| 00:00.16 | Thunder_Child | theorbtwo, hmm..you are correct. i wonder what i am thinking of then. |
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| 00:01.28 | Xinhuan | they found out that memory errors tend to be hardware related to brand of motherboard than any other factor |
| 00:01.29 | Xinhuan | lol |
| 00:04.28 | Pneumatus | i blame asus |
| 00:04.37 | Lopeppeppy | Why couldn't you return it, Ackis? |
| 00:05.06 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: it's custom built with some of our own components in it (aka video card) |
| 00:05.15 | Ackis | btw Happy Thanksgiving everyone! |
| 00:06.09 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe the video card is angry about the new arangements. |
| 00:06.12 | theorb | Xinhuan: Thankfully, that sort of error will show up in memtest86... probably. |
| 00:06.38 | Jerub | I have found there are an entire clsas of memory errors that memtest86 will not see, but a simple shell script will find. |
| 00:06.39 | Pneumatus | motherboard based memory problems wont show up |
| 00:06.49 | Pneumatus | not neccesarily anyway |
| 00:06.52 | theorb | The nasty thing is that it could be a matter of EMI caused by something that memtest86 won't activate. |
| 00:06.56 | Jerub | grabs the shell script |
| 00:07.38 | theorb | The way the linux community used to suggest doing it was running memtest86 for a while... and then trying looping kernel compiles. |
| 00:07.39 | jnwhiteh | anyone have a google wave invite i can snag? (PM me) |
| 00:07.42 | Pneumatus | memtest still pretty much just copies bits around, doesnt it? |
| 00:08.05 | theorb | Pneumatus: Sticks bits down, and then checks that they read what was written to them, more or less. |
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| 00:08.18 | Xinhuan | it writes bits of patterns to memory and reads it back |
| 00:08.22 | Jerub | http://paste2.org/p/464514 |
| 00:08.25 | Xinhuan | the result is that the data should be the same |
| 00:09.03 | Jerub | this script basically untars and diffs the linux kernel source tree many times concurrently. it hammers the disk and the memory hard. if the machine kernel panics - there's a memory problem. |
| 00:10.08 | theorbtwo | The problem is, that isn't terribly diagnostic. |
| 00:10.23 | Pneumatus | yeh, it will either crash or not :) |
| 00:10.26 | theorbtwo | It could be a memory problem. It could also be a driver problem, maybe even a disk problem. |
| 00:10.37 | Xinhuan | that is just testing to see if the OS panics |
| 00:10.40 | Xinhuan | isn't it? |
| 00:10.51 | Jerub | jnwhiteh: the second round of invites hasn't been issued yet. |
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| 00:10.59 | jnwhiteh | I just got mine =) |
| 00:11.02 | jnwhiteh | so yes they have ;-) |
| 00:11.22 | theorbtwo | For the errors memtest86 catches, it tells you a lot about them. For the errors linux kernel tree unpacking catches, it tells you very little -- which is why you should try memtest86 first. |
| 00:11.31 | Jerub | theorbtwo: once you have a diagnostic test, you can start replacing components to discern the location of the problem. |
| 00:11.31 | Thrae | OK, got my 5 monitor setup working. Since I have 4 ports, need to figure out what to do with the 5th monitor...anyone in the US got a Nvidia 8-series PCI (not PCI-Ex) card laying around? |
| 00:12.01 | Jerub | Thrae: attach a second computer to it and use synergy |
| 00:12.24 | theorbtwo | Thrae: Preferably, get a second computer running a different OS. It's good for you. |
| 00:14.00 | Thrae | I have two servers running Linux, but they're headless. I don't want to bog them down with X when my main gaming/workstation is such a beast. |
| 00:14.53 | Thunder_Child | Thrae, or http://sewelldirect.com/Gefen-USB-to-DVI-Display-Adapter.asp ? |
| 00:16.27 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: Yeah I looked at those, but I can buy a new PCI nVidia 8400GS w/ two ports for $50 USD. Just trying to see if I can get a better deal for something that'll become obsolete in a year or two. |
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| 00:18.46 | Lopeppeppy | re-hello, alestane |
| 00:18.56 | alestane | Computer all get stuck. |
| 00:19.11 | Thunder_Child | Thrae, true, but this is far more versitle (it can be moved from pc to pc) and it will prolly last longer than a PCI card |
| 00:20.02 | Lopeppeppy | dumb computers. |
| 00:20.05 | Lopeppeppy | And you ahve a lot of them, alestane |
| 00:23.50 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: True, except ideally I want two ports since having two displays connected to my primary video card can confuse DirectX and especially OpenGL, and bog down the video card more even when in exclusive mode (as some use a "fake" exclusive mode just for fullscreen) |
| 00:24.07 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: Two port USB dongles, or two of those dongles, costs ~$120 |
| 00:27.25 | Liz | if i wanted to parse a string of 2 or more words, so that the first word was stored as tmp1 and the second word was stored as tmp2 (separated by spaces) and any further parts of the string were discarded, what would I have to do to the string? I'm reading through pattern matching on wowwiki and in the wowprogramming book, but I've been staring at it for a while and i'm still messing it up |
| 00:28.16 | jnwhiteh | local tmp1, tmp2 = string.match("^(%S+)%s*(%S+)", "This is a test") |
| 00:28.22 | jnwhiteh | > string.match("^(%S+)%s*(%S+)", "This is a test") |
| 00:28.26 | jnwhiteh | lua> string.match("^(%S+)%s*(%S+)", "This is a test") |
| 00:28.27 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: nil |
| 00:28.27 | jnwhiteh | i fail, sorry |
| 00:28.37 | Liz | :( |
| 00:29.03 | jnwhiteh | lua> string.match("This is a test", "^(%S+)%s*(%S+)", ) |
| 00:29.03 | jnwhiteh | oh ffs. |
| 00:29.03 | jnwhiteh | shoot me in the face. |
| 00:29.05 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near ')' |
| 00:29.05 | Thunder_Child | Thrae, confuse how? |
| 00:29.13 | jnwhiteh | lua> string.match("This is a test", "^(%S+)%s*(%S+)") |
| 00:29.14 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: This, is |
| 00:29.24 | Lopeppeppy | will most emphatically NOT shoot jnwhiteh, kthxbai |
| 00:30.18 | Thunder_Child | spoilsport peppy |
| 00:30.22 | Liz | thanks! time to keep staring so hopefully i'll understand too :P |
| 00:30.34 | Lopeppeppy | I loves his sparkly smiley face too much to bury it! |
| 00:30.45 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: I especially know of problems in older OpenGL games, though they may have been resolved in OpenGL 3.x. And I know of some more problems I can't discuss because of a NDA (I used to work Video Chipset QA for a well-known company) |
| 00:30.52 | Thunder_Child | are we talking about the same person? |
| 00:30.57 | Lopeppeppy | Ya. |
| 00:31.05 | Thunder_Child | blinks at Lopeppeppy |
| 00:31.18 | Thrae | I think I'll just eat the $50 and if I'm wrong, then nuts on me. Wouldn't be the first bad buying decision I made... |
| 00:32.01 | Thrae | I could have saved $500 and gotten a better 2560x1600 30" if I waited a week or two *sobs* |
| 00:32.17 | Thunder_Child | jnwhiteh, your face sparkles? |
| 00:33.00 | Lopeppeppy | He's a Twilight vampire on his days off. |
| 00:36.11 | mikma | hehehe |
| 00:36.29 | mikma | you know why his face sparkles in the sun ;))) |
| 00:38.18 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: you still cant tell us which company can you? |
| 00:41.20 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: Sure I can. Otherwise my resume would be kinda light. It was Absolute Quality (now a division of e4e, Inc.) |
| 00:42.40 | Arrowmaster | and what the vid card manufactures used that company for QA work? |
| 00:42.56 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: That's where the NDA comes in. |
| 00:43.09 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 00:43.25 | Arrowmaster | so you cant say why the company was doing QA |
| 00:44.08 | tem | I hate faction champs so much |
| 00:44.16 | mikma | tem: amen. fucktards. |
| 00:44.38 | Jerub | tem: didn't you say you managed to do ToC10 in 22 minutes the other day? |
| 00:44.42 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: I can say I was, "working on quality assurance for a major video chipset developer and manufacturer." |
| 00:44.43 | mikma | 25manned them today, after like 6 wipes (last wipe was server crashing down) |
| 00:45.01 | Thrae | And no, I can't play the "guessing game" :D |
| 00:45.24 | Arrowmaster | that NDA ever expire? |
| 00:45.37 | Thrae | Maybe if the company expires |
| 00:45.58 | Thrae | Wait, no, BOTH companies must expire |
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| 00:46.20 | Jerub | bah. it just means thrae either worked with nvidia, intel or ati, and he can't say which. |
| 00:46.21 | mikma | so this works like so: |
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| 00:46.31 | mikma | we shoot out the names of companies |
| 00:46.38 | mikma | you'll be quiet when we hit the correct one |
| 00:46.40 | mikma | Nvidia |
| 00:46.43 | tem | Jerub, normal mode is easy mode |
| 00:46.46 | Thrae | mikma: 15:41 < Thrae> And no, I can't play the "guessing game" :D |
| 00:46.57 | tem | faciton champs hard mode is <<NOT FUN>> |
| 00:47.07 | Jerub | tem: oh, you're on heroic? suck. |
| 00:47.17 | ajmitch | faction champs on heroic 10-man isn't so bad |
| 00:47.28 | tem | we've got a lousy group tonight |
| 00:47.28 | mikma | thrae: we are not guessing, we are just shooting out names and you say no if you are not part of it |
| 00:47.32 | Jerub | my guild was trying to 8 man flame leviathon last night |
| 00:47.34 | Jerub | that as fun |
| 00:47.37 | tem | ret pally, warrior, warlock dps |
| 00:47.44 | nspb | Jerub: in Uld25, right? |
| 00:47.53 | Jerub | mikma: stop it, it's mean to people who arne't allowed to say. |
| 00:47.59 | Jerub | yeah, on 25. |
| 00:48.14 | Thrae | Anyway it was fun when I was basically a manager without the power but the responsibility. I got to talk straight to the devs often. Of course, the reason I quit was because I was basically a manager without the power but the responsibility for barely minimum wage, and I saw no upwards mobility ;) |
| 00:48.20 | Jerub | we got FL to 40% before we wiped on the last try. I think if we'd been paying attention we might've been able to get it |
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| 00:48.33 | mikma | thrae: ati |
| 00:48.38 | mikma | jerub: who asked you? |
| 00:48.50 | Thunder_Child | ~lart mikma |
| 00:48.50 | purl | drops a truckload of VAXen on mikma |
| 00:49.03 | nspb | heyy out of curiosity, is anyone here pretty handy with Outfitter (specifically with automation?) i'd love a second of your free time if so |
| 00:49.13 | Jerub | mikma: because it's making me cringe. NDAs are nasty enough without people trying to weasel out irrelevent details. |
| 00:49.27 | Thrae | mikma: I'm going to shut down my router for a little while and work on it. Take that however you want. |
| 00:49.34 | mikma | jerub: you don't know me, you don't know i'm just fucking up with thrae :D |
| 00:49.55 | mikma | jerub: i do that to him cause he's an assmonkey and stopped coding TinyTip |
| 00:50.02 | Thunder_Child | s/up/around/ |
| 00:50.17 | mikma | thunder_child: with? |
| 00:50.23 | nspb | olawd regexz |
| 00:50.38 | nspb | so nobody to give me an eHandy with outfitta? |
| 00:50.55 | Thunder_Child | mikma, "fucking up with" is not right...not even as slang |
| 00:51.16 | mikma | thunder_child: yes it is, i just made it a right one |
| 00:51.31 | nspb | ESL ^ |
| 00:51.33 | Thunder_Child | rolls his eyes @ mikma |
| 00:51.39 | Jerub | it works, it just means, "making mistakes in unison with" |
| 00:52.04 | Thunder_Child | thats not aplicable in context Jerub |
| 00:52.22 | mikma | boinks thunder_child in the .. |
| 00:52.24 | Jerub | granted. :) |
| 00:52.25 | nspb | let's be realistic here, your name is Thunder_Child and you're in an irc chat room dedicated to developing modifications to a high fantasy multiplayer online roleplaying game; none of us is going to be the epitome of coolsville |
| 00:52.52 | Thunder_Child | nspb, cool? yes, because correcting grammar has always been 'cool' |
| 00:53.04 | nspb | BUT what we CAN do is help mr nspb with his question regarding Outfitter scripting, by pointing him to a concise tutorial |
| 00:53.20 | nspb | Thunder_Child: Insert picture of MC Hammer here. "Stop. Grammar time." |
| 00:53.28 | Liz | O.o |
| 00:53.58 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a let you go on with your discussion, but I just want to say that Peppy's grammar is the BEST EVER! |
| 00:54.14 | Thunder_Child | ~seen hirsute |
| 00:54.45 | purl | hirsute <n=chatzill@WoWUIDev/Norganna/Developer/Hirsute> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 19d 5h 30m 20s ago, saying: 'No idea.'. |
| 00:54.45 | nspb | !seen *? |
| 00:54.45 | Thunder_Child | damit purl |
| 00:54.45 | Thunder_Child | ~ping |
| 00:54.51 | purl | ~pong |
| 00:54.52 | mikma | out of pongs |
| 00:54.59 | nspb | im gone from IRC for a few years and look, eggdrop bots are using all kinds of wacky ~!@ symbols |
| 00:55.41 | Jerub | nspb: but they're still written in tcl, so the old ways aren't dead yet. |
| 00:56.45 | nspb | Glad to hear that their complete inaccessibility is retained, even if the familiarity has been compromised |
| 00:57.03 | Thunder_Child | ~cheeseslap nspb |
| 00:57.03 | purl | ACTION slaps nspb around with a wheel of cheddar |
| 00:57.09 | nspb | LOOK GOD DAMMIT SOMEONE HAS TO HAVE OUTFITTER MAKER MAN'S EMAIL ADDRESS I NEED TO SEND HIM A VERY SURLY MISSIVE RE: THE STATE OF HIS MOD |
| 00:57.20 | Jerub | nspb: we can't have just /anyone/ modifying irc bots. that way lays madness. |
| 00:57.22 | Thunder_Child | calm on the caps man |
| 00:57.28 | kd3 | tcl will never die if only for eggdrops |
| 00:57.44 | Liz | Could someone take a quick look at my slash function and help me figure out why it's misbehaving where it is? http://www.pastey.net/126390 |
| 00:58.02 | nspb | Jerub: I had an acquaintance who spent about a year making an irc bot just like eggdrop except everything was in a language called Ruby |
| 00:58.08 | Liz | All behavior explained at the bottom of my code |
| 00:58.17 | nspb | i don't know anything about it but... it sounded pretty daunting, pointless |
| 00:58.40 | Jerub | nspb: yeah, irc bots, blogging engines and rss readers are all solved problems, but people seem to enjoy writing newer, worse, ones. |
| 00:58.41 | Lopeppeppy | nspb, pm him on the site... why would someone help you send him a nastygram? |
| 01:00.04 | nspb | Lopeppeppy: Because I was obviously just kidding about the nastygram bit (nice port-manteau, btw) and I don't know what site you're referring to here; curse.com? |
| 01:00.15 | Thunder_Child | nspb, http://www.curseforge.com/home/send-private-message/?to=Mundocani |
| 01:00.20 | Lopeppeppy | Wherever you're finding the addon, nspb. |
| 01:00.30 | Liz | bump http://www.pastey.net/126390 |
| 01:00.31 | nspb | hah look at you, prince amongst princelets! |
| 01:00.45 | nspb | Thundaboi doin it agin |
| 01:01.18 | Thunder_Child | only to shut you up :p |
| 01:02.09 | nspb | My technique is a little off-colour sometimes, but apparently it gets the job done. |
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| 01:03.01 | Lopeppeppy | Next time, remember what I said and do the work for yourself. It's the obvious route that most people follow when looking for addon authors. |
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| 01:03.25 | nspb | Also look at it this way: were clams not annoyed by grains of sand, pearls of wisdom might never form! |
| 01:03.41 | nspb | Lopeppeppy: Actually, I looked for that very thing for about 4 minutes straight |
| 01:03.53 | Thunder_Child | -_- |
| 01:04.04 | nspb | (you're the clam, btw) |
| 01:05.00 | Lopeppeppy | Giant clams have been known to trap divers and drown them. |
| 01:06.04 | Liz | Aww no one loves troubleshooting my crappy code all day :( |
| 01:06.06 | nspb | Giant clams can live over 150 years, and their size and longevity are both credited to a mutualistic relatioship which they seem to form with a form of cyanobacteria which make the clams' massive shells their home |
| 01:06.18 | Lopeppeppy | mmm, cyanide is good for the soul |
| 01:06.20 | nspb | Liz: If I knew anything about anything, I would |
| 01:06.25 | Liz | If you guys ask easier questions i can try to help out! |
| 01:06.26 | Liz | lol |
| 01:06.29 | Liz | ^.^ |
| 01:06.34 | Lopeppeppy | Liz, it's a weekend. Try again on a weekday, a chunk of coders aren't around over the weekends. |
| 01:06.48 | Liz | huh really? This is the only free time I get :( |
| 01:06.54 | nspb | Liz! I'm so sorry, I'm a taker, not a giver. |
| 01:07.00 | nspb | Er that came out with some innuendo |
| 01:07.06 | Liz | o.o |
| 01:07.08 | nspb | I meant in terms of... help |
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| 01:07.13 | nspb | with stuff |
| 01:07.29 | Jerub | it's a weekend? |
| 01:07.32 | nspb | blushes a wee bit |
| 01:07.35 | Thunder_Child | hands nspb a shovel |
| 01:08.05 | Thunder_Child | Liz, even nights on weekdays has more people |
| 01:13.29 | Jerub | Liz: i would start by checking that that regular expression is working properly and perhaps looking at the values seen in tmp1/tmp2. |
| 01:14.01 | mikma | wobwork1: :DDDDD |
| 01:14.19 | Liz | i'll walk through it again, but it looked like it already was |
| 01:14.51 | Jerub | Liz: it'd throw a print after the if tmp1 == "First"... to make sure you're entering that logic. |
| 01:15.30 | nspb | Liz: I'd have a drink and go for a jaunt to a coffee shop for a quick break, fresh eyes = fresh perspectives! |
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| 01:18.26 | Liz | it looks like it's never entering the elseif msg ~= nil before it parses the string O.o |
| 01:18.58 | Liz | oh god i think i got it sec |
| 01:19.35 | Liz | nope |
| 01:20.01 | Liz | but InterfaceOptionsFrame_OpenToCategory("ShowStatsPlz"); didn't make sense since i'd taken that off |
| 01:21.42 | stavmar | anyone know where teh options on sexymap are to move teh image of the vehicle you are in? |
| 01:21.48 | Liz | o |
| 01:21.59 | Liz | i'm getting somewhere again, thanks for the push guys :D |
| 01:22.33 | Jerub | Liz: nps. |
| 01:22.38 | Jerub | (if only i knew lua) |
| 01:23.08 | Liz | woooo it's workin! |
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| 01:31.44 | Liz | Yaay it all works! thanks again guys :D |
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| 01:40.14 | WobWork1 | mikma: eh whut? |
| 01:40.58 | mikma | wobwork1: scrubs are funny |
| 01:41.42 | WobWork | indeed, but what brought that about? =) |
| 01:42.51 | mikma | just a funny clip from season 4 finale =) |
| 01:44.17 | mikma | jd gets knocked out by basketball and turk lies next to him so people would think they are chilling |
| 01:44.24 | WobWork | so you pinged me to share the joy, eh? =) |
| 01:44.41 | WobWork | jd/turk BFF |
| 01:45.44 | mikma | why of course i pinged you because of that |
| 01:46.51 | mikma | i need someone to share this funny moment |
| 01:47.11 | Jerub | When doing heigan I like to play men in hats - the safety dance over vent. |
| 01:47.24 | Jerub | and I always end up watching turk do his rendition of it on youtube |
| 01:47.37 | Jerub | then watching more scrubs youtube clips |
| 01:48.09 | mikma | i just downloaded all the seasons, yey! |
| 01:48.54 | WobWork | Jerub: It's a vicious circle |
| 01:49.00 | WobWork | I do the same |
| 01:49.10 | WobWork | and it ends up on the Bastard Covered Bastard episode |
| 01:49.12 | Jerub | I play wow in windowed mode on a two monitor setup |
| 01:49.13 | WobWork | because of the whistling |
| 01:49.41 | mikma | only two episodes from the four seasons i have watched have had small hickups, like 1-2 sec skip |
| 01:49.57 | Jerub | it makes gearchecking and watching youtube awesomely easy :) |
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| 01:50.08 | mikma | haha. bcbwbf |
| 01:50.17 | Jerub | my recordings of sseason1/2 are from non-digital TV capture. |
| 01:51.47 | mikma | mmmmm, futurama comålet |
| 01:51.53 | mikma | whoops |
| 01:52.18 | Jerub | what are those stinking foreign characters doing in this channel. |
| 01:52.21 | mikma | complete seasons and scrubs complete seasons dvd box' |
| 01:52.34 | mikma | jerub: blame sweden |
| 01:52.46 | Lopeppeppy | blame canada |
| 01:52.46 | mikma | thats swedish o |
| 01:53.35 | mikma | like, håkan is pronounced hookan |
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| 02:13.48 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: Well I fixed my problem of whether to buy that card or not! |
| 02:14.03 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: One of the 4 LCDs has died. R.I.P. |
| 02:15.22 | Thunder_Child | Thrae, dont you mean 5? |
| 02:15.52 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: Well the 4 cheap 15" LCDs made into a square. The 5th is 2560x1600 30", my primary. |
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| 02:24.01 | Lopeppeppy | Now there is no square! |
| 02:25.04 | Ancu | did you tell it to be there or be square (sorry, couldn't resist bad joke) |
| 02:34.00 | NeoTron | mikma: but calling it a swedish o is rather misleading.. since Sweden has o's and it's really not pronounced like one (thus the separate character ;-) |
| 02:36.02 | batrick | so are there no interesting UI improvements in 3.3? |
| 02:36.31 | Jerub | batrick: well, apart from cross server pugs |
| 02:36.31 | Jerub | ;) |
| 02:36.54 | batrick | hmm... cross server pugs |
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| 02:39.06 | tem | new roll options |
| 02:39.11 | tem | new POI stuff for quests |
| 02:39.16 | tem | pleny cool stuff |
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| 02:45.28 | Dagmar | I'm itchin to get my hands on some new newbs to train |
| 02:52.00 | Ancu | newbs in addons? or newbs in wow? |
| 02:52.23 | Dagmar | Usually newbs to WoW |
| 02:52.42 | Dagmar | THe folks who have friends who have trained them to think you just click as fast as you can and everything sorts itself out |
| 02:52.53 | Dagmar | ,..or who just don't know the ins and outs of the game |
| 02:53.03 | Dagmar | You know, the people standing in the stuff. |
| 02:53.05 | Lopeppeppy | at least, not the ones you think they should know |
| 02:53.21 | Dagmar | I think they should know about a dozen or so things that repeat throughout instances |
| 02:53.35 | Dagmar | Things like "don't rush the tank in threat" |
| 02:53.42 | Ancu | lol |
| 02:53.51 | Ancu | yeah, thats a hard concept to teach |
| 02:53.51 | Lopeppeppy | longtime players do that, why shouldn't they? |
| 02:54.03 | Dagmar | Longtime players can fail just fine... on their own time. |
| 02:54.26 | Lopeppeppy | other players who also think they know how best to play, say the best advice IS to crowd the tank, since it's the tanks job to stay on top. |
| 02:54.31 | Ancu | longtime players shouldnt, I suck at the game, and even I say watch yur agro |
| 02:54.40 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: Those people can't do math. |
| 02:54.46 | Lopeppeppy | It's on EJ, you'll never win. |
| 02:54.54 | Dagmar | If they could do math, they'd understand about standard deviation |
| 02:54.56 | Lopeppeppy | all newbs get spoiled by EJ |
| 02:55.36 | Dagmar | Most of them don't even seem to have the benefit of having read EJ |
| 02:55.59 | Dagmar | THey get the _ultra_ simplfied form of dimwittery by simply repeating what other, very vocal morons think they read on EJ |
| 02:56.19 | Dagmar | Most of EJ I pretty much agree with, but it's easy to misconstrue a lot of ti |
| 02:56.59 | Dagmar | ...which is when you have idiots saying things like "spec a has been nurfd 2 th flooor lol" when BiS shows a 12% difference in projected ideal DPS |
| 02:56.59 | Lopeppeppy | Or just not learn what you think they need to know. Problem is, there are a lot of people who think they need to know something very different. |
| 02:57.16 | Dagmar | My people kill bosses |
| 02:57.34 | Ancu | so do theirs, after 3 wipes |
| 02:57.45 | Dagmar | Hell, I got caught flat-footed by it but I practically tanked Loatheb trash cold last night. |
