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03:07.56*** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.2.x ToC: 30200 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | "GOD DAMNIT WHY DO ALL MY THREADS ABOUT SRS BSRNZ GET ROLLED?" - Adys || Happy Birthday Internet!!!
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03:16.00Torhaldigmouse: You didn't know? It's AddIns and PlugOns.
03:16.04Torhalcackles.
03:17.11digmousewhispers to Torhal: "keep the secret between us.... shhhhhh"
03:21.04Arrowmasterhttp://stackoverflow.com/questions/1024960/how-do-you-make-a-combo-of-two-emotes-in-lua-in-world-of-warcraft-work
03:21.07Arrowmasteroh god
03:21.48Arrowmasterthe chosen answer is from somebody that only knows lua it seems and has no knowledge at all of the wow api
03:22.41TorhalThat must be deleted immediately.
03:23.36TorhalIf only because it says "I am using Wow Addon Studio"
03:25.22DagmarTell him he might want to scan for viruses
03:25.42ArrowmasterTorhal: did you see the one wobin first linked?
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03:28.37TorhalArrowmaster: Yah, where the chosen answer was basically "Download a bunch of different clients"
03:28.52Arrowmasterand others linked to addonstudio
03:28.55TorhalHehe
03:29.07Shirikit's very awkward to find a bug in a console game...
03:29.20ArrowmasterShirik: i find them all the time
03:29.52Arrowmasterconsole game development took a nose dive in quality when patches could be pushed to consoles from the internet
03:30.44Shirika valid point
03:30.47Shiriksad, but valid
03:32.08cog|awaystill can't get over win7 paint's defaulting to png
03:32.49cogwheel(among other improvements)
03:33.19tekkubdid they fix notepad?
03:36.22cogwheelnot really... but wordpad got a ribbon...
03:36.54cogwheeland calc is <3
03:37.07Arrowmasterwhat did they do to calc?
03:37.23cogwheelit's got four modes, adding programmer and statistics
03:37.54cogwheelplus some more easily accessible utilities (unit conversions, time/date arithmetic, etc)
03:37.59Shirikcalc is indeed <3
03:38.10Shirikpaint I'm still kinda meh about
03:38.11cogwheels/y a/y-a/
03:38.18cogwheelohai purl!
03:38.35Arrowmastermy calc has 5 modes
03:39.19cogwheelone less thing to install :P
03:39.40Arrowmasterunit conversions should always be done using google
03:40.01cogwheelyeah i still have that habit ... especially since i almost always have a chrome window visible
03:40.52kd3hot damn, that was quick. .29's already been built for fedora
03:40.52Arrowmasterwell google also does unit and ratio conversion at the same time
03:41.20Arrowmasterkd3: you said you use Xfce right?
03:41.25kd3yar
03:41.38Arrowmasterstill need to try that
03:42.38Arrowmasteri cant believe im about to install azureus, deluge has failed me on seeding
03:43.01cogwheelutorrent?
03:43.14kd3how's that? the default queue options are usually sane
03:43.16Arrowmaster1. i wont touch anything owned by bittorrent.com
03:43.25Arrowmaster2. utorrent is win only
03:44.02NightHawkTheSanetransmission. ;)
03:44.16Arrowmasteri had like 10 torrents marked as available for seeding and it was only seeding one of them that had 1 peer
03:45.25Arrowmasterplus i dont like how you cant change the seeding priority for torrents
03:45.29temI hate the faction champions fight so much
03:55.45bleeterhttp://gizmodo.com/5351239/the-most-distant-oldest-black-hole-in-the-universe-still-runs-in-8+bits
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03:56.59wobinbleeter: that's the most uninformative article ever =P
03:57.08wobinfilter out the drivel and you get one statement =P
03:57.13bleeterwobin: tis rather win, ain't it? :)
03:58.24Arrowmasterwheres that image comparing online news now to 10 years ago
03:58.34cogwheelhttp://bit.ly/11cKkS <-- vote me up so i get necromancer badge! =D
03:58.53cogwheel(or don't if i'm wrong ><)
03:59.00Arrowmasteryou are wrong
03:59.41bleeterwobin: http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009/09/free-to-air-tv-to-launch-a-vod-service-for-tvs-next-year/
03:59.42Arrowmasterthe problem is that theres no delay between them
04:13.00wobinbleeter: eeeeeiiinteresting
04:14.54wobinArrowmaster: so how does /chicken/chicken/chicken/chicken/chicken/chicken work?
04:15.11Arrowmasterit only does one animation
04:16.25Arrowmasteronly one animation can play at a time, but the sit animation overrides any already playing one which is why that script would sit even though sit was in the middle of it
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04:35.28TorhalArrowmaster: ktorrent is a bit glitchy but has been working fine for me - even does RSS.
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04:42.56TorhalAgony,
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04:43.00kd3and it's not done yet
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04:44.18kd3that everyone?
04:44.22|Yssaril|141 in channel sounds about right
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04:45.17kd3there we go
04:45.18kd3whee
04:45.18|Yssaril|spoke to soon :)
04:45.18bleeterwho let you in??
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04:47.10kd3yay! .29 fixes the stupid focus-in-fullscreen bug
04:47.10kd3and gasp again, a patch that'll get .net 3.0 installed?
04:48.12tekkubwell bum
04:48.12tekkubThe Cleveland Show was kinda meh
04:48.31tekkubbut it has a bear, so I have to watch it
04:53.42joeymarxWhat does 1658826752 mean in "|cffffffff|Hitem:2996:0:0:0:0:0:0:1658826752:1|h[Bolt of Linen Cloth]|h|r" returned by GetAuctionItemLink()?
04:54.06joeymarxthat number isn't unique per auction but it almost is
04:54.38joeymarxI'm looking for the most simple way to assign unique id's to auctions
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05:02.50Yssariljoeymarx: do you need to store this info across sessions or jsut while you are at the AH?
05:03.00joeymarxsessions
05:03.07Yssarilno idea then :P
05:03.52Yssarilyou could do a combination of who posted it when it times out and what the price is
05:04.02joeymarxthat number almost does it I can fake it by combining it with some other details and be unique 99% of the time
05:05.51joeymarxI have no clue what that number if though so I'm not sure it won't change randomly (though I haven't noticed that yet)
05:06.32Yssariljoeymarx: http://www.wowwiki.com/ItemString <-- check under the Unique IDs section
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05:21.13wobinjoeymarx: just use that number plus a timestamp prefix of when the scan was taken
05:21.48Kraps"My God, my love for you is overwhelming. It consumes me, enthralls me, numbs me. Every moment of the day, I want to pull myself to you, inside and out, fill myself with your presence, like a soul to music. K "
05:21.52Krapswat
05:22.40wobinsomeone like... -likes- you, Kraps =)
05:23.06Krapshehe naw saw that on craigslist
05:23.25wobinIs it to a person, or just a religiouslike prayer?
05:23.49Kraps"missed connections" category
05:24.07wobincreepy =)
05:24.10Krapsnot addressed to anyone
05:24.34wobinThe followup would be ".... and it puts the lotion on it's skin, or it gets the hose again..."
05:24.44Krapslmao
05:25.34Kraps"I got on the train at around 3:30 and saw your hugely obese body sitting across from me. You had on a black polo shirt and black jeans and had to weigh a good 300. Every time you nodded off to sleep I would catch a look of that fat protruding off every side of you. I think you knew I was staring at you. Can I take you out to dinner, piggy? "
05:25.49Krapsm4m no less
05:37.02wobinKraps: somewhat disturbing no matter the genders involved =P
05:37.17Krapsthis is true
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05:40.53Krapsnight
05:42.17Shirikyou know, there's one thing I can't stand about star ocean's combat mechanism
05:42.47ShirikWhen you do certain a certain complex ability known as a "blindside" it slows down and makes it all dramatic and such; that's cool
05:43.13ShirikWhen you fuck it up, it still slows down, shows the monster with a "!" over his head so you KNOW you fucked up, and then you get to watch yourself basically run into your enemy's sword in slow motion
05:43.17Shiriklike the game is laughing at you
05:44.08Jerubchortling most heartily.
05:44.09Jerub:D
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05:59.59Shirik!
06:00.00ShirikI hate you so much
06:00.03ShirikI did it again :(
06:01.01Cairennhugs Shirik
06:01.13Cairenns'okay Shirik, I love you anyway
06:02.07ShirikI'm administering a quiz to my students tomorrow
06:02.20Shirikso far 5/20 have actually read the stuff I posted to prepare them for it
06:02.26Shirikthis should be interesting
06:02.33kd3so those 5 pass the rest get a zero?
06:02.38nevcairielDidnt you say tomorrow yesterday already? oh wait, you probably didnt sleep yet
06:02.41kd3do it... you know you want to
06:02.48ShirikWell, today I guess nevcairiel
06:02.53Shirikyes I haven't slept yet :)
06:02.55JerubShirik: given an AP of 12000 and a crit of 40%, is it better to put +1 into Str or Agi? Show working, assume patch 3.2.
06:03.08Shirik><
06:03.14JerubShirik: ;)
06:03.27Thunder_Childone of these days Shirik, i will fly down there just to sit in on one of your classes
06:03.34nevcairielha
06:04.01Shirikwhy :(
06:04.31nevcairielanyone happen to know how i can set the default size of the xfce4 terminal windows? <.<
06:04.31Thunder_Childi want to either be ammused or horrified
06:07.35kd3you want something other than 80x24?
06:07.36kd3pokes
06:07.58ShirikThunder_Child, what makes you think you would either be amused or horrified :(
06:08.36Thunder_ChildShirik, High Int, Low Wis.
06:08.51Shiriksighs
06:09.04Thunder_Childi see you understand me
06:09.48Shirikwis++?
06:10.23Jerubnevcairiel: I wonder if .Xdefaults will help...
06:10.38JerubI use launchpad.net/hate for terminal, so i'd just change the code.
06:10.42nevcairielI found the .application file and just pass a --geometry now
06:11.28Thunder_ChildShirik, hmm?
06:11.42Shirikwis++ because I understand now!
06:11.56Thunder_Childdoesnt quite work like that
06:12.03Shirik:(
06:12.48Thunder_Childflorida hmmm...i do have a teacher friend that goes down that way rather often....
06:12.48Shirikinc dead repo
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06:13.28nevcairielFreenode seems pretty unstable this morning
06:14.40Shirikit's night!
06:14.40nevcairielits 8am
06:14.40nevcairielshush
06:14.56wobinelementary, my dear watson
06:15.41Jerubit's 4pm
06:16.46wobinWhere are you located, Jerub?
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06:19.16Jerubbrisbane
06:19.27Jerubalso, dath'remar horde, caelstraz alliance.
06:19.28Jerub;)
06:19.47DagmarOooo he's bi-factional
06:20.43Jerubbecause we all know one faction is clearly superior to the other, and we should all hate the inferior one
06:21.08DagmarWell, Horde seem to have a serious problem with it.
06:21.11nevcairielSo you play both and can hate on yourself?
06:21.20DagmarWe Alliance players know there's nothing wrong with them that a little soap can't fix
06:21.24Dagmar;)
06:21.41Dagmarhorde: "MUST KILL ALLIANCE!  RAWR!"
06:21.45DagmarAlliance: "YAY LOOT!"
06:21.46wobinnah
06:21.54wobinhorde: God, those alliance leaders are creepy.
06:21.59wobinalliance: ... I have to agree.
06:22.02Dagmaryes.
06:22.08DagmarI do agree.
06:22.23DagmarVarian is a d*ck.
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06:22.32kd3eesh. kubrick is all kinds of broken
06:22.32wobinfor what's nominally the 'good' side, you have some really horrible leaders
06:22.35Dagmar"I do not have time for this foolishness!"
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06:22.58wobinNot even wrathgate could get me to feel any sympathy for Varian
06:23.15nevcairielFor being the bad guys, thrall is pretty much a sissi :P
06:23.15DagmarI would so like if he could hear me saying "Then shut the eff up and let Jaina run things you ponce."
06:23.15DagmarThrall is *not* a sissy
06:23.19kd3nevcairiel, if you haven't already gotten an answer yet, Terminal --geometry 80x40
06:23.24DagmarHe's just interested in civilization-building
06:23.25wobindo wrathgate hordeside, and you'll see how much of a sissy he is =)
06:23.30nevcairielyeah i did that, kd3
06:23.33wobin(ie, not at all =P)
06:23.48nevcairielwobin, my highest horde char was lvl 10 or so
06:24.23DagmarThat bit in Old Hillsbrad, half my guildmates never played WC3 or FT so they thought he was just out of control
06:24.46DagmarIf the targets weren't so mean it took piles of us to bring them down, I'd have been racing him to kill everyone
06:24.47wobinvarian's performance in wrathgate reminds me kinda of this: http://sloblogs.thetribunenews.com/shelikestowatch/files/2008/07/batman-panel.JPG
06:24.50kd3afaik there's no pref to do it, which is grr
06:24.52DagmarBetrayal all OVER the place
06:25.34DagmarThe kid didn't do much as regent, but at least he wasn't a prat
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06:26.31DagmarFrankly, if there werent' a race change involved, I wouldn't mind working for/with Thrall
06:26.42nevcairielmansomeone fix freenode already!
