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| 00:31.02 | Shirik | Here's an interesting question foxlit |
| 00:31.02 | Shirik | regarding your earlier comment |
| 00:32.24 | Shirik | int *gref; void foo() { int a = 4; gref = &a; } void bar() { int b = 3; assert(&b == gref); } int main() { foo(); bar(); } |
| 00:32.24 | Shirik | does bar's assertion pass? |
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| 00:33.24 | foxlit | maybe |
| 00:33.24 | Shirik | I think for most compilers the answer is "yes" but I think the correct answer is "undefined" |
| 00:34.22 | ZorbaBeta | shirik, definitely undefined |
| 00:34.30 | foxlit | Undefined is also the more obvious answer. |
| 00:48.02 | Arrowmaster | MemTotal: 6122836 kB |
| 00:48.02 | Arrowmaster | MemFree: 50108 kB |
| 00:48.06 | Arrowmaster | fucking firefox |
| 00:48.31 | Dagmar | Damn windows users |
| 00:48.38 | Arrowmaster | im not on windows |
| 00:48.44 | Dagmar | Obviously |
| 00:49.30 | Dagmar | Don't get excited because MemFree is low if you left a java or flash app going. |
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| 00:49.59 | Arrowmaster | firefox is using 70% of my 6 gigs of ram.... |
| 00:49.59 | Dagmar | ...and especially don't get excited about it if you've not looked at how much is being used by filesystem and shared libs cache |
| 00:50.08 | Dagmar | Doubtful |
| 00:50.24 | Arrowmaster | im looking at htop right now and it says its using 70% of my 6 gigs of ram |
| 00:50.32 | Dagmar | Good for it. |
| 00:50.39 | Dagmar | Go shoot whoever made that effed up binary |
| 00:50.53 | Dagmar | <-- builds Firefox and uses it. Doesn't have problems. |
| 00:51.20 | Dagmar | With as much of a pain in the ass as it is to build now, I wouldn't tolerate anything like that out of it |
| 00:51.24 | Arrowmaster | how about i shoot whoever made this shitty 64bit adobe flash plugin |
| 00:51.30 | Dagmar | Even better |
| 00:51.40 | Dagmar | Those mofos are broken |
| 00:52.26 | Arrowmaster | ok im down to only 19 tabs open |
| 00:52.56 | Dagmar | Jesus man. Leave some internets for other people |
| 00:53.23 | Lopeppeppy | Only. *laugh* |
| 00:53.54 | Dagmar | I wanna point out there's these things called 'bookmarks' that let the browser actually _remember_ sites you were at before |
| 00:54.05 | Dagmar | That way you don't have to keep a tab open if you think you might go back to that site. |
| 00:54.25 | Arrowmaster | why would i bookmark every page i goto |
| 00:54.44 | Dagmar | 'cept being that I tend to open about eleven to twenty tabs and THEN bookmark them all into a folder, I don't have much room to talk |
| 00:54.56 | Dagmar | Why would you keep every page you go to open indefinitely? |
| 00:55.06 | Arrowmaster | when i type a new url in its a new tab, when i click a link that goes to a different site, its a new tab |
| 00:55.47 | Arrowmaster | i close tabs when im done with them |
| 00:56.06 | Arrowmaster | i tend to open up a lot of references that i switch between |
| 00:56.25 | Dagmar | Yeah this would be why I've gtotten into the habit of ganging my bookmarks up into foldesr |
| 00:57.15 | Arrowmaster | this isnt stuff that i tend to go back to a lot so i have no reason to bookmark it |
| 00:57.41 | Dagmar | Hmmm... |
| 00:57.41 | Arrowmaster | i honestly dont have any bookmarks on the machine |
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| 01:17.37 | Yssaril | anyone know what GetRaidDifficulty() returns in oldschool raids (BC and Original 40mans)? |
| 01:17.55 | A-KO | no idea |
| 01:17.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Normal? |
| 01:18.03 | A-KO | probably Normal |
| 01:18.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Or whatever corresponds to normal |
| 01:18.04 | A-KO | yeah |
| 01:18.20 | Yssaril | there is 10 Normal and 25 Normal :P |
| 01:19.00 | A-KO | and 40s are probably normal |
| 01:19.10 | ScytheBlade1 | You SURE that "Normal" doesn't exist? |
| 01:20.39 | Yssaril | only returns a number 1-4 so what is normal |
| 01:20.53 | ScytheBlade1 | All my bets are on 1 |
| 01:21.36 | Yssaril | is the PTR currently up? |
| 01:21.39 | Dagmar | If you're in a 40-man anything at 80, it should just say "UBER" |
| 01:23.11 | ScytheBlade1 | You could just join AV |
| 01:23.24 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 01:25.41 | Yssaril | hmmm |
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| 01:55.34 | kd3 | http://origin-wcatwc.arh.noaa.gov/previous.events/09-29-09-Samoa/samoa1.jpg |
| 01:55.46 | kd3 | there's something... just... scary about that |
| 01:59.07 | Cairenn | kd3: what's it an image of? |
| 01:59.26 | Shirik | Dagmar, htop is a great application |
| 01:59.33 | kd3 | the resulting tsunami from the 7.9 quake off the coast of samoa "yesterday" |
| 01:59.40 | Cairenn | wow |
| 01:59.52 | Shirik | I trust it far more than firefox |
| 01:59.52 | Shirik | and just because you don't have a problem doesn't mean there isn't a problem |
| 02:00.24 | Cairenn | holy shit |
| 02:14.01 | Kraps | Twilight Zone pwns |
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| 02:37.27 | Shirik | sigh |
| 02:37.27 | Shirik | heroic beasts finally down |
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| 02:44.11 | ZorbaBeta | my word, QH is now taking about 15 hours to build. I need to go fix that :( |
| 02:47.42 | Thunder_Child | you know a game is substandard when on the front page you have "Faq Tages" |
| 02:51.17 | Kraps | i will never look at dolls the same way :/ |
| 02:51.57 | Thunder_Child | it makes me wonder how you look at them now |
| 02:52.01 | Kraps | Twilight Zone - Five Characters In Search Of An Exit |
| 02:52.34 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: inanimate human replicas |
| 02:52.55 | Kraps | not so in this episode |
| 03:08.38 | tem | You face Jaraxxus! |
| 03:08.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Is there a way to make recount not save the data between reloads/logouts? |
| 03:08.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I see two saved vars, but they also contain settins |
| 03:08.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Which would suck |
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| 03:24.39 | Kraps | tem: your winner! |
| 03:30.32 | Torhal | Seriously? An advertisement for "Poise pads" on WoWI? |
| 03:30.38 | Torhal | ... |
| 03:30.50 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: I suspect if your client crashed or (more likely) you got disconnected from the server you might get a little upset about not being able to look at your recount data |
| 03:31.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: I'm pretty sure (120%) that *I* wouldn't care |
| 03:32.07 | Dagmar | Well, I'm trying to get the hang of this deathknight thing |
| 03:32.10 | Dagmar | I wanna know |
| 03:32.23 | Dagmar | ...although frankly I think the issue is being undergeared. |
| 03:32.39 | Dagmar | We did some ToC (regular) runs last night with my DPS going up by 150-200 each run |
| 03:34.01 | tem | Kraps, hmm? |
| 03:34.52 | Kraps | tem: you beat ToC? |
| 03:35.06 | tem | we're on twins atm |
| 03:35.17 | tem | and our system is all kinds of dumb tonight |
| 03:35.22 | Kraps | cool |
| 03:35.24 | tem | I wanted to get a trophy but I can't roll |
| 03:35.37 | tem | my 4pc is actually worthwhile now |
| 03:35.41 | tem | so I wants it |
| 03:35.53 | Kraps | what are you? |
| 03:36.33 | tem | dk tank |
| 03:37.48 | Dagmar | just a reality check... 1110 defense is complete freaking overkill, right? |
| 03:40.43 | Dagmar | Ah I see |
| 03:49.30 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, hilarious overkill, and I'm not entirely convinced it's possible without being insane |
| 03:49.47 | Dagmar | Well, he was collecting it to see how high it would go |
| 03:49.55 | Dagmar | I think he's got some room for play in that gear now |
| 03:50.03 | ZorbaBeta | alright, that's believable. Yes, it's complete freaking overkill, though ;) |
| 03:50.33 | ZorbaBeta | still, it's not as bad as you might think - even post-cap, defense is a reasonably good mitigation stat |
| 03:51.09 | Dagmar | Well, I see now that it also affects dodge, block, and parry |
| 03:51.17 | ZorbaBeta | it also reduces the chance for you to be hit |
| 03:51.24 | ZorbaBeta | (in other words, +miss) |
| 03:51.28 | Dagmar | Yeah |
| 03:51.46 | Dagmar | I'm going to try to encourage him to shed a bit in favor of say, strength |
| 03:52.12 | Kraps | a lot of TZ episodes have a dead person that hasn't quite left this world |
| 03:52.29 | Dagmar | He *did* manage to 2-man MT the other night with his gf healing, but that seems more like bar bet gear to me |
| 03:55.56 | tem | MT? |
| 03:56.03 | tem | Magiters' Terrace? |
| 03:56.04 | Dagmar | Magister's Terrace |
| 03:56.21 | tem | I soloed that until I got my orb, mount and pet |
| 03:56.45 | Dagmar | Yes, but you're a DK |
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| 04:01.52 | Tepel | did you know MC has some hard bosses when all you have is a resto shaman and a rogue |
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| 04:03.09 | Dagmar | MC has some hard bosses period |
| 04:03.12 | Dagmar | They're a slog at 80 |
| 04:05.03 | Tepel | There was this one boss where we had to sit it out until the adds ran out of mana |
| 04:05.14 | Tepel | Silly healers |
| 04:17.49 | Arrowmaster | so i need suggestions on a cd/dvd case to hold 54 dvds, preferably a hard case, that will keep the dvds scratch free |
| 04:18.17 | ScytheBlade1 | external hard drive |
| 04:18.20 | ScytheBlade1 | go |
| 04:19.11 | Arrowmaster | no this is for my sg-1 box set, i'm getting pissed at the fold out cardboard slot case thingy |
| 04:19.23 | Dagmar | Pretty much the same deal |
| 04:19.31 | Dagmar | They're probably single-sided discs |
| 04:19.41 | Arrowmaster | they are |
| 04:19.47 | Dagmar | One 300Gb drive could in an external case could hold them all |
| 04:20.04 | Dagmar | then you could just put the nice colletors box on the shelf and leave it |
| 04:20.12 | Arrowmaster | but one was scratched up enough i couldnt play it normally, and it took 36 hours for vobcopy to copy the last 200mb of it to my harddrive |
| 04:21.33 | Dagmar | Sounds like all the more reason to put those suckers away so they won't get any more "life" on them |
| 04:21.56 | Dagmar | I just get tired of digging around for mine so I rip 'em, and put the box and disc in the closet in a box |
| 04:22.16 | Dagmar | ...and I hold a finger up as a salute to the MPAA every time I do it. |
| 04:23.04 | Arrowmaster | ill probably just get another caselogic 64 disc case |
| 04:24.45 | Arrowmaster | i was probably going to rip them anyway due to dvd being a shitty format, fucking interlaced fields and 29.97 fps |
| 04:25.18 | Dagmar | They're telecined |
| 04:25.27 | Dagmar | ...which is not an obscenity |
| 04:25.50 | Dagmar | If you rip 'em with handbrake and they come out with a different frame rate, then you can be sure |
| 04:26.28 | Arrowmaster | i ripped the first eps of true blood with handbrake, came out at 24.01fps |
| 04:26.53 | Dagmar | That would be a sign they're telecined so they'll play correctly with multiple destination frame rates |
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| 04:27.18 | Dagmar | Drove me *batty* trying to figure out WTF was with The Colour of Magick |
| 04:27.19 | Arrowmaster | its a sign that its not a perfect 3:2 pulldown' |
| 04:27.27 | Dagmar | That's because it's not |
| 04:27.30 | kd3 | wait, wait... 'telecine'? not an obscenity? |
| 04:27.34 | Dagmar | Not all the frames are imporant |
| 04:27.37 | Dagmar | er important |
| 04:27.48 | kd3 | looks for something a bit more alcoholic |
| 04:27.53 | Arrowmaster | frames are lost when its telecined |
| 04:28.31 | Arrowmaster | its the cause of the stuttering animation instead of fluid |
| 04:28.34 | Dagmar | Yes, and extra frames have been inserted |
| 04:28.44 | Dagmar | It'll come out smooth at 24 |
| 04:28.49 | Arrowmaster | yes extra WRONG frames |
| 04:29.09 | Dagmar | They'll be discarded by Handbrake |
| 04:29.25 | Arrowmaster | you dont get back the original though |
| 04:29.53 | Dagmar | Far as I can tell it's close enough |
| 04:30.11 | Dagmar | The opening scene with A'tuin the Great Turtle would be a perfect test for judder |
| 04:30.21 | Dagmar | No rat's teeth, no juddering, no nothin at 24 |
| 04:30.40 | Arrowmaster | kd3: im tempted to get Dagmar a region 1 copy of eva and let him try to rip that |
| 04:31.04 | kd3 | looks at his eva boxset and sighs |
| 04:31.09 | Dagmar | Mainly, I just trust Handbrake to get it right |
| 04:31.15 | Dagmar | There's weird crap going on in these discs |
| 04:31.17 | Arrowmaster | kd3: sucker |
| 04:31.45 | Dagmar | About the only thing it won't handle is when the publishers are feeling especially a**holish and actually put cueing data in that skips befouled parts of the disc |
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| 04:32.48 | Dagmar | ...so you get crap if you try to rip a stream straight through, but since the player (in theory) knows it should be playing say, 0:00.00 to 0:25.34 and then 0:27.21 to 0:48.00 (for example) they can stick garbage in the space between which a player will skip and a ripper wil not |
| 04:33.06 | Dagmar | This MAY be what you're seeing with EVA if you're getting inexplicable corruption |
| 04:33.37 | Arrowmaster | no EVA region 1 dvds are probably the absolutely most fucked up dvd mastering ever done |
| 04:33.42 | Dagmar | (I can damn well pirate anything, I just generally don't because a 'key purchase' attack is easier) |
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| 04:36.13 | Arrowmaster | a group that did a dvd rip of it had to go through and reconstruct frames in an image editor from fields because they were so fucked up with half frames and shit that it was impossible to get a decent progressive output from it |
| 04:36.13 | Dagmar | There've been a few people who've come through #MythTV-users reporting some of the aforementioned 'garbage in middle of stream' techniques being employed on discs made by Sony |
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| 04:36.56 | Dagmar | Either way, Handbrake seems to be able to readily discard extra telecine frames |
| 04:37.22 | Arrowmaster | thats not the point of whats wrong with telecine |
| 04:37.37 | Arrowmaster | frames are lost when its telecined that can never be recovered |
| 04:38.38 | kd3 | groans at xkcd |
| 04:39.16 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:40.39 | Dagmar | Since when |
| 04:40.45 | Dagmar | They _add_ frames to bring 24 up to 29.976 |
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| 04:43.23 | MentalPower | telecine is a completely reversible process |
| 04:45.10 | Thunder_Child | just like having a child |
| 04:46.20 | Dagmar | MentalPower: I *soooo* eyeballed the crap out of that The Colour of Magic rip trying to figure out what effing magic trick it was doign ehhe |
| 04:47.00 | Dagmar | It was making me crazy seeing it play fine at 29.976, and the rip played fine at 24 and in neither case could I see anything wrong with any frame |
| 04:47.46 | Arrowmaster | FOUND IT! |
| 04:47.47 | Arrowmaster | http://www.avdeals.com/classroom/Proscanexplained.htm |
| 04:49.46 | Arrowmaster | the end explains how after detelecining the timing is still off |
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| 04:51.29 | Dagmar | To a degree no one gives a crap about |
| 04:52.07 | MentalPower | so long as the thing is not interlaced, the minute error in timing is bearable in my book |
| 04:54.07 | Dagmar | Yeah if I can watch that turtle do a slow crawl across the screen in 720 and see nothing wrong, it's good enough for me |
| 04:54.59 | Arrowmaster | telecine judder is very noticable to me in action scenes |
| 04:56.04 | MentalPower | interlacing artifacts would be a lot more noticeable |
| 04:56.12 | MentalPower | the lesser of the two evils |
| 04:58.32 | MentalPower | and the only reason you have judder is because the screen cannot go to 72Hz (or the transmission between the producer and the screen cannot carry 72Hz) |
| 04:59.39 | MentalPower | and you cant't go down to 48Hz or 24Hz cause those are both too slow on an LCD/CRT |
| 05:00.54 | MentalPower | night all |
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| 05:13.14 | ScytheBlade1 | http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1283/790399551_d8a1e0ea5a.jpg |
| 05:14.33 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:14.54 | Thunder_Child | lol indeed |
| 05:15.20 | ScytheBlade1 | also related: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1386563&cid=29589005 |
| 05:15.46 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:17.19 | Thunder_Child | but you might as well just use adware then, at least it's free |
| 05:21.26 | Shirik | adware? |
| 05:21.31 | Shirik | adaware? |
| 05:25.14 | Shirik | Why do people die when they burn? |
| 05:26.09 | Shirik | google does not know! |
| 05:26.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Something about blood loss and exceedingly high temperatures for organs to operate |
| 05:26.30 | Mr_Rabies | i've seen computers with norton, mcafee sitting around going ALL GOOD ROUND HERE |
| 05:26.44 | Mr_Rabies | with viruses visibily running |
| 05:27.07 | Mr_Rabies | avg too, most of the free ones are pretty damned awful |
