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| 00:00.54 | Lunessa | Ok, I'm also going home. Hopefully I won't have to ponder why some iPhones will connect to our Exchange server and some won't until tomorrow. |
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| 00:09.14 | Thunder_Child | because exchange = microsoft and iphone = apple? |
| 00:09.53 | WobWork | that would explain if none of them connected |
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| 00:27.23 | devZero | Adys: you happen to be around? |
| 00:27.48 | Dagmar | No... Exchange == The Devil, iPhone == Lucifer's Plaything |
| 00:29.43 | Dagmar | Pre =~ flaming wang of Satan |
| 00:33.47 | Adys | devZero: yes |
| 00:33.59 | Adys | not for long however. what did you need? |
| 00:35.09 | devZero | was wondering if you were aware if the "Heroic" flag was somewhere within the wdb, or dbc files. |
| 00:35.19 | Adys | yes |
| 00:35.23 | Adys | in the wdb files |
| 00:35.47 | devZero | thanks sir, much appreciated |
| 00:36.22 | Adys | flags = ["unk1", "conjured", "openable", "heroic", "deprecated", "totem", "unk64", "no_equip_cooldown", ... ] |
| 00:37.05 | devZero | hmmm, I wonder how I missed that |
| 00:37.29 | devZero | meh, I need to either code, or find some tools usable in non windows environments |
| 00:37.35 | devZero | for wdb / dnc |
| 00:37.37 | devZero | dbc* |
| 00:37.59 | Adys | you mean like the full-featured open source wdb+dbc parser i released a while ago. |
| 00:38.19 | devZero | Adys: got a link? Google turns up a bunch of old, or dead links |
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| 00:44.58 | Jerub | lol. |
| 00:46.27 | NightHawkTheSane | Wil Shipley is rather amusing |
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| 00:50.56 | Adys_ | night all |
| 00:51.55 | devZero | night Adys |
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| 01:00.38 | Amarande | is soon to be dragged back to Azeroth. :D |
| 01:00.47 | Amarande | also: new expansion details appear to be pure win and awesome this time |
| 01:00.53 | Amarande | I'm finding it hard to find anything to complain about :) |
| 01:01.32 | Amarande | except maybe that leveling will become more grindy again like in the pre-2.3 days, due to so much former questing land being commandeered for use as 80+ zone |
| 01:01.42 | Jerub | what about blizzard hvaing never managed to hit a scheduled release date? |
| 01:01.43 | Jerub | :D |
| 01:02.00 | tekkub | they dont' schedule release dates |
| 01:02.05 | Jerub | what changed in 2.3 to make levelling less grindy? |
| 01:02.18 | Amarande | Jerub: they reduced the experience needed to level, a lot |
| 01:02.21 | Amarande | in the 1-60 range anyway |
| 01:02.27 | Jerub | oh interesting. |
| 01:02.30 | Amarande | and also boosted pre-BC quest experience |
| 01:02.49 | Jerub | I only got an account at easter. |
| 01:02.53 | Amarande | before 2.3, you had to pretty much either grind or go on instance runs or both in order to make up some of the experience needed for each level, because the quests alone weren't generally enough |
| 01:03.00 | Jerub | and i already hve an 80. is that something that would'nt have been posssible pre-2.3? |
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| 01:03.13 | Amarande | well, yeah |
| 01:03.18 | Amarande | because the cap before 3.0 was 70 |
| 01:03.18 | Jerub | okay, interesting. |
| 01:03.19 | Amarande | lol |
| 01:03.22 | Jerub | lol |
| 01:03.32 | tekkub | you did not have to grind :P |
| 01:03.38 | tekkub | there were just a few dead spots |
| 01:03.55 | Amarande | the only other thing I'm concerned about is the Tol Barad stuff |
| 01:04.14 | Amarande | specifically, it being both the new Wintergrasp and the new daily hub, which kinda suggests forced PvP if you want to make your money from dailies like in BC and WotLK |
| 01:04.29 | Amarande | other than that, this looks like win |
| 01:05.34 | Amarande | I like the bit about Astranaar having been destroyed by the Horde, too. I remember having died horribly there during my very first trip to Ashenvale as a newbie :P |
| 01:06.32 | Amarande | Serves the night elves right for making poor young blood elves go play with the spiders every time they wanted to cross the zone. :D |
| 01:07.48 | Amarande | Ah well, I probably won't have to worry about Tol Barad, since the bulk of my income in reasonably recent times has come from farming Scholo and selling runecloth and GEE :) |
| 01:09.26 | Amarande | Oh, my last minor nitpick is that I like the idea of playable Worgen but hate playing Alliance, but ah well :P |
| 01:10.30 | WobWork | They wanted to give ally a furry race |
| 01:13.46 | Amarande | At least we got goblins. |
| 01:13.57 | Jerub | finally shorties of our own to make fun of |
| 01:14.09 | Amarande | heh, I was more thinking that horde shorties begin to balance PvP for the Horde |
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| 01:14.28 | Amarande | since the Horde has always been slightly plagued in that regard due to the fact that most of our races are huge and easily clicked :P |
| 01:14.53 | Amarande | I'm not even sure whirligig strategy is really effective enough to keep us from being clicked like it does for dwarves and gnomes |
| 01:15.07 | Jerub | i hate pvp in wow. it's just such a suboptimal UI. |
| 01:15.27 | Amarande | I forget what I was last PvP'ing for |
| 01:15.31 | Amarande | oh, yeah, two goals |
| 01:15.45 | Amarande | heirloom items and the battleground mounts |
| 01:16.06 | Amarande | I've been out of WoW for about half a year, actually |
| 01:16.44 | Amarande | bah! |
| 01:16.49 | Amarande | I'm wishing now that I hadn't read about Valanyr |
| 01:17.02 | Amarande | grumbles about Blizzard only giving the legendaries to people whose guilds are big enough to do the 25-mans |
| 01:19.21 | Amarande | maybe that'll change in future though, since I've noticed Coliseum seems to have made heroic and non-heroic a separate matter from 10 and 25 |
| 01:20.16 | Amarande | I've never quite understood the emphasis on the 25-man as the "true challenge" and the 10 as the "lite" though |
| 01:20.38 | Amarande | after all, a 10-man raid is inherently harder, since everyone needs to pull their weight, while nearly every 25 man encounter seems to allow for significant dead weight :) |
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| 01:30.33 | Dagmar | It's because the lemming raiders want fervently to believe there's something more important about getting 25 people together beyond what it takes to get ten or five |
| 01:31.23 | Amarande | and probably to think there's some worth to their making sacrifices from job and personal life in order to be on the same time as most other players so they can make it into 25's heh |
| 01:31.59 | Amarande | since I've tended to get the feeling that on most servers, excepting maybe the really crammed up ones, you can probably get a 10's group going without making significant sacrifices from other things |
| 01:32.08 | Amarande | but I'm not sure you can get a 25's without some people having to modify their lives around WoW |
| 01:32.43 | Amarande | maybe on some of the uber popped servers like Tich you can get 25's without RL sacrifices, but I don't play on those ones LOL |
| 01:32.50 | Amarande | I prefer to actually be able to log onto the server before midnight :) |
| 01:33.23 | WobWork | eh, even with a relatively limited number of available raiders, it's not -too- difficult to pull together a 10man |
| 01:33.24 | Amarande | I had my fill of queues to get into the game during my Diablo II days |
| 01:33.24 | WobWork | or 25 |
| 01:33.50 | WobWork | of course, the number of available raiders must be greater than 25 to begin with =P |
| 01:34.01 | Amarande | although the queues are still better than Blizzard's way of handling excessive load in the D2 days, of course |
| 01:34.02 | WobWork | or maybe I'm just lucky in my guild |
| 01:34.10 | WobWork | Amarande: what did they do? |
| 01:34.13 | Amarande | of course, just about ANYTHING is better than how Blizzard handled excessive load in D2 |
| 01:34.14 | WobWork | I never played on Battle.net |
| 01:34.27 | WobWork | just did the server between friends thing |
| 01:34.28 | Amarande | basically, they gave up to 48 hour temp bans to people for playing too much in a short period of time |
| 01:34.35 | WobWork | ahaha |
| 01:34.48 | WobWork | well, it's technically a -healthy- solution =P |
| 01:34.52 | Amarande | apparently it was really to alleviate the 10,000+ game create queues that spiked after 1.10 came out |
| 01:34.56 | WobWork | who knows how many lives they saved! |
| 01:34.58 | Bruners | now they give one month temp bans for logging in and out to fast :P |
| 01:35.03 | Amarande | but a lot of players felt incensed, and often like they were being accused of being bots :P |
| 01:35.42 | Amarande | I mainly blame the queues on bad design in 1.10 |
| 01:35.42 | Amarande | particularly, the experience system. |
| 01:36.38 | Amarande | in 1.09, the experience system heavily favored running the Moo Moo Farm. The Moo Moo Farm was a relatively large level with lots of enemies, so games lasted probably a decent 10 minutes or so at least, unless it was "uberfastcows" |
| 01:36.43 | WobWork | honestly... they -were- bots =P |
| 01:37.07 | WobWork | Cow Level, eh? |
| 01:37.08 | Amarande | in 1.10 though, the heavy nerfs at high levels really forced things towards running the Throne of Destruction, which is a tiny level and you only fight the five waves of Baal minions, so games generally lasted maybe two or three minutes or so at most |
| 01:37.11 | Amarande | so people had to make way more games |
| 01:37.28 | Amarande | it also rather ruined the social environment, since in cow runs you had time to chat and make friends, Baal games ran too fast to really allow that most of the time |
| 01:38.51 | Amarande | Wob, you must never have lost something valuable by clicking just slightly too fast while transferring and getting a temp ban :) |
| 01:39.24 | Amarande | For me, such losses, on the rare occasions when they did happen (as I tended to get a good idea for the rhythms required to avoid a ban) were pretty painful |
| 01:39.40 | Amarande | especially since I played fully legit, so I couldn't just go to ebay and plunk down another five bucks on high runes like the dupe kids did |
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| 01:40.15 | Amarande | Or if you didn't get temp banned, your game got trashed along with the items in it because someone was duping items on your server and DoS'd the server offline to complete the dupe process |
| 01:40.51 | Pytlask | Anybody been on the PTR and seen the changes to autocomplete? I haven't had a chance to go on and check them out :/ |
| 01:40.59 | Amarande | And then not only couldn't you get your stuff back at all, but you often had to go hours without being able to play the character, because Bnet would still register them as being in the game on the broken server so you'd just get Failed to Join Game |
| 01:41.21 | Amarande | Anyway, Blizzard does a way better job of things in WoW. :) |
| 01:41.28 | WobWork | Amarande: I never played on Battle.net =) |
| 01:43.14 | kd3 | rofl... fark: Turn a next-gen NASA rocket on its side. Bolt it to the desert floor. Light the fuse. Run like hell [Cool] |
| 01:43.18 | kd3 | ^ vid: awesome |
| 01:43.23 | kd3 | http://www.fox13now.com/news/kstu-atk-plans-second-rocket-test-in-utah,0,4485689.story |
| 01:43.53 | Amarande | suddenly screams loudly and annoyedly |
| 01:43.58 | Amarande | when I left WoW |
| 01:44.02 | Amarande | I didn't think I was coming back anytime soon |
| 01:44.13 | Amarande | so I packed the WoW programming book away in a box in the closet ... |
| 01:44.26 | Amarande | and now there's twelve fully packed boxes of mostly books in the closet, and I ... can't remember which box I put it in :P |
| 01:45.38 | Thunder_Child | Solution: buy another one Amarande |
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| 02:14.02 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: I suspect they used more than just bolts |
| 02:14.19 | kd3 | hm? |
| 02:14.28 | ScytheBlade1 | the rocket |
| 02:14.32 | kd3 | ya |
| 02:15.00 | Amarande | dammit, now that I've been off of WoW for six months I'm totally out of tune with what most of the good addons are now |
| 02:15.20 | ScytheBlade1 | That list remains the same, Amarande |
| 02:15.27 | ScytheBlade1 | For everything I needed anyway |
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| 02:27.53 | Mikk | Addons written by authors that write crappy code are still bad. Addons written by authors that write good code are still good. |
| 02:28.06 | Mikk | Addons that have become out of date and not maintained have suddenly become bad :P |
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| 02:28.31 | Mikk | is rly helpful tonight! |
| 02:28.38 | Mikk | goes to bed |
| 02:33.23 | Amarande | <Mikk> Addons that have become out of date and not maintained have suddenly become bad :P |
| 02:33.25 | Amarande | yeah, that's kinda the problem |
| 02:33.48 | Amarande | every time I set up a UI, I always manage to use at least one addon as a heart and soul part of it that stops being maintained between now and the next patch or expansion :S |
| 02:34.02 | Amarande | worse, there isn't always a reasonable replacement :S |
| 02:34.41 | Amarande | I remember slogging along with Titan Panel and a very limited set of info addons when WotLK came out because most of the FuBar stuff hadn't been brought up to snuff yet |
| 02:34.52 | cog|away | The horde tastes like gummy worms |
| 02:35.14 | steev | how much horde do you eat? |
| 02:35.33 | Amarande | they had a t-shirt at Dragon Con this year that said "for the horde" but I couldn't find which vendor carried it :( |
| 02:35.34 | cogwheel | just opened a can |
| 02:35.50 | Amarande | so I ended up getting one that said "This Quest Sucks" |
| 02:35.52 | Amarande | heh |
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| 02:59.24 | Amarande | hmm |
| 02:59.30 | Amarande | shall I stick with demo this time or try a new spec |
| 03:00.14 | Amarande | maybe aff again, then I wouldn't have to feel like strangling the Blizzard devs when we get stuck with Ichoron on H-VH :) |
| 03:00.38 | Amarande | "what's that? your spell isn't instant? well F you because you're not gonna finish casting it! GO GO ICHORON MEGA THROW!" |
| 03:02.09 | Dagmar | giggles. |
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| 03:02.32 | Jerub | Amarande: lol. I always end up doing HVH with a group of DPS. |
| 03:02.54 | Dagmar | She's easy |
| 03:03.12 | Dagmar | Jerub: Well, it's a good thing you brought some DPS |
| 03:03.20 | Amarande | ehh, it's not that ichoron is especially -hard-, although I've seen a group or two get so pissed off that they proceed to epically screw things up and wipe |
| 03:03.26 | Thunder_Child | google is down? |
| 03:03.27 | Dagmar | Amerinde: What you need is MOAR HUNTARS |
| 03:03.44 | Jerub | I got so bored in H UK the other day I wrote a macro for /yell MELEE TREE and joined the DPS race. |
| 03:03.52 | Amarande | it's more that it's an annoying d***wad because you get to actually do something maybe two seconds out of every ten before you get tossed around like a f***ing ping pong ball some more |
| 03:04.12 | Amarande | Dagmar: why, are pets immune to being ping-ponged? |
| 03:04.29 | Amarande | gets a feeling I should know this, having played as Demo |
| 03:04.31 | Amarande | but I can't remember now |
| 03:04.45 | Jerub | I was with an exceptionally well geared tank and 2 well geared dps guys, so I just had to make sure at least 1 hot was ticking, and I could melee the mobs. |
| 03:04.52 | Dagmar | Amarande: Honestly, I slack off and just auto/steady while I wait for her to burst. |
| 03:05.04 | Dagmar | Then it's BLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAMBLAM |
| 03:05.06 | Thunder_Child | can anyone connect to google? |
| 03:05.09 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: yep |
| 03:05.14 | Thunder_Child | just me then |
| 03:05.21 | Jerub | well, probably everyone on your datacenter. |
| 03:05.33 | Dagmar | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/google.com |
| 03:05.39 | Thunder_Child | wouldnt the redundancys kick in? |
| 03:05.48 | Jerub | skynet has centers all around the world, and the resistance might be able to take one or two down, but the rest will continue to function. |
| 03:05.51 | Amarande | Google's working here from Connecticut Charter |
| 03:05.58 | Dagmar | Amaranda: If your people are slacking off about blasting the little elementals, that's probably why you're having trouble |
| 03:06.08 | Thunder_Child | lol Dagmar, that site is down for me as well |
| 03:06.13 | Amarande | it's been looking weird for a day or two though |
| 03:06.14 | Dagmar | 'Most of those guys will die from *one* round of decently geared hunter |
| 03:06.18 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: on monday morning, a google site reliability engineer will get up and say, "I made mistake XXX, and we did YYY to fix it, because it cost us ZZZZZZ dollars." and then QQ |
| 03:06.27 | Amarande | like they made the search box and its font bigger, and they expanded the font and size of the buttons too |
| 03:06.45 | Dagmar | Well, I think they decided they didnt like their patent |
| 03:06.53 | Amarande | Jerub: most sub-optimal behavior can be blamed on dollars, probably |
| 03:07.07 | Dagmar | ...or maybe they just got it to annoy Bing, who knows |
| 03:07.17 | Amarande | sadly, there are all too often solutions that are significantly more optimal on the dollar side that are absolutely inefficient everywhere else |
| 03:07.26 | Amarande | while the most efficient solution from a technical side will cost a mint :P |
| 03:07.27 | Jerub | and then at the quarterly performance review, that engineer will have that number, and every other number that's his problem, on a piece of paper to discuss. |
| 03:07.37 | Jerub | has a friend who is very bitter about her time at google as a SRE. |
| 03:07.41 | Dagmar | Amarande: The reason to be lazy while she's all in one piece is that she's got that bloody damage reducer shield |
| 03:07.56 | Dagmar | The only thing that really matters is that you whack her like a pinata until she pops. |
| 03:08.01 | Amarande | it's like jewelcrafting. you can rely on other people to make the rare gem cuts you need, or you can spend 3000g on each pattern at the AH. :) |
| 03:08.37 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, I don't think it's so much that we had trouble actually winning (excluding the times when people got too pissed off to think clearly) as that it took too tediously long and we all felt like noobs when the DPS meters came back |
| 03:08.47 | Amarande | at least at that point, you were pretty much your recount output :P |
| 03:08.59 | Amarande | you are not your khakis. you are not your wallet. you are your RECOUNT OUTPUT, dammit! heh |
| 03:09.28 | Thunder_Child | guess it's my dns, i can ping yahoo but not google |
| 03:09.31 | Dagmar | Then pull the switch. |
| 03:09.43 | Dagmar | I swear it's like people forget those are there. |
| 03:09.48 | pseup` | ichoron is great fun, as melee at least, the fun comes from trying to line yourself up properly so the knockback kicks you right to a lever. then bam, all eles are dead! |
| 03:10.06 | Amarande | You ... used the defense switches ... ?? |
| 03:10.12 | Jerub | I've never bothered. |
| 03:10.13 | Dagmar | You can get an achievement just for standing around not paying attention to much with three people standing relatively near the switches. The moment she bursts, *USE ONE* |
| 03:10.21 | Dagmar | All elementals dead. ZAP!@ |
| 03:10.36 | Amarande | The -first- time I did H-VH, I got the achievement for doing it with 100% and not using any defense control crystals |
| 03:10.37 | Dagmar | Yes, it's almost disgusting in it's ease |
| 03:10.44 | Amarande | and I'm like ... wait a minute ... "defense control crystals? what's that?" |
| 03:10.48 | kd3 | ^ |
| 03:11.04 | Jerub | Amarande: me too. |
| 03:11.21 | Amarande | That's probably one of the FIRST achievements you should check on someone before inviting them into a 5-man. |
| 03:11.35 | Amarande | If they don't have it, they either have probably absolutely no experience with Wrath heroics at all, or they utterly, totally fail. :) |
| 03:11.42 | Jerub | i'm glad no one has checked achievements on me while i've been pugging. |
| 03:11.44 | Dagmar | What? That there's a possiblity that they couldn't even pay attention to the NPC mentioning the crystals? |
| 03:11.49 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 03:12.02 | Amarande | because 1) H-VH is like, one of the most popular heroics even when it's *not* the daily due to being such an easy run for badges |
| 03:12.02 | Jerub | I'm also glad no one has gone, wtfdude when I get the achievement for finishing the instance on norm AND H. |
| 03:12.05 | Dagmar | I used to just pull them to keep things moving along |
| 03:12.18 | Jerub | DTK is faster for badges. |
| 03:12.21 | Amarande | and 2) if you need the defense control crystals, you're probably doing something wrong :) |
| 03:12.22 | Jerub | but yeah, VH is one of my favourites. |
| 03:12.37 | Amarande | and 3) if you lose seal integrity -at all-, then you REALLY aren't paying attention. |
| 03:12.39 | kd3 | it helps that vh is... right there, and not on the other side of the map |
| 03:12.43 | Dagmar | Amaranda: And yet, it makes water-boy ludicrously easy |
| 03:12.57 | Jerub | I like doing VH, Nexus and HoL. they're probably my favourites to run. |
| 03:13.17 | Amarande | I suppose it might have helped me a bit that I realized right off the bat that the whole thing worked exactly like BM, though, anyway. :) |
| 03:13.23 | Dagmar | If you've got the achievement for not using them, next time Ichoron comes over, when he bursts into dinky elementals, pull a switch and watch the reaction of the people you're with. |
| 03:13.46 | Dagmar | I *wish* the orcs in Black Morass went down so easily |
| 03:13.56 | Amarande | I think the voidy guy was the one we always had the worst trouble with in H-VH |
| 03:13.59 | Amarande | trying to remember the name |
| 03:14.03 | Jerub | hm i should probably go do more classic instances. |
| 03:14.14 | Dagmar | "If you can see the little ones, you should be killing the little ones" |
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| 03:14.42 | pseup` | totally unrelated to current discussion, but anyone know why GetBattlefieldScore() doesn't return the server name as part of the player's name? |
| 03:14.46 | Dagmar | People not paying attention and letting the little ones pile up is what'll kill you there |
| 03:16.11 | Amarande | Dagmar: it was more an issue of when the healer would be the one who could see the little ones |
| 03:16.26 | Amarande | and would often either have no experience DPSing or simply didn't have the oomph to really do any good |
| 03:17.15 | Amarande | or even if they DID manage it, if they weren't a druid with instant HoTs, the rest of the party was being shredded too hard during the time |
| 03:17.36 | Amarande | but yeah, generally when the healer gets void shifted that boss can start to suck, hard |
| 03:20.03 | Amarande | c'mon, patch :P |
| 03:20.33 | Amarande | ever come back to WoW after a hiatus and start to wonder if by the time the patches finish it's going to be time to pay your monthly fee again? :D |
| 03:21.38 | Dagmar | honestly, $guild_leader or his wife is usually healing, and they don't bother DPSing during void shift |
