| 00:00.11 | roastx | hatched on our floor |
| 00:00.11 | roastx | in a bloody mess |
| 00:00.19 | Shirik | also, what is up with google? |
| 00:00.24 | roastx | one died in birth :( |
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| 00:00.34 | Dagmar | Shirik: Aliens |
| 00:00.37 | Shirik | "1.12.12 25.15.21.18 15 1.18.5 2.5.12.15.14.7 20.15 21.19" and their logo being all "unexplained phenomena" |
| 00:00.59 | Shirik | it seems very oddly coincidental to our earlier discussion |
| 00:01.03 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 00:01.29 | Dagmar | What are those numbers from? |
| 00:01.31 | mikma | tekkub: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/epicpizza.jpg |
| 00:01.35 | Shirik | from google |
| 00:01.39 | Shirik | a twitter message they posted |
| 00:01.45 | Shirik | it says "All your 'O' are belong to us" |
| 00:01.55 | Dagmar | You're kidding me |
| 00:01.59 | Shirik | nope |
| 00:02.38 | Shirik | lua> s = "1.12.12 25.15.21.18 15 1.18.5 2.5.12.15.14.7 20.15 21.19"; for v in s:gmatch("%d+") do print(string.char(tonumber(v))) end |
| 00:02.39 | lua_bot | , , , , , , , , |
| 00:02.41 | Shirik | er |
| 00:03.01 | Shirik | lua> s = "1.12.12 25.15.21.18 15 1.18.5 2.5.12.15.14.7 20.15 21.19"; for v in s:gmatch("%d+") do print(string.char(tonumber(v) + tonumber('a') - 1)) end |
| 00:03.01 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a nil value |
| 00:03.04 | Shirik | :( |
| 00:03.05 | Dagmar | lol |
| 00:03.14 | Shirik | lua> s = "1.12.12 25.15.21.18 15 1.18.5 2.5.12.15.14.7 20.15 21.19"; for v in s:gmatch("%d+") do print(string.char(tonumber(v) + string.byte('a') - 1)) end |
| 00:03.14 | lua_bot | Shirik: a, l, l, y, o, u, r, o, a, r, e, b, e, l, o, n, g, t, o, u, s |
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| 00:03.55 | Dagmar | That's pretty funny |
| 00:04.32 | Shirik | lua> m = ""; s = "1.12.12 25.15.21.18 15 1.18.5 2.5.12.15.14.7 20.15 21.19"; for v in s:gmatch("[%d ]+") do m = m ..(v:match("%d+") and string.char(tonumber(v) + string.byte('a') - 1) or " ") end print(m) |
| 00:04.33 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a nil value |
| 00:04.34 | Dagmar | Press: "What is the meaning of your 'unexplained phenomena' logo?" |
| 00:04.35 | Shirik | sigh |
| 00:04.38 | Dagmar | Google: *crickets* |
| 00:05.19 | Shirik | lua> m = ""; s = "1.12.12 25.15.21.18 15 1.18.5 2.5.12.15.14.7 20.15 21.19"; for v in s:gmatch("[%d ]+") do m = m ..(v:match("%d+") and string.char(tonumber(v) + string.byte('a') - 1)) or " " end print(m) |
| 00:05.19 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a nil value |
| 00:05.21 | Shirik | I give up |
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| 00:05.25 | Shirik | You can see it though |
| 00:05.37 | Dagmar | Well, yeah I was just about to work it out when you said waht ti was |
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| 00:06.25 | ccox | google's doodle is generating a bit of buzz |
| 00:06.36 | Dagmar | Maybe someone shoudl make sure all of Sergei's last two weeks' are accounted for |
| 00:07.02 | Dagmar | If he went missing for a few days, that could 'splain some things |
| 00:07.51 | Dagmar | 'cuz you know... It's not like he could go to the press and say "I made Google, and last week aliens took me up in their spaceship and we checked out Neptune. They're thinking about making us an offer on it." |
| 00:08.06 | Dagmar | The stockholders would explode. |
| 00:08.58 | Lopeppeppy | and half an hour of scritching later, she's calming down and starting to groom her wet fur. :) |
| 00:10.33 | Shirik | sigh |
| 00:10.37 | Shirik | Lua patterns are incapable of doing what I want |
| 00:10.40 | Shirik | I found the problem |
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| 00:11.15 | Shirik | I really want a "%d+|[ ]+" not "[%d ]+" |
| 00:11.20 | Dagmar | Brute force. |
| 00:11.39 | Shirik | Even my beloved frontier pattern I can't find a way to solve the problem |
| 00:11.55 | Dagmar | Replace all the spaces with triple spaces and the dots with spaces |
| 00:12.12 | Dagmar | Then use space as a list separator |
| 00:12.43 | Dagmar | ...or replace space with -33 |
| 00:12.54 | Shirik | but I wanted gmatch to do all the work :( |
| 00:13.07 | Dagmar | Only perl lets you do things that insane |
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| 00:17.41 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:17.51 | Shirik | I have found what I think the the only Google acknowledgement of the UFO on their page |
| 00:18.17 | Shirik | "In spite of the 'unexplained phenomenon' that some users are experiencing with Top Bar Navigational Links missing from search results pages, the Google Doodle UFO did not abduct them. " |
| 00:18.33 | Shirik | apparently their UFO logo broke one of their pages :P |
| 00:18.36 | Shirik | accidentally |
| 00:19.55 | Wobin | hehe |
| 00:20.07 | Wobin | Ben and Jerry's renaming Chubby Hubby to Hubby Hubby =P |
| 00:20.28 | Shirik | ? |
| 00:20.47 | Wobin | http://www.snopes.com/politics/sexuality/hubby.asp |
| 00:21.50 | Lopeppeppy | I love it. |
| 00:21.50 | Dagmar | That's messed up |
| 00:22.04 | Dagmar | Personally, I would rather they keep making Cinnamon Buns |
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| 00:22.17 | Dagmar | ...since they're holding out on the ice cream with little pies in it |
| 00:22.31 | Wobin | Ice cream with -pies- in it? |
| 00:22.51 | Dagmar | Like from The Simpsons |
| 00:23.02 | Dagmar | Ice Cream with little cinnamon buns in it is close enough for me |
| 00:25.36 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, I blame you |
| 00:25.57 | Lopeppeppy | whyfor this time? |
| 00:36.05 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, because my cookies are good |
| 00:36.14 | Shirik | you made me make them |
| 00:37.13 | Lopeppeppy | Sweetie, I can't help you if I'm not there. |
| 00:38.11 | Shirik | quantnum mechanics are so wierd |
| 00:38.19 | Dagmar | Yes |
| 00:38.31 | Lopeppeppy | I agree |
| 00:38.32 | Dagmar | Do not study them on LSD. |
| 00:38.45 | Dagmar | They start making sense then. |
| 00:38.47 | Shirik | We know that electrical resistance occurs due to electrons colliding with the material in which it is traveling |
| 00:39.12 | Dagmar | I dunnoa bout colliding |
| 00:39.30 | Shirik | Superconductors occur due to quantnum mechanics.... by making the colliding item LARGER, not smaller |
| 00:39.43 | Dagmar | Causing vibrations due to an imperfect path between and around other molecules yes, but colliding, I doubt |
| 00:39.44 | Shirik | electrons no longer move by themselves, but in pairs |
| 00:39.56 | Shirik | well it depends on how you define "colliding" |
| 00:40.01 | Shirik | it's impossible to "collide" imo |
| 00:40.12 | Dagmar | Tell that to Oppenheimer |
| 00:40.15 | Shirik | but people say they run into walls all the time |
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| 00:40.29 | Shirik | In fact, I should tell my insurance agency this |
| 00:40.33 | Shirik | my car never hit that lady's |
| 00:40.39 | Shirik | I shouldn't have to pay for the damages |
| 00:40.58 | Shirik | I wonder if that's how the law is written |
| 00:41.51 | Lopeppeppy | I... doubt it. |
| 00:45.36 | Dagmar | I'm thinking a deputy of some stripe would then demonstrate why his baton can't collide with your head |
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| 00:47.57 | Lopeppeppy | repeatedly |
| 00:49.05 | Shirik | :( |
| 00:49.54 | Dagmar | AMuse yourself by watching this video repeatedly and thinking about electrons http://www.instructables.com/id/EM1QXFQ1QLES84IJWQ/ |
| 00:51.40 | ScytheBlade1 | yay my addon logic is complete |
| 00:51.42 | ScytheBlade1 | now for the GUI |
| 00:51.43 | ScytheBlade1 | cries |
| 00:52.13 | foxlit | Aw, c'mon, GUIs are fun. |
| 00:52.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I hate GUIs with a burning passion |
| 00:52.20 | ScytheBlade1 | -hate- |
| 00:52.27 | ScytheBlade1 | *designing GUIs |
| 00:52.32 | Dagmar | But... it's the part when you get to be all artsy and just click on stuff |
| 00:52.42 | ScytheBlade1 | oh right, foxlit |
| 00:52.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I quit the game for nine months |
| 00:52.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Come back |
| 00:53.07 | ScytheBlade1 | And find that opie still doesn't have disenchant listed under the default professions ring |
| 00:53.11 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf? :) |
| 00:53.17 | foxlit | So add it. |
| 00:53.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I did |
| 00:53.33 | foxlit | Problem fixed? :) |
| 00:53.41 | ScytheBlade1 | But I'm pretty sure I poked and prodded you to add it to the *default* back before I quit ;) |
| 00:53.58 | foxlit | I'm not sure what I replied. |
| 00:54.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 00:54.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Well here |
| 00:54.25 | foxlit | But basically, Disenchant doesn't line up with what I think is useful on that ring. |
| 00:54.34 | foxlit | If it is for you, it's a 5 second fix :) |
| 00:54.36 | ScytheBlade1 | -.- |
| 00:54.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I use it as a one-keystroke-stop for all things profession related |
| 00:54.59 | ScytheBlade1 | (I also added Basic Campfire) |
| 00:55.11 | foxlit | Prospecting and Milling aren't on there for much the same reason. |
| 00:55.22 | foxlit | [I wonder if I added inscription, however. No one seemed to whine about that.] |
| 00:55.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah I don't have either of those on any character |
| 00:55.27 | Dagmar | Did they make campfires needed for making Kungaloosh or something? |
| 00:55.28 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:55.50 | foxlit | It's mostly because I tend to disenchant/prospect/mill multiple items at the same time. |
| 00:55.54 | ScytheBlade1 | okay then foxlit |
| 00:56.08 | ScytheBlade1 | You should reconsider what the default professions ring is for ;) |
| 00:56.32 | ScytheBlade1 | I don't have any buttons on screen |
| 00:56.41 | ScytheBlade1 | So I can either open my spellbook, or keybind it |
| 00:56.55 | ScytheBlade1 | .. opie gives me a great way to keybind piles of rarely used abilities |
| 00:56.55 | foxlit | Find item -> open ring -> select disenchant -> find item again -> click -> loot -> find another item -> open ring -> select disenchant -> find item again -> click... isn't very comfortable. |
| 00:57.06 | foxlit | I tend to do Shift-2, 6-click, 6-click, 6-click. |
| 00:57.08 | ScytheBlade1 | When you open from mouse it is |
| 00:57.25 | ScytheBlade1 | "Center rings at mouse" rather |
| 00:57.26 | foxlit | I'm not sure that works above item buttons. |
| 00:57.43 | foxlit | (keyboard bindings would, of course) |
| 00:57.46 | ScytheBlade1 | for me, it is ctrl+shift+mouse 5, a quick drag up, and then release mouse 5 |
| 00:57.49 | Shirik | Do not use opie |
| 00:57.53 | Shirik | google has demanded it |
| 00:57.54 | ScytheBlade1 | which sounds a lot more painful than it is |
| 00:58.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: it is time.. for me to code some XML for a WoW UI |
| 00:58.58 | Shirik | then you shall die |
| 01:01.36 | Shirik | wtf |
| 01:01.39 | Shirik | another storm late at night |
| 01:01.45 | Shirik | what is this crazy weather |
| 01:03.18 | Lopeppeppy | ... End of summer, dear |
| 01:04.07 | ScytheBlade1 | monsoon season approaches |
| 01:04.17 | Shirik | wtb hurricanes |
| 01:04.26 | Lopeppeppy | Batten down the hatches |
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| 01:13.38 | Shirik | hmm |
| 01:13.45 | Shirik | I'm impressed |
| 01:14.02 | Shirik | ISO 1000 and the noise is correctable |
| 01:14.52 | Shirik | here's an odd question |
| 01:15.00 | Shirik | can Photoshop apply a graduated color temperature correction? |
| 01:15.34 | Dagmar | If it can't you can fake it with a dual-layer alpha blend |
| 01:15.36 | Thunder_Child | vs? |
| 01:16.06 | Shirik | what's vs? |
| 01:16.29 | Thunder_Child | vs = as opsosed to what? |
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| 01:16.44 | Shirik | I'm not sure what you're asking :/ |
| 01:16.58 | Shirik | I just want to know if there's a way to do a graduated color temperature correction |
| 01:17.07 | Shirik | instead of correcting the entire picture |
| 01:17.12 | Thunder_Child | ;ayers |
| 01:17.15 | Thunder_Child | layers* |
| 01:17.20 | Thunder_Child | Learn 2 Layer |
| 01:17.26 | Shirik | I need to learn a lot about PS :( |
| 01:17.37 | Shirik | I don't know what I think of this photo, hmm :/ |
| 01:17.44 | Lopeppeppy | Take a class, dear. |
| 01:17.46 | Shirik | I can't tell if I'm supposed to make it more yellow or not |
| 01:17.54 | Shirik | You know |
| 01:17.55 | Shirik | when I used film |
| 01:18.04 | Shirik | there was none of this white balance nonsense |
| 01:18.20 | Shirik | you evil digital people have corrupted the photography world |
| 01:18.50 | Lopeppeppy | is evil |
| 01:18.55 | Corrodias | there was too white balance shit |
| 01:18.59 | Corrodias | the photo lab just did it for you |
| 01:19.06 | Shirik | we used filters! |
| 01:19.12 | Shirik | We understood the light and took care of it |
| 01:19.26 | Shirik | though there really isn't an appropriate filter for this |
| 01:19.31 | Corrodias | filters that didn't give you control as fine as you'll get processing raw digital images anyway |
| 01:19.36 | Shirik | space shuttle in the background lights up the entire sky very yellow |
| 01:19.44 | Corrodias | that... would be a challenge, yes |
| 01:19.46 | Shirik | but it doesn't affect the nearby landscape |
| 01:19.56 | Shirik | which is lit up by local lights |
| 01:20.06 | Shirik | And I have no idea what looks better :/ |
| 01:22.09 | Shirik | here Corrodias / Thunder_Child tell me what you think |
| 01:22.12 | Shirik | these are my two candidates |
| 01:22.27 | Shirik | (please ignore the poor composition) |
| 01:22.31 | Ackis | I was just mollested by a farting, black kittne |
| 01:22.54 | Shirik | 2476K http://images.gammatester.com/pics/885b83408d4ef91e1dc0974757479a9d.jpg |
| 01:22.58 | Thunder_Child | kittne? |
| 01:23.02 | Thunder_Child | must have been scary |
| 01:23.09 | Ackis | *kitten |
| 01:23.12 | Ackis | you guys know I can't type |
| 01:23.25 | Thunder_Child | join the club |
| 01:23.58 | Corrodias | what's that in the lower-right corner of the image, Shirik? |
| 01:24.06 | Shirik | 3310K http://images.gammatester.com/pics/3b4b3dce175910849de6be4c1f64f4d3.jpg |
| 01:24.10 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i assume you are trying to get clarity on the shuttle but not lose the city lights? |
| 01:24.13 | Shirik | You know I've been trying to figure that one out myself Corrodias |
| 01:24.35 | Shirik | and btw, here's how it was shot |
| 01:24.37 | Corrodias | i think the bluer one looks more natural in every way, Shiibot. |
| 01:24.40 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, the second looks way fake |
| 01:24.42 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, he needs obedience lessons. |
| 01:24.43 | Corrodias | er... you know who i'm talking to. |
| 01:24.52 | Shirik | funny you would say that Thunder_Child |
| 01:24.57 | Shirik | because the original shot was at 5500K |
| 01:25.00 | Corrodias | the city lights may be bluer than they are in reality, but they still look great |
| 01:25.08 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: not sure if I can train a cat not to fart :P |
| 01:25.10 | Thunder_Child | oh, i know. i'm just saying |
| 01:25.18 | Iriel | I agree the blue one looks better |
| 01:25.18 | Shirik | sorry, 5000K |
| 01:25.27 | Lopeppeppy | You can fix his diet |
| 01:25.29 | Thunder_Child | thats how it comes out manny a time |
| 01:25.40 | Iriel | It's not really "shot at 5500K" |
| 01:25.45 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/5fe0274e4d0b630da5573dc7426efbe0.jpg |
| 01:25.51 | Iriel | it's that the camera guessed that 5500K was the right balance point at the time of shooting |
| 01:26.00 | Shirik | Iriel, actually, that was not a guess |
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| 01:26.08 | Shirik | I calibrate on a gray card |
| 01:26.20 | Shirik | however, in a circumstance like this, that's wrong |
| 01:26.25 | Shirik | which is why I'm now trying to do that in post processing |
| 01:26.33 | Shirik | because the light source is not ambient, it's the distant source |
| 01:26.36 | Wobin | because that calibration works on close range stuff? |
| 01:26.39 | Shirik | right |
| 01:26.43 | Iriel | right, so you guessed from the grey card |
| 01:26.52 | Iriel | It's still a guess 8-) |
| 01:26.56 | Shirik | lol fine :P |
| 01:27.00 | Shirik | But interestingly enough |
| 01:27.12 | Shirik | the 5000K shot is actually probably the closest to what it actually was |
| 01:27.21 | Shirik | I just don't think that's how it should have looked |
| 01:27.30 | Shirik | you would have had to be there |
| 01:27.34 | Shirik | it's quite an interesting sight |
