| 00:00.35 | WobWork | um |
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| 00:01.10 | WobWork | lets reduce it down to we have 5 ranges to fill, and a sorted list of tags to put them in |
| 00:02.00 | mikma | wobwork: did you see this? http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/sinfest/3279/20090921.gif |
| 00:02.01 | WobWork | so something that might end up like {1} {2,3}{4,5} {6,7}{8,9} |
| 00:02.47 | WobWork | mikma: of course, did you see that link I posted last night? |
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| 00:03.50 | mikma | wobwork: left 4 teletubgirls? |
| 00:04.10 | Lunessa | WobWork: So the problem is that you might have multiple tags with the same counts and you want to visually distinguish them only by font size in your display? |
| 00:04.35 | mikma | downloading America's Army 3, more fps! |
| 00:04.42 | mikma | wolfenstein was pretty awesome, until the last boss |
| 00:04.43 | WobWork | Lunessa: no, if they have the same counts, then they can have the same font weighting |
| 00:04.54 | mikma | which is the momeny i enabled god mode and just fucking owned his ass ^^ |
| 00:05.20 | WobWork | it's fairly much your straightforward tag font weighting by count, I just have to figure out how to group them =) |
| 00:07.27 | Lunessa | *nod* Bigger font = more counts? So why not do a little comparative math? biggest count of the array gets the biggest font-weight and go down from there to smallest? |
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| 00:08.29 | WobWork | aye |
| 00:08.51 | WobWork | Lunessa: cause I'll run out of fonts if the unique tag number is larger than 5 =) |
| 00:09.14 | mikma | wobwork: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myuceywaOUs |
| 00:09.33 | WobWork | mikma: Can't watch at work =( |
| 00:10.08 | mikma | boo |
| 00:10.39 | mikma | do it do it dooo iiiiiit |
| 00:12.07 | Lunessa | WobWork: It's work safe |
| 00:13.16 | Lopeppeppy | Wafer thing |
| 00:13.18 | Lopeppeppy | *thin |
| 00:14.02 | WobWork | it has sound? =) |
| 00:14.54 | Lopeppeppy | Probably. /comfort I can't listen to sound at work anymore either. Drives me batshit bonkers crazytoons |
| 00:15.52 | Lunessa | WobWork: it does. it's about the sounds rats make when tickled. |
| 00:16.03 | Lunessa | Evidence of laughter and enjoyment. |
| 00:16.36 | Lopeppeppy | Personification. |
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| 00:16.45 | Lopeppeppy | They make noise. How are we to know if they enjoy it, or hate it? |
| 00:16.57 | Lopeppeppy | Cats purr both to express the happy, and to express the grrrrr. |
| 00:17.33 | Lopeppeppy | "how am I to tell a wild furry tree sloth from a tame furry tree sloth?" "The tame ones are easier to catch." "Oh... that explains so much!" |
| 00:19.01 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: It might be personification, but the creatures seem to seek this sort of attention. Anyway, the video was short, painless and SFW |
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| 00:20.54 | Lopeppeppy | I wish we could all be doctor doolittle and know what the little furfiends are thinking. |
| 00:21.48 | alestane | wine takes a very long time to compile |
| 00:22.13 | Shirik | Need advise on a good, preferably minimalistic-ish, server distribution |
| 00:22.46 | Shirik | I will primarily run a Java servlet so I would like to dedicate a lot of time to the JVM |
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| 00:37.34 | Shirik | nobody? With all the linux users here? |
| 00:38.22 | A-KO | honestly :P haven't really done the minimalist thing, but if you're looking for speed, might want to look at something like gentoo |
| 00:38.28 | A-KO | where it compiles it for your hardware/software :P |
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| 00:38.48 | A-KO | and you get to configure compile options a bit more, as part of the standard app install |
| 00:39.00 | A-KO | uses lots more disk space generally though |
| 00:40.07 | mikma | http://www.riemurasia.net/rasiatube/view.php?id=23413 |
| 00:40.54 | WobWork | anyone know if Linq to SQL sanitises SQL text? |
| 00:41.41 | WobWork | oh it parameterizes stuff |
| 00:41.44 | WobWork | that's good |
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| 00:43.56 | Kraps | i dont get why people put an arbitrary number of "+" in ebay feedback |
| 00:44.09 | NeoTron | the more + the better clearly |
| 00:44.30 | Kraps | inorite |
| 00:44.35 | NeoTron | A+++++++++ for when A++++++++ is not sufficient |
| 00:44.56 | Kraps | hehe |
| 00:45.35 | Lunessa | http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/09/russian-billionaire-installs-anti-photo-shield-on-giant-yacht/ |
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| 00:45.38 | WobWork | Kraps: this is why I use http://thesurrealist.co.uk/feedback?who=seller&quality=on&speed=on&packing=on&maxlen=80&mood=positive&vocab=frivolous |
| 00:46.08 | WobWork | oh don't forget to tick 'rating' |
| 00:46.24 | Kraps | i cracked up at " Alluring packaging" |
| 00:46.45 | WobWork | "An ever so fine seller" |
| 00:46.54 | Kraps | Seller is sublime |
| 00:48.30 | Kraps | "Item was of prime quality. Enticing packaging. Ever so splendiferous delivery." |
| 00:48.56 | Kraps | yeah... no |
| 00:50.12 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XiMfpiUFX8 <- awesome shot |
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| 00:59.12 | WobWork | Run-of-the-mill quality. Delivery was very, very fast-ish. Fair packaging. Eh. D+ |
| 01:03.31 | Kraps | "Item horrid. Exceptionally nauseating delivery. Unnerving packaging. F-" |
| 01:07.51 | Dagmar | wh? |
| 01:08.53 | Kraps | i meed pirates day :( |
| 01:08.58 | Kraps | missed |
| 01:11.11 | Dagmar | You didn't miss muhc |
| 01:14.39 | WobWork | gankfest on BB bank |
| 01:14.42 | WobWork | that's about it |
| 01:14.46 | WobWork | the costume was cool |
| 01:15.09 | WobWork | and yay for synergy |
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| 01:15.13 | WobWork | now I have three monitors to span =P |
| 01:17.12 | Lunessa | "Zach, I'm not a violent person, but if you try to massage your misfortune into my back, I will smite you like an old testament God. " - lawl |
| 01:27.51 | alestane | So, I'm trying to install freetype because wine misses it oh-so-much. The installer says that I need aclocal 1.10.1 instead of aclocal 1.10. What's the best way to remedy this? |
| 01:29.34 | alestane | Since I'm on a Mac system and don't believe I have ready access to rpm. |
| 01:33.59 | Shirik | I already use gentoo A-KO :P |
| 01:34.09 | Shirik | I expected someone to turn me away from it |
| 01:34.55 | Dagmar | It's like a suicide attempt |
| 01:35.04 | Dagmar | You want to stop it, but you also want to see how it turns out |
| 01:35.13 | alestane | Ah, NVM. |
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| 01:35.18 | Dagmar | No wait, I've got that wrong somehow |
| 01:35.29 | Shirik | tbh I'm probably going to use Windows Server |
| 01:36.10 | Dagmar | I drive my ex-gf's psych prof *nuts* with comments like that |
| 01:36.13 | Dagmar | It's so much fun |
| 01:37.13 | Shirik | "I'm going to use windows server"? |
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| 01:39.56 | Shirik | Man |
| 01:39.59 | Shirik | I made way too much food |
| 01:46.02 | Dagmar | "It's like seeing someone attempting suicide--you want to stop it, but you also want to see how it turns out." |
| 01:46.08 | Dagmar | Better |
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| 01:53.27 | Lunessa | Like watching a train wreck - you desperately want to turn away but are compelled to stare in horrified fascination. |
| 01:54.28 | Lunessa | And after wading through AD for the last 4 hours, I need a beer. |
| 01:55.41 | bleeter | http://www.doitmyself.org/2009/08/tardis-cake.html |
| 01:56.34 | Dagmar | Does this mean it has more delicious icing on the inside than it does outside? |
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| 01:57.08 | alestane | So, wine runs, it ran the installer fine, but now when I try to run the installed program it spits out |
| 01:57.10 | alestane | fixme:ntdll:server_ioctl_file Unsupported ioctl 24000 (device=2 access=1 func=0 method=0) |
| 01:59.03 | Lothaer | hey guys whats new? |
| 01:59.37 | bleeter | blizz went 2 weeks w/o maint downtime! |
| 01:59.54 | bleeter | not.. new... precisely |
| 02:00.03 | bleeter | near unheard of ;) |
| 02:01.04 | Shirik | I wonder if WINE can run Visual Studio |
| 02:01.24 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 02:01.28 | WobWork | that is so awesome |
| 02:01.34 | WobWork | the tardis cake |
| 02:01.51 | NightHawkTheSan1 | that cake is awesome |
| 02:02.39 | Shirik | http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=11210 |
| 02:02.41 | Shirik | Rating: Garbage |
| 02:02.43 | Shirik | o.O |
| 02:04.45 | Dagmar | well, yeah |
| 02:06.03 | Dagmar | You'd almost think Microsoft didn't want you running that under WINE |
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| 02:09.00 | bleeter | WobWork, NightHawkTheSan1: the more I think of, or look at, that TARDIS cake, the more awesome it is |
| 02:09.29 | bleeter | 3.2.2 tonight? |
| 02:10.03 | Dagmar | Maybe |
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| 02:12.42 | NightHawkTheSan1 | hm. what do i want for dinner. |
| 02:13.12 | Lunessa | I want TARDIS cake now. |
| 02:14.02 | NightHawkTheSane | i want a TARDIS fridge |
| 02:14.23 | Dagmar | ...so you can store nearly infinite amounts of condiments and long-abandoned pizzas? |
| 02:14.46 | NightHawkTheSane | don't forget leftovers in disposable tupperware. |
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| 02:21.38 | alestane | Okay that sig pretty much wins the stupidtalk contest: "i use a slicey slicey. i dont use a bonk bonk. bonk bonks dont matter to me" |
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| 02:23.48 | Lunessa | alestane: it's from an NPC in-game. |
| 02:24.07 | Dagmar | Lemme guess... a wolvar |
| 02:24.39 | Lunessa | Actually, a troll. |
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| 02:33.22 | WobWork | stupid bigtongue |
| 02:36.50 | Kraps | theres a priest selling wine at brewfest |
| 02:37.04 | Kraps | BLASPHEMY |
| 02:39.12 | Dagmar | KILL HIM |
| 02:39.35 | jpmorgan | what if its barleywine? |
| 02:41.29 | jpmorgan | aka turbobeer |
| 02:43.12 | Shirik | turbobeer? |
| 02:44.01 | jpmorgan | its beer so strong we couldnt sell it in pitchers |
| 02:44.08 | jpmorgan | because people got confused |
| 02:44.30 | jpmorgan | it was pretty amusing |
| 02:45.18 | NightHawkTheSane | sage advice if there ever was any: http://imgur.com/RXL1e.jpg |
| 02:46.40 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.29 | Amarande | lol |
| 02:56.00 | alestane | Evony's adds continue to look more like porn invitations than anything else "You can play discreetly" over a picture of a woman lying down in a half-fastened bra. |
| 03:03.20 | Seerah | okay, I know absolutely nothing about javascript. But I wanted to have some changing/rotating text (quotes) on my new site I'm building and I found this code ( http://wowuidev.pastey.net/125561 ) to do it with. But nothing shows up where it should be. Am I missing something? Or is the code wrong? |
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| 03:03.59 | cogwheel | wouldn't those be the same thing? :P |
| 03:04.40 | Seerah | me missing something and the code being wrong? yeah, probably :p |
| 03:05.24 | cogwheel | :) |
| 03:05.36 | cogwheel | I assume you're calling rotateEvery yourself at some point? |
| 03:06.03 | Seerah | all I'm doing is putting it in a box for html/js on my page |
| 03:07.03 | cogwheel | well, you need to have a div or span with the id 'textrotator' wherever you want the quote to appear |
| 03:07.48 | Kraps | alestane: and thats... bad? |
| 03:07.59 | cogwheel | and you also need to call rotateEvery at some point. you could probably just add rotateEvery(5); immediately before the </script> |
| 03:08.14 | cogwheel | (or however many seconds you want) |
| 03:09.20 | alestane | Kraps: Solely as a visual, of course not. But it's a textbook case of bad advertising. The rough equivalent of posters that start with "SEX!!! ...now that I've got your attention, ..." |
| 03:10.29 | Kraps | alestane: you cant argue with results, the morality thing is a whole other discussion |
| 03:11.24 | Seerah | cogwheel: so I could put that in right before the js <script> tag? (the <div> tag) and would the rotateEvery be in addition to the setTimeout('rotateEvery('+sec+')', sec*1000) line (or should I replace +sec+ with the number of seconds?...) Like I said, I know nothing, and the site gave ZERO instructions. |
| 03:11.27 | alestane | It doesn't generally produce lasting interest, though. It may attract people to your site, but you can expect a lot of them to be disappointed. |
| 03:11.37 | Seerah | and HUGE praying mantis just came in through the open window |
| 03:11.59 | alestane | Seerah: It's not dangerous. |
| 03:12.06 | alestane | It may be freaky, but it's not dangerous. |
| 03:12.22 | cogwheel | Seerah: that setTimeout line is inside the function called rotateEvery, so you have to run rotateEvery once before it'll begin running itself |
| 03:12.24 | Seerah | I know. it's hiding behind the file cabinet and the dog's waiting for it |
| 03:12.32 | Seerah | gotcha |
| 03:12.35 | cogwheel | praying mantises are cool |
| 03:14.52 | Seerah | thanks, cog. :) it's working now :) |
| 03:14.55 | Seerah | huggles cogwheel |
| 03:15.08 | Torhal | http://www.birdwatchersdigest.com/site/backyardbirds/hummingbirds/mantis-hummer.aspx <-- Praying mantis kills hummingbird. |
| 03:15.25 | cogwheel | huggles Seerah |
| 03:15.59 | Seerah | whoa Torhal...... |
| 03:16.10 | Torhal | That's what I said. Minus "Torhal". |
| 03:18.03 | Seerah | dog's still looking for it. It wasn't really a HUGE mantis, just the biggest I've seen in a while. |
| 03:18.15 | Seerah | dog's gonna get an impaled nose.... |
| 03:18.27 | cogwheel | Torhal: revenge of the invertibrates imo |
| 03:19.00 | Torhal | cogwheel: Indeed, :) Hummingbirds are _damn_ fast, though...so... |
| 03:19.11 | alestane | Torhal: So's a mantis. |
| 03:19.15 | Torhal | Verily |
| 03:19.27 | industrial | Torhal: nice images |
| 03:19.36 | alestane | When they get something in their sights those claws fly out like you wouldn't believe. |
| 03:19.53 | cogwheel | My wife and her sister captured one as it feasted on a cricket |
| 03:26.13 | Seerah | dog: 1, mantis: 0 |
| 03:26.27 | Seerah | and he was rewarded with a peanut butter covered dog biscuit |
| 03:27.01 | Seerah | he's looking more more mantises (manti?) now. think he wants another treat |
| 03:28.24 | industrial | is suddenly happy with the swattable bugs in his house |
| 03:28.48 | industrial | the ones that can't really do anything back but fly around you anoyingly until they die a crushing death |
| 03:29.08 | Seerah | yeah, there's a tiny moth bugging me atm, too |
| 03:29.10 | industrial | (anything with more then 4 legs near me has to go away or face it...) |
| 03:29.20 | Seerah | we get ones with 100 legs |
| 03:29.25 | industrial | no :< |
| 03:29.34 | Seerah | I call them "creepy crawlies" |
| 03:29.55 | industrial | those eat mice and stuff right? |
| 03:30.04 | Dagmar | We call those centipedes. |
| 03:30.08 | Seerah | I don't know... But the spiders in the house eat them |
| 03:30.14 | Dagmar | Of course in the EU they're millipedes |
| 03:30.33 | industrial | where do you live Seerah ? |
| 03:30.34 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/193494560 |
| 03:30.50 | Seerah | they might not have 100 legs... cause iirc, they're not centipedes |
| 03:30.55 | Seerah | indie: Memphis |
| 03:31.38 | Dagmar | I think perhaps you missed the point there. |
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| 03:38.31 | Seerah | industrial | Dagmar: found it. apparently it's called a "house centipede": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scutigera_coleoptrata we also have these occasionally (but not as often) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverfish |
| 03:38.47 | Seerah | now I'm gonna have nightmares from looking at those bug pictures... |
| 03:38.49 | Seerah | shudders |
| 03:39.05 | tekkub | I |
| 03:39.07 | tekkub | HATE |
| 03:39.09 | tekkub | YOU |
| 03:39.16 | Seerah | why did you click?!?!?! |
| 03:39.27 | tekkub | why wouldn't I? |
| 03:39.35 | Seerah | I said what was in the link :p |
| 03:39.49 | tekkub | and? |
| 03:40.09 | Seerah | I thought cats were supposed to be the ones killed by curiousity?... what's the saying for bears? :p |
| 03:40.44 | Seerah | look. the bugs scared away shadowed and jelly :( |
| 03:41.57 | Shirik | hi Seerah |
| 03:42.11 | Seerah | tickles Shirik |
| 03:42.14 | Shirik | >< |
| 03:45.47 | industrial | Seerah: I have the silverfish too - just disposed of one. |
| 03:46.13 | Dagmar | Mmm... silverfish with lemon sauce |
| 03:46.23 | Amarande | Seerah, I suggest hanging out in the Field of Giants or in southern Un'Goro or Silithus for the rest of your evening in order to help your dreams :D |
| 03:47.30 | Amarande | also, as for bears, I'm sure it's "A bear a day keeps the aggro away" |
| 03:47.36 | Amarande | or is supposed to, anyway |
| 03:47.49 | Amarande | it's hard not to pull aggro off your pet when you've stacked agi too much and have 107 agi at level 22. :) |
| 03:48.02 | Codayus | House centipedes are really terrible. Harmless, but...ick. |
| 03:48.35 | Dagmar | I know this will sound like an alien concept, but you could always just wait a bit to start shooting. |
| 03:49.04 | Dagmar | The problem isn't going to go away. |
| 03:50.25 | Seerah | cogwheel: any reason you can think of why the sample quotes would still be shown after changing them to custom ones in the array? |
| 03:50.40 | cogwheel | browser cache |
| 03:51.11 | Amarande | Codayus: Unless they've been taken over by the Qiraji. You never know. :) |
| 03:51.20 | Codayus | Heh |
| 03:52.32 | Seerah | cogwheel: thanks. was refreshing it... didn't update in the website editor either. ah well. :) |
| 03:54.16 | Seerah | weird... it showed the new/custom entry in the array, but when coming back to it in the rotation, it was the old one again /sigh |
| 03:54.40 | cogwheel | try manually clearing the browser cache or exiting all browser windows |
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| 03:55.45 | Seerah | Just again. Hit f5, saw "second /quotation/ italicized" (was a test to see it change) the next random quote was the same entry in the array. but it said "second quotation" instead |
| 03:55.54 | Seerah | had restarted browser, too |
| 03:56.01 | Seerah | I'm going to chalk it up to it being stupid |
| 03:56.25 | Shirik | so |
| 03:56.28 | Shirik | someone came to my university today |
| 03:56.32 | Seerah | yeah? |
| 03:56.41 | Shirik | discussed this strange new technology developed where he works |
| 03:56.55 | Shirik | It allowed blind people to see through a device attached to their tongue |
| 03:57.08 | ccox | "taste the rainbow"? |
| 03:57.50 | industrial | I hate it when the browser (firefos) decides FOR me that the server knows better if I want to open or save a file by not allowing me to click the 'always do this' button. I need to find out how to make addons for firefox and make one to always click 'save as' |
| 03:57.51 | Shirik | Apparently the mind doesn't really care how image data gets to your brain, just that it gets there. Because the tongue has an extremely large number of nerve endings, it is able to be filled with tons of information. |
| 03:58.23 | Shirik | It's "low resolution" right now, but still it allowed blind people to play tic tac toe, etc. |
| 03:58.25 | WobWork | "Good morning dear, you taste delightful today!" |
| 03:58.39 | industrial | thats what she said |
| 03:58.40 | industrial | durrr |
| 04:00.05 | Kraps | tvtropes is win |
| 04:01.11 | Kraps | the names they have for different themes... "Omniscient Council Of Vagueness" |
| 04:02.35 | industrial | I read Terran versus Terran ropes there :p |
| 04:07.33 | Amarande | w00t. |
| 04:07.41 | Amarande | You receive loot: [Recipe: Savory Deviate Delight] |
| 04:07.49 | Amarande | there's something to be said for leveling alts :D |
| 04:10.59 | Dagmar | Bad news. THe recipe is just baout useless now. |
| 04:12.46 | Amarande | heh, it's still going for about 500g on this server |
| 04:12.53 | Amarande | but ... since I have a completist cook for a main, it's going to her |
| 04:13.02 | Dagmar | Suuure it is |
| 04:13.40 | Dagmar | Here's a hint about that... If you see something in the auction house listed for a given price, it's because rather explicitly no one's willing to pay that. |
| 04:15.36 | Amarande | Besides, I thought the main point of Savory Deviate Delight was for the novelty usage more than actual practical worth? |
| 04:16.29 | Dagmar | There's not really any novelty in it anymore. |
| 04:16.57 | Dagmar | Between the Halloween wands and Noggenfogger, it's no longer really much special |
| 04:17.00 | Amarande | It's like Noggenfogger. How many people used Noggenfogger for serious business? :) |
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| 04:17.13 | Amarande | Granted, IIRC, there might be an achievement or two that's made a good bit easier with noggenfogger, but that's about it. |
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| 04:17.54 | Dagmar | It was better when it transformed you into the opposing faction for awhile. |
| 04:18.16 | Dagmar | Now it's just an item with a very limited set of costume choices tied to it |
| 04:19.25 | Amarande | Good lord, 500g is apparently actually on the CHEAP side for savory deviate recipe |
| 04:19.38 | Amarande | I'm looking on Wowhead and as recently as 3.1.3, there's servers selling it for 1k and even 5k |
| 04:21.53 | Amarande | It could be the time of year. |
| 04:22.09 | Lothaer | sup guys |
| 04:22.09 | Amarande | I suspect SDD will be worth the least around and just after Halloween, and the most in the summer. |
| 04:23.15 | Dagmar | Go ahead and list it for 750g then |
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| 04:23.25 | Dagmar | Thses sites do not track what things are selling _for_ for beans |
| 04:23.39 | Dagmar | They track what goldfarmers (generally) are trying to gouge them for |
| 04:24.32 | Dagmar | I had it drop the first time while I was over there fishing up deviate fish |
| 04:25.44 | Amarande | Dagmar: Nah, I'll sell the cooked fish instead |
| 04:25.50 | Codayus | Amarande: There's usually one up on my server for 1800g or so. Sometimes too. If I ever see it drop below 1k, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. |
| 04:26.04 | Codayus | Hell, I might even do it if it dropped below 1200 or so. |
| 04:26.04 | Amarande | Like I said, I have a completist cook for a main, and I've just saved myself a load of money by switching to Gei ... er, to my hunter to do some leveling for a while. :) |
| 04:26.18 | Dagmar | ...and then you'd be listing it trying to make a profit, and that's how it gets to be 1800g |
| 04:26.42 | Codayus | What you need to realize is the deviate recipe is one of two hard to get recipes for acheivement completionists. |
| 04:26.56 | Dagmar | Easier to simply list it for 48 hours, then at 24 hours cancel the auction, relist it again |
| 04:27.10 | Dagmar | I wouldn't call it hard to get |
| 04:27.21 | Dagmar | Its' a rare drop, but everything in that zone is trivial to kill at 80. |
| 04:27.26 | Amarande | Yeah, it's pretty much mandatory right now for Horde non-rogues to get the 160 cooking recipe achievement. |
| 04:27.28 | Codayus | I am literally missing THREE cooking recipes in the game. The deviate recipe, the epic one from the AQ scepter chain, and the rogue one for thistle tea which non-rogues can't get. :-) |
| 04:27.36 | Dagmar | The biggest enemy is how long you can stand looting lowbie traash |
| 04:27.58 | Dagmar | Codayus: They took it away |
| 04:28.28 | Codayus | (And I've nearly got the AQ one, just need to get my goblin rep back up to neutral...) |
| 04:37.17 | Codayus | Oh god, incredibly disturbing: http://www.mytattoosucks.com/ |
| 04:42.57 | Amarande | okay, this is odd |
| 04:43.08 | Amarande | is wowhead bugged up, or did they do away with the stat differences between pet types altogether now? |
| 04:43.19 | Amarande | pets of all 3 classes are showing as +5% across the board |
| 04:43.28 | Dagmar | *sigh* |
| 04:43.32 | Dagmar | Yes. |
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| 04:43.48 | Dagmar | The differences in them are that they are now much more useful for what they're supposed to do |
| 04:43.53 | Dagmar | Ferocity pets are all about DPS |
| 04:43.56 | Amarande | Dagmar: when I left WoW, it was still 3.0.8 or so |
| 04:43.58 | Dagmar | Tenacity pets are all about tanking |
| 04:44.12 | Amarande | I missed the entire 3.1 patch, and I basically didn't touch my hunter at all throughout WotLK until recently |
| 04:44.16 | Dagmar | Cunning pets do whatever the hell it is that cunning pets do--which appears to mainly be running around behind MM hunters in PvP |
| 04:44.31 | Dagmar | Each pet has a unique ability, mostly |
| 04:44.50 | Dagmar | Exotic pets have a unique ability with one added extra effect |
| 04:45.08 | Dagmar | Amarande: Well, Tenacity pets can actually tank instances again |
| 04:45.18 | Amarande | Yeah, I remember reading about the unique abilities when WotLK was new |
| 04:45.38 | Dagmar | They kinda had to take thunderstomp and give it to all tenacity pets tho |
| 04:45.42 | Amarande | I remember trying out a spider for a little bit in the early days of WotLK, then shelved my hunter to focus on my warlock |
| 04:45.49 | Dagmar | No one was taking any pet other than their gorilladin anymore |
| 04:45.50 | Amarande | so what do gorillas get now? |
| 04:46.05 | Dagmar | They get a growl ability that heals them or somethign like that |
| 04:46.55 | Dagmar | So now they're still the best at out and out tanking, but at least it's not a choice of "Thunderstomp for the AoE damage" or "a tanking pet that you have to carefully aim at mobs" |
| 04:47.23 | Dagmar | Large chunks of who was 80 first was literally nothing but Beast Mastery hunters with a Gorilladin in tow |
| 04:47.53 | Adys | any IE user around? |
| 04:48.01 | Dagmar | With the way AP and Haste stacked, you could cause more raw destruction and get away with it than just about any frost specced mage |
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| 04:48.18 | Nechckn | could be, Adys need something checked? |
| 04:48.26 | Adys | Nechckn: http://db.mmo-champion.com/search/all/foo/ do the tabs work? |
| 04:48.48 | Adys | you may need to fullrefresh |
| 04:48.54 | Nechckn | looks like it, sure |
| 04:49.03 | Adys | cheers |
| 04:49.12 | Nechckn | clicking each brings up the info, so.. Yes. =) |
| 04:51.00 | Shirik | what kind of BS is this |
| 04:51.04 | Shirik | there are no games on Windows 2008 |
| 04:51.11 | Shirik | s/2008/Server 2008/ |
| 04:51.19 | Adys | linux has better support for games i hear |
| 04:51.32 | Shirik | Linux has crappy support for being a Windows build server |
| 04:54.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: you can install them if you please |
| 04:54.52 | Shirik | lol no |
| 04:56.08 | Shirik | I wonder if Windows Server comes with a VPN |
| 04:56.18 | Shirik | I should have played with this a long tiem ago |
| 04:57.48 | Amarande | weird, ARL is reporting most of the new holiday food in the cooking recipe list as "Requires <Holiday>" |
| 04:58.07 | Amarande | is DotD/PB going to begin a policy where you can no longer hold onto holiday food past the holiday for future use? |
| 04:58.22 | Adys | such as, Amarande ? |
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| 04:58.37 | Amarande | Adys: e.g., Bread of the Dead says "Requires Day of the Dead" |
| 04:58.41 | Adys | yes |
| 04:58.43 | Adys | so? |
| 04:58.49 | Shirik | here in hammerfall |
| 04:58.54 | Adys | thats not new cooking recipes |
| 04:58.57 | Thunder_Child | i think thats a good thing |
| 04:58.57 | Adys | thats specific to dotd |
| 04:59.05 | Amarande | Adys: apparently it's going to be a cooking recipe |
| 04:59.19 | Amarande | at least, ARL is showing it among the "recipes you don't know" for Cooking |
| 04:59.24 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/65454/bread-of-the-dead/ |
| 04:59.25 | Adys | hm |
| 04:59.44 | Amarande | no unusual mats, either |
| 04:59.53 | Adys | brb |
| 05:04.13 | Amarande | http://www.lunasanguine.com/images/WoWScrnShot_092209_005405.jpg <--- all Alvaerin needs now to complete cooking |
| 05:04.23 | Amarande | or to get as complete as cooking can get on a non-rogue, anyway |
| 05:05.23 | Amarande | heh |
| 05:05.31 | Amarande | looks like the bloodsail QQers will be happy with Pilgrim's Bounty :P |
| 05:08.02 | Shirik | hi Adys |
| 05:09.04 | Codayus | Amarande: Why? |
| 05:09.44 | Adys | hi Shirik |
| 05:10.54 | Amarande | Codayus: none of the PB recipes appear to require more than 225 cooking |
| 05:11.26 | Codayus | Amarande: You do know that any cooking training will teach you 225 cooking now? :-) |
| 05:11.28 | Amarande | the reason they whined about Winter Veil was because they didn't think ahead of time that they might actually need more than expert cooking at some point, then they whined at Blizzard for making the hot apple cider require 325 :P |
