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| 00:01.33 | theorb | The court pretty explicitly disagrees. |
| 00:01.51 | theorb | They did a transfer of *ownership*, not a transfer of *copyright*. Very different things. |
| 00:01.58 | ZorbaBeta | "purchased vs licensing" and "piracy is legal/illegal" are two completely different things. |
| 00:02.23 | Shirik | I'm not sure you can say that |
| 00:02.25 | Shirik | I bought something |
| 00:02.32 | Shirik | I have the right to give it to someone else |
| 00:02.35 | ZorbaBeta | yes, I can say that :P the law is extremely clear |
| 00:02.38 | Jerub | oh, a recent assult on the right of first sale? |
| 00:02.43 | ZorbaBeta | you have the right to give it to someone else. you do not have the right to copy it. |
| 00:02.44 | Jerub | who won? the goodies or the baddies? |
| 00:02.53 | ZorbaBeta | think about books. you buy a book. you sell a book. you can't copy books. it is the exact same situation. |
| 00:03.11 | Thunder_Child | yet installing it is a copy more or less |
| 00:03.28 | Shirik | ZorbaBeta: Sure |
| 00:03.28 | Shirik | prove that I didn't get rid of it |
| 00:03.28 | Jerub | uh, s/right/doctrine/ |
| 00:03.42 | ZorbaBeta | shirik, it doesn't matter. you don't have the right to make a copy and get rid of the original. |
| 00:03.59 | Shirik | Well if you're going to say that, I'll go back to the older argument of "executing the program is copying it" |
| 00:04.04 | Codayus | Jerub: The court backed the right of first sale, in this case. |
| 00:04.11 | Jerub | yaay, goodies won. |
| 00:04.52 | DWSR | There's a reason I pirate this. |
| 00:04.55 | DWSR | stuff |
| 00:04.55 | Jerub | there was seirous pressure from publishers in time gone by to stop second hand book stores from operating, and more recently, second hand music shops. |
| 00:05.30 | Jerub | but there's always divide between publishers and content creators on this issue. |
| 00:06.05 | theorb | Don't forget second hand game shops. |
| 00:06.35 | theorb | ...and, of course, Steam represents a very succesful assualt on this, in some ways. |
| 00:06.35 | Shirik | another thing I hate |
| 00:06.50 | theorb | There's no way to sell on your old steam game when you are done with it. |
| 00:07.02 | Shirik | well you can |
| 00:07.07 | DWSR | Sell your account. |
| 00:07.10 | Shirik | won't do the buyer much good |
| 00:07.35 | DWSR | I have sold a steam account before. |
| 00:07.37 | Shirik | DWSR: Forbidden by EULA :) |
| 00:07.56 | DWSR | Shirik: Prove I'm the original owner then? |
| 00:08.01 | Jerub | ooh, this is interesting: http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/09/you-bought-it-you-own-it-mdy-v-blizzard-appealed |
| 00:08.59 | Jerub | we discussed the ToS here at length a while ago: this is it being challenged in court. |
| 00:09.23 | DWSR | Jerub: May I just say. |
| 00:09.27 | DWSR | YOU ARE NOT PREPAREd. |
| 00:10.26 | theorb | It's challenging the EULA, not the ToS, which I think is very telling. |
| 00:10.50 | DWSR | Like I said. |
| 00:11.04 | DWSR | I just pirate it. It's really not all that big a deal at the end of the day. |
| 00:11.13 | DWSR | Been doing it for years, no one's come knocking on my door. |
| 00:11.49 | theorb | Even if MDY, it turns out, can use the software, that doesn't mean he can use the service. It's completely possible for him to win and still loose. |
| 00:12.39 | Jerub | theorb: difference is gazillions of dollars. |
| 00:13.28 | DWSR | theorb: If he wins, though, he still wins. |
| 00:13.42 | DWSR | And btw, lose not loose. |
| 00:14.09 | theorb | Yes, a win here will certianly change the world of software legality quite a bit, and for the better, I think. |
| 00:14.26 | theorb | It doesn't neccessarly mean that he can legally do what he was doing in the first place. |
| 00:14.39 | theorb | DWSR: Thanks. I hate it when I come across as an idiot. |
| 00:15.07 | DWSR | theorb: What he's doing is *still* against the ToS. |
| 00:15.22 | theorb | Yep, I agree. |
| 00:15.41 | Jerub | what we discussed here a while back was specifically the legality of third party servers. they violate the ToS and blizz revokes your right to have a copy of the software as a legal lever. If this case wins, it sets a precedent that blizz can't use the ToS in that way. |
| 00:15.47 | mikma | who is doing what |
| 00:16.03 | DWSR | mikma: MDY vs. blizzzrd is being appealed. |
| 00:16.09 | Jerub | mikma: a bot writer (mdy's wow glider) is getting sued by blizz. |
| 00:16.23 | DWSR | has been sued. |
| 00:16.25 | mikma | imho, blizzards point if view sucks |
| 00:16.42 | mikma | i buy a game to own it |
| 00:16.46 | DWSR | mikma: It's not whether or not it sucks, it's whether or not they can bribe the judges with all of our subscription money. |
| 00:16.59 | DWSR | and I mean ALL of it. |
| 00:17.10 | mikma | dwsr: they sure can, from top of the golden mountain |
| 00:17.12 | DWSR | Like, all $100 million dollars a month. :P |
| 00:17.21 | Lopeppeppy | I prefer the Big Rock Candy Mountain |
| 00:17.29 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Charlie! |
| 00:17.39 | DWSR | The magical Candy Mountain, of hope and glory! |
| 00:17.56 | DWSR | http://ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20090916 |
| 00:19.09 | DWSR | Not that I personally think that paladins are overpowered, but sometimes I feel like this is what the FotM coaster is all caused by. |
| 00:19.27 | mikma | fuck of the month? |
| 00:19.57 | DWSR | =\ |
| 00:20.04 | DWSR | That would be your mother this month, mikma. |
| 00:20.36 | mikma | dwsr: you wish |
| 00:20.46 | DWSR | mikma: No, she wishes. |
| 00:21.01 | mikma | no you |
| 00:21.09 | DWSR | lolumad? |
| 00:21.15 | DWSR | omg, star wars in 1080p. |
| 00:21.17 | DWSR | Yes please. |
| 00:21.24 | DWSR | torrents |
| 00:21.59 | DWSR | Anyone know a torrent site where I can find Star Wars Ep. 2 in 720p or 1080p? |
| 00:22.14 | mikma | dwsr: na, that was ckknight default reply nr.2 |
| 00:22.28 | DWSR | What's #1? |
| 00:22.52 | mikma | pants |
| 00:23.11 | Jerub | DWSR: ep 2 was never made, maybe you mean episode 5? |
| 00:23.27 | Keias | I see what you did there. |
| 00:23.33 | DWSR | icwutudidthar. |
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| 00:23.57 | DWSR | Does anyone actually know why the fuck they made 456 before 123? |
| 00:25.00 | mikma | dwsr: 4 was 1 for a while afaik, then george "goldboy" lucas decided to make it as 4 |
| 00:25.25 | DWSR | mikma: Well...the opening text says Ep. 4. |
| 00:25.27 | DWSR | So meh. |
| 00:25.36 | mikma | it does =) |
| 00:25.38 | DWSR | Anyway, need a copy of Clone Wars in 720p or 1080p |
| 00:25.46 | DWSR | anyone? |
| 00:25.47 | mikma | but did it always? ... ;) |
| 00:25.57 | mikma | dwsr: thepiratebay.org |
| 00:26.36 | DWSR | mikma: Pub tracker hell? no thanks. |
| 00:26.39 | DWSR | It's also not on there. |
| 00:27.09 | mikma | dwsr: you do not know whats tbp? |
| 00:27.44 | mikma | tpb* |
| 00:30.09 | DWSR | Anyone here a member at Bit-HDTV? |
| 00:30.12 | DWSR | Or HDBits? |
| 00:31.41 | Jerub | facinating. the bot software is still for sale and still evades warden. |
| 00:32.52 | mikma | cool |
| 00:33.49 | DWSR | what does Glider even do? |
| 00:34.25 | Kraps | exciting tigers/twins game |
| 00:34.32 | mikma | http://pastebay.com/ |
| 00:34.35 | mikma | hahaa |
| 00:35.39 | Jerub | DWSR: i'm sure i've seen someone using it. |
| 00:35.41 | mikma | http://pastebay.com/59470 |
| 00:35.48 | Jerub | autokill, skin, loot, mine, herb, etc. |
| 00:35.51 | mikma | check if your hotmail email is listed |
| 00:36.15 | Jerub | DWSR: you just throw it in un'goro crater somewhere and let it run around gaining xp for you. |
| 00:38.52 | kd3 | oh wow... top of the 10th |
| 00:38.54 | kd3 | ponders |
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| 00:41.51 | Kraps | wonders what kd3 is pondering |
| 00:42.07 | kd3 | just wondering how this is going to end |
| 00:42.52 | Lopeppeppy | in tears |
| 00:43.07 | Jerub | what's the top of the 10th? |
| 00:43.26 | Kraps | tigers/twins |
| 00:43.28 | kd3 | the tiebreaker detroit/minnesota game |
| 00:45.57 | Kraps | huh, civ 4 has a lot of low user reviews on metacritic |
| 00:46.04 | kd3 | wtg pinch runner |
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| 00:48.58 | Jerub | A workmate of mine was saying a friend of his realised he had a civ4 addiction when he was stuck in traffic. |
| 00:49.20 | Jerub | he'd managed to install and start a game of civ4 on his laptop before he realised what he was doing was insane. |
| 00:49.53 | Lopeppeppy | laptop in the car is bad |
| 00:49.55 | Kraps | lol |
| 00:50.08 | Lopeppeppy | g'night all |
| 00:50.48 | Kraps | i wasnt good at the game but the in-game library blows my mind |
| 00:51.03 | Kraps | i would run the game just to read it |
| 00:57.30 | kd3 | and it's a tie game |
| 00:57.31 | kd3 | again |
| 00:57.39 | kd3 | geez |
| 00:58.25 | mikma | laptop in car is not bad, if you have SSD disk :D |
| 01:00.44 | theorbtwo | mikma: The issue isn't damaging the laptop, it's paying attention to the laptop instead of the fucking road! |
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| 01:01.56 | Adys | "The root of all evil?" by Dawkins, very good vid |
| 01:03.10 | mikma | theorbtwo: .. who wants to play while driving, that's just insane |
| 01:04.17 | theorbtwo | mikma: Jerub's addicted friend. That's what we're saying -- it is insane. |
| 01:05.20 | mikma | theorbtwo: s/addicted/insane/ |
| 01:05.40 | theorbtwo | addiction is a form of insanity. |
| 01:07.42 | Antiarc | blah blah http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/sexycooldown.aspx go break it and tell me what to fix |
| 01:10.12 | Adys | ulduar is so gorgeous |
| 01:10.35 | Adys | you all europeans while servers are still up |
| 01:11.00 | Adys | you should all get online, get in a raid and have a tour in empty ulduar if you havent done it before |
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| 01:11.29 | mikma | no thanks, i'll rather clear it |
| 01:11.41 | Adys | why? |
| 01:11.44 | Adys | its boring as shit to clear |
| 01:12.02 | Adys | and you dont see 1/10th of the graphics |
| 01:12.07 | Adys | just a bunch of numbers and 10 fps |
| 01:12.43 | Kraps | 10 fps? pffft |
| 01:13.29 | Thunder_Child | 10? sad |
| 01:13.57 | Adys | well |
| 01:13.59 | Adys | 20ish for me |
| 01:14.04 | Adys | Im on full graphics in raids eh |
| 01:16.05 | Jerub | I haven't civ'd since alpha centurai. |
| 01:16.21 | Jerub | but civ1 is repsonsible for my bad marks in early highscohol. |
| 01:16.50 | Jerub | oh, i ran up spartanui last night. |
| 01:17.00 | mikma | hahahaha |
| 01:17.08 | Jerub | it's nice, but i'm not sure i like the guy i'm attacking's unit frame on the bottom, and my party at top right. |
| 01:17.27 | Jerub | Antiarc: the screenshots don't show for me. |
| 01:17.55 | Jerub | oh, nevermind, it's that media.curse.com is classified as adult content by my webfilter. |
| 01:18.46 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/wow/WoWScrnShot_092709_203046.jpg |
| 01:19.09 | mikma | i like my almost default ui |
| 01:19.45 | Jerub | i don't have a big monitor, and i don't have widescreen |
| 01:19.57 | Jerub | so spartan has managed to give me a lot more realestate. |
| 01:20.34 | Jerub | just .. i don't know about where the party stuff is being dispalyed and how it's being dispalyed. |
| 01:24.09 | mikma | ttp://mikma.eu/wow/WoWScrnShot_092309_012306.jpg |
| 01:24.13 | mikma | hehe, pewpew |
| 01:24.25 | mikma | yes, terminal left out a h, again |
| 01:24.53 | Jerub | get a better terminal |
| 01:25.09 | mikma | impossible |
| 01:29.13 | mikma | http://fukung.net/v/14030/45bcb5c6af5fb1e51c614b9ec2f7567a.gif |
| 01:31.24 | Jerub | mikma: wonderful. |
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| 01:34.50 | Kraps | 50% off empire total war |
| 01:37.47 | kd3 | what a miraculous strike |
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| 01:42.48 | Thunder_Child | dont look if you have a weak stomach http://fukung.net/v/17542/lamprey1.jpg |
| 01:45.18 | kd3 | game over |
| 01:45.30 | Kraps | Minnesota wins |
| 01:47.43 | Kaso | Thunder_Child, the only picture worse than that is the breast one *shudder* |
| 01:48.06 | Thunder_Child | i remember than one |
| 01:48.09 | Thunder_Child | sadly |
| 01:57.53 | Adys | what's that anyway? |
| 01:58.01 | Adys | its not a removed nail |
| 01:58.07 | WobWork1 | Kaso: yeah, that breast one is way way -worse- |
| 01:58.11 | Adys | is it some kind of gangrene? |
| 01:58.21 | WobWork1 | Adys: it's a photoshopped lamprey eel mouth on fingers |
| 01:59.04 | Arrowmaster | oh its just a mouth... |
| 01:59.06 | WobWork1 | The breast one is worse, cause it -looks- vaugely possible |
| 01:59.06 | Kaso | for those who havent seen the breast one (NSFW) http://www.snopes.com/photos/medical/graphics/breast.jpg |
| 01:59.17 | Arrowmaster | i wondered why it didnt really look that bad |
| 02:00.03 | Adys | that one? |
| 02:00.07 | Adys | hows it worse O_o |
| 02:00.18 | Kaso | oh it is worse |
| 02:00.23 | WobWork1 | well the lamprey one doesn't look feasible |
| 02:00.26 | Arrowmaster | yeah im fairly desensitized neither of those effected me at all |
| 02:00.29 | Adys | its a lot more obviously shopped |
| 02:00.36 | Adys | the first one could be a gangrene-ish |
| 02:00.42 | WobWork1 | oh you're missing the backstory for the breast one |
| 02:00.56 | Adys | fine. |
| 02:00.57 | WobWork1 | read the snopes article |
| 02:01.18 | Kaso | http://www.snopes.com/photos/medical/breastrash.asp |
| 02:01.25 | WobWork1 | Also, some imagery should not be associated with breasts =) |
| 02:02.24 | Adys | uh no, after reading the backstory its still very obviously shopped |
| 02:03.04 | WobWork1 | In other weird news, I was just scanning through some entries for a competition we're running, and there were multiple entries from one person. This couldn't really occur, unless that person worked in an optometrist and had access to a bunch of the unique codes, so I looked her up. Seems she's friends with my cousin, -and- a guy I went to school with. |
| 02:03.15 | WobWork1 | Facebook really enweirdens relationships |
| 02:03.53 | WobWork1 | Adys: that story originally came out a long time ago |
| 02:04.02 | WobWork1 | before 'being shopped' was a term =) |
| 02:04.14 | WobWork1 | or at least a popular one |
| 02:04.31 | WobWork1 | my -mother- sent me that story |
| 02:04.43 | WobWork1 | from an email her cousin sent her, etc etc etc |
| 02:04.46 | Adys | No known medical condition causes a result like the one depicted here, and the breast tissue around the supposed "larvae infestation" is too healthy (no redness, inflammation, or necrosis) to be believable. |
| 02:04.50 | Adys | qft |
| 02:05.09 | kd3 | wob; I send off rather annoyed emails at whatever family members who forward me crap |
| 02:05.12 | WobWork1 | Irrational Fear Knows No Logic On The Interwebs |
| 02:05.13 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 02:05.16 | Adys | and yea I remember it from a few years ago |
| 02:05.18 | kd3 | most of the time pointing them at the relevant snopes article |
| 02:05.27 | WobWork1 | kd3: yeah, I taught my mum to look up these things on Snopes |
| 02:05.43 | WobWork1 | so now -she- debunks the myths for the family =) |
| 02:05.54 | jnwhiteh | Is there anyone here who is familiar with the WoW API system and is willing to take 10 minutes and read my slides for tomorrow's talk? I want to make sure that I'm not missing something huge.. PM me. |
| 02:08.19 | jnwhiteh | wow |
| 02:08.23 | jnwhiteh | the UI forums are.. |
| 02:08.24 | jnwhiteh | special |
| 02:08.28 | jnwhiteh | how long has it been like this? |
| 02:08.34 | kd3 | entirely too long |
| 02:08.35 | Arrowmaster | like what? |
| 02:08.41 | jnwhiteh | just |
| 02:08.43 | jnwhiteh | all support |
| 02:08.46 | jnwhiteh | at best |
| 02:08.58 | jnwhiteh | we used to actually.. talk.. and help each other.. and discuss things |
| 02:08.58 | Arrowmaster | years? |
| 02:09.05 | jnwhiteh | i've been gone fro 2 years |
| 02:09.06 | Arrowmaster | i think we all quit |
| 02:09.10 | jnwhiteh | and stopped reading a while before that |
| 02:09.10 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 02:10.16 | Arrowmaster | seriously how many innovative new addons do you see coming out, most the devs quit or just play enough to raid and maintain their existing addons |
| 02:11.54 | cogwheel | well, at some point innovation gives way to momentum |
| 02:12.20 | cogwheel | even if there were no author turnover |
| 02:13.47 | Arrowmaster | yeah i know, the past 10-15 years have been a major tech/science slump too compared to the past |
| 02:14.12 | cogwheel | once you get a certain saturation of innovative addons; once most of the depths of the API have been explored; it takes a great insight to come up with something fresh |
| 02:14.49 | cogwheel | Arrowmaster: well that's more because of theoretical physical limits... at ~3ghz the speed of light is too slow to get a signal across a chip in a single cycle >< |
