| 00:00.39 | *** join/#wowuidev Repo_ (n=supybot@repos.curseforge.net) |
| 00:00.44 | Cloudwolf | lol by november 12th accounts have to be merged what fun |
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| 00:01.47 | Cloudwolf | did the server explode? |
| 00:02.01 | Lopeppeppy | what server is that? |
| 00:02.05 | Cloudwolf | nvm |
| 00:02.15 | Cloudwolf | i just saw a lot of people get excess flood read errors blah blah blah |
| 00:04.04 | *** join/#wowuidev theorbtwo (n=theorb@91.84.53.6) |
| 00:08.41 | Lunessa | This guys stuff is really good - http://cranius.spaces.live.com/ |
| 00:09.45 | Adys | http://xkcd.com/353/ |
| 00:09.46 | Adys | you know |
| 00:09.48 | Adys | isnt it ironic |
| 00:10.08 | Adys | that import antigraviry only work in a version of python where print "Hello, world!" doesn't? |
| 00:10.23 | Adys | s/antigraviry only work/antigravity only works/ |
| 00:13.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: an option to use the inactive opacity when ooc would be nice in sexycooldowns |
| 00:14.05 | Cloudwolf | >.> to tie my wow account into my battle.net account now.... or last minute... |
| 00:15.43 | A-KO | dude all it does is make you have to type in your e-mail addy, that's it |
| 00:15.55 | A-KO | and word of advice: don't use the same password for your e-mail account and your b.net account |
| 00:15.58 | Cloudwolf | addy? |
| 00:16.04 | A-KO | address... |
| 00:16.14 | Cloudwolf | i thoguth you were talkign to adys for a second |
| 00:16.22 | Cloudwolf | and i was abotu to say im not adys >.> |
| 00:16.41 | Jerub | man, I use crappy passwords in a lot of places ,but my email password is different to all my other passwords. |
| 00:17.07 | Jerub | hack my forum account and i don't care. hack my email account and you've access to my interent banking, paypal, my girlfriend's naked pictures, etc. |
| 00:17.40 | A-KO | I use about 5-6 different rotating passwords |
| 00:17.41 | Cloudwolf | rofl at gf's naked pictures |
| 00:17.45 | A-KO | of varying levels of complexity |
| 00:18.04 | mikma | pssssssst, jerub, cc the nekkidpixx to me, thx! |
| 00:18.12 | Cloudwolf | A-ko do you have them memorized or writtend own somewhere (off computer most likely) |
| 00:18.33 | Antiarc | NightHawkTheSane: hm, okay |
| 00:18.51 | Jerub | mikma: GFL |
| 00:18.56 | Cloudwolf | I bet jerubs email pw is jerub! >.> <.< |
| 00:19.10 | Jerub | hah |
| 00:19.40 | Jerub | it just occurred to me that i tell a lie. |
| 00:19.50 | Cloudwolf | no turning back now lol i has presed da merge button |
| 00:19.58 | Jerub | my gmail and such passwords are good, but the place where the email actually ends up is a pop server with an extraordinarily bad password |
| 00:19.59 | A-KO | Cloudwolf: some are older ones I've used for over a decade, some are variations of the same root word |
| 00:20.05 | mikma | jerub: whats gfl |
| 00:20.13 | Cloudwolf | good fucking luck |
| 00:20.15 | Jerub | mikma: good fucking luck. |
| 00:20.17 | Cloudwolf | i think |
| 00:20.18 | A-KO | different lengths, different characters :P etc. |
| 00:20.19 | Cloudwolf | I WIN! |
| 00:20.44 | mikma | cloudwolf: congratulations you havw won the WINternet! |
| 00:20.45 | Lopeppeppy | Night night, code monkeys, sleep well. |
| 00:21.11 | cog|away | nn |
| 00:21.40 | Jerub | any beartanks here now? |
| 00:21.47 | Lunessa | nn peppy |
| 00:21.53 | mikma | rawr |
| 00:21.57 | cogwheel | coughs |
| 00:21.58 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 00:22.09 | mikma | rawr |
| 00:22.14 | Cloudwolf | rofl change payment meth. i know thats short for method but i can't help but think that was on purpose world of warcrack buy your meth here... |
| 00:22.15 | Gryphen | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 00:22.33 | Jerub | i only ever use bear in heroics and raids, and i've never managed to run out of rage. am i doing something wrong? |
| 00:22.47 | mikma | gryphen |
| 00:22.50 | Gryphen | mikma |
| 00:23.11 | cogwheel | mikma |
| 00:23.21 | mikma | cogwheel |
| 00:23.43 | cogwheel | tarzan |
| 00:23.46 | Cloudwolf | i gota get me a blizzard authenticator now |
| 00:24.31 | mikma | jerub: afaik, if you do not have rage problems you can respect to a less-rage build! |
| 00:24.57 | bleeter | find out what it means to me |
| 00:25.03 | bleeter | yourself |
| 00:25.06 | Kraps | i love this: the most brainless QQ evar http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20433765714&sid=1 |
| 00:25.09 | bleeter | R.E.S.P.E.C.T. |
| 00:25.54 | mikma | hmmmm |
| 00:26.02 | bleeter | Kraps: nah, this is more brainless: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20462447856&sid=1 |
| 00:26.04 | Jerub | mikma: i don't know how to do that ;) |
| 00:26.04 | mikma | wasnt there a generator in purl |
| 00:26.23 | bleeter | Player: Hey I have an issue with my account. |
| 00:26.25 | bleeter | Blizzard: Donât ask me talk to Battle.net. |
| 00:26.29 | bleeter | wtfbbq |
| 00:26.40 | mikma | jerub: you visit the trainer and use "i wish to unlearn my talents" ... roflcopter lollerskates |
| 00:27.48 | Kraps | bleeter: holy crap, this is exactly how conspiracy theories get started |
| 00:28.11 | Jerub | mikma: no, i mean, i don't know a less-rage build... i guess i can look through all the talnets and see if there's any i can remove. |
| 00:28.54 | NeoTron | bleeter: that was amusing, especially "Text massages on my phone" |
| 00:29.03 | Jerub | oooh, free pet |
| 00:29.06 | NeoTron | I want text massages! In fact my back wouldn't mind a massage at all. sign me up! |
| 00:29.53 | mikma | meh |
| 00:29.53 | NeoTron | love that guy "give me a brake" |
| 00:29.59 | mikma | blizzard goes steam |
| 00:30.10 | Jerub | yay steam |
| 00:30.22 | Lunessa | I for one welcome our new Robort Overlords. |
| 00:30.31 | Lunessa | s/ Robot |
| 00:30.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Hm, I wonder just how clogged the streets will be tomorrow at 7:00 AM |
| 00:32.05 | bleeter | only seems like yesterday we were bitching in here about how they didn't have bnet for wow n stuff, and how it was going to be a prick to have a number of different logins for SC2, D3 and WoW and the duplication in account admin that will ahve to go on |
| 00:32.14 | bleeter | must have been what, at least two years ago? |
| 00:32.31 | NeoTron | one thing I wonder, and wish ther was in WoW, is account-wide friends and ignore lists |
| 00:32.43 | Cloudwolf | there will be neotron |
| 00:32.45 | bleeter | NeoTron: I suspect that's coming |
| 00:32.45 | NeoTron | Champions Online has that and it's so much nicer |
| 00:32.46 | Cloudwolf | november 12th |
| 00:33.02 | NeoTron | orly? I don't recall seeing that but if so, that'd be swell |
| 00:33.07 | bleeter | they mentioned account wide friends @ Blizzcon Bnet panel, so I'm guessing ignores too |
| 00:33.20 | mikma | i have always liked bnet, from the days of d1 |
| 00:34.00 | A-KO | I remember beta testing Steam |
| 00:34.04 | A-KO | and eveyrone saying how terrible it was, etc. |
| 00:34.13 | bleeter | hehe |
| 00:34.22 | A-KO | the beta test of Steam came out with CS1.4 |
| 00:34.26 | mikma | thats because they wanted to warezplay hl2 |
| 00:34.32 | A-KO | lol mikma |
| 00:34.44 | A-KO | fucking shit |
| 00:34.47 | bleeter | I was working in the industry then, I remember people moaning about Steam and thinking 'you guys are mad, all publishers will be doing this kinda thing in the future' |
| 00:34.49 | A-KO | there are no good jrpgs on the 360 or the wii |
| 00:35.02 | A-KO | bleeter: they're getting damn close to it |
| 00:35.06 | mikma | ewww, mental image of a-ko fucking shit |
| 00:35.07 | A-KO | the 360 has a similar marketplace :P |
| 00:35.30 | bleeter | I'm amused by the 'I only play wow therefore I don't need to be able to manage other blizz products therefore I don't need bnet' posts. hello, don't these people want to be their SC2 playing buddies to come play wow? |
| 00:35.50 | bleeter | better get on the phone n call them up FAIL |
| 00:36.01 | bleeter | it's not the 1980's anymore.. eedjets |
| 00:36.18 | A-KO | eh, they have no choice in the matter |
| 00:36.19 | A-KO | there is no yes, no, optional :P it's only "You will or you won't play" |
| 00:36.31 | A-KO | is there a 50 page long thread yet of "LET ME KEEP MY REGULAR WOW ACCOUNT OR I /QUIT"? |
| 00:36.32 | bleeter | problem is, it should've been this way from the start |
| 00:36.38 | A-KO | yeah, it should have. |
| 00:36.45 | bleeter | their problem for playing a game with alpha-quality authentication stuff |
| 00:36.46 | Codayus_ | I'm just trying to get my head around people NOT planning on buying D3. |
| 00:36.54 | A-KO | I won't |
| 00:36.58 | A-KO | prob won't get SC2 either |
| 00:37.05 | Codayus_ | ...I don't understand. :( |
| 00:37.15 | Lunessa | Codayus_: I'm planning to get it after I saw it a BlizzCon. |
| 00:37.19 | Jerub | i only play wow because of the people. |
| 00:37.28 | Lunessa | Prior to that, I didn't give a rat's ass. |
| 00:37.30 | bleeter | A-KO: 29 pages so far http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20433765714&sid=1 |
| 00:37.44 | mikma | i play wow to cause i can raid with my wife now |
| 00:37.45 | A-KO | bleeter: I think they probably considered it very early on but realized that they didn't want to retrofit wow into the old battle net system and wanted to take the opportunity to upgrade battle net as well. And then that probably just took forever |
| 00:37.55 | mikma | and, i can raid my wife after wow |
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| 00:38.27 | bleeter | A-KO: yeah, probably had higher priorities, and a desire to discover what other stuff they might need, by examining both steam and co., as well as observing how their users behaved |
| 00:38.44 | Lunessa | mikma: I totally mis read that. |
| 00:39.02 | mikma | clean your glasses |
| 00:39.03 | bleeter | A-KO: as well as, being an annoying kinda task to be put off as much as possible lol |
| 00:39.14 | Lunessa | I can't they're all steamed up |
| 00:39.42 | mikma | want me to link the ultimate hardcore porn for men? |
| 00:40.24 | mikma | lunessa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfDoQwIAaXg |
| 00:40.45 | Lunessa | Must. Not. Click. Link... |
| 00:41.33 | cogwheel | waits for the time limit on his dayquil *cough* |
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| 00:42.02 | mikma | i bet that you will look at for like 1min and go "holy hell, 10 minutes", and continue to watch it to the end |
| 00:42.36 | Lunessa | I'm at work and YouTube Porn is always lame. |
| 00:43.01 | mikma | oh really, click click |
| 00:43.27 | cogwheel | worth it imo |
| 00:43.47 | Lunessa | Holy hell. 10 minutes! |
| 00:44.08 | mikma | see ya in 9mins |
| 00:44.13 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 00:44.18 | Lunessa | That's some hard core, penetrative action. |
| 00:44.53 | cogwheel | it's like they anticipate every "well what if you do it this way...?" |
| 00:45.14 | Lunessa | So many angles. |
| 00:45.19 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: eh you work with alcohol all day long. I somehow doubt the dayquil will give you problems |
| 00:45.44 | cogwheel | lol... s/with/near/ |
| 00:45.49 | ScytheBlade1 | meh |
| 00:45.49 | ScytheBlade1 | details |
| 00:45.58 | cogwheel | half price it's >$35/bottle |
| 00:46.07 | mikma | lunessa: just wait until the hollowpoints start hitting. those are kinky |
| 00:46.12 | Lunessa | Take two eggs, two gnomes. Beat the gnomes... |
| 00:47.20 | Lunessa | Seriously - are those metal? |
| 00:47.45 | bleeter | i want to see Grunty porn |
| 00:47.59 | kd3 | I uh |
| 00:48.20 | cogwheel | <3 physics |
| 00:48.41 | mikma | the ice and hollowpoints = <3 |
| 00:48.47 | mikma | beauuuuuutiful |
| 00:48.58 | Lunessa | Major tumbling action. |
| 00:51.30 | Lunessa | is mesmerized. |
| 00:52.26 | cogwheel | are those little steel farm animals? |
| 00:52.33 | Lunessa | Yeah |
| 00:53.37 | Lunessa | Holy hell... I watched the whole thing |
| 00:53.59 | cogwheel | shotgun pellets hitting a bullet in-flight... |
| 00:55.45 | Lunessa | It's like particle physics writ large! |
| 00:56.16 | mikma | hehehe |
| 00:56.36 | mikma | <0342> <mikma> i bet that you will look at for like 1min and go "holy hell, 10 minutes", and continue to watch it to the end |
| 00:57.13 | NeoTron | and yes I did |
| 00:57.19 | Arrowmaster | me too |
| 00:57.20 | NeoTron | got a bit repetetiv |
| 00:57.28 | NeoTron | but dang, some cool shots |
| 00:57.30 | mikma | like i said, hardcore porn for men |
| 00:57.32 | Adys | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14774-FindIt.html#comments |
| 00:57.35 | Adys | What does he mean? |
| 00:58.52 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.52 | NeoTron | the path is a relative path with quite a few ../'s |
| 00:58.55 | NeoTron | rather than just FindIt |
| 00:58.58 | Adys | Oo |
| 00:59.03 | Adys | weird |
| 00:59.20 | Adys | oh |
| 00:59.22 | Adys | i see why |
| 01:00.46 | Adys | !api title |
| 01:00.47 | lua_bot | Found 20 possible matches for 'title'. Please be more specific |
| 01:00.51 | Adys | !api gettitle |
| 01:00.51 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'gettitle': Frame:GetTitleRegion, GetTitleName, GetTitleText |
| 01:01.05 | Adys | !api gettitletext |
| 01:01.06 | lua_bot | GetTitleText: Returns the title text for the quest presented by a questgiver (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetTitleText) |
| 01:01.50 | Lunessa | Cog- Hahaha |
| 01:01.55 | cogwheel | :) |
| 01:07.07 | cogwheel | halfway through 3rd time watching... <.< |
| 01:07.44 | Adys | is there a str.startswith in lua? |
| 01:07.53 | Adys | equivalent i mean |
| 01:08.24 | cogwheel | for k, v in pairs(string) do print(k) end |
| 01:08.27 | cogwheel | lua> for k, v in pairs(string) do print(k) end |
| 01:08.28 | lua_bot | cogwheel: split, match, gmatch, upper, gsub, format, lower, sub, gfind, rep, trim, char, dump, concat, reverse, len, join, byte, find |
| 01:09.15 | Adys | lua> (" foo"):match("$ ") |
| 01:09.16 | lua_bot | Adys: nil |
| 01:09.29 | Adys | lua> (" foo"):match("^ ") |
| 01:09.30 | lua_bot | Adys: No output |
| 01:10.08 | Adys | lua> (" foo"):gsub("^ ", "bar") |
| 01:10.08 | lua_bot | Adys: barfoo, 1 |
| 01:10.23 | Adys | that will do |
| 01:11.04 | alestane | Adys: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 01:13.19 | Adys | local name = GetTitleName(id) |
| 01:13.21 | Adys | local fullname, match = name:gsub("^ ", GetUnitName("player").." ") |
| 01:13.21 | Adys | if not match then fullname = name .. " " .. GetUnitName("player") end |
| 01:13.23 | Adys | something like this |
| 01:14.37 | alestane | So you want to see if the title starts with a space? |
| 01:14.55 | Adys | yeah i got it |
| 01:15.01 | A-KO | hmm, anyone here good with TV equipment and whatnot? |
| 01:15.08 | alestane | Or build the title with the name appropriately, rather? |
| 01:15.20 | Adys | ya |
| 01:15.21 | cogwheel | ~asktoask |
| 01:15.22 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 01:15.28 | A-KO | lol |
| 01:16.56 | A-KO | Trying to figure out the best way to hook all these damn devices up. Our TV has shared inputs, for example, INPUT 5 is *EITHER* Component + RCA Audio or *EITHER* Composite + RCA Audio. We have too many devices, not enough inputs. So it seems like I could simply use a splitter on the audio, and the TV will auto detect which device is giving the video signal. I'm wondering what kind of feedback, if any, it would get from the audio simply being split...Or if th |
| 01:17.02 | cogwheel | "help", of course, includes linking to letmegooglethatforyou.com, pointing you to other channels, etc ;) |
| 01:17.05 | A-KO | that just has everything go into it, and HDMI out to the tv |
| 01:17.34 | Adys | A-KO: I predict a lack of answers |
| 01:17.46 | A-KO | obviously Analog to Digital isn't going to make for a better TV signal, but it would simplify cable management and cable running :P |
| 01:19.21 | cogwheel | endid at split...or if th |
| 01:19.24 | cogwheel | ended* |
| 01:20.21 | Adys | lua> ("foo"):gsub("^ ", "bar") |
| 01:20.22 | lua_bot | Adys: foo, 0 |
| 01:20.36 | Adys | lua > (not 0) |
| 01:20.41 | Adys | lua> (not 0) |
| 01:20.41 | lua_bot | Adys: false |
| 01:20.51 | Adys | :\ |
| 01:21.38 | Arrowmaster | A-KO: using a splitter to make two outputs go into one input is probably a bad idea |
| 01:22.32 | Tepel | I'd say, get a new TV |
| 01:22.48 | Tepel | current ones have about 5 HDMI inputs |
| 01:22.56 | Tepel | + scart |
| 01:23.33 | Codayus_ | I just played a game of HoN with someone who couldn't real a scoreboard, and argued - in all seriousness - that his kill:death ratio of 0 kills, 5 deaths meant he was "five times better" than someone with a ratio of 1 kill, 4 deaths. |
| 01:23.38 | Codayus_ | Math is hard. |
| 01:25.57 | WobWork | Antiarc: You only use one chat window? |
| 01:26.53 | Adys | Are addons on wowinterface always showing up as automatically approved for authors, or was that a VERY fast approval? |
| 01:28.10 | Arrowmaster | Adys: Cairenn and the others have this almost rss feed like thing for their approval queue |
| 01:28.55 | Shadowed | more like |
| 01:29.07 | Adys | Yeah but that was kind of .. approved before the page finished loading |
| 01:29.09 | Shadowed | They read the mind of people submitting mods and are already looking at it as it's being uploaded |
| 01:29.18 | ScytheBlade1 | It is a little page that refreshes every X seconds |
| 01:29.30 | Shadowed | I think she said it was a little app |
| 01:29.46 | ScytheBlade1 | It may look and function that way sure |
| 01:30.04 | ScytheBlade1 | But it isn't hard to drop a web page on your desktop anymore ;) |
| 01:30.33 | cogwheel | so ... i got back to civilization (read: the interwebs) and found out that i could've run into Duman at disneyland ... stupid broken laptop |
| 01:30.52 | Adys | Arrowmaster: so basically |
| 01:30.58 | Antiarc | WobWork: Yeah, with a bunch of tabs |
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| 01:31.07 | Adys | if I were to put a big phat keylogger in it you wouldnt notice? =P |
| 01:31.56 | Arrowmaster | no i wouldnt since i dont work for wowi |
| 01:32.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I think they can look at the author and if they know them well, skip a few checks ;) |
| 01:32.10 | Adys | :p |
| 01:32.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm also pretty sure that if you ever did that you'd meet the swift end of the banhammer ;) |
| 01:32.24 | Adys | you think? |
| 01:32.40 | Corrodias | i may have run into a keylogger, but i'm having a hell of a time figuring out whether it's true, because most A/V products arbitrarily refuse to run on a "server" OS like this |
| 01:32.45 | Arrowmaster | i think i banned somebody from curse just for what they did on wowi |
| 01:32.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: wat |
| 01:32.58 | Adys | though for example last time I had a broken zip, which was actually a tgz some misclick |
| 01:33.09 | Adys | if cair/iriel/whoeveritwas didnt check i wouldnt have known |
| 01:33.49 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: that douchebag that replaced his addons on wowi with crap that spammed they were available for update on wowmatrix |
| 01:34.02 | Adys | i remember that Arrowmaster |
| 01:34.04 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 01:34.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't |
| 01:34.05 | Corrodias | is there some way to tell for sure, i wonder? hmm. |
| 01:34.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Well done good sir |
| 01:34.13 | Arrowmaster | perty sure i banned him from curse |
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| 01:50.20 | cogwheel | scratches his head |
| 01:54.14 | cogwheel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCzbw4or19g |
| 01:54.32 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtaOyo3YaqI |
| 01:58.22 | bleeter | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lXh2n0aPyw |
| 01:59.01 | WobWork | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 |
| 01:59.28 | WobWork | c-c-c-c-combo breaker! |
| 02:01.20 | Lunessa | WobWork: You're not stranger to loooooove. |
| 02:01.24 | cogwheel | isn't that one too many cs? |
| 02:02.02 | cogwheel | oh and fu Lunessa |
| 02:02.10 | cogwheel | :P |
| 02:02.25 | Lunessa | Cog. :P |
| 02:03.23 | bleeter | WobWork: did I show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNEeq5qGh8I earlier? |
| 02:03.54 | bleeter | or this # for that matter... /shrug |
| 02:04.27 | bleeter | holy crap piano stairs are beeding!!! |
| 02:04.38 | bleeter | er breeding |
| 02:04.45 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.02 | Kraps | WobWork: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biwc6GVopqQ |
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| 02:07.45 | bleeter | accidentally kills cogwheel |
| 02:08.31 | psino | I think I'm going insane |
| 02:08.40 | psino | I'm trying to hide some arrows from the minimap |
| 02:08.50 | psino | more specifically, the group arrows etc |
| 02:09.16 | psino | the closest I think I've come has been finding that the texture they use is "Interface\Minimap\Rotating-MinimapGroupArrow.blp" |
| 02:09.32 | Arrowmaster | i dont think its possible |
| 02:10.32 | psino | only thing I can think of now is actually replacing the .blp file in the mpqs -- but that might be violating some kind of TOS |
| 02:10.34 | bleeter | goes back to spiking cogwheel with the poison thing that lives in the shell |
| 02:10.41 | Lunessa | I believe you're venturing into "stuff handled by the client in C code, and not available to the lua engine" |
| 02:11.43 | psino | I've tried looking through the output from "/script for key,value in pairs(t) do if key:sub(0,4) == 'Mini' then print(key) end end" in order to spot the frame that is responsible, but no dice yet at least |
| 02:11.51 | psino | so you might veryw ell be right, Lunessa |
| 02:12.46 | Lunessa | There's a lot about the minimap we can't touch. Just because there's no API and not access. |
| 02:12.51 | Lunessa | no/not |
| 02:13.00 | cogwheel | maybe put it on the suggestions thread? |
| 02:14.54 | psino | I found that if I put SexyMap (the minimap-addon) in its HudMap-mode, I can track humanoids (on my druid) from pretty far apart (as in, I can track whats going on up on LM when I'm sitting at BS) |
| 02:15.40 | psino | but the group arrows and stuff makes it hard to see things that are about 30-ish yards away |
| 02:20.08 | Lunessa | Sounds to me like you're playing in "unintended consequences" territory. |
| 02:20.15 | amro | quick question for those who know their way around the C API: is there an easy way to register a class hierarchy as userdata? ie reuse parent metatables and wrappers |
| 02:20.21 | Taroven1 | Blah, I need to remove a couple addons from WoWI. |
| 02:20.51 | Taroven1 | And I forget who to talk to about doing that >.>;; |
| 02:21.22 | Taroven | Blah, I need to remove a couple addons from WoWI... and I forget who to talk to about doing that >.> |
| 02:22.06 | amro | Lunessa: I could do a load of copy pasting but that ain't pretty and won't help memory usage |
| 02:22.08 | psino | Lunessa: the druid in me says no, but the programmer in me says it most certainly is |
| 02:25.48 | psino | but still, even if I only could track stuff like 30 yards away, it would be great to have it in the middle of the screen as an HUD, instead of in a corner/to the side as the normal minimaps |
| 02:26.33 | Arrowmaster | psino: sexymap has a hud display of the minimap |
| 02:27.05 | psino | Arrowmaster: thats what I'm using atm, but the group arrows are messing up what I can see |
| 02:27.32 | tem | Taroven, talk to people with ops in this channel |
| 02:27.42 | psino | since they get painted on top of the tracking dots, I cant reliably track 30 yards with it |
| 02:28.09 | Adys | [05:12:37] <cogwheel> maybe put it on the suggestions thread? |
| 02:28.30 | Adys | Hey can you put some other stuff on the suggestions thread? I dont have access to US, they banned every EU credit card on US |
| 02:29.43 | Adys | LOOT_OPENED passing as an arg the GUID of the loot source (item/object/npc) |