| 05:12.05 | Codayus | The cooking quest in gadgetstan just rewards a cooking recipe, not training now, and it quite optional. |
| 05:12.14 | Amarande | what do you get for it now? |
| 05:13.04 | Codayus | http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=6610 |
| 05:13.18 | Codayus | Clamlette Magnifique |
| 05:13.58 | Amarande | ah |
| 05:14.13 | Amarande | gonna have to make a trip out to Tanaris to pick that recipe up now I guess :) |
| 05:14.37 | Amarande | I'm trying to remember now how you get each of the recipes I'm missing |
| 05:14.41 | Codayus | (Besides, bloodsails who care about their rep should just grind it out; not that hard to get the goblins to stop hating you while keeping your pirate rep.) |
| 05:14.51 | Amarande | some of these are going to be an effing bitch to get, though |
| 05:14.56 | Codayus | ARL is usually food about telling you how to get it. |
| 05:15.02 | Amarande | (namely: alliance quest ones :|) |
| 05:15.04 | Codayus | er, good |
| 05:15.14 | Codayus | Heh |
| 05:15.31 | Amarande | heh, is there really any reasonable way to get those on a horde character |
| 05:15.46 | Amarande | or is this a "you know, you really should give Blizzard the $30 for a faction transfer" thing :) |
| 05:15.49 | Codayus | Hm, I got all horde recipes on my alliance character by AH camping. |
| 05:16.04 | Codayus | But if it's a BoP quest reward, that won't work, of course. (Assuming there are any?) |
| 05:17.15 | Amarande | only thistle tea, far as I know |
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| 05:17.33 | Amarande | the grinds for the chimaerok chops are going to be a bitch though |
| 05:17.35 | Amarande | hmm. |
| 05:17.52 | Amarande | if I can remember which faction I need to grind rep with, too |
| 05:17.53 | Codayus | Then...yeah. Check your AH, check the neutral AH, if you get really desperate roll an alt of the opposing faction, and check the enemy AH. :-) |
| 05:17.55 | Amarande | also, how you do it solo |
| 05:18.20 | Amarande | because I'm pretty sure that if it's Brood, you can get rep with that without having to go INTO AQ, since you needed rep with Brood to DO the quests to OPEN AQ in the first place ... |
| 05:18.35 | Codayus | Heh |
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| 05:19.03 | Codayus | Quick summary: You MUST do some very easy fedex quests in silithus, get a quest to kill broodlord lashlyer in BWL and return his head to silithus. |
| 05:19.10 | NightHawkTheSane | hope you like killing bugs. |
| 05:19.25 | Codayus | Then you can collect silithid fragments for about a BILLION YEARS. Yes, it's easy to solo. |
| 05:19.48 | Amarande | Night: I actually LIKE Silithus. |
| 05:19.49 | Codayus | Or you could do a quick AQ40 run, which will save you about a month of grinding. Your call. |
| 05:20.02 | Codayus | You won't when your done with the fragment grind. :-) |
| 05:20.03 | Amarande | I'm supposing the quest to kill Lashlayer is mandatory, in any case. |
| 05:20.13 | NightHawkTheSane | You might not several hundred thousand bugs lter. |
| 05:20.45 | Amarande | So basically it's like reparing Gadgetzan rep after Bloodsail, on crack. :) |
| 05:21.03 | Codayus | Really, just zerg AQ40. |
| 05:21.51 | Codayus | You can also farm the trash before the first boss. Depending on class you can do it solo. If you CAN solo it, it's a lot faster than fragments. |
| 05:22.12 | Codayus | If you can't solo it, find someone else who needs the rep, most servers have a few. :-) |
| 05:22.41 | Codayus | (Plus, the trash can drop the red mount crystal, which is an achievement if you loot it.) |
| 05:23.03 | NightHawkTheSane | They can drop all the mount crystals, there's usually people who are looking to get them |
| 05:23.24 | Codayus | Well, yes. But red is the rare one. :) |
| 05:23.40 | NightHawkTheSane | i suppose. i never really cared |
| 05:24.34 | Amarande | Ah, right, especially now that they stopped nerfing high levels' rep grinds :) |
| 05:27.10 | Codayus | It's 100 rep per trash mob in AQ40 through neutral. And there's 11 before the first boss. When I was farming it with 3 people I found we were averaging around 12 minutes to clear 11 mobs and reset. |
| 05:27.56 | Codayus | (Annoying, the first two bosses of BWL and the first boss of AQ40 all have mechanics that require multiple people, even at lvl 80. Most of the later bosses would be soloable by many classes...) |
| 05:28.45 | NightHawkTheSane | i like that, personally |
| 05:35.17 | Arrowmaster | only a few classes can solo the aq40 trash i think but yeah its possible |
| 05:35.20 | Arrowmaster | ive done it |
| 05:36.17 | Arrowmaster | Codayus: wait you were able to reset the instance and didnt wait 30 minutes for the trash to respawn? |
| 05:36.24 | Codayus | I know paladins can. I believe druids can, and probably DKs. Any tank class with significant healing, basically. :-) |
| 05:36.35 | Arrowmaster | Codayus: i did it as a warlock =D |
| 05:37.17 | Arrowmaster | probably the only non tank class that can do it |
| 05:37.48 | Codayus | Arrowmaster: In a group, it's easy. Just have one person leave the raid, and form a new one. He'll get a new instance ID. |
| 05:38.25 | Arrowmaster | i was in a raid with a friends offline alt |
| 05:39.09 | Codayus | You could probably do it with random alts hanging out in Dalaran. |
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| 05:39.33 | Codayus | But it didn't arise in my case. As a priest, I could no sooner solo AQ40 trash than I could solo Ulduar. :-) |
| 05:40.24 | Codayus | Arrowmaster: What would work better for someone who really is solo is pulling the first pack of four, killing three, and zoning out. |
| 05:40.30 | Codayus | They all respawn when they leash. |
| 05:40.47 | Codayus | You can farm pretty steadily that way, and don't have to worry about instance reset caps. |
| 05:41.23 | Arrowmaster | i did that a lot |
| 05:41.35 | Arrowmaster | since i also died a lot |
| 05:41.42 | Codayus | :-) |
| 05:41.53 | Arrowmaster | and if i got a rejuv mob it was impossible to kill |
| 05:43.18 | Arrowmaster | you wouldnt believe how much i was actually hoping for double spell reflect mobs even though i was a caster, so much easier to kill |
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| 05:43.46 | Codayus | Really? Hm |
| 05:43.57 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 05:44.20 | Arrowmaster | i just heal the felguard and dot things and he does all the work while i sit there and health funnel him |
| 05:44.29 | Arrowmaster | threat was complex though |
| 05:44.37 | Codayus | Ah, heh. |
| 05:44.58 | Codayus | I duoed it with a warrior as a priest, so similar experience I suspect. |
| 05:45.09 | Codayus | I just heal him and dot things, and he does all the work. :-) |
| 05:45.17 | Arrowmaster | i pulled many times without doing damage just because of the knockaway |
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| 06:32.14 | ccox | dear blizzard - you owe us tokens for these unwinnable quests due to your bugs |
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| 06:44.01 | Amarande | so it's patch day apparently ... |
| 06:44.02 | Amarande | hmm |
| 06:44.11 | Amarande | anyone know if there's anything in 3.2.2 that will break some addons that worked with 3.2.0? |
| 06:44.28 | bleeter | Amarande: citation? |
| 06:45.10 | nevcairiel | something in addons always breaks, because some addons are just badly coded =p |
| 06:45.38 | nevcairiel | anyhow, even mmo-c doesnt believe its patch day yet, so i don't think so =P |
| 06:45.38 | bleeter | Amarande: why you say patch? sounds.. surprising, two weeks w/o maint, then patch on maint? |
| 06:46.02 | Fisker | hey nevcairiel |
| 06:46.04 | Fisker | LETS GO BRD! |
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| 06:46.12 | Fisker | Ok sure i got mole machine |
| 06:46.21 | Fisker | *gathers at org puts up molemachine* |
| 06:46.48 | Fisker | Why haven't you taken the machine yet <player> |
| 06:46.52 | Fisker | "HURRDURR I NEED QUEST! |
| 06:46.52 | nevcairiel | i don't get it, whats so funny? |
| 06:47.25 | bleeter | FISKER WAIT I DUN HAVE QUEST CANT PICK IT UP WAIT WAIT WAIT |
| 06:47.34 | Fisker | he's a fucking retard and and let us wait for half a billion years? |
| 06:49.04 | Dagmar | Haha |
| 06:49.10 | Dagmar | I'm going to try and get that this year |
| 06:49.28 | Dagmar | It's not like it takes more than eight minutes to run there mounted anyway |
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| 06:49.40 | nevcairiel | its still a nice gimmick |
| 06:49.59 | Shirik | can someone go to jira.shiibot.com and tell me what they think of the responsiveness? |
| 06:50.05 | nevcairiel | horde has a bit longer to travel, though. they can't just fly the short route from IF |
| 06:50.16 | Shirik | I did some really strange networking fu and want to see if it seems ok |
| 06:50.22 | Dagmar | I'm talking about boots on ground in the zone until in the Grim Guzzler |
| 06:50.43 | Dagmar | At 80, you can blow through the place at full tilt |
| 06:50.43 | nevcairiel | ah. |
| 06:50.53 | nevcairiel | well then consider the walk *to* the instance =P |
| 06:51.05 | Dagmar | Last year I heard about the L70etc thing happening at 8pm and logged in a bit late planning on seeing it |
| 06:51.16 | nevcairiel | your "mounted" didnt make sense for "in the instance" though =p |
| 06:51.30 | Dagmar | It takes a bit of time off crossing the zone |
| 06:51.40 | Arrowmaster | http://www.gossipgamers.com/monkey-island-2-in-cryengine-mod/ |
| 06:51.43 | Arrowmaster | what |
| 06:51.44 | Arrowmaster | the |
| 06:51.44 | Dagmar | Once you're inside you can jump right into the lava and bounce your way to the ledge, no problem |
| 06:51.45 | Arrowmaster | fuck |
| 06:52.16 | Dagmar | The Ring Of Law poses no serious threat at 70, let alone 80. |
| 06:52.21 | nevcairiel | i believe that during the event there even are mole-machines from the entrance to the grim guzzler |
| 06:52.28 | nevcairiel | without the remote |
| 06:52.30 | Dagmar | At 80 you're yelling at the dwarf to hurry it up and send out the next boss |
| 06:52.51 | Dagmar | Yeah so once you're at the door _now_ if you're capable of any kind of soloing you can drop those three dwarves and just port in |
| 06:53.12 | Dagmar | Pig was telling me Coren's been beefed up a bit |
| 06:53.31 | Dagmar | I'm hoping they didn't nerf the beer mechanic. :) |
| 06:53.44 | Dagmar | That was _hilarious_ |
| 06:53.55 | nevcairiel | he wasn't *that* easy last year, with the beer-keg and all, you couldn't two-man him =p |
| 06:54.04 | Fisker | gives Shirik tongue |
| 06:54.30 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: the beer has been toned down from what i could tell of the 4 kills i did |
| 06:54.35 | Dagmar | Shucks |
| 06:54.45 | Arrowmaster | i think i only got it once or twice |
| 06:54.50 | Dagmar | I thought it was hilarious that those beermaidens made it like a binging party |
| 06:55.01 | Dagmar | They throw you a beer and you MUST drink |
| 06:55.47 | Dagmar | You must not only be able to beat Coren and his crew, but also out-drink them. |
| 06:56.36 | Dagmar | Seemed like last year every time you failed at that, the next beer stunned you |
| 06:57.56 | Arrowmaster | yeah i think you got stuned if you had a bear in your inventory and got another thrown at you |
| 06:58.09 | Arrowmaster | although maybe i just kept getting stuned and didnt notice it, i was kinda out of it |
| 06:58.11 | Codayus | Dagmar: The mechanics are the same, I think. |
| 06:58.27 | Dagmar | Codayus: Cool |
| 06:58.32 | Shirik | Ok, I know for a fact there are people that went to that page |
| 06:58.37 | Shirik | but nobody told me how responsive it was :( |
| 06:58.43 | Codayus | I think he's technically two-mannable, but after wasting two summons trying, I gave up. Didn't have the DPS to avoid the beer keg on the tank. :-/ |
| 06:59.04 | Dagmar | I tried several times to solo him last year |
| 06:59.12 | Dagmar | I got pretty bloody close |
| 06:59.19 | Codayus | A friend said he got him to 8% solo this year. :-) |
| 06:59.32 | Dagmar | If I respecced for aggressive pet tanking I might be able to pull it off this year |
| 06:59.57 | Dagmar | ...but frankly, I find it more hilarious to do in a group |
| 07:00.25 | Dagmar | No one ever seemed to _remember_ about the beer until about halfway through. :) |
| 07:00.46 | Dagmar | So... lots of opportunities for someone to stop a wipe. :) |
| 07:00.53 | Codayus | If you are trying to underman him, fill your inventory by splitting stacks of food or arrows or whatever - stops the stun. |
| 07:01.04 | Codayus | Although in 5 man groups I never noticed the beer mug stun. |
| 07:01.05 | Dagmar | I just hotkey the beer |
| 07:01.12 | Dagmar | They give it to me, I drink it. |
| 07:01.21 | Dagmar | I use my own beermaidens to get more beer. |
| 07:01.25 | Dagmar | :) |
| 07:01.40 | Dagmar | My dwarf can _hang_ with the drinking. |
| 07:01.58 | Dagmar | You will never beat his booze per seconds |
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| 07:13.13 | Amarande | hmm |
| 07:13.20 | Amarande | now to remember if there's anything I still need from BRD |
| 07:13.30 | Amarande | hm |
| 07:13.41 | Amarande | is there a site anywhere that lists all the "rare and nifty point of interest" things from each instance? |
| 07:13.54 | Amarande | like mainly recipes/BoE's/etc. |
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| 07:14.38 | Amarande | actually, yeah, come to think of it I do need to learn to smelt dark iron still, I think |
| 07:14.42 | Codayus | *shrug* Wowhead? And no, not really. |
| 07:15.11 | Codayus | Might be an interesting thing to make; there's quite a lot of random goodies scattered here and there. |
| 07:15.33 | Codayus | Like the item that lets you summon eyes of kilrog from statholme. |
| 07:15.58 | Amarande | guh 10 truesilver and 20 gold bars |
| 07:16.02 | Amarande | gonna have to hit the AH later ... |
| 07:16.35 | Adys | what's a good spot to jump from to get the 65yd achievement? |
| 07:16.38 | Adys | (note: im on a level 5) |
| 07:17.48 | Codayus | If you go to the IF graveyard (the one RIGHT outside the gate), and jump down the the next lowest hill top you see, then if you jump from there down into the valley you'll get the achievement. Plus if you miss, you're right next to the brewfest alcohol vendors. (Sorry, can't give a better description than that.) |
| 07:18.03 | Codayus | Or beg a port to shatrath, the scriers tier is great for it. |
| 07:18.09 | Adys | tried that one |
| 07:18.17 | Adys | although hm |
| 07:18.20 | Adys | I think i see |
| 07:18.22 | Amarande | Adys: sadly I managed that one with a flying mount, so I can't help :( |
| 07:18.32 | Amarande | (basically, I got to just the right height in shattrath and dismounted) |
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| 07:19.10 | Amarande | FWIW though, if I remember, on a flying mount you just get to the scryers elevator, elevate yourself so you're about halfway up the triangly shaped rocks that are above that elevator, and let go |
| 07:19.48 | Amarande | hmm |
| 07:19.59 | Amarande | is there anything special you have to do to make the dark iron stuff at the anvil besides just being there? |
| 07:20.06 | Amarande | or do you have to do something like unlocking smelting it? |
| 07:20.07 | mikma | you can also fall down from the bridge in shattrath straight |
| 07:20.27 | mikma | i can make you a video! |
| 07:20.43 | Adys | Codayus: hm couldnt get it on that spot |
| 07:20.51 | Adys | ill go to shatt |
| 07:20.57 | Adys | hearth in dal ftw |
| 07:21.26 | Codayus | Adys: *shrug* Took me two tries, but I had it explained to me in person. "So I should jump here, yeah?" "No, a hair to the left." |
| 07:21.49 | Adys | i saw a couple of skeletons that helped guide me. |
| 07:22.12 | Codayus | Amarande: Um... Unless it's changed in the past twenty levels and two xpacs...you have to talk to the right NPC in the weird ghost dwarf boss fight BEFORE fighting them to learn it, then just hang out at the forge near the MC portal, yes. |
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| 07:22.43 | jpmorgan | yah and he needs alot of junk (gold n whatnot) |
| 07:22.51 | jpmorgan | or did |
| 07:24.20 | haste | ~wowalert |
| 07:24.23 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 07:29.18 | Adys | there we go |
| 07:29.21 | Adys | got it from shatt |
| 07:31.04 | jpmorgan | after doing all the quests it doesnt seem theres many ways to collect beer tokens |
| 07:31.10 | bleeter | http://www.pntonline.com/news/tucumcari-17846-year-chief.html |
| 07:31.24 | Adys | jpmorgan: you can get like 50-65 per day |
| 07:31.30 | Codayus | There are two dailies and one 12 hour repeatable. |
| 07:31.39 | Adys | oh yeah its 12hrs now |
| 07:31.45 | Adys | its like 100 a day now |
| 07:31.53 | jpmorgan | barking for one of the two vendors, and the keg run. which am i missing? |
| 07:32.11 | Codayus | Dailies are 10 and 15, I think. The repeatable one is....I dunno, maybe 20-30. |
| 07:32.25 | Codayus | jpmorgan: The half-hourly dark iron attacks. Leaves a gear on the ground. |
| 07:32.31 | jpmorgan | i went and killed whats his name but none after the first kill it seems |
| 07:32.34 | Adys | managed 32 earlier on |
| 07:32.35 | Codayus | The gear gives a daily quest to talk to an NPC there. |
| 07:32.47 | Adys | what? |
| 07:32.55 | Adys | oh |
| 07:32.55 | jpmorgan | ok so just hang out and kill darkiron dorfs basically? that i can do |
| 07:32.56 | Adys | nm |
| 07:33.17 | Codayus | jpmorgan: Or just wander through and grab the quest; the gear hangs around for a few minutes. :-) |
| 07:33.22 | jpmorgan | long strange trip is mine soon :) |
| 07:33.26 | Arrowmaster | well you have to defend the camp, so if you are just there when its crowded youll get it |
| 07:33.40 | Arrowmaster | if you do it in the middle of the night the kegs might get destroyed |
| 07:33.46 | Arrowmaster | and no daily |
| 07:33.46 | Amarande | I'm also assuming Brewfest in no way affects the soloability of BRD in general at 80? |
| 07:33.53 | jpmorgan | yah the invasion mechanics are a little wierd.. not sure im doing much in the way of actually killing them |
| 07:33.54 | Adys | it doesnt Amarande |
| 07:33.57 | Codayus | Amarande: Not at all |
| 07:34.09 | Adys | jpmorgan: you have to throw beer on them |
| 07:34.15 | jpmorgan | cant solo the brewfest w a decently geared tank, tried |
| 07:34.16 | Amarande | I'm apparently going to need some dark iron bars so I can make the dark iron rifles. |
| 07:34.34 | Amarande | which, yeah, aren't the best in the world, but it'd be nice to make some anyway, since we have a lot of up and coming hunters in the guild |
| 07:34.34 | jpmorgan | thx for infoz |
| 07:34.37 | Amarande | and it's not bad for the level. :) |
| 07:34.48 | Codayus | For the invasion, they dark irons have to be stopped by SOMEONE throwing beer at them, so yes, prime time is good. You can't solo defend against the invasion, I don't think. But you don't have to be there; last time I ported from Dalaran, ran out there, gear was already on the ground. |
| 07:35.02 | Adys | you need to kill at least 250 |
| 07:35.05 | jpmorgan | meh i'd let em shoot w a green til they lvel up |
| 07:35.18 | Adys | so no its not soloable at all |
| 07:35.23 | Amarande | yeah, I've gotten some achievements before just by being in the right place at the right time |
| 07:35.42 | Amarande | which usually involves a WTF moment and me feeling rather bad for the poor sods who had to do it the hard way |
| 07:35.48 | Arrowmaster | i held out for a very fucking long ass time last year soloing it but never drove them off |
| 07:35.51 | Adys | wish they had an ach like "kill 20 dwarves in a single attack" or something |
| 07:36.23 | Arrowmaster | originally the invasion was gave tokens based on how many dwarfs you killed per attack |
| 07:36.30 | jpmorgan | i think there should be an ach for gold capping |
| 07:36.35 | Adys | oh thats neat |
| 07:36.39 | Adys | jpmorgan: gold cap isa bug |
| 07:36.44 | Arrowmaster | i got a fuck ton of tokens before they disabled it but everybody else was bitching that they werent getting any |
| 07:36.46 | Amarande | say, do all the Dark Iron recipes also drop in BRD? |
| 07:36.48 | Arrowmaster | i kinda macroed it |
| 07:36.51 | Adys | so an ach for bugging the game out is.. eh |
| 07:36.52 | Codayus | It still makes a nice target though. |
| 07:37.02 | jpmorgan | really? huh.did seem kind of an odd @ |
| 07:37.04 | jpmorgan | er # |
| 07:37.17 | Adys | 2**31 |
| 07:37.19 | Adys | -1 |
| 07:37.20 | Codayus | And I'm not sure I'd say bug. More of a design flaw. :-) |
| 07:37.25 | jpmorgan | good # to shoot for anyway |
| 07:37.29 | Kalroth | 2^31 = 2147483648 |
| 07:37.29 | Arrowmaster | lua> 2^31-1 |
| 07:37.29 | Adys | yeah it is a bug Codayus |
| 07:37.29 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 2147483647 |
| 07:37.50 | Arrowmaster | atleast it doesnt overflow |
| 07:37.52 | Adys | the first ppl who reached goldcap lost gold |
| 07:37.57 | jpmorgan | lol u'd think they could spare a few more bytes |
| 07:38.07 | Adys | eh |
| 07:38.17 | Codayus | Adys: *shrug* Semantics. I've lost items due to limited inventory space, and THAT'S not a bug. :-) |
| 07:38.22 | jpmorgan | how do they lose gold? |
| 07:38.35 | Codayus | jpmorgan: Quest rewards, for example. |
| 07:38.38 | Adys | no |
| 07:38.56 | Codayus | jpmorgan: How close are you? |
| 07:38.56 | Amarande | Codayus: that's odd |
| 07:38.58 | Adys | lost gold as in, every copper you gained past goldcap would give you one copper less or something |
| 07:39.09 | Adys | so if you were at 214k and gained 1k gold, you'd be down to 213 |
| 07:39.11 | jpmorgan | prob have about 100k scattered around |
| 07:39.13 | Amarande | when I have quests that give me an item reward, it usually won't let me turn in the quest at all if my inventory is full |
| 07:39.18 | Arrowmaster | 01111111 + 1 = 10000000 but that first bit is for identifing if the number is positive or negative |
| 07:39.40 | Amarande | it'll say "quest failed: inventory is full" or something like that |
| 07:39.51 | Adys | also |
| 07:39.58 | Adys | 214k gold was a very reasonable cap |
| 07:39.59 | Adys | at one time |
| 07:40.06 | jpmorgan | phew, i thought it might rollover to 0 like an oldschool video game |
| 07:40.14 | Arrowmaster | i thought it did |
| 07:40.29 | Codayus | Amarande: Crossed communications. I've lost items while melting herbs or greens. And you could lose gold by gaining gold via, for example, a quest reward while gold capped. I didn't mean I'd lost an item via quest rewards. :-) |
| 07:40.37 | Adys | months before bc i had like 10k gold or so and that was a sick number |
| 07:41.01 | Adys | Codayus: you misunderstand |
| 07:41.04 | Arrowmaster | and that ive personally found item bugs in public mmo betas in recent years that did that and caused extremely large amounts of items to be lost |
| 07:41.08 | jpmorgan | check out the greedygoblin blog if getting gold capped is of interest |
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| 07:41.17 | Arrowmaster | a lot of people just fucking suck at coding |
| 07:41.19 | Adys | first players who were goldcapped didn't just "waste gold by gaining more at cap" |
| 07:41.43 | Adys | every coin they gained would decrease their amount of gold |
| 07:41.51 | Adys | also that was fixed quickly enough |
| 07:42.07 | Codayus | Adys: ...right. I never said otherwise. |
| 07:42.23 | Adys | i was just saying |
| 07:42.27 | Adys | its not just a cap |
| 07:42.28 | Codayus | :) |
| 07:42.30 | Adys | its a bug |
| 07:42.40 | Codayus | It *IS* just a cap now. As you say, that bug was fixed. :-D |
| 07:42.41 | Arrowmaster | its a cap now |
| 07:42.45 | Adys | now it is |
| 07:43.09 | Adys | its also a very retarded cap |
| 07:43.32 | Arrowmaster | lua> 2^63-1 |
| 07:43.32 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 9.2233720368548e+18 |
| 07:43.34 | Adys | now you can make 100k gold easily |
| 07:43.42 | Arrowmaster | upping it would make it perty fucking high |
| 07:44.16 | Codayus | *shrug* Between alts and guild banks, it's really not that crippling a limit. |
| 07:44.26 | Adys | thats why its retarded |
| 07:44.31 | Codayus | You don't ever NEED to carry around 200k in liquid wealth. |
| 07:44.35 | Adys | i didnt say it was an annoying cap |
| 07:44.37 | jpmorgan | yah i can clear several k a day now and i havent even ramped up all my money making opportunities |
| 07:44.39 | Adys | i said it was a retarded cap |
| 07:44.39 | Arrowmaster | does the same cap apply to guild banks? |
| 07:44.45 | Adys | no |
| 07:44.55 | Adys | guild banks are capped at **63 prolly |
| 07:45.00 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/2009_09_22_-_10_42_05.avi |
| 07:45.01 | mikma | hehe :) |
| 07:45.05 | Codayus | What would be retarded would be wasting development time on such a trivially minor issue (assuming Bliz even thinks it "should" be raised or removed.) |
| 07:45.13 | Adys | wow |
| 07:45.24 | Adys | are you calling changing an int to a long development time? |
| 07:45.24 | Amarande | Adys: It could have been worse. |
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| 07:45.34 | Arrowmaster | theres not really much development time to spend on it, just change the size of the variable |
| 07:45.44 | Amarande | It could have made your first copper above the gold cap make you go 214,748 gold in the hole, and not let you gain any more money till you got enough to pay that off :) |
| 07:45.46 | Arrowmaster | but it would increase memory and database usage a lot |
| 07:45.58 | Adys | stacks used to be capped too |
| 07:46.03 | Adys | to 1 byte |
| 07:46.12 | Adys | hence the whole 250 stacks for ammos etc |
| 07:46.21 | Adys | that was fixed kinda recently.. like 2-3 patches ago |
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| 07:46.30 | Amarande | actually, seriously though |
| 07:46.31 | Adys | whenever it is they rolled out new currency caps |
| 07:46.31 | Arrowmaster | that was changed in 3.0 |
| 07:46.39 | Adys | ah yeah doh |
| 07:46.41 | Adys | currency bag |
| 07:46.42 | Amarande | I have no idea why the gold cap is not 429,496g 72s 95c |
| 07:46.46 | Amarande | like, basically |
| 07:46.52 | Codayus | *shrug* It'd need to be QAed, reviewed, blah blah blah. And there's a lot of yeah, network, db, memory considerations. And honestly, what's the point? Is it even in the top 100 list of "annoying things Bliz really should change someday"? |
| 07:46.54 | Amarande | WHY in the world does it need to be a SIGNED int? |
| 07:46.59 | Amarande | it's not like you can have a negative amount of money |
| 07:46.59 | Adys | because |
| 07:47.08 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: because it makes things easy |
| 07:47.12 | Adys | there are other reasons it could be signed |
| 07:47.20 | Adys | its not just about the amount being negative |
| 07:47.40 | Adys | you can use negative amounts to simulate a situation |
| 07:47.56 | Amarande | well, yeah, that's actually pretty common |
| 07:47.58 | Adys | one trick they use like everywhere are negative/positive ids |
| 07:48.10 | Amarande | like -1 to denote a function error in a function that's expected to return a positive number |
| 07:48.13 | Arrowmaster | instead of having to make sure that you add or subtract in the correct places you just add everywhere and make sure the values are negative in the database when you want to subtract |
| 07:48.18 | Adys | no Amarande |
| 07:48.32 | Adys | eg they use it for differenciating npcs and objects |
| 07:48.41 | Adys | objects have negative ids, npcs positive |
| 07:48.53 | Adys | well not ids, just the lookups |
| 07:49.14 | jpmorgan | this tooltip wealth addon is crazy |
| 07:49.18 | jpmorgan | lets u see how much gold people have |
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| 07:49.30 | Codayus | Incidentally, I don't think the guild bank gold cap is known, but several people have reported having over 500k, so it's clearly not the same as for individual characters. |
| 07:49.30 | Arrowmaster | no it doesnt |
| 07:49.40 | jpmorgan | well its pretending to, which is fun |
| 07:49.46 | Adys | Codayus: thats what i said earlier on |
| 07:49.51 | Arrowmaster | it just lets you know how much gold they have had |
| 07:49.54 | Codayus | *nod* |
| 07:50.27 | Arrowmaster | the guild bank cap is likely 2^63-1 since 33bit signed ints dont really exist |
| 07:51.10 | Amarande | hm, wonder if I'll make Chef de Cuisine before Pilgrim's Bounty |
| 07:51.17 | Amarande | I know I most definitely will then |
| 07:51.29 | Amarande | since I'm at 158/160 achievement credit (and 156 *real* recipes since the achievement's bugged :P) |
| 07:51.49 | jpmorgan | gotta pop for a couple Xfaction recipes |
| 07:52.04 | jpmorgan | which are quest rewards i think. so seversal hundred gold each |
| 07:52.23 | Amarande | yeah, that's all I have left now |
| 07:52.26 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if any of those recipes will need 450 cooking |
| 07:52.28 | Amarande | other than the AQ chain one |
| 07:52.28 | jpmorgan | too bad the hat doesnt do much except look really cool |
| 07:52.32 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: nope. |
