| 00:00.12 | msoul | the numbers changes when i move |
| 00:00.12 | Lopeppeppy | Coordinates or Location. |
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| 00:00.26 | msoul | possible to disable it |
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| 00:01.02 | msoul | got it |
| 00:01.03 | msoul | thanks |
| 00:01.14 | DWSR | Anyone use Prat and having troubles with it? |
| 00:01.21 | DWSR | Or more accurately, a LibChatHandler mod? |
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| 00:06.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: and the final number I can come up with, is 10460.71 DPS for a mage |
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| 00:15.18 | Dagmar | Time to call in a priest for extreme unction |
| 00:15.29 | Dagmar | Someone's going to need to put the servers out of their misery |
| 00:15.37 | jpmorgan | holy water |
| 00:21.59 | A-KO | Is it just me or is it retarded when a guild hands out obvious healer loot to DPS casters when DPS casters have items that have +hit on them in the game? |
| 00:22.15 | Adys | [02:27:09] <mikma> adys: shoot the person behind mmoc talent calculator. its still horrible with portable devices |
| 00:22.16 | Adys | HAHAHA |
| 00:22.21 | Adys | suck it up Bibi- |
| 00:26.05 | Dagmar | Just because it has +hit doesn't make it DPS loot |
| 00:26.12 | Dagmar | It just makes it a useless stat for healing |
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| 00:26.26 | Lopeppeppy | For now. *weg* |
| 00:26.34 | End | hit gear has too much hit on it to gear completely with +hit gear |
| 00:26.52 | End | now, if you're talking about casters taking sp5 gear, that's an obvious problem |
| 00:26.52 | Kraps | oh patch day |
| 00:27.01 | End | but if it has neither mp5 or hit on it, as far as I'm concerned it's fair game |
| 00:27.02 | Dagmar | I want -lag loot |
| 00:27.47 | Dagmar | You know, you could probably run right into the opposing faction's cities and get all the way to the fishing spots before the lag catches up |
| 00:30.50 | Kraps | no fury buffs :( |
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| 00:37.21 | ScytheBlade1 | lua>10460-6754 |
| 00:37.21 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 3706 |
| 00:40.15 | NeoTron | A-KO: an item without +hit isn't necessarily a healing item. +hit has a hard cap. |
| 00:45.10 | Amarande | A-KO: also, one has to consider the actual gear needs of the people in the group |
| 00:45.49 | Amarande | For instance, I picked up http://www.wowhead.com/?item=37622 on my warlock during my first H-OK run, because the healer was a druid who didn't want cloth, and the other party members weren't casters that I recall |
| 00:46.58 | Amarande | Say, any idea how I ended up with a whole buttload of "Unknown" on some of my characters friends lists? |
| 00:48.02 | jpmorgan | maybe the servers need a swift kick. mine sure does |
| 00:48.16 | Lopeppeppy | All servers ar eunhappy just about now, or so I hear. |
| 00:48.36 | Lopeppeppy | Amarande, people may have transfered, or the servers could be borked post-patch. That happens. |
| 00:49.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Transfers remove people from friends (and ignore) lists |
| 00:49.44 | ScytheBlade1 | All bets are on "lolololol servers" |
| 00:50.28 | Dagmar | Servers are hosed |
| 00:51.12 | WobWork | oh man |
| 00:51.14 | WobWork | SO DUSTY |
| 00:52.16 | WobWork | this is my city now: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/sydney-turns-red-dust-storm-blankets-city-20090923-g0so.html |
| 00:53.03 | jpmorgan | nsfw (language) onyxia wipe (-50DKP!) in honor of ony's return and nothing else to do while servers grind : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtvIYRrgZ04 |
| 00:53.04 | WobWork | It's carried dust halfway across the country... |
| 00:54.03 | WobWork | and I will have "Life On Mars" stuck in my head ALL DAY =\ |
| 00:54.12 | WobWork | cause it's a godawful small affair |
| 00:55.13 | Amarande | wait, when you end up unlucky enough to be in a raid that wipes, you lose loot points? :| |
| 00:55.19 | Amarande | what fail guild is this? |
| 00:55.29 | Amarande | (hint: wiping is supposed to be PART OF THE RAID LEARNING PROCESS :P) |
| 00:55.34 | jpmorgan | never seen this? it ALWAYS makes me laugh |
| 00:55.52 | Amarande | crap, I missed the BB to Ratchet boat by like FIVE SECONDS |
| 00:57.43 | jpmorgan | its famous. they even made achievments based on this guys ranting. "more dots" for ex |
| 00:57.53 | Lopeppeppy | Stop all dots!!! |
| 00:57.58 | Lopeppeppy | Many whelps, handle it!!! |
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| 00:58.05 | jpmorgan | Handle It! |
| 00:58.08 | jpmorgan | lolol |
| 00:59.01 | Lopeppeppy | I love that video, it's priceless. And yet, very accurate view of the Ony fight. |
| 01:00.50 | Amarande | o.0, whelps |
| 01:00.53 | Amarande | we know who that's a job for |
| 01:00.56 | Amarande | LEEEEEEEROY JENKINS! |
| 01:01.21 | jpmorgan | always wondered where this guy was from |
| 01:07.26 | jpmorgan | pretty sure this is same guy.. also NSFW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPt1bckqJmU&feature=related |
| 01:13.16 | haste | ~wowalert |
| 01:13.17 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 01:19.41 | Dagmar | As per usual, morons in epic gear come out of hte woodwork to stand on the Brewfest stage so no one can see what's going on |
| 01:19.49 | Dagmar | Raiding retards are a blight on this game |
| 01:21.34 | Adys | jpmorgan: yes its the same guy |
| 01:21.39 | Adys | very old stuff |
| 01:23.13 | bleeter | heh blizz are banning folks for the direbrew exploit |
| 01:23.21 | Adys | which one? |
| 01:23.25 | Adys | theres like 10 by now |
| 01:23.40 | jpmorgan | oh, like what are people doing? |
| 01:23.54 | bleeter | Adys: probably any of the ones they can catch |
| 01:23.55 | Adys | daily reset counters can be fucked with |
| 01:24.17 | Adys | bleeter: which one were you thinking about? |
| 01:25.26 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20122252206&sid=1 references the daily limit, zoning out etc. |
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| 01:29.21 | Shirik | kd3 |
| 01:29.27 | kd3 | hm? |
| 01:29.33 | Shirik | doesn't WoWWiki show the current chinese server version somewhere? |
| 01:29.54 | kd3 | they're on 3.0.5 afaik |
| 01:32.28 | kd3 | actually, no. they're on 3.1.3 |
| 01:32.28 | Shirik | there's no page for it? |
| 01:32.55 | kd3 | nope |
| 01:33.35 | Shirik | well there should be! |
| 01:34.20 | ScytheBlade1 | good thing it is a wiki and you can do it yourself, Shirik |
| 01:34.23 | kd3 | ^ |
| 01:34.26 | Shirik | nah |
| 01:34.31 | Shirik | wowwiki hates me im |
| 01:34.32 | Shirik | imo |
| 01:34.36 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Patches&diff=2053430&oldid=2052946 |
| 01:35.31 | Shirik | how did you find out when you said "actually, no. they're on 3.1.3" |
| 01:35.42 | kd3 | http://www.warcraftchina.com/download/client/ |
| 01:37.37 | Shirik | there |
| 01:37.39 | Shirik | I made a change |
| 01:37.41 | Shirik | first in about a year |
| 01:38.04 | kd3 | yay |
| 01:40.15 | kd3 | apparently with the switch in providers they're moving everyone over to b.net accounts over there |
| 01:40.16 | kd3 | hrm |
| 01:40.34 | A-KO | this server shit is fail |
| 01:41.05 | Shirik | 21:37, September 22, 2009 (hist) (diff) Patches ? (Add build number of 3.2.2) (top) |
| 01:41.05 | Shirik | 17:17, August 31, 2008 (hist) (diff) Lua functions ? (Sounding technical is not an excuse to post incorrect information) |
| 01:41.07 | Shirik | over a year |
| 01:44.01 | A-KO | how the hell do these problems make it to live |
| 01:44.02 | A-KO | seriously |
| 01:45.55 | kd3 | it's patch day. you should expect this every single time they patch |
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| 01:46.04 | kd3 | every. single. time. |
| 01:46.18 | A-KO | it's not that I don't expect it |
| 01:46.20 | A-KO | I don't understand why |
| 01:46.26 | A-KO | with as much testing as they get in on patches |
| 01:46.35 | kd3 | murphy's law. |
| 01:46.43 | kd3 | testing in a sandbox doesn't necessarily translate to live hardware |
| 01:47.00 | A-KO | I'm sure their PTR is the same thing as the live |
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| 01:47.12 | A-KO | short of the patching differences |
| 01:52.45 | Shirik | A-KO, do you have any idea how hard it is to catch everything? |
| 01:52.58 | Shirik | here's an example |
| 01:53.07 | Shirik | there's this really new technology they're starting to put into planes now |
| 01:53.10 | Shirik | it's really cool |
| 01:53.16 | Shirik | it's called "ethernet" |
| 01:53.30 | Shirik | Why did it take this long? Because it had to be proven |
| 01:54.16 | MentalPower|AFK | and even then, its not standard ethernet either, its very close, tho |
| 01:54.28 | Shirik | blizzard's servers are not safety critical |
| 01:54.54 | Shirik | accordingly, they do less testing (justifiably), and it's likely there will be one or two kinks to be ironed out |
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| 01:57.08 | MentalPower|AFK | agreed, and for a wow-related example, consider getall (the ability to download the entire AH's contents at once instead of 50 items at a time) |
| 01:58.50 | MentalPower|AFK | when it was first announced, both Blizzard and the auctioneer team threw the kitchen sink at it trying to break it. Even going so far as making the PTR's AH insanely large. but when it was pushed live, it broke, because of something no one had thought about, the number of individual accounts posting items |
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| 02:00.02 | MentalPower|AFK | each player required a server request for that player's info, and this required network bandwidth, which disconnected the user for flooding the server with too many name requests |
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| 02:00.22 | MentalPower|AFK | there are just some things you cannot emulate in a sandbox |
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| 02:10.04 | Adys | someone remind me |
| 02:10.30 | Adys | whats the js equivalent of `foo = bar or baz' ? |
| 02:15.34 | Arrowmaster | Adys: || |
| 02:15.54 | Arrowmaster | i remembered it was listed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short-circuit_evaluation |
| 02:16.22 | Adys | ah yea |
| 02:17.02 | Arrowmaster | that 4th column is an easy reference for which languages you want to stay away from |
| 02:17.36 | Arrowmaster | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 02:17.57 | Adys | andalso, orelse |
| 02:18.00 | Adys | the 3rd column too |
| 02:18.43 | Arrowmaster | if the 4th column doesnt say last value you can just ignore the language, it will never amount to anything |
| 02:18.52 | Arrowmaster | right Shirik |
| 02:20.12 | Adys | Some programming languages, such as Java, have two operators, one that employs minimal evaluation and one that does not, to avoid this problem. |
| 02:20.15 | Adys | & |
| 02:20.15 | Adys | && |
| 02:20.17 | Adys | &&& |
| 02:20.22 | Adys | &&&&& <- maximum evaluation |
| 02:22.29 | Arrowmaster | actually java just has & (not short circuit) and && (short circuit) |
| 02:23.05 | Adys | PHP probably has "very fucking long circuit" |
| 02:24.31 | Arrowmaster | what happened to Shirik? here i am talking bad about C++ and he isnt fighting back |
| 02:25.18 | Amarande | so, has anyone gotten the Swift Horde Wolf yet, at all? :) |
| 02:27.51 | Amarande | is working on a mounts checklist I can print out for future reference ... |
| 02:28.01 | Amarande | not that I stand a ghost of a chance of GETTING the Swift Horde Wolf anyway LOL |
| 02:29.40 | Amarande | apparently, the requirements for that are "complete TOGC-10, without wiping once" |
| 02:29.40 | Amarande | oh, on heroic. |
| 02:29.40 | Amarande | of course it's on heroic ... heh |
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| 02:54.23 | bleeter | lol that sploit thread's still giving |
| 02:54.51 | Shirik | ? |
| 02:55.01 | Shirik | Arrowmaster ? |
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| 02:56.35 | Shirik | bleeter: What thread? |
| 02:58.37 | A-KO | fucking ony bag is a rip |
| 02:58.39 | A-KO | should be a 24 slot bag |
| 02:58.40 | A-KO | not 22 |
| 02:58.41 | A-KO | wtf |
| 03:00.12 | Amarande | A-KO, I'm starting to wonder if we'll ever see 24 slot regular bags |
| 03:00.21 | Amarande | the achievement system makes me wonder, mainly |
| 03:00.31 | Amarande | specifically, if Haris Pilton's bag has a big influence on it |
| 03:00.53 | A-KO | I just don't understand |
| 03:00.56 | Amarande | remember, achievements are supposed to actually reward knowing what you're doing. if there's 24 slot regular bags, then that one becomes "you idiot, you wasted 1200g on a bag that isn't even the biggest anymore" LOL |
| 03:01.48 | Amarande | actually, I like the fact that Haris Pilton's bag puts the brakes on the cost of maxing out bag space on characters, though |
| 03:02.06 | Amarande | because it puts a fixed ceiling on how much tailors can get away with selling the Glacial Bag for |
