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| 00:09.43 | mikma | so... |
| 00:09.56 | mikma | why does a tank warrior cast vigilance on me, when i'm tanking? |
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| 00:11.05 | theorb | Hm. The topic is a bit EDAYLATEDOLLARSHOR |
| 00:11.13 | tem | mikma, damage reduction in non-aggro sensative fights |
| 00:11.43 | msoul | they're nerfing dks by the day now |
| 00:11.45 | mikma | like, koralon? |
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| 00:11.58 | msoul | the new boss in voa is a joke |
| 00:12.00 | batrick | harro shirik |
| 00:12.07 | mikma | it is |
| 00:12.24 | Lopeppeppy | pouncles Shirik. It's the new thing. |
| 00:12.31 | msoul | i consider thadius much more harder than him |
| 00:12.50 | msoul | as thadius == retards check |
| 00:12.53 | Shirik | more harder |
| 00:13.10 | batrick | more hardest |
| 00:13.13 | msoul | and acidmaw and the other snake that i cannot remember his name |
| 00:13.19 | batrick | thanks for saying hi back shirik |
| 00:13.22 | Shirik | hi] |
| 00:13.27 | Shirik | im eating |
| 00:13.32 | msoul | yesterday for one hour we kept failing at that ophase |
| 00:13.34 | msoul | phase |
| 00:13.49 | msoul | and i wondered why on earth tanks seperate the snakes |
| 00:13.58 | theorb | Shirik: So you are sitting down and can't do anything that involves moving your arms? |
| 00:14.01 | msoul | or the tank looses aggro |
| 00:14.03 | Shirik | yup |
| 00:14.15 | msoul | hehe |
| 00:14.20 | msoul | Shirik: you play on a mac btw |
| 00:14.22 | Shirik | \i can only type with my pinky |
| 00:14.24 | msoul | i know you work on one |
| 00:14.29 | Shirik | uh |
| 00:14.38 | Shirik | no i dont |
| 00:14.43 | Lunessa | http://bash.org/?897655 |
| 00:14.44 | Shirik | i hate macs |
| 00:14.49 | msoul | aw |
| 00:15.38 | msoul | i must be mistaken |
| 00:15.38 | msoul | Play WoW with my iMac =) |
| 00:15.59 | msoul | i just wish i have a bigger screeen |
| 00:17.57 | Lunessa | Windows7 Install ... SO SLOW. Maybe I should have started it earlier. |
| 00:18.16 | Shirik | ? really? |
| 00:18.23 | Shirik | Every time I've installed it it was very fast |
| 00:18.43 | Thunder_Child | same |
| 00:18.49 | durcyn | the upgrade is like a coprolite dipped in molasses and put on ince |
| 00:18.50 | durcyn | ice* |
| 00:20.10 | Lunessa | Shirik: It's taken almost an hour to do the "Gathering" phase. |
| 00:21.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: yeah, upgrade = bad |
| 00:22.19 | Lunessa | SBO - I wanted to do an in-place upgrade. |
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| 00:26.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, that was a bad idea if you're on a timetable |
| 00:26.13 | Lunessa | Meh, I can let it run over night and go home. |
| 00:26.23 | ScytheBlade1 | You're likely going to have to |
| 00:26.28 | Lunessa | If it needs input, it can wait until tomorrow. |
| 00:27.45 | Lopeppeppy | Yay! Home is for the very deserving Lunessa! |
| 00:28.29 | Lunessa | Finally finished the "Gathering files, settings and programs" phase and it "expanding Windows files." |
| 00:28.43 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, expanison is fun in Settlers of Cataan. |
| 00:28.44 | ScytheBlade1 | How long until you go home? |
| 00:28.48 | Lopeppeppy | But not in Windoze. |
| 00:31.56 | Lunessa | SBO - my shift ended 30 minutes ago. |
| 00:33.17 | ScytheBlade1 | AH |
| 00:33.20 | ScytheBlade1 | *Ah |
| 00:35.13 | Lunessa | So, I'm going to go home now, have dinner, play wow and sleep. See you all tomorrow. |
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| 00:37.41 | Bruners | hg is mercurial ? |
| 00:38.13 | Shirik | yes |
| 00:45.28 | durcyn | the periodic table is hard |
| 00:46.16 | Lopeppeppy | ... *shuts up* |
| 00:46.38 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 00:48.02 | mikma | http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t72364-3_2_2_unholy_dps_scourge_strike_its_love_story/ <- <3 |
| 00:53.24 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siOHh0uzcuY&feature=player_embedded |
| 00:53.24 | msoul | mikma: i did respec |
| 00:53.29 | Adys | I like that |
| 00:53.35 | Adys | a google video, on youtube |
| 00:53.39 | Adys | uploaded by a google employee |
| 00:53.39 | msoul | mikma: the 16/0/55 one |
| 00:53.52 | Adys | of 42 minutes, which is way above the normal youtube limit |
| 00:53.59 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy ignores me lately :< |
| 00:54.00 | Adys | with a description beginning with |
| 00:54.02 | Adys | "Note: Higher quality version on Vimeo: http://vimeo.com/6691519" |
| 00:54.07 | msoul | mikma: the only thing i don't get is my ap is 4690 with blood spec and it drops dramatically with unholy to 4312 |
| 00:54.51 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sorry, Shirik.. I'm not feeling my very best, and it's hard to follow words. I lurvs you still, I promise. Cross my heart cookies promise. |
| 00:55.02 | Shirik | :( Go to sleep |
| 00:55.31 | Lopeppeppy | Meds are due at 9:30, then sleep. |
| 00:55.44 | msoul | it could be the sigil that gives 200 str for 20sec that boosts ap a little |
| 00:56.02 | msoul | sigil of verulence |
| 00:59.36 | Lopeppeppy | virulence? |
| 01:00.05 | msoul | yeah that's the one |
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| 01:13.51 | Shirik | "Well if you really want to be picky he should cast pron earlier since it has a long CD. Even if he's specced into readiness he'll only get 2 pops per fight. Also should use jack as his filler since beer has an arcane-blast mechanic and becomes less bladder-efficient with each use. Using tequila gems would prevent the hangover debuff as well. If he wants to maximize his Drunk-PS time he should dual-wield monitors |
| 01:13.56 | Shirik | My guild is strange |
| 01:14.19 | Adys | I just clicked some app which overlayed xchat when you posted that |
| 01:14.24 | Adys | all I saw was "cast pron" |
| 01:14.33 | Adys | I pondered clicking xchat again |
| 01:16.04 | Shirik | what were you going to do? |
| 01:16.09 | Shirik | Dodge IRC for the rest of the night? |
| 01:16.14 | Adys | WHY NOT |
| 01:17.17 | Adys | hey Fisker ! |
| 01:24.46 | Lopeppeppy | dodges |
| 01:28.59 | jnwhiteh | HoN anyone? I'm in a 2v2 AR that needs two more, and I have a spot open on my team :P |
| 01:31.12 | Adys | anyone not having any object on world maps? |
| 01:31.14 | Adys | in bgs |
| 01:33.37 | kd3 | only if I log in mid-match and the client hasn't fully synched |
| 01:34.15 | Adys | yeah |
| 01:34.18 | Adys | seems so |
| 01:34.27 | Lopeppeppy | Post patch blues, in a different color. |
| 01:34.42 | Adys | also its not a sync problem |
| 01:34.50 | Adys | battle map is fine |
| 01:40.37 | Dagmar | Looks like Yahtzee got over whatever was messing with his head last week |
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| 01:40.45 | Dagmar | He's back to panning games. Yay! |
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| 02:05.51 | bleeter | http://www.cabel.name/2009/09/windows-7-party.html |
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| 02:16.28 | ScytheBlade1 | whoo, just did a 32 token run despite messing up a fair bit |
| 02:17.44 | Hjalte | 34 seems to be what I do on a good day. What's the most you can do? |
| 02:17.56 | ScytheBlade1 | likely 34 |
| 02:18.37 | Hjalte | So, does US have more Brewfest quests this year than EU? |
| 02:18.52 | ScytheBlade1 | .. why would it? |
| 02:20.12 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, I believe some quests were hotfixed out of EU, or at least that's the QQ I heard. |
| 02:20.54 | Lopeppeppy | The usual complaints about content from various countries, but I forget which quests were axed. |
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| 02:34.56 | bleeter | heh so GMs won't go anywhere near racial vilification/anti-semitism etc. if it's in guild chat |
| 02:35.10 | bleeter | i thought that was one of the areas of guild chat that they did 'police' |
| 02:42.10 | Tepel | Heh, our guild would have been disbanded ages ago |
| 02:42.29 | Tepel | Not to mention the amount of referrals to pedobear |
| 02:43.19 | bleeter | i'm now curious as to whether I could get actioned for calling them out in /trade ;) |
| 02:43.24 | bleeter | ie, get done for harassment |
| 02:47.27 | Tepel | NO idea |
| 02:49.43 | tem | bleeter, just leave the guild if it bother you so much |
| 02:49.57 | tem | or kick the offending parties if you have power |
| 02:50.01 | tem | Tinmw0wAP |
| 02:50.09 | tem | sigh |
| 02:50.59 | bleeter | tem: even if I do leave, the question of letting people know they're anti-semites remain |
| 02:51.48 | bleeter | and whether an 'ad' such as this would be harassment |
| 02:52.16 | bleeter | 'Do you hate Jews? Then join <guild>, where jew is more than a noun, it's an adjective and a verb!' |
| 02:53.16 | tem | I think you ought to also consider if it's actual anti-semitism going on |
| 02:54.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 02:56.24 | tem | I've used jew as a verb before but I don't hate jews |
| 02:56.39 | tem | sometimes, steriotypes can be funny if you're willing to be lighthearted |
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| 02:57.17 | bleeter | tem: don't jew the guild vault? <player> is such a jew? blizzard jewed me out of loot? you'd say those types of things? |
| 02:57.43 | bleeter | hmm maybe there's a cultural difference going on here |
| 02:57.47 | tem | definitely |
| 02:57.55 | tem | those things can be funny if said without malice |
| 02:57.58 | bleeter | would'nt be able to get away with stuff like that in public in enAU |
| 02:58.29 | tem | you play on a US server? |
| 02:58.34 | Arrowmaster | i think entire guilds ive been in would have been banned if blizzard check guild chat for stuff like that |
| 02:59.30 | bleeter | tem: yeah, but largely irrelevant under ACMA rules, game should get blocked ;) |
| 02:59.44 | tem | oh _wow_ |
| 02:59.50 | tem | I just got paid 200g to make some bracers |
| 03:00.21 | Dagmar | Not bad |
| 03:01.11 | tem | Yay for being the guild BS! |
| 03:01.26 | tem | having new patterns is aparently very profitable |
| 03:08.00 | Thunder_Child | i dont need a guild to do BS...i dont even need wow |
| 03:09.23 | tem | Thanks, Thunder_Child. You always put things into perspective |
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| 03:10.05 | Thunder_Child | i do what i can tem |
| 03:10.15 | Thunder_Child | and even what i cant |
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| 03:10.26 | NightHawkTheSane | isn't that the point of BS? :P |
| 03:10.46 | Thunder_Child | for me it's a way of life |
| 03:11.52 | tem | whoosh~~~ |
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| 03:31.28 | ScytheBlade1 | sorry ahead of time for this |
| 03:31.29 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.addictinggames.com/redremover.html |
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| 03:36.00 | kd3 | heh, sweet |
| 03:37.17 | ScytheBlade1 | 23:30 < ScytheBlade1> sorry ahead of time for this |
| 03:42.01 | NightHawkTheSane | i hate flash games with loud obnoxious music :( |
| 03:42.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Loud music?? |
| 03:42.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I didn't have any music |
| 03:42.30 | kd3 | right-click turn off |
| 03:46.12 | ScytheBlade1 | oh crap |
| 03:46.18 | ScytheBlade1 | right after beating 30 |
| 03:46.27 | ScytheBlade1 | it unlocks a "beat all of the levels.. ON PAR" feature |
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| 04:17.20 | Amarande | Can't play WoW while asleep. Can't play WoW while asleep. Can't play WoW while asleep. Dammit, stupid sleep. :) |
| 04:17.49 | Adys | there are other games out there |
| 04:17.59 | Seerah | is heading to bed for some sleep :p |
| 04:18.02 | Seerah | night |
| 04:18.09 | Thunder_Child | Amarande, become a pally healer, then you can |
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| 04:18.12 | Amarande | Adys: I don't think they can be played while sleeping, either, sadly :( |
| 04:18.17 | Thunder_Child | or a shammy healer |
| 04:18.25 | Adys | how about a druid |
| 04:18.27 | Amarande | hmm. |
| 04:18.29 | Amarande | "The Anub'arak encounter has been changed on all difficulties. Anubarak now attacks faster, the Nerubian Burrowers should hit a little harder, and their Expose Weakness ability now caps at 9 stacks." |
| 04:18.32 | Adys | leave a sticky or something on ^ |
| 04:18.36 | Adys | on 3 even |
| 04:18.43 | Amarande | from what I was reading on the sites when they linked what's-their-name's Recount |
| 04:18.52 | Amarande | I wasn't aware Anub'arak had problems with being too easy. heh |
| 04:19.06 | Adys | it is |
| 04:19.19 | Adys | my guild's "elite" group are almost downing anub10 hc |
| 04:19.23 | Adys | and they're a bunch of scrubs |
| 04:20.02 | Amarande | Adys: I figure if a group felt the need to adhere to a very rigid order to the point of it appears bringing what doesn't seem to be a normal 25's raid composition, it's not easy. :) |
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| 04:21.01 | Adys | a bunch of scrubs. |
| 04:21.16 | Amarande | When you feel that compelled to add extra DKs to your raid specifically because you can only come up with an effective strategy that specifically needs their abilities (which seems to be what what's-their-name did), it's not easy. :) |
| 04:21.45 | Adys | theres a difference between easy and retarded |
| 04:22.05 | Adys | was old "Gotta Go" easy? yes |
| 04:22.11 | Adys | was it retarded? pretty much |
| 04:22.12 | Thunder_Child | Adys, no can do, takes more than 1 button with a druid |
| 04:22.13 | Amarande | Granted, these tales were on Heroic. It could very well be too easy on Normal. |
| 04:22.19 | Thunder_Child | but not by much |
| 04:22.20 | Amarande | But apparently they increased the difficulty on Heroic, too. |
| 04:23.33 | Amarande | I'm also not quite sure if 10's and 25's are meant to differ with any significance on difficulty now that they separated that from the Heroic/Normal distinction. |
| 04:24.05 | Amarande | I *am* glad that the distinction seems to be making them be more willing to give some love to 10's, though. |
| 04:24.32 | Amarande | It was easy to get the impression pre-Coliseum that 25's was "real" raiding and 10's was "lite" raiding, with accordingly watered down rewards. |
| 04:24.57 | Amarande | (Which really doesn't make sense ... 25's may require more of that organizational mojo, but 10's require your raid members to actually pull their weight more :) |
| 04:25.16 | Amarande | Heh. That should be the next troll drop in Cataclysm. [Organizational Mojo]. :D |
| 04:25.35 | Amarande | (also, when are we going to start seeing [Bad Mojo]? :) |
| 04:27.08 | Amarande | "Soulstone Resurrection now fades upon entering raid combat if the character who cast it is not present." - this *is* raid specific? So I can still give a buddy my Soulstone before they go out soloing into a difficult area and they'll still keep it? Or is it actually all combat? |
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| 04:39.53 | Amarande | hmm, now the QQers are saying 3.2.2 was pushed out too soon because they wanted to bring in Ony 80 as soon as possible to give pause to people thinking of leaving WoW for Aion :| |
| 04:40.22 | Amarande | myself, the only thing I really agree with is that releasing a patch during a holiday achievement event -always- seems to cause significant issues |
| 04:41.32 | Amarande | (and why would anyone be stupid enough to leave WoW for Aion anyway, I hear in Aion, you get in line with the campers just for your shot at a rat ... heh) |
| 04:42.21 | NightHawkTheSan1 | trying to customise irssi themes gives me a headache. >< |
| 04:42.34 | Arrowmaster | i gave up on irssi |
| 04:42.39 | Arrowmaster | and only use it as a proxy |
| 04:42.48 | NightHawkTheSan1 | why, if i might ask? |
| 04:43.13 | Arrowmaster | im in way too many channels for a console based client |
| 04:43.38 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Heh, I'm sure there are people who'd disagree with that assessment, but fair enough. :) |
| 04:44.07 | NightHawkTheSan1 | I'm only in a handful, and the robustness of it appeals to me. |
| 04:44.15 | Amarande | Night: Patching in the middle of a holiday event = Good idea, or dumb^3? |
| 04:44.34 | NightHawkTheSan1 | neither. Patching when they need to patch: always a good idea. |
| 04:44.47 | Amarande | Some folks are saying 3.2.2 was released too soon. |
| 04:44.55 | NightHawkTheSan1 | some folks are idiots. |
| 04:44.59 | NightHawkTheSan1 | no.. sorry, MOST folks are idiots. |
| 04:45.01 | Thunder_Child | all folks are idiots |
| 04:45.03 | Amarande | Well ... I kinda have to agree on one level |
| 04:45.20 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Thunder_Child: eh, i'm sure there's a few people, somewhere, that might not be. |
| 04:45.20 | Amarande | Brewfest is an especially lag-sensitive holiday, because of how much getting a reasonable token output per day depends on being able to do the ram race |
| 04:45.38 | Amarande | Patches ALWAYS, 100% end up causing significantly laggy servers for days afterwards. |
| 04:45.47 | Amarande | The combination causes obvious pain for people actually participating in the world event. |
| 04:45.51 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSan1, let me know if you find them, they belong in guinness |
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| 04:46.00 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Thunder_Child: indeed they do. |
| 04:46.35 | Amarande | A fair amount of QQ seems to center around the possibility that if you didn't get enough tokens Sunday and Monday, you might be screwed, depending on your server |
| 04:46.53 | Amarande | because the post-patch lag will prevent you from getting a reasonable token output until perhaps this weekend or so, depressing your total too much. |
| 04:47.23 | NightHawkTheSan1 | People who whine are idiots. there's always next year. |
| 04:47.44 | Amarande | Also, is there any truth in the idea that 3.2.2 was released because they felt providing a revamped Onyxia was an effective antidote to bored players thinking of leaving for Aion? |
| 04:48.05 | Amarande | I mean, released now, instead of polished up some more first. |
| 04:48.36 | Amarande | thinks it's stupid, simply because I've heard Aion is currently all but unplayable, but ... that's a player's opinion, a business opinion might differ. |
| 04:48.58 | Thunder_Child | the only thing thats a wow killer is if/when blizz does the ~ of wow 2 |
| 04:49.17 | Amarande | Thunder: wouldn't be surprised if WoW 2 never happens for a long long time |
| 04:49.31 | Amarande | Blizz may not be wanting to fracture the subscription base like that |
| 04:49.32 | Thunder_Child | they can only upgrade the graphics so much |
| 04:49.47 | Thunder_Child | unless they redo it..in which case it's the same thing |
| 04:49.54 | Amarande | Kinda like how EA decided to cancel Ultima Online 2 during its development because they came to the decision that it would cause too much internal competition with the current UO |
| 04:50.35 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Thunder_Child: i doubt we'll ever see wow 2 |
| 04:50.42 | Amarande | Thunder: yeah, I'm not sure a lot of people will be willing to restart their game entirely just to get better graphics |
| 04:51.02 | Amarande | especially since WoW is one of the few MMOs still friendly to low-mid end machines |
| 04:51.07 | Amarande | which is probably one of the reasons why it's so popular |
| 04:51.27 | Amarande | people are not going to want to switch to a game that forces them to buy a new gaming PC to be able to get more than 3 fps in Eversong Woods with no one else around LOL |
| 04:51.29 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSan1, hence my '~' |
| 04:51.40 | Thunder_Child | though i am sure curious about their new mmo |
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| 04:51.57 | Amarande | actually, I wonder if that may be a reason so many MMOs fail to compete with WoW |
| 04:52.04 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Thunder_Child: yeah, that's something im curious about, mostly because i'm curious what new IP they're using. |
| 04:52.16 | Arrowmaster | didnt they say they expected it to cater to a smaller set of players? |
| 04:52.23 | Amarande | they shoot themselves in the foot from the beginning by going for too high end graphics, thus pushing people with the low-mid end machines out of the market? |
| 04:52.40 | NightHawkTheSan1 | their next-gen mmo? I dont recall reading that, Arrowmaster, but I could buy that |
| 04:52.55 | Amarande | and then the people with higher end machines aren't as willing to move to the new game either, because they know a lot of their buddies won't be going |
| 04:53.04 | Thunder_Child | i think it's a combination of low grapihcs and casual playing, since casual players are usually the ones with loew end machines |
| 04:53.12 | Amarande | plus the smaller population has an impact in that most non-WoW MMOs are much less solo friendly than WoW |
| 04:53.12 | Arrowmaster | the problem with graphics is most graphics engines that arent sold by one company to another company arent optimized very well |
| 04:53.40 | Arrowmaster | the unreal graphics engines have always been amazing compared to some of the in house ones |
| 04:53.50 | Thunder_Child | cryengine |
| 04:53.52 | Thunder_Child | as well |
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| 04:54.13 | Amarande | Arrow: something to do with the target game type maybe? |
| 04:54.25 | Arrowmaster | does cryengine even scale? |
| 04:54.27 | Amarande | FPS, by and large, don't have to do as much as RPGs |
| 04:54.45 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, sure. High end to ultra high end |
| 04:54.48 | Arrowmaster | FPS tend to have the better graphics |
| 04:55.00 | Amarande | that's because FPS can afford the better graphics |
| 04:55.21 | Amarande | in an FPS, you have ... well, weapons, scenery, players, and (if it's not a deathmatch game) a usually fairly limited number of monsters |
| 04:55.35 | Amarande | the monster population of FPS has plunged through the floor since the days of the DOOM engine, after all |
| 04:55.52 | Amarande | and usually, FPS scenery is a lot more spartan than RPG scenery |
| 04:55.58 | Thunder_Child | litteral monster or NPC's in general? |
| 04:56.11 | Amarande | Thunder: most FPS have fairly few non-monster NPCs |
| 04:56.47 | Amarande | also: FPS tend to play within the rather small confines of 'levels' |
| 04:57.05 | Thunder_Child | except for the new breed of open ended FPS's |
| 04:57.08 | Amarande | most modern RPGs on the other hand, with a few exceptions like the Neverwinter Nights games, tend to push for a seamless world |
| 04:57.54 | A-KO | uh |
| 04:57.56 | Amarande | when you get into seamless world + detailed scenery + large numbers of NPCs hostile and friendly |
| 04:57.59 | Amarande | and especially large numbers of players |
| 04:58.00 | A-KO | aoc wasn't really a seamless world :P |
| 04:58.00 | Thunder_Child | what about morrowind/oblivion, FPS or RPG? |
| 04:58.09 | Amarande | Morrowind and Oblivion are RPGs. |
| 04:58.19 | Amarande | But they're not MMOs, and there's one thing in which MMOs really suffer. |
| 04:58.22 | Thunder_Child | they play like fps's |
| 04:58.36 | Amarande | Shattrath/Dalaran Lag Factor is what I'd call it, based on WoW |
| 04:58.42 | Amarande | Here's the thing. |
| 04:59.03 | Amarande | In an FPS, your players usually have a limited number of full-body models, which do not change except for a weapon at most and maybe a lighting effect for powerups. |
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| 04:59.38 | Arrowmaster | if you played morrowind/oblivion as an fps you probably fucked up majorly as you got higher level and ended up perty weak compared to the enemies |
| 04:59.39 | Amarande | In a single player, even a Morrowind/Oblivion type RPG, your player has one set of equipment to render, and often NPCs in the same area, like multiple guards for the same place, are similarly dressed. |
| 05:00.04 | Amarande | In an MMO, especially in highly populated areas like Shattrath, Dalaran, or even Orgrimmar during especially crowded times |
| 05:00.14 | Thunder_Child | thats hardly all inclusive, looks alone do not a game category make |
| 05:00.27 | Amarande | you have many NPCs, often with different garb, but moreover, you have lots of players, each of whom are wearing different pieces of gear |
| 05:00.45 | Amarande | and no matter even how good your players' video cards are, you have to load in texture data for every single different piece of gear that is visible at the time |
| 05:00.53 | Fisker | now you just ordered a thousand liters of milk Thunder_Child |
| 05:00.56 | Shirik | too much text on screen |
| 05:01.05 | Thunder_Child | but i dont like milk Fisker |
| 05:01.06 | Shirik | please use shorter sentences |
| 05:01.12 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Shirik |
| 05:01.12 | purl | slams Shirik against a large cement Tux |
| 05:01.19 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:01.31 | Shirik | was that necessary? |
| 05:01.31 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:01.37 | NightHawkTheSan1 | clearly |
