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| 00:07.11 | smcn | i thought the whole china/panda thing was a myth |
| 00:11.19 | tekkub | what china panda thing? |
| 00:11.35 | tekkub | pets are totally viable because they can't be attacked |
| 00:13.38 | alestane | Is violence against pandas another one of those things the Chinese government spares its people the sight of? |
| 00:14.01 | tekkub | aye |
| 00:26.21 | tem | alestane, I think it's dead pandas they have something against |
| 00:26.24 | mikma | cairenn: http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/kamut/3542/20090913.gif |
| 00:26.29 | tem | if they could be attacked by not killable it might be okay |
| 00:26.46 | Cairenn | awww |
| 00:29.18 | Corrodias | why do you link through that maapallo site? |
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| 00:36.58 | Dagmar | If the get upset about dead pandas, screw 'em |
| 00:37.05 | Dagmar | They're endangered, not religious icons. |
| 00:37.14 | mikma | corrodias: cause it has all sorts of comics i watch and the site downloads the images. |
| 00:37.19 | Dagmar | Fake pandas aren't going extinct anytime soon. |
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| 00:56.47 | Aquavette2k1 | Does the chat frame have a contain or something you can move the whole frame with through lua? or do you just do ChatFrame1:SetPoint(etc) |
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| 01:10.34 | alestane | There was a WoW UI panel at BlizzCon this year, right? |
| 01:11.34 | kd3 | no |
| 01:12.06 | alestane | That would explain why I can find videos of every panel but that one, then. |
| 01:13.16 | mikma | wobwork: i don't get this... |
| 01:13.30 | mikma | wobwork: i run out of cast + hp potions = i die in dungeons |
| 01:13.39 | WobWork | uhuh |
| 01:13.54 | Dagmar | Try taking some munchies with you |
| 01:13.56 | WobWork | I do that a lot =P |
| 01:14.01 | Jerub | potions? |
| 01:14.09 | WobWork | Jerub: DDO |
| 01:14.15 | Jerub | WobWork: DDO? |
| 01:14.15 | Dagmar | Oh. |
| 01:14.16 | Dagmar | Suck less. |
| 01:14.17 | mikma | dagmar: take what, all i can find is food you can eat in taverns |
| 01:14.31 | Dagmar | You're doing these things in solo mode as what class? |
| 01:14.43 | WobWork | rogue |
| 01:14.50 | Dagmar | You are kidding me |
| 01:14.51 | WobWork | Jerub: Dungeons and Dragons Online |
| 01:14.59 | Jerub | ooh, heh |
| 01:15.06 | Dagmar | Are you still wearing the scrap clothing from the shipwreck? |
| 01:15.33 | Dagmar | I got a battleworn chain thing that's just a bit better than leather, two rapiers, and I just don't die in solo mode |
| 01:16.02 | Dagmar | Perhaps you're counting on auto-attack? |
| 01:16.19 | Dagmar | It goes much less quickly than just clicking and holding |
| 01:16.19 | mikma | dagmar: i'm wearing the gear i have gotten from quests |
| 01:16.22 | Dagmar | Same here |
| 01:16.25 | Arrowmaster | alestane: blizzard doesnt have anybody to give a wow ui panel anymore |
| 01:16.34 | Shirik | [ebuild U ] sys-apps/less-436 [429] USE="unicode" 297 kB |
| 01:16.38 | Dagmar | I've gotten a rogue through everything in the Island |
| 01:16.39 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: heheh, they've alllll moved on =P |
| 01:16.39 | Shirik | How do you update `less` |
| 01:16.42 | mikma | dagmar: also, i'm not counting on auto attack, clickclickclickclick |
| 01:16.45 | alestane | Arrowmaster: Sadly true. |
| 01:16.47 | Shirik | what could you possibly need to do |
| 01:16.47 | Dagmar | Okay that's good |
| 01:16.57 | Dagmar | You're hitting the rest shrines when you see them? |
| 01:17.11 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: less has lots of options you know? |
| 01:17.15 | WobWork | I dislike the cooldown on the rest shrines =( |
| 01:17.17 | Dagmar | If I weren't in the middle of laundry I'd say login now and show me what's getting you killed |
| 01:17.29 | Dagmar | WobWork: What cooldown? You get to use them once and only once in instances |
| 01:17.57 | Arrowmaster | exactly |
| 01:18.05 | Dagmar | If you took the flaming rapier and rather quickly you get a shot at a flaming bow |
| 01:18.23 | Dagmar | ...you shouldn't really be having too many problem so long as you _play to your strengths_ |
| 01:18.33 | Dagmar | ...that is to say, sneak up behind people and stab 'em as often as you can |
| 01:18.40 | WobWork | Dagmar: well no, there's like a 10 minute cooldown on them |
| 01:18.49 | mikma | dagmar: the fact that i can't "heal" myself in any other way than bottles, which are ending because my money is running out |
| 01:18.54 | Dagmar | You can even pretend it's PvP and jump behing hte mobs and that works too |
| 01:18.57 | WobWork | if you spend that long in the dungeon =) |
| 01:19.06 | mikma | and the fact that i can't find any food you can eat in dungeons |
| 01:19.21 | Dagmar | WobWork: The outdoor ones have a 15-minute cooldown. If the indoor ones have an actual cooldown then that's something they've added |
| 01:19.25 | Arrowmaster | you could only eat in inns when i played it |
| 01:19.51 | WobWork | Dagmar: Dunno, I clicked one in the Misery Peak dungeon and it told me to wait 9 minutes |
| 01:19.52 | Dagmar | A halfling rogue with some action points into sneak attaks and so on should barely have to slow down |
| 01:20.00 | Dagmar | Interesting |
| 01:20.13 | WobWork | and what a terrible dungeon that was = |
| 01:20.14 | WobWork | P |
| 01:20.20 | WobWork | My poor compatriots, playing bait |
| 01:20.22 | Dagmar | By the time I got to Misery Peak, I'd just quit stealthing because you can run up on guys so fast they can't even react |
| 01:20.33 | WobWork | while I slooooowwwwly avoided all the mobs to the end =P |
| 01:20.33 | Dagmar | I might as well have had bullet time |
| 01:20.41 | Arrowmaster | you guys are both playing rogues? |
| 01:20.46 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 01:20.47 | WobWork | I was playing a monk |
| 01:20.54 | WobWork | sneakymonk |
| 01:21.00 | Arrowmaster | try playing a bard like i did for the open beta |
| 01:21.06 | Dagmar | I'm like, level 2.4 now |
| 01:21.51 | Arrowmaster | you will spend more time running back to the instance than actually fighting |
| 01:21.55 | mikma | i'm ... 2.2 now |
| 01:22.00 | Dagmar | mikma: I'd say go back and talk to that pansy about the crystals |
| 01:22.12 | Dagmar | Treat it like a danger room and practice jumping people from stealth |
| 01:22.36 | mikma | dagmar: i do that, but getting ganked by 10 spiders aint fun, trust me |
| 01:22.38 | Dagmar | If you _always_ take advantage of stealth when you can, most enemies are just going to drop in two hits |
| 01:22.44 | Dagmar | Ten spiders? |
| 01:22.53 | Dagmar | You sure you're not runnign the things in hard mode? |
| 01:22.59 | mikma | ya, the crypts right infront of harbor just lost all my potions + money |
| 01:23.14 | Dagmar | OKay. That one kinda sucks because of how bloody LONG it is |
| 01:23.25 | Dagmar | Smashing those tombs is fun and all, but it's a lot of work for a vandal bonus |
| 01:23.35 | mikma | that one is different |
| 01:23.40 | mikma | kill 10 spiders in 3x wings |
| 01:23.48 | mikma | destroy LESS than 10 tombs |
| 01:24.02 | mikma | and if you aggro *ONE* spider, all 10 attack yo |
| 01:24.03 | WobWork | methinks you're getting hit too much |
| 01:24.05 | mikma | like, wtf |
| 01:24.18 | Dagmar | Hmm... I didnt' even notice there was something for destroying less than 10 tombs anymore |
| 01:24.20 | WobWork | what level are you? |
| 01:24.34 | Dagmar | WobWork: That's like the very first quest you come to once you're at the village |
| 01:24.36 | mikma | 2 of 4, rank 8 |
| 01:24.50 | mikma | thats not the first quest i did in that village ^^ |
| 01:25.03 | Dagmar | I pwned it in normal mode before I rememered they've added a 'solo' difficulty that cuts down on the number of mobs |
| 01:25.05 | WobWork | yeah, he said harbour so I got confused |
| 01:25.32 | Dagmar | Once you're off newbie island unless they've made a lot more changes, it's going to require even more sneakiness |
| 01:25.39 | WobWork | so he's off newbie island |
| 01:26.12 | mikma | that's the third dungeon i did in stormreach |
| 01:26.24 | mikma | and that was the worst yet |
| 01:26.33 | Dagmar | I'm still on the island becuase I'm going to run Misery one more time to get the other Troubleshooter's item |
| 01:26.47 | Dagmar | Those two pack a pretty nice bonus for dealing with traps |
| 01:27.07 | Dagmar | Something like +9 in total |
| 01:27.34 | Dagmar | I definitely grabbed the Nimble set, which is probably part of the reason I've been pwning everything |
| 01:27.44 | Dagmar | One rapier with fire, one rapier with +1 humanoid bane |
| 01:27.48 | mikma | i'm guessing i'm missing something fucking important now |
| 01:28.03 | mikma | cause if i go dw with rapiers, i miss pretty much 90% of the swings |
| 01:28.11 | Dagmar | I'm thinking it's probably "fighting dirty:" |
| 01:28.29 | Dagmar | You should have the feat to reduce the dual-weapon penalty |
| 01:28.33 | Dagmar | If you don't, just use one weapon |
| 01:29.03 | Dagmar | piercing weapon or not, they get swung like they're shortswords, so you can pretty much slap three guys with 'em at once |
| 01:29.04 | mikma | the lighthouse dungeon was annoying |
| 01:29.20 | mikma | damn, i missed the last chest because some fire mob pwned my tender ass |
| 01:29.30 | Dagmar | This is why the weapon sets are there |
| 01:29.42 | Dagmar | I've already caught some people trying to get advice on which weapon they should use _all the time_ |
| 01:30.00 | Dagmar | The answer to that is "Which weapon looks best in your hand when you're being resurrected" |
| 01:30.20 | Dagmar | You keep swinging a firey weapon at a flame elemental, and he'll just giggle at you |
| 01:30.35 | Dagmar | ...and then eat your face. |
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| 01:30.58 | mikma | yeah, that's what i thought |
| 01:31.03 | mikma | then i changed to mace to swing his ass |
| 01:31.15 | mikma | he ate my face and i couldn't go back in the lighthouse |
| 01:31.19 | mikma | "you are not on the quest" |
| 01:31.22 | mikma | like, wtf |
| 01:33.39 | mikma | what can i do with these amber vials and such |
| 01:34.29 | Adys | Ran Geva noticed that Google's date range restrictions have been extended and you can now find web pages published less than one minute ago or even less than 10 seconds ago. |
| 01:34.33 | Adys | How is that even possible? |
| 01:34.36 | Adys | I mean |
| 01:34.44 | Adys | humanly, not on google's side |
| 01:34.58 | kd3 | google, seeing into the future~~~~~~! |
| 01:35.05 | Adys | you hear about a news, you go to google.com, you type the query |
| 01:35.10 | Adys | all that alone takes 30 seconds |
| 01:35.35 | Shadowed | Google invented magic duh |
| 01:35.38 | Pneumatus | searchbar + typing < 10sec |
| 01:36.12 | Adys | if you know in advance what you're gonna type, and it's short, sur |
| 01:36.13 | Adys | sure |
| 01:36.16 | Adys | but look |
| 01:36.39 | Adys | if you hear about an event, either you're on your tv, or someone told you on IM and chances are he's not the first one to know |
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| 01:39.36 | Adys | in other news |
| 01:39.37 | Adys | Initial WebGL Support Lands In WebKit |
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| 01:52.05 | mikma | yeah |
| 01:52.13 | mikma | i guess this is enough for today |
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| 01:54.52 | mikma | wobwork: so, resting in dungeons. how? |
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| 01:58.21 | WobWork | mikma: find a rest shrine? |
| 01:59.06 | mikma | wobwork: no other way? |
| 01:59.21 | mikma | except bottles |
| 01:59.29 | Kraps | DDO? |
| 01:59.29 | mikma | which are expensive as hell |
| 02:00.13 | Kraps | since when does mmoc have private threads? http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=107336.msg1462752;topicseen#new |
| 02:02.52 | WobWork | Kraps: yeah |
| 02:03.04 | WobWork | mikma: travel with a healer is the only other way I think |
| 02:03.45 | mikma | lal foo |
| 02:03.51 | mikma | that sucks balls |
| 02:04.02 | mikma | you are a healer, with monk? |
| 02:04.59 | WobWork | kinda |
| 02:05.02 | WobWork | not til level 3 |
| 02:05.11 | WobWork | I could roll a cleric |
| 02:05.31 | WobWork | I 'heal' by doing combos |
| 02:05.36 | WobWork | and healcursing the target |
| 02:05.44 | WobWork | so you heal yourself when you hit it |
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| 02:05.52 | mikma | heh |
| 02:05.55 | WobWork | but that's only one or two hp per |
| 02:06.08 | mikma | i wonder what happens with rogue and monk |
| 02:06.15 | WobWork | We sneak around |
| 02:06.19 | WobWork | and hit things before they can hit us |
| 02:06.40 | WobWork | You note, you don't get knocked out of stealth if you don't get hit? |
| 02:06.43 | Kraps | do you tend to put your real name when signing up for mmos? |
| 02:06.47 | WobWork | Kraps: no |
| 02:06.55 | Kraps | really? |
| 02:07.04 | WobWork | account info? |
| 02:07.05 | A-KO | ..... |
| 02:07.07 | WobWork | yeah probably |
| 02:07.07 | A-KO | I do? |
| 02:07.12 | A-KO | because uhm, it's on my credit card? lol |
| 02:07.16 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 02:07.17 | Dagmar | Not only do you not leave stealth, but rather often you can get in more than one hit before the mob is "ready" |
| 02:07.28 | WobWork | Turbine already have my details anyway =) |
| 02:07.31 | mikma | wobwork: well lets sneak today when i wake up. |
| 02:07.46 | WobWork | how many hours from now? =) |
| 02:07.51 | WobWork | I'll be free in about 10 =) |
| 02:07.52 | Dagmar | As absurd as it sounds, if your stealth is good enough, you can walk up to three mobs facing a campfire and kill them all before they can reacy |
| 02:07.52 | mikma | opening a hit from sneak |
| 02:08.01 | WobWork | Dagmar: I've done that =) |
| 02:08.05 | mikma | just go at the back and clickclickclick? |
| 02:08.07 | Kraps | i used a false name when i signed up fow wow :( |
| 02:08.09 | Dagmar | You kill one without leaving stealth, the other two just don't see you |
| 02:08.18 | Dagmar | mikma: ALWAYS when you can |
| 02:08.38 | WobWork | how do 'sneak attacks' work, Dagmar? |
| 02:08.39 | mikma | ya, that guarantees 1-2 shotted mobs |
| 02:08.41 | WobWork | is it automatic? |
| 02:08.43 | Dagmar | As a rogue you get a backstab bonus just because the mob isn't targeting _you_ at the moment |
| 02:08.58 | WobWork | I don't think monks get sneak attack |
| 02:09.01 | Dagmar | You can get anotehr bonus just from _not beign dead center in front_ |
| 02:09.02 | mikma | wobwork: afaik, sneak behind and just leftmousebutton on mob |
| 02:09.21 | mikma | also |
| 02:09.27 | Dagmar | So like, sneak up behind them, hit them as many times as you can before they can turn around, and then start circling around them |
| 02:09.32 | mikma | i fucking LOVE the trip on rogue |
| 02:09.36 | mikma | best thing ever |
| 02:09.47 | Dagmar | If someone insists on not being hit, kick that Bluff ability in |
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| 02:09.49 | mikma | trip, whoopsie, *stabs in the face* |
| 02:09.57 | Dagmar | "OMG Elvis is over there!" |
| 02:10.02 | Dagmar | They turn around, free backstabs. |
| 02:10.08 | Dagmar | Much luls are had by all |
| 02:10.11 | WobWork | terrible =) |
| 02:10.24 | WobWork | I kinda guess I'm playing my monk more as a rogue |
| 02:10.33 | WobWork | without the lockpicking and stuff |
| 02:10.35 | mikma | ronk |
| 02:10.41 | Dagmar | Kung fu masta! |
| 02:10.42 | WobWork | nah, more NINJA =) |
| 02:10.53 | Dagmar | Ninja is a whole 'nother class |
| 02:11.00 | WobWork | true |
| 02:11.01 | WobWork | k |
| 02:11.06 | WobWork | SNEAKYMONK |
| 02:11.08 | Dagmar | DDO rules are _detailed_ |
| 02:11.14 | WobWork | or MONK-EY |
| 02:11.18 | mikma | i saw a level 8, too! |
| 02:11.22 | Dagmar | If there's something that you think would give you an advantage in a "real" fight, it probably will in DDO |
| 02:11.33 | Dagmar | ...adn as a wizard, never underestimate the power of tumbling |
| 02:11.50 | mikma | tumbling is fun |
| 02:11.58 | mikma | almost faster than runnin |
| 02:11.58 | Dagmar | At release I used to get mobs pissed off at me and do cartwheels around the room until someone with a sword could deal with it |
| 02:12.29 | Dagmar | Nightgowns are very conducive to tumbling |
| 02:12.39 | mikma | zombies cant even see where you went |
| 02:12.44 | mikma | they hit the air |
| 02:12.48 | Dagmar | Personally, I think for "most fun" a shield wall and Wall Of Fire takes the prize |
| 02:13.15 | Dagmar | You will be making use of the "no one can run _through_ anyone else" mechanic later in the game |
| 02:13.44 | Dagmar | 20 zombies coming? No problem. Plate wearers equip shields, block the door. Plant AoE fire on the zombie side. |
| 02:13.47 | Dagmar | Don nosepins. |
| 02:13.57 | mikma | ya =D |
| 02:14.09 | Dagmar | Yes, it's totally legal to do stuff like that in AD&D rules. :) |
| 02:14.18 | mikma | hey |
| 02:14.24 | mikma | thats even told in the hints |
| 02:14.27 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 02:14.45 | Dagmar | There is far more "twitch" in DDO than people are used to |
| 02:14.45 | WobWork | Dagmar: I find it hard to incorporate the tumbling into my normal movement |
| 02:14.49 | mikma | "protect the casters by blocking them behind the "tank"" |
| 02:14.59 | Dagmar | You can stop arrows that way, too |
| 02:15.05 | WobWork | since I mouseturn, it makes swapping to shift-movement keys difficult |
| 02:15.46 | mikma | you dont get +hit when you tumble and attack? |
| 02:16.03 | mikma | like when moving, its 0 |
| 02:16.14 | mikma | stand still, +4 (with rapier) |
| 02:16.23 | Dagmar | If you're tumbling you're not worrying about a tohit bonus, you want the guys to have the tumbling penalty for trying to hit you, a rapidly moving target |
| 02:16.35 | mikma | ah |
| 02:16.43 | mikma | thats why they miss me haha |
| 02:16.46 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 02:17.16 | mikma | i just love to tumble to archers |
| 02:17.16 | mikma | they just cant hit |
| 02:17.16 | Dagmar | That's why wearing a terrycloth robe, as a wizard with high tumbling skills, I could run around the combat area more or less with impunity, projectiles notwithstanding |
| 02:17.34 | mikma | left, forward, right, forward, left, trip, *facestab* |
| 02:17.39 | Dagmar | I'd like to see Gandalf do a tuck and roll and come up casting a fireball |
| 02:19.08 | Dagmar | Take "facestab" out of your repertoire as a rogue |
| 02:19.14 | Dagmar | You want _backstab_ |
| 02:19.33 | Dagmar | If you're nimble enough you can definitely just keep running around behind some mobs and they'll never touch you |
| 02:19.48 | mikma | no, you cant backstab them when they are on the ground, naha |
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| 02:19.52 | mikma | only facestab |
| 02:19.56 | Dagmar | Ah okay |
| 02:20.38 | mikma | or, can you? |
| 02:20.42 | mikma | havent tested |
| 02:20.48 | Dagmar | I dunno. I'd have to check the rulebook |
| 02:20.55 | mikma | beating theƶ when they are sown is just too much fun |
| 02:21.02 | mikma | them* |
| 02:21.06 | mikma | down* |
| 02:21.06 | Dagmar | I'm pretty sure there's _bound_ to be some kind of damage or tohit bonus for assaulting someone lying flat on their back |
| 02:21.33 | Dagmar | I prefer to backstab-one-shot them from behind as I'm running by |
| 02:22.08 | Dagmar | I'm sure I'm going to wind up finding out I need more reflex save if I keep running through these places full-tilt tho |
| 02:22.09 | mikma | i use trio on bosses and large crowds |
| 02:22.27 | Shirik | How the hell do I do an interactive merge |
| 02:22.34 | Shirik | I hit "do merge interactively" and now I'm sitting at a screen that says |
| 02:22.36 | Shirik | # $Revision: 552 $ | # $Revision: 617 $ |
| 02:22.36 | Shirik | % |
| 02:24.26 | Dagmar | Oh man why didn't I look up ZP earlier this week |
| 02:25.01 | mikma | whats zp |
| 02:25.24 | Dagmar | Zero Punctuation |
| 02:26.31 | Dagmar | Probably the meanest game reviewer there is |
| 02:26.37 | Dagmar | If he DOESN'T pan something, you know it |
| 02:26.40 | Dagmar | s worth your money |
| 02:26.52 | WobWork | it's an AWESOME review |
| 02:26.57 | mikma | is it the animation with aus accent that talks freaking fast |
| 02:27.11 | WobWork | about 2/3rds in, you completely forget he's doing the entire thing in limericks, it's -that- smooth |
| 02:27.26 | WobWork | mikma: yeah, it's more a brit accent though |
| 02:27.40 | WobWork | he hasn't been fully assimmilated yet |
| 02:27.46 | mikma | mixed? |
| 02:27.54 | WobWork | nah, he moved over here |
| 02:28.16 | mikma | i watched his portal -review |
| 02:31.00 | Jerub | he's a local here. |
| 02:31.15 | Jerub | they're also working on a game review video segment. 'Game Damage' or something. |
| 02:31.16 | Adys | shirik |
| 02:31.17 | WobWork | qlder? |
| 02:31.19 | Adys | i love you |
| 02:31.21 | Dagmar | Hahah |
| 02:31.26 | Dagmar | He didn't pan Wolfenstien |
| 02:31.26 | Jerub | yeah. |
| 02:31.38 | Dagmar | That was almost glowing praise for ZP |
| 02:31.39 | Shirik | Adys? |
| 02:31.41 | Jerub | I found out a few weeks ago he asked out a friend of mine and she turned him down ;) |
| 02:31.46 | WobWork | hehe |
| 02:31.48 | WobWork | I don't blame her |
| 02:31.51 | Adys | Shirik: I dunno |
| 02:31.55 | WobWork | could you imagine -that- in bed? =P |
| 02:31.55 | Jerub | apparently he's entirely emotionally broken. |
| 02:32.38 | WobWork | well, he spends the majority of his day referring to himself in the third person. That's got to have some effect over time =) |
| 02:33.36 | batrick | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/is_using_a_minotaur_to_gore?utm_source=b-section |
| 02:35.08 | mikma | wobwork: haha, "that in bed" |
| 02:35.42 | Jerub | adds "that in bed" to his list of quips to go with "that's what she said" and "in my pants" |
| 02:35.51 | mikma | yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHH.... yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap yap |
| 02:36.57 | mikma | dagmar: is multiclass a good idea? |
| 02:37.22 | Arrowmaster | its a d&d based game, NO! |
| 02:37.47 | WobWork | not unless you hate yourself =) |
| 02:37.59 | WobWork | at least not to start with |
| 02:38.10 | WobWork | You can get to hating yourself, once you get a bit more experienced in the game |
| 02:38.23 | Arrowmaster | although i had a triple class character in a d&d 3.0 game |
| 02:38.28 | mikma | i would love to have a ability to heal myself |
| 02:38.40 | WobWork | I never played that much DnD, but even I know that it takes a hell of a lot of work to multiclass |
| 02:38.49 | mikma | i saw a tripleclass before i loggoed out |
| 02:39.03 | WobWork | was he sitting in a corner rocking himself back and forth? |
| 02:39.25 | mikma | nope, posing out like a cock at the crappile... |
| 02:39.58 | Arrowmaster | you take xp penalties out the ass in DnD if you dont keep them equal to each other, or the highest one isnt one of your races favored classes |
| 02:40.11 | mikma | wobwork: "cant sleep, clown wull eat me. cant sleep, clown wull eat me." |
| 02:40.37 | mikma | damn those tpyos |
| 02:40.39 | Arrowmaster | but i had a 20Rogue/15Warrior/5Wizard, xp penalties werent really a concern |
| 02:41.01 | mikma | i was thinking like rogue/cleric |
| 02:41.34 | Arrowmaster | you would only get a very limited amount of small heals per day unless you actually leveled the cleric up |
| 02:41.34 | Dagmar | I'm a purist |
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| 02:42.10 | mikma | ok, useless. |
| 02:42.15 | Amarande | hmm |
| 02:42.18 | mikma | sticking it with rogue. |
| 02:42.23 | Amarande | wonder how long before the Turalyon board has alliance posting "Alvaerin is a ninja" :) |
| 02:42.31 | Amarande | let's see ... |
| 02:42.35 | Amarande | I had just gotten to icecrown |
| 02:42.44 | Amarande | and right near the horde zeppelin, way below on the ground I see this titanium |
| 02:42.53 | Amarande | so being a miner of course I get right on my netherdrake and make a beeline for it |
| 02:43.08 | Amarande | of course, it's surrounded by undead (and I've forgotten to set my view distance settings since reinstalling wow so I didn't see half of them) |
| 02:43.10 | Amarande | so of course I die. |
| 02:43.20 | Dagmar | hahaha |
| 02:43.21 | Amarande | I get back, get my corpse, realize I can't go straight to the titanium so I start drilling a path in |
| 02:43.31 | Amarande | meanwhile, this draenei comes by, sees the titanium, tries to just land and grab it |
| 02:43.33 | Amarande | and of course he dies |
| 02:43.53 | Amarande | and by the time HE gets back, I've drilled my way through and just before he can get back to the titanium himself I've grabbed it while my voidwalker holds off the last guarding mob |
| 02:43.59 | Amarande | :) |
| 02:44.11 | Kraps | "Home delivery ViagraXanax Vicodin" |
| 02:44.31 | mikma | amarande: and..? |
| 02:44.32 | Kraps | a painless, worry-free boner |
| 02:44.41 | Amarande | mikma: wondering if now he's gonna try to paint me as a ninja. LOL |
| 02:44.48 | mikma | umm |
| 02:45.13 | mikma | i've never seen people shouting shit at others for "stealing" veins |
| 02:45.36 | Amarande | actually, I kinda felt bad for the guy, and wished there was cross-faction chat |
| 02:45.42 | Amarande | because I saw him going straight to do the thing that I'd first tried |
| 02:45.45 | mikma | there is |
| 02:45.48 | mikma | assmonkey |
| 02:45.53 | Amarande | and really kinda wanted to say "ummm ... you really don't want to try that ..." |
| 02:46.00 | mikma | create a alliance and go say him something |
| 02:46.16 | Amarande | it was like, in the middle of that valley in icecrown that's full of the ghouls and undead mages that don't even give loot |
| 02:46.30 | mikma | ya |
| 02:46.41 | Amarande | I guess it's his fault for not looking around and thinking |
| 02:46.46 | mikma | ok sleepy time so i can play with wobbly. maybe. |
| 02:47.01 | Amarande | I mean ... "this blood elf is actually taking the time to kill the mobs. mobs that don't even drop loot. could it be that if I try to just grab the titanium I'M GONNA DIE?" heh |
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| 02:48.29 | Amarande | that's probably my least favorite thing about wotlk as a warlock, though |
| 02:48.46 | Amarande | between the vehicles and some of the gimmicks, there's too much crap that takes up your pet slot too often |
| 02:49.03 | Amarande | there were quests in BC that gobbled your pet slot and I hated those too :S |
| 02:49.05 | Dagmar | Your pet is never out during those times |
| 02:49.15 | Dagmar | Fix your UI up a bit |
| 02:49.29 | Amarande | well, I mean, if it had been a previous expansion, and one had taken something like the breadcrumb to icecrown |
| 02:49.34 | Amarande | they'd have just put you on one of the regular flying taxis |
| 02:49.49 | Dagmar | Tehre is one of those |
| 02:49.59 | Amarande | however, in wotlk, the initial taxi to icecrown (and with 140 freaking quests for the achievement, damn straight I'm doing the breadcrumbs) |
| 02:50.15 | Dagmar | ...although there's little stopping you from just jogging all the way to the floaty triangle gem |
| 02:51.03 | Amarande | anyway, that initial taxi is a vehicle, so ... you go and get off the starting zeppelin, land, and realize you're a squishy standing among about 13 ghouls with no pet ... |
| 02:51.14 | tem | Well.... |
| 02:51.20 | Amarande | I actually died TWICE there, I might have been mad enough to go pvp on the draenei if he'd gotten the ore |
| 02:51.27 | tem | Icehowl just bugged |
| 02:51.35 | Dagmar | This is why you look _before_ you leap off your mount |
| 02:51.38 | Amarande | thankfully, I knew full well he wasn't gonna get the ore. :) |
| 02:51.48 | Amarande | he even used up his ankh cooldown to try to get the titanium ... all he did was die again LOL |
| 02:51.54 | tem | he's stuck trying to kill a pet |
| 02:52.01 | tem | and not doing damage to the raid |
| 02:52.05 | Amarande | Dagmar: well, I didn't realize that I'd had different video settings than last time I played wow |
| 02:52.09 | tem | we're going to kill this boss illigitimately |
| 02:52.11 | Amarande | so I didn't even SEE half the ghouls until they were already mobbing me |
| 02:52.15 | tem | (hard mode) |
| 02:52.21 | Amarande | I thought they'd nerfed the view distance or somesuch |
| 02:57.20 | tem | yep... |
| 02:57.23 | tem | it just took us 12 minutes |
| 02:57.27 | tem | but we killed hardmode beasts |
| 02:57.33 | tem | because he bugged out |
| 02:57.40 | tem | now we've got to figure out what to do with this |
| 03:03.00 | tem | yeah, I feel dirty |
| 03:05.56 | Jerub | I did a quick norm toc before bed last night, had a geared tank and three undergeared clothies as DPS. |
| 03:06.12 | Jerub | one of the clothies realised he'd have to oppose the other two in rolls, so bugged out. |
| 03:06.57 | Jerub | So we did it 4man. We had exactly 1 death on the first encounter, which was the first time I've ever not run out after jousting, then no deaths for the rest of the encounter. |
| 03:07.09 | Jerub | and eadric was textbook. We hit him with his own hammer 3 times. |
| 03:09.04 | Jerub | all in all, i enjoyed myself :D |
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| 03:19.52 | ZorbaTHut | haha. someone donated one cent to questhelper, then immediately disputed the payment |
| 03:20.00 | ZorbaTHut | man, that guy wanted to make it *really clear* how much he dislikes me. |
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| 03:21.10 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: be careful with that. paypal will react to disputes by shutting down the account and then demanding you prove your authenticity, while refusing to talk to you. |
| 03:21.27 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, yeah, well, there's not a lot I can do about it |
| 03:21.49 | ZorbaTHut | I flush everything to a bank account pretty frequently, but besides that, *shrug* |
| 03:22.02 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: okay, flushing to your bank account is the best thing you can do imho. |
| 03:22.31 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: so you're responsible for QG? |
| 03:22.32 | Jerub | er QH |
| 03:22.36 | ZorbaTHut | better than that, I flush to a bank account whose sole purpose for existence is to act as a repository for Paypal, which is then transferred out to a different bank account. I swear I'm going to end up investigated for money laundering one of these days |
| 03:22.48 | ZorbaTHut | yup, I am. Not the original designer, but at this point the codebase is mostly mine |
| 03:23.03 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: Is it appropriate for me to say I love you? :) |