| 05:28.05 | Shirik | where is the blood loss? |
| 05:28.32 | Shirik | Mr_Rabies: That's typically because there's a lot of viruses that disable well-known AV programs |
| 05:28.42 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 05:28.50 | ScytheBlade1 | something about flesh burning off and the temperature evaporating the water |
| 05:28.54 | Shirik | The best antivirus program is the user |
| 05:29.00 | Shirik | The second best antivirus program is the OS |
| 05:29.02 | Mr_Rabies | i've only seen one virus ridden computer successfully bring down nod32 |
| 05:29.08 | Mr_Rabies | and it was improperly configured |
| 05:30.22 | Mr_Rabies | the problem with that shirik, is unless the user is knowlegable enough to use noscript and adblock, there's always vulnerabilities |
| 05:30.36 | Shirik | I don't use noscript and I don't use adblock |
| 05:30.42 | Shirik | and I do not live in fear of viruses |
| 05:30.45 | Mr_Rabies | do you use windows? |
| 05:30.47 | Shirik | in fact, I do not have an antivirus program |
| 05:30.48 | Shirik | yes |
| 05:31.02 | Mr_Rabies | you probably have at least one or two ;x |
| 05:31.30 | Shirik | I know at least mcafee is incapable of detecting anything on my computer because I am forced to run a scan every time I connect at the school network |
| 05:32.07 | Mr_Rabies | i've googled for "(my city) weather" before during a particularly bad storm and gotten nod32 popups warning of viruses |
| 05:32.10 | Shirik | I am convinced there is nothing on my computer |
| 05:32.32 | Shirik | If your browser is installing viruses, there is something wrong with your browser or something wrong with your use of the browser |
| 05:32.53 | Mr_Rabies | not at all, it was a simple google link |
| 05:33.00 | Shirik | That means nothing |
| 05:33.02 | Mr_Rabies | it wasn't installed because nod32 got it |
| 05:33.04 | Shirik | Furthermore, that really cool thing called UAC? |
| 05:33.09 | Shirik | It's actually useful |
| 05:33.13 | Shirik | and shouldn't be disabled |
| 05:33.16 | Mr_Rabies | but basically clicking it was enough to get nod32 to hit it up |
| 05:33.19 | Mr_Rabies | i agree, 100% |
| 05:33.29 | Shirik | nod32 was either overreacting or there is a problem with your browser |
| 05:33.30 | Shirik | that is all |
| 05:33.40 | Shirik | HTML cannot infect your computer |
| 05:33.50 | Mr_Rabies | flash can, pretty well |
| 05:33.57 | Shirik | heh |
| 05:34.03 | Shirik | I'm really getting sick of that argument |
| 05:34.09 | Shirik | Besides, flash is not an administrator |
| 05:34.17 | Shirik | Flash cannot install anything on my computer |
| 05:35.43 | Mr_Rabies | if you only go to trusted websites it's not as likely you're infected, but recently even the new york times website had ads that were causing people to get infected |
| 05:35.56 | Shirik | perhaps on poorly configured computers |
| 05:36.26 | Mr_Rabies | a lot of people still use xp, like, a ton of them |
| 05:36.36 | Shirik | not my problem |
| 05:36.40 | Mr_Rabies | i would if it could read all my RAM :[ |
| 05:36.41 | Shirik | they need to get with the times |
| 05:37.03 | Mr_Rabies | i'm getting rid of vista asap when my win7 upgrade comes in |
| 05:37.32 | Shirik | Is it scary Internet Explorer is the most safe browser on Windows Server? |
| 05:37.41 | Shirik | except maybe if I installed lynx or something |
| 05:37.50 | Shirik | but even lynx is a bit less safe I guess |
| 05:38.00 | ZorbaBeta | wget |
| 05:38.06 | ZorbaBeta | (and notepad) |
| 05:38.11 | Shirik | even wget is less safe |
| 05:38.15 | Shirik | wget goes to the page you ask it to go to |
| 05:38.24 | Mr_Rabies | i was using an out-of the box firefox with java + flash installed, and no addons otherwise, in windows 7 |
| 05:38.30 | Shirik | internet explorer is like "You aren't allowed to go there gtfo" until you tell it "yes I really meant that" |
| 05:38.52 | Mr_Rabies | and nod32 was like ALART RUSSIAN VIRUS WEBSITE ALART |
| 05:38.57 | Shirik | it's so annoying |
| 05:39.14 | Mr_Rabies | had to close the process to make it stop trying to install viruses through every means necessary |
| 05:40.11 | Shirik | p.s. firefox is crap |
| 05:40.15 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 agrees |
| 05:40.19 | Shirik | I made him agree |
| 05:40.25 | Shirik | forces ScytheBlade1 to agree |
| 05:41.14 | ScytheBlade1 | I strongly disagree |
| 05:41.18 | ScytheBlade1 | stabinates Shirik |
| 05:41.27 | ZorbaBeta | firefox is crap, agreed |
| 05:41.29 | Shirik | he actually agrees |
| 05:41.33 | ZorbaBeta | sadly every other browser is decomposing crap |
| 05:41.35 | Shirik | he just forgot how to speak english currently |
| 05:41.39 | ScytheBlade1 | stabinates Shirik |
| 05:41.44 | Shirik | see |
| 05:41.49 | Shirik | he's using strange words like stabinates |
| 05:41.57 | ScytheBlade1 | eviscerates Shirik |
| 05:42.05 | Mr_Rabies | i agree a smart user is definitely important in keeping a system safe, but it's not enough anymore |
| 05:42.09 | Shirik | and now he thinks he's some kind of elf |
| 05:42.15 | Shirik | I disagree |
| 05:42.24 | Shirik | and I feel I am a testament to that |
| 05:42.35 | Shirik | I INTENTIONALLY open viruses |
| 05:42.37 | Shirik | and I am still not infected |
| 05:42.40 | Mr_Rabies | too many crime syndicates are making millions on viruses to not have some type of proactive protection |
| 05:42.58 | Shirik | p.s. the fact that I intentionally open viruses is the reason I don't install a virus scanner |
| 05:49.26 | Mr_Rabies | see what a squared free says sometime and you'll have shut me up, but be wary a squared, while it finds damn near everything, also is completely paranoid on what it calls malware |
| 05:49.45 | Mr_Rabies | like, if their EULA is sketchy they'll flag em |
| 05:49.53 | Mr_Rabies | but they find legit stuff really damned well |
| 05:50.23 | Mr_Rabies | not so great at removing it but it's good for a "welp i'm infected" message |
| 05:51.30 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not gonna say it's impossible you're not infected, i have no clue what my retarded customers manage to do to get vista so broken that a reinstall is necessary, and the only possible option |
| 05:55.31 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:55.36 | Shirik | Next week |
| 05:55.42 | Shirik | I have to give a presentation on automatic code generation |
| 05:56.09 | Shirik | they won't let me talk about my own stuff :( |
| 05:57.01 | Mr_Rabies | sorry for coming back from not talking for probably several days to a couple weeks only to argue with you shirik |
| 05:57.08 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:57.10 | Mr_Rabies | i'm tired :( |
| 05:57.11 | ScytheBlade1 | why not? |
| 05:57.52 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, http://www.woot.com/ |
| 05:58.08 | Shirik | nice, but I already have one Thunder_Child |
| 05:58.12 | Thunder_Child | ok |
| 05:58.20 | Shirik | but <3 |
| 05:58.28 | Thunder_Child | ^_^ |
| 05:58.31 | Shirik | what I'm looking for now |
| 05:58.36 | Shirik | a fireproof/waterproof safe |
| 05:58.39 | Shirik | I think |
| 05:58.48 | Thunder_Child | silly you |
| 05:58.52 | Shirik | since nobody can find me a tape drive that's good |
| 05:59.20 | Thunder_Child | safety deposit box > home safe. you want physical seperation |
| 05:59.21 | Shirik | but I still don't know what media to use |
| 05:59.25 | Shirik | Yeah |
| 05:59.28 | Shirik | but where can I get that |
| 05:59.31 | Thunder_Child | bank |
| 05:59.35 | Thunder_Child | any bank |
| 05:59.38 | Shirik | they let you store more than money...? |
| 05:59.39 | Thunder_Child | most banks* |
| 05:59.42 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 05:59.45 | Thunder_Child | it's a box! |
| 05:59.49 | Shirik | I don't have some swiss bank |
| 05:59.50 | Thunder_Child | you can store anything |
| 05:59.51 | Shirik | or anything |
| 05:59.57 | Thunder_Child | most banks have them |
| 05:59.58 | Thunder_Child | just ask |
| 06:00.01 | Shirik | how much does that cost... |
| 06:00.09 | Thunder_Child | that depends on the bank |
| 06:00.14 | Shirik | swiss bank? |
| 06:00.16 | Shirik | cost a fortune? |
| 06:00.18 | Mr_Rabies | and size of box |
| 06:00.26 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 06:00.33 | Shirik | Still I really don't feel a hard drive is a good permanent storage solution |
| 06:00.33 | Mr_Rabies | some offer several sizes and options |
| 06:00.33 | Thunder_Child | they go from small to people size |
| 06:00.48 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, flash drive might be though |
| 06:00.52 | Corrodias | there is no -permanent- one...? |
| 06:00.55 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, hdd with no power may lose data pretty quickly |
| 06:01.00 | Corrodias | except maybe that |
| 06:01.07 | Mr_Rabies | especialy with compared to a tape |
| 06:01.22 | Shirik | I really wish I could go with tape |
| 06:01.28 | Shirik | but right now it doesn't seem economical |
| 06:01.34 | Shirik | they all seem geared towards businesses |
| 06:01.37 | Shirik | and I don't have that kind of money |
| 06:01.39 | Corrodias | it never really has been |
| 06:01.39 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 06:01.46 | Shirik | seems like everyone's forgotten about consumer-level tape drives |
| 06:01.49 | Mr_Rabies | they're cheaper per gb if you need a TON of storage |
| 06:02.07 | Thunder_Child | so go with optical media (blu-ray) then every so often upgrade to the newest media style |
| 06:02.25 | Shirik | I thought optical media lost data pretty quickly |
| 06:02.40 | Mr_Rabies | as long as you also have an hdd backup, heh |
| 06:02.42 | Thunder_Child | in a vault? |
| 06:02.46 | Thunder_Child | not really |
| 06:02.48 | Shirik | that is, consumer optical media |
| 06:02.53 | Shirik | not the truly burned kind |
| 06:03.00 | Thunder_Child | light exposure is the biggest issue with optical media |
| 06:03.06 | Mr_Rabies | memorize the binary sequence of all of the data |
| 06:03.09 | Shirik | ah is that what iti s? |
| 06:03.13 | Shirik | I nevet knew why |
| 06:03.13 | Thunder_Child | at least they wont be harmed by an EM pusle |
| 06:03.16 | Mr_Rabies | barring a stroke or alzheimers you're gold |
| 06:03.16 | Corrodias | over a period of several years |
| 06:03.25 | Thunder_Child | which is what bank robbers will be using i am sure... |
| 06:03.47 | Corrodias | put it on 5.25" floppy! |
| 06:03.48 | Shirik | I'm actually nervous about flash as a permanent solution tbh |
| 06:04.01 | Shirik | flash is extremely susceptable to radiation |
| 06:04.20 | Mr_Rabies | if all you need is data, what about a service like carbonite or other offsite backup |
| 06:04.21 | Shirik | which sounds like a stupid complaint but it's a very real problem |
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| 06:04.36 | Mr_Rabies | in which basically if they lose that crap they're completely screwed |
| 06:04.39 | Shirik | I tried using an online offsite backup service but I simply cannot keep in sync with them |
| 06:04.50 | Shirik | takes way too long for my hard drive to sync |
| 06:04.56 | Shirik | I generate data faster than it can be backed up |
| 06:05.02 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, it took one guy i know over 6 months to do a backup |
| 06:05.10 | Mr_Rabies | in the meantime, the drive died |
| 06:05.13 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:05.16 | Mr_Rabies | so he ended up losing data |
| 06:05.18 | Shirik | the irony |
| 06:05.36 | Shirik | Well, when every picture I take is 25MB |
| 06:05.40 | Shirik | and I bracket all pictures |
| 06:05.43 | Corrodias | i use hard drives for backup, but not yet in a safe. i'm lazy i guess. |
| 06:05.47 | Shirik | that means every shot I take is basically 75MB |
| 06:05.47 | Mr_Rabies | he had like 10 hdds, i think some of them in an array or something |
| 06:06.02 | Mr_Rabies | he was a photographer, so he liked to keep lots of backups and stuff |
| 06:06.12 | Shirik | So he's in the same position as me |
| 06:06.22 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, except completely unlucky |
| 06:06.36 | Shirik | Well, I have to be careful too |
| 06:06.42 | Mr_Rabies | i think he may be slightly magnetic because all of his drives die really damned fast |
| 06:06.44 | Shirik | my hard drives have been showing signs of deterioration |
| 06:06.59 | Mr_Rabies | i know photoshop is pretty rough on drives, but damn |
| 06:07.00 | Shirik | so I need to get this figured out soon |
| 06:07.04 | Shirik | yeah |
| 06:07.08 | Shirik | I gave photoshop its own hard drive |
| 06:07.09 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:07.11 | Thunder_Child | only one of mine is dieing, i'm just happy it's the smallest |
| 06:07.16 | Shirik | it asks for a "scratch location" |
| 06:07.23 | Shirik | So I gave it one of my old 8GB drives on my desktop |
| 06:07.31 | Mr_Rabies | i'd get a d-link dns-321 in the meantime unless it exceeds like 2tb or so |
| 06:07.50 | Mr_Rabies | or 1 tb, i forget if they take the 2gb drives |
| 06:07.51 | Shirik | nah so far I'm sitting at about 100GB |
| 06:07.57 | Mr_Rabies | er 2tb |
| 06:08.17 | Mr_Rabies | you can grab a dns-321, pop 2 drives that you pick yourself in it |
| 06:08.26 | Mr_Rabies | they store in ext3 and support mirroring |
| 06:08.33 | Mr_Rabies | emails you if a drive fails, etc |
| 06:08.37 | Shirik | But really I need off-site |
| 06:08.40 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 06:08.44 | Shirik | as Thunder_Child pointed out |
| 06:08.49 | Mr_Rabies | certainly |
| 06:09.00 | Mr_Rabies | redundancy is always important |
| 06:09.39 | Shirik | I think the official IT solution is to have 3 copies: the live copy, a locked-away local copy, and a copy in an off-site location |
| 06:09.51 | Shirik | I don't care about the local copy tbh because I don't need quick access |
| 06:09.52 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 06:10.18 | Mr_Rabies | full drive recovery is damned expensive |
| 06:10.35 | Shirik | you have no idea |
| 06:10.44 | Shirik | I did a CF card recovery once |
| 06:10.49 | Shirik | THAT was expensive |
| 06:10.57 | Shirik | I think it ended up being nearly $20k |
| 06:10.58 | Mr_Rabies | heh |
| 06:11.01 | Mr_Rabies | what went wrong |
| 06:11.04 | Shirik | it um |
| 06:11.08 | Mr_Rabies | Wow, damn dude |
| 06:11.08 | Shirik | well |
| 06:11.16 | Thunder_Child | you spent 20,000 on a CF recovery? |
| 06:11.21 | Mr_Rabies | most i've heard was near $10k or so |
| 06:11.23 | Shirik | Depends on how you define "you" |
| 06:11.30 | Shirik | But um |
| 06:11.31 | Thunder_Child | out of your pocket |
| 06:11.32 | Shirik | let's just say this |
| 06:11.35 | Shirik | no Thunder_Child |
| 06:11.38 | Thunder_Child | ok, good |
| 06:11.39 | Shirik | Let's just say this |
| 06:11.42 | Shirik | the black boxes on airplanes? |
| 06:11.53 | Thunder_Child | that arent black, yes? |
| 06:12.01 | Shirik | Yeah, basically that CF card was the black box for this unmanned aircraft |
| 06:12.09 | Thunder_Child | oh |
| 06:12.11 | Thunder_Child | ah* |
| 06:12.16 | Shirik | it was much less ... indestructable |
| 06:12.26 | Mr_Rabies | yeah i'd say |
| 06:12.31 | Shirik | What made it so expensive though was because it was some special proprietary algorithm on the chips |
| 06:12.41 | Shirik | so getting the data off was apparently a pita for them |
| 06:12.51 | Mr_Rabies | cf's pretty resilient but nowhere near that |
| 06:12.55 | Shirik | because we use military grade CF cards, etc. |
| 06:13.10 | Mr_Rabies | i've had to resolder a couple flash drives here and there for customers for recovery |
| 06:13.15 | Shirik | I think the card costs like $700 for 1GB or something |
| 06:13.49 | Mr_Rabies | damn |
| 06:14.41 | Shirik | but it looks really good :D |
| 06:14.43 | Thunder_Child | mill grade shouldnt be that expensive |
| 06:14.44 | Shirik | it's very shiny |
| 06:14.56 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: It's also extremely high data rate I think that's really where most of the cost comes from |
| 06:15.17 | Shirik | I don't know, I don't work on that team |
| 06:15.19 | Mr_Rabies | i've been thinking about building/buying a clean room and doing hdd recovery myself as a side project |
| 06:15.20 | Shirik | so I didn't really deal with it much |
| 06:15.27 | Thunder_Child | at that cost you might as well just have a small tramsmiter |
| 06:15.32 | Thunder_Child | with a sat uplink |
| 06:15.42 | Shirik | It only became my concern when we actually needed stuff off it, lol. Until then I didn't even know anything more than "it exists" |
| 06:18.35 | Mr_Rabies | alrighty about time for me to crash, sorry again for arguing with you out of nowhere shirik |
| 06:18.44 | Shirik | I argue with everyone |
| 06:18.46 | Shirik | not a big deal |
| 06:18.58 | Thunder_Child | it was out of somewhere |
| 06:19.07 | Thunder_Child | your mou...err...fingers? |
| 06:19.18 | Mr_Rabies | i generally have to avoid resorting into name calling, i'm REALLY bad at arguing |
| 06:19.52 | Mr_Rabies | s/into/to/ |
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| 06:24.16 | Shirik | anyway |
| 06:24.20 | Shirik | I'm still not satisfied with the answer |
| 06:24.24 | Shirik | why do people die when they burn |
| 06:25.14 | Shirik | omg ScytheBlade1 |
| 06:25.28 | Dagmar | Too much carbon. |
| 06:25.28 | Shirik | wtf is a kernel oops |
