| 00:00.17 | NeoTron | guess that's a "yes" |
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| 00:21.33 | mikma | scytheblade1: http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/ctrlaltdel/1350/20091007.jpg |
| 00:30.35 | WobWork | mikma: unfortunately, Tim Buckley has forever lost any sort of influence on my opinions |
| 00:31.23 | kd3 | hot damn! |
| 00:31.26 | kd3 | +LOOT_ROLL_DISENCHANT_SELF = "You have selected Disenchant for: %s"; |
| 00:31.43 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/70613/pug/ |
| 00:31.50 | Adys | kd3: neat |
| 00:31.59 | kd3 | emails out |
| 00:32.02 | NeoTron | Need/Disenchant/Greed? |
| 00:32.06 | Adys | kd3: add me on it btw |
| 00:32.10 | Adys | and fuck |
| 00:32.14 | Adys | that means I need to get Needy asap |
| 00:32.25 | Jerub | i healed without addons yesterday. that was freaking scary. |
| 00:33.44 | kd3 | +TUTORIAL_TITLE58 = "[Temp] Your bag is full :("; |
| 00:34.03 | NightHawkTheSane | huh... "The application Finder.app can't be opened. -10810" |
| 00:34.39 | industrial | nice :p |
| 00:34.40 | kd3 | hm... LFD |
| 00:34.43 | kd3 | instead of LFG |
| 00:35.29 | NeoTron | what the heck is the "tutorial" ? does thatexist? |
| 00:35.46 | kd3 | the excalamation marks you get when you first create a toon |
| 00:35.58 | kd3 | "welcome to wow". "go talk to that guy with a ! over his head" "you've accepted a quest!" |
| 00:36.00 | kd3 | etc |
| 00:36.00 | NeoTron | ah those |
| 00:36.34 | ArrowmasterClass | those things that get reset when you copy to the ptr |
| 00:36.39 | mikma | wobwork: poop on you, dorky |
| 00:36.43 | ArrowmasterClass | or used to |
| 00:38.17 | NeoTron | GetAvailableRoles() ...; |
| 00:38.51 | kd3 | +if ( canNeed ) then GroupLootFrame_EnableLootButton(self.needButton); |
| 00:38.52 | kd3 | ! |
| 00:38.57 | kd3 | no more hunter loot? |
| 00:39.10 | mikma | ... |
| 00:39.12 | foxlit | kd3: Perhaps need-before-greed got a better UI. |
| 00:39.18 | NeoTron | heh see I have that in MagicDKP_Client |
| 00:39.25 | mikma | hunters can need on everything |
| 00:39.26 | NeoTron | wonder if there will be a way now to see if a person can use an item |
| 00:39.29 | mikma | and paladins |
| 00:39.32 | NeoTron | without doing tooltip scanning and crap |
| 00:39.52 | kd3 | +local texture, name, count, quality, bindOnPickUp, canNeed, canGreed, canDisenchant = GetLootRollItemInfo(self.rollID); |
| 00:39.56 | foxlit | NeoTron: the tint-red stuff works, does it not? |
| 00:40.10 | NeoTron | foxlit: "without doing tooltip scanning" |
| 00:40.16 | NeoTron | how do you think I'm doing it now? :P |
| 00:40.17 | foxlit | It does tooltip scanning? |
| 00:40.19 | Jerub | foxlit: no? when it's on grouploot everything is red tinted. |
| 00:40.28 | foxlit | Ah. Hm. |
| 00:40.35 | NeoTron | might be a new feature since I implemented it I suppose |
| 00:40.46 | Jerub | grouploot with caches instead of corpses is what shits me. |
| 00:40.49 | NeoTron | but when I did it, there was no way but to look for red text on the tooltips |
| 00:41.02 | foxlit | You're right, it's highlighting locked and not usable. |
| 00:41.05 | Jerub | because only 1 person can open the cache, so you can't just have a gander at the corpse to have a detailed view of the items. |
| 00:41.13 | WobWork | mikma: cause he's a fuckwit |
| 00:41.30 | WobWork | an arrogant fuckwit |
| 00:41.38 | WobWork | a plagarising etc etc |
| 00:41.54 | Jerub | who's tim buckley? |
| 00:41.56 | kd3 | zOMG they're finally adding rep rewards to the quest rewards pane |
| 00:42.01 | WobWork | author of CAD |
| 00:42.05 | mikma | wobwork: but, hes correct in this case =D |
| 00:42.13 | Adys | kd3: yah they are |
| 00:42.18 | theorbtwo | WOOHOO! |
| 00:42.20 | Adys | you'd have known that a while ago |
| 00:42.24 | WobWork | A stopped analog watch is correct twice a day |
| 00:42.26 | Adys | if you checked my db \o/ |
| 00:42.34 | mikma | wobwork: people are boycotting l4d2 because they want it for free or something shitty |
| 00:42.36 | WobWork | mikma: but he's still a fuckwit |
| 00:42.43 | Jerub | oh, him. |
| 00:42.54 | Jerub | he does some funny stuff, but he's too much like his major character. |
| 00:43.10 | WobWork | Jerub: quite a lot of his 'funny stuff' was copied from other webcomics =P |
| 00:43.50 | Zyn | notices sentences about Tim "B^U"ckley, and goes to bed |
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| 00:47.40 | mikma | wobwork: so r u !!!11 |
| 00:47.47 | Jerub | looking at penny-arcade today, it makes me wonder what level his toon is. |
| 00:48.03 | mikma | wobwork: well dunno, dont like his cartoons, but that one has a good point |
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| 00:52.19 | Shirik | Hey Matthew Del Buono, welcome to the Atlassian customer portal. You can manage your 15 licenses below. |
| 00:52.28 | Shirik | I wish there was a way for me to delete my 10 evaluation licenses :( |
| 00:52.42 | mikma | u suxx |
| 00:54.54 | kd3 | and a 'boss' unit? |
| 00:55.03 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: o_0 |
| 00:55.07 | kd3 | tries to make sense of these unitframe changes |
| 00:56.01 | Adys | kd3: It looks just like a cleanup to me |
| 00:56.19 | kd3 | +if ( Boss1TargetFrame ) then |
| 00:57.09 | Adys | hmmm |
| 00:57.15 | Adys | could be a new interface for multiple bosses? |
| 00:57.22 | Adys | a la council |
| 00:57.59 | Jerub | maybe blizzard has realised that their game is deficient and is actually trying to make it playable without addons! |
| 00:58.05 | Stanzilla | or just a copy of the normal frame with an extra button to switch the difficulty |
| 00:58.10 | Jerub | (please let them have realised that) |
| 00:58.29 | Adys | they realised it a year ago |
| 00:58.31 | Adys | where have you been? |
| 00:58.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Jerub: they realize that in full, and try to keep it that way |
| 00:58.39 | Jerub | Adys: I joined the game 4 months ago. |
| 00:59.10 | Adys | .. then why the hell are you saying "zomg! blizzard needs to make the game playable without addons!" |
| 01:00.00 | Adys | people who say that remind me of these twats who keep saying "zomg! mozilla needs to make firefox usable without noscript!" |
| 01:02.13 | ArrowmasterClass | what? |
| 01:02.52 | Adys | the game is playable without addons |
| 01:02.54 | Adys | just not in raids |
| 01:02.59 | Adys | well |
| 01:03.00 | Adys | even in raids |
| 01:03.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I've healed raids without addons |
| 01:03.07 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:03.17 | Adys | but you cant be at your optimal configuration with the default uo |
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| 01:03.38 | Adys | ui even |
| 01:03.40 | WobWork | ScytheBlade1: but did you -enjoy- it? |
| 01:03.44 | ScytheBlade1 | WobWork: yes |
| 01:03.55 | WobWork | commits ScytheBlade1 |
| 01:04.02 | ScytheBlade1 | (And I'm not saying that just to make you go 'wtf' either) |
| 01:04.26 | WobWork | what raid was it? |
| 01:04.37 | WobWork | (and what style of healer were you?) |
| 01:05.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Kara, resto druid |
| 01:05.52 | ScytheBlade1 | The era of lifebloom |
| 01:05.57 | ScytheBlade1 | (x100000000) |
| 01:06.44 | WobWork | one button heal =) |
| 01:06.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh I did more than that |
| 01:07.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Lifebloom was about 50% of my healing iirc |
| 01:07.22 | WobWork | but would it have been easier with addons, like Clique or Grid? |
| 01:07.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh yes |
| 01:07.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I ran with the stock UI raid frames for about 3w before switching over |
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| 01:08.29 | WobWork | did your overall healing improve upon switch? |
| 01:08.34 | ScytheBlade1 | not really |
| 01:08.35 | Adys | [04:06:44] <ScytheBlade1> Lifebloom was about 50% of my healing iirc |
| 01:08.38 | Adys | so that'd be.. |
| 01:08.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm just inherently awesome <3 |
| 01:08.41 | Adys | two buttons heal. |
| 01:09.13 | ScytheBlade1 | lifebloom, regrowth, rejuv, swiftmend, nature's swiftness, NS + healing touch macro |
| 01:09.17 | ScytheBlade1 | 6 |
| 01:09.34 | Adys | http://www.caelestis-templares.com |
| 01:09.37 | Adys | this is kinda neat |
| 01:10.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Wrath, it grew to 7 |
| 01:10.41 | ArrowmasterClass | no moonfire? |
| 01:10.47 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:10.48 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 01:11.29 | mikma | Bone Shield now surrounds the Death Knight with 3 whirling bones (down from 4) and lasts 5 mins. (Up from 1 min) |
| 01:12.22 | WobWork | http://www.smh.com.au/world/somali-pirates-attack-french-navy-flagship-by-mistake-20091008-gnh2.html |
| 01:12.25 | WobWork | 'whoops' |
| 01:12.56 | WobWork | Adys: that's pretty well done |
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| 01:13.49 | Thunder_Child | ~dict linney |
| 01:16.40 | ArrowmasterClass | wow the article actually mentioned the lack of a somalia government, that usually gets ignored by the news |
| 01:17.56 | Thunder_Child | i'm amused that french ships look like cargo vessels, and unamused that you would perch your command on top of a large bomb |
| 01:18.30 | kd3 | nobody said the somali pirates were geniuses. haven't they tried to board other military ships too? |
| 01:18.40 | ArrowmasterClass | yes |
| 01:19.04 | ArrowmasterClass | most of them are poor former fishermen |
| 01:19.32 | Thunder_Child | this is one of the stupider things you could do "a 160-metre command vessel and fuel tanker" |
| 01:21.09 | industrial | :p |
| 01:24.07 | mikma | wobwork: did the flagship lose? xD |
| 01:24.10 | kd3 | geez.... icecrown citadel (the raid) is a seven-level map |
| 01:29.38 | Thunder_Child | what a surprise, sarah palin wrote a book |
| 01:32.23 | mikma | what a surprise, thunder_child bought it |
| 01:43.02 | WobWork | "Caribou Barbie: How I Got My Dream House" ? |
| 01:43.33 | Jerub | WobWork: tee hee |
| 01:43.34 | WobWork | s/How I Got/My Journey To/ |
| 01:43.56 | WobWork | Jerub: "Maverick!" |
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| 01:44.13 | WobWork | hehe I'm still reminded of that Palin sound board |
| 01:44.30 | Shirik | you guys are very jealous of me |
| 01:44.32 | Shirik | you do not know it yet though |
| 01:45.05 | WobWork | so... quantum jealousy |
| 01:45.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ~WobWork++ |
| 01:45.17 | A-KO | http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap091004.html < totally insane :P |
| 01:45.22 | Shirik | I have teriyaki chicken |
| 01:45.25 | Shirik | best teriyaki chicken |
| 01:45.26 | Shirik | evar |
| 01:45.34 | nicoli_s | teriyaki chicken gives me heart burn :( |
| 01:45.47 | nicoli_s | but i love it so |
| 01:46.06 | WobWork | Shirik: You have inspired me |
| 01:46.14 | Shirik | I looooove takumi collection |
| 01:46.16 | Shirik | so good |
| 01:46.18 | WobWork | I will go to the -really awesome- ramen place down the road for lunch |
| 01:46.31 | WobWork | this place is almost exclusively patroned by japanese |
| 01:46.33 | WobWork | and has queues |
| 01:46.44 | WobWork | (and the noodles are awesome) |
| 01:47.00 | Shirik | sounds good |
| 01:47.04 | Shirik | but sounds expensive |
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| 01:47.43 | Jerub | when my dad is in america he always tries to find places that serve ethnic food. |
| 01:47.47 | WobWork | $9 for a large bowl |
| 01:47.53 | WobWork | pretty decent |
| 01:50.40 | kd3 | for those of you curious at the Icecrown layout: http://www.wowwiki.com/Icecrown_Citadel_%28instance%29#Zone_map |
| 01:51.44 | Jerub | so this is going to be a raid like ulduar, not like ony or toc? |
| 01:52.11 | WobWork | midair zepp battles? |
| 01:52.17 | kd3 | dunno how they're going to fit 12 bosses in ony's lair |
| 01:52.24 | WobWork | kd3: stack them |
| 01:52.34 | WobWork | like lego people |
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| 01:59.41 | Thunder_Child | Jerub, if you are from out of the country, everything is ethnic |
| 02:03.27 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: more to the point, food that isn't mass market 'american' food. |
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| 02:14.39 | Adys | i need an example of a quest |
| 02:14.42 | Adys | that rewards 500 rep |
| 02:15.25 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:A_Magnanimous_Benefactor |
| 02:15.55 | Adys | thx |
| 02:17.01 | DWSR | lol. |
| 02:17.06 | DWSR | 500 rep after you're exalted? |
| 02:17.06 | DWSR | wtf? |
| 02:17.12 | Adys | yes |
| 02:17.18 | kd3 | look at the talk page |
| 02:17.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Exalted has 999 points until maxed |
| 02:17.22 | kd3 | I answered that already |
| 02:17.54 | DWSR | ScytheBlade1: Yes, I know. |
| 02:17.54 | DWSR | But like....why bother? |
| 02:17.56 | DWSR | And also, why the 999 points AFTER exalted? |
| 02:18.01 | kd3 | "When I was on the PTR, I was at 34/1000 when I did the quest. After completing it, I was at 534/1000. Therefore, +500 rep. "Exalted" doesn't mean 999/1000. I deliberately tried to hit exalted as close to 1/1000 as I could so I could get the proper rep number for this quest. " |
| 02:18.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Who cares? |
| 02:18.10 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a fun bonus |
| 02:18.12 | Mikk | Yes. Getting those last 999 points is Srs Bsns |
| 02:18.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Why -not-? |
| 02:19.05 | Mikk | Though in theory it could be useful if you wanted to stay exalted and had to do something naughty |
| 02:19.14 | Mikk | Like kill a guard or so |
| 02:19.48 | Mikk | Not that that happens a lot outside booty bay ^^ |
| 02:20.38 | Jerub | kd3: they could've asked someone who's played the game .... |
| 02:20.42 | Jerub | even i knew that. |
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| 02:28.06 | tem | kd3, wowwiki has the gayest advertisements on any website I visit |
| 02:28.07 | cog|away | Shirik: looks like you need a new auto-join ;) |
| 02:28.37 | Adys | [05:27:49] <+tem> kd3, wowwiki has the gayest advertisements on any website I visit |
| 02:28.39 | kd3 | don't look at me. our ad providers hand us all kinds of ads, a lot of which are geo-targeted |
| 02:28.46 | Adys | isnt evony the opposite of gay |
| 02:29.03 | Jerub | my ads are all about weightloss. |
| 02:29.05 | kd3 | if you've got any complaints (or goldselling ad sightings), fill out a report at http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contact |
| 02:29.14 | Jerub | I wish there were a button i could hit, "I am male and thin" |
| 02:29.16 | tem | kd3, This shit that goes all over the page outside the fucking ad boxes is unacceptable |
| 02:29.28 | kd3 | report it; I'm not seeing any of those |
| 02:29.36 | tem | I just had an add spread virtual dirt all over the page so I couldn't read it |
| 02:29.39 | tem | ad* |
| 02:29.39 | kd3 | runs with adblock/noscript off most of the time when working on the wiki |
| 02:29.43 | Adys | you weren't seeing your own face in matt cutts' either |
| 02:29.44 | Arrowmaster | noscript + adblockplus it |
| 02:29.56 | tem | I'm using chrome |
| 02:30.03 | Arrowmaster | your failure then |
| 02:30.11 | DWSR | tem: Adsweep. |
| 02:30.15 | DWSR | adsweep.org |
| 02:30.16 | Adys | rofl |
| 02:30.19 | Adys | [05:29:39] <+tem> I'm using chrome |
| 02:30.24 | Adys | i instantly thought |
| 02:30.26 | Adys | http://xkcd.com/272/ |
| 02:30.26 | Jerub | tee hee chrome. |
| 02:30.30 | tem | I really like chrome |
| 02:30.34 | tem | but I hate seeing ads |
| 02:30.46 | Adys | and ya i run adsweep it works well |
| 02:30.58 | DWSR | tem: Adsweep. |
| 02:31.35 | tem | ooh |
| 02:31.47 | tem | how does one install chrome extensions? |
| 02:32.13 | Iriel | The mental image I get for 'chrome extensions' isnt' pretty |
| 02:32.29 | tem | lol, Iriel |
| 02:32.32 | DWSR | tem: You don't need to install the extension (in fact I would recommend against it). |
| 02:32.36 | DWSR | The user script is just as good |
| 02:32.46 | Adys | tem click on them |
| 02:32.46 | Adys | :p |
| 02:33.02 | DWSR | Adys: No, need to enable extensions first unless you're using dev channel. |
| 02:33.04 | tem | oh that's great |
| 02:33.37 | tem | hmm |
| 02:33.43 | tem | I got an error "Extensions are not enabled" |
| 02:33.49 | DWSR | tem: Use the user script... |
| 02:33.51 | DWSR | For the second time. |
| 02:34.14 | tem | yeah well I'm curious to see how the extensions work |
| 02:34.32 | DWSR | tem: tbh, atm they don't unless you're using Chrome 4.0, which is still beta. |
| 02:35.15 | tem | I'm on chrome 3 |
| 02:35.25 | DWSR | Yeah, just use the user script. |
| 02:35.29 | DWSR | User script = Greasemonkey script, btw. |
| 02:35.37 | tem | right |
| 02:35.42 | DWSR | Minus some minor differences, any greasemonkey script works in Chrome. :) |
| 02:39.22 | tem | hmm |
| 02:39.31 | tem | any idea where the userscript belongs in windows 7? |
| 02:39.52 | DWSR | yes |
| 02:40.06 | tem | I'm looking where it said for vista |
| 02:40.06 | DWSR | C:\Users\username\AppData\Local\Chrome\User Data\Default\User Scripts |
| 02:40.14 | tem | yeah I don't have an AppData folder |
| 02:40.16 | DWSR | tem: 7 == vista for folder structure. |
| 02:40.20 | DWSR | tem: Yes you do. It's hidden. |
| 02:40.25 | tem | oh god damnit |
| 02:40.51 | tem | yeah god it |
| 02:40.53 | tem | got it |
| 02:41.06 | tem | turning on hidden files is usually the first thing I do |
| 02:41.12 | tem | just never got around to it here |
| 02:41.16 | DWSR | tem: Also have to make sure that you enable user scripts in chrome by adding the CLI switch on the shortcut. |
| 02:41.20 | DWSR | --enable-user-scripts |
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| 02:45.57 | Shirik | cogwheel: Fixed :P |
| 02:49.40 | DWSR | God the ops in ##windows suck. |
| 02:49.54 | DWSR | "No offtopic or we'll quiet the lot of you". Meanwhile, no one wants help in the channel. |
| 02:50.30 | Adys | there is a ##windows_sucks channel? |
| 02:50.34 | DWSR | Could you imagine if there was no offtopic in #WoWUIDev? |
| 02:50.39 | DWSR | Adys: Dunno, probably not/ |
| 02:51.16 | Corrodias | at least they just don't help |
| 02:51.28 | Corrodias | if there were an anti-windows or pro-linux channel, you'd just get people anti-helping |
| 02:51.53 | A-KO | DWSR: yeah they do suck :P it's pretty bad |
| 02:57.30 | Shirik | DWSR |
| 02:57.32 | Shirik | you are off topic |
| 02:57.41 | Shirik | wtf |
| 02:57.46 | Shirik | (22:57:30)  -⺠Channel ban list is full (DWSR!*@*) |
| 02:57.56 | DWSR | ? |
| 02:58.04 | DWSR | Am I already on the banlist on ##windows? |
| 02:58.08 | Shirik | no |
| 02:58.12 | Shirik | I tried to quiet you here :P |
| 02:58.22 | DWSR | dude, banlist is so full. |
| 02:58.23 | Arrowmaster | you guys keep the ban list too full |
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| 02:58.51 | Shirik | wtf |
| 02:58.53 | Shirik | no I didn't |
| 02:59.02 | Shirik | stupid channel control... |
| 02:59.06 | Arrowmaster | when a network has something like chanserv you are supposed to keep the long term bans maintained by chanserv and not always in the banlist |
| 02:59.11 | Shirik | anyway, ban list not so full anymore |
| 03:02.27 | Arrowmaster | although i admit freenode is weird, their automatic kickban is done by adding the host to the access list with a special flag so the only people that can do it are the people that can modify the access list which is usually more permission than you want to give to do something like that |
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| 03:11.30 | Adys | MentalPower: ping |
| 03:11.43 | MentalPower | Adys: pong |
| 03:17.49 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 03:17.53 | Shirik | no |
| 03:17.53 | Shirik | gtfo |
| 03:18.04 | Fisker | cries |
| 03:18.24 | Fisker | Looking for Multitudes - Use the Dungeon tool to finish random heroic dungeons until you have grouped with 100 random players total. |
| 03:18.26 | Fisker | fuck you |
| 03:18.56 | Fisker | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/october/jaina.jpg <-hawt |
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| 03:19.21 | Fisker | Item - Paladin T10 Retribution 4P Bonus - Your melee attacks have a 4% chance to faceroll harder |
| 03:19.22 | Fisker | fuck you |
| 03:21.33 | Fisker | +TUTORIAL_TITLE58 = "[Temp] Your bag is full :("; |
| 03:21.35 | Fisker | aww :( |
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| 04:19.07 | Amarande | so ... PTR folks. any knowledge yet on what the IC gear ilvl is going to be? |
| 04:19.16 | Amarande | (I'm suspecting 245/258/271 for tier 10, perhaps?) |
| 04:19.21 | Fisker | you fail Amarande |
| 04:19.50 | Fisker | The rewards in the raid dungeon start at item level 251 in the normal mode with 10-player encounters, increase to item level 264 in the Heroic mode mode with 10 players and the normal mode with 25-player encounters, and then finally reach item level 277 in the Heroic mode with 25 players. |
| 04:19.54 | NightHawkTheSane | ~Fisker++ |
| 04:20.42 | Amarande | Fisker: any changes to badges in heroics or are they still Conqs? |
| 04:20.56 | NeoTron | no, no they will be Triumph |
| 04:21.01 | Amarande | woot. |
| 04:21.03 | Amarande | WOOT. |
| 04:21.09 | Amarande | WOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOT. |
| 04:21.18 | NeoTron | let me guess. you like that change? |
| 04:21.22 | Amarande | oh yeah. :) |
| 04:21.47 | Amarande | I had a strange wow dream today, too |
| 04:21.55 | Amarande | I dreamt that I got in a pug for the daily raid and forgot the quest |
| 04:22.01 | Amarande | and that the quest wasn't sharable |
| 04:22.06 | Amarande | so I had to go all the way back to dalaran |
| 04:22.21 | Amarande | and by the time I got back to the raid, there were like 70 people in it and we were going to have to cut most of them :| |
| 04:25.58 | jnwhiteh | http://apidiff.pastey.net/126218 |
| 04:26.31 | Adys | GetFactionInfoById |
| 04:26.33 | Adys | THANK GOD |
| 04:26.55 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 04:28.35 | Amarande | bah, looks like it's a light night for PUGs tonight |
| 04:28.37 | Amarande | and we don't have WG |
| 04:28.42 | Amarande | guess it's an alt leveling night |
| 04:28.44 | Thunder_Child | "Item - Rogue T10 4P Bonus - Your Tricks of the Trade ability now grants you 15 energy instead of costing energy" <-- i am so amused |
| 04:28.57 | Adys | wa wah? |
| 04:29.05 | Adys | remind me what does tott do? |
| 04:29.10 | NightHawkTheSane | misdirect |
| 04:29.12 | Thunder_Child | the aoe |
| 04:29.14 | Thunder_Child | iirc |
| 04:29.20 | Adys | thats fok |
| 04:29.23 | NightHawkTheSane | fan of knives is the aoe |
| 04:29.26 | Thunder_Child | right |
| 04:29.27 | NightHawkTheSane | tott is misdirect |
| 04:29.31 | Amarande | Night: how did you know I chose to level my hunter |
| 04:29.34 | Amarande | oh, you're talking about tott |
| 04:30.07 | Amarande | I should try to actually find the time between pugs on the main to actually have all my alts at 80 in prep for cata this time |
| 04:30.18 | Amarande | (also so I can craft personally just about everything that can be crafted, heh) |
| 04:34.50 | Amarande | dammit, chef de cuisine |
| 04:34.55 | Amarande | that achievement turned me into a crafting recipe whore |
| 04:34.56 | Amarande | lol |
| 04:35.28 | Amarande | btw: do you have to be at the black anvil to make the Dark Iron Bomb, or do you only need the black forge to make the dark iron bar to begin with? |
| 04:37.19 | Fisker | hah Thunder_Child |
| 04:37.29 | Fisker | that doesn't beat Ret pala's one |
| 04:37.30 | Amarande | I forget which dark iron foos require the black anvil :S |
| 04:37.36 | Fisker | 4% chance on melee attacks to faceroll harder |
| 04:37.45 | Amarande | the only thing I remember for sure was you needed the black forge to make dark iron bars to begin with |
| 04:37.51 | Fisker | Item - Paladin T10 Retribution 4P Bonus - Your melee attacks have a 4% chance to reset the cooldown on your Divine Storm ability. |
| 04:37.54 | Amarande | which is fine, since Alvaerin learned that. |
| 04:38.00 | Thunder_Child | piffle Fisker |
| 04:38.01 | Fisker | Item - Paladin T10 Retribution 2P Bonus - Your Seals and Judgements deal 10% additional damage. <-pretty significant though |
| 04:38.04 | Amarande | (and of course, I got the direbrew remote AFTER I'd already done all the quests in BRD. Goddamnit.) |
| 04:38.18 | Amarande | Fisker, I just wish I could GET a set bonus |
| 04:38.26 | Amarande | my lock right now has 1pT7, 1pT8, *and 1pT9* lol |
| 04:38.34 | Fisker | T9 2-set + T10 2-set is probably best unless there's good itemization on T10 |
| 04:38.45 | Amarande | I'll probably end up with 1pT10 to go with it once IC hits, I presume LOL |
| 04:38.48 | Fisker | do totc and get emblems :o |
| 04:38.54 | Shirik | awwww |
| 04:38.55 | Amarande | Fisker: there a new VoA boss for T10, btw? |