| 03:21.46 | Dagmar | It's only been a problem when they've gotten it twice in a row |
| 03:21.59 | Dagmar | If the next person reacts quickly they can make up for the loss |
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| 03:23.11 | Dagmar | ...and then again there's the purple switches |
| 03:24.08 | Kraps | "dad, are you going to sleep on my bed?" "no" (snores) |
| 03:24.47 | Amarande | gah, still another half hour till patch |
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| 03:31.56 | Amarande | also: Emblems of Triumph system = EPIC WIN |
| 03:32.09 | Amarande | for once Blizzard puts in a reasonable system to help people catch up on the gear totem pole |
| 03:33.07 | Kraps | WHY YOU NEED TIER IF YOU DONT RAID RARARARARA LALALALALA MY E-PEEN HURTS |
| 03:33.10 | Dagmar | Well, one problem there. |
| 03:33.15 | Amarande | unlike, say, BC where you were pretty much screwed in the last year or so of it unless you had people who were really, really understanding AND who were geared to be able to help you get up to snuff :) |
| 03:33.29 | Dagmar | There's not much use for the gear besides just being OP if you're not doing Ulduar |
| 03:33.34 | Amarande | Kraps: because a lot of the time, especially once a raid's been around for a bit |
| 03:33.57 | Amarande | you need to have the tier gear TO get people to take you on a raid |
| 03:33.57 | Kraps | ^ |
| 03:33.57 | Amarande | and then you get stuck in the BC Vortex of Sadness |
| 03:34.12 | Dagmar | They've somewhat swung from one end of the spectrum to the other. |
| 03:34.15 | Amarande | where the raid groups demand you already have that level of gear to go raiding, so you never get to get the gear, so nobody takes you, so you never get to get the gear ... |
| 03:34.36 | tekkub | yea fuck them |
| 03:34.41 | tekkub | that never made sense to me |
| 03:34.50 | Amarande | I got stuck that way, because I hit level 70 around March of 2008 |
| 03:34.51 | tekkub | why would you app to FARM |
| 03:34.52 | Dagmar | Now you can get four pieces to 219 and usualy 2-3 to whssit 226 fairly easily. Combine that with the 200's from epic crafting and you're almost overgeared for Naxx |
| 03:35.02 | Dagmar | *just* from HToC |
| 03:35.24 | Dagmar | tekkub: Because the best that can be said of your gaming skills is your regular schedule |
| 03:35.36 | Amarande | and since I had neither stellar gear, nor stellar experience, nor stellar evening availability, I pretty much didn't get to raid. :P |
| 03:35.52 | tekkub | oh so if I have regular bowel movents that implies skill? |
| 03:35.53 | Dagmar | Amarande: So you've not seen the Argent Tournament yet then have you |
| 03:36.17 | Dagmar | tekkub: Provided you have 24 friends with similar schedules willing to believe that you, also poop |
| 03:36.21 | Amarande | The one time I almost DID get to be in a regular raiding guild, some in-guild drama apparently forced them to switch raiding days while I was away at Dragon Con 2008, and the guild thus no longer suited me |
| 03:36.46 | Amarande | Nope. I think 3.0.x was still current when I went on hiatus. |
| 03:36.51 | Amarande | I last played on March 12th. |
| 03:36.52 | Dagmar | Oh you'll love it |
| 03:37.09 | Dagmar | PUGing it is great, but then I'm a sick man |
| 03:37.21 | Amarande | Mostly I farmed Scholomance for stuff to put on the AH, or to send to my priest to DE and then put the resulting GEE up on AH. |
| 03:37.51 | Amarande | Because GEE and runecloth are *always* major sellers no matter what point the game has evolved to. |
| 03:38.01 | Kraps | Dagmar>PUGing it is great WAT |
| 03:38.08 | Dagmar | Kraps: I like watching people die |
| 03:38.22 | Amarande | Especially with the holiday season coming up, and I do seem to remember those holiday clothes need copious helpings of runecloth. |
| 03:38.29 | Dagmar | ...and you can be sure about one thing, ToC kills the stupid. :) |
| 03:38.52 | Amarande | ... 18 more minutes to patch completion ... |
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| 03:39.23 | Kraps | Dagmar: what role are you? |
| 03:39.51 | Dagmar | People who stand in the stuff, people who don't heed the clear warning text on their screens (probably trying to read it aloud), people who don't switch targets... they all die rather nicely |
| 03:40.08 | Dagmar | Kraps: Obviously not tank or healer |
| 03:40.47 | Dagmar | I like that zone because it's good practice for making use of the wipe-saver skills |
| 03:41.13 | Kraps | "Obviously" is right |
| 03:41.15 | Dagmar | ...not if bosses would stop this trend of being able to RUN LIKE THE FREAKING WIND I would like it more |
| 03:41.48 | Dagmar | Distracting shot is cool when you can get more than the minimum number of seconds out of it |
| 03:42.02 | Amarande | Remember the good old days of Final Fantasy II where nothing ever had more than 15,000 HP? :) |
| 03:42.12 | Dagmar | Ya make a big triangle with you at one corner, the tank at your left corner, and the healer at the right, and there you stay |
| 03:42.51 | Dagmar | When the rogue or 'lock invariably forgets not to click the nuke button as fast as they can and the boss goes after the healer, you intercept |
| 03:42.55 | Amarande | that reminds me, it's going to be good to see my spider again. |
| 03:43.01 | Amarande | and maybe level it and my hunter up some more! :) |
| 03:43.05 | Dagmar | ...and I don't mean the Intercept skill. I've yet to find a way to use that properly |
| 03:43.17 | Dagmar | You want a monkey now |
| 03:43.26 | Dagmar | Well, any tenacity pet but a monkey is the classic |
| 03:43.35 | Dagmar | Vast numbers of hunters made it to 80 first |
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| 03:43.40 | Amarande | I tried a bear, I think I found it a little less fun than the spider, though |
| 03:44.06 | Dagmar | A monkey who walks around doing Thunderstomp like a paladin is even more fun |
| 03:44.17 | WobWork | >8< spider pride! |
| 03:44.23 | Dagmar | An NPC says "Kill me 8 wolves and bring me their eyeteeth" and you say "All at once? Sure!" |
| 03:44.45 | Dagmar | Amarande: They took the rubber nipples off of Volley |
| 03:44.52 | WobWork | Dagmar: pft, that's assuming that the wolves aren't suffering from a terrible dental degradation, as they all seem to be |
| 03:45.04 | Dagmar | Then they had to nerf that and the pets by 30% just to bring us back under contrrol. |
| 03:45.17 | WobWork | Gorilladin was fun |
| 03:45.19 | Dagmar | I was regularly out damaging my gf with her ice mage |
| 03:45.27 | Dagmar | ...without even trying hard. :) |
| 03:45.34 | WobWork | eh, you can do that with volley =P |
| 03:45.38 | Dagmar | Not now |
| 03:46.15 | Dagmar | Before, when I had omg-ludicrous amounts of attack power, Volley would do more damage than her Blizzard |
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| 03:46.18 | WobWork | I was doing some decent volley damage on XT trash |
| 03:46.34 | WobWork | maybe I need to play with more decent mages =P |
| 03:46.40 | Dagmar | Now it's down to "doesn't piss off the gf" levels which is fine by me. |
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| 03:47.04 | Dagmar | WobWork: i was hitting for more per mob tick per tick and she could see it |
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| 03:47.31 | Dagmar | I've got some screenshots around here from the scourge invasion where my screen was just filled with four-digit numbers |
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| 03:50.30 | Shirik | How to know you watch way too much family guy |
| 03:50.45 | Shirik | The show makes a joke about a completely different episode that hasn't aired in weeks, and you recognize it |
| 03:50.53 | Kraps | Dagmar: i havent gotten into H ToC since i started being a dps |
| 03:51.23 | Dagmar | You should. You get a great view of other people's stupidity. |
| 03:51.45 | Jerub | oooh, i had fun last night. I died in naxx because i didn't know the safety dance (and I was being trained for MT) |
| 03:51.58 | Jerub | so I got up men at work on youtube and played the safety dance on vent. |
| 03:52.02 | Dagmar | We got so cocky a few nights ago we tried to three-man the whole first part of it. |
| 03:52.07 | Kraps | Dagmar: not that i havent tried |
| 03:52.13 | Jerub | Dagmar: i've 3 manned it. |
| 03:52.20 | Dagmar | I threw down a picnic basket and two people just sat there spectating while we jousted. :) |
| 03:52.20 | Jerub | Dagmar: i mean, the joust. |
| 03:52.23 | Kraps | theres too many dps out there |
| 03:52.31 | Dagmar | Well, it doesn't work so well for the spectators. |
| 03:52.36 | Dagmar | SOMEONE had to go and trample the picnic |
| 03:52.40 | Jerub | LOL |
| 03:52.53 | Dagmar | It was pretty funny until that point. |
| 03:53.42 | Amarande | Dagmar: I frequently wish I had a gamer gf. |
| 03:53.50 | Jerub | also, the intro is so long that it's possible for the intro to start, someone to realise their lance is in the bank, hearth, go to the bank, get summoned back by the summon stone, everyone back on horses, 3 shields defence, before the intro was over |
| 03:54.16 | Jerub | Amarande: last night I had to hand over a trinket because I won the roll, but she was going to make me sleep on the couch. |
| 03:54.19 | Amarande | Unfortunately, despite being generally a rather attractive, interesting and personable person who makes friends easily, my love life tends to be the tenth circle of fail :P |
| 03:54.19 | Kraps | so http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#LN0czfhZhxL0E0u0eRVzAo ? |
| 03:54.26 | Jerub | Amarande: sometimes having a gamer girlfriend ain't so grand. |
| 03:54.48 | WobWork | there is a trick for the intro for ToC |
| 03:54.58 | WobWork | have only one person in the party go in, mount up and start it |
| 03:55.11 | Jerub | WobWork: *listens intently* |
| 03:55.16 | WobWork | then everyone else comes in after the first person has been introduced and Thrall/Varian talk |
| 03:55.18 | Amarande | It can't be a matter of luck either, seeing as I'm someone who got the Rivendare mount on the FIRST kill |
| 03:55.27 | WobWork | as you only introduce one person, it goes a lot faster |
| 03:55.28 | Jerub | WobWork: I am *so* doing that |
| 03:55.33 | Amarande | ... shit, what did I just click |
| 03:55.41 | Amarande | some sort of notification appeared in the lower left of my screen when I was trying to type |
| 03:55.45 | WobWork | "Start Thermonuclear War" |
| 03:55.48 | Amarande | and I didn't see it, and apparently confirmed it because I hit the space bar |
| 03:55.53 | Jerub | I joined a H ToC after the joust. That was fucking amazing. :) |
| 03:55.57 | Amarande | oh |
| 03:56.00 | Amarande | "WoW patch completed" |
| 03:56.01 | Amarande | woot. |
| 03:56.02 | Jerub | no intro == win |
| 03:56.22 | WobWork | The black knight talks too much too |
| 03:56.50 | Jerub | WobWork: the black knight talking is the only thing that saved me from a chainpulling tank though. |
| 03:56.53 | Jerub | was grateful. |
| 03:57.42 | Dagmar | I still haven't gotten in a PUG smart enough to avoid corpse explostion |
| 03:57.51 | WobWork | It gets a little chaotic |
| 03:58.01 | WobWork | all you need is a pug with enough aoe to avoid CE entirely =P |
| 03:58.05 | Dagmar | "Guys, look at the ghouls nearby closely. If they're getting larger, move away from them. They will not chase you." |
| 03:58.05 | Shirik | seriously Dagmar? |
| 03:58.08 | Shirik | I did it the first day.. |
| 03:58.13 | Amarande | heh |
| 03:58.18 | Shirik | you don't even have to do that |
| 03:58.21 | Shirik | just killthem fast enough |
| 03:58.24 | Dagmar | I mean it when I say I do PUGs in there to amuse myself with other people's failures |
| 03:58.27 | WobWork | that's what I said =P |
| 03:58.27 | Amarande | when I think black knights I keep thinking of those guys in the first intro battle in FF2 that beat you to the ground before the game starts |
| 03:58.51 | Dagmar | Shirik: Seems generally faster to just splatter the Black Knight which makes 'em all give up and go boom |
| 03:58.58 | Mr_Rabies | i think of martin lawrence |
| 03:58.58 | WobWork | nah |
| 03:59.03 | WobWork | aoe the zombies |
| 03:59.05 | WobWork | then kill him |
| 03:59.06 | Dagmar | You just um, have to NOT be in the middle of them to avoid the boom and get the achievement |
| 03:59.22 | WobWork | then phase three, group up and chain-chainheal =P |
| 03:59.29 | Dagmar | We've consistently been able to push BK into the next phase faster than killing all the zombies. |
| 03:59.33 | Shirik | also faster to kill xt normal mode |
| 03:59.33 | Amarande | so, how many kills on average did it take you folks to get the deathcharger in Strat? |
| 03:59.41 | Dagmar | Partly because they're too attention-defecit |
| 03:59.43 | Shirik | do you want the achievement or do you want "fast"? |
| 04:00.04 | WobWork | Shirik: what on XT? |
| 04:00.15 | Dagmar | Shirik: I would rather these people cease their rectal spelunking and get the hell away from ghouls that give you plenty of time to get away |
| 04:00.17 | WobWork | you can't ignore the adds on XT =\ |
| 04:00.42 | WobWork | unless you have enough dps to kill him before they spawn |
| 04:00.47 | Dagmar | You can pop him through each phase in under 30 seconds |
| 04:01.11 | Amarande | Dagmar: rectal spelunking is a somewhat disturbing notion. |
| 04:01.24 | Amarande | especially when one plays a large number of console games which tend to include "inside the flesh of giant monster" levels. :| |
| 04:01.31 | Dagmar | Amarande: It seemed more acceptable than "take their heads out of their asses" as the time |
| 04:01.54 | Amarande | I'd rather not think of the idea of getting covered in giant monster poo. :D |
| 04:02.01 | Dagmar | muAhahaha |
| 04:02.05 | Jerub | i kinda like that webpage. |
| 04:02.05 | Dagmar | Just you wait until Northrend |
| 04:02.10 | Amarande | Speaking of which, shouldn't the monkey's special be "Fling Poo" instead of "Thunderstomp"? :) |
| 04:02.11 | Dagmar | o.O( |
| 04:02.16 | Jerub | just redid his talents using it: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#0ZxMGsfr0zeRcIuAkbxcz |
| 04:02.20 | Shirik | WobWork: He said "it's faster to kill Black Knight" |
| 04:02.25 | Dagmar | That's mainly a chimpanzee behaviour, not an ape. |
| 04:02.29 | Shirik | and I'm like "wellyeah, but do you want the achievement, or do you want fast kill?" |
| 04:02.43 | Amarande | Speaking of *that*, apparently they were demoing this card game at Dragon*Con this year |
| 04:02.51 | Dagmar | Yes. It's faster to kill the black knight than it is to kill his little ghouls and then kill him |
| 04:02.56 | Shirik | sure |
| 04:02.58 | Amarande | and you all play as monkeys who get to fling poo around, and if you get too much poo stuck to you you're out |
| 04:02.59 | Shirik | I totally agree |
| 04:03.07 | Shirik | but if you want to get the achievement, you're going to make that a nightmare |
| 04:03.14 | Dagmar | Nah, you drop him an then you RUN |
| 04:03.19 | Dagmar | Their radius isn't that big |
| 04:03.36 | Shirik | that would require intelligence |
| 04:03.44 | Kraps | blizz nerfed "vile like fire" |
| 04:03.46 | Dagmar | Or if you're a sneaky tank, you start hoofing it at 1-3% health |
| 04:03.48 | Kraps | :( |
| 04:05.59 | Jerub | Dagmar: ;) |
| 04:06.22 | Dagmar | Yeah Manarae got a little pissed about that. QQ (guild leader) ran straight for her for a giggle |
| 04:06.46 | Dagmar | She gets very nervous about being anywhere near a boss |
| 04:07.07 | Dagmar | ...so of course he starts laughing and saying "I'm bringing you a friend! You haven't taken enough damage" |
| 04:08.59 | Dagmar | It's good to have healers who are innately terrified of being near bosses |
| 04:10.23 | WobWork | is it? =P |
| 04:10.35 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 04:10.40 | WobWork | if you run at me with the boss that does aoe |
| 04:10.40 | Dagmar | It gives me room to work. |
| 04:10.50 | WobWork | my healing priorities shift to myself, not to the tank =) |
| 04:10.52 | Dagmar | ...and another 20% buffer before they get aggro. |
| 04:11.10 | WobWork | and if my healing is edging out your aggro |
| 04:11.15 | WobWork | you need to tank harder =P |
| 04:11.58 | Kraps | is currently listening to Theory Of A Deadman - Say Goodbye |
| 04:12.11 | Thunder_Child | Kraps |
| 04:12.41 | Kraps | sup? |
| 04:12.47 | Kraps | dont hate |
| 04:12.49 | Thunder_Child | guess |
| 04:13.11 | Amarande | gaaaahhhhh time to try to remember which addons I used before |
| 04:13.11 | Kraps | all we want is love |
| 04:13.45 | Amarande | yeah, Dagmar ... they made holding aggro ez-mode in WotLK |
| 04:13.58 | Thunder_Child | inncorrect Kraps, thats not all we want |
| 04:14.09 | Amarande | pretty much to the point where unless the tank is really crappy or the boss explicitly has a "I drop aggro now" move, you don't have to worry much about it heh |
| 04:14.25 | Amarande | speaking of which, I HATE "I drop aggro now" |
| 04:14.31 | Amarande | maybe it's because I'm a warlock. |
| 04:14.34 | Kraps | so you want HATE????? |
| 04:15.07 | Amarande | and warlocks always get rammed up delicate parts, which are -especially- delicate for female blood elves mind you!, by various unclean objects by bosses that drop aggro |
| 04:15.16 | Amarande | because we usually have a dot active, which guarantees we get stuck with aggro afterwards :P |
| 04:15.26 | Amarande | remembers the Inciter from Shadow Labs very well :P |
| 04:15.30 | Thunder_Child | hate is a tool like anything else |
| 04:15.56 | Kraps | Amarande: theres WAY to much innuendo in that statement to figure out |
| 04:16.11 | Amarande | Kraps: ok, let's put it more succinctly. |
| 04:16.16 | Arrowmaster | shadow labs was fun |
| 04:16.23 | Amarande | As a warlock, I way too often get dead against bosses like inciter that drop aggro |
| 04:16.29 | Arrowmaster | i had 4 curses up on him at once before |
| 04:16.37 | Amarande | because usually, with my luck, I have a dot up on them when they drop aggro |
| 04:16.49 | Amarande | which causes ME to become the target next time the dot ticks |
| 04:17.03 | Amarande | and inciter is especially bad, since I'm probably gaining aggro from my dots every second of the MC :| |
| 04:17.08 | Arrowmaster | hydross was the only boss that was ever an issue for me on |
| 04:17.10 | Amarande | which then comes back to beat me up as soon as MC ends |
| 04:17.26 | Amarande | I forget, does Inciter drop aggro at the beginning or the end of MC? |
| 04:17.49 | Amarande | It might not matter with long-term dots anyway, if there's one long enough to go the distance of the MC and still be ticking |
| 04:18.04 | Amarande | then whether the warlock lives seems to be strictly to do with whether the tank ended up close enough after the MC to pull aggro fast enough |
| 04:18.17 | Amarande | which is well ... all luck :P |
| 04:18.25 | Arrowmaster | meh i had amazing tanks |
| 04:18.33 | Amarande | Arrowmaster: well, in that case |
| 04:18.50 | Amarande | no matter how good your tank is, when you're mind controlled for a relatively long period at a time, you can't really control where you'll land :) |
| 04:18.58 | Kraps | never been to mc /shrug |
| 04:19.07 | Amarande | not molten core, Kraps |
| 04:19.21 | Amarande | we're talking the boss in shadow labs that does the full party mind control thing for like 20 seconds every minute |
| 04:19.25 | zenzelezz | "Alan Turing Gets an Apology From Prime Minister Brown" -- that's pretty cool |
| 04:19.41 | Amarande | and drops aggro either at the beginning or end of it, I'm not sure which off the top of my head |
| 04:19.47 | Arrowmaster | my guild tanks would always be intercepting or intervening something whenever a stituation like that happened |
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| 04:20.08 | Amarande | and the effect it has on the survival of warlocks who use long-duration DoTs that manage to last the entire length of the mind control |
| 04:20.21 | Amarande | which was pretty much all my dots in my case, since I was aff at the time |
| 04:21.28 | Arrowmaster | im trying to remember what raid boss i got yelled at alot during because of CoD |
| 04:22.32 | zenzelezz | during..? |
| 04:22.50 | Arrowmaster | my curse of dooms sometimes had the absolute worst timing |
| 04:23.01 | Amarande | heh, I heard once about an AQ40 raid that had like, a huge number of warlocks among the DPS |
| 04:23.13 | Amarande | and C'Thun had like a ton of CoD on him and they all went off at the very end ... |
| 04:23.15 | Arrowmaster | and i would end up with 20k+ threat after a threat wipe |
| 04:23.27 | zenzelezz | during what? |
| 04:23.31 | Arrowmaster | i dont remember |
| 04:23.46 | zenzelezz | our warlocks had trouble with Hydross because they didn't like stopping DoTs in time for a switch |
| 04:23.53 | tem | !api reststate |
| 04:23.53 | lua_bot | GetRestState: Returns the player's current rest state (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetRestState) |
| 04:24.00 | Arrowmaster | nah i had hydross down |
| 04:24.07 | Arrowmaster | timed exactly |
| 04:24.22 | Arrowmaster | i think it was lurker |
| 04:24.35 | zenzelezz | on the Lurker himself, or on the adds? |
| 04:24.40 | Arrowmaster | himself |
| 04:24.58 | zenzelezz | that sounds odd, though it did happens once in a while |
| 04:25.32 | Arrowmaster | or maybe that was just some of melee, i know sometimes he would do a knockback then turn and wipe the raid |
| 04:26.05 | Arrowmaster | its been so long i cant even remember if fixed position bosses can even target ranged as long as somebody is in melee |
| 04:29.04 | zenzelezz | I don't remember if he did both a swipe and Spout, or just Spout, when he re-emerged; but a lot of our melee were too trigger happy and got themselves in trouble with it |
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| 04:30.47 | Arrowmaster | he had an aoe knockback around him |
| 04:31.00 | Arrowmaster | that didnt reduce threat i dont thin |
| 04:31.59 | Arrowmaster | but he was in a fixed possition so if the tank got knocked back he would turn to the highest threat person in melee range |
| 04:32.22 | Arrowmaster | no all melee would move out when the warning came up |
| 04:32.58 | Arrowmaster | i swear there was some boss my CoD did mess up though |
| 04:33.37 | zenzelezz | the knockback was the swipe thing |
| 04:34.10 | Arrowmaster | i think supremus might have been one of them but not the main one, i know more than once my CoD went off right after he focused somebody and i somehow pulled aggro off of them |
| 04:34.10 | zenzelezz | and yeah, there've been plenty of bosses that could get angry at DoTs |
| 04:36.22 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/09/10/funny-pictures-fashion-police/ |
| 04:36.23 | tem | !api Rester |
| 04:36.23 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'Rester'. |
| 04:36.25 | tem | !api Rested |
| 04:36.25 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'Rested': GetBillingTimeRested, GetTimeToWellRested |
| 04:42.12 | kd3 | winces at xkcd |
| 04:42.45 | ScytheBlade1 | did the same moments ago |
| 04:46.43 | tem | !api GetTimeToWellRested |
| 04:46.43 | lua_bot | GetTimeToWellRested: This function is deprecated and should no longer be used (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetTimeToWellRested) |
| 04:48.37 | Shirik | I don't get it |
| 04:48.49 | tem | 0 comments |
| 04:49.04 | Shirik | is that all the joke was? |
| 04:49.07 | Shirik | I saw that and was like "meh" |
| 04:49.08 | Amarande | hm |
| 04:49.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Ever read ender's game? |
| 04:49.12 | Amarande | I used to have this addon |
| 04:49.13 | Shirik | no |
| 04:49.16 | ScytheBlade1 | That's why |
| 04:49.18 | kd3 | then you won't get it |
