| 00:00.31 | tem | kd3, I'm still 78 |
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| 00:00.48 | tem | I did my DK druid and paladin to 80 first |
| 00:00.50 | kd3 | it's a good leveling spec too |
| 00:00.59 | syrae | Jerub: scratch that. Extendable noodely appendages! (~O_o)ââ~~ |
| 00:01.03 | kd3 | soon as I hit 75 I swapped to frostfire and didn't look back |
| 00:01.07 | kd3 | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Medivh&cn=Kaydeethree&gn=Omerta |
| 00:01.12 | syrae | Like a Faceless one crossed with Kirby |
| 00:01.15 | syrae | just for you |
| 00:02.19 | tem | so as frostfire you pretty much just use glyph of frostfire instead of fireball, yes? |
| 00:02.29 | kd3 | ya |
| 00:02.51 | tem | (I also went frostfire at 78, but with some level-ish tweaks to the build like picking up shatter for shits) |
| 00:02.58 | tem | s/78/75/ |
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| 00:04.45 | tem | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#of0Vzu0IZZVIccofuhfzMfsh:Rqi |
| 00:04.51 | p3lim | hm say I have a table: t={x={'foo'}}, t[x][str] return nil |
| 00:04.54 | tem | seems like it'd be the pve frost spec |
| 00:04.58 | Jerub | What's the deal with hit/glancing blow/crit? |
| 00:05.10 | kd3 | jerub; elaborate |
| 00:05.15 | kd3 | also, look at the relevant wiki articles |
| 00:05.33 | Jerub | kd3: can you recommend one on the topic of melee attacks against raid bosses? |
| 00:05.50 | p3lim | lua> t={x={'foo','moo'},y={'cat','dog'}} t[x]['moo'] |
| 00:05.50 | lua_bot | p3lim: luabot:1: '=' expected near '<eof>' |
| 00:06.05 | p3lim | lua> t={x={'foo','moo'},y={'cat','dog'}} print(t[x]['moo']) |
| 00:06.06 | kd3 | www.wowwiki.com/Attack_table |
| 00:06.06 | lua_bot | p3lim: luabot:1: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value) |
| 00:06.48 | kd3 | scroll down to example 2 for precisely what you're looking for |
| 00:07.17 | tem | kd3, also, for leveling, I'm using the scortch glyph over frostfire |
| 00:07.44 | Jerub | kd3: thanks! |
| 00:10.09 | Jerub | oooh, now i understand what was going on. |
| 00:10.24 | Jerub | I was getting something like 25% glancing, 25% hit, 50% crit, which actually makes sense now. |
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| 00:14.35 | tem | Anyone know if the "Crusader" vendor requires the actual title or just being a champion with all of your factions |
| 00:14.40 | kd3 | the title |
| 00:14.51 | tem | fuckin a |
| 00:14.59 | kd3 | go run lowbie quests |
| 00:15.16 | tem | really don't feel like it |
| 00:15.58 | tem | I'm like 2 days from champion with all factions because I'm lazy and hate doing dailies consistently |
| 00:17.30 | tem | and I've got all these champion emblem thingies that I'd like to spend |
| 00:17.53 | tem | *shrug* |
| 00:18.16 | kd3 | so get the mount/pets from your local faction until you hit crusader? |
| 00:19.53 | theorbtwo | Any hints for Gnome rep, BTW? |
| 00:20.11 | kd3 | same as dwarf rep |
| 00:20.17 | kd3 | plus spillover from all of the others |
| 00:20.30 | kd3 | got gnomer to exalted second-last (as a gnome) |
| 00:20.38 | syrae | also, if you're 80, you can do championing stuff which really boosted all my rep |
| 00:21.04 | theorbtwo | I'm not, only 63. |
| 00:21.31 | syrae | Then look for areas with gnomes and dwarves and do those quests. Also look at cloth turn ins. |
| 00:21.42 | syrae | make sure you've done all the Gnomer quests for example |
| 00:22.23 | syrae | also, most DB sites allow you to search for quests which award a specific reputation, which will help you find things that'll help you out. :) |
| 00:22.42 | theorbtwo | nods. |
| 00:23.11 | NightHawkTheSane | .. Hm. I may have to redo my UI... |
| 00:23.16 | theorbtwo | Just did that on wowhead, going to go downstairs and start shooting. |
| 00:23.27 | syrae | theorbtwo: good luck |
| 00:23.42 | kd3 | the wiki's getting better about that too. hopefully we'll have all of the factions properly categorized soon |
| 00:23.49 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Quests_by_faction |
| 00:24.24 | syrae | I need to help with the wiki more. :-\ Every time I find a page that's crappy, I just sigh and move on instead of helping to fix it. |
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| 00:25.59 | syrae | kd3: are most of the edits done by a fairly small, active group of people similar to the old Wikipedia model (before it got huge and politicized)? |
| 00:26.13 | kd3 | yes |
| 00:26.38 | syrae | I kinda figured. |
| 00:26.51 | kd3 | all of those gory details are at http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:WikiaStats (if you're logged in) |
| 00:27.10 | syrae | I always feel bad wanting to go and do major edits to pages that really need it because I hate stomping on other people's work |
| 00:27.23 | kd3 | don't |
| 00:27.32 | kd3 | part of working on a wiki is stepping on other people's toes |
| 00:27.40 | kd3 | that's just the nature of the beast |
| 00:27.57 | syrae | oooh stats |
| 00:28.00 | syrae | stats are sexy |
| 00:28.28 | syrae | wait |
| 00:28.43 | syrae | the number of editors at all levels of activity are decreasing? |
| 00:28.50 | syrae | That's totally not what I expected |
| 00:29.07 | kd3 | the october numbers are month-to-date |
| 00:29.09 | kd3 | it's only the 8th |
| 00:29.12 | syrae | right |
| 00:29.15 | kd3 | and it fluctuates |
| 00:29.22 | syrae | I was comparing the bottom ~ 6 months tot he top ~6 months |
| 00:29.54 | syrae | looks like about 40% of the editors stopped contributing. |
| 00:30.10 | syrae | at the low edit level |
| 00:30.24 | kd3 | it goes up and down with site visibility; we were top-1000 (~500ish range) we're in the 1500s now |
| 00:30.32 | syrae | ah |
| 00:30.36 | syrae | That would make sense |
| 00:31.41 | syrae | I didn't even know there was a stats page, so thank you for sharing the URL. :) |
| 00:32.39 | kd3 | np |
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| 00:58.50 | Bruners | happy bruners is happy |
| 00:58.57 | Bruners | http://lasseb.tihlde.org/img/images/WoWScrnShot_100909_025612.jpg |
| 01:00.20 | Thunder_Child | it's a good thing i dont work there, i wouldnt let peopl eget away with that crap |
| 01:00.43 | Jerub | Bruners: what happened? |
| 01:01.19 | mikma | nice missclick |
| 01:02.37 | Jerub | oooh, you accidentally bought an 8000g item. |
| 01:03.19 | NeoTron | and that's why your main shouldn't have more than a few k? :P |
| 01:04.40 | Jerub | NeoTron: I have that down pat. |
| 01:04.45 | Jerub | I'm broke constantly :( |
| 01:04.46 | Bruners | i blame tekkub tbh! :P |
| 01:05.20 | Bruners | i got told that was the last time they would something like that for me :P |
| 01:05.50 | NeoTron | Jerub: I am not but my main currently has 12k. probbly better to change that to some alt |
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| 01:06.43 | Tarnovo | Hey fellas. |
| 01:07.40 | mikma | hey, fallos? |
| 01:08.14 | Jerub | i'm jonesing for the new 3.3 patch now |
| 01:08.36 | jpmorgan | how long estimate til it goes live? |
| 01:08.44 | mikma | 6 months |
| 01:08.49 | jpmorgan | pfft |
| 01:09.07 | Adys | http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=-2147483648+as+a+signed+integer |
| 01:09.12 | Adys | this google search should work |
| 01:09.13 | Adys | :( |
| 01:10.29 | NeoTron | mikma: do you REALLY expect that? or do you think it'll be an xmas present? :P |
| 01:10.30 | Tarnovo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mkhx7mkMXa8&feature=related |
| 01:10.36 | Tarnovo | everyone remember that? :D |
| 01:11.33 | Jerub | that'll probably work in wolframalpha |
| 01:12.12 | Jerub | Adys: wait, don't you mean unsigned? |
| 01:12.23 | Adys | actually yeah |
| 01:12.24 | Adys | its late |
| 01:12.29 | Jerub | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=-2147483648+unsigned+integer |
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| 01:13.22 | Cloudwolf | Question. Does a personal(non buisness) paypal account have limits on how much can be given to you per month? |
| 01:13.22 | Adys | nice overflow? duno |
| 01:13.28 | Jerub | Adys: I have a FF plugin that makes the wolframalpha results come up whenever i do a google search. |
| 01:13.46 | NeoTron | Jerub: hax |
| 01:19.05 | Cloudwolf | moo? |
| 01:19.19 | Jerub | how do I macro saying something in taurahe? |
| 01:19.28 | Jerub | needs a /yell MOO macro |
| 01:20.05 | Cloudwolf | i can't say i woudl know how ot macro a langugage change lol |
| 01:20.36 | Cloudwolf | again does any one know if thers a limit to hwo much one can earn on a personal paypal account>? |
| 01:20.38 | Adys | I need some help |
| 01:21.17 | Jerub | Cloudwolf: uh, are you talking, thousands, 10s of thousands, 100s of thousands, or millions |
| 01:21.34 | Cloudwolf | im talking about hundreds to thousands |
| 01:21.35 | Adys | I need the formula that will give me the following ratio: |
| 01:21.38 | Adys | 1:14 |
| 01:21.38 | Adys | 2:14.56 |
| 01:21.38 | Adys | (...) |
| 01:21.38 | Adys | 80:620.571456 (approx) |
| 01:22.38 | Jerub | Adys: you can just plot a quadratic curve through those numbers. |
| 01:23.00 | Adys | your mom can just plot quadratic curves |
| 01:23.42 | Adys | i just need the formula, if I could figure out any way to solve it I wouldn't be asking for help :P |
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| 01:24.34 | Tentacled | ratio..? |
| 01:24.39 | Tentacled | isn't that, like, division? |
| 01:24.58 | Cloudwolf | it coudln't be htat simple! |
| 01:25.12 | Cloudwolf | lua> 1/14 |
| 01:25.12 | lua_bot | Cloudwolf: 0.071428571428571 |
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| 01:25.22 | Cloudwolf | lua> 2/14.56 |
| 01:25.22 | lua_bot | Cloudwolf: 0.13736263736264 |
| 01:25.28 | Cloudwolf | and thus its not |
| 01:25.55 | Iriel | I think he might be after a formula that he can put the left hand number into, and get the right hand number out |
| 01:25.57 | Iriel | who knows |
| 01:26.04 | Adys | Pretty much Iriel |
| 01:26.09 | Adys | it's supposed to be the honor formula |
| 01:26.35 | Iriel | well... |
| 01:26.54 | Jerub | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=cubic+fit+{{1%2C+14}%2C+{2%2C+14.46}%2C+{80%2C+620.57}} |
| 01:26.54 | Iriel | you can assume it's quadratic (since you've only given us 3 points) |
| 01:27.29 | Adys | I have to admit that site is amusingly impressive Jerub |
| 01:28.27 | Jerub | the plots look entirely wrong though... |
| 01:29.04 | Jerub | Adys: man, wolframalpha is awesome. |
| 01:29.05 | Jerub | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=speed+of+unlaiden+african+swallow |
| 01:29.34 | Jerub | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=speed+of+unlaiden+european+swallow |
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| 01:30.05 | Jerub | i tutor a uni student in maths, and it mostly involves me reading out answers from wolfram alpha ;) |
| 01:30.47 | Adys | also |
| 01:30.53 | Adys | 3:15.1424 |
| 01:31.39 | Iriel | That's more or less spot on the quadratic |
| 01:32.07 | Iriel | (not quite, though) |
| 01:32.32 | Jerub | does the plot look wrong to anyone else? |
| 01:32.39 | Iriel | The axes are.. odd. |
| 01:32.43 | Iriel | So yes |
| 01:32.45 | Adys | the 80th is approximate |
| 01:32.55 | Iriel | but I plotted it in grapher and it looks fine |
| 01:33.16 | Tentacled | I wonder what the heck you're trying to get, Adys. f(1)=14, f(2)=14.56, etc, and f being the question? |
| 01:33.28 | Adys | yes |
| 01:33.31 | Tentacled | aah. |
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| 01:33.57 | Tentacled | more data available? |
| 01:34.20 | Adys | i think above 3 its gonna be approximate |
| 01:34.24 | Thunder_Child | hah, look at the grey text in the results section. http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=how+much+wood+could+a+woodchuck+chuck+if+a+woodchuck+could+chuck+wood |
| 01:37.15 | Cloudwolf | so random |
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| 01:40.09 | Adys | http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=cubic+fit+{{1,+14},+{2,+14.46},+{3,+15.1424}} returns around 740 at 80 |
| 01:40.19 | Adys | instead of 620 |
| 01:48.00 | Corrodias | maybe just try fit instead of cubic fit |
| 01:48.09 | Corrodias | it gives you linear, logarithmic, etc |
| 01:48.46 | Corrodias | but not cubic i guess |
| 01:48.50 | Iriel | To be honest, it's more likely to be a function of XP-to-level-X than just level X |
| 01:48.54 | Iriel | or something along those lines |
| 01:49.25 | Adys | it's definitely just level x |
| 01:50.39 | Iriel | Awfuly certain for someone who can only give us 3 data points |
| 01:50.39 | Adys | c*(0.000729189*level**3+0.0312491*level**2+0.42129*level+13.5319) |
| 01:51.01 | Adys | I'm certain because its quest honor |
| 01:52.38 | Iriel | And you're 100% sure it's a simple formula, not a table? |
| 01:53.07 | Adys | if its a table, its a table generated by a formula |
| 01:53.23 | Adys | and since the table isnt in any file, it'd be hardcoded |
| 01:53.26 | Adys | and that... isnt good |
| 01:53.34 | Adys | so im tending towards a formula |
| 02:03.29 | Adys | Jerub: how do you invite people in google wave? |
| 02:03.43 | Thunder_Child | Adys, wait for the tide to come in |
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| 02:12.03 | Thunder_Child | sends Shirik a postcard |
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| 02:14.09 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/251993/october-07-2009/human-sacrifice-channel |
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| 02:34.17 | amro | Jerub: got the invite btw, thanks |
| 02:40.22 | Jerub | wow, awesome. |
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| 03:15.40 | Jerub | now i want an armory wavebot |
| 03:15.57 | tem | Someone want to explain this logic to me? |
| 03:16.12 | tem | Total materials cost of Brilliant Spellthread: 72g |
| 03:16.29 | tem | Lowest price of Brilliant spellthread on the AH: 232g |
| 03:16.31 | tem | ... |
| 03:16.37 | Antiarc | Welcome to craftables! |
| 03:16.48 | Antiarc | I make bank selling enchants that take 60g in mats for 260g apiece |
| 03:16.56 | Jerub | also: no one will have any google wave invites for a few days, while they provision more infrasturcture, I'll mention when i get more. |
| 03:17.09 | Cloudwolf | what is google wave? |
| 03:17.52 | Thunder_Child | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=google+wave |
| 03:18.38 | Cloudwolf | slow on the draw thunder child |
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| 03:18.51 | Cloudwolf | i decided to gogle it after ia sked lol |
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| 03:23.09 | Fisker | BLIZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARD |
| 03:23.29 | NightHawkTheSane | KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN |
| 03:23.39 | Fisker | no |
| 03:23.42 | Fisker | this is srs! |
| 03:23.49 | DWSR | Lies. |
| 03:23.58 | Fisker | they took the good set bonus and put as the 4-piece bonus |
| 03:24.04 | NightHawkTheSane | khan is srs bsns |
| 03:24.07 | Fisker | and gave us the faceroll harder one as 2-set |
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| 03:24.17 | Fisker | Jerub |
| 03:26.24 | Jerub | Fisker: hm? |
| 03:26.29 | Jerub | Fisker: which set bonus? |
| 03:26.53 | Fisker | naw Jerub not that |
| 03:27.40 | Fisker | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/d915979f35b35ab57ecdc88f71543cff.jpg |
| 03:28.19 | Jerub | stephen.thorne@googlewave.com |
| 03:28.34 | Fisker | how do you has @googlewave.com ? |
| 03:28.37 | Fisker | that's hax man :/ |
| 03:28.42 | Jerub | you has it toos. |
| 03:28.47 | Fisker | zomg |
| 03:28.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub > Fisker |
| 03:29.45 | Fisker | Where would ones invites be if you were to have such? :O |
| 03:30.18 | bleeter | kd3: fucking google wave advanced shit... '"Google Gears" could not be installed because it is not compatible with your Firefox build type (Linux_x86_64-gcc3). Please contact the author of this item about the problem.' |
| 03:30.46 | bleeter | Jerub: thx for the wave stuff btw :) |
| 03:30.53 | bleeter | arrived about 30 mins ago hehe |
| 03:32.04 | Jerub | yeah, gears requires 32bit, it's so ghetto |
| 03:32.14 | Jerub | (use chrome: it's the only browser that works reliably) |
| 03:32.25 | Antiarc | Chrome is broken as hell for me on Win7 64-bit |
| 03:32.27 | DWSR | Jerub: That's a lie. |
| 03:32.32 | DWSR | I have gears on 64bit. |
| 03:32.42 | Fisker | how do you gets all teh cool stuff? |
| 03:32.48 | Fisker | or is it teh broekn? |
| 03:32.49 | Fisker | :( |
| 03:32.54 | Fisker | baaaaaaaaaaw |
| 03:33.31 | Jerub | Fisker: if you want to be less lonely, you have to add me as a contact :D |
| 03:34.28 | Fisker | i have |
| 03:34.33 | Fisker | i even wrote to you |
| 03:35.40 | Fisker | i think it's server shit |
| 03:35.52 | Fisker | Like before i could only see the messages |
| 03:35.58 | Fisker | and no messages inside the wave |
| 03:36.01 | Fisker | not even my own |
| 03:36.03 | bleeter | DWSR: you running a patch from http://code.google.com/p/gears/issues/detail?id=335 |
| 03:36.06 | bleeter | ? |
| 03:36.10 | DWSR | No..? |
| 03:36.13 | DWSR | I'm running Chrome. |
| 03:38.50 | bleeter | DWSR: from source, then? |
| 03:38.57 | DWSR | no? |
| 03:39.01 | DWSR | It Just Works (tm) |
| 03:39.09 | bleeter | dude |
| 03:39.17 | bleeter | Chrome's not available for the platform in question |
| 03:39.23 | bleeter | so.. it'd hardly 'Just Work' |
| 03:39.34 | DWSR | Oh, haha, I'm running a 32bit copy. |
| 03:39.35 | DWSR | Lookie there. |
| 03:39.38 | Adys | [06:30:15] <bleeter> kd3: fucking google wave advanced shit... '"Google Gears" could not be installed because it is not compatible with your Firefox build type (Linux_x86_64-gcc3). Please contact the author of this item about the problem.' |
| 03:39.47 | Adys | that would be a "fuck firefox deep in the hole" |
| 03:39.48 | DWSR | I'm not running Linux x64. |
| 03:39.49 | Adys | install chrome |
| 03:39.55 | DWSR | I'm running Win7. |
| 03:40.03 | Adys | Im talking to bleeter |
| 03:40.26 | bleeter | Adys: you got chrome release? |
| 03:40.28 | bleeter | http://www.google.com/chrome/intl/en/linux.html |
| 03:40.34 | bleeter | Google Chrome for Linux is in development* and a team of engineers is working hard to bring it to you as soon as possible. |
| 03:40.43 | Adys | User AgentMozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US) AppleWebKit/532.2 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/4.0.220.1 Safari/532.2 |
| 03:40.49 | Fisker | what's wavealpha? |
| 03:40.49 | Adys | in what world do you live |
| 03:40.54 | ajmitch | bleeter: install daily builds then |
| 03:41.31 | bleeter | ajmitch: wrong platform |
| 03:41.32 | Jerub | i am using a chromium daily build. |
| 03:41.40 | bleeter | distro |
| 03:41.40 | Jerub | dammit, the wave alpha bot isn't working properly. |
| 03:42.00 | Fisker | :3 |
| 03:42.19 | bleeter | << not on 32- or 64-bit Ubuntu 8.04 or later, or 32-bit Debian 5 |
| 03:42.20 | bleeter | ... |
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| 03:42.40 | Adys | what |
| 03:42.40 | ajmitch | bleeter: build it daily then? :) |
| 03:42.43 | Adys | Im on 64bit |
| 03:42.53 | bleeter | http://dev.chromium.org/getting-involved/dev-channel |
| 03:43.01 | Jerub | i'm on fedora11. |
| 03:43.03 | Adys | Im on ubuntu64 |
| 03:43.15 | Fisker | Oh well gotta get ready |
| 03:43.21 | Fisker | can't draw genitals all day |
| 03:43.29 | bleeter | Jerub: where from? I've looked around... /shrug |
| 03:43.47 | bleeter | Jerub: I meant, where's the daily you're getting? |
| 03:44.01 | Jerub | grabs url. |
| 03:44.44 | bleeter | Adys: ubuntu 8.04 64bit or later... works |
| 03:44.56 | Jerub | http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/continuous/linux/LATEST/ |
| 03:45.35 | Jerub | requires a hack to work on fedora systems. |
| 03:46.41 | bleeter | so either hack chromium, or hack gears |
| 03:46.41 | bleeter | neither option seems particularly.. optimal :P |
| 03:46.41 | Jerub | oh, it's just a library hack. |
| 03:47.04 | bleeter | when I was glancing at the gears stuff, also looked like a library hack |
| 03:47.25 | bleeter | WAS just a glance, mind you |
| 03:47.33 | ajmitch | Jerub: a symlink hack for the SONAME? |
| 03:48.47 | bleeter | course, if I'd read the gears issue properly, I would've found a URL for a 64bit extension anyways |
| 03:48.57 | Jerub | ajmitch: yeah, symlinking in the loadable libraries that have different names, then using LD_LIBRARY_PATH=.:/lib:/usr/lib/ |
| 03:49.33 | Thunder_Child | ~x sp en caramelo |
| 03:49.47 | Thunder_Child | rolles his eyes |
| 03:57.25 | Jerub | a 2! |
| 03:57.25 | DWSR | is currently listening to Justice - Stress |
| 03:57.25 | DWSR | Sweet. |
| 03:57.25 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: eyes don't make good dice. |
| 03:57.26 | DWSR | Go LiveTwitter. |
| 03:57.26 | Thunder_Child | Jerub, snake eyes |
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| 03:57.26 | Shirik | tem: Demand |
| 03:57.26 | Shirik | Can everyone make a brilliant spellthread? |
| 03:57.26 | Shirik | no |
| 03:57.26 | tem | it's still bizarre as hell |
| 03:57.26 | Shirik | Does everyone need a brilliant spellthread (or other equivalent)? Basically, yes |
| 03:57.27 | DWSR | Brilliant Spellthread. |
| 03:57.27 | DWSR | Best leg enchant evar. |
| 03:57.27 | DWSR | And I get it for like 1 Eternium Thread. |
| 03:57.27 | Thunder_Child | only because you cheat |
| 03:57.27 | DWSR | http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org/Scripture/Proof_Google_Is_God.html <-- So much win. |
| 03:57.27 | Thunder_Child | but i do the same |
| 03:58.07 | Thunder_Child | Flaw #1 google is not sentient.....yet. |
| 03:59.47 | Adys | Thunder_Child: you're suddenly topping google results for "complete jerk" I dont know why |
| 04:00.53 | Thunder_Child | Adys, suddenly? |
| 04:01.04 | Adys | since the last 140 seconds |
| 04:01.21 | Thunder_Child | s/second/months/ |
| 04:04.36 | NightHawkTheSane | he is? shit, i'm off my game |
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| 04:07.24 | Fisker | Shirik |
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| 04:19.43 | Fisker | so Jerub |
| 04:19.49 | Fisker | how do i find those bots |
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| 04:21.16 | Jerub | Fisker: google! |
| 04:21.26 | Jerub | you just add them as contacts. |
| 04:21.29 | Jerub | and drag them into waves. |
| 04:22.22 | Fisker | yeah but where do i find their addresses etc? |
| 04:24.34 | Jerub | google. |
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| 04:26.57 | Fisker | so where are invites |
| 04:27.06 | Fisker | or where will they be if i don't have any yet? |
| 04:27.30 | Adys | in a wave called Invite others to Google Wave |
| 04:27.35 | Adys | you dont have it until a few days |
| 04:27.43 | Fisker | ok |
| 04:28.41 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/q14488/ |
| 04:28.44 | Adys | daily sfk |
| 04:28.47 | Adys | tee hee. |
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| 04:30.01 | Jerub | where's SFK again? is that the one on the coast near undercity? |
| 04:30.05 | DWSR | yes |
| 04:30.13 | Jerub | righto. |
| 04:30.24 | Jerub | I think I may've pugged that when it was actually level appropriate. |
| 04:30.41 | Adys | its getting revamped to lvl 85 heroic in cataclysm |
| 04:30.49 | Adys | well |
| 04:30.54 | Adys | its getting a heroic mode i mean |
| 04:35.49 | Iriel | I love SFK |
| 04:35.51 | Iriel | it's fun |
| 04:40.01 | ScytheBlade1 | ow @ xkcd |
| 04:40.04 | ScytheBlade1 | serious ow |
| 04:40.18 | Fisker | goodbye cruel ScytheBlade1 |
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| 04:41.00 | ScytheBlade1 | someone give me a google wave invite |
| 04:41.02 | Amarande | sooo ... hunters. do you get more benefit from socketing/enchanting for agi or AP? |
| 04:41.08 | ScytheBlade1 | @ aboveaverageurl.com |
| 04:42.37 | Adys | people still got google wave invites left?Oo |
| 04:42.43 | Amarande | also ... druids. "Feral Attack Power" was a terrible name to come up with for use in a game where the majority of players are teenagers. It's even more fail than "Totally Triumphant" T9 gear. :D |
| 04:43.16 | Amarande | s/teenagers/teenagers and adults whose brains never cleaned out from the teenager stage/ |
| 04:43.23 | Iriel | Amarande: I dont get it? |
| 04:43.44 | Amarande | Iriel: /2 gets fun when people try to talk about FAP. |
| 04:44.19 | Amarande | although, I guess /2 tends to be a place where people are more inclined to get goofy than otherwise |
| 04:44.26 | Amarande | after all, if you're in /2, that means you're in a city, this means |
| 04:44.35 | Amarande | a) you're waiting for your hearthstone to cooldown so you can go back to northrend where the real action is |
| 04:44.50 | Amarande | b) you're in Dalaran and it's taking you a half hour to get anywhere due to Dalalag so you NEED some entertainment NAO |
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| 04:45.11 | Amarande | c) you've been sitting around waiting for your H-TOC group to get a tank and/or healer for so long that you're desperate for entertainment. :) |
| 04:45.47 | Amarande | d) you're mass crafting items to grind your tradeskill and are bored out of your skull (especially if it is engineering and you have to craft all the component doodads and gizmos as well), and need entertainment nao. |
| 04:45.52 | Amarande | I think these four cases sum up why /2 is the way it is. :) |
| 04:45.53 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: >< yeah, xkcd just made me very depressed |
| 04:46.54 | Amarande | Night: am I accurate in describing the majority of denizens of /2, btw? |
| 04:48.00 | Iriel | I generally leave /2 within 5 minutes of arriving at a city |
| 04:48.16 | Amarande | I tend to stay in /2 |
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| 04:48.21 | Amarande | particularly if I have not done my VOA for the week yet |
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| 04:48.24 | NightHawkTheSane | i stick it in its own tab, and forget about it |
| 04:48.28 | Amarande | because VOA groups on this server seem to form mainly in /2 |
| 04:48.38 | Amarande | speaking of which, time to see if I can actually go to VOA tonight. |
| 04:48.45 | Jerub | I use /2 lots |
| 04:49.23 | Jerub | i sell crap on it, buy good deals (got 3 stacks of eternal fire for 1/4 normal price the other day, selling them slowly on the AH), and join ony and voa groups on it |
| 04:50.54 | Amarande | hmm |
| 04:51.04 | Amarande | looks like I'll find out if I'm going to voa tonight in about ... maybe a half hour or so. |
| 04:51.06 | Iriel | I join /2 if I need something 8-) |
| 04:51.12 | Amarande | I can't go right now *again* though. :S |
| 04:51.27 | NightHawkTheSane | I generally avoid needing things from people i dont know. :P |
| 04:51.39 | Amarande | Night: yeah, that's kinda irritating, since they tend not to have the thing you need :) |
| 04:51.53 | Amarande | which is why I need to get these characters up to at least 65 so they'll have a reasonably complete set of crafting recipes |
| 04:52.12 | NightHawkTheSane | not really, i just make a point to know people who can make whatever i need. then its no problem |
| 04:52.31 | Amarande | Night: or else, it will be titansteel or epic gems and everyone you know will have those on CD :) |
| 04:52.50 | Jerub | now that i can do voa any ony in both dps and heal spec, the number of EoT i get a week has increased :) |
| 04:52.55 | Jerub | I've nearly got my first T9 |
| 04:53.11 | Amarande | which reminds me, my blacksmith is going to get irritating as all hell once I get to the point of making epic stuff. |
| 04:53.23 | Amarande | one thing I <3 immensely about JC is that their titanium stuff actually uses *titanium* |
| 04:53.31 | Jerub | it was a real shit rushing to 450 LW so i could make the drums. |
| 04:53.38 | Amarande | all but like ... *ONE* BS recipe that uses titanium requires that you get the cooldown titansteel bars first. |
| 04:53.45 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, i dont even have any t9, or triumph badges at all yet. wee |
| 04:53.52 | Amarande | Jerub: I thought they got rid of drums? |
| 04:53.58 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: what the hell is wrong with you? |
| 04:54.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: haven't seriously played since just before 3.2 ;) |
| 04:54.22 | Jerub | Amarande: man, where have you been. Drums of the Wild and Drums of the Forgotten Kings |
| 04:54.34 | Jerub | Amarande: it's a mini mark of wild, and an 8% kings. |
| 04:54.38 | Jerub | both 30 minute duration |
| 04:54.42 | Amarande | Night: wow, I have better gear in some of my slots than you then :) |
| 04:54.50 | Jerub | and usable by any level 80 |
| 04:54.53 | Jerub | (as opposed to LW only) |
| 04:54.57 | NightHawkTheSane | im wanting to get back to raiding, but im kinda debating if i want to find a guild somewhere, or put up with a pvp server and play with my friends. |
| 04:55.00 | Amarande | Jerub: ah. never managed to level a LW high enough to really get into those things |
| 04:55.14 | Amarande | my current LW is a level 23 druid |
| 04:55.15 | Jerub | 3.2.2 introduced them |
| 04:55.23 | Jerub | Amarande: your level 80 should have some. |
| 04:55.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: *shrug* gear is pretty meaningless. mine's good, and i'm better. :P |
| 04:55.37 | Jerub | (seriously, every single level 80 should have both drumkits, except droods, who need just 1) |
| 04:55.40 | Amarande | Night: both have their good and bad points. |
| 04:55.57 | Amarande | if you play with your friends, you'll have the company of your friends, but experience frustration at times when grouping and possibly end up bitter for stretches like I was. :) |
| 04:55.59 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: we raid 19:00-23:00 at UTC+1000 |
| 04:56.14 | Jerub | i think we even have an american! |
| 04:56.16 | Amarande | if you get a good guild, you'll have good grouping and probably make more good friends, but probably experience burnout when the guild expects you to play more seriously than you might want to. :) |
| 04:56.18 | NightHawkTheSane | lol |
| 04:56.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: aussie? |
| 04:56.35 | Jerub | cross-realm-pugs should be interesting |
| 04:56.36 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: yeah. |
| 04:56.39 | Amarande | I know once I got my T8 robe I didn't play for days due to, mainly, burnout from running WAY too many heroics in a row |
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| 04:57.36 | Adys | days? jesus, must have been one hell of a burnout |
| 04:57.40 | Jerub | also, why the hell is ignis so hard to down in 10man? :( |
| 04:57.45 | Amarande | btw, are all realms going to be included in the crossrealm LFG together, or is it more likely going to be separated into groups (probably same as the battlegroups)? |
| 04:57.57 | Adys | battlegroups |
| 04:57.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: hard? o_0 |
| 04:58.02 | Jerub | battlegroups. |
| 04:58.07 | Amarande | Jerub: simple, when someone gets dragged into the crotch pot, you feel the loss that much more than if you had 24 people left |
| 04:58.17 | NightHawkTheSane | i always thought ignis was depressingly easy in 10 man |
| 04:58.33 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: we wiped on ignis maybe 6 times before downing the dragon, xt, the giant and the crazy cat lady. |
| 04:58.35 | Amarande | especially if that someone is from an important group like your tanks or healers, which you don't tend to be abuzz with in 10's like you are in 25's |
| 04:58.43 | Amarande | (he does still use the crotch pot in 10's, right?) |
| 04:58.49 | NightHawkTheSane | yes he does |
| 04:58.49 | Jerub | yeah, he still uses the pot. |
| 04:59.09 | Amarande | yeah, I can expect that to contribute to the difficulty. |
| 04:59.15 | Jerub | we wiped on crazy cat lady only once ,and that was our first try. |