| 07:52.41 | Amarande | If you have ARL and scan cooking, it already says what they'll need |
| 07:52.42 | Amarande | most need 45 |
| 07:52.45 | Adys | it lets you fucking COOK FASTER |
| 07:52.46 | Arrowmaster | jpmorgan: just get somebody to make a DK on your realm and you can get all the cross faction ones |
| 07:52.48 | Adys | if thats not awesome |
| 07:52.50 | Adys | i need one irl |
| 07:52.57 | Adys | 5 second sandiwches |
| 07:53.08 | jpmorgan | yah they have since lifted the Xfaction ban on my pvp server |
| 07:53.15 | jpmorgan | we're going crazy w that |
| 07:53.29 | Codayus | Actually, most alliance quest reward recipes are sold on a vendor in stormwind, for some reason. |
| 07:53.31 | Arrowmaster | im guessing you still can not purchase your own items at the auction house though |
| 07:53.38 | Codayus | So double check what your missing; they might be easy to get. |
| 07:53.43 | jpmorgan | i guess thats cool, altho honestly, u dont cook a whole bunch after u max it out |
| 07:53.47 | Amarande | the problem isn't so much making an alliance character |
| 07:53.56 | jpmorgan | nope u still need a pal to move stuff |
| 07:54.01 | Amarande | it's figuring out how to get the shit over FROM your alliance character, without having to spend $30 of real life money on a faction transfer |
| 07:54.01 | jpmorgan | but a free 55 on the other team is handy |
| 07:54.26 | Amarande | yeah, I don't cook nearly enough |
| 07:54.43 | Amarande | I should probably start cooking food care packages for my alts to give them the stamina/spirit buffs on the way up |
| 07:54.44 | jpmorgan | i whip up a stack of fish feasts now and then |
| 07:55.00 | Amarande | not to mention it makes a little USE of these recipes I've been paying through the nose for |
| 07:55.42 | Amarande | now I have to figure out how many of my friends on alliance side on this server actually still play wow I guess |
| 07:56.38 | jpmorgan | any friend will do, does it matter which side when u can easily make a DK on the other side? |
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| 07:57.47 | Amarande | heh, that's right |
| 07:57.52 | Amarande | turalyon is a pve server after all |
| 07:57.58 | Amarande | (thank the Light) |
| 07:58.09 | jpmorgan | they lifted the banon pvp servers |
| 07:58.26 | jpmorgan | now i can kill everyone lol |
| 07:59.08 | Amarande | heh, speaking of alliance cooking recipes, there's a slight glitch in one of them :) |
| 07:59.35 | Amarande | the one for the moongraze stag tenderloin, even if you do it as another race, the guy talks about whether you're "draenei enough" :) |
| 08:00.07 | Arrowmaster | not really a glitch |
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| 08:04.22 | jpmorgan | stupid dk question. when if ever do i want to use bloodstrike ov heart strike |
| 08:04.34 | tem | basically never |
| 08:04.36 | Codayus | When your not specced blood. |
| 08:04.43 | Codayus | ...or if your worried the cleave might break CC. |
| 08:04.52 | tem | there are a few cases where you need to avoid the cleave |
| 08:04.55 | tem | AND |
| 08:04.56 | Codayus | Note: If there's CC to break, please double check your playing Wrath. :-) |
| 08:05.05 | tem | Faction Champions |
| 08:05.12 | jpmorgan | cool thats what i thought |
| 08:05.14 | tem | there's lots of CC to break there |
| 08:05.16 | tem | Also |
| 08:05.26 | tem | Things that have aoe damage reductions |
| 08:05.36 | tem | HS counts as an aoe even on its primary target |
| 08:05.48 | Codayus | Really? Hm, good to know. |
| 08:05.54 | tem | so like the Trash before Hodir and the entire Faction Champs fight, it's better to use BS |
| 08:05.57 | jpmorgan | deathstrike vs obliterate? |
| 08:06.07 | tem | always DS over obliterate as a blood dk |
| 08:06.37 | jpmorgan | v cool thx again for info |
| 08:07.22 | ReAn | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1214729/James-May-size-Lego-house-wants.html |
| 08:07.36 | jpmorgan | blood or unholy for upper end pve dps |
| 08:07.45 | tem | precense? |
| 08:07.50 | tem | I think there's some debate there |
| 08:07.53 | jpmorgan | spec |
| 08:07.57 | tem | oh |
| 08:08.10 | tem | I think blood is supposed to be the strongest atm |
| 08:08.18 | tem | but all three specs are viable |
| 08:08.24 | tem | I'd play the one you enjoy most |
| 08:09.01 | Corrodias | wow @ ReAn, they have some weird laws up there |
| 08:09.30 | Codayus | You'll have more fun and perform better as a spec you know and enjoy than one you don't like and are just specced because a spreadsheet says it's 2% better. :-p |
| 08:09.50 | Corrodias | Lego has banned him from giving away the bricks, even though Lego donated them |
| 08:09.53 | Corrodias | wow. |
| 08:10.04 | jpmorgan | i lvld blood and im up to about 3k i will try unholy spec soon |
| 08:10.29 | mikma | unholy for pvp ^^ |
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| 08:55.24 | industrial | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOF84dRZ5-E&NR=1 |
| 08:55.31 | industrial | seems I need to step up my game :----O |
| 08:57.53 | mikma | yes indeed |
| 08:57.57 | mikma | whatever you mean by that |
| 08:58.51 | Fisker | btw lol |
| 08:58.53 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=10920963602&sid=1 |
| 08:59.05 | Fisker | goldspammer ads are a violation of copyright |
| 08:59.08 | Fisker | it's so simple! |
| 08:59.48 | industrial | mikma: .. and become a pro SC player duh :p |
| 09:01.37 | industrial | Fisker: arent they busy with laws that make stuff you make online (eg your char) your own possession? I heard it from a friend I'd love a link to read myself ;P |
| 09:02.01 | industrial | that would mean you could legally sell your shit :p |
| 09:02.40 | Fisker | idk |
| 09:02.55 | industrial | you could even set prices based on achievements :> |
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| 09:04.13 | Amarande | one thing I simply love about death knights |
| 09:04.22 | Amarande | innocently walking by enemy mob ... *YOINK* |
| 09:04.37 | Amarande | Mob thinking they have advantage on top of a hill? *YOINK* |
| 09:04.38 | industrial | hehe |
| 09:05.25 | industrial | I don't like the NPC AI cause it follows you so directly. Eg if a cat druid charges he cant backstab - I think that's lame |
| 09:05.56 | industrial | I could do that with a marauder tho in warhammer online :p |
| 09:06.02 | industrial | only played it for a little while though |
| 09:10.08 | mikma | fisker: i still wonder does corpse explosion work on the goldsite corpses |
| 09:10.59 | Fisker | as far as i've been told they do |
| 09:11.26 | Fisker | come on my rogue need a new pair of shoes |
| 09:12.41 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oprDatksQFU |
| 09:16.41 | tem | mikma, the goldsite corpses? |
| 09:16.43 | tem | OH LOL |
| 09:17.00 | tem | my alt spec is getting that talent right now |
| 09:19.40 | jpmorgan | goldsite corpses? |
| 09:19.42 | mikma | tem: that's what i'm thinking, too :) |
| 09:20.13 | mikma | jpmorgan: corpses forming a text in your chars capital |
| 09:20.22 | mikma | usually a goldselling site url |
| 09:20.31 | jpmorgan | oh yah we get that too |
| 09:20.36 | jpmorgan | great idea |
| 09:20.53 | mikma | so, spec your dk as 130 rp with corpse explosion |
| 09:21.06 | mikma | beat up dummy until you are 130/130, go and explode corpses ^^ |
| 09:21.15 | jpmorgan | its worth a dual spec im in too |
| 09:21.31 | mikma | oh, glyphing CE will prolly explode more corpses, too |
| 09:21.43 | jpmorgan | my dk is a scribe :) |
| 09:22.00 | mikma | just need to think a good blood/unholy build |
| 09:22.03 | jpmorgan | maybe if u delete one letter u can send people to the wrong url lol |
| 09:22.35 | jpmorgan | change .com into .cc |
| 09:22.55 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jcEGVh0Icb0bssxhxZ0gh0z:ioGcMV |
| 09:22.59 | mikma | blood tanking -spec ^^ |
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| 09:24.44 | mikma | too bad there aren't any corpses in orgrimmar now |
| 09:27.54 | Fisker | my rogue has 38 expertise :( |
| 09:37.33 | jpmorgan | night all. cu tomorrow |
| 09:40.36 | bleeter | hehe well my realm just collapsed... went 1 hour under 2 weeks without maint |
| 09:40.39 | bleeter | poor thing :( |
| 09:40.47 | bleeter | can't even logout |
| 09:41.07 | bleeter | can whisper other players, /g gets 'not in guild' errors tho :( |
| 09:41.22 | bleeter | Instance Creation Issue Update |
| 09:41.25 | bleeter | oops |
| 09:41.27 | bleeter | wrong paste |
| 09:41.39 | bleeter | [19:41:11] [1] Not on channel %s. |
| 09:41.45 | bleeter | ^^ nice error msg |
| 09:42.55 | mikma | your macro fails |
| 09:44.23 | bleeter | what? |
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| 09:48.20 | Fisker | takes a piss on bleeter |
| 09:49.41 | Amarande | yay, 11 minutes till no more WoW |
| 09:49.42 | Amarande | DAMMIT |
| 09:49.56 | Amarande | I was almost done with getting this DK out of her starting area too :| |
| 09:49.59 | Grum | beats being interrupted while doing the barrel runs ;( |
| 09:50.26 | Amarande | after which I can go get those recipes, and then see about having a guildie on horde side buy them |
| 09:50.46 | Amarande | hmm, is it allowed to use emote signals to tell them when the stuff's on the Gadgetzan AH or is that considered 'improper cross-faction communication' |
| 09:51.05 | Grum | that is allowed if you just dont see whatever they really say :) |
| 09:51.07 | bleeter | Fisker: luckily, I'm in the future.. so nothing lands on me and you get covered in splashback |
| 09:51.23 | Grum | you can actually make an addon that communicates 2way |
| 09:51.34 | Grum | without much trouble |
| 09:52.29 | Grum | mmm maybe i should make it for fun :P |
| 09:52.52 | Fisker | oh yeah? |
| 09:52.55 | Amarande | Grum: I think such addons aren't allowed :) |
| 09:52.59 | Fisker | But i'm from the future of your future |
| 09:53.05 | Grum | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:53.28 | Amarande | hm. |
| 09:53.37 | Amarande | also, what's the chance someone will swipe my stuff in the middle of this operation? |
| 09:53.42 | Grum | 100% |
| 09:54.06 | bleeter | Fisker: I'd have expected a better comeback than that from you |
| 09:54.08 | bleeter | failtrain |
| 09:54.27 | Grum | when i do cross server trading i usually get both parties on ventrilo/ts orso |
| 09:54.35 | Grum | and just say what category the item will end up in |
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| 09:55.03 | Grum | so they can refresh+buyout |
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| 09:55.41 | Dagmar | Undocumented changes to drunknness! |
| 09:56.03 | Arrowmaster | what? |
| 09:56.21 | Dagmar | You never threw up before just from drinking yourself silly |
| 09:56.36 | Dagmar | ...and flight while plastered is hilarious |
| 09:56.40 | Arrowmaster | what are you drinking? |
| 09:56.51 | Dagmar | You just sort of fly all over the place unless you hold that mousebutton down |
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| 09:56.55 | Arrowmaster | if you are using the stein its always been that way |
| 09:57.01 | Arrowmaster | and flight has always been that way |
| 09:57.08 | Wobin | rarr |
| 09:57.12 | Wobin | why aren't names showing up? |
| 09:57.19 | Dagmar | It never did anything but zigzag to the left and right before for me |
| 09:57.32 | Arrowmaster | trust me its always gone up and down |
| 09:57.33 | Dagmar | .,..and this vomiting was from the pony keg |
| 09:58.03 | Arrowmaster | ok that is a change, never had vomiting before from the pony keg |
| 09:58.25 | Dagmar | Yeah the only time I've really seen that before was with the ogre brew at below level 70 or 80 or whatever it was |
| 09:58.38 | Arrowmaster | but if you try to drink from the stein after filling it at the ogres you will always throw up if you arent above lvl 50 or so |
| 09:58.38 | Dagmar | That and certain brews of the month |
| 09:58.47 | Dagmar | Yeah I know |
| 09:59.56 | Arrowmaster | so speaking of brew of the month, can you still purchase brew from the vendor? |
| 10:00.29 | Dagmar | I don't see why i wouldn't be able to |
| 10:00.40 | Arrowmaster | i lost my membership 3 months ago |
| 10:00.53 | Dagmar | I've been still buying 6-packs |
| 10:01.10 | Dagmar | I don't know how you could lose it early |
| 10:01.23 | Dagmar | I was slightly suprised to see it come full circle tho |
| 10:01.24 | Arrowmaster | gms sent me this months and the month befores but wouldnt give me the month before that |
| 10:01.39 | Arrowmaster | since i didnt really login that month |
| 10:01.44 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 10:02.03 | Dagmar | I thought they changed the achievement on that to simply having the membership because of the people whining |
| 10:02.20 | Grum | yes but that makes sense |
| 10:02.27 | Arrowmaster | i didnt check again but im guessing they didnt do anything about me not being able to purchase from the vendor and so i also wont be getting next months |
| 10:02.33 | Grum | else you can only get your welfare 310 mont in 2010! |
| 10:02.36 | Grum | *mount |
| 10:02.53 | Arrowmaster | i would have logged in if i knew i still needed it for the 310 mount |
| 10:03.06 | Dagmar | Grum: 1. I could care less about the mount |
| 10:03.14 | Arrowmaster | which i got the first day of brewfest and havent logged back on since |
| 10:03.22 | Dagmar | and 2... Spoil some more grapes. Everyone is impressed by that. |
| 10:03.32 | Grum | haha |
| 10:03.36 | Dagmar | Oh... looks like it wasn't changed |
| 10:03.41 | Grum | i dont care for people getting a 310 mount :) |
| 10:03.45 | Grum | let them, they put in the time/effort |
| 10:03.46 | Lukian | welfare 310 mount? |
| 10:03.46 | Dagmar | Well, I'm definitely getting the title tomorrow then |
| 10:03.58 | Grum | its sortof welfare yes :) |
| 10:04.07 | Lukian | <- not playing atm |
| 10:04.19 | Amarande | meh, it's not like getting a 310 mount even needs EFFORT these days |
| 10:04.20 | Dagmar | Luikian: Yes, a term used by people who think anyone who didn't do the exact same stupid thing to get the ultra fast flying mount as them is being simply handed it |
| 10:04.31 | Arrowmaster | im getting my fawn it seems either from the turkey thing next week or when i get my gruntly |
| 10:04.37 | Amarande | given how stupidly easy Kael'thas is, why not make it easier to get the holiday achievements mount :) |
| 10:04.43 | Grum | Amarande: oh it doesnt? |
| 10:04.50 | Lukian | I know what welfare means.. but I'm wondering how this mount is obtained :p |
| 10:04.53 | Amarande | Grum: no, you just have to be stupidly lucky on Kael'thas |
| 10:05.00 | Grum | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:05.03 | Dagmar | By doing almost all the achiements of all the holidays |
| 10:05.21 | Grum | that is a 1% drop orso and you need some people to do it, you cant solo it |
| 10:05.22 | Arrowmaster | im only missing some stupid ones |
| 10:05.32 | Grum | peddlefleet? |
| 10:05.33 | Amarande | and yeah, they really ought to make it just be the membership, anyhow :) |
| 10:05.33 | Grum | masks? ;) |
| 10:05.37 | Arrowmaster | masks |
| 10:05.42 | Grum | same on masks |
| 10:05.42 | Arrowmaster | i had peddlefeet years ago |
| 10:05.45 | Grum | i just got 6 orso :( |
| 10:05.46 | Amarande | do ANY of the other holiday achievements require you to do something over the course of the -entire year-? |
| 10:05.54 | Amarande | like ... I'm pretty sure that's a no |
| 10:05.59 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: yes |
| 10:06.00 | Dagmar | No but they all _collectively_ do |
| 10:06.11 | Grum | Amarande: no achievment needed for that meta has that atm |
| 10:06.15 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: don't be pedantic and say the meta. :) |
| 10:06.38 | Arrowmaster | brew of the year was part of the meta for a while |
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| 10:06.52 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sarYH0z948 |
| 10:06.55 | mikma | YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA |
| 10:07.05 | Amarande | Dagmar: the point is, -every single other holiday achievement- can (and indeed must) be attained wholly within its event timeframe |
| 10:07.07 | Grum | hahahaha |
| 10:07.09 | Grum | mikma: epic =) |
| 10:07.25 | Amarande | the brew of the month achievement totally falls outside the basic framework and ideas that surround the design of the holiday achievements in general. |
| 10:07.38 | Dagmar | Do you see what I'm holding here? |
| 10:07.50 | Dagmar | It's a ti-i-i-iny little mechanical violin. |
| 10:07.56 | Grum | your dick? |
| 10:08.04 | Grum | oh :( |
| 10:08.06 | Dagmar | If you listen very carefully, you can hear it playing such a sad little tune. |
| 10:09.59 | Dagmar | They did nerf it out after all |
| 10:10.32 | Amarande | Yeah, I'm noticing the token requirement is a lot easier than I expected |
| 10:10.35 | Fisker | slaps Grum around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:10.47 | Amarande | and yet, kinda hard |
| 10:10.53 | Dagmar | They definitely made the ram race easier to run perfectly |
| 10:11.00 | Grum | you just need 350 tokens |
| 10:11.05 | Dagmar | It's practically a freakin' straight line back and forth now |
| 10:11.07 | Grum | Dagmar: not with lag :( |
| 10:11.24 | Grum | how often the apple baskets do not respond is just fucking annoying :( |
| 10:11.26 | A-KO | I probably won't have enough tokens |
| 10:11.27 | Dagmar | Like you really need to steer or wait |
| 10:11.31 | A-KO | I bought the pink elekk pet |
| 10:11.36 | Dagmar | I didn't have it miss a basket even once earlier |
| 10:11.46 | Grum | i had it miss 2 times |
| 10:11.58 | Dagmar | Ran past 'em every which way and even jumped over them a few times (within certain limits) |
| 10:11.58 | Grum | and especially the first one after you get the cask is a pain |
| 10:12.24 | Grum | as you have ~85 ram-debuff-thingie at that time |
| 10:12.35 | Dagmar | You skipped an apple bucket then |
| 10:12.41 | Amarande | Looks like they did the Brewfest achievements better this year, way better |
| 10:12.45 | Dagmar | There's two between you and the supply. Use them both every time |
| 10:12.51 | Grum | Dagmar: you are talking about the perfect route |
| 10:12.54 | Amarande | I can actually only see one place where people might QQ, although I'm not sure if they really could have done anything about it. |
| 10:13.05 | Grum | the perfect route is skipping basket 3 on the way over |
| 10:13.09 | Arrowmaster | grum are you alliance or horde? |
| 10:13.09 | Dagmar | Would you want to stop in the middle and buy sandwiches or something? |
| 10:13.12 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd5clMjlo5A |
| 10:13.13 | Grum | alliance |
| 10:13.14 | mikma | good stuff :D |
| 10:13.20 | Dagmar | No they've moved the location of the apple barrels on the Alliance side |
| 10:13.27 | Dagmar | They're both on the left side of the road |
| 10:13.28 | Grum | yes they did |
| 10:13.29 | Arrowmaster | i can do the horde one using only 2 baskets |
| 10:13.33 | Dagmar | The one by the cottage i no more |
| 10:13.37 | Grum | i do alliance only using 2 |
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| 10:13.46 | Grum | actually using 3 per round |
| 10:13.47 | Arrowmaster | basket 1 and 3, 1 being at the starting point |
| 10:14.00 | Amarande | The only thing I can see people possibly being able to QQ about is people who cannot play during popular hours, or who are on servers with virtually no population in their faction |
| 10:14.12 | Amarande | because I'm not sure if such people have a reasonable chance to defend against the Dark Irons for that achievement |
| 10:14.22 | Dagmar | Seems like it takes two people at each keg to guarantee a win against the dark iron dwarves |
| 10:14.35 | Grum | well alliances: [1] [handoff point] [2] [3] [barrel get point] [4] |
| 10:14.50 | Grum | and i run: 2->barrel->3->2 and again |
| 10:15.11 | Dagmar | There's no real need to skip 3 anymore |
| 10:15.15 | Amarande | That particular event may need nerfing, if that happens with too many servers. |
| 10:15.23 | Grum | there is Dagmar |
| 10:15.31 | Arrowmaster | last year i regularly did the horde one so fast the barrel was still flying behind me when i got to the turnin and i even did that when i did the single quest to get 3 barrels this year |
| 10:15.37 | Amarande | It does seem a little out of place in terms of people required, given that, for instance, the Halloween fire extinguishing bit could be done with like 3 folks if that |
| 10:15.37 | Grum | you have 80 stacks when you get to bucket 3 after getting the barrel |
| 10:15.47 | theorbtwo | Ideally, it should scale with the population of the server/faction. |
| 10:15.51 | Grum | but if blizzard fucks up and forgets to give you the buff .. you are fucked |
| 10:15.52 | Dagmar | Yeah I don't even look to see if he throws it anymore because I'm pretty sure when it triggers |
| 10:15.57 | Dagmar | It takes awhile to catch you |
| 10:16.05 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: you only need like 10 people and it should be impossible to fail unless they suck |
| 10:16.05 | Grum | i catch it usually just before [2] on the way back |
| 10:16.18 | Dagmar | Ooo |
| 10:16.20 | Dagmar | Imagine thta |
| 10:16.25 | Dagmar | Random players sucking. |
| 10:16.41 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: yeah, like I said, I mostly wonder about the chances of people who, for instance, work second shift every day or are on like ... the 'wrong' faction on one-sided PvP servers |
| 10:16.57 | Amarande | (apparently, I've heard a lot of the especially low pop PvP servers tend to be really concentrated in one faction and there's hardly anyone on the other) |
| 10:17.07 | Arrowmaster | last year i was doing it at like 3am when almost nobody was one |
| 10:17.15 | Grum | Dagmar: if you run towards the barrel thrower there is a tiny [========] [XX] [========] fence/flame/fence structure there next to the road |
| 10:17.19 | Amarande | Of course, on the other hand, Blizzard might not want to take such measures, since encouraging people to transfer server or faction makes money for them |
| 10:17.19 | Arrowmaster | was completing the event with like 5 people |
| 10:17.32 | Grum | you get the barrel when you just get past the flame thingie there |
| 10:17.51 | Grum | so running to halfway the second fence thingie you can just turn around and you should get it :) |
| 10:18.22 | Amarande | hmm |
| 10:18.22 | theorbtwo | Bliz actually do free server transfers to try to even out factions, but possibly they don't do that on PvP servers. |
| 10:18.38 | Amarande | I wonder if 3.2.2 is going to remove buyback for token-purchased items |
| 10:18.46 | Grum | why? |
| 10:18.55 | Amarande | Grum: lots of exploiting for Brewfest |
| 10:18.56 | Grum | you cant 'really' abuse it |
| 10:19.07 | Grum | why? i think its nice |
| 10:19.10 | Amarande | instead of 550 like you're supposed to get, people have found you can get the achievements with 350 |
| 10:19.12 | Grum | i dont want the clothes |
| 10:19.28 | Amarande | by buying the clothes, getting the achievement, selling back the clothes & buying the brew of the month with the sellback tokens |
| 10:19.34 | Arrowmaster | you can earn the 550 in just a few days |
| 10:19.41 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 10:19.42 | Amarande | isn't sure if this was what was really intended :) |
| 10:19.50 | Dagmar | This is how I bought everything last year |
| 10:19.58 | Amarande | Arrow: do you need to be any good at the ram racing, or be lucky enough to participate in a successful dark iron defense? |
| 10:20.08 | Arrowmaster | people have been exploiting the buyback for the epic achievement |
| 10:20.09 | Dagmar | You don't exactly have to be lucky |
| 10:20.16 | Grum | how can you fail at dark iron defense? O.o |
| 10:20.21 | Grum | sure you cant solo it |
| 10:20.24 | Grum | you need 5-6 people helping |
| 10:20.28 | Arrowmaster | i almost did many times |
| 10:20.30 | Amarande | Grum: the main issue is whether there's enough people around when you try to do it |
| 10:20.37 | Dagmar | Grum: When there's simply not enough people who have figured out to stand near a keg and not in the middle where you get punted all over |
| 10:20.40 | Arrowmaster | you need like 5 fucking people |
| 10:20.49 | Arrowmaster | just dont try to do it 30 minutes before the dailies reset |
| 10:20.56 | Grum | yeah hehe |
| 10:21.05 | Grum | also lame, people claim the dailies are on 18 hours reset |
| 10:21.13 | Grum | i've had 2 cycles of 18 hours now .. and one of 12 O.o |
| 10:21.14 | Grum | kinda fucked |
| 10:21.32 | Amarande | actually, dammit, I could have gotten 560 just by going to Direbrew every day |
| 10:21.34 | Arrowmaster | it was 12 last year |
| 10:21.34 | Grum | well not the dailies, the ramriding |
| 10:21.37 | Arrowmaster | i had it timed |
| 10:21.47 | Amarande | but now there's only 12 days left, so I'll have to do something else on top of it :S |
| 10:21.51 | Grum | direbew doesnt drop tokens |
| 10:22.01 | Grum | the dailies give 2 per day |
| 10:22.05 | Grum | 25 even |
| 10:22.40 | Dagmar | Don't these reset twice daily? |
| 10:22.47 | Grum | no |
| 10:22.49 | Arrowmaster | only the ram racing |
| 10:22.52 | Grum | those are 'real' dailies |
| 10:22.59 | Grum | and you get 40 for direbrew the first time |
| 10:23.00 | Dagmar | That's the one that nets you the most tokens |
| 10:23.03 | Grum | but after that nothing |
| 10:23.07 | Grum | yes |
| 10:23.19 | Grum | if you dont get fucked up you do ~20 runs orso each time |
| 10:23.24 | Arrowmaster | how many tokens per barrel is it now? |
| 10:23.28 | Grum | 2 |
| 10:23.50 | Amarande | so basically, the achievements revolve almost entirely around that damned ram racing? |
| 10:23.56 | Grum | well ... |
| 10:24.09 | Arrowmaster | you need tokens so you do everything that gives tokens |
| 10:24.09 | Grum | i think you can get ~420 tokens orso with dailies+quests |
| 10:24.33 | Amarande | which means you pretty much either l2ramrace or you use the 350 tokens exploit |
| 10:24.44 | Grum | 350 tokens is not an exploit |
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| 10:25.16 | Arrowmaster | or you l2notbeanewbiescrub and have everything from when brewfest was first added 3 years ago |
| 10:25.26 | Arrowmaster | i have all 4 hats from that first year |
| 10:25.37 | Arrowmaster | i have fucking everything |
| 10:25.40 | Dagmar | Obviously they didn't track the elekk |
| 10:25.46 | Amarande | Arrow: because we were supposed to know what the achievements would require before the achievement system was present? :) |
| 10:26.07 | Grum | i need 500 tokens to get all i want from it |
| 10:26.07 | Grum | and the achievements ofc |
| 10:26.07 | Amarande | besides, my main didn't even exist for brewfest 07 |
| 10:26.10 | Dagmar | You were supposed to do it because it was funny |
| 10:26.10 | Dagmar | Not because of 10 magic monkey points |
| 10:26.11 | Arrowmaster | actually we all knew what was needed last year |
| 10:26.28 | Dagmar | They just didn't track it properly or I'd already have the title |
| 10:26.29 | Grum | well... not everyone looked into the achievements this hard |
| 10:26.42 | Amarande | yeah, not everyone extensively PTR'd 3.0.2 |
| 10:26.47 | Amarande | some of us were busy looking for a regular kara group instead |
| 10:26.51 | Dagmar | Those people shouldn't complain about it then |
| 10:26.57 | Dagmar | Clearly, they didn't care enough to bother |
| 10:27.05 | Arrowmaster | actually most of us in this channel probably had beta keys |
| 10:27.12 | Arrowmaster | me and fisker had 3 each |
| 10:27.24 | Amarande | bah, I applied for a beta key and never got one :P |
| 10:27.41 | Grum | i got 2 |
| 10:27.42 | Grum | never used one |
| 10:28.02 | Grum | well that is lies, i used one 2 days before end of beta to sort my addons |
| 10:28.06 | Arrowmaster | i never used one of mine, gave one to a friend, used one and almost never logged on |
| 10:28.15 | Amarande | apparently, they made sure the Sunwellers got their beta keys first and those of us who were doing 5 mans and kara didn't matter as much :| |
| 10:28.44 | Arrowmaster | no my sunwell guild was pissed i wouldnt give out my last beta key |
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| 10:28.48 | Arrowmaster | everybody wanted it |
| 10:29.01 | Amarande | lemme guess - because they -knew- that sunwell gear would basically blaze you through to 80 with very little need for upgrades, therefore, full T6 guild members made the best beta testers? :) |
| 10:30.00 | A-KO | actually, some elite members of some of those top guilds were alpha testers for wotlk :P |
| 10:30.00 | Amarande | Arrow: wow, usually I hear Blizzard gives priority to recognized top raid guild members |
| 10:30.00 | Arrowmaster | yes like 3 guilds |
| 10:30.12 | A-KO | 3.2.2 today btw |
| 10:31.43 | Amarande | Arrow: heh, glad I don't play on Mal'Ganis then |
| 10:32.13 | Amarande | I wouldn't be surprised if come every approaching expansion a lot of folks leave the more casual guilds in droves and try to get into EJ so they can have affils so they can greedily get at the new content early :P |
| 10:32.38 | A-KO | I can't wait until the guild stuff with cataclysm goes in |
| 10:32.44 | A-KO | it should hopefully drive people to join more established guilds |