| 05:01.41 | Fisker | but you just ordered it Shirik |
| 05:01.46 | Amarande | D/S LF probably will steadily worsen as graphics become more detailed (hence why MMOs that try to promise uber graphics tend to shoot themselves in the foot) |
| 05:01.51 | Fisker | also you Thunder_Child |
| 05:02.00 | Thunder_Child | how so Fisker? |
| 05:02.01 | Amarande | and there's really only two things that will help it |
| 05:02.14 | Fisker | now you just ordered a thousand liters of milk more |
| 05:02.38 | Thunder_Child | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:02.53 | Amarande | increased RAM, but that's only once things are loaded, and a lot of people will not upgrade past 2GB yet for the very practical reason that you usually upgrade in gigs, and once you get to 3GB or so you are forced to use a 64 bit OS to get all your RAM - and my experience in game help forums has been that 64-bit Windows is a lot more finicky with games than 32. |
| 05:02.56 | Fisker | thousand liters of milk |
| 05:03.24 | Amarande | or solid-state hard drives to reduce the physical hard drive thrash time which is currently a hard ceiling on how much data you can pump into a game without significant slowdown. |
| 05:03.32 | Fisker | your experience is wrong |
| 05:03.33 | Fisker | :3 |
| 05:03.59 | Amarande | (yeah, solid state hard drives are out, but they're rather ridiculously expensive for the typical consumer right now, and tend to be smaller than platter drives to boot) |
| 05:04.41 | Amarande | Fisker: I've myself yet to experience the Vista gaming issues many people report, and I keep thinking the only reason this can be so consistently so is that I run Vista 32 |
| 05:05.00 | Fisker | SSD's aren't expensive |
| 05:05.55 | Thunder_Child | Amarande, i had 64 vista and didnt have many gaming issues |
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| 05:07.54 | Amarande | There's probably the convenience issue also. If you bought Vista in a store, you were stuck with 32 unless you sent away to Microsoft for the 64 bit, which a lot of folks didn't really care to do. |
| 05:08.08 | Amarande | We might see more 64-bit gaming with W7, which actually will *gasp* include the 64 bit on the DVD |
| 05:08.51 | Amarande | And there's simply the fact that a lot of motherboards currently in use don't go past 2 or 4 GB or so. |
| 05:09.07 | Fisker | Or you just downloaded an iso online |
| 05:09.18 | Amarande | Fisker: shhh, pirate day was Saturday :) |
| 05:10.00 | Amarande | Yeah, I'd think it's probably more there's too many mobos around that won't go past 2-4 GB that's more responsible for that. |
| 05:10.15 | Fisker | what motherboards do that? |
| 05:10.27 | Amarande | I think mine only goes up to 4GB (and that's of course if I want to reinstall Windows to get the 64 bit) |
| 05:10.28 | Fisker | Must be shitty ones :o |
| 05:10.45 | NightHawkTheSan1 | eyes his .. 8? dimm slots |
| 05:10.52 | Amarande | Night: how recent is your mobo? |
| 05:10.58 | Thunder_Child | i can do 12 or 24gb, cant remember |
| 05:11.06 | NightHawkTheSan1 | something like 2-3 years |
| 05:11.07 | Amarande | mine was from the twilight of the Socket 939 era (and was one of the best boards available during that time) |
| 05:11.27 | Amarande | Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe |
| 05:11.31 | Shirik | ! |
| 05:11.35 | Shirik | I have that still |
| 05:11.40 | Shirik | it's what my server is running on, lol |
| 05:11.47 | Shirik | The very first dual 16x SLI |
| 05:12.02 | Amarande | I should SLI it, especially now that I have a power supply with some decent oomph |
| 05:12.10 | Amarande | I *had* SLI'd it with 7600GT's in the past |
| 05:12.24 | Amarande | but then I took them out and replaced them with a single HD 3870 |
| 05:12.43 | Amarande | that was during my efforts to diagnose why WoW kept crashing, which was clearly a hardware or driver issue but it was difficult to impossible to figure out what |
| 05:12.47 | NightHawkTheSan1 | of couse, even g5's produced some 5 years ago had an 8gb ram capacity |
| 05:12.58 | Amarande | First I assumed it was SLI, as taking out one video card seemed to alleviate the problems a little |
| 05:13.14 | Amarande | and I saw this dark spot on my SLI bridge which made me figure maybe that had something to do with it |
| 05:13.27 | Amarande | Still got crashes. So I looked to update the drivers ... and found I had the most recent nVidia drivers I could get for XP. |
| 05:13.41 | Amarande | So the next step was to try Vista, so I could get a newer driver ... which is how I became a Vista user and still am today. |
| 05:13.44 | Thunder_Child | anyone know some asian style music thats fast? eg. the last samurai with a fast beat? |
| 05:13.54 | Amarande | Unfortunately, Vista was not the solution. So I assumed nVidia drivers were just bad and upgraded to an ATI card |
| 05:13.56 | Amarande | And still got crashes. |
| 05:14.22 | Amarande | Apparently, it turned out I was running with defective RAM for a couple of years or so (but that that RAM fault induced a lot of useful upgrades in its diagnosis) |
| 05:14.37 | Amarande | I upgraded the hard drive trying to fix it, too |
| 05:14.55 | Amarande | since one thing I noticed was that WoW and Guild Wars were constantly needing to repair their data |
| 05:15.13 | Amarande | the good thing was I got a nice 500GB SATA, the bad thing was I threw out a perfectly good 200GB IDE drive for nothing :| |
| 05:15.21 | Fisker | durr |
| 05:15.32 | Amarande | ah well. I can't really run IDE drives comfortably in this machine anyway |
| 05:15.43 | Amarande | motherboard/case clash issues, basically |
| 05:16.14 | Amarande | the hard drive bays are such that the skinny little SATA connector will fit, but the big fat IDE plug will keep ramming into the RAM |
| 05:17.16 | Amarande | I had to run the IDE drive in the rear drive bays, which probably helped lead to the death of my first power supply |
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| 05:27.09 | Amarande | wtf. |
| 05:27.22 | Amarande | on this server on horde, the red firework is worth 20 silver a piece on the AH according to auctioneer |
| 05:27.28 | Amarande | and the blue one is only worth 15 COPPER a piece? |
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| 05:27.32 | Amarande | you'd think the blue one would be worth more :S |
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| 05:36.37 | Shirik | dododo |
| 05:36.41 | Shirik | <3 |
| 05:36.46 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 05:37.34 | Mikk | Errmmm... did 3.2.2 do something to haste? Like boost it lots? |
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| 05:41.01 | Mikk | Hm, no, nvm |
| 05:41.05 | Mikk | I shouldn't be doing maths this early |
| 05:43.14 | Shirik | wow |
| 05:43.25 | Shirik | I just spent the last hour trying to build a sponsorship package for some software I want to get |
| 05:43.32 | Shirik | only to realize we already have a license for it :( |
| 05:43.42 | Arrowmaster | lol what software? |
| 05:43.54 | Shirik | LabVIEW 2009 |
| 05:43.56 | Amarande | Shirik: fun |
| 05:44.07 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* where is iriel when you need him |
| 05:44.08 | Shirik | We already had a license for 8.6, but I grabbed the 2009 evaluation and it asked for a serial number |
| 05:44.11 | Amarande | like going all the way around Eastern Kingdoms to pick up the Deadly Scope schematic and then you check your bankalt and :facepalm :P |
| 05:44.16 | Shirik | so I said "what the hay" and threw in our 8.6 license key |
| 05:44.21 | Shirik | and apparently they've already upgraded it for us |
| 05:44.37 | Shirik | NI loves us :) |
| 05:44.41 | Amarande | except yours is probably rather more expensive, and paid in other than WoW gold :) |
| 05:45.35 | Shirik | we;; |
| 05:45.40 | Shirik | fortunately we don't pay anything |
| 05:45.52 | Arrowmaster | thieves |
| 05:45.54 | Shirik | However the software we have is upwards of $40k in retail |
| 05:46.02 | Shirik | no, they're just our sponsor |
| 05:46.08 | Thunder_Child | or $0 in torrents |
| 05:47.34 | Shirik | except when we go to a competition where they're at |
| 05:47.41 | Shirik | and they go "wait a sec, when did we give you that..." |
| 05:47.46 | Shirik | bad things are likely to happen |
| 05:48.11 | Thunder_Child | oh, well it doesnt work if you use it for something other than psersonal enjoyment |
| 05:49.02 | Amarande | ahh, good old licensing fees. |
| 05:49.22 | Amarande | too bad the world doesn't work like WoW where you can make and use anything you have the mats for without having to pay royalties :D |
| 05:49.43 | Amarande | actually that might be a good thing though |
| 05:49.58 | Amarande | if the world worked like WoW, I'm not sure anything would ever get made other than for personal use or to improve one's skill at something :) |
| 05:50.04 | Amarande | except for the occasional tip job, anyway |
| 05:51.35 | Mikk | "without having to pay royalties"? what the heck do you think you're paying at the trainer's? =P |
| 05:51.44 | Mikk | granted it's a one-time fee |
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| 05:55.38 | Thunder_Child | ~staple NightHawkTheSan1 |
| 05:55.39 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples NightHawkTheSan1 quite well, and hands NightHawkTheSan1 to thunder_child |
| 05:55.58 | NightHawkTheSan1 | sorry, futzing with this irssi theme |
| 05:56.02 | tem | ~framexml |
| 05:56.03 | purl | Official: (Mac) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.dmg, (Win) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.zip. Compare: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 05:56.54 | tem | oh god |
| 05:59.07 | NightHawkTheSan1 | "he's what freud used to call 'spooky'" |
| 06:02.12 | Shirik | and if you want to be me, be me |
| 06:02.16 | Shirik | and if you want to be you, be you |
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| 06:02.33 | Thunder_Child | what if i want you to be me? |
| 06:03.16 | Shirik | then you should be me |
| 06:03.21 | Shirik | because if you are me then that means I am you |
| 06:03.41 | tem | Is there a way to filter events in the base ui's eventtrace like there was in the original DevTools version |
| 06:03.43 | tem | ? |
| 06:03.51 | Shirik | get devtools P |
| 06:03.51 | Shirik | :P |
| 06:03.54 | Shirik | I never uninstalled it |
| 06:04.28 | tem | sigh yeah |
| 06:05.21 | NightHawkTheSan1 | test |
| 06:05.37 | Shirik | failure |
| 06:05.39 | Shirik | epoch fail |
| 06:05.44 | NightHawkTheSan1 | actually, success. :P |
| 06:05.58 | Shirik | nope |
| 06:06.06 | Shirik | I wanted you to fail, so I failed at letting you fail |
| 06:06.26 | NightHawkTheSan1 | I'm pretty sure I'm too apathetic to figure that out. |
| 06:07.18 | tem | Any idea if there is already an addon that adds show hat/cloak to the equip manager? |
| 06:07.30 | tem | I really need that feature |
| 06:07.37 | Sesshu| | http://www.motivationpics.com/images/you_fail_at_failing.jpg |
| 06:07.51 | tem | and I'm about to write it myself, but I do need to go to bed early tonight |
| 06:07.52 | NightHawkTheSan1 | I vaguely recall Antiarc having something, but I could be wrong |
| 06:08.06 | tem | so it's probably best that I don't get my fun on |
| 06:11.34 | Amarande | so, did the rolling restarts fix the Power Word Shield bug? |
| 06:11.44 | Shirik | yeah except that's not a real picture Sesshu| :P |
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| 06:13.15 | Shirik | Bluescreens are caused by double faults which are caught by the kernel and it terminates itself. If it were, for some really strange reason, to crash during that handler as well, then the CPU would trigger a triple fault, which on Intel architectures simply causes an immediate CPU halt. |
| 06:14.11 | Amarande | And on AMD architectures it causes the CPU to immediately resign its Wimbledon membership. :) |
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| 06:19.58 | Fisker | what would happen if it couldn't trap it? |
| 06:20.03 | Fisker | world owould end? |
| 06:20.09 | Fisker | would* |
| 06:21.07 | Shirik | trap what Fisker? |
| 06:21.12 | Shirik | I will trap you |
| 06:22.18 | Amarande | Fisker: a space-time rift opens and we all end up in a white void unless Philip Fry is willing to get frozen for 1,000 years |
| 06:22.47 | Shirik | I never understand time travel |
| 06:22.47 | Fisker | oh nos |
| 06:22.52 | Fisker | i meant the fault thing |
| 06:23.18 | Shirik | nobody ever bothers to explain the fact that, by changing the past, you alter the present, thus preventing you from ever changing the past in the first place |
| 06:23.26 | Fisker | farts |
| 06:23.35 | Fisker | you just ordered a thousand liters of milk |
| 06:23.40 | Shirik | casts cyclone on Fisker |
| 06:23.47 | Fisker | sigh |
| 06:23.52 | Fisker | trade channel politics |
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| 06:24.08 | Fisker | i should report every last one of them |
| 06:24.20 | Lukian | surrounds Fisker with voodoo wards |
| 06:24.20 | Shirik | I'll show you my trade channel |
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| 06:25.30 | Fisker | lol man |
| 06:25.51 | Fisker | "Unless you like your job a lot money is the first priority" |
| 06:26.05 | Fisker | Then someone says that actually the workplace itself is more important than the money |
| 06:26.19 | Shirik | I don't understand why people are willing to put themselves through misery for money... |
| 06:26.30 | Fisker | Which obviously means he didn't present any argument, but just posted random bullshit |
| 06:26.32 | Shirik | if you enjoy what you do, you will never have to work a day in your life |
| 06:26.42 | Fisker | Which apparently he didn't do himself when making the opposite claim |
| 06:26.46 | NightHawkAtWork | because having money and being miserable is better than being broke and enjoying work that you arent doing. |
| 06:26.46 | Fisker | funny how the world works today |
| 06:27.22 | NightHawkAtWork | shockingly, not everyone is able to always get a job doing what they really enjoy. |
| 06:27.43 | Shirik | well there's a difference NightHawkAtWork |
| 06:27.51 | Shirik | for those people, obviously you work for the money |
| 06:27.59 | Shirik | but if I had to decide between a job I liked and a job where I got more money |
| 06:28.05 | Shirik | I would choose the job I liked any day |
| 06:28.19 | Shirik | certainly not working is not an option |
| 06:28.42 | Fisker | you should be moar communist Shirik |
| 06:28.46 | NightHawkAtWork | its only a matter of how much money you consider to be enough |
| 06:29.08 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 06:29.13 | Shirik | you should be more green |
| 06:29.26 | NightHawkAtWork | There -is- some monetary limit at which you'd take a job you hated over a job you loved, because the money wasn't enough |
| 06:29.48 | NightHawkAtWork | now, maybe for you that limit is low. for others it might be higher. |
| 06:29.56 | Shirik | I think the lack of money would factor into enjoyment |
| 06:30.11 | Fisker | this is almost worse than trade channel! |
| 06:30.11 | Fisker | :P |
| 06:31.12 | Shirik | your mom is worse than trade channel |
| 06:33.25 | Fisker | now you just ordered a thousand liters of milk |
| 06:33.26 | Fisker | jerk |
| 06:34.48 | tem | I need a name for an addon |
| 06:34.48 | tem | it adds hat and cloak check boxes to the equip manager |
| 06:34.48 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, I knew a dude who did contract work |
| 06:34.58 | ZorbaTHut | one of his contracts was awful - *awful* - absolutely horrendous, "i never want to work here again" kind of awful |
| 06:34.59 | tem | which are then associated with a particular set |
| 06:35.10 | tem | so that I can hide my hat in one set and show it in another |
| 06:35.12 | ZorbaTHut | once he finished it, he swore never to go back, ever, and natch, a year later they asked him to come back |
| 06:35.52 | ZorbaTHut | he sat down, figured out how much he'd have to make in order to come back - some insane figure, ten times higher than he usually made - and presented it to them |
| 06:35.52 | Fisker | tekkub |
| 06:35.52 | ZorbaTHut | they accepted. |
| 06:35.52 | Fisker | damn you tekkub i meant tem |
| 06:35.52 | tem | ? |
| 06:35.52 | Fisker | anyways tem my suggestion is "NowYouJustOrderedAThousandLitersOfMilk" |
| 06:35.54 | ZorbaTHut | so he worked there for his contract term, then just stopped working for about three years and went on vacation. There's always a price! :D |
| 06:36.29 | tem | ZorbaTHut, cool story |
| 06:36.30 | NightHawkAtWork | ZorbaTHut: Hah! Hey, good for him. I have to imagine that short time of agony was worth 3 years of vacation. :) And yeah, everyone has a price :) |
| 06:36.36 | tem | I'm jealous of your friend |
| 06:36.44 | NightHawkAtWork | also, this ^^ |
| 06:37.37 | ZorbaTHut | I've considered doing something similar. high-paid contract work. advertise myself as The Dude Who Can Fix Anything, Guaranteed, and actually guarantee it (i.e. you don't pay me if I don't come up with a solution) |
| 06:40.08 | tem | I think I'll name it Shako |
| 06:40.17 | NightHawkAtWork | might have actually gotten irssi to a state i like |
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| 06:43.14 | NightHawkTheSane | tests |
| 06:45.54 | Shirik | claims failure again |
| 06:46.24 | NightHawkAtWork | bah! |
| 06:46.32 | Fisker | orders a thousand liters of milk in Shirik's name |
| 06:47.22 | Fisker | Koralon now pauses after casting Blazing Embers before casting Burning Breath. <-bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 06:47.28 | Fisker | The Val'kyr Twins will now heal for more in Heroic difficulties and ignore any heal dampening effects. <-luls? |
| 06:47.49 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 06:47.51 | Shirik | why only a thousand |
| 06:48.23 | Fisker | because |
| 06:51.19 | Antiarc | tem, NightHawkTheSane: AutomagicalChangeonater |
| 06:51.28 | Antiarc | It remembers visibility settings on a per-item basis |
| 06:51.51 | tem | hmm? |
| 06:51.53 | tem | oh |
| 06:51.58 | tem | Always show _this_ hat |
| 06:52.01 | tem | regardless of set |
| 06:52.10 | Antiarc | Right |
| 06:52.12 | tem | I like that |
| 06:52.18 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 06:52.31 | Shirik | I counter your order with two thousand gallons of milk |
| 06:52.31 | Fisker | i never got it to work Antiarc :( |
| 06:52.32 | Antiarc | If you combine it with something like HatTrick, it makes managing it really trivial |
| 06:52.36 | NightHawkTheSane | NightHawkAtWork: ping |
| 06:52.39 | NightHawkTheSane | NightHawkAtWork: ping |
| 06:52.39 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 06:52.40 | Antiarc | Fisker: Did you see my latest addon |
| 06:52.43 | Fisker | naw |
| 06:52.49 | NightHawkAtWork | (apologies for pinging myself) |
| 06:52.49 | Antiarc | http://www.wowace.com/addons/maxitemlevel/ |
| 06:52.51 | tem | I don't think that's what I want here, though |
| 06:52.56 | Fisker | yipee |
| 06:53.12 | tem | I don't always hide my helm |
| 06:53.15 | Fisker | What's the "pawn" button? |
| 06:53.23 | tem | I hide it when it doesn't match the rest of the set |
| 06:53.33 | NightHawkAtWork | Antiarc: damn you for making useful things! :P |
| 06:53.34 | Fisker | T9.5 was terrible |
| 06:53.36 | Fisker | err |
| 06:53.38 | Fisker | t8.5 |
| 06:53.40 | Fisker | for my pala :( |
| 06:53.58 | Antiarc | Fisker: Pawn is an addon that evaluates gear based on EP weights |
| 06:54.19 | NightHawkTheSane | NightHawkAtWork: ping |
| 06:54.40 | tem | I need an addon that rotates my titles now that I have more than one good one |
| 06:54.42 | Fisker | it's nice? Annoying going out of wow to load rawr :P |
| 06:55.05 | tem | Starcaller, Champion of Ulduar, the Immortal |
| 06:55.13 | Fisker | i hate you tem |
| 06:55.17 | tem | and I'm just a couple away from Conqueror of Ulduar |
| 06:55.18 | Fisker | almost did the immortal on 25-man |
| 06:55.25 | Fisker | Then on kt someone dies to a voidzone |
| 06:55.30 | tem | We skilled it up for that |
| 06:55.32 | Antiarc | It's fine, yeah, you have to input EP weights automatically, but it just gives you a sum gear score per item |
| 06:55.41 | Antiarc | I use a spreadsheet to calculate EPs, then enter them into pawn |
| 06:55.41 | tem | had a healer DC in a voidzone |
| 06:55.45 | Antiarc | Then I get gear scores in tooltips |
| 06:55.45 | tem | he got wings |
| 06:55.50 | Fisker | ;o |
| 06:55.57 | tem | AND |
| 06:56.01 | Fisker | where do you gaid said spreadsheets? ;3 |
| 06:56.09 | tem | We got an iceblock on an offtank who had adds on him |
| 06:56.22 | tem | I don't remember what they did to him to keep him alive, but it worked |
| 06:57.13 | tem | I would really, really like Astral Walker, but we haven't made any progress in that regard at all |
| 06:57.22 | tem | 25 mans just aren't happening right now |
| 06:57.31 | Fisker | Microsoft needs to disable win+r :( |
| 06:57.41 | tem | why? I like that keybind |
| 06:58.03 | Fisker | It's obsolete in Windows Vista/7 |
| 06:58.30 | theorbtwo | Fisker: How so? |
| 06:58.48 | tem | that startmenu thing isn't as good |
| 06:58.54 | Fisker | it's better infact |
| 06:59.05 | tem | it's slower |
| 06:59.13 | Fisker | your computer sucks |
| 06:59.14 | Fisker | up the ass |
| 06:59.16 | theorbtwo | It's just different, not really better or worse. |
| 06:59.37 | theorbtwo | Type-to-find is nice, but it's not a command line, you can't use it to give arguments. |
| 06:59.53 | Fisker | lol |
| 06:59.57 | Fisker | yes you can |
| 07:00.04 | theorbtwo | Blink. |
| 07:00.10 | theorbtwo | OK then, I stand corrected. |
| 07:00.19 | Fisker | and it has the added feature of being able to run elevated easily |
| 07:00.31 | Fisker | it's run except it has a better auto-complete and history feature |
| 07:00.55 | Fisker | and you can easily elevate the process using ctrl+shift+enter |
| 07:01.01 | theorbtwo | Fisker: Can it be used to run things that aren't in your start menu? |
| 07:01.07 | Fisker | yep |
| 07:01.14 | Fisker | just type like you would in run |
| 07:01.31 | theorbtwo | Thankfully, there's not that much I need to run elevated; most things it detects and asks me. |
| 07:01.40 | theorbtwo | Annoyingly, not winrar. |
| 07:01.53 | Fisker | well i use it a lot as i usually need an elevated command prompt |
| 07:02.27 | Lonny` | Well, if you're using the x86 version then you have a 4gb (3.2gb to be exact) memory barrier which can be a major performance hit, consider that Windows Vista/7 requires like 1g of ram for a starter |
| 07:03.09 | Fisker | 4GB actually |
| 07:03.23 | Fisker | amount of system memory available depends on the hardware configuration |
| 07:04.36 | Lonny` | It's 3gb not 4gb if you consider the conserved memory on 32 bit system, it's about 3gb for a process |
| 07:05.21 | Grum | no fister is right, it depends on which extension slots are in use |
| 07:05.32 | Lonny` | Right... |
| 07:05.33 | Lonny` | haha |
| 07:05.47 | Fisker | and kernel mode memory vs. user mode memory is irrelevant for this problem |
| 07:05.49 | Grum | each PCI/AGP/PCI(E/X) needs a certain amount of memory mapped which starts from 4gb and back |
| 07:05.56 | Fisker | other than there's 2GB for each |
| 07:06.02 | Grum | 'as no-one would ever use 4gb ram' |
| 07:06.04 | Fisker | 3GB for user mode with /3GB switch |
| 07:06.22 | Arrowmaster | also a process cant use over 2gb in a 32bit windows |
| 07:09.08 | Amarande | maaaaaan auctioneer I hate you you made me look like a nooblar |
| 07:09.19 | Amarande | apparently, now I have seven wool bandages on sale for about 900g |
| 07:09.49 | theorbtwo | Blink. How'd that happen? |
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| 07:11.12 | Thunder_Child | seeing as how an addon got the best of you, you are a nooblar |
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| 07:14.41 | NightHawkAtWork | \q |
| 07:16.00 | Fisker | btw Antiarc |
| 07:16.12 | Fisker | does pawn take into consideration if a stat isn't useful anymore? |
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| 07:16.51 | Antiarc | No |
| 07:16.58 | Antiarc | It just multiplies stats by EP weights, more or less |
| 07:17.03 | Antiarc | You still have to keep your brain on |
| 07:17.07 | Antiarc | But it's nice for eyeballing pieces |
| 07:17.10 | Fisker | k |
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| 07:24.05 | Adys | repair.exe |
| 07:24.10 | Adys | is the most terrible piece of shit ever |
| 07:24.27 | Adys | 04:49:06.7142 Exception in ForAllFilesVerify: SFileReadFile - Data\patch.MPQ world\maps\Northrend\Northrend_32_26.adt |
| 07:24.27 | Adys | 05:02:11.7359 RevertTo200: delete patch.mpq |
| 07:24.30 | Adys | ONE FILE IS BROKEN |
| 07:24.39 | Adys | and it tells me "You need to downgrade to TBC" |
| 07:24.50 | Shirik | lol |
| 07:24.50 | Adys | screw this, anyone has world\maps\Northrend\Northrend_32_26.adt? |
| 07:25.29 | Adys | actually |
| 07:25.34 | Adys | ill get it off ptr |
| 07:31.04 | Adys | that worked fine |
| 07:31.10 | Adys | thanks repair.exe, you DIDNT save me any time |
| 07:31.37 | Adys | neat we won wg. |
| 07:32.07 | Adys | you know |
| 07:32.12 | Adys | Im tempted to make a Repair.exe that works |
| 07:41.35 | Amarande | hmm, current thought: Find Minerals is bad luck. |
| 07:42.06 | Amarande | I don't know why, but when I have Find Minerals on, I hardly seem to find any ore of the sorts I've been looking for. |