06:26.49Dagmar...btu then I was also kinda irked that I wasn't allowed to keep working for Arthas as a DK
06:26.54DagmarWe had a lot of shared interests.  :)
06:26.54wobinVarian vs Garrosh, full out grudge match
06:26.54kd3get off kubrick
06:26.57kd3it's all kinds of broken
06:27.00wobinEveryone wins
06:27.06Dagmarwobin: especially if Varian dies
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06:27.22DagmarI'm sure Jaina would just res him, but maybe it would take him down a peg
06:27.28wobinThey'd both gnaw each other's limbs off
06:27.38wobinit would be great
06:27.58Dagmar...and I think it's worthy of mention that NO ONE seems to be cool with Sylvanas
06:28.00DagmarHehe
06:28.15wobinThrall would probably leave Garrosh dead for a bit, as an object lesson not to take the spirits lightly =P
06:28.23DagmarAgreed
06:28.29Arrowmaster`cataclysm needs to introduce a new faction, for all races that get fed up with the alliance and horde and just want to follow thrall and jaina
06:28.37DagmarThat would rock
06:28.40wobinFanboi Faction
06:28.43DagmarCuz frankly, I would
06:28.47Arrowmaster`me too
06:28.50DagmarThey're both _leaders_
06:28.53Arrowmaster`and why am i Arrowmaster`
06:28.59CodayusI liked the humans in warcraft 3 a lot more than in wow
06:29.04wobinWell Thrall's no longer going to be leader of the horde
06:29.05DagmarYep.  I can see that
06:29.06CodayusSpeaking of getting all sissified.
06:29.19Dagmarwobin: Yeah I would be wanting to do something about that, personally
06:29.32CodayusVarian is trying, but he seems out of his league.
06:29.48DagmarVarian appears to just be an entitled jerk
06:29.49wobinAs someone who has a lot of tauren players, I'm saddened by the events for the Catyclysm
06:30.07JerubI've found there are anti-the-other-side zealots on both horde and alliance.
06:30.11Dagmarwobin: Are they outlawing milking machines?
06:30.19nevcairiellol
06:30.20wobinThey're killing off Cairne!
06:30.21Jeruband also, that there are people who have toons on both on both horde and alliance and can't see what the big deal is.
06:30.27CodayusHeh
06:30.29wobin=(
06:30.33wobinPoor Cairne
06:30.36DagmarThey're killing Bloodhoof?
06:30.42wobinit's not like he -does- anything
06:30.46DagmarThat's nasty buisness, that
06:30.48wobin(aside from getting ganked by alliance a lot)
06:31.03CodayusI'm not into the factionalism, I just think that from an overall lore/story arc, the humans were cooler in warcraft 3
06:31.04DagmarYeah, but Cairne's another civilization-builder-type
06:31.34DagmarYeah, there's a degree to which the human bloodline has thinned a bit since the split with Arthas
06:31.54DagmarBad crap happened to the best of them, and what's left doesn't quite have the chops for it
06:32.15Arrowmasterthe humans that do arent part of the alliance anyway
06:33.50CodayusAnd, more generally, there's too many good guys/civ builders around, and not enough double dealing plotters, schemers, and traitors.  :-/
06:33.50DagmarWhat?  You mean those pr*cks holed up in their city?
06:33.50nevcairielThey need more people like morgraine, etc
06:33.50CodayusIf anything, there was more of that at launch than now, what with the defias, onyxia, some of the early orc quests with burning blade cultists...
06:33.50Arrowmasterwhich morgraine?
06:34.17nevcairielbefore he got corrupted =P
06:34.17DagmarWithout civilization-builders, you don't get advanced civilizations, which is where the best pillaging is at.
06:34.17JerubDagmar: I like the way you think.
06:34.17Arrowmasterso the father?
06:34.17Dagmar<-- dwarf to the core
06:34.17nevcairielyeah, the original ashbringer
06:34.17DagmarAlas!  What cool things will there be for future generations to dig up and play with!
06:34.17CodayusYeah, but does EVERY faction have to be the misunderstood yet noble heroes?  (Excepting Varian, since as mentioned, he's just a try hard.)
06:34.40DagmarCodayus: Because people don't think so well when they're pissed off I think
06:34.43DagmarLike what his face with the portals
06:34.50DagmarWhat was he THINKING bringing those orcs over anyway
06:34.55DagmarThey seemed fine where they were
06:35.03Arrowmasteryou mean sargaras?
06:35.19DagmarI thougth his name started with an M or something
06:35.30Dagmar<-- ranged attacker, can't read names at that distance
06:35.51CodayusWhat Bliz needs to do - since they seem happy to steal from from the warhammer universe anyhow - is ninja some of the overall feel and maybe some minor supporting characters from the humans of W40K.
06:36.05Arrowmastermedivh, corrupted by the spirit of sargaras
06:36.13DagmarAh so THAT's what was going on there
06:36.36kd3go read the last guardian
06:36.39DagmarI just always thought he was a little too happy to open portals just because he could
06:36.46nevcairielits not even clear if medivh is still alive in WoW right now
06:36.46Jerubimho, what wow blizz needs to do is introduce 80 man raids, made up of 40 alliance and 40 horde toons. ;)
06:36.55Jerubgoes back to plotting the destruction of humanity.
06:37.15Arrowmasteryeah read the wowwiki pages on medivh, aegwynn, and the guardians of tirisfal
06:37.35Arrowmastersince apparently thrall is going to be the new guardian
06:37.38DagmarIsn't Aegwynn a dragon?
06:37.42Arrowmasterno
06:37.43nevcairielno
06:37.44kd3no
06:37.48Jerubyes
06:37.53kd3arrow; whuh?
06:37.56kd3where'd you hear that?
06:37.57DagmarIt would help if they didn't spend so much time meddling in humaniform
06:37.58wobinok
06:37.59Arrowmastershes one of jaina's handmaidens
06:38.04nevcairielaegwynn is the mother of medivh
06:38.05wobinWhat about Elune
06:38.09nevcairieland the guardian before medivh
06:38.11wobinwtf was up with her and the worgen?
06:38.22Dagmarwobin: "Tough love"
06:38.37wobinDruid: "Hey Elune! I need to cleanse this forest!"
06:38.52Arrowmasterand currently hiding as one of jaine's handmaidens and a member of the new council of tirisfal
06:39.21wobinElune: "Sure! Here's a staff that can UNLEASH TERRIBLE DARK HORDES while you do it. Have fun!"
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06:39.54wobinDruid: "Yay!"
06:39.54DagmarElune was looking to take some navel-staring humans down a peg
06:40.14kd3wait, wait... I missed a step somewhere. aegwynn didn't have anyting to do with the worgen
06:40.28Arrowmaster<wobin> What about Elune
06:40.33Arrowmasterblaim wobin
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06:40.47kd3ah
06:41.30nevcairielElune is a god, not like you'll ever know wtf they do or don't do
06:42.01Arrowmasterhow many gods are there besides elune?
06:42.09kd3outside of the old gods?
06:42.15Arrowmasteryeah not counting them
06:42.23theorbtwonevcairiel: Yeah, but she's one of those noob gods.
06:43.02kd3that's something we need to work on, actually. I'd point at [[Religion]] and go from there
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06:43.33kd3or [[Eternal]], for that matter
06:43.34nevcairielThere is An'she from tauren mythology, the counterpart to elune, god of the sun
06:44.10DagmarI think you're missing hte important thing
06:44.17theorbtwowonders if The Light counts as a deity.
06:44.24DagmarElune is one of those gods who don't treat us mortals like idiot stepchildren.
06:44.30ArrowmasterOf the beings listed here, Elune is considered the only "true god/goddess of Azeroth".WoWRPG 71 S&L 71, 80
06:44.38Dagmar...or worse still, like rotted aberrations.
06:44.41Arrowmasterfrom the Eternal page
06:44.46Thunder_Childthen elune was the only one who was wrong
06:45.01Arrowmastertheorbtwo: The Light is just the damn Narru
06:45.10kd3halfheartedly wishes he could purge all of the RPG info from the wiki
06:45.13DagmarThunder_Child: Yes, this is also probably a large part of the reason we're not raiding Elune for loot
06:45.14Arrowmasterseriously where the fuck are they at
06:45.16nevcairiel"Elune is the only formal god/goddess known at the moment and to date has had no recorded contact with the physical universe"
06:45.20nevcairielsays the wiki
06:45.25temWhere do "gods" like Elune fit with the Naaru and the Titams
06:45.26tem?
06:45.28DagmarArrowmaster: Already been looted
06:45.33kd3tem; good question
06:45.36kd3go yell at metzen
06:45.47nevcairieltitans are only considered demigods
06:45.51theorbtwoArrowmaster: Two things.  First off, there's more then just Azeroth in the game.  Secondly, the only true god/godess of Azeroth according to whom?
06:46.12theorbtwoArrowmaster: Thanks.  Didn't realize that.
06:46.34Arrowmasterwe kill all the things threatening outland and come back to goto northrend and the damn Narru are just sitting around in outland and IQD
06:46.58DagmarWe're done there.
06:47.08Arrowmastertheorbtwo: according to the WoWRPG 71 S&L 71, 80
06:47.17Arrowmasteras i copied, its a link on the wowwiki page
06:47.59theorbtwoArrowmaster: Er, yes, but from whose point of view is that?  It says "considered", which implies that it's from a certian point of view.
06:48.34DagmarThe people writing the history books.
06:48.37Dagmari.e., dwarves.
06:48.46kd3s/dwarves/brann/
06:49.04nevcairielBrann just writes down what he hears in the Halls of Stone from that computer thing =P
06:49.33DagmarI love playing "Defend the dwarf"
06:49.47Jerubincidentally, what does 'QQ' mean?
06:49.52Dagmar"crying eyes"
06:49.54kd3^
06:49.58DagmarIt's an asian emoticon
06:50.07Jerubooh, right.
06:50.16theorbtwoAlso, "just quit already", from the old-school warcraft command, alt-q, q.
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07:07.32Jerubthanks
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07:17.43Aquaanyone need a raiding mage on their server, thats ina guild thats not crap..
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07:47.51wobingoddamnit
07:48.08wobinyour misspelling of "Titans" to "Titams" has me craving Timtams
07:48.59bleeteroO
07:49.13bleeteroh yay offpeak restarts for oceania again
07:49.13DagmarSo learn to make them
07:49.17nevcairielwasnt that like an hour ago
07:49.18bleeter'sif anyone beleives them
07:49.30bleeternevcairiel: timtam craving can last for days
07:49.38bleeterif you've never had 'em, you can't possibly understand
07:49.42nevcairieli dont even know what timtam is
07:49.52bleeterbest chocolate biscuit on the planet
07:49.53nevcairieli bet some australian thing
07:49.57DagmarThe europeans like their cookies.
07:50.32wobinyou cannot -make- timtams =(
07:50.42wobinyou cna only purchase and consume them
07:50.43nevcairielsomeone *has to* make them
07:50.59nevcairielit really is an australian thing
07:51.05wobintimtams leap fully formed from god's forehead
07:51.09DagmarIf you were any good in high school chemistry, confections are easy
07:51.10bleeter^^
07:51.17bleeteramen, brother wobin
07:51.34DagmarUse the power of science!
07:52.00bleeterwobin: you want in on this book I'm running on whether oceanic realms will get offpeak restarts tonight as promised?
07:52.14wobinbleeter: I no longer play on an Oceanic realm
07:52.22wobinas I've found it make very little difference overall =P
07:52.28Cairennfound timtams in a local store! Now I know what you guys are talking about when you mention them. They /are/ yummy!
07:52.36tekkubaw bum
07:52.42tekkubI want to use faction change
07:52.45bleeterCairenn: :)
07:52.50tekkubbut I don't want to be forced into a shitty race
07:52.52wobinzomg, clearly your local store is a haven of wonders =)
07:52.58tekkubwtb new race-class combos
07:53.05wobintekkub: what are you forced into?
07:53.09bleeterCairenn: next step, Leatherwood Honey ;)
07:53.13bleetertekkub: yes
07:53.15tekkubnot tauren or orc
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07:53.22nevcairielwobin, he just wants a worgen, noaw!
07:53.23Cairennbleeter: oookay
07:53.25wobinwhat class are you?
07:53.29Cairennbleeter: should I ask? ;)
07:53.38wobinnevcairiel: he won't mind being forced on a worgen =P
07:53.39tekkubpriest pally
07:53.48bleeterCairenn:  http://www.leatherwoodhoney.com.au/
07:53.51tekkubI have a huntard but I don't want to play him anyway
07:53.54wobintekkub: you'll have to wait til the new combos
07:54.00tekkubwobin: DUH
07:54.04bleeterCairenn: the one TRUE honey
07:54.14wobin(5:54:04 PM) bleeter: Cairenn: the one TRUE honey
07:54.19wobinthat should be in the topic
07:54.29Cairennawwww, thanks wobin
07:54.39tekkubis that site using frames?
07:54.47tekkubwhat is this, 1996?
07:54.50bleeterCairenn: hell, I'd even consider sending you some
07:55.01Cairenn:)
07:55.03bleetertekkub: it's bee keeping family hippy business
07:55.19tekkubthat's not what I asked
07:55.45bleetertekkub: ask a silly question...