| 10:32.47 | Arrowmaster | those guilds dont accept recruits |
| 10:32.48 | A-KO | rather than create their own |
| 10:33.17 | Amarande | A-KO: you want to see smaller, more casual guilds collapse and people not be able to even 5-man without getting businesslike and applying to each server/faction's Big Wig Guild? :| |
| 10:33.31 | Amarande | has there been any word yet on exactly what higher guild rank will get you? |
| 10:33.36 | A-KO | I would love to see smaller, "casual" guilds collapse. Because they're not casual. |
| 10:33.47 | Arrowmaster | it gets you guild talents |
| 10:33.47 | A-KO | Amarande: mass resurrection, cheaper repairs, etc. |
| 10:33.55 | Amarande | like ... will people stop even being able to have a CHANCE at the top ilvl gear in Cat without having the right affils or something? |
| 10:34.03 | A-KO | there will also be guild-bound items |
| 10:34.09 | A-KO | and when you leave the guild you lose 'em |
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| 10:34.28 | Amarande | Great, so basically in WoW 4.0 there will be two types of players |
| 10:34.46 | Amarande | players who take the game totally serious business and can thus get in a guild that doesn't collapse in five minutes due to attrition to higher rank guilds |
| 10:34.53 | A-KO | there's no such thing as a "casual" guild, the only thing that exists are good guilds, and guilds formed by players who want to whore all the loot and guild bank $ for themselves :P |
| 10:35.02 | Amarande | and players whose characters' careers basically end when they ding 85 because they won't be able to do anything at all? |
| 10:35.09 | Dagmar | A-KO++ |
| 10:35.25 | Dagmar | Oh there's something for them to do |
| 10:35.34 | Amarande | A-KO: the friendly guilds that aren't into hardcore endgame raiding? |
| 10:35.37 | Dagmar | They can post pointless diatribes on the forums like they do now |
| 10:35.45 | Amarande | those are the ones that are going to die out in Cat then |
| 10:35.57 | Arrowmaster | if the guild doesnt raid then why do they need mass res? |
| 10:35.58 | Dagmar | Doubt it |
| 10:36.09 | A-KO | Amarande: do you really think they're "friendly" or even aren't into hardcore raiding? You've got another thing coming. Many guilds recruit with statements like "oh we're casual, we're friendly, we'll help each other raid soon!" |
| 10:36.13 | A-KO | and then they get into Ulduar or TOC |
| 10:36.17 | A-KO | and they start becoming "hardcore" |
| 10:36.21 | A-KO | because you NEED to |
| 10:36.27 | Amarande | anyone who's any good will eventually get disgusted at how little they can do in the small friendly guild and gquit so they can get the perks? |
| 10:36.33 | Dagmar | Or they slack along like my people and run it with another guild |
| 10:36.43 | Fisker | what perks? |
| 10:36.51 | Amarande | Basically, the problem I'm worrying about is that with this guild rank BS |
| 10:36.57 | A-KO | there is no problem with it |
| 10:37.01 | A-KO | if you want to start a guild, sure |
| 10:37.06 | A-KO | but you won't be on par with more established groups |
| 10:37.11 | Amarande | unless I am willing to change my JOB LIFE in order to make it into the likes of Fusion and such |
| 10:37.13 | A-KO | and that's great |
| 10:37.30 | Fisker | the top 20 players in a guild will contribute to the guildrank |
| 10:37.31 | Amarande | I may see the game become pretty much ... totally meh at 85. |
| 10:37.35 | A-KO | Amarande: you do know that nothing in this game, assuming you have solid raiders, takes more than a few hours to clear, right? |
| 10:37.39 | Fisker | if you have less than that your guild is barely equipped for raiding |
| 10:37.45 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: its already totally meh at 80 |
| 10:37.50 | Adys | anyone knows of a good video encoding tool? |
| 10:38.02 | Amarande | A-KO: not everyone is in a guild that has solid raiders, though |
| 10:38.09 | A-KO | Amarande: that's not the game's problem |
| 10:38.12 | Arrowmaster | then why do you care? |
| 10:38.16 | Amarande | some of us are in a guild because our *friends* are in that guild |
| 10:38.25 | Amarande | and really, isn't community what the main point of a guild is? |
| 10:38.31 | Dagmar | That's mainly why I'm in mine |
| 10:38.33 | Arrowmaster | and why do you care? |
| 10:38.37 | A-KO | Amarande: I have friends IRL, I don't need to make friends in-game, I play the game to pimp out my character, and if I make friends along the way that's awesome |
| 10:38.45 | Arrowmaster | the guild rank stuff is just little perks for raiding guilds |
| 10:38.53 | Arrowmaster | like mass res or guild summon |
| 10:39.02 | Amarande | Arrow: what I'm seeing at 80, is a huge upsurge in the ability to PUG things, including raids, without having to full-time commit one's entire life around the membership requirements of a raiding guild |
| 10:39.03 | Dagmar | Now if we can just keep them from acting like jerks to everyone else about it |
| 10:39.06 | Dagmar | Hah |
| 10:39.13 | Fisker | naw Arrowmaster |
| 10:39.17 | Fisker | that's just what you saw |
| 10:39.19 | Dagmar | Amarande: This would be true |
| 10:39.24 | A-KO | Amarande: TOC25 takes about 2 hours to clear |
| 10:39.28 | Amarande | Dagmar: Yeah, well, what I'm seeing as likely at 85, is that the mass res and guild summon thing will utterly kill this. |
| 10:39.36 | A-KO | oh well :P |
| 10:39.36 | Fisker | lol naw A-KO |
| 10:39.40 | Dagmar | Amarande: HToC makes a decent proving ground for checking people out too |
| 10:39.49 | Arrowmaster | why would they kill it? |
| 10:39.58 | Dagmar | I don't really see the mass res thing being a problem |
| 10:40.04 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: he's saying that by offering guild perks, that more people will be more interested in joining established guilds than new guilds. |
| 10:40.05 | Amarande | Dagmar: And it will go back to basically being like BC where unless you DID full-time commit your entire life around the membership requirements of a raiding guild, to the point of being willing to change your job availability and such, you'll fail to get into any real groups. |
| 10:40.06 | A-KO | and that's fine |
| 10:40.21 | Dagmar | Is there going to be some rule that says you can't use it in 5-mans or something? |
| 10:40.24 | Amarande | A-KO: so basically, you'd like to see servers mainly have 1 or 2 active guilds where almost every player is in? |
| 10:40.25 | Dagmar | Amarande: I'm not 15. |
| 10:40.34 | A-KO | Amarande: you obviously never were around during 40 mans :P |
| 10:40.43 | A-KO | there were maybe 5 guilds that did anything useful |
| 10:40.45 | Dagmar | I do not look at some people who spend three nights a week every week playing the game like it's a JOB as "real" players. |
| 10:40.46 | A-KO | 5-10 :P |
| 10:40.47 | Amarande | A-KO: nope. I didn't join till after BC was out |
| 10:41.06 | Amarande | Dagmar: the problem with guild perks and the heavy emphasis it's going to create among the e-peeners for being in established guilds |
| 10:41.24 | Dagmar | So those people will create more silly drama we can read about and laugh |
| 10:41.24 | Amarande | is that there's going to be very little left at 85 besides such guilds, and people who sit around trade chat frustrated because the groups they can get always fail |
| 10:41.26 | Arrowmaster | you mean guilds of 500 drooling idiots |
| 10:41.35 | Amarande | kinda like ... happened in BC |
| 10:41.36 | A-KO | Amarande: look at it from my standpoint right now. I'm in a raiding guild, we raid 9 hours a week (which is VERY low by raiding standards)--and we have trouble recruiting, very difficult trouble. Why? Because everyone and their mother is forming their own guilds to follow their own loot rules. It has nothing to do with availability, and everything to do with wanting to power grab. |
| 10:41.39 | Dagmar | I mean, not to be rude, but that kind of schedule DOES work well for the trailer-park crowd |
| 10:41.57 | Dagmar | Again, A-KO++ |
| 10:41.58 | Amarande | A-KO: and what happens to the people with job-imposed availability issues? |
| 10:42.10 | A-KO | then what's it matter Amarande? it's a video game |
| 10:42.12 | A-KO | do something else in the game |
| 10:42.15 | A-KO | play another game |
| 10:42.19 | Amarande | Or are we expected to basically give up RPGs entirely and L2DevilMayCry because the entire RPG market is pretty much going MMO and MMOs are based around having the right availability to group up? |
| 10:42.27 | Dagmar | Amarande: They hang out in a "casual" guild like mine that once or twice a month gets with another guild and does somewhere |
| 10:42.49 | Dagmar | ...and we generally one-shot the bosses |
| 10:42.51 | A-KO | Amarande: I've played wow for 5 years, have been in 3 different jobs holding multiple schedules. For almost the entirety of BC I didn't raid, I didn't even do BT or Sunwell, or finish that one raid zone in Zangarmarsh |
| 10:43.03 | A-KO | and I had no problem with that |
| 10:43.08 | A-KO | it's a video game |
| 10:43.16 | A-KO | I didn't get all bent out of shape because their video game didn't cater to my scheduling needs |
| 10:43.25 | Dagmar | There's enough of us to do 5-mans pretty much every day of the week tho |
| 10:43.37 | Amarande | A-KO: yeah, I don't really mind not raiding much if at all, I actually only went to Kara a few times in BC and nothing beyond that |
| 10:43.40 | A-KO | Dagmar: the whole triumph emblem thing keeps 5 mans going, even if only one a day. |
| 10:43.42 | Dagmar | You find one other guild like that and you install guild2guild |
| 10:43.50 | Amarande | what becomes an issue is if 5-mans start having issues like BC again |
| 10:43.57 | Dagmar | It's all just so much confetti in my pockets |
| 10:44.07 | Amarande | basically, the thing that got me really soured in BC, was that everyone who did group content at all pretty much only raided |
| 10:44.15 | Amarande | and if they 5-manned at all, it was in-guild heroics |
| 10:44.17 | Dagmar | I figure I'll probably have enough stonekeepers shards to hand a full twink suit to the goblin without even trying |
| 10:44.19 | A-KO | 5 mans will never have the issues tbc did because 5 mans from now on are guaranteed to be run for the badges |
| 10:44.19 | Amarande | PUGs were almost nonexistent |
| 10:44.28 | Arrowmaster | there were reasons for that |
| 10:44.42 | Amarande | and by late BC, you pretty much had to have raid epics to get accepted into a heroic 5-man |
| 10:44.44 | Dagmar | A lot of the stuff in BC was vicious |
| 10:44.44 | A-KO | it takes 45 minutes to get 2 badges |
| 10:44.51 | A-KO | you think that was vicious? |
| 10:44.52 | Dagmar | HP is still ugly |
| 10:44.52 | A-KO | pre-bc |
| 10:44.53 | A-KO | lbrs |
| 10:44.53 | A-KO | ubrs |
| 10:44.58 | A-KO | stratholme before the nerfs |
| 10:45.03 | Dagmar | I didn't bother raiding at all then |
| 10:45.04 | A-KO | lbrs took 4 hours to clear |
| 10:45.09 | A-KO | and EVERYONE had to clear it for their Ony key |
| 10:45.15 | Arrowmaster | i miss pre-nerf stratholme 5mans =( |
| 10:45.28 | A-KO | was druid, would stealth with rogue to clear ziggurats :P |
| 10:45.33 | Amarande | I remember there was a day when Scholomance pretty much held the position in progression that Kara did in BC |
| 10:45.34 | Gnarfoz | basically, Amarande doesn't know any of WoW's history, didn't even raid in BC and now makes dire predictions for WoW's future based on what little we saw about Cataclysm at BlizzCon |
| 10:45.42 | Gnarfoz | cool story bro, as Fisker would say |
| 10:45.47 | A-KO | yeah Amarande |
| 10:45.56 | Arrowmaster | i really really miss pre-nerf scholomance 5 mans =( |
| 10:45.58 | Fisker | yes Gnarfoz |
| 10:45.59 | Amarande | I remember when it was a huge achievement when some folks managed to do it 5 man :) |
| 10:46.07 | Wobin | I miss CC being a required tactic in heroics =( |
| 10:46.08 | Amarande | and now Alvaerin solos Scholo, heh |
| 10:46.15 | A-KO | Wobin: we won't ever get back to that I don't think |
| 10:46.20 | Amarande | Wobin: that's probably a bad thing |
| 10:46.23 | Amarande | it's neat on paper |
| 10:46.25 | A-KO | I miss it |
| 10:46.28 | Fisker | using several hours on instances were never fun |
| 10:46.28 | Dagmar | nonsense like "if the tank loses aggro, the tank failed, always" is what makes idiot players who can't PUG possible |
| 10:46.29 | A-KO | but we won't ever go back to it |
| 10:46.41 | Amarande | but it also severely limits which DPS may go to heroics |
| 10:46.56 | Amarande | basically, classes that hadn't got suitable CC abilities were usually left out |
| 10:46.58 | Arrowmaster | i puged pre-nerf scholo 5man and got all the quests done |
| 10:47.05 | Amarande | and when they did get taken, the heroic became mind-crashingly hard |
| 10:47.19 | Dagmar | I went through there on the basis of "Hey we found this place" |
| 10:47.22 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 10:47.24 | A-KO | Amarande: back then, there were very limited "DPS" classes like there are now. For example, you didn't take enhance shamans. Each class had its role |
| 10:47.32 | Amarande | BC heroics were classic cases of "bring the class, not the player" |
| 10:47.32 | A-KO | it wasn't until tbc when that started to change |
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| 10:48.14 | Amarande | I remember some heroic groups spammed trade forever because they specifically wanted a MAGE to fill the third DPS slot, for instance |
| 10:48.28 | Arrowmaster | those people are just fucking idiots |
| 10:48.30 | Amarande | unfortunately, I'm not sure they were wrong to be so picky |
| 10:48.38 | Amarande | I was in a heroic Slave Pens group once that took four hours |
| 10:48.38 | Dagmar | You pretty much needed specific CC or you did not clear HP |
| 10:48.59 | Arrowmaster | i think ive been in a heroic slave pens group that took four hours too |
| 10:49.07 | Arrowmaster | it was called the server first clear |
| 10:49.07 | Amarande | Arrow: Quel'dorei server? Horde? |
| 10:49.13 | Amarande | oh |
| 10:49.13 | Amarande | heh |
| 10:49.21 | A-KO | at any rate, guild ranking, guild leveling is awesome. It should definitely help combine some of these "casual" guilds and allow for better recruitment of players. Generally what I've found since TBC is you end up with 200 half-assed guilds because 5-6 of the players in each are uber bad ass, and the rest are morons--but you need the morons to even go into a raid dungeon period, so you have to keep them around. |
| 10:49.36 | Amarande | as for the tank losing aggro meaning the tank failed |
| 10:49.41 | Amarande | I imagine that depends on the DPS, in particular |
| 10:50.05 | Wobin | eh, I enjoyed the CC I could do |
| 10:50.05 | Wobin | even as a druid |
| 10:50.06 | Amarande | if you have really geared DPS who are pewpewing like mad and the tank isn't geared accordingly, then yeah, DPS's fault |
| 10:50.06 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 10:50.07 | Wobin | once they allowed indoor rooting |
| 10:50.10 | Amarande | if your tank is a scrub who can't put out reasonable threat so you can do even reasonable DPS without pulling aggro, then the tank fails |
| 10:50.25 | Amarande | which also has its corollary |
| 10:50.27 | A-KO | Amarande: the game, by design, puts DPS above threat tank if everyone were to go balls to the wall |
| 10:50.28 | Dagmar | I've seen guys in ulduar-25 gear who didn't seem to understand that maybe they didn't need to just mash every button and slam 3900 dps down the bosses throat |
| 10:50.34 | Wobin | and hunter chain trapping was fantastic fun |
| 10:50.37 | Dagmar | ...because their tank is still in blues |
| 10:51.00 | Amarande | The tank *is responsible* for providing enough threat to ensure that the DPS can do their job without pulling aggro. |
| 10:51.03 | Arrowmaster | the best tank on the server kept inviting me to his server first heroic groups when i wasnt even in his guild, he kept inviting me over his warlock guild leader |
| 10:51.06 | Amarande | Failure to do so means the tank fails. |
| 10:51.10 | Wobin | my groups used to go after the sap, and then the sheep and -then- my trap target |
| 10:51.11 | Dagmar | lol |
| 10:51.11 | A-KO | if you were to put a rogue balls to the wall with a tank, there's a guarantee the rogue will pull it at some point without threat loss, stopping, or just a string of unlucky crits |
| 10:51.21 | Arrowmaster | so BC wasnt really bring the class not the player |
| 10:51.27 | Dagmar | Amarande: The only limitation on that is enrage timers |
| 10:51.35 | A-KO | off to work :P |
| 10:51.36 | A-KO | later |
| 10:51.37 | Amarande | Yes, we need to watch our threat. Yes, we need to make use of the abilities we are provided to reduce our threat burden. |
| 10:51.40 | Codayus | As for CC... A lot of classes have very specific CC. Priest CC works on undead. Any instance with undead that need CC requires a priest. Conversely, any instance that need non-undead CCed doesn't benefit from a priest. Unless they give everyone generic CC in the same way they've given everyone AoE, I don't think CC in heroic will ever return to TBC levels. |
| 10:51.44 | Amarande | However, if we do this, and you *still* lose aggro to us, then you fail. |
| 10:51.58 | A-KO | Amarande: most players don't do it |
| 10:52.00 | A-KO | just an fyi |
| 10:52.01 | Wobin | that's why I liked hunter traps =) |
| 10:52.09 | Dagmar | You could also do like I have never had a problem doing. |
| 10:52.13 | A-KO | I've played a healer since the game started, I watch players, watch the raid, watch how people die and take damage |
| 10:52.14 | Wobin | given enough room to move, you could trap almost anything |
| 10:52.15 | Dagmar | Stop hitting the boss. |
| 10:52.19 | Amarande | and there's been times when I still have issues with threat even when I use my soulshatter wisely |
| 10:52.24 | A-KO | and DPS is usually the retarded children of every guild |
| 10:52.30 | Dagmar | There's no big hurry unless an enrage timer is coming down on you |
| 10:52.37 | Amarande | although, apparently, it is the case that warlocks have threat issues, sadly |
| 10:52.51 | Dagmar | Wobin: Except for those damn giant monsters in Hellfire Peninsula |
| 10:52.53 | Codayus | (And yes, good or geared players couldn't completely ignore class restrictions in TBC. You were never REQUIRED to bring a mage to sheep, or a pally tank for shattered halls. But it did help noticably for the average group.) |
| 10:53.00 | Arrowmaster | you arent allowed to talk about warlock threat issues |
| 10:53.05 | Arrowmaster | its nothing like it used to be |
| 10:53.07 | A-KO | it's not a "threat issue", it's a matter of knowing how to play with it. You can always stay beneath the tank |
| 10:53.26 | Amarande | There seems to be a big push lately to suggest that Soulshatter remove 100% of current threat rather than 50%, between warlocks putting out consistently more threat per DPS than other DPS, and the fact that it's already on a several minutes CD |
| 10:53.34 | Amarande | plus costs a shard and health, too |
| 10:53.36 | Dagmar | Only warlocks have the excuse that they clicked the button thirty seconds ago, but they should just plan ahead more |
| 10:53.55 | Amarande | Dagmar: that requires things not available in many PUGs |
| 10:54.02 | Amarande | mainly, familiarity with the tank's threat abilities |
| 10:54.09 | Dagmar | I don't need to be familiar |
| 10:54.13 | Dagmar | I just watch him and stay under it |
| 10:54.19 | Codayus | Nobody really has threat issues any more. :-/ |
| 10:54.21 | Amarande | if you're in a PUG and have never played with a given tank before, it's hard to know how hard you can push without pulling aggro |
| 10:54.28 | Dagmar | No it's not. |
| 10:54.29 | A-KO | Amarande: DPS is done differently, look at overall damage of the fight. Generally locks are pushing high dps, but overall damage gives a clearer picture of who did what damage, because sometimes players need to move, so average "DPS" might drop even though they were contributing to the fight accordingly. |
| 10:54.32 | Amarande | and if you're aff and need to predict your threat and tank threat ahead of time ... |
| 10:54.32 | Arrowmaster | then you shouldnt be dpsing hard |
| 10:54.34 | Dagmar | You just look at omen for a bit |
| 10:54.39 | Arrowmaster | you should hold off to get a feel for the tank |
| 10:54.54 | A-KO | also |
| 10:54.58 | A-KO | not every fight favors every class type for DPS |
| 10:54.59 | Amarande | Arrow: if only we could afford that luxury if we want to continue to PUG |
| 10:55.00 | Wobin | Codayus, it's true |
| 10:55.04 | A-KO | some fights prefer range, some prefer melee |
| 10:55.19 | Wobin | they ramped up the threat generation of tanks leik woah |
| 10:55.22 | Amarande | unfortunately, a lot of PUGs on servers have meter maids who insist on a certain history of X DPS output |
| 10:55.30 | A-KO | eh |
| 10:55.34 | A-KO | I pug only good players :P |
| 10:55.40 | Dagmar | ...which is basically just stacking gear, not players. |
| 10:55.51 | Amarande | and if you're still in ilvl 200? you pretty much have to pull out all the stops to keep your DPS acceptable for the server's PUG community |
| 10:55.53 | A-KO | stacked gear = faster dungeon run time by at least 5 minutes |
| 10:55.56 | Arrowmaster | yeah seriously, i was a classic wow horde raiding warlock i know what threat issues are, they dont exist anymore |
| 10:56.23 | Amarande | Dagmar: maybe so |
| 10:56.23 | A-KO | off to work though |
| 10:56.25 | Amarande | which isn't any good either |
| 10:56.38 | Amarande | that's sounding like a return to the BC days when you needed high-tier epics to be able to get into heroic PUGs most of the time |
| 10:56.42 | Dagmar | It's pretty much what it amounts to |
| 10:57.00 | Dagmar | Me, I don't have a real problem if other people are undergeared |
| 10:57.06 | Dagmar | Maybe they'll get some better gear |
| 10:57.16 | Arrowmaster | just accept the fact that wow is a horrible horrible game not because of anything wrong with the game but because the people that play it are horrible people |
| 10:57.27 | Amarande | sadly, a lot of times I tend to perceive the server climate as "undergeared as DPS? shove off and shelve your character till the next expansion, go roll a tank or healer if you want groups" |
| 10:57.28 | Dagmar | Totally |
| 10:57.35 | Wobin | You are all the reason we can't have nice things =( |
| 10:57.59 | Amarande | basically, you get started on gearing up from the beginning of the current expansion or not at all, seems to be a lot of folks' thought |
| 10:58.27 | Amarande | myself, I didn't even hit 80 until sometime around Christmas, the 'real' progression people apparently were already in 213 by then |
| 10:58.40 | Amarande | or wait, was naxx25 213 or 226? |
| 10:58.43 | Arrowmaster | people are the reason i stopped playing online FPS games even though i was playing them before most of the current generation even knew about them, and people are the reason i dont play mmos anymore either |
| 10:58.47 | Wobin | 213 |
| 10:58.50 | Dagmar | Well, frankly, it's not like if you didn't start gearing up way back then that you can't just whack the ToC loot pinatas until you're all i200-i213'd up |
| 10:59.19 | Wobin | Dagmar, ToC normal is pretty damn easy |
| 10:59.28 | Wobin | er |
| 10:59.32 | Wobin | yeah, that's what your point was =P |
| 10:59.35 | Dagmar | If you can pay attention, sure |
| 10:59.51 | Wobin | your double negative threw me a bit =P |
| 10:59.55 | Dagmar | If you're undergeared and you go in there and do things like ignore the healers in the paladin trash, you die repeatedly. |
| 11:00.07 | Wobin | of course |
| 11:00.15 | Wobin | it's simple, -if- you know what to do |
| 11:00.18 | Dagmar | I do like the "you are not prepared" aspect of that. hehe |
| 11:00.30 | Wobin | ie, it's not necessarily -gear- dependant to be able to complete it |
| 11:00.43 | Wobin | just an understanding of the tactics involved |
| 11:01.00 | Wobin | (also the ridiculously close corpse run helps too) |
| 11:01.09 | Dagmar | Yep. If you can do that, you're worth of the gear |
| 11:01.20 | Dagmar | If you can't, you need to back to the other heroics until you learn how to play |
| 11:01.49 | Dagmar | checkin' this out is why I've pugged that thing about 20 times now |
| 11:02.15 | Dagmar | Trying to spot new people who don't suck |
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| 11:03.05 | Dagmar | ...although some folks. |
| 11:03.12 | Dagmar | MM hunter doing 1.2k dps |
| 11:03.17 | Amarande | Dagmar: were you the one who's on the server with that tree who can't heal? :) |
| 11:03.28 | Dagmar | I don't know but I've seen trees who couldn't |
| 11:03.42 | Dagmar | Some of them don't get the whole paced casting thing |
| 11:03.56 | Amarande | Dagmar: what was this hunter's gear like? |
| 11:03.58 | Dagmar | I watched one melee last night, but it was appropriate at the time |
| 11:04.03 | Amarande | were they in greens and trying to upgrade, or were they just crap? |
| 11:04.16 | Dagmar | Amarande: The reasonable greens and blues you usually get at 80 |
| 11:04.37 | Dagmar | For a bit they stayed in the 800's |
| 11:04.43 | Dagmar | My wolf bites that hard |
| 11:04.51 | Wobin | we had a boomkin like that =( |
| 11:04.59 | Amarande | I'm not sure what the basic baseline DPS is for most DPS characters at 80 in fresh 80 gear |
| 11:05.00 | Wobin | luckily she was willing to learn |
| 11:05.06 | Dagmar | I'm not sure what they were doing but it didn't seem to be a lot of shooting |
| 11:05.16 | Dagmar | She picked up the pace a little towards the end |
| 11:05.24 | Wobin | for hunters? maybe 1.7-2k? |
| 11:05.32 | Wobin | or more? |
| 11:05.34 | Dagmar | Should be like 1500 at least |
| 11:05.47 | Wobin | man, the problem with levelling too many toons is you -forget- what dps you had at certain stages |
| 11:05.48 | Amarande | actually, one thing that's been deterring me from upgrading my gear is gold, too |
| 11:05.55 | Dagmar | I diddled my gear around a bit then and got 1600 out of it, and then started buying DPS |
| 11:06.00 | Codayus | I think I was doing 2k as a shadowpriest in all blues on boss dummies. |
| 11:06.13 | Amarande | knowing that each piece I upgrade has to be regemmed, and more importantly, given the BIS enchant again, which usually costs a bunch in mats and tip |
| 11:06.13 | Dagmar | 400g later, 1850dps |
| 11:06.15 | Codayus | Would have done a fair bit more with party or raid buffs. |
| 11:06.34 | Amarande | and right now ... I just ground my hunter to BS and Eng 225 each and kinda don't have all that much gold. |
| 11:06.39 | Wobin | many people don't enchant their gear either, which is understandable, as they get replaced quite quickly |
| 11:06.51 | Fisker | stop me Wobin |
| 11:06.52 | Dagmar | Scrolls have always worked for me |
| 11:06.53 | Fisker | STOP ME |
| 11:06.57 | Wobin | stops Fisker |
| 11:07.05 | Amarande | Wobin: which makes it that much more stringent to upgrade, though |
| 11:07.09 | Dagmar | All those dailies pay for my gems and repairs and enchants, no problem |
| 11:07.12 | Amarande | let's say you -have- an enchanted piece |
| 11:07.23 | Amarande | if you don't have the gold handy to pay for the mats for a high end enchant again |
| 11:07.33 | Dagmar | You just don't start putting things like Massacre on a stick you bought from a vendor tho |
| 11:07.39 | Codayus | Gold is pretty trivial to get these days. :-/ |
| 11:07.41 | Amarande | that means a potential upgrade has to be a HELLA lot better than otherwise, because you have to consider the loss of DPS from the enchant being gone |
| 11:07.58 | Amarande | Codayus: that's why everything costs so much of it, though :) |
| 11:08.01 | Dagmar | Amarande: Well, it's a good thing they're almost all stacked just like that |
| 11:08.09 | Wobin | Amarande, yet, any 'upgrade' from heroic purples, ie, raid items, -are- going to be taken |
| 11:08.17 | Dagmar | Everything I've gotten in the last two months has been enough to put on right then and there, no gems or enchants in it |
| 11:08.27 | Amarande | sadly, when you constantly introduce extra money into the world without real checks and balances, things inflate badly :) |
| 11:08.57 | Dagmar | Amarande: There's trade skills with cooldowns that are worth abotu 100g a day |
| 11:08.58 | Amarande | in fact, one can probably go as far as to feel assured that whoever at Blizzard decided to balance the gold rewards in BC and WotLK probably has no real background in economics |
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| 11:09.29 | Lothaer | G'Day |
| 11:09.43 | Dagmar | Things aren't inflated to the point where you can't buy stuff |
| 11:09.54 | Dagmar | I bought a freaking chopper from the leatherworking stuff I sold |
| 11:10.03 | Codayus | Amarande: You have a very valid point. Or would if reality did contradict it so badly. Item prices are almost universally deflationary. Barring any major changes to tradeskills, herb, glyph, gem, ore prices are all trending steadily DOWN. |
| 11:10.03 | Dagmar | I didn't farm a thing personally |
| 11:10.14 | Codayus | Cloth prices, enchanting mat prices, too. |
| 11:10.24 | Codayus | So apart from being 100% wrong, you're right. :-) |
| 11:10.27 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 11:10.39 | Dagmar | Frozen orbs for instance are running in the low 30's to mid 20's now |