| 04:59.18 | NightHawkTheSane | :\ i'm sorry. i've never had difficulty on that |
| 04:59.25 | Amarande | particularly if an important member like a healer gets dragged in. |
| 04:59.31 | Amarande | I mean, how many healers do you usually field for 10's? |
| 04:59.37 | NightHawkTheSane | 2 if you're good ;) |
| 04:59.39 | Jerub | we were using 3. |
| 04:59.48 | Amarande | Night: yeah, that might make ignis a little harder then if one gets yanked in |
| 04:59.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Nah |
| 05:00.12 | NightHawkTheSane | I've healed it with 2 healers total, and its not that hard |
| 05:00.38 | Jerub | what kind of dps does it need? we have a variety from 2k to 4.5k... |
| 05:00.40 | Amarande | crazy cat lady ... you mean auriaya? |
| 05:00.48 | NightHawkTheSane | if you have tanks who have the positioning down, and dps who doesn't stand in fire. its not hard to heal through most damage. |
| 05:00.50 | Jerub | Amarande: yeah, her. |
| 05:00.57 | Amarande | Jerub: by need, do you mean to succeed at all, or to succeed without tearing your hair out? |
| 05:01.08 | Amarande | remember, blizzard designs the battles to be doable with a lot less dps than most sane groups will take |
| 05:01.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: 2k is kinda low... but i didn't pay a lot attention to dps as a healer :\ |
| 05:01.34 | Jerub | maybe the tanks need to try differentkiting strategies... |
| 05:01.49 | Jerub | 2k is very low, and i'm going to have to drag guild memebers into pugs i think. |
| 05:01.51 | NightHawkTheSane | how is your tank moving ignis? |
| 05:02.05 | Amarande | btw: did your wipe on auriaya consist of the tank getting omnomnommed right off the bat by kitties that proceeded to omnomnom the rest of the raid? :) |
| 05:02.33 | Jerub | Amarande: no, it was someone lagging out and dying and then the domino effect. |
| 05:02.35 | Amarande | suspects that, on the first try, that might happen and come to a shock to many raids. |
| 05:02.50 | Jerub | we did the pull correctly. |
| 05:02.52 | Amarande | "okay, let's pull this boss. OMGWTFBBQ." |
| 05:02.54 | NightHawkTheSane | only raids that didn't prepare |
| 05:03.07 | Amarande | yeah, these days, you're right. :) |
| 05:03.13 | Amarande | I wonder what happened to the world first folks though heh |
| 05:03.21 | NightHawkTheSane | and i owuldn't be caught linkdead in a raid like that |
| 05:03.24 | Amarande | they probably *did* have nice fun experiences of "okay, let's pull this boss. OMGWTFBBQ." |
| 05:03.47 | Jerub | Amarande: I want to know what happened to the first raid to find out what killing XT's heart did. |
| 05:04.03 | Amarande | actually, do even top, bleeding edge progression raid guilds play without info? |
| 05:04.06 | Jerub | om nom nom damage R us aren't we cool WTFBBQ |
| 05:04.16 | Amarande | or do they have info as well because presumably they take the guild to the PTR before it went live at all? |
| 05:04.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: yes and no. |
| 05:04.29 | NightHawkTheSane | the best guilds go on the ptr |
| 05:04.31 | NightHawkTheSane | where nothing matters |
| 05:04.40 | NightHawkTheSane | so they pretty much know what to expect when it hits live |
| 05:05.15 | NightHawkTheSane | even if they didn't. there's still videos from the ptr, and strategies. |
| 05:05.30 | NightHawkTheSane | no one (who doesn't suck) attempts anything on live without knowing what they're doing |
| 05:05.49 | Adys | I do |
| 05:05.51 | Adys | its more fun |
| 05:05.57 | Amarande | Adys: you sound like my brother. :D |
| 05:06.07 | NeoTron | so we did Auriaya in 10 man |
| 05:06.09 | Amarande | my brother insists that when gaming, reading up on boss battles beforehand in hint files constitutes cheating |
| 05:06.10 | Adys | obviously Im playing a different game now |
| 05:06.18 | Adys | it doesnt |
| 05:06.21 | NeoTron | and went this wasn't so bad. our first 25 man experience was a wtfhappend |
| 05:06.21 | Adys | its just boring |
| 05:06.28 | Amarande | Adys: you want to know what's more retarded about his thoughts though? :) |
| 05:06.38 | Amarande | he thinks HAVING SOMEONE READ YOU THE BOSS STRATEGY OUT OF THE SAME HINT FILE is okay. :) |
| 05:06.59 | Amarande | in his mind, it's okay to have someone read you the hints, but consulting one yourself is cheating. LOL |
| 05:07.18 | Adys | whatever, point is |
| 05:07.29 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: when i first did auriaya in 25.. the pull was tricky, but not too bad. what sucked was running into her enrage timer. more than once. >< |
| 05:07.30 | Adys | it used to be tons of fun to storm into a new instance, full of bugs |
| 05:07.41 | Amarande | otoh, he might not make a bad raider ... he doesn't even play wow and he still knows things many experienced wow players don't, like that you don't stand in fire :) |
| 05:07.42 | Adys | saying "I have no idea what this boss does, lets give him a try!" |
| 05:08.09 | Adys | that was our first vael raid back when there wasnt anything you could find on the net that could constitute a strategy or whatever |
| 05:08.12 | Adys | the first bwl days |
| 05:08.14 | Amarande | Adys: yeah, that does have a certain appeal to it. :) |
| 05:08.28 | Amarande | these days, everything has to be pre-strategized and choreographed otoh or "omg you suck" |
| 05:08.43 | Amarande | well, maybe not quite everything |
| 05:08.49 | Adys | you know when you're new to a mmo and all the very-high-level content feels extremely far |
| 05:09.12 | NeoTron | Adys: I don't think I EVER raided when the guild didn't at least have basic knowledge |
| 05:09.12 | Amarande | I've gone into raid battles without previous 100% knowledge of some bosses and came out fine just reacting to things as they come |
| 05:09.12 | Adys | and it has this ... kind of flavor to it, the whole unknown |
| 05:09.17 | Amarande | I could probably handle most bosses like that, as long as they don't involve particularly stupid gimmicks |
| 05:09.17 | NeoTron | I mean it was harder to get then, and you didn't have written strats and esp not videos |
| 05:09.44 | NeoTron | but I was always behind enough for strats to be available to some degree |
| 05:09.52 | Amarande | of course, I'm also a DPS with basically no interrupt capability, so there's not really that much I need to know for most bosses |
| 05:09.59 | NeoTron | although I strictly recall when raiding opened up and became what it is today |
| 05:10.15 | NeoTron | IT was when all the top builds pooled their knowledge to prove that C'thun couldn't mathematically possibly be killed |
| 05:10.17 | Amarande | make sure I'm geared, don't stand in the fire, and pewpew the target I'm supposed to, and that's about it for most bosses. :) |
| 05:10.19 | Adys | I really miss this little sensation of going in this huge place with lava everywhere and shit |
| 05:10.22 | Adys | and so many players |
| 05:10.31 | NeoTron | MC got old |
| 05:10.33 | NeoTron | so old :p |
| 05:10.36 | Amarande | actually, that's one reason why DPS is so popular, hence why there's always a tank and healer shortage |
| 05:10.44 | Adys | im not talking about mc specifically |
| 05:11.00 | Adys | im talking about the feeling of new & unknown attached to it |
| 05:11.00 | NeoTron | well that's the only place with lava! |
| 05:11.00 | Amarande | DPS is simple, laid-back, and relaxing. As long as you didn't stand in the fire or forget to change targets when you're supposed to, you're fine. |
| 05:11.08 | NeoTron | Ulduar had that I think |
| 05:11.16 | Amarande | And when you wipe, unless you did substandard DPS, you don't get your ass chewed out either. |
| 05:11.26 | NeoTron | Amarande: depends man, depends |
| 05:11.40 | NightHawkTheSane | you know |
| 05:11.46 | NeoTron | I find melee dps to be stressful on fights that involve pew pew melee crap |
| 05:11.52 | NeoTron | Kel'thuzad, Mimiron etc |
| 05:12.05 | Amarande | Tanking and healing is stressful, much more sensitive to lag, healing these days practically means you have to know in advance when the hits are going to land on harder bosses, and you're the one who gets your ass chewed out by the rest of the raid "omg why did you let us die" when you wipe. |
| 05:12.10 | NightHawkTheSane | its funny, probably about half the wipes my old guild had in ulduar were typically due to sub-par dps |
| 05:12.31 | NightHawkTheSane | healers and tanks were almost always on top of their game. our dps blew. |
| 05:12.36 | Amarande | Example: When the DPS stands in the fire, half the time it's the healer that gets chewed out for "not healing them" |
| 05:12.50 | NeoTron | Amarande: only in bad guilds I'd say |
| 05:12.58 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 05:13.14 | Amarande | When the DPS pulls aggro off the tank ... what happens? The tank has to hear a mile long wall of tl;dr rant text from the DPS about it. |
| 05:13.45 | NightHawkTheSane | hell, i dont even remember seeing healers get yelled at for something that wasn't blatantly, and obviously, their fault. |
| 05:13.46 | Amarande | Myself, I'm willing to admit it. "Fuck, I hit soulshatter too late." But other DPS *will* chew out tanks. |
| 05:14.22 | Amarande | And yeah, I'm inclined at times in longer fights to try to cut it too close on soulshatter |
| 05:14.40 | NeoTron | Amarande: we chewed out dps if they pulled from the tank typically so again same statement :P |
| 05:15.20 | Amarande | mainly because I will probably only have one opportunity to use it the entire battle due to the CD, and know there's going to be threat issues for the rest of the battle after that |
| 05:15.31 | Adys | dont you guys find it boring to go in an instance and absolutely whatever boss, hardmode or anything you attempt is down within 48 hours of its own first try? |
| 05:15.42 | Adys | isnt there ANYONE who misses wiping on a boss for an entire month? |
| 05:15.45 | Amarande | which will probably make me need to make my DPS suffer in order to avoid, so yeah I've been known to try to cut it close |
| 05:16.03 | NeoTron | I don't really like hard modes == normal mode but harder |
| 05:16.08 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: i would if i did that |
| 05:16.16 | NeoTron | would prefer if there was a happy medium |
| 05:16.31 | NightHawkTheSane | even knowing what we were going into, we still wiped sometimes, and often a LOT on hard mode |
| 05:16.35 | NeoTron | and no I don't miss 1 month wipes (SWP level) |
| 05:16.38 | Adys | isnt there someone in here who misses not requiring an instance to have 4 different lockouts to last more than a couple of weeks? |
| 05:16.43 | NeoTron | but clearing a new 15 boss instance in one week I could do without |
| 05:17.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: who would miss that? who would even be affected by that? |
| 05:17.15 | NightHawkTheSane | the 30 people who cleared it first? so what? fuck em |
| 05:17.15 | NeoTron | I do miss one thing pretty strongly - attunements |
| 05:17.18 | Amarande | Adys: from what I've seen of recent WoW design |
| 05:17.21 | Jerub | cat lady last night was bad because i was the only raid member that had done the fight before. |
| 05:17.26 | Amarande | this basically means that they're not making the hardmodes challenging enough. |
| 05:17.27 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: i DEFINITELY do not miss attunements |
| 05:17.34 | NeoTron | not TK level attunements |
| 05:17.42 | Jerub | and i had done it as a healer, which is, a) stack on tank b) don't stand in the bad stuff. |
| 05:17.47 | Adys | tbh |
| 05:17.48 | Amarande | Hopefully heroic ICC 25 will be the most beastly raid ever designed. |
| 05:18.01 | Adys | they should have made attunements account-wide with heirlooms or whatever |
| 05:18.08 | Adys | and keep them ingame |
| 05:18.08 | NeoTron | but I found it disappointing that in wotlk no one ever considered non-heroic dungeons because heroics were so trivial and needed no work |
| 05:18.14 | Amarande | But at the same time, I'd like to see regular ICC 10 be easy, so there will be more folks actually able to say "I actually reached Arthas" |
| 05:18.23 | NeoTron | I think somewhat easier attunements than BC would be good but nothing is kind of blah |
| 05:18.26 | Jerub | the adds were the bit we died on twice before i re-read the notes: we didn't kill the orbs, and we didn't kill them simultaneously. |
| 05:18.51 | Amarande | On the one hand, the fact that so few people hit the final BC and classic raids is a testament to the fact that they were a pretty damn good challenge |
| 05:18.51 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: i'll grant that (heroics), but its a really awkward balance they're trying to achieve.. : |
| 05:18.53 | NeoTron | I also think once you kill a boss that would attune you to the next instance, you'd be able to boost people to that level |
| 05:18.54 | NightHawkTheSane | :\ |
| 05:18.59 | Adys | the game has been so normalized |
| 05:19.18 | NeoTron | See finally stepping into Hyjal (and BT) and killing our first boss THAT was epic |
| 05:19.24 | Amarande | On the other hand, it meant that a terribly small sliver of the WoW population got to see the game's most interesting endgame content |
| 05:19.27 | NeoTron | hyjal wasn't even hard - we did the first boss with 20 people |
| 05:19.32 | Adys | its at this state where everything is so normalized, when something isn't its retardedly broken |
| 05:19.38 | Adys | but everything is and its so boring |
| 05:19.49 | Adys | its details |
| 05:19.56 | Amarande | Adys: I don't think you can make an MMO successfully please both the normal player and the hardcore |
| 05:20.05 | Adys | thats not what im talking about |
| 05:20.05 | Amarande | It's probably beyond the abilities of game design |
| 05:20.08 | Adys | thats not what im talking about |
| 05:20.22 | Adys | shitty stuff like .. outdoor chests |
| 05:20.39 | NightHawkTheSane | who cares about outdoor chests? |
| 05:20.47 | Adys | i said its details like that |
| 05:20.49 | Iriel | me |
| 05:20.53 | Iriel | I miss them |
| 05:21.00 | Amarande | Or we could make ICC itself fairly easy, up until Arthas |
| 05:21.04 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: well to be honest, when leveling in wow it was always exciting to find an outdoors chest |
| 05:21.07 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont think i've ever gotten anything worthwhile out of a chest... |
| 05:21.13 | Jerub | yeah, what the hell is up with that? I thought chests were awesome at level 20 :( |
| 05:21.13 | Adys | so? |
| 05:21.16 | Adys | its not about the chest |
| 05:21.19 | Adys | its about finding it |
| 05:21.22 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: and then immediately disappointing when it was filled with a pittance of silver, and food :P |
| 05:21.23 | Iriel | I got Mug O Hurt (on a char that couldn't use it, but still) |
| 05:21.25 | Amarande | And then have Arthas be some super UBER powerful boss like Absolute Virtue from FFXI |
| 05:21.27 | Iriel | That was COOL |
| 05:21.32 | Amarande | that way, many will enter, few will win |
| 05:21.46 | Amarande | (and people will bitch every week that ICC is the raid weekly quest. LOL) |
| 05:21.59 | Adys | the game evolved into a content factory |
| 05:22.01 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: I've found blues in them |
| 05:22.03 | Jerub | will raid quests be dailies or weeklys? |
| 05:22.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: I'll gladly grant the world could use more.. flavor? kitch? *shrug* i see what you mean, you probably chose a poor exmaple though :P |
| 05:22.20 | NeoTron | Jerub: weekly |
| 05:22.29 | Jerub | yikes. |
| 05:22.30 | Adys | really |
| 05:22.32 | Adys | look at pre bc |
| 05:22.35 | Jerub | ony a weekly? os a weekly? |
| 05:22.51 | Amarande | Jerub: OS is easysauce |
| 05:22.57 | Amarande | remember, according to the screenie we've been shown at least |
| 05:22.58 | Adys | pre bc was 12 patches |
| 05:23.09 | Amarande | raid weeklies will be doable in any player count and any mode |
| 05:23.14 | Adys | 12 major patches, a bunch of raid instances of all sizes and what now |
| 05:23.29 | Amarande | so even scrubs will be able to get their frost badges, they'll just do it on normal 10 while hardcore folks will get their weeklies on heroic 25 |
| 05:24.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: er, i think its kind of unfair to compare classic wow's patch cycles to their expansion patch cycle |
| 05:24.16 | Adys | exactly |
| 05:24.28 | Adys | I miss the old patch cycles |
| 05:24.31 | NightHawkTheSane | you can't just say "12 patches > 4 patches, prebc was better so there" |
| 05:24.35 | Adys | no |
| 05:24.45 | Adys | Im not saying 12 patches > 4 patches |
| 05:24.56 | Amarande | Adys: and how much of the classic patched content got seen by any but hardcore raiders? |
| 05:24.58 | NightHawkTheSane | you kind of are. |
| 05:25.13 | Adys | Im saying Im bored of having "One raid instance every 6 months and a couple of features in that too" |
| 05:25.15 | NightHawkTheSane | (you also have a pretty bad case of rose colored glasses :P) |
| 05:25.21 | Amarande | WotLK's design seems more geared towards letting more folks see the content |
| 05:25.37 | Amarande | which it's doing pretty successfully |
| 05:25.41 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: Ive been going over all these files and what not for a couple of months now |
| 05:25.49 | Adys | I know what sucked pre bc and i know what didnt |
| 05:25.53 | Amarande | I've been to at least three different raid instances now, while in BC I only ever got to set foot in Kara and no others |
| 05:26.03 | Amarande | er ... I mean, 'current' raid instances |
| 05:26.08 | Adys | the major problem that keeps coming up is that since bc everything has been so normalized to an extreme |
| 05:26.14 | Amarande | since I've been to places like ZG and AQ40 |
| 05:26.18 | Adys | when you watch a show |
| 05:26.28 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* i dont agree that a lot of the 'great' stuff from pre-bc was all that great. |
| 05:26.33 | Adys | you watch it because its gonna be new, interesting, funny and different the next time |
| 05:26.38 | Adys | but with the same characters |
| 05:27.21 | Adys | wow changed so much its a completely different game now |
| 05:27.24 | Amarande | btw, do you think there should be special rewards for raid leadership? |
| 05:27.28 | Adys | no ffs |
| 05:27.33 | Jerub | Amarande: hell on. |
| 05:27.35 | Jerub | er no. |
| 05:27.44 | Adys | and.. every patch everyone knows whats gonna come up |
| 05:27.55 | NightHawkTheSane | that kind of happens after five years or so |
| 05:27.55 | Adys | we knew for.. a year and half? that 3.3 would be ICC |
| 05:28.17 | Amarande | well |
| 05:28.20 | NightHawkTheSane | er, yeah? |
| 05:28.23 | Amarande | they did give us Ony80, that wasn't announced |
| 05:28.30 | Amarande | at least, not till it hit the PTR, right? |
| 05:28.32 | Adys | neither was toc |
| 05:28.36 | Adys | loltoc. |
| 05:28.53 | Amarande | Adys: however, in this case, I don't think there was any hiding the content |
| 05:28.55 | NightHawkTheSane | i think as soon as wrath was officially announced, everyone knew Icecrown would be the final raid of the cycle |
| 05:28.58 | Amarande | the expansion is called wrath of the lich king |
| 05:29.07 | Jerub | Amarande: my reasoning for saying 'hell no' to rewards for raid leadership is because I know of at least 4 raid 'leaders' who get pug raids going just so they can get geared. |
| 05:29.12 | NightHawkTheSane | it was kind of spoiled by TFT |
| 05:29.15 | Amarande | the lich king lore stuff has been entrenched since at least Warcraft III |
| 05:29.35 | Jerub | (including 1 guy who was packing 2 blues and was trying to advertise for 3.8kdps DPS members for a 10OS+3D |
| 05:29.49 | Amarande | there was no getting around the obviousness of icecrown this time |
| 05:30.01 | Amarande | though it looks like now they've practically repeated the mistake for cata |
| 05:30.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Really, even with BC you would have known illidan would be the (well, almost) final boss. |
| 05:30.12 | Jerub | what mistakes? |
| 05:30.14 | Amarande | by announcing that cata's plot arc has to do with deathwing they've basically just announced ages before the expansion is even out |
| 05:30.21 | Amarande | "hey, guys, grim batol will be the final raid this time" |
| 05:30.29 | Adys | they didnt say that |
| 05:30.45 | Adys | I really like cataclysm so far because there is a lot of changing |
| 05:30.45 | Jerub | I love wotlk, i have heaps of instances i can pug every day, i have a bunch of raids i can pug or do with my guild, and now i'm getting 3 new aewsome heroic instances to try. |
| 05:30.53 | Adys | s/ing/es/ |
| 05:30.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: that, i can agree on |
| 05:31.12 | Adys | and you really dont know wtf is going to happen to this or that or what not |
| 05:31.16 | Jerub | and getting gear doesn't mean a lucky roll in a raid. |
| 05:31.18 | Amarande | PTR folks: |
| 05:31.24 | Adys | now, am i gonna be disappointed... prolly |
| 05:31.24 | Amarande | 1) are the new 5-mans on yet? |
| 05:31.28 | Adys | yes |
| 05:31.35 | Amarande | and 2) how are they comparing to TOC and regular heroics in terms of gear required/rewarded? |
| 05:31.56 | Amarande | Jerub: I've actually thought sometimes they should do away with the RNG altogether for raid loot |
| 05:32.01 | Amarande | except MAYBE for legendaries |
| 05:32.03 | Adys | it looks cool and its boring as shit |
| 05:32.03 | Adys | see |
| 05:32.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: you'll only be disappointed if you have pre-generated expectations. |
| 05:32.11 | Amarande | and just move completely to the badge system for all epics |
| 05:32.22 | Adys | this is the only part of wow that I dearly think REALLY improved and never ceases to improve |
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| 05:32.28 | Adys | the graphics team is amazing |
| 05:32.49 | Adys | and Im not talking about these twats who design gear tiers |
| 05:32.58 | Adys | zone designs, everything |
| 05:33.05 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 05:33.12 | Jerub | I like the trophy for gear idea. |
| 05:33.15 | NightHawkTheSane | zone/instance design was amazing in wrath |
| 05:33.16 | Amarande | Adys: especially since some gear tiers are just ugly heh |
| 05:33.32 | Adys | things look cool |
| 05:33.36 | Amarande | Like I've always said, one thing I really have missed from Guild Wars is the ability to fully customize your character's appearance without making their ability suffer |
| 05:33.41 | Adys | and this is what pisses me off too, nobody stops and looks around |
| 05:33.57 | Adys | i still once in a while lead pugs |
| 05:34.05 | Amarande | for instance, every warlock's ultimate ambition in WoW, pretty much, is to look identical to every other top warlock |
| 05:34.14 | Adys | to entertain people during the raid i just tell them to look around them |
| 05:34.19 | Amarande | you have pretty much two appearance choices at the top ... pvp set or pve set |
| 05:34.35 | Amarande | GW, all the armor was the same functionally, everything was about the appearance |
| 05:34.35 | Adys | its amazing how many people did ulduar... a hundred times |
| 05:34.39 | Amarande | and I don't see why it can't be done in WoW |
| 05:34.57 | Adys | the other day we did freya |
| 05:35.02 | Amarande | all you'd really need is like "super enchants" |
| 05:35.19 | Adys | on ts I asked if anyone actually noticed that the conservatory was an open-air area |
| 05:35.21 | Amarande | for instance, instead of say a t9 cloth warlock helm, you have a scroll that attaches all the properties of a t9 cloth warlock helm to any cloth helm |
| 05:35.22 | Amarande | good idea? |
| 05:35.23 | Thunder_Child | maybe they could, my guess is they dont care |
| 05:35.35 | Thrae | I have a feeling a large variety of dyes will finally be available in Cataclysm, which has, at its core, revamping content old and new. |
| 05:35.36 | Thunder_Child | that was never in the vision of the game |
| 05:35.51 | Adys | Thrae: http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/laundry.jpg |
| 05:35.52 | Adys | :p |
| 05:35.56 | Amarande | Thrae: yeah that was another thing I was disappointed with when I first started wow in particular |
| 05:36.01 | Amarande | I'd see all these dyes for sale |
| 05:36.08 | Amarande | and then find I couldn't dye my gear like I was used to doing with dye from GW |
| 05:36.48 | Adys | anyway I just find it amazing and funny that over now.. 4-5 months of raiding ulduar |
| 05:36.57 | NightHawkTheSane | runes of magic has a neat feature/item that lets you transfer the look of any piece of equipment to any other piece of equipment. |
| 05:37.03 | Adys | out of 24 people who came there nearly weekly |
| 05:37.05 | Thrae | Newer MMOs are all coming out with better versions of dye, so WoW will most likely implement this as it's usually pretty simple. |
| 05:37.13 | Amarande | also can we have some more revealing clothing for our female casters again. they haven't made any of that worth a crap since AQ40. :( |
| 05:37.21 | Adys | nobody actually noticed something like this |
| 05:37.40 | Amarande | although I guess I can always go around ogling with the gnomish perv goggles once my hunter hits 65. lol |
| 05:37.40 | Jerub | you know what would be awesome: if playing a druid didn't mean you had no idea what your gear looks like. |
| 05:37.59 | Amarande | just don't look at any tauren males while wearing those |
| 05:38.03 | Amarande | I love the joke on wowhead about those goggs |
| 05:38.04 | Thunder_Child | Thrae, i doubt it. a while back there was a post, or somesuch that said something to the effect that they wanted people to be able to identify gear on sight, and creating customization would mess with that |
| 05:38.11 | Amarande | "look at a tauren male: you die, your goggles gain 20 honor points" :D |
| 05:38.20 | Adys | no TC |
| 05:38.23 | Adys | thats standard bullshit |
| 05:38.26 | Adys | for "cba" |
| 05:38.42 | Amarande | TC: yeah, what Adys says, it's an excuse |
| 05:38.43 | Adys | in PR talk its called an "excuse" |
| 05:39.05 | Amarande | 1) most people don't even know jack shit off the top of their heads what a particular visual of gear corresponds to, unless it's something really really common |
| 05:39.11 | Thunder_Child | an excuse? if they dont want it in their game, they dont have tio |
| 05:39.13 | Thunder_Child | to* |
| 05:39.13 | Amarande | 2) people who actually CARE about your gear will Inspect you |
| 05:39.25 | Jerub | Amarande: high end weapons i recognise. |
| 05:39.36 | Amarande | I *have* heard that they wanted first-glance visuals for PvP |
| 05:39.36 | Adys | Thunder_Child: so? you still need an excuse if its a widely demanded feature |
| 05:39.36 | Thunder_Child | they could simply say, "we. dont. give. a. shit." |
| 05:39.37 | Amarande | but again |
| 05:39.51 | Amarande | how many people have memorized gear to the point that they can actually tell fast enough to be able to make use of the info? |
| 05:39.52 | Thunder_Child | Adys, hadly, it's not like there is anything else to go to |
| 05:40.01 | Thunder_Child | hardly* |
| 05:40.11 | Amarande | especially in pvp. you take that long to figure out someone's gear, it won't matter anymore, because you will have become an HK LONG AGO. |
| 05:40.16 | Adys | Thunder_Child: you need an excuse, thats it |
| 05:40.32 | Adys | and uh |
| 05:40.35 | Amarande | "hmm, he's wearing a purple cloak with this and that doodad so he must be wear ... RESURRECTION IN 29 SECONDS" |
| 05:40.36 | Adys | its irrelevant now anyway |
| 05:40.40 | Thunder_Child | yes Adys, keep sticking to the same thing |
| 05:40.56 | Adys | you see other players' hps now |
| 05:41.04 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: Generally Blizzard Developers go by what Marketing wants, which has obviously so far largely factored in its competition instead of what the players are begging for. This is because the majority of players really don't care about these types of issues as they don't look at the big picture like Blizzard does. |
| 05:41.17 | Amarande | (speaking of which, am I just unlucky sometimes, or are there alliance battleground groups smart enough to know to kill you at exactly the right moment to make sure you are out of commission for 29 sec instead of 1?) |
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| 05:41.56 | Adys | Amarande: its called selective memory |
| 05:42.02 | Amarande | Adys: probably |
| 05:42.12 | Amarande | I could just swear there's been battlegrounds where after every death the rez was 20 sec + |
| 05:42.20 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: Since its introduction, almost all new features are actually revamps of popular features of other MMORPGs within its competition. That's how WoW survives and becomes insanely profitable (for a MMORPG). |
| 05:42.37 | Amarande | and it started to make me wonder if, in fact, the opponents did know how to approximately time their ganks so as to maximize the amount of time we stayed dead |
| 05:42.52 | DWSR | Amarande: Selective memory. |
| 05:42.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: certainly not a bad tactic |
| 05:43.13 | Amarande | I mean, it *would* be a simple matter to make a quickie BG timer addon to tell you what the current rez timer is throughout, no? |
| 05:43.16 | Amarande | DWSR: Probably. :) |
| 05:43.19 | Thunder_Child | Thrae, yet many other games offer customization. |
| 05:43.25 | Thunder_Child | compeditors even |
| 05:43.27 | DWSR | Amarande: Not really. |
| 05:43.40 | DWSR | Amarande: Because you don't know exactly when after the battle begins the rez timer stops. |
| 05:43.45 | DWSR | Might be off by as much as a third of a cycle. |
| 05:44.11 | Thrae | WoW has one well-designed innovation and that is how it handles Casual PvE so damn well. |
| 05:44.15 | DWSR | Also, are GYs in sync? |
| 05:44.24 | Amarande | I'm actually not quite sure how the graveyards work |
| 05:44.36 | Amarande | other than that I presume it keeps cycling whether or not anyone is actually dead |
| 05:44.39 | DWSR | Amarande: There's so many variables that would require testing to make an addon like that actually accurate. |
| 05:45.00 | DWSR | WSG would be the easiest, since there's 1 GY and it never changes hands. |
| 05:45.05 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: i'd guess they are, because it seems technically easier, but yea, it'd need verification |
| 05:45.10 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: yeah except each graveyard seems to have its own timer, a long time ago people used timer addons but they had some inaccuracy and the consensus was that the GYs werent synced |
| 05:45.28 | NightHawkTheSane | or that *shrug* |
| 05:45.41 | Arrowmaster | DWSR: there are 2 |
| 05:45.50 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: 1 per faction, i.e. 1 enemy. |
| 05:45.59 | Arrowmaster | you might be able to time your own respawns but you wouldnt know the enemies |
| 05:46.04 | DWSR | Right. |
| 05:46.15 | Adys | technically |
| 05:46.18 | DWSR | But you were suggesting that they knew the cycle of YOUR GYs in order to maximize your time you stayed dead. |
| 05:46.18 | Adys | you could |
| 05:46.27 | Adys | you can see the enemy spirit guide |
| 05:46.31 | Adys | and when he casts you get the event |
| 05:46.45 | DWSR | Adys: That assumes you're with log range of him. |
| 05:46.51 | DWSR | Like I said, in WSG that would work. |
| 05:46.56 | Adys | ya |
| 05:47.03 | DWSR | Because the GYs never change hands and the cycle is never broken. |
| 05:47.08 | Thrae | Thunder_Child: I don't know of any older MMORPG good enough to compete directly with WoW that also has well-designed customization as a popular thing to do. |
| 05:47.09 | DWSR | Forget about it in any of the others though. |
| 05:47.34 | DWSR | Because then you have to worry about phase-in times of the Spirit healers after the cap, etc. etc. etc. etc. |
