| 00:00.29 | foxlit | Some of the shadows are still misaligned, which kind of sucks :( |
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| 00:16.51 | mikma | http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/celebrity-pictures-johnny-depp-emo-wolverine.jpg |
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| 00:23.41 | mikma | http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/11/13/128710896719723888.jpg |
| 00:24.30 | ccox | hmm, I can run dwarfdump on wow.app, but where is gnomedump ? |
| 00:25.58 | mikma | orcdump ate it |
| 00:25.59 | zenzelezz | ccox: it's called Gnomeregan |
| 00:27.23 | ccox | % whereis dwarfdump |
| 00:27.29 | ccox | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.37 | ccox | % whereis gnomedump |
| 00:27.45 | ccox | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:27.53 | ccox | yep, the OS agrees with you |
| 00:29.27 | Sesshu | what was the name of the fuction that runs strings? |
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| 00:31.04 | mikma | print |
| 00:31.14 | zespri | chaps and chappetes, help me out here... how do I connect to the us server with eu client, assuming I have an us account? I tried to edit Config.wtf but it doesn't work it resets back to eu |
| 00:31.39 | Sesshu | nah |
| 00:32.12 | mikma | zespri: stop the private server -shit |
| 00:32.27 | Sesshu | need someting like RunString("n = 0; n + 1") |
| 00:32.37 | zespri | mikma, huh? |
| 00:32.57 | zespri | what are you talking about? |
| 00:33.02 | Sesshu | (Sesshu): loadstring |
| 00:33.02 | Sesshu | -.- |
| 00:33.05 | Sesshu | kk |
| 00:33.28 | zenzelezz | zespri: I don't think it's config.wtf, I think it's the realmlist.something or some such file |
| 00:33.48 | zenzelezz | at least it was a very small file when I did it |
| 00:34.41 | mikma | zespri: people edit their servers in order to connect into private servers =D |
| 00:34.57 | Dagmar | BAD people. |
| 00:36.18 | zespri | mikma, my question has nothing to do with that. I have a eu client and I want to know if I can connect to us server where I have account. it has nothing to do with private servers. I know that this is not supported by blizz, but I heard other people did this in the past |
| 00:36.36 | zenzelezz | did you try what I said? |
| 00:36.49 | mikma | zespri: use the us gamed you own then |
| 00:37.07 | Dagmar | I'm not sure you can login to the US servers without a US account |
| 00:37.15 | zenzelezz | he said he has a US account |
| 00:37.20 | Adys | "If a bank did this to me I'd be all up in their butts with lawyers sewing for damages." |
| 00:37.37 | Dagmar | hah forum posters |
| 00:39.55 | zespri | mikma, yeah, it's kind of obvious. but again, that's not what I asked about. you don't know the answer, that's fine, anyway, thank you for your help. |
| 00:41.50 | mikma | i know the answer, i'm not sharing. hahahahahaaaaaaa |
| 00:41.56 | mikma | cairenn: http://www.geekologie.com/2009/09/for_the_ladies_this_ridiculous.php |
| 00:42.36 | Cairenn | wtf? |
| 00:43.16 | Cairenn | actually, you know |
| 00:43.22 | Cairenn | the more I look at it ... that's cute |
| 00:43.47 | mikma | and now you are browsing for a seller... |
| 00:43.53 | Cairenn | heh |
| 00:43.53 | Corrodias | cute, probably costs far more than the $15 it's worth, though. |
| 00:43.57 | mikma | ordered, done. |
| 00:44.21 | Corrodias | actually, given the construction material... maybe $30 for a pair. i am not sure of the cost of that stuff. |
| 00:44.21 | mikma | 10x 15, carbonfibre is not cheap |
| 00:44.47 | Corrodias | perhaps, but is the material reusable now that it has been shaped, mikma? |
| 00:44.55 | Corrodias | it can be -worth- far less than it costs |
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| 00:46.17 | mikma | corrodias: once you toughen the carbon, its game over for the reuse |
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| 00:47.08 | Corrodias | all right, i'd definitely say they're only worth $30 for the pair, to be generous |
| 00:49.14 | mikma | sure, whatever =) |
| 00:52.15 | Corrodias | my shoes have quite a lot of comfortable padding and look quite nice. $35. |
| 00:52.22 | Cairenn | I'd never wear them in the green, though |
| 00:52.33 | mikma | red! |
| 00:52.44 | Cairenn | I can like green shoes, but not that shade, not that material |
| 00:53.13 | Cairenn | in a silver or grey they'd be stunning though |
| 00:53.52 | zespri | zenzelezz, thanks, that worked. I just didn't realized that i need to go inside the data folder to find the relamlist |
| 00:54.05 | zespri | was looking at the root of wow installation |
| 01:04.43 | Dagmar | We can tell someone's not a guy |
| 01:04.49 | Dagmar | "THey've got laces! I'll take 'em" |
| 01:06.44 | Cairenn | hehhee |
| 01:07.07 | Dagmar | I'm generally happy when I can find them in "nothing but black" |
| 01:11.43 | Arrowmaster | i bought a new pair of shoes last year, exact same style as the ones they replaced, black leather sketchers |
| 01:13.13 | Dagmar | Yeah there's a New Balance store here now which made me happy |
| 01:13.17 | Arrowmaster | ive got not one but two black leather jackets too, apparently i like leather |
| 01:13.37 | Dagmar | I have two but one was pretty6 dried out and my gf wrecked it by hanging it on a post and it tore |
| 01:14.03 | Dagmar | SLowly but surely the new one is getting "street cred" to it |
| 01:14.09 | Arrowmaster | one of mine is a duster, not really suitable for spring or fall |
| 01:14.29 | Dagmar | Mine are the archetypical James Dean biker jackets |
| 01:14.37 | Dagmar | i.e. "leather armor" |
| 01:18.50 | Dagmar | In the summer, you just shift 'em a little back so you can get some airflow and it's no problem |
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| 01:42.52 | kd3 | whee. 2" of rain and atlanta panics |
| 01:43.05 | kd3 | good thing the front is past the city, finally |
| 01:45.01 | cbreak | unmatched quotation error |
| 01:53.25 | Unindal | if i am creating a new button for every line (excluding headers) in the trade skill window, do i need to create buttons for the lines that are not in the current view? |
| 01:54.30 | Landrell | Yeah I heard about the Kd... |
| 01:55.58 | Landrell | Still not as bad as that Torando that tore up downtown last year. I left that area dropping the fiance at the airport about an hour before that sucker touched down. He had to fly through that crap. Didn't even know until I got home. ..< |
| 01:59.53 | Thunder_Child | kd3m i want your rain |
| 01:59.57 | Thunder_Child | s/m/,/ |
| 02:00.38 | bleeter | http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/09/27/2697646.htm |
| 02:01.31 | bleeter | kd3: i'm told we've had over 1' in the past month (is that how one denotes feet?) |
| 02:02.10 | Thunder_Child | so...over your head then bleeter? |
| 02:02.31 | Wobin | only if bleeter is a gnome? |
| 02:04.37 | bleeter | baaaaaa |
| 02:04.43 | Thunder_Child | i didnt think gnomes were that short |
| 02:04.52 | bleeter | sues Thunder_Child for 1,784 billion, trillion |
| 02:05.11 | Thunder_Child | gives bleeter the money he asks for |
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| 02:20.32 | kd3 | in the past... 2 weeks? we've probably had about two feet of rain |
| 02:20.43 | kd3 | nearly all of which came last sunday/monday |
| 02:20.57 | Landrell | Jeebus. |
| 02:21.09 | Landrell | I wish I saw most of that when I was living in the area back then. |
| 02:38.14 | Unindal | anyone know what the standard FrameXML files are for the Trade SKill window? |
| 02:38.54 | Unindal | i see like the spellbook, character, talent tree, but no tradeskill |
| 02:43.37 | Unindal | anyone? |
| 02:45.00 | Unindal | found it ... go figure not grouped with other files |
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| 03:32.44 | Adys | is there a global function to dump something now? |
| 03:35.49 | Thunder_Child | /script run(exlax) |
| 03:45.19 | Shirik | Adys: SlashCmdList["DUMP"] :P |
| 03:47.47 | Shirik | http://www.processlibrary.com/directory/files/explorer/21242/ |
| 03:47.48 | Shirik | "Disable and Remove explorer.exe IMMEDIATELY. This process is most likely a virus or trojan. " |
| 03:47.51 | Shirik | ..... |
| 03:48.21 | kd3 | hokay |
| 03:48.23 | kd3 | g'bye, windows |
| 03:48.37 | Thunder_Child | depends where it is |
| 03:48.53 | Shirik | Common Path(s):%system%\explorer.exe |
| 03:49.20 | Shirik | which is in fact correct |
| 03:50.49 | Grimsin | do some files that can be set as frame backdrops not work for settexture? |
| 03:50.52 | Thunder_Child | interesting, %temp% works in win7 but %system% doesnt |
| 03:53.07 | Shirik | That's because %system% is deprecated |
| 03:53.11 | Shirik | it's supposed to be %systemroot% |
| 03:53.50 | Thunder_Child | then it's not right |
| 03:54.16 | Shirik | so go yell at them |
| 03:54.29 | Thunder_Child | you're closer |
| 03:54.31 | Shirik | they also use the deprecated %windir% |
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| 04:35.55 | Shirik | faction change + realm change |
| 04:35.59 | Shirik | how long do you think it would take? |