| 02:57.47 | Dagmar | Well, kikted |
| 02:57.56 | Dagmar | s/kikted/kited/; |
| 02:58.15 | Dagmar | Ancu: I think we've had three fails in a row all of twice in the last year |
| 02:59.00 | Dagmar | Those zombies really made me wish I had some speed boots |
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| 02:59.12 | Dagmar | Next time I'm takin' extra gear. WEll, more extra gear |
| 03:00.03 | Dagmar | Besides which, I plan on beating the new pinatas until I've tapped them out |
| 03:00.14 | Dagmar | I'm going to need non-retarded puggers in my list |
| 03:01.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Stew_a (n=Stewart@unafilliated/stewa/x-008753) |
| 03:02.18 | Ancu | most of my pug groups fail because somone assigns one of the dps as tank |
| 03:03.36 | Ancu | typicaly a dk or hunter pet |
| 03:03.47 | Dagmar | You can tank normal instances with a gorilla |
| 03:03.51 | Dagmar | Not heroics |
| 03:04.08 | Ancu | I heard turtles the best |
| 03:04.16 | Dagmar | Heroics (all of them I suspect, but I've checked seven) seem to have one boss meant to put a stop to that |
| 03:04.31 | Dagmar | THe shell shield doesn't help long enough |
| 03:04.50 | Dagmar | You can time it, but when a boss can two-hit and do 100% of the pet's health, that's pretty much a wipe |
| 03:05.29 | Ancu | i am a hunter, admitadly a huntard, I would improve if I had highspeed though. |
| 03:05.57 | Dagmar | Oh, you *will* want to spec for pet tanking if you're doing that |
| 03:05.58 | Ancu | not avail except via satailite and mabey hussey comunications if I am lucky |
| 03:06.14 | Dagmar | It's substantially harder if you don't take _all_ the talents that magnify pet healing |
| 03:06.27 | Dagmar | Wow, yeah you can't with that connection |
| 03:06.38 | Dagmar | Satellite latency will ruin your reaction time |
| 03:06.51 | Dagmar | Its' bad enough waiting for the monkey to move as it is. It freaks people out |
| 03:07.24 | Dagmar | ...since hte animation doesn't exactly sync with what they're doing, people will see the pet scratchin' it's butt when it's actually attacking |
| 03:07.25 | Ancu | Exactly, but if hussey can service my house, then all I need to do is come up with the starting 200 drop for mats |
| 03:08.08 | Dagmar | We've 4-manned ToC regular with the monkey tanking, just to see if it could. |
| 03:08.11 | Dagmar | It was close tho |
| 03:08.20 | Dagmar | THe final phase of the black knight is a bit of a bitch |
| 03:09.14 | Ancu | can you realy tank in toc? I heard that they made AIs that arnt based on agro |
| 03:09.47 | Dagmar | The jillion ghouls just run anywhere they damn well please, but the rest is doable |
| 03:10.08 | Shirik | oh god, I'm installing Windows Live |
| 03:10.17 | Ancu | uhhhhg, what game |
| 03:10.18 | Shirik | Warning: You need to shut down Ventrilo and mirc! |
| 03:10.20 | Dagmar | Usually that punk paladin the knight turns in the first part spends his whole time in an ice cube |
| 03:10.29 | Shirik | Because, you know, ventrilo and mirc have a HUGE IMPACT on Windows Live |
| 03:10.35 | Dagmar | hheh |
| 03:10.42 | *** join/#wowuidev Ycarene (i=jporterf@24.116.56.41) |
| 03:11.02 | Lopeppeppy | Must not be able to communicate with anyone outside of Windows Live! |
| 03:11.16 | Dagmar | Last night I learned that I can no longer get away with continuing DPS during the safety dance |
| 03:11.17 | Thunder_Child | they do Shirik, they are both comm programs that do not follow the holy MS rules |
| 03:11.25 | Shirik | ok |
| 03:11.34 | Shirik | then how do you justify it telling me to close calculator? |
| 03:11.34 | Dagmar | It's only during install |
| 03:11.49 | Dagmar | They want all apps closed because they have a crappy file locking implementation |
| 03:11.57 | Dagmar | Something might be using a file they need and it'll fail the install |
| 03:13.29 | Dagmar | Both times through Heigan I had the f**ker come after me at the end of the dance |
| 03:13.48 | Ancu | that sux |
| 03:14.04 | Ancu | I have wanted to do the safty dance since my friend told me about it |
| 03:14.09 | Dagmar | Well, it's annoying, but I'm not in the business of worshipping recount so it's only a minor irritation |
| 03:14.25 | Ancu | any word on what instances they plan to keep in old world? |
| 03:14.33 | Dagmar | I was just embarrased to see I'd passed threat because all my shots but one are just about instant |
| 03:14.35 | Lopeppeppy | Not yet, ancu |
| 03:14.54 | Dagmar | I'd run to the next zone, slap the dummy dps macro, run again, click, run again, click |
| 03:15.22 | Dagmar | I soooo love my G15 (1st edition) |
| 03:15.40 | Dagmar | Smack G9 for feign death |
| 03:16.12 | Dagmar | I gotta say tho, I still love KT |
| 03:16.14 | Dagmar | THat is fun |
| 03:16.30 | Ancu | how do you do the gold text thing lope and dagmar? |
| 03:16.37 | Dagmar | All I gotta do is pick of skellies and banshees |
| 03:16.41 | Ancu | Its been a while since I used mirc |
| 03:16.44 | Dagmar | gold text>? |
| 03:17.16 | mikma | noob |
| 03:17.43 | Ancu | It seems like a tell, your name apears in bold gold. But I tried the msg command, and it pulled up a sperate im window |
| 03:18.24 | Dagmar | I've no idea what you're seeing there. I used a text-based client. |
| 03:18.34 | Dagmar | Ancu: Are you talking about this? |
| 03:18.45 | Ancu | yes |
| 03:18.47 | Dagmar | It would be your client highlighting things to get your attention when someone says your name. |
| 03:18.54 | Dagmar | ...or anything it thinks might be your name,. |
| 03:19.07 | mikma | like so, ancu, lol |
| 03:19.35 | Ancu | I see, sorry, I never used pidgin for irc before. I used mirc and trillian in the past |
| 03:19.47 | Lopeppeppy | Trillian doesn't highlight, that I've ever found. |
| 03:19.57 | Shirik | Trillian is evil |
| 03:19.57 | Thunder_Child | it can |
| 03:20.04 | Lopeppeppy | Works for me, Shirik-dear. |
| 03:20.05 | Shirik | it's ok for other services, but for IRC it's kinda crap |
| 03:20.17 | mikma | shirik: and arthur sucks |
| 03:20.17 | Shirik | at least it was a few years ago |
| 03:20.21 | Shirik | I haven't tried it recently |
| 03:20.29 | mikma | shirik: ford is a dork |
| 03:20.41 | Dagmar | I was impressed we pulled off Four Horseman using what I thought was a 25-man only techniuqe |
| 03:20.43 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan@c-76-107-191-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 03:20.47 | Dagmar | I was all ready to do the tank swap thing |
| 03:20.55 | Lopeppeppy | It's not great for IRC, because it's not an IRC client. But it's good enough for anyone who's not a super-user. |
| 03:20.58 | Shirik | Hm, only Microsoft would be able to go "Hey, you're updating Windows Live. Would you like to install these other 500 programs too?" |
| 03:21.30 | mikma | linux is as evil |
| 03:21.36 | Dagmar | hahaha no |
| 03:21.46 | mikma | when you install it it installs lots of programs with the core |
| 03:21.50 | Ancu | linux is not evil |
| 03:22.04 | mikma | i tell you, evil! |
| 03:22.17 | Ancu | tough to learn if your brain leaks unused code like a net leaks water, but not evil |
| 03:22.57 | mikma | ~evul |
| 03:23.08 | Shirik | Linux is, tbh, incredibly bloated and overrated |
| 03:23.13 | Shirik | that being said, I use it |
| 03:23.20 | Ancu | Why do you say it is evil? |
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| 03:23.48 | mikma | well if you install ie. ubuntu, you get lots of shit like, gui and stuff |
| 03:23.56 | mikma | evil |
| 03:24.05 | Ancu | IE is evil, use fire fox |
| 03:24.28 | ccox | Linux isn't evil - it's just the kernel of evil |
| 03:24.30 | ccox | :-) |
| 03:24.38 | Ancu | IE is a "Please rape me I am open" service |
| 03:24.54 | ccox | IE is the tri-delt of browsers |
| 03:25.22 | Dagmar | I want a killbit editor |
| 03:25.26 | Lopeppeppy | Ancu, not funny, find another comparison, okay? |
| 03:25.31 | Dagmar | So I can set killbits on *all* of ActiveX |
| 03:25.51 | mikma | random funnt fact: if we take a word "äidinkieli" which basicly means "native language" and do a translation to english we get "motherstongue" xD |
| 03:26.07 | mikma | funnt=funny |
| 03:26.21 | Dagmar | Language of our progenitors |
| 03:26.49 | Jerub | sigh. after getting all teh 'correct' enchants i'm back down to only 36khp |
| 03:27.04 | mikma | poor baby |
| 03:27.15 | mikma | i have 36.9k hp! |
| 03:27.30 | Jerub | mikma: is that with or without DoFK? |
| 03:27.40 | Ancu | Lopeppeppey: Sorry, will try in the future, but its hard to come up with an equivilant. All I mean is that it has so many open hooks that hacking it is easy. For those that practice such I mean. |
| 03:27.54 | mikma | jerub: remind me again wtf is that |
| 03:28.03 | Jerub | uh, drums of the forgotten kings. |
| 03:28.12 | mikma | without, unbuffed |
| 03:28.18 | Jerub | my definition of unbuffed now includes 8% kings |
| 03:28.25 | Jerub | because there's no reason, ever, to not have it. |
| 03:28.34 | mikma | i play a dk |
| 03:28.35 | Lopeppeppy | Then say just that, Ancu, no need for anything else. *smile* |
| 03:28.43 | Jerub | mikma: no reason to not have drums. |
| 03:28.50 | Jerub | drusm of the wild and drums of forgotten kings. |
| 03:28.51 | Codayus_ | Mmm, do you include runescrolls of fort too? |
| 03:29.18 | mikma | jerub: i know, but i say unbuffed, it actually is, just my presence on =) |
| 03:29.33 | Codayus_ | And I think unbuffed still means just that. Maybe you should include it as your selfbuffed max hp. :) |
| 03:29.45 | mikma | 47.7k with prettu much all possible buffs |
| 03:29.56 | Codayus_ | Pft, not breaking 50k? Reroll druid. |
| 03:30.16 | Jerub | ! |
| 03:30.28 | mikma | i have a druid, too, that i dont play |
| 03:30.31 | Jerub | I do now! |
| 03:30.40 | mikma | brfb, taking wife to school |
| 03:32.56 | Ancu | dont supose anyone wants to tutor me in addon creation? I dont want to relearn web codeing to learn xml. I never use that stuff anymore, so I can't keep it in my head |
| 03:33.32 | Lopeppeppy | you dont have to use xml for addons if you don't want to. |
| 03:33.40 | Jerub | Ancu: xml looks like <foo bar="baz">foo</foo>. there, you've learned xml. |
| 03:33.41 | Lopeppeppy | ~wowprogramming |
| 03:33.42 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 03:33.54 | A-KO | great book IMO |
| 03:34.07 | A-KO | learned a lot of stuff from it |
| 03:34.15 | A-KO | there's another one that's out now also but isn't as good |
| 03:34.28 | A-KO | and I thnk the update to this one comes out in a few months, but I probably won't get it, as the website is updated often enough |
| 03:37.50 | Kraps | hey all |
| 03:38.02 | Ancu | "Price: $25.19 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25." so this item alone is avail for super saver by 19 cents? lol |
| 03:38.30 | Lopeppeppy | tax is a wonderful thing sometimes? |
| 03:40.56 | Kraps | is it normal for TF2 and counterstrike to crash regularly? |
| 03:41.47 | Jerub | Kraps: no. get a real computer. |
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| 03:43.18 | Ancu | I never have them crash, and im running on single core <2ghz and 1G ram |
| 03:43.39 | A-KO | poor computer hardware ftw |
| 03:43.43 | Kraps | my computer is fine |
| 03:43.49 | A-KO | negative |
| 03:43.56 | A-KO | if the games are crashing, your computer is not fine |
| 03:43.57 | Kraps | its less that a year old |
| 03:44.01 | A-KO | so? |
| 03:44.04 | A-KO | age means nothing |
| 03:44.08 | Kraps | xps 630 |
| 03:44.09 | Ancu | agreed |
| 03:44.10 | Dagmar | Is it dumping you from the server or just exploding off your screen? |
| 03:44.21 | Dagmar | If it's the former, set process affinity |
| 03:44.28 | Dagmar | WEll, if you have dual-core |
| 03:44.49 | Dagmar | Punkbuster, last I checked, tends to get upset about timestamps on things due to differences between the two cores |
| 03:44.54 | A-KO | odd |
| 03:44.57 | A-KO | I don't have that problem :/ |
| 03:45.01 | Dagmar | Generally if this is going on, you'll be booted within minutes |
| 03:45.08 | Kraps | no the whole game crashes |
| 03:45.16 | Dagmar | Hmmm... |
| 03:45.29 | A-KO | Kraps: Could be low power to the video card, poor components, etc. |
| 03:45.31 | A-KO | anything really |
| 03:45.36 | A-KO | if it's Dell and still under warranty contact them |
| 03:46.31 | Ancu | I had a dead fan in a previous laptop, It kiked my games every once in a while because the gpu overheated |
| 03:46.48 | A-KO | laptops are still notoriously bad for gaming short of getting one of those huge ass alienware ones |
| 03:47.06 | Kraps | ok its just over a year old |
| 03:47.11 | A-KO | they probably do some light game testing the lab on everything else but unless it's sold as a "hardcore gamer laptop", it's probably not tested as such |
| 03:47.15 | A-KO | so can do all sorts of weird shit |
| 03:47.29 | Ancu | And I should specify that I was thinking TFC not TF2. if they are sorce games, then the problem is you prob got a cheep emachine |
| 03:47.33 | Jerub | the gpu in my powermac hits 75 degrees playing wow |
| 03:47.39 | A-KO | eh 75C isn't bad |
| 03:47.46 | A-KO | GPUs can withstand over 100C |
| 03:47.57 | Ancu | nothing aginst emachines, just the cheep boxes are ceep for a reason |
| 03:48.20 | Ancu | Need to get a GPU for grams |
| 03:48.26 | Kraps | Ancu: cheap |
| 03:48.30 | Kraps | :) |
| 03:48.43 | Jerub | cheep cheep |
| 03:48.53 | Ancu | thanks, huked un funix werked fer me |
| 03:49.02 | Kraps | kewl |
| 03:49.46 | Ancu | in this case literaly, i was taught to read via phonics. Great for reading, but do you know how hard it is to spell useing phonics? |
| 03:50.01 | Lopeppeppy | m r dux. |
| 03:50.06 | Lopeppeppy | c d e d b d feet |
| 03:50.40 | Ancu | that just cofused me and hurt my head |
| 03:50.47 | Jerub | heh, i was taught to spell by pedants on irc channels. |
| 03:51.02 | Ancu | lol |
| 03:51.06 | Jerub | (no, seriously, i was) |
| 03:51.28 | Ancu | I am learning from wow people shouting at me for spelling errors |
| 03:51.47 | Dagmar | WTF |
| 03:51.51 | Jerub | I did that last night. someone was getting up someone else for spelling errors saying they had 'bad grammer'. |
| 03:51.56 | Dagmar | Surely not the people in trade chat |
| 03:52.01 | Jerub | I couldn't not correct him. Grammar. |
| 03:52.11 | Dagmar | Most of them are barely able to read, let alone spell |
| 03:52.28 | Ancu | thats the main reason I even ever play on RP servers. Have people to yell at me for spelling errors. |
| 03:52.38 | Dagmar | Ahh |
| 03:52.53 | Ancu | not to mention I love to RP, and all my RP forums died |
| 03:53.05 | Dagmar | Frankly Id' be on an RP server were it not for the people who take RP seriously and do it badly. |
| 03:53.30 | Lopeppeppy | There are no RP servers, just some servers where the naming conventions are sometimes enforced. |
| 03:53.34 | Dagmar | If you're on an RP server and you say "thou" you should take your head out of your butt. |
| 03:53.56 | Jerub | i never got what the deal was with rp servers. i saw them in the server list and it confused me. |
| 03:54.04 | Jerub | does it mean "people who read the quest text" or something? |
| 03:54.14 | Ancu | lol, the thing with RP servers is that they only ever RP in GC |
| 03:54.43 | Dagmar | Some folks prefer to behave like a dwarf or a nightelf and take that cultural thing seriously. |
| 03:54.50 | Ancu | RP, as in interact with others as though your chacter is who you are |
| 03:54.52 | Dagmar | I prefer to be racist towards blood elves. |
| 03:54.54 | Lopeppeppy | Jerub, if you don't get it, just don't roll on one, simple |
| 03:55.26 | Ancu | I like to be a BE racist aginst NE |
| 03:55.33 | Ancu | I hate night elves |
| 03:55.50 | Ancu | They skin my kills just after I loot them |
| 03:56.21 | Jerub | Lopeppeppy: I mean, uh, I have been unable to discover any readable information about why one would chose to play on an RP server. |
| 03:56.33 | Dagmar | Ancu: Can *you* skin them? |
| 03:56.39 | Ancu | Yes |
| 03:56.43 | Lopeppeppy | jerub, then don't roll on one. |
| 03:56.46 | Jerub | Lopeppeppy: there was non available in the wow client or in the manual at the time when I started playing, and I've not seen any since... |
| 03:57.02 | Lopeppeppy | There is no readable "Blizz" info about it that way. They didn't exist when the manual was written |
| 03:57.15 | Lopeppeppy | Go look up D&D instead, you'll get further. |
| 03:57.33 | Jerub | I've play my fair share of dnd. |
| 03:57.55 | Dagmar | There's a lot of RPer on NWN and NWN2 servers |
| 03:57.57 | Lopeppeppy | It's a chance to do that while playing wow, that's all. Play out your character versus just smash some buttons. |
| 03:58.02 | Ancu | lol, It is fun to rp in wow. I have done, and enjoyed it. But I like my server that I am nested in better and never stay on one for mor then a month |
| 03:58.17 | Dagmar | If you get married in a game, you need a life. |
| 03:58.19 | Dagmar | Not RP. |
| 03:58.27 | Dagmar | I'm just sayin'. |
| 03:59.28 | Ancu | Ummm, but nested I mean have friends in. I dont do the whole marry in game thing |
| 04:00.35 | mikma | hah |
| 04:00.36 | Ancu | is anyone here on a 64 bit windows box? |
| 04:01.00 | mikma | you went from tf2 errors -> spelling -> rp servers |
| 04:01.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: okay, <3 for your cooldown addon |
| 04:01.10 | mikma | good stuff, assmonkeys |
| 04:01.25 | Jerub | ScytheBlade1: url? I'm interested. |
| 04:01.45 | ScytheBlade1 | !g sexycooldown curse |
| 04:01.46 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: SexyCooldown - Addons - Curse <http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/sexycooldown.aspx> |
| 04:02.00 | Jerub | I'm using qwartz atm. |
| 04:02.14 | Ancu | Is it light weight? I need to replace omniCC |
| 04:02.18 | Dagmar | Quartz here, too. |
| 04:02.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 04:02.24 | Dagmar | ...and I don't care if it eats mah frames |
| 04:02.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 04:02.33 | Jerub | wait, is the addon named qwartz or quartz? |
| 04:02.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm not really qualified to answer |
| 04:02.39 | ScytheBlade1 | quartz |
| 04:02.45 | Jerub | k |
| 04:02.55 | Jerub | oh, that's the logarithmic one. i should try that |
| 04:03.01 | ScytheBlade1 | It is quite nice |
| 04:03.03 | Dagmar | ...although it appears that sexycooldown is something else entirely. Pretty |
| 04:03.08 | Ancu | Anyone wana look over my addon list and see if they came make the load lighter? |
| 04:03.49 | Jerub | also, i'm after more ui conversion recommendations. I've been playing with spartanui, but I'm not extremely happy with the way it does party/target frames |
| 04:03.50 | Dagmar | blarney: This depends on what load you're talking about |
| 04:04.02 | mikma | ancu: wtf?? "need to replace omnicc" |
| 04:04.09 | mikma | wtf is wrong with you |
| 04:04.34 | Ancu | omniCC is heavy on my frames |
| 04:04.39 | Dagmar | s/blarney/Ancu/; (this is why I don't trust nick complete) |
| 04:04.43 | Jerub | oooh, this sexycooldown thing looks good enough to potnetially remove my need for BadKitty |
| 04:04.55 | mikma | no, omnicc is not heavy on your frames |
| 04:05.17 | Dagmar | Omnicc doesn't do a whole lot in realtime that I'm aware of |
| 04:05.18 | Ancu | +*6 |
| 04:05.41 | Ancu | ignore previous post, unitentional |
| 04:05.47 | mikma | omnicc does exatcly what it should |
| 04:05.51 | Ancu | the +*6 i mean |
| 04:06.12 | Dagmar | Quartz on the other hand will redraw lots if you have it doing lots of things |
| 04:06.19 | Ancu | let me pull up my list |
| 04:06.19 | Dagmar | ...but it's still not that terribly much |
| 04:06.34 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1: Glad you like it. |
| 04:06.39 | Jerub | so yeah, other recommendations, spartanui? something else? |
| 04:06.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I do |
| 04:06.49 | Dagmar | Ancu: You didn't just go and download a whole crapload of things and turn them all on or something did you? |
| 04:07.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Tweaked it a fair bit from defaults, but it is quite nice |
| 04:07.18 | Antiarc | Good, it's supposed to be tweakable :D |
| 04:07.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Going to be invaluable for swiftmend among others |
| 04:07.41 | Dagmar | Ancu: IF your |
| 04:07.57 | Dagmar | Ancu: IF you're into rebuilding your unit frames from scratch, you might want to try PitBull4 |
| 04:07.59 | mikma | i used omnicc_light for a very long time |
| 04:08.05 | Ancu | seperated by first letter: |
| 04:08.11 | mikma | now i am using inlineaura |
| 04:08.12 | Ancu | ACP |
| 04:08.12 | Ancu | Advanced Trade Skill Window |
| 04:08.12 | Ancu | Armory |
| 04:08.12 | Ancu | Auctioneer Suite |
| 04:08.12 | Ancu | AutoGrats |
| 04:08.14 | Dagmar | You can turn off a crapload of things you don't care about, and cut the unit frames down to just what you need to see and nothing else |
| 04:08.26 | WobWork | Ancu: I'm on Win7 64 |
| 04:08.36 | Ancu | And no, I downloaded these slowly and took tiem to tweak each one |
| 04:08.36 | mikma | wobwork: hahahahahahahahahahaaha |
| 04:08.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Ancu: yeah, don't do that. List them all in a text file and post that somewhere |
| 04:09.09 | WobWork | mikma: Laughter without context is like a penguin without cheesecake |
| 04:09.21 | mikma | wobwork: i like cheesecake |
| 04:09.31 | mikma | they are awesome |
| 04:09.43 | mikma | wobwork: highfive! |
| 04:10.05 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1: I just commited event types for target/focus buffs >_> |
| 04:10.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Only going to use it for my own cooldowns |
| 04:10.50 | Antiarc | http://static.curseforge.net/thumbman/images/17/512/600x151/WoWScrnShot_101109_134215.jpg.-m1.png |
| 04:10.55 | Antiarc | That's how I have it set up on mine :D |
| 04:11.01 | Antiarc | Self buffs, cooldowns, and target debuffs |
| 04:11.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, mine is a lot smaller |
| 04:11.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Top to bottom, few hundred pixels, right aligned and transparent when idle |
| 04:11.33 | ScytheBlade1 | 60s total duration too |
| 04:11.53 | mikma | neotron: too much stuff moving, unable to concentrate, erroe, error, kill author! |
| 04:12.02 | mikma | lol what |
| 04:12.13 | Codayus_ | Hmmm |
| 04:12.14 | mikma | neotron -> antiarc |
| 04:12.32 | mikma | there we go, credit to the correct victim |
| 04:12.39 | Codayus_ | Just tried out Sexyooldown. It's full of win. |
| 04:12.46 | mikma | neotron: nvm, you suck balls |
| 04:12.48 | ScytheBlade1 | ooldown! |
| 04:12.57 | Codayus_ | Meh |
| 04:13.00 | mikma | SexyOomdown |
| 04:13.08 | Codayus_ | Too early in the afternoon to spell correctly. |
| 04:13.10 | Antiarc | mikma: Heh, it works for me :D |
| 04:13.16 | Antiarc | It's better than giant stacks of bars |
| 04:13.38 | Codayus_ | Yes. |
| 04:13.40 | mikma | antiarc: you are a rogue, one of the faceroll characters! |
| 04:13.51 | Codayus_ | Also, some of the cooldown mods floating around are terribad. |
| 04:13.55 | Codayus_ | I've been using DoTimer. >.> |
| 04:13.58 | Antiarc | I'm a rogue, paladin, priest, and warrior |
| 04:14.08 | mikma | antiarc: 1) put face on the keyboard 2) roll face on keyboard 3) profit |
| 04:14.08 | Antiarc | Those are my 80s, at least. |
| 04:14.37 | Dagmar | I thought rogues only had to use their nose on the stunlock macro |
| 04:14.46 | mikma | i want to see how that shit works while tanking as dk |
| 04:15.12 | Dagmar | I use Deathknight.info for those |
| 04:15.52 | mikma | oh, Face Smasher in curse = <3 |
| 04:16.00 | mikma | wobwork: you should try it too |
| 04:16.31 | Dagmar | I like that addon |
| 04:16.38 | Dagmar | It's good training wheels |
| 04:16.39 | Ancu | ScytheBlade1: Is facebook an okay post it, or is this an anti FB crowd? |
| 04:16.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd just run with http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ |
| 04:16.59 | mikma | dagmar: weird thing is that even [ammo] likes it |
| 04:17.29 | mikma | ancu: dont paste there |
| 04:17.48 | mikma | ancu: try: http://isucklol.pastey.net |