| 07:42.21 | Amarande | When I turn it off and instead have Low Level Quests being tracked for my loremaster achievement, I trip over ore. |
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| 07:51.23 | Sesshu| | there are many add ons which should help to find a rare mob by using the wow cache.. but there isn't a function like "GetNPCCache()". how do these add ons work? |
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| 07:54.04 | nevcairiel | read the addons :P |
| 07:54.18 | Sesshu| | i'm too lazy |
| 07:54.31 | nevcairiel | we're not here to serve your lazyness |
| 07:54.50 | Sesshu| | :( |
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| 08:01.02 | Amarande | you know, maybe people are right to QQ about the welfare drake for holidays :) |
| 08:01.05 | Amarande | I mean, it just occurred to me |
| 08:01.12 | Amarande | all people have to do is participate in the holidays and get a 310% mount |
| 08:01.16 | Amarande | meanwhile, consider, say, Loremaster |
| 08:01.30 | Amarande | it's a MUCH more demanding undertaking, and all you get in the end is a title and tabard :| |
| 08:01.54 | Sesshu| | yes |
| 08:01.55 | Amarande | (not that it isn't worth it anyway to experience all that content most people never actually bother with :D) |
| 08:02.39 | Codayus | I don't think QQing is the right response. And it does reward a very long time commitment and a years worth of subscription (good from Bliz's point of view), but... |
| 08:02.56 | PProvost | What is the slash command for the new built-in devtools event frame thingy? |
| 08:03.08 | Codayus | ...it's really not a lot of effort, as such. And it can be done solo. |
| 08:03.51 | Codayus | Second easiest 310% mount would probably be...hm, the 10 man Ulduar drake? Pretty huge difference. |
| 08:05.01 | Codayus | Rewarding a protodrake is obviously fair, but making it 310% but the red one from doing heroics 280% seems arbitrary. |
| 08:05.40 | Codayus | I mean, both require a fair amount of time and commitment, no? |
| 08:06.31 | Codayus | Of course, since I'm um... two sets of dailies away from my violet protodrake, I'm really happy it's 310%, personally. :D |
| 08:06.52 | olafski | is there something like ackisrecipelist but for non combat pets or mounts? |
| 08:07.02 | Codayus | Yes, Collectinator, I think? |
| 08:07.06 | olafski | cheers :) |
| 08:07.08 | Amarande | On the other hand, the holiday achievements will always require specific skill |
| 08:07.21 | Amarande | while, sadly, I expect Loremaster to become stupidly easy after Cataclysm for anyone who was around before it |
| 08:07.22 | Codayus | I probably mispelled it, but that should help you find it anyhow. |
| 08:07.27 | Codayus | Hmm |
| 08:07.36 | Amarande | I mean, think of it this way |
| 08:07.36 | Fisker | Anyone recall that addon that disables other addons loading messages? |
| 08:07.41 | Codayus | I will be *fascinated* to see how they handle achievements in Cat. |
| 08:07.46 | Amarande | after Cataclysm, they will have to adjust the Loremaster achievements for sure |
| 08:07.59 | Amarande | however, if they significantly increase the number of quests required to take into account all the pre-Cat quests people have done |
| 08:08.01 | olafski | hehe even made by ackis too codayus :) |
| 08:08.11 | Amarande | then probably no one who started after the expansion will be able to get the achievement |
| 08:08.15 | Codayus | There's a lot of achievements of the form "do all of X", where X will be changing radically in Cat. |
| 08:08.16 | olafski | he left some of the description of ARL in the description of collectinator |
| 08:08.20 | Amarande | however, if they *don't* significantly increase the number of quests required |
| 08:08.32 | Amarande | then, since so many new quests will doubtless have to be placed after the world upheaval |
| 08:08.45 | Amarande | people with hundreds of old quests already tallied will have a silly easy time of it |
| 08:08.55 | Codayus | And then there's all the Wrath title/mount rewarding achievements, which will be trivialized at 85. |
| 08:09.08 | Amarande | Codayus: for the most part those were easy even at 80 |
| 08:09.10 | Arrowmaster | they might just remove all the quests that arent available anymore from the counts |
| 08:09.28 | Amarande | remember ... you could have 70+ mounts at 70, if you were totally obsessive, lucky, and made use of the TCG |
| 08:09.48 | Amarande | Arrow: that would be a bad idea |
| 08:09.55 | Codayus | Hm |
| 08:09.59 | Amarande | there's already enough confusion among loremaster aspirants about quests counting and not counting :| |
| 08:10.10 | Codayus | For a lot of things they can just turn the old one into a feat of strength, and add news ones. |
| 08:10.21 | Codayus | The way they did the "old" Ony achievement when 3.2.2 came out. |
| 08:10.27 | Amarande | In fact, I'm pretty sure you could have 75 mounts at 70. |
| 08:10.45 | Amarande | say, can you still get Classic Raider, or has that become cut off since you can't get Ony 60 anymore? |
| 08:11.04 | Arrowmaster | they completely removed the ony 60 achievement |
| 08:11.05 | Amarande | or do you have to actually do *new* Ony for it now? |
| 08:11.07 | Arrowmaster | i lost points |
| 08:11.12 | Amarande | Arrow: there was a meta including it, though. |
| 08:11.19 | Codayus | Amarande: They removed Ony from Classic raider. |
| 08:11.24 | Amarande | and they probably made it a FoS, but you lost points anyway since FoS are worth none. :) |
| 08:11.34 | Arrowmaster | they did not make it a FoS |
| 08:11.36 | Codayus | Arrowmaster: It's still there, just a feat of strength. Which is, yeah, worth 0 points. |
| 08:11.39 | Amarande | This is despite the fact that many FoS are the achievements most worthy of points :| |
| 08:11.52 | Amarande | honestly, that's probably my biggest overall justifiable gripe about the achievement system |
| 08:11.59 | Arrowmaster | hmm maybe it still has the same date on it and thats why i didnt see it on FoS |
| 08:12.09 | Codayus | Arrowmaster: They did. I have it. "Onyxia's Lair (Level 60)". |
| 08:12.13 | Amarande | the fact that the points in no way actually reflect your skill at the game, because so many achievements vary radically in difficulty for the same points |
| 08:12.36 | Amarande | or the same additional points |
| 08:12.52 | Amarande | for instance, compare, say, Chef de Cuisine (which gives 10 more points above the 100 cooking recipe achievement you had to get before it) vs. some other 10 pointers |
| 08:12.57 | Codayus | Hm, seems like when an achivement is converted to a FoS it shouldn't deduct the point though, IMHO. |
| 08:13.36 | Amarande | In any case, though, the mount achievement was doable at 70. Well, the original top mount achievement, the one that gave the albino drake |
| 08:13.40 | Amarande | not the 100 mounts one that was added later |
| 08:13.45 | Amarande | but even the 100 one isn't *that* hard |
| 08:13.57 | Codayus | Nobody said it was. :) |
| 08:14.05 | Amarande | You were actually able to have 75 mounts (which you ORIGINALLY needed for the albino drake) at 70 before WotLK was even out |
| 08:14.27 | Codayus | And yes, at least a couple people in my guild had the albino drake well before Wrath. |
| 08:14.33 | Amarande | It was lowered to 50 because it took them too long to realize that maybe the racial restrictions on mounts were a silly idea, and Tauren complained that the achievement was unfairly hard for that race specifically |
| 08:15.39 | Amarande | due to the fact that Tauren were ineligible for so many mounts that for the other races were basically practical gimmes towards the achievement |
| 08:15.51 | Amarande | so they basically had to invest thousands of dollars into the TCG that the other races didn't |
| 08:17.03 | Amarande | you know, the TCG actually allows people to buy gold within the TOS, come to think of it :) |
| 08:18.04 | Amarande | simply by the fact that TCG cards cost stupid amounts of money, so anyone making a deal with another player involving the TCG mounts (which are BoE now) is pretty much doing RMT |
| 08:18.25 | Amarande | what is it, like $1k or so for the nether-rocket and such? |
| 08:18.33 | Amarande | (btw: "nether-rocket" sounds so totally wrong.) |
| 08:19.06 | Amarande | aright. back to BRD before I get distracted and fall into the giant pool of Fanta |
| 08:19.40 | Amarande | wow, I'm surprised |
| 08:19.55 | Amarande | I know it's 4:20am, but it's brewfest ... there's not a single person but me in BRD right now |
| 08:23.30 | Amarande | btw: am I right that getting Loremaster of EK & Kalimdor will also guarantee getting Ambassador without worry during the process? |
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| 08:28.12 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D57fJ7dnjTU&feature=channel_page |
| 08:28.27 | Adys | facehead66 (1 day ago) Theyre the same person? What sort of wizardry is this? |
| 08:28.49 | Adys | someone just discovered a computer |
| 08:32.54 | Shirik | that's really fun song |
| 08:33.09 | Adys | this guy isn't bad |
| 08:33.21 | Adys | depends hes got a lot of crappy vidas |
| 08:33.23 | Adys | -a |
| 08:34.04 | Fisker | my hdd |
| 08:34.05 | Fisker | my hdd |
| 08:34.09 | Fisker | my hdd is on fire .( |
| 08:35.29 | Amarande | heh, remember the old UNIX syslog entries that claimed the printer was on fire? :) |
| 08:36.16 | Sesshu| | ? |
| 08:36.20 | Sesshu| | oops |
| 08:37.22 | Shirik | Amarande: The code for that still exists |
| 08:37.31 | Shirik | it merely doesn't get used very often |
| 08:38.32 | tlund | ./net/eexpress.c: "board on fire")); |
| 08:38.32 | tlund | ./usb/class/usblp.c:static const char *usblp_messages[] = { "ok", "out of paper", "off-line", "on fire" }; |
| 08:38.45 | tlund | and the one you refered to: |
| 08:38.45 | tlund | ./char/lp.c: printk(KERN_INFO "lp%d on fire\n", minor); |
| 08:38.48 | tlund | :) |
| 09:14.12 | Elkano | thanks @ wowi staff for quick service :) |
| 09:14.30 | Amarande | woot, Basilisk Hide Pants |
| 09:14.30 | Amarande | that's a nice chunk of change |
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| 09:14.30 | Amarande | one of the fun things about doing all these low level quests is that you end up finding a ton of low-mid level greens and blues |
| 09:14.31 | Amarande | of course, greens are disenchant fodder, but some of these blues are tidy profit :) |
| 09:14.38 | Amarande | looks like basilisk hide pants run about 300g |
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| 09:20.54 | Amarande | also: people said BRD took nine hours to do back in the day |
| 09:20.59 | Amarande | as far as I can tell, it still does :S |
| 09:21.26 | Amarande | at least, with all the separate trips you have to make if you want to do all the quests :) |
| 09:21.27 | Amarande | or was 9 hours for just one trip back then? :) |
| 09:22.17 | Amarande | btw: UBRS quests marked "Raid": do these work solo, or will you only get credit if you actually are in a raid group? |
| 09:23.19 | Arrowmaster | they work solo |
| 09:24.10 | Slafsinator | Raid only means you are allowed to do the quests while in a raid :) |
| 09:25.13 | Amarande | Ah, I always wondered if it worked both ways. It'd be hard to tell most of the time since most Raid quests require you to enter instances you can't go into solo :) |
| 09:25.21 | Amarande | Since the silly green portals won't let me go through on my own ... LOL |
| 09:25.49 | Amarande | also: in Searing Gorge, towards the east side with the teal spiders, there's a bunch of things that look like mining nodes but you can't mine them |
| 09:25.53 | Amarande | are those for decoration, or are they part of a quest? |
| 09:26.40 | theorbtwo | Hm, and you can't form a group without at least one other guy. |
| 09:26.51 | Elkano | Amarande: http://www.wowhead.com/?zone=51#objects |
| 09:27.00 | Elkano | check if they are listed ^^ |
| 09:27.00 | theorbtwo | (Though, IIRC, you can later kick that guy.) |
| 09:27.14 | Fisker | yes! |
| 09:27.24 | Fisker | If there drops more than one mount in BRD it must be a bug! |
| 09:27.30 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=10921024401&postId=109195122447&sid=1 |
| 09:27.56 | theorbtwo | There's a quest like that in the Wetlands. It even trains your mining skill, apparently. |
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| 09:28.20 | Amarande | Fisker: DIE. |
| 09:28.23 | Amarande | Die die die die die *die*! heh |
| 09:28.24 | theorbtwo | (I haven't done it, as I don't have any Alliance miners, but my girlfriend has.) |
| 09:28.46 | Amarande | post #2: "yeah, I wouldn't believe that. remember the time when old crafty dropped together with the baby crocolisk quest? everyone got it ><" |
| 09:28.46 | Fisker | you just ordered a thousand liters of ilk Amarande |
| 09:28.46 | Amarande | YES, I REMEMBER THAT. |
| 09:28.46 | Amarande | I REMEMBER NOT BEING ALLOWED TO LOOT OLD CRAFTY BECAUSE THE DAMN THING BUGGED UP. |
| 09:28.46 | Amarande | :| |
| 09:28.51 | Fisker | harr |
| 09:28.55 | Adys | [12:27:49] <Amarande> I REMEMBER NOT BEING ALLOWED TO LOOT OLD CRAFTY BECAUSE THE DAMN THING BUGGED UP. |
| 09:29.03 | Adys | because it was dropping at an insane rate back then |
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| 09:29.10 | Amarande | Adys: yeah, if you auto-looted your fish like most people do |
| 09:29.15 | Amarande | and the baby crocolisk dropped with Old Crafty |
| 09:29.35 | Amarande | for some reason, the game wouldn't let you loot Old Crafty after looting the croc, and of course auto-loot grabbed the croc before you even knew Crafty was there too ... |
| 09:29.43 | Adys | it was a hotfix |
| 09:29.51 | Adys | 5 tries, 3 drops, 2% chance for each drop? |
| 09:29.51 | Adys | 0,0076832% chance to happen. |
| 09:30.09 | Adys | dont you love when stats are pulled from so far inside people's asses there's still shit rotting up on the numbers |
| 09:30.24 | CyberEye | ^^ |
| 09:30.40 | Elkano | we managed to get three in a row, too ^^ |
| 09:30.50 | Adys | got two kodos in a row here |
| 09:30.51 | CyberEye | btw did you read the new patch notes... hogger is a lvl 80 raid now |
| 09:30.57 | Adys | second one went to waste |
| 09:31.05 | Amarande | Adys: I've had some kind of luck that people shouldn't have, doesn't mean it's a bug |
| 09:31.12 | Amarande | like getting Deathcharger on my *first* Rivendare kill |
| 09:31.19 | Adys | it was a copypaste |
| 09:31.31 | Adys | also the mounts are 2.5% each |
| 09:31.49 | Amarande | heh, the weird thing is I've been doing almost nothing but BRD the last couple days and still have yet to run Coren |
| 09:32.27 | Amarande | although, I'm still taking shameless advantage of the Brewfest mole machine shortcut :) |
| 09:32.32 | Amarande | even though I *do* have a Shadowforge Key |
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| 09:36.21 | Amarande | also, brewfest is the only time a warlock can solo BRD -and- have a decent opportunity to get any more soul shards while doing so without having to go waaaay out of one's way :) |
| 09:37.58 | CyberEye | i hate brewfest prob won't see the mount drop xD |
| 09:39.07 | Amarande | meh, probably not |
| 09:39.14 | Adys | 351 runs last year |
| 09:39.15 | Amarande | at least it's not required for an achievement anymore, unlike the HH mount at halloween |
| 09:39.16 | Adys | 14 mounts |
| 09:39.20 | Adys | not a single one won |
| 09:39.26 | Adys | this year i pay people to pass |
| 09:39.29 | Adys | i got both in 3 days |
| 09:39.30 | Amarande | although, other than it scaling with skill, the HH mount seems so un-special anymore |
| 09:39.32 | Adys | about 60 runs |
| 09:39.46 | Amarande | yay, it looks just like the dreadsteed and DK mount, other than green hooves instead of orange or white! woohoo! heh |
| 09:40.03 | Amarande | but then, it's probably neat to get anyway |
| 09:40.16 | Amarande | heck knows I'm proud of my Rivendare's Deathcharger, even though as horde it looks totally unspecial other than the color LOL |
| 09:42.33 | Amarande | speaking of which, I'm trying to remember off the top of my head |
| 09:42.58 | Amarande | I know there's a few dungeons (Stratholme, ZG, and MGT, particularly come to mind) where Alliance have a chance to get a mount that's normally a Horde only model |
| 09:43.05 | Amarande | are there any where Horde get a chance at one that's normally Alliance only? |
| 09:44.46 | CyberEye | ZG:p |
| 09:45.25 | CyberEye | and i believe thatÅ it xD |
| 09:45.45 | CyberEye | o wait and cenarion expedition |
| 09:46.12 | CyberEye | but don't complain you get a dragon mount at 100 mounts achiev -_-' |
| 09:46.17 | CyberEye | for badges |
| 09:46.19 | CyberEye | same model* |
| 09:48.46 | Arrowmaster | the CE one is unique |
| 09:49.11 | Arrowmaster | its like the flight path mount but theres no real mounts like it |
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| 09:51.51 | CyberEye | it's an alliance FP mount:p |
| 09:51.54 | CyberEye | so itÅ alliance |
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| 10:03.29 | Amarande | crap, looks like a bug means I need to interrupt my Searing Gorge questing and go back to Orgrimmar without delay :| |
| 10:04.01 | CyberEye | you should reroll alliance |
| 10:04.30 | CyberEye | hmm |
| 10:04.49 | CyberEye | * Er is een CTCP VERSION ontvangen van freenode-connect lol -_-' |
| 10:05.23 | Amarande | :P |
| 10:05.26 | Amarande | alliance ftl |
| 10:05.39 | CyberEye | -_-' |
| 10:05.47 | Amarande | Apparently, if I turn in this one quest without first doing another, totally unrelated quest line starting in Org, I'll miss out on the latter |
| 10:05.50 | CyberEye | what server you on? |
| 10:05.58 | Amarande | and I'm not sure how tight the requirements for Loremaster are, so I don't know if that would cause me to lose out on the title |
| 10:06.01 | Amarande | Turalyon |
| 10:06.09 | CyberEye | hmm:p |
| 10:06.17 | CyberEye | hate the loremaster achiev xD |
| 10:06.42 | Amarande | thankfully, I discovered this -before- finding the Tuyere. |
| 10:06.51 | Amarande | Because I swear they call it a tuyere because it takes tuyeres for you to get it to drop. :) |
| 10:09.07 | Amarande | But yeah, apparently if you do the tuyere-and-spyglass quest in SG, for some obscure buggy kind of reason you can't do the Gnomeregan teleporter chain if you haven't already. |
| 10:09.15 | Amarande | And I'm not sure if that's going to prove necessary towards Loremaster, soo ... |
| 10:09.36 | CyberEye | hmm loremaster requires calculation:p |
| 10:15.59 | Amarande | nah, just completism |
| 10:16.09 | CyberEye | you mean no life? |
| 10:16.10 | Amarande | there's only a few bugs, I'm just not sure if they're enough these days to prevent you from getting it if you don't know about them |
| 10:16.25 | Amarande | now, Seeker on the other hand might be vulnerable to that, but Seeker should be easy enough to get with the new Azeroth quests coming in Cat |
| 10:16.42 | CyberEye | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.40 | Amarande | hmm |
| 10:17.48 | Amarande | apparently the Searing Gorge bug only causes you to lose two quests, though |
| 10:18.06 | Amarande | (and force Horde characters to wander through Dun Morogh if they want to do Gnomer, but hey, at 80, what's a few Alliance guards?) |
| 10:19.18 | Amarande | ah well, even if I have to abandon the Tuyere and Spyglass quest entirely, it's no big deal :) |
| 10:19.44 | Amarande | seeing as I haven't got the Tuyere (the really annoying bit) yet, and The Flawless Flame chain leads me right back to the towers where you encounter the mobs where you get the spyglass anyhow :) |
| 10:24.02 | Amarande | man, am I glad I'm not alliance now |
| 10:24.07 | Amarande | this dwarf pally I'm standing behind in BB |
| 10:24.23 | Amarande | he's prot, and using a 2H |
| 10:25.55 | CyberEye | 2H are imba! |
| 10:26.16 | Amarande | lol, it's not an imba thing |
| 10:26.22 | Amarande | it's that, as prot, you are -supposed- to use a sword and board :| |
| 10:26.34 | Amarande | using a 2H as prot greatly diminishes the awesomeness that is being a prot pally to begin with |
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| 10:27.15 | CyberEye | http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5567/taerixbanner23.jpg ^^ |
| 10:27.48 | Amarande | this loremaster stuff is actually more fun than endgame content, come to think of it |
| 10:27.51 | Amarande | not to mention the wiser thing to do now |
| 10:28.08 | CyberEye | i like wiping on yogg hard mode more |
| 10:28.08 | Amarande | after all, all of the current 80 content will almost certainly still be there when the next expansion hits, while a LOT of the current old world content will be gone |
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| 10:33.59 | Amarande | also, I'm not sure why I'm worrying about 2 quests for the EK achievement |
| 10:34.04 | Amarande | the EK achievement is easy, far as I know |
| 10:34.11 | Amarande | it's the Kalimdor achievement that's mind-numbing pain |
| 10:37.58 | Amarande | also apparent confirmation: it is *accepting* the quests from the wanted poster at Thorium Point that locks you out of the teleporter to Gnomeregan. :( |
| 10:38.05 | CyberEye | afk food:) |
| 10:38.18 | Amarande | Looks like my Rig Wars will involve walking through Dun Morogh. At least I do have the key for the back door of Gnomer though. :) |
| 10:48.45 | Amarande | hmm, wonder how my DPS stands on the suck:awesome scale for ilvl 200 gear |
| 10:49.00 | Amarande | on the heroic training dummy I was getting about 2000, which is of course without a flask or any raid buffs |
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| 10:51.39 | Amarande | aright, back to SG. |
| 10:58.23 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/the_trilogy_meter.jpg |
| 10:59.08 | CyberEye | 6.5K minimum here:p |
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| 11:01.11 | CyberEye | coowl |
| 11:01.12 | CyberEye | Thank you for ordering the Pay Per View Internet stream coverage of BlizzCon® 2009! |
| 11:01.12 | CyberEye | As a thank-you from Blizzard Entertainment, below is a World of Warcraft® code for a Grunty the Murloc Marine pet. |
| 11:01.19 | CyberEye | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:06.44 | theorbtwo | Does he look like Master Chief from Halo? |
| 11:07.35 | CyberEye | hmm |
| 11:07.48 | CyberEye | kinda :) |
| 11:08.15 | Wobin | yay |
| 11:08.17 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/bleh.jpg |
| 11:08.19 | Wobin | brewfest cork addon |
| 11:09.07 | Wobin | I'll have to include the sampler |
| 11:15.02 | Adys | http://emailsfromcrazypeople.com/2009/09/23/sharing-is-caring/ "nsfw" |
| 11:15.09 | Adys | I loved the comments |
| 11:15.14 | Adys | "I donât get it. Whatâs wrong with sharing a flashlight??" |
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| 11:35.40 | Amarande | !#&*$@#. whew |
| 11:35.44 | Amarande | almost fell into the giant pool of fanta, lol |
| 11:35.54 | CyberEye | hm thats not good |
| 11:36.40 | theorbtwo | Giant pool of fanta? |
| 11:37.41 | CyberEye | he's horde |
| 11:44.13 | olafski | ping ackis |
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| 11:47.24 | CyberEye | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:49.29 | mikma | adys: so, you're about to buy a fleshlight with your brother? |
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| 11:53.31 | Amarande | Instance shutdown in 14:00 ?! |
| 11:58.43 | Wobin | Amarande, yeah rolling restarts |
| 11:58.49 | Wobin | so they shut down the instances beforehand |
| 11:59.18 | CyberEye | i'm @ work but i want to see my grunty:( |
| 12:02.41 | Amarande | what's the rolling restart for this time? |
| 12:02.58 | Amarande | and it better not be something lame like "we've found the brewfest mount drops too much so QQ if you're just dungeoneering for other reasons" |
| 12:08.17 | Amarande | it would really be nice, though, if they'd actually announce what they're doing rolling restarts to fix. :) |
| 12:08.36 | Amarande | unless they can't because it's some sort of critical exploit that they're afraid everyone would go "OMG EXPLOIT IT QUICKLY" |
| 12:08.44 | theorbtwo | Amarande: Sometimes it makes sense not to do so until you are ... exactly. |
| 12:09.00 | theorbtwo | OTOH, they probably treat all exploits as critical. |
| 12:10.43 | Amarande | Of course, if I was a game administrator I'd probably be honest about everything. |
| 12:10.54 | Amarande | Which probably means I'd make a terrible game administrator who would probably proceed to ruin every game I admin. Heh. |
| 12:11.23 | Amarande | Because I don't have the fortress mentality that's necessary for admin duty, and -especially- for game admin duty. :S |
| 12:12.10 | Amarande | Because, apparently, also, the honest type of gamer like me seems to be a sad, sad minority. |
| 12:12.30 | Amarande | If a game has exploits, it seems like the general gaming consensus is that real elite players USE them, and only "noobs" insist on playing legitly and avoiding them. |
| 12:12.35 | Amarande | (Viz. the fate of Diablo II Battle.net) |
| 12:13.07 | Wobin | hm |
| 12:13.14 | Wobin | I wonder if Tekkub wants my Brewfest cork modules |
| 12:14.00 | Amarande | How *did* it get to be the case that eliteness was somehow tied to being willing to take advantage of beneficial exploits, anyhow? |
| 12:14.17 | Wobin | immaturity |
| 12:14.22 | Amarande | I always think of that as either cheating or within a hair's breadth of cheating |