| 04:49.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Read the book and you'll understand |
| 04:49.23 | tem | oh I see |
| 04:49.24 | kd3 | go read it |
| 04:49.25 | Amarande | which would keep track of specifically, which recipes for a given tradeskill you did NOT have |
| 04:49.28 | Amarande | anyone remember what it was called? |
| 04:49.35 | tem | I missed that part of the joke then |
| 04:49.55 | Shirik | is it actually god? |
| 04:49.57 | Shirik | good |
| 04:49.59 | Shirik | or is it a waste of my time |
| 04:50.13 | ScytheBlade1 | imo it is good |
| 04:50.18 | ScytheBlade1 | but there are two groups of people who read it |
| 04:50.25 | kd3 | required reading at the AFA iirc |
| 04:50.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Those who love it, and those who -hate- it |
| 04:51.01 | Amarande | btw, are blue gems worth making anymore, or are purple gems too easily obtained now? |
| 04:51.41 | Shirik | I still use blue gems |
| 04:52.01 | Shirik | purple gems are too costly right now for me to justify it for all cases |
| 04:54.49 | kd3 | so uh... ow |
| 04:54.56 | kd3 | # xfs_db -c frag -r /dev/md0 |
| 04:54.56 | kd3 | actual 1220781, ideal 37638, fragmentation factor 96.92% |
| 04:55.05 | kd3 | pokes the xfs defragmenter |
| 05:01.08 | Amarande | hm |
| 05:01.27 | Amarande | are Recount and Omen still basically essential for any grouping in the current environment? |
| 05:04.41 | Kraps | omen is |
| 05:05.10 | Kraps | Recount for SELF-refernce |
| 05:05.46 | Kraps | unless you're a GM/RL |
| 05:06.47 | Amarande | I'm mainly wondering if groups still expect you to report your most recent DPS meter results before they'll invite you for heroics |
| 05:07.44 | Amarande | Or if Recount is even still the DPS meter of choice, seeing as it's not even on wowi that I can see anymore, at least recently |
| 05:09.53 | Kraps | never been asked for a meter |
| 05:10.00 | Amarande | oh, lord. |
| 05:10.03 | Amarande | Why, oh WHY |
| 05:10.06 | Amarande | did I log out in Dalaran last |
| 05:10.10 | Amarande | dammmiitttt .... |
| 05:11.17 | Shirik | nice kd3 |
| 05:11.19 | Shirik | that's impressive |
| 05:11.27 | Shirik | suggestion: Use a real filesystem |
| 05:15.19 | Amarande | um |
| 05:15.23 | Amarande | did 3.2 break fubar or something? |
| 05:15.33 | Amarande | when I logged on, all my fubar stuff was crowded around the minimap and there were no bars |
| 05:19.07 | Torhal | Amarande: Yes. |
| 05:19.10 | Torhal | Update :) |
| 05:19.18 | Amarande | http://pastebin.com/d5b7874ac |
| 05:19.23 | Amarande | what have I b0rked? :| |
| 05:19.35 | Amarande | Torhal: 3.6 seems to be the latest on wowi, what's the minimum for 3.2? |
| 05:19.46 | Amarande | and *how* did they manage to break fubar? |
| 05:19.53 | Amarande | something become protected that wasn't before? |
| 05:19.55 | Torhal | LibRockConfig has been updated |
| 05:20.09 | Torhal | Dunno what they broke - haven't used FuBar since 2.4.3 |
| 05:20.12 | Amarande | hm |
| 05:20.18 | Amarande | so basically, ANYTHING that uses LibRockConfig is b0rked? |
| 05:20.31 | Torhal | Probably. Rock is dead. FuBar is on life-support. |
| 05:20.39 | Torhal | LDB is The New Way. |
| 05:20.54 | Amarande | LDB? |
| 05:21.07 | Amarande | bah |
| 05:21.14 | Torhal | LibDataBroker. Look up DockingStation, and any of the Broker_Whatever plugins |
| 05:21.16 | Amarande | if I wanted to have to write half my own addons for the info I was used to with fubar |
| 05:21.35 | Amarande | I would have decided to wait till Cataclysm was out so I wouldn't have to do it all over again once 4.0 changes the API again :P |
| 05:21.49 | Torhal | LDB has been around for a year and a half, at least. |
| 05:21.55 | Amarande | *sigh* no more Cartographer, then, I guess |
| 05:21.58 | Torhal | And it's far easier to write for than FuBar |
| 05:22.05 | Amarande | since that swatter window suggests that Cart is the one that wanted to use Rock |
| 05:22.20 | Thunder_Child | try the next cart |
| 05:22.24 | Amarande | are there any decent map addons that work anymore like cart did, without having to suck it and buy carbonite? |
| 05:22.30 | Amarande | or has cart been fixed to not use rock? |
| 05:22.31 | Torhal | Cartographer can be replaced with: Mapster, HandyNotes (and assorted plugins), Cromulent, GatherMate |
| 05:22.35 | Thunder_Child | carb is free now |
| 05:22.42 | Thunder_Child | no addon can be for pay |
| 05:22.44 | Amarande | oh, good. |
| 05:22.51 | Thunder_Child | so sayeth the lord on high |
| 05:22.53 | Amarande | I was wondering when they'd get hit with the failbat for trying to charge for addons |
| 05:23.10 | Amarande | I always thought it a stupid thing, on the line with when that one woman tried to charge people for her DOOM wads back in 1994-5 or so |
| 05:23.29 | Amarande | and got clocked so hard by the community and probably id that we've never seen gaming stuff out of her since LOL |
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| 05:24.02 | Amarande | let's see |
| 05:24.08 | Torhal | Amarande: Blizzard built DevTools into the default UI, and a few other things, so that's probably what broke Rock |
| 05:24.11 | Amarande | first, time to start deleting addons until stuff stops breaking. :) |
| 05:25.19 | Amarande | CRAP. |
| 05:25.22 | Amarande | FuBar 3.6 uses LibRock. |
| 05:25.31 | Torhal | Yep. |
| 05:25.38 | Amarande | There goes like HALF MY INFO. Gee thanks Blizzard for 'helpfully' building things into the UI |
| 05:25.44 | Torhal | Like I said, Rock is dead anf FuBar is on life-support. |
| 05:25.47 | Amarande | are there even LDB equivalents to half the stuff there was Fu's for? |
| 05:25.50 | Torhal | Yes |
| 05:25.55 | Thunder_Child | some, not all |
| 05:25.58 | Amarande | or do you have to suck it up and learn to write most of them still? |
| 05:26.12 | Thunder_Child | and there is a fail FuBar2LDB |
| 05:26.14 | Amarande | dreads having to go dig through all the neatly organized boxes for the book :| |
| 05:26.40 | Torhal | Amarande: It's easier to write LDB stuff. It's tiny. |
| 05:26.42 | tem | Torhal, I sure hope you didn't just blame blizzard for the awful mess that is Rock |
| 05:26.47 | Torhal | And you're not stuck with one display |
| 05:26.49 | tem | er |
| 05:26.50 | Codayus | I find there's LDB for everything, and the Fubar2broker converter works well. YMMV. |
| 05:26.53 | Torhal | tem: No, I didn't |
| 05:26.55 | tem | not Torhal |
| 05:27.01 | Torhal | Rock has been dead for a LONG time |
| 05:27.03 | Amarande | ok, the ones I'm used to having at my beck and call are - |
| 05:27.07 | tem | Amarande, I sure hope you didn't just blame blizzard for the awful mess that is Rock |
| 05:27.59 | Torhal | Amarande: http://wiki.github.com/tekkub/libdatabroker-1-1/addons-using-ldb |
| 05:28.00 | Amarande | BagFu, ExperienceFu, FriendsFu, GuildFu, LocationFu, MoneyFu, PetInfoFu, QuestsFu, ReadyFu, ReagentFu, SkillsPlusFu, ThreatFu, uClock, and TopScoreFu |
| 05:28.17 | Amarande | I was also going to try the fubar micromenu, since that would save me some space over having to find room for it. |
| 05:28.23 | Torhal | Amarande: MoneyFu - either Broker_Currency or Auditor. |
| 05:28.35 | Torhal | TopScoreFu - Broker_HitCrit |
| 05:28.54 | Torhal | Most of the rest have equivalents |
| 05:29.13 | Torhal | Amarande: MicroMenu - picoButtons |
| 05:29.50 | Amarande | by the way, is the Ace library also dying a slow death in general, too? |
| 05:29.55 | Torhal | Nope |
| 05:30.00 | Torhal | Ace2 is |
| 05:30.04 | Torhal | Ace3 is not |
| 05:30.11 | Amarande | It seems that Ace used to have a very close relationship with FuBar |
| 05:30.17 | WobWork | not so |
| 05:30.18 | Codayus | QuestFu is the only one I don't think there's a very good equivalent... |
| 05:30.24 | WobWork | Ace2 had a close relationship with FuBar |
| 05:30.33 | WobWork | but that's only cause ck wrote the majority of both |
| 05:30.34 | Amarande | and sadly, a good quest addon is one of the things I HAVE to have |
| 05:30.41 | Amarande | because I ALWAYS use the right hand side of my screen for things like EBB and such |
| 05:31.14 | Amarande | it's amazing how much one realizes one needs addons when the ones one is used to are no longer serviceable |
| 05:31.19 | Torhal | Amarande: There's BetterQuest, tomQuest2 |
| 05:31.27 | Amarande | simply because the default Blizzard UI doesn't allow for the stuff to be dragged the way one needs |
| 05:31.29 | Torhal | Both LDB |
| 05:31.31 | Arrowmaster | FuBar hasnt used Ace for years |
| 05:31.43 | Codayus | It depends what exact features of QuestFu you were using. |
| 05:32.12 | Amarande | I think I mainly used it for the quick lookup of how much room I had in my quest log and how many quests were ready to turn in |
| 05:32.28 | Kraps | woot i got edge of ruin |
| 05:32.29 | Amarande | Did QuestGuru survive, or die in the cradle of 0.9.x? |
| 05:32.35 | Torhal | It's still around. |
| 05:33.11 | Torhal | At 1.2, currently. Last updated 2 weeks ago |
| 05:34.24 | Amarande | Hmm, what's the best Broker panel addon for someone who was used to using top/bottom info bars like FuBar did? |
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| 05:34.52 | Torhal | Amarande: DockingStation. |
| 05:35.05 | Torhal | Unless you want to use Titan, which is also now an LDB display |
| 05:35.15 | Torhal | Or ChocolateBar |
| 05:35.28 | Torhal | But I've found DockingStation to be the closest to FuBar overall |
| 05:36.51 | Amarande | also, is wowi heading for life support by any chance? |
| 05:36.57 | Amarande | maybe I should be using Curse instead? |
| 05:37.22 | Amarande | I've noticed wowi seems to have a lot of woefully out of date stuff, for instance it doesn't seem to have a non-Rock Cartographer |
| 05:37.33 | Amarande | when did everyone start abandoning wowi and going to curse? :| |
| 05:38.00 | Codayus | DockingStation is good, if you are just switching from FuBar and want something similar. |
| 05:38.17 | Torhal | Amarande: Some authors abandoned WoWI. Some abandoned Curse. |
| 05:38.19 | Amarande | I've normally kept my at a glance stuff at the top and bottom of the screen. |
| 05:38.30 | Torhal | I use both because of this. |
| 05:38.37 | Amarande | I'm still wondering how FuBar managed to bite the dust, though |
| 05:38.47 | Amarande | it was always a pretty good basic idea |
| 05:38.55 | Amarande | top and bottom, keeps info stuff out of the way of your adventuring ... |
| 05:39.01 | Codayus | Yeah, but there's better implementations of the basic idea now. |
| 05:39.11 | Amarande | and I never really found Titan to be as pleasant to configure |
| 05:39.15 | Codayus | FuBar wasn't the first to do it. |
| 05:39.25 | Amarande | not to mention for some reason last time I used Titan, it kept screwing with the font size when I logged off |
| 05:39.40 | Amarande | or /reloadui'd |
| 05:40.08 | Codayus | *shrug* Haven't used Titan since befor FuBar was written. :) |
| 05:40.39 | Shirik | what's with the 4 hour gap on crafting timers? |
| 05:40.53 | Shirik | Like, moonshroud says "4 days" but then actually is "3 days 20 hours" |
| 05:41.00 | Shirik | and this seems to be consistent across all recipes |
| 05:41.26 | Codayus | Stp[s timer creep |
| 05:41.55 | Amarande | Shirik: yeah, what Codayus says |
| 05:42.06 | Shirik | well, people need to l2beefficient |
| 05:42.07 | Amarande | it's designed to give people a little leeway in case they log on at different times of the day |
| 05:42.20 | tem | they really should have made them more like dailies imo |
| 05:42.29 | tem | where it resets at a certain time |
| 05:42.36 | Amarande | otherwise, people would feel forced to gradually log on later, and later, and later |
| 05:42.37 | tem | and you can use it once per day |
| 05:42.57 | Amarande | and next thing you're dragging yourself up at 3AM some mornings just to get in your 96 hour crafting so you don't lose any more efficiency than you have to ... |
| 05:43.08 | Shirik | no Amarande |
| 05:43.14 | Shirik | you don't gradually log on later |
| 05:43.20 | Shirik | You go over there BEFORE your timer expires |
| 05:43.24 | Shirik | and then craft as it expires |
| 05:43.33 | Shirik | you would lose,what, 10 seconds per 4 days? |
| 05:43.37 | Amarande | in any case, making it a few hours short like that |
| 05:43.43 | Shirik | lua> 60*60 / 10 * 4 |
| 05:43.44 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1440 |
| 05:43.47 | Amarande | makes it easier on players who don't always play the same times each day like clockwork. |
| 05:43.49 | Shirik | That means to lose 1 hour |
| 05:43.53 | Shirik | it would take you |
| 05:43.56 | Shirik | lua> 1440/365 |
| 05:43.56 | lua_bot | Shirik: 3.9452054794521 |
| 05:43.58 | Shirik | 4 years |
| 05:44.10 | Codayus | A daily reset would probably be better, but they implemented dailies and such LONG after cooldowns on tradeskills. |
| 05:44.25 | Shirik | ^ |
| 05:44.49 | Codayus | And a cooldown with a short grace period works fine, so why change? |
| 05:45.05 | Codayus | (The old raid lockout system worked the same way, IIRC.) |
| 05:45.27 | Codayus | Raids reset in 1 week minus...I forget, some grace period from getting locked. |
| 05:45.29 | Arrowmaster | a very very very long time ago |
| 05:45.45 | Codayus | Yeah, changed what, pre Naxx in vanilla? |
| 05:45.46 | Arrowmaster | then they started resetting them on tuesdays |
| 05:45.53 | Amarande | wow, broker has lots of neatness for it. |
| 05:45.54 | Arrowmaster | pre BWL |
| 05:45.55 | Amarande | hmm |
| 05:45.59 | Amarande | what's the Broker equivalent to GuildFu? |
| 05:46.08 | Shirik | I liked the old system for raids better |
| 05:46.10 | Amarande | I think that's probably the FuBar addon that kept me glued to FuBar forever in particular |
| 05:46.15 | Shirik | let you have, e.g., 3 day resets |
| 05:46.21 | Amarande | I found the Blizzard social interface clunky as hell |
| 05:46.48 | Codayus | Amarande: There's a few, I like AuldLangSine |
| 05:46.49 | Amarande | don't they actually have 3 day resets for some raids, like ... hmm ... ZA I think it was? |
| 05:46.56 | Codayus | But there's like... uGuild too? |
| 05:47.11 | Codayus | Onyxia, ZG, AQ20, others have shorter resets |
| 05:47.18 | Codayus | Ony is like 5 days, I think? |
| 05:47.38 | Arrowmaster | yes 5 |
| 05:47.39 | Shirik | I just think it was nicer on guild schedules |
| 05:47.46 | Shirik | for weekly resets it doesn't really matter when it resets |
| 05:48.04 | Shirik | but for an astable schedule like a 5-day or 3-day reset, it's better to have it start when the raid starts |
| 05:48.31 | Amarande | btw, is this new Ony I'm reading about on wowwiki for an upcoming patch going to be a permanent thing? |
| 05:48.40 | Amarande | or is being able to get the onyxia flying mount going to be a limited time event? |
| 05:49.02 | Amarande | like ... are they going to basically replace the old Onyxia boss permanently with the updated level 80 one basically? |
| 05:49.24 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 05:49.43 | Arrowmaster | which reminds me i still need to do that AQ quest and get upto the part where you need the page from ony |
| 05:50.08 | Shirik | do you still have to be attuned to ony? |
| 05:50.11 | Shirik | or can everyone get in? |
| 05:50.14 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 05:50.22 | Shirik | um |
| 05:50.24 | Arrowmaster | they removed the attunement quests a few patches ago |
| 05:50.26 | Shirik | ok |
| 05:50.29 | Amarande | Shirik: I think they took out the attunement a good while ago |
| 05:50.38 | Amarande | bah to the alliance whiny babies :P |
| 05:50.51 | Amarande | yes, I know alliance's ony quests were miles harder than horde's. |
| 05:50.52 | Amarande | you know what? |
| 05:50.54 | Amarande | I don't care. |
| 05:50.56 | Amarande | because I play horde :D |
| 05:50.58 | tem | they took out ony attunement when they removed the quest |
| 05:51.05 | tem | because they removed some key npcs |
| 05:51.23 | Jerub | yeah, attunement used to mean something, but now it's like, "hey, wanna do level 60 instance blah" "sure" "waah, you're not attuned" "what's attunement" |
| 05:51.27 | Amarande | there's plenty of shit Horde gets shafted through the head on as it is. so if alliance had a harder time with something they can just QQ :P |
| 05:51.47 | Amarande | for instance, the fact that Alliance could do one of their Christmas achievements at any level |
| 05:51.56 | Amarande | while Horde had to grind desperately to SEVENTY SEVEN to be able to do the same thing :P |
| 05:52.13 | Amarande | and WotLK had only even been out about a month |
| 05:52.40 | Jerub | Amarande: which one was that? |
| 05:52.42 | Amarande | Or that one Strand achievement that Alliance could do easily and was physically impossible for Horde |
| 05:52.54 | Amarande | Jerub: I'm trying to remember the name of it, I think it may have been Bros before Ho Ho Ho's or something like that |
| 05:52.59 | Amarande | it required you to visit certain NPCs |
| 05:53.15 | Amarande | but the Alliance ones were in places anyone could reach without too much trouble, or could easily get help getting to |
| 05:53.16 | Arrowmaster | ive still never even been in Strand |
| 05:53.27 | Amarande | while one of the Horde ones ... was placed ON THE BLOODY AIRSHIP BASE IN ICECROWN |
| 05:53.38 | Jerub | oooh, right. |
| 05:53.41 | Amarande | doesn't matter how good a guild or friends you have, how much help you get, there is absolutely no way there below 77. |
| 05:53.53 | Arrowmaster | actually there is |
| 05:53.55 | Jerub | so you need level 77 AND cold weather flying |
| 05:54.02 | Jerub | you could get a summon |
| 05:54.06 | Amarande | Jerub: not sure on the flying |
| 05:54.14 | Amarande | I think the flight path to Icecrown opens at 77 even without it |
| 05:54.27 | Amarande | and that's where the first FP drops you |
| 05:54.32 | Codayus | Amarande: You could actually, of all things, die on a special spot on top of a hill, and rez onto the airship. |
| 05:54.33 | Jerub | I hated how the easter achievements required tossing torches specificaly in icecrown. |
| 05:54.36 | Amarande | don't think summon worked ... can't summon to transport or some such |
| 05:54.41 | Arrowmaster | you could get summoned onto a certain mountain, then get some form of slowfall and if you were lucky you could get onto a part of the ship and climb up |
| 05:54.46 | Amarande | anyway |
| 05:54.54 | Amarande | the point was that Blizzard gave Alliance an easy achievement and told Horde to just suck it |
| 05:55.03 | Amarande | and they do this *really bloody often*. |
| 05:55.15 | Amarande | I'm trying to think of an achievement that actually favors horde ... not sure I can think of one :| |
| 05:55.32 | Codayus | Anything that requires winning in a battleground. :-( |
| 05:55.33 | Amarande | there certainly weren't any I could think of in the original achievement set |
| 05:55.39 | Arrowmaster | just an oversite, the people in charge at blizzard clearly favor horde |
| 05:55.42 | Torhal | Amarande: Bug Elkano. He started ElkGuild to replace GuildFu back in July, and hasn't worked on it since. |
| 05:55.44 | Codayus | YMMV, depends on battegroup, bracket, and BG. :) |
| 05:55.58 | Amarande | Codayus: actually, the battleground one slightly favors Alliance |
| 05:56.06 | Amarande | because it depends on battlegroup bracket and BG except for one thing. |
| 05:56.14 | Amarande | that one SotA achievement, which I'm not sure if it was ever fixed to be possible for Horde |
| 05:56.25 | Amarande | specifically the one where you had to win within ... 4 minutes I think it was |
| 05:56.28 | Arrowmaster | the do something in a certain time limit |
| 05:56.34 | Amarande | the problem was, at least initially, the timer for it was bugged |
| 05:56.45 | Amarande | instead of counting it from horde's attack half, they counted it from the very beginning of the BG |
| 05:56.59 | Amarande | so there was no way, because somehow Alliance would have to win in 2 minutes or less and then Horde beat that |
| 05:57.20 | Amarande | I think it was theorized at one point that it could be done with both sides having ALL shadowstep rogues but that was kinda out there and probably nerfed since |
| 05:57.51 | Amarande | did they ever fix that one? |
| 05:59.58 | Amarande | anyway. found what looks to be a decent broker guild addon |
| 06:00.04 | Amarande | now I just need to find one for pet info |
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| 06:03.07 | Amarande | ehh, pet info can wait, I guess :) |
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| 06:24.38 | Dagmar | What addon could you need for pet info? |
| 06:25.23 | Dagmar | I can't really think of anything useful extra info about a pet would give you. |
| 06:27.45 | Dagmar | About Icecrown and Dalaran, it seems fairly trivial since you can just have someone port (or summon) you into Dalaran. |
| 06:28.20 | Dagmar | As to Icecrown being hard to get into until 77, you can _probably_ be summoned to the meeting stone earlier than that |
| 06:28.33 | Dagmar | ...or again just find a lock |
| 06:31.32 | tem | yeah, cry more Amarande |
| 06:31.32 | tem | just get summoned |
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| 06:34.29 | Dagmar | I know I was determined not to go into Dalaran until the quests led me there, but that plan ended abruptly until I wound up in the north end of Dragonblight |
| 06:34.57 | Dagmar | I went straight back to Ironforge and /yelled "20G for a port to Dalaran" and mages sprang up like they'd just dropped out of stealth |
| 06:37.21 | Dagmar | Considering that if you can do anything in Northrend the quests pay respectable money, so 20g is nothin' |
| 06:41.28 | WobWork | So the 'fix your registry to reduce lag' thing is Nagle's? |
| 06:42.00 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 06:42.16 | nevcairiel | But it doesnt really improve your latency much, it just makes it look better |
| 06:42.41 | WobWork | in what situations would it -work-, and what doesn't it do right? |
| 06:42.49 | WobWork | it's just a cosmetic change? |
| 06:42.51 | Dagmar | It's also pointless to mess with. |
| 06:43.07 | Dagmar | That changes a default for TCP socket options which doesn't need to be changed. |
| 06:43.20 | nevcairiel | It'll probably show a lower latency in game |
| 06:43.20 | Dagmar | The client now sets that option for it's own socket. |
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| 06:43.40 | nevcairiel | afaik, the client only sets nodelay, not disabling nagle |
| 06:43.50 | nevcairiel | unless thats new since 3.2 or something |
| 06:43.52 | Dagmar | It's a very standard thing to use as a socket option, so they likely had to change *one* line of code to do it in the client. |
| 06:43.53 | Dagmar | It's new. |
| 06:44.05 | WobWork | nevcairiel: 'show' a lower latency? it's not actually lower? |
| 06:44.07 | Dagmar | I didnt' even know what all the fuss was about at first. |
| 06:44.26 | Dagmar | WobWork: Do you know what Nagle's algorithm does? |
| 06:44.30 | nevcairiel | WobWork, well it is a bit lower, but the visual display is much lower, its not really worth much |
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| 06:44.36 | WobWork | I'll assume that most modern game clients would do the same, like Aion? |
| 06:44.41 | Dagmar | It's there to keep small packets from screwing up your throughput. |
| 06:44.43 | Dagmar | WobWork: yes. |
| 06:44.45 | nevcairiel | WobWork, but if the client sets it on its own now, you dont have to worry |
| 06:44.59 | Dagmar | Basically, right now I'm sitting here typing through an ssh session. |
| 06:45.06 | WobWork | character at a time, etc? |
