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| 00:05.00 | Shirik | (Back to yesterday's discussion) there you go Arrowmaster, just encountered a cutscene during which my controller timed out twice. |
| 00:05.16 | Shirik | Assuming a 15 minute timeout, that makes me estimate the length of the cutscene to be about 40 minutes |
| 00:05.48 | Shirik | (and it was right after a fight that lasted 15 minutes too...) |
| 00:06.16 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 00:06.28 | Gnarfoz | what the hell are they showing in a 40 minute cutscene? |
| 00:06.32 | Gnarfoz | also, stopwatch next time |
| 00:06.35 | Shirik | hey hey |
| 00:06.37 | Shirik | I liked it |
| 00:06.49 | foxlit | Zachary: it's a perfect opportunity to do a little investigative work :) |
| 00:07.22 | Cide | yesterday's discussion is days old |
| 00:09.25 | foxlit | I believe we returned to a yesterday's discussion, however. |
| 00:09.30 | foxlit | That'd make that off-off-topic. |
| 00:09.54 | Cruciformer | good evening everyone |
| 00:10.08 | Shirik | Gnarfoz: Youtube confirms that it is at least 30 minutes. I have not yet been able to find the entire cutscene (it is split across several posts) |
| 00:11.08 | Cruciformer | Q: the function GetRealNumRaidMembers() returns the number of people in the "real" raid, if you happen to be in one and a battle ground. Is there a way I can get the "real" (i.e no-battleground) raid members? i.e a "real" equivalent of GetRaidRosterInfo()? |
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| 00:12.45 | Shirik | lua> mins = 9 + 10 + 5 + 8; secs = 44 + 54 + 34 + 12; mins = mins + (secs / 60) % 1; secs = secs % 60; print(mins + ":" + secs); |
| 00:12.45 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a string value |
| 00:12.52 | Shirik | lua> mins = 9 + 10 + 5 + 8; secs = 44 + 54 + 34 + 12; mins = mins + (secs / 60) % 1; secs = secs % 60; print(mins .. ":" .. secs); |
| 00:12.52 | lua_bot | Shirik: 32.4:24 |
| 00:12.57 | Shirik | wut |
| 00:13.00 | Shirik | well something like that |
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| 00:13.23 | Shirik | lua> mins = 9 + 10 + 5 + 8; secs = 44 + 54 + 34 + 12; mins = mins + math.floor(secs / 60); secs = secs % 60; print(mins .. ":" .. secs); |
| 00:13.23 | lua_bot | Shirik: 34:24 |
| 00:13.29 | klip | hm, is there any better way to create a canvas then making a 2D array of textures? |
| 00:14.08 | Wobin | a waterproofed material stretched over a wooden frame? |
| 00:14.17 | Cruciformer | klip: tile a texture? |
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| 00:15.37 | klip | well, I have no other idea :) |
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| 00:44.49 | Cloudwolf | Eather no one has anything that needs to be added to my addon or any glitches along with maybe no one likes it lol out of 99 dl's 0 comment :P oh well XD |
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| 00:57.18 | Cloudwolf | its quiet too quiet... |
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| 01:14.25 | Exmortem | I deleted MoveIt from my addons folder, I deleted all the savedvariables from the WTF folder and when I launch the game i'm still getting a UI error from it, any ideas? :/ |
| 01:14.42 | Cloudwolf | restart yoru computer? |
| 01:14.46 | Cloudwolf | also are you on vista? |
| 01:14.51 | Exmortem | Yeah, i'm on Vista. |
| 01:14.59 | Cloudwolf | you deleted them fromt he proper location? |
| 01:15.05 | Exmortem | Yep. |
| 01:15.58 | Cloudwolf | the like c:/games/wow/interface/addons? |
| 01:16.44 | Exmortem | Yea, and also the MoveIt files from the SavedVariables folder. |
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| 01:29.16 | Cloudwolf | exmortem i can only think of a comp restart |
| 01:29.24 | Cloudwolf | and giving us the exact error |
| 01:30.03 | Cloudwolf | or me since i seem to be the only one tlaking... |
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| 01:38.01 | Dagmar | A restart won't do anything |
| 01:38.09 | Dagmar | Agent Ransack |
| 01:38.11 | Dagmar | It'll help |
| 01:38.24 | Cloudwolf | welcome to the realm of hte living |
| 01:38.30 | Dagmar | There's definitely another copy of that thing's files lurking about |
| 01:38.45 | Dagmar | AgentRansack is a bit easier to deal with (and a lot faster) than Windows' search |
| 01:38.49 | Exmortem | Hm, looking deeper.. a search didn't yield anything. |
| 01:38.53 | Exmortem | Cool. |
| 01:39.11 | Dagmar | afaik the SavedVariables aren't loaded unless and addon with that name is present |
| 01:39.34 | Dagmar | ...but frankly, just making sure the broken addon is disabled in the addons list from the charselect screen should do it |
| 01:39.51 | Exmortem | it's not even on the addons list. ;/ |
| 01:40.12 | Dagmar | Might be time to look at the error message again then |
| 01:40.24 | Dagmar | ...or nuke the savedvariables for the addon whose panels are not broke |
| 01:40.40 | Dagmar | Well, maybe not nuke but nudge aside with a quick renaming |
| 01:40.43 | Exmortem | Message: ..\AddOns\MoveIt\MoveIt.lua line 726: |
| 01:40.44 | Exmortem | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:41.00 | Dagmar | Well, that would be a for sure sign it's loading |
| 01:41.14 | Dagmar | Tell the OS to cough up a list of *every* file with the name MoveIt.lua |
| 01:41.56 | Dagmar | Vista makes like fun with the locations of the addons directory having changed |
| 01:42.03 | Dagmar | s/like/life/; |
| 01:43.29 | Cloudwolf | purl is stil dead D: |
| 01:43.43 | ScytheBlade1 | nope |
| 01:43.50 | cog|away | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/164432/what-real-life-bad-habits-has-programming-given-you/223256#223256 |
| 01:43.51 | ScytheBlade1 | s/nope/nope, purl is alive/ |
| 01:45.12 | End | ~hi |
| 01:45.13 | purl | hello, end |
| 01:45.22 | Dagmar | I close things after I open them |
| 01:45.22 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: SO will be the end of you |
| 01:45.32 | cogwheel | ScytheBlade1: i'm getting that impression... |
| 01:45.44 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: as a side note, the hyperliteral comment right below that is me |
| 01:45.49 | Dagmar | Geez. Slashdot really needs to start letting us audit editors |
| 01:45.57 | Dagmar | "Attractive Women Make Men Temporarily Stupid" |
| 01:46.02 | Dagmar | Who is that news to, exactly? |
| 01:46.32 | cogwheel | Statisticians? |
| 01:46.58 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19717642728&sid=1&pageNo=11#202 |
| 01:46.58 | cogwheel | (huh... that works on a meta-level too) |
| 01:47.00 | ScytheBlade1 | "I've got caught out teaching my kids the three primary colours are Red, Green and Blue... |
| 01:47.08 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ also something I'll be doing |
| 01:47.14 | cogwheel | that would be me if i ever wanted kids :P |
| 01:47.57 | Dagmar | OMG I love that reviw |
| 01:47.58 | cogwheel | actually, I'd start off with the spectrum. RGB can never cover the entire range of colors we perceive |
| 01:48.01 | cogwheel | :P |
| 01:48.07 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:48.10 | Dagmar | That employee should be given a positive write-up |
| 01:49.02 | cogwheel | wishes we had spectral display technology |
| 01:49.30 | Dagmar | I'll settle for *lightweight* HMDs for AR apps |
| 01:50.40 | cogwheel | the thing that bugs me the most is the way blacklights and their effects are captured on film/ccd |
| 01:51.02 | cogwheel | monochromatic purple looks bright blue |
| 01:51.28 | cogwheel | and don't EVEN get me started on cyan ... |
| 01:51.29 | cogwheel | >< |
| 01:51.55 | cogwheel | (sorry... went through a couple phases where I was obsessed with vision/optics/color theory) |
| 01:52.02 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 01:52.17 | Dagmar | You and hte people at ROck City |
| 01:52.36 | Dagmar | They just gave up takin' pictures of all those gnomes |
| 01:54.58 | Cloudwolf | When I'm reading a text book I get very frustrated when I can't Ctrl-F and just search for what I'm looking for. i agree with this one |
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| 01:56.15 | Dagmar | There's a not-so-old saying that "You can't grep dead trees." |
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| 02:07.44 | bleeter | Dagmar: nice |
| 02:08.40 | bleeter | scrolls down |
| 02:09.41 | Dagmar | Once you've bought a few O'Reilly bookshelf CDs, you really start to see the wisdom in that |
| 02:12.33 | cogwheel | misses his wife working at O'Reilly |
| 02:12.46 | cogwheel | I got all the free books I wanted :'( |
| 02:16.05 | cogwheel | I had the opportunity to go to foo camp '05, but I decided to play WoW instead <.< |
| 02:16.27 | Dagmar | Ooh |
| 02:16.35 | Dagmar | Dangit and I still can't rmemeber it |
| 02:17.00 | Dagmar | There's a problem hunters run into with Steady Shot managing to pick the next target on it's own (which is so exciting!) |
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| 02:23.37 | bleeter | I got the O'Reilly CDs when they came out 'coz it was easier to cart them 'round the planet than the books |
| 02:23.45 | bleeter | purchased O'Reilly before CDs, iirc |
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| 02:39.35 | Dagmar | Hah. |
| 02:40.10 | Dagmar | Either someone got really bored and creative with their delusions, or the guy who invented Deathwing posted to the forums contemplating whether or not he should buy the figurine when it comes out |
| 02:40.26 | kd3 | ! |
| 02:40.37 | Dagmar | I'd absolutely buy that and keep it around to show my grandkids |
| 02:41.25 | kd3 | link? |
| 02:41.39 | Dagmar | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19717693375&postId=197158595565&sid=1#3 |
| 02:41.52 | Dagmar | <-- eshk |
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| 02:45.39 | Dagmar | Damnit. |
| 02:46.12 | Dagmar | SOmeone asked about the actual airspeed of the gryphons and I got beaten to the punch asking if it was a european or african gryphon they were talking about. |
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| 02:51.47 | Duman | heh |
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| 02:52.15 | Cairenn | runs around the room screaming incoherently, arms flailing in the air, bumping into the walls every now and then, eyes wide and frantic, "Ahhhhhhh! No Internet! The world is ending! No phone! No TV! Help! Help! No Internet!!1!!!eleven!! Ahhhhhh!" |
| 02:52.18 | Cairenn | collapses in a corner, sobbing, driven half mad by the strain caused from deprivation |
| 02:52.42 | batrick | Cairenn is now one with the internet, apparently. |
| 02:52.43 | Cairenn | oh, wait! It's back! |
| 02:52.44 | Cairenn | YAY |
| 02:53.07 | Shirik | hm |
| 02:53.10 | Shirik | thunderstorm this late at night |
| 02:53.14 | Shirik | very strange |
| 02:53.21 | Duman | hehe |
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| 03:04.01 | Wobin | wow, I really like healing in ulduar |
| 03:04.09 | Wobin | u25, I'm hitting 4k hps |
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| 03:14.17 | Gnarfoz | someone else is slacking or you're a class capable of AoE healing on an AoE damage intensive fight ;p |
| 03:14.30 | Gnarfoz | or... you're running with 3-4 healers or something ;p |
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| 03:19.47 | Wobin | shaman |
| 03:20.13 | Wobin | That was just kologarn |
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| 03:35.42 | cogwheel | <3 steak night |
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| 03:37.45 | cogwheel | so moist, so pink, so... ohai Esamynn|Away |
| 03:37.54 | cogwheel | 20:35 < cogwheel> <3 steak night |
| 03:37.54 | cogwheel | 20:36 -!- Esamynn|Away [n=nnnnchat@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Esamynn] has joined #WoWUIDev |
| 03:37.58 | cogwheel | btw |
| 03:43.35 | AnduinLothar | I Win: http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/6443/systemmemory.jpg |
| 03:44.07 | cogwheel | didn't ScytheBlade1 beat you? ;P |
| 03:44.38 | AnduinLothar | beat me? |
| 03:44.41 | cogwheel | i recently bumped against my 6gb... stupid vms |
| 03:44.47 | cogwheel | 8gb ram? |
| 03:44.55 | AnduinLothar | 8gb ram on a 32-bit system :P |
| 03:45.00 | cogwheel | oh lol |
| 03:45.07 | cogwheel | PAE? |
| 03:45.08 | AnduinLothar | i hacked the kernel |
| 03:45.11 | AnduinLothar | yeah |
| 03:46.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I've got 6GB |
| 03:46.18 | AnduinLothar | When I doubled my ram Vista started only reading the first 2gb stick |
| 03:46.26 | ScytheBlade1 | But that is a tricky hack |
| 03:46.52 | AnduinLothar | instead of the 3.5 or whatever was availible when i had 2x 1gb and 4x 512mb |
| 03:47.31 | AnduinLothar | I'm planning on upgrading to win7 64x evntually, but i was dying with only 2gb ram |
| 03:47.53 | cogwheel | eew yeah... |
| 03:47.58 | cogwheel | did you have readyboost? |
| 03:48.05 | AnduinLothar | never heard of it |
| 03:48.29 | cogwheel | you plug in a thumb drive and it acts as a cache. makes a lot of things run more smoothly |