| 04:38.58 | Shirik | The instructor was again very helpful in this lab. In fact, he was even more helpful and supportive than the previous lab. We also met him during his office hours to ask him some questions and he cleared the problems we faced with this lab. |
| 04:38.59 | Fisker | dunno |
| 04:39.00 | Shirik | See Thunder_Child |
| 04:39.01 | Fisker | none yet |
| 04:39.04 | Shirik | my students don't hate me |
| 04:39.18 | Amarande | that's how I managed to skip a lot of the progression for now, and not have to see naxx or ulduar yet |
| 04:39.30 | Amarande | I pretty much pug VoA when I can, and that allows for some huge gear upgrades at a single bound |
| 04:39.55 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i dont remember saying that |
| 04:40.01 | Amarande | 'specially the first time, when not only did I win the roll for the grand black war mammoth, but 2 warlock pieces dropped and they had to go to me perforce, since there were no other locks in the raid |
| 04:40.05 | Shirik | you said something like that |
| 04:40.10 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, go check the logs, i think your brain is fried |
| 04:40.16 | Amarande | (pro tip: being the only member of (class) in the raid is generally a good thing) |
| 04:40.29 | Amarande | actually, that makes me wonder something |
| 04:40.35 | Amarande | in places where there is a DKP system |
| 04:40.57 | Amarande | if there's a situation where there is only one member of (class), and (class)-specific loot |
| 04:41.12 | Amarande | and that person does not have enough DKP, do they get it anyway or do they have to watch a legitimate upgrade get sharded to preserve the integrity of DKP? |
| 04:41.26 | Amarande | I've never been in a serious raiding guild, so I'm not sure how they handle cases like that :) |
| 04:42.01 | Amarande | iow, does "only one person can use this at all and it is an upgrade for them" generally supersede any and all otherwise established loot rules, or can upgrades be sharded? |
| 04:42.08 | Fisker | ugh |
| 04:42.08 | Iriel | You'd pretty much have to shard it or allow negative DKP otherwise it demonstrates the pointlessness of the system |
| 04:42.11 | Fisker | that reminds me |
| 04:42.15 | Fisker | I was in a fail pug |
| 04:42.26 | Fisker | Hunter was raidleader, and i offered him another hunter as DPS |
| 04:42.30 | Amarande | Iriel: and yet, forcing your raider to suck for longer in order to preserve the loot system is also fail, heh |
| 04:42.31 | Fisker | "i r raidleader i do it my way" |
| 04:42.38 | Fisker | so we spent like half an hour looking for the last guy |
| 04:42.51 | Iriel | (Full disclosure: I think DKP systems are fail) |
| 04:42.56 | Fisker | Then he was pretty much last on DPS |
| 04:43.14 | Fisker | i was on my rogue, which is my alt and i did more dps than him, and i had dinged 80 like 1½ week ago |
| 04:43.14 | Fisker | . |
| 04:43.15 | Fisker | :o |
| 04:43.33 | Fisker | carrying raidleaders ftw |
| 04:43.37 | Amarande | meters are overrated :S |
| 04:43.48 | Amarande | besides, meters actually make players who suck have a better time of it |
| 04:43.50 | Amarande | see, here's the thing: |
| 04:43.59 | Amarande | if you do X DPS, and you suck, chances are you can squeeze a lot more out of that gear if you practice. |
| 04:44.27 | Amarande | on the other hand, if you do X DPS, and you are actually good with your class, chances are you're pushing the gear as far as it will go already, and therefore you are stuck until you can manage to get an upgrade |
| 04:44.51 | Amarande | therefore, sucky player actually has a better chance of getting into metered groups in the near future, while good player faces lots of boring farming |
| 04:45.00 | Amarande | I almost burned myself out farming 58 conqs in a few days for t8 robe :S |
| 04:45.23 | Shirik | Iriel: I only partially agree |
| 04:45.32 | Shirik | We created a modified DKP system which I think works well |
| 04:45.38 | Shirik | We call it windowed DKP |
| 04:45.42 | Amarande | also: I fail, epically. |
| 04:45.48 | Amarande | I alt-tabbed out of wow in order to chat here |
| 04:45.50 | Amarande | alt-tabbed back to WoW |
| 04:45.54 | Amarande | and well you can guess what happened. :P |
| 04:45.58 | Shirik | it prevents hoarding of DKP and ensures that newer players can get up-to-speed quickly |
| 04:46.13 | Fisker | goodbye cruel Shirik |
| 04:46.13 | Fisker | i hope you die |
| 04:46.20 | Shirik | goodbye Fisker |
| 04:46.22 | Amarande | Shirik: I've thought of various ideas that basically try to make DKP exclusively something to be spent on optional loot, or in case there is competition for loot |
| 04:46.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: no good guilds shard loot that someone in the raid can use. ever. full stop. |
| 04:46.36 | NightHawkTheSane | if the system has to bend, it bends. |
| 04:46.42 | Shirik | ^ |
| 04:46.44 | Fisker | but we need it for the 20g on ah NightHawkTheSane :( |
| 04:46.53 | Shirik | Why would you shard something just because some number says you can't have it? |
| 04:47.04 | Amarande | Shirik: there probably are some fail raid guilds that do that. :) |
| 04:47.10 | Amarande | thankfully, I don't know them. |
| 04:47.11 | Shirik | None of the guilds I've been in |
| 04:47.14 | Amarande | because they're obviously, well, fail |
| 04:47.19 | NightHawkTheSane | (although nearly every atually used loot system handles it without problem) |
| 04:47.22 | Shirik | and I've been in a lot of top-server raiding guilds |
| 04:47.28 | Adys | ive seen such guilds |
| 04:48.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: i stand by my statement that they're not good guilds. :p |
| 04:48.11 | Adys | Yeah they arent |
| 04:48.12 | NightHawkTheSane | i've never seen a guild do that, ever, though. |
| 04:48.42 | Amarande | Adys: on which server, so we know to avoid such cesspools :) |
| 04:49.06 | Adys | on a much better server than yours, quit assuming shit |
| 04:49.14 | Adys | and probably the best server ive ever been on |
| 04:49.26 | Adys | fuck that probably, too |
| 04:49.33 | Amarande | actually, it wouldn't be a server I could play on presumably anyway though |
| 04:49.39 | Amarande | seeing as you're Greek, which means you presumably play on EU servers :) |
| 04:50.00 | Adys | I'm not greek I just live here |
| 04:50.04 | Amarande | and yeah, I'm pretty sure eu servers kick us servers' asses, if Guild Wars was any indication |
| 04:50.22 | Adys | no its not about that |
| 04:50.34 | Amarande | "Europe has the favor of the gods." "Europe has the favor of the gods." Gods can I please go to Underworld? No, because Europe has the favor of the gods. |
| 04:50.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: if you can't phraes it as a wildly inaccurate generalization, Amarande won't really understand it |
| 04:51.03 | Adys | again, quit assuming shit, there are tons of poor eu servs and tons of very good us servers |
| 04:51.16 | Adys | you gotta be the most stuck up person i know |
| 04:51.45 | ScytheBlade1 | dunno if I'd go that far |
| 04:51.51 | ScytheBlade1 | But I would go with presumptuious |
| 04:52.45 | Adys | presomptuous, stuck up, naive and talks WAY too much for someone meeting all those criteria |
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| 04:57.24 | Shirik | I must be free or I will die before the harvest moon, my friend |
| 04:59.56 | Shirik | heh |
| 05:00.08 | Thunder_Child | that was a good game |
| 05:00.21 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:00.27 | Thunder_Child | harvest moon |
| 05:00.33 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:01.11 | Thunder_Child | old nintendo game |
| 05:01.14 | Thunder_Child | though they have new ones |
| 05:01.58 | Amarande | Shirik, are these anti-Ama votes justified, or are some people just too easily annoyed? :S |
| 05:02.03 | Shirik | Ama? |
| 05:02.08 | Amarande | (or maybe both?) |
| 05:02.29 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, http://www.gamespot.com/snes/strategy/bokujoumonogatari/index.html?tag=result;title;4 seriously addicding gameplay |
| 05:02.31 | Amarande | Shirik: How I get more or less constantly lambasted by NightHawk, Adys and often Scythe |
| 05:02.54 | Adys | ugh no you're terribly annoying thats all |
| 05:02.57 | Adys | nobody hates you |
| 05:03.02 | NightHawkTheSane | only when you say dumb things. |
| 05:03.14 | Adys | except you say dumb things all the time |
| 05:03.30 | Shirik | ok that's bordering on a personal attack |
| 05:03.52 | Adys | its not personal |
| 05:04.05 | Adys | it's really terribly annoying, all the spam, all the ugh |
| 05:04.13 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:04.18 | Shirik | (01:03:05) (Adys) except you say dumb things all the time |
| 05:04.33 | Adys | kay, most of the time |
| 05:04.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Most of the time I just get overly frustrated and step away |
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| 05:05.27 | Adys | Amarande: and a lot of ppl tried to explain, more than once, what the problem is and you dont seem to understand |
| 05:07.28 | Amarande | Adys, when you suggest I have to abandon my friends in order to get a more useful <tag> to do much of anything? |
| 05:07.50 | Amarande | (and corollary, that life around WoW revolves first and foremost around having the right <tag>?) |
| 05:08.05 | Adys | I'm gonna retract that "most of the time" and come back to my original statement |
| 05:08.29 | Amarande | also. player attitude destroys pretty much the design that Blizzard had in mind for WoW, in a way. |
| 05:08.39 | Amarande | let's see it this way. Blizzard makes progression tiers of gear for a reason. |
| 05:08.41 | Adys | this isn't about wow |
| 05:08.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Okay I'm going to be perfectly honest with you right now |
| 05:08.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Not intended to offend |
| 05:08.52 | Adys | bloody fucking son of a jesus |
| 05:08.55 | Amarande | this is because the gear at a given progression level is intended for use to help you progress at that level and into the next. |
| 05:08.56 | Adys | this is about you, not wow |
| 05:09.01 | ScytheBlade1 | But you're being incredibly annoying and ignorant of pretty much everything right now |
| 05:09.04 | Adys | THIS ISNT ABOUT WOW. |
| 05:09.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I won't say anything more, but yeah |
| 05:09.36 | Amarande | lord, any other place I've gone to, you guys would be gone for personal attacks by now |
| 05:09.43 | Amarande | why are you even allowed to stay the way you're treating me? :| |
| 05:10.00 | Adys | I'm wondering how you survived here this long tbfh |
| 05:10.11 | Amarande | Adys: because I don't take direct potshots at people? :| |
| 05:10.16 | NightHawkTheSane | interestingly, most of the places i hang out, you would have been lambasted (and probably banned) for being rather obnoxious and clueless. *shrug* |
| 05:10.32 | ScytheBlade1 | We are an *exceptionally* caring channel. |
| 05:10.38 | Amarande | heh Night, what kinda places are those? :) |
| 05:10.40 | Adys | Agreed with Scythe |
| 05:10.47 | Adys | Amarande: any place |
| 05:10.50 | Amarande | let's put it this way, most of the places I go have a very strong rule that people have to respect each other |
| 05:11.13 | NightHawkTheSane | and most of the places i go have rules about not being dumb. |
| 05:11.16 | NightHawkTheSane | shrugs |
| 05:11.28 | ScytheBlade1 | We have those rules |
| 05:11.36 | Thunder_Child | we do? |
| 05:11.46 | Adys | we don't, Fisker's here |
| 05:11.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Those rules are the only reason we haven't collectively attempted to blast you to the outer edge of the milky way |
| 05:12.02 | Adys | oh, those rules. |
| 05:12.03 | NightHawkTheSane | hah Adys :) |
| 05:12.09 | Amarande | Scythe: you mean besides the fact that that would require goblin engineering, and goblin engineering has sadly high backfire rates :) |
| 05:12.18 | Adys | fucking |
| 05:12.24 | Adys | stop relating everything to wow |
| 05:12.38 | Adys | I know this is a wow channel, but christ is it annoying |
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| 05:12.57 | Amarande | Adys: you know, I really hate to use the ignore list in IRC, but I may have to use it soon *sigh* |
| 05:13.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: yeesh, you're as uptight as king wrynn. ;) |
| 05:13.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't think you're alone in that sentiment |
| 05:13.23 | Adys | quit being like Garrosh Night |
| 05:13.32 | Amarande | actually, there's a logical reason I tend to not use it, though |
| 05:13.35 | NightHawkTheSane | ouch, thats low :P |
| 05:13.46 | Amarande | which is that when I do, things start looking odd because then you get fragmented conversations where shit doesn't make sense because you can't see half of it :) |
| 05:14.06 | Adys | Amarande: I know I'm hostile but I'm trying to help you here |
| 05:14.21 | Adys | if you'd stop fucking relating everything to a game you might appear less annoying to a LOT of people |
| 05:14.50 | Amarande | Adys: it all began with pretty much telling me that the way I play WoW is, essentially, not an acceptable way to play WoW |
| 05:15.17 | Amarande | that basically, you either treat the game like a job or you get off the bus when you finish your northrend loremaster |
| 05:15.50 | Amarande | It's one thing to pull your weight when you're in a group. It's another to actually start making decisions to revolve your life around WoW, which is what some suggestions sent my way pretty much implied I needed to do. |
| 05:16.43 | NightHawkTheSane | I dont recall anyone saying that, maybe Adys did, but *shrug*. I can tell you, though, what annoys more than a couple people here is that your incessent need to be a martyr and whine about how you feel somehow shafted because of "how you play the game" |
| 05:16.46 | Adys | you know you could get a job at an academy, polishing pages about what it means to be stuck up. |
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| 05:17.06 | NightHawkTheSane | and really, the consistent whining about practically everything is very grating. |
| 05:17.15 | ZorbaBeta | from what I've seen, the problem is that you want full-time rewards from casual gameplay |
| 05:17.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm going to ignore that line from Adys and second everything that NightHawkTheSane said |
| 05:17.28 | Amarande | Adys: I'm stuck up because I think I should actually be allowed to enjoy the game while staying with my friends, rather than making guild affiliation a business relationship? |
| 05:17.40 | ZorbaBeta | if you want to play the game casually, it provides a lot of ways to do so |
| 05:17.43 | Amarande | Zorba: perhaps partly, as I tend to get frustrated when I hit a plateau for too long. |
| 05:17.46 | ZorbaBeta | you just won't be trooping around in ilvl254 |
| 05:17.47 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: hell, i dont even have a problem with that! i just have a problem with having to hear about how its unfair over and over :P |
| 05:17.48 | Shirik | ok |
| 05:17.51 | Shirik | I'm going to change the topic |
| 05:17.52 | Adys | Nevermind I'm just tired |
| 05:17.56 | Shirik | how about them yankees? |
| 05:18.05 | Amarande | however, in part, gear and DPS expectations placed by players tend to make doing this a difficult thing |
| 05:18.10 | Amarande | Shirik: eww Yankees. Go Sox. :) |
| 05:18.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: i watched an episode of MASH that was about the giants beating the dodgers, does that count? |
| 05:18.32 | Shirik | Dodgers can't beat anyone |
| 05:18.51 | Thunder_Child | uh Shirik, you might want to take some classes in topic changing |
| 05:18.54 | NightHawkTheSane | well, this was (set in) the 50's, they didn't suck so much then |
| 05:18.58 | Shirik | here, new new topic |
| 05:19.00 | Amarande | Zorba: in particular, the fact that you have to have gear significantly above Blizzard's design progression level to do content at this point |
| 05:19.07 | Shirik | a student just told me in his paper that he can find a device with a multimeter |
| 05:19.14 | Amarande | and the only way to do it is by full-time farming, or by raiding |
| 05:19.18 | Jerub | Shirik: winner. |
| 05:19.32 | Amarande | because you just don't go over ilvl 200 (and a few 219) from just plain heroic drops |
| 05:19.33 | Shirik | I wrote on it "can you show me how? I'm good at losing resistors." |
| 05:19.40 | Amarande | and that doesn't give you the DPS that groups expect now. |
| 05:19.42 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: sometimes i wonder why i try to explain it all, when what i say is so rapidly ignored. |
| 05:19.52 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: yup. I know the feeling. |
| 05:20.06 | Adys | yah. |
| 05:20.10 | Amarande | basically, you're expected to put in full-time WoWing if you even want to do basic PUG stuff now. |
| 05:20.18 | Jerub | I do on average, two heroics a day. I've been gearing bear cat and tree, it's taken me 2 months to have a toon that is ulduar capable in any spec. |
| 05:20.19 | NightHawkTheSane | goes back to MASH |
| 05:20.23 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, it's true, some servers are bad about that. solution: make your own groups |
| 05:20.43 | Jerub | Amarande: aiui, you just need a better server :) |
| 05:20.56 | ZorbaBeta | plus it's easy to gear up to much t8 gear |
| 05:20.58 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, i have done season 1-8 in roughly 3 weeks |
| 05:21.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta, Jerub: for the love of what little is left of my sanity, please stop. :) |
| 05:21.21 | Amarande | Night: see, there you go, that's an indirect personal attack |
| 05:21.21 | NightHawkTheSane | freenode's nicks aren't long enough for NightHawkTheInsane |
| 05:21.25 | ZorbaBeta | man, if you want sanity, I dunno why you're in this channel ;) |
| 05:21.30 | Amarande | attempting to have people who take my side shut up |
| 05:21.39 | Adys | christ |
| 05:21.41 | ScytheBlade1 | .......... |
| 05:21.44 | Adys | nobody is taking anyone's side |
| 05:21.44 | ScytheBlade1 | NO HE ISN'T |
| 05:21.48 | ScytheBlade1 | okay time to tab away |
| 05:21.49 | Shirik | stabs the lot of you |
| 05:21.50 | ScytheBlade1 | afk for the night |
| 05:21.52 | Jerub | I now pug 10/25 voa and ony, which is probably 10 EoT a week as well. |
| 05:21.53 | Shirik | I said we were talking about yankees |
| 05:21.57 | Shirik | now stfu and get off-topic |
| 05:21.58 | NightHawkTheSane | agrees with ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:22.10 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: stop making such a big deal about sanity. |
| 05:22.13 | Jerub | it's overrated |
| 05:22.16 | Amarande | Jerub: the former I can do. 10ony I can seem to do, 25ony needs a really tolerant group as of yet |
| 05:22.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: I dont remember when I started, but i'm partway through s9 now |
| 05:22.18 | Thrae | Hmm, really? |
| 05:22.34 | Amarande | mainly due to differences in opinions about what it means to be carried |
| 05:22.39 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, S08E24, but i went in order. |
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| 05:22.55 | Amarande | to me, for someone to be carried means they don't even know how to play their class and make no effort to do so, instead just hanging around for the shinies |
| 05:23.02 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Shirik |
| 05:23.03 | purl | Shirik: FAIL! |
| 05:23.06 | Adys | Shirik: way to fail |
| 05:23.10 | Adys | now its on-topic |
| 05:23.14 | Shirik | exactly |
| 05:23.17 | NightHawkTheSane | currently watching 09x15 now.. and yeah, of course i went in order. :p |
| 05:23.18 | Amarande | if you're actually doing what you should be doing as your class, then you're not being carried, your gear just sucks and desperately needs the upgrades WHICH YOU ARE GOING TO THE INSTANCE TO GET. |
| 05:23.24 | Shirik | so now you all are off-topic and I can ban you according to freenode policy |
| 05:23.28 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, LIES! |
| 05:23.47 | Jerub | Shirik: what, you pay attention to freenode policy? |
| 05:23.49 | Amarande | It goes back to the old argument some nights ago about having a pile of dirt and tweezers, pretty much. |
| 05:23.50 | Shirik | :P |
| 05:23.56 | Adys | freenode has apolicy? |
| 05:23.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Hoenstly, though, the show kinda loses something after S6-ish |
| 05:24.07 | Adys | and |
| 05:24.08 | Amarande | Night: typical of TV |
| 05:24.19 | Jerub | man, if freenode tried to tell me how to run one of my channels, I'd +b *!*@* and tell them to stick it |
| 05:24.21 | Amarande | most TV shows are lucky to be good to begin with, let alone after several seasons |
| 05:24.30 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, well it's the same if thats what you mean. but then 90% of the ep's are the same |
| 05:24.31 | Shirik | +b *!*@* is against freenode policy |
| 05:24.36 | Amarande | remember the good old Pink Floyd observation, "thirteen channels of shit on the T.V. to choose from?" |
| 05:24.43 | Thrae | NightHawkTheBatty, NightHawkTheInane, NightHawkTheCrazy, NightHawkTheWild, NightHawkTheMad, NightHawkTheLoony, NightHawkTheNuts, NightHawkTheNutty, NightHawkTheDaft |
| 05:24.47 | Amarande | well ... now we have three hundred channels, and it's still not much better. :) |
| 05:24.54 | Adys | Thrae coming back to life |
| 05:24.58 | Adys | has been at it for 10 minutes |
| 05:25.25 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: Aything that starts with 'NightHawkThe' can only have 4 more letters, iirc? |
| 05:25.32 | NightHawkTheSane | eles its truncated |
| 05:25.40 | Jerub | I have to get the gumption tegether to pug htoc again. and H UP is daily on my realm today, and I /hate/ UP :( |
| 05:25.57 | Amarande | UP I never minded |
| 05:25.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: thats most of the problem. they kind of ran out of plots after season 5 or so. you can literally watch them repeat the same plots over again. >< |
| 05:26.05 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: I was just listing the shortest synonyms. Some of them are 4 or less ;) |
| 05:26.05 | Amarande | the one I dread is Occy, because |
| 05:26.12 | Amarande | 1) I HAVE NEVER BEEN TO OCCY. Therefore, I have no idea what goes on there |
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| 05:26.21 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: indeed, i was just noting, cause i saw a number of them werent :) |
| 05:26.23 | Amarande | 2) the final boss is one of those stupid vehicle gimmick battles I always SUCK at |
| 05:26.25 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, it started much earlier than that |
| 05:26.38 | Jerub | Amarande: man, occy is such an easy set of fights. |
| 05:26.40 | Adys | Amarande: you've never been to a fight and you know you suck at it? |
| 05:26.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: arguably, but earlier on the cast & writing was strong enough to make up for it |
| 05:26.55 | Amarande | Adys: just about every time I've been forced to use a vehicle instead of my character abilities, I've sucked. :| |
| 05:26.59 | ZorbaBeta | adys, I read that as "i generally suck at vehicles, and the last fight is vehicles, therefore I probably suck" |
| 05:27.04 | Amarande | it's why I never finished things like The Storm King's Vengeance |
| 05:27.08 | Adys | uhhhh |
| 05:27.12 | Thrae | NightHawkTheSane: Personally I like NightHawkTheDaft because most people won't know what that means. |
| 05:27.19 | Jerub | in my guild we have a bunch that never do occy, and then 2-3 that actually like it. |
| 05:27.22 | NightHawkTheSane | trapper > bj :P |
| 05:27.25 | Adys | Thrae: that is completely untrue |
| 05:27.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: that is rather good. :) |
| 05:27.36 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, i dunno, after season 3 alda did a lot of the writing/directing |
| 05:27.37 | Adys | Daft is a word I often both see and use |
| 05:27.44 | Thunder_Child | and stayed till the end ofc |
| 05:27.45 | Amarande | actually, in RPGs in general I tend to run into roadblocks when I'm forced to use a gimmick that doesn't relate much to the rest of the game's skill demand |
| 05:27.52 | Adys | eh |
| 05:27.58 | Adys | vehicles demand a lot less skills |
| 05:28.11 | Amarande | Adys: it could also be the self heal thing |
| 05:28.12 | Thrae | Adys: Universal Idiocy Theory. |
| 05:28.14 | Adys | they just demand to relearn a couple of unique mechanics |
| 05:28.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: yeah, and note the show got a lot more maudlin as it went on. his greater influence. :p |
| 05:28.31 | Thrae | Basically, most people are idiots. Universal Idiocy Theory. |