| 12:14.40 | Amarande | which is how I became a better Diablo II player than a lot of folks though heh |
| 12:14.52 | Amarande | *I* actually finished Hell on multiple characters without having to be carried through it :P |
| 12:15.33 | Grum | anyone here using the blizz authenticator, if so do you need to simply do administrative stuff? like account management? or just to get ingame? |
| 12:15.36 | Amarande | although, from a devil's advocate standpoint ... one must admit that a lot of the more popular and fun builds *can't* finish Hell on their own without gear that either requires stupidly rare drops or cheat-duped items |
| 12:16.01 | Amarande | for instance, the popular Meteor/Frozen Orb Sorceress actually gets off the bus in Act III hell if she's forced to do it solo with legitimate gear |
| 12:16.34 | Amarande | (there is a mandatory boss there who is -always- immune to both fire and cold on Hell) |
| 12:18.38 | Amarande | Wobin: yeah, most likely immaturity :) |
| 12:18.44 | jnwhiteh | Grum: you need it to log into the account management page |
| 12:18.55 | CyberEye | grunty:D |
| 12:18.56 | Amarande | one of the downsides of MMOs, you can't ban people for immaturity without tanking your sales :P |
| 12:19.06 | Amarande | even though, if I was adminning an RPG, I would be sorely tempted to do so to some folks :| |
| 12:19.08 | Grum | wtb 2 devices for 1 account :( |
| 12:19.08 | Amarande | heh |
| 12:19.23 | Amarande | and that fortune cookie I got at the Chinese place last time I was there said "you have good business sense" LOL NOT |
| 12:20.08 | Amarande | Grum: what, you want to have to type in 2 authenticator codes every time you logon? :) |
| 12:20.23 | Grum | Amarande: nah i just want a duplicate |
| 12:20.42 | Wobin | anyone want my brewfest cork modules for personal usage? |
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| 12:31.43 | Grum | Wobin: cork? |
| 12:32.19 | Wobin | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10629 |
| 12:32.27 | Wobin | how can you not be using Cork? =( |
| 12:32.44 | Grum | it provides OOC automatic buffing? |
| 12:32.50 | Grum | ok, what does it have for brewfest? =D |
| 12:32.58 | Grum | auto-keeping speed? :p |
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| 12:36.42 | theorbtwo | Wow, cork seems kickass. |
| 12:37.06 | CyberEye | doesnt even have arcane focus in it xD |
| 12:38.14 | Amarande | Hmm, once the instances are back up, let's see if I can make it through BRS and get most or all of these quests done without getting lost. :) |
| 12:38.34 | Amarande | speaking of which, do you still need to bring the Seal of Ascension with you to enter UBRS or did they do away with that? |
| 12:38.46 | Wobin | They did away with it =( |
| 12:38.55 | Wobin | CyberEye, add it, then |
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| 12:39.18 | CyberEye | possible? |
| 12:39.54 | Lopeppeppy | Anything's possible if you can code it. |
| 12:40.09 | CyberEye | hm |
| 12:40.17 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly. |
| 12:40.19 | Wobin | check out how the earth shield module works |
| 12:40.25 | Wobin | and apply it to arcane focus |
| 12:40.44 | CyberEye | any ideas then to get rid of the stupid sound when you spam a spell that you cant cast yet or is out of range or no target available? xD |
| 12:41.01 | CyberEye | going to try that @ home |
| 12:42.37 | Amarande | speaking of sounds, one thing I always find a tad disconcerting is that macros tied to action buttons don't give that "click" sound when you click the button like all other action buttons do :S |
| 12:42.48 | Lopeppeppy | Turn off error sounds, CyberEye. It's a blizz standard option |
| 12:43.29 | CyberEye | hmm that didnt work yesterday, you need reboot for that? |
| 12:43.34 | CyberEye | restart* |
| 12:43.54 | theorbtwo | Wobin: Can I get your brewfest cork code? |
| 12:45.36 | Wobin | theorbtwo, who to send it to? |
| 12:45.57 | Lopeppeppy | I dont' think so, CyberEye. But perhaps your settings aren't saving properly. |
| 12:46.10 | CyberEye | hmm.. |
| 12:46.15 | CyberEye | will try it again tonight |
| 12:46.27 | theorbtwo | Wobin: james@mastros.biz |
| 12:46.28 | CyberEye | the sound is terrible with to much bass xD |
| 12:46.35 | Amarande | hmm, looks like the new Onyxia whelps achievement is being looked down upon by players |
| 12:46.50 | Amarande | (mainly, it seems that too many players' computers can't handle all the objects on screen that are part and parcel of doing it ...) |
| 12:47.13 | Amarande | "Cause 50 Onyxia Whelplings to hatch within 10 seconds of Onyxia's liftoff, and then defeat her in 10-player mode." |
| 12:47.24 | Amarande | The problem people are having is apparently not the actual battle strategy. This isn't good. :| |
| 12:47.33 | nevcairiel | sucks to have a crappy comp |
| 12:47.37 | nevcairiel | so they wont get one achievement |
| 12:47.48 | Amarande | The problem people are having is how to do it without the raid getting decimated due to half of it DC'ing due to lag from too much going on at once |
| 12:48.06 | jnwhiteh | disable addons :P |
| 12:48.16 | jnwhiteh | goes to the gym |
| 12:48.42 | Amarande | Someone apparently tried it on 25's and had at least two healers and 4 other people DC'd and it was a wipe |
| 12:48.53 | Amarande | I can't even imagine how one can begin to do it on 10's |
| 12:49.09 | Amarande | you'd probably need to be able to 6 or 7 man it with the whelps, in order to give a cushion for DCs |
| 12:49.26 | nevcairiel | or you just don't DC |
| 12:50.43 | Wobin | theorbtwo, sent |
| 12:50.46 | Amarande | nevcairiel: doesn't just have to be *you* who doesn't DC, doesn't do you much good when nine of your 10's raid DCs and you're left there to be Gerber for Dragons :) |
| 12:51.07 | nevcairiel | i wouldnt try the achievement with people that fail at keeping their comp stable |
| 12:51.11 | Amarande | not to mention, depending on circumstances, THEY might actually not even count as dead depending on how it worked out |
| 12:51.16 | Amarande | while YOU would be the one to get the repair bill :) |
| 12:52.42 | nevcairiel | people already DC'ed on sartharion when you had too many whelps and fire thingys on, or on thaddius due to the aura-change-spam or something |
| 12:52.45 | nevcairiel | they never learned |
| 12:53.16 | Amarande | and yet, I don't know of raid guilds asking applicants what their CPU, video card, and RAM are. |
| 12:53.22 | Amarande | Even though that would probably be the only way to avoid it. |
| 12:53.42 | nevcairiel | not really, when you just "lag", you don't instantly DC |
| 12:53.52 | nevcairiel | also, thats why raid guilds have a trial phase :P |
| 12:54.05 | Amarande | I'd hate to see raid guilds have to resort to things like "you can't afford $1k to upgrade your computer for this next bit of especially demanding content? Gkick!" though |
| 12:54.11 | nevcairiel | we declined people that DCed every damn try on those fights |
| 12:54.19 | Lopeppeppy | We did used to ask them to at least meet a list of minimum computer specifications. |
| 12:54.26 | Amarande | especially given that hardcore raiders actually probably have less money to spend on hardware than more casual players. :) |
| 12:54.32 | nevcairiel | We also started to demand UI Screenshots |
| 12:54.56 | Amarande | I wonder if I'll have issues DC'ing in such content |
| 12:55.06 | Amarande | I do have 2GB of RAM and a dual core, though |
| 12:55.16 | Amarande | and my UI seems to be not especially draining |
| 12:55.27 | nevcairiel | Its not always the power of the comp that counts |
| 12:55.29 | Amarande | actually the only issue I've ever had with my UI is that under certain circumstances, I stop being able to open my bags during combat |
| 12:55.35 | nevcairiel | if you messed up your OS enough, you get unstable anyway |
| 12:55.42 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 12:55.47 | Amarande | (although, that could probably have gotten me kicked from some raids, like Vashj back in the day, if I'd tried BC raiding ... heh) |
| 12:56.04 | Amarande | Vashj was the one where you had to regularly pick up items during battle right? |
| 12:56.12 | Lopeppeppy | Yup |
| 12:56.14 | nevcairiel | you could macro that |
| 12:56.19 | Lopeppeppy | But there was a macro, exactly |
| 12:56.27 | Amarande | I'm *still* not sure what's causing me to be unable to open my bags in combat though |
| 12:56.35 | nevcairiel | we even had people macro that, so they whispered the guy that got the ball :P |
| 12:56.35 | Lopeppeppy | addon. :) |
| 12:56.38 | Amarande | It doesn't always happen, and when it does it's after I've been playing a while in one session |
| 12:56.47 | Amarande | and I'm *still* quite foggy on exactly what's tainting what |
| 12:57.09 | Amarande | it's definitely taint, but beyond that I'm not sure what |
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| 12:57.41 | Amarande | I did die ignominiously once while trying to solo BRD though due to aggroing a mob too many and not being able to get at my healing potions :S |
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| 12:58.15 | Amarande | Actually, though, OTOH one could argue that the bag window should be sealed during combat by default, not just when using addons |
| 12:58.42 | Amarande | I mean, you're in combat, do you realistically have time to go and rummage through bags that can contain 100+ different things? :) |
| 12:59.16 | Amarande | Hell, it won't even let you do something tiny like change a ring when you're in combat ... why *should* you be able to go in your backpack :D |
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| 13:01.33 | laeg | anyone ever get the bug where the camera goes all weird and doesn't stay where you put it? |
| 13:01.51 | CyberEye | nop |
| 13:01.55 | laeg | say you hold down right mouse and put it at an angle but then it spins some other way |
| 13:01.56 | Amarande | laeg: stop drinking so much Sulfuron Slammer? :) |
| 13:02.00 | laeg | ha :D |
| 13:02.12 | Amarande | that stuff is *potent*, too |
| 13:02.15 | laeg | goes back to normal on log out and back in or when AV ends |
| 13:02.28 | laeg | i don't want 15 mins deserter status though :( |
| 13:02.39 | Amarande | like ... I drank just 2 of them when I went to do the Drunken Stupor achievement and it took like 20-30 minutes to get back to sober |
| 13:02.45 | laeg | haha |
| 13:02.48 | laeg | seek help |
| 13:02.48 | laeg | :D |
| 13:02.57 | jpmorgan | jaeg - try /rl |
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| 13:03.17 | Amarande | laeg: are you talking about the glitch where sometimes you are moving around normally and suddenly you face the ground and start spinning? |
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| 13:03.53 | laeg | hmm |
| 13:03.59 | laeg | well my character doesn't face the ground |
| 13:04.08 | laeg | but the view spins back at a weird angle no matter where i put it? |
| 13:04.14 | Amarande | I know I've had *that* happen, and that I think is a mouse based glitch because it happens occasionally in other games too (think it happens when a cat hair or such gets in an optical mouse's sensor) |
| 13:04.17 | laeg | maybe cause i'm using linux? *shurgs |
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| 13:04.37 | laeg | Amarande: maybe, but mine appears to always be fine when i go through a portal etc |
| 13:04.50 | Amarande | laeg: if you're using an optical or laser mouse, make sure the sensor isn't dirty |
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| 13:05.03 | jpmorgan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:05.05 | Amarande | especially if you have a cat |
| 13:05.21 | Lopeppeppy | is owned by two cats |
| 13:05.21 | Amarande | cat hair across optical mouse sensor = wonky movement every time |
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| 13:06.33 | Fisker | any pala tank experts in here? |
| 13:07.24 | laeg | jpmorgan: ty |
| 13:07.33 | laeg | Amarande: kk ty |
| 13:08.57 | Wobin | Fisker, place nose on 'g' key |
| 13:08.57 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, I think that Jelly was a paladin tank. KarlKFI as well |
| 13:09.05 | Wobin | turn face from left to right |
| 13:09.06 | Wobin | repeat |
| 13:09.26 | mikma | wobin: faceroll? |
| 13:09.42 | Wobin | would -I- suggest such a thing? =P |
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| 13:17.22 | Amarande | hmm, is this really true, that Brewfest gives Alliance an easier ride by design? |
| 13:17.49 | Wobin | eh I dunno |
| 13:17.51 | nevcairiel | of course, we have the dwarves, they are the source of all that :P |
| 13:17.52 | Amarande | I'm reading tales that Alliance *consistently* (suggesting it *is* a design foible/flaw) get about 50% more tokens on average from the ram riding than Horde |
| 13:17.54 | Wobin | horde one is' pretty straightforward |
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| 13:18.12 | Wobin | but pft, it's typical Blizzard alliance loving |
| 13:19.03 | Amarande | yeah, I'm starting to wonder where the love for the Horde is |
| 13:19.14 | Amarande | maybe in the loremaster achievements, from what I hear those are hell for alliance who need 700 for both IIRC |
| 13:19.31 | nevcairiel | the alliance kalimdor one was a real challenge |
| 13:19.32 | Wobin | The horde gets no love |
| 13:19.35 | nevcairiel | then they nerfed it |
| 13:19.40 | Wobin | cause alliance complained |
| 13:19.42 | Amarande | otoh, this just means Horde get less quest content than Alliance (and that Seeker is a lot harder for Horde, thusly) |
| 13:19.44 | nevcairiel | i got it before the nerf, though :) |
| 13:19.51 | nevcairiel | seeker isnt hard at all |
| 13:20.00 | nevcairiel | i got it half way to 80 |
| 13:20.17 | Amarande | Alliance can get Merrymaker at 50, Horde have to be 77 |
| 13:20.20 | mikma | bibi: i hate you. |
| 13:20.26 | mikma | adys: you too. |
| 13:20.36 | Bibi | why exactly? |
| 13:20.37 | Aelobin | msoul: :O you thar? |
| 13:20.47 | Amarande | At least in the beginning, Alliance could pretty easily get the "win Strand in under 4 minutes" achievement, Horde couldn't get it at all, no matter HOW pwnage they were at SotA on their battlegroup |
| 13:21.13 | mikma | bibi: the talent calculator with portable devices is extremely "laggy" and usually results with something like this: http://mikma.reaktio.net/1.png |
| 13:21.17 | nevcairiel | so the random starting broke, and they had to choose one |
| 13:21.20 | Amarande | Alliance can get 3 of the 5 Horde mount models through dungeons ... Horde can only get one, if you stretch and consider the tiger from ZG to be roughly like an Alliance cat |
| 13:21.45 | mikma | bibi: laggy = it stops loading everything after 232/234 (or something) pictures and basicly hangs the device for several minutes |
| 13:21.45 | Amarande | nevcairiel: what was really broken is that they should have been counting the win timer from the beginning of Horde's attack phase, instead of from the beginning of the BG |
| 13:22.01 | Wobin | The alliance cat is boring |
| 13:22.22 | nevcairiel | horde can get a ram |
| 13:22.32 | Wobin | well brewfest |
| 13:22.40 | Amarande | yeah, I forgot about brewfest, but still |
| 13:23.01 | Amarande | Alliance can get the ZG raptor, the MGT chocobo or the Strat skeletal horse whenever :) |
| 13:23.08 | nevcairiel | its not our fault that all the villians ride aroudn on horde mounts =P |
| 13:23.08 | Wobin | alliance can't get the Venomhide |
| 13:23.26 | Amarande | well, maybe not exactly whenever |
| 13:23.30 | Amarande | ZG is what, 3 day lockout? :) |
| 13:24.18 | Amarande | and the MGT mount is only a once a day chance, too, since it's heroic only |
| 13:24.18 | nevcairiel | maybe you should more complain that the bad guys in the dungeons should be more alliance races, and not only undeads and blood elfes, or trolls :P |
| 13:24.35 | Amarande | aaaaaand I'm going to go out on just a LITTLE bit of a limb and say you need to compete with groupmates for the MGT mount if it does drop too. |
| 13:24.45 | Amarande | I *doubt* H-MGT is soloable at 80. :) |
| 13:25.03 | Amarande | Hell, some of the other heroic BC instances are a stretch to solo at 80 as it is. |
| 13:25.16 | Amarande | And even normal MGT is harder than many of the other BC instances on heroic. |
| 13:25.31 | nevcairiel | normal mgt is fairly easy, as a druid anyway |
| 13:25.44 | nevcairiel | kaelthas-heroic is unpossible |
| 13:25.57 | Wobin | maybe as a hunter |
| 13:26.21 | mikma | amarande: not soloable, but doubleable! |
| 13:26.23 | nevcairiel | can't get enough dmg through his shield and then interrupt the pyroblast |
| 13:26.30 | nevcairiel | always got my hide burned |
| 13:26.45 | Amarande | you know, that reminds me of something that I've always thought wasn't nice of the game system |
| 13:26.56 | Amarande | if WE are eight levels below the mob |
| 13:27.00 | Amarande | then basically, our spells almost never hit :) |
| 13:27.06 | Amarande | if THEY are eight levels below us, they still get to hit basically every time |
| 13:27.11 | Amarande | it gets even more ridiculous with physical attacks |
| 13:27.12 | nevcairiel | their spells don't hit either |
| 13:27.17 | nevcairiel | except they are ?? mobs |
| 13:27.46 | Amarande | a nice big group of dark irons can still squish you at 80 |
| 13:28.06 | nevcairiel | well i suppose the limit is a bit higher for npcs, lets say 16 instead of 8 levels, and they dont hit squad :P |
| 13:28.11 | Amarande | I *still* have battles drag on longer in BRD than they should because anvilrage mobs manage to get their interrupts to land even though they're like 25-30 levels below me |
| 13:28.23 | Wobin | hate chain interrupt |
| 13:28.28 | Wobin | and chain knockdown |
| 13:28.40 | Wobin | (except when it's being done to the npc...) |
| 13:28.40 | Amarande | and then I can only use rain of fire |
| 13:29.02 | nevcairiel | i'm a melee when soloing, i don't particularly care for interrupts |
| 13:29.05 | Amarande | do NPCs even have a hit formula, or is it just "always hit unless dodge/block/parried regardless of level difference"? |
| 13:29.09 | nevcairiel | knockdowns are evil though |
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| 13:29.32 | laeg | is there any mod that will rejoin you to bgs automagically? |
| 13:29.36 | nevcairiel | run maraudon or something, and nearly no spell will hit you |
| 13:29.48 | Amarande | yeah, mainly it's melee NPCs I notice this "always-hits" pattern with |
| 13:29.54 | Amarande | spells I seem to shrug off |
| 13:30.24 | nevcairiel | melee players also hit high-level enemys better |
| 13:30.31 | nevcairiel | they just do less dmg |
| 13:30.35 | nevcairiel | glancing blows etc |
| 13:30.38 | Amarande | maybe instance NPCs are under different to-hit formulae than normal ones, too |
| 13:31.05 | Amarande | since my biggest experience with being beat up by way lower level mobs is BRD |
| 13:31.15 | nevcairiel | we did the faction boss achievements after 3.0 when we were still 70 |
| 13:31.29 | nevcairiel | so we trying to hit a boss-level mob, so 83 for formulas |
| 13:31.37 | Amarande | that would be 73 |
| 13:31.40 | nevcairiel | casters didnt do much dmg, melees are better off |
| 13:31.49 | Amarande | pretty sure ?? Boss always uses "your level + 3" for to-hit formulae both ways |
| 13:32.01 | Amarande | you're thinking of the guards probably, who were 75 and thus were indeed a bitch to hit with spells |
| 13:32.06 | nevcairiel | tell that to the hit rates :P |
| 13:32.14 | nevcairiel | no, the bosses too. |
| 13:32.27 | Amarande | it could be the bosses also have additional chance to dodge |
| 13:32.39 | Amarande | I know there are a small number of WotLK bosses that even hit-capped casters can miss every now and then |
| 13:32.44 | Amarande | (Heroic Keleseth, I think was one of them?) |
| 13:33.19 | nevcairiel | I believe the "your level +3" thing only counts when you're actually higher then the ?? boss, or it only works in instances, or something |
| 13:33.26 | nevcairiel | at least, no one did dmg on them :P |
| 13:33.38 | Amarande | also, the bosses' "real-level" is 83 |
| 13:33.47 | Amarande | just as old world bosses are "real-level" 63 and BC ones 73 |
| 13:34.00 | Amarande | and I'm not exactly sure what situations the real-level is used instead of the ?? adjusted level |
| 13:34.02 | Aelobin | i thought bosses are always 3 lvls above your lvl |
| 13:34.16 | Amarande | I know real-level is used in some situations, for instance, that's why you still only need 315 skinning to skin the beast |
| 13:34.41 | nevcairiel | Aelobin, that probably only counts when you're higher then the boss, so that bosses always hit you, and don't trivialize the encounters too much. |
| 13:34.50 | Aelobin | hmm k |
| 13:34.51 | nevcairiel | But when you're lower then the boss |
| 13:35.03 | nevcairiel | say 70 against a 83-boss (even though it says ??), you wont hit :P |
| 13:35.11 | nevcairiel | at least for the faction champions. |
| 13:35.11 | Amarande | what it DOES mean, on a sadder note though |
| 13:35.31 | nevcairiel | it took us quite a long time to get them down :P |
| 13:35.46 | Amarande | is that you actually need to be 80 raid geared to do 60 raids at 80 |
| 13:35.56 | nevcairiel | not really |
| 13:35.58 | Amarande | even though it *should* be easily done in greens |
| 13:36.01 | Mikk | no not really |
| 13:36.03 | nevcairiel | the bosses dont hit harder |
| 13:36.06 | Mikk | since the bosses have so much less hp |
| 13:36.10 | nevcairiel | the only thing that changes is the hit chance |
| 13:36.12 | nevcairiel | for them and for you |
| 13:36.13 | Mikk | and hit like sissies |
| 13:36.29 | Mikk | but yeah if you want to hit them 100% or be crit immune, yeah you need full raid gear :P |
| 13:36.34 | Mikk | (but you don't *need* it) |
| 13:36.50 | nevcairiel | as a tank, i would constantly sit down on lvl 60 raids to get some rage going |
| 13:36.56 | nevcairiel | srsly. |
| 13:36.59 | Mikk | mhm =) |
| 13:37.10 | Mikk | with the back turned |
| 13:37.11 | nevcairiel | also, sitting bears are cute :P |
| 13:37.11 | Mikk | no less |
| 13:37.13 | Amarande | heh, speaking of tanks and rage, I like the advice I read about Power Word: Shield |
| 13:37.23 | Amarande | it went something like |
| 13:37.33 | Amarande | if you use PW:S on the tank and they complain that they can't tank with it because they can't get enough rage/mana |
| 13:37.36 | Amarande | what you do then is find another group |
| 13:37.41 | Amarande | because you do not actually have a tank :) |
| 13:37.58 | Mikk | and it's also patently false for warriors and druids |
| 13:37.59 | Mikk | now |
| 13:38.04 | Mikk | since they get rage when being hit through shield |
| 13:38.10 | nevcairiel | it was true back in the day |
| 13:38.10 | Amarande | btw |
| 13:38.18 | Mikk | yeah it was |
| 13:38.19 | nevcairiel | and quite essential for fights with low-dmg mobs |
| 13:38.21 | Amarande | did either of the rolling restarts the last couple of days fix the PW:S aggro bug? |
| 13:38.35 | Amarande | or are disc priests still up the creek? |
| 13:38.36 | Mikk | which one would that be? |
| 13:38.46 | Amarande | Mikk: when 3.2.2 came out Tuesday, there was a strange bug with PW:S and aggro |
| 13:39.20 | Amarande | basically, threat generated by the shielded person got misdirected to the priest |
| 13:39.27 | Mikk | Shit |
| 13:39.34 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 13:39.44 | Amarande | (it got even weirder in some situations, apparently priests were reporting getting soul shards in their inventory if they shielded a warlock who then drain soul'd something) |
| 13:39.50 | Mikk | Yeah they managed to break druid aoe also |
| 13:40.02 | Mikk | The bad weather clouds show up & disappear immediately. No damage done. |
| 13:40.10 | Stanzilla | Amarande: you can "steal" taunts with that, was fun |
| 13:40.14 | Stanzilla | or is? is it fixed? |
| 13:40.28 | Amarande | I don't know |
| 13:40.40 | Amarande | I'll have to ask the lady in my guild who actually HAS a disc priest |
| 13:40.50 | Amarande | I was planning to go disc on my priest at 80, but she's still leveling which means SHADOW |
| 13:41.18 | Mikk | And the emblem count breakage is amusing. I have the 1500 emblem achievement. And on the 2500 emblem achievement, the progress meter says 1494/2500. |
| 13:41.20 | Amarande | because leveling as holy or disc is just painful |
| 13:41.41 | Amarande | Mikk: character stats have been notoriously wonky |
| 13:42.05 | Amarande | I've never seen it be like that on an achievement before, other than when it used to be that if you weren't in northrend, all your northrend zone quest achievements would show as 0 |
| 13:42.13 | Amarande | but I know the stats stuff is generally wonky |
| 13:42.20 | Mikk | And then there's the guildie that xfactioned a char and joined it to our guild. Now, whenever he logs on, he's autokicked from the guild. |
| 13:42.25 | Amarande | for instance, Alvaerin apparently has several hundred arena honorable kills, who knew? :) |
| 13:42.32 | nevcairiel | lol, wtf Mikk :P |
| 13:42.52 | Mikk | Yeah about 0.1s after we see his logon message == waaaaaaaaaaaaay before he stops seeing a loading screen |
| 13:42.55 | Mikk | Logon -> Left guild. |
| 13:43.05 | Mikk | Ginvite. Wash, rinse repeat. |
| 13:43.13 | nevcairiel | GMs helpless, i assume |
| 13:43.23 | Mikk | more GMs haven't answered yet |