07:56.10tekkubget a retarded answer
07:56.27wobinhttp://mybrands.com/Product.aspx?pid=432
07:56.36wobinthat would possibly be shipped closer
07:57.09wobinhehe you could buy a case of 24 or more!
07:57.16bleeterzomg *drool*
07:57.44bleeternow if we could just convince forestry tas to stop chopping down the trees... /sigh
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08:45.06bleeterI wonder if Cataclysm will fix the 'screw up' with Bloodsail rep stuffs
08:45.25bleeterhmm doubtful, now I think about it
08:45.42bleeterI'm still gunna be a bloodsail admiral, and a buncha wrath quests will be unavailable /sigh
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08:51.45industrialwhat screw up
08:51.48EthanCentauraiwhich wrath quests?
08:52.05industrialcan globlins play shaman
08:52.07industrial?
08:52.10EthanCentauraiI'm a Bloodsail Admiral but can quest there normally
08:52.42olafskiyes industrial
08:52.49olafskiall except druid and paladin
08:52.50industrialthen I'm rolling one. :p
08:53.00bleeterEthanCentaurai: the pirate quests in HF, rep is linked to the 'neutral' cities. last I tried, if they're still upset with you, you can't quest them
08:53.01industrialnamed wakkawakka!
08:53.22olafskipirate quests :o
08:53.25bleeterEthanCentaurai: blizz said no classic rep would hurt ability to quest in XPac, this was one instance where it did
08:53.41EthanCentauraiare you Horde or Alliance?
08:54.09foxlitHrm.
08:54.14bleeterthis is on a horde toon, but I don't think that's related is it?
08:54.19EthanCentauraiI didn't have any issues with the pirates
08:54.23EthanCentauraiI'm Alliance atm
08:54.29foxlitI could submit my code jam answers in Lua, or I could spend time messing with other languages.
08:54.32bleeterhad you 'fixed' your rep back?
08:54.37EthanCentauraino
08:54.51EthanCentauraistill hated by the little green men
08:55.02olafskiI didn't even know there are pirate quests in HF.. I think
08:55.03olafskiwhere are they?
08:55.11EthanCentauraiScalawag Point
08:55.16EthanCentauraisouth of Kamagua
08:55.18olafskioh yeah I did those :)
08:55.22olafskicarbonite makes me braindead
08:55.28olafskiI don't look at who gives quests anymore ;)
08:56.26EthanCentauraiwhat's the point of playing if you have an addon to do the playing for you? :/
08:56.41olafskido the *reading for you
08:57.04bleeterEthanCentaurai: might have to go check it again, it had been impossible for me at one stage
08:57.23bleeterEthanCentaurai: I did check a few times, on a number of patches, then gave up
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09:07.56bleeterEthanCentaurai: well, I just flew down there and they're beating on me... oh waiiit...
09:08.27olafskiput on your goblin costume :O
09:08.42EthanCentauraiI just flew there but no-one's attacking me :/
09:12.08bleeterjust checking all the steps before hand... orfus, check...
09:13.07bleeteratuik.. check
09:13.49bleeterpick up street cred, go to silvermoon harry...
09:14.29bleeterwth lol they're friendly if I'm carrying that quest
09:15.27bleeterhaha yeah gotta have that quest in the log and be in the subzone. drop quest and leave subzone, they turn angry again
09:15.30bleeterfails self
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10:51.45Arrowmasterheh i got spam with a subject of "ignoring this = getting ban"
10:52.33olafskibetter respond!
10:56.48Arrowmasterits one of those .cn domains, anything with a .cn domain link in it gets auto trashed
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12:33.29Cruciformer'lo all
12:40.52industrialhai
12:41.33jnwhitehA
12:41.39jnwhitehAnyone good with and want to play with some CSS for me?
12:42.52jnwhitehtrying to get the search button/img to behave and not look retarded: http://wowprogramming.com/template.html
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12:43.49Elkanolet me have a look :)
12:46.24jnwhitehI just want it to sit next to the edit box, but that seems to be asking too much :P
12:48.23Elkanomaybe you should first put it into the form? ;)
12:48.36jnwhitehoh, is it not? :P
12:48.46jnwhitehlol
12:48.58jnwhitehokay thats done now :P
12:49.11industrialjnwhiteh: counterstrike sourcE?
12:49.19jnwhitehlol
12:49.30industrialoh, play with the css
12:49.34industrialread play css :E
12:49.46industrial~asktoask
12:49.47purlThis is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help.
12:49.50industrialpastebin it!
12:49.52industrial:3
12:50.18industrialalso, the #css channel has really knowledgeable people
12:50.20jnwhitehCascading Style Sheets
12:50.29industrialI think its one of the best help channels on freenode
12:50.34jnwhitehcool
12:51.24roastxdo you mind if i ask to ask if i can ask a question about asking a  question if i can?
12:52.00Elkanowell, jnwhiteh, I ahve actually done the same already once ^^ image button next to an input box ^^
12:52.30jnwhitehIf you have the code for that, I can surely make it work :P
12:52.44jnwhitehIve got lots of inherited styles right now, which is a problem :P
12:53.21Elkanowhere exactly is your problem?
12:53.47jnwhitehI just want to put a <button> with an <img> inside next to an <input type="text">
12:54.32jnwhitehhttp://www.smartredfox.com/2008/04/image-submit-button-not-aligning-with-input-box/
12:54.32Elkanook, managed to do it :)
12:54.40jnwhitehthat's the "issue" :P
12:54.56Elkanoand yes, vertical align is a problem that bugged me, too
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12:57.20jnwhitehthat seems to be the problem I am encountering.
12:57.59ElkanoI thought your problem was horizontal
12:58.35Elkanoand in that case it would be the right margin of the edit box, the (possible) whitespace between inputbox and button and the padding of the button
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13:00.16jnwhitehhrm vertical-align: middle fixes that
13:00.27jnwhitehnow if i can get the background and the space between the two i'll be happy
13:00.29jnwhitehthanks for talking :P
13:01.05Elkanofor the button: background: transparent; border: 0
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13:03.47jnwhitehhttp://wowprogramming.com/template.html
13:03.50jnwhitehthat looks right to me now.
13:03.54jnwhitehbut it doesn't scale with font size :P
13:03.57jnwhitehso i have to figure that out
13:04.01jnwhitehlikely to use em instead of px
13:06.12LopeppeppyOn my screen, the WoW Programming logo overlaps the Login or Register link.
13:06.38Kalrothwhat resolution?
13:07.07Lopeppeppy1280x1024, IE7, window maximized.
13:08.00LopeppeppyThe search and login/register are on the left on IE7, and on the right in FF 3.5.2
13:08.14Kalrothahh
13:09.42LopeppeppyMatter of fact, there's a lot of stuff missing from the IE7 view, like all those pretty top tabs.
13:09.48Adyswhat do these numbers look like: 526449024 531872128 120700928 71319552 127301632 127956992 127072256 536855424 92456960
13:09.59Adys(they aren't floats)
13:10.08LopeppeppyLottery numbers?
13:10.09Wobinum
13:10.15Wobinauthenticator numbers?
13:10.21AdysNo
13:10.36AdysI'm getting them from some binary file and I cant figure out the structure
13:10.42Adysor what they would be used for
13:11.12Adysthey're not floats, they're not bitmasks, ..
13:14.41olafskiicq uins :)
13:16.12Elkanoolafski, in theory, yes but have they gone to a leading 5 by now?
13:16.45olafskiwhy not?
13:16.59olafskithese numbers are only 9 digits
13:17.11olafskicurrent ICQ numbers are 10 or more iirc :)
13:17.52WobinMan... I remember having a 5 digit ICQ number
13:18.11olafskimine's 8 =(
13:18.22olafskihaven't used icq in at least 5 years :P
13:18.38LopeppeppyI use ICQ daily at work.
13:19.20Wobinphone numbers?
13:20.01Wobinwhat's the binary file from?
13:22.42jnwhitehLopeppeppy: the page is part screwed right now, but the float issue is interesting
13:22.44jnwhitehi hate ie
13:22.46jnwhitehit can dieaf :P
13:23.42LopeppeppyI hear you, jnwhiteh.
13:24.11LopeppeppyI have Opera and Safari too if you want me to look at it in that...  I have tons of browsers.
13:24.31LopeppeppyI default clicked links to IE so that I won't accidentally crash my work browswer (Firefox)
13:25.17jnwhitehhehe
13:25.23jnwhitehlet me fix up the page first, but thanks!
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13:28.17Krapsmornin'
13:28.19Wobinhm, W7 has middle mouse button flipping between windows
13:28.23Wobinand I don't like that =(
13:29.40Lopeppeppyis cold, cold cold
13:30.23Krapsi never meant to be so cold peppy
13:30.39LopeppeppyIt hurts me, Kraps.  Can't we kiss and make up?
13:30.54Adys(Do it. She's not bad for an old god)
13:31.17LopeppeppyGoddess, Adys, let's not confuse the issue with gender disparities.
13:35.08KrapsFaction Change Service Now Available
13:35.19AdysNon-combat pets will not be affected by this process and will be available once the character's faction change completes. This even includes faction-specific non-combat pets.
13:35.21Adysthat
13:35.25Adysis incredibly sneaky
13:35.59LopeppeppyThat just means that I can take my horde-specific pets with me when I go Alliance?
13:36.04LopeppeppyOr does it mean something deeper?
13:36.05Wobingrr it's annoying
13:36.10Wobinsince I use the middle mouse for opie
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13:36.26Adysthat means you technically could get every single alliance pet, change to horde, get every single horde pet and go back ally
13:36.32Adysall for $60 and 2 months playtimew
13:36.49LopeppeppyThat's not too bad a deal, overall, for the casual or completist player.
13:37.01Adysits still incredibly sneaky
13:38.00LopeppeppyIt's definitely a bone tossed to non-raiders.
13:38.55Kraps"Patch 3.2.2: Timear Foresees Sons of Hodir reputation in your future!"
13:39.06Adysbut yeah this is quite sick
13:39.34Adysif you want to transfer an ally char to a horde account on another server
13:39.47Adysyou'd have to pay $30 to change faction, another $15 to transfer the char to another server, and another $15 to another account
13:40.09dardackok if i'm asking for translation that seems to be chinese (taiwan) the person posted a comment but it just looks like boxes, do I have to have them send me a txt file or something?
13:40.34Adysdardack: if it looks like boxes its just because your font cant render it
13:40.36Adysits still valid text
13:40.48dardackso i can just copy it
13:40.52dardackfrom the comment
13:41.01Adysyes
13:41.48dardackok
13:41.52Fiskerlies Adys
13:42.14Fiskeri thought they didn't have a timer on the faction change btw
13:42.14dardacknow is taiwan like my localiazation for Englis is localization.enUS.lua, is it just CN? CH?
13:42.16Fiskeralso
13:42.33Fiskerthe official site says otherwise
13:42.53Fiskerall the AT pets will be converted to the other faction
13:44.33Kraps"Please note that our Armory system is still in beta at this time"
13:44.38Krapsorly?
13:44.49KrapsFOR 5 YEARS?
13:44.59Fiskerthey're google
13:45.12Fiskerbesides the european site has been beta for the last 5 years too
13:45.24Fisker(not by name but by functionality of course)
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13:45.43Fiskerwtb merge and competent webteam
13:46.09Fiskereven the US battle.net system has their own account management for wow accounts
13:46.22Fiskeron EU it's just passed to the old management site
13:46.25KrapsWorld first Tribute to Insanity (10 Players) by For The Horde
13:46.28Fiskeri rage
13:46.42dardackok i posted those boxes into Scite and it just converted them to ?
13:47.33Krapsthe new pets are so cute!
13:47.36Kraps<.<
13:47.45Kraps>.>
13:54.10dardackOk if the only translated like 10 of the 30 variables (the main ones for testing where in the world you are wg/dal/etc.) do i have to copy the english variables of the other 20, or can i just leave them and it will pick up the 10 and the other 20 from the english/default?
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14:12.23DWSRis it really the internet's birthday?
14:13.03TepelSo slashdot says
14:15.01Wobinhehe four manned hToc
14:15.38DWSRlol, I've 2 manned it.
14:15.43DWSRprot/holy paladin.
14:15.50Wobinthat must have taken -ages- =P
14:15.58DWSRyep
14:16.06WobinIt was a cowparty
14:16.10DWSRBlack Knight was a fucking bitch, but we got it.
14:16.13Wobintwo druids, a warrior and a shammy
14:16.32Wobinwell at least with only two, you have less issue with 'group' healing =)
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14:17.20Krapsthe QQ is strong today
14:17.52DWSRthe QQ is strong with this one.
14:18.49Krapspeople QQing about the faction+server change price, people QQing about the QQers, prople pretending to QQ...
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14:20.02DWSRI find your lack of QQ disturbing.
14:20.55KrapsQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ
14:21.00Krapskay?
14:21.24olafskiimpressive, 2manning hToc.. how do you put out the damage against black knight phase 3 before he gibs you? :<
14:22.12DWSRolafski: I'm a paladin?
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14:22.20DWSRThat's like asking a bird how he flies.
14:22.20olafskiyes..
14:22.26DWSRHe just does.
14:22.33olafskiI don't see a paladin doing 3 times my damage :<
14:22.47olafskiwhile also healing
14:23.07DWSRolafski: Beacon + slowly whittling down the boss.