| 01:27.37 | Corrodias | we all like the bluer one more, so if you choose the othe rone, we're going to hunt and murder you for sport. |
| 01:27.42 | Shirik | lol |
| 01:27.55 | Corrodias | and then take a poorly-balanced photo of your corpse |
| 01:28.06 | Shirik | still even in the blue one |
| 01:28.19 | Shirik | doesn't the foreground look a bit too yellow? |
| 01:28.20 | Shirik | or is it just me |
| 01:28.48 | Corrodias | hard to say. |
| 01:29.00 | Shirik | Corrodias, I think that might be a boat |
| 01:29.09 | Shirik | er |
| 01:29.11 | Shirik | whoever asked |
| 01:29.15 | Corrodias | things were lit with a yellow light, so a little cast wouldn't be unexpected.. |
| 01:31.00 | Corrodias | i don't know, i think it looks nice. i can't say whether it's perfect. photography is pretty subjective anyway, as soon as you step away from raw data. |
| 01:31.24 | Shirik | It isn't remotely what I wanted tbh |
| 01:31.27 | Shirik | but it's ok |
| 01:31.30 | Wobin | hehe |
| 01:31.31 | Wobin | http://vkcouplestesting.com/ |
| 01:31.36 | Shirik | That shot was one of the most technically challenging I've ever done |
| 01:31.49 | Shirik | I had to do it full manual frantically |
| 01:31.53 | Shirik | since I had a limited timeframe |
| 01:32.02 | Dagmar | Wobin: WTF is that supposed to be? |
| 01:32.03 | Shirik | and the camera refused to give meaningful metering |
| 01:32.25 | Wobin | Dagmar: http://www.xkcd.com/ |
| 01:32.25 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes the best shots are serendipity |
| 01:33.05 | Wobin | serendipity: A nice way of saying "Once In A Lifetime" =P |
| 01:33.24 | Guest52430 | grr |
| 01:34.13 | Lopeppeppy | Er. Hi kd3 |
| 01:35.13 | Shirik | kd3 is trying to be like me |
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| 01:36.38 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, L2Auto |
| 01:36.43 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ48NQjouoE |
| 01:36.43 | Shirik | nah |
| 01:36.47 | Shirik | doesn't give me consistent results |
| 01:37.00 | Shirik | cameras assume pictures are supposed to be 18% gray average |
| 01:37.06 | Shirik | that's simply not true of life |
| 01:37.26 | Thunder_Child | it can all be changed after |
| 01:37.31 | Thunder_Child | welcome to digital |
| 01:37.35 | Shirik | better to get it right the first time imo |
| 01:37.44 | Thunder_Child | better to get it. |
| 01:37.48 | Shirik | I did get it |
| 01:37.49 | Shirik | didn't I? |
| 01:38.05 | Shirik | oh wait, you mean exposure here? |
| 01:38.13 | Shirik | no, the camera was going nuts on this shot |
| 01:38.19 | Shirik | it wanted to take 30 second shots, etc. |
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| 01:38.31 | Wobin | "More light! *crai*" |
| 01:38.36 | Thunder_Child | could have used a center meter |
| 01:41.03 | Shirik | it's not in the center... |
| 01:42.08 | Thunder_Child | take more than one shot and panorama it |
| 01:42.27 | Shirik | a shuttle launch |
| 01:42.32 | Shirik | you want to panorama a shuttle launch |
| 01:42.48 | Thunder_Child | the city isnt moving, only the shuttle is |
| 01:43.03 | Shirik | don't you think that might be a problem? |
| 01:43.20 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 01:43.26 | Corrodias | Shirik: you want a camera that stores RAW images, so you can edit the balance properly afterward |
| 01:43.30 | Thunder_Child | otherwise i would not have said it |
| 01:43.37 | Thunder_Child | he does use raw |
| 01:43.46 | Wobin | Corrodias: he does have one |
| 01:43.47 | Thunder_Child | he just is still in the film mindset |
| 01:43.48 | Wobin | is envious |
| 01:43.56 | Shirik | loves his camera |
| 01:43.58 | Corrodias | ah ah, ok |
| 01:44.07 | Corrodias | the camera assumes nothing on the RAW image |
| 01:44.08 | Wobin | Shirik has "awesome camera" |
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| 01:44.31 | Shirik | it stores capture data |
| 01:44.34 | Shirik | which is then used to render it |
| 01:44.40 | Shirik | i.e., white balance, etc. |
| 01:45.12 | Thunder_Child | Shirik's awsome camera is getting outdated since they just announced the 7D |
| 01:45.16 | Dagmar | Shhh! Watch how loud you say that! |
| 01:45.17 | Shirik | blah blah |
| 01:45.29 | Shirik | my camera does what I need it to do :) |
| 01:45.40 | Thunder_Child | HD vid is nice as well |
| 01:45.46 | Thunder_Child | now i need to upgrade mine |
| 01:45.52 | Lopeppeppy | Bah humbug, I really can't tell my cats apart at a distance, this is gonna suck |
| 01:46.00 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 01:46.13 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 01:46.31 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: 7D seems to have lower specs? |
| 01:46.52 | Shirik | except they boosted it to 8FPS |
| 01:47.04 | Shirik | p.s. holy shit |
| 01:48.13 | Thunder_Child | i see what you mean Shirik, but.... |
| 01:48.27 | Thunder_Child | pixel density for example is more than double |
| 01:48.32 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare_post.asp?method=sidebyside&cameras=canon_eos7d%2Ccanon_eos5dmkii&show=all |
| 01:48.43 | Thunder_Child | smaller sensor though |
| 01:49.15 | Shirik | how is that possible |
| 01:49.16 | Shirik | is it ef-s? |
| 01:49.23 | Thunder_Child | i think so |
| 01:49.26 | Thunder_Child | FLM is 1.6 |
| 01:49.36 | foxlit | higher density + less pixels == smaller sensor |
| 01:49.37 | Shirik | yeah then it probably is |
| 01:49.49 | foxlit | No "though" about it :) |
| 01:50.38 | Shirik | I think it will be an interesting debate to see if people prefer the 5D2 or the 7D |
| 01:50.42 | Thunder_Child | .3 oz more |
| 01:50.50 | Thunder_Child | must be the built in flash |
| 01:51.19 | Thunder_Child | i prefer it since i have a ef-s lens |
| 01:51.41 | Shirik | I would rather have a full frame sensor :) |
| 01:51.53 | Shirik | of course, that would cost a lot more for you since you would need entirely new lenses |
| 01:51.58 | Thunder_Child | yep |
| 01:52.03 | Shirik | me, it made no difference since I needed new lenses anyway |
| 01:52.26 | Thunder_Child | hmm...this seems more like a branch than an upgrade |
| 01:52.40 | Iriel | Nikon do that a lot |
| 01:52.45 | Iriel | branches, that is |
| 01:53.24 | Thunder_Child | interesting..."And indeed, this is intended as big brother to the 50D, rather than as a replacement for it." |
| 01:53.40 | Thunder_Child | dont know why they didnt call it the 70D then |
| 01:54.36 | Shirik | I don't know where they get any of their numbers |
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| 02:04.59 | Thunder_Child | out of their ass Shirik |
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| 02:10.18 | MentalPower | same place intel gets theirs |
| 02:10.47 | Kraps | evening |
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| 02:17.07 | Yssaril | anyone know if its possible to rotate a 3d model in wow around more than one axis? |
| 02:18.41 | Lopeppeppy | I would assume so, since you can rotate your camera to look down on your head... but that's a guess. |
| 02:19.30 | Yssaril | i also assumed and so far no luck /cry |
| 02:19.56 | Lopeppeppy | Just because it's possible for the game engine to do, doesn't mean those functions are available to players. |
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| 02:35.59 | Shirik | huh |
| 02:36.09 | Shirik | I accidentally caught some lightning in one of my shots |
| 02:36.11 | Lopeppeppy | buh |
| 02:36.18 | Lopeppeppy | Neat. |
| 02:36.26 | Shirik | I can't tell whether I like it or not |
| 02:36.49 | Lopeppeppy | Then don't judge. Just accept that you got a lightning shot. |
| 02:39.15 | Shirik | I have to judge! |
| 02:40.32 | Lopeppeppy | why? |
| 02:41.55 | Corrodias | lightning automatically makes everything better. |
| 02:44.14 | Lopeppeppy | Prettier. |
| 02:49.48 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, because, if I don't judge my pictures, they'll never get better |
| 02:50.07 | Shirik | The only way to get better is to find everything you do wrong |
| 02:50.26 | ScytheBlade1 | hm |
| 02:50.41 | ScytheBlade1 | I have a frame with a set width and height |
| 02:50.45 | Lopeppeppy | What I'm saying is to try not to think it's automatically "wrong". |
| 02:50.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Trying to add a texture that fits the width of the frame and takes up 12.5% of the height |
| 02:51.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Yet if I use relative dimensions (1 and 0.125 respectively) it takes up 100%/12.5% of the entire screen, instead of the parent frame :( |
| 02:51.25 | Iriel | Can't you just SetPoint it? |
| 02:51.53 | Adys | Wow. |
| 02:51.55 | Iriel | Well, if it's got set width/height you can just calculate the abs dimensions |
| 02:52.05 | Adys | I was on the couch, I sneezed |
| 02:52.10 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, I'm only setting top right |
| 02:52.10 | ScytheBlade1 | whoops |
| 02:52.14 | Adys | and my bathroom's lightbulb fell down |
| 02:52.22 | Shirik | o.o |
| 02:53.11 | Lopeppeppy | ... powerful stuff, Adys |
| 02:53.15 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm debating calculating the absolute dimensions |
| 02:53.19 | Adys | yeah |
| 02:53.25 | ScytheBlade1 | But that's extra pain when resizing the frame |
| 02:57.01 | Adys | jnwhiteh: ping |
| 02:57.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Let's play a game of spot the error! |
| 02:57.38 | ScytheBlade1 | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/124711 |
| 02:57.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Parent is a fixed size frame |
| 02:57.46 | ScytheBlade1 | *Parent |
| 02:58.15 | ScytheBlade1 | But it is still relative to the entire screen |
| 02:59.07 | ScytheBlade1 | .. and the width is actually wider than the physical screen |
| 02:59.09 | ScytheBlade1 | blinks |
| 02:59.19 | Adys | !api GetBackpackCurrencyInfo |
| 02:59.20 | lua_bot | GetBackpackCurrencyInfo: Returns information about a currency marked for watching on the Backpack UI (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetBackpackCurrencyInfo) |
| 03:03.20 | Yssaril | ScytheBlade1: you sure that RelDimension is valid wow xml? |
| 03:03.44 | ScytheBlade1 | positive |
| 03:04.09 | Yssaril | also the first error i spot is that you wrote the thing in XML :P |
| 03:04.19 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:05.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I may just end up hiding all of the elements here by default and manipulating them with lua |
| 03:05.31 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: what is your resolution? |
| 03:05.47 | ScytheBlade1 | 1680x1050 |
| 03:06.06 | Yssaril | ScytheBlade1: just write them in lua to begin with then you can just create them when needed |
| 03:06.11 | Iriel | ScytheBlade1: odd then, though the mojo of RelDimension is odd |
| 03:06.37 | ScytheBlade1 | no UI scale, fwiw |
| 03:06.46 | ScytheBlade1 | And I'm noticing that |
| 03:06.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I was hoping to have an easy way to scale bars |
| 03:08.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I've used it before for just this |
| 03:08.13 | Shirik | .... best commercial ever |
| 03:08.15 | Yssaril | ScytheBlade1: just parent everything to the same frame and then use :SetScale() on that frame all the children inherit the scale |
| 03:08.23 | Shirik | "Play adult swim games at work.... because the porn sites are blocked!" |
| 03:08.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Textures can't really be parented to anything else |
| 03:09.21 | Yssaril | a textures parent is always the frame that spawned the texture |
| 03:09.28 | ScytheBlade1 | exactly |
| 03:09.57 | Yssaril | so as long as that frame is parented to your one frame everything scales just fine |
| 03:10.35 | Shirik | Ok |
| 03:10.38 | Shirik | I want to destroy Apple more than ever now |
| 03:10.44 | Lopeppeppy | whyfor? |
| 03:10.55 | Yssaril | lol |
| 03:11.14 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYbOthXnqTA |
| 03:11.21 | Adys | !api format |
| 03:11.22 | lua_bot | format: Returns a formatted string containing specified values (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/format) |
| 03:11.35 | Shirik | That commercial is totally misleading, and they know it |
| 03:12.04 | Shirik | that has got to be one of the lowest marketing blows I've seen in the computing industry in a long time |
| 03:12.54 | Corrodias | i have no love for apple |
| 03:13.00 | Yssaril | almost makes one want to start coding viruses to attack macs just to piss them off |
| 03:13.27 | Corrodias | and i dislike people get getting their products |
| 03:13.33 | Corrodias | yet nobody else seems to give a damn |
| 03:14.25 | Shirik | I will found the mac branch of anti-sec |
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| 03:28.06 | Shirik | And when I destroy |
| 03:28.08 | Shirik | apple |
| 03:28.12 | Shirik | I swear I will destroy Lee too |
| 03:28.19 | Shirik | this lady needs to shut the hell up |
| 03:28.20 | Corrodias | the jeans company? |
| 03:28.53 | Shirik | no |
| 03:29.01 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9tAbLqC9WY |
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| 03:29.13 | Shirik | She says "70% off" like every other sentencve |
| 03:29.20 | Shirik | and I'm like "omg get the hell off my TV" |
| 03:29.28 | Shirik | and it plays EVERY break |
| 03:29.42 | Corrodias | it's like the insane, female version of billy mays if he had no experience at all. |
| 03:29.58 | Shirik | yes |
| 03:30.01 | Shirik | exactly |
| 03:30.17 | Shirik | so annoying, you have no idea |
| 03:30.27 | Corrodias | fortunately. |
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| 03:30.38 | Shirik | You have seen it once |
| 03:30.42 | Shirik | I see it every 15 minutes |
| 03:30.55 | Shirik | And something's really broken now because for the last 2 weeks she's said "Last 9 days!" |
| 03:30.59 | Shirik | I should sue her for false advertising |
| 03:31.48 | Corrodias | your case isn't strong unless you've lost money on it |
| 03:31.55 | Corrodias | sadly |
| 03:32.13 | Shirik | I have pain and suffering |
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| 03:41.12 | Thunder_Child | and yet you dont even know me that well Shirik |
| 03:41.20 | Shirik | ? |
| 03:41.34 | Thunder_Child | "@Shirik: I have pain and suffering" |
| 03:41.44 | Corrodias | i don't get it |
| 03:41.56 | Thunder_Child | i cause pain and suffering |
| 03:42.31 | Shirik | You know what causes pain and suffering? |
| 03:42.33 | Shirik | HDR shots |
| 03:42.37 | Shirik | I have this beautiful HDR |
| 03:42.39 | Shirik | BEAUTIFUL |
| 03:42.43 | Shirik | except for one tiny piece |
| 03:42.49 | Shirik | that for some reason keeps getting fucked up for no reason |
| 03:42.56 | Shirik | and it makes me qq |
| 03:43.37 | Shirik | I think photoshop hates me |
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| 04:09.55 | Shirik | bleach has got to be the strangest anime I've ever watched |
| 04:09.58 | Shirik | why do people like this crap? |
| 04:12.10 | Thunder_Child | good question |
| 04:12.21 | Arrowmaster | it used to be better |
| 04:12.29 | Shirik | !reload |
| 04:12.30 | Shiibot | Cannot reload AI. Using fail safes. cannot open ai.lua: No such file or directory |
| 04:12.34 | Shirik | ... what? |
| 04:12.46 | Shirik | !reload |
| 04:12.46 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 04:12.49 | Shirik | that was wierd |
| 04:12.51 | Thunder_Child | ~comfort Shirik |
| 04:12.52 | purl | There, there, Shirik. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 04:13.01 | Shirik | I guess it didn't finish writing |
| 04:13.57 | Shirik | !ping |
| 04:13.57 | batbot | Shirik: pong! |
| 04:14.00 | Shirik | er |
| 04:14.04 | Shirik | wrongbot! |
| 04:14.09 | Shirik | gtfo batbot |
| 04:14.18 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19717564168&sid=1 |
| 04:14.58 | Shirik | !reload |
| 04:14.58 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 04:15.03 | Shirik | !ping |
| 04:15.04 | batbot | Shirik: pong! |
| 04:15.09 | Shirik | epic failure |
| 04:15.44 | Corrodias | bleeter: lol @ idiot |
| 04:16.31 | bleeter | Corrodias: A1 class idiots are the bestest evah! :D |
| 04:17.03 | Shirik | bleeter, .... wow |
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| 04:19.23 | Shirik | faction transfer is an interesting concept |
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| 04:19.36 | Shirik | it defeats the purpose of me leveling a priest on another server |
| 04:20.07 | bleeter | Shirik: I was thinking of that, then realised how much I do want a gnome priest. so figured I'd keep levelling my 2nd priest ;) |
| 04:20.25 | Shirik | gnome priest sounds absolutely disgusting |
| 04:20.31 | Corrodias | next comes class transfers |
| 04:21.29 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.57 | Thunder_Child | gnomes fail! |
| 04:24.41 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahaha |
| 04:24.42 | ScytheBlade1 | http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=126369 |
| 04:24.50 | ScytheBlade1 | topmost entry in the changelog |
| 04:26.31 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: nice |
| 04:27.53 | Yssaril | alright working with model frames causes headaches /sigh |
| 04:28.59 | bleeter | ima going tauren pally/priest dualbox in cataclysm |
| 04:29.01 | Yssaril | you would think that once you set a model your good to go but nooo it can misteriously vanish when you hide/show the frame again |
| 04:33.38 | bleeter | Corrodias: that thread is still giving |
| 04:33.42 | bleeter | Shirik: ^ |
| 04:33.54 | bleeter | gah just got locked |
| 04:33.56 | Shirik | I've been watching it :P |
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| 04:40.57 | Shirik | so hey, remember that quiz I said I was administering last thursday? |
| 04:41.05 | Shirik | and how only like 5 people read the material? |
| 04:41.24 | bleeter | no |
| 04:41.29 | Shirik | well you suck |
| 04:41.40 | Shirik | anyway, I curved it 20% and still the average was 60% :/ |
| 04:44.57 | Kraps | burning flame war on the use of dbm http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19717353966&sid=1 |
| 04:47.04 | Shirik | violet hold is impossible? |
| 04:47.17 | Shirik | Can we just make a new restriction that anyone who posts in general forums is automatically banned from a subset of servers |
| 04:47.24 | Shirik | so that we can have only the intelligent people on those servers? |
| 04:47.49 | Corrodias | it's okay to read/post on General as long as you understand that nothing there has any value |
| 04:47.52 | Corrodias | being stupid can be fun |
| 04:48.03 | Kraps | Shirik: pretty sure that guy was sarcastic |
| 04:49.39 | ScytheBlade1 | I post on general :( |
| 04:52.40 | Kraps | oh a re-hire Tseric thread |
| 04:53.03 | Kraps | OP was reported but its 7 pages now |
| 04:54.49 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: You also play a gnome |
| 04:54.52 | Shirik | case in point |
| 04:57.11 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/tabs.html any feedback? (on design only, I know about the bugs) |
| 05:00.22 | Shirik | too bland |
| 05:00.30 | Adys | what do you mean? |
| 05:00.47 | Shirik | it's just all gray |
| 05:01.34 | Adys | like where? |
| 05:01.44 | Shirik | the page you linked |
| 05:01.56 | Adys | what do you suggest then :P |
| 05:02.11 | Shirik | I dunno |
| 05:02.15 | Shirik | just add some color somehow |
| 05:02.15 | Adys | when you go grayscale its a bit hard to do anything else but grey/white/yellow tones |
| 05:02.24 | Shirik | why grayscale |
| 05:02.43 | Adys | its the only theme that doesn't look terribad with the wow tooltips |
| 05:04.03 | Adys | anyway i meant on the tabs |
| 05:05.29 | Corrodias | green goes well with grey, too. most bright colors do, when the grey is that dark. |
| 05:05.41 | Adys | hmm |
| 05:05.51 | Shirik | any desaturated color should be ok |
| 05:05.52 | Shirik | imo |
| 05:05.55 | Shirik | I was thinking more blue |
| 05:06.01 | Shirik | you know, frost and all |
| 05:06.04 | Adys | green is an idea |
| 05:06.09 | Adys | blue is... ergh I dunno |
| 05:06.17 | Yssaril | Adys: change the wow tooltips to match your theme :P |
| 05:06.20 | Shirik | BLUE IS GOOD OK |
| 05:06.20 | Corrodias | purple yes, blue maybe not. certain shades of blue. |
| 05:06.23 | Adys | Yssaril: No |
| 05:06.28 | Shirik | My eyes are blue |
| 05:06.31 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:06.35 | Adys | YOUR EYES ARE TERRIBAD OK |
| 05:06.39 | Shirik | no fu |
| 05:06.44 | Shirik | your site can't go with my eyes |
| 05:07.08 | Shirik | Cairenn, Adys is being mean to me |
| 05:07.20 | Cairenn | okay |
| 05:07.34 | Adys | Cairenn: Shirik has terrible eyes |
| 05:08.17 | Cairenn | okay |
| 05:08.44 | Adys | http://www.google.gr/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=foo&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= |
| 05:08.49 | Adys | white/blue |
| 05:08.56 | Adys | some green |
| 05:09.13 | Adys | I'm grey/black, some yellow |
| 05:09.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Me: "Pick a number, 1 or 2" Friend: "2" M: "Darn, muscle relaxants it is." F: "..." M: "(2 was lortab)" F: "I'm not sure this is the best way to make medical decisions." |
| 05:10.25 | kd3 | indeed |
| 05:13.10 | Adys | I really dont see it |
| 05:18.47 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, sounds like xkcd |
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| 05:30.52 | Shirik | I hate mosquitos |
| 05:30.53 | Shirik | so much |
| 05:30.56 | Shirik | why do they have to exist |
| 05:31.03 | Shirik | and why can't we make something that will kill them all off |
| 05:31.55 | Thunder_Child | genetics is not that far along |
| 05:32.05 | Arrowmaster | because then all the bats would die off |
| 05:32.06 | Thunder_Child | at least not weponised genetics |
| 05:33.52 | Shirik | well then |
| 05:33.54 | Shirik | can't we just like |
| 05:34.00 | Shirik | all leave earth, nuke it, then come back |
| 05:34.03 | Shirik | no more mosquitos |
| 05:35.04 | Gnarfoz | why? just kill all mosquitos, who cares about bats anyway? |
| 05:35.57 | Shirik | !reload |
| 05:35.57 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 05:35.59 | Shirik | !ping |
| 05:36.00 | batbot | Shirik: pong! |
| 05:36.06 | Arrowmaster | its called an ecosystem |
| 05:36.21 | Shirik | just do a noah's ark thing |
| 05:36.25 | Shirik | no big deal |
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| 05:46.15 | Shirik | LAST NINE DAYTSW |
| 05:48.19 | Thunder_Child | calm down Shirik |
| 05:48.28 | Shirik | !!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:48.29 | Gnarfoz | 9 days of what? |
| 05:48.35 | Shirik | 70% OFF! |
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| 05:48.38 | Gnarfoz | 111shiftoneeleven |
| 05:48.41 | bleeter | gg blizz store http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19717354085&sid=1 FAIL HARDER |
| 05:49.09 | bleeter | why the hell would it need to know CC details to tell shpiing costs? |
| 05:49.15 | bleeter | shipping |
| 05:49.48 | Shirik | Why would they let you ship an authenticator to Argentina? |
| 05:50.37 | Gnarfoz | to... secure your account, same reason as anywhere else? |
| 05:51.29 | Gnarfoz | meh, what's the best thing to do if you suspect someone of afk-botting? :\ |
| 05:51.41 | bleeter | report in a ticket |
| 05:51.44 | bleeter | or email wowgm@ |
| 05:52.00 | bleeter | (from your account's registered address) |
| 05:52.07 | Gnarfoz | thanks |
| 05:52.24 | bleeter | on the subject of which, US realms were being serviced by GM's with 'WoW Europe' sigblocks the other day |
| 05:52.28 | Shirik | Gnarfoz, except EAR is not too happy about that |
| 05:52.38 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: WHAT? YOUR EARS? |
| 05:52.42 | bleeter | Shirik: http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&tag=SHIPPINGCOUNTRY |
| 05:52.46 | Gnarfoz | bleeter: curious :D |
| 05:53.14 | bleeter | I'd cite the thread about the WoW Europe sigblocks.. but it was a couple days ago, just remembered it now |
| 05:54.16 | Gnarfoz | meh, since the guy has "Friend of <xyz>" in his guild note, I'll wait until xyz shows up and ask him to make the guy talk to me, maybe he's just ignoring me :p |
| 05:54.42 | bleeter | yeah could be they don't wanna talk to anyone else in the guild |
| 05:54.55 | bleeter | or could be a kid been told not to talk to anyone, just fish/mine/herb etc. |
| 05:55.05 | Shirik | batrick: ping |
| 05:55.59 | bleeter | Shirik: more precisely, http://www.blizzard.com/store/details.xml?id=1100000623 |
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| 05:56.05 | bleeter | This listing can only be used to ship the Blizzard Authenticator to the following destinations: Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Colombia, Ecuador, Mexico, New Zealand, Paraguay, Peru, Singapore, or Uruguay. |
| 05:56.28 | Gnarfoz | bleeter: I highly doubt it's a kid, it's nearing 8am here and that guy's been in WSG since I dunno, midnight at least? :D |
| 05:56.58 | bleeter | Gnarfoz: could be oceanic? account sharing? /shrug hehe |
| 05:57.01 | Gnarfoz | anyway, can still report after I check out |
| 05:57.06 | bleeter | only 4pm today |
| 05:57.06 | Gnarfoz | bleeter: nah, EU |
| 05:57.18 | Gnarfoz | well you're still right of course |
| 05:57.19 | bleeter | I mean, it's 4pm here in Oceania. |
| 05:57.23 | Gnarfoz | could be playing from somewhere else |
| 05:57.40 | bleeter | so while not afk-botting, could still be ... dubious |
| 05:57.42 | airtonix | sunday too |
| 05:58.03 | airtonix | at least i think it is |
| 05:58.06 | Gnarfoz | not that I know what to think of someone EU guy who's somewhere in Oceania right now and has nothing better to do than grind WSG :p |
| 05:58.26 | airtonix | i'm afk botting this channel right now.... |
| 05:58.33 | bleeter | REPORTED |
| 05:59.42 | Shirik | Somebody save me |
| 06:00.02 | Shirik | one of my students wrote a "r=iv" down for ohm's law |
| 06:00.33 | bleeter | Shirik: u r crappy teecha |
| 06:00.34 | bleeter | :P |
| 06:00.41 | Shirik | this is stuff from last year! |
| 06:00.45 | Shirik | I didn't even ASK a question about it |
| 06:00.51 | Shirik | that was their answer for a completely unrelated question |
| 06:01.03 | bleeter | see above! :P |
| 06:03.18 | Gnarfoz | Shirik: comment: lolwut |
| 06:05.16 | Ackis | I hate pattern matching |
| 06:06.43 | Shirik | Anyone have a good way to convert a word document to txt automatically? |
| 06:06.46 | Shirik | Preferably in scriptish form |
| 06:07.52 | Ackis | there's sace as .txt iirc, not sure if you can script that |
| 06:08.04 | airtonix | you can |
| 06:08.20 | Shirik | sace? |
| 06:08.26 | airtonix | but you need to use wsh |
| 06:08.39 | Shirik | wsh? |
| 06:08.41 | Ackis | *save |
| 06:08.42 | Ackis | sorry |
| 06:08.46 | airtonix | windows scripting host |
| 06:09.03 | Shirik | wtf is that |
| 06:09.12 | airtonix | precursor to wmi |
| 06:09.28 | Dagmar | Fancy word for "batch script with extra shiny" |
| 06:10.06 | airtonix | http://www.computerperformance.co.uk/Logon/WSH_FSO.htm |
| 06:10.13 | Dagmar | Shirik: OpenOffice *might* have a way to do it |
| 06:10.14 | airtonix | http://www.aspfree.com/c/a/Windows-Scripting/Reading-and-Printing-Word-Documents-in-WSH/ |
| 06:10.58 | Dagmar | Your odds get higher of finding something if you go for HTML output |
| 06:11.05 | Shirik | interesting, thanks airtonix |
| 06:11.11 | Shirik | HTML is unacceptable |
| 06:11.16 | Shirik | though I could just strip out tags |
| 06:11.22 | Shirik | I want just the content |
| 06:12.04 | bleeter | what's that lua shell thing for windows, grunt or something? write your own convertor in lua :P |
| 06:12.05 | Dagmar | I found http://comp.eonworks.com/scripts/word2txt which requires catdoc |
| 06:12.48 | Dagmar | Shirik: Well, the main reason I found the last time I went digging seems to be that for some reason folks get nervous about stripping out *all* the tags because HTML can retain so much of the formatting |
| 06:13.34 | Dagmar | There's also http://www.oooninja.com/2008/02/batch-command-line-file-conversion-with.html which looks like it's maybe two clicks away from everything needed |
| 06:14.29 | Dagmar | There might be a sizable startup time involved with calling OOo from the command line, but it would likely do the cleanest conversions |
| 06:14.49 | airtonix | if you're restricted to linux that is |
| 06:15.03 | Dagmar | You're not restricted to Linux with OOo or Python, actually. |
| 06:15.18 | airtonix | in the scenario of converting word to txt... |
| 06:15.30 | Dagmar | ...and considering the motivation Linux and open-source coders have to get away from MS Word you'll be likely to find a _bunch_ of free ways to do it from that crowd. |
| 06:15.43 | Dagmar | That's one of the reasons OOo came to mind first off |
| 06:16.08 | Dagmar | I've opened just about everything but the occasional ill-advised macro-bearing documents at work with it |
| 06:16.51 | Dagmar | That page also tells how to do it in Windows, using OOo |
| 06:17.30 | airtonix | so you needt o download and install python too? |
| 06:17.41 | Shirik | it actually fires up openoffice? |
| 06:17.49 | Dagmar | Not particularly hard since it's maintained by a company IIRC |
| 06:17.51 | Shirik | I don't think that would be acceptable |
| 06:17.58 | Shirik | considering I have a ton of documents to do that to |
| 06:18.04 | Shirik | that seems like an extreme amount of overhead |
| 06:18.07 | Dagmar | I use ActiveState's Perl rather often |
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| 06:19.02 | Dagmar | Looks like catdoc is available as a DOS executeable http://vitus.wagner.pp.ru/software/catdoc/ |
| 06:19.40 | Dagmar | If they're relatively simple word docs that it can read, that would probably be the fastest. Just don't expect long filenames to work |
| 06:19.55 | Dagmar | ...or just slap in cygwin |
| 06:20.00 | airtonix | lol |
| 06:20.13 | Dagmar | Ah wait that only goes as far aws word-97 apparently |
| 06:20.40 | Shirik | actually linux would be even better |
| 06:20.44 | Shirik | I could completely automate the process |
| 06:21.52 | airtonix | with cron? |
| 06:22.04 | Shirik | not exactly |
| 06:22.04 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 06:22.13 | Shirik | but perhaps |
| 06:22.33 | Shirik | I wonder if diff has an inverted mode |
| 06:22.54 | airtonix | does googledocs have an way to push a word doc and recieve a file format you want? |
| 06:22.59 | Dagmar | OOo is pretty easy to install. It might take five minutes to figure out if the CLI starts in milliseconds or many seconds |
| 06:23.34 | Shirik | except that installing OO on a server does not sound like a good idea |
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| 06:24.49 | Dagmar | Ah scratch that then |
| 06:24.57 | Shirik | :/ |
| 06:25.05 | airtonix | abiword? |
| 06:25.08 | Shirik | diff doesn't have any kind of way to show only similarities |
| 06:25.36 | Dagmar | Umm |
| 06:27.15 | Dagmar | Drat I used to know how to do that |
| 06:28.23 | Shirik | LAST 9 DAYS |
| 06:28.30 | Shirik | UP TO 70% OFF |
| 06:28.47 | Dagmar | `comm` |
| 06:28.55 | Dagmar | Took a minute to remember |
| 06:29.08 | Dagmar | comm -1 -2 somefile someotherfile i think |
| 06:31.06 | Dagmar | In the 90's I wrote a quick perl script to do it, just ot have an hp-head show me that |
| 06:32.25 | airtonix | ~$ abiword --to=txt ~/Downloads/project-completion-report-form-2009.doc |
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| 06:33.25 | Shirik | yes that looks promising |
| 06:35.10 | airtonix | input file : http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/180039/project-completion-report-form-2009.doc |
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| 06:35.21 | airtonix | output file : http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/180039/project-completion-report-form-2009.txt |
| 06:38.12 | Shirik | good enough |
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| 06:41.17 | Shirik | has CPAN always been horrible? |
| 06:41.52 | Dagmar | You're actually having a *problem* with CPAN? |
| 06:42.22 | Shirik | yes |
| 06:42.36 | Shirik | I think it told me to upgrade with "install Bundle::CPAN" |
| 06:42.43 | Dagmar | Oh yeah that's normal |
| 06:42.47 | Shirik | and then it was all "lol circular dependency kthxbye" |
| 06:42.51 | Dagmar | That also updates it's mirrors list |
| 06:43.17 | Dagmar | If it bombs with a circular issue there, you should report it to the distro maintainer |
| 06:43.34 | Dagmar | Too many perl coders use CPAN for that to stay broken on anything for any length of time |
| 06:44.33 | Shirik | I am amused that the very first time I try to use such a supposedly-awesome tool failed miserably |
| 06:45.15 | Dagmar | Well you'll pardon if I suspect there was something external to that that broke it |
| 06:45.22 | Dagmar | I've never had it do that in 10 years |
| 06:45.40 | Shirik | I might have figured it out |
| 06:45.51 | Shirik | and if that's the reason, I'm sorry but that's pretty bad :P |
| 06:46.04 | Dagmar | I just plain blew my mind that you could invoke it from within a perl program at one point |
| 06:46.32 | Dagmar | Like, 'include CPAN` or `use CPAN` and if you didn't have what it called for, CPAN would just grab them and store them locally to run |
| 06:46.54 | Dagmar | ...just right at the top of any other includes in the code. |
| 06:48.01 | Shirik | nope, still failing |
| 06:48.05 | Shirik | so I dunno |
| 06:48.19 | Shirik | there's no magic I have to do? |
| 06:48.22 | Shirik | just install Bundle::CPAN? |
| 06:48.37 | Dagmar | You let it install libnet? |
| 06:48.54 | Shirik | I configured it with "follow" for dependencies |
| 06:49.27 | Dagmar | You have an oldish version of perl? |
| 06:50.13 | Dagmar | Data::Dumper went from being a CPAN module to being a built-in |
| 06:50.28 | Dagmar | So like, versions from before that happened can break |