| 05:28.33 | Amarande | vehicles usually have very little means of self-healing, and sometimes you have to complete the whole thing on one set of HP |
| 05:28.33 | Jerub | i want to knock off the heroic hardmode achievements for occy |
| 05:28.38 | Adys | ive done storm king in the very early days only and it was bugged to hell |
| 05:28.43 | Adys | i remember it sucking bad |
| 05:28.44 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, no comment |
| 05:28.48 | Jerub | but it's hard when it's the daily h, because you have people that don't know the vehicle fights. |
| 05:28.48 | Amarande | because at least some stuff resets completely when you board the vehicle again |
| 05:28.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: eh? :) |
| 05:28.59 | Jerub | i love how ToC5 no longer sucks at the stat |
| 05:29.02 | Jerub | er start |
| 05:29.13 | Amarande | the joust in ToC 5 isn't so bad, though. |
| 05:29.31 | Adys | its not joust |
| 05:29.32 | Adys | its lag |
| 05:29.36 | Jerub | Amarande: yes, but the preamble to the joust was unnecesseryily long. |
| 05:29.37 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, nvm |
| 05:29.47 | Jerub | Amarande: now you can skip it, and you odn't have to run out anymore. |
| 05:29.50 | Adys | someone get me a good comedish show |
| 05:29.59 | Adys | younger than 15 years or so |
| 05:30.05 | Jerub | Adys: show or movie? |
| 05:30.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: the office? |
| 05:30.14 | Adys | show pref, movies are too short |
| 05:30.24 | Adys | preferably something monk-like |
| 05:30.34 | NightHawkTheSane | what was monk about? :P |
| 05:30.34 | Thrae | Adys: Psych? |
| 05:30.37 | Jerub | "Life" isn't a comedy, but I laugh ... |
| 05:30.45 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: detective stuff |
| 05:30.48 | Amarande | Adys: yeah the new Zul'Drak quests make a WORLD of difference |
| 05:30.52 | Jerub | Adys: seen Life? |
| 05:30.56 | Adys | havent |
| 05:30.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: hm.. check out Castle, i find it somewhat amusing |
| 05:30.57 | Amarande | because now you don't need that one for loremaster anyway |
| 05:31.02 | Adys | nor Psych, nor Castle |
| 05:31.07 | Jerub | Adys: you must. it's two beautiful seasons. |
| 05:31.07 | NightHawkTheSane | esp if you like nathan filion |
| 05:31.13 | Amarande | I think now you don't even need Betrayal either |
| 05:31.21 | Jerub | Adys: make sure you get the pirate version recorded off TV not DVD, the music tracks are better. |
| 05:31.23 | Amarande | which is good, because Betrayal is annoying as all hell till you're really geared |
| 05:31.31 | Thrae | Adys: I was surprised when they started out with one eidetic detective comedy and added another one right after it! |
| 05:31.40 | Amarande | I should try it again with my improved gear though I suppose, since it'd give me an ach |
| 05:31.56 | Adys | Thrae: ? |
| 05:32.09 | Amarande | main issue with betrayal: it is basically flat out impossible to do it with one elite troll |
| 05:32.18 | Thrae | Adys: Eidetic Memory == Photographic Memory |
| 05:32.34 | Adys | that I know |
| 05:32.39 | Adys | but ive no idea what you're talking about |
| 05:32.39 | Amarande | if you tame the second elite troll before the first is completely dead, then you tend to fuck up because too often the first one will, once you give up control over it, completely reset, go hostile and proceed to nom you |
| 05:32.59 | Thrae | Well in the US, the USA Network shows Monk and Psych back-to-back. |
| 05:33.01 | Adys | Amarande: if this is the quest Im thinking about, it sucked hard too |
| 05:33.05 | Amarande | if you wait till the first is completely dead though, you can have to take a couple of shadowbolts at least before you can get your next one. |
| 05:33.07 | Adys | Thrae: I wouldnt know |
| 05:33.10 | Thrae | Monk came first, later followed by Psych. |
| 05:33.14 | Amarande | and if you're not geared enough, you can easily die in the time it takes to obtain the second troll |
| 05:33.18 | Amarande | and then it ALL BLOODY RESETS |
| 05:33.27 | Amarande | Adys: the one where you have to defeat Drakuru for good |
| 05:33.27 | Adys | Psych is an American comedy-drama television series created by Steve Frank |
| 05:33.30 | Adys | doesnt start too bad |
| 05:33.32 | Adys | Amarande: ya that one |
| 05:33.47 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont recall that quest ever giving me issues |
| 05:33.55 | Amarande | I pretty much gave up and started flying over Voltarus every now and then hoping the skull would be there and I could loot it without having to go through the masochism |
| 05:33.57 | Amarande | Night: what class? |
| 05:34.01 | Thrae | Adys: You watch Monk the TV show but never Psych? |
| 05:34.15 | NightHawkTheSane | shaman, mage, hunter, death knight, druid, paladin.. pick one? |
| 05:34.19 | Adys | I live in greece |
| 05:34.20 | Adys | shit country |
| 05:34.34 | Amarande | ah, you did do it with a major squishy |
| 05:34.41 | Amarande | was mage the first class you did it with? |
| 05:34.45 | Adys | never heard of psych, looking at it atm |
| 05:34.47 | Thrae | Adys: EZTV.it man |
| 05:34.56 | NightHawkTheSane | no, shaman, but my mage was in quest gear when i did it *shrug* |
| 05:34.57 | Adys | no thanks I like torrents |
| 05:35.11 | Amarande | the main thing I'm thinking is: most of those classes are ones that tend to run high on HP even in quest gear |
| 05:35.27 | Thrae | Adys: If you looked at the site you would see why what you just said is rediculous. |
| 05:35.28 | Amarande | which makes a difference, because you have to survive shit from Drakuru while you get the second troll |
| 05:35.35 | Amarande | (since it IS impossible to do with one, as far as is known) |
| 05:35.39 | NightHawkTheSane | its not that hard... |
| 05:35.54 | Adys | Thrae: oh, thought it was another shitty streaming site |
| 05:36.07 | Thrae | Haha, no, but they do streaming too with select shows! |
| 05:36.55 | Adys | hey that reminds me |
| 05:36.59 | Thrae | EZTV is THE main provider of TV shows, partnered with all the right pirates like TPB, VTV, etc. |
| 05:37.02 | Adys | I got a bunch of unwatched mythbusters |
| 05:37.06 | Adys | good boredom killer |
| 05:37.15 | Amarande | Adys: lucky you |
| 05:37.33 | Amarande | when I watch mythbusters it keeps seeming to end up being ones I've seen :| |
| 05:37.51 | Adys | maybe it helps ive only ever seen two mythbusters |
| 05:37.51 | Amarande | like how whenever I went to watch cowboy bebop on adult swim, it was ALWAYS GATEWAY SHUFFLE. |
| 05:37.56 | Amarande | It was practically NEVER any other one. :| |
| 05:38.35 | Adys | Thrae: Ill give Psych a try |
| 05:38.40 | Adys | cant be bad if it runs after monk right |
| 05:39.10 | NightHawkTheSane | well, it could. i mean, its not a bad idea to run a bad show after a good one.. :P |
| 05:39.16 | Thrae | Adys: It's basically like Monk, except it stars two guys that like to make puns. It's also located in California. |
| 05:39.24 | NightHawkTheSane | (not that im trying to say psych is bad) |
| 05:39.44 | Thrae | Adys: Unlike Monk, it's not deep whatsoever. |
| 05:39.59 | Adys | so it's totally different to monk |
| 05:40.21 | Thrae | Well Monk has deep episodes and just plain funny episodes |
| 05:40.39 | Adys | yeha |
| 05:40.51 | Adys | but on the quality level i mean |
| 05:41.07 | Adys | eh doesnt matter I just need a boredom killer other than working on the db |
| 05:41.16 | Thrae | If you want psychological drama in your detective show, watch Criminal Minds |
| 05:41.26 | Adys | I'll be fine thanks |
| 05:41.56 | Adys | you know Ive been so obsessed with fixing random stuff tonight |
| 05:41.59 | Thrae | I'm a detective show buff, but only when they aren't oversaturated with drama. |
| 05:41.59 | Adys | I didnt even notice |
| 05:42.06 | Adys | how RIDICULOUS the name of http://db.mmo-champion.com/a/4478/looking-for-multitudes/ is |
| 05:42.26 | Thrae | I'll watch Matlock over The Mentalist. |
| 05:42.42 | Adys | i tried watching the mentalist once it was crap |
| 05:43.36 | Adys | hmm |
| 05:43.51 | Adys | "Last activity: 19310 days ago" |
| 05:44.00 | Adys | Apparently this torrent is older than the producer of the show |
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| 05:47.48 | Amarande | 1957? |
| 05:48.03 | Amarande | I was gonna write that one up to epoch fail, but apparently 19310 days is even older than 1970 |
| 05:52.50 | WobWork | Adys: omg what a horrific achievement |
| 05:52.57 | WobWork | I vote that become a feat of strength |
| 05:53.29 | Jerub | wtf |
| 05:53.33 | Jerub | is that a real achievement? |
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| 05:53.40 | Fisker- | Shirik: |
| 05:53.45 | Fisker- | you probably already know this, but fu |
| 05:54.15 | Amarande | Dungeon tool ... they mean the LFG tool or is this something new in 3.3? |
| 05:54.20 | Jerub | Adys: is that new or old? |
| 05:54.42 | ScytheBlade1 | The new cross-server LFG in 3.3 |
| 05:55.01 | Jerub | cross-server LFG? |
| 05:55.03 | Jerub | .... |
| 05:55.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 05:55.11 | Amarande | I wonder how difficult that achievement will be |
| 05:55.16 | Amarande | given that you have to play with *random* people :) |
| 05:55.16 | Jerub | .... I'm going to get 'the patient' in like 5 days. |
| 05:55.31 | Jerub | I pug /all the time/ |
| 05:55.39 | Jerub | http://db.mmo-champion.com/a/4456/lfg-random-lich-king-normal-dungeons-completed/ |
| 05:56.00 | Amarande | Jerub: so do I, but most pugs have at least a certain level of choosiness right now (heavens knows I bitch about it at times) |
| 05:56.12 | Amarande | this one suggests we have to use a totally random tank, healer, and dps |
| 05:56.30 | Amarande | That 18k HP tank who's 100 off the defense cap? You're stuck with him I'm assuming LOL |
| 05:56.55 | ScytheBlade1 | pats LFM sniffer |
| 05:57.06 | Amarande | that pally/druid who wears their tank gear and insists "I can heal?" we're probably stuck with them too :D |
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| 05:57.18 | Jerub | Amarande: I was deadly serious the other night when I told the pugged shamman healer that he was tanking if he let us die in H VH the other day. |
| 05:57.33 | Fisker- | naw Amarande |
| 05:57.38 | Fisker- | you can kick people from the group |
| 05:57.39 | Jerub | I can heal a 4DPS group as a tree. |
| 05:57.55 | Jerub | so does anyone know anyhting about how this will work? |
| 05:58.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Join the queue, it'll pair you up and port everyone to the same instance |
| 05:58.15 | Jerub | is it going to be like trying to get into IoC and waiting 3 hours in a queue? or is it going to be 24/7 emblem farming? |
| 05:58.29 | ScytheBlade1 | That depends on how many people use it |
| 05:58.30 | NightHawkTheSane | i guess that depends on who's grouping, and how picky you are |
| 05:58.40 | NightHawkTheSane | it really can't be any worse than pugging is currently on JUST your server |
| 05:58.46 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 05:59.14 | Jerub | so where can i read about this? |
| 05:59.18 | Fisker- | btw Jerub |
| 05:59.22 | ScytheBlade1 | The PTR |
| 05:59.23 | Fisker- | we're totally screwed :( |
| 05:59.26 | ScytheBlade1 | You can see it in action I'd imagine |
| 05:59.27 | Jerub | Fisker-: why's that? |
| 05:59.34 | NightHawkTheSane | is it even active on the ptr yet? last i saw it was still nyi? |
| 05:59.42 | Fisker- | google wave servers got fucked up |
| 05:59.42 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 05:59.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Then never mind |
| 05:59.48 | NightHawkTheSane | (i coudl be wrong, though) |
| 05:59.51 | Fisker- | probably gotta wait another year for that invite :( |
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| 06:01.41 | Jerub | man, this is the best news ever. |
| 06:01.47 | Jerub | you guys have made my day |
| 06:01.52 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:01.57 | ScytheBlade1 | It was announced at blizzcon iirc |
| 06:02.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Possibly before (?) |
| 06:02.21 | NightHawkTheSane | something like that, i bet you could google around for some news or something |
| 06:03.22 | Jerub | what's the feature called? |
| 06:03.33 | ScytheBlade1 | "cross server LFG" |
| 06:03.37 | ScytheBlade1 | possibly with a dash |
| 06:03.53 | Jerub | I wonder if /trade will be disabled. |
| 06:04.09 | ScytheBlade1 | In the instances? o_0 |
| 06:04.16 | NightHawkTheSane | why would it be? |
| 06:04.21 | Jerub | yeah. imagine cross server market manipulation. |
| 06:04.30 | Fisker- | i wonder how chat works then |
| 06:04.35 | Fisker- | cross-server chat wee! |
| 06:04.37 | Jerub | Fisker-: probably like bg |
| 06:04.42 | Amarande | from what I'm told there is NO chance we will be allowed to trade anything across servers |
| 06:04.44 | Fisker- | that would suck |
| 06:04.44 | Jerub | you get Fisker-Stupidserver |
| 06:04.49 | NightHawkTheSane | can you trade x-server in bgs? |
| 06:04.50 | Amarande | Blizzard is quite aware of the fail that would cause |
| 06:04.55 | Amarande | Night: only conjured items I *think* |
| 06:04.56 | Fisker- | How do we talk about people in the mountains during ulduar then? |
| 06:05.21 | NightHawkTheSane | so, can we be reasonably intelligent, and assume that blizzard are equally reasonably intelligent,a nd it'll work the same? :P |
| 06:05.41 | NightHawkTheSane | an instance is little more than a bg with more npcs and without the other faction |
| 06:05.47 | Fisker- | Why wouldn't we be allowed to trade stuff |
| 06:05.49 | Amarande | I'm more worried about kick abuse. |
| 06:05.56 | Fisker- | that would completely nullify the purpose of the bop timer |
| 06:05.59 | Amarande | There have been a number of scenarios brought up where kick abuse has -already- occurred. |
| 06:06.11 | Jerub | what's kick abuse? |
| 06:06.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Fisker-: they could add an exception for that the same as conjured items |
| 06:06.19 | Jerub | kicking the party before the last boss or something? |
| 06:06.21 | Fisker- | sure |
| 06:06.25 | Amarande | Jerub: similar things to that |
| 06:06.35 | Amarande | kicking someone out of your heroic group so you can invite and summon a guildie in |
| 06:06.45 | NightHawkTheSane | but i'd have to imagine unlimited trading woudl be disabled |
| 06:06.52 | Amarande | or as happened at least once during Brewfest, and which a guild now has a named reputation for on the Turalyon forum |
| 06:07.05 | Jerub | stabs. |
| 06:07.13 | Amarande | these four guild guys took a pug guy to BRD for coren, made him use his summon first, and then kicked him so they could bring in a guildie and thus the four guys got six summons |
| 06:07.31 | Fisker- | that's still not even remotely evil |
| 06:07.41 | Fisker- | Try when you reach a couple of hundred summons |
| 06:07.46 | Fisker- | try again* |
| 06:08.00 | Jerub | I freaking hated coren. |
| 06:08.05 | Jerub | and I didn't manage to get a mount |
| 06:08.14 | Fisker- | i have all 3 |
| 06:08.14 | Fisker- | l2p |
| 06:08.16 | Jerub | and our rogue didn't get his shanker 2.0 either |
| 06:08.17 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, ive never gotten a mount from coren *shrug* |
| 06:08.18 | Amarande | Fisker: the point is the system is just plain too abusable. |
| 06:08.20 | Amarande | and that's just leader kicking. |
| 06:08.27 | Amarande | they added vote kicking with 3.3 didn't they? or did that not make it in? |
| 06:08.45 | Fisker- | i think that will be the only way to kick people anyways |
| 06:08.53 | Amarande | vote kicking seems like it could be abused even worse |
| 06:08.55 | Amarande | I mean, consider this idea |
| 06:08.56 | Fisker- | atleast crossserver |
| 06:09.11 | Amarande | Guy (leader) brings his friend along for heroics, because his friend is a new 80 and needs gear |
| 06:09.26 | Amarande | Other 3 people start getting pissed at the leader's friend's DPS, say |
| 06:09.38 | Amarande | with vote kicking, they can totally subvert the leader and group creator and kick his buddy out |
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| 06:09.50 | Amarande | the leader will thus need to have another buffer friend along all the time in order to ensure this doesn't happen |
| 06:10.17 | Jerub | Amarande: uh, if you're carrying someone through heroics, having 2 friends is ALWAYS a good idea. |
| 06:10.25 | Jerub | otherwise it's actually unfair. |
| 06:10.34 | Amarande | Jerub: well, yeah |
| 06:10.37 | Amarande | it'd get worse with raids, though |
| 06:10.55 | Amarande | for a ten-man raid, you need to have at least what, 4 other yes-men with you to override the other people's veto? |
| 06:11.01 | Amarande | and for 25, you need 11? |
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| 06:12.12 | Amarande | in any case, the fact that vote kicking allows people to override the group leader (who is usually also the guy who made your group in the first place) makes the idea rather fail |
| 06:12.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: i feel sorry for you and the world you live in. it sounds very unpleasant. fortunately, reality is vastly different. :( |
| 06:12.47 | Amarande | well, I suppose there are things leaders can do that are abusive and would make you want to kick them, like ninja looting. |
| 06:13.04 | Amarande | but by then you've finished the instance anyway, because in today's heroic runs only the final boss loot ever tends to actually matter anyway :) |
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| 06:14.13 | Fisker- | rage |
| 06:15.29 | Jerub | there is no excuse for pugging a raid for a carry. |
| 06:15.45 | Fisker- | i hate achievement jerks |
| 06:15.52 | Jerub | you can heroic until you have at least 2 T8.5 pieces, and a smattering of other crap |
| 06:15.56 | Jerub | then you can be a valued raid member |
| 06:16.02 | Fisker- | "link full epix and a dedicated tribute to insanity for this naxx25 run!" |
| 06:16.17 | Fisker- | because obviously you can't do Naxx without having done it before |
| 06:16.22 | DWSR | Fisker: I tend to agree, especially since those achievements mean nothing. |
| 06:16.34 | Fisker- | And even worse are the tards who don't even have them themselves |
| 06:16.55 | Fisker- | And even worse is that you have full epic besides trinkets, but some of the best trinkets are actually ilevel 200 |
| 06:17.11 | Fisker- | well of course not with the new trinkets in totc |
| 06:17.14 | Fisker- | but still |
| 06:17.32 | Jerub | I use AFA for those |
| 06:17.40 | Jerub | even if have the achievement for reals. |
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| 06:18.19 | DWSR | Is there anything special about 64bit Windows disks? |
| 06:18.21 | Amarande | yeah, trinkets, ranged and offhands are VERY deficient this expansion |
| 06:18.23 | DWSR | Like, a different FS or something? |
| 06:18.27 | Jerub | I agree. |
| 06:18.29 | Fisker- | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Ravencrest&n=Fisker <-couldn't get into naxx with this gear (ignore the t9 gloves i just got those) |
| 06:18.32 | DWSR | Amarande: No they're not. |
| 06:18.37 | DWSR | They're downright fucking awful. |
| 06:18.37 | Jerub | fortunately the brewfest trinkets are all purple |
| 06:18.47 | Fisker- | nope DWSR |
| 06:18.48 | Amarande | e.g. ranged, you pretty much HAVE to blow 25 super valuable triumph badges to get something better than san'layn wand that isn't suck. |
| 06:18.50 | Fisker- | why? |
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| 06:18.58 | Amarande | and san'layn wand is "just a blue sry" |
| 06:19.19 | DWSR | Fisker: Because my 64bit W7 machine reads my install disk great, but my other machine won't boot from it (even though I installed W7 on this machine just fine. |
| 06:19.32 | Fisker- | get a better machine |
| 06:19.34 | Amarande | and it's just a good thing offhand doesn't count at all for the epic achievement |
| 06:19.41 | Fisker- | or l2bootorder :P |
| 06:19.44 | Amarande | because, well, finding a good caster offhand above ilvl 200 seems to be the very definition of pain |
| 06:19.48 | DWSR | Amarande: Dude, Brimstone Igniter? |
| 06:19.48 | Jerub | Fisker-: ... i'm sorry, what? are you being serious? |
| 06:19.53 | DWSR | Amarande: From Triumph? It's like 15. |
| 06:20.01 | Fisker- | about what Jerub ? |
| 06:20.02 | Amarande | DWSR: Triumph badges. Which I'd rather save till I have 45 so I can get shoulders? |
| 06:20.11 | DWSR | Amarande: Why? Shoulders drop in ToC. |
| 06:20.12 | DWSR | err. |
| 06:20.14 | DWSR | VoA* |
| 06:20.21 | Amarande | especially since Wand of San'layn is STUPIDLY good for a blue, while my shoulders suck. :) |
| 06:20.29 | Jerub | http://quickarmory.com/?r=Ravencrest&n=Fisker shows no item above ilvl 175 |
| 06:21.01 | DWSR | Amarande: I agree. |
| 06:21.03 | DWSR | But, like. |
| 06:21.07 | DWSR | Just epic everything out. |
| 06:21.07 | Fisker- | note: eu |
| 06:21.21 | Fisker- | http://quickarmory.com/?n=Fisker&r=EU-Ravencrest |
| 06:21.22 | DWSR | You can find better shoulder drops in heroics. |
| 06:21.43 | DWSR | But wands don't drop in any heroics. Have to go to Naxx, and a bunch of those don't have hit. |
| 06:21.47 | Jerub | oh, right. |
| 06:21.53 | Jerub | wait. |
| 06:22.07 | Jerub | Fisker-: .... |
| 06:22.10 | NightHawkTheSane | there's a couple wands that drop from heroics... |
| 06:22.23 | Fisker- | yeah |
| 06:22.30 | Amarande | Night: the only good ones I know of are San'layn and the one from AN |
| 06:22.37 | Amarande | and the one from AN has less useful stats (mainly, no hit) |
| 06:22.40 | Fisker- | "Get some better epix brah" was the response to me |
| 06:22.40 | stolen|school | AN first boss drops one |
| 06:22.58 | Fisker- | The raidleader himself only barely had his epic achievement mostly with unenchanted and ungemmed pvp gear |
| 06:23.08 | Jerub | Fisker-: ... that's insane. |
| 06:23.11 | Amarande | Fisker: that's just fail |
| 06:23.14 | Jerub | Fisker-: like, seriously, that's deranged. |
| 06:23.18 | Fisker- | ^^ |
| 06:23.26 | Amarande | ungemmed gear should be something you hide like a leper while wearing |
| 06:23.39 | Amarande | unless you JUST got it and it's a good enough upgrade to use for the rest of the raid meanwhile |
| 06:24.05 | Amarande | hell, even BC gems are better than going ungemmed |
| 06:24.35 | Fisker- | well green wotlk gems = blue or epic bc gems if i recall correctly |
| 06:24.45 | Dagmar | Fisker-: Wait, someone thought *you* needed upgrades badly? |
| 06:24.46 | Amarande | actually, I'm pretty sure they're slightly better than the epic bc gems |
| 06:24.59 | Amarande | lol, wonder what your RL would have said about http://www.wowhead.com/?profile=us.turalyon.alvaerin |
| 06:25.00 | Fisker- | Dagmar i doubt he even bothered checking my gear |
| 06:25.15 | Dagmar | Clearly he didn't |
| 06:25.21 | Amarande | (yeah, 187 hat. I'm stuck with it till I at least get the one from HTOC.) |
| 06:25.37 | Dagmar | I don't think you're likely to find much to upgrade outside of Uldua |
| 06:25.37 | Dagmar | r |
| 06:26.03 | Fisker- | But i linked my epic, he replied "Lol get some epics brah", then i told him that getting ilevel 213 trinkets was obviously more important than running around just barely achieving epic in ungemmed/unenchanted pvp gear |
| 06:26.12 | Jerub | http://quickarmory.com/?n=brandi&r=Dath'Remar was enough to get my guild invites for 10man raid teams on the weekend. |
| 06:26.35 | Fisker- | luckily i'm already done with naxx |
| 06:26.41 | Fisker- | only needed it for the badges |
| 06:26.53 | DWSR | Amarande: Skullcap of the Argent Crusade? |
| 06:27.01 | Amarande | yeah, are the 213 trinkets even that shatteringly better than the 200 JC BoP trinkets? |
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| 06:27.27 | DWSR | Amarande: No. Monarch Crab is STILL one of the best tank trinks. |
| 06:27.42 | Amarande | I don't see that Skullcap listed on WoWhead |
| 06:28.07 | Amarande | I'm thinking of http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47564 |
| 06:28.13 | Dagmar | Jerub: Keep whackin' those pinatas man |
| 06:28.18 | Dagmar | Pretty nice |
| 06:28.35 | Jerub | I'm on nearly 50 EoC and |
| 06:28.35 | Fisker- | i almost wish there was some kind of dps achievement |
| 06:28.41 | Jerub | EoT |
| 06:28.43 | DWSR | Amarande: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44019 |
| 06:28.45 | Fisker- | but then i realize it would probably just make matters worse |
| 06:28.47 | DWSR | Argent Skullcap* |
| 06:28.57 | Amarande | DWSR: two issues with that one |
| 06:28.59 | Amarande | it's ilvl *174& |
| 06:29.04 | Amarande | and more importantly, it has no meta socket |
| 06:29.10 | Amarande | it is accepted wisdom that helms without meta sockets are fail |
| 06:29.15 | DWSR | But it has 61 hit rating. |
| 06:29.25 | DWSR | Which is way better than anything you can put in a meta if you aren't hit capped yet. |
| 06:29.37 | Amarande | I already passed that quest, anyway |
| 06:29.39 | Dagmar | Amarande: That's short-sighted |
| 06:29.53 | Dagmar | ...although it does look like above a certain ilevel there's going to be a bloody meta socket on it |