14:23.11olafskihmm
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14:23.16olafskiI thought he keeps doing more dps
14:23.20DWSRHe does.
14:23.29DWSRYou've obviously forgotten the bubble.
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14:24.29olafskiI didn't.. well I guess I'd still want to see this before I believe it, but okay :P
14:24.39Ackisanyone do a faction change yet?
14:24.45DWSRmy guildie.
14:25.00Ackishow did it go? smoothly?
14:25.24DWSRI believe so.
14:25.25Ackiscool stuff
14:25.26olafskinice service
14:25.32DWSRHad to log his char out for awhile, and the race wasn't what he wanted.
14:25.33olafskiand also nice that they allow race changes this way =)
14:25.40DWSRIt made him go Tauren->Gnome?
14:26.02DWSRor maybe that was only his rep, I dunno.
14:26.06AckisI want to know if you have the ravasaur raptor if you'll get exalted winterspring since you'll have that mount
14:26.19olafskihm I think it said that you keep that yes
14:26.24olafskiforgot where I saw the link though
14:26.31Ackisthe mounts you keep
14:26.36Ackisbut the rep you don't
14:26.53Ackisie: horde -> alliance you lose your tranquillen
14:27.01Ackisalliance -> horde you lose your wintersaber
14:27.09olafskiwell yeah alliance doesn't have an equivalent to tranquilien
14:27.17DWSRAckis: they try to compensate you by having rep with other 'equivalent' factions.
14:27.19olafskihmm.. I thought ravasaurs were rep too, shows how much I know about horde :)
14:27.21DWSRi.e. home cities
14:27.43AckisDWSR: they just added it in in 3.2 or something, it takes 20 days of dailies to do only
14:27.57olafskiWinterspring Frostsaber <-> Venomhide Ravasaur
14:28.02olafskihttp://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/faction-change/index.xml
14:28.32Ackisaye I know about the mounts :P but the frostsaber requires exalted wintersaber rep (or it did at least)
14:28.49olafskiah you specifically want the reputation
14:28.56Ackisyup
14:29.01Ackisthat's what I'm curious about
14:29.18olafskihmm I doubt that tbh.. but not sure
14:29.56olafskihey they said you'd keep faction specific non combat pets
14:30.04olafskibut on that page I linked it says they get changed to the other factions
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14:31.08Ackisolafski: there are no faction specific non combat pets anymore, everyone on either side can get them all now
14:31.47olafskiwell I mean the tournament ones
14:31.49olafskithey get changed
14:32.12olafskie.g. elwynn lamb - durotar scorpion
14:32.16olafskiI wonder what happens if you already had both
14:32.18Ackiswell I guess the gruntling
14:32.30Ackiseh I didn't think those ones did get changed
14:32.39olafskime neither but they are listed :)
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14:36.25Ackisthey updated that page when I last looked at it... interesting
14:36.25jnwhitehyeah my CSS is pretty screwed:  http://browsershots.org/http://wowprogramming.com/
14:36.46jnwhitehI need to get someone to take a look at it and "Fix" things up for me =(
14:37.06Krapsoptimum service is A1 :)
14:37.17zenzelezzpeppy's cat made ICHC again: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/09/03/funny-pictures-of-kitteh-probability/
14:38.08olafski:D
14:38.21nicoli_slol
14:38.29nicoli_sso do the people who upload them have to think up the captions?
14:38.31AckisI don't get the random mount stuff
14:39.54jnwhitehI should steal Adys to help meh :P
14:40.19nicoli_sask ckknight, hes pretty good at css
14:40.26jnwhitehyeah I can ask him too
14:40.28ckknightwaves
14:40.39jnwhitehits all just a mess right now, but it's actually relatively simple markup.. i think
14:40.51nicoli_sdoes that site just take screenshots of the page from various os/browsers?
14:40.55jnwhitehyes
14:41.03industrialsomeone give me a new webcomic website link!
14:41.20industrialor a dilbert inline picture rss feed!
14:41.25theorbtwoirregularwebcomic
14:41.28olafskiackis: I guess they give you a random mount you didn't get from the "normal" conversions
14:41.54Ackisolafski: what happens if you have all of the normal mounts?
14:42.01Ackisthat's what i don't know
14:42.04industriallego men -_-?
14:42.10industrial~fail theorbtwo
14:42.11purltheorbtwo, you Fail!
14:42.11olafskiackis: both sides have an equal number of mounts don't they?
14:42.23Wobinindustrial: QC?
14:42.29Krapsindustrial: how about a graphic novel? http://requiem.seraph-inn.com/
14:42.32theorbtwoUnlike most lego comments, it often manages to be funny, or enlightening.
14:42.33industrialalready reading it
14:42.38Lopeppeppyzenzelezz, thank the stars I don't have stairs anymore!
14:42.47olafskiso all except your unpainted hawkstrider would be converted, then it would pick a random from the 1 mount remaining -> purple hawkstrider
14:42.49Wobinindustrial: Two Lumps?
14:42.56industrialKraps: hmmm no
14:42.58WobinThree Panel Soul?
14:43.11WobinSurviving The World?
14:43.16theorbtwoThe Phoenix Requiem is lovely, and an interesting story, though moving a bit slow.
14:43.17WobinS*P?
14:43.28WobinLICD?
14:43.45Wobinwoweh?
14:43.47industrialthanks :)
14:43.58jnwhitehFrom those that have looked at the site, the main issues are the search button box size/placement, and the tab placement.  Everything else seems okay, right? :P
14:44.12DWSRyes jnwhiteh
14:44.21theorbtwoFreefall.
14:44.41jnwhitehthanks DWSR
14:44.50theorbtwowonders if he can find that 3d rendered slightly BSG-fireflyish thingy.
14:45.16Lopeppeppyindustrial, http://survivingtheworld.net/
14:45.24Krapstheorbtwo: at least the updates are regular, unlike say http://www.wncomic.com/
14:45.28WobinLopeppeppy: *points up* =)
14:45.41LopeppeppySorry can't scroll that fast!  :P
14:45.59WobinI -do- like the guest comics this week though
14:46.13LopeppeppyOne of them was from my school, even.  *beams*
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14:47.57industrialWobin: loving two lumps
14:48.06WobinGOOSY
14:48.08Wobiner
14:48.11WobinGOOSHY FOOD!
14:48.48industrialhttp://www.twolumps.net/d/20040426.html
14:48.50industrialloool
14:49.16industrialthe ahah i love the dumb disturbed face
14:51.06LopeppeppyTwo lumps kicks ass.
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15:05.41sylvanaarso, I'm thinking about trying to use the stack overflow clone i set up: http://sylvanaar.dontexist.com/  as a "tester hub" - a way for authors to interface with testers. Is this anything anyone would be interested in participating in?
15:10.14Wobinsounds interesting... but I don't know how effective for testing
15:10.48sylvanaarnoone does
15:11.02sylvanaartheres alot more to it than just the site though
15:11.24sylvanaari can refer you to some threads if you want to read them
15:11.55WobinI'd read them, but I gotta get to bed =(
15:12.02sylvanaarerror reporting: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=14479&highlight=error+reporting
15:12.15Wobinmaybe if you bring it up in about .... 9hrs =)
15:12.25sylvanaargetting testers: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=17035
15:12.31sylvanaarnow they are in your history
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15:13.03Wobinok, but how does the Stackoverflow clone help
15:13.04Wobin?
15:13.35Wobinthat's more based around a single question, multiple answer model
15:15.31Krapsis currently listening to Puddle Of Mudd - She Hates Me
15:15.50Krapsi approve this message
15:16.13Adys[17:40:44] <@jnwhiteh> I should steal Adys to help meh :P
15:16.15Adyswhats up?
15:16.27sylvanaarwhat model would apply to error reporting?
15:18.00sylvanaaruse case 1: "I get error Y", what is causing it?
15:20.36sylvanaarthats a classic stack overflow type scenerio - but it also works if you just switch it up and make it:
15:21.13sylvanaarsingle error - multiple bits of information about it
15:21.25Adyspokes jnwhiteh
15:22.31Wobinthat's not testing.... that's bug reporting, and there wouldn't be multiple replies to  a question like "My addon did this?", there'd be one, by the author saying "Ah yes, I'll fix that in the next release"
15:23.12WobinCause you're not asking a question to a general pool of people's knowledge
15:23.21Wobinyou're reporting a bug to a specific addon
15:23.23sylvanaarright
15:23.39sylvanaarthis is something slightly different than that
15:23.57WobinThe only thing you might gain from a SO type interface is searching for similar bugs
15:23.59Wobinor reports
15:24.07Wobinbut that could be taken care of by good tagging
15:24.35sylvanaarand you would pool the people interested in testing into one place
15:24.50sylvanaarand have a common forum to interact
15:25.05Wobinbut the testers don't need to interact with one another... not really
15:25.16Wobinand what would they tell each other?
15:25.17sylvanaarthey do - "
15:25.24Wobin"Oh that didn't work for me either"
15:25.32Wobin"Me too!"?
15:25.38sylvanaar+1
15:25.49sylvanaarup vote
15:25.52sylvanaarwhatever
15:25.56WobinYou can do that with the current wowace bugtracker
15:26.02sylvanaari know
15:26.22Wobinit just seems like a shoehorn for a problem that's already solved more efficiently with a bugtracker
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15:27.01sylvanaarif someone is testing a specific feature of your addon - this has no real use
15:27.03Wobina SO interface isn't going to entice people to become testers
15:27.54WobinIf someone is bugreporting an issue they find about your addon, a SO interface won't help anything that the current bugtracker doesn't already cover
15:28.06Wobinit's not -adding- anything to the situation
15:28.20Wobinit's just complexifying it by including another forum
15:28.20sylvanaarwhat if it turns out that it wasnt a bug in your addon
15:28.45WobinThen you mark it as 'not a bug - This is another addon conflict' and go about your business.
15:28.56sylvanaarintead it was another addon, and the bug was already fixed - you just didnt know
15:29.13WobinIt's not your responsiblity to get it fixed...
15:29.24sylvanaarno, but you wasted your time
15:29.30jnwhitehpokes Adys back!
15:29.35Wobinyes. but how will the SO interface HELP that?
15:30.05Wobinbecause anyone who fixes a bug in their own addon isn't going to go around tagging that fix with every other addon around in the expectation that it affects something else
15:30.33WobinI mean bug reporting/testing sure, fine, great, whatever
15:30.47Wobinbut -what- is this SO interface going to do that isn't already being done, and how will it do it -better-?
15:31.10ShadowedGet a solution that tells users "Hey, you can post on X for this error" which lets you direct people to comments/custom bugtracker/etc problem solved
15:31.20Shadowedthe issue is more that users like to post bugs in obscure places rather than they can't talk with each other
15:31.36sylvanaarso i can count you in Shadowed?
15:31.37Wobinaside from... the bugtracker for the addon?
15:31.46Shadowednot really
15:31.49Wobinwhere the -logical- place to post a bug is?
15:32.01ShadowedWobin: Because logic and users go hand in hand right? :p
15:32.11LopeppeppyIf I found a bug I'd post it on the author's download page.
15:32.16Wobinuhuh, and making them go to a completely -different- site is going to help lots too
15:32.26Wobinone that just gets them to follow a link to a bugtracker?
15:32.34ShadowedI'm agreeing with you
15:32.40WobinOh ok =P
15:32.50ShadowedI'd rather see something that an author can plug into in-game where if an error pops up it says, hey you can post about this error at X
15:32.52LopeppeppyNo, I'd post what I found, 'cause links to somewhere else is repetitive.
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15:33.10Shadowedwhere X is some TOC field or whatnot that the author defines
15:33.12LunessaParty on, Wayne.
15:33.14sylvanaarShadowed thats part of this too
15:33.40Wobinor maybe a module addon to WowIMinion
15:33.46Wobin"Report bugs" button
15:34.01Wobin(and CC, natch)
15:34.04ShadowedThat's all I would want, anything more and it goes outside what I care to support :p
15:34.24Shadowedhow would you handle things that don't use wowace ticket tracker but use comments Wobin
15:34.42WobinShadowed: Get the author to use the tracker if they're serious about it
15:34.51Wobinif they're not serious, then they won't fix the bugs in the first place
15:34.52Shadowedwhat tracker?
15:34.53Adysjnwhiteh: poke
15:34.58Adysjnwhiteh: what did you need?
15:35.01Shadowedyou mean a tracker?
15:35.25jnwhitehJust want to bug you at some point for some CSS issues that I'm having.. since you seem to be incredibly well versed in the cross browser issues =)
15:35.33Adystry me
15:35.33sylvanaardo you ever get bug reports that should be directed to another author?
15:35.38Wobinhttp://www.wowace.com/addons/little-wigs/create-ticket/
15:35.40Shadowedonce a month
15:35.45Shadowedif at that
15:35.49Wobinsylvanaar: indeed, and then I direct them to the correct addon
15:36.03Wobin"Mark as Not a Bug: Try reporting this to Addon <x> instead!"
15:36.29sylvanaari think that if they were all reported to one place and then redirected, it would be much more orderly
15:36.37jnwhitehI have two (I think) relatively simple things I want to do.. but I have issue with them in browsers other than mine =) http://wowprogramming.com
15:36.47Wobinthat's... why there's a ticket tracker for each project...