| 06:45.29 | Dagmar | So... every key I press *could possibly* If I had this setup wrong, be sending a packet every time I hit a key |
| 06:45.29 | Dagmar | This would be stupid. |
| 06:45.29 | nevcairiel | Nagle is there to avoid tcp control packages to run around without payload |
| 06:45.29 | nevcairiel | if possible |
| 06:45.32 | Dagmar | Each packet has at minumum a 40 byte IP header. |
| 06:45.33 | WobWork | Dagmar: Wow, it's like you're in the next room! =) |
| 06:45.53 | Dagmar | 40 bytes of overhead, one byte of data. THis is very suboptimal. |
| 06:46.18 | nevcairiel | I would argue that ssh still sends one packet per key, or it would be mighty unresponsive |
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| 06:46.26 | Dagmar | So basically the stack hangs onto packets waiting for more information to put in them for a time determined by the Nagle alg |
| 06:46.30 | Thunder_Child | you can get that with encrypted comms |
| 06:46.37 | Thunder_Child | but it's rare |
| 06:46.50 | Dagmar | When it gets enough or enough time has passed, THEN it sends the packet |
| 06:46.50 | nevcairiel | Nagles main objective is to avoid completly "empty" packets |
| 06:47.02 | nevcairiel | "empty" as in only TCP Control Codes, no payload |
| 06:47.29 | Dagmar | The client will be jibber-jabbering constantly during anything that matters, so Nagel's could actually increase your latency just to get more efficient throughput |
| 06:47.48 | Dagmar | ...but it would never be by much. People just want it that badly. |
| 06:49.10 | tem | tekkub, I fucking hate when you upload addons to wowi without a screenshot |
| 06:49.10 | Dagmar | Time to screenshot yourself doing /rude |
| 06:49.40 | tekkub | k |
| 06:50.54 | tem | I'm not installing his damn addon before I know if it's ugly or not |
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| 06:55.37 | Dagmar | Most of the time it's the functionality you're looking for, not whether or not it's done it's hair up nice. |
| 06:59.25 | tekkub | yea tem, fuh |
| 06:59.56 | tem | Dagmar, I can make the functionality myself |
| 07:00.01 | tem | I just can't get it to look right |
| 07:00.06 | Amarande | gaaaaahhhhh addon hell |
| 07:00.07 | tem | so I wanted to see if someone made a pretty one |
| 07:00.41 | Amarande | 1. every time I try to exit WoW it CRASHES and I have to ctrl-alt-del, select 'start task manager' so I can get my taskbar and close it from there seeing a "WoW is not responding" when I do |
| 07:05.01 | Dagmar | Amaranda: Have you flushed the cache and addons directories? |
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| 07:06.19 | Amarande | Dagmar: you mean reinstall all my addons from scratch that I JUST installed and configured? heh |
| 07:06.40 | Amarande | 2. well ... actually, the second thing I was going to say seems to have stopped |
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| 07:06.52 | Amarande | the first time I logged into my lock after configging things on the druid I got a swatter box related to Bartender4 |
| 07:07.14 | Elkano | Amarande, I heared from Torhal you were looking into replacing GuildFu? |
| 07:08.32 | Dagmar | Amarande: Acutally just renaming the Interface directory does it for a test, so no |
| 07:08.33 | Elkano | and on a side note: BugSack > Swatter (I can't stand Swatter error reports :/ ) |
| 07:08.47 | Amarande | I've discovered so far that the Ara broker addon works fine for the guild |
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| 07:09.15 | Elkano | well, I still use GuildFu myself together with FuBar2Broker |
| 07:10.03 | jnwhiteh | yawns |
| 07:10.07 | Fisker | jnwhiteh |
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| 07:10.25 | Fisker | this is where i dug your grave |
| 07:10.41 | Elkano | ah, morning clad :) |
| 07:10.48 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: k k |
| 07:11.02 | jnwhiteh | Torhal: Elkano: Up for a 3v3 in a few? |
| 07:11.23 | Elkano | hmmm ^^ |
| 07:11.54 | Fisker | WHAT ABOUT MEEEEEEEEE? |
| 07:12.32 | Elkano | a threesome with Fisker? NO WAY! |
| 07:17.58 | jnwhiteh | srsly |
| 07:19.08 | jnwhiteh | if you're on, you can play |
| 07:19.10 | jnwhiteh | mabe :P |
| 07:19.12 | jnwhiteh | maybe :P |
| 07:20.09 | jnwhiteh | we need a clan |
| 07:20.20 | jnwhiteh | I need 4 people with HoN accounts to sign on :P |
| 07:21.01 | Thunder_Child | jnwhiteh, what are you calling it? |
| 07:21.10 | jnwhiteh | dunno, I need ideas :P |
| 07:21.14 | Thunder_Child | [NMP] |
| 07:21.19 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 07:21.23 | Thunder_Child | Not My Problem |
| 07:21.23 | Elkano | to sad you can't join two clans and I'm most likely going to join one with people from another community |
| 07:21.46 | cogwheel | When I sold cutco, the office was right next dore to S2 games ... wasn't exactly a good programmer back then (when they were still working on savage 1) |
| 07:21.47 | Fisker | OYWSYTC |
| 07:21.48 | Elkano | and screw them for not allowing [pOT] as clan tag :/ |
| 07:21.49 | jnwhiteh | heh Elkano is popular |
| 07:22.01 | cogwheel | wonder if they're hiring... >< |
| 07:22.05 | Thunder_Child | 3 char max Fisker |
| 07:22.07 | Thunder_Child | i think |
| 07:22.09 | Fisker | oh :( |
| 07:22.19 | cogwheel | s/dore/door/ |
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| 07:22.42 | Fisker | cogwheel |
| 07:22.46 | cogwheel | NO U! |
| 07:22.52 | jnwhiteh | okay so is anyone playing, or no?/ |
| 07:23.01 | Elkano | I would |
| 07:23.02 | Thunder_Child | i can be, but i want to know the name |
| 07:23.11 | jnwhiteh | well this is playing, not clan |
| 07:23.22 | jnwhiteh | we obv don't have enough to form the clan |
| 07:23.56 | Thunder_Child | sure, one sec |
| 07:24.00 | Elkano | well, I could join and later drop out ;) |
| 07:24.22 | jnwhiteh | then we'd need two more |
| 07:24.23 | Fisker | I GOT IT! |
| 07:24.25 | Fisker | KKK |
| 07:24.35 | jnwhiteh | kkk, not racist, k? |
| 07:24.36 | Fisker | it's 3 characters, offensive, and will get you banned? |
| 07:24.43 | Thunder_Child | jnwhiteh, do you have a channel? |
| 07:25.24 | jnwhiteh | umm let me make one. |
| 07:25.51 | jnwhiteh | chan name "Lua" |
| 07:26.10 | Elkano | hmm LUA as clan name ^^ |
| 07:26.31 | Arrowmaster | you can just say its because Moon was too long |
| 07:26.54 | Arrowmaster | i know bad joke |
| 07:27.16 | jnwhiteh | okay, so this is two of us |
| 07:27.18 | jnwhiteh | Elkano: you coming? |
| 07:27.24 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: ^^ |
| 07:27.43 | Elkano | just finishing fishing daily |
| 07:29.07 | jnwhiteh | what game mode do you guys prefer? |
| 07:29.26 | Thunder_Child | *shrug* anything works |
| 07:29.32 | jnwhiteh | I've been a fan of AR anything, lately |
| 07:29.43 | jnwhiteh | AR on the 3v3 map tends to be interesting. |
| 07:30.11 | Elkano | rather going SD then AR |
| 07:37.38 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: Eh, I tried playing HoN for about an hour and gave up. I wasn't able to learn to play because five minutes into a game people would be voting to kick me out. |
| 07:38.06 | jnwhiteh | aaw =/ |
| 07:38.08 | jnwhiteh | practice mode |
| 07:38.09 | jnwhiteh | or play with us |
| 07:38.12 | jnwhiteh | and i'll tell you :P |
| 07:38.17 | Elkano | yeah ^^ |
| 07:38.46 | Torhal | The funny thing is that I was joining the "NOOBS ONLY!!!" games. |
| 07:39.16 | Fisker | noobs only = ITG We pwn n00bs |
| 07:41.11 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 07:41.14 | jnwhiteh | join the ones that say < 1300 |
| 07:41.16 | jnwhiteh | or < 1400 |
| 07:42.03 | Thunder_Child | no one bitches louder at noobs than other noobs that pretend to be better |
| 07:42.43 | tem | lol |
| 07:42.46 | tem | well said, Thunder_Child |
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| 07:51.34 | Fisker | that was my last game btw Thunder_Child |
| 07:51.50 | Fisker | in hon i were a bit behind because i suck at dota |
| 07:52.05 | Fisker | But then at this point three heroes go after one of ours |
| 07:52.07 | tekkub | damnit zooty |
| 07:52.09 | Fisker | and i just got this sick ultimate |
| 07:52.11 | Fisker | that pwned all 3 |
| 07:52.18 | Fisker | so yay i saved a friend |
| 07:52.19 | tekkub | he posted some pictures on facebook of blizzy people... |
| 07:52.21 | Fisker | or so i thought |
| 07:52.27 | tekkub | I commented about a whiteboard in one |
| 07:52.30 | tekkub | now it's gone |
| 07:52.31 | Fisker | Then i got flamed majorly |
| 07:52.32 | tekkub | that bitch |
| 07:55.13 | Fisker | It was pretty lame |
| 07:55.21 | Fisker | After that they kept trying to get me killed |
| 08:00.07 | Amarande | yay, time to read Dots And You and spec up |
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| 08:31.11 | Elkano | LF1M HoN 3on3... FREE EPIX! |
| 08:31.20 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Elkano |
| 08:31.20 | purl | installs a bad bootloader on Elkano and turns Elkano into a brick |
| 08:31.39 | Elkano | ^^ |
| 08:31.41 | Thunder_Child | where is my "EPIX"? |
| 08:31.59 | Elkano | You were beaten purple at least ;) |
| 08:32.39 | Thunder_Child | *groan* |
| 08:36.07 | Amarande | bah |
| 08:36.20 | Amarande | are there really this few warlock minor glyphs, or is the AH supply of them currently just anemic :S |
| 08:36.56 | olafski | there's like 6 for each class I think |
| 08:37.02 | olafski | I'd check wowhead ;) |
| 08:37.10 | Corrodias2 | rule 34 on H1N1 plox |
| 08:38.05 | Amarande | yeah, the warlock minor glyphs seem to suck :| |
| 08:38.54 | olafski | I'd say drain soul looks good |
| 08:38.57 | olafski | the rest.. not so much |
| 08:39.21 | Dagmar | Most of the minor glyphs just suck that much |
| 08:41.10 | Amarande | yeah, I guess the other four being crap is our balance for Drain Soul being pretty good and Unending Breath being super awesome |
| 08:41.18 | olafski | ^^ |
| 08:41.26 | olafski | minor glyphs are just meant to be minor |
| 08:41.34 | olafski | like thorns being 30 minutes if you cast it on yourself or something |
| 08:41.36 | Amarande | remember that Unending Breath can be trivially kept up permanently |
| 08:41.39 | olafski | hardly gamebreaking but it helps :) |
| 08:41.51 | Amarande | so that's basically a permanent 20% swimspeed boost with virtually no cost |
| 08:41.52 | olafski | yeah but how often are you swimming |
| 08:42.18 | industrial | wtb halps http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Chrome/thread?tid=10028b45c6620fce&hl=en |
| 08:43.28 | industrial | hunter feign death minor is nice |
| 08:43.30 | industrial | -8sec cd |
| 08:44.38 | olafski | yeah :) |
| 08:44.54 | olafski | horn of winter is nice too |
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| 08:54.11 | tekkub | "That was extremely kind of you" ... translation: "tekkub was too lazy to figure out how to bill you for a week of service" |
| 08:55.04 | Arrowmaster | lol |
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| 09:59.26 | tem | sigh |
| 09:59.40 | tem | I wanted to give QuestHelper a try so I could help guildmates when they have a question |
| 09:59.48 | tem | but it's screwing up my chatframe |
| 09:59.55 | tem | changing the font I have set there |
| 10:00.06 | tem | I don't know why or even how but it's infuriating |
| 10:02.36 | tem | uuuuuuuuug |
| 10:02.49 | tem | the chat frame is reporting that it has the font I want it to have |
| 10:02.53 | tem | but it CLEARLY doesn't |
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| 10:17.24 | industrial | tem: really? doesnt do anything with the chat for me :S? cept spam it on login |
| 10:18.42 | tem | it also appears to be breaking tourguide |
| 10:18.58 | tem | and making my quest objections area a non-working mess |
| 10:19.01 | tem | fuck this addon |
| 10:20.11 | tem | ... no? |
| 10:20.22 | tem | TourGuide is breaking itself somehow? |
| 10:20.36 | tem | telling me to pick up a quest I'm on |
| 10:25.06 | tem | sncrew this I'm going to bed |
| 10:28.11 | industrial | nn |
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| 11:23.24 | Kalroth | [13:15] <FlyOnZeWall> ok, who recognizes themselves? |
| 11:23.25 | Kalroth | [13:15] <FlyOnZeWall> http://www.questionablecontent.net/comics/1490.png |
| 11:24.53 | industrial | is that the raid/4chan one? |
| 11:24.59 | industrial | me. |
| 11:25.00 | industrial | :p |
| 11:25.19 | Kalroth | :P |
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| 11:29.19 | Ycarene | I want to disconnect the minimap buttons from the minimap and either line them up or set their locations individually. |
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| 11:34.19 | Lukian | there's a few addons for that |
| 11:38.12 | Ycarene | So, what are data broker addons? |
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| 11:51.16 | Adys | The inline auto-complete feature for the mail system has been added back into the game. The mail system will now have both the pre- and post-3.2.0 auto-complete features available. |
| 11:51.17 | Adys | THANK GOD |
| 11:51.41 | Adys | A new Battleground will not launch until the maximum number of players on each side are in the queue (i.e. 40 players per side for Alterac Valley). |
| 11:51.46 | Adys | Someone is smoking |
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| 12:11.21 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/imagesrachel_and_house_large.jpg |
| 12:13.18 | Fisker | why is someone smoking Adys? :o |
| 12:13.44 | Adys | isle of conquest is never going to start in my battlegroup |
| 12:13.56 | Adys | we never have more than 25-30ish players in it |
| 12:14.33 | Fisker | :o |
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| 12:14.36 | Adys | mikma: awesome* |
| 12:14.54 | Adys | time to downgrade drivers |
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| 12:52.54 | zenzelezz | why hello there, miss Lopeppeppy |
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| 12:54.50 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, dear. |
| 12:55.47 | Kraps | Morning on this rainy friday |
| 12:57.33 | Kraps | it's 9/11 |
| 12:58.06 | zenzelezz | over here it's 11/9 |
| 12:58.31 | Kraps | ~lart zenzelezz |
| 12:58.31 | purl | beats zenzelezz severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
| 12:58.48 | zenzelezz | it's true |
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| 13:00.35 | Kraps | kanye west is practically a modern-day philosipher i tell you http://www.finestquotes.com/author_quotes-author-Kanye%20West-page-0.htm |
| 13:02.04 | Kraps | spellcheck spelled philosopher wrong |
| 13:03.17 | zenzelezz | I haven't trusted spell checkers since Office 2000 or so |
| 13:03.29 | zenzelezz | when they completely broke the Norwegian spell checker's grammar |
| 13:03.58 | zenzelezz | thanks to that people here are dividing words all over, like the English do, when in Norwegian the words should be joined |
| 13:04.02 | foxlit | wonders why a spelling checker is expected to understand grammar. |
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| 13:04.55 | zenzelezz | because it's too tiresome to write "spelling and grammar checker" |
| 13:05.15 | zenzelezz | besides, I don't recall if Word actually considers them separate entities or not; been too long since I used it |
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| 13:09.51 | foxlit | To be fair, what you wanted is still classified as spelling |
| 13:10.46 | foxlit | my new badge-sponsored shoulders come with two bags. |
| 13:10.54 | foxlit | Yet I get no new bag slots. Scam, clearly. |
| 13:11.13 | Mikk | Yeah same shit in sweden (unsurprisingly, swedish and norwegian are close enough that they'd be considered dialects if there wasn't a country border in between) |
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| 13:12.04 | Mikk | You get lovely things like "Brown, hairy, sick nurse looking for <...>" where it should have been "Brown-haired (sick-)nurse looking for <...>" |
| 13:12.14 | Kraps | foxlit: what? |
| 13:12.23 | zenzelezz | Mikk: hehe |
| 13:12.57 | zenzelezz | "Husk, vær forsiktig med orddeling - for du vil vel ikke ha 'pult ost'?" |
| 13:13.10 | Mikk | skrivihop.nu |
| 13:13.14 | foxlit | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47712#modelviewer |
| 13:14.11 | Kraps | commando style |
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| 13:16.35 | Kraps | yo i heard you like to dps so we put axes in your axes so you can dps while you dps http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47493 |
| 13:17.41 | Fisker | moo: ram: 4176/12279.1MB (34.01%) [|||-------] |
| 13:19.40 | Jelly_ | WTF\Account\IVORYPET (or michelle98@gmail.com)\Saved Variables\Accountant.lua(Accountant.lua.bak) |
| 13:19.49 | Jelly_ | Well, I'm awesome. |
| 13:21.09 | Lopeppeppy | mrph? |
| 13:21.49 | |Jelly| | eh, roomie is all "My addon is messed up. How do I make it to where I can start all over with it?" so yeah .. |
| 13:23.45 | Lopeppeppy | Nuke 'em from orbit, it's the only way to be sure. |
| 13:23.48 | |Jelly| | BTW Peppy: /hug |
| 13:24.29 | |Jelly| | When you posted, my phone texted me and it woke me up! So I'm going to blame you for being tired all day. :P |
| 13:25.20 | Lopeppeppy | Silly bear, turn off your phone before you go to bed! *hug* |
| 13:25.41 | zenzelezz | all of a sudden Ivorypet got a lot of e-mails |
| 13:26.01 | |Jelly| | Eh, it wouldn't be the worst thing that's ever happened to her, I'm sure. |
| 13:26.12 | Kraps | who? |
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| 13:50.45 | Ackis | hi everybody! |
| 13:51.12 | Lopeppeppy | Mornin. |
| 13:51.48 | Ackis | I watched a movie last night about black soldiers in WW2 |
| 13:51.53 | Ackis | miracle in st anna or something |
| 13:51.56 | Lopeppeppy | Which one? |
| 13:51.58 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. |
| 13:52.12 | Ackis | good movie, a bit too long (2.5 hours) |
| 13:52.23 | Ackis | but it's making me want a chocalate giant now :( |
| 13:52.55 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 13:53.09 | Ackis | that's what one of the "locals" call this huge black soldier |
| 13:53.29 | Ackis | and then he licked him and was like "Wtf you don't taste like chocalate" |
| 13:53.49 | zenzelezz | "chocolate giant", is that what you kids call it these days? |
| 13:55.03 | Ackis | :P |
| 13:55.09 | Lopeppeppy | nom nom nom? |
| 13:58.48 | |Jelly| | Hey Ackis! *a bit late, I know :P* |
| 13:59.27 | zenzelezz | my brother was late for work today because he fell asleep at the bus stop |
| 14:00.22 | Lopeppeppy | That's pretty.... bad. |
| 14:00.26 | Lopeppeppy | I couldn't go to sleep in public. |
| 14:00.44 | zenzelezz | this is Norway, it's not as bad here. But yeah, still not the best idea |
| 14:01.21 | Lopeppeppy | Girls have higher standards of "let's not do this in public" sometimes. |
| 14:01.30 | Ackis | when I was in university I'd always fall asleep on the bus |
| 14:02.07 | Ackis | on a side note, why is it taking HR a long time to answer my question of "will I be working with the person who assaulted me and was convicted of aggrivated assault when I move back to my old position?" |
| 14:02.41 | olafski | ackis: got any nice games last night? :) |
| 14:02.41 | Lopeppeppy | I'm having similar issues today Ackis, believe it or not... ask a question, please to give me a freakin' ANSWER!!! |
| 14:02.56 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Ackis |
| 14:03.02 | Ackis | olafski: we spent $250ish :P lol |
| 14:03.06 | olafski | :O |
| 14:03.22 | olafski | that's like 5-6 new games or 10 older ones? |
| 14:03.39 | Ackis | fable, fable 2, oblivion game of the year, turok, madden 2k9, raw vs smackdown 2k7 and 2800 points |
| 14:03.53 | Ackis | there may be a couple more that I don't remember |
| 14:03.54 | Ackis | lol |
| 14:04.31 | Ackis | we got home, installed a couple of them while we ate/did a few dailies in wow then we watched a movie lol |
| 14:05.33 | olafski | :O |
| 14:05.34 | olafski | turok.. ouch :P |
| 14:05.40 | olafski | 2800 points for some nice arcade games? |
| 14:06.04 | Ackis | chantelle said the gamecube turok was "fun as hell" and it was $8 only |
| 14:06.21 | Ackis | not sure what we'll get tbh, we're just looking through things now |
| 14:06.26 | olafski | ah ok :) |
| 14:06.28 | Ackis | might get addons for games we have already |
| 14:06.32 | olafski | that works |
| 14:06.41 | olafski | they're releasing fable 2 as episodic game later this month too |
| 14:06.42 | Ackis | brb need to update flash |
| 14:06.45 | olafski | but I guess that's a bit late for you :) |
| 14:13.37 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, nice fail.... NSFW. http://failblog.org/2009/09/11/classic-lit-fail/ |
| 14:14.15 | zenzelezz | hehe |
| 14:14.18 | zenzelezz | I want this: http://failblog.org/2009/09/10/tnmt-win/ |
| 14:14.44 | Ackis | and I'm back |
| 14:14.49 | Ackis | miss me? |
| 14:14.50 | Ackis | muhah |
| 14:14.56 | Ackis | I know it doesn't look like I left |
| 14:14.58 | Ackis | but... I DID |
| 14:15.14 | zenzelezz | I know, we were just getting our hopes up |
| 14:15.43 | olafski | hai! |
| 14:15.58 | olafski | you did that with mibbit oO |
| 14:16.10 | Lopeppeppy | Ribbit. |
| 14:16.15 | Lopeppeppy | I think mibbit is banned from freenode. |
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| 14:16.31 | Ackis | I'm connected to Kaelten's ZNC |
| 14:16.31 | olafski | it says mibbit on his version reply though |
| 14:16.51 | Ackis | :P |
| 14:17.01 | Ackis | so with fable 2, what's the difference between the premium addons and the free ones? |
| 14:17.12 | Lopeppeppy | have to pay? |
| 14:17.22 | Ackis | tha'ts one difference yes |
| 14:17.24 | olafski | the free ones are.. let's find a nice analogy |
| 14:17.36 | olafski | you mean free knothole island vs premium knothole island and such? |
| 14:17.43 | Ackis | yup |
| 14:17.48 | olafski | can't think of an analogy :P |
| 14:18.03 | olafski | if you want to play with someone who has the premium version of one, you need to have at least the free one |
| 14:18.04 | Ackis | what would I be missing between the two? |
| 14:18.15 | olafski | so you have the weapon models and maps etc |
| 14:18.23 | olafski | but without the premium version you can't do any quests or get achievements from it I think |
| 14:18.46 | Ackis | ah ok |
| 14:19.02 | Ackis | 800 points for them though seems steep |
| 14:19.02 | Ackis | steap? |
| 14:19.04 | olafski | they're making fable 2 episodic this month though, very nice idea |
| 14:19.05 | Ackis | stepe? |
| 14:19.07 | Ackis | penis |
| 14:19.09 | olafski | steep* I think |
| 14:19.14 | Ackis | what do you ean by episodic? |
| 14:19.34 | olafski | they make the first "chapter" free for download |
| 14:19.41 | olafski | then if you like it you can buy the next chapter for say 500 MSP |
| 14:19.49 | olafski | once you finish that you can buy the next, etc |
| 14:19.50 | Ackis | ah |
| 14:20.01 | Ackis | yah we picked up the "limited collectors edition" |
| 14:20.05 | olafski | I would've waited for that (got my fable 2 last week) but I have a small HDD so no point |
| 14:20.16 | Ackis | we also got the "limited" collectors edition for gta 4 haha |
| 14:20.23 | Ackis | and madden 2k9 |
| 14:20.28 | Ackis | gotta love these limited runs eh? |
| 14:20.29 | olafski | no crackdown though? :( |
| 14:20.32 | olafski | hells yeah ;) |
| 14:20.36 | Ackis | no, not yet |
| 14:20.50 | olafski | fable 2 is actually quite nice, I hadn't expected that |
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| 14:20.53 | Ackis | I did download the magic the gathering demo last night lol |
| 14:22.17 | olafski | :) |
| 14:22.53 | Ackis | have you tried that one? |
| 14:23.03 | olafski | no.. didn't seem like my type of game |