| 04:18.54 | Ancu | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/126398-49sz already pasted it here |
| 04:19.04 | mikma | oh no =( |
| 04:19.16 | mikma | you can still fix it |
| 04:19.16 | Ancu | what? |
| 04:20.26 | Ancu | Let me find a place to host a screen shot of the results, I did some major stuff |
| 04:21.21 | Jerub | I only just got my beartank working properly, and for the first time since I started using wow, I have an actual honest to goodness rotation. |
| 04:22.25 | mikma | http://bayimg.com/ |
| 04:22.44 | mikma | http://pastebay.com/ |
| 04:24.02 | mikma | oh, wow... http://slopsbox.com/ |
| 04:24.06 | mikma | thats awesome |
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| 04:28.00 | Ancu | never mind the image, my dialup is failing to upload anything tonivhge |
| 04:28.12 | Mike-N-Go | ~pat ancu |
| 04:28.13 | purl | ACTION pats ancu and says "Nicely Done!" |
| 04:28.22 | Ancu | tonight* |
| 04:28.59 | Mike-N-Go | !print(2) |
| 04:29.20 | Mike-N-Go | How was it we used the bot for Lua? |
| 04:29.24 | Ancu | So what do we think of my addon list |
| 04:29.44 | Mike-N-Go | Ancu: Re-link please, just got in. |
| 04:30.12 | Ancu | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/126398-49sz |
| 04:30.26 | mikma | lua> print("ass") |
| 04:30.26 | lua_bot | mikma: ass |
| 04:30.50 | Mike-N-Go | lua> print("says hi to mikma") |
| 04:30.50 | lua_bot | Mike-N-Go: says hi to mikma |
| 04:31.35 | Mike-N-Go | Ancu: Were you planning on adding a short description to the list? |
| 04:32.06 | Ancu | wich addon do you want to know about? |
| 04:33.05 | Mike-N-Go | Ancu: I do not rember what each and every addon in the list does, because I have not played in the last 5 or so months. |
| 04:33.17 | Mike-N-Go | Where did you intend to publish the list |
| 04:33.56 | Ancu | sorry, but that was just a throw together list, I will refine it in the future |
| 04:35.03 | Mike-N-Go | A short description even if it is the 'note' from the .toc should help the reader get the just of what the addon does. |
| 04:35.12 | Kraps | 1 to 1, the idiot and the GM |
| 04:35.14 | Kraps | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/1/20462446257-lol--blizz.html |
| 04:36.52 | Mike-N-Go | And you might want to add a direct link to the link where they are hosted. |
| 04:38.03 | mikma | kraps: nice rant actually |
| 04:38.18 | Kraps | thats why its 1 for 1 |
| 04:38.39 | Kraps | 1 for the rant and 1 for Zar |
| 04:39.03 | mikma | he had amazing points written down |
| 04:40.58 | mikma | also, what is hyperbole |
| 04:43.41 | Codayus_ | Not knowing what hyperbole is makes you the single most stupid person on the entire planet that has EVER LIVED. |
| 04:43.48 | Codayus_ | ^ That |
| 04:43.51 | Codayus_ | :) |
| 04:44.08 | mikma | ok, but what is it |
| 04:44.26 | Fisker | orders mikma a thousand liters of milk |
| 04:44.37 | mikma | nom! |
| 04:44.45 | mikma | i like milk more than cola nowadays |
| 04:44.56 | Codayus_ | Hmmm |
| 04:44.58 | Fisker | aww |
| 04:45.07 | Codayus_ | The world neews caffinated milk. |
| 04:45.11 | Fisker | they haven't blocked pastebay for piracy yet |
| 04:45.12 | Fisker | yarrrrrr |
| 04:45.12 | Codayus_ | needs, even |
| 04:45.27 | WobWork | ... it doesn't have it? |
| 04:45.41 | WobWork | cause..like.. we buy ice coffee in cartons all the time? |
| 04:45.43 | Fisker | well it's operated by TPB right? |
| 04:45.46 | Fisker | Then it must have it |
| 04:45.46 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 04:47.19 | Codayus_ | I visited the site, and randomly clicked a link under recent posts: http://pastebay.com/60599 |
| 04:47.46 | Codayus_ | It has links to warez. (Well, presumably.) |
| 04:48.10 | Codayus_ | Based on my extensive sample, I can safely say that 100% of the content of pastebay is piracy related. |
| 04:49.10 | mikma | codayus_: its 100% unsensored pastey |
| 04:49.45 | mikma | uncensored* =/ |
| 04:49.46 | Fisker | and my ISP needs to block it |
| 04:50.17 | Fisker | Because even though they only legally are required to block TPB they took it upon themselves to block pretty much anything made by them ,3 |
| 04:50.29 | Fisker | infact why are they even blocking the site? |
| 04:50.43 | WobWork | "Lite White" is a abomination unto cows |
| 04:50.43 | Codayus_ | Yeah, way to miss the joke mikma. |
| 04:50.57 | mikma | ha, ha, ha |
| 04:51.11 | mikma | (maniac mansion 2 laughbox) |
| 04:51.17 | Fisker | They could just block teh tracker |
| 04:51.18 | Fisker | durr |
| 04:51.20 | Fisker | hurr |
| 04:51.22 | Fisker | derp derp derp |
| 04:51.50 | mikma | or, just block you |
| 04:52.03 | Codayus_ | Hm, there's been someone spamming trade for the past 20 minutes looking for a geared priest healer for ToGC 10. |
| 04:52.24 | Codayus_ | On the one hand, I'm a geared priest healer. On the other hand, I can just imagine the absolute joy of a pug ToGC 10 run. >.> |
| 04:52.30 | mikma | ha, ha, ha |
| 04:52.51 | Fisker | or just fucking kill google |
| 04:53.31 | mikma | dun dun duuuun |
| 04:53.33 | Jerub | Codayus_: if it were a guild needing a 10th man. sure. |
| 04:53.57 | Jerub | my best runs have been, "our guild is 1 short of a 10man run, will you please?" |
| 04:54.13 | Codayus_ | Jerub: Two different people have said something on trade so far, both are in different guilds which I know don't run ToGC normally. >.> |
| 04:55.25 | Jerub | also, is it bad that when i pug heroics i gearcheck everyone before i invite them to the group? |
| 04:55.54 | Jerub | (I use quickarmory to just check to see if they've got at least NToC gear. |
| 04:55.57 | Codayus_ | Mmm |
| 04:56.07 | mikma | jerub: LFM_Sniffer <3 |
| 04:56.19 | Jerub | mikma: how does that work? |
| 04:56.34 | mikma | go and see from wowinterface.com |
| 04:57.06 | Jerub | looks |
| 04:57.15 | Codayus_ | *shrug* I don't tend to gear check, but then, I always just pug a couple DPS if I'm pugging at all. It's amazing how well a good tank/healer combo can carry crap DPS through the current heroic content. |
| 04:57.59 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 04:58.01 | Jerub | I usually pug as a healer, and it's amazing how a good healer can carry a crap tank and dps through heroic content. |
| 04:58.05 | Jerub | ;) |
| 04:58.07 | WobWork | this ^ |
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| 04:58.18 | Codayus_ | "Random mage appears to be....lost or afk. Anyone seen him?" "Naa, just pull the boss, hill show up eventually." |
| 04:58.24 | WobWork | I'm usually playing as a healer or tank |
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| 04:59.07 | mikma | well, me and wife usually take people needing gear/badges and take them to heroics |
| 04:59.34 | mikma | she plays a druid healer and i play a dk tank |
| 04:59.56 | mikma | oh, and her offspec is tank, haha |
| 05:00.01 | Jerub | how does it get a gearscore at long range? |
| 05:00.24 | mikma | our guilds first toc10hc kill was us two tanking |
| 05:00.25 | Jerub | mikma: yeah, my wife is MS pally tank, but she's not confident enough to lead pugs |
| 05:00.28 | mikma | priceless |
| 05:00.34 | Jerub | mikma: oh you've done that too? |
| 05:00.39 | Jerub | we raid as MT/OT |
| 05:00.57 | mikma | she usually heals |
| 05:01.07 | Jerub | 4 horsemen and the polarity bosses in naxx are a fucking dream with two tanks in the same room. |
| 05:01.13 | mikma | but the mt couldnt come in the toc10hc and we tanked =D |
| 05:01.15 | WobWork | Jerub: gearscore is part of the lfg api |
| 05:01.26 | Jerub | WobWork: interesting, but it's not exposed in the default ui? |
| 05:01.28 | Codayus_ | Huh, amazing. |
| 05:01.48 | Ancu | Okay people, we ready for my opinion on the afor posted rant/ |
| 05:01.50 | WobWork | Thaddius isn't too difficult tankwise |
| 05:01.55 | WobWork | the raid just has to not fail |
| 05:02.02 | Ancu | ?* |
| 05:02.16 | WobWork | four horsemen, it's the same, just keep track of your own debuffs and you can move where you will |
| 05:02.25 | Jerub | WobWork: oh, he's not difficult, but it's nice to have precise timing. |
| 05:02.36 | WobWork | I <3 tanking on thaddius |
| 05:02.48 | WobWork | I spend the first half of the encounter going "WHEEEEEE!" |
| 05:03.10 | mikma | i just love tanking anything with dk |
| 05:03.20 | WobWork | then the second half faceplanted cause a raid member failed =P |
| 05:03.25 | mikma | especially with blood spec and single target |
| 05:03.38 | Ancu | People need to accept what I have been telling my friends since wrath released. WoW is going to the casual gamer. And by casual gamer I mean the ones who play zuma. They are hoping to learn from their mistakes and start over with the currently unnamed mmo |
| 05:03.42 | Jerub | i want to get another tanking class to 80 :/ |
| 05:03.47 | WobWork | what is this... single target... tanking business? |
| 05:04.17 | mikma | wobwork: ya, its alot of that |
| 05:04.21 | Kraps | lie to me has defiantly taken a darker turn this season |
| 05:04.37 | mikma | wobwork: only heroics require aoe tanking and blood is aweful in that |
| 05:04.56 | WobWork | eh, all the trash |
| 05:05.04 | mikma | wobwork: but slap me a 1 mob and i sure in hell get to keep the aggro =D |
| 05:05.15 | WobWork | actually most ulduar trash is single target |
| 05:05.20 | Jerub | beartanking is werid. there's only 1 useful aoe and 1 useful aoe threat |
| 05:05.33 | mikma | i tend to steal aggro from the mt palatank in longer fights |
| 05:05.38 | WobWork | Jerub: I always wonder how a bear can swipe 360 degrees standing still |
| 05:05.50 | WobWork | just -what- is that bear spinning on? |
| 05:06.00 | mikma | powerdrill |
| 05:06.14 | WobWork | all four paws out, spinning like a shuriken |
| 05:06.15 | mikma | industrial-powerdrill |
| 05:06.22 | WobWork | Frisbear |
| 05:06.31 | mikma | wrooooooooooooooooooooooooooom |
| 05:06.40 | mikma | i just had a vision of that |
| 05:06.45 | Jerub | also, i had *no* idea that FFF should be in the bear tanking rotation. |
| 05:06.46 | mikma | beariken |
| 05:06.57 | Jerub | goes to show how few abilities the bear really has :/ |
| 05:07.09 | WobWork | it's true |
| 05:07.18 | WobWork | swipeswipeswipeswipeswipe |
| 05:07.18 | mikma | 4? |
| 05:07.20 | WobWork | (roar) |
| 05:07.33 | mikma | mangle, swipe, bash, ... |
| 05:07.42 | Jerub | maul, mangle, FFF, lacerate, swipe |
| 05:07.47 | Jerub | bash is only used as an interrupt. |
| 05:07.55 | mikma | FFF=fairiefire? |
| 05:08.02 | Jerub | yeah. feral fairie fire. |
| 05:08.06 | WobWork | feralfaeriefire |
| 05:08.33 | WobWork | it's aggro =) |
| 05:08.41 | Jerub | also damage! |
| 05:08.48 | Ancu | I havent loged into the wow forums in so long, that I still had an alli as my avi |
| 05:08.49 | Jerub | it's more damage than lacerate! |
| 05:08.50 | mikma | jerub: having the passive skill macroed in actionbuttons = priceless |
| 05:09.03 | Jerub | mikma: ... genius. i'm doing that now. |
| 05:09.16 | Ancu | I havent played alli since BC |
| 05:09.24 | mikma | jerub: use /cast !thatspell |
| 05:09.25 | Jerub | oh, and enrage and savage roar |
| 05:09.30 | WobWork | don't do it ancu =( the forums are a terrible place |
| 05:09.32 | Jerub | mikma: what does ! do? |
| 05:09.37 | mikma | always keeps it on and never toggles it off |
| 05:09.42 | WobWork | casts it, and doesn't uncast it |
| 05:09.47 | Jerub | <3 |
| 05:10.06 | Jerub | I havemy dodge trinket on lacerate. |
| 05:10.24 | Jerub | i might just turn every button into a macro that does /cast !maul and the trinket |
| 05:10.33 | mikma | yeah, "/cast !" is awesome |
| 05:10.52 | mikma | i use rune strike in all my melee abilities |
| 05:11.17 | mikma | jerub: i had my bear spells like that |
| 05:11.26 | mikma | except - the trinket |
| 05:11.41 | Jerub | maul does so much freaking damage. |
| 05:11.46 | mikma | but /cast !Maul in all the abilities |
| 05:11.49 | Jerub | and i've got the maul glyph |
| 05:11.56 | mikma | aye =) |
| 05:11.58 | Jerub | incidentally, I can't decide to glyph for cat or bear. |
| 05:12.00 | mikma | 2 targets |
| 05:12.22 | Jerub | is it normal to want to have a stack of glyphs in your inventory and reglyph mid-instance? |
| 05:12.22 | mikma | swipe with maul macroes = pewpew |
| 05:12.28 | Jerub | (I've not done this, but it's tempting) |
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| 05:16.22 | mikma | heheheheeeeed, the doggy is sleeping on the bed, legs stretched out straight. and the cat is sleeping between the front and back -legs, against the dogs tummy |
| 05:18.00 | Jerub | mikma: pics or it didn't happen |
| 05:19.11 | mikma | dont have camera now but i show what happened moment ago... |
| 05:19.35 | mikma | actually |
| 05:19.44 | mikma | its happening atm, again... |
| 05:20.07 | mikma | http://irc-galleria.net/user/Mikma/picture/89307436 |
| 05:20.33 | mikma | pretty much 1:1, except the cat is against the tummy now |
| 05:21.47 | Kraps | have any of you seen flash foward? |
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| 05:23.26 | Ancu1 | damn, stuck with ancu1 now |
| 05:24.16 | Thunder_Child | ghost Ancu |
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| 05:41.22 | ScytheBlade1 | According to word-of-mouth claims, the AI director may be able to change the writing on the walls. The writing may read "Don't worry, it'll get harder" when the survivors are doing well and "Having fun?" when the survivors are getting thrashed. |
| 05:42.17 | mikma | hahaha |
| 05:42.21 | mikma | sick fuckers |
| 05:42.40 | Jerub | mikma: that's adorable. |
| 05:43.06 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/l4d/l4d_airport02_offices0001.jpg |
| 05:47.55 | Ancu1 | Am I realy reading a thread about people saying that males shouldn't play females? I should realy stop....but it is just so amuseing |
| 05:51.29 | Jerub | Ancu1: hehehe, paste it to me. |
| 05:51.32 | Jerub | has female toons |
| 05:52.26 | Thunder_Child | i have female toons. if i have to look at the ass of a toon for multiple hours, i know damn well what i'm going to pick |
| 05:53.10 | Jerub | that was my reasoning when i rolled my drood |
| 05:53.29 | ScytheBlade1 | All of my toons are male, my priest exempted |
| 05:53.45 | Jerub | no one told me that a) you don't want to look at a tauren woman's ass or b) you don't anyway, because you're never out of form. |
| 05:53.45 | Thunder_Child | except in a druids case it's pointless since you are either tree/cat/bear/boomkin |
| 05:55.39 | Ancu1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20431795358&sid=1 |
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| 06:01.32 | Adys | ScytheBlade1: which game? |
| 06:01.44 | Cairenn | Thrae: silly boy, WotLK beta cat disappeared forever ago :p |
| 06:02.02 | Adys | that reminds me |
| 06:02.10 | Adys | Thrae: psych is pretty good in the end, thanks |
| 06:02.26 | Thrae | Adys: I already got you in my log saying so, but good :) |
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| 06:02.46 | Adys | last time I said it was decent |
| 06:02.50 | Thrae | Cairenn: I can still see it in the forum list. Are you saying it's closed but visible? |
| 06:02.57 | Adys | but watched a couple more and its pretty good |
| 06:02.58 | Cairenn | oh, forum list? |
| 06:03.15 | Cairenn | I thought you meant download cat |
| 06:03.21 | Cairenn | yeah, I'll do that |
| 06:03.24 | Thunder_Child | couldnt stand psych, not sure why. |
| 06:03.26 | Thrae | Cairenn: No no sorry |
| 06:03.27 | Mike-N-Go | Cairenn: Hail! |
| 06:03.47 | Cairenn | Mike-N-Go: hai2u! |
| 06:04.01 | Ancu1 | Hey ady, have I met you in wow? Your not the one I named my bear after are you? |
| 06:04.16 | Adys | what? and my name's Adys |
| 06:06.00 | Cairenn | Thrae: fixededed |
| 06:06.23 | Ancu1 | So your not Ady then. Damn, Ady swiched to War Hammer MMO when it came out back in the days of BC. I miss Ady, one of the most active member my guild ever had. |
| 06:07.40 | Jerub | we have a single american in our australian guild., he'll sit there at 4am server time and farm fish and just throw 6 stacks of fish feast in the GB |
| 06:07.57 | Jerub | and he has a level 80 toon of most classes. |
| 06:08.32 | Adys | Ancu1: you realize "Ady" is a pronouncable, low-alphabet, 3-character name, right? |
| 06:08.43 | Adys | because that makes it a very.. extremely common nick |
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| 06:10.19 | Adys | besides odds are if you ended up into any kind of friendship with me for any amount of time you'd know how to differenciate your you'res. |
| 06:10.35 | Adys | if not before then, after that |
| 06:10.41 | ZorbaBeta | sigh. only one glacial bag on the AH |
| 06:10.44 | ZorbaBeta | and it's going for 1500g |
| 06:10.45 | ZorbaBeta | wtf. |
| 06:11.44 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: yay tailors. |
| 06:12.39 | Ancu1 | I supose you're point is valid about my "your" and "you're." Just got too excited |
| 06:15.37 | ZorbaBeta | purchases four Gigantique Bags for his level 24 rogue alt |
| 06:16.39 | Jerub | aren't they unique? |
| 06:17.46 | ZorbaBeta | nope :) |
| 06:17.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: er? |
| 06:17.50 | Jerub | ah, right. |
| 06:17.58 | ZorbaBeta | I've got something like six sets of them now |
| 06:18.25 | ZorbaBeta | main, bank alt, de slave, three leveling alts :P |
| 06:21.10 | Jerub | I have two bossdrop bags and 2 frostweave i think |
| 06:21.17 | Jerub | ony and sath |
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| 06:22.51 | WobWork | rrr. Spelling Mistake #982374 That Drives Me Insane: "Quiet" instead of "Quite" |
| 06:23.48 | Jerub | Lose/Loose makes me Loose it. |
| 06:24.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Jerub: something about it taking 16 days to make a single glacial bag, yes, "yay tailors" indeed |
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| 06:25.47 | Jerub | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=23162 |
| 06:26.19 | Jerub | ScytheBlade1: what shits me is people not willing to pay a reasonable price for crafted ulduar items. |
| 06:26.23 | Fisker- | Reports have been cropping up on the Apple Support forums that users have been losing all their data due to a nasty bug in Snow Leopard, Apple's latest Operating System. Many users are reporting that all settings are being reset and most data is gone, |
| 06:26.27 | Fisker- | baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwww macfags |
| 06:26.33 | Jerub | it's ilvl 226, costs 6 runed orbs, and you don't think it's work 3kg? go away. |
| 06:26.44 | Fisker- | Find something useful to do in wave Jerub :( |
| 06:26.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Jerub: better server? People routinely pay handsome prices for proper crafted items |
| 06:26.57 | ScytheBlade1 | s/better/get a better/ |
| 06:27.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Then again, I have a really really old, relatively casual server |
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| 06:28.19 | ScytheBlade1 | s/casual/terrible/ |
| 06:28.50 | Jerub | i can't imagine being on a server like amarande is on |
| 06:29.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I.. no.. yeah, no. Leaving that one alone, lol |
| 06:29.48 | Jerub | ;) |
| 06:30.01 | ScytheBlade1 | I know multiple people sitting on 50k gold for no reason |
| 06:30.19 | ScytheBlade1 | 3k for an item really isn't anything |
| 06:31.33 | Jerub | far out. 50k gold. |
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| 06:32.25 | WobWork | damn you Cairenn |
| 06:32.25 | Ancu1 | wait, if I make a spellin mistake and type |
| 06:32.25 | Ancu1 | s/spellin/spelling |
| 06:32.25 | Ancu1 | It corrects it for me? |
| 06:32.27 | Jerub | I finally recouped an investment last night when some mats I bought cheap (for basically all my gold) finally sold all at once. |
| 06:32.31 | WobWork | talking about Wotlk Beta Cat |
| 06:32.39 | Jerub | doubled my cash, but limited me severely for a while |
| 06:32.40 | WobWork | I thought you were talking about a kitty =( |
| 06:32.43 | Ancu1 | no, no it didnt |
| 06:32.44 | Jerub | what's Wotlk Beta Cat? |
| 06:32.51 | WobWork | Category =P |
| 06:33.23 | Fisker- | rages at Jerub |
| 06:33.45 | Ancu1 | wait, if I make a spellin mistake and type |
| 06:33.45 | Ancu1 | s/spellin/spelling/ |
| 06:33.45 | Ancu1 | This time it works right? |
| 06:33.49 | Ancu1 | sweet |
| 06:34.24 | Jerub | Fisker-: oh, you again. something about a bot? yeah, I want a bot that helps me with my bloody armoy. |
| 06:34.33 | Cairenn | WobWork: heh |
| 06:34.33 | Jerub | s/armoy/armory/ |
| 06:35.10 | Fisker- | sneezes |
| 06:35.37 | Adys | [09:32:36] <Jerub> what's Wotlk Beta Cat? |
| 06:35.48 | Adys | it's like BC Beta Bear reaver |
| 06:35.56 | Fisker- | Think an armory gadget/bot would be somewhat easy |
| 06:36.00 | Adys | except it's a Cat lich |
| 06:36.06 | Fisker- | infact Adys is probably already making one |
| 06:36.07 | Fisker- | :O |
| 06:36.18 | Adys | cba |
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| 06:36.50 | Adys | night |
| 06:36.56 | Jerub | these words you say, I think they mean something, but together, they don't! |
| 06:37.27 | Fisker- | found out how to make groups in wave btw Jerub ? |
| 06:38.16 | Jerub | Fisker-: first you ask three pretty girls if they wouldn't mind coming to an open minded party... |
| 06:38.20 | Jerub | wait, uh, not that kind of group. |
| 06:38.20 | ScytheBlade1 | evidentlty, WoW access that isn't through a b.net account will be disabled in a month |
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| 06:38.52 | Fisker- | not anymore jackass! |
| 06:39.01 | Fisker- | The 12th november date was pulled again |
| 06:39.07 | Fisker- | so far no word on why |
| 06:39.08 | ScytheBlade1 | noooo |
| 06:39.10 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 06:39.25 | ZorbaBeta | the mere fact that they keep pushing the date back is *easily* enough reason for me to delay switching as long as possible |
| 06:39.48 | ScytheBlade1 | why? |
| 06:40.09 | Fisker- | Merges should've been mandatory 3 months ago |
| 06:40.09 | Fisker- | ;3 |
| 06:40.12 | Jerub | i don't even know if my wow account is linked to a battlenet account |
| 06:40.19 | ScytheBlade1 | It's pretty obvious |
| 06:40.20 | Fisker- | if you login with an email it is |
| 06:40.23 | Fisker- | if not, it's not |
| 06:40.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Can you login with anything that isn't an email? |
| 06:40.31 | ScytheBlade1 | If so, it isn't a bnet account! |
| 06:40.33 | ScytheBlade1 | also |
| 06:40.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Curse you Fisker- |
| 06:40.54 | Jerub | okay, it's not a battlenet account |
| 06:41.01 | Fisker- | Well it's probably just Blizzard's usual response to "Oh shit we're caught" |
| 06:41.19 | Jerub | what do i lose when i swap? |
| 06:41.22 | Fisker- | so it'll probably still happen |
| 06:41.23 | ScytheBlade1 | nothing |
| 06:41.24 | Fisker- | nothing Jerub |
| 06:41.30 | Jerub | weird. |
| 06:41.46 | Fisker- | You also gain the ability to control up to 8 wow accounts on one Battle.net account |
| 06:41.48 | ScytheBlade1 | why weird? |
| 06:41.50 | Fisker- | arbitrary limits ftw |
| 06:42.50 | Fisker- | well some people say it's also a security concern that your e-mail is used as a login |
| 06:43.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, well, some people are morons |
| 06:43.06 | Fisker- | i of course disagree with security through obscurity |
| 06:43.25 | Jerub | but people don't know people's account names, surely. |
| 06:43.33 | Jerub | no one knows mine, and i don't know how to discern anyone else's. |
| 06:44.10 | Fisker- | Your point. |
| 06:44.12 | Fisker- | It eludes me |
| 06:44.35 | Jerub | Fisker-: don't see how their point even exists. |
| 06:45.22 | Fisker- | you need something to complain about |
| 06:45.48 | Fisker- | I can't keep count on how many time i've shown a player how Battle.net WASN'T to blame for an account compromise |
| 06:46.15 | Fisker- | Apparently the logic is this: Because you can merge to battle.net, his account wouldn't have been hacked if it needed more verification than user/password |
| 06:46.56 | Codayus_ | I think you left out the scare quotes around "logic". |
| 06:47.04 | Fisker- | :D |
| 06:47.47 | Mike-N-Go | I'm having some trouble installing a Unix command line app called ZNC; what room might be able to help me with this problem? |