15:36.59ShadowedIt's not that hard to tell the user they need to redirect it to addon X
15:37.01jnwhitehI just added the search box, and on other browsers the button doesn't line up with the edit box.  And the tabs sometimes appear a few pixels above or below the divider.
15:37.30sylvanaar"issue triage"
15:37.36LopeppeppyAnd I still have the left/right issue, jnwhiteh.
15:37.38Shadowedjnwhiteh: The text doesn't align either for what it's worth
15:37.47jnwhiteh"the text"
15:37.51jnwhitehcould you be more specific?
15:37.55Shadowedthe text is specific!
15:38.00WobinI just reckon you're making far too much mountain out of molehill
15:38.04jnwhitehAdys: oh yeah, apparently in IE7, the float right does not work
15:38.04Adysjnwhiteh: the tabs thing in 99% of the cases its some shitty behaviour not specified by the standard
15:38.06Shadowedwhat Wobin said
15:38.14Adysyou have to give each browser a different css for that
15:38.17sylvanaarallright guys
15:38.18ShadowedThe "Search using Google" text is offset by about 2 pixels to the top in Firefox 3.5.2
15:38.26Adysto move it a few pixels with position: absolute; and top: -1px or something
15:38.29jnwhitehAdys: ah, I dislike that a bit =(
15:38.31Wobinaddon testers aren't wandering the streets lost and confused
15:38.40ShadowedI'm logged out as well for what it's worth jnwhiteh
15:38.48Adysas for the searchbox lemme see
15:38.55WobinAdys: ugh, hates that, precioussss
15:38.55jnwhitehShadowed: _what_ text
15:39.04ShadowedI just said! "Search using Google" text in the search box
15:39.08Wobin'Search Using Google'
15:39.11jnwhitehoh okay
15:39.15Shadowed:p
15:39.17jnwhitehit all looks pretty on safari 4 :P
15:39.21jnwhitehwell pretty-ish
15:39.33sylvanaarok guys - thanks for the input
15:39.34Shadowedoh you fixed the persistency bug with logins?
15:39.37jnwhitehno
15:39.52Shadowedoh there we go now it logged me out
15:39.52jnwhitehi have not had an opportunity to look at it again
15:39.56jnwhitehi suppose i cuold do this now.
15:40.02Adysjnwhiteh: give #search_button and #search_box a static height
15:40.04Adysof like 1.1em
15:40.09Adysmaybe 1.2
15:40.15Wobinjnwhiteh: if it helps, it looks the same on FF3.5 and chrome3
15:40.18Shadowednot a big deal
15:40.22Shadowedpoofs
15:40.49Adysjnwhiteh: also, dont use <button><img/></button>
15:40.56Adysuse background-image on button
15:41.01jnwhitehreally?
15:41.05jnwhitehalright
15:41.11Adysyeah its a lot cleaner
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15:42.18Adys(thats prolly the source of your problem too btw, <img> elements got some different default paddings across browsers)
15:43.04Wobinthis is why I leave all that to the front end programmers, at work =)
15:43.43KazieDo you just use '/' to print a / in LuaText?
15:43.51Adysjnwhiteh: also a thought, if you dont want to give the tabs a different css
15:43.54Adysuse z-index
15:44.22Adysbut i dunno if you're using a single bg image for the blue+brown bg its not gonna be possible
15:44.26sylvanaarWobin you'd probably have read the thread i linked about error reporting to understand why SO makes sense to me.
15:44.31nicoli_syes, all good web programmers should know every element on your site should have a different z-index :P
15:44.32jnwhitehAdys: i may be able to do that, yeah
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15:45.02Adysnicoli_s: I avoid using z-index like hell
15:45.05Wobinsylvanaar: It'll have to wait til the morning =)
15:45.22nicoli_slol yeah i was being very sarcastic adys
15:45.33Adysright
15:45.46Adyshttp://db.mmo-champion.com/static/css/tooltip.css
15:45.46Adysfor this exact reason
15:45.52Adysi just figured some earlier z-index problem i was having
15:46.04Adysi left out a z-index: 20 in .tt-hover ><
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15:46.54jnwhitehAdys: if you refresh, its even weirder now :P  They both have static heights and they're diff :P
15:47.13jnwhitehbut no more <img> :P
15:47.36Adyshmm buttons aren't blocks
15:47.52Wobinjust style the image a bit to get it back to original size
15:48.10jnwhitehi can use input type="image" but I was told that was semantically bad:P
15:48.12Adysits the border
15:48.12sylvanaarWobin thats fine - its helpful to know that I need to give people more background
15:48.20Adystry give the button a border
15:48.30jnwhitehit has one
15:48.36Adysoh er
15:48.51Adysoh right i see
15:48.52Wobinsylvanaar: maybe a short 'brief' to outline reasoning =)
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15:49.10Wobinanyway, gnight all
15:49.27Adyslemme play with it a sec
15:49.37WobinThat's what -she- said
15:49.46jnwhitehlol
15:49.59nicoli_sgood one
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15:50.33Adys:\
15:51.03Ackisso apparently I deleted my bootloader last night
15:51.07Ackiswas pretty pro
15:51.28sylvanaarwobin http://forums.wowace.com/showpost.php?p=244926&postcount=40
15:52.40Adysjnwhiteh: so seems text inputs got some different rules
15:52.51jnwhitehyeah they suck =(
15:53.22Adysjnwhiteh: on the search box, do
15:53.29Adysheight: 18px; padding: 3px 0 0;
15:53.39Adysand on the button
15:53.45jnwhitehumm someone is saying http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/PLAYER_LEVEL_UP is broken.. i.e. the div with the conten is only 10px
15:54.49jnwhitehhttp://remote.pulseforce.com:900/whiteh.png
15:54.52Adysbackground: #878787 url(/images/search.png) no-repeat scroll center center; height: 23px; width: 23px;
15:55.27Krapshttp://ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20090902.jpg
15:55.35Adysactually 22px width is enough
15:55.48Adysid also advise making the border darker
15:55.56Adysor the background
15:55.56jnwhitehMUCH BETTER
15:56.09jnwhitehany particular reason?
15:56.16Adysaesthetics
15:56.24Adysfeels weird having a button that's just.. blank
15:56.48jnwhiteh.. how is it blank?
15:56.51jnwhitehi'm confused =/
15:56.56Adyswell theres an image
15:56.56Lunessahttp://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/ - I lawled
15:56.59Adysbut it's only one color
15:57.19AdysI dunno it might be good to have it distinguish border and bg
15:58.05foxlitLose the button entirely, imo
15:58.22jnwhitehno, some people like having a button
15:58.23Adysit's fine
15:58.26jnwhitehand i don't consider the current version a problem
15:58.30jnwhitehwhy would i not include it?
15:59.00Adyshm owie the tabs are painful
15:59.09foxlitBecause it looks odd.
15:59.21foxlitSafari renders it a pixel below the search box.
15:59.25foxlitFirefox renders it two pixels above.
15:59.39AdysUh no it doesnt, and no it doesnt
16:00.00foxlitWould you like a screenshot?
16:00.10jnwhitehhave you done a full refresh?
16:01.23Adysthe one odd thing is
16:01.26foxlitYes; I doubt it's a caching issue.
16:01.39Adysfirefox renders the button right next to the searchbox
16:01.44Adyschrome gives it a 1px spacing
16:02.39Adysjnwhiteh: a couple more suggestions
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16:03.08Adysreplace "Search using Google" with "Google search", and give it a little more spacing from the top
16:03.13Adysthe bo*
16:03.15Adysbox..
16:04.59jnwhitehI don't haev a good search solution, since everything google is now fucking ajax ><>
16:07.29jnwhitehAnyone have IE8 they can test it in?
16:07.33jnwhitehSomeone is reporting some effed up issues
16:07.34DWSRyes
16:07.48DWSRsec.
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16:08.01foxlitjnwhiteh: your screenshot is an accurate depiction of the IE8 render.
16:08.25Adysthe IE8 render is an accurate description of what i think IE8 is
16:08.31jnwhitehthats not my screenshot
16:08.38jnwhitehits someone else's :P
16:08.40DWSRjnwhiteh: IE8 makes your site borked.
16:08.43DWSRWould you like a screenie?
16:09.04jnwhitehi already posted one
16:09.06jnwhitehit likely matches that
16:09.16Adysrofl man
16:09.34DWSRIt just looks like a thin bar of beige.
16:09.38DWSRAnd a column of fail.
16:10.09jnwhitehit was 'normal' before the search bar was added
16:10.25DWSRbtw, google chrome has the search button rendered 1px down from the search box.
16:10.35DWSRsame with the tabs.
16:10.45DWSRthey're 1px lower than they should be.
16:11.29jnwhitehYeah I'm not sure how to fix all of that
16:11.41jnwhitehMaking layouts with tables was so much nicer :P
16:11.58jnwhitehDoes IE8 not respect min-width?
16:12.17DWSRjnwhiteh: Does the ie7 render look right?
16:12.20foxlitjnwhiteh: <button />
16:12.26jnwhitehDWSR: I don't have IE
16:12.30Adysi cant help so much
16:12.32Adyswith ie
16:12.33Adyssorry :p
16:12.41foxlituse input type="submit" :)
16:13.07jnwhitehits a button/..
16:13.13DWSRMin-width on new block formatting context beside a float is sometimes treated as width
16:13.17jnwhitehI'm not sure what you're saying
16:13.20DWSRjnwhiteh
16:13.23Adysjnwhiteh: foxlit is right
16:13.23jnwhitehDWSR: say that, but that doesn't sound like this issue.
16:13.30jnwhitehbut what is he saying, and why?
16:13.36Adys<input type="submit"> instead of the current <button> will work better
16:13.46jnwhiteh*GROWL*
16:13.50jnwhitehI was told NOT to do that
16:13.53jnwhitehbecause its a button
16:13.55Adysby whom?
16:14.03foxlit(It's clearly a control that submits a form)
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16:14.35jnwhitehso       <input id='search_button' type='submit'/> ?
16:14.35foxlitAs for "but why", it's mainly because I'm looking at the HTML tree IE8 generates
16:14.46Adysyeah jnwhiteh
16:14.47foxlitAnd all of your subsequent content appears nested under that button element.
16:14.59Adysfoxlit: rofl
16:15.05Adysman IE is terrible
16:15.18Adyshow did these guys ever pass Acid1 without crashing
16:15.19jnwhitehdid i need a space before teh closing / in the button tag?
16:15.28kdtreshthey hardcoded for the test :P
16:15.35DWSRjnwhiteh: yes.
16:15.40Adysjnwhiteh: bets on IE not recognizing <button> as a self-closable element at all
16:15.49DWSRAdys: IE8 passes acid2.
16:15.56foxlitIs the element even allowed to be empty?
16:15.58AdysI know DWSR
16:16.03Adysit is
16:16.17Adysevery element is allowed to be empty
16:16.22Adysbut attributes may be required
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16:17.14Adysjnwhiteh: More seriously though, an <input type="submit"> will catch the Enter keypress on some lousy browsers that won't catch it on <btn>
16:17.35jnwhitehokay, that's done
16:17.38jnwhitehits off by 1 pixel to the riht now
16:18.10Adysjnwhiteh: I think it's actually fixed under ff
16:18.15Adysand was broken before
16:18.22Adysyou dont want the 1px spacing?
16:18.36foxlitIt's no longer a 10px column of white; but your search box is still on top of your logo
16:18.51DWSRjnwhiteh: Still broken under Google Chrome and Vista 64.
16:18.52jnwhitehAdys: no, its supposed to flush against the right side of the edit box
16:18.59Adysjnwhiteh: right
16:19.14Adysjnwhiteh: first of all replace the margin: ?em by px values
16:19.16DWSRChrome is 1px down and 1px right for the search button
16:19.35jnwhitehi was told em was good px was bad
16:19.37jnwhitehFML
16:19.40Adyslol
16:19.49DWSRwhoever fucking taught you to design web pages failed. A lot.
16:19.57Adysem is a value related to default font size
16:19.59jnwhitehDWSR: ... that's.. fucking rude.
16:20.01Adysits good situationally
16:20.14Adysbut dont ever use it for border, margin and padding
16:20.15jnwhitehI've read a lot of design materials, and i don't fucking suck.
16:20.45jnwhitehThere are clearly things i don't know, which is why i'm asking questions.
16:20.46LunessaIt's true, you don't suck.  But there are good places to use px instead of em. :)
16:20.56Adysjnwhiteh: its more of em being an inconsistent value, so if you're having troubles with stuff off by 1-2 pixels
16:21.02Adysreplacing em by px helps a lot
16:21.03DWSRjnwhiteh: I made no statement to your skill. em's a variable value.
16:21.14jnwhitehDWSR: No, but you did to whoever 'taught' me , and there is no one.
16:21.15mikmayou all suck
16:21.16DWSRjnwhiteh: Whoever told you that em was good and px was bad didn't know what they were talking about.
16:21.18mikmamore than jnwhiteh
16:21.31jnwhitehDWSR: there are hundreds of documents and writeups and papers debating the value of each
16:21.34foxlitSo clearly either the materials you used did not make that points sufficiently clear.
16:21.39jnwhitehAnd those people are surely not always wrong
16:21.49jnwhitehBut as they're explaining, the purpose of each is situational.
16:21.50LunessaI freely admit that there are all kinds of places where my skills "suck".