| 13:43.35 | Amarande | nev: since when are GMs ever able to actually fix anything you might actually want intervention to fix? :) |
| 13:43.40 | Aelobin | Wobin: you there? :) |
| 13:43.41 | Amarande | other than simple "I lost my doggy" stuff |
| 13:43.56 | nevcairiel | Amarande, they fixed the elevator in mechanar every time! |
| 13:43.58 | Mikk | Amarande: they could respawn the boss in tempest keep and open the door! |
| 13:44.01 | Amarande | hell, they weren't even able to replace a lost jewelcrafting point for me once |
| 13:44.03 | Mikk | nevcairiel: *5* |
| 13:44.07 | Wobin | Aelobin, yeh |
| 13:44.16 | Aelobin | Wobin: you had a dk tank didnt you? |
| 13:44.18 | Amarande | despite the fact that proof positive that I did the gem cut that gave me said point existed! |
| 13:44.20 | Wobin | yeh |
| 13:44.27 | Wobin | haven't tanked with him since patch though |
| 13:44.27 | Amarande | I probably told you guys that story |
| 13:44.35 | Aelobin | what's your opinion on hit capping? :P |
| 13:44.39 | nevcairiel | I wouldn't even bother a GM because of that shit |
| 13:44.41 | Amarande | I was questing in Terokkar, and was mining/prospecting/cutting as I found ore |
| 13:44.44 | nevcairiel | so cut another gem |
| 13:44.45 | nevcairiel | <.< |
| 13:44.45 | Aelobin | i could swap out a gem or 2 for hit rating to be just under hit cap |
| 13:44.53 | Amarande | nev: yeah, I did eventually, but it was irritating as hell |
| 13:44.57 | Wobin | Aelobin, with our threat gen, I'd not bother |
| 13:45.04 | Aelobin | ok ty |
| 13:45.08 | Amarande | because it was like 323 or 324 where all your cuts are in the late green and you need 325 to do anything new OR to prospect addy |
| 13:45.11 | Wobin | avoidance rates higher for me |
| 13:45.13 | Aelobin | not even for fail-proof dark command? |
| 13:45.25 | Wobin | you only need.. um. 13%? |
| 13:45.33 | Amarande | so "cut another gem" could potentially have been "cut another 40 zillion gold worth of gems" if unlucky |
| 13:45.33 | Wobin | oh wait no |
| 13:45.37 | Wobin | 9% |
| 13:45.49 | Wobin | oh hang on, it's a spell hit... god knows =P |
| 13:45.59 | nevcairiel | I've maybe had 10 GM tickets in my play time |
| 13:46.00 | Wobin | with the glyph, it's fairly unmissable |
| 13:46.06 | nevcairiel | 5 of those i bet were for mechanar :P |
| 13:46.18 | Amarande | anyway, I was returning from questing in that arakkoa place east of Auchindoun (not Skettis ... the one that you can actually walk to, I was in the 60s at this point and it was in the BC days when you couldn't fly till 70) |
| 13:46.42 | nevcairiel | They even restored a mini-pet i threw away back in *classic*, without even hestitating |
| 13:46.48 | Amarande | while I was there, I mined some fel iron, prospected it into a shadow draenite, and cut the gem, resulting in a lucky skill up (it was green, like all my cuts were at that point which is WHY I got so pissed off about it as to call a GM) |
| 13:46.52 | Aelobin | hmm hard choice :P |
| 13:47.00 | Amarande | anyway ... I get about halfway across Auchindoun and then I DC. |
| 13:47.19 | Amarande | When I reconnect, I'm back on top of the arakkoa place, lucky that I'm not DEAD from aggroing half the place right away due to where I was placed |
| 13:47.24 | Amarande | and my JC skill up is gone. |
| 13:47.37 | Amarande | however, strangely enough, the cut gem that gave me that skill up was *still there, and still cut* |
| 13:47.47 | Amarande | which is why I never quite figured out what happened there :) |
| 13:47.51 | nevcairiel | so a small reset, that happens often enough |
| 13:47.58 | nevcairiel | inventory is synced more often as char stats |
| 13:47.58 | Wobin | Amarande, gnomes |
| 13:48.00 | nevcairiel | known fact |
| 13:48.40 | Amarande | yeah, that would explain it |
| 13:48.42 | jnwhiteh | hai |
| 13:48.52 | Amarande | I don't know why they weren't able to replace the JC point though, that seems like a minor enough adjustment |
| 13:49.03 | Amarande | like I said, if it wasn't *that particular* point, I wouldn't have even thought about it |
| 13:49.08 | nevcairiel | its probably on their "we won't touch" list |
| 13:49.20 | Amarande | but there's a couple of spots in JC that are really, really F-bleeping irritating to get past |
| 13:49.26 | nevcairiel | because too many people would try to scam them out of poitns =p |
| 13:49.37 | Amarande | 295-300, and 320-325 are places where you are justified in getting pissed off. |
| 13:49.46 | Amarande | I think most other spots are pretty ok now |
| 13:49.57 | Mikk | Reroll draenei |
| 13:49.59 | Mikk | :P |
| 13:50.02 | nevcairiel | ha |
| 13:50.15 | Amarande | Mikk: I'm horde, that's not really a choice :P |
| 13:50.33 | nevcairiel | play draenei, level up JC, xfaction horde! |
| 13:50.34 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 13:50.39 | Amarande | the only time I've even touched alliance on my primary server was to make a DK so I could use it to get some recipes to smuggle across to Horde side |
| 13:50.56 | Amarande | because a few certain ones just weren't showing up on AH |
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| 13:51.27 | laeg | does it matter in which other a rogue buys his deadly offsets? |
| 13:51.29 | jpmorgan | am - but now u can pvp hordies :) |
| 13:51.32 | Wobin | http://nextround.net/upcoming/thumbs/2009/09/22/I-Blew-Two-Trannys-So-Far-This-Weekend-full.jpg |
| 13:51.45 | Amarande | I think I've brought across all the 1-300 ally only recipes now other than a few BS recipes that I couldn't because I didn't feel like taking the time to grind out BS on a throwaway DK just to qualify for quests |
| 13:52.01 | Amarande | you know what's strange though |
| 13:52.16 | Amarande | the horde red fireworks are worth about ten silver or so a piece on AH last I looked at auctioneer data |
| 13:52.28 | Amarande | but the alliance blue ones, which you'd think would be a lot rarer since a lot fewer horde engineers know blue firework |
| 13:52.28 | jpmorgan | i think wow would be much better if you could pvp your own faction |
| 13:52.50 | Amarande | are only worth like ... a few coppers lately |
| 13:52.50 | Amarande | what gives? |
| 13:52.51 | nevcairiel | someone probably flooded the AH :P |
| 13:52.52 | Mikk | jpmorgan: totally with you there |
| 13:52.57 | jpmorgan | just list it for 999 and who cares if it doesnt sell |
| 13:53.02 | jpmorgan | some completionist would buy it |
| 13:53.11 | Amarande | jpmorgan: ergh, don't remind me about bad auctioneer data |
| 13:53.20 | Amarande | I put 7 wool bandages up for 900g or so last night |
| 13:53.23 | Mikk | auc-filter-outlier |
| 13:53.30 | Amarande | didn't even know I did until after I looked at my auctions later in the night |
| 13:53.42 | Amarande | now I have to leave it there as an illustration of my noobishness because it would cost way too bloody much to cancel the auction |
| 13:53.47 | jpmorgan | if they sell, yay! |
| 13:53.58 | Amarande | jpmorgan: you mean "if they sell, and I don't get accused of participating in RMT" |
| 13:54.07 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk, http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/funny-pictures-cat-has-antennae.jpg |
| 13:54.08 | Mikk | grins |
| 13:54.08 | jpmorgan | rmt? |
| 13:54.12 | Amarande | real-money trading |
| 13:54.21 | Amarande | usually the reason you get bogus auctioneer data like that in the first place |
| 13:54.25 | jpmorgan | tell them to prove it or stfu |
| 13:54.30 | jnwhiteh | WTS http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44312 |
| 13:54.35 | Amarande | is because an item like that is being used in a gold seller deal as the means by which the money is transferred to the buyer |
| 13:55.09 | Mikk | OR by smrt ppl tainting auctioneer data |
| 13:55.13 | Amarande | jnwhiteh: sorry mate, my warrior is only level 14 :) |
| 13:55.27 | Mikk | OR by really really smrt people putting them up for a reasonable bid and a x100 buyout back in the day |
| 13:55.27 | jpmorgan | yah auctioneer wars is funzors |
| 13:55.35 | Mikk | because people would buyout that bandage for 99g instead of 99s |
| 13:55.40 | Mikk | just becase it was #1 in the list |
| 13:55.41 | Amarande | actually, come to think of it, one decision Blizzard made is going to open the door to RMT, unfortunately. |
| 13:55.43 | Mikk | (due to the bid) |
| 13:55.48 | Amarande | or at least potentially can |
| 13:55.52 | Mikk | mm TCG mounts |
| 13:55.53 | Mikk | being BoE |
| 13:55.57 | jnwhiteh | i just dont have time to sell them =) |
| 13:55.58 | Amarande | yeah, TCG mounts being BoE |
| 13:56.05 | jnwhiteh | mikma: know anyone who needs http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44312 ?:P |
| 13:56.09 | Amarande | if you're buying a TCG mount on the AH |
| 13:56.24 | Amarande | basically, you just sold gold, in a way :) |
| 13:56.28 | mikma | jnwhiteh: nope :( |
| 13:56.30 | Amarande | like I said |
| 13:56.36 | Amarande | how much is that nether rocket going for? like $1,000 or so? |
| 13:56.39 | jnwhiteh | hehe k |
| 13:56.41 | Mikk | i could do with a a pair of ilvl 245 plix |
| 13:56.44 | jnwhiteh | i dont need the money right now anywhere. |
| 13:56.52 | Amarande | also, like I said, "nether rocket" just sounds VERY VERY WRONG. |
| 13:56.52 | Amarande | lol |
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| 13:58.22 | Mikk | Now also available as a suppository! |
| 13:58.32 | jpmorgan | lol |
| 13:58.34 | Amarande | DO NOT USE AS A SUPPOSITORY |
| 13:58.45 | jpmorgan | "i'll buy that for a dollar" lol |
| 13:59.00 | Amarande | Mikk: looks like you and I both have the "Dirtied by Monty Python" debuff |
| 13:59.08 | Amarande | or would that be a buff? :) |
| 13:59.18 | Amarande | wait, it would have to be a debuff, it's beneficial but you shouldn't be able to just click it off |
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| 14:00.20 | Amarande | Lunessa, would "Monty Python Humor" be a buff or a debuff? |
| 14:00.24 | Mikk | scratches his nose. |
| 14:00.43 | Lunessa | Amarande: It would be both, like Thaddius' charges. |
| 14:00.49 | Mikk | One of those weird debuffs that does something situationally potentially good or nasty to you. |
| 14:00.53 | Mikk | Yeah exactly. |
| 14:01.15 | Amarande | You mean like what's his name's charges in H-Mech. |
| 14:01.21 | Mikk | In some companies, singing about wearing women's clothes just like your dear mamar is just right. |
| 14:01.27 | Mikk | Sometimes... not. |
| 14:01.27 | Amarande | You know what's weird, when I went to H-Mech for the first time and they were explaining to me about the charges |
| 14:01.35 | Amarande | I'm like ... "hey, isn't that like that boss in naxx?" |
| 14:01.40 | Amarande | and that's despite the fact that I"d actually never been to naxx |
| 14:02.18 | nevcairiel | i was kinda surprised that many people i picked up from LFG for H-Mech dealt quite nicely with the mechanic |
| 14:02.41 | Amarande | although sadly I managed to wipe the group in a really stupid manner on our first attempt due to the very mechanic |
| 14:02.43 | Mikk | The boss in mecha is harder. You need to dodge balls that go boom. |
| 14:02.46 | nevcairiel | remembering the fail from naxx, i wouldn't have assuemd that |
| 14:02.55 | Wobin | dodge? |
| 14:02.56 | Amarande | but that had more to do with not recognizing something about the terrain that I didn't realize was the case until too late :) |
| 14:02.56 | jpmorgan | nah pull it to stairs |
| 14:03.00 | Wobin | Yeah |
| 14:03.08 | Mikk | Yeah and then bring the rogue |
| 14:03.10 | Amarande | see, at one point, I had to move left, as was arranged for my type of charge |
| 14:03.13 | Wobin | or hunter |
| 14:03.17 | nevcairiel | our rogue always had fun with that |
| 14:03.21 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 14:03.22 | Amarande | and I didn't actually realize that yeah, you can walk off the left side of the staircase |
| 14:03.22 | jpmorgan | i figured out how to pull it thru the boxes but i cant remember how right now |
| 14:03.29 | Amarande | until ... well ... I had already walked OFF OF the left side of the staircase |
| 14:03.31 | Amarande | *oops* |
| 14:03.34 | Wobin | oh yeah |
| 14:03.35 | Mikk | haha |
| 14:03.36 | Wobin | I've done that =P |
| 14:03.53 | Mikk | CHARGE! INTERVENE! |
| 14:04.05 | Mikk | zipzizip |
| 14:04.11 | Amarande | and then we wiped due to critical DPS failure |
| 14:04.15 | nevcairiel | man i miss playing my warrior |
| 14:04.22 | nevcairiel | i loved playing it in BC |
| 14:04.25 | nevcairiel | but its still 70 |
| 14:04.26 | Amarande | because apparently, when you're dead, you do approximately zero dps |
| 14:04.27 | nevcairiel | :( |
| 14:04.35 | Mikk | aye i got my warrior up to 80 & loving it |
| 14:04.47 | nevcairiel | i got never motivated to level it up |
| 14:04.50 | Amarande | I say approximately, because dead aff locks can still dps for about eighteen to thirty seconds after kicking it :) |
| 14:05.24 | Amarande | I felt like leveling my other characters, and then I got caught up on this loremaster tangent |
| 14:05.32 | jpmorgan | i quite enjoy raising fallen party members w my dk |
| 14:05.38 | jpmorgan | saved a few near wipes |
| 14:06.07 | jpmorgan | how many quests u got done am? |
| 14:06.14 | Amarande | I'm trying to remember exactly what I was doing that got me off on the tangent |
| 14:06.19 | nevcairiel | raising people is more fun then anything |
| 14:06.24 | nevcairiel | you don't really do dps :P |
| 14:06.26 | Amarande | jpmorgan: 418 out of 550 for eastern kingdoms, in the mid 300s or so for kalimdor |
| 14:06.35 | jpmorgan | total tho? |
| 14:06.45 | Amarande | and all I have left for outland and northrend are blade's edge, zul'drak and icecrown |
| 14:06.47 | Wobin | nevcairiel, I've killed bosses when we had the ability to raise ourselves as a ghoul |
| 14:06.52 | Amarande | about 2277 or so |
| 14:06.53 | Lunessa | Ok, Windows 7 upgrade installed overnight on my office desktop - and it looks pretty sweet. |
| 14:06.56 | Amarande | *checks armory* |
| 14:07.01 | Wobin | Lunessa, it's shiny =) |
| 14:07.12 | Amarande | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&n=Alvaerin is the character |
| 14:07.15 | jpmorgan | ive scoured the game on my main for every quest. even found a couple randomly deep in other factions territory |
| 14:07.19 | Amarande | actually, doing this loremaster stuff is probably a good idea. |
| 14:07.27 | Amarande | means I'll gather up a lot of mats and recipes along the way |
| 14:07.36 | Lunessa | Wobin: Seriously. And I didn't have to use a clunky ATI app to set up my Dual Monitor config properly. |
| 14:07.38 | nevcairiel | loremaster was fun |
| 14:07.44 | nevcairiel | i enjoy questing and all that |
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| 14:08.14 | Wobin | Lunessa, It's refreshingly -simple- to install and get running |
| 14:08.17 | jpmorgan | woo 18 pages of herbs |
| 14:08.38 | Amarande | 2298/3000 for total quests towards Seeker |
| 14:08.42 | nevcairiel | if i can get myself to buy the next expansion, i might actually play a worgen and do loremaster all over again :P |
| 14:08.50 | Mikk | jeeeesus |
| 14:09.00 | Stanzilla | nevcairiel: wtf freak |
| 14:09.11 | Stanzilla | loremaster was hell for me :( |
| 14:09.19 | Lunessa | Wobin: And I like that the start bar is more Mac OSX dock-like. |
| 14:09.21 | nevcairiel | i liked going it |
| 14:09.57 | nevcairiel | Lunessa, you can finally re-order the bar, woooo! |
| 14:10.13 | Lunessa | Finally. |
| 14:10.25 | Wobin | Lunessa, The application grouping is quite nice too |
| 14:10.34 | Amarande | say |
| 14:10.42 | Amarande | when did the dalaran cooking awards achievement progress end up getting reset? |
| 14:10.44 | Wobin | as is the search facility in the start menu |
| 14:10.49 | nevcairiel | I wish the grouping had some more control, though |
| 14:11.00 | Amarande | obviously if I have Chef de Cuisine, I've had WAY MORE than 3 dalaran cooking awards ... |
| 14:11.02 | Lunessa | I'm going to enjoy it. I tolerated Vista - but I think I'll /like/ Windows 7 |
| 14:11.12 | Amarande | or do you have to have that many *unspent* cooking awards for the achievement now? |
| 14:11.27 | Wobin | Amarande, nyet |
| 14:12.08 | Amarande | ok, does anyone else get the oxymoron on the cooking achievements? |
| 14:12.17 | Amarande | "cook" 15/30/etc. of the Northrend cooking recipes below |
| 14:12.21 | Amarande | of which one is "Worg Tartare" |
| 14:12.23 | Amarande | ummmm .... |
| 14:12.26 | Amarande | "cook worg tartare" |
| 14:12.31 | Amarande | isn't that an oxymoron? :D |
| 14:12.46 | Fisker | your mom is an oxymoron |
| 14:12.58 | Amarande | "tartare" by definition means it's raw, far as I know LOL |
| 14:13.00 | Lunessa | "Cook" doesn't just mean "burn it with fire" |
| 14:13.07 | nevcairiel | the process is still "cooking" in a general sense |
| 14:13.18 | nevcairiel | its easier to say then "prepare the following meals" |
| 14:13.18 | Mikk | quite |
| 14:13.20 | Amarande | Now what would really be wrong is if, as you probably do, you need a cooking fire to make worg tartare. |
| 14:13.38 | Mikk | that would be the proverbial nail on the head there yes |
| 14:13.40 | Lunessa | and tartare is prepared food. :P |
| 14:13.51 | Mikk | Lunessa: well, in wow, you need a fire to make it :P |
| 14:13.53 | Mikk | = wrong |
| 14:14.02 | Amarande | ah, yeah, they did at least make it not require a fire :) |
| 14:14.04 | nevcairiel | This delicacy is best served raw and thus requires no cooking fire. |
| 14:14.07 | nevcairiel | l2read tooltips |
| 14:14.12 | nevcairiel | you dont need a fire |
| 14:14.12 | nevcairiel | ;) |
| 14:14.13 | Mikk | Aahhh |
| 14:14.20 | Mikk | shuts up |
| 14:15.36 | Fisker | declares victory over Mikk |
| 14:16.02 | Mikk | requests chanop |
| 14:16.18 | nevcairiel | doesnt work here :p |
| 14:16.20 | Fisker | denies Mikk |
| 14:16.25 | Mikk | Damnit, wrong channel |
| 14:18.19 | Amarande | crap, I hope I can get into EOTS without having to devote an entire day to waiting in queue and cooling my heels in trade in case it pops |
| 14:18.27 | Amarande | I just remembered I still need it for Chef :| |
| 14:19.44 | Amarande | hmm. |
| 14:19.51 | Amarande | proof that Blizzard didn't think at all about the achievement point values |
| 14:19.56 | Amarande | the classic reputation achievements tab |
| 14:20.16 | Amarande | you get 15 for Argent Dawn or Timbermaw, and 10 for Brood of Nozdormu, Zandalar Tribe or Hydraxian |
| 14:20.29 | Amarande | this is despite the fact that Argent Dawn is stupidly easy to max at 80, and Timbermaw not far behind |
| 14:20.42 | Amarande | while Hydraxian in particular is the most mind-numbing, insanity-inducing experience ever. :) |
| 14:20.53 | Sesshu| | eots? |
| 14:21.02 | nevcairiel | maybe you should've raided in classic! |
| 14:21.08 | Amarande | Sesshu: Eye of the Storm. In order to get Chef, you need among the other stuff, Dinner Impossible |
| 14:21.19 | Amarande | which requires you to use a Great Feast in each of the first five battlegrounds |
| 14:21.35 | Amarande | however, apparently almost no one goes to EOTS anymore, so it might be a loooong wait |
| 14:23.07 | Amarande | To make it worse, at some point rumor has it (if it hasn't happened already? I'm foggy on that now) that they want to change to not starting a new BG at all until there's enough people to start with it FULL on both sides |
| 14:23.15 | Amarande | unpopular BG + no start until it's full = ow. |
| 14:23.28 | nevcairiel | they did that with 3.2.2 |
| 14:23.43 | nevcairiel | it only opens when enough people for a full BG are in the queue on both sides |
| 14:24.16 | Wobin | Hydraxian is easy =P |
| 14:24.16 | Lunessa | Funny - in the battlegroup I'm in EotS is very popular. |
| 14:24.17 | jpmorgan | have u seen people kicking folks from wintergrasp raids? |
| 14:24.19 | jpmorgan | thats nuts |
| 14:24.20 | Wobin | just run MC a lot =P |
| 14:24.32 | jpmorgan | ew molten chore |
| 14:24.45 | Wobin | I'd run it on my hunter |
| 14:25.09 | Wobin | for the chance at the leaf |
| 14:25.13 | Wobin | I rolled him post wotlk =( |
| 14:25.22 | jpmorgan | too bad artifacts dont scale w level |
| 14:25.24 | Lunessa | Molten Core - you and 5 friends can clear it. |
| 14:26.15 | Amarande | Lunessa: Yeah, that's not really so much the issue |
| 14:26.28 | Amarande | the thing is that Hydraxian takes a really really long time investment, due to how so very few mobs give anything at all at Revered |
| 14:26.40 | Amarande | which is why I'm surprised it was one of the 10 pointers rather than a 15 |
| 14:26.59 | Amarande | given that, say, Argent Dawn you can get in a day or two, just keep running Scholomance over and over and over |
| 14:28.01 | Amarande | [Blackened Dragonfin] Recipe: Now only requires 1 [Dragonfin Angelfish] |
| 14:28.14 | Amarande | neat, but I'm still trying to figure out who might actually find significant use of this |
| 14:28.15 | Amarande | hunters, maybe? |
| 14:28.23 | Amarande | I can't think of any other class that would |
| 14:28.40 | jpmorgan | whats the buff? |
| 14:28.50 | Amarande | jpmorgan: Agil/Stam, and it also is one of the foods that restores both health and mana |
| 14:28.54 | Amarande | and I'm thinking like WTF is the point |
| 14:28.57 | jpmorgan | hunter |
| 14:29.09 | jpmorgan | for now. heard hunter mana is going byebye |
| 14:29.12 | Amarande | because I'm thinking ... rogues don't have mana ... druids have mana, but if they're going for an agil buff they're cats and don't use it ... |
| 14:29.22 | Amarande | hunter for now, yeah |
| 14:29.27 | Amarande | not sure if anyone will have use for it in Cat |
| 14:29.31 | Amarande | actually ... |
| 14:29.39 | Amarande | enh shaman. do they get AP more from str or agi? |
| 14:30.07 | Lunessa | And now to install XP Mode and Virtual PC so I can keep running exchange 2003 tools /sigh |
| 14:30.09 | Amarande | I keep forgetting about shammies all the time when I think about what stuff might be useful for heh |
| 14:31.37 | Amarande | ahh, shamans get it equally from either |
| 14:32.27 | Lunessa | Actually we get more from Agility now. Used to be Strength, but that changed with WotLK |
| 14:33.59 | Amarande | ahh |
| 14:34.06 | Amarande | so that's who the blackened dragonfin is made for then I guess :) |
| 14:34.15 | jpmorgan | genie is my favorite addon |
| 14:34.27 | Amarande | and hunters, but hunters won't have mana come Cat |
| 14:34.41 | Amarande | so enh shamans will be the only class to really have use for that food |
| 14:34.57 | Amarande | since rogues don't have mana, and druids who are looking for an agi buff are by definition going to be kitty and not be using mana :) |
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| 14:37.11 | Sesshu| | rofls |
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| 14:37.59 | Sesshu| | http://www.wowhead.com/?achievement=4402 |
| 14:38.12 | Sesshu| | i love blizzard :D |
| 14:38.17 | Amarande | meh, going for completism on jewelcrafting suddenly feels a lot more irritatingly tedious :| |
| 14:38.22 | Amarande | since I just realized something I'll have to do to do it |
| 14:38.52 | Amarande | I'll have to take my exalted scryers and go all the way to exalted aldor :| |
| 14:39.47 | jpmorgan | thats a feat too |
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| 14:43.06 | Elkano | morning Seerah :) |
| 14:43.17 | Seerah | morning, Elkano :) |
| 14:44.59 | Elkano | I wonder if I should try to ninja you in a PotW, again ;) |
| 14:45.07 | Seerah | hehe |
| 14:45.24 | Seerah | I always accept suggestions, but no guarantees are made ;) |
| 14:45.32 | Lunessa | You must bring us ... a SHRUBBERY! |
| 14:45.44 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 14:45.45 | Elkano | I finnaly found a reason to update ItemDB on WoWI again ^^ |
| 14:46.03 | Seerah | hehe - when was the last time it was updated? 2 yrs ago? :p |
| 14:46.09 | Seerah | 3? |
| 14:46.10 | Seerah | 4? |
| 14:47.28 | Elkano | almost 3 ^^' |
| 14:47.42 | Elkano | was the patch for WoW 2.0 |
| 14:48.49 | Seerah | did you say you wrote that in beta? or just after release? |
| 14:48.49 | Elkano | having wowace sync to curse automaticaly made me even lazier than I was before ^^' |
| 14:48.56 | Seerah | :p |
| 14:50.13 | Amarande | "[Val'anyr, Hammer of Ancient Kings]: This item's stats and level have been increased to match the power level of healer weapons coming from the Coliseum 25-person normal difficulty instance." -- 3.2.0 notes |
| 14:50.18 | Amarande | heh, is the legendary not really all that after all? :| |
| 14:50.28 | Elkano | I wrote it around cristmas 2005 actually ^^ |
| 14:50.45 | Seerah | Elkano: oohhhhh |
| 14:51.02 | Elkano | when Blizzard gave us GetItemInfo |
| 14:51.17 | Seerah | I'm trying to remember... when did Telo's LootLink come out? ah - same time maybe? |
| 14:51.49 | Elkano | http://web.archive.org/web/20071106150221/www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=cc4d6f3ee4f55e974c8637df32010531&id=4418 |
| 14:52.03 | Elkano | 2005/12/17 was the first beta release ^^ |
| 14:52.56 | Elkano | I think LootLink has been around before since it didn't use GetItemInfo |
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| 14:54.28 | Elkano | wow, archive.org even has the top pages from the date I uploaded it ^^ http://web.archive.org/web/20051218153947/http://www.wowinterface.com/ |
| 14:55.07 | Seerah | hehe |
| 14:55.09 | Amarande | Cross Server LFG?! |
| 14:55.36 | Amarande | I'm not sure if I should be happy or unhappy about this one when 3.3 hits :| |
