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| 00:02.25 | Shirik | Why is Microsoft's search so bad |
| 00:02.30 | Shirik | Results 1-50 of about 89,900,000 for: MAX_PATH(0.6 seconds) |
| 00:03.21 | Thunder_Child | because they are just starting out |
| 00:03.38 | Thunder_Child | "Results 1 - 10 of about 131,000 for MAX_PATH. (0.20 seconds)" is googles, it takes extra time to sort, thats all |
| 00:03.51 | Thunder_Child | err..nvm |
| 00:03.59 | Thunder_Child | i fail at math |
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| 00:11.45 | Shirik | I swear, my senior design class had no clue what they were doing |
| 00:11.55 | Shirik | who wants to take a guess at what's incredibly stupid about this code? |
| 00:12.15 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/126091 |
| 00:13.19 | Lopeppeppy_ | Sorry, I'm not smart enough... |
| 00:13.39 | Wobin | an array of pointers to strings recast to an array of strings? |
| 00:13.51 | kd3 | ^ |
| 00:13.54 | kd3 | looks for more caffeine |
| 00:13.54 | Wobin | Cairenn, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/01/photos-adorable-newborn-p_n_306976.html?slidenumber=0#slide_image |
| 00:13.55 | Shirik | ok so that's 1 mistake |
| 00:13.59 | Shirik | Try again Wobin |
| 00:14.07 | Shirik | you've only found 1 bug in 2 lines of code |
| 00:14.12 | Cairenn | I've seen it, and it is cute :) |
| 00:14.13 | Tepel | names_array is never used? |
| 00:14.18 | Shirik | there we go |
| 00:14.20 | Wobin | ^ |
| 00:14.25 | Shirik | not only is names_array wrong |
| 00:14.27 | Shirik | it's useless |
| 00:14.33 | Shirik | There's only 2 lines of code in this function |
| 00:14.37 | Shirik | and they managed to make 2 mistakes |
| 00:14.40 | Shirik | how, I don't nkow |
| 00:14.45 | mikma | YOU ARE USELESS |
| 00:14.50 | kd3 | 'they're all gonna laugh at you!' |
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| 00:15.00 | Shirik | o_o org.hibernate.StaleStateException |
| 00:15.06 | Shirik | fisheye not happy |
| 00:15.25 | Tepel | Time for FMA |
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| 00:16.47 | Jerub | :( FMA |
| 00:17.07 | Jerub | that series ensaddened me. |
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| 00:18.13 | Kraps | GOOD EVENING NEW YORK |
| 00:23.03 | Shirik | cog|away: ping |
| 00:23.07 | Shirik | warning C4996: 'localtime': This function or variable may be unsafe. Consider using localtime_s instead. |
| 00:23.15 | Shirik | Does anyone have a clue wtf it's talking about? |
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| 00:27.12 | Wobin | I am heartily amused at how many teens now know of Journey =P |
| 00:27.27 | Wobin | Thanks to Glee =P |
| 00:27.29 | Lopeppeppy_ | Journey kicks ass! |
| 00:27.34 | Wobin | Yes! |
| 00:28.14 | Wobin | But it, at heart, is a quintessential -80's- band! |
| 00:28.23 | Wobin | and now kids that were not even -born- at the time are enjoying their music =P |
| 00:28.56 | Arrowmaster | ill listen to journey, boston, and foreigner and i was born in 86 |
| 00:28.56 | Wobin | (70-80s sounds weird) |
| 00:29.14 | Jerub | what shits me is how many teenagers 'love' the beetles. who wrote crap music and recorded it on antique equipment when their parents were a twinkle in their grandparents eyes. |
| 00:29.20 | Arrowmaster | but my excuse is that my mom listens to those |
| 00:29.28 | Wobin | Arrowmaster, Yes, but you clearly have parents with good music taste that shared it with you |
| 00:29.41 | A-KO | what kills me are the people who swear by analog signalling :P |
| 00:29.42 | Wobin | You didn't learn about it from a TV show =P |
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| 00:30.04 | Wobin | Jerub, Some of the Beatles music was awesome =) |
| 00:30.09 | Arrowmaster | theres an 8track from the first woodstock in a cabinet less than 10 feet away from me |
| 00:30.57 | Arrowmaster | along with some other original 8tracks that are probably worth more than anybody wants to guess at |
| 00:31.51 | Jerub | Wobin: sure. but most of it is unlistenable. |
| 00:31.56 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: i dont even know what the tv show you are talking about is |
| 00:32.07 | Wobin | Arrowmaster, You don't need to =) |
| 00:33.12 | Wobin | Jerub, cause if it can be arranged like this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0Fc18FSilo |
| 00:33.29 | Wobin | (The Idea of North, obviously do it better, but I can't find a youtube of them doing it...) |
| 00:34.42 | Arrowmaster | i should decide if i want to get any of these today before the offer ends http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/marketplace/dealoftheweek/ |
| 00:35.05 | Jerub | Wobin: sorry ,at work, can't youtube |
| 00:35.05 | Lopeppeppy_ | Yes, yes you should. |
| 00:35.20 | Wobin | Arrowmaster, You don't have We Are The Champions? |
| 00:35.36 | Arrowmaster | i dont purchase many tracks for GH |
| 00:35.47 | Wobin | well that should have been the first option =) |
| 00:36.08 | Arrowmaster | i have the metallica one but it came as a code with the cd, a few for 3 and none for WT |
| 00:36.34 | Wobin | Mr Brightside is kinda cool guitar track |
| 00:37.26 | Arrowmaster | ive got the classic rock pack for 3 |
| 00:38.33 | Arrowmaster | and the muse pack, that ones good |
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| 00:48.42 | Ackis | anyone have a mod to make DEing/Milling easier? |
| 00:50.49 | A-KO | what do you mean? |
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| 00:52.03 | Lopeppeppy_ | can't automate it, IIRC, you' have to interact. |
| 00:52.33 | Ackis | just want something to auto-loot from it at least |
| 00:52.47 | Thunder_Child | auto-loot works |
| 00:52.53 | Thunder_Child | at least it does for me and ench |
| 00:55.56 | Ackis | but something that'll turn it on while I mill/DE and then turn it off once done? |
| 00:56.52 | cog|away | Shirik: the _s functions are alternatives for unsafe standard library functions |
| 00:56.59 | Shirik | yes I know that |
| 00:57.11 | Arrowmaster | i thought there was a trick that you could just do CloseLoot() or whatever and it would autoloot to you if you had room |
| 00:57.13 | Shirik | but how the heck is localtime() unsafe |
| 00:57.54 | cog|away | Shirik: because if you pass it a pointer to an object smaller than time_t it will write past the end |
| 00:59.45 | cog|away | err read |
| 01:00.24 | Shirik | uh |
| 01:00.33 | Shirik | what? |
| 01:00.46 | Shirik | that's the same with any function though |
| 01:00.56 | Shirik | if I give it something that is not what it expects, it's going to break |
| 01:01.06 | Shirik | that's not "insecure" that's just "crappy programming" |
| 01:01.35 | cog|away | it's a buffer overrun |
| 01:01.55 | cog|away | which is exactly what the _s functions are designed to prevent |
| 01:02.00 | Shirik | there's no writing |
| 01:02.04 | Shirik | if it were writing I could understand |
| 01:02.22 | cog|away | if you allocate a time_t on the free store it could crash by reading past the end |
| 01:03.03 | Shirik | the _s functions were designed to fix security vulnerabilities |
| 01:03.11 | Shirik | a crash is not a security vulnerability (unless you consider it a DoS) |
| 01:03.21 | Shirik | I can crash with just about every API |
| 01:03.22 | cog|away | shrugs |
| 01:03.35 | cog|away | they were probably just trying to be consistent |
| 01:04.55 | Shirik | The only thing I can think of is that it's unsafe in multithreading applications |
| 01:05.03 | Shirik | but that's hardly a good enough reason to throw CRT warnings all the time |
| 01:05.11 | ZorbaBeta | ackis, pretty much any autoloot addon will autoloot. hell, blizzard's built-in autoloot switch will autoloot it |
| 01:05.59 | cog|away | Shirik: might have something to do with the fact that the standard 32-bit time_t will overflow in 2038? |
| 01:06.20 | Shirik | I think that's alleviated because VS2005+ actually uses a 64-bit time_t |
| 01:06.29 | Shirik | unless you define _USE_32BIT_TIME_T |
| 01:06.31 | Shirik | or something like that |
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| 01:08.59 | cog|away | Both the 32-bit and 64-bit versions of gmtime, mktime, mkgmtime, and localtime all use a single tm structure per thread for the conversion. Each call to one of these routines destroys the result of the previous call. |
| 01:09.35 | cog|away | whereas in the _s you pass it your own struct |
| 01:09.44 | Shirik | yeah so I guess it's just a multithreading thing |
| 01:09.51 | Shirik | I can't really see how you can call that a "security" problem though |
| 01:10.40 | Shirik | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/8ef0s5kh(VS.80).aspx makes no reference to multithreading |
| 01:12.28 | cog|away | maybe it falls under parameter validation and enhanced error reporting? |
| 01:12.39 | cog|away | since they return errno_t? |
| 01:12.44 | Jerub | writing code on the MS platform usually requires gobs of threads anyway, doesn't it? |
| 01:15.00 | Shirik | depends on what you're doing |
| 01:19.42 | Ackis | @ticket arl 815 |
| 01:19.45 | Repo | Ackis: http://www.wowace.com/addons/arl/tickets/815 - Scanning RuneForging in Russian WoW client. Reported by: Kaaloks. Type: Defect. Updated: 33 days ago. Component: Recipe Database. Status: New. Priority: Medium. Assignee: Ackis. Votes: 0. Comments: 2 |
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| 01:56.35 | Lopeppeppy_ | Ugh, napping was such a bad idea. I'm totally wide awake now. |
| 01:57.00 | A-KO | I should have napped today |
| 01:57.18 | A-KO | instead I went and got a haircut and went shopping for fewdz |
| 01:57.35 | Durnt | Anyone mind answering a quick question for auctioneer? |
| 01:58.23 | Lopeppeppy_ | I did all that before I napped, A-KO :) Then my kitty missed me and gave me a sleepion gift. |
| 01:59.42 | A-KO | lol, nice. |
| 02:00.15 | Lopeppeppy_ | kitties give the best gifts. |
| 02:00.31 | A-KO | that they do, except ours, she has like 25+ toes |
| 02:00.35 | A-KO | and knows how to use 'em.... |
| 02:00.57 | Lopeppeppy_ | both of mine are normal-toes. |
| 02:01.11 | Lopeppeppy_ | I was hoping for a calico manytoe, but I got Sleepion Rosie instead. |
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| 02:02.05 | A-KO | :D |
| 02:02.07 | A-KO | cats are awesome |
| 02:02.11 | A-KO | so is my snapping turtle.... |
| 02:03.59 | Lopeppeppy_ | I think my queen would eat any turkles she could catch. |
| 02:04.09 | A-KO | lol |
| 02:04.13 | A-KO | my turtle would eat her :P |
| 02:04.24 | Lopeppeppy_ | She catched some crickets this afternoon, very awesome of her. |
| 02:04.30 | Lopeppeppy_ | And yeah, snappers can get big and mean. |
| 02:06.40 | A-KO | hmmm, to sleep or play video games |
| 02:06.41 | A-KO | that is the question |
| 02:06.57 | Lopeppeppy_ | hour of gaming, then bed! |
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| 02:08.07 | Shirik | Cairenn! |
| 02:08.12 | Cairenn | Shirik! |
| 02:09.06 | Lopeppeppy_ | Bullwinkle! |
| 02:09.12 | A-KO | Rocky! |
| 02:09.25 | A-KO | I have to ask you this Lopeppeppy_, what exactly is a Lopeppeppy? |
| 02:09.39 | Lopeppeppy_ | A very rare and special creature, A-KO. *grin* |
| 02:09.51 | A-KO | I was thinking like a stuttering frenchman |
| 02:09.54 | A-KO | le pep peppy |
| 02:10.07 | Lopeppeppy_ | No. LO-p-peppy is me |
| 02:15.46 | Kraps_ | look at all the demos on steam! |
| 02:16.47 | Kraps_ | just finished the Portal demo, win :) |
| 02:18.48 | Lopeppeppy_ | There's no use crying over every mistake |
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| 02:19.33 | A-KO | Portal is awesome |
| 02:20.05 | Dashkal | For a puzzle game, that game is surprisingly replayable. |
| 02:20.06 | Kraps_ | this level is impossible, we made a mistake with this level |
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| 02:21.25 | A-KO | hmmm |
| 02:21.37 | ZorbaBeta | I hope my mom's computer will be able to run Portal, I need to buy it for her |
| 02:21.46 | A-KO | might have to get some buddies of mine to pre-order l4d2 |
| 02:21.51 | A-KO | it's $33.75/person for the 4 pack |
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| 02:23.32 | Lopeppeppy_ | so buy her one that you'll besure will run it. :) |
| 02:23.49 | ZorbaBeta | the problem is that she runs ubuntu, so it can be a little uncertain what will run it ;) |
| 02:24.02 | ZorbaBeta | I may end up buying her a cheap nvidia card just thanks to how crummy the ati drivers on ubuntu have been lately |
| 02:25.44 | Arrowmaster | source doesnt seem to run that well in wine |
| 02:25.44 | A-KO | someone is giving me the run down and history of dung beetles |
| 02:25.55 | A-KO | he thinks they're awesome because they clean his yard of dog poo |
| 02:26.32 | Lopeppeppy_ | ... a shovel is vastly faster |
| 02:29.35 | A-KO | yeah but the dung beetle is less hassle :P |
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| 02:29.53 | A-KO | LOL |
| 02:29.57 | A-KO | oh god |
| 02:30.12 | Arrowmaster | google uses goats to mow its front lawn |
| 02:30.15 | A-KO | someone just pointed out in the comments on this youtube video for dung beetles that......Anub'Arak is a giant dung beetle |
| 02:35.08 | Kraps_ | http://www.avast.com/eng/home-registration.php can anyone see what you're supposed to type into the security box at the bottom? |
| 02:36.27 | Lopeppeppy_ | I can see a captcha |
| 02:37.19 | Kraps_ | on the right? |
| 02:38.29 | batrick | harro |
| 02:38.36 | Lopeppeppy_ | down at the bottom, in the center |
| 02:38.39 | batrick | Shirik: ping |
| 02:39.19 | A-KO | why getting Avast? |
| 02:39.21 | A-KO | MSE is out |
| 02:39.25 | A-KO | it's less annoying |
| 02:39.35 | A-KO | http://www.microsoft.com/Security_essentials/ |
| 02:40.24 | Kraps_ | you're recommending a Microsoft antivirus? /boggle |
| 02:40.42 | A-KO | why wouldn't I? |
| 02:40.47 | Lopeppeppy_ | ... eew. |
| 02:41.06 | Lopeppeppy_ | I use clamwin, spybot and AdAware. |
| 02:41.07 | A-KO | it scores rather well in independent reviews |
| 02:41.18 | A-KO | clamwin doesn't have realtime detection :P |
| 02:41.27 | A-KO | (we looked at it for our 25K PC rollout) |
| 02:41.29 | Kraps_ | Lopeppeppy_: do you pay for them? |
| 02:41.29 | A-KO | it's fail |
| 02:41.39 | Lopeppeppy_ | Kraps, no. |
| 02:41.40 | A-KO | clamwin is freeware/oss |
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| 02:41.46 | A-KO | it's pretty crappy though |
| 02:41.54 | Lopeppeppy_ | Works pretty fine here. |
| 02:42.14 | A-KO | but it has 0 realtime detection, so you have to have the burden of scanning eveyr file you download directly, and hope the signature is right :P |
| 02:42.25 | Kraps_ | Lopeppeppy_: adaware free doesnt have realtime protection either |
| 02:42.29 | A-KO | MSE replaces Defender |
| 02:42.34 | Jerub | Okay, so I have a weird question. I have an option between 4k health (7% increase) or 1.5% dodge (up from 27%) |
| 02:42.40 | A-KO | and in independent reviews, it scores extremely well. |
| 02:42.40 | Lopeppeppy_ | Or you don't download suspicious files? |
| 02:43.03 | Kraps_ | noms Lopeppeppy_ |
| 02:43.04 | A-KO | Lopeppeppy_: nonsense, "suspicious files" can come from every place, including temp files, etc. |
| 02:43.05 | Jerub | the dodge has a trinket use affect, and I always forget to hit trinkets, it's another 5% dodge for 20seconds every 3 minutes. |
| 02:43.28 | Lopeppeppy_ | Of course they can |
| 02:43.43 | Kraps_ | A-KO: its not antivirus, its antispyware ya? |
| 02:43.48 | A-KO | Kraps_: it's both |
| 02:43.54 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, do you do progression raiding of any sort? do you tend to get one-shot or two-shot? |
| 02:43.59 | A-KO | MSE supercedes defender and adds AV |
| 02:44.07 | ZorbaBeta | if so, go with the 4k. otherwise, go with the dodge. remember you can always macro the trinket to a commonly-used ability |
| 02:44.12 | Kraps_ | A-KO: so AVG has to go? |
| 02:44.34 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: I've tanked naxx10. |
| 02:44.41 | ZorbaBeta | (though honestly I would go with the 4k, 4k health is a gargantuan amount of health) |
| 02:44.49 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: but I'm not a career tank. I usually heal or dps. |
| 02:44.59 | ZorbaBeta | (well it is if you're not a druid) |
| 02:45.01 | A-KO | Kraps_: There's nothing wrong with Avira, Avast, or AVG. Except that AVG has some link scanner thing, Avast has a shitty UI, and Avira tries to sell you their full version on every update. MSE hdies in the background, updates with Windows update, and leaves you the hell alone--it tries to sell you nothing, and it scores reasonably high in detection tests with a very low false positive rate. |
| 02:45.07 | A-KO | I would rate that quite well amongst free AVs |
| 02:45.07 | Jerub | yeah, that takes me to 41k. |
| 02:45.11 | ZorbaBeta | (are you a druid? I guess you're either druid or paladin) |
| 02:45.22 | Jerub | yeah, druid. |
| 02:45.38 | A-KO | high detection + not annoying + low false positives = a win in my book |
| 02:45.40 | A-KO | + free |
| 02:45.46 | A-KO | + great resource usage |
| 02:45.50 | Jerub | it's the brewfest steins. the two trinkets are both +170stamina |
| 02:45.50 | ZorbaBeta | it's sorta hard to say. having a huge health pool is what you need to tank stuff that is near your limit of gear |
| 02:46.10 | ZorbaBeta | if you're not near your limit of gear, and it's sounding like you're nowhere near your limit of gear, then you may as well go with the dodge |
| 02:46.32 | Jerub | that's an interesting point. |
| 02:46.51 | Jerub | I was leaning towards the dodge anyway, becuase not taking damage = damage the healer doesn't have to heal. |
| 02:47.02 | Jerub | (and I had two spectaularly bad pug healers this weekend) |
| 02:47.08 | Kraps_ | A-KO: i turned off avgs link scan, and avasts ui doesnt bother me, i just wanted to get it for the real-time scan thing but i guess i dont have to now |
| 02:47.34 | ZorbaBeta | true, but some damage is inevitable. a tank with 95% dodge and 10k HP is a worthless tank, a tank with 0% dodge and 100k HP is a dubious but probably very effective tank |
| 02:47.45 | A-KO | if you're willing to pay, NOD32 still ranks high amongst a lot of people :P |
| 02:47.59 | Jerub | and reading elitistjerks, i should apparently be stacking agi more than i am. |
| 02:48.07 | Jerub | I think I stacked stam just a little too much. |
| 02:48.19 | ZorbaBeta | it really does depend firmly on your goals |
| 02:48.36 | ZorbaBeta | find a druid tank spreadsheet somewhere, it should allow you to tune your goals between threat/mitigation/burst/dps |
| 02:48.44 | Jerub | I think I might gem and chant my legs for kitty not bear, so i have a bit more dodge and less health on my tank. |
| 02:48.52 | ZorbaBeta | figure out what your priorities are and adjust sliders appropriately, then you'll find out what you should be doing. |
| 02:48.54 | Jerub | okay, thanks. |
| 02:49.08 | Kraps_ | A-KO: not willing :p |
| 02:49.28 | ZorbaBeta | up through ulduar I was geared for threat and DPS because I was way overgeared and our GL wouldn't let us try hardmode, but now that we're doing HTOC25 I dumped all my expertise and threat and went back to pure stamina |
| 02:49.41 | Jerub | oh you have a beartank? |
| 02:49.59 | Lopeppeppy_ | rawrtank, fuzzy butt |
| 02:50.33 | A-KO | Kraps_: Also, you may want to look at wanting a more robust product if you need that sort of protection or even management. MSE, while being great for a free product, is pretty bare. It's a basic AV/Anti-Spyware, it connects to Microsoft's Spynet to include information on stuff you find (mind you, all modern AVs do that sort of thing). If you want anything more than that, like a managed product, combined firewall, etc. (Though the built-in Windows Firewall i |
| 02:50.35 | Jerub | I did ony25 in kitty yesterday. was my first ony, and a pug, and we nailed it first go (and I even survived!) |
| 02:50.59 | A-KO | I know we're using symantec endpoint protection at work for a huge massive rollout |
| 02:51.09 | ZorbaBeta | I'm warrior tank myself |
| 02:51.12 | A-KO | we're not using a domain so no way to manage MSE :( |
| 02:51.31 | Jerub | k. |
| 02:52.35 | Kraps_ | A-KO: this is just for my home pc, but i had a bit of a trojan scare so i'm looking to build avoidance/migitation |
| 02:52.36 | Jerub | A-KO: I have http av running with clamav, which is kinda neat. will scan files for viruses in flight and then block the malicious file and site. |
| 02:53.10 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: thanks :) |
| 02:53.13 | A-KO | Jerub: my perimeter firewall (Juniper NS5GT, EOL product) has a built-in AV that signature checks http/ftp/smtp/pop3 traffic :P in addition to MSE on my machine. |
| 02:53.29 | Jerub | I think I geared too damn fast because i hit 80 at the same time as patch 3.2, so I geared up faster than many of my guildmates, and now am at a level a little above them. |
| 02:54.08 | Jerub | I did a little too much heroic farming ;) |
| 02:54.24 | A-KO | Kraps_: ah, yeah. Also, I know you might seem this as blasphemous, but IE8 also ranks high for socially-engineered malware detection. Now, there are a million and one reasons to absolutely not touch IE8 but as far as finding sites that have potential malware (like, ad servers on legit sites that say you need to download super_antivirus.exe), it ranks the highest. |
| 02:54.32 | A-KO | I use Chrome personally |
| 02:54.44 | A-KO | but I've been pushing IE8 on the people I know are computer idiots |
| 02:55.02 | TC-Away | so....most people? |
| 02:55.02 | Jerub | I don't mind people using IE8. |
| 02:55.10 | Jerub | but I want to punch people in the face for using IE6 or 7. |
| 02:55.18 | A-KO | but IE8 is fucking slow on javascript |
| 02:55.19 | Kraps_ | <--- firefox |
| 02:55.24 | A-KO | so any sort of heavy web work you can't rely on it |
| 02:55.29 | A-KO | FF scores very low |
| 02:55.44 | A-KO | http://nsslabs.com/browser-security-malware-3Q2009 |
| 02:56.14 | Jerub | people are used to bad software. |
| 02:56.15 | A-KO | IE8 81%, FF3 27%, Safari 4 21%, Chrome 2 7%, Opera 10 1% :P |
| 02:56.36 | Jerub | I don't mind if the software is slow and crap for the user, that's their punishment for being a loser. |
| 02:56.43 | A-KO | lol |
| 02:56.46 | Jerub | for IE6 and 7 are bad for the INTERNET and that's serious business. |
| 02:57.13 | A-KO | Jerub: I would use IE8 on my work machine but the software we're using requires IE7 |
| 02:57.24 | A-KO | and apparently *insert big company name here* won't update it until next year |
| 02:57.27 | Jerub | A-KO: see, this is the kind of insanity that needs to be stomped out. |
| 02:57.32 | A-KO | when they do their *big giant software update* |
| 02:57.44 | A-KO | coughs, Symantec. |
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| 02:58.49 | Kraps_ | A-KO: that is utter fail, why would you compromise security just to keep symantec? |
| 02:58.57 | A-KO | eh |
| 02:59.30 | A-KO | there are many more security problems at work than whether or not I have IE7/8. I don't even think we're rolling out IE7 or 8 :P |
| 02:59.30 | Jerub | i assume this is software needed to manage symantec installations. |
| 02:59.36 | A-KO | yes |
| 02:59.38 | A-KO | yes it is |
| 02:59.59 | Jerub | cost of change is 99% of the time > cost of keeping existing, working, software. |
| 03:00.21 | A-KO | well, not much I can do about it, I asked them about it in a conference call |
| 03:00.27 | A-KO | that was about it |
| 03:00.33 | A-KO | got the word that they would likely make the change in their next update, early next year |
| 03:00.34 | A-KO | lol |
| 03:02.47 | Shirik | batrick: pong |
| 03:02.57 | batrick | Shirik: chess? I r bored. |
| 03:03.08 | ZorbaBeta | honestly, that's the point where it isn't "cost of change" vs "cost of keeping" |
| 03:03.11 | Shirik | batrick: I'm in a raid |
| 03:03.22 | ZorbaBeta | it's "cost of change" vs "cost of keeping software that has a history of having problems, with no reason to believe it will ever stop" |
| 03:03.24 | batrick | you make me sad; you know that shirik? |
| 03:03.28 | Shirik | sry |
| 03:03.31 | Shirik | go learn verilog |
| 03:03.33 | batrick | are not! |
| 03:03.59 | batrick | link me a good online reference to read and i may |
| 03:04.14 | Shirik | there is no good online reference :P |
| 03:04.17 | Shirik | I have a better one |
| 03:04.19 | Shirik | go learn C++ |
| 03:04.24 | batrick | fuck that |
| 03:04.52 | batrick | i'll piss away time in a less stressful manner, like learning brainfuck |
| 03:05.36 | Kraps_ | aw man! i got into evony and there are no boobs! what kinda false advertising is this? |
| 03:05.59 | Thunder_Child | batrick, v |
| 03:06.01 | Thunder_Child | http://vol.verilog.com/ |
| 03:06.04 | Thunder_Child | fail paste |
| 03:10.12 | batrick | Thunder_Child: ty |
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| 03:36.00 | batrick | many my wireless connection is so fragile that if I bend over closer to my screen to read fine text I lose my connection :( |
| 03:36.18 | batrick | wireless is here is so bad as clad can confirm :( |
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| 03:39.36 | NightHawkTheSane | "Rigatoni? Doctor, I'm part chinese and part hawaiian, can you put that in ethnic measurements I can understand?" |
| 03:39.50 | Kraps_ | like. whoa. dude http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyutwC_4USA&feature=channel |
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| 04:06.31 | Jerub | sighs. |
| 04:06.50 | Jerub | i feel like writing some kind of wow ui extension just to play with it, but i don't know what to write. |
| 04:07.00 | Jerub | there are too many good pieces of software alrady for all my problems ;) |
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| 04:11.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Just did an alt ToC10 |
| 04:11.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I went through 4 mana gems |
| 04:11.48 | ScytheBlade1 | On anub |
| 04:12.58 | cbreak | I'd hit enrage before I'd use that many, and I am arcane :) |
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| 04:16.04 | Jerub | i've yet to do the ToC raid. |
| 04:16.15 | Jerub | well, get past NR Beasts. |
| 04:16.23 | Jerub | I always end up in fail pug raids, and my guild doesn't do it. |
| 04:16.52 | Jerub | I tried to ask another guild nicely if I could join their 3rd 10ToC team for a month or two, and they thought I meant move my primary toon to their guild. :/ |
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| 04:26.06 | Corrodias | table of contents raid |
| 04:26.50 | NightHawkTheSane | chapter 5 was a bitch. |
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| 04:59.13 | NightHawkTheSane | HAH. http://twitter.com/wilshipley/status/4621300380 |
| 04:59.49 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: awesome. |
| 04:59.59 | Jerub | I ran into a mob that said the deckard cain lines a while back. |
| 05:00.06 | Jerub | in OL somewhere i think |
| 05:12.49 | Shirik | I don't get it |
| 05:14.20 | Thunder_Child | cain says "Stay awhile and listen" |
| 05:16.39 | Shirik | who's cain? |
| 05:16.45 | kd3 | deckard cain |
| 05:16.51 | kd3 | go play diablo |
| 05:16.57 | Shirik | nah |
| 05:17.01 | Shirik | never really got into diablo |
| 05:17.04 | Thunder_Child | major fail Shirik |
| 05:18.45 | Shirik | :< |
| 05:18.48 | Shirik | porque? |
| 05:19.06 | Shirik | el diablo es loco |
| 05:19.11 | Shirik | no me gusta |
| 05:20.28 | Shirik | Is there a more technical, generic term for moons? |
| 05:20.33 | Shirik | Or are they all just called moons |
| 05:20.46 | Shirik | like how the sun is called a star |
| 05:21.10 | Shirik | or maybe "large mass" like lumping planets and moons into the same category |
| 05:21.22 | kd3 | satellite |
| 05:21.29 | Shirik | hm |
| 05:21.31 | kd3 | rather, natural satellite |
| 05:21.38 | Shirik | that might work, might be too long though :/ |
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| 05:34.24 | Shirik | LMAO |
| 05:34.27 | Shirik | Killed heroic jaraxus |
| 05:34.29 | Shirik | on last attempt |
| 05:34.32 | Shirik | we win |
| 05:35.10 | Kraps | the batman game looks cool |