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| 04:44.47 | Adys | SHIRIK |
| 04:45.05 | Shirik | Adys |
| 04:45.15 | Adys | I love you |
| 04:45.27 | Adys | barely as much as Fisker does |
| 04:46.21 | Adys | also thats some fast approval |
| 04:46.23 | Adys | afk |
| 04:48.27 | Shirik | 09-27-2009 12:44 AMDolbyFindItApproved |
| 04:48.33 | Shirik | But I'll totally take credit for it |
| 04:49.26 | Dolby | =p |
| 04:53.12 | Adys | Dolby never talks |
| 04:53.28 | Adys | I bet half the guys here are wondering "Who's that dude who never talks" |
| 04:53.48 | Dolby | I talk some times |
| 04:53.50 | Adys | unlike the other half, which are wondering "Who's that annoying Shirik guy who always talks" |
| 04:54.02 | Shirik | :( |
| 04:54.02 | Adys | which is, wtf |
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| 04:54.33 | Dolby | yeah Shirik can be like a school girl some times |
| 04:54.36 | Dolby | >:) |
| 04:54.38 | Shirik | . |
| 04:54.39 | Shirik | .. |
| 04:55.15 | Dolby | . |
| 04:55.50 | Adys | `â¦Â·Â´ |
| 04:57.27 | Amarande | hmm. I guess my DPS performance is actually pretty good, based on how I've been doing lately |
| 04:57.36 | Amarande | at least, it seems to be up to par with what Rawr suggests I ought to be doing |
| 04:57.45 | Amarande | which means one thing ... |
| 04:57.48 | Amarande | GEAR! I MUST HAVE GEAR! |
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| 05:12.33 | Shirik | Adys |
| 05:12.37 | Shirik | do me a favor? |
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| 05:15.28 | Thunder_Child | he's not that kind of girl Shirik |
| 05:16.46 | Adys | what do you need sweetiepants? |
| 05:19.17 | tem | I wish The Gimp didn't take so long to start up |
| 05:20.26 | tem | Actually, any of you use Gimp to make images for wow? |
| 05:20.55 | Adys | sometimes |
| 05:20.58 | Cairenn | not I, tem, sorry - PhotoShop user here |
| 05:23.32 | tem | Adys, I've only ever used Photoshop before, but I heard that Gimp does the transparency a little differently |
| 05:23.57 | tem | can you give me the short version? |
| 05:24.11 | Adys | umm |
| 05:24.15 | Adys | lemme fire it up again first |
| 05:25.03 | Adys | tem: for a new layer, you go to Layer => transparency |
| 05:25.13 | Adys | for a transparent bg, create a new image, transparent background |
| 05:25.15 | tem | Specifically, in photoshop to get transparency in wow, you need to edit a specific color channel |
| 05:25.46 | tem | the alpha channel I think is the name of it |
| 05:25.57 | tem | does such a thing exist in gimp or does it "just work" |
| 05:26.21 | Adys | layer => transparency |
| 05:26.24 | Adys | alpha to selection, etc |
| 05:26.42 | tem | ah! |
| 05:26.44 | tem | thanks |
| 05:32.06 | End | so long as you add the alpha channel in some way or another, and it shows up transparent, it'll be transparent |
| 05:33.25 | Amarande | I am fail at digital art. I doubt I'd ever be able to make my own addon images :| |
| 05:33.47 | Amarande | There is a reason I tend to make very Spartan web pages that are basically very basic Strict XHTML with almost no graphics |
| 05:34.04 | Adys | thats completely unrelated |
| 05:34.23 | Adys | I'm a big fat failure at photoshop too, but that doesnt mean I dont use graphics in web pages |
| 05:34.35 | Amarande | I only use graphics when I actually need to use them to present the information at hand |
| 05:34.45 | Amarande | the idea of pretty formatting is something I fail in :S |
| 05:35.27 | Amarande | and most of the graphics I actually use on my pages that aren't photographs are flowcharts, which I don't even make myself either, I use Graphviz for that :) |
| 05:36.58 | Amarande | Adys, why do people pretty-format stuff with loads of graphics and usually sub-optimal to the eyes color combinations? |
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| 05:37.35 | Amarande | (e.g., red on black seems to be awfully popular, despite the fact that in readability terms it's almost as fail as black on black heh) |
| 05:37.54 | Adys | nobody writes red text on black bg |
| 05:38.01 | Adys | and no one sane uses a black bg |
| 05:38.03 | Adys | er |
| 05:38.05 | Adys | red bg* |
| 05:38.17 | Amarande | yeah, red on black might not be all that popular |
| 05:38.23 | Amarande | maybe it's just that the pages I remember having it are memorable |
| 05:38.30 | Amarande | for some reason, suck seems to be easily remembered |
| 05:38.33 | Adys | besides you dont need images or whatever to make a page look good |
| 05:38.44 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/ look at this one under a browser that doesnt cocksuck |
| 05:39.01 | Adys | 3 images: logo, faded logo and a grany background |
| 05:39.06 | Adys | rest is css |
| 05:40.14 | Thunder_Child | what faded logo? |
| 05:40.18 | Amarande | yeah, that looks like a good selection of colors |
| 05:40.24 | Adys | Thunder_Child: its not visible on this page |
| 05:40.28 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/57353/heirloom-experience-bonus-10/ |
| 05:40.30 | Adys | at the bottom |
| 05:40.35 | Amarande | I'm actually not that bad at css, when I care to bother with other than the default HTML black text on white |
| 05:40.52 | Thunder_Child | i think i prefer the flat to the faded logo |
| 05:40.53 | Amarande | what I never did learn OTOH was the use of tables to format pages |
| 05:41.04 | Adys | thatd a good thing |
| 05:41.05 | Thunder_Child | it's like your watermarking it |
| 05:41.05 | Amarande | I guess I grew up in the "the web is not a desktop publisher" era where such behavior was discouraged heavily |
| 05:41.14 | Adys | it still is |
| 05:41.28 | Amarande | and, despite the popularity of tables, there are certain cases where using them to format stuff is consistent fail |
| 05:41.30 | Amarande | especially, printing |
| 05:41.32 | Adys | they arent |
| 05:41.48 | Adys | tables are good for tabular data |
| 05:41.49 | Adys | thats it |
| 05:42.21 | Amarande | even when the use of tables is appropriate, I find their use tends to make pages difficult to print |
| 05:42.27 | Amarande | without cutting stuff off the page, that is |
| 05:42.39 | Amarande | for some reason, the presence of a table disrupts firefox's normal fitting-to-the-page routines |
| 05:43.32 | Amarande | I'm not really sure why |
| 05:43.52 | Amarande | when tables are not present, firefox will happily and quite successfully reformat most web pages so they can print out without chopping anything off the right hand side |
| 05:44.04 | Amarande | when they are, anything that goes off the right just gets chopped off wholly instead of compressed to fit the page |
| 05:44.22 | Amarande | Adys, you sound more familiar with browsers than I am |
| 05:44.30 | Amarande | is that a failfox thing, or is that a browser fail in general usually? |
| 05:44.44 | Adys | its firefox |
| 05:44.47 | Adys | its always fucking firefox |
| 05:49.53 | Amarande | also: wtf is Indalamar's Holy Hand Grenade? |
| 05:50.03 | Amarande | I've never even heard of that one before, wowhead doesn't even have an entry on it yet |
| 05:50.26 | Amarande | (I'm presuming it's a GM item, but I'm kinda foggy on exactly what its effect is supposed to be) |
| 05:50.44 | Adys | its a gm and ive no idea what it does |
| 05:50.53 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/?armory=1 |
| 05:50.56 | Adys | amuse yourself |
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| 05:56.05 | Amarande | Poor Frostmourne. |
| 05:56.19 | Amarande | Wonder how much QQ we'll see on the forums when IC hits and people learn it's not actually in :) |
| 05:56.35 | Shirik | Anyone here really good with .NET, primarily interop, or perhaps NUnit? |
| 05:57.32 | Amarande | wonders if the LOTRO forums are full of similar QQ about players not being allowed to have the One Ring. :) |
| 05:58.12 | Thunder_Child | they already said it wanst going to be in Amarande |
| 05:58.19 | Adys | long ago |
| 05:58.23 | Thunder_Child | blizzcon |
| 05:58.27 | Adys | even before |
| 05:58.51 | Amarande | Adys: you have to remember a lot of players don't actually read the announcements before patches hit |
| 05:58.57 | Thunder_Child | but people were paying attention to blizzcon |
| 05:59.18 | Amarande | you know, like the idiots who didn't research the fact that merrymaker was going to need 325 cooking and thus that being hated with goblins was really not a good idea :P |
| 05:59.36 | Amarande | actually, that reminds me. |
| 05:59.53 | Amarande | am I going to need the bloodsail quests, and thus have to ruin my goblin rep in order to finish loremaster of EK? |
| 06:05.08 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 06:23.34 | Thunder_Child | once you pass the 8 hour no eating mark it's quite plesant |
| 06:23.49 | Thunder_Child | pleasant* |
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| 06:46.58 | Adys | same kind of pleasant than when you pass the 8 weeks no showering mark? |
| 06:47.36 | Thunder_Child | not quite |
| 06:56.09 | Adys | ~ping |
| 06:56.10 | purl | ~pong |