| 06:48.52 | Mike-N-Go | The problem is that I installed it, and the command does not work. I also added the folder I ran the ./configure in to my PATH, yet I do not know why it is not working, the command 'znc' |
| 06:49.54 | Fisker- | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.55 | Jerub | Mike-N-Go: does znc exist? |
| 06:50.14 | Mike-N-Go | Jerub: Define exist? |
| 06:50.22 | Jerub | Mike-N-Go: ls -la |
| 06:50.24 | Mike-N-Go | Where should I check fo it? |
| 06:50.28 | Jerub | does 'znc' exist there |
| 06:50.36 | Jerub | or hell, in the directory you build it, find -name znc |
| 06:50.56 | Mike-N-Go | What directory? |
| 06:51.03 | Mike-N-Go | Let me see |
| 06:51.43 | Mike-N-Go | I built it in my /usr folder |
| 06:52.26 | Mike-N-Go | cded into it; what is the exact command? |
| 06:52.44 | Codayus_ | Assuming you actually installed it correctly, it probably sshoved a binary SOMEWHERE. Maybe /usr/bin, or something. The trick is going to be figuring out the binaries name (which will be case sensitive) and where it actually went... |
| 06:52.51 | Mike-N-Go | It has been a while since I worked with installing a command line app.. |
| 06:53.25 | Jerub | Mike-N-Go: did you do a make install? |
| 06:53.28 | Mike-N-Go | My PATH: /usr/bin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/X11/bin:/opt/local/bin:/opt/local/lib:/usr/znc-0.076 |
| 06:53.44 | Jerub | find /usr/znc-0.076 -type f -name znc |
| 06:53.50 | Mike-N-Go | Is there a difference between the ./configure ; make ; make install commands? |
| 06:53.56 | Mike-N-Go | Or do they do the same thing? |
| 06:54.13 | Codayus_ | Mike-N-Go: They all do different things. |
| 06:54.17 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 06:54.25 | Codayus_ | And you'll typically want to run all three, in that order. |
| 06:54.36 | Mike-N-Go | Oh? Okay, moment. |
| 06:54.48 | Fisker- | lol! |
| 06:55.05 | Codayus_ | Configure...configures. make compiles. make install actually shoves the binaries somewhere. Check the documentation that came with the program to figure out what is actually required. |
| 06:55.30 | Mike-N-Go | Where do I target make? /usr? |
| 06:55.56 | Jerub | Mike-N-Go: you run make in the same directroy you ran configure |
| 06:56.01 | Mike-N-Go | Sorry that I am rather new to this << |
| 06:56.28 | Mike-N-Go | I am cd into the same directory I did ./configure, and make spits out make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 06:56.28 | Codayus_ | Um, if your doing nothing weird or fancy, the defaults probably work okay. Normally I'd drop the install files into my home directory, run configure; make; make install, and it should just work. |
| 06:56.47 | Codayus_ | Heh |
| 06:57.02 | Mike-N-Go | Is that normal, or am I doing something wrong? |
| 06:57.08 | Jerub | did the ./confiugre exit with an error? |
| 06:57.19 | Mike-N-Go | configure: error: c-ares not found. Try --disable-c-ares. |
| 06:57.19 | Mike-N-Go | Disabling c-ares may result in a slight performance decrease but will not have any other side-effects |
| 06:57.36 | Codayus_ | Welcome to unix-land... |
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| 06:58.25 | Fisker- | we can't stop here Codayus_ |
| 06:58.30 | Fisker- | this is unix-land |
| 06:59.22 | Mike-N-Go_ | DCed |
| 06:59.23 | Mike-N-Go_ | Is there a guide to installing command-line software; any recommendations? |
| 07:00.04 | Jerub | Mike-N-Go: yeah, looks like you've gotta fix that error before you can proceed. |
| 07:00.20 | Jerub | what kind of unix system are you on? |
| 07:01.03 | Mike-N-Go_ | Mac OS X |
| 07:01.07 | Fisker- | luls |
| 07:01.10 | Mike-N-Go_ | is a ghost! |
| 07:01.28 | Fisker- | doesn't mac have some shitty package manager or something? |
| 07:01.42 | Mike-N-Go_ | Is Fink a package manager? |
| 07:01.50 | Mike-N-Go_ | I installed that a while back. |
| 07:01.59 | Fisker- | i wouldn't know, i'd rather neuter myself than use a mac |
| 07:01.59 | Fisker- | ;3 |
| 07:02.23 | Jerub | oh good lord. |
| 07:02.53 | Fisker- | this is what happens when you try to mix *Nix with userfriendlyness Jerub |
| 07:02.56 | Jerub | Mike-N-Go: sorry, can't help you, you can muddle through and figure this out yourself, but man, mac systems are juts too painful to install software on :( |
| 07:03.05 | Mike-N-Go_ | Where may I find a package manager? |
| 07:03.47 | Jerub | Mike-N-Go: fink and macports are two package managers. |
| 07:03.47 | Jerub | before you do anything else, check if they have this tool already in them. |
| 07:03.48 | Jerub | if they don't, you're better off installing linux in a virtual machine than doing anything with them |
| 07:04.02 | Fisker- | http://henrik.nyh.se/2009/02/using-the-znc-irc-bouncer-with-os-x-and-iphone |
| 07:04.04 | Mike-N-Go_ | Jerub: Thanks for trying; I am rather new to this world of command line. I have installed things (like lua :) before, yet it has been a few months. |
| 07:04.16 | Jerub | oh, it's an irc bouncer? |
| 07:04.20 | Jerub | I use irssi for that when i want to ;) |
| 07:04.24 | Fisker- | try following the instructions there Mike-N-Go_ |
| 07:04.32 | Mike-N-Go_ | Fisker-: Thanks; I'll start there. |
| 07:05.45 | Fisker- | She hands me an iPhone, and say it's a phone |
| 07:05.48 | Mike-N-Go_ | goes off to enjoy reading through a long document to just get some software installed. |
| 07:05.53 | Fisker- | Man that ain't a phone, it is an iPhone |
| 07:05.56 | Fisker- | I THREW IT TO THE GROUND |
| 07:06.01 | Fisker- | What you think i'm stupid? |
| 07:06.04 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 07:06.10 | Fisker- | :( |
| 07:06.20 | Mike-N-Go_ | Jerub: Yah, it is a bouncer. I am trying to get one set up for Collquy. |
| 07:06.26 | Mike-N-Go_ | And I have MacPorts |
| 07:06.31 | Jerub | Fisker-: man, i've used lots of macs. and they're good for lots of thinkgs. |
| 07:06.36 | Jerub | Fisker-: but I don't pay anything for them. |
| 07:06.39 | Fisker- | :P |
| 07:06.47 | Mike-N-Go_ | installed, that is |
| 07:07.19 | Jerub | I was talking on /g the other day, and someone said, "I hate macs, why would you have a mac" and I just said, "my religion is very strict, I'm only allowed to use computers I didn't pay for" |
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| 07:10.03 | Mike-N-Go_ | I would like to read more on how to use the command line. Any resource recommendations? |
| 07:11.26 | Corrodias | in WoW? |
| 07:11.47 | Fisker- | naw |
| 07:12.07 | Mike-N-Go_ | For the Terminal in Mac OS X |
| 07:13.10 | Fisker- | http://mally.stanford.edu/~sr/computing/basic-unix.html |
| 07:13.15 | Fisker- | should apply to mac as well |
| 07:14.40 | Mike-N-Go_ | What does 'configure: error: c-ares not found. Try --disable-c-ares.' mean? |
| 07:14.53 | Fisker- | it's probably a library or something |
| 07:15.06 | Fisker- | c-ares: library for asynchronous name resolves |
| 07:15.06 | Mike-N-Go | I think that error is a problem. |
| 07:15.09 | Arrowmaster | did you read that http://henrik.nyh.se/2009/02/using-the-znc-irc-bouncer-with-os-x-and-iphone page? |
| 07:15.25 | Arrowmaster | said you need http://developer.apple.com/technology/xcode.html |
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| 07:17.36 | Mike-N-Go | I do have XCode and tools installed. |
| 07:19.33 | Arrowmaster | http://c-ares.haxx.se/ |
| 07:21.54 | Mike-N-Go | Let me guess.. I have to install c-ares before I can use ZNC? |
| 07:21.55 | Thunder_Child | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g2kl3byVWk&feature=channel |
| 07:22.42 | Jerub | Mike-N-Go: not if that --disable-c-ares thing works. |
| 07:23.37 | Mike-N-Go | .. Why is this so hard? Am I doing something wrong? Or does it usauly take an exorbainte ammount of effort to install something on a Mac OS X command line app? |
| 07:24.06 | Arrowmaster | if you have no idea what you are doing then yeah it does take an a lot of effort |
| 07:24.19 | Arrowmaster | and you arent installing you are compiling |
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| 07:24.47 | Mike-N-Go | I compiled the Lua command line once before!! But that was months ago.. |
| 07:24.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Some are easier than others |
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| 07:25.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Some are not designed for "humans" to get working quickly, if at all :) |
| 07:25.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Like that Fisker- guy |
| 07:25.26 | Mike-N-Go | Getting the Lua compiled and installed and command working took me the lesser part of a day.. lol |
| 07:26.28 | Arrowmaster | you should have been able to just install lua through some package manager, its very common so it should be avallable for mac already compiled |
| 07:27.32 | Mike-N-Go | That is what I did in the end. I think I used MacPorts. |
| 07:28.50 | ScytheBlade1 | sleeps |
| 07:28.52 | Fisker- | Atleast you learn Mike-N-Go :3 |
| 07:29.00 | Fisker- | btw ScytheBlade1 |
| 07:29.05 | Fisker- | i designed your mom |
| 07:29.15 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks for trying to help. |
| 07:29.25 | Jerub | Fisker-: why did you make her so noisy in bed? |
| 07:29.33 | Mike-N-Go | I'll try to read up so your tries will be more helpful. |
| 07:29.39 | Mike-N-Go | Night. |
| 07:36.29 | Fisker- | idk Jerub |
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| 07:47.38 | jnwhiteh | Mike-N-Go: domain name resolution is an enormous problem on any operating system and in order to get a good asynchronous resolver you need a library.. that's why the library is 'required'.. but you can compile without it (as they already said). |
| 07:47.43 | jnwhiteh | that's why the dependency is there, tho |
| 07:48.20 | Mike-N-Go | How do I disable the dependency? |
| 07:49.16 | Mike-N-Go | I think ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --disable-c-ares did it? |
| 07:49.47 | jnwhiteh | it likely would, yes. |
| 07:50.10 | Mike-N-Go | Okay; make is working now. |
| 07:50.21 | jnwhiteh | Are you using Leopard or higher? |
| 07:50.32 | Mike-N-Go | So; this is called 'compiling' how is this different then installing? |
| 07:50.35 | Mike-N-Go | 10.5.2 |
| 07:50.38 | Mike-N-Go | Yes |
| 07:50.49 | jnwhiteh | compiling is a completely different process than installing |
| 07:50.52 | jnwhiteh | although they are related |
| 07:50.57 | Mike-N-Go | Explain? |
| 07:51.00 | jnwhiteh | you have to compile the program code to native code so it runs on the machine |
| 07:51.02 | jnwhiteh | that's compilation |
| 07:51.06 | jnwhiteh | then you have to install the files somewhere. |
| 07:51.13 | NeoTron | you'd think by now people knew how 1) dragons in general work, 2) onyxia specifically |
| 07:51.20 | jnwhiteh | the configure script is ONLY setting things up, it's done _before_ you make the application |
| 07:51.26 | jnwhiteh | then you make it, then you make install it. |
| 07:51.31 | NeoTron | yet one of the tanks, as she landed, taunted off me (perfect position) to face her at the rai |
| 07:52.25 | Mike-N-Go | znc works!! |
| 07:52.39 | jnwhiteh | congrats! |
| 07:52.55 | Mike-N-Go | make[1]: *** [modperl.so] Error 1 |
| 07:52.55 | Mike-N-Go | make: *** [install] Error 2 |
| 07:52.55 | Mike-N-Go | is that because I disabled the lib? |
| 07:53.06 | jnwhiteh | you didn't actually post the error |
| 07:53.10 | jnwhiteh | but probably not. |
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| 07:53.50 | Mike-N-Go | How do I get it to be more verbose? |
| 07:53.57 | jnwhiteh | it would have been more verbose. |
| 07:54.09 | Mike-N-Go | Because that is all it spat. |
| 07:54.12 | jnwhiteh | surely those are not the only lines of output. |
| 07:54.21 | jnwhiteh | that's _ALL_ it said when you typed 'make'? |
| 07:54.37 | Mike-N-Go | no.. |
| 07:54.37 | Mike-N-Go | Relevant to the error section, I mean. |
| 07:55.01 | jnwhiteh | I'm not so sure of that, please post the output |
| 07:55.04 | jnwhiteh | or at least more lines than that. |
| 07:55.49 | Mike-N-Go | Chopping it into a paste bin, moment |
| 07:56.25 | Thrae | Interesting...now my router (very old hardware except for NICs) is using 2.6.30, where my fileserver (newer hardware) is using 2.6.24-19. Both are on "stable". |
| 07:57.05 | Thrae | I did backports to 2.6.30 to try and fix "interrupt overload" issues with my VIA Velocity NIC. |
| 07:59.24 | Mike-N-Go | dump of my ./configure, make, and make install: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/126401 |
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| 08:06.53 | Fisker- | catches jnwhiteh |
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| 08:07.47 | Mike-N-Go | Yay! |
| 08:07.52 | Mike-N-Go | It works. |
| 08:08.27 | Mike-N-Go | I'll save setting it up for another day.. for I tried to launch the server after setting it up and I got Unable to bind [No such file or directory] |
| 08:08.30 | Mike-N-Go | .. |
| 08:08.38 | jnwhiteh | you have two errors |
| 08:08.42 | jnwhiteh | very clearly, actually |
| 08:08.47 | jnwhiteh | you errored in your make |
| 08:08.51 | jnwhiteh | so you should not have moved onto make install |
| 08:08.59 | jnwhiteh | none of the modules for ZNC have been installed |
| 08:09.07 | jnwhiteh | which may not matter to you, but its most certainly not a complete build. |
| 08:09.28 | jnwhiteh | g++-4.0: -E, -S, -save-temps and -M options are not allowed with multiple -arch flags |
| 08:10.03 | jnwhiteh | its the -MMD and -MF there that are the problem |
| 08:11.03 | jnwhiteh | you could probably use --disable-perl |
| 08:11.16 | jnwhiteh | since it seems there's a bit of a wonky issue with the perl installed on mac os x and it should complete just fine |
| 08:11.30 | Mike-N-Go | I wanted to install/compile the app just to get more experiance with the command line.. what does ZNC do anyways? lol.. I need to sleep. jnwhiteh: Thanks for the help. |
| 08:13.37 | Mike-N-Go | jnwhiteh: Start from ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --disable-c-ares --disable-perl? |
| 08:13.47 | Mike-N-Go | Or do I need to rm something? |
| 08:17.55 | Wobin | http://shop.telstra.com/shop/ working for anyone? |
| 08:18.25 | jnwhiteh | Mike-N-Go: that shoudl work, yep |
| 08:18.35 | jnwhiteh | Mike-N-Go: ZNC is a irc proxy |
| 08:18.44 | Mike-N-Go | Why would I want one of those? |
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| 08:19.03 | jnwhiteh | it would allow you to connact to the same irc session from anywhere |
| 08:19.05 | Mike-N-Go | Is that the bounce thing for the iPhone app? |
| 08:19.06 | jnwhiteh | that's what I use, actually |
| 08:19.27 | jnwhiteh | I have a ZNC proxy on my server, and then I can connect there from work or home and have the same nick and access to all the messages i might have missed while I was gone |
| 08:19.36 | Mike-N-Go | Yay! no errors |
| 08:19.49 | Mike-N-Go | in the instal, that is. |
| 08:20.09 | Mike-N-Go | How do I make Unable to bind [Unknown error: 0] more verbose? |
| 08:21.15 | jnwhiteh | hehe you don't, I don't thin, |
| 08:21.22 | Mike-N-Go | .. |
| 08:21.27 | jnwhiteh | you need to follow the setup procedure for znc |
| 08:21.33 | jnwhiteh | which involves making a config file, etc. |
| 08:21.36 | jnwhiteh | so you can specify the host.port to bind on. |
| 08:21.38 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 08:21.39 | jnwhiteh | on which to bind. |
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| 08:23.29 | Mike-N-Go | What variable do I need to change? Listen6 or Server? |
| 08:23.42 | jnwhiteh | not sure |
| 08:24.02 | Mike-N-Go | Listen6 = <ip> +6667 |
| 08:24.13 | Mike-N-Go | Server = irc.freenode.net 6667 |
| 08:24.32 | Mike-N-Go | I did the config dialog |
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| 08:25.26 | Mike-N-Go | It crashed out after I did [ ?? ] Launch znc now? (yes/no) [yes]: yes |
| 08:25.37 | Mike-N-Go | So something wrong with my config file.. |
| 08:26.11 | Fisker- | listen6 wouldn't that be ipv6? |
| 08:26.44 | jnwhiteh | i think so, yes. |
| 08:27.30 | Mike-N-Go | I set it to ipv6 yes |
| 08:30.43 | Mike-N-Go | From http://en.znc.in/wiki/Configuration: Listen6 - Exactly the same as Listen, but will use IPv6 and depending on your System also IPv4. |
| 08:30.53 | Mike-N-Go | Listen - The port ZNC will listen on. If the port is prepended with a '+' then ZNC listens using SSL. Add a host/IP before the port with a space between to bind to a specific IP. |
| 08:31.13 | Arrowmaster | dont put an ip then |
| 08:31.32 | Arrowmaster | since you probably dont have ipv6 |
| 08:32.45 | Mike-N-Go | [ ** ] You must supply at least one Listen port in your config. |
| 08:33.09 | Arrowmaster | so add a Listen |
| 08:34.02 | Mike-N-Go | now [ Unable to bind [Can't assign requested address] .. |
| 08:34.12 | Arrowmaster | what did you put? |
| 08:34.20 | Mike-N-Go | Listen = 98.108.100.212 6667 |
| 08:34.31 | Arrowmaster | are you behind a router? |
| 08:34.38 | Fisker- | try 0.0.0.0 |
| 08:34.55 | Mike-N-Go | I am behind a router |
| 08:34.59 | Fisker- | in *nux terms that usually mean it'll bind to everything available i believe |
| 08:35.06 | Fisker- | *nix |
| 08:35.15 | Arrowmaster | then that will never work since your computer doesnt have that ip |
| 08:35.29 | Mike-N-Go | But NAT is has not been a problem. |
| 08:35.31 | Arrowmaster | just dont put an IP |
| 08:35.36 | Mike-N-Go | With other apps, that is |
| 08:35.41 | Mike-N-Go | 0.0.0.0 did the trick |
| 08:35.54 | Arrowmaster | you shouldnt even need to put an ip in there |
| 08:36.10 | Arrowmaster | what you pasted says that |
| 08:36.28 | Mike-N-Go | Then all the errors? |
| 08:37.57 | Mike-N-Go | Alright. |
| 08:38.03 | Mike-N-Go | I think it is now working. |
| 08:38.25 | Mike-N-Go | No errors, it loads, and [ ok ] Forking into the background... [pid: 12987] |
| 08:38.35 | Mike-N-Go | Now what do I do with it? lol |
| 08:38.46 | Arrowmaster | read the site for it? |
| 08:38.50 | Mike-N-Go | Thanks for all the help in setting this up. |
| 08:39.12 | Mike-N-Go | I am going to sleep for.. 2 hours! then 8AM English class at the college! |
| 08:39.28 | Fisker- | connect to irc using localhost:6667 i guess |
| 08:39.38 | Fisker- | that should connect you to the bouncer |
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| 08:55.12 | Fisker- | ties up jnwhiteh to a bed |
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| 09:43.29 | Fisker- | I'M NOT GONNA BE PART OF YOUR SYSTEM |
| 09:43.38 | jnwhiteh | k k |
| 09:44.25 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 09:44.41 | Fisker- | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11155637016&sid=1 |
| 09:44.44 | Fisker- | i stick it to the man |
| 09:53.00 | _rane | damn you posting those smartass comments on every thread! |
| 09:58.27 | Fisker- | well _rane |
| 09:58.32 | Fisker- | i'm not gonna be part of their system |
| 10:01.06 | foxlit | Fisker needs an MVT tag. |
| 10:04.33 | Fisker- | that would be nice |
| 10:04.43 | Fisker- | of course that would make all my text appear in black/grey |
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| 10:21.51 | Fisker- | jnwhiteh |
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| 10:26.32 | Vilkku | Fisker: :D |
| 10:26.35 | Vilkku | " like (profession) and (Arena). " |
| 10:32.20 | Corrodias | huh. i have emails from blizzard about my account being connected to a battle.net account falsely. |
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| 10:38.01 | Corrodias | so now i have to go through some whole process |
| 10:41.16 | Corrodias | i'll deal with this tomorrow |
| 10:41.54 | Ycarene | How do I disable the thing where it will automatically change the channel when you type the /xx options, like how it changes to "tell name" after typing /tell name and a space? |
| 10:44.59 | Elkano | look for "sticky channel" in your chat mod |
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| 10:46.06 | Fisker- | YES YES YES |
| 10:46.18 | Fisker- | "So right... My account has been hacked last night at around 19:30 cause I went off at that time... " |
| 10:46.27 | Fisker- | "I will read that post :-) No virus scanner on a mac so that might be the problem =s " |
| 10:46.34 | Fisker- | MOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAR |
| 10:46.48 | Fisker- | i came :o |
| 10:46.50 | Ycarene | sticky just means that when you open the chat text box, that the last channel you used will be the one you're typing in by default. |
| 10:48.12 | Fisker- | jnwhiteh: |
| 10:48.14 | Fisker- | help me |
| 10:48.35 | jnwhiteh | how? |
| 10:48.40 | jnwhiteh | last i checked you were beyond help =( |
| 10:48.49 | Codayus_ | No change there. |
| 10:49.43 | Fisker- | sikke en dejlig dag det er i dag jnwhiteh |
| 10:53.55 | Fisker- | you gotta agree though jnwhiteh |
| 10:54.01 | jnwhiteh | kk |
| 10:54.07 | jnwhiteh | how can i not!? |
| 10:54.24 | Fisker- | exactly! |
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| 10:56.12 | Aelobin | O_o |
| 10:56.32 | Fisker- | sup Aelobin |
| 10:56.42 | Aelobin | morning Fisker |
| 10:57.03 | Fisker- | morning? |
| 10:57.09 | Aelobin | yus |
| 10:57.10 | Fisker- | in b4 ~ugt and ~uft |
| 10:57.50 | Fisker- | wanna make out Aelobin ? |
| 10:58.12 | Aelobin | hmm what are they 0.o |
| 10:58.15 | Aelobin | ~ugt |
| 10:58.16 | purl | it has been said that ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 10:58.36 | Aelobin | aha |
| 10:58.37 | Aelobin | awesome |
| 10:59.06 | Fisker- | try the other one |
| 10:59.13 | Aelobin | ~uft |
| 10:59.14 | purl | Universal Fisker Time, it's whatever time he says, anyone else will be shot on sight, even if it's the same time as Fisker's time. |
| 10:59.19 | Fisker- | >:3 |
| 10:59.25 | Aelobin | :o |
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| 11:02.31 | Fisker- | but today is a good day Aelobin |
| 11:02.37 | Aelobin | how come? |
| 11:02.48 | Fisker- | A mac user got "hacked" |
| 11:04.08 | foxlit | http://www.neowin.net/news/main/09/10/11/major-bug-in-snow-leopard-deletes-all-user-data |
| 11:05.47 | Fisker- | old |
| 11:06.05 | foxlit | It'll be old when it's patched. |
| 11:06.23 | Fisker- | it's old the moment after i posted it |
| 11:06.46 | Aelobin | what rep do you need to use a neutral AH? is it neutral or friendly? |
| 11:07.08 | Fisker- | neutral |
| 11:07.13 | Aelobin | ty |
| 11:07.25 | Fisker- | kisses Aelobin |
| 11:08.27 | Aelobin | erm... ok |
| 11:10.12 | Fisker- | i helped you |
| 11:10.13 | Aelobin | just need 2 ingots for my hand of raggy now :< |
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| 11:11.39 | Aelobin | lol this guy said he wanted 500g for something, so i said "as long as its across the neutral AH", and he said "what's the difference?" |
| 11:11.40 | Aelobin | >_< |
| 11:12.12 | foxlit | "Surviving reptile attacks by means of superior intelligence or the exploitation of man-eating velociraptorsâ inability to solve NP-Complete problems optimally within reasonable time in the struggle for life" |
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| 11:22.50 | Wobin | foxlit, sounds like Randall Monroe's doctoral thesis |
| 11:23.38 | mikma | bastard covered bastard |
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| 11:27.00 | foxlit | "Figure 1: An example of the velociraptorsâ awesome way of killing all human beings, where T = 4" |
| 11:27.18 | Aelobin | lol |
| 11:35.40 | Wobin | heheh http://notalwaysright.com/on-the-need-for-hazard-pay-part-3/2565 |
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| 11:48.05 | Aelobin | xD |
| 11:50.08 | mikma | notalwaystrue :D |
| 11:52.36 | Aelobin | http://notalwaysright.com/outlaws-in-utero/2048 |
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| 11:56.00 | Aelobin | any idea where the AH is in Everlook? |
| 11:56.57 | mikma | wobin: what's your FACEPALM name |
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| 12:06.03 | Cide | wishes lua had the common functional programming functions for dealing with lists |
| 12:07.20 | mikma | wobin: hc porn for men, again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfDoQwIAaXg |
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| 12:11.59 | Taroven | does a happy dance. |
| 12:12.12 | Taroven | Yay for finally getting EventHorizon v1.2 out =D |