| 03:48.38 | AnduinLothar | meh |
| 03:48.50 | AnduinLothar | i do remember hearing about that concept |
| 03:48.50 | ScytheBlade1 | cogwheel: AnduinLothar's displays make me look like I'm still running at 1024x768, so.. my epeen only extends so far ;) |
| 03:49.26 | AnduinLothar | yeah, that 5.2 from the score is only from the 7200rpm drive im booting from. all the other scores are 5.9 |
| 03:49.43 | AnduinLothar | can't really afford another ssd for my windows boot disk yet |
| 03:50.28 | cogwheel | my uncle has one of those WTFXGA screens that requires dual dvi... but he's only got one hooked up so it's 1/2 resolution >< |
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| 03:56.49 | Wobin | Gnarfoz: top on the healing, and only 30% overheal =) |
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| 04:14.21 | Gnarfoz | Wobin: sounds drood-ish, or just really good sniping ^^ |
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| 04:49.39 | Wobin | Gnarfoz: nah, druids have terrible overheal from hotspam =) |
| 04:49.46 | Wobin | I is a shammy |
| 04:49.55 | Wobin | and -define- heal sniping =) |
| 04:51.33 | cogwheel | "Inside the loop, we print out the number and then we divide it by two, effectively halving it." ... effectively? O.o |
| 04:54.06 | Gnarfoz | lol |
| 04:54.42 | Yssaril | cogwheel: it changes if you use large values of 2 :P |
| 04:56.48 | cogwheel | having had feedback from editors myself, I can honestly say MS's guide for SmallBasic is atrocious (sp?) >< (not to mention one of the first (and repeated) examples of branching is a GoTo... (as if the fact that GoTo is in the language weren't bad enough)) |
| 04:56.48 | batbot | cogwheel, atrocious is correct. |
| 05:00.32 | the-golem | Yssaril: do/did you happen to play Spore? |
| 05:05.45 | the-golem | cogwheel: any form of MS-tainted Basic is .. well, tainted, dirty, gross... |
| 05:05.48 | the-golem | >.< |
| 05:13.30 | Yssaril | the-golem: no/yes :P |
| 05:14.27 | Yssaril | btw is there a way to match the end of a string in lua? |
| 05:14.42 | the-golem | Yssaril: I had a suspicion. Thats a lovely one legged avatar on CurseForge, btw :-) |
| 05:14.53 | Yssaril | the-golem: hehe |
| 05:14.56 | the-golem | Yssaril: I believe there is, though offhand i dont remember it |
| 05:15.13 | Arrowmaster | $ |
| 05:15.25 | Arrowmaster | same as in a real regexp language |
| 05:17.02 | Yssaril | Arrowmaster: sweet that works perfect |
| 05:17.21 | the-golem | well pffft |
| 05:17.24 | the-golem | Fine then |
| 05:18.49 | the-golem | Yssaril: fwiw-> http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#5.4.1 |
| 05:19.18 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, trolling. wikipedia talk page for the segway: "Hi, is there a heavy-duty-model for carrying an average american (i.e., over 250kg)?" |
| 05:19.47 | the-golem | hogwash |
| 05:20.00 | Yssaril | the-golem: had that open never noticed that part about beginning and end anchoring though |
| 05:20.02 | the-golem | avg americans are weighed in pounds. |
| 05:20.03 | the-golem | :P |
| 05:20.41 | the-golem | Yssaril: yeah, they sorta snuck that in there. Should have been more prominent |
| 05:20.58 | the-golem | imo |
| 05:21.05 | Yssaril | yea |
| 05:21.16 | Yssaril | anyways back to coding |
| 05:21.17 | the-golem | ... |
| 05:21.38 | the-golem | also, an average american does NOT weigh over 550 pounds |
| 05:21.53 | the-golem | lulz |
| 05:21.59 | ScytheBlade1 | that's why I prefixed it with "lol, trolling." |
| 05:22.00 | roastx | they dont? |
| 05:22.02 | the-golem | 250, maybe. |
| 05:22.18 | roastx | the average wow player weighs 800lbs |
| 05:22.37 | the-golem | Well, maybe. Only if the are cousins with Jabba. It could happen |
| 05:22.48 | the-golem | haha |
| 05:22.51 | roastx | ive seen blizzcon pics its true! |
| 05:22.53 | the-golem | Sweet |
| 05:23.04 | the-golem | I'm way below average! Yey meh! |
| 05:23.13 | roastx | grats. |
| 05:23.17 | the-golem | :P |
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| 05:43.37 | bleeter | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19717692073&sid=1 |
| 05:44.02 | bleeter | very interesting question |
| 05:45.10 | bleeter | good ol'something tells me faction change got launched a week or two before it was ready |
| 05:45.17 | bleeter | good ol' blizz, something tells me faction change got launched a week or two before it was ready |
| 05:45.22 | bleeter | curses the splint |
| 05:52.44 | Shirik | nooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 05:52.48 | Shirik | T_T |
| 05:52.50 | Shirik | I had a 966 hit combo |
| 05:52.56 | Shirik | and then I ran out of mana |
| 05:53.02 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:56.55 | tem | what game? |
| 05:57.05 | Shirik | star ocean |
| 05:57.28 | Shirik | I bet there's an achievement at 1000 too |
| 05:57.33 | Shirik | and then it was all like "lolno" |
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| 06:16.13 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: I just managed to get IllegalAddon mentioned in CSF again. I note that the AddonInfo on WoWI only mentions that an illegal addon would be one that enables X-faction comms. It doesn't mention the cases where an addon would be illegal by nature of ingame solicitaion of gold and how that's really between author and blizz and not end user, etc. |
| 06:16.37 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: just thought I'd mention it ;) http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19717563516&sid=1#7 |
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| 06:27.22 | devZero | Adys: you happen to be around? |
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| 07:03.56 | Yssaril | anyone know the path to the raidicons? |
| 07:08.06 | Yssaril | nm found them |
| 07:23.01 | AnduinLothar | when did GetBattlefieldInstanceRunTime() stop working.. |
| 07:25.27 | Wobin | what stats am I looking for for a bear tank? |
| 07:25.37 | Mikk | agi,stam,armor |
| 07:25.38 | Yssaril | dodge and stam i think |
| 07:25.44 | Mikk | not dodge. agi. |
| 07:25.45 | Wobin | str? |
| 07:25.47 | Mikk | not st |
| 07:25.47 | nevcairiel | dodge you get from agi |
| 07:25.55 | Wobin | ap? |
| 07:25.58 | Mikk | not ap |
| 07:25.59 | nevcairiel | from agi |
| 07:26.00 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 07:26.06 | nevcairiel | agi gives you like everything |
| 07:26.15 | AnduinLothar | and stam |
| 07:26.18 | nevcairiel | just combine it with armor and stam, and you#re good |
| 07:26.19 | Wobin | Just trying to pick a quest item |
| 07:26.24 | Mikk | agi gives you dodge, ap, crit. crit is good because it procs the damageshield. |
| 07:26.27 | Wobin | one has str and stam, the other has ap and stam |
| 07:26.41 | Mikk | 1 str = 2 ap |
| 07:26.41 | nevcairiel | go with ap, then |
| 07:26.48 | Mikk | or well not quite true |
| 07:27.00 | Mikk | 1 str > 2 ap |
| 07:27.14 | Yssaril | Mikk: is that true for druids though? |
| 07:27.14 | nevcairiel | didnt they make those talents scale on ap instead of strength with 3.0? |
| 07:27.18 | Mikk | Yssaril: BoK =) |
| 07:27.32 | Wobin | Mikk: I'm only just levelling atm =) |
| 07:27.39 | Yssaril | Mikk: i mean the 1str to 2ap conversion |
| 07:27.54 | nevcairiel | as a thumb rule just remember the 1 str = 2ap then, wobin :) |
| 07:28.00 | nevcairiel | Yssaril, it is |
| 07:28.14 | Yssaril | kk |
| 07:28.16 | Mikk | Unbuffed, yeah, i believe 1 str = 2 ap now |
| 07:28.21 | Mikk | But bok makes it 1 str = 2.2 ap |
| 07:28.39 | AnduinLothar | GetBattlefieldInstanceRunTime() onyl works after a battle now :( |
| 07:29.50 | Wobin | awesome, I'll keep that in mind, thank you =) |
| 07:33.49 | Yssaril | ~api GetBattlefieldInstanceRunTime() |
| 07:33.50 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetBattlefieldInstanceRunTime() |
| 07:35.49 | Gnarfoz | !api > ~api :o |
| 07:35.50 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for '> ~api :o'. |
| 07:39.50 | Yssaril | what do you guys think? http://i27.tinypic.com/547mly.jpg working on an instance map mod that will pull loot from libPeriodicTable so far i have the frame where i can pull up all the instances and maps and am working on marking the boss locations when you mouseover the skill it gets twice as big (also the skull is the model from the Ghostly Skull http://www.wowhead.com/?item=39973 so its animated |
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| 07:40.39 | Lukian | Yssaril, that looks nice! (Mapster support?) |
| 07:41.47 | Yssaril | Lukian: just standalone atm was thinking about it though |
| 07:42.27 | Yssaril | and still need to do alot of things before even thinking about that |
| 07:42.34 | Lukian | ^_^ |
| 07:43.30 | Yssaril | btw whats that new BG called? |
| 07:44.12 | Mikk | Yssaril: I doubt you'd even need to do ANYTHING to "support Mapster" |
| 07:44.17 | Mikk | It should just work out of the box |
| 07:44.42 | Mikk | Or hm if you're fiddling with the dropdowns ....... |
| 07:44.45 | Yssaril | Mikk: atm it doesnt use the blizzard world map |
| 07:44.49 | Mikk | oh |
| 07:44.52 | Mikk | shrugs |
| 07:45.55 | Yssaril | mapster adds support to view the instance map even when your not in it so i would have to hook that + support the blizzard map |
| 07:47.09 | devZero | meh, sometimes I hate my job... |
| 07:47.50 | devZero | too much guessing involved w/ blizzard data collection and re-assembly |
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| 08:01.50 | Yssaril | anyone know if blizzard is adding instance maps to the old instances next expansion? also is there a onyxia instance map? |
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| 08:09.02 | Dagmar | They have a map for the Trial of Champions. I suspect that means they're probably making maps for everywhere from now on. |
| 08:09.24 | Dagmar | How someone could get lost and have to look at a map in a round room about 50 yards across, I've no idea |
| 08:10.07 | haste | there's a floor under the round room afaik |
| 08:13.54 | Arrowmaster | you know i thought i was going crazy at first, i keep going to right click something in linux to bring up a menu and im finding that another right click will execute whatever is selected in that menu, its causing me to constantly be triggering the top menu actions in things |
| 08:14.11 | Arrowmaster | but i switched over to my windows xp computer via RDP and it does the same thing there |
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| 08:16.23 | Arrowmaster | and its not just a 2nd right click doing it, fucking right click open menu and releasing the mouse button triggers the action under the pointer, which is why i keep fucking triggering the top damn menu items |
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| 09:20.26 | [GM]Kenuvis | Hello, little question. (syntax) How can i create a timer? A function that called every second, until I stop the timer. |
| 09:22.01 | Arrowmaster | you create a frame, give the frame an OnUpdate handler, and check the time in that onupdate handler until its been one second or longer since it last ran, then do your code |
| 09:22.06 | Arrowmaster | or you use a library |
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| 09:22.54 | Kenuvis | the onupdate event were called nonstop ? |
| 09:23.05 | Arrowmaster | yes, on every frame draw |
| 09:23.20 | Kenuvis | oh, ok |
| 09:24.15 | Mikk | Kenuvis: I recommend AceTimer-3.0. It's quite a lot more efficient in the long run over having OnUpdate handlers in every damn addon in the whole world. |
| 09:24.22 | Mikk | (It doesn't require anything else Ace.) |
| 09:24.45 | Arrowmaster | well it requires LibStub and CallbackHandler-1.0 |
| 09:24.53 | Arrowmaster | but lots of things require those |
| 09:25.29 | Kenuvis | can you give me a little example working with it ? |
| 09:26.34 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowace.com/addons/ace3/pages/api/ace-timer-3-0/ |
| 09:27.07 | Mikk | Arrowmaster: um no not callbackhandler |
| 09:27.15 | Mikk | just libstub |
| 09:27.39 | Arrowmaster | oh my bad, its got its own version of callbackhander hardcoded in it |
| 09:27.48 | Mikk | i have a nifty plan to rip that out btw |
| 09:28.14 | Mikk | keep state during looping |
| 09:28.23 | Mikk | so that if something errors, we can continue past the error on next onupdate |
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| 10:17.26 | Adys | Cide |
| 10:17.27 | Adys | where is Cide |
| 10:17.29 | Adys | dammit |
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| 10:54.41 | Cruciformer | 'lo all |
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| 11:02.04 | Cruciformer | anyone on that can approve a file on curse? |
| 11:02.15 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 11:02.32 | Cruciformer | nevcairiel: many thanks ... project "konfersk" |
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| 11:03.34 | Cruciformer | or let me know if you need other info to point to it |
| 11:04.29 | nevcairiel | done |