| 03:23.12 | WobWork | only if you say it with chocolates |
| 03:23.14 | ZorbaTHut | I'll consider that to be appropriate ;) |
| 03:23.23 | ZorbaTHut | glad you enjoy it :) |
| 03:23.29 | WobWork | I four manned htoc the other night |
| 03:23.37 | Jerub | WobWork: sweet. |
| 03:23.39 | WobWork | it's -nice- to run with competant people |
| 03:23.52 | Jerub | Occsaionally I'll be invited to pugs and be pleasantly surprised. |
| 03:24.01 | Arrowmaster | with the shady practices paypal has of handling disputes by withdrawing money from bankaccounts without authorization i dont think any lawyer or investigator would blame you zorba |
| 03:24.12 | WobWork | Arrowmaster: ugh |
| 03:24.22 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, yeah, if they ask I can just point to paypalsucks.com |
| 03:24.25 | ZorbaTHut | "what would *you* do?" |
| 03:24.39 | ZorbaTHut | and that is exactly why I have that set up, so |
| 03:25.38 | WobWork | ZorbaTHut: so you have the intermediary account so they can't pull from that once the money has passed through? |
| 03:25.44 | WobWork | good planning =) |
| 03:26.15 | ZorbaTHut | wob, exactly. at absolute worst, they get two "cycles" of money - whatever's in paypal at the time, and whatever's in my bounce account |
| 03:26.21 | ZorbaTHut | they can't hit my main bank account in any way |
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| 03:26.50 | Arrowmaster | also always use a credit card when paying for things with paypal, never draw from your bank account since you can just have the credit card company charge paypal but you cant do shit once the money has left your bank account |
| 03:27.11 | ZorbaTHut | honestly, that's a good argument for using a credit card in general, rather than a debit card |
| 03:27.14 | ZorbaTHut | (which I do also :P) |
| 03:27.27 | Jerub | My debit card is also a visa card. |
| 03:27.38 | Jerub | it just has a 0$ credit limit and is linked directly to my account |
| 03:27.43 | Jerub | I can still dispute charges through VISA |
| 03:27.50 | ZorbaTHut | if you can dispute charges, that's cool |
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| 03:29.53 | Amarande | hmm, is Aff still best DPS at high tier gear, or does Destro outdo it again once you upgrade your gear enough, like in BC? |
| 03:32.07 | Amarande | heh. I haven't used Paypal to receive money in like aaaages |
| 03:32.25 | WobWork | I've done it once or twice for ebay I think |
| 03:32.27 | Amarande | I mostly use it to buy stuff from ebay and a few select sites |
| 03:32.28 | ZorbaTHut | it's sorta mandatory for donation collecting |
| 03:32.39 | WobWork | but it goes straight to my CC account I think |
| 03:32.47 | Amarande | like RPGnow, which I trust as a reputable business, but don't trust to keep my credit card number secure because apparently their servers have been hacked in the past |
| 03:33.14 | Amarande | and sadly, most online businesses are vulnerable to that |
| 03:33.33 | Amarande | so except for big ones like newegg and amazon I'm pretty inclined to use paypal |
| 03:33.56 | Arrowmaster | meh i have a newegg prefered account |
| 03:33.57 | Amarande | actually, it's double sadly, because I feel bad for legitimate folks in places like Brazil |
| 03:34.05 | Arrowmaster | i just have to pay some bank in utah |
| 03:34.13 | Amarande | a lot of online companies won't sell to such countries anymore because there's been too much fraud from that way |
| 03:34.44 | Amarande | for instance, apparently that's where my credit card was sold to the time it was hacked out of RPGnow's server a few years ago |
| 03:35.23 | Amarande | I hope the folks who did that enjoy their time in the Eighth Circle years from now. :) |
| 03:35.41 | Amarande | yeah, I've been reading Dante lately |
| 03:35.49 | Amarande | apparently, fraud artists get to spend eternity a loooooooong way down lol |
| 03:36.30 | Amarande | he also apparently loved to talk about various kinds of fraud, too |
| 03:36.39 | Amarande | since the eighth circle has like ... 13 of the 33 cantos of Inferno |
| 03:38.37 | Amarande | newegg preferred account? |
| 03:38.42 | Amarande | isn't that like a ... store credit card? :| |
| 03:38.57 | Amarande | I've always been told most store credit cards tend to have really crappy terms |
| 03:39.26 | Arrowmaster | kinda |
| 03:39.52 | Arrowmaster | the terms werent that bad but i dont end up paying anything extra and get to make payments to pay the entire purchase off over a year |
| 03:40.15 | Arrowmaster | the trick is to always pay them off before they can get you with any interest |
| 03:40.43 | Amarande | I usually use my American Express on newegg |
| 03:40.47 | Amarande | sometimes my Visa debit |
| 03:41.01 | Amarande | also, damn you, newegg. |
| 03:41.09 | Amarande | apparently half the stuff I planned for my next rig has been discontinued already :| |
| 03:41.14 | Arrowmaster | AE is like the only card neither i or my parents have |
| 03:41.17 | Shirik | !ping |
| 03:41.17 | batbot | Shirik: pong! |
| 03:41.26 | Amarande | my first credit card was a MasterCard with a crappy limit |
| 03:41.35 | Amarande | originally 200, then they raised it to 400 a year or two later |
| 03:41.44 | Amarande | so of course I signed up for AmEx with glee when they gave me a preapproved offer in 2000 |
| 03:41.55 | Amarande | although my MC has since been raised to a better limit as well |
| 03:41.59 | Amarande | 'better' being subjective |
| 03:42.07 | Arrowmaster | heh ive had a platinum mastercard since i was 18 |
| 03:42.09 | Amarande | since I really need to get that thing paid off, it's been maxed for ages now and 19.8% is not a good rate |
| 03:42.32 | Arrowmaster | the joy of joint accounts |
| 03:42.37 | WobWork | ugh |
| 03:42.38 | Amarande | heh, you got married at 18? |
| 03:42.42 | WobWork | I have one credit card |
| 03:42.43 | Amarande | or did you folks get you one |
| 03:42.45 | WobWork | and I don't want any more |
| 03:42.56 | WobWork | and I pay it off every month |
| 03:43.01 | WobWork | I should get a debit visa |
| 03:43.14 | WobWork | but the current card is linked to my mortgage |
| 03:43.52 | Arrowmaster | no my parents had a joint account for a shell mastercard, 2 cards same number on each, and when it came up for renewal and new cards needed issued my mom put my name on the other one instead of my dads |
| 03:44.11 | Arrowmaster | i use it for gas since i get 5% off all gas purchases from shell stations |
| 03:44.24 | Amarande | heh, that must have been fun for your dad |
| 03:44.33 | Amarande | "btw honey, I trust our son more with the credit card than you" :D |
| 03:44.44 | Kraps | steam has a much smaller collection than D2D |
| 03:44.55 | WobWork | d2d? |
| 03:45.04 | Arrowmaster | well he tended to use speedway stations so he wasnt getting the 5% discount with that card |
| 03:45.10 | Amarande | Kraps: maybe, but steam is also much better at helping you maintain ownership of what you bought from them |
| 03:45.21 | Arrowmaster | but my parents have tons of cards, all paid off |
| 03:45.21 | Amarande | seeing as you can redownload stuff from steam whenever, as long as you're logged on |
| 03:45.30 | Amarande | whereas D2D lets you install it what, two or three times EVER before you have to buy it all over again? |
| 03:45.45 | Shadowed | direct2drive if I recall WobWork |
| 03:46.28 | Kraps | Amarande: what, really? |
| 03:47.18 | Amarande | Kraps: at least the last time I looked at D2D that's how it worked |
| 03:47.29 | Amarande | you had to activate it each time you installed, and you only got a certain number of activations per purchase |
| 03:47.43 | Amarande | steam, you just have to be logged onto steam to download something, don't think there's a limit |
| 03:48.05 | Amarande | personally, I tend to think Steam is probably about the best DRM can be done in a practical sense. |
| 03:48.33 | Gnarfoz | <Arrowmaster> also always use a credit card when paying for things with paypal, never draw from your bank account since you can just have the credit card company charge paypal but you cant do shit once the money has left your bank account <-- your banks are weird ;o |
| 03:48.35 | Arrowmaster | i wish the halflife2 promise applied for all games on steam though |
| 03:48.43 | Corrodias | Steam makes me spend money too easily ._. |
| 03:48.55 | Corrodias | i just go "buy buy buy" and it's like "lol ok" and then i have 50 games i haven't played yet |
| 03:48.57 | Amarande | most steam games are FPS so you're online anyway, and a simple logon-based online authentication is probably the most painless way to enforce things while providing reasonable security for the publisher |
| 03:49.19 | Gnarfoz | if a company does a direct withdrawal from my bank account, I can just make my bank reverse it ;o |
| 03:49.26 | Corrodias | and it -does- offer an offline mode, though i don't know all of the restrictions |
| 03:49.26 | Yssaril | Arrowmaster: halflife2 promise? |
| 03:49.27 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: well you can get the money back but its a lot harder and will probably involve a judge |
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| 03:50.00 | Gnarfoz | a judge? not at all, but as I was implying, things seem to be quite different in (the US, I assume) |
| 03:50.06 | Amarande | And I'm pretty sure Steam has none of the invasive kernel level DRM that other systems have, too |
| 03:50.31 | Corrodias | either that or it's so secretive and compatible that we don't notice it. |
| 03:50.32 | Amarande | not that the *notion* of kernel level DRM is necessarily bad. however, it means YOU BETTER BE CAREFUL THAT YOUR THING ISN'T BUGGY. (I'm looking at YOU, Starforce.) |
| 03:50.34 | Gnarfoz | but then, credit cards are also quite uncommon here. ^^ |
| 03:50.39 | WobWork | Corrodias: so true |
| 03:50.45 | WobWork | I have the discounts page bookmarked |
| 03:50.45 | Corrodias | :paranoia: |
| 03:50.48 | WobWork | and it's -terrible- |
| 03:50.49 | Amarande | which really is the basic problem with kernel level DRM. |
| 03:50.56 | Arrowmaster | Yssaril: supposedly theres a halflife2(+anything else valve made and you probably purchased with hl2) patch that will make it work without steam for whenever steam goes offline that they will release whenever steam goes offline for good |
| 03:51.07 | Amarande | it's usually written by people who don't realize how important it is to make sure kernel level code is tested and debugged before release :P |
| 03:51.34 | Corrodias | -especially- when its stated purpose is to make things NOT WORK in the first place |
| 03:52.20 | Kraps | OHSHITLOOKATTHECOCREATIONSCREEN |
| 03:52.46 | Amarande | although, I'm also not sure how horribly complex it is to do kernel level code in Windows |
| 03:52.47 | Yssaril | Arrowmaster: ahhh yea i remeber that |
| 03:52.57 | Corrodias | so WobWork... there's a specific page for discounts? :3 |
| 03:53.17 | WobWork | If I were home, I'd post the link... |
| 03:53.24 | Amarande | probably a lot easier in Linux |
| 03:55.53 | WobWork | Corrodias: ah, it's been depreciated |
| 03:55.59 | WobWork | for the 'specials' tab on the store |
| 03:56.08 | WobWork | (ps, Braid, only $5!) |
| 03:56.26 | Corrodias | oooh, -that- tab |
| 03:56.29 | Recluse | anyone know offhand how large an empty lua table is? |
| 03:56.29 | Corrodias | :D |
| 03:56.36 | Recluse | in memory, that is |
| 03:56.41 | WobWork | Corrodias: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=518670 |
| 03:56.44 | WobWork | is the sticky, though |
| 03:56.57 | WobWork | it's more stuff I find |
| 03:57.35 | Arrowmaster | hmm i have braid on 360 but steam is nice |
| 03:57.43 | Corrodias | i like how Football Manager is not available in Russia. o_o |
| 03:57.49 | Amarande | although I'm sure I'll probably proceed to spin around, collapse and die a horrible death now for even bringing up the idea of DRM on Linux on Freenode. :) |
| 03:58.59 | Corrodias | i should get a big piece of denim or something to put on the back of this chair, so my cat's claws don't damage the leather when it jumps up there. i have some jeans on there right now. |
| 04:00.04 | Yssaril | Recluse: http://www.wowwiki.com/Memory_usage |
| 04:00.55 | Yssaril | Recluse: and http://www.wowwiki.com/Lua_object_memory_sizes (also check out this sites discussion page) |
| 04:01.04 | Torhal | @project fubar-trainerfu |
| 04:01.06 | Repo | Torhal: No project found that matches 'fubar-trainerfu' |
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| 04:01.30 | Amarande | Corrodias: also, try using pedipaws, or whatever that thing was called |
| 04:01.42 | Amarande | would somewhat mitigate the damage-dealing capability of kitty :) |
| 04:01.46 | Corrodias | yeah, i could do that |
| 04:02.07 | Corrodias | i don't really have anything else i want to protect. |
| 04:02.19 | Recluse | ah, 32-40 depending on the page, that's what i needed :) thanks |
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| 04:10.26 | WobWork | ... |
| 04:10.28 | WobWork | for a second |
| 04:10.34 | WobWork | I thought Pedipaws was an addon |
| 04:10.39 | WobWork | and you were discussing feral dps =P |
| 04:10.42 | Amarande | :| |
| 04:10.52 | Jerub | lol |
| 04:10.59 | WobWork | it'd be an awesome name for a pvp antidruid addon |
| 04:11.01 | Amarande | Pedipaws is this thing they advertise on TV that helps you gently cut your pet's claws :P |
| 04:11.15 | WobWork | if I could only figure out what the addon would do =P |
| 04:11.36 | Amarande | say, is there a list somewhere of exactly what the wowhead gear rating means? |
| 04:11.43 | Jerub | WobWork: lower your dps by showing you pictures of manicured kittens during boss fights? |
| 04:12.00 | WobWork | Or paste Hello Kitty decals over your targets |
| 04:12.22 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, wowhead lists its weights somewhere |
| 04:12.36 | WobWork | ilvl + each stat * 2 + random number drawn from the Mayan Calendar |
| 04:12.50 | Amarande | I mean, exactly what the total rating *means*, in a practical sense |
| 04:12.59 | Amarande | like, whether it can be directly corresponded to readiness for XYZ instance |
| 04:13.04 | WobWork | I suspect it means the same as any weighting =) |
| 04:13.09 | ZorbaTHut | it means "we added up all your weights, and this is the number you requested" |
| 04:13.13 | WobWork | "Only in comparison to itself" |
| 04:13.21 | Jerub | I want a feral addon that shows me what abilities i can hit like in DDR. |
| 04:13.22 | ZorbaTHut | its practical meaning depends entirely on the weighting, and some of the wowhead rating schemes are absolute trash |
| 04:13.56 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, check out EventHorizon |
| 04:14.05 | Jerub | looks |
| 04:14.09 | WobWork | Jerub: I've linked it before... http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e388/vertidog/catdps.jpg |
| 04:15.28 | Jerub | WobWork: yeah, i <3 that. |
| 04:15.40 | Amarande | heh, yeah, you're right about the weighting system |
| 04:15.45 | Amarande | mainly, because it doesn't take class into account at all |
| 04:16.02 | ZorbaTHut | there are wowhead rating schemes somewhere that are designed for specific classes/specs |
| 04:17.01 | ZorbaTHut | it's worth pointing out that their built-in fury warrior rating scheme rates attack power as being approximately 50% more valuable than strength |
| 04:17.16 | ZorbaTHut | despite the fact that a single point of str gives *more than two atk* |
| 04:17.32 | ZorbaTHut | so they're basically garbage, you have to make your own if you want it to not suck. |
| 04:19.51 | Amarande | I'm also thinking about how http://www.wowhead.com/?item=43833 is given a whopping 112 weight points ... on a warlock. |
| 04:20.55 | Shirik | Where can I buy a blank letter? |
| 04:21.03 | *** part/#wowuidev Seerah (n=Ryan@c-76-107-191-65.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 04:21.17 | *** part/#wowuidev vithos (i=vith@unaffiliated/vithos) |
| 04:25.34 | Amarande | You mean a Blank Scroll? That was part of an Aldor Netherstorm quest. :) |
| 04:28.50 | Shirik | no |
| 04:28.56 | Shirik | I mean a letter which I can write on then send to someone |
| 04:30.22 | Amarande | hmm |
| 04:30.27 | Amarande | I'm not sure I've ever seen such an item in game |
| 04:30.50 | Amarande | if you really need it to be an item, about the only thing you can do is send the message to one of your alts, so you can make an item copy of it, and then send that |
| 04:31.15 | Shirik | that's what I just did |
| 04:31.19 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure I've seen it though |
| 04:31.40 | Amarande | I've seen various blank parchments for Inscription, but nothing you can write just this or that on |
| 04:31.59 | Jerub | actually, I should do that, so i have an in game copy of my shitlist. |
| 04:32.03 | Kraps | the dual-sword guy in co is cool, and i love the way you autoface enemies |
| 04:32.37 | Jerub | had a DK last night that decided the tank was crap and thus started pulling mobs himself, got us killed a few times in H OK. |
| 04:33.04 | Jerub | we had to wonder why the dude was guildless. |
| 04:34.41 | Amarande | which server do you play on? |
| 04:35.32 | Amarande | and faction? |
| 04:35.39 | Amarande | I don't think I've ever run into a DPS who was quite that fail |
| 04:36.01 | Amarande | usually, in my past experiences when someone pulled aggro off the tank, it was for one of two reasons |
| 04:36.16 | Amarande | either a) the tank was not pulling enough TPS (especially back in the BC days where you actually had to put EFFORT into putting in enough TPS) |
| 04:36.33 | Amarande | or b) the healer was somehow unable to keep up and the tank DIED, meaning the boss was proceeding to slash left and right through us. :) |
| 04:37.10 | Jerub | dath'remar |
| 04:37.13 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure at least that I haven't had to soulshatter since BC, and my gear's quite good for 5-mans |
| 04:37.37 | Amarande | well, soulshatter in a group anyway |
| 04:37.46 | Jerub | horde. |
| 04:37.48 | Amarande | I think I've used it a few times when soloing elites if my pet was about to lose aggro |
| 04:38.21 | Jerub | it wasn't that he was taking over the tanking, he was just being a dick and pulling mobs to get the group moving. |
| 04:38.30 | Amarande | ahh THAT kind |
| 04:38.38 | Jerub | ... while the hunter (my friend) was sitting next to the tank (my wife) explaining the next fight. |
| 04:38.39 | Amarande | I almost never run into those |
| 04:38.53 | Amarande | you're talking the people who have chronic terminal Jenkinsosis. |
| 04:38.58 | Jerub | (and all of use were in the same guild) |
| 04:39.26 | Amarande | Jenkinsosis Leeroyiform. It should be an official name for the condition such players suffer. :) |
| 04:39.51 | Jerub | the worst part was, he was the disenchanter, so he bailed after the 3rd boss with all the shards. |
| 04:39.51 | ajmitch | Jerub: it's times like that where the tanks 'forgets' to taunt & the healer is conveniently AFK |
| 04:40.10 | Jerub | ajmitch: when he ran into the 4th boss without bothering to wait, we let him die. |
| 04:40.18 | Amarande | Myself, if I have any significant problem, it's that I'm sometimes slightly too *slow* to jump into battle rather than too gung ho |
| 04:40.56 | Amarande | maybe I'm too used to the BC days where you actually had to worry about the tank building up enough threat before DPSing |
| 04:41.56 | Arrowmaster | watching firefox be able to hit 160% cpu usage from too many shitty flash objects is funny |
| 04:42.24 | Arrowmaster | and still not put any core over 50% |
| 04:42.28 | Amarande | that's because flash is inherently shitty |
| 04:42.43 | Amarande | unfortunately, from what little I've seen of silverlight, I think Microsoft wins this time :| |
| 04:42.48 | Arrowmaster | its even worse on linux using the 64bit version |
| 04:43.05 | Arrowmaster | flash videos only play like half the time |
| 04:43.14 | Amarande | Arrow: well, that is also because the flash plugin for linux is epic fail |
| 04:43.17 | Arrowmaster | and sometimes they work after reloading |
| 04:43.21 | Jerub | i hate how flash is basically a conduit for the most awesome things on the intenret. |
| 04:43.23 | Amarande | does it still crash the browser spontaneously too? |
| 04:43.33 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 04:43.44 | Jerub | I wish browsers would just recognise "oh, you're a video playing flash applet" and spawn a movie player to queue the movie in a seperate window. |
| 04:43.45 | Amarande | last time I used Linux, if you left the browser going in another desktop with some flash on one of the tabs and went to chat |
| 04:43.47 | Arrowmaster | although if i could get nspluginwraper to work that wouldnt be a concern |
| 04:43.50 | Amarande | by the time you got back to the browser, it was usually gone :P |
| 04:44.05 | Amarande | since armory uses flash, this made me quite annoyed. |
| 04:44.26 | Arrowmaster | using adobe flash? |
| 04:44.38 | Arrowmaster | most distros dont come with adobe flash |
| 04:45.56 | Amarande | yeah, I would download adobe flash |
| 04:46.09 | Amarande | I forget how Debian packaged it |
| 04:46.30 | Amarande | I think it's either in the non-free section or there's a package somewhere in it that downloads and installs it when installed |
| 04:46.32 | Arrowmaster | debian has a package that will download it |
| 04:46.45 | Amarande | I haven't used any distro but debian in ages. debian is win. |
| 04:46.57 | Arrowmaster | same |
| 04:47.12 | Amarande | hell, even back in the distro wars days, I don't think Debian ever had a disparaging moniker |
| 04:47.24 | Amarande | whereas Red Hat and Slackware had Dead Rat and Slackwhore/Suckyware |
| 04:47.47 | Amarande | oh, I think there was Red Hate for Redhat, too |
| 04:48.00 | ajmitch | dead rat was the most common one I heard |
| 04:48.36 | durcyn | debian didn't fight the distro wars, they were too busy trying to make themselves irrelevant with godawful stable release policies |
| 04:48.42 | Arrowmaster | was it slackware that jumped like 4+ version numbers just for marking reasons to catch up was it redhat? |
| 04:49.30 | Arrowmaster | durcyn: which is why you use debian stable + backports or debian testing |
| 04:49.38 | Arrowmaster | stable+backports for servers |
| 04:49.44 | Arrowmaster | testing for desktops |
| 04:50.06 | ajmitch | volatile for those other bits that need to be updated even more often |
| 04:50.28 | Arrowmaster | true |
| 04:50.47 | Arrowmaster | security+volatile should always be enabled on stable, and security should always be enabled on testing |
| 04:51.12 | Arrowmaster | tzdata updates a fucking lot |
| 04:51.28 | WobWork | Shirik: I've never seen blank letter paper |
| 04:51.35 | ajmitch | because it's politicians that decide what the time is |
| 04:52.22 | Amarande | Arrow: yeah, I think that was slackware |
| 04:52.22 | Arrowmaster | unix epoch is like 3 seconds off i think right? |
| 04:52.24 | Shirik | define "off" |
| 04:52.27 | Amarande | though I'm not sure it was just RH they wanted to catch up to ... Mandriva (then Mandrake) was getting pretty high in the numbers too |
| 04:52.40 | Shirik | if you mean it's not UTC, then yes |
| 04:52.46 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 04:52.49 | Shirik | it's GMT |
| 04:52.53 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 04:52.59 | ajmitch | leap seconds? |
| 04:53.02 | Shirik | it is |
| 04:53.03 | Amarande | meh, Debian wasn't that irrelevant |
| 04:53.06 | Amarande | well |
| 04:53.09 | Shirik | whether or not it's supposed to be is under question |
| 04:53.11 | Shirik | but that's what it is |
| 04:53.12 | Amarande | unless you tried to use bleeding edge stuff like WINE |
| 04:53.18 | Arrowmaster | yeah it doesnt include leap seconds, which tzdata is then used to account for |
| 04:53.22 | Amarande | but in my more recent linux experiences, for the most part if you wanted something new for debian |
| 04:53.31 | Amarande | you just pulled the source package from sid and built a custom deb against the current version |
| 04:53.41 | Amarande | and it almost always worked unless that source package needed libraries newer than what you had |
| 04:53.56 | Shirik | tbh, I don't understand the purpose of leap seconds |
| 04:54.05 | Shirik | do we really care that much? |
| 04:54.31 | Arrowmaster | its because "time" must be exact, a year must be "exactly" one revolution around the sun |
| 04:54.56 | Arrowmaster | i dont understand the purpose of days being 24 hours |
| 04:56.03 | Shadowed | Day ends when you go to sleep, starts when you wake up. 24 hours be damned |
| 04:56.09 | Arrowmaster | i think theres been multiple studies that have shown the human body will naturally adjust to a cycle longer than 24 hours if you remove the concept of night and day |
| 04:56.26 | Amarande | Arrow: I think 24 hour days started with cultures like the Romans with their sundial |
| 04:56.34 | Amarande | for some reason they divided the daytime into 12 hours |
| 04:56.43 | Amarande | and I suppose then later on it became only logical for night to be 12 more hours |
| 04:57.01 | Amarande | also, 24 is actually one of the most 'convenient' numbers within its range, so it tends to stick pretty well |
| 04:57.04 | Amarande | kinda like 60 for minutes and hours |
| 04:57.11 | Amarande | 24 and 60 are kinda 'sweet spots' mathematically like that |
| 04:57.35 | Amarande | being 4! and 5!/2 means TONS of useful factors |
| 04:57.36 | Arrowmaster | until you start getting more precise than seconds |
| 04:58.05 | Arrowmaster | especially when nobody can fucking sick to a common format |
| 04:58.09 | Amarande | there are actually some folks who say that if it wasn't for the whole finger counting thing, we'd be better off with base 12 than base 10 |
| 04:58.44 | Amarande | which I'd have to say I'd agree with, especially for division purposes |
| 04:58.54 | Amarande | seeing as 12 is divisible by basically, every number that can POSSIBLY divide it, except 5 |
| 04:59.03 | Arrowmaster | fucking audio cds divide seconds into 75 parts, who the fuck else does that |
| 04:59.22 | Amarande | *shrug* |
| 04:59.26 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: man, the CD. |
| 04:59.42 | Amarande | Arrow: probably some arbitrary thing they settled on to optimize between audio smoothness and space usage |
| 04:59.43 | Arrowmaster | audio cd and dvd are fucking horrible horrible formats |
| 04:59.44 | Jerub | it was designed by truely inspired engineers managed by monkeys on crack. |
| 05:00.10 | Jerub | do you know the story of why the hole in the middle of the CD is the size it is? |
| 05:00.18 | Amarande | less parts and the music crumbles too easily into successive frames |
| 05:00.23 | Amarande | more and they can't fit as much on the disc :S |
| 05:00.36 | Shadowed | Jerub: flipped a coin and the winner decided the size? |
| 05:00.40 | Jerub | Shadowed: VERY CLOSE. |
| 05:00.52 | Jerub | An engineer asked a manager, "how big should the hole be" |
| 05:00.56 | Arrowmaster | they dont use any form of timeline on cds |
| 05:00.57 | Shadowed | They were lazy and used the size of a coin to determine how large it should be? |
| 05:01.16 | Jerub | and the manager said, "about the size of a XX coin" (I don't remember the size, I think it was a piece of dutch currency) |
| 05:01.25 | Jerub | so it is exactly the size of a coin. yes. |
| 05:01.51 | Amarande | meh, it's no more arbitrary than saying "ok, 30 mm" or something like that |
| 05:02.33 | Shadowed | should have been more creative and said circumference of his penis |
| 05:02.43 | Shadowed | would make for a better story too |
| 05:02.52 | Jerub | the mean girth, the base or the widest point? |
| 05:03.02 | Shadowed | I didn't think it through that far |
| 05:04.25 | Amarande | Shadowed: sadly, Jerub has a point. |
| 05:04.32 | Amarande | someday, you'll be on a quest |
| 05:04.39 | Amarande | and end up tossed into an abyss by the question guy because of that. :D |
| 05:04.56 | Shadowed | Druids have flight form and Azeroth will have flying mounts by then so |
| 05:04.59 | Amarande | or you'll be the question guy and have to fall into the abyss after that. :) |
| 05:05.00 | Shadowed | I'll be fine :> |
| 05:05.13 | Amarande | and we're talking an abyss that's roughly about falling off of TB height. :D |
| 05:05.19 | Jerub | Shadowed: you'll be in combat, you won't be able to hit flight form |
| 05:05.33 | Jerub | however, if it's just TB high, then cat form should see you safe |
| 05:05.40 | Amarande | actually, that reminds me |
| 05:05.41 | Shadowed | will see about that |
| 05:05.53 | Amarande | how far do you normally have to fall off an edge in combat before you drop out and can hit flightform? |
| 05:06.03 | Amarande | I know it's not all THAT far in some cases |
| 05:06.08 | Jerub | Amarande: I've only really used that trick in outland, where there's no bottom. |
| 05:06.10 | Amarande | because that's how druids can escape from dragonmaw ascendants, in particular |
| 05:06.10 | Shadowed | an edge as in, the world edge in outlands? |
| 05:06.28 | Amarande | Shadowed: either the world edge or an edge which falling off of is enough to be fatal |
| 05:06.32 | Jerub | i mistakenly used that trick in halaa, and it killed me. |
| 05:07.02 | Arrowmaster | failure of a pvp zone |
| 05:07.10 | Amarande | dragonmaw ascendants were just evil though |
| 05:07.11 | Shadowed | I don't remember how far you have to drop |
| 05:07.15 | Amarande | I think they were there as a money soak to help the game economy |
| 05:07.22 | Shadowed | But maybe 60 yards? |
| 05:07.29 | batrick | wow I got kicked from #python for asking if they have a Lua tostring() equivalent for returning pointers of objects |
| 05:07.31 | Amarande | by forcing you to get stuck with repair bills if you even aggroed them without a group |
| 05:07.43 | Amarande | after all, this was back in BC |
| 05:07.59 | Amarande | and if you were doing quests on netherwing ledge, it meant you'd already SPENT the biggest money sink the game throws at you |
| 05:08.05 | Amarande | so they had to do -something- to keep it under control. :) |
| 05:08.08 | Shadowed | The mob will just auto leash due to the distance you are from them which drops you out of combat |
| 05:08.30 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: but that place was great for farming gold |
| 05:08.34 | Amarande | since by definition, you had to have epic flying if you were doing netherwing dailies |
| 05:08.47 | Amarande | Arrow: probably why they socked us with random repair bills in mob form |
| 05:08.53 | Amarande | at least, if you weren't good |
| 05:08.59 | Amarande | or if you were masochistic enough to do the races |
| 05:09.11 | Amarande | speaking of which, I wonder if the races are even reasonable to do now :| |
| 05:09.34 | Jerub | batrick: yeah, dash is grumpy. got no interest in answering irrelevent question. |