| 11:10.49 | Amarande | Dagmar: that's because it's all about Runed Orbs now |
| 11:10.50 | Amarande | not sure why |
| 11:11.05 | Amarande | is a JC, and as far as I can see, there isn't even anything a JC can *do* with a runed orb |
| 11:11.10 | Codayus | And runed orb prices are dropping. Crusader orb prices too, and they're about to go into freefall. |
| 11:11.15 | Amarande | just like how we got screwed in BC with not having any use for primal nethers :P |
| 11:11.24 | Dagmar | About the only elemental that seems to stay high is fire |
| 11:11.24 | Dagmar | The runed orbs thing is a bit whack |
| 11:11.32 | Codayus | It's almost like someone at Bliz knows what they're doing, and is carefully balancing the supply... *cough* |
| 11:11.51 | Amarande | Codayus: that's understandable, that's pretty much a flattening out as the initial rarity gives way to a steady supply |
| 11:11.53 | Dagmar | If you're not running ulduar regularly you won't get the recipe, but if you do get it, you still have to keep doing it to get the runed orbs... |
| 11:11.55 | Dagmar | ...but you don't even _need_ that gear unless youre running Ulduar |
| 11:12.18 | Amarande | yeah, maybe I do think too much about gear |
| 11:12.27 | Dagmar | You can be geared up enough to stomp the crap out of everything short of that place without going in there |
| 11:12.34 | Codayus | Meh, you don't need it even then, really. Just something to soak up the badges raining from the sky. |
| 11:12.37 | Amarande | does one really *need* more than ilvl 200 to do heroics, except to satisfy the meter maids who want you to have 213+ epics so you can put out enough? |
| 11:12.43 | Dagmar | lol |
| 11:12.48 | Dagmar | My thoughts exactly on the badges |
| 11:12.58 | Dagmar | So much stuff drops in HToC |
| 11:13.01 | Codayus | Amarande: Ulduar has been cleared in all blues. You don't *need* gear for anything. It just makes it easier. :-) |
| 11:13.12 | Amarande | Codayus: Even Algalon? :) |
| 11:13.33 | Amarande | boggles at the idea of Algalon in all blues. |
| 11:13.39 | Fisker | i disagree Codayus |
| 11:13.40 | Codayus | Amarande: Not hard modes, no. It's possible it could be done, but the Ulduar clear was just for fun. |
| 11:13.47 | Fisker | i find it unlikely that ulduar has been cleared in blues |
| 11:14.16 | Codayus | Fisker: Like, seriously, you hadn't heard? Or are we having a semantic argument about "clear" or something? |
| 11:14.23 | Dagmar | FL has probably been nerfed that much |
| 11:14.29 | Fisker | i have heard |
| 11:14.35 | Amarande | I suspect the frustration is more the fact that Alvaerin seems to have reached a serious plateau that's going to take quite a lot of time invested to get further from |
| 11:14.47 | Fisker | but i'm still not sure they got past FL with blue gear |
| 11:14.55 | Codayus | http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2009/08/ungeared.html |
| 11:14.55 | Dagmar | You can hit all the relevant caps in blues afaik |
| 11:15.20 | Amarande | I need to either raid, or get a metric shit-ton of badges to make any serious upgrade from this point |
| 11:15.22 | Arrowmaster | it would have been possible when ulduar first opened wouldnt it? |
| 11:15.32 | Dagmar | I don't think so |
| 11:15.33 | Arrowmaster | didnt they add the vehicle scaling after that? |
| 11:15.35 | Amarande | although, yeah, the question begs, if I don't raid all that much if at all, what do I really need the upgrades for |
| 11:15.36 | Dagmar | FL was a B*TCH then |
| 11:15.47 | Dagmar | It is *significantly* easier now |
| 11:15.58 | Amarande | except yeah, for that feeling of actually -getting somewhere- rather than feeling like my character is basically done outside of dailies and farming |
| 11:16.14 | Fisker | still don't think they got through FL |
| 11:16.15 | Amarande | and some Icecrown questing |
| 11:16.28 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: your character progression is done, just quit now and get it over with |
| 11:16.28 | Fisker | unless blizzard failed when doing the hp calculations for vehicles |
| 11:16.33 | Codayus | Amarande: Well, if your not going to raid or arena, then your character really IS done apart from finishing up loremaster achievements and collecting gold. :-) |
| 11:16.42 | Fisker | and damage for that matter |
| 11:17.10 | Amarande | Which I'd be more gung ho about if it wasn't for the fact that every time I face south in Icecrown, I have to see that stupid rock whose name starts with D |
| 11:17.12 | Amarande | and my framerate goes to crap. |
| 11:17.22 | Amarande | And we know what that rock is. :) |
| 11:17.39 | Amarande | is surprised it can be seen from THAT far away. |
| 11:17.48 | Amarande | Either that, or Icecrown is a lot smaller than I thought it was. |
| 11:18.28 | Arrowmaster | part of it is in icecrown |
| 11:18.33 | Amarande | I think when I was doing the crusader's pinnacle (or whatever it's called) quests |
| 11:18.47 | Amarande | some of those quests took me longer to get back and turn in than they did to do, because of that dalaran lag |
| 11:19.41 | Amarande | (of course granted, pretty much half the crusader's pinnacle portion is 'go back to the sick soldier and then back here' ad nauseam, but ... heh.) |
| 11:20.12 | Amarande | speaking of which, if A'dal is THAT powerful against the Scourge |
| 11:20.18 | Amarande | why were there ever zombies in Shattrath during the zombie event :| |
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| 11:21.56 | Fisker | yeah Codayus |
| 11:22.19 | Fisker | unless Blizzard failed i'd say they didn't kill FL in blues |
| 11:22.43 | Amarande | FL? |
| 11:22.49 | Fisker | flame leviathan |
| 11:23.35 | Codayus | Fisker: Why? FL isn't that hard, the scaling isn't the aggressive. |
| 11:23.55 | Fisker | I've tried in blue gear |
| 11:24.00 | Amarande | hmm ... is http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47522 meant more for a hunter, or for a kitty? |
| 11:24.02 | Fisker | with some epics |
| 11:24.08 | Codayus | Maybe you just sucked. |
| 11:24.08 | Codayus | A lot. |
| 11:24.11 | Codayus | :-) |
| 11:24.12 | Fisker | no |
| 11:24.18 | Fisker | The scaling applies in reverse as well |
| 11:24.30 | Fisker | So my vehicle actually lost 90% of it's hp by me entering it |
| 11:24.51 | Dagmar | Your math blows chunks |
| 11:25.16 | Fisker | ? |
| 11:25.47 | Wobin | Amarande, both |
| 11:28.34 | Amarande | say, for the vehicles that scale with gear |
| 11:28.53 | Amarande | does it make any difference at all to wear the shirt from BRD and a rep tabard, or are those slots not considered at all? |
| 11:29.47 | Codayus | Fisker: Heh, right. Your problem is, you were wearing bad blue gear. Try again in ilvl 200. (Also, fail less.) |
| 11:29.50 | Amarande | also: must ... do ... HToC |
| 11:29.52 | Amarande | sees http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47564 |
| 11:29.53 | Amarande | squees |
| 11:29.55 | Codayus | Amarande: It does NOT count those slots. |
| 11:31.20 | Codayus | Fisker: Blue gear has a 13 ilvl penalty for the purposes of this calculation. Anything below 170 has 10% of baseline stats. Increasing to 183 it scales to 50%. By ilvl 200 it's at 100% (ie, baseline). |
| 11:31.45 | Fisker | fail |
| 11:32.11 | Amarande | actually, that helm may be the best helm I ever see this expansion, if I get it |
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| 11:32.23 | Codayus | So if you were seeing 90% of max health when you entered your AVERAGE ilvl after the blue penalty was 170 or less. :-) |
| 11:32.53 | Amarande | (also: caster DPS helms are fail, seeing as pre-raid you couldn't even get an ilvl 200 helm with a meta slot and hit rating on it before this one.) |
| 11:32.53 | Fisker | ah yeah |
| 11:33.02 | Fisker | I was actually decked in ilvl 187 blues |
| 11:33.12 | Fisker | and better |
| 11:33.18 | Fisker | but my weapons were heirloom :P |
| 11:33.27 | Fisker | aka ilvl 1 |
| 11:33.30 | A-KO^^ | yay ssl |
| 11:33.34 | Codayus | Oooh, heirloom is going to be lvl 1 I think...so yeah, ouch. |
| 11:33.45 | Wobin | Amarande, that's a fairly common drop |
| 11:33.58 | Amarande | aright, it's after 7:30 |
| 11:33.58 | Wobin | I have that in the bank |
| 11:34.12 | Amarande | I need some sleep before patch day mayhem and an attempt at getting into HTOC for that. |
| 11:34.16 | Amarande | night folks. |
| 11:34.39 | Fisker | i'm considering a HD5870 |
| 11:34.42 | Fisker | please stop me :( |
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| 12:41.41 | Aelobin | howdy |
| 12:42.50 | Lopeppeppy | Mornin'. |
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| 12:51.35 | Ose | is there a macro that will auto-spam the brewfest reins for a predetermined amount of times? |
| 12:51.54 | Lopeppeppy | I doubt it. You can't macro repeated actions. |
| 12:52.01 | taleden | castsequence? |
| 12:52.07 | Ose | remembers a /chicken macro he used longa go |
| 12:52.14 | Lopeppeppy | " long ago " |
| 12:52.42 | |Jelly| | tackle-hugs Peppy. |
| 12:52.56 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Jelly-dear. |
| 12:53.07 | |Jelly| | Going to the doctor today. Should be exciting. |
| 12:53.19 | Lopeppeppy | Ooof, what for? |
| 12:54.37 | |Jelly| | I think it's going to boil down to anxiety but lately, I've been shaking pretty bad for no apparent reason (with exception of one, where I needed to eat); my heart will race and then slow down and then race and slow down; my breathing pattern follows my heart -- I'm either out of breath or it seems like I'm holding my breath sometimes without realizing it. |
| 12:54.49 | |Jelly| | If I die, you can have my stuff. |
| 12:55.02 | Lopeppeppy | Thank you, but I'd much rather you didn't make with the dying. |
| 12:55.21 | |Jelly| | lol |
| 12:55.24 | Lopeppeppy | Might be stress, might be allergies, could be anything at all. *big hugs* |
| 12:55.43 | |Jelly| | Maybe I'm allergic to dinos! AHHH! DINO HUGS! <3 |
| 12:57.23 | |Jelly| | Anywho, what's the topic of discussion? Someone's lazy and doesn't want to actually click their ram's reins? |
| 12:57.58 | Lopeppeppy | Yup yup. |
| 12:58.20 | Lopeppeppy | I put mine on a keyboard button, steer with the mouse while hammering the keyboard key. All done. |
| 12:58.34 | |Jelly| | I keyboard turn mine, like a pro. :P |
| 12:59.11 | Lopeppeppy | blah blah. I have a gimp hand, I can't even do that anymore. |
| 12:59.52 | |Jelly| | "Use mah good hand ..." :P |
| 13:00.52 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 13:01.03 | Lopeppeppy | So I have to make a drs. appointment too, fun times. |
| 13:01.21 | |Jelly| | Well, at least I'm not alone. |
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| 13:33.58 | Gnarfoz | * Ose remembers a /chicken macro he used longa go & <+Lopeppeppy> " long ago " <-- emotes are not actions |
| 13:34.42 | Lopeppeppy | He's not talkign about doing an emote either, whuzza point? |
| 13:34.59 | Gnarfoz | he was. |
| 13:35.13 | Lopeppeppy | Using your ram reins is not an emote |
| 13:35.29 | Gnarfoz | did I c&p the ram reins line or the "but I remember a /chicken macro" line? |
| 13:35.52 | Lopeppeppy | Did you forgo context for the fun of proving a tiny aspect of a conversation incorrect? |
| 13:35.53 | Gnarfoz | to which you wrongly responded "long ago", since that chicken macro would still work just fine today |
| 13:36.21 | Gnarfoz | I'm pointing out that your "fun" comment was simply wrong, because that /chicken macro still works, nothing more ;o |
| 13:36.42 | Gnarfoz | what's fun in emphasizing the "long ago" part of the sentence when it's wrong? ^^ |
| 13:36.53 | Gnarfoz | maybe I just have a different sense of humor ;p |
| 13:37.19 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe. Or a bad case of "someone is wrong on the internets, omg!" |
| 13:37.21 | Gnarfoz | also, time to eat, maybe that's it :) |
| 13:37.30 | Gnarfoz | bad case? certainly not, maby a regular one. ;p |
| 13:37.40 | Gnarfoz | *maybe |
| 13:38.48 | Lopeppeppy | Go eat, and stop nitpicking. |
| 13:39.38 | Gnarfoz | nitpicking? no, just preventing spread of wrong information :P |
| 13:40.08 | Lopeppeppy | If you can answer his orginal question, go for it. Otherwise, get over yourself. |
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| 13:59.34 | Gnarfoz | I can, just as much as you did. I just refrain from confusing him by suggesting that the other kind of macro he referenced also doesn't work anymore today. |
| 14:00.52 | Lopeppeppy | Now you're getting boring. I already admitted that what I said was misleading, any chance you'll give up harping on it sometime soon? |
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| 14:02.31 | Zergreth | im a bit puzzled. anybody else using haste's Butsu? you know, his loot frame replacement. it somwhow taints something, but i dont know what it is and how. when looting in combat, the typical message is displayed in the chat, and taint.log contains the following: 9/22 15:53:46.890 An action was blocked in combat because of taint from Butsu - LootSlot() |
| 14:02.31 | Zergreth | 9/22 15:53:46.890 Interface\AddOns\Butsu\loot.lua:76 |
| 14:02.37 | Zergreth | any ideas? |
| 14:02.44 | Zergreth | or rather, anybody else having the same problem? |
| 14:04.32 | haste | I blame some of your other addons I guess |
| 14:05.11 | Zergreth | any idea which kind of addon it could possibly be? |
| 14:05.42 | Zergreth | i got barely any to no addons running, and i cant imagine what could be causing this |
| 14:05.49 | Zergreth | doesnt make much sense to me |
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| 14:13.31 | A-KO^^ | lol |
| 14:13.34 | A-KO^^ | there are some wow nerds at work |
| 14:14.41 | Lopeppeppy | Zergreth, you'd have to turn them off one by one to see which one is causing the taint. Start with Butsu, see if you get errors anymore, etc. There's a binary search described in a sticky at the top of the WoW UI/Macros forum. |
| 14:14.42 | Zergreth | there are? ;o |
| 14:15.02 | Zergreth | Lopeppeppy, yea, sure. it's what i'm doing right now |
| 14:15.19 | Zergreth | i just thought maybe somebody had an idea what might cause the problem |
| 14:15.43 | Zergreth | just a rough direction or something, like the type of addon. i dont have any other loot related addons, you know.. |
| 14:16.29 | Lopeppeppy | We don't know what other addons you have, or what version number or or or... :) It's hard to provide any meaningful help other than what I said, do a binary search and narrow it down. |
| 14:16.52 | haste | Zergreth: turn on the tainlog and dump it on a pastey |
| 14:20.52 | Zergreth | Lopeppeppy, thats why i said "rough direction" ;D like, what type of addon could cause it |
| 14:21.07 | Zergreth | im done with going through them though, having only Butsu left enabled, and the error still occurs |
| 14:21.10 | Zergreth | haste, give me a second |
| 14:22.03 | Lopeppeppy | Taint is funny that way, sometimes there is no "rough direction", the cause comes out of left field. |
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| 14:22.26 | Zergreth | Lopeppeppy, yea, i noticed that in the past :/ |
| 14:22.59 | Zergreth | hey, at least taint.log is being more specific now |
| 14:23.02 | Lopeppeppy | Excellent. |
| 14:23.56 | Zergreth | http://f2f81f85290194d10c9b5d9e91b89b7e.pastebin.com/d2b849d61 |
| 14:25.28 | haste | Zergreth: do you have some crappy bug report addon that captures _everything_? |
| 14:25.43 | Zergreth | anyway, to sum up what i did to cause this: im farming linen cloth in that cave east of orgrimmar, and to reproduce this, i kill one of those orcs, use my wand to hit the next one once, wait half a second or so till the next one charges towards me or starts casting, then loot the dead orc |
| 14:25.49 | Zergreth | haste, i disabled anything but Butsu |
| 14:26.03 | Zergreth | also, i dont like crappy addons |
| 14:26.27 | Zergreth | if you consider bugsack & buggrabber crappy though, i might like them without knowing it ;p |
| 14:26.54 | haste | I consider them crappy because they reported taint events as errors |
| 14:27.00 | haste | which I guess is the case here |
| 14:27.08 | Zergreth | oh? |
| 14:27.15 | Zergreth | well, i got them disabled as well |
| 14:27.28 | Zergreth | only Butsu is left on my enabled addon list now, and i still get the error |
| 14:27.30 | haste | I find it odd that you can't loot in combat tho' |
| 14:27.34 | Zergreth | well |
| 14:27.37 | nevcairiel | haste, they only report action blocked events, which are errors =p |
| 14:27.41 | Zergreth | i totally forgot to tell you |
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| 14:27.47 | Zergreth | it DOES loot the item(s) |
| 14:28.00 | Zergreth | but it pops up with that default error in the chat frame |
| 14:28.10 | Zergreth | i dunno what it is when using the english client, im using the german one |
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| 14:28.25 | Zergreth | some kind of "interface action failed because of.." stuff |
| 14:28.37 | Zergreth | i suppose you know which one i mean |
| 14:29.32 | Zergreth | also, haste, which error catching addon are you using, if any? |
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| 14:30.00 | Lothaer | morning people |
| 14:30.22 | haste | Zergreth: I don't use any, but I also use auto-loot, so I guess I can look into it soonish |
| 14:30.36 | Zergreth | *nods* alright, thanks |
| 14:31.36 | Lothaer | whats new guys and gals |
| 14:32.55 | Lopeppeppy | The blocked action error has me thinking that butsu is old. When was it last updated? |
| 14:33.07 | Wobin | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=48663#comments |
| 14:33.09 | Wobin | zomg |
| 14:33.12 | Wobin | I want TWO OF THOSE |
| 14:33.48 | Zergreth | ;p |
| 14:33.54 | Zergreth | quite nice |
| 14:34.09 | nevcairiel | its BoE, probably pretty rare |
| 14:34.41 | Lothaer | Wobin i got one on my priest :D |
| 14:34.48 | Lothaer | its in the AH for 3887g |
| 14:34.49 | Wobin | =( |
| 14:34.54 | Wobin | oh phew =P |
| 14:34.57 | Lothaer | lol |
| 14:34.58 | Lopeppeppy | The drop rates were boosted yesterday for it, go try for it! |
| 14:35.00 | Wobin | I thought you were wielding it =P |
| 14:35.15 | Lothaer | why would a priest want that? |
| 14:35.21 | Lothaer | except to look awesome :D |
| 14:35.40 | haste | Lothaer: a while ago |
| 14:35.54 | Wobin | yeah, well, if you wielded it, I'd've called you noob =) |
| 14:35.58 | Wobin | cause zomg, boe |
| 14:36.14 | Lothaer | Wobin: even if you do get it id still call you a noob lol |
| 14:36.53 | Zergreth | Wobin: hunter item! :D |
| 14:38.07 | Lothaer | anyone here been testing BigWigs3? |
| 14:39.13 | Wobin | Lothaer, It's a great enh shaman weapon |
| 14:39.14 | Lothaer | o fyi funny story i was linking that "1h Mace" in trade with masacare on it :D |
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| 14:39.44 | Wobin | (and even if not, beating someone to death with two tankards just can't be passed up) |
| 14:39.52 | Lothaer | then some fool linked the relentless gun so i linked that with Masacare on it too :D |
| 14:40.07 | Wobin | glowfosho is a great addon =P |
| 14:40.17 | Lothaer | yeah especially with my little edit of it :D |
| 14:40.55 | Lothaer | my copy also does Armor and Miscellaneous items so i can link Helms and Chests and Potions with enchants on them :D |
| 14:41.06 | Lothaer | really stirs up trade :D |
| 14:41.38 | Lothaer | apparently the Ony change is comming tonight |
| 14:41.55 | Lothaer | yup downloading a patch now |
| 14:42.17 | A-KO^^ | sysprep is by far a really annoying process |
| 14:42.21 | Lopeppeppy | Interesting. Happy 5th anniversary, Ony. |
| 14:42.28 | zenzelezz | snuggles Lopeppeppy |
| 14:42.47 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzelezz. |
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| 14:46.16 | Lothaer | hey its not just Ony alot of actualy changes too |
| 14:46.41 | Lopeppeppy | Neat. I'll have to try to see if I can re-install WoW again so I can download another patch. |
| 14:46.48 | Lopeppeppy | WoW on my laptop is very much a failure. |
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| 14:47.04 | Lothaer | just copy it from your laptop to your PC |
| 14:50.20 | Lopeppeppy | PC is not hooked up to internets as yet. |
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| 14:56.35 | cog|work | we need more internets at work. there's only 3. at home i has 18 internets |
| 14:57.49 | Lothaer | is anyone dling the new patch now? |
| 14:58.10 | Arrowmaster | uzbl already has a package in the debian repos |
| 14:58.14 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 14:59.10 | Lopeppeppy | I have 1 laptop with internets, and one wireless adaptor for the desktop, but I'm all one-hand gimpy and just don't feel like hurting myself trying to unpackage it, move the desktop, install it, move the desktop again... very bother, Pooh. |
| 15:00.32 | Seerah | what happened to your other hand? |
| 15:00.55 | Lopeppeppy | Trigger thumb, can't move it. Trying to get in to see my doctor ASAP |
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| 15:03.47 | Seerah | :( |
| 15:04.46 | Lothaer | lol looks like rogues gots a fair whack with the nerf bat |
| 15:05.02 | Jelly_ | And DKs hit again. |
| 15:05.28 | Lothaer | yeah but people probablyy think were still OP |
| 15:05.40 | |Jelly| | People (who don't play them) :P |
| 15:05.46 | Lothaer | lol |
| 15:05.59 | Lopeppeppy | People suck. |
| 15:06.16 | Lothaer | well DK tanks got a slight buff :D i like that :D |
| 15:06.20 | |Jelly| | And honestly, nerfs ... whatever but I've been playing since launch and I've never had to completely re-learn my class this many times. It's just frustrating more than anything. |
| 15:06.36 | |Jelly| | (Not saying that this is one of those patches but still) |
| 15:07.28 | Lothaer | wait till Cataclysm |
| 15:08.42 | Lothaer | the only changes that affect my DK is the buff to Frost Presence (WOOT) and the change to VB so imma say all in all a buff to DK tanks :D |
| 15:11.36 | |Jelly| | Technically speaking, none of it really affects my DK since I really don't play 2h anymore. |
| 15:12.38 | |Jelly| | I really hope that the 1h weapon effects make up for the complete lack of stats. |
| 15:13.01 | Arrowmaster | "Wailing Guardsman: Screams of the Past will no longer have multiple applications on a target. Recast time has been increased." |
| 15:13.05 | Arrowmaster | what the fuck |
| 15:13.22 | Arrowmaster | why the fucking nerfs to make the instance easy mode for the scrubs? |
| 15:13.51 | |Jelly| | Wait ... |
| 15:13.56 | |Jelly| | they nerfed SFK?? |
| 15:13.59 | |Jelly| | Really? ROFL |
| 15:14.20 | Lopeppeppy | They've nerfed most lower level things. |
| 15:14.24 | |Jelly| | "The Black Heart: This item’s animation has been changed and no longer resembles Hand of Protection." THANK GOD |
| 15:14.29 | |Jelly| | Freaked me out EVERY TIME |
| 15:15.03 | olafski | preparing SFK for cataclysm, |jelly| :P |
| 15:16.05 | Arrowmaster | "Fel Armor: This spell was unable to set off trinkets and other effects. That has been corrected." |
| 15:16.26 | Arrowmaster | so do i really need to get that healing trinket from direbrew? |
| 15:18.09 | Zergreth | is there a way to tell string.format() in which order it has to use its arguments? lets say i got the following: string.format("%s %s %s2 %s1", "lol", "toast", "pie", "cookies"); then i want the output to be "pie cookies toast lol" |
| 15:18.25 | Zergreth | i know it doesnt work that way, but is there a way to achieve that exact same thing? |
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| 15:25.00 | zenzelezz | I'm amused by VideoLAN's site saying my random mirror is "Not too far away", when in fact it chose one in New Zealand... now it's true that the other side of the world isn't "that'" far away anymore, but I expected at least a European mirror |
| 15:28.11 | Lothaer | o man stupid curse client lol |
| 15:28.42 | Lothaer | just clicked update on LittleWigs and it overwrite my changes /facepalm |
| 15:29.01 | Zergreth | ;p |
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| 15:29.07 | Zergreth | thats why i dont use any update clients |
| 15:29.27 | Lothaer | meh |
| 15:29.41 | Lothaer | their good for patch days thats about it really |
| 15:30.43 | Zergreth | for me, it would actually take longer to update my addons using some kind of updater |
| 15:30.59 | Zergreth | i changed the code of almost all the addons i use |
| 15:31.02 | Lopeppeppy | I prefer to do it by hand. No updaters for me. |
| 15:31.06 | Zergreth | most of them are altered in some way |
| 15:31.11 | Zergreth | Lopeppeppy, same here |
| 15:31.31 | Zergreth | i usually run diff on the old and new version if its something i changed in the past |
| 15:31.43 | Zergreth | then check what i changed and copy the changes to the new file |
| 15:32.18 | Lothaer | the only changes ive made was to make the Raid Warnings more detailed lol |
| 15:32.29 | Lothaer | ie DEEP BREAT GET TO THE EDGES NOW!!!!! |
| 15:32.36 | Lothaer | BREATH* |
| 15:33.02 | Lothaer | i actually hope BigWigs gets updated with Ony soon :D |
| 15:33.31 | Lothaer | thats only if the old version is useless |
| 15:34.00 | Lothaer | i might dl it now and test when the servers come up :D |
| 15:36.32 | Gnarfoz | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.49 | Gnarfoz | (and in the addon list, it shows as modified, too, even before you update. so... /facepalm) |
| 15:38.18 | Lothaer | i know it was just easier to blame the program mate lol |
| 15:38.41 | zenzelezz | Gnarfoz: dialog exhaustion |
| 15:38.54 | Zergreth | its always easier to blame somebody else :D |
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| 15:39.33 | Stanzilla | I blame Gnarfoz |
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| 15:39.39 | Gnarfoz | espescially if it's the updater program of a "competing" site, right |
| 15:40.05 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: I want cookies |
| 15:40.10 | zenzelezz | bah, it was "dialog box fatigue"... http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2006/05/26/608007.aspx |
| 15:40.30 | Stanzilla | Gnarfoz: nah, I only have frikadellen |
| 15:40.38 | Gnarfoz | Stanzilla: lecker |
| 15:41.34 | Zergreth | Gnarfoz: durchaus |
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| 16:01.26 | Fisker | slaps Stanzilla around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:01.26 | Fisker | slaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:01.51 | Stanzilla | noes |
| 16:01.59 | Fisker | yeeeeeeees |
| 16:03.22 | Fisker | brrs |
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| 16:04.23 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa-dear. |
| 16:04.28 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:04.41 | Lunessa | Morning Lopeppeppy. *snuggles* |
| 16:05.27 | Fisker | don't make me come up there |
| 16:05.45 | Zergreth | slapping-spree, eh? |
| 16:05.58 | Fisker | maybe |
| 16:06.20 | Zergreth | well |
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| 16:06.28 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, dont' make me give you good karma |
| 16:06.32 | Zergreth | lets find out then, eh? |
| 16:07.09 | Fisker | i'm sorry :( |
| 16:07.25 | Zergreth | there are usually some easy-to-detect symptoms..do you have a trout ready near you? |
| 16:07.42 | Zergreth | say, in your hand, on a table or something |
| 16:07.52 | Zergreth | next to your keyboard? ;p |
| 16:09.53 | Zergreth | Fisker? afk, looking for more trouts? :D |
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| 16:12.56 | Zergreth | meh, whatever |
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| 16:14.22 | Bruners | haste: VT osv |
| 16:15.03 | Shirik|Ghost | "The webpage at http://www.google.com/ might be temporarily down or it may have moved permanently to a new web address." |
| 16:15.12 | Shirik|Ghost | Something tells me this is my school's fault and not google's |
| 16:15.30 | Zergreth | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
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| 16:16.01 | Shirik | I don't think that's necessary |
| 16:16.20 | Zergreth | i dont think so either, but whatever :D |
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| 16:16.36 | NightHawkAtWork | shouldn't someone change the topic, it's WELL past tlapd. |
| 16:16.42 | Zergreth | i wonder why your school would block google though |
| 16:16.52 | Zergreth | NightHawkAtWork, its always pirate day! |
| 16:17.02 | NightHawkAtWork | ... i can buy that. |
| 16:17.16 | NightHawkAtWork | ... arr. |
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| 16:17.36 | Zergreth | aye! |
| 16:17.48 | Zergreth | Shirik, got access to cmd.exe? |
| 16:18.04 | Shirik | screw cmd.exe |
| 16:18.14 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr. |
| 16:18.18 | Shirik | bash all the way |
| 16:18.31 | Zergreth | i just wanted to know if you could still access google by ip |
| 16:18.33 | Zergreth | ;D |
| 16:18.36 | NightHawkAtWork | (cue some comment about zsh/ksh/csh) |
| 16:18.46 | dardack | just curious if I have this right, if i don't specify a specific license my addons are ARR automatically? |
| 16:18.57 | NightHawkAtWork | dardack: correct. |
| 16:19.05 | Zergreth | what the hell is arr? |
| 16:19.10 | dardack | ok wanted to make sure |
| 16:19.10 | Lopeppeppy | all rights reserved |