| 11:04.40 | Cruciformer | very much obliged sir, thank you. |
| 11:05.36 | Cruciformer | btw nev I had a question yesterday that you may perhaps know the answer to, considering your experience. |
| 11:05.52 | Cruciformer | Q: the function GetRealNumRaidMembers() returns the number of people in the "real" raid, if you happen to be in one and a battle ground. Is there a way I can get the "real" (i.e no-battleground) raid members? i.e a "real" equivalent of GetRaidRosterInfo()? |
| 11:06.18 | nevcairiel | I dont think that info is available at the time |
| 11:07.05 | Cruciformer | k thats what I was afraid of. I was hoping perhaps there was some extra arg I could pass to GRRI or something like that. |
| 11:07.13 | Cruciformer | It would be useful though. |
| 11:07.45 | nevcairiel | !api real |
| 11:07.45 | lua_bot | Found 6 possible results for 'real': GetRealmName, IsRealPartyLeader, GetRealZoneText, GetRealNumPartyMembers, IsRealRaidLeader, GetRealNumRaidMembers |
| 11:08.25 | foxlit | So what's the difference between GetRealNumRaidMembers and GetNumRaidMembers? |
| 11:08.25 | nevcairiel | In a BG, GetNumRaidMembers returns the number if people in the BG raid |
| 11:08.30 | Cruciformer | foxlit: If you were in a normal raid, like say setting up for an Ulduar run, and then you join a BG |
| 11:08.34 | nevcairiel | GetRealNumRaidMembers of any raid you were in before the BG |
| 11:08.48 | Cruciformer | The Real version will return the riders in teh original raid, the one without the Real will return the number in the BG raid. |
| 11:08.59 | foxlit | ah, nevermind. |
| 11:09.14 | foxlit | I was expecting a noun, but got none :( |
| 11:09.29 | foxlit | "Is there a way I can get the "real" (i.e no-battleground) raid members?" << So I inserted "number". |
| 11:09.38 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 11:09.50 | foxlit | Which made the question somewhat... silly. |
| 11:11.19 | Cruciformer | ah goodness theres nothing like that first cup o coffee in the morning |
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| 11:14.58 | Cruciformer | nevcairiel: whats the lag time between approval and showing up on teh download page? 15 mins or so? |
| 11:15.13 | Cruciformer | I have a guildie wanting to upgrade and will only use curse client. |
| 11:16.50 | Cruciformer | oh and in other news I discovered how evil wowmatrix is the other day. some kid was using it and it kept on clearing my mod's savedvariables file for some reason. |
| 11:17.20 | Cruciformer | no idea why it would do that but he insisted it was my mods fault it was deleting its own savedvariables file. |
| 11:18.35 | industrial | ... |
| 11:18.45 | cbreak | Addons can not delete anything |
| 11:18.53 | Cruciformer | *I* know that |
| 11:19.06 | nevcairiel | well they can clear it |
| 11:19.14 | Cruciformer | try explain that to a dumb user who just spent 4 hours setting shit up, only to have it all removed when he logged in the next day. |
| 11:19.15 | cbreak | just the contents, not the file itself |
| 11:20.05 | nevcairiel | On another note, does anyone know if i can disable the dragging of the channel and userlist in X-Chat? I accidentally grab it with my mouse all the time <.< |
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| 11:31.56 | airtonix | nevcairiel, are you in windows, mac or linux? and if yo uare using linux are you using compiz? |
| 11:32.11 | nevcairiel | i'm on linux, but no compiz |
| 11:32.16 | airtonix | because i can drag the user list but its only a texture that i'm dragging around |
| 11:32.29 | nevcairiel | yea, its texture, but i want it to stop |
| 11:32.34 | nevcairiel | its annoying me |
| 11:32.38 | airtonix | kde possibly? |
| 11:32.42 | nevcairiel | no |
| 11:32.43 | nevcairiel | xfce |
| 11:32.44 | airtonix | ok |
| 11:32.55 | airtonix | ah is xfce compositing turned on? |
| 11:32.59 | nevcairiel | no |
| 11:33.03 | nevcairiel | it caused video issues |
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| 11:33.14 | airtonix | ok i think then that its a nuance of gtk |
| 11:33.52 | airtonix | i've never noticed that it does this before, now that i do...i can't see the reason behind it |
| 11:34.05 | nevcairiel | you can drag it to the other side of the screen |
| 11:34.08 | nevcairiel | and it'll stay there |
| 11:34.33 | airtonix | as in the ege of your screen? |
| 11:34.38 | airtonix | edge* |
| 11:34.43 | nevcairiel | other side of the xchat window |
| 11:34.48 | airtonix | ohright |
| 11:35.10 | airtonix | its not doing that for me though, maybe because ii'm in kde and using compiz |
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| 11:40.27 | airtonix | nevcairiel, if your're willing to instal kdelibs you can try out konversation. |
| 11:40.44 | nevcairiel | nah, do not want kde libs :P |
| 11:40.47 | airtonix | seems to provide same set of features as xchat but doesn't have that annoying aspect |
| 11:41.00 | nevcairiel | i already have qt for some stuff, don't want core kde libs as well |
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| 11:50.53 | Adys | man |
| 11:50.57 | Adys | PIL is terrible =/ |
| 11:51.02 | Adys | This is the PIL handbook, last updated May 6, 2005. |
| 11:51.12 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_090509_144853.jpg |
| 11:51.43 | Adys | whats that mikma ? |
| 11:52.30 | mikma | it's my Improved LFG -addon |
| 11:52.48 | mikma | jnwhiteh / his friend was too lazy to release theirs |
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| 12:10.40 | Slafsinator | mikma: noooooo, with crap like that people can see through my fake achievements! :( |
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| 12:12.04 | jnwhiteh | then tell the API to not supply it :P |
| 12:13.40 | yaxxbax | i have a really good idea for a mod if anyone is interested. its never been done before. would require someone to code the lua and me to code a bit of c# and php |
| 12:15.58 | jnwhiteh | ok. |
| 12:16.24 | cbreak | addons can't contain any code other than lua |
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| 12:29.28 | Lukian | mikma, f'ing awesome addon. |
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| 12:29.49 | mikma | lukian: blame jnwhiteh |
| 12:30.07 | Lukian | :D |
| 12:34.36 | Lukian | oh hi criten |
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| 12:46.49 | Adys | http://www.pythonware.com/library/pil/handbook/decoder.htm |
| 12:46.50 | Adys | YES YES YES |
| 12:48.15 | Adys | oh man |
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| 12:58.04 | zenzelezz | hey Amazon... if you're going to recommend a book, can't you at least recommend the first in the series, not the 7th? |
| 12:58.42 | Coren{de} | is there any known way to avoid the taint of UIDROPDOWNMENU_MENU_LEVEL from early UIDropDownMenu_Initialize spreading into the unit menus? it seems that after being blocked on one unitid type, all other focus functions are fine, but I'd like to avoid the issue altogether... |
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| 13:17.45 | zenzelezz | http://tiltedtwister.com/sudokusolver.html |
| 13:19.36 | industrial | hee hee cute :) |
| 13:26.24 | Shirik | 45 minute boss fight holy crap |
| 13:26.32 | zenzelezz | ..? |
| 13:26.42 | nevcairiel | And i though illidan with his 20 minutes was long |
| 13:26.47 | Shirik | think a 45 minute game of soul calibur |
| 13:26.57 | Shirik | one fight |
| 13:26.58 | zenzelezz | which boss is this? |
| 13:27.06 | Shirik | final boss in star ocean |
| 13:27.22 | Shirik | thank god I got it right the first time, too |
| 13:27.31 | Shirik | I was not looking forward to doing that again |
| 13:27.54 | Coren{de} | mkay, I'm at a loss. How can unit menu -> Focus() be blocked on first try and then work (same unit, doing nothing between the two attempts) |
| 13:54.13 | Adys | zenzelezz: awesome |
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| 14:14.15 | Wobin | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SqhhJb_P3Kk/Sp_mS2Kt5uI/AAAAAAAAI9Y/5u6Hvd_sz0g/s1600-h/base+of+skull.jpg |
| 14:14.26 | Wobin | -weird- perspective |
| 14:14.45 | nevcairiel | it is |
| 14:16.17 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np5r-gYso5w&feature=player_embedded |
| 14:18.11 | nevcairiel | it probably would've been funnier if i understood *anything* |
| 14:18.33 | Wobin | although |
| 14:18.43 | Wobin | I -want- that zipcord to the ceiling chair |
| 14:18.47 | nevcairiel | ha |
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| 14:26.19 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk: "Nothing gets passed you!"? |
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| 14:26.31 | Wobin | terrible facebook quiz grammar is terrible =P |
| 14:26.38 | Wobin | oh wait |
| 14:26.43 | Wobin | wrong karen =P |
| 14:26.56 | nevcairiel | s/quiz grammar// |
| 14:29.07 | Wobin | http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SqhhJb_P3Kk/Sp6hM6hhPVI/AAAAAAAAI7Y/lQMfCxEYhv4/s1600-h/red-eyed+tree+frog+eye.jpg |
| 14:29.09 | Wobin | creeeeepy |
| 14:33.14 | industrial | wow nice |
| 14:33.16 | industrial | nature++ |
| 14:35.09 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icR3LtEMvZI&feature=player_embedded |
| 14:35.16 | Wobin | APB is kinda cool |
| 14:36.37 | Wobin | some well thought out customisation methods |
| 14:39.30 | Wobin | it's kinda terrible though |
| 14:39.40 | Wobin | I can see people spending more time on the creation than the game itself =P |
| 14:41.20 | roasticle__ | right now with how i play wow im paying $15/mth for chat |
| 14:41.26 | roasticle__ | fancy graphical chat |
| 14:42.30 | nevcairiel | I pay wow to login once a month and check some addon stuff |
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| 15:03.09 | industrial | I actively play it an regem my MM hunter to ArP and thne find out they are nerfing the stat |
| 15:03.13 | industrial | ftw! |
| 15:03.39 | Stanzilla | pwnd |
| 15:04.23 | industrial | its still a good stat tho |
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| 15:07.57 | Wobin | It's a good stat |
| 15:08.01 | Wobin | until they nerf it =) |
| 15:08.04 | Wobin | which may not be soon |
| 15:08.48 | Kazie | Is there something like OnSizeChanged for Alpha or opacity= |
| 15:08.48 | Kazie | ?* |
| 15:08.50 | cbreak | who changes the alpha? |
| 15:09.03 | cbreak | make it call something. |
| 15:10.13 | Kazie | Well i'm trying to make that KgPanels OnSizeChange script into a script adapting to the alpha of a target frame instead of size. |
| 15:10.25 | Kazie | But i have no idea what function og script to use :) |
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| 15:22.21 | foxlit | http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/prison-10.jpg |
| 15:22.34 | foxlit | pie chart hits you for 9001 logical damage. |
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| 15:57.58 | Codayus | That's...a very bad pie chart. |
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| 15:58.46 | Codayus | Could be worse, I guess, if it was intended to add up to 100% but didn't. Whereas once you get over the whole "wtf this isn't a pie chart" thing, it's pretty clear what the graph is trying to convey. |
| 15:59.36 | Beutju | yshopmenu |
| 16:00.29 | Beutju | ups sry |
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| 16:18.12 | Qzot | Heyo. |
| 16:19.14 | Lopeppeppy | hi hi |
| 16:20.53 | Qzot | http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5j6KS46abrFjwE7YYu7yASsgfWhKQ |
| 16:21.38 | Qzot | "Neil Armstrong says moon landing was faked!" "Umm, err, wait!" |
| 16:23.36 | Lopeppeppy | Oh dear oh dear. *laugh* |
| 16:27.48 | airtonix | <picture of the moon surface> brix...you will. |
| 16:28.02 | airtonix | anon1: flag is missing a finger |
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| 16:46.48 | mikma | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/09/balls_of_steel_f18_hornet_buzz.php |
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| 17:28.43 | Kazie | Does wow work with Open Type Fonts? .. or only True Type Fonts?.. |
| 17:28.55 | Kazie | through addons like SharedMedia |
| 17:29.17 | Lopeppeppy | I seem to remember only ttf... but go ahead and experiment. :) |
| 17:30.14 | Kazie | I am .. but i wouldn't do it if you knew if it would break some addons or game stuff or whatever is possible hehe :P |
| 17:30.52 | Lopeppeppy | You're not likely to "break" anything, your fonts just won't render. Check the directions for the font addons like ClearFont and Fontain, perhaps they have an answer. |
| 17:31.42 | Kazie | already on the loading screen.. so i might as well just try :) |
| 17:32.18 | Kazie | Yup.. it won't render/change the font when choosing an Open Type.. only True Types. |
| 17:32.30 | Lopeppeppy | There's yer answer then, short and simple experiment. |
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| 17:34.30 | Kazie | Right on ;b |
| 17:34.43 | Cloudwolf | pax has 1000 more passes for sunday and today heh |
| 17:38.38 | mikma | k-pax |
| 17:39.12 | Lopeppeppy | I love Kevin Spacey. Usual Suspects is a top 10 favorite. |