| 03:02.06 | bleeter | Shirik: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=20122252206&sid=1 locked now :( |
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| 03:22.06 | Arrowmaster | ok thats fucking sweet |
| 03:22.14 | Arrowmaster | dvd riper using 500% cpu =D |
| 03:33.50 | bleeter | oh man they broken FIsherman's Friend?! |
| 03:34.32 | bleeter | [Ammo]: got a fix yet for fisherman's friend? ;) |
| 03:38.54 | durcyn | bleeter: what's it (not) doing? |
| 03:44.03 | bleeter | durcyn: FishermansFriend-r94-release\FishermansFriend.lua:409: Couldn't find CVar named 'MapWaterSounds' << then bombing |
| 03:44.08 | bleeter | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info8665-FishermansFriend.html#comments |
| 03:44.22 | durcyn | fucking blizzard changing cvar names |
| 03:44.35 | ccox | great - server lag is makign the ram run daily bloody difficult |
| 03:44.43 | ccox | keeps dropping or delaying events |
| 03:44.48 | Amarande | hmm. |
| 03:44.48 | bleeter | ccox: EXTEND BREWFEST! |
| 03:44.58 | Amarande | anyone remember if the AQ chain is still doable now or if steps required Ony? |
| 03:44.58 | bleeter | durcyn: yeah, would be my guess |
| 03:45.07 | ccox | they need to do something to make up for the mess |
| 03:45.13 | Amarande | (other than that you run the risk of death from Shadowflame without her cloak now) |
| 03:45.26 | ccox | we're all going to be short on tokens (that should have been easy to get) |
| 03:45.40 | bleeter | ccox: well given there's no 'hard' end to brewfest, cept in Calendar, wouldn't be surpsied if they take it up to the tuesday maint |
| 03:46.05 | bleeter | not as if extending would hurt anything |
| 03:46.09 | ccox | brewfest is scheduled to end Oct 3 |
| 03:46.21 | bleeter | yeah, end of Oktoberfest |
| 03:46.30 | Amarande | Bah. Exodar the North, West, or South boat from Auberdine? |
| 03:46.31 | bleeter | so the tuesday after wouldn't hurt, would it? ;) |
| 03:46.31 | ccox | yeah, they could extend it a few days, to allow folks to run quests with the fixes |
| 03:46.47 | Amarande | almost never plays Alliance ... |
| 03:46.52 | bleeter | Amarande: north |
| 03:46.58 | bleeter | oh hang on |
| 03:46.59 | durcyn | hm, looks like that one was actually removed |
| 03:47.01 | bleeter | no |
| 03:47.03 | bleeter | would be west |
| 03:47.18 | bleeter | ask the wharfmaster srsly |
| 03:47.29 | Amarande | oh, right, just occurred to me |
| 03:47.33 | bleeter | durcyn: GROUNDBREAKING! ;) |
| 03:47.40 | bleeter | er |
| 03:47.43 | bleeter | s/GROUND/GAME/ |
| 03:47.49 | Amarande | c'mon, when's the last time we actually talked to NPCs who weren't quest NPCs, quest related NPCs, trainers, or vendors? :) |
| 03:48.04 | bleeter | flight master |
| 03:48.13 | Amarande | ok, yeah, those too |
| 03:48.18 | Amarande | but those could be said to be a form of vendor |
| 03:48.28 | Amarande | I mean, when's the last time we talked to NPCs that just said something and didn't directly impact anything? :) |
| 03:48.32 | bleeter | taxi vendor? |
| 03:48.57 | bleeter | if FM's are taxi vendors, wharf masters are boat trainers |
| 03:49.44 | jpmorgan | servers still f'd? |
| 03:49.50 | bleeter | jpmorgan: kinda |
| 03:50.33 | jpmorgan | pfft cant even get my mail. |
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| 03:51.47 | jpmorgan | another HUGE win for blizzard qa |
| 03:52.09 | bleeter | this started before the patch |
| 03:52.27 | bleeter | final hour of last night was impossible.. i suspect it's network admin not the patch |
| 03:53.20 | jpmorgan | the db servers are failed over to the dsl backup link lol |
| 03:55.20 | Amarande | actually, they seem to be fixing something |
| 03:55.30 | Amarande | Delissa's friends list no longer shows fifteen Unknowns |
| 03:56.08 | Amarande | hmm, meanwhile random thoughts |
| 03:56.17 | Amarande | does anyone ever actually manage to score the 200 points in the silithus pvp thingy? |
| 03:56.32 | Arrowmaster | probably not not |
| 03:56.36 | Arrowmaster | not now |
| 03:56.51 | Amarande | sometimes I start to get the thought you could probably solo it and never encounter any opposition |
| 03:56.57 | Arrowmaster | you could |
| 03:57.01 | Amarande | I forget what you get for it though :) |
| 03:57.06 | Arrowmaster | a zone buff |
| 03:57.09 | Arrowmaster | some honor |
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| 04:06.27 | jpmorgan | lol Drunken Master - You are a deadly whirlwind of brew. |
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| 04:53.39 | Amarande | damn, no more AQ40 chain :( |
| 04:53.48 | Amarande | you won't be able to get Chapter VI of Draconic for Dummies anymore |
| 04:54.35 | Amarande | ah, maybe you can |
| 04:54.39 | Amarande | wowhead says they left it in, woot :) |
| 04:55.07 | Amarande | at least it doesn't matter one way or another for the cooking recipe, though |
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| 05:08.45 | batrick | http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/09/22/us.security.bulletins/index.html |
| 05:08.51 | batrick | Boy am I glad that we added that department after 9/11. |
| 05:13.02 | Dagmar | Are the servers still in disarray? |
| 05:15.47 | jpmorgan | mine is much better |
| 05:15.52 | bleeter | comes n goes |
| 05:16.12 | bleeter | rule of thumb, though... patch day = servers bad for 24 hours |
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| 05:17.16 | Dagmar | Yes but generally it's just the "everyone's logged in" lag |
| 05:17.40 | Dagmar | The lag I was seeing earlier acted more like some bit of database queueing was spewing errors like mad into a log somewhere |
| 05:18.05 | Amarande | Turalyon seems ok, other than horrid horrid lag |
| 05:18.16 | Dagmar | You don't normally buy a couple of mounts, run off and 30 seconds later they appear in your bags |
| 05:18.30 | Dagmar | Mail is filled with dried molasses |
| 05:18.32 | Amarande | and I should have an achievement now for "thrashin thrashin hard drive" |
| 05:18.48 | Amarande | Dagmar: ugh, tell me about it, I was in Refuge Pointe earlier buying a limited supply recipe for smuggling cross-faction |
| 05:19.00 | Amarande | and I right clicked it, it grayed out, and took about 30 seconds to appear in my bag |
| 05:19.01 | Dagmar | Yeah I'd say it's almost like the db's decided to not cache anything anymore |
| 05:19.15 | Dagmar | ...but that wouldn't be so irregular |
| 05:19.37 | Dagmar | Man the dark iron dwarves came through earlier and I managed to throw _one_ beer before all the kegs were gone |
| 05:19.56 | jpmorgan | i made it a macro which spams nicely |
| 05:20.08 | Dagmar | I just have a bank of "beer hotkeys" |
| 05:20.19 | Dagmar | My interface changes quite a bit for Brewfest. :) |
| 05:21.03 | Dagmar | ..and typically you don't see the kind of lag that lets you run 100 yards and NPCs stop spawning |
| 05:21.22 | Dagmar | I ran through belftown |
| 05:21.31 | Dagmar | Waved at people |
| 05:21.59 | ZorbaTHut | dammit should not have updated WoW on my laptop |
| 05:22.02 | Dagmar | Like a level 12 character's going to take a shot at me or something, but if they saw me they had to have been wondering about the guards |
| 05:28.27 | bleeter | gah how did I end up in a guild of anti-semites??!! |
| 05:28.35 | Shirik | well |
| 05:28.39 | Shirik | Ony was incredibly anticlimactic |
| 05:28.48 | bleeter | Shirik: so I hear ;) |
| 05:28.57 | bleeter | what's the reset? someone said 6 hours |
| 05:29.09 | Shirik | that's a bug |
| 05:29.15 | Shirik | probably will be hotfixedish |
| 05:29.44 | Shirik | I show 5h30 to next reset |
| 05:30.05 | bleeter | yeah seem super fast |
| 05:30.14 | Shirik | anyway |
| 05:30.15 | bleeter | maybe they wanted it tried lots first |
| 05:30.18 | Shirik | We went from heroic toc 25 |
| 05:30.20 | Shirik | to ony |
| 05:30.27 | bleeter | or that was the PTR timer and forgot to fix it |
| 05:30.28 | Shirik | and then we were like "wtf was that" |
| 05:30.36 | bleeter | hehe |
| 05:31.19 | batrick | isn't it past your bedtime shirik |
| 05:32.24 | Shirik | wtf no |
| 05:32.28 | Shirik | I've been up until 5 like the last 3 days |
| 05:34.05 | batrick | you finish writing up that report shirik? |
| 05:34.11 | batrick | you never sent it to me! |
| 05:34.22 | Shirik | not yet batrick |
| 05:34.26 | Shirik | it needs a little more time |
| 05:34.32 | batrick | patch is today tho? |
| 05:34.39 | Shirik | not everywhere |
| 05:34.52 | batrick | you are far too nice to blizz |
| 05:34.55 | batrick | but whatever :) |
| 05:34.56 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:35.30 | Shirik | hey batrick |
| 05:35.33 | Shirik | windows server is fun |
| 05:35.41 | batrick | ya whatever |
| 05:35.45 | Shirik | get me a key plox |
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| 05:36.01 | batrick | i BSOD'd my cousin's computer the other day to teach him a lesson. |
| 05:36.18 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:36.20 | batrick | (remotely) |
| 05:36.29 | batrick | he gave me a look like i took his cookies |
| 05:36.29 | Shirik | it's ok, my windows server is not accessible remotely |
| 05:36.32 | batrick | poor kid :( |
| 05:36.33 | Shirik | you have to go through my linux server |
| 05:36.41 | batrick | well then wtf is the point |
| 05:36.46 | batrick | servers SERVE CLIENTS |
| 05:36.46 | Shirik | Two reasons |
| 05:36.51 | batrick | :P |
| 05:36.54 | Shirik | 1) I need to split load |
| 05:37.00 | Shirik | 2) Because I need a Windows build machine |
| 05:37.07 | Shirik | to compile and test windows code |
| 05:37.24 | batrick | mk |
| 05:37.35 | Dagmar | install cygwin. ;) |
| 05:37.42 | Shirik | it's a pretty epic setup |
| 05:37.56 | Shirik | how is cygwin going to help me compile windows code? |
| 05:38.02 | batrick | i'm scared for future network admins shirik |
| 05:38.08 | Shirik | why? |
| 05:38.08 | batrick | they think window's server rocks |
| 05:38.14 | Shirik | o |
| 05:38.18 | Shirik | it's not bad tbh |
| 05:38.25 | Shirik | I do think Linux is better as a server |
| 05:38.31 | Shirik | but it's notbad |
| 05:38.33 | batrick | well I have a laundry list of reasons but that is near the top |
| 05:38.44 | Shirik | Now |
| 05:38.50 | Shirik | My IT is running SVN 1.1 |
| 05:38.53 | Shirik | THAT is a reason to be scared |
| 05:39.00 | batrick | yes i suppose it is |
| 05:39.11 | Shadowed | hack it and upgrade them to 1.6 |
| 05:39.22 | Shadowed | they probably are using the original version of linux too |
| 05:39.43 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:39.48 | Shirik | I would be surprised if it's running linux |
| 05:39.51 | batrick | my cousin wants to be a network admin and was using a windows wizard tool to add me to his LAN with WPA2 encryption |
| 05:40.11 | Shirik | pretty much everything on Windows Server is a wizard |
| 05:40.15 | batrick | he had no idea there was a web server on his router that did the same thing except for the technically inclined |
| 05:40.15 | Shirik | at least in my experience |
| 05:40.24 | batrick | ya but the wizard was incomplete |
| 05:40.30 | batrick | it only did barebones stuff |
| 05:40.31 | Shirik | as are most :) |
| 05:40.49 | batrick | how can you profess to wanting to be a network admin when you have no idea your router can do that |
| 05:40.58 | batrick | much less only "heard" of Nmap |
| 05:40.58 | batrick | I wanted to cry |
| 05:41.12 | Shirik | I think I could be a pro network admin with a little more experience |
| 05:41.25 | Shirik | network admins really need to understand not just how to manage a network |
| 05:41.30 | Shirik | but need to understand security vulnerabilities |
| 05:41.39 | batrick | I really have no interest in network administration and yet I know far more than my cousin |
| 05:41.40 | Shirik | I think most admins really just understand "there is a vulnerability" not what it is |
| 05:41.42 | batrick | it scares me |
| 05:42.12 | Dagmar | WEll, they need to undestand security models more than they do specific vulnerabilities |
| 05:42.24 | Dagmar | It makes it much easier to build the network with the security model in mind |
| 05:42.50 | batrick | He also didn't know linux was free |
| 05:43.03 | batrick | I bet some windows propaganda confused him on that. |
| 05:43.37 | Dagmar | Well, nowadays, you're probably buying a vmware licence anyway |
| 05:43.42 | batrick | He also thought he was safe because windows rolls out updates every Tuesday... LOL |
| 05:44.00 | Dagmar | They're supposed to be rolling them out once a month |
| 05:44.06 | Dagmar | It just so happens they can't keep that promise |
| 05:44.15 | Dagmar | repeatedly |
| 05:44.39 | Dagmar | If the people finding vulnerabilities kept things quiet like they like it, they'd be back to talking up their "one patch a month" thing |
| 05:44.41 | batrick | there was some article on slashdot that they finally patched some TCP vulnerability that has existed for 2 years |
| 05:45.06 | Dagmar | ...which they won't patch in XP. |
| 05:46.30 | Arrowmaster | hmm i guess 300mb is too small for 50 minutes of h264 at 720x480 |