| 06:50.30 | Shirik | [ebuild R ] dev-lang/perl-5.8.8-r5 USE="gdbm -berkdb -build -debug -doc -ithreads -perlsuid" 0 kB |
| 06:50.42 | Dagmar | Yep. Your perl was just old enough |
| 06:50.48 | Dagmar | It's decided you needed a new version of perl |
| 06:50.49 | Shirik | that's the current version |
| 06:50.56 | Shirik | at least from gentoo's perspective |
| 06:51.09 | Dagmar | Well, that's recent enough |
| 06:51.16 | Shirik | well that's what I have installed |
| 06:51.44 | Dagmar | You can probably unbreak it with http://search.cpan.org/~andk/CPAN-1.9402/ |
| 06:52.14 | Shirik | that says I need 5.5? |
| 06:52.20 | Dagmar | I've seen it *fail* to upgrade before ebcause of other things, but I've never seen it get into a dependency loop |
| 06:52.20 | Shirik | or do I not understand |
| 06:52.48 | Shirik | li23-154 mpdelbuono # cpan |
| 06:52.48 | Shirik | Sorry, we have to rerun the configuration dialog for CPAN.pm due to |
| 06:52.48 | Shirik | some missing parameters... |
| 06:52.49 | Shirik | wtf... |
| 06:52.55 | Shirik | what did you do to me cpan |
| 06:53.07 | Dagmar | What says you need 5.5? |
| 06:53.15 | Shirik | I dunno I just saw 5.5 on the right |
| 06:53.22 | Dagmar | Oh... oldest version |
| 06:53.44 | Dagmar | er version of the file |
| 06:54.20 | Dagmar | bleh piece of the module. Basically, it's not a list of required versions |
| 06:55.35 | Dagmar | They are somewhat finicky |
| 06:55.36 | Dagmar | http://matrix.cpantesters.org/?dist=CPAN+1.9402 |
| 06:56.25 | Dagmar | See also http://www.cpantesters.org/distro/C/CPAN.html#CPAN-1.9402 |
| 06:57.28 | batrick | TA'ing math sucks |
| 06:57.32 | batrick | rly bad |
| 06:57.39 | batrick | i'd rather be doing a circuits class |
| 06:57.41 | batrick | or |
| 06:57.45 | Dagmar | Shirik: http://sial.org/howto/perl/life-with-cpan/ |
| 06:57.49 | batrick | even, *gasp* C++ |
| 06:57.52 | Dagmar | That guy agrees about most of this |
| 06:58.37 | Dagmar | Short form, install CPAN from the tarball by perl makefile.pl etc etc, then you can go back into the shell and the Bundle::CPAN should build properly |
| 06:59.10 | Shirik | batrick |
| 06:59.16 | Shirik | I will trade with you |
| 07:02.08 | Shirik | batrick |
| 07:02.13 | Shirik | 1. How would you read the value of a resistor |
| 07:02.31 | Shirik | A. Use a multimeter |
| 07:03.47 | airtonix | lawl |
| 07:04.00 | Dagmar | Well, he's not _wrong_ |
| 07:04.26 | Dagmar | I never leave to chance I might misremember something if I'm not taking them out of a package |
| 07:04.37 | Dagmar | ...and if the DMM is _right there_... |
| 07:14.35 | yaxxbax | anyone wanna make some software with me? I have a great idea for some video recording and blogging software involving WoW. I know c# and php as well as several social networking APIs. just need someone to code the addon part (which i believe is simple) |
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| 07:28.31 | Shirik | yaxxbax, how do you intend for the addon to work with your software |
| 07:29.44 | yaxxbax | it just needs to output some data from whats happening in the game to a flat text file |
| 07:32.16 | yaxxbax | specifically, when certain types of events start and stop.. like if you enter combat with a boss and then down it |
| 07:32.53 | Shirik | while the game is running? |
| 07:33.01 | yaxxbax | yeah |
| 07:33.05 | Corrodias | aw |
| 07:33.07 | Shirik | not possible |
| 07:33.12 | Corrodias | yeah :( |
| 07:33.19 | Thunder_Child | possible but against the rules |
| 07:33.29 | Shirik | as an addon, not possible |
| 07:33.37 | Shirik | which is what he said |
| 07:33.45 | yaxxbax | not possible for a mod to detect when you start fighting something and put that info in a file? |
| 07:33.58 | Thunder_Child | yes, but not in realtime |
| 07:33.59 | Shirik | not possible to write data to a file |
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| 07:34.02 | Corrodias | indeed; WoW's implementation of Lua does not include file i/o |
| 07:34.09 | Shirik | only when you log out |
| 07:34.22 | Thunder_Child | doesnt it work on reaload? |
| 07:34.28 | Corrodias | yes |
| 07:34.29 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:34.40 | Shirik | a logout event fires when you reload; I consider it the same thing |
| 07:34.55 | yaxxbax | hmm. maybe there is some other way to commicate with an outside app other than i/o then? |
| 07:35.01 | yaxxbax | communicate* |
| 07:35.07 | Shirik | no |
| 07:35.11 | Shirik | this is intentionally impossible |
| 07:35.20 | Shirik | even the strangest way to do it is impossible |
| 07:35.22 | Thunder_Child | you could do it with an overlay but it would be very hard and shady |
| 07:35.35 | Shirik | for example, people used to change the system time to communicate |
| 07:35.44 | Shirik | that is now impossible |
| 07:36.25 | Corrodias | yeah. if you find a way, they'll make it impossible and/or ban anyone using the application. |
| 07:36.33 | yaxxbax | damn. then maybe i can analyze the network packets |
| 07:36.34 | Corrodias | depending on the methods used. |
| 07:37.24 | yaxxbax | wonders what the packets look like when you begin a boss fight |
| 07:37.27 | Corrodias | if you do the latter, it's banning if they ever find out about it. though i could maybe think of ways to do it without being so obvious. |
| 07:38.46 | yaxxbax | idea! |
| 07:38.54 | yaxxbax | mods can make sounds right? |
| 07:38.57 | Corrodias | shoot. we can tell you if it'd be allowed. |
| 07:39.01 | Shirik | yaxxbax, you are now beginning to enter the realm of illegal activity |
| 07:39.25 | Corrodias | although the answer is basically that it's illegal, no matter what you come up with. |
| 07:39.28 | Shirik | you are not allowed to communicate with the client during gameplay |
| 07:39.31 | Shirik | period |
| 07:39.57 | Corrodias | i believe you're allowed to record video by reading the window, as with fraps |
| 07:39.58 | yaxxbax | i bet my program could monitor the sound card and know to trigger when it detects a frequency being played |
| 07:40.46 | Shirik | I bet you are going to stop discussing this in here |
| 07:41.07 | yaxxbax | corrodias, thats what my software is for, triggering fraps to begin and end recording when you start and stop a fight |
| 07:41.18 | Corrodias | wanting to trigger a recording is benign enough, but if the same method can be used to do -other- things, it's not going to be allowed anyway. |
| 07:41.25 | Thunder_Child | actually Corrodias, i'm not sure that is allowed, simply not...enforced |
| 07:41.38 | Shirik | what Thunder_Child said |
| 07:41.39 | yaxxbax | so it can automatically be uploaded to youtube and shared on social networking sites like |
| 07:42.03 | Corrodias | you may be right. i wouldn't advise people against making recordings, in any case. |
| 07:42.05 | yaxxbax | facebook feed posts "i just downed so and so and heres the video" |
| 07:42.25 | Corrodias | my recommendation to anyone wanting to do such a thing, yaxxbax, is to push the recording key themselves |
| 07:42.36 | Thunder_Child | i dunno yaxxbax, seems like a lot of work simply to press a button |
| 07:42.58 | yaxxbax | corrodias, yeah but its for social networking.. not so much just to get the recording. |
| 07:43.00 | Corrodias | you may forget to push it, but i find that unlikely if you're recording -every- fight |
| 07:43.20 | Corrodias | automatically uploading to those sites? interesting idea. |
| 07:43.56 | yaxxbax | yeah i already saw someone using something that posts on their blog and facebook when they finish achievements |
| 07:43.59 | Shirik | I don't see the correlation between the two |
| 07:44.05 | yaxxbax | so i wanted to take it to the next level |
| 07:44.09 | Shirik | monitor the folder for a new file and post it |
| 07:44.10 | Arrowmaster | not only push the recording key themselves, but FUCKING PUT SOME GOD DAMN TIME AND EFFORT INTO EDITING THE FUCKING VIDEO FIRST! |
| 07:44.36 | Thunder_Child | hey Arrowmaster, you dont need to watch it |
| 07:44.38 | yaxxbax | shirik, yeah but it needs to know what the video is about |
| 07:44.43 | Arrowmaster | no i dont |
| 07:44.44 | industrial | Bill O'Reilly is an idiot and I don't like him anymore because he's stupid, NUH! |
| 07:44.58 | Shirik | yaxxbax, I don't understand the necessity for this to be a realtime operation |
| 07:45.08 | industrial | that whole weed report thing about the netherlands? faaiillll |
| 07:45.36 | Shirik | And I'm quite concerned about your desire to go about it illegally instead of simply conceding to a delayed reaction |
| 07:45.42 | Arrowmaster | but i feel a need to give my input so i can help preserve the tiny little corner of the internet that hasnt been tainted by lazy retarded twats |
| 07:45.57 | Arrowmaster | before they overrun it too |
| 07:46.26 | yaxxbax | shirik, because it would be lame delayed |
| 07:46.40 | Shirik | it would also not be bannable |
| 07:47.11 | industrial | because we all know http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/node/67 |
| 07:47.40 | Arrowmaster | you know what they say, GIGO and thats the future |
| 07:48.48 | Shirik | that is a biased comparison industrial |
| 07:48.55 | Shirik | it stands up to no statistical tests |
| 07:50.47 | Shirik | ..... |
| 07:50.52 | Shirik | why the HELL would you name a phone "myTouch" |
| 07:51.14 | Shirik | because that totally isn't going to be confused with "iTouch" or the phrase "my touch [short for iTouch]" |
| 07:51.27 | Jerub | yaxxbax: imho, that's a sweet idea. |
| 07:52.03 | Jerub | but not youtube. i can't imagine they'd be too happy with mostly write-only videos with small views being uploaded 5-6 times a day. |
| 07:52.19 | yaxxbax | jerub, thx. just need to make it happen. i think i can pull it off with beeps |
| 07:52.25 | yaxxbax | jerub, they dont care |
| 07:52.48 | Arrowmaster | ill be happy to inform blizzard about it then to help do my part to prevent litter |
| 07:53.34 | yaxxbax | lol blizzard isnt going to care about a mod that records you playing jeez |
| 07:53.53 | Arrowmaster | they will if you do anything to break their sandbox |
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| 07:57.31 | Shirik | man |
| 07:57.39 | Shirik | I really need to get the gits: stand alone complex soundtrack |
| 07:57.51 | industrial | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49Oan0K7Pso&fmt=18 |
| 07:57.57 | industrial | awzumm |
| 07:58.09 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: get a copy for me too |
| 07:59.19 | Shirik | LAST 9 DAYS |
| 07:59.22 | Shirik | UP TO 70% OFF |
| 07:59.43 | Arrowmaster | actually i probably know where i can download a lossless copy of it |
| 07:59.46 | airtonix | reported shirik for gold spam |
| 07:59.58 | Shirik | Why couldn't this lady have died instead of billy mayes |
| 08:00.38 | Corrodias | they should make a video actuall called Gits: Stand Alone Complex. and it's about stupid people in a building where everybody has to stand by themselves |
| 08:00.45 | Shirik | ... |
| 08:02.27 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: oh yeah there are actually 4 soundtracks, i used to have them on mp3 somewhere |
| 08:02.53 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI-vhtKxYBI <-- awesome song |
| 08:03.50 | Corrodias | perhaps, but i dare not listen to it now. i have no emotional attachment to it. i may watch that stuff some day, and i want to save the music until then. |
| 08:04.04 | Shirik | psh |
| 08:04.09 | Shirik | I'm not sure the show is any good |
| 08:04.16 | Arrowmaster | .... |
| 08:04.19 | Shirik | I have found no particular attraction to ghost in the shell |
| 08:04.19 | Arrowmaster | you are dead to me |
| 08:04.50 | Corrodias | i believe i saw half an episode once while searching for -something- on TV to interest me. it was the most godawfully boring thing i had ever seen. hopefully most of the series is not like that. |
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| 08:05.54 | Shirik | (04:04:18) (@Shirik) Arrowmaster, in all fairness, I haven't given it a good enough chance |
| 08:05.56 | Shirik | (04:04:21) (@Shirik) and I recognize it |
| 08:06.06 | Shirik | (04:04:28) (@Shirik) but it's also not really in my typical genre |
| 08:06.17 | Corrodias | in case you didn't see my line, "i believe i saw half an episode once while searching for -something- on TV to interest me. it was the most godawfully boring thing i had ever seen. hopefully most of the series is not like that." |
| 08:06.22 | Shirik | Arrowmaster, I didn't really mean to say it's a bad show |
| 08:06.28 | Shirik | I simply cannot confirm that it is a good show |
| 08:06.35 | Shirik | I happen to know the soundtrack is awesome, and that is all |
| 08:07.13 | Shirik | Corrodias, I really think it's that it makes no sense to pick it up from the middle |
| 08:07.25 | Arrowmaster | youll need to watch it from the beginning to have a clue whats going on |
| 08:07.35 | Shirik | my understanding is that the plot is very involved, unlike most shows |
| 08:07.42 | Shirik | you can't just pick itu p |
| 08:07.46 | Corrodias | yeah, i don't expect to enjoy it from what i saw |
| 08:07.51 | Corrodias | i mean wait |
| 08:07.58 | Corrodias | let me think about how to phrase that |
| 08:08.11 | Arrowmaster | Corrodias: watch the movie |
| 08:08.13 | Shirik | for example, shows like yugioh have a plot that extends across episodes |
| 08:08.22 | Shirik | but you can still get into a single episode as each episode has a mini-plot |
| 08:08.37 | Corrodias | i agree, and i don't think that seeing half an episode from the middle is a good way to enjoy the series, nor a good way to tell whether i'm going to enjoy the rest of it. |
| 08:08.53 | Corrodias | that's what i meant. i have no opinion on the show itself. |
| 08:09.11 | Arrowmaster | watch the move |
| 08:09.14 | Shirik | I really want to finish the fate/stay night series before I continue with another show |
| 08:09.15 | Arrowmaster | movie |
| 08:09.26 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: PLAY THE GAME |
| 08:09.28 | Shirik | which I should have finished a year ago |
| 08:09.35 | Arrowmaster | PLAY THE FUCKING GAME! |
| 08:09.40 | Shirik | game? |
| 08:09.42 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 08:09.56 | Corrodias | fate/stay night is a h-game series |
| 08:10.01 | Corrodias | multiple paths, etc |
| 08:10.10 | Corrodias | be prepared for pixellated porn |
| 08:10.43 | Arrowmaster | 3 main paths, you have to play them in order too |
| 08:10.59 | Shirik | I really need to replay star ocean though |
| 08:11.35 | Arrowmaster | theres not that many H scenes, but nasu h scenes are written very weird |
| 08:12.06 | Corrodias | weird how? |
| 08:12.29 | Arrowmaster | the details i guess |
| 08:13.12 | Arrowmaster | you feel uncomfortable just reading them |
| 08:13.25 | Corrodias | now i'm curious. |
| 08:13.59 | Shirik | I need some new shows to watch |
| 08:14.05 | Shirik | I guess I could check out stand alone complex |
| 08:14.12 | Shirik | oh but I need to finish burst angel too |
| 08:14.19 | Corrodias | probably, yeah. have you done code geass? |
| 08:14.58 | Corrodias | it turns out i don't enjoy anime as much as i'd like, so i have little motivation to see a lot of it. most has too much filler, nonsensical japanese plot, and/or uncomfortable, pointless fanservice |
| 08:15.18 | Arrowmaster | dont watch any of the new shows then |
| 08:15.23 | Arrowmaster | stick with old stuff |
| 08:15.40 | Corrodias | code geass managed to do pretty well, though it still got a little bit of each |
| 08:15.59 | Corrodias | especially around season 2. >:| but it was enjoyable enough |
| 08:16.04 | Shirik | btw, I hate rap, but Japanese people do it so well |
| 08:16.06 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbgJ5AZz0kQ |
| 08:16.13 | Shirik | why can't our rap songs be like that |
| 08:16.40 | Arrowmaster | the only thing that fucking kept me watching code geass was the writers ability to fucking cliffhander EVERYTHING |
| 08:16.44 | Arrowmaster | cliffhanger |
| 08:17.01 | Thunder_Child | because we rap in english? |
| 08:17.04 | Shirik | ... |
| 08:17.07 | Shirik | so what |
| 08:17.16 | Corrodias | the language's rhythm doesn't work the same |
| 08:17.30 | Thunder_Child | besides, thats not rap |
| 08:17.34 | Shirik | I think it's more like our rappers' brains don't work the same |
| 08:17.37 | Shirik | what would you call it? |
| 08:17.39 | Corrodias | leaves Arrowmaster wondering how he's going to finish this sentence, because the last word is... |
| 08:17.51 | Shirik | that's the closest genre I can think of |
| 08:18.09 | Thunder_Child | i dont know what you would call it but it does not follow rap's framework |
| 08:18.43 | Shirik | In that it doesn't talk about gangs, hos, and drugs? |
| 08:19.00 | Thunder_Child | actually i get more of a techno feel to the lyrics |
| 08:19.06 | Corrodias | it doesn't have a repetetive, terrible "tune" |
| 08:19.08 | Thunder_Child | if not the music |