| 06:25.33 | Dagmar | shiri |
| 06:25.37 | Dagmar | A *bad* error |
| 06:25.49 | Dagmar | When the kernel had no idea why it was where it was |
| 06:26.04 | Thunder_Child | major organ failure Shirik |
| 06:26.32 | Dagmar | Shirik: By now you have noticed that Linux stuff tends to carp very explicitly when it finds a problem, right? |
| 06:26.49 | Dagmar | ...and half the time the error messages tell you exactly what broke and how to fix it. |
| 06:26.50 | Shirik | "carp very explicitly"? |
| 06:27.11 | Dagmar | "carp" as in complain |
| 06:27.24 | Shirik | Yeah it's kinda like |
| 06:27.25 | Dagmar | You don't generally get Error (0x3821419941) out of Linux |
| 06:27.38 | Shirik | "Something bad happened. This happened. Here's five million variables. Pick the one that doesn't look right." |
| 06:27.46 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:27.56 | Shirik | Oh Dagmar |
| 06:27.58 | Shirik | that's nothing |
| 06:28.00 | Fisker | i should reboot |
| 06:28.01 | Dagmar | Yeah when you get an oops it means literally something happened that the coders had no idea was even possible |
| 06:28.02 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 06:28.05 | Fisker | halp |
| 06:28.06 | Shirik | you should see my school's email server |
| 06:28.22 | Shirik | I have two email addresses |
| 06:28.28 | Shirik | when I try to log into the anti-spam system on one of them |
| 06:28.32 | Shirik | I get an error |
| 06:28.39 | Shirik | It says: "Error 3001: Success" |
| 06:28.49 | Dagmar | effing index numbers are bad code |
| 06:28.52 | Shirik | every time. |
| 06:29.09 | Dagmar | "3001" is a programmer saying "I'm too much of a lazy f**k to write a proper error handler" |
| 06:29.29 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:29.32 | Shirik | I kinda know what might be going behind the scenes |
| 06:29.39 | Shirik | The school is totally confused about my "status" within the school |
| 06:29.43 | Fisker | harasses Shirik |
| 06:29.50 | Dagmar | I'd like to say there's somethign else being logged elsewhere, but it sounds like a closed-source project |
| 06:29.58 | Shirik | Some systems think I'm an undergraduate system. Some systems think I'm a graduate student. Some systems think I'm faculty. |
| 06:30.02 | Shirik | And they're all right. |
| 06:30.12 | Shirik | So I think that system is just getting totally confused when I try to log in. |
| 06:30.15 | Dagmar | So you suspect it's saying "Yes the credentials are correct" and "No he doesn't have access here" at the same time then |
| 06:30.28 | Shirik | Because the email address I'm trying to log into is a faculty address |
| 06:30.34 | Shirik | which students aren't supposed to have |
| 06:30.38 | Dagmar | You guys have LDAP NIS or AD? |
| 06:30.45 | Shirik | LDAP |
| 06:30.49 | Shirik | I think |
| 06:30.55 | Shirik | not really sure actually |
| 06:30.58 | Shirik | pretty sure it's LDAP |
| 06:31.03 | Dagmar | Have someone with a clue dump your entry in LDAP and then just any other faculty member's |
| 06:31.12 | Dagmar | Well, NIS would be somewhat rare |
| 06:31.20 | Dagmar | If it's all Windows, it'd be AD so you'd probably know that |
| 06:31.24 | Shirik | Well thing is |
| 06:31.27 | Dagmar | ...and LDAP is one of the few other common things like that |
| 06:31.29 | Shirik | Unix doesn't work well with AD right? |
| 06:31.39 | Dagmar | Radius and TACACS+ would not be a good fit afaik |
| 06:31.39 | ScytheBlade1 | AD is LDAP and Kerberos |
| 06:31.42 | Shirik | And we do have unix systems floating around which use the same credentials |
| 06:31.43 | Dagmar | Unix does actually |
| 06:31.51 | Shirik | oh then I don't really know :/ |
| 06:31.54 | Shirik | IT hates me |
| 06:31.56 | Dagmar | Unix does Kerberos great. |
| 06:32.01 | Dagmar | Well, as much as Kerberos can be great |
| 06:32.17 | Dagmar | Therefore Unix systems can be prodded into talking to AD just fine, it's just a bullshit marriage |
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| 06:32.31 | Shirik | tbh I think most of the school hates me |
| 06:32.34 | Shirik | I'm the exception to every rule |
| 06:32.38 | Dagmar | AD technically shouldn't be allowed to claim it speaks Kerberos because there's a tenet in the spec that demands perfect compatibility |
| 06:32.42 | Shirik | nobody's supposed to have cardswipe access to more than 3 labs |
| 06:32.45 | Shirik | I have access to 4 |
| 06:32.50 | Fisker | fu Shirik |
| 06:32.52 | Dagmar | i.e., you can't make up your own private extentions to Kerberos like Microsoft did |
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| 06:33.03 | Shirik | Well |
| 06:33.12 | Shirik | Microsoft "couldn't" make their own Java extensions either |
| 06:33.12 | nevcairiel | like thats a rule MS will honor :P |
| 06:33.22 | Dagmar | exactly. |
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| 06:33.29 | Dagmar | Someone called them on that publicly |
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| 06:33.57 | Dagmar | Many people did actually IIRC |
| 06:34.37 | Dagmar | They've got a long standing history of embrace, adopt, modify, dilute |
| 06:35.08 | Shirik | I'm not sure of my stance on microsoft actually |
| 06:35.15 | Shirik | I think innovation is very important to software |
| 06:35.22 | Shirik | however I also think they undervalue standards |
| 06:35.26 | Dagmar | Shirik: If they're using LDAP, just comparing your credentials to someone elses will make something obvious |
| 06:35.59 | Dagmar | I think they pick on other people's standards by claiming to support them, and then forking it in some way which is impossible to backport. |
| 06:36.13 | Shirik | But like |
| 06:36.14 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: why is nobody supposed to have cardswipe access to more than 3 labs? |
| 06:36.24 | Shirik | even .NET hasn't really been staying very "standard" |
| 06:36.27 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Hell if I know |
| 06:36.37 | Shirik | Because campus safety has to invent rules to create red tape so it looks like they're doing something |
| 06:36.39 | Dagmar | Shirik: Frankly I think they wrote the spec just to keep open-source coders busy |
| 06:36.47 | Shirik | Don't pay attention to the fact that someone got held up at knifepoint last semester |
| 06:36.48 | Shirik | no |
| 06:36.50 | Corrodias | i like the way you put it. i like microsoft most of the time, though they can annoy me also. |
| 06:36.53 | Shirik | it's more important to lock down labs |
| 06:37.03 | Dagmar | It didn't matter how crap their own implementation is if they can get all these people to detail what's wrong with it and even write their own public spec, for free |
| 06:37.55 | Dagmar | That's got to be some deranged "anti shooting spree" provision |
| 06:38.03 | Dagmar | ...and a dumb as crap one |
| 06:38.37 | Dagmar | They should have a damn duress code system for that |
| 06:39.19 | Shirik | funny thing is |
| 06:39.24 | Corrodias | when something is stolen from a lab, they only have 300 possible people to blame instead of 900! |
| 06:39.27 | Shirik | I've been protesting campus safety all semester |
| 06:39.37 | Dagmar | If you go badge+pin, all someone has to do is something as simple as add ONE to their PIN and type it in |
| 06:39.40 | Shirik | I don't have a parking pass this semester yet |
| 06:39.53 | Shirik | And I still haven't gotten a ticket either, lol |
| 06:40.09 | Dagmar | This will signal duress, the system will alert the security operators, who will then take whatever steps are necessary |
| 06:40.16 | Shirik | I think all my classes are late enough that they've already done their rounds before I get there |
| 06:40.20 | Corrodias | step 1) laugh |
| 06:40.31 | Dagmar | Nah, where I work step 1 would be to lock ALL the doors |
| 06:40.38 | Shirik | what's duress, Dagmar? |
| 06:40.40 | Dagmar | ALl badges would be immediately deactivated |
| 06:40.43 | Corrodias | good idea. lock you inside with your attacker. :D |
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| 06:41.01 | Dagmar | It means you're being coerced or threatened. |
| 06:41.05 | Shirik | oh |
| 06:41.07 | Dagmar | ADT has it in a lot of their offerings |
| 06:41.16 | Shirik | so like activation of silent alarm or something? |
| 06:41.20 | Dagmar | You come home, some guy is waiting in the shadows with a gun, tells you to disable the alarm, you do so |
| 06:41.46 | Dagmar | You punch in your pin plus one, ADT immediately gets the heads up, but the local alarm system acts like nothing happened. |
| 06:42.09 | Shirik | My aunt's alarm system is lol |
| 06:42.16 | Shirik | It gets set off when you open the garage door |
| 06:42.25 | Shirik | so you have to run in, open the door, hope you get to the pad in time |
| 06:42.36 | Shirik | I think I had about a 25% rate of false alarm |
| 06:42.37 | Dagmar | Garages are easy to break into |
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| 06:43.03 | Shirik | and it's annoying because they sound so pissed off when they call |
| 06:43.16 | Shirik | "Is everything ok?! What's the passphrase! Tell me now!" |
| 06:43.17 | Dagmar | It's annoying to you because it sounds like it's a badly located pinpad for that egress, but garage doors are typically quite easy to force open |
| 06:43.50 | Dagmar | How would you feel if your day was mostly NOTHING intermittenly sprinkled with false alarms |
| 06:43.56 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:43.57 | Shirik | true |
| 06:44.22 | Corrodias | i would feel... like i want to read a book, then i could feel annoyed when they interrupted my reading with an alarm |
| 06:44.37 | Dagmar | Like, if someone wants to break into your house, and you have one of those nice metal garage doors, it's really easy to shove a transmission screwdriver in there (i.e., a long ass screwdriver) which'll have a hole through the handle, and a second screwdriver through that, and just twist the thing open |
| 06:44.45 | Dagmar | Thieves love them. |
| 06:44.47 | Corrodias | "oh, you're being attacked by fifteen murderers? i am on the LAST PAGE. you can just wait." |
| 06:45.12 | jpmorgan | door locks only keep out honest people |
| 06:45.17 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 06:45.25 | Shirik | Come to think about it |
| 06:45.28 | Dagmar | Doors have much sturdier construction (excepting apartment complexes) windows make more noise when they break, etc etc |
| 06:45.33 | Fisker | why do people think that having a huge game somehow means that there should be goldspam at all? |
| 06:45.40 | Shirik | I don't have any emergency contact at school, lol |
| 06:45.45 | Fisker | Isn't that like saying that "Oh USA is huge, so obviously there's no crime!" |
| 06:45.48 | Dagmar | Fisker: Because they're pinheads who settle for second best |
| 06:45.53 | Corrodias | i checked out diablo 2 a little bit recently. it's completely overrun with spam bots. |
| 06:45.55 | Shirik | The nearest emergency thingy is very far from all my labs |
| 06:46.05 | Shirik | and I have no way of indicating someone is forcing me to let them in |
| 06:46.19 | Dagmar | If you have pinpads, talk to administration about it |
| 06:46.40 | Shirik | nope |
| 06:46.40 | Shirik | just a cardswipe |
| 06:46.40 | Dagmar | ALmost every system has this built in |
| 06:46.40 | Shirik | then it takes forever |
| 06:46.40 | Shirik | then a green light shows up |
| 06:46.45 | Dagmar | ours are made in china or something |
| 06:46.59 | Shirik | I don't see how I could possibly indicate a problem. It's just a card |
| 06:46.59 | Dagmar | A green light comes in when it reads, but a _red_ light when it unlocks |
| 06:47.08 | Dagmar | The thinking being the red light means the door is in an insecure state |
| 06:47.12 | Dagmar | Confuses the hell out of Americans |
| 06:47.21 | Shirik | heh |
| 06:47.23 | Dagmar | It can't |
| 06:48.00 | Dagmar | The next time we replace one I'm rewiring the LEDs befor they install it |
| 06:49.53 | Dagmar | *hopefully* the next time they start replacing kit over there they'll get you guys a system that's more robust. |
| 06:49.58 | Dagmar | I have a duress _finger_ |
| 06:50.21 | Dagmar | If I stick a particular finger on the biometric readers, it'll sound silent alarms |
| 06:50.23 | Bruners | red means bad in most cases |
| 06:50.27 | Bruners | even on wimmins |
| 06:50.42 | Shirik | well |
| 06:50.49 | Shirik | it's not like our place is somewhere someone would break in |
| 06:51.00 | Dagmar | Yeah but its a school and school shootings make news |
| 06:51.02 | Shirik | I guess we have a bunch of technology |
| 06:51.04 | Fisker | baww Shirik |
| 06:51.27 | Dagmar | That gets you parents who want to know "What's being done!" and someone's gotta tell them soemthing |
| 06:51.46 | Shirik | We have emergency systems all over the place |
| 06:51.51 | Dagmar | The new policy was probably the best they could do without having to spend money |
| 06:51.53 | Shirik | I just happen to be located in poor places |
| 06:52.11 | Bruners | do all schools in america have metal detectors and shit? |
| 06:52.16 | Shirik | Our emergency systems immediately sound a siren and activate a system in all campus safety vehicles indicating exactly where I am |
| 06:52.18 | Dagmar | It's _not_ easy or simple to replace an existing physical access control system |
| 06:52.21 | Shirik | but it's certainly not silent |
| 06:52.33 | Dagmar | Bruners: No |
| 06:52.48 | Shirik | We also have CodeRED and a school-wide siren |
| 06:52.48 | Dagmar | "rough" high schools will, most colleges don't |
| 06:53.24 | Dagmar | Until that Columbine thing happened, most schools had pretty much no plan |
| 06:53.50 | Shirik | tbh our school focuses more on health safety than security safety |
| 06:54.03 | industrial | Does anyone know if I can turn off explorer's smartypants 'oh this folder has videos you want this view now!' feature? if I want detailed always and I configure it like tha tin the folder options and set the view for all folders and I turn off remembering of each folder's settings then I want it like that FOREVER DAMNIT |
| 06:54.03 | Dagmar | Probably the bigger threat unless you're in the ghetto |
| 06:54.10 | Shirik | For example, all lab instructors (including myself) are required to know how to operate the AEDs on campus |
| 06:54.12 | industrial | (windows 7) |
| 06:54.15 | Shirik | we have designated emergency weather areas |
| 06:54.16 | Shirik | posted |
| 06:54.25 | Dagmar | industrial: no idea. I'm still beating my install of that into submission |
| 06:54.58 | Dagmar | We've already used our defibrulators once |
| 06:55.03 | Bruners | industrial: hmm, it kinda remembers my settings here |
| 06:55.08 | Dagmar | No more arguing about the cost there |
| 06:56.04 | Shirik | I also take a.... less-than-conventional means of convincing my students not to mess around with equipment in the lab |
| 06:56.24 | Shirik | I take a 0.1F 120V capacitor, charge it up to like 40V |
| 06:56.26 | Bruners | industrial: if you select detailed blabal and then go folder options-view-apply to folders i think it sticks |
| 06:56.29 | Shirik | then show them what happens when I drop a wire on it |
| 06:56.36 | Shirik | it makes a very nice spark |
| 06:56.42 | Dagmar | That'll work. :) |
| 06:56.56 | Shirik | and then I say "Even things that look completely passive are extremely dangerous. Don't touch it unless you know wtf you're doing" |
| 06:57.03 | Dagmar | Most people have never seen a flyback "oops" |
| 06:57.07 | industrial | Bruners: did that no go :( |
| 06:57.09 | industrial | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/b1a87a4c236eb6c548c52dea38acdc3b.png |
| 06:57.12 | Dagmar | Those that do, don't screw around inside TVs anymore |
| 06:57.18 | industrial | left window is the child dir of the right |
| 06:57.28 | industrial | it still changes the columns and/or views |
| 06:57.30 | industrial | >:| |
| 06:57.36 | Shirik | still thing that bothers me |
| 06:57.42 | Dagmar | Hah I see you turned Aero off, too |
| 06:57.42 | Shirik | I do electrical stuff in two different labs |
| 06:57.45 | Bruners | industrial: you do know that the default theme shit uses more resources? |
| 06:57.47 | Shirik | only one of them has a fiberglass rod |
| 06:57.48 | industrial | first thing I did |
| 06:57.54 | jpmorgan | heh ouch flyback oops |
| 06:57.56 | Bruners | *old |
| 06:58.13 | industrial | Bruners: but its not zomgtranslucent |
| 06:58.18 | Dagmar | Bruners: Honestly, after you've used Ubuntu's default setup with Compiz a while, Aero starts looking like a cheap whore |
| 06:58.24 | Corrodias | industrial: you don't like the views? there's a way to make it default to "none" for all folders, using a registry edit |
| 06:58.49 | industrial | Corrodias: no I don't, I just want detailed everywhere forever |
| 06:58.51 | Shirik | industrial: leethax.org? |
| 06:58.52 | Corrodias | so whatever you set up for the columns is set for basically everything (except Computer, which has its own view) |
| 06:58.53 | Bruners | i like gentoo with xmonad now :) |
| 06:58.55 | industrial | Shirik: my host |
| 06:59.05 | industrial | Shirik: erm, shell host. |
| 06:59.05 | Corrodias | let me find where the edit is. brb. |
| 06:59.18 | Shirik | I like gentoo always! |
| 06:59.40 | industrial | Bruners: hehe somehow on my gentoo install on this desktop my X just locks up whenever I start it, window manager doesn't matter :\ |