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| 07:06.13 | Amarande | sooo ... |
| 07:06.16 | Amarande | what's this harvest fest thing? |
| 07:06.25 | Amarande | someone in orgrimmar is wondering, and I don't know, there aren't even any achs for it |
| 07:08.08 | Zyn | there isn't any achievements |
| 07:08.23 | nevcairiel | its not much really, maybe 3 quests and some food :p |
| 07:15.19 | Amarande | nevcairiel: any actual cooking recipes or just food? |
| 07:15.27 | nevcairiel | just food |
| 07:15.34 | Amarande | meh. |
| 07:15.44 | Amarande | Gah! Once again I failed to get into an H-TOC group without a reply |
| 07:15.49 | Amarande | Damn competition |
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| 07:32.44 | Conflict | wow this channel stays packed |
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| 07:35.32 | Thunder_Child | well it's quiet on weekends |
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| 07:36.17 | Shirik | stealths behind Thunder_Child |
| 07:38.22 | Thunder_Child | is a pally and dosent bother himself with a stealthing Shirik |
| 07:40.04 | Lukian | good luck removing his plate chasity belt Shirik ! |
| 07:40.21 | smcn | why is newegg.com so damn slow |
| 07:40.53 | Shirik | they're probably running on a slightly outdated egg |
| 07:43.17 | Shirik | How to know you broke something with SVN |
| 07:43.43 | Shirik | When you try to delete the folder, it takes windows 10 minutes to say how much you're deleting, and it claims so far it's found 10k files for 700MB |
| 07:44.33 | Thunder_Child | "Flaviviridae" seriously? who comes up with these names |
| 07:46.47 | Shirik | ok it's approaching 20k files... |
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| 07:50.00 | Shirik | omg I have 100 copies of the repository in here |
| 07:50.04 | Shirik | wtf did I do when I checked out... |
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| 07:50.37 | Thunder_Child | i guess you checked out in more ways than one |
| 07:50.44 | Adys | just fixed something on my mother's computer |
| 07:50.50 | Adys | Im not sure what's wrong but |
| 07:50.54 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.58 | Adys | so tons of shit was failing |
| 07:51.34 | Shirik | what's /dev/pts? |
| 07:51.46 | Adys | I still dont know |
| 07:51.46 | Shirik | isn't that like the console? |
| 07:51.50 | Shirik | I've seen it before |
| 07:51.52 | Adys | http://tldp.org/LDP/lfs/5.0/html/chapter06/proc.html |
| 07:52.15 | Shirik | The devpts file system was mentioned earlier and is now the most common way for pseudo terminals (PTYs) to be implemented. |
| 07:52.15 | Adys | the thing that complained the most was logs not being able to write |
| 07:52.25 | Shirik | I was on the right track yay |
| 07:52.29 | Shirik | I'm learning linux stufs |
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| 08:00.00 | Cruciformer | 'lo sheeples |
| 08:00.08 | Adys | 'lo handsome |
| 08:00.16 | Cruciformer | *blink* |
| 08:00.32 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLpBNwwSFkw ! |
| 08:01.31 | Cruciformer | ah |
| 08:01.41 | Cruciformer | hello ... lusers :) |
| 08:02.56 | Cruciformer | Shirik: I finally got my camera back from canon professional services, and they claimed to have recalibrated it, and it is slightly better withthe front-focusing but still not as sharp as Id expect from a pro camera. Im very disappointed. |
| 08:03.07 | Shirik | :/ |
| 08:03.27 | Shirik | sorry to hear that :( |
| 08:03.57 | Cruciformer | I have one lens that it works perfectly with tho, my 85mm prime. So if i stick to portrait, well-lit/flash photography Im set. |
| 08:05.08 | Cruciformer | I am going to try to do the micro-adjustments on each of my other lenses and see if I can get them nice and crisp but the last time I tried, even at teh max micro-adjustment setting it was still slightly off. |
| 08:05.48 | Cruciformer | did you have to do micro-adjusts with your lenses? |
| 08:06.30 | ZorbaBeta | did 3.2.2 end up including cross-server LFG and unspecified "rewards", or did that get canned for now? |
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| 08:06.47 | Adys | cslfg was for 3.3 |
| 08:06.49 | Adys | and still is |
| 08:07.50 | ZorbaBeta | ah okay, I heard it was 3.2.2. I suppose I was incorrect :) |
| 08:08.10 | Adys | 3.2.2 got the AV brackets adjusted |
| 08:08.14 | Adys | which was supposed to be for 3.3 |
| 08:09.21 | Amarande | AV brackets adjusted? |
| 08:09.32 | Adys | 70-79 got their own |
| 08:09.41 | Amarande | you mean to 0-9 like all the other BGs, instead of 1-0? |
| 08:09.54 | Adys | y |
| 08:10.05 | Amarande | good. |
| 08:10.46 | Cruciformer | anyone running windows 7? |
| 08:10.51 | Amarande | 0-9 is practically essential, to keep the armed to the teeth in arena gear folks from making still-leveling BG folks into whipping boys |
| 08:10.57 | Shirik | YES! |
| 08:10.59 | Shirik | I LOVE YOU .NET! |
| 08:11.04 | ZorbaBeta | it's too bad, I was hoping to get Wrecking Ball off noobs in AV |
| 08:11.06 | ZorbaBeta | but, nope |
| 08:11.07 | Adys | ugh |
| 08:11.11 | Adys | and i dont love you anymore Shirik |
| 08:11.35 | Shirik | I wrote unit tests in .NET because it played so well with my continuous integration server. So I sit here and say "well, crap. every time my program segfaults it's going to kill the server" |
| 08:11.37 | Shirik | nope! |
| 08:11.38 | Amarande | Zorba: for the most part, x0 is sufficiently weak to x9 to still do it |
| 08:11.41 | Shirik | .NET apparently catches it |
| 08:11.44 | Shirik | 1>5) Test Error : AbsoluteValueNumberTest.TestSubtraction |
| 08:11.44 | Shirik | 1> System.AccessViolationException : Attempted to read or write protected memory. This is often an indication that other memory is corrupt. |
| 08:12.20 | ZorbaBeta | amarande, well, I'm 80, so now I'm going to be fighting only other 80s |
| 08:13.02 | ZorbaBeta | I'm pretty much gonna need to get a guild healer to follow me around in EotS or something :P |
| 08:13.16 | Adys | i got mine in eots without healer |
| 08:13.18 | Adys | mage |
| 08:13.25 | ZorbaBeta | warrior, with crummy PvP gear. |
| 08:13.29 | ZorbaBeta | it is slightly harder melee. |
| 08:14.37 | Amarande | how bad is the population in eots lately? |
| 08:15.19 | Amarande | last time I went there, there were so few alliance that the 'instance is gonna quit on you' timer started up almost right away |
| 08:15.30 | Amarande | and somehow we managed to zerg a 2000-0 before that timer even expired heh |
| 08:16.21 | Adys | wtf? |
| 08:16.25 | Adys | "Decedera"? |
| 08:16.27 | Adys | is that a name? |
| 08:16.43 | Adys | some npc called Decedera |
| 08:17.14 | Shirik | Better than Adys |
| 08:17.26 | Adys | it means "going to die" in french |
| 08:17.41 | Amarande | Adys: we're talking a game that has NPCs named "Yogg-Saron." |
| 08:18.00 | Adys | and Im talking about a human female |
| 08:18.06 | Adys | not some old god with 20 mouths |
| 08:18.18 | Amarande | I'm not finding this NPC on wowhead |
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| 08:18.25 | Adys | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=12716 |
| 08:18.40 | Amarande | ah, Decedra. |
| 08:19.10 | Amarande | well, "going to die" is probably kinda appropriate for an NPC towards the outskirts of an alliance outpost in dustwallow |
| 08:19.22 | Amarande | or used to be, anyway |
| 08:19.45 | Amarande | I wouldn't touch alliance npcs with a 10 foot pole now in Dustwallow without gobs and gobs of resil heh |
| 08:19.56 | Adys | huh? |
| 08:20.22 | Amarande | Adys: um, Theramore. can we say "main staging area for ten to twenty-five alliance players at a time that would make meat out of me if I flagged in dustwallow." :D |
| 08:20.53 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.01 | Adys | thats me, and one multiboxer lvl 34 |
| 08:21.04 | Amarande | ah, it's probably the time :) |
| 08:21.18 | Amarande | however, that's where Alliance Onyxia raids would most likely gather |
| 08:21.50 | Amarande | ony raid vs. warlock with no resil = I hear disgusting squishing sounds |
| 08:22.13 | Adys | every time you talk i hear disgusting sounds |
| 08:22.32 | Adys | also eh |
| 08:22.37 | Adys | raids gather at the meeting stone |
| 08:22.53 | Adys | besides raids dont actually "gather" anymore since tbc |
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| 08:26.02 | Shirik | Adys, what's wrong with "Decedra"? |
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| 08:26.09 | Shirik | oh |
| 08:26.17 | Shirik | I thought you meant your name meant that |
| 08:26.22 | Shirik | ~x fr en Decedra |
| 08:26.29 | Shirik | o.O |
| 08:26.35 | Shirik | we just add words |
| 08:26.44 | Shirik | ~x fr en will decedra |
| 08:27.20 | Adys | ~x fr en décedera |
| 08:27.26 | Adys | fuck off |
| 08:27.56 | Adys | ~x fr en décèdera |
| 08:28.08 | Adys | w/e |
| 08:28.08 | Adys | http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/décèdera |
| 08:28.19 | Shirik | ~x fr en décèdera |
| 08:28.26 | Shirik | lol. |
| 08:28.47 | Adys | its on the "deceasing" root |
| 08:29.04 | Amarande | hmm, I can already see one definite rule for Onyxia |