| 05:36.20 | NightHawkTheSane | ~failrik |
| 05:36.21 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 05:36.33 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:36.33 | Shirik | why fail |
| 05:36.35 | Shirik | we killed him |
| 05:36.47 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean re: deckard cain |
| 05:36.50 | NightHawkTheSane | he's like a geek icon. |
| 05:36.51 | Shirik | o |
| 05:41.43 | Shirik | well |
| 05:41.45 | Shirik | I guess I'm not a geek |
| 05:41.49 | Shirik | I can go find a girlfriend now? |
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| 05:50.31 | Jerub | Shirik: sorry, all the good ones are already taken by us geeks. |
| 05:51.08 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, go date one of your students |
| 05:51.17 | NightHawkTheSane | thats probably true, seeing as there's so few "good ones".. maybe ten or twenty.. in the world |
| 05:51.56 | Shirik | Thunder_Child... |
| 05:52.14 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, should i take that to mean they are all male? |
| 05:52.18 | Shirik | no |
| 05:52.25 | Shirik | but that's a bit... inappropriate |
| 05:52.47 | Thunder_Child | you would think so, but most schools dont have rules against it |
| 05:52.56 | Thunder_Child | i was rather surprised |
| 05:53.08 | Thunder_Child | they dont even have them at high schools |
| 05:53.09 | Jerub | a friend of mine recently got married to a woman who was his lecturer in one of my classes. |
| 05:53.11 | Thunder_Child | some anyway |
| 05:53.37 | Jerub | they had pretty strict rules about marking of assessment - all his stuff got marked by a coworker of the lecturer. |
| 05:54.02 | Jerub | they started dating about a week before he started that class you see :) |
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| 06:04.39 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure that falls under conflict of interest |
| 06:04.43 | Shirik | which I am required to report immediately |
| 06:05.45 | NightHawkTheSane | conflict of interest would be grading or otherwise evaluating someone you're in a relationship with. assuming thats avoided (a la the wy Jerub's friend did), its probably okay |
| 06:10.39 | Shirik | If I date one of my students... |
| 06:10.50 | Shirik | that would imply I'm evaluating her |
| 06:10.57 | Shirik | in more than one way, if you know what I mean ;) |
| 06:11.37 | Thunder_Child | so make it a former student |
| 06:12.02 | Thunder_Child | or evaluate one of your current students later. if i know what you mean. |
| 06:12.08 | NightHawkTheSane | oh yes, quite clever Shirik. |
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| 06:26.46 | Jerub | man, the QQ on forums about bliz releasing more content is so fucking weird. |
| 06:27.30 | NightHawkTheSane | people will bitch about everything and anything |
| 06:28.02 | Jerub | "OMG WOW IS GOING DOWN THE DRAIN BECAUSE [insert raid or instance or quest here] HAS GEAR THAT IS [overpowered/underpowered/hardtoget/easytoget] AND WOW IS TRYING TO APPEAL TO [casual gamers/pvp players/casual raids/hardcore raiders]" |
| 06:29.02 | NightHawkTheSane | hah. |
| 06:29.43 | Jerub | i'm like, 'awesome, more instances in 3.3' |
| 06:29.59 | Jerub | and they're like, 'omg QQ' |
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| 06:30.22 | Jerub | speaking of which, i'm going to seriously enjoy icecrown instances. |
| 06:30.42 | Jerub | heroic instances are too easy, H ToC is too simple but will wipe groups that aren't prepared. |
| 06:30.57 | NightHawkTheSane | i need to get back to playing before 3.3... |
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| 06:31.07 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: how long have you been away? |
| 06:31.13 | NightHawkTheSane | since just before 3.2 hit |
| 06:31.21 | NightHawkTheSane | so not real long |
| 06:31.24 | Jerub | NightHawkTheSane: do you have T8.5 gear? |
| 06:31.31 | Jerub | or any T8 at all? |
| 06:31.46 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, a few pieces. i think on average my gear is like ~219ish |
| 06:32.00 | Jerub | yeah, you'll be fine. |
| 06:32.12 | krka | Jerub: any thread in particular you mean? |
| 06:32.22 | Jerub | just after 3.2 hit all heroic farmers have at least 2 pieces of T8.5 (head and chest) |
| 06:32.24 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* yeah, i'm not real worried about the gear. I just want to get back into the routine of it |
| 06:32.45 | Jerub | krka: nothing left open in my browser. I ragequit the forum an hour ago. |
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| 07:07.26 | Wobin | http://www.ted.com/talks/arthur_ganson_makes_moving_sculpture.html |
| 07:07.30 | Wobin | old, but still awesome |
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| 07:29.45 | NeoTron | is not sure what to think about Aion. |
| 07:31.43 | Shirik | don't think |
| 07:31.53 | Corrodias | do or do not |
| 07:31.54 | Corrodias | there is no try |
| 07:32.01 | Shirik | ... |
| 07:32.07 | Shirik | it's sad we were both thinking of the same thing |
| 07:32.14 | Shirik | I was going to say "play or play not" though |
| 07:32.19 | Corrodias | heh heh |
| 07:32.31 | NeoTron | hehe |
| 07:32.40 | NeoTron | yoda quotes are always good |
| 07:33.43 | NeoTron | gathering and crafting is an insane timesink in aion for some reason. I guess to make it last longer. it's fricking boring however |
| 07:34.05 | industrial | i bought aion |
| 07:34.10 | industrial | then my gfx card broke |
| 07:34.12 | industrial | karma? |
| 07:34.19 | Corrodias | probably. sinner. |
| 07:34.19 | NeoTron | that could make it hard to play |
| 07:34.31 | industrial | guess theres no osx client? :p |
| 07:34.34 | NeoTron | I might have stabbed myself in the foot by playing a cleric though |
| 07:34.36 | industrial | still have the macbook |
| 07:34.42 | NeoTron | nope |
| 07:34.46 | industrial | :< |
| 07:35.03 | NeoTron | soloing is slow and the friend I've been playing with happens to play a templar, which is a tank |
| 07:35.10 | NeoTron | so combined out DPS is ~= that of a normal dpser |
| 07:35.19 | industrial | no aoe/ |
| 07:35.24 | NeoTron | no |
| 07:35.28 | NeoTron | well I have none. |
| 07:35.31 | industrial | I'm going to play a roguey type I think |
| 07:35.33 | Corrodias | no will to live? |
| 07:35.46 | NeoTron | however my ability to live is rather impressive |
| 07:36.30 | NeoTron | just reached my first group content today. did a few quests with my friend and another pug cleric |
| 07:36.44 | NeoTron | so still no dps, but at least it worked :P |
| 07:37.17 | NeoTron | still, the fact that crafting and gathering is such a timesink is clearly part of the "grind" |
| 07:37.50 | NeoTron | from the first point I think crafting leveling is slower than the last point in any craft in WoW |
| 07:39.09 | Jerub | wow craft levellingis about the mats. |
| 07:41.11 | NeoTron | in Aion you can actually level without mats (workorders - have to buy stuff to complete the recipies on the other hand) |
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| 07:41.30 | Corrodias | does that mean it's -just- a time/click sink? |
| 07:42.59 | Jerub | i think puzzlepirates is the only game that gets it right for crafting. |
| 07:45.18 | NeoTron | yes |
| 07:45.35 | NeoTron | basically you go to the quest guy, pick up the work order, buy whatever is needed from the vendor a few steps away |
| 07:45.48 | NeoTron | then go to the forge / kitchen / whatever and open the crafting UI and "make all" |
| 07:45.57 | NeoTron | then you wait a few minutes and turn it in |
| 07:46.09 | NeoTron | it's not much clicking but a lot of time, and cash |
| 07:46.48 | NeoTron | I tried it. Got to like 20/100 (max is 500 I believe) and then said screw it. this is retarded |
| 07:47.32 | ZorbaBeta | I've been pondering a crafting game where crafting is fun |
| 07:47.42 | ZorbaBeta | and where there isn't a generic "crafting game" for each thing in its category |
| 07:48.12 | ZorbaBeta | I feel like crafting a suit of full plate should somehow feel different from crafting a thousand cannonballs, and that's something Puzzle Pirates gets wrong (though it's better than any other I've seen) |
| 07:49.57 | Corrodias | it may not be possible for crafting to be fun. i mean, if it really were like making things, then it would be like a factory of manual labor job, which would blow |
| 07:49.57 | NeoTron | I liked SWG |
| 07:49.59 | NeoTron | really did |
| 07:50.12 | Corrodias | if it were like something else entirely... then how is it crafting? |
| 07:50.20 | NeoTron | except that I think it'd been better if the special metals or what not wasn't necessary |
| 07:50.29 | Corrodias | what did swg do? |
| 07:50.31 | ZorbaBeta | corrodias, I don't agree with that. I mean, look at The Sims. |
| 07:50.38 | NeoTron | well first of all all materials had quality |
| 07:50.46 | NeoTron | and crafting tools/crafting stations had qualities |
| 07:50.55 | ZorbaBeta | there's an old game called Night Shift where you worked as the sole tech in a gigantic six-story-tall dollmaking machine built from garbage |
| 07:51.00 | NeoTron | you could fail to craft but if you succeeded your items where better, the better ingredients you used |
| 07:51.06 | ZorbaBeta | you ran up and down the machine trying to keep it running and protecting it from lemmings and lawyers |
| 07:51.09 | ZorbaBeta | it was incredibly fun |
| 07:51.25 | NeoTron | it was fun because you didn't just gather mats, hit button and get an item clone out |
| 07:51.37 | NeoTron | you had to put time and effort into making the best items |
| 07:51.38 | Corrodias | i don't know how the sims did crafting |
| 07:51.43 | ZorbaBeta | I think there's potential for a similar game - you build a machine designed to assemble arrowheads/suits of armor/whatever, and you start it up, and you keep it from falling apart |
| 07:51.48 | ZorbaBeta | corrodias, no, I mean, look at the game itself |
| 07:51.52 | ZorbaBeta | "if it really were like making things, then it would be like a factory of manual labor job, which would blow" |
| 07:51.59 | ZorbaBeta | The Sims is a game about people who do nothing special whatsoever |
| 07:52.09 | ZorbaBeta | if The Sims is fun, then it's certainly possible to make a crafting game fun |
| 07:52.12 | Corrodias | okay, so i was saying it from -my- perspective |
| 07:52.15 | Corrodias | i don't like the sims |
| 07:52.32 | Corrodias | besides, the sims is very little like real life |
| 07:52.51 | ZorbaBeta | and the Crafting Game doesn't have to bear more than a cursory resemblance to realistic production ;) |
| 07:52.55 | Corrodias | the sim goes off to his job, but they gloss over the part where he fails miserably at it and makes no money for me to buy him stupid items with |
| 07:53.06 | Corrodias | that's, like, exactly what i was saying, yes, thank you. >_> |
| 07:54.18 | NeoTron | Corrodias: oddly enough another thing I liked in SWG was prospecting |
| 07:54.41 | NeoTron | basically driving around on a planet trying to find a spot with a good concentration of <whatever> to place my mining equipment on |
| 07:54.54 | NeoTron | you dodn't gather manually, you had machines to do it (while afk and stuff) |
| 07:54.59 | Corrodias | interesting |
| 07:55.14 | NeoTron | just had to find free spots with even ground and high concentration |
| 07:55.38 | NeoTron | SWG did a lot of stuff wrong but crafting and gathering was the most fun I've seen |
| 07:55.45 | NeoTron | now it did become like a job eventually but it was fun |
| 07:56.06 | ZorbaBeta | neo, one thing I've always been thinking about wrt largescale production in MMOs is to allow reasonable-quality bulk production |
| 07:56.21 | ZorbaBeta | but then "high-quality" production has to be done manually. or have some other bonus for handling it personally. |
| 07:56.33 | NeoTron | oh right |
| 07:56.37 | NeoTron | there were factories too |
| 07:56.46 | NeoTron | you made a schematic, not an item |
| 07:56.53 | NeoTron | then plopped the schematic + mats into the factory |
| 07:57.05 | NeoTron | or rather you could do either a schematic or an item |
| 07:57.11 | NeoTron | but ech item made would be different |
| 07:58.02 | NeoTron | ah well tired. need to sleep. nite |
| 07:59.19 | Corrodias | in phantasy star universe, you craft items by giving a schematic (board) and materials to your little helper dude. you improve his chances of success by levelling him up by feeding him items... but the game is pretty shallow |
| 07:59.49 | Dagmar | Is that what they're calling PSO now or is it entirely separate? |
| 07:59.51 | Corrodias | that's like the most complex part of the whole thing. |
| 07:59.54 | Corrodias | it's a newer game |
| 07:59.56 | Dagmar | Okay |
| 08:00.08 | Dagmar | It looked like PSO when I saw it, so I couldn't tell if they just renamed it or what |
| 08:00.11 | Dagmar | It's an arcade game |
| 08:00.41 | Corrodias | PSU's combat portion is very much like an arcade game |
| 08:00.47 | Dagmar | It's not *bad* for all the flashy sparkly, but I am actually suprised to hear it's got crafting |
| 08:01.11 | Dagmar | Yeah this is why the videos I saw made me suspect it was just PSO renamed and spiffed up a little |
| 08:01.33 | Corrodias | i enjoyed it for a couple of weeks, during an "event", which was just 3 or 4 levels they opened that give something like 500% the normal experience |
| 08:02.03 | Corrodias | after that, the population evaporated and you were left with the prospect of playing through a map 10 times to get a level with no particular motivation to do so |
| 08:02.17 | Corrodias | *i was left |
| 08:02.25 | Dagmar | Yeah this is why I felt like it was an arcade game |
| 08:02.36 | Dagmar | There wasn't any motivation beyond goign "WHOOHOO! WHACK EM!" |
| 08:03.26 | Corrodias | my internet friends keep playing city of heroes quite a bit |
| 08:04.03 | Corrodias | although overall, i think WoW pretty much defined for my taste everything an mmorpg could hope for, and once i thoroughly experienced it, i was done with it and the genre. |
| 08:04.23 | Dagmar | I don't quite get those people. |
| 08:04.41 | Dagmar | The game is cool and all, but I'm sorry, I'm just not that "invested" in my toon as some storytelling construct |
| 08:04.56 | Shirik | You know |
| 08:04.57 | Dagmar | ...and I *really* don't understand the fascination with going to an in-game nightclub and "dancing" |
| 08:05.09 | Shirik | Despite the fact that you can't release an addon under GPL without a commercial linking exception |
| 08:05.16 | Shirik | I don't care, if you want to use GPL that's fine |
| 08:05.24 | Shirik | but could you at least take the time and not include stuff like this? |
| 08:05.26 | Shirik | <program> Copyright (C) <year> <name of author> |
| 08:05.37 | Shirik | When I read that in a license, I just sit there and go "wtf" |
| 08:05.40 | Dagmar | Why wouldn't you? |
| 08:05.50 | Dagmar | It's still copyrighted, even if you don't include the notice. |
| 08:06.02 | Dagmar | It's just "the thing" coding instructors tell people to do on the first day |
| 08:06.06 | Shirik | no |
| 08:06.09 | Shirik | that's not what I mean |
| 08:06.09 | Corrodias | that's an interesting point, Dagmar, these people are very fanfic oriented kind of people |
| 08:06.14 | Shirik | I mean that is literally what they put there |
| 08:06.22 | Shirik | couldn't you just fill in the blanks? |
| 08:06.24 | Shirik | It takes 2 seconds |
| 08:06.28 | Corrodias | one of my friends of that group had to think up a justification for him re-doing something in Spore from a story perspective |
| 08:06.37 | Dagmar | Oh they left the template there? Hahah that's funny |
| 08:06.59 | Shirik | oh and |
| 08:07.00 | Shirik | <one line to give the program's name and a brief idea of what it does.> |
| 08:07.01 | Shirik | Copyright (C) <year> <name of author> |
| 08:07.01 | Corrodias | lol |
| 08:07.17 | Dagmar | "fanfic people". Yes, I think that sums it up nicely. |
| 08:07.17 | Dagmar | I'm seeing the same thing in Champions Online |
| 08:07.31 | Dagmar | ...although there's still an equal helping of unqualified "experts" |
| 08:07.36 | Corrodias | not necessarily the bad sort of fanfic that makes eyes bleed, though i've never read it |
| 08:07.44 | Corrodias | all i mean is, creative types |
| 08:07.46 | Dagmar | Like, "well I liked such-and-such class, but it's damage was sub-par" |
| 08:08.46 | Dagmar | There's no damage meters to speak of, and mostly you've got an "energy gain" attack that fills your energy bar in seconds, a few "big" attacks that use it up, and most classes have a *heavy hitter* that just kills everything except bosses in a shot |
| 08:09.10 | Dagmar | It's not even like there's discrete classes. You can apparently pick and choose from just about every class |
| 08:09.27 | Dagmar | Since I'm a freaking purist, I've just gone fully "Gadgeteer" on my main there. |
| 08:09.38 | Shirik | lua> 1/0 |
| 08:09.39 | lua_bot | Shirik: inf |
| 08:09.43 | Shirik | lua> 1/-0 |
| 08:09.43 | lua_bot | Shirik: -inf |
| 08:09.50 | Shirik | Why should 1/-0 be -inf? |
| 08:10.08 | Dagmar | I've got bots that turn into gun turrets and shoot everything in sight, a bot that goes up and kicks things in the shins, an area effect GUN, a glue grenade, and the "heavy hitter" is an ORBITAL CANNON. |
| 08:10.21 | Dagmar | A great big bolt of laser comes down from the sky and blows crap away |
| 08:10.44 | Corrodias | x/-y = -x/y |
| 08:10.49 | Corrodias | lua> -1/0 |
| 08:10.50 | lua_bot | Corrodias: -inf |
| 08:10.52 | Dagmar | There's no way to come up with "sub-par" as a rational description because there's not really any "par" to begin with |
| 08:11.53 | Corrodias | some machine representations don't have a -0, but some do. i think it's meaningless in math, but so is 1/0. |
| 08:14.08 | Dagmar | I think it *might* enable the computer to be able to kind of glide by places where the usual way it does calculations would fail when being presented with an outright zero in a bad place |
| 08:14.34 | Dagmar | ...since signedness is generally just another bit. |
| 08:15.02 | Dagmar | I couldn't for the life of me cite such a case off the top of my head, but then I would have never guessed lua would return -inf |
| 08:17.05 | Shirik | "Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation" yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation. |
| 08:17.08 | Shirik | my head hurts. |
| 08:17.45 | Dagmar | It's all those politicians. |
| 08:17.55 | Dagmar | They've got you trained to believe that english doesn't follow logic. |
| 08:18.05 | Dagmar | ...becuase they never make any damn sense. |
| 08:18.27 | Dagmar | A paradox isn't impossible, it's just a paradox. |
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| 08:18.42 | Shirik | my head just hurts |
| 08:19.00 | Shirik | didn't say it was impossible :P |
| 08:19.28 | Shirik | well it is in fact a paradox |
| 08:19.46 | Dagmar | Nah, it's just a logical argument. |
| 08:20.04 | Dagmar | Validity and truth are separate things. |
| 08:23.21 | Corrodias | that's right enough |
| 08:23.34 | Dagmar | I had an entire class dedicated to that sort of thing in college. |
| 08:23.44 | Dagmar | Sadly, probably one of the MOST useful classes I had where I went. |
| 08:23.51 | Dagmar | Elementary logic and critical thinking. |
| 08:24.07 | Corrodias | i should have had a class like that |
| 08:24.13 | Corrodias | everyone should have to take a class like that >_> |
| 08:24.15 | Dagmar | All colleges should. |
| 08:24.43 | Dagmar | Politicians would get away with a lot less bullshit if they did. |
| 08:25.18 | Dagmar | Literally the whole focus of the class was how to take an argument, break it down into it's premises, and determine it's truth or validity based on logical operations you can apply to the premises. |
| 08:26.10 | Dagmar | Beyond knowing enough about the words to be able invert and obvert their meanings properly, you barely had to be able to keep up with the actual argument. |
| 08:31.08 | Dagmar | *giggle* I still have a vague memory of the prof asking what one particular fallacy was, and I just called it "a bald-faced lie" |
| 08:31.10 | Shirik | heh |
| 08:31.15 | Shirik | wikipedia is awesome |
| 08:31.35 | Shirik | after researching this for a bit, I have come across a way to prove all logic propositions as true |
| 08:31.44 | Dagmar | Oh no you've not |
| 08:31.50 | Corrodias | OH SNAP |
| 08:32.10 | Dagmar | To prove that the chain is valid, you have to be able to do two separate operations on a premise |
| 08:32.21 | Shirik | Assume R is the set of all sets which are not members of themselves. |
| 08:32.36 | Dagmar | You can't just go "the inverse of this argument is true so it must be as well" and run with it |
| 08:32.47 | Shirik | Try to prove some arbitrary proposition Q |
| 08:33.34 | Dagmar | A non-sequitir is still a logical fallacy, even if trolls love it. |
| 08:33.53 | Corrodias | suddenly orgasms |
| 08:33.58 | Wobin | And monkey dishwasher carousel |
| 08:34.03 | Corrodias | oh sorry, i'm just enjoying my two new monitors so much |
| 08:34.03 | Dagmar | steps away |
| 08:34.07 | Shirik | We know that R and ~R are both true. Accordingly, because R is true, R v Q must also be true. Because ~R is true, R v Q n ~R must be true. By disjunctive syllogism, this means that Q must be true. |
| 08:34.29 | Dagmar | Someone's already probably shown the flaw there in WIkipedia |
| 08:34.29 | krka | assuming R even exists |
| 08:34.34 | Shirik | yes |
| 08:34.39 | Shirik | wikipedia told me how to do it obviously |
| 08:34.49 | Shirik | I wouldn't come up with something like that on my own |
| 08:34.56 | Shirik | my brain is not messed up enough |
| 08:35.03 | Corrodias | i don't know what a set that isn't a member of itself is |
| 08:35.03 | krka | awww, sure it is! |
| 08:35.07 | Dagmar | Normal people wouldn't come up with that on their own. |
| 08:35.25 | Corrodias | or how a set can be true or false |
| 08:35.33 | Dagmar | It does highlight that there's a problem with concepts that can't exist. |
| 08:35.35 | Shirik | Corrodias: here |
| 08:35.39 | krka | wait... is R both a set and a truth value? |
| 08:35.56 | Dagmar | *ding* |
| 08:35.59 | Dagmar | it's circular |
| 08:36.06 | Dagmar | bounces up and down |
| 08:36.13 | Shirik | This is the example I was shown Corrodias |
| 08:36.19 | Shirik | Assume T is the set of teacups |
| 08:36.27 | Dagmar | I'll have to dig into WP later this week and bust that one |
| 08:36.31 | Corrodias | teacups are inherently full of lies, and thus false |
| 08:36.34 | Shirik | consider ~T, which is everything that is not a teacup |
| 08:36.38 | Shirik | ~T is a member of ~T |
| 08:36.39 | purl | ...but t is already something else... |
| 08:36.48 | Wobin | looks into his mug |
| 08:36.51 | Dagmar | cheers for purl! |
| 08:37.09 | Shirik | krka: I don't know :) |
| 08:37.12 | Dagmar | Circular. |
| 08:37.13 | Shirik | I'm just reading and copying |
| 08:37.23 | Corrodias | ~T is a member of ~T because everything it contains is also in ~T? |
| 08:37.25 | purl | ...but t is already something else... |
| 08:37.33 | Dagmar | The bot has a point. |
| 08:37.49 | Shirik | Corrodias: ~T is a member of ~T because ~T is not a teacup |
| 08:37.50 | Dagmar | Corrodias: Yes but it can't be for the purpose of the argument |
| 08:38.06 | Dagmar | It makes the argument you make to try to prove it, circular logic. |
| 08:38.09 | Corrodias | oh, okay, so T is also a member of ~T? |
| 08:38.14 | Shirik | yes |
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| 08:38.21 | Shirik | but the elements inside T are not members of ~T |
| 08:38.25 | Shirik | T itself is |
| 08:38.28 | Corrodias | got it |
| 08:38.30 | Dagmar | But T is separate from T |
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| 08:38.46 | Dagmar | Otherwise you're just saying T equals T |
| 08:38.48 | Corrodias | it's what? |
| 08:38.58 | Corrodias | i'm pretty sure T = T, yes |
| 08:39.11 | Dagmar | This is a circular argument. |
| 08:39.18 | Corrodias | now, how is R defined as true or false? |
| 08:39.19 | Shirik | it's an axiom |
| 08:39.20 | Dagmar | Thing A can't be used to prove the existance of thing A. |
| 08:39.40 | Corrodias | i didn't say T has to exist. if T = T, and T doesn't exist, then T doesn't exist either. |
| 08:39.47 | Shirik | Corrodias: That one I'm not sure of. I think I confused two instances of "R" |
| 08:39.51 | Dagmar | As an abstract |
| 08:39.55 | Shirik | let us change it to R being the set, and P being a proposition |
| 08:40.01 | Shirik | P being the proposition "R contains itself" |
| 08:40.08 | Corrodias | teacups cannot be true or false; they're just teacups |
| 08:40.10 | Shirik | P is both true and false |
| 08:40.21 | Corrodias | a design or a physical object, neither has correctness |
| 08:40.22 | Shirik | which leads to the flaw |
| 08:40.30 | krka | lua> R = {} R[1] = R |
| 08:40.31 | lua_bot | krka: No output |
| 08:40.32 | Dagmar | Corrodias: We have a teacup and a teacup. |
| 08:40.40 | Dagmar | Stay with me, this might actually make sense. |
| 08:40.43 | Shirik | krka: That's cheating |
| 08:40.47 | Corrodias | R contains itself? let me think... |
| 08:40.54 | Shirik | it might |
| 08:41.03 | Shirik | but as soon as you prove it does, then it does not |
| 08:41.12 | Dagmar | ...but to do anything with this teacup, it can't actually be an abstract teacup. |
| 08:41.20 | Shirik | R is the set of sets that are not members of themselves |
| 08:41.26 | Corrodias | ah |
| 08:41.27 | Shirik | so as soon as R becomes a member of itself, it is no longer a member of itself |
| 08:41.41 | Dagmar | Another hint that it's circular |
| 08:41.44 | Corrodias | one of those "this sentence is false" things. that's nice. |
| 08:42.02 | Dagmar | Some of the stuff would make you swear HP Lovecraft was involved. |
| 08:43.03 | Dagmar | Concepts which are just _alien_ but somehow take shape in your head anyway |
| 08:43.39 | Dagmar | If there were ever to be a meme that would kill you, it would come from that discipline. |
| 08:44.04 | Wobin | hehe, ala The Ringgu? =) |
| 08:44.10 | Dagmar | Yeah pretty much |
| 08:44.22 | Dagmar | Except it would just be a chain of logic statements. |
| 08:44.42 | Wobin | and following it to the logical conclusion would open a dimensional nexus and suck you into eternity |
| 08:45.05 | Dagmar | Well, I was thinking more along the lines of something you could engrave in a really dense metal and leave for future races to find... |
| 08:45.08 | Shirik | how do you get sucked into eternity? |
| 08:45.14 | Dagmar | ...and then start fleeing as fast as they can. |
| 08:45.16 | Wobin | Shirik, painfully |
| 08:45.23 | Shirik | isn't eternity more of a concept? |
| 08:45.29 | Shirik | than an actual object? |
| 08:45.49 | Wobin | well... if you can conceptualise eternity... chances are you won't survive the experience very long |
| 08:45.57 | Shirik | I mean I guess it could be like relativity where if you to the speed of light you become infinitely long |
| 08:46.06 | Wobin | and doing so will hurt a lot |
| 08:46.17 | Dagmar | There are occult stuffs that obsess over that for visualization purposes. |
| 08:46.19 | Dagmar | They're not pleasant. |
| 08:46.37 | Shirik | I mean |
| 08:46.41 | Shirik | if you said sucked into a wormhole |
| 08:46.47 | Shirik | I could understand it |
| 08:46.55 | Shirik | but sucked into eternity? |
| 08:46.59 | Dagmar | A wormhole of the Rene Descarte type |
| 08:47.34 | Dagmar | Intelligent minds would find it, and be destroyed by it. |
| 08:48.07 | Wobin | It's more, like, as we cannot yet visualise more than a few dimensions at a time, the act of attaining the ability would completely destroy us =) |
| 08:48.11 | Dagmar | It would probably be getting carried away to suggest that such a thing might be The Terrible Secret of Space |
| 08:48.20 | Wobin | pushes Dagmar down the stairs. |
| 08:48.25 | Dagmar | Wobin: I never got past five |
| 08:48.34 | Dagmar | ...four would make me break a sweat sometimes |
| 08:48.37 | Wobin | Dagmar, yeah, my mind sort of shuts down at that point |
| 08:48.46 | Wobin | self protection, perhaps! |
| 08:48.50 | Dagmar | Dunno. |