| 07:00.19 | Bruners | http://lasseb.tihlde.org/img/images/Capture.JPG |
| 07:00.19 | Shirik | l2xorg.conf |
| 07:00.40 | industrial | heh I dont even need a filetype column in explorer :p I just want a clickable 'ls -AlFG' |
| 07:01.26 | Dagmar | Pro Tip: Don't post URLs to images that scream "I R DURTY PYRATE" in channels unless you KNOW there's no bot logging it where Google will find it |
| 07:02.21 | Bruners | cant say i care to much about that |
| 07:02.30 | industrial | Dagmar: anime usualy isn't even licensed outside japan thus not illegal afaik and care generally :\ |
| 07:02.43 | Dagmar | industrial: I saw a lot more than anime |
| 07:02.50 | Dagmar | Someone's been a busy little beaver |
| 07:03.09 | industrial | "anime music other software" ? |
| 07:03.27 | Corrodias | industrial: the way explorer saves view settings for different folders is called its "bags". you can search google for information on explorer bags. i'm still trying to find the thing that lets you delete customized folder settings and set a default. |
| 07:03.29 | Bruners | if there where to come here and bust me i would be shot right outside here |
| 07:03.34 | Dagmar | industrial: Look at Bruner's ss |
| 07:03.40 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 07:03.56 | industrial | oh, heh :E |
| 07:03.59 | Dagmar | I wouldnt' have said anything if it weren't this big LIST of stuff |
| 07:04.12 | Shirik | do people really wash their babies in the sink? |
| 07:04.16 | Shirik | instead of a bathtub? |
| 07:04.18 | Dagmar | I think it's funny to see people occasionally exposing their taste in angry gangster rap |
| 07:04.29 | Dagmar | Shirik: Easier to keep 'em in one place |
| 07:04.37 | Thunder_Child | yes Shirik |
| 07:04.42 | Shirik | I mean, I'm no father |
| 07:04.45 | Corrodias | http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/11/08/fix-vista-unable-or-fail-to-remember-or-save-folder-typesviews-setting-error-by-increasing-bagmru-cache-memory-size/ |
| 07:04.46 | Corrodias | http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/11/08/delete-and-reset-windows-vista-folder-views-or-folder-types-settings-to-default-clean-state/ |
| 07:04.46 | Shirik | but isn't that kinda cruel? |
| 07:04.49 | Corrodias | http://www.mydigitallife.info/2007/11/08/disable-automatic-folder-type-discovery-for-templates-in-vista/ |
| 07:04.52 | Thunder_Child | how so? |
| 07:04.52 | Bruners | Dagmar: angry ganster rap? |
| 07:04.54 | Dagmar | The sink? No. |
| 07:04.59 | industrial | Corrodias wins |
| 07:05.02 | Shirik | I don't know, I don't consider my sink particularly sanitary |
| 07:05.03 | Corrodias | follow those three, industrial, and you should be rid of the folder view difference problem |
| 07:05.03 | nevcairiel | whats it to the baby shirik, its just a small bathtub in their world |
| 07:05.10 | industrial | thanks! |
| 07:05.18 | Corrodias | :D |
| 07:05.19 | Shirik | so much food I've sent down the drain |
| 07:05.22 | Dagmar | Bruners: yeah, tehre's a british dude I know who is ultra conservative, but he pasted a SS once that showed his record collection and right in the middle was some booty-shaking thing |
| 07:05.23 | Shirik | etc. |
| 07:05.25 | Bruners | industrial: the only folder it wont stick on details is the one i have included in the my videos library |
| 07:05.28 | industrial | Shirik: bathroom sink? |
| 07:05.35 | Shirik | I was thinking more kitchen sink |
| 07:05.43 | Shirik | bathroom sink would be too small I think |
| 07:05.44 | Thunder_Child | you wash it out first of couse, though a lot of people simply put a large rectangular container in there |
| 07:05.46 | Shirik | at least mine |
| 07:06.10 | Cairenn | kitchen sink, and you wanna believe we do |
| 07:06.33 | Cairenn | a whole lot easier when they are still so little that they can't even sit up yet |
| 07:06.46 | Shirik | well Cairenn is like a mistress |
| 07:06.49 | Shirik | we would expect it from her |
| 07:06.54 | Thunder_Child | 'like'? |
| 07:07.09 | Shirik | besides, she's canadian |
| 07:07.16 | Dagmar | Which is less of an issue, a kid in a sink where the worst that can happen is they fall slightly over because it's small, or a kid in a tub who can fall, bonk his head, and slide up under the spigot |
| 07:07.34 | Shirik | I guess it makes sense though |
| 07:07.44 | Dagmar | Between the two I'd rather have a small wet, soap-covered child in the sink where I can more easily keep a grip on 'em |
| 07:07.52 | Dagmar | They's slippery! |
| 07:08.08 | Shirik | I.... wouldn't know |
| 07:08.10 | Bruners | Dagmar: analyze my music taste http://lasseb.tihlde.org/img/images/Capture2.JPG |
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| 07:08.43 | Dagmar | Bruners: Now let's say you got caught with N'Sync in there |
| 07:08.56 | Bruners | i have jackson 5! |
| 07:09.22 | Dagmar | Yes, but they were ostensibly for both males and females to listen to |
| 07:09.46 | Arrowmaster | Bruners: Zombie.Strippers.UNRATED.DVDRip.XviD-BULLDOZER? |
| 07:09.53 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 07:09.59 | Shirik | Is that like some python thing? |
| 07:10.04 | Shirik | import Zombie.Strippers; |
| 07:10.05 | Bruners | aha, thats where that went |
| 07:10.06 | Wobin | Shirik, My sister used to use the bathroom sink |
| 07:10.11 | Corrodias | i'll show you my zombie python |
| 07:10.13 | Wobin | til my niece got too big |
| 07:10.23 | Wobin | You're pretty much holding the baby up at all times anyway |
| 07:10.24 | Dagmar | http://dvd.ign.com/articles/919/919317p1.html |
| 07:10.25 | Dagmar | rofl |
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| 07:10.43 | industrial | Corrodias: BRAIIINNSSSSSS? |
| 07:10.46 | Dagmar | A review of said movie |
| 07:10.56 | Thunder_Child | industrial, more like BOOOOOOBSSSSSS |
| 07:10.56 | Dagmar | Apparently, the title says it all |
| 07:11.07 | industrial | pythons like boobs? |
| 07:11.31 | Arrowmaster | wait i think i saw a preview for that and linked in this channel in the past |
| 07:11.35 | Thunder_Child | it's a pound of fat, whats not to like? |
| 07:11.43 | industrial | \:D/ |
| 07:11.50 | tem | I feel like dicking around with prot warrior for a little while |
| 07:12.05 | tem | but not using an heirloom weapon just feels like a mistake waiting to happen |
| 07:12.58 | Shirik | k night |
| 07:13.56 | industrial | Thunder_Child: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7CXRui7p9A |
| 07:14.48 | Bruners | the zomibe strippers thing is so poorly made that i never finished watching it |
| 07:15.14 | Bruners | http://lasseb.tihlde.org/img/images/Capture3.JPG more music to look at |
| 07:16.34 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXNZ4BntQN4&feature=player_embedded |
| 07:17.27 | Wobin | That's awesome =) |
| 07:17.56 | industrial | loool |
| 07:17.57 | Dagmar | Well, at least he doesn't have Quest For The Egg Salad |
| 07:18.33 | Wobin | Ja! |
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| 07:18.37 | Wobin | Is hokey cokey |
| 07:19.46 | Dagmar | Well, at least we know he gets it well enough to know how to make fun of it |
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| 07:21.42 | Dagmar | Flight of the Conchords > Bill Bailey |
| 07:22.13 | Thunder_Child | not a big fan of bill bailey |
| 07:23.01 | Dagmar | FotC will make a parody song that's an entirely original work, and you'll LIKE it for being the type of track it's making a parody of |
| 07:23.18 | Arrowmaster | hmm my sound seems broken again, nothing on youtube |
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| 07:25.50 | Fisker | slaps Thunder_Child around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:26.00 | Thunder_Child | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:26.04 | Bruners | this matrix screensaver in xscreensaver makes urges me to watch matrix again |
| 07:26.38 | Bruners | Fisker: don |
| 07:26.40 | Bruners | t |
| 07:26.50 | Dagmar | It's a good thing they didn't make any more movies like that |
| 07:27.11 | tem | I think you mean it's too bad they didn't make any more |
| 07:27.16 | tem | (than the one) |
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| 07:27.57 | Thunder_Child | the one was an interesting movie |
| 07:28.06 | Dagmar | Jet Li? |
| 07:28.09 | Thunder_Child | si |
| 07:28.13 | Dagmar | Yep. I liked it. |
| 07:28.31 | Dagmar | I'm a big sucker for Jet Li, Jackie Chan, and a couple others in that vein |
| 07:29.32 | Dagmar | Wobin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4zV4pJ8MwM |
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| 07:29.55 | Dagmar | Perfect example. They completely mock Bowie, but at the same time produce a track on par with the work of his they're mocking. |
| 07:30.02 | Dagmar | Bailey's a hack |
| 07:31.13 | Cairenn | Bailey's is yummy! |
| 07:31.24 | Dagmar | darn that English |
| 07:32.41 | Thunder_Child | thats a horrid example Dagmar, they arent singing they are talking in tune |
| 07:32.56 | Dagmar | Have you _heard_ much Bowie? |
| 07:33.10 | Thunder_Child | not that i can remember |
| 07:33.30 | Dagmar | Well, you'll have to take my word for it that they completely pwned his style, several of them actually |
| 07:33.39 | Dagmar | ...which is part of the joke |
| 07:33.47 | Thunder_Child | then i cant say much for bowie |
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| 07:34.11 | Dagmar | He's done a lot of different types of albums, and more than a few are pretty "out there" |
| 07:35.20 | Dagmar | Like, I'm sure you've heard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhSYbRiYwTY |
| 07:36.00 | Dagmar | ...with bits of the *original* video thrown in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D67kmFzSh_o |
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| 07:37.34 | Dagmar | The Conchords are not alone, either. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NisCkxU544c <-- these guys are what happens when you take that kind of talent and add money |
| 07:37.47 | Dagmar | not safe for work |
| 07:48.06 | Bruners | This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions. |
| 07:48.08 | Bruners | fuuuuuu |
| 07:48.31 | Bruners | this is why we cant have nice things |
| 07:48.37 | Dagmar | Pretty much. |
| 07:48.59 | Dagmar | Lawrence Lessig would laugh. |
| 07:52.09 | Bruners | is the paper-clip an norwegian invention? |
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| 07:54.10 | industrial | Anyone here use idQuestAutomation that can confirm that it doesn't work? |
| 07:54.27 | Bruners | it did work pre patch |
| 07:54.44 | jnwhiteh | i need to run the api scan |
| 07:54.50 | jnwhiteh | i can't imagine much has changed, tho |
| 07:56.24 | Bruners | industrial: testing it now, and it accepts quests at least |
| 07:59.31 | industrial | okay, someone on youtube saying it doesnt work :p |
| 07:59.45 | Bruners | link! |
| 08:00.15 | Bruners | and it delivers quests |
| 08:00.41 | industrial | http://www.youtube.com/user/1ndustrial |
| 08:00.41 | industrial | D: |
| 08:03.25 | Wobin | I never quite got into FotC |
| 08:03.29 | Wobin | I prefer Tripod |
| 08:05.39 | Wobin | cause their songs are -clever- |
| 08:05.42 | Wobin | not just weird |
| 08:05.43 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2wJDnyd-ow |
| 08:08.53 | Wobin | ... (and they can sing =)) |
| 08:09.16 | Grum | industrial: you already made a module to pick 'the best loot'? automaticly? ;) |
| 08:10.09 | Bruners | just dont |
| 08:10.45 | Bruners | hi2u epic trinket/ring quests |
| 08:12.12 | Grum | then skip epic items! |
| 08:13.46 | Wobin | also: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGcgWzkKYhY |
| 08:14.51 | olafski | best loot would be nice for that addon |
| 08:15.07 | olafski | some config option to select "best usable" or "highest vendor value" :) |
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| 08:18.28 | Bruners | how would you do that without bloating it into shit? |
| 08:18.49 | Grum | by doing magic! |
| 08:25.45 | olafski | could at least do it so that if there's only one item equippable you take that |
| 08:25.48 | olafski | else still let the user choose |
| 08:25.56 | Wobin | that's not always best choice though |
| 08:26.07 | Wobin | esp in northrend |
| 08:26.23 | olafski | something you can't equip is better? |
| 08:26.32 | Wobin | sometimes you just want to go for the plate reward cause it vendors the best, but other times the item may be good for offspec |
| 08:26.38 | olafski | as I said you could make it configurable to get something for vendors |
| 08:26.43 | olafski | or you could just turn it off |
| 08:26.50 | Wobin | pft |
| 08:26.56 | Wobin | who offers users -choice-? |
| 08:27.03 | Wobin | that way leads to terrible freedom =P |
| 08:27.33 | olafski | true |
| 08:28.10 | olafski | would save a lot of time if you've been 80 for a while but decide to do loremaster or something |
| 08:28.16 | olafski | or just quest for moneys/disenchantables |
| 08:28.24 | industrial | Grum: tekkub has one but it doesnt pick, just shows the most sell value valuable one |
| 08:30.20 | Grum | yeah i know |
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| 08:34.28 | olafski | anyone know if I can summon coren on my lvl 79 toon? |
| 08:36.32 | Codayus | Yes, it requires level 75 |
| 08:36.41 | olafski | awesome |
| 08:36.44 | olafski | hope someone will take me :) |
| 08:36.51 | olafski | some nice starter trinkets there |
| 08:39.50 | Codayus | If you promise to not roll on a mount, you'll have people begging to take you in my experience. Otherwise, it might be more problematic if you don't go with friends or guildmates. |
| 08:40.40 | olafski | ah that can be arranged.. I don't need that mount on an alt :) |
| 08:40.46 | Codayus | Coren is such a trivially easy fight you can do it without a healer, your just there for a summon. :) |
| 08:40.59 | olafski | yeah +) |
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| 09:24.06 | olafski | took about 30 minutes to find a group but I got one.. and one of each trinket which I didn't want ;) |
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| 10:07.22 | Mikk | No, as a healer you're there because the respawn rate is faster than 1 minute, so the "recently bandaged" debuff doesn't have time to come off |
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| 10:22.40 | olafski | :P |
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| 10:25.33 | Lothaer | evening people |
| 10:31.40 | Cruciformer | afternoon all |
| 10:31.46 | olafski | hai |
| 10:32.19 | Cruciformer | <3 the big software giant in Redmond right now |
| 10:32.35 | olafski | :D |
| 10:32.47 | Cruciformer | their support for small businesses and the benefits they give you are absolutely astounding |
| 10:33.32 | Cruciformer | I never thought teh day would come when I'd say I <3 M$ but I really do right now. |
| 10:33.45 | olafski | I've always liked them |
| 10:34.07 | Cruciformer | ive always liked their products, just not the way they do business sometimes, but that was long in the past. |
| 10:34.35 | Cruciformer | but as a UNIX-head and esp working for SCO and then Google I was almost obliged to hate them :) |
| 10:35.35 | olafski | :P |
| 10:35.44 | olafski | I've got some different views on that compared to most people nowadays it seems :< |
| 10:36.30 | Cruciformer | I must be honest, Windows 7 is, for the first time in my opinion, a real OS from MS. I am quite amazed by how good it is in comparison to everything else that has come before it. |
| 10:38.03 | nevcairiel | its true, but i still prefer my small linux |
| 10:38.11 | olafski | I haven't tried windows 7 yet |
| 10:38.24 | olafski | I'm satisfied with vista on my work/gamestation and xp on my 'server' :) |
| 10:38.52 | Cruciformer | nevcairiel: I would have agreed with you up till win7. Its in-memory footprint is pretty damned small |
| 10:39.14 | nevcairiel | My linux uses 300mb of memory right now |
| 10:39.18 | nevcairiel | beat that :P |
| 10:39.55 | Cruciformer | Ok mine is 390. Not far off. |
| 10:40.01 | Cruciformer | You running X or not? |
| 10:40.23 | nevcairiel | Of course X, and some apps too, would be an unfair comparison otherwise ;) |
| 10:40.39 | Cruciformer | and when I say X I mean X with full compositing, etc, not just a bare-bones VGA X :) |
| 10:40.53 | nevcairiel | i don't like compositing |
| 10:41.00 | olafski | 1400mb here ;) |
| 10:41.02 | nevcairiel | but i use a window manager and all |
| 10:41.26 | Cruciformer | still in comparison to previous incantations 390mb isnt much |
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| 10:41.47 | nevcairiel | I have win7 in dual boot, when i start it, it is at ~30% mem usage |
| 10:42.01 | nevcairiel | 30% of 4GB is higher then 300mb |
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| 10:42.16 | Cruciformer | well you cant include the cache sizes in that (on either OS) |
| 10:42.31 | nevcairiel | its not |
| 10:42.57 | nevcairiel | its still alot better then what vista used in memory |
| 10:43.08 | nevcairiel | but i like my simple Xfce desktop :) |
| 10:43.11 | nevcairiel | also, FOSS ftw |
| 10:43.57 | Cruciformer | I like the fact that win7 recofnised my Adaptec RAID card right at boot time and with an unattended.xml file I was able to locate my users folder on my raid5 D: drive right from install time, no moving and dicking with teh registry. |