| 14:56.21 | Lopeppeppy | Stay neutral, it's easier. |
| 14:56.22 | Amarande | I can see a lot of savvy tanks and healers deciding to make too extensive use of it, thus giving underprogressed DPS even more trouble getting into a PUG |
| 14:56.48 | Elkano | thnks god I have a guild :) |
| 14:56.51 | Lopeppeppy | Or savvy DPS can make themselves available more widely and start doing better. |
| 14:57.53 | Amarande | I'm more thinking ... you might really have to have ilvl 245 gear to do heroics once 3.3 is around. |
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| 14:58.04 | Lopeppeppy | Possible |
| 14:58.07 | Amarande | If you don't, someone on another server probably does, and will be chosen. |
| 14:58.58 | Amarande | And where will we get ilvl 245 gear to catch up? I'm pretty sure even if you buy the best crafted stuff, it's still only 226 |
| 14:59.17 | Amarande | (and costs as much as a Mechano-Hog per piece probably, if I'm thinking right with all these crusader orbs it needs ...) |
| 14:59.20 | Lopeppeppy | Make your own pugs then. If you're the leader, you choose. |
| 14:59.30 | Slafsinator | then underprogressed DPS can just as well host their own damn PUGs and set the requirements for the party themselves |
| 15:00.07 | Amarande | How much DO those high end crafted pieces cost on AH on you guys' servers, anyway? |
| 15:00.09 | Elkano | like in "no inderprogressed DPS"? ;) |
| 15:01.23 | Amarande | also sees the distinct possibility of social erosion similar to what I've experienced in the BGs :| |
| 15:01.36 | Amarande | I mean, right now, you can get to know people when you do heroics with them. |
| 15:02.05 | Amarande | With cross-server heroics, it'll be like when you made a new buddy on a battleground and then realize you will never see or talk to them again once the BG is finished, because you can no longer /w them once you're out of the instance. |
| 15:02.05 | Slafsinator | I'm seeing almost only new faces every time I do a heroic as it is |
| 15:02.17 | Amarande | Hmm. |
| 15:02.22 | Amarande | That makes me think |
| 15:02.28 | Slafsinator | o shi- |
| 15:02.34 | Amarande | if they're going to add more cross-server features, why not cross-server /w? |
| 15:02.48 | Amarande | You can already do it when you're in a BG, but once you leave the BG, you can't talk to the person anymore. |
| 15:03.31 | Elkano | cross-server /w would be cool... no need to create chars on multiple servers to get my gold to the players... ;) |
| 15:04.47 | Lopeppeppy | Can just form a party and trade it physically. |
| 15:05.04 | Lopeppeppy | Gold farmers are going to go insane with this feature. They'll never be able to track items for restore. |
| 15:09.49 | olafski | amarande: maybe with the new battle.net features? |
| 15:10.30 | Elkano | yeah, most likely |
| 15:10.45 | olafski | you can talk to your guild from other games.. why not to other people on other servers :) |
| 15:10.51 | Elkano | since you can see people in other games, realm bounds won't stop them anymore |
| 15:11.57 | Amarande | Peppy: don't forget ninjas, too |
| 15:12.45 | Amarande | Especially, people who are still probationers in their raid guilds and fear they might be too borderline on their gear will feel quite pleased to be able to need on whatever out from other people's noses and never have to be seen again by their victims |
| 15:13.26 | Amarande | All you'll hear is "sry, if I don't improve my dps by another 300 before tuesday they'll gkick me, really need it, sry" and then they split. |
| 15:13.49 | Amarande | (You can always tell who's *actually* sorry, by the fact that they will say "sorry." If you hear "sry" ... nope. :P) |
| 15:14.03 | nevcairiel | some people are just lazy |
| 15:14.34 | Amarande | maybe raid guilds aren't quite that draconian about gear as that might suggest |
| 15:14.37 | Amarande | but still, the notion remains |
| 15:14.47 | olafski | hah |
| 15:14.51 | Amarande | that this cross-server thing is going to allow a lot of ninjas to get away with their trade |
| 15:14.52 | olafski | had a retri paladin need on a 1h mace the other day |
| 15:14.55 | olafski | he said he "needed" it |
| 15:15.13 | nevcairiel | maybe he wants to dual in tanking |
| 15:15.17 | nevcairiel | or healing if it was a sp mace |
| 15:15.18 | Amarande | because if, say, I pick up someone from another server |
| 15:15.19 | olafski | with a dps mace :< |
| 15:15.25 | olafski | I should have mentioned that:P |
| 15:15.25 | Amarande | that someone doesn't have to worry about what Turalyon thinks of them in the future |
| 15:15.46 | Amarande | because they can just go back to playing with their guild elsewhere after they ninja my group's stuff and never have to see us again |
| 15:15.59 | olafski | amarande: so use master looter :) |
| 15:16.08 | Amarande | I'm trying to remember, do Paladins still need spellpower to tank? |
| 15:16.13 | Amarande | or did that go away with WotLK? |
| 15:16.16 | olafski | don't think so |
| 15:16.19 | Amarande | I haven't played a pally since BC, soo ... |
| 15:16.41 | Amarande | and I know in BC they did need spellpower to tank effectively |
| 15:17.00 | nevcairiel | i think they scrapped that |
| 15:17.06 | nevcairiel | get spellpower from other stats, or so |
| 15:17.23 | Slafsinator | they get it from str now |
| 15:17.29 | Lopeppeppy | paladin tanks no longer need spellpower as a stat, I believe it comes from strength now, and has a talent too |
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| 15:37.32 | Lunessa | I'm Bob Saget, this is what I do. This is my house, my car and this is my crew! |
| 15:39.09 | Lopeppeppy | Mew? |
| 15:40.10 | zenzelezz | it's amusing that the main two things that came out of that show was an intense hatred of Bob Saget and a countdown until til Olsen twins turned legal |
| 15:40.23 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
| 15:40.29 | Lopeppeppy | They're skanky. I feel bad for them. |
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| 15:51.24 | Lunessa | http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/2730/rollin-with-saget-from-ilikestuff - NSFW - Language. |
| 15:58.37 | Fisker | trips Lunessa |
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| 16:01.34 | Lunessa | praftalls |
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| 16:01.36 | foxlit | Hey, Fisker, http://www.version2.dk/artikel/12137-hullet-hjemmevaerns-webside-udstillede-soldater?bund |
| 16:01.51 | foxlit | Who do they think they're fooling with that gaussian blur? |
| 16:02.46 | Amarande | *sigh* |
| 16:02.51 | Amarande | EJ makes me feel hopelessly inadequate sometimes :| |
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| 16:03.25 | Amarande | "Enhancement shamans can do up to 9,446 or so DPS now." |
| 16:03.34 | foxlit | What? |
| 16:03.47 | foxlit | I'm sure it's 9,554.33333, repeating. |
| 16:03.54 | Amarande | foxlit: basically, I'm thinking about the DPS that DPS classes are mentioned as being able to put out these days |
| 16:04.15 | Amarande | and wondering if my poor little warlock is pretty much a hopeless cause in group situations now, and will only drag a group down because they could have brought an over nine thousand monster instead of me :| |
| 16:04.33 | kdtresh | meh, the ratio of game to life for people at that point is probably embarrassing |
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| 16:04.49 | foxlit | While numbers are awesome, numbers are also irrelevant. |
| 16:04.49 | Amarande | I do ... 2,000-2,400 or so DPS. |
| 16:04.56 | Amarande | Which feels totally inadequate. |
| 16:05.02 | foxlit | okay, my level 2 twink does 2,000 to 2,400 dps. |
| 16:05.17 | Amarande | Especially since that's "on a good day" DPS. My experience in heroics is that a lot of the boss battles include mechanics that significantly depress my ability to do DPS. |
| 16:05.36 | foxlit | You're comparing apples to theoretical oranges. |
| 16:05.45 | durcyn | are you geared and specced like a moron? i've done 2000 naked on my warlock. |
| 16:05.47 | Amarande | Drak'Tharon, for instance. This was the last time I went to a heroic, since it was the daily on Turalyon the other day, and the first time I've gotten some hard numbers since it's the first one I've done with this build and recount actually installed. |
| 16:05.56 | foxlit | A pointless endeavor even on a good day :) |
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| 16:06.37 | nevcairiel | people did more then 2000 dps in BC o.O |
| 16:06.48 | durcyn | literally naked |
| 16:06.52 | Amarande | I did about 2300 on the first boss and way less on the other ones (due, apparently, to mechanics - the lich boss has several much lower HP trash adds you have to kill first, which always makes warlocks, especially aff locks look bad on the meters; the devilsaur boss uses fear and Tharon'ja uses that weird thing that forces you to use the much less effective special skeleton abilities) |
| 16:06.52 | kdtresh | yeah, the same people doing 9k now |
| 16:06.58 | Lunessa | That 9,446 number for enhancement shaman is "perfect rotation in simulation" - Busting my ass and with decent (not perfect) gear, fully raid buffed with all conditions being right - I can crank out about 5.5K on a raid boss. |
| 16:07.20 | durcyn | and why are you specced aff, go get a non-tarded 0/13/58 spec and be done with it |
| 16:07.38 | Amarande | durcyn: I thought aff was supposed to be better till you get Ulduar grade gear? |
| 16:07.40 | kdtresh | some people reject the idea of cookie-cutter specs |
| 16:07.45 | durcyn | not anymore |
| 16:07.49 | foxlit | Lunessa: I'm sure it also includes "stars aligning in a perfect line" and "gravitational effects of high tide on your latency" |
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| 16:08.00 | Amarande | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Turalyon&n=Alvaerin <-- Gear. |
| 16:08.08 | Amarande | Or is it not really gear, just geer? :) |
| 16:08.12 | durcyn | kdtresh: those are the kind of people who'd also "reject" the idea of breathing air, good riddance to them |
| 16:08.20 | Lunessa | foxlit: And that you snorted the magic fairy dust and pooped gold right before the fight. |
| 16:08.52 | Amarande | Remember, I took six months off from WoW from March 12-September 9 or so, so I didn't get to farm during that time period (including most of the time TOC has been out). |
| 16:09.08 | foxlit | No excuse for not wearing full tier 17. |
| 16:09.10 | kdtresh | durcyn: that must be a boring world you live in |
| 16:09.17 | Amarande | Rawr seems to suggest that 2200-2300 or so is actually about right for this gear. |
| 16:09.38 | foxlit | I did an awesome 600dps this tuesday. |
| 16:09.48 | Lunessa | I disagreed with some of the spec choices for enchancement that EJ proposed - they were right, I was wrong. |
| 16:09.50 | durcyn | kdtresh: refusing to optimize doesn't make you clever or original, it makes you ignorant |
| 16:10.14 | Amarande | Basically, I start to wonder if I really contribute well to heroic groups, or if I just make the instance take 3 times as long as if they could have taken a raider. |
| 16:10.20 | Amarande | Or if I stand a ghost of a chance at becoming a raider, or if I'll be seen as the reason we get too close to enrage timers every time :| |
| 16:10.27 | Fisker | damage isn't that big an issue |
| 16:10.46 | nevcairiel | less damage = more time to make mistakes |
| 16:10.56 | Amarande | I guess I wonder sometimes how much skill really matters as DPS, compared to having gotten in early and frequently enough on the right groups to get to the top of the class in gear |
| 16:11.08 | Fisker | We did HoL heroic and i(as the tank) was on top of damage |
| 16:11.11 | Fisker | at around 2500 dps |
| 16:11.13 | kdtresh | durcyn: adhering strictly to the party line doesn't make you clever or original, it makes you a sheep |
| 16:11.17 | Amarande | Nobody bugs the tanks and healers about their numbers as long as people don't die. |
| 16:11.25 | Amarande | On the other hand, when you're DPS, it seems that numbers are the only thing that count. :| |
| 16:11.27 | Slafsinator | Amarande: just go destro |
| 16:11.34 | Fisker | still did it in about half an hour(Where some delays were actually my fault, so could probably have shaved it to 25) |
| 16:11.39 | durcyn | kdtresh: why are you arguing philosophy about godamn talent specs for dps classes, stop trying to be cleverer than you really aren't |
| 16:11.51 | foxlit | (Unless you're actively mischievous, you cannot prolong an instance run by a factor of 3 just by the virtue of being in a group) |
| 16:12.06 | Bruners | i sense drama |
| 16:12.14 | durcyn | Amarande: you're shooting yourself in the foot speccing aff for 5-man dungeons, it sucks on short fights, go get destro. |
| 16:12.38 | Lunessa | Amarande: Skill is important. More so than gear. But skill is "knowing the abilities, knowing what they do, knowing when to use them, then actually DOING it." |
| 16:12.53 | Lopeppeppy | And knowing when not to use them! :) |
| 16:13.12 | foxlit | hasn't looked at theorycrafting about his class for the longest time. |
| 16:13.23 | Lunessa | I bitch at tanks all the time. Enh Shaman are threat MONSTERS. If you're a weak tank, I'm going to bitch at you a LOT. |
| 16:13.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: because dps numbers are a measurable constant. They can be measured, improved, with no equivocation. |
| 16:13.31 | kdtresh | durcyn: i'm just pointing out that there are other paths. not everyone needs 6k dps, naked or otherwise, to succeed and be happy |
| 16:13.40 | Slafsinator | Amarande: OTOH, when tanks or healers are undergeared, you wipe. DPS being low just prolongs thing |
| 16:13.41 | Amarande | Lunessa: And then finding that you STILL don't perform, because other people who were able to get in on the right groups have so much better gear than you that when you pump out your best skill, you're still doing 2000 less DPS than the geared folks are doing lazily. |
| 16:14.03 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN, off for doctorings! |
| 16:14.12 | tem | ~framexml |
| 16:14.13 | purl | Official: (Mac) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.dmg, (Win) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.zip. Compare: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 16:14.14 | durcyn | kdtresh: happiness isn't really relevant to min/maxing, but okay |
| 16:14.15 | NightHawkTheSane | good luck Lopeppeppy |
| 16:14.26 | Amarande | I guess I'm thinking, why take someone like me who does 2200, even if we do a *good* 2200, vs. someone who does a lazy 3500-4000? |
| 16:14.45 | kdtresh | durcyn: no, but having fun is kinda the point of the game... isn't it? |
| 16:14.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: well, i dont think this applies in your case, but if someone really likes playing with the person in question, that would go a long way |
| 16:14.56 | Slafsinator | Amarande: stop self-loathing and respec destro already :) |
| 16:15.07 | Slafsinator | you will cease doing pitiful damage just by virtue of being properly specced |
| 16:15.08 | durcyn | kdtresh: not always. |
| 16:15.09 | nevcairiel | good that i never played a dps |
| 16:15.09 | Lunessa | Amarande: I have a regular raid slot - not because of my personal DPS - thought I am top 5, but because I bring a lot to the raid as a person and as my character. Anyone can learn to do good DPS - and many people, based on class mechanics will do more than I. So don't get too hung up. Just practice, practice, practice. |
| 16:15.25 | durcyn | kdtresh: i know plenty of top-end raiders who are miserable people =P |
| 16:15.46 | NightHawkTheSane | I've played with mages who -insisted- on raiding frost because I enjoyed playing with them. (Sure, I was disappointed in their choice, but i never really considered booting them..) |
| 16:16.09 | kdtresh | durcyn: ugh, i work all day, i don't need to go home and work all evening too :P |
| 16:16.11 | NightHawkTheSane | (there ought to be a comma in there) |
| 16:16.31 | Amarande | On the good side, I've never actually been kicked out of a group. :) |
| 16:16.56 | Bruners | choose the talent spec your having fun playing to be honest |
| 16:16.58 | durcyn | Amarande: seriously, though, aff in 5-mans is a good way to make yourself hate life |
| 16:16.59 | Amarande | And I'm generally a pretty good person to play with. :) |
| 16:16.59 | nevcairiel | NightHawkTheSane, that gets complicated if that attitude swaps over to all the raid, and suddenly everyone comes in their pvp spec <.< |
| 16:17.19 | foxlit | Amarande: math homework for today: calculate the time, as a factor of boss health, that your sub-par dps prolongs encounters by :) |
| 16:17.27 | foxlit | s/factor/function/ |
| 16:17.32 | Amarande | durcyn: yeah, it seems a fun enough spec, but otoh, I hardly ever get to show my full pewpew |
| 16:17.35 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: *shrug* yeah, it can. But i mean, if everyone is okay with the implications of that, is that really a problem? |
| 16:17.41 | foxlit | The answer may surprise you. |
| 16:17.44 | foxlit | </mathad> |
| 16:17.45 | durcyn | Amarande: nothing lives long enough for death's embrace to kick in |
| 16:17.51 | NightHawkTheSane | I mean, in my case, I -knew- that she was going to hold us back on real progression. I was okay with that |
| 16:17.56 | Amarande | It's hard to get your full DPS as aff against anything but tank & spank bosses. |
| 16:18.13 | Amarande | There seem fairly few of these in WotLK 5-mans. The first boss in Drak'Tharon being a good example. |
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| 16:18.15 | Bruners | what is the coomon affliction spec now? |
| 16:18.17 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: surprise in which direction? |
| 16:18.24 | Amarande | Bruners: 56/0/15 or slight variants |
| 16:18.31 | Amarande | actually, that makes me think |
| 16:18.36 | Amarande | for destro |
| 16:18.48 | Amarande | do the optimal specs have room for 3 in suppression, or am I going to have to find the extra 78 hit rating from gear? |
| 16:19.00 | durcyn | ideally you want to drop suppression |
| 16:19.24 | durcyn | lets you pick up ISL, which means fewer wasted GCDs |
| 16:19.25 | Amarande | It seems I have a hard time finding that extra hit except by dropping my DPS by swapping out spellpower gems for yellow hit gems |
| 16:19.50 | Bruners | you shouldnt really gem for hit either :P |
| 16:19.54 | durcyn | never gem hit |
| 16:20.00 | Amarande | which I already wonder if in 5-mans I really have a legitimate excuse to do, since hit capping is only of use in raids |
| 16:20.18 | Fisker | slaps durcyn around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:20.20 | Lunessa | As a caster, you'll get your +hit from other gear. |
| 16:20.23 | NightHawkTheSane | theorycrafting is 90% useless in anything that's not a raid. |
| 16:20.39 | durcyn | Fisker: i'm going to nuke denmark from orbit |
| 16:20.53 | Amarande | and really, my DPS figures probably aren't the main reason I'm not getting in groups |
| 16:20.59 | Fisker | i don't care durcyn |
| 16:20.59 | Bruners | haha, denmark would be so screwed with a nuke |
| 16:21.02 | Fisker | i hope eyou destroy it |
| 16:21.03 | Amarande | that would be there being too many DPS wanting groups, and not enough tank/healer pairs |
| 16:21.11 | Bruners | tiny country with no mountains |
| 16:21.22 | Fisker | we got mountains |
| 16:21.28 | foxlit | we've got hills, man! |
| 16:21.41 | NightHawkTheSane | great.. tracks of land? |
| 16:21.42 | Amarande | blah. have to leave for work in a bit over 2 hours. probably not enough time to solo both parts of BRS. |
| 16:21.48 | Amarande | especially since I always get lost. :| |
| 16:21.49 | foxlit | [But seriously, why would you care about elevation when you're being nuked?] |
| 16:22.23 | Amarande | It took me 3-4 runs before I learned BRD enough to not get lost. And I've been to BRS less - and it's bigger. |
| 16:22.29 | Fisker | the blast would be diverted up into the air and back to the sender foxlit |
| 16:22.31 | Fisker | obviously |
| 16:22.34 | NightHawkTheSane | because that hill is totally going to protect you from nuclear fallout, foxlit |
| 16:22.44 | Amarande | I think that's why I always loved Strat and Scholo. |
| 16:22.47 | Amarande | You can't get lost there. :) |
| 16:22.58 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: would a mountain? |
| 16:22.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: i know several people who would disagree with that. |
| 16:22.59 | Fisker | you can't get lost in any instance |
| 16:23.00 | Lunessa | foxlit: Because you want to get UNDER that mountain. |
| 16:23.09 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: obviously! :) |
| 16:23.11 | Amarande | Night: you know folks who got lost in Scholo? :) |
| 16:23.11 | foxlit | Underground bunkers would work just as well, then. |
| 16:23.17 | Bruners | Fisker: http://home.online.no/~glangfjo/meloy/skrov1.jpg this is mountains |
| 16:23.22 | NightHawkTheSane | I know folks who get lost in UC. |
| 16:23.27 | NightHawkTheSane | They're.. sense of direction is not exceptional. |
| 16:23.28 | foxlit | But you're still screwed for sustainable sources of consumables. |
| 16:23.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Their* |
| 16:23.44 | Amarande | eh, the problem with UC isn't getting lost, the problem with UC is that half it all looks the same and remembering who's where can be a pain |
| 16:23.46 | NightHawkTheSane | cries |
| 16:23.52 | foxlit | I'm not convinced mountains are an advantage here. |
| 16:24.08 | foxlit | I mean, they may just prevent the nuclear fallout from escaping to sweden. |
| 16:24.28 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, i doubt it. but i'm not famliar with the local weather patterns |
| 16:24.36 | Amarande | The Blackrock instances are just plain huge, though. |
| 16:24.59 | foxlit | The blackrock instances are a design trainwreck. |
| 16:25.09 | Amarande | Sadly, I do need to do UBRS. |
| 16:25.12 | foxlit | Except for BWL, clearly. |
| 16:25.20 | Amarande | I need to do UBRS because I am a bloody pigheaded cooking completist. |
| 16:25.26 | Amarande | Which means I need to do the stupid AQ40 chain. |
| 16:25.32 | Amarande | Which means I have to go to BWL about FORTY MILLION TIMES. |
| 16:25.41 | Amarande | Which means I have to go do UBRS so I can get attuned so I can go to aforementioned BWL ... |
| 16:25.59 | Bruners | Fisker: http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/15867348.jpg more mountains for you |
| 16:26.23 | Amarande | (Besides, you pretty much have to do the AQ40 chain if you want to get the Loremaster of Kalimdor achievement without tears.) |
| 16:27.09 | Amarande | I also have to do these LBRS/UBRS quests so I can get them towards my EK loremaster, too. |
| 16:28.03 | Amarande | hmm |
| 16:28.12 | Amarande | how many separate trips to BWL are required for the AQ chain again? |
| 16:28.26 | Amarande | (assuming you don't screw anything up, that is) |
| 16:28.32 | Fisker | you call that a mountain Bruners? |
| 16:28.35 | Fisker | THIS IS A MOUNTAIN: http://www.ejer-baunehoj.dk/archive/m5Guide1%20kopi.jpg |
| 16:28.47 | Bruners | ^^ |
| 16:29.27 | Bruners | Fisker: at the same time i showed you photos of where i used to live |
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| 16:30.13 | foxlit | er, 2? |
| 16:30.23 | foxlit | Once to get a head, once to get a shard. |
| 16:31.38 | Amarande | I could have sworn it was more. :) |
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| 16:33.15 | Amarande | cool, using lock summoning into BWL causes bugs. :| |
| 16:33.35 | ArrowmasterClass | the person probably isnt attuned |
| 16:34.03 | Shirik | Your password has expired and must be changed. |
| 16:34.14 | Shirik | But oh, btw, our password change webpage doesn't work in all browsers. |
| 16:34.21 | ArrowmasterClass | Shirik: die |
| 16:34.28 | ArrowmasterClass | i have to change my fucking password every damn quarter |
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| 16:34.40 | ArrowmasterClass | and they remember upto like 10 previous passwords |
| 16:34.40 | Amarande | Arrow: apparently it has to do with the Razorgore boss fight, actually |
| 16:35.01 | Amarande | according to wowwiki, if you lock summon someone into BWL, it can cause that fight's room to keep spawning adds constantly even after Razorgore is downed |
| 16:35.09 | Amarande | which basically means you never get to leave combat for the rest of the instance |
| 16:35.27 | ArrowmasterClass | Shirik: oh and our entire school login system seems to be broken in some browsers now |
| 16:35.32 | Shirik | nice |
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| 16:36.04 | ArrowmasterClass | ok i can login now, i couldnt during class lastnight |
| 16:36.26 | ArrowmasterClass | i had to use IE on the computer instead of firefox on my flash drive |
| 16:36.26 | Amarande | how hard is the five-hour gauntlet in BWL these days? |
| 16:36.27 | Amarande | (I'm assuming stupidly easy, but ...) |
| 16:36.33 | ArrowmasterClass | Amarande: yes stupidly easy |
| 16:36.33 | DWSR | Easy as cake. |
| 16:36.40 | DWSR | The whole instance should take you like less than 2 hours. |
| 16:36.48 | Amarande | probably takes you longer to get the raid together these days than to do the instance :) |