| 08:29.27 | Shirik | you know, now that I think about it |
| 08:29.33 | Shirik | Try this Adys |
| 08:29.33 | Amarande | make sure every class is represented in your raid. :) |
| 08:29.43 | Adys | ~x en fr to decease |
| 08:29.46 | Shirik | That's a conjugated form |
| 08:29.49 | Shirik | yes |
| 08:29.51 | Shirik | that's the verb |
| 08:29.56 | Shirik | décéder woudl have worked imo |
| 08:30.02 | Adys | ~x fr en décéder |
| 08:30.03 | zenzelezz | :-o |
| 08:30.04 | Shirik | décèdera is in the imperative |
| 08:30.09 | Adys | works well |
| 08:30.11 | Shirik | try spelling it right |
| 08:30.18 | Shirik | wait, |
| 08:30.19 | Adys | thats the spelling |
| 08:30.22 | Shirik | blah |
| 08:30.31 | Amarande | Onyxia's Law: If you are missing (class) in your raid, the helm for (class) is guaranteed to drop. :) |
| 08:30.42 | Adys | http://translationparty.com/#4477222 |
| 08:30.46 | Adys | even tp gets it correct |
| 08:30.50 | Shirik | re, ir, er |
| 08:31.32 | Amarande | Am I right on this one? |
| 08:31.32 | Adys | Amarande: you are not funny |
| 08:31.32 | Adys | and this is not original |
| 08:31.37 | Shirik | Adys: TP agrees with purl: http://translationparty.com/#4477228 |
| 08:31.56 | Adys | i think purl uses tp as backend |
| 08:32.01 | Adys | ~x en jp kick the baby |
| 08:32.10 | Adys | ~x en fr kick the baby |
| 08:32.12 | Shirik | http://translationparty.com/#4477232 |
| 08:32.43 | Adys | ~conductor Shirik |
| 08:33.07 | Adys | ~x fr en décédé |
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| 08:33.15 | Adys | ~x en fr décédé |
| 08:33.18 | Shirik | http://translationparty.com/#4477241 |
| 08:33.19 | Shirik | Onyxia's Law: In your raid can not find a class that is guaranteed to remove the commander of that class. |
| 08:33.35 | smcn | lol |
| 08:33.51 | Shirik | Adys |
| 08:33.54 | Shirik | do you speak french? |
| 08:34.12 | Adys | erm |
| 08:34.16 | Adys | yes, I'm french Shirik |
| 08:34.20 | Shirik | vraiment? |
| 08:34.26 | Adys | .. yes |
| 08:34.30 | Shirik | I didn't know that |
| 08:34.33 | Arrowmaster | he works for bibi, its a requirement to be french |
| 08:34.38 | Shirik | lol |
| 08:34.42 | Adys | no, its just required for the blowjobs |
| 08:35.02 | Shirik | I know a lot more french people than I thought |
| 08:35.10 | Shirik | unfortunately I haven't tried to speak it much in years |
| 08:35.11 | Adys | Cairenn is french too |
| 08:35.27 | Shirik | she's canadian |
| 08:35.28 | Shirik | she doesn't count |
| 08:35.28 | Cairenn | umm |
| 08:35.28 | zenzelezz | Cairenn always counts |
| 08:35.35 | Cairenn | and I'm not French |
| 08:35.37 | tem | I got wrecking ball at 70 on my mage without a healer |
| 08:35.40 | Adys | yes you are |
| 08:35.45 | Adys | tem ya same |
| 08:35.45 | tem | in wsg |
| 08:35.48 | Cairenn | no, I'm not |
| 08:35.50 | Adys | in eots |
| 08:35.53 | Adys | yes Cairenn you are |
| 08:35.54 | ZorbaBeta | tem, it's certainly easier as range, though |
| 08:36.03 | Cairenn | pokes Adys |
| 08:36.08 | Adys | I think I know better which country you're from than you do yourself |
| 08:36.10 | ZorbaBeta | and mages have some reasonably good GTFO buttons |
| 08:36.22 | Adys | so don't try to play those games with me |
| 08:36.30 | Adys | ZorbaBeta: wish I had a GTFO button |
| 08:36.33 | Shirik | Cairenn: I think it's one of those things like "the U.S. is actually british" |
| 08:36.44 | Shirik | Though, I think by now most UK people are glad they're not american |
| 08:36.49 | Adys | no, she's french |
| 08:36.53 | Adys | from Montpéllier |
| 08:36.56 | Shirik | and would prefer to have nothing to do with us |
| 08:37.15 | ZorbaBeta | adys, blink? eight billion freezes? invisibility? :P |
| 08:37.21 | Arrowmaster | i would prefer to have nothing to do with us either |
| 08:37.29 | Adys | ZorbaBeta: the other kind of GTFO button |
| 08:37.33 | Arrowmaster | although i would prefer to have nothing to do with everybody |
| 08:37.39 | Adys | the kind shammy has |
| 08:37.53 | Torhal | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=160255#post160255 <-- win |
| 08:38.07 | industrial | Adys: no thats the lolyoufallnow button |
| 08:38.24 | industrial | priests have it easy tho, just dot and slowfall :| |
| 08:38.34 | Shirik | huggles Cairenn |
| 08:38.39 | Shirik | industrial: dot? |
| 08:38.41 | Cairenn | huggles Shirik |
| 08:38.42 | Shirik | why do I have to dot? |
| 08:38.46 | Shirik | Is that what I was missing? |
| 08:38.57 | industrial | Shirik: to dismount someone else? :p |
| 08:39.05 | Shirik | huh? |
| 08:39.09 | industrial | never mind. |
| 08:39.12 | Adys | that.. doesnt dismount people |
| 08:39.18 | Shirik | we must be talking about two different things |
| 08:39.22 | industrial | yes. |
| 08:39.56 | Shirik | Adys |
| 08:40.01 | Shirik | .NET rocks for unit tests |
| 08:40.06 | Shirik | admit it |
| 08:40.27 | Adys | And Python rocks at not needing unit tests |
| 08:40.39 | Shirik | anything that "doesn't need unit tests" is fundamentally broken |
| 08:40.48 | Adys | fair enough |
| 08:40.55 | Adys | but .NET needs twice more |
| 08:41.04 | Shirik | However, I had actually considered coming up with a language that allowed you to write unit tests in the code |
| 08:41.09 | Shirik | I think some already exist |
| 08:41.22 | Adys | huh |
| 08:41.26 | Adys | you dont need a language for that |
| 08:41.27 | Shirik | like an extension of contractual programming |
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| 08:41.33 | industrial | I've been avoiding learning unit testing for a long time :p |
| 08:41.45 | Shirik | you shouldn't, industrial |
| 08:41.54 | industrial | it seems so much work |
| 08:42.10 | Shirik | It's a lot more work finding a bug that's hidden |
| 08:42.21 | Adys | to be fair |
| 08:42.23 | Adys | depends on the project |
| 08:42.35 | Shirik | Unit tests thrive on two fundamental problems: |
| 08:42.37 | Adys | sigrie (the mmoc db) doesnt have a single unit test |
| 08:42.44 | Adys | however much of the backend does |
| 08:42.58 | Shirik | 1) You are likely to have some kind of bug, and thus there is a significant cost to find it if it's deep in your code |
| 08:43.02 | zenzelezz | unit tests are pretty nice, but they only help against certain types of bugs; the ones the programmer can think of when writing them |
| 08:43.29 | Adys | thats the useless kind of unit test when you're working alone on a project |
| 08:43.48 | Adys | I focus on unit tests that just future-proof a project |
| 08:43.50 | Shirik | 2) You are likely to have to change code later, and unit tests help give you the peace of mind that your change won't adversely affect anything else |
| 08:44.16 | Shirik | zenzelezz: The project I'm working on right now uses a separation of concerns approach |
| 08:44.34 | Shirik | We have a function specification. One person implements it, another implements the unit tests. |
| 08:44.37 | zenzelezz | Shirik: "Asteroids do not concern me"? |
| 08:44.39 | Shirik | The two never talk to each other otherwise. |
| 08:45.28 | Shirik | The person who implemented something is never allowed to perform his own verification |
| 08:45.31 | industrial | zenzelezz: when one strikes it will be an integration |
| 08:46.20 | Adys | Shirik: that sounds terrible |
| 08:46.26 | Shirik | ? |
| 08:46.34 | Shirik | why would you say that? |
| 08:46.45 | Adys | two devs on the same project that dont talk to each other |
| 08:47.00 | Shirik | Well, about that function |
| 08:47.09 | Shirik | they do not share ideas. If they do, you will lose your verification quality. |
| 08:47.49 | Adys | i dont see the point |
| 08:48.23 | Shirik | Consider different interpretations of the specification. If they share ideas, then they will both focus on the same (potentially wrong) specification. |
| 08:48.38 | Adys | and? |
| 08:48.42 | Shirik | If the specification is unclear, then it is likely the test will fail because of mismatch |
| 08:48.58 | Shirik | Violating the specification is bad! |
| 08:49.01 | Adys | what kind of project is that? |
| 08:49.01 | Shirik | What do you mean "and"? |
| 08:49.38 | industrial | Boredom strikes you for 9000 (1 overkill). |
| 08:49.40 | Shirik | a complex controls system for an automobile |
| 08:49.53 | Adys | right |
| 08:49.54 | Shirik | it's safety-critical stuff, so things like these are pulled up |
| 08:50.09 | Shirik | I go to an Aviation school, so this is the kind of stuff we learn |
| 08:50.26 | Adys | that doesnt mean its a good thing |
| 08:50.27 | Adys | its situational |
| 08:50.30 | Shirik | and yes, the aviation industry really does this on a daily basis :P |
| 08:50.34 | Shirik | Well sure |
| 08:50.46 | Shirik | You shouldn't do this on some random web app |
| 08:50.56 | Shirik | or calc.exe |
| 08:51.20 | Shirik | probably wouldn't hurt for IE though |
| 08:51.29 | Shirik | god knows those guys can't read specifications worth a damn |
| 08:51.38 | industrial | haha |
| 08:52.16 | industrial | i think they just have some management layer thats composed entirely of pricks; 'no, we have to have our own version of this' |