| 08:19.33 | Shirik | Corrodias: If you are referring to the chorus, then there are quite a few rap songs in English like that as well |
| 08:19.54 | Corrodias | no i mean, rap usually just has a repeating bassline as the only music |
| 08:19.54 | Thunder_Child | i think he was refering to rap Shirik |
| 08:19.56 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: I will agree it's "different" |
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| 08:20.35 | Shirik | but rap is the closest genre I can think of really |
| 08:20.39 | Corrodias | i think the biggest difference is that i -like- this song and i hate rap |
| 08:21.00 | Thunder_Child | i dont |
| 08:21.14 | Thunder_Child | not a big fan of semi-spoken word |
| 08:22.00 | Shirik | I actually hated this song when I first heard it |
| 08:22.01 | Shirik | I like it now |
| 08:25.12 | Shirik | However, I always liked http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TY3hYiSvts&feature=related more |
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| 08:27.01 | zenzelezz | sighs |
| 08:27.38 | zenzelezz | why is it so difficult for someone to understand that when I say "upload your formname.vb file to dropbox", I don't mean "copy the code from your formname.vb file into a Word document and upload it to dropbox" |
| 08:28.00 | Shirik | o.o |
| 08:28.43 | Shirik | Error |
| 08:28.43 | Shirik | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:28.46 | Shirik | :< |
| 08:30.27 | Sesshu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5FN3hj5t7k |
| 08:30.29 | Sesshu | rap! |
| 08:30.30 | Sesshu | xD |
| 08:31.48 | Corrodias | hahah |
| 08:32.40 | Shirik | Sesshu |
| 08:32.44 | Shirik | you deserve to be banned for that |
| 08:32.52 | Sesshu | huh? |
| 08:33.12 | Shirik | that was horrible |
| 08:33.25 | Corrodias | no way |
| 08:33.34 | Sesshu | that is nigahiga |
| 08:34.49 | Sesshu | most popular youtube video uploader |
| 08:35.22 | Sesshu | yes thats true |
| 08:35.35 | Shirik | You seem to believe http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MRWluVZaww qualifies as rap too |
| 08:36.48 | Sesshu | rofl |
| 08:36.53 | Sesshu | but threre is a command |
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| 08:37.19 | Sesshu | mirokyu (vor 1 Monat) |
| 08:37.19 | Sesshu | Best. Rap.? EVER. |
| 08:37.46 | Corrodias | i retaliate with japanese video game opera. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4FYD7E9YWc & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-QUFfyEHZY & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9-tPj0JVhY |
| 08:38.34 | Shirik | ............. wow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4RRi_ntQc8&feature=related |
| 08:38.38 | Shirik | I'm impressed |
| 08:39.00 | Shirik | Obama is dramatically changing what it means to be the president of the US |
| 08:39.27 | Shirik | p.s. random comment |
| 08:39.31 | Shirik | focus magic works on rogue poisons |
| 08:40.28 | Corrodias | that's a 23-minute orchestrated version of the opera sequence from Final Fantasy 6 |
| 08:40.44 | Corrodias | so yeah, only slightly related to actual opera |
| 08:46.16 | Wobin | gah |
| 08:46.23 | Wobin | I cannot get Baggins to show unsoulbound items properly |
| 08:47.14 | Shirik | Does anyone understand this whole TF2 Halo Hat thing? |
| 08:47.29 | airtonix | it's an expression of faggotry |
| 08:49.12 | Shirik | gyg? |
| 08:49.15 | Shirik | huh? |
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| 09:08.32 | Zergreth | *waves* |
| 09:10.02 | Zergreth | got a problem. i got a bit of code which changes the color of the target name in the default target frame, depending on class. for some reason though, when the color changes, it stays there as the default color of the text, also being returned by TargetName:GetTextColor() |
| 09:10.23 | Zergreth | im just doing something like TargetName:SetText("|cff" .. col .. text); though |
| 09:10.27 | Zergreth | why the heck is it doing that D: |
| 09:10.55 | Corrodias | finds a new use for this cleaning spray |
| 09:11.23 | Corrodias | i have a carpet cleaning spray for pet stains and such. it says it's non-caustic. :D |
| 09:11.47 | Corrodias | fortunately, that apparently doesn't keep it from being awesome when you get it on a cricket. |
| 09:13.15 | Corrodias | i found a cricket and sprayed it with that stuff, the only thing i could think of that might affect insects. it went nuts, crawled a bit, and stopped moving. sweet. |
| 09:20.02 | Adys | Zergreth: What do you mean "it stays there" ? |
| 09:21.25 | industrial | How do I compare two one-handed weapons to one twohanded on wowhead? |
| 09:21.36 | industrial | and can I add gems and chants? |
| 09:21.51 | Zergreth | adys, well, it acts like i used SetTextColor(), making the class color the default one of TargetName |
| 09:22.14 | Zergreth | so targets which are not players or dont have a class got the color of the last target with a class |
| 09:22.18 | Zergreth | if that makes sense |
| 09:23.26 | Adys | wild guess, one of SetTextColor or the whole inline-color is a hack that becomes the other |
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| 09:24.06 | Zergreth | well, it didnt act like this before 3.2.0 :/ |
| 09:24.33 | Adys | Eventual solution, watch for TARGET_CHANGED and change the color respectively |
| 09:25.02 | Zergreth | i guess i will just store the original color somewhere |
| 09:26.33 | Zergreth | hm |
| 09:26.56 | Zergreth | is it possible that 3.2.0 added this feature to the default interface? |
| 09:27.00 | Zergreth | because it seems to me it did.. |
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| 09:27.17 | Adys | disable addons and try it :p |
| 09:27.40 | Zergreth | it did indeed |
| 09:27.49 | Zergreth | or some other addon does that, which i doubt |
| 09:27.54 | Zergreth | i should read patch notes more often |
| 09:28.01 | Adys | I havent seen that in the patch notes |
| 09:28.08 | Adys | nor have i seen it in my interface |
| 09:28.14 | Adys | so really, disable every addon and test |
| 09:28.14 | Zergreth | hm |
| 09:28.17 | Zergreth | give me a second |
| 09:28.35 | Zergreth | god damn fucking alliance |
| 09:28.39 | Zergreth | damn pussies |
| 09:28.48 | Zergreth | 80 vs 62, gj, ffs |
| 09:29.14 | Adys | that was random, uncalled for, and quite stupid |
| 09:29.18 | cbreak | can you even enter the same BG? |
| 09:29.28 | Adys | I don't think anyone is outnumbering anything "on purpose" you know |
| 09:29.55 | Zergreth | i was sitting in ungoro |
| 09:30.09 | cbreak | with pvp on? |
| 09:30.15 | Zergreth | rp-pvp realm |
| 09:30.23 | Adys | you get what you ask for .... |
| 09:30.26 | cbreak | SQUELCH THE EVIL BEFORE IT GROWS! |
| 09:30.36 | Adys | rofl cbreak |
| 09:30.41 | Zergreth | whatever :D |
| 09:32.23 | Zergreth | ah |
| 09:32.25 | Zergreth | of course |
| 09:32.29 | Zergreth | class colors from phanx |
| 09:32.32 | Zergreth | why is it bugged though |
| 09:33.16 | Zergreth | weird |
| 09:36.48 | Zergreth | hm, thats a pretty poor implementation o.O |
| 09:38.06 | Zergreth | anybody else using class colors here? |
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| 09:58.48 | Adys | wow awesoem |
| 09:58.52 | Adys | s/em/me/ |
| 09:59.06 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KANI2dpXLw&feature=fvw is a featured vid (w: rickroll inside) |
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| 10:23.35 | jnwhiteh | Adys: pong |
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| 10:29.36 | sag_ich_nicht | hmm... thanks Cairenn (or whoever else I have to thank for that) |
| 10:29.47 | Cairenn | hmm? |
| 10:30.07 | sag_ich_nicht | well I'm apparently not on the banlist anymore. |
| 10:30.22 | Cairenn | ah, yeah, I lifted it a while back :) |
| 10:30.29 | sag_ich_nicht | thank you. |
| 10:30.34 | Cairenn | you're welcome |
| 10:31.20 | sag_ich_nicht | now can anyone tell me why people claim Ostrich is broken? CHAT_MSG_WHISPER didn't change, did it? D: |
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| 10:32.41 | Adys | jnwhiteh: er |
| 10:32.45 | Adys | forgot why i pinged you |
| 10:32.51 | jnwhiteh | see #wowprogramming |
| 10:32.53 | jnwhiteh | i think that was it |
| 10:32.54 | jnwhiteh | but I dunno |
| 10:32.55 | Adys | ah yea |
| 10:32.57 | Adys | maybe |
| 10:32.58 | Adys | dunno |
| 10:32.59 | Adys | anyway |
| 10:33.01 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/tabs.html |
| 10:33.19 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 10:34.48 | Adys | jnwhiteh: ah yeah i remember now |
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| 10:35.43 | Adys | sort of |
| 10:35.44 | Adys | lemme find it |
| 10:36.08 | Adys | jnwhiteh: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser/diff/AddOns/Blizzard_TokenUI/Blizzard_TokenUI.xml |
| 10:36.32 | Adys | when I click "Addons", I get redirected to the bottom of the tree |
| 10:36.40 | Adys | or "Blizzard_TokenUI" |
| 10:36.44 | Adys | and "Full Diff" is empty |
| 10:36.50 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 10:36.54 | jnwhiteh | just due to the framework |
| 10:37.01 | jnwhiteh | and the way those pages are written |
| 10:38.07 | jnwhiteh | It'd be too much work to fix it now, for somethign that's a quick fix solution |
| 10:38.16 | Adys | fair nuf |
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| 10:43.29 | mikma | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200374126620&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_500wt_924 |
| 10:44.19 | Cide | god morning |
| 10:44.22 | Cide | good too |
| 10:44.42 | Adys | mornings Cide |
| 10:44.46 | Adys | hey I was looking for you |
| 10:44.51 | Cide | everyone is |
| 10:45.18 | Adys | Im doing blp integration to PIL |
| 10:45.23 | Adys | wanna have sex with me? |
| 10:45.28 | Cide | fuck no |
| 10:45.34 | Cide | blp is a useless format |
| 10:45.52 | Cide | blizzard should have gone with png |
| 10:45.54 | Adys | who cares about it being useless |
| 10:46.01 | Adys | whole point is |
| 10:46.03 | Adys | integration |
| 10:46.21 | Cide | it's not a terrible idea |
| 10:46.29 | Cide | but I don't have time to help, sorry :( |
| 10:46.37 | Adys | I need to add dxtc support to PIL first |
| 10:46.38 | Cide | if that was what you were asking for |
| 10:46.41 | Adys | which Ill prolly send upstream |
| 10:46.45 | Adys | no I was just asking for sex |
| 10:46.51 | zenzelezz | sorry, PIL? |
| 10:46.53 | Cide | oh ok |
| 10:46.57 | Cide | Python Imaging Library |
| 10:46.59 | zenzelezz | ah |
| 10:47.28 | Adys | also there's this m2 importer for blender i still have |
| 10:51.26 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2008/08/post_43.php |
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| 11:01.14 | Cide | someone told me the game has an integrated event log now.. where at? |
| 11:01.31 | Cide | nevermind, found it |
| 11:01.36 | nevcairiel | it sucks, though. |
| 11:01.41 | nevcairiel | has no filters |
| 11:03.26 | jnwhiteh | its the same as /dtevents |
| 11:03.28 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 11:04.13 | Cide | without filters! |
| 11:05.07 | Cide | is there a good combat log reference online? just moved and my wow programming copy isn't here yet |
| 11:05.48 | jnwhiteh | the chapter i wrote is good |
| 11:05.53 | Cide | is it available online? |
| 11:05.56 | jnwhiteh | but wowwiki has the same informations |
| 11:05.59 | jnwhiteh | since the chapter isn't available :P |
| 11:06.16 | Cide | yeah :/ didn't think I'd need it for the 2 months I'd be without it |
| 11:06.27 | jnwhiteh | its only in the second edition |
| 11:06.29 | jnwhiteh | which isn't out. |
| 11:06.29 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 11:06.36 | Cide | ah |
| 11:06.37 | Cide | fail! |
| 11:06.38 | nevcairiel | Hm, the "old" book didnt contain stuff about the new combatlog anyway, did it? |
| 11:07.03 | nevcairiel | wowwiki then =P |
| 11:07.26 | Cide | yep |
| 11:08.02 | jnwhiteh | hrm, how do I unregister an AIM account from a jabber transport.. |
| 11:08.03 | jnwhiteh | >< |
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| 11:19.05 | Adys | jnwhiteh, Cide, http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/tabs.html |
| 11:19.06 | Adys | full refresh |
| 11:19.08 | Adys | what do you think? |
| 11:19.09 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=45280 |
| 11:19.27 | Cide | looks the same as last time you linked |
| 11:19.42 | Cide | looks good though |
| 11:20.03 | Adys | Cide: doesnt |
| 11:20.04 | Adys | full refresh |
| 11:20.10 | Cide | I did |
| 11:23.19 | mikma | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-statistics.xml?r=Vek%27nilash&cn=Karatechop&gn=The+Marvel+Family |
| 11:23.29 | mikma | see his statistics -> combat ;) |
| 11:24.10 | Slafsinator | nerf rogues |
| 11:28.16 | Adys | man |
| 11:28.19 | Adys | pizza with anchovies <3 |
| 11:31.12 | mikma | adys: http://www.gotfuturama.com/Multimedia/EpisodeSounds/1ACV06/25.mp3 |
| 11:31.27 | Adys | I know this ep by heart |
| 11:31.34 | Adys | dont even need to click:p |
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| 11:33.57 | mikma | heh |
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| 11:59.59 | Cruciformer | 'lo all |
| 12:00.05 | Adys | hiya |
| 12:00.19 | Cruciformer | jnwhiteh: ping? |
| 12:01.34 | Cruciformer | oh wow scrolling up it looks like he was talking about what I wanted to know :) Any idea when the 2nd edition is due? |
| 12:01.52 | Cruciformer | did he say? |
| 12:15.27 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/c/7236/test-anubisath/ |
| 12:15.49 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: pong |
| 12:16.00 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: It'll be out around Christmas, if the current production schedule sticks. |
| 12:16.19 | mikma | getting sticky with it |
| 12:16.22 | mikma | nananannananana |
| 12:16.25 | industrial | Adys: ehats with that site, anything special that wowhead doesnt have? |
| 12:16.29 | Cruciformer | ah cool. I find myself needing to understand secure frames better, has that chapter been significantly changed? |
| 12:16.44 | Adys | industrial: A dev as cool as I am? |
| 12:16.59 | industrial | .. :p |
| 12:17.13 | Cruciformer | jnwhiteh: and is it possible to purchase (or with proof of purchase) get a PDF version so I can text search? |
| 12:17.48 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: depends on what you mean by "secure" frames, since there was no one chapter for them |
| 12:17.56 | jnwhiteh | if you're talking the snippets system, yes those ar ecovered quit well |
| 12:18.05 | Cruciformer | chapter 17 I believe |
| 12:18.14 | jnwhiteh | and as for a PDF version, that really is up to my publisher.. but I do not believe the plan is to make the book available in electronic format at this time. |
| 12:18.31 | jnwhiteh | PDF "protection" fails, basically |
| 12:18.56 | jnwhiteh | which makes putting a 1100 page book out in a PDF rather.. not good from the publisher's perspective. |
| 12:18.59 | Cruciformer | it does if you only use version 5 level protection. If you use a modern Acrobat its pretty secure. |
| 12:20.05 | Cruciformer | and yeah chapter 17 is what I am interested in |
| 12:20.23 | Cruciformer | just wanna know if I should order it now (which I think I should, I will need to know thiss tuff before christmas) |
| 12:21.00 | jnwhiteh | That chapter has indeed been rewritten, but the original material was still "right" |
| 12:21.04 | jnwhiteh | it was rewritten for "other" reasons. |
| 12:21.13 | jnwhiteh | and I think it flows much better now |
| 12:21.22 | jnwhiteh | Pick up a used copy of the first book if you can find one cheap |
| 12:21.30 | jnwhiteh | and you can decide later to pick up the new one to learn some of the new stuff. |
| 12:22.06 | Cruciformer | im in south africa, used books are only about $2 cheaper than new ones, and tbh Id rather you (and your publisher) earn an extra schekle or two |
| 12:23.54 | jnwhiteh | Ah, that sucks |
| 12:24.19 | jnwhiteh | well I get more money from the 2nd edition percentage-wise =) |
| 12:24.38 | Cruciformer | I'll be getting that too :P |
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| 14:37.56 | Ycarene | Will blizz consider limiting the amount of memory a single mod can use to prevent mods with large databases? |
| 14:38.31 | Adys | Why? |
| 14:38.53 | Adys | for one you don't need to have a large database to consume a lot of memory |
| 14:39.19 | Ycarene | To prevent quest helper type mods and such. |
| 14:41.24 | zenzelezz | if they wanted to prevent such mods then they would have done something about it long ago |
| 14:45.03 | cbreak | impossible to prevent |
| 14:45.13 | cbreak | an author could just split the DB into 10 mods |
| 14:45.15 | cbreak | or 100 |
| 14:45.44 | A-KO | what's the global limit on mod memory, if there is one? heh |
| 14:45.46 | zenzelezz | they couldn't prevent it utterly, but they could do things to make it more difficult; protect quest log APIs |
| 14:46.07 | A-KO | they don't care about something like QH |
| 14:46.10 | cbreak | I haven't seen a limit |