| 05:47.49 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: doesnt exist, no MMO before WoW had any customization other than just reskinning the UI afaik |
| 05:48.07 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: We're talking dyes. |
| 05:48.08 | Iriel | Are you talking gear customization or UI customization? |
| 05:48.18 | Iriel | SWG had tons of gear customization |
| 05:48.24 | Arrowmaster | ah |
| 05:48.25 | DWSR | UI, I tihnk |
| 05:48.46 | Arrowmaster | i know some mmo's had dyes you could mix and keep mixing |
| 05:48.46 | Iriel | Only WoW had slouken (on the UI front 8-)) |
| 05:48.47 | DWSR | tbh, it would be nice if WoW allowed you to equip one set of gear and have another set of models shown on your character. |
| 05:48.49 | Thunder_Child | it wasnt dye specificly Thrae |
| 05:49.01 | Thunder_Child | general visual customization |
| 05:49.04 | DWSR | Perhaps only in major cities or something? |
| 05:49.35 | DWSR | It would be a nice touch for RPers and people whose gear doesn't match, or whose tier gear is god awful (rogues). |
| 05:49.57 | DWSR | Has the warlock t10 preview been upped yet? |
| 05:50.33 | DWSR | The ones released so far aren't bad, except for the druid helm and the entire rogue set. |
| 05:51.13 | Jerub | what's wrong with the drood helm? |
| 05:51.25 | Jerub | the T8 drood helm is the ugliest POS |
| 05:51.30 | NightHawkTheSane | i |
| 05:51.30 | Jerub | I turned off helm display because of it. |
| 05:51.36 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd take slouken over dyes |
| 05:51.37 | Jerub | stupid cresent on the forehead |
| 05:52.08 | Thrae | DWSR: Blizzard did that on purpose to make people search out "cool-looking" gear as well as gear with better stats. It's part of the Diablo "customization" that WoW was based on. However, they destroyed that in end-game by creating only a select group of Tiered Sets that outmatched whatever you could throw together. |
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| 05:52.36 | DWSR | Jerub: Have you seen the T10 helm? |
| 05:52.44 | DWSR | Just....kinda....ugly? |
| 05:53.16 | Iriel | NightHawkTheSane: Yeah |
| 05:53.59 | Thrae | The problem is, Blizzard Designers have been notoriously stubborn on their ideas and do not like to admit failure and reneg, especially when WoW overall is still doing so well. |
| 05:54.20 | Jerub | i haven't seen the T10 |
| 05:54.28 | Thrae | I think it's because of their EQ days. |
| 05:54.39 | Jerub | heh EQ. |
| 05:55.14 | DWSR | Jerub: The whole set is actually really good, except for the fuck helm. |
| 05:55.15 | DWSR | fucking* |
| 05:55.34 | DWSR | Jerub: The helm looks like someone shat on your head and sculpted it into....teeth or thorns or something. |
| 05:55.38 | DWSR | You can't see your face as all. |
| 05:57.04 | DWSR | tbh, the only helm that totally covered your face that I liked was the T8 Warlock helm. |
| 05:57.11 | DWSR | I dunno, all the others that are full facemasks....sorta...suck. |
| 05:57.54 | Jerub | DWSR: gotta be better than the glowy blue cresent moon |
| 05:58.05 | DWSR | Jerub: I dunno, it's a bit of a tossup. |
| 05:58.18 | Jerub | anyway, no one ever looks at a druid's eqiupment. |
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| 05:59.02 | Jerub | you're always looking at a moonkins, trees, cats and bears. |
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| 06:02.21 | Fisker- | fu Shirik |
| 06:02.24 | Fisker- | herro Jerub |
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| 06:08.08 | Jerub | Fisker-: what the hell. |
| 06:08.52 | Fisker- | what? |
| 06:15.06 | Jerub | sppeaking of helms. |
| 06:15.08 | Jerub | CAD |
| 06:15.17 | DWSR | yeah |
| 06:15.22 | DWSR | kinda funny. |
| 06:15.26 | Fisker- | :3+ |
| 06:15.27 | Fisker- | ? |
| 06:15.33 | Jerub | someone link to a pic of the drood T10 helm |
| 06:16.59 | Dagmar | http://tinyurl.com/n2g4wu |
| 06:17.16 | DWSR | is.gd > tinyurl.com |
| 06:17.18 | Dagmar | waits |
| 06:18.06 | Gnarfoz | actually it's < |
| 06:18.09 | Dagmar | ...although frankly if it did look like that I think a lot of people would still wear it |
| 06:18.21 | Gnarfoz | dun dun dunnnn |
| 06:18.30 | Dagmar | "I don't care what it looks like it's T10 damnit!" |
| 06:18.53 | DWSR | Dagmar: Tier usually isn't BiS. |
| 06:18.56 | Gnarfoz | Jerub: yay, wave invite arrived today |
| 06:18.57 | Fisker- | well then i hate you |
| 06:19.01 | DWSR | Dagmar: And even if it is, it's only like 3 pieces. |
| 06:19.02 | Fisker- | old Gnarfoz |
| 06:19.07 | Dagmar | DWSR: Let's hope it stays that way |
| 06:19.10 | Gnarfoz | Fisker-: you sure? |
| 06:19.17 | DWSR | Dagmar: tbh though, the T4 for Warlocks is fucking OP. |
| 06:19.20 | DWSR | err. |
| 06:19.23 | DWSR | 4PT10. |
| 06:19.35 | DWSR | 10% damage buff to you and your pet for 10 sec. |
| 06:19.39 | Gnarfoz | there's other 4pc bonuses that are very worth having *making* the set BiS |
| 06:20.02 | Fisker- | yes Gnarfoz |
| 06:20.11 | Gnarfoz | add me, then |
| 06:20.12 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 06:20.13 | Dagmar | Ah... here it is on mmo-champion, as usual. |
| 06:20.17 | Dagmar | T10 druid pron http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/october/tier10_druid_hd.jpg |
| 06:20.17 | Fisker- | i would wave at you but i'm on a machine without admin rights and only with IE :( |
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| 06:20.31 | Gnarfoz | lulz IE |
| 06:20.37 | Gnarfoz | anyway, sleep tiems |
| 06:20.43 | Jerub | fuck that's ugly. |
| 06:20.45 | Fisker- | screw you Gnarfoz |
| 06:20.54 | Dagmar | Jerub: COuld be worse |
| 06:21.00 | DWSR | Jerub: told you. Though, rogues have it worse than you do. |
| 06:21.08 | Gnarfoz | gimp suit for rogues |
| 06:21.08 | DWSR | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/october/tier10_rogue_hd.jpg |
| 06:21.09 | Gnarfoz | I love it |
| 06:21.27 | Dagmar | "I'm stealthy, which is why I have this cave lamp installed in my face" |
| 06:21.30 | Bibi | MMO-CHAMPION HIGHLIGHTS? |
| 06:21.32 | Bibi | yes??? |
| 06:21.32 | Dagmar | Hunter hat is worse |
| 06:21.34 | Fisker- | everyone and their mom will be running around in ilvl232 epics or better by 3.3 |
| 06:21.35 | Bibi | what can I do for you?????? |
| 06:21.41 | Dagmar | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/october/tier10_hunter_hd.jpg |
| 06:21.43 | Fisker- | do me |
| 06:21.53 | Bibi | you couldn't afford it Fisker |
| 06:22.00 | Dagmar | Fisker-: Not likely |
| 06:22.00 | Fisker- | :( |
| 06:22.08 | Fisker- | i know i barely have money for salt Bibi |
| 06:22.21 | Dagmar | People with jobs will still be floating around 219 with a 1-2 pieces of 245 |
| 06:22.30 | Fisker- | naaaaaaaw Dagmar |
| 06:22.43 | Dagmar | I don't see a lot of Ulduar pugs happening anytime soon |
| 06:22.47 | Gnarfoz | Bibi: you could tell what the #ej topic means ;D |
| 06:22.50 | Fisker- | so? |
| 06:22.53 | Dagmar | That week-long lockout basically breaks things |
| 06:22.59 | Fisker- | 3.3 heroics = Emblem of Triumph |
| 06:23.05 | DWSR | Indeed. |
| 06:23.09 | Gnarfoz | also, 3.3 dungeons = 232, too |
| 06:23.10 | Dagmar | your point being? |
| 06:23.12 | Fisker- | = T9.10 and other badge items |
| 06:23.19 | Fisker- | = ilevel 232 and higher |
| 06:23.19 | Fisker- | :o |
| 06:23.29 | Dagmar | So unless they exploit some daily reset thing, they're not going to have just piles and piles of those badges man |
| 06:23.32 | Gnarfoz | his point being: 232 > 219 |
| 06:23.46 | Fisker- | you can do like 60 emblems a day |
| 06:23.47 | Gnarfoz | right, you have to exploit something to do a 5man heroic every day |
| 06:23.48 | Dagmar | I'm doing damn well to have the gear that I do |
| 06:23.51 | Fisker- | not counting raids |
| 06:23.54 | DWSR | Fisker: T10 is purchasable with Emblems of Frost. |
| 06:23.57 | Dagmar | Gnarfoz: That gives you how many? |
| 06:24.05 | Gnarfoz | Dagmar: it gives you gear *directly*. |
| 06:24.21 | Gnarfoz | +everything currently in the game will give Triumph emblems |
| 06:24.22 | Dagmar | They're making >219 drop from Heroics now? |
| 06:24.27 | DWSR | Dagmar: No. |
| 06:24.30 | Gnarfoz | not now, 3.3 |
| 06:24.31 | DWSR | Dagmar: Just the IC 5man. |
| 06:24.39 | Gnarfoz | plural |
| 06:24.42 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: They're not changing the loot tables for the current heroics. |
| 06:24.42 | Dagmar | Yes, well, Fisker was claiming this for _before_ 3.3 |
| 06:24.46 | Dagmar | ...and I doubt it |
| 06:24.47 | Gnarfoz | DWSR: yes they are |
| 06:24.53 | DWSR | wtf? |
| 06:24.57 | Gnarfoz | what... |
| 06:24.58 | DWSR | They're dropping EoT I know. |
| 06:24.59 | DWSR | But wtf? |
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| 06:25.04 | Fisker- | i said by 3.3 |
| 06:25.04 | Gnarfoz | well, that's what I said. |
| 06:25.04 | Fisker- | not before 3.3 |
| 06:25.11 | DWSR | They're redoing the loot tables for ALL the current heroics? |
| 06:25.15 | DWSR | I don't believe you |
| 06:25.17 | Dagmar | They should make the instances more ruthless |
| 06:25.18 | Bibi | [08:22:31] <Gnarfoz> Bibi: you could tell what the #ej topic means ;D |
| 06:25.20 | Gnarfoz | you're not reading well, DWSR |
| 06:25.27 | Bibi | probably related to Blizzard releasing T10 before me? |
| 06:25.38 | Bibi | (and getting their ass owned shortly after that because they can't post a proper preview) |
| 06:25.48 | Fisker- | sauce Gnarfoz |
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| 06:25.50 | Gnarfoz | meh |
| 06:25.51 | Fisker- | or sauce Bibi |
| 06:26.00 | Bibi | also |
| 06:26.06 | Bibi | where the fuck are stored the class icons |
| 06:26.09 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Apparently reading is not my forte. |
| 06:26.13 | Bibi | I always waste 2 hours each time I need them |
| 06:26.20 | DWSR | Gnarfoz: Thought you meant they were going to make all current heroics drop 232. |
| 06:26.24 | Gnarfoz | naw |
| 06:26.26 | DWSR | I was like....fuck off. |
| 06:26.33 | Fisker- | one of the locale folders for sure Bibi |
| 06:26.34 | Fisker- | :o |
| 06:26.38 | Bibi | THANKS FISKER |
| 06:26.40 | Bibi | VERY USEFUL. |
| 06:26.42 | tem | Bibi, god I want you to be wrong on the DK set art |
| 06:26.45 | Fisker- | YES |
| 06:26.47 | tem | I want you to be wrong so hard |
| 06:26.52 | tem | that shit is so ugly |
| 06:26.53 | Fisker- | BUT THATS WHAT YOU GET WHEN I'M NOT AT MY COMPUTER |
| 06:26.55 | DWSR | tem: The DK T10 isn't bad looking. |
| 06:27.00 | Bibi | tem: Blizzard posted the exact same armor set |
| 06:27.01 | DWSR | tem: It's not awesome, but it's not bad. |
| 06:27.01 | tem | looks like goddamn leveling gear |
| 06:27.05 | Bibi | I doubt I'm wrong |
| 06:27.09 | tem | Bibi, I know you aren't wrong |
| 06:27.15 | tem | but I still want you to be wrong |
| 06:27.15 | Dagmar | It's _not_ ugly, and that's the important thing. |
| 06:27.16 | Bibi | and fyi |
| 06:27.21 | Bibi | the DK in their screenshot is Darion Mograine |
| 06:27.22 | Dagmar | Everyone but DKs will look like circus freaks |
| 06:27.30 | Bibi | and the dwarf on the warrior screenshot is Muradin |
| 06:27.30 | DWSR | tem: Have you seen the rogue one? |
| 06:27.40 | DWSR | The warrior T10 is...meh. |
| 06:27.41 | Gnarfoz | no shit Bibi |
| 06:27.42 | Fisker- | true Dagmar |
| 06:27.43 | tem | DWSR, I think the rogue set looks pretty sweet |
| 06:27.48 | DWSR | tem: wtf? |
| 06:27.49 | Bibi | and ... |
| 06:27.51 | Fisker- | i also hate they fucked up our t10 set bonus :( |
| 06:28.02 | Bibi | the orc warrior is .... |
| 06:28.02 | Fisker- | I was like "well atleast the 2-piece set bonus is nice" |
| 06:28.03 | tem | I can't quite figure out the warrior set |
| 06:28.05 | DWSR | tem: You look like a fucking geist. |
| 06:28.08 | tem | something about it doesn't sit right with me |
| 06:28.09 | Fisker- | Now i'm like "FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUU-" |
| 06:28.14 | Bibi | High Overlord Omar. |
| 06:28.15 | Bibi | not kidding. |
| 06:28.26 | Fisker- | Omar Mazouk? |
| 06:28.40 | Bibi | http://db.mmo-champion.com/c/37820/test-high-overlord-omar/ |
| 06:28.55 | Adys | isnt omar some blizz employee |
| 06:29.02 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/search/all/omar/ |
| 06:29.04 | Adys | hm yes he is |
| 06:29.07 | Gnarfoz | http://db.mmo-champion.com/q/241/test-hey-mister-wilson/ < ;D |
| 06:29.51 | Fisker- | Blizzard tried to do google wave |
| 06:29.55 | Fisker- | but kinda failed |
| 06:29.55 | Fisker- | :P |
| 06:30.01 | Dagmar | Description: Push Billy the Street Urchin into the jaws of the sewer crocolisk. |
| 06:30.57 | DWSR | lol |
| 06:32.26 | Jerub | my resto set still has two ilvl200 blues, but also 2 ilvl 245 pieces. my feral set is all epics, but max level 226.... |
| 06:32.37 | Fisker- | boycotts Jerub |
| 06:32.45 | Fisker- | thanks for the invite though! |
| 06:32.55 | Jerub | far out i want the 4T8 set :( |
| 06:33.05 | Jerub | but i can't hit heroics to get it. |
| 06:35.22 | Dagmar | Wait what do you mean you can't hit heroics, with that gear? |
| 06:35.34 | Thunder_Child | ...seriously, there is an "Israeli Martin Luther King Award" |
| 06:36.06 | Fisker- | Dagmar obviously "Link full legendary and realm first! conquerer of heroic icecrown citadel" is a requirement for heroics |
| 06:36.26 | Dagmar | Fisker: Wow they've gotten a lot pickier in the last week |
| 06:36.36 | Adys | <div id="ii1" class="ii" onmouseover="this.className='ii_hover'" onmouseout="this.className='ii'"> |
| 06:36.39 | Adys | google :[ |
| 06:36.41 | Dagmar | I'll link them realm first 80 blood elf and see if it's enough |
| 06:36.45 | Adys | i know why they do this but baahhhh |
| 06:37.00 | Dagmar | I've actually done that before. |
| 06:37.02 | Dagmar | I'm alliance. |
| 06:37.08 | Dagmar | It took them awhile to catch on. |
| 06:37.17 | Dagmar | ...and it was _after_ I showed up. |
| 06:37.39 | Fisker- | :P |
| 06:37.48 | Adys | there are achievement linkspam contests in gchat sometimes |
| 06:37.51 | Fisker- | i wonder if the achievement gets removed on faction change |
| 06:37.56 | Adys | it doesnt |
| 06:37.59 | DWSR | Fisker-: No. |
| 06:38.00 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 06:38.09 | Fisker- | i would faction change if alliance weren't for fags |
| 06:38.10 | Fisker- | :D |
| 06:38.18 | DWSR | Fisker: No joke. |
| 06:38.25 | Dagmar | Don't want people to know your interests lie that way? |
| 06:38.28 | Dagmar | I can understand. |
| 06:38.39 | Fisker- | :3 |
| 06:38.50 | Adys | last time, one of our warrs linked [Insane in the Membrane] |
| 06:38.51 | DWSR | ~Fisker++ |
| 06:38.53 | DWSR | ~Fisker-++ |
| 06:38.54 | Adys | 10 seconds of silence |
| 06:39.04 | DWSR | Adys: I'm going for that acheivement. |
| 06:39.08 | Adys | i link [Realm First! Level 80] |
| 06:39.09 | Adys | vlam |
| 06:39.11 | DWSR | I'm going to kill myself before I get that. |
| 06:39.25 | Adys | darkmoon faire is gonna be expensive bleeeeeeehh |
| 06:39.31 | Adys | i still didnt work on it |
| 06:39.34 | Adys | recently been doing DM |
| 06:39.36 | Adys | good money |
| 06:39.37 | DWSR | Adys: Yeah. |
| 06:39.48 | DWSR | I'm leveling herbalism so I can get a scribe to make all my decks. |
| 06:39.49 | Dagmar | heh |
| 06:40.00 | DWSR | I'm farming goblin rep atm, on Gadgetzan. |
| 06:40.08 | DWSR | Apparently Bloodsail Admiral is the easy part of that achievement. |
| 06:40.24 | DWSR | Have you done Ravenholdt yet? |
| 06:40.27 | Fisker- | i would've gotten realm first level 80 if it wasn't for those pesky instance runners |
| 06:40.38 | Adys | Fisker: cry more |
| 06:40.41 | Adys | im revered ravenholdt |
| 06:40.42 | Fisker- | indeed |
| 06:40.46 | Dagmar | I decided that working solo I'd rather sleep |
| 06:40.47 | DWSR | Adys: Revered's easy. |
| 06:40.53 | Adys | takes a couple of days to get exalted i just need to get my rogue to 60 |
| 06:40.58 | DWSR | Just grind in Hillsbrad for an hour. |
| 06:41.01 | DWSR | err. |
| 06:41.02 | DWSR | for hours* |
| 06:41.10 | DWSR | Revered to Exalted is like 1.4k lockboxes. |
| 06:41.19 | Adys | ya which is a couple of days to farm |
| 06:41.20 | DWSR | 1.2k if you're a human. |
| 06:41.41 | DWSR | tbh, the worst parts of that grind are the Darkmoon and Ravenholdt reps. |
| 06:41.51 | DWSR | Shen'dralar, goblins, etc. are all easy and boring. |
| 06:42.06 | DWSR | Just run around in a pirate infested area mercing pirates until your eyes bleed. |
| 06:42.06 | Dagmar | If want people to know I'm a masochist I'll show them my build scripts. |
| 06:42.10 | Adys | RH is fine |
| 06:42.19 | Adys | its just i need to level my fucking rogue |
| 06:42.24 | DWSR | Adys: Yeah. |
| 06:42.32 | DWSR | Both my rogues are horde. |
| 06:42.34 | DWSR | and my main's alliance. |
| 06:42.46 | DWSR | So I need to 1-60 a new rogue with no PvE gear. |
| 06:42.49 | DWSR | err. BoA* |
| 06:43.02 | DWSR | But I might be server transferring soon, so right now I'm just leaving RH rep. |
| 06:43.09 | DWSR | DMF is a real bitch though |
| 06:43.47 | DWSR | What do you do for the Shen'dralar? Just run DM until you go crazy? |
| 06:44.10 | Adys | I did shen dralar years ago |
| 06:44.13 | Dagmar | You're bound to get an orb that way |
| 06:44.38 | DWSR | It's just turning in Librams and running DM. |
| 06:44.40 | DWSR | afaik. |
| 06:44.55 | DWSR | I need to top off my Argent Dawn rep too. |
| 06:45.03 | Dagmar | The fattie with it is sure to spawn while you're doing it, and the goblin isn't exactly low-profile when it happens |
| 06:45.08 | DWSR | Just do some baron runs. |
| 06:45.14 | Amarande | I still think they should offer you the thistle tea recipe for sale once you're exalted with RH, no matter what your class :) |
| 06:45.18 | Amarande | You deserve something for that grind. |
| 06:45.23 | DWSR | Amarande: Why? |
| 06:45.31 | Dagmar | Amarande: Oh! The thing I should have said to you last night about Emalon |
| 06:45.42 | Dagmar | Amarande: The magic phrase appears to be "target of opportunity" |
| 06:45.44 | Adys | [09:45:10] <Amarande> I still think they should offer you the thistle tea recipe for sale once you're exalted with RH, no matter what your class :) |
| 06:45.47 | Adys | ya probably |
| 06:45.54 | Amarande | 1.4k lockboxes that you have to either have a rogue for or sit in trade chat for ages for, since you can't even AH them? Should be some reward. :) |
| 06:45.55 | DWSR | Thistle tea's so...meh. |
| 06:46.11 | DWSR | Amarande: Turning them all in at once is harder than getting them all. |
| 06:46.12 | Amarande | DWSR: It's mainly that "DAMMIT MY COOKING RECIPES STILL AREN'T 100%" grating feeling. :) |
| 06:46.13 | Adys | it does annoy me |
| 06:46.14 | Dagmar | Amarande: ...because basically with those overcharged guys being a raid-wipe condition, it downranks Emalon to less than top priority |
| 06:46.17 | Adys | anyway |
| 06:46.19 | Adys | night all |
| 06:46.25 | Amarande | Night Adys. |
| 06:46.36 | DWSR | Amarande: Do you know how much bagspace you need for 1.4k lockboxes? |
| 06:46.41 | Dagmar | Amarande: *Some* people will know what target of opportunity means, and it's not hard to explain it to the rest of them |
| 06:46.57 | DWSR | 1.4k fucking slots. |
| 06:46.57 | Amarande | DWSR: about a complete account's worth of banks on one server? |
| 06:47.03 | Jerub | wtf. thistle tea is rogue only, but restores mana? |
| 06:47.16 | Amarande | Jerub: tooltip fail, probably :) |
| 06:47.18 | DWSR | Jerub: Except it doesn't restore mana. |
| 06:47.26 | Dagmar | It restores energy |
| 06:47.26 | Jerub | wowhead lies. |
| 06:47.30 | DWSR | Jerub: No it doesn't. |
| 06:47.32 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/item/thistle%20tea |
| 06:48.00 | Jerub | oh, right. |
| 06:48.07 | DWSR | Jerub: http://www.wowhead.com/?search=thistle+tea <-- Dude, it doesn't say restores mana anywhere. |
| 06:48.31 | Dagmar | I wonder if that's why they jacked it |
| 06:48.43 | Jerub | hm, i think i might be insane. |
| 06:48.46 | DWSR | Thistle Tea is so OP when leveling. |
| 06:49.12 | DWSR | Oh fuck, I just pulled a whole room full of elites. S&D + BFl + Thistle Tea = win. |
| 06:49.33 | Dagmar | Nah, feign death. :) |
| 06:49.39 | DWSR | pft. |
| 06:49.42 | DWSR | I want ma XP. |
| 06:49.46 | DWSR | brb, laundry and food and something. |
| 06:55.57 | Dagmar | There's no bonus XP for taking on ludicrous odds |
| 06:56.19 | Jerub | Dagmar: XP/second is certainly higher. |
| 06:56.22 | Jerub | if you survive. |
| 06:56.40 | Dagmar | This is why I've learned to aim for not dying. |
| 06:56.56 | Dagmar | XP kinda sucks in ghost form. |
| 06:57.04 | Dagmar | Not very many quests you can get that way either |
| 06:57.38 | Amarande | Dagmar: you can get the BRD key! |
| 06:57.42 | Amarande | and do part of the Link chain :D |
| 06:57.52 | Dagmar | Yeah, I actually remembered about that Monday night |
| 06:58.28 | Dagmar | ...after I had killed everything that moved in the entire closer half |
| 06:58.28 | Dagmar | I just figured *someone* would drop a Shadowforged key eventually |
| 06:58.30 | Amarande | Dagmar: heh, yeah, if there were bonuses for taking on bad odds, people would take bads all the time in raids |
| 06:58.39 | Dagmar | On the other hand, I can now make a Runic Cloth Zeppelin |
| 06:58.59 | Amarande | an ach for managing to take down a boss after enrage might be neat, though |
| 06:59.01 | Arrowmaster | a what? |
| 06:59.03 | Amarande | "Whew That Was a Close One" maybe? :) |
| 06:59.07 | Dagmar | hehehe |
| 06:59.20 | Dagmar | It's a joke man. I wound up with a ludicrous amount of runecloth |
| 06:59.38 | Amarande | speaking of which, some bosses' enrage is just silly |
| 06:59.40 | Dagmar | Being the last man alive when the boss dies should be one |
| 06:59.55 | Dagmar | ...cuz it's usually someone who really went balls to the wall for it |
| 07:00.09 | Fisker- | talks to Dagmar |
| 07:00.35 | Dagmar | I've watched a paladin pull off the last 30-45s of Heigan alone tho |
| 07:00.42 | Dagmar | Ventrilo went nuts |
| 07:00.51 | Amarande | ah yes, paladin saves are legendary |
| 07:00.55 | Dagmar | It was freaking spectacular to see |
| 07:01.10 | Amarande | I've never gotten to raid as one, but I still remember that one hellfire citadel run where I just barely managed to take out the dragon |
| 07:01.22 | Amarande | apparently, our DPS managed to get themselves baked because they couldn't stop standing in fire |
| 07:01.30 | Dagmar | ehehe |
| 07:01.41 | Amarande | he was down to just a few % ... druid healer even blew his innervate on me and I *just* managed to finish it |
| 07:01.52 | Amarande | that dragon gives pally tanks mana issues apparently |
| 07:01.53 | Dagmar | I'm glad they finalyl made it harder for people to accidentally turn off "stuff on the floor" effects |
| 07:01.55 | Amarande | or did in BC |
| 07:02.21 | Amarande | because, well, mostly he damages with that OMGWTFBBQ breath. |
| 07:02.39 | Amarande | if you stayed out of the breath, you didn't take damage, and got mana starved like BC pally tanks do when they don't take damage :P |
| 07:02.55 | Amarande | if you stayed in the breath, mostly you died with pug healers |
| 07:03.09 | Dagmar | I always remembered to wave at the raid leader as I got back up from my little drinks. |
| 07:03.28 | Amarande | if you bubbled, then you went off the aggro table for ten seconds or whatever it was, and then the dragon would omnomnom the dps and people would have a sock party on you after the wipe. :P |
| 07:03.31 | Jerub | i like the newer innervate. i'm much less timid about just throwing it on party member. |
| 07:03.40 | Amarande | (translation: bubbling while tanking = BAD) |
| 07:03.41 | Jerub | "oh look, that party member is out of mana, i'll just replenish them." |
| 07:03.52 | Dagmar | heehee |
| 07:04.11 | Amarande | well, when this druid used his on me, there wasn't much choice |
| 07:04.21 | Dagmar | I hate the new bubble. |
| 07:04.27 | Amarande | since I was ooming like crazy and it was down to just me and him to finish off the last like 5-10% or so of (forget the HFC dragon name DAMMIT) |
| 07:04.33 | Dagmar | Guild leader likes to throw it on me to mess with my Kill Shots |
| 07:04.48 | Amarande | Dagmar: which new bubble? |
| 07:05.02 | Dagmar | The one that makes other people unable to attack. |
| 07:05.04 | Amarande | I haven't played paladin since BC |
| 07:05.19 | Dagmar | It protects them like a short-term pally bubble |
| 07:05.23 | Dagmar | ...and makes hunters cuss a lot. |
| 07:05.25 | Amarande | which class? |
| 07:05.33 | Dagmar | I *thought* it was a paladin thing |
| 07:05.53 | Amarande | I'm a bit out of date on my bubbles besides paladin standard bubbles and priest bubbles and warlock voidwalker bubbles |
| 07:05.54 | Dagmar | http://www.wowwiki.com/Blessing_of_Protection |
| 07:05.57 | Dagmar | I *hate* that |
| 07:05.58 | Amarande | ah that. |
| 07:06.35 | Dagmar | I'm wailing away at the whack-a-mole, watching for my opportunity to land a really big kill shot, I'll BRK up and then *whirrrnng* I mysteriously stop shooting. |
| 07:06.58 | Amarande | heh |
| 07:06.59 | Amarande | "Tanking paladins can use this as a last resort method of aggro management, or because of a player's inability to perform melee actions through the shield, an effective way to reign in a melee dps class who is unable to control their own aggro." |
| 07:07.06 | Dagmar | You're always like "WTF? Surely I didn't run out of bullets NOW?" |
| 07:07.13 | Amarande | this sounds like a good way to piss off your raid member. |
| 07:07.17 | Dagmar | It is. |
| 07:07.29 | Dagmar | Land it on a hunter right as the boss hits 20% health |
| 07:07.34 | Amarande | There is a proper and accepted way to rein in your melee dps class who is unable to control their own aggro. |
| 07:07.39 | Amarande | This is called 'let them die.' |
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| 07:07.50 | Dagmar | ...cuz they'll be madly slapping Kill Shot trying to make it go off and it won't. |
| 07:07.53 | Amarande | They're melee, so it's not like the mob is going to move significantly enough to ruin things like if it was a ranged pulling aggro. :) |
| 07:08.14 | Amarande | speaking of melee DPS: arms or fury better lately? |
| 07:08.21 | Jerub | kitty. |
| 07:08.21 | Dagmar | Amarande: Well, ostensibly it's a way to save warlock bacon |
| 07:08.31 | Dagmar | You have to be paying attention for that tho |
| 07:09.14 | Dagmar | Warlocks being the class with the horrible runs of suprise crits they can't stop |
| 07:09.37 | Dagmar | *sigh* |
| 07:09.54 | Amarande | that's because we tend to have ridiculous crit %'s |
| 07:09.55 | Dagmar | I just realized there's an ad for full t8.5 on wikia |
| 07:09.58 | Dagmar | Yuck |
| 07:10.15 | DWSR | Amarande: I'm >50% in 226ish. |
| 07:10.35 | Amarande | of course, come to think of it, why do I get this feeling Fury will vanish almost altogether once ICC hits? :) |
| 07:10.54 | Amarande | except for leveling and maybe pvp, anyway |
| 07:11.17 | Jerub | Amarande: what's ridiculuous crit%? |
| 07:11.23 | Amarande | I'm thinking just about every DPS warrior worth their salt will probably go arms so they can stake a legitimate claim to the new legendary ... |
| 07:11.48 | Amarande | Just like if you were in BT at 70 and weren't stupid, you went Fury. :) |
| 07:12.08 | Dagmar | Kill the boss, change spec. |
| 07:12.14 | Dagmar | Watch trailer park drama explode. |
| 07:12.23 | Amarande | Jerub: like, so you start wondering what a regular hit is omgwtfbbq crit. :) |
| 07:12.43 | Amarande | Why do people start drama over mere loot anyway :| |
| 07:12.44 | Dagmar | Amarande: More importantly, it puts the std dev for their damage WAY up there |
| 07:12.54 | Jerub | Amarande: no, i mean, in numbers. |
| 07:13.06 | Amarande | Jerub: hard to say. |
| 07:13.09 | Jerub | my kitty is at 50.86% or something |
| 07:13.44 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, that's not so good. :S |
| 07:13.48 | Jerub | hence why i'm asking for a number ;) |
| 07:13.58 | Amarande | Then when your numbers run low for too long a streak, you get kicked out of the PUG for not doing enough DPS |
| 07:14.17 | Dagmar | Amarande: I've never seen anyone get punted mid-instance unless there was serious fail happening |
| 07:14.20 | Amarande | and when they run too high, you pull aggro and die (and then sometimes get kicked out of the PUG for not doing enough DPS, since it's hard to do more than goose egg while dead. :D) |
| 07:14.33 | Amarande | yeah, it doesn't happen that often |
| 07:14.37 | Amarande | I got booted from Ony25 once though :S |
| 07:14.40 | Dagmar | We've picked up a fifth before just to fill the slot, watched them do 900 dps |
| 07:14.51 | Dagmar | It's not like we cared since we could 4-man the place anyway |
| 07:15.00 | Amarande | to be honest? yeah, I understand what some folks have said about having reasonable gear progression to do certain raids |
| 07:15.02 | Amarande | however |
| 07:15.14 | Amarande | Ony25, by design, is probably THE most laid-back encounter IN THE GAME in terms of how good your DPS need to be. |
| 07:15.21 | Amarande | It's THE encounter you can MOST afford to carry deadweight on. |
| 07:15.26 | Jerub | i had a minor freakout when i did 25ony and on the trash mobs i was thinking, "I can just autoattack these and drink my beer" |
| 07:15.32 | DWSR | Amarande: Yeah, I know. |
| 07:15.41 | Jerub | and then the raid leader said, "anyone who does under 3k dps gets kicked" |
| 07:15.41 | Amarande | and yet, it's the one raid encounter I've been booted from, go figure heh |
| 07:16.34 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure actually that the only people whose capabilities really get stretched in a bad Ony25 group are the healers |
| 07:16.39 | Jerub | i had to burn a beserk to make sure i wasn't lowest on the dps chart (I'm a kitty, i have a long ramp up time, trash mobs are bad for my recount values) |
| 07:16.47 | Dagmar | Amrande: Try pet wrangling |
| 07:16.59 | Dagmar | I wanted to go soak my hands after that fight |
| 07:17.02 | Amarande | Tanks? Just make sure you have aggro and Ony isn't pointing the appropriate dangerous parts towards most of the raid |
| 07:17.14 | Amarande | (if someone isn't paying attention and is standing the wrong place, that is not your fault and they can die.) |
| 07:17.20 | Fisker- | i want to be free |
| 07:17.36 | Amarande | DPS? As long as Ony's green bar is going down, you're fine, since there's no enrage :D |
| 07:17.46 | Amarande | Healers? Depending on the DPS, you may need more mana. That's about it. |
| 07:18.02 | Amarande | (and is pretty much the crux of the encounter, whether your healers go oom before you take her down, or not.) |
| 07:18.04 | Jerub | ranged dps? just make sure in phase2 you don't shoot ony, so that you stretch the healers to their limits of oom. |
| 07:18.29 | Amarande | Jerub: you have ranged dps like that? |
| 07:18.42 | Dagmar | hehehe |
| 07:18.43 | Amarande | I never did anything stupid like that and I STILL got booted from ony25, simply because "oh your recount wasn't good enough" |
| 07:18.56 | Amarande | and THAT is what I talk about when I "whine" about "meter maids". |
| 07:18.57 | DWSR | Amarande: You fail. |
| 07:19.04 | Jerub | Amarande: i've been in pugs |
| 07:19.10 | Dagmar | You've got some tightasses on your server man |
| 07:19.19 | Jerub | yeah, move servers, seriously. |
| 07:19.21 | Amarande | DWSR: if the *lowest* DPS among the DPS (which was, in fact, me, I'll admit), is 3.5k |
| 07:19.26 | Amarande | then fail on Ony25 is not the DPS. right? :) |
| 07:19.49 | Jerub | I told you the story about how i pulled 1.8kdps in voa because i was wearing the wrong gear |
| 07:19.53 | Amarande | I haven't been back to Ony25 since, so I'm not sure if that's a general server standard or if I just got a bad raid |
| 07:19.57 | Dagmar | Amarnade: Definitely |
| 07:19.59 | Amarande | I probably got a bad raid |
| 07:20.07 | Jerub | I told the RL i wouldn't roll on the gera because i was so shit and he was like, "wtf, don't not roll" |
| 07:20.08 | Amarande | seeing as they were wiping when the *lowest* DPS was 3.5k ... |