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| 10:44.57 | Cruciformer | that's one thing that has always pissed me off about windows was how they treat your users directory as "special". |
| 10:45.18 | Cruciformer | Nothing as simple as moving /home to /home2 and putting a bigger, backed-up drive on /home |
| 10:47.28 | Cruciformer | In fact moving your users folder on windows is such a pain in the arse I am considering writing a tool for it that will deal with all of the registry crap, the junction points etc. |
| 10:48.01 | nevcairiel | I was meaning to move my /home onto a raid1 |
| 10:48.02 | olafski | it's a pain? hmm never tried it |
| 10:48.16 | Cruciformer | olafski: It is a HUGE pain. |
| 10:48.27 | olafski | at least moving your documents folder is easy ;) |
| 10:48.36 | olafski | that's pretty much all I need to move anywya |
| 10:48.49 | nevcairiel | On Win7 you have so many nice automagic folders |
| 10:48.53 | Cruciformer | yup. But that leaves behind your hidden appdata folder, which is where a ton of apps store their config stuff. |
| 10:48.57 | nevcairiel | if you want to move those all, its a bit tricky :p |
| 10:50.40 | Cruciformer | for example its where mozilla and thunderbird store their crap, so simply moving your documents folder wont save your email from disaster if you POP your mail |
| 10:50.52 | Cruciformer | thats why I like to have my users folder on my raid5 array |
| 10:50.58 | olafski | ah, I use windows mail :) |
| 10:51.10 | olafski | and have it set to store it in my documents folder |
| 10:51.12 | Cruciformer | my condolences :) |
| 10:51.30 | Cruciformer | get virused much? :P |
| 10:51.30 | nevcairiel | starting with thunderbird3, it stores stuff in documents as well |
| 10:51.34 | nevcairiel | that was a nice change :p |
| 10:51.55 | nevcairiel | or was that outlook 2010 that i saw that doing? |
| 10:51.59 | nevcairiel | is confused |
| 10:52.00 | Cruciformer | when is tbird3 coming out? |
| 10:52.06 | olafski | I don't believe I get virused much no |
| 10:52.20 | olafski | ever since I started on my masters thesis I get about 5 spam emails a day but windows mail filters those out nicely |
| 10:54.08 | nevcairiel | I barely get any spam through my server side filters |
| 10:54.15 | nevcairiel | i finally managed to tune them "just right" |
| 10:54.44 | nevcairiel | maybe 1-2 a week now |
| 10:55.23 | Cruciformer | whatever it is that thunderbird does to "learn" what I think is spam is amazing. I have only had about 5 false negatives in 2 years. |
| 10:59.24 | olafski | yeah same here nevcairiel, but I don't trust it enough to actually delete the spam instead of move it to the spam folder |
| 10:59.36 | olafski | what's amazing is that this spam started when I started my masters thesis though |
| 10:59.47 | olafski | it's as if one of my (computer science!) supervisors has trouble keeping his computer safe |
| 11:00.17 | Cruciformer | computer 'scientists" are often pretty clueless about "computer usage" |
| 11:00.32 | haste | I barely get spam on gmail! |
| 11:00.32 | olafski | yeah seems that way |
| 11:00.35 | haste | at least in my inbox :p |
| 11:00.41 | olafski | luckily it's my student email |
| 11:00.46 | olafski | so I'll just close that down when I'm done here |
| 11:00.48 | haste | like 1 or so per month |
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| 11:01.07 | Cruciformer | whats your thesis on? |
| 11:01.09 | haste | probably less |
| 11:01.23 | Cruciformer | haste: agreed. its spam filter is pretty solid. |
| 11:01.34 | olafski | basically graph transformations |
| 11:01.43 | olafski | I'm adding some features to a tool already developed here |
| 11:01.59 | haste | I get chinese spam on my gmail tho' D: |
| 11:02.19 | Cruciformer | bit considering half of the gmail team are chinese :) |
| 11:02.27 | Cruciformer | *bit odd |
| 11:03.25 | Cruciformer | anyone here ever actually built google chrome on windows? |
| 11:04.20 | Cruciformer | Im thinking of getting involved to solve the stupid download issues it has |
| 11:06.49 | haste | yes, and the chrome SVN repo is only... huge |
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| 11:07.19 | wack | Hi, y does curseforge.com say "This project has no files!" ? But I can't upload a file cause i already uploaded a file? :) |
| 11:07.50 | haste | it's curseforge, head over to #curseforge or #wowace or whatever they use :p |
| 11:08.31 | wack | already done, but thanks ;] |
| 11:08.57 | haste | you'll probably not get a faster answer about it here |
| 11:10.48 | wack | ok another question :) .... is there a "wow-lua-standallone - compilier" ? |
| 11:11.02 | olafski | compiler? isn't lua interpreted :< |
| 11:11.31 | nevcairiel | well its compiled into lua bytecode, then thats interpreted |
| 11:11.56 | olafski | oh :< silly me |
| 11:12.05 | olafski | more like java than like javascript then, I didn't know that |
| 11:12.46 | nevcairiel | well the compilation is done on the fly, like php, you usually don't ship around precompiled files |
| 11:13.31 | olafski | ok, thanks for clearing that up :) |
| 11:13.34 | wack | hm a syntax-check will do it for me |
| 11:13.36 | wack | ^^ |
| 11:13.48 | olafski | I'm sure eclipse has something that will syntax-check lua for you |
| 11:14.02 | olafski | ultraedit has syntax hilighting for it.. and kate probably does too |
| 11:14.19 | wack | ok ty, lets google it, hope its freeware |
| 11:14.43 | olafski | kate is opensource yes ;) |
| 11:14.47 | olafski | eclipse too, ultraedit is not |
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| 11:21.54 | Fisker | iso haste |
| 11:21.56 | Fisker | so haste |
| 11:22.02 | Fisker | google wave tiems? |
| 11:23.21 | Kalroth | kick the fisker tiems?! |
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| 11:24.02 | haste | Fisker: do not have |
| 11:38.56 | Fisker | slaps Kalroth around a bit with a large trout |
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| 11:43.55 | Fisker | this is why we can't have nice things haste |
| 11:44.11 | Fisker | http://ekstrabladet.dk/nyheder/article1231295.ece |
| 11:44.22 | Fisker | Sagen har også fået sindene i kog på Christiansborg, hvor SF's Pernille Vigsø Bagge vil have en forklaring fra justitsminister Lene Espersen på, hvordan sådan en hjemmeside kan være lovlig. |
| 11:46.39 | Hjalte | The webpage doesn't work Fisker |
| 11:47.58 | Fisker | Probably deleted it so they can write an article about how internet superheroes they were |
| 11:48.18 | Fisker | "omg we banned something totally legal, and may even get it illegalized, go us!" |
| 11:49.41 | Zyn | "Skideballe til flyselskab" |
| 11:49.46 | Zyn | do ho ho ho, "balle" |
| 11:52.50 | foxlit | Fisker: tpb again? |
| 11:58.56 | Zyn | seems related to http://ekstrabladet.dk/nyheder/samfund/article1231295.ece |
| 12:00.52 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 12:01.18 | Fisker | which is the same site |
| 12:01.21 | Fisker | they just put it back up |
| 12:02.16 | mikma | ~wowalert |
| 12:02.17 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 12:03.56 | Zyn | since you're closer Fisker , why dont you pack a truck full of explosives and drive right into the EU parliament |
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| 12:06.08 | Fisker | true |
| 12:06.09 | Fisker | will do |
| 12:07.27 | Zyn | "hey guys, lets make internet into a cable-tv like system where you will have to pay to visit websites and also give us power to shut down your connection without trial :D" |
| 12:07.55 | Grum | Zyn: good idea! i want it! |
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| 12:09.21 | olafski | ping ackis: nice game selection on your live profile :P |
| 12:12.46 | Fisker | ;3 Zyn |
| 12:17.22 | Fisker | but Zyn |
| 12:17.28 | Fisker | i could also tell you i'm killing Obama |
| 12:17.36 | Fisker | Not that i am, mr. federal agent |
| 12:17.39 | Fisker | but i could |
| 12:17.39 | Fisker | :o |
| 12:17.41 | Zyn | I dont mind |
| 12:17.42 | Fisker | tell you |
| 12:17.43 | Fisker | that is |
| 12:17.54 | Fisker | unplugs his internet |
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| 12:18.17 | Fisker | brb 2 guys with sunglasses and in trenchcoats are knocking on my door |
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| 12:36.46 | alestane | "how does i lua?" |
| 12:38.21 | foxlit | /point at Short(), Percent(), VeryShort() functions :/ |
| 12:39.50 | haste | alestane: you put it on your head obviously! |
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| 12:52.48 | industrial | alestane: how do i shot web |
| 12:54.31 | Wobin | yay |
| 12:54.34 | Wobin | ony10 down |
| 12:55.02 | Wobin | except I ress'd into a cleave =( |
| 12:55.04 | Wobin | damn her |
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| 13:07.41 | mikma | wobin: we did her 25man couple of days ago :) |
| 13:08.00 | Wobin | I tried that in a mostlypug |
| 13:08.14 | mikma | we had 12 from guild, rest were pugs |
| 13:08.17 | Wobin | we kept bombing out in phase 2 due to not enough dps on ony |
| 13:08.23 | Wobin | yeah same |
| 13:08.32 | mikma | i got da head from her and my epic achievement with that trinket |
| 13:08.49 | Wobin | does the head give any good reward? |
| 13:08.58 | mikma | not for kd |
| 13:09.00 | mikma | dk* |
| 13:09.07 | mikma | except the trinket *MIGHT* be cool |
| 13:09.43 | mikma | if you're ok with sta, it's pretty awesome |
| 13:10.10 | Fisker | hey Wobin |
| 13:10.13 | Fisker | i got this great idea |
| 13:11.11 | foxlit | Wobin: but there's no enrage? |
| 13:11.22 | Wobin | enrage == too many adds |
| 13:11.27 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 13:11.32 | foxlit | Okay, that's pretty bad. |
| 13:11.37 | Fisker | you're holding me back :( |
| 13:11.59 | foxlit | But that's "not enough dps on adds" :) |
| 13:12.01 | Wobin | or rather, the 'enrage' is that she's in the air too long, picking us off, and too many of the guardians are killing the melee |
| 13:12.12 | Wobin | yeah |
| 13:12.17 | Wobin | not enough dps on Onyxia |
| 13:12.31 | Wobin | I think we were particularly melee heavy |
| 13:12.32 | Lopeppeppy | Moar dots |
| 13:12.39 | Wobin | and we were all learning the encounter |
| 13:12.49 | foxlit | It doesn't matter; you should be able to hold the flying phase indefinitely. |
| 13:12.54 | Wobin | the nice thing about Onyxia, is you don't get locked to the instance til you kill her |
| 13:12.57 | foxlit | Unless people fail with fires and things. |
| 13:13.02 | Wobin | foxlit, er yes |
| 13:13.13 | Wobin | if people don't fail with fire and things, she comes down fairly fast |
| 13:13.21 | Wobin | but if everyone is learning... people die lots =P |
| 13:13.25 | Wobin | especially to deep breath |
| 13:14.02 | foxlit | It's a very silly thing to fail to. |
| 13:14.07 | Wobin | =\ |
| 13:14.13 | Wobin | there were 5 healers |
| 13:14.28 | Wobin | and I was doing around 30% of the total healing |
| 13:15.11 | Wobin | foxlit, we even had a saying "Don't Be a Tail Fail!" =) |
| 13:15.25 | Lopeppeppy | Mind the tail! |
| 13:15.52 | Wobin | it was more people dying to unexpected occurances |
| 13:16.00 | Wobin | like on the initial pull getting cleaved >< |
| 13:16.07 | Wobin | or the guardian aoe being too close |
| 13:16.29 | foxlit | The guardian aoe probably needs a slight nerf. |
| 13:16.36 | foxlit | Perhaps a cast time or something. |
| 13:16.37 | Wobin | I got wiped out a few times that way when the tank wandered a bit too close at times |
| 13:16.45 | Wobin | it does have one |
| 13:16.53 | foxlit | So melee shouldn't be taking it. |
| 13:17.36 | foxlit | wheh, 5 seconds. |
| 13:17.53 | foxlit | Plenty of time to get out of there. :) |
| 13:17.55 | Wobin | yes, in a perfect world =P |
| 13:18.02 | foxlit | [Of course, I'm biased -- hots are exceptionally mobile] |
| 13:18.07 | Wobin | except when you have two up |
| 13:18.48 | Wobin | also Ignite Weapon |
| 13:18.57 | Wobin | which does aoe damage on their melee attacks |
| 13:19.15 | foxlit | Again, 5 yards of the tank. |
| 13:19.32 | Wobin | again two mobs =P |
| 13:19.32 | foxlit | Just DPS their tail. |
| 13:19.39 | Wobin | yes yes |
| 13:19.41 | Wobin | easy to say =P |
| 13:19.58 | Wobin | cause, like, that's all you have to worry about, right? |
| 13:20.13 | Wobin | PS, a healer is getting eaten by whelps over there |
| 13:20.16 | Wobin | and over there too |
| 13:20.28 | Wobin | while the deep breath is right in front of you |
| 13:20.42 | foxlit | concerns of different people. |
| 13:21.02 | Fisker | i didn't kill my wife |
| 13:21.03 | Fisker | ish |
| 13:21.11 | Wobin | unfortunately, you cannot maintain air phase indefinitely |
| 13:21.18 | Wobin | because the number of guardians will soon overwhelm the tanks |
| 13:21.37 | Wobin | and it's not easy to tank more than two of those at a time |
| 13:21.42 | Wobin | nor is it easy to heal through |
| 13:21.46 | foxlit | You're supposed to kill the guardian before the next one appears. |
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| 13:22.01 | Wobin | your point? |
| 13:22.13 | Wobin | if onyxia is indefinitely in the air |
| 13:22.19 | Wobin | you clearly have not enough dps to bring her down |
| 13:22.48 | foxlit | Wobin: my point is that a single dot recast by one of the healers will do the trick. |
| 13:22.50 | Wobin | and thus, you do not have enough dps to kill the guardians -and- the whelps |
| 13:23.02 | foxlit | It's not a matter of getting her down before you're overwhelmed. |
| 13:23.06 | Lopeppeppy | She's not a cakewalk. That's good. |
| 13:23.11 | foxlit | It's a matter of not being overwhelmed on a per cycle basis :) |
| 13:23.12 | Wobin | She's not a cakewalk =P |
| 13:23.30 | Wobin | of course |
| 13:23.34 | Wobin | when that single dot brings her down |
| 13:23.45 | Wobin | You now have 15 guardians, and twenty million whelps |
| 13:23.49 | Wobin | -and- Onyxia |
| 13:23.51 | Wobin | fearing =P |
| 13:23.56 | foxlit | No, you don't. |
| 13:24.05 | Wobin | Why, cause they all fall over dead when she lands? |
| 13:24.14 | foxlit | If you end up with more than one guardian, your DPS on the adds fails, not your DPS on onyxia. |
| 13:24.24 | Wobin | not so |
| 13:24.31 | Wobin | I've noticed two or three adds summoned |
| 13:24.33 | Wobin | at a time |
| 13:24.42 | Wobin | whether that's a bug or not, it doesn't help at all |
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| 13:25.58 | Wobin | in any case, there's no way you can do phase two for any long period of time without attrition |
| 13:26.11 | Wobin | especially since she's splitting the raid up in all sorts of directions with deep breath |
| 13:26.20 | Wobin | and the fact that you don't want to get too close to the tanks |
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| 13:26.50 | Lopeppeppy | Ony was always about some attrition, IIRC |
| 13:26.54 | Wobin | Saying "All you need is a single healer's dot to bring her down" is patently ridiculous |
| 13:27.07 | Wobin | Sure. In a world where -nothing else happens- |
| 13:27.17 | foxlit | There's an implicit "and the rest of the raid knowing what they're doing" |
| 13:27.25 | foxlit | "and doing it well." |
| 13:27.34 | Wobin | if the rest of the raid knows what they're doing, and doing it well, phase two doesn't last long at all |
| 13:27.45 | foxlit | That depends. |
| 13:27.54 | Wobin | and why the hell would you want to draw out phase two if your raid was so uber? |
| 13:27.54 | foxlit | Perhaps you have an excellent, but low-dps raid. |
| 13:28.05 | Wobin | then you'll fail on the guardians |
| 13:28.26 | Wobin | becuase if you can't kill them fast enough, they'll overwhelm the tanks |
| 13:28.30 | Wobin | no -matter- how good your healers are |
| 13:28.46 | Wobin | meanwhile, the whelps eat all your healers |
| 13:29.03 | foxlit | You're conflating multiple issues that have nothing to do with each other. |
| 13:29.18 | foxlit | You can kill all the guardians on time, but have little DPS left for Onyxia. |
| 13:29.20 | Wobin | Oh sorry. I thought we were talking about a raid =P |
| 13:29.30 | Wobin | Where lots of stuff happens at once =P |
| 13:29.51 | foxlit | Now, I suppose your strategy could be "Hey, let's all dps onyxia fast before the adds eat us", but that's not sustainable if your dps sucks. "Hey, let's kill the adds fast" is, however. |
| 13:29.54 | Wobin | And you -will- lose people to deep breath |
| 13:30.29 | Wobin | because due to the relatively random positioning she does for it, there's no way everyone in the raid can avoid it forever |
| 13:30.31 | foxlit | The whelps eating your healers is a matter of getting whelp tanks that do not suck. |
| 13:30.41 | foxlit | People dying in deep breath should never happen. Period. There's plenty of time. |
| 13:31.14 | Lopeppeppy | This is true. Hard, but true. Every fight has been about "move your feet, and be aware of what you're moving into" |
| 13:31.14 | Wobin | In any case |
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| 13:31.21 | Wobin | Onyxia is no cakewalk =P |
| 13:32.24 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, she's always been complex. It's just that she got easier when we were all level 70 and her damage didn't scale. Now it does again. :) |
| 13:32.54 | Wobin | God, I'm sick of people going "But... but I SOLOED HER A FEW WEEKS AGO!!!!!1!" |
| 13:33.14 | olafski | :D |
| 13:33.28 | foxlit | Incidentally, I soloed her a few weeks ago :) |
| 13:33.28 | Wobin | anyway. Is it intended that melee can't hit her when she's airborne? |