| 02:15.11 | cogwheel | (otherwise i think tech and sci are making great strides) |
| 02:15.21 | cogwheel | (then again my ipod is filled with various science podcasts) |
| 02:15.39 | ZorbaBeta | dude sitting outside TOTC on a spectral tiger with a warglaive of azzinoth and an achiever's tabard |
| 02:15.41 | ZorbaBeta | showoff |
| 02:15.47 | Arrowmaster | do we have to revive the harddrive discussion from the other night |
| 02:15.56 | theorbtwo | There's also a degree of "it's all been done". |
| 02:16.34 | theorbtwo | There's not that much that a beginner can do without feeling they're just reinventing the wheel. |
| 02:16.38 | cogwheel | Arrowmaster: herb sutter gave an interesting talk on how pretty much every system in a computer is simply a way of getting around latency... |
| 02:17.19 | cogwheel | like 90ish% of a cpu die is cache, prefetch, or pipelining logic |
| 02:19.49 | cogwheel | in any case, it can all be summed up in two words: diminishing returns |
| 02:20.18 | theorbtwo | Yep. Now our caches have caches. |
| 02:22.33 | Adys | [05:08:18] <@jnwhiteh> how long has it been like this? |
| 02:22.35 | Adys | the ui forums? Oo |
| 02:22.39 | Adys | what's up with them? |
| 02:22.40 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 02:22.47 | jnwhiteh | they're just not good. |
| 02:22.52 | DWSR | lol |
| 02:22.58 | DWSR | You're talking about....THE forums right? |
| 02:23.02 | DWSR | The cesspool of trolling? |
| 02:23.07 | DWSR | The spawn of internet scum? |
| 02:23.17 | DWSR | Or are these some other forums? |
| 02:23.38 | Kraps | one of the worst places on and off earth? |
| 02:24.14 | Shirik | is excited |
| 02:24.20 | Shirik | will have teriyaki chicken tomorrow night |
| 02:24.23 | DWSR | ROFL |
| 02:24.33 | Shirik | I found this teriyaki sauce that's absolutely awesome, I can never find it anywhere |
| 02:24.37 | Shirik | so happy |
| 02:24.40 | DWSR | Shirik, I love you. |
| 02:24.46 | DWSR | Perfect time for an out of context quote. |
| 02:24.47 | Shirik | :) |
| 02:25.01 | Shirik | glad I could be so accomodating |
| 02:25.12 | Kraps | thinks this is strange |
| 02:26.03 | Kraps | Killing off arthas,killing a part of the lore |
| 02:26.08 | Kraps | looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool |
| 02:26.48 | kd3 | I somehow suspect he's not going to die |
| 02:26.55 | Kraps | 1 New Class in 5 years = Not Acceptable |
| 02:26.56 | Kraps | looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool |
| 02:27.44 | DWSR | kd3: If TotC isn't the last we see of Anub'Arak, I'm going to fucking scream. |
| 02:28.08 | kd3 | "The coliseum was merely a setback!" |
| 02:28.11 | Kraps | so whats a regular scream? |
| 02:28.30 | DWSR | sorry, but every time they retcon some lore figure into the game for another round as a boss, I lose it. |
| 02:28.38 | DWSR | Are we ever going to fucking kill Mal'Ganis? |
| 02:28.43 | DWSR | How many times has this guy escaped? |
| 02:28.50 | kd3 | never |
| 02:28.51 | Adys | Once? |
| 02:28.51 | kd3 | ever |
| 02:29.01 | Adys | he escaped prince arthas once |
| 02:30.03 | Kraps | problem is, kd3, you ran CoS too much :) |
| 02:32.19 | DWSR | ja mata. |
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| 02:38.23 | Shirik | DWSR you cannot deny it |
| 02:38.33 | Shirik | teriyaki sauce > all |
| 02:38.42 | Shirik | epic teriyaki sauce > teriyaki sauce |
| 02:38.46 | Shirik | 'nuff said. |
| 02:39.13 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, as a sauce? |
| 02:39.22 | Shirik | well as a marinade |
| 02:40.04 | Kraps | isnt the rule: epic <noun> > <noun> |
| 02:40.17 | Shirik | no |
| 02:40.28 | Shirik | epic Fisker < Fisker |
| 02:40.31 | Thrae | I hate it when these "hardware scanners" enumerate my display devices incorrectly. |
| 02:40.32 | cogwheel | Shirik: which teriyaki? I'm rather fond of Soy Vay myself |
| 02:40.38 | DWSR | https://www.beatport.com/en-US/html/content/release/detail/195860/Da%20Bump <-- Someone tell me what they see wrong here. |
| 02:40.45 | Shirik | it's this very particular variety of Kikkoman |
| 02:40.51 | Shirik | Kikkoman's generic stuff is crap |
| 02:41.01 | Shirik | but this one is amazing. And I can never find it anywhere |
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| 02:41.33 | DWSR | Does anyone see what's wrong with the link above? |
| 02:41.40 | Shirik | http://www.kikkomanusa.com/products_hc_details.php?pf=10301&fam=103 |
| 02:42.13 | Shirik | DWSR: That %20 becomes _ ? |
| 02:42.16 | DWSR | no. |
| 02:42.21 | Shirik | well it does :P |
| 02:42.24 | DWSR | Shirik: Content of the actual page. :P |
| 02:42.39 | Shirik | um |
| 02:42.42 | Shirik | it gets stuck at 100%? |
| 02:42.44 | Thunder_Child | cogwheel, that name makes me cry |
| 02:42.46 | cogwheel | heh... soy vay actually looks a bit like that (with the sesame seeds floating on top especially) |
| 02:42.55 | DWSR | hold on, let me get the actual release info |
| 02:43.01 | Shirik | I've never heard of soy vayo |
| 02:43.02 | Shirik | so |
| 02:43.06 | Shirik | maybe it's good :) |
| 02:43.17 | cogwheel | http://www.soyvay.com/ |
| 02:43.47 | Thunder_Child | i have had it before, but the name still makes me cry |
| 02:43.54 | DWSR | Shirik: That link should work for you. |
| 02:43.57 | DWSR | But let me put it this way. |
| 02:43.59 | Shirik | actually does look good cogwheel :) |
| 02:44.12 | DWSR | All of the sudden, Edwin Van Cleef is no longer the boss of the Deadmines and now a house artist. |
| 02:44.16 | Jerub | the name makes you cry? |
| 02:44.20 | Shirik | it definitely gets stuck at 100% |
| 02:44.38 | Thunder_Child | in a manner of speaking |
| 02:44.42 | DWSR | Someone called themselves Edwin Van Cleef and started producing house music. |
| 02:44.45 | Jerub | hwy? |
| 02:44.52 | Thunder_Child | it's a pun |
| 02:45.23 | DWSR | Jerub: Soy vay? |
| 02:45.25 | DWSR | OII VAY |
| 02:45.29 | Jerub | ooooh. |
| 02:45.49 | Thunder_Child | oy vay. i dunno what the hell oii is |
| 02:45.51 | Jerub | .. that's .. uhh... |
| 02:45.58 | Jerub | a jewish pun? |
| 02:46.04 | Thunder_Child | yep |
| 02:46.33 | Thunder_Child | the writing on the bottle is reminicent of hebrew |
| 02:47.30 | Kraps | what what |
| 02:47.36 | Kraps | what does it say |
| 02:47.50 | Shirik | it says soy vay |
| 02:47.55 | Thunder_Child | i mean the style |
| 02:48.01 | Thunder_Child | it's in english |
| 02:48.48 | Kraps | Counter-Strike: Source, good or bad? |
| 02:48.57 | Jerub | Kraps: bad |
| 02:49.06 | Thunder_Child | thats a personal opnion |
| 02:49.12 | Thunder_Child | but i like it myself |
| 02:49.16 | Kraps | why do i even try |
| 02:50.02 | Kraps | its online? |
| 02:50.11 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 02:50.12 | Jerub | hm. this morning i discovered i had a) nearly 60k honor and b) blue boots. |
| 02:50.14 | Kraps | i mean played online |
| 02:50.16 | Jerub | I fixed both :D |
| 02:50.20 | Thunder_Child | condition zero is the single player version |
| 02:51.39 | DWSR | Kraps: It's fine. |
| 02:51.44 | DWSR | It's not my favourite, I prefer 1.6 |
| 02:51.50 | DWSR | Instead, I recommend you save your money or get TF2. |
| 02:51.55 | DWSR | Because TF2 is much more amounts of epic. |
| 02:52.05 | Jerub | TF2 is the most win possible in a game. |
| 02:52.49 | Jerub | I played TF2 for about 6 months straight before I started WoW. I really didn't like pvp battlegrounds in wow because I was like, "I could play my stupid kitty against these twinks in this shallow rendition of CTF, or play TF2." |
| 02:52.54 | Jerub | and would go play TF2. |
| 02:56.15 | Kraps | why is tf2 so win? |
| 02:57.22 | Kraps | 250 steam achievements :O |
| 02:57.39 | Jerub | Kraps: because it's taken all the wonderfulness of TF the original, and made it into a beautiful modern game. |
| 02:58.20 | Kraps | which begs the question... (guess) |
| 02:58.43 | Jerub | it's got a large amount of rock/paper/scissors class choice, well designed maps and good graphics. |
| 02:59.12 | Kraps | the cartoon style looks interesting |
| 02:59.30 | Thunder_Child | the rock paper scissor crap is the reason i prefer CSS over TF2 |
| 02:59.48 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: really? I find it to be one of the best balcing bits of the game. |
| 03:00.16 | Codayus | Thunder_Child: That's a personal choice, and valid. But don't make the mistake of thinking that a TF2 class-based design is inherently bad or worse. :-) |
| 03:00.37 | Thunder_Child | Codayus, what inherent? i have played both |
| 03:00.47 | Thunder_Child | Jerub, *shrug* |
| 03:00.49 | Jerub | Kraps: the cartoon style means you can instantly identify any opponent's class. :) |
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| 03:01.09 | Codayus | Thunder_Child: Yeah, so? Lots of people have played both. But calling it crap implies that you don't understand it. |
| 03:01.34 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: You think Soy Vay looks hebrew? |
| 03:01.37 | Shirik | What about Soy Vay Veri Veri Teriyaki |
| 03:02.07 | Jerub | how many battlegrounds would i hvae to do to earn 60000 honor? |
| 03:02.14 | Jerub | at level 80 |
| 03:02.18 | cogwheel | veri veri hebrewyaki |
| 03:02.31 | Adys | Jerub: to give you an idea, handing out 5 marks gives 1489 honor |
| 03:02.57 | Jerub | h,m and i htink there are a bunch of WG quests that give about 5000... |
| 03:03.05 | Adys | thats about 265 bg loss, or 88 bg wins |
| 03:03.16 | Adys | thats the marks alone |
| 03:03.35 | Jerub | is seriously considering farming BGs for honor to get DPS gear upgrades |
| 03:03.45 | Adys | do one wg for the quests, do a few eots/sota/ioc |
| 03:03.50 | Adys | youll have all your honor in no time |
| 03:04.00 | Adys | ive been honorcapped and back to 0 4 times the past week or so |
| 03:04.08 | Jerub | awesome. |
| 03:04.27 | Jerub | i bought these this morning: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=41836 |
| 03:05.04 | Jerub | oh sweet, armory has my char up: http://quickarmory.com/?n=brandi&r=Dath%27Remar |
| 03:06.03 | Jerub | quickarmory doesn't seem to calculate kitty stuff very well. |
| 03:06.06 | Shirik | lol noob |
| 03:06.18 | Jerub | Shirik: yes! I am a noob! |
| 03:06.26 | Shirik | Also, that site is horrible |
| 03:07.01 | Jerub | Shirik: it's what i use for gearchecking, what do yoou use? |
| 03:07.10 | Shirik | I use a site that doesn't force you to use IE |
| 03:07.18 | Jerub | Shirik: ..i'm in firefox |
| 03:07.19 | Shirik | be.imba.hu is a popular one |
| 03:07.28 | Thunder_Child | Codayus, no, it meas i dont like it, not that i dont understand it. |
| 03:07.34 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, yes |
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| 03:09.09 | Shirik | there's a better one |
| 03:09.16 | Shirik | but I can't remember what it is |
| 03:10.07 | Shirik | ah yes |
| 03:10.08 | Shirik | http://drenden-us.warcrafter.net/Kimina |
| 03:10.33 | Shirik | however, where the fuck it gets the idea that I have 27 mp5 I don't know |
| 03:12.58 | Jerub | warcrafter gets feral stuff even more confused. |
| 03:15.07 | Kraps | Jerub: farm heroics and get sweet welfares |
| 03:15.34 | Codayus | Thunder_Child: "I don't like it" and "it's crap" are quite different things. |
| 03:16.07 | Shirik | Jerub: Ferals are broken anyway |
| 03:16.20 | Shirik | I only like playing a feral because cats are cute :P |
| 03:16.40 | Jerub | Kraps: what? eoC? |
| 03:16.49 | Jerub | Kraps: yeah, i'm working on that, but there's no good shoulders. |
| 03:16.53 | Thunder_Child | Codayus, please understand slang, i was not calling it bad. |
| 03:16.59 | Jerub | ferals aren't broken :( |
| 03:17.09 | Jerub | (seriously? are they? tell me why?) |
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| 03:17.15 | Codayus | Thunder_Child: YOU DID. WHY DO YOU LIE? DO YOU HATE AMERICA? |
| 03:17.19 | Shirik | they aren't really :P |
| 03:17.30 | Shirik | but I still think ferals are only useful for looking at :P |
| 03:17.51 | Kraps | Jerub: get the EoV shoulders |
| 03:18.28 | Jerub | I'm actually really pleased with the damage output of my kitty. |
| 03:20.43 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 03:20.46 | Shirik | fight |
| 03:20.48 | Shirik | for your right |
| 03:20.50 | Shirik | to party |
| 03:24.51 | Kraps | maybe i'll buy both! (evil laugh) |
| 03:29.50 | Kraps | or rainbow six |
| 03:30.22 | Jerub | gah. |
| 03:30.29 | Shirik | buy rainbow 7 |
| 03:30.33 | Shirik | it's luckier |
| 03:30.33 | Jerub | is having the "you will get posix sockets wrong" conversation again. |
| 03:30.47 | kd3 | uguh |
| 03:30.48 | Shirik | posix sockets aren't that complicated... |
| 03:31.27 | tem | roflcopter |
| 03:31.27 | Jerub | Shirik: they're very easy to get wrong unless you understand all the possible error conditions. |
| 03:31.35 | tem | 22 minute clear of toc10 |
| 03:31.44 | Jerub | tem: far out. that's faster than my DTK runs. |
| 03:32.09 | tem | and I cleaned up on offspec gear wewt |
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| 03:36.19 | Shirik | EPIC FAILURE @ BRIGHTHOUSE FUUUUUUUUu |
| 03:38.25 | Jerub | Shirik: what's StatisticalEngineer in your usermask? |
| 03:38.38 | Shirik | my role on the Auctioneer team |
| 03:39.05 | Jerub | Shirik: oh, right. |
| 03:39.10 | Shirik | http://wiki.norganna.org/Roles/Statistical_Engineer |
| 03:39.13 | Shirik | The only one! |
| 03:41.19 | Thunder_Child | thats because they couldnt handle another |
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| 03:41.40 | Jerub | Shirik: so you're the one repsonsible for 'market' ? |
| 03:41.51 | Shirik | depends |
| 03:41.53 | Shirik | do you like it or not? |
| 03:42.03 | Jerub | Shirik: you made me 10s of thousands of g. |
| 03:42.08 | Shirik | then yes :P |
| 03:42.19 | Shirik | unfortunately, there is a mathematical error in it right now |
| 03:42.34 | Shirik | but it's good enough for me to let it stay in there while I investigate an alternative |
| 03:42.39 | Jerub | Shirik: so, can you tell me how the outlier algorithm works? i want to plant expensive items in other people's dbs. |
| 03:42.39 | Shirik | it's very rare to hit |
| 03:42.45 | Shirik | rofl |
| 03:42.59 | Shirik | Suffice to say, I have specifically engineered it so anything you try to do will likely be countered |
| 03:43.04 | Shirik | it's not only outlier that handles it |
| 03:43.21 | Shirik | even if it gets past outlier, it is likely that the voting mechanism on modules will override your attempts |
| 03:43.25 | Jerub | there's a craftable item (lightning grounded boots) that I'm trying to sell on the AH, and i'd like it to appear as being 30% of regular price. |
| 03:43.52 | Jerub | ;) |
| 03:43.59 | Torhal | So sell it at 30% of regular price. |
| 03:44.17 | Jerub | Torhal: it's never been sold on the AH on my server before according to my auctioneer. |
| 03:44.28 | Jerub | (it's a ulduar LW pattern boot) |
| 03:45.08 | Shirik | there is a default price |
| 03:45.16 | Shirik | but it's probably much lower than what you have it priced at |
| 03:45.22 | Shirik | and it's a horrible algorithm |
| 03:45.27 | Shirik | I was against its inclusion |
| 03:45.41 | Jerub | is that (avg cost of mats) * 110% ? |
| 03:45.46 | Torhal | Is it still three times vendor? |
| 03:46.09 | Shirik | no |
| 03:46.11 | Shirik | it's based on ilvl |
| 03:46.22 | Jerub | oh, that /is/ a horrible algorithm. |
| 03:46.38 | Jerub | I use VendMarkup when i have a green that has no AH data on it. |
| 03:47.04 | Jerub | because the default market price on those items is teensy. |
| 03:48.12 | Kraps | Asian Australian African Gamers |
| 03:48.37 | Jerub | Kraps: yes? |
| 03:48.45 | Kraps | :p |
| 03:49.07 | Kraps | http://www.gamespot.com/pages/unions/home.php?union_id=NJAEG&tag=unions;title;2 |
| 03:49.38 | Shirik | well anyway |
| 03:49.43 | Shirik | I have a few open tasks right now |
| 03:49.56 | Shirik | one of those is distributed analysis |
| 03:50.10 | Shirik | however before I do that, I have to first get this graphing mechanism work |
| 03:50.23 | tem | rofl |
| 03:50.29 | tem | we just tried many whelps |
| 03:50.38 | tem | and like half the raid got kicked offline |
| 03:50.48 | Shirik | owned |
| 03:50.57 | Kraps | HANDLE IT! |
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| 03:53.39 | Thunder_Child | isnt there an addon to remove the images from the sides of the default bar? |
| 03:57.39 | Shirik | do they still exist? |
| 03:57.42 | Shirik | They're not on my screen |
| 03:58.10 | Thunder_Child | i thought they put in an option into the deafult UI to remove them, but i couldnt find it |
| 03:59.37 | Shirik | huh |
| 03:59.45 | Shirik | Visual Assist can move implementations to source file automatically |
| 04:00.00 | Shirik | learn something new with this tool every day :/ |
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| 04:22.26 | cogwheel | bleeter: if you pay for airfare i'll join your protest... assuming the plane isn't delayed due to weather :P |