| 14:23.16 | Seerah | hubby's been playing the Magic game on Live |
| 14:23.27 | Ackis | Seerah: do you have to buy cards extra? |
| 14:23.28 | olafski | I'm looking at my game list to see if I can recommend any arcade titles |
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| 14:23.40 | Ackis | hehe |
| 14:23.40 | Lopeppeppy | I never liked it as a game version, I prefer to have cards I can touch and little glass beads and dice and stuff... |
| 14:23.46 | Seerah | iirc, he got decks unlocked...... |
| 14:23.47 | olafski | I bought DOOM, quite a good classic imo |
| 14:23.54 | Seerah | or special cards |
| 14:23.57 | Seerah | or both... :) |
| 14:24.02 | Ackis | ah |
| 14:24.32 | olafski | also Ikaruga is awesome if you like hard unforgiving games ;) |
| 14:24.47 | Ackis | no I like easy ones like wow |
| 14:24.48 | alestane | "LF1M healer for reg ToC...no need to be geared, just have a pulse please." |
| 14:25.17 | p3lim | lua> print(1e4) |
| 14:25.17 | lua_bot | p3lim: 10000 |
| 14:25.20 | olafski | ackis: then check out kingdom for keflings |
| 14:25.27 | olafski | and viva pinata (not an arcade game :)) |
| 14:25.27 | Ackis | hah |
| 14:26.15 | foxlit | http://survivingtheworld.net/Recitation27.jpg |
| 14:26.17 | olafski | VP looks like a kiddie game but it's quite great imo |
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| 14:28.23 | Lopeppeppy | kiddie games can be fun. |
| 14:28.36 | olafski | that too :) |
| 14:28.39 | Lopeppeppy | There's some stick figure defend your castle thing that I play sometimes with friends on their Wii. Hilarious. |
| 14:28.40 | olafski | but VP has quite some depth |
| 14:28.53 | Lopeppeppy | And some little flowers game, they crashed in an alien ship. |
| 14:31.16 | olafski | oohh |
| 14:31.19 | olafski | pikmin :D |
| 14:31.33 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, that one. |
| 14:31.44 | Lopeppeppy | Throw the flowers around, drown them, fetch ship parts. |
| 14:32.25 | olafski | very nice game |
| 14:32.29 | olafski | the "happy" version of Overlord :) |
| 14:33.27 | Ackis | I played overlord 2 for the PC was a lot of fun |
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| 14:41.19 | olafski | oh you got 55 points already :D |
| 14:45.11 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/185305922 |
| 14:45.30 | Ackis | olafski: that's 2 achievements |
| 14:45.36 | olafski | yer =) |
| 14:45.43 | Ackis | the first mission in gta 4 and getting out of the sewers in oblivion lol |
| 14:46.17 | Lopeppeppy | Achievements? |
| 14:46.28 | Ackis | xbox 360 ones |
| 14:46.53 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, you're weird. |
| 14:47.12 | Ackis | and you like me! :P so that makes you weird too! HAH |
| 14:48.19 | Lopeppeppy | Hah. |
| 14:48.29 | Lopeppeppy | If you love me, you'll do something about the chairs. |
| 14:48.44 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:50.25 | olafski | ackis: I added your gamertag to my stalker app so I can track which games you play =) |
| 14:50.34 | olafski | o |
| 14:50.37 | olafski | ehh. mt |
| 14:51.00 | Lopeppeppy | Stalker!! |
| 14:51.04 | olafski | 38k gold in fable 2.. soon I will be able to buy the blacksmith |
| 14:51.46 | olafski | oh btw Shadow Complex is a great arcade title too :) |
| 14:55.07 | Ackis | olafski: lol stalker app? |
| 14:55.11 | Ackis | gamerdna? |
| 14:55.24 | olafski | oh dunno if they do that too |
| 14:55.38 | olafski | I wrote a little api app which polls a few gamertags every couple of minutes and keeps track of how long they play each game |
| 14:55.41 | Ackis | yah gamerdna you can input things like steam, xfire, etc |
| 14:56.21 | Ackis | iirc it used to be called guildcafe or something heh |
| 14:56.44 | Ackis | Ackis played The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (X360) for the first time on 10/SEP/09 |
| 14:57.12 | olafski | they had something like the eye or something which showed playing times too |
| 14:57.29 | olafski | my app only works for a few people though cause the api I'm using is kinda slow |
| 14:57.37 | olafski | update times might become longer than the interval :) |
| 14:58.00 | Ackis | ah |
| 14:58.55 | Ackis | I don't really follow gamerdna much but I do add my ID's to it so it auto tracks my steam/xfire/xbox playing |
| 14:59.22 | olafski | ah I for some reason don't like the site :P |
| 14:59.26 | olafski | I had a blog at 360voice.com though |
| 14:59.53 | Ackis | don't even know what that is ;) |
| 15:00.06 | Ackis | oh I showed chantelle the halo odst live action trailer lol wow |
| 15:00.07 | p3lim | how the hell can 802411 % 1e2 be a boolean? |
| 15:00.14 | Ackis | we were able to watch on the tv :D |
| 15:00.30 | olafski | 360voice checks your gamertag every day and checks which games you played during that day |
| 15:00.39 | olafski | and then writes a blog post from the perspective of your xbox |
| 15:01.02 | Ackis | lol |
| 15:01.10 | olafski | ArtFull Olafski likes to game, I like to game, this is a match made in heaven! It takes a gamer score like 17,575 to be as cool as him. That is a gain of 175 points over last time! He rocked out to Scene It? BOS! finishing 4 achievements, Defense Grid, Fable II gaining 3 achievements, as well as stared off into space... thinking about the one that got away. |
| 15:01.22 | Ackis | I was thinking of getting an action replay to dick around, however it sees I'll get banned |
| 15:01.46 | olafski | what's that? |
| 15:01.57 | Lopeppeppy | Hax |
| 15:02.03 | Ackis | game genie, or a trainer |
| 15:02.04 | Fisker | kisses Ackis |
| 15:02.09 | olafski | hmm |
| 15:02.11 | Ackis | frenches Fisker |
| 15:02.26 | Ackis | i remember on the nes you could do weird/fun things with the game genie |
| 15:03.37 | Ackis | 360voice.com is covered under all policies of GamerDNA, Inc.. We aren't trying to do anything crazy... this is just a website where we publish the public data your console spits out. You probably don't have to read all the legal stuff, but we wanted to give you the links incase you did. |
| 15:03.39 | Ackis | lol |
| 15:05.07 | olafski | yeah :> |
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| 15:07.56 | olafski | 40k gold.. I'm making money while studying |
| 15:08.31 | Lopeppeppy | That seems wrongly |
| 15:08.33 | Ackis | the guy at the store told me to go into your system, put your time forward a month or something and then go into the game |
| 15:08.39 | Ackis | you can't be connected to live though? |
| 15:08.58 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 15:09.08 | Ackis | I love you Fisker |
| 15:09.14 | Ackis | can I have your ass babies? |
| 15:09.27 | Fisker | sure |
| 15:09.33 | Fisker | 2 trolls 1 cup? |
| 15:09.34 | olafski | ackis: doh, yeah that could work I guess |
| 15:09.36 | olafski | but I don't like cheating |
| 15:09.41 | olafski | even in "singleplayer" games |
| 15:09.47 | olafski | so I just leave fable running while I study |
| 15:09.55 | Fisker | that's cheating |
| 15:09.57 | olafski | did the same with viva pinata and beautiful katamari to get the 50/100hr played achievements |
| 15:10.02 | Fisker | that's cheating |
| 15:10.08 | cog|sleep | Ackises Fisker |
| 15:10.18 | Fisker | kiss my ass? |
| 15:10.33 | Ackis | olafski: I haven't done it, it's just what the guy said (I guess getting a castle is hard?) |
| 15:10.45 | olafski | no clue |
| 15:10.49 | olafski | didn't even know you could buy a castle :) |
| 15:11.12 | olafski | if you buy property, you get income every 5 min |
| 15:11.27 | olafski | I'm saving for the blacksmith now cause apparently that yields a lot of money |
| 15:11.33 | olafski | so I can use that to buy the rest.. :) |
| 15:11.42 | olafski | anywho, gotta go buy tickets for harry potter and eat and such.. njoy |
| 15:11.45 | Fisker | fable is shit |
| 15:12.03 | Lukian | Fisker is shit |
| 15:12.16 | Lukian | it's 12/9 here |
| 15:12.18 | Fisker | My hat is a bird your argument is invalid |
| 15:12.59 | Lukian | well that explains why you are shit.. you are covered in bird poop from that bird on your head! |
| 15:13.09 | Fisker | i made you a fart |
| 15:13.15 | Lukian | but I eated it? |
| 15:13.32 | Fisker | yes you did |
| 15:13.42 | Lukian | I do like cookies |
| 15:17.07 | cog|sleep | people = shit |
| 15:17.37 | Kraps | what is this i dont even |
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| 15:23.56 | |Jelly| | hugs cog|sleep. |
| 15:24.50 | Lopeppeppy | Wow... that's not a happy morning thought, cogwheel. *hug* |
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| 15:39.11 | Fisker | you want happy? |
| 15:40.15 | Lopeppeppy | Yes please. *sigh* Today is sucky |
| 15:40.42 | cog|sleep | hugs |Jelly| |
| 15:40.54 | cog|sleep | Lopeppeppy: it was in context 5 minutes before i wrote it >< |
| 15:41.13 | cog|sleep | oh and i guess you couldn't hear the Richard Cheese music playing in my head |
| 15:41.14 | cog|sleep | :P |
| 15:41.29 | Lopeppeppy | People do suck, darlin'. Trust me, today is all about people sucking. |
| 15:41.38 | cog|sleep | rawr |
| 15:41.42 | Lopeppeppy | makes threats about scum-sucking bottom dwelling lawyers. |
| 15:42.17 | harl | murr |
| 15:43.22 | Ackis | wow Cairenn|afk I only read 22 on that list |
| 15:43.29 | Ackis | I know what a lot more are about by reading about them |
| 15:43.32 | Ackis | but man I fail |
| 15:43.33 | Lopeppeppy | loves kamdis! |
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| 15:47.08 | Ackis | *** Vangual joined #wowuidev <-- I totally read that wrong |
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| 15:47.28 | Vangual | in what way? |
| 15:47.41 | Ackis | mind in the gutter way |
| 15:50.11 | Lopeppeppy | I can't see it, Ackis, whisper me! |
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| 15:58.07 | Shirik | I don't see it either |
| 15:58.13 | Shirik | I think Ackis is just strange |
| 15:58.34 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, he has a broken brain pan. |
| 15:58.45 | Ackis | :( |
| 15:59.14 | Lopeppeppy | "They shot me... in me brain pan." Quote from where? |
| 16:00.25 | Lopeppeppy | afk lunchings! |
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| 16:22.27 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/09/10/funny-pictures-in-the-barrel/ |
| 16:22.46 | Lopeppeppy | Poor marmalade cat. |
| 16:24.18 | Lunessa | http://graphjam.com/2009/09/11/song-chart-memes-advertisements-cheezburger/ |
| 16:25.49 | Lopeppeppy | Mew? |
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| 16:26.41 | Lukian | pets Lopeppeppy |
| 16:26.48 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, thank you. |
| 16:27.00 | Lukian | curls up and sleeps! |
| 16:27.11 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy |
| 16:27.19 | Shirik | is escared of Lopeppeppy |
| 16:27.24 | Lopeppeppy | is a stalkers! |
| 16:32.21 | Shirik | I just sent in a document that requests $300k worth of equipment for free :/ |
| 16:32.33 | Lopeppeppy | ... how do you think that's going to turn out? |
| 16:32.55 | Shirik | well we're going to find out |
| 16:33.11 | Lopeppeppy | What kind of equipment? |
| 16:33.31 | Shirik | we won the "Most innovative design" award last year at the competition from this company, and then they told us "Let us know what you need to implement it and we'll get you there." |
| 16:33.38 | Shirik | So here we are :/ |
| 16:33.41 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. *nod* |
| 16:33.53 | Lopeppeppy | Well, they might come across with half. |
| 16:34.16 | Shirik | Well fortunately a lot of it is software, so I think they should be on the side of "well we're really not losing anything..." |
| 16:35.11 | Shirik | however, they've already given us $500k in equipment last year so |
| 16:35.12 | Shirik | lol |
| 16:35.51 | sag_ich_nicht | haha |
| 16:35.56 | sag_ich_nicht | what are you implementing. |
| 16:38.03 | Shirik | "The IDEA system is designed to access GPS, traffic, and weather information and is equipped with a RFID (Radio Frequency Identification) ability to identify drivers by vehicle key. The system will record for each driver fuel economy values for historical routes, terrain, and weather. The IDEA system is forward-looking, and will predict the best operating mode for an expected vehicle route, without input from the |
| 16:38.29 | Shirik | We're creating an additional component in a car's control system that tries to predict the future to improve efficiency |
| 16:38.36 | sag_ich_nicht | cut off at " without input from the " |
| 16:38.48 | sag_ich_nicht | enjoy your heuristics |
| 16:38.48 | Shirik | without input from the driver." |
| 16:39.03 | Shirik | Our simulations have shown a pretty decent improvement |
| 16:40.57 | theorbtwo | Shirik: Easy for simulation to not match reality terribly well. |
| 16:41.28 | theorbtwo | notes that the system doesn't seem to modify on time-of-day, which seems a pretty big factor. |
| 16:41.32 | theorbtwo | Nor day-of-week. |
| 16:42.05 | Shirik | That's incorrect, theorbtwo |
| 16:42.10 | Shirik | it does |
| 16:42.20 | Lunessa | ".. she rocked out to Wham. Not a big Limp Bizkit fan." |
| 16:42.29 | Shirik | How would we discuss traffic if we didn't? |
| 16:42.34 | Shirik | Oh traffic isn't listed there |
| 16:42.46 | Shirik | well, that one sentence isn't sufficient to give you the whole system :) |
| 16:43.02 | theorbtwo | Traffic is listed in the "designed to access", but not the "will record". |
| 16:43.10 | theorbtwo | It does sound like a very interesting system. |
| 16:43.11 | Shirik | well it will :P |
| 16:43.35 | Shirik | Anyway, we're using industry standard simulation tools and the system simply follows logic (if you just think about it, it SHOULD improve efficiency) so |
| 16:43.37 | theorbtwo | Would be interesting to wire it into the navigation computer, to tell it what routes suck and are best avoided. |
| 16:43.44 | Shirik | that's all we can go off of until we actually do it |
| 16:43.51 | theorbtwo | Quite so. |
| 16:44.16 | theorbtwo | It sounds like a very interesting system. I wonder if I'll ever get to drive it. |
| 16:44.58 | Shirik | gotta go |
| 16:45.00 | Shirik | more discussion later |
| 16:45.01 | theorbtwo | (That's not just a question of how long it takes to make it into a production car, the much harder question is how long until it makes it into a proudction car that I'll be able to actually drive.) |
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| 16:57.16 | Ackis | lua> foo = { ["a"] = {[1] = 3},["b"] = {[1] = 2}, ["c"] = foo["a"]}; foo["c"][1] |
| 16:57.16 | lua_bot | Ackis: luabot:1: '=' expected near '<eof>' |
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| 16:58.34 | Ackis | so I can't do a reverse relationship like that |
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| 16:58.41 | industrial | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLec45YPkqs&fmt=18 |
| 16:58.44 | industrial | my fav number atm |
| 16:58.54 | industrial | I think its a n incredible piece of music! |
| 16:58.57 | industrial | \m/ o_O \m/ |
| 17:00.14 | mikma | yeah, i listened exactly 5 seconds :) |
| 17:00.46 | Adys | I went as far as 35 seconds |
| 17:01.31 | industrial | oh but from 1:50 is so nice the solo is epic |
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| 17:01.57 | industrial | I can only grin widely when listening to this ^__________^ |
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| 17:05.36 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/09/11/funny-pictures-bliss-2/ |
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| 17:09.46 | Cairenn|afk | Ackis: :) |
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| 17:19.20 | Cairenn | A blonde was weed-eating her yard and accidentally cut off the tail of her cat which was hiding in the grass. She rushed her cat, along with the tail, over to Wal-Mart! Why Wal-Mart?? Helloooooooooooooo? |
| 17:19.20 | Cairenn | Wal-Mart is the largest re-tailer in the world!!! |
| 17:19.34 | Ackis | ... |
| 17:19.35 | Lunessa | ... |
| 17:19.44 | Slafsinator | hahahahahahaha |
| 17:20.40 | Lunessa | So a blonde, sick of being the butt of jokes dyes her hair brown and moves to a small farming town. She does quite well there. One day driving past a field of sheep she notices they have new lambs and decides she must have one. |
| 17:20.52 | cog|sleep | ⦠|
| 17:20.58 | Cairenn | heh, heard this one before |
| 17:21.05 | Lunessa | She asks the farmer "If I can accurately guess the number of sheep in your flock, can I have a lamb?" |
| 17:21.58 | Lunessa | The farmer agrees. The blonde carefully eyes the flock and says "You have 315 sheep" - The farmer is impressed because she's right, and true to his word lets her choose a lamb. |
| 17:22.40 | Lunessa | After considering the merits of all the lambs she chooses one. Then the farmer asks "Ma'am, if I can accurately tell you the true color of your hair, will you return my dog?" |
| 17:22.59 | nevcairiel | hahaha |
| 17:23.02 | Slafsinator | hahahahaha |
| 17:24.10 | cog|sleep | the funny thing about that is our dog, depending on his haircut, looks like a lamb |
| 17:24.31 | kdtresh | three old ladies are sitting at a bus stop |
| 17:24.31 | mikma | they taste the same anyway |
| 17:24.35 | kdtresh | a guy walks up and flashes them |
| 17:24.39 | kdtresh | the first two have strokes |
| 17:24.40 | mikma | hhahahahah |
| 17:24.41 | mikma | good one. |
| 17:24.43 | kdtresh | and the third one can't reach! |
| 17:24.45 | kdtresh | http://instantrimshot.com/ |
| 17:25.24 | kdtresh | won't quit his day job. |
| 17:26.41 | Lunessa | Once, for open mic night at a comedy club, I took my guitar climbed up on stage, played a chord and said into the mic "Ladies and Gentlemen, for years I've suffered for my music. Tonight, it's your turn." |
| 17:26.50 | Lunessa | I got pulled from the stage. |
| 17:27.25 | Cairenn | lol |
| 17:27.55 | Seerah | hehe |
| 17:29.07 | Cairenn | kd3: ping? |
| 17:29.19 | Lunessa | It's pretty good that they pulled me. I didn't have much else lined up for a routine. |
| 17:30.07 | devZero | An old woman, and an old man are sitting on the porch. The old woman reaches over, and slaps the old man knocking him out of his chair. The old man looks over and asks, "What was that for?!". The old woman says. "For having a little pecker.". A few minutes go by, and the old man reaches over and slaps the old woman, knocking her from her chair. The old woman looks over and asks, "What was THAT for?!". The old man says, "For knowing better." |
| 17:31.24 | devZero | ... Touch crowd. |
| 17:31.29 | devZero | tough* |
| 17:31.38 | Lunessa | *snicker* |
| 17:31.51 | Lunessa | Working a room is hard, but I warmed 'em up for you. |
| 17:32.05 | devZero | more like wore them out |
| 17:32.07 | devZero | :P |
| 17:32.07 | Legorol | if we are into blonde jokes, here they go: |
| 17:32.47 | Legorol | A blonde gets on a plane, and without regard to her seat reservation, sits down in the middle of the first class. |
| 17:33.09 | Legorol | The stewardess, somewhat troubled, tries to politely let her know that her reservation is for economy class, further back along the cabin. The blonde replies: |
| 17:33.15 | Legorol | "I'm cute, I'm blonde, I'm staying" |
| 17:33.36 | Legorol | The stewardess, not knowing what to do, enlists the cabin manager's help, who tries without success. |
| 17:33.44 | Legorol | They decide to turn to the captain for help |
| 17:34.02 | Legorol | He comes out of the cockpit and whispers something into the blonde's ear, who promptly stands up and trots to her proper seat at the back. |
| 17:34.22 | Legorol | Amazed, the stewardess asks the captain what he said to the blonde, to which he replies: |
| 17:34.48 | Legorol | "Well, I had a look at her ticket and she is only flying till Amsterdam. So I told her that the first class section doesn't stop there." |
| 17:34.57 | kd3 | Cairenn, pong |
| 17:35.05 | Lunessa | Oy! |
| 17:35.07 | Legorol | that was supposed to be the punchline :( |
| 17:35.36 | Tepel | hmm, I would have expected something related to the size of boobs and the balance of the plain |
| 17:35.44 | Tepel | plane |
| 17:35.45 | Tepel | even |
| 17:36.05 | Tepel | But maybe I'm just sexist |
| 17:36.37 | Seerah | maybe... or maybe you miss the general point of blond jokes ;) |
| 17:38.03 | Cairenn | Adys: ping? |
| 17:38.25 | Tepel | How does a blonde start her Windows PC? |
| 17:38.30 | Tepel | By removing the curtains! |
| 17:38.43 | Tepel | That's the only one I remember |
| 17:40.55 | Lunessa | How can you tell if the office blonde was using your computer? Whiteout on the screen. |
| 17:40.55 | zenzelezz | Cairenn is on a ping spree o_O |
| 17:41.05 | Cairenn | :) |
| 17:41.18 | Lunessa | Why is the blonde's belly-button sore? Her boyfriend is blonde too. |
| 17:41.26 | Legorol | ouch! |
| 17:41.35 | Legorol | that's an image i did not need |
| 17:41.47 | Tepel | Let me replace it, think tubgirl |
| 17:41.55 | Cairenn | ewwwwwwwwwww |
| 17:42.01 | kd3 | wince |
| 17:42.04 | kd3 | wince again |
| 17:42.14 | kd3 | looks for some brain bleach to go with the cold medicine |
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| 17:42.59 | Tepel | That which has been seen cannot be unseen! |
| 17:43.00 | zenzelezz | we were sitting around a table in the cafeteria having lunch earlier this year, when our sales guy went "so a friend introduced me to 'two girls one cup'..." |
| 17:43.08 | Lunessa | wants a cheeseburger and fries. Will settle for a soda and a bag of chips. |
| 17:44.48 | cog|work | wants a 12 oz. ribeye rare-medium-rare |
| 17:45.19 | Lopeppeppy | wants.... a vacations! |
| 17:45.28 | alestane | "2 girls, 1 CPU." |
| 17:45.37 | Lopeppeppy | packages some soup for kd3 |
| 17:45.39 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: i hear California is nice this time of year |
| 17:45.40 | Slafsinator | wants yankees and their kind to start using the metric system |
| 17:45.41 | cog|work | <.< |
| 17:45.42 | cog|work | >.> |
| 17:46.07 | kd3 | isn't cali still in the season between summer and fall? |
| 17:46.08 | kd3 | 'fire'? |
| 17:46.10 | Lopeppeppy | cog|work, I think California is nice any time of the year. |
| 17:46.16 | Dagmar | Yes. |
| 17:46.16 | Lopeppeppy | ~kalb |
| 17:46.18 | Legorol | is still pure. |
| 17:46.18 | Dagmar | Fire Season. |
| 17:46.22 | cog|work | ~kd3++ |
| 17:46.24 | Dagmar | You can tell because all the grass is yellow. |
| 17:46.27 | Lopeppeppy | ~weather kalb |
| 17:46.27 | Legorol | I have refused to watch 2 girls 1 cup or any variations |
| 17:46.32 | Legorol | I hope to stay uncorrupted |
| 17:46.41 | Legorol | but the descriptions alone are enough to put me off my meal |
| 17:47.43 | Seerah | mmmm.... 57F |
| 17:47.48 | Seerah | ~weather kmem |
| 17:47.59 | zenzelezz | ~weather encn |
| 17:48.08 | Cairenn | ~weather kyow |
| 17:48.08 | Tepel | Meh, it wasn't that bad |
| 17:48.13 | Tepel | I've seen worse |
| 17:48.16 | zenzelezz | I lose :-( |
| 17:48.58 | Dagmar | Looks pretty nice there actually |
| 17:49.15 | Dagmar | No vikings in the forecast at all. That's good. |
| 17:49.24 | Lopeppeppy | viking is a verb. |
| 17:49.40 | Adys | Cairenn: pong |
| 17:50.00 | Dagmar | If you're a bot, sure. |
| 17:50.19 | cog|work | re: fire season: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2009/09/wildfires_in_southern_californ.html |
| 17:50.43 | cog|work | 1st shot looks like a volcano erupting behind LA |
| 17:52.00 | Legorol | ~weather egsc |
| 17:52.04 | zenzelezz | vikings Lopeppeppy |
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| 17:52.38 | Legorol | only 18 C? it feels warmer |
| 17:54.06 | Lunessa | Fire looks like a living liquid creature in some of those photos. |