| 05:46.39 | Dagmar | yes |
| 05:55.39 | jpmorgan | is ogg theora getting much use as a video format? |
| 05:55.52 | Arrowmaster | not really |
| 05:56.08 | jpmorgan | oh well |
| 05:56.20 | Arrowmaster | its better than h264 for low quality streaming |
| 05:56.35 | Arrowmaster | but h264 is better at higher quality |
| 05:56.44 | Dagmar | Every time someone tries to use it, lawyers come around and scare them off of it |
| 05:56.54 | Dagmar | Weak. |
| 05:57.07 | Arrowmaster | lawyers fucked up the html5 spec |
| 05:57.11 | Dagmar | Freaking Apple even pulled a stunt like that recently |
| 05:57.20 | Arrowmaster | although it was already perty fucking fucked up before that |
| 05:57.33 | Dagmar | Talking about possible patent issues with ogg over qt, when they know that's a baseless claim |
| 05:58.43 | Arrowmaster | yeah the issue is that if anybody is hiding a patent that could cover something in theora and is waiting for a big infringement to cash in, they could be doing the same with a patent covering something in h264 |
| 05:58.56 | Arrowmaster | although about 50 companies already have patents on h264 |
| 05:59.29 | Dagmar | At least they're being mostly cool about it |
| 05:59.39 | jpmorgan | boy arent we lucky someone didnt patent email.. or packets even |
| 05:59.39 | Arrowmaster | ..... |
| 05:59.40 | Dagmar | If they break x264 I will be furious |
| 05:59.48 | jpmorgan | mpeg consortium will try |
| 05:59.48 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: you seriously dont know? |
| 06:00.19 | Dagmar | jpmorgan: With the way the patent system is being abused, you can count on someone having a patent on packets they've just not found a bunch of lawyers evil enough to try to cash in on it |
| 06:00.25 | Dagmar | Don't know what |
| 06:00.34 | Dagmar | I can get x264 and I can build it |
| 06:01.26 | jpmorgan | i guess my point is, would it serve anyones interest to shut down the interweb. or email. because its someone "intellectual property"? i think video over the net is just another similiar case |
| 06:01.37 | Dagmar | They don't shut things down |
| 06:01.41 | Dagmar | That's not what these people do. |
| 06:01.44 | Shadowed | You get huge sums of money |
| 06:01.48 | Shadowed | and cackle all the way to the ban |
| 06:01.52 | Dagmar | They look at the company's quarterlies and then say "We want half" |
| 06:02.29 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: http://www.mpegla.com/news/n_03-11-17_avc.html |
| 06:02.38 | Dagmar | Someone lobbed a suit against Blizzard this past month about multiple people sharing the same "digital environment" |
| 06:02.42 | jpmorgan | the infrstructure u currently enjoy might not exist if such risks overhung its creation? |
| 06:03.19 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: AVC is just a markedly faster implementation |
| 06:03.27 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 06:03.33 | Arrowmaster | h264 is avc |
| 06:04.31 | Dagmar | "There are no royalties on the first 100,000 units each year." |
| 06:04.36 | Dagmar | The thing was written decently. |
| 06:04.41 | Dagmar | x264 is not in any danger. |
| 06:05.24 | Dagmar | There's nothing stopping people from using the x264 library to decode at home. |
| 06:05.54 | Arrowmaster | did you not notice this |
| 06:05.54 | Arrowmaster | "Internet broadcast (non-subscription, not title-by-title) â Since this market is still developing, no royalties will be payable for internet broadcast services (non-subscription, not title-by-title) during the initial term of the license (which runs through December 31, 2010) and then shall not exceed the over-the-air free broadcast TV encoding fee during the renewal term." |
| 06:05.54 | Dagmar | nVidia is probably paying some money so that their cards can support accellerating decoding tho |
| 06:06.19 | Dagmar | Yes, they're basically levying fees against content providers |
| 06:06.29 | Arrowmaster | nvidia cards dont do any decoding, the software uses the cards to do the decoding |
| 06:06.50 | Dagmar | You might as well say CPUs dont' do any computing because the software uses the CPU to do the computing. |
| 06:07.06 | Dagmar | nVidia can afford it anyway |
| 06:07.11 | Arrowmaster | if nvidia was providing decoding software too then they would be paying for it |
| 06:07.20 | Dagmar | Uh... TrueVideo |
| 06:07.30 | jpmorgan | i wonder if its even possible to create a video codec that doesnt infringe on patents. i vaguely recall years back that china was putting resources into developing its own tech to avoid being beholden to foreign companies.. |
| 06:07.30 | Arrowmaster | does that do h264? |
| 06:07.41 | Dagmar | Like every card nVidia makes now has hardware accellerated decompression of several formats, including h.264 |
| 06:07.57 | Dagmar | Well, not every, but more of them handle video than do video games now |
| 06:08.03 | Dagmar | 8400 for instance |
| 06:08.30 | Dagmar | vdpau is important to MythTV because without it, you're not going to have a lot of fun trying to play back things that came out of say, your HD-PVR, since they're single-sliced h.264 |
| 06:08.32 | Arrowmaster | jpmorgan: its not, its impossible to create anything now that doesnt infringe on a patent, the only issue is that nobody will ever know until the patent holder brings the issue up because its impossible to do a complete check of the patent database |
| 06:08.42 | Dagmar | The CPU usage is *ugly* without VDPAU |
| 06:09.12 | Dagmar | 2.6Ghz core minimum |
| 06:09.20 | Dagmar | ...and multiple cores will not help you |
| 06:09.23 | Arrowmaster | yeah i use vdpau but i dont know the specifics of it |
| 06:09.38 | Arrowmaster | there are multiple core h264 decoders |
| 06:09.45 | jpmorgan | sounds about right .. or horribly wrong depending on your pov |
| 06:09.51 | Dagmar | You have to go to the AVCodec people and buy a licence for the windows codec if you want to leverage more than one core, and the media has to be a multi-sliced encode or it's pointless |
| 06:10.10 | Arrowmaster | theres a multithreaded version of ffdshow |
| 06:10.25 | ScytheBlade1 | There is a multicore capable version of mplayer for both linux and windows |
| 06:10.27 | Dagmar | Yep, and that code isn't in MythTV's decoder yet |
| 06:10.38 | ScytheBlade1 | That's because mythtv uses mplayer for most everything |
| 06:10.45 | Arrowmaster | mythtv doesnt run on windows does it? |
| 06:10.46 | Dagmar | No, but it can |
| 06:10.55 | Dagmar | er... about the mplayer |
| 06:11.00 | ScytheBlade1 | My mythbox plays 1080p x264 on an AMD 4400+ dual core, using mplayer |
| 06:11.03 | Arrowmaster | the multithreaded ffmpeg is older than the ffdshow |
| 06:11.03 | Dagmar | You can call external players, but life is easier if you don't |
| 06:11.29 | ScytheBlade1 | er, that's funny, because to play an mkv, I HAVE to call an external player |
| 06:11.29 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: To my knowledge, the libavcodec code that does that hasn't been synched into MythTV yet, but will be before 0.23 |
| 06:12.00 | Dagmar | I've yet to have to use an external player |
| 06:12.14 | Dagmar | ...but then I specificlaly built support for eveyrthing under the freaking sun into my myth box |
| 06:12.38 | Dagmar | I stopped at the dolbu stuff through ALSA tho because it made me want to cut |
| 06:12.44 | Dagmar | s/dolbu/dolby/; |
| 06:13.25 | Dolby | ! |
| 06:14.18 | Dagmar | The patents make a noise a bit like stepping on a cricket when you try that |
| 06:15.01 | Amarande | hmm, the one thing that's going to bug people about Ony now I suppose |
| 06:15.06 | Amarande | once I get that far in the AQ quest chain |
| 06:15.14 | Amarande | where am I going to find an Ony group that's willing to set the loot to FFA? |
| 06:15.17 | Dagmar | Being eaten before they see her due to lag? |
| 06:15.44 | Dagmar | You don't have guildies you can trust? |
| 06:15.50 | Amarande | apparently, in order to successfully do The Only Prescription, you not only must have an Ony raid, but you MUST have it set to FFA |
| 06:16.07 | Dagmar | If it weren't for the lag, we were planning on rounding up three or four more people we respect and taking a crack at her tonight |
| 06:16.10 | Amarande | because otherwise, if the designated looter is not the person who needs Chapter VI, then that chapter CAN NOT be looted AT ALL |
| 06:16.20 | Amarande | because the designated looter can't loot because to them there *is* no loot |
| 06:16.32 | Amarande | so they can't loot allowing the person who can loot the quest item to do so |
| 06:17.12 | Amarande | LOL, I'll be lucky myself if I can sneak into an Ony raid with my gear. |
| 06:17.20 | Amarande | And I'm the best geared DPS among my guild's 80s. |
| 06:17.24 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: thats not true |
| 06:17.24 | Dagmar | it's not supposed to be post-ulduar content |
| 06:17.34 | Dagmar | Have you not beaten the loot out of HToC yet? |
| 06:18.01 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: people are just stupid and setting the loot to ffa is a way of not having some idiot leave without breaking the body so you can loot it |
| 06:18.14 | Dagmar | Like, it seems to me there's a reason they made a version of that pinata you can whack over and over |
| 06:18.42 | Amarande | Arrow: they must have fixed that since 3.1.0 |
| 06:18.44 | Arrowmaster | and plus nobody even knows if she still drops the quest item so the quest may be impossible to finish |
| 06:18.48 | Amarande | because there's a wowhead anecdote from 3.0.9 |
| 06:18.55 | Amarande | when Ony was still lv60 |
| 06:19.10 | Amarande | where this guy and his buddy go killing Ony 2-man. he had the quest and his buddy didn't |
| 06:19.10 | Dagmar | ...and two-mannable |
| 06:19.20 | Amarande | his buddy was chosen to be the loot person for Ony |
| 06:19.31 | Amarande | and they were screwed that week, because his buddy couldn't loot |
| 06:19.39 | Amarande | they couldn't even skin her (due to the book trapped on her unlootable) |
| 06:19.40 | Arrowmaster | right and if his buddy never clicked the corpse he never got to see what his buddy left behind |
| 06:19.51 | Arrowmaster | this is how the game as always worked |
| 06:19.56 | Arrowmaster | people are just fucking idiots |
| 06:19.57 | Amarande | apparently, his buddy said he wasn't able to loot the mob |
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| 06:20.23 | Amarande | also: apparently it's been confirmed that Chapter VI still drops as of 3.2.2 |
| 06:20.29 | Amarande | "Confirmed. Chapter 6 still drops in revamped Ony. I just now looted from Ony 10. I assume it drops from 25 as well. It wasn't showing at first, then after I was master looted my helm, it appeared in the loot box and I grabbed it." |
| 06:20.55 | Dagmar | Run with people you trust and no one has to ML |
| 06:21.03 | Arrowmaster | yeah they probably looted all the stuff his buddy could see so there was nothing the buddy could see so he couldnt loot the corpse to trigger the page to be shown |
| 06:21.05 | Amarande | I'm told the scales are still skinnable, too |
| 06:21.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Holy crap, I just got the blue fishing pole, the hat, and the non-combat pet from the fishing daily |
| 06:21.20 | ScytheBlade1 | In a single bag |
| 06:21.24 | Dagmar | lol |
| 06:21.30 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: pet? what pet? |
| 06:21.30 | Amarande | Scythe: Not quite perfect. |
| 06:21.32 | Dagmar | I might go and do that now |
| 06:21.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Close enough, like wow |
| 06:21.41 | Amarande | Perfect would be if you got the turtle mount from a pool while doing this. :D |
| 06:21.51 | Dagmar | ...or if I can get a port to Theramore I might try to assassinate Pagel again |
| 06:21.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: Strand Crawler |
| 06:22.06 | Amarande | I might be lucky enough for it to happen. |
| 06:22.14 | Dagmar | Oi. What's up with the new quest NPC? |
| 06:22.18 | Amarande | After all, I did get the Deathcharger's Reins on my FIRST Rivendare kill. :) |
| 06:22.27 | Dagmar | Did they seriously just put this *one* storyline hint in and thta's it? |
| 06:23.15 | Amarande | one thing I *do* have to wonder though |
| 06:23.21 | Amarande | do we have to at least do the AQ chain before Cat? |
| 06:23.31 | Amarande | is wondering if MC will still be there, and if it will still have Ragnaros if it does |
| 06:23.34 | Arrowmaster | probably |
| 06:23.38 | Amarande | yeah, I guess so |
| 06:23.43 | Dagmar | One of the exiled night elves has finally gone to try to talk to the High Priestess in Darnassus, and his buddy is in Dalaran wanting you to take a journal to him to help |
| 06:23.46 | Amarande | after all, they've got bosses in 2 places already |
| 06:23.48 | Amarande | like Anub'arak |
| 06:23.50 | Arrowmaster | part of that chain requires killing a world boss in azshara |
| 06:23.52 | Amarande | (or was that the other Anub?) |
| 06:24.00 | Amarande | (Stupid Nerubians, you need to use more varied names.) |