| 12:12.58 | Cide | > map(tostring, {}, nil, 2, 3, {}) => "table: 0051F4F0", "nil", "2", "3", "table: 0051F5D0" |
| 12:13.02 | Cide | awesome. |
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| 12:13.52 | Cide | > filter(function(i) return math.mod(i, 2) == 0 end, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) => 2, 4, 6 |
| 12:14.07 | Cide | why does lua not have these already? |
| 12:14.08 | Grum | just make it? :P |
| 12:14.16 | Grum | you need map/grep in any language! |
| 12:14.28 | Cide | I just made them, yes |
| 12:14.36 | Cide | list manipulation in lua right now is horrid |
| 12:14.45 | Grum | downside, it has to copy the list and therefor is slowy ;( |
| 12:14.54 | Cide | it's in c |
| 12:15.14 | Grum | ah =D |
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| 12:15.15 | Cide | it has to double the list in memory, yes |
| 12:15.23 | Cide | but that may just be my crappy coding |
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| 12:15.31 | Cide | haven't looked at the lua documentation very much |
| 12:15.44 | Cide | but lua desperately needs map and filter :/ |
| 12:16.29 | Audible | Cide : yeah a filter for tables would be good |
| 12:16.31 | Cide | hey Legorol |
| 12:16.37 | Cide | it's a filter for lists |
| 12:16.42 | Cide | tables can easily be manipulated |
| 12:16.47 | Cide | Legorol: are you familiar with the lua c api? |
| 12:16.57 | Cide | or jnwhiteh or Shirik |
| 12:17.01 | Grum | Cide: you are turning it into perl ;) |
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| 12:17.07 | Cide | why? |
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| 12:22.20 | Cide | Grum: why? |
| 12:22.46 | Grum | map/grep! =D |
| 12:22.55 | Grum | (which is a good thing btw :D) |
| 12:23.02 | Cide | grep? |
| 12:23.06 | Cide | is that perl's name for filter? |
| 12:23.26 | Cide | do realize that *many* languages have such tools, not just perl |
| 12:24.48 | Grum | Cide: name 3 that are not ruby/perl/lisp |
| 12:25.17 | Cide | scheme, python, haskell, |
| 12:25.26 | Grum | and that people actually use! dammit ;) |
| 12:25.38 | Cide | replace scheme with erlang if you find them too close to each other |
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| 12:25.53 | Cide | c++, python, javascript them |
| 12:25.54 | Cide | then |
| 12:26.03 | Grum | c++ doesnt have this? O.o |
| 12:26.23 | Cide | not out of the box I don't think |
| 12:27.56 | Cide | anyway, the reason lua needs it is because manipulating a list is horrible |
| 12:28.08 | foxlit | What is this "this"? |
| 12:28.14 | Cide | and the only way to do it without making an intermediary table is through nasty recursion |
| 12:28.24 | Cide | <Cide> > map(tostring, {}, nil, 2, 3, {}) => "table: 0051F4F0", "nil", "2", "3", "table: 0051F5D0" |
| 12:28.26 | Cide | <Cide> > filter(function(i) return math.mod(i, 2) == 0 end, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) => 2, 4, 6 |
| 12:28.27 | Cide | that |
| 12:29.43 | foxlit | That looks awfully close to a simple iteration with if(!test) continue; |
| 12:30.00 | Cide | only it deals with lists |
| 12:30.30 | Cide | feel free to implement filter() in lua without an intermediary table |
| 12:30.53 | foxlit | Really? |
| 12:31.01 | Cide | really what? |
| 12:31.21 | Cide | I implemented them myself |
| 12:31.24 | Cide | they're not part of lua |
| 12:31.27 | Cide | I'm arguing they should be |
| 12:31.27 | foxlit | Obviously :) |
| 12:31.33 | foxlit | Tail recursion. |
| 12:31.40 | Cide | right |
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| 12:31.48 | Cide | <Cide> and the only way to do it without making an intermediary table is through nasty recursion |
| 12:32.01 | Cide | it's *doable*, but it's extremely clunky |
| 12:32.54 | foxlit | function filter(test, a, ...) if a == nil then return; elseif test(a) then return a, filter(test, ...); else return filter(test, ...); end end |
| 12:33.30 | Cide | right |
| 12:33.52 | foxlit | However, lists are rather... scarce... in Lua. |
| 12:33.59 | Cide | hardly |
| 12:34.10 | Cide | consider the common print function |
| 12:34.27 | Cide | implementation 1: |
| 12:34.52 | Cide | function print(...) local tbl = {...}; ChatFrame1:AddMessage(table.concat(" ,", tbl)); end |
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| 12:36.01 | Cide | local auxprint(a, ...) if a == nil then return; else return tostring(a), auxprint(...); end end function print(...) ChatFrame1:AddMessage(string.concat(" ,", axprint(...))); end |
| 12:36.05 | foxlit | Cide: scarce as in hardly anything returns them, and they're rather limited in terms of number of variables in them. They aren't a data type. |
| 12:36.11 | Cide | ^ implementation 2 |
| 12:36.15 | Cide | rather limited? |
| 12:36.23 | Cide | I believe the default limitation is 256 entries |
| 12:36.32 | Cide | implementation 3: |
| 12:36.49 | foxlit | 2^10 was what I was thinking, but your number is even more restrictive. |
| 12:36.51 | Cide | function print(...) ChatFrame1:AddMessage(string.concat(" ,", map(tostring, ...))); end |
| 12:37.06 | Cide | I don't know if 256 is the limit |
| 12:37.49 | Cide | which implementation do you suppose is the best? |
| 12:38.09 | foxlit | None of them. |
| 12:38.15 | Cide | there's no other way to do it |
| 12:38.40 | foxlit | (a) Format (b) There's no reason you should be using print to concat things for you. |
| 12:38.41 | Cide | also, do realize that your filter implementation returns n+1 items for a list of n items originally |
| 12:38.53 | Cide | I'm not using print to concat things for me |
| 12:39.12 | Cide | I'm defining a function print that prints several items for me at once |
| 12:39.22 | Cide | which is common and commonly desired |
| 12:39.38 | foxlit | Only if you're used to those functions. |
| 12:39.39 | Cide | you're saying "I don't have a use case for this, so there's no use case for this" |
| 12:39.46 | Ycarene | Why not just use .. to concatenate? |
| 12:40.00 | Cide | don't argue if you don't know the language |
| 12:40.09 | Cide | .. is both slow for repeated concatenation and not applicable in this case |
| 12:40.13 | foxlit | "Cide: also, do realize that your filter implementation returns n+1 items for a list of n items originally" << No, I do not. |
| 12:40.51 | Cide | lua> function filter(test, a, ...) if a == nil then return; elseif test(a) then return a, filter(test, ...); else return filter(test, ...); end end; print(select('#', filter(function(a) return true; end, 1, 2, 3))) |
| 12:40.51 | lua_bot | Cide: 3 |
| 12:40.59 | Cide | huh, you're right. |
| 12:41.54 | foxlit | Surprise :) |
| 12:42.43 | Cide | I figured it'd append another from the implicit nil from "return;" |
| 12:42.44 | Cide | oh well |
| 12:42.51 | Cide | it doesn't really argue against my case though |
| 12:42.54 | foxlit | There's no implicit nil in return :) |
| 12:43.49 | Cide | there is, depending on how you look at it, but it's not implicit in the sense that return; and return nil; are treated the same way |
| 12:46.16 | foxlit | But anyway, the only real use case for print(...) is printing a list that you have no control over. |
| 12:46.52 | Cide | and? |
| 12:46.54 | foxlit | In a language where no functions return unpredictable lists, that doesn't happen very often. |
| 12:47.33 | foxlit | So the lack of any sort of built-in map/filter/stuff functions doesn't bother me -- it's a few-line implementation that works reasonably well for the few times when you actually need it. |
| 12:47.34 | Cide | since ... is implemented surely they find lists useful |
| 12:47.48 | Cide | they being the lua community |
| 12:48.49 | Cide | maybe you don't use it but I use it quite often and I've found a distinct lack of ways to easily manipulate them more than once |
| 12:49.02 | foxlit | I blame Python :) |
| 12:49.12 | Cide | this was before I learned python |
| 12:50.33 | foxlit | As for ..., it's rather severely limited, so who knows what their intentions were. |
| 12:50.33 | Cide | limited how? |
| 12:50.41 | foxlit | You can't declare arbitrary lists. |
| 12:50.45 | foxlit | You can't store lists. |
| 12:51.01 | foxlit | It can only contain a small number of elements. |
| 12:51.06 | Cide | elaborate on "declare arbitrary lists" |
| 12:51.17 | foxlit | Probably the same point as the second one |
| 12:51.25 | foxlit | you can't go local list1 = 1,2,3,4,5 |
| 12:51.37 | Cide | right |
| 12:51.43 | Cide | not really a limitation though |
| 12:51.52 | Cide | if you desperately need to store a list you can easily do {...} |
| 12:52.03 | Cide | but you rarely need to |
| 12:52.08 | foxlit | Find the intersection of two lists. |
| 12:53.06 | Cide | that's pretty difficult if even doable |
| 12:53.11 | Cide | without a table obviously |
| 12:53.22 | foxlit | Agree. |
| 12:53.36 | Cide | (I'm arguing for better ways to manipulate lists and you're saying it's not necessary because it's too difficult to manipulate lists?) |
| 12:53.38 | foxlit | You're further screwed by the inability to even represent two lists within the same scope. |
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| 12:54.37 | foxlit | It's too difficult to manipulate lists => you are not intended to manipulate lists => stop fighting the language and use tables. |
| 12:54.50 | Cide | lua> function range(i) if i == 1 then return 1; end return i, range(i-1); end print(select('#', range(2^10))) |
| 12:54.50 | lua_bot | Cide: 1024 |
| 12:54.55 | Cide | lua> function range(i) if i == 1 then return 1; end return i, range(i-1); end print(select('#', range(2^30))) |
| 12:54.55 | lua_bot | Cide: luabot:1: stack overflow |
| 12:54.58 | Cide | lua> function range(i) if i == 1 then return 1; end return i, range(i-1); end print(select('#', range(2^20))) |
| 12:54.59 | lua_bot | Cide: luabot:1: stack overflow |
| 12:55.02 | Cide | lua> function range(i) if i == 1 then return 1; end return i, range(i-1); end print(select('#', range(2^11))) |
| 12:55.02 | lua_bot | Cide: 2048 |
| 12:55.06 | Cide | lua> function range(i) if i == 1 then return 1; end return i, range(i-1); end print(select('#', range(2^15))) |
| 12:55.06 | lua_bot | Cide: luabot:1: stack overflow |
| 12:55.10 | Cide | lua> function range(i) if i == 1 then return 1; end return i, range(i-1); end print(select('#', range(2^12))) |
| 12:55.10 | lua_bot | Cide: 4096 |
| 12:55.13 | Cide | lua> function range(i) if i == 1 then return 1; end return i, range(i-1); end print(select('#', range(2^13))) |
| 12:55.14 | lua_bot | Cide: 8192 |
| 12:55.16 | Cide | lua> function range(i) if i == 1 then return 1; end return i, range(i-1); end print(select('#', range(2^14))) |
| 12:55.16 | lua_bot | Cide: luabot:1: stack overflow |
| 12:55.27 | Cide | hardly a severe limitation |
| 12:55.32 | foxlit | ua> function range(i) if i == 1 then return 1; member:end return i, range(i-1); member:end print(select('#', range(2^14-1))) |
| 12:55.32 | Cide | depends on what you're doing, of course |
| 12:55.39 | foxlit | lua> function range(i) if i == 1 then return 1; member:end return i, range(i-1); member:end print(select('#', range(2^14-1))) |
| 12:55.39 | lua_bot | foxlit: luabot:1: 'end' expected near 'member' |
| 12:55.48 | foxlit | oh, curse you, links. |
| 12:56.01 | foxlit | lua> function range(i) if i == 1 then return 1; end return i, range(i-1); end print(select('#', range(2^14-1))) |
| 12:56.01 | lua_bot | foxlit: luabot:1: stack overflow |
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| 12:58.56 | Cide | lua> function range(i) if i == 1 then return 1; end return i, range(i-1); end for i = 2^14, 2^13, -100 do local ok = pcall(range, i); if ok then print(i); break; end end |
| 12:58.57 | lua_bot | Cide: 16284 |
| 12:59.17 | Cide | lua> function range(i) if i == 1 then return 1; end return i, range(i-1); end for i = 2^14, 2^13, -1 do local ok = pcall(range, i); if ok then print(i); break; end end |
| 12:59.18 | lua_bot | Cide: 16383 |
| 12:59.19 | foxlit | And since it's stack, it also varies depending on from where you call it. |
| 12:59.28 | Cide | that is 2^14-1, strange |
| 12:59.58 | Cide | yep |
| 13:00.13 | Cide | but the stack depth is rarely limiting |
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| 13:06.44 | Kraps | morning |
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| 13:46.02 | mikma | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/new_anti_smoking_ads_warn_teens |
| 13:46.03 | mikma | HAHAHAHA |
| 13:50.05 | Ancu | ghost ancu |
| 13:50.17 | Ancu | I have no ghost? |
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| 13:52.37 | Fisker | fags smoke too mikma |
| 13:54.26 | Cide | you smoke |
| 13:54.36 | p3lim | is there any event run when say shaman wolves, mage waterelemental is summoned/despawned etc? |
| 13:56.54 | Fisker | LOL |
| 13:56.55 | Fisker | epic fail |
| 13:57.09 | Fisker | Some bank got robbed with ak-47's |
| 13:57.23 | Fisker | and they even put out spikes to slow down the police |
| 13:57.46 | Fisker | That was like 6 hours ago |
| 13:57.51 | Fisker | And the first robber is already arrested |
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| 13:57.54 | Fisker | failplan is fail |
| 14:03.03 | zenzelezz | you'll be more successful next time Fisker, just learn from your mistakes |
| 14:03.52 | Fisker | i'd use my ak-47 on something more useful |
| 14:03.54 | Fisker | like school shootings |
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| 14:06.00 | Ancu | wheres the bank? |
| 14:07.03 | olafski | "fort knox" |
| 14:07.16 | Fisker | yo moma |
| 14:07.17 | olafski | everyone knows you need to sedate the guards there with some biotoxin |
| 14:10.41 | Grum | fart? |
| 14:10.58 | zenzelezz | now that sounds like Hot Shots 2 |
| 14:21.14 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_yFEbnn3kQ |
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| 14:26.18 | Ancu | how is this ( http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/devil_doll/zuu-and-thrall.jpg ) posible? Drani should be like rofl pwnd by thrall |
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| 14:31.09 | Zyn- | welcome to the Wrathgate questline |
| 14:37.43 | jnwhiteh | ohai WoTLK |
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| 14:50.15 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
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| 15:02.26 | mikma | http://open.spotify.com/track/05DW1MwVcSPhj1GPtEIRdd |
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| 15:18.01 | foxlit | http://www.mistersoft.org/freelancing/getafreelancer/2009/09/Copywriting-Data-Entry-Data-Processing-Link-Building-Publishing-Submit-email-address-to-get-harvested-for-spam-nbsp-506257.html |
| 15:18.03 | foxlit | Oh ffs. |
| 15:18.56 | foxlit | So now humans pay humans to spam my forums :/ |
| 15:19.32 | zenzelezz | your forums? |
| 15:19.49 | foxlit | There's a forum I administer. |
| 15:20.44 | mikma | hahahahaha |
| 15:27.08 | Aelobin | how much would epic flying cost if youre revered with SW? :P |
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| 15:31.06 | mikma | sw reputation has nothing to do with flying skill |
| 15:32.23 | Legorol | it does now, mikma |
| 15:32.45 | mikma | orly |
| 15:33.00 | Legorol | the trainers in honor hold/thrallmar give rep discount based on own faction major home city rep, instead of honor hold/thrallmar |
| 15:33.18 | Legorol | this change was made because players hitting 60 and going to outland are unlikely to have significant honor hold/thrallmar rep yet |
| 15:33.22 | Legorol | but they can already buy mount |
| 15:33.53 | Lopeppeppy | Woot, that's a good change |
| 15:36.59 | zenzelezz | I've never understood why the Slackware installer has, among other prompting modes, "Menu - Choose individual packages from interactive menus" and "Expert - This is actually the same as the 'menu' option" |
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| 15:40.00 | Lopeppeppy | Just to poke at people who jump on "expert" as being cool. :) |
| 15:40.20 | zenzelezz | not unlikely |
| 15:41.33 | zenzelezz | the description for the "splitvt" package is something like "Split a screen into sections (use screen ;-)" |
| 15:42.39 | zenzelezz | pokes Lopeppeppy, just because. |
| 15:43.21 | Lopeppeppy | Happy monday |
| 15:43.48 | zenzelezz | not happy enough to be properly capitalised apparently ;-o |
| 15:46.16 | Lopeppeppy | Is it ever? |
| 15:46.28 | Lopeppeppy | Half of the US has it off as a holiday, and half of us don't. What a pain. |
| 15:51.25 | kdtresh | i don't know if that's better or worse than nevada day |
| 15:51.58 | kdtresh | it's a recognized state holiday, but a lot of companies don't give it off because the rest of the world doesn't care about nevada day |
| 15:54.05 | zenzelezz | so for the life of me I can't seem to find an obvious explanation as to why Slackware reboots during/shortly after booting |
| 15:55.05 | kdtresh | no logs? |
| 15:55.28 | zenzelezz | don't know. Would have to actually reach a shell to check |
| 15:56.01 | kdtresh | does it reboot before you can even log on? |
| 15:56.02 | zenzelezz | might try a different distro just to check if it's something odd with Slackware 13 |
| 15:56.06 | zenzelezz | kdtresh: yes |
| 15:56.30 | zenzelezz | it's about done with the boot process when it reboots. Sometimes it sits on the shell login screen for a few seconds |
| 15:56.34 | kdtresh | has the install ever worked properly? |
| 15:56.39 | zenzelezz | usually doesn't get that far |
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| 15:57.00 | zenzelezz | kdtresh: fresh install. Tried different harddisks and everything. Used the same DVD for this computer, and this one works fine |
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| 15:59.35 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa dear. I had some frost this morning, should I ship it south? |
| 15:59.45 | kdtresh | zenzelezz: is hotplug enabled? |
| 15:59.55 | Lunessa | Yes please. A bog box of it would be nice. |
| 16:00.22 | zenzelezz | kdtresh: I think so |
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| 16:00.32 | Lopeppeppy | I have no bogs, but as soon as I can find a way to preserve it, I shall duly ship it. |
| 16:00.47 | Lopeppeppy | Could not find my scraper this morning for the life of me. Where do they GO in the spring? |
| 16:02.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I keep mine in the rear of my car, above the seats |
| 16:02.50 | Lopeppeppy | Mine was supposed to be in with the spare tire. I even remember putting it there so I wouldn't lose it! |
| 16:02.52 | Lopeppeppy | ... not there. |
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| 16:03.57 | Shirik | lol. |
| 16:04.03 | Shirik | I just encountered an error I've never seen before |
| 16:04.14 | Shirik | Exception code c000041d, STATUS_FILE_SYSTEM_LIMITATION |
| 16:05.11 | Mikk | stop running fat16 |
| 16:05.12 | Mikk | mhm |
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| 16:10.12 | Lunessa | http://xkcd.com/648/ - the alt text makes that comic something else entirely. |
| 16:10.50 | zenzelezz | "Fall Foliage"? |
| 16:12.31 | NightHawkTheSane | yarr. |
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| 16:13.49 | foxlit | qq @ xkcd random button breaking back/forward |
| 16:14.51 | kdtresh | ugh, i keep getting ACCESS_VIOLATION exceptions when i switch realms |
| 16:15.10 | zenzelezz | O_o |
| 16:15.24 | zenzelezz | that's kind of peculiar |
| 16:17.31 | kdtresh | i get it on both home and work machines |
| 16:19.05 | Shirik | It's ok |
| 16:19.10 | Shirik | I just plain can't switch realms at all |
| 16:19.28 | Shirik | if I've been logged in for like more than an hour, then I log out and try to switch realms, I just sit there at "Retrieving realm list..." |
| 16:19.35 | Shirik | I have to fully log out, then log back in |
| 16:19.53 | Shirik | 100% reproducable too |
| 16:19.56 | kdtresh | that's what happens to me, except it bombs out after i select a realm |
| 16:20.06 | Shirik | probably related |
| 16:20.12 | Shirik | eh |
| 16:20.13 | Shirik | maybe not |
| 16:20.16 | Shirik | you actually get a list |
| 16:20.19 | kdtresh | after it closes, when i open it back up and log on, i can switch realms with no problem |
| 16:20.24 | Lopeppeppy | It's not Tuesday. Hmm. |
| 16:20.31 | kdtresh | yeah, i get a list, but when it tries to load the chars, it bombs out |
| 16:21.03 | kdtresh | the wow forum has some blue posts talking about video card and directx, but it's hard to accept that when i'm getting the same issue on two separate system with separate hardware |
| 16:21.12 | kdtresh | one nvidia, one ati |
| 16:21.44 | zenzelezz | I would be surprised if the character selection screen gave access violations anyway |
| 16:21.45 | Shirik | c015000f STATUS_SXS_EARLY_DEACTIVATION |
| 16:21.46 | Shirik | wtf |
| 16:21.56 | Shirik | What the hell is ATI doing that is causing all these codes I've never seen before |
| 16:21.58 | zenzelezz | stop messing up your Windows, Shirik |
| 16:22.04 | Lunessa | Ban-stick, you has it? |
| 16:22.25 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, who would bans a Shirik? |
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| 16:23.47 | Shirik | I think the command line installation is working |
| 16:23.52 | Shirik | it hasn't crashed yet at least :PO |
| 16:24.15 | Shirik | Must be something with their fancy GUI installer |
| 16:24.28 | Shirik | fortunately .NET is not present in a video driver :P |
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| 16:32.14 | zenzelezz | so if linux fails to boot to run level 1, is it safe to assume there is either some sort of kernel/hardware incompatibility, or just some messed up hardware? |
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| 16:55.15 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz: depends on the error and how the system handles runlevels, and whatnot :p |
| 16:56.55 | zenzelezz | I believe it's something about the hardware... the Ubuntu installer also just makes the computer reboot (before it can do anything (that I can see) after I select "Install Ubuntu") |
| 16:57.59 | Fisker | i'm not gonna be part of your system zenzelezz |
| 16:58.13 | nevcairiel | so the kernel never finishes, and never starts init? |
| 16:58.19 | zenzelezz | Fisker: that's good, my system doesn't support legacy drivers |
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| 16:58.58 | Fisker | i'm not legacy |
| 16:59.29 | Lunessa | Fisker: You're unsupported anyway. |
| 16:59.35 | Fisker | i hate you :( |
| 16:59.38 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: if I attempt to boot Slackware (installed to the HDD) it either reboots before it reaches the shell login, or shortly after. The Ubuntu installer reboots about two seconds after I press "Install Ubuntu" |
| 16:59.49 | Lunessa | I know, I'm so hateable. |
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| 16:59.57 | zenzelezz | guess that means Slackware does start the kernel, but something along the line doesn't agree with it |
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| 17:06.36 | Fisker | trips Lunessa |
| 17:07.13 | Lunessa | pratfalls for laughs. |
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| 17:14.41 | NightHawkTheSane | murders whoever invented winter. |
| 17:15.15 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah...we had our first hard frost this morning. Bummer. |
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| 17:15.52 | NightHawkTheSane | its been meandering somehwere between 'pleasantly brisk' and 'i could wear a sweatshirt' for a couple weeks. |
| 17:17.54 | Lopeppeppy | I'm even going to have to turn on the heat now, the cats were both flooofed out like porcupines this morning. |
| 17:18.08 | Lopeppeppy | Means I have to insulate the windows this weekend too. Wonder if I have supplies or need some.... |
| 17:18.35 | alestane | Yep, car was lightly frosted. |
| 17:18.37 | NightHawkTheSane | this morning though is freaking cold. and its supposed to rain all this week :( |
| 17:18.55 | Lunessa | Peppy - Get the window shrink-wrap. :P |
| 17:18.55 | Lopeppeppy | Rain = cold = ice. |
| 17:19.17 | NightHawkTheSane | nah, not around here. it wont get cold enough to freeze |
| 17:19.25 | NightHawkTheSane | the rain will just make it really fucking cold and wet. |