16:21.55jnwhitehits fine, that was just really sudde.
16:21.56jnwhitehruede.
16:21.59jnwhitehi can't fucking type
16:22.01DWSRrude?
16:22.07jnwhitehI think so, yes.
16:22.11jnwhitehBut it's fine.
16:22.16mikmayes, you were.
16:22.26mikmaassmonkey of the noob!
16:22.37Adysjnwhiteh: Use em when you are playing with variable widths that can depend on font size
16:22.52Adysdont use it when you're doing pixel-perfect work
16:23.16Adysdont ever use anything else than px when you're doing pixel-perfect work, except % situationally
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16:23.46Adysand as a general rule, dont use anything else than %/px for margin, padding and border
16:24.24jnwhitehalright, thanks for the tips.
16:24.31jnwhitehThe button's flush again, at least in chrome/safari
16:24.58DWSRjnwhiteh: I'm looking at wowprogramming.com and it's not.
16:25.01DWSRstill 1down 1right
16:25.07jnwhitehso am i =)
16:25.09AdysDWSR: which version of chrome?
16:25.30Adysjust a heads up, chrome 4.x got two major css fixes which will probably be backported to 3.x
16:25.35DWSRah
16:25.44Adysrelated to floats or something
16:25.46Adyssomething fucked up
16:25.54DWSRah, makes sense.
16:25.56DWSRI'm using 3.x
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16:26.21DWSR4.0 the latest beta?
16:26.44Adysyes
16:26.55Adysi dont know how you can be using 3.x
16:27.04Adysright now 3.x doesn't exist
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16:27.17Adysits future-stable but not dev anymore
16:27.35jnwhitehnow firefox has the alignment issue, but i can work on that
16:27.52Adyshttp://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/mammoth.jpg
16:27.54Adysblizzard
16:27.56Adysterribad
16:28.39Krapsman there are too many dps
16:28.40Adysreported some issue about not getting the FoS even tho i had the mount
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16:31.53cogwheelapparently we're harvesting...
16:32.02Adysharvests cogwheel
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16:32.33mikmaadys: what's SigrieMiner? looks hot
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16:33.57nicoli_sprobably their in game collector addon
16:34.12Adysnot their
16:34.13Adysjust mine
16:34.21Adysso far anyway
16:34.38Adysit only gathers vendor&mail data atm
16:34.41Ackisis using chrome 2.0.72
16:35.05Ackiserr 2.0.172.43 :P
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16:36.31Adyshttp://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/178856393
16:36.53Lunessacogwheel: Anything good from the winery available in my range this year?  :P
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16:37.24jnwhitehwe're harvesting early in Tuscany this year, warm summer
16:40.54AdysI don't fucking get it
16:41.05Adyspeople rising in a revolution against google because they patent their homepage
16:41.28jnwhitehwell most people patently hate patents :P
16:41.33Adysisn't anyone striken by the WEIRDNESS of google not already having a patented their homepage?
16:41.54nicoli_si wonder if i could patent the idea of display 3d models of in game stuff on the web
16:42.15foxlitI wonder if someone could sue your pants for using model data you have no license for :)
16:42.23jnwhitehfoxlit: win!
16:42.25Adysnicoli_s: try me, I got a bunch of prior work :P
16:42.30DWSRhttp://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/157992062
16:42.34nicoli_sAdys: how far back?
16:42.46nicoli_sfoxlit: fair use, we say we dont own the data
16:43.00nicoli_swoudlnt be any different than using in game icons or maps
16:43.13Adysnicoli_s: 2006ish iirc
16:43.31foxlitI don't claim I'm Ozzy, but I'm still not allowed to stream you his songs.
16:43.32nicoli_swell then both of ours would be around the same time :)
16:43.41Adysexcept i dont live in the US
16:44.00nicoli_swell then even better :)
16:44.50nicoli_sand foxlit: no game company has had any problems with us or anyone else doing it so far, and i wouldnt imagine the patent would even deal with that since it wouldnt be specific to one game
16:45.25Adysblizzard could technically give you a cnd for displaying their icons, models and textures
16:45.35Adysbut they cant outright sue you and win
16:45.38Adysnor would it be smart of them
16:46.05nicoli_sexactly
16:46.33Ackismy new kitten farts :(
16:46.33Adysi remember them sending cnds for websites using tbc/wlk alpha client textures
16:46.36Ackisa lot
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16:46.38Ackisand it stinks
16:46.41Adysyour mom farts Ackis
16:47.01Ackisyes she does
16:47.19Ackiswhen she had her stomach removed due to cancer, she had some nasty gas
16:48.52DWSRlol
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16:48.58DWSRYou sure it wasn't a queef?
16:49.25Ackisdude
16:49.28Ackisthat's just wrong
16:49.44DWSRso very very wrong
16:50.22nicoli_syou were both in the wrong
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16:51.53AckisI wasn't
16:52.08nicoli_syes you were
16:52.11Ackisnein
16:52.22Ackisbe careful or I'll send you the little farting kitten
16:52.31nicoli_snuhuh i gots too many kittens already
16:52.43nicoli_sand phantom's surgery went good, my gfs parents are taking him home tom
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16:53.06DWSRgrats
16:53.12leizeQmorning
16:54.30AckisI'm glad to hear that it went well NiLon
16:54.32Ackisfuck
16:54.35Ackisnicoli_s:
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16:56.00nicoli_sthx ackis, i feel for my gf's parents, they have to help him shit and stuff for the next few weeks
16:56.16Ackis=/
16:58.00nicoli_sbut they didnt have to pay the 600+ for the operation so its a decent tradeoff
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17:03.05KazieIn LuaText how do i make a local that will have PowerColor() find the color of a a certain power_type automatically?
17:03.58Kazielike if i do local dr,dg,db = DifficultyColor(unit) ..
17:04.18Ackis!api getunitfaction
17:04.18lua_botCould not find a match for 'getunitfaction'.
17:06.12Ackis!api UnitFactionGroup
17:06.12lua_botUnitFactionGroup: Returns a unit's primary faction allegiance (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitFactionGroup)
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17:42.02mikmahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5WfT8nS5vI
17:43.20LunessaFYI - the old trojan that forced resets of your WTF folder appears to be making the rounds again.
17:43.38ScytheBlade1Someone get me a physical copy of that
17:43.41ScytheBlade1I am curious
17:43.45ScytheBlade1-.-
17:44.25LunessaShirik had a copy - it was the one that was inserted into the incgamers (WoWUI) updater when they got hacked.
17:44.38mikmahahahahahacked.
17:44.45ScytheBlade1I have that one around and it didn't mark jack as read-only
17:46.02LunessaSBO - this is the one you wrote batch files for to clean up. :P
17:46.16ScytheBlade1Pretty sure it didn't mark anything as read only :/
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17:46.47mikmaOH MAH GAWD!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JpM4A4657k must get those :D
17:46.49NightHawkTheSanehttp://crenk.com/brilliant-new-iphone-app-girlfriend-not-included/
17:48.06LunessaPerhaps I should have said the "symptom is apprentlythat AddOn settings get reset."
17:48.34ScytheBlade1It is entirely likely that I'm wrong, but I really don't recall that ever happening when I was poking with it
17:48.43LopeppeppyI remember that trojan, sadly
17:49.24AckisI INSTALLED QUESTHELPER AND I GOT HACKED QUESTHELPER IS A KEY LOGGER
17:49.30Ackiseverybody panic!
17:50.34SesshuOMG
17:50.47Sesshuoh no
17:50.52ShadowedAckis:  is a key logger
17:50.53Shadowedban it
17:51.41Ackiseeek
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17:52.35Ackisthe irony is I'm dealing with curse hacking issues now! curse hacked my account eek!
17:53.31ScytheBlade1keeps hating on jobs that want Office experience, mostly because he knows he'll have to buckle down sooner or later and become very very intimiate with it
17:53.35ScytheBlade1cringes at the thought
17:58.57LopeppeppyRawr?
18:00.03Lunessais familiar with Office and feels your pain.
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18:00.26ScytheBlade1You're over the bridge then
18:00.35ScytheBlade1I freaking hate everything office related
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18:05.22NiLonAckis whaa? :D
18:06.51AckisNiLon: I mis pinged you, was meant to go to nicoli_s :P
18:08.05LunessaSBO - I hate Outlook.  I can live with most of the rest.
18:08.43NiLonAckis ah :p
18:10.19ScytheBlade1If outlook performed well I'd like it more
18:10.23AckisLunessa: there's something better than outlook?
18:10.27ScytheBlade1Also, if it had decent identity management I'd be pleased
18:11.43LunessaOutlook makes me die inside.
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18:12.08AckisI like outlook
18:12.27LopeppeppyOutlook can diaf.
18:12.29Ackisdoes that mean I make you die inside?
18:12.33MentalPowerOutlook 2010 is nice
18:12.40AckisLopeppeppy: does that mean you want me to diaf?
18:12.50LopeppeppyYou /= Outlook
18:12.51MentalPoweroutlook 2007 is passable, 2003 I despise
18:12.56LopeppeppyCheck the tag on your shirt if you're not sure.
18:13.05Lopeppeppyafk
18:13.07AckisLopeppeppy: it says "Johns shirt"
18:13.34LunessaAckis - No, you just make me think you need to hang out with 14 year olds
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18:14.16Ackiswhat's better than outlook? Only thing I wished would be to put more than 3 e-mail addresses per person
18:14.41LunessaApple's Mail is better. :P
18:14.55Ackisyah but you'd have to run a shitty mac then :P
18:15.06Ackisoutlook is 1000x better than lotus mail :P
18:15.43LunessaEverything is better than Lotus.
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18:34.20NightHawkTheSanewhat isn't better than outlook. ><
18:41.57kdtreshoutlook express
18:44.03ScytheBlade1actually I'd disagree
18:44.09LunessaOutlook Express should be renamed "Identity Theft Express"
18:44.15ScytheBlade1There's a feature in OE that works better than in O proper
18:44.39DagmarThere's a reason people call it "Outbreak Express"
18:46.19roastxi use windows live mail
18:46.31roastxdoes all my hotmails and my pop acct
18:46.36ScytheBlade1that's OE
18:46.44ScytheBlade1well, OE with makeup and some work done
18:46.56roastxOH GOD MY IDENTITY IS GOING TO BE STOLEN
18:46.58roastxAHHHH!
18:47.01roastxruns
18:48.31DWSRI use Thunderbird.
18:48.33DWSRDoes all my mail.
18:48.37DWSRDoesn't suck.
18:48.52ScytheBlade1^
18:49.10DagmarI use Gmail.  It doesn't suck and it keeps the spam away.
18:49.17AdysCan someone explain me that "in the mountains" meme
18:49.26DWSRDagmar: Yeah, but your web interface crashed a few days ago, while IMAP was working fine.
18:49.29nicoli_snot me
18:49.32LunessaI used to use Pegasus back in the day, but ... well, it was clunky.  Finally I gave up and started just telnet +Pine or Elm.
18:49.34DagmarDWSR: So what
18:49.49kdtreshgmail is a good example of people releasing their privacy in favor of a good interface and features
18:49.58DWSRDagmar: There is comparatively more suck in using the web interface. :P
18:50.11DWSRkdtresh: How is gmail any more or less private than Hotmail?
18:50.14kdtreshi didn't have any problem with gmail during that "outage"
18:50.26Dagmarkdtresh: Sorry, but some ONE has to care about your data before there's a privacy violation
18:50.39kdtreshit's just an example
18:50.47DagmarI fail to see anyone, ever getting excited about what a bot thinks of their private emails
18:50.47kdtreshgmail snoops your mail and shows ads
18:50.48DWSRIt's not really.
18:50.52kdtreshpeople don't have a problem with it
18:51.00LunessaHotmail does too.
18:51.03DWSR^^
18:51.03kdtreshyes
18:51.09DWSRSo does Yahoo Mail.
18:51.12Dagmar*all* free mail providers do
18:51.12kdtreshpeople cry about losing their privacy
18:51.13LunessaI'm using hotmail out of inertia
18:51.15DWSRSo does just about every free mail provide.
18:51.22kdtreshbut they sign up for the grocery card that logs all their grocery purchases
18:51.23DWSRs/vide/vider/
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18:51.32DagmarOH MY GOD!  MY COMPUTER KNOWS I TALKED TO HER.
18:51.51DagmarThat's pretty much what the jacked up claims about privacy issues amount to
18:52.06DWSRkdtresh: I think what a lot of people don't understand is that, at the end of the day, unless you pay cash for absolutely everything and keep it tucked under your bed, people know what you're doing.
18:52.22DagmarDWSR: "People" don't.  A computer does.
18:52.31Dagmar...and use of the word "know" there is kinda iffy
18:52.35LunessaWhich is why when I buy liquor and porn, I pay cash!
18:52.39kdtreshbut there is often someone that has access to that data
18:52.52DagmarThere's nearly ALWAYS someone who has access to that data.
18:53.05DWSRDagmar: This is the generation of find. We don't know shit. We know how to find everything.
18:53.08DagmarWhetehr or not they care, or whether or not they have TIME to look is another set of questions entirely
18:53.14DWSRKnowing where/how something can be found is as good as knowing it.