| 07:20.36 | Jerub | if shitheads don't know to move out of the line of fire of deep breath.... |
| 07:20.46 | Dagmar | Jerub: For reasonable people what matters is who's dead and who isn't |
| 07:21.05 | Amarande | I'm still not having much luck getting into voa this week though |
| 07:21.13 | Dagmar | If you'd been pulling that and gotten killed nine times, they'd have laughed at you |
| 07:21.15 | Amarande | I'm beginning to suspect that Wednesday and Thursday nights are not good nights to try to get in |
| 07:21.19 | DWSR | I agree with Dagmar. |
| 07:21.25 | Amarande | There seem to be hardly any raids forming, mainly |
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| 07:21.39 | Jerub | we one shotted. |
| 07:21.42 | Dagmar | Amarande: Monday nights are really good tho |
| 07:21.42 | Amarande | (probably the people who can be on late night in the mid-week already got saved on Tuesday?) |
| 07:21.49 | Jerub | but i was lowest on the charts and i was freaking out. |
| 07:21.53 | Dagmar | Tuesday resets things |
| 07:22.13 | Dagmar | So, monday evening before the downtime, you'll see people doing Ulduar pugs |
| 07:22.16 | Amarande | One of my VOA trips was on a Sunday, the other on a Tuesday |
| 07:22.29 | Amarande | this week I'm not having much luck though |
| 07:22.41 | Dagmar | On my server if you can handle yourself throughout taking Wintergrasp, you just holler out you're interested |
| 07:22.47 | Amarande | either groups just aren't forming (and I'm not sure I really feel patient enough to form a 10's or 25's on my own ... 5's yeah, but not 10 or 25) |
| 07:22.54 | Amarande | or fucking ally has WG |
| 07:23.01 | Jerub | far out. |
| 07:23.04 | Dagmar | We *like* that place. |
| 07:23.14 | Amarande | or we have WG, but there isn't enough time left to do a VOA run before next WG |
| 07:23.16 | Jerub | I can't pug while we have WG on friday or saturday because there's 4-5 VOA10/25 groups |
| 07:23.25 | Jerub | so all the puggers are in VOA |
| 07:23.34 | Jerub | Amarande: move to my goddamn server. |
| 07:23.56 | Amarande | speaking of which, I'm still wondering how cross-server LFG will work for VOA, when they apply it to raids later on |
| 07:23.58 | Dagmar | Are you on a really low pop server or what> |
| 07:24.04 | Amarande | Dagmar: think Turalyon is solid Medium |
| 07:24.30 | Dagmar | I don't know what Skywall is, but it seems a lot more relaxed |
| 07:24.50 | Amarande | basically, I'm wondering how they're going to make VOA a cross-server instance when *not only* does entry depend on having WG |
| 07:25.00 | Amarande | but also, the bosses are supposed to lock out if you lose WG while inside it, from what I'm told |
| 07:25.04 | DWSR | Amarande: Make WG cross server? |
| 07:25.13 | DWSR | Amarande: The bosses lock out 15 minutes before the start of WG. |
| 07:25.23 | Amarande | DWSR: Dear god no cross-server WG. |
| 07:25.28 | DWSR | Indeed |
| 07:25.45 | Amarande | Then there's always one really powerful PvP server that determines the entire thing |
| 07:25.52 | Amarande | and WG would probably belong to one faction almost all the time |
| 07:26.06 | Amarande | which brings back terrible memories of GW and "EUROPE HAS THE FAVOR OF THE GODS, SO SUCK IT USA-IANS" |
| 07:26.13 | Fisker- | unless you suck or the balance really is that screwed |
| 07:26.26 | Amarande | btw, how will they handle WG/VOA when Cata is out? |
| 07:26.36 | Fisker- | probably won't change |
| 07:26.38 | Amarande | like ... when entire reset periods go without anyone going to WG after a while probably |
| 07:26.40 | Amarande | who gets it? |
| 07:26.54 | Fisker- | the one who had it previously |
| 07:26.57 | Amarande | unless there will probably always be VOA activity |
| 07:27.00 | Fisker- | since they defend |
| 07:27.13 | Amarande | if nothing else, people doing it for shards for the heirloom honor tokens |
| 07:27.34 | Fisker- | They should just make the next pvp zone independant of the whole instance/vendor/etc. concept |
| 07:27.47 | Fisker- | make it change on a 3 hour timer, and let pvp be pvp |
| 07:27.53 | Amarande | I wonder what the new BG in cata will be |
| 07:27.58 | Amarande | maybe they'll finally add in the azshara one? |
| 07:28.06 | Fisker- | nope |
| 07:28.17 | Fisker- | the place where there was supposed to be a bg is a quarry now |
| 07:28.17 | Amarande | or do we have to wait for level 90 for that one :) |
| 07:28.25 | Amarande | ah, they finally canned it, then |
| 07:28.56 | Amarande | also: am I going to be one of an increasingly rare number of people on the server who will be sought after heavily for BRD runs due to my ability to open the Grim Guzzler back door without a big fight? :) |
| 07:29.13 | Amarande | (since you can't do the love potion quest anymore with new azshara I presume) |
| 07:29.29 | Dagmar | You can just run in once you have the key |
| 07:29.43 | Fisker- | Quests will likely be adjusted |
| 07:29.46 | Dagmar | From boots on the ground at the nearest flight point, anyone can make it to the bar in under 8 minutes |
| 07:29.47 | Amarande | Dagmar: the grim guzzler key is permanent? |
| 07:29.51 | Fisker- | and you can still just fight your way through it |
| 07:29.57 | Amarande | I thought only the shadowforge key was |
| 07:30.10 | Amarande | Fisker: it's pretty useful when running people as a squishy though |
| 07:30.14 | Dagmar | The shadowforge key is permanent, and the backdoor key is permanent, but it's *not* hard to get that door open |
| 07:30.27 | Amarande | the tavern is easily the most dangerous part of the instance for a squishy runner |
| 07:30.31 | Dagmar | Heck, bring someone who is actually 60 in and mobs will rush in through it to kill them |
| 07:30.38 | Fisker- | infact you get extra loot by doing so, so i find the key pretty useless :P |
| 07:31.01 | Amarande | and I'm pretty aware of how sadly limited warlocks are at running. |
| 07:31.04 | Amarande | I should level my druid more. |
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| 07:31.27 | Amarande | Let's just say that the other night I tried to run a friend through Durnholde and BM so he could do the elixir mastery quest |
| 07:31.32 | Amarande | (which really needs an adjustment. :P) |
| 07:31.53 | Amarande | I just *barely* managed to get him through Durnholde, and BM we gave up after like 2 portals |
| 07:32.03 | Amarande | this is with a not-too-shabby geared destro lock. |
| 07:32.10 | Amarande | I need something more tankly, apparently. :S |
| 07:32.49 | Fisker- | do transmute mastery instead |
| 07:32.56 | Fisker- | that's only like 400g on ah |
| 07:33.25 | Amarande | yeah, I'm getting the feeling that all alchemists pretty much will have to do the transmute mastery and switch over before long |
| 07:33.46 | Amarande | except for ones that are classes buff enough to solo 70 instances at 80 |
| 07:33.58 | Amarande | but elixir will still be much worse than potion |
| 07:34.11 | Amarande | (can we pretty please have the BM attunement removed, so getting help for BM isn't impossible?) |
| 07:34.38 | Amarande | I mean really, it's like what, the only instance in the game now that still has an absolute attunement requirement? |
| 07:34.47 | Fisker- | probably in patch 4.2 |
| 07:35.12 | Amarande | and one of the only three with an attunement requirement still worth doing |
| 07:35.26 | Amarande | (the others being BWL and MC, simply because they have stupidly long treks to get into otherwise) |
| 07:36.09 | Amarande | I know the MC trek especially well since it's basically what you have to do to smelt dark iron |
| 07:36.14 | Amarande | although on the good side I have the remote now |
| 07:36.44 | Fisker- | eternal quintessence was stupid btw |
| 07:36.51 | Fisker- | 2 hours cooldown :/ |
| 07:37.01 | Amarande | that reminds me, next brewfest if a remote drops I should ask the group who's a miner and suggest they get priority |
| 07:37.34 | Amarande | (I have one myself now, so it's not like it's selfish on my part to make that suggestion next year ...) |
| 07:37.58 | Amarande | just because miners get more potential use of the remote than any other people |
| 07:38.05 | Fisker- | i got 2 |
| 07:38.05 | DWSR | Fisker: Yeah. |
| 07:38.23 | Amarande | well, BS and Engineer might apply the same. |
| 07:38.39 | Amarande | except people don't like to master loot in 5's, so that might not work out. :S |
| 07:39.00 | Amarande | particularly, I would need to have encountered and won both Brewfest mounts, I think, before I would expect people to trust me to master loot Coren. |
| 07:39.20 | Fisker- | i got all 3 brewfest mounts :3 |
| 07:39.25 | Amarande | (even though ninja'ing is something I would just plain never do. :P) |
| 07:39.28 | Amarande | what's the third, Fisker? |
| 07:39.32 | Amarande | there's the ram, kodo and what? |
| 07:39.45 | Amarande | I thought the elekk was a pet, not a mount |
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| 07:40.00 | kromar | hi, is this the irc from wowui.incgamers.com? |
| 07:40.04 | DWSR | kromar: Yes. |
| 07:40.23 | Fisker- | nowai DWSR |
| 07:40.29 | Fisker- | Amarande the level 40 ram |
| 07:40.32 | Fisker- | or level 20 now i guess |
| 07:40.32 | Amarande | but yeah, I do firmly believe that the remote should go priority to Miners, followed by Blacksmiths and Engineers. |
| 07:40.34 | DWSR | inorite? |
| 07:40.37 | kromar | ok how can i get on the page? i always get relinked to the operation flashpoint advert.... this is really annoying |
| 07:40.45 | Amarande | i.e., anyone who's a profession that can use the Black Anvil or Black Forge |
| 07:41.23 | Amarande | (again, not being selfish at all, this actually didn't even occur to me till well after I'd won mine) |
| 07:41.46 | Amarande | After all, there's a limited number of quests in BRD, and Brewfest only comes once a year, but the Anvil and Forge are useful always |
| 07:42.30 | Amarande | at least, in the limited "for 50-55 or so alts" usefulness that dark iron gear is now. |
| 07:42.32 | kromar | why do i always get redirected here http://89.107.69.67/www/images/incprestitial/opflash/interstitial.php?next=aHR0cDovL3dvd3VpLmluY2dhbWVycy5jb20v again after skiping the advert? |
| 07:42.44 | Fisker- | because incgamers always suck |
| 07:42.46 | Amarande | kromar: delete your cookies? |
| 07:42.51 | DWSR | incgamers blows? |
| 07:43.13 | Fisker- | or just spam the "skip this advert" a lot of times |
| 07:43.16 | Fisker- | then it usually works |
| 07:44.10 | kromar | coockie deleteion doesent work, and spaming the skip doesnt work either... |
| 07:44.14 | Amarande | anyway, gear decision question. |
| 07:44.26 | Amarande | On a Marksmanship hunter, is it better to gem/enchant for agility, or just straight AP? |
| 07:44.33 | Fisker- | well then this is an excellent opportunity to use a site that doesn't suck kromar |
| 07:45.10 | kromar | i only had good expirience so far with this site... first time something like this happnes |
| 07:45.15 | Amarande | (at higher levels at least, since right now I apparently can only use agility enchants as AP ones all seem to need higher level than my hunter is. LOL) |
| 07:45.27 | kromar | so no more addon updates on this site... |
| 07:45.36 | kromar | thanks for the help |
| 07:45.39 | Fisker- | np |
| 07:46.27 | DWSR | kromar: I can get to wowui.incgamers.com just fine |
| 07:47.01 | Fisker- | probably a browser thing then |
| 07:47.11 | kromar | i have an othe question, i had several projects on curse and havent updated them for 6 month or so and now i cant find them anymore. do they delete projects that arent updated for a specific time? |
| 07:47.13 | Fisker- | usually does the same to me when i have to visit their site :/ |
| 07:47.42 | DWSR | kromar: Yes. |
| 07:47.59 | Fisker- | doesn't some of them get put to www.curseforge.com ? |
| 07:48.09 | DWSR | Fisker: all the new ones do. |
| 07:48.20 | DWSR | I believe. |
| 07:48.29 | kromar | well i managed them on the forge page but cant find them there either... |
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| 07:55.30 | Fisker- | Well kromar you're probably better off asking in #wowace they deal exclusively with curseforge, wowace, etc. |
| 07:58.55 | Arrowmaster | kromar: yes projects get marked as inactive and abandoned after a period of time and are removed from curse.com |
| 07:59.58 | Fisker- | straps Arrowmaster to the bed |
| 08:00.06 | kromar | ok thanks all |
| 08:00.17 | Arrowmaster | tazes Fisker- in the butthole |
| 08:00.28 | Fisker- | throws Arrowmaster on the ground |
| 08:01.40 | Fisker- | HA |
| 08:01.42 | Fisker- | HAHA |
| 08:01.44 | Fisker- | HAHAHHAHA |
| 08:01.52 | Fisker- | They are so fuuuuuuuuunny |
| 08:02.09 | Fisker- | So instead of calling some Expert who rated sextoys and Expert |
| 08:02.11 | *** join/#wowuidev stolen|school (n=stolenle@193.170.222.163) |
| 08:02.13 | Fisker- | They called them SEXperts |
| 08:02.17 | Fisker- | See what they did there? |
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| 08:03.49 | Fisker- | It appear that this channel doesn't appreciate subtle humor |
| 08:03.50 | Fisker- | :( |
| 08:03.55 | Fisker- | appears* |
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| 08:12.11 | industrial | http://www.b12partners.net/mt/images/doonesbury_ID_060702.gif |
| 08:14.15 | Corrodias | i could tell you about my colon problem that i'm seeing a doctor about tomorrow |
| 08:14.18 | Corrodias | i bet you want to hear all about that |
| 08:15.34 | Corrodias | here's hoping it's not cancer or something! :V |
| 08:16.05 | Amarande | gah, one of these silverpine quests needs a nerf. |
| 08:16.13 | Corrodias | just in case, you know, i gave the impression that that's what i want it to be |
| 08:16.20 | Amarande | especially since I hate to think what it must be like to do it at level 14 like it's supposed to be ... |
| 08:16.31 | Amarande | [14] The Dead Fields, specifically |
| 08:16.56 | Corrodias | if i think of quests that stood out for their difficulty... the big one is the one where you play king of the hill against a bunch of furbolgs |
| 08:17.03 | Amarande | oh, it's not that that one is that *hard* |
| 08:17.19 | Amarande | it's just that basically, well, the idea is this. you kill a bunch of undead gnolls till their banshee boss shows up to help them |
| 08:17.21 | Amarande | however |
| 08:17.24 | Amarande | you start killing gnolls. |
| 08:17.27 | Amarande | and then you kill some more gnolls. |
| 08:17.31 | Amarande | and then you kill EVEN MORE GNOLLS. |
| 08:17.33 | Corrodias | i remember my druid barely making it, and my hunter and warlock just skipping it until later |
| 08:18.11 | Amarande | and eventually, you start thinking that it's more likely that a beautiful voluptuous woman is going to show up in silverpine and ask you to marry her than for the quest mob to show up. |
| 08:18.13 | Amarande | heh. |
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| 08:18.49 | Amarande | in other words, what I'm saying is in need of a nerf is the number of gnolls you need to kill to get the quest mob to appear? :) |
| 08:19.05 | Fisker- | blargh i'm dead |
| 08:19.38 | Corrodias | how about that one where you kill 3 million yetis or owlbears or something trying to get a rod |
| 08:19.51 | Corrodias | redridge, i think |
| 08:20.05 | Corrodias | no... i don't remember the zone names |
| 08:20.39 | Amarande | Corrodias: hillsbrad |
| 08:20.55 | Amarande | fisker, did you afk somewhere unsafe again to work on something :) |
| 08:23.53 | Corrodias | damn you hillsbrad |
| 08:24.09 | Corrodias | the quests consist of "run over there, kill stuff then come back. next quest, do it more. and again. and again. and again." |
| 08:24.13 | Fisker- | naw |
| 08:24.17 | Fisker- | i'm just dead |
| 08:24.26 | Corrodias | and/or arathi highlands, same deal |
| 08:24.27 | Fisker- | atleast tired wise |
| 08:24.27 | Fisker- | :o |
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| 08:25.10 | Amarande | Corrodias: Hillsbrad theme song then: "You go back, Jack, do it again?" :) |
| 08:25.45 | Amarande | heh, that's a neat idea. come up with a WoW soundtrack from modern music, one song for each zone |
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| 08:29.02 | Kalroth | "Eric Idle - Always Look on the Bright Side of Life" for Undercity |
| 08:29.36 | Kalroth | "Tom Jones - Green Green Grass of Home" for Mulgore |
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| 08:52.47 | Amarande | hmm, am I thinking noobishly or astutely to think that a starting tank at this point in particular might want to go the resilience route rather than the defense route to get their uncrittability? |
| 08:53.10 | DWSR | noobishly. |
| 08:53.15 | DWSR | resilience doesn't work against mobs. |
| 08:53.36 | Corrodias | oh, did they change that? or was everyone misled in BC? |
| 08:53.46 | DWSR | Believe they changed it. |
| 08:54.04 | Corrodias | damn, it was actually a viable concept for druids then |
| 08:54.35 | Fisker- | faps to pictures of Corrodias |
| 08:54.47 | DWSR | Corrodias: Druids now have SotF. |
| 08:54.48 | Corrodias | still... my new chair and monitors are awesome, so i guess i can put up with knowing they changed something in WoW |
| 08:54.54 | Corrodias | what's that? |
| 08:54.57 | Amarande | DWSR: Two aspects of resilience do work on mobs still, if wowwiki is current |
| 08:55.00 | DWSR | Corrodias: I don't think it's ever worked against boss level mobs. |
| 08:55.17 | olafski | resilience does work against mobs oO |
| 08:55.27 | Amarande | It doesn't reduce mana drains or normal damage |
| 08:55.35 | Amarande | but according to wowwiki, it still reduces crit chance and crit damage |
| 08:55.39 | DWSR | olafski: Does it do anything against mobs? |
| 08:55.47 | Amarande | the important thing here being reducing crit chance, since 460 resil should leave you uncrittable |
| 08:55.51 | DWSR | Because that would be retardedly OP if it did. |
| 08:55.56 | Corrodias | everyone believed it was effective against mobs up until 2.4 when i quit |
| 08:56.05 | DWSR | Because 460 OP is like a trinket and 3 pieces of Deadly. |
| 08:56.05 | olafski | dwsr: let me see if I can find where this is said |
| 08:56.18 | olafski | sure but defense also increases chance to block, dodge, parry and miss |
| 08:56.21 | DWSR | Amarande: Some of the best druid tanking gear is feral PvP gear. |
| 08:56.22 | Corrodias | what does defense increase? a lot of stuff |
| 08:56.32 | Amarande | DWSR: if it does, it also means that tanks need not abandon all hope of tanking until they've farmed tons of badges |
| 08:56.34 | DWSR | Corrodias: Avoidance. |
| 08:56.41 | DWSR | Amarande: Yes they should. |
| 08:56.46 | DWSR | Even if you're dcapped, your avoidance will suck |
| 08:56.50 | DWSR | You're just a soak tank. |
| 08:56.51 | olafski | http://www.wowwiki.com/Defense_rating says "Critical Hit immunity for a level 80 player against a raid boss can also be achieved by a Resilience of 5.6% and requires a resilience rating of 460 to achieve. " |
| 08:56.54 | Corrodias | so defense is generally better, except druids only get half as much from defense as other classes, so it makes sense that resilience if a more viable option for them in some cases. |
| 08:57.17 | Corrodias | myself, i'd just recommend using a mix of the two >_> |
| 08:57.23 | Amarande | The main reason I thought it might be a good stopgap for beginner tanks is simple though |
| 08:57.37 | Amarande | because not only is it a lot easier to in the beginning stack 460 resil than 540 def, as far as I can tell |
| 08:57.52 | Amarande | but resil gear also tends to come stacked with stupid amounts of stamina, which helps you meet the ridiculous HP amounts groups demand for tanks now |
| 08:58.01 | Corrodias | true |
| 08:58.05 | DWSR | 1419 is the soft cap for resilience. |
| 08:58.07 | DWSR | Jesus. |
| 08:58.20 | DWSR | The sad part is that with full Furious and no resilience gems you're almost ther. |
| 08:58.23 | DWSR | there* |
| 08:58.24 | Amarande | I'd say get 460 resil and try to fill in as much def as possible on what's left, for a beginner tank set, I suppose |
| 08:58.37 | Amarande | you'll gear into full def uncrittability eventually |
| 08:58.41 | olafski | with full crafted lvl 78 blue you're almost there either ;) |
| 08:59.06 | Amarande | and probably be a lot less frustrated than if you have to find DPS group spots for weeks and weeks of chain heroics till you never want to see another bloody heroic again |
| 08:59.22 | DWSR | Amarande: If you have all the crafted tanking stuff, you should be pretty close. |
| 08:59.30 | DWSR | lol |
| 08:59.34 | Amarande | of course, I still need to level my warrior. heh |
| 08:59.41 | DWSR | I just realised that I'm uncritable in my PvP gear in heroics. |
| 08:59.45 | DWSR | That's fucking lulzy. |
| 09:00.13 | Corrodias | tanking: awesome. |
| 09:00.41 | Amarande | I wonder if it's going to be a lot easier to rating up at 85 than at 70 or 80 |
| 09:00.57 | DWSR | d capped warlock tank LFG H daily. PST. |
| 09:00.59 | Amarande | or if they're going to massively ramp up the rating-per-% requirements from 81-85 |
| 09:01.28 | Amarande | (for the ratings that are still LEFT anyway, which I think pretty much means what, hit crit and haste in cata?) |
| 09:01.38 | DWSR | no hit rating. |
| 09:01.43 | Amarande | hit's gone too? |
| 09:01.45 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 09:01.53 | olafski | http://www.wowhead.com/?compare=40669:41114:41116:40673:40675:40671:40672:40674 <-- 410 def rating from just crafted blues |
| 09:02.18 | DWSR | Haste and crit and resilence are going to be the only ratings left, I think. |
| 09:02.18 | olafski | then you only need 279 from weapon, shield, amulet, rings, trinkets and ranged |
| 09:02.24 | Amarande | so are DPS characters either going to miss a lot, or are they going to be compelled to sink ungodly amounts of points into just "increases your chance to hit by X%" talents? |
| 09:02.49 | DWSR | Amarande: Neither. |
| 09:02.57 | olafski | hit and exp were going to be replaced by "mastery" or something? |
| 09:03.00 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 09:03.16 | DWSR | Basically, just for sinking talent points into a tree, you will gain the requist ratings. |
| 09:03.28 | DWSR | And pure DPS classes will pretty much not be able to miss. |
| 09:04.00 | Amarande | ahh, that's gonna be pure win. :) |
| 09:04.16 | Amarande | no more sticking with shitty items far longer than one should simply because you need the hit rating :) |
| 09:04.26 | DWSR | Amarande: Doing that lowers your DPS anyway. |
| 09:04.31 | DWSR | tbh, I like the current complexity. |
| 09:04.37 | DWSR | Just like I liked Affliction locks pre 3.1 |
| 09:04.50 | Amarande | actually, I thought Affliction was a bit more fun for the short time I played it in 3.2 than previously |
| 09:04.53 | DWSR | It means the game has something to seperate the skilled from the bads. |
| 09:04.58 | DWSR | Amarande: =\ |
| 09:04.58 | olafski | I'm way overcapped on hit :( |
| 09:05.01 | Amarande | but I still discarded it for Destro because Destro just did way more DPS |
| 09:05.04 | DWSR | The complexity was the fun part. |
| 09:05.06 | olafski | well not anymore now that I went the DW path instead of 2h |
| 09:05.09 | DWSR | I mean, 7 dots to manage? |
| 09:05.11 | Amarande | DWSR: it was nice to actually be able to throw in shadow bolts every now and then |
| 09:05.11 | DWSR | Yes please. |
| 09:05.17 | DWSR | Not really, I didn't care. |
| 09:05.23 | DWSR | Since most fights required movement. |
| 09:05.33 | DWSR | And, except for Haunt and UA, you can keep up most of your dots on the move. |
| 09:05.34 | Amarande | with all the dots before, hell, half the time you couldn't even throw your INSTANT shadow bolt because it was about time to refresh the whole slew of dots |
| 09:06.04 | DWSR | Amarande: The Instant Shadbow Bolts had decent DPCT, you should have thrown them then refreshed the dots. |
| 09:06.10 | DWSR | Amarande: I was also rocking like...500 haste. |
| 09:06.18 | DWSR | Which probably made everything just so much easier. |
| 09:06.18 | Amarande | yeah, my haste rating is still a chronic weak point |
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| 09:06.25 | DWSR | Yeah, I have like 344 atm. |
| 09:06.31 | DWSR | I should really have like 450-500 |
| 09:06.42 | Amarande | 285 :| |
| 09:06.49 | DWSR | What's your crit rating? |
| 09:07.09 | Amarande | Crit rating 442 (19.41%) |
| 09:07.11 | Amarande | It seems to fluctuate a bit |
| 09:07.23 | Amarande | I think having my imp out might improve it, and right now I'm mounted so I'm not seeing with-pet stats |
| 09:07.54 | DWSR | No, it doesn't. |
| 09:07.59 | DWSR | Your imp has Emp. Imp. though |
| 09:08.09 | DWSR | Which gives you an uncalculated crit rating boost. |
| 09:08.20 | DWSR | http://www.wowhead.com/?profile=14829042 <--- That's what my gear is. |
| 09:08.22 | Amarande | also: this isn't counting all the craploads of extra crit most spells get due to talents when you're destro |
| 09:08.28 | DWSR | At least when I have an spriest/boomkin in the raid. |
| 09:08.39 | DWSR | My base crit percentage is almost 30%. |
| 09:08.41 | Amarande | I gear 368 hit rating and assume there will be an spriest or boomkin in raid. |
| 09:08.46 | DWSR | 386? |
| 09:08.49 | Amarande | 368. |
| 09:09.00 | Amarande | 14.03%, I think that comes to |
| 09:09.00 | DWSR | heh |
| 09:09.04 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 09:09.14 | Amarande | the general rule I've read on sites is that you do not gear that extra 78 hit |
| 09:09.32 | DWSR | lol |
| 09:09.34 | Amarande | if a raid is not providing that 3% then the raid composition is bad |
| 09:09.36 | DWSR | I never have an optimal raid comp. |
| 09:09.38 | DWSR | So I always do |
| 09:09.45 | Amarande | and it costs too much DPS to squeeze in 78 more hit apparently |
| 09:09.51 | DWSR | Yes and no. |
| 09:09.54 | Amarande | especially when that 78 hit does nothing most of the time |
| 09:10.03 | DWSR | Meh, I just swap gear. |
| 09:10.15 | DWSR | I swap my robe out for the T8.5 robe and it works fine. |
| 09:10.18 | Amarande | because most of the time you're either in heroics (in which case you are WAY UBER OVERCAPPED and actually do less DPS than you could optimally -for heroics-) |
| 09:10.24 | Amarande | or you're in a proper raid and you're OK. |
| 09:10.38 | olafski | or you're in a 10man raid and can't get all the buffs |
| 09:10.43 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 09:10.57 | DWSR | I mean, if you want to absolutely rely on an optimal raid comp. |
| 09:11.03 | DWSR | You should be gearing for 13% hit. |
| 09:11.04 | Amarande | olafski: even there, spriest/boomkin is kinda expected. |
| 09:11.08 | DWSR | Since you're alliance. |
| 09:11.11 | DWSR | Amarande: Not really. =\ |
| 09:11.11 | olafski | be realistic amarande |
| 09:11.13 | Amarande | 14%, I'm Horde. :| |
| 09:11.17 | DWSR | ah. |
| 09:11.32 | olafski | I used to run a 10man guild, it's not easy to get "1 of each class" |
| 09:11.32 | DWSR | Yeah, I feel naked without 17% to hit, since Soulshatter doesn't get +hit from talents. |
| 09:11.42 | DWSR | olafski: Yes it is, just that they aren't neccessarily the spec you need. |
| 09:11.43 | olafski | considering most people want 25man raids it's hard to find people for a 10man guild at all :) |
| 09:11.54 | Amarande | and really, you could always nom some hit rating food and be close enough for government work |
| 09:12.04 | DWSR | Like, I run with lots of druids and priests, just none shadow/boom. |
| 09:12.15 | olafski | we had no priest at all |
| 09:12.21 | olafski | no mage either :) |
| 09:12.25 | olafski | fun times |
| 09:12.27 | DWSR | I really enjoy being grouped with unholy DKs though |
| 09:12.33 | DWSR | Ebon Plaguebringer? Yes please. |
| 09:12.38 | olafski | +) |
| 09:12.41 | Amarande | olafski: did you have monotonous tendencies for gear classed specifically for (class you were missing) to drop? |
| 09:12.53 | olafski | hm |
| 09:13.00 | olafski | we had that for rogues for a while |
| 09:13.01 | DWSR | Amarande: Don't even mention that crap. |
| 09:13.03 | olafski | rogue/feral |
| 09:13.09 | Amarande | DWSR: as for soulshatter not getting +hit from talents |
| 09:13.10 | olafski | but I don't believe in such things |
| 09:13.12 | Amarande | that's more an aff worry I think |
| 09:13.15 | Fisker- | I see scammers have become more polite |
| 09:13.20 | Fisker- | i got this in my junk folder: "Please refrain from clicking" |
| 09:13.22 | DWSR | Amarande: No it's not, with 50% crit rating. |
| 09:13.25 | Fisker- | Why thank you |
| 09:13.35 | Amarande | DWSR: the normal destro build eschews Suppression anyway |
| 09:13.35 | DWSR | Amarande: I have run 15 crits in a row at one point. |
| 09:13.40 | DWSR | Amarande: No it doesn't. |
| 09:13.46 | Amarande | DWSR: 0/13/58? |
| 09:13.46 | DWSR | 0/13/58 > 3/13/55 in terms of DPS in 3.2 |
| 09:14.38 | DWSR | In T10, somehow 3/13/55 beats 0/13/58 |
| 09:14.47 | DWSR | But I REALLY REALLY LIKE MY REPLENISHMENT |
| 09:14.48 | Amarande | In any case, it probably doesn't pay in the long run to gear for unusually bad streaks of luck :) |
| 09:14.57 | DWSR | Amarande: They're not unusual, though. |
| 09:15.16 | bleeter | obama wins peace nobel http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8298580.stm |
| 09:15.17 | DWSR | 3 or 4 good crits in a row, especially early in the fight, can mean 1 dead warlock. |
| 09:15.35 | DWSR | Like, bloodlust does bad things to my threat. |
| 09:15.48 | DWSR | I had an ele sham + boomer in my raid, we popped BL. |
| 09:15.53 | DWSR | And I popped a crit rating trinket. |
| 09:16.01 | Fisker- | i want to be free |
| 09:16.03 | DWSR | I have MSBT, so all crits come up in HUGE ASS numbers. |
| 09:16.09 | DWSR | I couldn't see my screen, really. |
| 09:16.10 | Amarande | ah, I still don't have a crit monkey trinket |
| 09:16.10 | DWSR | Just numbers. |
| 09:16.15 | Amarande | the only trinket I ever actually pop is my spellpower one |
| 09:16.22 | DWSR | Amarande: Haste is better, and so's spellpower. |
| 09:16.27 | Fisker- | oh snap bleeter |
| 09:16.29 | DWSR | No point in a crit rating trink, just what I had at the time. |
| 09:16.32 | Amarande | (the other does something useless like ... dodge rating or something I think, it's the red JC trinket) |
| 09:16.43 | Fisker- | can't wait to see the daily show's coverage of incoherent bullshit from fox then |
| 09:16.45 | Amarande | what did the ruby hare do again *checks* |
| 09:16.57 | Amarande | oh, six second speed boost |
| 09:17.00 | DWSR | anyway |
| 09:17.06 | Amarande | does that even apply to casting at all, or is that just movement speed? |
| 09:17.10 | DWSR | Just movement speed. |
| 09:17.17 | Amarande | ah yeah, explains why I never pop that one :) |
| 09:17.31 | DWSR | I mean, When you're haste capped with over 50% effective crit rating. |
| 09:17.32 | Amarande | I only bother with the twilight serpent's use effect |
| 09:17.40 | DWSR | Tanks need to be DAMNED good in order to stop you from dying. |
| 09:17.59 | DWSR | Because if you think you have threat problems NOW, wait until you hit T9-esque gear. |
| 09:18.05 | DWSR | It's all got fucking crit on it. |
| 09:18.18 | DWSR | btw, anyone here use Rawr? |
| 09:18.42 | DWSR | Because I want it to tell me what gear is an upgrade in each particular slot, but that's not really all that clear. |
| 09:19.55 | Fisker- | i want to be free |
| 09:20.15 | DWSR | Shaddup prostitute. |
| 09:23.04 | Fisker- | you just ordered a thousand liters of milk |
| 09:24.15 | Codayus | DWSR: Yes |
| 09:24.31 | DWSR | Codayus: Halp? |
| 09:25.10 | Codayus | Um, I dunno. What are you trying to find out, exactly? A list of upgrades for a particular slot? |
| 09:27.47 | DWSR | yes |
| 09:29.57 | Codayus | So you've imported your character, gone through and set all the buffs and so forth, you click on the leg slot icon, and you get a list of pants, sorted by how good they are? |
| 09:30.08 | DWSR | Yes. |
| 09:30.15 | Codayus | And the problem is? |
| 09:30.16 | DWSR | Wait, lemme confirm that last part. |