| 06:30.11 | Dagmar | Might as well just add 3% crit outright to them tho |
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| 06:30.32 | DWSR | There is no meta gem worth more than 61 hit rating below hit cap. |
| 06:30.46 | DWSR | Because hit rating is approximately 2.1 DPS per point below cap. |
| 06:31.19 | DWSR | So that's ~128DPS from just the hit alone. |
| 06:31.22 | Amarande | there's a few lacking meta items, though |
| 06:31.24 | Amarande | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45435 for instance |
| 06:31.25 | Dagmar | How does _that_ math work? |
| 06:31.43 | Dagmar | 2.1 DPS below cap? |
| 06:31.53 | Dagmar | So what if use rubber bullets and a level 35 gun |
| 06:32.08 | DWSR | Dagmar: He's a warlock. Can't use guns. |
| 06:32.09 | DWSR | ;) |
| 06:32.28 | Fisker- | lies, he can use egan's blaster |
| 06:32.38 | DWSR | lol, the super soaker. |
| 06:32.42 | Dagmar | I'm just saying there's no direct correlation between hit and DPS because it's proportional |
| 06:32.47 | Amarande | Dagmar: there's hunters that apparently bring such gear to heroics, LOL |
| 06:32.51 | Jerub | I need to upgrade http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37889 |
| 06:32.59 | Dagmar | Amarande: Bring what such gear to heroics? |
| 06:33.19 | DWSR | Dagmar: Everything else remaining equal, hit is worth 2.1DPS per point below cap (approximately, it also depends on what your other gear is like). |
| 06:33.19 | Dagmar | Jerub: Whack that HToC pinata more |
| 06:33.26 | DWSR | For Warlocks, anyway. |
| 06:33.34 | DWSR | Other classes it's not worth as much. |
| 06:33.34 | Dagmar | DWSR: Yes, because your other gear determins what your DPS is |
| 06:33.41 | Fisker- | aaah |
| 06:33.44 | Jerub | i hate htoc. i pug it because i can't trust my guildies, and i end up with fail groups too often. |
| 06:33.46 | Shirik | Do recording studios still record onto analog media? |
| 06:33.52 | Dagmar | It's fundamentally flawed to declare that to be a fixed number |
| 06:34.00 | Dagmar | Shirik: Almost never |
| 06:34.03 | DWSR | Shirik: Depends on the studio. |
| 06:34.06 | Shirik | that seems strange |
| 06:34.08 | DWSR | Occasionally, but not often. |
| 06:34.09 | Dagmar | Hi there. |
| 06:34.13 | Shirik | I don't see why they wouldn't |
| 06:34.14 | Dagmar | I do IT in Nashville. |
| 06:34.18 | Dagmar | I've done it up and down Music Row |
| 06:34.23 | Dagmar | There's very little tape in Nashville |
| 06:34.28 | DWSR | Dagmar: I'm not claiming it to be a fixed number, but it hovers around 2DPS per hit rating. |
| 06:34.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: its more of a niche thing these days, but its still done |
| 06:34.38 | Fisker- | the reason why social networking sites isn't always the cancer killing the internet: Some guy stole like $3000 from a woman, then bragged about it on a danish social networking site, including pictures, and that got used against him in court |
| 06:34.40 | Fisker- | lol'd |
| 06:34.43 | Dagmar | There's no "hovers around", it's simply bad math. |
| 06:35.02 | Amarande | Fisker: stupid people will always exist no matter what technology is in vogue |
| 06:35.11 | Thunder_Child | Fisker, it's not the sites that are the cancer, it's the people..... |
| 06:35.12 | Dagmar | If you have 1% more hit, you get 1% more DPS, because you hit 1% more of the time. |
| 06:35.14 | Amarande | just like there will be bank robbers who write their stickup note on the back of their personalized deposit slip |
| 06:35.17 | DWSR | Dagmar: No. |
| 06:35.21 | Amarande | or liquor store robbers that show their ID before robbing :) |
| 06:35.25 | Dagmar | Note _percent_, not "around 2.1" |
| 06:35.30 | Dagmar | It's entirely dependent on your DPS. |
| 06:35.33 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 06:35.35 | DWSR | No. |
| 06:35.37 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 06:35.39 | DWSR | No. |
| 06:35.49 | DWSR | Prove it to me. With math. |
| 06:35.53 | DWSR | Or better yet, with simcraft. |
| 06:35.59 | Jerub | i don't think there's an offhand in htoc |
| 06:35.59 | Thunder_Child | or my fave, people that stick up police departments |
| 06:36.05 | Jerub | there's offhands in toc10/25 |
| 06:36.05 | Dagmar | If you have 1000 DPS and your hit rating is nil, and you therefore miss 8% of the time, you do _what_ DPS? |
| 06:36.13 | Dagmar | There's some math for you. |
| 06:36.14 | Amarande | TC: or folks who stick up gun stores in Texas? :) |
| 06:36.34 | DWSR | Dagmar: 1000. DPS takes into account your hit rating. ;) |
| 06:36.36 | Thunder_Child | Amarande, in texas? a gun store could be the guy walking down the street |
| 06:36.39 | Dagmar | I'll help you. It means you hit 92% of the time, which means you get 92% of 1000. |
| 06:37.09 | Dagmar | So 920 DPS. |
| 06:37.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: interestingly, that also applies to nyc |
| 06:37.25 | Dagmar | If your paperdoll, base DPS is only 500, it's 92% of 500. |
| 06:37.39 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, yes, but it's actually legal in texis |
| 06:37.42 | Thunder_Child | texas* |
| 06:37.50 | Amarande | Jerub: yeah, good offhands are hard to get |
| 06:37.57 | Amarande | you still can't buy one with badges that's above the old heroism ones |
| 06:38.00 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, that's not actually necessarily true |
| 06:38.08 | DWSR | Amarande: Chalice of Benedictus, if you're Alliance. |
| 06:38.13 | Jerub | there aren't EoT offhands? |
| 06:38.15 | Jerub | I thought there are. |
| 06:38.19 | Amarande | Jerub: Nope. |
| 06:38.20 | DWSR | No. |
| 06:38.20 | Dagmar | If you increase your hit rating by 1% in either case, you gain 100 DPS in the first case, 50 DPS in the second. |
| 06:38.23 | Amarande | DWSR: what's the Horde version? |
| 06:38.33 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: It a hell of a lot truer than "hit is 2.1 DPS per" |
| 06:38.40 | DWSR | Amarande: Chalice of Benedictus. ;) |
| 06:38.49 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, it's better, but it's still not correct. some specs lose DPS nonlinearly as hit goes down |
| 06:38.57 | DWSR | Dagmar: ^^ |
| 06:39.01 | olafski | oh wow that chalice looks cool |
| 06:39.01 | Amarande | In any case, right now my hit rating is -exactly- on the Horde raiding sweet spot. |
| 06:39.04 | ZorbaBeta | WoW DPS tends to be significantly more complex than "hit the button and see if you hit". |
| 06:39.12 | DWSR | Also, the co-relation between hit and DPS is not neccessarily 1:1. |
| 06:39.14 | Dagmar | DWSR: So how does conflict with my claim that your numbers were so incorrect as to be nearly nonsense |
| 06:39.15 | ZorbaBeta | I do agree it's much better than "2.1 dps per", however :) |
| 06:39.18 | Amarande | Which is why I'm so picky about replacing the pieces of gear that have hit on them, as I need to replace it if I do. |
| 06:39.28 | DWSR | Dagmar: Because your numbers are slightly less but still so nonsensical as to be useless. |
| 06:39.33 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaBeta: the reverse is true as well, though, some gain it non-linearly. *shrug* while it's not accurate, its a fair rule of thumb |
| 06:39.34 | Dagmar | No, they're not. |
| 06:39.38 | Amarande | 368 hit rating is perfect for a warlock with no points in Suppression on Horde. |
| 06:39.43 | DWSR | Amarande: No it's not. |
| 06:39.49 | DWSR | 446 is perfect hit rating for a warlock. Period. |
| 06:39.51 | Dagmar | This isn't the forums. |
| 06:39.58 | Dagmar | Say a bunch of stupid stuff and people will remember it. |
| 06:39.59 | Amarande | DWSR: okay, you might need 446 if your raid is total fail and doesn't have a spriest or a boomkin. :) |
| 06:40.04 | ZorbaBeta | nighthawk, true. as I remember, feral druids don't care much about hit at all |
| 06:40.06 | DWSR | Soulshatter doesn't gain hit from talents or debuffs or you have a shitty comp. |
| 06:40.26 | Amarande | however, general consensus seems to be that if a raid doesn't have a spriest or a boomkin to give the 3% hit bonus, that raid is fail |
| 06:41.07 | DWSR | http://elitistjerks.com/f80/t48311-simulationcraft_warlocks_3_3_numbers/ <-- What. The. Fuck. |
| 06:41.11 | Amarande | DWSR: I don't think I've seen any advice saying one should slot in 78 hit rating at the expense of other, DPS-benefitting itemization simply for a surer Soulshatter though. |
| 06:41.21 | DWSR | Amarande: Nope. |
| 06:41.22 | DWSR | Not at all. |
| 06:41.27 | DWSR | Amarande: But I look at it this way. |
| 06:41.40 | DWSR | If I have 446 hit rating, I can probably swap out a piece or two and drop to 386. |
| 06:41.45 | Dagmar | You overlook the "assuming best in slot gear" |
| 06:41.48 | DWSR | I'm not respec'ing. |
| 06:41.53 | Dagmar | I'm not even going to get excited about those numbers. |
| 06:41.58 | DWSR | Dagmar: No, I'm not excited either. |
| 06:42.04 | Jerub | yeah, feral droods don't compute hit, it's all about the armor pen and str/agil |
| 06:42.08 | DWSR | I'm puzzled as to why the spec with 3% hit rating is higher than no hit. |
| 06:42.12 | Dagmar | If you have the freaking best of everything in the game, you ABSOLUTELY SHOULD do *pornographic* DPS as just about any DPS class. |
| 06:42.15 | Jerub | I think I actually neeed to do more str less agi at the moment on my drood |
| 06:42.36 | Amarande | DWSR: probably some arcane itemization matter |
| 06:42.36 | Dagmar | I *really* wish EJ would come up with a better point on the stick to measure from |
| 06:42.41 | DWSR | Dagmar: I'm not excited about the numbers. |
| 06:42.48 | Amarande | 0/13/58 probably needs a different BIS item at soem point that gives less DPS than 3/13/55 because it needs to get that 78 hit rating |
| 06:42.52 | Jerub | on 25voa, I managed 1800dps on korolon wearing my /healer/ gear in kitty. |
| 06:43.10 | Dagmar | Jerub: Buffs are wonderful |
| 06:43.12 | Jerub | no kitty is allowed to do less DPS than that in a raid now. |
| 06:43.14 | DWSR | Jerub:What, did you have a enh shammy AND a warrior? |
| 06:43.38 | Amarande | Dagmar: Yeah, now I feel weak doing 3-4k or so |
| 06:43.44 | Jerub | I didn't hit my 'cat dps gear' button |
| 06:43.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: isn't agi all around better than str these days for a kitty? its been a bit since i kept up with it though |
| 06:44.15 | Dagmar | Amarande: I mainly dont' get excited about it unless I'm way out of the place in the listings I should be |
| 06:44.17 | DWSR | Amarande: Locks in general, destro locks in particular, have no excuse to be doing under 3k once they step foot inside of a raid, assuming that they hit a week or 2 worth of solid heroics. |
| 06:44.22 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: it's a curve with diminishing returns. after a certain point, (like 100 str, 800 agi) you're better off doing +50 str than +50 agi. |
| 06:44.42 | Dagmar | Amarande: Generally I'm right behind the mages, and they have more issues with moving than I do |
| 06:44.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: hm. silly druid math keeps changing on me. >< |
| 06:44.56 | ZorbaBeta | in general, most DPS stats in WoW are multiplicative with each other |
| 06:44.59 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: str goes straight on the dps, while agi has all sorts of side effects and gives you more dps |
| 06:45.00 | Amarande | although relieved that I seem to be doing 4k at times, and rarely below 3k unless it's an encounter with stupid amounts of movement or one where recount gets confused (like anomalus where dot ticks while he's immune count beastly against you) |
| 06:45.12 | ZorbaBeta | so the question becomes at what point they break evenly against each other, and what the relative ratios are, and what caps are |
| 06:45.18 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Give in an admit that one needs a graduates degree to sort out gear in this game. Install Rawr. Sort gear. Drool. |
| 06:45.21 | Amarande | especially since, with cross-server LFG, I might feel very glad I have good DPS. |
| 06:45.29 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: I spent a few days reading elitist jerks and came out of it a better cat. (and literally double dps in 2 days) |
| 06:45.32 | DWSR | Hmm...interesting. |
| 06:45.35 | Amarande | I have to consider, after all, the fact that I might get paired with two fresh 80s who deal 1400. :) |
| 06:45.37 | DWSR | Warlock DPS is getting a buff in 3.3 |
| 06:45.38 | DWSR | A little. |
| 06:45.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: yeah, i understand that, but some of the mechanics of how agi interacts (mostly wrt to agi->crit, and lately the ability to crit with dots) that tends to change that up every patch or two :P |
| 06:45.44 | Jerub | I can't run rawr. |
| 06:45.49 | Dagmar | What? |
| 06:45.50 | Dagmar | Mac? |
| 06:45.57 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: after 40% crit, str > agi to a point. |
| 06:45.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: wtb rawr as a web app like it should have been. >< |
| 06:46.07 | Jerub | Dagmar: mac and linux. |
| 06:46.12 | Dagmar | Personally I'd rather it were done in perl, but thta's just me carping about scoping |
| 06:46.19 | Amarande | rawr doesn't work in wine? |
| 06:46.21 | Jerub | and linux with mono version 1 higher than is required to run rawr. |
| 06:46.29 | DWSR | Anyone here like Rawr over Simcraft? |
| 06:46.29 | Jerub | Amarande: it's C#, so requires mono. |
| 06:46.35 | DWSR | And is Rawr's warlock implementation complete? |
| 06:46.44 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: but, yeah, what i'm looking forward to in cataclysm is hopefully simpler stats so i can actually eyeball my gear and not fuck it up |
| 06:46.46 | Dagmar | It needs Silverlight, which is the actual show-stopper or I'd be running it under Linux |
| 06:46.53 | DWSR | NHTS: All about Pawn dood. |
| 06:46.53 | Amarande | I've never tried Simcraft ... and yeah, Rawr seems to be up to date on warlocks |
| 06:47.02 | Amarande | I think if you have 2.2.17 or newer, you're okay with locks |
| 06:47.05 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: have it, love it, hate that i love it. :P |
| 06:47.06 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: but when i last looked at the math i was having trouble hitting 35% crit, but at the moment i get nearly 50% with buffs. |
| 06:47.08 | DWSR | Amarande: Simcraft's good, just a fucking PITA to configure. |
| 06:47.16 | DWSR | NHTS: Isn't it so nice though? |
| 06:47.18 | Amarande | it wasn't till ... 2.2.14 or so I think that they updated to 3.2 locks? and for several versions after that it kept hanging on warlocks |
| 06:47.20 | Jerub | also, it all got wiggy when 'no buffs' == MoW + 8%Kings. |
| 06:47.22 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Yeah. I'm just a little spooked that with the near anorexicness in post 80 gear, they'll maybe overdo it a little and it'll be like freaking FreeRealms |
| 06:47.30 | Dagmar | There, you just look at *one* number. |
| 06:47.32 | NightHawkTheSane | pawns okay, but its only as good as the numbers you put in, and i have an inherent distrust of numbers i can't sit down and verify myself :P |
| 06:47.33 | Dagmar | If it's higher, it's better. |
| 06:47.44 | Dagmar | A bit *too* simple |
| 06:47.50 | Dagmar | ...and definitely rigid. |
| 06:48.02 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: I'm -almost- tempted to say that's still better than the current alternative |
| 06:48.06 | DWSR | Dagmar: Ideally, you're recalculating your scale factors every time you get a new piece of gear. |
| 06:48.12 | Dagmar | Yes, I am. |
| 06:48.36 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: http://elitistjerks.com/f73/t36999-feral_druid_numbers_updated_3_2_2_a/ |
| 06:48.42 | DWSR | Dagmar: So I don't really see how it's rigid then? |
| 06:48.55 | Dagmar | Heck I actually root around in Rawr's source when the projected DPS and mine dont match well enough |
| 06:49.12 | Dagmar | DWSR: It's rigid because basically there's very little in the way of choice. |
| 06:49.16 | Dagmar | You get a shirt, it makes you tougher. |
| 06:49.29 | Dagmar | Doesn't make you necessarily stronger or harder to kill, just "tougher" |
| 06:50.00 | Dagmar | In WoW with a given range of gear you can go all over the place with your stats |
| 06:50.41 | DWSR | Dagmar: With Pawn as a DPS class, I like to think of the number it gives you as a DPS value of the item. |
| 06:50.45 | Jerub | is it weird to get significantly more DPS in a heroic than on a dummy? |
| 06:50.48 | DWSR | This item is worth this much DPS. |
| 06:50.50 | DWSR | Jerub: No. |
| 06:50.52 | Dagmar | Warlocks wearing magey gear, mages wearing warlockish gear for PvP, etc etc |
| 06:50.53 | olafski | no : |
| 06:50.53 | Jerub | kk |
| 06:51.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Jerub: not at all, you're typically buffed some in a heroic |
| 06:51.01 | olafski | buffs, aoe etc |
| 06:51.05 | Dagmar | Jerub: Most people do dummies without buffs other than self buffs so yes |
| 06:51.14 | Dagmar | Pretty normal to exceed dummy damage in a group |
| 06:51.37 | olafski | on the other hand on a dummy there's no movement so you can execute your rotation perfectly |
| 06:51.49 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, dummy damage is bad for some classes and horrible for others |
| 06:51.54 | Dagmar | For ranged DPS it's a bit easier |
| 06:51.59 | ZorbaBeta | warriors really get screwed on dummies thanks to their inevitably awful rage generation |
| 06:52.00 | Dagmar | Mostly we just stand there and push buttons |
| 06:52.16 | NightHawkTheSane | dummys were neverm eant for dps tests though ;) |
| 06:52.22 | Amarande | btw: have I finally gotten a clue in thinking of the idea that, in PUGs, generally you need the group to be way better geared than a guild run to have the same chance of success in the raid, and that *this* is why PUGs get picky? :) |
| 06:52.37 | Amarande | because, after all, you need to kill the boss faster before you wipe from accumulated fuckups that don't happen in good guild runs? |
| 06:52.46 | Dagmar | Mostly I think it's just people are lazy and don't want to risk someone who has neither gear, nor skill. |
| 06:53.24 | Amarande | although I can name some things in WoW that are probably harder than anything but a heroic raid, when done at appropriate level and gear :) |
| 06:53.30 | olafski | seems that way amarande |
| 06:53.32 | Amarande | the escort in RFD comes to mind, in particular. |
| 06:53.43 | olafski | I had a pug healer the other day crying about our tank having only 27k HP in VH HC |
| 06:53.54 | Amarande | dear god. |
| 06:53.57 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 06:54.01 | olafski | wtf, only 27k |
| 06:54.02 | Amarande | I took a tank with about that much for Heroic CoS and we did fine |
| 06:54.05 | Amarande | we even got the bonus boss |
| 06:54.08 | Amarande | and I have a bronze drake now |
| 06:54.11 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, i either have had the best luck ever, or am on the best server ever, because the (admittedly generally few) times i pug, i never have an issue. assuming the group comp is sane, you do the run, mumble thanks, and leave.. *shrug* |
| 06:54.16 | Jerub | hm, i should look into armor pen properly now that i've got better gear |
| 06:54.19 | olafski | I dunno how much our guild's MT had when he just hit 80.. probably more like 23k and I could heal him just fine in my just-80 gear :< |
| 06:54.27 | Amarande | Night: yeah, our PUGs tend to work out just fine here too :) |
| 06:54.29 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: We like to call on people we've pugged with to fill in guild runs |
| 06:54.34 | Amarande | I think the Ony25 PUG was the only time I've seen truly epic fail |
| 06:54.43 | Amarande | they're just a little ... pickier about gear than I keep thinking they should be |
| 06:54.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: really? the way you go on.. and on... and on.. i would have thought you have pugs fall apart every time. |
| 06:54.55 | NightHawkTheSane | (and on.. and on...) |
| 06:55.02 | Dagmar | Amarande: Of course they are. Their assessment of gear is warped from reading all the idiots on the forusm |
| 06:55.07 | Amarande | ok, we did wipe twice on emalon 25, but that's because people forgot about killing overcharged adds |
| 06:55.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: hell, i'm talking about random lfg-system pugs. :P |
| 06:55.25 | Dagmar | They're under the impression that when you hit 80 you should magically be doing 3000+ DPS immediately, without buffs or you just suck |
| 06:56.00 | Dagmar | Amarande: Failure to counter a raid-wipe condition is truly epic fail |
| 06:56.40 | jpmorgan | overconcern with other player's abilities is the hallmark of a weak player |
| 06:56.40 | Amarande | Dagmar: I think we had a lot of people new to the encounter |
| 06:56.40 | Dagmar | "I clearly suck, so I need to get people who don't so we won't all die" |
| 06:56.40 | Amarande | and since Emalon is the only one with adds, let alone adds needing specific handling, it wasn't till then that we noted this weakness of the raid |
| 06:56.42 | Amarande | since we took out Koralon with ease, pretty much |
| 06:56.53 | Dagmar | Amarande: Ah... I tell people the Important Things in bullet point form just to make sure they're aware |
| 06:57.10 | Dagmar | It'll probably seem less weird to people after they've seen Zombieland |
| 06:57.12 | Jerub | Dagmar: 3000+ dps should be attainable for anyone at 80 who knows their class and has ilvl 200+ gear |
| 06:57.18 | Amarande | zombieland? |
| 06:57.27 | Dagmar | Jerub: Yes, but who gets to 80 and *has* that already? |
| 06:57.41 | Dagmar | Amarande: Zombie apocalypse movie that just came out |
| 06:58.07 | Dagmar | One of the protagonists has a hard and fast list of rules that help him survive, and they pretty much put the words right there on the screen. |
| 06:58.26 | Dagmar | "Rule #1: Cardio" ... because the first people to die are the ones who can't outrun zombies |
| 06:58.59 | Dagmar | There's rules like "Check The Back Seat" and "Double-Tap" (make damn sure the zombie isn't getting back up) |
| 06:59.05 | Amarande | Looks like Rawr is currently rating me at about 3.5K, which is counting only a flask, spellpower food, buffs I can provide myself, and the assumption that there's a spriest to provide the 3% extra hit. |
| 06:59.24 | Amarande | Which is probably why I hit 4K+ on some bosses with some groups, since I'm not counting most raid buffs at all |
| 06:59.28 | Dagmar | HToC: "Rule #1: Don't stand in the stuff." |
| 06:59.31 | Dagmar | etc etc |
| 06:59.39 | Jerub | Dagmar: 1 day of farming heroics == ilvl200 all round. |
| 06:59.49 | Dagmar | "1 day" is a lot of time |
| 06:59.59 | Dagmar | Easier to just start whacking ToC and then HToC |
| 07:00.01 | Amarande | one of my Rawr setup rules of thumb, since I PUG, is to assume that the raid is a crappy one with bare-bones basics and is clueless about spreading bufs. |
| 07:00.12 | Jerub | hm. that's true. |
| 07:00.18 | Dagmar | Amarande: Yay for consolation drums then |
| 07:00.20 | Jerub | 1 day of farming ntoc == ilvl200 all round. |
| 07:00.26 | Dagmar | Pretty much |
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| 07:00.37 | Amarande | Dagmar: This way, I get a DPS figure of "at least this" rather than assuming I'm going to get optimal conditions and then disappointing myself and the raid when I don't deliver what I promised the RL |
| 07:00.41 | Dagmar | I shot from 75 to 80 so fast on the DK that I think I got two upgrades during that period |
| 07:00.53 | Dagmar | Straight into ToC with four other brand new guild alts |
| 07:01.07 | Jerub | I started toc at 78 |
| 07:01.11 | Amarande | Like what happened with Ony25. |
| 07:01.28 | Jerub | oooh, do you guys think [Scale of Onyxia] will end up having recipies for it? |
| 07:01.31 | Amarande | I got 4K+ on a particular encounter (Coren Direbrew, under pretty much ideal conditions, I didn't get any stun beer and wasn't hit with the mole machine either) |
| 07:01.36 | Jerub | I'm consdiering stockpiling stacks of it. |
| 07:01.43 | Dagmar | They definitely nerfed that beer. |
| 07:01.44 | Amarande | and then kinda assumed "okay, I can do 4K" and disappointed the Ony25 leader because I only ever managed 3.5 |
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| 07:01.53 | Amarande | Dagmar: I don't know if they did. |
| 07:01.57 | Dagmar | I ran that at least 15-16 times and didn't get a SINGLE BEER from those stingy bitches |
| 07:01.58 | Amarande | I think Coren just dies too quickly now to tell. |
| 07:02.08 | Dagmar | He's not the one throwing beer at you |
| 07:02.18 | Amarande | Jerub: there's still the cloak! |
| 07:02.19 | Dagmar | Last year if you ignored that beer, you could easily wipe it |
| 07:02.52 | Amarande | actually, onyxia skinning seems a bit odd to me |
| 07:02.52 | Amarande | she's huge |
| 07:02.55 | Amarande | and you get three scales. :) |
| 07:02.57 | Jerub | 4 |
| 07:03.00 | Jerub | you get 4 sclaes. |