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| 17:55.47 | Lopeppeppy | It is, more or less. |
| 17:58.12 | dardack | test |
| 17:58.39 | Lopeppeppy | ting |
| 17:59.43 | NeoTron | http://www.allvatar.com/rex/files/ragnaros.jpg fire is indeed a living creature! |
| 18:00.26 | Seerah | http://news.yahoo.com/s/space/20090911/sc_space/agreatweektoseethemilkyway |
| 18:00.44 | Dagmar | NeoTron: Didn't look too "living" the last time I saw him |
| 18:01.22 | kdtresh | fire consumes resources, emits waste, and reproduces |
| 18:01.33 | kd3 | it's just not organized |
| 18:01.33 | kdtresh | even generates its own heat |
| 18:01.39 | Lopeppeppy | A lot of firefighters will talk about it as a living creature. |
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| 18:02.12 | Dagmar | I'll bet theirs don't drop good loot, tho'. |
| 18:02.41 | Lopeppeppy | Very rarely. Usually does something more like DE it into unusable materials. |
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| 18:06.03 | Kraps | not to sound elitist or anything but why dont people watch their charges on thadd? :( |
| 18:06.33 | Lopeppeppy | Situational awareness is too precious to waste on gaming. |
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| 18:06.55 | Ackis | Kraps: how can I do that and watch tv? |
| 18:08.18 | Lopeppeppy | See? |
| 18:08.45 | Dagmar | THey want a button that says "CLIK HEER 4 LOOT" |
| 18:09.07 | Thunder_Child | i'm glad newegg has such good prices because the sales there are ass |
| 18:09.07 | Lopeppeppy | Yup |
| 18:09.14 | Dagmar | Agreed. |
| 18:09.22 | Dagmar | Occasionally you'll get something useful free. |
| 18:09.40 | Dagmar | Generally it's "stuff you woulnd't even want your friends knowing you bought" bundles |
| 18:09.46 | Thunder_Child | "10% all HDD's (10$ max)" |
| 18:10.03 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Well, that doesn't exclude 1Tb drives |
| 18:10.11 | Dagmar | THey're what, $90 now? |
| 18:10.25 | Thunder_Child | it doesnt exclude the 200$ 2tb drives either |
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| 18:11.05 | Dagmar | WEll, I suppose it would be about 5% then? |
| 18:11.07 | Lunessa | Is it wrong to look at the "Suggested" friends on FaceBook and think "I'm not friends with /her/ but I would sure /like/ to be."? |
| 18:11.28 | Thunder_Child | it's just silly putting a max on 10% |
| 18:11.35 | Dagmar | I'm still shocked people actually buy some of the low end stuff they sell with the customer reviews there |
| 18:11.37 | Thunder_Child | few HDD's get above 200$ |
| 18:11.47 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Relatively small margin |
| 18:11.56 | Dagmar | Times are actualyl somewhat tight for hd sales. |
| 18:12.13 | Dagmar | Like, a terabyte is just a COLOSSAL amount of storage for most people now |
| 18:12.14 | Ackis | Dagmar: tbh I want a guild that will say "you code this, you get lootz!" :P I don't feel like playing a lot anymore but I'd love to get the achivements and full tier gear/etc... I'm not bad, but I'm not good anymore either |
| 18:12.35 | Dagmar | Ackis: So roll a DK |
| 18:13.15 | Lopeppeppy | supposedly a very forgiving class |
| 18:13.30 | Dagmar | I tanked DTK the other night and I haven't played that toon in about a month |
| 18:13.36 | Dagmar | It's VERY forgiving |
| 18:13.39 | Dagmar | I win at whackamole |
| 18:14.38 | Dagmar | I'm not even sure my spec on that toon is sane, but my runes all turn into death runs and I mash that button for all I'm worth |
| 18:15.15 | Dagmar | At least next time we run Naxx I'll be sure at least ONE of the tanks knows how to switch targets |
| 18:15.37 | Dagmar | Yes, I rolled a DK mainly becasue I was tired of seeing people muff the Four Horsemen |
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| 18:18.15 | zenzelezz | <Lunessa> Is it wrong to look at the "Suggested" friends on FaceBook and think "I'm not friends with /her/ but I would sure /like/ to be."? <--- how is that different from real life? |
| 18:18.37 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 18:18.39 | Ackis | zenzelezz: you don't get slapped by your gf? |
| 18:18.47 | zenzelezz | what girlfriend? |
| 18:18.48 | Lunessa | zenzelezz: Oh, I'm a lecherous old fart in "real" life too. |
| 18:19.09 | zenzelezz | Lunessa: I'm the 25-year-old virgin, all I see is girls I'd like to know |
| 18:19.26 | Lopeppeppy | 'know' |
| 18:19.26 | Lunessa | I mean, I was ogling Cairenn in her get up for the Ozzy concert. I'm in corrigible. |
| 18:19.37 | Lunessa | biblically. |
| 18:19.38 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn is ogle-worthy |
| 18:19.42 | Dagmar | Well, let us know when you're out of iut |
| 18:19.48 | Dagmar | s/iut/it/; |
| 18:19.59 | Lunessa | is the world's third worst typist. |
| 18:20.12 | Ackis | who are the toher two? |
| 18:20.13 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: I don't think I'm the kind of guy who could go for random sex, so yes, I'd like to know the girls first |
| 18:20.16 | Dagmar | Looks like my kinda girl |
| 18:20.39 | Dagmar | zenzelezz: Well, if you won't get the job done send them to me |
| 18:20.51 | Dagmar | I'll warn you tho, I'm a tough act to follow. |
| 18:21.11 | zenzelezz | what makes you think I'd want them back? |
| 18:21.30 | Lunessa | Dagmar: um, ew? |
| 18:21.33 | Dagmar | It's one of those "just gotta see" kinda things. |
| 18:21.34 | Ackis | http://ihasahotdog.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/funny-dog-pictures-accessories-important.jpg?w=500&h=375 |
| 18:21.50 | Dagmar | You know, like how kids see a karate film and then device to see if they can do a flying crane kick. |
| 18:21.55 | Cairenn | Lunessa: blush |
| 18:22.05 | Dagmar | Lunessa: I'm a professional. I wear safety equipment and everything. |
| 18:22.11 | Lunessa | Dagmar: LOL |
| 18:22.18 | Lunessa | Cairenn: *wink* |
| 18:22.48 | Dagmar | Ackis: A-dor-a-buhls |
| 18:26.05 | Kraps | raids are draining |
| 18:27.44 | Thunder_Child | Ackis, i'm one |
| 18:28.31 | Lopeppeppy | I'm soooooo tired and cold. I hate being cold! |
| 18:28.53 | Thunder_Child | hot chocolate will cure both |
| 18:28.53 | zenzelezz | embraces Lopeppeppy |
| 18:29.26 | Lopeppeppy | I'm going home and straight to bed, TC. Ugh for the fall crud. |
| 18:29.31 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Come to Texas. 79f here right now - should be 85f+ all weekend... |
| 18:30.01 | Lopeppeppy | I would bring you my germies. Want some? |
| 18:30.33 | Lunessa | Only if you bring kitties too. |
| 18:31.10 | Lopeppeppy | Rosie-moose can't travel at this time! |
| 18:31.14 | Lunessa | :( |
| 18:33.31 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:33.46 | ScytheBlade1 | I reported a tool yesterday for harassment and naming violations ("Shockrape" was his name) |
| 18:33.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Me, being the jerk that I am, added him to my friends list to see what happened |
| 18:34.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Well he got a rename all right |
| 18:34.06 | ScytheBlade1 | To "Eatmyass" |
| 18:34.13 | ScytheBlade1 | happily files a second ticket |
| 18:34.26 | cbreak | let someone else from your guild do it |
| 18:34.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Nah |
| 18:34.36 | cbreak | just for added stealthyness :) |
| 18:34.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I have no desire for being stealthy |
| 18:34.59 | cbreak | your name does sound rogueish though |
| 18:35.10 | ScytheBlade1 | In game, it is "Sbo" |
| 18:35.12 | ScytheBlade1 | So |
| 18:35.13 | ScytheBlade1 | .. |
| 18:35.17 | ScytheBlade1 | (I also play a gnome) |
| 18:35.20 | Lunessa | I'm shocked they let that through the filter. |
| 18:35.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Me too |
| 18:35.38 | Ackis | he's talking about a donkey |
| 18:35.44 | Duman | hmm |
| 18:35.45 | Ackis | sheesh |
| 18:35.55 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 18:36.11 | Lunessa | if he wanted to be clever he shoudl have said "tossmysalad" |
| 18:36.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I still would have reported him |
| 18:36.48 | ScytheBlade1 | That's probably worse than his current |
| 18:36.53 | alestane | Roxette's "The Look" demands that I rock out. Why is this track not in Rock Band? |
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| 18:38.16 | zenzelezz | what in the world could make a brown-eyed girl so blue |
| 18:38.33 | zenzelezz | or something |
| 18:39.01 | zenzelezz | wonders how many years it's been since he's heard all the Roxette LPs his parents used to listen to |
| 18:39.13 | zenzelezz | or was it casettes |
| 18:39.31 | kd3 | oh wow. wsg change on the ptr |
| 18:39.33 | kd3 | "If the game is tied when the game ends, the winner will now be the team that most recently captured the flag, rather than the team captured the first flag. " |
| 18:40.59 | zenzelezz | interesting |
| 18:41.19 | theorbtwo | Sounds OK to me. |
| 18:41.49 | Lopeppeppy | So who ever is dominating when there's a tie... sounds okay to me. |
| 18:44.07 | Lunessa | alestane: Sha-na-na-nah! She's got the look! |
| 18:44.27 | alestane | Hits like a hammer. |
| 18:45.43 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUJpZr-YbuU |
| 18:46.12 | Lopeppeppy | I always think of the Prince song, not the Roxette song. |
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| 18:47.46 | tem | ~weather klaf |
| 18:48.02 | tem | ~weather klft |
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| 18:49.13 | alestane | Lunessa: This is also excellent but requires a download: http://www.animemusicvideos.org/members/members_videoinfo.php?v=3176 |
| 18:52.35 | Shadowed | secure codeee is evilllll |
| 18:53.51 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: apropos code, latest sUF is still giving me errors, having to downgrade for a few days now ;\ |
| 18:54.07 | Shadowed | Well I can't do much if you just say errors without more info :p |
| 18:54.30 | alestane | Shadowed: What's bothering you now? |
| 18:54.41 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: of course, that was just the intro ;-) --> http://paste.wowace.com/1125/ |
| 18:55.01 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: got that with whatever was the latest on github an hour ago |
| 18:55.01 | Lunessa | alestane: Registration required. |
| 18:56.06 | alestane | Registration is free and non-intrusive (I haven't ever gotten an email or anything)...but if you don't want to, I'll just have to track you down and show it to you sometime. |
| 18:56.16 | Lopeppeppy | Road trip!!! |
| 18:58.00 | Shadowed | alestane: Trying to find a way to wrap a ShowHide template around a frame created through a SecureGroupHeaderTemplate, which as far as I can tell is impossible during combat even if you do it during initialConfigFucntion |
| 18:58.20 | Shadowed | Gnarfoz: You didn't modify SUF to use AddonLoader did you? |
| 18:58.31 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: not that I'm aware of, no :D |
| 18:59.01 | alestane | It might be, initialConfigFunction is allowed to change attributes on the frame just created but doesn't get any other special privileges. |
| 18:59.30 | Ackis | I am getting a pet frog I think: http://www.thinkgeek.com/geek-kids/7-13-years/c0d2/ |
| 18:59.32 | alestane | Are you modifying frames that you might not have been responsible for creating? |
| 18:59.34 | Shadowed | alestane: It isn't, you can't change attributes that start with _ while in combat even through the initialConfigFunction and wrapping a ShowHide template requires access to _blah |
| 19:00.03 | Shadowed | although I just realized something |
| 19:00.04 | Shadowed | hrmm |
| 19:00.14 | Shadowed | What I'm thinking wouldn't work anyway |
| 19:00.22 | Shadowed | oh |
| 19:00.25 | Shadowed | hahaha fuck oops Gnarfoz |
| 19:02.33 | Shadowed | Gnarfoz grab git in a few minutes |
| 19:02.48 | Gnarfoz | Shadowed: will do |
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| 19:08.14 | Shadowed | alestane: Mostly trying to think of a way of smartly doing frame group reassignment so it's not a static layout like Grid has to do, but I'm thinking it's impossible :< |
| 19:09.23 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, tadpoles can only be shipped in the US |
| 19:09.53 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: I know, I'm trying to get around that now!!!!!!! |
| 19:10.13 | Lopeppeppy | What you order from them is the habitat, I guess you could put a beta fish in it instead. |
| 19:10.51 | Ackis | could get frogs at the pet store too |
| 19:11.04 | Ackis | man our cats would go nuts |
| 19:11.04 | Lopeppeppy | Eeew. Cat food in a petri dish. |
| 19:11.58 | Lopeppeppy | I want an e coli. plushy. |
| 19:12.21 | Ackis | the doctor said he thinks chantelle has it |
| 19:12.22 | alestane | ...has anyone told you that you're odd? |
| 19:12.23 | Ackis | lol |
| 19:12.47 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, flesh eating microbes! |
| 19:12.55 | Lopeppeppy | Everyone has e. coli, Ackis. |
| 19:13.01 | Lopeppeppy | In what way does Chantelle suffer it? |
| 19:13.50 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: stomach issues etc, they're putting her through tests :P |
| 19:14.04 | Ackis | I called her a poop eater |
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| 19:14.52 | Lopeppeppy | Bah. |
| 19:15.17 | Ackis | I'll tell her you did too :) |
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| 19:16.50 | Ackis | oh she's mad now! |
| 19:16.53 | devZero | Lopeppeppy: I bought the wife, the black death, and e. coli |
| 19:16.54 | devZero | :) |
| 19:17.06 | devZero | she loves them, now she wants them all |
| 19:17.27 | kdtresh | you bought your wife? |
| 19:17.27 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, she should "know" me better than that! |
| 19:17.39 | Lopeppeppy | I really want a whole basketful of germs to put on my desk at work. |
| 19:17.46 | kd3 | yay! |
| 19:17.47 | kd3 | # xfs_db -c frag /dev/md0 |
| 19:17.47 | kd3 | actual 37910, ideal 37815, fragmentation factor 0.25% |
| 19:17.57 | Lopeppeppy | I have a knitted dragon, a rat, several foxes, a bat, and a cat. |
| 19:17.58 | devZero | kdtresh: "the wife" as in my "my wife" but with speaking posessively |
| 19:18.15 | Lopeppeppy | Of a mouse, to a mouse, a mouse, o mouse! |
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| 19:21.36 | Lunessa | Mmmm... Social Distortion |
| 19:22.03 | *** join/#wowuidev Tarnovo (i=50292bfd@gateway/web/freenode/x-ijlkpkziskhssohq) |
| 19:22.13 | Tarnovo | Hi. |
| 19:23.37 | Lopeppeppy | Morning. |
| 19:23.56 | Tarnovo | How we all doing today? |
| 19:24.35 | kdtresh | keepin' on keepin' on |
| 19:24.41 | Tarnovo | :) |
| 19:24.53 | Tarnovo | Mind if i ask you some EXTREMELY basic lua questions? |
| 19:25.36 | Lopeppeppy | ~asktoask |
| 19:25.37 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 19:25.44 | Lopeppeppy | But just so's you know, we're going to send you to... |
| 19:25.49 | Lopeppeppy | ~wowprogramming |
| 19:25.50 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 19:25.56 | Tarnovo | O_O |
| 19:26.00 | Tarnovo | well anyway... |
| 19:26.00 | Lopeppeppy | ... and wowwiki, and some other nice places. |
| 19:26.08 | kdtresh | and take anything i say with a grain of salt, i'm a crappy programmer :P |
| 19:26.50 | Tarnovo | is there a Lua function like Stringleft and Stringright? i had a quick google but the only stuff i found was like RegExp : / |
| 19:26.57 | Lunessa | ~IRC |
| 19:26.58 | purl | Welcome to IRC, where the men are men, the women are men and the little girls are FBI agents. |
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| 19:29.40 | kdtresh | i don't know if there's a specific left or right |
| 19:30.11 | kdtresh | but you can take the first x chars of a string |
| 19:30.16 | kdtresh | and you can reverse a string |
| 19:30.24 | Legorol | if stringleft/stringright are what i suspect they are, then you can just use string.sub with appropriate indices |
| 19:30.38 | Legorol | kdtresh: no need to reverse, Lua already lets you get the last X chars of a string |
| 19:30.47 | Legorol | !api string.sub |
| 19:30.47 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'string.sub' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-string.sub |
| 19:30.50 | kdtresh | well, there you go |
| 19:31.06 | Legorol | i still don't know what Stringleft and Stringright are, though |
| 19:31.18 | Tarnovo | Cheers, i shall have a nosey. |
| 19:31.21 | kdtresh | i think it's get first x or last y chars |
| 19:31.44 | kdtresh | but like i said earlier, i'm a crappy programmer :P |
| 19:32.19 | Legorol | kdtresh: there is no way for us to know for sure, unless Tarnovo defines the semantics |
| 19:32.35 | Legorol | Lua has no such functions, so he'd have to specify what he expects them to do (apart from applying common sense) |
| 19:33.01 | Legorol | also, Lua has no function called RegExp either |
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| 19:36.56 | Tarnovo | Sorry i just assumed you would know what i meant by stringright and stringleft |
| 19:37.55 | Tarnovo | if you used stringright(4) *for example* on the string "this is a test" it would return "test" |
| 19:37.56 | Lunessa | 'cause everyone uses autoit. amirite? |
| 19:37.57 | alestane | We can guess, but there could be other things they could mean too. Saves a lot of confusion if you can just tell us. |
| 19:38.12 | Tarnovo | sorry, messed that up |
| 19:38.28 | Thunder_Child | ~glare Lunessa |
| 19:38.29 | purl | ACTION glares at Lunessa |
| 19:39.06 | Tarnovo | Thats basically it anyways. |
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| 19:42.29 | Tarnovo | string.sub works like a charm. Thanks fellas. |
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| 19:44.05 | Shirik | theorbtwo: Well, production I don't know |
| 19:44.09 | Shirik | but it's going into a car this year :) |
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| 19:44.11 | Shirik | emphasis on "a" |
| 19:44.20 | Amarande | ok, that was a seriously strange occurrence |
| 19:44.28 | Amarande | I've farmed Scholomance for ages and never had this happen before ... |
| 19:44.36 | Amarande | apparently, Kirtonos' knockback can throw you OUT OF THE INSTANCE? lol |
| 19:44.40 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. |
| 19:44.49 | Lopeppeppy | Always fight him with your back to a wall. |
| 19:45.07 | Shirik | waves at Lopeppeppy |
| 19:45.13 | Lopeppeppy | Hey hey, Shirik. |
| 19:45.39 | Amarande | hm, and apparently the Broker Threat addon doesn't like it either |
| 19:45.41 | alestane | Amarande: I've been told that, but never actually seen it happen. We always just fought him up at the top to make sure it didn't happen. |
| 19:45.44 | Amarande | it's still saying "AGGRO" lol |
| 19:45.54 | Amarande | alestane: this is the first time I've seen it happen, and I've farmed scholo a lot |
| 19:46.04 | Amarande | of course, maybe it's because I always used a felguard in the past, and now I switched back to aff |
| 19:46.49 | alestane | I've only done the fight with a blueberry. Odd, I've been playing a demonology warlock since I started this game, and never really even been tempted to get a felguard. |
| 19:48.53 | Amarande | according to EJ, the succubus is the best pet for aff, so I've been using that |
| 19:49.11 | Lopeppeppy | covers her ears and screams |
| 19:49.13 | Amarande | maybe I should use a blueberry when soloing though ... |
| 19:49.18 | Amarande | Peppy, what's wrong? |
| 19:49.32 | devZero | going to see Big John Bates and the Voodoo Dollz tonight woo! |
| 19:49.33 | devZero | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOLnmfWicrI&feature=related |
| 19:50.11 | alestane | My impression is that while a felguard is the best overall combination of threat and damage, the voidwalker can take more punishment and has slightly better aggro. |
| 19:50.41 | Lopeppeppy | those words! |
| 19:52.15 | alestane | I think she's referring to the words, "according to EJ". |
| 19:52.33 | Lopeppeppy | Noooo! *cries* |
| 19:52.53 | alestane | Yep, those would be them. /comfort |
| 19:54.03 | Kraps | http://notalwaysright.com/thisisspyware/1371 |
| 19:55.29 | alestane | Never, never defame people who are trying to help you. Why'd you bring them your problem if you think you know more about it? |
| 19:55.41 | Shirik | I'm really starting to get sick of that joke Kraps... |
| 19:55.47 | Amarande | ah. |
| 19:55.56 | Amarande | yeah, I don't go to EJ often |
| 19:56.10 | Amarande | but it's generally where I go when I've been out of the loop or a new patch is out and I need to redo my talent build |
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| 19:56.18 | Amarande | and figure out which glyphs are best for my build |
| 19:56.39 | Amarande | gaaaahhhhhh |
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| 19:56.43 | Amarande | I keep forgetting to lifetap |
| 19:56.52 | Amarande | lifetap is essential for aff dps :S |
| 19:57.18 | Lopeppeppy | tap, drain, tap, drain. |
| 19:57.41 | Shirik | dps is so boring |
| 19:57.43 | Shirik | roll a healer |
| 19:58.01 | Lopeppeppy | Love to healer! |
| 19:58.48 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy |
| 19:58.49 | Shirik | I need cookies |
| 19:59.22 | Amarande | but yeah, pretty much for me EJ is just somewhere I go to find out about good builds and which glyphs to use before wasting my money on the AH |
| 19:59.46 | Amarande | and to figure out just *how* much foo rating one is supposed to aim for on a given class and build |
| 20:00.29 | Shirik | oh.....shit |
| 20:00.53 | Amarande | because I can never remember hitcaps off the top of my head |
| 20:01.07 | Amarande | speaking of which, I am WAY over on hit now that I went aff, but I can't really do anything about it yet |
| 20:01.13 | Amarande | since I need to farm some more so I have money to afford gems :S |
| 20:01.19 | Shirik | Dagmar: Remember that quantum computing article I linked a while ago? Apparently there is discussion in the IEEE community that breaking RSA is a lot closer than any of us think |
| 20:01.29 | Dagmar | Yeah, I know |
| 20:01.35 | devZero | RSA? |
| 20:01.41 | Dagmar | This is why I pay attention to use cases. |
| 20:01.50 | Amarande | devZero: let's put it this way |
| 20:01.54 | Amarande | if RSA gets cracked in any meaningful way |
| 20:02.06 | devZero | ah, say no more... I understand now |
| 20:02.10 | Amarande | you'll have to be really damn careful with passwords. :P |
| 20:02.13 | devZero | context, context :) |
| 20:02.27 | nevcairiel | so we invent something new .. just the transition is painful :P |
| 20:02.39 | Amarande | And PayPal will probably end up telling you you have to call 1-800-this-that to be able to change your account info :P |
| 20:03.14 | Shirik | how do you secure voice communications? |
| 20:03.21 | alestane | Is there no longer a glyph that stops Obliterate from consuming diseases, or was there never? |
| 20:04.44 | Tarnovo | It's a talent |
| 20:04.49 | Tarnovo | in the frost tree |
| 20:05.04 | Tarnovo | tthe oblit glyph only increased the damage by 20% |
| 20:05.07 | alestane | I know about the talent. But I thought once upon a time there was a glyph that did this. |
| 20:05.31 | foxlit | alestane: that never happened. |
| 20:05.37 | Tarnovo | Dont think it was ever a glyph. |
| 20:06.29 | alestane | That helps explain somewhat the appeal of Scourge Strike. |
| 20:08.03 | Kraps | Shirik: thisissparta > all |
| 20:08.07 | Shirik | no. |
| 20:08.43 | Kraps | i'm sorry you feel that way |
| 20:09.24 | Shirik | no you're not |
| 20:09.36 | Kraps | ^ |