| 08:49.07 | Shirik | I saw a four dimensional cube on wikipedia |
| 08:49.11 | Dagmar | I definitely felt my brain melting trying to figure out that 28 dimension theory the surfer in Cali came up with a few years ago |
| 08:49.13 | Shirik | it looked fun |
| 08:49.21 | Wobin | We abstract out difficult to visualise concepts |
| 08:49.22 | Shirik | of course, it was a 2d representation of it |
| 08:49.22 | Dagmar | A hypercube. |
| 08:49.39 | Dagmar | Yeah the abstractions make them tolerable. |
| 08:49.45 | Wobin | because to fully behold it, we need a different level of observation |
| 08:49.55 | Dagmar | ...one with no connection to our normal senses. |
| 08:51.19 | Dagmar | Slaugherhouse Five was a good example of the alienness of that |
| 08:51.32 | krka | Shirik: does the set of sets with an even number of content include itself? |
| 08:51.54 | Shirik | there's a fun one |
| 08:51.58 | Dagmar | Shirik must drink! |
| 08:52.37 | Dagmar | If you thought "Questions" was an evil game, there's philosophy students who'll make you run screaming |
| 08:53.04 | Wobin | http://www.wefeelfine.org/index.html is a pretty awesome project |
| 08:53.42 | Shirik | you know |
| 08:53.53 | Shirik | I think quantnum physicists really are just fucking with us |
| 08:54.15 | Shirik | Like they know all their stuff is a pile of BS and are just saying "what else can we make them believe in..." |
| 08:54.25 | Shirik | How do you comprehend something that has negative mass |
| 08:54.35 | Shirik | how do you even think about that |
| 08:55.09 | Shirik | I'm reading up on wormholes now, and there was this discussion of "Einstein proposed this kind of wormhole, but it was later shown that it would just collapse instantly when it formed." |
| 08:55.21 | Shirik | it continues with "The obvious solution is to hold it open with an object of negative mass" |
| 08:55.48 | Wobin | well.. -obvoiously- =P |
| 08:56.37 | krka | your mom is an object with negative mass! |
| 08:56.57 | Wobin | I guess, as the wormhold doesn't precisely pass through 'normal' space, it'd have to be propped open with material from the universe through which it has a presence |
| 08:57.16 | Wobin | er, wormhole |
| 08:57.32 | Dagmar | I actually think I remember reading a short Sf story about a "deadly thought" |
| 08:57.53 | Wobin | without the presence of the non-present matter, there'd be nothing to hold the wormhole in existance |
| 08:58.01 | Dagmar | The setup was a particular field of physics research was somehow subject to an alarmingly high number of suicides |
| 08:58.14 | Wobin | Dagmar, kind of like the 'Funniest Joke Ever'? |
| 08:58.21 | Dagmar | Something like that |
| 08:58.52 | Dagmar | The overall idea was that humanity was a petri dish, and thinking about certain aspects of physics that would allow them to escape it caused human minds to self destruct |
| 08:59.40 | Wobin | Reaching enlightenment, so to speak |
| 09:00.02 | Dagmar | Well, reaching the bleach ring in the agar, conceptually |
| 09:00.25 | Dagmar | If you grow something potentially nasty in a dish, you make sure it can't get out |
| 09:00.52 | Wobin | although for most cultures in a dish, it's not self awareness that makes it reach the bleach ring |
| 09:01.00 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 09:01.20 | Wobin | cause then it'd grow -up- and -over- the bleach ring =) |
| 09:02.44 | Dagmar | Yeah the last victim before he offed himself posited about what might happen if they decided to sterilize the dish |
| 09:05.03 | Arrowmaster | http://www.tqcast.com/2009/10/ps3-slim-for-under-250-good-luck-pspgo/ |
| 09:05.07 | Arrowmaster | damn thats cheap |
| 09:05.26 | Wobin | yeah, but I've heard bad reviews of the ps3slim |
| 09:05.29 | Arrowmaster | too bad theres nothing on ps3 |
| 09:05.35 | sioraiocht | oh god, I saw set theory paradoxes |
| 09:05.39 | sioraiocht | ignore them, just use category theory |
| 09:05.52 | Arrowmaster | ps3slim doesnt support linux, so no clustering of cheap consoles |
| 09:06.17 | Shirik | Dagmar: That's an interesting topic though |
| 09:06.41 | Shirik | it seems that all our search for extraterrestrial life seems to be made with the assumption that other beings would be on the same order as us |
| 09:06.48 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 09:06.55 | Shirik | for example, have the same senses, be of the same size, or whatever |
| 09:06.58 | Wobin | we're sending out radio signals |
| 09:07.04 | Wobin | and assuming they can interpret them |
| 09:07.44 | Shirik | for all we know, we could be in flatland (for those of you that have read that book) and there's tons of "other people" floating around us on a daily basis |
| 09:07.54 | Shirik | that we simply can't see because we can't see in that "direction" |
| 09:08.23 | krka | maybe it's time for you to sleep |
| 09:08.30 | Shirik | I think you're probably right |
| 09:08.38 | Shirik | it's hard to sleep in FL with no AC |
| 09:09.26 | Dagmar | Yeah for all we know leptons might be intelligent life |
| 09:09.54 | Dagmar | They're "there" one moment, then the next they're "not there", then the next they're "there" again... |
| 09:10.39 | krka | hd2slpinflwthnac |
| 09:10.49 | Dagmar | They could be skimming back and forth between orders of organization |
| 09:11.09 | Wobin | You know what? |
| 09:11.23 | Wobin | I bet it's some alien life form's manifestation of focus |
| 09:11.24 | krka | uh what? leptons go from there to not there? |
| 09:11.28 | Wobin | They're watching cable |
| 09:11.33 | Wobin | and it's channel flipping |
| 09:11.51 | krka | my electrons are fairly stable |
| 09:12.04 | Dagmar | Leptons aren't electrons |
| 09:12.20 | krka | the reverse is true |
| 09:12.32 | Dagmar | heheh |
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| 09:13.13 | Corrodias | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UXAF-CUmIA |
| 09:22.05 | Shirik | Dagmar: Are you trying to imply that my use of the computer is due to me shoving a million living creatures through tiny pipes at high rates of speed? |
| 09:22.18 | Shirik | i.e., there really are gnomes inside the computer that make it work |
| 09:22.31 | Dagmar | Maybe parts of them. |
| 09:22.36 | Dagmar | ...on a level they don't really notice. |
| 09:22.55 | Shirik | heh |
| 09:23.07 | Cide | a recent thesis by the inventor of the game of life (conway) says that if we have free will, so do subatomic particles |
| 09:23.13 | Dagmar | Or you know, we could be going all Star Trek about it and unknowingly be ripping huge chunks of reality out in someone else's continuum. |
| 09:23.15 | Cide | so the question boils down to... do we have a free will? |
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| 09:24.07 | Shirik | that's always bugged me |
| 09:24.11 | Shirik | how does one make a decision |
| 09:24.36 | Shirik | I would like to think of there being one primary cell that does the "thinking" |
| 09:24.39 | Sentri | i think it's based on previous experiences and happenings |
| 09:24.41 | Shirik | but certainly that's not true |
| 09:24.48 | Dagmar | If you've read Anathem, there's a whole 'nother way of looking at it |
| 09:24.50 | Shirik | like when you talk to yourself in your head |
| 09:24.56 | Shirik | who is doing the talking? |
| 09:25.01 | Wobin | I've picked up that book a few times |
| 09:25.06 | Wobin | but never got around to reading it |
| 09:25.11 | Shirik | I really have to go to sleep |
| 09:25.13 | Shirik | baibai |
| 09:25.17 | Dagmar | There's some we-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-ird stuff in it. |
| 09:26.13 | Sentri | what book? :o |
| 09:27.58 | Dagmar | Anathem |
| 09:34.05 | Corrodias | there's weeeeeeird stuff in my butt |
| 09:34.12 | Corrodias | you want to read THAT? |
| 09:34.50 | Wobin | blinks |
| 09:35.07 | Wobin | er.. no? |
| 09:35.14 | Corrodias | wrong answer |
| 09:35.19 | Wobin | er.. no? |
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| 09:54.36 | ZorbaBeta | cide, I think it all comes down to a definition of what a soul is. I think it's rather unarguable that if we *do* have a soul, such "soul" is capable of moving around subatomic particles in some way. I don't think it would necessarily be right to claim that subatomic particles themselves have free will, though |
| 09:58.20 | Corrodias | my soul is always bumping into quarks and shit |
| 10:01.51 | ZorbaBeta | my soul got mugged by a gluon :( |
| 10:04.34 | Sentri | what if our soul is like a bee in a jar, and life is just a side effect of it "bumping into quarks and shit" |
| 10:07.05 | ZorbaBeta | sentri, the thing I've always found curious was the idea that neurons have evolved to "capture" some kind of thing which is external to our universe and has some very rudimentary consciousness/free will, and what we call "soul" is the result of all these things working together in a hivemind |
| 10:07.19 | ZorbaBeta | there is obviously absolutely no evidence for this though |
| 10:07.42 | A-KO | A 'soul' is nothing more than our own awareness of our own self consciousness |
| 10:08.07 | Corrodias | but the fact that we can murder each other over differences in these baseless assumptions is a sign of the highest form of intelligence. |
| 10:08.16 | ZorbaBeta | still, it'd give a plausible explanation for real free will and self-awareness, allow for a predictable physical universe, and explain how physical damage affects consciousness |
| 10:09.05 | Wobin | eh a soul is just a construct to allow us to not fear death to the same degree |
| 10:09.38 | Wobin | without a 'soul' there is no continuity after death |
| 10:10.10 | Wobin | I'm probably more convinced of the id, than a specific container of a 'soul' |
| 10:10.37 | sioraiocht | haste: how do you say "you're welcome" in norwegian? |
| 10:10.51 | Wobin | sioraiocht, A big smooch on the lips =) |
| 10:11.04 | sioraiocht | Wobin: ja, takk =p |
| 10:11.31 | Wobin | Actually, I'm mixing my definitions. I'm probably more convinced of the collective human subconscious than individual 'soul's |
| 10:12.42 | Wobin | sioraiocht, Unnskyld |
| 10:12.59 | Wobin | bah |
| 10:13.01 | Wobin | that's excuse me |
| 10:13.02 | sioraiocht | Wobin: isn't that excuse me? |
| 10:13.02 | Wobin | Vær så god. |
| 10:13.03 | sioraiocht | =p |
| 10:13.17 | Wobin | http://www.transparent.com/languagepages/norwegian/nophrases.htm |
| 10:15.03 | sioraiocht | takk =) |
| 10:15.10 | Wobin | Vær så god =) |
| 10:19.02 | haste | sioraiocht: you might want to say: "bare hyggelig" as well |
| 10:19.13 | haste | sioraiocht: vær så god is more for when you give something |
| 10:19.16 | sioraiocht | haste: ah, what's the difference? |
| 10:19.23 | sioraiocht | ah, okay |
| 10:19.32 | sioraiocht | that's like gjörðu svo vel, then |
| 10:19.46 | Wobin | interesting |
| 10:19.53 | haste | "bare hyggelig" is better when you do something for others, and they thank you for it |
| 10:19.59 | sioraiocht | haste: ah! |
| 10:20.03 | Wobin | chinese has a similar sort of thing. There's a different 'thank you' if you're thanking for giving something |
| 10:20.40 | sioraiocht | gjörðu svo vel means "here you are", "go ahead", "after you" |
| 10:20.53 | sioraiocht | pretty much anything courteous that's not "thank you" or "you're welcome" or "please" |
| 10:20.56 | haste | yes, that's much more correct for vær så god |
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| 10:24.33 | Sentri | why did you start talking about norwegian llanguage all of a sudden? :D |
| 10:24.49 | haste | languages in general are very interesting |
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| 10:25.47 | sioraiocht | Sentri: well, i needed a norwegian phrase |
| 10:26.05 | sioraiocht | but norewgian is similar to icelandic |
| 10:26.05 | sioraiocht | which I speak |
| 10:26.18 | sioraiocht | I can read some norewgian, and some nynorsk dialects sound similar to icelandic in some ways |
| 10:26.36 | sioraiocht | although bokmål is impenetrable, soundwise |
| 10:26.56 | Sentri | yeah, i've heard of it |
| 10:27.18 | sioraiocht | Sentri: how much estonian can you understand? any? |
| 10:27.21 | haste | speaks pretty close to bokmål. |
| 10:27.49 | sioraiocht | haste: Which is probably what Danish would sound like if Danes knew how to speak = |
| 10:27.49 | sioraiocht | =p |
| 10:28.16 | sioraiocht | and had a pitch accent instead of the stød |
| 10:28.22 | haste | sioraiocht: yy! |
| 10:28.29 | haste | I can't stand danish :D |
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| 10:28.48 | sioraiocht | haste: I think the Danes can't stand Danish |
| 10:29.02 | haste | where's fisker when we need him! |
| 10:29.05 | haste | he's danish :p |
| 10:29.14 | sioraiocht | wikipedia lists danish as having a vowel ssytem "in collapse" |
| 10:29.26 | Wobin | rofl |
| 10:29.39 | Sentri | estonian? :P |
| 10:29.42 | sioraiocht | they have twenty different vowel sounds, it's impossible for one language to have so many and not confuse them |
| 10:29.42 | Sentri | a littel |
| 10:29.44 | Sentri | little |
| 10:29.52 | Wobin | that's kinda terrible |
| 10:30.24 | sioraiocht | Wobin: they'll eventually collapse to fewer vowels, as they are already sort of doing |
| 10:30.42 | sioraiocht | Wobin: but nothing can excuse the stød |
| 10:30.43 | Wobin | oh collapse as in optimising |
| 10:30.46 | sioraiocht | Wobin: indeed |
| 10:30.53 | Wobin | not as in 'fall of Rome' |
| 10:31.03 | sioraiocht | Wobin: hahaha, |
| 10:31.36 | haste | would be better if it was the fall of Rome! |
| 10:31.41 | sioraiocht | haste: ha! |
| 10:31.42 | haste | and they all switched to norwegian |
| 10:31.51 | haste | went there. |
| 10:31.53 | sioraiocht | to their credit, danes speak very good english |
| 10:32.03 | Wobin | Survival instincts? =) |
| 10:32.05 | sioraiocht | jnwhiteh and I are going to copenhagen in december |
| 10:32.31 | sioraiocht | Wobin: it's funny though, in Scandinavia, danes are the worst at understanding other scandinavian languages |
| 10:32.38 | sioraiocht | and they'r the hardest for other speakers to understand |
| 10:33.00 | sioraiocht | (there are scientific studies to prove this =p) |
| 10:33.36 | haste | we notice the same in our guild |
| 10:33.42 | Sentri | even worse than finnish? (if it counts as scandinavia) |
| 10:33.51 | haste | the norwegian and swedish can generally speak natively with each other |
| 10:34.04 | sioraiocht | Sentri: finnish isn't a "scandinavian language", as its not based on Old Norse |
| 10:34.08 | haste | us norwegian have to switch to english for some stuff once in a while tho' :P |
| 10:34.22 | haste | but as soon as someone talks danish, it's like.. instant english :P |
| 10:34.23 | sioraiocht | haste: yeah, I;ve been around swedes and norwegians talking to each other |
| 10:34.28 | sioraiocht | the norwegians seem better at it |
| 10:34.36 | sioraiocht | one norwegian said that's because you guys get swedish TV stations |
| 10:34.57 | haste | we do, but we also have a lot more dialects of norwegian |
| 10:35.10 | sioraiocht | haste: Yes...you do =p |
| 10:35.17 | haste | and norwegian is pretty... dynamic |
| 10:35.21 | sioraiocht | The Norwegian language situation is so...complex. |
| 10:35.29 | haste | which is why all norwegian acting is horrible |
| 10:35.43 | sioraiocht | lol, they all have to speak in bokmål for the acting? |
| 10:35.48 | sioraiocht | even if they speak dialect nativel? |
| 10:35.54 | haste | you can really hear it when someone speak based on something they've not written themselves |
| 10:36.02 | sioraiocht | ah |
| 10:36.03 | haste | no, it's just that you have your own habbits |
| 10:36.07 | haste | and you really hear them :p |
| 10:36.19 | sioraiocht | do people change their prosody when switching dialects? |
| 10:36.24 | sioraiocht | or just grammar and pronuncation? |
| 10:36.25 | Arrowmaster | this is why i like english, no silly dialects |
| 10:36.28 | sioraiocht | *pronuncation |
| 10:36.35 | sioraiocht | Arrowmaster: :O |
| 10:36.43 | sioraiocht | Arrowmaster: clearly you've never heard a geordie speak |
| 10:36.44 | Wobin | :0 |
| 10:36.45 | haste | sioraiocht: most likely all three |
| 10:36.56 | sioraiocht | haste: ah, swedes tend to keep their native prosody |
| 10:36.59 | Wobin | "I hate fucking Pikies!" |
| 10:37.22 | Arrowmaster | geordie? |
| 10:37.33 | haste | I can speak english with norwegian prosody and pronounciaton as well! |
| 10:37.34 | sioraiocht | Arrowmaster: from Newcastle upon Tyne |
| 10:37.37 | haste | it sounds so horrendous :D |
| 10:37.46 | sioraiocht | haste: hahahaha, there's a norwegian guy here that basically does that |
| 10:37.56 | Wobin | Arrowmaster, also, have you seen the movie Snatch? |
| 10:37.57 | sioraiocht | he's an idiot in more ways than one, though |
| 10:38.10 | haste | Snatch <3 |
| 10:38.13 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 10:38.15 | sioraiocht | Arrowmaster: a london accent is also pretty bad |
| 10:38.16 | haste | I love how they speak in that movie |
| 10:38.17 | haste | so awesome |
| 10:38.22 | sioraiocht | as is an northern welsh english |
| 10:38.26 | ZorbaBeta | I wish there was some kind of heirloom item I could get to increase the rested cap |
| 10:38.35 | Wobin | The gypsies have their own dialect |
| 10:38.38 | Wobin | as it were |
| 10:38.41 | Wobin | it's English |
| 10:38.55 | Wobin | yet so mangled, it's almost ununderstandable |
| 10:39.24 | haste | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-0_sL5AAVQ related |
| 10:39.27 | sioraiocht | Wobin: the Irish Travellers speak a fucked up gypsy dialect, too. It's irish, english, and some other gypsy influence |
| 10:39.38 | Wobin | Then you look at Singlish |
| 10:39.58 | haste | watch the clip! |
| 10:39.59 | Wobin | which is an unholy combination of English, Cantonese, Hakka and anything else that pops up |
| 10:40.10 | haste | it's all you need to know about snatch and english language |
| 10:40.33 | sioraiocht | hahahaha |
| 10:40.43 | sioraiocht | hrm |
| 10:40.45 | sioraiocht | should shower |
| 10:40.46 | sioraiocht | brb |
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| 10:44.44 | Wobin | Periwinkle Blue =P |
| 10:49.34 | olafski | I had to watch that movie with subs |
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| 10:53.29 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zwx0-oewjsM <-- Geordie accent |
| 10:55.50 | olafski | now why is it I thought of star trek when I saw you say that |
| 10:59.57 | sioraiocht | Wobin: that's a rather PLEASANT one |
| 11:00.03 | Wobin | s |
| 11:00.05 | Wobin | true |
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| 11:05.24 | Wobin | sioraiocht, It's a -formal- Geordie accent =) |
| 11:05.31 | sioraiocht | Wobin: indeed |
| 11:08.14 | Wobin | "wee beige jobby" |
| 11:08.29 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMOqy81kQQI&feature=related |
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| 12:03.41 | Tepel | I just noticed, WoW isn't that CPU intensive |
| 12:04.06 | Tepel | 8 cores, all running at their lowest speed |
| 12:04.06 | Tepel | though 4 are HT cores |
| 12:06.15 | olafski | my 2 cores are at about 55% load in dalaran :> |
| 12:07.04 | olafski | 35% in theramore.. not that bad |
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| 12:12.11 | Voldenet | Hello. ;-) |
| 12:12.25 | olafski | decided to stay eh |
| 12:12.39 | Voldenet | No, got troubles wit chatzilla |
| 12:12.40 | Voldenet | ;P |
| 12:12.42 | olafski | ^^ |
| 12:13.18 | Voldenet | i'm asking you if there is possible to write an addon making WHO queries every 1 minute? |
| 12:13.32 | Voldenet | I'm pretty sure it is possible, but how to set timer in LUA |
| 12:14.46 | olafski | I would assume it is yes, there are several addons that do stuff every X seconds |
| 12:15.06 | olafski | for instance I use Advertiser to advertise my [Enchanting] every 5 minutes, perhaps you can look at that |
| 12:15.17 | Voldenet | hm... |
| 12:15.37 | Grum | every 5 minutes? |
| 12:15.40 | Voldenet | i can use time in lua, but it's sneaky CPU eater |
| 12:15.42 | Voldenet | nom nom |
| 12:15.50 | Grum | even if nothing was said after the last time you said it? O.o |
| 12:16.05 | olafski | trade chat is generally spammy enough to warrant that yes :P |
| 12:16.19 | Voldenet | you mean that: http://www.elitepvpers.de/forum/wow-bots/162957-new-bot-wow-advertiser.html ? :O |
| 12:16.32 | Voldenet | ah, that: http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/advertiser.aspx |
| 12:16.34 | Voldenet | ;-) |
| 12:16.51 | olafski | the latter yes :P |
| 12:16.58 | stolenlegacy | AceTimer is your answer |
| 12:23.12 | jnwhiteh | you definitely don't need acetimer for that. |
| 12:23.15 | jnwhiteh | its like 3 lines of code. |
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| 12:23.32 | Voldenet | jnwhiteh hm? |
| 12:23.39 | jnwhiteh | you do not need AceTimer. |
| 12:23.44 | krka | three long lines? :) |
| 12:23.45 | Voldenet | i need sth like setTimeout |
| 12:23.48 | jnwhiteh | writing an OnUpdate function to do this is incredibly simple. |
| 12:23.50 | jnwhiteh | there is no setTimeout. |
| 12:23.52 | jnwhiteh | you use an OnUpdate |
| 12:24.02 | Grum | use /at and /click to click the macro again! |
| 12:24.40 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/snippets/Create_a_mini-timer_using_OnUpdate_3 |
| 12:25.32 | olafski | I never quite understood stuff like that.. won't that method be called thousands of times per minute? |
| 12:25.43 | jnwhiteh | therei s no method |
| 12:25.47 | jnwhiteh | and no, its called once per frame update |
| 12:25.57 | olafski | which is equal to your fps? |
| 12:26.00 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 12:26.05 | olafski | oh.. not that bad then I guess :) |
| 12:26.09 | jnwhiteh | and _ALL_ timers in WoW are done using this, or the "Animation" method. |
| 12:26.15 | jnwhiteh | so regardless of how you do it |
| 12:26.17 | jnwhiteh | this is what you're doing |
| 12:26.25 | olafski | good to know, that looks quite simple |
| 12:26.30 | olafski | and probably like what voldenet wanted :) |
| 12:26.30 | jnwhiteh | it is. |
| 12:27.13 | krka | one line! local f, t = CreateFrame(blabla), 0; f:SetScript("OnUpdate", function(self, elapsed) t = t + elapsed if t > .5 then t = 0 --[[do stuff here]] end end) |
| 12:27.43 | jnwhiteh | heh |
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| 12:31.07 | Lopeppeppy_ | This will be one of those days. |
| 12:31.18 | jnwhiteh | Lopeppeppy_: =( |
| 12:31.18 | krka | it usually is |
| 12:32.31 | krka | fortunately days are time constrained |
| 12:32.55 | Lopeppeppy_ | Exactly the problem, jnwhiteh! I will wrestle with nickserv later on though, see if it will behave. |
| 12:34.51 | Ycarene | Are there any decent WoW lua IDE's out there? |
| 12:36.03 | jnwhiteh | Ycarene: any text editor. |
| 12:37.31 | Tepel | vim |
| 12:37.34 | Tepel | notepad++ |
| 12:37.35 | Tepel | :P |
| 12:37.36 | jnwhiteh | indeed. |
| 12:38.14 | Tepel | I prefer notepad++ for windows though |
| 12:38.15 | Ycarene | Hmm |
| 12:38.35 | Ycarene | I think I can get notepad++ here. |
| 12:38.51 | Tepel | Is there any reason why you shouldn't be able to? |
| 12:39.15 | Ycarene | The only actual IDE I could find required .NET 3.5, which I cannot install yet. |
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| 12:39.49 | Tepel | Well, notepad++ is not an IDE |
| 12:39.52 | Tepel | It's a text editor |
| 12:41.04 | Adys_ | languages like lua generally dont require an ide |
| 12:41.30 | Ycarene | Can it be built using gnu c++? |
| 12:42.11 | Tepel | Can what be built? |
| 12:42.20 | jnwhiteh | Ycarene: you can download it? |
| 12:42.23 | Ycarene | notepad++ |
| 12:42.24 | jnwhiteh | Why would you want to compile it? |
| 12:42.28 | Tepel | It's a binary |
| 12:42.49 | Ycarene | There no linux executable available for download (I despise VIM) |
| 12:42.59 | Tepel | Wait, you're on linux |
| 12:43.05 | Tepel | Ah |
| 12:43.24 | Ycarene | and I don't feel like firing up wine for a text editor |
| 12:43.28 | olafski | why not just use some linux editor? |
| 12:43.31 | Tepel | My RicerOS has no entry of notepad++ |
| 12:43.31 | olafski | like kate :) |
| 12:43.37 | Tepel | So I guess notepad++ isn't for linux |
| 12:43.43 | jnwhiteh | no, its win only |
| 12:43.47 | Tepel | Kate is awesome |
| 12:43.55 | Tepel | Somewhat |
| 12:44.05 | Adys_ | kate and gedit are very good text editors |
| 12:44.14 | Ycarene | I'll see if it will let me compile it. |
| 12:44.20 | Tepel | I doubt it :P |
| 12:44.23 | Adys_ | Ycarene: it wont |
| 12:44.26 | Adys_ | its a win32 ap |
| 12:44.28 | Adys_ | app |
| 12:44.34 | Tepel | http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/nppLinux.php |
| 12:44.36 | Tepel | Oh |
| 12:44.38 | Tepel | I guess you can |
| 12:44.47 | Adys_ | well so much for me |
| 12:44.50 | Tepel | Ah wine |
| 12:44.51 | Tepel | :P |
| 12:44.53 | Tepel | lame |
| 12:44.58 | Adys_ | lol |
| 12:45.15 | Ycarene | Nothing wrong with wine. |
| 12:45.36 | Adys_ | for a text editor meh |
| 12:45.44 | Ycarene | Well, yeah |
| 12:45.44 | Adys_ | but yeah why dont you just use kate or gedit? |
| 12:46.03 | Tepel | or kwrite |
| 12:46.09 | Ycarene | Everyone seems to really like notepad++, I thought I'd try it out first. |
| 12:46.11 | Tepel | kate/kwrite have the same backend anyway |
| 12:46.24 | olafski | I like ultraedit, be sure to try that too ;) |
| 12:46.35 | Tepel | Isn't ultraedit shareware? |
| 12:46.41 | Codayus | If we're suggesting random text editors, Sublime is quite good. |
| 12:46.44 | Adys_ | I like man-on-man threesome porn |
| 12:46.47 | Adys_ | be sure to try that out too |
| 12:46.56 | Tepel | hehe |
| 12:47.02 | Ycarene | Adys_ - I'll pass. :P |
| 12:47.05 | olafski | yeah ultraedit isn't free |
| 12:47.21 | olafski | wouldn't that be man-on-man-on-man btw? ;) |
| 12:47.42 | Ycarene | I'd actually like to get a copy of windows 7 to muck around with when it comes out, but my finances really don't justify the expenditure. |
| 12:48.01 | Adys_ | olafski: i include myself in it! |
| 12:48.40 | Ycarene | Damn, for archiving software, 7zip is friggin huge. |
| 12:48.41 | Tepel | cba to buy software then there's a fine free alternative |
| 12:48.59 | olafski | ah okay |
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| 12:49.06 | Ycarene | cba? |
| 12:49.10 | olafski | can't be arsed |
| 12:49.42 | olafski | sure tepel, I'm just used to ultraedit so I prefer shelling the ~$50 for it rather than get used to something new ;) |
| 12:49.43 | Bruners | Ycarene: why didnt you get the beta when it was out free? |
| 12:49.47 | Tepel | Ycarene: just get the beta / test candidates |
| 12:49.54 | Tepel | They'll let you try for ~120 days |
| 12:50.04 | Tepel | olafski: that's your choice :) |
| 12:50.08 | Ycarene | Well, not that I wouldn't if I could easily afford it. |
| 12:50.13 | Bruners | which is more that enougb to much around with |
| 12:50.46 | Ycarene | Bruners - I did, and it ran out, and I really don't want to get something that I'm going to have to remove/re-install 120 days later. |
| 12:50.55 | Tepel | The beta is still downloadable |
| 12:51.03 | Tepel | Though maybe not through official channels |
| 12:51.13 | Ycarene | Besides, the beta really dislikes my network card. |
| 12:51.46 | Tepel | Creative doesn't support my Live! card anymore on win 7 |
| 12:51.49 | Tepel | That's so lame |
| 12:51.50 | Ycarene | I get all sorts of random corruption and such downloading stuff through. |
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| 12:52.52 | Ycarene | And my builtin network card has a tendency to drop off the face of the earth until I power off and unplug my computer. |
| 12:53.59 | olafski | I had that with vista too at start tepel |
| 12:54.03 | olafski | eventually it started working ;) |
| 12:54.21 | Tepel | They're officialy dumping all old cards |
| 12:54.38 | olafski | thought I'd be an early adopter, I bought a new pc as soon as vista was released and half the hardware wasn't supported (including the old creative card I took from my old pc) |
| 12:54.43 | olafski | oh.. hm |
| 12:54.51 | olafski | lame :< |
| 12:55.00 | olafski | even supported stuff is hard to find on their website tbh :P |