| 05:09.36 | Amarande | or if there's really only three ways to have a fun time with them |
| 05:09.39 | Amarande | a) have a 310% mount |
| 05:09.44 | Amarande | b) be a paladin with crusader aura |
| 05:10.00 | Shadowed | hrm? |
| 05:10.04 | Amarande | c) make sure you do it before hitting 71 so you can use the riding crop |
| 05:10.05 | Shadowed | the races weren't that hard even without them |
| 05:10.22 | Arrowmaster | i made back more than the cost of epic flying by the time i got the 4th horde drake on the server, which was only because out of the 4 of us that could get it that first day i went to sleep thinking the servers would go down for maintenance before the dailies reset |
| 05:10.50 | Amarande | yeah, netherwing dailies are really lucrative |
| 05:11.10 | Amarande | although I probably got less out of it than I could have because my grind was rather eggy |
| 05:11.32 | Amarande | and once I hit exalted I decided it was more efficient to just do shattered sun dailies |
| 05:11.34 | Arrowmaster | did you not see the part where i said i got the 4th horde drake on the server, in 7 days from patch |
| 05:11.44 | Arrowmaster | i had the fucking eggs maped |
| 05:11.44 | Amarande | 7? |
| 05:11.54 | Amarande | I thought it took 14 ... ah, you had more eggs |
| 05:12.05 | Amarande | I managed it the night before I left for Dragon Con in 2008 |
| 05:12.16 | Amarande | I probably could have had more eggs |
| 05:12.17 | batrick | Jerub: I think I'll write a post about it on their mailing list. That's about as unprofessional as it gets. |
| 05:12.20 | Arrowmaster | more than mapped, i had the fortress memorized |
| 05:12.23 | Amarande | but for the most part I didn't risk the ones topside and only got the ones in the mine |
| 05:12.36 | batrick | People get badgering me about my intent when it is completely irrelevant |
| 05:12.37 | Amarande | because I found if I spent too much time on the ground I got wonked by the ascendants too often :P |
| 05:12.48 | Jerub | batrick: fyi, I run #python |
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| 05:13.13 | Arrowmaster | and i still had time to fuck with an aliance hunter that kept ganking everybody, i he stood ontop of the blacksmith forge and i feared him into the roof and he got stuck |
| 05:13.14 | batrick | Why would you allow that type of BS to be perpetuated by some power driven dumbass? |
| 05:13.18 | Arrowmaster | multiple times...... |
| 05:13.28 | Amarande | Arrow: ew, pvp server |
| 05:13.35 | Arrowmaster | he hated me a lot after that week |
| 05:13.38 | Amarande | I'll stick with battlegrounds and wg, tyvm. |
| 05:13.58 | Jerub | batrick: dash's not a dumbass. |
| 05:14.00 | Amarande | especially since I hate alliance hunters, especially |
| 05:14.05 | Amarande | I died to one of them last night after mining titanium |
| 05:14.08 | Arrowmaster | nelf too |
| 05:14.10 | Amarande | that makes two nights in a row I've died for titanium :P |
| 05:14.25 | batrick | Well he sure does act like one. I didn't do anything to deserve a kick. |
| 05:14.49 | batrick | "Help you write better programs". That's rediculous. |
| 05:14.58 | Jerub | nope. that's the channel rules. |
| 05:14.59 | batrick | Anyway I'm done ranting here. |
| 05:15.00 | Arrowmaster | i got him stuck in that blacksmith roof so many times he eventually had another alliance hunter come and pull the flying mobs to him to kill him |
| 05:15.07 | Arrowmaster | i feared that hunter into the roof too |
| 05:15.12 | Arrowmaster | they were very very angry |
| 05:15.20 | Jerub | actually, I state it a little differently. I assert the goal of #python is to make you write software that won't make Jerub throw up. |
| 05:15.47 | Jerub | I also think he overreacted, and i'm going to remove the ban in a little bit. |
| 05:16.15 | batrick | i didn't see him ban me |
| 05:16.20 | batrick | unless he did it afterwards |
| 05:16.47 | Jerub | yeah, that's weird, he banned you afterwards. I usually don't do the kick, just the ban. |
| 05:16.51 | Jerub | ymmv, |
| 05:17.39 | batrick | I looked for a channel charter for #python and never found one. |
| 05:19.06 | VonhintenHOME` | people are asshats all over the web man, get used to it |
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| 05:19.45 | VonhintenHOME` | give a man power, I'll show you a man abusing power |
| 05:20.53 | batrick | I fully expect asshats wherever I go on the internet, but having one run an _official_ channel for a respected language is baffling. |
| 05:22.02 | VonhintenHOME` | Personally, I'd like 5 minutes alone with the forum admins at elitist jerks |
| 05:22.03 | A-KO | lol |
| 05:22.11 | A-KO | batrick: welcome to the internet |
| 05:22.26 | batrick | I received my welcome many years ago but thanks for another. |
| 05:24.31 | Shirik | ok |
| 05:24.35 | Shirik | bastet is an evil, evil game |
| 05:26.46 | VonhintenHOME` | I've never been much into pets in this game, but I think I will have to get a Pandaren Monk.. that's just awesome |
| 05:27.21 | VonhintenHOME` | hope they don't make that too rare |
| 05:37.22 | Torhal | Feh. The wheel on my TrackMan just died. I guess that's not bad for a 10-year-old trackball. |
| 05:41.40 | Shirik | if you buy a new one, it will last you about 6 months |
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| 05:42.30 | bluspacecow | hello everybody :) |
| 05:44.10 | WobWork | VonhintenHOME`: truth |
| 05:44.25 | WobWork | and if his idle animation is to serve up Pizza, it'll be even more awesome |
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| 05:50.53 | Torhal | Shirik: Ugh. |
| 05:51.05 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:51.16 | Torhal | The 6 month comment. |
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| 05:52.25 | Shirik | heh |
| 05:52.28 | Shirik | do you believe me? :) |
| 05:57.37 | Torhal | Eh |
| 05:57.40 | Torhal | Dunno |
| 05:57.45 | Torhal | This is Logitech we're talking about |
| 05:59.20 | Gnarfoz | you can still buy new trackmans? |
| 06:01.27 | Torhal | Gnarfoz: Yup. |
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| 06:02.21 | Torhal | http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=542052&CatId=540 |
| 06:07.08 | Gnarfoz | not a trackball user, I just thought they didn't make them anymore, I was probably thinking of another product |
| 06:07.14 | Shirik | wow |
| 06:07.22 | Shirik | neat shot of one of the planes I worked on over the summer |
| 06:07.25 | Gnarfoz | however, I seem to have fried my sound card, which sucks. |
| 06:07.29 | Shirik | http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=defense&id=news/UAVs091009.xml&headline=Some%20UAV%20Makers%20Do%20Better%20Than%20Others |
| 06:07.40 | Shirik | as it's being launched |
| 06:07.56 | Gnarfoz | someone recommend a replacement for a SB0090 Audigy2? ;\ |
| 06:08.24 | Gnarfoz | doesn't have to have EAX or anything, I use onboard for gaming anyway |
| 06:08.36 | nevcairiel | what do you need the card for, then? |
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| 06:09.41 | nevcairiel | I just threw my audigy4 out of my comp because linux terribly fails with it |
| 06:10.24 | Gnarfoz | using it to power my speakers, which for some reason crackle with the onboard card |
| 06:10.51 | Gnarfoz | I'm only using them for 5.1 when watching movies with friends, or when I got the place to myself, for music |
| 06:11.30 | nevcairiel | I've only ever owned creative cards, but i wouldn't buy one again because of their fucked up drivers |
| 06:11.40 | nevcairiel | my onboard doesnt crackle ;) |
| 06:11.46 | Gnarfoz | can't be arsed to change connections around whenever I want to use them, since my (apparently only AC97, not HDA) front panel seems to suck, or maybe it's the drivers for the onboard card... |
| 06:12.04 | nevcairiel | Hm ok, the onboard ac97 still kidna sucked |
| 06:12.08 | nevcairiel | i'm on HDA already |
| 06:12.10 | Gnarfoz | yeah, the card was a relic from my previous build, but this board has good enough onboard to use |
| 06:12.19 | Gnarfoz | well, it's an HDA card |
| 06:12.25 | Gnarfoz | but the front panel isn't |
| 06:12.32 | Shirik | I'm starting to wonder "is there a reason to get a sound card"? |
| 06:12.38 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 06:12.39 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: not really |
| 06:12.57 | nevcairiel | My front panel works amazingly good |
| 06:12.59 | Jerub | meh, i'd use usb headphones these days. |
| 06:13.04 | nevcairiel | but i dont play much anymore |
| 06:13.08 | Arrowmaster | my onboard has 7.1 and both spdif and optical out |
| 06:13.09 | Jerub | that way i know i'll have a mic that works. |
| 06:13.09 | Gnarfoz | no thanks, not another soundcard just for headphones ;) |
| 06:13.40 | Gnarfoz | and I have a perfectly working pc160 sennheiser headset ;\ |
| 06:13.43 | Arrowmaster | i only wish it had spdif in |
| 06:14.27 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: not sure about the US but for EU, stuff with digital inputs has higher import tolls on it ;o |
| 06:14.42 | ZorbaTHut | I really wish Blizzard would make it so you could go into a raid instance alone easily |
| 06:15.08 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: so that might be a reason for that particular feature to be rather rare |
| 06:15.36 | Arrowmaster | i think my old board had digital in |
| 06:16.38 | Gnarfoz | hmm, so I could try looking for another front-panel instead, but this is a custom one that comes with the case, and even though I can't really use the front audio ports on it I'd rather not lose it (the automatic muting of speakers etc doesn't work, and I never could get the mic port to work, back when I actually tried ;)) |
| 06:17.20 | Arrowmaster | i think i have to configure something to get automatic muting to work |
| 06:17.23 | Gnarfoz | and I'd really like to know why the card died, it makes no fucking sense. |
| 06:17.36 | Arrowmaster | perty sure i saw something in the alsa config about it being disabled by default because of laptops |
| 06:17.58 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: turns out you can't solo Zul'grub due to the MC. the last boss fight resets because you're suddenly not fighting anyone. |
| 06:18.00 | Gnarfoz | I had switched my media player to output to the Audigy instead of the onboard |
| 06:18.23 | Gnarfoz | and after checking the upmix dsp settings, I noticed the rear speakers weren't playing anything at all |
| 06:18.24 | Jerub | ZorbaTHut: one of my guildies who's been collecting solo raids found that. |
| 06:19.01 | Gnarfoz | so I check the connection at the back of my box, pull the rear plug from the jack, and while putting it back in, touch the case metal; boom instand BSOD |
| 06:19.12 | Gnarfoz | (MACHINE_CHECK_EXCEPTION, too, weird as hell) |
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| 06:20.09 | Gnarfoz | that should not be carrying any current worth crap, let alone interact with the case?! the other side of it is connected to the speaker's input jack, how could there be any electrical problem oO |
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| 06:20.36 | Zhinjio | Gnarfoz: you're just shockingly charming. |
| 06:20.45 | Gnarfoz | Zhinjio: that's what she said |
| 06:22.04 | Gnarfoz | funnily enough, I seem to have another problem entirely there. turned off and unplugged the PC, touched any of the audio cables that are connected to the inputs of the speakers (actually, amplifier) to the case of my PC and I get crackling? oO |
| 06:22.40 | Zhinjio | would mention your magnetic personality, but fears that might be pushing everyone's patience. |
| 06:23.05 | bluspacecow | .... |
| 06:23.10 | bluspacecow | charming ? |
| 06:23.12 | bluspacecow | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 06:23.26 | bluspacecow | *passes out from laughter* |
| 06:23.40 | Zhinjio | tough crowd... tough crowd. |
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| 06:31.14 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: MACHINE_CHECK_EXCEPTION basically means something bad happened with the hardware :P |
| 06:31.17 | Shirik | It makes perfect sense |
| 06:32.33 | Shirik | woah holy crap |
| 06:32.40 | Shirik | I just experienced a serious power surge |
| 06:32.52 | Shirik | that was wierd |
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| 06:32.59 | Shirik | the lights in the room got so bright I couldn't see |
| 06:33.06 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, yeah, I've heard of that one |
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| 06:36.27 | ZorbaTHut | this is kind of hilarious. I'm sitting at the gate to ZG waiting for a friend to get out of an instance so I can go solo a few bosses |
| 06:36.33 | ZorbaTHut | and there's a pair of Horde who want to go in |
| 06:36.48 | ZorbaTHut | I am 100% fine with just letting them in. They want to walk past me, I won't even turn to face them |
| 06:36.55 | ZorbaTHut | but they keep trying to kill me on the way in, and that I'm not okay with |
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| 06:39.30 | bluspacecow | well of course |
| 06:39.44 | bluspacecow | your not going to just stand there and let you kill you .... |
| 06:41.27 | Jerub | s/your/you're/' |
| 06:48.24 | ZorbaTHut | I really don't get how gankhappy some people are :P |
| 06:48.46 | Jerub | i don't play on a pvp server. |
| 06:48.57 | Jerub | but i love it when some alliance turn up to the nexus stone after flying over WG |
| 06:49.21 | ZorbaTHut | You're in Stranglethorn Vale. You encounter a guy who's six levels above you and wearing custom-modeled gear with smoking faces on it. Do you: * decide not to start the fight? * decide to start the fight? |
| 06:49.34 | ZorbaTHut | good job, you just got splattered by a dude in full ulduar-25 |
| 06:52.30 | nevcairiel | thats all some people do besides raiding |
| 06:52.32 | nevcairiel | gank low levels |
| 06:52.51 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, but, y'know, if you have no chance of surviving, why be the one to *start* the fight? |
| 06:53.09 | nevcairiel | it just says ??, not that he is really 80 and all =p |
| 06:53.12 | ZorbaTHut | if I'm walking around on a level 74 character and I see a level 80, I don't try to jump him. I just keep on questing. |
| 06:53.21 | ZorbaTHut | if it's ?? you have basically no chance of surviving :P |
| 06:54.17 | nevcairiel | whats a 74 doing in STV anyway |
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| 07:05.39 | Dagmar | I suppose it's possible he could go AFK or have a power outage after you start attacking him |
| 07:07.44 | ZorbaTHut | nev, leading a friend into ZG, from the looks of it |
| 07:08.00 | Jerub | oooh, I spent my hard earned triumph badges on the T9 druid healer idol last night |
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| 07:08.03 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, my best guess is that he thought I was AFK the first time, and thought I was going to jump him the second time |
| 07:08.10 | ZorbaTHut | both of which were wrong, but |
| 07:09.04 | Jerub | +234 spell power while using rejuvination. :D |
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| 07:30.51 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, nice :) |
| 07:31.01 | ZorbaTHut | I still haven't spent a triumph badge |
| 07:31.08 | Jerub | I spent basically all of mine. |
| 07:31.08 | ZorbaTHut | but I've only got 47 of them so far |
| 07:31.12 | Amarande | hmm, to remember something ... |
| 07:31.22 | Amarande | rating requirements on arena gear is only if you use arena points to buy them, not badges, right? |
| 07:31.30 | Jerub | 50 is enough for a piece of T9 gear. |
| 07:31.41 | Jerub | Amarande: no, not afaik... |
| 07:31.53 | Jerub | although, i've never done arena, ever, so dunno |
| 07:31.57 | Amarande | also, what tier is the Emblem of Conquest badge gear? |
| 07:32.03 | Jerub | T8.25 |
| 07:32.10 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, I believe so - if it shows "rating requirement" it requires a requirement, but mouseovering pvp gear bought from badges doesn't show such a thing |
| 07:32.12 | Jerub | but you can only get chest and head. |
| 07:32.26 | ZorbaTHut | I believe the rating requirement is, strictly, "the requirement needed to buy it using arena points or honor" |
| 07:32.33 | Amarande | heh, head would be a great upgrade though |
| 07:32.37 | ZorbaTHut | once you've bought it, you've got it forever |
| 07:32.38 | Amarande | my headpiece is still ilvl 187 blue |
| 07:32.53 | Jerub | yeah, i upgraded both my heal and feral spec heads to T8.25 from ilvl 178 blues. |
| 07:33.02 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, but low-end T9, and my guild's hoping to start heroic toc 25 in a few days |
| 07:33.05 | Amarande | The only 187's I have left are my cloak and helm. The others are 200. |
| 07:33.14 | ZorbaTHut | at the very least, hoping to get through heroic toc 10 this week |
| 07:33.24 | Jerub | i've yet to do toc 10 or 25 :(( |
| 07:33.28 | ZorbaTHut | I'd rather save the badges for ilvl245 gear |
| 07:33.32 | ZorbaTHut | TOC is a damn fun instance |
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| 07:33.47 | Amarande | hm, I wonder what raid I should try to sneak into a PUG for with my gear |
| 07:34.00 | Jerub | Amarande: voa25 is the easiest to sneak into |
| 07:34.02 | Amarande | Rawr seems to estimate I do 2228 DPS, and that's just with buffs under my own power and no consumables |
| 07:34.12 | Jerub | Amarande: and the newest boss drops triumph badges and gear. |
| 07:34.17 | Amarande | not sure what it would be if I got buff food, a flask and had full raid buffs going |
| 07:34.36 | Jerub | feral druid Amarande ? |
| 07:34.40 | Amarande | Aff lock |
| 07:35.03 | Amarande | Not counting pet, a succubus (EJ says this is the best for aff) would give about another 250 |
| 07:35.05 | industrial | I'd definately play affliction on ym lock endgame too even of the others do more damage |
| 07:35.09 | industrial | its more fun :P |
| 07:35.11 | Amarande | but I imagine in a raid they'll probably not want me to use pet. |
| 07:35.16 | Amarande | isn't aff the best spec now? |
| 07:35.24 | industrial | really? I dunno tbh |
| 07:35.26 | Amarande | although I don't know if Destro edges up at high end gear again like it did in BC |
| 07:35.32 | industrial | all our locks ahve been destro for ages |
| 07:35.39 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, do heroic toc 5 if you can, get into voa10/voa25. if you haven't raided, get into anything you can, if you're experienced, wedge into at least an ulduar raiding guild |
| 07:35.41 | Amarande | I know in BC, aff started out best and then gave way to destro around T5 or so, which is why destro got popular |
| 07:36.11 | Amarande | And yeah, if I was going to play destro I would have been a fire mage :P |
| 07:36.23 | industrial | I find destro playing to much like if I'm a mage or something (my lock is 63), aflliction feels more warlock-y :p |
| 07:36.28 | industrial | idd |
| 07:36.38 | Jerub | I always like having a shammy in ToC |
| 07:37.01 | Amarande | I feel irritated about the still crappy selection of caster offhands, though :| |
| 07:37.11 | Jerub | Amarande: have you measured yourself against a heroic target dummy? |
| 07:38.32 | Amarande | not lately |
| 07:38.36 | Amarande | I don't have recount installed, either |
| 07:38.49 | Jerub | yikes. I use recount a lot. |
| 07:39.05 | Amarande | people seem to have become less of meter maids lately compared to the 3.0.x days anyway |
| 07:39.47 | Amarande | and god, there needs to be more offhand items. |
| 07:39.47 | Amarande | it's pathetic that the basic badge offhand from back in the days of badges of heroism is still the best one you can get for badges |
| 07:39.53 | Amarande | and even if you raid, you won't see a better offhand till 25's or ulduar |
| 07:40.12 | Jerub | I will bail on a H ToC where dps isn't high enough, and I like being able to see what the most damaging attacks people are doing are. |
| 07:40.17 | WobWork | Jerub: tremor totem is a wonderful thing =P |
| 07:40.37 | Amarande | Jerub: you'd bail on a H ToC just for it going a little slow? |
| 07:40.37 | Jerub | druid in my guild has a feral offspec, and using recount i realised she wasn't using shred. |
| 07:40.48 | WobWork | Amarande: If I'm healing it, hell yes |
| 07:41.00 | Amarande | or are the guys on heroic such that even with the best tank and healer you have very very little time before Black Knight outshreds the healer and you're dead? |
| 07:41.06 | Jerub | Amarande: no, H ToC is impossible unless you can burn argent crusader palestress and her memory of the past fast enough |
| 07:41.13 | WobWork | If it's going slow, there's no way I'll be able to hold everyone up for black knight phase 3 |
| 07:41.19 | Amarande | Jerub: too much DPS, or she heals? |
| 07:41.20 | WobWork | or paletress |
| 07:41.23 | Jerub | bah, i've never had trouble with the black knight. it's the damn confessor. |
| 07:41.28 | WobWork | not enough dps, and she kills everyone |
| 07:41.33 | Amarande | god |
| 07:41.38 | Amarande | don't tell me they put an enrage timer in 5's |
| 07:41.41 | WobWork | nope |
| 07:41.48 | WobWork | it's a pure damage output thing |
| 07:41.51 | Jerub | do you know the ToC instance? |
| 07:42.00 | Amarande | I've been there on regular. It seemed pretty easy. |
| 07:42.07 | WobWork | she will literally chip away til you die if you don't get her fast enough |
| 07:42.10 | msoul | oc 5 or 10 you speak of~ |
| 07:42.14 | Amarande | 5 |
| 07:42.15 | msoul | toc |
| 07:42.16 | Amarande | Certainly a lot easier than its counterpart in BC |
| 07:42.22 | Amarande | which would I suppose progression-wise be MgT |
| 07:42.24 | WobWork | toc normal is easy |
| 07:42.24 | msoul | easy |
| 07:42.36 | WobWork | toc heroic is terrible to heal |
| 07:42.38 | Jerub | okay, argent confessor palestress throws around damage equally to all group members, and keeping all 5 up so they won't get 2shot by her is really hard. |
| 07:42.39 | msoul | normal has a very good trinkets for dpsers/healers/tanks |
| 07:42.40 | Amarande | even MgT normal was a horrible, horrible killer that made half the heroics look easy |
| 07:42.54 | msoul | the black heart for tanks which i use atm |
| 07:42.59 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 07:43.10 | Jerub | so you need to burn her, burn her add, burn her again as fast as possible before someone drops, because 1 person dropping means 20% more damage for everyone else to deal with. |
| 07:43.27 | WobWork | and if she focuses on a clothie... |
| 07:43.34 | WobWork | or yourself... |
| 07:43.37 | msoul | planning on leaving my curent guild as they ask me to dps so they can pass the tanking loot to "his brother in law" |
| 07:43.41 | msoul | funny guilds |
| 07:43.49 | WobWork | msoul: failguild |
| 07:43.55 | msoul | thinking of Cobra guild/converge |
| 07:44.20 | msoul | WobWork: indeed and when i ask to get a specific trinket cause i use pvp trinket for 90 hit rating they say "not going to happen" |
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| 07:44.31 | Amarande | are you speaking of holy fire, or the shadows of the past thing the adds use? |
| 07:44.33 | Jerub | msoul: fail. |
| 07:44.45 | Jerub | Amarande: her holy attacks. |
| 07:44.45 | msoul | Jerub: fail at what? |
| 07:44.55 | Jerub | msoul: being fair. |
| 07:45.14 | industrial | Sigh, why do they make classes that can kill people within one stun? It's just so anoying >:| hi im a catdruid I can kill you whenever I want time and time again and get away with it! |
| 07:45.24 | msoul | I have to "reserve" stuff but if you raid all the bloody times and one guy comes in and gets it just because of a roll |
| 07:45.26 | Jerub | in my guild, we have a bunch of couples, people who know each other irl, and my wife, and we do all raid equipment rolls according to a rigid set of rules. |
| 07:45.28 | industrial | Wish my server was pve :( |
| 07:45.51 | Jerub | industrial: move servers. |
| 07:46.04 | industrial | they should rename PvP servers to e-peen gankservers |
| 07:46.16 | ZorbaTHut | industrial, pvp trinket :P |
| 07:46.20 | industrial | Jerub: yeh but I can't move cause I have a nice guild and all |
| 07:46.21 | msoul | Yes but if you ask me to dps and i am in need for that trinnket i wont accept it tbh when i raid all the time and switch back and forth specs and yet you wont give me the one thing i need |
| 07:46.23 | Jerub | (otoh, the tanking trinket dropped in ToC norm and she made me give it to her after i won the roll) |
| 07:46.38 | industrial | ZorbaTHut: I'm not actually pvping here, its just random people during dailies. |
| 07:46.49 | Jerub | (she == my wife) |
| 07:46.55 | Amarande | hmm |
| 07:46.55 | ZorbaTHut | industrial, if you're having trouble with getting stunlocked down, put on pvp gear and expect to get jumped |
| 07:46.58 | Amarande | what's the CD on the pvp trinket? |
| 07:47.04 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, 2m I believe |
| 07:47.04 | msoul | 2 mins |
| 07:47.04 | industrial | 2min |
| 07:47.11 | Amarande | okay. let's put it this way. |
| 07:47.14 | Amarande | you use your pvp trinket. |
| 07:47.18 | msoul | i use the one to cap my hit rating |
| 07:47.27 | msoul | the other one i bought greatness |
| 07:47.28 | Amarande | the guy's stun CDs, if they have CDs, are going to be up WAY before your trinket is usable again. |
| 07:47.30 | Amarande | and then you're dead meat. |
| 07:47.34 | msoul | so wont replace that at least |
| 07:47.40 | Amarande | and if the enemy is a cat with the talent that gives faster movement whenever in cat form? |
| 07:47.42 | Amarande | you're dead meat. |
| 07:47.42 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, if they can kill you anyway, then you're just sort of screwed |
| 07:47.46 | Jerub | the pounce cooldown is very short. |
| 07:47.54 | Jerub | and it's not a stun, it's a daze, iirc. |
| 07:47.54 | ZorbaTHut | if you can kill them - and sometimes you can - then they may leave you alone |
| 07:47.58 | industrial | Amarande: if I can get away from him hes dead meat - I play MM hunter. |
| 07:48.02 | Amarande | yeah, pvp trinket is not going to save you from kitties |
| 07:48.21 | Amarande | remember, kitties get a talent that gives them inherent always-on faster movement in kitty form even IN COMBAT |
| 07:48.27 | Amarande | you CANNOT outrun a pvp talented cat. |
| 07:48.27 | msoul | i've been trying to solve this since yesterday btw.... anyone knows how to move timer bars to any location of the screen? classtimer addon |
| 07:48.30 | industrial | the mangle slows me tho and if I disengage the cat will jump to me |
| 07:48.45 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I've got an ability that slows them down by 50% :P cat druids are not invincible in pvp |
| 07:49.02 | msoul | Amarande: me dk and my friend druid were ganking iron forge the other day.. almost hard to get us :D |
| 07:49.12 | Jerub | mangle doesn't slow... i don't think |
| 07:49.17 | msoul | he goes to stealth... i am all alone and boya kasha |
| 07:49.21 | Jerub | i think there's a hamstring type thing, ut i've never used it. |
| 07:49.27 | industrial | whatever its called :P |
| 07:49.29 | Amarande | in my guild I pretty much have to PUG all my gear upgrades just to be nice |
| 07:49.31 | Amarande | well, I don't *have* to |
| 07:49.34 | industrial | no the disease that stacks twice |
| 07:49.36 | msoul | Jerub: what class spec |
| 07:49.38 | Amarande | but let's put it this way: I'm in 187-200 blues and epics |
| 07:49.41 | Jerub | msoul: feral drood. |
| 07:49.46 | msoul | oh nice |
| 07:49.50 | msoul | leveling one now |
| 07:49.57 | Amarande | the other two 80s that are on most of the time are the GM and her husband, and they *really* need gear much, much more than I do |
| 07:50.05 | msoul | herb/alchemy as prof and will drop herb for jc once i max it |
| 07:50.10 | Amarande | so if I'm going to go in an instance with them ... it's only right for me to let them have everything they need :) |
| 07:50.19 | msoul | Amarande: yesterday naxx25 pug couldn't pass patchwerk |
| 07:50.23 | Jerub | is it worth dropping skinning now i'm 80? |
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| 07:50.30 | msoul | Jerub: Definitely |
| 07:50.36 | Jerub | msoul: we died on the polarity boss a few times in naxx25 :( |
| 07:50.39 | Jerub | it was tragic. |
| 07:50.49 | Amarande | to put it in a wowhead perspective ... my gear rating is in the mid 1900s and theirs are in the 1100-1300 range |
| 07:50.50 | msoul | Jerub: lol... thadius is fun ;) |
| 07:50.52 | Jerub | msoul: what should i get? |
| 07:50.55 | msoul | Jerub: JC |
| 07:51.00 | Jerub | you reckon? |
| 07:51.04 | Jerub | my wife is a JC. |
| 07:51.04 | industrial | Amarande: I'm tricked out in the current level PvE gear (ToC) but that won't help my corpse when the bear butt sits on my face. |
| 07:51.09 | msoul | for that extra 51 stamina or 34 agility iirc |
| 07:51.24 | Amarande | yeah, pvp has gotten kinda dumb lately |
| 07:51.34 | Arrowmaster | thadius, yet another of the many bosses in naxx that hate pet classes |
| 07:51.35 | Amarande | I wouldn't roll on a PvP server anymore for a simple reason |
| 07:51.39 | Amarande | world pvp just isn't that good lately |
| 07:51.49 | msoul | Jerub: yes she can cut for you but you wont be able to use the special cuts only crafters |
| 07:51.50 | Amarande | unless it's confined places like WG and the Grizzly Hills PvP areas |
| 07:51.59 | Jerub | msoul: ah hah |
| 07:52.05 | msoul | sec |
| 07:52.15 | msoul | Jerub: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kazzak&n=Aammaa |
| 07:52.15 | Amarande | world pvp was fun, back in the 60 days when people with decent damage dealing capability all had a reasonable shot |
| 07:52.18 | Jerub | what about enchanting or something? |
| 07:52.19 | msoul | check the built gems |
| 07:52.32 | Amarande | back when it was all wild west quick-draw, whoever shot first usually killed |
| 07:52.53 | Arrowmaster | lvl 60 bgs were fun |
| 07:52.59 | industrial | I only like it at lower levels when only a few classes have cc/locks/silences/etc |
| 07:53.18 | msoul | Jerub: for tanks/dps JC and BS is the best combination |
| 07:53.19 | Amarande | now that they made pvp all about endurance and survival instead and you can't survive a fight against a decent pvp player without gobs and gobs of resil and stam to the expense of all else ... world pvp is lame |
| 07:53.24 | industrial | so I can actually live for 10 seconds |
| 07:53.31 | Arrowmaster | rogues went home crying when i had my succy out because i abuse the 'pets are a missle attack in flight' mechanic |
| 07:53.43 | msoul | Jerub: you get 40 crit from skinning "bleh" =) |
| 07:53.45 | Amarande | although given that blizzard seems to be in the trend based on the expansion notes of starting to give green stats the axe |