| 14:46.17 | A-KO | ouch |
| 14:46.20 | A-KO | I would support a global limit |
| 14:46.33 | A-KO | some mods use up a ton of ram |
| 14:46.39 | A-KO | I think Auctioneer can get up to 45-60MB |
| 14:46.41 | zenzelezz | don't use those then |
| 14:46.44 | zenzelezz | problem solved |
| 14:46.51 | Adys | you can set a limit |
| 14:46.56 | Adys | or could at some point i dont remember |
| 14:47.03 | Adys | in login screen, addons panel |
| 14:47.10 | A-KO | eh, it's not me I'm concerned about, 8G of ram :P (yes I know 2G max per 32-bit process, bleh).....but other people who come ot me and go "my wow is slow" |
| 14:47.42 | A-KO | "why is my wow slow?" and they've got 200 mods that do everything from quest helper to positioning to damage tracking to pvp announcements, etc. |
| 14:47.43 | Adys | I dunno where you people get such addons |
| 14:47.51 | Adys | i got like 20 addons or so |
| 14:47.58 | Adys | top ones use less than 2 mb |
| 14:48.04 | A-KO | Auctioneer uses a lot :P |
| 14:48.06 | Adys | total usage is around 10mb |
| 14:48.55 | cbreak | a 32 bit process can use up to 4GB of memory |
| 14:49.00 | cbreak | unless you are on windows I guess |
| 14:49.25 | A-KO | heh, had to throw that in there didn't you |
| 14:49.45 | cbreak | windows has kernel memory space in both kernel and app memory space |
| 14:49.52 | cbreak | so you can't use the whole for your own data |
| 14:49.56 | zenzelezz | cbreak: a 32-bit process on 32-bit Windows can only use 2-3 GB; a 32-bit process on Win64 can use more |
| 14:50.01 | Adys | under wine here, i got a memory usage of 800mb wow, 90mb xorg, 20mb wine |
| 14:50.05 | A-KO | zenzelezz: incorrect |
| 14:50.12 | A-KO | a 32-bit process on 64 still has the limit :P |
| 14:50.17 | zenzelezz | not the same limit |
| 14:50.32 | A-KO | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778(VS.85).aspx |
| 14:50.42 | A-KO | oh, 4G with the extension enabled :P |
| 14:51.37 | A-KO | A little birdie told me that Blizzard has been having some issues with 64-bit :P |
| 14:51.40 | A-KO | heh |
| 14:56.34 | Tepel | You're all wrong! |
| 14:56.47 | Tepel | Even 32-bit systems could address more then 4gb of memory |
| 14:57.06 | Tepel | But Microsoft has a software limit active on 32-bit home systems |
| 14:57.18 | zenzelezz | we were talking about exactly that |
| 14:57.23 | zenzelezz | not about theoretical limits |
| 14:57.27 | A-KO | uhm |
| 14:57.37 | Tepel | Meh, I was just skimming things :) |
| 14:57.37 | A-KO | Tepel you make it sound like they do that maliciously |
| 14:57.41 | Tepel | They are |
| 14:57.45 | A-KO | incorrect |
| 14:58.06 | Tepel | How does the consumer benefit from being able to use only 4gb? |
| 14:58.12 | cbreak | the per-process limit is based on the architecture |
| 14:58.16 | A-KO | They have no financial reason to "limit" systems to memory and the like, considering there is no extra cost on licensing for 64-bit versions of their products. |
| 14:58.19 | Tepel | per-process yes |
| 14:58.36 | cbreak | it can't easily be lifted without switching to 64bit processes |
| 14:58.42 | cbreak | in which case the limit doesn't exist |
| 14:58.46 | cbreak | or by splitting a process |
| 14:58.50 | A-KO | cbreak: his point is that it was malicious intent |
| 14:58.52 | A-KO | on Microsoft's part |
| 14:58.56 | cbreak | which is not optimal in performance |
| 14:59.00 | A-KO | I say it was just a design thing :P |
| 14:59.07 | Tepel | I say it's a licensing issues |
| 14:59.12 | A-KO | it's not |
| 14:59.15 | Tepel | s/issues/issue. |
| 14:59.18 | Tepel | It is |
| 14:59.21 | A-KO | licensing has nothing to do with it |
| 14:59.25 | Tepel | Let me get some of my records back |
| 14:59.27 | Tepel | Just a sec |
| 14:59.29 | A-KO | since 32 bit editions of their OS get you a 64-bit version |
| 14:59.31 | A-KO | unless you're talking XP |
| 14:59.32 | A-KO | then it did |
| 14:59.43 | A-KO | XP and XP64 did not share licensing, Vista 32 and 64 as well as W7 32 and 64 do |
| 14:59.53 | A-KO | so buying W7 32-bit Home Premium also gives you the option of running the 64-bit if you so choose |
| 15:00.16 | A-KO | As far as licensing and product requirements go, Exchange 2007 is only supported in a prod environment under 64-bit (though they have a 32-bit version available for demo and testing) |
| 15:01.03 | A-KO | as far as driver support goes, all drivers WHQL'd for Vista and 7 require 32 and 64-bit drivers available |
| 15:01.17 | A-KO | this was also not a requirement on XP64 (since it came out way late and shares architecture with Server 2003) |
| 15:01.28 | Tepel | http://www.geoffchappell.com/notes/windows/license/memory.htm |
| 15:01.33 | Tepel | Only related to Vista though |
| 15:01.43 | A-KO | that's an opinion piece |
| 15:01.46 | A-KO | that's not fact |
| 15:02.09 | Tepel | So you've read that one? |
| 15:03.01 | A-KO | Microsoft does not require any different licensing at all for 32-bit or 64-bit use, so that guy's entire opinion piece is wrong. They don't care which you run or how much memory you run. The only constraint on licensing is the number of physical sockets in your PC that you run, and client OS' are only licensed for up to dual socket configurations |
| 15:03.14 | A-KO | notice I said dual socket, you can run dual 16-core processors if they were available and Windows will see them :P |
| 15:04.10 | Tepel | No, but what I'm saying is, Vista 32-bit constains the code to use >4GB of memory |
| 15:04.19 | Tepel | But due to a software limitation it doesn't use it |
| 15:04.24 | A-KO | no, it doesn't. It's a design thing that has nothing to do with licensing |
| 15:05.05 | A-KO | If I just said to you: Microsoft does not charge for 64-bit editions of its OS, which do not have any memory limits that you would see in the next 10-20 years short of some miracles in hardware technology, then what benefit would Microsoft have by "forcing" users to use less memory on a 32-bit OS? None whatsoever. |
| 15:05.29 | A-KO | It's not like they're saying "hey you can't do that on 32-bit so BUY 64-bit", because it's not true, you can simply download the 64-bit ISO, in fact, Windows 7 will come with both in the box on retail shelves for every SKU of the product. |
| 15:05.46 | Tepel | Yes yes, there is no extra charge for using the 64-bit version |
| 15:05.55 | Tepel | So, if faced with the choice, choose 64-bit |
| 15:06.01 | A-KO | yes |
| 15:06.10 | cbreak | drawback: kernel mode code |
| 15:06.21 | A-KO | cbreak: very few people would concern themselves with that |
| 15:06.23 | A-KO | very, very few |
| 15:06.34 | cbreak | all who use a 32bit driver? :) |
| 15:06.39 | A-KO | no? |
| 15:06.45 | A-KO | only developers who do code testing with unsigned drivers |
| 15:07.08 | cbreak | 64 bit kernels don't run 32 bit drivers |
| 15:07.28 | A-KO | considering most popular drivers in Windows are user mode :P |
| 15:07.42 | cbreak | popular? |
| 15:08.08 | cbreak | things like graphic card drivers :) |
| 15:08.28 | A-KO | if you have any sort of modern computer, you won't have driver problems in Vista 64. For WHQL status on hardware (and to use the little logo) you have to have both 32 and 64 drivers. |
| 15:08.41 | A-KO | if you're running older hardware and trying to run the latest OS, that's your fault :P |
| 15:08.50 | A-KO | older hardware being anything prior to 2005/2006 |
| 15:09.31 | cbreak | will soon be happy with snow leopard |
| 15:09.45 | cbreak | it can switch between 32bit and 64bit kernel with a reboot. Not that that's particularly useful. |
| 15:09.54 | A-KO | defaults to 32 |
| 15:09.59 | A-KO | I have no real reason for that |
| 15:10.05 | A-KO | I haven't run a 32-bit desktop OS on my PC since 2005 |
| 15:10.51 | cbreak | on os x there are less advantages for a 64bit kernel than on windows |
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| 15:11.14 | cbreak | Since the memory limits are higher, and I can run 64bit processes on either |
| 15:11.19 | ScytheBlade1 | anyone summarize this wall of text staring at me? |
| 15:11.46 | A-KO | ScytheBlade1: someone assumes that Microsoft limits memory in 32-bit Windows because of licensing :P |
| 15:11.55 | A-KO | and then cbreak's now talking about OSX |
| 15:12.04 | A-KO | and meh, I have no interest in running OSX..I already run enough operating systems |
| 15:12.08 | A-KO | though technically my iphone runs OSX |
| 15:12.14 | ScytheBlade1 | well they do, but they also do the same in 64-bit |
| 15:12.20 | A-KO | no, they don't |
| 15:12.22 | A-KO | jesus |
| 15:12.25 | A-KO | it has NOTHING to do with licensing |
| 15:12.32 | ScytheBlade1 | tabs open google |
| 15:12.35 | A-KO | you can have ap rocess in 64-bit Vista/7 that runs 8TB of ram |
| 15:12.49 | Tepel | 64-bit yes |
| 15:13.06 | Tepel | "The mechanism by which 32-bit Windows Vista is incapable of using memory above 4GB is simply that Microsoft does not license it to use memory above 4GB. The code to use memory above 4GB is already present in the product as shipped. Microsoft just doesnât license you to use it. Microsoft seems never to say explicitly that this is the mechanism." |
| 15:13.10 | foxlit | I demand you mail me 8TB of RAM to test. |
| 15:13.16 | A-KO | foxlit: me too :( |
| 15:13.49 | A-KO | Tepel: As Isaid, this guy's point is nothing but a bunch of shit *BECAUSE* Microsoft does not CHARGE you to use more ram. Licensing has nothing to do with it, at all, in any shape or form, because there is NO charge to use more ram. |
| 15:14.28 | Tepel | But they are limiting me |
| 15:14.28 | A-KO | you can freely install either 32 or 64-bit at your will, on a one time price, and have as little or as much memory as you want up to 8TB per process |
| 15:15.00 | ScytheBlade1 | http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=4254 |
| 15:15.17 | Tepel | Whether or not they charge me is irrelevant |
| 15:15.22 | Tepel | The code is there, it's just disabled |
| 15:15.30 | A-KO | Tepel: I'm telling you 100%, that the guy's post on that page is complete bullshit :P |
| 15:15.41 | A-KO | ScytheBlade1: boo, 16GB heh |
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| 15:15.51 | ScytheBlade1 | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa366778%28VS.85%29.aspx#physical_memory_limits_windows_vista |
| 15:15.53 | A-KO | not like anyone's gonna run that anytime soon short of people who will be using pro |
| 15:16.00 | Tepel | See! It's the same trick again! |
| 15:16.07 | cbreak | enable it |
| 15:16.13 | cbreak | by installing a 64 bit version |
| 15:16.33 | Tepel | cba to buy 64-bit |
| 15:16.35 | A-KO | like I said, I haven't concerned myself with it, I don't use nor recommend 32-bit OS' for a majority of people these days as a client OS. |
| 15:16.40 | Tepel | 32-bit came with the laptop |
| 15:16.44 | A-KO | if you have 32-bit, 64-bit is free |
| 15:16.48 | A-KO | it's not "buying" anything |
| 15:16.50 | ScytheBlade1 | It absolutely is limited in both 32 and 64 bit land by licensing |
| 15:16.51 | Tepel | Really? |
| 15:16.57 | A-KO | your OEM might not support 64-bit |
| 15:17.00 | A-KO | but that's not a Microsoft thing |
| 15:17.10 | Tepel | So, I can install a 64-bit version with the same license key? |
| 15:17.11 | A-KO | yes |
| 15:17.15 | Tepel | Who knew! |
| 15:17.21 | Tepel | Well, you did |
| 15:17.24 | Tepel | But that's besides the point |
| 15:17.27 | ScytheBlade1 | I did too |
| 15:17.33 | ScytheBlade1 | points to various people who knew |
| 15:17.36 | Tepel | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:18.59 | Tepel | It's nice to know though |
| 15:19.13 | Tepel | Silly OEM still only gave me 32-bit though |
| 15:19.23 | Tepel | But if the license key is valid it's fine |
| 15:19.47 | ScytheBlade1 | also related, http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001283.html |
| 15:23.03 | A-KO | eh |
| 15:23.09 | A-KO | ScytheBlade1 that shit's common in the IT world |
| 15:23.16 | A-KO | every company has pricing deals like that |
| 15:23.38 | A-KO | I'm going through that right now with a couple of companies :P |
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| 15:24.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is exactly why he blamed "evil marketing weasels" |
| 15:25.09 | A-KO | eh, I don't consider it evil |
| 15:25.17 | A-KO | evil would be an unfair price |
| 15:25.28 | ScytheBlade1 | looks around and sees linux, linux, linux, and another linux box |
| 15:25.30 | ScytheBlade1 | ;P |
| 15:25.32 | A-KO | adjusting pricing based on what you can afford isn't evil :P |
| 15:25.34 | A-KO | eh |
| 15:25.37 | A-KO | even products for linux do this |
| 15:25.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Oracle? |
| 15:25.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh |
| 15:25.46 | A-KO | keep in mind what I'm talking about is OS independent :P sort of |
| 15:25.50 | A-KO | Altiris :P |
| 15:26.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, you mean something I'll -never- use |
| 15:26.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Gotcha |
| 15:26.06 | A-KO | there ya go |
| 15:26.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Of course |
| 15:26.23 | ScytheBlade1 | I just jinxed myself |
| 15:26.31 | ScytheBlade1 | would take any job right about now |
| 15:27.44 | A-KO | there are lots of things that can be done with one product or the other :P it all comes down to cost. |
| 15:28.31 | A-KO | you might save $ on the IT end by using linux but you'll make up for the cost by having to pay developers to rewrite internal company apps to a more OS-neutral system |
| 15:28.44 | A-KO | even if the long term cost savings are there, you still might have to maintenance it over time |
| 15:30.14 | A-KO | not to mention linux junkies tend to charge a higher going rate anyway :P |
| 15:31.22 | ScytheBlade1 | is one of those linux junkies |
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| 15:31.28 | A-KO | and that's why you're jobless |
| 15:31.29 | A-KO | heh |
| 15:31.34 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
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| 15:36.35 | A-KO | I use both pretty well....I don't have nearly the knowledge of linux as I do on Windows but I do manage a few sites and servers that get around a total of 100K unique hits/month :P though, that's not much for web-based stuff, but it's a lot more than what I've been used to...heh |
| 15:36.53 | A-KO | I have enough to learn more if I needed it for work :P |
| 15:37.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm actually very adept in windows, windows server, and the server protocol/working fundamentals |
| 15:38.01 | ScytheBlade1 | The job market just sucks :) |
| 15:38.12 | A-KO | ah |
| 15:38.13 | A-KO | move to DC |
| 15:38.23 | A-KO | there's like 1500 IT-related jobs in the Columbia, DC, and Baltimore regions :P |
| 15:38.29 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 15:38.31 | A-KO | mostly contract work for the government |
| 15:38.35 | A-KO | and that's just on careerbuilder |
| 15:39.18 | A-KO | yeah kinda sucks tbh :P |
| 15:39.21 | A-KO | North Carolina is another hotspot |
| 15:39.27 | A-KO | and I think the NSA is doing something out in UT as well |
| 15:39.38 | ScytheBlade1 | That's where I am |
| 15:40.12 | A-KO | http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2009/07/01/nsa-plans-16-billion-utah-data-center/ |
| 15:40.13 | A-KO | :P |
| 15:41.22 | Beladona | I can attest to the poor job market |
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| 15:41.41 | Beladona | I have been jobless for 2 months |
| 15:48.07 | Tepel | I'm hoping to win the lottery this week, so I can stay jobless and lock myself in my room |
| 15:49.25 | Tepel | by the by, the license key doesn't restrict the language of windows right? |
| 15:49.27 | Tepel | Only the version |
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| 16:13.57 | sag_ich_nicht | depends on the key |
| 16:14.22 | sag_ich_nicht | OEM keys don't work on VLK installers and vice versa e.g. |
| 16:18.05 | Fisker | It might've have changed with Vista |
| 16:18.16 | Fisker | But XP keys work for all languages of the same version |
| 16:20.34 | Fisker | btw |
| 16:20.55 | Fisker | With Windows Vista you can freely use x64 or x86 depending on your needs |
| 16:21.08 | Fisker | atleast as far as retail is concerned |
| 16:39.14 | Pneumatus | vista keys for all languages work on 32/64 all languages of the same version |
| 16:40.19 | industrial | vista -> trashcan |
| 16:40.22 | industrial | \:D/ |
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| 16:52.19 | Cide | how does vista imply trashcan? |
| 16:56.04 | airtonix | ok here goes |
| 16:56.14 | airtonix | mountainline : nuclear dumping ground.... |
| 16:56.21 | airtonix | nope? |
| 16:56.34 | Cide | huh |
| 16:56.36 | Cide | ? |
| 16:57.05 | airtonix | "vista" is word to describe a view of a mountain line no? |
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| 16:57.19 | Cide | <Pneumatus> vista keys for all languages work on 32/64 all languages of the same version |
| 16:57.19 | Cide | <industrial> vista -> trashcan |