| 17:19.41 | NightHawkTheSane | well, it might also burst the dams and flood the green fiver valley... |
| 17:19.44 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
| 17:19.54 | Lopeppeppy | That would be ungood. |
| 17:20.00 | alestane | Lopeppeppy: Is Rosie-cat finally out and about, or was she just fluffed up in solitary? |
| 17:20.30 | Lunessa | Duoble-plus un-good. |
| 17:20.43 | Lopeppeppy | ... it's a long horrible story, alestane. She's out, but pulled stitches (as I predicted!) and is going to have to go back. |
| 17:22.38 | Fisker | trips Lopeppeppy in the snow |
| 17:23.19 | Lopeppeppy | I don't have any yet, nee ner neee ner |
| 17:23.45 | Fisker | well you just landed facedown in the asphalt |
| 17:23.52 | Fisker | and to top it off you just ordered a thousand liters of milk |
| 17:24.14 | Lopeppeppy | Yummy, catfood for life! |
| 17:29.51 | NightHawkTheSane | mm.. milk... |
| 17:30.24 | Lopeppeppy | It does a body good! |
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| 17:31.14 | Lunessa | Argh wowcompares isn't preserving whitespace/linebreaks on files. |
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| 17:32.15 | Lopeppeppy | That sounds bad. |
| 17:32.33 | Lunessa | Try reading lua source in one giant text wall |
| 17:32.39 | NightHawkTheSane | sounds like a linebreak/encoding issue? |
| 17:33.10 | NightHawkTheSane | although if its munging non-crlf white space, i guess maybe not |
| 17:33.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: view the source |
| 17:33.20 | Lopeppeppy | Wall of luatext crits you for 10K! |
| 17:33.24 | Lopeppeppy | You lose sir, good day! |
| 17:33.47 | Lunessa | SBO - /facepalm - why didn't I think of that. |
| 17:33.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: wowcompares preserves the formatting, but if you just pass that raw to a browser... not so good |
| 17:34.05 | ScytheBlade1 | The source is great :) |
| 17:34.13 | Lunessa | ja. |
| 17:34.13 | Pneu^ | yeh, view source and it's fine |
| 17:34.14 | NightHawkTheSane | ah |
| 17:34.27 | NightHawkTheSane | i thought you meant when downloading the source or something :P |
| 17:34.41 | Pneumatus | or use the framexml browser on wowprogramming |
| 17:34.41 | ScytheBlade1 | nah |
| 17:34.49 | Lunessa | That's different that I recall it working on the previous incarnation of the site. |
| 17:34.56 | Thunder_Child | peppy, want a good movie for a change? |
| 17:35.02 | Pneumatus | wowcompares is seriously unfinished atm |
| 17:35.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Because it was moved over to wowi, and a lot of it had to be reworked |
| 17:35.09 | Pneumatus | it's not got any compares to start with :p |
| 17:35.10 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 17:36.22 | alestane | One of the proto-whelps in Ember Clutch is, for some reason, friendly to me. |
| 17:36.50 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, he lurvs you. |
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| 17:38.17 | Lunessa | alestane: It's a trick. He knows you have bacon in your pocket. |
| 17:38.29 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: IT'S A TRAP! |
| 17:38.51 | NightHawkTheSane | or, more correctly, probably some glitched quest thing |
| 17:39.12 | NightHawkTheSane | i vaguely recall some of the whelps in the area being friendly *shrug* |
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| 17:43.32 | Thunder_Child | mourns the loss of The Dresden Files |
| 17:43.56 | Lopeppeppy | I want some more! |
| 17:44.13 | Thunder_Child | the book or the show? |
| 17:44.19 | NightHawkTheSane | yes? |
| 17:44.22 | Thunder_Child | ah |
| 17:44.29 | NightHawkTheSane | i was vaguely fond of the show |
| 17:44.37 | NightHawkTheSane | haven't read the books, but i hear they're good |
| 17:44.39 | Lopeppeppy | Very yes |
| 17:44.45 | Lopeppeppy | The books are better than the show, IMO |
| 17:44.54 | Lopeppeppy | Read any of the Nightside series by Simon Green? |
| 17:45.04 | NightHawkTheSane | no :( |
| 17:45.06 | Lopeppeppy | Or his Drood series? |
| 17:45.20 | Lopeppeppy | I recommend all three, they are sci fi detective noir black comedy funtimes. |
| 17:46.11 | NightHawkTheSane | neat, i'll have to take a look. Granted, i may not -get- to them soon. My 'to-read' stack is not exactly small :( |
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| 17:46.54 | NightHawkTheSane | i have a (wonderful) friend who reads way more than i do, and keeps foisting books on me. :P |
| 17:48.15 | Thunder_Child | s/ sci fi detective noir black comedy funtimes./ fantasy detective noir black comedy funtimes./ |
| 17:48.54 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=11155927242&postId=111545338526&sid=1 <-no u |
| 17:49.59 | Fisker | like |
| 17:50.04 | ScytheBlade1 | http://entertainment.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1401417&cid=29721159 |
| 17:50.09 | Fisker | how dare i suggest he even had a problem? |
| 17:50.17 | Lopeppeppy | OMG no way. |
| 17:51.33 | Lunessa | If you like Fantasy and you like Detective fiction, try the Garret P.I. novels by Glen Cook. |
| 17:52.37 | alestane | I am in a group with a gnome warlock named Bittyfots. |
| 17:52.41 | alestane | Bittydots* |
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| 17:53.35 | Lopeppeppy | How cute! |
| 17:53.37 | Lopeppeppy | *gag* |
| 17:53.37 | Lunessa | Awwwww. Gnomes are cute. |
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| 17:54.02 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR7FC-h0Fb8 |
| 17:54.09 | Lunessa | SFW |
| 17:54.36 | Thunder_Child | it sounded interesting till you "SFW'd" it |
| 17:54.50 | Lunessa | Gnome Chorus. |
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| 18:00.33 | Lunessa | "I'm a legend in my time, not a legend in my mind." |
| 18:01.27 | Fisker | lol Lunessa |
| 18:02.08 | Lunessa | They played that movie at BlizzCon and I was thinking about it last night so I googled and there it was. +Gnome Chorus. |
| 18:03.00 | Lopeppeppy | I missed all the best things at Blizcon this year. Lunessa, Cairenn, gnome chorusi... |
| 18:03.14 | Lunessa | Mistress of Pain costume. |
| 18:03.18 | Lunessa | RAWR! |
| 18:03.29 | Cairenn | it was HAWT |
| 18:03.38 | Lopeppeppy | I saw the pictures, I'd love to know who did her dentals. |
| 18:03.52 | Lopeppeppy | I almost got a custom pair of dentals for my kitsune, sooo sweet. |
| 18:04.30 | Lunessa | And Cairenn all dolled up for the Ozzy Concert... T-A-S-T-Y |
| 18:04.39 | Cairenn | blushes |
| 18:05.00 | alestane | Goddamnit, no plane fare this year... |
| 18:05.30 | Lunessa | I'm going to go next year too. I had too much fun. Though I might fly next time. |
| 18:05.35 | Lopeppeppy | Next year! Wooooots. |
| 18:05.56 | alestane | And here I missed not only splendid cosplayers, but Cairenn dressing up! |
| 18:06.27 | NightHawkTheSane | i need to get out to blizzcon one of these years >.> |
| 18:06.31 | Lopeppeppy | Screw the cosplayers, cuddle the Cairenn. |
| 18:06.38 | Cairenn | :) |
| 18:06.43 | alestane | Both of those sounds like excellent suggestions. |
| 18:06.48 | NightHawkTheSane | .. well, more properly, i need to be not broke when its time to buy tickets |
| 18:06.48 | ScytheBlade1 | oh right |
| 18:06.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: you bought Cairenn oysters... right? |
| 18:07.03 | Cairenn | lol |
| 18:07.08 | Lunessa | No, I bought her liquor. |
| 18:07.11 | Cairenn | Cairenn doesn't eat oysters |
| 18:07.22 | ScytheBlade1 | suddenly remembers a '10' and the surrounding conversatioon |
| 18:07.25 | ScytheBlade1 | s/oo/o/ |
| 18:07.32 | Lunessa | FYI - Getting Cairenn drunk doesn't work. She's too clever for that. |
| 18:07.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay, that got a chuckle out of me |
| 18:07.45 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 18:07.45 | Lopeppeppy | Wily are the Women of Gaming. |
| 18:07.45 | NightHawkTheSane | by clever, you mean not a lightweight? :P |
| 18:08.07 | NightHawkTheSane | ... you know, that probably didn't come out quite the way i intended. |
| 18:08.19 | NightHawkTheSane | shouldn't be allowed to speak before noon. |
| 18:08.30 | Cairenn | pokes NightHawkTheSane |
| 18:08.41 | ScytheBlade1 | It's okay, I'm running on 3 hours of sleep and I get to go sign paperwork in about an hour for my job starting tomorrow |
| 18:08.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me that I'm going to mess up something simple, stupid, yet critical |
| 18:08.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Like writing down my social |
| 18:09.01 | Cairenn | congrats on workage |
| 18:09.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Indeed |
| 18:09.16 | alestane | Cairenn: There *will* be DWSs next time, somehow. |
| 18:09.18 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: write shit down on a notecard. :P |
| 18:09.20 | ScytheBlade1 | I may have funds for blizzcon next year |
| 18:09.24 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: I have it memorized |
| 18:09.25 | Cairenn | alestane: heh |
| 18:09.49 | NightHawkTheSane | sure, but on 3 hours sleep.. ;) |
| 18:09.53 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 18:10.04 | ScytheBlade1 | 528-.... yeah I'm not that tired ;) |
| 18:10.36 | Lunessa | We were trying to liquor her up on Thursday night, but she got like 2 drinks in and called it a night. She was hip to our sekrit planz! |
| 18:11.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Something tells me that they weren't that secrett |
| 18:11.06 | ScytheBlade1 | .. *secret |
| 18:11.22 | Cairenn | hehehe |
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| 18:21.58 | Fisker | wtf |
| 18:22.03 | Fisker | stupid level must be over 9000 |
| 18:22.28 | Fisker | So this guy asks where he can buy a copy of Vista online where he can just get the serial and download it then burn it to a DVD |
| 18:22.46 | Lopeppeppy | I'll sell him a serial. *laugh* |
| 18:22.55 | nevcairiel | thats not so stupid yet :P |
| 18:23.15 | Fisker | Now 4 days later he's saying "that it turns out he has to download it first" and he then needs someone to give him a dvd copy |
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| 18:23.26 | Fisker | oh and you know what's worse? |
| 18:23.34 | Fisker | He just replied saying he got it sent online |
| 18:23.36 | Fisker | WTF |
| 18:24.00 | Lunessa | He's asking it to be delivered by a hot blonde who will service him and his computer at the same time? |
| 18:24.14 | Fisker | "I need to download Vista, giev link plx" -> "WTF? You have to download?" -> "Giev physical copy plx" -> "Oh i just had it sent to me from someone else" |
| 18:24.15 | Fisker | hurr |
| 18:24.16 | Fisker | durr |
| 18:24.18 | Fisker | derp |
| 18:24.20 | Fisker | DERP |
| 18:24.20 | Fisker | DERP |
| 18:24.44 | Fisker | my rage level |
| 18:25.34 | Fisker | That reminds of that guy who insisted he didn't want to wait a few days for the new G92 chips to launch |
| 18:25.35 | Lopeppeppy | That is when I like to get out my No Stick. |
| 18:25.39 | Fisker | So he bought the old one |
| 18:25.53 | Fisker | Then proceeded to complain about crysis performance and bought another G80 |
| 18:25.54 | Fisker | hurr |
| 18:27.42 | ScytheBlade1 | You can order physical media cheap from MS |
| 18:27.50 | ScytheBlade1 | It isn't a license, but just the same |
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| 18:41.14 | Lunessa | Or if you're a student at most major universities you can get Microsoft (and many other manufacturer) products pretty cheap. My copy of Windows 7 Pro was $10 and Office 2007 was $20. |
| 18:41.33 | nevcairiel | I get windows for free |
| 18:41.35 | nevcairiel | weee! |
| 18:41.49 | nevcairiel | not that i use it |
| 18:42.02 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: Does someone [pay for MSDN for you? |
| 18:42.18 | kdtresh | we have technet here, used to have msdn |
| 18:42.26 | kdtresh | technet is cheaper and you get office too |
| 18:42.39 | nevcairiel | university has MSDNAA, not sure if they actually have to pay for that |
| 18:43.11 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: They do, but you don't so for you... free. :) |
| 18:44.10 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/211112503 |
| 18:45.47 | Fisker | i got a retail copy of win7 pro for 1/3 the retail price |
| 18:45.49 | Fisker | i'm happy |
| 18:46.10 | Fisker | EU Commission ftw/ftl |
| 18:46.12 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. stupid question, but is there any addon that can display some kind of customizable persistant notification based on a criteria like mana percentage & spell cooldown? |
| 18:46.57 | NightHawkTheSane | might just write something simple himself.. |
| 18:47.58 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: PowerAuras, Ghost Pulse, etc... |
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| 18:49.26 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, ill take a look. What i want is some persistent notification that its a good time to use mana tide (ideally, when all/most of my party is low enough on mana, but just myself would be sufficient) |
| 18:49.39 | NightHawkTheSane | course ialso dont want it to show up if mana tide is cooling |
| 18:50.44 | Lunessa | NHTS - I usually fire it up when MSBT fires off the "Low Mana Warning" sound |
| 18:52.17 | NightHawkTheSane | well, thing is, tide returns what.. 35% mana? so i want the notification when i'm at 60-65%, so i can pop it early, and have it come back up sooner. |
| 18:52.27 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont want to set msbt's low mana warning to 65% though :P |
| 18:55.55 | foxlit | NHTS: Surely you're mildly aware of your own mana level? :) |
| 18:57.06 | Adys | To reiterate, I'm not denying that there is an disturbingly low percentage of women in FOSS development. I'm just questioning what's causing that. It's probably a number of factors including Hollywood not showing women as the computer hacker in many of their movies |
| 18:57.13 | Adys | And now |
| 18:57.23 | Adys | Hacker porn all comes back, thanks to whoever it was who linked it |
| 18:58.10 | Tepel | And if there is a female hacker in a movie is it undoubtedly a hottie |
| 18:58.26 | Tepel | Not that I'm complaining, after all, it's fiction |
| 18:58.27 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: mildly, yes, but sometimes I'm not immediately/readily "aware" of when i cross that particular threshold. I'm thinking (and not entirely convinced, to be sure) that some notification might help. |
| 18:58.43 | Adys | Tepel: eh, matrix |
| 18:58.44 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: this is mostly me just brainstorming ideas to help me out, not really saying "i NEED this" |
| 18:58.48 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: to be fair, I have the same problem with using various long-cooldown abilities. |
| 18:58.59 | foxlit | "Hey, I could hit this now, but I don't really *need* this now" |
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| 18:59.36 | foxlit | Is the percentage of women in FOSS really that much worse compared to the percentage of women in any software development environment? |
| 18:59.37 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: right, which is what i want to optimize. Ideally, the sooner i hit mana tide, the sooner it'll be back up. And if I can hit it 2x a fight, vs 1x. that's a LOT more mana for myself and my party |
| 18:59.47 | Shirik | ok, this is quite win http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Command_Line |
| 18:59.52 | Tepel | Adys: what was your point? |
| 18:59.56 | Tepel | What about matrix? |
| 19:00.57 | Adys | [21:59:18] <foxlit> Is the percentage of women in FOSS really that much worse compared to the percentage of women in any software development environment? |
| 19:00.59 | Adys | I doubt it |
| 19:01.03 | NightHawkTheSane | (not that i've been mana starved lately, but hey, never hurts to work on oit) |
| 19:01.07 | Adys | its just sensationafail |
| 19:02.46 | Adys | Itâs not unique, but IME it is significantly worse here than average. I see more sexism from one night of Ruby hacking than I ever have in years of Python hacking. |
| 19:02.48 | Adys | jesus |
| 19:03.01 | Shirik | ruby is more evil than python |
| 19:03.03 | Adys | Ill write that down for my list of why python is better than ruby, I guess |
| 19:03.22 | Adys | "While itâs true the Django pony (which is white, BTW) is usually depicted in the nude, itâs not clear to me that it was intended to have a specific sex. " |
| 19:03.37 | Adys | Okay |
| 19:03.37 | Adys | Now I'm lost. |
| 19:03.38 | zenzelezz | <Adys> Its not unique, but IME it is significantly worse here than average. I see more sexism from one night of Ruby hacking than I ever have in years of Python hacking. <--- that's because guys who work with something named after a jewel feel a need to prove their masculinity |
| 19:03.52 | Adys | lol |
| 19:04.48 | Adys | http://www.google.gr/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=django+pony |
| 19:04.48 | Adys | OKAY |
| 19:04.48 | Adys | I had never heard or seen this until now |
| 19:04.48 | Adys | ruby community is fucked in the most feminist sense of the term |
| 19:06.50 | Adys | The macho Ruby rock star crap is played out. It was cute when it was pointed at Java, XML, and SOAP, but itâs been mutating and spreading for far too long. Being clever isnât good enough anymoreâyou have to be an ass if you want respect. |
| 19:07.02 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.02 | Adys | thats it done reading this crap |
| 19:07.03 | Kraps | ATTENTION VANDALS |
| 19:07.05 | Kraps | WOW! I can't believe you're actually reading this! But now that you are please read the text below... |
| 19:07.07 | Kraps | So you're here to vandalise the GAY page on Uncyclopedia... Fair enough, a brilliant idea, you're obviously very clever to come up with such a funny, mature, witty, etc idea. But alas, let me tell you something... We could have protected this page from being changed, but we think it's far more fun to let you make your changes, and then undo them with one click of the mouse and ban you.... |
| 19:07.08 | Kraps | ...You're actually getting fucked by a GAY page, literally. |
| 19:08.14 | Adys | computers inherited the really insidious âgirls donât likeâ attitude that math has always suffered with |
| 19:08.23 | Adys | ... |
| 19:08.25 | Adys | even though IMHO computers can do more for women, by fixing the ways the education system is broken with how it teaches women |
| 19:08.32 | Fisker | sauce or gtfo Kraps |
| 19:08.37 | Adys | I read dumb and I read dumber |
| 19:08.48 | Adys | then I think that's it but it's not over |
| 19:09.12 | Kraps | Fisker: learn2scroll |
| 19:09.38 | Fisker | fffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 19:10.06 | Fisker | i can't find it |
| 19:10.07 | Fisker | l2link |
| 19:10.51 | Kraps | lol |
| 19:10.56 | Shirik | woah woah |
| 19:11.02 | Shirik | Linux likes KDE over GNOME? |
| 19:11.05 | Shirik | I thought it was the other way around? |
| 19:11.08 | Shirik | Linus* |
| 19:11.14 | foxlit | You thought wrong |
| 19:11.22 | NeoTron | maybe that's before gnome went down the crapper? :P |
| 19:11.45 | Adys | Maybe that's before KDE copypasted windows ui |
| 19:11.48 | Shirik | good, I hate Linus a little less now |
| 19:11.53 | Shirik | lol @ copypasted windows ui |
| 19:11.55 | Fisker | Kraps |
| 19:11.59 | Fisker | i'm going to physically harm you |
| 19:12.00 | nevcairiel | because he likes KDE? |
| 19:12.03 | nevcairiel | I dislike him now :P |
| 19:12.20 | Adys | hurray his popularity rate changed from 62% to 62% |
| 19:12.27 | Kraps | GTFO Fisker |
| 19:12.27 | Shirik | KDE is far superior to GNOME |
| 19:12.39 | Shirik | KDE4 is quite win |
| 19:12.42 | Adys | No, it's not |
| 19:12.43 | Adys | and Im a kde user |
| 19:12.48 | Tepel | I haven't tried KDE 4 but the last time I tried it it was a complete fail |
| 19:12.48 | nevcairiel | i use neither, but if i had to, i would use gnome |
| 19:12.53 | Shirik | works fine for me |
| 19:12.53 | Fisker | make me Kraps |
| 19:12.58 | Fisker | XFCE or gtfo |
| 19:13.03 | Tepel | Haven't tried it recently |
| 19:13.06 | nevcairiel | srsly, xfce4 ftw |
| 19:13.12 | Adys | the whole Qt UI is amazing, themes can be very polished |
| 19:13.13 | Shirik | had to turn off some of the fancy stuff, but I think that's ATI's fault, not KDE's |
| 19:13.15 | Adys | but jesus kde sucks ass |
| 19:13.22 | Shirik | negative |
| 19:13.35 | nevcairiel | GTK+ doesn't look too bad either with a proper theme engine |
| 19:13.40 | Tepel | ATI is still fail under linux currently |
| 19:13.52 | Adys | It does; Gnome has a bunch of decent designers |
| 19:14.09 | Adys | What's with KDE guys just blindly copying windows' every fucking detail |
| 19:14.13 | Adys | like Apply buttons |
| 19:14.16 | Fisker | s/ under linux currently// |
| 19:14.19 | Adys | horrible, horrible Apply buttons |
| 19:14.34 | Tepel | Fisker: They're working on it, it's not just there yet |
| 19:14.43 | Tepel | And nvidia does some serious shit to get things to work |
| 19:14.53 | nevcairiel | at least it actually does work =p |
| 19:14.57 | Adys | nVidia does some serious work |
| 19:14.57 | Tepel | :D |
| 19:15.10 | Adys | I see the devs on wine mailing list for example |
| 19:15.16 | Adys | theres both nvidia and ati contacts |
| 19:15.17 | nevcairiel | its a prop driver which i'm not a big fan of, but it works just fine |
| 19:15.30 | Adys | one nvidia dev is an actual core wine developer who also works on xorg |
| 19:15.33 | Tepel | nvidia replaced the entire bottom layer of X11 iirc |
| 19:15.40 | Adys | the only ati contacts are some random broken-english dudes from japan |
| 19:15.49 | nevcairiel | yeah nvidia provides alot of their own x modules |
| 19:15.56 | nevcairiel | they replace DRI and GLX and even Xinerama |
| 19:15.59 | Adys | Tepel: doesnt mean its wrong to do so |
| 19:16.07 | Tepel | No, I never said it was wrong |
| 19:16.16 | Tepel | I just said they do some serious stuff |
| 19:16.16 | Fisker | i will never betray nvidia |
| 19:16.19 | Fisker | they are my friends :( |
| 19:16.19 | Adys | yeah |
| 19:16.24 | Tepel | While ATI is using the DRI interface |
| 19:16.28 | nevcairiel | but nvidia twinview = <3 |
| 19:16.35 | Adys | Yep nevcairiel |
| 19:16.38 | Adys | Ive been impressed |
| 19:16.46 | nevcairiel | alot better then the X-native Xinerama |
| 19:16.49 | Adys | Ive had dualscreen since 4 years now |
| 19:16.51 | zenzelezz | Tepel: you may want to use the word "stuff" or "work" instead of "shit" when discussing on IRC, just for clarityt |
| 19:16.52 | zenzelezz | -t |
| 19:17.01 | Adys | 4 years ago it was terrible to get working on linux |
| 19:17.10 | Adys | today it's native without problem |
| 19:17.18 | Adys | then again I never had an ati card under linux |
| 19:17.25 | nevcairiel | I just orderd a second screen |
| 19:17.40 | Tepel | zenzelezz: how is "shit" ambiguous? |
| 19:18.06 | Adys | Tepel: i thought you meant "Some serious shitty hacks" |
| 19:18.13 | zenzelezz | ^^ |
| 19:18.17 | Tepel | Ah |
| 19:18.24 | Kraps | will attempt to play wow and find it interesting |
| 19:18.44 | nevcairiel | I've seen so many people come and complain about the errors in the Xorg log when using nvidia |
| 19:18.51 | nevcairiel | because the X Server fails to load dri and dri2 |
| 19:18.56 | nevcairiel | and they think it breaks :P |
| 19:18.58 | Grum | epic |
| 19:19.04 | Grum | 8-12 people are chain crashing in our raid |
| 19:19.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Dewin (n=Daniel@c-71-59-222-35.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 19:19.39 | Tepel | Bah! I really can't be arsed to write docs! |
| 19:19.43 | Tepel | Time for RA3 |
| 19:19.48 | Grum | and i mean chain, i've crit-errored 10x in a row while buffing @ anub |
| 19:19.48 | zenzelezz | Grum discovered the new ultra-hard mode |
| 19:20.25 | Tepel | Random errors are annoying |
| 19:20.43 | Tepel | Crashing a raid because you're AoEing too many whelps if funny as hell |
| 19:20.50 | Tepel | s/if/is/ |
| 19:20.57 | Fisker | Grum |
| 19:21.02 | Fisker | i'm chaincrashing your mom :( |
| 19:21.18 | Grum | you like ashes? |
| 19:22.43 | Shirik | so, we introduced and implemented a technology in class today that is quite interesting |