| 09:31.14 | Codayus | (Alternatively, in the comparison pane, you select slot - > gear -> legs. Either way, you should get a list of pants sorted - by default - by the overall score. |
| 09:32.14 | DWSR | ok |
| 09:32.24 | DWSR | Codayus: I go Right Click->Evalute Upgrade. |
| 09:32.52 | DWSR | I get a popup about not selecting the following: "Neck Item, Shoulder Item" etc. |
| 09:32.58 | DWSR | Just hit ok? |
| 09:33.13 | Codayus | Mmmm. |
| 09:33.19 | DWSR | The upgrade list I get is empty. |
| 09:33.36 | Codayus | If all you want is a list of possible upgrades for a slot, you want to left clik, not right. |
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| 09:34.53 | Codayus | I've never really figured out the evaluate upgrade feature, honestly. >.> |
| 09:35.41 | Wobin | Cairenn, http://ursulav.deviantart.com/art/Hula-Donkey-139646772 http://ursulav.deviantart.com/art/Donkey-with-Coffee-139595166 |
| 09:35.49 | Cairenn | lol |
| 09:35.51 | Cairenn | cute |
| 09:35.58 | DWSR | The left click list is not in order of what's best. |
| 09:37.13 | Codayus | DWSR: Hm. By default it should be, I think. If you left click, at the top there's a dropdown meny called Sort. It should be set to overall. |
| 09:37.51 | Codayus | (The comparisons pane on the right works the same way, and also has a sort dropdown menu.) |
| 09:38.00 | Fisker- | tickles Cairenn |
| 09:38.07 | Cairenn | giggles |
| 09:38.30 | DWSR | Codayus: The overall sort has things from TotC10 listed as ABOVE things from ToGC10. |
| 09:38.34 | DWSR | There is no way in hell that's right. |
| 09:39.10 | Codayus | Heh |
| 09:39.14 | Codayus | Probably not, no. |
| 09:39.40 | Codayus | It shows a bar graph for each item. |
| 09:39.48 | Codayus | Do the items at the top have a longer bar? |
| 09:40.02 | DWSR | I know which pane you're talking about. |
| 09:40.04 | DWSR | But there's no bars. |
| 09:40.38 | Codayus | Ah, that would imply it's giving everything a score of 0. If it does that, then it sorts pretty randomly. |
| 09:40.44 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 09:40.53 | DWSR | What I want to know is how to fix |
| 09:40.55 | Codayus | Armory link? |
| 09:41.00 | DWSR | In my PvP gear. |
| 09:41.08 | DWSR | Sec, I can give you a WoWhead link. |
| 09:41.15 | DWSR | Or, can I just give you my .xml? |
| 09:41.19 | Codayus | Sure |
| 09:41.27 | Codayus | That would be best. :) |
| 09:42.15 | DWSR | http://pastebin.com/d50126ed9 |
| 09:47.50 | Codayus | Hm, having trouble opening it. |
| 09:47.50 | Codayus | What version of Rawr are you using? |
| 09:48.11 | DWSR | 2.2.21 |
| 09:48.49 | Codayus | Hmm |
| 09:49.12 | DWSR | Rawr should really come with the epic gemmings enabled by default. =\ |
| 09:49.26 | Codayus | Same, but... "There was an error attempting to open this character. Most likely, it was saved with a previous version of Rawr." Bleh. |
| 09:50.31 | DWSR | Would you mind just building my char and trying it out? |
| 09:50.40 | Codayus | Sure |
| 09:50.56 | DWSR | http://www.wowhead.com/?profile=14828756 |
| 09:51.36 | Wobin | huh Obama for the NPP |
| 09:53.13 | Kalroth | yeah |
| 09:54.08 | Kalroth | The rest of the world is trying to show how much we appriciate US not having a president with the foreign policy of "fuck 'em, drop a nuke" |
| 09:54.56 | Wobin | I don't think Obama is as appreciated -inside- of the US |
| 09:56.25 | Codayus | DWSR: Mmm, looks fine here? |
| 09:56.29 | DWSR | wtf. |
| 09:56.35 | Kalroth | Wobin: Well you can't expect Americans to be sane after 8 years of Bush |
| 09:56.47 | DWSR | Codayus: alright, thanks. |
| 09:56.51 | DWSR | regets Rawr. |
| 09:57.25 | Codayus | DWSR: Gear in both the left click menu and in the comparison pane has a red DPS score bar, and is sorted based on the bar, such that, say, ToGC loot beats ToC loot. |
| 09:57.37 | DWSR | ffs. |
| 09:57.46 | DWSR | Codayus: You're using 2.2.21 you say? |
| 09:57.51 | Codayus | Yeah |
| 09:59.11 | DWSR | hrmph. |
| 09:59.11 | Codayus | And completely default options under options. |
| 09:59.15 | DWSR | Ok. |
| 09:59.58 | Codayus | (The only time I've seen Rawr do that it looking at offhand weapons when you have a staff equipped. Rawr gives them all a score of 0, and sorts them randomly, which is...sort of correct behaviour, since if you have a staff you can't EQUIP one, but kind of confusing. |
| 10:04.05 | tem | no offense to the nobel whoevers that decide that shit, but like |
| 10:04.10 | tem | Obama hasn't done shit yet |
| 10:04.20 | tem | it's a little early to break out the peace prize |
| 10:04.46 | tem | give him a couple years to actually do something |
| 10:05.09 | tem | so far he's just failed to pass every single peice of legislation he promised |
| 10:05.23 | tem | and been a fucking pussy in foreign policy |
| 10:05.42 | tem | "Oh I'm sorry Iran. Yes, of course we believe your election wasn't rigged" |
| 10:05.56 | tem | "Here have some plutonium for your 'power plants.'" |
| 10:06.12 | tem | gag me with a goddamn spoon |
| 10:06.57 | tem | this is almost as bad as giving the prize to al gore |
| 10:07.08 | tem | at least obama might deserve it eventually |
| 10:09.31 | Codayus | Mmm, that was my first thought. |
| 10:09.35 | DWSR | Codayus: Seems to be working now. =\ |
| 10:09.39 | DWSR | Codayus: Thanks though. :) |
| 10:09.43 | Codayus | DWSR: Heh |
| 10:11.39 | ZorbaBeta | anyone know where that excellent list of new ToC raid gear was? |
| 10:12.00 | ZorbaBeta | there was some page that had it all divided up by type, and neatly categorized by what it was used for, and I cannot find it |
| 10:12.43 | ZorbaBeta | aha, mmo-champion |
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| 10:14.13 | tem | fucking this |
| 10:14.18 | tem | s/this/shit/ |
| 10:14.29 | tem | I was about to go to bed |
| 10:14.32 | tem | now I'm too pissed of |
| 10:14.33 | tem | f |
| 10:15.41 | Codayus | tem: Some of the people favoured to win the prize this year seemed pretty diserving. But apparently the committee really really liked his speech on nuclear disarmament at the UN last month. |
| 10:16.21 | tem | great so giving speaches and failing to follow through on them is all it takes to win a nobel prize these days |
| 10:16.36 | Codayus | To be fair, the peace prize has a long tradition of going to absolutely bloody *terrible* picks. I don't think we'll ever topp Kissinger |
| 10:17.07 | tem | how about Gandhi never winning it? |
| 10:17.21 | tem | after being nominated something like 3 times |
| 10:17.29 | Corrodias | he wasn't black enough |
| 10:20.34 | Amarande | heh, speaking of the word 'shit' |
| 10:20.50 | Amarande | I wonder if anyone's ever gotten a GM warning by getting drunk and trying to say 'sit' in a public channel like /2 with unfortunate luck |
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| 10:21.11 | smcn | it's filtered |
| 10:21.14 | smcn | meaning |
| 10:21.16 | smcn | it won't say shit |
| 10:21.18 | smcn | :P |
| 10:21.28 | tem | I cannot put my face into my palm hard enough, Amarande |
| 10:21.37 | Codayus | The filter can be turned off, and I believe you can get a warning for saying filtered words precisely because of that. |
| 10:21.55 | smcn | Codayus i mean in terms of the game turning "sit" into "shit", it just won't do it |
| 10:22.00 | Codayus | Ah |
| 10:22.33 | Codayus | Surprisingly sensible. |
| 10:22.39 | Codayus | Wonder if any other words are... |
| 10:24.42 | DWSR | You cannot get warned for swearing in /2 |
| 10:25.46 | ZorbaBeta | I wish you could get warned for spouting tired cliches in /2 :P |
| 10:29.26 | DWSR | lol |
| 10:29.27 | DWSR | I don't. |
| 10:29.29 | DWSR | It's fun\ |
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| 10:32.05 | Amarande | Zorba: as I mentioned earlier, you have to understand that a large number of people in /2 are in desperate need of entertainment |
| 10:32.14 | Amarande | due, chiefly, to the reasons why one might be in a city for an extended length of time |
| 10:32.51 | Amarande | especially the people sitting in town for ages and ages with a group of four waiting to go to an instance that's missing a tank or healer and taking forever to find it |
| 10:33.04 | Amarande | and the people grinding tradeskills and having nothing else to do but watch the quartz bar count down from several minutes |
| 10:33.41 | Amarande | now, 3.3 might help the former |
| 10:33.52 | Amarande | but I'm sure there will be plenty of people standing around bored in town waiting for a mass craft batch to complete :) |
| 10:35.59 | DWSR | ugh |
| 10:36.10 | DWSR | Windows is bitching about a missing driver in order to install. |
| 10:36.25 | DWSR | It's missing a CD/DVD drive driver.....but it's being run from a fucking DVD. |
| 10:37.37 | Amarande | DWSR: this happens occasionally with OS installs in general and always seems extremely odd to me too |
| 10:37.55 | ZorbaBeta | oh yeah, I constantly entertain myself in /2 |
| 10:38.04 | ZorbaBeta | but I do it in more interesting ways than Anal [Rampage] |
| 10:38.45 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: But sometimes there's nothing more statisfying than the heat from a flame war. :) |
| 10:38.48 | ZorbaBeta | honestly it bugs me even more that people are just not entertaining with their anal jokes, they could at least be imaginative :( |
| 10:38.59 | ZorbaBeta | flamewars are awesome compared to chuck norris jokes :P |
| 10:40.48 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: Anal linkspam is the best way to get a flame war going. |
| 10:40.53 | DWSR | It's like gasoline for the fire of /2\ |
| 10:41.23 | ZorbaBeta | on my server all it does is get people to tell you to stop, and then people don't stop. it's not really a flame war, it's just an old tired argument |
| 10:41.48 | DWSR | aww |
| 10:41.53 | DWSR | On my server people RAGE. |
| 10:43.36 | Cide | s/on my server// |
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| 10:59.11 | Shirik | strange change |
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| 11:17.47 | olafski | if you die by falling off netherstorm do you have to spirit rez? :( |
| 11:17.54 | DWSR | yes |
| 11:18.00 | DWSR | It's a stupid tax. |
| 11:18.08 | Amarande | well thank you Kirtonos the Herald, for teaching me something very useful for quickly exiting SFK :) |
| 11:18.24 | DWSR | Amarande: Jump off the wall? |
| 11:18.48 | olafski | bleh that sucks |
| 11:18.53 | Amarande | DWSR: Yeah. :) |
| 11:18.56 | DWSR | Amarande: =\ |
| 11:19.03 | olafski | unfair that _ground based mobs_ can walk somewhere but if I go there I will fall off |
| 11:19.04 | Amarande | I figured it'd work after being kicked out of Scholomance by Kirtonos' knockback once :) |
| 11:19.14 | Amarande | Say, does that work with UK, too? |
| 11:19.21 | DWSR | No, Invisible wall. |
| 11:19.37 | olafski | you can get kicked out of scholomance that way? oO |
| 11:19.41 | DWSR | yes |
| 11:19.42 | olafski | I assume you end up in front of the instance |
| 11:19.45 | DWSR | No. |
| 11:19.56 | olafski | wut :o |
| 11:20.08 | DWSR | You zone into the world in the air. |
| 11:20.16 | DWSR | And then you die from fall damage. |
| 11:20.51 | olafski | haha |
| 11:20.53 | olafski | cool |
| 11:21.14 | DWSR | Not if you were the tank it wasn't. |
| 11:21.48 | olafski | no :P |
| 11:22.27 | DWSR | Back in those days, plate had a higher repair cost, point for point. |
| 11:22.30 | DWSR | And there were more points. |
| 11:22.40 | DWSR | God, I remember when guilds paid for repairs. |
| 11:22.52 | olafski | I remember, I was my guilds maintank ;p |
| 11:22.52 | DWSR | Why that shit doesn't happen now is beyond me, for tanks especially. |
| 11:22.57 | olafski | and they did pay my repairs |
| 11:23.12 | DWSR | tbh, it's dumb. |
| 11:23.18 | DWSR | I was in a guild that had 23k gold in the gbank. |
| 11:23.26 | DWSR | And they were like "We need it for flasks". |
| 11:23.36 | DWSR | I stopped paying for items from the gbank at that point. |
| 11:24.38 | olafski | :) |
| 11:24.43 | olafski | I just emptied my guild bank |
| 11:24.51 | olafski | paid the most active members a part and gave the rest to my gf and me :P |
| 11:25.09 | DWSR | I hate dumb GMs. |
| 11:25.11 | olafski | on another note, fighting with rez sickness is quite challenging :P |
| 11:25.15 | DWSR | yes. |
| 11:25.19 | DWSR | 75% stat reductino blows. |
| 11:25.23 | olafski | yeh me too that's why we formed our own guild |
| 11:25.24 | Amarande | DWSR: did plate ever actually have a higher repair cost? |
| 11:25.28 | DWSR | yes |
| 11:25.29 | Amarande | or was it just -because- there were more points? |
| 11:25.30 | DWSR | In Vanilla. |
| 11:25.38 | olafski | well, I think it's mostly "-75% damage caused" |
| 11:25.40 | DWSR | They changed it before BC came out. |
| 11:25.40 | olafski | the stats aren't that bad |
| 11:25.45 | Amarande | I always thought it was because plate had more points |
| 11:25.53 | DWSR | no. |
| 11:26.04 | Amarande | olafski: the last time I had rez sickness, I ended up wandering around the barrens practicing dagger skill |
| 11:26.04 | DWSR | That's why plate repairs cost more *now*. |
| 11:26.16 | olafski | oh that's quite clever amarande |
| 11:26.20 | olafski | at least you can't kill anything ^^ |
| 11:26.23 | Amarande | of course, that was because the reason I HAD rez sickness |
| 11:26.35 | olafski | I just killed a mob my own level with rez sickness |
| 11:26.36 | Amarande | was because I got bugged up and sent to XR due to weird buggage with hearthing from icecrown |
| 11:26.36 | olafski | took ages |
| 11:26.47 | Amarande | it kinda went like this |
| 11:26.51 | Amarande | I was on the horde zeppelin in icecrown |
| 11:26.55 | DWSR | Amarande: Old bug. |
| 11:26.58 | olafski | yeah I got sent to westfall a couple of times too :P |
| 11:27.03 | Amarande | innocently tried to hearth (and I'm pretty sure it said "returns you to D-A-L-A-R-A-N" |
| 11:27.07 | DWSR | Amarande: I've had that happen to me, except I ended up WAY above Darkshore. |
| 11:27.12 | Amarande | and I ended up high above the water in ... think it was icecrown. |
| 11:27.18 | Amarande | somewhere where it was fatigue water |
| 11:27.26 | mikma | cool, cool... |
| 11:27.27 | Amarande | but the strange thing was about 2 seconds after I hit water I instadied for no apparent reason |
| 11:27.35 | Amarande | even though there was still almost half the fatigue timer left |
| 11:27.41 | Amarande | and then I ended up in XR. |
| 11:27.55 | mikma | owned |
| 11:28.01 | DWSR | lol |
| 11:28.04 | DWSR | My favourite bug ever. |
| 11:28.12 | olafski | quick way to get to XR! |
| 11:28.13 | DWSR | Was the bug that caused me to to spawn in the opposing faction's starting zone. |
| 11:28.16 | DWSR | During BGs. |
| 11:28.16 | olafski | 1 minute left.. yawn |
| 11:28.25 | DWSR | it was an awesome bug. |
| 11:28.28 | Amarande | Can't say if I would have survived otherwise, as the reason I lost about 35 seconds of fatigue timer was because I was slowfalling for some bugged odd reason |
| 11:28.32 | olafski | could you reproduce it? |
| 11:28.34 | Amarande | so I don't know how far I was from safe water anyway |
| 11:28.49 | DWSR | olafski: It worked for an entire session. |
| 11:28.51 | Amarande | speaking of fatigue, it has bugs. |
| 11:28.59 | DWSR | olafski: I just ended up spawning int he opposite starting GY. |
| 11:29.02 | Amarande | there are icebergs in southern Northrend where you can be on solid ground and still fatigue out |
| 11:29.16 | Amarande | I discovered this when I was looking for a suitable spot to ocean fish |
| 11:29.17 | DWSR | I could 4 cap EotS before it started. |
| 11:29.36 | DWSR | Amarande: If you're dumb enough to ignore the fatigue bar, you deserve the repair bill. |
| 11:29.54 | Amarande | DWSR: Oh, I flew to a different spot. I just thought it intensely weird that you get a fatigue bar on solid ground a few places. |
| 11:30.05 | DWSR | See my above comment. |
| 11:30.18 | DWSR | There's a technical reason for that to exist. |
| 11:30.25 | DWSR | So frankly, why the hell are you that far out? |
| 11:32.21 | DWSR | God I love dbPowerAmp. |
| 11:33.59 | DWSR | multithreaded swiss army encoder. |
| 11:37.16 | Codayus | No |
| 11:37.24 | DWSR | ORLY? |
| 11:37.26 | Codayus | ...wrong window. |
| 11:38.49 | Codayus | Mmm, the best bug of that sort I personally encountered was dying in ZF and releasing, and ending up - as a ghost - in the middle of the Wetlands. |
| 11:39.08 | DWSR | That's not...beneficial though. |
| 11:39.09 | DWSR | That just sucks. |
| 11:39.12 | Codayus | I ended up having to take the boat from Menethil as a ghost. |
| 11:39.21 | DWSR | My bug is the best. |
| 11:39.30 | DWSR | It's like "Me love you. Here's free bg hax." |
| 11:39.45 | ZorbaBeta | I feel kind of left out. when I die, I just end up in the graveyard :( |
| 11:40.09 | Bruners | haste: daily heroic gogo |
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| 11:41.18 | Amarande | DWSR: actually, the first fatigue icebergs didn't seem that far out. At least, not for someone whose first concern was making sure one was actually in the *sea* and not in HF/Dragonblight border waters |
| 11:41.40 | Pneumatus | Codayus: the best bug i encounterd was at level 8 dying in the cave south of gnomeregan and being ressed outside the AV portal |
| 11:41.40 | DWSR | Amarande: You fly out 15 yards off shore, you're in the ocean. |
| 11:41.52 | DWSR | lol Pneumatus |
| 11:42.03 | DWSR | My hearth's set to dal. |
| 11:42.08 | DWSR | I hearthed once, from god knows where. |
| 11:42.14 | DWSR | And it set me 100 yards above Dal. |
| 11:42.38 | haste | Bruners: soon! |
| 11:43.00 | Bruners | haste: to slow :( |
| 11:43.11 | haste | Bruners: pfft :P |
| 11:43.13 | Bruners | or Hido is to fast finding healers |
| 11:50.14 | Bruners | i hate paladins |
| 11:51.07 | DWSR | Join the *casts Chaos Bolt*. |
| 11:51.15 | DWSR | nevermind. :) |
| 12:04.19 | Ycarene | How do I find out what a frame is? (editbox, button, etc...) |
| 12:06.06 | Ycarene | So, Frame:GetObjectType()? |
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| 12:20.59 | Fisker | Gnarfoz |
| 12:21.01 | Fisker | you bastard |
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| 12:31.59 | Ycarene | Do I need a newline after an 'end' to a function for it to be registered? |
| 12:32.28 | Amarande | yay. four more quests for EK loremaster |
| 12:32.32 | Amarande | and they are right here in my quest log. :) |
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| 12:37.24 | Amarande | Morning Peppy :) |
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| 12:38.27 | Ycarene | Is there a way to unload and reload an addon after making an update without having to completely leave WoW? |
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| 12:38.57 | Lukian | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:39.03 | Lukian | unless you add new files |
| 12:39.17 | Lukian | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:40.07 | alestane | Ycarene: The only place Lua distinguishes newlines from other whitespace is between a function expression and its call parentheses. |
| 12:40.22 | Ycarene | ok |
| 12:41.58 | zenzelezz | http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/2009/08/glenn-feron-i-have-no-sense-of.html |
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| 12:47.32 | Mikk | alestane: not true i think |
| 12:47.36 | Mikk | checks |
| 12:48.28 | Mikk | ah yes, that's where you get the ambiguous syntax error |
| 12:49.25 | Mikk | func\n(123) -> ambiguous syntax (function call x new statement) near '(' |
| 12:50.50 | alestane | Because "x = f\n(g(x))" could be interpreted as "x= f; g(x)", functions being first-class values in Lua. |
| 12:51.07 | Ycarene | Is there a way to get a keybind to go through even when an editbox is up? |
| 12:51.38 | Mikk | i don't think so. i think you have to trap it in the editbox. |
| 12:51.45 | alestane | I don't think so, although an editbox can be set to ignore certain keys such as the arrow keys. |
| 12:52.11 | Mikk | it event eats function keys |
| 12:52.16 | Mikk | which is a bit silly |
| 12:52.20 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, a girl can tell you that shirt is built all wrong, but it's a very smooth job nevertheless. |
| 12:52.24 | Ycarene | So can I take control of the base editbox object that all the other editboxes are derived from? |
| 12:52.56 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: I think the point was how utterly subtle the modifications were |
| 12:53.13 | alestane | Ycarene: Not after they're created, no. |
| 12:53.23 | Mikk | "all other" i don't know.. POSSIBLY you might be able to grab hold of some of blizzard's templates that MOST editboxes are derived from. but i'm not sure you can. |
| 12:53.31 | Wobin | http://photoshopdisasters.blogspot.com/2009/10/mega-magazine-worst-hand-job-ever.html |
| 12:53.31 | Mikk | and what alestane says is also true |
| 12:53.40 | Mikk | so the answer is mostly "no" |
| 12:54.06 | Ycarene | alestane - I mean as an onload function or some such before anything else loads... |
| 12:55.40 | Mikk | framexml has already loaded before you get a chance to do anything at all |
| 12:55.43 | Mikk | onload happens per addon |
| 12:56.35 | Mikk | iirc right after the files are parsed and before ADDON_LOADED |
| 12:56.39 | Mikk | but it could be the other way around |
| 12:56.42 | Mikk | my memory is a bit hazy |
| 12:57.25 | alestane | You can't modify templates. |
| 12:57.35 | Mikk | yeah you can't get hold of them, right? |
| 12:58.05 | alestane | They exist in C++...an add-on can redefine one when it loads, but that's the only access. |
| 12:58.17 | Lopeppeppy | zenzelezz, I don't find them unsubtle... one look at that shirt and i knew it was wrong. |
| 12:58.21 | Mikk | here's where my memory utterly fails me because in WoWBench they existed in Luaspace also :P |
| 12:58.31 | Mikk | or well there was no C++ space |
| 12:59.31 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: let me try to rephrase again. "What, no boobs? Photoshop some in" |
| 13:00.30 | zenzelezz | so who else were surprised that Obama got the Nobel Peace Prize? |
| 13:01.02 | zenzelezz | I wasn't even aware he was nominated |
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| 13:03.55 | Codayus | zenzelezz: Nominations close in Feb. |
| 13:03.56 | Codayus | So... |
| 13:04.12 | Codayus | He may be the first winner to win for something he did after he was nominated? Oo |
| 13:04.44 | bluspacecow | got a question guys : when submitting a ticket is it a good idea to open 2 tickets or just the one ? I'm getting 2 different addon errors but I'm not sure if they are directly related |
| 13:05.04 | mikma | yes |
| 13:05.10 | Fisker | Gnarfoz |
| 13:05.13 | Fisker | come make love to me |
| 13:05.25 | bluspacecow | 2 tickets mikma ? |
| 13:05.38 | mikma | no thanks |
| 13:06.06 | bluspacecow | ones a " attempt to index local 'self' (a nil value)" and the other is "bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got nil)" just the one ticket ? |
| 13:06.42 | bluspacecow | one i'm getting on Load on the PTR , the other just standing around the training dummies |
| 13:06.54 | bluspacecow | the first occurs once the other 1047 times and climbing .... |
| 13:07.13 | olafski | I'd say that's two separate issues :P |
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| 13:07.46 | Fisker | Adys |
| 13:07.52 | Fisker | i take you have a google wave account as well? |
| 13:07.52 | bluspacecow | yeah two tickets time *sigh* ... the 2nd one only occurs near other people it seems specifically the training dummies in that orc city |
| 13:08.02 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.14 | bluspacecow | *prints out a google logo* |
| 13:08.17 | bluspacecow | *waves it* |
| 13:08.24 | Fisker | hey bluspacecow |
| 13:08.25 | Fisker | fuck you |
| 13:08.30 | bluspacecow | :) |
| 13:08.40 | Fisker | :3 |
| 13:08.42 | bluspacecow | I love you too pal |
| 13:11.55 | bluspacecow | "Please provide any additional information below." |
| 13:12.02 | bluspacecow | Attempted to fix by replacing self with parent. Results show why I shouldn't give up my day job (IE I managed to make it explode in techni color bits) |
| 13:13.28 | bluspacecow | wait |
| 13:13.31 | bluspacecow | i work night shift |
| 13:13.42 | bluspacecow | so technically my day job is sleeping :) |
| 13:14.43 | Wobin | don't give up your day job! |
| 13:14.53 | Wobin | that would be terrible |
| 13:19.06 | bluspacecow | woah |
| 13:19.16 | bluspacecow | 12k crit on the ptr on undead mage premade |
| 13:20.12 | Amarande | anyone know what a flawless draenethyst sphere is for? |
| 13:20.16 | Amarande | should I AH this or save it? |
| 13:20.28 | bluspacecow | let me wowhead that for you |
| 13:20.33 | Amarande | I picked it up soloing this ?? boss dragonkin in Blasted Lands |
| 13:20.39 | Ycarene | Will a keybinding set with SetBindingClick fire if an editbox is up? (I'm guessing not, but I'm grasping at straws here) |
| 13:20.47 | Amarande | name started with a T, had about 91k hp, could only be harmed by shadow bolts, at least as far as my destro lock was concerned |
| 13:21.04 | bluspacecow | oh dang wowhead not loading |
| 13:21.23 | bluspacecow | *uses thottbot* |
| 13:21.28 | Ycarene | Amarande - it's for a quest to get blues in that zone |
| 13:21.39 | bluspacecow | oh my internets is sucking tonight :( |
| 13:21.40 | Ycarene | There's a lost one in the zone who will take those. |
| 13:22.00 | bluspacecow | yep |
| 13:22.07 | bluspacecow | Kum'isha the Collector |
| 13:22.38 | bluspacecow | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/mob.html?wmob=7363 |
| 13:22.48 | bluspacecow | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=8244#Used_in_Quests |
| 13:23.02 | bluspacecow | 2984 errors |
| 13:23.10 | bluspacecow | i think i should stop my combat log and taint log now |
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| 13:31.14 | Lopeppeppy_ | Grrrrrrr.... |
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| 13:33.25 | bluspacecow | ;( |
| 13:33.37 | bluspacecow | my event trace times dont match my local time or my server time :( |
| 13:35.52 | Wobin | You are tracing into THE FUTURE |
| 13:36.02 | bluspacecow | ? |
| 13:36.06 | bluspacecow | oh rly ? |
| 13:36.21 | bluspacecow | its out by an hour |
| 13:36.34 | bluspacecow | 2.36 am here even trace times with 3.15 |
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| 13:43.31 | Kraps | W |
| 13:43.32 | Kraps | T |
| 13:43.34 | Kraps | F |
| 13:43.36 | Kraps | http://www.reuters.com/article/GCA-BarackObama/idUSTRE5981JK20091009 |
| 13:44.39 | Fisker | old Kraps |
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| 13:50.17 | TopTop18 | eey! |
| 13:50.50 | TopTop18 | I decided to just use Chronos, but I'll try to make something myself when I'm mroe exoperienced :D |
| 13:51.28 | zenzelezz | you want to make your own just to see how it works? |
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| 13:52.10 | TopTop18 | yes somewhere in the future and to know I can actually do ti myself to and I can say it's fully my code :D |
| 13:53.06 | zenzelezz | writing your own OnUpdate handler is just like reinventing the fork; no-one thinks any higher of you for doing so. But if it's simply for curiosity, then I see no reason not to |
| 13:53.59 | Wobin | http://www.mysterygoogle.com/ |
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| 13:58.41 | olafski | lol |
| 13:59.49 | Kraps | Wobin: awesome |
| 14:00.12 | Amarande | Drat. |
| 14:00.29 | Amarande | If I had known better, I would have made my achievement and cooking completist character my druid instead of my warlock :S |
| 14:00.52 | Amarande | Let's see ... Druid is a skinner, and thus, would (after being leveled, anyway) be able to actually benefit more from killing tons and tons of silithids than the warlock, who can't. |
| 14:03.03 | TopTop18 | Hmm trying to use chronos now, but it gives error nil ahndler passed |
| 14:03.26 | TopTop18 | So isn;t Chronos.schedule(10, FF_DKP_Manager:SetPermissionRank()) a valid call? |
| 14:03.33 | TopTop18 | How would ti be used then? |
| 14:03.41 | zenzelezz | without the () perhaps? |
| 14:04.15 | TopTop18 | Tried but then WoW errors with funbction arguments expected near ) |
| 14:04.57 | zenzelezz | I don't remember the rules for using : like that... try . instead? |
| 14:05.13 | Kraps | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/underdev/3p3/characters.xml |
| 14:05.53 | TopTop18 | whoho! Dot works :D |
| 14:05.59 | TopTop18 | Dot and without () ofcourse |
| 14:06.02 | TopTop18 | Thanks! |
| 14:06.22 | Amarande | hmm, here's another silly rumor around some wow discussion areas ... |
| 14:06.39 | Amarande | there's this idea that if you're in a raid group and wander off somewhere alone, fewer green+ items drop than if you weren't in raid |
| 14:07.11 | Fisker | i have evidence that suggests i'll fart Wobin in the face |
| 14:07.15 | Fisker | farts Wobin in the face |
| 14:07.44 | olafski | amarande: similarly, I heard that drop rates aren't singular in that for instance krol blade could only drop in tyrs hand once every 48 hours |
| 14:07.52 | Kraps | Fiskers a slapping trout |
| 14:08.20 | Kraps | i do NOT like jainas new face |
| 14:08.48 | TopTop18 | It works now :D, it returns valid values after 30 sec :D |
| 14:08.50 | Wobin | Her face looks like Cher |
| 14:08.51 | Wobin | =P |
| 14:08.52 | Amarande | olafski: that one's more believable than the raid group one |
| 14:09.00 | olafski | I still question its validity |
| 14:09.03 | Amarande | it's a known fact that a mob's item drops spawn with the mob |
| 14:09.10 | olafski | sure |
| 14:09.22 | Amarande | I suppose the game could limit a dropped item by only letting it spawn with a mob once every X hours |
| 14:09.25 | olafski | but why would they go through such trouble of keeping track of what has dropped the past 48 hours |
| 14:09.29 | Amarande | but anything to do with what sort of group you're in is BS |
| 14:09.37 | olafski | the droprate is low enough, it's not as if krol blades will be dropping constantly |
| 14:09.39 | Amarande | olafski: that's not how they'd do it. |
| 14:09.46 | Amarande | remember, a mob's item drops spawn with the mob |
| 14:09.56 | Amarande | so they'd spawn a mob, which would happen to have a krol blade on it for a lucky player |
| 14:10.08 | Amarande | and then, IF there's a limit, there'd be a timer before another mob would be allowed to *spawn* with another krol blade |
| 14:10.14 | Amarande | regardless of when the first one was *killed* |
| 14:10.34 | olafski | ok fine, "why would they go through such trouble of keeping track of what has spawned the past 48 hours" :P |
| 14:11.15 | Amarande | anyway I need sleep. |
| 14:11.17 | Amarande | later folks. |
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| 14:11.21 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:11.56 | Kraps | trouts a Fisker with a round slap |
| 14:12.47 | Kraps | dang, i didnt win the MMORPG.com Fallen Earth Game Giveaway! |
| 14:20.10 | TopTop18 | lol I didn;t won a lot xD |
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| 14:25.37 | TopTop18 | Hmm if I say local foo = bar and then change foo to an other value, will bar point/represent that value then? |
| 14:26.38 | Wobin | lua> local foo = bar; foo = 3; print bar |
| 14:26.38 | lua_bot | Wobin: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'bar' |
| 14:26.41 | Fisker | i love you Kraps |
| 14:26.42 | Fisker | irl |
| 14:27.57 | TopTop18 | local foo = bar; foo = 3; print(bar) |
| 14:28.13 | TopTop18 | lua> local foo = bar; foo = 3; print(bar) |
| 14:28.13 | lua_bot | TopTop18: nil |
| 14:28.33 | TopTop18 | lua> foo = bar; foo = 3; print(bar) |
| 14:28.33 | lua_bot | TopTop18: nil |
| 14:28.42 | TopTop18 | Hmm no, okay thanks :D |
| 14:28.55 | TopTop18 | Wella ctually i don;t get hwo it works then :S |
| 14:29.00 | TopTop18 | Oh wait |
| 14:29.09 | TopTop18 | yes I do, thanks xD |
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| 14:34.44 | posefant | Morning |
| 14:34.44 | Kraps | no teed to get all insulting Fisker |
| 14:35.20 | posefant | off topic: the wowwiki cgi-client is banned from it's own chan. :P |
| 14:37.15 | posefant | nm wrong chan |