| 13:33.39 | Wobin | foxlit, yeah, well I don't give a shit =) |
| 13:33.43 | Lopeppeppy | I thought so, wobin. |
| 13:33.43 | Wobin | Go do it now and come back |
| 13:33.49 | foxlit | Lies, you're just jealous you weren't there :) |
| 13:34.01 | Wobin | pft |
| 13:34.07 | Wobin | I was doing more important things |
| 13:34.10 | Wobin | like vacuuming my fish |
| 13:34.34 | olafski | melee can't hit her while airborne anymore? |
| 13:34.42 | Wobin | olafski, so they tell me |
| 13:34.48 | olafski | they used to be able to do that |
| 13:34.50 | Wobin | yeah |
| 13:34.52 | foxlit | Meh, she's always had a small hitbox while airborne. |
| 13:34.55 | olafski | it's how I solo'd her a couple of weeks ago ;) |
| 13:35.04 | Wobin | which is why if you don't have enough ranged, you won't be able to bring her down fast |
| 13:35.41 | Wobin | foxlit, she's got such a fat arse when grounded though =P |
| 13:35.57 | Wobin | perhaps flight is slimming |
| 13:37.18 | Wobin | I was totally hugging my tremor totem in phase three though |
| 13:37.22 | Wobin | best invention ever |
| 13:37.51 | Lopeppeppy | as a rogue I used to stand just on the toes of her back foot, never caught tail, could still backstab her. |
| 13:38.24 | Wobin | We had a mage that blinked into her cleave on the initial pull =) |
| 13:38.25 | foxlit | The fun thing is, that fear used to be fatal. |
| 13:38.29 | foxlit | They nerfed it to shreds. |
| 13:38.33 | Wobin | they really did |
| 13:38.48 | foxlit | You no longer care if you catch the lava erruptions, because they deal peanuts for damage. |
| 13:38.59 | foxlit | And the tank no longer loses threat, so she doesn't flame breath random people. |
| 13:39.02 | Wobin | I did get killed though by it |
| 13:39.08 | Wobin | cause she followed the tank |
| 13:39.13 | Wobin | and I got caught in cleave |
| 13:39.30 | Wobin | Then I ankhed into another cleave =( |
| 13:39.37 | foxlit | Standing too close to the tank is never a good idea. |
| 13:39.47 | Wobin | Not my fault the tank liked me =( |
| 13:39.59 | Lopeppeppy | You're supposed to avoid him, not the other way around. |
| 13:39.59 | Wobin | "Panic! Quick, run to Snuu!" =P |
| 13:40.18 | foxlit | (It's a reflex: step away from the tank. If my lack of healing kills him, I'll have time to shadowmeld) |
| 13:40.24 | Wobin | when we're both feared, it's a bit unfortunate |
| 13:40.51 | Wobin | also, she wasn't in my party, therefore wasn't in my tremor totem =( |
| 13:42.03 | Lopeppeppy | Ony at 60 had no tremor totems, remember? |
| 13:42.16 | Lopeppeppy | well, for alliance at least. |
| 13:42.19 | Kalroth | Onyxia used to be hard, now she's just a flying loot container :( |
| 13:42.30 | Lopeppeppy | Loot pinata! |
| 13:43.05 | Wobin | pft |
| 13:43.09 | Wobin | Join the Horde =) |
| 13:43.46 | Wobin | http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/?p=4414 |
| 13:43.48 | Wobin | O.O |
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| 13:48.18 | Lopeppeppy | is that hair dyed, or a headband? |
| 13:48.34 | Wobin | I think it's dyed |
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| 13:49.20 | Lopeppeppy | Whee. |
| 14:01.04 | Wobin | omg |
| 14:01.13 | Wobin | I just went through all 48 pages |
| 14:01.20 | Wobin | it's terribly mesmerising |
| 14:01.21 | Lopeppeppy | scarytastic things to be seen. |
| 14:02.14 | Ackis | pokes a hole in wobin |
| 14:02.38 | Wobin | ow |
| 14:03.39 | Ackis | you shouldn't be worried about with ow, you should be worried with what I poked you with! |
| 14:03.53 | Wobin | =( |
| 14:03.54 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 14:04.08 | Wobin | is it bigger than a breadbox? |
| 14:04.38 | Lopeppeppy | can't be, or you'd have to worry abut the ow |
| 14:06.04 | Wobin | good point. Small enough not to hurt |
| 14:06.41 | Lopeppeppy | *psssst* Now zing him back! |
| 14:07.19 | Ackis | http://www.fmylife.com/miscellaneous/5486035 |
| 14:13.59 | Ackis | http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs005.snc1/2815_74824026685_512851685_1816868_4577942_n.jpg <-- almost dead hamster in my hand! :D |
| 14:14.47 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:14.50 | Fisker | you |
| 14:15.47 | Ackis | so Kaelten's package he sent me arrived yesterday. My gf opens it up and on top are a couple baby toys. I was punked by him and his daughter. |
| 14:16.28 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:16.32 | Fisker | still you |
| 14:16.39 | Ackis | anyways my dog "stole" one of them because I guess he needed something to nap with: http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs238.snc1/8518_144065091685_512851685_2786889_5295683_n.jpg |
| 14:16.54 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 14:17.16 | nicoli_s | i hope you are happy, we had to wait at the post office for a half hour while he waited to send it |
| 14:17.25 | nicoli_s | so my work being less productive is your fault! |
| 14:17.31 | Ackis | lol |
| 14:17.41 | Ackis | happy is an understatement |
| 14:17.51 | Fisker | nicoli_s |
| 14:17.56 | Lopeppeppy | why do you have a dead hamster? |
| 14:18.00 | Fisker | tell Ackis i said hello :( |
| 14:18.15 | Ackis | however I was talking to the gf, and the box is big enough to hold at least 2 cats, so I was thinking of counter-punking him :D |
| 14:18.31 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: that was the second last hamster we had, she was in a death coma when we found her |
| 14:18.35 | Ackis | says hello to Fisker |
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| 14:21.24 | Wobin | Ackis, Bobcat |
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| 14:27.51 | Tarnovo | Helloooooo |
| 14:28.06 | Lopeppeppy | hi hi |
| 14:28.26 | Tarnovo | I'm just gunna go ahead and ask something. |
| 14:28.40 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, do. |
| 14:28.41 | Tarnovo | Is there an alternative to Lua's "select" function? |
| 14:28.54 | Seerah | good. cause asking if you can ask something would just get you a "just ask" response ;) |
| 14:29.11 | Seerah | _,_,var = MyFunc() |
| 14:29.26 | Seerah | throw away variables |
| 14:29.49 | Tarnovo | I've tried something like this: print(select(1, 0, GetAchievementCriteriaInfo(1206, I))); but it prints everything AFTER the index too which isnt what i want =( |
| 14:30.10 | nevcairiel | add an extra set of ( ) around the function |
| 14:30.17 | Tarnovo | ahh, i'll give it a go Seerah |
| 14:30.24 | Seerah | it's actually somewhat better to use them than select because it cuts out an extra function call |
| 14:30.29 | nevcairiel | lua> f = function() return 1, 2, 3 end; return f() |
| 14:30.30 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 1, 2, 3 |
| 14:30.32 | nevcairiel | lua> f = function() return 1, 2, 3 end; return (f()) |
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| 14:30.33 | lua_bot | nevcairiel: 1 |
| 14:30.37 | nevcairiel | see what i did there :P |
| 14:30.48 | Seerah | and if all you want is the first return, then just give it a variable. select() returns the arg you want PLUS everything after (as you've found) |
| 14:31.10 | Ackis | Seerah: local the _ otherwise stuff blows up |
| 14:31.19 | alestane | select(1, ...) is in fact nothing but a waste of a function call. |
| 14:31.23 | Ackis | made _ a global variable once. It was bad |
| 14:31.26 | mikma | http://thisiswhyyourefat.com/ |
| 14:31.32 | nevcairiel | why would it be bad? |
| 14:31.38 | nevcairiel | lots of addons leak _ by accident |
| 14:31.38 | Seerah | Ackis: who would use _ as a real var? |
| 14:31.53 | Seerah | I mean by actually referencing it |
| 14:31.54 | Ackis | Seerah: not sure but I had multiple complaints that it was causing issues with other addons |
| 14:31.56 | nevcairiel | its certainly not good to leak a global, but i dont see it breaking up |
| 14:32.02 | Pneumatus | heh, /dump _G._ == 0 |
| 14:32.04 | nevcairiel | er, blowing up :P |
| 14:32.47 | mikma | http://mikma.eu/wow/WoWScrnShot_093009_170504.jpg <- i call that as a good timing |
| 14:32.51 | Seerah | anyway, I always do, and doing local _,varIwant = somefunc() would make it local anyway :P |
| 14:35.34 | Ackis | cool the spectral tiger cub is only going to be the rare loot and not the super rare one |
| 14:36.25 | Stanzilla | bugged mikma :p |
| 14:36.31 | mikma | stanzilla: nope, it wasn't :) |
| 14:36.46 | Stanzilla | the badges are achievements are bugged atm |
| 14:36.58 | Stanzilla | -are |
| 14:37.13 | mikma | oh well, good |
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| 15:13.57 | ZorbaBeta | mikma, a friend and I got Greedy simultaneously. We were surprised. It turns out that you don't actually need to win the item, merely tie with the highest roll. |
| 15:15.10 | mikma | zorbabeta: that's neat |
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| 15:24.16 | Wobin | ZorbaBeta, doesn't the achievement indicate that you just need to roll 100 on a item of ilvl +(somethingorother)? |
| 15:24.25 | Wobin | regardless of if you win or not |
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| 15:25.07 | kdtresh | i believe it says "win an item... with a roll of 100" |
| 15:25.08 | Wobin | oh hm, the criteria states it, but the description is a little more imprecise |
| 15:25.13 | Wobin | Win a greed roll on a superior or better item above level 185 by rolling 100. |
| 15:25.17 | Wobin | Criteria |
| 15:25.18 | Wobin | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.18 | Wobin | Roll greed and get exactly 100 on an item over level 185. |
| 15:25.39 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, the "win" part is completely unnecessary |
| 15:25.55 | MentalPower | not really, two of you could roll 100 |
| 15:26.07 | ZorbaBeta | mental, yes, that's my point - if that happens, you both get it. |
| 15:26.18 | ZorbaBeta | the "criteria" is correct, the description isn't |
| 15:26.19 | MentalPower | I *think* both of you would get the achievement, but not the item |
| 15:26.29 | ZorbaBeta | yes, both of you get it, it happened to me ;) scroll up like half a page :) |
| 15:26.37 | Wobin | PS, has anyone found where the panderan minipet comes from? |
| 15:26.53 | Fisker | i love you Wobin |
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| 15:27.08 | MentalPower | ZorbaBeta: ah, good to know |
| 15:27.16 | MentalPower | who won the item tho? :) |
| 15:27.32 | ZorbaBeta | I think I did, though I don't remember |
| 15:27.39 | ZorbaBeta | it was something neither of us could use, so |
| 15:27.39 | kdtresh | now you can have a roll-off, since you can trade BoP stuff for 2 hrs |
| 15:27.41 | Wobin | hehe |
| 15:27.53 | Wobin | Mikk has a comment on wowhead with exactly the above |
| 15:28.22 | Wobin | kdtresh, yeah, on guild runs, everyone rolls need now to get the achievement |
| 15:28.31 | Wobin | and we trade the item afterwards if anyone wants it |
| 15:28.48 | Mikk | i somehow have needy on 2 toons and greedy on 3 |
| 15:28.55 | ZorbaBeta | I wonder what they're gonna do in Wrath |
| 15:28.56 | Mikk | without even purposefully needing to get the achievement |
| 15:29.04 | Mikk | my guildies say i have loaded dice =/ |
| 15:29.26 | MentalPower | can I borrow those dice? |
| 15:29.46 | ZorbaBeta | turn it into a non-gettable feat of strength, add a new achievement? add a new achievement without feat of strength? make the achievement higher ilvl with no other changes? |
| 15:29.47 | Mikk | if you change your facebook picture |
| 15:29.48 | Mikk | ! |
| 15:30.02 | MentalPower | what do you have against my FB pic? |
| 15:30.09 | MentalPower | its better than the last one |
| 15:30.13 | Mikk | you look like steve urkel innit! |
| 15:30.26 | MentalPower | its better than the last one |
| 15:30.42 | Mikk | it's worse than any other picture you have in your albums! i checked! =) |
| 15:31.10 | Lopeppeppy | I don't have a facebook picture. I have an icon. |
| 15:31.32 | MentalPower | that might be true, but its the only one where you can clearly see the blizzcon cap |
| 15:32.40 | Mikk | haha |
| 15:32.55 | Mikk | i have to admit i was too distracted to even notice that >.< |
| 15:33.59 | zenzelezz | I'm (for once) happy with my current profile picture; http://zenzelezz.net/images/displaypicture.jpg |
| 15:34.45 | Lunessa | http://graphjam.com/2009/09/29/song-chart-memes-butt-big/ |
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| 15:36.05 | Lunessa | MentalPower doesn't look like Steve Urkel - seriously. |
| 15:36.15 | nicoli_s | i need to get a new profile picture now that my hair is like 2 feet shorter |
| 15:36.34 | nicoli_s | you cant tell im a hippie from 500 feet away anymore! |
| 15:36.36 | Tarnovo | is there any way to use the WoW APi to get the names of mobs in the vacinity of the player? |
| 15:36.58 | Wobin | nicoli_s, you could wear a sign |
| 15:37.00 | MentalPower | you can't target, so the answer is no |
| 15:37.03 | Adys | Tarnovo: no |
| 15:37.19 | nicoli_s | lol, wobin: the point is to not look like a hippie from afar |
| 15:37.47 | nicoli_s | since people be judgemental and shit |
| 15:38.00 | MentalPower | Lunessa: thanks :) |
| 15:38.01 | Wobin | Sure, the sign could say "Not A Hippy"! =) |
| 15:38.18 | nicoli_s | thats an even better idea, ill get dreads and see if it works |
| 15:38.26 | Wobin | Or you could do your hair in a classic 80's side ponytail |
| 15:38.37 | nicoli_s | oh god no |
| 15:38.42 | Lopeppeppy | dreds are just what happens when bugs die on your head and you let them rot. |
| 15:38.48 | Wobin | noone would guess that you were a hippy then! =) |
| 15:39.27 | nicoli_s | Lopeppeppy: if you do dreads right they dont have to be nasty |
| 15:39.46 | nicoli_s | just letting them get disgusting and stick together is the lazy way |
| 15:39.48 | Lunessa | Ice cream soothes sore throats wonderfully. It's about the only good part of being ill. |
| 15:40.03 | nicoli_s | you are supposed to be cleaning them by hand every day, and coating them with oil and shit to seal them up |
| 15:40.05 | Wobin | ugh, my mind merged the last two comments together |
| 15:40.07 | Lopeppeppy | I'm so sorry you're not feeling well, Lunessa. *hug* |
| 15:40.18 | Wobin | to "Just letting them get disgusting is the only good part of being ill" |
| 15:40.22 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 15:40.38 | Lunessa | Day 5 Lopeppeppy. I want this nightmare to be over! |
| 15:40.57 | Lopeppeppy | 2 more of recovery are predicted. Are you staying home? |
| 15:41.02 | zenzelezz | banish the elementals |
| 15:42.07 | Lunessa | Peppy - Yes. I've left my apartment twice since Friday. One to see a doctor and once to restock on ice cream and fluids. |
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| 15:46.10 | Lopeppeppy | Still wish I could bring you soup. |
| 15:46.21 | Lunessa | Mmmm... Soup. |
| 15:46.55 | Lopeppeppy | I hate living in EBFNowhere. |
| 15:47.17 | Fisker | hitlers Wobin |
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| 15:47.41 | zenzelezz | EBF? |
| 15:47.57 | Lunessa | East Bum-Fuck |
| 15:49.22 | ZorbaBeta | anyone know of a UI mod that tracks the Rested state of your alts? |
| 15:49.40 | Wobin | Fisker, Ja das Hokey Cokey |
| 15:49.55 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXNZ4BntQN4 |
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| 15:50.27 | Lunessa | ZorbaBeta: Altoholic will do that as one of it's many, many features. |
| 15:50.27 | ZorbaBeta | excellent, thanks |
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| 16:10.18 | Ackis | ZorbaBeta: fubar rest fu |
| 16:19.17 | Fisker | teeheeehehehe |
| 16:19.22 | Fisker | farts Ackis in the face |
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| 16:30.23 | Fisker | slaps Ackis around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:31.59 | Adys | Anyone good with imagemagick? |
| 16:36.51 | Lopeppeppy | what is imagemagick? |
| 16:36.55 | Fisker | some kind of image editing library or some such shit |
| 16:37.19 | nevcairiel | commandline image processing tools, more or less |
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| 16:43.44 | Lunessa_ | Forgot to log out of IRC before firing up VPN. Ooops. |
| 16:45.01 | nicoli_s | adys, i've used it a little before |
| 16:45.12 | nicoli_s | pretty sure ckknight is pretty handy with it |
| 16:45.26 | Lunessa_ | Lopeppeppy: that library is what a lot of apps use to add those little "image editing" features - stuff like e-mail clients, and other packages which don't need full image editing tools but enough to let users crop, rotate, fix red-eye, etc. |
| 16:46.33 | Adys | nicoli_s: you know how to thumbnail an image of any size to a 300x300 (centered)? |
| 16:49.49 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. I just use photoshop... |
| 16:52.05 | zenzelezz | Adys: using it from where - PHP? |
| 16:53.32 | zenzelezz | actually, nevermind, apparently I used GD functions |
| 16:54.13 | Adys | shell |
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| 17:01.07 | Adys | http://www.questionablecontent.net/comics/1503.png |
| 17:01.19 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/200862029 |
| 17:01.48 | Lopeppeppy | Official Bliz YouTube! http://www.youtube.com/blizzard |
| 17:02.18 | nevcairiel | Adys, convert in.png -thumbnail 300x300 -gravity Center -extent 300x300 out.png |
| 17:02.35 | nevcairiel | might want to specify the background color |
| 17:02.48 | Adys | nevcairiel: woot |