| 04:26.38 | tem | Can you get Weapon speed by any means other than parsing the tooltip? |
| 04:26.52 | tem | (for a weapon that is not currently equipped) |
| 04:28.26 | Shirik | Does CancelAura require a hardware event? |
| 04:28.44 | Shirik | CancelUnitBuff* |
| 04:31.16 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 04:31.21 | Fisker | happy birthday to the ground |
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| 04:37.14 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:37.21 | Shirik | I tried to scroll down to the bottom on IRC with G |
| 04:37.24 | Shirik | it didn't work too well |
| 04:37.33 | Shirik | wtb vim plugin for IRC |
| 04:38.12 | ZorbaBeta | does anyone know why the PTR installer would immediately quit? I can't seem to get a clean install of the PTR and it's kind of an issue :( |
| 04:38.19 | Jerub | Shirik: /sb end |
| 04:38.31 | Shirik | (00:38:18)  -⺠Unknown command (sb) |
| 04:38.39 | Jerub | Shirik: assuming you use irssi, which is the only sane irc client. |
| 04:38.45 | Shirik | no |
| 04:38.47 | Shirik | irssi is evil |
| 04:38.52 | Jerub | !!! |
| 04:38.57 | Jerub | Shirik: what on earth do you use? |
| 04:39.02 | Shirik | nbs-irc |
| 04:39.10 | Shirik | Fisker's client is worst of all |
| 04:39.25 | Shirik | it epically violates CTCP |
| 04:39.35 | Fisker | rage Shirik |
| 04:39.42 | Arrowmaster | nbs-irc is not a client, you fucking use mIRC |
| 04:39.45 | Jerub | your mother violates CTCP with me every night |
| 04:40.05 | Shirik | it is a client! |
| 04:40.08 | Shirik | That is how powerful it is |
| 04:40.15 | Arrowmaster | its a fucking script for mIRC |
| 04:40.19 | Fisker | l2p Shirik |
| 04:40.53 | Jerub | heheheh mirc. |
| 04:41.17 | Jerub | i used that. |
| 04:41.18 | Jerub | in the 90s |
| 04:41.40 | Fisker | it's not that Jerub |
| 04:41.46 | Fisker | that's why i'm telling Shirik to l2p |
| 04:42.17 | Jerub | you know, my first girlfriend worked out how to download and install mirc so she could tlak to me and my friends. |
| 04:42.22 | Jerub | good times. |
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| 04:43.04 | Shirik | in the words in the infamous Fisker |
| 04:43.07 | Shirik | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUuuu |
| 04:43.55 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 04:44.02 | Fisker | i threw you to the ground |
| 04:45.15 | Shirik | nope |
| 04:45.19 | Shirik | I used guard impact |
| 04:47.47 | Fisker | pills here |
| 04:50.28 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: did you see last weeks SNL? |
| 04:53.27 | Fisker | what you think i'm stupid? |
| 04:55.25 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Did YOU? |
| 04:55.45 | Shirik | you know Jerub |
| 04:55.48 | Shirik | interesting point |
| 04:55.53 | Shirik | I am extremely broke |
| 04:56.02 | Shirik | it is quite depressing to make these tools and always be short on cash |
| 04:56.09 | Shirik | s/cash/gold/ |
| 04:58.00 | Jerub | Shirik: I find myself always broke now too |
| 04:58.06 | Jerub | now that i'm l80 i'm actually spending gold. |
| 04:58.11 | Jerub | while i was levelling i was hording it. |
| 04:58.50 | Thrae | You're 180? I didn't know this was the year 2055 with the 67th expansion of WoW. |
| 04:59.29 | Thrae | 67th Expansion of WoW: "We Ran Out Of Good Ideas A Looong Time Ago, Just Timesink Dammit" |
| 04:59.56 | Arrowmaster | Thrae: use a better font |
| 04:59.56 | Thunder_Child | actually i am curious why they are slowing down the lvl's. does the game break at 100? |
| 05:00.31 | Thrae | (Otherwise known as Wrath Of the Lich King's Brother's Cousin Twice Removed's Roomate's Dog) |
| 05:01.19 | Thrae | Arrowmaster: I'm using irssi. It doesn't send font codes (as that's not in the standards), so I don't know what you're talking about. |
| 05:01.34 | Arrowmaster | use a better terminal font then |
| 05:01.43 | Arrowmaster | that was an L80 not a 180 |
| 05:01.54 | Thrae | Oh, that's what you meant. |
| 05:02.11 | Thrae | I use Courier. And I was joking. |
| 05:04.55 | Shirik | Thrae |
| 05:04.56 | Shirik | you are bad |
| 05:05.23 | Jerub | l1ij0Oo.,'` |
| 05:05.44 | Shirik | Jerub |
| 05:05.49 | Shirik | I think your keyboard just ejaculated |
| 05:05.58 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i think you are bored |
| 05:06.00 | Jerub | Shirik: that was just a font test. |
| 05:06.02 | Shirik | I think I'm tired |
| 05:06.55 | Fisker | infact it was a password |
| 05:07.08 | Fisker | logs into Jerub's wow account and shards all of his items |
| 05:07.50 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 05:08.01 | Shirik | don't you know when you type your password in IRC it shows up as ********? |
| 05:08.07 | Shirik | everyone knows that |
| 05:12.13 | cogwheel | pokes Shirik |
| 05:12.19 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:12.28 | Shirik | cogwheel |
| 05:12.31 | Shirik | you know C++ and you know Lua |
| 05:12.33 | cogwheel | isn't testing that... |
| 05:12.39 | Shirik | you should be helping me with Starfish! |
| 05:12.44 | cogwheel | orly? |
| 05:14.01 | cogwheel | qu'est-ce que c'est? |
| 05:14.45 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 05:14.47 | Fisker | hello |
| 05:14.50 | cogwheel | NO U! |
| 05:15.31 | ZorbaBeta | what's Starfish? |
| 05:15.34 | Fisker | slaps cogwheel around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:15.37 | cogwheel | ^ |
| 05:15.42 | cogwheel | DAM U FISKER |
| 05:16.05 | cogwheel | methinks http://code.google.com/p/starfish/ |
| 05:16.21 | ScytheBlade1 | correct |
| 05:19.04 | Shirik | cogwheel: |
| 05:19.05 | Shirik | er |
| 05:19.07 | Shirik | yeah you got it |
| 05:20.28 | Fisker | slaps cogwheel around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:20.54 | cogwheel | slaps Fisker around with a large fisker |
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| 05:31.44 | ZorbaBeta | WoW has been loading for about five minutes. think I'll actually get in-game? |
| 05:32.11 | ZorbaBeta | . . . odd, I actually did. |
| 05:33.00 | Fisker | durr ZorbaBeta |
| 05:33.23 | ZorbaBeta | usually it autodisconnects me when loading takes a long time, I'm used to having to log in twice because the first one primes the disk cache :P |
| 05:33.57 | Jerub | crap. I siad i'd come to a raid tonight, but i've got a meeting |
| 05:34.11 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: you'll notice a lot of writing, and a distinct lack of code there ;) |
| 05:38.24 | cogwheel | that i did :) |
| 05:39.17 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: There's a reason for that |
| 05:39.28 | Shirik | If there were code there already, I would be scared |
| 05:45.01 | cogwheel | Shirik: funny that |
| 05:45.16 | cogwheel | it's exactly opposite to the trends i've been following recently :P |
| 05:45.17 | Shirik | besides |
| 05:45.21 | cogwheel | (e.g. TDD) |
| 05:45.25 | Shirik | it's not like ScytheBlade1's contributed anything |
| 05:45.41 | Shirik | he converted a PDF to TXT, then told me that maintaining a TXT document was horrible |
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| 05:47.13 | cog|sleep | nn |
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| 05:57.01 | zenzelezz | http://failblog.org/2009/10/06/bracelet-fail/ |
| 05:58.15 | Shirik | wow |
| 06:00.45 | Thunder_Child | i am unamused that 90% of all movies/TV shows are labled drama |
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| 06:06.26 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 06:06.27 | Fisker | fuck yeah |
| 06:07.25 | Shirik | nou |
| 06:07.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: no, I have no issues with a text doc |
| 06:08.02 | Fisker | oh my god |
| 06:08.11 | Fisker | someone posted on A MESSAGE BOARD |
| 06:08.21 | Fisker | saying they had over 9000 penis... oh wrong message board |
| 06:08.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker: end them |
| 06:08.47 | Fisker | but he asked if people had like a delay before reacting to something |
| 06:08.49 | Fisker | i lol'd |
| 06:10.23 | Shirik | http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Shenanigans-Handler.aspx |
| 06:10.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: if you're not careful I'll convert that doc to lua |
| 06:10.33 | Shirik | Fortunately this is not how we work when developing planes |
| 06:10.39 | Shirik | rofl @ luadoc |
| 06:10.53 | Shirik | btw cog|sleep |
| 06:10.59 | ScytheBlade1 | no no |
| 06:11.01 | Shirik | were you implying TDD does no requirements or design? |
| 06:11.09 | Shirik | If so, I am very scared for your future |
| 06:11.09 | ScytheBlade1 | It'd be a lua script that GENERATES a txt doc |
| 06:11.32 | Shirik | Very late nights are in store for you |
| 06:11.56 | Fisker | shenanigans Shirik |
| 06:12.08 | Shirik | anyway I sleep now |
| 06:12.16 | ScytheBlade1 | be careful! |
| 06:12.22 | ScytheBlade1 | txt generated with lua! |
| 06:12.34 | Shirik|zZz | why >< |
| 06:12.54 | ScytheBlade1 | because everything else sucks |
| 06:13.15 | Shirik|zZz | no comment |
| 06:13.16 | Shirik|zZz | sleep time |
| 06:15.04 | Fisker | die Shirik|zZz |
| 06:15.14 | DWSR | ~Fisker++ |
| 06:15.28 | Fisker | fu |
| 06:15.52 | DWSR | You would, wouldn't you? |
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| 06:52.25 | NiLon_ | hmm what does ! do before skill in macro like /cast !foo |
| 06:52.37 | ScytheBlade1 | toggle |
| 06:52.45 | ScytheBlade1 | afk sleep |
| 06:53.37 | Dagmar | Umm... |
| 06:53.39 | Dagmar | Was it changed? |
| 06:53.43 | tem | no |
| 06:53.50 | tem | it prevents it from toggling |
| 06:54.01 | tem | for example, /cast Heroic Strike will toggle the ability |
| 06:54.04 | Dagmar | Okay that's what _I_ thought |
| 06:54.19 | tem | but /cast !Heroic Strike activates ony |
| 06:54.20 | tem | only* |
| 06:54.23 | Dagmar | Things like auto-shoot toggle each time you hit them without it |
| 06:54.28 | Dagmar | ...which isn't so useful in a macro |
| 06:54.54 | Dagmar | Oi. Is there an inverse of that? |
| 06:54.59 | tem | don't think so |
| 06:55.35 | Dagmar | Damn that's what I thought |
| 06:55.35 | Dagmar | I guess the change to misdirect will still be somewhat useful |
| 06:55.35 | tem | change to misdirect? |
| 06:55.35 | Dagmar | I'm a little peeved it's *4* seconds |
| 06:55.41 | Dagmar | Yeah, they're changing Misdirection in 3.3 |
| 06:55.48 | tem | from number of attacks to time |
| 06:55.53 | tem | like tricks of the trade |
| 06:55.58 | tem | but less time |
| 06:55.59 | Dagmar | Instead of it being three shots, to 4 seconds. |
| 06:55.59 | tem | lawl |
| 06:56.04 | Dagmar | ...which um, seems a little mean |
| 06:56.11 | tem | *shrug* |
| 06:56.13 | tem | you'll get over it |
| 06:56.14 | Dagmar | Hunters don't get to shorten their GCD |
| 06:56.29 | tem | it probably doesn't start until the first shot goes off |
| 06:56.29 | DWSR | haste. |
| 06:56.30 | DWSR | kthx. |
| 06:56.33 | tem | so you get 3 GCDs |
| 06:56.46 | tem | er 3 whatevers |
| 06:56.49 | Dagmar | That'll hopefully work better than now |
| 06:56.55 | tem | it'll probably be better than current |
| 06:56.58 | Dagmar | There's a nice little race condition with multi-shot |
| 06:57.26 | tem | because you can squeeze more than 3 shots into 4 seconds |
| 06:57.35 | tem | especially including auto shot |
| 06:57.45 | Dagmar | Auto-shot is pretty much the sole exception |
| 06:57.51 | Dagmar | Everything else seems to slap a GCD |
| 06:58.26 | DWSR | perhaps that's the point? |
| 06:59.17 | DWSR | also |
| 06:59.23 | DWSR | Why do hunters whine so much about GCDs? |
| 06:59.32 | DWSR | They seem to be the only class that whines so goddamn much about it. |
| 06:59.38 | Dagmar | We're the one class whose GCD is fixed. |
| 06:59.44 | Dagmar | This would be why. |
| 06:59.46 | ZorbaBeta | aren't warrior GCDs fixed also? |
| 06:59.52 | Dagmar | Not that I'm aware of. |
| 06:59.53 | DWSR | haste doesn't lower it? |
| 07:00.08 | Dagmar | Haste shortens everyone's GCD to a minimum point |
| 07:00.14 | Dagmar | ...'cept Hunters |
| 07:00.14 | DWSR | right. |
| 07:00.18 | DWSR | lol |
| 07:00.47 | Dagmar | So, rather quickly we wind up being soft-capped to haste because the only long shot we have hits 1.5 _easily_ |
| 07:01.18 | Dagmar | ...and if I'm not mistaken they took out what it was doing to Volley during the invasion |
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| 07:36.11 | Ancu | Hello, is anyone else on? |
| 07:36.57 | Ancu | help |
| 07:37.01 | Ancu | sia |
| 07:37.03 | Ancu | cia |
| 07:37.16 | Ancu | Bots dont respond eh? |
| 07:37.53 | olafski | sup.. |
| 07:38.08 | Ancu | Hello, I thought I was alone |
| 07:38.20 | olafski | 134 people here |
| 07:38.23 | Ancu | I am trying to figure out how to create addons for wow |
| 07:38.37 | olafski | alright, anything specific you would like help with? ;) |
| 07:38.56 | Ancu | It has been so long since I last coded that my brain has gone to mush, and i need a tutorial for absolute beginers |
| 07:39.09 | ZorbaBeta | personally I would recommend grabbing a very simple mod and reading it over carefully |
| 07:39.30 | Ancu | okay, do you have one you recomend? |
| 07:40.20 | olafski | self plug; http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/shortmacros.aspx |
| 07:40.28 | olafski | that one I made, it's really simple.. only adds a few slashcommands |
| 07:40.46 | Ancu | Thank you, I will look it over |
| 07:40.47 | olafski | but it might be better to grab one that does sort of what you want yours to do |
| 07:41.19 | Ancu | Well, thats the thing. I am looking at making an all in one addon. |
| 07:41.38 | Ancu | I hate having to try to keep track of all these different ones |
| 07:42.45 | olafski | hmm.. not sure I would consider that a good idea but it's your time :) |
| 07:42.54 | Ancu | lol |
| 07:43.10 | Ancu | Is there always people here? or is there a dead time |
| 07:43.11 | Dagmar | I think you should reconsider. |
| 07:43.28 | Dagmar | I don't see how the problem of "there's a lot of addons to keep track of" is necessarily solved by... |
| 07:43.37 | Dagmar | "I'm going to write all the code other people are writing, by myself." |
| 07:43.39 | olafski | agreed dagmar :) |
| 07:43.49 | Dagmar | Seems like a very losing proposition from a time-expended standpoint. |
| 07:43.55 | olafski | and if anything you should group similar functionality, but not all functionality into one mod |
| 07:44.08 | olafski | I used to hate ctmod for doing that a bit |
| 07:45.22 | Ancu | I was already rethinking of doing multiple mods, but making them available in a suite package |
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| 07:45.44 | olafski | and making them LOD :) |
| 07:45.59 | olafski | what kind of things were you thinking of replacing? |
| 07:46.21 | olafski | cause "keeping track of" addons can be done automatically using curse client or minion( I think that's what it's called?) |
| 07:46.23 | Ancu | well, the thing that has me realy bugged is addons like armory and altaholic |
| 07:46.59 | Ancu | they dont have a one bag option, and I like the other onebags and how they handle shared inventory |
| 07:47.08 | olafski | ah.. I don't use either :< |
| 07:47.17 | olafski | realize that you're making a LOT of work for yourself here |
| 07:47.22 | Ancu | but I would like to see one that does all that, because I dont want redundency |
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| 07:47.31 | Ancu | I have a habit of doing that |
| 07:47.37 | Ancu | its how I pass time |
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| 07:49.50 | Ancu | As far as curse client goes, I am on dialup, and serving multiple machines in my house. With addons like LightHeaded and QuestHelper, thats alot to download twicne |
| 07:49.57 | Ancu | twice* |
| 07:50.51 | olafski | mkay :) |
| 07:51.37 | olafski | perhaps you can ask the author of your favourite one bag addon to make some kind of hook so that you can pass in a bunch of items and he'll display it using his addon |
| 07:51.48 | olafski | then not so much code will have to be rewritten |
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| 07:52.03 | olafski | and since he's already into that stuff he'll probably code it better than you will |
| 07:52.23 | olafski | then you can ask the authors of armory and altoholic to add an option to display using one bag if that addon is present :) |
| 07:57.02 | Ancu | To my knowledge the addons would work fine running at the same time. But ArkInventory (my current bag addon) keeps track of my items on all my chars, and in the banks, and guild banks. Altaholic and Armory both do this. I dont want redundency, but I want to have the buttons that let me swich chars and stuff in my bag. So I suppose what I want is for armory or altaholic to add a onebag function. But would they actualy listen to me if I ask them? I would think they |
| 07:58.53 | olafski | your message got cut off after "I would think they" |