18:53.26DagmarI've had jobs where it was my responsibility to read other people's email
18:53.36DWSRDagmar: lol
18:53.41DagmarThe lamest thing I ever heard is "OMG YOU CAN READ MY EMAIL!?!?"
18:53.47DagmarLike I would want to.
18:54.00DagmarThere's a reason they have to *pay* you do to those jobs
18:54.12DWSRDagmar: Any good e-mail that you read?
18:54.19DagmarDatabases don't, and can't care
18:54.27DWSRDagmar: Indeed.
18:54.40Dagmar...and the poor guys who have to actually look at that stuff when an "incident" occurs care even less
18:55.12DagmarTehre are simply not enough hours in the day for anyone to go spelunking through someone else's private data without motivation and specificity
18:55.37DWSRAnd there's all sorts of auditing involved anyway.
18:55.43DagmarGoogle's advertisers don't know what your email says
18:56.09DagmarDWSR: Yeah once you add that in, the idea that some busy body is going to meddle becomes downright laughable
18:56.27DagmarFolks at the DMV and city hall are FAR more likely to be snooping
18:56.44kdtreshthe massive volume of general usage demographics google builds are far more valuable than one person's information
18:56.44Dagmar...as we can plainly see from the number of times those people get busted and fired for it
18:59.09DWSRwhat kd3
18:59.11DWSRkdtresh said.
18:59.14DagmarThe simple, straightforward, and hourly-rate solution to privacy carps is "Use PGP"
18:59.22DWSRNo it's not.
18:59.26DagmarYes, it is.
18:59.35DagmarYour ISP is far more likely to _actually_ snoop
18:59.37DWSRthe answer is live under a rock. :P
18:59.56LunessaBecome a luddite.
19:00.22kdtreshunplug
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19:00.46DWSRIf my ISP snoops on what I do.
19:00.53kdtreshno mortgage, no internet, no bills
19:00.54DWSR*gulp*.
19:01.06NightHawkTheSaneThe answer is to stop sending sensitive information over insecure channels ;)
19:01.25NightHawkTheSaneor, more likely, for 99% of people: realize that you don't actually HAVE any sensitive information
19:01.26MentalPowerDagmar: out of curiosity, why di you *have* to read emails?
19:01.36DagmarHarassment claims.
19:01.48DWSR^^
19:01.50DagmarI had to actually sit and sift through six months of someone's emails on more than one occasion
19:01.52MentalPowerah, IC
19:01.58DWSRAlso, NDAs and trade secrets, etc. are anothing reason.
19:02.00DWSRanother*
19:02.11DagmarPeople don't read their own emails half the time because they know they're too boring
19:02.21DagmarImagine being required to read all of someone else's email
19:02.46NightHawkTheSanethat sounds like cruel and unusual punishment
19:02.54Ackisis there a better lua pattern match for two command line words other than: ([a-z]+)[ ]?([a-z]*)
19:03.00DagmarUsage agreement violations are the other things that make security folk have to look closely
19:03.20DagmarLike, a claim someone saw porno on yer browser at the office... That'll make someone have to dig through web logs
19:03.45DWSRAckis: Why the [] in the middle?
19:03.59DWSR[ ]?*
19:04.01DagmarOne or more spaces
19:04.09AckisDWSR: what Dagmar said
19:04.16DWSRwhy not just you \s?
19:04.22DWSR\s? ?
19:04.23kd3(\w)\s(\w)
19:04.28DagmarBecause he hates foriegners
19:04.30DWSR^^
19:04.36Ackiskd3: that kinda looks like boobies
19:04.37DWSRkd3's pattern should work.
19:04.46Adys(\w+)\s(\w*)
19:04.48DWSRAckis: boobies in a halter top?
19:05.50DagmarToo many backslashes will make you go blind
19:05.50Dagmar...and start typing things like "i18n"
19:05.56DWSRi18n makes sense, sorta.
19:06.00AckisI didn't think \w etc worked with string.match?
19:06.01DWSROnce I figured out what the hell it was.
19:06.15DWSRWhat about g11n?
19:06.21kd3globalization
19:06.23Dagmarit gets tedious typing 'internationalization' over and over when discussing it
19:06.36DWSRah k
19:07.14AdysDue to their length, the terms are frequently abbreviated to the numeronyms i18n (where 18 stands for the number of letters between the i and the n in internationalization, a usage coined at DEC in the 1970s or 80s[1]) and L10n respectively. The capital L in L10n helps to distinguish it from the lowercase i in i18n.
19:07.20Adysthe more you fucking know
19:07.25kd3localization, globalization, internationalization -> l10n, g11n, i18n
19:07.34kd3sighs
19:07.45AdysI was trying for years to figure it out without going to wikipedia
19:07.49DWSRglobalization is internationalization + localization.
19:08.03Ackism10n
19:08.21DagmarMore easily abbreviated as "fap"
19:08.27Ackistehehe
19:08.41Ackislua> string.match("troll orc", "(\w+)\s(\w*)")
19:08.41lua_botAckis: nil
19:08.50DWSRAckis: troll orc?
19:09.01AckisDWSR: aye
19:09.01DagmarInteresting
19:09.11kd3ponders
19:09.12Ackisbut it's niling me
19:09.16AckisI don't like to be nilled
19:09.19DWSRDoes lua even support \w?
19:09.23Lunessahttp://www.icanhasforce.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/star-wars-yoda-motivational-awesome.jpg
19:09.44DWSRLunessa: hahahaha
19:10.24kd3lua> string.match("foo bar", "([:alnum:])[:space:]([:alnum:])")
19:10.24lua_botkd3: nil
19:10.26kd3grr
19:10.33DWSRlua> string.match("troll paladin", "[a-z]+\s?[a-z]*")
19:10.33lua_botDWSR: troll
19:10.41Ackislua> string.match("troll orc", "(%a+)%s(%w*)")
19:10.41lua_botAckis: troll, orc
19:10.49DWSR%?
19:10.50DWSRwtf?
19:10.51Adysterrifuckingble
19:11.01DWSR% is the metacharacter in string.match?
19:11.07Adysyeah
19:11.10DWSRow
19:11.18Adysi forgot again about lua's terrible "regex"
19:11.41DWSRlua> string.match("tauren rogue", "%w+%s?%w*")
19:11.41lua_botDWSR: tauren rogue
19:12.15Ackislua> lart, adys = string.match("troll orc", "(%a+)%s(%w*)");print lart;print adys
19:12.16lua_botAckis: luabot:1: '=' expected near 'lart'
19:12.21Ackisbah
19:12.22Ackisw/e
19:12.33DWSRAckis: You trying to capture?
19:12.45DWSRlua> string.match("tauren rogue", "(%w+)%s?(%w*)")
19:12.46lua_botDWSR: tauren, rogue
19:12.49Ackistrying to capture
19:12.54DWSRWhy use %a?
19:13.02DWSRIs %a == .
19:13.07DWSR?
19:13.09Ackisa = characters, my w is a typo
19:13.16Ackisw = alphanumeric
19:13.28DWSRa is printable, or all?
19:13.44Ackis%a --- represents all letters.
19:13.53kd3a is [a-z], w is [a-z0-9]
19:13.58DWSRThank you kd3.
19:14.06Ackis~wowspell 53056
19:14.07purlhttp://www.wowhead.com/?spell=53056 http://www.wowdb.com/spell.aspx?id=53056
19:14.07DagmarA is "alphabetical", W is "words"
19:15.23DWSRall I need to know about life, I learned from regex.
19:15.42DWSRWhich reminds me, I'm buying some xkcd shirts.
19:15.56DWSRLike the Linux reference shirt.
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19:22.14LopeppeppyEew, Lunessa, that's Yoda in pink!!!
19:22.35LunessaLopeppeppy: When 700 years you reach, whatever color you want you will wear.
19:22.48LopeppeppyNot if I'm still a redhead.  :)
19:23.20Lunessa;)
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20:14.42KazieIn Luatext, can anyone explain to me what power_type means in PowerColor(power_type) ... i've tried everything almost and i just can't make it work :o
20:16.22Stanzillamana, rage etc?
20:16.30Kaziei tried that
20:16.45Kaziebut it keeps returning an error telling it needs a value or something :o
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20:20.21Lunessahttp://www.wowace.com/addons/pitbull4/pages/lua-texts/ "Power(unit,power_type) -   Returns the power for the unit of the power_type. If power_type is not passed then returns the power for the current power_type. "
20:21.32KazieNot Power.. Powercolor()
20:22.14LopeppeppySearch on the page, Powercolor is mentioned....
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20:22.42KazieYes, it's further down on the page, but it didn't help me much.
20:24.00LunessaI assume it refers, like the other function, to rage, focus, mana, runic power, etc.
20:24.16LopeppeppyThat's what I would assume, and I don't even code.
20:25.12LunessaAnd it returns three numbers r for red, g for green, and b for blue
20:26.11KazieSo basically local pr,pg,pb = PowerColor() should work? and return whatever color matches the power on the unitframe?
20:26.42LopeppeppyKiss kiss everypeople, I'm out for the evening.
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20:28.04Cloudwolf!api powercolor()
20:28.04lua_botCould not find a match for 'powercolor()'.
20:28.08Cloudwolf!api powercolor
20:28.08lua_botCould not find a match for 'powercolor'.
20:28.13Cloudwolfmeh nvm
20:29.12KazieWell.. i made it work now.. but it colored mana gray for some reason :o
20:34.00Krapsno more skulls for heroic?
20:34.09Krapswere they too scary?
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20:46.52kdtreshso faction change is out...
20:47.33kdtreshfun fun
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20:51.19Esamynnkdtresh: this is yesterdays news :P
20:51.28kdtreshi see
20:51.31kdtreshi need to get with the times
20:52.16Esamynnobviously ;)
20:53.58Cairennoh hush clarence :p
20:55.01Thunder_Childty Cairenn, you just got airplane stuck in my head
20:55.18Cairennhave you got the vector, victor?
20:55.36Thunder_Child-_-
20:55.41Cairenn;)
20:55.41LunessaAnd I'm leaving on a jet plane...
20:55.50Cairenndon't wanna take a fast train
20:57.13LunessaDid your baby write you a letter?
20:58.32Cairennsaid he couldn't live without me no more
20:59.39LunessaANyway!  Give me a ticket on an aeroplane!  Ain't got time to take a fast train!  Leave me alone! I'm a going home!  My baby, she wrote me a letter!
20:59.50Cairenn:)
21:00.55LunessaI had that on a 45
21:02.21Cairenncareful, you're going to give your age away
21:03.51batrickso tired
21:03.58batrickbut it's still daylight!
21:03.59Cairennhuggles batrick
21:04.16batrickgrad school piles on work ... instantaneously
21:04.20batrick:(
21:05.41LunessaGrad School - because getting a BA or BS wasn't enough torture.
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21:11.00LunessaCairenn: I'm going to be one of those old gamers yelling at kids to "Git offa my Internet"
21:11.09Cairennlol
21:14.54EsamynnCairenn: sorry, Clarence isn't here right now, but Clarensis will "appear" on release day ;)
21:15.08Cairennheh
21:15.20Esamynnjust dunno what class he'll be yet
21:16.16Cairennheh
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21:19.37mikmagod cairenn, stop being so fast
21:19.43Cairennheh
21:19.52Thunder_Childthats what she said
21:20.00mikmai was about to scream that don't accept it xD
21:20.15Esamynnmikma: what the heck are you talking about?
21:20.49mikmaesamynn: not gonna tell ya, muah
21:21.14Esamynnshrugs, ok
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21:38.28LunessaVMWare "Suspend Guest" - my favorite feature.
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21:49.17kdtreshi don't know why, but i really dig the death knight starting stuff
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21:49.27kneekiHey all
21:49.32kdtreshheya
21:50.19kneekiIs there an event that fires when the GameTooltip hides?
21:50.43kneekior can I just do a 'GameTooltip:SetScript("OnHide", ' stuffs
21:51.30kdtreshare you using onmouseover scripts?
21:51.41kneekiNo
21:51.59kneekiI'm writing a small script that shows the target of the moused over target though
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21:53.23bleeterLunessa: I do like that, 'GET OFF MY INTERNETS'
21:53.49Yssarilkneeki: don't setscript on any blizzard frames rather you want to hook it instead otherwise you can break your ui (blizzard code and other addons code)
21:54.07kneeki<PROTECTED>
21:54.27kneekihooksecurefunc()?
21:54.27Lunessableeter: I've used it a few times in the UI & Macros forum for abusive/dickish posters.
21:56.44Krapshttp://host.madison.com/wsj/article_683959a0-8a02-591d-a32b-0071ea3d1d92.html
21:56.59Yssarilkneeki: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_Frame_HookScript
21:57.21kneekioooo
21:57.23kneekithanks!
22:00.55kneekiYssaril: That worked wonderfully, thanks much :D
22:01.00bleeterKraps: how do they say it in some parts of the US.... sheeet!
22:01.39Krapstheres a large thread on the forum about it
22:02.05bleeterformums? bah! ;)
22:02.07Yssarilkneeki: np
22:03.38Krapstheres a tough guy saying that things like this need to happen to teach kids "respect"
22:06.28LunessaHey a guy asks me for nude photos... and then gets po'ed when I /ignore him and tracks me down?  He'd better hope all I do is call the police.
22:07.08kneeki...
22:07.16kneekiIf he get's nude photos, I want nude photos!