| 12:56.12 | Tepel | The only reason I have vista is because it came with the laptop :) |
| 12:56.35 | Tepel | And I can't be arsed to go through all that trouble to get 30⬠back |
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| 13:00.20 | olafski | I like vista, despite everyone else complaining about it :P |
| 13:00.34 | Lopeppeppy_ | I just don't use the Program Files folder and everything is fine. |
| 13:01.15 | Ycarene | Might as well just install scintilla since it seems to be the same thing. |
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| 13:01.42 | Tepel | I have no problems with Vista either |
| 13:02.02 | Tepel | I changed the default account to a normal user, added an administrator and voila no issues whatsoever |
| 13:02.10 | olafski | oh I'm still administrator |
| 13:02.14 | Ycarene | My wifes computer came with vista, it seems to be keeping her out of trouble for the most part. |
| 13:02.17 | olafski | and I even have UAC still enabled |
| 13:02.26 | Tepel | Meh, too many UAC dialogs with that |
| 13:02.45 | Tepel | Bah! Again with the "c" button! |
| 13:02.47 | olafski | hm I don't mind being reminded "do you really want to install that?" now and then |
| 13:02.56 | olafski | only thing that bothers me is that I have to press it every time I start total commander |
| 13:03.01 | Kalroth | "You have selected to keep UAC enabled. Please click yes here to confirm." |
| 13:03.03 | olafski | and I haven't found a way to make an exception or something |
| 13:03.06 | Tepel | olafski: running as a normal user is no different, I just have to enter a password too |
| 13:03.13 | Kalroth | "You have confirmed to select to keep UAC enabled. Please click yes here to confirm." |
| 13:03.23 | olafski | so why do you do it tepel? |
| 13:03.31 | Tepel | Cause I don't trust windows |
| 13:03.33 | Kalroth | "Your confirmation requires an additional confirmation. Please click yes here to confirm." |
| 13:03.34 | olafski | hmkay :) |
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| 13:04.15 | Tepel | I'm not running an anti-virus though |
| 13:04.21 | olafski | I have TC set to start as administrator because else it can't see certain files etc.. so have to press c every time I start that |
| 13:04.22 | Tepel | Should probably get one some day |
| 13:04.22 | olafski | don't really mind that though |
| 13:04.32 | olafski | yeah I installed one last week too |
| 13:04.42 | olafski | since my mcafee hadn't been working for half a year or so |
| 13:04.43 | Tepel | olafski: oohh you were referring to the "c" key |
| 13:04.59 | olafski | well I press alt+c for some reason, not even sure alt is needed there :P |
| 13:04.59 | Tepel | Meh, I'm playing wow in the mean time and I hit that to keep me busy |
| 13:05.16 | Tepel | And I expected to see a character screen in xchat |
| 13:05.18 | Tepel | It failed |
| 13:05.20 | olafski | haha |
| 13:05.38 | olafski | I'm waiting for a reply in #math :< |
| 13:05.48 | Ycarene | So when you start TC it asks for your admin password? |
| 13:06.14 | olafski | no I'm administrator, so it only asks for confirmation to start it in administrator mode |
| 13:06.19 | olafski | hmm.. makes me wonder if I'm actually an administrator :P |
| 13:06.23 | Tepel | No |
| 13:06.34 | olafski | hm it says my user is an administrator |
| 13:06.42 | Tepel | A administrator account is only pseudo-administrator |
| 13:06.49 | olafski | ah ok, that's what I am then |
| 13:06.56 | Tepel | It runs with normal user privs until administrator rights are actually needed |
| 13:06.58 | Ycarene | Just wondering because if your application is trying to use escalated priveleges, it SHOULD ask for an administrative password. |
| 13:07.08 | Tepel | Then you get the UAC box and then things are elevated |
| 13:07.37 | olafski | it has never asked for a password |
| 13:07.41 | stolenlegacy | anyone knows how you can add statuses to sRF? |
| 13:07.44 | olafski | maybe because my user password and admin password are the same? |
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| 13:08.29 | Tepel | I think I'll try the new microsoft essential AV |
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| 13:08.49 | olafski | I got AVG free last week.. hasn't bothered me since so it'll do ;) |
| 13:08.58 | Tepel | AVG is too annoying sometimes |
| 13:09.12 | olafski | how's that? |
| 13:09.28 | olafski | all AV's eventually annoy me.. though I have to say the norton av pro and mcafee I used before worked fine |
| 13:09.36 | olafski | I generally just go with whatever my uni gives me a license for |
| 13:10.52 | Tepel | It's just that everytime I'm trying to do something on a system with AVG the whole system grinds to a halt cause AVG just had to scan at that particular time |
| 13:11.01 | olafski | hmm |
| 13:11.05 | olafski | I have auto scans disabled |
| 13:11.06 | Tepel | Yes yes, bad configuration |
| 13:11.11 | olafski | only on demand scanning |
| 13:11.17 | olafski | eh wait and scan on open or whatever |
| 13:11.29 | olafski | just no scheduled full scan of everything :P |
| 13:11.53 | Tepel | I think AVG scans on writes too |
| 13:11.57 | Tepel | Which is silly |
| 13:12.01 | olafski | hmm |
| 13:12.02 | olafski | yes |
| 13:12.14 | olafski | and it scans links in firefox oO |
| 13:12.19 | Tepel | And that's just plain bad |
| 13:12.41 | Tepel | I think I've disabled 3 components of AVG on my work PC |
| 13:13.22 | olafski | linkscanner and id protection are disabled here now ;) |
| 13:14.13 | Tepel | Time for food |
| 13:14.29 | olafski | time for doctor and then food ;) cya |
| 13:14.42 | Ycarene | I want to develop an addon that when someone presses a keybind, it will take certain character combinations and generate special characters. |
| 13:15.18 | olafski | like digraphs? |
| 13:15.27 | Ycarene | That way people don't have to remember alt codes to type these chars. |
| 13:15.46 | Ycarene | Yeah, you could type <keybind> + e + " and get ë |
| 13:16.05 | olafski | such chars should be banned in character names imo :P |
| 13:16.26 | Ycarene | or <keybind> + c + = and get ⬠|
| 13:16.35 | Ycarene | olafski - they used to be, but they dropped that policy. |
| 13:16.45 | olafski | I'm not sure you can get so "deep" into the game as an addon but maybe you can |
| 13:16.54 | olafski | would be good to have |
| 13:17.01 | olafski | why on earth :( |
| 13:17.03 | Tepel | Or they could just set there keyboard up properly |
| 13:17.15 | olafski | Ãrthás doesn't get an invite to my parties that's for sure |
| 13:17.22 | olafski | even if I can just rightclick his name and choose invite |
| 13:17.23 | Ycarene | Its more intuitave than alt codes, and dead keys aren't available on every platform. |
| 13:17.26 | Tepel | Us-Intl AltGr + Deadkeys |
| 13:17.46 | Ycarene | Not everyone has a keyboard with an AltGr key. |
| 13:17.59 | Tepel | They should! |
| 13:18.11 | Tepel | But you could use any key for that |
| 13:18.15 | Ycarene | In all actuality, I've never seen a US keyboard with one. |
| 13:18.34 | Ycarene | Basically I'm trying to emulate the compose key behavior in an addon. |
| 13:18.36 | Tepel | I have a 10⬠Trust KB with AltGr :P |
| 13:19.03 | olafski | I have 2 alts on my 15E microsoft keyboard.. no clue if one is an altgr or how to use it |
| 13:19.33 | Tepel | If they send two different keycodes then you can use one as a compose key |
| 13:19.56 | olafski | I know most of the alt codes I need so I never bother with that |
| 13:20.07 | Tepel | Ã DUN! |
| 13:20.17 | olafski | Ã DUN EITHER |
| 13:20.35 | olafski | wut |
| 13:20.35 | Ycarene | I can use the compose key myself, but I wanted to extend the feature to everyone. |
| 13:20.35 | Tepel | Then set up a guide to enable it :P |
| 13:20.53 | olafski | (screen has this feature ycarene describes so I can make à and æ too ;)) |
| 13:20.57 | Ycarene | But the compose key is only a feature of X, it's not available in windows or on macs. |
| 13:21.00 | Tepel | It's basically only for windows and mac right? |
| 13:21.45 | Ycarene | I'm trying to enable a unified and intuitave way of typing these characters. |
| 13:22.04 | Tepel | Virtual keyboard |
| 13:23.16 | Tepel | I wait, I hate deadkeys |
| 13:23.21 | Tepel | I just have AltGr |
| 13:23.59 | Tepel | Oh right, food |
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| 13:33.53 | Ycarene | Aren't there laws that prevent you from trademarking any visual representation of a ubiquitous object? |
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| 13:35.58 | Wobin | Ycarene, like an 'apple'? =P |
| 13:36.07 | Ycarene | Yes wobin, like an apple. |
| 13:36.30 | Wobin | http://www.smh.com.au/technology/biz-tech/apple-claims-woolies-is-getting-fresh-with-new-logo-20091004-ghxe.html |
| 13:37.10 | Ycarene | Thats what I'm asking about, they can trademark 'their' apple, but not any logo representing apples in general, correct? |
| 13:37.41 | Wobin | well they can protest it |
| 13:37.52 | Wobin | whether or not it makes it anywhere is another matter |
| 13:38.02 | Wobin | or if it even makes it to court |
| 13:38.03 | Lopeppeppy_ | In order to protect your copyrights, you have to register some protests, show that you're making a concerted effort. |
| 13:38.33 | Ycarene | They did the same thing to a new york NFP agency that wanted to use an apple (you know big apple, it made sense) |
| 13:38.36 | Wobin | Otherwise some other bloke will say "Well, they didn't complain when -Woolworths- did it!" |
| 13:38.51 | Lopeppeppy_ | ^ |
| 13:38.54 | Lopeppeppy_ | Exactly that. |
| 13:38.56 | Wobin | precedent is everything =) |
| 13:39.02 | Ycarene | Lopeppeppy_ - sure, but you go after the lookalikes, not this crap |
| 13:39.10 | Lopeppeppy_ | Even if they don't expect to win, they have to show willing to pursue. |
| 13:39.35 | Wobin | it's enough, cause then you're not comparing against lookalikes, you're comparing against previous comparisons |
| 13:39.59 | Wobin | they have to have the record that they complained, else it's a precedent that they 'allowed' it so to speak |
| 13:40.20 | Wobin | ianal etc etc |
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| 13:42.58 | Wobin | huh |
| 13:43.10 | Wobin | australia ranks second in 'best quality of life' |
| 13:43.23 | Wobin | (norway first) |
| 13:43.43 | Wobin | oh wait, predates the GFC |
| 13:43.52 | Wobin | pft |
| 13:44.35 | Wobin | Norway, Australia, Iceland, Canada, Ireland, the Netherlands, Sweden, France, Switzerland and Japan. |
| 13:48.05 | Bruners | woo norway wins again |
| 13:48.05 | Bruners | where is fiskerland on that list? |
| 13:49.19 | Wobin | you're arguing quality of life in FISKERLAND? |
| 13:49.28 | Lopeppeppy_ | There's life in Fiskerland? |
| 13:54.17 | Bruners | Fisker lives there.. so yes there is |
| 13:54.32 | Kalroth | "life" |
| 13:55.10 | Wobin | It's a godawful small affair |
| 14:00.42 | Wobin | http://notalwaysright.com/youve-got-the-wrongest-number/2538 |
| 14:00.43 | Wobin | ^^ |
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| 14:03.43 | Wobin | http://www.seriouseats.com/2009/10/scrambling-eggs-with-an-espresso-machine-steamer-wand.html |
| 14:03.45 | Wobin | O.O |
| 14:04.16 | nicoli_s | ewww |
| 14:09.37 | olafski | you could just get a standalone one of those things |
| 14:09.43 | olafski | e.g. a small thingy that runs on batteries |
| 14:14.13 | Wobin | http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/35759 |
| 14:14.47 | Wobin | olafski, the steam from the wand comes from the pressure from the espresso machine |
| 14:14.57 | Wobin | which isn't small machinery =) |
| 14:16.05 | olafski | oh. I thought it just beats the stuff until foam appears |
| 14:16.11 | olafski | that's how we use those small thingies anyway, to make foam on milk to then pour that on coffee |
| 14:16.12 | Pneumatus^ | scrambled eggs cooked like that end up over-done, and lacking in flavor :< |
| 14:16.38 | Wobin | nah, the ones attached to the espresso machines are steam driven |
| 14:16.46 | Lopeppeppy_ | And very extremely hot. |
| 14:16.52 | Lopeppeppy_ | burned herself a lot the year she ran a cafe. |
| 14:17.14 | Wobin | that's why baristas often have thermometers attached to the milk jugs, so you don't scorch the milk |
| 14:19.21 | Lopeppeppy_ | Yup. It has to be a precise range, or you have to toss it and do it over. :) |
| 14:19.32 | Lopeppeppy_ | I had one customer who loved it slightly overcooked, so very odd. |
| 14:19.44 | Wobin | chews his frothed milk |
| 14:20.31 | zenzelezz | peppy ran a cafe? |
| 14:21.55 | Lopeppeppy_ | I did that. |
| 14:22.03 | Lopeppeppy_ | A Starbucks inside my bookstore. |
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| 14:24.15 | olafski | nice |
| 14:24.46 | zenzelezz | peppy's a continual source of intrigue |
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| 14:25.21 | Lopeppeppy_ | I do try. |
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| 14:40.21 | Kraps | hi all |
| 14:40.31 | Lopeppeppy_ | hi hi |
| 14:40.48 | Kraps | sup |
| 14:41.39 | Lopeppeppy_ | cold cold cold northern winter. |
| 14:42.25 | Kraps | i agree |
| 14:42.41 | Seerah | cold down here, too. It's 67 inside the house atm, and 55 outside |
| 14:42.43 | zenzelezz | winter in October? |
| 14:42.48 | Lopeppeppy_ | Sadly yes. |
| 14:42.59 | Kraps | saturdays rain was like wut |
| 14:43.00 | Lopeppeppy_ | First snows back home this week, and it's been down in the 40's several times. |
| 14:44.05 | Seerah | I remember it being like this before back in Michigan... trying to stuff bulky winter coats under Halloween costumes |
| 14:44.28 | Lopeppeppy_ | Yup. I'm really stretching to find myself a warm enough costume this year. |
| 14:44.48 | zenzelezz | you should just stay in, we can find ways to stay warm |
| 14:45.32 | Lopeppeppy_ | It's the one holiday of the dark season I look forward to, zenzelezz. I have to stay home for Thanksgiving and Christmas and new years, I want out while I still can. |
| 14:46.05 | Tepel | Fahrenheit makes no sense to me! |
| 14:47.30 | Lopeppeppy_ | Peanut butter makes no sense to me, but I accept that some friends enjoy to have it. |
| 14:49.09 | zenzelezz | peanut butter and fahrenheit aren't quite the same though |
| 14:49.17 | zenzelezz | I doubt anyone enjoys eating a temperature scale |
| 14:51.14 | Kraps | pages.ebay.com uses an invalid security certificate. |
| 14:51.17 | Kraps | wat |
| 14:51.37 | zenzelezz | they bought it off ebay, but it was a scam |
| 14:51.42 | Ackis | http://notalwaysright.com/youve-got-the-wrongest-number/2538 |
| 14:51.44 | Ackis | lol |
| 14:52.22 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy_: PVR == personal video recorder aka tivo |
| 14:52.24 | Ackis | http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/funny-pictures-tiny-kitten-attacks.jpg |
| 14:52.26 | Ackis | rawr |
| 14:54.29 | Lopeppeppy_ | Oh, tivo |
| 14:58.18 | Kraps | why do you need to accept the ToS after every patch even though it doesnt change? |
| 14:59.06 | olafski | in case it does change, nobody will read it but they will have accepted the new ToS :) |
| 15:00.19 | Ackis | which still won't hold up in court! HAHAHAHAH muhahhahahh penis |
| 15:01.19 | zenzelezz | your penis won't hold up in court? |
| 15:01.30 | Ackis | for a hot female judge, it would |
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| 15:02.13 | olafski | :-) |
| 15:02.42 | Kraps | in what universe are there hot female judges? |
| 15:02.42 | Lopeppeppy_ | I'm telling the Girl! |
| 15:02.51 | Ackis | eek |
| 15:07.38 | olafski | ackis: do you have all 50 gargoyles yet? ;) |
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| 15:08.06 | Ackis | olafski: yes, I'm 1350/1350 |
| 15:08.22 | Ackis | only achievement I didn't get myself was the doll catcher one |
| 15:08.28 | Ackis | and I used a bug to get the colourist one |
| 15:08.32 | olafski | damn |
| 15:08.45 | olafski | nice you achievement junkie :D |
| 15:08.51 | Ackis | hehe |
| 15:08.51 | olafski | now get crackdown and 1250/1250 in that! |
| 15:08.58 | olafski | I have like 5 games in which I got all points :< |
| 15:09.01 | Ackis | I'm working on batman arkham asylum |
| 15:09.04 | olafski | doll catcher seems impossible to do on your own |
| 15:09.16 | Ackis | I have 3 retail games and 1 arcade game at max right now |
| 15:09.31 | Ackis | you can do doll catcher but you have to trade people and play through the game multiple times |
| 15:09.33 | olafski | jebus :P |
| 15:09.39 | Ackis | let me know if you need help with an achievement hehe |
| 15:09.46 | olafski | and you have to get #1 in the shooting range thing right/ |
| 15:09.49 | Lopeppeppy_ | crazy man |
| 15:09.50 | olafski | I couldn't even get #3 |
| 15:09.56 | Ackis | no you don't have to get #1 |
| 15:10.05 | Ackis | you don't even ahve to get the record in the crucible |
| 15:10.08 | olafski | and no clue how to even trade with people but I guess never having played online help |
| 15:10.15 | olafski | s |
| 15:10.19 | Kraps | youse guys on steam? |
| 15:10.20 | olafski | oh crucible is easy, but I can't do that shooting range :( |
| 15:10.37 | Ackis | Kraps: talking about xbox live, but I'm on steam, ID is ackis |
| 15:10.58 | Ackis | right now I'm at 5540 gamerpoints |
| 15:11.20 | Kraps | what can you do with gamerpoibt/. |
| 15:11.26 | Ackis | I played shadowrun on the PC last night while the gf was playing RE5 on the xbox lol |
| 15:11.29 | olafski | nothing, kraps |
| 15:11.31 | Ackis | Kraps: nothing, it's just e-peening |
| 15:11.44 | olafski | what's the colourist achievement? |
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| 15:11.51 | olafski | is that the one where you have to wear all black? |
| 15:11.58 | Ackis | olafski: you get all the dyes from knotthole island |
| 15:12.01 | Ackis | no |
| 15:12.08 | Ackis | not from the island, from see the future |
| 15:12.17 | olafski | oh I don't have any of the dlc |
| 15:12.27 | Ackis | really? |
| 15:12.27 | olafski | I got the one where you wear all black |
| 15:12.28 | olafski | yeah |
| 15:12.32 | Ackis | the dlc is a lot of fun tbh |
| 15:12.51 | Ackis | I bought it after about an hour of playing the game lol |
| 15:13.02 | Ackis | also bought darth vader for soul caliber haha |
| 15:13.06 | Kraps | cool, lots of you are on steam |
| 15:13.18 | olafski | I have a steam account |
| 15:13.20 | olafski | never use it though |
| 15:13.51 | Ackis | I have too many steam games |
| 15:14.05 | olafski | ^^ |
| 15:14.09 | olafski | I have halflife and audiosurf |
| 15:14.11 | olafski | that's about it I think :P |
| 15:14.22 | olafski | got a bunch of non-fighting achieves to go on fable :( |
| 15:14.33 | Ackis | I have like 150 steam games :P |
| 15:14.35 | olafski | like a perfect date and such |
| 15:14.39 | olafski | I have 50 xbox games :( |
| 15:14.46 | Ackis | olafski: I told you if you ever need help just message me :P |
| 15:14.48 | olafski | at least 3 of them are not on my profile though |
| 15:14.58 | Kraps | i dont really get audiosurf |
| 15:15.04 | olafski | yeah ackis but I really don't want to do such things if they're just for achievement points ;P |
| 15:15.19 | olafski | heh I used to love it kraps |
| 15:15.20 | Ackis | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.27 | olafski | now I have guitar hero so audiosurf is sort of obsolete |
| 15:15.29 | olafski | but still fun at times |
| 15:15.50 | olafski | I preordered AS too, got 10% off the $10 price ;) |
| 15:16.02 | Kraps | lol |
| 15:16.27 | olafski | when the beta was out we wrote our own server for it so we could keep track of our scores between me and my flatmates |
| 15:16.36 | olafski | since they only had a couple of beta weekends |
| 15:17.03 | Ackis | AS? |
| 15:17.16 | Ackis | oh dur |
| 15:17.39 | nicoli_s | adult swim? |
| 15:18.04 | Ackis | audiosurf |
| 15:18.13 | nicoli_s | ahh |
| 15:18.51 | Ackis | I need to get the 2 multiplayer acheivements for kingdom for keflings still |
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| 15:23.46 | olafski | hm you've boosted quite hard too ackis, you have 1 hour more in fable 2 than me but you've gotten all the achievements+dlc and I have only half the points or os |
| 15:23.52 | olafski | yeah I have never finished keflings either :P |
| 15:24.17 | olafski | hmm. Quake IV, DOAX2 (shame on me), Shadowrun and Spiderman:The Movie aren't on my profile |
| 15:24.36 | Ackis | olafski: Didn't boost in fable 2 aside from the doll catcher one actually |
| 15:24.56 | olafski | well no I mean you hurried it along ;) |
| 15:25.03 | olafski | anywho bbl gotta buy&cook&eat dinner |
| 15:25.12 | Ackis | ah boosting has a different "term" in the xbox community apparently |
| 15:27.10 | olafski | no it meant that, my bad :) |
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| 15:58.50 | Kraps | what multiplayer shooter do you guys play? |
| 15:59.30 | mikma | Left 4 Dead |
| 15:59.41 | mikma | it's amazing, just ask scytheblade1 :) |
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| 16:00.06 | Voldenet | Hi, got short question for ya. |
| 16:00.18 | Voldenet | Is there On who response event? |
| 16:00.18 | industrial | no. |
| 16:00.25 | industrial | (short answer) |
| 16:00.30 | Kraps | TL;DR |
| 16:00.34 | Voldenet | Hm. ;/ |
| 16:00.42 | Kraps | :) |
| 16:00.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Kraps: l4d happens to be outright amazing, yes |
| 16:00.56 | ScytheBlade1 | l4d2 will be released in about a month though |
| 16:01.05 | Kraps | ScytheBlade1: i know |
| 16:01.37 | Voldenet | k, i can use SendWho("filter") to server |
| 16:01.45 | Voldenet | but im getting answer to my UI |
| 16:02.15 | Voldenet | there is sth like SetWhoToUI(toUIFlag), but where is that value saving? |
| 16:02.22 | mikma | scytheblade1: it's so lame that there's already 1888 users playing L4D2 :( |
| 16:02.23 | Voldenet | is it returned to what |
| 16:02.29 | ScytheBlade1 | mikma: uh. what? |
| 16:02.51 | mikma | if that "1887 in game" in the community tells you how many people play L4D2 .. |
| 16:03.03 | mikma | it also might tell you that they are just .. playing |
| 16:03.16 | Kraps | as opposed to? |
| 16:03.26 | mikma | L4D community has 7258 ingame, L4D2 community has 1887 ingame |
| 16:04.57 | Kraps | l4d2 isnt out yet though |
| 16:05.18 | mikma | no shit, krapslock |
| 16:05.42 | Kraps | dont hate |
| 16:06.01 | mikma | i'll just enrage and turn into fisker |
| 16:06.07 | mikma | slaps trout around |
| 16:06.20 | Kraps | tanq shot |
| 16:06.26 | Kraps | tranq* |
| 16:07.08 | Kraps | did you see the "boycott l4d2" group on steam? |
| 16:07.37 | mikma | ya, don't know why they have that pampers-rash |
| 16:07.54 | mikma | didn't bother inspecting it much ^^ let them boycott |
| 16:07.55 | Ycarene | Anybody know anything about number theory? |
| 16:07.59 | Kraps | they have a list of reasons |
| 16:08.37 | Kraps | Ycarene: i do, Number theory is the branch of pure mathematics concerned with the properties of numbers in general, and integers in particular, as well as the wider classes of problems that arise from their study. |
| 16:09.38 | Ycarene | Well, I'm trying to find the name of where you have a square of numbers where each number from 1-x (16 for example for a 4x4 square) where the values of the sums of the columns, rows and corner diagonals are all the same. |
| 16:10.20 | Ycarene | Ack, heh found it. |
| 16:10.23 | Ycarene | Magic Square |
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| 16:13.19 | Lopeppeppy_ | Morning, Lunessa-dear. |
| 16:13.49 | Lunessa | morning! How's the splendiferous Peppy? |
| 16:15.05 | Lopeppeppy_ | I am... shivery cold but yay, monday, lookit that. |
| 16:15.44 | NightHawkTheSane | fuck monday |
| 16:16.34 | Lunessa | huggels Lopeppeppy and passes NHTS a beer. |
| 16:20.09 | NightHawkTheSane | mmm... beer. |
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| 16:23.27 | zenzelezz | http://gizmodo.com/5366887/pov-helmet-cam-captures-skier-causing-avalanche-getting-buried-and-getting-rescued |
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| 16:30.03 | Shirik | 10.1109/MS.2004.1293075 |
| 16:30.07 | Shirik | failure |
| 16:31.08 | olafski | holy crap zenzelezz :o |
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| 16:31.23 | zenzelezz | Shirik: ..? |
| 16:31.35 | Shirik | pasted to the wrong place :P |
| 16:33.43 | Cide | MS and failure in the same sentence? how surprising. |
| 16:33.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: you ever find that quote? =] |
| 16:33.54 | Shirik | no :/ |
| 16:33.58 | *** join/#wowuidev Fisker (i=55181266@gateway/web/freenode/x-lmphcprhezstccci) |
| 16:34.00 | Shirik | Cide: It's not Microsoft :( |
| 16:34.05 | Shirik | I actually have no idea what the MS stands for |
| 16:34.05 | Fisker | fuck you |
| 16:34.16 | Cide | too bad, it'd be funnier that way |
| 16:34.32 | Fisker | whatcha talkin 'bout? |
| 16:34.59 | Cide | ur mom |
| 16:35.12 | Fisker | my mom isn't affiliated with Microsoft |
| 16:36.14 | Shirik | maybe it's "May Software" |
| 16:36.26 | Shirik | since it's from the may edition of the IEEE Software magazine |
| 16:36.34 | Shirik | May Software 2004? |
| 16:36.41 | Fisker | Maybe it's Mom, Shirik's |
| 16:36.45 | Fisker | so screw you |
| 16:36.51 | Shirik | hey Fisker |
| 16:36.54 | Shirik | how's your computer |
| 16:36.56 | Shirik | still exploding? |
| 16:36.59 | Fisker | no |
| 16:37.03 | Fisker | nothing left to explode |
| 16:37.49 | Fisker | i wish i could go back in time and eliminate Apple |
| 16:38.39 | Fisker | yeah you better run |
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| 16:39.24 | Fisker | yeah you too harl |
| 16:40.46 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 16:40.52 | Shirik | Authorized licensed use limited to: Matthew Del Buono. Downloaded on October 5, 2009 at 12:31 from IEEE Xplore. Restrictions apply. |
| 16:40.55 | Shirik | You are not authorized |
| 16:40.59 | Shirik | ownedddd |
| 16:41.36 | Fisker | Your name sucks |
| 16:42.12 | Lunessa | travels back in time and eliminates Fisker. |
| 16:42.39 | Fisker | travels forth in time and eliminates Lunessa |
| 16:43.21 | Lunessa | watches the universe implode in a bad SF-plot loophole or paradox. |
| 16:43.53 | Cide | a still more glorious dawn awaits |
| 16:45.08 | Fisker | travels to the ninth-chevron address |
| 16:47.52 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: you wouldn't dare |
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| 16:48.52 | Shirik | so |
| 16:48.59 | Shirik | Lunessa went back in time to destroy Fisker |
| 16:49.24 | Lunessa | Fisker: I've already learned to Ascend. |
| 16:49.27 | Shirik | when Fisker found out he's going to die, he went forward in time just before Lunessa went back in time to destroy Lunessa |
| 16:49.54 | Shirik | so Lunessa can no longer destroy Fisker, which meant that Fisker never knew he was going to be destroyed |
| 16:50.06 | Shirik | Fisker broke the universe |
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| 16:50.25 | nicoli_s | oh sweet, i think i had that way the universe would be broken in the office pool |
| 16:50.30 | NightHawkTheSane | well, that, or starred in a "syfy" original movie |
| 16:50.37 | Shirik | You know, Star Trek: Voyager had an interesting discussion of this |
| 16:50.43 | Fisker | no it didn't |
| 16:50.58 | Shirik | One of the episodes was with regards to a group of people trying to go back in time to change the present |
| 16:51.12 | Shirik | and every time they did, they would come back to the exact same thing, because the universe would always find some way to keep it the same |
| 16:51.33 | Shirik | something in between the past and the present would change to make the present still justifiable |
| 16:52.38 | Fisker | James T. Kirk was a great man |
| 16:52.41 | Fisker | but that was in another life |
| 16:52.49 | Lunessa | Shirik: HG Wells covered that in his "Time Machine" and so has just about every SF author since 1940. |
| 16:52.58 | Shirik | yeah but ST is better |
| 16:53.02 | Fisker | James T. Kirk was a great man |
| 16:53.03 | Fisker | but that was in another life |
| 16:53.04 | Shirik | http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Timeless |
| 16:57.28 | zenzelezz | I prefer the Night's Dawn trilogy, where souls from the beyond come back to possess the living |