| 07:59.08 | Ancu | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:59.11 | olafski | but yeah, mod authors put their stuff up for the community, I'm pretty sure they will at least listen to a feature request |
| 07:59.22 | olafski | they might not see the usefulness or not have the time to do it, but you could at least ask |
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| 08:00.25 | olafski | look at for instance the comments on Armory, the mod author simply says "thanks for your comment, please make a ticket on curseforge so I won't forget about this" |
| 08:00.43 | Ancu | whats the repository id? It looks like it points to a folder in the wow root folder, but that cant be right |
| 08:01.18 | olafski | repository id? oO |
| 08:01.48 | olafski | ohh :) don't worry about that, curseforge added that |
| 08:01.55 | Ancu | oh |
| 08:01.57 | Ancu | okay |
| 08:02.02 | olafski | just means which branch on the svn it's using |
| 08:02.20 | Ancu | So the toc simply tells it to load the lua file |
| 08:02.22 | olafski | you can forget about the X-Curse stuff, they add that automatically |
| 08:02.28 | olafski | yep, it can also tell it to load xml files |
| 08:02.51 | olafski | it also tells the game for which version this was made (Interface: 30200), who made it, what the description is etc |
| 08:03.17 | Ancu | I can almost read the lua file, reminds me of what little I remember about c |
| 08:03.24 | Ancu | Functions, lol |
| 08:03.34 | olafski | you may want to check out a couple of tutorials too |
| 08:03.47 | Ancu | What do you recomend? |
| 08:04.30 | olafski | don't remember, I just "learned" by looking at other code |
| 08:04.56 | olafski | http://www.wowwiki.com/Getting_started_with_writing_addons that might be good |
| 08:05.05 | Ancu | I see, that is effective, I remember learning some of my html that way. |
| 08:05.33 | Ancu | gee, should have known, wow wiki has everything |
| 08:05.37 | olafski | there's also a link there to HOWTOs, which has a lot of stuff too |
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| 08:11.37 | Ancu | I hate relearning the basics everytime. If only I could keep it all in my head without useing it constantly |
| 08:13.39 | olafski | :) |
| 08:15.30 | Ancu | I must have learned HTML ten times already, and all I can remember is the tables and the text modifiers |
| 08:18.37 | Ancu | uhhhg, I have work tomarow, I should have gone to sleep an hour ago, night all |
| 08:19.06 | olafski | what else is there to html |
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| 09:18.35 | msoul | Is it pitbull addon that gives you two bars one you can track your health/mana for instance and the other one for a mob for instance? |
| 09:18.46 | msoul | wobin ping |
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| 09:19.46 | msoul | slaps wobin |
| 09:20.36 | Wobin | o.O |
| 09:20.50 | msoul | hehe how you been doing |
| 09:20.59 | msoul | How have you been doing |
| 09:21.01 | Wobin | Well, I've a sudden headache |
| 09:21.12 | Wobin | not sure what brought that about |
| 09:21.20 | msoul | Didn't get enough sleep? |
| 09:21.36 | msoul | Sleep/Stress |
| 09:21.46 | Wobin | maybe the sudden slap to the head |
| 09:21.58 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 09:22.08 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 09:22.45 | msoul | hehe |
| 09:23.13 | msoul | Wobin: I've become an addon addict nowadays, sadly enough i cannot do much when i have a 17¨ screen |
| 09:23.33 | Wobin | that's a tragic monitor size |
| 09:23.41 | msoul | will be installing pitbull later on today... the unit frames for my char and mob is handy me thinks |
| 09:23.51 | msoul | indeed, i play on a iMac |
| 09:24.17 | msoul | cause i know once i buy a PC I'd go crazy after the latest graphic card and what not |
| 09:24.47 | msoul | I'll probably will buy Power Mac with Apple cinema later =) |
| 09:26.04 | msoul | Wobin: Fortexorcist/buttonfacade "caith", DBM, Skada and bartender are the addons i have atm |
| 09:26.36 | Wobin | pah |
| 09:26.39 | Wobin | you're not an addict |
| 09:26.42 | msoul | wanted to remove the char unit frame and add the one i've seen in the video and place it at the bottom |
| 09:26.52 | Wobin | you're a DABBLER |
| 09:27.02 | msoul | let me google what dabbler is sec :P |
| 09:27.20 | msoul | that does hurt |
| 09:28.04 | msoul | Why would you say such thing |
| 09:32.11 | Wobin | cause 5 addons ~= addict =P |
| 09:32.15 | Wobin | Cairenn, http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/funny-pictures-cat-has-relapse.jpg |
| 09:32.55 | Cairenn | lol |
| 09:33.03 | msoul | :/ i wish i have a bigger screen there are loads of addons i'd like to have |
| 09:33.24 | msoul | pitbull is one of them... i'd probably install pb4 instead of 3 |
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| 09:35.59 | msoul | bbl |
| 09:42.02 | Dagmar | pb4 is great |
| 09:42.15 | Dagmar | It's just a lot of work to get it setup like you want it |
| 09:48.24 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsZ-BMKVbSc&feature=player_embedded |
| 09:48.25 | Wobin | omg |
| 09:48.30 | Wobin | utterly fantastic |
| 09:48.40 | Wobin | especially the 'dance instructions' at around 3:20 |
| 09:53.03 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E81lkSorS4&annotation_id=annotation_322676&feature=iv is awesome, cause the original lyrics were so ridiculously fast in the first place =) |
| 09:56.56 | Fisker | WHY IS DANISH MEDIA SO STUPID?! |
| 09:57.03 | Fisker | "ZOMG GOOGLE HACKED" |
| 09:57.07 | Fisker | *clicks* |
| 09:57.20 | Fisker | "Retards were phished and now their login details are online" |
| 09:57.21 | Fisker | ... |
| 09:57.46 | Wobin | .. |
| 10:00.24 | Wobin | oh dear god |
| 10:00.24 | Wobin | http://www.jinx.com/world_of_warcraft/men/shirts/three_worgen_moon.html?catid=79&cs=2&csd=79 |
| 10:05.20 | Wobin | Cairenn, http://www.pigpigscorner.com/2009/09/panda-bread.html |
| 10:05.31 | Cairenn | awww |
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| 10:12.23 | Fisker | slaps Cairenn around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:12.34 | Cairenn | slaps a large trout around a bit with Fisker |
| 10:12.39 | Fisker | i remember you |
| 10:13.10 | Cairenn | unpossible |
| 10:13.26 | Fisker | oh ok :( |
| 10:15.13 | Cairenn | sowwy |
| 10:15.27 | Vlakarados | how can it be, that status bar doesn't work(rage monitoring) when I login, but works when I reload ui? |
| 10:16.07 | Vlakarados | magic?( |
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| 10:22.01 | Fisker | rage |
| 10:22.56 | ZorbaBeta | logon and reload are not actually identical, just close |
| 10:23.10 | ZorbaBeta | I've seen some bugs that only occured in one or the other. it's rather rare, but it happens. |
| 10:24.41 | Vlakarados | well do you know how to fix this? |
| 10:24.45 | Vlakarados | I'll pastey |
| 10:25.28 | Vlakarados | http://www.pastey.net/126193 |
| 10:34.18 | ZorbaBeta | not a clue, sorry :) |
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| 10:52.38 | Wobin | jnwhiteh, Jerub was tossing some around earlier |
| 10:52.45 | Wobin | I just wished they worked outside of the US |
| 10:56.53 | Elkano | hmm? |
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| 11:01.37 | Wobin | jnwhiteh, was asking about Wave invites |
| 11:01.41 | Wobin | (off channel) |
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| 11:06.31 | harl | wuff |
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| 11:22.34 | Fisker | harl |
| 11:22.43 | Fisker | they do Wobin |
| 11:22.47 | Fisker | they work in australia durr |
| 11:23.23 | bluspacecow | yes |
| 11:23.29 | bluspacecow | wobins work in australia |
| 11:23.30 | mikma | cairenn: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/dentist_dog_cat2.jpg |
| 11:23.39 | Cairenn | lol |
| 11:25.02 | bluspacecow | seen on the PTR forums :a name of a guild that should be band == "the name is on the hord side andit call "I beat my wife and kids " i find it very untasteful gm need to look in to it" |
| 11:25.42 | Wobin | hm, I think it's a terrible name for a band |
| 11:26.15 | Wobin | Fisker, bleeter was saying it autoshut down when it detected his email was from Australia =P |
| 11:26.30 | bluspacecow | aka time to take out the trash. |
| 11:26.34 | bluspacecow | brb |
| 11:26.38 | bluspacecow | fisker your mom |
| 11:26.42 | Fisker | bleeter was trollin'! |
| 11:26.48 | bluspacecow | (pre emptive strike) |
| 11:27.27 | Fisker | herro bluspacecow |
| 11:28.09 | bluspacecow | herro .... ok now i gotta take out the trash BRB |
| 11:34.31 | harl | Fisker Fisker Fisker Fisker |
| 11:35.48 | Fisker | harl |
| 11:35.55 | Fisker | i'm not part of your system |
| 11:36.23 | harl | i'm not part of your system |
| 11:37.03 | mikma | i don't care |
| 11:37.12 | Bruners | iCare |
| 11:37.16 | Fisker | i'm part of your system mikma |
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| 11:40.18 | mikma | fisker: no you are not |
| 11:45.49 | bluspacecow | http://www.wowbash.com//image-4695.html |
| 11:52.10 | mikma | http://www.wowbash.com//image-9603.html |
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| 12:01.31 | Grum_ | mikma: lol ;) |
| 12:05.48 | mikma | http://www.wowbash.com//image-9572.html haha, some gm's have humor |
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| 12:27.54 | jnwhiteh | Jerub: Yeah if you have one, I'd love one! |
| 12:28.45 | mikma | jnwhiteh: glider? |
| 12:28.59 | jnwhiteh | Wobin: and thanks, twitter/facebook stalker =) |
| 12:29.42 | Wobin | jnwhiteh, ^^ |
| 12:29.51 | Wobin | jnwhiteh, I wasn't sure which one you responded to |
| 12:30.02 | mikma | whaaa |
| 12:30.02 | Wobin | cause I know people who post to both, but never read one or the other |
| 12:30.11 | mikma | what's going on, eh? |
| 12:30.28 | jnwhiteh | mikma: i was just looking for a googel wave invite |
| 12:31.02 | mikma | gogole wave, sounds kinky. what's that? |
| 12:31.37 | jnwhiteh | use google and find out =) |
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| 12:32.01 | mikma | "watch out loooooong video" :DDD |
| 12:32.27 | mikma | is that a new msn? :) |
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| 13:12.33 | jnwhiteh | Bindings.xml |
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| 13:26.49 | Adys | kd3__: ping |
| 13:27.45 | Fisker | slaps kd3__ around a bit with a large trout |
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| 14:01.10 | Jerub | jnwhiteh: invites i sent on friday last week haven't landed yet |
| 14:01.46 | Lopeppeppy | My grand-boss is apparently made of dumb... he almost got arrested on his trip for driving down the middle of an outdoor market... I work for The Dumb Tourist! |
| 14:02.31 | Jerub | jnwhiteh: but once they do, there'll be 4+ people in this channel with invites :) |
| 14:04.59 | jnwhiteh | Jerub: k k :P |
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| 14:11.47 | Fisker | they didn't send out invites in the weekend as far as i understood |
| 14:12.09 | Fisker | and now they're pretty much still letting people at a pretty slow pace |
| 14:19.29 | Ycarene | Is it possible to intercept keys sent to a textbox? |
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| 14:24.06 | Adys | So I discovered something |
| 14:24.08 | Adys | I knew fall damage was client side |
| 14:24.10 | Adys | what I didn't know was that some experience gains are client side |
| 14:25.01 | industrial | :o |
| 14:25.09 | industrial | like which? |
| 14:25.26 | Adys | zone experience gains |
| 14:26.57 | industrial | scheisse :\ I wanna play now :p |
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| 14:36.26 | p3lim | woah github has been pimped over night |
| 14:36.37 | p3lim | looks sweet |
| 14:36.58 | p3lim | though buggy |
| 14:37.11 | Lopeppeppy | All bugs are buggy |
| 14:39.41 | Ycarene | Anyone know if I can do that? |
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| 14:46.00 | Fisker | meaning what Adys ? |
| 14:46.06 | Fisker | That you can tell the server you discovered a zone? |
| 14:46.31 | Cide | doubtful |
| 14:46.45 | Cide | the discovered zones are stored server side so even if the client does send it to the server, server-side validation is quite likely |
| 14:47.37 | Fisker | then i don't really see how it's "client side" |
| 14:47.37 | nicoli_s | I know some teleporters used to just port from zone to zone to do the first 10 or so levels in a few minutes |
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| 14:51.34 | Adys | [17:45:53] <Fisker> That you can tell the server you discovered a zone? |
| 14:51.34 | Adys | no |
| 14:51.43 | Adys | but you can tell the server how much xp you gained discovering it |
| 14:52.22 | Fisker | lol |
| 14:53.07 | foxlit | Now, did you actually test that you gain the XP you tell the server you're gaining, or did you just find client-side map of zones toXP gains? |
| 14:53.48 | Fisker | wtf |
| 14:53.54 | Fisker | was just invited to voa10 |
| 14:54.05 | Fisker | then a paladin whispers me "Do you need the legplates?" |
| 14:54.08 | Fisker | i'm a rogue ;E |
| 14:54.23 | Adys | [17:52:54] <foxlit> Now, did you actually test that you gain the XP you tell the server you're gaining, or did you just find client-side map of zones toXP gains? |
| 14:54.25 | Adys | Tested |
| 14:54.35 | Adys | I'm not a twattard unlike some foxes |
| 14:54.53 | Fisker | enjoy your ban! |
| 14:54.54 | Fisker | D: |
| 14:55.11 | Adys | I do that on trial accounts |
| 14:55.13 | Fisker | Did you give yourself like 50 billion exp so you level to infinity? |
| 14:55.18 | Adys | I'm not a twattards unlike some paladins |
| 14:56.07 | Fisker | g0urra can't help it Adys |
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| 14:56.47 | Fisker | You should do it on a full account |
| 14:56.52 | Fisker | preferably the one with your mage on it |
| 14:56.55 | Adys | how about no |
| 14:57.13 | Fisker | You'd suspect me for reporting it to a GM and get you banned? |
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| 15:01.33 | Cide- | hi shirik |
| 15:01.44 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik |
| 15:03.44 | Shirik | hi |
| 15:03.55 | Shirik | So I finally got JIRA 3 |
| 15:04.05 | Shirik | like finished getting the license and all a week ago |
| 15:04.11 | Shirik | and then they release JIRA 4 |
| 15:04.25 | Shirik | now I have to go through that mess again I think to upgrade my license >< |
| 15:04.36 | Lopeppeppy | ... oh, ugh. *big hugs* |
| 15:04.53 | Shirik | and I have to convert the stuff that's on JIRA 3 to JIRA 4 |
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| 15:16.08 | haste | Shirik: karma! |
| 15:16.12 | Shirik | :( |
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| 15:17.41 | Kraps | todays penis story http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2009/10/07/2009-10-07_jury_awards_john_henry_howard_9m_verdict_after_erectile_dysfunction_treatment_yi.html |
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| 15:19.29 | cog|sleep | moos |
| 15:19.34 | Shirik | what the hell |
| 15:19.40 | Shirik | I start a download and my CPU goes to 100% |
| 15:19.45 | Shirik | and I'm not using 100% of bandwidth |
| 15:19.55 | Shirik | is that to imply my internet connection is too fast for my CPU? |
| 15:20.01 | cogwheel | pretty progress meter? |
| 15:20.11 | Shirik | It's just Windows Server Resource Monitor |
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| 15:20.19 | Shirik | oh |
| 15:20.22 | Shirik | I dunno :P |
| 15:20.29 | Shirik | I doubt it's "pretty" I don't have any UI features turned on |
| 15:20.30 | cogwheel | itunes does that to me too |
| 15:20.50 | Shirik | oh wait |
| 15:20.52 | Shirik | nm |
| 15:20.58 | Shirik | it says 3% CPU Usage, 100% Maximum Frequency |
| 15:21.13 | cogwheel | lolnub |
| 15:21.28 | Ycarene | maybe it would just be easier to pop up a dialog box asking for the key combo |
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| 15:22.46 | Shirik | why does JIRA, when I request a backup, backup to C:\Windows\System32... |
| 15:23.15 | Shirik | crazy people |
| 15:23.29 | Lopeppeppy | Where? Omg, no! |
| 15:23.33 | Kraps | http://www.jinx.com/world_of_warcraft/men/shirts/three_worgen_moon.html?catid=41&cs=2&csd=41&preview=1 |
| 15:25.29 | Cide- | hey Shirik |
| 15:25.31 | Cide- | self._children[self.__class__.__name__] = self |
| 15:25.36 | Cide- | u liek? |
| 15:25.39 | Shirik | no |
| 15:25.42 | Shirik | it looks like python |
| 15:25.53 | Cide- | it is |
| 15:27.01 | Shirik | it is evil |
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| 15:27.48 | Shirik | BAH |
| 15:27.53 | Shirik | it's not even in C:\Windows\System32 |
| 15:28.01 | Shirik | It took me like 10 minutes to figure out it lied when it said that |
| 15:28.06 | Shirik | it's actually in C:\Windows\SysWOW64 |
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| 15:38.00 | alestane | Blustery stormy rain outside, yum. |
| 15:38.09 | cogwheel | wtb |
| 15:38.11 | Kraps | where? |
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| 15:39.12 | Lopeppeppy | I sent it to Boston from Albany. |