| 17:40.07 | AnduinLothar | ^^ |
| 17:40.12 | AnduinLothar | great movie |
| 17:40.34 | Lopeppeppy | Same reason I loved Fight Club, although it wasn't quite as good. |
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| 18:18.30 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy: you loved Fight Club because of Kevin Spacey? |
| 18:19.52 | Lopeppeppy | No, but for some of the similarities between it and Usual Suspects. |
| 18:20.21 | foxlit | (a) Wilfred Fizzlebang (b) Gnome Warlock. |
| 18:20.25 | foxlit | What could possibly go wrong? |
| 18:20.31 | Lopeppeppy | The Bank Job had a similar flavor, and I loved Jodi Foster in that. |
| 18:23.08 | Kazie | Anyone who know how to make MSBT count the number of seredipity your priest has? instead of just sayin "Serendipity" on every count. |
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| 18:29.23 | zenzelezz | the army had sent some people to town today to try to get people interested in signing up. There's something quite exhilarating about seeing a brunette with a short pony tail dressed in uniform, "war paint" on her face, wielding a big rifle |
| 18:30.08 | Lopeppeppy | Very rawr, zenzelezz. |
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| 18:33.56 | zenzelezz | on a different note, the girl I visited in Australia gave me a most peculiar look when I declared the Tiger tank the most sexy tank |
| 18:35.14 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, I prefer armored troop transports, but if you like tanks, that's your gig. |
| 18:35.30 | zenzelezz | I was thinking solely about tanks |
| 18:35.53 | zenzelezz | APCs are generally pretty similar-looking, not sure I could pick a sexiest one among those |
| 18:37.40 | Lopeppeppy | why choose, all are sexy. |
| 18:37.52 | zenzelezz | there's always an ugly cousin |
| 18:40.11 | Dagmar | vncviewer.jar |
| 18:40.23 | Dagmar | It'll protect you |
| 18:41.21 | zenzelezz | from what? |
| 18:41.41 | industrial | Fisker |
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| 18:41.47 | Dagmar | That'll work |
| 18:42.32 | Dagmar | I mean, call me crazy, but I was under the impression that civilians generally weren't expected to think they need to worry about tanks. |
| 18:43.02 | zenzelezz | I'm not sure what you're getting at |
| 18:43.52 | Lopeppeppy | I'm not worried, I admire them. |
| 18:45.00 | Dagmar | I prefer to avoid anything that is related to large-scale slaughter |
| 18:45.14 | Dagmar | If you can't kill someone for personal reasons, you shoudln't be killin' 'em. |
| 18:45.25 | zenzelezz | tanks aren't involved in large-scale slaughter, they're only for localized combat |
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| 18:45.48 | Lopeppeppy | Should I never admire the Mona Lisa either? |
| 18:45.53 | Dagmar | I've never heard of tanks being used to stop "one or two guys" |
| 18:46.33 | zenzelezz | tanks are used to intimidate soldiers and to stop armored vehicles; soldiers deal with soldiers |
| 18:47.21 | zenzelezz | while I respect your opinion, neither me nor peppy said anything about the rights or wrongs of warfare; you started that trail of thought |
| 18:49.21 | cogwheel | So, how 'bout them <insert local sport team>s? |
| 18:49.41 | zenzelezz | they're having a horrible season finish :-( |
| 18:49.52 | Lopeppeppy | Bills got their arses handed to them in the last pre-season game, it was hideous to listen to |
| 18:50.13 | cogwheel | My family are 49ers fans. 'nuff said imo |
| 18:50.38 | cogwheel | (at least if you follow american football) |
| 18:51.10 | Lopeppeppy | I'm more of a Pats fan, but the Bills are local and are what's on the radio, so I listen to what I can get. |
| 18:51.38 | zenzelezz | don't you get bored sitting around staring at the radio? |
| 18:52.58 | Lopeppeppy | I gave away my tv and I don't have cable. I listen to the radio while I'm quilting. |
| 18:53.17 | cogwheel | i get more bored at the games... at least there's announcers and commercials on the radio to tease my limited attention span... |
| 18:53.18 | zenzelezz | gave away? |
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| 18:53.42 | zenzelezz | either way, did you both miss my joke, or was it just that bad? |
| 18:53.56 | Lopeppeppy | Gave away, buh bye. :) |
| 18:54.03 | Lopeppeppy | I thought it was a serious question. :) |
| 18:54.12 | zenzelezz | O_o |
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| 19:04.28 | cbreak | dedicated channels are so 20th century |
| 19:04.39 | cbreak | nowadays we use packet based networks for everything |
| 19:05.40 | Sesshu | ~hi |
| 19:05.40 | purl | hello, sesshu |
| 19:10.02 | Cloudwolf | lua> tonumber(ff,16) |
| 19:10.03 | lua_bot | Cloudwolf: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'tonumber' (string expected, got nil) |
| 19:10.08 | Cloudwolf | lua> tonumber("ff",16) |
| 19:10.08 | lua_bot | Cloudwolf: 255 |
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| 19:30.43 | Silversage | Query: When you guys develop addons, what do you do to avoid having to /reloadui a million times? |
| 19:30.55 | Cloudwolf | uh |
| 19:31.01 | Cloudwolf | reloadui a million times |
| 19:31.09 | Cloudwolf | just make a levle 1 |
| 19:31.12 | Cloudwolf | and only have hte adodn |
| 19:31.31 | Cloudwolf | your testing |
| 19:31.39 | Cloudwolf | running sorry in combat |
| 19:31.57 | Silversage | How does running sorry in combat help? |
| 19:32.15 | Cloudwolf | ... |
| 19:32.18 | Lopeppeppy | His sentences are short because he's in combat. |
| 19:32.18 | Cloudwolf | no im in wow in combat |
| 19:32.20 | Cloudwolf | cant talk atm |
| 19:32.52 | mikma | haha |
| 19:32.56 | mikma | that's funny |
| 19:34.07 | Cloudwolf | Silversage to reduce load times i create a level 1 testing alt |
| 19:34.11 | cbreak | I write the addon first, and only reload when I think it'll work |
| 19:34.13 | Cloudwolf | and only enable the addons yoru testing |
| 19:34.15 | Cloudwolf | on him |
| 19:34.22 | Cloudwolf | keep the large database addons OFF of him for load times |
| 19:34.25 | cbreak | I have an alt near a target dummy only with a few dev addons and the one I debug |
| 19:34.28 | Cloudwolf | makes hte load time only like 5 seconds |
| 19:34.44 | Silversage | Hmm. Not a bad idea. |
| 19:35.01 | Silversage | Except I'm testing things that depend on Auctioneer. :P Bleah. |
| 19:35.21 | Dagmar | Then disable everything but that |
| 19:36.47 | Silversage | Yeah. Makes sense. |
| 19:37.03 | Silversage | No one's using any non-wow test frameworks? |
| 19:37.16 | nevcairiel | Sure, for simple tasks. |
| 19:37.23 | nevcairiel | But there is nothing that can emulate wow |
| 19:37.33 | nevcairiel | The best emulator is your brain, and understanding of your code |
| 19:37.55 | nevcairiel | so you can cut-down on reloads, and write longer segments in one go |
| 19:38.03 | Cloudwolf | btw make sure you allways end your functions XD |
| 19:38.52 | Silversage | I've gotten really addicted to short test-driven cycles, but those aren't really feasible when doing exploratory type stuff. |
| 19:39.10 | Cloudwolf | can't tell you how mad i get when a fix is as simple as 1 spelling error or 1 close parenthesis or an end |
| 19:39.37 | cbreak | trial&error programming? :( |
| 19:39.47 | nevcairiel | For that you could use an editor that can interface with a Lua interpreter |
| 19:39.56 | nevcairiel | and spot syntax errors directly |
| 19:39.58 | cbreak | I like writing my addons feature by feature |
| 19:40.06 | Cloudwolf | heh i use notepad++ for my coding >.> |
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| 19:40.49 | Silversage | cbreak: I'm with you for Java dev, and other similar languages. |
| 19:41.29 | Silversage | At one point, I would always pump all my code through a lua interpreter before the /reloadui. Would fail miserably, of course, but at least it caught basic syntax errors. |
| 19:41.49 | cbreak | when I am not familliar with the api or language I have to resort to trial&error programming too, but I don't like it :/ |
| 19:42.21 | nevcairiel | Silversage, you can use the lua interpreter and set it to only parse, not execute =p |
| 19:42.33 | Silversage | Oh, cool. |
| 19:43.02 | Silversage | cbreak: Lol. Nobody likes that. But you can't start out knowing everything. |
| 19:43.04 | Cloudwolf | the default lua interpretor with lua 5.1? |
| 19:44.06 | Silversage | Any ever try to avoid the /reloadui with luaedit or something like it? |
| 19:44.23 | cogwheel | Silversage: the lua interpreter has a command line option to just parse and not run |
| 19:44.56 | Silversage | cogwheel: That's what nevcariel said. |
| 19:45.05 | cogwheel | >< |
| 19:45.10 | cogwheel | i am so smrt |
| 19:46.20 | Yssaril | Silversage: if i know that i need to reloadui alot i usually log onto one of my coding characters and turn of every addon exept what i need for my addon then reloading usualy only takes 1-3 sec |
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| 20:00.30 | Shirik | netcurse o.o |
| 20:00.34 | Silversage | >.< 3 hours in, and the "15 minute hack" shows the faintest signs of life. Grr. |
| 20:03.11 | Silversage | Shirik? |
| 20:03.19 | Shirik | ? |
| 20:04.47 | Silversage | Why the comment about netcurse? |
| 20:04.52 | Silversage | Think it's related to curse? |
| 20:05.48 | nevcairiel | netcurse is the boss of curse, so to speak :P |
| 20:06.35 | nevcairiel | Still curious how Shirik got to that now :P |
| 20:06.56 | Shirik | has he always been here? I had thought he hadn't been here in a while |
| 20:07.11 | nevcairiel | I haven't seen him for a while, but he was in here before |
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| 20:20.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I love UAC's folder redirection sooooo much |
| 20:20.05 | ScytheBlade1 | (not sarcasm) |
| 20:20.27 | Lopeppeppy | I just sorta don't use the Program Files folder and I'm happy. |
| 20:20.29 | A-KO | I love UAC |
| 20:20.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Exactly |
| 20:21.07 | nevcairiel | I hated UAC on Vista, but on 7 they worked the annoying kinks out |
| 20:21.28 | nevcairiel | But i'm mostly using linux these days, so shrug :) |
| 20:21.32 | Lopeppeppy | Ah. I'm still on Vista, and like I said, I work around it. |
| 20:21.39 | A-KO | uac on 7 is < vista's |
| 20:21.41 | A-KO | but you can turn it up |
| 20:21.43 | A-KO | which I did :P |
| 20:21.52 | nevcairiel | That makes it annoying again |
| 20:22.01 | ScytheBlade1 | No more annoying that sudo on linux |
| 20:22.07 | ScytheBlade1 | And in many ways, less annoying than sudo on linux |
| 20:22.14 | A-KO | wow ScytheBlade1 |
| 20:22.16 | ScytheBlade1 | also turned his UAC up to the maximum |
| 20:22.18 | A-KO | someone who actually agrees with me :P |
| 20:22.20 | A-KO | same |
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| 20:22.53 | nevcairiel | You can use some smart apps that store the password for sudo and popup a rather similar box to the UAC box :P |
| 20:22.55 | AbsolutRayne | Anyone having issued with the newest PitBull Beta? |
| 20:23.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Then get to it, but the point stands |
| 20:23.51 | AbsolutRayne | Mine just keeps erroring out, and not showing me any frames. :/ |
| 20:24.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Linux /could/ be a desktop user's utopia |
| 20:24.01 | ScytheBlade1 | It isn't |
| 20:24.23 | Lopeppeppy | Hi hi, AbsolutRayne. Nope, not attempting to use the beta. |
| 20:24.28 | nevcairiel | I'm not a "desktop user" :P |
| 20:24.47 | AbsolutRayne | Lopeppeppy: Hi hi! Also, kay. Ill keep poking around. |
| 20:25.36 | Silversage | nevcariel: one of those "a mouse is what you use to select a terminal windown" kind of people? |
| 20:25.45 | nevcairiel | no |
| 20:26.31 | Silversage | Okay. Any lua trolls around? What's the correct way to propagate an error from a coroutine to its 'parent' so that things like Swatter display the stack trace correctly? |
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| 20:26.41 | nevcairiel | i use a graphical interface mostly, but i don't consider myself something that fits the generic "desktop user" description. I'm a developer, a hacker if you want, and i believe in open source =p |
| 20:27.22 | Silversage | I believe open source exists. I just don't believe it's yet produced a user experience suitable for my mother-in-law. |
| 20:28.31 | Silversage | This is what I've been using, and swatter mangles it: local status, line = assert(coroutine.resume(theProcess)) |
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| 20:28.53 | nevcairiel | coroutines are bad for propagating errors, it'll never be nice and easy |
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| 20:30.22 | Silversage | Java's approach is workable, imo. (Although they display the exception chain in the reverse order in which they display frames within a single exception, which is stupid.) |