| 02:29.52 | Adys | fixing GetSpellLink so it works with every spell |
| 02:30.02 | Antiarc | hudmap doesn't do anything fancy to tracking, it just gives you a bigass minimap object |
| 02:30.29 | Arrowmaster | psino: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Minimap/SetPOIArrowTexture doesnt work? |
| 02:30.45 | cogwheel | me? no... i just hang out here 'cause of mah peeps |
| 02:30.48 | Lunessa | Like I said, unintended consequences. |
| 02:30.52 | cogwheel | (@ Adys ) |
| 02:30.53 | Adys | yeah well you = someone |
| 02:31.00 | Arrowmaster | oh wait i guess that one is for something different |
| 02:34.59 | psino | Arrowmaster: ye, thats for the guard directions etc |
| 02:36.02 | psino | hmm |
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| 02:43.29 | Antiarc | Welp. This is going to be an interesting raid. http://i38.tinypic.com/t6v41j.jpg |
| 02:44.58 | ScytheBlade1 | ........................................ |
| 02:46.09 | ScytheBlade1 | That is somewhat |
| 02:46.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Well impressive for starters |
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| 02:48.03 | Adys | oh wow |
| 02:48.11 | Adys | arcane powder finally stacks to 100 |
| 02:48.24 | ScytheBlade1 | It has for... since at least january |
| 02:48.40 | Adys | yeah well w/e |
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| 02:57.03 | psino | argh, I've moved my interface options frame too far up somehow, and cant move it down again :S |
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| 03:02.49 | ScytheBlade1 | pats Warcraft3 |
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| 03:42.54 | NightHawkTheSane | is finaly doing totc |
| 03:44.02 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: what fight are you on? |
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| 03:49.25 | Kraps | shooting nazi zombies is way to scary |
| 03:49.58 | Kraps | too |
| 03:56.19 | Thunder_Child | nevah Kraps! |
| 04:00.07 | Kraps | i died twice on round 3 |
| 04:01.02 | Thunder_Child | Kraps, our best as a group is 13, singley mine is 8 i think |
| 04:01.12 | Thunder_Child | though it depends on the map |
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| 04:04.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: anub atm |
| 04:05.03 | Jerub | oh, right. |
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| 04:14.09 | Antiarc | hoorjay, heroic twins down. |
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| 04:14.23 | NightHawkTheSane | grats :) |
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| 04:25.26 | Thunder_Child | ~cackle |
| 04:25.28 | purl | ACTION cackles |
| 04:29.35 | Jerub | sigh. |
| 04:29.45 | Thunder_Child | damn, i forgot ATF and DEA |
| 04:29.51 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 04:29.52 | purl | Thunder_Child: FAIL! |
| 04:30.05 | Jerub | after reading about feral tanking faction champions, i want to give it a go, but every TotC pug i've done has failed on the NR beasts or Jax |
| 04:32.35 | Thunder_Child | isnt druid supposed to be one of the better soloing classes? |
| 04:32.57 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: sure. I'll just go solo TotC10. |
| 04:33.10 | Jerub | Should I flick it to heroic? to give me a challenge? |
| 04:35.25 | Thunder_Child | Jerub, that wasnt in reference to your comment, just some trouble i am having with my druid |
| 04:35.58 | tem | Jerub, being a tank on faction champions is easily the most frustrating thing I've ever done |
| 04:36.04 | tem | I __hate__ that fight |
| 04:36.18 | tem | it's not so bad on easy mode, I guess, since you can still taunt them |
| 04:36.34 | tem | but hard mode is just an exercise is frustration |
| 04:37.30 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: oh, right, ask me anything, I leveled my druid to 80 post 3.2 |
| 04:38.01 | Thunder_Child | Jerub, should a 22 dru be able to handle a 22 a 20 and 18 all at once? |
| 04:38.14 | Thunder_Child | i thought the answer was yes... |
| 04:38.22 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: maybe.. got bear form and feral talents? |
| 04:38.27 | Thunder_Child | Jerub, yep |
| 04:38.43 | Thunder_Child | i guess it's just me then |
| 04:38.54 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: do you pop to caster to drop a hot or two? |
| 04:39.06 | Thunder_Child | Jerub, i do before i start |
| 04:39.16 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: do it again when you get to 40%. |
| 04:39.34 | Jerub | drop a regrowth and a rejuv and if you can manage it a healing touch, then go back to bear. |
| 04:39.53 | Thunder_Child | thats a lot of downtime then since i have limited mana |
| 04:40.06 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: you should have enough for 3 healing spells, hopefully. |
| 04:40.28 | Jerub | regardless, the strat i always used when fighitng bad odds was to pop to caster to heal then continue fighting |
| 04:41.22 | Thunder_Child | bah, this time i got an add of a 21 |
| 04:41.42 | Jerub | depending on how fast I'm losing health I'll do HT + RJ, and that takes me nearly to full. |
| 04:53.09 | Adys | Someone the other day was asking me |
| 04:53.16 | Adys | "What's the definition of a hack?" |
| 04:53.39 | Adys | I think its safe to say that this defines a hack very well: http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/836/logineffect/ |
| 04:53.56 | Adys | its the graphic effect for players logging in |
| 04:54.01 | Adys | players cast it automatically on login |
| 04:55.25 | Bibi- | oh, interesting. |
| 04:55.50 | Adys | fuck off Bibi- you shouldnt be in this channel |
| 04:55.52 | Adys | also wow |
| 04:55.53 | Adys | http://es.wowhead.com/?spell=836 |
| 04:57.14 | Thunder_Child | ~comfort Bibi- |
| 04:57.15 | purl | There, there, Bibi-. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 05:00.00 | Thunder_Child | i wonder how easy it would be to fuck with ECHELON |
| 05:03.28 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:04.35 | Thunder_Child | slaps Fisker around a bit with a small Imperial-Class Stardestroyer |
| 05:05.29 | Fisker | takes the small Imperial-Class Stardestroyer and throws it on the ground |
| 05:05.50 | Fisker | you know what Thunder_Child ? |
| 05:05.55 | tem | Adys, I disagree that that's a hack |
| 05:06.00 | Thunder_Child | Fisker, possibly |
| 05:06.07 | tem | nearly everything in wow is a spell |
| 05:06.12 | Fisker | i'm not gonna be part of your system Thunder_Child |
| 05:06.24 | Thunder_Child | to late Fisker. |
| 05:09.16 | amro | tem: nearly everything in wow is a hack |
| 05:10.20 | Fisker | loves amro irl |
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| 05:12.09 | psino | Shadowed: you happen to be around? |
| 05:13.36 | Adys | ~amro++ |
| 05:15.01 | Adys | tem: just because its a spell doesnt mean its not a hack |
| 05:17.12 | Adys | so I just understood two things |
| 05:17.29 | Adys | 1- The pun in the "Tanks for Everything" shop in dalaran |
| 05:17.41 | Adys | 2- There is actually a staircase in that shop |
| 05:17.47 | Adys | s/understood/noticed/ |
| 05:18.23 | psino | the staircase makes it so much better |
| 05:19.45 | Jerub | I only found the heroism trinket vendor because there's a cooking quest that takes me there |
| 05:19.57 | Adys | See |
| 05:20.00 | Adys | smart quest designers |
| 05:21.16 | Jerub | what about, stupid small impossibly populated laggy dalaran? |
| 05:21.30 | Fisker | slaps Jerub around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:24.52 | WobWork | Adys: staircase? |
| 05:29.08 | Adys | ya |
| 05:44.01 | Adys | !api GetTrainerServiceLevelReq |
| 05:44.01 | lua_bot | GetTrainerServiceLevelReq: Returns the character level required to purchase a trainer service (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetTrainerServiceLevelReq) |
| 05:45.41 | bleeter | slaps libsdl.org some |
| 05:46.33 | amro | bleeter: nothing useful there anyway, just grab it from repos |
| 05:47.19 | bleeter | amro: bugzilla's not useful? :P |
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| 05:47.52 | bleeter | pretty hard to work a bug report if one can't even read the report :P |
| 05:48.18 | amro | it's hard but you must concentrate |
| 05:48.40 | bleeter | that's a rather personal statement |
| 05:48.58 | amro | I use all of 4 functions in SDL so it never occured to me it might be bugged |
| 05:49.18 | amro | indeed, it starts with "I" |
| 05:49.34 | amro | I only use it for input and to setup a window |
| 05:49.38 | amro | never touched the rendering stuff |
| 05:50.10 | bleeter | slouken's made some comment about some alsa bug and some other guy's blaming pulse, thought I'd take a look |
| 05:55.06 | Adys | if everyone who ever blamed pulse contributed one bugfix on pulse |
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| 05:55.20 | Adys | Linux sound problems would all be long gone |
| 05:55.22 | Jerub | light hail here, heavier elsewhere apparently. |
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| 05:56.34 | bleeter | Adys: amen to that |
| 05:56.53 | bleeter | with associated alsa fixes, too, mind you ;) |
| 05:57.34 | Adys | yeha |
| 05:57.46 | Adys | bleeter: feeling helpful while libsdl.org is down? |
| 05:58.46 | bleeter | help myself to another coffee? sure! |
| 05:58.57 | Adys | ~emulate bleeter |
| 05:58.58 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
| 05:59.24 | Jerub | you fool! |
| 05:59.31 | Jerub | <blink> is an inline element and <h1> is block level! |
| 05:59.48 | Jerub | that should be <h1><blink>terribad idea</blink></h1> |
| 06:00.05 | Adys | bleeter: more of a "how about you help me post some stuff on the suggestions thread" |
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| 06:01.03 | bleeter | Adys: sure, drop me an email of reasonable stuff |
| 06:01.03 | bleeter | Jerub: precisely! |
| 06:01.16 | Adys | pm |
| 06:05.26 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, i'm going to send you an email of resonable stuff as well |
| 06:06.01 | Jerub | I'm going to say unreasonable things in a wave |
| 06:06.08 | bleeter | folks I'm happy to do Suggestions for non US account holders |
| 06:06.44 | bleeter | but please, do it in a format such as "Request, Rationale". Not just the request. Put some reasoning in :) |
| 06:06.46 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, i mean the email was going to be nothing but reasonable stuff reasonable stuff reasonable stuff etc. |
| 06:07.05 | bleeter | otherwise I doubt it's worth my effort. seems they largely like folks giving reasons so they don't have to think for themselves ;) |
| 06:07.21 | Thunder_Child | though i do have your fail email, so i will pass |
| 06:07.38 | bleeter | fuck waves |
| 06:08.03 | Thunder_Child | ya baby, sex that wave |
| 06:08.54 | bleeter | you should see what I did to the pigeons in ##australia ;) |
| 06:09.29 | Thunder_Child | now i am curious |
| 06:09.52 | Thunder_Child | thats odd....is the auth server down? |
| 06:10.01 | Jerub | wait, you're australian? |
| 06:10.14 | Thunder_Child | the name should give that away |
| 06:10.29 | Jerub | heh |
| 06:10.36 | Jerub | bleeter: whereabouts are you? I'm in brisbane. |
| 06:11.02 | Thunder_Child | WobWork is also an aussie iirc. |
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| 06:17.07 | Fisker- | YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAH |
| 06:17.22 | Jerub | smashes Fisker-'s sunglasses. |
| 06:17.27 | Thunder_Child | i feel ya Fisker |
| 06:17.32 | Thunder_Child | Fisker-* |
| 06:17.42 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: that he is, indeed |
| 06:17.54 | Fisker- | wtf Jerub |
| 06:17.55 | Fisker- | not cool |
| 06:18.25 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/40725/steam-powered-auctioneer/ |
| 06:18.31 | Adys | I just noticed |
| 06:18.33 | Adys | This device creates intense heat and can only be used in the cold climate of Northrend. |
| 06:19.04 | Fisker- | I just noticed it was a nod to Valve's Steam" |
| 06:19.06 | Fisker- | !1 |
| 06:20.27 | Jerub | that's awesome. |
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| 06:20.45 | Jerub | you know, it's tempting to drop LW in favour of engineering, because of all the cool shit they get |
| 06:21.24 | Adys | yeha except thats not ingame |
| 06:24.04 | amro | they still get more cool shit than all other profs combined |
| 06:24.26 | Adys | "cool" stuff gets old quikc |
| 06:24.28 | Adys | quick |
| 06:25.09 | Adys | note, I wouldnt drop engi for anything |
| 06:25.17 | Adys | auctioneer in dal, rocket boots |
| 06:25.28 | Jerub | well, that auctioneer thing is a gimmick that just won me over - it's the only auction house in northrend.... |
| 06:25.30 | psino | engineering + lw here, why not take both? |
| 06:25.33 | Adys | all the teleporters |
| 06:25.42 | Jerub | uh, i meant skinning |
| 06:25.50 | Jerub | drop skinning in favour of engineering. |
| 06:25.58 | Jerub | i'll have to get a gathering toon or something probably. |
| 06:25.59 | Thunder_Child | drop sknning if you have enough money |
| 06:26.23 | Jerub | I don't relaly make money from skinning |
| 06:27.06 | Jerub | I guess I could, but i do dailies when i want cash |
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| 06:27.16 | Thunder_Child | but you dont lose it, and you will with 2 crafting professions |
| 06:27.36 | Adys | agreed |
| 06:27.41 | Adys | gathering profs are for alts |
| 06:27.43 | Jerub | hm, ueah |
| 06:28.43 | Fisker- | alts are for chumps |
| 06:28.54 | Thunder_Child | which is a silly statment, because at some point your gathering alt will want to become somthing more, than you will drop one or two of the gathering for something else |
| 06:29.02 | Thunder_Child | then* |
| 06:29.28 | Adys | its been how many years of wow? |
| 06:29.33 | Adys | 5 |
| 06:29.40 | Adys | in.. 5 years, i still dont have an alt |
| 06:30.43 | Jerub | Adys: huh |
| 06:30.49 | Jerub | Adys: you only have 1 toon? |
| 06:31.16 | Adys | yep |
| 06:31.28 | Adys | Im levelling another one though (rogue) because of IitM |
| 06:31.54 | Thunder_Child | then you do have ab alt |
| 06:31.56 | Thunder_Child | LIAR! |
| 06:31.58 | Jerub | Adys: well, that's an alt. |
| 06:32.00 | Thunder_Child | an* |
| 06:32.07 | Adys | s/levelling/going to level/ |
| 06:32.20 | Thunder_Child | -_- |
| 06:32.55 | Jerub | what's IitM |
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| 06:33.01 | Adys | insane in the membrane |
| 06:33.09 | Adys | Total time played: 418 days, 4 hours, 12 minutes, 41 seconds |
| 06:33.12 | Fisker- | I got 2 alts :o |
| 06:33.20 | Adys | thats with over 18 months break |
| 06:33.32 | Fisker- | Had a rogue in classic, leveled a hunter, changed main to Paladin, recently leveled my alt rogue to 80 |
| 06:33.37 | Jerub | anyone here gotten the 'The Insane' title? |
| 06:33.49 | Adys | me, if i had a rogue |
| 06:34.00 | Jerub | hehehehe |
| 06:34.01 | Fisker- | Xinhuan from #wowace has it |
| 06:34.08 | Fisker- | i don't know if he normally visits here |
| 06:34.09 | Adys | bunch of people have it |
| 06:34.11 | Adys | its been ages |
| 06:34.17 | Arrowmaster | hes at over 700 days played |
| 06:34.28 | Fisker- | achievement whoring sucks though |
| 06:34.38 | Jerub | I was killing things in goldshire, and saw that one of the alliance responders was 'Mistress, the Insane'. I waited out my pvp timer, bowed to her, and left. |
| 06:34.41 | Adys | Insane isnt achievement whoring |
| 06:34.59 | Jerub | (funny 'e' in Mistress, can't type it) |
| 06:35.07 | Adys | ê |
| 06:35.11 | Adys | ë |
| 06:35.16 | Jerub | one of those |
| 06:35.24 | Adys | ⬠|
| 06:35.26 | Fisker- | you forgot about é and è |
| 06:35.34 | Jerub | not the euro |
| 06:35.46 | Adys | Å |
| 06:35.56 | Adys | Ã! |
| 06:36.09 | Jerub | yeah, someone on my server has their name as Ãtherbunny |
| 06:36.21 | Jerub | and it's like, dude, no one can type that, no one can tab complete that, you fail. |
| 06:36.48 | _rane | names with non-alphanumeric characters fail anyway |
| 06:36.50 | Arrowmaster | Ã |
| 06:36.55 | Arrowmaster | altgr-shift-z |
| 06:37.11 | Adys | altgr-shift-a here |
| 06:37.15 | Gnarfoz | maybe on your weird keyboard layout |
| 06:37.26 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/devrix |
| 06:37.35 | Arrowmaster | us-intl is not weird |
| 06:37.43 | Fisker- | à is à on my keyboard |
| 06:37.55 | Gnarfoz | us-intl is weird |
| 06:38.37 | Arrowmaster | i use the altgr deadkeys version so its not weird |
| 06:39.19 | Arrowmaster | XKBMODEL="pc104" |
| 06:39.19 | Arrowmaster | XKBLAYOUT="us" |
| 06:39.19 | Arrowmaster | XKBVARIANT="altgr-intl" |
| 06:39.52 | Gnarfoz | yeah, not very windowsy |
| 06:40.11 | Arrowmaster | theres a windows version, i used it in XP |
| 06:40.24 | Arrowmaster | but its nolonger on the site i downloaded it from |
| 06:42.11 | Fisker- | kisses Gnarfoz |
| 06:42.12 | Fisker- | sup |
| 06:42.14 | Fisker- | ? |
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| 06:45.42 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: http://keyboards.jargon-file.org/ ? |
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| 06:47.02 | Arrowmaster | us intl alt is probably it |
| 06:47.44 | Fisker- | Gnarfoz: |
| 06:47.49 | Fisker- | you're gonna be part of my system |
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| 06:53.53 | psino | Antiarc: awake? |
| 06:54.04 | Fisker- | i knocked him out for good psino |
| 06:54.40 | psino | hehe, I wonder if he accepts patches for SexyCooldowns :) |
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| 08:02.58 | Lothaer | sup guys |
| 08:03.40 | Fisker- | soup |
| 08:04.10 | Lothaer | lol |
| 08:04.14 | Lothaer | whats new mate? |
| 08:04.41 | Corrodias | weeell, tomorrow, i should probably find out the results of some medical tests. |
| 08:06.05 | Cairenn | Corrodias: hope it's something minor they're checking for .... |
| 08:06.22 | Cairenn | hi Lothaer |
| 08:06.41 | Corrodias | probably will end up being. if i'm lucky, it's an intestinal parasite! |
| 08:07.10 | Fisker- | one that feeds off your butt? :o |
| 08:07.15 | Lothaer | hey Cairenn :D |
| 08:07.21 | Lothaer | did you get hold of that user yet? |
| 08:07.30 | Cairenn | Lothaer: mrr? |
| 08:07.42 | Cairenn | wonders what she's forgotten |
| 08:07.46 | Lothaer | Irayna or something like that |
| 08:08.15 | Cairenn | seriously, I'm not remembering at all - details? |
| 08:08.44 | Cairenn | PM me |
| 08:08.46 | Lothaer | you told someone to check their PMs in a thead and they were ignoring you or something like that |
| 08:08.50 | Cairenn | ooooh |
| 08:08.52 | Cairenn | that |
| 08:08.55 | Lothaer | lol |
| 08:09.00 | Cairenn | no, they aren't ignoring me, per se |
| 08:09.06 | Lothaer | kk :D |
| 08:09.17 | Cairenn | just they aren't realizing that they've got PMs, so hoping by posting a thread they'll see it |
| 08:09.35 | Lothaer | ahh kk lol |
| 08:10.42 | Lothaer | i wonder what Cladhaire will say to my suggestion :D |
| 08:11.16 | Antiarc | psino: Yeah, I'm here. What's up? |
| 08:11.29 | Lothaer | hey Antiarc |
| 08:11.49 | Antiarc | howdy |
| 08:11.58 | psino | you're the author of SexyCooldown, right? |
| 08:12.03 | Antiarc | ayup |
| 08:12.52 | psino | I found I wanted to be able to show any and all buffs on a target and show that on a bar |
| 08:12.52 | Fisker- | aye, yup? |
| 08:12.53 | psino | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/126438 |
| 08:13.22 | psino | would you consider taking that patch upstream? :) |
| 08:14.13 | Lothaer | ~seen Aezay |
| 08:14.15 | purl | aezay <n=spam@0x503e2455.vgnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 128d 2h 3m 21s ago, saying: 'orionshock, surely it would be faster to add some filters than deleting a ton of posts and users each day?'. |
| 08:14.15 | Antiarc | Yeah, I will. I need to adjust some core stuff to cut down on aura scanning spam, but I'll integrate it after I get that done. |
| 08:14.37 | psino | sweet :) excellent addon btw :) |
| 08:14.47 | Antiarc | glad you like it! |
| 08:16.00 | Fisker- | also Antiarc |
| 08:16.07 | Fisker- | i didn't cut you up and feed you to the fishes |
| 08:16.14 | Fisker- | i'm such a nice person aren't i? |
| 08:24.28 | Wobin | ... |
| 08:24.29 | Wobin | http://epicadvice.com/ |
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| 08:26.33 | Fisker- | hej robotusch |
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| 08:30.49 | Adys_ | Wobin: that is a horrible website and a horrible colorscheme |
| 08:32.16 | Fisker- | http://www.neowin.net/news/software/09/10/13/firefox-36-to-feature-computer-orientation-detection <-oh nice Mozilla forfeits from the browserwars |
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| 08:39.43 | Arrowmaster | askslashdot article about if working in the gambling industry is a blackmark when applying for future jobs, heres one of the best comments |
| 08:39.45 | Arrowmaster | "Personally, if a right wing, dogmatic, Bible-thumping company owner didn't want to hire me I'd consider that a badge of honor." |
| 08:41.31 | Corrodias | nice |
| 08:49.00 | Fisker- | likes Arrowmaster |
| 08:51.38 | Fisker- | LOL Internet media! |
| 08:52.44 | Fisker- | Phishing is a relatively new phenomenon (2005) |
| 08:52.46 | Fisker- | lolololol |
| 08:53.14 | Fisker- | That about coincides with the release of WoW |
| 08:53.20 | Fisker- | Coincidence? |
| 08:53.22 | Fisker- | I think not! |
| 08:53.40 | Kalroth | Fisker talking about Phishing. |
| 08:53.53 | Fisker- | oh snaps Kalroth |
| 08:54.06 | Kalroth | hi5 |
| 08:55.17 | Fisker- | kisses Kalroth |
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| 09:01.50 | Fisker- | pwmed |
| 09:01.52 | Fisker- | pwned |
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| 09:12.42 | Adys | uint32(primary_prof_first_rank ? 1 : 0); |
| 09:12.53 | Adys | uint8(tSpell->reqLevel); |
| 09:13.02 | Adys | I love that |
| 09:13.12 | Adys | I totally love that |
| 09:13.25 | Adys | on the first line, an amazing 32-bit boolean |
| 09:13.44 | Adys | on the second line, an 8bit level field |
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| 09:21.55 | mitch0 | ...? |
| 09:27.41 | Fisker- | Adys it's for extremely large values of true |
| 09:28.12 | Fisker- | Is this awesome? 11111111111111111111111111111111 / 00000000000000000000000000000000 |
| 09:29.28 | Corrodias | lol |
| 09:29.46 | Adys | its weird |
| 09:30.01 | Adys | they use a 4-bit boolean earlier on |
| 09:30.21 | Adys | unpack("<i?iiibiiiii", data[:38]) |
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| 09:31.55 | Wobin | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/e5d044b4ed1726950e45e35f8e9a0eca.jpg |
| 09:32.03 | Wobin | That's a whole lot neater than my usual |
| 09:32.11 | Fisker- | i have a fleshy bump at the root of my nail |
| 09:32.12 | Fisker- | QQ |
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| 10:21.34 | Arrowmaster | Fisker-: oh qq more, im missing half a thumbnail |
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| 10:22.27 | Fisker- | awesome Arrowmaster |
| 10:23.00 | Arrowmaster | and now im going to go sleep |
| 10:23.13 | Fisker- | kisses Arrowmaster goodnight |
| 10:23.44 | Arrowmaster | great now ill never be able to sleep again |
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| 10:24.10 | Fisker- | sends Arrowmaster screenshots of girls kissing |
| 10:24.21 | Arrowmaster | accepts |
| 10:25.27 | foxlit | qq @ Krakken. |
| 10:25.55 | foxlit | You can apparently be almost perfectly out of sync with it :/ |
| 10:27.10 | Fisker- | old |
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| 11:45.03 | sylvanaar | extremely large values of true - rofl Fisker- |
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| 12:01.23 | Wobin | hehe lol@ThreePanelSoul |
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| 12:04.38 | Wobin | also http://notalwaysright.com/a-lack-of-common-scents/2573 |
| 12:04.50 | Wobin | is clearly pepe le pew in disguise, that's why she couldn't tell the difference! |
| 12:09.21 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/tailoring.html |
| 12:09.34 | Adys | its tabtime |
| 12:13.41 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4zw99VsoMA&feature=player_embedded |