| 15:40.08 | cogwheel | so my wife and sister both have bad colds and we're supposed to be leaving for Didneylann in a couple days... |
| 15:40.39 | cogwheel | i put up a biohazard symbol on my cubicle in case i'm a carrier... |
| 15:43.41 | cog|work | oh and ROFL @ reverse polish saussage |
| 15:44.05 | Lopeppeppy | How far away is Disney from you, Cog? I seem to remember it's an easy trip. |
| 15:44.20 | cog|work | 5 to 8 hours by car depending on driver and traffic |
| 15:44.26 | kdtresh | cog|work: needs more postfixins |
| 15:44.38 | cog|work | but we're flying 'cause my mom-in-law doesn't like long trips |
| 15:44.53 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Um. |
| 15:45.07 | Lopeppeppy | Put her on a plane, cash in your tickets and drive. Plane with heavy cold? OWWWW! |
| 15:45.17 | cog|work | *nod* :| |
| 15:45.29 | kdtresh | 45-min flight vs 8 hour drive? |
| 15:45.45 | Lopeppeppy | Versus the pain, with 3 adults to share the drive? |
| 15:45.50 | Lopeppeppy | I'd do the drive, myself. |
| 15:45.59 | Lopeppeppy | Have more cash for the park. |
| 15:46.09 | cog|work | i'd rather drive too, but my mom-in-law is paying the whole way |
| 15:46.26 | kdtresh | we used to fly to d-land, but we drove this year, because we didn't want to fly with a toddler |
| 15:46.32 | cog|work | hard to argue with "free-ish" |
| 15:46.40 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Well, there are some vicks shower bombs that are awesome groovy for clearing out the nose. |
| 15:46.54 | kdtresh | those shower bombs are good stuff |
| 15:47.01 | cog|work | thanks for the tip :) |
| 15:47.25 | cog|work | mrs cog has the worst. sinuses. evar. |
| 15:47.33 | kdtresh | dave's insanity hot sauce will clear you out too :P |
| 15:47.46 | Lopeppeppy | They also have an excellent nightlight contraption that I use when my alleriges get heavy, and I use a menthol shower spray by some naturpathic place or another. |
| 15:48.00 | cog|work | she has to do twice-daily nasal rinses with prescribed steroids, plus a steroid spray, plus decongestants. And that's when she's not sick |
| 15:49.32 | kdtresh | ugh, steroids are no fun |
| 15:50.16 | alestane | And now the sun is shining bright outside. Ten minutes ago I was googling ark plans. |
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| 15:51.07 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh, cogwheel! More spicy foods, and http://www.amazon.com/s.html/ref=bl_sr_hpc?ie=UTF8&node=3760931&brand=Sudacare |
| 15:51.17 | cog|work | kdtresh: luckily they're topical rather than oral. Compared to the chronic pain she used to suffer, it's definitely a small price to pay |
| 15:52.01 | kdtresh | cog|work: what kind? i'll probably be getting solumedrol infusions followed by a prednisone taper in the next week or two >< |
| 15:52.42 | Shirik | holy shit |
| 15:52.46 | Lopeppeppy | And something like this. http://www.amazon.com/Jane-Inc-Shower-Mist-Eucalyptus/dp/B001RUH0SC/ |
| 15:52.46 | Shirik | JIRA 4 is not a web application |
| 15:52.51 | Shirik | it's an operating system |
| 15:52.53 | Lopeppeppy | They're not exactly what I use, but they're the same concepts. |
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| 15:53.03 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe you don't need JIRA 4 then. |
| 15:53.14 | cog|work | Pulmicort (which is normally used with a nebulizer, but her Dr. told her to add it to her sinus rinse), and Nasacort |
| 15:54.06 | Shirik | no |
| 15:54.08 | Shirik | it's awesome |
| 15:54.29 | kdtresh | the one time i tried nasal steroids, i ended up with a bloody nose and quit, lol |
| 15:54.29 | Shirik | it's just like, it's so well done that it doesn't even feel like a web-based application |
| 15:54.41 | Shirik | it feels like a real app |
| 15:54.44 | Shirik | running in an OS |
| 15:57.15 | Adys | [18:52:33] <@Shirik> JIRA 4 is not a web application |
| 15:57.15 | Adys | [18:52:37] <@Shirik> it's an operating system |
| 15:57.19 | Adys | thats.. not good is it |
| 15:57.49 | Shirik | well ok look |
| 15:57.57 | Shirik | JIRA has always run with these things called "portlets" |
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| 15:58.04 | Shirik | you can add portlets to show information on your front page |
| 15:58.15 | Shirik | and you could always move them around by clicking little buttons and they move etc. |
| 15:58.28 | Shirik | So in JIRA 4 I spent 5 minutes trying to figure out how I enter "configure" mode to reorganize them |
| 15:58.28 | Adys | shirik |
| 15:58.35 | Shirik | and then I realized |
| 15:58.37 | Shirik | you just drag them |
| 15:58.46 | Shirik | just like they were windows |
| 15:58.49 | Adys | Shirik |
| 15:58.54 | Shirik | Adys |
| 15:58.56 | Adys | I'm looking for a rl pic of kd3 |
| 15:59.01 | Adys | because |
| 15:59.02 | Shirik | too bad |
| 15:59.03 | Shirik | you like python |
| 15:59.04 | Adys | Ive seen him at blizzcon |
| 15:59.17 | Shirik | I actually probably do have a pic of him |
| 15:59.22 | Adys | and for ages Ive been wondering "where have i seen him before?" |
| 15:59.24 | Adys | and now i realized |
| 15:59.25 | Adys | http://mollermarketing.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/matt-cutts.jpg |
| 15:59.42 | mikma | ewwww, take it awayyyyyy |
| 15:59.42 | Shirik | that's not him :/ |
| 15:59.44 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 15:59.49 | Adys | yes it is |
| 15:59.49 | Adys | i mean |
| 15:59.57 | nicoli_s | im with ya there shirik, the new jira is pretty sweet |
| 16:00.08 | Shirik | nicoli_s: Are you using it? Have you had any problem? |
| 16:00.10 | Shirik | I'm having a problem |
| 16:00.27 | nicoli_s | i dont deal with any of the configuration or anything, just viewing tasks |
| 16:00.36 | Shirik | On my "Projects" panel I'm getting an error |
| 16:00.56 | Shirik | An internal server error occurred when requesting resource http://192.168.1.50:4481/rest/gadget/1.0/project/generate?projectsOrCategories=allprojects&showStats=true. |
| 16:01.01 | Shirik | where that IP/port is my test server instance |
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| 16:02.34 | kd3__ | no, that's not me |
| 16:02.51 | kd3__ | http://sixen.org/qa/qaposters.jpg |
| 16:02.59 | kd3__ | that's from blizzcon '08 |
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| 16:04.56 | Adys | kd3__: wtf |
| 16:04.58 | Adys | thats totally you |
| 16:05.00 | Adys | remove the glasses |
| 16:05.25 | Adys | and |
| 16:05.28 | Adys | try to smile once in a while. |
| 16:05.32 | Adys | and its totally you :P |
| 16:05.41 | Lopeppeppy | I see Cairenn's behind! |
| 16:06.49 | Fisker | anyone know if an authenticator can be attached to trial accounts? |
| 16:06.55 | Lopeppeppy | I would tend to say no. |
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| 16:07.11 | Lopeppeppy | but who knows, it's a wide world of possibility |
| 16:07.33 | Adys | you cant access trial account management until you upgrade them |
| 16:07.34 | Adys | so no |
| 16:08.01 | Fisker | :( |
| 16:08.08 | Adys | http://mollermarketing.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/matt-cutts.jpg http://sixen.org/qa/qaposters.jpg |
| 16:08.11 | Adys | someone please back me up |
| 16:08.13 | Adys | thats kd3 |
| 16:08.56 | Fisker | hoho |
| 16:09.11 | nevcairiel | nah, he doesnt look like he could smile like that |
| 16:10.22 | Cide- | that's totally kd3... NOT |
| 16:10.32 | alestane | Can I declare a struct member to be a function pointer directly, or do I have to enter a typedef first? |
| 16:10.49 | cog|work | i'm with Cide- |
| 16:10.59 | Adys | you guys are complete jerks |
| 16:11.02 | Adys | either you're blind |
| 16:11.06 | Adys | or you're doing this to fuck with me |
| 16:11.11 | Cide- | or neither |
| 16:11.16 | Cide- | you just fail |
| 16:11.18 | Adys | no you're just blind |
| 16:11.31 | Adys | since blizzcon I've been sitting "Where have I seen his face before" |
| 16:11.44 | cog|work | Adys: this one's much better imo... |
| 16:11.46 | cog|work | http://blizzcon.norganna.org/main.php/v/blizzcon2007/Face/2007-08-04+at+21-42-31.jpg.html |
| 16:11.49 | cog|work | ^ guillotine |
| 16:11.58 | cog|work | http://images.google.com/images?rlz=1C1GGLS_enUS345US345&sourceid=chrome&q=dr%20sweets&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi |
| 16:12.03 | cog|work | ^ dr. Sweets from Bones |
| 16:12.17 | Cide- | rofl |
| 16:12.18 | Cide- | YES |
| 16:12.21 | Adys | kinda |
| 16:12.22 | Adys | but |
| 16:12.25 | Adys | kd3.. no |
| 16:12.28 | Adys | sorry |
| 16:12.30 | Adys | its the same guy |
| 16:12.30 | Cide- | now that you say it |
| 16:12.38 | Cide- | guillotine is totally dr sweets |
| 16:12.45 | Lopeppeppy | He makes a good Dr. Sweets. |
| 16:12.45 | Adys | kd3__: I dont know if you remember this guy from the BBC behind us |
| 16:13.05 | Adys | kd3__: but him as well I was thinking "Where have I seen him before?", i dunno if it was you i told or kirk |
| 16:13.11 | Adys | http://www.freewebs.com/monksite/Randy.jpg |
| 16:13.16 | Adys | randy disher |
| 16:13.18 | Adys | no other way |
| 16:16.06 | Lunessa | Heh.. Guilly as Dr. Sweets would be pretty funny. I have trouble imagining Guilly in a tie. |
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| 16:19.25 | Fisker | Adys you wouldn't happen to know the url for the authenticator? |
| 16:20.40 | Lopeppeppy | To add one? Go to account management on the Bliz site, Fisker |
| 16:21.52 | Fisker | i know |
| 16:22.01 | Fisker | but i want to check if i can just access the url from the trial account |
| 16:22.11 | zenzelezz | unwritten laws of computers, §3: The room necessary to perform surgery on a computer is always 1.25 times that available |
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| 16:25.12 | cog|work | argh... i've had http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfBwsG8ubFw stuck in my head for a full week now :'( |
| 16:26.58 | kd3__ | the funny thing is; I get told 'why do you look like someone I've seen before' a lot in real life |
| 16:26.59 | kd3__ | >.> |
| 16:27.08 | Cide- | may I suggest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgiXGELjbc for you instead cog|work |
| 16:27.49 | NightHawkTheSane | so.. I'm having to abbreviate a number of city/state combinations.. and i end up with "slc_ut" for salt lake city... >.> |
| 16:28.24 | Cide- | be glad the "city" is there |
| 16:28.29 | cog|work | Cide-: posted that to my facebook last week :) |
| 16:28.51 | Cide- | it's amazing (and probably permanently stuck in my head :/) |
| 16:29.10 | Shirik | nicoli_s: I figured it out |
| 16:29.10 | cog|work | I did a good impression of Carl Sagan doing the Star Trek intro once... it was quite amusing |
| 16:29.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide-: i rather am, seeing as this is for something that (hopefully) a lot of people will see |
| 16:29.20 | Shirik | I hadn't yet set up our user authentication (we use Atlassian Crowd for SSO) |
| 16:29.25 | Shirik | so it was going all "wtf are all these groups" |
| 16:31.23 | Shirik | now that it knows, it is much happier :) |
| 16:31.57 | cog|work | Cide-: at least it's better than the 30 Rock muffin top song >< |
| 16:32.14 | cog|work | that's been my wife's bane recently |
| 16:32.23 | Cide- | haha |
| 16:32.30 | Cide- | probably |
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| 16:35.11 | Lunessa | http://roflrazzi.com/upcoming/?pid=24399 |
| 16:35.16 | riveth | alestane: typedef is always optional |
| 16:36.00 | alestane | I think my problem turned out to be that I was trying to use C++ syntax in a C file. |
| 16:36.39 | alestane | Says it all really: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/10/06/funny-pictures-oops-2/ |
| 16:37.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: >.> whatever show that is, i dont watch it, but i agree with the pic... |
| 16:38.09 | Lunessa | NHTS - The show is NCIS - and it's not a very good showw, but she's totally worth watching. |
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| 16:39.17 | Cide- | yep, she's the best character |
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| 16:45.52 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphry%27s_law |
| 16:47.00 | jnwhiteh | Lunessa: i watch the show because of her. |
| 16:47.29 | zenzelezz | most people don't watch the show at all, only her |
| 16:47.47 | Lunessa | That show made her career. Before that she was only landing bit parts on TV shows - like one episode of CSI. |
| 16:47.49 | cog|work | i don't even know who she is or what show she's on |
| 16:47.50 | cog|work | <.< |
| 16:47.52 | cog|work | >.> |
| 16:48.12 | jnwhiteh | NCIS |
| 16:48.14 | jnwhiteh | and she's awseoms |
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| 16:52.59 | Fisker | hey jnwhiteh |
| 16:53.06 | jnwhiteh | i'm sorry |
| 16:53.09 | jnwhiteh | i dont understand what you're saying |
| 16:53.15 | jnwhiteh | maybe if you hit me with a trout that woudl help. |
| 16:53.22 | Fisker | throws jnwhiteh on the ground |
| 16:53.39 | jnwhiteh | "and has his way with me... please.." |
| 16:53.51 | cog|work | slaps Fisker's mom around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:54.56 | Fisker | no jnwhiteh |
| 16:55.01 | Fisker | i was actually expecting you would die |
| 16:55.09 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 16:55.12 | jnwhiteh | not today! |
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| 16:59.09 | Fisker | hmm |
| 16:59.16 | Fisker | Why isn't my secondary hard drive being detected? |
| 16:59.16 | Fisker | Unfortunately, the beta opt-in application will not detect a secondary hard drive. |
| 16:59.32 | Fisker | i wonder if i'll be excluded for having a 80GB system drive and A BILLION TB of storage? |
| 17:00.43 | nevcairiel | why would they care about your hdd size |
| 17:00.45 | Lunessa | Dr. Evil do you really expect them to pay? |
| 17:01.09 | Fisker | nevcairiel "lol the beta requires 10GB of space to install, this guy only have 5GB of space so lol we auto exclude you lolol" |
| 17:01.14 | Fisker | etc. |
| 17:01.39 | Fisker | doesn't look like it works anyways |
| 17:01.43 | Fisker | QQ |
| 17:02.24 | Fisker | lolwut fail |
| 17:02.41 | Fisker | haha |
| 17:02.46 | Fisker | HARD DISK SIZE (GB):1,863.021 |
| 17:02.46 | Fisker | :P |
| 17:02.59 | Fisker | it didn't detect my ssd because i put in port 2(or 1 whatever floats your boat) |
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| 17:09.43 | TopTop18 | Okay I got a few questions about basic table usage in addons |
| 17:11.29 | TopTop18 | If I'm right table["key"] will return the value set for key, which is comparable to other values, am I right? |
| 17:11.44 | jnwhiteh | i'm not sure i understand the last part |
| 17:11.57 | jnwhiteh | but yes, table[key] (note key does not have to be a string) will return the value set for a given key, or nil. |
| 17:12.21 | TopTop18 | So I can do if table[key] == 30 then |
| 17:12.27 | NightHawkTheSane | yes |
| 17:12.29 | TopTop18 | TRhat's what io mean with comparable :D |
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| 17:12.48 | jnwhiteh | well you can compare any two values, so that goes without saying |
| 17:12.49 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 17:12.50 | NightHawkTheSane | in many respects you can consider it to be like an array or hash table |
| 17:12.54 | jnwhiteh | hence my confusion |
| 17:12.55 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 17:13.17 | cog|work | yeah, i think you were making it more complicated in your mind than it really is ;) |
| 17:13.32 | jnwhiteh | tbl[key] returns the value associated with that key. full stop. |
| 17:13.56 | jnwhiteh | since anyt wo values in lua are comparable, you can do what you want to do :P |
| 17:14.38 | TopTop18 | Okay, is it possible to index a table with a variable key, so I have variable foo set to "name" can I index the table for "name", if I didn;t knew what foo was set to? |
| 17:15.04 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 17:15.29 | jnwhiteh | lua> tbl = {["name"] = "blah"]; foo = "name"; print(tbl[foo])) |
| 17:15.29 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: luabot:1: '}' expected near ']' |
| 17:15.36 | jnwhiteh | lua> tbl = {["name"] = "blah"}; foo = "name"; print(tbl[foo])) |
| 17:15.36 | lua_bot | jnwhiteh: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near ')' |
| 17:15.39 | jnwhiteh | oh fuck you |
| 17:15.42 | jnwhiteh | you get the point =) |
| 17:15.54 | TopTop18 | yes thanks :D |
| 17:16.05 | TopTop18 | This will get me somewhat further :D |
| 17:16.15 | TopTop18 | Figuring out how to make the core for my dkp addon :D |
| 17:16.26 | TopTop18 | Will come back with more questions soon |
| 17:16.29 | cog|work | still making it more complicated than it is imo... values are values whether they come from a variable (foo) or a literal ("name"). the [ ] takes whatever value you give it and finds the appropriate table entry |
| 17:17.11 | TopTop18 | 'Kay bthanks :D |