| 07:53.52 | Amarande | maybe resilience and such will get the ax sooner or later too |
| 07:54.15 | Amarande | I wonder what they'd do with it |
| 07:54.20 | industrial | nah, they made it into an e-sport thing with the arena, doubt it |
| 07:54.20 | msoul | Jerub: JC/BS/Enchanting if you want to drop skinning |
| 07:54.22 | Amarande | probably fold it into stamina, like they're doing with spellpower into Int |
| 07:54.40 | Jerub | msoul: thanks! |
| 07:54.50 | msoul | Jerub: np =) |
| 07:55.04 | Amarande | industrial: have you read the notes for Cataclysm? |
| 07:55.09 | Amarande | they seem to be simplifying gear stats again |
| 07:55.16 | industrial | yes I have |
| 07:55.30 | Amarande | which suggests to me that the trend is heading towards trying to base more and more stuff off the 5 basic stats rather than the "green" stats |
| 07:55.32 | industrial | and I'm getting focus instead of mana, yey! |
| 07:55.40 | msoul | brb a sec |
| 07:56.06 | Amarande | if they're getting rid of things as basic as defense and spellpower and loading them into talents and stats, they might be able to ditch resil at some point |
| 07:56.24 | Amarande | or at least, resil as a green stat |
| 07:56.32 | Amarande | like I suggested, it'd probably end up being that resil would be based off stam |
| 07:57.02 | ZorbaTHut | they'd have to be a little careful about rolling resil into stam, since that instantly makes everyone far tankier in PvE |
| 07:57.02 | industrial | then everyone with pve gear would be having an easier time at pvp, I don't think they want that |
| 07:57.29 | Amarande | industrial: ehh. they might. |
| 07:57.32 | Arrowmaster | http://arrowmaster.net/screens/WoWScrnShot_120906_005904.jpg |
| 07:57.37 | Amarande | they're trying to encourage MORE world pvp with cataclysm |
| 07:57.38 | Arrowmaster | lvl 60, when pvp was fun |
| 07:57.44 | Amarande | with the new "WG" area being the same as the dailies hub |
| 07:57.54 | Arrowmaster | and people ran away when they saw me |
| 07:58.03 | Amarande | and if that exposes world pvp being crap due to arena gear imbalancing things ... |
| 07:58.41 | Amarande | though honestly what really needs to be done is so far out of the way WoW is designed that it's impossible |
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| 07:59.08 | Amarande | I have only ever seen ONE game that really does the PvE-PvP juggle anything that I could call "really well" |
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| 07:59.52 | Corrodias | Checkers. |
| 07:59.52 | Amarande | Guild Wars. |
| 07:59.52 | industrial | haha |
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| 07:59.53 | Arrowmaster | guildwars was nothing but a pvp game |
| 07:59.53 | Amarande | Part of it is how they designed the enemies, since enemies pretty much boil down to AI players when you really think of it |
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| 08:00.04 | Amarande | since every enemy had a player class, used (except for some special enemies and bosses) the same skills players did, etc. |
| 08:00.05 | Corrodias | i don't know, 80-90% of the enjoyment i got out of Guild Wars, when i played it at release, was the PvE game |
| 08:00.05 | Arrowmaster | guildwars ai wasnt that good |
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| 08:00.07 | Corrodias | and it was enjoyable. |
| 08:00.31 | Arrowmaster | yeah it was enjoyable |
| 08:00.39 | Amarande | though the other part is that despite being a "pvp" game, it was really more like a WoW PvE server in structure |
| 08:00.44 | Amarande | since PvP was only allowed at all in certain areas |
| 08:00.47 | Arrowmaster | until i soloed the last mission and had nothing else to do after the first 2 weeks |
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| 08:01.01 | Amarande | however, this works for GW's balancing awesomely, and is why WoW can never be balanced properly for PvP and PvE at once |
| 08:01.18 | Corrodias | yes, the pve game sort of ends abruptly. or did. if you didn't run Fissure and stuff. |
| 08:01.24 | Amarande | since PvE and PvP areas were each designated as such, the game could recognize which one you were in, and adjust some skills accordingly. |
| 08:01.25 | Corrodias | i don't really know what it's like -now-. |
| 08:01.46 | Amarande | in WoW, since you can turn PvP flag on wherever, that skill flipflop trick they use wouldn't work |
| 08:02.06 | Amarande | and that's how they keep it balanced, skills that would be imba one side or the other are forked into 2 different skills that auto-substitute for each other depending on which type of area you are in |
| 08:02.24 | Corrodias | oh yeah, i remember reading about that |
| 08:02.35 | Arrowmaster | didnt do that when i played |
| 08:02.39 | Amarande | I think that's probably the best way to keep the game balanced between both |
| 08:02.48 | Amarande | Arrow: yeah, they came to a realization eventually that that was the only way to do it |
| 08:02.54 | Corrodias | they do that for WoW, in a way, though. Fear effects don't last as long on other players as they do on mobs, for example. or something. DR. |
| 08:02.57 | Amarande | thankfully, the GW infrastructure allows for it though, while WoW's does not |
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| 08:03.15 | industrial | I also think I am way too powerful in my PvE gear. I play hunter and my pet can't even tank things anymore. My auto shot crits for 3-4k and I pull aggro at the first shot. If I dont shoot at all the pet will just kill everything in a few secs on its own. |
| 08:03.22 | Corrodias | the ability doesn't change, but the effects on other players do differ |
| 08:03.57 | Amarande | GW is pretty fun now, though it's a declining backwater I guess |
| 08:04.13 | Amarande | GW2 is on its way, and there really hasn't been much new content for GW in a while other than new hats for each holiday |
| 08:04.13 | Arrowmaster | pve fun? |
| 08:04.23 | Amarande | for me it is, when I log on every now and then |
| 08:04.34 | Amarande | although I can't handle the controls anymore because I'm too used to WoW's ... so I die a lot heh |
| 08:04.35 | Arrowmaster | i probably have a queue of holiday crap to collect |
| 08:04.57 | Amarande | thankfully, my elementalist build is defensive oriented so I don't die even more |
| 08:04.59 | Corrodias | i know i did. 4 years of minipets from my 3 characters i left active |
| 08:05.17 | Amarande | I'm not sure how popular Fissure and Underworld are these days |
| 08:05.24 | Amarande | I know they did a bunch of stuff to make them more popular, though |
| 08:05.25 | Arrowmaster | and im guessing i likely wont see anybody else with glowing hands when they do emotes |
| 08:05.35 | Amarande | Arrow: my characters still do that :) |
| 08:05.41 | Corrodias | Amarande: having a MAP would be a good start |
| 08:06.00 | Arrowmaster | do people still ask you how your hands are glowing? |
| 08:06.07 | Arrowmaster | they kept asking me during the first 2 weeks |
| 08:06.07 | Amarande | it's been a while since I logged on lol |
| 08:06.13 | Corrodias | back in the day, we weren't really sure how the place was laid out, at least nobody i went with |
| 08:06.14 | Amarande | Corrodias: nah, they more focused on making it easier to enter |
| 08:06.17 | Corrodias | *the places |
| 08:06.25 | Amarande | in particular, they changed the whole Favor of the Gods rule |
| 08:06.35 | Amarande | Favor still pretty much does what it used to but they changed HOW you get it |
| 08:06.35 | Corrodias | changed, not eliminated? |
| 08:06.51 | Amarande | instead of it being PvP based from Heroes' Ascent, now it's tied to the achievement system |
| 08:07.19 | Corrodias | hmm. you earn it and then can always do it? |
| 08:07.20 | Amarande | the entire world gains favor all at once for a period of time once a certain number of people achieve maxed out titles |
| 08:07.33 | Amarande | and then every time someone maxes out a title while favor is still going, the period gets extended |
| 08:07.33 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias: i got wtfpwened a few times in underworld during beta, i went walking in one direction and then bam giant mob comes out of nowhere and kills me and my party didnt want to get close enough to res me since they all went running when it showed up |
| 08:07.58 | Amarande | also, they added a way to get into Fissure and UW when you don't have favor |
| 08:08.08 | Corrodias | oooh. hm. they made achievements matter in that game. |
| 08:08.18 | Corrodias | not only for that, i think they have other effects too |
| 08:08.19 | Amarande | passage scrolls, that you can use anytime from the temple to automatically enter the appropriate zone |
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| 08:08.50 | Amarande | yeah, most of the PvP titles increase your Balthazar Faction (read: honor) maximum pool per rank |
| 08:08.54 | industrial | ~seen Tuller |
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| 08:09.04 | Amarande | and there's a few campaign based titles that give bonuses mainly within their campaign |
| 08:09.12 | Corrodias | i don't want to get back into guild wars. it'd take so much effort to catch up on the changes and build a character up. |
| 08:09.23 | Corrodias | but it's nice to see they kept it alive. |
| 08:09.26 | Amarande | they ALSO made it easier to go to the 12 man raids |
| 08:09.36 | Corrodias | i don't even know what those are |
| 08:09.41 | Arrowmaster | they added 12 man raids? |
| 08:09.52 | Amarande | Arrow: yeah, in Factions they added two 12 man and two 16 man missions |
| 08:10.03 | Amarande | and a 12v12 PvP |
| 08:10.20 | Amarande | For the 12 man missions, it's a single 12 man party |
| 08:10.26 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah i think i still have a stack of crafting mats in guildwars that you havent been able to get since the first week of release |
| 08:10.52 | Amarande | For the 16 man missions, it's actually two regular parties of 8 that are partnered together into the same instance |
| 08:11.09 | Corrodias | i think they made the old mats incompatible with the new ones at some point. i played for a few minutes and found i couldn't stack newly-obtained cloth/leather with the stuff i had left over from 4 years ago. |
| 08:11.12 | Amarande | each of those has 2 entrances, and parties that join the mission close enough to each other timewise are paired together |
| 08:11.28 | Amarande | if you join one of those and there is no one on the other side within a certain period of time, then a group of 8 AI's joins you on the other end |
| 08:11.30 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias: yeah exactly, they have different sell prices |
| 08:11.58 | Amarande | and the 12v12 PvP is three groups of 4 from each side put into the same instance |
| 08:12.13 | Corrodias | that's an interesting way of doing it |
| 08:12.41 | Arrowmaster | but yeah pve wise in that game i just had a stacked group of ai casters and an ai tank and walked through everything |
| 08:12.47 | Amarande | The 12v12 PvP is also the event that determines Kurzick/Luxon control of lands in Cantha |
| 08:12.48 | Arrowmaster | the necro was a great mana battery |
| 08:13.38 | Corrodias | you know what i liked about the Factions PvE? |
| 08:13.44 | Amarande | anyway. it used to be that in order to get into the 12 man missions |
| 08:13.51 | Corrodias | that the beginning has you fighting the Charr in Ascalon, then you move on from there... and never look back. "Ascalon can go fuck itself." |
| 08:14.03 | Amarande | you had to be invited in by whichever guild/alliance controlled the Kurzick or Luxon capital city |
| 08:14.18 | Arrowmaster | nah i had to go back |
| 08:14.24 | Amarande | but now they have scrolls you can buy to go there |
| 08:14.28 | Corrodias | oh eww, requiring invitations by a powerful guild? jesus |
| 08:14.53 | Amarande | Corrodias: Yeah. Most of the Kurzick and Luxon outposts, including the capitals, had a special cordoned off area. |
| 08:15.10 | Corrodias | talk about giving power to assholes |
| 08:15.12 | Amarande | That area was only enterable by the controlling guild alliance for that outpost |
| 08:15.23 | Amarande | basically, control works this way |
| 08:15.46 | Amarande | one of the things you can do if you are in a guild alliance, is donate Kurzick or Luxon (depending on which side your alliance is) Faction points to it |
| 08:15.50 | Corrodias | well whatever. i don't play. it can't get me upset. |
| 08:15.58 | Amarande | doing so increases your alliance's total faction (which decays by a certain % daily). |
| 08:16.35 | Amarande | and the alliances who have the most faction on each side control the capital cities, then the next few alliances down below that on each side control the outposts currently belonging to that side |
| 08:16.43 | Amarande | (some outposts can change sides, depending on 12v12 PvP results) |
| 08:17.11 | Amarande | ehh, for the most part there aren't that many perks for "controlling" a town or outpost |
| 08:17.36 | Amarande | you get your alliance's name on the map for that town or outpost, and you get access to a couple of special merchants |
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| 08:17.47 | Amarande | one of which lets you put on fireworks shows in the town and the other sells a few useful items for a discount compared to normal merchants |
| 08:18.20 | Amarande | and it used to be that the capital city alliances controlled all access to the Elite Missions (the 12 mans) |
| 08:18.33 | Amarande | some of them would charge you to let you in, others would just let you in if you asked |
| 08:18.44 | Amarande | but now there's passage scrolls, so that's no longer a big thing |
| 08:18.51 | Arrowmaster | yeah perty much every game has failed to do pvp properly it seems except gw |
| 08:19.30 | Corrodias | i don't want to show a lack of appreciation, but the discussion isn't interesting me much any more, so i'm going to go watch videos. thanks for explaining it, though! :) |
| 08:19.36 | industrial | Arrowmaster: DaoC |
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| 08:19.48 | Dagmar | I'd say that's got a lot to do with PvP being rather hard to "balance" and not be playing paper-scissors-rock |
| 08:19.53 | Arrowmaster | DaoC is dead now though |
| 08:19.58 | industrial | yep |
| 08:20.14 | Arrowmaster | and WAR is fucking broken from what ive heard |
| 08:20.20 | Dagmar | They had a good idea with making them not comparable |
| 08:20.50 | Amarande | heh, yeah, WoW is definitely paper scissors rock |
| 08:20.57 | Amarande | and let's remember the Tao of WoW QQing |
| 08:21.11 | industrial | nerf x buff me |
| 08:21.12 | Amarande | <Paper> They really need to nerf that OP Scissors, but Rock is perfectly fine and needs to L2P! |
| 08:21.14 | Arrowmaster | rock paper scissors mushroom |
| 08:21.31 | industrial | mushroom > rock? |
| 08:21.42 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 08:21.49 | _rane | well, it's not exactly rock paper scissors |
| 08:21.52 | industrial | oh, I see |
| 08:22.07 | Arrowmaster | havent you ever seen world of roguecraft? |
| 08:22.11 | industrial | nop |
| 08:22.15 | Arrowmaster | ..... |
| 08:22.23 | industrial | is that a machinima? |
| 08:22.30 | industrial | (I really dont like machinima) |
| 08:22.31 | Corrodias | what a clever and unique name for it |
| 08:22.31 | Arrowmaster | kinda |
| 08:22.45 | Arrowmaster | its not really |
| 08:23.05 | Corrodias | can you even see my bolded text? is +c stripping control codes on this network? |
| 08:23.05 | Arrowmaster | its really more gameplay vids than machinima |
| 08:23.10 | Corrodias | or even making the line not appear at all? |
| 08:23.18 | Amarande | <Rock> Paper, shut up, it's you who's OP! |
| 08:23.19 | _rane | test |
| 08:23.24 | Amarande | <Scissors> Hahah Paper, QQ MOAR |
| 08:23.35 | industrial | the moment i see a character shrinking and ice skating over a road which is a background image I want to turn it off |
| 08:23.38 | industrial | :p |
| 08:24.09 | Arrowmaster | its not really machinima at all |
| 08:24.17 | Arrowmaster | but ep3 is actually the first ep |
| 08:24.20 | Arrowmaster | and ep1 is the last |
| 08:24.30 | Arrowmaster | dont ask, nobody knows |
| 08:25.00 | Amarande | but yeah, the problem with WoW is that sometimes, there *isn't enough* of the side that you counter, and *too many* of the side that counters you |
| 08:25.06 | Amarande | for instance, Warlocks during late BC in Arena 5's |
| 08:25.21 | Amarande | If Warlocks were Paper, then just about EVERY OTHER FREAKING CLASS was Scissors. :| |
| 08:25.44 | Arrowmaster | yet they all bitched about paper |
| 08:26.13 | Amarande | Warlocks complained because against a competent 5's group they were not only dead weight, but also pretty much a guarantee of losing the battle |
| 08:26.35 | Amarande | Actually, this had been an issue for quite some time in BC, but it got pushed over the edge when ZA and Executioner enchant came out |
| 08:26.41 | Arrowmaster | well as weve seen the only arena that matters is 3v4 |
| 08:26.44 | Arrowmaster | 3v3 |
| 08:27.09 | Amarande | The basic problem was warlocks had no real escapes at the time (at 80 they kinda do with that teleport and break snares circle thingy) |
| 08:27.12 | Corrodias | they should make 2v4 and make it the only one that matters. |
| 08:27.31 | Amarande | they were pretty much sitting ducks for melee assist trains |
| 08:27.44 | Amarande | and had no real offense of their own in larger-group PvP |
| 08:28.06 | Amarande | let's see ... shadow bolt. joy, I can get Kicked or Shieldbashed and be locked out of all my spells that matter ... |
| 08:28.31 | Amarande | Fear? It's Shadow. If I try that, by the time I can finish casting (especially in 2.x when they hadn't put a limiter on pushback yet) I've been Interrupted and then I can't use ANYTHING. |
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| 08:29.05 | Amarande | Dots? As if it wasn't bad enough that if the other side has a priest, everything but my one Curse is going to get dispelled in a blink of an eye, then they had to go and make RESILIENCE MITIGATE DOTS |
| 08:29.13 | Amarande | Yeah, we were pretty much screwed in 2.3 and 2.4. |
| 08:29.33 | Amarande | The only place we could Arena was in like 3's and 2's where the enemy group wasn't big enough to make such counters so easy |
| 08:29.54 | Arrowmaster | i did a few 2v2s late in BC with my friends priest |
| 08:30.13 | Arrowmaster | we were in the 1500s ish |
| 08:30.25 | Amarande | that's also one thing that's irritated me about WoW |
| 08:30.38 | Amarande | the notion that interrupts are supposed to disable the entire *school* for several seconds |
| 08:30.47 | Amarande | I came from GW, where interrupts just caused the spell being cast to fail |
| 08:30.57 | Arrowmaster | i had no pvp gear and he had way too much, we royaly fucked people up when they didnt kill me right away |
| 08:31.14 | Amarande | although I suppose the school disabling is needed to give interrupts some sort of meaning |
| 08:31.22 | Amarande | since in WoW, spell CDs don't start till the spell is finished |
| 08:31.47 | Amarande | in GW, an interrupted spell normally went on CD right away and you couldn't just reattempt it like you could in WoW without some sort of disable timer |
| 08:32.33 | Arrowmaster | and yes i did have the pleasure of watching my friend on his shadow priest chase around a holy priest for 10 minutes while they mana burned each other |
| 08:34.37 | Amarande | Not to mention if you removed the disable timer from WoW interrupts, there probably would be some achievements you just couldn't do. |
| 08:35.33 | jnwhiteh | wow.. so much is needed to install scala |
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| 08:48.36 | Shirik | icu cide |
| 08:48.39 | Shirik | ... |
| 08:55.18 | Cide| | you still fail |
| 08:56.04 | Cide| | At revision: 8. |
| 08:59.49 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
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| 09:00.24 | Shirik | ohi Cide- |
| 09:00.27 | Shirik | you are hiding from me |
| 09:01.02 | Cide- | crappy university connection |
| 09:01.15 | Cide- | their wifi is spotty |
| 09:03.58 | Shirik | I can go anywhere on my university campus and have wireless |
| 09:04.01 | Shirik | that's the one thing they got right |
| 09:04.16 | Shirik | solid BSS handoffs so I can literally work while moving between buildings |
| 09:04.21 | Shirik | without disconnection |
| 09:04.32 | nevcairiel | how do you work while walking around? :P |
| 09:05.19 | nevcairiel | speaking of that, i want a tablet pc |
| 09:05.55 | Shirik | you've never done that before? |
| 09:06.02 | Shirik | one hand under the laptop, one hand on the keyboard |
| 09:06.11 | Shirik | it's very important when testing robots, etc. |
| 09:06.19 | Shirik | they tend to be quite mobile |
| 09:06.54 | nevcairiel | i tried, but i guess my laptop is too heavy for that, it gets quite stressfull after a while |
| 09:07.29 | nevcairiel | and woobly :P |
| 09:07.36 | Shirik | Cide: My plan is genius though |
| 09:07.41 | Shirik | you're gonna be like "woah" |
| 09:07.47 | Shirik | and it is going to be tehown |
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| 09:11.40 | Cide| | god damn |
| 09:11.43 | Cide| | losing connection all the time |
| 09:13.37 | jadakren | nev, you could always use a modified baby harness... |
| 09:13.45 | jadakren | mod it to hold a laptop instead |
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| 09:15.13 | jadakren | is there anything around that lets you put a glove on and type on a virtual keyboard instead of having a real one? |
| 09:19.24 | Cide- | Shirik: I look forward to your genius plan |
| 09:19.27 | jadakren | http://www.embedds.com/virtual-keyboard-from-acceleration-sensing-glove/ |
| 09:19.51 | Fisker | gentlemen |
| 09:20.10 | Arrowmaster | unless that thing has force feedback it probably sucks for typing |
| 09:20.27 | jadakren | http://hackedgadgets.com/2006/05/19/top-5-diy-glove-keyboards/ |
| 09:21.08 | Arrowmaster | oh hand guestures |
| 09:21.27 | Arrowmaster | not a virtual keyboard |
| 09:21.48 | jadakren | well, i mean something like in lawnmower man |
| 09:22.19 | jadakren | leave your laptop in your bag on your back and have an occular lens to read stuff and use a virtual keyboard via a glove |
| 09:22.57 | jadakren | gestures would be more natural though but it would require a new interface... |
| 09:23.11 | jadakren | easy as creating a new desktop enivroment really |
| 09:23.20 | industrial | ~help botmail |
| 09:23.42 | Fisker | hey Arrowmaster |
| 09:24.49 | industrial | ~botmail for Tuller: Hey. Do you think it's possible to add modifiers for CTRL-SHIFT, CTRL-ALT, ALT-SHIFT, ALT-CTRL and ALT-CTRL-SHIFT to this config? http://images.gammatester.com/pics/efac30bb5b724ca307863f4aaa25c2b8.jpg |
| 09:25.54 | industrial | Fisker: how do I link a youtube clip at a certain time? Can I do that? Can you do that? |
| 09:26.59 | industrial | #t=0m00s, apparently! |
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| 09:28.33 | industrial | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTSiYh7GxJ8&fmt=18#t=1m50s |
| 09:28.35 | industrial | awsum. |
| 09:34.44 | Amarande | ok, is this thread on EJ smoking something or do mages actually have the LOWEST base mana at level 80? |
| 09:34.54 | Amarande | and hunters have the highest?? |
| 09:35.00 | Amarande | seems ... odd. |
| 09:37.10 | Corrodias | perhaps reasonable, given the probable relative amount of int gear they'd be wearing |
| 09:37.35 | Corrodias | oh GOD my new chair is awesome! >:O |
| 09:37.48 | industrial | how awesome Corrodias ?! |
| 09:37.51 | industrial | (pics) |
| 09:38.58 | Corrodias | http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/715225/Realspace-Soho-Draycott-High-Back-Bonded/?cm_mmc=Mercent-_-Shopping-_-Chairs-_-715225&mr:referralID=5ddb5cb5-a112-11de-bbda-000423bb4e95 |
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| 09:40.28 | Corrodias | that pic makes the back look a little more curved than it is, but anyway, that's the chair |
| 09:41.12 | industrial | I have a smiliar one, it tilts back so I can crawl under my desk \:D/ |
| 09:41.24 | Corrodias | not sure how really "awesome" it is, but my last chair was uncomfortable and partly broken, and i put up with it for 3 years |
| 09:41.36 | industrial | mine is more fake-leather-y tho :p |
| 09:42.16 | Corrodias | and the old one smelled horrible for the first couple of weeks. >:| |
| 09:45.33 | Corrodias | i'd write a review on that site, but i don't know how it compares to most office chairs, only my shitty old one |
| 09:46.00 | Fisker | i love you industrial |
| 09:46.37 | industrial | i lofe you too Fisker |
| 09:46.42 | Amarande | meh, just get a recliner from IKEA |
| 09:46.44 | industrial | s/f/v/ |
| 09:46.46 | Corrodias | loves both of you at the same time |
| 09:46.55 | Corrodias | (in the butt) |
| 09:47.00 | industrial | backs away |
| 09:48.30 | Amarande | btw |
| 09:48.36 | Corrodias | a recliner? well, i do need it to roll, because this is my computer chair |
| 09:48.37 | Amarande | any good estimate as to how long we have till Cataclysm? |
| 09:48.56 | Amarande | like, ballpark. |
| 09:49.02 | Corrodias | also there are certain requirements for the arms not being too far forward, so i can get it close enough to the desk, and so i can cross my legs right |
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| 09:55.56 | Amarande | hmm, I'm getting that death knight feeling again. |
| 09:56.17 | Amarande | is it worth starting one at this point in the game, or is that asking to not be able to do a bloody thing at 80 due to gluts of them on the servers? |
| 09:56.57 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, there's gluts of bad DKs. if you're good, you're actually in fine shape - if anything, there's a shortage of good DKs |
| 09:57.18 | ZorbaTHut | (good players, with only a few exceptions, didn't abandon their current class) |
| 09:58.01 | Amarande | yeah, I always find it hard to stick with anything but my warlock for long |
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| 09:58.24 | Amarande | even though sometimes it's a hair pulling experience and I keep thinking sometimes "dammit, I should have rolled a tank or healer :(" |
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| 09:59.00 | Amarande | at least it wasn't that hard to find a tank for the last heroic I want to |
| 09:59.02 | Amarande | er, went to |
| 09:59.07 | Amarande | but then, that was heroic UK |
| 09:59.27 | Corrodias | united kingdom? |
| 09:59.34 | Amarande | utgarde keep :P |
| 09:59.45 | Amarande | and the drift I get about tanking heroic UK is that a trained monkey could tank it by flinging poo at random keys |
| 09:59.47 | Corrodias | last boss is the Queen i bet |
| 10:01.34 | Corrodias | the next legend of zelda game should have link be female |
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| 10:01.52 | Amarande | isn't link like an elf or something already? |
| 10:02.00 | Amarande | I've seen male elves, they look plenty female enough for the role LOL |
| 10:02.20 | Rabbitbunny | Hey, does the minimap give positions of enemies? |
| 10:02.32 | Amarande | Rabbit: only if you have the correct tracking type enabled |
| 10:02.48 | Amarande | such as being a hunter or eating that one northrend food that lets you track humanoids |
| 10:02.59 | Amarande | or a few other classes can track specific types of mobs, like paladins and undead |
| 10:03.14 | Amarande | but if you do have tracking, it tracks both friendlies and enemies of the appropriate sort |
| 10:03.23 | Rabbitbunny | Doesn't the api also give position and direction height? |
| 10:03.40 | Amarande | *shrug* I've not really looked into the minimap stuff much |
| 10:04.14 | Rabbitbunny | Err, Yeah, it's going to have to give their position, I'm pretty sure it give your too. |
| 10:04.54 | Rabbitbunny | If these two are true, Isn't it possible to create a "OMFG THere's another faction behind you!!" warning? |
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| 10:14.44 | Rabbitbunny | Free idea btw, I have no intention of building it. |
| 10:15.09 | Rabbitbunny | I don't even play anymore, just a random idea during a machine learning discussion. |
| 10:15.25 | Rabbitbunny | Have fun. |
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| 10:20.14 | laeg | does anyone know which addon causes the spam error "You aren't in a party" in battlegrounds? |
| 10:20.37 | Arrowmaster | all of them |
| 10:21.52 | laeg | ? |
| 10:22.44 | laeg | found fix http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/youarentinapartyfix.aspx |
| 10:26.07 | Amarande | hm |
| 10:26.17 | Amarande | there is one thing that really irritates me when I look through certain class data threads on EJ |
| 10:26.27 | Amarande | namely, the frequency with which poo is flung about |
| 10:26.38 | Amarande | or, translation, with which they feel the need to use to word "shit" |
| 10:27.23 | Amarande | otoh, it makes me feel better that I don't dps test my characters on dummies, heh |
| 10:33.16 | Amarande | also: the blizzard guys who came up with Yogg-Saron are just evil. Evil I say. :) |
| 10:33.41 | Amarande | I mean, how many raiders actually think of such details as *swinging around the character/camera rotation* as essential battle tactics? |
| 10:34.05 | Amarande | otoh, as an aff lock I probably should be <3'ing that attack |
| 10:34.15 | Amarande | after all, neither corruption nor UA requires the target be in front of you :D |
| 10:36.21 | Amarande | maybe I should put it this way |
| 10:36.41 | Amarande | lunatic gaze seems more the kind of thing that works for a turn-based RPG or an FPS. I'm not so sure it's really that great an idea for a real-time RPG. |
| 10:37.51 | mikma | thathaaa |
| 10:38.33 | Amarande | actually, given how often he casts that in P3 |
| 10:38.47 | Amarande | it must be hell to be any kind of DPS on that fight other than an affliction lock heh |
| 10:39.02 | Amarande | after all, isn't an aff lock pretty much the only kind of DPS class that doesn't have to face the target to do most of their damage? |
| 10:39.19 | mikma | wobin: falling asleep already? |
| 10:39.35 | Amarande | meleers have to look at the target, otherwise "You are facing the wrong way!" |
| 10:39.56 | Wobin | kinda =) |
| 10:40.00 | Amarande | casters of anything other than instant dots (and a few freaky ones like UA) have to face the target, otherwise "TARGET MUST BE IN FRONT OF YOU, BITCH" |
| 10:40.00 | Wobin | although raid got called off |
| 10:40.29 | Amarande | I suppose the healers are ok since I don't think you normally have to be facing the target to heal them, they just have to be in a clear LoS |
| 10:40.31 | mikma | wobin: then lets sneak some dungeons! |
| 10:40.42 | Amarande | although this kinda leaves me wondering |
| 10:40.44 | Arrowmaster | tanks must face the target or "DODGE AND PARRY THIS BITCH! *SPLAT*" |