| 12:13.41 | Wobin | :O |
| 12:13.41 | Ycarene | What version of .net does the newest version of the curse client require? |
| 12:14.02 | Elkano | hmm 3.5? |
| 12:14.08 | Wobin | "... make sure it's corporated..." |
| 12:15.00 | Ycarene | Ugh, you'd think they'd go with something a little more portable, like java so they didn't have the write the app more than once. |
| 12:15.54 | olafski | watch out you'll get some java haters on you |
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| 12:19.38 | Ycarene | It just doesn't make sense to me, if you intend to write an application for more than one OS, why would you waste your time writing the application essentially twice? |
| 12:19.59 | Wobin | perhaps they don't feel Java provides a good enough user experience |
| 12:20.09 | Adys | HAHAHAH. |
| 12:20.13 | Wobin | so they have the work available to do more than one OS |
| 12:20.24 | Wobin | (hush, I'm trying to be diplomatic here =P) |
| 12:20.24 | Ycarene | Granted, java isn't perfect, but it would save a whole bunch of time. |
| 12:20.41 | Fisker | Wobin is the hero this channel needs |
| 12:20.45 | Wobin | Who says time is the thing they value most? |
| 12:20.48 | Fisker | but not the one this channel deserve |
| 12:21.01 | Wobin | has his own theme song |
| 12:21.16 | Ycarene | Ahh, well, I guess I'm doomed to never be able to use addon management software. |
| 12:21.24 | Fisker | well you don't deserve it Wobin |
| 12:21.26 | Wobin | You can only run Java? |
| 12:21.30 | Fisker | though you do need it |
| 12:22.11 | Ycarene | I can run java, and mono (.net up to 2.0 or so, as long as there's nothing windows specific in the executable) |
| 12:23.50 | Fisker | your mom is mono |
| 12:23.51 | Fisker | hoooooo |
| 12:24.42 | Wobin | happy canadian thanksgiving canadians |
| 12:24.54 | Cairenn | that was yesterday, but thank you |
| 12:24.59 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:29.07 | Fisker | slaps Cairenn around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:29.19 | Cairenn | cuddles Fisker |
| 12:32.28 | Industrial | is it that time again Fisker? |
| 12:32.35 | Industrial | gets the straps and the sedative |
| 12:34.07 | olafski | no worries ycarene I'm with you ;p |
| 12:34.28 | Fisker | i'm not the one in a coma Industrial |
| 12:34.35 | Fisker | unless you call unending rage a coma |
| 12:41.47 | robotusch | D: |
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| 13:04.07 | Vilkku | hmm, what would be the best way to detect if the player is in a vehicle where he can't use his own spells? |
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| 13:28.10 | Lopeppeppy | steals leftover turkey from Ackis and Cairenn. Nom nom nom! |
| 13:28.20 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: :) |
| 13:28.24 | Cairenn | was nummy! |
| 13:28.36 | Lopeppeppy | Yay! |
| 13:31.21 | Fisker | shoots Lopeppeppy |
| 13:31.25 | Fisker | thief |
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| 13:33.08 | Lopeppeppy | Um, rogue, hello? What else do I do but pickpocket Esamynn and swipe Cairenn's leftovers? |
| 13:43.29 | Zyn- | http://10gui.com/video/ |
| 13:43.33 | Zyn- | interesting concept |
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| 13:55.01 | Wobin | Zyn-, hell, I'd use it |
| 13:55.13 | Wobin | except it requires a decently sized footprint |
| 13:55.17 | Wobin | and my desk space is limited |
| 13:56.31 | olafski | looks cool zyn- :) |
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| 13:56.48 | olafski | wobin: I'm not entirely done watching but I would assume this replaces the keyboard |
| 13:56.53 | olafski | so shouldn't it make the footprint smaller? |
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| 13:58.36 | olafski | oh.. it goes under they keyboard :( |
| 13:58.52 | olafski | that's a shame |
| 14:00.14 | Wobin | yeah |
| 14:00.24 | Wobin | it's still just a cursor interface |
| 14:00.55 | Wobin | I don't think we can get around a keyboard interface |
| 14:01.04 | Wobin | unless we split to mind controlling the computer =) |
| 14:01.10 | olafski | but why not replace the keyboard? if you're used to typing enough you can type without seeing the buttons |
| 14:01.13 | Wobin | then we wouldn't need the cursor interface either |
| 14:01.19 | Wobin | olafski, feedback |
| 14:01.23 | olafski | so if you start rapidly tapping the touch thing surely it can conclude what you wanted to type |
| 14:01.36 | Wobin | it's incredibly difficult to type on a flat surface accurately |
| 14:01.48 | olafski | yeah feedback is nice to have.. I've never tried one of those projector keyboards, should do that sometime :) |
| 14:01.48 | Wobin | you need the keypresses to type fast |
| 14:02.06 | Wobin | That's why clicky keyboards help you type faster =) |
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| 14:06.59 | olafski | oh god please don't start about those horrible model 1 things or whatever they're called that make you deaf |
| 14:07.05 | olafski | I'm loving my rather quiet keyboard :D |
| 14:07.21 | Wobin | They're AWESOME |
| 14:07.42 | ZorbaBeta | they're terrible |
| 14:08.11 | olafski | I hate those things |
| 14:08.14 | Wobin | pft |
| 14:08.21 | olafski | quiet wins for me :D |
| 14:08.25 | Wobin | I type so much faster and far more accurately on it |
| 14:08.34 | Wobin | -and- I can use it to beat people's heads in |
| 14:08.39 | Wobin | (and still have it functional) |
| 14:08.53 | Wobin | Bet you can't say that for your quiet keyboard =P |
| 14:08.57 | olafski | I type fast and accurate on this one :( MS ComfortCurve 3000 or something |
| 14:09.27 | Wobin | It's not so much the noise, it's the scissor switch |
| 14:09.35 | ZorbaBeta | I don't have to beat people's heads in because they're not driven into a blood rage by the annoying clicking |
| 14:09.40 | olafski | :D |
| 14:09.52 | Wobin | ZorbaBeta, I'm not going to use it at work |
| 14:09.54 | olafski | but yeah I don't need to bash in people's heads either :P |
| 14:09.57 | Wobin | Cause yes, it's noisy |
| 14:10.02 | Wobin | but at home |
| 14:10.11 | olafski | no clue what a scissor switch is but I don't feel limited in my typing speed by the hardware :< |
| 14:10.22 | Wobin | olafski, you are =) |
| 14:10.29 | Wobin | because typing is all about the hardware |
| 14:10.40 | ZorbaBeta | honestly, I don't feel limited in my thought expression speed by my typing |
| 14:10.43 | Wobin | you have to realise when they key you're pressing registers |
| 14:11.00 | ZorbaBeta | so making my typing faster would simply make something that is already not a bottleneck into still not a bottleneck |
| 14:11.12 | Wobin | ZorbaBeta, Think faster =P |
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| 14:11.32 | olafski | yes wobin but I feel I realize that quickly enough.. I can type 640 chars per minute according to some little test and I'm quite satisfied with that, I can't think that fast anyway :P |
| 14:11.42 | Wobin | if you can only think at 120 (or whatever) words per minute, you're possibly a bit slow =P |
| 14:12.11 | Wobin | it's also less stress on the fingers |
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| 14:12.59 | ZorbaBeta | I don't see a reason to type everything I think, however ;) |
| 14:13.33 | Wobin | Where's your sense of monkey elephant giraffe adventure? |
| 14:14.13 | Wobin | Eh, the thing is, people don't realise how much easier it makes typing, until they use it for a bit. |
| 14:14.21 | Wobin | So it's difficult to 'sell' the idea |
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| 14:14.38 | Wobin | because people are too ingrained in the 'zomg, it's noisy, therefore it's OLD, therefore it's BAD' |
| 14:15.10 | Wobin | Personally, I've had it with dodgy cheap keyboards with terrible keys |
| 14:15.18 | Wobin | I will never have to replace this keyboard ever, probably =P |
| 14:15.24 | Wobin | so it's money well spent |
| 14:15.36 | Wobin | or at least until the next gen input thing comes out |
| 14:15.49 | Wobin | like the 10gui |
| 14:16.06 | Wobin | (I admit, the puns they used in the branding made me grit my teeth slightly =P) |
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| 14:18.31 | ZorbaBeta | see, for me, it's "it's noisy, therefore it's bad" |
| 14:18.46 | ZorbaBeta | I have spent probably $500-$1000 spread among my computers to make them as quiet as possible :P |
| 14:18.54 | Wobin | As I said, if you're going to use something like that at work, get the DasKeyboard |
| 14:18.57 | Wobin | similar tech |
| 14:18.59 | Wobin | but softer |
| 14:19.13 | Wobin | (actually, I didn't say, earlier... but got sidetracked =P) |
| 14:19.26 | Wobin | Not as good as the old clicky, but close |
| 14:19.29 | DWSR | What keyboard are we talking about here? |
| 14:19.39 | DWSR | Because I prefer my keyboards to have a certain....click. |
| 14:19.56 | DWSR | I like to feel like I'm pressing down on something solid as opposed to a cheap piece of MIC crap. |
| 14:19.59 | ZorbaBeta | it's sort of sad, but I have one weird requirement for keyboards that pretty much locks me into consumer keyboards |
| 14:20.05 | ZorbaBeta | I need a little spinny wheel for volume control :( |
| 14:20.11 | ZorbaBeta | it's just *so convenient* |
| 14:20.40 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: I'm going to assume that you're a desktop user? |
| 14:20.47 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I am |
| 14:21.00 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 14:21.05 | Wobin | DWSR, http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/customizer.html |
| 14:21.10 | DWSR | I'm a laptop user, so I always take that feature for granted. |
| 14:21.17 | ZorbaBeta | *nods* reasonable |
| 14:21.34 | ZorbaBeta | I need high horsepower and a lot of computer power, so a laptop just wouldn't work for me |
| 14:21.42 | Wobin | hm, wtf was I talking about? |
| 14:21.46 | Wobin | not scissor switch |
| 14:21.48 | Wobin | buckling spring |
| 14:21.56 | ZorbaBeta | my "home network" is five separate computers, and I'm usually using three simultaneously. not really laptopable ;) |
| 14:22.12 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: I understand that, but I the mobility aspect is nice too, especially when you leverage something like Live Mesh in order to sync across machines. |
| 14:22.27 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I do have a laptop for mobility |
| 14:22.28 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Yes it is. :) 64bit VMWare + 8GB of RAM = VMs! |
| 14:22.29 | Wobin | LiveMesh is limited by your bandwidth =( |
| 14:22.35 | ZorbaBeta | but 99% of what I do does not require mobility |
| 14:22.48 | DWSR | Wobin: I don't know where you live that bandwidth is an issue for sync'ing word documents and the like. |
| 14:22.50 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, no it isn't, I bought one of the computers because vmware on my 8gb box wasn't cutting it ;) |
| 14:22.56 | Wobin | DWSR, Australia =P |
| 14:22.58 | ZorbaBeta | (and got a multifold performance increase off it) |
| 14:23.04 | DWSR | Wobin: Oh. :( I get it. |
| 14:23.10 | Wobin | we have -terrible- internetworking |
| 14:23.18 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: So just keep pushing it. |
| 14:23.30 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: what are you doing that requires so much damn power? |
| 14:23.40 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, well, lately, building questhelper |
| 14:23.47 | Wobin | (What he does -every- night) |
| 14:23.48 | DWSR | Wobin: Yes, you do. :( I have FiOS from school here. |
| 14:23.52 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Er...build? |
| 14:23.55 | Wobin | (Tries to take over the world!) |
| 14:23.56 | DWSR | Lua's a scripting language. |
| 14:24.00 | DWSR | Wobin: LOL :D |
| 14:24.03 | ZorbaBeta | questhelper has a large database |
| 14:24.09 | ZorbaBeta | it is compiled from multiple gigabytes of input |
| 14:24.21 | DWSR | Ah, nvm. I see. :) |
| 14:24.24 | DWSR | But pft. |
| 14:24.27 | DWSR | Gigabytes of input? |
| 14:24.38 | DWSR | That's a harddrive bottleneck if I ever saw one. |
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| 14:24.49 | Wobin | go go SSD |
| 14:25.08 | ZorbaBeta | it's hard drive, partially, but also partially just sheer amount of data. I've got a little distributed networking thing to make it work, but it can't come close to storing everything in RAM at once |
| 14:25.15 | DWSR | Plus, do you need to be rebuilding QH constantly? And if so, why don't you have a dedicated headless which you run for that purpose and just rsync it to your development environment. |
| 14:25.24 | ZorbaBeta | so there's a lot of writing temporary files to disk. Even with that, however, *most* of it is raw CPU. |
| 14:25.29 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: gogo 64GB of RAM plz. |
| 14:25.33 | ZorbaBeta | I do have a dedicated headless, it's one of the five computers. It sits in my closet ;) |
| 14:25.43 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: If you have more than 64GB worth of data, you have too much freakin' data. :P |
| 14:25.54 | ZorbaBeta | *shrug* I have too much freakin' data |
| 14:26.05 | ZorbaBeta | but you need a whole shitton of data in order to pick up the quest data for that one quest nobody ever does |
| 14:26.27 | Lopeppeppy | In order to be complete, you must first be exhaustive and inclusive. Much data. |
| 14:26.31 | ZorbaBeta | I don't even want to think about how many megabytes of data I have saying where Stormwind guards are located, but, y'know, it's necessary for those few bytes nobody else has included. |
| 14:26.48 | Wobin | PS, DWSR that keyboard I linked. I highly recommend it |
| 14:26.50 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, exactly. If I had 1% of the data, I'd have 95% or more of the quests |
| 14:27.09 | Wobin | (For what you want) |
| 14:27.11 | olafski | so settle for only the good quests ;) |
| 14:27.13 | ZorbaBeta | but 95% ain't gonna cut it. |
| 14:27.15 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Is there no way to optimize the database? |
| 14:27.32 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, that is exactly why I have my build process - i take all that data and grind it down to about 7 megs |
| 14:27.34 | Wobin | DWSR, It's the same design as the old Model Ms |
| 14:27.55 | ZorbaBeta | (and most of that is foreign-language names, the actual quest data is 2 megs) |
| 14:28.10 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Right....but that's compressed and such. Is there no way to take the original data you're building from and streamline it? |
| 14:28.26 | Lopeppeppy | I think I like the sound of this addon. http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=14886 |
| 14:28.28 | ZorbaBeta | There are possibly ways. I haven't researched them heavily yet. At some point I'd need to do clean builds anyway, so I need the clean-build code |
| 14:28.32 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: I'm assuming that your raw input is aggregated from multiple sites and that there's a *ton* of overlap. |
| 14:28.38 | ZorbaBeta | and it's been easier to just throw hardware at the issue |
| 14:28.46 | ZorbaBeta | no sites, I don't pull from any of the major databases |
| 14:28.58 | ZorbaBeta | it's aggregated from people emailing me savedvariables files. I generate all my own data. |
| 14:29.12 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Again, there's a TON of overlap. |
| 14:29.18 | ZorbaBeta | Yeah, there is. No argument. |
| 14:29.22 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Is there no way for you to remove all duplication? |
| 14:29.32 | ZorbaBeta | well, that's what the build step *does* |
| 14:29.33 | DWSR | since SVs are all just text. |
| 14:29.48 | ZorbaBeta | keep in mind that it's very difficult to determine what "duplication" is |
| 14:30.11 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Right, but you don't need to buidl every database revision cleanly every time, especially for the Vanilla and BC content. |
| 14:30.12 | ZorbaBeta | these six people say that stormwind guards are found in very similar locations in stormwind. this seventh dude says a stormwind guard is wandering around Netherstorm. |
| 14:30.20 | Lopeppeppy | Vanilla will be changing in Cataclysm. |
| 14:30.24 | ZorbaBeta | Find and cull the corruption, bake the location down to figure out all the appropriate zones |
| 14:30.36 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Right, but it's not changing now. |
| 14:30.44 | ZorbaBeta | it's just easier for me to push the "do everything" button than to come up with some wacky way to split things up |
| 14:30.48 | DWSR | It'll change in the 4.0 PTR, which won't be for a few months. |
| 14:30.48 | ZorbaBeta | and actually, it changed in 3.2.2 ;) |
| 14:31.00 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Ah yeah, the Ony related stuff. :P |
| 14:31.08 | ZorbaBeta | at least four new quests with new NPCs and destinations in Classic areas |
| 14:31.11 | Lopeppeppy | See? Perfect reason to keep things around. They do change overtime. |
| 14:31.20 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: I'm not saying you shouldn't keep a copy of everything. |
| 14:31.21 | ZorbaBeta | Plus, I may not recognize a new form of corruption for a while |
| 14:31.33 | DWSR | But you don't need to buidl cleanly every time, is my point. |
| 14:31.39 | ZorbaBeta | keeping all the source data around, and building from it, makes it possible to recover from that corruption. Clean builds are just better, if you can afford them |
| 14:31.45 | Lopeppeppy | Need is not the same as want or prefer. |
| 14:31.53 | ZorbaBeta | and if I couldn't, I'd have bigger problems on my hands anyway. |
| 14:32.10 | ZorbaBeta | I *need* to do clean builds occasionally. Therefore, I just do clean builds all the time. :) |
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| 14:32.34 | ZorbaBeta | (this isn't entirely true, there's some preprocessing I do beforehand that is only done once. but honestly it just bit me yesterday, so even that is a little errorprone) |
| 14:33.45 | Wobin | all this talk about vanilla and baking |
| 14:33.49 | Wobin | is making me hungry |
| 14:33.53 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: You could just do differential or incremental archiving. |
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| 14:34.18 | DWSR | Would probably cut down a lot on the amount of data you physically have sitting on disk. |
| 14:34.30 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, I could. I'd spend several days rigging it up, and it would be more errorprone. |
| 14:34.45 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: How? Acronis TrueImage = gogo? |
| 14:34.46 | ZorbaBeta | I've got a 1.5tb hard drive for this, I'm using less than 20% for questhelper |
| 14:34.52 | ZorbaBeta | not too worried about that so far :) |
| 14:34.56 | Lopeppeppy | Sounds like you just prefer to keep data around, and it works well for you, Zorba. *smile* Good system is good. |
| 14:34.57 | DWSR | oh LOL |
| 14:35.13 | ZorbaBeta | the difficult part is the building, not keeping data around |
| 14:35.24 | ZorbaBeta | sheer data quantity = who cares |
| 14:35.27 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Don't take this as me being overly critical, I think whatever works for you works. :) QH is great. Just sorta asking questions for curiousity sake. |
| 14:35.33 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, yeah, no worries :) |
| 14:35.47 | ZorbaBeta | Acronis TrueImage is great for backups, but it doesn't help me do any kind of incremental *building* |
| 14:35.52 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: lol, you should talk to my father. He deals with yottabytes worth of information. |
| 14:36.01 | ZorbaBeta | the old 0.x QH did that, and it was a constant source of pain |
| 14:36.14 | ZorbaBeta | any time something got slightly broken I'd have to do a clean build anyway just to fix things |
| 14:36.49 | ZorbaBeta | I used to work at Google, I dealt with some enormous amount too. Though I'm not sure we had yottabytes :) what does he do with yottabytes? is he working at one of the particle colliders or something? |
| 14:36.56 | olafski | oh wow the new maps in questhelper look cool |
| 14:36.58 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: lol, wrong prefix, sorry. |
| 14:37.06 | olafski | at least I think this is a new feature? |
| 14:37.08 | ZorbaBeta | olafski, which, the colored-in zones? |
| 14:37.16 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: I think I meant exabytes. |
| 14:37.20 | ZorbaBeta | it's been around for a month or three by now, but it's the newest major thing |
| 14:37.23 | olafski | zorbabeta: yeah |
| 14:37.32 | ZorbaBeta | I am proud of them :D |
| 14:37.33 | olafski | I actually started using carbonite cause I liked the maps better :$ |
| 14:37.37 | olafski | but this looks great |
| 14:37.41 | olafski | will have to try QH again :D |
| 14:37.42 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Link? |
| 14:37.49 | olafski | http://media.curse.com/Curse.Projects.ProjectImages/4922/16341/WoWScrnShot_072809_155251.jpg |
| 14:38.05 | ZorbaBeta | there ya go, that's the image I was going for also |
| 14:38.08 | DWSR | oh, that's old news. :P |
| 14:38.16 | ZorbaBeta | I actually got my alt those quest about two weeks before I implemented the feature |
| 14:38.25 | olafski | jebus just as I was about to commit, I figured I'd do a quick svn up first.. now everything is gone to shit, I should've committed sooner :P |
| 14:38.26 | ZorbaBeta | then said "oh man, I need to keep these quests so I can use them as screenshots" |
| 14:38.27 | DWSR | I'm looking for an addon to replace AlphaMap (which is buggy) but has similar features and is *not* Carto. |
| 14:38.53 | DWSR | Halp? |
| 14:39.00 | ZorbaBeta | I intentionally don't muck with the map much, though I've been considering it just to make a *good* map plugin |
| 14:39.09 | Seerah | DWSR: mapster? |
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| 14:39.13 | ZorbaBeta | it's amazing how bad most of the map plugins are :( |
| 14:39.18 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: indeed. |
| 14:39.40 | ZorbaBeta | I use mapster myself, though I only use it for a map that isn't fullscreen |
| 14:39.53 | Bruners | i just use tekmapenhancer |
| 14:39.54 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Yeah, I have both AM and Carto3. |
| 14:40.02 | ZorbaBeta | sweet, almost done with the clean prebuild step |
| 14:40.10 | DWSR | I like AM because of the way that it hides oceans/art from the map when I open it. |
| 14:40.10 | ZorbaBeta | ugh carto |
| 14:40.11 | Wobin | I <3 SexyMap's HUDMap for gathering |
| 14:40.19 | ZorbaBeta | there is a significant amount of code in questhelper just to sidestep cartographer bugs |
| 14:40.25 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Carto or Carto3? |
| 14:40.34 | ZorbaBeta | both, I think. carto definitely. |
| 14:40.51 | DWSR | Carto3's a really neat concept and I really like it. |
| 14:41.36 | ZorbaBeta | it's a neat idea, but it's effectively abandoned. and anything the size of carto3 is going to bitrot crazy fast in the WoW environment |
| 14:42.10 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: mhm. |
| 14:42.13 | Wobin | what was the trick? |
| 14:42.21 | DWSR | I wish that someone would take up Carto3. |
| 14:42.26 | DWSR | I would love to see it maintained. |
| 14:42.56 | Wobin | oh googlemapsish |
| 14:44.24 | DWSR | yeah |
| 14:44.33 | DWSR | I love it. :) |
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| 14:51.56 | ZorbaBeta | it's a neat idea. if I had infinite time I'd pick it up, but I don't. |
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| 14:52.58 | ZorbaBeta | ugh I wish Blizzard GMs would stop blatantly lying about questhelper |
| 14:53.07 | Lopeppeppy | Oh dear. |
| 14:53.11 | DWSR | ? |
| 14:53.19 | ZorbaBeta | "When I asked how Blizz thought the hack happened, the rep told me that questhelper has multiple authors working on it and that one of them had dropped a keylogger......" |