| 08:52.36 | industrial | 'and it must suck so everyone needs to hack their work to make it work' |
| 08:53.36 | industrial | that will teach them to choose free software! |
| 09:02.32 | Shirik | someone raised an interesting point to me a while ago |
| 09:02.57 | Shirik | Most web developers initially (or only) target IE because that's what average grandma will be running on. |
| 09:03.09 | Shirik | Average grandma is running on that because it's what came with the computer. |
| 09:03.29 | Arrowmaster | IE6 came with the computer |
| 09:03.32 | Shirik | However, it seems arguable that if her computer came with Ubuntu instead of Windows, she wouldn't have known the difference and would have instead learned to use the basics of Linux instead of the basics of Windows. |
| 09:03.41 | Arrowmaster | if they are still targetting IE6 they should be shot |
| 09:03.52 | Shirik | KDE4 is quite windowsish |
| 09:04.24 | Arrowmaster | people couldnt tell the difference between KDE4 and Vista |
| 09:04.42 | Shirik | exactly |
| 09:04.45 | zenzelezz | y |
| 09:04.48 | Shirik | so why does everyone continue to use windows? |
| 09:04.50 | zenzelezz | -y |
| 09:05.13 | zenzelezz | because both Vista's UI and KD4 are unpleasant |
| 09:05.18 | zenzelezz | +E |
| 09:05.21 | Shirik | I like to think of it as a chicken and the egg thing |
| 09:05.28 | zenzelezz | I am again suffering packet loss in my typing |
| 09:05.38 | Shirik | People use Windows because programs don't work elsewhere |
| 09:05.48 | Shirik | People don't write applications except for Windows because everyone uses Windows |
| 09:05.56 | Shirik | (please ignore the sweeping generalizations) |
| 09:06.26 | Arrowmaster | and beat any java dev that comes piping in saying their stuff works on all systems with a wiffle bat |
| 09:06.41 | Shirik | lol |
| 09:06.47 | zenzelezz | Arrowmaster: but most systems don't have a wiffle bat |
| 09:07.08 | Shirik | .NET works on all OSes just as well as Windows |
| 09:07.11 | Arrowmaster | every programming office should have a wiffle bat |
| 09:07.17 | Shirik | dude |
| 09:07.21 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: does not |
| 09:07.22 | Shirik | campus safety took away our bat |
| 09:07.35 | Shirik | we had a little foam noodle that we used |
| 09:07.44 | Shirik | and apparently they didnt' like us hitting around a beachball in the lab |
| 09:08.10 | Shirik | We don't know whose it was though, lol |
| 09:08.14 | Shirik | it was just sitting in there |
| 09:08.32 | Arrowmaster | not all of .NET works outside of windows |
| 09:08.42 | zenzelezz | never play with strangers' bats; you never know where they've been |
| 09:08.47 | Arrowmaster | large parts of it will never work on anything except windows |
| 09:08.47 | Shirik | well it does in theory Arrowmaster :P |
| 09:08.48 | Shirik | that's the point |
| 09:10.17 | Shirik | wow |
| 09:10.28 | Shirik | my wireless is operating faster than my wired network |
| 09:10.29 | Shirik | :( |
| 09:10.45 | Arrowmaster | 108mbit? |
| 09:10.53 | Shirik | no, just 54 |
| 09:11.02 | Shirik | but it seems that I'm limited to 10mbps on the wire for some reason |
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| 09:14.38 | Lothaer | sup guys and gals |
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| 09:24.48 | Lothaer | is the Ony pet available yet? |
| 09:25.31 | Arrowmaster | dont think so |
| 09:26.45 | tem | it'll probably be available in the same way the baby blizzard bear |
| 09:26.50 | tem | was available last year |
| 09:27.05 | Shirik | wow |
| 09:27.10 | Shirik | downloading at 2MB/sec |
| 09:27.14 | Shirik | craziness |
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| 09:27.29 | Cruciformer | does Lua's loadstring() work in wow? |
| 09:27.32 | Lothaer | yeah i just read a post its gonna be available in November |
| 09:27.59 | Shirik | Cruciformer: Partially |
| 09:28.14 | Cruciformer | how partially? |
| 09:28.25 | Shirik | you cannot load compiled bytecode |
| 09:28.50 | Cruciformer | but I can allow a user to type code into an editbox and use it in my mod? |
| 09:29.08 | Shirik | sure |
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| 09:36.18 | Wobin | http://cs5.org/?p=147 |
| 09:36.20 | Wobin | is kinda awesome |
| 09:37.16 | Shirik | awesome, but sigh |
| 09:41.36 | Wobin | http://community.livejournal.com/worldofwarcraft/8068062.html?style=mine#cutid1 |
| 09:41.40 | Wobin | rarr fuck the OP =P |
| 09:41.47 | Wobin | TANKING IS SUPER FUN |
| 09:41.55 | Wobin | WHY WON'T YOU TANK? |
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| 10:00.26 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/ohb.jpg |
| 10:00.30 | Adys | no wonder the client is 16gb |
| 10:00.42 | Adys | instances with like two thirds that arent even accessible |
| 10:01.47 | Codayus | Not sure if they ever fixed it, but in Karazhan you used to be able to get to ZG. |
| 10:01.58 | Adys | yah I know |
| 10:02.08 | Adys | zg itself had a huge terrain around it too |
| 10:02.10 | Adys | half of blasted lands |
| 10:02.39 | Codayus | Heh |
| 10:05.05 | ZorbaBeta | that might not take as much space as you'd expect though. I mean, the WoW terrain meshes are not exactly information-dense, and I assume their textures are mixed in some similarly simple fashion |
| 10:05.53 | tem | I'd also like to think that those heavily reused areas are only present once |
| 10:06.13 | tem | especially the really large ones like entire zones included in an instance for when you look out of a window |
| 10:06.29 | ZorbaBeta | it'd be interesting to see a breakdown of where WoW's bytes go |
| 10:06.37 | tem | Adys, btw, is that a screenshot of my mage at level 60? |
| 10:06.42 | tem | because it might as well be |
| 10:06.45 | Adys | its mine at lvl 80 <3 |
| 10:06.51 | Adys | did you have the warsong tabard too? |
| 10:06.57 | tem | sure did |
| 10:07.07 | tem | justicar title when it came out |
| 10:07.09 | Adys | sapphiron drape? |
| 10:07.11 | Adys | yeah same |
| 10:07.20 | ZorbaBeta | entity models, prop models, animations, sounds, gear textures, other textures, terrain, music |
| 10:07.21 | tem | Sapphiron drape was my first epic ever |
| 10:07.28 | ZorbaBeta | I suspect those are the big categories, but who really knows |
| 10:07.33 | tem | but by the time I had full t2 I think I was using the one from ZG |
| 10:07.48 | tem | Cloak of Consumption? |
| 10:07.54 | Adys | think thats it yeah |
| 10:08.31 | Adys | ZorbaBeta: to be fair Im interested too now |
| 10:09.06 | tem | there is certainly a lot of music in wow |
| 10:09.16 | tem | most likely not gigabytes worth of it, though |
| 10:09.21 | ZorbaBeta | it probably wouldn't be all *that* tough to plow into the MPQs and figure it out |
| 10:09.22 | Adys | cant take more than 1gb |
| 10:09.28 | ZorbaBeta | I've heard 25 hours |
| 10:09.39 | nevcairiel | I bet music/sounds is most of the space |
| 10:09.42 | ZorbaBeta | depending on what quality it's stored at, I could believe more than 1gb |
| 10:09.50 | tem | maybe once you include all sounds you get to a good bit of space, though |
| 10:10.26 | ZorbaBeta | nev, I dunno, textures stack up faster than you'd expect. I could see textures being a major chunk of that, considering Blizzard's obsession with recoloring |
| 10:10.39 | ZorbaBeta | and I'm pretty sure recolors are stored "baked-in", not rendered on-the-fly |
| 10:10.48 | Adys | yeah they are |
| 10:10.52 | tem | I'm certain they are |
| 10:10.58 | tem | I've seen it myself in the mpqs |
| 10:11.11 | tem | in the one bit of digging around I did |
| 10:11.24 | tem | sometime in the pvp ranking ratrace |
| 10:11.31 | tem | when I couldn't stand the look of my mage |
| 10:11.55 | tem | speaking of hating the look of my mage, the northrend cloth is fucking horrible |
| 10:12.10 | tem | I need to get her to 80 and get some raid gear because this shit is unbearable |
| 10:12.21 | tem | even the heirloom stuff is ugly |
| 10:12.23 | nevcairiel | leveling gear is always ugly |
| 10:12.35 | tem | I've never had leveling gear on my mage >.> |
| 10:12.44 | tem | well, post 60 anyway |
| 10:12.58 | nevcairiel | why do you now? no 70 epics? |
| 10:13.01 | tem | Also, I thought the northrend plate set was badass |
| 10:13.24 | tem | I abandonned my mage at 70 when I hit 1838 and then lost 14 games in a row to lock/druid |
| 10:13.29 | ZorbaBeta | the northrend plate set was awesome until I wore the same shoulders in slightly different colors for ten levels and a bunch of instances |
| 10:13.56 | ZorbaBeta | seriously, at one point I had four different plate shoulders in my inventory, with the identical model, and *three* different colors |
| 10:14.00 | ZorbaBeta | they *hadn't even recolored one set* |
| 10:14.02 | ZorbaBeta | come on guys |
| 10:14.32 | tem | ZorbaBeta, I have 12 sigils |
| 10:14.36 | tem | all of them have the same icon |
| 10:14.40 | tem | w |
| 10:14.41 | tem | t |
| 10:14.41 | tem | f |
| 10:14.41 | ZorbaBeta | haha, ouch |
| 10:14.57 | ZorbaBeta | at least they generally give me unique icons for most of my gear |