| 07:03.03 | Dagmar | Which you turn into cloaks if you're a letherworker |
| 07:03.08 | Amarande | it reminds me of the red dragon in Neverwinter Nights 2 |
| 07:03.11 | Amarande | which PISSED THE HELL off of me |
| 07:03.19 | Dagmar | I got 3 I thought, must be 4 in 25-man |
| 07:03.28 | Amarande | see, the thing is, you get one set of dragon scales from the endeavor |
| 07:03.40 | Amarande | now ... I was following a crafter character guide, and was looking forward to making red dragon armor |
| 07:03.48 | Dagmar | So you make something worth keeping for you |
| 07:03.50 | Amarande | only to find the game demands *three* sets of scales to make anything with it |
| 07:03.54 | Amarande | and there's only ONE IN THE GAME |
| 07:04.10 | Jerub | i skinned her in 10 and 25 and got 4 each time |
| 07:04.38 | Jerub | Dagmar: but isn' that a level 60 cloak? |
| 07:04.53 | Dagmar | Yeah, *now* |
| 07:04.59 | Amarande | Jerub: you still might want it for BWL, especially if you have less than 20k HP |
| 07:04.59 | Dagmar | It's also a special-purpose cloak |
| 07:05.14 | Dagmar | ...for an instance hardly anyone's going to do at 80 unless they're pretty drunk first. |
| 07:05.25 | Amarande | Dagmar: or if they are doing the AQ40 chain |
| 07:05.29 | Jerub | oh shit, i'm going to need it then. |
| 07:05.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: well, there would have been a (arguably justified) shitstorm if they removed them entirely ;P |
| 07:05.52 | Dagmar | I'm just hanging onto the head a bit longer to see what happens in 3.3 |
| 07:06.05 | Dagmar | I figure they *might* change the recipe you get |
| 07:06.28 | Amarande | Dagmar: I don't think they'd screw over LW's by locking you out of the recipe for good if you did it before then |
| 07:06.41 | Amarande | just like how you can still get clamlette surprise even if you did the cooking quest long ago |
| 07:06.41 | Dagmar | Plus I want to see people's reaction the next time I go when it says I'm invalid for the roll. |
| 07:06.43 | Dagmar | :) |
| 07:06.47 | Jerub | they're finally giving LWs better shit |
| 07:07.01 | Dagmar | Amarande: No I'm figuring they'll give a *better* recipe |
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| 07:07.05 | Jerub | with the drums of forgotten kings/the wild we've actually had a huge boost in the last patch |
| 07:07.08 | Dagmar | Something more appropriate to level 80 |
| 07:07.14 | Amarande | Dagmar: I'm figuring that even if you got the 60 recipe |
| 07:07.24 | Amarande | if you're registered as having finished the 80 quest, they'll give you the 80 recipe when it comes out |
| 07:07.30 | Amarande | like they did with the cooking quest recipe. |
| 07:07.37 | Dagmar | Really? |
| 07:07.39 | Dagmar | Interesting |
| 07:07.39 | Jerub | Dagmar: what shitstorm? |
| 07:07.53 | Dagmar | Still, as long as those cloaks are of limited utility, I'm just keeping the head in the bank |
| 07:08.01 | Amarande | Dagmar: Yeah. If you didn't know (as you might not if you've been GM cook for ages) |
| 07:08.07 | Amarande | they don't require quests or books anymore to increase cooking |
| 07:08.15 | Amarande | so the reward from the Tanaris cooking quest is now a unique recipe |
| 07:08.24 | Dagmar | I've got it |
| 07:08.27 | Amarande | BUT, if you did the Tanaris cooking quest before, you just have to go talk to the turn-in guy to get it. |
| 07:08.40 | Dagmar | I have pretty much all the cooking recipes except the Horde ones I could care two figs about |
| 07:08.41 | Amarande | I figure they'd do something similar with the Onyxia head quest, since I don't think you can do it twice |
| 07:09.06 | Amarande | I have all the cooking recipes but the chimaerok chops, the thistle tea and the upcoming holiday ones |
| 07:09.13 | Dagmar | Ooo... I should roll down there and look. I'm almost out of noggenfogger anyway |
| 07:09.23 | Dagmar | Man I helped someone get those chops recently. |
| 07:09.28 | Amarande | I'm planning to get started on the AQ40 chain so I can get the chops |
| 07:09.30 | Dagmar | I'll take a pass on that recipe |
| 07:09.49 | Dagmar | Dragonbreath Chili is fun enough for me |
| 07:09.52 | Amarande | the thistle tea, I'll probably never get, since that would depend on someone having a dusty old BoE copy (probably from another server transferring in) and selling it for likely 10k+ |
| 07:10.04 | Dagmar | I *am* a little disappointed you can't roast squirrels with it |
| 07:10.17 | Dagmar | Amarande: Doesn't matter. They took it away. |
| 07:10.21 | Dagmar | I actually knew it |
| 07:10.34 | Amarande | I still like the idea that's been floating around about the Thistle Tea, though. |
| 07:10.46 | Dagmar | You'd have thought someone jammed a live extention cord into my butt when I read they were talking about switching hunters to use Focus |
| 07:10.49 | Amarande | Some have suggested it should be available to all cooks who reach Exalted or maybe Revered with Ravenholdt |
| 07:10.58 | Amarande | which would make the rep actually worth getting :) |
| 07:10.59 | Dagmar | I was like "WHOA. They don't expect me to have that!" |
| 07:11.06 | Dagmar | I look, it's gone. |
| 07:11.33 | Amarande | I wonder how they're going to adjust that one MM talent once hunters use focus, then |
| 07:11.41 | Amarande | because that then becomes the sole thing Int is useful to them for |
| 07:11.47 | Amarande | (other than faster skillups on weapons, anyway) |
| 07:11.52 | Dagmar | Well, I think they might require you also gain vampirism and go drink your pet's focus. |
| 07:12.14 | Dagmar | It's about the only thing int is useful for for hunters anyway |
| 07:12.31 | Dagmar | ...and since MM is "spare parts" most people who aren't die-hard about being cookie-cutter SV have it |
| 07:12.49 | Amarande | yeah, I'm not sure I know anyone else who's MM :) |
| 07:12.58 | Amarande | heck I actually decided I'm going to level MM. |
| 07:13.03 | Dagmar | I saw someone who was 0/71/0 once. |
| 07:13.17 | Amarande | I'll probably use my dual spec for a trap-heavy SV spec for specific encounters that need it. |
| 07:13.21 | Dagmar | I can't say it was "wrong" exactly, it just seemed a wee bit narrow-minded |
| 07:13.38 | Amarande | If I bother with it at all, I still haven't bought dual spec on anyone |
| 07:13.42 | Amarande | For the warlock, it seems useless |
| 07:13.45 | Amarande | I mean, I can DPS or I can ... DPS? |
| 07:13.59 | Dagmar | You can spec to tank |
| 07:14.00 | Dagmar | :) |
| 07:14.02 | Amarande | and seeing the comparison between Destro and the other trees, that means "I can DPS or I can do crappy DPS" :) |
| 07:14.09 | Jerub | my feral is 0/55/15 |
| 07:14.13 | Jerub | er /16 |
| 07:14.16 | Dagmar | Preachin' to the choir. |
| 07:14.27 | Dagmar | At least they finally did something to sort-of "fix" BM |
| 07:14.28 | Amarande | I can't believe how much better life has been since I went 0/13/58 |
| 07:14.38 | Amarande | Dagmar: have they fixed the imba-ness of wolves yet? |
| 07:14.46 | Dagmar | Other than they're not? |
| 07:14.50 | Amarande | apparently, too many BM hunters are finding that the exotic taming talent is mediocre at best |
| 07:14.56 | Amarande | because they're finding wolves are doing more DPS than the exotics |
| 07:15.02 | Dagmar | Too many hunters have cabbage for brains. |
| 07:15.06 | Amarande | well, it's only a slight difference apparently |
| 07:15.15 | Amarande | but still, when exotic pet doesn't get you a DPS boost, it's kinda meh |
| 07:15.18 | Dagmar | The exotic pets aren't supposed to do the best DPS |
| 07:15.20 | Dagmar | That's not what they're about |
| 07:15.27 | Dagmar | They're about gaining a special technique |
| 07:16.00 | Dagmar | I mean basically all the pets have one ability that's very unique to them, and it has one aditional effect. |
| 07:16.03 | Amarande | Dagmar: and if that technique doesn't increase DPS ... well let's put it this way, hunters are a DPS class, a talent that won't help their DPS, therefore is counterproductive :S |
| 07:16.05 | Dagmar | The exotics have two. |
| 07:16.09 | Amarande | and doesn't SV have better CC than any pet ability, too? |
| 07:16.19 | Dagmar | Where one simply slows, the exotic one slows and does something else |
| 07:16.31 | Dagmar | Amarande: Not that I'm aware of |
| 07:17.31 | Dagmar | non-exotics come out ahead of exotics in DPS because you can basically talent them so that instead of the last two pieces being utility and damage, you take a double-helping of damage |
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| 07:18.11 | Fisker- | Jerub ! |
| 07:18.21 | Fisker- | New build for Google Wave. Looking better. Among other, a 100,000 char word in a wave had floored us :( Pardon the interruption... |
| 07:18.21 | Dagmar | Plus, a transparent cat with glowing blue eyes that commands it's own death star is so pretty' |
| 07:18.22 | Fisker- | !1 |
| 07:18.24 | Fisker- | giev invite |
| 07:18.26 | Fisker- | giiiiiiiiiev |
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| 07:19.15 | Dagmar | Oh. I found a use for Glyph of the Possessed Huntard |
| 07:19.24 | Dagmar | It's not *much* of a use, but it's a use |
| 07:19.25 | Fisker- | kisses Kalroth |
| 07:19.32 | Kalroth | <3 |
| 07:19.54 | Dagmar | It can really freak people out when a pet comes over and starts chewing on them for a _lot_ more than normal |
| 07:20.29 | Dagmar | They just have to not notice the snickering from the bushes. |
| 07:22.52 | Dagmar | I actually fed my wolf a mage a few nights ago. heheh |
| 07:23.02 | Fisker- | <3's Kalroth |
| 07:24.49 | Amarande | Kalroth ... I keep wanting to read that as Kalkoth |
| 07:24.57 | Kalroth | :( |
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| 07:26.29 | Shirik | Kalroth |
| 07:26.35 | Shirik | you have been destroyed by Fisker |
| 07:26.39 | Shirik | you must not take this |
| 07:26.51 | Kalroth | finds his Seppuku sword. |
| 07:27.06 | Shirik | Fisker deserves a http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=1261 |
| 07:27.38 | Fisker- | you deserve a medal Shirik |
| 07:27.42 | Shirik | :D |
| 07:28.13 | Dagmar | Stupid cached negative lookups |
| 07:28.48 | Dagmar | Is that resolving for you? |
| 07:29.22 | Fisker- | your mom is resolving for me |
| 07:29.41 | Shirik | yup |
| 07:30.12 | Dagmar | Comcast started doing maint earlier while I was trying to pull them up |
| 07:30.26 | Dagmar | Freakin' windows is determined to believe they still don't exist. |
| 07:30.51 | Shirik | that's odd |
| 07:30.59 | Shirik | just flush dns |
| 07:31.00 | Shirik | cache |
| 07:31.06 | Dagmar | Too much trouble. |
| 07:31.17 | Dagmar | I'll just tell it to ask squid instead |
| 07:31.31 | Shirik | it takes one line >.> |
| 07:31.38 | Dagmar | I only have to click. |
| 07:31.58 | Dagmar | I flushed the actual nameserver here already |
| 07:32.02 | Dagmar | It resolves wowhead fine |
| 07:32.08 | Dagmar | Squid is on the same box |
| 07:35.22 | smcn | :O :O :O +LOOT_ROLL_ROLLED_DE = "Disenchant Roll - %d for %s by %s"; |
| 07:36.34 | olafski | quite nice |
| 07:36.44 | olafski | but I wonder, will that automatically take precedence over greed? |
| 07:36.57 | olafski | not everyone would like that |
| 07:37.20 | smcn | if i were to make a wild guess i would say it'll only be for BoP's |
| 07:37.34 | smcn | like boe's would be need/greed and bop's would be need/disenchant |
| 07:37.35 | Fisker- | i dislike it |
| 07:37.45 | Fisker- | and like smcn says it's probably just so they can flag it for trading |
| 07:38.33 | smcn | then there's the question of will it even be an option if there's no enchanter in the group |
| 07:38.50 | smcn | and if not, does that mean disenchanting is going to be separate from enchanting? |
| 07:40.08 | smcn | the more i think about it the more questions it's raising so i'll just wait for word from blizz :P |
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| 07:46.14 | Fisker- | goooogle |
| 07:46.17 | Fisker- | waaaaaaave |
| 07:47.54 | Amarande | smcn: you mean, DE being a skill that either everyone learns, or caster classes learn, or something other than enchanters learn? |
| 07:47.57 | Amarande | doubt it. |
| 07:48.09 | Amarande | that would be a disaster. there is a very serious reason why we need levels of enchanting to DE shit as it is :) |
| 07:48.15 | smcn | yeah i deemed it a stupid idea after thinking about it a couple minutes after i said it :P |
| 07:48.22 | smcn | because then what's the point of the d/e button if everyone can d/e |
| 07:48.44 | ZorbaBeta | I personally really want need/greed/disenchant |
| 07:48.48 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure that the levels for DEing was implemented as a limited safeguard against people who hack accounts, drop a prof, get enchanting, DE all the stuff and get the gold |
| 07:49.04 | Amarande | and then *they* go to college off money made from pissing us off. |
| 07:49.19 | smcn | but looking more through the interface diff it looks like all 3 options are going to co-exist |
| 07:49.35 | Amarande | wow, crusader orbs are in free fall |
| 07:49.35 | ZorbaBeta | I think the levels were more a safeguard off people making crazy amounts of money off a lv1 bank alt ;) |
| 07:49.38 | Amarande | they're down to 800g at times here |
| 07:50.01 | Amarande | zorba: that's why I send greens to my priest, who then DEs them and *then* sends the stuff to my lv1 bank alt. :D |
| 07:50.11 | Amarande | say, is there a new orb in 3.3? |
| 07:50.14 | ZorbaBeta | I do the same thing - I use a death knight as a DE mule ;) |
| 07:50.30 | ZorbaBeta | Really Fuckin' Frozen Orbs |
| 07:50.57 | Amarande | Zorba: sadly, after Totally Triumphant t9 gear, I wouldn't put it past them to do something similar to that. :) |
| 07:51.16 | Amarande | Totally Triumphant indeed. |
| 07:51.24 | Shirik | I do, I do |
| 07:51.37 | Amarande | That sounds like they forgot to discuss the name at all, and then had to OMGQUICK come up with something in the last two minutes of their item design meeting. :) |
| 07:51.58 | smcn | i think the placeholder name is something like Icecrown Crafting Thingy |
| 07:52.18 | ZorbaBeta | sigh, I just got a comment complaining that I update the mod too often |
| 07:52.30 | ZorbaBeta | sorry dude, I guess one update per week is too much for you, I'll just let bugs languish next time instead |
| 07:52.33 | Amarande | which mod? |
| 07:52.37 | ZorbaBeta | QH |
| 07:52.42 | ZorbaBeta | the only real mod I run ;) |
| 07:52.46 | Amarande | ah, I use QG, so that's probably why I don't know much about QH :) |
| 07:53.02 | Amarande | I wouldn't notice how often you updated even if I did use QH though probably |
| 07:53.10 | ZorbaBeta | from what I understand they aim at doing different things |
| 07:53.10 | Amarande | since I hardly ever tend to bother to update addons unless something breaks |
| 07:53.32 | olafski | ha, a bot is helping me grind leather :P |
| 07:53.34 | smcn | and who doesn't use an automated updater these days? what is this 2006? :P |
| 07:54.09 | Amarande | smcn, does wowi even have an automatic updater? that's where I get most of mine |
| 07:54.17 | ZorbaBeta | QH tries to tell you where to go and in what order to do things, which nobody else bothers with (admittedly it's kind of a ridiculous thing to try for, but, hey) |
| 07:54.24 | smcn | i'm not sure, i use curse :P |
| 07:54.36 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, Minion |
| 07:54.48 | ZorbaBeta | I don't know if it's officially out of beta yet |
| 07:56.00 | ZorbaBeta | hey shirik do you have any plans to embed Lua in Minion? |
| 07:56.18 | Shirik | It has been discussed |
| 07:56.24 | Shirik | there are other priorities first though |
| 07:56.33 | Shirik | however it should be possible to create a module which acts as an interface to Lua |
| 07:56.44 | Shirik | like a marshalling module, if you will |
| 07:56.44 | ZorbaBeta | for the one big thing I'd want to use Minion for, I'd want to be able to parse lua files and write lua files out easily, and that's best done in Lua |
| 07:57.28 | Arrowmaster | yeah my savedvariable parser that Shirik helped me with is written in Lua |
| 07:58.26 | Arrowmaster | just read the contents of a file into Lua and put it in a string, loadstring it, then change the function env to a blank table before executing the function |
| 07:58.46 | ZorbaBeta | I was going to ask, isn't that just running the file? ;) |
| 07:58.51 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 07:59.06 | Arrowmaster | running the file would put the contents into _G |
| 07:59.42 | Arrowmaster | i put them into a blank table that i can read the contents of and know exactly what was in the file and have nothing extra |
| 08:00.01 | ZorbaBeta | true, but it's *almost* just running the file. |
| 08:00.21 | Arrowmaster | perty much i guess |
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| 08:01.08 | ZorbaBeta | it's not like there's any actual parsing involved :) |
| 08:01.20 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 08:01.55 | Arrowmaster | although actually i do a little hack first to it |
| 08:03.14 | Arrowmaster | local nilproxy = newproxy() |
| 08:03.14 | Arrowmaster | local t = setmetatable({},{ __newindex=function(self, k, v) if v == nil then rawset(self, k, nilproxy) else rawset(self, k, v) end end }) |
| 08:03.17 | Arrowmaster | setfenv(loadstring(io.stdin:read("*a")), t)() |
| 08:04.22 | Arrowmaster | and i can later compare stuff to that userdata object and know what was nil in the savedvar |
| 08:05.48 | NeoTron | so upped ToC25 today. First time ever in ToC for me (yes, I resubbed) |
| 08:06.03 | NeoTron | and first time doing anything at all for months.. fortunately I at least at something resembling specs.. |
| 08:06.34 | smcn | "fortunately I at least at something resembling specs.." huh? |
| 08:06.47 | NeoTron | I wasn't unspecced |
| 08:07.08 | smcn | oh |
| 08:07.09 | NeoTron | like I had logged in and respecced after the last reset which I think happened when the DW changes were made to dks |
| 08:07.18 | NeoTron | now my spec wasn't GOOD but it worked |
| 08:07.51 | NeoTron | had been online for like 5 minutes since about the time when 3.2 came out |
| 08:10.44 | Fisker- | i thought i loved you NeoTron |
| 08:11.42 | NeoTron | lawl? |
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| 08:30.53 | Amarande | I usually make a point to level up into the spec I'll use in instances |
| 08:31.08 | Amarande | unless that spec is so horribly intolerable to solo that I *have* to find a "leveling spec" :) |
| 08:31.17 | Amarande | (*cough* holy priest :P) |
| 08:33.45 | Amarande | oh crap. |
| 08:34.01 | Amarande | I ran across one of those distress beacons in the hinterlands, and now I realize I can't remember which robot chicken escorts I've already done :| |
| 08:34.55 | olafski | ask a GM :) |
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| 08:42.31 | DWSR | Hey all, anyone know if you can get Rawr to use WoWhead profiles? |
| 08:47.30 | Fisker- | why would you do such a thing? |
| 08:47.44 | Shirik | because he is better than you Fisker |
| 08:47.48 | Shirik | and Fisker- |
| 08:47.52 | Shirik | why do we have 2 Fiskers |
| 08:47.57 | Shirik | 1 is more than enough |
| 08:47.58 | DWSR | Just ban them both? |
| 08:48.06 | Fisker- | i have many fiskers |
| 08:48.13 | DWSR | I want to use WoWhead profiles so that I can create custom gear profiles. |
| 08:48.18 | DWSR | Rawr is not as efficient as WoWhead. |
| 08:49.20 | DWSR | Plus, I can have WoWhead have a gear set for my PvP and PvE sets, but the Armory only displays what I logged out in. |
| 08:50.57 | Shirik | Fisker: You have a Fisker-? |
| 08:51.07 | Shirik | Are you your own mother? |
| 08:51.17 | Shirik | kinda like Fry |
| 08:51.26 | Shirik | Fisker J Fry |
| 08:54.10 | Fisker- | hello Shirik |
| 08:55.19 | Shirik | hello Mr. Fry |
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| 08:59.28 | Fisker- | fu Shirik |
| 08:59.28 | Fisker- | giev google wave account |
| 08:59.36 | Shirik | i not has |
| 08:59.38 | Shirik | i has google voice |
| 08:59.43 | Shirik | le fu |
| 09:00.24 | Fisker- | google voice sucks cock |
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| 09:26.16 | Fisker- | i got a squash Shirik |
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| 09:33.03 | Thrae | For anyone thinking of upgrading their desktop -- http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/10/06/nvidia-kills-gtx285-gtx275-gtx260-abandons-mid-and-high-end-market/ |
| 09:34.05 | Fisker- | old |
| 09:35.18 | Fisker- | btw i lol'd |
| 09:35.35 | Fisker- | some shop here sold 4 ASUS Mars cards |
| 09:35.51 | Fisker- | it's almost $2000 |
| 09:39.38 | Fisker- | lol with me |
| 09:39.38 | Fisker- | now |
| 09:40.09 | Bruners | lol |
| 09:40.35 | Fisker- | thanks Bruners |
| 09:40.39 | Fisker- | you're a real pal |
| 09:40.56 | DWSR | lol |
| 09:40.58 | DWSR | @ YOU |
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| 09:47.10 | Fisker- | hey DWSR |
| 09:47.13 | Fisker- | you're going to die |
| 09:47.17 | DWSR | Probably. |
| 09:47.56 | Corrodias2 | i hope nvidia can fix their shit, because otherwise we're left with a single producer and no competition |
| 09:48.06 | DWSR | Corrodias2: Indeed. |
| 09:48.18 | DWSR | ARGH |
| 09:48.22 | DWSR | I WANT MY 186 POINTS ON WAKOOPA |
| 09:48.24 | Corrodias2 | one that has classically had problems with driver development, hopefully something they've addressed. though nvidia's are hardly perfect. |
| 09:48.25 | DWSR | SO I CAN BE AN EXPERT. |
| 09:48.26 | DWSR | RAGE |
| 09:49.31 | Fisker- | lol |
| 09:49.39 | Fisker- | ATi is the one you have to be worried about |
| 09:50.15 | Corrodias2 | why's that? |
| 09:50.23 | foxlit | Someone is enjoying the linux drivers for their video card? |
| 09:50.49 | Corrodias | i don't understand |
| 09:51.15 | DWSR | ATI has horrible support for Linux. |
| 09:51.21 | DWSR | nVidia is *much* better. |
| 09:51.26 | DWSR | And it still sucks. |
| 09:51.29 | Corrodias | yeah... so BOTH companies can't sink. they're each other's only competitors! |
| 09:51.30 | foxlit | Corrodias: I walked in in the middle of that conversation, I probably have even less clue as to what we're talking about :) |
| 09:52.13 | Fisker- | if anything ATi/AMD is the ones running on fumes |
| 09:52.16 | Fisker- | nvidia isn't |
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| 09:52.45 | Corrodias | 2012: end of electronics, forever! |
| 09:53.31 | DWSR | tbh/ |
| 09:53.35 | DWSR | Can't we just merge them? |
| 09:53.41 | DWSR | And call the aVitia? |
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| 09:54.09 | foxlit | DWSR: And then sue them into oblivion for monopolizing the market :) |
| 09:54.17 | DWSR | Exactly. |
| 09:54.28 | DWSR | Everyone wins, except those assholes. |
| 09:54.31 | Corrodias | if the FTC approved the merger, that can't happen |
| 09:55.16 | DWSR | Corrodias: Uhuh...sure. |
| 09:55.18 | DWSR | Whatever you say. |
| 09:55.21 | Corrodias | unless they engage in uncompetetive business practices, which is also kind of impossible since they'd hold all the important intellectual property, so there's nobody to even try to compete |
| 09:55.39 | DWSR | Corrodias: Except for the government would have to regulate the monopoly. |
| 09:55.50 | DWSR | Else shit would get rediculous, like internet prices in Canada. |
| 09:55.55 | DWSR | Or cell phone charges. |
| 10:02.26 | Fisker- | why can't stupid stores l2stock my hdd? |
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| 10:02.47 | DWSR | Because you fail? |
| 10:02.48 | DWSR | A lot? |
| 10:07.37 | foxlit | http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/october/tier10_rogue_hd.jpg |
| 10:07.41 | foxlit | /point Rogues //mock |
| 10:07.46 | DWSR | oh wow. |
| 10:07.53 | DWSR | Bliz apparently hates rogues this xpac. |
| 10:08.59 | Arrowmaster | both ATI and nVidia got caught price fixing the market at the same time a few years ago, they engage in uncompetetive business practices while being separate companies so they would still do it if they merged |
| 10:09.03 | foxlit | One can only hope that the art department has so much free time that they decided to stuff joke models into the PTR patches. |
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| 10:09.49 | Arrowmaster | does intel have a high end gfx chip? or is it just low end? |
| 10:10.03 | Fisker- | my dad's not a phone |
| 10:10.04 | Fisker- | DUH |
| 10:10.13 | foxlit | Intel's making noise. |
| 10:10.24 | Arrowmaster | tazes Fisker- in the ass |
| 10:11.20 | Fisker- | no arrowmaster |
| 10:11.25 | Fisker- | in the BUTTHOLE |
| 10:11.45 | smcn | throws Fisker- ON THE GROUND |
| 10:11.52 | Arrowmaster | shoves a cattle prod up Fisker-'s butthole |
| 10:12.45 | DWSR | DON'T! |
| 10:12.48 | DWSR | HE'S INTO THAT |
| 10:13.42 | DWSR | You can now roll to disenchant an item in an instance. <-- Do you need to have someone who can disenchant in the group with you? |
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| 10:18.59 | Wobin | omg, some things are taken a bit too far =P http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002LAS7DE?ie=UTF8&tag=theawes-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B002LAS7DE |
| 10:19.34 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 10:19.35 | DWSR | Wow. |