| 17:17.17 | kdtresh | if you create a table value for the variable foo, not in quotes, it creates the key based on the value of foo, right? |
| 17:17.52 | cog|work | see my last message :P it works the same whether you're setting the value or getting the value |
| 17:18.04 | jnwhiteh | foo is just a binding from a name to a value |
| 17:18.16 | jnwhiteh | that's all you need to remember |
| 17:18.17 | kdtresh | if foo = "bar" then table[foo] = "yes" would actually create table["bar"]? |
| 17:18.45 | NightHawkTheSane | given foo = "bar", then t[foo] == t["bar"] |
| 17:19.14 | NightHawkTheSane | because as jnwhiteh noted, foo is simply binding the literal "bar" to the name 'foo' |
| 17:19.21 | NightHawkTheSane | (well, more or less) |
| 17:19.26 | cog|work | kdtresh: if table["bar"] creates the entry then what i said above answers your question :P |
| 17:19.33 | Shirik | Cide- |
| 17:19.36 | Shirik | give up your python |
| 17:19.45 | Cide- | why? |
| 17:19.47 | cog|work | "bar" is just a value. foo is just a variable that resolves to a value |
| 17:21.19 | NightHawkTheSane | why is an update to cscope considered an "Important security update"? |
| 17:21.41 | alestane | Shirik: If I declare an initizalizer for a static data member in C++, and the expression being evaluated to initialize it throws an exception, is it possible to catch that exception? |
| 17:21.52 | Shirik | nope |
| 17:22.09 | Shirik | the constructor will be cancelled propogate the exception |
| 17:22.16 | Shirik | and propogate... |
| 17:22.25 | Shirik | the only way you can catch the exception would be if it were in the constructor body |
| 17:22.26 | alestane | Because I think that code is executed before main is even called. |
| 17:22.30 | Shirik | oh |
| 17:22.32 | Shirik | static initializer |
| 17:22.33 | Shirik | sorry |
| 17:22.37 | Shirik | wrong initializer :) |
| 17:22.39 | Fisker | i won't be part of your system Shirik |
| 17:22.44 | Shirik | but same problem, yes, you can't catch it |
| 17:22.48 | Shirik | but |
| 17:22.51 | Shirik | there's a little workaround |
| 17:22.57 | Shirik | what I tend to do is something like |
| 17:23.08 | Shirik | static int a = foo(); |
| 17:23.17 | Shirik | and then foo can have a try...catch in it |
| 17:23.28 | Shirik | and it will return the value in an appropriate situation |
| 17:23.29 | Shirik | make sense? |
| 17:23.36 | alestane | Mostly. |
| 17:23.41 | Shirik | But you have to be very careful about doing this |
| 17:23.53 | Shirik | because exactly when foo() is called is very difficult to determine and in some cases undefined |
| 17:24.00 | Shirik | so basically you can't rely on the state of anything |
| 17:24.18 | cog|work | use a singleton imo ;) |
| 17:24.21 | alestane | The error in question would be basically unrecoverable anyway, so one way or another I'm bailing. It's just a question of when and how nicely. |
| 17:24.38 | Shirik | but yeah if you want to catch it, just instead of initializing it directly, make a wrapper function |
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| 17:29.00 | TopTop18 | lua> tbl = {}; foo = "bar"; table.insert(tbl, foo); foo = "other"; print(tbl[foo]) |
| 17:29.01 | lua_bot | TopTop18: nil |
| 17:29.29 | TopTop18 | Great I think :D |
| 17:29.30 | cog|work | TopTop18: table.insert is for integer indexes |
| 17:30.04 | cog|work | lua> tbl = {}; foo = "bar"; table.insert(tbl, foo); print(tbl[1]) |
| 17:30.05 | lua_bot | cog|work: bar |
| 17:30.06 | TopTop18 | Oh wee xD Thanks |
| 17:30.23 | alestane | That code will set tbl[1] == "bar" |
| 17:30.30 | TopTop18 | Ye got it |
| 17:30.58 | Cide- | also, if you had to test what you think it did, www.lua.org/pil |
| 17:31.37 | TopTop18 | lua> tbl = {}; foo = "bar"; tbl[foo] = "test"; foo = "other"; print(tbl[foo]) |
| 17:31.37 | lua_bot | TopTop18: nil |
| 17:31.45 | alestane | lua> tbl = {}; foo = "bar"; tbl[foo] = 1; print(tbl["bar"]) |
| 17:31.46 | lua_bot | alestane: 1 |
| 17:32.38 | cog|work | thinks there's a misconception somewhere around here... |
| 17:33.43 | TopTop18 | Okay If I get it right my code just set tbl[foo] to "test", but foo was "bar"so the key got set to "bar" so when foo is changed the key will stay "bar", right? |
| 17:34.02 | cog|work | foo has nothing to do with the table |
| 17:34.22 | cog|work | foo simply represents the value bar when you're doing tbl[foo] |
| 17:34.39 | cog|work | s/bar/"bar"/ |
| 17:34.54 | cog|work | the value of foo at the time you do tbl[foo] is all that counts |
| 17:35.06 | TopTop18 | Okay, thanks :D |
| 17:35.18 | TopTop18 | Got it right then :D |
| 17:36.18 | cog|work | you got the effect right, i'm just worried there's something not quite right in your understanding of the cause :P |
| 17:36.51 | cog|work | s/'s/ was/ |
| 17:39.50 | cog|work | I'm big on concepts... once you have the concepts correct, you'll automatically have answers to many other questions |
| 17:40.35 | TopTop18 | Figuring out how to make my idea for how I think it can work reality :D |
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| 17:47.35 | alestane | is getting fed up with the Core Foundation's model of allocating and initializing objects as an atomic process. |
| 17:49.26 | TopTop18 | lol |
| 17:52.25 | alestane | Gods, does Objective-C support exception handling? |
| 17:52.38 | nevcairiel | probably does |
| 17:52.45 | Shirik | tar: /etc/atlassian/bamboo/bamboo_2_3_1-backup.tar.gz: file changed as we read it |
| 17:52.47 | Shirik | :/ |
| 17:52.48 | nevcairiel | i don't think you could write a whole OS in it without |
| 17:52.51 | Shirik | stupid tar |
| 17:52.56 | Shirik | it was trying to back itself up to itself |
| 17:53.07 | Shirik | is that a warning or error? |
| 17:53.09 | alestane | The OS is not written in Objective-C. |
| 17:53.13 | Shirik | i.e., did it get everything else? |
| 17:53.24 | nevcairiel | well big parts of the UI are :P |
| 17:53.44 | Kaso | Shirik tar -t and see? |
| 17:53.51 | Shirik | well it's so big |
| 17:53.55 | Shirik | I could easily miss something |
| 17:54.05 | alestane | The Finder and many other applications are written in it. But Cocoa is something *provided* by OS X. |
| 17:54.10 | nevcairiel | well don't safe a tarball in the same dir that you're compressing then! |
| 17:54.15 | Shirik | :( |
| 17:54.37 | Shirik | wtb shadow volume copy snapshot |
| 17:54.56 | nevcairiel | alestane: http://devworld.apple.com/mac/library/documentation/Cocoa/Conceptual/ObjectiveC/Articles/ocExceptionHandling.html :P |
| 17:55.25 | Shirik | nevcairiel: C doesn't have exception handling |
| 17:55.38 | Shirik | and C was created originally for making OSes |
| 17:56.10 | nevcairiel | i was more talking about the UIish part of MacOS |
| 17:56.19 | alestane | Oh gods, only they follow the same damned model where they want to pass result codes out as return values all the time. |
| 17:56.43 | alestane | Because "exceptions are resource-intensive in Objective-C." |
| 17:56.59 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 17:57.07 | nevcairiel | Throwing exceptions is so much easier |
| 17:57.14 | nevcairiel | i love that in java |
| 17:57.29 | nevcairiel | can actually use the return value as a result :P |
| 17:57.34 | nevcairiel | not just an erro code |
| 17:57.45 | Shirik | there's a lot of people that feel exceptions are dangerous |
| 17:58.24 | nevcairiel | well i usually only use them if i want to present an error to the user anyway |
| 17:58.34 | nevcairiel | not just for fault detection that can be recovered by the app itself |
| 17:58.38 | alestane | Mac OS has always operated on this model where if you want to create a new object, you pass an unassigned pointer by reference to the function. If the function returns 0, the pointer has been filled in with the address of the new object. |
| 17:59.04 | alestane | If the function returns something else, that's the error description. |
| 17:59.36 | alestane | And even their object-oriented frameworks are built around this structure. |
| 18:00.58 | ScytheBlade1 | win @ http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/ |
| 18:01.11 | alestane | Trying to write a good C++ program in Carbon is swimming against the current of the API all the way. |
| 18:03.34 | alestane | And the fact that they insist on allocating all new objects and data structures themselves to keep them opaque means that if you want to try and write a wrapper class, you have to create it as "new (boundRect, style, controls) Window()" |
| 18:04.19 | alestane | Or make the class a wrapper for the opaque reference, rather than the base object. |
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| 18:12.11 | zenzelezz | mumbles suspiciously as he discovers his new motherboard uses Amibios |
| 18:12.11 | alestane | Which is really what I should be doing. |
| 18:12.22 | zenzelezz | now Amibios might be fine, I've just never had a non-Award BIOS |
| 18:12.32 | Fisker | zenzelezz |
| 18:12.35 | Fisker | i want my damn invite |
| 18:12.49 | Thunder_Child | i'm sure it will winn an award some day zenzelezz |
| 18:12.51 | Thunder_Child | win* |
| 18:12.52 | zenzelezz | you don't need an invite Fisker, you're always welcome |
| 18:13.03 | zenzelezz | pokes Cairenn|afk repeatedly |
| 18:13.12 | zenzelezz | TC made a pun! A funny one even |
| 18:13.34 | Thunder_Child | hardly a pun |
| 18:14.16 | zenzelezz | plays on names are still puns to me, though technically you may be right |
| 18:15.06 | Lunessa | Tutti-furtti! Oh Rudi! |
| 18:15.22 | Thunder_Child | and i'm all about technical! |
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| 18:16.22 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: AMI bios was pretty crappy in the mid-90s but they've come a long way since then. |
| 18:16.46 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: yeah, I've not heard any bad things about them for a long time |
| 18:17.42 | Lunessa | Yeah, bios manufacturers are differentiating mostly on settings UI instead of core features now. |
| 18:18.37 | alestane | Shirik: Do you think those people are justified at all? |
| 18:18.43 | Shirik | ? |
| 18:18.48 | Shirik | at what |
| 18:18.51 | zenzelezz | http://roflrazzi.com/2009/08/05/celebrity-pictures-david-hasselhoff-just-realized/ -- this amuses me |
| 18:18.54 | NightHawkTheSane | sighs |
| 18:19.00 | alestane | [1:58pm] Shirik: there's a lot of people that feel exceptions are dangerous |
| 18:19.12 | Shirik | It's something I constantly find myself going back and forth on |
| 18:19.29 | Shirik | exceptions are very powerful and can convey a lot of data which is useful for recovery or debugging |
| 18:19.32 | zenzelezz | exceptions in which context? C++? Windows? |
| 18:19.41 | NightHawkTheSane | oy. coworker does't get how to use mysql cli utilities, so he wrote an entire utility to import parse & import 80k records into the production database. |
| 18:19.51 | NightHawkTheSane | wts fucking mysqldump and mysql < somefile.sql |
| 18:19.52 | Shirik | However, at the same time, using return codes allows very easy code review |
| 18:20.07 | Shirik | and being able to easily determine if an error condition is properly handled |
| 18:20.14 | zenzelezz | return codes are for regular messages |
| 18:20.15 | Shirik | exceptions are somewhat hidden |
| 18:20.19 | zenzelezz | exceptions are for exceptional erroras |
| 18:20.21 | zenzelezz | -a |
| 18:20.39 | Cide- | exceptions are for exceptional behavior |
| 18:21.07 | nevcairiel | well if you have to declare a function as actually throwing a certain type of exception, you can check if its handled |
| 18:21.15 | Shirik | right |
| 18:21.23 | Shirik | but I don't know of a single C++ compiler that handles that properly |
| 18:21.24 | zenzelezz | Cide-'s sentence is better than mine |
| 18:21.33 | Shirik | Cide-'s sentence is very commonly stated :) |
| 18:21.39 | nevcairiel | Shirik: dunno about c++, i was more thinking of java :) |
| 18:21.42 | Cide- | of course, I typed it |
| 18:21.43 | NightHawkTheSane | clearly, because cide is better than you, zenzelezz |
| 18:21.56 | Cide- | Shirik: it's true, though |
| 18:21.56 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: yes, but that doesn't change the fact that my sentence was poor |
| 18:21.58 | Shirik | C++ does allow for "exception specifications" |
| 18:22.02 | Shirik | but I think every compiler ignores them |
| 18:22.05 | nevcairiel | java requires it =p |
| 18:22.11 | Shirik | and to be honest, I don't blame them. It's done very poorly. |
| 18:22.20 | Cide- | if it's regular behavior, an exception shouldn't be thrown |
| 18:22.32 | Shirik | C++'s exception specifications causes a required reduction in performance |
| 18:22.34 | Cide- | and the other way around |
| 18:22.38 | Shirik | Java lets you throw exceptions that aren't declared |
| 18:22.45 | Shirik | not as compiled, but at runtime |
| 18:24.03 | Shirik | MSVC++ has a fun compiler warning |
| 18:24.15 | Shirik | which basically says "We ignore exception specifications. Use our non-standard stuff instead." |
| 18:24.57 | cog|work | http://www.gotw.ca/publications/mill22.htm |
| 18:25.00 | nevcairiel | gcc would even tell you a warning like "the syntax you used is a gcc extension", and not recommend doing it :P |
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| 18:29.01 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 18:29.07 | Fisker | i've been sleeping with your sister for a year |
| 18:29.07 | Fisker | :o |
| 18:29.28 | cog|work | Fisker: you sure chat a lot in your sleep |
| 18:29.59 | Fisker | i'm sleeping? |
| 18:30.09 | cog|work | 11:29 < Fisker> i've been sleeping with your sister for a year |
| 18:30.21 | Lopeppeppy | you said you'd been asleep for a year. |
| 18:30.21 | Fisker | :D! |
| 18:30.22 | Fisker | yeah |
| 18:30.23 | Fisker | i just woke up |
| 18:30.40 | cog|work | You're a SomnIRCist |
| 18:31.18 | Fisker | i'm not gonna be part of your system |
| 18:31.28 | Shirik | cog|work: Interestingly, semi-against that article |
| 18:31.30 | TopTop18 | Huh GetNumGuildMembers is 0 when I use it in my addon, but when I call it with/script it returns a correct value :S |
| 18:31.40 | Shirik | the exception specification throw() does in fact improve performance in MSVC++ |
| 18:31.53 | Shirik | but that's because they turn it into __declspec(nothrow) |
| 18:31.55 | cog|work | Shirik: i'm neither for nor against... just happened to be reading it yesterday and saw the topic come up again ;) |
| 18:32.13 | Shirik | the compiler takes it as a guarantee that nothing will be thrown, and if you happen to actually thow an exception, you go into undefined behavior |
| 18:32.19 | Kaso | on the blizzard calender, howcome you can mass invite "Events" but not "Guild Events" |
| 18:32.19 | Shirik | but that's against the standard :P |
| 18:32.50 | Fisker | Kaso because everyone can signup on guild events |
| 18:32.50 | ScytheBlade1 | TopTop18: you are likely calling it without the guild data being available |
| 18:33.18 | TopTop18 | Hmm my guildrank was called before it, doesn;t that mean the guilddata is availoable? |
| 18:33.44 | ScytheBlade1 | offhand I am not sure |
| 18:33.55 | Kaso | oh i see how it works |
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| 18:34.15 | TopTop18 | Well if you;re right, somneone knows after what event GetNumGuildMembers() is available? Or know how I could find it out? |
| 18:34.49 | TopTop18 | Currently the code is ran after PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE |
| 18:35.11 | Fisker | you saw what i did there Kaso ? |
| 18:35.25 | jnwhiteh | TopTop18: http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GuildRoster |
| 18:35.43 | Shirik | Fisker: My long lost sister! |
| 18:37.26 | Thunder_Child | Fisker, i hate to say this but Shirik doesnt have a sister, it was just him in drag |
| 18:38.16 | batrick | haha |
| 18:38.32 | batrick | damn and i thought his sister was hot : / |
| 18:39.11 | TopTop18 | Thanks jnwhiteh! |
| 18:42.48 | Fisker | that's ok Thunder_Child |
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| 18:45.25 | TopTop18 | Umm after GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE has fired GetNumGuildMembers() is still 0 :S |
| 18:46.56 | jnwhiteh | that would be odd. |
| 18:46.59 | jnwhiteh | are you in a guild? :P |
| 18:47.03 | TopTop18 | Yes |
| 18:47.15 | TopTop18 | When I call it manually it returs 24x |
| 18:47.27 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:50.41 | TopTop18 | Hmm I think it might only return valid data after entering the guild chat channel? |
| 18:50.47 | TopTop18 | Could that be right? |
| 18:54.10 | Lunessa | may have to call in sick for Halloween since my office mate plans to come as the guy from 'think with yer dipstick' commericals. |
| 18:59.04 | Lopeppeppy | ... um, yeah. Run that by HR a bit, shall he? |
| 19:02.11 | Lunessa | heh |
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| 19:09.07 | kdtresh | i'm not really sure why so many people are obsessed with those commercials |