| 14:53.39 | Lopeppeppy | UGH! |
| 14:53.43 | ZorbaBeta | I've heard Blizzard reps saying that Questhelper made his combat system fail, that Questhelper has a keylogger, that Questhelper is basically to blame for any mistake, even mistakes that it could not possibly have made |
| 14:53.44 | Ackis | TRUTH |
| 14:53.53 | Wobin | Clearly it is a hack |
| 14:53.58 | Wobin | and that's NEVER good! |
| 14:54.05 | Wobin | >< |
| 14:54.14 | ZorbaBeta | I emailed Blizzard once and asked if we could get something going where I dealt with QH tech support, and they said "oh we never refer to UI mods by name" |
| 14:54.21 | ZorbaBeta | which is, I mean, completely 100% false |
| 14:54.33 | Wobin | did you quote them at them? =) |
| 14:54.41 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, they just blew me off |
| 14:54.47 | ZorbaBeta | that is basically the story of my interaction with Blizzard |
| 14:54.54 | ZorbaBeta | Zorba> Hey this would help both of us, how about it |
| 14:54.58 | ZorbaBeta | Blizzard> lol QQ more, nub |
| 14:55.09 | Lopeppeppy | Then every tiem you see a GM on the forum say QH is to blame, send a report to GM feedback. That will solve it post-haste. |
| 14:55.22 | ZorbaBeta | I don't really browse the forums enough for that |
| 14:55.31 | Lopeppeppy | Then you can't solve it. |
| 14:55.34 | ZorbaBeta | although if you happen to see any, I'd vastly appreciate a link |
| 14:55.35 | Ackis | ZorbaBeta: lawsuit! |
| 14:55.44 | ZorbaBeta | ackis, yes, I will go right up against blizzard lawyers |
| 14:55.50 | ZorbaBeta | that is something I am absolutely interested in doing |
| 14:55.52 | Wobin | You should find some bots that do the bluetracking |
| 14:55.59 | Wobin | and modify them to search for 'Quest Helper' =) |
| 14:56.03 | ZorbaBeta | wobin, hmm, not a bad idea |
| 14:56.11 | Lopeppeppy | I use BlueTracker, I've never seen them mention any addons by name there. They may say, "you must remove addons before we will help you", but I've never seen a name |
| 14:56.22 | Wobin | Or even just filter the bluetracking for the phrase |
| 14:56.26 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: doesn't that filter out tech support ones? |
| 14:56.40 | Lopeppeppy | I have no idea, Ackis, it could. |
| 14:56.55 | DWSR | Usually they do. |
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| 15:12.01 | psino | ckknight: will "show dmg on nameplates" come back to parrot (if Im not mistaken, it used to be possible before) |
| 15:12.06 | psino | on/above |
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| 15:15.24 | DWSR | Codayus_ |
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| 15:17.52 | Ancu | tell me there is no patch relase today |
| 15:18.08 | ZorbaBeta | early surprise release of 3.3 |
| 15:18.11 | ZorbaBeta | (not really) |
| 15:18.23 | Lopeppeppy | april fools in October! |
| 15:18.33 | zenzelezz | of course there's a patch release today |
| 15:18.35 | zenzelezz | just not for WoW |
| 15:18.56 | Ancu | tuseday patch day |
| 15:19.15 | Ancu | I hate updating QH |
| 15:19.35 | ZorbaBeta | then don't update it ;) I do a release every week regularly, but most of them are minor |
| 15:19.52 | olafski | what's wrong with updating it :< |
| 15:19.57 | DWSR | Nothing. |
| 15:19.58 | DWSR | :P |
| 15:20.04 | ZorbaBeta | olafski, it's pretty big, in fairness. |
| 15:20.14 | olafski | myeah |
| 15:20.18 | ZorbaBeta | it's one of the flatout bulkiest UI mods out there. |
| 15:20.18 | DWSR | No it's not. |
| 15:20.19 | olafski | but 7MB .. bleh :P |
| 15:20.19 | Ancu | time consuming. I am on dialup remember |
| 15:20.25 | DWSR | 7mb LOLOLOLOL |
| 15:20.32 | DWSR | Ancu: Oh, poor you :( |
| 15:20.32 | olafski | oh yeah I should have remembered that.. :P |
| 15:20.36 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, compared to the other mods ;) |
| 15:20.46 | Ancu | 8MB on the button this time |
| 15:20.53 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Since Lua is just text, can't you offer a diff? |
| 15:20.53 | ZorbaBeta | ancu, seriously, glance at the changelog when you're thinking of updating. usually it's just not a major update |
| 15:20.56 | ZorbaBeta | fixed a few bugs, etc |
| 15:21.02 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, for the five people who would use it? :P |
| 15:21.10 | ZorbaBeta | I've suggested that they roll diff functionality into the curse client |
| 15:21.12 | ZorbaBeta | but they haven't |
| 15:21.15 | ZorbaBeta | I have NFC why not. |
| 15:21.16 | Ancu | Well it is important this time |
| 15:21.16 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Tons of people use QH, I'd love a diff. |
| 15:21.34 | Ancu | I have been getting error pop on load bout 50 percent of the time |
| 15:21.40 | ZorbaBeta | ancu, ah, you got hit by the director_quest.lua crash? |
| 15:21.41 | ZorbaBeta | yeah |
| 15:21.49 | olafski | zorbabeta: duh, they want you to pay for curse client to get faster downloads :) |
| 15:21.54 | ZorbaBeta | man I still never managed to duplicate that one without basically forcing it, but |
| 15:22.11 | Ancu | curse client would not give me faster dls |
| 15:22.16 | DWSR | There a patch today? |
| 15:22.27 | ZorbaBeta | ancu, it would if it were downloading a small fraction of the data ;) |
| 15:22.29 | Ancu | they said no |
| 15:22.42 | Ancu | lol |
| 15:22.43 | DWSR | That's what they said. |
| 15:22.47 | DWSR | Theory != reality. |
| 15:22.55 | DWSR | So I ask: Is there a patch today? |
| 15:23.14 | ZorbaBeta | if there is, they haven't released it to clients yet |
| 15:23.25 | Bruners | ZorbaBeta: CurseClient is supposed to be simple stupid, not filled with fancy features |
| 15:23.42 | ZorbaBeta | bruners, it'd be a completely transparent feature. things would just download faster. |
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| 15:24.12 | olafski | yeah they could implement it and users nor addon authors would have to notice the difference |
| 15:24.42 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: You could release the diff on your site for dialup users. |
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| 15:24.55 | DWSR | Just be like "Here's an upgrade version" |
| 15:25.08 | DWSR | Or you could simply only include changed files or what have you |
| 15:25.09 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, the mere amount of tech support I'd have to deal with wouldn't make it worthwhile |
| 15:25.21 | Ancu | what are you guys making fun of me for now? I lost track of the tread |
| 15:25.22 | DWSR | right, QH is mainstream. |
| 15:25.23 | zenzelezz | how would you do diffs for an addon updater? Keep only a diff from (previous version) => (new version), or a repository of X => Y, X => Z, Y => Z, etc? |
| 15:25.25 | ZorbaBeta | to say nothing about, y'know, the effort of setting up a system to generate it. |
| 15:25.31 | Bruners | ZorbaBeta: that would add a lot of extra code to the client |
| 15:25.45 | ZorbaBeta | bruners, not really. it's not that complicated of a system. |
| 15:25.46 | olafski | ancu: there is a way to make the download a LOT smaller with the curse client but they won't add that feature to the client |
| 15:25.50 | DWSR | zenzelezz: Addon updaters don't do diffs. They just download the new version's archive and extract it in place of the old addon. |
| 15:25.54 | ZorbaBeta | zenzelezz, keep (the last five version) => (current version) |
| 15:25.59 | zenzelezz | DWSR: I said *how would*, not *how do* |
| 15:26.10 | ZorbaBeta | so you check what version you have, you see if there's an update available, if there is, you update |
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| 15:26.13 | DWSR | zenzelezz: Oh, sorry. >.< |
| 15:26.15 | ZorbaBeta | otherwise you fall back on "download the whole dang thing". |
| 15:26.20 | Bruners | ZorbaBeta: it is, with different repositories, and some people only uploads zips |
| 15:26.21 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: No, you don't even need to do that. |
| 15:26.36 | ZorbaBeta | (alternatively, "the last five versions and all versions released in the last month". you'd tweak it based on storage and actual performance.) |
| 15:26.36 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Just have x -> y y-> z, etc. |
| 15:26.48 | ZorbaBeta | bruners, so you unzip the zip and eat things out of it :P |
| 15:26.49 | DWSR | And if you're behind the current version, just go through the chain. |
| 15:26.55 | Ancu | I roll with manual anyway, because I manage 2-3 machines addons |
| 15:26.59 | DWSR | I eat things out, but not zip files. =\ |
| 15:26.59 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, more complicated on the clientside, and potentially quite a lot larger |
| 15:27.02 | olafski | I still say they want addons to be large so users feel the capped download speed better :P |
| 15:27.08 | ZorbaBeta | QH, at least, updates its core database somewhat frequently |
| 15:27.22 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Yeah, the diff could probably save a ton of bandwidth. |
| 15:27.33 | ZorbaBeta | olafski, it's possible. it would explain why they haven't done it yet. |
| 15:27.40 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Do you have hosting somewhere for QH? |
| 15:27.43 | olafski | I'm not bothered with the capped speed ;) |
| 15:27.49 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, the incremental diff would actually use *more* bandwidth if it passed two database revisions ;) |
| 15:28.07 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, no, I just use the main sites. the bandwidth QH requires would destroy me if I couldn't monetize it a whole hell of a lot better than I currently am |
| 15:28.10 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: How so? I'm assuming that you change <1/5th of all of the data in each revision. |
| 15:28.16 | ZorbaBeta | unfortunately not |
| 15:28.23 | DWSR | O_O |
| 15:28.23 | DWSR | wtf? |
| 15:28.35 | ZorbaBeta | the main database is highly compressed and automatically generated, and is liable to change completely with only a small amount of modifications |
| 15:28.37 | DWSR | I'm excluding major content changes. |
| 15:28.39 | Ancu | zorbabeta, are you on the QH team? |
| 15:28.42 | DWSR | Oh right, compression >.< |
| 15:28.47 | ZorbaBeta | it wouldn't surprise me if just build order changes changed it, in fact |
| 15:28.47 | DWSR | Ancu: He *is* the QH team. |
| 15:29.04 | DWSR | Diff'ing compressed data doesn't work, I forgot. |
| 15:29.04 | DWSR | Shit. |
| 15:29.05 | ZorbaBeta | and yes, I am the entire QH team, with the exception of some highly valued guys who help me out with support on curse.com :) |
| 15:29.15 | Ancu | Gee, next time I have such an error, Ill just tell you |
| 15:29.21 | olafski | :P |
| 15:29.24 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, though keep in mind that database updates only show up one time out of two or three |
| 15:29.30 | ZorbaBeta | so when I'm *not* updating the database, it'd be a huge win. |
| 15:29.51 | ZorbaBeta | usually it's an 8mb download for, like, 2kb of changed code :P |
| 15:29.53 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Anyway, if you're interested, I might be getting a shell account that comes with a ton of web hosting that I will never use, hit me up if you're interested. |
| 15:29.55 | olafski | so keep the last 5 versions => current as diffs +) |
| 15:30.04 | ZorbaBeta | ancu, alright :) though that one I got reported early and it just took me a while to figure it out |
| 15:30.35 | Ancu | I saw the person just before me who reported it also |
| 15:30.40 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, if I were to split off from Curse, it would be a monumental undertaking - we're talking terabytes of bandwidth, plus some kind of updater |
| 15:30.55 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: I'm not talking about splitting off, but you could have your own site :) |
| 15:31.10 | ZorbaBeta | I could, but I'm not sure it'd accomplish much, I'd probably still just use curse.com as the homepage ;) |
| 15:31.23 | Ancu | please dont leave curse. Its hard enough that 2 of my addons are not avail on curse |
| 15:31.32 | DWSR | Ancu: He won't be leaving curse. |
| 15:31.35 | ZorbaBeta | ancu, it turned out to be a race condition in code that, when originally written, couldn't ever be run simultaneously |
| 15:31.46 | Ancu | Yay |
| 15:31.46 | ZorbaBeta | luckily though I was smart enough to put in some checks to make sure it wasn't, somehow, being run simultaneously anyway |
| 15:31.51 | Lopeppeppy | I actually get none of my addons from Curse, they're all on WoW Interface. |
| 15:32.05 | ZorbaBeta | and that's what was triggering - not it stepping on its own feet, but the checks saying "hey what what's going on" |
| 15:32.11 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: At any rate, it could be advantageous to have your own site for stuff like development versions or a public SVN (which the hosting comes with). |
| 15:32.48 | DWSR | I'm just saying I need an excuse to use the goddamn stuff. |
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| 15:33.04 | ZorbaBeta | haha, alright. I don't think I'll need it, but I'll keep it in mind if I do :D |
| 15:33.08 | DWSR | So what the hell, you could use it for a public SVN mirror. :P |
| 15:33.21 | ZorbaBeta | lope, do you use Minion to update, or wowi directly? |
| 15:33.21 | Ancu | So I dont supose the creator of ArcInventory is here as well? |
| 15:33.30 | DWSR | omg. |
| 15:33.35 | DWSR | Don't get me started iwth Ark. |
| 15:33.41 | DWSR | I love to hate it. |
| 15:33.56 | DWSR | I love that addon so much, but some of the features are just so....RAWRGLERAWRGL |
| 15:34.06 | Ancu | What? I like the ArkInventory. I didn't like ArkHud |
| 15:34.16 | DWSR | Ancu: I love it too. |
| 15:34.21 | DWSR | It brings sanity to my bags. |
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| 15:34.26 | DWSR | It just has issues. |
| 15:34.28 | DWSR | A lot of them. |
| 15:34.34 | Ancu | right |
| 15:34.46 | Ancu | like what? |
| 15:34.52 | DWSR | Performance issues come to mind. |
| 15:35.05 | DWSR | Like the fact that it's nom'ing cycles like snack food during combat. wtf? |
| 15:35.22 | ZorbaBeta | a while back I actually rigged QH to almost completely shut itself off during combat |
| 15:35.37 | Ancu | sweet |
| 15:35.38 | ZorbaBeta | still not sure if it's overkill, I may have to let it throttle up a little bit to take care of pending routing requests |
| 15:35.45 | Ancu | But I use it most durring combat |
| 15:35.48 | ZorbaBeta | it's kind of weird that it absolutely refuses to update your route in combat :P |
| 15:35.55 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Don't you take a performance hit when trying to shut stuff off during combat? |
| 15:36.07 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, by "shut things off" I really mean "stop budgeting CPU cycles" |
| 15:36.21 | DWSR | ah |
| 15:36.47 | ZorbaBeta | QH is (afaik) unique in the addon community in that the bulk of its work is done in one titantic coroutine that just runs in the background all the time |
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| 15:37.18 | ZorbaBeta | there's a nontrivial amount of work gone into making that coroutine's CPU drain as unobtrusive as possible, but the kind of routing QH does means that it basically needs to eat a pile of CPU pretty much constantly. |
| 15:37.32 | Ancu | I tend to shoot, pull up questlog, subconsiously go through rotation, determine next corse of action, close log |
| 15:37.35 | ZorbaBeta | it's a perpetual balancing act. |
| 15:37.44 | DWSR | Ancu: Really? |
| 15:37.52 | ZorbaBeta | ancu, I take it you're not using the "questhelper directs you to the next objective" feature? |
| 15:37.53 | Ancu | yes |
| 15:38.02 | DWSR | Ancu: Get LH =\ |
| 15:38.07 | DWSR | You won't bother opening the log anymore. |
| 15:38.13 | DWSR | Just lotsa faceroll. |
| 15:38.14 | Ancu | I do, somtimes replace log with map |
| 15:38.29 | DWSR | Why? :P |
| 15:38.30 | Ancu | and yes, I costantly look at LH in combat as well |
| 15:38.42 | Ancu | combat is a brake for me to review what I am doing |
| 15:38.50 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Do you use a seperate lib for routing information? |
| 15:38.52 | Ancu | unless I am in an instance |
| 15:39.26 | ZorbaBeta | dwsr, virtually everything QH does is done on my own. The only major library QH relies on for internal work is Astrolabe, which is used to map things between coordinate systems. |
| 15:39.48 | ZorbaTHut | QH has a little internal database of links between zones and such. |
| 15:40.06 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Well, I was thinking it would be nice to add routes around certain obstacles. |
| 15:40.11 | DWSR | Like....mountains and cliffs. |
| 15:40.16 | ZorbaTHut | yah, that's a feature I'd love to put in |
| 15:40.24 | Ackis | ZorbaTHut: is it your QH astrolube that's saying we don't have a thingy for hothrigar's landing or w/e it is? |
| 15:40.29 | ZorbaTHut | it's a lot of time and work, and I think it'll slow QH down a lot |
| 15:40.36 | ZorbaTHut | no, that's Cartographer |
| 15:40.36 | Ancu | qh is over 50% downloaded yay! |
| 15:40.40 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: Routes @ Curse has an option to add areas that Routes are not allowed to pass through |
| 15:40.48 | ZorbaTHut | and before QH 1.1.19 it caused a crash in Questhelper because Cartographer is terrible. |
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| 15:41.10 | ZorbaTHut | dwsr, true, but routes doesn't then route around those areas |
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| 15:41.31 | DWSR | ZorbaTHut: It seems to just route to points that will get you around those areas. |
| 15:41.37 | ZorbaTHut | in any case, it's on my list to do, but it's several items down on that list |
| 15:41.46 | ZorbaTHut | and the items above it are things like "achievements" |
| 15:41.51 | DWSR | Pft. |
| 15:41.57 | DWSR | We don't need no stinking achievementhelper. |
| 15:42.03 | ZorbaTHut | man, *I* want achievement helper |
| 15:42.06 | DWSR | :P |
| 15:42.08 | ZorbaTHut | fuck my users, I'm writin' that sucker for me |
| 15:42.09 | DWSR | lol |
| 15:42.10 | Ancu | so is there no cords in instances? Because I noticed that qh dosn't point anywhare in the instance |
| 15:42.16 | DWSR | Ancu: correct. |
| 15:42.19 | ZorbaTHut | ancu, there are in Wrath instances, but not beforehand |
| 15:42.26 | DWSR | Well, more accurately, there aren't in vanilla/BC. |
| 15:42.34 | ZorbaTHut | actually, the only reason QH doesn't display waypoints in Wrath instances is because they don't work quite properly yet and it explicitly hides them |
| 15:43.10 | Ancu | realy? |
| 15:43.12 | doobius | how don't they work? |
| 15:43.40 | DWSR | doobius: the reported co-ords don't match up to the calculated co'ords? |
| 15:43.49 | Ancu | thats a doobius question doobius |
| 15:43.56 | ZorbaTHut | no, it's really that QH's implementation isn't yet fully functional |
| 15:44.00 | DWSR | doobius: (i.e. you are 60,58 according to the top-left corner of the map, but 70,65 according to the server). |
| 15:44.07 | ZorbaTHut | I need size data for the instances, and that means I have to run through them and record info, which I just haven't done yet |
| 15:44.25 | ZorbaTHut | it's all my fault, not blizzard's fault, I've just been slacking on it :) |
| 15:44.44 | doobius | im prety sure the creator of astrolabe has them all measured out when i asked |
| 15:44.44 | Ancu | lol |
| 15:44.51 | doobius | points at Esamynn |
| 15:44.57 | ZorbaTHut | in fact if you have a quest in Oculus, QH will currently direct you to "Nexus801", which always makes me feel vaguely ashamed |
| 15:45.04 | DWSR | lol |
| 15:45.52 | Ancu | so what about the dev of the armory addon |
| 15:46.04 | Ancu | he on here too? |
| 15:46.18 | Lopeppeppy | Which armory addon? |
| 15:46.24 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 15:46.40 | DWSR | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/armory.aspx? |
| 15:47.01 | Ancu | the one that stores all the info on each char so you can pull it up on others. And I assume that that is the correct link. |
| 15:47.15 | Ancu | I am still downing QH, so I cant verify |
| 15:47.37 | Lopeppeppy | Author is Warmexx, so you do a ~seen to see if they hang out here. |
| 15:47.42 | Lopeppeppy | ~seen warmexx |
| 15:47.44 | purl | i haven't seen 'warmexx', Lopeppeppy |
| 15:47.44 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 15:48.01 | Lopeppeppy | There ya go. |
| 15:48.06 | Ancu | ~seen warmexx |
| 15:48.06 | purl | i haven't seen 'warmexx', Ancu |
| 15:48.22 | Ancu | oh, cool |
| 15:48.57 | Ancu | ~seen ancu |
| 15:48.58 | purl | ancu is currently on #wowuidev (32m 3s). Has said a total of 41 messages. Is idling for 1s, last said: '~seen ancu'. |
| 15:49.09 | Ancu | lol |
| 15:49.13 | Lunessa | And now for something completely different, a man with three buttocks. |
| 15:49.18 | DWSR | Lunessa :D |
| 15:49.39 | Lopeppeppy | That sounds painful, Lunessa. |
| 15:49.43 | Lopeppeppy | Morning dear. |
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| 15:50.17 | Lunessa | Morning Her Peppy-ness. *tips hat* |
| 15:50.18 | Ancu | starts to snore |
| 15:50.59 | Ancu | I hate tuseday patchday, but it is usefull for doing updates |
| 15:51.56 | Ancu | 6.7MB of 8.0MB downed |
| 15:52.48 | ZorbaTHut | on the plus side I'm pretty sure it fixes that bug :D |
| 15:55.14 | Ancu | swet |
| 15:56.03 | Ancu | s/swet/sweet |
| 15:56.25 | Ancu | s/swet/sweet/ |
| 15:56.39 | Ancu | crap |
| 15:57.05 | ZorbaTHut | haha |
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| 15:59.12 | Ancu | how do you change your nick again? |
| 16:00.54 | Lunessa | "I think I should warn you all, when a vampire bites it, it's never a pretty sight. No two bloodsuckers go the same way. Some yell and scream, some go quietly, some explode, some implode, but all will try to take you with them. " |
| 16:02.33 | Ancu | as far as what you said on curse zorba, I just use priority settings in those situations |
| 16:03.12 | Ancu | I never use the solo command, And I always have share on as I am usualy helping my grandmother |
| 16:04.02 | ZorbaTHut | that's the default, and that's what most people do |
| 16:04.54 | DWSR | Ancu: /nick newnick. |
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| 16:05.26 | ancu_bad_spellar | sweet |
| 16:05.59 | DWSR | ~lart ancu_bad_spellar |
| 16:05.59 | purl | teaches ancu_bad_spellar that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right. |
| 16:06.00 | ancu_bad_spellar | wait, who is lonadar? |
| 16:07.01 | DWSR | ~who lonadar |
| 16:07.11 | DWSR | ancu_bad_spellar: No one? |
| 16:07.51 | mikma | bwahahahahahahahahahaaaaa |
| 16:08.01 | mikma | this noobie in the guild was "i don't need any bossmods, i'm good" |
| 16:08.15 | mikma | Date of Violation: 2009/10/13 |
| 16:08.15 | mikma | Type of Violation: Violation of the terms of service |
| 16:08.15 | mikma | Details of Incident: Repeated use of highly offensive Malicious Racism in Game towards other players. |
| 16:08.21 | mikma | Consequences for Account: Account Cancellation |
| 16:08.23 | mikma | owned |
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| 16:09.25 | Fisker | moar info mikma |
| 16:09.34 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 16:10.01 | Lopeppeppy | You're good, but you're a lousy person so you're gone anyway! |
| 16:10.29 | mikma | fisker: we don't have more info, that was just his forum post that he's quitting wow |
| 16:11.09 | Fisker | just seems odd |
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| 16:11.12 | Fisker | either fake or on purpose |
| 16:11.15 | Fisker | noone is that stupid |
| 16:12.24 | Lopeppeppy | yes, yes they are |
| 16:13.33 | Fisker | takes a lot of racism to achieve that |
| 16:13.38 | Fisker | so i have a hard time believing that :P |
| 16:14.01 | mikma | "repeated use" |
| 16:14.15 | Fisker | yeah exactly |
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| 16:15.27 | Bruners | what is highly offensive malicious racism ? |