| 06:24.01 | Arrowmaster | part of azshara doesnt exist in cat |
| 06:25.14 | Dagmar | They've kinda thrown this guy in our face by putting him in the portal room in Darnassus, and you'll see his buddy get told to talk to the hand by one of the sentinels if you stand there long enough |
| 06:25.21 | Dagmar | ...but that's apparently all that's new. |
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| 06:25.40 | Dagmar | It seems unusually small for a storyline chance |
| 06:25.42 | Dagmar | er change |
| 06:26.03 | Arrowmaster | i noticed the dalaran orphan mother was gone |
| 06:26.24 | Arrowmaster | i never actually did the quest from her, i probably should have |
| 06:26.24 | Dagmar | By now anyone who cared has probably done it so they can send her back to orphan week |
| 06:26.32 | Dagmar | It's weird |
| 06:26.41 | Arrowmaster | im at 74 mini pets |
| 06:26.44 | Amarande | Arrow: which quest was that? |
| 06:26.45 | Arrowmaster | i want my fucking gruntly |
| 06:26.49 | Dagmar | You take an oracle orphan around, then return him like the others, and then he apparently mails himself to you. |
| 06:26.54 | Amarande | the one where you have to talk to Azuregos? I *think* he was in Azshara if I haven't forgotten |
| 06:26.57 | Dagmar | Weird. |
| 06:27.18 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: the entire blue one has you goto azshara a lot |
| 06:27.43 | Amarande | I wouldn't be surprised if they leave Azuregos in, since he's non-hostile |
| 06:27.44 | Arrowmaster | you have to talk to azuregos at the start but it ends you you summoning a big fish in the water and killing it |
| 06:27.58 | Arrowmaster | azuregos is a world boss thats hostile |
| 06:28.16 | Amarande | actually, he's listed as yellow to both factions ... apparently you have to actively engage him to fight him |
| 06:28.18 | Arrowmaster | the spirit only exists because of this quest line |
| 06:28.23 | Dagmar | He is HUNGRY for people thinking they can solo him |
| 06:28.35 | Arrowmaster | people HAVE soloed him |
| 06:28.55 | Arrowmaster | and then hunters were nerfed |
| 06:28.58 | Arrowmaster | every quickly |
| 06:29.02 | Dagmar | I should have put some tartar sauce on my pet first |
| 06:29.05 | Arrowmaster | s/every/very/ |
| 06:30.30 | Thunder_Child | ~cackle |
| 06:30.38 | purl | ACTION cackles |
| 06:31.55 | Dagmar | I'm sure some people can solo him, but he's definitely not the sort of thing you see and say "Hmmm... wonder what he drops" while you're just wandering around looking at stuff |
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| 06:34.40 | [Ammo] | bleeter: I didn't know it was broken, but will fix once I find out the new cvar name |
| 06:37.59 | WobWork | Amarande: chapter 6? |
| 06:38.05 | WobWork | bleeter: omg so dusty =( |
| 06:41.17 | Amarande | Wob: of Draconic for Dummies |
| 06:41.31 | Amarande | sooner or later I'll need it |
| 06:41.42 | Amarande | although I imagine the most exasperating part will probably be getting the volume from SW, since I suck at PvP |
| 06:41.57 | Amarande | imagines the number of corpse runs that's going to need |
| 06:42.36 | Amarande | hmm, so apparently my next raid destinations are BWL and Sunwell |
| 06:43.22 | Amarande | Sunwell so I can get Smelt Hardened Khorium, being a completist as I am with my professions |
| 06:43.37 | Amarande | and BWL ... well, if I'm going to do the AQ chain, it looks like *all* paths point to BWL pretty much LOL |
| 06:51.34 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, awesome screenshot: http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5427/wowscrnshot072009011151.jpg |
| 06:56.30 | Amarande | wonders also what Blue Fireworks are going to sell for on Horde. :) |
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| 06:56.51 | Amarande | I decided to smuggle that recipe over while I was doing the cooking recipes. |
| 06:57.20 | Amarande | (and dammit, I need to hang out with less friendly people apparently ... whenever I try to spell 'smuggle' I keep almost saying 'snuggle') |
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| 07:07.35 | Grum | ScytheBlade1: kek |
| 07:08.29 | Grum | ScytheBlade1: i have a similar one where someone was rolling need for 100 for the last 2-3 weeks and always failing; he just had a 98 roll on the boss before and then -- http://grum.nl/kek.png |
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| 08:31.33 | Amarande | So ... Gnomish or Goblin Engineering for a Hunter these days? |
| 08:34.24 | Amarande | Or does it not really matter? |
| 08:37.04 | Corrodias | clearly, tailoring is the answer. |
| 08:39.34 | Amarande | <Dark Iron Mom> Now remember kids, there's this lovely blood elf lady named Alvaerin who comes through here pretty often. I advise you to stay away from her as she will TAKE YOUR SOULS! |
| 08:42.17 | jpmorgan | gnomes get gadgets. gobs get bombs |
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| 08:42.49 | Amarande | hmm, gnomish it is, I guess |
| 08:42.58 | Amarande | especially since BRD seems to really be telling me I want to go gnomish |
| 08:43.08 | Amarande | seriously, I got like ... three copies of the Gnomish Alarm-O-Bot schematic in this one run :| |
| 08:43.34 | jpmorgan | check some of the recipes |
| 08:43.40 | jpmorgan | altho i think u can change now if u want |
| 08:43.43 | jpmorgan | not certain |
| 08:44.00 | Amarande | bah, I still need four relic coffer keys |
| 08:44.08 | Amarande | jpmorgan: Gnomish gets the pervert goggles, isn't that good enough? :D |
| 08:45.16 | jpmorgan | i have a thing for bombs :) |
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| 08:49.07 | Amarande | jpmorgan: don't engineers get -enough- boom as it is? :) |
| 08:49.39 | jpmorgan | to be honest i have one of each |
| 08:50.06 | jpmorgan | and my favorite thing is the boots yeah they rule now |
| 08:50.49 | Amarande | well, I may make a 6th active character at some point to take inscription, maybe I should take Eng on them as their secondary |
| 08:51.28 | Amarande | grrr, still need three more relic coffer keys ... |
| 08:53.23 | Amarande | you need 12, right? |
| 08:54.17 | jpmorgan | gah so long ago cant recall |
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| 09:08.26 | Zhinjio | Quick Completely Off Topic note: If any of you are interested in a for-fun fantasy hockey league, please PM me with an email address to invite you with. Active Yahoo ID required. Autodraft kicks in on the 28th, so time is running out! Now back to your regularly scheduled channel.... |
| 09:10.10 | Shirik | who does autodraft |
| 09:10.12 | Shirik | man |
| 09:10.17 | Shirik | make a real league |
| 09:10.20 | Shirik | live draft |
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| 09:42.15 | Shirik | lol |
| 09:42.20 | Shirik | Invisible Stalker (All Phases |
| 09:42.27 | Shirik | ^ some random mob that exists in VoA apparently |
| 09:42.39 | Gnarfoz | loads of invisible mobs all over the game ^^ |
| 09:42.49 | Shirik | so awesome |
| 09:42.58 | Gnarfoz | Innocuous Scarab (DNT) |
| 09:42.58 | Shirik | I saw this event and I was like "wtf is that" and looked it up |
| 09:43.06 | Gnarfoz | ^-- in Icecrown, at the Tournament Grounds |
| 09:43.11 | Shirik | yeah but it's not called invisible stalker! |
| 09:43.18 | Gnarfoz | it's not clickable, but visible and shows up on Paladin Undead tracking |
| 09:43.26 | Kalroth | "Invisible Stalker (Floating, Uninteractible, Large, Sessile, Custom Phase 2)" |
| 09:43.37 | Gnarfoz | well, you know what they're for, right? |
| 09:43.48 | Kalroth | Stalking me! */shy* |
| 09:43.57 | Gnarfoz | obvious |
| 09:44.17 | Gnarfoz | gah, don't fucking disable the "load outdated addons" checkbox on every patch, Blizz, damnit |
| 09:45.02 | theorbtwo | It's not that bad an idea to disable it on every patch *that changes the API version*. |
| 09:46.05 | Arrowmaster | "Core Rat" |
| 09:46.15 | Arrowmaster | most powerful rat in the game |
| 09:46.46 | Arrowmaster | you do not want to fuck with him |
| 09:49.49 | foxlit | Feat of strength: check. |
| 09:50.41 | theorbtwo | foxlit: Oh? Which one did you manage? |
| 09:50.54 | foxlit | A boring one. I soloed Onyxia last night |
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| 09:54.05 | foxlit | Hah, they restored the EU brewfest quests. |
| 09:55.40 | theorbtwo | "Restored"? They killed them off? |
| 09:56.31 | foxlit | the drinking related ones weren't available earlier. |
| 09:56.43 | theorbtwo | Oh, interesting. |
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| 09:58.42 | olafski | yeah very nice |
| 09:58.44 | olafski | 40 more tokens :P |
| 09:59.08 | olafski | guess that explains why we could buy the wolpertinger pet from a vendor |
| 10:02.18 | nevcairiel | that was last year already |
| 10:09.47 | olafski | oh |
| 10:09.51 | olafski | hmm.. |
| 10:09.59 | Sesshu | hmm |
| 10:10.29 | foxlit | hmm! |
| 10:12.11 | olafski | for tokens then surely? |
| 10:12.16 | olafski | else I don't see why I didn't get it last year :P |
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| 10:13.00 | foxlit | So I wanted to render some text; ended up finding FreeType -- which renders glyphs. Wtb an API a level above that. |
| 10:13.17 | foxlit | [This game needs a quicker way to become sober.] |
| 10:19.09 | jnwhiteh | http://apidiff.pastey.net/125618 |
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| 10:41.27 | Wobin | http://ammunition-company.zirkel-des-cenarius.eu/en/pet-emote/tutorial/ |
| 10:41.28 | Wobin | ugh |
| 10:41.40 | Wobin | who ever thought that light green text on pale cream background was a good idea? |
| 10:41.54 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 10:42.07 | nevcairiel | horrible |
| 10:42.49 | Wobin | wtf |
| 10:42.55 | Wobin | the updater can't find my wow.exe |
| 10:43.17 | nevcairiel | start it once as administrator |
| 10:43.29 | Wobin | aha =) |
| 10:43.32 | Wobin | aye, just gave that go |
| 10:43.36 | Wobin | ta! |
| 10:44.26 | haste | ~wowalert |
| 10:44.27 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 10:44.38 | foxlit | The downloader was stuck at 0 :( |
| 10:48.34 | Kalroth | Wobin: Someone with a very, very dark monitor! |
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| 10:57.59 | theorbtwo | Wow. That's doubly fucked. |
| 10:58.40 | theorbtwo | The updater shows text "The latest patch notes can always be found at http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/". |
| 10:58.49 | theorbtwo | Not only does that not open in my default browser, it 404s. |
| 10:59.40 | foxlit | Adjust your browser. |
| 10:59.56 | foxlit | (The link works) |
| 11:00.29 | theorbtwo | I did notice while typing that that it also doesn't go to the URL that's in the text; it goes to http://www.wow-europe.com/patchnotes/. |
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| 11:14.43 | foxlit | http://www.wow-europe.com/en/patchnotes/ , fail. |
| 11:44.01 | Fisker | there |
| 11:44.05 | Fisker | 7050 dps on koralon |
| 11:44.35 | Fisker | sucks i'll lose roll to a 3k dps pala |
| 11:44.42 | Kalroth | SoC is bugged, paloladin! |
| 11:48.01 | Fisker | ? |
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| 11:48.58 | foxlit | /cast Mind Freeze |
| 11:49.03 | foxlit | /script if math.random(3) == 3 then local s=UnitCastingInfo("target") or UnitChannelInfo("target") if s then SendChatMessage('Yo %t, imma let you finish, but Hogger had the best ' .. s .. ' of all time.') end end |
| 11:49.19 | foxlit | Courtesy of alestane! |
| 11:49.40 | Fisker | ? |
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| 11:52.39 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 11:52.54 | Fisker | what does it dooooooooooooo |
| 11:53.09 | Kalroth | .. |
| 11:53.15 | Kalroth | Goddamn paladins |
| 11:54.08 | Fisker | ah |
| 11:54.14 | Fisker | i thought it was some kind of exploit :P |
| 11:54.31 | Fisker | because telling stuff to people who can't read it seems unnessecary |
| 11:56.33 | _rane | foxlit: rofl :D |
| 12:00.22 | Zyn | I am so going to use that macro on my DK |
| 12:01.22 | _rane | it needs a spam protection or something |
| 12:02.43 | Wobin | it has it |
| 12:02.46 | Wobin | only one in 3 |
| 12:03.14 | Wobin | it'd get really spammy on Iron Council though =P |
| 12:03.19 | _rane | not enough |
| 12:03.22 | Wobin | or Vezax |
| 12:03.40 | Wobin | yeah, well there's nothing stopping you from increasing it =P |
| 12:04.02 | Kalroth | Yo Steelbreaker, imma let you finish, but Hogger had the best Fusion Punch of all time. |
| 12:04.04 | _rane | well I was thinking about spam protection that wouldn't rely on randomness |
| 12:04.06 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/09/crazy_80000_projection_pool_ta.php |
| 12:04.39 | Wobin | _rane, uh, how about /script if false then.... |
| 12:04.44 | Wobin | that'll spam protect it! |
| 12:05.03 | Wobin | mikma, I saw that yesterday, but it's not as cool as it first appears =( |
| 12:05.06 | _rane | is that the best you can think of? ;) |
| 12:05.09 | Fisker | lololol |
| 12:05.18 | Wobin | _rane, well, you can't deny it'll stop you spamming it |