| 19:10.43 | TopTop18 | Nor does it returnan other value then nill after CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_NOTICE, any other idea? |
| 19:14.52 | kdtresh | does GuildInfo() return anything? |
| 19:15.50 | TopTop18 | No idea, never used it |
| 19:16.04 | TopTop18 | can look it up, sec |
| 19:16.10 | kdtresh | can you pull any info from your guild? |
| 19:16.22 | kdtresh | or is it not even picking up that you're in one? |
| 19:16.53 | kdtresh | IsInGuild(), GetGuildInfo("player") |
| 19:17.35 | TopTop18 | What my wow programming book says is that it doesn;t return anything, but send a message to chatframe |
| 19:18.00 | kdtresh | GetNumGuildMembers(offline) takes a parameter |
| 19:18.29 | kdtresh | GetNumGuildMembers(1) will include offline members, 0 should not |
| 19:18.46 | TopTop18 | I use GetNumGuildMembers(true) |
| 19:19.40 | TopTop18 | GetGuildInfo("player) was used befroe it and does return normal values |
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| 19:20.16 | kdtresh | are you using GuildRoster() first? |
| 19:20.27 | TopTop18 | Nope |
| 19:20.57 | kdtresh | are you loading this on startup or is it firing from a button or something? |
| 19:21.43 | TopTop18 | At startup, tried firing it after different events but same results, tried GUILD?RROSTER?UPDATE, PLAYER?GUILD?UPDATE and CHAT?MSG?CHANNEL?NOTICE |
| 19:21.59 | TopTop18 | I can call it manually though ±S |
| 19:22.06 | TopTop18 | But that's somewhat later |
| 19:22.49 | kdtresh | if you're firing it manually, try a GuildRoster() call first |
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| 19:23.16 | TopTop18 | When I fired it manually without guioldroster call ti did return a normal value |
| 19:23.27 | TopTop18 | In code though it doesn't |
| 19:23.38 | kdtresh | ah, so it works when you fire it manually, but not when it loads on startup? |
| 19:23.45 | TopTop18 | Yep |
| 19:23.51 | kdtresh | may want to wait for a later event |
| 19:23.58 | kdtresh | i don't know the exact sequence of stuff that fires |
| 19:23.59 | TopTop18 | Suggestion? |
| 19:24.10 | TopTop18 | As I tried 3 events already :S |
| 19:24.17 | TopTop18 | No idea what fires later |
| 19:24.55 | kdtresh | PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD? |
| 19:25.03 | TopTop18 | Trying sec |
| 19:26.18 | Durinanix | is there a event for when teh player enters a raid? |
| 19:26.18 | kdtresh | VARIABLES_LOADED? |
| 19:26.30 | TopTop18 | Player entering world, no fires even earlier |
| 19:28.21 | TopTop18 | Enters a raid group or raid instance? |
| 19:28.33 | kdtresh | PLAYER_GUILD_UPDATE? |
| 19:29.07 | TopTop18 | variables loaded is even earlier xD |
| 19:29.11 | TopTop18 | PGU already tried |
| 19:29.18 | kdtresh | GUILD_MOTD? |
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| 19:29.24 | Durinanix | raid instance |
| 19:29.38 | TopTop18 | RAID_INSTANCE_WELCOME |
| 19:29.57 | kdtresh | GUILD_MOTD fires when the motd is shown |
| 19:30.28 | TopTop18 | Is earlier |
| 19:30.43 | kdtresh | motd is earlier? |
| 19:31.00 | TopTop18 | Yep |
| 19:31.00 | TopTop18 | is before PLAYER_LOGIN |
| 19:31.19 | TopTop18 | Latest I tried was CHAT_MSG_CHANNEL_NOTICe, when you join numbered chat channels, latest I could think of |
| 19:32.12 | TopTop18 | Conclusion: Or there's a coding fail from me or it's defined even later or something strange is happening |
| 19:32.41 | kdtresh | if it works fine when you fire it manually, it doesn't sound like coding fail |
| 19:32.46 | kdtresh | but i'm no expert |
| 19:33.09 | TopTop18 | Firing it manually is with /script, without using the addon |
| 19:33.24 | TopTop18 | Hmm can call the fuinc manually brb |
| 19:33.48 | kdtresh | about the only guild addon i have even used is fubar_guildfu, lol |
| 19:33.54 | kdtresh | i guess i have guildorg |
| 19:35.12 | kdtresh | only events it registers are variables_loaded, guild_roster_update, player_guild_update, and guild_motd |
| 19:35.52 | TopTop18 | When calling the func manually it works perfect! |
| 19:35.59 | TopTop18 | So no coding fail |
| 19:36.15 | TopTop18 | So it could be defined later at an unknown event or something strange's happening |
| 19:36.26 | maclt | Every non trivial program can be simplified to one line of code, and it will contain a bug. |
| 19:37.31 | TopTop18 | There're always bugs |
| 19:37.51 | Durinanix | can admin please approve my addon |
| 19:38.10 | TopTop18 | But as I can call my func manually and have it acting normal, but not on boot it's probably defined later on |
| 19:38.20 | TopTop18 | Someone knows an later event please? :S |
| 19:38.26 | Lopeppeppy | Durinanix, you need to include what site, and what addon you're talking about. We have a lot of sites here, and many many addons. |
| 19:38.55 | Durinanix | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/kellendros/ |
| 19:44.36 | NightHawkTheSane | i'd suggest asking in #curseforge or #wowace |
| 19:50.53 | Kraps | just finished watchmen |
| 19:52.05 | Fisker | Jerub |
| 19:52.06 | Lopeppeppy | i hear there is much of blue penis |
| 19:52.10 | Fisker | where's mah damn invite! |
| 19:54.35 | Lunessa | Fisker: No invite for j00! Not URZ! |
| 19:55.27 | durcyn | people fixate on blue penis way too much. it's a good movie, dongs notwithstanding |
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| 19:57.06 | Lopeppeppy | I'm holding my breath for the Star Trek release. Want more Sylar! |
| 19:57.14 | Thunder_Child | it's out |
| 19:57.51 | Lopeppeppy | No, it's listed for November something on DVD, I thought? |
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| 19:58.22 | Thunder_Child | *shrug* |
| 19:58.39 | Thunder_Child | the dvd rip and HD rip are on torrents |
| 19:59.03 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, I'm sure. :) |
| 19:59.14 | Lopeppeppy | It's listed as Nov. 17 on Amazon. |
| 19:59.34 | Fisker | october for sweden apparently |
| 19:59.43 | Fisker | "Lets send out a movie to all the pirates, that'll work beautifully" |
| 19:59.47 | Fisker | yarr |
| 19:59.53 | Lopeppeppy | Yaaar |
| 20:00.03 | Fisker | btw it's not "Star Trek" but "Lens Flare Trek" |
| 20:00.04 | Fisker | imo |
| 20:00.16 | Lopeppeppy | Meh. Sy-LAR! |
| 20:00.18 | Fisker | also the vulcan are fucking stupid |
| 20:00.40 | Thunder_Child | your opnion is about as useful as a screen door on a submarine |
| 20:00.50 | Fisker | your mom |
| 20:02.49 | Fisker | i'm still right btw |
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| 20:07.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I know I mentioned it earlier, but penny arcade is amazing today |
| 20:07.52 | Fisker | naw ScytheBlade1 |
| 20:22.34 | cog|work | http://gizmodo.com/5374890/this-is-a-photoshop-and-it-blew-my-mind |
| 20:24.05 | Shirik | yeah saw that yesterday |
| 20:24.09 | Shirik | wtb ability to try it :( |
| 20:24.23 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously, I'd love to play with it! |
| 20:24.32 | Shirik | they took it down because their site was getting hammered |
| 20:24.46 | Shirik | there site still can't even stay up serving just the 404 pages |
| 20:24.47 | Lunessa | "An event that will be remembered forever in the History of Humanity as the day in which a million dorks were finally able to put themselves in X-rated positions with Megan Fox." |
| 20:24.49 | Shirik | I periodically get timeouts |
| 20:24.57 | Shirik | their* |
| 20:25.05 | Lopeppeppy | Give it a few days to cool down then, I'd guess |
| 20:26.01 | Lopeppeppy | Does Gizmodo ever... I dunno... WARN people they are about to be publicized to within an inch of their server capacity, and usually a mile beyond it? |
| 20:26.19 | Lopeppeppy | Or does this always come as a shock to the poor recipient, whose boss is reaming him out because his servers are down and he can't say why? |
| 20:26.41 | cog|work | lol "An event that will be remembered forever in the History of Humanity as the day in which a million dorks were finally able to put themselves in X-rated positions with Megan Fox." |
| 20:28.49 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:30.19 | Fisker | yes |
| 20:30.20 | cog|work | Fiskers trout around a bit with a large slap |
| 20:30.21 | Fisker | i finally got him |
| 20:30.25 | Fisker | beware cog|work |
| 20:30.29 | Fisker | or i will disconnect you |
| 20:32.41 | TopTop18 | Well got to go now, if anyone knwos what event to use, please mail me timoDOTmeijerATliveDOTnl |
| 20:34.18 | Fisker | cog|work |
| 20:34.22 | Fisker | what are you going to do? |
| 20:35.03 | Fisker | LOL |
| 20:35.10 | Fisker | "i dont share account with brother . he was just doing dailys .. but this rly shows that i couldnt trust him :S" |
| 20:35.12 | Fisker | lololol |
| 20:39.09 | Kraps | TF2 is a blast (pun intended) |
| 20:39.33 | NeoTron | so I'm amused that phasing apparently started out solely as a bugfix for something in blade's edge mountain |
| 20:39.42 | Fisker | sauce NeoTron |
| 20:40.13 | zenzelezz | "The way to get me to show up at your conference is to invite me." -- people and their weird social codes |
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| 20:47.42 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20136602906&sid=1 |
| 20:48.53 | NightHawkTheSane | "I need to pay money for code samples, because i'm inept at googling how to calculate the distance between two points on a sphere" >< |
| 20:50.08 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: geometry is hard. |
| 20:52.33 | NeoTron | heh one thing I had issues with, not being a mathematician, was how to figure out ellipticial math |
| 20:52.51 | NeoTron | specifically when I added that to Magic Runes as a layout method. It's rather complex math, as opposed to a circle |
| 20:53.37 | NeoTron | specifically I tried to figure out how to calculate the distance betwen two points on an ellispis and there is no easy way of doing it at all |
| 20:54.05 | foxlit | That's not specific enough :) |
| 20:54.22 | NeoTron | specifically I fail |
| 20:54.23 | NeoTron | oh wait |
| 20:54.39 | foxlit | Points specified how; what sort of distance? |
| 20:54.48 | NeoTron | distance on the curve |
| 20:55.02 | NeoTron | I found and implemtned a method to place it in the right x/y space |
| 20:55.19 | NeoTron | but i wanted to space the icons evenly somehow which is trivial on a circle, seeing how it's circular |
| 20:56.12 | foxlit | http://media.curse.com/Curse.Projects.ProjectImages/16111/13056/ellipse.jpg << moo? |
| 20:57.00 | foxlit | [Is that it? Do they move? :)] |
| 20:58.16 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: trig is hard. :P but google knows all |
| 20:58.46 | foxlit | You might even skip google and go straight to wikipedia. |
| 20:59.14 | NightHawkTheSane | possibly |
| 21:02.03 | Lunessa | http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/10/usenet/ |
| 21:04.18 | NeoTron | foxlit: they can be moved |
| 21:04.39 | NeoTron | it works well, but to get good elliptical placement I had to make it possible to individually move them around |
| 21:04.43 | NeoTron | which is a nice feature to have anyway |
| 21:11.35 | foxlit | Does C ever specify what's actually inside the FILE struct from stdio? |
| 21:22.09 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: nice commit ;) |
| 21:22.19 | cog|work | =) |
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| 21:35.55 | ScytheBlade1 | so I just checked xkcd, and then felt a bit guilty |
| 21:37.09 | Lunessa | Why, because you have conversations while you're on the crapper? |
| 21:37.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Close |
| 21:37.26 | kdtresh | or because you base your historical statistics on oregon trail? |
| 21:37.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Very close |
| 21:37.34 | ScytheBlade1 | In fact think more... current! |
| 21:37.57 | kdtresh | because you're typing this while on the crapper? |
| 21:37.58 | Lunessa | Oh no.. You have dysentery! |
| 21:38.05 | kdtresh | with dysentery? |
| 21:38.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I'll just call that close enough |
| 21:40.36 | Fisker | you wouldn't steal a purple penis lamp |
| 21:40.49 | Arrowmaster | you would |
| 21:40.59 | Fisker | nope |
| 21:41.13 | kdtresh | because you already bought one? |
| 21:41.59 | Thunder_Child | he didnt buy them, he was the one to create them |
| 21:43.29 | Lunessa | Wait, dude. what? |
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| 21:44.59 | Adys | http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/2009/10/stewie-impression/ |
| 21:45.02 | Adys | that is AMAZING |
| 21:45.47 | bleeter | jesus I hate these new BG queue times, ~30 mins for a BG... can't even take a piss |
| 21:46.12 | Dagmar | It takes you thirty minutes to pee? |
| 21:46.17 | Dagmar | They make pills to fix that you know. |
| 21:46.18 | NeoTron | large bladder |
| 21:46.25 | Dagmar | I have a large bladder. |
| 21:46.29 | Dagmar | It still doesn't take me thirty minutes. |
| 21:46.35 | Dagmar | Sometimes five or six, but never thirty |
| 21:46.39 | bleeter | badum tisch |
| 21:47.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: that is quite good |
| 21:47.19 | Adys | that is very good yeah |
| 21:50.04 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/206754458 |
| 21:52.52 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/crystal-19979-meth-arrested.html |
| 21:52.52 | Aelobin | xD |
| 21:56.42 | kdtresh | with a name like that can you really blame her? |
| 21:56.45 | kdtresh | where are her parents? |
| 21:56.56 | Dagmar | Probably dead from meth |
| 21:57.13 | Lunessa | Crystal Meth worked for me! |
| 22:00.09 | nicoli_s | hook me up lunessa! |
| 22:00.28 | Lunessa | Heh |
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| 22:14.33 | Fisker | You wouldn't steal a barrel of radioactive waste |
| 22:16.12 | Aelobin | you would |
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| 22:18.26 | kd3 | sigh |
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| 22:21.40 | alestane | ~hug Lopeppeppy |
| 22:21.40 | purl | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs Lopeppeppy |
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| 22:34.39 | Lopeppeppy | re-hello, alestane |
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| 22:39.38 | Thunder_Child | what the hell are you baging, faberge eggs? http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lgb/csr/1411087203.html |
| 22:40.13 | Lunessa | Telecommuting is OK |
| 22:40.15 | ScytheBlade1 | # |
| 22:40.15 | ScytheBlade1 | # Compensation: $95.50/hr + bonuses and incentives |
| 22:40.16 | ScytheBlade1 | sold |
| 22:42.23 | Lunessa | I want to know how they're going to bag anything over the internet or phone. |
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| 22:42.50 | kdtresh | you probably have to pay a bunch for the "kit" |
| 22:44.54 | nicoli_s | you mean like a cerebral implant to be able to bag stuff over the internet? im up for it |
| 22:45.39 | kdtresh | ok, just send $195 via paypal |
| 22:46.05 | nicoli_s | but i get thousands of dollars in return right? sign me up! |
| 22:46.33 | kdtresh | yes* |
| 22:46.37 | kdtresh | *results not typical |
| 22:48.30 | nicoli_s | nooooo! |
| 22:49.45 | industrial | I don't understand why you'd pay someone for bagging stuff.. cashiere bleeps object -> put object in bag -> repeat until done -> pay -> go home |
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| 22:50.08 | industrial | instead you wait for someone else to bag it and you pay and go home? |
| 22:50.09 | Dagmar | You pay them because you don't want to do it |
| 22:50.21 | kdtresh | it's a "perk" |
| 22:50.27 | industrial | oh, you can choose to let them bag it or not? |
| 22:50.31 | kdtresh | you don't have to pack your cart anymore |
| 22:50.32 | WobWork | ? |
| 22:50.57 | WobWork | all our supermarkets have gone self service =\ |
| 22:51.07 | WobWork | it really doesn't speed things up |
| 22:51.23 | kdtresh | i like the self service lines because they're usually empty |
| 22:51.34 | Lopeppeppy | I hate them because they usually don't work. *sigh* |
| 22:51.44 | riveth | WobWork: reduces staffing, that is key |
| 22:51.49 | WobWork | unfortuanately, there's always one or two items in my load that need 'assistance' |
| 22:51.55 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 22:51.58 | riveth | WobWork: we have a 1:6 ratio of staff to lanes for self checkout here |
| 22:51.58 | kdtresh | WobWork: heh, me too |
| 22:52.05 | industrial | I dont understand how letting someone else bag your toiletpaper is faster |
| 22:52.16 | WobWork | industrial: cause you're not as lazy =) |
| 22:52.35 | Lopeppeppy | Something they do every day is faster than something I do once a week. |
| 22:52.35 | industrial | do they include an automatic conveyer belt to the car? |
| 22:52.36 | NeoTron | it's not about making it faster |
| 22:52.48 | NeoTron | it's about making it so people don't have to bag |
| 22:53.27 | kdtresh | raleys here will push your cart out to your car and load your car for you if you're an old lady |