| 16:58.38 | nevcairiel | speaking of James T .. i just watched the new movie yesterday, finally, and i liked him in his young version much more then in TOS :P |
| 16:59.17 | Lopeppeppy_ | Wonder if you can make chow mein from other dogs... the professor down the hall has a dog with separation issues... so she leaves it alone in her office all the time... yipping and barking.... |
| 16:59.23 | Lopeppeppy_ | hates the dogges, oh yes. |
| 17:04.12 | Tepel | In korea they eat doggies |
| 17:04.32 | Lopeppeppy_ | I know. I was offering this one for the menu |
| 17:05.26 | Tepel | Probably tastes like chicken |
| 17:05.51 | Lopeppeppy_ | Most stuff does |
| 17:09.21 | Tepel | I really need to get started on that cloning machine |
| 17:11.39 | Fisker | Gnarfoz: |
| 17:11.44 | Gnarfoz | no] |
| 17:11.44 | Fisker | you know i am your candyman |
| 17:11.55 | Fisker | Then you just ordered a thousand liters of milk |
| 17:12.25 | Bruners | hi Fisker |
| 17:15.32 | Fisker | You just ordered a thousand liters of milk |
| 17:16.35 | Bruners | Fisker: no i didnt |
| 17:16.42 | Fisker | yes you did |
| 17:16.48 | Fisker | shows Bruners the receipt |
| 17:16.59 | Bruners | Fisker: at least a month since last time i bought milk |
| 17:17.03 | Fisker | shows Bruners the receipt |
| 17:17.22 | Fisker | throws feces in Bruners' face as he gets closer |
| 17:17.28 | Fisker | win! |
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| 17:18.29 | Fisker_ | A THOUSAND LITERS OF MILK |
| 17:19.29 | Fisker | btw previously on in-game customer support |
| 17:19.44 | Fisker | *wah wah* i was logged into my gf's account while i redeemed my Blizzcon pet |
| 17:19.49 | Bruners | shows Fisker the list of best countries to live in |
| 17:20.11 | Fisker | GM: "bla bla, if you don't like write wowconcernseu@blizzard.com etc." |
| 17:20.24 | Fisker | But it was your fault as you wrongfully banned my GF's account |
| 17:20.39 | Fisker | me: BAM your GF's account got compromised = legitimate ban |
| 17:20.48 | Fisker | hey Bruners |
| 17:20.57 | Fisker | atleast our country isn't outside the top 200 |
| 17:20.59 | Fisker | :3 |
| 17:22.52 | Bruners | Fisker: do you have free dental care? |
| 17:23.23 | Fisker | I believe it's covered for basic dental care |
| 17:23.36 | Bruners | then your country is better than mine |
| 17:23.43 | Fisker | obviously |
| 17:23.56 | Ackis | yay day 3 of my "new" job and I get to see the fucker who assaulted me already /cheer |
| 17:24.54 | Fisker | i haven't returned Ackis |
| 17:25.01 | Lopeppeppy_ | I'm sorry, Ackis. *hug* |
| 17:25.10 | Lopeppeppy_ | They never did answer you, did they? |
| 17:25.43 | Ackis | nope |
| 17:25.52 | Fisker | What about me? My whole World (of Warcraft) have collapsed! |
| 17:26.02 | Fisker | atleast until tomorrow |
| 17:26.50 | Lopeppeppy_ | Jerks. |
| 17:26.54 | Lopeppeppy_ | huggles Ackis. |
| 17:27.12 | _rane | correct me if I'm wrong but I guess there's no way to play sounds with PlaySound() or similar so that they are audible in the OS? |
| 17:27.46 | durcyn | _rane: only if 'play sound in background' is set |
| 17:27.49 | kdtresh | _rane: do you have background audio enabled normally? |
| 17:27.57 | Fisker | kdtresh ? |
| 17:28.02 | _rane | hm |
| 17:28.06 | kdtresh | there's a setting for it |
| 17:28.14 | kdtresh | durcyn beat me to it :P |
| 17:28.20 | durcyn | kdtresh: jinx, you owe me a coke |
| 17:28.21 | kdtresh | i don't have it open right now to get the exact wording |
| 17:28.28 | _rane | found it, thanks a lot |
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| 17:28.57 | Ackis | if only durcyn didn't tell me I could fly, the window is looking mighty fine right now :| |
| 17:29.12 | durcyn | Ackis: you can fly |
| 17:29.20 | durcyn | man, i had the greatest flying dream last night |
| 17:29.29 | Fisker | i hate flying dreams :( |
| 17:29.31 | Fisker | i always die |
| 17:29.34 | Lopeppeppy_ | Ackis. No. |
| 17:29.35 | durcyn | i was zipping through the air like a godamn superhero |
| 17:29.37 | Lopeppeppy_ | The Girl will be upset. |
| 17:29.52 | Ackis | the girl will get life insurance |
| 17:29.54 | Fisker | I also sometimes dream about certain accidents |
| 17:29.59 | Fisker | So i'm crossing the street |
| 17:30.09 | Fisker | and then half a mile down the road there is a car |
| 17:30.13 | Fisker | Then i start moving in slomo :( |
| 17:30.24 | Fisker | and i always end up getting killed |
| 17:30.32 | Lopeppeppy_ | Not married yet, no insurance for her. |
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| 17:37.06 | durcyn | she could be the beneficiary without nuptials |
| 17:37.18 | durcyn | and not the beneficiary post-nuptuals, for that matter |
| 17:37.19 | Shirik | batrick |
| 17:37.21 | Shirik | you are a clone |
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| 17:37.38 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 17:37.43 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 17:37.59 | Fisker | btw durcyn |
| 17:38.02 | Fisker | i'm just gonna brr |
| 17:38.15 | Lopeppeppy | I lurves trillian. |
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| 17:38.29 | nicoli_s | ditto |
| 17:39.10 | Fisker | i |
| 17:39.12 | Fisker | BRR'd |
| 17:40.01 | Shirik | wow. |
| 17:40.09 | Shirik | elinks arbitrary code execution vulnerability |
| 17:40.13 | Shirik | that's an unexpected one |
| 17:40.22 | batrick | what shirik |
| 17:40.43 | Voldenet | "attempt to index field '?' (a number value)" what that means? |
| 17:40.44 | Fisker | srsly Shirik |
| 17:40.46 | Fisker | I BRR'd |
| 17:40.47 | Shirik | you are a clone batrick |
| 17:40.51 | Fisker | deal with it :( |
| 17:40.53 | batrick | wtf does that mean |
| 17:40.55 | Shirik | Voldenet: It means you attempted to index a field of a number |
| 17:41.12 | Shirik | Clones in #wowuidev: [*!*@batbytes.com] 2: batbot   batrick |
| 17:41.12 | Shirik |  -⺠Unique hosts: 146/148 (98.6%) |
| 17:41.33 | batrick | is that bad? |
| 17:41.38 | Shirik | yes |
| 17:41.40 | Shirik | I can no longer trust you |
| 17:41.56 | batrick | you once trusted me? |
| 17:42.00 | Shirik | :( |
| 17:42.03 | batrick | :D |
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| 17:47.51 | Shirik | Someone who knows healers |
| 17:48.02 | Shirik | Holy paladins rely on high int and +healing right? |
| 17:48.04 | Shirik | @ Lopeppeppy maybe |
| 17:48.17 | Shirik | Should a holy paladin's +healing and mana always be higher than a priest's? |
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| 17:48.17 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 17:48.41 | Lopeppeppy | ... that is not an easy question, Shirik. |
| 17:48.52 | Shirik | Let me explain in more detail then |
| 17:48.56 | Lopeppeppy | We balance int, +heal and mp5 stats. |
| 17:49.06 | Shirik | I have a paladin here that is saying he is "adequately geared for toc" |
| 17:49.17 | Shirik | My gear is ok. It's not great, but it's ok. Certainly "adequate" to "good" |
| 17:49.30 | Shirik | I have 300 more mana than this paladin and 400 more +healing |
| 17:49.33 | Shirik | and this is unbuffed |
| 17:49.37 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah? |
| 17:49.48 | Dagmar | I'm sorry, did ToC become a gear check when I wasn't looking? |
| 17:49.56 | Shirik | I have 388 mp5 while casting, 187 for him |
| 17:50.01 | Dagmar | He's not NAKED, right? |
| 17:50.03 | Lopeppeppy | Our mechanics are different than yours. The +healing should be comparable last I knew, but the mana pool is apples and oranges. |
| 17:50.09 | Shirik | Dagmar: It is definitely a gear check |
| 17:50.23 | Shirik | my question really is Lopeppeppy, do you think he's geared |
| 17:50.27 | Dagmar | Shirik: Considering that I've done it with level 75 quest greens? |
| 17:50.32 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure you haven't |
| 17:50.33 | Lopeppeppy | I have no idea. I don't do raiding at all currently. |
| 17:50.44 | Shirik | you and I are talking about two completely different ToCs |
| 17:50.48 | Dagmar | Are we talking about 10- or 25-man? |
| 17:50.53 | Shirik | 25 man heroic |
| 17:50.56 | Dagmar | I assumed 5. |
| 17:51.12 | Dagmar | Tell him to come back when he's got Superior at least then |
| 17:51.15 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy :( |
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| 17:52.05 | Dagmar | Wait... Tell us his name so we can armory him and laugh. :0 |
| 17:52.07 | Dagmar | ;) |
| 17:52.16 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, I've been one handed for well over a month now, and I had only JUST gotten myself a new authenticator before that happened. :( |
| 17:52.20 | Lopeppeppy | I'm a bad luck bear this year. |
| 17:53.23 | Lunessa | Shirik: 25-Man ToCr = OMFG hard for me right now. |
| 17:53.37 | Shirik | We just downed Jarraxus on heroic last night |
| 17:53.43 | Shirik | With 1 attempt remaining |
| 17:53.45 | Shirik | it was epic |
| 17:53.48 | Shirik | I SSed it |
| 17:54.40 | Lunessa | I've successfully completed 10-Man normal, and most of 25-man normal. Heroic makes me cringe. And I'm 'decently gerared.' |
| 17:55.14 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/388148598df29a3ad1d5236fddf5b606.jpg |
| 17:55.22 | Shirik | Don't complain about my UI. This is the state I leave it in while developing. |
| 17:56.35 | Tepel | Standard action bars are annoying! |
| 17:56.41 | Tepel | imo |
| 17:56.41 | Shirik | I don't even use them |
| 17:56.42 | Lunessa | http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/matt_converse/WoW%20Interface%20Gallery/Unkle-UI-raid-2009-09-30.jpg |
| 17:56.48 | Lunessa | That's mine right now. |
| 17:56.51 | Shirik | I use them to tell me what cooldowns are around |
| 17:57.02 | Shirik | when Bongos died I refused to change |
| 17:57.09 | Tepel | :) |
| 17:57.35 | Shirik | anyway yeah, I generally am doing a lot more coding than raiding while raiding |
| 17:57.36 | Shirik | so |
| 17:57.43 | Shirik | I just put my screen into information overload |
| 17:57.46 | Shirik | you should see what happens during the fight |
| 17:57.47 | Lunessa | Dominos - It's so good I probably owe Tuller an entire brewery and a harem. |
| 17:57.50 | Tepel | Need a new mail tool |
| 17:57.56 | Shirik | why? |
| 17:58.02 | Shirik | See this is the problem with people |
| 17:58.06 | Shirik | "omg need _________" |
| 17:58.12 | Shirik | Instead of asking "why?" they ask "why not?" |
| 17:58.22 | Dagmar | Well, in the case of mail, probably greater than 80% of the players could use a better one |
| 17:58.30 | Shirik | It's a fricking mailbox |
| 17:58.39 | Shirik | You go to it, take out your mail, go do other stuff |
| 17:58.41 | Tepel | I want to send items in bulk to alts |
| 17:58.44 | Shirik | And I don't |
| 17:58.49 | Lunessa | Default in-game mail has been largely fine for my simple needs. |
| 17:58.56 | Dagmar | It's a bottomless pit of lost items if you use it to bounce stuff back and forth to an auction wh*re |
| 17:58.56 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/wow/WoWScrnShot_092609_224221.jpg |
| 17:59.16 | Shirik | you have died. |
| 17:59.17 | Dagmar | ...or if you do a lot of crafting through the auction house for that matter. |
| 17:59.23 | Shirik | and I don't |
| 17:59.32 | Shirik | again you cannot make the assumption "I need this, so everyone must need it" |
| 17:59.41 | Lopeppeppy | I like my mail just fine. |
| 17:59.45 | Shirik | and the correct question is not "Why shouldn't they have it even if they don't need it" |
| 17:59.48 | Lopeppeppy | for those who need more, use an addon, that's what they are there for. |
| 17:59.55 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I have a system. I have a vanity guild, a second account and the vanity guild bank has 2 tabs. I just pass stuff from one toon to the other. |
| 18:00.19 | Dagmar | Ah, well, I go through most of my gaming time with about 2,000g in total on all my toons |
| 18:01.08 | Dagmar | Then every so often I decide I want something and then all three of my crafting toons get neck deep in auction reciepts, materials, and bounced auctions. |
| 18:01.28 | Lunessa | I went nuts the other day, and spent like 230 emblems of conquest on my off-spec kit for Unkle. I'm now "gear score" qualified to sign up as a healer for our Ulduar runs. |
| 18:01.55 | Lopeppeppy | gear score. wheee. |
| 18:02.02 | Lopeppeppy | sighs. |
| 18:02.06 | Tepel | gear score is fail |
| 18:03.06 | Lopeppeppy | nah, I'm all fail. |
| 18:03.21 | Lunessa | Tepel: In a world where objective standards for strangers are hard to come by, what else would you use? |
| 18:03.47 | Dagmar | Lunessa: I'd take 'em through HToC a few times as an audition |
| 18:03.57 | Lunessa | There aren't lots of metrics to tell you, "this person can probably do the task." |
| 18:04.05 | Dagmar | What? |
| 18:04.16 | Dagmar | There's like 20 instances in Northrend that can be used |
| 18:04.35 | Lunessa | Dagmar: That's fine. But I'm not audtioning 24 people that way for VoA, EoE, etc. |
| 18:04.38 | Tepel | Indeed, taking them out for a spin is one idea |
| 18:04.56 | Tepel | But that fails when you have a lot of incoming/outgoing members |
| 18:05.19 | Tepel | References work sometimes |
| 18:05.38 | Tepel | It usually weeds out the total tards |
| 18:05.48 | Lunessa | Right, as does a stable set of people on your friends list or a large enough guild. |
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| 18:06.37 | Tepel | But I guess gear rating can be used to somewhat give an indication of the player's skill/willingness to play |
| 18:07.45 | Dagmar | If you're trying to PUG up a 25-man, I'm thinking calling a psychic couldn't hurt, and probably a visit to the local religious structure to give confession wouldn't be a bad idea either. |
| 18:08.00 | Tepel | Bah, I want BWL te reset! |
| 18:08.00 | Tepel | s/te/to/ |
| 18:08.17 | Dagmar | I wouldn't pay attention to gear score for people I've got flagged seven stars or higher with NotesUNeed |
| 18:08.34 | Tepel | I just dumped NotesUNeed |
| 18:08.42 | Dagmar | Have you found something better? |
| 18:08.43 | Tepel | I had no use for 90% of it's functionality :P |
| 18:08.54 | Tepel | Instead I changed AuctionLite :) |
| 18:08.57 | Dagmar | Hmm... I need it. I keep track of who I've grouped with |
| 18:09.32 | Tepel | I need it to keep track of prices at which I buy items of the AH |
| 18:09.37 | Lunessa | But we ended up pugging 10 people for Onyxia-25 the other night and it was the third most painful pugging experience of my life. |
| 18:09.48 | Dagmar | Not suprising |
| 18:09.55 | Lopeppeppy | Ony is complicated. |
| 18:10.00 | Tepel | You know, She deep breaths more |
| 18:10.03 | Tepel | No wonder people die |
| 18:10.22 | Dagmar | I dunno about complicated, but it's definitely unforgiving, involves a LOT of running back and forth, and it's a right *bitch* if you're a hunter |
| 18:10.46 | Lunessa | Ony is butt simple. The trick is putting up big numbers fast and not standing in the whelps/fire. |
| 18:10.49 | Tepel | I don't see why it would be worse for a hunter |
| 18:11.06 | Tepel | Apart from your pet dying |
| 18:11.08 | Lunessa | Trying being an enhancement shaman. :P |
| 18:11.18 | Dagmar | Tepel: How about the fact that she spends half the fight way in the air where pets can't reach |
| 18:11.27 | Dagmar | Pet dying isn't an issue |
| 18:11.34 | Tepel | I'm a rogue, I can't do anything during the air phase :) |
| 18:11.38 | Dagmar | I was wasting mana casting pet heal out of habit |
| 18:12.33 | Tepel | You could put your pet on the other big guys that spawn |
| 18:12.46 | Tepel | But yeah, pet AI needs a revamp |
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| 18:12.55 | Tepel | add a "Follow and help" button |
| 18:13.06 | Tepel | For a target |
| 18:13.16 | Tepel | That would pretty much fix everything |
| 18:13.37 | Tepel | Well, not everything ofcourse |
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| 18:14.13 | Lopeppeppy | Sure would help the gold farmers though. |
| 18:14.20 | Tepel | It's the same with imps and blood pact, you want the MT to have it, but when the imp follows you there's the chance the MT looses the buff |
| 18:14.37 | Tepel | hehe |
| 18:14.50 | Tepel | a lvl 1 char protected by 10 lvl 80 pets :P |
| 18:15.47 | Lunessa | Poor level 10 - no loot, no exp - level 80 pet K/S everything |
| 18:15.54 | Tepel | haha |
| 18:16.08 | Tepel | hadn't thought about that |
| 18:16.27 | Tepel | But fine, limit it to party/raid members only |
| 18:16.42 | Tepel | It would be a useful function |
| 18:18.53 | Tepel | btw, who knows what'll happen to blackrock mountain when cataclysm hits? |
| 18:19.00 | Tepel | As in, the instances located there |
| 18:19.17 | nevcairiel | probably stay there, in some form |
| 18:19.26 | Tepel | Even Raggy? |
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| 18:19.50 | nevcairiel | wouldn't be the first time that you fight the same boss in two dungeons |
| 18:19.53 | nevcairiel | but only blizz knows |
| 18:20.19 | Tepel | I'm only 1 item short of full T2 |
| 18:20.35 | Tepel | Then there's T1 I'd like to have |
| 18:20.37 | Lunessa | There will be a new dungeon added there according to announcements at BlizzCon, but no details were mentioned about the older instances. |
| 18:20.46 | Tepel | And then there's TF I'd really like to have |
| 18:21.06 | nevcairiel | I owned all the old sets when they were "new", i don't really need to own them now =p |
| 18:21.24 | Tepel | I have my destroyed darkmantle items restored |
| 18:21.34 | Tepel | Took a while to get it to happen though |
| 18:21.45 | Tepel | s/have/had/ |
| 18:22.14 | Tepel | The only problem is the lack of storage |
| 18:22.25 | nevcairiel | thats why i throw those away |
| 18:22.27 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 18:22.47 | nevcairiel | I know that i earned those sets back in the classic days, i don't need to carry them around in my bank to proof me that |
| 18:22.58 | Tepel | Well, I only use my bank for the storage of useless items |
| 18:23.09 | Lunessa | When 18 slot bags were the biggest in the game, I used to joke a lot about playing "World of Inventory Craft" |
| 18:23.56 | Tepel | I still don't understand why there hasn't been an upgrade for the main bag |
| 18:24.01 | Tepel | It's now the smallest ... |
| 18:24.12 | nevcairiel | its been the smallest since late classic |
| 18:24.20 | Tepel | Oh right, Ony bag |
| 18:24.45 | nevcairiel | ony, zul'gurub .. couldn't you craft some too? |
| 18:25.02 | Tepel | donno |
| 18:25.07 | nevcairiel | I miss old classic :( |
| 18:25.20 | nevcairiel | the game was somehow more fun back then |
| 18:25.29 | Tepel | That's your imagination |
| 18:25.31 | nevcairiel | maybe it was because i didnt play 5 years already, but still! |
| 18:25.32 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: Only cause it was new. |
| 18:25.43 | Tepel | Only the fun memories you retain |
| 18:25.56 | nevcairiel | We did so much more fun events back in the day |
| 18:26.11 | nevcairiel | it all died down |
| 18:26.34 | Tepel | Pirates Day was a major fail |
| 18:26.40 | nevcairiel | i didnt even log in to see it |
| 18:29.28 | Lunessa | You went to boot bay, danced on a roof and drank a brew. |
| 18:32.07 | Arrowmaster | that event was around last year too |
| 18:32.13 | alestane | Pirate's Day was not supposed to be a big deal. |
| 18:32.28 | Tepel | It was? |
| 18:32.34 | Tepel | Hadn't noticed |
| 18:33.12 | Dagmar | It's _just_ *Talk* Like A Pirate Day |
| 18:33.27 | Shirik | type irc like a pirate day |
| 18:33.53 | Dagmar | It's not Dress Like A Pirate Day, or Drink Like A Pirate Day, or Shop Like A Pirate Day or anything like that |
| 18:34.25 | Dagmar | There used to be stuff on their site about "If you decide to wear a pirate shirt to work, you're doing it wrong! It's not halloween!" |
| 18:34.26 | Cide | or Totally Not Trying To Have Fun Like A Pirate Day |
| 18:34.31 | Tepel | It at least warrants a new language like Binary Brew :P |
| 18:34.38 | Cide | or Totally Being Boring Not Like A Pirate Day |
| 18:34.50 | Dagmar | Hey the only thing keeping you from being a pirate is you |
| 18:34.52 | Dagmar | ...and the MPAA. |
| 18:35.05 | Arrowmaster | no they arent |
| 18:35.13 | Dagmar | You wanna see *real* fail? |
| 18:35.33 | Dagmar | http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/disney-netpal-hands-on-with-video/ |
| 18:35.46 | Dagmar | Disney has a branded netbook targeted towards kids. |
| 18:35.47 | Dagmar | ...with a built in webcam. |
| 18:36.00 | nicoli_s | haha |
| 18:36.01 | Dagmar | Yay stalkerism! |
| 18:36.27 | nicoli_s | too bad it doesnt have a built in wine dispneser, thatd be even be a better product |
| 18:36.28 | Tepel | All laptops have webcams |
| 18:37.00 | Tepel | But it's common nowadays to have 10yo post films of themselves on yewtube |
| 18:37.15 | Lunessa | Because what we really, really want is overweight, greasy, middle-aged perverts looking at kids through their own web-cams. |
| 18:37.22 | Lopeppeppy | I don't believe that mine has a webcam. |
| 18:37.57 | nicoli_s | thats exactly what the guy who sold you the webcam wants to happen Lopeppeppy |
| 18:37.57 | Tepel | :) |
| 18:37.57 | Lopeppeppy | As if. |
| 18:38.00 | nicoli_s | if you dont know its there, how can you know its always running... |
| 18:38.03 | Arrowmaster | ive got 3 laptops, 2 of which are really old but the new one is new enough to have a core2, and it doesnt have a webcam |
| 18:38.27 | Tepel | I haven't figured out how to tell windows _not_ to load drivers for the integrated webcam |
| 18:38.36 | Lopeppeppy | *tinfoil hat* |
| 18:38.42 | Tepel | Exactly! |
| 18:38.42 | Arrowmaster | device manager, disable hardware |
| 18:39.09 | Tepel | Arrowmaster: unfortunatly that setting get's overruled when things change to the system |
| 18:39.16 | Dagmar | Create phony null driver, assign it the device's USB prod and vend codes, install it. |
| 18:39.18 | Dagmar | Reboot. |
| 18:39.24 | Tepel | I can disable it and after a while it resets the device |
| 18:39.29 | Arrowmaster | then reinstall windows because thats not suppost to happen |
| 18:39.51 | Tepel | I will, once I feel like installing it again |
| 18:39.59 | Tepel | Since I now have a 64-bit vista CD |
| 18:40.05 | Dagmar | Simpler mode, get the driver for the webcam, take the inf file for it and edit it. |
| 18:40.25 | Dagmar | Delete all actual _drivers_ from the inf file and you'll basically have created a driver stopper. |
| 18:40.53 | Dagmar | Windows'll boot, match the device to the driver (which now has a very recent date unless you were asleep during editing) and use it |
| 18:41.09 | Tepel | Linux is so much easier |
| 18:41.15 | Dagmar | Alternatively, if you want to drive someone insane, give them a mouse "driver" like this |
| 18:41.15 | nevcairiel | also remember to delete the .inf's file catalog file |
| 18:41.44 | Lopeppeppy | I prefer rock paper scissors! |
| 18:41.55 | Tepel | Those void the warranty |
| 18:42.01 | Dagmar | Windows Xp at least will totally green light a driver that has no actual driver or resources assigned to it. |
| 18:42.08 | Lunessa | All I need is more net-sluts to get web cams. *nod*nod* |
| 18:42.08 | Tepel | Duct tape might work though :P |
| 18:42.42 | Shirik | :( |
| 18:42.45 | Shirik | IT denied replacement of our server |
| 18:42.51 | Tepel | The one that died? |
| 18:42.56 | Lopeppeppy | Ouchies |
| 18:42.57 | Shirik | they only will replace the drive |
| 18:43.04 | Shirik | Even though it's like a 10 year old box |
| 18:43.11 | Shirik | Closer to 6 I guess but still |
| 18:43.12 | Tepel | Attach the power supply the wrong way |
| 18:43.15 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:43.19 | Shirik | it's locked |
| 18:43.28 | Tepel | "I just wanted to test it one last time" |
| 18:43.29 | Arrowmaster | they know where to get pata drives still? |
| 18:43.36 | Shirik | apparently |
| 18:43.46 | Shirik | I mean PATA isn't ancient |
| 18:43.47 | Arrowmaster | do they know it uses pata? |
| 18:43.49 | Tepel | Unleach some static electrickery on the mobo |
| 18:43.51 | Shirik | it shouldn't be that hard |
| 18:43.56 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: They've already ordered the part so... |
| 18:44.17 | Arrowmaster | if you get an sata drive be sure to tell us |
| 18:44.22 | Shirik | They did give us a 160GB drive instead of the 80GB that's in there though |
| 18:44.42 | Tepel | I'd still drop the entire system on the floor or down the stairs |
| 18:44.51 | Shirik | and then what do I tell IT? |
| 18:44.54 | Shirik | oh |
| 18:44.55 | Shirik | funny story |
| 18:44.56 | Tepel | Accident |
| 18:44.58 | Shirik | the guys to fix my AC came today |
| 18:45.02 | Shirik | they told me what was wrong |
| 18:45.07 | Shirik | the AC unit fell over |
| 18:45.08 | Shirik | literally |
| 18:45.19 | Arrowmaster | and you didnt notice this? |
| 18:45.21 | Shirik | I still haven't figured out how that happened |
| 18:45.26 | Shirik | I didn't go look at it! |
| 18:45.28 | Shirik | It's outside |
| 18:45.38 | Shirik | all I knew was it was making a really loud noise |
| 18:45.40 | Lopeppeppy | When did this happen? You've had tons of AC issues, did they JUST notice? |
| 18:45.45 | Shirik | no this is a new one |
| 18:45.50 | Dagmar | Locks won't protect your server from determination |
| 18:45.52 | Shirik | it started making a really strange loud noise on Friday |
| 18:45.58 | Dagmar | If you can touch it, you can kill it |
| 18:46.05 | Shirik | Dagmar: Sure, but it would be quite evident |
| 18:46.16 | Dagmar | Nah, jam a paper clip into some of the ports on the back |
| 18:46.18 | Tepel | I know of an AC unit that get's cooled my a waterhose running over the building's roof down to groundlevel where the AC is |
| 18:46.54 | Tepel | High voltage works best though Shirik |
| 18:47.04 | Tepel | Then you can blame them as they install and power up the new HDD |
| 18:47.06 | Dagmar | Tepel: Some of our AC units amount to adding an extra floor to the building |
| 18:47.13 | Dagmar | We used a chilled/heated water system |
| 18:47.18 | Shirik | problem is the higher the voltage, the more likely it is to only fry a single component |
| 18:47.20 | Lopeppeppy | Can they fix it, Shirik? |
| 18:47.22 | Shirik | I know it sounds backwards, but that's true |
| 18:47.26 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: Well they can replace the drive |
| 18:47.31 | Shirik | it will still run like crap like it always has |
| 18:47.36 | Lopeppeppy | The AC though? |
| 18:47.38 | Shirik | They can't /not/ fix it |
| 18:47.38 | Shirik | oh |
| 18:47.42 | Dagmar | Shirik: This is why a paper clip across pins on the serial port to the USB bus works wonders |
| 18:47.43 | Shirik | well I guess :) |
| 18:48.02 | Shirik | actually, Dagmar, any ATX-compliant system must latch off a shorted USB bus |
| 18:48.05 | Shirik | it should not destroy anything |
| 18:48.20 | Tepel | Graphics card? |
| 18:48.25 | Dagmar | That would be nice if you weren't looking to abuse the ground |
| 18:48.36 | Tepel | Oh ! Voltage tweaking, fry the CPU |
| 18:48.42 | Dagmar | Or go the old fashioned cube-worker's route |
| 18:48.45 | Shirik | I can't access BIOS |
| 18:48.48 | Tepel | Lame |
| 18:48.50 | Shirik | nor do I think I could tweak it anyway |
| 18:48.51 | Dagmar | Tape a 3x5 card to the PSU's exhaust port |
| 18:48.53 | Shirik | it's a Dell |
| 18:49.01 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:49.01 | Shirik | wtf |
| 18:49.11 | Arrowmaster | just mess around inside the case and cause something to ground out so that when the new drive gets installed it wont boot |
| 18:49.16 | Shirik | "it overheated" |
| 18:49.22 | Shirik | I can't get in the case Arrowmaster |
| 18:49.26 | Shirik | if I could it would be easy |
| 18:49.27 | Tepel | "Must be the new HDD" |
| 18:49.37 | Lopeppeppy | There's fixing and there's "It will take us a week to replace because we cant' just tip it right side up) |
| 18:49.38 | Dagmar | I kid you not there were cube workers who *regularly* shoved their machines up against the wall of their cubicle because they knew blocking the airflow would kill it in a few days and buy them some free "wandering around the building" time |