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| 14:37.33 | Kraps | doh |
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| 14:40.05 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
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| 14:49.38 | Fisker | haha Gnarfoz |
| 14:49.41 | Fisker | haha Jerub |
| 14:49.42 | Fisker | hahahaha |
| 14:49.43 | Fisker | Recent invitees do not get to invite others. We will grow from sign-ups and the invite queue. Active users might get invite wave later ... |
| 14:50.40 | Bruners | stupid blizzard loosing my keybindings and macros >< |
| 15:00.55 | Kraps | lol? |
| 15:01.11 | Kraps | disappears |
| 15:08.02 | Ycarene | .. does concatenation right? |
| 15:08.13 | zenzelezz | yes |
| 15:08.17 | Ycarene | k |
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| 15:14.46 | Ycarene | Whats the preferred pastebin in here? |
| 15:15.24 | Lopeppeppy | In the channel topic, Ycarene. |
| 15:15.35 | Lopeppeppy | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ |
| 15:15.57 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.listable.org/show/words-it-is-not-ok-to-ever-say |
| 15:17.14 | Ycarene | Ok, this is what I've come up with for my compose key addon (so far, very rudimentary, only works for one char) http://wowuidev.pastey.net/126272 |
| 15:18.13 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: /why/ |
| 15:18.31 | Ycarene | Think people would make use of this addon? |
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| 15:19.39 | Lopeppeppy | The one sentence description doesn't tell me enough of what it is supposed to do, what advantage it offers me. |
| 15:20.08 | Ycarene | It lets you type special characters into the chatbox |
| 15:21.12 | Ycarene | Since I couldn't get keybinds to work in the chatbox, I decided to do dynamic character insertion. |
| 15:21.22 | zenzelezz | "special"? |
| 15:21.43 | NightHawkTheSane | (characters that take the short bus) |
| 15:21.44 | Ycarene | Characters like æ or ë or à |
| 15:22.02 | Adys | f (string.sub(CK_oldtext,-2) == "ae") then |
| 15:22.11 | zenzelezz | ah, for people who don't have them on their keyboards? |
| 15:22.15 | Ycarene | Yep |
| 15:22.29 | Adys | you're looking at using a big table of lookups |
| 15:22.36 | Ycarene | Yes |
| 15:22.39 | Adys | so for the love of god dont chain ifs. |
| 15:22.54 | Ycarene | Obviously I haven't implemented that yet, but that's what I want to do. |
| 15:22.59 | Adys | ya |
| 15:23.03 | Adys | looks good to me tho |
| 15:23.12 | Mikk | he can chain as many ifs as he likes when we're talking about executing once per time someone presses a button |
| 15:23.20 | Mikk | it's not as if it's performance critical |
| 15:23.25 | Adys | its not about perf |
| 15:23.32 | Adys | its about making whoever reads the code cry |
| 15:23.46 | Ycarene | it only does the check when they use [alt-xx |
| 15:23.46 | Mikk | haha |
| 15:24.27 | Adys | I tend to find that whenever you keep your code clean, performance comes along with it |
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| 15:25.03 | Mikk | True to some extent. But there's also some going overboard and making the addon three times as large to optimize CPU cycles when it's not needed. |
| 15:25.20 | Adys | um |
| 15:25.38 | Adys | chaining ifs for a lookup of a good hundred/hundred fifty chars |
| 15:25.44 | Adys | a table would be a lot smaller |
| 15:26.00 | Ycarene | A table would also be a lot less of a pain in the ass to code. |
| 15:26.05 | Adys | yea |
| 15:26.07 | Mikk | you're sure about this? as in you've looked at what a table entry costs compared to an if instruction? =P |
| 15:26.19 | Adys | I really am not talking about perf |
| 15:26.38 | Adys | its about how clean it will look, how portable and maintainable it will be |
| 15:26.56 | Adys | unicodedata.lua and you probably got a lookup table easy to use |
| 15:27.21 | Ycarene | do I just add the extra file to the .toc? |
| 15:27.26 | Mikk | yeah i can't argue style |
| 15:27.28 | Adys | yes |
| 15:27.45 | Mikk | but when i heard performance arguments tossed around i had to play devil's advocate |
| 15:28.22 | Adys | the only point I heard performance arguments is when you talked about it |
| 15:28.22 | Adys | :P |
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| 15:28.54 | Lopeppeppy | Bah. I am getting nothing of this project done in half an hour. i give up, lunch first. |
| 15:29.06 | Mikk | hehe quite true, i probably read something into what you were saying that you weren't.. saying :P |
| 15:29.50 | Adys | sweet stuff |
| 15:29.58 | Adys | abyss crystals are up 8g from 2 days ago |
| 15:30.02 | Adys | 9g even |
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| 15:32.19 | Adys | if I manage to have everything I have left it'll be 3000g of pure profit |
| 15:33.47 | Mikk | they're 40-50 on my server |
| 15:34.07 | Mikk | you're on my server |
| 15:34.10 | Mikk | wth are you talking about |
| 15:34.26 | Mikk | oh.. up 8g.. not up from 8g. |
| 15:34.28 | Adys | yeah 2 days ago they were at 40g |
| 15:34.56 | Mikk | yeah i'm cheering right now because i bought for 15k when they were dropping |
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| 15:35.04 | Mikk | thought it'd be pure loss when i stopped |
| 15:35.11 | Mikk | looks like i might break even now |
| 15:35.22 | Adys | I still got 60 to sell |
| 15:35.26 | Adys | I sold around 200 so far |
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| 15:44.23 | Lunessa | Just what every employee wants to hear from their boss when they arrive, "What are you doing here? Aren't you off today?" |
| 15:47.49 | zenzelezz | "I was off this morning, now I've recharged" |
| 15:47.49 | Fisker | did you throw him on the ground? |
| 15:49.58 | Lopeppeppy | ... why would you be off today, Lunessa? |
| 15:50.04 | Lopeppeppy | grumps at not having Monday off. |
| 15:50.59 | Lunessa | I have to work tomorrow when I'm normally off work. My boss thought I was planning to take today off. |
| 15:52.13 | zenzelezz | and like every boss, he didn't check? |
| 15:52.48 | Lunessa | She just assumed. Later she said "I don't check your specific schedule. All I know is you always seem to be here when I need you." |
| 15:53.12 | zenzelezz | right... |
| 15:55.02 | Lunessa | Very chuckle-worthy |
| 15:55.17 | Lopeppeppy | ... oiy. |
| 15:55.24 | Lopeppeppy | Do you get Monday off at least, Lunessa? |
| 15:55.36 | Lunessa | I |
| 15:55.42 | Lunessa | I am not certain. |
| 15:56.17 | Lunessa | I don't think we do. I don't see Columbus Day on the list of closure days. |
| 15:56.25 | Lopeppeppy | I had to check today. It's not on our list here. Bummer. |
| 15:56.54 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 15:57.15 | Lunessa | I won't complain. It's not like I don't get lots and lots of days off here. |
| 15:57.37 | Ycarene | how do I tell if a specific key exists in a table? |
| 15:57.42 | Shirik | huggles Lunessa too |
| 15:58.08 | Shirik | Ycarene: rawget(t,k) ~= nil? |
| 15:58.08 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy's workplace hasn't discovered Columbus' Day yet |
| 15:58.08 | NightHawkTheSane | 'if t[k] then' ought to work |
| 15:58.11 | Lunessa | huggles Shirik and wonders if the lad is getting any sleep this semester. |
| 15:58.14 | Shirik | no NightHawkTheSane |
| 15:58.18 | NightHawkTheSane | no? |
| 15:58.20 | Shirik | false can "exist" |
| 15:58.34 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, i guess you'd have to to t[k] == nil? |
| 15:58.40 | alestane | or ~= nil. |
| 15:58.48 | Shirik | Lunessa: I was up until about 8 this morning playing aion |
| 15:58.51 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 15:58.54 | Shirik | and it's currently 12 |
| 15:59.00 | Shirik | and last night I had 3 hours of sleep because I had to grade papers |
| 15:59.03 | NightHawkTheSane | is not 100% awake, and has not finished his coffee (well, chai) yet |
| 15:59.12 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: I prefer rawget simply based off the way he asked the question, though |
| 15:59.16 | Lunessa | Heh. It looks pretty, but I don't think it's for me. |
| 15:59.20 | Shirik | He asked if the key exists in the table. |
| 15:59.27 | Shirik | A metatable could ruin that definition |
| 15:59.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: *shrug* seems like in the end it turns out the same? |
| 15:59.38 | Shirik | not necessar |
| 15:59.42 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, true. |
| 15:59.57 | Shirik | Lunessa: I'm playing it with a lot of people whom I played a Korean MMO with |
| 16:00.10 | Shirik | so, even if it's typical Korean style grind, etc., we're used to it and love to play together |
| 16:00.14 | NightHawkTheSane | although chances are in that case you'd still want the meta table to be doing its thing |
| 16:00.18 | Shirik | and we love pvp, etc. |
| 16:00.53 | Lopeppeppy | And hate sleeping, obviously |
| 16:01.15 | Lunessa | Shirik: I don't like PVP (never have), and I don't like the Korean version of MMOs which is "follow this one path and look pretty." |
| 16:01.26 | NightHawkTheSane | sleeping seems to be an acquired taste. the young hate it, the old relish it like a 12 year old scotch. |
| 16:02.05 | Elkano | backstabs Lunessa and grabs all the worthy possessions |
| 16:02.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: insert social commentary about asian culture? >.> |
| 16:03.21 | Lunessa | NHTS - No, not really. I'm impressed with many things Chinese and Japanese of a cultural nature - just not their mmos. |
| 16:03.50 | Lunessa | had nothing for Elkano to take being only level one and in the newbie zone. |
| 16:03.53 | NightHawkTheSane | i was being sarcastic, mostly |
| 16:04.05 | Lunessa | I <3 Asian women. :P |
| 16:04.14 | NightHawkTheSane | .. no comment. :) |
| 16:06.19 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 16:06.37 | Lunessa | Hahaha |
| 16:06.41 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 16:06.42 | Fisker | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/d915979f35b35ab57ecdc88f71543cff.jpg |
| 16:06.43 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:08.03 | Ycarene | Do I have to include the file in my main addon file or just have it in my .toc file? |
| 16:08.12 | NightHawkTheSane | just in the .toc is fine |
| 16:08.28 | Ycarene | Hmm, it's not finding the table I've defined. |
| 16:08.52 | Lunessa | Fisker: Kim Joeng Il's mailbox? |
| 16:09.10 | NightHawkTheSane | did you declare the table as local? if so, it'd be local to the file. |
| 16:09.27 | NightHawkTheSane | also, to be sure, you might want to list your main file last in the .toc, so everything else loads first |
| 16:09.42 | Ycarene | Ahh, that might be it. |
| 16:11.10 | Ycarene | Its not declared as local |
| 16:11.37 | Lunessa | http://www.wowbash.com//image-9435.html |
| 16:12.04 | Lunessa | Let's try that again without the fail slash |
| 16:12.05 | Lunessa | http://www.wowbash.com/image-9435.html |
| 16:12.42 | NightHawkTheSane | heh |
| 16:14.07 | Shirik | Lunessa: I know |
| 16:14.11 | Shirik | it's totally different markets |
| 16:14.18 | Shirik | I actually am surprised I am compatible with the WoW market |
| 16:14.24 | Shirik | I tend to like Korean MMO style games |
| 16:14.33 | Shirik | and PvP-heavy games |
| 16:15.01 | Lunessa | Shirik: Yeah, I didn't like FF of any stripe, Phantasy Star made me die inside, and Lineage was only worth watching for about 3 minutes. |
| 16:15.12 | Shirik | I almost played Phantasy Star |
| 16:15.37 | Shirik | I never got into the FF series, but I think that was only because I never tried it; it was before my time |
| 16:16.24 | NightHawkTheSane | man, the concept of ff being before anyone's time makes me sad |
| 16:16.26 | Lunessa | I'm a PvE kind of guy - A smattering of PVP is ok -- but I don't need/want/like it to be something that's my primary focus. |
| 16:16.29 | Shirik | :( |
| 16:16.30 | NightHawkTheSane | (and old) |
| 16:16.40 | Shirik | It's not like it's "before my time I never knew of it" |
| 16:16.53 | Shirik | it's more of "I was young and reckless at the time so I spent my time bashing people in CS:S and BF2" |
| 16:17.06 | Lunessa | NHTS - Shirik always makes me feel old. He's a kid. |
| 16:17.12 | Shirik | I'm not a kid T_T |
| 16:17.14 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i know. :( |
| 16:17.28 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: do you even remember 9/11? :o |
| 16:17.34 | NightHawkTheSane | teases |
| 16:17.45 | Lunessa | Shirik: I'm going to be 40 really soon. Then I'll login to IRC with "You kids git offa mah lawn!" |
| 16:17.54 | Shirik | I remember 9/11 :( |
| 16:17.56 | Keias | You fossil |
| 16:18.02 | Shirik | Know exactly where I was, etc. |
| 16:18.03 | NightHawkTheSane | comforts Lunessa |
| 16:18.12 | Shirik | however, I didn't understand the full implications of it until probably a year later |
| 16:18.13 | Keias | I can't wait to get old. |
| 16:18.22 | Keias | I can let myself get fat and it'll be perfectly acceptable. |
| 16:18.22 | Shirik | That was when I was in 9th grade |
| 16:18.31 | Lunessa | Keias: Hey, I read Logan's Run - Don't trust anyone over 30! |
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| 16:18.43 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: on the other hand, thanks for making me feel not so old. ;) |
| 16:18.56 | Lunessa | Shirik: For me, It was in the second year of my first retirement. |
| 16:18.57 | Keias | Lunessa, I learned not to trust anyone under 35 by watching Lie To Me. |
| 16:19.04 | Shirik | Now I'm 22, almost 23... |
| 16:19.13 | Shirik | and I have come to the conclusion that I am in fact old |
| 16:19.15 | Shirik | you know why? |
| 16:19.17 | Shirik | And this is the sad part |
| 16:19.26 | Shirik | I'm still not out of school, and I have no age to look forward to except 40 |
| 16:19.32 | Shirik | and I'm not sure 40 is something to look forward to |
| 16:19.33 | Keias | Lies |
| 16:19.34 | Lunessa | Keias: I'm trying hard to like that show, but ... It's the same old cops & robbers only the cops aren't cops. |
| 16:19.39 | Keias | at 25 you get cheaper car insurance. |
| 16:19.43 | Shirik | I haven't had a permanent job, and my life is (at least) about 25% over |
| 16:19.48 | Keias | Lunessa, i'm still a sucker for those :( |
| 16:19.52 | Keias | Probably why I enjoy it so much. |
| 16:20.03 | Shirik | it feels like a waste tbh |
| 16:20.11 | Lopeppeppy | Why not look forward to 40, Shirik? Come grow old with me! |
| 16:20.19 | Lunessa | Keias: Me too, but ... I admit that I only watch the show 'cause it has hot chicas in it. |
| 16:20.30 | Keias | lol |
| 16:20.36 | Keias | Does that mean you watch Whedon shows too? |
| 16:20.54 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:20.58 | Lunessa | Shirik: You're going to do big things. I only really feel old because it seems like all the big things I was doing are over. |
| 16:21.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Keias: psh, i couldn't watch dollhouse, even if it did have hot chicks in it :( |
| 16:21.19 | Keias | Me neither :( |
| 16:21.20 | Lopeppeppy | http://xkcd.com/219/ |
| 16:21.20 | Shirik | you don't know that |
| 16:21.23 | Shirik | I could die tomorrow |
| 16:21.32 | Lopeppeppy | http://xkcd.com/150/ |
| 16:21.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: and if you do, you won't have to worry about it anymore, so stop :P |
| 16:21.42 | Lunessa | Keias: No. I liked Firefly. Hated "Angel" and didn't get into Buffy. Dollhouse sucked so badly at first I haven't been able to go back to it. |
| 16:22.02 | Lunessa | Ms. Dushku is not hot. |
| 16:22.10 | Keias | I'm expecting it to be canned soon. |
| 16:22.17 | Keias | Since the "finale" is coming up for it. |
| 16:22.52 | Keias | Firefly was awesome though |
| 16:22.55 | Keias | And Kaylee was super hot. |
| 16:23.08 | theorbtwo | Huh? The last episode of the season aired some time ago. Another season has been confirmed. |
| 16:23.13 | NightHawkTheSane | i think what a lot of people mistook as whedon being awesome was the strenght of cast his better shows had |
| 16:23.14 | Lunessa | She moved over to one of the Star gate spin-offs. |
| 16:23.48 | Lopeppeppy | Kaylee was hot. So hot. |
| 16:23.54 | Lunessa | Whedon can be awesome. But like Sturgeon's Law says: "90% of everything is crap." |
| 16:23.58 | theorbtwo | Are you watching as it's aired in redistribution? |
| 16:24.00 | NightHawkTheSane | jewel staite IS hot. there's no was.. |
| 16:24.14 | alestane | They told her when she auditioned that if she took the part she'd have to gain 20 pounds. |
| 16:25.30 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: I'm... not sure that's how I should view death |
| 16:25.37 | Lunessa | She has a MySpace page? http://www.myspace.com/thejewelstaite |
| 16:25.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: really? any other way seems.. morbid and depressing... |
| 16:26.05 | Shirik | that's probably because death is, I dunno, morbid and depressing? |
| 16:26.28 | Lopeppeppy | It doesn't have to be. |
| 16:26.35 | Shirik | Morbid: [Latin morbidus, diseased, from morbus, disease; see mer- in Indo-European roots.] |
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| 16:26.49 | Shirik | oh that says disease, not decease |
| 16:26.49 | Lopeppeppy | You get what everyone gets... a lifetime. |
| 16:26.50 | Shirik | :( |
| 16:28.10 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Lifetime value may not be equivalent to other lifetimes. |
| 16:28.49 | Shirik | the only thing I have ever been truly afraid of, I think, is dying without having done anything useful |
| 16:29.13 | Shirik | and Lopeppeppy's dinorawr |
| 16:29.22 | Lopeppeppy | rawr |
| 16:29.37 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: can dinorawr anytime. *salacious wink* |
| 16:29.39 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, you've made friends and influenced people. You are useful. |
| 16:29.42 | Lopeppeppy | rawr |
| 16:29.46 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 16:32.02 | Lunessa | OMFG - http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0684.html - laughing so hard |
| 16:33.34 | NightHawkTheSane | haha |
| 16:33.35 | Shirik | lol Lunessa |
| 16:33.36 | NightHawkTheSane | oots wins |
| 16:33.45 | Lunessa | Seriously. |
| 16:35.31 | Shirik | .......... |
| 16:35.38 | Shirik | there was this Battle of the Giants commercial |
| 16:35.58 | Shirik | and they were saying your abilities in the game |
| 16:36.10 | Shirik | and one of the lines was "Harness special power like breathing..." |
| 16:36.14 | Shirik | and then the cable cut out |
| 16:36.16 | Shirik | it was epic |
| 16:36.28 | Shirik | I wasn't watching the TV so I looked up and I was like "breathing? wtf" |
| 16:36.33 | Shirik | then I realized it was out |
| 16:37.26 | Fisker | tases Shirik in the butthole |
| 16:39.19 | Lunessa | http://xkcd.com/647/ |
| 16:39.58 | jnwhiteh | and we're back. |
| 16:40.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ugh. someone needs to teach my coworker how to ue class constants >< |
| 16:40.31 | NightHawkTheSane | public static is not used for everything |
| 16:40.45 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 16:40.57 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: He also uses import static and import * everywhere? |
| 16:41.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: well its php, so no... |
| 16:41.30 | Shirik | I hate people who use classes but don't do anything OO |
| 16:41.38 | Shirik | like using classes for the sake of calling it OOP |
| 16:41.45 | NightHawkTheSane | but he has lists of "constants" defined as public static properties |
| 16:41.51 | Ycarene | Are keys in tables case sensitive? |
| 16:42.04 | Shirik | yes, usually |
| 16:42.09 | Shirik | well |
| 16:42.11 | Shirik | yes |
| 16:42.18 | Shirik | but you can make them not case sensitive if you so desire |
| 16:42.26 | Shirik | well |
| 16:42.28 | Shirik | .... |
| 16:42.29 | Shirik | yes. |
| 16:42.30 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: that kind of epidomizes some of his coding practices |
| 16:42.39 | Ycarene | Well, actually I want them to BE case sensitive. |
| 16:42.44 | Shirik | ok, then yes. |
| 16:43.18 | NightHawkTheSane | he uses an mvc framework, but then does't bother actually using views, stuffs all the code in one controller method.. |
| 16:43.21 | NightHawkTheSane | cries |
| 16:44.16 | Ycarene | lua > CK_UnicodeTable={ "ae" = "\195\166", "AE"="\195\134"}; |
| 16:44.36 | Lunessa | http://graphjam.com/2009/10/09/song-chart-memes-popularity-contest/ |
| 16:44.37 | zenzelezz | try without the space |
| 16:44.42 | Ycarene | lua> CK_UnicodeTable={ "ae" = "\195\166", "AE"="\195\134"}; |
| 16:44.43 | lua_bot | Ycarene: luabot:1: '}' expected near '=' |
| 16:46.00 | Shirik | ok gotta go to meeting |
| 16:46.00 | Shirik | baibai |
| 16:46.03 | Ycarene | lua> CK_UnicodeTable={ ["ae"] = "\195\166", ["AE"]="\195\134"}; |
| 16:46.03 | lua_bot | Ycarene: No output |
| 16:46.50 | zenzelezz | lua> CK_UnicodeTable={ ["ae"] = "\195\166", ["AE"]="\195\134"}; print(CK_UnicodeTable["ae"]) |
| 16:46.50 | lua_bot | zenzelezz: æ |
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| 16:58.06 | Kraps | http://xkcd.com/109/ |
| 16:58.24 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:58.57 | Kraps | trouts a bit Fisker with slap |
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| 17:11.23 | _rane | anyone have a clue if it's possible to configure grid to show more than 5 players per row? |
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| 17:33.48 | alestane | Given what they offered us last time, do we efen want there to BE another [Steamy Romance Novel] in Cataclysm? |
| 17:36.54 | Lopeppeppy | Uh, no |
| 17:37.25 | alestane | The first one amused me...the second one made me go "Bleach!" |
| 17:40.30 | Lunessa | alestane: They're going to go straight to Video and make "Jaina Does Orgirmar." |
| 17:40.48 | Lopeppeppy | what's she raising funds for? |
| 17:41.22 | nevcairiel | speaking of videos, i wonder whats going to happen with the movie that was talked about |
| 17:41.41 | nevcairiel | I wouldn't be surprised if they combine that with an expansion release or something |
| 17:41.53 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: The fact that you know the plot point is ++ |
| 17:44.12 | Lopeppeppy | *grin* |
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| 17:48.05 | alestane | I haven't found any American-produced pornography I can watch for more than a couple minutes. |
| 17:48.35 | nevcairiel | As long as its long enough for you =p |
| 17:49.00 | alestane | You know, I knew I was inviting tasteless comments with that. |
| 17:49.54 | NeoTron | someone had a lot of time |
| 17:49.59 | NeoTron | http://de.fishki.net/picsw/102009/06/pc/tn.jpg sfw |
| 17:50.06 | Lopeppeppy | I find it all mostly kinda funny. |
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| 17:50.16 | nevcairiel | heh thats kinda nice |
| 17:50.52 | Lopeppeppy | Geeky in the extreme... |
| 17:50.57 | NeoTron | question I have, is it actually a room |
| 17:51.04 | NeoTron | or is it a computer with doll house furniture |
| 17:51.08 | Lopeppeppy | It looks like a typical dorm room, with a loft bed... |
| 17:51.17 | Lopeppeppy | but yeah, could be mini furniture instead. |
| 17:51.22 | nevcairiel | its a real mobo, with doll house stuff |
| 17:51.54 | NeoTron | it looks a bit off |
| 17:52.08 | NeoTron | the chair especially |
| 17:52.09 | nevcairiel | you can even see the border of the PCs case in the front |
| 17:52.33 | Lunessa | Dollhouse furniture. |
| 17:53.01 | NeoTron | apparently it's not just a real motherboard, it's actually a working computer |
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| 18:06.43 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm mildly surprised the furniture has't burst into flame |
| 18:07.10 | Lopeppeppy | Not plugged in I'd guess |
| 18:07.24 | NightHawkTheSane | well, NeoTron just said it was a working computer? |
| 18:08.38 | Lopeppeppy | huh. I wouldn't put crap into my working computer, but hey. |
| 18:11.15 | Dagmar | That closet is chilly |
| 18:11.22 | Dagmar | Better to keep the leprechaun happy |
| 18:13.59 | Dagmar | Keep in mind that you *could* justify the couch and lounge chair because it takes up space that would otherwise be dead zones for cooling. |
| 18:16.33 | Lunessa | It could also be kept well-cooled, like say... in a very cold room. |
| 18:17.04 | Ycarene | This is my complete addon (sans the unicode defs, which I don't think are relevant) http://wowuidev.pastey.net/126284 Any cleanup I should do here? |
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| 18:28.18 | alestane | Here's my take on it: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/126286 |
| 18:32.10 | Ycarene | Everything seems good except where it does the table lookup |
| 18:32.23 | Ycarene | Oh, wait |
| 18:40.03 | alestane | Wait? |
| 18:40.55 | zenzelezz | think he meant "wait" as in "nevermind" |
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| 18:41.22 | KarlKFI | rofl: http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php |
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| 18:43.04 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 18:48.44 | Ycarene | The regular expression isn't working right, I changed it %[ck-..] but it still doesn't seem to work. |
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| 18:52.10 | alestane | Oh right, you don't want character codes, you want duograms. |
| 18:52.48 | stolenlegacy | try %d+ |
| 18:52.57 | stolenlegacy | and the strlen() |
| 18:53.02 | stolenlegacy | s/the/then/ |
| 18:53.37 | alestane | lua> ("Something[ck-ae]"):match("%[ck-[^%]]+%]") |
| 18:53.37 | lua_bot | alestane: [ck-ae] |
| 18:53.55 | alestane | lua> ("Something[ck-ae]"):match("%[ck-([^%]]+)%]") |
| 18:53.56 | lua_bot | alestane: k-ae |
| 18:54.33 | alestane | Now THAT'S bizarre. |
| 18:54.34 | Ycarene | Theres no closing bracket |
| 18:55.06 | alestane | So you want it to recognize it as soon as you have "[ck-ae"? |
| 18:55.21 | Ycarene | Yes |
| 18:55.37 | stolenlegacy | lua> ("Something[ck-ae]"):match("%[ck-[^%]]) |
| 18:55.37 | lua_bot | stolenlegacy: luabot:1: unfinished string near '<eof>' |
| 18:55.40 | stolenlegacy | lua> ("Something[ck-ae]"):match("%[ck-[^%]]") |
| 18:55.42 | lua_bot | stolenlegacy: [ck |
| 18:55.48 | stolenlegacy | lua> ("Something[ck-ae]"):match("%[ck-[^%]]+") |
| 18:55.48 | lua_bot | stolenlegacy: [ck-ae |
| 18:55.58 | alestane | lua> select('#', ("Something[ck-ae"):match("%[ck-(..)")) |
| 18:55.58 | lua_bot | alestane: 1 |
| 18:56.06 | alestane | lua> ("Something[ck-ae"):match("%[ck-(..)") |
| 18:56.06 | lua_bot | alestane: k- |
| 18:56.18 | Ycarene | lua> ("[ck-ae"):match("%[ck-..") |
| 18:56.18 | lua_bot | Ycarene: [ck- |
| 18:56.23 | stolenlegacy | lua> ("Something[ck-ae]"):match("%[ck-[^%]]+") |
| 18:56.23 | lua_bot | stolenlegacy: [ck-ae |
| 18:56.55 | alestane | lua> ("Something[ck-ae"):match("%[ck-(..)$") |
| 18:56.55 | lua_bot | alestane: nil |
| 18:57.06 | stolenlegacy | lua> ("Something[ck-ae"):match("%[ck-[^%]]+") |
| 18:57.06 | lua_bot | stolenlegacy: [ck-ae |
| 18:57.16 | stolenlegacy | lua> ("Something[ck-ae"):match("%[ck-[^%d]+") |
| 18:57.17 | lua_bot | stolenlegacy: [ck-ae |
| 18:57.34 | stolenlegacy | lua> ("Something[ck-ae"):match("%[ck-%d+") |
| 18:57.34 | lua_bot | stolenlegacy: nil |
| 18:57.38 | stolenlegacy | lua> ("Something[ck-12"):match("%[ck-%d+") |
| 18:57.38 | lua_bot | stolenlegacy: nil |
| 18:57.50 | stolenlegacy | lua> ("Something[ck-12"):match("%[ck-[%d]+") |
| 18:57.50 | lua_bot | stolenlegacy: nil |
| 18:57.56 | stolenlegacy | lua> ("Something[ck-12"):match("%[ck-[^%d]+") |
| 18:57.57 | lua_bot | stolenlegacy: [ck- |
| 18:58.04 | alestane | What I'm trying to get out of it is only the last two characters, and only if the right prefix is there. |
| 18:58.12 | Ycarene | Yeah |
| 18:59.53 | stolenlegacy | lua> local a = ("Something[ck-ae"):match("%[ck-[^%]]+"); print((substr(a, -2))) |
| 18:59.53 | lua_bot | stolenlegacy: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'substr' (a nil value) |
| 18:59.53 | stolenlegacy | lua> local a = ("Something[ck-ae"):match("%[ck-[^%]]+"); print((str.substr(a, -2))) |
| 18:59.53 | lua_bot | stolenlegacy: luabot:1: attempt to index global 'str' (a nil value) |
| 18:59.53 | stolenlegacy | lua> local a = ("Something[ck-ae"):match("%[ck-[^%]]+"); print((string.substr(a, -2))) |
| 18:59.53 | lua_bot | stolenlegacy: luabot:1: attempt to call field 'substr' (a nil value) |
| 18:59.53 | stolenlegacy | damn |
| 18:59.54 | alestane | You're looking for string.sub. |
| 18:59.59 | Ycarene | lua> ("this is just [ck-ae"):match("%[ck-[^%]]+") |
| 18:59.59 | lua_bot | Ycarene: [ck-ae |
| 19:00.02 | foxlit | Why aren't you just capturing? |
| 19:00.10 | alestane | That's what I'm trying to do. |
| 19:00.17 | alestane | But I get the wrong letters. |
| 19:00.24 | foxlit | I didn't scroll up far enough to see your attempts. |
| 19:00.25 | alestane | >lua ("Something[ck-ae"):match("%[ck-(..)") |
| 19:00.31 | foxlit | You have to note that - is a special char. |
| 19:00.34 | stolenlegacy | lua> local a = ("Something[ck-ae"):match("%[ck-[^%]]+"); print((string.sub(a, -2))) |
| 19:00.34 | lua_bot | stolenlegacy: ae |
| 19:00.37 | stolenlegacy | :) |
| 19:00.45 | alestane | lua> ("Something[ck-ae"):match("%[ck%-(..)") |
| 19:00.46 | lua_bot | alestane: ae |
| 19:00.50 | alestane | THERE we go. |
| 19:01.23 | Ycarene | Nice |
| 19:01.56 | Ycarene | Thank you |
| 19:02.11 | alestane | Made a new pastey: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/126292 |
| 19:02.32 | stolenlegacy | ("Something[ck-ad"):match("%[ck%-(%d%d)"); |
| 19:02.38 | stolenlegacy | lua>("Something[ck-12"):match("%[ck%-(%d%d)"); |
| 19:02.39 | lua_bot | stolenlegacy: 12 |
| 19:02.42 | stolenlegacy | lua>("Something[ck-ad"):match("%[ck%-(%d%d)"); |
| 19:02.42 | lua_bot | stolenlegacy: nil |
| 19:02.52 | stolenlegacy | since you mentioned you only want numbers |
| 19:03.14 | Lukian | lua>("Something[ck-1234"):match("%[ck%-(%d%d)"); |
| 19:03.14 | lua_bot | Lukian: 12 |
| 19:03.18 | Ycarene | no, not numbers |
| 19:03.44 | stolenlegacy | whoops, then i misunderstood |
| 19:03.46 | Ycarene | alestane got exactly what I needed. |
| 19:04.18 | alestane | You might want a shorter cue sequence though, if you can think of one. |
| 19:04.48 | Ycarene | Probably, I'm just glad its working now. |
| 19:06.05 | foxlit | hold alt while entering. |
| 19:06.05 | alestane | Maybe '$', which shouldn't normally come up in WoW typing anyway unless you're a gold spammer. |
| 19:06.13 | foxlit | alt-a-e ==> æ |
| 19:06.36 | alestane | foxlit: Not a bad interface, but requires a completely difference capture approach. |
| 19:06.46 | foxlit | alestane: IsAltDown() in OnChar. |
| 19:07.26 | alestane | And OnEvent registered for the MODIFIERS_CHANGED event, whatever it's called. |
| 19:07.50 | foxlit | Caching it in a flag seems easier. |
| 19:08.17 | alestane | Well, wouldn't you normally output the result when Alt was released? |
| 19:08.32 | foxlit | Dunno. |
| 19:09.47 | foxlit | I was thinking more in terms of letting you type, then replacing the last to letters if you held alt and they were matching. |
| 19:09.47 | alestane | Otherwise you have to wait until they type a char without Alt down to process. |
| 19:09.47 | foxlit | to/two/ |
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| 19:11.04 | Ycarene | OnChar doesn't fire unless a printable characater goes into the chatbox |
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| 19:12.01 | Ycarene | And holding alt won't generate a printable character. |
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| 19:15.04 | foxlit | Now *that* is a proper problem :) |
| 19:15.11 | foxlit | I wonder what eats those keystrokes. |
| 19:15.33 | alestane | I think if that was what you wanted to do, you'd register for Alt being pressed, in which case you'd register OnKeyDown and suppress OnChar (if necessary). You'd collect the keys, and when Alt was released (detected through an event again), you'd reference the resulting string. |