| 16:19.10 | NightHawkAtWork | All Rights Reserved |
| 16:19.14 | Zergreth | oh |
| 16:19.18 | dardack | someone asked if i could upload to curse |
| 16:19.18 | Zergreth | thanks! :D |
| 16:19.21 | NightHawkAtWork | to be sure, that applies to nearly everything created, not merely addons |
| 16:19.26 | dardack | so it makes me choose a license when uploading |
| 16:19.37 | dardack | and i'm like i think it's ARR but wanted to verify |
| 16:19.54 | Lunessa | dardack: Just specify ARR. It's your code. |
| 16:20.11 | dardack | when uploading, but i don't specify in the comments or in a text file, should i do that? |
| 16:20.15 | NightHawkAtWork | so, Top Pot donuts = win. |
| 16:20.29 | NightHawkAtWork | you can, but no real need |
| 16:20.34 | dardack | ok cool |
| 16:20.48 | dardack | thanks |
| 16:20.58 | NightHawkAtWork | If no license is specified, ARR is assumed. It's the "default" permissions for any created work, really |
| 16:24.14 | Fisker | lol |
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| 16:27.06 | ArrowmasterClass | NightHawkAtWork: zsh > * |
| 16:27.38 | NightHawkAtWork | ArrowmasterClass: thank you. :) |
| 16:28.23 | Fisker | Windows 7 retails for 3 time the price i paid during their preorder deal :D |
| 16:28.46 | A-KO^^ | Fisker: OEM ftw :P |
| 16:28.57 | NightHawkAtWork | windows 7 retails for like 300 times the price of osx 10.6... |
| 16:29.12 | A-KO^^ | fwiw snow leopard is a $30 service pack |
| 16:29.28 | NightHawkAtWork | maybe, but it's also a $30 full OS disk |
| 16:29.38 | Lopeppeppy | I've seen a $30 Windows 7 offer. |
| 16:29.46 | A-KO^^ | but you can build your own full windows SP disk also :P |
| 16:29.49 | A-KO^^ | and include any apps you want |
| 16:29.50 | A-KO^^ | lol |
| 16:29.57 | NightHawkAtWork | sure, but you have to own it first. |
| 16:30.12 | A-KO^^ | you have to own leopard also to use snow leopard, but it's implied, since it only works on a mac |
| 16:30.15 | A-KO^^ | by default |
| 16:30.19 | NightHawkAtWork | no, you don't |
| 16:30.25 | nevcairiel | NightHawkAtWork, except that mac os x only comes in upgrade versions, since you are not allowed it to run it on foreign hardware, and you can't get their hardware without OS |
| 16:30.34 | NightHawkAtWork | the snow lepard dvds are -full- installs. no prior os is required |
| 16:30.44 | nevcairiel | sure, but the license is that way |
| 16:30.45 | A-KO^^ | NightHawkAtWork: read what nevcairiel stated |
| 16:31.03 | A-KO^^ | it's implied that you already OWN a copy of OSX if you're buying snow leopard |
| 16:31.05 | NightHawkAtWork | nevcairiel: i was mostly being hyperbolic anyway :P |
| 16:31.06 | nevcairiel | a windows upgrade version is probably the same dvd, but with a different license |
| 16:31.19 | durcyn | nevcairiel: no |
| 16:31.44 | A-KO^^ | windows upgrades take different keys, and install in different manners, and have a different license. |
| 16:32.27 | NightHawkAtWork | nevcairiel: but really, how many of us here always follow the letter of os licenses anyway >.> |
| 16:32.27 | A-KO^^ | With Vista/7, you can't even use an upgrade disk to do a full, clean install |
| 16:32.27 | Fisker | NightHawkAtWork nah it's a $30 upgrade to a $30000 PC |
| 16:32.27 | Zergreth | i hate rapidshare >.< |
| 16:32.27 | durcyn | anyway, why are you arguing about shit that doesn't matter |
| 16:32.27 | Zergreth | stupid limited download rates |
| 16:32.37 | durcyn | so much wargarbling today |
| 16:32.46 | A-KO^^ | http://xkcd.com/386/ < this is why, durcyn |
| 16:32.49 | nevcairiel | NightHawkAtWork, i do, at least when it comes to the OS itself. i use it 24/7, so i could at least buy it =p |
| 16:32.56 | nevcairiel | actually, i switched to linux now |
| 16:33.02 | nevcairiel | but i own all my windows =P |
| 16:33.13 | durcyn | A-KO^^: i stopped reading xkcd when munroe started drawing vaginas |
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| 16:33.31 | A-KO^^ | durcyn: it's probably the only xkcd comic worth anything |
| 16:33.41 | ArrowmasterClass | what are teh different win7 versions? |
| 16:33.56 | Lopeppeppy | I think there's 2, with and without IE |
| 16:34.08 | nevcairiel | nah, they scrapped the no-IE version |
| 16:34.10 | NightHawkAtWork | Lopeppeppy: man, we should be so lucky |
| 16:34.15 | NightHawkAtWork | there's like 6, all with ie. |
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| 16:34.19 | Zergreth | isnt there shit like home, business and the like? |
| 16:34.29 | nevcairiel | Home Premium, Professional, Ultimate |
| 16:34.32 | Zergreth | baby, kiddie, starter, premium, nerd, ultra, ultimate, whatever? |
| 16:34.32 | nevcairiel | are the common versions |
| 16:34.33 | NightHawkAtWork | home, home premium, pro, ultimate, and i think one more below home |
| 16:34.34 | Zergreth | yea, like that |
| 16:34.48 | NightHawkAtWork | like 'starter' or some bullshit |
| 16:34.50 | Zergreth | yea |
| 16:34.56 | ArrowmasterClass | ah i found it |
| 16:34.57 | Zergreth | seven starter, for developing countries...and netbooks |
| 16:34.58 | ArrowmasterClass | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions |
| 16:34.59 | nevcairiel | starter is some silly shit they probably give away for free |
| 16:35.00 | nevcairiel | or something |
| 16:35.11 | ArrowmasterClass | boo no free copy of ultimate for me |
| 16:35.13 | nevcairiel | home basic is for "emerging markets" |
| 16:35.16 | Slafsinaggghg | the awesome starter version that can only run 3 applications and have a maximum screen resolution or some insane crap :D |
| 16:35.17 | Zergreth | isnt starter supposed to be the netbook seven? |
| 16:35.21 | ArrowmasterClass | only free copies of professional |
| 16:35.24 | NightHawkAtWork | nevcairiel: nah, they wont give anything away for free |
| 16:35.30 | Zergreth | Slafsinaggghg, they actually scrapped the application limit i think |
| 16:35.33 | A-KO^^ | I've got ultimate on my netbook atm |
| 16:35.36 | A-KO^^ | (what I'm on right now) |
| 16:35.38 | Zergreth | hm |
| 16:35.39 | A-KO^^ | it's running great |
| 16:35.41 | Zergreth | oh well |
| 16:35.42 | Zergreth | whatever |
| 16:35.42 | Slafsinaggghg | good, it's retarded :) |
| 16:35.49 | A-KO^^ | Asus EEE 1000HE, upgraded to 2G of ram |
| 16:35.52 | A-KO^^ | running win7 ultimate |
| 16:35.54 | nevcairiel | NightHawkAtWork, pre-installed on systems that don't ship with a real win7 license :P |
| 16:35.56 | A-KO^^ | I get a whole 2.0 on WEI |
| 16:35.59 | nevcairiel | like a trial :D |
| 16:36.07 | NightHawkAtWork | nevcairiel: hah |
| 16:36.07 | A-KO^^ | buying vista right now gets you a 7 upgrade license, just an FYI |
| 16:36.18 | Zergreth | they give their shit away free on msdn anyway |
| 16:36.31 | NightHawkAtWork | nah, someone still pays MS for it. its just not the end-user. |
| 16:36.32 | nevcairiel | yeah i got professional licenses from MSDNAA |
| 16:36.35 | nevcairiel | not that i use it |
| 16:36.42 | Zergreth | gosh |
| 16:36.47 | Zergreth | i seriously need to register |
| 16:36.49 | ArrowmasterClass | ultimate rc was on msdnaa last week |
| 16:36.51 | A-KO^^ | attend one of the millions of MS business events |
| 16:37.13 | A-KO^^ | you get free shit |
| 16:37.13 | A-KO^^ | the server 2008 r2 launch is likely to include a free copy of win7 |
| 16:37.27 | Zergreth | the only thing i hate about switching your OS is that you have to adapt to the new one |
| 16:37.29 | Zergreth | i dont like thatg |
| 16:37.31 | Zergreth | *that |
| 16:37.40 | Zergreth | even if most of it is still the same..the bugs are different! :/ |
| 16:37.48 | NightHawkAtWork | i actually like that... but i have this wierd fascination with tinkering with os settings |
| 16:37.51 | A-KO^^ | I live to adapt :P |
| 16:38.05 | Zergreth | when stuff suddenly dies or stops working on my xp machine, i know "ahh, this and that is fucked" and then i can fix it |
| 16:38.09 | Zergreth | on a new os..well, fuck |
| 16:38.21 | Slafsinaggghg | well, fuck, shit stops working less |
| 16:38.27 | A-KO^^ | my shit doesn't stop working |
| 16:38.31 | A-KO^^ | short of hardware failure |
| 16:38.32 | Slafsinaggghg | same |
| 16:38.38 | Lopeppeppy | smirks. |
| 16:38.57 | A-KO^^ | hmmmm |
| 16:39.11 | Zergreth | well, i dunno about vista and seven, but shit tends to die on xp |
| 16:39.11 | Zergreth | without any hardware failures |
| 16:39.28 | Zergreth | "best" i had so far was killing windows entirely just after reinstalling it |
| 16:39.34 | A-KO^^ | doesn't happen to me |
| 16:39.44 | Zergreth | downloaded sp2 from the windows update service. failed to boot after installation |
| 16:39.56 | A-KO^^ | considering sp2 isn't the latest anymore :P you should be on sp3 :P |
| 16:40.14 | Zergreth | on a side note, that was a year or two ago |
| 16:40.31 | A-KO^^ | I dunno I don't have such problems or failures. All of my OS installs go cleanly |
| 16:41.13 | haste | Bruners: er på vt osv! |
| 16:41.16 | Zergreth | well, yea, basically |
| 16:41.26 | Zergreth | but there are still problems |
| 16:41.49 | Zergreth | i got two partitions. my os is not installed on my boot partition though |
| 16:41.57 | Zergreth | the boot files are stored on my games partition |
| 16:42.12 | Zergreth | a week or so ago, windows booted just fine, but it didnt recognize the games partition anymore |
| 16:42.35 | Zergreth | it was listed as "unkown" in the hdd management window |
| 16:42.40 | Zergreth | fucking weird |
| 16:42.42 | durcyn | the xp installer has never not fucked up partitions |
| 16:42.56 | Zergreth | worked again after a reboot though |
| 16:43.10 | nevcairiel | at least vista finally uses the WinPE environment for installs, its so much smoother |
| 16:43.13 | Zergreth | i hate how windows handles partitions |
| 16:43.25 | Zergreth | i got a bootable linux cd with gparted with me in case i need it |
| 16:43.25 | Slafsinaggghg | partitions are basically evil anyway |
| 16:43.40 | NightHawkAtWork | http://ha.ckers.org/blog/20090918/what-star-trek-predicts-about-the-future-of-information-security/ |
| 16:43.41 | Zergreth | well, not always, but its usually around.. |
| 16:43.44 | durcyn | partitions are fine, drive letters are moronic |
| 16:43.53 | Zergreth | ;p |
| 16:43.59 | Slafsinaggghg | evil! |
| 16:44.25 | nevcairiel | you don't have to use them, well, you have to use one letter, everything else can be mounted as directories, in ntfs anyway =P |
| 16:44.51 | Zergreth | fuck ntfs D: |
| 16:45.04 | Zergreth | i got a fat32 partition, im dual-booting xp and ms-dos 7.1 right now |
| 16:45.44 | nevcairiel | ntfs isnt a bad file system, the only two "bads" about it are, that the spec is closed, and that it doesnt do posix access rights |
| 16:46.09 | Zergreth | see! that makes it bad! D: |
| 16:46.25 | nevcairiel | fat32 is alot worse :P |
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| 16:46.29 | Zergreth | well, true |
| 16:46.30 | Bruners | haste: yy, you came just as i said it, both kai and stein wanted you there |
| 16:46.30 | Zergreth | :D |
| 16:46.39 | nevcairiel | i have so many files that i couldnt even store on a fat32 partition |
| 16:46.40 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 16:46.47 | haste | Bruners: oh :P |
| 16:46.50 | Zergreth | hey, you seven-users, i got a question. how well does this virtual xp thingy work? |
| 16:46.54 | A-KO^^ | posix access rights blow |
| 16:46.58 | A-KO^^ | even modern linux kernels support ACLs |
| 16:47.10 | A-KO^^ | which are FAR more configurable |
| 16:47.21 | nevcairiel | sure they do, but you don't have to use them if the posix rights are enough for your use-case |
| 16:47.43 | nevcairiel | which, in most cases, they are |
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| 16:48.27 | A-KO^^ | yes but under any sort of complex, multi-user setup, posix rights are a pain. Because you have to end up having to create groups for everything, add users to groups, etc. And in the event of wanting multiple sets of rights for multiple groups, it's a no-go. |
| 16:48.36 | Fisker | i lol'd NightHawkAtWork |
| 16:48.40 | A-KO^^ | it's an outdated system :P |
| 16:48.43 | A-KO^^ | it works on a basic level |
| 16:48.45 | Zergreth | Fisker! |
| 16:48.51 | Zergreth | lets get back to your trout problem! |
| 16:48.53 | A-KO^^ | but if you need complicated directory rights for fileservers and whatnot, it's a pain |
| 16:48.55 | nevcairiel | thats why we have ACLs since a long time already |
| 16:49.01 | durcyn | this is why posix extended acls exist |
| 16:49.15 | nevcairiel | but for most desktops default posix rights are enough |
| 16:50.03 | A-KO^^ | I prefer NTFS' way of doing things :P though I can work with both. |
| 16:50.26 | nevcairiel | NTFS just doesnt support the posix rights, and only ACLs .. how is that better? |
| 16:50.29 | nevcairiel | it lacks one feature :P |
| 16:50.35 | A-KO^^ | there you go :P |
| 16:50.56 | durcyn | `msn setfacl', the end |
| 16:51.01 | nevcairiel | considering that all modern *nix file systems support ACLs as well, its simply better to offer both =p |
| 16:51.02 | durcyn | s/msn/man/ |
| 16:52.05 | A-KO^^ | eh nevcairiel, I would imagine that most problems with any of those are created anyway :P you know, creating private keys that are world readable, etc :P |
| 16:52.35 | nevcairiel | and windows doesnt create files world-readable by default? |
| 16:52.38 | nevcairiel | oh wait, it does |
| 16:52.54 | A-KO^^ | no, it does :P just saying it's usually a user problem |
| 16:52.56 | A-KO^^ | not an os problem |
| 16:52.58 | durcyn | does windows even have an analog to umask |
| 16:53.03 | A-KO^^ | no |
| 16:53.08 | durcyn | phbpbpt. |
| 16:53.15 | nevcairiel | it inherits parents folders rights |
| 16:53.23 | nevcairiel | but thats all you can do |
| 16:53.25 | nevcairiel | pretty much |
| 16:53.42 | A-KO^^ | lunch time yay |
| 16:53.49 | A-KO^^ | for the record |
| 16:53.57 | A-KO^^ | the entire windows unattended install/sysprep process is a fucking nightmare |
| 16:54.00 | nevcairiel | dinner time! |
| 16:54.05 | A-KO^^ | so it's one of the few things I hate about Windows :P |
| 16:54.41 | Tepel | The only unattended method I know is imaging |
| 16:55.56 | A-KO^^ | Tepel: sysprep on xp resets network settings, so any wifi settings are lost when you sysprep....in addition to that, if the default options were to have access to wmp/ie, etc, then sysprep will place wmp icons directly on the desktop and in the start menu... |
| 16:56.08 | A-KO^^ | the only way to change that is to unattend.txt the whole thing :P |
| 16:56.14 | A-KO^^ | and then sysprep off of that |
| 16:56.23 | ScytheBlade1 | that's what unattend.txt is for! |
| 16:56.41 | ScytheBlade1 | second, stop using XP, go vista or 7 and start using WDS with the WIM format |
| 16:56.52 | A-KO^^ | ScytheBlade1: I would if it was my decision |
| 16:56.55 | Cide | s/vista or 7/7/ |
| 16:56.56 | A-KO^^ | sadly, it's not :P |
| 16:57.03 | ScytheBlade1 | haha, sucker. |
| 16:57.04 | ScytheBlade1 | :) |
| 16:57.17 | nevcairiel | that reminds me .. my old school was too lazy to do sysprep/unattend, so they just imaged a system and mirrored that |
| 16:57.23 | Lopeppeppy | Why am I having a 2 hour meeting with someone tomorrow, when they have nothing prepared for it? *bangs head on desk a lot* |
| 16:57.40 | nevcairiel | it was kinda funny watching them trying to figure out why the comps got always thrown out of the active directory |
| 16:57.44 | ArrowmasterClass | nevcairiel: lots of places do that |
| 16:57.47 | A-KO^^ | nevcairiel: that's what I'm doing and likely to continue to do as it maintains settings the best. It doesn't clear the event log and system history but that's not too big of a deal. |
| 16:58.00 | A-KO^^ | nevcairiel: ghost has a tool called ghostwalker which can be scripted to run over and change the comp name and SID |
| 16:58.18 | nevcairiel | yeah, remember to change the system id, or ADS doesnt like you :P |
| 16:58.41 | A-KO^^ | the only reason I want to use sysprep is because of the run-once post-install functions |
| 16:59.04 | ArrowmasterClass | you can do that with unattended installs |
| 16:59.42 | Lunessa | We use imaging a lot here too. But only for new hardware and laptops which come with identical hardware - then we manually add them to the domain. |
| 16:59.48 | A-KO^^ | yes, you can, but as I stated--when you sysprep the machine, it doesn't recognize unattend.txt, only sysprep.inf (using mini-setup). |
| 17:00.37 | A-KO^^ | the process is -> build unattend.txt, -> install "master" system via unattend.txt settings, -> install applications/whatever else/make other config changes -> sysprep -reseal (-mini) |
| 17:02.11 | A-KO^^ | okay |
| 17:02.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, it is a rather involved process |
| 17:02.13 | A-KO^^ | lunch time :P |
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| 17:02.30 | A-KO^^ | yeah, it's a right pain in the ass |
| 17:02.39 | ScytheBlade1 | also, neat, good to know that my WoW patch downloading script still works |
| 17:02.43 | A-KO^^ | it's a lot easier to just install xp, configure as needed, then ghost + ghostwalker |
| 17:03.00 | A-KO^^ | it's trivial to do that in comparison |
| 17:03.11 | A-KO^^ | because it preserves activation, etc. |
| 17:03.11 | ScytheBlade1 | or quit using old crap, but I mentioned that, etc etc etc, so go to lunch ;) |
| 17:03.15 | A-KO^^ | lol |
| 17:04.13 | Zergreth | xp ftw! |
| 17:04.36 | msoul | What addon that shapes the minimap as square |
| 17:05.17 | nevcairiel | MiniMapster! |
| 17:05.24 | mikma | hehe |
| 17:05.24 | Lopeppeppy | Most of the minimap addons will. |
| 17:05.32 | Lopeppeppy | Sexymap? Is that the sexy one? |
| 17:05.43 | msoul | U have sexymap |
| 17:05.49 | msoul | I |
| 17:06.08 | nevcairiel | sexymap is more into non-conventional skins =p |
| 17:06.26 | msoul | i can show you a vid |
| 17:06.29 | NightHawkAtWork | that almost sounds really lewd, nevcairiel |
| 17:06.31 | msoul | cannot tell which one is it |
| 17:07.02 | Lopeppeppy | I honestly forget what my map is... I can go look! |
| 17:07.15 | nevcairiel | mine is MiniMapster, i know that =p |
| 17:07.37 | Lopeppeppy | Chinchilla |
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| 17:08.10 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 17:08.56 | msoul | Lopeppeppy: i think chinchilla is the one i am after, thanks |
| 17:09.19 | Adys | fucking bs |
| 17:09.24 | Adys | sitting at 25/25 dailies in brd |
| 17:09.34 | msoul | Adys: starting it soon without mining :P |
| 17:09.43 | KarlKFI|work | stupid vending machine beef jerky... being loaded with sodium making me thirsty... next to a soda machine... |
| 17:09.47 | msoul | Blacksmithing! |
| 17:10.59 | Lopeppeppy | Karl, why did you get the jerky then? |
| 17:11.19 | Adys | msoul: starting what? |
| 17:11.20 | Lopeppeppy | msoul, don't thank me, thank Absolute Rayne next time he's around. I love his compilations... |
| 17:11.33 | Lopeppeppy | pounces alestane |
| 17:11.33 | KarlKFI|work | cause i was falling asleep and didn't want soda |
| 17:11.55 | msoul | Lopeppeppy: I sure will =) truly |
| 17:12.10 | alestane | is pouncled upon. |
| 17:12.16 | Lopeppeppy | You spell funny |
| 17:12.18 | KarlKFI|work | maybe i need to go patron starbux |
| 17:12.46 | KarlKFI|work | i blame the book i was reading for me not sleeping much |
| 17:13.25 | Lopeppeppy | Read books only until midnight. Treat yourself like a gremli |
| 17:13.28 | alestane | pouncle: part pounce, part huggle. |
| 17:13.28 | Lopeppeppy | *gremlin |
| 17:13.40 | Lopeppeppy | It's not huggle, it's HOGGLE! |
| 17:13.44 | KarlKFI|work | gremlins sleep at 12? |
| 17:13.50 | msoul | Lopeppeppy: one question.. all my addons are gone the ones attached to it |
| 17:14.07 | msoul | except bartender, no classtimer etc |
| 17:14.36 | Lunessa | KarlKFI|work: DelTaco man, DEL TACO |
| 17:14.49 | Lopeppeppy | I think you have to re-attach them in the chinchilla menu, msoul. |
| 17:14.56 | Lopeppeppy | At least, that makes sense to me. |
| 17:15.01 | Lopeppeppy | Or "show" them. |
| 17:15.11 | msoul | hrm, if i only know how to re-attach them ;) |
| 17:15.17 | KarlKFI|work | nooooo it's taco tuesday! |
| 17:15.23 | KarlKFI|work | now i have to have tacos |
| 17:15.28 | KarlKFI|work | meany Lunessa |
| 17:15.51 | KarlKFI|work | mmm del taco has cherry coke... |
| 17:15.55 | msoul | oi found it |
| 17:15.59 | Lopeppeppy | check the menus for chin and your addons |
| 17:16.03 | Lunessa | KarlKFI|work: I actually grabbed some Del Taco before I left Anaheim. |
| 17:16.32 | KarlKFI|work | oh? did you find it horrible and terrible? |
| 17:16.38 | Lunessa | I regretted it about 3 hours later, but at the time it was like wallowing in sin. |
| 17:16.46 | KarlKFI|work | :-D |
| 17:16.55 | Lunessa | I blame you of course. |
| 17:16.58 | KarlKFI|work | lol |
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| 17:17.12 | msoul | one more addon to go, satrina |
| 17:17.23 | Lopeppeppy | SBF! Woooot. |
| 17:17.23 | KarlKFI|work | yeah it goes right through you.... but it tastes so gooood.... |
| 17:17.46 | Lopeppeppy | ... *just shakes her head* |
| 17:18.11 | Lunessa | See there was this conversation late one night at Dennys about the merits of Del Taco... |
| 17:18.23 | KarlKFI|work | they need to start sellign something with fiber in it |
| 17:18.29 | Lunessa | Haha |
| 17:18.54 | KarlKFI|work | Granola Taco |
| 17:19.44 | KarlKFI|work | Crunchy Taco |
| 17:20.15 | NightHawkAtWork | Anyone here particularly good with javascript/jquery? |
| 17:20.25 | KarlKFI|work | i'm ok with it |
| 17:20.48 | KarlKFI|work | should be fixing a jquery plugin right now |
| 17:21.26 | Lunessa | Mmm... new version of VMWare. |
| 17:21.37 | Lopeppeppy | cardboard taco |
| 17:21.42 | KarlKFI|work | ^^ |
| 17:22.11 | KarlKFI|work | i spose i could just eat the bag it comes in |
| 17:22.29 | Lopeppeppy | There you go, good roughage |
| 17:23.46 | KarlKFI|work | CliffBar Taco |
| 17:23.53 | Lopeppeppy | ... freeze dried for the astronauts |
| 17:24.02 | foxlit | "The Brewfest quests ‘Pink Elekks On Parade’ and ‘Catch the Wild Wolpertinger!’ were removed to ensure that World of Warcraft contains content that complies with regional game rating requirements." |
| 17:24.19 | foxlit | "Teehee, you're 40 tokens down" |
| 17:24.34 | Dagmar | You're kidding |
| 17:24.38 | KarlKFI|work | "regional game rating requirements" where? |
| 17:24.43 | KarlKFI|work | china?? |
| 17:24.44 | foxlit | EU |
| 17:24.45 | NightHawkAtWork | KarlKFI|work: i've got a bit of js/ajax code that creates a new table row and inserts it into a table. but it's not picking up all the styles (text alignment, particularly...) i have no idea why |
| 17:24.57 | Lopeppeppy | China/Korea, I'd guess |
| 17:25.03 | NightHawkAtWork | foxlit: :o |
| 17:25.05 | mikma | <2024> <foxlit> EU |
| 17:25.08 | Dagmar | I'd seriously bitch about that |
| 17:25.08 | KarlKFI|work | are you cloning a row? |
| 17:25.19 | Lunessa | foxlit: Sucks to be an EU player then. |
| 17:25.25 | Dagmar | "eff" China and their requirements |
| 17:25.42 | NightHawkAtWork | KarlKFI|work: no, just creating raw html like $('<tr>.....</tr>') |
| 17:25.45 | foxlit | Meh. The pet is on a vendor, and 40 tokens is 40 tokens. |
| 17:26.36 | Lunessa | the pink elekk pet is on a vendor, but did they put the wolpertinger on there too? |
| 17:26.50 | foxlit | yes, both of them. |
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| 17:26.51 | durcyn | wolpertinger was on the vendor last year |
| 17:27.07 | Lunessa | Nice. |
| 17:27.09 | NightHawkAtWork | hm, hadn't seen the clone method, should try that. |
| 17:27.09 | foxlit | elekk costs tokens, though. |
| 17:27.10 | foxlit | boo! |
| 17:27.12 | Lopeppeppy | Awww, I need a baby oliphant! :) |
| 17:27.18 | Lunessa | I just need 350 more tokens to get the clothing for the achievement. |
| 17:27.24 | Dagmar | I could've sworn the Elekk was 100 tokens last night |
| 17:27.32 | Lunessa | Then another 100 for the Elekk |
| 17:27.40 | ccox | it is 100 for the elekk |
| 17:27.45 | NightHawkAtWork | Lunessa: only thing i need to get the achievement, and my violet drake is killing direbrew... |
| 17:27.47 | Dagmar | So run the beer delivery daily like four times. ;) |
| 17:27.52 | ccox | and 350 for 3 pieces of clothes |
| 17:28.17 | KarlKFI|work | clone(true) i know clones all the events of the object as well. but even just clone() should propegate the table's style |
| 17:28.24 | KarlKFI|work | how is your style defined? |
| 17:28.31 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I run the ram racing and the barking and the "this one time when I was drunk...." quest over and over. |
| 17:28.42 | NightHawkAtWork | in a css file, if thats what you mean |
| 17:28.57 | Lopeppeppy | I really wish that computer werent' so heavy, or that I weren't lsingle! |
| 17:29.11 | KarlKFI|work | table > tbody > tr.class {} ? |
| 17:29.28 | Lunessa | I got "Beer of the Month Club" last night. |
| 17:29.45 | Lunessa | comforts Lopeppeppy. |
| 17:29.47 | KarlKFI|work | does your table have a tbody? |
| 17:29.49 | ArrowmasterClass | Lopeppeppy: my new desktop weighs 50lbs, i really did weigh it |
| 17:30.02 | Dagmar | IBM cases? |
| 17:30.03 | NightHawkAtWork | something like that, I use #tableID td.class {}, but whatever. |
| 17:30.05 | NightHawkAtWork | hm, no. it does't |
| 17:30.09 | NightHawkAtWork | doesn't* |
| 17:30.11 | KarlKFI|work | it should |
| 17:30.16 | NightHawkAtWork | good point. |
| 17:30.24 | Lopeppeppy | ArrowmasterClass, mine isnt' that heavy, but it's heavy enough. |
| 17:30.43 | Dagmar | Fifty pounts is freaking insane for an ATX case |
| 17:31.26 | Thunder_Child | ArrowmasterClass, empty or full? |
| 17:31.34 | Lunessa | I need a new computer. |
| 17:31.34 | ArrowmasterClass | full |
| 17:31.46 | ArrowmasterClass | it has 10 harddrives in it |
| 17:31.51 | KarlKFI|work | lulz |
| 17:32.00 | Dagmar | ...and it's made by IBM? |
| 17:32.07 | ArrowmasterClass | no |
| 17:32.09 | ArrowmasterClass | coolermaster |
| 17:32.25 | Dagmar | They're the only people who seem to think it's a good idea to use so much steel in a case that it makes a 54 Chevy feel inadequte |
| 17:32.27 | ArrowmasterClass | i got another coolermaster stacker case, although the new one is actually smaller than the old one |
| 17:32.47 | KarlKFI|work | hmmm, does rice have fiber? |
| 17:32.58 | KarlKFI|work | nah |
| 17:33.27 | Lopeppeppy | Some, yes |
| 17:33.39 | Lopeppeppy | Brown rice has more than overprocessed white rice. |
| 17:33.51 | Dagmar | Eat the box |
| 17:34.05 | Lopeppeppy | Reference above with the tacos, Karl, it's easier |
| 17:34.06 | KarlKFI|work | black beans have lots of fiber.. |
| 17:34.25 | Lunessa | I'm starving and we're talking about food. I hate you all SO. MUCH. |
| 17:34.53 | Dagmar | Delicious cardboard. |
| 17:35.04 | KarlKFI|work | i'm pretty hungry tooo |
| 17:35.07 | Dagmar | er... ramen |
| 17:35.23 | KarlKFI|work | but i dont think i've gone to lunch before noon more than once in the past year |
| 17:35.24 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, then go eat |
| 17:35.28 | KarlKFI|work | usually it's like 3pm |
| 17:35.34 | Lunessa | I'm considering going down to the campus cafeteria and buying overpriced food. |
| 17:35.50 | Lunessa | But I have to wait until someone else gets back from lunch. |
| 17:36.43 | KarlKFI|work | if i can make it 25 min i'll go eat at 11... |
| 17:37.01 | KarlKFI|work | not that i've done anythign useful at work today |
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| 17:37.55 | Lunessa | And you'll be driving to Del Taco for tacos and a cherry coke? |
| 17:38.00 | KarlKFI|work | i might have to settle for jack tacos |
| 17:38.15 | KarlKFI|work | but maybe deltaco |
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| 17:38.18 | Lunessa | Man, those are not as good. But they're cheap. |
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| 17:38.36 | KarlKFI|work | yeah |
| 17:38.41 | Lopeppeppy | I have some flexibility in when I eat lunch, anytime between 11 and 1, although they prefer 12-1. |
| 17:39.03 | KarlKFI|work | 12-1 blows |
| 17:39.12 | KarlKFI|work | everyone else is out for lunch |
| 17:40.06 | KarlKFI|work | 12:45 works out ok... get in right as people are fleeing the parking lot |
| 17:40.08 | Lunessa | *sigh* Now I get to spend like the next 2-3 hours trying to figure out why some guy's blackberry won't connect to our 802.1x network. They don't pay me enough for this |
| 17:40.54 | KarlKFI|work | i think what i really need is sleep |
| 17:41.07 | KarlKFI|work | or caffine pills |
| 17:44.28 | Lopeppeppy | Sleep is better. |
| 17:45.15 | KarlKFI|work | "With caffeine blocking the adenosine, you have increased neuron firing in the brain. The pituitary gland sees all of the activity and thinks some sort of emergency must be occurring, so it releases hormones that tell the adrenal glands to produce adrenaline (epinephrine)" |
| 17:45.18 | KarlKFI|work | yes please |
| 17:46.55 | Lopeppeppy | Emergencies are hard on the body. Get more sleeps instead. |
| 17:49.39 | Lunessa | Caffeine - It's not just for nerds any more. |
| 17:50.22 | KarlKFI|work | caffine + hour of sleep = wide awake |
| 17:50.36 | A-KO^^ | so this place i just had lunch at actually has a 10lb cheeseburger on the menu |
| 17:50.38 | A-KO^^ | $40 |
| 17:50.51 | KarlKFI|work | oi |
| 17:51.00 | Lopeppeppy | Whatever for? |
| 17:51.08 | A-KO^^ | no clue |