| 10:20.41 | DWSR | http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-360-Official-Electro-Harmonix-Overdrive-Pedal/dp/B002EB15WU/ref=pd_bxgy_vg_img_b <- This is worse, however. |
| 10:23.22 | Fisker- | some things aren't taken far enough DWSR |
| 10:23.31 | DWSR | Your mom, for instance. |
| 10:23.37 | DWSR | She's a bukkake whore. |
| 10:26.19 | DWSR | yeah, I said it. |
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| 10:44.54 | Fisker- | takes DWSR on the bed |
| 10:45.26 | DWSR | in your dreams, perhaps. |
| 10:45.29 | tem | this is odd |
| 10:45.34 | Fisker- | no |
| 10:45.35 | tem | I can't get to google |
| 10:45.42 | Fisker- | in my dreams i keep getting killed |
| 10:45.49 | Fisker- | owned tem? |
| 10:46.10 | robotusch | the Woodland Critter dream, eh? |
| 10:46.21 | Fisker- | nahuh |
| 10:46.41 | Fisker- | but i have a lot of dreams where i'm crossing the road, some train tracks, whatever |
| 10:46.50 | robotusch | :| |
| 10:47.00 | robotusch | I see, and how does that make you feel? |
| 10:47.15 | Fisker- | Then suddenly a car, train or whatever appears, and i should be able to cross the road, tracks, etc.but i then move in slowmotion, but the car/train doesn't :() |
| 10:50.27 | DWSR | Fisker: It's an extension of your own inadequacy in the real world. |
| 10:50.43 | Fisker- | ffffffuuuuuuuuuuu- |
| 10:55.06 | robotusch | :D |
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| 10:56.04 | Fisker- | no u robotusch |
| 10:56.08 | robotusch | oh u |
| 10:57.48 | Amarande | yay. less than 70 quests to go till EK loremaster. |
| 10:58.22 | Amarande | (now if I can remember which zones they're in ...) |
| 11:10.38 | Fisker- | i hate you Amarande |
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| 11:25.19 | Ycarene | Can I insert characters into a text box? |
| 11:25.21 | laeg | can anyone tell me why this doesn't work? |
| 11:25.27 | laeg | - /cast [mod:alt][target=focus] Tricks of the Trade; [mod:shit] Feint; Fan of Knives |
| 11:25.46 | Ycarene | Well, there is no 'shit' key that I know of... |
| 11:25.50 | laeg | i want it to cast TOTT if alt is pressed, Feint if shift (it says shift not shit in the macro) |
| 11:25.53 | laeg | :) |
| 11:25.56 | laeg | and FOK otherwise |
| 11:26.23 | foxlit | [target=focus] is independent of whether you're holding shift or not. |
| 11:27.13 | laeg | fox: is there anyway to put TOTT with mod:alt + target=focus at the end? |
| 11:27.55 | laeg | foxlit |
| 11:28.26 | foxlit | Yes, there is a way to do what you want. |
| 11:29.23 | foxlit | You should use a comma :) |
| 11:29.35 | foxlit | [mod:alt,target=focus] |
| 11:30.47 | Ycarene | foxlit is there a way to insert a character into a text box? |
| 11:31.18 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API#EditBox |
| 11:31.29 | foxlit | In particular, http://www.wowwiki.com/API_EditBox_Insert |
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| 11:32.32 | Ycarene | Will that work for the chat box too? |
| 11:33.31 | foxlit | Maybe. Go test it :) |
| 11:34.03 | Ycarene | I've given up trying to figure out a way to intercept keystrokes, and I can understand why that would not be allowed. |
| 11:35.02 | foxlit | Ycarene: what do you actually want to achieve? :) |
| 11:35.07 | Amarande | ahh, shift vs. shit, that reminds me of one night at work |
| 11:35.32 | Amarande | I had like five or ten minutes left on my shift, and they tell me to go upstairs and make a sign for Shift energy drink |
| 11:35.43 | Amarande | now I'm trying to rush, and our corporate network lags like Dalaran |
| 11:35.52 | Amarande | so ... well, it's just a good thing I look before printing :| |
| 11:36.02 | Jerub | I don't understand what's going on here. |
| 11:36.15 | Ycarene | Amarande - Truth in advertising? |
| 11:36.16 | laeg | foxlit: test and works, tyvm :D :D :D |
| 11:36.38 | Jerub | i'm hit capped for feral according to the forums, but i'm doing 25% glancing blows. |
| 11:36.54 | foxlit | glancing blows aren't generally related to hit |
| 11:37.05 | Ycarene | Jerub - there's no stat that affects glancing blows. |
| 11:37.25 | Ycarene | Used to be weapon skill, but they took that out in BC. |
| 11:37.26 | Jerub | oooh, okay. so they'll just happen? |
| 11:37.30 | Jerub | i see. |
| 11:37.35 | Ycarene | Yep |
| 11:37.51 | Amarande | oh lord. RFK. |
| 11:38.12 | foxlit | tbh, they should drop that mechanic the same way they dropped crushing blows. |
| 11:38.33 | Amarande | foxlit: I thought they just made crushing blows only from mobs +4 levels above you, so you never actually see them in raids? |
| 11:38.35 | foxlit | and get rid of partial spell resists on +3 mobs at the same time. |
| 11:38.43 | foxlit | Amarande: precisely. |
| 11:38.58 | Amarande | and it might be a long long time before we ever see CB in a practical sense again |
| 11:38.58 | Ycarene | Crushing blows weren't dropped, they just made it not happen if you were max level (since nothing is over level 83) |
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| 11:39.14 | Amarande | I was going to say guards, but since they're only raising the max level by five this time, guards are going to be 80 I suppose |
| 11:39.36 | Amarande | if they were going up by ten like usual, then yeah, I'd say we'd probably see crushing blows again a fair bit in 4.0 pre-Cata in city raids (since they'd be 85 then) |
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| 11:50.44 | Mikk | em no partial spell resists are still around |
| 11:50.55 | Mikk | but they did move the cap from 99% hit to 100% hit |
| 11:51.29 | foxlit | Mikk: I don't think anyone contradicted that :) |
| 11:51.35 | Mikk | "foxlit: and get rid of partial spell resists on +3 mobs at the same time." |
| 11:51.52 | foxlit | "get", not "got" |
| 11:52.00 | foxlit | and the previous line was "foxlit: tbh, they should drop ..." |
| 11:52.12 | Mikk | aaahhh |
| 11:52.14 | Mikk | rubs eyes |
| 11:52.15 | Mikk | gotcha |
| 11:55.27 | Ycarene | What encoding does WoW use in its text, is it UTF-8? |
| 11:57.40 | Mikk | yes |
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| 12:05.47 | Ycarene | lua print ("\195\184") |
| 12:06.03 | Ycarene | Will hex values work there? |
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| 12:25.10 | MentalPower | >lua print ("\195\184") |
| 12:25.20 | MentalPower | lua> print ("\195\184") |
| 12:25.20 | lua_bot | MentalPower: ø |
| 12:25.22 | MentalPower | Ycarene: ^^^^ |
| 12:25.53 | Ycarene | Ahh, ok, forgot how to do that. |
| 12:27.09 | Ycarene | lua> print ("\0xc3\0xb8") |
| 12:27.10 | lua_bot | Ycarene: |
| 12:27.27 | Ycarene | lua> print ("\0xc3b8") |
| 12:27.27 | lua_bot | Ycarene: |
| 12:28.02 | MentalPower | there is no hex notation in Lua strings |
| 12:28.11 | MentalPower | only decimal |
| 12:28.18 | Ycarene | MentalPower. :( |
| 12:28.38 | Ycarene | It's going to take forever to convert this table to decimal. |
| 12:29.06 | MentalPower | I doubt it very much, what's the table's format? |
| 12:30.25 | Ycarene | It's a list of strings paired with a unicode value in the format of "U0000" |
| 12:31.01 | foxlit | It gets worse. |
| 12:31.11 | foxlit | U0000 is the UTF16 representation. |
| 12:31.20 | MentalPower | so something like {"U1234", "U5678", "U9ABC"}? |
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| 12:32.43 | MentalPower | in that case, foxlit is right, you're screwed... |
| 12:32.59 | MentalPower | :) |
| 12:33.10 | Ycarene | Ugh |
| 12:33.46 | MentalPower | you'll have to extract the code point from the UTF-16 interpretation, and then use the conversion algos to convert that into a UTF-8 interpretation that WoW can use |
| 12:34.46 | MentalPower | for codepoints within the ASCII range its straightforward, for those outside its tricky |
| 12:35.59 | theorbtwo | U0000 isn't utf16, it's a number. utf16 is a way of stuffing that abstract thing into bytes (actually, two ways, utf16le and utf16be). |
| 12:36.10 | MentalPower | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8 |
| 12:37.17 | theorbtwo | foxlit: What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 12:37.34 | foxlit | Me? Nothing at all :) |
| 12:37.38 | Ycarene | I might be able to use a utf-8 version in /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8 |
| 12:38.04 | MentalPower | theorbtwo: you are correct, we were only trying to put across the point that it would require some munging to convert U1234 into a UTF-8 sequence |
| 12:38.19 | MentalPower | theorbtwo: its Ycarene that's asking for assistance :) |
| 12:38.29 | MentalPower | and now, I have to go |
| 12:38.57 | theorbtwo | Whoops. |
| 12:39.11 | theorbtwo | Ycarene: What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 12:39.44 | mikma | poop on |
| 12:43.02 | Ycarene | I'm trying to create a "compose key" addon to standardize and simplify the process of entering special characters. |
| 12:43.55 | foxlit | If they're not on your keyboard, why would you ever want to type them? :) |
| 12:45.00 | theorbtwo | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:45.13 | theorbtwo | ...and the UNNNN is in *hex*, not decimal. |
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| 12:48.13 | Ycarene | foxlit - because there are people do have them on their keyboard and put these characters in their name (and not always in obnoxious ways either) |
| 12:49.08 | foxlit | What I'm hinting at is that it might just be easier to avoid typing their name. |
| 12:50.38 | Ycarene | Well, that's not so easy when one of these people are your guild master. :P |
| 12:51.04 | foxlit | Just call him bob. |
| 12:51.14 | theorbtwo | The 'r' key is a useful thing. |
| 12:51.52 | ZorbaBeta | pfft, r's are wothless. |
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| 12:52.29 | mikma | rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 12:57.08 | Ycarene | Heh, actually, its not really for me, since I have the compose key built into my OS, its for others so people don't have to remember alt codes. |
| 13:00.34 | theorbtwo | Ycarene: You use a mac? |
| 13:00.46 | Fisker | slaps mikma around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:01.59 | mikma | slaps fisker |
| 13:02.49 | Ycarene | ã |
| 13:02.52 | Ycarene | no |
| 13:02.54 | Ycarene | linux |
| 13:04.18 | theorbtwo | Oh, cool. |
| 13:04.27 | theorbtwo | is still impressed by wine, somehow. |
| 13:05.44 | mikma | cairenn: http://media.fukung.net/images/2495/1168702253-1167568069925.jpg |
| 13:05.53 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 13:10.46 | Fisker | slaps Cairenn around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:10.54 | Cairenn | tickles Fisker |
| 13:11.33 | Fisker | cries |
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| 13:16.43 | mikma | http://media.fukung.net/images/13342/buzzkill-dog-get-down-from-there.jpg |
| 13:19.09 | mikma | cairenn: nsfw, http://media.fukung.net/images/5097/wetf_2.gif |
| 13:19.20 | Cairenn | heh |
| 13:20.12 | Cairenn | I've seen the one of the malamute before, and I'm still trying to figure out how the hell that was taken |
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| 13:21.33 | mikma | http://media.fukung.net/images/9482/d6831005fe5c62e67e01682ede7946e9.jpg |
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| 13:27.00 | Kalroth | mikma: i dont get it |
| 13:28.34 | stolenlegacy | Kalroth: i guess you fell for it |
| 13:28.59 | Kalroth | did he Fisker me? |
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| 13:32.57 | olafski | is tekkub here at times? ;) I want to extend one of his addons, was wondering if he has a problem with that |
| 13:33.20 | Lopeppeppy | ~seen tekkub |
| 13:33.22 | purl | tekkub <n=tekkub@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/GitHub/Tekkub> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 16h 7m 24s ago, saying: 'Mikk the Fisted'. |
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| 13:33.42 | Lopeppeppy | Drop him a PM on the addon site in question, or lurk around, he'll show up again eventually |
| 13:33.54 | olafski | alright |
| 13:33.55 | olafski | cheers |
| 13:34.29 | olafski | bleh have to sign up on the site then.. fine :P |
| 13:36.20 | Lopeppeppy | Or lurk for him in here or #wowace until he shows up. Your choice. :) |
| 13:36.42 | mikma | kalroth: look to the topright (maybe) |
| 13:36.45 | olafski | mm I'll message and start coding |
| 13:36.50 | olafski | if he doesn't agree I'll just not release it |
| 13:38.43 | Kalroth | mikma: yes, it's a happy fat kid, why is that a mind fuck?! |
| 13:40.21 | Wobin | http://wondermark.com/554/ |
| 13:40.48 | mikma | kalroth: you'll laugh bricks |
| 13:45.40 | Wobin | In an anachronistic Aztec Empire, a young schlub with OCD sumbles across an encrypted data feed which spurs him into conflict with a government conspiracy with the the help of a female who inexplicably becomes attracted to the damaged protagonist for unstated reasons, and her discomfort in formal wear, culminating in authorial preaching through the mouths of the characters! Your title is: "The Revephage" |
| 13:45.54 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:45.56 | Wobin | It'll be a best seller! |
| 13:46.26 | Fisker | in b4 your mom is a best seller |
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| 13:49.00 | Wobin | http://www.smh.com.au/technology/security/hotmail-hacks-easy-as-123456-20091008-go3f.html |
| 13:49.20 | Wobin | wait wait, 82 out of 10,000 is "the most common"? |
| 13:49.36 | olafski | grmbl I must be blind.. is there a way to get the item id from an item link or by supplying a bag slot? I can only find methods to get iteminfo and itemlinks :< |
| 13:49.58 | Wobin | "The longest password was 30 characters - lafaroleratropezoooooooooooooo - but this still evidently did not prevent the user's account from being hacked." |
| 13:49.58 | Wobin | wtf of course it didn't |
| 13:50.12 | Wobin | because the passwords were released plaintext |
| 13:50.13 | Wobin | >< |
| 13:50.37 | Mikk | olafski: tonumber(strmatch(link, "item:(%d+)")) |
| 13:51.10 | Wobin | argh |
| 13:51.14 | Wobin | stupid journalism is stupid |
| 13:51.32 | olafski | that's the only way? I would think getting an item id from a bagslot would be something you'd want to do without parsing it :< |
| 13:52.21 | Fisker | you sure Wobin ? |
| 13:53.27 | Mikk | olafski: item ids aren't really used by blizzard since they're not unique enough |
| 13:53.29 | Wobin | Fisker, the suspicion is that the accounts were all phished |
| 13:53.42 | Mikk | or specific enough |
| 13:53.42 | olafski | hmm. |
| 13:53.58 | olafski | can I find out more about that somewhere? I was going to autovendor all items based on certain item IDs |
| 13:54.02 | olafski | don't want to autovendor bad stuff :P |
| 13:54.02 | Wobin | Fisker, So it didn't -matter- how complex the password was, if you enter it into a phishing scam, it's not using the password as any level of security |
| 13:54.22 | Mikk | olafski: itemids are certainly safe to use there |
| 13:54.28 | olafski | alright thanks ^^ |
| 13:54.30 | Mikk | and no you cannot get it any other way |
| 13:54.33 | Mikk | you need to parse the link |
| 13:54.44 | olafski | okay, well doesn't matter that much |
| 13:55.33 | Fisker | oh |
| 13:55.41 | olafski | I did get a script error though so guess I did something wrong :P |
| 13:55.41 | Fisker | atleast it's not as stupid as ours Wobin |
| 13:55.48 | Fisker | So there i was reading teh news |
| 13:55.55 | Fisker | and i saw this article |
| 13:56.00 | Fisker | "Google hacked" |
| 13:56.04 | Fisker | *clicks* |
| 13:56.14 | Wobin | zomg! |
| 13:56.22 | Fisker | "Google hacked" = "Retards clicked phishing links and willingly gave away their info" apparently |
| 13:58.27 | Wobin | If, as the claims are true, it's all from phished accounts, there's no 'security breach' at all |
| 13:58.52 | theorbtwo | Even better, google hacked is often people searching google for things that shouldn't be on the internet. |
| 13:59.06 | Lopeppeppy | But it MUST be Google's fault! After all,it's Blizzard's fault when an account is compromised, right? |
| 13:59.31 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy, ahaha, can you see it? GOOGLE AUTHENTICATOR |
| 14:02.33 | Lopeppeppy | It would be sooooooo cute. |
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| 14:22.53 | Shirik | google hacked |
| 14:22.57 | Shirik | sounds like a project google would make |
| 14:23.19 | Shirik | google version of nmap? |
| 14:23.22 | Shirik | omg |
| 14:23.28 | Shirik | it searches the web for all known vulnerabilities |
| 14:23.33 | Shirik | and then tests each one on your computer |
| 14:23.51 | Shirik | they can do the search very quickly because they have it locally |
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| 14:25.36 | Wobin | Shirik, They already have all your root passwords anyway =P |
| 14:25.43 | Wobin | why would they need to search for anything? =) |
| 14:26.39 | Fisker | bah Wobin |
| 14:26.49 | Fisker | i wanted to own Shirik before i disconnected him |
| 14:27.01 | Wobin | quick off the trigger, eh? |
| 14:27.12 | Wobin | There are nasal delivery systems that can help |
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| 14:54.11 | olafski | table.insert(JunkList, 123, "Mote of Water") works, but table.remove(JunkList, 123) doesn't remove that item.. what am I doing wrong? :< |
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| 15:00.04 | olafski | hrm nevermind I guess :P |
| 15:03.24 | Cide | lua> tbl = { 1, 2, 3 }; table.insert(tbl, 5, 5); pp(tbl); table.remove(tbl, 5); pp(tbl) |
| 15:03.24 | lua_bot | Cide: { 1, 2, 3, [5] = 5 } (#1), <table: #1> |
| 15:03.40 | Cide | fail luabot |
| 15:03.48 | Cide | lua> tbl = { 1, 2, 3 }; table.insert(tbl, 5, 5); pp(tbl); table.remove(tbl, 5); pp(tbl[5]) |
| 15:03.49 | lua_bot | Cide: { 1, 2, 3, [5] = 5 } (#1), 5 |
| 15:04.01 | Cide | lua> tbl = { 1, 2, 3 }; table.insert(tbl, 5, 5); pp(tbl); table.remove(tbl, 3); pp(tbl[3]) |
| 15:04.01 | lua_bot | Cide: { 1, 2, 3, [5] = 5 } (#1), nil |
| 15:04.13 | Cide | olafski: as can be seen above, you can only use it for integer indices |
| 15:04.17 | Cide | err |
| 15:04.19 | Cide | array indices |
| 15:04.41 | Cide | if you insert 123 in the middle of nowhere it's not in the array part |
| 15:04.54 | olafski | yeah, I made a function to find it now |
| 15:05.13 | Arrowmaster | you dont need to 'find' it |
| 15:05.16 | Cide | only use table.remove (and ideally insert) for arrays, i.e. tables with more or less no holes from 1 to n |
| 15:05.22 | Arrowmaster | tbl[123] = nil |
| 15:06.21 | olafski | doh :( thanks arrowmaster :) |
| 15:07.11 | Cide | screw you |
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| 15:07.47 | olafski | what :( |
| 15:08.09 | olafski | I'm used to that creating an "empty" spot, rather than removing it (in other languages) |
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| 15:14.56 | Shirik | lol |
| 15:15.00 | Shirik | my topic is still there |
| 15:15.41 | Lopeppeppy | Harumph. |
| 15:18.14 | Fisker | Shirik ! |
| 15:18.20 | Fisker | i just wanted to tell you |
| 15:18.24 | Fisker | Someone already did that |
| 15:18.25 | Fisker | pwnt n00b |
| 15:18.36 | Shirik | ... |
| 15:18.42 | Shirik | BIOS reports: |
| 15:18.43 | Fisker | !!! |
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| 15:20.03 | Shirik | Keyboard Error: Keyboard not found |
| 15:20.06 | Shirik | Press <F4> to continue... |
| 15:20.57 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 15:21.00 | olafski | what's wrong with that :P |
| 15:21.01 | Fisker | did ya hear me? |
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| 15:22.51 | Shirik | the lack of an f4 button is quite problematic |
| 15:23.01 | Cide | I never got why that was funny |
| 15:23.04 | Cide | it makes total sense |
| 15:23.09 | Cide | you need a keyboard to continue! |
| 15:23.29 | Tepel | "Press any key to continue" ... "Where's the any key?" |
| 15:23.36 | Shirik | why should I need a keyboard |
| 15:23.38 | Shirik | just let me go |
| 15:23.45 | Shirik | it's for a device which doesn't have a keyboard |
| 15:24.00 | Cide | clearly your bios doesn't support that |
| 15:24.27 | Tepel | The question that remains is, whether or not the keyboard will ever dissapear as an input device! |
| 15:24.40 | Tepel | Since touchscreen can only do so much |
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| 15:25.22 | Cide | definitely will |
| 15:25.26 | Tepel | Next level of interfacing is vision |
| 15:25.31 | Tepel | Then brainwaves |
| 15:25.35 | Cide | then skynet |
| 15:25.56 | Tepel | When skynet is a reality I have more important things to worry about then interfacing with my computer |
| 15:26.30 | Fisker | lol |
| 15:26.37 | Fisker | Someone said Blizzard got hacked because his gm got hacked |
| 15:26.39 | Fisker | durr |
| 15:26.40 | Fisker | hurr |
| 15:26.41 | Fisker | derp |
| 15:26.41 | Fisker | derp |
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| 15:27.00 | TopTop18 | Eey! |
| 15:27.06 | Zyn | hack the hack got hacked in the hacked hack |
| 15:27.11 | Lopeppeppy | Told you, it's never the fault of the individual, it's always the COMPANY to blame. |
| 15:27.30 | Fisker | I still think it's funny linking them to the wikipedia article of SRP |
| 15:27.36 | mikma | scytheblade1: are you "Dark Light" in steam? xD |
| 15:27.42 | Fisker | so they can understand exactly why hacking Blizzard's database would be useless |
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| 15:28.34 | TopTop18 | Anyone has an idea of when GetNumGuildMembers(true) will return a valid result? As I always seem to get 0 when I call it at startup, and can't think of an later event then CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_NOTICE or GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE |
| 15:29.40 | zenzelezz | when is "startup", just as soon as your .lua loads? Or after PLAYER_LOGIN or P_E_W or some such? |
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| 15:32.09 | Cide | guild_roster_event is what you're looking for |
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| 15:44.51 | TopTop18 | After guild roster event it still returns 0 |
| 15:44.58 | TopTop18 | Oh event |
| 15:45.10 | TopTop18 | sec checking, thanks Cide! |
| 15:48.10 | Cide | I don't know if it's correct |
| 15:48.27 | Cide | but the guild roster event whatever it's called should be it |
| 15:49.24 | kdtresh | i'd check fubar_guildfu and guildorg, they both update on logon, without any action on the player's part |
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| 16:02.16 | Lopeppeppy | morning, lunessa-dear |
| 16:02.30 | Lunessa | Mornig |
| 16:02.39 | Lunessa | I have my grump on. |
| 16:02.59 | Lopeppeppy | Oh oh. Those are often tight and restrictive and uncomfortable. |
| 16:03.04 | nicoli_s | i feel ya there, got a 6-7 jour drive ahead of me today :( |
| 16:03.09 | nicoli_s | hour* |
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| 16:04.25 | alestane | I'm sorry, it's rather hard to take the previewed T10 Warrior set seriously. |
| 16:04.53 | Bruners | where do you see that? |
| 16:05.07 | nevcairiel | i like it in red |
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| 16:05.22 | nevcairiel | the druid set is far worse |
| 16:05.34 | alestane | Does it have pigs on the shoulders? |
| 16:05.48 | nevcairiel | no, but thorn bushes for ears |
| 16:05.54 | alestane | I'll admit that it's not clear how you see out of the druid helmet. |
| 16:06.31 | nevcairiel | the rogue one looks like a cheap remake of warlock t7, at least the shoulders =P |
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| 16:07.14 | Cide | the druid one looks great |
| 16:08.23 | Cide | they all look pretty good |
| 16:08.30 | Cide | there's no warlock aq40 anyway |
| 16:08.31 | zenzelezz | I like the warrior set |
| 16:09.48 | alestane | I don't exactly dislike it, but it doesn't look heroic to me. Although I think that's partly the dwarf's expression under the helm. |
| 16:10.12 | zenzelezz | I could agree about the heroic part; but I think it looks warrior...y |
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| 16:15.05 | Lunessa | Old news, but ... "Default Equipment: Starting weapons are now more uniform. Rogues now start with a pair of daggers equipped. All other classes except shamans start with a 2-handed weapon equipped and the required skill already known. Shamans start with a 1-handed weapon and a shield, as they benefit more from the shield than they would from a 2-handed weapon." |
| 16:15.52 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: they finally figured out that most warriors don't intend to start out in Protection |
| 16:16.22 | Lunessa | Yeah, and that having to travel to a city to learn a decent weapon skill at level 1 is a stupid thing |
| 16:16.53 | Kraps | let me introduce: streetwalker jaina http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/october/jaina.jpg |
| 16:17.14 | Lunessa | Hey sailor, want a date? |
| 16:17.23 | alestane | Isn't that the outfit she's always worn? |
| 16:17.26 | nevcairiel | hm the face changed |
| 16:17.35 | zenzelezz | hey, that breastplate looks... plate |
| 16:17.36 | Kraps | now with a drugged up look and heave makeup |