| 18:49.58 | Tepel | rofl |
| 18:50.00 | Shirik | it takes you that long to get a new desktop? |
| 18:50.04 | Tepel | That's bad |
| 18:50.10 | Shirik | wow, where I worked over the summer things were replaced in less than 30 minutes |
| 18:50.18 | Lopeppeppy | Summer. |
| 18:50.27 | Shirik | It wasn't just me |
| 18:50.45 | Dagmar | They had to wait for _me_ to get there to replace it |
| 18:50.45 | Dagmar | 4 hour turnaround time. |
| 18:50.45 | Shirik | one of my coworkers (permanent) asked for a new monitor? sure no problem |
| 18:50.54 | Shirik | They had everything |
| 18:51.02 | Shirik | Of course, computers were basically our lives so... |
| 18:53.20 | Shirik | You know what I don't understand though |
| 18:53.36 | Shirik | all of the computers in the computer labs are replaced every 2 years |
| 18:53.46 | Tepel | 2 years is pretty quick |
| 18:53.49 | Shirik | Yet we don't have the budget to upgrade this one, 6-7+ year old computer |
| 18:54.35 | Shirik | which is a PRODUCTION computer |
| 18:54.35 | Tepel | Get one from the lab? :P |
| 18:54.35 | Shirik | yeah.... I think they'd notice |
| 18:54.58 | Lunessa | I used to work (in the early 80s) with a lot of dumb terminals connected to a "minicomputer" - we had these ENORMOUS boxes for the monochrome CRTs in the things with large vent slots. The book-keeping week ended on Thursday, so that was a hectic day for IT since people were trying to finish everything for close of business and an IT problem meant frantic calls to us. |
| 18:55.18 | Lunessa | We had a woman who routinely destroyed a terminal every week. |
| 18:55.31 | Lopeppeppy | ... |
| 18:55.36 | Shirik | here's a thought |
| 18:55.37 | Tepel | Blocking the vent is a bad idea |
| 18:55.39 | Shirik | don't wait until the last minute? |
| 18:55.44 | Dagmar | Why? |
| 18:55.49 | Dagmar | It does a good job of killing equipment |
| 18:56.03 | Dagmar | Leaves no trace either unless you're an idiot and use duct tape or something |
| 18:56.09 | Arrowmaster | OMFG ROFL |
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| 18:56.33 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Let me guess, she used the air suction to hold some papers up for her to type in? |
| 18:56.37 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: I'm just convinced I create problems with everything I touch |
| 18:56.40 | Lunessa | Turns out she was watering a plant over it |
| 18:56.43 | Shirik | wtf |
| 18:56.54 | Arrowmaster | im playing the brutal legend demo and he starts to curse and this dialog pops up asking if i want to hear the curse words or if 'its funnier when its bleeped out' |
| 18:57.16 | Shirik | dialog pops up? |
| 18:57.20 | Shirik | Like a survey? |
| 18:57.32 | Shirik | or asking for censorship? |
| 18:57.35 | Arrowmaster | its like 'you stupid mother f....' *pause* *popup* |
| 18:57.44 | Arrowmaster | censorship |
| 18:57.48 | Lunessa | And pouring water off the plant leaves into the terminal vents |
| 18:57.55 | Shirik | but it asked you if it's funnier when it's bleeped out? |
| 18:57.59 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 18:58.04 | Shirik | that's awesome |
| 18:58.35 | Shirik | Lunessa: And she removed the plant every time she called IT |
| 18:58.36 | Shirik | ? |
| 18:58.47 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Thta's impressive levels of fail |
| 18:59.03 | Arrowmaster | "I want to hear every nasty syllable" "Its funnier if you bleep it out" are the options |
| 18:59.05 | Lunessa | Shirik: Yeah. I only found out because I caught her moving the plant so we could move the terminal |
| 18:59.09 | Dagmar | Not quite "toasty warmer" levels of fail, but pretty good nonetheless |
| 18:59.41 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Awesome |
| 18:59.46 | Lopeppeppy | No doubt she didn't want the plant to be in your way while you worked! |
| 18:59.52 | Lunessa | We couldn't figure out how the hell she was frying one every week - and at the time each terminal was about $1.5K in replacement cost. |
| 19:00.02 | Shirik | that's all? |
| 19:00.05 | Lunessa | But she was a director and got whatever she wanted. |
| 19:00.19 | Lunessa | Shirik: We bought in bulk. |
| 19:00.26 | Shirik | lucky |
| 19:00.39 | Shirik | I mean |
| 19:00.39 | Lunessa | And we're talking about 1984 - 1987 |
| 19:00.44 | Shirik | you probably could just open a bulk order just for her |
| 19:00.50 | Shirik | buy 200 |
| 19:00.56 | Shirik | it'll last half a year |
| 19:02.44 | Arrowmaster | rofl a popup for gore now |
| 19:02.49 | Lunessa | Good old Que and WICAT terminals - how I don't miss you at all. |
| 19:03.22 | Arrowmaster | saying its there for humor, historal accuracy, and when it looks awesome, the options are "Ok but only when it really would look awesome" and "No gore, please!" |
| 19:04.07 | Arrowmaster | these popups in the cutscene asking questsions about censorship are so funny |
| 19:06.02 | Shirik | Lunessa |
| 19:06.11 | Shirik | stop making me feel young |
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| 19:06.53 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, stop being it. |
| 19:06.54 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 19:07.00 | Shirik | I'm not :( |
| 19:07.04 | ccox | you are too |
| 19:07.17 | Shirik | hey ccox |
| 19:07.22 | Shirik | I had something to tell you the other day |
| 19:07.27 | Shirik | but I completely forgot what it was |
| 19:07.45 | ccox | 80186 cores on a FPGA? |
| 19:07.47 | Lunessa | Shirik: I went into the work force very young. I went to college at 15 and had to pay my own way - very little in loans, grants, etc. So I worked. A LOT. :P |
| 19:08.07 | Shirik | oh yeah! |
| 19:08.11 | Shirik | I guess I did tell you |
| 19:08.14 | Shirik | nm then :( |
| 19:08.17 | ccox | :-) |
| 19:08.22 | Shirik | Oh I found a 1-bit processor implementation too |
| 19:08.30 | Shirik | I'm going to see how many I can fit |
| 19:08.36 | nevcairiel | we're down to 80186 now? 386 still too fast for you? :P |
| 19:08.45 | Shirik | and wire together |
| 19:08.51 | Shirik | I think I can probably make like a 1024-bit processor |
| 19:14.37 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Nobody has an implementation of a 386 it seems :( |
| 19:14.41 | Shirik | Maybe I could do it |
| 19:14.47 | Shirik | but it would be a significant undertaking |
| 19:14.58 | nevcairiel | you know, keeping the 32-bit mode would be kinda nice |
| 19:15.01 | nevcairiel | protected mode kinda sucks |
| 19:15.40 | Shirik | protected mode is great |
| 19:15.42 | Shirik | what's the problem? |
| 19:15.56 | nevcairiel | too few and too short registers :P |
| 19:15.59 | Shirik | and don't all x86 chips today still have real mode support? |
| 19:16.10 | Dagmar | bewm |
| 19:16.29 | nevcairiel | of course they support it |
| 19:16.40 | Voldenet | is there any way to crop texture? |
| 19:16.57 | Voldenet | i would like one icon of those: Interface\\WorldStateFrame\\Icons-Classes.blp |
| 19:16.57 | nevcairiel | texcoords |
| 19:17.11 | nevcairiel | look up texcoords on wowwiki :) |
| 19:17.19 | Shirik | so why would you say "keeping the 32-bit mode would be kinda nice" |
| 19:17.25 | Shirik | or was that 386 over 186? |
| 19:17.28 | nevcairiel | yea |
| 19:17.32 | Voldenet | thx |
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| 19:17.52 | Lunessa | mmmm... new blackberry |
| 19:18.00 | Shirik | maybe I'll work on a 386 implementation |
| 19:18.16 | Shirik | It would be more fun to do a pentium+ implementation though |
| 19:18.23 | Dagmar | Real mode breaks things you want to keep |
| 19:18.25 | Dagmar | "Real mode provides no support for memory protection, multitasking, or code privilege levels." <-- DO NOT WANT |
| 19:18.32 | Shirik | well sure |
| 19:18.40 | Shirik | I thought nevcairiel was advocating real mode over protected mode |
| 19:18.49 | Shirik | but he was advocating 386 over 186 |
| 19:18.50 | nevcairiel | nah, i fuzzled the terms up :P |
| 19:19.07 | zenzelezz | let's go back to segmented memory too |
| 19:19.32 | Shirik | we still have segments |
| 19:19.39 | Shirik | they aren't really used in the same way, but they exist |
| 19:20.10 | Shirik | oh my lord |
| 19:20.14 | Shirik | this 8086 implementation is 206MB |
| 19:20.20 | Shirik | I hoep most of that is tests |
| 19:22.44 | Shirik | oh I downloaded the entire repo |
| 19:22.44 | Shirik | oops |
| 19:22.56 | zenzelezz | nab |
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| 19:35.48 | Shirik | I just applied calculus to WoW |
| 19:36.15 | Lopeppeppy | Did it hurt? |
| 19:36.26 | Shirik | I criticized an applicant because the derivative of his dps (which I called dpsps) is much lower than other raiding members |
| 19:36.38 | Shirik | meaning that he does not pull himself to max dps fast enough |
| 19:36.52 | Shirik | for all players there is a "rise time" for dps |
| 19:37.00 | Shirik | shortening that rise time can make a big difference |
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| 19:40.13 | zenzelezz | <Shirik> for all players there is a "rise time" <-- for most guys this goes pretty fast |
| 19:40.21 | Shirik | not for this guy :P |
| 19:40.48 | Lopeppeppy | ... |
| 19:40.56 | zenzelezz | at least peppy got it |
| 19:41.45 | Shirik | ... |
| 19:41.57 | Shirik | sorry |
| 19:41.59 | Shirik | my mind is not like yours |
| 19:42.06 | zenzelezz | clearly |
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| 19:42.52 | Lopeppeppy | I am a bad girl |
| 19:43.08 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: that's why we lurves you |
| 19:43.13 | Tepel | Maybe, but are your legs worth spreading? |
| 19:43.28 | zenzelezz | see, there's innuendo, and there's going too far |
| 19:43.35 | Tepel | Not my joke, I still find it hilarious! |
| 19:43.50 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, right. |
| 19:44.01 | Tepel | LICD! |
| 19:44.42 | NightHawkTheSane | http://leasticoulddo.com/comic/20090926 |
| 19:44.46 | NightHawkTheSane | i thought it was hilarious. |
| 19:44.51 | Tepel | Uhuh! |
| 19:45.36 | Tepel | LICD Beginnings are awesome too |
| 19:46.11 | Shirik | wtf |
| 19:46.18 | Lopeppeppy | That's because you are boys, I find it completely tasteless, and I am not without a dark humor. |
| 19:46.18 | Shirik | you all read strange comics |
| 19:46.38 | Shirik | I guess that implies I am not a boy |
| 19:46.48 | kd3 | ouch? |
| 19:46.54 | zenzelezz | I had a girl tell me I had to read the sexylosers comic |
| 19:47.04 | Tepel | Lopeppeppy: even the Beginnings edition |
| 19:47.18 | Lopeppeppy | You ddin't comment on the comic, Shirik, so I didn't intend to imply things about you. |
| 19:47.21 | NightHawkTheSane | sexylosers was awesome. |
| 19:47.26 | mikma | http://www.smh.com.au/technology/biz-tech/apple-claims-woolies-is-getting-fresh-with-new-logo-20091004-ghxe.html |
| 19:47.32 | Shirik | I said "wtf...[that's] strange" |
| 19:47.46 | Lopeppeppy | strange is not "hilarious" at least. |
| 19:47.50 | NightHawkTheSane | also, licd is awesome, not strange. :P |
| 19:48.00 | NightHawkTheSane | (well, okay, it is a touch strange.. rayne's crazy) |
| 19:48.54 | Shirik | it's ok Lopeppeppy, I like to consider myself as not someone who can be lumped in with the rest of the guys |
| 19:49.09 | Shirik | because most guys deserve to have their face smashed in between two frying pans |
| 19:49.28 | Shirik | a la the flinstones |
| 19:49.28 | zenzelezz | Shirik: even I didn't find that comic funny |
| 19:49.28 | Shirik | flintstones |
| 19:49.30 | Tepel | Small Rayne is awesome |
| 19:49.30 | Tepel | http://www.blastwave-comic.com/index.php?p=comic&nro=28 |
| 19:49.30 | Tepel | Blastwave Comic! |
| 19:49.47 | Lunessa | *facepalm* I asked for a blackberry with WifI so I could develop help documentation for our blabckberry population - what do I get? The Curve 8310 - without WiFi |
| 19:50.13 | NightHawkTheSane | its nice to know you're listened to and appreciated. |
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| 19:50.32 | Shirik | Lunessa: Sounds about right |
| 19:50.42 | Shirik | don't most blackberries not have wifi though? |
| 19:51.11 | Lunessa | No kidding. So when I go ask about it, it turns out our AT&T contract include "data services" so the only blackberry they will offer us is the Curve. |
| 19:51.23 | Lunessa | Which doesn't have WiFi. |
| 19:51.40 | Tepel | lal AT&T |
| 19:51.44 | Shirik | do you really need it though? |
| 19:51.51 | Shirik | I mean at first I was disappointed my blackberry didn't have wifi |
| 19:51.56 | Shirik | but I've quickly realized it's not a big deal |
| 19:52.06 | Lunessa | So.... I'm going to have to borrow someone else's balckberry to do the wifi docs for campus network. |
| 19:52.18 | zenzelezz | Shirik: it's easier to document something you can see/test |
| 19:52.19 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: i imagine for developing wifi docs, its kind of necesary |
| 19:52.31 | Lunessa | But on the gripping hand... new blackberry for me. |
| 19:52.33 | Shirik | oh |
| 19:52.38 | Shirik | I thought that said develop applications |
| 19:52.50 | NightHawkTheSane | but yeah, i usually have wifi turned off on my g1. Fun fact, apparently tmobile's visual voice mail does't work if you're connected to a wifi network. >< |
| 19:53.12 | Tepel | Nokia N900! Wants! |
| 19:53.33 | mikma | n900 mentioned! |
| 19:53.50 | Tepel | huh? |
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| 19:54.05 | Shirik | tackles Seerah |
| 19:54.14 | zenzelezz | I love my G1. Works awesome with all the wireless networks I have access to, or the 3G network when I'm outside the range of the Wifi |
| 19:54.19 | Seerah | yay internet is back! |
| 19:54.24 | Lunessa | And since work will let me replace my horrid device with one of the incoming iPhone 3GS models - I guess I'll just keep my mouth shut |
| 19:54.48 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/10/wow_planemounted_laser_burning.php |
| 19:54.51 | mikma | scary |
| 19:54.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Seerah: woo |
| 19:55.47 | mikma | tepel: http://www.n900wallpapers.com/ ^^ |
| 19:57.23 | Shirik | kd3, where did you find the current wow china patch that one time? |
| 19:57.27 | Shirik | I can't find it again :( |
| 19:58.02 | Shirik | nm I found a way to get it |
| 19:58.34 | Lopeppeppy | Hi Seerah! I was stealing your internets, sorry... |
| 20:00.31 | Shirik | we now have our Lopeppeppy and our Seerah back |
| 20:00.35 | Shirik | just need a Cairenn |
| 20:00.47 | Seerah | actually, hubby "broke" it trying to fix the DS connection |
| 20:01.23 | zenzelezz | "We repair what your husband fixed" |
| 20:02.31 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, those types of repairs. *smiles* |
| 20:03.24 | Seerah | was something he changed in the internet settings or the way the DS was set to connect, or something... Worked fine from the other night through this morning, then it crapped out |
| 20:03.26 | Seerah | oh well :) |
| 20:03.41 | Seerah | I can live with not getting Professor Layton puzzles from the intarwebz |
| 20:04.12 | Dagmar | Yes there is |
| 20:04.26 | Dagmar | If it's a DSi it's wireless stack isn't retarded. |
| 20:04.50 | Dagmar | If it's any other version of the DS the access point needs to support a basic rate of 1Mbz |
| 20:04.55 | Dagmar | er mbps |
| 20:05.03 | Dagmar | ...becuase their wireless stack is shit. |
| 20:05.28 | Dagmar | You can't use an older DS *anywhere* on our entire campus because it's a lot like trying to use a 300 baud modem |
| 20:06.01 | Dagmar | The first mode it talks in when it sees an AP is so damn slow it's not the default anymore and a lot of wireless access points don't even support that mode anymore |
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| 20:08.58 | NeoTron | Dagmar: so I will give it to you, I now understand the "one path" issue in Aion a bit more. Basically areas are, for the most part, linear progression. To get from A to B you take the path C |
| 20:09.28 | Dagmar | Yeah and if you were allowed to take a tumble down a 30 foot incline you could get there a crapton faster going one way at least, but noooooo... |
| 20:09.36 | Lunessa | NeoTron: Pretty common in Korean-style games. :P |
| 20:09.38 | Dagmar | That's painfull obvious artificial time-wasting on their part |
| 20:09.49 | Dagmar | I played EQ. |
| 20:09.58 | Dagmar | I have *zero* fear of running straight through the dangerous woods anymore. |
| 20:10.17 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 20:10.19 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I played EQ as well. UGH. |
| 20:10.21 | NeoTron | Dagmar: to be fair, you can jump off and fly in some places but I don't know overall |
| 20:10.26 | Dagmar | Hell I look forward to the excitement of being chased by things that think I'm tasty at level 3 |
| 20:10.41 | Dagmar | Lunessa: KITHICOR ZERG! |
| 20:10.58 | Dagmar | ...and the Karanas run at level 10. YAY |
| 20:10.59 | Lunessa | Kithicor sucked. |
| 20:11.27 | Dagmar | kithicor was just _tense_ but if you maintained a "keep as far away from everything as possible" policy you could do it |
| 20:11.29 | Lunessa | Hah... Halas -> Blackburrow -> Qeynos. |
| 20:11.29 | |Jelly| | Qeynos to Freeport at level 10, GO! |
| 20:11.43 | Dagmar | IO loved blackburrow |
| 20:12.03 | Dagmar | My favorite "game" to play was to stand on the top there, and throw daggers at that little gnoll who stood on the bridge down below. |
| 20:12.15 | Dagmar | He woulnd't do a damn thing because I was too high level. |
| 20:12.20 | Lunessa | Barbarians had no night vision and no light sources (fire beetle eyes do NOT count). |
| 20:12.29 | Dagmar | ...and invariably, some level 14 guy would come along and think he could do the same thing. |
| 20:12.39 | Dagmar | Lunessa: They nerfed f**king darkness the cowards. |
| 20:13.02 | Dagmar | How would you like to live next to a city that had little signs posted saying "WARNING! Falling wood elves!" |
| 20:13.20 | Dagmar | Level 14 guy says "Aw your throwing skill sucks. I can hit him" |
| 20:13.30 | Dagmar | *thwip* BARK! |
| 20:13.34 | Seerah | Dagmar: this was with my DSi. Hubby was following instructions on the Nintendo(?) site but I guess Comcast didn't like it |
| 20:13.35 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Two words suffice to explain how badly the design philosophy was fubar at launch - "Sense Heading" |
| 20:13.50 | Dagmar | You can start your stopwatch now because in two minutes and thirty eight seconds, about 40 really pissed off gnolls are coming for that guy |
| 20:14.01 | Dagmar | Lunessa: I learned to just *tell* |
| 20:14.04 | |Jelly| | I remember hosting drunken runs through Kelethin! |
| 20:14.27 | Lunessa | I have trouble believing i played that game for 5.5 years. |
| 20:14.34 | Dagmar | Of course, sometimes they'd get held up a little by people who just happened to be somewhere down below at the wrong time. :) |
| 20:14.52 | Dagmar | Sometimes the screams of "OMG TRAIN" would clue people in as well |
| 20:15.24 | Dagmar | Lunessa: No joke, in the woodelf forest I had spend so much time running around lost I was finally able to tell where I was just from looking at the trees |
| 20:15.36 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Me too. |
| 20:16.05 | Lunessa | I can probably still find you a "Halas Heater" without much trouble. |
| 20:16.35 | Dagmar | I was down with "hardships" like Sense Heading. |
| 20:16.44 | Dagmar | I was not down with "bullshit" like Luclin. |
| 20:17.02 | Dagmar | "Hey look, it's a green con. That means it's got about 30% more hit points than I can possibly nuke off." |
| 20:17.11 | Lunessa | Sense Heading was a stupid idea. |
| 20:17.11 | Dagmar | "Oooh and now it can't be snared either! GREAT!" |
| 20:17.22 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Do *you* know which way is north all the time? |
| 20:17.36 | Lunessa | And snare + DoTs = poor design choices too. |
| 20:17.42 | Dagmar | It's something you, as a person, can basically train to learn |
| 20:17.53 | Dagmar | I think we all know druids were bitches. |
| 20:17.56 | Lunessa | Dagmar: No, I don't - but I don't need to. |
| 20:18.03 | Dagmar | Real casters snare and nuke. |
| 20:18.20 | |Jelly| | Real casters quad kite. |
| 20:18.27 | Dagmar | I did so much of that |
| 20:18.34 | Dagmar | I loved the complaints about it being "easy" |
| 20:18.39 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 20:18.41 | Lunessa | Real Casters begged me for SoW |
| 20:18.41 | Thunder_Child | Real casters have soemone do it for them. |
| 20:18.53 | |Jelly| | was a druid. |
| 20:18.55 | Dagmar | The problem was basically this... quad-kiting was so unforgiving you never _saw_ bad quad-kiters. |
| 20:18.56 | Lopeppeppy | pounces Jelly |
| 20:19.08 | Dagmar | You were either quad-kiting flawlessly all the time, or you were "just some guy running through the zone naked" |
| 20:19.18 | |Jelly| | hugs Jelly! |
| 20:19.24 | Dagmar | You eff up quad kiting and you're dead in 2.1 seconds or less. |
| 20:19.39 | |Jelly| | I remember charm killing in Plane of Nightmares. That could get pretty hairy. |
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| 20:19.53 | Dagmar | There wouldn't even be time to click anything to recover |
| 20:20.12 | Dagmar | It was like trying to solo that giant turtle |
| 20:20.32 | NightHawkTheSane | hah.. http://twitter.com/wilshipley/statuses/4636252956 |
| 20:20.34 | Dagmar | You either win untouched or he drops four 1200 point hits per round on you for three rounds |
| 20:20.44 | Dagmar | I complained to the GMs about that |
| 20:20.55 | Dagmar | I was dead after the first twelve hits |
| 20:21.00 | Dagmar | The last four hits were abuse. |
| 20:21.01 | Lunessa | The thing I hated most about EQ was not that you got punished for your own stupidity. I hated that you got punished for the stupidity of random fuckwits. Yay! Level 60! *random train to zone just as you zone in* Boo! Level 59 and now I can't enter that zone again. |
| 20:21.16 | Dagmar | Lunessa: I kinda miss those |
| 20:21.30 | |Jelly| | MM trains were the best IMO. |
| 20:21.30 | Dagmar | It would have been cool if they'd randomized how long mobs will chase people |
| 20:21.39 | Dagmar | Noo... |
| 20:21.46 | Dagmar | Frog trains in Sebilis. |
| 20:21.52 | |Jelly| | roflmao |
| 20:21.58 | Lunessa | Plane of Innovation. |
| 20:22.06 | Dagmar | plants a sign that says "The train stops here." |
| 20:22.18 | Tepel | I have no clue what you guys are talking about |
| 20:22.19 | cogwheel | huggles |Jelly| Lunessa Lopeppeppy Shirik Seerah and unhugs Fisker |
| 20:22.25 | Lunessa | I basically rolled a tank just to break trains. |
| 20:22.32 | Seerah | ohohoh! hugs! |
| 20:22.43 | Dagmar | Tepel: Mobs used to link aggro to each other in EQ, so if one guy chased you, and some other guy saw him chasing you, he'd chase you too |
| 20:22.54 | Dagmar | Tepel: They'd follow you all the way to the zone out point. |
| 20:23.11 | Tepel | Heh |
| 20:23.18 | Dagmar | So you'd get some fast running guy who'd survive his party wipe, hading for the zone line, picking up aggro on every single mob he passed on the way out |
| 20:23.22 | |Jelly| | And it wasn't instanced so you'd essentially be training on anyone in the zone. |
| 20:23.24 | Lunessa | And zones weren't "instanced" so they would kill everyone else along the way |
| 20:23.42 | Tepel | That's awesome :) |
| 20:23.48 | Lunessa | And XP loss was pretty substantial |
| 20:23.56 | |Jelly| | heh |
| 20:24.17 | Dagmar | If, on the other handd, your group was composed of say, four wizards and an enchanter or twoish, the chanters would stun the ENTIRE lot, and then before anything else could happen, the wizards would explode in a gotterdammerrung of AoE fire |
| 20:24.26 | Lunessa | They wanted you to explore. They wanted you to go new places. No one did unless he had LOTS of friends |
| 20:24.35 | Dagmar | >20 dead XP-gaining frogs every time |
| 20:24.59 | Dagmar | You don't need tanks if the other guys never get to hit back. |
| 20:25.03 | Lopeppeppy | I like games I can play by myself. |
| 20:25.03 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 20:25.07 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I played an enchanter with Dire Charm. Our favorite pulling technique was "Train the Enchanter" |
| 20:25.15 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Oh win |
| 20:25.34 | Lunessa | I was an EQ badass before I quit |
| 20:25.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: ... no comment. |
| 20:25.43 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: See the problem I had was that they so effed up PvP to PvE that they kept nerfing wizards because we could drop tanks too quickly |
| 20:25.59 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: SO. Many. Jokes. |
| 20:26.05 | Dagmar | ...to the point where wizard damage output was nerfed so much we couldn't kill a warrior if he stood there and did nothin because we'd run out of mana |
| 20:26.13 | foxlit | I'm thinking of stealing that "a circle has neither a beginning nor an end" quote and applying it to graph cycles. |
| 20:26.22 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa dear, Mary is your friend too. |
| 20:26.26 | Dagmar | ...and we couldn't kill a warrior if he fought back because our DPS was no longer anything like theirs, and we wore bathrobes |
| 20:26.45 | Dagmar | ...which meant we couldn't even solo mobs five levels lower than we were becasue we'd run out of mana before they'd die. |
| 20:27.03 | Dagmar | This is when I sent a pic of my middle finger to Sony and cancelled. |
| 20:27.24 | Dagmar | They waited until people playing wizards comprised less than 1% of the player base before they did a damn thing. |
| 20:27.29 | Dagmar | This in a game with ten classes. |
| 20:27.38 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I quit and played City of Heroes. An infintely better game. |
| 20:28.02 | NeoTron | didn't like CoH |
| 20:28.03 | Dagmar | I spent the last three months waiting for them to fix things by getting other people killed, killing other people, and causing trouble. |
| 20:28.07 | NeoTron | I did the trial, and got bored |
| 20:28.10 | |Jelly| | I quit for SWG and then quit that for WoW. |
| 20:28.30 | Lunessa | NeoTron: It was better than EQ, but after I got into WoW beta, i canceled. |
| 20:28.31 | Dagmar | Some of the "mean" things you could do were pretty funny tho |
| 20:28.47 | Dagmar | Two wizards working together could slap giants half a mile across the zone |
| 20:29.14 | NeoTron | what I wonder now - can anyone but Blizzard beat WoW? |
| 20:29.19 | Dagmar | One pulls (bump) the other gravity fluxes (set) then the first hits with Force Shock (spike) |
| 20:29.20 | Lopeppeppy | G'night, everypeople. |
| 20:29.29 | |Jelly| | huggles Peppy! |
| 20:29.35 | Dagmar | NeoTron: People have only been putting out "passable" effort now |
| 20:29.45 | Adys | http://stuffthathappens.com/blog/2008/03/05/simplicity/ |
| 20:29.48 | Adys | awesome |
| 20:29.58 | Dagmar | If it weren't for Blizzard companies would still be releasing games in "festering piece of shit" state |
| 20:30.06 | NeoTron | people say "we can't compare with wow after 5 years" |
| 20:30.08 | NeoTron | and that's true |
| 20:30.18 | NeoTron | but I have yet to see an mmo that can compete with WoW when launched |
| 20:30.19 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: that's really 2 questions. 1) can anyone make a "better game" and 2) can anyone market a game better |
| 20:30.27 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: to the first, yes, to the second.. i seriously doubt it. |
| 20:30.44 | Dagmar | Generally the problem is that they never actually even complete their games before they call for a "release" |
| 20:31.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: you mean other companies? |
| 20:31.02 | Dagmar | All they seem to do is spend money on lingerie models for their box art |
| 20:31.10 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Obviously |
| 20:31.20 | NightHawkTheSane | just making sure, got confused for a sec |