| 16:37.07 | Amarande | really, the only issue I should have on the whole AQ40 chain is managing to get into an Ony raid with ilvl 200 gear |
| 16:37.13 | ArrowmasterClass | the only major time sink could be if you keep wiping on nef |
| 16:37.19 | Amarande | well, ilvl 200 plus any badge or TOC gear I pick up in the meanwhile |
| 16:37.41 | ArrowmasterClass | i fell asleep on nef once |
| 16:37.41 | DWSR | Arrowmaster: Firemaw, actually. |
| 16:37.43 | Amarande | well |
| 16:37.46 | DWSR | err, Amarande* |
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| 16:37.49 | DWSR | Nef's a joke. |
| 16:37.50 | Amarande | that and getting the stupid book page from Stormwind |
| 16:37.54 | Amarande | I hate to think how many corpse runs that's going to involve. :) |
| 16:37.57 | ArrowmasterClass | stormwind is easy |
| 16:38.17 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 16:38.30 | DWSR | Go from the docks. |
| 16:38.33 | DWSR | Mount, and keep on running |
| 16:38.34 | Amarande | yeah, probably is, there's a spot or two I've found where it's pretty easy to stop and catch your breath because the guards don't chase you in and players usually don't go there |
| 16:38.52 | ArrowmasterClass | i got the book achievement before wrath went live, i had to run though stormwind at lvl 70 with the 75 guards |
| 16:39.12 | Lunessa | BWL sucks to do still - class calls still suck. Supression Room still sucks. Firemaw still fucking sucks without cloaks. |
| 16:39.28 | ArrowmasterClass | i still have my cloak..... |
| 16:39.37 | ArrowmasterClass | who the hell would delete that |
| 16:39.57 | DWSR | Lunessa: Firemaw's the one that puts the stacks of flame buffet on you. |
| 16:40.01 | Lunessa | I never had one until I decided to go do BWL for the achievement on my shaman |
| 16:40.08 | DWSR | He just sucks because everyone's retarded. |
| 16:40.20 | Lunessa | Bah - I get the names mixed up. |
| 16:40.48 | ArrowmasterClass | nef is the one that kills you if you dont have a cloak |
| 16:40.54 | ArrowmasterClass | (or dont know the secret trick) |
| 16:41.08 | DWSR | Firemaw's just kinda retarded because no one understands that you have to break LoS on the boss. |
| 16:41.11 | Lunessa | Nef sucks. It just F'ing SUCKS. |
| 16:41.16 | DWSR | Everyone's like "But we can just PEW PEW right?" |
| 16:41.29 | ArrowmasterClass | i used to just PEW PEW on firemaw.... |
| 16:41.38 | DWSR | And then you probably died. |
| 16:41.44 | ArrowmasterClass | i had a resto druid healboting me and let me stay out to 15 stacks |
| 16:42.31 | Amarande | hmm |
| 16:42.45 | DWSR | It's so funny to fight Ony and watch melee die to the cleave. |
| 16:42.47 | Amarande | Vaelastrasz still needs four tanks, I presume? |
| 16:42.50 | DWSR | ahahahaha, fucking tards. |
| 16:42.52 | Amarande | And they need to be non paladins? |
| 16:42.59 | DWSR | Amarande: No, I've done it with 3. |
| 16:43.08 | ArrowmasterClass | ive done it with 1 |
| 16:43.16 | DWSR | It can be done with only 1 or 2. |
| 16:43.27 | Amarande | DWSR: god, flame buffet, I know that debuff well from my 70 days |
| 16:43.51 | Amarande | shit in Burning Steppes casts it like it's going out of style |
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| 16:43.54 | Amarande | and made them actually dangerous even at 70 :) |
| 16:44.06 | DWSR | yeah. |
| 16:44.20 | Amarande | doesn't seem to be so much an issue at 80 since it basically never connects now |
| 16:44.28 | Amarande | though that won't help with firemaw I'm sure heh |
| 16:44.58 | DWSR | Yeah, he's a boss level character. |
| 16:45.02 | DWSR | He always hits you |
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| 16:47.33 | DWSR | I've done BWL. |
| 16:47.45 | DWSR | The hardest boss in there was Firemaw because people don't understand the concept of breaking LoS. |
| 16:47.48 | DWSR | Nef was a joke. |
| 16:48.14 | ArrowmasterClass | i liked the drakes |
| 16:48.27 | Lunessa | Actually - I died to that cleave. Trying to get into that perfect spot, I was out of place for the wrong half-second... |
| 16:48.40 | Adys | [19:46:49] <DWSR> Nef was a joke. |
| 16:48.46 | Adys | then you havent done bwl |
| 16:48.54 | DWSR | Adys: I mean to say that I did it at 80. |
| 16:48.57 | ArrowmasterClass | ebonroc used to be a fucking threat nightmare but the drakes were interesting fights |
| 16:49.21 | ArrowmasterClass | i had to hangout with the rogues for ebonroc |
| 16:49.47 | ArrowmasterClass | they played ebonroc roullete |
| 16:52.36 | Slafsinator | I think we wiped 1 time total on ebonroc, and that was not our first try. if you look up "undertuned raid boss" in the dictionary, you find an illustration of ebonroc in the upper right-hand corner |
| 16:52.41 | ArrowmasterClass | ebonroc roullete was standing ontop of an offtank and eating knockaway's to reduce their threat |
| 16:53.42 | ArrowmasterClass | if i didnt play ebonroc roullete the raid would yell at me when they got shadowflamed and werent wearing their cloaks |
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| 16:56.12 | NeoTron | I always wore my cloak for the drakes |
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| 16:56.14 | NeoTron | just in case |
| 16:56.19 | JunkHead-Work | Hey, |
| 16:56.25 | ArrowmasterClass | same |
| 16:56.54 | ArrowmasterClass | firemaw was probably safe for the melee to not wear the cloak |
| 16:57.20 | ArrowmasterClass | but the other 2 were a little ADD on their tanking target |
| 16:57.39 | Amarande | Vael apparently used to be totally evil because basically the game decided if it wanted you to win that attempt or not, and there apparently wasn't (at 60 anyway) a damn thing you could do about it |
| 16:58.30 | DWSR | Amarande: Yeah, I could see that |
| 16:59.03 | ArrowmasterClass | you needed about 5 warrior tanks for vael |
| 16:59.50 | Slafsinator | on the first kills yes |
| 16:59.57 | ArrowmasterClass | BA was mana only targets right? |
| 16:59.59 | Slafsinator | later on the raid had enough DPS to only require 3 or so |
| 17:00.18 | Amarande | BA: every third hit the current tank, the other ones hit random mana users |
| 17:00.35 | DWSR | yeah |
| 17:00.47 | ArrowmasterClass | yeah we didnt really get that high enough DPS i dont think, we kinda cleared BWL in 1 month |
| 17:00.47 | DWSR | I remember the attempt when I cleared BWL he kept targetting healers. |
| 17:01.00 | DWSR | So at the end of the fight, we had like 1 healer. |
| 17:01.02 | Amarande | (Don't know how it initially was, but current behavior is that a Paladin main tank cannot be the target of the "random mana user" one) |
| 17:01.29 | DWSR | Amarande: They probably make him have some sort of mana pool threshold. |
| 17:01.30 | ArrowmasterClass | at 60 only warriors were possible tanks |
| 17:01.35 | ArrowmasterClass | nobody else had execute |
| 17:01.39 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 17:01.58 | ArrowmasterClass | vael was basicly just execute tanking |
| 17:02.00 | Amarande | DWSR: based on wowhead gleanings it seems to be "any random mana user but not the #1 threat slot" |
| 17:03.06 | DWSR | yeah, but which mana users melee besides paladins? |
| 17:03.14 | DWSR | which mana users could tank besides paladins? |
| 17:03.52 | DWSR | It would be unfair for paladins to be on both the "any random mana user" and "current tank" threat list. |
| 17:04.14 | DWSR | However, as Arrowmaster said, they never had anything but warrior tanks in BWL @ 60. |
| 17:04.19 | DWSR | Though, I thought sometimes you saw bear tanks. |
| 17:04.38 | NightHawkTheSane | once in a while, some crazy druid convinced their guild they could do it |
| 17:04.49 | NightHawkTheSane | once in a while, they were even successful |
| 17:04.53 | ArrowmasterClass | druid could maybe do the first tank at 60 |
| 17:05.03 | ArrowmasterClass | since warriors couldnt execute yet |
| 17:06.20 | olafski | < DWSR> yeah, but which mana users melee besides paladins? <-- shamans ;) |
| 17:06.27 | DWSR | olafski: SHHH |
| 17:06.31 | olafski | but yeah they can't tank |
| 17:06.32 | DWSR | Don't poke holes in my logic. |
| 17:06.40 | olafski | and at lvl 60 anything except warrior wasn't a viable tank |
| 17:06.58 | kdtresh | druids are technically mana users too, they have a bar in bear form |
| 17:07.14 | kdtresh | though they don't use it |
| 17:07.25 | olafski | tanking ragnaros as a druid was considered a feat iirc ;-) |
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| 17:07.34 | NightHawkTheSane | at 60, you didn't see shamans meleeing really |
| 17:07.39 | Lunessa | Man... I don't know what the <bleep> you just said, Little Kid, but you're special man, you reached out, and you touch a brother's heart. |
| 17:07.48 | ArrowmasterClass | we had an enchance shaman in the raid at 60 |
| 17:07.57 | ArrowmasterClass | he was the tanks totem bitch |
| 17:08.05 | Amarande | ok, so how exactly does picking up the quest from Vael work? |
| 17:08.14 | Amarande | from what I'm reading, the tank is supposed to talk to Vael because talking to Vael starts the fight |
| 17:08.15 | DWSR | Amarande: For the key to UBRS? |
| 17:08.15 | NightHawkTheSane | ArrowmasterClass: yeah, but that was the huge exception and not the rule |
| 17:08.22 | Amarande | but obviously you have to talk to him to get the quest ... |
| 17:08.26 | Amarande | DWSR: for the AQ40 chain quest |
| 17:08.38 | DWSR | ah. |
| 17:08.45 | DWSR | i unno. |
| 17:08.47 | ArrowmasterClass | Amarande: you can talk to him but theres a gossip thing to click that actually starts the fight |
| 17:08.49 | NightHawkTheSane | didn't part of that quest require like a 2 hour clear of bwl or something? |
| 17:08.50 | DWSR | I never did AQ40 @ 60. |
| 17:08.57 | Amarande | Arrow: ahh, I was wondering if that was the case |
| 17:09.03 | Amarande | Night: 5 hours from Vael through to Nef |
| 17:09.13 | ArrowmasterClass | my guild broke up because of aq40 |
| 17:09.14 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, probably no big deal at 80 then |
| 17:09.15 | Amarande | It's still the same 5 hours, so the quest is silly easy now |
| 17:09.18 | olafski | yeah you can talk to vael before you engage him the first time |
| 17:09.23 | ArrowmasterClass | nobody would ever showup for progression raids |
| 17:09.35 | olafski | hah wiping on cthun was fun |
| 17:09.42 | Amarande | assuming your tank isn't stupid and starts the battle too soon and makes you wait another week, I guess |
| 17:10.04 | NightHawkTheSane | "Hi, i'm going to use this MVC framework, but just not use views in half the pages." ARGHLKDSFJ *cries* |
| 17:10.04 | ArrowmasterClass | ive never done it, it could be automatic |
| 17:10.21 | DWSR | olafski: C'Thun's so lulzy with 40 80s. |
| 17:10.24 | ArrowmasterClass | i have the quest though |
| 17:10.33 | Amarande | in any case, I can probably get away with talking to him at 80, I'm sure there's time for the tank to pick up aggro before I get wonked |
| 17:10.38 | ArrowmasterClass | c'thun was lolzy with 40 70s |
| 17:10.42 | olafski | dwsr: well yes :P but not with lvl 60s |
| 17:10.47 | olafski | we wiped for like 2 weeks on him |
| 17:10.50 | Amarande | also: looks like I may need to get the Onyxia cloak after all *sigh* |
| 17:10.52 | olafski | much lag on the server at that time too |
| 17:11.10 | DWSR | olafski: His health buff with 40 80s kinda looks like the channeling bar for drain soul. |
| 17:11.10 | Amarande | since my ilvl 200 gear only leaves me with about 16k hp |
| 17:11.10 | olafski | amarande: you can talk to him and he won't get engaged |
| 17:11.15 | Amarande | apparently, you need over 20k to safely get away without using the cloak |
| 17:11.21 | ccox | http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/24/video-windows-7-launch-party-parody-is-bleeping-genius/#continued |
| 17:11.24 | olafski | health buff? or health bar |
| 17:11.34 | DWSR | bar |
| 17:11.36 | olafski | ah |
| 17:11.37 | olafski | yeah |
| 17:11.41 | NightHawkTheSane | ccox: i think i've seen that, and its hilarious. |
| 17:11.42 | olafski | not that much hp I guess |
| 17:11.44 | DWSR | The whole fight took us like 10 seconds. |
| 17:11.52 | Amarande | heh, you know what a fun way to die is against c'thun? |
| 17:12.02 | DWSR | Nah, but it's amazing how many 80s will jump at the chance to do just C'thun for an achievement |
| 17:12.05 | olafski | dwsr: don't you still have to get him vulnerable? |
| 17:12.06 | Amarande | go with a ton of warlocks, and have them all put CoD on him so you know the combined damage will ace him |
| 17:12.07 | ccox | NightHawkTheSane: yep |
| 17:12.21 | DWSR | err... no? |
| 17:12.22 | Amarande | yaaaaaay 30+ doomguards all at once :D |
| 17:12.28 | DWSR | I dunno what happened. |
| 17:12.29 | olafski | eye of cthun, 1.3M hp, c'thun 1M hp |
| 17:12.32 | DWSR | We just went PEW PEW |
| 17:12.44 | DWSR | oh yeah. |
| 17:12.49 | DWSR | We definitely killed his health bar twice. |
| 17:12.54 | DWSR | But the whole fight lasted like less than a minute |
| 17:13.05 | olafski | hm but in phase 2 you need to make him vulnerable by destroying the tentacles in his belly |
| 17:13.19 | DWSR | lol we didn't really do that. |
| 17:13.31 | DWSR | He has like a 90% damage reduce or something without being vulnerable. |
| 17:13.38 | olafski | really.. hmmm |
| 17:13.51 | DWSR | dude, I don't even know. |
| 17:13.55 | ArrowmasterClass | when i did it at 70 a lot of the warlocks had chaosbolt (i didnt) |
| 17:13.55 | DWSR | Maybe someone did make him vulnerable. |
| 17:14.03 | DWSR | But like, we fucking pew pewed. |
| 17:14.06 | DWSR | And won |
| 17:14.12 | DWSR | Pretty much story of wotlk |
| 17:14.12 | olafski | hehe |
| 17:14.20 | ArrowmasterClass | yeah when he went vulnerable for us the healthbar just droped |
| 17:17.17 | olafski | we did it in 3 vulnerable stages the first kill |
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| 17:25.00 | Shirik | :( |
| 17:25.03 | Shirik | I got yelled at for not having `mail` installed |
| 17:25.07 | Shirik | on my server |
| 17:27.04 | DWSR | ... |
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| 17:29.15 | Shirik | is that really that bad? |
| 17:29.19 | Shirik | I have `sendmail` |
| 17:30.03 | ArrowmasterClass | who yelled at you? |
| 17:30.13 | ArrowmasterClass | mail is used for reading mail i think |
| 17:30.27 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 17:30.44 | foxlit | You're a horrible, horrible person because you haven't installed a particular piece of software. |
| 17:30.47 | Shirik | user of the system yelled :P |
| 17:31.44 | NeoTron | what's wrong with "hello -m"? :P (I am aware they nerfed the functionality some years back) |
| 17:33.08 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/125687 << teehee |
| 17:33.09 | Shirik | hello -m? |
| 17:33.23 | Shirik | lol foxlit |
| 17:33.33 | Shirik | having fun :) |
| 17:33.38 | foxlit | It's awesome. |
| 17:33.47 | foxlit | Supports unicode and stuff. |
| 17:34.15 | foxlit | (And uses truetype fonts, too) |
| 17:34.27 | Shirik | supports unicode well? |
| 17:34.30 | Shirik | Render a chinese character |
| 17:34.52 | foxlit | I wonder if my Arial font contains chinese characters. |
| 17:34.52 | ArrowmasterClass | its on a console how can it support truetype fonts? the console should handle that stuff |
| 17:35.04 | ArrowmasterClass | Arial Narrow Unicode does |
| 17:35.09 | ArrowmasterClass | but you probably dont have that |
| 17:35.35 | Shirik | ç§ |
| 17:35.35 | Shirik | do that |
| 17:36.15 | foxlit | You can stare at http://pastey.net/125688 while I go find the proper font :) |
| 17:36.25 | Shirik | lol |
| 17:36.38 | DWSR | lol |
| 17:36.46 | Shirik | you shouldn't use X |
| 17:36.51 | Shirik | you should use the actual character |
| 17:37.09 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/125689 |
| 17:37.26 | Shirik | nice |
| 17:37.34 | Shirik | not exactly readable |
| 17:37.35 | Shirik | but nice |
| 17:38.08 | foxlit | Needs a bit more resolution if I'm insiting on monochrome displays. |
| 17:38.19 | Shirik | you should use the character imo |
| 17:38.29 | ArrowmasterClass | pastey is still broken on utf8 |
| 17:38.32 | mikma | image of the day: 2 men and 1 atv |
| 17:38.33 | Shirik | like those old school printers where to print a huge character you would just print a bunch of those small characters |
| 17:38.46 | Shirik | mikma: Is that the male version of 2 girls 1 cup? |
| 17:38.48 | foxlit | Shirik: I could be compelled to use the filled box character :) |
| 17:39.43 | foxlit | ArrowmasterClass: It's more that it uses actual fonts to figure out how the output should look. |
| 17:40.16 | ArrowmasterClass | use the real unicode drawing characters |
| 17:40.39 | ArrowmasterClass | get a higher resolution |
| 17:40.50 | foxlit | The console output is more of a side effect; I'm actually after overlaying it on video. |
| 17:41.06 | ArrowmasterClass | why do that? |
| 17:41.17 | Shirik | foxlit: Like this: http://pastey.net/125690 |
| 17:41.41 | foxlit | Shirik: clever! |
| 17:41.50 | ArrowmasterClass | there are much better ways for overlaying text on video |
| 17:41.59 | foxlit | ArrowmasterClass: mhm? |
| 17:42.11 | Shirik | like D3DDrawText? |
| 17:42.13 | Shirik | :P |
| 17:42.27 | foxlit | (a) Not on a DX platform. |
| 17:42.48 | Shirik | well now whose fault is that |
| 17:42.53 | foxlit | (b) Actually want it to work on an ipod. |
| 17:43.03 | foxlit | The poor thing doesn't support softsubs :( |
| 17:43.18 | Shirik | everything seems to come back to the use of Apple products |
| 17:43.21 | ArrowmasterClass | use .ass to make pretty subs then hardcode them onto the video |
| 17:43.25 | Shirik | I think that is the root cause |
| 17:44.14 | foxlit | ArrowmasterClass: Essentially, that's my plan, except without the ass. |
| 17:44.26 | ArrowmasterClass | why? |
| 17:44.40 | ArrowmasterClass | its a good sub format |
| 17:45.39 | ArrowmasterClass | gtg |
| 17:45.43 | foxlit | ArrowmasterClass: I'd much rather write code to glue a text renderer to a video encoder than write code to convert one sub format to another and use their renderer. |
| 17:45.51 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Shirik -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.2.x ToC: 30200 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Essentially, that's my plan, except without the ass. -- foxlit |
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| 17:46.33 | foxlit | Shirik: The world would be a sadder place without Apple products :) |
| 17:46.39 | Shirik | nah |
| 17:46.45 | foxlit | I'd have to, what, watch video on my zune? |
| 17:46.49 | nevcairiel | a lengthy discussion about the ass format would probably yield lots of out-of-context quotes |
| 17:46.51 | foxlit | And does that support softsubs? |
| 17:49.28 | Lunessa | zune, improved and still no one cares. |
| 17:50.06 | Aelobin | msoul: ping :< |
| 17:51.27 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/09/24/funny-pictures-much-cute-is-i/ |
| 17:52.21 | Shirik | what is "temporary greylist embargoed" |
| 17:52.24 | Shirik | in mail logs? |
| 17:53.27 | Shirik | Sep 24 10:47:00 localhost postfix/smtp[7971]: BD6B212E406: to=<address>, relay=<remote host>:25, delay=3.6, delays=0.38/0.01/1.6/1.5, dsn=4.2.1, status=deferred (host <remote host> said: 452 4.2.1 mail n8OEkw93023017 from <local server public IP> temporary greylist embargoed (in reply to end of DATA command)) |
| 17:54.24 | Shirik | brb |
| 17:56.43 | p3lim | awesome, finally they added directly full-featured support for the wow mouse |
| 17:57.03 | p3lim | now if only windows could do the same :p |
| 17:57.04 | durcyn | funny way to phrase it, but greylisting is just rejecting the first attempt since most botnets don't retry |
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| 18:07.45 | Shirik | so ScytheBlade1 |
| 18:07.47 | Shirik | you are the man |
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| 18:27.01 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: zune hd only supports .mp4 it seems for h264, so that means the only softsubs it could possible support are the builtin .mp4 ones that NOBODY ever uses because they suck more than .srt |
| 18:28.11 | Arrowmaster | come on divx where are you with the getting hardware manufactures to support .mkv and proper softsubs |
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| 18:51.15 | mikma | shirik: it's the new "oh shit i'm stupid and crash the atv in the forrest without any protective gear" :D |
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| 18:57.06 | Bruners | wooo blizzcon pet code |
| 18:58.29 | Fisker | o |
| 18:58.30 | Fisker | l |
| 18:58.31 | Fisker | d |
| 18:58.33 | Fisker | OLD |
| 18:58.42 | Bruners | i just got it dumbass |
| 18:58.56 | Fisker | no |
| 18:59.33 | mikma | yes, you are. |
| 18:59.59 | Fisker | maybe |
| 19:00.02 | Fisker | but he didn't just get it |
| 19:00.22 | Bruners | my google notification thing just popped up saying i got the mail |
| 19:00.34 | Fisker | nope |
| 19:00.40 | Fisker | well maybe |
| 19:00.44 | Fisker | but it wasn't about the pet |
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| 19:03.03 | zenzelezz | snuggles Lopeppeppy with great vigour |
| 19:04.07 | Lopeppeppy | Ugh. Jut ugh. Cortisone shots are not all they're cracked up to be. |
| 19:04.48 | nicoli_s | ouch |
| 19:05.44 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. my hand feels like it was held laces out for a 60 yard punt. |
| 19:06.10 | Lopeppeppy | Once i eat, I can have pain meds, whee, then nap it all off. |
| 19:10.12 | nicoli_s | what happenned? |
| 19:10.52 | Lopeppeppy | trigger thumb, can't bend it. Cortisone will lessen the swelling in the space and maybe free it up again. |
| 19:11.50 | nicoli_s | ouch |
| 19:11.59 | Lopeppeppy | very |
| 19:12.08 | nicoli_s | hope it gets better soon, hand injuries are the worst |
| 19:13.30 | Bruners | the prepares a fish feast is an emote right? |
| 19:14.42 | jpmorgan | ooh ow. i bent my thumb alll the way back on a sailboat a while back. that sucked for weeks |
| 19:23.02 | alestane | Oh that's right, you were at the doctor's today. |
| 19:23.47 | Lunessa | Bruners: Yes. |
| 19:23.51 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: /comfort |
| 19:25.53 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't think they were going to *do* anything today, or I would have arranged better for skiping work tomorrow. Bah. |
| 19:26.06 | Fisker | that's so cute Adys |
| 19:26.07 | Fisker | http://img.moronail.net/img/4/4/1844.jpg |
| 19:26.15 | Lopeppeppy | 12 gallons of fluid shoved into a gallon space. Yargh. |
| 19:32.12 | alestane | So, no holding hands today. |
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| 19:36.19 | Lopeppeppy | Not for a week, alestane |
| 19:36.30 | alestane | Ooh, owie!! |
| 19:36.45 | alestane | Did they immobilize it? |
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| 19:36.59 | Lopeppeppy | Very. ice and rest for 48 hours, limited motion for another 3 days. |
| 19:37.08 | Lopeppeppy | Nope. Just a bandaid around the joint :) |
| 19:37.17 | Cairenn | what did you do to it? |
| 19:38.09 | alestane | Trigger thumb, Cairenn. |
| 19:38.11 | Lopeppeppy | i didn't, Cairenn, trigger thumb is idiopathic, it just decides to happen. mostly to children, not adults, but i'm weird that way |
| 19:38.17 | Cairenn | ah |
| 19:38.24 | Lopeppeppy | I missed you, Cairenn!! |
| 19:38.31 | Cairenn | missededed you too |
| 19:38.35 | Cairenn | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 19:39.00 | alestane | Careful, Cairenn, the last time she smissed me, she said welcome back with a blazing-hot pop tart in my shorts. |
| 19:39.10 | Cairenn | heh |
| 19:39.14 | Lopeppeppy | I meant it as a sign of affection. |
| 19:39.25 | Lopeppeppy | Cannot cook poptarts, can't open the package. |
| 19:39.35 | Cairenn | Lopeppeppy: :( |
| 19:40.09 | Lopeppeppy | Well, with scissors I can, of course. But I'm depending on bagged salad and cold cuts for the most part. Easy, not overly evil |
| 19:40.17 | Lopeppeppy | And better living through chemicals, of course. |
| 19:40.27 | Cairenn | nod |
| 19:40.40 | durcyn | opposable thumbs are overrated |
| 19:40.56 | Cairenn | hands Lopeppeppy an icepack to help take down the swelling |
| 19:41.03 | Lopeppeppy | bite me, mokey boy! |
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| 19:41.18 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, Cairenn. I have to do the 20 on, 20 off all afternoon |
| 19:41.22 | Cairenn | nod |
| 19:42.52 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: Shouldn't divx be dead by now? |
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| 19:43.19 | Arrowmaster | divx has moved from mpeg4 part 2 to mpeg4 part 10 |
| 19:43.37 | foxlit | That would assume I know what the parts are. |
| 19:43.39 | Arrowmaster | aka h264 |
| 19:43.57 | foxlit | So why divx and not say x264? |
| 19:43.58 | Arrowmaster | aka mpeg4 avc |
| 19:44.17 | Arrowmaster | x264 is just an encoder for h264 |
| 19:44.29 | foxlit | And divx is? |
| 19:44.34 | Arrowmaster | a company |
| 19:44.34 | nevcairiel | a decoder, too =P |
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| 19:44.43 | durcyn | he's asking what's the point of divx trying to move into that already crowded space |
| 19:44.53 | durcyn | other than brand recognition, which is debatable |
| 19:44.57 | nevcairiel | h264 is the future, everyone wants in |
| 19:45.04 | Lunessa | Opposable thumbs are so cool most primates have 4! |