| 17:02.59 | nicoli_s | Adys: nope sorry, all i've done are just some basic conversion things |
| 17:03.00 | Adys | its jpg dont need that |
| 17:04.01 | nevcairiel | imagemagick is really powerful in batch processing, its <3 |
| 17:04.25 | Adys | yah it is |
| 17:04.34 | Duman | amen |
| 17:04.37 | Lopeppeppy | Then I really want it. Our site has no batch imaging apps, very annyong. |
| 17:04.56 | Adys | some twat earlier on linked me http://www.webcheatsheet.com/php/create_thumbnail_images.php saying "why do you use that shitty program might as well use a script" |
| 17:05.37 | nevcairiel | because imagemagick is alot more sane :P |
| 17:06.26 | nevcairiel | Lopeppeppy, well batch processing requires you to write a bash script to do the actual batch-processing :P |
| 17:08.48 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. I am not Tjhe Programmer, nope, cannot write these things. |
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| 17:08.53 | Lopeppeppy | So I just do them in photoshop. :P |
| 17:12.25 | jpmorgan | do u have a unix shell where u can run imagemagick lo? |
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| 17:13.41 | Lopeppeppy | Anyone live in/visit Seattle often, have "things to do" that I can suggest to a traveling friend? |
| 17:14.00 | jpmorgan | boieng flight museum has added stunning new WW1 and WW2 exhibit. |
| 17:14.07 | jpmorgan | boeing |
| 17:14.27 | jpmorgan | plus a concorde and air force 1 |
| 17:17.58 | Lopeppeppy | Neat. Dunno how she is about planes, but that's something. She's going to be there for a week, lots of time. |
| 17:19.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Lopeppeppy: there's the Seattle Art Museum, a rather nice Japanese zen garden.. |
| 17:20.33 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet, I'll pass those on too. |
| 17:20.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Oh, and the Sci-Fi Museum/Experience Music Project. They're both really awesome |
| 17:21.17 | NightHawkTheSane | (well, the former is assuming you like sci-fi) |
| 17:22.11 | NightHawkTheSane | If she has the means, and does't mind a short drive, teh Tacoma Glass Museum is nice as well |
| 17:22.51 | jpmorgan | http://www.ratcityrollergirls.com/pubcal.html (SFWness not established) |
| 17:23.15 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe, and them. good call :) |
| 17:24.42 | Lopeppeppy | No car, so if it's not walkable or reasonably taxi-able, she's not likely to go wandering. |
| 17:25.00 | Lopeppeppy | Roller derby! *laugh* |
| 17:25.10 | jpmorgan | ferry from downtown seattle to anywhere and back is fun |
| 17:26.15 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.thestranger.com/ has a number of theatre/arts/music/food listings as well |
| 17:26.20 | Lopeppeppy | she's from boston, ferries bore us bostonites to tears. :) |
| 17:30.04 | NightHawkTheSane | and of course, while it's depressingly touristy, there -is- always the space needle. Kinda expensive, but the view is nice on a good day. |
| 17:30.42 | zenzelezz | there's apparently some software company there; no idea if they take visitors |
| 17:30.54 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: i hear there's a few, actually |
| 17:31.09 | zenzelezz | I was thinking of "the" Seattle software company |
| 17:31.19 | NightHawkTheSane | technically, they're redmond/bellevue ;) |
| 17:31.48 | zenzelezz | technically you people speak English too |
| 17:31.55 | zenzelezz | details never work |
| 17:32.35 | NightHawkTheSane | But i'm pretty sure google, amazon, and I think adobe all have offices in the area as well |
| 17:33.38 | Ackis | anyway to make notepad++ auto wrap at a certain number of characters? |
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| 17:37.02 | Seerah | you mean as opposed to wrapping to window width? |
| 17:37.59 | Ackis | yes |
| 17:38.08 | Ackis | I want it to wrap at say 76 chars |
| 17:38.08 | Seerah | hmm dunno |
| 17:38.45 | Seerah | you can use a monospace font and set your window width to that size.... |
| 17:40.40 | Ackis | *nod* was just looking or a quick way to wrap a huge line of text |
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| 17:47.34 | Ackis | DBM r hackingz my stuffz http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge/tickets/1861-possible-hack-in-new-dbm/ |
| 17:48.10 | Lopeppeppy | oh noes! |
| 17:48.40 | nevcairiel | you should've told him it was DBMs fault <.< |
| 17:49.26 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, in like 5 min flat you got hacked and banned? No. You got banned for something you did months ago, dude. |
| 17:50.39 | Fisker | arthas in 5-man icecrown citadel |
| 17:50.44 | Fisker | in b4 lorelol |
| 17:51.23 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, anyone use evolution for mail in ubuntu? |
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| 17:52.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Specifically, is it any good for reading gmail via imap, or should I use something like thunderbird? |
| 17:54.19 | Dagmar | Evolution kicks ass if you get OMGLOTS of mail |
| 17:54.21 | Dagmar | I get OMGLOTS of mail. |
| 17:54.46 | Dagmar | It'll work fine for Gmail with IMAPs or POP3s. |
| 17:54.59 | NightHawkTheSane | I don't, really. I just need something besides the web-based gmail interface for reading my mail at work. |
| 17:55.36 | Dagmar | "Changed status from New to Invalid" lol |
| 17:56.21 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Well, Evolution should work great, but if you're running off a LiveCD you'll probably want to use Thunderbird |
| 17:56.43 | Dagmar | I *think* it might wind up wanting to store metadata about the mail on the local disk, even if you're using IMAP for transport |
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| 17:59.03 | Dagmar | Given my choice tho of Outlook or Evo, I'd take Evo in a white-hot second. |
| 17:59.15 | Ackis | outlook > all |
| 17:59.23 | jpmorgan | LookOut! |
| 17:59.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: outlook isn't even a choice. And no, not running off a livecd, got ubuntu installed on my work laptop |
| 17:59.34 | Dagmar | Outlook should be classified as malware |
| 17:59.46 | NightHawkTheSane | thanks, by the way :) |
| 17:59.51 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Rock... Evo should work fine then |
| 18:00.03 | Dagmar | You'll freak at how fast it can search _large_ stores of mail |
| 18:00.20 | Ackis | Today, I was talking and joking with my boyfriend. He said "Hey wanna hear a joke?" I said "Yes." He said, "Our relationship." and walked away. He seriously dumped me through a one-liner. FML |
| 18:00.21 | Ackis | lol |
| 18:00.22 | Ackis | win |
| 18:00.36 | NightHawkTheSane | hah. |
| 18:00.43 | Dagmar | I'll have to remember that one |
| 18:04.54 | Dagmar | I am starting to hate roombas |
| 18:05.05 | Dagmar | I never imagined that when I grew up I'd be buying personal robots |
| 18:05.23 | Dagmar | ...that just vacuum the floor and shoot absolutely no one with eye lasers. |
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| 18:06.53 | Shishire | eww... I just read the FrameXML code for BuffFrame.lua... Does it really require you to cycle through all the buffs/debuffs to determine what was added/removed every time UNIT_AURA fires? |
| 18:08.02 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, mor or less. |
| 18:08.07 | cog|work | Shishire: you say "eww" but you have to remember all the default UI needs to do with that information is draw the buff icons at the top of your screen |
| 18:08.48 | Shishire | yeah, but can't the UNIT_AURA event pass through the id of the buff? |
| 18:08.49 | Ackis | lol Today, my friends were all talking about the first time they bought condoms. I can still remember the first time I bought them; in fact they are unopened and expired in my bedside table. FML |
| 18:11.06 | cog|work | what about when a buff is removed? You would now get an id, but that id wouldn't be valid |
| 18:11.11 | NightHawkTheSane | ugh. apps that have a minim size for their windows that's -bigger- than the monitor size fucking fail |
| 18:12.48 | Dagmar | Ackis: So sad... |
| 18:14.13 | Adys | anyone on kde? |
| 18:15.39 | Fisker | LOL |
| 18:15.52 | Fisker | Icehowl did massive crash just as he went berserk |
| 18:15.56 | Fisker | and we killed him :D |
| 18:16.16 | Fisker | (massive crash killed everyone, etc) |
| 18:21.22 | Ackis | am I weird for liking cold pizza over warm pizza? |
| 18:21.31 | NightHawkTheSane | yes. |
| 18:21.47 | Shishire | how cold are we talking? |
| 18:21.49 | Dagmar | Only if it has anchovies on it |
| 18:21.50 | NightHawkTheSane | not that cold pizza is bad. but good hot pizza is only a hair short of divine |
| 18:22.01 | Shishire | leftover or still frozen kind of thing? |
| 18:22.18 | Ackis | left over :) |
| 18:22.29 | Shishire | only slightly then |
| 18:23.23 | Dagmar | Refridgerated pizza with ham and pineapple should be an official breakfast food |
| 18:24.51 | NightHawkTheSane | ~weather ksea |
| 18:25.26 | NightHawkTheSane | ~weather kbfi |
| 18:25.56 | Seerah | oooh, a whole 2 degrees warmer :p |
| 18:26.45 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* i was curious. :P |
| 18:26.54 | Seerah | :D |
| 18:30.42 | NightHawkTheSane | needs to start bringing a hoodie to work or something |
| 18:32.15 | kdtresh | ~weather rno |
| 18:32.37 | Dagmar | Probably stick a K on the airport code |
| 18:32.45 | Dagmar | Like, Nashville is BNA |
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| 18:32.51 | Dagmar | ~weatehr kbna |
| 18:33.05 | Dagmar | (yes I spelled it that wway on purpose) |
| 18:33.11 | NightHawkTheSane | :P |
| 18:33.15 | Seerah | sure ya did ;) |
| 18:33.35 | kdtresh | ~weather krno |
| 18:33.40 | Ackis | oh snap: played Resident Evil 5 (2ach, +30gs), Pinball FX (5ach, +55gs), and 2 other games yesterday http://gamerdna.com/r/2lhT |
| 18:33.42 | Ackis | imma so pro |
| 18:33.45 | Dagmar | No one but me gives a damn about the weather here, and I already know what it's like outside |
| 18:33.55 | Shishire | ~weather kbos |
| 18:34.03 | Kaso | Did they fuck up the Emblems achievements last night? |
| 18:34.20 | Kaso | everyone seems to be reset to the next one up -1 |
| 18:34.20 | kdtresh | 46, it was 90 over the weekend |
| 18:34.32 | Seerah | Dagmar: I don't mind seeing the weather for Nashville :p My brother lives there and I'll be there next week :p |
| 18:36.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Seerah: i'm sorry. :P |
| 18:36.52 | Seerah | hehe. it was cheaper to drive over and fly out of BNA then for them to drive over and we all fly out of MEM |
| 18:38.14 | Dagmar | Seerah: Well, gimme a holler when you're here and I'll show you a world-class coffee house |
| 18:38.40 | Dagmar | www.bongojava.com |
| 18:39.44 | Seerah | Dagmar: my brother and his wife just moved out of the house *next* to the belmont location last month :) |
| 18:42.28 | Dagmar | Really? They were the people living in the place next to Bongo |
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| 18:43.06 | Dagmar | Umm... Not to bring up bad news, but wasn't he recently diagnosed with cancer? |
| 18:43.06 | Ackis | ok somene needs to teach me what digg is |
| 18:43.19 | Seerah | Dagmar: the house on the north side |
| 18:43.19 | Dagmar | Oh |
| 18:43.21 | Seerah | is broken up into apartments |
| 18:43.24 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 18:43.34 | Seerah | they were in the second floor front apartment |
| 18:44.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Ackis: its a bunch of linkbaiting, degenerate morons. |
| 18:45.00 | Ackis | so i'm not missing anything |
| 18:45.04 | NightHawkTheSane | not really, no. |
| 18:45.12 | MentalPower | isn't there supposed to be a ChatFrame1:AddFormattedMessage() or somesuch? |
| 18:45.34 | foxlit | Font strings only, iirc. |
| 18:47.04 | MentalPower | ah, you are correct |
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| 19:11.37 | Shishire | found out what I was doing wrong. I need to be parsing the combat log (COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED) rather than using the buff event (UNIT_AURA) in order to get an accurate listing of what buffs are being applied to whom, and when |
| 19:12.23 | durcyn | or you could just bucket UNIT_AURA and scan using UnitAura(), there's more than one way to skin a cat |
| 19:12.49 | Shishire | well, but UnitAura() won't give me the spell id |
| 19:13.32 | Shishire | and I'm looking specifically for spells which are only used for game mechanic effects, like fire, and void zones |
| 19:13.45 | Shishire | hence the name is pretty useless. |
| 19:16.10 | Shishire | Lady Blaumeux's Void Zone hits the player with a "Consumption" debuff, but I don't want to trigger my addon whenever someone gets hit by the other Consumptions, most of which are unavoidable |
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| 19:37.12 | Bruners | haste: are you going totc or comming brd ? |
| 19:48.20 | Fisker | i'm coming Bruners |
| 19:49.38 | zenzelezz | too much info |
| 19:52.46 | Thunder_Child | admit it zenzelezz, it made you feel all warm and gooey inside |
| 19:53.02 | Lopeppeppy | eeew |
| 19:53.06 | Lopeppeppy | that's for brownies |
| 19:53.36 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: no, that's just when I'm the one coming |
| 19:53.37 | Thunder_Child | seems like a waste of a brownie |
| 19:54.03 | Thunder_Child | zenzelezz, wouldnt that make someone else feel al warm and gooey inside then? |
| 19:54.07 | Thunder_Child | all* |
| 19:54.35 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: I would be very surprised if it did, considering my sexual encounters so far are all single-player |
| 19:54.55 | Dagmar | laughs at you |
| 19:55.04 | zenzelezz | parries |
| 19:55.22 | Thunder_Child | s/someone else/a sock/ |
| 19:55.43 | Lopeppeppy | is not gonna comment |
| 19:55.49 | Thunder_Child | you just did |
| 19:56.10 | zenzelezz | what kind of freak would use socks? |
| 19:56.42 | Thunder_Child | old school military practice |
| 19:56.59 | zenzelezz | I see |
| 19:57.11 | zenzelezz | well I was never called in to serve in the military |
| 19:57.27 | zenzelezz | apparently my vision made me undesirable |
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| 20:06.26 | Shirik | omg |
| 20:06.29 | Shirik | got new bose headphones |
| 20:06.41 | Shirik | and then I was like /die |
| 20:06.43 | Shirik | <3 bose |
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| 20:07.08 | MentalPower | which model |
| 20:07.09 | MentalPower | ? |
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| 20:08.16 | Shirik | TP-1A it looks like? |
| 20:08.53 | Shirik | hm |
| 20:08.56 | Shirik | maybe that's something else |
| 20:09.10 | MentalPower | TriPort? |
| 20:09.16 | Shirik | it says that on it too |
| 20:09.40 | Shirik | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6655728&st=around+the+ear&lp=2&type=product&cp=1&id=1082742915065 |
| 20:09.41 | Shirik | Those ones |
| 20:10.29 | Durinanix | how long does it take usually to have a administrator review a project? |
| 20:11.08 | MentalPower | not very long |
| 20:11.09 | nevcairiel | just slap shirik |
| 20:11.12 | Shirik | as long as it takes you to tell me |
| 20:11.12 | MentalPower | < 2hrs |
| 20:11.27 | MentalPower | aww, I wanted to make him sweat :P |
| 20:11.33 | Shirik | there's nothing in the queue... |
| 20:11.38 | Shirik | are you sure you uploaded it? |
| 20:11.42 | Durinanix | yea |
| 20:11.46 | nevcairiel | maybe its not WoWI :P |
| 20:11.55 | Durinanix | http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/kellendros/ |
| 20:12.05 | nevcairiel | bah now i have to review it |
| 20:12.09 | Shirik | owned nevcairiel |
| 20:12.11 | MentalPower | #CurseForge is --> way :P |
| 20:12.16 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:12.23 | nevcairiel | nah i'll do it |
| 20:12.42 | Durinanix | thx |
| 20:12.45 | ScytheBlade1 | MentalPower: well, this isn't technically the lounge, so.. |
| 20:12.49 | ScytheBlade1 | mourns |
| 20:12.56 | MentalPower | true |
| 20:13.15 | MentalPower | its not |
| 20:13.37 | MentalPower | but just like #Norganna is <--- way, #CurseForge is ---> way :) |
| 20:13.43 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:13.55 | MentalPower | (according to my channel order) |
| 20:14.36 | mikma | this is a stupid channel anyway |
| 20:14.46 | *** part/#wowuidev mikma (i=mikma@194.89.68.22) |
| 20:14.49 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:14.59 | nevcairiel | it all started with cosmos killing their own support channel and sending people over here! |
| 20:14.59 | Thunder_Child | you have all of the tact as a brick through the window |
| 20:15.13 | nicoli_s | nooo not cosmos! |
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| 20:16.01 | MentalPower | by the time they killed their channel, there were only about 5 people on it |
| 20:16.34 | ScytheBlade1 | + the random person popping on from their webpage support IRC applet |
| 20:16.43 | MentalPower | aye |
| 20:20.38 | Lopeppeppy | On second thought, let's not go there, 'tis a silly place. |
| 20:21.00 | ScytheBlade1 | ... cosmos? |
| 20:21.04 | ScytheBlade1 | sits confused |
| 20:21.06 | Fisker | Lopeppeppymen |
| 20:21.25 | MentalPower | is confused |
| 20:21.26 | Dagmar | Why would they have kept that channel open for a year after killing Cosmos? |