| 20:30.51 | nevcairiel | Besides, i *was* using windows for quite a while, mostly because some projects i worked on forced me to, but since i got those done and switched back to linux as my main OS, i don't miss anything really. Just a bit less eye-candy, everything else i could replace |
| 20:31.16 | nevcairiel | And i probably could get eye-candy, if i wanted to :D |
| 20:31.45 | nevcairiel | I'll acknowledge you, that its not a mainstream thing for clueless people |
| 20:33.02 | Silversage | I lived in Linux for years. Decided I wasted too much of my life maintaining the systems. I then banned Linux and Windows from the house (buying the family macs). At work, I'll use Linux if IT supports it. Not willing to do my own support. |
| 20:33.48 | Silversage | Crap. What I'm building depends on a coroutine chain, and swatter truncates the message, which is where the interesting part of the stack trace is. Bleah. |
| 20:33.54 | nevcairiel | I'm not that big fan of macs |
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| 20:34.12 | Lopeppeppy | mac computer parts, pc computer parts, all made in Taiwan! |
| 20:34.17 | Lopeppeppy | makes fun of a space movie. |
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| 20:34.27 | nevcairiel | mac computer parts = pc computer parts with a higher price =P |
| 20:34.41 | Silversage | I'm no fanboi. But I spend less of my life maintaining macs than maintaining windows machines or linux boxen. |
| 20:34.59 | nevcairiel | So did i, because i never owned a mac, so i spent like no time fixing them :P |
| 20:35.19 | Silversage | ...obviously, proportional to time spent using same. |
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| 20:36.20 | nevcairiel | I probably spent lots of my time fixing, tweaking, changing and optimizing my linux system, but thats what i love about it, i can control everything, and if it means to pull out an editor and some C code :) |
| 20:37.01 | Lopeppeppy | Freak boi. :) |
| 20:37.03 | Relcuse | hmm, do warlock pets get a new UnitGUID each time they are resummoned? (same pet type) |
| 20:37.33 | nevcairiel | I believe so, Relcuse |
| 20:38.06 | Relcuse | =3 kk |
| 20:39.44 | Silversage | Wow. I gotta find a way to solve this, or debugging this is gonna be a nightmare. |
| 20:40.09 | nevcairiel | why do you need coroutines anyway? |
| 20:41.02 | Silversage | I'm re-implementing Linux in WoW. |
| 20:41.10 | Relcuse | XD |
| 20:41.52 | Relcuse | Silversage: did you try the bliz default error window? while i don't prefer it, it does offer quite a bit more trace info than swatter, imo |
| 20:42.42 | nevcairiel | well seriously, the only real application i ever heard of using coroutines with a valid reason are very long calculations that would either lock up the client, or need a looooot of work to be throttled manually. |
| 20:42.43 | Silversage | Worth a try. |
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| 20:44.02 | Silversage | nevcariel: Seriously, I'm trying to put together a framework for a Linux-like command-line interface, where each command can be implemented as if it were the process in charge. |
| 20:44.48 | nevcairiel | coroutines wont change that the lua engine is single-threaded, you know :P |
| 20:45.14 | Relcuse | coroutines kinda spoof the concept, though yeah? |
| 20:46.05 | nevcairiel | it doesnt have a scheduler, so you need to make sure to yield the coroutines before the client slows down |
| 20:46.10 | nevcairiel | and resume them on the next frame |
| 20:46.28 | Relcuse | yeah |
| 20:47.58 | tem | you could make a scheduler |
| 20:48.00 | Silversage | nevcariel: You're not telling me anything I don't already know. |
| 20:48.02 | tem | just not a proper one |
| 20:48.07 | Silversage | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/124701 |
| 20:48.09 | tem | since you can't preempt them |
| 20:48.19 | Silversage | ...if anyone wants to take a crack at helping. |
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| 20:48.37 | Silversage | If "proper" == "preemptive", that's true. |
| 20:49.22 | nevcairiel | Just makign sure, because lots of people tried solving problems with coroutines that need a complete other approch in WoWLua |
| 20:50.07 | Silversage | There are non-coroutine ways to do what I'm doing, but it would push much more of the burden on the command implementors, which is what I'm trying to avoid. |
| 20:52.30 | Silversage | I'm not seeing from that stack trace what in lines 10 or 73 might be an attempt to call a number value. Bleah. |
| 20:52.31 | foxlit | " attempt to call a number value " |
| 20:52.35 | foxlit | Your variable is a number. |
| 20:52.37 | foxlit | Don't call numbers. |
| 20:53.16 | Silversage | Um. Now point at the call in lines 10 or 73, please. |
| 20:53.39 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.40 | foxlit | 32 [C]: ? |
| 20:53.40 | foxlit | 33 [C]: assert() |
| 20:53.56 | Silversage | Yes, I understand the text. But unless coroutine.resume is a number... |
| 20:54.11 | Silversage | No, foxlit, that the assert in the parent thread. |
| 20:54.53 | Silversage | The 'message' is the mangled stack trace from the coroutine, iiuc, but that's what's not making sense to me. |
| 20:54.56 | Arrowmaster | bah swatter debugstack, fucking useless |
| 20:55.55 | Relcuse | lol |
| 20:56.04 | Silversage | Hmm. Just ran it without swatter. Seeing basically the same thing. |
| 20:56.21 | foxlit | local cr = coroutine.create(function() local v = 4; return v("foo"); end); |
| 20:56.21 | foxlit | print(assert(coroutine.resume(cr))); |
| 20:56.34 | foxlit | or, well |
| 20:56.49 | foxlit | lua> coroutine.create(function() local v = 4; return v("foo"); end); assert(coroutine.resume(cr)); |
| 20:56.49 | lua_bot | foxlit: luabot:1: bad argument #1 to 'resume' (coroutine expected) |
| 20:57.03 | foxlit | lua> cr = coroutine.create(function() local v = 4; return v("foo"); end); assert(coroutine.resume(cr)); |
| 20:57.03 | lua_bot | foxlit: luabot:1: luabot:1: attempt to call local 'v' (a number value) |
| 20:57.58 | Silversage | foxlit: Yes. You can generate the same error. |
| 20:58.16 | zenzelezz | my lua is rusty, does "for i in 1, nAuctions do [...]" create a range [1..nAuctions] and iterate over those values? |
| 20:58.31 | Silversage | Now can you explain how line 10 is attempting to call a number? |
| 20:58.48 | Arrowmaster | lua> function f(x) return x:len() end; f("test") |
| 20:58.48 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: No output |
| 20:58.49 | foxlit | I'm going to point at zenzelezz and suggest that he's just being diplomatic. |
| 20:58.53 | Arrowmaster | lua> function f(x) return x:len() end; return f("test") |
| 20:58.53 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 4 |
| 20:58.58 | Arrowmaster | lua> function f(x) return x:len() end; return f(1) |
| 20:58.58 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: luabot:1: attempt to index local 'x' (a number value) |
| 20:59.04 | Arrowmaster | bah local still |
| 20:59.17 | foxlit | for ... in ... do syntax is not a numeric for. |
| 20:59.20 | zenzelezz | Silversage: try changing the "in" in line 10 to "=" and see if it makes a difference |
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| 20:59.26 | Shirik | (16:19:52) (ScytheBlade1) I love UAC's folder redirection sooooo much |
| 20:59.27 | Arrowmaster | for i in 1, nAuctions do |
| 20:59.31 | Shirik | You obviously have not written enough programs |
| 20:59.35 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats the exact error |
| 20:59.46 | Arrowmaster | wrong syntax for for loops |
| 20:59.48 | Silversage | Gah. Quite correct. That's the help I needed. |
| 20:59.58 | Silversage | And it's perfectly valid lua, too. >.< |
| 21:00.13 | Silversage | And ... it explain the function call error. |
| 21:00.17 | Arrowmaster | because in is used for iterators |
| 21:00.23 | foxlit | lua> print(assert(5, 4, 3, 2, 1)); |
| 21:00.27 | Arrowmaster | which are functions and get called |
| 21:00.27 | lua_bot | foxlit: 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 |
| 21:00.29 | Silversage | Yepyep. *That*'s the help I needed. |
| 21:00.50 | Silversage | Kept staring at it, and couldn't see any function in the line. But it's there. |
| 21:01.13 | Shirik | lua: a = 1; debug.setmetatable(a, {__call = next}); for i in 1, {1,2,3,4,5}, nil do print(i) end |
| 21:01.21 | Shirik | !lua a = 1; debug.setmetatable(a, {__call = next}); for i in 1, {1,2,3,4,5}, nil do print(i) end |
| 21:01.21 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "a = 1; debug.setmetatable(a, {__call = next..."]:1: bad argument #1 to '(for generator)' (table expected, got number) |
| 21:02.09 | Shirik | hm? o.O |
| 21:02.12 | Silversage | Thank you. Spent way too long staring at that. |
| 21:02.19 | zenzelezz | been there, done that |
| 21:02.32 | foxlit | Shirik: it's the second argument that gets called. |
| 21:02.38 | Shirik | oh |
| 21:02.41 | Lopeppeppy | Sometimes code is like one of those 3D pictures.... you can stare all you want, nothing's there, and the next person who looks gets it right away. |
| 21:02.42 | Shirik | I thought it was next, t, nil |
| 21:02.52 | Shirik | !lua a = 1; debug.setmetatable(a, {__call = next}); for i in {1,2,3,4,5}, 1, nil do print(i) end |
| 21:02.53 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "a = 1; debug.setmetatable(a, {__call = next..."]:1: attempt to call a table value |
| 21:02.55 | foxlit | lua> return pairs({}) |
| 21:02.55 | lua_bot | foxlit: function: 0x8f829e8, table: 0x8fc1d80, nil |
| 21:02.55 | Silversage | It's one of those things that if you do it 5 times, you're likely to map 'value called' in a 'for' statement as knowing exactly the problem. |
| 21:02.59 | foxlit | Or not. |
| 21:03.36 | zenzelezz | stares at Lopeppeppy |
| 21:03.37 | Shirik | this is peculiar |
| 21:03.57 | foxlit | Yet not altogether inexplicable. Metatables do not always win. |
| 21:04.02 | Lopeppeppy | No one ever gets me, zenzelezz, must take special funny glasses or something. |
| 21:04.16 | Dagmar | ...or drugs. |
| 21:04.33 | Lopeppeppy | Drugs work too, but I prefer the Luna Lovegood glasses. |
| 21:04.43 | zenzelezz | Lopeppeppy is a girl, neither glasses or drugs will make you understand her |
| 21:04.44 | Shirik | This is strange foxlit |
| 21:04.46 | Shirik | Check this out |
| 21:04.48 | Dagmar | I would prefer Luna Lovegood, but that's just me. |
| 21:04.50 | Shirik | !lua a = 1; debug.setmetatable(a, {__call = next}); for i in 1, {1,2,3,4,5}, nil do print(i) end |
| 21:04.50 | batbot | Shirik: @ [string "a = 1; debug.setmetatable(a, {__call = next..."]:1: bad argument #1 to '(for generator)' (table expected, got number) |
| 21:04.56 | Shirik | !lua a = 1; debug.setmetatable(a, {__call = next}); for i in next, {1,2,3,4,5}, nil do print(i) end |
| 21:04.56 | batbot | Shirik: 1 2 3 4 5 |
| 21:05.07 | Lopeppeppy | Ouch, Dagmar! But yay for Luna, she needs more admirers. |
| 21:05.13 | Dagmar | For some reason I seem to attract the ones on lithium and zoloft |
| 21:05.19 | foxlit | Shirik: the self argument in the __call handler |
| 21:05.25 | Silversage | Lopeppeppy: You are very rude. |
| 21:05.26 | Lopeppeppy | I doubt Luna is using either... |
| 21:05.31 | Silversage | Consideling you know I can't see 3D. |
| 21:05.33 | Dagmar | So, you know... antipsychotics won't be a big stretch |
| 21:05.33 | Shirik | ooo nice catch |
| 21:05.48 | Lopeppeppy | Really, Silversage? I honestly didn't know that. |
| 21:05.53 | Shirik | !lua a = 1; debug.setmetatable(a, {__call = function(self, ...) return next(...) end}); for i in 1, {1,2,3,4,5}, nil do print(i) end |
| 21:05.53 | batbot | Shirik: 1 2 3 4 5 |
| 21:05.55 | Shirik | yay |
| 21:06.01 | Lopeppeppy | I can't, but I'm a serious minority. |
| 21:06.02 | Silversage | Really, really. Hate 3D movies. |
| 21:06.04 | Shirik | Silversage, use that instead ^_^ |
| 21:06.38 | foxlit | !lua a = 1; debug.setmetatable(a, {__call = function(self, a) return self < a and (self + 1) or nil end}); for i in 1, 15 do print(i); end |
| 21:06.40 | Lopeppeppy | Then it was a bad analogy and I apologize. |
| 21:06.42 | batbot | foxlit: @ maximum execution time exceeded |
| 21:06.58 | Shirik | ooh nice foxlit |
| 21:07.06 | Silversage | Lopeppeppy: Serious about lacking 3D, but not serious about being peeved. |
| 21:07.19 | Lopeppeppy | :P PITA. |
| 21:07.23 | Silversage | Didn't figure out I was different until HS. |
| 21:07.38 | Silversage | Spend a childhood of baseballs bonking me between the eyes, tho. |
| 21:07.46 | Shirik | btw, foxlit, welcome to "why ...and...or... is NOT the tertiary operator" |
| 21:07.48 | Shirik | :) |
| 21:08.15 | foxlit | Shirik: are you sure that's what's going wrong? |
| 21:08.23 | Shirik | eh, actually, I guess "or" is lower precedence |
| 21:08.24 | Lopeppeppy | I found out in college, when I nearly failed my Sensation and Perception class. Prof could NOT believe I couldn't see the optical illusions. The only ones I 'get' are the color depth ones, like blue and red next to each other. |
| 21:08.27 | Shirik | nm |
| 21:08.57 | Shirik | what exactly are you doing :) |