| 10:15.09 | ZorbaBeta | (which admittedly makes it even more mindboggling when you put it on and it looks absolutely the same) |
| 10:15.20 | tem | heh |
| 10:15.24 | tem | I really didn't mind that |
| 10:15.41 | tem | but my DK was my main so I upgraded those blue things to the t7 pretty quickly |
| 10:16.06 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I never seriously raided before wrath |
| 10:16.11 | tem | on my druid I refused to take off my t6 shoulders |
| 10:16.19 | tem | I just replaced them yesterday with t9 >.> |
| 10:16.19 | ZorbaBeta | so I leveled up, then started doing heroics, then eventually said "hmm, I seem to be done with heroics, what now" |
| 10:16.55 | ZorbaBeta | then got into naxx25 right before 3.2 and got like six upgrades in a single run, ended up 250 DKP in the hole :D |
| 10:17.05 | tem | ew. |
| 10:17.16 | tem | I didn't think anyone actually used dkp anymore |
| 10:17.23 | tem | I don't know of any guilds on my server that do |
| 10:17.31 | ZorbaBeta | it's a handy way to get rid of arguments. I've heard a lot of loot council horror stories |
| 10:17.44 | ZorbaBeta | DKP just sort of works, if you don't have a braindamaged system |
| 10:17.46 | tem | I've had exceptional success with loot council |
| 10:17.54 | tem | we screwed up once |
| 10:17.56 | tem | early on |
| 10:18.04 | tem | and we feel terrible about it |
| 10:18.08 | ZorbaBeta | loot council's great if you can rely on your guild to not be drama whores and your leaders to be sane |
| 10:18.11 | tem | and haven't screwed up since then |
| 10:18.22 | tem | I haven't seen _any_ loot drama |
| 10:18.36 | ZorbaBeta | unfortunately, on my server, the population is so low that you're pretty much guaranteed a few drama whores. dkp keeps things reasonably quiet. |
| 10:18.41 | tem | the guild I'm in now just /rolls |
| 10:18.49 | tem | which is not at all what I was expecting |
| 10:19.00 | tem | and people are just not assholes about loot |
| 10:19.05 | ZorbaBeta | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.17 | tem | if somebody REALLY wants something people don't mind passing it to them |
| 10:19.29 | ZorbaBeta | really, every system works best if you avoid drama and assholishness. we've got our DKP system rigged so we're never doing anything retarded like DEing upgrades or offspec gear |
| 10:19.36 | ZorbaBeta | and it generally trucks along |
| 10:19.49 | tem | I've only had a couple "run ins" with DKP |
| 10:19.54 | tem | and I hated it |
| 10:20.03 | ZorbaBeta | what was the problem you had with it? |
| 10:20.13 | tem | both systems were horrible and generated a sort of competition between players of the same class |
| 10:20.23 | tem | it generated an animosity that doesn't belong betwee teammates |
| 10:20.30 | tem | between* |
| 10:21.09 | ZorbaBeta | huh, we never really had animosity. I mean, the Blade of Incredible Death drops, everyone bids up to 800dkp or so before running out of available DKP, someone gets it, whoever has the most DKP will get the other one |
| 10:21.13 | ZorbaBeta | er, next one |
| 10:21.27 | nevcairiel | we never had any real issues with DKP |
| 10:21.33 | ZorbaBeta | and whoever got it, got it because he either didn't buy as much, or he showed up to more raids, both of which are, y'know, pretty justified |
| 10:21.34 | nevcairiel | but we were a friendly guild all in all |
| 10:22.38 | tem | The whole system allowed too much strategising |
| 10:23.00 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, that can be a bit of a problem. we have an informal ban against collusion, and we'd probably tell people to knock it off if they were doing so |
| 10:23.08 | ZorbaBeta | otherwise it's just sort of a little metagame that isn't much of a problem |
| 10:23.13 | tem | If you played the system just right, you could get more loot than other people who had the same attendance |
| 10:23.37 | ZorbaBeta | I guess we just don't see that as a big problem - if you're doing so (and I sure as hell do so :P) it's because you're not pushing for top performance early on |
| 10:24.01 | ZorbaBeta | some people find it important to grab as many upgrades as they can, some are more content to bide their time and improve gradually. everyone gets what they want |
| 10:24.13 | tem | it was like adding another layer of "game" on top of just raiding |
| 10:24.14 | tem | I hated that |
| 10:24.27 | tem | I enjoy raiding, not figuring out how best to screw other people out of loot |
| 10:24.28 | ZorbaBeta | I guess the advantage is that, if you don't want to play that game, you don't have to |
| 10:24.37 | ZorbaBeta | just bid on whatever you want for however much you think it's worth at that point |
| 10:24.42 | tem | I guess like I felt like I had to |
| 10:25.06 | tem | I still wanted loot, and I "knew" that I didn't, I'd be the one getting screwed out of loot |
| 10:25.17 | nevcairiel | I stopped saving for special stuff a long time ago, i just bet whenever something good dropped |
| 10:25.27 | tem | then again, this was back in the days of 40 man raiding |
| 10:25.29 | nevcairiel | and from the feel of it, so did most people |
| 10:25.57 | tem | I _much_ prefer the system I'm in now |
| 10:26.13 | tem | the only problem is getting the boss to drop the items I want |
| 10:26.18 | ZorbaBeta | nev, yeah, I pretty much do the same thing. I just don't value "good stuff" as much as other people when it first drops |
| 10:26.29 | ZorbaBeta | burning a month's worth of DKP on the first 3.2 drops seems silly, we'll see more of them later :P |
| 10:26.49 | tem | I'd burn a month's worth of dkp on a 3.2 weapon |
| 10:27.00 | ZorbaBeta | (although we got three Mimiron's Inferno Couplings in a row when 3.2 started, and have never seen one since, so . . . I guess that doesn't always work) |
| 10:27.10 | ZorbaBeta | (er, 3.1) |
| 10:27.11 | tem | well, actually I wouldn't because none of the ToC weapons are particularly nice for me |
| 10:27.22 | ZorbaBeta | tem, yeah, I would too |
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| 10:27.36 | ZorbaBeta | I swear my Last Laugh is getting rust on it at this point :( |
| 10:27.37 | tem | but when we finally see an OEB drop from Ony I plan to make it mine |
| 10:27.49 | tem | I feel that pain |
| 10:28.03 | tem | I wore my Inevitable defeat from december until june |
| 10:28.34 | tem | it took farming ulduar from april whatever until june for me to even see a 2h weapon drop in the place |
| 10:29.25 | tem | and I just realized it's 5:30 am |
| 10:29.25 | tem | .. |
| 10:30.39 | ZorbaBeta | wtf, is there actually no tanking weapon in totc25? or does wowhead just not have it yet? |
| 10:31.14 | tem|afk | there is |
| 10:31.17 | tem|afk | I've seen it drop |
| 10:31.47 | tem|afk | the only 2hander is an ugly axe with armor pen which is why I'm holding out for the OEB from ony |
| 10:31.52 | tem|afk | it's perfect for tanking |
| 10:31.55 | ZorbaBeta | there's one in the trial chest, there's one in 10man, I can't find one in 25man |
| 10:33.07 | tem|afk | wait.. I can't find it either |
| 10:33.20 | ZorbaBeta | I think there literally is none |
| 10:33.43 | tem|afk | lol what a terrible instance |
| 10:34.03 | ZorbaBeta | at least there's a reasonably good shield |
| 10:34.08 | tem|afk | I hope they never do something ever again as halfass as CC feels to me |
| 10:34.18 | ZorbaBeta | I'm still carrying around my ulduar10 shield :( |
| 10:35.09 | ZorbaBeta | and the totc25 shield basically looks like ass |
| 10:35.16 | ZorbaBeta | at least, for alliance, it's pretty sweet for horde |
| 10:35.22 | ZorbaBeta | man, alliance totally got ripped off on some of those models |
| 10:35.29 | tem|afk | there's http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/47810/crusaders-glory/ in the 10 man |
| 10:35.33 | tem|afk | totally agree |
| 10:35.39 | tem|afk | the alliance plate set is aweful |
| 10:35.41 | tem|afk | awful |
| 10:35.49 | tem|afk | the horde plate set looks down right badass |
| 10:35.50 | ZorbaBeta | I actually really like alliance plate so I'm not going to agree with you there ;) |
| 10:36.00 | tem|afk | it probably looks okay on a warrior or pally |
| 10:36.06 | tem|afk | but it looks rediculous on a human DK |
| 10:36.08 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, it'd look weird on a DK |
| 10:36.10 | tem|afk | I hate it |
| 10:36.23 | ZorbaBeta | compare http://www.wowhead.com/?item=46963#screenshots with http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47260#screenshots |
| 10:36.33 | ZorbaBeta | do you want to tank using a weird metal thing? |
| 10:36.45 | ZorbaBeta | or do you want to tank with a FUCKING COFFIN LID WITH A SKULL |
| 10:36.52 | tem|afk | I'm not a fan of my t8 either :/ it's recycled models from 1.12 ffs |
| 10:37.04 | ZorbaBeta | I mean I got tired of skulls back with my t7 shoulders, but goddamn. So much better than the weird metal thing. |
| 10:37.41 | tem|afk | the alliance version feels pretty ulduar |
| 10:37.57 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, it does |
| 10:37.57 | tem|afk | looks like a model they didn't use in ulduar so they used it here |