| 16:57.28 | Cide | thus we're speaking windows vista |
| 16:58.11 | airtonix | < wooooshhh > |
| 16:58.24 | Thunder_Child | no one ever said 'windows' |
| 16:58.37 | Cide | <Fisker> With Windows Vista |
| 16:58.40 | Cide | sup |
| 16:58.50 | Cide | airtonix: I got it but it wasn't very funny or clever or anything at all really |
| 16:58.59 | Thunder_Child | 38 min ago. over 30 min is negated |
| 16:59.57 | Cide | hello, arbitrary rules |
| 17:00.11 | Cide | arbitrary is bad |
| 17:00.15 | Cide | you're bad |
| 17:00.34 | Thunder_Child | yes, yes, and yes |
| 17:00.40 | Thunder_Child | regardless, i win |
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| 17:07.48 | Fisker | trolling is trolling |
| 17:11.44 | zenzelezz | they see me trollin' |
| 17:12.18 | airtonix | <picture of fisker> when you see it, you will shit brix |
| 17:12.47 | airtonix | anon1: chair leg is missing a finger |
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| 17:31.27 | augustl | are there any tools that lets you see all the achievements for all your characters? Achievement-by-account-merger, so to speak. |
| 17:32.03 | augustl | hm, that was probably hugely off topic, since I'm (probably) talking about a website, not wowuidev ; ) |
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| 17:37.27 | Ackis | ok why would addonspamfu be telling me that someone who is using carbonite is spamming me when I'm not in a group with them, not in guild with them, not in the same zone as them? |
| 17:37.40 | Pneumatus | carbonite whispers |
| 17:37.41 | nevcairiel | doesnt it send to people on friendlist? |
| 17:37.43 | Pneumatus | because its fucking retarded |
| 17:37.45 | nevcairiel | or something |
| 17:37.53 | Pneumatus | yeh, it whisper broadcasts to friendslist |
| 17:38.13 | Ackis | can I report that as spamming me? |
| 17:38.23 | nevcairiel | you can try =P |
| 17:39.22 | Ackis | would ignoring them give them errors? |
| 17:39.28 | nevcairiel | not sure |
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| 17:39.37 | Pneumatus | dunno, but it will stop you being sent the messages |
| 17:40.29 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/pvp/WoWScrnShot_090609_203316.jpg |
| 17:40.31 | Ackis | submitted a ticket, gonna see what the GM does :P (aka nothing because they have the IQ's of bananas) |
| 17:44.14 | Fisker | you should feel bad mikma |
| 17:44.37 | mikma | fisker: i don't |
| 17:44.43 | mikma | or, actually |
| 17:44.51 | Fisker | should i feel bad? |
| 17:44.56 | mikma | i do, i can feel the pain of alliance |
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| 18:01.19 | Adys | "It's all so complicated! With the flowers! And the romance! And the lies upon lies!" |
| 18:01.25 | Adys | Best futurama quote |
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| 18:32.41 | Adys | [20:42:00] <mikma> http://wow.reaktio.net/pvp/WoWScrnShot_090609_203316.jpg |
| 18:32.42 | Adys | meh |
| 18:33.00 | Adys | we used to have wsg teams back before bc |
| 18:33.12 | Adys | would get 10 bg wins without deaths in a row |
| 18:33.28 | Adys | horde also had one of those >> |
| 18:33.34 | Kalroth | :P |
| 18:33.43 | Kalroth | 4 healers, no wonder you dont die |
| 18:33.43 | Adys | Kalroth: fu you werent in it anyway |
| 18:33.46 | Kalroth | you heal them to death |
| 18:33.54 | Kalroth | Adys: fuck no |
| 18:34.05 | Adys | I remember some day |
| 18:34.11 | Adys | wsg buff, trinketed to hell |
| 18:34.21 | Adys | schopie walking around in berserker stance trying to get me |
| 18:34.25 | Adys | BLAM double frostbolt crit |
| 18:34.40 | Adys | I think I did something like a 4k crit and I was all "woah" |
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| 18:35.31 | Adys | but yeah |
| 18:35.38 | Adys | thats not the horde team being good |
| 18:35.42 | Adys | its just the ally one being shit |
| 18:35.44 | Adys | look at their dmgh |
| 18:36.33 | Adys | nice gy camping too |
| 18:36.41 | Adys | 38-39 kills everyone |
| 18:37.33 | Adys | maybe my head isn't working right or something but i always avoided the horde graveyard |
| 18:37.42 | Adys | unless they were getting their flag there |
| 18:38.19 | Adys | if im gonna go get boring honor in boring games might as well start up my afk script |
| 18:44.30 | roastx | why do you want to get honor in a game you dont play |
| 18:44.42 | Adys | grats, you just got the point |
| 18:44.55 | roastx | wheres my cookie |
| 18:45.13 | roastx | I WANT MY FUCKING COOKIE |
| 18:45.27 | Kraps | i think this guy is missing some arp gems http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Magtheridon&n=Ragebar |
| 18:46.18 | ScytheBlade1 | yay, I finally have a series of bars that count down, display text, and animate from 100% to 0%! |
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| 19:01.05 | zenzelezz | cuddles Cairenn |
| 19:01.14 | Cairenn | snuggles zenzelezz |
| 19:05.13 | Fisker | i will find you and destroy you |
| 19:05.21 | Fisker | puts on his serial killer face |
| 19:07.52 | Shirik | huggles Cairenn |
| 19:07.59 | Cairenn | snuggles Shirik |
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| 19:12.09 | Fisker | i demand a refund |
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| 19:23.30 | Shirik | wikipedia is a great concept |
| 19:23.40 | Shirik | but I wish we didn't have all those people in the world that think they know everything and in fact know nothing |
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| 19:24.48 | nevcairiel | those are annoying even without wikipedia for them to spoil :P |
| 19:25.32 | Kraps | i used to be in wikipedias cvu /flex |
| 19:27.19 | Shirik | I think cvu died |
| 19:27.24 | Shirik | it doesn't seem to be active |
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| 19:34.25 | Fisker | Shirikmen |
| 19:34.26 | Fisker | goodnight |
| 19:34.37 | Shirik | oyasumi nasai |
| 19:38.23 | Cide | wow, I am amazing |
| 19:38.39 | Fisker | that's what she said |
| 19:39.28 | Cide | http://pastey.net/124730 |
| 19:39.39 | Cide | best function ever |
| 19:40.35 | Fisker | slaps Cide around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:41.16 | Cide | I'm sure Shirik agrees |
| 19:42.12 | Fisker | but i still slapped you |
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| 19:42.27 | Shirik | I think it's wrong Cide |
| 19:42.30 | Cide | why? |
| 19:42.38 | Shirik | shouldn't 29 be "return ..." ? |
| 19:42.43 | Fisker | because i slapped you |
| 19:42.43 | Fisker | :3 |
| 19:43.02 | Cloudwolf | what warlock ability causes fear besides fear? |
| 19:43.06 | nevcairiel | value = select(1, ...); is fail :P |
| 19:43.07 | Cide | if offset == 1 then that means we've exhausted the whole parameter list |
| 19:43.12 | Cide | nevcairiel: yeah, true |
| 19:43.13 | Cloudwolf | i swaer thers something that causes me to fear from taking dammage |
| 19:43.17 | Shirik | I'm really confused at what you're doing |
| 19:44.07 | Cide | CombatLog:Get("sourceGUID", "targetGUID", ...) -- where ... is the parameter list from the combat log event |
| 19:44.13 | Cide | returns the source guid and target guid fields |
| 19:44.25 | Shirik | ah |
| 19:44.28 | Shirik | very nice |
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| 19:48.10 | Cloudwolf | i hate death coil..... |
| 19:49.52 | tem | the lock or DK version? |
| 19:50.16 | mikma | i hate the lock version |
| 19:55.08 | Cloudwolf | lock |
| 19:55.30 | Cloudwolf | its na instant fear |
| 19:55.34 | Cloudwolf | with enought ime to cast hte real fear |
| 19:55.49 | nevcairiel | isnt it nice |
| 19:56.37 | Cloudwolf | no not at all |
| 19:56.41 | Cloudwolf | they dispell stun |
| 19:56.44 | Cloudwolf | then fear me |
| 19:57.11 | Yssaril | if i have a function that returns either nil or a table what is the prefered way to convert it into a bolean (i dont want to keep the table in memory) |
| 19:57.26 | nevcairiel | would be no challenge, if they wouldnt :) |
| 19:57.29 | Yssaril | currently i just do local b = not not foo() |
| 19:57.59 | nevcairiel | that works |
| 19:58.20 | nevcairiel | its easier then everythign else =p |
| 19:58.39 | nevcairiel | could do "foo() and true or false" instead, but its not really different |
| 19:59.22 | Shirik | "not not foo()" is the fastest way |
| 19:59.38 | Shirik | and the preferred way |
| 19:59.48 | Yssaril | k cool |
| 19:59.54 | Shirik | however the real question is why do you actually need a boolean? |
| 20:00.12 | nevcairiel | he wants the table to go the GC route, he said that =P |
| 20:00.18 | Yssaril | am just checking if a PT set exists don't need whats in the set |
| 20:00.25 | Shirik | hm |
| 20:00.40 | Shirik | am I the only one that thinks that's premature optimization? |
| 20:00.44 | Cide | nope |
| 20:00.50 | Cide | I was just busy coding |
| 20:04.21 | Shirik | Cide <3 |
| 20:04.24 | Shirik | you're really doing it |
| 20:04.30 | Shirik | you were supposed to ask me for help :( |
| 20:04.31 | Cide | I always start |
| 20:04.33 | Cide | I don't always finish |
| 20:04.37 | Cide | that's what she said |
| 20:04.46 | Cide | anyway |
| 20:04.51 | Cide | I did ask you for help |
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| 20:06.30 | Cide | you were like "screw you, I have more important things to do" |
| 20:06.56 | Relcuse | anyone know how i can resize pet bar button marquee animation? i cannot for the life of me figure out how to reference it |
| 20:07.44 | Shirik | what |
| 20:07.46 | Shirik | I didn't say that Cide |
| 20:07.50 | Shirik | I still have it in my logs! |
| 20:07.54 | Shirik | hell I still have the window open |
| 20:08.09 | Shirik | (19:36:05) (Shirik) np sure I'd gladly help out, though I have a bit limited time at the moment |
| 20:08.22 | Cide | <Shirik> I have a bit limited time at the moment |
| 20:08.25 | Cide | SEE?! |
| 20:08.26 | Shirik | Yeah |
| 20:08.29 | Shirik | way to take out the first half |
| 20:08.32 | Shirik | where I said "yes" |
| 20:08.33 | Cide | black on white. |
| 20:08.57 | Cide | anyway, you're welcome to help out |
| 20:09.10 | Shirik | Please don't take offense to this, it's a legit question because I don't know |
| 20:09.19 | Shirik | is English not your first language? |
| 20:09.33 | Cide | it isn't |
| 20:09.39 | Cide | and I was joking if it wasn't obvious |
| 20:09.48 | Shirik | Yeah but it raised an interesting point |
| 20:09.50 | Cide | I'm swedish for the record |
| 20:09.52 | Shirik | English is confusing |
| 20:09.55 | Shirik | That I knew |
| 20:09.57 | Cide | how so? |
| 20:10.10 | Shirik | Well I think if I didn't know English I could take that as a "no" |
| 20:10.12 | Dagmar | English is fine. Bad english is confusing |
| 20:10.21 | Cide | ah |
| 20:10.23 | Shirik | "I would help out but <reason I can't>" |
| 20:10.34 | Cide | nah, I'm just kidding |
| 20:10.45 | Shirik | but it's a valid point |
| 20:11.03 | Cide | if you find you have the time just let me know |
| 20:11.40 | Cide | or if you do right now that also works |
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| 20:12.12 | Shirik | I might >.> |
| 20:12.55 | Cide | meh |
| 20:13.12 | Cide | then I need to set up some kind of ssc |
| 20:13.16 | Cide | you bastard |
| 20:13.16 | Cide | . |
| 20:13.25 | Cide | any preferences? |
| 20:20.19 | Shirik | perforce |
| 20:20.29 | Shirik | no preference really |
| 20:20.42 | Shirik | I think I have every VCS installed now |
| 20:20.44 | Shirik | because of ScytheBlade1 |
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| 20:21.48 | Cide | lua> type |
| 20:21.48 | lua_bot | Cide: function: 0x8a98f40 |
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| 20:24.24 | Shirik | LAST NINE DAYS |
| 20:24.26 | Shirik | UP TO 70% OFF |
| 20:26.48 | Cide | hmm |
| 20:31.40 | Relcuse | i keep finding: ACModel = getglobal("PetActionButton"..i.."AutoCast"), but seems to be a nil value for whatever reason. |
| 20:32.29 | Silversage | boots Qzot from the channel. |
| 20:32.53 | Shirik | Relcuse, gives you an error or that ACModel == nil? |
| 20:33.01 | Shirik | Not to mention getglobal is bad |
| 20:33.04 | Relcuse | ACModel = nil |
| 20:33.39 | Relcuse | well, _G is in my implementation, but that was a paste from yet another google result of the same thing lol |
| 20:34.03 | Shirik | Then that would seem to indicate PetActionButton<n>AutoCast does not exist |
| 20:34.47 | Relcuse | correct. i do have and am able to resize PetActionButton#AutoCastable, which is the four yellow corner pieces. And the animated model is visible on-screen. |
| 20:35.18 | industrial | loooool |
| 20:35.28 | industrial | path of frost + anub-arak ftw |
| 20:35.38 | industrial | the drop, that is |
| 20:37.16 | tem | now you know what I was laughing about last tuesday |
| 20:38.57 | Relcuse | hrm, well it has to be getting the marquee from -somewhere- lol, but found an addon commit log that mentioned the autocast model was removed for wrath. just have to figure out the reference to it that bliz is using. |
| 20:42.16 | foxlit | "DLP projectors utilizing a mechanical spinning color wheel may exhibit an anomaly known as the ârainbow effectâ. This is best described as brief flashes of perceived red, blue, and green "shadows" observed most often when the projected content features high contrast areas of moving bright/white objects on a mostly dark/black background." |
| 20:42.42 | foxlit | Curse you, projector technology, for bothering me so much :( |
| 20:48.05 | industrial | tem: if I'd have seen you laugh yes? |
| 20:59.39 | Relcuse | ugh. fixed it. PetActionButton#AutoCast is now ...#Shine, but shine:SetPoint() calls don't seem to work, and a simple shine:SetHeight/Width() sufficed. |
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| 21:24.02 | Arrowmaster | grr stupid fucking jumpers on WD pata drives |
| 21:24.35 | Arrowmaster | pulled a dvd burner from a computer and then the hdd wasnt detected so i had to pull the fucking hdd and change the jumpers |
| 21:24.56 | Arrowmaster | theres possitions for 'single' 'master with slave' 'slave' and 'cable detect' |
| 21:29.36 | Dagmar | YEah. |
| 21:29.38 | Dagmar | THat's normal. |
| 21:29.54 | ScytheBlade1 | So glad that SATA gets rid of that! |
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| 21:30.22 | Dagmar | Well, there's a degree to which paying attention gets rid of that |
| 21:30.28 | Dagmar | Two drives per cable |
| 21:30.35 | Dagmar | It's not like you have to rejumper a lot of stuff |
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| 22:02.21 | freameup | Hello, all, I am trying to use outSAY in one of my addons...but it gives this error... " Attempt to call global "outSAY" (a nil value)" Can some1 help please? |
| 22:03.52 | freameup | And the thing is, it works for other people :( but not for me... |
| 22:04.00 | freameup | For me it gives that error. |
| 22:06.49 | Shirik | I laugh at you fox |
| 22:06.51 | Shirik | foxlit |
| 22:06.54 | Shirik | where did he go |
| 22:07.14 | Shirik | freameup: What is outSAY? |
| 22:07.34 | freameup | It's a command for /say in WoW. |
| 22:07.39 | Shirik | No it's not |
| 22:07.45 | freameup | No? |
| 22:07.56 | Shirik | I have no idea what it is, but SendChatMessage does that, not outSAY |
| 22:08.10 | Shirik | I have never heard of this outSAY before |
| 22:09.37 | freameup | ... :| |
| 22:09.42 | freameup | It works for other people.. |
| 22:10.49 | Yssaril | freameup: just checked all the blizzard addon/framexml file and it doesnt exist |
| 22:11.57 | Shirik | I promise you freameup, it does not exist |
| 22:12.11 | Shirik | if it "works for other people" then you're reading these other people's code wrong |
| 22:15.51 | jnwhiteh | that function most certainly does not exist :P |
| 22:16.13 | freameup | :| |
| 22:16.18 | freameup | So strange. |
| 22:16.19 | freameup | Anyway. |
| 22:16.26 | freameup | The alternative Shirik told me. |
| 22:16.27 | freameup | Works. |
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| 22:16.33 | freameup | Thank you very much Shirik. |
| 22:16.39 | Shirik | np |
| 22:17.15 | Shirik | hm |
| 22:17.24 | Shirik | does the GETGLOBAL opcode do a table lookup or a raw lookup? |
| 22:17.44 | jnwhiteh | table, afaik |
| 22:18.57 | Shirik | aha |
| 22:19.03 | Shirik | I see what outSAY is |
| 22:19.25 | Shirik | I wonder if I should ban him or wait for him to come back |
| 22:19.36 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 22:19.50 | Shirik | I'll wait; it will be more fun |
| 22:19.57 | jnwhiteh | lots of people coming out of the woodwork |
| 22:19.59 | mikma | well, i'm not sure is it the same dude, but the "outSAY" is same than the code from the private server -guy |
| 22:20.09 | Shirik | outSAY is part of GMHelper |
| 22:20.19 | mikma | <1854> [freenode] <dorian99999> I found out man... |
| 22:20.19 | mikma | <1854> [freenode] <dorian99999> How... |
| 22:20.19 | mikma | <1854> [freenode] <dorian99999> Hey, are you a GM or something? |
| 22:20.19 | mikma | <1854> [freenode] <dorian99999> On Blizz? |
| 22:20.25 | mikma | this was funny ^^ |
| 22:20.37 | tem | what's GMHelper? |