| 21:09.02 | Dagmar | So how'd that drivers eyesight exam go? |
| 21:09.03 | Silversage | OMG, love you guys. OUTPUT! :D |
| 21:09.38 | Silversage | Dagmar: I'd figured it out by then. I have vision in both eyes. And DMVs don't have tests that check for 3D. Just that you can see from both eyes. |
| 21:10.03 | Lopeppeppy | Dagmar, it goes fine. It's the illusions my brain fails to resolve, not the everyday world... like I've figured out how to cope with reality, so get those creepy illusions away from me. |
| 21:10.22 | Lopeppeppy | But I'm clumsy. :( |
| 21:10.28 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 21:10.34 | foxlit | !lua a = 1; debug.setmetatable(a, {__call = function(st, lim, cur) cur = (cur or st) + 1; return cur <= lim and cur or nil end}); for i in 1, 15 do print(i); end |
| 21:10.34 | batbot | foxlit: 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 |
| 21:10.52 | Arrowmaster | Lopeppeppy: the only way i can ever see those optical illusion posters is to get really close and cross my eyes |
| 21:10.53 | Shirik | lol. |
| 21:10.58 | Dagmar | Ahhh okay |
| 21:11.01 | foxlit | !lua a = 1; debug.setmetatable(a, {__call = function(st, lim, cur) cur = cur and (cur + 1) or st; return cur <= lim and cur or nil end}); for i in 1, 15 do print(i); end |
| 21:11.01 | batbot | foxlit: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 |
| 21:11.07 | Shirik | there you go Silversage |
| 21:11.12 | Dagmar | I wouldn't say being unable to see an illusion as being much of an issue then |
| 21:11.13 | Shirik | use foxlit's loop |
| 21:11.19 | Dagmar | I was worried you actually had issues with parsing depth |
| 21:11.37 | zenzelezz | are you calling peppy shallow? |
| 21:11.53 | Dagmar | Having a nearly legally blind prescription and contact lenses was a lot of fun when I lost one lens |
| 21:12.07 | Dagmar | Driving in the rain with no depth perception is terrifying |
| 21:12.22 | Shirik | I wish my vision was worse |
| 21:12.35 | Shirik | My vision is in the worst possible state, imo |
| 21:12.35 | Silversage | Okay. Finally been reading foxlit's stuff. I thought you couldn't set metatable's on anything except tables from the lua side. |
| 21:12.45 | Silversage | Shirik: New Jersey? |
| 21:12.51 | Arrowmaster | im not sure but i think i count as legally blind |
| 21:12.55 | Shirik | It is bad enough that I need them to read distant objects |
| 21:12.56 | foxlit | You can't. |
| 21:13.04 | Shirik | but, it's good enough that I don't want to wear them normally |
| 21:13.06 | foxlit | debug.setmatable slingshots you through C. |
| 21:13.16 | Silversage | Ooo. |
| 21:13.18 | Shirik | As a result, I am very good at misplacing my glasses because I don't need them |
| 21:13.19 | foxlit | [And is not around in wow, iirc.] |
| 21:13.26 | Silversage | I should hope not. |
| 21:13.27 | Shirik | and I don't notice when I'm not wearing htem |
| 21:13.38 | nevcairiel | indeed, WoW doesnt allow you to do that |
| 21:15.10 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, get folding glasses that you can keep in a small case in your pocket. |
| 21:15.22 | foxlit | Hrm, only Win7Pro on the MSDN AA page :/ |
| 21:15.55 | Lopeppeppy | The next door neighbor dogs are crying... it's getting very annoying. |
| 21:16.37 | Shirik | owned foxlit |
| 21:17.13 | Dagmar | Take it! |
| 21:17.35 | nevcairiel | MS has always only given you the pro or business or whatever its called for all different versions from MSDNAA |
| 21:19.03 | Silversage | Woohoo! Got a basic wc working. :D |
| 21:19.35 | foxlit | nevcairiel: You would appear to be right, at least as far as operating systems are concerned. |
| 21:19.47 | Arrowmaster | my msdnaa account should be reactivated soon, i wonder what all i can get off of it this time |
| 21:20.14 | Arrowmaster | got a 1 year xna membership key that i still havent used last year |
| 21:21.42 | foxlit | I wonder who designed this interface |
| 21:21.51 | Pneumatus | i need to go back to school to get another msdnaa acct :< |
| 21:22.10 | foxlit | Buttons like "Continue Shopping" occasionally appear, while all the prices are "Free!" |
| 21:24.37 | AbsolutRayne_ | My name is Artie...and I am the strongest man...in the world |
| 21:24.53 | Dagmar | Artie Johnson? |
| 21:25.01 | Dagmar | Let's see you lift this bar then |
| 21:25.39 | Lopeppeppy | raises the bar. |
| 21:25.57 | AbsolutRayne_ | I want to watch Pete and Pete so bad now. |
| 21:26.00 | AbsolutRayne_ | God why did I do that |
| 21:26.30 | AbsolutRayne | Oh well, back to updating my UI |
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| 21:40.37 | Cide | wow, dream theater's new album is pretty sweet |
| 21:42.26 | Cide | s/sweet/amazing/ |
| 21:43.16 | Cide | http://open.spotify.com/track/0lphvKBt6vQbDAy0gUWk3C |
| 21:45.48 | Cide | too bad lunessa isn't here |
| 21:49.00 | mikma | cide: spotify:album:2rysCmCBLAXkDDNFnOn2h3 |
| 21:51.47 | Cide | way more annoying |
| 21:51.56 | Cide | oh |
| 21:52.02 | Cide | you mean the album, not that type of link |
| 21:52.05 | Cide | let me liste |
| 21:52.06 | Cide | n |
| 21:53.01 | mikma | cide: old finnish band, except this is their 3rd album with this singer |
| 21:53.16 | mikma | cide: shadowed likes it, too. hehe. |
| 21:53.26 | Cide | amorphis or DT? :P |
| 21:53.52 | mikma | Amorphis |
| 21:53.54 | Shirik | Cide |
| 21:53.58 | Shirik | give me a D flip flop |
| 21:54.04 | Cide | first song's pretty good, mikma |
| 21:54.14 | Cide | I'll listen some more later |
| 21:54.18 | Cide | Shirik: huh? |
| 21:54.26 | mikma | cide: the second one is one of the best songs in the album |
| 21:54.27 | Shirik | lol nm |
| 21:54.43 | Cide | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flip-flop_(electronics) |
| 21:54.44 | Cide | ... |
| 21:54.56 | Cide | listening to it now |
| 21:55.41 | Cide | I have no experience with lower-level electric circuits Shirik :P |
| 21:55.48 | Cide | s/lower-level// |
| 21:56.04 | Shirik | it was a random comment :P |
| 21:56.23 | Cide | you're weird |
| 21:56.30 | Shirik | I was thinking about HP's new technology and how we might eliminate transistors |
| 21:57.06 | Cide | I got tricked that I was going to take a class regarding an experimental quantum computer |
| 21:57.10 | Cide | fuckers. |
| 21:57.33 | Shirik | and I've come to the conclusion that it should be possible to replace the 17 transistors currently necessary for a 1 bit register |
| 21:57.49 | Shirik | actually, better yet |
| 21:57.52 | Shirik | lua> 17 * 8 |
| 21:57.53 | lua_bot | Shirik: 136 |
| 21:58.07 | Shirik | The 136 transistors required for an 8 bit register |
| 21:58.13 | Shirik | with 8 transistors and 8 memristors |
| 21:58.25 | Shirik | that's insane |
| 21:59.12 | Cide | that's cool |
| 21:59.17 | Lopeppeppy | Test it. |
| 21:59.17 | Cide | what are you going to be replacing them with? |
| 21:59.30 | foxlit | But is it useful? |
| 21:59.48 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14632-LFM_Sniffer.html |
| 21:59.51 | Shirik | it would severely compact the number of transistors required |
| 21:59.55 | Shirik | I would consider that useful |
| 22:00.30 | Lopeppeppy | Neat, jnwhiteh! Should help group leaders a lot |
| 22:00.37 | jnwhiteh | I hope so! |
| 22:00.41 | ScytheBlade1 | how are the OnUpdate functions prototyped? func(frame, time)? |
| 22:00.52 | Cide | func(self, elapsed_time) |
| 22:01.03 | jnwhiteh | technically |
| 22:01.04 | ScytheBlade1 | thanks |
| 22:01.06 | jnwhiteh | its self, elasped |
| 22:01.10 | ScytheBlade1 | been quite a while since I poked |
| 22:01.12 | Shirik | bad ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:01.13 | jnwhiteh | since the names are actually named in the XML handlers. |
| 22:01.13 | Cide | so kinda, yes, depending on your definition of "time" |
| 22:01.14 | Shirik | you should know that |
| 22:01.27 | Cide | yeah, I was just giving it a more descriptive name |
| 22:01.30 | ScytheBlade1 | And that is one awesome addon |
| 22:01.33 | Shirik | Use Conspiracy's adaptive scheduler, imo |
| 22:01.33 | foxlit | Shirik: I thought the issue was more power consumption than space. |
| 22:01.36 | Shirik | screw OnUpdate |
| 22:01.51 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd involve adding Conspiracy to it |
| 22:01.53 | foxlit | (Does it come with a free copy of DNF?) |
| 22:02.01 | Shirik | foxlit: That's an interesting point |
| 22:02.02 | Shirik | Consider this |
| 22:02.29 | Shirik | Current memory technology requires a charge to retain its state |
| 22:03.00 | Shirik | Memristors do not. With the device completely disconnected from the circuit, it will retain its state until a current flows through it once again |
| 22:03.16 | Shirik | Thus it should follow power consumption should be drastically reduced if used properly |
| 22:03.27 | foxlit | <joke subject="skynet" /> |
| 22:03.52 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: So? :P |
| 22:04.08 | ScytheBlade1 | So no. Ha! |
| 22:04.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Take that! |
| 22:04.13 | Shirik | :( |
| 22:04.21 | Shirik | the adaptive scheduler was awesome |
| 22:04.23 | Shirik | I should turn it into a library |
| 22:04.37 | Shirik | probably one of the coolest reusable pieces of code I've made in Lua |
| 22:04.44 | Cide | what'd it do? |
| 22:06.21 | Shirik | Instead of the traditional method of using a static rate of calling a callback, it instead allowed registering callbacks that are called at a flexible rate. The system would analyze current loads and adapt the update rate. Think of it as a mini-kernel. |
| 22:06.42 | Shirik | It was implemented because the majority of what conspiracy does is in-combat. |
| 22:06.57 | Lopeppeppy | And message flooding = bad. |
| 22:07.28 | Shirik | actually this was for actual processing, not sending messages, Lopeppeppy :) |
| 22:07.46 | Shirik | for example, keeping the framerate at a reasonable level |
| 22:08.00 | Cide | ah |
| 22:08.21 | Shirik | I think it was really cool where we were going |
| 22:08.22 | Cide | and the overhead wasn't greater than the fps saved? ;) |
| 22:08.42 | Shirik | never had a chance to test :) but it wasn't a lot of work, really |
| 22:08.54 | Shirik | Part of the purpose was for helping distributed computations |
| 22:09.11 | ScytheBlade1 | elapsed is in seconds not milliseconds, right? |
| 22:09.15 | Cide | right |
| 22:09.17 | Shirik | correct |
| 22:09.34 | Shirik | For example, this was before the new combat log system was invented |
| 22:09.42 | Cide | I still want to do the only addon that I can think of that hasn't been done before |
| 22:09.45 | Shirik | during that time, there was a lot of work that was necessary to parse the combat log |
| 22:09.47 | ScytheBlade1 | hm, may not have the granuality I want for this in low FPS situations |
| 22:09.50 | Cide | maybe you should help me Shirik |
| 22:09.56 | foxlit | The purpose was clearly to replace a "Wake me up in X seconds" mechanic with a "Call me. Anytime. I'm flexible. Really. It's no bother! Just call me. Please!" |
| 22:10.19 | Shirik | So, I was going to allow for a system such that people with better computers would help out more with the combat og |
| 22:10.23 | Shirik | foxlit: You get to specify parameters |
| 22:10.30 | Shirik | such as limits to how flexible, or a target framerate, etc. |
| 22:10.39 | Cide | target fps = 0.01 |
| 22:10.41 | Cide | yes. |
| 22:10.49 | Shirik | Most people don't really want a "Wake me up in X seconds" mechanic. They want a "I need this to happen every so often, but it's not really vital exactly when" |
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| 22:11.14 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah I want an actual timer |
| 22:11.22 | Shirik | no you don't! |
| 22:11.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I do |
| 22:11.26 | Shirik | Cide, what was it? |
| 22:11.30 | ScytheBlade1 | This is a timer addon :P |
| 22:11.33 | Lopeppeppy | has cookies! |
| 22:11.39 | ScytheBlade1 | takes a cookie |
| 22:11.40 | Shirik | steals Lopeppeppy's cookies |
| 22:11.43 | Cide | I'll have to think whether or not I tell everyone :P |
| 22:11.52 | Cide | I know I have before though |
| 22:11.54 | Shirik | you could just tell me in private |
| 22:11.57 | Cide | but I may take it up again |
| 22:12.02 | Cide | brb toilet first |
| 22:12.07 | Lopeppeppy | I baked lots, go right ahead. Cheater cookies, pillsbury packaged dough, but it let me test my oven to see how it bakes. |
| 22:12.08 | Shirik | er... |
| 22:12.14 | Cide | tmi? |
| 22:12.18 | Shirik | yes :/ |
| 22:12.20 | Cide | lolol |
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| 22:13.34 | Shirik | Hm, I take it back. 1 memristor for any size register, assuming you can accurately measure the resistance. |
| 22:13.49 | Shirik | e.g., 32 bit register = 32 transistors + 1 memristor |
| 22:14.59 | Yssaril | ScytheBlade1: are you looking for a timer that fires every x sec or just once? |
| 22:15.19 | Yssaril | cause you can always use the animation system for a timer |
| 22:16.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Countdown timer |