| 12:05.21 | Fisker | I couldn't get invited to VoA25 because my trinket slots were ilevel 200! |
| 12:05.31 | Fisker | A shame that some of the best trinkets are at that level then |
| 12:05.32 | Fisker | durr |
| 12:05.36 | Wobin | Fisker, maybe it's time you moved servers =P |
| 12:06.26 | Fisker | it's all fun and games |
| 12:06.46 | Wobin | Til someone loses an eye |
| 12:06.56 | Wobin | (Then it's fun and games with less depth perception!) |
| 12:09.31 | Fisker | haha |
| 12:09.32 | Fisker | nice try |
| 12:10.02 | Fisker | this voa group i got into (Which were more concerned about my dps than my trinket's itemlevel) had a rogue that tried to make all the other rogues believe he had reserved all koralon drops |
| 12:10.10 | Fisker | so i told the leader and he got kicked :D |
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| 12:12.37 | mikma | i'm ill as fisker |
| 12:13.18 | Fisker | :3? |
| 12:15.46 | Fisker | http://blue.mmo-champion.com/14/10921022886-missing-brewfest-quests.html <-you gotta be fucking kidding me |
| 12:15.51 | Fisker | The Brewfest quests âPink Elekks On Paradeâ and âCatch the Wild Wolpertinger!â were removed to ensure that World of Warcraft contains content that complies with regional game rating requirements. |
| 12:15.55 | Fisker | seriously? |
| 12:17.05 | Wobin | ... |
| 12:17.26 | Wobin | the wolpertinger breaks game ratings? |
| 12:17.41 | Wobin | you don't even -need- to drink |
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| 12:19.19 | Fisker | you'd think that they'd increase token gains or decrease the amount required then |
| 12:19.34 | Fisker | and that they'd atleast tell you before the event instead of after they got "caught" |
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| 12:21.15 | industrial | Anyone here play Aion? know if I can get a 10 day trial or something? |
| 12:25.04 | Wobin | it's still in beta, isn't it? |
| 12:25.11 | Fisker | headstart at the moment |
| 12:25.48 | Fisker | so i doubt there is a trial |
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| 12:25.48 | nevcairiel | the game kinda fails, anyway |
| 12:25.48 | nevcairiel | the whole headstart thing will kill the game |
| 12:25.54 | nevcairiel | players that can already level up, and then gank all the other players that just start |
| 12:26.38 | EthanCentaurai | WTB 3.2.2 enGB Mac patch mirror :< |
| 12:26.45 | industrial | I wanna see how a rogue class plays, might start playing :p |
| 12:26.55 | Fisker | pretty sure the first areas can't be gotten to |
| 12:26.57 | industrial | since my wow got locked again :p |
| 12:27.08 | Fisker | and the "low"-level areas have severe penalties for ganking |
| 12:27.26 | nevcairiel | well then they wait at the exit of those :P |
| 12:27.33 | nevcairiel | its already a gank game |
| 12:27.52 | industrial | anyone know of some other MMO games that are in closed/open beta right now that Don't Suck (tm)? |
| 12:28.02 | industrial | can never find any |
| 12:29.02 | Fisker | Because there aren't any |
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| 12:30.27 | mikma | industrial: ddo.com |
| 12:31.10 | Amarande | you know, lameness like removing those brewfest quests in Europe is the sort of thing that makes computer geeks less likely than others to respect the rule of law :| |
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| 12:32.04 | Amarande | Morning Peppy :) |
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| 12:33.24 | haste | Bruners: VT! |
| 12:33.31 | industrial | mikma: ty, downloading it |
| 12:33.38 | haste | Bruners: your tanking tochc! |
| 12:33.46 | mikma | industrial: me and wobin are on the only server that starts with "a" :D |
| 12:33.51 | mikma | argamoonononoo |
| 12:34.04 | Lopeppeppy | Bless you |
| 12:34.42 | mikma | GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR |
| 12:34.52 | mikma | why can't .net shit be downwards compatible |
| 12:36.40 | Amarande | heh. people are calling Europe "Soviet Europe" now on the EU boards |
| 12:37.32 | haste | Bruners: too late! |
| 12:37.56 | Amarande | you know, a lot of QQ is over the top and just plain whining |
| 12:38.10 | Amarande | however, I'm of the mind that 1) I'm glad to be American and 2) the EU folks are justified in QQing on this one |
| 12:38.28 | tlund | what are the euroeeans QQ:ing about? |
| 12:38.40 | Amarande | tlund: they just had brewfest pretty much ruined for them, heh |
| 12:38.56 | Amarande | for instance, basically, an EU person can have the Brewfest clothes or the Brewmaster achievement, but not both |
| 12:39.04 | mikma | industrial: you need to figure out that ddo is nothing like wow when it comes to the playing :) you can't just "rest" anywhere, it happens in inn's |
| 12:39.06 | Amarande | at least in one year |
| 12:39.29 | mikma | industrial: if you make a char without heals, you will have to buy/loot health potions, and buying those is extremely expensive. |
| 12:39.42 | Amarande | they cared more about PEGI ratings than they did about customer satisfaction, so they apparently yanked a couple of things from EU Brewfest |
| 12:40.12 | Amarande | which in addition to being a lame removal, also results in EU having SUBSTANTIALLY fewer tokens available to them throughout the holiday compared to us |
| 12:40.12 | foxlit | Amarande: moo? |
| 12:40.18 | tlund | Amarande: why not? it should not be a problem to get the coins required with the dailies that are still in + the keg run? |
| 12:40.19 | Fisker | what's that got to do with law Amarande ? |
| 12:40.21 | Fisker | hastemen |
| 12:40.31 | Amarande | Fisker: EU censorship crap is legendary. :) |
| 12:40.48 | Amarande | Again, it's one of those things that makes me proud to be an American, heh |
| 12:40.56 | Fisker | lol |
| 12:41.02 | Fisker | you're stupid |
| 12:41.05 | mikma | amen. |
| 12:41.07 | Amarande | anyway, I'd better get going, I have to be at work in twenty minutes. :P |
| 12:41.09 | Amarande | later folks |
| 12:41.32 | Fisker | looks like something kanye would be saying after seeing 80 bodyguards rushing the scene |
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| 12:41.42 | foxlit | " also results in EU having SUBSTANTIALLY fewer tokens available to them throughout the holiday compared to us" << 40 tokens / entire holiday is not a lot |
| 12:41.54 | foxlit | On a different note, I just completed that quest on EU realms. |
| 12:42.24 | Fisker | I still think the american pro wrestling ads are hilarious |
| 12:42.48 | foxlit | Fisker: my pony can beat up your pony. |
| 12:43.07 | Fisker | i can beat up your mom |
| 12:43.09 | Fisker | with a stick |
| 12:43.56 | foxlit | :(* |
| 12:43.57 | Fisker | http://slog.thestranger.com/files/2008/03/37227009.jpg |
| 12:43.57 | Fisker | probably a bit hard to see |
| 12:44.03 | Fisker | but they have no nipples |
| 12:44.03 | Fisker | as those are TEH LAWS |
| 12:44.29 | Fisker | and "eu" have crap censorship |
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| 12:50.47 | Aelobin | is something up with wirebrain's mirror? :S |
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| 12:51.41 | laeg | anyone else's wow crashing when you're told you need the patch and click restart on linux? |
| 12:55.21 | Zyn | which is funny |
| 12:55.33 | Zyn | cause my scroll was still like 100 lines up |
| 12:55.47 | Zyn | Fisker , I did the Elekk quest before they restarted the server :P |
| 12:56.35 | Aelobin | elekk quest? 0.o |
| 12:58.02 | Fisker | Aelobin it was too sexy for europe Aelobin |
| 12:58.16 | Aelobin | i seeee... |
| 12:58.33 | theorbtwo | Or promoted drunkenness too much, more likely. |
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| 13:00.36 | theorbtwo | I bet part of the problem is that they try to comply with the law of every member state of the EU. |
| 13:03.07 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly. |
| 13:03.21 | Lopeppeppy | They go with the strictest interpretation/law, and everyone gets the same limited thing. |
| 13:04.53 | theorbtwo | Rather sad, especially with things like quests, where it'd be so easy to make them conditional. |
| 13:04.53 | bleeter | [Ammo]: you champion, though I'm lead to believe there is no new CVar for that |
| 13:05.21 | Lopeppeppy | Conditional on what, theorbtwo? |
| 13:05.22 | theorbtwo | IE if you lived in Antibeertopia, those particular quests just wouldn't show up. |
| 13:05.28 | foxlit | eh, so they did a rolling restart to remove the brewfest stuff again? Hah. |
| 13:05.45 | Lopeppeppy | They localize by region, not by GPS location. :) |
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| 13:06.09 | foxlit | Tbh, just ask for account holder's date of birth. |
| 13:06.22 | bleeter | anyone got a list of 3.2.2's CVars? |
| 13:06.32 | Aelobin | wtb addon that scrolls through the ToU and accepts for me xD |
| 13:06.41 | bleeter | Looking for what MapWaterSounds got changed to, if anything, for [Ammo] ;) |
| 13:06.44 | foxlit | Aelobin: you could actually do that. |
| 13:06.49 | theorbtwo | They can always ask for date of birth / country of residence. |
| 13:06.53 | Aelobin | 0.o |
| 13:06.54 | foxlit | well, an application, but same thing. |
| 13:07.03 | Aelobin | hehe :) |
| 13:07.26 | industrial | well then you ccan still do it ;p |
| 13:07.30 | industrial | just send mouse scroll down a lot then click on a certain area |
| 13:07.45 | bleeter | Aelobin: man xdotool |
| 13:07.57 | bleeter | add some perl |
| 13:08.00 | bleeter | bob's yer uncle |
| 13:08.06 | Aelobin | lol he is indeed |
| 13:08.15 | theorbtwo | Lopeppeppy: They *currently* localize several ways -- client language, server language, and subsidary the account belongs to -- EU/US/China. |
| 13:08.28 | Lopeppeppy | theorbtwo, that would be some pretty intense work to localize that narrowly. Region is just going to have to be good enough. |
| 13:08.56 | Aelobin | time for the addon screw-up of the patch awards :P |
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| 13:09.29 | tlund | [15:06] #WoWUIDev <Aelobin> wtb addon that scrolls through the ToU and accepts for me xD |
| 13:09.33 | tlund | edit config.wtf |
| 13:09.54 | tlund | also, the config is changed by the downloader, not by the patch. |
| 13:09.56 | bleeter | Aelobin: in fact... http://users.on.net/~bleeter/code/xdowowtool.sh |
| 13:09.56 | theorbtwo | Lopeppeppy: Not really, no, it wouldn't. I don't mean "make an entirely different world for them". I don't even mean "translate all the text in the game". |
| 13:10.08 | bleeter | Aelobin: yeah or do what tlund suggests via sed |
| 13:10.20 | theorbtwo | Just make a couple of quests show up or not show up. |
| 13:10.45 | foxlit | We so need to track down the country responsible. |
| 13:11.43 | bleeter | my other irc comment is intelligent |
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| 13:12.13 | A-KO^ | so does Aion even have a customizeable UI? Or no? |
| 13:12.18 | theorbtwo | foxlit: Yeah, I'm assuming that Bliz already knows that. |
| 13:12.39 | foxlit | Yeah, but when have their ever communicated anything interesting to us? |
| 13:12.42 | Lopeppeppy | I'm pretty sure it's a lot more work than you think it is, theorbtwo. |
| 13:12.56 | bleeter | localisation is an incredible pain in the arse |
| 13:13.02 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
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| 13:13.23 | bleeter | even a half arsed implementation is like having one's genetalia attacked with a nail gun |
| 13:13.31 | A-KO^ | lol |
| 13:13.53 | theorbtwo | ...and that it *is* a specific country being silly, or for a particluar age range. |
| 13:14.13 | bleeter | until one's 'seen it all', I don't think coder really appreciate how important it is to do it right |
| 13:14.18 | bleeter | thus, there's always issues |
| 13:14.19 | theorbtwo | bleeter: What do you mean by "localisation", exactly, though? |
| 13:14.48 | mikma | jesus fucking christ people in general are stupid |
| 13:14.58 | mikma | they just can't read what i type |
| 13:15.06 | bleeter | theorbtwo: I worked for a company that had to follow the letter of the law in countries, so.. anything up to that ;) |
| 13:15.08 | mikma | i've said that the pink elekk quest was removed for 5 times now |
| 13:15.15 | mikma | "OMG BLIZZ FIX THE BUG!" |
| 13:15.24 | theorbtwo | There's lots of areas of localization, and I'm only suggesting you do the easiest possible bit. |
| 13:15.25 | bleeter | mikma: where's the pink elekk quest??? |
| 13:15.33 | Kalroth | mikma: where is the pink elekk quest?? |
| 13:15.37 | A-KO^ | lol |
| 13:15.38 | mikma | bleeter: you need to get *REALLY* drunk |
| 13:15.41 | bleeter | mikma: I wish blizz would fix the bug |
| 13:15.47 | mikma | i mean, losing memory -drunk |
| 13:15.57 | bleeter | mikma: but I'm a recovering alcoholic, I'm an abstainer |
| 13:15.58 | bleeter | also |
| 13:16.01 | Kalroth | mikma: and then log into WoW?! |
| 13:16.05 | bleeter | I don't like putting things on my head |
| 13:16.15 | mikma | if that doesn't do the job |
| 13:16.18 | Kalroth | bleeter: that's what -she- said last night |
