DWSR | I mean, TotC is kinda nice with no trash, but. =\ |
| 23:32.07 | DWSR | Whatever. |
| 23:32.17 | NightHawkTheSane | totc is a nice little filler raid |
| 23:32.18 | NightHawkTheSane | i like it |
| 23:32.20 | DWSR | Since I never saw Naxx40, Naxx60 was cool, for all of about 20 minutes. |
| 23:32.26 | DWSR | err, Naxx* |
| 23:32.30 | NightHawkTheSane | but ulduar was (IS) awesome |
| 23:32.34 | DWSR | IS |
| 23:32.37 | NeoTron | I think toc is fine but it being a whole tier is just a bit weird |
| 23:32.38 | DWSR | It's still got BiS pieces. |
| 23:32.41 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 23:32.41 | NeoTron | not counting onyxia |
| 23:32.46 | DWSR | I agree with NeoTron |
| 23:32.53 | DWSR | It would be good for like..just T9 |
| 23:33.14 | NeoTron | even a 4 boss instance like TK, with trash, would have made the tier more balanced |
| 23:33.28 | NightHawkTheSane | im really kind of surprised they put a whole tier in toc |
| 23:33.42 | NeoTron | no raid tier has been anywhere near that small before |
| 23:33.49 | DWSR | Indeed. |
| 23:33.53 | DWSR | Well....T2? |
| 23:33.59 | DWSR | Wasn't that *just* Ony? |
| 23:34.06 | NightHawkTheSane | er |
| 23:34.07 | NeoTron | T2 was BWL |
| 23:34.10 | NightHawkTheSane | t2 was ony, rag, and bwl |
| 23:34.11 | DWSR | T1* |
| 23:34.16 | NightHawkTheSane | t1 was all of mc |
| 23:34.16 | DWSR | Whatever fucking Tier she dropped. |
| 23:34.19 | DWSR | Not that I remember. |
| 23:34.27 | DWSR | BWL Droppde T3, I thought? |
| 23:34.33 | NightHawkTheSane | no |
| 23:34.35 | NeoTron | no, that was Naxx |
| 23:34.36 | NightHawkTheSane | t3 was naxx60 |
| 23:34.42 | NeoTron | AQ40 was T2.5 |
| 23:34.50 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 23:34.55 | DWSR | Ah, yeah. That's right. |
| 23:34.57 | DWSR | I remember now. |
| 23:35.07 | NeoTron | I guess SWP was small to |
| 23:35.14 | NightHawkTheSane | (aside, this also kind of breaks the psuedo pattern of 3 raid tiers per 'expansion') |
| 23:35.21 | NeoTron | but that was more of a filler raid imho |
| 23:36.01 | DWSR | I don't mind TotC. |
| 23:36.04 | DWSR | It's just it's too compressed. |
| 23:36.07 | DWSR | It really is welfare epix. |
| 23:36.13 | DWSR | But I guess that's the point, isn't it? |
| 23:36.25 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* does it matter? does anyone care? |
| 23:36.39 | DWSR | No one cares about anything. |
| 23:36.42 | DWSR | Might as well have desert. |
| 23:37.05 | NightHawkTheSane | i care about seeing/playing interesting content and having fun in the game |
| 23:37.10 | NightHawkTheSane | so far thats going pretty well |
| 23:37.20 | NightHawkTheSane | whether other people get gear upgrades easily doesn't really show up on my radar :) |
| 23:37.28 | Jerub | DWSR: 5 or 10 man? |
| 23:37.36 | DWSR | Jerub: Both. |
| 23:37.49 | DWSR | A not exceptionally geared/skilled raid can do 10m easily. |
| 23:37.55 | Jerub | HToC is also an epic gear checker. |
| 23:38.04 | DWSR | 5m? |
| 23:38.09 | Jerub | yeah 5. |
| 23:38.12 | DWSR | =\ wtf? |
| 23:38.16 | DWSR | How? |
| 23:38.26 | Jerub | the number of times i've wiped because i was doing it in a pug with people who didn't have epic gears :/ |
| 23:38.29 | DWSR | Healer check, maybe. |
| 23:39.01 | Jerub | it's not always the healer's fault. |
| 23:39.23 | DWSR | Unless you're picking up enough stacks where DPS start getting 2-3 shotted (which shouldn't happen), it's the healer's fault. |
| 23:39.29 | Jerub | without a reasonable dps level the instance is impossible, even with good gear |
| 23:39.37 | DWSR | At like 6 or 7 stacks, it's the DPS fault. |
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| 23:40.07 | DWSR | But, he's only got....200k health in the last phase? |
| 23:40.35 | Jerub | bah, black knight is easy. it's argent freaking confessor bitch palestress that is the gear checker in that instance. |