| 22:17.05 | Yssaril | what precision? update every sec? |
| 22:17.19 | ScytheBlade1 | "as often as possible" |
| 22:17.33 | ScytheBlade1 | tracking short duration buffs/debuffs over a range of targets and the player |
| 22:17.39 | Shirik | see |
| 22:17.41 | Shirik | you don't need a timer |
| 22:17.45 | Yssaril | use onupdate |
| 22:17.47 | Shirik | you need an adaptive scheduler |
| 22:17.51 | Shirik | I told you! |
| 22:17.55 | ScytheBlade1 | That's what I'm using @ OnUpate |
| 22:17.58 | ScytheBlade1 | *OnUpdate |
| 22:18.30 | Shirik | is it vital to the functionality of the UI? |
| 22:18.48 | Shirik | Or is it just something that needs to be updated as much as possible while preserving other functionality |
| 22:19.17 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd consider any more than a tenth of a second to be "bad" |
| 22:20.12 | Yssaril | make a looping animation and set its duration to whatever you want and then use the OnLoop script |
| 22:20.26 | Shirik | well sure ScytheBlade1 |
| 22:20.35 | Shirik | you could set all of that :) |
| 22:25.32 | AbsolutRayne | ZzZz |
| 22:35.36 | AbsolutRayne | Hey guys, question pertaining to battle.net and Custom UIs |
| 22:36.16 | AbsolutRayne | When you log into WoW with battle.net, in your Addons folder, does it create the directory with the battle.net account, or your old WoW account name? |
| 22:36.28 | Iriel | The latter |
| 22:38.02 | Pneumatus | seeing as your battlenet account can contain multiple WoW accounts, the former would end up very messy |
| 22:40.35 | ScytheBlade1 | wow, the new UnitBuff() API is nice |
| 22:43.54 | ScytheBlade1 | I suppose UnitAura() is a better name |
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| 22:46.13 | Cide | what constitutes a good rogue other than doing good dps? |
| 22:46.22 | Cide | s/rogue/<dps class>/ |
| 22:46.30 | Lopeppeppy | Managing their threat. |
| 22:46.38 | Cide | good. more thoughts> |
| 22:46.39 | Cide | ? |
| 22:46.54 | Slafsinator | surviving long enough to put out said DPS throughout the fight |
| 22:47.07 | Lopeppeppy | Staying self-buffed, too many forget to use their shouts or auras or what not. |
| 22:47.25 | Cide | also good, but hard to measure programatically since it's partly on the healer's table |
| 22:47.29 | Cide | also good, Lopeppeppy |
| 22:47.31 | Lopeppeppy | Remembering their raid buffs, when they are assigned them. There's no excuse to let the paws run out. |
| 22:47.44 | Cide | more? class-specific examples are welcomed |
| 22:47.50 | Slafsinator | Cide: you can check for spikes of damage |
| 22:48.21 | Lopeppeppy | Using the pet appropriate to the situation, for pet classes. |
| 22:48.21 | Slafsinator | damage DPS classes tend to take is steady, predictable ticks of manageable damage |
| 22:48.25 | Pneumatus | Cide: not standing in the fire |
| 22:49.02 | Lopeppeppy | Usually a spike in damage means 1) lack of situational awareness (standing in fire), 2) lack of managing their threat (pulling aggro), or 3) they were the last one standing in a wipe. :) |
| 22:49.20 | Slafsinator | yus |
| 22:49.30 | Pneumatus | Cide: using relavent pots |
| 22:49.35 | roastx | or 4) they got a perfect rotation with chain crits going |
| 22:49.47 | Lopeppeppy | 4) leads to 2), and is therefore included |
| 22:49.50 | Pneumatus | speedpots/wild magic/whatever melee use |
| 22:49.52 | Slafsinator | thus you'd probably need to build or obtain a library of abilities that DPS classes aren't supposed to suffer |
| 22:50.03 | roastx | threat drop ! |
| 22:50.16 | roastx | i r mage, mirror images invisy |
| 22:50.28 | roastx | fire mage threat = qq |
| 22:50.30 | roastx | :( |
| 22:50.39 | Slafsinator | well, you know when that has failed when you see mages taking boss autoattacks |
| 22:50.47 | Lopeppeppy | DPS has to know when they should SKIP an ability in their rotation, because their threat is too high. THAT is the judgement that many players lack. The button lights up, they press it, they die. |
| 22:51.00 | Slafsinator | buttons such as? |
| 22:51.03 | roastx | arcane gets 40% threat reduction in the first tier |
| 22:51.04 | Lopeppeppy | Just because something procs doesn't mean you have to take it. :) |
| 22:51.18 | Pneumatus | rogues who use killing spree when they shouldnt is a prime example |
| 22:51.21 | roastx | fire gets 10% in the first tier |
| 22:51.28 | Slafsinator | very few abilities have extra threat, at least of the abilities people use to DPS |
| 22:51.38 | roastx | frostfire spec has 150% crit 40% dot on crit |
| 22:51.51 | roastx | and like twice the crit in gear |
| 22:52.04 | roastx | fire needs more antithreat : |
| 22:52.10 | roastx | :| |
| 22:52.13 | cbreak | mirror images |
| 22:52.13 | Lopeppeppy | It doesn't have to have "extra" threat. If their threat level is too high, they need to skip a spell to let it dwindle. |
| 22:52.14 | Pneumatus | rogues popping killing spree and ending up rooted in fire just because it lit up :) |
| 22:52.17 | cbreak | invisibility |
| 22:52.46 | roastx | crit = extra threat\ |
| 22:52.52 | cbreak | no |
| 22:52.56 | Slafsinator | crit isn't extra threat |
| 22:52.56 | cbreak | crit = extra damage |
| 22:52.57 | Lopeppeppy | Something warlocks have, it's a proc... always got the warlocks killed in SSC when they used it. "But... it procced, I had to use it!" |
| 22:53.06 | Slafsinator | Lopeppeppy: backlash |
| 22:53.12 | Cide | sorry to steer the discussion in another way but.. besides threat management, any other ideas? |
| 22:53.15 | roastx | yeah im implying that |
| 22:53.17 | Dagmar | More warlock self-control issues |
| 22:53.35 | Arrowmaster | hmm SSC i miss that raid |
| 22:53.43 | Arrowmaster | the healers hated me on trash |
| 22:53.46 | ccox | anyone know of an addon that will show the item crafted by a recipe (ie: name, value, etc.) in the recipe tooltip? |
| 22:53.51 | Cide | keeping dots up is a good example |
| 22:53.55 | Lopeppeppy | Threat, self and raid buffs, appropriate pets, appropriate debuffs, appropriate aura/aspect... |
| 22:54.04 | Slafsinator | Cide: standing on other people where there's chain lightnings, splash damage from targeted boss abilities etc (emalon, KT) |
| 22:54.13 | Lopeppeppy | Situational awareness... |
| 22:54.20 | Pneumatus | not standing in fires. |
| 22:54.21 | Arrowmaster | put Unstable Affliction on himself... a lot... on purpose.... |
| 22:54.44 | cbreak | you hate your healers? |
| 22:54.49 | Slafsinator | Cide: what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 22:54.52 | roastx | people been saying this for years |
| 22:54.53 | Lopeppeppy | Arrowmaster, that was eventually banned in our raid. |
| 22:54.54 | Cide | just looking for ideas |
| 22:54.55 | Arrowmaster | only the noobs fell for it |
| 22:54.59 | roastx | think theyd get tired of the game by now |
| 22:55.02 | Cide | situational awareness is good but hard to define concretely |
| 22:55.10 | Pneumatus | basically, find a failmod and generally not hitting those triggers = good |
| 22:55.12 | Dagmar | I can define it concretely |
| 22:55.20 | roastx | saying WHY DONT THE NOOBS NOT STAND IN THE FIRE IM SO BADASS BECAUSE I DONT STAND IN FIRE for like 4 years |
| 22:55.21 | Lopeppeppy | I can define it concretely too. |
| 22:55.23 | Dagmar | "Take your head out of your a** and pay attention to what's going on" |
| 22:55.28 | roastx | and they still arent sick of it |
| 22:55.30 | roastx | heh |
| 22:55.35 | Cide | that's pretty abstract :P |
| 22:55.35 | Shirik | oh wow |
| 22:55.44 | Shirik | no wonder Cide stopped talking to me |
| 22:55.52 | Cide | let me rephrase: how would you define it programatically? |
| 22:55.52 | Arrowmaster | roastx: i got sick of it and quit |
| 22:55.52 | Slafsinator | roastx: ironically a new boss just came out that spawns tiny, high damage fires under people, and people fail on it a lot |
| 22:55.53 | Lopeppeppy | Make a list of debuffs they should never get. And if they get it, they are fired. Like... BigBrother, is that the addon that tattles about debuffs? |
| 22:55.58 | Cide | I totally didn't |
| 22:55.58 | Shirik | he's having a party with Lopeppeppy :( |
| 22:56.00 | Dagmar | How do these people manage to get around without being run over in traffic? |
| 22:56.21 | Lopeppeppy | News to me, I'm sitting home alone as a crazy cat lady! |
| 22:56.23 | Pneumatus | not breaking crowd control etc are also good metrics |
| 22:56.38 | Cide | also good |
| 22:56.39 | roastx | probably because people have real life distractions instead of paying attention to the game 100% |
| 22:56.41 | foxlit | Problem: you may be able to ignore various levels of situational checks safely at varying gear levels. |
| 22:56.46 | Lopeppeppy | I think BigBrother tattles on that too. CC respect is a must! As is minding your CC when you're assigned to do it. |
| 22:56.50 | Lopeppeppy | "Mind your sheep" |
| 22:56.59 | foxlit | "Don't stand in a fire" goes out the window if the fire is easily healed. |
| 22:57.06 | roastx | i use a mod called controlfreak for my sheeping |
| 22:57.08 | Dagmar | Maybe distribute everyone a set of PowerAuras strings that are coded to have big red letters that say "MOVE NOOB" when certain area debuffs are detected |
| 22:57.09 | roastx | its quite nice |
| 22:57.10 | Dagmar | That sort of thing |
| 22:57.20 | Pneumatus | foxlit: such fires don't exist :< |
| 22:57.21 | Lopeppeppy | foxlit, no it doesn't. |
| 22:57.22 | Slafsinator | good DPS attacks the target that has the most threat, where possible |
| 22:57.32 | Dagmar | foxlit: "Easily" is more fluid than "get out of the fire" |
| 22:57.40 | Cide | Slafsinator: ties in with threat management |
| 22:57.42 | Arrowmaster | pff i learned to not stand in the fire on a real fight, like alar |
| 22:57.50 | Pneumatus | and standing in fire when you could not be standing in fire is dumb, regardless |
| 22:58.00 | Pneumatus | there is no candy in the fire :< |
| 22:58.03 | roastx | fire gives my warrior more rage |
| 22:58.05 | roastx | stfu |
| 22:58.07 | Dagmar | People who will yet "but my DPS will drop if I move" need to get over hte fact that their wang is small |
| 22:58.10 | foxlit | (a) See the druid Balance tree |
| 22:58.20 | foxlit | (b) There might be a penalty to moving |
| 22:58.22 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly. There's no need to be lazy and make someone else keep you alive. Every raid member should be responsible for their own health. You stand willfully in a fire, and I'm going to let you die. |
| 22:58.26 | Arrowmaster | i kept telling yoshi to fucking make an encounter where you have to stand in the fire |
| 22:58.31 | Dagmar | There's a penalty for moving for almost everyone |
| 22:59.08 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: and we got Malygos. |
| 22:59.11 | foxlit | Well done, you :) |
| 22:59.13 | Slafsinator | Arrowmaster: Aran |
| 22:59.17 | Dagmar | Just as long as they haven't been in HoL recently there's no reason to be standing in anything that wasn't cast by your own people |
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| 22:59.39 | Dagmar | ...athough it's still hilarious to see people go in there if they've not been in awhile |
| 23:00.00 | Dagmar | They'll get arc lightning'd, tun five feet.... stop... run five feet more... stop... run five feet more, start cursing on vent |
| 23:00.13 | roastx | i like fire |
| 23:00.28 | roastx | standing in it pisses off nerds |
| 23:00.31 | Lopeppeppy | Paladins can't cast anything while we move. That's no excuse not to move. |
| 23:00.35 | roastx | and they make funny noises on vent |
| 23:00.36 | Arrowmaster | i have no clue what Dagmar is talking about |
| 23:01.03 | Dagmar | Hunters have fewer shots they can use while moving, and SV hunters (last I checked) even lose a damage buff for not having been parked the last six seconds. |
| 23:01.08 | roastx | MY VOICE IS SO CONSTRAINED BECAUSE I DO EVERYTHING CORRECTLY |
| 23:01.14 | foxlit | Lopeppeppy: you're standing in a fire that deals insignificant damage. |
| 23:01.16 | roastx | are we having fun yet |
| 23:01.19 | foxlit | You could (a) Heal the tank. |
| 23:01.23 | foxlit | (b) Run out of the fire. |
| 23:01.26 | Dagmar | Still, the healer will get GCD starved very quickly if people all take the attitude "well, it's not much damage so I can stand in it" |
| 23:01.32 | foxlit | There are situations where (a) is better than (b). |
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| 23:01.50 | Zyn- | AMERICANS |
| 23:02.28 | Zyn- | "I thought we were doing normal" when we have all 3 elders up ... yup, clearly knows what is going on |
| 23:02.28 | Dagmar | BTW, Arc Lightning + Disengage == PRETTY! |
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| 23:04.36 | Lopeppeppy | Foxlit, I'm still getting my ass out of the fire, because "insignificant" adds up, and I can't heal the tank if I'm dead. I may finish my cast if it's really so "insignificant", but I'm moving. Because then someone else will have to heal me, or I'll have to skip a heal on the tank to heal myself... and that's a road I don't go down. |