22:07.34bleeterKraps: there's also a thread on skullcrusher from the alleged victim
22:09.34LunessaNo one gets those, because I'm so not attractive I shower with my eyes closed so I don't accidentall see myself.
22:09.58bleeterthe US must have different contempt type of laws than AU
22:10.00kneekirofl
22:10.20bleeter'coz there's no way in hell AU moderators would let those discussions take place in case the case went to jury and would have to be thrown out
22:12.46bleeterthere goes the skullcrusher thread
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22:13.58bleeterthread in general still full of contemptuous crap 'kripo's a stalker racist' etc. etc.
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22:25.34devZerois anyone familiar with the dbc data in the mpq files? I was just curious why the itemset data has an incorrect id's for items in the set.
22:25.47Kraps"That child, person, what ever stole from a man. The person in question promised something, received payment for said item. Then with payment made in full did not complete the transaction. There by showing disrespect to the buyer. The buyer got pissed, rightfully so, and wanted repayment.  This is all understandable to me. This makes perfect sense. He was stolen from and wanted to be re...
22:25.48Kraps...paid. He did it in the wrong fashion. But I understand where he was coming from."
22:25.49nicoli_sfor which set?
22:25.49devZerofor example, set id "Liadrin's Battleplate" shows 48910,48911,48912,48913,48914, which is incorrect
22:25.54devZeroset 878
22:26.01Krapsits simple no?
22:26.05bleeterKraps: that in the general thread?
22:26.09devZeroerr Battlegear, not plate
22:26.10Krapsyeah
22:26.21CairennLunessa: ping?
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22:26.24Krapspowerlwvwler
22:26.28Lunessapong
22:26.35bleeterKraps: problem is one can't steal gold ;)
22:26.42CairennLunessa: you hooked up with us for supper on wednesday night, didn't you?
22:26.55CairennLunessa: me, dolby, iriel, kaelten, es, mental and you, wasn't it?
22:27.07LunessaYes.
22:27.15Cairennk, thought so, just making sure
22:27.25Krapsbleeter: he owed the guy gold either way
22:27.36Shiriknever got to see Lunessa :(
22:28.34bleeterKraps: the realm thread was basically saying the guy was scum and deserved to get scammed by the kid anyways
22:28.47bleeterin the great tradition of gold 'theft', etc.
22:28.56devZeroblah, I can't seem to find what these id's reference.
22:28.59KazieDo anyone know if there's a bug in grid with the colors? .. regardless of which color i change, it has no effect on the gridbars :s
22:29.06Krapsi dont dissagree
22:29.08devZeromaybe they're not cached, but that would seem odd to me
22:29.50LunessaCairenn: I have a photo snapped of you there. :P
22:29.51devZerothis is recurring in other set id's as well
22:29.54Cairennheh
22:33.34EsamynnCairenn: there was one more person there, Gazmik I think
22:33.53Cairennright, forgot that he'd already hooked up with us by then too
22:33.54Cairennthanks
22:35.08Cairennheh, page and a half in Word just for Wednesday :p
22:35.17EsamynnLOL
22:35.24Cairenn(working on my BlizzCon post, now that I'm finally starting to feel better)
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22:38.21Lunessa"I'm lost. I've gone to look for myself. If I should return before I get back, please ask me to wait. "
22:46.33Lunessa"It has been said that with enough monkeys typing away on keyboards, we could reproduce the complete works of Shakespeare. Thanks to World of Warcraft Forums we now know that is not true. "  - lol
22:46.52DWSRouch
22:47.48Yssarilwhats the size limit on wow textures atm?
22:47.59Lunessa512x512
22:48.07Yssarilkk
22:52.43bleeterLunessa: there's a cartoon done recently by a friend of mine in one of the national papers here, lemme see if I can find it (re: monkies)
22:52.48devZerothis is driving me nuts, I just don't understand.
22:53.23LunessaI <3 monkeys.  I just don't expect them to produce sonnets.
22:53.30devZerowhy not?
22:54.06bleeterLunessa: nah, can't (national paper's gallery of his work is a joke...) basically, room of monkies at typewriters. one monkey looking at what he's written says 'well it's not shakespear, but it's a pretty good sonnet about bananas'
22:54.21bleeterLunessa: I'll see if I can get him to put it on his blog so I can link it for you ;)
22:54.21Lunessaheh
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22:56.53bleeterLunessa: http://www.kudelka.com.au/2009/08/a-banana-by-any-other-name/
22:56.56Lunessaawesome
22:57.03Hirsute*sigh*  There has got to be a more elegant way to clear post data after it's been processed with a php script that works in all major browsers than using a header Location redirect.
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22:59.23bleeterLunessa: two weeks after publication, it still makes me giggle :)
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22:59.37Lunessableeter: I got a good chuckle out of it.
23:01.38VonhintenHOME`Anyone work on RatingBuster in here?
23:02.52bleeterLunessa: You'll probably think of it every time someone mentions that monkeys/shakespeare thing now ;)
23:02.58bleeterI know I sure do LOL
23:03.44LunessaHey, I've turned in work with the preface "It's not Shakespeare..."  so you're probably right.
23:06.20Yssarilanyone have a guide on how to use the animation stuff in wow?
23:06.35Yssarili jsut need to rotate something constantly
23:07.40Lunessahttp://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=15443414368&sid=1
23:09.00Yssarilthanks Lunessa
23:09.53KazieIn LuaText, is there someone who can help me make this work for Death Knights and Warrior as well? .. at the moment it's because they never run around with full rage/runic power, so it'll never switch to class/lvl and i'm not sure how to make it work: http://paste.wowace.com/1069/
23:09.54bleeterany DTV viewers out there got their Grunty code yet?
23:11.53LunessaKazie - you'll need to code exceptions for warrior and DK in to your "If" statement.
23:12.19KazieI know and i tried, but it didn't work at all.
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23:12.38KazieI'm not really sure which codes or statements or what they are called, to use.
23:12.41bleeterKraps: thread's now movede to OffTopic
23:12.49Krapsyeah
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23:20.59KazieIn LuaText Is it possible to make 2 if statements in the same? .. like if miss ~= 9 and if.... ?
23:22.18Sesshu(Kazie): use and. if i = 1 and i > 0 then
23:22.36KazieWhat do you mean?
23:23.09Sesshu|offyour question
23:23.37KazieI just didn't quite understand your answer.. made my first LuaText yesterday. :)
23:23.46Sesshu|offah ok
23:24.29Sesshu|offtwo statements
23:24.39Sesshu|offyes?
23:25.07Sesshu|offvariable i have to be 1
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23:25.19Sesshu|offand it have to be bigger than 0
23:25.36Sesshu|offso you write
23:26.01Kazieahh.. maybe i get it now.. you just write an <if statement> and <another if statement> ? .. or am i completely off here?
23:26.02Sesshu|offif i = 1 and i > 0 then end
23:26.58Wobinugh
23:27.10Sesshu|offwhats wrong?
23:27.11Wobin151 replacements of 'No' with 'No.'...
23:27.29Wobinand I had to physically check every reference cause I couldn't mass search and replace =P
23:27.58KazieAnd you just happened to count them also then? :P
23:28.02Wobinwell, the search facility has a final count =)
23:28.21Kazie:D
23:28.23Wobinand for some reason the regexp of No(?!.) didn't work =(
23:28.56WobinOr maybe I was complicating that search term too much for whitespace
23:31.37WobinOr VS2008 doesn't handle lookahead
23:35.52Krapsi never thought of think of the faction transfer fee as a time vs money benefit, i r idiot
23:36.06Krapss/of/to/
23:37.21KazieCan anyone tell me why these are not working? http://paste.wowace.com/1070/ any of the two.
23:37.34EsamynnKraps: yes, yes you are
23:37.41KazieI'm getting an error for line 2
23:37.49Krapsty Esamynn
23:37.52mikmakazie: if cur == 0
23:37.54Esamynnyou're welcome =D
23:38.04mikmawell...
23:38.12mikmaesamynn: you are turning up to be a real asshole, gz! :D
23:38.13Kazieahh yes.. hehe. forgot the second = :D
23:38.14ckknightKazie: horribly wrong syntax.
23:38.18mikmakazie: also..
23:38.23ckknightand if doesn't work
23:38.24mikmakazie: if cur = 0 and if cur = max  then
23:38.26ckknightjust use and
23:38.27Esamynnmikma: oh jeez, I am :(
23:38.30Esamynnhmmm
23:38.41mikmathat one: if cur == or cur == max then
23:38.46Kazieckknight: I am horribly bad at lua, been doing lua since.. yesterday so i'm a newb.. litteraly.
23:38.50EsamynnKraps: my apologies
23:38.51mikmaesamynn: cool, cool. haven't seen that side of you before!
23:39.05Esamynn~fishslap mikma
23:39.06purlACTION slaps mikma up side the head with a wet fish.
23:39.20mikmathat one: if cur == 0 or cur == max then (sorry)
23:39.31LunessaEsamynn has always been a prick, but he's our kind of prick, so he stays.  +Astrolabe.
23:39.33kdtreshi usually parenthesize for ease of reading
23:39.47mikmadickamynn!
23:39.48Esamynnfeels the love
23:40.17kdtreshif ((a == x) and (b == y)) then
23:40.26LunessaOk, so... I'm out.  Going to install RAM in my Desktop and try to play some WoW.
23:43.51Krapsi think i need to find a large casual guild that does stuff
23:46.14ckknightKazie: we all had to start somewhere.
23:46.40Kazieyea :9
23:46.42Kazie:)*
23:47.11KazieI used if cur == 0 and cur == max then <--- should i use or instead of and?
23:48.13the-golemKazie: can the power ever be zero and max at the same time/
23:48.19mikmahttp://www.geekologie.com/2009/09/how_to_rob_an_apple_store_in_3.php
23:48.21kdtreshif you need them both to be true, you should use and
23:48.24mikmaesamynn: ^---
23:48.24KazieI think i just fixed it.
23:48.27Kaziewith or instead of and
23:48.28kdtreshif you only need one of them to be true, or works
23:49.03kdtreshif max is never 0, then that statement would never be true
23:49.06KazieOkay i didn't fix it hehe.. now i just went from constant class/lvl on warriros/dks to constant power :D
23:49.32KazieIt will be 0 on warriros and death knights since they are not on max ever.
23:49.45the-golemnot true.
23:49.51the-golemits possible for warriors to get 100 rage
23:50.30KazieYes.. but it doesn't fit the point of my code
23:51.19KazieIt's supposed to show Class/lvl when power is at max for Energy/focus/mana and if 0 for warriors and death knights since they "idle" on minimum and not maximum.. did that make sense? :)
23:51.34the-golemoutside of that if clause, what are you trying to do?
23:51.46the-golemKazie: aahhhh.
23:51.47Esamynnyah, maxed our rage is not entirely uncommon in a raid setting where boss is smacking you down
23:51.50Esamynnor trying too
23:52.05EsamynnAnub'arak for instance, in ToC, god he hits like a trunk
23:52.10Esamynntruck*
23:52.11the-golemlol
23:52.25the-golema trunk full of lead
23:52.27the-golemXD
23:52.32Esamynnthat too
23:52.40Esamynn20-25k on Bear armor, ouch
23:52.48Esamynnon a 2.0 swing timer
23:52.53the-golemwoah
23:53.17Kaziethe idea of the code is to show current power when active ... when the player is at it's "idling power level" it should show class/lvl.. the problem is that i can't make it work properly for Warrior/DK either it shows power constantly or level/class
23:53.22the-golemKazie: can you check for powertype?
23:53.55KazieIt should do that already, or at least in order to find the powercolor
23:53.58Kraps"You rolled a BE and now you have to live with that choice. This world needs consequences for foolish actions otherwise no one would learn. "
23:54.02KazieI can try pasting my whole code
23:54.09the-golemI'd like to see it :-)
23:54.12Esamynnthe-golem: actually, it might be more like 18k to 23k, but still, it's 20k+ hits
23:54.29the-golem*nod*
23:55.13Krapsis there a dr damage thing out there?
23:55.18Kaziethe-golem: http://paste.wowace.com/1071/ this is the full code, maybe you can see something in line 2 that can't.
23:55.40KazieAt least that's where i assume the wrong part is.
23:57.07temHonestly, Esamynn, I didn't notice him hitting that hard
23:57.10temin 10 or 25
23:57.13temon DK armor
23:57.21Esamynnthat's 25 numbers
23:57.22Yssarilis it overkill to include a 1MB tga just so i can have a nice swirly texture that swirls (animated via the animation system)?
23:57.41the-golemTHe way I would do it is, something like this
23:57.58Esamynntem: I'll look again tonight, I might be mis-remembering, but I don't think so
23:58.18temThe one who hits like a truck is the first boss of northrend beasts
23:58.20temon hard mode
23:58.25temjesus his impale hurts
23:58.26Esamynnlol
23:58.53temhaven't tried him in 25s yet, but that fight gave us the most trouble of them all last night
23:59.02the-golemhmmmm
23:59.04temin fact, the next two are practically trivial in comparison
23:59.20Kaziethe-golem: What's up?
23:59.30the-golemwell, i dunno how to phrase it in lua, but i would basically compare the unittype with the power level.
23:59.46temAlso, faction champions is the lamest fight I've seen in a raid yet

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