| 10:40.57 | Amarande | how do you TANK Yogg in P3 when you can't face him what seems like half the time? :| |
| 10:41.15 | Arrowmaster | no clue never been in uldar |
| 10:41.19 | Kalroth | uhm |
| 10:41.29 | Kalroth | You don't tank Yogg-Saron, you tank his guardians |
| 10:41.38 | Amarande | um |
| 10:41.43 | Amarande | don't the adds use lunatic gaze too, though? |
| 10:41.47 | Kalroth | no |
| 10:53.22 | Amarande | hahah ... |
| 10:53.24 | Amarande | "The corpses Yogg-Saron eat go through his digestive track, (eww) come out and are pushed up through the earth and called saronite. |
| 10:53.24 | Amarande | Now just think about that every time you mine saronite." |
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| 10:54.32 | Kalroth | In the fight you smash his brain to a bloody pulp |
| 10:55.16 | laeg | how is one to complete an EoTS daily when no one ever plays it? |
| 11:01.18 | laeg | is there a way to restart the sound server (?) in WoW? i intermittently lose it |
| 11:02.07 | Wobin | mikma: sure =) |
| 11:05.05 | Amarande | hmm, is Algalon's special nifty enrage ability, combined with that he apparently gets the +900% standard bossy enragey damage bonus on it, the new winner for most damage in a single blow in any video RPG? |
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| 11:05.40 | Amarande | the only thing I can even possibly think of that might possibly be higher is maybe something from a maxed out character in Disgaea, and I'm not even sure about that. :) |
| 11:06.45 | Amarande | It's certainly not FFX, since the max from that IIRC is Anima in the Euro version, and that's only 1,599,984. Algalon's is something like 7,000,000. |
| 11:10.30 | Kalroth | I forgot how much an enraged Big Bang hits for, but it sure hurts |
| 11:11.23 | Fisker | slaps Wobin around a bit with a large trout |
| 11:11.25 | Fisker | you |
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| 11:13.07 | haste | throws a TG+futa doujin at Fisker. |
| 11:13.33 | Fisker | hastemen |
| 11:13.51 | Fisker | visit denmark, knock our women up and leave never to be seen again |
| 11:14.47 | Kalroth | haste: visit Denmark, knock Fisker around a lot, come back and repeat it all you want! |
| 11:14.54 | haste | :D |
| 11:16.57 | Fisker | do it |
| 11:19.48 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE5kkyucts8 <-aww butthurts |
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| 11:24.05 | Amarande | Kalroth: Enraged Big Bang is only about 1,000,000. |
| 11:24.17 | Kalroth | oh, easy healable |
| 11:24.20 | Amarande | Not enough to qualify for maximum damage in a single hit in an RPG; Enraged Ascend, on the other hand, is around 7,000,000 |
| 11:24.29 | Amarande | and MAY be in fact the largest single blow number in video RPGdom right now |
| 11:24.42 | Amarande | like I said, I'm not sure, because Disgaea in particular had some pretty sick numbers from uberized characters |
| 11:25.24 | Amarande | and yes, I mean "Enraged Ascend" |
| 11:25.39 | Amarande | because according to the notes on wowhead, it doesn't *actually* get used *as* the enrage |
| 11:26.00 | Amarande | it gets used closer to 6:10, apparently, because 6:00 means Big Bang goes first and takes precedence as the first thing he does on enrage |
| 11:26.16 | Amarande | Now anyone who's still around -after- Bang ... *they* get the 7M. |
| 11:26.51 | Amarande | heh. there should be some higher stakes for that |
| 11:27.01 | Amarande | <Spirit Healer> We're very sorry, but after a blow like that we could only recover a very small amount of you. Would you like to continue at level one with none of your equipment? :) |
| 11:28.07 | Amarande | wait, that might not be good. especially in 25's. |
| 11:28.25 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iShBtnYm3B4 <-- Disgaea 3, 3.2 trillion damage |
| 11:28.26 | Amarande | I can imagine twenty-five raiders all shouting NOOOOOOOOOOO at the top of their lungs into vent, causing the entire earth to crumble from the vibrations :D |
| 11:28.35 | Amarande | Zorba: Single hit or a combo, though? |
| 11:28.48 | ZorbaTHut | as part of a combo, a single hit that did that much. |
| 11:28.59 | Amarande | Ahh. Sorry, Algalon, but you're just a wimp then. :D |
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| 11:29.31 | Amarande | Laharl could probably solo Ulduar. I don't think even Chuck Norris is up to that one. :) |
| 11:29.32 | ZorbaTHut | honestly, american games really can't hold a candle to japanese games in terms of sheer gigantic numbers ;) |
| 11:30.12 | ZorbaTHut | there's a fantastic japanese arcade game called Giga Wing that lets you collect multiplier bonus bonuses |
| 11:30.18 | Amarande | Now in terms of Western games, maybe Algalon is still highest. |
| 11:30.37 | ZorbaTHut | each one you collect makes the next one increase your score multiplier bonus by a larger number. not *to* a larger number, but *by* a larger number. |
| 11:30.38 | Amarande | Unless you count the amount of money an EVE player loses when having a capital ship destroyed as "damage." But that doesn't usually show as a damage number like that. :) |
| 11:30.55 | ZorbaTHut | by the end of the first level you're waltzing around with a score multiplier of around 150k. |
| 11:31.19 | Amarande | Zorba: how many levels can you complete before your score falls back to zero due to integer overflow? :D |
| 11:31.57 | Amarande | Or before the arcade machine crashes due to floating point overflow, if they tried to get around it that way :) |
| 11:32.02 | ZorbaTHut | well I just found a video of Giga Wing 2 hitting almost 11.7 quintillion points |
| 11:32.09 | ZorbaTHut | and it's stored in integer, so I think they just have a lot of bits :) |
| 11:32.21 | Amarande | heh, a far cry from Pac-Man |
| 11:32.29 | Amarande | apparently, Pac-Man apparently has a score cap, and it is 3,333,360 or something like that |
| 11:32.42 | Amarande | it's been reached, too |
| 11:32.53 | Amarande | although, it was never intended ... it's more of a bug heh |
| 11:33.05 | Amarande | once you get to a certain stage (256) the stage miscalculates and you're stuck |
| 11:33.20 | Amarande | not that I'd know personally, since I never managed to finish the first level of Pac-Man that I can remember. :) |
| 11:33.28 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: I'm coming to Copenhagen in December :P |
| 11:33.41 | Amarande | I'm not sure I'd want to get that far. Especially with evil things in the game like the fact that you can only gobble ghosts on stages 1-16 and 18 |
| 11:33.50 | Amarande | on stages 17 and 19+, the power capsules, they do NOTHING |
| 11:34.34 | Amarande | anyway |
| 11:34.45 | Amarande | sometimes I wonder, why don't Western developers really try their hand at the Japanese style game? |
| 11:34.54 | Amarande | especially in the RPG genre, it might provide something new and refreshing |
| 11:35.27 | Amarande | actually, come to think of it, maybe western devs just aren't that good at JRPG style games |
| 11:35.43 | Amarande | I believe at least one of such was tried, an Xbox game called Sudeki, which got grades of about 72% or so from reviewers |
| 11:35.46 | Amarande | which translates to a ... C minus, heh |
| 11:40.21 | jnwhiteh | so is there a new pvp final fantasy for the PSP now? |
| 11:40.21 | jnwhiteh | i saw a poster in the tube the other day |
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| 11:41.35 | Fisker | nice jnwhiteh |
| 11:41.43 | Fisker | knock up our women |
| 11:41.44 | Fisker | gogo |
| 11:41.46 | jnwhiteh | going to see Eddie Izzard with some friends :P |
| 11:41.51 | jnwhiteh | will do! |
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| 11:43.28 | Fisker | man |
| 11:44.04 | Fisker | people are so stupid that if their wife contacted them through facebook and said she was stuck in great britain the husband would probably still give out the money |
| 11:44.05 | Fisker | :o |
| 11:47.51 | Elkano | I'm stuck in GB, Fisker :( Send me money ASAP... Western Union is fine... |
| 11:50.27 | Fisker | i've heard that story before |
| 11:51.42 | Bruners | stuck in GB? |
| 11:52.41 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.50 | Bruners | isnt that a good thing? |
| 11:55.52 | Kalroth | chav continent |
| 11:56.00 | Kalroth | there's a reason you aren't part of Europe |
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| 12:00.34 | Amarande | what's wrong with GB? |
| 12:00.57 | Bruners | ask the GB'ers |
| 12:11.24 | Ycarene | Is there a mod that lets you type in a value when buying more than one item? |
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| 12:12.23 | Bruners | Ycarene: i heard the shift button addon lets you do that |
| 12:12.55 | Ycarene | Shift lets me select the value by clicking the arrows, it won't let me type anything in the box. |
| 12:13.02 | Bruners | you can type as well |
| 12:13.39 | Ycarene | Hmm |
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| 12:15.27 | Bruners | but i can recommend gnomishvendorshrinker by tekkub |
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| 12:26.45 | industrial | jnwhiteh: eddie izzar++ |
| 12:26.48 | industrial | +d |
| 12:27.02 | industrial | cake or death! cake or death! |
| 12:32.19 | MrRuben5 | buying bacon with gnomishvendorshrinker is lovely |
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| 13:32.02 | haste | Bruners: stop disconnecting! |
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| 13:50.01 | mikma | wobin: http://kuvaton.com/browse/12695/microsoft_hugh_jackman.jpg |
| 13:50.47 | Fisker | not until you visit denmark and knock up all of our women haste |
| 13:50.57 | Fisker | they're stupid like that, remember? |
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| 13:52.03 | Kraps | are Danish women hot? |
| 13:52.33 | Fisker | yes! |
| 13:52.52 | Wobin | mikma: That's scarily well photoshopped =P |
| 13:52.56 | Kraps | pics or it didnt happen |
| 13:53.57 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xEiMpPKjFo Kraps ! |
| 13:54.07 | mikma | dagmar: yey i got a sigil from 4 to 8! |
| 13:55.04 | Kraps | Fisker: nice, no wonder she got knocked up |
| 13:56.17 | Fisker | well she didn't |
| 13:56.47 | Kraps | bit long for an ad |
| 13:56.58 | Kraps | and what are they selling? |
| 13:57.05 | Fisker | The danish board of tourism just thought it would be a great idea to make this viral video insinuating that danish women are easy(i.e. whores) |
| 13:57.14 | Fisker | they're selling Denmark Kraps |
| 13:57.21 | Ackis | aren't they Fisker? |
| 13:57.21 | Fisker | with beer and whores |
| 13:57.34 | Kraps | thats whacked |
| 13:57.38 | Fisker | it differs from person to person Ackis :P |
| 13:58.46 | theorbtwo | Fisker: Seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to do, if they don't mind a little bit of political fallout. |
| 13:59.07 | theorbtwo | That is, it'll get people to denmark, but might piss of the danes while doing so. |
| 14:00.23 | Fisker | oh it did |
| 14:00.45 | Fisker | The original movie was removed from youtoob |
| 14:00.53 | Fisker | And pretty much every political party is pissed off at it :P |
| 14:08.02 | Kraps | did you guys see the serena williams thing? |
| 14:08.08 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjRBM7Og2Vg&feature=popt00us07 |
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| 14:10.50 | Bruners | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.08 | yunk | Hi, I've got a problem. I just coded my first Addon. It should play a sound, when my aggro is >= 90% (like Omen). The code is local _, _, threatpct, _, _ = UnitDetailedThreatSituation("player", "target") |
| 14:11.09 | yunk | if (UnitExists("target")) then |
| 14:11.11 | yunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.13 | yunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.14 | yunk | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:11.16 | yunk | end |
| 14:11.28 | yunk | but is does not work >.< no sound is played ~.~ |
| 14:11.53 | yunk | can anybody help me? ;-P |
| 14:12.41 | Lopeppeppy | If that is not the entire code, you should post it all in a pastey, see the channel topic for the URL. |
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| 14:14.18 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/09/13/funny-pictures-this-morning-we-secretly-replaced/ |
| 14:14.27 | yunk | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/125137 here it is |
| 14:14.51 | yunk | how I said, when my Aggro reaches 90+ % no sound is played -.-' |
| 14:17.23 | Kraps | yunk: what language is that? |
| 14:17.35 | yunk | lua... ^^ |
| 14:18.13 | ScytheBlade1 | something tells me that we need more code than just what you pasted |
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| 14:19.12 | yunk | Hm... thats all >.< Sry, I just started to learn... I think I forget something important? >.< |
| 14:19.19 | zenzelezz | yunk: have you tried playing the sound somewhere else to make sure the PlaySoundFile line works? |
| 14:19.31 | yunk | it works |
| 14:19.40 | ScytheBlade1 | That is your _entire_ lua file? |
| 14:19.44 | ScytheBlade1 | If so that definitely won't work |
| 14:20.11 | olafski | you need to have this code execute somewhere |
| 14:20.21 | olafski | currently it only executes when loading the addon I would say |
| 14:20.30 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 14:20.33 | ScytheBlade1 | and then.. never again |
| 14:20.37 | yunk | yes, it's the entire code |
| 14:20.40 | yunk | okay |
| 14:20.52 | olafski | go read about event processing or something I'd say ;) |
| 14:21.38 | Kraps | kanye west FAIL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yOOPHe3QHU&feature=popt00us02 |
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| 14:21.55 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:22.33 | kneeki | Anyone know what addon it is that makes the large spell icons on your target frame for the players debuffs? |
| 14:22.49 | yunk | olafski and Sythe: kk, thanks, I will see whar I can do :-P |
| 14:23.14 | olafski | some unitframe addon could do that.. xperl does it for me |
| 14:23.19 | olafski | not sure that's what you mean though |
| 14:23.33 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_%28API%29 |
| 14:24.43 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: holy crap that's annoying as sin. http://images.insightexpressai.com/adserver/images/exclamation-invite-png8.png passing from right to left on wowwiki on any page I load, not stopping until it reaches the far left of the page |
| 14:25.07 | kneeki | olafski: can you get that as a standalone? |
| 14:25.21 | olafski | I doubt it kneeki |
| 14:25.25 | olafski | but there surely are addons which do it I bet |
| 14:26.06 | ScytheBlade1 | yunk: that wowwiki link and the "see also" section should tell you what you need to know |
| 14:26.42 | kneeki | olafski: blegh... oh well, i'll just write it myself. thanks mang |
| 14:27.21 | yunk | ScytheBlade1: k, I'll start reading then and see what I will get =) thank you :) |
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| 14:51.13 | industrial | pff pvp exp is poop lower levels |
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| 14:53.27 | ScytheBlade1 | anyone know a good cooldown addon? |
| 14:53.37 | ScytheBlade1 | cooldownbuttons has been abandoned, it seems :( |
| 14:54.09 | Lopeppeppy | I've used classtimers for a while.... |
| 14:54.49 | Lopeppeppy | http://www.vranx.com/cooldowns.htm |
| 14:55.09 | Seerah | I use CoolLine |
| 14:55.41 | Seerah | or could use OmniCC |
| 14:57.19 | Kraps | ^ and inline aura |
| 15:05.50 | yunk | ScytheBlade1: Okay, after some reading and trying it looks like this: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/125145 but after an /rl I get the following Error:" Interface\AddOns\yThreat\yThreat.lua:3: '(' expected near ':' " I tried to fix it, but I can't figgure out wats wrong >.< can you help me -.-' |
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| 15:08.26 | Seerah | yunk: take out the local on line 3. since frame is already local, it's unnecessary |
| 15:10.06 | Seerah | yunk: did it fix your error? |
| 15:10.23 | yunk | Seerah: sec plx ^^ |
| 15:10.56 | yunk | Seerah: fixed =) another error now, will see how i can fix it ;-P |
| 15:13.15 | yunk | Seerah: "if (threatpct >= 90) then" attempet to compare number with nil. I think threatpct is no number? |
| 15:13.47 | kneeki | yunk: if threatpct == nil then threatpct = 0 end |
| 15:13.54 | Seerah | according to your code, that variable is nil when you get to that line |
| 15:13.57 | Seerah | ^^ |
| 15:14.15 | Seerah | or... threatpct = threatpct or 0 |
| 15:14.22 | kneeki | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:14.27 | kneeki | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/125148 |
| 15:14.58 | Fisker | slaps Seerah around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:15.04 | Fisker | you're not Shirik |
| 15:15.05 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:15.07 | Seerah | ~whaleshield |
| 15:15.08 | purl | ACTION summons a rather dense leaden whale named Billy Bob to shield seerah from the blast. |
| 15:15.30 | Fisker | that's a shield for whales not trouts |
| 15:15.31 | Seerah | glad to see your missing him :) |
| 15:15.38 | Seerah | is there a trout shield? |
| 15:15.42 | Seerah | ~troutshield |
| 15:15.51 | Seerah | I thought not... |
| 15:16.27 | yunk | kneeki: ThĆĀ¤nks, works fine now =) |
| 15:16.33 | kneeki | np |
| 15:16.36 | yunk | *thanks^^ |
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| 15:16.45 | Fisker | haha Kraps |
| 15:16.48 | Fisker | way to fuck it up |
| 15:19.35 | Kraps | Fisker: hmm? |
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| 15:20.28 | steev | http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-googles-search-patterns-say-economy-is-recovering-2009-9 |
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| 15:23.25 | Fisker | Kanye West ofc Kraftman |
| 15:23.27 | Fisker | Kraps * |
| 15:23.39 | steev | am lost |
| 15:23.41 | Kraftman | :'( |
| 15:23.46 | steev | whats all this about kanye? |
| 15:24.16 | Kraps | hes a class a fucktard |
| 15:24.29 | Lopeppeppy | Apparently he was a jerk at the awards ceremony last night, or the night before, or whatever. |
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| 15:24.55 | Kraps | jerk is a tame word for that |
| 15:25.15 | Lopeppeppy | Since I didn't see it, I'm not willing to jump on the OMG bandwagon with stronger words. |
| 15:25.23 | steev | ah |
| 15:25.34 | steev | well, george bush DOES hate black people, you know |
| 15:25.50 | Fisker | i hate black people too |
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| 15:28.15 | nicoli_s | fuck you fisker |
| 15:29.07 | steev | oh, that lil "beyonce's video was the best of the decade" |
| 15:29.10 | steev | meh |
| 15:29.18 | steev | whatever, can't believe that is news |
| 15:29.34 | nicoli_s | fuck kanye west too |
| 15:29.40 | Lopeppeppy | When there isn't news, they make crap up. |
| 15:29.53 | steev | s/When there isn't news, // |
| 15:30.01 | nicoli_s | made me wait till 2:30 to see his ass at bonnaroo cuz he wanted to play by himself, then he was like 2 hours late |
| 15:30.21 | nicoli_s | so his awesome "glow in the dark" tour got booed nearly off the stage at 5 am |
| 15:30.50 | steev | i'm pretending to care, but i stopped reading after wait |
| 15:31.01 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 15:31.30 | steev | :) |
| 15:33.07 | Kraps | its news because you dont fuck with a 17 year old like that |
| 15:33.14 | Lopeppeppy | 19. |
| 15:33.50 | Seerah | http://omg.yahoo.com/news/kanye-west-apologizes-to-taylor-swift/27732?nc apparently he lied about apologizing to her mom, and then removed his apology from his blog? |
| 15:34.08 | Lopeppeppy | Probably wrote it while drunk, and his publicist finally convinced him to take it down. |
| 15:34.34 | steev | *shrug* |
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| 15:34.58 | Lopeppeppy | When there isn't news, they make crap up. And nobody can ever convince me that stunts aren't pre-arranged. |
| 15:35.04 | steev | again, why do i give a shit if someone who makes an asston more money than they deserve gets their poor little feelings hurt because they couldn't thank someone that they speak to once a year |
| 15:35.39 | nicoli_s | i hear that Lopeppeppy |
| 15:35.56 | nicoli_s | who could really take kanye west's blog seriously anyways? he posts like 30 times a day in all caps |
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| 15:36.31 | Seerah | steev: /facepalm |
| 15:36.33 | Seerah | that is all |
| 15:36.57 | steev | Seerah: seriously, who gives a shit about celebrities and what they think |
| 15:37.41 | nicoli_s | i read hannah montanah's myspace religiously |
| 15:38.05 | Seerah | It's not about them being celebrities. It's about them being people. Celebrities are people, too. I could just say who gives a shit about you and what you think? |
| 15:38.28 | steev | Seerah: no one - so if i get my feelings hurt, its not news.... |
| 15:38.59 | Seerah | it only made national news because they're celebrities. But if it happened here, locally, even to people who weren't even local celebrities... If some jerk was an ass to a teenager at an awards ceremony, it'd make news |
| 15:39.09 | Ackis | will be a celebrity when he kills 53 people. |
| 15:39.56 | theorbtwo | Seerah: Would it really? I'm not sure I believe you. |
| 15:40.31 | Seerah | a slow news day, possibly, all just gossip, probably. But it doesn't negate the fact that he was a complete and total asswipe and ruined her moment |
| 15:40.31 | kdtresh | it might make the local news |
| 15:40.31 | Seerah | theorbtwo: even in Memphis |
| 15:40.31 | kdtresh | unless there was something of national significance related to the situation |
| 15:40.34 | nevcairiel | see, thats why i don't read local news or gossip in general, wtf do i care what other people do, in general :P |
| 15:40.39 | Seerah | but it's a thing called "sympathy" |
| 15:40.58 | kdtresh | my local news is boring as hell compared to somewhere like the bay area |
| 15:41.07 | kdtresh | there's always a story about shootings and crap there |
| 15:41.25 | theorbtwo | Part of it, I guess, is that I never see local news anymore. |
| 15:41.34 | theorbtwo | Local in the UK is a strange thing. |
| 15:41.37 | kdtresh | here we get stuff like "joe was a troubled kid. now he paints over grafiti. why aren't more kids like joe?" |
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| 16:00.52 | msoul | Is it an addon related your char window on top left or blizzad UI if i want to enable it or dis |
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| 16:01.48 | Lopeppeppy | msoul, I believe you have to use an addon to modify your unit frames in any way. |
| 16:02.02 | msoul | Oh right, any specific addon? |
| 16:02.22 | Lopeppeppy | Depends if you want to move it, or replace it. |
| 16:02.38 | Lopeppeppy | Vranx has good lists. http://www.vranx.com/ |
| 16:02.40 | Lunessa | Well, it /is/ possible to move them and scale them with a script in a macro, but it's easier to use an AddOn. |
| 16:02.49 | Lopeppeppy | Oh hi, Lunessa! *hug* |
| 16:02.49 | msoul | Move it so i can have satrina's bb instead there |
| 16:03.15 | msoul | will check it, thanks |
| 16:03.22 | Lopeppeppy | Look under Frame Mods on Vranx' site. |
| 16:03.36 | Lopeppeppy | Those will let you just move things. |
| 16:04.03 | Lunessa | FulidFrames is my favorite for just moving/scaling. |
| 16:04.46 | Lopeppeppy | It's the one I hear most about lately. |
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| 16:05.41 | cogwheel | So in the five years I've been at my current job we've had a whole two hard drive failures |
| 16:05.42 | msoul | Lunessa: i think FulidFrames would solve my problem with classtimer... been trying to move the timer bars to any other location on my screen instead of the middle... focus/fiendly and player stacks on each other |
| 16:05.48 | cogwheel | one of them was the other day |
| 16:05.53 | cogwheel | and it's an SSD |
| 16:05.55 | cogwheel | >< |
| 16:06.03 | Lopeppeppy | Class timer you can move without any other addon, just unlock it and move it. |
| 16:06.19 | Lunessa | msoul: ClassTimers can be moved with ALT+Left-Drag |
| 16:06.30 | Lunessa | cogwheel: ouch |
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| 16:06.48 | msoul | ohhh |
| 16:06.53 | msoul | let me check it right away |
| 16:10.49 | msoul | didn't work |
| 16:11.01 | Lopeppeppy | Did you check to see if they were locked? |
| 16:11.12 | Lopeppeppy | I use Classtimers and have no problems unlocking and moving the bars wherever I want them to be. |
| 16:11.23 | msoul | Lopeppeppy: yeah nothing about lock/unlock under /classtimer |
| 16:12.09 | msoul | sot it... thanks! |
| 16:12.26 | msoul | got* |
| 16:13.33 | msoul | I've installed it specifically to keep track on my diseases |
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| 16:17.05 | msoul | Splendid |
| 16:17.54 | zenzelezz | you should be more careful next time |
| 16:18.05 | msoul | Classtimer, EBB, BarTender4, DBM |
| 16:18.58 | msoul | Any other classes that Agility is a must besides rogue/druid btw |
| 16:19.18 | Lopeppeppy | Stabby shaman? Fury warrior? (just guesses) |
| 16:19.28 | nevcairiel | huntards? |
| 16:19.34 | nevcairiel | i dunno |
| 16:19.34 | zenzelezz | warriors barely gain anything from agility |
| 16:19.36 | Lopeppeppy | Do huntars enjoy to be agile? I don't know. They might. |
| 16:19.36 | msoul | oh yes hunters |
| 16:19.48 | msoul | but warriors favour str iirc |
| 16:19.57 | msoul | most mele dpsers do care of str/arp first |
| 16:20.02 | msoul | melee |
| 16:21.01 | Lunessa | Enhancement Shaman, Hunters, Druids in Cat form, Rogues - Everyone else pretty much wants Str. |
| 16:21.09 | msoul | Think i will keep it for the rogue agilirt greatness |
| 16:21.17 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=10867947562&postId=108668399490&sid=1#29 |
| 16:21.21 | Fisker | CALL THE POLICE! |
| 16:21.26 | msoul | Lunessa: Shaman is always a nice class to have |
| 16:21.31 | Fisker | i'm banning all chinese from my computer |
| 16:21.35 | Fisker | i'm breaking international law!1 |
| 16:21.46 | msoul | Hmmmm, not for if it is under enh that bolt thing ability with shamans |
| 16:21.47 | Lunessa | msoul: Considering I play one, I'm all for that view. |
| 16:21.49 | msoul | that throws you back |
| 16:22.23 | msoul | nice |
| 16:22.40 | msoul | Might start a shaman, dunno which race to go with.. racial abilities |
| 16:22.48 | Lunessa | Fisker: Don't you love people who play Lawyer on the Interwebs? |
| 16:22.55 | msoul | Tauren hoof thing, trolls that berserk and heard it got nerfed |
| 16:23.15 | Fisker | elawyers, attorney at lol |
| 16:23.54 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, how DID they change berserking anyway? |
| 16:24.12 | Fisker | 20% regardless of your health |
| 16:24.53 | NightHawkTheSane | is it still melee/ranged/cast speed, though? |
| 16:24.58 | NightHawkTheSane | if so, thats a pretty huge buff |
| 16:25.52 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, wowhead indicates it still is. so yeah, berserking is badass. |
| 16:26.08 | Lunessa | http://xkcd.com/636/ |
| 16:26.29 | msoul | NightHawkTheSane: it was one of the reasons why i picked troll rogue instead of undead/orc |
| 16:26.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Yeah, i've got a troll rogue and a troll shaman. |
| 16:27.02 | msoul | nice, both 80s? |
| 16:27.26 | NightHawkTheSane | shaman is, rogue is.. 72ish? *shrug* |
| 16:27.44 | msoul | nice |
| 16:27.59 | msoul | i wish my rogue is that far... started it recently "18" :( |
| 16:28.16 | msoul | and bought the greatness too |
| 16:28.28 | msoul | was afraid something will come along that kills greatness |
| 16:28.43 | msoul | everything from toc10/25 can play side by side with it |
| 16:28.43 | Ackis | I need some alliance people to test out: http://www.wowace.com/addons/faction-transfer-analyzer/files/46-0-3beta/ for me and let me know if the data is accurate for them please |
| 16:29.00 | msoul | Death's choice trinket is a badass one |
| 16:29.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Ackis: what does it do? |
| 16:29.56 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 16:30.20 | Lunessa | Ackis: You horked comments? Silly boy. Comments are where you get to tell YOUR OWN jokes. |
| 16:30.28 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, hey, i suppose i could just look at the projects home page |
| 16:30.37 | Lunessa | Except the joke I gave Esamynn|Away permission to include in Astrolabe. |
| 16:30.39 | Ackis | NightHawkTheSane: scans your reputations/mounts and lets you know what you have and what it'll be transfered to |
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| 16:30.56 | Ackis | basically makes the comparison of http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/faction-change/index.xml automated for you |
| 16:31.05 | Shirik | rawr |
| 16:32.05 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr to you too, Shirik. |
| 16:32.34 | Lopeppeppy | So in game I can analyze what will happen if I swap a character around? |
| 16:32.38 | Shirik | It's scary that I just got an IEEE newsletter and actually recognized the name of the speaker in the next meeting |
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| 16:33.16 | zenzelezz | is intrigued that Minion claims to have found an update for his personal, never-released addon |
| 16:33.20 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: yah basically |
| 16:33.25 | ScytheBlade1 | zenzelezz: log plz |
| 16:33.27 | Shirik | zenzelezz: It is very good |
| 16:33.41 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: the gui on it is primitive right now but I want to update the data first |
| 16:34.08 | Ackis | once that's done and I get the data output in an easier to read format I'll post releases :D |
| 16:34.15 | NightHawkTheSane | zenzelezz: it scans your MIND and AUTOMAGICALLY codes the update for you! |
| 16:34.16 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa! I lined up all my ducks again, I have the authenticator and the password and the network card, yay! |
| 16:34.19 | ScytheBlade1 | hm, irssi update |
| 16:34.25 | ScytheBlade1 | something tells me that is security related, brb |
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| 16:35.07 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1... |
| 16:35.14 | Shirik | the last irssi update was in July |
| 16:36.19 | ScytheBlade1 | for your version, maybe |
| 16:36.47 | Shirik | for everyone's version except where a distro jacked with it and broke something |
| 16:36.51 | zenzelezz | ah, I see... Minion saw "ZenzioUI-StatBars" and thought it was the same as "StatBars" |
| 16:36.51 | Shirik | *cough* Ubuntu *cough* |
| 16:37.00 | Fisker | your addon sucks and it should feel bad Ackis |