| 23:04.57 | Dagmar | If there's two healers, hopwfully they're watching out for each other |
| 23:05.03 | Dagmar | World won't end if one has to move |
| 23:05.31 | foxlit | So you might heal *a* cast. |
| 23:05.38 | foxlit | er. |
| 23:05.43 | foxlit | So you might finish *a* cast. |
| 23:06.14 | foxlit | You would perhaps also wait for the tank to be out of any immediate danger with boss short-term abilities. |
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| 23:06.37 | Dagmar | ...or give the unsquishable hunters their day in the sun. :) |
| 23:06.45 | Lopeppeppy | No, because I would not be the only healer. I'd say, "Ladayne needs to move, XHealer cover for me a second" |
| 23:06.47 | Dagmar | Distracting Shot + Deterrence |
| 23:07.04 | Lopeppeppy | That's why Vent is awesome. |
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| 23:07.11 | foxlit | If someone is covering for you, they might as well be healing you. |
| 23:07.16 | Lopeppeppy | No. |
| 23:07.18 | Dagmar | Stuff like that is why I wish you could castsequence emotes |
| 23:07.20 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 23:07.36 | Lopeppeppy | If the DPS shaman is covering for me for 2 seconds while I move, he should not be thinking about healing me. |
| 23:07.57 | Lopeppeppy | Do not create cascades of entitlement. "I'm not moving, someone else will heal me" is a dangerous fallacy |
| 23:07.58 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.01 | Dagmar | er /flex |
| 23:08.21 | foxlit | You're saying that there are no situations where the cost of moving outweighs the benefit of moving. |
| 23:08.22 | jnwhiteh | Archaron.. |
| 23:08.23 | jnwhiteh | so boring. |
| 23:08.58 | Lopeppeppy | foxlit, I did not ever say that. |
| 23:08.58 | foxlit | It's the inevitable conclusion of this line of reasoning. |
| 23:08.58 | Lopeppeppy | No, it's not. |
| 23:08.58 | Dagmar | No, it's the argumentum ad ridiculum |
| 23:09.54 | Dagmar | If you can see yourself ina fire, you can probably see the other people in a fire |
| 23:10.24 | Dagmar | If I can juggle five freaking cooldowns and still keep an eye on the healer, I think healers can probably watch carefully for each other to facilitate "finish the cast, then haul ass away" |
| 23:11.25 | Dagmar | It's not like any of these area denial techniques the bosses use involve really big areas (like Heigan) |
| 23:12.44 | foxlit | It doesn't really have to tie into any particular mechanic. |
| 23:13.04 | foxlit | Sometimes, the best course of action involves an action that would appear stupid in the short-term. |
| 23:14.07 | foxlit | "Do I stand in the fire?" "No, that's stupid!" "Hey, but what if..." "No, that never happens." |
| 23:14.41 | Shirik | wasn't there a fight where you HAD to stand in the fire? |
| 23:14.51 | Shirik | I think there wasw |
| 23:15.03 | foxlit | There are fights where you have to stand in things. |
| 23:15.07 | foxlit | But those things are rarely fires. |
| 23:15.18 | Dagmar | Positive holes, negative holes... |
| 23:15.29 | foxlit | Anti-magic shields. |
| 23:15.35 | Dagmar | ...oh and the arc welding debuff just to drive us all mad |
| 23:15.42 | Shirik | I really think there was some kind of fire :/ |
| 23:16.00 | Dagmar | If they ever make any beneficial death oreos I'm screwed |
| 23:17.22 | Dagmar | I know what would probably train people better. |
| 23:17.34 | Dagmar | Make an addon that drains DKP from based on environmental damage |
| 23:17.52 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, nice. |
| 23:18.15 | Dagmar | Just the threat of that would make a lot of people pay more attention I think |
| 23:18.17 | Lopeppeppy | We did dock DKP from people who were deliberately standing in damage-areas. Pissed 'em right off. Made the healers happy. |
| 23:20.13 | Lopeppeppy | I admit to taking a hardline stance, requiring raid members to be aware of the extra work they cause for others, and not do those things just because it's "more fun" or "we can handle this". |
| 23:20.41 | Lopeppeppy | It's more fun for me to watch people die and take screenshots of their death poses, but no one lets me do that. |
| 23:23.48 | Dagmar | This would be one of the reasons I like ToC pugs. Hehe |
| 23:24.02 | Dagmar | Pink haired gnomes look so nice, dead in the green poison |
| 23:25.15 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 23:25.29 | Shirik | hiiiiiiii Lopeppeppy |
| 23:25.39 | Shirik | transfer to horde please |
| 23:26.00 | cbreak | on my server, there are people who use corpses of female humans to form letters in front of the IF and SW Auction House |
| 23:26.16 | cbreak | it's perverse... |
| 23:27.30 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy doesn't talk to me anymore :( |
| 23:32.53 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Shirik. I was petting the new cat, she takes a lot of lovin'. |
| 23:33.02 | Shirik | cat > shirik |
| 23:33.04 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:33.17 | Lopeppeppy | When it's either pet her or have her knock the laptop off the bed... yeah.... |
| 23:33.31 | Shirik | I should become a cat |
| 23:33.49 | Shirik | Totally, totally random question |
| 23:34.08 | Shirik | We all know the age-old question "is there other intelligent life in the universe?" |
| 23:34.42 | Lopeppeppy | She hasn't had a human of her own in over 2 years, she deserves a little mommy-time. |
| 23:34.56 | Shirik | I'm on the side of "yes" simply because I think it's unthinkable that in teh infinite amount of space, only one instance of the situations necessary to create life could have occurred |
| 23:35.13 | Shirik | I would like to rephrase the question slightly, though |
| 23:35.26 | Shirik | Here's an interesting question to consider |
| 23:35.44 | Shirik | Assuming there is other intelligent lifeforms out there, do they know of OUR existence? |
| 23:35.48 | Shirik | Now that's fun to think about |
| 23:36.52 | foxlit | is it now? :) |
| 23:36.53 | Seerah | who do you think beams people away and probles them? |
| 23:37.01 | Seerah | *probes |
| 23:37.09 | Shirik | I think that's a load of crap :P |
| 23:37.34 | Dagmar | Alien perverts |
| 23:37.49 | Dagmar | Sensible sentient life capable of interstellar travel is probably giving us a wide berth for good reason |
| 23:38.01 | Seerah | *nod* |
| 23:38.05 | Shirik | ow |
| 23:38.11 | Shirik | too many large words |
| 23:38.28 | Seerah | or maybe it's like on Star Trek, where if a planet hasn't discovered "alien" life yet, you're not allowed to make yourself known to them |
| 23:38.37 | Shirik | exactly, that's really where this is coming from |
| 23:38.44 | Dagmar | That would be the same answer actually. |
| 23:38.54 | Seerah | Dagmar: not necessarily :p |
| 23:39.09 | Lopeppeppy | If they are intelligent, they've come to the same conclusion: There must be other forms of life out there! |
| 23:39.12 | Dagmar | They have that First Contact thing becasue rather frequently until a race has figured out how to do it themselves, they're paranoid and heavily armed |
| 23:39.18 | Seerah | they could just be avoiding us cause they want nothing to do with us ;) |
| 23:39.18 | foxlit | So unless they found you, you're supposed to be hiding from them? |
| 23:39.22 | foxlit | Practical, I see. |
| 23:40.00 | Dagmar | Like, if you've seen the new Day The Earth Stood Still, it's hard to argue that it wouldn't go down just like that |
| 23:40.16 | Shirik | Dagmar, an alternative analysis suggests that it would be unsafe to stimulate technology/evolution prematurely |
| 23:40.29 | Shirik | outside of the natural progression of a civilization |
| 23:40.50 | Dagmar | We're already paranoid and violent enough |
| 23:41.03 | Shirik | You know what's scary |
| 23:41.11 | Shirik | we already posess the technology to destroy the entire planet |
| 23:41.20 | Dagmar | Yes, I do. |
| 23:41.21 | Shirik | in a matter of minutes |
| 23:42.10 | Dagmar | Well, it might take a few weeks to get the thing built right |
| 23:42.37 | Shirik | Well look at the LHC |
| 23:42.47 | Seerah | light's hope chapel? |
| 23:42.53 | Shirik | ... |
| 23:42.55 | Dagmar | Large Hadron Collider |
| 23:42.57 | Shirik | Large Hadron Collider |
| 23:42.58 | Seerah | :D |
| 23:43.03 | Dagmar | Amusingly, that's the same device which wiped out everything in Lexx |
| 23:43.31 | Shirik | I'm not saying I don't trust the LHC |
| 23:43.36 | Shirik | I know they have a ton of safety mechanisms in place |
| 23:43.39 | *** join/#wowuidev vithos (i=vith@unaffiliated/vithos) |
| 23:43.39 | Dagmar | THe one in the show was jsut a little more mobile than ours |
| 23:43.50 | Shirik | but if they didn't have them there, we certainly have the technology to do it |
| 23:43.58 | Dagmar | Shirik: Frankly, I'd rather they be patient and do that far out in space |
| 23:44.05 | *** join/#wowuidev BWMerlin (n=chatzill@58.174.148.250) |
| 23:44.20 | Shirik | It's funny though |
| 23:44.28 | Shirik | it goes back to Star Trek again |
| 23:44.32 | Shirik | "The Omega Particle" |
| 23:44.36 | Dagmar | 'cuz they're hard scifi |
| 23:44.37 | Shirik | very interesting topic |
| 23:46.33 | Lopeppeppy | Blow up Pluto first, says I. |
| 23:46.46 | Shirik | yeah, it's not a planet anymore |
| 23:46.49 | Shirik | it's not important |
| 23:46.55 | Seerah | yeah, it's not a planet anymore... (stupid downdragin............) |
| 23:47.04 | Shirik | I win! |
| 23:47.15 | Torhal | Shirik: I clearly pressed the FAIL button! |
| 23:47.16 | Seerah | I was typing (stupid downgrading pluto stuff) |
| 23:47.21 | Seerah | sighs |
| 23:47.40 | Seerah | ~clap Shirik |
| 23:47.48 | Seerah | ... |
| 23:47.50 | Dagmar | ...which makes it ripe for getting it condemned and then bought on the cheap to set up the Higgs-Boson test, shove the thing out of the plane of the ecliptic and off into deep space, and THEN run the test |
| 23:48.38 | Shirik | let's see |
| 23:48.47 | Shirik | at current rates of travel, how quickly could we reach pluto? |
| 23:49.37 | Dagmar | If you'd like to survive ti the question is currently "How quickly can we get halfway to Pluto" |
| 23:50.22 | Dagmar | When that question becomes irrelevant, it'll probably change to "how many 9v duracells does it take to get to Pluto" |
| 23:50.31 | Seerah | 1 |
| 23:51.15 | Shirik | "At closest, Pluto is a mere 4.3 billion km away from Earth. At its furthest, 7.528 billion km." |
| 23:51.30 | Shirik | the question is not really survivability |
| 23:51.33 | Dagmar | So, a long time if we take _my_ car |
| 23:51.44 | Seerah | who's driving? |
| 23:51.54 | Shirik | I would argue the mission to be carried out by autonomous vehicles |
| 23:52.15 | Seerah | you and your robots.... |
| 23:52.22 | Dagmar | Of course |
| 23:52.27 | Shirik | Assuming we use a slingshot approach, the current space shuttle could go there at 17,580 mph |
| 23:53.46 | *** part/#wowuidev cncfanatics (n=cncfanat@WoWUIDev/cncfanatics) |
| 23:53.50 | Shirik | (2.67189613*10^9)/17580/24/365 |
| 23:53.53 | Dagmar | Mark Pauline has a toe for a thumb |
| 23:53.54 | Shirik | lua> (2.67189613*10^9)/17580/24/365 |
| 23:53.54 | lua_bot | Shirik: 17.349884740858 |
| 23:53.56 | Dagmar | wrong chan |
| 23:53.58 | Shirik | 17 years |
| 23:54.12 | Shirik | That's actually surprisingly good |
| 23:54.27 | Shirik | We could arguably go faster with a vessel designed to actually make that trip |
| 23:55.35 | Dagmar | I say wait for Google Travel. |
| 23:55.42 | ScytheBlade1 | How do you get the size of ... again? I can't remember for some reason -.- |
| 23:56.26 | Yssaril | ScytheBlade1: select('#', ...) i think |
| 23:56.28 | Shirik | select('#', ...) |
| 23:56.31 | Lopeppeppy | new cat is weird, she doesn't mind washcloth baths |
| 23:56.36 | ScytheBlade1 | ah yes select |
| 23:56.48 | Dagmar | Lopeppeppy: God has smiled upon you this day |
| 23:57.17 | Lopeppeppy | seriously, and upon my allergies |
| 23:57.29 | Seerah | Lopeppeppy: she wants the attention |
| 23:57.36 | Dagmar | It would be easier if they'd take wet baths, but cats like that you don't turn your back on |
| 23:57.53 | Dagmar | They're unnatural |
| 23:58.10 | Lopeppeppy | she does, seerah, she's desperate for love |
| 23:58.15 | roastx | cats clean themselves well anyway |
| 23:58.26 | Dagmar | roastx: NEver had a kitten, have you? |
| 23:58.39 | roastx | ya |
| 23:58.39 | Lopeppeppy | she's been in an e-collar for a month, roastx |
| 23:58.46 | Dagmar | They almost invariably go through a phase where they're too big for mom to clean, but too busy playing to do it themselves. |
| 23:58.50 | Dagmar | The "pigpen" phase |
| 23:59.14 | Dagmar | One dunking bath generally solves it, and at that size the bleeding isn't too bad |
| 23:59.18 | roastx | was living with 3 people though maybe someone else cleaned it |
| 23:59.39 | Dagmar | If you got the kitten from someone else it was probably past it |
| 23:59.53 | roastx | naw they were fresh kittens |
| 23:59.54 | Lopeppeppy | damp washcloth does wonders for keeping my allergies down |