| 16:17.42 | Lunessa | Petty much. But the face is different. |
| 16:18.03 | zenzelezz | well, she should be five years older or so |
| 16:18.16 | Lunessa | You guys know how different the world of Azeroth would be if Jaina and just taken Arthas somewhere and knocked boots? |
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| 16:18.37 | alestane | ..."knocked boots"..? |
| 16:18.46 | kdtresh | i imagine you can find a video of that somewhere |
| 16:18.48 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously. *laugh* |
| 16:19.43 | alestane | I'm sorry, I just don't see how that expression means what I think you mean by it. |
| 16:20.23 | kdtresh | knocking boots is old school :P |
| 16:20.44 | alestane | Along the lines a knee-trembler? |
| 16:20.47 | alestane | of* a |
| 16:20.59 | Lopeppeppy | beast with two backs. |
| 16:21.02 | Kraps | Call Stabled Pet: Cooldown reduced from 30 minutes to 5 minutes. |
| 16:21.04 | Kraps | lal |
| 16:21.17 | alestane | That one, at least, I've seen before. |
| 16:21.46 | Lunessa | alestane: It means "have sex" It's from the 70s. I'm old. |
| 16:21.58 | alestane | I grasp what it means. I djust don't see how. |
| 16:22.37 | zenzelezz | alestane: maybe it was a mating ritual in the 70s |
| 16:22.37 | Kraps | you guys heard the expression "she likes to park"? |
| 16:22.58 | Lunessa | Kraps: I've heard almost everything. But yeah |
| 16:23.51 | Lopeppeppy | Teens these days are more likely to rent a hotel room than go parking. |
| 16:24.18 | Kraps | a mother used it to describe her daughter on an old dating show. i'm pretty sure a serial killer was born that day |
| 16:24.40 | alestane | Holdover from when the back of a car was one of the easiest clandestine spots to find? |
| 16:25.11 | zenzelezz | teens these days don't do it in hotel rooms, they do it on the Internet |
| 16:25.22 | Kraps | alestane: yeah |
| 16:25.27 | Aqua | teens these days do it wherever they can find a place to get it in |
| 16:26.40 | Lunessa | Teens always did that. |
| 16:27.03 | Aqua | so no different from normal basically |
| 16:27.17 | alestane | It's just a question of how nervous they are about it and how much brou-haha there is when they get caught. |
| 16:28.02 | zenzelezz | the next generation mobile phones will come complete with a "Share on Redtube" feature |
| 16:28.06 | Lopeppeppy | They have their own credit cards that parents pay without looking. |
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| 16:28.34 | alestane | Some of them, maybe. |
| 16:28.38 | zenzelezz | wait, what? Americans are that careless? |
| 16:28.58 | Aqua | F**K anything that walks around here |
| 16:29.15 | nevcairiel | maybe we should move to america, zenzelezz |
| 16:29.21 | zenzelezz | no |
| 16:29.25 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 16:29.29 | Lopeppeppy | *sniff* |
| 16:29.45 | zenzelezz | teens are bad enough around here, I don't want to go somewhere where parents give them credit cards before they can legally drink |
| 16:29.52 | alestane | ...now you've done it... |
| 16:30.11 | nevcairiel | thats only because the legal drinking age is so high over there :p |
| 16:30.30 | Fisker | you guys have drinking ages? |
| 16:30.46 | zenzelezz | it's simple... no-one who don't have a steady income of some sort should be allowed to have a credit card |
| 16:31.12 | foxlit | Would a debit card make you feel any better? |
| 16:31.15 | alestane | I'm still perplexed by the standard whereby you go from being completely prohibited from alcohol under any circumstances to being allowed to drink unsupervised. |
| 16:31.17 | Audible | Fisker : is animal sex still allowed in denmark ? |
| 16:31.26 | Lopeppeppy | new laws have been passed to say just that, zenzelezz. |
| 16:31.40 | nevcairiel | foxlit: at least debit cards don't allow you to go into a negative ballance, at least here. |
| 16:31.41 | Fisker | i'd guess Audible |
| 16:31.45 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: good, that restores some of my faith in your countrymen |
| 16:31.50 | Fisker | atleast i didn't get put in jail for banging your mom |
| 16:32.27 | Audible | Fisker : that was cruel, my mom just died of aids |
| 16:32.46 | Fisker | yeah where did you think she got it? |
| 16:32.53 | foxlit | nevcairiel: It's just that when people say "credit card" they not necessarily mean that you can have actual credit :) |
| 16:33.16 | nevcairiel | foxlit: well the whole idea of credit cards is that you pay now, and get charged later |
| 16:33.22 | nevcairiel | at least thats how they work here |
| 16:33.30 | nevcairiel | i buy now, pay next month |
| 16:33.35 | foxlit | I thought the whole idea of credit cards was that they weren't cash. |
| 16:34.02 | nevcairiel | debit cards on the other hand directly contact your bank, and immediately charge your account |
| 16:34.05 | nevcairiel | and only if there is enough on |
| 16:34.11 | Aqua | credit cards are the same as cash imo |
| 16:34.19 | Aqua | you put it on there you better have the cash to pay it off |
| 16:34.33 | kdtresh | but by using a credit card, you don't have to carry a lot of cash |
| 16:34.37 | kdtresh | or a checkbook |
| 16:34.44 | nevcairiel | checks are so outdated |
| 16:34.57 | nevcairiel | i doubt i could even get them from my bank |
| 16:35.00 | kdtresh | and yet i always seem to get stuck behind someone writing a check for groceries |
| 16:35.01 | durcyn | Aqua: but it's so much more fun to borrow money at usurous rates |
| 16:35.28 | foxlit | nevcairiel: same hardware, though? :) |
| 16:36.38 | Aqua | see, idk if this how i was taught but basically, if i can't pay for it, i dont' buy it |
| 16:36.48 | Aqua | it sucks but i'm not in debt from useless spending |
| 16:37.17 | foxlit | Aqua: how do you feel about never being able to buy real estate? :) |
| 16:38.10 | nevcairiel | i suppose you could save the same time it would take you to pay back the credit |
| 16:38.22 | nevcairiel | just that you get your house when you're way old then :P |
| 16:38.39 | durcyn | mortgages are one thing, but carrying a balance on a credit card is usually stupid |
| 16:38.54 | durcyn | 37% interest? yes please. |
| 16:39.00 | durcyn | i'd love to be a credit card company right now |
| 16:39.49 | Lopeppeppy | No, they're getting smacked by federal regulations too, interest rates are going to change. |
| 16:40.15 | foxlit | 8.50% around here. |
| 16:40.32 | nevcairiel | isnt that just a fallback interest when you can't pay your credit card bill? |
| 16:40.57 | durcyn | 'going to change' means nothing, not when lobbying can affect the outcome |
| 16:41.39 | durcyn | then you have skeevy bastards like Capital One that send $500-limit cards to people already in debt, then when it's maxed out, they send them -another- $500 card, all with double digit interest rates |
| 16:42.29 | foxlit | nevcairiel: I don't think that's it -- looks more like the cumulative interest percentage, but I can't seem to find the period. |
| 16:42.52 | nevcairiel | I don't pay any interest on my credit card as long as i manage to pay the monthly bills |
| 16:43.03 | nevcairiel | if i don't -- its high :P |
| 16:43.49 | Lopeppeppy | I don't have a credit card, end of story. |
| 16:43.58 | Lunessa | In 2003 I had a credit card company cancel my cards. Because all I ever did was pay the bill in full every month. After 5 years they hadn't made any money so they declined to renew my account. |
| 16:44.09 | zenzelezz | I'm amazed the US still uses checkbooks |
| 16:44.18 | zenzelezz | don't think those have been seen since the 90s here |
| 16:44.20 | nevcairiel | Yeah, i doubt they even accept them here anymore |
| 16:44.25 | foxlit | The concept of a "credit card company" seems foreign. |
| 16:44.38 | foxlit | You just have a bank account, which might have one or more cards attached to it. |
| 16:44.42 | nevcairiel | Around here you just get your credit card directly from the bank you're with anymore |
| 16:44.53 | nevcairiel | s/anymore/anyway/ |
| 16:44.57 | zenzelezz | yup |
| 16:46.13 | durcyn | do they do their own clearing though, nev, or is it just reselling visa etc? |
| 16:46.25 | nevcairiel | they resell visa or mastercard usually |
| 16:46.26 | Lunessa | foxlit: That happens here too, but Visa and MasterCard /are/ separate entities to which most banks pay a fee to use their logo. |
| 16:47.14 | foxlit | Lunessa: mhm. Can you get a card from Visa directly, though? |
| 16:47.24 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. |
| 16:47.27 | Lopeppeppy | You can have both. |
| 16:47.33 | Lunessa | foxlit: Yes. But not /me/. |
| 16:47.46 | foxlit | Consider it s/you/one/'d :) |
| 16:47.55 | nevcairiel | But you don't really *need* a credit card, nearly all stores accept debit cards, and some even don't accept credit cards |
| 16:48.02 | nevcairiel | i only got it for internet shopping |
| 16:48.51 | Lunessa | I find my life more convenient with a debit card. Internet bill-pay and all that. |
| 16:48.52 | Lopeppeppy | my debit card works as a credit card for those purposes, all praise to the banks buying use of the Visa/MC program. |
| 16:48.56 | foxlit | I think you might actually be able to win some minute amount by using the bill-at-end-of-month card -- though that's probably offset by its cost. |
| 16:50.30 | nevcairiel | i pay 10⬠a year for my credit card |
| 16:50.38 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: no |
| 16:50.46 | nevcairiel | and sometiems its just convenience, if like i just don't have the money right now :P |
| 16:50.56 | nevcairiel | but next month i do |
| 16:51.01 | Lunessa | Silly common currency. |
| 16:51.05 | mikma | scytheblade1: lal. i got a invite for "Pro Left 4 Dead 2" group, decline ^^ |
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| 16:52.08 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 16:52.19 | nevcairiel | on another note, anyone still got HoN invites? |
| 16:52.29 | nevcairiel | a friend of mine wants to try it |
| 16:52.34 | zenzelezz | Hot or Not? |
| 16:52.46 | nevcairiel | Heroes of Newerth or something :P |
| 16:53.47 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: bug jnwhiteh, he may |
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| 17:00.59 | nicoli_s | i think ive used all of mine |
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| 17:03.04 | Fisker | slaps nicoli_s around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:04.41 | Shirik | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large Fisker |
| 17:08.12 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:08.19 | Fisker | i threw you on the ground |
| 17:11.54 | ArrowmasterClass | nicoli_s: hey is everybody effected by that $600 limit on point redemption before needing to report it to the IRS or is that just for people in the US? |
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| 17:12.30 | TopTop18 | Cide, GUILD_ROSTER_EVENT doesn;t exist, I tried GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE and PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE, but after those it still returned 0 |
| 17:12.32 | sioraio0 | jnwhite |
| 17:12.37 | TopTop18 | Anyone else has ideas? |
| 17:13.19 | sioraio0 | batrick |
| 17:14.27 | sioraio0 | anyone swen jnwhiteh today |
| 17:16.38 | Lopeppeppy | I believe he's traveling today. He's been at a conference, sioraio0 |
| 17:17.46 | Bruners | Fisker: stop lagging my server! |
| 17:19.41 | Fisker | stop ordering a thousand liters of milk |
| 17:20.13 | Lopeppeppy | But milk, it does a body good! |
| 17:20.48 | TopTop18 | Is there somekind of addon that logs events from start? |
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| 17:21.59 | Lunessa | TopTop18: You don't get guild data for many many seconds after PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD. |
| 17:22.08 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: IANAL, but I would expect that international income can be considered an export, actually. Interesting topic, though. |
| 17:22.27 | TopTop18 | Lunessa, Is there an evnt when it;s available? |
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| 17:22.33 | Lunessa | No. |
| 17:22.52 | Lunessa | Usually you just wait for a while after PEW |
| 17:23.01 | Lunessa | Set yourself a timer or something |
| 17:23.09 | TopTop18 | The latest event I tried was CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_NOTICE, when joining numbered chat, but even that wasn;t late enough to make it return something else then 0 |
| 17:23.38 | TopTop18 | Hmm no idea how to make a timer :S |
| 17:23.39 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:23.49 | TopTop18 | Hmm maybe I do, sec looking it up |
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| 17:25.05 | TopTop18 | Goping to use GETTIME() to make a timer |
| 17:33.01 | Kaso | TopTop18, you have to use OnUpdates to do timing like that, but its hard to do well, you might want to look at one of the many pre-written timing packages there is for wow |
| 17:33.28 | Kaso | (Ace has one, Chronos is another) |
| 17:35.13 | TopTop18 | I prefer not to use much libraries |
| 17:35.25 | TopTop18 | And as I make this to learn coding it might be usefull to try and make myself :D |
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| 17:40.49 | Lunessa | I just took a call where the user wanted music to auto-play from an e-mail. /shudder/ |
| 17:41.27 | Shirik | o.O |
| 17:42.44 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:42.53 | Lunessa | Shirik: I told her, "Music will not auto-play from an e-mail, and we will never make it happen." |
| 17:43.27 | Lunessa | She's the kid of person who would use a Flash ad with music and animation as a status message. |
| 17:43.28 | Lopeppeppy | ... eeeew |
| 17:44.03 | Lopeppeppy | We have two sites at the college who have autoplay music, and the sheer number of complaints we get about it is astounding. Autoplay and animated gifs are so... 90s. |
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| 17:48.58 | TopTop18 | Okay GetTime is a bad idea |
| 17:49.39 | TopTop18 | Or there must be someway of pausing between it checking time, else game freezes till ti's finished xD |
| 17:50.01 | NeoTron | you didn't just loop did you? |
| 17:50.13 | TopTop18 | Lol yes I did |
| 17:50.20 | TopTop18 | And it;s a bad idea I can tell |
| 17:50.29 | NeoTron | sleep() in a single threaded program |
| 17:53.44 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.15 | Dagmar | Naver use spinlocks of any kind |
| 17:56.07 | TopTop18 | Hmm can;t find sleep() at wowprogramming :S |
| 17:56.14 | KarlKFI|work | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4328-Chronos.html |
| 17:56.16 | TopTop18 | How's it used? |
| 17:56.33 | KarlKFI|work | save yourself some headaches and use a lib. |
| 17:56.43 | nevcairiel | coroutines! |
| 17:56.49 | nevcairiel | but thats probably too much for you :p |
| 17:56.50 | zenzelezz | TopTop18: they didn't say you should use sleep(), they were using it as an analogy (I believe) |
| 17:57.17 | TopTop18 | Nevcairiel, explain :D |
| 17:57.32 | TopTop18 | About the libraries will look at the code, but won;t use it! |
| 17:57.35 | nevcairiel | nah, i'm not in my nice-person-mood today |
| 17:57.43 | TopTop18 | Oh lol |
| 17:57.49 | TopTop18 | Pleas epoke me when you're :D |
| 17:58.21 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:59.26 | TopTop18 | spinlocks=bad loops? |
| 17:59.43 | TopTop18 | agree on that one xD Foudn out it's bad |
| 17:59.53 | zenzelezz | do as KarlKFI|work said |
| 18:00.03 | nevcairiel | busy waiting is bad, hmkay |
| 18:00.30 | Dagmar | spinlocks are bits of code that spin until an event happens. |
| 18:00.56 | Dagmar | Think of it like a small child running 10 ASK 'IS SOUP YET'; 20 IF FALSE GOTO 10 |
| 18:01.10 | nevcairiel | is it any better if it sleeps 10 minutes between asking? :P |
| 18:01.12 | Dagmar | They just burn CPU cycles until the event happens |
| 18:01.36 | TopTop18 | Ye |
| 18:01.43 | Dagmar | sleep() calls typically do NOT continuously check the clock, they set an alarm handler and tell the CPU "TELL ME WHEN IT'S SOUP" |
| 18:01.49 | nevcairiel | funny thing for single-threaded environments .. the event never gets a chance to happen if you block it =p |
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| 18:02.18 | nevcairiel | busy waiting is just bad in any situations |
| 18:02.24 | nevcairiel | if you can, wait on a object |
| 18:02.30 | nevcairiel | if you can't, at least sleep() |
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| 18:03.53 | zenzelezz | WaitForSingleObjectEx() ;-o |
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| 18:04.07 | nevcairiel | ew a MS API |
| 18:04.23 | nevcairiel | in a few years its WaitForSingleObjectExExEx() |
| 18:06.20 | zenzelezz | I have to admit, Kaelten or whoever it was was right that the Cocoa frameworks/Objective-C is actually pretty decent, even if I still prefer certain other languages |
| 18:06.34 | nevcairiel | i can't stand the silly Obj-C syntax |
| 18:06.44 | Lunessa | is about to make the plunge and get Windows 7 for his home computer. |
| 18:06.45 | zenzelezz | that's one thing I don't like either |
| 18:07.03 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: RC? Or do they release it now over there? |
| 18:07.04 | nevcairiel | silly smalltalk message sending syntax |
| 18:07.06 | cbreak | Obj-C rocks! |
| 18:07.13 | zenzelezz | Win7 release date here is the 22nd |
| 18:07.20 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: I can get the release version early. |
| 18:07.23 | kdtresh | still sees no reason to leave xp yet |
| 18:07.27 | Lunessa | Not an RC. |
| 18:08.14 | Kaso | TopTop18, you might struggle trying to backwards engineer chronos back to code you can implement yourself. I agree with KarlKFI that you should prob just use a lib, but if you want the core concept what you need to do is set an OnUpdate function, this function is then called every frame when the game updates (so like 20-60 times a second) with an argument that is the time since the last time I was called. You basically need |
| 18:08.15 | Kaso | to make some sort of "job queue" that you add you timer tasks to, and then every so often (NOT every onupdate) check the queue and do any tasks waiting to be done. |
| 18:08.33 | Kaso | But i'll say again, anything you come up with will be significantly less efficient than a lib |
| 18:09.07 | zenzelezz | no wai, I CAN implement a superior strlen! |
| 18:09.46 | nevcairiel | Kaso: why would a very specific piece of code be less efficient? o.O |
| 18:10.16 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: I pretty much dislike the Objective-C syntax, but all the frameworks are nice to work with (mostly); at least what I've touched for the iPhone |
| 18:10.28 | Kaso | well not necessarily, but someone who doesn't know that using a spin lock is a bad idea is prob going to come up with less efficient code than seasoned developers |
| 18:10.46 | nevcairiel | thats another point :P |
| 18:11.13 | Kaso | basically im trying to say "please use a lib!" :) |
| 18:11.40 | Dagmar | It's way easier to use someone else's _working_ alarm handler |
| 18:12.13 | Dagmar | sphery: Oh is that why we can't find anymore chips like the 4850e? |
| 18:12.16 | Dagmar | wrong chan |
| 18:14.09 | TopTop18 | Kaso, Thanks for explaining! Think i got the concept, no idea how to implemwent it though xD If I can;t find something else I'll use the lib |
| 18:14.17 | TopTop18 | Thanks :D |
| 18:14.28 | zenzelezz | "something else"? |
| 18:14.32 | Shirik | Kaso.... |
| 18:14.38 | Shirik | spin locks are vital for certain applications |
| 18:14.41 | zenzelezz | either you use OnUpdate yourself, or the only option is a lib |
| 18:15.00 | Shirik | don't say that "using a spin lock is a bad idea" |
| 18:15.03 | Kaso | Shirik, im talking about in wow |
| 18:15.05 | Shirik | oh |
| 18:15.08 | Shirik | well that's just plain stupid |
| 18:15.18 | Dagmar | Okay. Every time you use a spinlock, God kills a kitten. |
| 18:15.29 | Lopeppeppy | Think of the kittens, won't you? |
| 18:15.45 | Dagmar | Slowly but surely, spinlocks are destroying the earth. |
| 18:16.11 | Kaso | but yeah, I realise in OS land you often don't want to have the extra overheads of doing context switches and stuff. |
| 18:16.17 | Lopeppeppy | http://xkcd.com/162/ |
| 18:16.54 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:16.58 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 18:19.45 | Fisker | can you assign masterloot through a macro? |
| 18:20.03 | Kaso | you could last time i tried to |
| 18:20.03 | Lopeppeppy | grins at Shirik. |
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| 18:20.18 | Kaso | (which was in 1.1x so maybe not much help) |
| 18:20.51 | Kaso | oh, i mean |
| 18:20.54 | Kaso | you'd have to use lua |
| 18:21.07 | Kaso | but you could right a /run macro to do it |
| 18:21.29 | Shirik | You can certainly |
| 18:21.33 | Shirik | I assign masterloot with an addon |
| 18:21.38 | NeoTron | I assign master loot programatically with MAgicDK |
| 18:21.40 | NeoTron | so yes you can |
| 18:21.49 | Shirik | You shouldn't use MagicDKP |
| 18:21.51 | Kaso | s/right/write/ |
| 18:21.53 | Shirik | My unreleased addon is better |
| 18:22.14 | NeoTron | Shirik: I wrote MagicDKP. I disagree :P |
| 18:22.20 | NeoTron | but I use nothing atm. I don't lead raids. |
| 18:22.23 | Shirik | You can't disagree |
| 18:22.28 | Shirik | you don't know how good mine is |
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| 18:23.02 | NeoTron | I know it's not written to suit my own needs since I didn't write it |
| 18:23.13 | NeoTron | seriously though I have no plans to become a loot or dkp master any time soon |
| 18:23.40 | NeoTron | but MagicDKP + MagicDKP_Client is pretty leet |
| 18:23.49 | NeoTron | if the loot method suits your needs |
| 18:24.47 | TopTop18 | Making DKP manager now oO |
| 18:24.49 | TopTop18 | well trying to |
| 18:24.56 | Shirik | nah |
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| 18:25.00 | Shirik | KRT + KRT |
| 18:25.01 | Shirik | = Win |
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| 18:25.11 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:25.20 | Shirik | All you need is an ssh account :P |
| 18:25.30 | NeoTron | to be honest here, I wrote MagicDKP solely to make MY life better |
| 18:25.34 | Lopeppeppy | or love |
| 18:25.35 | NeoTron | then others appeared to like it |
| 18:25.42 | NeoTron | shit happens |
| 18:25.48 | nevcairiel | i never really got to use it |
| 18:26.21 | nevcairiel | when it was doing what i wanted it to do, i stopped caring about that stuff :P |
| 18:26.31 | NeoTron | heh that's my problem too |
| 18:26.40 | NeoTron | if shit works like I want it, I stop caring about improving it much |
| 18:27.05 | nevcairiel | well i was more like, stopped caring about dkp, and shortly after the game itself =p |
| 18:27.10 | NeoTron | now people are complaining that the export doesn't work quite right (which is true, CTRT export doesn't use the "join/leave" stuff I added for example) |
| 18:27.29 | nevcairiel | CTRT format lacks some shit, anyway |
| 18:27.39 | NeoTron | it's horrible |
| 18:27.58 | NeoTron | and what's really cool is that the format the eqdkp plus thought up is equally retarded |
| 18:28.14 | Lopeppeppy | A set of IM's I sent to a coworker... "Very hallucinating. I've been dragging [Project A] out of Bob, and some [Project B] stuff, haven't a clue which of my astral selves went through the wall and gave Dan the Ghost of Christmas Future freakies about [Project C]." |
| 18:28.21 | Lopeppeppy | hates her job, precious, we hates it! |
| 18:28.26 | NeoTron | my magicdkp export format, which of course nothing can import, is not retarded. it's in fact a good model of the in-memory representation |
| 18:28.42 | cbreak | memory dump ftw! |
| 18:28.53 | NeoTron | I actually have a working schema for it |
| 18:28.59 | NeoTron | which the eqdkpplus people failed to do |
| 18:29.05 | NeoTron | they have a schema but it doesn't work :P |
| 18:29.23 | cbreak | uses /random 100 |
| 18:29.31 | nevcairiel | the eqdkpplus people can't code |
| 18:29.37 | NeoTron | correct |
| 18:29.54 | nevcairiel | i was maintaining a quite large patchset on top of it to keep it working |
| 18:29.56 | NeoTron | I distinctly rmemeber having this discussion with you before, and we came to the same conclusion |
| 18:29.57 | nevcairiel | git rebase ftw :P |
| 18:30.21 | nevcairiel | their main dev plays/played on my realm |
| 18:30.29 | nevcairiel | i never bothered to talk to him, though |
| 18:32.07 | nevcairiel | for a split second i thought about helping them out with the project in general, but then i rememberd it was all full of php fail |
| 18:32.42 | nevcairiel | original eqdkp was bad already, but what they added on top of that <.< |
| 18:33.57 | Cide | eqdkp? |
| 18:34.10 | Cide | the author of eqdkp plays on doomhammer! |
| 18:34.52 | NeoTron | what I don't understand is how you can design a new export format and use everything that's bad with the "standard" format |
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| 18:35.40 | nevcairiel | Cide: nah, of eqdkp-plus |
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| 18:39.04 | Dagmar | NeoTron: You've seriously never used Microsoft Word, have you? |