| 16:37.30 | ScytheBlade1 | unless of course, you're on an older version that gets security updates backported, sure |
| 16:37.36 | Ackis | Fisker: not today please bud |
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| 16:38.26 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Now why would you do that? |
| 16:38.27 | Fisker | yes today |
| 16:38.28 | Shirik | hmmmm |
| 16:38.34 | ScytheBlade1 | it's CentOS? |
| 16:38.41 | Shirik | let's see, I can have the latest version with the latest security updates |
| 16:38.49 | Shirik | or I can have an old version and wait longer for security updates |
| 16:38.58 | Shirik | and hope that they are backported correctly |
| 16:39.04 | Shirik | noty |
| 16:39.16 | Shirik | on another note |
| 16:39.29 | Shirik | why is "constant yes" program `yes` but "constant no" program `yes no` |
| 16:39.32 | Shirik | :P |
| 16:39.38 | Shirik | why does "yes" get special treatment |
| 16:39.49 | Shirik | that's discrimination |
| 16:40.06 | ScytheBlade1 | is still 110% glad he isn't running gentoo |
| 16:40.19 | NightHawkTheSane | calls the men in white coats for Shirik |
| 16:40.21 | Shirik | you know, Ijust realized |
| 16:40.26 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: *huggles* Does this mean we'll actually, I don't know... see you playing WoW? |
| 16:40.40 | Shirik | I personally know 4 of my IEEE section's 11 officers |
| 16:40.42 | Shirik | that's scary |
| 16:41.05 | zenzelezz | better than knowing their chapter 11 officers |
| 16:41.12 | Shirik | .. |
| 16:42.02 | NightHawkTheSane | hah |
| 16:42.53 | Kraps | man, what they subject reporters to these days http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loWFypHb48k&feature=popt00us15 |
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| 16:55.12 | Fisker | i remember you Kraps |
| 16:55.35 | Kraps | you do? |
| 16:55.44 | Kraps | have we met? |
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| 16:56.21 | Stanzilla | in the mountains |
| 16:59.17 | Fisker | yes |
| 16:59.46 | Fisker | i'm not quite sure you can call them mountains though |
| 16:59.46 | Fisker | it's more like a hill for a guy like thorim |
| 16:59.46 | Fisker | if even that |
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| 17:01.16 | kd3 | hey ScytheBlade1; which browser/os are you seeing that on? |
| 17:01.17 | kd3 | I'm have staff yell at our ad team now |
| 17:01.51 | kd3 | s/have/having/ |
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| 17:03.15 | ScytheBlade1 | firefox/linux |
| 17:04.14 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah just got it again |
| 17:04.16 | kd3 | thought so. the js is probably shot... it's only supposed to show once a day, not every 3-5 page loads like what I'm seeing too |
| 17:04.16 | ScytheBlade1 | On http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_%28API%29 |
| 17:04.37 | ScytheBlade1 | It is... agitating |
| 17:05.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Agitating enough to make me login, which as I don't keep cookies past a browser session, is saying something |
| 17:05.14 | kd3 | I agree; have been bitching on-and-off for 12 hours or so |
| 17:06.31 | Fisker | wuts wrong kd3 ? |
| 17:07.50 | Fisker | am doesn't getting it |
| 17:08.18 | ScytheBlade1 | open that page I linked and refresh a few times |
| 17:08.27 | ScytheBlade1 | have JS enabled and adblock off, if applicable |
| 17:11.44 | Fisker | timespan used up ScytheBlade1 ;( |
| 17:12.23 | batrick | damn it shirik left |
| 17:12.33 | batrick | Am I correct that the irssi exploit requires the server to participate? |
| 17:12.47 | batrick | that is, we would need to connect to a malicious server? |
| 17:13.01 | ScytheBlade1 | no idea |
| 17:13.13 | batrick | i'm pretty sure that was the case |
| 17:13.17 | batrick | i didn't bother updating |
| 17:13.53 | kd3 | I've just been hitting special:random |
| 17:14.03 | batrick | "A remote attacker might entice a user to connect to a malicious IRC |
| 17:14.06 | batrick | server, ..." |
| 17:14.14 | batrick | so ya, I am not going to bother |
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| 17:15.27 | kd3 | huzzah, my new sata cables are here |
| 17:15.43 | Fisker | for what? |
| 17:15.53 | Fisker | HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND ART...KD3? |
| 17:16.08 | ScytheBlade1 | 13:14 -!- kd3 [n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree] has quit ["new toys!"] |
| 17:16.31 | Fisker | HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND ART.ScytheBlade1? |
| 17:18.44 | industrial | installs the Haiku OS |
| 17:19.07 | industrial | in virtualBOX that is |
| 17:20.12 | Fisker | HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND ART...industrial? |
| 17:21.44 | Ackis | lua> t = {};function foo local function adddata(i) t[i] = "foo" end adddata(1);adddata(2); print(t[1]) |
| 17:21.45 | lua_bot | Ackis: luabot:1: '(' expected near 'local' |
| 17:21.54 | Ackis | lua> t = {};function foo() local function adddata(i) t[i] = "foo" end adddata(1);adddata(2); print(t[1]) |
| 17:21.55 | lua_bot | Ackis: luabot:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
| 17:22.04 | industrial | ~seen Tuller |
| 17:22.09 | purl | tuller <n=muffins@pool-96-248-0-53.rcmdva.fios.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 1d 22h 14m 16s ago, saying: 'Cide: per the windows calculator 155'. |
| 17:22.09 | Ackis | lua> t = {};function foo() local function adddata(i) t[i] = "foo" end adddata(1);adddata(2);end;print(t[1]) |
| 17:22.09 | lua_bot | Ackis: nil |
| 17:22.10 | Ackis | bah |
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| 17:22.36 | Ackis | lua> t = {};function foo() local function adddata(i) t[i] = "foo" end adddata(1);adddata(2);end;foo();print(t[1]) |
| 17:22.36 | lua_bot | Ackis: foo |
| 17:22.41 | Ackis | ahh it worked |
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| 17:38.17 | industrial | http://pastey.net/125156-3ysh:125155-20z2/612 |
| 17:38.19 | industrial | line 612 |
| 17:38.38 | industrial | tried adding some modifiers but doesnt work :( guess it's not that simple? |
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| 17:40.35 | Lunessa | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1212583/Family-horrified-getting-restaurant-describing-year-old-daughter-little-f--er.html |
| 17:43.08 | industrial | http://pastey.net/125157-qvjm:125155-20z2 |
| 17:43.13 | industrial | getting unknown macro option errors now |
| 17:43.14 | industrial | :p |
| 17:47.29 | alestane | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19820325093&sid=1#8 Should I just ignore this person? |
| 17:48.40 | Lunessa | industrial: You realize that [mod:ctrl] appears twice? |
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| 17:50.34 | Lunessa | alestane: Yes. He's a prick who believes that because his view is his, it's the only right view. And you'll never convince him with any argument of any kind. He's stopped accepting information. |
| 17:50.47 | alestane | Anyone here actually believe that it's impossible for anyone to play effectively without timer bars? |
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| 17:51.08 | Lunessa | I don't use a timer bar, and I'm pretty f'ing effective. |
| 17:51.13 | Dagmar | I don't even have timer bars |
| 17:51.23 | alestane | Then yes, he's just deluded. |
| 17:51.54 | Dagmar | Only thing I could really even use 'em for is traps, and cripes, I've not used those in months in any capacity that needed a timer |
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| 17:54.24 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh man I can post on the forums again |
| 17:54.25 | ScytheBlade1 | TIME TO REPLY |
| 17:55.01 | alestane | ...so you can post on the forums again, for ten minutes or so? |
| 17:55.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I haven't had a WoW account for months |
| 17:55.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I just realized today that I can post, and have been able to post for about 2 weeks |
| 17:58.34 | industrial | Lunessa: that the versioning mark |
| 17:58.38 | industrial | red = remove, green add |
| 17:58.40 | cbreak | I haven't looked at the wow forums for about a year |
| 17:58.40 | cbreak | the stuff discussed there was too pointless to bother |
| 17:58.50 | industrial | same |
| 17:59.18 | industrial | it puked me out and got all cursed up, guess I have too sane ideas! |
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| 18:00.00 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 18:00.19 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy |
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| 18:01.21 | ScytheBlade1 | "Message Posted" |
| 18:01.30 | ScytheBlade1 | This is only going to go bad places, I can tell already |
| 18:03.12 | Shirik | ? |
| 18:03.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Me posting on the wow forums |
| 18:03.36 | Shirik | pourquoi? |
| 18:03.42 | ScytheBlade1 | english? |
| 18:03.46 | Shirik | why? |
| 18:04.02 | ScytheBlade1 | a stupid person on UI&M |
| 18:04.08 | Shirik | linky |
| 18:04.34 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19820325093&sid=1 |
| 18:04.43 | Shirik | I swear, the internet has invented a whole new language |
| 18:04.53 | Shirik | spoken, that conversation would have no meeting |
| 18:06.22 | alestane | "meaning"..? |
| 18:06.33 | Shirik | yeah |
| 18:06.33 | Shirik | that |
| 18:08.50 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: I laud your supportĆ¢ĀĀit's wonderfully sane and outwardly polite for what it is...but the reason for my original post was to try and encourage the people interested in that thread directed towards useful, constructive suggestions that might actually be considered. Yours looks suspiciously like incitement. |
| 18:09.19 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah, you should have seen it originally -.- |
| 18:10.17 | ScytheBlade1 | eh |
| 18:10.20 | ScytheBlade1 | that should be better |
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| 18:13.40 | haste | Bruners: ping |
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| 18:21.32 | Shirik | how to know Druids are OP |
| 18:21.52 | Shirik | Druid total healing: 3869579. Priest total healing: 2612721. |
| 18:21.56 | Shirik | Priest is still #1 |
| 18:22.16 | Shirik | Druid HPS: 5952. Druid EHPS: 1666. |
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| 18:22.40 | Shirik | how he managed to do that, I don't know |
| 18:24.12 | Lunessa | There's a reason I refrain from calling idiots idiots. It only leads to more shouting. |
| 18:24.52 | Shirik | Lunessa you idiot |
| 18:25.08 | Lunessa | SHIRIK - I WILL END YOU! RAWR |
| 18:25.13 | Shirik | :D |
| 18:25.56 | Shirik | Seriously though |
| 18:26.03 | Shirik | is it just me that thinks druids' healing is too powerful? |
| 18:26.19 | nevcairiel | speaking for the druids on this world: yes. |
| 18:26.33 | Shirik | ... |
| 18:26.37 | Kraps | <3 druid heals |
| 18:26.38 | Shirik | can I get an unbiased answer? |
| 18:26.52 | nevcairiel | no answer is ever unbiased |
| 18:27.01 | nevcairiel | either you played with them and loved them, or against and hated |
| 18:27.06 | Shirik | I happen to know this druid is absolutely horrible |
| 18:27.08 | Movix | hi, i have issues when using SetGuildInfoText(). What i do is reading the content with GetGuildInfoText and after modifcation i write it back with SetGuildInfoText(). |
| 18:27.09 | Movix | Whe i do this to close to the PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD event it results in a wrong content. Seems to me the read function has returned a zero length string. Is there a way to check if the guild data is properly available ? |
| 18:27.11 | Shirik | yet he consistently destroys everyone else |
| 18:28.04 | nevcairiel | context? |
| 18:28.16 | nevcairiel | fight etc? |
| 18:28.21 | Shirik | any fight |
| 18:28.27 | Shirik | Ulduar-ish raids |
| 18:28.29 | Shirik | 25 |
| 18:28.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Movix: yes, there is a specific event for that |
| 18:29.08 | ScytheBlade1 | GUILD_ROSTER_UPDATE iirc |
| 18:29.33 | nevcairiel | Shirik, he can't be that horrible then, or your other healers are even worse |
| 18:29.47 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Trust me, he is horrible. |
| 18:30.00 | Shirik | he is your typical "lol wut is fire?" |
| 18:30.09 | nevcairiel | that doesnt mean he cant heal |
| 18:30.14 | nevcairiel | until he is dead.. |
| 18:30.15 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 18:30.48 | nevcairiel | I know lots of healers that can stare at their frames and pull a perfect healign rotation |
| 18:30.59 | nevcairiel | but they cant pay attention to the 3d world |
| 18:31.04 | kneeki | Sad that Norman Borlaug is dead =( |
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| 18:31.38 | Movix | thank you |
| 18:31.40 | nevcairiel | especially as a druid you get loads of healing if you run a perfect HoT rotation |
| 18:31.55 | nevcairiel | but if you can't move .. well you suck anyway :P |
| 18:32.00 | Shirik | nevcairiel: These same people can't speak english? |
| 18:32.07 | Shirik | like |
| 18:32.13 | Shirik | he shows every classic sign of your horrible PUG |
| 18:32.17 | nevcairiel | probably, but i play with german people anyway, its not neccessary |
| 18:33.14 | Shirik | lol. |
| 18:33.18 | Shirik | Looking at the meters |
| 18:33.24 | Shirik | 650: Pet |
| 18:33.29 | Shirik | and I'm like "how the hell did my pet heal" |
| 18:33.38 | Shirik | (+) Shadowfiend:Improved Leader of the Pack00%1650100% |
| 18:34.46 | Shirik | like seriously nevcairiel |
| 18:34.49 | Shirik | mimiron |
| 18:34.54 | Shirik | he has 9009 HPS |
| 18:34.57 | Shirik | wtf |
| 18:34.59 | nevcairiel | mimiron is a perfect druid fight |
| 18:35.03 | nevcairiel | loads of AoE dmg |
| 18:35.10 | Shirik | 9009! |
| 18:35.14 | Shirik | THAT'S OVER 9000! |
| 18:35.14 | nevcairiel | its not a good comparison |
| 18:35.25 | Shirik | hm I really slacked on renew that fight |
| 18:35.27 | nevcairiel | you can run HoTs on so many people, and they all fully heal |
| 18:35.33 | nevcairiel | its so awesome |
| 18:35.56 | Shirik | if by awesome you mean OP |
| 18:35.57 | Shirik | then yes |
| 18:36.08 | Dagmar | Yeah at first I thought the claims people were making about druids in that fight were mistaken |
| 18:36.09 | Shirik | the only fight I beat him on is Yogg |
| 18:36.11 | Shirik | and I don't know why |
| 18:36.25 | nevcairiel | vezax is a fail fight for druids |
| 18:36.45 | Shirik | I think he was #1 on vezax too, but I think that's mostly due to our assignments so I kinda ignored it |
| 18:37.11 | Shirik | yeah he was |
| 18:37.20 | Shirik | it's primarily because our DPS is horrible |
| 18:37.24 | Shirik | at dodging shadow crash |
| 18:37.28 | Shirik | and he's the ranged DPS healer |
| 18:37.38 | nevcairiel | you assign a healer for those? |
| 18:37.44 | nevcairiel | they must be fail |
| 18:37.59 | Shirik | ... yeah. |
| 18:38.01 | Shirik | you have no idea |
| 18:38.38 | nevcairiel | in 10m i used to run around and bandage range that got hit |
| 18:38.41 | nevcairiel | was kinda fun :P |
| 18:38.58 | nevcairiel | our fun 10m raids is about the only thing i miss from playing |
| 18:39.03 | nevcairiel | those were entertaining, mostly |
| 18:39.21 | Shirik | brb |
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| 18:40.56 | Diskmaster | Does the author of the QuestHelper addon frequent this channel? |
| 18:41.16 | nevcairiel | he does |
| 18:42.53 | ScytheBlade1 | he's around, even |
| 18:43.11 | nevcairiel | at least his client is |
| 18:43.25 | ScytheBlade1 | true enough |
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| 18:44.29 | Diskmaster | I just have a location correction to report with a specific quest (QH is showing the quest objective about 541 yards from the location it's supposed to be at.). |
| 18:44.52 | nevcairiel | I wonder if he takes those sorts of feedback =P |
| 18:45.18 | kdtresh | i imagine if you finish the quest properly and upload your data at some point it will be added to the rest |
| 18:45.44 | alestane | Why do MMOs or other games advertise themselves as "most addiciting?" Why is this a desirable characteristic? |
| 18:45.58 | nevcairiel | long-term-fun |
| 18:46.20 | Lopeppeppy | short term stupidity |
| 18:46.32 | kdtresh | or for people who are bored a lot and have nothing to do |
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| 18:47.29 | Fisker | HAVE YOU LOST YOUR MIND tekkub |
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| 18:59.57 | Lunessa | alestane: Try my new Crack Cocaine Infused Snacks! They're the most addicting product on the market! |
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| 19:00.43 | Shirik | you nevcairiel |
| 19:00.47 | nevcairiel | huh? |
| 19:00.49 | Shirik | roll a priest |
| 19:00.51 | Shirik | become enlightened |
| 19:00.53 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 19:01.00 | nevcairiel | i'm a druid for ever |
| 19:01.12 | nevcairiel | although i dont even play anymore |
| 19:01.19 | nevcairiel | maybe trying it out next expansion again |
| 19:01.31 | nevcairiel | levelign a worgen druid :P |
| 19:01.46 | Shirik | worgen priest |
| 19:01.59 | Shirik | you mean |
| 19:02.04 | nevcairiel | i played a priest to 24 and i didnt like it at all |
| 19:02.26 | nevcairiel | if soem class cant at least entertain me while leveling .. i dunno |
| 19:02.43 | Shirik | haha |
| 19:02.46 | Shirik | leveling a priest is so bad |
| 19:02.50 | Shirik | and you know what's worse? |
| 19:02.53 | Shirik | I have 5 :( |
| 19:02.56 | nevcairiel | haha |
| 19:03.04 | nevcairiel | i never leveld any class twice, yet |
| 19:03.09 | nevcairiel | not counting Betas |
| 19:03.15 | kdtresh | you aren't an altar boy, are you? trying to get revenge? |
| 19:03.29 | smcn | i paid $55 to faction change & transfer a priest instead of levelling a new one :P |
| 19:03.36 | Lunessa | Shirik: You have confirmed it beyond all doubt. You're a masochist. |
| 19:03.41 | Shirik | :( |
| 19:03.45 | nicoli_s | you a multiboxer shirk? |
| 19:03.48 | Shirik | no |
| 19:03.54 | nicoli_s | then why 5 priests? |
| 19:03.58 | Lunessa | 5x Mind Sear ... |
| 19:03.58 | zenzelezz | he's a multiboxer dagger |
| 19:03.59 | Shirik | it's complicated |
| 19:04.08 | Shirik | so first I wanted a priest |
| 19:04.14 | Shirik | so I started leveling it on one server |
| 19:04.17 | Shirik | that was a NE |
| 19:04.18 | Lunessa | Oh, I have 3 shaman. It's not hard to understand. |
| 19:04.22 | Shirik | then I was like NE priests suck |
| 19:04.26 | Shirik | I want Fear Ward |
| 19:04.32 | Shirik | so I leveled a dwarf |
| 19:04.41 | Shirik | well then I realized I need to leave that server |
| 19:04.46 | Shirik | so I leveled a BE priest on another server |
| 19:05.03 | Shirik | now I want to go back |
| 19:05.08 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 19:05.11 | Shirik | but now that everyone has FW I don't want to play a dwarf cause they're ugly |
| 19:05.15 | Shirik | I want to play a draenei |
| 19:05.19 | Shirik | so I'm leveling a draenei |
| 19:05.24 | Shirik | ok, sorry, 4 |
| 19:05.24 | Shirik | not 5 |
| 19:05.27 | nevcairiel | male draenei? you know, they're ugly too |
| 19:05.33 | Shirik | female |
| 19:05.40 | nevcairiel | thats better |
| 19:06.30 | nevcairiel | i'm still on the same realm since release day |
| 19:06.32 | Shirik | right now I'm in the "My Draenei is 46. Do I transfer the BE or do I finish leveling" |
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| 19:06.37 | nevcairiel | and i've been in the same guild |
| 19:06.40 | nevcairiel | until i quit |
| 19:06.53 | nevcairiel | the guild fell apart in the time after that, but shrug :P |
| 19:07.02 | zenzelezz | any character who plays a class who wears dresses should be forced to be female |
| 19:07.16 | nevcairiel | male dwarves are actually kinda classy, imho |
| 19:07.23 | nevcairiel | even as dress wearing priests |
| 19:07.23 | zenzelezz | not in dresses |
| 19:07.45 | Shirik | no |
| 19:07.49 | Shirik | male dwarves are so ugly |
| 19:08.10 | zenzelezz | I'd have made my warrior a female if I didn't know he'd be wearing armor completely obstructing his appearance anyway |
| 19:08.18 | kd3 | yay new sata cables |
| 19:08.33 | foxlit | "yay" on the same line as "new cables"? |
| 19:08.34 | nevcairiel | kd3, whats so special about new cables? old one broke? :P |
| 19:08.49 | kdtresh | shiny? |
| 19:09.05 | kd3 | hopefully less heart attacks over potential harddrive failures due to loose cables |
| 19:09.07 | Lunessa | You know, I play a male Draenei shaman. And almost all of my armor sets give me a "kilt" to wear. |
| 19:09.08 | kd3 | as been happening of late |
| 19:09.13 | zenzelezz | anyone know if it's possible to use multiple harddrives for one single "partition" (mount point, like /) on linux without using a RAID? |
| 19:09.26 | ScytheBlade1 | LVM |
| 19:09.31 | kd3 | ^ |
| 19:09.37 | zenzelezz | I take that as a "yes" then? |
| 19:09.47 | nevcairiel | software-raid, sure |
| 19:09.49 | nevcairiel | LVM ^ |
| 19:09.51 | ScytheBlade1 | !g logical volume manager linux |
| 19:09.52 | zenzelezz | awesome, thanks; I'll read up |
| 19:09.52 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: Logical Volume Manager (Linux) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_Volume_Manager_(Linux)> |
| 19:10.29 | nevcairiel | note that for / on a LVM, you need to jump through some extra hoops :) |
| 19:10.43 | kd3 | or just install fedora, which has been putting / on an lvm forever |
| 19:10.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
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| 19:11.42 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/kaboom.gif |
| 19:12.04 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: I'm about to do a clean install of Slackware 13 anyway, I'm willing to do some hooping |
| 19:12.40 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/retarted_football.jpg |
| 19:12.52 | nevcairiel | I don't know much about slackware these days, but you'll need to build an initrd with LVM on it to get / to be available after the kernel boot, no idea if slackware has a pre-build thing for that |
| 19:13.13 | Dagmar | what? |
| 19:13.23 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: there appears to be some instructions readily available: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-13.0/README_LVM.TXT |
| 19:13.58 | Dagmar | You actually don't need to go to that trouble |
| 19:13.59 | zenzelezz | but cheers all for pointing out LVM, I've never had a look at it before |
| 19:14.03 | nevcairiel | ah yeah, that looks good, talks you through the initrd creationg |
| 19:14.22 | kd3 | is kinda surprised that slack doesn't natively handle booting off an lvm |
| 19:14.36 | Dagmar | lilo does |
| 19:14.43 | Dagmar | ...so Slack does |
| 19:14.47 | kd3 | s/booting/installing on ot/ |
| 19:14.54 | kd3 | s/ot/to/ |
| 19:14.54 | Dagmar | You just don't stripe |
| 19:15.20 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: LVM is the shiznit if you have a lot of disk |
| 19:15.40 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: yeah, looks like it :) |
| 19:15.41 | nevcairiel | loading the kernel is one thing, but the kernel needs to be able to initialize the LVM before it can actually start the init process, thats where the initial-ram-disk (initrd) comes in |
| 19:15.53 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: I've been using it with MythTV for awhile now |
| 19:16.18 | kd3 | though myth's finally gotten smart and is using storage groups; so it's not strictly necessary to use an lvm |
| 19:16.23 | zenzelezz | Slackware has taught me a lot. Like remembering to compile DMA into the kernel. And support for the file system your partitions use. |
| 19:16.45 | Dagmar | You can also just slap in a 256Mb / partition that isn't on LVM |
| 19:16.57 | zenzelezz | (was *not* fun recompiling the kernel on a disk in PIO mode) |
| 19:17.00 | Dagmar | It's what I did just to be lazy |
| 19:17.26 | nevcairiel | zenzelezz, isnt DMA active on default settings..? :) |
| 19:17.49 | zenzelezz | nevcairiel: what fun is it to compile a kernel with default settings? (... or so I thought, until I messed it up enough times) |
| 19:18.24 | zenzelezz | actually, that's not true... I mostly "had" to compile it myself when I ran a Via Mini-ITX board |
| 19:18.24 | nevcairiel | well not stricly using default settings, just as a template =p |
| 19:18.30 | Fisker | kd3 have you lost your mind? |
| 19:18.42 | kd3 | "lost"? have I ever had it? |
| 19:18.45 | Dagmar | But... but... if you don't compile a kernel without DMA, how are you ever supposed to think you need to start running hdparm with the -Xbreakmystuff argument? |
| 19:19.02 | Kraps | is happy that he doesnt have to really gem for hit |
| 19:19.18 | nevcairiel | but its true, building your own kernel teaches you alot about your system |
| 19:19.20 | Shirik | I'm going to add that feature to my next program |
| 19:19.39 | Dagmar | An argument that lets you tell the hardware to do things it has no idea how to do? |
| 19:19.44 | Shirik | yup |
| 19:19.48 | Dagmar | heheh |
| 19:20.01 | Dagmar | Oh. |
| 19:20.01 | kd3 | "-Xbreakmystuff"? oh. sure... just give people ominous red buttons with 'do not press' stuck on top of them |
| 19:20.05 | Dagmar | If you start using LVM... |
| 19:20.14 | Dagmar | FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, remember to back up the /etc/lvm directory |
| 19:20.30 | Dagmar | Trying to figure out what order you allocated things in later is NOT funny |
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| 19:20.39 | zenzelezz | sounds like a good tip |
| 19:20.48 | Shirik | backups are overrated |
| 19:21.00 | Dagmar | I went through that last week when I brought my big pile o' disks back up |
| 19:21.22 | alestane | Shirik: Well yeah, all you have to do is never mess up your computer. |
| 19:21.35 | Shirik | or never have your computer mess you up |
| 19:21.46 | Dagmar | It kept saying things that sounded a lot like "I'm about to run roughshod over these disks now. Press 'Y' to accept your fate" |
| 19:22.15 | Lopeppeppy | is decadent! |
| 19:22.23 | Lopeppeppy | Just thought y'all should know. |
| 19:22.23 | alestane | Dagmar: Saved for quoting. |
| 19:22.30 | zenzelezz | "roughshod"... that's one of those words I just can't hear without thinking of LBRS |
| 19:22.38 | Shirik | decadent? |
| 19:22.40 | kd3 | lol |
| 19:22.49 | Lopeppeppy | Very. |
| 19:22.59 | Shirik | I don't know what that means :( |
| 19:23.00 | Lopeppeppy | Like... a triple chocolate brownie with only the best chocolate ever. |
| 19:23.09 | Lopeppeppy | ~dict decadent |
| 19:23.10 | Shirik | so Lopeppeppy is asking us to eat her up |
| 19:23.34 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, zing, purl, that's the worst definition of decadent I've ever heard! |
| 19:23.35 | kd3 | laughs at purl's choice |
| 19:23.38 | zenzelezz | <Lopeppeppy> Like... a triple chocolate brownie with only the best chocolate ever. <--- so tempted to do eat peppy |
| 19:23.57 | zenzelezz | one of these days I WILL stop rewriting my sentences half-way through |
| 19:23.59 | nicoli_s | anytime you say "man i shouldnt be eating this, but its so good i cant stop" its decadent |
| 19:24.00 | Lopeppeppy | "characterized by or appealing to self-indulgence" |
| 19:24.21 | Thunder_Child | it doesnt just have to do with food people |
| 19:24.22 | Dagmar | nicoli_s: Or your dimsum bar has figured out that opium makes a great spice |
| 19:24.38 | nicoli_s | mmmm opium spice |
| 19:24.44 | Lopeppeppy | Indulgent and luscious experiences are decadent. |
| 19:24.45 | nicoli_s | that would taste so horrible |
| 19:24.56 | Dagmar | That's actually happened before, BTW |
| 19:25.11 | Thunder_Child | you couldnt even type out eating peppy properly zenzelezz |
| 19:25.16 | nicoli_s | you wonder how they wouldnt be able to tell, opium has such a crazy strong smell |
| 19:25.21 | Dagmar | Some dimsum bar got investigated because their competitors (on the same street) complained that they were taking all their business |
| 19:25.35 | Lopeppeppy | TC, please don't make me the subject of a literary challenge! :) |
| 19:25.37 | Dagmar | Cops show up, sure enough there a line for the one dimsum bar stretching down the block |
| 19:25.45 | zenzelezz | Thunder_Child: exactly. I was writing the sentence differently at first, then went back and changed it, but didn't read it carefully enough |
| 19:25.50 | zenzelezz | and I make that mistake all the time |
| 19:26.03 | Dagmar | Turns out they were doping the food |
| 19:26.03 | Thunder_Child | Lopeppeppy, i didnt... zenzelezz did! |
| 19:26.53 | Lopeppeppy | Is that like... su do make me decadent? |
| 19:27.03 | nicoli_s | Dagmar: i dont know wtf dimsum is but i want some from that shop |
| 19:27.05 | Shirik | sudo chmod +decadent Lopeppeppy |
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| 19:27.24 | zenzelezz | Password: |
| 19:27.29 | Lopeppeppy | "yes" |
| 19:27.51 | Dagmar | nicoli_s: Basically, you sit at a table, and people bring food by. |
| 19:27.57 | Dagmar | Lots of food. |
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| 19:28.13 | nicoli_s | so lazy buffet, im down for that |
| 19:28.21 | Dagmar | Much of which you won't even recognize. You just say "Ah that looks tasty" and they give you some and mark it on your little card |
| 19:28.25 | Dagmar | Yes. It's a lazy-man's buffet |
| 19:28.35 | Lunessa | decadent - think Roman bacchanals. Think "any culture that develops a vomitoruim so that they can keep partying." |
| 19:28.38 | Dagmar | Just, remember to ask what it is |
| 19:28.45 | Dagmar | Sometimes you get whole chicken's feet |
| 19:28.51 | nicoli_s | ewww |
| 19:28.51 | Dagmar | Talons intact. |
| 19:29.02 | Lopeppeppy | Hmm... I don't think I'm quite that decadent, Lunessa. :) |
| 19:29.06 | Thunder_Child | vs. half chickens feet? |
| 19:29.13 | nicoli_s | im not down with that shit |
| 19:29.21 | Lopeppeppy | Random question is random: Anyone have experience with "trigger thumb" ? |
| 19:29.24 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: It's decadent. |
| 19:29.29 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: vs. things which don't look like the parts eveyrone else throws away |
| 19:29.33 | Lunessa | Just not the "good" kind. |
| 19:29.37 | alestane | What my friend said about Dim Sum: "Never Point at anything in a Dim Sum restaurant, because they *will* put it on your plate, and you *will* have to pay for it; and it *will* be bad. |
| 19:29.37 | alestane | "I pointed and the chicken feet. That was my mistake." |
| 19:29.44 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: Sounds like a variant of nintendo thumb |
| 19:29.59 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 19:30.01 | Lopeppeppy | Dagmar: *laugh* I was thinking of it as a variant of carpal tunnel syndrome. |