| 19:15.45 | Kraps | i need a new monitor |
| 19:16.10 | alestane | Ah, NVM, "Does not run for focused EditBoxes." |
| 19:16.36 | Fisker | Gnarfoz |
| 19:18.21 | Kraps | tf2 time |
| 19:18.45 | Fisker | slaps Kraps around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:18.48 | Fisker | OVERTIME |
| 19:18.56 | alestane | I do get printable keystrokes, but I'm on a Mac. |
| 19:19.44 | Kraps | Fisker bit trouts with a large FUCK YOU |
| 19:21.26 | alestane | You'd have to use another frame that was keyboard-enabled but not an EditBox, so that you could catch the keystrokes, unless it's something before WoW that's eating them. |
| 19:21.53 | alestane | I know I've been driven crazy on Windows by the fact that I can't use SHIFT-NumPad1 as a binding. |
| 19:22.21 | Fisker | fuck you Kraps |
| 19:22.54 | Kraps | why thank you Fisker |
| 19:24.13 | foxlit | alestane: might be the menu bindings |
| 19:24.24 | foxlit | (That are eating alt+keystroke) |
| 19:24.38 | foxlit | Then again, alt-z bindings work. |
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| 19:38.55 | Tarnovo | Hey fellas. |
| 19:38.57 | foxlit | I wonder why there's a significant delay before my alt can open the alchemy window |
| 19:39.36 | Tarnovo | How would i go about doing something like this: http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q125/Marlo_89/blehh.jpg |
| 19:40.08 | nevcairiel | create a texture, color it, done |
| 19:40.20 | Antiarc | Tarnovo: Create one frame per box, set a backdrop on it, then set the backdrop color |
| 19:40.22 | Antiarc | Or a texture |
| 19:40.32 | nevcairiel | plain color textures, imho |
| 19:41.54 | foxlit | Oh wow. Saronite on my server is auctioning for the vendor price BO |
| 19:42.07 | nevcairiel | heh nice |
| 19:42.13 | Dagmar | That's pretty common for both it and Borean Leather actually |
| 19:42.18 | Dagmar | Those markets are saturated |
| 19:42.26 | foxlit | But people LOSE MONEY by auctioning it |
| 19:42.28 | Dagmar | Pretty win if you're a crafter OR a buyer |
| 19:42.31 | foxlit | They really should vendor. |
| 19:42.42 | nevcairiel | people are not smart like that |
| 19:42.47 | Dagmar | foxlit: I'd list it at vendor plus auction fees, personally |
| 19:43.07 | Dagmar | Not everyone's interface warns them then they are selling at a loss, but it's also possible they're just wanting someone else to use the stuff up |
| 19:43.10 | foxlit | Dagmar: I guess what happens next is that someone figures they'll undercut you :) |
| 19:43.20 | Fisker | slaps Dagmar around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:43.25 | foxlit | Dagmar: The sell price is now shown for everyone :) |
| 19:43.45 | Dagmar | When you can snatch stuff from the AH for that cheap, there's not much disincentive to just craft up some stuff that looks useful and bring other prices down a bit more |
| 19:44.08 | Dagmar | foxlit: Yeah but it doesn't take AH cut into account |
| 19:44.39 | Dagmar | I know when borean leather hits bottom I try to raise it up and put a few new sets of pvp blues or something in |
| 19:44.52 | foxlit | Dagmar: it's rather obviously bad if you're setting BO to the vendor price -- just vendor it, and get your money faster :) |
| 19:44.53 | nevcairiel | thats what people don't get, and they think like "hey, i'm nice, isntead of vendoring i put it up for auctions" |
| 19:45.19 | nevcairiel | but forget about the cut |
| 19:45.19 | Dagmar | nevcariel: Considering how badly many people need gear, I see this as a good thing |
| 19:45.36 | Dagmar | Folks can buy materials from the AH and work up their trade skill a bit more, put the result back into the AH |
| 19:45.57 | Dagmar | ...and most importantly, not turn into a twisted creature of hate from having farmed mats for hours on end |
| 19:45.58 | nevcairiel | of course, but it wouldnt be worse if they thought about the cut, too |
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| 19:46.09 | Dagmar | It's not _much_ of a cut |
| 19:46.20 | Dagmar | Now if they were posting into the neut AH it would be another issue |
| 19:46.30 | Dagmar | You know anything under 10g might as well be nothing to a level 80 toon |
| 19:46.31 | nevcairiel | does anyone actually ever use that? |
| 19:46.51 | nevcairiel | except for transfering stuff x-faction |
| 19:46.51 | Dagmar | Tehre's lots of Green Hills pages in it, and cross faction pets/recipes |
| 19:47.07 | nevcairiel | the ones i was missing never showed up there |
| 19:47.25 | nevcairiel | pets/recipes, not green hill :P |
| 19:47.52 | foxlit | Green hill is just made for general chat. |
| 19:48.08 | foxlit | But perhaps my experience is based on happier, lower-level times. |
| 19:48.35 | nevcairiel | i remember trading pages in STV general back in original classic leveling |
| 19:49.04 | Dagmar | I think pretty much everyone just swaps pages in the AH like so many common pokemon cards now |
| 19:49.04 | nevcairiel | on my other toons i just went to the AH and bought the lacking pages, usually there is all of them up there :P |
| 19:49.27 | Dagmar | I half expect the NPCs there to get a chance in Cataclysm that has them suggest you might be able to buy the missing pages |
| 19:49.33 | Dagmar | s/chance/change/; |
| 19:49.43 | nevcairiel | STV needs some general cleanup |
| 19:49.44 | Dagmar | That's pretty big XP for very little money |
| 19:49.51 | foxlit | Dagmar: I'd expect the quest to vanish. |
| 19:49.55 | nevcairiel | its also way too bright for the cataclysm theme |
| 19:50.01 | Dagmar | What would the trolls wipe with then? |
| 19:50.14 | nevcairiel | could still drop grey |
| 19:50.21 | nevcairiel | one item, not 20 though |
| 19:51.09 | Dagmar | I think it should be replaced with a book mocking a certain other game |
| 19:51.35 | Dagmar | Call it something like "Punes of Magic" |
| 19:52.06 | Dagmar | It could be a story about a young magic student who makes an ass out of himself by copying his own mentor's paper and handing it in as his original work |
| 19:52.29 | foxlit | What do magic students do with papers? |
| 19:52.42 | Dagmar | Talk about "aethers" |
| 19:52.57 | Dagmar | You know what I'm alluding to there, right? |
| 19:53.30 | foxlit | Not sure if I'm thinking what you're thinking, Brain :) |
| 19:53.43 | Dagmar | RoM has a quest you'll see at like, level 13-14, rather early on, that is more or less the exact same thing as The Green Hills of Stranglethorn |
| 19:53.50 | NeoTron | green hills used to make a ton of xp before it was nerfed |
| 19:54.05 | Dagmar | The book's title is different, and you can't actually read theirs, but the page numbers and chapters are _exactly_ the same. |
| 19:54.17 | NeoTron | it's funny since Blizzard in retrospect doesn't like that quest :P |
| 19:54.22 | Dagmar | I was a little shocked at the brazenness of that. |
| 19:54.35 | Dagmar | NeoTron: Cuz the damn thing takes up so much bag space |
| 19:54.45 | NeoTron | going to be pretty sure that particular thing will be gone come cataclysm |
| 19:54.56 | NeoTron | Dagmar: what they need is for quest items, any quest items, not to use bag space! |
| 19:55.18 | Dagmar | NeoTron: The book will probably be moved to that inn in Grizzly Hills |
| 19:55.26 | Dagmar | You know, since that outhouse is so busy all the time. |
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| 19:55.42 | NeoTron | hehe |
| 19:55.45 | NeoTron | best. quest. ever |
| 19:56.01 | NeoTron | oh man. I just realized. |
| 19:56.09 | NeoTron | With Cataclysm we might get poop quests in azeroth! |
| 19:56.18 | NeoTron | there aren't any now, right? |
| 19:56.21 | Dagmar | *snicker* |
| 19:56.22 | alestane | And probably will, more's the pity. |
| 19:57.48 | alestane | I don't have a huge problem with the fact that any exist at all, but more than two or so, well-separated, feels sophomoric in a hurry. |
| 19:58.04 | Dagmar | Hey, look at it this way |
| 19:58.16 | Dagmar | At least it's not an entire quest hub filled with metaphors for spanking it |
| 19:58.34 | alestane | i.e., "Blowing Hodir's Horn?" |
| 19:58.37 | NeoTron | but they are different, gave to give them that |
| 19:58.48 | Dagmar | I'm sure Hodir's people will find a runic knob around there soon enough |
| 19:58.52 | NeoTron | I mean one is like grass eater poop, one is bat "guano", one is your own poop.. :P |
| 19:59.16 | Dagmar | Thrusting Hodir's Spear, Polishing Hodir's Helm... |
| 19:59.22 | Dagmar | Maybe he has a pet monkey somewhere that's been bad. |
| 19:59.28 | Dagmar | That would really be the icing on the cake right there. |
| 19:59.44 | NeoTron | yeah those quests are awfully suggestive |
| 19:59.54 | NeoTron | yet with plausible denyability |
| 19:59.56 | Dagmar | Sadly, I still think it's funny |
| 20:01.35 | NeoTron | and the green hills would be better if pages were unique, and probably a bit higher drop rate |
| 20:01.52 | Dagmar | Ugh. No thanks on the unique flag |
| 20:01.57 | NeoTron | and if you could combine the chapters in your inventory (much like the quest in grizzly hills) |
| 20:02.01 | Dagmar | Sparkling corpses containing nothing are annoying |
| 20:02.06 | NeoTron | makign them quest item |
| 20:02.11 | NeoTron | like any other quest item |
| 20:02.13 | Dagmar | Plus it would mean you would HAVE to collect them all yourself |
| 20:02.16 | Fisker | wtf Jerub |
| 20:02.17 | NeoTron | sure |
| 20:02.18 | Fisker | not cool |
| 20:02.20 | Fisker | not cool |
| 20:02.24 | Dagmar | Sixteen things? |
| 20:02.28 | NeoTron | but it ouldn't be a pain to do it |
| 20:02.46 | Dagmar | It would be a pain unless they expanded the "drop chances go higher until you get it" thing |
| 20:03.10 | NeoTron | the problem today is not lack of drops |
| 20:03.10 | Dagmar | the odds would get lower with each drop that you'd get a page you didn't already have |
| 20:03.14 | NeoTron | it's duplicate drops |
| 20:03.30 | NeoTron | it should be X% chance of getting "a" page |
| 20:03.41 | NeoTron | where "a page" is defined as a page you don't have, regardless of pages already had |
| 20:03.43 | Dagmar | Yeah but you can just plonk the dupes in the AH at 15s per and be done with it, then just buy the ones you dont' have and fly back |
| 20:03.59 | NeoTron | which is a pretty retarded quest don't you think? |
| 20:04.04 | NeoTron | "in this quest, you go to the AH" |
| 20:04.08 | NeoTron | "ok, lol wtf?" |
| 20:04.15 | Dagmar | They just want the pages back. |
| 20:04.25 | Dagmar | They don't care where you get them or how. |
| 20:04.47 | Dagmar | Now, if it was a goblin giving the quest, you could be sure the AH would be forbidden. |
| 20:05.05 | Dagmar | ...or at least it would be clear why the goblin wouldn't go and pay money for them in a legitimate business transaction. |
| 20:06.53 | foxlit | "Is Jaina going to port Arthas into the ocean?" << well played. |
| 20:07.04 | alestane | ...would he care? |
| 20:07.29 | NeoTron | details aside, it's a dumb quest that could be made not dumb |
| 20:07.49 | foxlit | alestane: I'm sure it'd make his life inconvenient. |
| 20:07.57 | foxlit | Are lich kings buoyant? |
| 20:08.01 | Dagmar | It would amuse the hell out of us tho |
| 20:08.10 | Dagmar | ...seeing him slog up the beach, soaking wet. |
| 20:08.17 | Dagmar | ..and then Jaina could port him again. |
| 20:08.22 | alestane | And do they know the equivalent of Death Gate: Icecrown Citadel? |
| 20:08.34 | foxlit | Arthas has a Death Gate: Chinese Hacks. |
| 20:08.45 | NeoTron | it's lame that DK's don't get a gate to Shadow Vault |
| 20:09.04 | foxlit | He can appear practically anywhere. I mean, what are the odds of having Death Gate: Light's Hope Chapel? |
| 20:09.04 | Dagmar | You have a flying ziggurat. Be happy with it. |
| 20:09.32 | foxlit | Moonglade should go all elitist and banish the non-druids. |
| 20:10.46 | NeoTron | who the heck wants to go to moonglade anyway? :P |
| 20:11.05 | foxlit | Who'd want to go to ebon hold? :) |
| 20:11.14 | foxlit | Actually, there are a few quests. |
| 20:11.51 | NeoTron | it's closer to toc? :P |
| 20:12.06 | NeoTron | not to mention dalaran |
| 20:12.30 | foxlit | That's not Ebon Hold you're talking about :) |
| 20:12.49 | NeoTron | I was talking about Shadow Vault. it's in N icecrown. |
| 20:13.16 | Dagmar | not sure that would be easily doable since its' phased |
| 20:13.31 | Dagmar | ...although it would be pretty funny to let DKs have it at 70. |
| 20:13.47 | foxlit | gate-wrong phase-splat |
| 20:13.47 | Dagmar | Tooltip: "Don't cast this yet." |
| 20:14.33 | alestane | In conventional design, you wouldn't be able to learn it until you completed the quest chains. |
| 20:15.24 | foxlit | wow forums need category-based upvoting |
| 20:15.32 | foxlit | i.e. +1 Funny. |
| 20:15.48 | Dagmar | foxlit: Yes, because Slashdot has shown us that crowds are excellent at analyzing funny |
| 20:16.12 | Dagmar | ...as well as "insightful" posts which amount to cutting and pasting. |
| 20:16.12 | foxlit | Why yes, + 5 Funny usually is :) |
| 20:16.28 | Dagmar | Dude you could put a knock-knock joke in there and people would flag it up |
| 20:16.33 | Dagmar | All it takes is five retards with a mouse. |
| 20:16.55 | Cide | and the rest of the internet to not downvote it |
| 20:16.58 | foxlit | I was under the impression meta-moderation takes care of that. |
| 20:17.17 | Dagmar | Guess who is meta-moderating. |
| 20:17.21 | Dagmar | More retards. |
| 20:17.43 | foxlit | Collectively approved retards, however. |
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| 20:18.02 | Dagmar | foxlit: Right so, what do you think the retard quotient is on Slashdot compared to the WoW forums? |
| 20:18.13 | Dagmar | I don't think WoW comes out with fewer retards |
| 20:18.17 | foxlit | Honestly, I have no clue. |
| 20:18.30 | foxlit | If it turned out to be more noisy, I'd suggest adding correlation to your own rating |
| 20:18.47 | foxlit | "People who thought the posts you thought were funny were funny also thought that X was funny" |
| 20:19.05 | Cide | you're under the impression that what's generally perceived as funny isn't what the general populous says is funny |
| 20:19.34 | Cide | but that's pretty much the same thing |
| 20:19.45 | Dagmar | I'm thinking that qualifiers tend towards the lowest common denominator |
| 20:20.04 | Dagmar | ...who are completely unsuited for recognizing things which are actually noteworthy. |
| 20:20.11 | Cide | hence, retards or not, if you disagree you're the one with the differing sense of humor, not the rest (or "retards" as you call them) |
| 20:20.25 | Cide | so your definition of funny is different from the average person |
| 20:21.01 | Dagmar | My definition of "insightful" on the other hand is dictionary accurate. |
| 20:21.30 | Dagmar | Yet regularly I see posts on /. flagged up to +5 for that which contain less insight than the average bathroom scrawl. |
| 20:21.44 | Dagmar | Limericks included. |
| 20:21.48 | Cide | whether or not X is insightful is hardly universal |
| 20:22.01 | Cide | but I can agree to an extent |
| 20:22.09 | Dagmar | When someone simply restates what the original posting was without adding new information, it's not insightful. |
| 20:22.24 | Cide | that said, it's incorrect to say that the general public can't determine what the general public finds funny |
| 20:22.38 | Dagmar | Idiot meta-moderators see such things and say "LOL IT R SUMTHING" and then click it up |
| 20:22.39 | NightHawkTheSane | the general public can't determine anything |
| 20:22.42 | Cide | they can more so than any other group, but you personally may not find it funny |
| 20:23.20 | Dagmar | The wisdowm of the crowds only works in for discerning correct singular answers from many |
| 20:23.24 | Dagmar | They fail utterly at qualifiers. |
| 20:23.29 | Dagmar | ...and quantifiers most of the time. |
| 20:23.54 | foxlit | I wonder why pallypower is still alive. |
| 20:24.03 | Dagmar | The bubble |
| 20:24.06 | foxlit | It can't be it's charming looks and stellar design. |
| 20:24.12 | foxlit | -' |
| 20:27.14 | NeoTron | foxlit: because it works? |
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| 20:45.26 | Thunder_Child | stupid questions "If I made an unnoticed mistake at work, I would tell someone" |
| 20:46.04 | zenzelezz | are you asking if we would? |
| 20:46.31 | Thunder_Child | the question itself is impossible unless you made asumptions |
| 20:47.08 | foxlit | That does not appear to be phrased like a question :) |
| 20:47.11 | zenzelezz | well your sentence didn't contain a question |
| 20:47.17 | zenzelezz | what foxlit said |
| 20:47.38 | kdtresh | it's probably one of the "somewhat agree, neither agree nor disagree, etc" type 'questions' |
| 20:47.45 | Thunder_Child | it comes with an "Agree/Disagee" section |
| 20:48.33 | foxlit | Those tests are generally silly |
| 20:49.05 | kdtresh | it's frustrating here because they're still making us do our self appraisals even though we have no chance at a raise |
| 20:49.10 | foxlit | Talisman of Resurgence seems like an odd trinket. |
| 20:49.13 | kdtresh | and they're forcing us to furlough for a week anyway |
| 20:49.24 | foxlit | Do I really want that int? |
| 20:49.29 | NeoTron | kdtresh: to make sure they shouldn't fire you of course |
| 20:50.10 | kdtresh | NeoTron: i have PEOPLE skills |
| 20:50.30 | NeoTron | as in you're a professional killer? |
| 20:51.00 | kdtresh | you think i'd disclose that in IRC? |
| 20:51.04 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 20:51.11 | kdtresh | has no comment. |
| 20:51.13 | Thunder_Child | necause no one would belive you anyway |
| 20:51.18 | Thunder_Child | because* |
| 20:51.19 | NeoTron | but really, is that question a trick question Thunder_Child ? |
| 20:51.34 | NightHawkTheSane | i make unnoticed mistakes at work all the time. |
| 20:51.36 | Thunder_Child | no NeoTron, that was an actual question |
| 20:51.42 | NightHawkTheSane | I dont tell people every time i write a bug and fix it thirty seconds later |
| 20:51.44 | NeoTron | "If I murdered someone, I would tell the police" [Agree][Disagree][WHO SAID I MUDERED SOMEONE] |
| 20:51.56 | NightHawkTheSane | whoever wrote that is not a software dev :P |
| 20:52.05 | NeoTron | it's like the "are you a terrorist" question syou answer when entering the US |
| 20:52.08 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, my point is, is that if it is unnoticed, you could not fix it since you did not notice it |
| 20:52.19 | Thunder_Child | unless you make asumptions |
| 20:52.36 | NeoTron | you assume they mean you ddin't notice. they clearly meant if no one else noticed |
| 20:52.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: well, its a safe assumption that the question really means "unnoticed by others" |
| 20:52.39 | NightHawkTheSane | but yeah, you have a point |
| 20:53.24 | Thunder_Child | NeoTron, no, you have to assume that they mean others. litteraly it would mean anyone. |
| 20:53.48 | foxlit | NeoTron: [, I'LL MURDER THEM TOO] |
| 20:54.34 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: it's a safe assumption, since you cannot tell anyone if you haven't noticed :) |
| 20:54.49 | Thunder_Child | thats my point foxlit |
| 20:54.50 | NeoTron | even so Thunder_Child, it's clearly a question you agree with |
| 20:54.57 | NeoTron | it's like an iq test |
| 20:56.41 | Thunder_Child | all i am saying is that without assumptions it is a silly question. and despite its obviousness, people. are. stupid. |
| 20:56.47 | kdtresh | it's asking if you'd accept responsibility for something nobody had pinned on you already |
| 20:57.08 | kdtresh | if it was your fault |
| 20:57.22 | foxlit | "I will answer those questions honestly" [Agree / Disagree] |
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| 20:58.42 | NeoTron | foxlit: all that need is [Agree] |
| 20:58.53 | kdtresh | if i work my butt off and initech ships a few more units, i will see another dime. [agree/disagree] |
| 20:59.02 | NeoTron | either you will answer honestly, and you [Agree] or you wont, and you [Agree] since you're lying anyway |
| 21:01.19 | foxlit | NeoTron: I was considering several options, but I couldn't find a plausible self-contradictory question. |
| 21:01.36 | foxlit | "I have stopped slacking during work hours" [Agree / Disagree] |
| 21:05.44 | foxlit | "[What's] Santa Claus multiplied by i?" |
| 21:05.54 | foxlit | "Well I guess that makes him real" |
| 21:07.25 | Dagmar | kdthresh: Fail |
| 21:07.50 | Dagmar | kdthresh: If there's a pay freeze on, and you can't get fired, give yourself a horrible assessment. |
| 21:08.07 | Dagmar | This leaves you room for much improvement during the next one when it might be worth money. |
| 21:08.22 | Dagmar | Well, maybe not horrible, but at least average. |
| 21:09.41 | kdtresh | i imagine a lot of the reviews will be straight down the line "acceptable" |
| 21:09.53 | kdtresh | or "meets expectations" |
| 21:09.58 | Dagmar | Smart people. |
| 21:10.36 | Dagmar | Me, I'm feeling a little stupid for being hte one guy busting his ass here when ther'es a pay freeze on |
| 21:10.56 | Dagmar | It's time I let some things I'm not specifically responsible for slide so some of these guys can burn their fingers on them. |
| 21:11.15 | Dagmar | Things like "where the hell do these five ethernet cables connected to this mail server go?" |
| 21:11.25 | Dagmar | It |
| 21:11.37 | Dagmar | It's supposed to be updated when someone changes them. This isn't happening. |
| 21:11.56 | Dagmar | It's time someone other than me digs around through the mess to figure it out |
| 21:12.04 | Dagmar | ...and they'll get to do it with a time limit, too. :) |
| 21:12.09 | kdtresh | they laid off our purchasing officer in the last round of layoffs, so now IT is in charge of cell phones |
| 21:12.17 | kdtresh | and we upgraded to voip, so we're in charge of desk phones too |
| 21:12.19 | Dagmar | ouch |
| 21:12.39 | kdtresh | and by "we" i really mean me |
| 21:12.46 | kdtresh | because my boss has delegated it all to me |
| 21:12.57 | kdtresh | but he's sure to personally handle any of the problems the execs have |
| 21:13.28 | Dagmar | Hehe I see opportunity for extra fun |
| 21:13.33 | kdtresh | and by "handle" i mean "pass to me and take credit for fixing" |
| 21:13.53 | Dagmar | oof |
| 21:14.06 | kdtresh | his latest habit is to call me and ask me if i can help him with something |
| 21:14.16 | kdtresh | i go to help him, and he says he has a meeting and leaves |
| 21:15.10 | kdtresh | so now i have to specifically ask him, "now, when you say 'help you' do you actually mean help you, or do you mean i do it?" |
| 21:15.41 | Dagmar | So how much vacation time do you have built up there? :) |
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| 21:15.46 | kdtresh | not enough >< |
| 21:15.52 | Dagmar | Aw darn |
| 21:15.54 | kdtresh | we're a big, unhappy, dysfunctional family |
| 21:17.13 | kdtresh | at least we're getting into the holiday season, lots of days off |
| 21:17.31 | Dagmar | Meh. For you. |
| 21:17.36 | Dagmar | Datacenters are *always* open |
| 21:17.53 | Thunder_Child | unless they are closed |
| 21:17.59 | Dagmar | I may pick up a few extra shifts if I can clear my personal schedule. |
| 21:18.11 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: If the datacenter is closed, it's time to look for a new job |
| 21:18.22 | Dagmar | The internets are always on here. |
| 21:18.58 | kdtresh | i suppose in some ways i'm lucky, we're "quasi-governmental" and everybody is overtime exempt |
| 21:19.09 | kdtresh | so at 5:01, the building is pretty much empty |
| 21:21.09 | foxlit | wow, awesome news story |
| 21:21.30 | foxlit | "Ununderstandable math receives award" |
| 21:23.59 | foxlit | "(Mathematician) receives (prize) for (stuff that us ordinary humans can't undestand)." |
| 21:26.24 | kdtresh | sounds like obama and the peace prize |
| 21:27.02 | Dagmar | Some people need some serious bitch slapping |
| 21:27.15 | Dagmar | CNN is full of assholes trash talking Obama for getting this Nobel today. |
| 21:27.27 | Dagmar | ...and it's pretty obvious most of them don't even know what the criteria for a Nobel are. |
| 21:27.48 | kdtresh | cnn is usually square in obama's corner, aren't they? |
| 21:27.54 | Dagmar | Not really |
| 21:28.50 | Dagmar | Mostly they cover what's going on, but today there's a whole lotta vocal dimwits posting things places, and they're covering it |
| 21:29.34 | Dagmar | The people they pay that are in the business of trash talking people typically settle for picking on trailer trash and single mothers. |
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| 21:30.50 | Dagmar | You know, like Mike Galanos and Nancy Grace... they won't touch this sort of stuff. |
| 21:31.10 | Dagmar | Glen Beck on the other hand, I think it's a given that if his mouth is open, he's saying something idiotic. |
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| 21:32.45 | kdtresh | everything is like commentary now, it's not just reporting |
| 21:33.26 | kdtresh | it's "reporting" with a few undesireable pieces omitted or a few unnecessary pieces added |
| 21:33.58 | Dagmar | Mainly I think they've gone straight to "making things up" |
| 21:34.11 | Dagmar | Mike Galanos in particular. LIke that "teen pregnancy club" nonsense |
| 21:34.34 | Dagmar | They spent three full days being horrified and speculating wildly on the basis of less than five minutes of bullshit one girl spun to them for a joke. |
| 21:34.44 | Dagmar | Not bothering to fact check *any* of what they were tlaking about |
| 21:35.32 | Dagmar | There was also that professor in NC whose family was murdered and he was nowhere to be found. |
| 21:35.59 | Dagmar | They spent that whole day and evening talking about how he probably did it, to the degree that the school he worked for had an emergency meeting just to fire him on Saturday |
| 21:36.22 | Dagmar | Of course, when he was found two weeks later, deep in the woods... |
| 21:36.32 | Dagmar | ...dead... naked... and buried... |
| 21:36.46 | Dagmar | They didn't bother to retract any of the speculation they made. |
| 21:36.47 | NightHawkTheSane | he sure was sorry he got fired.. |
| 21:37.08 | kdtresh | when you can't find the facts, make up some interesting ones to keep people watching |
| 21:37.15 | NightHawkTheSane | when has the modern news media ever apologized for any of the idiotic things they say? |
| 21:37.36 | Dagmar | Yeah well, there was that little hapa girl who committed suicide after Nancy Grace accused her of killing her own baby on the live interview |
| 21:37.48 | kdtresh | they're no longer news, most of it is commentary and opinion |
| 21:37.57 | Ycarene | lua> ("this is just [ck-ae"):match("%[ck%-(..)$") |
| 21:37.57 | lua_bot | Ycarene: ae |
| 21:38.17 | Ycarene | lua> ("this is just [ck-dv [ck-ae"):match("%[ck%-(..)$") |
| 21:38.17 | lua_bot | Ycarene: ae |
| 21:38.25 | NightHawkTheSane | kdtresh: its called sensationalism :P |
| 21:38.38 | Dagmar | It looks like they threw that Mitchell woman on in a pinch to keep Grace from saying anything else stupid, but now she's doing the same sort of crazy speculating |
| 21:38.40 | kdtresh | gotta do what sells |
| 21:38.40 | NightHawkTheSane | never let the facts get in the way of a good story |
| 21:38.57 | kdtresh | like the line from chicago, "nothing beats fresh blood on the walls" |
| 21:39.12 | Dagmar | That little asian girl who disappeared from the college labs last month... They actually mentioned that a fire alarm was pulled at about the same time the girl would have gone missing. |
| 21:39.28 | Dagmar | One of their talking heads dismissed it as prankery, and they went back to talking up the "runaway bride" idea. |
| 21:39.41 | Dagmar | How effing stupid do you have to be to miss that obvious correlation, I'd like to know. |
| 21:39.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: dumb enough to work on national television |
| 21:39.55 | Dagmar | If yer being chased by someone who wants to kill you, you pull fire alarms |
| 21:40.13 | kdtresh | sports broadcasters are the same way |
| 21:40.43 | kdtresh | they go out of their way to declare so-and-so "the best <noun> of our generation" |
| 21:41.13 | kdtresh | it's not quite as graphic and potentially psychologically damaging, but it is as asinine |
| 21:41.38 | Dagmar | Yeah but they don't ever go so far as to claim that it's probably from steroid abuse, even though that appears to be the trend |
| 21:42.11 | Dagmar | If I ever wind up being mentioned on CNN, I'm going to make damn sure I call them up make it clear if they say anythign that's not fact, I'll sue |
| 21:42.41 | kdtresh | i like how twitter is suddently a primary source for everything now |
| 21:43.11 | kdtresh | "breaking news, from t.o.'s twitter!" |
| 21:43.22 | kdtresh | "corroborated by shaq and lebron james, via twitter" |
| 21:43.30 | Dagmar | hehehe |
| 21:43.48 | kdtresh | i guess when half the stuff is unintelligible gibberish, you can infer whatever meaning you want from it and attribute it to them |
| 21:43.59 | Dagmar | They're getting pissed about that from a "we need to sell commercials, and for that, people need to ONLY HEAR IT FROM US!" |
| 21:44.30 | kdtresh | and espn now has official "bloggers" who call in and do phone interviews, how does that work? |
| 21:45.15 | Ycarene | lua> ("this is just [ck-dv [ck-ae"):match("%[ck%-(..)") |
| 21:45.15 | lua_bot | Ycarene: dv |
| 21:45.45 | Arrowmaster | its called capitalism, when somebody thinks they can exploit some new trend or fad to make a quick buck they exploit the hell out of it until its just a hollow shell of what it used to be |
| 21:45.47 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (n=mpdelbuo@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik) |
| 21:45.47 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 21:46.18 | Shirik | unacceptable |
| 21:46.34 | kdtresh | that's what she said |
| 21:56.15 | NightHawkTheSane | hah, http://imgur.com/LMk9h.jpg |
| 21:57.55 | Ycarene | I swear the plural of combination is combinations, but firefox's spell check is telling me that I'm an idiot. |
| 21:59.35 | NightHawkTheSane | OBEY THE FIREFOX. |
| 21:59.39 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: ahah. go google "why can't re" |
| 21:59.49 | NeoTron | and you'll see a few more fun ones |
| 21:59.57 | Thrae | Ycarene: Firefox uses Aspell's dictionary I believe which is not all inclusive, and there's sometimes different plurals for the same word. |
| 22:00.41 | foxlit | Wonder why recount is totally ignoring totc fights :/ |
| 22:01.07 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: heh, indeed |
| 22:03.20 | Thrae | Ycarene: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/combination says you're correct. |
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| 22:06.51 | *** join/#wowuidev Lopeppeppy (n=Lopeppep@cpe-67-246-40-12.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 22:06.51 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 22:07.36 | zenzelezz | snuggles Lopeppeppy |
| 22:07.48 | Lopeppeppy | re-hello! |
| 22:07.50 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 22:07.53 | Lopeppeppy | Hi hi |
| 22:08.48 | Cairenn | http://www.kungfugrippe.com/post/204206094/are-we-too-old-to-trick-or-treat-ask-metafilter hahahaha, this is great |
| 22:09.29 | Thunder_Child | that is awesome |
| 22:09.35 | Lopeppeppy | Awesome. |
| 22:09.45 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn, care to join me for some Morgan's? |
| 22:09.50 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: god yes |
| 22:09.56 | Cairenn | spiced, white or dark? |
| 22:10.04 | Lopeppeppy | spiced, with cherry coke |
| 22:10.12 | Dagmar | *drool* |
| 22:10.13 | kdtresh | private stock? |
| 22:10.14 | Cairenn | regular coke for me, please :) |
| 22:10.26 | Lopeppeppy | could do ya for regular. :) |
| 22:10.33 | Cairenn | :) |
| 22:10.34 | Lopeppeppy | kdtresh, no, just off the shelf basic normal. |
| 22:10.48 | Lopeppeppy | When I drink rum, it is in QUANTITY. Quality is for other drinks. |
| 22:11.03 | Cairenn | helps herself to a double |