| 20:10.12 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:11.48 | Kraps | gearing for fury is going at a nice pace, but i ask myself why someone would take a fury warrior over a dk given the choice |
| 20:12.08 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, the same way you secure any kind of information |
| 20:12.21 | Thunder_Child | electronic information* |
| 20:12.47 | Shirik | how? |
| 20:12.50 | Shirik | RSA encryption? |
| 20:12.52 | Lunessa | Kraps: I don't know, maybe they like playing the game with their friends? |
| 20:12.56 | Shirik | Ain't gonna get you very far |
| 20:13.01 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, analog or digital? |
| 20:13.09 | Shirik | either |
| 20:13.11 | Kraps | Lunessa: what? |
| 20:13.11 | Thunder_Child | VoiP or phone? |
| 20:13.36 | Shirik | the argument was "once RSA becomes obsolete, PayPal will ask you to call to change account information" |
| 20:13.40 | Lunessa | Kraps: Hey, can't help it if you only play with strangers who only care about the biggest numbers. :P |
| 20:13.41 | Shirik | and I was like "well how can you verify that security?" |
| 20:13.58 | Thunder_Child | old school phones used scramblers, much like the wow key fob |
| 20:14.24 | Shirik | the wow key fob I believe is based off RSA technology as well |
| 20:14.29 | Shirik | I can't know for sure, but it would make sense |
| 20:14.55 | Thunder_Child | ~dict 1 like |
| 20:14.55 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:15.09 | Kraps | ah well, i dont have much of a choice, i dont know anyone in wow |
| 20:16.15 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i meant as in smiliar strings of char |
| 20:16.16 | Thunder_Child | s |
| 20:17.57 | Kraps | "Likest"? |
| 20:18.28 | Lopeppeppy | shakespearean grammar sucketh |
| 20:18.36 | Kraps | "blue is my most likest color" |
| 20:18.57 | Kraps | i approve of this word |
| 20:20.51 | Dagmar | Don't blame Bill, blame that tart Lizzy |
| 20:21.37 | Thunder_Child | blames Dagmar |
| 20:22.13 | Kraps | ~dict set |
| 20:22.14 | Lunessa | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C4sUTg_kZw&NR=1 |
| 20:22.32 | Kraps | ~dict set |
| 20:22.41 | Kraps | ~dict 1 set |
| 20:22.57 | Shirik | no Kraps |
| 20:23.00 | Lopeppeppy | You know, you can just whisper purl until she tells you what you want to hear. |
| 20:23.00 | Shirik | not "most likest" |
| 20:23.05 | Kraps | ... i dont even |
| 20:23.19 | Shirik | likest is a second-person like |
| 20:23.32 | Shirik | Do you likest? |
| 20:23.39 | kdtresh | dost thou likest? |
| 20:23.43 | Shirik | ^ more accurate |
| 20:23.50 | Shirik | I tried to remove that |
| 20:23.59 | Lunessa | Methinks the man doth protest too much. |
| 20:24.14 | Kraps | what dict does this go to? |
| 20:24.25 | Thunder_Child | a dictionary |
| 20:24.28 | Thunder_Child | jeeze |
| 20:24.59 | Kraps | i was too lazy to type it out |
| 20:25.04 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.16 | Thunder_Child | i mean it goes to a dictionary |
| 20:25.41 | Kraps | which one? |
| 20:25.45 | Thunder_Child | a built in one |
| 20:25.48 | Thunder_Child | afaik |
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| 20:26.31 | Thunder_Child | http://wordnet.princeton.edu/ |
| 20:26.35 | Thunder_Child | is what it uses i think |
| 20:27.34 | Amarande | hmm |
| 20:27.39 | Amarande | I never noticed this before in Scholomance either |
| 20:27.47 | Amarande | in the room with all the glowing green ghouls and the magic immune skeletons |
| 20:28.03 | Amarande | there's a portcullis to the right of the viewing-room door |
| 20:28.09 | Amarande | and behind it is a gray and black chest |
| 20:28.10 | Amarande | what's that for? |
| 20:28.26 | Cide | hi |
| 20:28.32 | Tarnovo | what does adding this: = {} do to a variable? |
| 20:28.39 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 20:28.57 | alestane | The expression "{}" means a new, empty table. |
| 20:29.18 | Cide | shh, alestane! |
| 20:29.19 | Tarnovo | Ahh, thanks. guess i still need to read about tables. |
| 20:29.19 | alestane | I think you do. |
| 20:29.44 | alestane | Programming in Lua goes a ways to explaining the concepts and not just the syntax. |
| 20:29.54 | Shirik | {} doesn't always mean "new, empty table" |
| 20:30.00 | Shirik | or rather, not only that |
| 20:30.28 | Shirik | it could mean "call" too! |
| 20:30.32 | Shirik | lua> print{} |
| 20:30.33 | lua_bot | Shirik: table: 0x9269208 |
| 20:30.36 | Shirik | epoch win |
| 20:30.40 | Cide | you're fail |
| 20:30.55 | Shirik | :< |
| 20:30.58 | Shirik | nou |
| 20:31.00 | alestane | Yes, although it that case it means call with a new, empty table as its sole argument. |
| 20:31.28 | alestane | And I'd say that's more a feature of Lua with respect to all bounding delimiters. |
| 20:31.41 | Cide | hm |
| 20:31.51 | Cide | do characters or | have higher priority in regexps? |
| 20:31.57 | Cide | hm |
| 20:32.00 | Cide | gotta use parentheses |
| 20:32.18 | Lunessa | Amarande: If you kill Jandice, you can unlock that gate by turning a torch her alcove - then loot the chest for some extra goodies. |
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| 20:33.01 | Shirik | Cide: Characters |
| 20:33.13 | Cide | ya, my logic was faulty |
| 20:33.17 | Cide | could be because I'm drunk |
| 20:33.23 | Shirik | woot |
| 20:33.24 | Shirik | drunk Cide |
| 20:33.37 | Cide | it's not that unusual :P |
| 20:34.07 | Cide | my addon is shaping up nicely |
| 20:34.20 | Shirik | not letting me help :< |
| 20:34.24 | Cide | yes I am! |
| 20:34.38 | Tarnovo | Got mine to Gz people on ding so far...not bad for 3 hours work eh ^^ |
| 20:34.52 | Cide | it's pretty bad considering that's quite annoying :/ |
| 20:35.39 | Cide | huh. |
| 20:35.47 | Cide | why'd my addon stop loading? |
| 20:35.56 | Kraps | âI suppose I should order some internet.â ââ¦you havenât even signed up for it yet!?â âI wanted to do it on the internet.â |
| 20:36.01 | Amarande | Lunessa: ah, I've cleared Scholo a zillion times and never remembered that :) |
| 20:36.08 | Amarande | I think it's because I tend to kill Jandice last on runs when I do |
| 20:36.23 | Cide | blizzard's lua error frame fails |
| 20:36.23 | Amarande | and I often don't, because I find the undead to be really irritating in that area as a caster |
| 20:36.26 | kd3 | wait, wait... people kill jandice? |
| 20:36.30 | kd3 | <-- mage |
| 20:36.35 | Lunessa | I've been doing that place since release, back when it was a "raid" instance. *shudder* |
| 20:36.36 | kd3 | I refuse to go near her room |
| 20:36.37 | Shirik | Cide: A good developer wouldn't have an error in the first place |
| 20:36.38 | Shirik | ooooooooooooooo |
| 20:36.41 | Cide | oh snap. |
| 20:36.55 | Amarande | but yeah, basically I don't find her room worth the time |
| 20:36.58 | alestane | The reason people used to wipe in there is because they weren't organized. |
| 20:37.03 | Amarande | unless I'm running as a tailor who doesn't have the felcloth bag recipe yet |
| 20:37.35 | Amarande | which is still half-decent to have, since the 28 and 32 slot soulbags use rather expensive mats |
| 20:37.46 | Amarande | and I still haven't felt the need for more than a 24 |
| 20:37.47 | alestane | kd3: You're actually reasonably well-equipped for that fight, you can remove curse. |
| 20:38.03 | kd3 | ya... but the magic-immune trash is rather annoying |
| 20:38.04 | Cide | you have commit access on svn Shirik, just commit if you want to help! |
| 20:38.11 | Amarande | Now that I'm aff, I probably don't even NEED to carry more than a 24 slot bag |
| 20:38.14 | Shirik | but I don't know what you need |
| 20:38.27 | Amarande | since I'll probably end up throwing away tons of soulshards after every instance, given that Drain Soul is too powerful as a finisher now :) |
| 20:38.41 | Cide | well you haven't asked |
| 20:38.48 | Amarande | although, it might be useful to have a 32 for things like Scholo, since I can't regain shards there |
| 20:39.24 | Amarande | otoh, I have to take breaks from scholo fairly often anyway due to full inventory and needing to mail greens to my enchanter for DE long before I run out of soul shards even with the 24 :S |
| 20:39.48 | Amarande | (and don't say jeeves, since I'm not an eng heh) |
| 20:40.07 | Cide | Shirik: the problem is that I'm slightly unclear on the direction |
| 20:40.10 | Lunessa | Get an Argent Pony. |
| 20:40.26 | Cide | if you do want to actively help I'd be glad though |
| 20:40.27 | Amarande | I was going to say that Engineers are just sick when it comes to long farming runs |
| 20:40.36 | Amarande | since wise use of MOLL-E and Jeeves means basically never having to leave the dungeon area |
| 20:40.45 | Amarande | but given that Engineers have gotten the short end of it for SO BLOODY LONG, I can't complain. :) |
| 20:41.21 | Amarande | Argent Pony ... that's new in 3.1 or 3.2? |
| 20:41.39 | Amarande | I went on a break from WoW a few weeks before 3.1 and just got back last night |
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| 20:47.23 | Dagmar | it's a LOT of freakin badges |
| 20:47.52 | Amarande | Dagmar: tier 9, or one of the less valuable ones? |
| 20:47.59 | Amarande | since if I'm going to do daily heroics I'm going to save for T9 stuff |
| 20:48.23 | foxlit | I figure that strategy isn't worthwhile. |
| 20:48.47 | foxlit | It seems that you'd get more bang for buck by staying in tier 8 and getting the T9 accessories if you're limited to heroics. |
| 20:49.17 | Lunessa | Amarande: 150 Crusader seals. Added in the Trial of the Crusade content patch. |
| 20:49.44 | Lunessa | Basically, turns your squire into either a) mailbox, b) bank or c) merchant. 4 hour cooldown |
| 20:51.03 | Lunessa | T8 set bonuses are pretty freaking fantastic. T9 - not so much. |
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| 20:59.52 | Dagmar | You have T9. You don't need set bonuses. |
| 20:59.58 | Dagmar | You already outgear most of the bossses. |
| 21:00.00 | Dagmar | heh |
| 21:00.45 | A-KO | Unfortunately blizzard's loot system and loot policy is against what players would find to be logica |
| 21:00.58 | A-KO | t9 actually doesn't increase say, damage output, as much as it "should" |
| 21:01.05 | A-KO | though increases surviveability |
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| 21:03.30 | A-KO | I mean the reality for most players is they could give a shit less about stamina |
| 21:03.34 | A-KO | versus DPS output |
| 21:03.52 | A-KO | for an ele shaman nobody cares about how long you can DPS or how much mana you have, just how much DPS you put out |
| 21:04.00 | A-KO | over the period of a boss fight |
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| 21:05.40 | foxlit | Meh, that's easily fixed. |
| 21:06.02 | foxlit | Have the boss cast a 22k unresistable, unmitigatable AoE every few minutes. |
| 21:06.05 | Dagmar | It's great that people won't play with bots because they're unable to cope with changes, but they complain when people aren't specced like a bot. |
| 21:06.52 | A-KO | foxlit: they did that with Malygos |
| 21:06.55 | A-KO | with his 18K vortex |
| 21:06.55 | foxlit | aka "Wear your damn stamina." |
| 21:06.57 | Dagmar | OMG you traded 2% of your DPS for 4% more hit points? U SUK AT RADING |
| 21:07.09 | foxlit | A-KO: you have a bit of a margin there, since you can heal through it. |
| 21:07.15 | A-KO | little bit |
| 21:07.24 | A-KO | some fights are doing a lot more damage also, but people go over-heal anyway |
| 21:07.27 | A-KO | and can heal through most shit |
| 21:07.33 | A-KO | the twins do that DOT over the course of the fight |
| 21:07.40 | A-KO | easily rejuved through it with a high enough output druid |
| 21:07.45 | foxlit | I'm just suggesting that it can be fixed by forcing a single large hit on everyone. |
| 21:07.50 | Amarande | hahah |
| 21:08.08 | Amarande | in /2 someone just said as a guild requirement "must be willing to ninja loot in pugs" :P |
| 21:08.25 | A-KO | yeah foxlit there are a few ways to do it, I'm just saying, it's why people aren't moving from t8 to t9 |
| 21:08.32 | A-KO | I know people in my guild who flat out said they aren't breaking their bonus |
| 21:08.41 | foxlit | Personally, I'm not moving to T9 because I have no tokens :( |
| 21:08.49 | Dagmar | Amarande: Wow that's one to report to mmo-champion |
| 21:09.51 | devZero | Amarande: do you play on Dethecus? |
| 21:09.52 | Dagmar | foxlit: You can't exactly hand a "large hit" to everyone |
| 21:09.54 | devZero | haha |
| 21:10.02 | foxlit | Dagmar: why not? |
| 21:10.28 | Dagmar | Either your sword-slingers will just shrug it off, or all your clothies die. |
| 21:10.28 | Lunessa | foxlit: Yeah, I've been getting mine from the Daily Heroic and occasional drops when I can get in to 10-man ToCr. And in Cataclysm they're going to make pretty much everyone have ass-loads of stamina anyway. |
| 21:10.45 | Dagmar | If you hand out 22k unmitigateable damage you will almost certianly wipe out half the mages |
| 21:10.50 | A-KO | nah |
| 21:10.52 | A-KO | not if it's a spell |
| 21:10.53 | foxlit | Dagmar: Is there really that much of a stamina difference in DPS specs? |
| 21:10.56 | A-KO | that's unresistable |
| 21:11.04 | Dagmar | foxlit: Yes. |
| 21:11.05 | A-KO | everyone other than tanks is around the same amount of HP |
| 21:11.08 | A-KO | just set a bar |
| 21:11.12 | A-KO | as long as it's not physical damage it won't matter |
| 21:11.14 | A-KO | make it holy damage |
| 21:11.19 | A-KO | since there's no holy resist :P |
| 21:11.24 | Dagmar | I'm BM. My stats roll like Attack power, Agility, Stamina just because of how the gear is built |
| 21:11.25 | A-KO | holy spell unresistable |
| 21:11.31 | Dagmar | Mages, not so much. |
| 21:11.32 | A-KO | done |
| 21:11.35 | foxlit | Dagmar: so you take stamina. |
| 21:11.41 | foxlit | So you're not a problem we're trying to solve :) |
| 21:11.44 | Lunessa | I play an Enhancment shaman - we hit like small-arms fire and die like we're made of glass. |
| 21:11.55 | A-KO | Lunessa: I'm talking strictly PVE |
| 21:11.57 | A-KO | not PVP bs |
| 21:12.03 | Dagmar | foxlit: Mages won't be happy about having to carry a "nerfed DPS" set just to survive |
| 21:12.04 | A-KO | PVE you're not "made of glass" |
| 21:12.06 | foxlit | The point isn't so much to provide a challenge, as to simply kill off people who do not have the proper gear. |
| 21:12.07 | Amarande | hmm |
| 21:12.21 | foxlit | Dagmar: make it their default set. |
| 21:12.22 | Amarande | 1) are emblems of heroism really any good for much of anything anymore other than buying epic gems? |
| 21:12.30 | A-KO | no Amarande |
| 21:12.45 | Dagmar | foxlit: yer typical 80 mage will be at about 20k health buffed to the eyeteeth |
| 21:12.47 | Amarande | and 2) why do the primary color epic gems cost twice as many emblems as the green, orange, and purple ones? o.0 |
| 21:12.48 | foxlit | heirlooms is the other option, Amarande. |
| 21:13.21 | Dagmar | Amarande: Because they go "farther" into whatever stat they're focused on |
| 21:13.58 | Dagmar | You have red with stat A, and yellow with stat B, but orange doesn't come in 1/2 A plus 1/2 B flavors, more like 1/3 A plus 1/3 B |
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| 21:15.00 | Dagmar | foxlit: Tank types tend to have easily twice the HP or more than all the clothies around |
| 21:15.20 | Dagmar | If you want to do an "appropriate gear" check, it would have to center on the boss and scale down by range |
| 21:15.33 | Dagmar | ...and even then rogues would probably just become blast shadows |
| 21:15.35 | foxlit | Dagmar: The stated problem was that people are reluctant to take tier 9 because it upgrades their survivability rather than DPS. |
| 21:15.45 | Dagmar | That's crazy |
| 21:15.46 | Lunessa | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/6133903/50-things-that-are-being-killed-by-the-internet.html |
| 21:15.53 | Dagmar | No one in their right mind is "reluctant" to take T9. |
| 21:16.15 | Dagmar | They're just being spoiled brats |
| 21:16.26 | Amarande | I'm still wondering what the spellpower gem recipes will become in the expansion, too |
| 21:16.32 | Amarande | since spellpower is going away |
| 21:16.39 | foxlit | Dagmar: I'm not interested in whether or not that is the case; I'm simply suggesting an enforement mechanic. |
| 21:16.40 | Dagmar | If your DPS stays the same and your survivability goes up, it's _still_ an upgrade worth having |
| 21:16.44 | Amarande | and they can't very well become Int because SP is red and Int is yellow, which would debalance the gem system |
| 21:16.59 | Shadowed | They're going to have to redo the gem system in general |
| 21:17.09 | Dagmar | Amarande: If it bothers you, don't buy the epic gems |
| 21:17.13 | Amarande | how are they going to handle JCs who already have tons of recipes? |
| 21:17.19 | Shadowed | Who cares? :p |
| 21:17.31 | Dagmar | The wrath gems like +32 attack power and so on sell for like ~50g each on most servers |
| 21:17.32 | Shadowed | By then it'll be 4.0 and they will be 3.0 recipes that become unneeded by new 4.0 ones |
| 21:17.35 | Dagmar | That's what, 3-4 dailies? |
| 21:18.05 | Amarande | more importantly |
| 21:18.06 | Dagmar | I've got a stash of 8-10 of the three gems I care about just from bargain shopping. I didn't pay more than 30 for any of them |
| 21:18.16 | Amarande | how are they going to handle the fact that people have already got lots of pure spellpower red gems socketed in their gear? |
| 21:18.24 | Amarande | they wouldn't just make people's gems go POOF would they? ... |
| 21:18.28 | Dagmar | Paying 400g to get four more attack power (for example) seeems a little wacky |
| 21:18.36 | Shadowed | Gold is easy |
| 21:18.57 | Dagmar | Amarande: If they did it's not like it would slow us down much. They'll probably just convert them to a more or less equivalent stat |
| 21:19.13 | Lunessa | The shift in intimization was hardly painful 2.0 -> 3.0. I'm not worried about 3.0 -> 4.0 |
| 21:19.17 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: interesting list, 7 is quite funny, 10 is so true but ive never really worn watches anyway because i cant |
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| 21:19.34 | Lunessa | Arrow I'm still reading. |
| 21:19.37 | Shadowed | 3.0 -> 4.0 is a bit different from 2.0 -> 3.0 |
| 21:19.41 | Arrowmaster | me too |
| 21:22.05 | Amarande | Dagmar: yeah, that's what I'm wondering about |
| 21:22.14 | Amarande | spellpower comes from int in 4.0 |
| 21:22.29 | Amarande | but since int and spellpower are currently on different color gems, a balanced conversion of existing gems could be an issue |
| 21:22.53 | Amarande | oh, apparently AP is going by the bye, too |
| 21:22.55 | Amarande | and so is MP5 |
| 21:22.59 | Adys | 7) Adolescent nerves at first porn purchase |
| 21:23.18 | Amarande | I'm trying to think if there's going to be any builds in particular that are going to be screaming in pain from the loss of MP5 as a gear stat. |
| 21:23.26 | Adys | I think they could safely get rid of the first four words |
| 21:23.30 | Arrowmaster | Lunessa: 32 is gold, pure gold |
| 21:23.31 | Adys | jesus christ Amarande's back |
| 21:23.36 | Amarande | I'm also wondering what the "special" stuff on gear is gonna be :) |
| 21:23.40 | foxlit | Hm, so who else can I pester about luasocket? |
| 21:23.57 | Amarande | since it seems they're taking away most of the green stats on gear and folding them in various ways into talents and the basic stats |
| 21:24.10 | Lunessa | Arrow yes. PURE |
| 21:24.36 | Amarande | or are epics just going to look like greens, but with higher bonuses? :) |
| 21:24.49 | Amarande | you know, like those crappy epics you sometimes found in BC and sharded because they didn't provide ANYTHING but stats? :D |
| 21:26.01 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: 49 makes me a little sad. |
| 21:26.03 | Adys | 43) Solitaire |
| 21:26.03 | Adys | The original computer timewaster has been superseded by the more alluring temptations of the web. Ditto Minesweeper. |
| 21:26.18 | Adys | someone hasnt heard of worldofsolitaire.com |
| 21:26.53 | Arrowmaster | 47 is interesting |
| 21:27.09 | Arrowmaster | especially in that it mentions wikipedia |
| 21:27.23 | Arrowmaster | yet it seems most people never notice the footnotes on wikipedia |
| 21:28.15 | Adys | what footnotes? |
| 21:28.25 | Arrowmaster | even fucking college teachers just flatout refuse to accept wikipedia as a resource instead of realizing and explaining that it can be used as a resource to gather more reliable resources |
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| 21:28.39 | Amarande | hmm |
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| 21:29.04 | Amarande | are there upgraded heirloom pieces now or do you still have to trade in higher emblems down to heroism in order to get heirlooms? |
| 21:29.15 | Arrowmaster | sure anybody can edit a wikipedia page but also anybody can create a website and put whatever they want on it |
| 21:29.46 | Amarande | Arrow: I'm sure money factors into it somewhere |
| 21:30.10 | Amarande | using Wikipedia means you aren't buying expensive research books and that you aren't justifying the college's spending on those expensive subscription journal services |
| 21:30.27 | Arrowmaster | do people ever use those? |
| 21:30.45 | Amarande | heh, they seem to be referenced a fair bit by ... wikipedia |
| 21:30.46 | Amarande | lol |
| 21:30.49 | Arrowmaster | afaik i can only access my colleges subscription stuff if i am using a computer on the college network |
| 21:31.43 | Arrowmaster | people dont goto a college library to do research online, they do it from home |
| 21:31.47 | Lunessa | Yeah - we have that here too, only we have ways for you to use a trust link to use the subscription content from our sites. |
| 21:31.58 | Lunessa | And for the .. something... http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28151 |
| 21:32.41 | Amarande | Arrow: maybe they want you to share the pain then by having to pay a zillion dollars a year to get individual access to the journal services :D |
| 21:33.02 | Amarande | who knows, the services might be giving colleges kickbacks |
| 21:33.18 | Amarande | the corruption between schools and corporations in the modern world tends to be legendary :| |
| 21:33.52 | Arrowmaster | some of those services would probably go out of business if the schools stoped paying them if they realized nobody used it |
| 21:34.07 | Arrowmaster | although others i know wouldnt because of how wide spread their usage is |
| 21:34.58 | mikma | cairenn: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/cat_found_new_life.jpg |
| 21:35.06 | Lunessa | Our schools seem to make pretty extensive use of those services if the number of support tickets I get is any indication. |
| 21:35.31 | Arrowmaster | i mean it depends on the services |
| 21:35.34 | Amarande | ahhh, the modern way of determining usage rates |
| 21:35.37 | nicoli_coding | cute kitty pics |
| 21:35.41 | Amarande | basing it on how often the service in question breaks ... heh |
| 21:35.43 | Arrowmaster | some of them are just damn search engines |
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| 21:36.39 | Arrowmaster | although others like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LexisNexis which has its headquarters here and im perty sure my school has access too, has a lot of unique and hard to find elsewhere stuff |
| 21:37.10 | Amarande | hm. |
| 21:37.21 | Amarande | anyone remember where you have to go to start the doomguard ritual quest chain? |
| 21:37.39 | alestane | Tainted Scar in the Blasted Lands, I thought. |