| 16:15.42 | ZorbaTHut | hey, if something's worth doing, it's worth doing right |
| 16:15.44 | Lopeppeppy | repeated use, chasing them on alts, etc etc I would assume. |
| 16:15.48 | ZorbaTHut | and, sometimes, repeatedly |
| 16:15.50 | Lopeppeppy | This is likely not the first offense. |
| 16:17.21 | Bruners | i though all racism was highly offensive |
| 16:18.12 | Fisker | my guess is shit like "Nigga stole my bike" or "naga stole my water"-type offenses are what's not highly offensive :P |
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| 16:19.29 | ZorbaTHut | yeah there's a big difference between "hey, internet catchphrase!" and "oh, you are a (racial slur)? let me tell you everything that (racial slur)s are stereotypically known for" |
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| 16:20.23 | ArrowmasterClass | grr fucking hate mcafee, makes everything on this school pc slow as fuck |
| 16:20.37 | ArrowmasterClass | i think its scanning my entire flash drive every day |
| 16:21.16 | Bruners | Fisker: what offensive things can i call you danes? |
| 16:22.07 | Fisker | Swedes |
| 16:22.43 | Bruners | you arent that low, so that would only be funny |
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| 16:47.22 | Lopeppeppy | Sleepy Peppy needs a post-lunch nap. Oiy. |
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| 16:49.24 | ancu_I_am_back | Somone needed to make a call |
| 16:50.11 | ancu_I_am_back | hey zorba, who is lonadar on curse? Is he part of the QH team in some way? |
| 16:52.49 | Lunessa | needs lunch |
| 16:53.11 | ArrowmasterClass | ancu_I_am_back: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/quest-helper/ |
| 16:53.45 | ancu_I_am_back | hands lunessa a salami cheese and tamato sadwich |
| 16:54.14 | ArrowmasterClass | see the author list on the side of the page |
| 16:55.43 | kdtresh | savedvariables are written on logout or reloadui, correct? |
| 16:56.00 | ancu_I_am_back | got it, thanks arrowmasterclass |
| 16:56.22 | ArrowmasterClass | kdtresh: yes |
| 16:56.34 | kdtresh | ok, so if i log out and get to the char select screen |
| 16:56.45 | kdtresh | and then try to change realms and wow crashes |
| 16:56.50 | kdtresh | data has already been saved |
| 16:56.58 | Lopeppeppy | Usually. :) |
| 16:57.08 | kdtresh | yes* |
| 16:57.08 | Lopeppeppy | Doesn't mean the crash doesn't corrupt it. |
| 16:57.11 | kdtresh | *unless it's not |
| 16:57.30 | kdtresh | hmmm |
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| 16:59.26 | kdtresh | would be nice if wow wasn't crashing when i switch realms, lol |
| 16:59.45 | Ancu | lol |
| 16:59.58 | NightHawkTheSane | stop switching realms, obviously? :P |
| 17:00.00 | Lopeppeppy | Check the tech support forum, see if anyone else has posted solutions? |
| 17:00.20 | kdtresh | i see lots of people saying "me too" but no solutions |
| 17:01.01 | Lunessa | Peppy dear - http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/09/health/research/09virus.html |
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| 17:02.51 | Lopeppeppy | Interesting, Lunessa... very. I'll print it and put it in the package for my physical, I'm going to talk to my GP about all **sorts** of interesting vague things! |
| 17:03.23 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I suffer CFS, so I'm interested in these findings. |
| 17:04.36 | Lopeppeppy | I have no real good feel for what might be My Thing, 's what I want the GP to do all sorts of cute things to find out about. Hypothyroid covers a lot of my bases. |
| 17:07.02 | Ancu | I have to give props to the guy who wrote auctioneer, I cant imagine trying to keep track of all that data my self |
| 17:08.38 | Ancu | its one of my essentials |
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| 17:09.15 | Ancu | that and QH and ArkInventory, and LH, and....I think thats it for essentials |
| 17:09.42 | Lopeppeppy | Clique. My life is over without Clique. |
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| 17:09.59 | Ancu | clique? whats that do? |
| 17:10.25 | jnwhiteh | lets you form snotty groups with friends where you talk about other people, while excluding them from joining your group. |
| 17:10.34 | Lopeppeppy | Binds your spells to clicks of your mouse. |
| 17:10.39 | Lopeppeppy | Or what jnwhiteh says. *grin* |
| 17:10.45 | Lunessa | A friend of mine feels the same way about Clique. She once said "I want to marry the guy who wrote it." I didn't embarrass her at BlizzCon when I introduced her to jnwhiteh. :P |
| 17:10.53 | jnwhiteh | hahaha =) |
| 17:11.01 | jnwhiteh | my fiance would have not appreciated that |
| 17:11.28 | Lunessa | I didn't think so either. :) |
| 17:11.32 | kdtresh | would give you fodder in arguments later :P |
| 17:11.54 | Lopeppeppy | I don't want to marry jnwhiteh, I just want to keep him happily programming forever and ever. |
| 17:11.59 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 17:12.06 | Lopeppeppy | Hey, I know my limits! |
| 17:12.17 | Ancu | Sounds cool, but not like somthing i would use... |
| 17:12.47 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: She was the thin blonde with the glasses that sat with us for the Cataclysm panel at BlizzCon. |
| 17:12.48 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, it is love incarnate for a caster |
| 17:12.58 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:13.00 | Ancu | On the other hand, I said that about bagnon, now I cant live without a one bag addon of some osrt |
| 17:13.03 | kdtresh | it's like healbot without the healbot |
| 17:13.04 | Fisker | i threw you on the ground |
| 17:13.11 | Lunessa | I waited until the Show was over to tell her who she'd met. :P |
| 17:13.16 | Lopeppeppy | Sneaky |
| 17:13.16 | Pneumatus | Clique+Grid are probably the only addons i couldn't do without |
| 17:13.34 | Lopeppeppy | I hates the grid, but Clique + good frames = heaven |
| 17:13.56 | Ancu | grid? |
| 17:14.03 | Lopeppeppy | Unit frame addon |
| 17:14.10 | Pneumatus | although i could technically do without grid |
| 17:14.11 | Iriel | Lunessa: that's funny 8-) |
| 17:14.11 | Lunessa | Right now, I totally <3 Shadowed Unit Frames - very easy to configure/customize, and Shadowed is always improving them. |
| 17:14.12 | Pneumatus | but |
| 17:14.30 | Lunessa | Iriel: Yeah, I thought so too. |
| 17:14.42 | kdtresh | i've used perl classic for a long time |
| 17:15.25 | Lopeppeppy | I've gotten tons of mileage out of sRaidFrames and Pitbull raid frames and PerfectRaid |
| 17:16.51 | Pneumatus | i like the blizzard unit frames in general, just not the raid frames |
| 17:16.58 | Pneumatus | so i don't use a complete UF replacement |
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| 17:17.57 | kdtresh | are there any addons that just add the 3d portraits and exp bar to the default frames? |
| 17:18.26 | Lopeppeppy | Probably. |
| 17:18.41 | Ancu | I am currently useing xPearl |
| 17:18.58 | Pneumatus | exp bar? |
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| 17:19.08 | Pneumatus | never had anyone ask about 3d portraits for simpleunitframes either |
| 17:19.49 | kdtresh | perl classic puts an exp bar that also shows rested exp right under the mana bar in the player unit frame |
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| 17:21.53 | Ancu | is there a better addon then dominos in you alls opinion for moving bars around? |
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| 17:22.25 | Lopeppeppy | Bunch of local college students had NO idea that sharing cups would spread the flu!! http://wnyt.com/article/stories/s1189158.shtml?cat=10114 Beer pong for the lose. |
| 17:23.30 | Lunessa | kdtresh: ADAPT does the animated portraits things for the default unit frames. |
| 17:23.36 | Fisker | 2 girls had no idea that sharing cups would spread the flu |
| 17:23.42 | Fisker | or should i say cup? |
| 17:24.41 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, Lunessa scores. I couldn't remember for the life of me. |
| 17:24.44 | Lopeppeppy | I have no memory today. |
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| 17:25.54 | kdtresh | what's with today, today? |
| 17:26.01 | Ancu | lets not talk about 2girls1cup |
| 17:26.18 | mikma | what about 2 men 1 horse |
| 17:26.33 | Ancu | 0_o I dont want to know |
| 17:26.55 | Ancu | I havent heard about that one, but the title makes my eyes want to bleed |
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| 17:27.42 | Lopeppeppy | I think there's probably a whole other IRC channel for those things, ya. |
| 17:28.21 | Ancu | fisker brought it up: (13:23:36) Fisker: 2 girls had no idea that sharing cups would spread the flu |
| 17:28.21 | Ancu | (13:23:42) Fisker: or should i say cup? |
| 17:28.59 | kdtresh | everyone else managed to ingore it >< |
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| 17:30.05 | Ancu | There should be an addon that combines all those stupid map addon buttons into one that you click on and get a drop down box |
| 17:30.09 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker is far from a model of proper IRC behavior. |
| 17:30.38 | Lopeppeppy | Ancu, there are plenty of those. |
| 17:30.38 | Ancu | I cant stand addon buttons, and dont want fubar |
| 17:30.39 | Lopeppeppy | www.vranx.com -- go browse his toys. |
| 17:30.58 | durcyn | vranx as in... yooden? |
| 17:31.11 | Fisker | i am the president of proper irc behaviour |
| 17:31.41 | Lopeppeppy | durcyn, wasn't it vooden? |
| 17:31.47 | tem | ~serveralert |
| 17:31.52 | durcyn | ~google yooden vranx |
| 17:31.56 | tem | !serveralert |
| 17:32.02 | durcyn | ~wowalert |
| 17:32.02 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 17:32.27 | durcyn | Lopeppeppy: it's been years, google indicates Yooden |
| 17:32.47 | Lopeppeppy | Google cannot be wrong. |
| 17:33.18 | Ancu | no absolute statment is acurate |
| 17:33.45 | Ancu | s/acurate/acurate 100% of the time/ |
| 17:34.29 | foxlit | It would seem that some absolute statements are accurate 100% of the time, then. |
| 17:34.57 | Ancu | but then my absolute statment would not be acurate |
| 17:34.59 | Lopeppeppy | black is sometimes white. |
| 17:35.04 | Ancu | lol |
| 17:35.41 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker and Peppy -- One of us lies, and one of us tells the truth. Figure out which one. |
| 17:35.46 | Bruners | anyone with a HoN beta key they can give away ? |
| 17:36.03 | foxlit | Lopeppeppy: "And one of us stabs people who ask tricky questions" |
| 17:36.41 | Dagmar | Bruners: Not sur eyou wanna go there. |
| 17:36.45 | Dagmar | You likey Pokemon? |
| 17:36.52 | Lopeppeppy | Ooh, see? That's a third dimension to the Peppy/Fisker relationship. No telling which of us does that, or how often! |
| 17:37.19 | Ancu | lol |
| 17:37.55 | AckisWork | test |
| 17:38.31 | Lopeppeppy | runs away from AckisWork |
| 17:38.33 | Bruners | Dagmar: why wouldnt i ? |
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| 17:40.31 | Dagmar | Bruners: Withering balance issues, the whole first part of the match basically requires you run around buying stuff, and whoeevr doesn't is going to be getting 2-hit a lot, and at that point the match is pretty much over. You ain't catchin' up |
| 17:40.55 | Dagmar | It's _pretty_ but absolutely infuriating and unfun gameplay right now |
| 17:40.58 | Bruners | Dagmar: that is kinda the point with beta |
| 17:41.16 | Dagmar | Hey, just remember I warned you |
| 17:42.31 | Ancu | buttonhole isnt on curse q.q |
| 17:42.46 | Bruners | Dagmar: cant do much damage to me without a key :P |
| 17:43.12 | Lopeppeppy | Ancu, get over your fear and go check out some other addon sites. |
| 17:43.44 | Ancu | I use wow interface when I have too, but I like curse better, thats all |
| 17:44.04 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: to answer your earlier question about lying and telling the truth, it's a very smart statement you did there. |
| 17:44.05 | Lopeppeppy | If you already know about it, stop qqing about having to know about it. Jeez. |
| 17:44.22 | Legorol | Based on your statement, it's impossible to establish your nature, but it's possible to say that Fisker lies for sure. |
| 17:44.39 | Lopeppeppy | I was a bit more vague than the normal statement, that's true, Legorol. |
| 17:44.50 | Ancu | _ALMOST_ all my addons are on curse, so I prefer to use that. That is all |
| 17:44.52 | Legorol | you weren't vague, you were extremely precise |
| 17:45.06 | Legorol | formal logic dictates though that your nature is unclear, but Fisker lies |
| 17:45.23 | Ancu | Yes, we all know fisker lies, I have only been on this for a few days and know that |
| 17:45.40 | Ackis | Fisker lies in bed with me |
| 17:45.57 | Bruners | Fisker is swedish |
| 17:46.00 | Lopeppeppy | I would too. |
| 17:46.03 | Lopeppeppy | *zing* |
| 17:46.07 | Legorol | Either your statement is true, in which case Fisker is the one who lies, so he lies. Or your statement isn't true, in which case you both lie or both tell the truth. However, you just lied, so you can't be both telling the truth. Hence again we conclude that Fisker lies. |
| 17:46.07 | Fisker | 0/10 Bruners |
| 17:46.22 | Fisker | how did i lie all of the sudden? :( |
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| 17:47.21 | Bruners | Fisker: dont you have a HoN to give me ? |
| 17:47.34 | Ackis | Bruners: you need an invite? |
| 17:47.37 | Fisker | 1 hour Bruners |
| 17:47.46 | Dagmar | Far as I know the only people who get beta keys to give others are people who've decided they like it enough to pre-order |
| 17:48.07 | Shirik | Legorol, your logic is flawed |
| 17:48.16 | Fisker | your mom was flawed :( |
| 17:48.25 | Shirik | You assume that the statement she gave you is true |
| 17:48.25 | Ackis | I have 7 invites for HoN |
| 17:48.31 | Bruners | Ackis: i dont know how it works, if you get a key or have to be sent an invite via mail |
| 17:48.31 | Legorol | Shirik: i don't |
| 17:48.44 | Shirik | (13:35:02) (+Lopeppeppy) Fisker and Peppy -- One of us lies, and one of us tells the truth. Figure out which one. |
| 17:48.45 | Legorol | Shirik: however, i did assume that formal logic applies and that statements are either true or false |
| 17:48.49 | Ackis | Bruners: PM me your e-mail |
| 17:48.51 | Shirik | right? |
| 17:48.55 | Legorol | right |
| 17:48.56 | kdtresh | there were no qualifications that one or the other ALWAYS lies or ALWAYS tells the truth |
| 17:48.59 | Ackis | Dagmar: PM me your e-mail if you want HoN invite |
| 17:48.59 | Shirik | So if Lopeppeppy is the one that lies |
| 17:49.00 | Legorol | but if Peppy is lying, her statement isn't true |
| 17:49.10 | Dagmar | Shirik: Easy. Fisker lies. |
| 17:49.11 | Shirik | hm |
| 17:49.12 | Legorol | if her statement isn't true, then either both lie, or both tell the truth |
| 17:49.13 | Dagmar | Ackis: Already got ont |
| 17:49.14 | Dagmar | er one. |
| 17:49.18 | Shirik | well I guess that depends on how you define "lying" |
| 17:49.22 | Shirik | I took it as more of an implication |
| 17:49.26 | Dagmar | I'm going to hopefulyl be able to test the Linux binary two nights from now |
| 17:49.31 | kdtresh | it's not an iff |
| 17:49.34 | Dagmar | Beyond that, the game makes me hate people |
| 17:49.43 | Legorol | Shirik: in puzzles of this type, "lying" means saying statements that are false. |
| 17:49.44 | Shirik | If a->b then a == f mean that b can be either t or f |
| 17:49.55 | Shirik | ok |
| 17:50.15 | Shirik | ok then the only way for a->b to be false would be for a ^ ~b |
| 17:50.17 | Legorol | i'm afraid gotta go, formal logic discussion for next time |
| 17:50.27 | Legorol | it wasn't an implication though shirik |
| 17:50.34 | Legorol | it was a statement of the form: "A and B" |
| 17:50.52 | Legorol | but, i really got to go |
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| 17:51.28 | Ancu | I have to go now too, got to get ready to go say "Welcome to walmart" 30 million times |
| 17:53.55 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
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| 17:59.10 | DWSR | What TZ is Zorba in? |
| 17:59.22 | DWSR | anyone know? |
| 17:59.54 | Dagmar | CTCP TIME him |
| 18:00.08 | NightHawkTheSane | somehwere between utc-12 and utc+12? |
| 18:00.29 | Shirik | Isn't it possible to be UTC-13? |
| 18:00.31 | DWSR | Dagmar: No response. |
| 18:00.36 | DWSR | Shirik: Yes. |
| 18:00.38 | NightHawkTheSane | shrug possibly |
| 18:00.41 | Dagmar | ùíù CTCP TIME reply from ZorbaTHut: Tue Oct 13 11:00:39 |
| 18:00.43 | Dagmar | You fail |
| 18:00.50 | Shirik | well |
| 18:00.51 | Dagmar | Looks like they're in PST |
| 18:00.55 | DWSR | wtf? |
| 18:00.56 | NightHawkTheSane | but before noon i dont fact check my sarcastic remarks |
| 18:01.00 | DWSR | Why is he going to bed? |
| 18:01.04 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane :P |
| 18:01.11 | Shirik | DWSR: Perhaps for the same reason I just woke up |
| 18:01.12 | Dagmar | Maybe he works nights |
| 18:01.19 | Shirik | I went to sleep at about 9 AM last night |
| 18:01.24 | Shirik | er |
| 18:01.26 | Shirik | this morning |
| 18:01.36 | NightHawkTheSane | you're crazy, though |
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| 18:02.10 | Lopeppeppy | Hi hi alestane |
| 18:02.21 | Shirik | and Lopeppeppy never even said hi to me |
| 18:02.29 | Fisker | i slapped you Shirik |
| 18:02.46 | Shirik | afk now bye |
| 18:02.46 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe I lies? |
| 18:02.46 | Lopeppeppy | Bye! |
| 18:03.29 | alestane | Boiled dinner simmered overnight. The house smells muchly of cabbage now. |
| 18:04.10 | Iriel | alestane: is that a good, or a bad thing? |
| 18:04.32 | Lopeppeppy | ... better for St. Patrick's Day than now, but it is at least a warm smell. |
| 18:04.48 | Iriel | I can generally only enjoy cabbage for a small period of time before it becomes unpleasant |
| 18:04.50 | alestane | It's a good thing that the dinner simmered. The cabbage smell is a little intense, and some of it is presently being ameliorated out the windows. |
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| 18:07.45 | Lopeppeppy | I usually add the cabbage in right at the end, let the potatoes and carrots do most of the simmering. |
| 18:08.19 | alestane | We were endeavoring to do this in the slow cooker, which is intended to be a minimal-intervention facility. |
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| 18:09.08 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, yes, crock pots of wonder. |
| 18:09.29 | NightHawkTheSane | i need to buy a new crock pot :( |
| 18:10.12 | DWSR | everyone needs to love Foobar. |
| 18:10.15 | DWSR | Because it is an awesome player. |
| 18:10.31 | NightHawkTheSane | that reminds me, i need to check out doubletwist |
| 18:11.05 | DWSR | foobar is the best player on w7 for 1 small reason. |
| 18:11.18 | DWSR | Progress bar for the taskbar icon. Not even WMP does that. |
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| 18:11.36 | Iriel | http://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/sku8260341/?pkey=celtsloslo |
| 18:12.30 | NightHawkTheSane | now, THATS a slow cooker |
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| 18:12.34 | DWSR | Iriel: W-S is horribly overpriced. |
| 18:13.09 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, that assumes you care if there is a progress bar displayed on the taskbar icon |
| 18:13.18 | Iriel | DWSR: I work for them so i'll withhold comment 8-) |
| 18:13.18 | DWSR | T_C: No it doesn't. |
| 18:13.24 | DWSR | Iriel: :P |
| 18:14.00 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, yes, because you said it was the best for that reason. |
| 18:14.03 | DWSR | T_C: It doesn't assume that. The awesomeness of said feature is so overpowering that you wil immediately love Foobar on W7 for that reason, regardless of whether or not you love it for other reasons. :P |
| 18:14.23 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, see above |
| 18:14.28 | DWSR | Thunder_Child: See above. |
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| 18:14.33 | Fisker | i have hurt Thunder_Child |
| 18:14.33 | Shirik | Iriel, that's a really nice crock pot :P |
| 18:14.38 | Fisker | @ping |
| 18:14.49 | Shirik | that being said, I am way too lazy to do that |
| 18:15.02 | Lunessa | Foobar? WTF? |
| 18:15.03 | Repo | pong |
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| 18:15.58 | Iriel | Shirik: They used to have another slightly less excessive one, with a ceramic insert. Not sure if we just dont carry it anymore or if it's out of stock. |
| 18:17.07 | Lunessa | That slow cooker looks verra nice, but I am not generally in the habit of spending $300 on something I wouldn't use constantly. |
| 18:17.16 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 18:17.21 | Iriel | But the ceramic one's the one we have at home, I can vouch for it's awesome crockpotness (it was also a wedding gift) |
| 18:17.56 | Iriel | I do feel that having one with a removable insert that'll double as a presentable serving pot is useful. |
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| 18:18.23 | Iriel | For preparing, serving, and probably most importantly, cleaning |
| 18:19.09 | Shirik | I do |
| 18:19.13 | Shirik | if I would use a slow cooker |
| 18:19.15 | Shirik | which I really don't |
| 18:20.18 | Lunessa | Iriel: I have one I bought for like $30 that I use occasionally. I use it to make chili which requires 2-3 days of cooking to achieve perfection. |
| 18:20.28 | Shirik | wtf |
| 18:21.16 | Iriel | 2-3 days is dedication |
| 18:22.06 | Shirik | 2-3 days is insanity |
| 18:22.16 | NightHawkTheSane | 2-3 days is probably damn good chili |
| 18:22.37 | Iriel | How do you stop yourself from eating it on day 2 tho |
| 18:22.40 | Iriel | that's the question |
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| 18:22.46 | Shirik | ^ |
| 18:22.55 | DWSR | Iriel: Hermetically sealing the crock pot? |
| 18:23.01 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:23.13 | DWSR | No smell, no autonomic response. |
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| 18:26.48 | Lunessa | Iriel: I make 3 quarts at a time. I can cheat along the way. :) |
| 18:27.01 | Iriel | Ahh that makes sense |
| 18:27.51 | Lunessa | The secret to really good chili is cumin |
| 18:28.40 | DWSR | Lunessa: That word doesn't translate well into IRC. :P |
| 18:29.09 | Lunessa | DWSR: I suppose not. I'll use the Spanish word then, cumino |
| 18:29.16 | NightHawkTheSane | ... |
| 18:29.17 | Iriel | DWSR: it does if you're an adult 8-) |
| 18:29.20 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart Lunessa |
| 18:29.20 | purl | teaches Lunessa the basics, including how to RTM |
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| 18:29.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Iriel: psh, like anyone here's an adult. ;) |
| 18:29.38 | DWSR | Iriel: You're on the internet. |
| 18:29.45 | DWSR | Iriel: everyone is 14/f/cali. |
| 18:29.49 | Lunessa | ~irc |
| 18:29.50 | purl | i guess irc is a protocol, aka "Internet Relay Chat". It consisists of IRC servers, and clients. The clients send messages to the servers, which in turn relay the messages to other clients as it sees fit (via a private message, open channel,RAW commands to the server directly). |
| 18:30.06 | Lunessa | Bah, not the factoid I was looking for. |
| 18:30.38 | Lunessa | This channel needs more vodka tonics. |
| 18:30.47 | mikma | shirik: http://www.geekologie.com/2009/10/kill_it_with_fire_a_robotic_ta.php |
| 18:31.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i can get behind taht |
| 18:32.06 | DWSR | BURN IT WITH FIRE. |
| 18:32.39 | Lopeppeppy | Cumin and chocolate, lunessa... |
| 18:32.53 | Iriel | All this food talk made me hungry, i'm off to make some scrambled eggs and bacon (late breakfast) |
| 18:33.26 | Lopeppeppy | BACON! |
| 18:33.30 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Sounds like a good time. |
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| 18:33.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Iriel: so jealous. :( |
| 18:33.49 | NightHawkTheSane | i forgot breakfast this morning, i'm so hungry |
| 18:33.54 | NightHawkTheSane | also, man i sound like Lunessa |