| 20:31.33 | Dagmar | It was clear Blizz wasn't calling anyting "release" until they had a complete, stable game like one expects from any other game. |
| 20:31.33 | foxlit | Dagmar: It's that hookers and blackjack business plan. |
| 20:31.39 | foxlit | In fact, let's forget about making a game. |
| 20:31.59 | NightHawkTheSane | but yeah. I certainly hold that anyone with the will can make a game that's -better- than wow. |
| 20:32.08 | Dagmar | Companies like Microsoft and Sony just kept lowering the bar is the main problem |
| 20:32.15 | Dagmar | Each release they had sucked harder than the last |
| 20:32.17 | NightHawkTheSane | it's just that few DO, and i don't think anyone can leverage the marketing that blizzard has |
| 20:32.46 | Tepel | Borderlands! |
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| 20:33.15 | BrianH | hey guys |
| 20:33.15 | Dagmar | There's some that have come close on _some_ fronts, but no one's managed to make a game that's wholly at least "good" all the way through |
| 20:33.33 | Dagmar | Aion is very pretty, and seems stable, but changes dramatically halfway through |
| 20:33.43 | NeoTron | Dagmar: even considering that, no games really compete with the sheer size of vanilla WoW |
| 20:33.43 | Shirik | lol |
| 20:33.48 | Shirik | so I'm in the shower |
| 20:33.56 | Shirik | and my AC randomly turns on |
| 20:33.59 | Shirik | that was scary for a second |
| 20:34.04 | zenzelezz | NeoTron: size? |
| 20:34.11 | NeoTron | say number of starting areas |
| 20:34.16 | NeoTron | parallell, separate, ways to level |
| 20:34.17 | Shirik | crazy admins and their ubiquitous keys |
| 20:34.18 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: Azeroth was freaking huge |
| 20:34.32 | NeoTron | Aion has one path to level per faction. CO has one path to level period |
| 20:34.34 | NightHawkTheSane | s/was/is/; it's not as if it changed. :P |
| 20:34.37 | Arrowmaster | until you got a mount at lvl 20 |
| 20:34.39 | NeoTron | so any alts would play exactly the same thing |
| 20:34.42 | Arrowmaster | not so huge anymore |
| 20:34.47 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, its still pretty damn big |
| 20:34.56 | BrianH | could anyone point me to a good starting point for lua based frame construction? most of the tutorials I find are xml based |
| 20:35.00 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: yeah, but I think it's not necessarily that much larger than other MMOs' worlds; it just encouraged you to actually see it |
| 20:35.04 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: overlooking travel speed, you can still level someone a long time without repeating quests |
| 20:35.10 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: I frankly think the reason gryphon masters were implemented was the sheer size of the place made it unbearable without |
| 20:35.12 | ScytheBlade1 | BrianH: local frame = CreateFrame("frame") |
| 20:35.21 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: It actually is |
| 20:35.33 | Dagmar | Much, much bigger than EQ, for instance. |
| 20:35.37 | BrianH | ScytheBlade1: yep, I got the basics down, but thats about it |
| 20:35.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: thats almost a given (re: flight paths) |
| 20:35.46 | Dagmar | Freeport to Queynos took maybe 20 minutes on foot. |
| 20:35.46 | Arrowmaster | NeoTron: kinda hard for horde, you either goto the barrans or ghostlands, and everybody goes to ghostlands now |
| 20:35.49 | NeoTron | zenzelezz: until you player other MMORPG's and realize, it actually is |
| 20:36.00 | zenzelezz | NeoTron: I did play others |
| 20:36.12 | Dagmar | it takes a lot longer than that to run from end to end on _either_ of the vanilla Azeroth continents |
| 20:36.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: eh, you can do silverpine, and I still like barrens. |
| 20:36.23 | zenzelezz | Anarchy Online was fairly big too, but I'm having trouble remember how close it was... soo long ago |
| 20:36.23 | Dagmar | ...and with the exception of Desolace, there's very few "filler zones" |
| 20:36.48 | BrianH | ScytheBlade1: know where I can reference the backdrop styles? |
| 20:37.08 | ScytheBlade1 | BrianH: uh. probably wowwiki would be your best bet |
| 20:37.12 | ScytheBlade1 | !g wowwiki api backdrop |
| 20:37.13 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: Widget API - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft <http://www.wowwiki.com/Widget_API> |
| 20:37.17 | Arrowmaster | zenzelezz: AO had dungeons that everybody of a certain level would goto |
| 20:37.27 | ScytheBlade1 | not quite what I was going for but close enough |
| 20:37.31 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: even so, there are options available |
| 20:37.32 | Arrowmaster | !api backdrop |
| 20:37.33 | lua_bot | Found 6 possible results for 'backdrop': Frame:GetBackdropBorderColor, Frame:SetBackdropColor, Frame:SetBackdrop, Frame:GetBackdropColor, Frame:GetBackdrop, Frame:SetBackdropBorderColor |
| 20:37.38 | NeoTron | leveling is not completely linear |
| 20:37.45 | NeoTron | also think about the number of instances available |
| 20:38.07 | NeoTron | there's quite a large number of level instances and heck Deadmines is really epic for a level 16-18ish instance |
| 20:38.16 | Tepel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDSRdp6Ar3M <-- wants! |
| 20:38.16 | Tepel | why was that bold |
| 20:38.17 | Tepel | silly xchat |
| 20:38.23 | Arrowmaster | better than WC |
| 20:38.28 | zenzelezz | Arrowmaster: I know, I played it for a long time |
| 20:38.29 | Arrowmaster | everybody gets lost in there |
| 20:38.36 | NightHawkTheSane | pft. i dont |
| 20:38.41 | NightHawkTheSane | .... anymore >.> |
| 20:38.42 | Arrowmaster | i dont anymore either |
| 20:38.54 | Arrowmaster | but every lowbie gets lost |
| 20:39.08 | foxlit | WC is a nightmare. |
| 20:39.10 | NeoTron | Arrowmaster: I agree to a point but I thing WC is pretty epic and I always made sure to do it |
| 20:39.14 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. which is a damn shame, because its a really awesome instance |
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| 20:39.38 | Arrowmaster | i think i soloed it on my lowbie hunter once |
| 20:39.42 | foxlit | It gets bonus points for a murloc as the final boss. |
| 20:39.53 | foxlit | The rest of it can just go right back to the design table. |
| 20:40.02 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 20:40.06 | Arrowmaster | but my lowbie hunter was unstopable |
| 20:40.18 | Dagmar | Aren't you glad Cataclysm gives them an excuse to scrap anything they don't like? |
| 20:40.18 | NightHawkTheSane | it was a pretty soloable instance, in general. |
| 20:40.21 | BrianH | ScytheBlade1: I've searched there, haven't found much other then references to "Interface/Tooltips/UI-Tooltip-Background" etc, ... would be nice to actually visually browse them all |
| 20:40.28 | Dagmar | They're going to pwn the gaming market |
| 20:40.38 | Arrowmaster | i soloed all 4 of those alliance outrunners that pat around barrens and are lvl 27ish while i was lvl 20 |
| 20:40.54 | ScytheBlade1 | BrianH: to my knowledge, there isn't a backdrop browser available |
| 20:41.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: yeah, post-cataclysm, if they pull it off well enough, i wouldn't give anyone odds on remotely catching wow. |
| 20:41.09 | ScytheBlade1 | wowprogramming.com has a browseable archive of *all* of the WoW graphics, though |
| 20:41.37 | BrianH | ScytheBlade1: ok, checking there then, thanks :) |
| 20:41.56 | foxlit | There are really only two. |
| 20:42.00 | NeoTron | I once 4-manned WC on my shaman |
| 20:42.02 | NeoTron | I was the tank. |
| 20:42.05 | NeoTron | I was also the healer |
| 20:42.07 | NeoTron | and primary dps |
| 20:42.09 | NeoTron | that was fun |
| 20:42.32 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, the good old days of shaman tanking. ;) |
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| 20:42.47 | NeoTron | Dagmar: isn't it ironic how with Cataclysm the worse area is probably outlands? |
| 20:43.00 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: how is that ironic? |
| 20:43.01 | NeoTron | I was a few levels higher |
| 20:43.18 | foxlit | Outland, with the current XP levels, is a breeze. |
| 20:43.21 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: because it was once new and fun with cool new mechanics. now it'll be the "omfg now i need to do that old place again" |
| 20:43.44 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: well, yeah, but thats pretty much the case with everything. It'll be the oldest content in the game at that point |
| 20:44.04 | NeoTron | unless if they could find a way to basically allow you to skip it |
| 20:44.11 | Dagmar | NeoTron: Outlands has suffered significantly more damage |
| 20:44.15 | NeoTron | make azeroth be 1-68 so you can go straight to northrend |
| 20:44.26 | NightHawkTheSane | seems unlikely. kinda goes against what -seems- to be their general policies |
| 20:44.31 | Dagmar | NeoTron: Azeroth is still a world |
| 20:44.34 | BrianH | ScytheBlade1: awesome, I think this is what I needed: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser ... thanks :) |
| 20:44.58 | Dagmar | NeoTron: You may note that Outlands is _just some fragmentary bits that weren't blown up_ |
| 20:45.16 | NeoTron | I know what outlands is |
| 20:45.17 | NightHawkTheSane | they MIGHT reduce the xp curve from 60-70, but i kinda doubt it. it's stupid-fast as is |
| 20:45.18 | Lunessa | I was just marveling last night that WotLK is nearly a year past release. |
| 20:45.18 | Dagmar | literally "all that's left of the place" |
| 20:45.26 | foxlit | Tbh, spell Outland right. |
| 20:45.32 | ScytheBlade1 | BrianH: np |
| 20:45.42 | NeoTron | I had to do outlands on my DK. I know it's not slow |
| 20:45.47 | NeoTron | ofc nwo it's faster with a flying mount |
| 20:45.55 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah |
| 20:46.00 | Dagmar | I got as far as Zangarmarsh before it was time to leave for Northrend |
| 20:46.01 | NightHawkTheSane | So i dont think they'll really touch it |
| 20:46.07 | Dagmar | THey don't really need to flatten that part of the XP curve |
| 20:46.16 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: o_0 really? did you instance a bunch? |
| 20:46.20 | Dagmar | Nope |
| 20:46.41 | Dagmar | I got about half of Zangarmarsh done, and then I was 68 or 67, can't remember |
| 20:46.42 | foxlit | Dagmar's sole mode of transportation is walking over the corpses of his enemies. |
| 20:46.50 | Dagmar | Pretty much. |
| 20:46.54 | NightHawkTheSane | how'd you pull that much xp in, then? Usually I have to get into nagrand |
| 20:47.02 | NeoTron | when I played my DK I did about 1/2 of blade's edge before I got to 68 |
| 20:47.04 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I got into Nagrand, but I skipped a lot of shit that "I don't want to do that" |
| 20:47.08 | Dagmar | I have a "GET IN MAH BAGS NOW" policy with respect to antyhing in a 30 degree cone ahead of me while questing |
| 20:47.12 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: same, basically |
| 20:47.20 | NeoTron | I skipped one zone on the way though |
| 20:47.35 | Lunessa | Heirloom shoulders + chest piece + rested = ZOOOOOOM |
| 20:47.37 | Dagmar | ...but mainly just doing quest after quest after quest |
| 20:47.49 | NightHawkTheSane | shrugs. |
| 20:47.58 | NightHawkTheSane | either way, yeah, you barely touch half of outland as is |
| 20:49.15 | zenzelezz | when BC hit, I only had half of Netherstorm and all of Shadowmoon left when I dinged 70 |
| 20:49.22 | Dagmar | I was so quick with it I even dropped a few quests I'd completed but not turned in yet the moment I was able to go to Northrend and pick up quests |
| 20:49.30 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: you mean wrath? |
| 20:49.39 | zenzelezz | NightHawkTheSane: no, I mean BC |
| 20:50.04 | Dagmar | Dinged about an hour and a half later |
| 20:50.05 | foxlit | I finished Netherstorm. |
| 20:50.12 | foxlit | Curse you, stealth! |
| 20:50.13 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, i see.. was phrased oddly wrt to the rest of the conversation :P |
| 20:50.16 | Lunessa | there were a few things I went back to Outland for - because I wanted rep/recipe/somthing from a spawn there before moving over to Northred. |
| 20:53.45 | Lunessa | The nice thing about the heirloom items during leveling (aside from +20% XP) is that I don't weigh quest rewards for gear replacement - I just weight them for cash. :) |
| 20:56.12 | NeoTron | there are heirloom items for every slot? |
| 20:56.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: yeah, that part is nice. |
| 20:57.00 | Tepel | omfg! |
| 20:57.02 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: no, but any slot you have an heirloom item in is one you can write off for gear upgrades |
| 20:57.06 | Tepel | The borderlands website is so broken |
| 20:57.19 | NightHawkTheSane | which, for most classes is ~4-5 slots |
| 20:57.40 | Lunessa | I usually have 3 slots Shoulders, Chest, Main Hand |
| 20:57.48 | *** join/#wowuidev Aelobin (n=Aelobin@85.210.28.140) |
| 20:57.59 | Lunessa | Unless I dual wield on that toon. Or I use the trinket. |
| 20:58.01 | NightHawkTheSane | *nod* but you could potentially have mh/oh/weapon/2x trinkets |
| 20:58.12 | Aelobin | stil no fisker? :O wow somethign must be up |
| 20:58.18 | NightHawkTheSane | a hunter could, arguablly.. have.. 7 heriloom items |
| 20:58.52 | NightHawkTheSane | (dw'ing the heirloom dagger with +15 agi on it hax, btw) |
| 20:59.41 | *** join/#wowuidev Fisker (i=55181266@gateway/web/freenode/x-tqsveqkzbcvitqgy) |
| 20:59.54 | Aelobin | speak of the troll |
| 21:00.50 | Fisker | im real happy for you and all, and imma let you finish, but you're the greatest troll of all time. All time! |
| 21:01.15 | Lunessa | I use the axe with crusader |
| 21:03.16 | Fisker | http://www.playdota.com/forums/blogs/icefrog/264/great-news-dota-fans/ |
| 21:03.17 | Fisker | lol |
| 21:03.18 | Fisker | wat |
| 21:03.33 | Fisker | I have some really awesome news I'd like to share with you guys. I am now leading a team at Valve! I finally have all the resources needed to do some very exciting stuff that you guys will love. I look forward to revealing more specific details when the time is right. |
| 21:04.07 | Fisker | yeah you better run |
| 21:04.08 | Fisker | COWARD! |
| 21:04.38 | Fisker | Do you hear that Shirik? |
| 21:04.40 | Fisker | 5. oktober 2009 00:00 Data til forsendelse modtaget |
| 21:04.46 | Fisker | 5. oktober 2009 16:33 Ankommet til 704 Københavns Pakkecenter |
| 21:04.50 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=Adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 21:05.21 | Fisker | It's the sound of the inevitable |
| 21:05.32 | Fisker | or maybe the text |
| 21:06.34 | Fisker | Aelobin was a great man |
| 21:06.41 | Fisker | but that was in another life |
| 21:07.11 | Aelobin | butters Fisker. |
| 21:07.25 | Fisker | absorbs butter |
| 21:08.12 | Aelobin | adds the sprinkles. |
| 21:08.50 | Fisker | yes |
| 21:08.53 | Fisker | MOAR SPRINKLES |
| 21:10.02 | foxlit | tosses a sprinkler to Fisker. |
| 21:10.06 | Fisker | naw |
| 21:10.10 | Fisker | not a sprinkler |
| 21:10.21 | Fisker | So Valve + DoTA |
| 21:10.25 | Fisker | what do you guys think? :o |
| 21:10.37 | durcyn | aren't there two other studios working on dota remakes already |
| 21:10.37 | Tepel | I think there's money to be made |
| 21:11.30 | Tepel | But DotA sells as a pre-order for 25⬠I think |
| 21:11.47 | Tepel | How are they ever going to make it a viable game when they have to do the hosting |
| 21:11.51 | Tepel | financially |
| 21:12.22 | Fisker | Source RTS called Defense of City 17 |
| 21:12.24 | Fisker | :o |
| 21:14.18 | NightHawkTheSane | wiat, someone ELSE is doing a dota remake? |
| 21:14.21 | NightHawkTheSane | boggles |
| 21:14.25 | Fisker | who knows? |
| 21:14.32 | Fisker | IceFrog is LEADING a team at valve |
| 21:14.33 | Fisker | which is liek |
| 21:14.34 | Fisker | wtf? |
| 21:14.51 | Tepel | They needed more moneyz |
| 21:14.55 | Fisker | lols |
| 21:15.07 | Fisker | I'm wondering if it's that Wii game they talked about for years |
| 21:21.48 | Tepel | Boredom! |
| 21:22.05 | NightHawkTheSane | sighs |
| 21:22.13 | NightHawkTheSane | its difficult working with someone who's scared of version control |
| 21:22.34 | foxlit | BUT THEM CVSES ARE EVIL. |
| 21:23.17 | foxlit | probably wants something more akin to a scratchpad. |
| 21:23.22 | NightHawkTheSane | its more like, OMG IF I MERGE I'LL LOSE EVERYTHING. |
| 21:23.30 | foxlit | I don't commit nearly as often for the thing to be useful during development. |
| 21:23.53 | foxlit | (Then again, that's when I'm working on something alone) |
| 21:24.21 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: my coworker (and er.. the lead dev here) routinely doesn't update his wc for days at a time, because he's scared shitless of merging. |
| 21:24.41 | Tepel | Doesn't he know his changes aren't lost? |
| 21:24.42 | NightHawkTheSane | despite the fact that he's been spending time fixing stuff i fixed and committed last week. |
| 21:25.20 | Tepel | I don't know which source control software you are using but sometimes they are a bit buggy |
| 21:25.25 | NightHawkTheSane | just svn |
| 21:25.32 | NightHawkTheSane | which, while obnoxious at times, is pretty good about merging |
| 21:25.34 | Tepel | SVN sometimes is a pain |
| 21:26.01 | Arrowmaster | svn is only good at merging working copy and upstream |
| 21:26.04 | Tepel | especially on case insensitive OSes like windows :P |
| 21:26.10 | Fisker | i'm good at working copy Arrowmaster |
| 21:26.27 | Lunessa | It's a dead man's party / Who could ask for more / Everybody's comin', leave your body at the door / Leave your body and soul at the door . . . |
| 21:26.54 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: yeah, but most of the time thats what you end up needing anyway. |
| 21:27.10 | Tepel | At my workplace they started using SVN too |
| 21:27.16 | Tepel | The wrong way ofcourse |
| 21:27.31 | Tepel | But it's better then nothing |
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| 21:28.48 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
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| 21:30.12 | Fisker | let's use svn for email? |
| 21:30.36 | Arrowmaster | didnt google do that? |
| 21:32.08 | Fisker | well i banged your mom first, doesn't mean i have copyright on it |
| 21:32.09 | Fisker | :o |
| 21:32.33 | Tepel | Not, more of a, let's put _everything_ in SVN |
| 21:33.02 | Tepel | It's a miracle the windows and program files folders aren't in there |
| 21:34.56 | Fisker | could be awesome to svn virus |
| 21:35.38 | durcyn | so, freshly installed Server 2008 VM, slated to be used as an IIS testbed. Microsoft's own Web Platform site fails to render in the bundled version of IE. Clutch. |
| 21:35.58 | kd3 | classic microsoft |
| 21:36.58 | kd3 | and whee; a tropical storm is about to nail southern great britain |
| 21:38.20 | Fisker | Well the tropical storm is to souther great britain as i am to your mother |
| 21:38.22 | Fisker | oh snap, etc. |
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| 21:43.31 | Fisker | You didn't accept my snap kd3 :( |
| 21:45.07 | Fisker | then you leave me no option but to jail you for failing to accept a snap |
| 21:45.19 | Fisker | and i think i'll ragequit think my IE being open is halting this update |
| 21:45.19 | Fisker | brb |
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| 22:04.25 | Fisker | :3's |
| 22:04.55 | durcyn | Fisker would use IE |
| 22:05.09 | Fisker | You wouldn't steal a car durcyn |
| 22:05.30 | Fisker | why so srs btw? |
| 22:06.27 | durcyn | i'm allergic to denmak |
| 22:07.00 | durcyn | or denmark, however your country is spelled |
| 22:07.54 | Fisker | fu |
| 22:11.25 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.48 | Fisker | i hate you |
| 22:12.24 | Kraps | i wu v youuuuuuuuu |
| 22:12.43 | Fisker | no u |
| 22:12.47 | Fisker | but i want to see |
| 22:12.59 | Fisker | but that stupid "OMG YOU HAS TO SIGNUP TO VERIFY YOUR AGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111" |
| 22:13.19 | Fisker | Because obviously you can't click "I'm over 18 fuck off" without a user |
| 22:13.41 | Kraps | Fisker: you got gmail? |
| 22:13.44 | Thunder_Child | Fisker, you can go see it on their site |
| 22:14.02 | Fisker | It's not a matter of signing in, it's a matter of principle |
| 22:14.04 | Fisker | so |
| 22:14.21 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.33 | Fisker | i am correct Kraps |
| 22:14.37 | Fisker | Youtube is the cancer |
| 22:14.39 | Thunder_Child | and you have none Fisker |
| 22:15.32 | Kraps | speaking of principle: the idealism of buying a game or the practicality of pirating? |
| 22:15.47 | Legorol | idealism if you like it |
| 22:16.13 | durcyn | Kraps: electronic delivery renders the practicality argument moot |
| 22:16.16 | NightHawkTheSane | that's a false dichotomy |
| 22:16.43 | Kraps | durcyn: talking about paying, not delivery |
| 22:17.10 | NightHawkTheSane | the two are not independant factors, though. |
| 22:17.13 | Fisker | not even a smile Kraps |
| 22:17.16 | Fisker | And both |
| 22:17.23 | durcyn | Kraps: then, off the cuff: fuck you for giving assholes like EA an excuse to raise prices for those of us who do pay for games |
| 22:17.34 | Fisker | hah |
| 22:17.41 | Fisker | like that made a difference |
| 22:17.54 | durcyn | it gives me someone to vent at, Fisker! |
| 22:18.01 | Arrowmaster | durcyn: that argument is invalid, console games cost the most and are the least pirated |
| 22:18.03 | Fisker | Fuck EA for giving themselves an excuse for wasting money and doing something they would have found another excuse for |
| 22:18.10 | Kraps | fisker has a point |
| 22:18.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: of course, again, those two elements are not independant :) |
| 22:18.42 | Fisker | I should get in the useless piece of shit copy protection that's licensed per disc-business |
| 22:18.48 | Arrowmaster | i pirated spore, and im fucking glad i did so i would know it wasnt fucking worth $10 let alone the $50 they wanted |
| 22:18.57 | durcyn | anyway, the best argument against pirating is simply that well over half of binaries distributed on p2p networks include malware |
| 22:19.12 | Fisker | l2internet really |
| 22:19.17 | durcyn | psh |
| 22:19.35 | Arrowmaster | over half the binaries on p2p networks are also less than 10 megs |
| 22:19.53 | Arrowmaster | people that download those dont deserve to use a computer |
| 22:19.56 | ScytheBlade1 | durcyn: and to anyone with half a clue in their head that isn't a reason against |
| 22:19.57 | Kraps | l2warez |
| 22:20.28 | Fisker | pretty easy with TPB as well |
| 22:20.36 | Fisker | Just look for the pirate symbol next to the torrent |
| 22:20.40 | A-KO | lots of malware is included in stuff you'll find in both newsgroups and torrents as well. It seems the internet pirating business has gone from simply providing free copies of things to you giving up your computer for a rootkit in exchange for using software for free. |
| 22:20.41 | Fisker | like a 99% guarantee it's legit |
| 22:21.28 | NightHawkTheSane | A-KO: as noted, if you have half a brain, you can avoid the malware |
| 22:21.29 | Dagmar | ...or that someone's going to make a buck off you anyway |
| 22:21.42 | A-KO | NightHawkTheSane: not always, and not everyone has even half a brain :P |
| 22:22.02 | cogwheel | Shirik: http://cogwheel.info/idop/ <-- now with mutable operands =D |
| 22:22.29 | Fisker | btw speaking of EA |
| 22:22.48 | Fisker | The steam prices(Before they marked them down a bit here a week ago or so) were batshit insane |
| 22:22.55 | Fisker | And the piracy issue is really a moot issue there |
| 22:23.43 | A-KO | If companies want to stop pirating they have to earn a reputation of having good, clean, reputable games that are also fun--in addition to providing a decent demo of gameplay, not some random mission in the middle of the game, but something along the lines of the size of say, Duke Nukem 3D's first episode, etc. |
| 22:23.51 | A-KO | I pay for games I am sure will be good |
| 22:23.54 | A-KO | hands down, no questions asked. |
| 22:24.04 | A-KO | but not many games fit that bill :P |
| 22:24.54 | jnwhiteh | so I need to bleep things out in a video |
| 22:24.57 | jnwhiteh | its an AVI |
| 22:24.59 | jnwhiteh | I'm on mac os x. |
| 22:25.02 | Fisker | I find it funny that Blizzard is probably one of the few companies that have to worry about piracy |
| 22:25.09 | jnwhiteh | I am finding this fairly difficult. |
| 22:25.11 | Fisker | And then they waste money doing anti-piracy |
| 22:25.22 | Dagmar | What? |
| 22:25.30 | kdtresh | spawn copies were great for sc |
| 22:25.36 | A-KO | eh, honestly, I've got no problems with what they intend to use Battle net for :P If it's better than some of the god awful in-game browsers we get currently. |
| 22:25.44 | Fisker | Again i wish i was part of that "PoS anti-piracy protection for a per-disc license"-scheme |
| 22:25.49 | Kraps | multiplayer is the only reason to buy a game, so the company knows its legit |
| 22:26.03 | Fisker | "Hey you pay us a lot of money, and your game still gets pirated before release, so we cool right?" |
| 22:26.13 | A-KO | also, big deals on buying packs of games is a great idea |
| 22:26.20 | A-KO | L4D2 on the PC is $33.75/person if you buy the 4-pack |
| 22:26.22 | Fisker | or weekend deals |
| 22:26.24 | Fisker | like on Steam |
| 22:26.24 | A-KO | and comes with the baseball bat :P |
| 22:26.25 | Fisker | ;o |
| 22:26.26 | A-KO | yeah |
| 22:26.37 | Arrowmaster | baseball bat? |
| 22:26.46 | Fisker | yeah |
| 22:26.47 | A-KO | yeah, they're adding melee weapons to l4d |
| 22:26.47 | Fisker | a melee weapon |
| 22:26.52 | A-KO | and the baseball bat is if you pre-order |
| 22:27.00 | Fisker | It's kinda cool |
| 22:27.14 | Fisker | Because it's available to all players that join a pre-order players game |
| 22:27.24 | Fisker | So it's not like you lose out if you didn't preorder |
| 22:27.26 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: Got "Flip4Mac" ? |
| 22:27.30 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 22:27.43 | Lunessa | So you can play, but not edit? |
| 22:27.56 | jnwhiteh | correct |
| 22:28.17 | Lunessa | I don't think there's any "free" way to fix that. |
| 22:28.19 | Fisker | that's what you get jnwhiteh |
| 22:28.23 | Fisker | for using a mac |
| 22:28.23 | jnwhiteh | k k |
| 22:28.33 | jnwhiteh | well there are a bunch of editors |
| 22:28.37 | jnwhiteh | i was just looking for suggestions |
| 22:28.39 | Fisker | On PC we got this great thing jnwhiteh |
| 22:28.42 | Fisker | it's called Warez |
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| 22:28.47 | jnwhiteh | its called UAC |
| 22:28.49 | jnwhiteh | oh |
| 22:28.50 | jnwhiteh | my bad |
| 22:28.54 | Lunessa | QT Pro or DivX could do that for you, but those are "non-free" |
| 22:29.03 | Fisker | UAC is awesome jnwhiteh |
| 22:29.04 | jnwhiteh | QT X can trim |
| 22:29.10 | jnwhiteh | but you can't do more than that with either that or QT pro |
| 22:29.13 | jnwhiteh | and divx again |
| 22:29.18 | jnwhiteh | doesn't really let you "Edit" in the way i need |
| 22:29.39 | Lunessa | Heh... Adobe Premier - totally "not free" |
| 22:29.59 | Fisker | i find it funny with those teens posting pvp movies |
| 22:30.02 | Lunessa | But doesn't the uni have a computing lab? I know we have those kinds of things in ours. |
| 22:30.03 | Fisker | edited using adobe premier! |
| 22:30.09 | Fisker | Because obviously he has a legit license |
| 22:30.11 | Fisker | *cough* |
| 22:30.25 | jnwhiteh | i am not at our lab |
| 22:30.47 | jnwhiteh | and we dont really have a lab in that way :P |
| 22:30.48 | Arrowmaster | i thought dvd drives used CLV not CAV? coping files from a dvd i burnt and the transfer speed keeps getting slightly faster and faster |
| 22:30.48 | Fisker | (because of macs) |
| 22:30.48 | Lunessa | Just thinking "out loud via text" |