| 10:38.11 | ZorbaBeta | I'd rather see something elegant with steel and wood |
| 10:38.14 | ZorbaBeta | not that weirdass thing |
| 10:38.34 | tem|afk | tbh, if Icecrown isn't pretty amazing, I'll probably quit raiding |
| 10:38.45 | ZorbaBeta | ah, I won't. I really like the totc fights |
| 10:38.51 | ZorbaBeta | Twin Valkyr is just seriously fun |
| 10:38.58 | tem|afk | twin valkys is okay |
| 10:39.11 | tem|afk | I really like the Gormok phase of northrend beasts |
| 10:39.15 | ZorbaBeta | the instance and the lore they basically dropped on the floor and used as a mop, but the fights are really entertaining |
| 10:39.16 | tem|afk | the rest of that fight is meh |
| 10:39.28 | ZorbaBeta | I think Icehowl goes on a bit too long |
| 10:39.42 | ZorbaBeta | it's not challenging, either you die in the first thirty seconds, someone botches their run-away, or you win |
| 10:39.52 | tem|afk | faction champions is just lame and has no business in a raid dungeon |
| 10:40.09 | ZorbaBeta | I don't mind FC at all, myself. It's still PvE technique, you can basically predict what all the guys will do |
| 10:40.17 | ZorbaBeta | you just have to deal with them in new ways |
| 10:40.18 | tem|afk | it's like they said "How much can we piss of tanks in one encounter" |
| 10:40.31 | tem|afk | I'm worthless as a tank on that fight |
| 10:40.34 | ZorbaBeta | and I have a lot of fun with it because it's not the old tank/spank :D |
| 10:40.42 | ZorbaBeta | see, I'm awesome as a tank on that fight, which is why I enjoy it ;) |
| 10:40.43 | tem|afk | I just put on my dps gear and go dps spec |
| 10:40.55 | tem|afk | I don't have stuns or any real CC |
| 10:41.05 | tem|afk | so count me out of the useful pile |
| 10:41.10 | ZorbaBeta | I do feel like not every spec has real utility there, though |
| 10:41.14 | ZorbaBeta | I'm lucky in that prot warriors do |
| 10:41.36 | ZorbaBeta | but many don't, and I can't blame them for being annoyed. if they want more fights like that - and I wouldn't mind more fights like that - they need to give more classes the appropriate tools to deal with them |
| 10:41.40 | tem|afk | My primary attack does half damage the whole fight >.> |
| 10:41.54 | ZorbaBeta | it's *not* a PvP fight, and balance in PvP does not mean balance in FC. |
| 10:42.03 | ZorbaBeta | it's just a weird PvE fight. |
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| 10:42.32 | ZorbaBeta | I wish they'd change the debuff so you still did full damage if you only hit one target |
| 10:42.38 | ZorbaBeta | probably not possible to code, but it'd fix a lot of complaints |
| 10:43.02 | tem|afk | oh |
| 10:43.04 | tem|afk | there's http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/47506/silverwing-defender/ |
| 10:43.09 | tem|afk | in 25man hardmode |
| 10:43.44 | ZorbaBeta | yeah we'll be getting to hardmode sometime after 3.3 comes out |
| 10:43.57 | ZorbaBeta | seriously, the last time I checked wowheroes, my server was the worst. |
| 10:44.01 | ZorbaBeta | flat-out the very worst. |
| 10:44.07 | ZorbaBeta | and I am on the less progressed faction. |
| 10:44.27 | tem|afk | heh |
| 10:44.48 | tem|afk | seirously, I have to go to bed |
| 10:44.51 | tem|afk | it's almost 6 am |
| 10:45.02 | tem|afk | later guys |
| 10:45.15 | ZorbaBeta | alright, 'night :) |
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| 11:04.27 | _rane | or do I manually have to create a frame for it and set the contents etc. |
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| 14:23.10 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 14:24.35 | bluspacecow | gahhhh lag |
| 14:37.21 | Zhinjio | if you haven't seen it yet, this is pretty darn awesome. carl.sagan, stephen.hawking http://bit.ly/1YpEFu |
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| 14:58.05 | Adys | http://engrishfunny.com/2009/09/08/and-its-got-a-gun-so-dont-try-anything/ |
| 15:01.21 | Adys | Zhinjio: neat |
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| 15:20.46 | Aelobin | wheres the harvest quests 0_o |
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| 15:29.39 | Adys | IF/Org |
| 15:43.40 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 15:43.41 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
| 15:59.45 | Aelobin | lol at cog's OCD quote :P |
| 16:00.44 | Adys | updated |
| 16:06.28 | Aelobin | Adys: "I feel like I'm an Ahn'qiraj opening questgiver" lol xD |
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| 16:17.26 | Aelobin | Adys: that's enlightened me to just how scary tekkub is :P |
| 16:18.41 | Adys | you aint seen the worst bits |
| 16:22.22 | Aelobin | i read the one about his tauren dream |
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| 16:42.00 | Unindal | does anyone happen to know what the argument named value is used for in FauxScrollFrame_OnVerticalScroll |
| 16:42.47 | Iriel | Isn't it the current value of the scrollbar? |
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| 16:43.56 | Unindal | i dont think so |
| 16:44.16 | Unindal | the first two lines of the function are: |
| 16:44.18 | Unindal | local scrollbar = _G[self:GetName().."ScrollBar"]; |
| 16:44.19 | Unindal | scrollbar:SetValue(value); |
| 16:44.37 | Iriel | Right, which would make sense |
| 16:44.48 | Iriel | for an event, it'd have just been passed the new value |
| 16:45.01 | Iriel | for a mouse wheel scroll you'd be passing value +/- some offset |
| 16:45.25 | Iriel | Maybe I should have said 'the desired current value of the scrollbar', i.e. the position to scroll to |
| 16:45.47 | Unindal | i'll play with it a bit more |
| 16:46.44 | Iriel | It's been a little bit since i used the blizzard faux scroll stuff, but when I did it largely made sense, I used some of their other code (guild list, etc) for examples |
| 16:47.36 | Unindal | looking at the tradeskill atm |
| 16:49.16 | Unindal | i guess this spawns from the original OnVerticalScroll event for the tradeskill they have |
| 16:49.18 | Unindal | FauxScrollFrame_OnVerticalScroll(self, offset, TRADE_SKILL_HEIGHT, TradeSkillFrame_Update); |
| 16:49.29 | Unindal | i do not understand where teh offset comes from |
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| 16:50.38 | Iriel | I would imagine it's the current value of the scrollbar after the scroll,i.e. the number of rows from the top of the list to begin at |
| 16:50.38 | Unindal | i understand the other 3 parameters, but the offset i do not understand ... where is the value of it set at? |
| 16:50.42 | Iriel | offset == 0, top of the list |
| 16:50.47 | Iriel | offset = 1, start on 2nd item |
| 16:50.48 | Iriel | etc |
| 16:53.30 | Unindal | ok so the verticalscrollevent is fired, then I use the FauxScrollFrame_GetOffset function to get the current offset and then call the FauxScrollFrame_OnVerticalScroll function and set teh offset? |
| 16:54.11 | Unindal | whats the point of getting and then resetting it |
| 16:59.16 | Iriel | Because the FauxScrollFrame function is used for: OnVerticalScroll, OnMouseWheel, programatically moving the offset, etc |
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| 17:01.31 | Unindal | i think i might now where i am getting myself mixed up ... there are two offsets correct? |
| 17:01.53 | Unindal | one offset for the position in the list |
| 17:02.19 | Unindal | and another offset for the position of the scrollbar which is related to the offset in the list |
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| 17:07.17 | Unindal | well i give up for now, too stressful, revisit in a week i guess |
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| 17:07.26 | Unindal | thanks for the help |
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| 17:20.49 | mikma | quiet odd user |
| 17:20.58 | mikma | quite* |
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| 18:23.26 | Shirik | mikma? |
| 18:26.28 | mikma | shirik: hai |
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| 19:03.56 | foxlit | http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson450.jpg |
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| 19:15.25 | Shirik | That's another one of those sites I'll never get |
| 19:17.49 | Shirik | Is anyone else having trouble with the "Change Realm" button? |
| 19:18.32 | Shirik | This has been going on for a month now: I can use it right after I log in, but if I've been in-game for a while and then decide to change realms, I just sit at "Retrieving realm list" when I try to switch after logging out |
| 19:18.39 | Shirik | I have to fully log out, log in again, and hit the button |
| 19:18.40 | kd3 | lmao; http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson40.html |
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| 19:27.13 | Shirik | Does SVN 1.1 support logs..? |
| 19:40.25 | Thunder_Child | for all the people that complained http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson8.html |
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| 19:52.07 | DWSR | morning |
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| 20:29.56 | Shirik | oh my god I hate horrible libraries |