| 19:22.48 | Shirik | DDR might finally go away :P |
| 19:22.49 | Shirik | QDR! |
| 19:22.51 | Fisker | well who do you think made her into ashes Grum ? |
| 19:23.01 | nevcairiel | Shirik: thats supposed to be a new idea? :P |
| 19:23.04 | Shirik | well |
| 19:23.05 | Grum | nah the crematorium did |
| 19:23.07 | Shirik | compared to DDR |
| 19:23.09 | Shirik | it is |
| 19:23.15 | zenzelezz | Shirik: Quantum Dance Revolution? |
| 19:23.19 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 19:23.22 | Shirik | quad data rate... |
| 19:23.36 | nevcairiel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quad_Data_Rate_SRAM |
| 19:23.36 | tekkub | spin up, spin down, spin down, spin up? |
| 19:23.40 | nevcairiel | it even has a page already |
| 19:23.42 | nevcairiel | its not new :p |
| 19:23.43 | Fisker | Hasn't DDR2 been double the data rate of DDR and DDR3 been double the data rate of DDR2? |
| 19:23.45 | Shirik | Uh |
| 19:23.50 | Shirik | I would expect it to have a page within a day or two |
| 19:24.09 | nevcairiel | the page was created 2004 |
| 19:24.34 | Fisker | oh well nevcairiel |
| 19:24.38 | Fisker | ODR page anyone? |
| 19:24.51 | nevcairiel | I suppose the page could use some extending |
| 19:24.55 | Fisker | Octal Data Rate |
| 19:24.57 | Fisker | ffffffffuuuuuuu- |
| 19:25.01 | nevcairiel | but industry didn't pick up on the idea |
| 19:25.04 | nevcairiel | (yet) |
| 19:25.19 | Fisker | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ODR <-atleast it's red |
| 19:25.51 | zenzelezz | if you're not specifically, speaking of RAM, "QDR technology was introduced by Intel in their Willamette core Pentium 4 CPU, and is currently employed in their Atom, Pentium 4, Celeron, Pentium D, and Core 2 Processor ranges." |
| 19:25.51 | Dewin | hmm |
| 19:26.23 | Dewin | fixes the disambig page. |
| 19:26.53 | nevcairiel | oh yeah, the quad-pump FSB in intel cpus |
| 19:26.56 | zenzelezz | superfluous comma is superfluous |
| 19:27.27 | Grum | waits until Fisker decides to `quadpump` someone |
| 19:27.42 | Fisker | now you ruined the surprise Grum |
| 19:27.44 | Fisker | thanks a lot |
| 19:27.45 | Fisker | jerk |
| 19:27.51 | Fisker | reported for vandalism btw Dewin |
| 19:27.52 | Grum | HAHAHA YOU SUCK BADLY |
| 19:28.30 | foxlit | "The following paths are ignored by one of your .gitignore files: .gitignore" << pro. |
| 19:28.52 | Grum | why would you add .gitignore to your .gitignore file? :( |
| 19:29.02 | zenzelezz | I know you like ignoring, so I put an ignore on your ignore so you can ignore while you ignore |
| 19:29.28 | foxlit | Grum: it's actually a wildcard that eats it. |
| 19:29.44 | nevcairiel | ignoring all dot files, eh |
| 19:29.46 | Grum | seems like fail entries :) |
| 19:34.04 | Shirik | Eh, still, nevcairiel |
| 19:34.22 | Shirik | in that wiki page they're talking mostly about internal stuff |
| 19:34.27 | Shirik | I'm talking about actual external memory |
| 19:34.50 | nevcairiel | huh? |
| 19:34.51 | zenzelezz | is the theory much different for external? |
| 19:34.56 | Shirik | it is, unfortunately |
| 19:35.01 | Shirik | the idea is relatively the same |
| 19:35.07 | Shirik | but we have such huge latencies right now |
| 19:35.26 | Shirik | you have no hope of getting it within 1/4 clock cycle |
| 19:35.34 | Shirik | you barely have hope of getting it within 1 clock cycle |
| 19:35.58 | Shirik | but you do have alternative benefits |
| 19:36.40 | nevcairiel | If nothing else turns up, we'll have memristor RAMs in some years |
| 19:36.51 | Shirik | that's true as well |
| 19:36.58 | zenzelezz | sure hope so |
| 19:37.00 | Shirik | I'm trying to debate what's going to happen |
| 19:37.11 | Shirik | I do expect QDR external ram |
| 19:37.18 | Shirik | but I'm wondering if it will go off like RDRAM |
| 19:37.25 | Shirik | and tossed aside by newer technology |
| 19:37.35 | nevcairiel | depends when it will come out |
| 19:37.42 | Shirik | so true |
| 19:37.46 | Fisker | btw nicoli_s |
| 19:37.51 | Fisker | SC2 beta within a month |
| 19:37.51 | nevcairiel | and if it has more support |
| 19:37.52 | Shirik | that being said |
| 19:38.01 | nevcairiel | RD failed because it was so limited |
| 19:38.08 | Shirik | memristor technology could apply QDR tactics |
| 19:38.14 | Shirik | I'm not sure it would |
| 19:38.15 | Shirik | but it could |
| 19:38.19 | zenzelezz | what was RD again... Rambus? Or was the something else entirely? |
| 19:38.23 | Shirik | yeah |
| 19:38.38 | nevcairiel | for PCs rambus only was on one generation of intel boards |
| 19:38.47 | nevcairiel | i believe other platforms used it more |
| 19:38.57 | Shirik | It was kinda a fail technology tbh |
| 19:39.03 | Shirik | It just moved the problem |
| 19:39.05 | zenzelezz | didn't Rambus sort of flop because they fought over licence/patents or something? |
| 19:39.15 | zenzelezz | I seem to remember some dispute |
| 19:39.22 | Shirik | I do remember that too tbh |
| 19:39.28 | Shirik | something like proprietary technology |
| 19:39.30 | nevcairiel | It was too expensive and used too much power |
| 19:39.42 | Shirik | and the whole terminator chips was annoying |
| 19:40.03 | nevcairiel | Rambus is the name of the company that developed it, i guess they kept the rights to it |
| 19:40.14 | zenzelezz | "In 2000, Rambus began filing lawsuits against the largest memory manufacturers, claiming that they owned SDRAM and DDR technology. Seven manufacturers, including Samsung, quickly settled with Rambus and agreed to pay royalties on SDRAM and DDR memory. When Rambus sued Infineon Technologies, however, Micron and Hynix joined forces with Infineon to fight the lawsuit, countersuing with claims of fraud." |
| 19:40.18 | zenzelezz | this is what I was thinking of |
| 19:41.02 | Fisker | rambus made some dual-core memory :O |
| 19:41.31 | Shirik | rofl |
| 19:41.37 | Fisker | http://www.nordichardware.com/news,9936.html |
| 19:41.39 | Shirik | I think my Bamboo license is broken |
| 19:41.40 | Shirik | I installed it |
| 19:41.43 | Shirik | and now down at the bottom it says |
| 19:41.47 | Shirik | Powered by a free Atlassian Bamboo community license for com.atlassian.extras.core.DefaultProductLicense$DefaultOrganisation@137c9ea. Try Bamboo - The Zen of Continuous Integration. |
| 19:41.51 | nevcairiel | Rambus also build ODR RAM, Fisker :P |
| 19:41.56 | nevcairiel | its in use in the PS3 |
| 19:42.04 | nevcairiel | called XDR-RAM |
| 19:42.17 | Fisker | LOL |
| 19:42.23 | Fisker | eXtreme Data Rate |
| 19:42.27 | Fisker | get over yourself faggots |
| 19:42.31 | Shirik | lol |
| 19:42.35 | nevcairiel | nearly |
| 19:42.36 | nevcairiel | extreme data rate dynamic random access memory |
| 19:42.37 | nevcairiel | ^ |
| 19:42.44 | zenzelezz | "In July 2009, the United States Patent and Trademark Office rejected 8 claims by Rambus against Nvidia." |
| 19:42.48 | zenzelezz | I guess Rambus is still at it |
| 19:42.53 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 19:42.53 | Shirik | that would be XDR-DRAM |
| 19:43.16 | Shirik | tbh though |
| 19:43.17 | nevcairiel | i always skip the D |
| 19:43.37 | Shirik | transistors are so cheap and compact these days |
| 19:43.43 | Shirik | I don't know why SRAM isn't catching on more |
| 19:43.55 | zenzelezz | patience, padawan |
| 19:43.57 | nevcairiel | aren't they too big to build large RAMs? |
| 19:43.58 | Fisker | oh |
| 19:44.05 | Fisker | lets do UXDR-DRAM |
| 19:44.12 | Fisker | Ultimate eXtreme Data Rate |
| 19:44.34 | foxlit | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.wow.com/media/2009/10/bnet-nov12.jpg << Hm, odd border. |
| 19:44.52 | Shirik | nevcairiel, potentially |
| 19:44.57 | Shirik | but I think the technology should be there |
| 19:45.03 | Shirik | I don't know, I've never really done an analysis on it |
| 19:45.11 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: I suspect addon texture replacement |
| 19:45.17 | Shirik | but it's like, we're focusing on making 16GB sticks |
| 19:45.21 | Shirik | instead of 2GB SRAM chips |
| 19:45.23 | Shirik | and I don't know why |
| 19:45.57 | Shirik | SRAM does have one severe problem that DRAM doesn't have |
| 19:45.57 | foxlit | ScytheBlade1: as in nuking the entire edge file? Extreme. |
| 19:46.07 | nevcairiel | I dunno, i've always just heard it would be too big and require too much energy if you build it purely out of transistors |
| 19:46.08 | Shirik | which only manifests itself when you have huge sizes |
| 19:46.14 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: or replacing it with really small, 100% transparent one |
| 19:46.25 | Shirik | Too much energy? SRAM is more efficient |
| 19:46.34 | Shirik | because it doesn't require a refresh charge |
| 19:46.37 | nevcairiel | but SRAM would mean it would run on full cpu clock, right? |
| 19:46.40 | Shirik | it's truly latching |
| 19:47.00 | Shirik | Here's the interesting problem though |
| 19:47.19 | Shirik | Because SRAM requires more transistors, it also has an exponentially manifesting problem |
| 19:47.27 | Shirik | you have to start putting transistors in parallel |
| 19:47.42 | Shirik | because you build an RC circuit accidentally |
| 19:47.48 | Shirik | and you have to reduce the resistance of the transistor |
| 19:47.51 | Shirik | so you use two instead |
| 19:47.55 | Fisker | i know what you're trying to do Shirik |
| 19:47.58 | Shirik | but if you use two at one place, upstream you now have to use four |
| 19:47.59 | Fisker | but my brain won't explode |
| 19:48.01 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/10/12/funny-pictures-the-whole-cage-thing/ |
| 19:48.03 | Shirik | then eight, then 16, and so forth |
| 19:48.15 | nevcairiel | sounds like a fun exponential problem |
| 19:48.23 | Shirik | DRAM doesn't have as much of an issue because it uses far less transistors, and thus the resistance is much less |
| 19:48.42 | zenzelezz | DRAM is more of a push-over? |
| 19:48.49 | Shirik | yes :P |
| 19:49.08 | zenzelezz | peppy, what do you think about all this? |
| 19:49.35 | Shirik | It's a really strange phenomenon |
| 19:49.44 | Shirik | Your resistance is too high, so you put transistors in parallel |
| 19:49.56 | Shirik | Doing that increases capacitance upstream, so the resistance needs to be even LESS upstream |
| 19:50.03 | Shirik | so you put even more transistors in parallel |
| 19:50.29 | Shirik | I think that might be the only major drawback to SRAM in large sizes right now |
| 19:50.47 | Shirik | the fun thing is, memristors shouldn't have this problem |
| 19:50.57 | foxlit | It's official: addon development is dead :) |
| 19:51.05 | Shirik | transistors have this problem because they are, quite literally, a capacitor |
| 19:51.26 | Shirik | two doped materials separated from each other |
| 19:51.32 | Fisker | wat foxlit ? |
| 19:51.33 | NeoTron | foxlit: ok |
| 19:51.45 | nevcairiel | foxlit: do i still get paid? |
| 19:51.48 | TopTop18 | foxlit, Noes! |
| 19:52.05 | Shirik | But here's an important question: How restrictive will HP be on its patent for memristors |
| 19:52.10 | TopTop18 | Q1: what am I doing right now then xD |
| 19:52.14 | Shirik | and will that drive costs like mad? |
| 19:52.25 | Shirik | Probably not something to consider for 5-10 years, but still |
| 19:52.42 | nevcairiel | they'll certainly make loads of money with that ;) |
| 19:52.43 | zenzelezz | foxlit: how so? |
| 19:52.59 | foxlit | Sensationalist headlines based on the topics discussed in this channel :) |
| 19:53.06 | zenzelezz | haha |
| 19:53.10 | Shirik | I'm sure they'll make money |
| 19:53.17 | Shirik | but will it push it out of consumer reach |
| 19:53.19 | Shirik | that is the question |
| 19:53.40 | nevcairiel | Would be kinda sad if it didn't, being like that missing part of electronics and all =p |
| 19:54.07 | Shirik | sad if it didn't? |
| 19:54.17 | TopTop18 | Fozlit, it wasn;t me xD I kept on topic a tiny bit xD |
| 19:54.24 | Cide | does anyone know what file tostringall() is defined in? |
| 19:58.07 | TopTop18 | Cide, Restricted Environment.lua |
| 19:58.11 | Cide | found it, yep |
| 19:58.11 | Cide | thanks |
| 19:58.45 | TopTop18 | :D first time I mad eme usefull xD |
| 19:59.34 | Lunessa | Oh man, the marketing wonk who thought up Pop-Up ads that look like system windows? I love that guy. And by love I really mean "Want to drop into a wood-chipper." |
| 20:00.21 | Shirik | ok |
| 20:00.25 | Shirik | Aion is awesome |
| 20:00.35 | Shirik | that is all |
| 20:01.16 | Lunessa | Shirik: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/10/2/ |
| 20:01.30 | Lopeppeppy | No matter what the pop ups look like, sheeple click them. |
| 20:01.37 | Shirik | lmao |
| 20:01.39 | Shirik | wtf Lunessa |
| 20:02.20 | Lunessa | Shirik: I don't play it, but I thought it was amusing, that's all. |
| 20:02.31 | Shirik | that being said, I have almost always played female characters :P |
| 20:03.00 | Shirik | ironically, Shirik is the only male character I ever actively played |
| 20:03.19 | Lopeppeppy | I play both genders |
| 20:03.23 | Shirik | and that was primarily because dwarf female hunter doesn't.... sit well with me |
| 20:03.50 | Lopeppeppy | My best was convincing people for almost 6 months that my character Kirwan was played by my IRL son doing minor-shares-account rules |
| 20:04.08 | Shirik | but it was by you? |
| 20:04.43 | Fisker | Aion is shit Shirik |
| 20:04.45 | Fisker | in your face |
| 20:04.46 | Shirik | negative |
| 20:04.49 | Shirik | Aion is awesome |
| 20:04.54 | Fisker | Negative |
| 20:04.56 | Fisker | Aion is shit |
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| 20:05.18 | Lopeppeppy | It was me. Shirik! I don't have any baby-monsters of my very own, I have to rent them in order to feed the demons. |
| 20:05.19 | Lunessa | Fisker is a meat popsicle. |
| 20:05.31 | Shirik | oh I don't know Lopeppeppy :( |
| 20:05.56 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. Trust me. Owning spawn is not my thing. |
| 20:06.17 | Lopeppeppy | I'd have to share them with the ex, and then we'd argue who gets the top half and who gets the diaper half. Nothin' doing. |
| 20:06.26 | Shirik | lmao |
| 20:06.37 | Shirik | the top half and the diaper half |
| 20:06.42 | Shirik | I like how you divide your theoretical children |
| 20:06.55 | Lopeppeppy | Found out the other day that he and his girlfriend are spawning, I hope he gets the diaper half permanently! |
| 20:07.37 | Fisker | you can't stop me Shirik |
| 20:07.48 | Fisker | i'm like the Large Hardon Collider |
| 20:07.59 | Fisker | btw funny story about that Al-Qaeda guy working there |
| 20:08.12 | Shirik | what, seriously? |
| 20:08.16 | Fisker | Maybe they wanted to create a black hole and teach the infidels |
| 20:08.21 | Fisker | srsly |
| 20:08.24 | Shirik | link |
| 20:08.41 | Fisker | http://gizmodo.com/5378259/large-hadron-collider-scientist-by-day-suspected-al-qaeda-terrorist-by-night |
| 20:09.18 | Shirik | wtf |
| 20:11.09 | Fisker | Shirik du er stram |
| 20:11.14 | Fisker | i politikken ikke i dåsen self |
| 20:11.42 | Shirik | sumimasen |
| 20:11.55 | Fisker | i don't speak idiot :( |
| 20:11.55 | Lunessa | "None of our research has potential for military application, and all our results are published openly in the public domain." I dispute the first portion of that statement - physics research always leads to new and interesting understandings of the universe and potential ways to kill each other. |
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| 20:13.51 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 20:13.52 | Fisker | i want a hdd |
| 20:14.02 | Lopeppeppy | Have a pwny instead. |
| 20:15.21 | Shirik | lol @ pwny |
| 20:15.35 | Shirik | ok I need food |
| 20:15.38 | Shirik | my stomach is yelling at me |
| 20:15.55 | Lopeppeppy | Pretty pretty pink princess fluffy butt pony with a purple mane and a star on her cheek, no less. |
| 20:21.37 | Fisker | i still want a hdd |
| 20:21.44 | Fisker | the pwny didn't satisfy my needs at all |
| 20:21.54 | Fisker | THIS IS THE WORST PWNY EVER Lopeppeppy |
| 20:22.21 | Lopeppeppy | Dude, you have to blow it up before you can ride it, just like all of your other 'blow up toys'. |
| 20:22.23 | Lunessa | Fisker: Perhaps you're not inserting it into the right orifice. |
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| 20:22.36 | olafski | ackis: ping :D |
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| 20:25.19 | Lunessa | Oh FFS - people changing tabards for their guild to pink for Breast Cancer Awareness month? What's next? Rainbow tabards for Gay Pride day? Blue tabards because someone had a baby boy? |
| 20:25.39 | Lopeppeppy | If they want to pay for it, I guess... |
| 20:26.05 | olafski | it's not that expensive ;) |
| 20:26.09 | Fisker | black tabards because you're racist? |
| 20:26.12 | Lunessa | I mean seriously, if you want to help a cause or support it, go DO SOMETHING, don't pin on a ribbon and act like you've done something. |
| 20:26.29 | Lunessa | Fisker: Black is usually associated with mourning. |
| 20:26.54 | olafski | if the idea is to raise awareness, it has worked lunessa |
| 20:27.03 | olafski | they raised your awareness and in turn you are raising ours |
| 20:27.34 | Lunessa | olafski: I dispute that they raised my awareness. I stipulate that they raised my ire. |
| 20:28.56 | olafski | are you more aware of the issue now than you were before? |
| 20:29.02 | olafski | I am either way =) |
| 20:29.24 | foxlit | wtb the tf2 medic gun graphic for teammates. |
| 20:30.10 | Lunessa | olafski: No. I was not. I actually find the "pink" campaign exploitive rather than supportive. |
| 20:30.42 | foxlit | I know battlegrounds are an exercise in futility and frustration, but it feels like those people really have no idea as to who's healing them. |
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| 20:32.14 | olafski | your opinion of it does not equal your awareness of it in my opinion :-) |
| 20:32.21 | Lunessa | foxlit: The healer is the guy with all the Hunter's Marks on him. :P |
| 20:32.24 | olafski | and with that I've said enough, feel free to disagree :P |
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| 20:34.33 | foxlit | olafski: I think you messed up some prepositions there. |
| 20:35.14 | foxlit | Still, some sort of teammate-only "staying close to *this* guy is good for you" graphic wouldn't be amiss. |
| 20:35.56 | foxlit | doesn't have nearly enough resilience OR hp to survive drawing any hostile attention whatsoever. |
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| 20:36.07 | Lunessa | foxlit: Perhaps. Raid Marking your own members would be helpful. |
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| 20:42.44 | NightHawkTheSane | bgs in his pve gear.. :P |
| 20:43.08 | NightHawkTheSane | (mostly because i dont take pvp seriously and have no pvp gear) |
| 20:43.47 | Lunessa | NHTS - ditto |
| 20:44.08 | NightHawkTheSane | in fact, i only do bgs occasionally, to try and get the damn mounts.. >< |
| 20:44.16 | NightHawkTheSane | is seriously slacking off on that |
| 20:49.44 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: same. That is a recipe for frustration, though. |
| 20:49.52 | foxlit | Dying in a stun duration isn't fun. |
| 20:50.08 | NightHawkTheSane | no, but really, i dont find much of pvp fun, so *shrug* |
| 20:54.23 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/cat_sliding.gif |
| 20:57.54 | Shirik | wtf |
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| 20:58.18 | Shirik | I like the dog in the top right |
| 20:58.24 | Shirik | that's staring like "wtf are you doing" |
| 20:59.10 | Dewin | Ah, nothing like accidentally wiping half of my wow settings :-/ |
| 20:59.28 | Dewin | I know various ways to recover, but none are effective after reloadui >.> |
| 21:00.26 | NightHawkTheSane | constantly backing up your wtf directory is :P |
| 21:00.43 | Dewin | NHTS: Technically, I had a backup. |
| 21:00.46 | NightHawkTheSane | well, s/constantly/regularly/ |
| 21:00.57 | Dewin | I was working with a second copy of WOW trying out new UI stuff |
| 21:01.31 | Dewin | Then, because I managed to drag a chat window in such a way where the top half was unscreen (thus it was immovable), I had to exit wow to copy stuff from the real copy back over to make it moveable again |
| 21:02.08 | Dewin | Problem is, I accidentally started the 'real' copy and didn't realize until after I deleted some action bar stuff and did a /reloadui to disable an addon |
| 21:04.01 | Fisker | Shirik is spy |
| 21:04.40 | Thunder_Child | KarlKFI|work, do you go to UCI or just work there? |
| 21:04.49 | Dewin | Also, I managed to accidentally break something spectacularly, and I'm surprised the patcher didn't catch it. |
| 21:05.02 | KarlKFI|work | alumn and staff |
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| 21:05.48 | Thunder_Child | KarlKFI|work, ah, my cousin started going there this semester so i was curious. |
| 21:06.01 | Shirik | aww http://kuvaton.com/browse/12931/alice_and_bob_comic.jpg |
| 21:06.24 | Dewin | My duplicate wow setup consists of most of the wow directories symlinked into another folder along with a few key files. Somehow, wow.exe itself had the link broken... so when I started my second copy of WoW, I was running the 3.1 client with 3.2.2 files. It pretty much exploded instantly. |
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| 21:10.40 | Fisker | Shirik is spy |
| 21:11.16 | Thunder_Child | oh lol http://kuvaton.com/browse/12942/isms.jpg |
| 21:11.46 | durcyn | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AHFJBV2a0Q |
| 21:12.57 | KarlKFI|work | Thunder_Child: what's he studying? |
| 21:13.08 | Thunder_Child | KarlKFI|work, chem |
| 21:13.15 | KarlKFI|work | ew |
| 21:13.31 | Thunder_Child | KarlKFI|work, it was bio-chem, but he wanted something easier |
| 21:14.05 | KarlKFI|work | o-chem is a bitch |
| 21:14.20 | KarlKFI|work | that's how they weed out the freshmen |
| 21:14.51 | Thunder_Child | KarlKFI|work, not freshman, xfer |
| 21:15.13 | KarlKFI|work | well, if he hadn't taken ochem i'm sure he woulda got it asap |
| 21:15.43 | KarlKFI|work | probably for strait chem too, but i'm not sure. i know it's part of the bio and bio chem plans |
| 21:15.47 | Thunder_Child | uhh....he still has to take ochem |
| 21:16.20 | KarlKFI|work | w/e |
| 21:16.30 | Thunder_Child | ~lol KarlKFI|work |
| 21:16.30 | purl | ACTION Laughs out Loud at KarlKFI|work |
| 21:17.18 | KarlKFI|work | thanks, needed a good reason. |
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| 21:19.32 | Thunder_Child | http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson132.html |
| 21:19.40 | tsinha | hey, has anyone ever tried to use the UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_EVENT event |
| 21:19.45 | tsinha | i cant get it to work |
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| 21:29.38 | Thunder_Child | odd, someone riped a 1080P movie and stuck it in an avi wrapper |
| 21:29.42 | mikma | hey, what's that australian dude again that does preview clips of game and talks raelly fast? |
| 21:29.45 | mikma | wobwork: you know |
| 21:30.10 | Thunder_Child | Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw |
| 21:30.20 | Thunder_Child | mikma, ^ |
| 21:32.13 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: the series of reviews itself is called zero punctuation |
| 21:32.24 | mikma | thanks |
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| 22:11.22 | bleeter | weeee forced bnet mergers! yay! hopefully some quitting qqers will give me their stuffs. am trolling forums now :) |
| 22:16.40 | foxlit | The new usernames *suck* |
| 22:17.17 | foxlit | wonders if you can change your battlenet email address |
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| 22:29.04 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: er, why do they suck? |
| 22:29.15 | foxlit | It's an email address. |
| 22:29.53 | Arrowmaster | atleast you can change it |
| 22:29.55 | NightHawkTheSane | and? |
| 22:30.01 | Arrowmaster | unlike original steam accounts |
| 22:30.06 | foxlit | Email addresses as usernames are bad. |
| 22:30.11 | NightHawkTheSane | why? |
| 22:30.20 | ScytheBlade1 | why? |
| 22:30.23 | foxlit | @foo.com is irrelevant to me as a user. |