| 23:40.37 | Legorol | his single-target nuke is pretty hard-hitting, so without adequate gear level (and associated Hp), you can be screwed |
| 23:40.38 | DWSR | 1 geared DPS ought to be able to put him down by themself. |
| 23:40.59 | DWSR | Jerub: Palestress. |
| 23:41.03 | DWSR | I want fucking Eadric. |
| 23:41.05 | DWSR | I only ever get her. |
| 23:41.11 | DWSR | Eadric's the best fight ever, tbh. |
| 23:41.18 | Jerub | i put down the black knight in heroic 5 man with just me and the tank. |
| 23:41.19 | DWSR | RADIANCE, SHIELD YOUR EYES! <- epic lulz. |
| 23:41.41 | DWSR | Dude, first time I walked into that instance, I was like...shield my eyes? |
| 23:41.42 | DWSR | wtf? |
| 23:41.45 | foxlit | Gr, memory management hurts. |
| 23:41.54 | DWSR | foxlit: Computer memory or brain memory? |
| 23:41.56 | DWSR | ;) |
| 23:42.03 | foxlit | Computer memory. |
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| 23:43.01 | Jerub | i hate having to explain eadric every time. |
| 23:43.12 | foxlit | Why bother explaining eadric? |
| 23:43.18 | foxlit | The radiance damage is pathetic. |
| 23:43.20 | Jerub | because i want the damn hammer achievement. |
| 23:43.25 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 23:43.44 | foxlit | is eternally precluded from that achievement. |
| 23:43.47 | Jerub | and i'm a drood healer, so i can't remove the stun, so a dps or tank has to do it. |
| 23:43.51 | foxlit | ^ |
| 23:44.00 | foxlit | PvP trinket, perhaps. |
| 23:44.08 | Jerub | i use the pvp trinket on myself. |
| 23:44.21 | Jerub | but no one else knows what to do with the stun so i have to explain the fight |
| 23:44.43 | foxlit | Shouldn't you be able to catch the hammer and launch it at the right time then? |
| 23:45.07 | foxlit | (Assuming you get targeted, but heck, that's a reasonable assumption to make if you're farming that instance) |
| 23:45.07 | Jerub | foxlit: can't use any other abilities - i'd have to let them die |
| 23:45.10 | Jerub | (tempting how that is) |
| 23:49.49 | WobWork | hates Paletressss preciousss |
| 23:51.30 | foxlit | gr. |
| 23:52.02 | foxlit | My program appears to be segfaulting because of a pointer I'm pretty sure I didn't assign :( |
| 23:52.40 | Legorol | I thought the Eadric achi only involves yourself. |
| 23:52.54 | Legorol | So trinket out of it, throw it back, done. |
| 23:53.11 | foxlit | He has to die from throwing it back. |
| 23:53.24 | Legorol | eeek |
| 23:53.40 | Legorol | but, what is there to explain about "if your whole action bar disappears and you only have one ability left, use it" |
| 23:53.59 | ZorbaTHut | you also have a short period of time in which to throw it back |
| 23:54.03 | foxlit | You have to get pugged people to actually cleanse others within ~3 seconds of the debuff. |
| 23:57.15 | Jerub | yeah, i've given up. |
| 23:57.30 | foxlit | Though http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=3803 |
| 23:57.36 | foxlit | "Regarding catching his hammer, you don't need to be cleansed at all! If he stuns you with his hammer of justice, hover your mouse just in front of your character, and spam right click-When the hammer comes at you, you'll catch it, which is how I believe the fight was meant to be played." |
| 23:57.56 | WobWork | ... really? |
| 23:58.06 | foxlit | Merely a comment. |
| 23:58.09 | Jerub | lolwat. |
| 23:58.12 | Jerub | i've never heard of that |
| 23:58.12 | WobWork | I'll have to try that |
| 23:58.45 | WobWork | Or maybe the OP for that comment had a fast cleanser in the party =P |
| 23:59.25 | WobWork | if one player kills him with the hammer, does everyone in the party get the achievment? |
| 23:59.44 | foxlit | You can't actually kill him. |
| 23:59.48 | foxlit | Or Tirion would have your head. |