| 17:51.12 | A-KO^^ | I want to buy it just to see how big it is |
| 17:51.17 | KarlKFI|work | i had a large quiznoes yesterday after not eating till 5pm.... i shoulda got a regular |
| 17:52.04 | KarlKFI|work | working hard to become a fat programmer as fast as possible |
| 17:53.16 | Lopeppeppy | Tsk tsk |
| 17:53.56 | KarlKFI|work | and if there's one thing a fat programmer needs... it's caffine |
| 17:54.14 | dardack | i was going to program for a living |
| 17:54.31 | dardack | then life happened and i just followed it |
| 17:55.12 | KarlKFI|work | i have this problem where in after growing up in southern california i never want to leave |
| 17:55.36 | dardack | too hot for me |
| 17:55.38 | dardack | i love fall and winter |
| 17:55.45 | dardack | right now it was 30 yesterday |
| 17:55.47 | dardack | was so nice |
| 17:55.58 | KarlKFI|work | celcius? |
| 17:56.12 | dardack | no f |
| 17:56.14 | Lopeppeppy | Weather is perfect here in new york right now. 70 during the day, 40-50 at night, crispy and clear. |
| 17:56.24 | KarlKFI|work | 30f is WAY too cold |
| 17:56.25 | dardack | Lopeppeppy: yea i'm up in mountains tho in NY |
| 17:56.33 | dardack | so it dips to the high 20's |
| 17:56.44 | dardack | but yea i love the weather in NY |
| 17:56.49 | KarlKFI|work | I have my air conditioner set to 76 |
| 17:56.51 | dardack | just taxes kill me retiring to NH |
| 17:57.01 | dardack | my thermostat during winter doesn't go over 60 |
| 17:57.18 | dardack | and my ac doesn't go above 62 (only cause it won't go down to 60) |
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| 17:57.31 | kd3 | +TRANSFER_ABORT_MAP_NOT_ALLOWED = "Map cannot be entered at this time."; |
| 17:57.31 | kd3 | ? |
| 17:57.31 | KarlKFI|work | if it goes down to 70 i use a blanket |
| 17:57.42 | dardack | that's crazy |
| 17:58.00 | Lopeppeppy | We'll get down to freezing soon enough, sad but true. |
| 17:58.16 | dardack | i remember my wife and I took a vaca to FL begining of Dec (btw awesome time to go no one there) we were in T-shirts and shrots, sometimes sweeting (at least me) and those people were in pants/sweatshirts and still cold |
| 17:58.18 | dardack | crazy |
| 17:58.30 | KarlKFI|work | sometimes i put my air conditioner down to 70 just so i can cuddle up witha book under a blanket |
| 17:58.37 | dardack | but i've been to south CA, it's ok, nice weather, i would just miss the cold |
| 17:59.14 | Lopeppeppy | I keep it 80 in the summer (hate to be cold) and sadly, 65 in the winter. |
| 17:59.29 | A-KO^^ | dardack: haha @ fl, that reminds me of when I went a few years ago in March |
| 17:59.40 | A-KO^^ | I left Baltimore, it was snowing, I had a heavy coat--got to FL and put on shorts. |
| 17:59.48 | A-KO^^ | and these people I met were shivering in jackets |
| 17:59.51 | dardack | i know |
| 17:59.54 | dardack | they crazy |
| 17:59.56 | dardack | heh |
| 18:00.00 | KarlKFI|work | when it gets down to 66 i have to wear shoes |
| 18:00.07 | Lopeppeppy | Oh noes |
| 18:00.12 | KarlKFI|work | oh noes! |
| 18:00.14 | dardack | na my cuz moved from NY to Georgia, he's become one of those people now |
| 18:00.15 | Lopeppeppy | It's only 60 in my office right now. |
| 18:00.22 | dardack | i wish it was 60 in my office |
| 18:00.27 | dardack | i got like 3 fans on me |
| 18:00.28 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: that's pretty crowded |
| 18:00.30 | dardack | think it's like 70 |
| 18:00.43 | A-KO^^ | it's probably around 75 in here |
| 18:00.47 | KarlKFI|work | we have the air on, it's about 70 in the office. |
| 18:01.06 | KarlKFI|work | 68 and i start shivering |
| 18:01.25 | Lopeppeppy | crowded? |
| 18:01.46 | KarlKFI|work | um... cubicles |
| 18:01.50 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: word play... 60 people |
| 18:01.55 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. |
| 18:02.30 | dardack | need to get my brew barrel delivery on |
| 18:02.45 | KarlKFI|work | slaps zenzelezz with a frozen trout. |
| 18:02.46 | dardack | wish i had known about 310% mount sooner i gots to wait for easter now |
| 18:03.13 | A-KO^^ | there's no way I can finish brewfest before the week's out |
| 18:03.14 | A-KO^^ | just no way |
| 18:03.28 | Lopeppeppy | Easter bunny mount? |
| 18:03.36 | A-KO^^ | it's 350 tokens for all the gear, I don't think I can get the 290 or so that I need in order to get that achievement |
| 18:03.51 | dardack | it's 550 total |
| 18:03.56 | dardack | unless you don't have mount then its 552 |
| 18:03.58 | A-KO^^ | you sure? |
| 18:04.05 | A-KO^^ | I thought it was 350 |
| 18:04.05 | dardack | but aparantly unless they fixed it you can do it with 350 |
| 18:04.10 | A-KO^^ | 200 for one, 100 for the other, 50 for the hat |
| 18:04.15 | dardack | but the clothes do the dal ach, turn in |
| 18:04.21 | dardack | sell clothes back |
| 18:04.33 | dardack | i meant total, 350 for clothes, 200 for brew of mnth |
| 18:04.58 | A-KO^^ | oh |
| 18:05.02 | A-KO^^ | it's 2 weeks long |
| 18:05.04 | dardack | so once i hit 350 i'm gonna see if that's true |
| 18:05.08 | A-KO^^ | nevermind I thought it was one week |
| 18:05.16 | dardack | yea i'm nervous about valentines and halloween |
| 18:05.21 | dardack | halloween you need the pet/helm |
| 18:05.28 | dardack | and you need to get all the costumes |
| 18:05.35 | dardack | and with valentines you need the candy bags |
| 18:05.39 | dardack | so it's double RNG |
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| 18:05.58 | dardack | 1 from the innkeeper once an hour, hope you get candy bag, then hoep you make one of the candes you need |
| 18:06.26 | dardack | wish i had started earlier on my DK |
| 18:06.33 | nevcairiel | i never got *one* candybag, and i ran there like at least 60% of all available cooldowns |
| 18:06.38 | kd3 | ho... wow. some realms are up already |
| 18:06.40 | dardack | but i didn't know there was a 310% mount |
| 18:06.41 | nevcairiel | after that event i stopped trying. |
| 18:06.57 | dardack | well i got the ram last nite |
| 18:07.01 | dardack | and i say the ram/kodo/ram drop |
| 18:07.08 | dardack | and my pally friend won both first drops |
| 18:07.15 | dardack | at least i won the third |
| 18:07.42 | durcyn | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=260474255847 |
| 18:10.24 | kd3 | yay, my realm's up more-or-less on time |
| 18:10.26 | kd3 | huzzah |
| 18:10.45 | kd3 | , for once, remembers to check load out of date before logging in |
| 18:10.55 | nevcairiel | i can never do that |
| 18:11.04 | Lopeppeppy | Yay, kd3!! |
| 18:11.28 | Lopeppeppy | showers kd3 with balloons and confetti. |
| 18:12.08 | dardack | grats to you still waiting on mine |
| 18:12.16 | dardack | wanna see if i can pug 25 ony |
| 18:12.28 | dardack | anyone know if the mount is 25 man only and is it still on a 5 day timer or weekly? |
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| 18:21.17 | dardack | looks like all but mine is up |
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| 18:25.27 | NightHawkAtWork | your realm sucks. my realm could beat up your realm. :p |
| 18:25.46 | Lunessa | hate blackberry so much |
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| 18:30.36 | dardack | NightHawkAtWork: totally true |
| 18:30.51 | dardack | just want mine to be up so i can get my tokens |
| 18:30.56 | dardack | and the heroic daily |
| 18:31.34 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, thats prolly what Lopeppeppy is thinking right now |
| 18:35.18 | Lunessa | Apparently the Bold, the Curve and probably the Storm won't connect to our WiFi without installing a certificate via the desktop software. A certificate we don't make available. And I'm getting tons of grief from students who want to use the network with those phones. |
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| 18:35.47 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, that sucks Lunessa! |
| 18:35.53 | AbsolutRayne | ZzZz |
| 18:36.01 | Lopeppeppy | TC, why do i hate my blackberry? |
| 18:36.33 | Lunessa | RIM's answer to the issue is that we should install their Enterprise server. |
| 18:37.02 | AbsolutRayne | wishes for a better ISP |
| 18:37.22 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 18:38.29 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: Rawr |
| 18:38.52 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, AbsolutRayne. |
| 18:39.02 | AbsolutRayne | Hiya' |
| 18:39.04 | Shirik | why can't you release that cert Lunessa? |
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| 18:39.11 | Shirik | Surely anyone with a brain could get it anyway |
| 18:39.39 | Shirik | btw |
| 18:39.44 | Shirik | Storm doesn't connect to wifi...? |
| 18:39.55 | dardack | yeah my realm is on the list for more maintenance |
| 18:39.55 | Lopeppeppy | To THEIR wifi. |
| 18:40.04 | Shirik | it doesn't connect to any wifi |
| 18:40.10 | Shirik | there's no hardware for it |
| 18:40.17 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, nvm me then..i misread something |
| 18:40.44 | smcn | "Drums of Forgotten Kings" haha, i love the connotation of that name. they need to make one of those for every paladin blessing tbh. |
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| 18:41.35 | Lunessa | Shirik: I quit looking, but assumed the Storm |
| 18:41.45 | nevcairiel | he is right though, storm has no wifi |
| 18:41.53 | Shirik | I have a storm, I think I would know nevcairiel :P |
| 18:42.00 | Shirik | it annoys me |
| 18:42.41 | nevcairiel | curve and bold do, though. are there any blackberrys that actually can connect to your wifi then? :P |
| 18:43.14 | Shirik | Maybe I'm confused but what is this certificate for? |
| 18:43.15 | Lunessa | And the cert server is not publicly accessible so the user can't get their own cert, and I don't know what's going to need to be done for use to release one people can use. |
| 18:43.31 | Shirik | I assumed it was for server verification |
| 18:43.37 | Lunessa | it is |
| 18:43.40 | Shirik | but if it's for client authentication then yeah, but that doesn't really make much sense |
| 18:43.55 | Shirik | for server verification, then, the cert should be transmitted whenever you connect... |
| 18:44.34 | Shirik | but I guess I'm not thinking about the problem enough |
| 18:44.35 | Shirik | you would know more |
| 18:44.44 | Shirik | however |
| 18:44.50 | Shirik | in a few decades, your cert will be meaningless! |
| 18:44.58 | Shirik | rawr quantum computing |
| 18:45.34 | NightHawkAtWork | I think in a few decades, he wont really care too much :) |
| 18:45.48 | Shirik | :P |
| 18:46.11 | Shirik | One of my students is trying to claim that the errors in their electric circuit were due to parallax |
| 18:46.25 | Lopeppeppy | Bet he can make the kessel run too. |
| 18:47.30 | NightHawkAtWork | see, i would have blamed my malfunctioning heisenburg compensators. |
| 18:47.55 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
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| 18:51.56 | Bruners | Sigil of Virulence, is this working on Death Strikes or is it for the next patch ? |
| 18:53.10 | dardack | i thought it was supposed to be this patch but ntohign in the notes |
| 18:53.25 | Shirik | 3.2.2 out? |
| 18:53.28 | dardack | yep |
| 18:53.32 | dardack | ony revamped tonite |
| 18:53.41 | dardack | today |
| 18:53.43 | dardack | w/e |
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| 18:56.02 | Hirsute | ... |
| 18:56.17 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 18:56.20 | Hirsute | My Beast Mastery hunter is not amused. |
| 18:56.42 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:56.44 | Hirsute | The Beast Within/Bestial Wrath reduced to 10 seconds. |
| 18:57.25 | Hirsute | They think they've made up for it by making it so that having the talent gives a passive 10% damage bonus, but it still will end up being yet another nerf on BM hunters. |
| 18:57.53 | Hirsute | Me thinks. |
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| 18:58.58 | Cide | what's the uptime % of TBW? |
| 18:59.08 | Cide | and damage increase? |
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| 18:59.46 | Hirsute | Uptime now is 10 seconds. |
| 18:59.47 | Hirsute | Hold on. |
| 19:00.51 | Cide | uptime % |
| 19:01.02 | Hirsute | When your pet is under the effects of Bestial Wrath, you also go into a rage causing 10% additional damage and reducing mana costs of all spells by 20% for 18 secs. While enraged you do not feel pity or remorse or fear and you cannot be stopped unless killed. |
| 19:01.29 | Cide | and BW has a cd of 120 sec |
| 19:01.34 | Hirsute | 2 min cooldown, was 18 secs up, now 10 secs. |
| 19:01.36 | Hirsute | *nod* |
| 19:01.42 | alestane | Oh. Wow. There was apparently a nap lurking in the house. |
| 19:02.03 | Hirsute | lua>18/120 |
| 19:02.03 | lua_bot | Hirsute: 0.15 |
| 19:02.15 | Hirsute | 12% now, versus 15% before. |
| 19:02.19 | Cide | so uptime = 18/120 (previously), average damage dmg increase = 18/120*10% |
| 19:02.40 | Hirsute | Understand, however, that the damage buff wasn't necessarily what BM hunters wanted the talent for. |
| 19:02.40 | Cide | now, we get 10/120*10% + 10% (all the time) |
| 19:02.56 | Cide | lua> 18/120*10, 10/120*10 + 10 |
| 19:02.56 | lua_bot | Cide: 1.5, 10.833333333333 |
| 19:03.23 | Cide | it appears the later talent is a lot better |
| 19:03.31 | Hirsute | A *lot* of us wanted that talent for the 18 secocnds of "do not feel pity or remorse or fear and cannot be stopped unless killed" |
| 19:03.36 | Cide | no kidding |
| 19:03.44 | Cide | it's obviously a nerf to burst damage |
| 19:03.57 | Cide | that's what they're nerfing |
| 19:04.22 | Hirsute | And from my point of view, one of the most irksome aspects is the reduction by almost 50% to the fear immunity. |
| 19:04.24 | Cide | it's not like they were like "hey, we think you need a dmg buff but accidently fucked up your burst damage" |
| 19:04.54 | Cide | it was the very thing they targeted |
| 19:05.00 | Hirsute | I know. |
| 19:05.12 | Cide | so of course people are crying |
| 19:05.22 | Cide | burst damage went down so they can't 1 button win arenas anymore |
| 19:05.49 | Hirsute | I don't recall hunters really "1 button win" ing arenas before. |
| 19:06.02 | Cide | /shrug |
| 19:06.10 | Cide | I'm not the guy to ask |
| 19:06.30 | Hirsute | But then, one of my biggest frustrations with the game for a *long* time has been the sacrificing of cool PvE abilities to the arena demon. |
| 19:06.34 | Cide | <Hirsute> They think they've made up for it by making it so that having the talent gives a passive 10% damage bonus, but it still will end up being yet another nerf on BM hunters. |
| 19:06.34 | Cide | <Hirsute> Me thinks. |
| 19:06.57 | Cide | it's a nerf for burst damage and a buff for average damage |
| 19:07.07 | Cide | so /shrug |
| 19:07.27 | Hirsute | Cide: *nod* I wasn't as clear as I should have been. I don't think the passive damage bonus makes up for the nerf to fear immunity. It isn't just about burst damage, in my mind, but also about your ability to pursue an opponent. |
| 19:07.30 | Cide | feel free to classify that as whatever you want |
| 19:07.42 | Cide | which is pretty much equal to burst damage though |
| 19:07.47 | Cide | like GC said regarding deterrence |
| 19:08.06 | Hirsute | I don't recall what he said about deterrence, actually. |
| 19:08.19 | Cide | they want defensive abilities to be used in a defensive manner, not a "I'll pop all my defensive abilities so I can do damage uninterrupted" |
| 19:08.36 | Cide | manner |
| 19:09.00 | Cide | so while TBW/BW is in reality an offensive cooldown, the fear immunity deal kind of ties in with what he said |
| 19:10.26 | Hirsute | I suppose I can see that. Still irks me. I'm tired of the things that were useful about my BM hunter being taken away. At least the passive 10% might make him less laffable for raid slotting. *shrug* |
| 19:10.57 | Hirsute | It would be nice to get to raid as BM again, rather than SV. I greatly prefer playing the BM build. |
| 19:12.45 | dardack | finally |
| 19:13.11 | NightHawkAtWork | Hm. Anyone know why vim 'forgets' my syntax coloring when i delete a buffer? |
| 19:14.03 | Hirsute | Does the file your opening have an extension that's associated with a specific syntax? |
| 19:15.10 | NightHawkAtWork | yes. in this particular case, I've got, say, 3 .php files open, I close one with :bd1 (or whatever), and when it switches to another buffer, it has no syntax coloring |
| 19:16.06 | NightHawkAtWork | only seems to do that if i delete the current buffer, but its still obnoxious. |
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| 19:24.22 | Hirsute | Odd. |
| 19:24.25 | Hirsute | No idea. |
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| 19:40.52 | alestane | Running into a bonkers error on the patch (OS X 10.5.8), anyone else seeing this? |
| 19:40.52 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.06 | NightHawkAtWork | alestane: checked mac tech support forums? |
| 19:42.26 | mikma | alestane: solution: have free space as much as there is space used by wow. |
| 19:42.30 | alestane | And posted. Lots of people having trouble downloading, no-one reporting this specific error yet. |
| 19:42.57 | NightHawkAtWork | :\ unfortunately i'm at work and haven't patched yet, so.. |
| 19:43.36 | Lunessa | I set the patcher in motion and went to work. So I don't know. :( |
| 19:43.54 | alestane | mikma: Not a large drive, I can't afford to keep 15gb free all the time, or even most of it. |
| 19:44.38 | mikma | alestane: yeah :P i had the same problem when i was playing with mac |
| 19:53.45 | KarlKFI|work | why does pepsi one have 20ml more caffeine than regular Pepsi? |
| 19:54.53 | Lunessa | So you won't notice or care that it tastes like ass? |
| 19:54.54 | mikma | it lacks the sugar ^^ |
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| 20:10.14 | Antiarc | re: earlier conversation, Sexymap does square maps just fine :P |
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| 20:13.39 | Fisker | ascends to the heavens |
| 20:16.14 | Shirik | k bye |
| 20:16.43 | Fisker | you don't understand |
| 20:16.46 | Fisker | i just killed you all |
| 20:17.35 | NightHawkAtWork | to die; to sleep? |
| 20:18.01 | durcyn | perchance to dream |
| 20:19.22 | industrial | .. the emerald dream |
| 20:19.24 | industrial | *ooh* |
| 20:20.23 | Shirik | stabs industrial |
| 20:21.10 | industrial | ^_____X |
| 20:22.40 | Fisker | YOU ARE DEAD |
| 20:23.36 | tem | Dagmar, in comparison to the difficulty of the Glory of the X Raider achievements, the Violet drake is welfare |
| 20:24.13 | tem | that's not to say that it doesn't take a good bit of dedication to do all those stupid holiday achievements |
| 20:24.19 | tem | but there isn't a single one of them that takes any skill at the game |
| 20:24.25 | Dagmar | qqmoar |
| 20:24.35 | Dagmar | ...and that would be pretty much why |
| 20:24.56 | Dagmar | All of them require tedium, some of them luck, none of them require an IQ above room temperature |
| 20:25.07 | tem | right |
| 20:25.25 | Cide | well, yeah. |
| 20:25.28 | alestane | Sometimes you need to reward different things, I think. |
| 20:25.41 | Cide | an IQ of >293.15 is kind of a stretch |
| 20:26.00 | Dagmar | For THAT I'd put together a team |
| 20:26.13 | alestane | Is that room temperature in Kelvin? |
| 20:26.20 | Cide | yes. |
| 20:26.35 | Cide | room temperature being defined as 20C |
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| 20:30.06 | zenzelezz | captchas still amuse me |
| 20:30.12 | zenzelezz | "fugitive grandfather" |
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| 20:36.29 | smcn | i've gotten some with random punctuation on recaptcha |
| 20:37.22 | mikma | damnit |
| 20:37.28 | mikma | can't explode the corpses of goldsellers |
| 20:38.29 | foxlit | Heh, they mess with perspective when you're drunk and turned off full screen glow. |
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| 20:44.59 | AbsolutRayne | is quite gleeful atm |
| 20:46.59 | KarlKFI|work | clubs AbsolutRayne with a punctuated recaptcha |
| 20:47.05 | zenzelezz | hrm... so what is it about the Facebook chat thing that keeps popping up gxine every time I receive a message? o_O |
| 20:52.10 | mikma | oh crap that's stupid |
| 20:52.27 | mikma | can't explode the goldselling ad-corpses |
| 20:59.45 | NightHawkAtWork | sighs |
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| 21:00.25 | NightHawkAtWork | working with someone who's motto is "just release it, and make it pretty later" is very frustrating |
| 21:01.22 | zenzelezz | oh, I see now... Facebook chat's "new message" notification sound is an MP3 o_O |
| 21:01.48 | cog|work | "Did you know this is a valid e-mail address?"@example.com |
| 21:02.03 | industrial | really? |
| 21:02.06 | cog|work | http://haacked.com/archive/2007/08/21/i-knew-how-to-validate-an-email-address-until-i.aspx |
| 21:02.16 | NightHawkAtWork | cog|work: no, actually i didn't |
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| 21:03.22 | durcyn | cog|work: linked article uses 'site' instead of 'sight' in first paragraph, i stopped reading right there. |
| 21:03.51 | cog|work | ~lart durcyn |
| 21:03.51 | purl | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down durcyn's throat until durcyn puts on 150lbs |
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| 21:04.35 | cog|work | There should be a sequel to "Everybody Poops" called "Everybody Typoes" |
| 21:04.44 | cog|work | :P |
| 21:05.08 | durcyn | with a subtext of "stop it, it makes you look like an imbecile" |
| 21:05.23 | durcyn | or how about a "Homonyms for Dummies" book |
| 21:05.40 | cog|work | wtb a language without homonyms :P |
| 21:06.49 | NightHawkAtWork | cog|work: god, that would be the most UNFUN language ever. |
| 21:07.01 | cog|work | (of course that would make poetry even more boring, and puns would be nigh impossible) |
| 21:07.26 | NightHawkAtWork | the loss of puns alone would be devastating |
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| 21:15.26 | Lunessa | I need DVD-R media and what can I find? CD-RW and CD-R. Grrr. |
| 21:16.21 | KarlKFI|work | mmm the caffine kicked in |
| 21:16.27 | KarlKFI|work | bounces |
| 21:16.46 | KarlKFI|work | air drums |
| 21:17.01 | bleeter | gief coffee |
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| 21:17.56 | KarlKFI|work | actually i just had 2 dr peppers |
| 21:18.04 | KarlKFI|work | with lunch |
| 21:18.06 | KarlKFI|work | and a nap |
| 21:18.23 | bleeter | so I wouldn't be taking your coffee off you? awww such a champ! |
| 21:18.29 | bleeter | GIEF NAO!!!! |
| 21:18.36 | KarlKFI|work | unfortunately, caffeine doesn't help higher thought functions... |
| 21:18.41 | Thunder_Child | did you know that dr. pepper was called that because the creator of the drink's first boss was named Dr. Pepper |
| 21:18.52 | Thunder_Child | drinks* |
| 21:20.18 | KarlKFI|work | so my brain is nice and alert and my body has yummy adrenaline, but it's not really helping the coding. |
| 21:20.28 | KarlKFI|work | just makes me want to dance |
| 21:21.30 | KarlKFI|work | actually the coding isn't really hard, it's jsut the focus i don't have to keep doign the same thing or remember what i was doing while multitasking |
| 21:22.50 | bleeter | http://www.smh.com.au/photogallery/environment/dust-turns-sydney-sky-red/20090923-g0tw.html |
| 21:23.18 | Lunessa | KarlKFI|work: It's ok, none of us are focusing either. |
| 21:23.27 | KarlKFI|work | ^^ |
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| 21:23.43 | bleeter | it's 07:20 here |
| 21:23.51 | bleeter | MOAR COFFEE |
| 21:24.33 | durcyn | i wonder if i could get away with napping under my desk |
| 21:24.55 | KarlKFI|work | i napped in the car durring my executive lunch |
| 21:25.27 | jpmorgan | bleeter those photos are amazing |
| 21:25.45 | jpmorgan | if they're real and not a red filter |
| 21:27.07 | Adys | YES YES YES YES YES |
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| 21:27.16 | Adys | Finally got the name Adys |
| 21:27.25 | Adys | was running around as Addys for 2 years now |
| 21:29.22 | bleeter | jpmorgan: real. dust storm in sydney |
| 21:29.59 | bleeter | jpmorgan: the centre of australia's not called 'the red heart' for nuffin... ;) |
| 21:30.15 | jpmorgan | hope to see it for myself one day |
| 21:37.24 | jpmorgan | wow my server is chundering |
| 21:52.52 | foxlit | killed Onyxia. |
| 21:53.18 | foxlit | Now I'm off to hand her head in to Varian. Who also killed Onyxia. |
| 21:54.57 | foxlit | Hah, they voiced him. |
| 21:56.18 | foxlit | And he has annoyed equips. |
| 21:56.25 | foxlit | s/eq/q/ |
| 21:56.50 | foxlit | Poor Anduin only has two phrases now. |
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| 22:00.13 | smcn | whoa world server down haven't seen that in awhile |
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| 22:03.54 | fiesekeule | Good evening, can somebody give me some tips about the script-handling in kgpanels? |
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| 22:04.49 | Amarande | soooo ... those of you who have gotten to play 3.2.2 so far, on the PTR or live ... |
| 22:04.57 | Amarande | how badly is the Righteous Fury change cripping Paladin tankage? |
| 22:06.33 | KarlKFI|work | feels the caffeine wearing off |
| 22:06.50 | Amarande | Like, especially as a warlock (and thus knowing I'm prone to putting out more threat per DPS than other DPS classes) should I be particularly requesting Warrior tanks now? |
| 22:06.53 | Amarande | or are Paladin tanks still OK? |
| 22:07.23 | Thunder_Child | so soon KarlKFI|work? |
| 22:07.53 | Thunder_Child | wait... KarlKFI|work, i thought KarlKFI was your work name.... |
| 22:08.12 | Ose | pats fiesekeule |
| 22:08.27 | fiesekeule | can someone help me with the UnitId event? |
| 22:09.15 | jnwhiteh | not sure what you mean, there is no UnitId event. |
| 22:09.21 | KarlKFI|work | i gave up on AnduinLothar |
| 22:09.28 | KarlKFI|work | it's just KarlKFI now |
| 22:10.13 | fiesekeule | sorry, then i mean the api-function UnitId |
| 22:10.15 | KarlKFI|work | unless i'm logged in too many places, then it might fall back |
| 22:11.08 | jnwhiteh | fiesekeule: there is no UnitId function |
| 22:11.12 | jnwhiteh | what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 22:11.38 | fiesekeule | damn, i´m lost :-/ |
| 22:12.06 | KarlKFI|work | i decided that if blizzard didn't want to let me name my char anduinlothar anymore I might as well leave that psudo in the past. No one really contacts me about addons any more except here or via comments or emails. easier to have one name that's all mine |
| 22:12.14 | jnwhiteh | fiesekeule: what are you tryin gto do |
| 22:12.29 | fiesekeule | i was trying that kgpanels closes the panel if i had no target |
| 22:12.44 | KarlKFI|work | also, i blame jnwhiteh |
| 22:12.56 | KarlKFI|work | who also lost his psudo |
| 22:13.05 | Shadowed | how did he lose clad |
| 22:13.33 | KarlKFI|work | s/lost/no longer uses in chat |
| 22:14.21 | Shadowed | yea though he just didn't use it not that he lost it |
| 22:14.27 | KarlKFI|work | actually i know a number of people that decided they didn't want to use their psudo any mroe and wanted to use their name or a permutation of it. |
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| 22:15.05 | KarlKFI|work | plus google thinks i'm two different people. i wish i could equate AnduinLother to karlKFI |
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| 22:20.00 | KarlKFI|work | don't need to roleplay my programming persona |
| 22:24.29 | mikma | lol |
| 22:24.52 | mikma | flame leviathan 25man gone 6man (where 2 players is controlled by one dude) |
| 22:29.27 | Lunessa | Oy, being the only Tech II that speaks "programmer" is nuts sometimes. |
| 22:36.50 | Lunessa | If I have to explain Excel's MIN function on more time today... I'm going to need whiskey. |
| 22:37.14 | nicoli_s | http://www.aionarmory.com/user.aspx?id=224460#comments:id=2669 <- check out that hilariousness before it gets deleted |
| 22:39.28 | Lunessa | ... holy crap. that has LOSER written all over it. |
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| 22:40.54 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_092309_012306.jpg |
| 22:42.28 | Duman | man, there are some lol bugs in 3.2.2 it seems |
| 22:42.48 | mikma | like? |
| 22:42.55 | Duman | I saw reports of a warlock who was draining soul, and the shards ending up in a priest's bags |
| 22:43.19 | foxlit | I heard onyxia deep breaths more. |
| 22:43.20 | nicoli_s | are you trying to tell me that a user page on a db site isnt the most intimate way to communicate between two people lunessa? |
| 22:44.01 | Duman | priest PW:S'ing a tank, and during the PW:S, all damage applied was showing up as the priest's (along w/ the threat) |
| 22:44.13 | Lunessa | nicoli_s: All I'm saying is... posting your "dirty chat" like that - and the final message make me a) laugh, b) pity da fool. |
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| 22:45.01 | Arrowmaster | what the hell |
| 22:45.42 | Arrowmaster | i got an ingame mail from somebody i dont know saying 'grats on server first proto drake brah' |
| 22:46.20 | Arrowmaster | now im wondering if i really did get the server first violet proto drake |
| 22:46.37 | nicoli_s | well congrats then |