| 19:30.02 | Dagmar | ...or something you get when you really suck at suicide with a pistol |
| 19:30.07 | alestane | pointed at* |
| 19:30.41 | Dagmar | Chicken's feet taste okay, but they still look horrifying |
| 19:30.54 | nicoli_s | Lopeppeppy: is it like blackberry finger? |
| 19:30.58 | Dagmar | I will never do that again |
| 19:31.45 | Shirik | na nananana nanananana nananananana |
| 19:32.08 | Lopeppeppy | nicoli_s, I don't text. I am a very computer-focused person, at home and at work, which is why I was thinking "variant of carpal tunnel". |
| 19:32.28 | Lopeppeppy | The last joint of my thumb just... locks bent. It's mighy painful to try to flex it back out. |
| 19:32.33 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy should give me her blackberry messenger id |
| 19:32.57 | Lopeppeppy | I am innocent of texting! |
| 19:33.11 | Dagmar | Sounds like a muscle pull |
| 19:33.44 | Dagmar | If you've been texting tho, I hope you have an unlimited messages plan |
| 19:33.47 | Lopeppeppy | I'd expect that to get better with NSAIDS and RICE. No go. *shrug* Trigger thumb is a tendon issue. |
| 19:34.06 | Lopeppeppy | No texting! *laugh* I canceled my text plan about 4 months ago, even. |
| 19:34.22 | Dagmar | http://www.childrenshospital.org/az/Site1025/mainpageS1025P0.html |
| 19:34.28 | kd3 | still finds it hilarious that it costs more per megabyte to send data via text messages than it does to send data to mars |
| 19:34.35 | alestane | She had to stop texting me because the plan cost too much. |
| 19:34.58 | alestane | kd3: That's because you can make way more money off people texting than you can talking to Mars. |
| 19:35.01 | foxlit | I bet mars supports no unlimited texting plans. |
| 19:35.02 | kdtresh | it would cost something like $28k to send an mp3 at the text message rate |
| 19:35.10 | smcn | my mom just got an unlimited texting plan so i'm getting 5-10 from her a day :P |
| 19:35.31 | smcn | (okay an exaggeration, it's more like 2-3 but it's still more than 0 :P) |
| 19:35.34 | Dagmar | At least you'll be able to drive home from the surgery, maybe |
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| 19:36.10 | Dagmar | jesus I hsould know better than to look up things that have surgical solutions online |
| 19:36.13 | Lopeppeppy | Dagmar: Yeah, that's about it. I was hoping someone had personal experience of it, I really hate trying to convince doctors that I know what's wrong. |
| 19:36.18 | Dagmar | I just got treated to a view of the inside of someone's hand |
| 19:36.31 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: what do they think it is: |
| 19:36.32 | Lopeppeppy | Been there, saw that. :P |
| 19:36.46 | Dagmar | I'm fighting the urge to hide my hands under my armpits now |
| 19:36.58 | Thunder_Child | ya, cuse thats a safe place |
| 19:36.58 | Lopeppeppy | Dagmar, haven't taken it to my GP yet. I only JUST saw him last week for something else, and 2 weeks before for something other-else... I'm a basket case this fall. |
| 19:37.08 | Dagmar | You wouldn't be the first person to have to take information to a doctor |
| 19:37.28 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: "trigger thumb" sounds like a male condition related to excessive porn |
| 19:37.38 | Dagmar | Remember, not too long ago Patrick Volkerding pretty much had to start toting a binder of stuff around to doctors to get someone to realize he needed big heaping doses of Cipro |
| 19:37.41 | Shirik | does haste improve GCD? |
| 19:37.50 | Dagmar | Shirik: For everyone but Hunters |
| 19:37.59 | kdtresh | to a minimum of 1 second? |
| 19:38.12 | Lopeppeppy | Who is Patrick Volkerding? And why does he need Cipro? |
| 19:38.21 | Dagmar | He's the guy who does Slackware. |
| 19:38.39 | Dagmar | He had some bacterial infection which had some weird symptoms, like coughing up little balls of sulfur. |
| 19:38.44 | Slafsinator | Shirik: it reduces the GCD of spells |
| 19:38.47 | Dagmar | It was going to eventually kill him |
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| 19:39.19 | Lopeppeppy | Eeew, poor guy. |
| 19:39.19 | Dagmar | He pretty much had to seriously cut back how much work he did on Slackware for several months while he got it sorted out |
| 19:39.34 | Dagmar | I was mainly worried he wasn't going to find a doctor that would agree |
| 19:39.45 | Dagmar | Normally, a layman isn't someone a doctor is going to take a diagnosis from |
| 19:39.52 | Dagmar | ...except Slackware users are a little different. Hehe |
| 19:39.53 | zenzelezz | and whatever the rumors say, his condition was not a result of a lack of a dependency-tracking package management system |
| 19:40.00 | Dagmar | lol |
| 19:40.07 | Dagmar | rofl |
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| 19:40.52 | Dagmar | If he'd come to Vanderbilt I would have gone to the medical center to explain why PV was "a special case" |
| 19:40.53 | Dagmar | Doctors don't expect that normal people will spend THAT much time figuring out a problem |
| 19:41.01 | Dagmar | s/normal/sane/; |
| 19:41.11 | Lopeppeppy | Dude.. if I'm that sick, why **wouldn't** I spend time figuring it out? |
| 19:41.15 | zenzelezz | Dagmar: :) |
| 19:41.23 | Dagmar | Most people will dig up "an answer" and go with it |
| 19:41.26 | industrial | Does anyone know how I can turn off the top bar in fullscreenmode in vmware player? I cant seem to interact with it (the client os mouse keeps clicking and I see 2 mouses move) |
| 19:41.36 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: I think you may have to be a bit more familiar with Slackware to fully understand what Dagmar's saying |
| 19:41.38 | industrial | so I can't see what the pin icon does |
| 19:41.41 | Dagmar | People like PV don't stop digging until they're reasonably sure they've considered _every_ possible problem case, and solution |
| 19:41.58 | Dagmar | Disturbing, obsessive levels of problem solving |
| 19:42.34 | Dagmar | If some guy in Lithuania had had his same problem, he'd have known about it |
| 19:42.36 | zenzelezz | reminds me of someone's comment about Enlightenment |
| 19:42.44 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: I can see that |
| 19:42.49 | zenzelezz | "rasterman needs to stop fixing X and finish E17" |
| 19:43.00 | nevcairiel | e18 will be out before e17 |
| 19:43.02 | zenzelezz | (not verbatim, but something to that effect) |
| 19:43.08 | Dagmar | Well, in his defense, X was where the problems were that were slowing E17 |
| 19:43.17 | Dagmar | Like the lack of a decent compositor |
| 19:43.19 | Thunder_Child | industrial, i'm not sure you can |
| 19:43.51 | nevcairiel | e17 has been in the works since.. for ever, i remember reading about e17 a long time ago when i setup my first desktop with linux |
| 19:44.14 | nicoli_s | i thought e17 was a type of forum software |
| 19:44.35 | industrial | Thunder_Child: how anoying, it's taking up way too much space |
| 19:44.42 | nevcairiel | e17 is a window manager / desktop environment |
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| 19:44.54 | industrial | wtf do i need it for if I know ctrl+alt pops me out of it |
| 19:45.14 | industrial | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:10.35 | msoul | two hours on freya |
| 20:10.37 | msoul | pathetic |
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| 20:15.43 | kneeki | msoul: freya hard mode? |
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| 20:32.22 | industrial | Fisker: I made a dwarf female dk with the ugliest face ever with face piercings named Mymilkshake. |
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| 20:37.53 | msoul | kneeki: no normal mode |
| 20:37.58 | msoul | ppl donƤ't know what to do |
| 20:38.07 | msoul | two got kicked outta the guild |
| 20:39.49 | msoul | i had to get ancient to low then move to the other one |
| 20:39.51 | Lunessa | industrial: Most of the time, I worry that what's inside your head is going to infect the rest of us. |
| 20:41.04 | industrial | Lunessa: you cannot see the humour in that? |
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| 20:43.19 | Lunessa | Oh, I can see it. That's what frightens me. |
| 20:48.56 | Kraps | im playing CO really badlly |
| 20:50.57 | msoul | my friend is playing on a trial version, he cannot be using addons can he? |
| 20:51.45 | Dagmar | Why would the trial client not be able to use addons? |
| 20:52.30 | msoul | the last time i installed few addons it keep kick him outta the game the minute he load the game |
| 20:54.52 | Lunessa | The trial client can't use AddOns. It's a "feature" |
| 20:54.55 | Aquavette2k1 | If you use the version that downloads as you go |
| 20:55.12 | Aquavette2k1 | I know there is a wow copy that downloads only parts of the content, it "streams" content |
| 20:56.24 | Lunessa | That's the "trial" client. The downloaded on from the accounts page can. |
| 20:57.48 | Aquavette2k1 | [msoul] my friend is playing on a trial version, he cannot be using addons can he? |
| 20:57.50 | Lunessa | http://greedygoblin.blogspot.com/2009/08/ungeared.html |
| 20:58.55 | industrial | Lunessa: I'm going to check out pvp leveling with it :) |
| 20:59.11 | industrial | tried it on a level 15 rogue got 200 xp for a wsg match |
| 20:59.13 | industrial | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:02.42 | Amarande | hmm. |
| 21:03.06 | Amarande | are Broker Location and Cartographer inaccurate, or did they actually change the level of Violet Hold from 75-77 to being a level 80 dungeon on normal in 3.2? |
| 21:04.55 | Amarande | also: I'm assuming that in the Oculus in 3.2, the ilvl of one's Tabard and Shirt are disregarded when determining dragon strength? |
| 21:06.01 | Amarande | Or do you actually get a slight advantage on your Oculus dragon if you get the 2450 rating epic tabard and wear the Master Builder's Shirt from BRD? :) |
| 21:13.00 | msoul | Vh is still vh nothing has changed with the patch |
| 21:13.15 | msoul | i did boost a friend of mine there |
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| 21:15.45 | Amarande | msoul: addons are reporting it as being level 80, rather than 75-77 |
| 21:15.52 | Amarande | granted, pretty much no one does it on anything but heroic anyway |
| 21:15.58 | Amarande | but then, that's the case for pretty much every WotLK dungeon |
| 21:16.02 | msoul | Amarande: ohh i see |
| 21:16.11 | Amarande | I'm pretty sure the only one people really bother to do on the way up is Nexus heh |
| 21:16.37 | Amarande | and that's just because the quest stuff is too kickass to ignore, pretty much |
| 21:16.49 | msoul | all dungeons are fun except oculus it is easy but ig you play with pugs you'll leave after the 4th wipe |
| 21:17.03 | Amarande | yeah, I'm thinking if I want to go for the cloak from heroic Occy |
| 21:17.11 | Amarande | right now I'm using the ilvl 187 one from Kirin Tor rep |
| 21:17.30 | msoul | dps cloak? |
| 21:17.45 | msoul | what class though |
| 21:17.50 | Amarande | it's a pretty nondescript spellpower cloak |
| 21:17.52 | Amarande | aff lock |
| 21:18.02 | Amarande | http://www.wowhead.com/?profile=us.turalyon.alvaerin |
| 21:18.18 | Amarande | actually, I don't think the one from occy has haste so maybe I'll pass |
| 21:18.23 | Amarande | although haste really isn't *that* great for aff |
| 21:18.36 | Amarande | faster haunt and SB, but it doesn't really help the dots much at all |
| 21:19.14 | msoul | i think tailorers can make you one... they could make the dps and tanking one |
| 21:19.20 | msoul | atleast |
| 21:20.02 | Amarande | I suspect the problem with Oculus is the whole drake thing |
| 21:20.45 | Amarande | which pretty much means, you could be a nihilum caliber raider and be plowing through trial of the crusader like it's hogger |
| 21:20.49 | msoul | yeah it is |
| 21:20.54 | Amarande | and still utterly fail at oculus due to all the gimmicky stuff :) |
| 21:21.07 | msoul | for smooth run get 2 healers 2 dps and one tank "drakes |
| 21:21.28 | foxlit | For a smooth run, get a competent healer and tank :) |
| 21:21.29 | Amarande | hell I'm pretty good at instances and such and I still keep tripping up on quests like betrayal and the storm king's vengeance in ZD |
| 21:21.44 | foxlit | (drake riders, that is) |
| 21:21.47 | Amarande | hmm |
| 21:22.06 | Amarande | for storm king's vengeance, I'm assuming you can't get around the vehicle use by getting a 5-man group and killing Thrym on the road :| |
| 21:22.31 | msoul | Amarande: my gear went to red that day when i did that quest in ZD |
| 21:22.42 | msoul | i didn't want to wowhead ther quest for some odd reason |
| 21:22.52 | msoul | the one you have to control the pet and walk in circle |
| 21:23.28 | Amarande | yeah, every time I pass ZD now I pretty much fly over voltarus and hope someone else is doing it so I can loot their skull heh |
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| 21:23.40 | Amarande | since apparently, anyone can loot the skull once it's there until it despawns |
| 21:23.43 | Amarande | and then you save all the damned trouble :P |
| 21:24.00 | Amarande | it's like that old phylactery quest in wpl pretty much |
| 21:24.41 | foxlit | None of those quests are actually difficult :( |
| 21:24.54 | kd3 | ^ |
| 21:25.16 | Amarande | fox: I always seem to have issues in RPGs in general with excessively gimmicky quests |
| 21:25.28 | Amarande | particularly ones where you HAVE to use the gimmick, and can't rely on attack power |
| 21:25.47 | Amarande | usually in my gaming career, I tend to have made myself overpower bosses enough that I didn't need to use the gimmicky stuff |
| 21:25.55 | foxlit | You know, the gimmick happens to be pushing the two buttons when they come off a cooldown, and not standing in crap. |
| 21:26.18 | Amarande | e.g., FFX, instead of using Tidus to Talk to lower you know who's overdrive, I'd just grind everyone up to 6500+ HP so even his best attack isn't good enough :) |
| 21:26.28 | foxlit | [Okay, not stricly true -- you also have to click the quest item when your mob gets low on health] |
| 21:26.50 | Amarande | fox: the gimmick is also that it's apparently just *not* possible to do it with one big elite troll |
| 21:27.02 | Amarande | and then you need luck when it comes to getting a second one without dying |
| 21:27.14 | foxlit | Eh. |
| 21:27.31 | foxlit | Your mob is low on health -> you point your controlling rod at some other mob -> cake. |
| 21:27.38 | Amarande | hmm, I thought that didn't work right? |
| 21:27.48 | foxlit | Worked fine the three times I've done it. |
| 21:27.57 | kd3 | if part of the encounter is switching mobs... it tends to work ok |
| 21:28.04 | Amarande | if I remember, it used to be at least that if you tried that, a large amount of the time your first mob would reset and become hostile, and then you'd have to fight Drakuru AND A FULL HEALTH ANGRY TROLL at the same time |
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| 21:28.09 | Amarande | and then of course you were a dead duck :) |
| 21:28.31 | foxlit | Has never happened to me; make that four times, including the beta. |
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| 21:29.23 | Amarande | as for Storm King's Vengeance, the problem there is I never manage to have enough health left during the part where you have to fight two bosses back to back to make it through Thrym to finish it |
| 21:29.47 | kd3 | go find one of the health things? |
| 21:29.59 | kd3 | they're every 30 feet or so |
| 21:30.14 | Amarande | either the first guy forces me to use the health pickup too soon, or Thrym ends up not being near enough to the health pickup for me to be able to get it when I need it |
| 21:30.19 | Amarande | did they add more than there used to be? |
| 21:30.30 | Amarande | I remember there were only like 1 or 2 in the whole area last time I tried |
| 21:30.48 | Amarande | and then you take too much damage trying to get over to it when you need it |
| 21:31.06 | Amarande | also, back in 3.0.x (which is when I last tried it) there seemed to have been a lot of reported issues with difficulty getting picking up the health to work right |
| 21:31.40 | foxlit | The only real issue with Thrym is that it's not immediately clear what abilities are actually effective. |
| 21:31.41 | Amarande | Since 3.2, I haven't even touched Zul'Drak other than to finish Tails Up and to farm chilled meat |
| 21:32.17 | Amarande | foxlit: it's also easy to be in need of health after the previous guy, or to be in need of health against Thrym and have had the previous guy force you to already grab the health thing that was near enough |
| 21:32.23 | Amarande | so you take too much damage going after the next closest one |
| 21:32.45 | Amarande | and really, that's probably my biggest issue with most of the vehicle quests |
| 21:32.50 | Amarande | I play as a warlock, then demo, now aff |
| 21:32.59 | kd3 | yay, a free 100g |
| 21:33.02 | kd3 | <3 fishing quests |
| 21:33.16 | Amarande | so ... as demo, I was very used to having a felguard tank to keep the damage off me, and if I needed HP back there was always drain life anyway |
| 21:33.35 | Amarande | as aff, I'm used to the consistent healing from fel armor, siphon life and haunt |
| 21:34.09 | kd3 | heh, whoops. flew through wintergrasp on a flightpath while it was in progress. I'm still a recruit even though I'm in stormpeaks now |
| 21:34.27 | Amarande | thus, a problem I have with most of these gimmicky quests is that I'm not at all used to the "you have to just take it like a man and hope attrition favors you" policy most of them have (because you are forced to use a vehicle that has little or no self healing capability and of course nothing to tank for it) |
| 21:35.00 | foxlit | "I'm not used to worrying about my health" |
| 21:35.23 | Amarande | foxlit: "I'm used to actually having several efficient means of being able to do something about my health if it becomes a problem" |
| 21:35.24 | foxlit | "Or the health of others" :) |
| 21:35.44 | kd3 | <-- mage; never has problems with vehicle quests |
| 21:35.47 | foxlit | Well, the only thing to say really is l2adapt. |
| 21:35.51 | kd3 | my health recovery options are running away or dying |
| 21:35.56 | Amarande | Your Drakuru Troll can't heal at all. The giant for the Storm King's quest can only heal with those health pickup things. |
| 21:36.18 | Amarande | kd3: yeah, I was about to say, those quests' difficulty may probably vary A LOT depending on what class the player's main is |
| 21:36.26 | foxlit | The only one worth complaining over is Dr. Terrible :) |
| 21:36.42 | kd3 | ugh. I see the reason why people complain about it but it wasn't hard to figure out |
| 21:36.46 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: those quests difficulty varies by player skill, not player class. be better. |
| 21:36.47 | Amarande | I expect that people who main Paladins, Druids, Priests, and Locks probably have a MUCH harder time in general with vehicle quests, than ones who play say Mages, Warriors, or Rogues. |
| 21:37.02 | Amarande | Night: Different classes result in the development of different player skills. |
| 21:37.16 | tardmrr | lololol I just did 2.1k single target dps at 78 |
| 21:37.21 | tardmrr | nerf feral |
| 21:37.28 | foxlit | I'm not sure healers are as helpless as you think :) |
| 21:37.32 | Amarande | In this case, the skills developed by being a can't heal, can't really self mitigate class like a mage, tend to pan out better than the ones you get by being a "keep your health up by use of your skills" class like a Pally, Druid, Priest, or Lock. |
| 21:37.46 | Amarande | foxlit: nah, not saying that |
| 21:37.50 | Lunessa | I had trouble with only one of the "vehicle" quests - and that's the one in Vallhalas because the mechanics of the fight weren't clear to me at first. |
| 21:38.01 | Amarande | I'm saying healers might have a harder time with vehicle quests because healers are used to being able to keep themselves healed via the use of their skills |
| 21:38.05 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: not really, no. |
| 21:38.19 | Amarande | while, like I said, most of the vehicle quests give you little or no means of healing, and thus all you can do is hope to outdps and outlast the boss |
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| 21:39.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: people who can't learn and adapt to new situations have problems with those quests. It has NOTHING to do with what class they play |
| 21:39.14 | foxlit | Lunessa: the flesh giant thing? |
| 21:39.19 | Amarande | Night: of course. |
| 21:39.27 | Amarande | I'm saying that people who main certain classes probably have less adaptation to do, though. |
| 21:39.28 | Lunessa | foxlit: Yeah, that one. |
| 21:39.41 | alestane | The trick with that one is that you can't move. |
| 21:39.44 | NightHawkTheSane | thats a poor and incorrect generalization |
| 21:39.45 | kd3 | it's just a function of not being stuck in the mud and learning how to do something else |
| 21:39.48 | foxlit | It's a bit merciless, yes. |
| 21:39.56 | kd3 | if you can adapt to different mechanics, nothing's too difficult |
| 21:39.56 | Lunessa | Once I discovered how the knockback/attack thing worked, and got used to targeting with the mouse - it was easy. |
| 21:40.03 | Amarande | Because maining a particular class gets you heavily into a certain playstyle groove, which in turn directly affects which situations you're best and worst suited to. |
| 21:40.17 | kd3 | if you can't play a different class at the drop of a hat; there are going to be issues |
| 21:40.26 | foxlit | Lunessa: I think the actual strategy is to spam knockback as much as possible. I'm not sure whether any other attacks kill more than one or two mobs. |
| 21:40.31 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: thats more or less life though |
| 21:40.38 | kd3 | ya |
| 21:40.50 | Lunessa | foxlit: Knockback + timing the grab/attack on the Dr. |
| 21:40.52 | Amarande | A mage or warrior, for instance, probably does learn things in the best way to do vehicle quests, because being a mage or warrior is ALL ABOUT killing the mob before it kills you, since other than a potion you really don't have any healing. |
| 21:40.57 | NightHawkTheSane | wow is just an extension of that |
| 21:41.15 | NightHawkTheSane | People who can't adapt make poor players who might manage to shine in -one- role that matches their pre-existing skillset |
| 21:41.24 | Amarande | A paladin or warlock, on the other hand, has a lot more learning to do in vehicle quests, because they are by definition used to having mitigation and healing resources that they no longer have in the vehicle. |
| 21:41.27 | foxlit | Lunessa: Sounds about right. |
| 21:41.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: you have cause and effect reversed. The class does not shape the player. |
| 21:42.14 | Lunessa | To address the issue of adaptability - Spend some time playing a few other character - it doesn't take long and you don't have to become "pro |
| 21:42.29 | Lunessa | You'll learn yo be better at adapting. |
| 21:42.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: precisely. just the ability to be able to make that switch without difficulty is usually enough |
| 21:42.56 | Amarande | Indeed, perhaps the "attrition race" that vehicle quests are, is probably my weakest link in WoW skills. |
| 21:43.03 | Amarande | I'm looking at for instance the classes that my characters are. |
| 21:43.23 | Amarande | I have a warlock (main), a priest, a druid, a warrior, and a hunter. (And a mage, but she's a bank alt and not actively played.) |
| 21:43.42 | Amarande | The warrior is my lowest level character, and the one that I by far have played the least. |
| 21:43.59 | Amarande | ALL of the other 4 classes, as you can tell, have either a pet or healing capabilities or (warlock) both. |
| 21:44.25 | Amarande | Yeah, I'm probably specifically deficient then, at the "get them first and quickly" skills that vehicle quests use. |
| 21:44.44 | Amarande | (Come to think of it, if I was better at such skills, maybe I'd do more DPS, too ...) |
| 21:45.15 | Lunessa | Main: Shaman, alts: priest (holy/disc 2nd spec Shadow for solo-lawlz), Warlock, Mage, 2 other shaman, druid, paladin, rogue, and DK. I'm pretty flexible. I've played every class the game has to ffer to at least 40. |
| 21:45.23 | Amarande | It's probably also a matter of reaction time. I'm not very quick. |
| 21:45.38 | alestane | As a warlock, you're accustomed to being in fights for the long haul, that's my experience. Demonology in particular makes it easy to get through any fight is you can make it slow enough. |
| 21:45.41 | Amarande | Quick enough to do a reasonable job, but probably not quick enough to be say Fusion caliber. |
| 21:45.59 | Amarande | alestane: Yeah. That's probably why I have issues with the vehicles. |
| 21:46.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Hm.. the only class i haven't played to 70+ are warlock and priest... |
| 21:46.06 | Amarande | I played most of WotLK as Demo. |
| 21:46.26 | Amarande | And even as aff, you get through long haul fights pretty easily between Corruption and Haunt |
| 21:46.38 | NightHawkTheSane | classes* |
| 21:46.42 | Amarande | Destro is probably the only lock spec that has difficulty lasting |
| 21:46.51 | Lunessa | Heh.. I used to farm the elemental plateau in TBC on my demo lock - I'd lock up and entire section doing many long fights all at once. |
| 21:46.59 | alestane | I don't think very well at burst DPS, although rather than thinking that it's because I'm used to playing warlock, I think I prefer warlock because I don't think in terms of burst. |
| 21:47.25 | kneeki | alestane: Locks have quite a bit of burst, esp. if talented for it |
| 21:47.30 | kneeki | at least now adays |
| 21:47.30 | NightHawkTheSane | burst is a very weird concept in wow, though |
| 21:47.32 | Amarande | kneeki: we call that destro spec |
| 21:47.38 | kneeki | Amarande: /nod |
| 21:47.42 | Amarande | which I don't do |
| 21:47.48 | kneeki | Ah |
| 21:47.49 | alestane | My rogue, I have to change gears mentally, but in some ways the fact that he's completely built around combo point output helps. |
| 21:47.52 | Amarande | chiefly, because if I wanted to spec destro, I would probably have rolled a mage |
| 21:47.59 | NightHawkTheSane | outside of pvp, it's of almost no real value |
| 21:47.59 | NightHawkTheSane | except when its used as a gimmick |
| 21:48.15 | Amarande | Night: yeah, we're probably like night and day then in gaming style |
| 21:48.23 | Amarande | given that by far, my highest level characters are ... warlock and priest :) |
| 21:48.46 | Amarande | although my priest hasn't reached 70 either |
| 21:48.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Amarande: nah. The only reason I haven't leveled a warlock and priest is that I haven't gotten around to it yet. ;) |
| 21:48.59 | Amarande | Basically, with my priest, I got to my early 60s during BC |
| 21:49.08 | Amarande | and then I figured, with all the socketed gear that was going to start going around in BC |
| 21:49.18 | Amarande | I probably should roll a JC so I don't have to depend so much on the AH |
| 21:49.23 | NightHawkTheSane | I just put a -lot- of value in versatility, variety, and adaptability. I like being able to do everything, or anything. |
| 21:49.31 | Amarande | so I rolled a lock to do that, and hardly ever get around to leveling my priest anymore :) |
| 21:50.18 | Amarande | so the priest is still level 63, and the only character I've managed to even get into the 20s since then is my druid |
| 21:50.46 | Amarande | simply because there's a limit of how long I can play particular classes before I end up feeling drawn back to my warlock |
| 21:50.51 | Amarande | I did like playing a Paladin though. |
| 21:51.05 | Amarande | Especially prot. But there's that mentality that doesn't translate well to vehicle quest skills again. |
| 21:51.31 | Amarande | I played a prot paladin precisely because I enjoyed having a lot of mitigation (and self heals for when that isn't enough) in addition to reasonable solo damage dealing capability. |
| 21:51.41 | Amarande | In fact, this probably extends to my RPG playing in general. |
| 21:52.06 | Amarande | A very chief strategy of mine is generally to arrange things to as much as possible leave the enemies biting on granite, allowing me to worry less and be able to take my time taking them down. |
| 21:52.19 | Amarande | It doesn't work with vehicles, and thus a weakness is exposed. |
| 21:52.47 | NightHawkTheSane | except the weakness is merely your inability to adapt, not something inherent in the system. |
| 21:52.48 | Amarande | My brother, on the other hand, if he played WoW (which he doesn't, because he thinks this game sucks) probably would have a pretty easy time of it with vehicles. |
| 21:53.23 | Amarande | because his inherent style is FPS/action game ish, he likes games like DMC and Ninja Gaiden, and when he plays RPGs he tends to go through as quickly as possible rather than taking time to power up and increase defense like I do. |
| 21:53.57 | Amarande | (Of course, his cardinal weakness is boss battles, because he always arrives at them way underpowered and thus takes 5-10 tries to beat each.) |
| 21:54.12 | ZorbaTHut | I do that because I want a challenge in my boss battles ;) |
| 21:54.28 | Amarande | Zorba: I suspect in my case a large part of it had to do with the particular RPG series I chose |
| 21:54.39 | ZorbaTHut | which series? |
| 21:54.47 | kdtresh | hello kitty island adventure? |
| 21:54.50 | Amarande | For instance, Shin Megami Tensei, where either you make SURE your party is well protected against bosses' attacks or they will very simply just rip you a new one. |
| 21:54.58 | ZorbaTHut | ah, I haven't played that one |
| 21:55.15 | Amarande | Pretty much in SMT, you either ARE resistant or immune to most of the attacks bosses use, or you're just dead. It's really unforgiving. :) |
| 21:55.26 | NightHawkTheSane | kdtresh: I totally have a dvd for Hello Kitty Online on the desk behind me. ;) |
| 21:55.37 | kdtresh | heh |
| 21:55.42 | Amarande | Or ones like Shadow Hearts, where most bosses rely very heavily on a specific status attack per battle. If you're protected, you'll do really well. If not, you're probably going to end up critter chow. |
| 21:56.02 | NightHawkTheSane | it was thrust into my hands while i was wandering by the booth at PAX, i didn't have the heart to say no :( |
| 21:56.42 | nicoli_s | send it here |
| 21:56.50 | nicoli_s | itll look good next to my copy of ffxi ill never play |
| 21:56.55 | Amarande | ew, FFXI |
| 21:57.03 | Amarande | I tried that for a very short time and it wasn't my thing |
| 21:57.11 | Amarande | it's just at the wrong end of the MMO continuum for me. |
| 21:57.18 | NightHawkTheSane | i also snagged a copy of lotro, which i installed and tried to play |