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| 13:16.39 | mikma | there's always "jesus what are these goddamn animals?!?" and "we can't stop here, this is a bat country" |
| 13:18.08 | mikma | ~kalroth++ |
| 13:18.19 | A-KO^ | bleeter: in the game you can get goggles |
| 13:18.23 | A-KO^ | that simulate being drunk :P |
| 13:18.47 | theorbtwo | Goggles only take you to "drunk", you need to keep drinking to get "completely sozzled", or whatever it's called. |
| 13:18.50 | mikma | when will they removethose too |
| 13:19.26 | A-KO^ | you can see the elekks with the goggles |
| 13:19.33 | A-KO^ | I know for a fact |
| 13:19.49 | A-KO^ | 'cause I used 'em :P it's easier than pounding out the $ for the booze |
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| 13:20.16 | theorbtwo | Hm, I've seen the other thingies, but not the elekks. |
| 13:20.24 | alestane | I just used a stein and got drunk for free. |
| 13:20.42 | alestane | theorbtwo: You know the elekks aren't at IF? |
| 13:20.56 | theorbtwo | alestane: That'd do it. |
| 13:21.22 | theorbtwo | The bad thing about the stein is that you can't use it to get completely fucked elsewhere, for the falling-down achievement and the like. |
| 13:21.56 | bleeter | Wobin: i see they're doing a thanksgiving festival this year. can you say.. 'BIG FUCKING WHOOPEE'? |
| 13:22.33 | bleeter | fucking seppo cultural imperialism |
| 13:23.41 | alestane | bleeter: Practically every in-game holiday is specific to SOMEWHERE. |
| 13:23.57 | Wobin | bleeter, happy moon festival =) |
| 13:24.06 | theorbtwo | ...or, at least, some culture. |
| 13:24.43 | Wobin | alestane, eh, the drunk goggles are also free |
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| 13:24.46 | Wobin | and take less time |
| 13:25.20 | bleeter | alestane: still waiting for any kinda southern hemisphere festival |
| 13:25.34 | A-KO^ | they should have la tomatina in WoW :P |
| 13:25.39 | bleeter | though, I guess, new moon... singapore |
| 13:25.42 | A-KO^ | or running of the kodos |
| 13:25.48 | alestane | You'd better tell them what they are then, I'm afraid I don't know what people celebrate in Australia. |
| 13:25.51 | bleeter | A-KO^: surfing contest ;) |
| 13:26.11 | A-KO^ | lol |
| 13:26.11 | A-KO^ | alestane: crocodile wrestling? |
| 13:26.17 | Bruners | haste: :( i was out getting a haircut |
| 13:26.18 | theorbtwo | Running of the X would be strange -- note that there's no Alliance cities useful as shortcuts. |
| 13:26.34 | theorbtwo | Well, other then if you count via portholes, which could be interesting. |
| 13:26.50 | haste | Bruners: baww :( |
| 13:27.33 | bleeter | seriously, cataclysm just screams extreme surfing competition |
| 13:27.40 | bleeter | yeah, crocodile wresting |
| 13:28.00 | bleeter | though to be honest each year more aussies die from box jelly fish than crocodiles and sharks |
| 13:28.07 | bleeter | jelly fish wrestling mmmm |
| 13:29.08 | bleeter | dust storm sculpting |
| 13:31.44 | Bruners | haste: done brd? |
| 13:32.01 | haste | Bruners: nope, watching house atm tho' |
| 13:32.16 | theorbtwo | It's one hell of an episode. |
| 13:32.39 | haste | or two... |
| 13:33.10 | A-KO^ | lol wow talk at work |
| 13:33.11 | A-KO^ | :P |
| 13:33.13 | A-KO^ | so funny |
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| 13:49.06 | Lopeppeppy | Woot is doing deals all day long... http://www.woot.com/ |
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| 14:21.57 | Wobin | damn you woot |
| 14:22.00 | Wobin | for not shipping out of the US |
| 14:24.48 | industrial | Wobin: if ddo is free |
| 14:24.52 | industrial | do they have ads or something? |
| 14:24.56 | industrial | I'm now doanloading the client |
| 14:25.12 | industrial | noooo idea what to pick @ class creation :p |
| 14:25.30 | industrial | I like something stealthy if thats viable for leveling, else the leveling powerhouse ;p |
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| 14:26.49 | Wobin | no ads |
| 14:26.58 | Wobin | pick a rogue then |
| 14:27.11 | Wobin | although mikma found it a bit troublesome with a lack of healing |
| 14:27.34 | mikma | aye |
| 14:27.56 | mikma | playing without healer = no money because it all goes into bottles |
| 14:28.00 | mikma | but, i <3 my Cleric :D |
| 14:29.25 | Wobin | rogue was kinda cool though |
| 14:29.45 | Wobin | I liked the stealth killing |
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| 14:32.25 | mikma | rogue and cleric might be a good combo too |
| 14:32.43 | mikma | rogue goes and opens from sneak and cleric keeps him up |
| 14:32.50 | mikma | and beats the mofos with mace |
| 14:33.04 | Wobin | could do that with monk/cleric |
| 14:33.15 | Wobin | monk can tank pretty well |
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| 14:33.21 | Wobin | (eventually) |
| 14:33.47 | mikma | but lacks the open lock :( |
| 14:33.47 | mikma | and disable traps |
| 14:34.41 | Wobin | true |
| 14:34.48 | alestane | I'f I've got 2050 bonus spell power, and I'm putting out 1300 dps, is that my gear or my play? |
| 14:34.54 | mikma | play |
| 14:35.01 | Wobin | play |
| 14:35.05 | alestane | I got got asked to leave an ony 10 to make room for somone more l33t. |
| 14:35.17 | Wobin | 2k sp is pretty decent |
| 14:35.24 | mikma | yes, it is |
| 14:35.30 | alestane | Okay. Is shadow bolt not the staple spell for warlocks who aren't destro? |
| 14:35.34 | Vlakarados | it's < badge gear |
| 14:35.46 | alestane | dot, dot, dot, SB unless a dot needs refreshing. |
| 14:36.06 | Vlakarados | only if you have bane 5/5 |
| 14:36.35 | alestane | I don't understand which way you say it needs to go. |
| 14:36.53 | alestane | I have bane 0/5...SB or something else? |
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| 14:38.33 | Vlakarados | can someone please help me out with status bar, it doesn't resize when I update it with frame:SetValue(n); |
| 14:39.52 | alestane | What's the min and max values? |
| 14:39.59 | Vlakarados | 0, 32 |
| 14:40.27 | Vlakarados | and it has doesn't change to 15-20 |
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| 15:12.50 | Aelobin | does onyxia require an OT? |
| 15:13.18 | A-KO^ | yes |
| 15:13.20 | A-KO^ | well |
| 15:13.22 | A-KO^ | not necessarily |
| 15:13.23 | A-KO^ | but it helps |
| 15:13.30 | Hjalte | Aelobin: I've tanked the 10-man version alone. I'm not sure if they changed it more than when I tried it though. |
| 15:13.41 | Aelobin | hmm ok ty |
| 15:13.53 | Aelobin | if you have say a warrior dps in the whelps, could you get away with only a MT |
| 15:14.30 | A-KO^ | as long as your healers aren't occupied |
| 15:14.32 | A-KO^ | you should be fine |
| 15:14.40 | Aelobin | awesome |
| 15:14.43 | A-KO^ | 2 healers 1 tank 7 DPS--as long as your DPS doesn't fail :P |
| 15:14.47 | Aelobin | looking forward to ony25 wing buffet xD |
| 15:14.48 | A-KO^ | maybe 3 healers if your players suck |
| 15:14.58 | A-KO^ | I haven't done 10 yet |
| 15:14.59 | A-KO^ | only 25 |
| 15:15.32 | alestane | Recount still the damage meter of choice? |
| 15:15.38 | A-KO^ | that's what we use |
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| 15:20.44 | _rane | seriously... |
| 15:21.00 | _rane | questhelper consuming 22MB of memory and my FPS is like 60 |
| 15:22.08 | foxlit | Is that good or bad? |
| 15:22.12 | _rane | very bad |
| 15:22.32 | foxlit | I can't tell from the sentence; it's an emotional rollercoaster. |
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| 15:23.33 | foxlit | questhelper --> boo, hiss, read quest texts etc; 22 MB of memory --> meh, my hamster uses more; FPS is like 60 --> i.e. "reasonable". |
| 15:23.49 | _rane | could be reasonable in opinion |
| 15:24.45 | foxlit | Let's just replace it with "just fine" |
| 15:24.56 | foxlit | "reasonable" is probably around low 20s. |
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| 15:25.41 | _rane | it's hardly reasonable for an addon to cause a noticeable FPS drop to ~60 |
| 15:25.47 | _rane | too bad I find it so useful :p |
| 15:26.12 | spode- | u sure it's qh causing the fps drop? |
| 15:26.30 | _rane | yes |
| 15:26.44 | foxlit | _rane: The vertical refresh frequency of your screen is what, exactly? |
| 15:26.49 | _rane | just tried, and I'm not the only one: http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=8374729006&sid=1 |
| 15:27.26 | _rane | foxlit: don't try to be a smartass, like I said, it's noticeable fps drop |
| 15:27.33 | Gnarfoz | your fps "drops" to 60? it shouldn't even be higher than 60 as long as you're using a LCD |
| 15:30.30 | foxlit | _rane: noticeable by staring your your FPS counter, I'm sure :) |
| 15:30.52 | _rane | you think I would notice it in first place without â¦â¦â¦ yeah whatever |
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| 15:53.26 | Shirik | I am a god |
| 15:53.40 | Shirik | I just got $80k worth of software for free |
| 15:53.53 | Shirik | should be a business major |
| 15:54.46 | Gnarfoz | YES! |
| 15:54.49 | Gnarfoz | I |
| 15:54.50 | Gnarfoz | AM |
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| 15:54.52 | Gnarfoz | A |
| 15:54.52 | Gnarfoz | GOD |
| 15:55.02 | Gnarfoz | name the boss |
| 15:57.54 | Shirik | where do you think I got that from |
| 15:57.59 | Shirik | it's that nutcase from MGT |
| 16:01.04 | foxlit | MGT was merely a setback. |
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| 16:09.21 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: s/mgt/azjol'nerub/ |
| 16:09.37 | Gnarfoz | patch 4.2: Icecrown was merely a setback ;\ |
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| 16:11.35 | foxlit | but patch 4.2 is already "blackwing lair was merely a setback" :/ |
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| 16:24.45 | A-KO^ | hmmm |
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| 16:31.32 | A-KO^ | so does Ony actually have a hard mode or no? |
| 16:33.30 | durcyn | no |
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| 16:41.33 | Gnarfoz | just free loot mode |
| 16:41.58 | Fisker | nah Gnarfoz |
| 16:42.14 | Gnarfoz | of course not for pugs |
| 16:42.18 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 16:42.56 | Fisker | i cried that when we went into phase 3 on one of our attempts |
| 16:43.02 | Fisker | the tank went into cat and started dps'ing |
| 16:43.21 | Fisker | While the shaman was desperately trying to keep himself alive because noone would take those whelps off him |
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| 16:46.20 | msoul | anyone using fortexorcist addon? |
| 16:48.03 | msoul | it keep track on deseases etc but it does for the whole party/raid instead of just my cooldowns |
| 16:48.21 | Aelobin | A-KO^: so what happens in P2 with 1 tank? |
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| 16:51.29 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=8494 <- 3.2.2 made this pet epic |
| 16:55.13 | Fisker | why? |
| 16:55.44 | mikma | no idea |
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| 16:59.45 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_092309_194856.jpg |
| 17:06.34 | Aelobin | wtf is with onyxia's hitbox :S |
| 17:08.43 | cog|work | ~lart fedex |
| 17:08.43 | purl | chops fedex in half with a free AOL CD |
| 17:09.13 | cog|work | Sep 21: Picked up in City A. Sept 21: arrived at hub in City B. Sept 22: out for delivery in City A |
| 17:09.26 | cog|work | s/22: out/23: out/ |
| 17:09.40 | cog|work | gah i fail |
| 17:09.49 | cog|work | s/21: arrived/22: arrived/ |
| 17:09.56 | cog|work | but fedex fails more!!! |
| 17:18.41 | msoul | Aelobin: this addon is a piece of cake for dks |
| 17:18.49 | Aelobin | hai :) |
| 17:18.53 | msoul | Hey |
| 17:18.56 | Aelobin | i gots my deathdealers and marrowstrike x |
| 17:18.57 | msoul | Forteyxorcist |
| 17:18.58 | Aelobin | * xD |
| 17:19.14 | msoul | nice |
| 17:19.25 | msoul | i am hoping i get the trinket from ulduar today |
| 17:19.28 | msoul | i need nothing but it |
| 17:19.40 | msoul | will be pissed if i lose a roll again |
| 17:19.46 | Aelobin | urgh we have 2 melee in onyxia but they can't seem to hit her in P2 |
| 17:19.48 | Aelobin | :/ |
| 17:19.51 | msoul | as none of them raid as much as i and they join roll boom got it |
| 17:20.03 | msoul | will try it tomorrow probably |
| 17:20.11 | msoul | you dualspec btw? |
| 17:20.21 | msoul | if you dps as blood switch your sigil with verulence |
| 17:21.54 | msoul | now before the raid i need to figure one thing |
| 17:22.04 | msoul | how to disable the raid spells and keep track on mine with this addon |
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| 17:48.54 | foxlit | "I'm just popping in to confirm this resets every 18 hours, not 12 as has been the case in previous years." (The ram racing event at brewfest) |
| 17:49.01 | foxlit | One has to wonder why they didn't make it a daily quest. |
| 17:50.08 | Lunessa | foxlit: I wondered that myself. |
| 17:50.18 | foxlit | I suppose it has no clear objective |
| 17:51.34 | Lunessa | I'm going to get heartily sick of ram racing by the time brewfest is over. |
| 17:51.54 | NightHawkAtWork | I'm still sick of it from last year |
| 17:52.14 | foxlit | Lunessa: Thankfully, it won't take a lot of time to complete everything |