| 22:11.17 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: that is funny |
| 22:11.29 | kdtresh | Lopeppeppy: what do you think of sailor? |
| 22:11.43 | Lopeppeppy | I think the song is what do I DO with a drunken sailor. |
| 22:12.01 | kdtresh | i was referring to sailor jerry specifically |
| 22:12.39 | Lopeppeppy | I don't know this sailor. Does he wear a uniform? That features heavily in my decision. |
| 22:12.49 | Lopeppeppy | If it were the sone, I prefer putting him in the scuppers with a hosepipe on him. |
| 22:13.16 | kdtresh | http://sailorjerry.com/index.php |
| 22:13.50 | kdtresh | it's like captain, but 92 proof and usually quite a bit cheaper |
| 22:14.09 | Lopeppeppy | Don't know if we carry it. I go straight for the bottle with Slouken on it, every time. |
| 22:15.43 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 22:15.51 | Shirik | huggles Cairenn too |
| 22:16.00 | Cairenn | huggles Shirik right back |
| 22:18.16 | Shirik | Cairenn seems like the kind of person that would like aion |
| 22:19.00 | zenzelezz | are you calling Cairenn a freak? |
| 22:19.12 | Lopeppeppy | No, she's awesome |
| 22:19.28 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: I was making a joke about Aion |
| 22:19.35 | Cairenn | :) |
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| 22:19.56 | NeoTron | I realized why I didn't end up liking aion |
| 22:20.04 | NeoTron | not the grind or "slow" leveling or anything |
| 22:20.06 | Tarnovo | Hello everyone. |
| 22:20.22 | zenzelezz | hi |
| 22:20.24 | NeoTron | simply combat was uninteresting to me. it took long to kill a mob but that'd been fine it was actually fun doing it |
| 22:22.13 | Cairenn | the reason I haven't gotten into it is because of the heavy PvP focus |
| 22:22.16 | Lopeppeppy | is aion freaky? |
| 22:22.34 | NeoTron | Cairenn: I never got to the point where PvP mattered or in fact was even posible |
| 22:22.37 | Antiarc | Aion was fun to me, until I hit level 18 and ran bone-dry on solo content |
| 22:22.37 | Tarnovo | How would i get about finding out the players orientation in the world? |
| 22:22.42 | NeoTron | but yes, the pvp endgame didn't entice me |
| 22:22.51 | Lopeppeppy | Tarnovo, you mean, which way they are facing? |
| 22:22.55 | NeoTron | Antiarc: but killing mobs endlessly is fun |
| 22:23.02 | Antiarc | GetPlayerFacing() |
| 22:23.29 | Antiarc | Note that that is their character's facing, not their camera's facing |
| 22:23.39 | Antiarc | There's no way to get the camera facing, to my mild annoyance |
| 22:23.52 | Antiarc | Having access to a camera view matrix would make me very happy |
| 22:24.04 | Tarnovo | Yes, Lopeppeppy. |
| 22:24.12 | Tarnovo | Oh and thanks Antiarc :) |
| 22:24.13 | Lopeppeppy | What Antiarc said. |
| 22:25.08 | zenzelezz | hm, Obama winning the peace prize now at 1400 comments on Slashdot... apparently people have a lot of strong feelings about this |
| 22:25.26 | Lopeppeppy | politics, it's what's for dinner |
| 22:25.40 | Antiarc | Reddit by and large is not happy about it, and Reddit is very liberal |
| 22:25.45 | smcn | the question is, WHY, why the fuck are people NOW caring about the god damn nobel peace prize |
| 22:25.47 | Antiarc | It really does look like it's political asskissing. |
| 22:25.50 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: normal political stories either don't make Slashdot, or they don't get many comments |
| 22:26.33 | zenzelezz | the Nobel committee seemed to say it was to encourage him (and the international political leaders) to follow through with what he's started (better relations and crap) |
| 22:26.53 | ScytheBlade1 | that'd make sense |
| 22:29.02 | Dagmar | smcn: They're caring about it now because it gives them a chance to do what they've been doing... Poo-pooing everything Obama and everything the democratic party is trying to do |
| 22:29.21 | Torhal | So now the Nobel isn't won on merit - it's a big fucking "attaboy!"? |
| 22:29.23 | Dagmar | This is why the people carping about him getting the Nobel sound like idiots. |
| 22:29.33 | Tarnovo | time to learn frame design me thinks. |
| 22:29.34 | Dagmar | To hear these idiots tell it it is |
| 22:29.56 | foxlit | The nobel peace prize has always been controversial. |
| 22:29.57 | Shirik | zenzelezz: I like Aion |
| 22:30.02 | Shirik | Cairenn: I see. I enjoy PvP a lot so |
| 22:30.15 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: It's not "freaky" I don't know where that was coming from >.> |
| 22:30.16 | Dagmar | Yeah but Obama ground his diplomacy skill to 400 even before winning the election |
| 22:30.17 | Cairenn | and I hate it, so ... |
| 22:30.21 | Shirik | :( |
| 22:30.28 | Shirik | I would protect you Cairenn! |
| 22:30.36 | Cairenn | huggles Shirik some more |
| 22:30.39 | Lopeppeppy | Oh noes, protect me Shirik! |
| 22:30.43 | Thunder_Child | quietly gags in a corner |
| 22:30.45 | Shirik | :3 |
| 22:30.54 | NeoTron | Shirik: out of curiosity, level/class/craft? :P |
| 22:30.59 | zenzelezz | Shirik: did you miss the part where I said I was making a joke? |
| 22:31.06 | Shirik | I started yesterday leave me alone NeoTron :( |
| 22:31.18 | Shirik | 12 Cleric |
| 22:31.19 | Lopeppeppy | TC, you'll notice who gets the girl love in this channel? *laugh* |
| 22:31.20 | NeoTron | as so not yet... "there" :P |
| 22:31.37 | NeoTron | got any good offers to buy kinah yet? |
| 22:31.38 | A-KO | These are interesting times for the world, I think Obama deserves it. We've had some increasing political tension around the world, it certainly isn't helping that economies have fallen apart all over. Jobless rates are up. In addition to that, some countries that 30 years ago were nothing more than our dumping grounds are now starting to rise above us economically. The internet, the fast communication, these are tense times....(not to sound all dramatic or |
| 22:31.39 | Shirik | But I generally get very involved in korean mmos |
| 22:31.41 | Shirik | so |
| 22:31.48 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, i see that more as 'cooing' than love |
| 22:31.55 | Shirik | You mean RMT, NeoTron? |
| 22:32.02 | foxlit | A-KO: cutoff at "all dramatic or" |
| 22:32.02 | NeoTron | yeah. drove me nuts |
| 22:32.05 | Shirik | It's not too bad |
| 22:32.09 | Shirik | only about 1 spam every 5 minutes |
| 22:32.11 | A-KO | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:32.15 | Shirik | :P |
| 22:32.19 | NeoTron | I know you can block them, until the list fills up (which by my estimation would be less than 2 weeks) |
| 22:32.21 | Shirik | Actually I just turned my public channel off |
| 22:32.31 | Shirik | I don't get many whispers |
| 22:32.35 | Shirik | about as bad as WoW |
| 22:32.38 | NeoTron | see turning the public channels, LFG especially, off doesn't really work when you need to find groups |
| 22:32.50 | Shirik | ah see, I'm playing with a very old group of friends |
| 22:32.50 | kdtresh | A-KO: there's a woman who lives near me who has spent the last 30 years of her life collecting food for families that can't afford it. i think she's much more deserving |
| 22:32.50 | Lopeppeppy | Do not doubt my lurv for Shirik! RAWR! |
| 22:32.50 | Shirik | so |
| 22:32.53 | Shirik | not a problem for me :) |
| 22:33.17 | NeoTron | you have 6 ppl (or more) that will be around your level? |
| 22:33.25 | Lopeppeppy | He protected me at Blizcon, he's my hero. |
| 22:33.29 | Shirik | I can |
| 22:33.32 | Shirik | right now I'm only with one other |
| 22:33.40 | Shirik | in fact the only reason I' mnot playing right now is because she's not on... |
| 22:33.52 | Lopeppeppy | Awwww. *wink* |
| 22:33.57 | Shirik | what |
| 22:34.01 | Shirik | I don't want to get out of sync |
| 22:34.02 | A-KO | kdtresh: There are lots of people all in their small ways help the world around them. Even I, whom give water and leftover food to the homeless and the poor when others would spit on them if it were legal.....but it is rare when someone gets into power and actually does something meaningful with it, with good intentions. |
| 22:34.04 | Shirik | I don't know wtf I'm doing |
| 22:34.11 | Shirik | and she's leveled to 20 like.... 10 times now |
| 22:34.12 | Shirik | so |
| 22:34.18 | NeoTron | I played cleric too, to level 20 |
| 22:34.19 | Lopeppeppy | I know what I'm doing, diving into too much rum. |
| 22:34.35 | NeoTron | I did the group quests as the sole or shared (with chanter) healer and it was so... boring |
| 22:34.35 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy is having happy hour? |
| 22:34.36 | kdtresh | A-KO: but is the award for actually doing it, or just talking about or pleding to do it? |
| 22:34.43 | NeoTron | I mean it was a mix between boring and wtftanksdying |
| 22:34.46 | A-KO | kdtresh: I've helped give computers and education to people who could never in their lives afford it--forever connecting them and changing them in ways that right now you could never possibly foresee. |
| 22:35.04 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I'm having Unhappy Hour! |
| 22:35.07 | Shirik | :( |
| 22:35.10 | Shirik | why |
| 22:35.26 | Lopeppeppy | TKFT crap. This too shall pass. |
| 22:35.59 | NeoTron | Shirik: whatever I disliked about aion, I didn't mind the leveling speed at all |
| 22:36.08 | A-KO | kdtresh: He has already done some things. He opened for a voice of communication between Iran and the US--and he derailed a missile shield in Europe that would have further raised tensions. In the political climate we've had for the past decade of "shoot first, ask questions later"--it speaks a lot. Obama just happened to be in the unique position to do something about it. Not saying that there aren't people that wouldn't have done more, because there certai |
| 22:36.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: rum is good, though |
| 22:36.21 | NeoTron | it was fine. Just not a game I'd ever make an alt in (and at level 20 I didn't even consider rerolling, would be too annoying) |
| 22:36.23 | Shirik | NeoTron: Yeah it's not bad at all |
| 22:36.27 | Shirik | especially for a korean game |
| 22:36.33 | Lopeppeppy | Rum is very good. It will be gone tomorrow, and I will be soooooooo hung over. |
| 22:36.43 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, TKFT? |
| 22:36.45 | Tarnovo | OK guys i need to ask something very basic about XML. |
| 22:36.46 | Tarnovo | http://pastebin.com/d3651b547 |
| 22:37.11 | kdtresh | A-KO: i think it would be much more appropriate in the future than it is at this time |
| 22:37.12 | Tarnovo | that code was generated by addon studio but i dont want the transparent background or the border. all i want is a solid colored box. |
| 22:37.16 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.33 | Tarnovo | what can i safely strip from that code? (im VERY new to Frame design) |
| 22:37.46 | Shirik | NeoTron: Anything "trivial" or "considered easy" in a Korean MMO is highly unusual |
| 22:38.29 | Shirik | example: With level cap of 50, at level 30 in a game I used to play with these people, a group of 8 people working together for an entire day would get about 5% XP |
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| 22:38.31 | Shirik | on a good day |
| 22:38.35 | Shirik | 1 death = -20% XP |
| 22:38.54 | NeoTron | see THAT is way way way too far for me to consider remotely fun |
| 22:38.58 | NeoTron | is that Lineage? :P |
| 22:39.03 | Shirik | RF Online |
| 22:39.17 | Shirik | They eventually adjusted the game, but only in the NA version |
| 22:39.19 | NeoTron | and I assume working together = killing mobs mindlessly |
| 22:39.23 | Shirik | and they didn't adjust it that much |
| 22:39.24 | Shirik | yes |
| 22:39.25 | Arrowmaster | lineage2 was similar |
| 22:39.32 | Shirik | I don't have a problem with it |
| 22:39.34 | Shirik | the game is not a PvE game |
| 22:39.35 | A-KO | kdtresh: I think anything that encourages the US to be a leader in this world, a leader by good example, is a step in the right direction--no matter which way you want to spin it. |
| 22:39.42 | NeoTron | I do wonder, what kind of society is it when that is the norm and accepted by a majority? |
| 22:39.43 | Shirik | you were not meant to get to the cap |
| 22:39.48 | NeoTron | how much time do people have? |
| 22:39.53 | Tarnovo | =( |
| 22:39.54 | Shirik | I had a lot of fun |
| 22:39.57 | Shirik | and I was not the only one |
| 22:40.04 | Shirik | there was work to do, sure, but it was fun |
| 22:40.11 | Shirik | I can't stand games where everyone can do everything with no work |
| 22:40.23 | NeoTron | but crafting in Aion, to mention an example |
| 22:40.25 | Arrowmaster | guessing the fun came from the interactions with other people? |
| 22:40.31 | Dagmar | hhahaha |
| 22:40.33 | NeoTron | it's just not "work" it's a huge amount of real life time where you do nothig |
| 22:40.35 | Shirik | basically true, yes Arrowmaster |
| 22:40.42 | Shirik | but the PvP was great too |
| 22:40.54 | Arrowmaster | which is why the game is so hard, to force grouping |
| 22:40.56 | Shirik | The PvP was constructed in such a way that, 1v1, it was impossible to kill someone, even 15 levels below you |
| 22:41.05 | Shirik | But |
| 22:41.12 | Shirik | Every 8 hours there is a huge battle that everyone attends |
| 22:41.15 | Shirik | think 300v300v300 |
| 22:41.23 | Shirik | Group PvP is a necessity |
| 22:41.28 | Shirik | a solid group will do extremely well |
| 22:41.47 | Arrowmaster | mmo's live and die on group play |
| 22:41.48 | Shirik | I was one of the "race leaders" which originally were determined by CP (think Honor I guess), and later by voting |
| 22:41.55 | Tarnovo | http://pastebin.com/d3651b547 Guys what can i safely delete from that code to leave me with just a solid color and no border? |
| 22:41.57 | Shirik | I had fun leading the masses of people :) |
| 22:42.11 | Arrowmaster | grouping is what makes it fun and also what kills it when you either cant get groups or you dislike the people in the groups you get |
| 22:42.18 | Shirik | sure |
| 22:42.26 | Shirik | and I will be the first person to say it's not for everyone |
| 22:42.28 | Shirik | hell, it's not for most |
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| 22:46.56 | Tarnovo | Dammit =( |
| 22:48.18 | Lopeppeppy | Janet |
| 22:48.39 | Aqua | aion == biggest waiste of 60 bucks for me |
| 22:48.56 | Aqua | bah, ignore my spelling |
| 22:49.12 | Shirik | 60? |
| 22:49.22 | Aqua | I bought the collectors |
| 22:49.24 | Shirik | ah |
| 22:49.25 | Aqua | thinking i would like it |
| 22:49.29 | Shirik | anyway, you didn't try it? |
| 22:49.37 | jpmorgan | anyoone else think eve online is like playing excel? |
| 22:49.39 | Shirik | I would be nervous about buying any korean mmo if I haven't played it first |
| 22:49.45 | Shirik | s/it/one/ |
| 22:49.50 | Shirik | playing excel? |
| 22:49.53 | Aqua | I played it for about a week |
| 22:49.54 | Shirik | like the spreadsheet? |
| 22:49.57 | jpmorgan | yah |
| 22:49.59 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 22:50.08 | Aqua | EVE is like using Excel for hours on end |
| 22:50.19 | jpmorgan | my point exactly |
| 22:50.26 | Aqua | Aion was just missing something |
| 22:50.40 | Aqua | and i didnt' care for the chain spells stuff |
| 22:50.54 | batrick | I found Shirik's new shirt: http://www.zazzle.com/c_programmer_t_shirt-235669979971468332 |
| 22:51.11 | Shirik | should be catch(...) |
| 22:51.12 | Shirik | but lol |
| 22:51.18 | Shirik | actually |
| 22:51.23 | Shirik | I want to hurt whomever made that shirt |
| 22:51.29 | Shirik | because it was obviously written by a bad C++ programmer |
| 22:51.37 | batrick | it was me :( |
| 22:51.42 | Shirik | ! |
| 22:51.43 | batrick | hurt my feelings shirik |
| 22:51.43 | foxlit | "It's an " << "abomination" |
| 22:51.44 | Shirik | you are bad! |
| 22:51.50 | batrick | No i'm just kidding |
| 22:51.52 | Shirik | 1. Do not use 'using namespace std;' |
| 22:51.58 | batrick | when I write in C++ I write in C :) |
| 22:52.10 | Shirik | 2. Never catch exceptions by non-const reference |
| 22:52.22 | Shirik | 3. If you want to catch everything, use ... not std::exception& |
| 22:53.07 | Aqua | that shirt is terrible, they do need to be shot |
| 22:54.43 | Aqua | Why don't we just call "Hello World" a legit program |
| 22:55.07 | Aqua | and don't even say what i think your going to say.... |
| 22:55.31 | Thunder_Child | this one is even worse http://www.zazzle.com/c_programmer_light_bulb_joke_tshirt-235989008558862545 |
| 22:55.33 | Shirik | why isn't it a program? |
| 22:55.43 | Shirik | I can't see the back of that Thunder_Child |
| 22:55.49 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, yes you can |
| 22:55.52 | Thunder_Child | at the bottom |
| 22:55.57 | Thunder_Child | is the option to switch |
| 22:56.05 | Shirik | nope |
| 22:56.12 | Thunder_Child | do you have NS on? |
| 22:56.18 | Shirik | zazzle is a horribly designed POS that doesn't work with Chrome |
| 22:57.16 | foxlit | I searched for "C" and all I got was anti-obama merchandise. :/ |
| 22:57.40 | Aqua | wait, i thought thats what you got when you searched for nobel peace prize? |
| 22:58.06 | p3lim | Im having a table which contains this key+value: [55503] = 'Test' |
| 22:58.24 | p3lim | Though nothing happens when I do table.remove(t, 55503) |
| 22:58.42 | foxlit | I thought Cide solved this earlier? |
| 22:58.57 | foxlit | lua> t = {[42]="x"}; table.remove(t, 42); print(t[42]); |
| 22:58.58 | lua_bot | foxlit: x |
| 22:58.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Aqua: thats pretty much what you get when you esarch for anything these days |
| 22:59.16 | foxlit | You cannot use table.remove unless you have a continuos array. |
| 22:59.18 | jpmorgan | hahaha if you have never seen flintlocke's wow comics: http://pc.gamespy.com/articles/578/578734p1.html |
| 23:00.01 | Lopeppeppy | Flintlocke kicks ass |
| 23:00.01 | p3lim | which means? (my english aint perfect) |
| 23:00.01 | Shirik | actually foxlit |
| 23:00.01 | Shirik | that's not supposed to be true |
| 23:01.00 | foxlit | Shirik: I don't see why you'd say that :) |
| 23:01.12 | Shirik | because the manual says it removes the element, period |
| 23:01.14 | foxlit | p3lim: you shouldn't use that function; assign nil to that key directly. |
| 23:01.21 | Shirik | I agree you should just assign nil |
| 23:01.30 | Shirik | but the manual doesn't agree that it should fail to remove the element |
| 23:01.30 | p3lim | the whole point in the table is that the key is a spell id and the value is a spellname |
| 23:01.32 | foxlit | "Most functions in the table library assume that the table represents an array or a list." |
| 23:01.42 | Shirik | so what :P |
| 23:01.44 | foxlit | If it's not, you're in the here-be-dragons land. |
| 23:01.59 | Shirik | read the next sentence |
| 23:02.02 | Shirik | there is only one requirement that implies |
| 23:02.09 | Shirik | "Most functions in the table library assume that the table represents an array or a list. For these functions, when we talk about the "length" of a table we mean the result of the length operator." |
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| 23:02.24 | Shirik | table.remove (table [, pos]) |
| 23:02.25 | Shirik | Removes from table the element at position pos, shifting down other elements to close the space, if necessary. |
| 23:02.36 | Shirik | in fact |
| 23:02.37 | p3lim | so I won't be able to remove it completely from the table? |
| 23:02.50 | Shirik | there was a very old vulnerability that came from table.remove being supplied a negative number |
| 23:02.51 | foxlit | p3lim: ignore our debate and assign nil to that key. |
| 23:02.57 | Thunder_Child | look, Cairenn's sponsor http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unisex/generic/810c/ |
| 23:03.14 | foxlit | t[55503] = nil; |
| 23:03.27 | foxlit | Shirik: it's still an array-based function. |
| 23:03.41 | Shirik | irrelevant |
| 23:03.44 | Shirik | it is supposed to remove that element |
| 23:03.52 | foxlit | Shifting only makes sense in that context. The description references the length of the table, too. |
| 23:04.02 | foxlit | "position" implies array. |
| 23:04.04 | Shirik | it does not say it will always shift |
| 23:04.10 | Shirik | it DOES say it will always remove |
| 23:04.12 | Shirik | no it doesn't |
| 23:04.15 | Shirik | it implies position |
| 23:04.16 | Shirik | index |
| 23:04.17 | Shirik | location |
| 23:04.22 | foxlit | Not what it says. |
| 23:04.27 | foxlit | "key" would not. |
| 23:04.30 | Shirik | show me where they define "position" |
| 23:04.30 | Tarnovo | Can someone spare a minute or two to help me with some frame questions/ |
| 23:04.33 | p3lim | thing is also, I use #t to create a number of frames, aswell use the key to start functions |
| 23:04.57 | foxlit | Shirik: they do not. Language does. Position implies order. Sets are unordered. |
| 23:05.06 | Shirik | it doesn't work like that |
| 23:05.26 | Shirik | I think you should go read SRS standards :) |
| 23:05.36 | cogwheel | I'm goin' to didneylann! |
| 23:05.41 | p3lim | thats why I want it gone from the table, not just nil-ed out |
| 23:05.59 | foxlit | Your interpretation would involve table.insert(t, "blah", "value") working :) |
| 23:06.26 | batrick | "That would make Windows a 128 bit wrapper around a 64 bit implementation of a 32 bit extension for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system, originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition." |
| 23:06.31 | batrick | awesome |
| 23:06.33 | foxlit | Since that "Inserts element value at position pos in table" |
| 23:07.13 | p3lim | i do use table.insert, not t[key] = value |
| 23:07.36 | Shirik | foxlit: My argument has now become that there is a discrepancy in the interpretation of "position" |
| 23:07.45 | Shirik | Which would be resolved by a definitions section in their specification |
| 23:07.52 | Shirik | which is in fact one of the required sections according to IEEE 830 |
| 23:08.02 | p3lim | one way around it could be rebuilding the table tho |
| 23:08.49 | foxlit | p3lim: you're working with bad assumptions about how # works. |
| 23:09.03 | foxlit | lua> t = {}; table.insert(t, 45000, "blah"); print(#t); |
| 23:09.04 | lua_bot | foxlit: 0 |
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| 23:10.16 | NightHawkTheSane | whiteboard cylon! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EIOgR4FN0k |
| 23:11.12 | Shirik | p3lim: |
| 23:11.16 | Shirik | For added confusion: |
| 23:11.18 | p3lim | lua> t={42='x',50='y'} n={} t[42]=nil for k,v in next, t do if(v) then n[k]= v end end t=n print(t) |
| 23:11.18 | lua_bot | p3lim: luabot:1: '}' expected near '=' |
| 23:11.25 | NeoTron | that is confusing |
| 23:11.26 | Zyn | internets |
| 23:11.42 | foxlit | [42], shirik :) |
| 23:11.53 | Shirik | lua> s = "return {" .. ("0,"):rep(45000) .. "}"; print(#loadstring(s)()) |
| 23:11.53 | lua_bot | Shirik: 45000 |
| 23:11.57 | Shirik | whoops |
| 23:12.04 | Shirik | lua> s = "return {" .. ("nil,"):rep(45000) .. "}"; print(#loadstring(s)()) |
| 23:12.05 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0 |
| 23:12.06 | Shirik | gah |
| 23:12.08 | Shirik | one sec |
| 23:12.20 | p3lim | lua> t={42='x',50='y'}; n={}; t[42]= nil; for k,v in next, t do if(v) then n[k]= v end end; t = n; print(t) |
| 23:12.20 | lua_bot | p3lim: luabot:1: '}' expected near '=' |
| 23:12.23 | p3lim | wth |
| 23:12.44 | Shirik | lua> s = "t={" .. ("nil,"):rep(44999) .. "0}"; print(#loadstring(s)()) |
| 23:12.44 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to get length of a nil value |
| 23:12.47 | Shirik | ... |
| 23:12.51 | Shirik | lua> s = "return {" .. ("nil,"):rep(44999) .. "0}"; print(#loadstring(s)()) |
| 23:12.52 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0 |
| 23:12.54 | Shirik | I GIVE UP |
| 23:13.02 | Thunder_Child | ~comfort Shirik |
| 23:13.03 | purl | There, there, Shirik. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:13.09 | Lopeppeppy | You confusled the poor bot. |
| 23:13.11 | Shirik | anyway, # is non-deterministic for non-continuous tables |
| 23:15.00 | foxlit | lua> t={[42]='x',[50]='y'}; n={}; t[42]= nil; for k,v in next, t do if(v) then n[k]= v end end; t = n; print(t) |
| 23:15.00 | lua_bot | foxlit: table: 0x8265ff0 |
| 23:15.07 | foxlit | But what would that print actually tell you? |
| 23:15.47 | p3lim | does lua_bot support dump? |
| 23:15.51 | p3lim | dump() * |
| 23:16.10 | foxlit | lua> pp({theremight="be this"}); |
| 23:16.10 | lua_bot | foxlit: { ["theremight"] = "be this" } (#1) |
| 23:16.32 | p3lim | anyways, that method works for removing a table key like I want |
| 23:17.21 | foxlit | You want some exceptionally odd stuff. |
| 23:17.37 | p3lim | well its the only way I can see to remove the key completely |
| 23:17.47 | foxlit | Why do you care? |
| 23:18.00 | foxlit | When you set it to nil, it is effectively gone. |
| 23:18.09 | p3lim | because events and other functions reacts to the key, not the value |
| 23:18.40 | foxlit | Once you set the value to nil, the key is no longer reachable. |
| 23:19.21 | p3lim | oh? |
| 23:19.38 | Shirik | why do people do for k,v in next, t? |
| 23:19.47 | foxlit | It won't be iterated over. |
| 23:19.48 | Shirik | Are you a C programmer, foxlit? |
| 23:20.04 | foxlit | Shirik: not my code. But yes, I do write things in C sometimes. |
| 23:20.14 | Shirik | fine, p3lim are you a C programmer? |
| 23:20.33 | p3lim | no |
| 23:20.33 | foxlit | [to be fair, Lua is probably the language I resort to when I actually need something done.] |
| 23:20.35 | Shirik | Don't use next because it makes you look cooler. pairs() is more future-safe. |
| 23:20.40 | p3lim | but that actually worked foxlit |
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| 23:20.51 | p3lim | thanks :) |
| 23:21.47 | foxlit | I'm still rather concerned by your comments about using #t to find the number of elements in a table -- it doesn't work [deterministically, Shirik might add] if you use random indices. |
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| 23:22.24 | Shirik | Pop quiz: What is the result of operator # on a table which contains the values t[4] = 1 and the rest nil? |
| 23:23.32 | foxlit | in {0, 4} |
| 23:23.33 | p3lim | lua> t={[4]='x'} print(#t) |
| 23:23.33 | lua_bot | p3lim: 0 |
| 23:24.28 | Tarnovo | Hey guys. I'm trying to create the following: http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q125/Marlo_89/blehh.jpg but i cant seem to get a frame that is just a solid color. I am useing AddOn studio but it doesnt seem to want to work without a background image? |
| 23:24.29 | foxlit | lua> t={nil, nil, nil, 1}; print(#t .. " is the other alternative"); |
| 23:24.29 | lua_bot | foxlit: 4 is the other alternative |
| 23:24.35 | p3lim | actually, i dont use #t any more |
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| 23:24.42 | p3lim | so the ignore that :p |
| 23:25.10 | Cloudwolf | Do font objects support coloring and alpha? |
| 23:25.23 | p3lim | yes |
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| 23:26.14 | Cloudwolf | fun |
| 23:26.30 | Cloudwolf | guess its time to update my notepad addon again |
| 23:26.34 | Tarnovo | I've tried the following: http://pastebin.com/m70fc63b4 and messed around with putting a <color> tag wherever i think works but still pulling up blanks : / |
| 23:27.06 | foxlit | Tarnovo: you need a Texture object. |
| 23:27.22 | Thunder_Child | ~seen cidan |
| 23:27.23 | purl | cidan <n=AJ-local@conspiracy/developer/Cidan> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 20d 5h 47m 57s ago, saying: 'lol'. |
| 23:27.31 | foxlit | I'm looking through things trying to find a reasonable tutorial link, but we seem to fail in that department. |
| 23:27.35 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/38331/emerald-quill-deprecated/ |
| 23:27.38 | Adys | thats kinda cool |
| 23:28.17 | Cloudwolf | nice idea |
| 23:28.32 | Cloudwolf | shoudlnt it not only cosume ink but also a a peice of parchment? |
| 23:28.50 | Tarnovo | Texture object you say. |
| 23:28.57 | Thunder_Child | damit, someone make me an apple app sdk that works on windows |
| 23:29.02 | foxlit | Tarnovo: try something like http://pastebin.com/m69aa2639 |
| 23:29.19 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: getamac⢠|
| 23:29.34 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, for one thing? pass |
| 23:30.18 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, it would be cheaper to have someone make me an app |
| 23:30.29 | Tarnovo | Cheers Fozlit, shall give it a whirl. |
| 23:32.10 | Tarnovo | Foxlit* >.< |
| 23:32.34 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: may well be. Is development really that cheap? |
| 23:33.15 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, iirc there was an app that let you post what you wanted and devs to bid on taking it |
| 23:33.22 | Tarnovo | Cheers Fox, worked like a charm. |
| 23:34.44 | foxlit | Thunder_Child: work-for-hire websites are depressing :( |
| 23:34.58 | Thunder_Child | foxlit, that and i dont want to pay for it |
| 23:35.38 | foxlit | You'd still have to pay apple, though |
| 23:35.53 | foxlit | Can't deploy to actual hardware without their blessing. |
| 23:36.00 | Thunder_Child | not really, i have a hacked touch |
| 23:38.20 | Lopeppeppy | keeps a straight face |
| 23:42.33 | Thunder_Child | uses his hacked touch on Lopeppeppy |
| 23:42.53 | mikma | scytheblade1: http://mikma.eu/l4d/l4d_airport02_offices0001.jpg <- i <3 my spray tag :D |
| 23:44.02 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
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| 23:46.31 | Tarnovo | why does GetPlayerFacing() go from 0-6? o_0 surely it should be 0-360 |
| 23:47.22 | Tarnovo | 0-6.3 even. |
| 23:47.49 | Wobin | http://www.seriouseats.com/2009/10/the-food-lab-science-of-how-to-cook-perfect-boiled-eggs.html |
| 23:47.58 | Wobin | Tarnovo, radians |
| 23:48.34 | Tarnovo | oh god...maths! |
| 23:48.53 | Tarnovo | *runs away, arms flailing* |
| 23:48.55 | Wobin | inorite =( |
| 23:49.13 | Wobin | this is why you get someone smarter to do the maths for you! |
| 23:49.36 | Tarnovo | lol |
| 23:49.45 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, god, never ask me to do maths. |
| 23:49.48 | Tarnovo | *googles* |
| 23:50.52 | Tarnovo | also, why isnt GetPlayerFacing() on the wow API? |
| 23:51.12 | Adys | it is? |
| 23:51.36 | ScytheBlade1 | !api GetPlayerFacing |
| 23:51.36 | lua_bot | GetPlayerFacing: Returns the player's orientation (heading) (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetPlayerFacing) |
| 23:52.29 | Tarnovo | sorry, was looking on wowwiki and wasnt on the global functions page. |
| 23:52.58 | foxlit | That would be odd |
| 23:53.12 | foxlit | It *is* on http://www.wowwiki.com/Global_functions, though |
| 23:53.27 | Tarnovo | yeh, found it <3 |
| 23:53.28 | Tarnovo | also: http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=convert+radians+to+degrees&aq=f&aqi=g10&oq=&fp=e705e53e3f505592 |
| 23:53.34 | Tarnovo | google wins |
| 23:55.08 | foxlit | (GetPlayerFacing() % (2*math.pi)) *180 / math.pi -- << bearing |
| 23:55.19 | Adys | [02:53:20] <Tarnovo> also: http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=convert+radians+to+degrees&aq=f&aqi=g10&oq=&fp=e705e53e3f505592 |
| 23:55.23 | Adys | where did you get that url? |
| 23:55.36 | Adys | (which google domain?) |
| 23:57.29 | Adys | In this way, with each spoonful, you get tender bites of soft, velvety-smooth white, bathed in a sauce of glorious, bright golden, rich, flavorful yolk. These are the type of soft boiled eggs that'll get you laid. |
| 23:57.47 | Wobin | Adys, S/he did warn you about the puns =) |
| 23:57.56 | Tarnovo | Fox, your a legend <3 |
| 23:58.37 | Wobin | Adys, Granted, if you're making these eggs to impress... chances are the laying has already been done =P |
| 23:59.01 | Lopeppeppy | I would not "do" someone for their egg-cooking skills |
| 23:59.26 | Tarnovo | @ Adys: What |
| 23:59.34 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy, perhaps awesome egg cooking -and- bacon crisping skills? |