| 18:33.59 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 18:34.06 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: I generally don't add chocolate to chili. I like to marinate the beef in either beer or red wine and spices then slow cook the beans and chilies/veggies in the broth and cook the whole thing really slow for 2-3 days. |
| 18:34.39 | Lunessa | Lunessa doesn't eat nearly as often or as regularly as he should. |
| 18:35.09 | NightHawkTheSane | one meal a day is plenty, right? |
| 18:35.46 | DWSR | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/10/move_those_buns_getting_people.php <-- I want. |
| 18:36.01 | Lunessa | NHTS: Yeah, that's me too. |
| 18:36.18 | Lopeppeppy | I find that a little bit of chocolate or sugar takes out some of the bite of the tomato sauce, gives a smoother taste with less of the tomato acid. |
| 18:37.06 | DWSR | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/08/ninja_turtles_offering_relatio.php <- And done. |
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| 18:37.12 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, thats also kinda sexist for no reason |
| 18:37.19 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i do the same with making pasta sauce |
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| 18:40.05 | NightHawkTheSane | http://periodictableofsciencefiction.blogspot.com/ |
| 18:40.19 | Lunessa | *chuckle* An @ Iriel thread for a 3.3 changes thread. |
| 18:41.30 | nevcairiel | meh, speaking of 3.3, i'm still looking for a http mirror of the enGB patch, the download just breaks on wine for me :P |
| 18:41.31 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, Iriel!! |
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| 18:45.59 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel, for the ptr? |
| 18:46.09 | Shirik | ~B n A -> ~(A->B) |
| 18:46.10 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 18:46.11 | Shirik | true or false? |
| 18:46.14 | Shirik | I think that's a true statement |
| 18:46.17 | Shirik | but I can't prove it to myself |
| 18:46.52 | Lopeppeppy | re-hello, Shirik |
| 18:46.56 | nevcairiel | just do a bool table to check? |
| 18:47.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: my formal logic is a touch rusty, what is 'n'? |
| 18:47.49 | Cide | n means what? |
| 18:47.53 | Shirik | and |
| 18:47.54 | DWSR | Shirik: that supposed to be B in A? |
| 18:47.56 | DWSR | oh. |
| 18:47.59 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel, the torrent as http or what? |
| 18:48.06 | DWSR | false, I think. |
| 18:48.09 | nevcairiel | Thunder_Child: no, the full thing :P |
| 18:48.15 | Shirik | proof |
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| 18:48.17 | Cide | so !B && A -> !(A -> B)? |
| 18:48.28 | Shirik | yes |
| 18:48.53 | NightHawkTheSane | i believe the entire statement will always be true, yes |
| 18:49.04 | DWSR | ! is no? |
| 18:49.07 | DWSR | not* |
| 18:49.08 | Shirik | ~B n A -> ~((A n B) u ~A); ~B n A -> ~(A n B) n A; ~B n A -> (~A u ~B) n A; ~B n A -> ~B n A |
| 18:49.12 | Shirik | I think that's a valid proof ya? |
| 18:49.27 | Shirik | (~A u ~B) n A can be simplified to ~B n A because ~A and A cannot be true |
| 18:49.39 | Shirik | That was the step I was missing |
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| 18:51.43 | Cide | (A -> B) is logically equivalent to !(A && !B) |
| 18:52.16 | Shirik | proof? |
| 18:52.17 | Cide | I think... |
| 18:52.20 | Shirik | You can't just say these things :P |
| 18:52.35 | Shirik | The only law I'm aware of states that A->B is equivalent to (A n B) u ~A |
| 18:52.39 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel, http://deathcoil.net/WoW-0.3.0.10522-enGB-ptr-patch.exe ? |
| 18:53.02 | Cide | yep, I'll be quiet |
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| 18:53.11 | DWSR | someone wanna explain wtf you guys are talking about? |
| 18:53.17 | Cide | formal logic |
| 18:53.18 | NightHawkTheSane | formal logic |
| 18:53.23 | Iriel | Lunessa: heh, I need to test something then i'll start it 8-) |
| 18:53.35 | DWSR | what is ~, !, n, u, etc. |
| 18:53.35 | Shirik | Here's what this spawned from |
| 18:53.37 | nevcairiel | A -> B == ~A u B |
| 18:53.38 | Lunessa | Yay Iriei! |
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| 18:54.01 | DWSR | I'm going with the assumption that ! is not, n is and, and...that's all I got so far. |
| 18:54.04 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: ~ and ! are 'not', 'n' is and, 'u' is or |
| 18:54.08 | Iriel | And for those who care, it ended up being Scrambled Eggs, Bacon AND Mushrooms |
| 18:54.16 | DWSR | ~ and ! are not? =\ wtf |
| 18:54.17 | purl | ACTION && ! are not? =\ wtf = ??? |
| 18:54.27 | Shirik | Someone said on an applicant's application "He is from <some old guild>, so he must be good" and then I responded with "Well, so were you, so your statement must be false" then he asked for a proof |
| 18:54.28 | DWSR | O_O |
| 18:54.34 | nevcairiel | shirik: ^ i just checked my old formula thing :p |
| 18:54.58 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: in formal logic, ~ is typically used as not, but most programmers think in terms of ! being not. in casual conversaion its fine :P |
| 18:55.13 | Shirik | n and u are technically wrong |
| 18:55.17 | Shirik | but it's the closest thing we have |
| 18:55.20 | Cide | v ^ |
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| 18:55.27 | Shirik | that works too |
| 18:55.28 | Cide | assuming we're not dealing with xor |
| 18:55.28 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i assume you mean intersection & union? |
| 18:55.31 | Shirik | but it's supposed to be curvey |
| 18:55.32 | DWSR | NHTS: Thanks. :) |
| 18:55.45 | DWSR | Wait, are A and B matrices? |
| 18:55.49 | Shirik | no |
| 18:55.49 | DWSR | matrices/tables? |
| 18:55.51 | Shirik | just propositions |
| 18:55.52 | Cide | isn't it only curvey with intersection and unions? |
| 18:55.54 | DWSR | Ah, k |
| 18:55.59 | Cide | I've seen it drawn as pointy |
| 18:56.07 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel, yes/no? |
| 18:56.08 | NightHawkTheSane | shrugs |
| 18:56.24 | DWSR | NHTS: What's ->? |
| 18:56.26 | Lunessa | Iriel: Did you saute those shrooms? |
| 18:56.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: i just assumed that shirik was intendeing to represeng the curvy intersection/union symbols. |
| 18:56.31 | Cide | DWSR: dude, wikipedia it |
| 18:56.32 | Shirik | DWSR: Implies |
| 18:56.33 | Cide | or google it |
| 18:56.36 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: implication, or if, then |
| 18:56.45 | DWSR | Cide: Eat me. |
| 18:56.46 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: so A -> B is "If A then B" or "A implies B" |
| 18:56.53 | DWSR | NHTS: Ah, thanks. |
| 18:56.58 | NightHawkTheSane | also, what cide said. |
| 18:57.08 | Iriel | Lunessa: yes, with some butter, salt, a little pepper (and a bit of water, since I didn't want to drown them in butter, delicious as that is) |
| 18:57.10 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm procrastinating doing work, which is the only reason i'm being so kind :P |
| 18:57.15 | Shirik | DWSR: The truth table on implication is a bit confusing at first, but it's important :P |
| 18:57.17 | DWSR | NHTS: Figured. :P |
| 18:57.36 | Cide | (A -> B) == (A && B) || !A == !!((A && B) || !A) == !((!A || !B) && A) == !(A && !B) == (!A || B) gives !(A -> B) == A && !B which was what you sought |
| 18:57.41 | nevcairiel | ~B n A -> ~(A->B) ==> ~B n A -> ~(~A u B) ==> ~B n A -> A n B ==> ~(~B n A) u (A n B) ==> (B u A) u (A n B) |
| 18:57.42 | Cide | I believe that was more or less your proof as well |
| 18:57.45 | Iriel | (Ok, truth is I didn't have enough butter) |
| 18:57.47 | Lunessa | Damn, that sounds good. If I'm trying to reduce the fat value, I use a little olive oil instead. |
| 18:57.50 | nevcairiel | Shirik: ^ |
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| 18:58.06 | Iriel | I'll have to try that, I use olive oil when grilling the big ones |
| 18:58.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: i dunno, i never found it THAT confusing, as long as you remember that a false preposition can truthfully imply anything :P |
| 18:58.10 | nevcairiel | Shirik: anyway its always true |
| 18:58.14 | Shirik | yay |
| 18:58.16 | Cide | except when it's not |
| 18:58.17 | Shirik | Needed it for application |
| 18:58.23 | Shirik | someone asked me to prove him wrong :P |
| 18:58.38 | Cide | well do you need it for programming or for a formal proof? |
| 18:58.44 | Shirik | no |
| 18:58.49 | nevcairiel | I hate working with ->, it makes my head hurt sometimes |
| 18:58.51 | Shirik | just a guild application |
| 18:58.54 | NightHawkTheSane | he needs it to prove someone wrong on the internets, Cide |
| 18:59.01 | Cide | if the former, you have 4 sets of truth values to plug in to verify it :) |
| 18:59.01 | DWSR | Cide: !!(A && B) || A) shouldn't that be !(!(A..etc |
| 18:59.03 | DWSR | ? |
| 18:59.07 | Lopeppeppy | That much work for a guild application? |
| 18:59.08 | Cide | they are the same |
| 18:59.12 | Dagmar | A false premise can't prove anything to be true |
| 18:59.14 | DWSR | Because you're saying not not, double negative isn't really very useful. |
| 18:59.21 | Lunessa | It's Shirik we're talking about here. |
| 18:59.24 | Shirik | Someone said "hes from enigma and lancea sanctum. he has to be good." |
| 18:59.25 | Cide | it is when you use it for something |
| 18:59.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: yeah, i just did a basic truth table in my head to figure it out in the first place :P |
| 18:59.28 | Shirik | I responded with "So were you... ~B n A -> ~(A->B). QED." |
| 18:59.32 | Cide | (T, T), (T, F), (F, T), (F, F) |
| 18:59.33 | Shirik | Then they demanded a proof |
| 18:59.37 | Iriel | Double negatives don't not rule the world. |
| 18:59.44 | Cide | what he said |
| 19:00.00 | DWSR | ..vulcans. |
| 19:00.03 | DWSR | :D |
| 19:00.04 | Lopeppeppy | Romulans |
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| 19:00.24 | DWSR | lol |
| 19:00.26 | DWSR | A bot, zomg. |
| 19:00.30 | DWSR | We need more of those 8-) |
| 19:01.15 | DWSR | anyway shirik, just tell him that you're the one that makes the demands and send him on his merry way? |
| 19:01.22 | DWSR | No proof required. |
| 19:01.59 | nevcairiel | Thunder_Child: that link seems to work, thanks |
| 19:02.31 | mikma | that's fucking awesome, force people to convert to bnet, then bnet lags the fuck out |
| 19:02.34 | Shirik | DWSR: Occasionally a double negative is important |
| 19:02.37 | Shirik | for example |
| 19:02.41 | Cide | as in my application :) |
| 19:02.46 | Thunder_Child | nevcairiel, ^_^ |
| 19:02.51 | Cide | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.52 | DWSR | mikma: :) |
| 19:02.54 | Shirik | !!(A n B) allows you to convert it into !(!A u !B) |
| 19:03.06 | nevcairiel | but why Shirik :P |
| 19:03.17 | Shirik | ? |
| 19:03.27 | mikma | shirik: you are noob. |
| 19:03.56 | DWSR | Shirik: I guess I'm thinking of double negative in the english sense and not in the purely logical sense. |
| 19:04.12 | DWSR | Shirik: You can treat all of those symbols as constants and just distribute them? |
| 19:04.13 | Shirik | They are in fact equivalent, you are right, you can eliminate a !! |
| 19:04.19 | DWSR | Oh god damn it. |
| 19:04.20 | Shirik | But you don't always want to |
| 19:04.21 | nevcairiel | we're talking logic, not english language! |
| 19:04.21 | Fisker | soup Shirik |
| 19:04.33 | Shirik | I wouldn't say "distribute" |
| 19:04.38 | Shirik | because there are other things that change |
| 19:04.43 | DWSR | Shirik: Fair enough |
| 19:04.45 | Shirik | !(A n B) == !A u !B |
| 19:04.49 | Shirik | the operator has changed |
| 19:05.50 | Shirik | it's known as DeMorgan's Law |
| 19:05.50 | NightHawkTheSane | YOUR operator has changed |
| 19:05.50 | Cide | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Morgan's_laws |
| 19:05.50 | Cide | bah, you win :/ |
| 19:05.50 | nevcairiel | that was all like first semester in university, man its been a long time :P |
| 19:05.50 | Iriel | Shirik: DeMorgan's Law, or why NAND is all you ever need |
| 19:05.50 | Shirik | <3s NAND gates |
| 19:06.10 | nevcairiel | I wonder why everyone prefers NAND, NOR is shorter! |
| 19:06.21 | Shirik | NAND is very easy to implement and fast |
| 19:06.45 | Shirik | it is the simplest two-input digital logic gate |
| 19:06.58 | _rane | any clue what might be wrong when MSBT just randomly stops triggering on events? reload UI does not help |
| 19:07.05 | Shirik | The only simpler gate is the NOT gate and that's just half of a NAND gate :P |
| 19:07.13 | Shirik | a NOT gate really is just a one-input NAND gate |
| 19:07.25 | nevcairiel | _rane: probably the good old async bug, relog works |
| 19:07.37 | nevcairiel | _rane: its not MSBTs fault, its WoW breaking |
| 19:07.46 | DWSR | Shirik: NAND = not and? |
| 19:07.52 | Shirik | right |
| 19:07.56 | Fisker | naw DWSR |
| 19:07.58 | Fisker | it's NAW AND |
| 19:08.00 | DWSR | lol, actually starting to follow you. |
| 19:08.03 | DWSR | ~lart Fisker |
| 19:08.03 | purl | slaps Fisker around with a large trout |
| 19:08.06 | DWSR | ~Fisker++ |
| 19:08.19 | Fisker | fu |
| 19:08.22 | Fisker | ~karma Fisker |
| 19:08.22 | purl | fisker has karma of -5 |
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| 19:08.31 | nevcairiel | Thats part of the rules, you only need a NOT and an AND or OR and you can build everything you want |
| 19:08.39 | nevcairiel | so people use NANDs, which are NOT and AND combined |
| 19:09.09 | Fisker | i'm gonna make NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNAND's |
| 19:09.09 | Shirik | here's a fun one though |
| 19:09.09 | Shirik | Consider the following |
| 19:09.16 | Shirik | NAND(A, B, C, D) vs NAND(NAND(A, B), NAND(C, D)) |
| 19:09.18 | Shirik | which is faster? :) |
| 19:09.26 | Fisker | the first one |
| 19:09.27 | Cide | the latter! |
| 19:09.32 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom |
| 19:09.35 | Shirik | it is in fact the latter |
| 19:09.38 | DWSR | latter |
| 19:09.40 | Fisker | if i'm right it's because i'm a genius |
| 19:09.46 | Fisker | if not it's because it was an unlucky guess |
| 19:10.01 | DWSR | Shirik: In the first one you have to do 4 comparisons? |
| 19:10.11 | Shirik | The problem has to do simply with how transistors work |
| 19:10.17 | Lunessa | *sigh* merged my second account into battle.net. Now to add my authentocator |
| 19:10.21 | Shirik | it's actually the exact same problem I was discussing with nevcairiel yesterday |
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| 19:10.38 | Shirik | in order to build NAND(A, B, C, D) at the same speed, you need an exponentially increasing number of transistors for the cascade |
| 19:10.38 | nevcairiel | i forgot, what was it about? |
| 19:10.42 | nevcairiel | oh right, the SRAM thing |
| 19:10.48 | Shirik | to offset the RC problem |
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| 19:11.28 | Shirik | so you have 1+2+4 for the first vs 1+1+2 for the second |
| 19:11.33 | Shirik | for equivalent speed |
| 19:11.44 | Shirik | though most people just cheap out and go with 1+1+1 and sacrifice speed on the latter |
| 19:11.54 | Shirik | er, sorry, double all those numbers |
| 19:11.59 | Shirik | 2+4+8 and 2+2+4/2+2+2 |
| 19:12.05 | Cide | that's over... over 9000 |
| 19:12.12 | Cide | for large values of 2, 4, and 8 |
| 19:12.12 | Shirik | no, no it is not |
| 19:12.16 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:12.22 | Jelly_ | kek |
| 19:12.22 | Lunessa | And done. That was easy. |
| 19:12.37 | |Jelly| | hugs Shirik. |
| 19:12.47 | Shirik | (2 > 2) -> (2+4+8 > 9000)? |
| 19:12.49 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Jelly-doom. |
| 19:12.51 | Shirik | true statement |
| 19:12.55 | Cide | yep |
| 19:12.56 | |Jelly| | Hey Peppy! |
| 19:12.59 | |Jelly| | tackles Peppy. |
| 19:13.00 | Shirik | hi |Jelly| |
| 19:13.16 | |Jelly| | Hey Shirik :) |
| 19:13.33 | |Jelly| | Man ... lots of Jelly love today. Where's TC to come tear it all down? :P |
| 19:14.02 | Thunder_Child | i hate you |Jelly|, you suck |
| 19:14.52 | |Jelly| | Awww. That's so sweet. |
| 19:15.02 | Thunder_Child | i try |
| 19:16.11 | zenzelezz | eep... 19 year old female soldier killed when an APC somehow backed up on her... |
| 19:17.01 | NightHawkTheSane | >< |
| 19:17.26 | |Jelly| | . . . was she sleeping under it, by chance? |
| 19:17.43 | Lopeppeppy | They aren't exactly equipped with great rear view mirrors and backup beepers |
| 19:17.59 | zenzelezz | |Jelly|: it's being investigate by the police now |
| 19:18.19 | zenzelezz | the engineering troops were practicing crossing rivers or something |
| 19:20.04 | DWSR | zenzelezz: US army: Smart bombs fired by dumbasses. |
| 19:20.38 | zenzelezz | this was the Norwegian army |
| 19:21.21 | |Jelly| | BAI SEERAH! |
| 19:23.07 | NightHawkTheSane | ugh. "i wont take the time to figure out how the css works, so i'll just hack it and dynamically apply a class based on an arbitrary value like the number of items displayed in a page" |
| 19:23.11 | NightHawkTheSane | cries a little |
| 19:23.21 | DWSR | NHTS: ? |
| 19:23.46 | NightHawkTheSane | the other dev on the project i'm working on is.. not very good at actually writing sane code. |
| 19:23.55 | DWSR | ah |
| 19:27.18 | DWSR | NHTS: Well, I'm going to start helping Zorba hack at QH. |
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| 19:27.39 | DWSR | Which is goign to be a crash course in insanity + how not to code WoW addons, I think. :P |
| 19:29.32 | zenzelezz | in regards to... less than desirable military events: http://www.vg.no/bil-og-motor/artikkel.php?artid=103064 (back in March 2005, a couple driving along a narrow road encountered a Leopard tank on a military exercise. The Mercedes pulled over to let them pass, but the driver of the tank somehow didn't notice it and almost crushed the driver of the car) |
| 19:30.30 | Lopeppeppy | Sexy. |
| 19:30.32 | NightHawkTheSane | as long as you try to actually figure out how something works, and try to write clean solutions, it's fine. The "I dont care how it works, i'll just write a quick hack that takes the shortest path from here to done" attitude really grates my nerves |
| 19:30.41 | Lopeppeppy | I like that we keep tipping over our missle carriers due to freak accidents. |
| 19:31.54 | NightHawkTheSane | also, relative uris for images faaaaaiiiil |
| 19:33.00 | zenzelezz | no wai, it's not like server setups ever change! ;-p |
| 19:33.26 | Shirik | relative URIs are bad? |
| 19:33.35 | zenzelezz | depends how relative |
| 19:33.50 | NightHawkTheSane | when a pages uri is not a fixed thing, very bad |
| 19:33.50 | zenzelezz | we couldn't figure out why we couldn't connect to a customer's server this morning at work to do some changes for him. The customer had changed server host |
| 19:33.52 | Shirik | I was thinking like <a href="/foo.html"> |
| 19:34.02 | DWSR | Shirik: Depends on the context. |
| 19:34.07 | DWSR | Shirik: Sometimes relative URIS are good. |
| 19:34.11 | Shirik | yeah |
| 19:34.15 | Iriel | I dont think you can argue relative URL's are good OR bad |
| 19:34.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: like <img src="images/foo.png"/>, except the URI for the page it was on is not fixed |
| 19:34.26 | Iriel | they're an appropriate tool for some problems, and not for others |
| 19:34.36 | Shirik | ok well that's just stupid NightHawkTheSane |
| 19:34.36 | Iriel | INCORRECT relative URL's are bad |
| 19:34.44 | Iriel | but then so are incorrect absolute URL's |
| 19:34.53 | Shirik | I don't think that's an argument against relative URIs |
| 19:35.03 | Iriel | We use almost exclusively absolute URL's in our apps, but for different reasons |
| 19:35.03 | NightHawkTheSane | true. although for images, almost all the time i prefer absolute uris |
| 19:35.15 | Iriel | (Largely compatibility with resources served from different CDN's) |
| 19:36.25 | zenzelezz | should your server setup (folder layout) change, it's easier to search and replace absolute URLs than relative ones |
| 19:36.29 | Iriel | And that means most of them are fully qualified as well (hostname + protocol) |
| 19:36.37 | zenzelezz | then again, changing layout isn't generally a good idea |
| 19:37.50 | Shirik | Iriel |
| 19:37.51 | Shirik | wtf was that |
| 19:38.12 | zenzelezz | ..? |
| 19:38.51 | Iriel | what was what? |
| 19:39.01 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/da5d65c4d8ea9f34622fcf7fd99fb253.png |
| 19:39.24 | Dagmar | Shirik: Whaaaa? |
| 19:39.29 | Iriel | No idea, it doesn't look that way on mine |
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| 19:39.41 | foxlit | "(hostname + protocol)"? |
| 19:39.42 | Iriel | Let me repeat it... |
| 19:39.44 | zenzelezz | looks fine here |
| 19:39.52 | Shirik | hang on |
| 19:39.55 | Shirik | letm e turn on debug logging |
| 19:39.57 | Dagmar | I see an inverse H over here |
| 19:40.02 | Iriel | And that means most of them are fully qualified as well (hostname + protocol) |
| 19:40.02 | Iriel | s |
| 19:40.04 | Iriel | There |
| 19:40.09 | Iriel | was an extra charactrer |
| 19:40.17 | Shirik | what extra character? |
| 19:40.21 | Iriel | not sure what it was, I guess i slipped and hit a control sequence |
| 19:40.25 | Dagmar | You put some funny not-normally-typable character in there the first time |
| 19:40.27 | Iriel | I dont know, it's invisible to me |
| 19:41.56 | Iriel | I'm not using my normal keyboard (it had a coffee incident) |
| 19:42.01 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:42.08 | Iriel | and i'm at an angle because i'm primarily working on another machine |
| 19:42.10 | Shirik | you know, if you gave up caffeine like Lopeppeppy and I, you wouldn't have that problem |
| 19:42.21 | Iriel | I should see if my other keyboard is recovered now, it should be. |
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| 19:42.32 | Iriel | I gave up soda, that was sacrifice enough |
| 19:42.41 | Iriel | (Plus coffee is far less tragic to a keyboard than coke) |
| 19:42.47 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 19:42.57 | zenzelezz | why would you give up caffeine? |
| 19:43.00 | Shirik | I think keyboards are designed for coffee to be spilled on them |
| 19:43.28 | Lunessa | If Iriel gives up coffee who will stay up late at night talking with me about Apollo 440 and social/technology issues when I can't sleep? |
| 19:43.45 | olafski | dang.. my wow login just went from "you have been disconnected from the server" to "your account information is invalid" :< |
| 19:43.55 | Iriel | Ok.. let's see.. |
| 19:44.04 | Iriel | Yay, I have my keyboard back! |
| 19:44.05 | Dagmar | Apollo 440? They made what, about 20 tracks and quit. |
| 19:44.10 | Dagmar | Not much to talk about there. |
| 19:44.10 | zenzelezz | I don't remember caffeine keeping me awake for years and years now... I think I became immune to the effect |
| 19:44.25 | Lunessa | Dagmar: They made a lot more.. you just have to know people. |
| 19:44.27 | Iriel | zenzelezz: the brain adjusts pretty quickly |
| 19:44.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: no, if he gave up coffee, he'd just have an incident with some other liquid |
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| 19:44.56 | Iriel | I'm as likely to have a spill accident with water as I am with coffee |
| 19:44.56 | Thunder_Child | whatever '%08' is what you added in there Iriel |
| 19:45.12 | Iriel | Hm, that's BS isn't it? |
| 19:45.23 | NightHawkTheSane | has ruined more than a couple keyboards with spills |
| 19:45.33 | Thunder_Child | *shrug* whats what google translated it to http://www.google.com/#q=+%08&hl=en&safe=off&sa=2&fp=bf55b3d15dafb488 |
| 19:46.11 | Iriel | My last liquid + keyboard disaster was about 20 years ago, i'm MOSTLY very careful. |
| 19:46.22 | Iriel | The good news is that the thin mac keyboards wash out pretty wekk |
| 19:46.23 | Iriel | well |
| 19:46.24 | Iriel | even |
| 19:46.47 | Lopeppeppy | Kendra ruined my Zboard last year. Damn cat. |