| 18:40.28 | kd3 | wheoo; nameplate changes |
| 18:40.32 | kd3 | 5 years later |
| 18:43.17 | NeoTron | Dagmar: I've neve used word seriously |
| 18:43.23 | NeoTron | not quite what you said but alas |
| 18:43.25 | Lunessa | kd3: Oh? |
| 18:43.38 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20133933120&sid=1 |
| 18:43.51 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: they'll be affected by LoS, and they'll stack rather than reorganize |
| 18:44.17 | Dagmar | I am definitely downloading the PTR patch now |
| 18:44.27 | Dagmar | That looks like eyeball deliciousness |
| 18:45.04 | Dagmar | I couldn't stand the samn things shifting around so much |
| 18:45.34 | Dagmar | Sure, you could click on them, but their positions also bore very little relation to the mobs they were attached to at that point |
| 18:46.46 | NeoTron | you could in THEORY click on them |
| 18:46.52 | NeoTron | but they moved so much in reality you couldn't |
| 18:47.29 | Lopeppeppy | Is the overlapping going to be a problem? You can't choose which one to target, you just get whichever one is top on YOUR stack. Issue for concentrating DPS? |
| 18:47.45 | zenzelezz | doubt it |
| 18:47.48 | Lunessa | Give a litte - watch the demands for more roll in |
| 18:47.50 | zenzelezz | if you're DPS, you assist |
| 18:47.53 | zenzelezz | if you're tank, you tab |
| 18:48.04 | Dagmar | I'm DPS and I don't tab |
| 18:48.15 | Dagmar | Tabbing sends a monkey off to bring me back new friends. |
| 18:48.16 | zenzelezz | I didn't say you would |
| 18:48.22 | zenzelezz | I said the tank tabs |
| 18:48.34 | NeoTron | I haven't used assists since vanilla wow I think |
| 18:48.41 | Dagmar | I don't assist either. I click on the players target frame if I'm going to do anything |
| 18:48.53 | Dagmar | Too many tanks like to swap around targets to keep more than one in place |
| 18:49.06 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: filename of the last PTR patch? have it handy? |
| 18:49.14 | zenzelezz | no-one in their right mind assists a *tank* |
| 18:49.17 | kd3 | WoW-0.3.0.10522-to-0.3.0.10554-enUS-ptr-patch.exe |
| 18:50.02 | Dagmar | There's a big reason on my 10/25-man setups for PB I have players, MTs, and MT targets, but no player targets |
| 18:50.38 | ScytheBlade1 | hm, weird |
| 18:50.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Time to break out my autoscanner |
| 18:51.29 | ScytheBlade1 | The HTTP side is just 404'ing |
| 18:51.30 | Dagmar | I don't tab as a tank, either. |
| 18:51.36 | Dagmar | Don't have time to keep tabbing until I've got the right one when I can click on their face |
| 18:52.06 | Dagmar | I *try* to tho, since it seems to generally get the closest guy |
| 18:52.11 | zenzelezz | we're talking about nameplates... if clicking the nameplates is trouble then obviously it's already messy |
| 18:52.34 | Dagmar | You couldn't click on nameplates before if you had a lot of critters because of them trying to "organize" themselves. |
| 18:52.42 | Dagmar | They'd keep moving around even after the mobs are sitting still |
| 18:52.46 | zenzelezz | I'm perfectly aware of this |
| 18:52.53 | Dagmar | I'm very glad they're changing this |
| 18:52.57 | zenzelezz | same |
| 18:53.04 | kd3 | as is everyone else who's played wow the last 5 years |
| 18:53.05 | kd3 | ... |
| 18:54.11 | kd3 | http://www.boingboing.net/2009/10/06/the-criticism-that-r.html |
| 18:54.34 | zenzelezz | the criticism that ARRRR! |
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| 19:05.26 | Fisker | seriously Jerub |
| 19:05.29 | Fisker | i want my damn invite :( |
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| 19:12.28 | nicoli_s | to what? |
| 19:15.14 | Fisker | google wave mr. nichdu |
| 19:15.15 | Fisker | nicoli_s |
| 19:23.27 | jaxdahl | kd3, did you email a diff and i missed it? |
| 19:23.34 | Fisker | yes jaxdahl |
| 19:25.48 | jaxdahl | fisker, for 10554? |
| 19:30.22 | Fisker | ye |
| 19:34.11 | Fisker | want it? |
| 19:42.55 | Fisker | then i won't be part of your system jaxdahl |
| 19:43.12 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/twitter.png |
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| 19:45.39 | Thunder_Child | mikma, heh |
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| 21:28.24 | NightHawkTheSane | must.. not.. murder coworker and fix his idiocy... |
| 21:30.29 | cogwheel | http://cheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=5421557 |
| 21:31.26 | NightHawkTheSane | conspiracy! |
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| 21:45.03 | foxlit | cogwheel: Lacking :( |
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| 21:55.34 | Lunessa | cogwheel: ZOMG - Call the Ogres! |
| 21:59.12 | Lunessa | http://cheezburger.com/View.aspx?aid=2701189632 |
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| 22:07.39 | Thunder_Child | ~glare Lunessa |
| 22:07.40 | purl | ACTION glares at Lunessa |
| 22:08.24 | Thunder_Child | lol, there is a strong bad game |
| 22:08.38 | mikma | ok |
| 22:12.28 | Lunessa | It comes with hot girls, and buy hot girls I mean the cheep. |
| 22:12.39 | KarlKFI|work | the cheat* |
| 22:15.09 | NightHawkTheSane | haha... your mom jokes in congress. win... Sen. Jon Kyl, an Arizona Republican, recently defended the practice of charging women more for insurance by saying, "I don't need maternity care." Sen. Debbie Stabenow, a Michigan Democrat, fired right back: "I think your mom probably did." |
| 22:15.29 | NightHawkTheSane | link: http://www.pottstownmercury.com/articles/2009/10/08/opinion/srv0000006582688.txt |
| 22:15.33 | Lunessa | Bah. I haven't watched homestarrunner is a while. |
| 22:31.12 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* i wish the ipod app maker worked on windows |
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| 22:40.40 | Arrowmaster | omfg i finally got mplayer to work properly with alsa while something else was also using the sound device instead of it just bitching about the device being in use |
| 22:41.05 | Arrowmaster | had to change -ao alsa, to -ao alsa:noblock:device=default, |
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| 22:45.04 | Tepel | software mixing cards suck |
| 22:45.15 | Tepel | At least, under linux |
| 22:46.27 | Arrowmaster | ive had it working except mplayer was failing to open the alsa pcm device and falling back to openal and only giving me 2ch output while something else was using the device |
| 22:46.59 | Arrowmaster | now ive got it properly using dmix instead of trying to open the pcm device directly |
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| 23:01.22 | NightHawkTheSane | some people shouldn't be allowed to touch production websites. |
| 23:01.34 | NightHawkTheSane | the "lead dev" for the project i'm workingon is one of them. |
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| 23:01.47 | NightHawkTheSane | "I know, i'll just hack to gether a bash script to start memcached, and shove it in a rc folder somewhere." |
| 23:01.56 | Dagmar | _Developers_ shouldn't be allowed to touch production websites. |
| 23:02.17 | Dagmar | They should work on the devel box, and when it's time, someone clones it to the production environment. |
| 23:03.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: well, with very small companies, thats not really an option |
| 23:03.20 | Dagmar | Somebody better be making frequent backups then |
| 23:03.32 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, that'd be nice. shame its not really happening |
| 23:03.44 | Dagmar | You have your resume updated, right? |
| 23:03.47 | Codayus | Backups are also one of the things very small companies tend to feel aren't an option. |
| 23:03.50 | Codayus | Irony. |
| 23:03.51 | Dagmar | Sounds like you're just one act of god from unemployment. |
| 23:04.12 | Thrae | I live in the USA. |
| 23:04.20 | Thrae | It's an act of god to get OUT of unemployment. |
| 23:04.47 | Dagmar | If lightning strikes and takes out "the server" and your business is dependent upon it, and you have no backups, you can generally just cut straight to filing for bankruptcy |
| 23:04.50 | Thrae | Haha, we had a bad recession :( |
| 23:04.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Thrae: yeah, exactly. >< |
| 23:05.11 | NightHawkTheSane | if i thought i could easily step into a new job, i'd have been out of this one a couple weeks ago |
| 23:05.12 | mikma | oh wow |
| 23:05.20 | mikma | Blood Boil actually uses only one disease |
| 23:05.29 | Thrae | I look up jobs and they're like "36 Years of Unix Experience Required" |
| 23:06.12 | Thrae | "12 years of Vista/Windows 7 Networking Experience" |
| 23:06.13 | Dagmar | mikma: What? |
| 23:06.27 | Dagmar | It uses up a blood rune, not a disease. |
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| 23:06.58 | mikma | dagmar: totally not what i said |
| 23:07.08 | Dagmar | "<mikma> Blood Boil actually uses only one disease" |
| 23:07.12 | Dagmar | You've fooled me. |
| 23:07.21 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=49941 |
| 23:07.44 | mikma | i tried with dummy and the damage is same with 1 or 2 diseases :D |
| 23:08.30 | Dagmar | Well, it's being nerfed to milquetoasstness at the moment |
| 23:08.37 | Dagmar | I'm kinda not suprised |
| 23:08.53 | mikma | but that's a good thing for frost tank :D |
| 23:09.01 | mikma | Howling Blast, Blood Boil, Blood Boil .. |
| 23:09.24 | Dagmar | I liked it better when it stacked higher with more diseases |
| 23:10.35 | Thrae | I play a Druid. If we want to cause a Disease, we smoke in front of the Quilboars and tell them it's cool. |
| 23:11.09 | NightHawkTheSane | sighs |
| 23:11.27 | Dagmar | It'll even damage targets with no diseases now |
| 23:11.31 | Thrae | You should be glad I didn't make a VD joke. |
| 23:11.36 | Dagmar | That I find to be almost distasteful |
| 23:12.00 | Dagmar | It was a lot more fun when I could put four diseases on a buncha guys and then smack the hell out of blood boil |
| 23:12.04 | mikma | dagmar: ya, but that won't be a problem with glyphed HB anyway |
| 23:12.13 | Dagmar | ...and then wait for my opportuinty to strike with corpse explody |
| 23:12.30 | Dagmar | That's another nerf I didn't care for |
| 23:12.49 | mikma | wah wah! |
| 23:13.02 | Dagmar | Chain explosions weren't _that_ usable in XP-gain situations, but they were a HELL of a lot of fun in Scarlet Monastery |
| 23:13.22 | Dagmar | Get their HP stacked just so, wait for the first man to die and click it... BRRAAAAAAp! |
| 23:13.27 | Dagmar | Like a chain of human firecrackers |
| 23:14.01 | mikma | it's funny how it bugs sometimes |
| 23:14.14 | mikma | explodes already dead people, causing massive boomboomboom |
| 23:14.32 | Dagmar | It's supposed to explode dead people |
| 23:15.00 | mikma | sorry, i meant the glyph |
| 23:15.00 | p3lim | I need some help with itemLinks, I currently use the following to get the link type and item/spell id from the link, but i'd want the 3rd argument to match the name of the item/spell in the link. |
| 23:15.00 | p3lim | string.match(link, '|H(%w+):(%w+)') |
| 23:15.00 | Dagmar | The glyph of it used to make anyone who died from corpse explosion's damage _also_ explode |
| 23:15.12 | mikma | ye, and that's what bugs sometimes |
| 23:15.16 | Dagmar | Frankly I suspect they took that out because they coulnd't keep it from chain exploding |
| 23:15.37 | NightHawkTheSane | note to self: don't try to run a website on amazon ec2 |
| 23:15.40 | Dagmar | It was only supposed to go like that from the initial pulse |
| 23:16.07 | Dagmar | ...but I *loved* the human firecracker thing |
| 23:16.11 | Dagmar | guts everywhere |
| 23:16.39 | Dagmar | It would have easily been the most win trick in the game if they weren't so squeamish about gore |
| 23:17.02 | mikma | oh, i love A-MS when boss is starting to cast some hard spells on me :D |
| 23:18.25 | mikma | hih, almost 37k hp with tankgear <3 |
| 23:20.17 | p3lim | anyone? |
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| 23:27.12 | Shirik | hai |
| 23:27.53 | syrae | oh hai Shirik! how's you? lol |
| 23:28.11 | Shirik | happpppppy |
| 23:28.26 | syrae | happy Shirik is happy? whyfor today? |
| 23:28.34 | Shirik | I just learned JIRA can integrate with iGoogle and gmail |
| 23:28.43 | Shirik | as can bamboo |
| 23:28.45 | Shirik | and fisheye |
| 23:28.45 | syrae | orly? |
| 23:28.49 | Thunder_Child | i so hate igoogle |
| 23:28.55 | syrae | Im playin a game! |
| 23:29.12 | syrae | Im seein how long i cn lolspeak b4 my head esplodes! |
| 23:29.15 | Shirik | I don't understand how google can get away with "igoogle" |
| 23:29.27 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, eh? |
| 23:29.36 | Shirik | Apple has sued everyone else for iAnything |
| 23:29.45 | syrae | heh |
| 23:29.53 | Dagmar | It's an eagle-eye view |
| 23:29.54 | Thunder_Child | syrae, the fact that you are doing it at all says your head already exploded |
| 23:30.00 | NeoTron | Too Big To Sue |
| 23:30.03 | syrae | Thunder_Child: true enough |
| 23:30.06 | Shirik | We have been warned that our system, IDEA, looks too much like "iDEA" |
| 23:30.06 | NeoTron | probably not worth it :P |
| 23:30.12 | Shirik | and I'm like "wtf is that, the ipod version of the DEA?" |
| 23:30.23 | syrae | One time I got so little sleep I started chatting in Engrish. |
| 23:30.32 | NeoTron | works with Intellij IDEA every day. |
| 23:30.36 | Dagmar | Apple only sued the people engaging in flagrant trademark attacks |
| 23:30.41 | Shirik | different IDEA NeoTron |
| 23:30.44 | Dagmar | iGoogle isn't one of them |
| 23:30.49 | NeoTron | just saying, IDEA is hardly unique |
| 23:31.03 | syrae | plus... how can Apple possibly claim infringement when it's i<Company Name here> |
| 23:31.03 | Shirik | it's our logo is the problem |
| 23:31.07 | Shirik | the logo looks a lot like a small i |
| 23:31.09 | Shirik | even though it's not |
| 23:31.22 | p3lim | how do I use brackets in a string match/find? |
| 23:31.54 | p3lim | since its a "magic character" |
| 23:32.02 | Dagmar | escape it |
| 23:33.03 | p3lim | how |
| 23:33.07 | Shirik | % |
| 23:33.21 | p3lim | ive tried %[ |
| 23:33.45 | syrae | % is the escape character? bizarre |
| 23:33.57 | Jerub | Dagmar: they're suing woolworths over their logo at the moment.. |
| 23:34.09 | p3lim | I just get nil returns |
| 23:34.21 | syrae | though just about anything is better than HTML special characters. >_< |
| 23:34.42 | p3lim | string.match(itemlink, '|h%[(.+)%]|r$') |
| 23:35.01 | p3lim | trying to get the item name out of an itemlink, without the brackets |
| 23:35.15 | Dagmar | Jerub: Nothing to do with the i. |
| 23:35.22 | p3lim | but it doesnt work |
| 23:35.34 | Dagmar | Jerub: ...and whether or not they think the case has merit, they have no choice. |
| 23:35.57 | Dagmar | "The rules" basically amount to you have to take these things in front of a judge or you *lose* the trademark |
| 23:36.29 | p3lim | lua> string.match('|cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r', '|h%[(.+)%]|r$') |
| 23:36.30 | lua_bot | p3lim: nil |
| 23:36.32 | Dagmar | ...otherwise some Chinese company would make a red apple, put a bite in the opposite side, and then say "but you didn't sue those green apple people!" |
| 23:36.43 | p3lim | lua> string.match('|cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r', '|h(.+)|r$') |
| 23:36.43 | lua_bot | p3lim: [Broken Fang]|h |
| 23:36.55 | Dagmar | Once a _judge_ decides there's no infringement, everyone will be happy |
| 23:37.16 | Dagmar | Common sense has no place in a court of trademark law, unfortunately |
| 23:37.20 | p3lim | I just dont see how I can use [ ] |
| 23:37.31 | p3lim | since %[ and %] failed |
| 23:37.36 | syrae | um |
| 23:37.44 | syrae | I know next to nothing about lua |
| 23:37.52 | syrae | but can I suggest a work around p3lim? |
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| 23:37.58 | p3lim | lua> string.match('|cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r', '|h%[(.-)%]|r$') |
| 23:37.58 | lua_bot | p3lim: nil |
| 23:38.10 | syrae | get get crappy name w/ the brackets, and just strip off the first and last characters |
| 23:38.15 | Shirik | p3lim, %[ and %] works |
| 23:38.21 | p3lim | yeah i know I could do that |
| 23:38.21 | Shirik | if it didn't work for you, then you did it wrong |
| 23:38.28 | p3lim | string.gsub(string.match(str, 'h%[(.+)%]|r$'), '%1') |
| 23:38.29 | Shirik | then why do you say it failed? |
| 23:38.40 | p3lim | because I wanna do it all with string.match |
| 23:38.46 | p3lim | not bringing gsub in |
| 23:38.48 | Shirik | do what |
| 23:39.01 | p3lim | getting item name out of item link |
| 23:39.08 | p3lim | without bracets |
| 23:39.18 | Shirik | why doesn't string.match work? |
| 23:39.40 | p3lim | i dont know how to match for brackets |
| 23:39.42 | Shirik | lua> string.match('|cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r', '|h%[(.+)%]|r$') |
| 23:39.43 | lua_bot | Shirik: nil |
| 23:39.45 | Shirik | I already told you |
| 23:40.03 | p3lim | that returned nil |
| 23:40.22 | kd3 | lua> string.match('|cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r', '|h%[(.+)%]|h$') |
| 23:40.23 | lua_bot | kd3: nil |
| 23:40.25 | Shirik | lua> string.match('|cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r', '|h%[(.+)%]|h|r$') |
| 23:40.25 | lua_bot | Shirik: Broken Fang |
| 23:40.27 | Shirik | yeah |
| 23:40.31 | Shirik | it helps to have the |h there too |
| 23:40.41 | p3lim | ah -.- |
| 23:40.56 | syrae | Shirik ftw! |
| 23:41.25 | syrae | |r ftl |
| 23:41.26 | tem | What happens if you pick up 3/3 Acane Meditation, 3/3 Pyromaniac and use Mage armor? |
| 23:41.37 | kd3 | capped at 100% |
| 23:41.40 | NeoTron | you meditate, and then explode |
| 23:41.41 | tem | k |
| 23:41.50 | tem | so is picking up 3/3 for both viable? |
| 23:42.10 | kd3 | if you can come up with a spec that makes sense and you need that much mana |
| 23:42.20 | p3lim | lua> string.match('|cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r', '|H(%w+):(%w+)(.-)|h%[(.+)%]|h|r') |
| 23:42.20 | lua_bot | p3lim: item, 7073, :0:0:0:0:0:0:0, Broken Fang |
| 23:42.21 | kd3 | does fine in most fights with molten |
| 23:42.24 | tem | looks like to get 3/3 AM you lose 6% fireball crit |
| 23:42.33 | tem | which is pretty significant |
| 23:42.34 | p3lim | meh arg3 failed |
| 23:42.52 | tem | Also, giant WTF at the bottom of the Arcane tree |
| 23:42.54 | p3lim | lua> string.match('|cff9d9d9d|Hitem:7073:0:0:0:0:0:0:0|h[Broken Fang]|h|r', '|H(%w+):(%w+)(.*)|h%[(.+)%]|h|r') |
| 23:42.54 | lua_bot | p3lim: item, 7073, :0:0:0:0:0:0:0, Broken Fang |
| 23:43.07 | tem | yay for a completely worthless teir if you aren't going deep into arcane |
| 23:43.18 | Shirik | or, p3lim, you could not do any of this work |
| 23:43.21 | Shirik | since it's already done for you |
| 23:43.31 | Shirik | !api GetItemInfo |
| 23:43.32 | lua_bot | GetItemInfo: Returns information about an item, by name, link or id (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetItemInfo) |
| 23:43.49 | p3lim | yeah but I want it to also support spell and achievement |
| 23:43.54 | p3lim | thats why im not using that api |
| 23:43.58 | Shirik | ok |
| 23:44.35 | p3lim | ideally i was going for type, id, name as the returns from the match, but having name as 4th is close enough |
| 23:44.35 | tem | kd3, am I missing anything particularly important? http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#of0Vcu0cZ0E0bRbIuVubhst |
| 23:45.16 | p3lim | if there are any ignore character, let me know |
| 23:45.23 | Shirik | fine tem |
| 23:45.24 | Shirik | don't value my opinion |
| 23:45.27 | p3lim | (to replace (.*) with) |
| 23:45.30 | mikma | tem: is this the epix bg mage with 2mil kills? |
| 23:45.44 | tem | mikma, what? |
| 23:45.47 | kd3 | what are you planning on using for your rotation? LB>pom pyro>scorch>fireball? |
| 23:45.52 | tem | I haven't played my mage in like a year |
| 23:46.02 | mikma | tem: wasn't your mage like hot shit |
| 23:46.02 | tem | so I'm a little... out of touch |
| 23:46.10 | tem | mikma, I was hot shit last expansion |
| 23:46.11 | mikma | like, 100.000 kills etc |
| 23:46.15 | Thunder_Child | with reality tem |
| 23:46.16 | tem | 100k |
| 23:46.36 | tem | but then 2v2 bullshit ruined pvp for me |
| 23:47.07 | Shirik | see |
| 23:47.07 | tem | go 13-3 for a week and right before you get to the next bracket run into an assload of lock/druid teams |
| 23:47.10 | Shirik | tem totally ignores me |
| 23:47.20 | mikma | shirik: awwwww |
| 23:47.20 | tem | Shirik, I haven't seen ANYTHING you said directed at me |
| 23:47.27 | Shirik | (19:45:09) (@Shirik) fine tem |
| 23:47.28 | Shirik | (19:45:12) (@Shirik) don't value my opinion |
| 23:47.31 | tem | you were talking to p3lim about how he's trying to reinvent a wheel |
| 23:47.46 | mikma | shirik: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/cat_dog6.jpg <- you and tem |
| 23:47.56 | tem | Shirik, I saw that, but you didn't give me any of your opinion |
| 23:48.03 | tem | and I didn't ask you because you aren't a mage |
| 23:48.08 | tem | you're a dirty belf priest |
| 23:48.08 | Shirik | you did not authorize me to! |
| 23:48.13 | Shirik | You don't know that, maybe I class transfered |
| 23:48.22 | tem | I know you didnlt |
| 23:48.29 | Shirik | how |
| 23:48.38 | tem | I read your mind |
| 23:48.46 | Shirik | no |
| 23:48.48 | Shirik | you lie |
| 23:48.49 | tem | besides you were talking about healing on your priest the other day |
| 23:48.54 | mikma | shirik: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/dentist_dog_cat2.jpg |
| 23:48.55 | Shirik | I just did it 5 minutes ago |
| 23:49.09 | tem | mikma, I'm tired of seeing that picture. it keeps getting posted to reddit, and I just don't find it that amusing |
| 23:49.28 | Shirik | I liked http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/cat_dog6.jpg |
| 23:49.31 | Thunder_Child | the sad part mikma, is that reminds me of some couples i know |
| 23:49.40 | mikma | tem: which one? |
| 23:50.01 | tem | the cat on the roof |
| 23:50.18 | WobWork | aw |
| 23:50.18 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:50.21 | WobWork | that's cute |
| 23:50.25 | Shirik | it's not amusing |
| 23:50.26 | Shirik | it's cute |
| 23:50.29 | Shirik | like WobWork said |
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| 23:50.40 | mikma | tem: yeah, its not supposed to be amusing, you COLDHEARTED BASTARD |
| 23:50.58 | mikma | bastard-coated bastard with bastard filling :D |
| 23:51.19 | Shirik | ^ |
| 23:52.59 | tem | that sounds like a shin chan quote |
| 23:53.37 | mikma | it's from scrubs |
| 23:53.53 | tem | close enough, I guess |
| 23:54.07 | tem | probably perry talking about kelso |
| 23:54.07 | WobWork | <3 that episode |
| 23:54.29 | WobWork | I think it was perry talking about himself |
| 23:54.38 | WobWork | (or kelso ditto) |
| 23:54.48 | mikma | wobwork: he was talking about people being bastards :D |
| 23:54.52 | tem | oh |
| 23:55.00 | WobWork | well, he was saying that -he- was one too |
| 23:55.06 | mikma | ya |
| 23:55.07 | tem | kd3, glyphs? fireball, LB, molten armor? |
| 23:55.38 | kd3 | "what are you planning on using for your rotation? LB>pom pyro>scorch>fireball?" |
| 23:55.46 | tem | yes |
| 23:55.51 | kd3 | then ya |
| 23:56.09 | syrae | huh |
| 23:56.09 | tem | kd3, what other "rotations" are out there? |
| 23:56.14 | syrae | "pom" looks really similar to "porn" in this font. Eeeenteresting |
| 23:56.26 | kd3 | for primarily fire specs? nothing, really |
| 23:56.32 | tem | (I assume by "pom pyro" you mean hot streak proc pyros) |
| 23:56.35 | kd3 | ya |
| 23:56.42 | kd3 | I'm frostfire, so I sub fireball for ffb |
| 23:56.45 | syrae | hah |
| 23:56.49 | Jerub | syrae: Can I nterested you in some tentacle pom ? |
| 23:56.50 | kd3 | otherwise, there's an arc spec and a frost spec |
| 23:56.56 | kd3 | s/spec/rotation/g |
| 23:57.00 | tem | arc can suck a giant bag of dicks |
| 23:57.02 | tem | I hate that spec |
| 23:57.08 | syrae | Jerub: ~(o_O~) Noodley appendage!!!! |
| 23:57.22 | tem | I just tried to build a pve frost spec and I found the tree to shockingly bloated |
| 23:57.23 | WobWork | FSM |
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| 23:57.38 | tem | I couldn't pick up TotW |
| 23:57.58 | tem | or I had to skip a bunch of dps talents in frost |
| 23:57.58 | NeoTron | tem: planning to raid... Molten Core? |
| 23:58.20 | tem | well... pretty much all my raidin experience on my mage was done as frost |
| 23:58.28 | tem | and after I stopped raiding on my mage, I was pvp |
| 23:58.35 | tem | so I'm definitely most comfortable as frost |
| 23:59.07 | kd3 | so go frostfire? nearly all of the dps of arc/fire with a good bit of frost's control? |
| 23:59.12 | kd3 | hugs frostfire |
| 23:59.25 | tem | yeah frostfire seems like it could be fun |
| 23:59.37 | NightHawkTheSane | okay, 26" screens are huge.... |
| 23:59.37 | tem | it seems like it may rely on you having a good bit of crit, though |
| 23:59.41 | kd3 | plus: really, really big crits |
| 23:59.52 | tem | yes, really really big crits are always a plus :D |
| 23:59.56 | kd3 | crit comes naturally once you get geared. as long as you're hitcapped |