| 22:32.48 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Umm... the circles are smaller in the middle? |
| 22:33.16 | Fisker | shoves jnwhiteh so he bumps into Lunessa |
| 22:33.16 | Dagmar | Just kidding about that |
| 22:33.19 | Fisker | hohoho |
| 22:33.23 | Fisker | up up and away! |
| 22:33.36 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: you should be since i explicitly mentioned CLV and CAV |
| 22:34.29 | Dagmar | It'll spin faster nearer the center with CLV. |
| 22:34.45 | Arrowmaster | but the transfer rate will stay the same |
| 22:34.47 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: New ones use CAV |
| 22:34.52 | Arrowmaster | this isnt new |
| 22:34.57 | Shirik | Because CLV caused jitter |
| 22:35.05 | Dagmar | Ther'es also ZCLV where you'll see a nice stair-step for throughput speeds |
| 22:35.22 | Shirik | newer* I'd estimate anything at least within the last 4 years is CAV |
| 22:36.00 | ScytheBlade1 | You've received a gift copy of the game Left 4 Dead 2 (preorder) on Steam |
| 22:36.02 | Kraps | all you non-conspiracy believers need to watch this. open your eyes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zbl-vMN2gzo&feature=channel_page |
| 22:36.20 | Dagmar | Please state the nature of your conspiracy. |
| 22:36.48 | Kraps | Dagmar: it ties up everything from the last 60 years |
| 22:36.56 | Dagmar | Meh. |
| 22:37.05 | Dagmar | If I need that I can take some LSD and make it up myself. |
| 22:37.22 | Dagmar | Conspiracy theorists generally have self-esteem problems. |
| 22:37.27 | Kraps | ITS TEH TOOTH |
| 22:38.24 | Dagmar | They refuse to believe that their plight can easily be explained by large numbers of powerful people acting entirely selfishly, and instead prefer to believe that such a cockup must have been orchestrated by a group of masterminds. |
| 22:38.43 | Dagmar | It's a bit like assuming that a riotous mob can't destroy anything because they lack organizational skills. |
| 22:39.43 | Kraps | its from the onion so you know its true |
| 22:39.57 | Kraps | er college humor |
| 22:40.16 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Dude, as far as I know it'll likely be ZCLV and CAV is something you just don't find anymore |
| 22:40.56 | Dagmar | Cds are definitely CLV |
| 22:42.41 | Dagmar | Most of the time you can practically hear the thing shifting gears |
| 22:42.59 | Arrowmaster | mines whisper silent |
| 22:43.12 | Dagmar | Grab a stethescope or buy cheaper burners. ;) |
| 22:43.40 | Dagmar | or just remove two of the mounting screws, give the thing a twist and put them back in |
| 22:43.49 | Arrowmaster | NEC 3540A |
| 22:44.03 | Dagmar | Nothing makes drives noisier like slipshot installation in a barely rectilinear piece of crap |
| 22:44.06 | Arrowmaster | and there are no mounting screws, its just put in with rails |
| 22:44.10 | Dagmar | s/slipshot/slipshod/; |
| 22:44.24 | Dagmar | Shucks that means you'll have to manually deform the drive |
| 22:44.30 | Arrowmaster | actually not even rails, just pins that come out of the case and go into the screw holes |
| 22:45.00 | Dagmar | Yeah that's the way my lian-li's mount |
| 22:45.45 | Arrowmaster | i honestly like the mounting rails of my old 'coolermaster stacker' better than my new 'coolermaster stacker 830' |
| 22:46.47 | Dagmar | I kinda preferred the four screws (or eight if I could get away with it) but then I kept my workbench dead level and generally had to resquare a few cases to do it |
| 22:47.05 | Dagmar | A bad mount will make drives deform, but a *really* firm one cuts down on noise even more |
| 22:47.30 | Dagmar | A burner that can vibrate when you put in questionable quality media is more likely to do a crappy burn |
| 22:47.39 | Arrowmaster | ive got this old NEC 3540A dvd burner that uses PATA connected to my new system that doesnt have any PATA using a dirt cheap PATA to SATA bridge |
| 22:47.52 | Dagmar | One in a death-grip in a full secc steel case isn't doing anywhere |
| 22:48.00 | Dagmar | s/doing/going/; |
| 22:48.28 | Dagmar | I'd demonstrate the vibration issue to people by turning up the bass during a burn. |
| 22:48.34 | Dagmar | Shake the crap out of the machine, instant coaster |
| 22:50.50 | Arrowmaster | im pulling stuff off of backup dvds right now |
| 22:51.05 | Arrowmaster | last one ended while at 14.5MB/s so not bad |
| 22:52.12 | Arrowmaster | but ive got amazingly high quality discs =D |
| 22:52.30 | Arrowmaster | Media ID: YUDEN000/T02 |
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| 23:00.36 | Fisker | herro |
| 23:04.07 | Shirik | cogwheel ping |
| 23:04.35 | cogwheel | Shirik: pong |
| 23:04.48 | Shirik | Do you know of a way to stop visual studio from doing multicore compiling? |
| 23:05.07 | cogwheel | nope |
| 23:05.10 | Shirik | It looks like it's trying to compile 2 projects at once because of my 2 cores, which makes sense, but I think it's breaking one of my tools |
| 23:05.27 | Shirik | I disable the tool and it's fine, so I really probably should just yell at them to fix it |
| 23:05.31 | Shirik | but in the meantime >.> |
| 23:09.49 | ccox | there is a preference, but I don't have it in front of me... |
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| 23:12.11 | Duman | hmm |
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| 23:15.43 | jnwhiteh | Anyone have a good quality screenshot of a "pimped" UI? |
| 23:15.56 | jnwhiteh | something that's quite different than the default and (hopefully) visually pleasing? |
| 23:16.12 | kdtresh | "visually pleasing" is very subjective |
| 23:16.54 | Shirik | jnwhiteh are you at lua workshop again? |
| 23:16.59 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: yes =) |
| 23:17.05 | Shirik | how could I tell :) |
| 23:17.06 | jnwhiteh | kdtresh: true, but try me |
| 23:17.13 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: yeah I hate that slide |
| 23:17.17 | jnwhiteh | tho this is quite a diff talk |
| 23:18.47 | kdtresh | jnwhiteh: http://www.spartanui.com/ |
| 23:19.17 | jnwhiteh | yeah Spartan is a solid choice |
| 23:19.51 | Arrowmaster | http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z175/spartanui/Taurendus|v1.jpg |
| 23:19.53 | Arrowmaster | i loled |
| 23:20.38 | Arrowmaster | anybody else see it? |
| 23:20.54 | industrial | I do |
| 23:21.03 | Dagmar | Oh yes. |
| 23:21.07 | Dagmar | Fisker is someone's bitch. |
| 23:21.08 | Arrowmaster | pets Fisker |
| 23:21.14 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 23:21.37 | industrial | or.. alter-ego.. |
| 23:21.41 | industrial | dun dun DUN |
| 23:24.39 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/matt_converse/WoW%20Interface%20Gallery/Unkle-UI-raid-2009-09-30.jpg |
| 23:25.51 | Jerub | Lunessa: I like the health bars of all raid members you have. What addon gives that? |
| 23:25.55 | kdtresh | http://www.tact-guild.com/AthUInonraid.jpg |
| 23:26.12 | Arrowmaster | Jerub: perty sure thats grid |
| 23:26.13 | Lunessa | Jerub: Shadowed Unit Frames |
| 23:26.18 | Shadowed | what did I do |
| 23:26.19 | Shadowed | oh |
| 23:26.19 | Arrowmaster | really? |
| 23:26.22 | Arrowmaster | looks like grid |
| 23:26.37 | Shadowed | Grid doesn't have combat indicators like that |
| 23:26.40 | Shadowed | or leader stuff |
| 23:26.42 | Shadowed | (I think?) |
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| 23:26.48 | Lunessa | Arrow it does look like grid, but it's SUF and I like it. |
| 23:27.00 | Arrowmaster | oh i should have noticed its got full names |
| 23:27.01 | Lunessa | And no, Grid doesn't have all of that. |
| 23:27.04 | Jerub | I've been using healbot continued as a healer, but i realised when doing ony25 that i had no idea how many raid members were still alive on phase3. |
| 23:27.24 | Jerub | because my entire group was dead, and i had no raidframes up |
| 23:27.35 | kdtresh | hb didn't tell you who was still alive? |
| 23:27.35 | WobWork | I thought healbot greyed out dead players? |
| 23:27.41 | Jerub | (and like hell i was going to stop my kitty rotation toget them up) |
| 23:27.44 | Jerub | I was on DPS not healing. |
| 23:27.49 | Jerub | when healing i always know :D |
| 23:28.00 | Jerub | sorry, I didn't say that |
| 23:28.02 | Lunessa | I don't healbot. I think Healbot is completely useless to me as a healer. It just doesn't work in a fashion that works for me. |
| 23:28.23 | Jerub | what's the difference? |
| 23:28.38 | Jerub | my guildies got me on healbot, so I've been using that. |
| 23:28.43 | Shadowed | I don't really like the healing specialized mods |
| 23:28.52 | Shadowed | I'd rather just use raid frames with some sort of aura indicator |
| 23:28.59 | Lunessa | I don't click-cast. I don't like AddOns which try to think for me. |
| 23:29.11 | kdtresh | hb makes healing so easy though |
| 23:29.15 | Jerub | yikes. |
| 23:29.19 | Shadowed | You don't click cast?! crazy |
| 23:29.23 | Shadowed | Clique is awesome |
| 23:29.32 | ZorbaBeta | I prefer mouseovering the raid frame and pushing the spell button |
| 23:29.34 | Lunessa | Shadowed the only thing I miss from SUF is "border shows debuff I can cure" and it's probably in there and I haven't figured it out yet. |
| 23:29.44 | ZorbaBeta | my healer has all his healing spells macroed to mouseover cast |
| 23:29.44 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: that makes sense. |
| 23:29.48 | Lunessa | Clique is awesome. |
| 23:29.54 | Shadowed | You can set it to highlight the entire frame on debuff, /suf -> Units -> <unit> -> General -> Highlight Lunessa |
| 23:29.59 | Lunessa | I just don't use it anymore. |
| 23:30.02 | Shadowed | you can't set it to highlight the border though |
| 23:30.06 | Jerub | healbot makes me want a mouse with 12 buttons. |
| 23:30.08 | Shadowed | Border highlighting is slightly annoying |
| 23:30.25 | Lunessa | Shadowed - I use that now, already. |
| 23:30.29 | Shadowed | oh |
| 23:30.33 | kdtresh | i have hb set to recolor the health bar of someone if they're debuffed and i can cure it |
| 23:30.59 | Jerub | I had a healer on the weekend who said he didn't use grid or healbot because they were gay. |
| 23:31.01 | Lunessa | I don't heal all that often anymore though, so I do just fine as is. :) |
| 23:31.41 | Jerub | he also let 8 deaths happen in gundrak, and never rmeoved a debuff |
| 23:31.41 | kdtresh | i've got a guildie who refuses to use any addons because he doesn't trust websites and doesn't want to get a virus :P |
| 23:31.42 | ZorbaBeta | I need to get back into healing on my druid, I really want to try it out |
| 23:31.42 | ZorbaBeta | but I hit 80 with him and stopped, I just can't bear to gear him up any further |
| 23:31.42 | NeoTron | kdtresh: there are stupid people everywhere |
| 23:31.42 | Lunessa | I don't use grid. I used to. But SUF pretty much makes my life easy in one package, plus if I bitch in here Shadowed will usually fix it. |
| 23:31.48 | kdtresh | neotron: he's actually a very good healer |
| 23:31.57 | Lunessa | With Grid, no such luck. |
| 23:32.01 | Shadowed | ~lart Lunessa |
| 23:32.01 | purl | blasts Lunessa to oblivion with a kamehameha wave |
| 23:32.03 | kd3 | bitching in irc: great way to get mod bugs fixed |
| 23:32.06 | kd3 | >.> |
| 23:32.15 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: So just beat the Tourment Pinatas for awhile |
| 23:32.24 | NeoTron | kdtresh: overall you can still be good but imagine how good he'd be with just a few select addons |
| 23:32.28 | Jerub | the only thing i want when healing is an idea of who is going to cop of a wild growth when i cast it on a party member |
| 23:32.31 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, it's that "awhile" that's the problem |
| 23:32.35 | Lunessa | kd3: That was said with "tongue firmly planted in my cheek." |
| 23:32.35 | ZorbaBeta | the bottleneck with me is time |
| 23:32.48 | kd3 | but I find it tends to work... |
| 23:32.52 | kd3 | laughs |
| 23:32.56 | kdtresh | neotron: i know, but the kid's weird, lol |
| 23:33.02 | ZorbaBeta | if I could just waltz into a naxx25 or something to try out raid healing, I would, but I don't want to do the long things to get geared up. and my server's crummy enough that walking into naxx25 as a fresh 80 is nigh-impossible |
| 23:33.04 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: Same for me on my DK. There's three rounds of looting in there tho, so it doesn't take very long to gear up to being able to do HToC |
| 23:33.05 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: I really enjoy healing as a drood. |
| 23:33.18 | Dagmar | Run it three times and you'll be pretty close to having all the gear you can get from there |
| 23:33.32 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: ... you know, my first ever raid was naxx25, I healed it and didn't know any of the fights. |
| 23:33.53 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, sure, but at this point there's a lot fewer people doing naxx25 |
| 23:33.53 | Lunessa | Playing with positioning of my raid frames was driving me insane for 10/25/40 the block I have now is my "best compromise" |
| 23:34.09 | Jerub | otoh, an ungeared drood can't heal HToC |
| 23:34.13 | ZorbaBeta | and with some notable exceptions, it's the people who want to raid but aren't good enough to raid naxx25 without everyone being covered in t8/t9 |
| 23:34.22 | ZorbaBeta | on my server, that's pretty much all it is :( |
| 23:34.23 | Dagmar | Jerub: Hence why you whack that pinata in regular for a bit |
| 23:34.38 | ZorbaBeta | if they can't outgear it to tank/spank, they can't do it. |
| 23:35.35 | Lunessa | Over-gearing an instance/raid is a crappy way to learn it's lessons. |
| 23:35.47 | ZorbaBeta | agreed. |
| 23:35.48 | Dagmar | If you got to 80 without learning the basics, you suck. |
| 23:35.50 | Lunessa | grr.. "its" not "it's" |
| 23:35.51 | WobWork | hehe, healing htoc while undergeared is an exercise in triage =) |
| 23:36.10 | WobWork | "Hm, I can afford to lose this mage..." |
| 23:36.14 | Dagmar | WobWork: First step, let the rogue die. ;) |
| 23:36.27 | Jerub | Dagmar: anyone can get to 80 facerolling. It took me 3 weeks as kitty to learn about how to use savage roar. |
| 23:36.42 | Jerub | Dagmar: and I only discovered swiftmend last week. |
| 23:36.50 | ZorbaBeta | I did a bunch of chain heroics with a hunter doing 4000dps, a DK doing 1800dps, a ret pally doing 600dps, and a somewhat undergeared, yet skilled, healer |
| 23:36.53 | WobWork | oh god, feral kittying is so complex =( |
| 23:36.59 | Lunessa | Yeah, I was trying really hard to use a Chain Heal plan as a shaman in HToC the first couple of times I did it. Not a wise plan. I'm much more flexible about it now. |
| 23:36.59 | ZorbaBeta | somehow, every time things got a little tough, the ret pally died |
| 23:37.00 | WobWork | I'm levelling up as a kitty |
| 23:37.05 | Jerub | I'm loving feral kitty dps now. |
| 23:37.10 | Jerub | it's a game in itself. |
| 23:37.11 | WobWork | and THERE ARE SO MANY BUTTONZ |
| 23:37.20 | Jerub | WobWork: what level are you? |
| 23:37.25 | ZorbaBeta | he complained, the healer said "sorry, it's just an accident!" |
| 23:37.34 | Dagmar | He was wearing healing pants. |
| 23:37.35 | kd3 | where's the mangle-spam flowchart? |
| 23:37.41 | Dagmar | ...with sequins on them. |
| 23:37.41 | ZorbaBeta | I called BS on him in /tell, he replied saying "yeah I just let him die if it gets tough". |
| 23:37.48 | Jerub | last night i had a lvl42 kitty come up to me in ogrimmar and say, "I'm sorry for asking, but can you help me with my rotation" |
| 23:37.49 | ZorbaBeta | awesome healer :D |
| 23:38.04 | Dagmar | Seriously tho, a ret paladin doing 600 dps in heroics? |
| 23:38.09 | NeoTron | for a levle 42, why the heck does the rotation matter? |
| 23:38.12 | Jerub | grabs the flowchart. |
| 23:38.17 | kd3 | he should be able to autoattack for more than 600dps |
| 23:38.17 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, outfitted in Ornate crafted plate |
| 23:38.32 | ZorbaBeta | with a few tanking items in the remaining non-ornate slots. |
| 23:38.32 | NeoTron | Dagmar: well my level 80 paladin, with zome ZG/Kara gear + level gear did well over 2000 DPS on patchwerk in a 10 man |
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| 23:38.40 | NeoTron | so yeah 600 dps means he didn't do shit |
| 23:38.40 | ZorbaBeta | (ornate is the spellpower plate, for those unfamiliar) |
| 23:38.41 | WobWork | 74 =) |
| 23:38.41 | WobWork | ZorbaBeta: How -TERRIBLE- =P |
| 23:38.47 | Jerub | NeoTron: he didn't have the shredding attacks talent, and didn't know how to fight in an instance. |
| 23:38.54 | Lunessa | heh, when I was playing a priest as my main (Lunessa in fact) I used to let the people who gave me the most trouble die any time things got too crazy. |
| 23:39.11 | ZorbaBeta | he actually moved up to about 1000dps during the heroics, and I suggested he go and *get real gear* |
| 23:39.15 | Dagmar | ZorbaBeta: So he was aware he was allowed to actually cast, right? |
| 23:39.17 | NeoTron | when I was raidign as a priest I had a HP set |
| 23:39.26 | Jerub | http://cruor-sacramentum.guildomatic.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=31 |
| 23:39.26 | NeoTron | Sartura set as I liked to call it |
| 23:39.36 | ZorbaBeta | since honestly 1000dps in full Ornate isn't all *that* bad |
| 23:39.37 | NeoTron | I could, with shield, take 3 maybe 4 hits |
| 23:39.46 | WobWork | Jerub: is that the John fucking madden image? =) |
| 23:39.58 | Jerub | I did korolon the other day in a 25voa, and I was at the bottom of the dps chart at 1800dps |
| 23:40.02 | Jerub | WobWork: yes. |
| 23:40.25 | Jerub | I was like, "wtf, what's going on" and relaised I was in my healing gear. |
| 23:40.37 | WobWork | I've realised I was in enhancement gear on the first pull of htoc |
| 23:40.45 | WobWork | "Holy shit, why do I only have 11k mana?!" |
| 23:40.53 | ZorbaBeta | I tanked Twin Valkyr 10-man in my soloing gear |
| 23:40.57 | ZorbaBeta | 435 defense, booyeah |
| 23:41.00 | Lunessa | "JOHN FUCKING MADDEN" |
| 23:41.10 | ZorbaBeta | we got the 3-minute achievement and nobody died, so, y'know, s'all good :D |
| 23:41.15 | Dagmar | WobWork: I now have Power Auras with no less than seven different set of conditionals that will put words on my screen. |
| 23:41.18 | NeoTron | ZorbaBeta: normal raiding is easy, 10 man trivial? :P |
| 23:41.28 | Dagmar | Words like "DUMBASS", "NOOB", "SHORTBUS". |
| 23:41.31 | Dagmar | It works. |
| 23:41.33 | kd3 | lmao |
| 23:41.45 | WobWork | Dagmar: <3 Power Auras |
| 23:41.50 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, 10-man isn't all that tough. on the other hand it was the first week Twin Valkyr was available, so everyone there had done it, at most, once |
| 23:41.55 | ZorbaBeta | (in 25-man) |
| 23:42.05 | NeoTron | I haven't done any toc |
| 23:42.10 | WobWork | it's awesome for frost DKs for aligning rime and KM procs |
| 23:42.11 | NeoTron | except a quick heroic 5 man in a pug |
| 23:42.18 | Lunessa | When Maelstrom Weapon was first added, I set up MSBT to say "OMG PEW PEW NOW DUMBASS" when it hit 5 stacks. |
| 23:42.19 | Jerub | yeah, i tanked H nexus last night in my kitty gear by accident. that's not as big an accident as wearing my healer gear in a 25man |
| 23:42.24 | Dagmar | It took a few instances to break myself of playing the ranged DPS DK, so I figured I'd go ahead and set up PA to eliminate a few other things I was forgetting about |
| 23:42.38 | NeoTron | I've tanked especially ulduar trash in dps gear |
| 23:42.42 | WobWork | Lunessa: yeah, that's fairly much what mine says. Although I have to have it not be in blue |
| 23:42.48 | NeoTron | after, for example, Hodir |
| 23:42.48 | WobWork | cause it blends in too much when it gets busy |
| 23:43.04 | WobWork | ..Ranged DPS DK? |
| 23:43.05 | Jerub | ulduar trash isn't very trashy... |
| 23:43.18 | Lunessa | WobWork: I did it in giant red letters - now though, red blends in too much... |
| 23:43.18 | WobWork | ulduar trash can be terrible |
| 23:43.34 | WobWork | like the ones on Cat lady's patrol |
| 23:43.37 | Dagmar | WobWork: Yeah, I've played a hunter for ages, so when things get ugly I had a tendency to *back up* and start farming diseases |
| 23:43.49 | WobWork | esp with relatively low dps |
| 23:43.56 | Dagmar | Like, this works pretty well when defending Brann Bronzebeard, but anywhere else it's just nuts |
| 23:44.03 | WobWork | although once we got the "kill the orb" down it went fine |
| 23:44.30 | Dagmar | WobWork: I took a look at recount after one instance and realized that I'd landed about half as many auto attacks as I should have |
| 23:44.37 | WobWork | Dagmar: eek |
| 23:44.55 | Dagmar | I kept aggro fine, but I was generally facing in lord only knows what direction because I couldn't see |
| 23:45.05 | Dagmar | Too busy watching cooldowns to keep landing AoE. heeh |
| 23:45.43 | Jerub | the cat lady fight i found hard when i did it for the first time the other day because we fought her with our backs to the wall. |
| 23:45.44 | NeoTron | WobWork: even better - druids can root the damn orbs |
| 23:45.47 | Jerub | zero visibility. |
| 23:45.56 | Jerub | NeoTron: i reserve teabagging till after the right |
| 23:45.56 | NeoTron | like M'uru trash in SWP |
| 23:45.57 | Jerub | er fight |
| 23:46.03 | NeoTron | the 4 handed whirlwinds of doom |
| 23:46.08 | Dagmar | Well, at least with your back to the wall you know for sure you should be facing away from it |
| 23:46.09 | NeoTron | they can be rooted too, something we never realized |
| 23:46.19 | ZorbaBeta | jerub, that was the annoying thing about our technique for XT-002 |
| 23:46.26 | ZorbaBeta | whoever the tank is basically gets a screen full of robot crotch |
| 23:46.56 | ZorbaBeta | so yeah, I am intimately familiar with XT-002's crotch, and not a lot of the rest of the robot. |
| 23:47.00 | Jerub | ZorbaBeta: yeah, that's impossible to deal with. I wish you could just park the camera somewhere and play in 3rd person properly. |
| 23:47.28 | Jerub | kinda diablo2 style. |
| 23:47.40 | Dagmar | I thought you *could* lock the camera position |
| 23:47.44 | NeoTron | ZorbaBeta: that's pretty much always the case with tanking |
| 23:48.02 | NeoTron | you get a big crotch in your face. just varying crotches depending on the boss |
| 23:48.06 | Dagmar | I guess I'll turn my spell effects down a bit more |
| 23:48.21 | NeoTron | they just need more beautiful female raid bosses wearing short skirts without underwear |
| 23:48.24 | NeoTron | i mean, for the tanks |
| 23:48.41 | Dagmar | NeoTron: There's taiwanese games for that |
| 23:49.00 | kdtresh | and probably real people, too |
| 23:49.02 | Jerub | NeoTron: Blix's romance enhancing goggles. |
| 23:49.30 | WobWork | NeoTron: totally. But once the other tank and I got into the habit, the orb never got more than halfway from it's originating source |
| 23:49.30 | Dagmar | You lose the head slot for that or it'd be a REALLY popular option |
| 23:49.42 | Jerub | srsly. I fought the brewfest boss wearing those, and it was a much more pleasant fight. |
| 23:49.46 | Dagmar | I can see that |
| 23:49.47 | Jerub | you can swap what models are used for certain things can't you? |
| 23:50.02 | alestane | Makes things look like gnomes, right? |
| 23:50.02 | Jerub | I remember back in vanilla a friend had his voidwalker wearing a different model because he liked the look better. |
| 23:50.09 | Dagmar | I've had to back up and fire off death coil in there just to figure out which flaming dwarf silhouette was me and which one was Coren. |
| 23:50.10 | Jerub | alestane: no, female orcs. |
| 23:50.11 | alestane | Jerub: SO against ToS. |
| 23:50.25 | WobWork | horde version is better than alliance version =) |
| 23:50.47 | *** join/#wowuidev Taroven (n=Taroven@HW-ESR1-208-102-197-5.fuse.net) |
| 23:51.24 | WobWork | alestane: the modifying of the voidy sure, but the horde version of the goggles is what he's referring to |
| 23:51.29 | Arrowmaster | 2 years ago we did gruul with almost the entire raid wearing those goggles, he was a really big female orc |
| 23:51.34 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: hm, the PTR installer for me isn't working, says my live version of WoW is wrong |
| 23:51.46 | Dagmar | odd |
| 23:52.12 | kd3 | you running the 0.0.1 installer or the 1.4GB x->0.3.0 one? |
| 23:52.21 | ScytheBlade1 | 1.4GB one |
| 23:52.28 | kd3 | is it in your ptr folder? |
| 23:52.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I lack a PTR folder! |
| 23:52.40 | ScytheBlade1 | That may be why |
| 23:52.44 | kd3 | go get the 0.0.1 installer |
| 23:52.52 | Dagmar | Whoops |
| 23:52.52 | ScytheBlade1 | ouch :/ |
| 23:53.04 | Jerub | making a model display differently is against the ToS? |
| 23:53.08 | kd3 | yes |
| 23:53.12 | kd3 | you're editing internal files |
| 23:53.13 | ScytheBlade1 | yes x2 |
| 23:53.14 | Dagmar | Jerub: Oh yes |
| 23:53.44 | Dagmar | 'cuz you know, making certain people a highly visible red is definitely a competitive edge |
| 23:53.57 | Arrowmaster | theres other more specific reasons |
| 23:54.00 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 23:54.02 | kd3 | or giving wsg flags ragnaros's model... |
| 23:54.10 | Dagmar | I ain't runnin' some "HOW TO SPLOIT" clinic |
| 23:54.16 | kd3 | or skipping most of aq40... |
| 23:54.19 | kd3 | >.> |
| 23:54.33 | Arrowmaster | a major one was making campfires look like stairs |
| 23:54.33 | NeoTron | I like the video of onyxia where the model was a bunny |
| 23:54.56 | kd3 | stairs? they were zep towers iirc |
| 23:55.10 | WobWork | nah stairs |
| 23:55.15 | WobWork | the ones leading to the portal |
| 23:55.26 | Arrowmaster | i just know it was something you could climb on and you could place it anyway |
| 23:55.29 | Jerub | lol. because it looked like stairs you could climb them? |
| 23:55.31 | kd3 | oh, I'm thinking of an older example |
| 23:55.37 | kd3 | collision is client-side |
| 23:55.44 | Arrowmaster | in every mmo |
| 23:55.51 | Dagmar | Well, not every |
| 23:55.52 | kd3 | if your client thinks there are stairs there, you get to climb them |
| 23:55.55 | WobWork | they used it to bypass all sorts of content |
| 23:56.03 | WobWork | like in AQ20 |
| 23:56.29 | Jerub | that's a brutal haxx |
| 23:56.34 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 23:56.37 | Arrowmaster | mmos dont have the server side processing power needed to do all checks serverside so they let the clients police themselves |
| 23:56.40 | Dagmar | This is why they drop the hammer on dirty cheaters. |
| 23:56.42 | kd3 | which is why model-changing is against tos |
| 23:56.59 | Arrowmaster | run speed was a very early one in wow, its controlled clientside too |
| 23:57.34 | Dagmar | Thankfully they can spot you doing it tho |
| 23:57.37 | Jerub | man, if blizz didn't want us to hack the run speed, they would've made the barrens smaller ;) </troll> |
| 23:57.43 | Dagmar | Certain velocities will get attention |
| 23:58.01 | kd3 | say... anything faster than a 310% mount with crusader |
| 23:58.08 | kd3 | >.> |
| 23:58.13 | Dagmar | Just baout |
| 23:58.36 | Dagmar | Speedhackers don't tend to stop at just "slightly" faster than that tho |
| 23:58.59 | Arrowmaster | yeah they do some checking but they dont do enough that its enforced serverside, otherwise you might get that effect like when lagging where as you run you keep getting teleported a few feet back |
| 23:59.01 | ZorbaBeta | I don't know why they don't do some kind of basic small probabalistic checking, though |
| 23:59.17 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Why enforce when you can just banhammer? :) |
| 23:59.26 | ZorbaBeta | every second choose half a dozen people in the world who are moving and make sure they're moving at roughly the right speed |
| 23:59.31 | Arrowmaster | they dont have the server power to enforce it |
| 23:59.39 | ZorbaBeta | if they're not, flag the account and watch it more closely |
| 23:59.41 | Jerub | blizz isn't exactly quick at stopping exploits. dead body billboards, for instance. |
| 23:59.50 | kd3 | considering the servers still fall over if they're breathed on... |
| 23:59.53 | Dagmar | There's no easy way to stop that |