| 19:47.27 | Shirik | Gotta go to class bbl |
| 19:48.04 | NeoTron | I probably have a few spills a year |
| 19:48.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Iriel: I've invested in iSkin keyboard covers >.> |
| 19:48.19 | NeoTron | keyboard death count is lower than the number of spills :P |
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| 19:48.44 | NeoTron | if I could get a G15 that was spillproof I would |
| 19:48.57 | DWSR | NeoTron: Don't bother unless you can get a first generation one. |
| 19:49.09 | DWSR | the 2G ones have worse hardware in them |
| 19:49.23 | DWSR | Logitech intentionally nerfed the response time. |
| 19:49.24 | Iriel | I mostly agree with that, my 1G one was better than the 2G one, though it died |
| 19:49.27 | NeoTron | my first gen died. 2nd gen isn't as good for sure but it still works fine |
| 19:49.44 | Iriel | so I guess the 1G one wasn't THAT good 8-) |
| 19:49.46 | Pneumatus | my first gen is still going strong :) |
| 19:49.46 | DWSR | NeoTron: I picked up an MX Revolution 5500. |
| 19:49.52 | NeoTron | specifically it died while I was tanking Illidan due to a sudden influx of, I think, mike's hard lemonade |
| 19:49.52 | DWSR | Yeah, I love it. |
| 19:49.57 | DWSR | NeoTron: LOL |
| 19:50.08 | NeoTron | so I continued tanking illidan with my mouse only |
| 19:50.17 | Pneumatus | i have the mx revolution mouse also |
| 19:50.20 | Dagmar | Alcohol is bad fro raids |
| 19:50.21 | NeoTron | we wiped, but not my fault :P |
| 19:50.45 | NeoTron | Dagmar: in one way or another perhaps. In this case, it was purely because it's wet and also very sticky |
| 19:50.49 | Dagmar | I know when it came time to kite Loatheb's adds, that half-empty bottle of sake was just laughing at me |
| 19:50.52 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i once fried a keyboard by spilling beer on it, about 5m before raid start time |
| 19:51.11 | NightHawkTheSane | I was MT for the raid at the time. >.> |
| 19:51.17 | NeoTron | I had a reserve keyboard |
| 19:51.24 | NeoTron | but man it was WEIRD to play on a different one all of a sudden |
| 19:51.30 | NeoTron | I pressed the wrong keys a lot |
| 19:51.33 | DWSR | Pneumatus: I have the BT keyboard/mouse combo. |
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| 19:52.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Yeah, this was when I had just moved out to seattle and was poor as shit. I had to rig teleport to use my old beige g3 mac's ADB keyboard on my machine |
| 19:52.35 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, how do you know if it is 1st or 2nd gen? |
| 19:52.40 | DWSR | Screen. |
| 19:52.53 | DWSR | It it's an adjustable screen, it's 1G. |
| 19:52.59 | DWSR | If it's molded into the housing, it's 2G. |
| 19:53.03 | Thunder_Child | ah, then i have 1g |
| 19:53.08 | DWSR | Yeah. :) |
| 19:53.10 | DWSR | Anyone here have a Naga? |
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| 19:53.18 | DWSR | I'm thinking of getting one, and I already have an n52te. |
| 19:53.27 | DWSR | So I'm thinking I'm going to have a hotbutton explosion |
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| 19:53.49 | Thunder_Child | thats a retarded looking mouse |
| 19:53.52 | zenzelezz | don't bother with nagas, they're all hostile and like to run for the water |
| 19:53.56 | NeoTron | 1g has multiple columns of G buttons too while 2g has 1 |
| 19:54.12 | Iriel | 1g is blue, 2g is red |
| 19:54.26 | Iriel | (LED's) |
| 19:55.00 | Pneumatus | yeh, 1g has 18 G keys and a flip-up display |
| 19:55.21 | DWSR | Anyone here have the WoW mouse? |
| 19:55.22 | Fisker | troll hard Pneumatus |
| 19:55.25 | DWSR | Or the razer naga? |
| 19:55.33 | DWSR | ~Fisker++ |
| 19:55.49 | Pneumatus | slaps Fisker with Ozzy Osbourne |
| 19:55.57 | DWSR | ~lart Fisker |
| 19:55.57 | purl | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up Fisker |
| 19:56.38 | Iriel | I use a G5 mouse, still my favorite. |
| 19:56.59 | Dagmar | One button for pet attack, one button for pet passive |
| 19:57.06 | Fisker | lol DWSR |
| 19:57.15 | Fisker | Razer Naga = "We just don't give a fuck" |
| 19:58.10 | Iriel | ok now that (razer naga) is just silly |
| 19:58.22 | Fisker | indeed |
| 19:58.38 | DWSR | I don't think so. =\ |
| 19:58.38 | DWSR | I have an n52te. |
| 19:58.52 | Fisker | It beats the Apple 1-button mouse for the mac in being retarded |
| 19:58.52 | DWSR | And I *thought* it was going to be dumb. |
| 19:58.52 | DWSR | but it's REALLY nice. |
| 19:59.37 | Dagmar | This is because you have full-sized buttons you can easily discriminate from one another. |
| 19:59.41 | Fisker | i want http://10gui.com/video/ |
| 19:59.50 | Dagmar | Good luck feeling which of 12 buttons you're baout to hit with the edge of your thumb |
| 20:01.16 | Fisker | i'm gonna order you a thousand liters of milk |
| 20:02.03 | Fisker | yeah i bet you can't "baout" any buttons with that |
| 20:02.32 | Dagmar | Oh yeah, that's what I want |
| 20:02.46 | Dagmar | A *giant* fumblepad so I really can eff things up with both hands. |
| 20:02.59 | DWSR | Fisker: pressure sensitive touchscreen suck. |
| 20:03.15 | Fisker | Dagmar watch the video |
| 20:03.23 | Fisker | it'll be able to detect whether you're pressing or just resting |
| 20:03.24 | Fisker | durr |
| 20:03.27 | Dagmar | Fisker: This is how I know they're shilling a giant fumblepad. |
| 20:03.29 | Fisker | also |
| 20:03.37 | Fisker | you just ordered a thousand liters of milk again |
| 20:04.16 | Dagmar | There's something on your chin there... Did you forget to shave this morning? |
| 20:04.30 | Dagmar | Wait, like you're old enough for facial hair. What was I thinking... |
| 20:05.05 | Fisker | fu |
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| 20:05.07 | Fisker | i have a beard |
| 20:05.09 | Fisker | and it's red |
| 20:05.13 | Fisker | which means i'm more awesome than you |
| 20:05.28 | Fisker | And it's even more awesome that my hair isn't red |
| 20:06.10 | foxlit | Hm, subtraction in asymptotic complexity notation. |
| 20:06.14 | Dagmar | Let us know when you get one that grows instead of hookes over the ears. |
| 20:06.18 | Fisker | teh fuck foxlit ? |
| 20:06.34 | foxlit | O(A^2 - B^2) |
| 20:06.52 | Lunessa | wants something like the N52 but with a trackball, not a d-pad and meant for the right hand, not the left. |
| 20:06.56 | Fisker | I stand by my statement |
| 20:07.12 | foxlit | Wonder if I can just drop the B^2. |
| 20:08.55 | DWSR | Lunessa: yeah. |
| 20:09.09 | DWSR | I wish it was a proper joystick as well. |
| 20:09.18 | DWSR | And also that the scroll wheel was another button |
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| 20:11.22 | Lunessa | I've purchased 3 n52 devices. Not one of them has worked at all. |
| 20:12.19 | mikma | fisker: yeah, too bad that's not happening in near future |
| 20:14.03 | Fisker | what is mikma ? |
| 20:15.19 | mikma | fisker: 10gui |
| 20:15.35 | Fisker | oh |
| 20:17.27 | Thunder_Child | waves a WB to Cairenn |
| 20:17.39 | Cairenn | huggles Thunder_Child |
| 20:23.05 | Thunder_Child | http://www.tshirthell.com/shirts/products/a1297/a1297_bm.gif |
| 20:24.55 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: Is there a similar one for other parties? |
| 20:25.22 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, not that i have seen |
| 20:25.23 | foxlit | s/parties/party/ |
| 20:25.27 | Lunessa | If so, I might have to get each of them and wear them on different days. |
| 20:25.54 | Lunessa | foxlit: DESPITE what some would have you believe we do have more than two political parties. |
| 20:26.09 | foxlit | Lunessa: are they represented on any serious level? |
| 20:26.46 | Lunessa | I believe there are a few Libertarian members of Congress, but none of them have held the Presidency. |
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| 20:27.08 | Lunessa | And the "Green" Party isn't represented well /anywhere/. |
| 20:27.53 | Dagmar | You're not going to the right parties then |
| 20:28.03 | Dagmar | ...any by "right parties" I mean "pot party" |
| 20:28.05 | Codayus_ | No Libertarains at the federal level. |
| 20:28.10 | kdtresh | the most interesting man in the world prefers the after party |
| 20:28.31 | Lunessa | I am a party of one. |
| 20:28.33 | ZorbaTHut | the after after party is better. and the after after after party is the best. |
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| 20:30.24 | Thunder_Child | Hallowed are the Ori |
| 20:30.36 | Dagmar | Lunesssa: Generally that's just called "masturbation" |
| 20:30.52 | Lunessa | Dagmar: No, you can't watch. |
| 20:30.57 | Dagmar | I don't wanna |
| 20:31.26 | Dagmar | I only DJ orgies with a reasonably banaced mix of genders. |
| 20:31.33 | Dagmar | s/banaced/balanced/; |
| 20:32.09 | Lunessa | Heh, I used to be a DJ in a strip joint. |
| 20:32.10 | Dagmar | There's other people for DJ's sausage fests, but I've no problem with a room full of women if they can overlook that I'm male |
| 20:32.24 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Then you know in the eyes of most, that doesn't make you a DJ. |
| 20:32.27 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 20:32.31 | Lunessa | :P |
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| 20:33.27 | Dagmar | If all your songs are the same speed, three minutes or less in length, and have an audible gap of silence in between so the strippers know when they're done, you're not DJing, you're just filling in for the jukebox they're too cheap to buy |
| 20:33.50 | Lunessa | Dagmar: No, the job was a lot more complex than that. |
| 20:34.01 | Lunessa | And still the worst job I ever had. |
| 20:34.01 | Dagmar | Not like I'd be a signficant improvement after a few of them pass out from exhaustion |
| 20:34.28 | Dagmar | I DJ'd s strip club one night. |
| 20:34.29 | Dagmar | One. |
| 20:34.31 | Dagmar | Never again. |
| 20:34.57 | Dagmar | If you could stand that crap for longer, you've a greater tolerance for bullshit that I find admirable. heh |
| 20:35.36 | Lunessa | I needed the money. Badly. And it was a job that was hiring for which I was qualified. |
| 20:36.03 | Dagmar | I think I may have been the only person ever to touch their system that actually walked around the room to find out what it actually sounded like outside the booth |
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| 20:37.28 | Lunessa | I asked once to have one of the amps replaced, and two of the speakers replaced to get rid of a hum/hiss and got laughed at. They couldn't hear it. |
| 20:39.37 | Fisker | http://www.l4d.com/blog/images/posts/021/7730miles.jpg |
| 20:39.58 | Thunder_Child | well to be fair, people really dont go for the music |
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| 20:42.23 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Because they're deaf |
| 20:42.40 | Dagmar | I actually spotted a phase cancellation issue becuase someone was too stupid to connect the speakers the right way |
| 20:42.44 | Kaso | $3000, was that first class? |
| 20:42.51 | mikma | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/october/t10_dk_male.jpg <- i really had to look this like three times to find the error :D |
| 20:43.16 | NeoTron | Fisker: I don't even know wtf that is |
| 20:43.54 | Fisker | jerk :( |
| 20:43.56 | Dagmar | mikma: For parity checks, see if you can spot the error at gop.gov |
| 20:44.03 | Lunessa | WTF is up with the gnome? |
| 20:44.07 | Kaso | NeoTron some mod author raised 3k to fly gabe over to aussy in order to show him the mod |
| 20:44.08 | NeoTron | giant gnome alert |
| 20:44.29 | Lunessa | And the "error" is the human male color. |
| 20:44.49 | Thunder_Child | it's off shifted |
| 20:45.26 | Dagmar | NeoTron: I think it's another race standing in with an orb |
| 20:45.32 | Dagmar | They never seem to get the scale right |
| 20:45.35 | mikma | dagmar: nope :O |
| 20:45.54 | Dagmar | Oh they got it running again |
| 20:46.02 | ZorbaTHut | some of the night elves don't have glowing eyes |
| 20:46.49 | Dagmar | mikma: This morning they were taking a facepalm because their site was coughing up blood and dying with the most inane of PHP errors |
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| 20:47.30 | Dagmar | http://tpmlivewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/10/steele-on-new-gopcom-its-not-even-really-a-web-site.php |
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| 21:22.12 | Thunder_Child | waves to Shirik |
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| 21:24.36 | Shirik | hi |
| 21:25.57 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:26.00 | Fisker | Hi. |
| 21:27.08 | Fisker | ok i hate you |
| 21:27.47 | Aelobin | i hate you too |
| 21:28.11 | Fisker | happy birthday to the ground Aelobin |
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| 21:28.41 | Aelobin | :< |
| 21:28.48 | Shirik | what is with Repo today? |
| 21:29.00 | Fisker | they're fixing it |
| 21:29.14 | Fisker | Apparently it said it wouldn't be part of their system and started acting weird |
| 21:29.34 | Shirik | it became self-aware and independent? |
| 21:29.59 | Fisker | it was turning into skyne |
| 21:30.00 | Fisker | t |
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| 21:34.53 | NeoTron | worse. it was turning into... skype |
| 21:35.54 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-azgWTq3_dU |
| 21:39.03 | foxlit | oops. |
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| 21:39.44 | foxlit | My FA constructor choked on a 100000-state FA :( |
| 21:42.13 | Kraps | laaaaaaaaaaaaaal http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-KQqoTOSAM&feature=popt00us08 |
| 21:45.52 | Shirik | foxlit: FA? |
| 21:45.59 | foxlit | finite automaton. |
| 21:46.04 | Shirik | fun |
| 21:46.19 | foxlit | The moral of the story seems to be that you shouldn't malloc 100000 times in a row. |
| 21:46.27 | Shirik | trudat |
| 21:46.34 | foxlit | but qq! |
| 21:46.47 | foxlit | Then I can't free them all at once either. |
| 21:46.57 | foxlit | or, rather, I can't free them individually. |
| 21:47.04 | Shirik | shoulda used C++ |
| 21:47.19 | foxlit | Would that actually help? |
| 21:47.25 | Shirik | I dunno |
| 21:47.35 | Shirik | I don't know how you implemented it |
| 21:47.42 | Shirik | but I can come up with a decent solution in C++ |
| 21:47.47 | Shirik | where the compiler should be able to optimize it |
| 21:48.02 | foxlit | Nah, it's pretty screwed. |
| 21:48.08 | foxlit | I don't know in advance how many I'd need. |
| 21:48.15 | foxlit | I could allocate in blocks, but that complicates freeing. |
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| 21:48.37 | cog|sleep | STL containers handle those kinds of details |
| 21:50.01 | foxlit | If it were an array, I could realloc it. |
| 21:50.09 | foxlit | Unfortunately, I have a nasty tree-like thing. |
| 21:50.28 | Shirik | I think realloc would be worse |
| 21:50.53 | foxlit | Meh, it'd be uglier. |
| 21:50.54 | Shirik | you would likely force memory copying |
| 21:51.03 | foxlit | But it'd adapt faster. |
| 21:53.41 | Fisker | spare some change Shirik ? |
| 21:55.40 | foxlit | Hm, lies, I know how many I'll need. |
| 21:56.11 | foxlit | (or at least in any particular round -- makes things a bit easier) |
| 21:56.18 | Lunessa | foxlit: Holly crap man. 1000 times - are you mad? |
| 21:56.32 | Shirik | ? |
| 21:56.34 | Lunessa | Wait, 10,000 - MADNESS! |
| 21:56.57 | Shirik | 100000? |
| 21:56.57 | Lunessa | "foxlit: The moral of the story seems to be that you shouldn't malloc 100000 times in a row." |
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| 21:57.15 | ZorbaTHut | nothin' wrong with 100,000 as long as they're small mallocs |
| 21:57.21 | NightHawkTheSane | slips Lunessa another order of magnitude |
| 21:57.27 | Shirik | yes there is |
| 21:57.30 | Shirik | when you don't need to |
| 21:57.46 | foxlit | Hey, I expect the user-mode allocator to eat some. |
| 21:58.06 | Shirik | yeah um |
| 21:58.11 | Shirik | not that many :) |
| 21:58.20 | foxlit | Some orders of magnitude, hopefully. |
| 21:58.42 | ZorbaTHut | nah. make the computer work for you, not the other way around. if it's the easiest way to do, and the computer can handle it, do it |
| 21:58.54 | Shirik | except it can't |
| 21:58.56 | Shirik | so don't |
| 22:01.46 | Adys | just an fyi |
| 22:01.49 | Adys | Glyph of Eternal Water |
| 22:01.49 | Adys | Instant |
| 22:01.49 | Adys | Your Summon Water Elemental now lasts indefinitely, but your Water Elemental can no longer cast Freeze. |
| 22:02.03 | Shirik | wtfhax |
| 22:02.11 | Fisker | buff palas |
| 22:02.23 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: looks like an attempt at a pve buff |
| 22:02.36 | Dagmar | Your cat pet is now immortal, but can no longer stealth. |
| 22:02.37 | Dagmar | YAY! |
| 22:02.48 | Lunessa | still used to programming for machines with less than 4 megs of RAM. |
| 22:03.03 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Could be worse |
| 22:03.24 | Shirik | still does program for devices with less than 4 megs of RAM |
| 22:03.27 | Lunessa | I started working on machines with 64K. |
| 22:03.32 | Adys | Dagmar: that would be extremely op |
| 22:03.35 | Lunessa | Or less. |
| 22:03.44 | Dagmar | The first programming class I had to take in college (which I walked out of three more classes later) had the instructor telling people to program as if RAM and CPU time were infinite. |
| 22:04.00 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: I dunno, it could be a VERY good pve buff |
| 22:04.01 | Adys | plus |
| 22:04.03 | Dagmar | That's practically a quote. |
| 22:04.04 | Adys | its WAY FUCKING COOL |
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| 22:04.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: oh, its -way- cool, and if mmo-champ is right about: "Frozen Core now also causes your Ice Lance criticals to reduce the cast time of your next Frostbolt or Frostfire Bolt by 0.4/0.7/1 sec." |
| 22:04.59 | NightHawkTheSane | those two go a long way toward helping frost's pve viability |
| 22:05.19 | Dagmar | What's the normal cast time on ff bolt? |
| 22:05.26 | Iriel | Dagmar: that's a good place to START though, dont worry about them until you understand the problem, THEN re-approach with the constraints of reality in place. |
| 22:05.26 | NightHawkTheSane | 2.5 talented? |
| 22:05.29 | NightHawkTheSane | or is it 2 talented |
| 22:05.49 | Dagmar | Iriel: At that level it leads to behaviours which fail horribly later. |
| 22:06.03 | Dagmar | Things like "let's read the entire file into an array and then do things with it" code |
| 22:06.04 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: yeah thats right too |
| 22:06.10 | Adys | IM GONNA RESPEC FROST <3 FINALLY. |
| 22:06.18 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, I quite agree with that, myself |
| 22:06.21 | foxlit | Dagmar: translates neatly to "let's use memory-mapped io" |
| 22:06.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: Frostbolt is 3 base, 2.5 talented, just to be sure |
| 22:06.30 | foxlit | And heck, with 64-bit addressing, you might as well. |
| 22:06.41 | NeoTron | so 3.3, the patch in which Shadow Priest DPS once again will be competetive |
| 22:06.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: well, still have to see exactly how the changes play out :) |
| 22:06.44 | Iriel | Exactly, the solution isn't always that far from the 'infinte' theory |
| 22:06.49 | Dagmar | ...until your program explodes becuse your source data is a 12Gb log file |
| 22:06.50 | NeoTron | for the first time since approximately SSC/TK |
| 22:06.50 | ZorbaTHut | with the vast majority of programs you *can* program like it's infinite |
| 22:06.55 | NeoTron | or something |
| 22:07.12 | Iriel | I think removing the paranoia leads to more people TRYING to program, and more simple problems getting solved |
| 22:07.22 | Dagmar | ...or because you assumed it would be safe to recurse fourteen million times and let the CPU sort it out |
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| 22:07.38 | Dagmar | You don't have to be paranoid about it. |
| 22:07.40 | Iriel | what causes the REAL issues is folks who think you can take a quick prototype and then scale it to a million users, or multi TB files, without making sure it's really ready. |
| 22:07.54 | Dagmar | No test data you're going to have in a beginning level class would generally tax the resources of a digital watch |
| 22:08.51 | Iriel | Dagmar: exactly, so why is the advice to not worry about RAM and CPU time that wrong? |
| 22:08.51 | Dagmar | Better to tell people there are limits, and that their program should not assume there are no limits, but that they won't be hitting them anytime soon. |
| 22:09.00 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: yeah |
| 22:09.04 | Iriel | I guess, for newbs, I disagree |
| 22:09.05 | Dagmar | Otherwise you get people failing to check after trying to allocate resources, on a regular basis. |
| 22:09.26 | foxlit | "There are monsters under your bed. We won't tell you anything about them because you aren't likely to go looking" |
| 22:09.27 | NightHawkTheSane | wait, ankh CD reduced to 50m? from 60? yeah, i'm feeling that. >< |
| 22:09.29 | Iriel | For those who stick with programming and want to do REAL software engineering, sure, they need to pick up the more industrial strength skills. |
| 22:09.36 | foxlit | "But assume there are monsters under your bed." |
| 22:09.37 | ZorbaTHut | actually, failing to check after allocating resources is something I strongly recommend |
| 22:09.38 | Iriel | But you described this as "the first programming class I had to take in college" |
| 22:09.50 | ZorbaTHut | or, more precisely, wrapping your "try to allocate resources" into something that instacrashes if it fails |
| 22:10.16 | Dagmar | foxlit: Assume there might be perverts under your bed. |
| 22:10.32 | Dagmar | Iriel: Yes, a Fortran class. Crappy school. |
| 22:10.43 | ZorbaTHut | in the vast majority of cases, trying to handle unexpected errors is just incredibly not worth the effort, as well as being horrifyingly doomed even before you start. |
| 22:10.44 | Iriel | It was pascal for us |
| 22:10.54 | Dagmar | Pascal was second |
| 22:10.56 | foxlit | Do I want to fail loudly on allocation, or do I want to crash horribly on access afterwards? |
| 22:11.07 | Iriel | I've still never formally had to do pascal(though I messed around with fortran 90 a bit, it was kinda neat) |
| 22:11.11 | Dagmar | I'd rather it fail loudly upon allocation |
| 22:11.20 | foxlit | It's easier to debug the former. |
| 22:11.23 | Iriel | These days we have exceptions which mostly make that less painful |
| 22:11.24 | Dagmar | ...because it's not that damn hard to check the exit status of most things |
| 22:11.49 | Dagmar | not checking can lead to corrupted data that goes unnoticed. |
| 22:12.10 | Adys | Improved Scorch now increases spell critical strike chance against the target by 5% but no longer stacks. (Up from 1%, Stacks up to 5) |
| 22:12.11 | Adys | Glyph of Improved Scorch is now named Glyph of Scorch and Increases the damage of your Scorch spell by 20%. |
| 22:12.12 | Adys | See |
| 22:12.17 | Adys | thats EXACTLY what I meant |
| 22:12.21 | Adys | by "cool glyphs" |
| 22:12.28 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, amen. crash early and crash often. |
| 22:12.30 | Adys | its like blizz were in this channel |
| 22:12.32 | Adys | snickers |
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| 22:13.55 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut: Even then I'd seen CC processing systems that failed horribly because they didnt' check that /tmp wasn't full |
| 22:14.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: er, wait, wahts what you meant? |
| 22:14.06 | Dagmar | ...and systems i'd managed to take over because of such things |
| 22:14.34 | Dagmar | ...which is how I was aware of the CC processing fails but yay statute of limitations! |
| 22:14.45 | Dagmar | Good thing I was serious about never touching other people's money |
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| 22:16.20 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/a/4496/its-over-nine-thousand/ |