| 22:30.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Er, okay, but that doesn't make it "bad" |
| 22:30.54 | foxlit | Email addresses can change. |
| 22:30.58 | Arrowmaster | i like my email address but i agree that email address as username is bad at times, especially if you cannot change the username |
| 22:31.05 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a good thing that it can be updated then! |
| 22:31.10 | foxlit | It immediately gives away information about which email you should... recover... to hack the account. |
| 22:31.14 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: if you change your email address then your bnet login changes |
| 22:31.26 | foxlit | And it's apparently not permanent. |
| 22:31.41 | NightHawkTheSane | an inability to change it would make it bad, but i really dont see a problem |
| 22:31.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Practice some half decent security ideas and it becomes a non-issue entirely |
| 22:32.32 | foxlit | It could be a non-issue from the get-go. |
| 22:32.36 | Arrowmaster | yeah like anybody could 'recover' my arrowmaster.net email, they would have to hack google |
| 22:33.15 | foxlit | Funny you mention that :) |
| 22:33.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty much positive that stupid people will continue to be stupid, no matter what their "username" says, or doesn't say, about that |
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| 22:33.43 | foxlit | So removing a layer of insulation is a bad idea. |
| 22:33.47 | ScytheBlade1 | s/about that/about anything/ |
| 22:34.07 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd disagree |
| 22:34.10 | ScytheBlade1 | But I'm also a hater |
| 22:34.21 | ScytheBlade1 | If you get "hacked" then tough luck is my vote :P |
| 22:34.23 | foxlit | Are there any *advantages* to using emails? |
| 22:34.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Providing a clear, presumeably more up to date point of contact than a username with an email attached |
| 22:35.00 | ScytheBlade1 | If you change emails, it is pretty obvious that you should update your account info |
| 22:35.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Without that plainly visible link, most people don't |
| 22:35.14 | ScytheBlade1 | It is not obvious |
| 22:35.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Nor thought of |
| 22:35.54 | orionshock | is there a place where i can download the latest minion with out having to use the built in updater? im getting a java error that probably won't resolve. |
| 22:36.09 | ScytheBlade1 | not really |
| 22:36.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Telling me the error might improve your resolution chances |
| 22:36.38 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: l2telepathy! |
| 22:36.53 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: noted |
| 22:37.36 | orionshock | ScytheBlade1: :) well it's from updating the core via Tools> ModuleCenter ( updating from 2.3.1-> 2.3.2 ). It downloads and wants to restart. |
| 22:37.44 | ScytheBlade1 | As it should |
| 22:38.03 | orionshock | Finding MMOUI Manager... *** Error While Updating java.io.FileNotFoundException: minion.jar com.mmoui.manager.updater.UpdateStatusFrame.main(UpdateStatusFrame.java:184) |
| 22:38.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Windows? |
| 22:38.14 | orionshock | Linux |
| 22:38.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Start minion from the command line, within the minion directory |
| 22:38.36 | ScytheBlade1 | cd ~/Minion (or wherever you have it installed) |
| 22:38.38 | ScytheBlade1 | java -jar minion.jar |
| 22:38.41 | ScytheBlade1 | It'll then work properly |
| 22:39.31 | orionshock | hum, that it did :) thanks ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:39.42 | ScytheBlade1 | np |
| 22:40.28 | tsinha | hey can someone give me a hand with events; im trying to use the UPDATE_MOUSEOVER_EVENT but it doesnt seem to be working |
| 22:42.43 | orionshock | grrr... i really wish that minion and curse client played to geather correctly... |
| 22:43.19 | ScytheBlade1 | hrm? |
| 22:44.41 | orionshock | well there are addons exclusively hosted by wowi and some that are shared between the 2 sites. Like Lightheadded is only on wowi, while Bigwigs is on both. I want Minion to really only touch addons only on wowi, |
| 22:44.59 | Pneumatus | cant you put addons on ignore? |
| 22:45.39 | ScytheBlade1 | That's mostly because authors put up addons on site A or B, instead of A and B, or B instead of A, etc |
| 22:45.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Both updaters have ignore functionality, iirc |
| 22:46.00 | Pneumatus | CC definatly does |
| 22:46.11 | Pneumatus | so just ignore wowi addons in CC, and vice versa |
| 22:46.12 | Pneumatus | and you win |
| 22:46.19 | orionshock | well CC dosn't list addons not on curse. Minion will |
| 22:46.34 | Pneumatus | cc does, actually |
| 22:46.45 | Pneumatus | cc4 at least |
| 22:47.22 | bleeter | foxlit, ScytheBlade1: I think one of the perennial problems Account Admin has had would have been out of date email adresses. |
| 22:48.05 | bleeter | so this at least forces people to think about that, to some degree. and honestly, does it matter if the email address is the login or not? if the computer's got a trojan, it won't matter what the username is, the account's probably hosed |
| 22:48.06 | foxlit | Meh, perhaps I just hate typing @yahoo.com |
| 22:48.18 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 22:48.24 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what you get for using yahoo? |
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| 22:48.41 | Pneumatus | it's easier to social engineer an email acct password than a wow acct password, generally |
| 22:48.45 | foxlit | They have a surprisingly decent email service. |
| 22:48.59 | bleeter | foxlit: yeah I wish config.wtf was more 'supportive' of multiple accounts |
| 22:49.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Hey, you're the one who hates typing it |
| 22:49.16 | Lunessa | Yahoo, Hotmail, GMail, they all have pretty ok e-mail service. |
| 22:49.30 | bleeter | kinda pisses me off that I can only save one login detail, and only have one set of video/sound options saved... can't do it per account |
| 22:49.32 | foxlit | It reminds me that my account is at the mercy of Yahoo. |
| 22:49.33 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: click the "remember account name" checkbox? :P |
| 22:49.42 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: it's checked :) |
| 22:49.46 | Lopeppeppy | Bwah-hah-ha!!! |
| 22:49.48 | bleeter | more annoying under multiple bnet accounts |
| 22:49.50 | NightHawkTheSane | so why are you typing it? :P |
| 22:50.04 | Pneumatus | write a launcher script that pre-edits config.wtf then? |
| 22:50.04 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: I'm not. Figurative; it just being there is annoying as well. |
| 22:50.36 | NightHawkTheSane | hah |
| 22:50.36 | NightHawkTheSane | alternately: use an email with a username part long enough to push @yahoo.com outside the displayed area? :P |
| 22:50.44 | bleeter | Pneumatus: yeah... but.. still. Game is now 'multi-account' capable, in all except the basic low level config. bit silly :P |
| 22:51.31 | foxlit | Perhaps a summary is that you never really own your email address. |
| 22:51.53 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: with bnet accounts being required, i wonder if we might see that for cataclysm.. probaly not.. but *shrug* |
| 22:52.14 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: i guess unless you run your own mail server, dns servers, and registrar, probably not? :P |
| 22:52.18 | Pneumatus | got about as much chance as that happening as us getting more char slots to make worgen/goblins tbh |
| 22:52.53 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: would be nice. if I ever get a chance to hassle guillotine or someone else again, we'll see. after all, I managed to get sound and video options on the login screen in wrath ... so who knows :) |
| 22:52.53 | Lunessa | One of the reasons I use my hotmail.com account for personal e-mail is the longevity of it. It's outlived employers, vanity domains, ISPs, and nearly every other sort of e-mail address I've had for the last 2 decades. |
| 22:52.53 | ScytheBlade1 | I predict they'll do the same thing with character slots that they did with guild banks |
| 22:53.00 | foxlit | They could just fold the entire concept of multiple accounts into letting you log-in for as many sessions as you've got serials. |
| 22:53.08 | ScytheBlade1 | "We didn't do it due to storage concerns" |
| 22:53.16 | NightHawkTheSane | bleh, having login methods scattered over 3-4 different files/functions is a pain in my ass |
| 22:53.18 | ScytheBlade1 | "Okay you all suck, fine we'll do it, quit your whining" |
| 22:53.36 | Pneumatus | there must be a reasonable amount of people with all 10 char slots full by now |
| 22:53.39 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: if you dont at least ask, you can't really complain ;) |
| 22:53.42 | Adys | Shadowed: ping |
| 22:53.48 | Shadowed | Adys: pong |
| 22:53.54 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: and then you'd have to be sure that no part of that is broken in ways you haven't anticipated. |
| 22:53.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Pneumatus: for certain values of reasonable, yeah. but i'd hesitate to say even 30% |
| 22:54.08 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: storage concerns argument is bunk. look at the storage size per $ price now compared to when game launched, do the maths per customers etc. |
| 22:54.19 | bleeter | well, I suspect it's deep bunk |
| 22:54.39 | Lopeppeppy | There's more to it than just storing, you know that. |
| 22:54.42 | bleeter | haven't done it myself, but.. I can by a couple TB down the local shop these days. when WoW launched, they'd have laughed at me for asking |
| 22:54.49 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: was that re: running all your own stuff for email? yeah, more a pain than its worth imo. but the price is that someone else 'controls' your stuff :P |
| 22:55.12 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: true, still... no more slots for DK was not nice. new race AND class combos?? cmon, two slots PLEASE. |
| 22:55.24 | bleeter | also, now can have cross-faction on PvP realms, too |
| 22:55.32 | Lunessa | Pneumatus: You're allowed 50 characters per account across however many servers you feel like playing on. |
| 22:55.34 | Antiarc | http://i36.tinypic.com/2921thc.jpg \o/ |
| 22:55.42 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: can't win, it seems. |
| 22:55.49 | Pneumatus | Lunessa: i want more than 10 on a realm |
| 22:56.01 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: not unless you're idiotically rich.. |
| 22:56.04 | Pneumatus | i don't want to go to another realm just to make a worgen |
| 22:56.24 | bleeter | yeah they didn';t increase the count for BE/DR either, did they? |
| 22:56.28 | NightHawkTheSane | wait until they open up race changes for them and then do that? :P |
| 22:56.36 | NightHawkTheSane | bleeter: no, but that was much less obnoxious |
| 22:56.39 | foxlit | Just delete one of your characters. |
| 22:56.44 | foxlit | </cruel> |
| 22:56.48 | NightHawkTheSane | because it was ONLY new races, now 2x expansions later.. |
| 22:56.49 | Pneumatus | not gonna happen |
| 22:56.55 | Lunessa | Pneumatus: And I want a weekend in the Bahamas with then entire Swedish Bikini Team in a tub full of baby oil. Dream big man, dream BIG. |
| 22:56.58 | foxlit | Or move *them* to another realm. |
| 22:57.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Antiarc: what are we \o/'ing at? |
| 22:57.51 | Antiarc | That's my UI, it's all sexy now |
| 22:58.00 | NightHawkTheSane | ahh |
| 22:58.03 | Pneumatus | being forced to either delete a level 80 char, or move to another realm to experience the new levelling content is retarded |
| 22:58.09 | NightHawkTheSane | i dunno, your ui has always been pretty sexy :P |
| 22:58.16 | Antiarc | It's sexier now! |
| 22:58.18 | NightHawkTheSane | (but that one IS quite nice) |
| 22:58.45 | NightHawkTheSane | what's the name of that addon below you target frame, with the times? |
| 22:58.55 | Antiarc | SexyCooldown :P |
| 22:59.24 | NightHawkTheSane | cool. i knew -what- it was cause i saw you post some screenshots some time ago, didn't know the name. i'll have to check it out |
| 22:59.30 | WobWork | Lunessa: A tub full of baby oil? |
| 22:59.34 | WobWork | It sounds... impractical |
| 22:59.51 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, you'd have to kill a lot of babies to get that much oil |
| 22:59.54 | Lopeppeppy | baby oil, what did I miss? |
| 22:59.58 | Lunessa | WobWork: I am a product of the 70s. What do you want for off-the-cuff jokes? |
| 23:00.00 | WobWork | cause, y'know, holding your breath underwater is easier when it's just water |
| 23:00.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: how about a tub of jello? |
| 23:00.31 | WobWork | not too bad |
| 23:00.33 | Lunessa | I'm not a big fan of Jell-O |
| 23:00.36 | WobWork | until you consider bodily fluids |
| 23:00.38 | NightHawkTheSane | pudding? |
| 23:00.48 | WobWork | How about mud? |
| 23:00.58 | NightHawkTheSane | muds rather disgusting to taste, though |
| 23:01.01 | Lopeppeppy | How about none of them. |
| 23:01.08 | WobWork | Hot tub! |
| 23:01.20 | WobWork | hm, you'd not be able to spend too long in there |
| 23:01.51 | WobWork | Antiarc: what unitframes do you use? |
| 23:02.01 | Lunessa | Champagne, Sauna, Hot Tub, and serious amounts of Gatorade to replenish my precious bodily fluids. |
| 23:02.02 | Antiarc | Shadowed Unit Frames |
| 23:02.32 | Shadowed | Antiarc is the official spokesman of SUF |
| 23:02.42 | WobWork | I have a terrible habit of, as I'm levelling, adding my new spells and stuff to action bars |
| 23:02.55 | WobWork | so by 80, I have like.. 5 rows of spells |
| 23:03.00 | Antiarc | I do that, then pare it down at 80 |
| 23:03.00 | WobWork | majority of which I never use |
| 23:03.08 | WobWork | I just did that kinda last night |
| 23:03.09 | Antiarc | By then I know what I use, so I keybind or put things in OPie |
| 23:03.13 | WobWork | brought everything down to a single row |
| 23:03.14 | Antiarc | And put a few on my bars |
| 23:03.19 | WobWork | (and shoved a lot into Opie) |
| 23:03.24 | NightHawkTheSane | Yeah, whiel leveling i throw stuff on bars in whatever way seems most convenient at the time |
| 23:03.25 | Antiarc | I have my seals and blessings in opie, forexample |
| 23:03.33 | WobWork | I dunno, how my DK will work though =) |
| 23:03.35 | NightHawkTheSane | when i hit 80, i rework it to be sane and (more or less) optimal |
| 23:03.48 | WobWork | Else you'd be NightHawkTheMessy! |
| 23:04.04 | NightHawkTheSane | no, I'd be NightHawkTheMess.. stupid freenode nick limits :P |
| 23:04.48 | Lopeppeppy | Mixing champagne with gatorade? I've heard of champagne and orange juice, I guess... |
| 23:04.48 | WobWork | Better than NightHawkThemes |
| 23:04.48 | NightHawkTheSane | haha, touche |
| 23:04.48 | WobWork | It's like a sporty mimosa =P |
| 23:06.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: request: spell *whitelist* for sexycooldowns, as opposed to just a blacklist |
| 23:06.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure I have no desire to blacklist every random piece of gear that I ever obtain that has a proc |
| 23:07.10 | Antiarc | I'll think about how I want to do that, sure |
| 23:07.19 | Antiarc | Right now I use internal UIDs for blacklisting effects |
| 23:07.21 | bleeter | oO the writer of Saving Private Ryan's gunna write the warcraft movie |
| 23:07.29 | Lopeppeppy | ... that could be bad, or good |
| 23:07.32 | Lunessa | I do this - I put everything on Bar 1 - then set up paging based on modifiers, and put stuff on Bar 2 or 3 (alt or ctrl) based on functions. Then I use Bar 4 for "need handy for clicking, but doesn't need a keybind" stuffs. |
| 23:07.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Really, I track (1) spell cooldowns and (2) on use items |
| 23:07.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I have I think four different procs that proc all. the. time. |
| 23:07.52 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 23:07.53 | bleeter | LADIES AND GERMS WE HAVE A MOVIE TITLE 'SAVING PRIVATE JENKINS' |
| 23:07.57 | ScytheBlade1 | And I don't care all for them |
| 23:08.06 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Champagne to get started, Gatorade when I'm dehydrated and need more power. |
| 23:08.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Antiarc: everything that comes across has a spell ID, right? |
| 23:08.33 | Lopeppeppy | Power. Raw. |
| 23:08.49 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1: Not necessarily. I built it so that you can track anything you want. |
| 23:08.58 | Antiarc | You give it a name, texture, start time, duration, and optional tooltip callback |
| 23:09.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Ahh |
| 23:09.05 | Antiarc | And it'll display a timer |
| 23:09.08 | ScytheBlade1 | So you went the extra mile then |
| 23:09.11 | Antiarc | Yeah |
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| 23:09.27 | Antiarc | Internal UIDs are things like spell:1234 or player-buff:Inspiration |
| 23:09.36 | Antiarc | Just some...unique...identifier. |
| 23:09.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Right |
| 23:10.05 | ScytheBlade1 | And I haven't had time to try... does it track school lockouts/silences? |
| 23:10.13 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd be quite a bit more tricky to do |
| 23:10.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Just curious |
| 23:10.51 | Antiarc | I haven't built it to specifically, it might, but not intentionally :) |
| 23:10.59 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 23:11.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Fair enough |
| 23:11.24 | ScytheBlade1 | The last one I used was CooldownButtons, which was nice but whenever I got counterspelled |
| 23:11.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I got about 12 buttons pop up on screen because they all went on cool |
| 23:12.24 | Antiarc | mm, I'll have to check that. |
| 23:13.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Ideally it'd pop a single icon representing that school (or silence in general) but |
| 23:13.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd much much rather have the whitelist ;) |
| 23:13.55 | Antiarc | ScytheBlade1: It'll only show the spell you were casting when locked out :) |
| 23:14.02 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd work |
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| 23:16.15 | Lunessa | You need a big message " Inc Pain - You've been Silenced!" |
| 23:17.16 | Arrowmaster | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/10/font-bureau-clashes-with-nbc-over-font-licensing.ars |
| 23:17.39 | Arrowmaster | heh good the type foundries are in the news showing off how big of douches they are |
| 23:17.44 | Lunessa | Silence or Counter Spell really sucks as an Elemental Shaman. It makes me glad I leveled engineering for that toon. |
| 23:19.50 | Jerub | I redid my actionbar last night to /cast !Maul. That was awesome. |
| 23:19.52 | WobWork | so true =( |
| 23:19.56 | Jerub | so much easier to tank now |
| 23:20.09 | WobWork | or at least against fire/nature immune mobs |
| 23:20.24 | Lunessa | WobWork: /hate/ immune elementals. |
| 23:20.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: >.> i hadn't thought of doing that |
| 23:20.27 | WobWork | hate nature immune mobs =( |
| 23:20.35 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: someone suggested it here yesterday. |
| 23:20.37 | WobWork | You're sitting there waiting for cooldowns =( |
| 23:20.47 | Lunessa | And getting the shit kicked out of you. |
| 23:21.03 | WobWork | hehe you're like "omg, I shouldn't have pulled the lot of them" |
| 23:21.05 | Jerub | so now mangle/FFF/lacerate/swipe all hit maul as well. |
| 23:21.10 | NightHawkTheSane | there aren't many in wrath though, are there? |
| 23:21.16 | NightHawkTheSane | (nature immune mobs) |
| 23:21.25 | WobWork | not too many that I've noticed |
| 23:21.28 | foxlit | Just, oh, some elementals. |
| 23:21.35 | WobWork | but the occasional one screws you up =P |
| 23:21.36 | foxlit | Air is fussy, iirc. |
| 23:21.38 | NightHawkTheSane | i remember nagrand being a pita |
| 23:21.39 | WobWork | yeah |
| 23:22.05 | Lunessa | In Howling Fjord there's a few. That quest SUCKED to solo. |
| 23:22.24 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, dont think i remember those |
| 23:22.38 | WobWork | there's a plateu near sholazar |
| 23:22.45 | WobWork | with fire and water elementals fighting |
| 23:22.50 | WobWork | and air off to the side |
| 23:23.06 | WobWork | might be a horde thing |
| 23:23.27 | foxlit | In the basin, surely? |
| 23:23.57 | foxlit | I'm thinking of Stormwright's shelf. |
| 23:24.02 | Lunessa | Bah, Not Howling Fjord, Grizzly Hills. Sorry |
| 23:24.02 | WobWork | well, still in BT |
| 23:24.06 | NightHawkTheSane | those aren't nature immune, are they? hm, i dont recall |
| 23:24.16 | NightHawkTheSane | (the ones in sholazar) |
| 23:24.22 | WobWork | they're not |
| 23:24.24 | foxlit | I don't think you ever touch them. |
| 23:24.26 | WobWork | not on the shelf |
| 23:24.28 | Lunessa | WobWork: Those are all Horde only quests. |
| 23:24.47 | foxlit | (outside of your vehicle) |
| 23:24.58 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: you wouldn't normally, but that does't mean you CANT. |
| 23:25.16 | NightHawkTheSane | and they do drop crystallized air, if you're lacking that for some bizzare reason |
| 23:26.41 | Lunessa | Mote Extractor = Free money |
| 23:27.08 | WobWork | I think the thing that's stopped me from reducing my action bars down to a few has been watching cooldowns |
| 23:27.15 | WobWork | which SexyCooldowns will help |
| 23:29.22 | WobWork | although still not sure how many for my DK I can reliably pull down to |
| 23:29.22 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe someday I should be an engineer and chase motes of fun money production. |
| 23:29.47 | WobWork | I don't really like paging on modifier |
| 23:36.18 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: You'd have to log in first. :P |
| 23:36.43 | Lunessa | WobWork: It works for me. Comes in handy. |
| 23:41.53 | Lopeppeppy | is duly chastized. |
| 23:42.12 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, it must be cold in here, Kendra is cuddling again. I already turned the heat on, what more does she want? |
| 23:43.56 | Lunessa | Warmth. You could have the heater one, a hot pad, and a heated blanket and she'd snuggle for more warmth. |
| 23:44.27 | Lopeppeppy | No, she doesn't snuggle usually. She's more of a "this is my end of the couch, you stay over there" kind of cat. She just shoved her way between me and the arm of the couch. |
| 23:45.20 | Jerub | oooh, a CAT. |
| 23:45.30 | syrae | hehe |
| 23:45.38 | Lunessa | Well, you did add a new cat recently, one who is snuggle inclined. Envy and need for reassurance will do that too. |
| 23:45.39 | Lopeppeppy | One of my matched set of potential-slippers. |
| 23:46.06 | Lopeppeppy | Kendra might miss me, that's true. She can't even sleep under my bed anymore, the horror. |
| 23:46.36 | Lopeppeppy | And never will, if I have my way. Bedroom is Catfree for 2010, baby! |
| 23:48.45 | mikma | lopeppeppy: food |
| 23:49.08 | Lunessa | Mmm... Food, Do Want. |
| 23:49.16 | Lopeppeppy | food is plentiful, no need for human intervention. |
| 23:55.24 | Jerub | it's always better to feed cats manually. lest they get the idea they can do without us |
| 23:57.55 | Lopeppeppy | No, if you feed them manually, they start to think they can wake you up for it. I do feed them gushy food sometimes, but not on a schedule they can predict. If they ever woke me up for food, I'd have to slay them. Hence, matching prospective slippers. |
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