| 22:20.38 | mikma | GMHelper? |
| 22:20.46 | Shirik | some tool used on private servers, according to google |
| 22:20.49 | Seerah | a dorian89 was asking about private servers yesterday or the day before |
| 22:21.03 | tem | I've seen the interface that GMs have internally |
| 22:21.05 | tem | it's.... ugly |
| 22:21.13 | Shirik | I'm assuming this is a custom system |
| 22:21.22 | mikma | i tried helping him quite a while until i realized it's for private servers.. |
| 22:21.38 | Shirik | I should add a shiibot module to ping me next time he comes on |
| 22:21.55 | Dagmar | It's a shame you can't say, code addons to simply client-exit if the server name doesn't match a known blizz server. ;) |
| 22:22.06 | Shirik | you probably could |
| 22:22.09 | tem | you can |
| 22:22.13 | tem | ForceQuit() |
| 22:22.19 | Shirik | Most private servers don't run at the current version |
| 22:22.26 | mikma | i would love to see the default GM ui |
| 22:22.48 | tem | it was really unpolished |
| 22:22.57 | tem | and had icons stretched to the wrong shapes |
| 22:23.05 | tem | and larger than they should be |
| 22:23.10 | tem | it was awful |
| 22:23.17 | tem | </mort goldman> |
| 22:23.20 | Shirik | don't need to look good if it works |
| 22:23.32 | mikma | let's google! |
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| 22:39.21 | Shirik | does anyone know how to add an email address to linkedin? |
| 22:51.24 | Shirik | ahahaha |
| 22:51.32 | Shirik | finally, career services caught in their own spam |
| 22:51.51 | Shirik | my school's spam server has managed to catch career services' newsletters as spam |
| 22:52.56 | Cairenn | Shirik: left side of the screen > edit my profile > right side of screen > edit contact settings > persaonl information > email addresses |
| 22:53.14 | Cairenn | personal* |
| 22:53.38 | Shirik | yeah I don't have any "personal information" |
| 22:54.04 | Cairenn | yes you do |
| 22:54.14 | Cairenn | when you tried to go there, it asked you to log in, right? |
| 22:54.30 | Shirik | I see on "edit contact settings" "What type of messages will you accept?" and "Opportunity preferences" |
| 22:54.35 | Cairenn | and after you logged in, it took you to ... right |
| 22:54.51 | Cairenn | click on "go back to account & settings", top right corner |
| 22:55.32 | Shirik | oh |
| 22:55.37 | Cairenn | :) |
| 22:55.39 | Shirik | so the "go back" button goes to a completely different page |
| 22:55.42 | Shirik | wtf is that |
| 22:55.44 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 22:55.46 | Cairenn | heh |
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| 22:59.04 | Guillotine | waves hello to everyone |
| 22:59.10 | Shirik | tackles Guillotine |
| 22:59.14 | Cairenn | hey Guillotine :) |
| 23:00.14 | Guillotine | parries Shirik's tackle. (Hmm, parrying a tackle would probably hurt...) |
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| 23:01.28 | Shirik | oh my |
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| 23:03.20 | Shirik | Quantnum computer == successful |
| 23:03.33 | DWSR | Shirik: LINK OR DIE |
| 23:03.39 | DWSR | Preferably link. |
| 23:03.44 | Shirik | trying to find a good way to get a link for this |
| 23:03.53 | DWSR | is.gd? |
| 23:04.00 | Shirik | here we go |
| 23:04.01 | Shirik | http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/hardware/chip-does-part-of-codecracking-quantum-algorithm |
| 23:04.24 | Shirik | it's a trivial problem to solve |
| 23:04.30 | Shirik | but the fact that they did it is impressive |
| 23:04.43 | cbreak | I solve trivial problems all the time |
| 23:04.57 | cbreak | (but they are way more trivial than that quantum thing) |
| 23:05.34 | tem | your mom is a trivial problem |
| 23:05.58 | cbreak | I wonder if they scale as well as your mom does... |
| 23:06.09 | cbreak | (upwards that is) |
| 23:06.13 | tem | firstly, ew. |
| 23:06.37 | DWSR | Shirik: that's sweet. |
| 23:06.50 | DWSR | But honestly, why do we need faster computers? We can barely find shit for *today's* computers to do. |
| 23:07.27 | cbreak | oh, there are many things that require lots of cpu power |
| 23:07.35 | cbreak | like cracking the communication of the NSA |
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| 23:07.42 | tem | I can find some shit for your computer to do |
| 23:07.49 | tem | *wink* |
| 23:08.04 | tem | Damn you, cbreak. This is your fault. |
| 23:08.06 | DWSR | lol |
| 23:08.19 | DWSR | cbreak: If quantum computers come around, the alphabet boys are fucked. |
| 23:08.20 | cbreak | hmm? :) |
| 23:08.23 | Shirik | DWSR: Imagine a world where we could sort numbers in O(n) time |
| 23:08.29 | Shirik | :D |
| 23:08.35 | DWSR | Shirik: lol |
| 23:08.53 | DWSR | Anyone here good with networking? I'm trying to avoid a double nat. |
| 23:08.56 | cbreak | that world would... look exactly the same :) |
| 23:09.01 | Shirik | Basically, the purpose of quantum computers is not to make them faster. It's to reduce algorithmic complexity. |
| 23:09.30 | Shirik | cbreak: No? the fastest sorting algorithm we have right now is O(nlogn) |
| 23:09.33 | tem | That doesn't make sense to me |
| 23:09.34 | cbreak | I know |
| 23:10.17 | cbreak | but people rather throw more hardware at a problem than more programmers |
| 23:10.17 | tem | how does using smaller and faster parts reduce complexity? |
| 23:10.17 | cbreak | and quantum computers need very exotic programmers |
| 23:10.17 | wobin | ooo |
| 23:10.17 | Shirik | tem: It's not "smaller and faster" |
| 23:10.17 | wobin | like ones from Jamaica? |
| 23:10.28 | Shirik | it's "solving the problem in ways completely different from what we do now" |
| 23:10.42 | Shirik | Take the example of sorting a set of numbers |
| 23:10.49 | tem | sounds like a job security problem |
| 23:10.52 | wobin | "Thinking outside the current box"? =P |
| 23:10.54 | tem | down with quantum computing! |
| 23:11.03 | Shirik | the current way to do it, for example with a comparison sort, is to compare each number against each other, make some decision to swap them, etc. |
| 23:11.16 | Shirik | With quantum computing, instead you randomly sort them |
| 23:11.29 | Shirik | in every possible way |
| 23:11.38 | wobin | Shirik: sounds very much like the monkies at the typewriters =) |
| 23:11.40 | Shirik | destroy all the wrong answers and you will have a correct answer |
| 23:11.55 | wobin | hm brb |
| 23:11.59 | *** part/#wowuidev wobin (n=Wobwork@136.136.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 23:12.20 | tem | there's an n! involved there |
| 23:12.29 | Shirik | how do you see that? |
| 23:12.33 | cbreak | why do you need O(n) to destroy all the wrong answers? |
| 23:12.43 | *** join/#wowuidev WobWork (n=Wobwork@136.136.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 23:12.48 | cbreak | there are n!-1 wrong answers |
| 23:12.50 | WobWork | hm |
| 23:12.53 | WobWork | there we go |
| 23:13.06 | Shirik | cbreak: The O(n) comes from verifying that it is correct |
| 23:13.37 | Shirik | All answers exist simultaneously |
| 23:13.38 | tem | yeah, I hate you |
| 23:13.47 | tem | return to your resistors, EE |
| 23:13.53 | Shirik | hey |
| 23:14.00 | Shirik | it's right |
| 23:14.03 | Shirik | I'm not saying I can do it |
| 23:14.06 | Shirik | but that's the theory behind it |
| 23:14.42 | cbreak | who ever can program those things will earn a fortune |
| 23:15.09 | Shirik | we have to make them first :P |
| 23:15.17 | Shirik | but obviously we're getting there |
| 23:16.57 | *** join/#wowuidev DWSR2 (n=brandonm@24.114.252.240) |
| 23:17.28 | Shirik | here tem, this is where I'm going |
| 23:18.05 | Shirik | it has been argued that RSA encryption will become completely worthless when quantum computing becomes available |
| 23:18.22 | DWSR | Shirik: It probably will be. Such is the evolution of technology. |
| 23:18.31 | WobWork | gah. My boss has two first names for his name. Both spelled somewhat 'creatively' |
| 23:18.37 | Shirik | That being said |
| 23:18.49 | Shirik | I wonder what will happen to the whole P=NP problem with quantum computing |
| 23:18.49 | WobWork | I still have to think hard to figure out which is the 'first' name |
| 23:19.23 | DWSR | WobWork: Probably doesn't beat Mike Hunt or Autumn Death. |
| 23:19.43 | Kraps | WIN http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clw7SAJs_6w |
| 23:19.51 | WobWork | Shirik: Well, RSA is only secure because the effort required to brute force the solution is beyond current machines to solve at an accepted rate |
| 23:20.02 | WobWork | Martyn Toney |
| 23:20.29 | Shirik | well the theory is that if brute forcing becomes possible, we can just increase the number of bits, right WobWork? Because verifying the solution is so much easier than solving it |
| 23:20.44 | Shirik | Quantum computing will turn solving the solution into a simple operation |
| 23:21.13 | Shirik | But here's the fun part |
| 23:21.18 | Shirik | does that mean it's no longer NP-complete? |
| 23:21.33 | Shirik | I'm not sure how you define algorithmic time with quantum computing |
| 23:21.33 | cbreak | P=NP problem: is the set of things that are computable in polynomial time equal to that of the things that are computable in non-polinomial time? |
| 23:21.39 | WobWork | Well if you remove the factor that's limiting current solve rates, ie, the number of possible attempts in one operation, you bypass the deciding factor |
| 23:21.47 | mikma | god damnit |
| 23:21.55 | mikma | now i keep getting random disconnects |
| 23:22.03 | WobWork | ~staple mikma |
| 23:22.04 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples mikma quite well, and hands mikma to wobwork |
| 23:22.52 | mikma | i've never had those before, they started week~ ago |
| 23:22.54 | cbreak | I think NP complete things are defined as polynomialy verifiable |
| 23:23.27 | DWSR | ~lart WobWork |
| 23:23.27 | purl | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags WobWork into court suing for $200 million |
| 23:23.30 | DWSR | brb |
| 23:23.36 | Shirik | cbreak: Exactly |
| 23:23.43 | Shirik | RSA is an example of an NP-Complete problem.... now |
| 23:23.51 | Shirik | but what about when you throw quantum computing at it |
| 23:23.59 | cbreak | so if we had a non-deterministic state machine we could solve them in polynomial time |
| 23:24.08 | Shirik | no |
| 23:24.20 | Shirik | Unless you have a proof that P=NP |
| 23:24.32 | *** join/#wowuidev DWSR (n=brandonm@24.114.252.238) |
| 23:25.04 | cbreak | non-deterministic state machines can do weird things :) |
| 23:26.20 | cbreak | hmm... |
| 23:26.27 | Shirik | anyway the real question is whether or not RSA is NP-Complete |
| 23:26.29 | cbreak | been ages since I had to learn that, so not sure |
| 23:26.36 | Shirik | or, better yet, if ANYTHING is NP-Complete |
| 23:26.47 | Shirik | or what the definition of NP-Complete is with quantum computing |
| 23:26.53 | cbreak | rsa is prime factorisation? |
| 23:32.49 | Dagmar | It it weren't an NP problem it wouldn't be useful as RSA |
| 23:33.14 | Dagmar | "NP-Complete is with quantum computing" =~ "bankers jumping out of windows" |
| 23:34.40 | Shirik | I'm not sure I understand that last statement Dagmar :P |
| 23:45.59 | Dagmar | If you can solve problems of NP completeness in less than the usual (by which I mean "glacial") timeframe, bankers and security officers alike will be jumping out of windows. |
| 23:46.14 | Dagmar | ...and some will probably be hiring hitmen. |
| 23:46.16 | Shirik | heh |
| 23:48.21 | Textmode | or they'd just shift to more low-tech solutions that don't lend themselves well to code-cracking...? |
| 23:48.46 | WobWork | "I've carved the security code into my thighbone.. it'll take an xray to get it!" |
| 23:48.50 | Dagmar | Ah yes, because checking signatures and assuming that social-security numbers are private is so secure |
| 23:49.06 | Dagmar | That's why _their_ money is protected by strong crypto and _our_ money is, well... there for the taking |
| 23:49.23 | WobWork | Dagmar: it's not -our- money |
| 23:49.31 | WobWork | it's just a brief lend of -their- money |
| 23:49.37 | WobWork | til they want it back |
| 23:49.41 | WobWork | (with interest) |
| 23:49.42 | Dagmar | I don't know what kind of checking account you have, but my money is definitely my money |
| 23:49.46 | Dagmar | Some of it is even my gold. |
| 23:49.50 | WobWork | that's what -you- think |
| 23:50.08 | WobWork | when in reality, they do whatever the hell they want with "your" money |
| 23:50.17 | WobWork | thus making it -their- money =P |
| 23:50.23 | Dagmar | This is why I converted about half my liquids into gold last year |
| 23:50.37 | WobWork | is it in a vault under your house? |
| 23:50.40 | Dagmar | Bankers can't be stupid with the things I can bury |
| 23:51.05 | WobWork | if you're not sitting on it, right now, it's not even -your- gold =P |
| 23:51.19 | Dagmar | Try spending it |
| 23:51.28 | WobWork | I don't know of many corner stores that take bullion |
| 23:51.43 | Dagmar | Try pawn shops and especially jewelers |
| 23:51.51 | Dagmar | They will very readily take gold |
| 23:51.58 | Dagmar | ...and give you fair market on it, too. |
| 23:51.59 | WobWork | but still |
| 23:52.14 | WobWork | if you're not physically sitting on it, they can do with it how they wish |
| 23:52.36 | Dagmar | Like, I can do whatever I wish with your TV because you're not sitting on it? |
| 23:52.51 | WobWork | and by sitting, I mean direct physical access |
| 23:52.59 | WobWork | Of which you do not have, for my TV |
| 23:53.02 | Dagmar | I don't know why you keep even mentioning that |
| 23:53.13 | WobWork | You brought up the TV =( |
| 23:53.19 | WobWork | it's a terrible TV anyway |
| 23:53.19 | Dagmar | I didn't just have a bank start telling me about some of my money as _if_ it were gold. |
| 23:53.23 | Shirik | all of this is irrelevant anyway |
| 23:53.25 | Dagmar | I *bought* gold, had it shipped |
| 23:53.26 | Shirik | money does not exist |
| 23:53.30 | WobWork | this ^ |
| 23:53.44 | kd3 | looks at the fancy pieces of cloth in his wallet |
| 23:53.47 | Shirik | for some reason we pass around these little green pieces of paper because we value them for some reason |
| 23:54.02 | Adys | steals kd3's fancy pieces of cloth |
| 23:54.06 | WobWork | pft, paper and cloth... so outdated =) |
| 23:54.25 | Dagmar | Who has cloth money? |
| 23:54.32 | Adys | I do |
| 23:54.33 | WobWork | americans? |
| 23:54.40 | Adys | I remove my clothes, girls give me money |
| 23:54.40 | Dagmar | No, that's paper. |
| 23:54.43 | Adys | that's cloth money |
| 23:54.44 | WobWork | it's a kind of linen, isn't it? |
| 23:54.48 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 23:54.57 | Cairenn | try working in a cash office some time - money really does become "just pieces of paper with numbers on it" |
| 23:55.07 | Cairenn | yes |
| 23:55.09 | kd3 | ^ |
| 23:55.11 | kd3 | been there, done that |
| 23:55.16 | Dagmar | Same here |
| 23:55.26 | Adys | sends Cairenn some cloth money. |
| 23:55.51 | WobWork | Cairenn: You can buy more cloth(e)s now! |
| 23:55.56 | Dagmar | ...because at some point, you realize that large piles of other people's money can't buy you love. |
| 23:55.58 | Cairenn | heh |
| 23:56.06 | Dagmar | ...but much smaller amounts of your own can easily rent it. |
| 23:56.06 | WobWork | damn you Dagmar |
| 23:56.12 | WobWork | now I have that stuck in my head |
| 23:56.40 | WobWork | and now it's morphed from the Beatles to RENT |
| 23:56.53 | WobWork | >< |
| 23:57.04 | Shirik | WobWork: Who would want that? |
| 23:57.18 | WobWork | clothes? |
| 23:57.22 | Dagmar | Well, clearly suicide is an option. |
| 23:57.26 | Shirik | exactly |
| 23:57.37 | Dagmar | I can't imagine having RENT stuck in my head |
| 23:57.37 | WobWork | Women find them exciting, I hear |
| 23:57.39 | Dagmar | *shudder* |
| 23:57.47 | Shirik | generally the purpose of giving money to a female is for reduction of clothes, not an increase of clothes |
| 23:57.57 | Shirik | this is my understanding at least |
| 23:58.00 | Jerub | Shirik: you're clearly not married. |
| 23:58.01 | WobWork | Shirik: is this before, or after marriage? =P |
| 23:58.06 | Dagmar | Let me assure you, that if you've actually known people like the characters in that drama, it's just not amusing anymore. |
| 23:58.08 | Shirik | rofl |
| 23:58.17 | Adys | Shirik: it's a perversion circle |
| 23:58.27 | Adys | you give money to women so they remove clothes |
| 23:58.32 | Adys | they buy more clothes with that money |
| 23:58.43 | Adys | next time you need to give them more money because they got more clothes to remove |
| 23:58.45 | Adys | ??? PROFIT. |
| 23:58.48 | WobWork | Then you give money to them to keep them around to keep removing clothes |
| 23:59.04 | WobWork | Adys: you forgot the "Steal Underwear" step =P |
| 23:59.22 | Adys | I uh |
| 23:59.32 | Adys | .. something doesn't make sense but |
| 23:59.40 | Adys | er how am I gonna say that |
| 23:59.45 | Adys | yeah |
| 23:59.56 | Adys | what do you do with the underwear you steal, WobWork ? |