| 17:52.21 | foxlit | You just need 350 tokens. |
| 17:52.50 | Lunessa | foxlit: I need 350 for the clothes and another 100 for the pet. Unless the 'sell back' scam works. |
| 17:52.59 | foxlit | The sell back works. |
| 17:53.14 | Lunessa | Well then. I need 275 more tokens. :) |
| 17:54.29 | foxlit | The windows volume mixer so needs to be able to amplify sound past 100% of the intended output intensity. |
| 17:56.58 | NightHawkAtWork | so, it needs to go to 11? |
| 17:57.53 | foxlit | To at least 24. |
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| 18:09.11 | Seerah | my dial goes up to 11, NHTS |
| 18:09.56 | NeoTron | I have 3 people in my guild that debated returning to WoW to complete their drake achievement from the holidays |
| 18:09.59 | NeoTron | none did |
| 18:10.53 | KarlKFI|work | too much work |
| 18:13.07 | NightHawkAtWork | Seerah: ... there's nothing i could say to that that wouldn't result in me getting hurt, i'm pretty sure |
| 18:13.17 | Seerah | sighs |
| 18:14.30 | Seerah | oh, foxlit - hubby had a feature request for OPie. ability to disable a ring in combat. |
| 18:15.02 | foxlit | Seerah: It's already there |
| 18:15.21 | Seerah | oh? we missed it then. >< |
| 18:15.21 | foxlit | Bind it to [nocombat] YourBindingHere |
| 18:15.28 | Seerah | admittedly, I preferred the old options layout |
| 18:15.44 | foxlit | How old are we talking about? |
| 18:16.04 | Seerah | ummm..... when I first started using it after it came out XD |
| 18:17.10 | Seerah | oh, I see alt-left click when setting a binding. the window that opens though has layering issues with the config, though |
| 18:17.45 | olafski | I found a few layering issues with the config too |
| 18:17.55 | olafski | adding a new custom ring has the ring name popup behind the config panel |
| 18:18.02 | olafski | if you close the config panel first the adding fails |
| 18:18.21 | Lunessa | Seerah: 11? Why not just make 10 louder? :P |
| 18:18.25 | olafski | same with changing the color for a slice |
| 18:18.35 | Seerah | Lunessa: it's a Spinal Tap reference :P :P |
| 18:18.48 | Lunessa | Seerah: So was my line. :P |
| 18:18.50 | olafski | very neat addon though ;p |
| 18:18.59 | Seerah | Lunessa: oh... it's been a while >< |
| 18:19.05 | olafski | installed it and took like 15 buttons off my UI :P |
| 18:19.14 | foxlit | Hm, that's odd. There were some layering concerns with the binding UI, but I thought I got them all |
| 18:19.27 | foxlit | You sure you aren't running anything that messes with the options UI? |
| 18:19.31 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbVKWCpNFhY |
| 18:19.49 | foxlit | (For me, the static popups always appear on top of interface options) |
| 18:19.50 | Seerah | foxlit: any way you can make the description/instructions on the bindings page use GameFontNormal instead of GameFontSmall? I think maybe that's why I missed it. |
| 18:19.54 | Seerah | sure |
| 18:20.33 | Seerah | I was also probably just looking for a toggle on the custom rings page, though.... |
| 18:20.35 | foxlit | Seerah: the practical concern is that I'm out of vertical space. |
| 18:20.50 | Seerah | well, I suppose it depends on how many rings you have... |
| 18:21.05 | foxlit | Oh, er, that panel. |
| 18:21.11 | Bruners | haste: onyxia gogo |
| 18:21.33 | foxlit | I suppose I could; I mainly chose Small because that's how the default UI does it. |
| 18:21.49 | olafski | foxlit: I'm not sure if anything messes with the option UI :< |
| 18:22.17 | Seerah | foxlit: maybe it's just my font. |
| 18:23.08 | Seerah | anyway, when I alt-click on the binding button, the frame opens on top of the binding buttons, but behind the arrow/macro buttons and behind the ring names |
| 18:23.49 | olafski | is there any way I can check whether an addon messes with it? or maybe easier, can I check the depth of the config window |
| 18:24.15 | foxlit | Seerah: Can't replicate :/ |
| 18:24.27 | Seerah | foxlit: hmm... on my tester toon it's correct. lemme check one more thing |
| 18:24.51 | foxlit | olafski: You could create a new character, disable all addons but OPie, and check whether the issue you have is still there. |
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| 18:26.12 | olafski | foxlit: great idea, I'll do that after my current quest is done |
| 18:26.34 | Seerah | foxlit: enabling stuf (which uses BetterBlizzOptions) still didn't change it from displaying correctly. That is the only thing that I have which touches the config window in any way. I'm not sure why it's different on Seerah than from this toon |
| 18:26.38 | olafski | bah I'm still annoyed someone stole my tankard o' terror :< |
| 18:27.07 | mikma | ewwww, BetterBlizzOptions = WorseBlizzOptions |
| 18:27.47 | Seerah | at least it only changes the options when I'm on the stuf config menu. when I switch to a different addon, it goes back to normal size and unmovable |
| 18:28.36 | foxlit | What does /framestack say about it when it appears below things? |
| 18:29.07 | Seerah | foxlit: on my DK, the frame is behind things again, but this time the background is also behind the binding buttons (though the example text is above). Perhaps it's just on the same frame level as the options and it's random as to who wins?... |
| 18:29.24 | foxlit | Seerah: /framestack :) |
| 18:29.47 | foxlit | The actual frame is anonymous, but if you hover over where the text boxshould be, check which strata OPC_BindInputScroll is in. |
| 18:30.04 | Seerah | getting there :p |
| 18:30.25 | olafski | works with a new char foxlit :) guess the problem is in one of my addons |
| 18:30.25 | Seerah | it has both the bind key and the anonymous frame on level 4 |
| 18:30.48 | foxlit | It's not so much the frame level as the strata that I'm concerned about |
| 18:30.52 | Seerah | and another anonymous frame at 3 |
| 18:31.04 | foxlit | The textbox popout should be in DIALOG, the InterfaceOptionsFrame in HIGH |
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| 18:32.31 | Seerah | InterfaceOptionsFramePanelContainer is in DIALOG, as in InterfaceOptionsFrame |
| 18:32.41 | foxlit | Er, that's not normal |
| 18:33.22 | foxlit | In that case, yeah, the frame levels can collide and the result is semirandom. |
| 18:33.45 | foxlit | The question is, why are your InterfaceOptionsFrame and my InterfaceOptionsFrame in different stratas? |
| 18:33.59 | Stanzilla | using BetterBlizzOptions? |
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| 18:34.29 | foxlit | Now, see, I downloaded a version of that off curse, and it doesn't seem to mess with stratas. |
| 18:34.34 | foxlit | Nor did Seerah experience the thing immediately upon enabling BBO |
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| 18:35.38 | foxlit | Hm. Apparently there are different mutations. |
| 18:36.07 | Seerah | let me go back to my tester toon and check again |
| 18:36.13 | foxlit | http://www.wowace.com/addons/libbetterblizzoptions-1-0/files/4-r4/ << is ancient |
| 18:36.29 | foxlit | but does InterfaceOptionsFrame:SetFrameStrata("FULLSCREEN_DIALOG"), which will cause the evil behavior. |
| 18:37.43 | olafski | hm |
| 18:38.00 | olafski | my config panel looks different from what it looked like with only OPie enabled |
| 18:38.51 | Seerah | hmm... apparently, Stuf doesn't use BBO... but it's own implementation of it |
| 18:39.21 | Seerah | but doesn't seem to mess with strata either |
| 18:39.53 | foxlit | Seerah: but you're not actually experiencing problems with only Stuf and OPie enabled? |
| 18:40.22 | Seerah | no. InterfaceOptions is in HIGH |
| 18:40.34 | Seerah | the custom binding frame is in DIALOG |
| 18:40.52 | foxlit | Which is the intended behavior. |
| 18:40.59 | Seerah | if there is another addon that alters the strata, it's a hidden "feature" |
| 18:41.09 | foxlit | grep for it? :) |
| 18:41.17 | Seerah | *nod* |
| 18:42.31 | Seerah | Mapster |
| 18:42.54 | Seerah | tested and confirmed |
| 18:43.18 | Seerah | line 108 of config.lua: InterfaceOptionsFrame:SetFrameStrata("DIALOG") |
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| 18:45.07 | Seerah | it's in there to make it go over the world map |
| 18:45.45 | Seerah | afk a min |
| 18:46.13 | foxlit | Could've just lowered the map :/ |
| 18:46.38 | mikma | whats this addon you've been talking about |
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| 18:49.36 | foxlit | Out of interest, does http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsScL3zBlwA stream in USland? |
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| 18:50.25 | Lopeppeppy | Not avail. due to copyright restrictions |
| 18:50.33 | foxlit | hah, payback. |
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| 18:51.30 | alestane | rubs peanut butter into Lopeppeppy's hair. |
| 18:51.33 | alestane | I missed you too! |
| 18:52.00 | DWSR | I don't even wanna repeat how I misread that. |
| 18:52.30 | alestane | ...always happy to oblige, I guess. |
| 18:52.31 | mikma | penis butter? |
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| 18:52.54 | DWSR | ^^ >.< |
| 18:53.12 | NightHawkAtWork | what's a good gui ftp/scp/sftp client for linux? |
| 18:53.16 | Thunder_Child | "This change was originally planned for patch 3.3 but it was accidently applied to the current patch 3.2.2." thats one hell of an accident |
| 18:53.21 | ScytheBlade1 | konqueror? |
| 18:53.30 | DWSR | NHAT: er...just about any file browser should work. |
| 18:53.39 | foxlit | alestane: So the SABT patch is in :) |
| 18:53.42 | DWSR | NHAW: What browser are you using? |
| 18:53.54 | DWSR | T_C: Yeah. .... |
| 18:54.04 | alestane | foxlit: You didn't think that was gonna sit around very long, did you? |
| 18:54.20 | foxlit | Well, you didn't make the zomghotfix, did you? :) |
| 18:54.24 | DWSR | T_C: What change are they talking about it? |
| 18:54.30 | alestane | Not up to me. |
| 18:54.39 | alestane | And you can't hotfix it, it takes a patch. |
| 18:54.40 | Thunder_Child | DWSR, the AV bracket changes |
| 18:54.49 | foxlit | Well, zomgclientsidepatch. |
| 18:54.49 | DWSR | :( |
| 18:54.53 | DWSR | I liked them tbh. |
| 18:54.59 | foxlit | Doesn't sound quite as urgent that way :) |
| 18:55.13 | DWSR | tbh, 80 only AV has been needed ever since BG experience. |
| 18:55.24 | DWSR | Though, the fact that they nerfed experience in AV by 50% has helped a bit as well. |
| 18:55.31 | alestane | It was too complicated to exploit to be that urgent. The /dump issue was a lot worse. |
| 18:56.06 | DWSR | btw. |
| 18:56.07 | foxlit | I'm not too bothered :) |
| 18:56.23 | DWSR | Anyone here use WIM/Prat and noticing that they don't get system messages anymore? |
| 18:56.25 | foxlit | But here's a different one to ponder: secure snippets executing in OnClick scripts can alter the state of the secure environment. |
| 18:56.31 | Lopeppeppy | this stupid patch better download. Grrrrr. |
| 18:57.00 | foxlit | Addons may remove OnClick handlers from protected frames in combat without tainting the handler. |
| 18:57.05 | ScytheBlade1 | The WoW patch, Lopeppeppy? |
| 18:57.45 | alestane | Yes, although the inability to put it back makes this sort of awkward to exploit as well. |
| 18:57.51 | Lopeppeppy | *nod* First chance I've gotten, I'm between stupid doctors atm. |
| 18:57.58 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:58.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Have at it |
| 18:58.23 | alestane | We may still have to do something about it, but it's unlikely to be the sort of thing where the player base gets flooded with exploiters. |
| 18:58.26 | foxlit | alestane: Yes, that would make things unappealable. |
| 18:58.28 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, ScytheBlade1. If it goes ballsup trying from bliz, I'll go there next |
| 18:58.45 | foxlit | However, you can put them back :) |
| 18:59.34 | foxlit | performance would probably suck, but it's possible to make it work using O(1) frames for indefinitely long. |
| 18:59.42 | alestane | I think I see where you're going with this.... |
| 19:00.03 | NightHawkAtWork | DWSR: nautelous (sp?) the default gnome one. hmm, that does that implicitly? |
| 19:00.04 | batbot | NightHawkAtWork, nothing found. |
| 19:00.11 | alestane | Wrap an empty OnClick with something that manipulates the secure environment, remove the resulting handler, wrap it again. |
| 19:00.20 | DWSR | NHAW: Nautilus. And yes, iirc. |
| 19:00.31 | NightHawkAtWork | hm, did not know that |
| 19:00.45 | foxlit | alestane: indeed. I don't have a working implementation, but it should work. |
| 19:00.50 | foxlit | goes off to lunch. |
| 19:00.56 | DWSR | NHAW: Just try it. |
| 19:01.10 | alestane | You can't wrap things in combat either, but there's a certain exploitability there. |
| 19:02.06 | alestane | Probably the easiest way to fix it would be to restrict setting scripts on protected frames during combat. |
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| 19:10.07 | cog|work | wtb eye tracking software to focus whatever window i'm looking at... |
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| 19:10.16 | cog|work | oh and |