| 22:16.38 | Pneumatus | i'm convinced healing priests are the most neglected class/spec |
| 22:17.03 | Shirik | not neglected |
| 22:17.05 | Shirik | just destroyed |
| 22:17.13 | Shirik | We are very powerful, but for all the wrong reasons |
| 22:17.39 | Shirik | in WotLK they completely destroyed priest mechanicswithout adapting the talent tree to thechanges |
| 22:17.48 | Pneumatus | all we had in 3.2 were a penance and PoH nerf, iirc |
| 22:17.55 | Shirik | so the only reason we are able to keep going is because of gear which is, honestly, too powerful |
| 22:18.03 | Shirik | I'm really looking at 3.0 |
| 22:18.13 | Shirik | priestshave become a somewhat easy classto play |
| 22:18.21 | Shirik | it used to require 5SR weaving and intelligence |
| 22:18.24 | Shirik | it doesn't anymore |
| 22:18.45 | Pneumatus | 5sr might as well not exist anymore |
| 22:18.54 | Shirik | exactly |
| 22:19.09 | Shirik | and SO MANY of priest talents were driven on manipulating the 5SR to your advantage |
| 22:19.33 | Pneumatus | i had a lot of fun in 2.0 with surge of light |
| 22:19.51 | Shirik | holy concentration + inner focus was a big one for me |
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| 22:20.07 | NightHawkTheSane | dancing around the 5sr wasn't really very fun |
| 22:20.15 | Shirik | I think it was |
| 22:20.22 | Shirik | it required skill |
| 22:20.27 | Pneumatus | more fun than MASH BUTTAN |
| 22:20.30 | Shirik | ^ |
| 22:20.44 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* i'm not saying healing these days is -more- fun |
| 22:20.59 | Pneumatus | more fun than "miss a gcd and your tank gets instagibbed" also |
| 22:21.03 | Shirik | I enjoy things that require skill tbh |
| 22:21.19 | foxlit | Ahem, skill? :) |
| 22:21.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Pneumatus: that happened before too, though |
| 22:21.32 | foxlit | Can you be replaced by a well-functioning piece of software? |
| 22:21.34 | Pneumatus | only in sunwell |
| 22:21.39 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: on some fights, yes. |
| 22:21.40 | Adys | probably |
| 22:21.47 | Shirik | foxlit: Right now, yes |
| 22:21.51 | Shirik | back then, it would have taken a lot more work |
| 22:22.05 | NightHawkTheSane | and its not just priests that are in that boat |
| 22:22.12 | foxlit | Back then, it'd do a better job than you too. |
| 22:22.16 | Shirik | oh I agree |
| 22:22.16 | Shirik | (@ NightHawkTheSane) |
| 22:22.19 | Pneumatus | no, there needs to be a fundamental chance in raid damage |
| 22:22.23 | Shirik | foxlit: Ifwritten correctl |
| 22:22.31 | Shirik | but that's true for anything |
| 22:22.31 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: back then, it would have been possible, and i agree with you :P |
| 22:22.51 | Shirik | the trick is howmuch work it would take to make it work correctly |
| 22:23.01 | NightHawkTheSane | not much, as there were mods to do it. |
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| 22:23.13 | Shirik | to do encounters? |
| 22:23.53 | Shirik | omfg Cide |
| 22:23.55 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, you mean run an entire encounter, not just auto-heal? :P |
| 22:23.56 | Shirik | I'm in class |
| 22:24.17 | Lopeppeppy | Well, the healing thing has changed somewhat... but for us it will always be whack-a-mole to justify our positions, for dps it will always be a race to justify their positions, for tanks it's a balancing act of threat to justify themselves.... I think only the DPS think this "justify yourself" is consistently fun. |
| 22:24.18 | Shirik | and I see this slide that says "Transformation of CT can be done automatically using a graph transformation tool." |
| 22:24.27 | Shirik | And I'm like oo CTGraph |
| 22:25.00 | foxlit | If anything, they removed some of the more boring aspects of healing. |
| 22:25.08 | Shirik | disagree |
| 22:25.12 | NightHawkTheSane | agreed, foxlit |
| 22:25.12 | Shirik | but mnsho |
| 22:25.19 | Lopeppeppy | disagree, foxlit. |
| 22:25.26 | foxlit | Selecting the right rank of a spell to use was silly. |
| 22:25.35 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 22:25.35 | Shirik | I never did that tbh |
| 22:25.43 | Shirik | and I felt it was overrated |
| 22:25.56 | NightHawkTheSane | for shamans at the end of bc, it wasn't. |
| 22:25.59 | Shirik | sure |
| 22:26.01 | Pneumatus | i never downranked either |
| 22:26.02 | Shirik | for priests, it was |
| 22:26.09 | Lopeppeppy | I only ever have three spells that are effective, end of story, nothing to choose. That change didn't effect my playstyle. |
| 22:26.10 | Pneumatus | apart from rank 1 holy nova, for killing hunter snakes |
| 22:26.14 | NightHawkTheSane | i could heal for days with r3/4 CH, but r5 would drain me in 30s >< |
| 22:26.15 | Pneumatus | and rank 1 sw:p for rogues |
| 22:26.18 | Pneumatus | or dispel spam |
| 22:26.18 | Shirik | well true Pneumatus |
| 22:26.22 | Shirik | those don't count |
| 22:26.54 | syrae | You can now query for a list of completed quests with âQueryQuestsCompleted()â then wait for the âQUEST_QUERY_COMPLETEâ event, and call âGetQuestsCompleted(<luatable>)â. <-- I want to see some addons based on this. |
| 22:26.54 | foxlit | But more importantly, managing mana on a "hey, should I wait for regen?" basis wasn't particularly interesting. |
| 22:26.56 | Shirik | I have no problem with them removing that |
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| 22:27.08 | Shirik | but they went overboard on the changes |
| 22:27.27 | foxlit | Some encounters where you'd have to (for some reason) cycle healers would be better. |
| 22:27.32 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, mana management isn't really the challenge they hoped it'd be |
| 22:27.34 | Adys | Skill pages are up |
| 22:27.34 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/skill/tailoring/ |
| 22:27.57 | Lopeppeppy | Paladin mana management has gone up and down the teeter-totter, it drives me insane. |
| 22:27.59 | foxlit | But if anything, the healing game now is about predicting where and how much damage is going to occur. That's a sufficiently fun thing to do. |
| 22:28.11 | Pneumatus | i accept as a healer it's going to be whackamole, but i expect to be able to use more than 2 different hammers to whack the moles playing a class that allegedly has the biggest healing arsenal |
| 22:28.38 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: yeah, when that works right, its great. I dislike some of the heavy-damage "oh i was a half second too late, you're dead now" situations |
| 22:28.51 | foxlit | zomg-spam-tank-or-else needs to go. |
| 22:28.54 | Lopeppeppy | Paladins have two real hammers, and one sorta hammer... and for the past year, really only one that does anything. |
| 22:28.55 | Fisker | Pneumatus healers are the only one who should be challenged in WoW |
| 22:29.00 | foxlit | But that's difficult to replace. |
| 22:29.34 | Lopeppeppy | I dunno. These upcoming changes to mana regen and spirit and so forth might end that teetering. Have to see. |
| 22:29.44 | NightHawkTheSane | well its only difficult to replace because to do it completely and well would be a fairly low-level reworking of how encounters (and thus gear itemization) works |
| 22:29.56 | NightHawkTheSane | which then influences pvp balance which would need to be rebalanced.. |
| 22:30.00 | NightHawkTheSane | etc etc |
| 22:30.33 | Pneumatus | major patches are an ideal time for that though |
| 22:31.00 | foxlit | Healers need something to do, though -- what would you replace time spent spamming the tank with? |
| 22:31.09 | foxlit | time spent spamming the raid? |
| 22:31.17 | Shirik | DPS! |
| 22:31.18 | foxlit | time spent standing uselessly waiting for your resources to come back? |
| 22:31.19 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:31.28 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: *shrug* another equally good question |
| 22:31.29 | soufron | helo |
| 22:32.01 | NightHawkTheSane | i rather like fights that offer significant raid damage that's not zomg overwhelming (razorscale vs hodir) |
| 22:32.06 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I dunno, I'd love to see more off-specs and fewer healers necessary! |
| 22:32.07 | NightHawkTheSane | so i wouldn't mind more raid damage |
| 22:32.28 | foxlit | Paladins will cry you a river :) |
| 22:32.48 | Pneumatus | fewer healers? |
| 22:32.50 | NightHawkTheSane | why? razorscale, just to use that as an example, has a lot of tank damage |
| 22:32.54 | foxlit | And druids will cry tears of joy. |
| 22:32.57 | NightHawkTheSane | but its not zomg-spike |
| 22:33.01 | Pneumatus | it's bad enough that we're down to 5/6 healer encounters |
| 22:33.09 | Shirik | let's just get rid of healers entirely |
| 22:33.15 | Lopeppeppy | Totally. |
| 22:33.21 | Lopeppeppy | I can go back to my rogue and everyone will be happy! |
| 22:33.22 | foxlit | In fact, let's get rid of tanks, too. |
| 22:33.25 | Shirik | ya |
| 22:33.29 | Lopeppeppy | secretly is gonna make Peppy a priestess!!! |
| 22:33.36 | Shirik | I got it |
| 22:33.41 | Shirik | 25 man raid, everyone's a rogue |
| 22:33.49 | Dagmar | Everyone will spec DK with bloodworms |
| 22:33.50 | Shirik | kill is determined by how well the raid can pass off stunlocks |
| 22:33.51 | foxlit | And you rotate evasion-tanking. |
| 22:33.51 | WobWork | The healing experience became degraded when it moved from "Hey, everyone and the tank is alive!" to "zomg cool I've topped the healing charts" |
| 22:33.56 | Shirik | that works too foxlit |
| 22:33.59 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:34.09 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: it was always that. |
| 22:34.25 | NightHawkTheSane | WobWork: it got worse when healing became more spammy |
| 22:34.31 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 22:34.39 | WobWork | I admit I'm prone to that too, as a resto shammy |
| 22:34.42 | Shirik | everything that doesn't require a human decision is a problem |
| 22:34.56 | Lopeppeppy | If you couldn't spam faster than Spammer McMasterson with their extra high speed connection, you are just automatically a sucky healer. |
| 22:35.01 | Shirik | i.e., (1) lack of a decision between spells to use (2) spells which auto-choose targets |
| 22:35.21 | WobWork | well, at least resto shammies have a few spells to choose from |
| 22:35.28 | Shirik | while coh is interesting, it's also broken |
| 22:35.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: the opposite side of that, though, is that too many decisions to make often a) reduce themselves down to too few, or b) give people headaches for having WAY too many things to think about |
| 22:35.43 | Shirik | too bad |
| 22:35.44 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 22:36.08 | Pneumatus | CoH, brainheal, WG and ProM are all just as bad |
| 22:36.21 | Shirik | certainly the encounters won't be impossibly difficult, but I have NO PROBLEM with not everyone being able to be a healer |
| 22:36.21 | WobWork | Pallies get the short end of the healing stick |
| 22:36.21 | NightHawkTheSane | I agree, re:CoH, i think Chain heal does it a little better |
| 22:37.06 | Dagmar | Oh come on. When was the last time you ran up and bandaged a tank mid-fight |
| 22:37.07 | Pneumatus | well, ProM isnt quite as bad |
| 22:37.11 | Dagmar | Where's your sense of egalitariams? |
| 22:37.13 | Shirik | last week |
| 22:37.13 | NightHawkTheSane | PoM isn't too bad. |
| 22:37.15 | Pneumatus | because its too fucking retarded to jump to players |
| 22:37.20 | Dagmar | er egalitarianism |
| 22:37.20 | Pneumatus | and ends up getting stuck on pets all the time |
| 22:37.22 | Shirik | I finally got my achievement for triage |
| 22:37.24 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:37.37 | Shirik | 0 MP on vezax, last healer alive |
| 22:37.41 | Dagmar | Shirik: Was it like most people? While doing the "fall 65 feet and not die" achieveemnt? |
| 22:37.44 | Shirik | lol |
| 22:37.44 | NightHawkTheSane | CoH and WG kinda annoy me because they're 'spam anyone near you and it'll work well' kind of spells |
| 22:37.46 | Shirik | no |
| 22:37.50 | Shirik | it really saved the die! |
| 22:37.52 | Shirik | day |
| 22:37.56 | Dagmar | Heh cool |
| 22:38.04 | Pneumatus | at least PoH actually needs some coordination |
| 22:38.09 | Shirik | and then first everyone was like "yay!!" |
| 22:38.12 | Pneumatus | people need to be near enough to the center, etc |
| 22:38.18 | Shirik | and then everyone was like "wtf why don't you have that yet?!" |
| 22:38.20 | Codayus_ | CoH is a problematic spell, yes. |
| 22:38.22 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i'm cool with PoH |
| 22:38.36 | foxlit | I don't mind WG/CoH. |
| 22:38.38 | Codayus_ | It's too powerful to exist without limitations; the limitations just make it unfun without really fixing it. |
| 22:38.45 | Shirik | ^ |
| 22:38.46 | Pneumatus | CoH is annoying as hell to use though |
| 22:38.54 | Shirik | the whole CD thing was a broken change |
| 22:39.03 | Pneumatus | you can end up only hitting one target etc, because there's no way to know if people are in range |
| 22:39.09 | Dagmar | Just to make it exciting druids should get an aoe heal that wanders around like Sapphiron's ice spell |
| 22:39.09 | foxlit | If you know a group of people are taking damage somewhere, by all means, let it worry about targetting them. |
| 22:39.13 | Shirik | it was curing the symptoms instead of the cause |
| 22:39.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Pneumatus: CH is the same. |
| 22:39.29 | Pneumatus | CH isnt the same at all really |
| 22:39.32 | Codayus_ | Cooldowns for disc is...okay. Cooldowns for holy is not a fun change. |
| 22:39.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Pneumatus: i meant in the 'target someone and have only hit one person' way |
| 22:40.01 | Pneumatus | yeh, but theres a fair chance it's gonna jump to someone else |
| 22:40.08 | NightHawkTheSane | the difference i guess is that CH scales a bit well, and so eventually becomes good enough to hit only one person anyway |
| 22:40.11 | Pneumatus | especially if you're CH on melee |
| 22:40.18 | NightHawkTheSane | well, yeah |
| 22:40.42 | Pneumatus | for PoH to work the same you need all the melee in the same groups |
| 22:40.45 | Pneumatus | which doesnt happen :P |
| 22:40.56 | Codayus_ | Pneumatus: Bitch at your raid leader. >.> |
| 22:41.02 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
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| 22:41.16 | Pneumatus | they end up spread for all sorts of reasons |
| 22:41.20 | Pneumatus | spreading draenai etc |
| 22:41.41 | Codayus_ | True. My guild stacks tanks/melee in groups 1-2 when feasible, but it often isn't. |
| 22:41.52 | Codayus_ | And it's an anachronistic thing to worry about these days. |
| 22:42.04 | NightHawkTheSane | it is, but its not :P |
| 22:42.06 | Pneumatus | PoH and mana tide are like the only party-wide things now |
| 22:42.11 | Codayus_ | Which is a shame,Macaroni13021068 |
| 22:42.14 | NightHawkTheSane | tremor totem and cleansing totem are too |
| 22:42.17 | Codayus_ | Stupid cat. |
| 22:42.31 | Pneumatus | cleansing changed to party only? |
| 22:42.40 | NightHawkTheSane | it always was, wasn't it? |
| 22:42.48 | Pneumatus | idk, thought it was raid |
| 22:43.01 | Codayus_ | Which is a shame, because PoH is a really nice spell, the party targeting mechanic is good, and for holy, the whole Serendipity interaction is good design. |
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| 22:43.54 | NightHawkTheSane | but yeah, there's only a few things that are party only, but its often worth shifting players around that. |
| 22:44.09 | Pneumatus | disc PoH isnt too bad either in certain circumstances |
| 22:44.15 | Pneumatus | with borrowed time or PI |
| 22:44.35 | WobWork | cleansing has only ever been party only |
| 22:44.40 | WobWork | unfortunately |
| 22:44.56 | WobWork | (and then people forget to not drop it on Grobbulus =() |
| 22:44.57 | Pneumatus | fair enough, we dont use them anyway as a rule |
| 22:45.29 | WobWork | heigan it's useful |
| 22:45.39 | NightHawkTheSane | heigan its godly. :P |
| 22:45.41 | Pneumatus | it was useful when it instapulsed |
| 22:45.43 | Codayus_ | Pneumatus: Very true. Of course, it's so good they keep having to nerf PoH coefficients... |
| 22:45.54 | Codayus_ | Apparently balancing AoE heals is hard. :-/ |
| 22:46.07 | WobWork | I <3 tremor totem in most required situations |
| 22:46.13 | Pneumatus | heh, like a coefficient nerf makes any diffrence to disc |
| 22:46.16 | Pneumatus | we have like 4 spellpower |
| 22:46.35 | WobWork | what do disc stack? |
| 22:46.44 | Pneumatus | depends who you ask |
| 22:46.49 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom :P |
| 22:46.53 | Codayus_ | Pneumatus: Hey, our scaling is bad enough already, we need what we can get. |
| 22:47.00 | Codayus_ | WobWork: Spellpower mostly. |
| 22:47.13 | Pneumatus | i stack int |
| 22:47.14 | NightHawkTheSane | that reminds me. i need to regem for haste. >< |
| 22:47.20 | NightHawkTheSane | shakes his fist at 3.2 |
| 22:47.42 | WobWork | I want to respec my priest to disc and play her |
| 22:47.51 | WobWork | but that would involve a server+faction change |
| 22:48.03 | WobWork | and I don't want to play her quite -that- much yet. |
| 22:48.26 | Pneumatus | nothing scales well for disc, so you can stack whatever |
| 22:48.34 | Pneumatus | and it generally makes no difference ;) |
| 22:48.43 | WobWork | I still think Blizzard should reduce the transfer fee to unbalanced servers |
| 22:48.48 | Dagmar | Stack armor pen |
| 22:49.01 | Codayus_ | Unless your naked, your probably haste softcapped with BT buff. You often won't have BT, of course, but that's enough to make haste relatively unattractive. Crit is okay, but only okay. So...that leaves spellpower, which is better than crit (and that's all I can say for it). (Unless your having mana issues, which is fairly rare except as specific points in progression.) |
| 22:49.07 | WobWork | Dagmar: Expertise! |
| 22:50.27 | Pneumatus | doesnt take much haste to be sat on 1sec most of the time if you're an engineer |
| 22:52.31 | Codayus_ | *nod* |
| 22:53.09 | Codayus_ | Depends on what your doing, of course. The more tank healing you do (and the less shield spamming on the raid) the more you'll benefit from haste and crit, and the fewer mana issues you'll have... |
| 22:53.12 | Dagmar | Oh, for the next "until they notice" those of you outside the US will be pleased to find that the Republicans are offering a free web proxy. Example: http://www.hammerandsteele.com/?u=www.democrats.org |
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| 22:56.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: those republicans sure are nice folks. |
| 22:58.49 | foxlit | eek. |
| 22:58.55 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: I think Mike Steele is going to have to go back to paper and pencil for awhile after this |
| 22:58.57 | foxlit | I apparently want to allocate 2477520000 bytes |
| 22:59.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: can we have him go back to the caves and just disappear? |
| 22:59.30 | Dagmar | I'd be in support of that plan. |
| 22:59.41 | Dagmar | Sadly, he's one of the more lucid people they have at the moment. |
| 22:59.47 | WobWork | 2.3 gigs? |
| 22:59.50 | NightHawkTheSane | which is just scary. |
| 23:01.46 | foxlit | It actually suceeds. |
| 23:01.53 | foxlit | But the subsequent swapping kills performance. |
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| 23:02.39 | foxlit | (It's 9990000 entries of 248 bytes) |
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| 23:23.13 | foxlit | "When an addon file is loaded, the addon name and an addon table are passed to the file through ââ¦â. The same addon table is passed to every file loaded by a particular TOC file (example at the top of a Lua file: âlocal addonName, addonTable = â¦;â." |
| 23:23.26 | foxlit | A free table? They shouldn't have! |
| 23:23.46 | tekkub | it's private and shared to all the addons files |
| 23:23.52 | tekkub | private namespace |
| 23:24.42 | foxlit | I guessed that much. |
| 23:25.47 | foxlit | It's the why that's interesting. |
| 23:26.11 | foxlit | Is there really some exceptional need to have a *private* table per addon? |
| 23:28.28 | Shirik | polluting the global namespace is bad? |
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| 23:28.58 | foxlit | Compared to the elephant in the room that is FrameXML, I don't think it matters. |
| 23:29.12 | Shirik | that's differet |
| 23:29.26 | Cide | Shirik: CTGraph is a great idea. |
| 23:30.46 | Lopeppeppy | CTPizzaDeliveryPandaranStyle |
| 23:33.01 | WobWork | >< |
| 23:33.03 | WobWork | "You've been kicked (a good thing) - Trackback from DotNetKicks.com" |
| 23:33.16 | WobWork | that has to be one of the most awkwardly bad marketing ideas |
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| 23:33.45 | WobWork | if you have to clarify that your notification of interest is "a good thing", you're doing it wrong |
| 23:34.08 | Mikk | HAHAAAA they ended up doing what I suggested |
| 23:34.26 | Mikk | hm no they didn't. i wanted the whole file path, not the addon name =( |
| 23:34.33 | Mikk | bastards |
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| 23:44.16 | mikma | http://db.mmo-champion.com/a/4496/ |
| 23:46.30 | Jerub | mikma: lol |
| 23:48.08 | Pneumatus | think im on about 8300 :< |
| 23:48.14 | foxlit | I withdraw my comment about not calling malloc repeatedly. |
| 23:48.38 | foxlit | It works as reasonably as can be expected under the circumstances. I underestimated the test case parameters and simply pushed it into swap. |
| 23:50.31 | mikma | BLAH! Steam died. |
| 23:50.35 | mikma | your fault, scytheblade1 |
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| 23:50.56 | Dagmar | it's all those damn updates and fixes and easy sales. |
| 23:51.00 | Dagmar | It's made them go soft. |
| 23:51.15 | Pneumatus | i wonder how long ive been talking to myself in gchat |
| 23:51.18 | Pneumatus | everyone is offline :< |
| 23:52.53 | foxlit | Pneumatus: it's only a problem if you've been under the impression there's a dialogue. |
| 23:53.01 | Pneumatus | lol |
| 23:53.40 | Iriel | foxlit: there's no CLEAN way to do the private table otherwise |
| 23:53.49 | Iriel | foxlit: every approach is messy in some way |
| 23:53.55 | Iriel | foxlit: and arguably open to 'infection' |
| 23:54.10 | foxlit | Iriel: is there a legitimate use case, though? |
| 23:54.29 | foxlit | Why would you care deeply about your table not being accessible by someone else? |
| 23:54.44 | Iriel | You might if you're blizzard |
| 23:55.05 | foxlit | Mhm. Do they actually use it? |
| 23:55.09 | Iriel | I doubt it. |
| 23:55.18 | Iriel | I'm just saying there are legitimate use cases for them. |
| 23:55.36 | Iriel | It's nice to have, it cleans up a bunch of otherwise annoying initialization code if you're TRYING to keep stuff private |
| 23:55.40 | foxlit | Blizzard already has taint, though. |
| 23:55.47 | Iriel | the argument about whether private data in a WoW UI is a really good idea, is another thing |
| 23:55.52 | Iriel | taint is imperfect |
| 23:56.06 | Iriel | it's usually good enough, but there are limits |
| 23:56.12 | foxlit | It prevents anyone from messing with your table and getting away with it. |
| 23:56.21 | Iriel | mostly |
| 23:56.30 | foxlit | Preventing people from looking at your table is pointless; they can run the same code side-by-side and look at that. |
| 23:56.45 | Iriel | the one un-covered case is left as an exercise to the reader (which, given it's you, you'll probably know or figure out) |
| 23:57.03 | Iriel | I consider it a 'convenience' for us mortals |
| 23:57.40 | Iriel | It's very easy to implement on the blizz side, and handy for those who need it, and can be ignored for those who dont |
| 23:58.13 | Iriel | It spares me having to think of a global name for my table 8-) |
| 23:58.16 | foxlit | Perl's position on having shotguns comes to mind :) |