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| 22:54.47 | Duman | hmm, i guess those bugs are related... looks like PW:S is hozed |
| 22:54.57 | Duman | at least, for disc priests |
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| 23:00.26 | Amarande | so, basically, PW:S is now ONLY usable as a solo leveling tool until 3.2.3, whenever that might be :| |
| 23:00.51 | Amarande | well ... it might be nifty to somehow be able to show in trade that you have a soul shard :D |
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| 23:01.06 | Lopeppeppy | What did they change, Amarande? |
| 23:01.13 | Amarande | wonders if this means we'll see 3.2.3 next week. :) |
| 23:01.33 | Lopeppeppy | As if. |
| 23:01.33 | Amarande | Peppy: apparently, PW:S is bugged so that when someone is under PW:S, their attacks etc. count as if they're coming from the priest who cast it |
| 23:01.42 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, interesting. |
| 23:01.49 | Amarande | so the priest gets all the threat, and apparently even gets soul shards if a warlock drains soul while under it |
| 23:01.52 | Lopeppeppy | So the shield still *works*, but the priest draws mega aggro |
| 23:01.53 | End | no, we'll see 3.2.2a, and then the week after that, 3.2.4 ;-p |
| 23:02.00 | Amarande | can we say "oops"? :) |
| 23:02.23 | Amarande | wonders how many PUG heroic wipes I'll suffer this week due to healers being unaware of this |
| 23:02.24 | Lopeppeppy | Excellent! |
| 23:02.28 | foxlit | server-side hotfix, np. |
| 23:02.38 | Amarande | I think I'm going to specifically request warrior/druid/DK tanks and pally/druid healers if I can |
| 23:02.47 | Amarande | I'm not sure I want a Paladin tank right now, either. |
| 23:02.56 | Amarande | Righteous Fury was nerfed, and I'm not sure yet how much this is going to impact tanking. |
| 23:03.09 | foxlit | A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. |
| 23:03.32 | Lopeppeppy | 10% sounds small, but it's not. |
| 23:04.14 | foxlit | I believe that the problem was that paladin offtanks were pulling threat previously. |
| 23:04.32 | DWSR2 | rofl |
| 23:04.41 | DWSR | The problem is that paladin threat is stupid. |
| 23:05.08 | Lopeppeppy | Then paladin offtanks need to be smarter, or main tanks need to work harder, not nerf the entire class. |
| 23:05.17 | Amarande | you know, I'm starting to wonder if the crowd-out for DPS in PUGs is perhaps a good thing |
| 23:05.30 | Amarande | it means that it takes a lot more effort for a given DPS to get geared to the teeth without being in consistent guild raid runs |
| 23:05.30 | NeoTron | so this PW:S thing is to me very amusing |
| 23:05.35 | foxlit | Lopeppeppy: meh, nerf the class if it brings it in line with others. |
| 23:05.37 | Lunessa | Mmm... there was a problem though where Holy Damage threat was way out of line with any other tanks kind of threat. |
| 23:05.38 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Paladin threat generation was absolutely rediclous compared to that of warrior/druid tanks. |
| 23:05.43 | Amarande | which helps keep DPS gearing in PUGs a little down, which in turn helps out beginner PUG tanks :) |
| 23:05.43 | NeoTron | how on earth would it be even remotely possible to add such a bug... in any way |
| 23:05.46 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Not their overall threat, but their snap threat. |
| 23:05.47 | NeoTron | it makes no sense at all |
| 23:06.12 | Lopeppeppy | It used to be ridiculous the other way, so why the sudden nerf? |
| 23:06.29 | KarlKFI|work | dont ask. it's useless. |
| 23:06.30 | Amarande | remember, it takes what, like a full week or so of chain heroics to get one or two good pieces of gear off badges? |
| 23:06.30 | DWSR | because other tanks are complaining, and rightly so? |
| 23:06.40 | KarlKFI|work | up and down goes the nerfcoaster |
| 23:06.51 | Amarande | DWSR: I heard talk that Paladin OTs were having trouble with pulling aggro off of other-class MTs |
| 23:06.58 | DWSR | O.o |
| 23:07.04 | Amarande | wait, yeah, foxlit just said that. :) |
| 23:07.06 | DWSR | Only if the gear difference was rediculous |
| 23:07.17 | Amarande | DWSR: unfortunately, that's too often the case |
| 23:07.19 | Lunessa | Because the problem is that if you have paladins doing holy damage they spend a lot of time tanking when they shouldn't and you end up benching your warrior, DK and druid tanks because the paladin is "just better" |
| 23:07.28 | Amarande | given the HUGE difference between say ilvl 200 and ilvl 245 |
| 23:07.35 | foxlit | I'm loosely paraphrasing GC. |
| 23:07.46 | DWSR | foxlit: I would say that's a pretty accurate summary, tbh. |
| 23:07.58 | Lopeppeppy | Used to be they'd bench the pally because because everyone else was just better. |
| 23:08.00 | Amarande | I mean, let's say you've just brought a new warrior into your fold, and you know from heroic runs that he's got talent as a tank but he hasn't got the top gear yet |
| 23:08.05 | foxlit | And I firmly believe that if you have a 40 ilvl delta between tank and dps, you deserve any problems you encounter. |
| 23:08.12 | Amarande | meanwhile, you have a paladin in your guild who's got really good tanking gear (ilvl 232+ say) |
| 23:08.32 | Amarande | how are you going to get your warrior trained without telling your established paladin to take a LONG vacation in such a case? maybe they needed a nerf |
| 23:08.38 | KarlKFI|work | i had great tank gear and they made me dps |
| 23:08.53 | DWSR | Amarande: By telling him that he needs to take a back seat in order to gear up another warrior. |
| 23:09.08 | KarlKFI|work | because out MT was onyl able to MT, she was completely inflexible and would always do things the way she first learned them |
| 23:09.09 | DWSR | Truly good players of any class will understand when they make some sacrifice in order to better the guild. |
| 23:09.11 | Lopeppeppy | That's exactly where paladins used to be, Amarande. Never allowed to tank, because omg the warrior had to take a vacation. Now it's just shoe on the other foot, no wonder other classes aren't happy. Pallies weren't happy for years. |
| 23:09.12 | NeoTron | actually now when I think about it, SW:P used to be pretty much a snap AoE taunt onto the priest back in Naxx on the beta server |
| 23:09.21 | DWSR | Like a core 10er giving up their DPS spot so that a newer DPS can do Hard mode. |
| 23:09.30 | Amarande | DWSR: Tank gear isn't always optimal for DPS, which means they'd be forced to *underperform*. |
| 23:09.53 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Here's the problem with that analogy. |
| 23:09.59 | DWSR | Paladins were the only class QQing. |
| 23:10.02 | Amarande | I can imagine badly organized guilds where the DPS and tanking departments have too little communication and next thing the paladin is being brought before the officers for "you're not doing enough DPS" |
| 23:10.06 | Lopeppeppy | It's not an analogy. |
| 23:10.17 | Amarande | Maybe that's being a little paranoid |
| 23:10.18 | DWSR | comparison, what have you |
| 23:10.40 | Lopeppeppy | One single class finally got their tanking tree viable, it lasted for a while, now it's nerfed again. I guess we have to wait and see if that makes paladins once again non-viable as main tanks. |
| 23:10.54 | KarlKFI|work | it'll eb fine peppy |
| 23:10.54 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: I just did Ony25 with paladin MTs. |
| 23:11.03 | DWSR | They're not non-viable. |
| 23:11.09 | KarlKFI|work | it's nto THAT big a nurf |
| 23:11.13 | DWSR | It's not. |
| 23:11.15 | Amarande | But hell, even our NATIONAL GOVERNMENT has such organizational issues at times on a far greater scale. How can we expect gaming guilds to have top-notch org when even big corporations and the federal government rarely do? :) |
| 23:11.23 | Lunessa | I doubt it does. Our "MT" is a paladin tank and he will hardly notice the difference. |
| 23:11.30 | Lopeppeppy | I hope so, Karl. I've watched our healing spec dwindle, I hate to see a nibble out of another tree. |
| 23:11.55 | foxlit | "Yo Varian, I'll let you finish, but Anduin was the best Human leader of ALL TIME." |
| 23:11.56 | Amarande | If I was an ubersauce manager, would I be spending those skills on organizing a WoW guild or would I be going and getting a job as a senior manager somewhere where I'd make 200,000 a year to use those skills rather than get nothing but the privilege of listening to QQ? :D |
| 23:12.03 | KarlKFI|work | meh, well maybe ret will eb funa gain when they give us multi target command |
| 23:12.11 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comic.php?d=20090916 |
| 23:12.23 | Amarande | Okay, back from the tangent. |
| 23:12.26 | tem | KarlKFI|work, "when?" |
| 23:12.28 | tem | the patch was today |
| 23:12.38 | Lunessa | Right now my raid group - Top tank Paladin. Top DPS Ret Paladin - the only reason a paladin isn't our top healer is because we don't have room for a 4th paladin in 10man. |
| 23:12.41 | DWSR | foxlit: ROFL |
| 23:12.44 | KarlKFI|work | oh i thought that was the next patch. i haven't played today |
| 23:12.50 | Amarande | But basically, yeah, that's a problem, if you ask a Paladin tank to do DPS so the warrior tank can train (because he can't OT without pulling aggro due to OP'dness of paladin tanking) |
| 23:12.59 | Amarande | chances are, if he's got optimal tank gear, it's not going to be optimal DPS gear |
| 23:13.11 | DWSR | Amarande: Whatever you say bro. |
| 23:13.12 | Amarande | yes, I'm aware a large portion of Pally tanking is due to the fact that they DO pretty good DPS for tanks |
| 23:13.15 | Amarande | but yeah. |
| 23:13.19 | KarlKFI|work | um |
| 23:13.23 | KarlKFI|work | equipment manager? |
| 23:13.27 | DWSR | ilvl 232 paladin tanks are going to be pushing like 3.5k DPS, kthx. |
| 23:13.35 | KarlKFI|work | who dps's in tank gear... |
| 23:13.36 | DWSR | Just turn off Righteous Fury and use the Ret paladin rotation. |
| 23:13.41 | Amarande | Karl: you're assuming that the guy has DPS gear |
| 23:13.50 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 23:13.55 | Amarande | if he's been slotted as a tank since time immemorial in your guild, he might not |
| 23:14.00 | KarlKFI|work | if he doesn't have the gear than he shouldn't be raiding in that spec :P |
| 23:14.08 | DWSR | not really. |
| 23:14.19 | KarlKFI|work | gear up in heroics |
| 23:14.25 | mikma | dk unholy dps 3.2.2 ... |
| 23:14.27 | DWSR | Why, if it's just for a few fights? |
| 23:14.31 | mikma | what to pick what to pick |
| 23:14.33 | DWSR | mikma: Does it suck? |
| 23:14.52 | mikma | no idea |
| 23:14.59 | DWSR | mikma: If it sucks, good. |
| 23:15.01 | DWSR | Fuck unholy. |
| 23:15.11 | mikma | they "buffed" it with 3.2.2 |
| 23:15.12 | Amarande | Lunessa: heh. Paladin is actually one of the classes I could see one making an entire raid of and still managing to do a raid. |
| 23:15.19 | Lunessa | Our Paladin MT does very very well as DPS and our Paladin DPS does very very well as a tank. |
| 23:15.22 | DWSR | Amarande: What's the other? Druid? |
| 23:15.25 | mikma | now i am playing with blood spec, ikts great fun |
| 23:15.27 | Amarande | DWSR: Yeah. |
| 23:15.31 | DWSR | Amarande: .... |
| 23:15.37 | Amarande | Unless you're going to heroic OK |
| 23:15.45 | Amarande | in which case if you have a full druid party you're going to scream bloody murder |
| 23:15.46 | DWSR | Gee...maybe because those are the only classes with a tree for each role? |
| 23:15.54 | Amarande | "HOW DID YOU TAKE FORTY MINUTES AGAINST VOLAZJ?!" |
| 23:15.55 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgJxGKBad3M if you haven't seen it already. |
| 23:16.14 | End | isn't UnitAura normally supposed to return debuffs? |
| 23:16.15 | tem | Amarande, you're pretty amazing. I don't know how you manage to spend so much energy complaining about things that you don't know very much about. It's really impressive |
| 23:16.22 | foxlit | End: both. |
| 23:16.23 | Lunessa | Amarande: Sure, but YOU tell the other 6 people that we're only going to slot paladins for the raid. Do you really want to deal with me when I'm actually angry? |
| 23:16.25 | End | well |
| 23:16.32 | End | it's not returning debuffs |
| 23:16.37 | Amarande | imagines fighting Volazj with a full druid party and getting to the point where you have to fight the clones. :) |
| 23:16.40 | End | UnitBuff/Debuff work as I expect |
| 23:16.46 | KarlKFI|work | UnitAura deprecated? |
| 23:16.55 | End | other way around I thought |
| 23:16.58 | foxlit | KarlKFI|work: no. |
| 23:17.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I thought none of them were? |
| 23:17.05 | foxlit | Neither of them is deprecated. Use whatever. |
| 23:17.11 | Amarande | heck, I remember Volazj being a pain when there was *one* druid in the party :) |
| 23:17.24 | End | maybe something is broken with the target dummies though |
| 23:19.23 | Amarande | End: target dummies have never been a reliable source of data, anyway :) |
| 23:19.31 | End | indeed |
| 23:19.32 | End | well |
| 23:19.41 | Amarande | I remember seeing some threads on EJ that say "STOP POSTING TARGET DUMMY SHIT" basically heh |
| 23:19.45 | End | UnitAura works if I specifically set "HARMFUL" |
| 23:20.41 | Amarande | not that I read EJ *that* much anyway, mainly I look at it to determine what the best spec for X class in Y role is during the current patch |
| 23:20.48 | Amarande | but since they post that at the very top of threads, it's hard to miss. :) |
| 23:21.14 | DWSR | Amarande: You're missing the point then |
| 23:21.16 | DWSR | Because, at least for the lock threads, that's given a very specific gear level. |
| 23:21.36 | DWSR | You need to run Simcraft in order to determine what spec is actually better given your gear. |
| 23:22.10 | DWSR | because, iirc, aff beats destro in 213, but destro beats aff in 232+ |
| 23:22.19 | Amarande | DWSR: how about 200? |
| 23:22.25 | Amarande | I'm assuming aff 56/0/15 is still good there? |
| 23:22.28 | DWSR | Get better gear? |
| 23:22.29 | DWSR | :P\ |
| 23:22.41 | Amarande | To be honest, I'm not sure if Alvaerin will ever see more than perhaps one or two pieces of ilvl 232+ |
| 23:22.47 | DWSR | 56/0/15 is pretty good no matter what way you slice it. |
| 23:22.54 | DWSR | Amarande: Er...daily heroics + conquest + h toc. |
| 23:23.03 | DWSR | You have no excuse to less than half you stuff at 226+ |
| 23:23.13 | Amarande | H TOC will get me the ilvl 219 helm, which is apparently really ubersauce |
| 23:23.26 | DWSR | You can also get Kurisu's Indecision. |
| 23:23.28 | Amarande | If I can manage to accumulate 8800 gold before Cat hits, I'll have a 226 Kirin Tor ring |
| 23:23.29 | DWSR | And the Spectral Kris |
| 23:23.48 | DWSR | and then you can buy some more gear via the triumph vendors. |
| 23:24.01 | DWSR | So you should have probably half your pieces at 226 or above. |
| 23:24.07 | Amarande | Doubt I'll see more than maybe 1-2 pieces of 232+, though, since I don't do TOC10/25, so unless it's a really long time till Cat still I probably won't see enough Triumph badges |
| 23:24.23 | Amarande | well, unless they end up making triumph the standard badge once icecrown hits and adding a new badge then, as we might expect to happen |
| 23:24.34 | DWSR | I doubt that, tbh. |
| 23:24.54 | Amarande | is still expecting a spring release date for Cat, most likely. |
| 23:24.56 | DWSR | Don't need another source of welfare epix. |
| 23:24.59 | DWSR | I'm not. |
| 23:25.04 | DWSR | It's going to be at least a year from now. |
| 23:25.24 | DWSR | btw, do you only get Rallying Cry of the Dragonslayer from 25m Ony? |
| 23:25.34 | Amarande | I'm thinking based on Icecrown not being out yet, and the fact that they'll probably want to let Icecrown be out for at least a few months before Cat so we don't get another Naxx I/Sunwell situation |
| 23:26.01 | DWSR | Amarande: ICC won't be out until Winter. |
| 23:26.03 | Amarande | Yeah, you're probably right on at least a year from now |
| 23:26.12 | Amarande | They'll want Icecrown to really have a long run before Cat, I expect |
| 23:26.19 | DWSR | We probably won't see it until spring/early summer next year. |
| 23:26.19 | Fisker | sunwell was out for a decent amount of time |
| 23:26.21 | Amarande | simply because unlike, say, Kil'jaeden or Kel'thuzad |
| 23:26.39 | Amarande | Arthas is a SUPER MEGA ICONIC Warcraft 'verse villain, and I don't think they'd want to cut too short people's chances to face him |
| 23:26.45 | Amarande | that would be looking for customer disappointment :) |
| 23:26.51 | Fisker | i think they want to release the new expansion pretty quick though |
| 23:26.56 | DWSR | anyone here play/tried Aion? |
| 23:27.02 | DWSR | Fisker: Nah, ICC is pretty lore rich. |
| 23:27.08 | DWSR | They're going ot take their time building it up. |
| 23:27.24 | Amarande | Say, do you think there will be ICC5 or will it be a pure 10/25 single dungeon? |
| 23:27.31 | DWSR | Ony is just a content holdover, I'm thinking they're going to revitalise a raid or 2 more between ICC. |
| 23:27.37 | mikma | adys: shoot the person behind mmoc talent calculator. its still horrible with portable devices |
| 23:27.38 | DWSR | Amarande: I can't imagine a 5m version |
| 23:27.45 | Fisker | they already said they'll be making 3 5-man ICC instances |
| 23:27.59 | Amarande | I was going to initially suggest that Icecrown is currently the only zone without a 5-man, but then I remembered there's TOC5 now |
| 23:28.05 | DWSR | Fisker: But do you get to fight Arthas in them? |
| 23:28.18 | Fisker | probably not |
| 23:28.19 | Amarande | (and yeah, I know WG has no 5-man, but WG is not exactly a regular zone) |
| 23:28.22 | DWSR | ;) |
| 23:28.32 | Fisker | your point being? |
| 23:28.51 | DWSR | I don't really consider anything but the final buttrape of Arthas to be considered ICC. |
| 23:29.02 | DWSR | Blizzard *will* content starve us though, you can be sure. |
| 23:29.08 | DWSR | Since some of the slower realms need time to progress. |
| 23:29.26 | Fisker | your mom is arthas |
| 23:29.27 | Amarande | DWSR: which is perfectly fine. |
| 23:29.31 | DWSR | yup |
| 23:29.34 | DWSR | btw. |
| 23:29.39 | DWSR | What's the actual value of spell pen? |
| 23:29.40 | Amarande | one thing I've always seen as a bad design decision in the past with WoW |
| 23:29.45 | Amarande | DWSR: Jack and shit. |
| 23:29.57 | Amarande | Spell pen is an obsolete holdover from the level 60 days, basically. |
| 23:30.09 | DWSR | Amarande: Says the lock in ilvl 200. :) Not that I don't value your opinion, but you aren't exactly a gladiator. |
| 23:30.23 | Amarande | DWSR: well, basically, as I understand it, spell pen lowers the target's resistance |
| 23:30.36 | Amarande | however, in PvE, this is useless because you cannot lower mobs' resistance below their base mob resistance levels |
| 23:30.40 | DWSR | right |
| 23:30.41 | Fisker | i don't think it's usable in pve anymore |
| 23:30.42 | DWSR | I'm talking PvP. |
| 23:30.45 | Amarande | and in PvP, it would only be useful if people actually used resistance gear in PvP. |
| 23:30.46 | DWSR | It's not useable in PvE. |
| 23:30.51 | DWSR | What about auras? |
| 23:30.53 | DWSR | Or gift? |
| 23:30.55 | Fisker | Well they also nerfed resistances in WotLK |
| 23:30.56 | End | people use buffs and auras |
| 23:31.03 | Fisker | so it's basically worthless |
| 23:31.07 | Amarande | however, the last time we saw resistance gear often in PvP, was at level 60 when people did PvP in PvE epics |
| 23:31.18 | DWSR | I mean, I know that I walk into any arena with 75 resistance to everything + 100 resistance to fire |
| 23:31.23 | Amarande | current PvP epics don't have any resistances, and it's dumb to slot for them |
| 23:31.28 | Fisker | i laughed at warlocks in BT shadow res gear |
| 23:31.30 | Amarande | hit, stamina, resil, that's what you slot for |
| 23:31.32 | foxlit | "TurpsterDoubleVision: Mounting Your Squire" |
| 23:31.33 | foxlit | o.O |
| 23:31.43 | Fisker | pervert |
| 23:31.46 | Fisker | reported for CP |
| 23:31.46 | Amarande | maybe crit too |
| 23:31.47 | DWSR | Amarande: Trust me. |
| 23:31.50 | DWSR | I know how to gear. |
| 23:31.52 | Amarande | but certainly not resists :) |
| 23:32.01 | DWSR | I just wanted to know at what point spell pen becomes more useful than sp. |
| 23:32.10 | Amarande | DWSR: yeah, and it's basically never |
| 23:32.12 | End | altthough, it's not really a problem in battelgrounds like it is in arena |
| 23:32.25 | Amarande | because you'll only encounter a scant few opponents that have any sort of resistance, let alone to the specific element you might be using at a given moment |
| 23:32.48 | DWSR | Amarande: 150 fire resist is pretty substantial, thanks. |
| 23:33.07 | industrial | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldLg2HT7-9U&feature=PlayList&p=48C37A95593E3A32&index=0&playnext=1 |
| 23:33.11 | industrial | lolwaht |
| 23:33.13 | industrial | bleach anyone? |
| 23:33.15 | industrial | :\ |
| 23:33.29 | Amarande | Fisker: ahh, the days when Mother Shahraz required shadow res |
| 23:33.46 | Amarande | now at 80 you can probably kill her in blues like she was an introductory 5-man mob |
| 23:34.10 | Amarande | assuming no bugs, anyway |
| 23:34.15 | Amarande | wowhead seems to report that fight had a lot of them |
| 23:34.35 | Amarande | couches o'doom? |
| 23:34.38 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 23:34.46 | Fisker | We also had people ported into tanks etc. |
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| 23:35.54 | Amarande | dear gods |
| 23:36.00 | Amarande | I just read "8800 dps mage lfg onyxia" |
| 23:36.13 | Amarande | do mages really put out that much now? |
| 23:36.13 | foxlit | Easy |
| 23:36.16 | Amarande | or are they basing their DPS off some fight where recount isn't an accurate measure due to buffs, like Thad? |
| 23:36.24 | foxlit | run through the whelp tunnel, aoe everything. |
| 23:36.34 | Arrowmaster | industrial: lol |
| 23:36.35 | ScytheBlade1 | It is entirely possible, yes |
| 23:36.45 | Amarande | foxlit: so basically, they're measuring their DPS by taking deliberate advantage of a situation that lets them do way more DPS than normal? |
| 23:36.49 | End | aside from aoe, with all 245 gear, maybe |
| 23:36.57 | Dagmar | Of course |
| 23:37.04 | Amarande | see, that's probably one of my problems then |
| 23:37.09 | Amarande | I tend to be too honest about my character's capabilities |
| 23:37.11 | *** join/#wowuidev Thelyna (n=burp@219-89-246-193.adsl.xtra.co.nz) |
| 23:37.12 | Amarande | I don't inflate things :| |
| 23:37.13 | End | or 45 second fights in bloodlust :P |
| 23:37.22 | theorbtwo | You measure your peak DPS, don't you? |
| 23:37.40 | foxlit | Tbh, I wouldn't trust anyone advertising in LFG with their DPS. |
| 23:37.48 | Amarande | when I go to get a DPS measure, I basically measure it using only self-applicable buffs, i.e., no food, flask, or buffs requiring other party/raid members or a specific boss fight to take advantage of |
| 23:38.12 | Amarande | so e.g. for the warlock, that would be pretty much just with fel armor and the GoLT buff active |
| 23:38.27 | Amarande | (I'd pop my trinket, but since that's not sustainable, it's not really honest) |
| 23:38.27 | End | and CoE |
| 23:38.39 | Amarande | End: I'm aff, so that means CoA |
| 23:38.39 | foxlit | But that's irrelevant when your actual target context is a 10/25 man raid. |
| 23:38.44 | End | oh, nevermind then |
| 23:38.50 | Amarande | the only way I could see CoE damage would be if I was grouped with another lock |
| 23:38.51 | jpmorgan_0087 | anyone elses server grinding to a near halt every few mninutes? |
| 23:39.03 | End | destruction doesn't get a lot of benefit from its curse |
| 23:39.15 | End | 5%ish instead of 10%ish |
| 23:39.37 | DWSR | End: Yes we do. |
| 23:39.47 | DWSR | CoD has the highest DPCT of all spells in Destro's rotation |
| 23:39.57 | End | this is true |
| 23:40.05 | End | but you only get to cast it every 60 seconds |
| 23:40.08 | DWSR | Yeah. |
| 23:40.10 | foxlit | I wonder if I'll run out of FMA episodes before I'll finish my single-pass subtitling code. |
| 23:40.13 | DWSR | But it's a free IC nuke. |
| 23:40.23 | End | the damage benefit from CoE is larger than CoD |
| 23:40.48 | DWSR | And it hits for what your incin or conflag will crit for. |
| 23:40.48 | DWSR | No it's not. |
| 23:40.49 | DWSR | Not unless you have a ton of spell casters and no boomkin |
| 23:40.49 | DWSR | Then it makes sense. |
| 23:40.52 | foxlit | [and no unholy DK] |
| 23:41.04 | Dagmar | Wow the servers are running awesome |
| 23:41.05 | Amarande | hmm. |
| 23:41.16 | Amarande | is there a convenient list anywhere of non-BoP, Alliance-only crafting recipes? |
| 23:41.33 | DWSR | Amarande: Wowhead. |
| 23:41.42 | DWSR | Do a search, filter, ???, profit |
| 23:41.46 | End | it's 13% increased damage to every other spell cast over ~60% versus roughly 100% versus one spell |
| 23:41.53 | End | if thar makes any sense |
| 23:42.01 | DWSR | nope |
| 23:42.06 | DWSR | Trust me, the guys at EJ have worked it out. |
| 23:42.08 | DWSR | And so have I. |
| 23:42.17 | DWSR | CoE is not as good as CoD or CoA unless you are trying to buff a raid |
| 23:43.39 | End | well |
| 23:43.44 | End | simcraft heartily disagrees |
| 23:43.56 | DWSR | Show me where? |
| 23:44.10 | jpmorgan_0087 | gah i cant even get mail stupid server /kick |
| 23:44.12 | End | I just ran it. do you want me to post the .simcraft files? |
| 23:44.18 | DWSR | Sure |
| 23:44.46 | End | I should note, this is non-optimal raid |
| 23:44.55 | End | (which is relevent to Amarande's original comment) |
| 23:45.49 | End | ugh |
| 23:45.55 | End | pastey is annoying for posting simcraft files |
| 23:46.53 | End | well, do you have simcraft installed? it's pretty trivial to do it yourself if you know how to run simcraft |
| 23:47.22 | ScytheBlade1 | After poking around with rawr for all of 5 minutes |
| 23:47.35 | ScytheBlade1 | A mage can hit 7200DPS pretty easily |
| 23:47.48 | End | and it's easier to say I took the T8 destro .simcraft, ran it, removed the CoA referece, replaced the CoD reference with CoE, ran it again, and got a higher number the second time |
| 23:48.05 | End | running with optimal_raid=0 of course |
| 23:48.30 | DWSR | O_O |
| 23:48.32 | DWSR | Of course you would. |
| 23:48.49 | End | then why are you arguing with me? |
| 23:49.00 | DWSR | Wait, nvm I misread. |
| 23:49.27 | End | this isn't a raid either. just personal dps |
| 23:49.44 | End | hm |
| 23:50.11 | End | I wonder what happens if I actually have all other raid buffs |
| 23:50.17 | End | probably no difference though |
| 23:50.44 | End | (other than overall bigger numbers) |
| 23:50.45 | DWSR | optimal raid means you have a boomkin's buffs. |
| 23:50.45 | DWSR | Meaning CoE is useless. |
| 23:50.58 | End | yes |
| 23:51.04 | End | I wasn't running with optimal |
| 23:51.21 | End | this time I will, but I'll disable ebon plaguebringer, CoE and earth and moon |
| 23:51.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Jerek_Dain (n=JerekDai@71.82.127.149) |
| 23:51.41 | End | so the only potential source for that buff will be the warlock |
| 23:53.20 | DWSR | and world server just crashed |
| 23:53.40 | jpmorgan_0087 | i wish mine would |
| 23:54.11 | foxlit | Hm, suddenly, the 64gb ipod touch looks appealing. |
| 23:54.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Amarande: never mind, after poking with rawr past the first round of optimizations, a mage can clock 10341 DPS on a 5 minute figut |
| 23:54.58 | ScytheBlade1 | *fight |
| 23:55.08 | End | what ilevel gear? |
| 23:55.09 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR! |
| 23:55.14 | ScytheBlade1 | High :P |
| 23:55.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Not even sure, I didn't check for ilevels |
| 23:55.27 | DWSR | End: IS it curse_of_elements or curse_of_the_elements? |
| 23:55.38 | *** join/#wowuidev phyber (i=phyber@irssi.co.uk) |
| 23:55.41 | End | the first I think |
| 23:56.25 | End | must be the first, since that's what I wrote, and it doesn't accept the |
| 23:56.36 | Dagmar | Man the servers are really frelled |
| 23:56.58 | DWSR | huh |
| 23:57.01 | DWSR | Wow End, you're right. |
| 23:57.06 | DWSR | Coulda swore I did that. |
| 23:57.22 | End | I never actually tested it before, so when you disagreed, I was like oh shit, I should make sure |
| 23:57.24 | DWSR | It's like 300 DPS worth too. |
| 23:57.29 | End | but sure enough, it gave what I expected |
| 23:57.36 | DWSR | indeed, thanks for the tip. :) |
| 23:57.39 | Dagmar | It took like two minutes of staring at the progress bar for it to log in, and /quit wouldn't even get me out of the game in less than another two minutes |
| 23:57.43 | End | no problem :) |
| 23:57.55 | msoul | anyone using chincilla here? |
| 23:58.16 | msoul | i dunno what are the numbers stands for above the clock |
| 23:58.24 | msoul | 68-0-35-0 |
| 23:58.48 | Lopeppeppy | Time? |
| 23:58.48 | Lopeppeppy | Coordinates? |
| 23:58.50 | msoul | i mean disable it |
| 23:58.55 | msoul | yeah |
| 23:59.12 | DWSR | Co-ords. |
| 23:59.17 | Lopeppeppy | Figure out what they are, and then you can disable them. :) Maybe take a screenshot and put it up somewhere. |
| 23:59.30 | Lopeppeppy | That's my take too |
| 23:59.46 | msoul | i don't know what's the word in english |