| 19:10.20 | DWSR | cog|work: Probably already exists. |
| 19:10.21 | cog|work | staples Repo to the channel |
| 19:11.03 | Lopeppeppy | No of staples |
| 19:11.13 | Seerah | awesome. 65 brewfest tickets from last year in my bank :D |
| 19:11.29 | Lopeppeppy | yay seerah! |
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| 19:13.43 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, you scared it, the patch worked! |
| 19:13.54 | DWSR | lol |
| 19:13.55 | Lopeppeppy | The launcher is still frakked, but hey, who needs that? |
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| 19:14.05 | alestane | Now did you ever solve your authenticator issue? |
| 19:14.28 | Lopeppeppy | ya. disconnected old, got new. Almost know hwere it is, too. |
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| 19:17.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Lopeppeppy: heh |
| 19:17.24 | ScytheBlade1 | the threat of obseletion works, it seems |
| 19:17.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm just glad that my patch downloader script works |
| 19:17.45 | Lopeppeppy | Whatever makes it behave, I'm down with it. |
| 19:18.01 | ScytheBlade1 | My downloader sat at 0% for a good 20 minutes before I dug it out and had it downloaded in about 20 seconds |
| 19:18.08 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: The usual word is "obsolescence." |
| 19:18.34 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: that makes sense actually, thanks |
| 19:18.36 | A-KO^ | oops |
| 19:18.41 | NightHawkAtWork | It |
| 19:18.41 | A-KO^ | just made a booboo with Altiris :P |
| 19:18.58 | Lopeppeppy | obsowhatever |
| 19:19.05 | NightHawkAtWork | It's always pleasant to be blamed for missing something, when `svn log` clearly contradicts that. |
| 19:19.09 | A-KO^ | just pushed a policy and forgot to exclude some core servers from the list of the policy......and like 2 servers rebooted automatically :/ |
| 19:19.30 | NightHawkAtWork | grats :) |
| 19:19.44 | A-KO^ | :) |
| 19:24.51 | Lopeppeppy | bad monkye |
| 19:25.28 | alestane | huggles Lopeppeppy and washes her hair for her. |
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| 19:28.16 | Lopeppeppy | seriously, it's about at that stage with this hand, alestane. ortho tomorrow! Drugs today! |
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| 19:28.50 | alestane | Now I must go get a brownie. |
| 19:30.34 | Lopeppeppy | ... drugs = brownie. Okay. :P off to rescue rosie from durance vile, ttfn. |
| 19:34.12 | cog|work | yes, drugs = brownie... besides caffeine, doesn't chocolate contain a few other substances which have been found to trigger changes in brain chemistry? |
| 19:34.50 | nicoli_s | yep |
| 19:36.36 | cog|work | if Eating(NoodleSoup) then glasses = tehsuck end |
| 19:38.54 | nicoli_s | i should get off my ass and replace my glasses with contacts |
| 19:39.36 | cog|work | i wish i could, but i have an astigmatism which is too weak for astigmatism contacts to correct effectively. |
| 19:40.32 | cog|work | besides, what's a nerd without glasses? :P |
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| 19:40.37 | nicoli_s | lol indeed |
| 19:40.47 | nicoli_s | and i actually have astigmatism too, wonder if that applies to me |
| 19:41.08 | cog|work | with astigmatism contacts have to be weighted so they align properly |
| 19:41.43 | cog|work | since they're never going to be in perfect alignment, if your eyes aren't "that bad," they may end up making things wors. |
| 19:41.59 | cog|work | + korekt speeling |
| 19:43.32 | Fisker | offends nicoli_s |
| 19:43.34 | Fisker | in the butt |
| 19:43.37 | Duman | ahh, is that how astigmatism contacts work? never realized it |
| 19:44.16 | Duman | luckily, I don't have astigmatism, so my contacts are fairly standard/simple |
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| 20:12.20 | foxlit | alestane: Yes, that sounds like it could work. I'm not sure if it would break anything. |
| 20:14.57 | alestane | Also, I may suggest that only secure scripts on protected frames be restricted during combat; let me know if you think that exposes something. |
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| 20:21.23 | DWSR | dude |
| 20:21.27 | DWSR | It's time for Deadmau5. |
| 20:21.31 | DWSR | W00!!!! o/ |
| 20:26.18 | foxlit | Hm, saved by error("Cannot use SecureHandlers API during combat"); |
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| 20:30.31 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 20:30.32 | Fisker | ? |
| 20:32.28 | Fisker | pops foxlit |
| 20:32.47 | foxlit | pushes Fisker. |
| 20:33.04 | Fisker | trolls alestane |
| 20:36.26 | foxlit | alestane: I was thinking of abusing SABT to trigger a securehandler wrap, but apparently it was prepared for that. So it's not possible to rehook, which limits the usefulness somewhat. |
| 20:36.47 | foxlit | Preventing me from messing with protected script handlers while in combat would probably make things even more secure. |
| 20:37.12 | nevcairiel | still exploiting your way through secure handlers, eh |
| 20:37.52 | foxlit | To be fair, it's the SABT/SH interaction that's causing most of those openings. |
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| 20:39.10 | foxlit | They were not designed as a single unit, so there are some mismatches between what abuse they think they can be exposed to. |
| 20:45.13 | p3lim | Is there any 3.2-3.2.2 FrameXML diff somewhere? WoWCompares doenst work (yet?) |
| 20:52.38 | jnwhiteh | p3lim: give me a sec |
| 20:52.38 | ScytheBlade1 | There sure is |
| 20:52.40 | jnwhiteh | and i'll get the wowprogramming oen updated. |
| 20:52.42 | ScytheBlade1 | pats the k3d-bot |
| 20:53.24 | p3lim | thanks jnwhiteh |
| 20:53.52 | p3lim | been using wowp one since wowcompares went down |
| 20:54.07 | p3lim | kinda like it, but it took some getting used to |
| 20:55.20 | jnwhiteh | hrm, i might have just fucked up, lol |
| 20:55.22 | foxlit | Hah, this is much neater. |
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| 20:55.45 | jnwhiteh | gah =( |
| 20:56.25 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:56.27 | Fisker | hurr |
| 20:57.23 | jnwhiteh | I appear to have just lost the 3.2.2 frameXML |
| 20:57.53 | Lopeppeppy | hmm. does not sound good |
| 20:58.03 | jnwhiteh | well |
| 20:58.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got kd3's diff around |
| 20:58.09 | jnwhiteh | just means it'll be tough to put a diff up |
| 20:58.16 | jnwhiteh | ScytheBlade1: that doesn't help my situation :P |
| 20:58.43 | jnwhiteh | anyone happen to have the 3.2.0 XML unpacked somewhere? |
| 20:58.47 | jnwhiteh | that they could zip it up for me? |
| 20:58.56 | foxlit | Aren't you hosting it? :) |
| 20:58.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, you said 3.2.2 |
| 20:59.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Not 3.2.0 |
| 20:59.01 | jnwhiteh | i just deleted it. |
| 20:59.02 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 20:59.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Classy |
| 20:59.18 | jnwhiteh | i rawk |
| 20:59.32 | jnwhiteh | i'd <3 if someone could send me a .zip of 3.2.0? :P |
| 20:59.40 | ScytheBlade1 | hmmm |
| 20:59.41 | ScytheBlade1 | sec |
| 20:59.50 | mikma | doesn't tek keep them in githun |
| 20:59.55 | jnwhiteh | 10192 isn't there. |
| 20:59.59 | jnwhiteh | i already looked. |
| 21:00.02 | Arrowmaster | http://github.com/tekkub/wow-ui-source/zipball/3.2.0 |
| 21:00.18 | jnwhiteh | hrm, thanks. |
| 21:00.20 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 21:00.28 | tekkub | you can get a zip of any commit :P |
| 21:00.32 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:00.34 | jnwhiteh | i didn't see the commits, tekkub |
| 21:00.48 | tekkub | I need to get 3.2.2 up there |
| 21:01.08 | mikma | foxlit: which does... what? |
| 21:01.17 | ScytheBlade1 | that's dirty |
| 21:01.20 | Arrowmaster | should start adding jnwhiteh's api diffs to the wow-ui-source repo |
| 21:01.30 | jnwhiteh | they're all on apidiff ;-) |
| 21:01.35 | jnwhiteh | and i can regenerate them anytime :P |
| 21:01.53 | Arrowmaster | the full files would be nice, not just diffs |
| 21:02.12 | mikma | wowcompares doesn't still work? |
| 21:02.30 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: What do you mean? |
| 21:02.30 | foxlit | mikma: Buffs the player with motw and thorns, surely :) |
| 21:02.34 | jnwhiteh | the api masters? |
| 21:02.38 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 21:02.48 | mikma | foxlit: how? |
| 21:02.51 | Arrowmaster | the files you create the diff from |
| 21:02.51 | jnwhiteh | they're 'available' |
| 21:02.55 | jnwhiteh | i just dont know if i want them in the git repo |
| 21:03.05 | jnwhiteh | hadn't though about it |
| 21:03.46 | foxlit | mikma: You click a button, the code runs. Magic :) |
| 21:04.18 | mikma | foxlit: but you are missing the button code! |
| 21:04.29 | foxlit | mikma: Moo? |
| 21:06.19 | mikma | hai! |
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| 21:12.41 | Thunder_Child | ~vs foxlit mikma |
| 21:12.42 | purl | in a one on one showdown, wait, whats this? Lopeppeppy has proceded to jump in the ring, thrash foxlit & mikma, and wins. |
| 21:12.58 | ScytheBlade1 | ... hahahaha |
| 21:13.06 | Thunder_Child | well....that was unexpected |
| 21:13.21 | foxlit | Now we'll never know the outcome, you spoilsport :) |
| 21:13.38 | Kraps | REMATCH! |
| 21:14.20 | jnwhiteh | p3lim: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser should be up to date now =) |
| 21:14.54 | jnwhiteh | this xml diff app sucks |
| 21:14.57 | jnwhiteh | but i'm glad it still works |
| 21:17.21 | Thunder_Child | ...seriously...i need to restart my computer because of MS office updates... |
| 21:22.22 | Kraps | i feel bad for blowing off my friend but my interest in watching the yankees is -3 |
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| 21:38.12 | p3lim | jnwhiteh: thanks |
| 21:40.07 | jnwhiteh | welcome |
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| 22:10.51 | kd3 | grrs |
| 22:11.01 | kd3 | 3 days in and we're still under a boil water advisory |
| 22:11.50 | Dagmar | Hey, at least they're admitting there's a problem |
| 22:12.11 | Dagmar | Around here I find out when I have to take sinks apart to get the debris out of the washers |
| 22:13.31 | Lopeppeppy | I just don't drink tap water. I lived in Woburn, where the events of the movie "A Civil Action" took place. I don't drink tap water. |
| 22:14.08 | alestane | kd3: Where are you at again? |
| 22:14.19 | kd3 | west of atlanta, paulding county |
| 22:14.23 | kd3 | http://paulding.gov/newsupdates/details.asp?id=543 |
| 22:14.36 | Lunessa | kd3: It ends eventually. It took a month for Galveston to say it was safe to drink the water. |
| 22:14.43 | Dagmar | Ah... so, too much water for the processing plants to clean in time then |
| 22:15.32 | Lopeppeppy | lurvs Lunessa! |
| 22:15.42 | kd3 | that and the "rivers" broke a few water mains |
| 22:15.46 | Lunessa | lurvs Lopeppeppy too. |
| 22:15.58 | foxlit | "water be âboiledâ prior " |
| 22:16.04 | foxlit | I wonder why they quote the word boiled. |
| 22:16.31 | Lopeppeppy | might have been a bad cut and paste, foxlit. That happens sometimes on my news site too. |
| 22:16.36 | Lunessa | because someone who wrote the advisory doesn't understand punctuation as well as they should. |
| 22:16.40 | kd3 | misguided use of punctuation |
| 22:17.45 | foxlit | It reads as if they're doing airquotes for not reason. |
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| 22:19.50 | kd3 | grr |
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| 22:20.23 | Lopeppeppy | ~staple kd3 |
| 22:20.24 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples kd3 quite well, and hands kd3 to lopeppeppy |
| 22:29.23 | kd3 | oh wow. samwise did a guest strip for penny arcade |
| 22:31.10 | ScytheBlade1 | He did? Where? |
| 22:31.47 | kd3 | http://www.penny-arcade.com/2009/9/23/penny-arcade-samwise/ |
| 22:32.18 | ScytheBlade1 | ah, news page |
| 22:42.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Just dual-boxed coren direbrew with two friends |
| 22:42.30 | ScytheBlade1 | 4 people in the party, 2 brewfest rams dropped |
| 22:42.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I didn't get one of them |
| 22:42.35 | ScytheBlade1 | :( |
| 22:43.48 | Lopeppeppy | Awww. |
| 22:44.49 | ScytheBlade1 | I bet that the next two that drop will be kodos, and the same will happen |
| 22:47.45 | mikma | wobwork: ping pong |
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| 23:12.30 | Lunessa | Ahhh... the problems caused by improperly escaping or failing to escape the & character. |
| 23:17.20 | Thunder_Child | escapes Lunessa's character |
| 23:17.33 | Lunessa | is now properly encoded. |
| 23:19.09 | Lopeppeppy | Is that contagious? |
| 23:20.16 | Lunessa | I hope so. |
| 23:22.30 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/195039628 |
| 23:22.33 | Adys | AHAHA |
| 23:31.10 | Corrodias | finally. poor guy. |
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