| 20:21.36 | ScytheBlade1 | It is technically still open |
| 20:21.41 | ScytheBlade1 | It just redirects here |
| 20:21.57 | MentalPower | its not even on this server |
| 20:22.28 | ScytheBlade1 | It was on freenode |
| 20:22.42 | MentalPower | rly? |
| 20:22.45 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 20:22.50 | MentalPower | this must've been after I left |
| 20:22.57 | MentalPower | cause the original one was not |
| 20:24.32 | Lopeppeppy | was being randomly silly |
| 20:24.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 20:25.39 | Lopeppeppy | Singing Monty Python stuff. |
| 20:26.14 | Dagmar | o/~ O... I'm a lum-ber-jack and I'm, o-kay... o/~ |
| 20:29.54 | Lopeppeppy | Bravely bold Sir Robin, strode forth from Camelot... |
| 20:30.36 | Lopeppeppy | see y'all later, guys. :) |
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| 20:40.35 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/09/mcdomination_map_of_mcdonalds.php |
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| 21:03.51 | Kraps | abyssal shatter woot |
| 21:04.08 | Kraps | if i ever feel like logging in |
| 21:04.17 | cog|work | has been on the phone with DirecTV for 1.5 hours, transferred 4 times, and still prefers them to Comcast |
| 21:04.41 | Kraps | keep the faith bro |
| 21:06.55 | Thunder_Child | what faith? |
| 21:08.14 | Kraps | www.comcastsucks.org/ |
| 21:14.20 | Kraps | http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20090930j |
| 21:15.41 | tem | Kraps, that's no where near as good as CSI:Notre Dame |
| 21:16.03 | tem | http://www.warehousecomic.com/comic_436.php |
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| 21:17.10 | Kraps | lol |
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| 21:23.44 | NightHawkTheSane | tem: its also cause cad sucks. :P |
| 21:24.12 | tem | yeah, I think you're right D: |
| 21:24.46 | NightHawkTheSane | also, in the same vein http://www.pvponline.com/2009/09/25/cs%CF%80/ |
| 21:25.23 | Kraps | cads one-offs are usually ok imo |
| 21:25.55 | NightHawkTheSane | no, its pretty bad all around. mostly because he's a douche |
| 21:26.12 | tem | still doesn't beat quasimodo imo |
| 21:26.18 | NightHawkTheSane | true |
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| 21:28.50 | Aelobin | Fisker: wheres teh trout |
| 21:33.18 | Fisker | RRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 21:33.20 | Fisker | slaps Aelobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:33.25 | Fisker | hey Aelobin |
| 21:33.28 | Aelobin | heya |
| 21:34.11 | Fisker | wanna make out btw? |
| 21:34.21 | Kraps | YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 21:34.56 | Fisker | leaves Aelobin for Kraps |
| 21:35.16 | industrial | Cruciformer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEwS3ZpZogU&fmt=18 |
| 21:35.16 | Aelobin | you pinged me just to turn me down? |
| 21:35.20 | Aelobin | :< |
| 21:35.36 | Kraps | Whoa i dont swing like that, sorry Fisker |
| 21:36.25 | Fisker | you do now |
| 21:36.36 | Fisker | locks Kraps in the dungeon |
| 21:37.08 | Thunder_Child | is that your word for S&M parlour? |
| 21:37.32 | Fisker | yes |
| 21:37.36 | Fisker | btw stop it industrial |
| 21:40.59 | Kraps | invokes http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GreatEscape |
| 21:43.31 | Kraps | whats the best tom clancy game? |
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| 21:43.45 | Dagmar | The one you never play |
| 21:44.27 | Kraps | http://store.steampowered.com/app/13570/ is the highest rated one on steam |
| 21:45.01 | NightHawkTheSane | my personal favorite clancy game is "read his books" |
| 21:45.12 | Kraps | hur |
| 21:51.43 | _rane | NightHawkTheSane: so clever xDDD |
| 21:54.25 | NightHawkTheSane | the real question is how many tools who play those games even know he IS an author |
| 21:55.50 | MentalPower | Tom Clancy's: Some Name, makes it pretty obvious don't you think? |
| 21:56.03 | Dagmar | I'm wondering how many tools playing games realize they had jack and squat to do with the game |
| 21:56.35 | Dagmar | They're like American McGee's Alice in Wonderland |
| 21:56.55 | Dagmar | His contribution: Signing a piece of paper that says they can put his name on it and carrying away a big bag of money all by himself. |
| 21:57.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: that too |
| 21:57.36 | NightHawkTheSane | this is neat: http://baszyou1000.blogspot.com/2009/09/walking-in-circles.html |
| 21:59.09 | Dagmar | Yes, this is why the average idiot needs a map in a video game. |
| 21:59.28 | Kraps | NightHawkTheSane: musta been cloudy in those stories :p |
| 21:59.54 | Dagmar | ...or those people were just dim |
| 22:00.25 | Dagmar | You know why? You walk _downhill_ if you're lost. |
| 22:00.34 | Dagmar | Always, always, downhill. |
| 22:00.41 | Dagmar | Downhill leads to water, which leads to people. |
| 22:00.50 | ZorbaBeta | dagmar, what happens if you find yourself in a valley? |
| 22:01.05 | Dagmar | You figure out which end is more downhill and go that way |
| 22:01.11 | Dagmar | If you get it wrong, it'll be obvious soon enough |
| 22:01.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: in theory, its possible you could be in a bowl valley |
| 22:02.06 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Well, then that's still not a problem |
| 22:02.17 | Kraps | anyone try fallen earth? |
| 22:02.24 | Dagmar | If you're in a bowl, before you get to the lip you should be able to tell "Nope, there's no people anywhere in this thing" |
| 22:02.42 | Dagmar | I dislike the outdoors but I'm far from helpless in it. |
| 22:02.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: oh, i agree. just pointing out 'downhill always' it not.. well.. always :P |
| 22:03.34 | Dagmar | Straight lines are great, but if you're lost and might be for a while, water is a high priority item |
| 22:03.59 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Anyone who has the navigational skills of a carpenter ant will probably be doing us a favor by taking themselves out of the gene pool so easily |
| 22:04.46 | NightHawkTheSane | true |
| 22:05.09 | Dagmar | I'm in TN. We practically invented superfluous "terrain" |
| 22:10.23 | Kraps | Assassinâs Creed 2 is an epic story of family, vengeance and conspiracy |
| 22:10.58 | Dagmar | With none of that ugly plot stuff mucking it up |
| 22:11.28 | Kraps | :p |
| 22:12.09 | Kraps | ima buy that shit |
| 22:12.45 | Dagmar | Well, the setup for Assassin's Creed was pretty thin already, but I hear they've dropped all pretense for 2 |
| 22:13.23 | foxlit | Who needs plot when you can have fun? |
| 22:13.38 | Kraps | ^ |
| 22:13.38 | Dagmar | Frankly, I agree |
| 22:13.52 | Dagmar | the time viewing thing they used in the first one was dodgy |
| 22:13.58 | Dagmar | ...dodgy at best. |
| 22:14.00 | Arrowmaster | i like the story in Assassin's Creed |
| 22:14.15 | foxlit | http://go-hero.net/content/store/rend.png << I'm finished. |
| 22:14.18 | Dagmar | I liked the killing. |
| 22:14.25 | Arrowmaster | me too |
| 22:14.28 | Arrowmaster | but then it got too easy |
| 22:14.36 | foxlit | But then it got annoyingly difficult. |
| 22:14.48 | Arrowmaster | i kinda got most the achievements when all i had was the starting short sword |
| 22:15.07 | Arrowmaster | once i had the upgraded weapons killing was just too easy |
| 22:15.14 | foxlit | (Or perhaps that's just because I missed the stab-them-with-the-dagger-while-they-recover-from-block line) |
| 22:15.33 | Dagmar | ...or because you were trying to tank them. |
| 22:15.53 | Dagmar | Sometimes it's easier if you approach combat in a game from the perspective of a serial killer. |
| 22:16.05 | foxlit | I'm talking about the last two boss fights specifically. |
| 22:16.09 | Arrowmaster | i was constantly triggering the kill animations with the starting short sword, killing people with counters before they hit me |
| 22:16.10 | Dagmar | You're not looking to "defeat" someone. You just want heads. |
| 22:16.18 | foxlit | I got the impression that none of your normal attacks will land. |
| 22:16.20 | Dagmar | Oh... That thing was lame yeah |
| 22:17.19 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: It's a difficulty curve thing, they probably misjudged it. |
| 22:17.32 | Arrowmaster | there was no difficulty setting |
| 22:17.34 | foxlit | You actually have a much larger chance of with a counterattack at the start of the game. |
| 22:17.36 | Arrowmaster | and im just good |
| 22:17.48 | foxlit | Eventually, the guards get better. |
| 22:18.12 | Arrowmaster | yeah when they got better i just slaughtered them with the long sword |
| 22:18.37 | Kraps | theres prostitutes in AC2 |
| 22:18.52 | Arrowmaster | i completed one of the latter kills then proceeded to 'walk' (not run) all the way back to the safehouse in the middle of the streets with my sword drawn |
| 22:19.10 | Arrowmaster | i left a very long trail of bodies |
| 22:19.18 | foxlit | No style, that. |
| 22:20.53 | foxlit | My personal favorite was actually finishing an assassination section without entering combat -- but that seems rather elusive, as the game rather easily disintegrates into a brawlfest. |
| 22:20.59 | Arrowmaster | no it was pure style, i didnt really stop to kill them they just died as they ran upto me |
| 22:21.02 | Arrowmaster | it was pure win |
| 22:21.12 | Kraps | Arrowmaster: you were able to actually move? i found the sheer number of guards after an assassination really annoying |
| 22:21.34 | Arrowmaster | hell yeah |
| 22:22.06 | Arrowmaster | like i said i was good at countering, the guards always attacked right as they ran upto me so it was insta counter kills over and over |
| 22:22.38 | Arrowmaster | they cant defend against counters |
| 22:23.26 | foxlit | So early game, then. |
| 22:23.27 | Kraps | its not a 100% kill shot though, some counters just punch or push |
| 22:23.53 | Kraps | s/shot/rate/ |
| 22:23.59 | Arrowmaster | you know you do have control over which counter it does |
| 22:24.33 | Kraps | yeah? |
| 22:24.42 | Kraps | seemed random to me |
| 22:25.02 | foxlit | seemed predetermined to me. |
| 22:25.16 | Arrowmaster | some where, like if you countered a grab |
| 22:25.44 | foxlit | Grab counters are a separate mechanic. |
| 22:26.17 | foxlit | My understanding is that you were talking about parry/counterattack :) |
| 22:26.29 | Arrowmaster | well i have to leave now, got a class to goto |
| 22:27.25 | Kraps | are there any updates on Desmond? everything is just about the Italian guy |
| 22:28.10 | foxlit | <autoplot>Desmond has to relive the italian guy's life because the thieves moved the relics</autoplot> |
| 22:28.39 | Kraps | hehe |
| 22:29.05 | Kraps | i just want him to get with lucy |
| 22:41.02 | Thunder_Child | in the sky with diamonds? |
| 22:43.21 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7F2X3rSSCU |
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| 22:54.45 | Esamynn | pokes MentalPower |
| 22:54.53 | MentalPower | ~lart Esamynn |
| 22:54.53 | purl | stabs Esamynn |
| 22:55.04 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 22:55.04 | purl | aw, gee, Esamynn |
| 22:55.08 | kd3 | huh... they just extended brewfest |
| 22:55.10 | kd3 | ponders |
| 22:55.10 | MentalPower | purl, that's one of your least imaginative larts... |
| 22:55.15 | Esamynn | kd3: why what? |
| 22:55.21 | Esamynn | s/why/they/ |
| 22:55.35 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20126978066&pageNo=1&sid=1 |
| 22:55.39 | Esamynn | MentalPower: yet, strangely appropriate |
| 22:56.39 | Esamynn | ~comfort MentalPower |
| 22:56.40 | purl | There, there, MentalPower. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 22:56.44 | jpmorgan | kd - which forum is that? |
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| 22:57.28 | jpmorgan | nm got it |
| 22:58.46 | tem | oh wow |
| 22:58.53 | tem | the horde DK set has a typo in the name |
| 22:59.11 | tem | They misspell the NPC's name |
| 22:59.11 | tem | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=48501 |
| 22:59.15 | tem | it's Koltira |
| 22:59.20 | tem | you save him in the DK starter zone |
| 22:59.29 | tem | and the name of the set is "Kolitra's ..." |
| 22:59.34 | tem | failure |
| 23:00.45 | Dagmar | "Kolitra" sounds like a questionable "male enhancement" product |
| 23:04.58 | Fisker | headbangs |
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| 23:07.31 | NightHawkTheSane | tem: koltira shows up in several horde quest hubs too. silly that they misspelled it |
| 23:07.54 | tem | Actually, I just checked in game and it's not misspelled |
| 23:08.03 | tem | just somehow wowhead has picked it up as wrong |
| 23:08.23 | Dagmar | Well, at least it's not 'Bffjill' |
| 23:09.11 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Moi%27bff_Jill |
| 23:09.49 | Dagmar | lolol |
| 23:10.00 | kd3 | his old name... yup |
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| 23:13.19 | A-KO | sigh |
| 23:13.23 | A-KO | just saw the kodo drop :( |
| 23:13.26 | A-KO | and it went to some stoner warlock |
| 23:14.27 | kdtresh | i lost rolls on ram, kodo, and remote today |
| 23:15.04 | kdtresh | i have yet to win any of them on any of my alts, lol |
| 23:15.07 | Dagmar | The remote's no longer half as fun since you have to be grouped to click on it now |
| 23:15.18 | Dagmar | Works pretty good in Wintergrasp tho |
| 23:15.29 | A-KO | could always go to a noob zone |
| 23:15.30 | A-KO | invite someone |
| 23:15.36 | A-KO | and say "this will port you directly to <major city>" |
| 23:15.54 | Dagmar | Yes, but they're noobs. |
| 23:16.06 | ArrowmasterClass | they wouldnt be able to zone in anyway |
| 23:16.11 | Dagmar | There's no need to be mean to noobe who are minding their own buisness. |
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| 23:16.51 | ArrowmasterClass | all zones have min levels, some are just set to level 1 |
| 23:17.07 | Dagmar | It's the people who tell you "we don't need any 'wizardly' DPS in this group chuckles" that you give free portals |
| 23:17.10 | Dagmar | ...to the Plane of Fear. |
| 23:18.01 | Dagmar | People like me are _exactly_ why they added a verbose confirmation dialog to that |
| 23:18.08 | Dagmar | I kept a _list_ |
| 23:18.17 | ArrowmasterClass | EQ? |
| 23:18.21 | Dagmar | If you were on it, you got free rides to Fear, not Queynos |
| 23:18.26 | Dagmar | Yes |
| 23:18.33 | ArrowmasterClass | never played it |
| 23:18.43 | Dagmar | That's actually quite fine |
| 23:18.58 | Dagmar | It's a bit like saying "I was born too late to really enjoy the concentration camps" |
| 23:19.40 | ArrowmasterClass | english teacher trashing wikipedia now |
| 23:19.49 | Dagmar | To make it clear how nasty a port to Fear was, you had a life expectancy of about 5 minutes or less once you got there if you went in alone |
| 23:20.03 | Dagmar | You HAD to go back to your corpse to loot all your items and equipment if you died. |
| 23:20.40 | Dagmar | ...and this means you had to find another wizard who would spend the dough (or be bribed with money you pulled from the bank) to portal you there again, as well as explain to them why the LAST wizard portaled you to Fear |
| 23:20.53 | Dagmar | Laughs all around really. |
| 23:20.56 | Dagmar | :) |
| 23:21.05 | A-KO | so |
| 23:21.08 | A-KO | 2 or 3 healers for togc 10? |
| 23:27.04 | ArrowmasterClass | ..... |
| 23:27.17 | ArrowmasterClass | my college library has its own facebook page...... |
| 23:28.06 | Dagmar | They're trying to make reading appear cool. |
| 23:28.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Why does that surprise you? |
| 23:29.04 | Dagmar | It doesn't. |
| 23:29.20 | ArrowmasterClass | i cant fucking wait for this social networking bubble to burst |
| 23:29.36 | ArrowmasterClass | we know it will just like the dot.com bubble |
| 23:29.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I sure hope it dies a horrible death |
| 23:29.54 | Dagmar | What would _suprise_ me is if they took the sensible approach and started putting pictures of pop stars or free downloads in there for when people can answer test questions about a book they checked out |
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| 23:44.56 | Tuller | i'm not too sure that social networking is really a bubble, its more of a "hey, you can do things other than porn on the internet!" reaction from the public |
| 23:47.18 | alestane | I do think the "omg social networking is the Internet's newset gold mine!!1!" sensationalism will die down. |
| 23:47.33 | theorbtwo | Really a bit strange that a death gate, when left around, doesn't say *anything* when a non-death-knight clicks on it. |
| 23:47.53 | theorbtwo | It'll certianly be interesting to see what happens when twitter is forced to actually monotize. |
| 23:47.54 | Bruners | slowly getting people to pay for it is a gold mine |
| 23:56.17 | NightHawkTheSane | theorbtwo: does any portal say anything when someone who can't use it clicks on it? |
| 23:58.54 | theorbtwo | IIRC, the portal to the blasted lands doesn't show up if you don't have burning crusade installed. |
| 23:59.36 | theorbtwo | Trying to take a ship to northrend when under-leveled will give you a message and teleport you to the nearest graveyard (but not kill you). |
| 23:59.57 | theorbtwo | I don't know that I've ever wandered across an open mage portal and tried it. |