| 21:38.00 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Doomguard_%28warlock_minion%29 |
| 21:38.07 | Arrowmaster | ive seen that companies network layout map, extremely high quality design, wish i could get a job there |
| 21:40.17 | Amarande | apparently, that ritual is actually good now |
| 21:40.29 | Amarande | now that it doesn't kill someone, and now that the lock auto-controls it |
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| 22:02.14 | Lunessa | Time to go. Ciao tutti |
| 22:06.53 | Cairenn | mikma: awwww |
| 22:08.57 | alestane | Cairenn: ?? |
| 22:09.06 | Cairenn | alestane: ? |
| 22:09.22 | alestane | Whatever you're responding to doesn't appear to be in my scrollback anymore. |
| 22:09.39 | Cairenn | (2009-09-11 17:34:55) mikma: cairenn: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/cat_found_new_life.jpg |
| 22:10.10 | alestane | Yeah, that's pretty sweetheart. |
| 22:13.31 | Shirik | holy crap |
| 22:13.43 | Shirik | so today was the first day I tried to charge my phone quickly and not overnight |
| 22:13.52 | Shirik | It takes about 3 days for the battery to die, even with use |
| 22:13.58 | Shirik | I left it plugged in for 30 minutes |
| 22:13.59 | Shirik | it's at 75% |
| 22:14.16 | joeymarx | stick a 40 puound ups in your bag |
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| 22:17.49 | cbreak | the last few percent of charge take much longer than the rest to load |
| 22:18.03 | Amarande | Heya Cairenn :) |
| 22:18.04 | cbreak | I think that's because overloadprotected charging is slower than fast charge |
| 22:18.10 | Cairenn | hi Amarande :) |
| 22:19.01 | Shirik | hi Cairenn |
| 22:19.10 | Cairenn | hi Shirik |
| 22:19.22 | alestane | HI CAIRENN! |
| 22:19.31 | Cairenn | hi everyone! :p |
| 22:20.30 | Dagmar | cbreak: It is |
| 22:20.59 | Dagmar | Chargers that aren't likely to blow up batteries back off once they reach the target voltage and switch to trickle mode |
| 22:23.44 | Shirik | It's a much harder problem than it sounds |
| 22:23.51 | Shirik | I have to deal with that for a 300V battery |
| 22:24.04 | Shirik | I forget how many watts |
| 22:24.05 | Shirik | a lot |
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| 22:24.19 | Amarande | thwaps Windows |
| 22:24.37 | Amarande | first it wouldn't let me go into any menus in firefox to open a new tab. |
| 22:24.41 | Amarande | then it wouldn't let me alt-tab. |
| 22:24.50 | Amarande | it would only let me ctrl-alt-del to the emergency menu and log off to fix it. |
| 22:24.53 | Tarnovo | Anyone else having trouble with AddMessageEventFilter? |
| 22:25.50 | Amarande | hmm. |
| 22:25.50 | Shirik | works for me |
| 22:25.51 | Amarande | http://www.lunasanguine.com/images/WoWScrnShot_091109_170912.jpg |
| 22:25.57 | Amarande | 1. that guild ad just seems ... preposterous |
| 22:26.06 | Amarande | 2. I really need to figure out what's causing Broker Threat to bug like that |
| 22:26.23 | Amarande | if you bubble hearth or get ejected from an instance, it still says AGGRO until you go out and fight something else to reset it |
| 22:30.18 | Tarnovo | I've even tried Copying the wowwiki example and still get an assertion failed: / |
| 22:31.29 | alestane | Are you crashing the client? |
| 22:31.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Is there a bigger herb bag than a 24 slot? |
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| 22:32.40 | Amarande | yeah, there's a 28 and a 32 |
| 22:32.55 | Pneumatus | this ^^ |
| 22:32.58 | ScytheBlade1 | looks like I've got to make some 32s then |
| 22:33.05 | Shirik | Tarnovo: Can you explain more detailed? |
| 22:33.06 | Pneumatus | 28slot from BC, 32slot in LK |
| 22:33.10 | Amarande | the recipe for the 28, you grind to revered with Sporeggar and buy |
| 22:33.12 | ScytheBlade1 | ha, my tailor even has the rep |
| 22:33.24 | Pneumatus | Emerald Bag is the 32slot |
| 22:33.39 | Amarande | and the 28 pattern is basically FREE besides that because you pay for Sporeggar stuff with mushrooms you can pick up off the ground in zangar |
| 22:33.47 | Amarande | and who goes to zangar anyway these days, so what competition do you have :D |
| 22:34.06 | ScytheBlade1 | My tailor has the rep for both, rather |
| 22:34.21 | Pneumatus | sporeggar rep is still easiest achieved from farming sanguine hibiscus in underbog tho :P |
| 22:34.39 | Amarande | you know, I could never remember what that stuff was for |
| 22:35.07 | Tarnovo | Interface\FrameXML\ChatFrame.lua:2648: assertion failed! |
| 22:35.16 | Amarande | I'd probably make the 28s, since primal mooncloth is ridiculously cheap now |
| 22:35.31 | Shirik | Tarnovo: What was the call you made? |
| 22:35.50 | Tarnovo | ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter("CHAT_MSG_GUILD", myChatEventHandler) |
| 22:35.51 | Amarande | although even without the cooldown on the primal mooncloth anymore, I'd still want to wait an hour between each one I made |
| 22:35.55 | Amarande | just to get the most of the buff :D |
| 22:36.16 | ScytheBlade1 | My tailor is a mooncloth tailor |
| 22:36.17 | ScytheBlade1 | So |
| 22:36.19 | ScytheBlade1 | 32 it is |
| 22:36.27 | Shirik | Tarnovo: What's your chat event handler? |
| 22:37.17 | Amarande | hm. |
| 22:37.18 | Tarnovo | http://pastebin.com/dc9fc7bc |
| 22:37.22 | Tarnovo | copied from wowwiki |
| 22:37.34 | Amarande | now to remember how you get rep with Cenarion Circle without having to raid |
| 22:37.51 | Tarnovo | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter |
| 22:37.58 | alestane | Amarande: Way easy now. |
| 22:38.08 | alestane | Just run around Silithus killing stuff. |
| 22:38.23 | alestane | I made exalted off Twilight Cultists. |
| 22:39.01 | alestane | Without even really trying, although I was trying to get through the abyssal duke quest line, which took quite a while itself. |
| 22:39.17 | Dagmar | The poor cultists |
| 22:39.32 | Dagmar | They just can't spawn fast enough |
| 22:39.40 | alestane | They can if you're the only one there. |
| 22:39.58 | alestane | But if there's anyone else at the same camp, you'll start trying to beat each other to the spawns. |
| 22:40.04 | Dagmar | alestane: Not if you're a hunter |
| 22:41.30 | alestane | I'm a warlock, but admittedly I also downgeared while I was there to save on any repair bills. |
| 22:41.40 | Amarande | alestane: classes that actually have to do something other than drool to tag stuff regard you hunters with your aggressive pets as cheating :P |
| 22:41.53 | Dagmar | Oh it's not just the pet |
| 22:42.00 | Dagmar | If the pet kills something by itself you're out of luck. |
| 22:42.05 | Amarande | granted, as an aff lock, all it takes now is to cast an instant dot |
| 22:42.17 | Dagmar | However, you can run around dropping traps and spamming volley for a tick, and then let the monkey clean up the mess |
| 22:42.26 | Amarande | but still, we have to DO something to tag stuff, while you can at least guarantee getting the tag in a competitive situation by letting your monkey run amok |
| 22:42.40 | Dagmar | Monkey isn't that useful for a tag |
| 22:42.49 | alestane | Amarande: I'd think you'd know as well as anyone that pets don't tap. |
| 22:42.58 | Amarande | hmm, they must have changed that |
| 22:43.01 | Amarande | I forget which patch, though |
| 22:43.08 | alestane | They never have. |
| 22:43.08 | Dagmar | Little snakes and exploding traps work just fine tho |
| 22:43.46 | Amarande | ah ... yay, then spriests and warlocks are king of the tagging hill now then. :D |
| 22:43.49 | alestane | We're actually better off than we used to be as 'locks, because DoTs tap as soon as you cast them now, instead of waiting for the first tick of damage. |
| 22:44.01 | Amarande | used to be I QQ'd a good bit about hunters |
| 22:44.04 | Dagmar | You can just run through tapping that "I'm really pissed off" fire AoE |
| 22:44.10 | Dagmar | ...like freakin' paladins |
| 22:44.26 | Amarande | because I would have to explicitly change my usual rotation simply to ensure getting the tag and not giving someone free DPS |
| 22:44.35 | Dagmar | Amarande: Good thing you missed them taking the rubber nipples off Volley then |
| 22:44.44 | Amarande | eh |
| 22:44.55 | alestane | I used to envy druids, because Moonfire tapped instantly, but Corruption didn't...in places like Felwood, I'd throw a dot, then watch the mob go gray when someone else did instant damage it. |
| 22:44.59 | Dagmar | Volley used to basically do fixed damage. I.e., it did *not* benefit from your attack power. |
| 22:44.59 | Amarande | the main reason I hated hunters was because in a competitive farming situation, their ranged attack usually guaranteed they got more taps than any other class |
| 22:45.14 | Dagmar | Right before Wrath they took that off it and let it benefir from attack power. |
| 22:45.25 | Amarande | which is why I always insisted DoTs should tap on application |
| 22:45.29 | Amarande | which thankfully they do now. :) |
| 22:45.58 | Dagmar | So, with all the haste they were pouring on us (so far past haste cap it wasn't even funny) and all the attack power BM's run around with, Volley would spank mobs for 1200-1400 a tick |
| 22:46.11 | Dagmar | ..a.nd you'd get more ticks out of it because of hte haste |
| 22:46.27 | Dagmar | s/ticks/rounds/; |
| 22:46.48 | Dagmar | Oh and it crits really well, too. |
| 22:46.50 | alestane | Anyway Amarande, you don't have to raid to get CC rep...just nuke Silithus for a week. |
| 22:47.17 | alestane | Honestly, two or three days is probably enough if you have a lot of time for it. |
| 22:47.34 | Dagmar | Yeah especially now that you get full faction credit for kills. |
| 22:47.57 | foxlit | p.s: do the stone summons |
| 22:48.07 | alestane | The only thing that might be any challenge outdoors is if you decide to summon an abyssal duke. |
| 22:48.44 | tem | oh wow. The lowest dps on Paragon's Anub kill was 6k |
| 22:48.45 | Dagmar | Those are the faustian ones? |
| 22:48.46 | alestane | And even that you should have a fair shot at soloing. |
| 22:49.26 | Kalroth | tem: that's inflated from the 4 adds though |
| 22:49.52 | Dagmar | Oh I see |
| 22:50.25 | Amarande | hm |
| 22:50.36 | Amarande | black jelly restores 45k health and 38.4k mana. |
| 22:50.39 | Dagmar | 500 rep per duke |
| 22:50.41 | Dagmar | Not bad |
| 22:50.45 | alestane | Wait, I think the Greater Wind Stones summon princes. Whichever ones they are, they're the only ones that are any challenge. |
| 22:50.58 | Amarande | wonders what the HP/mana inflation is going to be like next expansion ... heh |
| 22:51.19 | alestane | Well, they're only adding five levels. |
| 22:51.26 | Amarande | these sprouts who started with WoW know nothing! |
| 22:51.36 | Dagmar | I kinda agree |
| 22:51.41 | Amarande | back in MY day, you had a maximum limit of 9999 HP and 999 MP, and you got half of that if you were LUCKY! |
| 22:51.58 | alestane | Were you playing single-player Final Fantasy games? |
| 22:52.01 | Amarande | and if you wanted to heal your MP, you needed items that were harder to get than it was to walk uphill both ways in the rain! |
| 22:52.05 | Dagmar | Back in my day devs implemented class quests that meant having to stay logged in in a room by yourself for 24 hours straight |
| 22:52.15 | NeoTron | Amarande: now THAT sounds about right |
| 22:52.21 | tem | Kalroth, oh I see. I didn't realize how they were doing the fight |
| 22:52.30 | NeoTron | mana restoration items in some of the FF games were rather rediculously rare :P |
| 22:52.34 | Amarande | indeed |
| 22:52.39 | Amarande | ever try gathering up ethers in FF9? |
| 22:52.47 | tem | I'm curious how Paragon handles the adds all close to each other without holy wrath |
| 22:52.50 | Amarande | which always pissed me the everliving hell off |
| 22:52.55 | Amarande | because I LIKE using magic in RPGs |
| 22:52.56 | NeoTron | I never "farmed" any FF games |
| 22:52.56 | Kalroth | tem: Warrior tanks. |
| 22:53.02 | NeoTron | I played them and "won" the main questline |
| 22:53.04 | alestane | Yeah, my wife is partway through FF7 and was definitely nursing each ether along as far as she could stretch it. |
| 22:53.04 | Amarande | I find using the "attack" command over and over again to be boring :P |
| 22:53.13 | Dagmar | Amarande: It's to keep you from outleveling the sword-slinger types |
| 22:53.26 | Amarande | I think in most FF's I usually relied on tents |
| 22:53.33 | Kalroth | tem: Shockwave, Conc Blow, Holy Wrath, Imp Revenge and a timed Shield Block to get them off the stun DR timer. |
| 22:53.46 | Amarande | II is giving me fits though, with how fast you go through MP and how tedious it is to keep going back to inns to restore it |
| 22:53.55 | Dagmar | Yeah they failed when they didn't give you ways to directly reduce mana consumption |
| 22:54.14 | NeoTron | I found.. err... *checks* the combat in The Last Remnant to be a lot more fun than typical FF combat |
| 22:54.16 | Dagmar | Melee can at least reduce damage with more armor |
| 22:54.42 | Amarande | yeah, the early monsters get ridiculous in FF2 if you can keep your armor decent |
| 22:54.45 | Amarande | "you take 0 damage" |
| 22:54.49 | NeoTron | but that's more tactical combat with group based commands.. but the lakc of any after-combat status effects was also a bonus. hated those in FF in general |
| 22:55.04 | Amarande | I think taking 0 damage might even still count as taking damage for gaining more HP in FF2, too :) |
| 22:55.22 | Amarande | since I seem to gradually gain HP as I fight even if I get hurt little or none |
| 22:55.28 | Amarande | despite that they claim you need to get beat up to gain HP |
| 22:55.34 | alestane | Poison was awful in early Dragon Warrior games, where it would sap you as you were walking around the map. |
| 22:55.53 | Amarande | alestane: very worst poison in an RPG? |
| 22:55.54 | Amarande | Ultima III. |
| 22:55.59 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 22:56.05 | Amarande | Not only did it sap the hell out of you as you walked around |
| 22:56.21 | Amarande | but unlike Ultima IV-IX where cure was generally a stock lowbie spell, cure poison in III was a feat of epic proportions |
| 22:56.49 | Amarande | because you literally had to go to Ambrosia simply to have enough MP to cast it |
| 22:57.25 | Amarande | Then there were the Gold Box games, where poison was basically "oops yer dead" |
| 22:57.40 | NeoTron | the world has to see this gem found at amazon.de: http://www.amazon.de/dp/B000NL495I/ |
| 22:58.10 | Amarande | Actually, it was one of the basic design tenets of the late Gary Gygax, apparently, that poison that *didn't* instakill was a design flaw |
| 22:59.28 | Dagmar | "There was a level 2 scorpion in your boots. He stings you. Roll to stay alive." |
| 23:00.23 | Dagmar | Just make sure you do a New York Cabbie impresion when you say that. |
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| 23:04.01 | alestane | Strong poisons weren't more damaging, just harder to save against. |
| 23:04.17 | alestane | And pretty much all of them made you drop dead as soon as you failed your save. |
| 23:06.58 | alestane | Classic Dragonmirth cartoon: A grumpy-looking frog sits on a bar wearing a horned helm. A classic, somewhat clueless-looking barbarian standing next to him hoists a tankard and toasts: "To saving throws!" |
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| 23:10.01 | Kandoko | Anyone who uses BeanCounter at the neutral AH's a lot mind sending me there database for testing purposes? Need to make sure the data migrates cleanly. |
| 23:17.38 | Cruciformer | Just found another cool new use for Lua: I'm ebedding it into my MP3 tagger/renamer/editor so people can programatically add/edit/remove tags etc. |
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| 23:32.35 | NeoTron | so Daeke, a CM at the Champions Online forums just tweeted his in-game name. is he insane? |
| 23:32.57 | Iriel | His @Name? |
| 23:33.20 | NeoTron | yep |
| 23:33.24 | Iriel | he's brave 8-) |
| 23:33.28 | Dagmar | He'll be changing it soon |
| 23:33.30 | NeoTron | @Daeke.. apparentl |
| 23:33.32 | Iriel | Though they may have more filtering tools than we do |
| 23:33.51 | Iriel | No points to anyone who guesses my champions name |
| 23:34.14 | Dagmar | Mine's pretty easy. |
| 23:34.20 | Dagmar | I look like me, even. |
| 23:34.49 | Dagmar | Darn metro council not allowing me to have real gunbots tho |
| 23:34.53 | NeoTron | I saw the coolest, and most unique character, yesterday |
| 23:35.19 | NeoTron | basically a big frog |
| 23:35.19 | Dagmar | This city would be much safer if everyone were simply allowed two gun-toting robot minions instead of a CCP |
| 23:35.19 | Iriel | I saw a monkey called 'Hu Flung Pu' |
| 23:35.28 | NeoTron | lol |
| 23:35.43 | Iriel | He even had a small backstory explaining the name came from Master Po (the trainer) |
| 23:35.54 | NeoTron | How about two force users I saw in PvP: The Emperor (black robed figure) and Luke Skywalker (white tunic...) |
| 23:36.15 | NeoTron | totally unique and brilliant characters |
| 23:36.43 | Iriel | I need more character slots |
| 23:36.49 | NeoTron | CO really shows you the creative people, the copycat people and the people lacking any kind of taste at all |
| 23:37.35 | alestane | "Thank goodness you're here, Fancy Jr.! The Qulann are attacking the city!" |
| 23:37.59 | alestane | "Thank goodness you're here, Darth Gokuverine! The Qulann are attacking the city! |
| 23:38.01 | Dagmar | Thankfully, it shows us very few of the misanthropes. |
| 23:38.03 | NeoTron | NPC's come with some funny comments sometimes |
| 23:38.07 | Iriel | I just thank the heavens that the starting areas are instanced |
| 23:38.18 | NeoTron | one of them told my friend he was this weeks fashion disaster |
| 23:38.43 | Dagmar | That I've only seen one guy named "Ilikefriedchicke" says a lot about how well they're monitoring |
| 23:39.07 | Dagmar | After the ctrl-slt-del comic I'm sure there was a run on variations of 'cockasaur' |
| 23:39.29 | NeoTron | I'm sure they go more with the "report and act" vs trying to be proactive |
| 23:41.22 | NeoTron | http://www.champions-online.com/character_profiles/26921/view |
| 23:42.02 | NeoTron | do those links work outside my own account? |
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| 23:42.33 | foxlit | no |
| 23:43.06 | NeoTron | they barely work IN my account so.. yeah :P |
| 23:43.17 | Cruciformer | anyone here familiar with teh ins and outs of the gnu lgpl? more specifically, using Qt under the lgpl terms? |
| 23:43.23 | Iriel | They may work if signed in, let me check |
| 23:43.52 | Iriel | ... and no |
| 23:44.10 | Iriel | Though I get an "Unable to find character" error, twice |
| 23:44.12 | NeoTron | observant people can see that it's very possible to estimate the number of characters.. create a new one and check the character id |
| 23:44.15 | NeoTron | ah |
| 23:44.16 | NeoTron | reload |
| 23:44.27 | NeoTron | I get that too (thus "barely works for me") |
| 23:44.32 | Iriel | Mortibee |
| 23:44.40 | NeoTron | yep |
| 23:45.35 | Iriel | Your character looks disturbingly familiar |
| 23:45.39 | Iriel | Maybe it's just the head |
| 23:45.52 | NeoTron | it's the bug type 2 head or so |
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| 23:49.09 | NeoTron | but hey, maybe I ran into you :P |
| 23:49.22 | ScytheBlade1 | You learned how to create a new item: Emerald Bag |
| 23:49.24 | ScytheBlade1 | yay |
| 23:49.39 | Iriel | If you're L40 chances are you had more important places to be than the early areas. |
| 23:49.44 | NeoTron | what they really should have is a lair of some sort where, if you're using a cape, you get sucked into a jet engine or something |
| 23:50.18 | NeoTron | possibly, but I've in all areas post-40 to do unity lairs or help friends |
| 23:50.30 | NeoTron | ofc now I'm mostly working on my first alt (l25... :) |
| 23:50.34 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: I want to know when they'll fix the auction system they have |
| 23:51.42 | ScytheBlade1 | er? |
| 23:51.57 | Iriel | Your FIRST alt? |
| 23:52.04 | Iriel | eyes his 8 characters |
| 23:52.11 | NeoTron | Iriel: well. I have 4 |
| 23:52.11 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: Have you tried to use it yet? |
| 23:52.18 | NeoTron | but one is level 1 and one is level 10 |
| 23:52.20 | Dagmar | It returns a maximum of 100 hits on any searcj. |
| 23:52.22 | Dagmar | Period. |
| 23:52.36 | Dagmar | THere is no sorting. |
| 23:52.39 | NeoTron | yes it sucks |
| 23:52.40 | Dagmar | There is no seeing item #101. |
| 23:52.47 | Dagmar | I have been using it as a bank. |
| 23:52.56 | NeoTron | haha. yep that works |
| 23:53.01 | Dagmar | It's effectively useless right now. |
| 23:53.03 | NeoTron | since there's no cost or expiration |
| 23:53.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I have no idea what you're talking about |
| 23:53.11 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm talking about http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45773 |
| 23:53.12 | NeoTron | ScytheBlade1: market/ah in Champions Online |
| 23:53.16 | Dagmar | They have an auction house and a bank in Champions |
| 23:53.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I have not played it |
| 23:53.34 | Dagmar | Ah okay |
| 23:53.46 | Dagmar | It sounded like you were joining in on that convo |
| 23:53.50 | Iriel | Dagmar: well, enjoy your 4 remaining slots - they only give us 8 |
| 23:53.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ah, no |
| 23:54.07 | Dagmar | Who's "us"? |
| 23:54.09 | NeoTron | for now. two of my friends got their 16 lifetime account slots |
| 23:54.16 | Iriel | All but one of mine is >10 <20, and the remaining 1 is I think 7, waiting for a friend to get to the second tutorial stage |
| 23:54.22 | Dagmar | I only have four slots. No idea where others might be |
| 23:54.44 | Dagmar | Oh you mean toon slots |
| 23:54.54 | Iriel | Dagmar I transposed you and Neotron sorry, (he said he had 4) |
| 23:55.07 | Dagmar | No problem |
| 23:56.03 | NeoTron | Panthera, which is my main alt, has 3 distinct costumes. I mean she looks about the same (body structure wise) but that's the end of the similarities |
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| 23:56.17 | Amarande | bah |
| 23:56.26 | Amarande | as aff, I'm going to have to get myself a 32 slot soul bag soon I guess :S |
| 23:56.48 | Iriel | Since you're higher up, what's the level at which you can have multiple concurrent costumes? |
| 23:56.48 | Dagmar | why bother |
| 23:57.05 | NeoTron | hmm. All I know is that Panthera has 3 at 25 |
| 23:57.08 | Dagmar | You mean wear more than one at one time? |
| 23:57.22 | Iriel | I mean have different builds use different costumes |
| 23:57.26 | NeoTron | you can swap either via builds or the dropdown |
| 23:57.36 | NeoTron | I would have thought every 10 levels |
| 23:57.48 | NeoTron | but it might be it's level 20 and 40 + a bonus one from the supergroup |
| 23:57.56 | Iriel | NeoTron: That sounds right |
| 23:58.16 | Dagmar | I know I have two at level 17 |
| 23:58.30 | Iriel | Dagmar: are you in a SG? |
| 23:58.31 | Dagmar | ..not that I've bothered using the second one |
| 23:58.34 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 23:58.39 | Dagmar | I've only grouped once. |
| 23:58.56 | Dagmar | I had to have someone tell me how the eff you sidekick someone |
| 23:59.04 | Dagmar | You know what the *sad* thing is? |
| 23:59.28 | Dagmar | We were trying to nibble down that giant robot that spawns by the museum, and I stay alive better than the people who were five levels above me |
| 23:59.35 | NeoTron | hehe |
| 23:59.42 | NeoTron | he's pretty nasty |