| 20:30.25 | Shirik | I spent 30 minutes trying to figure out why this line: |
| 20:30.26 | Shirik | Assert::AreEqual(System::String(data1[0]), System::String("data1"));// Check nothing got changed |
| 20:30.40 | Shirik | Gives this error: 1>.\DatabaseInterface-Test.cpp(46) : error C2589: 'unsigned' : illegal token on right side of '::' |
| 20:30.51 | Shirik | And I'm sitting here like "where the hell does it see 'unsigned'" |
| 20:31.57 | Shirik | I go look at the library for a sec |
| 20:31.57 | Shirik | #define String unsigned char* |
| 20:31.57 | mikma | shirik: nub |
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| 20:35.28 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 20:35.30 | Fisker | hello |
| 20:36.15 | Fisker | i just found out you can steal a car with a paintjob and a pair of license plates |
| 20:36.19 | Lopeppeppy | h hi |
| 20:36.23 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 20:37.25 | Fisker | huggles Shirik |
| 20:38.02 | Fisker | ScratchMonkey |
| 20:38.06 | Fisker | damn |
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| 20:49.06 | Lopeppeppy | Hey, Shirik. Still hurts to type. But got lonely |
| 20:49.12 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:49.15 | Shirik | what's wrong? |
| 20:50.03 | Lopeppeppy | Been talking about it all week! trigger thumb, got cortisone shot on Thurs. |
| 20:50.20 | Lopeppeppy | apologized mny times for typos dn grammar, remember? |
| 20:50.30 | kd3 | ow |
| 20:50.40 | ScytheBlade1 | !g wiki trigger thumb |
| 20:50.41 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: Trigger finger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trigger_finger> |
| 20:50.48 | ScytheBlade1 | has been meaning to look that up all week... |
| 20:51.04 | Lopeppeppy | also found that lidocaine does not work for me, so cortisone shot = extra painful |
| 20:53.04 | Shadowed | trigger thumb is awesome |
| 20:53.27 | Shadowed | and by awesome I mean terrible |
| 20:53.34 | Lopeppeppy | is very sexy painful hideous awesome, yup |
| 20:53.59 | Shadowed | I'll probably end up getting those soon, you are not making me very hopeful :> |
| 20:54.38 | Lopeppeppy | mine has no reason, yours would be video games/texting? |
| 20:56.14 | zenzelezz | comforts Lopeppeppy |
| 20:56.31 | Shadowed | actually not texting as much as coding |
| 20:56.51 | Lopeppeppy | snuggles up. |
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| 20:57.01 | zenzelezz | \o/ |
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| 21:38.41 | Fisker | outslaps zenzelezz |
| 21:40.09 | Fisker | slaps zenzelezz around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:53.54 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:53.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I just did http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=13204 |
| 21:53.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Best quest ever |
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| 21:54.43 | Sesshu| | hm the description doesn't sound like |
| 21:54.49 | TC-Away | slaps Fisker around with Windows Me |
| 21:54.57 | nevcairiel | heh i remember that one |
| 21:59.17 | Lopeppeppy | Sure... |
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| 22:44.33 | Thunder_Child | "I assume that you didnât heard about this product, neither do i, but wen i installed it, i was surprised, so easy to use, but steel so powerful, you must try it.." |
| 22:44.49 | Shirik | ? |
| 22:44.57 | Thunder_Child | ESL or a translation |
| 22:45.09 | Thunder_Child | not sure which, but it is amusing |
| 22:45.18 | Lopeppeppy | steel is very powerful, I agree |
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| 23:30.00 | ZorbaBeta | I really hope they rig it so that all epic flyers are 310% if you have a single 310% mount |
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| 23:34.59 | Fisker | aaah |
| 23:35.12 | Fisker | i just love it when forum posters posts advice better taken by themselves |
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| 23:47.35 | Shirik | there should be customizable mounts imo |
| 23:48.53 | Lopeppeppy | ooh, dye all of my mounts black! |
| 23:49.48 | Fisker | no |
| 23:49.54 | Fisker | Just give mount speed scaling |
| 23:50.29 | Shirik | speed scaling? |
| 23:50.40 | Fisker | yeah |
| 23:50.46 | Fisker | so i can get 310% speed on all of my mounts |
| 23:51.52 | Gnarfoz | BoA BoA! |
| 23:52.01 | Gnarfoz | >_> |
| 23:52.06 | Fisker | slaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:52.07 | Fisker | slaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:52.10 | Shirik | I have a BoA mount |
| 23:52.11 | Fisker | <_< |
| 23:52.16 | Fisker | >_< |
| 23:52.20 | Fisker | <_> |
| 23:52.22 | Gnarfoz | T_T |
| 23:52.23 | Gnarfoz | sleep tiems |
| 23:52.24 | Fisker | ;_; |
| 23:52.26 | nevcairiel | Shirik, a snake? cool stuff |
| 23:52.27 | Fisker | it's 2am |
| 23:52.30 | Fisker | i gotta get up in 3 hours |
| 23:52.31 | Fisker | :( |
| 23:52.37 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: something like that, yeah |
| 23:52.38 | industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:52.38 | Fisker | but someone is wrooooooooooooong |
| 23:52.39 | Shirik | snake? |
| 23:52.40 | Fisker | ON THE INTERNET |
| 23:52.41 | industrial | dyes would be awesome |
| 23:52.48 | industrial | all mmo's need dyes. |
| 23:52.49 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: can't have that now, can we |
| 23:52.54 | Fisker | nope |
| 23:53.03 | Lopeppeppy | I remember the whole dye thing in... ultima? |
| 23:53.11 | industrial | never played it :( |
| 23:53.16 | Fisker | "I do NOT think i was hacked due to battle.net as you would know if you actually read my post instead of trying to use to to jerk off on these forums. " |
| 23:53.22 | Fisker | a few posts earlier: |
| 23:53.36 | Fisker | "Nor does it change the fact that if Blizzard made account merging dependent on account verification or secret answers then many people on this forum, people like me, would not be hacked." |
| 23:53.38 | Fisker | BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW |
| 23:53.57 | Fisker | then he got his thread locked by blues :8 |
| 23:53.59 | Fisker | :( |
| 23:54.20 | Fisker | And had to go utterly fail in nitpicking our posts on an alt |
| 23:54.41 | industrial | Lopeppeppy: I've now started to palying DDO |
| 23:54.46 | Lopeppeppy | DDO? |
| 23:54.47 | industrial | -to |
| 23:54.53 | industrial | dungeons & dragons online |
| 23:54.55 | Fisker | he tried to nitpick "alright" as spelled incorrectly |
| 23:54.57 | Fisker | = i lol'd |
| 23:55.02 | Thunder_Child | the fail way to play D&D |
| 23:55.03 | Lopeppeppy | oh, is that fun indie? |
| 23:55.08 | industrial | its free to play, it looks very nice :O |
| 23:55.10 | Fisker | so now i'm nitpicking him for extra lulz |
| 23:55.13 | Lopeppeppy | I miss my roleplaying group. I want a new one. |
| 23:55.54 | industrial | I never played D&D Thunder_Child, I'm too young for that :P |
| 23:55.54 | Lopeppeppy | oh god, grow up. |
| 23:56.02 | Iriel | Of course, it's free to play because it failed as a pay-to-play MMO |
| 23:56.13 | Thunder_Child | hardly industrial |
| 23:56.18 | Fisker | Aion > DDO |
| 23:56.46 | Lopeppeppy | zing, iriel |
| 23:56.46 | Fisker | Aion would be an ok game if it wasn't for the shitty level-up experience and really really shitty UI/gameplay mechanics |
| 23:56.58 | Fisker | like for example you can't move in any way while talking to npc's |
| 23:57.13 | Fisker | Some buffs/skills only work if you don't jump while they're active |
| 23:57.15 | Fisker | i lol'd |
| 23:57.32 | Lopeppeppy | no moe night elves! |
| 23:57.35 | Arrowmaster | how long is the queue to even play the game right now? |
| 23:57.37 | Iriel | Aion (and Champions) need more content, a lot more content |
| 23:57.50 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: About 3 minutes, on a full server, instant on others |
| 23:58.02 | Arrowmaster | not what im hearing from others |
| 23:58.04 | Fisker | At the moment it just needs a somewhat ok level-up experience |
| 23:58.12 | Fisker | not to mention just a somewhat ok balance that makes the game fun |
| 23:58.22 | Fisker | For example all casters can pretty much 2-shot everything |
| 23:58.25 | Lopeppeppy | sexy |
| 23:58.33 | Fisker | While all melee classes are working their asses off just to kill one thing |
| 23:58.44 | industrial | im not sold on the asian graphics style :\ |
| 23:58.53 | Fisker | And then apparently later on everyone will have trouble killing single mobs unless they're fully buffed and gemmed/enchanted up |
| 23:58.54 | Fisker | = lulz |
| 23:59.01 | Iriel | Arrowmaster: I had no queue 20 minutes ago when I logged on |
| 23:59.07 | Iriel | Fisker: At what level is this? |
| 23:59.11 | Fisker | dunno |
| 23:59.16 | Fisker | but it should be highend |
| 23:59.51 | Fisker | i think it's pretty ridiculous that at current lvels i can barely take more than one mob at a time, and classes like clerics can easily take 2-3 mobs every time |