| 19:45.09 | alestane | Wasn't DivX a hack to fit mp4 data into an AVI container? |
| 19:45.10 | foxlit | wru, semantic video encoding :*( |
| 19:45.39 | NeoTron | ok so this really bugs me |
| 19:45.42 | NeoTron | http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/09/24/terror.indictment/index.html |
| 19:45.47 | durcyn | alestane: it was a 'hack' only in that they distributed a modified microsoft codec |
| 19:45.53 | NeoTron | "conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction -- explosive bombs " |
| 19:45.59 | NeoTron | an "explosive bomb" is NOT a WMD |
| 19:46.00 | nevcairiel | the avi container supports mpeg4 streams, but its ugly, and no-one should use it :P |
| 19:46.12 | Arrowmaster | divx (the company) has brand recognition on hardware players, companies are more likely to listen to them so they can put the little DivX logo on their players |
| 19:46.35 | nevcairiel | NeoTron, doesnt that depend on how much explodes when the bomb goes off? :P |
| 19:46.39 | Arrowmaster | so the company is in a position to make hardware support of h264 better |
| 19:46.40 | durcyn | psh, it's just a container, as long as there's a codec that provides a valid mpeg4 fourCC code, then who cares if it's a kludge |
| 19:47.13 | NeoTron | nevcairiel: well in theory but they go on to mention things like shoe bombs and stuff |
| 19:47.15 | Arrowmaster | b-frames in avi are a total hack and mostly dont work |
| 19:47.22 | NeoTron | I doubt he had anything nearing the power of a nuclear bomb |
| 19:47.23 | nevcairiel | does divx have their own x264 encoder by now? |
| 19:47.26 | durcyn | and why would you want to use the 'official' quicktime container anyway? it's arguably worse than avi |
| 19:47.33 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: h264, and yes |
| 19:47.34 | nevcairiel | er, h264 encoder :P |
| 19:47.53 | nevcairiel | durcyn, indeed, mkv is the future ;) |
| 19:48.11 | Arrowmaster | divx has a multicore h264 decoder thats free and is perty close to coreavc |
| 19:48.18 | foxlit | beer? |
| 19:48.25 | Lopeppeppy | ale |
| 19:48.28 | durcyn | xbmc streams mkv like shit from samba :/ |
| 19:48.57 | foxlit | What's wrong with mp4, anyway? :) |
| 19:49.08 | nevcairiel | I finally managed to get coreavc to work on linux last week |
| 19:49.16 | durcyn | the technology or the term, foxlit? |
| 19:49.19 | Arrowmaster | http://www.cccp-project.net/wiki/index.php?title=DivX_H.264 |
| 19:49.21 | nevcairiel | although i didnt see a substantial performance increase :( |
| 19:49.24 | foxlit | durcyn: the container format. |
| 19:49.26 | nevcairiel | CUDA doesnt work on linux yet :( |
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| 19:49.47 | alestane | Dammit, Lunessa! |
| 19:49.51 | alestane | is too slow. |
| 19:49.56 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: do you have the CUDA libs? i know theres both 64 and 32 bit ones for my distro |
| 19:49.59 | durcyn | foxlit: there isn't one |
| 19:50.02 | Lunessa | Haha. |
| 19:50.13 | Lunessa | I even had time to edit. |
| 19:50.21 | nevcairiel | Arrowmaster, i believe so, but its not important, a 1080p movie goes at about 15% on one core |
| 19:50.38 | durcyn | an 'mp4' file is quite literally a quicktime .mov with an h.264 video stream |
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| 19:50.50 | foxlit | Consider the question suitably rephrased. |
| 19:51.06 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: .mp4 doesnt support softsubs at all, and theres multiple conflicting implementations of AAC and AC3 for it |
| 19:51.07 | durcyn | anyway, the only intelligent argument i've seen for mkv over mov is subtitles |
| 19:51.26 | durcyn | so apparently anime kids are going to decide our future for us |
| 19:51.52 | nevcairiel | its kinda neat to get a full dvd into one file, including all sub titles |
| 19:52.03 | Arrowmaster | durcyn: the mkv format is designed to be future proof unlike all the other containers |
| 19:52.14 | durcyn | it's just a container, i care more about the codecs |
| 19:52.52 | foxlit | "MPEG-4 Part 14, formally http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Organization_for_Standardization/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Electrotechnical_Commission 14496-14:2003, is a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multimedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Container_format_(digital) standard specified as a part of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-4." |
| 19:52.59 | foxlit | (oh copy paste god :/) |
| 19:53.58 | foxlit | "Almost any kind of data can be embedded in MPEG-4 Part 14 files through private streams." << So apparently you could subtitle them. |
| 19:54.20 | Lopeppeppy | likes subtitles |
| 19:54.20 | Arrowmaster | yeah but theres no standard for private streams afaik |
| 19:54.38 | nevcairiel | there even is an official subtitle format |
| 19:54.43 | Arrowmaster | ttxt |
| 19:54.45 | Arrowmaster | which sucks |
| 19:54.47 | foxlit | /care :) |
| 19:54.50 | nevcairiel | MPEG-4 Part 17 |
| 19:54.50 | nevcairiel | or so |
| 19:54.56 | nevcairiel | MPEG-4 Timed Text |
| 19:55.04 | Arrowmaster | its worse than SRT afaik |
| 19:55.07 | foxlit | Most of the current subtitle formats seem to have evolved ad-hoc |
| 19:55.25 | smcn | odd question, anyone have any suggestions on where to buy energy drinks cheap in bulk? monster specifically? :P |
| 19:55.27 | foxlit | "Hey, let's store things that way!" "Oh, great, now I have to display those!" |
| 19:55.31 | nevcairiel | i wonder how a subtitle format can suck |
| 19:55.45 | Lopeppeppy | smcn, amazon? ebay? |
| 19:55.51 | nevcairiel | i mean, who cares, as long as the subs come in synchronized to the movie :P |
| 19:55.57 | Arrowmaster | smcn: thinkgeek? |
| 19:56.00 | durcyn | smcn: overdoseme.com obv. |
| 19:56.00 | foxlit | nevcairiel: The only thing that comes to mind is layout/presentation mechanics. |
| 19:56.09 | Lopeppeppy | geek would be spensiver |
| 19:56.26 | foxlit | It could leave everything up to the player, which could result in inflexibility (SRT, basically). |
| 19:56.59 | foxlit | It could specify obnoxious amounts of preferences as to where, with which font, and in what color and with what special effects to display subtitles (ass). |
| 19:57.10 | smcn | durcyn: haha, that's an actual website... selling websites for holiday homes? |
| 19:57.22 | Arrowmaster | ttxt seems to be something like SRT in XML, who the fuck would want to actually work with that |
| 19:57.56 | durcyn | smcn: probably just some lame parkvertising |
| 19:58.01 | foxlit | XML is parsable |
| 19:58.03 | smcn | indeed |
| 19:58.13 | Arrowmaster | its not human readable or writable |
| 19:58.37 | nevcairiel | its not supposed to be read by humans <.< |
| 19:58.44 | foxlit | Why would I care? |
| 19:59.30 | durcyn | arrowmaster forms his subtitle files by holding disk platters up and letting cosmic rays flip the bits for him, apparently |
| 20:00.46 | ScytheBlade1 | My stomach is eating itself |
| 20:00.55 | Lopeppeppy | eat a sammich |
| 20:01.02 | NeoTron | http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2009/04/definition_of_w.html ok so that's why |
| 20:01.07 | ScytheBlade1 | nothing in the fridge to make a sandwich |
| 20:01.17 | Lopeppeppy | drink water |
| 20:01.17 | NeoTron | they redefined WMD to basically mean all weapons |
| 20:01.23 | ScytheBlade1 | That's all I've got :( |
| 20:01.37 | alestane | Anything that kills more than one person at once? |
| 20:01.39 | foxlit | except handguns |
| 20:02.06 | NeoTron | foxlit: apparently, including hand guns |
| 20:02.34 | NeoTron | I guess "which has any barrel with a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter; " |
| 20:02.41 | NeoTron | might exclude quite a few handguns.. :P |
| 20:02.56 | durcyn | uh, what caliber are the handguns where you're from |
| 20:03.08 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, also, go shopping |
| 20:03.15 | ScytheBlade1 | need monies |
| 20:03.19 | NeoTron | durcyn: as I said... :P |
| 20:03.33 | NeoTron | even so the guy that built a cannon for his son, did in fact build a WMD |
| 20:03.35 | NeoTron | who'd known |
| 20:05.03 | NeoTron | durcyn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrett_M82 <- WMD gun |
| 20:05.23 | NeoTron | so the myth busters have (unknowingly?) used WMD's on their show to test stuff! |
| 20:05.36 | durcyn | yes, i'm going to carry around a sniper rifle on my belt |
| 20:05.40 | durcyn | you did say handgun |
| 20:05.42 | Fisker | slaps durcyn around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:05.48 | Lopeppeppy | No. They would do it KNOWINGLY |
| 20:05.52 | nevcairiel | who wouldn't want to test a WMD |
| 20:06.00 | jpmorgan | fire, fire, fire, fire, <blam>, hit |
| 20:06.53 | jpmorgan | (from movie jarhead) worth a view i think |
| 20:06.58 | Lopeppeppy | Nappies now. TTFN' |
| 20:07.09 | NeoTron | durcyn: I missed the part about the barrel size initially |
| 20:07.32 | NeoTron | in either case, I guess this means they found WMD's in Iraq! |
| 20:07.33 | durcyn | i guess that'd make flareguns WMDs though |
| 20:07.40 | NeoTron | and brought plenty of their own there too |
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| 20:08.03 | NeoTron | durcyn: nope. The term "destructive device" shall not include any device which is neither designed nor redesigned for use as a weapon; |
| 20:08.23 | durcyn | flare guns are the same caliber as elephant guns |
| 20:08.27 | durcyn | and can fire their ammunition... once. |
| 20:08.32 | NeoTron | but they aren't intended to be weapons |
| 20:08.48 | durcyn | eh, whose intent? =P |
| 20:08.57 | nevcairiel | the designers =p |
| 20:09.53 | foxlit | Great, brewfest ends tomorrow <3 |
| 20:09.55 | NeoTron | the level of sanity in that definition is minimal |
| 20:10.03 | NeoTron | but at least there is some |
| 20:10.13 | NeoTron | it's funny to think of friends at school constructed WMD's |
| 20:10.39 | NeoTron | heck, we committed an act of terrorism by using these WMD's to blow up an old broken computer in the forest behind the school! |
| 20:11.10 | durcyn | Fisker is a weapon of ass destruction |
| 20:16.38 | Fisker | i wish |
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| 20:34.38 | Shirik | Woman gets pregnant while pregnant: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33006136/ns/health-kids_and_parenting/?gt1=43001 |
| 20:34.41 | Shirik | hax imo |
| 20:35.31 | Thunder_Child | good hax or bad hax? |
| 20:43.54 | ckknight | Sup dawg, I heard you like babies, so I put a baby next to yo baby, so you can give birth while you give birth. |
| 20:44.06 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart ckknight |
| 20:44.07 | purl | hooks into a hydrant and hoses ckknight down |
| 20:44.07 | KarlKFI|work | 19lb baby, also hax: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32999499/ns/today-parenting_and_family/?ns=today-parenting_and_family |
| 20:45.41 | KarlKFI|work | âthe way heâs crying is not like a usual baby. Itâs really loud.â |
| 20:46.04 | KarlKFI|work | please god, don't let me have one of those |
| 20:46.14 | nevcairiel | wait wait, usual babys are not loud compared to him? |
| 20:46.29 | nevcairiel | i already consider usual babys way too loud |
| 20:46.33 | KarlKFI|work | apparently. that means he must be like 150 decibels |
| 20:46.59 | KarlKFI|work | i already want to throttle babies when they cry |
| 20:47.27 | KarlKFI|work | any louder and i think i might |
| 20:47.28 | nevcairiel | i hate driving in the bus or train with some mother that can't make her baby shut up |
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| 20:55.45 | Thunder_Child | you drive a bus or train? |
| 20:57.34 | durcyn | http://granades.com/2009/09/24/hobbit-419/ ... heh. |
| 21:01.47 | NeoTron | so yeah any baby pretty much cries loudly |
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| 21:03.25 | NeoTron | so it'd be scary to hear a baby that, compared to normal babies, cries really loudly.. |
| 21:05.49 | Shirik | it would be like babies on airplanes |
| 21:05.54 | Shirik | they always are 5x as loud |
| 21:16.16 | Lunessa | like a blog, but explodier |
| 21:20.13 | Lunessa | it never fails. No matter what time of day I decide I need to take a leak, the cleaning crew has closed off all the restrooms within short walking distance. |
| 21:23.41 | Shirik | .. |
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| 21:24.35 | Lunessa | I'd say it pisses me off, but that joke is too easy. |
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| 21:55.26 | foxlit | WoWInsider's eternal questioning of who'd win a fight between "opponents that share similar levels, health pools, and comparative damage output" bug me :/ |
| 21:55.31 | foxlit | ^s |
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| 22:09.03 | bleeter | Dear Blizz, Grunty for buying net stream -> 10/10. Email with Grunty code having all the appearances of email scam -> Minus several bajizillion. Kthxbai. <3 Bleeter. |
| 22:09.41 | bleeter | foxlit: WoWInsider bugs me, end of story. They're the sort of site that has in the past promoted activities that violate EULA/ToS |
| 22:10.28 | foxlit | It's like "Suppose this unbreakable sword hits that other unbreakable sword. Now, which sword would break?" |
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| 22:12.33 | bleeter | a lot of what I've seen them write is that kinda crap, ie shite to keep the page impressions up with the mindless jerks who don't know any better |
| 22:12.50 | bleeter | not that I've read *that* much, just... yeah I'd tend to agree ;) |
| 22:13.00 | Hjalte | foxlit: Swords don't usually break when they hit stuff :D |
| 22:13.54 | foxlit | Hjalte: I can think of at least two famous broken swords. |
| 22:15.01 | Hjalte | foxlit: Now you're being stupid, just say "Thanks Hjalte, how can I ever repay you" next time. |
| 22:16.26 | foxlit | Hjalte: gigo :) |
| 22:16.39 | Lunessa | LGIFGO |
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| 22:34.17 | kd3 | whee, brewmaster |
| 22:34.39 | kd3 | wtb kodo |
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| 22:37.22 | Arrowmaster | bleeter: looks like its rayv.com's fault for the email, they sent it through the 3rd party company |
| 22:38.40 | foxlit | what fault, out of interest? :) |
| 22:39.53 | Arrowmaster | the code for the blizzcon pet was sent by rayv.com through createsend2.com, and every link in it is a redirect using mailman.netcraft.co.il |
| 22:41.03 | foxlit | netcraft confirms the death of anonymous email? |
| 22:41.25 | Arrowmaster | i doubt thats the real netcraft |
| 22:41.27 | Arrowmaster | is it? |
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| 22:42.20 | foxlit | I was guessing italy, but looking at this RTL script, I'm guessing israel |
| 22:42.40 | foxlit | So yeah, probably not the real netcraft. |
| 22:42.51 | Arrowmaster | google needs to start marking stuff that has urls that link to completely different urls as spam then all this crap would stop |
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| 22:43.11 | foxlit | Thing is, my client already marked that mail as spam. |
| 22:43.29 | Arrowmaster | OH WHAT THE FUCK |
| 22:43.42 | foxlit | False positive as far as I'm concerned, however. |
| 22:43.43 | Arrowmaster | the pet is BoP not BoA |
| 22:43.50 | foxlit | You get a new one on every char. |
| 22:43.52 | kd3 | yes. but it should spawn on every char |
| 22:44.01 | kd3 | much like collector's edition pets |
| 22:44.02 | foxlit | The only problem is that if you don't pick it up in 30 days... |
| 22:44.04 | Lopeppeppy | all the other did. |
| 22:44.06 | Arrowmaster | does that include new characters? |
| 22:44.11 | Lopeppeppy | should, for 30 days |
| 22:44.12 | foxlit | kd3: collectors pets aren't consumable. |
| 22:44.25 | foxlit | [Or at least not the collectors pets I have.] |
| 22:44.25 | Arrowmaster | yeah CE pets are BoA |
| 22:44.46 | Arrowmaster | so is my big blizzard bear and the baby bear from last year |
| 22:44.48 | foxlit | But then again, you didn't say that, so nevermind me. |
| 22:45.05 | foxlit | proceed to whine on forums --> they'll patch it eventually |
| 22:47.49 | Lopeppeppy | baby bear! |
| 22:49.07 | Arrowmaster | fuck yeah grunty shot something! |
| 22:49.14 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet. |
| 22:49.32 | Arrowmaster | hes got a nade launcher too |
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| 22:49.41 | Lopeppeppy | rawr. hot |
| 22:49.58 | Arrowmaster | it and the machine gun are loud |
| 22:51.52 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 22:51.55 | Thunder_Child | dont say hot Lopeppeppy |
| 22:51.56 | Lopeppeppy | you expect a quiet marine? |
| 22:52.01 | Lopeppeppy | Didn't. |
| 22:52.09 | Thunder_Child | " +Lopeppeppy: rawr. hot" |
| 22:52.16 | Lopeppeppy | only said it once |
| 22:52.30 | Lopeppeppy | uniforms are better than flowers. |
| 22:52.50 | mikma | wobwork: cleric is level 3! funtimes |
| 22:52.52 | Thunder_Child | it's 95F here, even hearing the word is painfull |
| 22:53.30 | Lopeppeppy | It went back down to 70 here. |
| 22:53.42 | Thunder_Child | *whimper* |
| 22:53.56 | Lopeppeppy | I wish I could share. |
| 22:54.21 | mikma | thunder_child: HOT |
| 22:54.34 | Thunder_Child | ~cheeseslap mikma |
| 22:54.35 | purl | ACTION slaps mikma around with a slice of cheddar |
| 22:54.48 | Lopeppeppy | ... I don't think i've seen that before |
| 22:54.48 | mikma | mm, cheese |
| 22:55.10 | Thunder_Child | ~cheesecrit Lopeppeppy |
| 22:55.14 | Thunder_Child | meh |
| 22:55.21 | Lopeppeppy | ~whaleparry Thunder_Child |
| 22:55.22 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry Thunder_Child's attacks. |
| 22:55.23 | Thunder_Child | there is a line of cheese things |
| 22:55.37 | Thunder_Child | ~cheesehit Lopeppeppy |
| 22:55.42 | Thunder_Child | bah |
| 22:55.56 | Thunder_Child | ~whalecrit Lopeppeppy |
| 22:55.57 | purl | ACTION crits Lopeppeppy with a mathematically skilled whale named Isaac for #NaN. Lopeppeppy dies |
| 22:56.14 | Shirik | Hey english pros |
| 22:56.21 | Lopeppeppy | I would be fine with athat, TC, I'm tired. |
| 22:56.25 | Lopeppeppy | What needs you, Shirik? |
| 22:56.25 | mikma | eat a duck, shirik |
| 22:56.32 | Shirik | I need a word for "the state something is in when someone has said there is a bug and you are currently figuring out who to assign the fix to" |
| 22:56.39 | Lopeppeppy | m r dux. c d e d b d feet |
| 22:56.46 | mikma | shirik: asscloud |
| 22:56.49 | Lopeppeppy | pending assigment |
| 22:57.02 | Shirik | Well that assumes that it's proven broken |
| 22:57.07 | Shirik | which it hasn't been |
| 22:57.09 | Thunder_Child | no it doesnt |
| 22:57.11 | Lopeppeppy | under investigation |
| 22:57.11 | Shirik | sorry I should be clear |
| 22:57.15 | Lopeppeppy | yes plx |
| 22:57.16 | Thunder_Child | it doesnt assume anything |
| 22:57.26 | NightHawkTheSane | "unassigned" |
| 22:57.27 | NightHawkTheSane | ? |
| 22:57.45 | Shirik | thanks Lopeppeppy |
| 22:57.46 | Shirik | that's good |
| 22:57.56 | Lopeppeppy | is two words, is that okay? |
| 22:58.04 | Thunder_Child | no, he asked for one!!!! |
| 22:58.25 | Lopeppeppy | bite me, pop tart boy |
| 22:58.40 | Thunder_Child | blinks at Lopeppeppy |
| 22:58.44 | Thunder_Child | ok, that went over my head |
| 22:58.53 | Lopeppeppy | caution... filling is..... HOT!!! |
| 22:59.03 | Lopeppeppy | I admit, this is my brain on pain meds, but it makes sense to me. |
| 22:59.18 | Thunder_Child | i suppose that works |
| 22:59.27 | Lopeppeppy | In other news, I cannot open my bottle of soda and am considering attacking it with a box knife |
| 22:59.36 | Thunder_Child | of course you just called my filling hot |
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| 22:59.57 | Lopeppeppy | Didn't say that pop tarts tasted good, or were something I ate, or even allowed others to eat at their peril |
| 23:00.23 | Cruciformer | waves at the channel |
| 23:01.10 | Lopeppeppy | hi hi |
| 23:01.20 | Cruciformer | god Im impressed with windows 7 |
| 23:01.22 | Lopeppeppy | sudo someone come make me something to eat? |
| 23:01.41 | NightHawkTheSane | [sudo] password for Lopeppeppy: |
| 23:01.47 | Lopeppeppy | pretty please |
| 23:01.47 | Thunder_Child | cat |
| 23:01.51 | Lunessa | I wants a pop tart now. No frosting bitches. Just some butter. |
| 23:01.52 | Lopeppeppy | cat also works |
| 23:01.57 | Lopeppeppy | ... butter? |
| 23:02.09 | Lopeppeppy | What the hell flavor of poptrart gets butter? |
| 23:02.28 | Thunder_Child | i dunno Lunessa, have you ever had a frosting bitch? |
| 23:02.34 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 23:02.45 | NightHawkTheSane | sounds frigid. |
| 23:02.58 | Lunessa | don't make me come over there and frost you. |
| 23:03.02 | Lopeppeppy | ... okay, that inerpretation works too. |
| 23:03.12 | Thunder_Child | i would L O V E getting frosted right now |
| 23:03.25 | Lopeppeppy | I have this giant bruise on my hand. This is why I'm not supposed to take ibuprofen, peoples. |
| 23:03.59 | NightHawkTheSane | because you'll bruise your hand? |
| 23:04.15 | Lunessa | And get all loopy. |
| 23:04.21 | Lopeppeppy | thins my blood very quikly, which shows up most visibly in how much i bruise. |
| 23:04.30 | Lopeppeppy | loopy is from the other stuff, lunessa. |
| 23:04.59 | Lunessa | Mmmm... other stuff. |
| 23:05.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I have stuff that'll put you to sleep in about 30 minutes, if that'd help! |
| 23:05.37 | Lopeppeppy | bring it, ScytheBlade1. |
| 23:05.53 | Lopeppeppy | This makes me dizzy so I go to sleep, but also brings some hideous frelled up nightmares. |
| 23:06.06 | Lopeppeppy | I brought all of my knives to bed with me, it was great. |
| 23:06.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 23:06.24 | Lopeppeppy | nightmares of people breaking in. |
| 23:06.40 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, i guess i could see butter with brown sugar cinnamon poptarts |
| 23:06.51 | Thunder_Child | but it's still kinda meh |
| 23:07.33 | ScytheBlade1 | it's on digg, but it is still amazing: http://www.viddler.com/explore/failblog/videos/282/ |
| 23:07.33 | Lopeppeppy | lunessa is made of odd, but i lurvs him anyway |
| 23:07.41 | Thunder_Child | they also have blueberry muffin |
| 23:07.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: you need less crazy dreams, I have to say |
| 23:08.04 | Lunessa | If I were any less odd, I'd be damned boring. |
| 23:08.58 | Lopeppeppy | i'd love to oblige, ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:09.22 | Lopeppeppy | dokken advertising for Norton AV? |
| 23:09.48 | Lunessa | Yes... And it's AWESOME |
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| 23:12.35 | Lunessa | The Kimbo Slice version are pretty funny too. |
| 23:13.08 | Lopeppeppy | it's a chicken |
| 23:13.37 | Lopeppeppy | ... maybe I'll understand when I'm older |
| 23:13.42 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRnPbSKUMEs |
| 23:14.54 | foxlit | Okay, so their advertising is silly yet not too obnoxious. |
| 23:15.02 | foxlit | Does their product still eat your caterpillar? |
| 23:15.12 | Lopeppeppy | eats a leaf |
| 23:15.56 | Lunessa | I'd never install their product, but I love the ad. |
| 23:16.09 | Cairenn | huggles Lunessa |
| 23:16.40 | Lunessa | huggles Cairenn and whispers inappropriate suggestions into her ear. |
| 23:16.46 | Cairenn | purrs |
| 23:16.59 | Lopeppeppy | awwww :) |
| 23:20.56 | Lunessa | Ok - windows 7 gadgets are way cooler than Vista's sidebar |
| 23:24.25 | tem | I didn't know they were different |
| 23:26.22 | NightHawkTheSane | cooler, but still mostly useless |
| 23:29.21 | smcn | the question is, can you disable the windows key in w7 without disabling the shortcuts like win+e? i was heartbroken when i installed vista and wkeykill doesn't work on it :( |
| 23:29.34 | smcn | apropos of nothing |
| 23:30.59 | mikma | wobwork: http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=195398&page=1&pp=10 |
| 23:31.27 | WobWork | ugh |
| 23:31.32 | WobWork | github commenting fail =( |
| 23:32.06 | WobWork | mikma: got one for monk? |
| 23:32.11 | WobWork | or do you want me to roll a cleric? |
| 23:34.02 | WobWork | although the idea of Gregory House as a cleric fills me with an unnamed joy =P |
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| 23:34.47 | mikma | wobwork: dont know about the monk one. and i want you to play with me with your monk! |
| 23:35.06 | mikma | wobwork: my cleric is pimped with +heal =D |
| 23:35.32 | WobWork | healbot? |
| 23:36.26 | mikma | trying to |
| 23:36.49 | mikma | i dont know am i failing with the cleric stuff yet, but we'll see |
| 23:37.46 | WobWork | hm, commenting on github fails silently if you're not logged in =( |
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| 23:45.38 | Arrowmaster | heh i logged on my pally alt as im getting grunty, was checking stats and i have 12.19% ranged crit chance (+12.38% from crit rating) |
| 23:45.52 | Arrowmaster | pallys have negative base ranged crit |
| 23:55.18 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 23:56.31 | Bruners | hmm, is the new onyxia head tanking trinkets hp5 working? |
| 23:56.43 | Bruners | don't seem to get anything in my combat log about it |
| 23:58.18 | WobWork | does hp5 get reported? |
| 23:58.24 | WobWork | never usually did |
| 23:59.20 | Bruners | no idea :P |