| 22:53.38 | industrial | so you walk around this big place PICKING the stuff you want physically yourself then let someone else bag it? |
| 22:53.43 | Lopeppeppy | I rather like the Aldis I go to. Checker scans your stuff, piles it back in your shopping cart, you pay and walk away. You can bag your own stuff over on the side ledge, or just hike it out to your car as is, they don't freakin' care. |
| 22:55.25 | Dagmar | Yeah but around here they're like the emo-friendly grocer |
| 22:56.28 | industrial | why dont you then just go to an employee and give him/her the little note with everything you need so they can ge the items for you AND put them in a bag |
| 22:56.28 | Dagmar | You go in and pick your groceries while you marinade in the general air of suicidal depression. |
| 22:56.29 | Lopeppeppy | You can do that, we call it Peapod. You dont' even have to go to the grocery, they deliver!!! |
| 22:56.38 | Dagmar | God I loved services like that in SF |
| 22:56.46 | nicoli_s | mmmmm marinade |
| 22:56.52 | Dagmar | SPend a half hour clicking on a website and a few hours later groceries magically appear on your doorstep |
| 22:56.55 | Lopeppeppy | If I get the flu, hey, I can do a peapod! |
| 22:57.22 | Aqua | Whats the odds that a keylogger actually slipped past Windows 7 UAC / Hardware Firewall / AVG |
| 22:57.24 | WobWork | Lopeppeppy: I live above my supermarket |
| 22:57.41 | Lopeppeppy | scary, WobWork |
| 22:57.48 | industrial | Aqua: 42 / 0 |
| 22:57.49 | Dagmar | Aqua: Fairly low |
| 22:57.51 | foxlit | Hardware firewalls aren't actually all that useful. |
| 22:57.55 | WobWork | Aqua: did you click "Why yes! I -do- want to install this keylogger! Yes I'm sure!" |
| 22:57.56 | foxlit | In that situation. |
| 22:58.24 | Aqua | No i didn't get hacked a friend did, and i'm trying to figure out how, because he had a fresh os install / hardware firewall / avg all installed |
| 22:58.34 | foxlit | AVG may lack definitions for more specialized crap you could install. |
| 22:58.59 | WobWork | Aqua: pebcak, imo =) |
| 22:59.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Do the SSO dailies give capital city reputation? |
| 22:59.16 | ScytheBlade1 | (My priest just hit 70, and is 1k rep away from exalted..) |
| 22:59.17 | alestane | Shattered Sun? I don't think so. |
| 22:59.18 | Aqua | WobWork: i thought about that |
| 22:59.23 | ScytheBlade1 | hmk |
| 22:59.25 | Lopeppeppy | it's usually PEBKAC |
| 22:59.27 | ScytheBlade1 | To Darnassus then |
| 22:59.48 | ScytheBlade1 | That's also a heck of a jump |
| 22:59.48 | Dagmar | I'd say switch to using COmodo, but mine just managed to eff up an update |
| 22:59.55 | Dagmar | ...which brings your s**t full stop. |
| 23:00.13 | ScytheBlade1 | From 717,000 exp to reach 70, to 1523800 to reach 71 |
| 23:00.15 | Dagmar | THe whitelist is not so useful when a muffed update causes it to eat itself. |
| 23:00.18 | WobWork | ScytheBlade1: just get to 77 and do AT |
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| 23:00.38 | ScytheBlade1 | WobWork: or, do three quests and save 1k now |
| 23:00.47 | ScytheBlade1 | And start at 70 with an epic flyer |
| 23:00.50 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 23:00.50 | WobWork | oh, buying a mount |
| 23:00.54 | WobWork | kk |
| 23:00.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Training, but yes |
| 23:00.57 | Dagmar | It *knows* it's broken so it tries to get an update and it can't because it won't let itself get the update and you are now boned with Comodo spinning away 100% of your CPU |
| 23:01.19 | Aqua | I just don't get how a keylogger would have gotten installed with UAC on |
| 23:01.21 | Aqua | I mean seriously |
| 23:01.36 | ArrowmasterClass | because UAC is flawed? |
| 23:01.36 | Dagmar | *did* one get installed? |
| 23:01.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Aqua: the person clicked "yes" |
| 23:01.37 | Aqua | i know UAC aint perfect |
| 23:01.43 | WobWork | UAC gets bypassed if you click "Yes I want to install, PLZ", doesn't it? |
| 23:01.56 | Dagmar | ...or do you just _suspect_ one got installed |
| 23:02.03 | ArrowmasterClass | it is also easily bypassed on win7 |
| 23:02.04 | Aqua | I'm theorizing |
| 23:02.07 | Dagmar | WobWork: In a white-hot second it will |
| 23:02.22 | ScytheBlade1 | ArrowmasterClass: only if you're terrible at the UAC game |
| 23:02.27 | Aqua | because i cannot come up with any other explanation |
| 23:02.35 | Dagmar | Explanation for what? |
| 23:02.46 | Dagmar | You got your account jacked? |
| 23:02.53 | Aqua | no, mine didn't a buddies did |
| 23:03.04 | Dagmar | He was probably downloding porno or cracks |
| 23:03.23 | Dagmar | ...or he used his WoW password on some other WoW-related site and that got jacked |
| 23:03.34 | nicoli_s | or it was ...OMG CURSE CLIENT STEELING PASSWERDZ! |
| 23:03.43 | Dagmar | ...or he failed at the UAC game when one of those cool malvertisers had their shining moment in the sun. |
| 23:04.00 | Aqua | I guess and is the curse client that comprised? |
| 23:04.03 | Dagmar | No. |
| 23:04.06 | Aqua | *comprimized... |
| 23:04.07 | Dagmar | Not _now_ anyway |
| 23:04.13 | Aqua | can't type today |
| 23:04.16 | nicoli_s | i was kidding |
| 23:04.28 | nicoli_s | the curse client itself has never been compromised |
| 23:04.47 | Dagmar | I thought at one point someone had managed to trojan the install binary for about a day |
| 23:05.09 | nicoli_s | not that i'm aware of |
| 23:05.15 | Aqua | I just think its funny that whoever hacked his account proceeded in adding it too their battle.net account, cause that was a win move |
| 23:05.45 | ScytheBlade1 | that is _incredibly_ common |
| 23:05.47 | foxlit | qq @ battle.net usernames. |
| 23:05.48 | WobWork | wow, that can't be traced at all |
| 23:06.02 | ArrowmasterClass | they always do that |
| 23:06.11 | Dagmar | Aqua: Was he the _original_ owner of the account? |
| 23:06.32 | Aqua | yup |
| 23:06.40 | Dagmar | Hmm... |
| 23:06.46 | Aqua | thats the even more F'ed up part |
| 23:06.47 | WobWork | so it was added to -his- battlenet account? |
| 23:07.20 | Aqua | he doesn't have a battle.net, the hacker added it to theirs |
| 23:08.21 | Dagmar | The account was probable stolen and then sold to someone else |
| 23:08.30 | ArrowmasterClass | no they didnt, they added it to A battlenet account |
| 23:08.34 | Dagmar | You gotta love those sites that say they'll sell you any class/race combo on any server. |
| 23:08.35 | ArrowmasterClass | they always do this |
| 23:08.47 | Dagmar | No... they can't possibly be criminals. |
| 23:09.11 | Dagmar | It probably wasn't the hacker who added it to their battle.net account, it was probably the criminal cartels' customer. |
| 23:09.30 | Aqua | yea, but they stripped down the account first, |
| 23:10.01 | foxlit | "The existing /welcome emote now greets/welcomes targets (character says âhelloâ), while the new /yw is for saying "you're welcome."" |
| 23:10.06 | foxlit | It only took five years! |
| 23:11.07 | foxlit | "Area-of-Effect Damage Caps: Weâve redesigned the way area damage is capped when hitting many targets. Instead of a hard cap on total damage done, the game now caps the total damage done at a value equal to the damage the spell would do if it hit 10 targets. In other words, if a spell does 1000 damage to each target, it would hit up to 10 targets for 1000 each, but with more than 10 targets, each target would take 1000 damage d |
| 23:11.07 | foxlit | by the number of targets. 20 targets would be hit for 500 damage each in that example." |
| 23:11.20 | foxlit | (That reads awfully like a hard cap on damage done.) |
| 23:11.21 | WobWork | foxlit: nooooo |
| 23:11.25 | WobWork | well. |
| 23:11.37 | kd3 | it is; they've played with the numbers again |
| 23:11.41 | Dagmar | Damn |
| 23:11.44 | kd3 | that's how they originally introduced the aoe damage caps |
| 23:11.49 | Dagmar | That's going to make a certain achievement a real bitch |
| 23:12.05 | WobWork | you'll need more aoe pulses =( |
| 23:12.22 | WobWork | I was finding it terribly pretty to see magma totem hitting whelps |
| 23:12.28 | WobWork | (as a healer) |
| 23:12.30 | Dagmar | Killing 100 undead in CoT lickety-split willl be harder |
| 23:12.38 | foxlit | "Instead of a hard cap on total damage done [...] the game now caps the total damage done" |
| 23:12.52 | WobWork | foxlit: hehe |
| 23:12.55 | foxlit | s/ [...]/,/ |
| 23:13.12 | WobWork | this means... the 'game' is 'hard' |
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| 23:13.39 | foxlit | Dagmar: They barely have any health :) |
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| 23:13.51 | foxlit | The problem with that achievement is actually finding 100 undead to kill. |
| 23:13.57 | Dagmar | Yeah but when you're pulling all 100 at once you're barely going to hit them for anything |
| 23:14.13 | foxlit | My normal hurricane hits for 1000 to a single target. |
| 23:14.23 | Dagmar | Usually there's one lane where we know we're either going to pull it off, or we're all doomed |
| 23:14.23 | WobWork | when you're pulling, you don't want to kill them |
| 23:14.26 | foxlit | It'll hit for 100 to those. |
| 23:14.29 | foxlit | They'll be dead in a single cast. |
| 23:14.37 | WobWork | they're not -that- weak |
| 23:14.41 | WobWork | oh single cast |
| 23:14.46 | Dagmar | If they died that easily a single paladin could do it |
| 23:14.56 | foxlit | <1k hp, iirc. |
| 23:15.41 | NeoTron | I thought you also ahd like a minute to kill them |
| 23:15.47 | NeoTron | they have something like 700-800 health |
| 23:15.49 | Dagmar | Hell, if they died that easily I could just drop a fire trap |
| 23:16.04 | NeoTron | youy can kill them in time with thorns / ret aura probably |
| 23:16.06 | WobWork | with the new 900 + RAP |
| 23:16.14 | WobWork | you'll incinerate them |
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| 23:16.33 | WobWork | As a healer, I drop a magma totem, and it kills them in a couple of ticks at most |
| 23:16.44 | Dagmar | Maybe they're looking to put an end to "wall of yellow numbers" screenshogts |
| 23:16.54 | NeoTron | I haev one of those |
| 23:16.57 | foxlit | NeoTron: it's even easier, really |
| 23:16.59 | Dagmar | Personally, I love it when my screen looks like a DOS spreadsheet |
| 23:17.04 | foxlit | The 60 seconds if from the first death to the last. |
| 23:17.19 | foxlit | Using thorns/retri aura will kill them with time to spare. |
| 23:18.14 | foxlit | It's interesting, the wiki is inconsistent on the subject of current AoE behavior. |
| 23:18.21 | foxlit | "In the case of AE, the damage decreases per mob, up until about 15 mobs being, at which point it holds at a certain amount of minimum damage." |
| 23:19.11 | foxlit | versus "Each rank of each spell has a damage cap. Once this cap will be reached the spell does less damage to compensate so that it will not exceed its cap." |
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| 23:20.19 | foxlit | So I guess the point of their change is that your aoe damage cap now scales with gear, as opposed to not doing so previously. |
| 23:20.33 | Dagmar | THat I could deal with |
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| 23:26.15 | NeoTron | in a way, Champions Online dealt with that in a much more clear fashion |
| 23:26.23 | NeoTron | each AoE ability can affect at most X targets. |
| 23:26.48 | foxlit | In a way, that's a worse than what WoW does. |
| 23:26.56 | Dagmar | Well, |
| 23:27.06 | NeoTron | from a balance point of view it's a much more clear way of doing it. |
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| 23:27.12 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: i wouldn't say worse, just different. |
| 23:27.14 | NeoTron | it's not really "worse" or "better", just better defined |
| 23:27.21 | NightHawkTheSane | if the game was designed around that being the "way it worked" |
| 23:27.27 | Dagmar | WoW doesn't give you AoEs that are designed to kill a certain class of mob in one shot and then chase around stragglers |
| 23:27.39 | Dagmar | I'm looking straight at you Orbital Cannon. |
| 23:27.43 | DWSR | lol |
| 23:27.48 | Dagmar | (although I still olve it) |
| 23:27.54 | NeoTron | Orbital Cannon is fun |
| 23:28.08 | Dagmar | I need to stack my endurance up so I can just open with that ability |
| 23:28.21 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: as long as you never run into a crowd of 2*N mobs :) |
| 23:28.40 | Dagmar | Lately I've been wanting for a folding chair in that game. |
| 23:28.55 | Dagmar | Something for me to sit on whiel I wait for the bots to finish up |
| 23:29.20 | NeoTron | in Aion when I heal group content, my character stands there fanning her face and armpits between heals |
| 23:29.33 | theorbtwo | Cute. |
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| 23:30.02 | Dagmar | No braiding her back hair? |
| 23:30.03 | NeoTron | they have various idle animations that depends on the environment. if it's hot/dusty you do that. if it's raining you whip out a large leaf to use as an umbrella |
| 23:30.39 | WobWork | fanning your armpits? |
| 23:30.46 | NeoTron | WobWork: yes I kid you not |
| 23:31.02 | NightHawkTheSane | thats actually pretty neat |
| 23:31.04 | WobWork | is it just an unfortunate animation |
| 23:31.20 | WobWork | or you're actually deliberately fanning your armpits for an RP reason |
| 23:31.35 | NightHawkTheSane | pfft. casting heals totally uses up all your deodorant. |
| 23:31.50 | WobWork | that's why you cast with your arms -above- your head! |
| 23:32.13 | Jerub | Fisker |
| 23:32.27 | bleeter | WobWork: what autoshutdown? |
| 23:33.40 | WobWork | didn't you say Wave said "Sorry, only US people can use this" when you joined? |
| 23:34.38 | tem | I typo "pairs" to "paris" WAY too much |
| 23:35.47 | NeoTron | I can't find a video example of it, only the mail one |
| 23:39.40 | Dagmar | I <3 Penny Arcade today |
| 23:40.49 | Thunder_Child | freud would have something to say about that tem |
| 23:41.10 | WobWork | That he really loves the french? |
| 23:41.34 | Dagmar | He likes Hilton's pairs |
| 23:41.42 | WobWork | oh. |
| 23:41.59 | WobWork | I've placed a mental block on her in my mind that skips over any direct reference |
| 23:41.59 | Jerub | meh. she's a celebrity, but she's not exactly a demon in the sack. |
| 23:42.16 | WobWork | you'd have to pay me a lot of money to sleep with her =P |
| 23:42.22 | Dagmar | Jerub: Well, at least we know she can s**k a c**k so she's not totally without skills |
| 23:42.32 | Jerub | Dagmar: but she's not very good at it. |
| 23:42.45 | Dagmar | She's better than a lot of girls |
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| 23:43.34 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, it's not that hard to type 'Suck a Cock' |
| 23:43.38 | Thunder_Child | WobWork, how much? |
| 23:44.01 | Dagmar | Yeah well there's something slightly graphic about that turn of phrase that makes me hesitant to type it on IRC in a "public" channel |
| 23:44.19 | WobWork | hm |
| 23:44.26 | WobWork | enough to make me independantly wealthy, perhaps |
| 23:44.36 | Dagmar | Drop that bomb in casual conversation sometime |
| 23:44.38 | WobWork | (and then I'd hire a stand in) |
| 23:44.40 | Thunder_Child | that varies by location and scrip |
| 23:45.15 | NeoTron | Thunder_Child: he actually meant "Soak a Cook" |
| 23:45.37 | Thunder_Child | NeoTron, and we know paris can do this how? |
| 23:45.52 | NeoTron | that Ican't answer |
| 23:47.27 | Jerub | Dagmar: You really don't have the same quality of social interaction with your friends that I have then. |
| 23:47.58 | Jerub | (where 'Cock goes where?' is a perfectly ordinary response to basiclly any sentence) |
| 23:48.09 | Dagmar | My friends look like savages, so we can't afford to behave like them. |
| 23:49.50 | Dagmar | For some reason, people see a lot of black leather and just expect you to start smashing tables. |
| 23:50.00 | Dagmar | I blame television. |
| 23:52.15 | WobWork | Dagmar: Take a spray bottle of glitter |
| 23:52.22 | WobWork | Then they'll expect you to act like vampires |
| 23:52.33 | kd3 | wtf |
| 23:52.38 | kd3 | "Tsunami warning after magnitude 8.1 earthquake rocks the Pacific Ocean. This is not a repeat from last week [News]" |
| 23:52.47 | ZorbaBeta | or add cat ears and a cape, and then they'll expect you to be emo in a corner |
| 23:53.43 | Dagmar | Shit another one? |
| 23:53.49 | Dagmar | Craaap |
| 23:54.00 | Dagmar | Samoans are going to have to evolve gills |
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| 23:58.10 | ArrowmasterClass | have we seen xinhaun recently? |
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| 23:59.14 | NeoTron | as purl |
| 23:59.17 | NeoTron | *ask |
| 23:59.42 | ArrowmasterClass | !seen Xinhuan |
| 23:59.51 | ArrowmasterClass | ~seen Xinhuan |
| 23:59.54 | purl | xinhuan <n=xinhuan@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/xinhuan> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 3d 18h 12m 20s ago, saying: 'yes'. |