| 21:57.19 | nicoli_s | i got it for free, i doubt ill ever even open the box |
| 21:57.24 | NightHawkTheSane | seemed nice for the 2m it would run before freezing. |
| 21:57.33 | Amarande | actually, I have a term now that I call the FFXI-WoW Continuum, and use it as a measurement for the importance of grouping in MMOs |
| 21:57.50 | nicoli_s | lotro is alright |
| 21:57.58 | Amarande | At the one end you have WoW, where almost all the content except for some high end or specific difficult content is soloable. |
| 21:57.58 | nicoli_s | never really clicked for me |
| 21:58.20 | kdtresh | i played ffxi for a long time |
| 21:58.31 | Amarande | At the other end you have FFXI, where almost all the content beyond level 20 requires a full six-man balanced group to do at all, unless you're a pet class, in which case you are imba enough to solo everything with care. |
| 21:58.49 | kdtresh | that was my main complaint |
| 21:58.55 | Amarande | well, not quite everything, but much more towards the WoW end of things. |
| 21:58.59 | kdtresh | above level 10 is unsoloable except for a couple classes |
| 21:59.00 | tardmrr | Shirik, btw, after I did my reinstall a while back, I couldn't reproduce that issue with minion |
| 21:59.13 | Shirik | ok tardmrr |
| 21:59.24 | Amarande | I've heard it's more like 20 when it starts really being a problem, but maybe they've changed it before or since you or I played |
| 21:59.25 | Shirik | I just had to close it because I couldn't mkae any headway and it was sitting in myinbox |
| 21:59.42 | Amarande | Basically, from what I gather, just about every generic world mob in FFXI is what we WoW folks would call Elite. |
| 22:00.17 | kdtresh | well, not really |
| 22:00.25 | kdtresh | but the way they did levels, it was all relative |
| 22:00.29 | Amarande | Before I went back to WoW, I considered LOTRO, but I was unable to place it on the soloability continuum, so I never got around to it |
| 22:00.37 | Amarande | and then my friends missed me and I missed my friends, so I went back to WoW. :) |
| 22:00.52 | kdtresh | so you look at a mob and it's either impossibly hard, very hard, hard, medium, easy, or too easy to be worthwhile |
| 22:00.54 | Arrowmaster | elite just means it takes me a little longer to solo... |
| 22:01.03 | Amarande | Arrow: lock? :) |
| 22:01.09 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 22:01.26 | kdtresh | too easy to be worthwhile = no exp for the kill |
| 22:01.47 | kdtresh | at about level 10, anything other than "too easy to be worthwhile" will kill you |
| 22:02.19 | Amarande | kdtresh: and the pet classes are op :) |
| 22:03.53 | kdtresh | yes, but nobody wants a beastmaster in the group because their pet will lower exp for everyone else in the group |
| 22:04.44 | Amarande | ahh, the good old failure to balance things properly based on pets thing :) |
| 22:04.48 | Amarande | I remember that well in Neverwinter Nights |
| 22:04.59 | Amarande | the first two rules of exp in NWN were pretty simple as I recall |
| 22:05.03 | zenzelezz | Here comes halfling death! |
| 22:05.15 | Amarande | 1) never, ever use your mage's familiar |
| 22:05.21 | Amarande | 2) always, always cast animate dead whenever you can |
| 22:06.16 | Arrowmaster | NWN had much worse balance issues than that |
| 22:06.30 | Arrowmaster | make a ranger and pick humans as your first favored enemy |
| 22:06.36 | Amarande | animate dead basically inflated your exp insanely |
| 22:06.40 | nicoli_s | the familiar was the one who if it died, it hurt your stats right? |
| 22:06.52 | Amarande | nicoli: yeah |
| 22:06.59 | Amarande | although I think in NWN1 you just took some damage |
| 22:07.10 | nicoli_s | i havent played NWN in ages |
| 22:07.23 | nicoli_s | i tried to go back and play baldurs gate not too long ago, but it just lags too much on modern comps |
| 22:07.23 | Amarande | but that was not the reason to not use your familiar |
| 22:07.30 | nicoli_s | baldurs gate 2 |
| 22:07.34 | Amarande | the reason was pretty simple |
| 22:07.44 | Amarande | pets/familiars and summoned creatures, all counted as party members for purposes of EXP |
| 22:07.56 | Amarande | they didn't actually gain any xp, but a share was set aside for them anyway |
| 22:08.19 | Amarande | and they also, most importantly, counted towards the average party level for purposes of determining the relative monster challenge for experience purposes |
| 22:08.23 | Amarande | now, this is why you wanted to use animate dead |
| 22:08.28 | Arrowmaster | i broke baldurs gate 2 on xbox |
| 22:08.36 | Amarande | the skeleton chieftain you got, was really powerful and useful pretty much up till the end of the game |
| 22:08.43 | Amarande | but it was also only level 7, and you had to be level 10 at least to get a chieftain |
| 22:09.04 | Amarande | so it would ALWAYS depress the party level more than enough to make up for the extra party member and result in you getting tons of extra exp compared to if you didn't summon it |
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| 22:09.59 | Amarande | e.g. say you're level 19, and alone ... summon the skeleton, and you get xp as a party of two level 13's |
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| 22:10.35 | kdtresh | sounds like friday night in high school |
| 22:19.46 | Amarande | "As you slaughter Scourge in Scourgeholme, gather up the Scourgestones ..." |
| 22:19.55 | Amarande | Aww, can't you just take the ones I have left over from the Plaguelands campaign? :) |
| 22:20.30 | alestane | Those scourgestones are too wussy. |
| 22:21.28 | Amarande | Also, I wonder if the Shandaral Warrior Spirits are really as nasty with their shield bash as wowhead suggests |
| 22:21.35 | Amarande | if they are, I'm not looking forward to questing icecrown on my priest :| |
| 22:21.46 | Zyn | oh god |
| 22:21.48 | Zyn | http://havenworks.com/ , INTERNETS |
| 22:21.53 | alestane | Penny Arcade shirt: "Save a raid; Hug the wall" |
| 22:22.04 | kneeki | Zyn: GAH! |
| 22:22.07 | Amarande | apparently, WoWhead posters indicate that those guys' shield bash has a CD shorter than its interrupt effect. |
| 22:22.26 | Amarande | Which means you cast a spell on them, get bashed, get your spells put on CD, try to use your secondary school spell and before you know it those are on CD, too. |
| 22:22.37 | NightHawkTheSane | they're fine, stop being so whiny |
| 22:22.45 | foxlit | Amarande: They don't bash as soon as the CD is up. |
| 22:23.00 | Amarande | maybe I just hate shield bash |
| 22:23.14 | Amarande | actually, I was irritated at them because until I looked at the wowhead picture, I couldn't even tell for sure if they actually had shields |
| 22:23.35 | Amarande | and a pet peeve of mine in WoW has been that there's at least a few warrior mobs who know shield bash somehow, yet I don't see them carrying anything resembling a shield ... cheaters heh |
| 22:23.57 | NightHawkTheSane | so pretend it's kick, or counterspell, and get over it. |
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| 22:27.57 | Arrowmaster | Zyn: WHAT THE FUCK |
| 22:28.38 | Zyn | marvelous |
| 22:29.08 | spode | holy |
| 22:32.52 | Amarande | hm. |
| 22:32.56 | Amarande | also on the topic of icecrown |
| 22:33.01 | Amarande | how hard is it usually to find groups for the group quests now? |
| 22:33.18 | Amarande | I'm thinking mainly as in ... how many of them are ones that most people can't help with because they're probably already phased past it kinda thing |
| 22:33.21 | mikma | http://matin.maapallo.org/site.pl/selain/?c=ctrlaltdel&i=1340 |
| 22:33.44 | Amarande | since I know a lot of icecrown mobs disappear due to phasing after you finish certain quests |
| 22:33.50 | mikma | hahaha! http://matin.maapallo.org/site.pl/selain/?c=wulff&i=1366 |
| 22:34.22 | jnwhiteh | so on my website |
| 22:34.27 | jnwhiteh | should I automatically use http:// for login |
| 22:34.32 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 22:34.33 | jnwhiteh | https |
| 22:34.36 | jnwhiteh | or make it an option |
| 22:34.39 | jnwhiteh | considering I havea self signed cert. |
| 22:34.48 | mikma | yes. you should do that. |
| 22:35.14 | jnwhiteh | won't it freak people out with the self signed cert warning? |
| 22:35.34 | Arrowmaster | probably |
| 22:35.41 | jnwhiteh | stupid peoples. |
| 22:35.42 | mikma | i have no idea, but sounds cool |
| 22:35.45 | jnwhiteh | without them problems are so much easier! |
| 22:35.47 | Arrowmaster | you could use cacert but most people will get warnings too |
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| 22:36.57 | Shadowed | I wish I could beat it into peoples heads |
| 22:37.07 | Shadowed | that they do not need Blizzard to add every little feature and that addons are fine :< |
| 22:37.18 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: cacert? |
| 22:37.27 | Arrowmaster | cacert.org |
| 22:37.35 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 22:37.41 | jnwhiteh | yeah i'd prefer that to a self signed cert |
| 22:37.48 | Amarande | Shadowed: indeed |
| 22:38.01 | Amarande | especially since a lot of the time when blizzard adds the feature themselves, addons people are used to end up breaking horribly |
| 22:38.14 | Arrowmaster | the cacert CA isnt included in most browsers or operating systems though |
| 22:38.14 | Amarande | like libRock |
| 22:38.17 | Amarande | granted, it was a piece of shit |
| 22:38.26 | Amarande | but a lot of folks had to redo their UI entirely after 3.2 because of it :) |
| 22:38.32 | Shadowed | sucks to be them |
| 22:38.51 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: why did they have to redo their ui? |
| 22:39.09 | kd3 | ^ |
| 22:39.15 | kd3 | no major changes here |
| 22:39.27 | Amarande | Arrow: because quite a lot of things depended on Rock |
| 22:39.33 | Arrowmaster | not really |
| 22:39.39 | Arrowmaster | and rock didnt break |
| 22:39.39 | kd3 | s/lot of things/ckk's stuff/ |
| 22:39.42 | Amarande | in particular, FuBar users had to move on to Broker and hunt down Broker replacements for all their usual addons due to it |
| 22:40.07 | Stanzilla | fubar isn't broken :/ |
| 22:40.08 | Shadowed | There were a few other addons that use Rock, but yea it was pretty much just ckks stuff |
| 22:40.08 | Amarande | and all but the very most recent cartographer2's fail due to that |
| 22:40.25 | mikma | screw you guys, i'm going... |
| 22:40.27 | Arrowmaster | no is only ckks stuff |
| 22:40.30 | alestane | I'm not sure that was a problem with 3.2 as much as with support for Rock fading out in favor of LDB. |
| 22:40.30 | Arrowmaster | nothing else uses rock |
| 22:40.35 | Amarande | (particularly, there still isn't a non-failing cartographer right now on wowi ... I had to go over to curse and hope they had a current enough one) |
| 22:40.40 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: it was the only phrase I remembered from my holidays in portugal. i also copy/pasted the names of some indigenous languages ;) |
| 22:40.44 | kd3 | ZorbaTHut, is there a way non-QH-using people can be filtered from having to deal with spam in /p from people doing quests? |
| 22:40.48 | Arrowmaster | Amarande: use mapster |
| 22:40.51 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: :P |
| 22:41.04 | Shadowed | alestane: Rock's been dead for a while it just needs a push to finish it off mainly |
| 22:41.12 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: a *little* bit of latin goes a LOOONG way :P |
| 22:41.32 | Amarande | Shadowed: it's already had a push :) |
| 22:41.48 | Shadowed | it needs a shove |
| 22:41.50 | Shadowed | off a cliff |
| 22:41.51 | Arrowmaster | people still use it |
| 22:41.51 | Shadowed | into sharks |
| 22:41.53 | Arrowmaster | a lot of people |
| 22:41.56 | bleeter | kd3: too right. i'm glad it doesn't /raid, imagine WG :/ |
| 22:42.03 | Amarande | when I tried setting up my usual addons the other day after coming back to wow, I noticed everything that used rock provoked a Swatter box |
| 22:42.15 | Amarande | and the FuBar bars didn't even come up at all |
| 22:42.19 | Arrowmaster | because you didnt upgrade the libraries |
| 22:42.22 | kd3 | ^ |
| 22:42.23 | Arrowmaster | theyve been fixed |
| 22:42.28 | Arrowmaster | since before 3.2 |
| 22:42.31 | Amarande | broker seems far more awesome, though. |
| 22:42.45 | Amarande | and thankfully arkinventory isn't broken in combat like I was afraid it was |
| 22:42.47 | Arrowmaster | it is, but still rock isnt broken |
| 22:42.54 | Arrowmaster | arkinventory is broken |
| 22:42.56 | Amarande | one night I found I couldn't open my inventory at all (having arkinventory) during combat :| |
| 22:42.56 | bleeter | crazy idea... has anyone ever used free macro space to 'upload' basic addon settings to the servers, so changing computers isn't quite so painful? |
| 22:42.57 | Arrowmaster | its always broken |
| 22:43.04 | Amarande | but now it doesn't seem to do that problem anymore |
| 22:43.10 | Shadowed | bleeter: Not enough space |
| 22:43.19 | Amarande | maybe I used something that somehow tainted the inventory window at some point :S |
| 22:43.40 | Shadowed | Maybe if you compress it super duper heavily but the amount of free space you have will be horribly varied |
| 22:44.47 | bleeter | Shadowed: not enough space? couldn't one create a faux macro, and it's just compressed kinda data? unpack it and there's the addon's basic settings (ie, simple binary settings of 'on/off' for an addon's options wouldn't be that filling, would they?) |
| 22:45.06 | Shadowed | well |
| 22:45.18 | ZorbaTHut | kd3, I couldn't tell you, QH has nothing to do with the /p spam |
| 22:45.24 | ZorbaTHut | that's some other UI mod entirely |
| 22:45.47 | kd3 | whuh? I had sworn qh was doing that when people say, killed x quest-targeted mobs |
| 22:45.49 | kd3 | looks around |
| 22:46.10 | Shadowed | It just depends on the addon itself, but I'm not sure how much you could compress things like the addons key data |
| 22:46.17 | bleeter | kd3: carbonite? |
| 22:46.18 | Shadowed | I suppose if you had a memo table setup to reduce that too |
| 22:46.33 | ZorbaTHut | nope. the only thing QH ever posts stuff on is the user's chatbox directly, and the UI mod communication channel |
| 22:47.02 | bleeter | Shadowed: the 'idea' came to me as I was jumping between computers and there's a couple of addons that I need to tweak away from defaults by a couple of small settings. |
| 22:47.19 | bleeter | was just a crazy late night thought ;) |
| 22:47.25 | Shadowed | bleeter: Yea you could do it |
| 22:48.06 | bleeter | Shadowed: which got me to thinking, if some addons tried doing it, would blizz permit say... 256chars upload per addon stored server side? just a thought ;) |
| 22:48.18 | bleeter | s/some/enough/ |
| 22:49.54 | bleeter | Shadowed: yeah, a memo table lookup could mean one could do a fair bit in 256 or so chars. as long as there's enough macro space. then again, if there's lots of macro space, use more ... space :) |
| 22:50.23 | alestane | bleeter: the problem with per addon storage is that it's still conceptually unbounded. |
| 22:51.16 | alestane | They'd have to allow something like 1k total shared storage, which would mean that add-ons would be fighting over it. |
| 22:51.45 | bleeter | alestane: some macro-slot saving manager could manage it |
| 22:52.11 | bleeter | oh you mean if it's left to be avail upstream? rightio |
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| 22:54.33 | Shadowed | yea addons fighting would be the main issue probably |
| 22:56.35 | zenzelezz | "This global namespace ain't big enough for the both of us" |
| 22:56.45 | bleeter | haha |
| 22:56.51 | bleeter | ~zenzelezz++ |
| 22:58.09 | bleeter | mmm time to install some more memory |
| 23:10.09 | Amarande | heh, I keep thinking if I should install some more memory myself |
| 23:10.19 | Amarande | mainly whenever I go between WoW and Firefox to consult wowhead |
| 23:10.30 | Amarande | or maybe I need to use a more memory efficient web browser than firefox |
| 23:10.39 | Amarande | how do google chrome and apple safari compare to FF on memory usage? |
| 23:13.44 | Lunessa | This is interesting - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV6aQbnHSRo - Cosmology for n00bs. |
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| 23:22.08 | alestane | Linked off that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6j7mtYXC7o&feature=related |
| 23:23.12 | Mikk | Opera is great for memory usage.. for about an hour |
| 23:23.18 | Mikk | It leaks like a freaking hog :P |
| 23:23.36 | Mikk | uses Opera anyway |
| 23:23.51 | alestane | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/09/13/funny-pictures-this-morning-we-secretly-replaced/ |
| 23:25.29 | Mikk | Actually I might have to take that back. 150 megs now and it's been running for a couple of days. |
| 23:25.36 | Mikk | Maybe they plugged something recently. |
| 23:26.39 | Stanzilla | firefox is the king of memory leaks |
| 23:28.06 | Lunessa | alestane: That would be an awesome prank |
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| 23:30.10 | kd3 | oh ow |
| 23:30.26 | kd3 | I could just imagine |
| 23:30.47 | WobWork | ... hogs leak? |
| 23:30.59 | WobWork | that sounds incredibly messy |
| 23:31.32 | Thunder_Child | add soup to the end, it sounds better |
| 23:31.45 | WobWork | if you're feeding your hogs so much soup they leak it... it could be problematic |
| 23:32.04 | Thunder_Child | i mean a leak soup with hogs |
| 23:32.29 | Thunder_Child | it was a joke....aka leek... |
| 23:32.35 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* nvm |
| 23:36.08 | Amarande | ugh, icecrown's achievement always makes me feel like I'm walking on eggshells |
| 23:36.28 | Amarande | I've read too many tales of people thinking they may have screwed themselves permanently out of it by doing quests in not the exact right order, due to all the phasing |
| 23:37.02 | Amarande | and as I understand it, icecrown and zul'drak are the tightest zone achievements in the wotlk loremaster block |
| 23:37.27 | kd3 | if you don't jump around and follow the flow the quests give you, it's entirely doable |
| 23:37.37 | kd3 | pretty easily |
| 23:38.45 | ZorbaTHut | I'm pretty sure it's not possible to screw yourself permanently out of any of those quests |
| 23:38.50 | kd3 | that too |
| 23:38.53 | ZorbaTHut | at one point you could in zul'drak, and they added another quest so you couldn't |
| 23:40.13 | Amarande | what was the gotcha in zul'drak? |
| 23:40.48 | ZorbaTHut | there's a quest that lets you talk to some scourge NPCs, and a quest you can only do at that point |
| 23:40.48 | ZorbaTHut | if you finish the talk-to-the-scourge quest without finishing the latter quest, you can never go back |
| 23:41.10 | Amarande | ah yes, and there's a type of food that goes towards the X number of food eaten achievement that you can only ever get then too, right? |
| 23:41.48 | Amarande | of course, if you don't miss it, now I *think* you can actually skip both betrayal and the storm king's vengeance and still come to 100 |
| 23:41.58 | Amarande | since I'm at 97/100, and I *think* I can get the achievement if I finish AoA without having to touch those 2 |
| 23:42.32 | Amarande | whereas, naturally, I *can't get the achievement at all* *without* doing AoA ... so I'll probably get to abandon Storm King's after all, in particular :) |
| 23:43.50 | Amarande | btw, are the azeroth loremaster achievements going to be changed much for Cataclysm? |
| 23:43.57 | alestane | No-one's said |
| 23:44.19 | Amarande | also: what becomes of people who log out low level characters in currently 10-25, 20-30 zones that then get changed into 80+ stuff? |
| 23:44.34 | kd3 | free teleport to their home city, most likely |
| 23:44.45 | alestane | That will be an interesting question. I suspect they'll get hearthed or something. |
| 23:44.55 | Amarande | hearthing might not be enough |
| 23:45.00 | theorbtwo | Hm, they aren't doing magical overlay stuff? |
| 23:45.05 | Amarande | some lowish level outposts are going away entirely apparently, like Astranaar and Camp T |
| 23:45.06 | Jerub | given candy and sent to stormwind |
| 23:45.07 | alestane | In fact, I suspect they'll just hearth everyone or send them to their capital. |
| 23:45.25 | Amarande | and am I EVER glad Astranaar is getting nuked |
| 23:45.44 | Amarande | stupid night elf bastards, ripped my poor low level priest a new one when I first got to 20 or so and first went to ashenvale :P |
| 23:45.52 | theorbtwo | Could always hearth unless hearth is also now out of range, and then teleport to home city. |
| 23:46.30 | Amarande | also wonders what the new metals are going to be. :) |
| 23:46.40 | theorbtwo | Sounds like more trouble then it's worth, though. |
| 23:46.54 | Amarande | let's see ... BC gave us fel iron, adamantite, and khorium ... WotLK gave us cobalt, god poo, and titanium ... |
| 23:46.56 | theorbtwo | should read up on this stuff, it sounds vaugely interesting. |
| 23:47.04 | Shadowed | Super Thorium |
| 23:47.06 | Amarande | tries to think what's left among fantasy metals that we haven't seen yet |
| 23:47.07 | Shadowed | Super Irony Iron Ore |
| 23:47.16 | Amarande | heh, Ulduar lore is fun |
| 23:47.24 | Amarande | "Hey Arthas! Your fortress is MADE OF GOD POO!" :) |
| 23:47.30 | theorbtwo | I'm not normally big on spoilers, but WoW seems to almost require them. |
| 23:48.07 | theorbtwo | Tritanium aloy, vibrosteel... |
| 23:48.08 | Amarande | maybe we'll get things like orichalcum this time, heh |
| 23:48.15 | alestane | They haven't said they're raising professions to 525, so there may not be much in the way of new world mats. |
| 23:48.28 | Amarande | I thought it was announced that professions *were* being raised to 525 |
| 23:48.31 | Amarande | at least in the notes on wowwiki |
| 23:48.52 | Amarande | I wonder what they're going to do about skinning, though |
| 23:48.55 | kd3 | "Profession level cap raised to 525 and will be named Illustrious <Profession>. " |
| 23:49.02 | theorbtwo | wonders if they will finally open ironforge airport and old ironforge. |
| 23:49.04 | Amarande | I noted this in the past, that skinning is already getting increasingly out of control |
| 23:49.08 | ZorbaTHut | they might change the skinning formula |
| 23:49.14 | Amarande | theorbtwo: flying mounts in azeroth, I don't think they CAN have no mans land anymore |
| 23:49.22 | kd3 | theorb; the airport, yes. we can fly up there. dunno if they're going to connect it to IF though |
| 23:49.22 | Jerub | Amarande: skinning? |
| 23:49.40 | Amarande | Jerub: yeah. every expansion gives us the ability to skin monsters fifteen levels higher than the last |
| 23:49.48 | Amarande | since it's always max level = skinning / 5 |
| 23:49.48 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, the problem is that the skinning level requirement is a simple equation that does not scale properly with the player levels |
| 23:49.54 | Lunessa | They are indeed raising professions to 525 |
| 23:50.00 | Amarande | but they only raise max mob level by 10 at most |
| 23:50.09 | ZorbaTHut | yeah. so at 525, you'll be able to skin lv105 monsters. |
| 23:50.09 | Jerub | but skinning is insane. you could always skin what you kill, so you never had to worry about ability level. |
| 23:50.16 | Amarande | there are two upshots to this: |
| 23:50.23 | Jerub | i mean sure, you can skin stuff 15 levels higher, but you can't kill those. |
| 23:50.37 | Amarande | 1) illustrious skinning is already a useless skill other than for the extra critical strike |
| 23:50.38 | ZorbaTHut | jerub, at some point it'll become impossible to cap your skinning skill, though |
| 23:50.41 | Jerub | and skinning is the EASIEST skill to level. |
| 23:50.50 | Amarande | because you can ALREADY skin up to level 90 mobs. |
| 23:51.03 | Amarande | the highest level mobs in the game in Cataclysm naturally will be level 88 (?? boss) |
| 23:51.11 | Amarande | which means being able to skin above 90 is worthless |
| 23:51.12 | Jerub | we were discussing this yesterday, and I want to drop skinning and go enchanting or something |
| 23:51.15 | Lunessa | Herbalism might actually be easier since herbs grow in great profusion and you don't have to kill anything |
| 23:51.46 | alestane | I can't find mention of new profession ranks in the FAQ: source? |
| 23:51.51 | Jerub | Lunessa: nah, skinning. unless you intentionally don't skin mobs as you level, you can't not have it at 450 by level 72 |
| 23:51.55 | theorbtwo | Skinning being easy to level isn't a problem, really. The materials that you skin will become cheaper automaticall. |
| 23:52.02 | Amarande | Jerub: for now |
| 23:52.10 | Amarande | the issue is that unless they come up with a significantly new formula |
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| 23:52.18 | Amarande | at some point, even the highest level mobs will be GRAY for skinning |
| 23:52.25 | Amarande | so you won't be able to raise the profession anymore at all, even to get the next rank |
| 23:52.36 | Jerub | Amarande: heh, that might be the fix. |
| 23:52.46 | Jerub | you HAVE to skin the bosses in instances to get the last 10 |
| 23:52.46 | ZorbaTHut | I suspect they'll just change the formula, myself |
| 23:52.47 | theorbtwo | Again, is that a problem, except for completionists? |
| 23:52.50 | ZorbaTHut | possibly even retroactively |
| 23:52.57 | ZorbaTHut | theorb, there's a lot of completionists in the game |
| 23:53.03 | Amarande | Zorba: that has its problems too |
| 23:53.07 | Jerub | that'd make skinning as hard to level as JC or Enchanting ;) |
| 23:53.09 | Lunessa | like me *cough* |
| 23:53.11 | Amarande | if you screw up the formula at low levels |
| 23:53.19 | theorbtwo | Me too, to a degree. |
| 23:53.22 | Amarande | people are forced to grind excessively in areas just to keep their skinning up |
| 23:53.26 | ZorbaTHut | and, yeah, I'd call it a problem, if skinning skills were different than other skills |
| 23:53.27 | Amarande | and in turn, this disrupts leveling itself |
| 23:53.30 | Mikk | JC is piss easy to level if you're not in a hurry. Just make Icy Prisms. |
| 23:53.31 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, nah, you just change it at the critical point |
| 23:53.36 | ZorbaTHut | from 1-300, skinning is 5 points per level |
| 23:53.37 | Jerub | imagines rolling on the skinning of dragons in instances. |
| 23:53.42 | ZorbaTHut | er, from 1-60 I guess |
| 23:53.43 | Amarande | remember: things like Mining and Herbalism do not actually require a dead mob to level up. |
| 23:53.48 | ZorbaTHut | from 61+, skinning is 7.5 points per level |
| 23:53.51 | Amarande | For each point of skinning, you must kill at least one mob of appropriate levels. |
| 23:53.53 | ZorbaTHut | problem solved, move on |
| 23:53.55 | Jerub | Amarande: sorry, what? grind excessively? |
| 23:54.03 | Jerub | Amarande: oh, right, i get it. |
| 23:54.29 | ZorbaTHut | I suspect pretty much everyone can find eight skinnable monsters to kill per level :P |
| 23:54.30 | Amarande | and remember that not all mobs are skinnable, which means definite excess grinding in areas where a lot of the quest mobs are humanoids or spiders |
| 23:54.33 | theorbtwo | would rather expect 7 or 8, but not 7.5, but whatever. |
| 23:55.02 | Amarande | speaking of spiders, I wonder where that spider that was on my wall last night went. |
| 23:55.02 | ZorbaTHut | theorb, 7.5 is the "correct" number, in the sense that it scales exactly properly for BC and Wrath |
| 23:55.08 | ZorbaTHut | for Cataclysm I suppose they'd technically have to move it to 15 |
| 23:55.32 | Amarande | I wonder if they're moving to 5 levels an expansion so they can finish off WoW at level 95 or 99 |
| 23:55.42 | theorbtwo | Amarande: Or finding a different area, and remember that orange is more then just the highest level (isn't it). |
| 23:55.59 | Mikk | Amarande: So far we only know that 85 will be the new cap once cataclysm is _released_ |
| 23:56.01 | ZorbaTHut | I wouldn't be entirely surprised if they decided not to finish WoW |
| 23:56.06 | ZorbaTHut | and just kept on going |
| 23:56.08 | Amarande | I mean, after Cataclysm, what's left? |
| 23:56.08 | Mikk | they havent said anything about what'll happen in 4.1, 4.2 etc |
| 23:56.10 | theorbtwo | Amarande: Nah, they'll just modify the artwork slightly to deal with three-digit levels. |
| 23:56.25 | Amarande | although they did come up with cataclysm, which I didn't expect at all |
| 23:56.34 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, Emerald Dream, Titans, the Burning Legion (which, remember, has not actually been defeated, only slowed down a little bit) |
| 23:56.35 | Amarande | even though certainly Grim Batol had to come into major play at some point |
| 23:56.55 | Amarande | yeah, I was thinking mainly we have left the Emerald Dream and Sargeras |
| 23:57.01 | theorbtwo | I'm sure they'll manage to find some new plot every couple of years until people stop buying them. |
| 23:57.12 | Amarande | for which with the new 5 level expansions I would probably expect ED to be for level 86-90 and the war with Sargeras for 91-95 |
| 23:57.14 | ZorbaTHut | it wouldn't surprise me if they decided to turn the Titans into a much larger force, even larger than the Burning Legion |
| 23:57.22 | Mikk | Indeed, they haven't had a problem expanding the lore so far |
| 23:57.25 | ZorbaTHut | I mean, they *created Azeroth*, and now they're apparently thinking seriously about blowing it up again |
| 23:57.26 | Amarande | I wonder what Sargeras will be like as a boss. :) |
| 23:57.33 | ZorbaTHut | that is a plot hook right there |
| 23:57.36 | Mikk | Yes, we're now past WCIII but er |
| 23:57.38 | Amarande | Zorba: I thought the Algalon subplot in Ulduar was supposed to cover that |
| 23:57.45 | ZorbaTHut | amarande, Algalon was a scout |
| 23:57.51 | ZorbaTHut | we defeated him, now they think everyone's A-OK |
| 23:57.56 | ZorbaTHut | at least until they send the next scout, possibly with guards. |
| 23:58.15 | Amarande | lord, what would titan bosses be like :) |
| 23:58.30 | ZorbaTHut | Exactly. That's why I think we have, perhaps, not seen the end of the Titans :) |
| 23:58.47 | Amarande | we'll probably see another scout in Uldum raid, I suppose |
| 23:59.04 | theorbtwo | I wouldn't be surprised if they went "hm, we should write in a couple of dangling plot hooks in Cataclysm, and then see which ones the community starts talking about". |
| 23:59.05 | ZorbaTHut | Algalon was basically a titan trash mob. ;) |
| 23:59.18 | ZorbaTHut | theorb, that's certainly what I'd do in their position |
| 23:59.19 | Amarande | although, it'll probably be wimpier than Algalon all things considered |
| 23:59.29 | Amarande | seeing as it seems rather obvious that Grim Batol is to be the final raid of Cataclysm |
| 23:59.41 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/the-forbidden-fruit/2449 |
