| 00:00.18 | the-golem | :-/ |
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| 00:00.47 | the-golem | that'd be a rather large map |
| 00:01.36 | Yssaril | the-golem: would use the existing ingame maps :) |
| 00:02.04 | Yssaril | with small 3d models overlaying the skulls :) |
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| 00:05.10 | Yssaril | ohhh but i can set it to http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=29147#screenshots:id=98210 i guess |
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| 00:14.41 | the-golem | vomits |
| 00:14.53 | the-golem | I just read that Disney wants to buy Marvel |
| 00:15.17 | Kraps | the-golem: qq moar |
| 00:15.24 | NightHawkTheSane | s/wants to/will/ |
| 00:15.58 | NightHawkTheSane | i dont see the big deal |
| 00:16.35 | Kraps | ^ |
| 00:16.35 | the-golem | Kraps: I will thanks. |
| 00:16.40 | Kraps | np |
| 00:16.44 | Kraps | laters |
| 00:17.28 | mikma | the-golem: imagine, Mickey Mouse and Wolverine from same company.. ah hahaha |
| 00:17.56 | Yssaril | woot marvel vs disney arcade game :) |
| 00:18.32 | the-golem | hence the vomit |
| 00:19.43 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, disney owns lots of stuff. marvel's doing fine, they wont fuck with it. *shrug* |
| 00:20.53 | Arrowmaster | its just so disney can make movies based on marvel comics without having to go through the trouble of getting the rights |
| 00:21.10 | NightHawkTheSane | which they'd be able to do if they wanted, regardless. |
| 00:21.20 | bleeter | or marvel can get movies done without goig through all the trouble of vetting production houses |
| 00:21.21 | Arrowmaster | well they have to pay for the rights |
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| 00:21.41 | NightHawkTheSane | well yeah, but whether the pay for the rights, or pay for the company, if they want it, they'll get it |
| 00:21.43 | Arrowmaster | now other movie studios have to pay disney |
| 00:22.21 | the-golem | I can see it now |
| 00:22.26 | bleeter | actually, makes more sense marvel shopping for production house |
| 00:22.31 | the-golem | Adds for Hannah Montana in my Thor comic books |
| 00:22.47 | the-golem | s/Adds/Ads/ |
| 00:22.57 | the-golem | lulz |
| 00:23.01 | NightHawkTheSane | riiiight. |
| 00:23.11 | bleeter | ads for thor in your hanna montana books |
| 00:23.13 | NightHawkTheSane | and if you believe that, i have a bridge to sell you |
| 00:23.25 | the-golem | *shrug* |
| 00:23.28 | bleeter | better yet, ads for thor in your hannah montana distro =) |
| 00:25.38 | the-golem | idk. It just feels wrong somewhere down in my core. |
| 00:26.01 | the-golem | Then again, Warner bought DC whenever back, and that hasn't really done anything to it. *shrug* |
| 00:26.19 | bleeter | seems to recall some fairly crazy adverts in his comics back in his youth |
| 00:26.59 | Lunessa | X-Ray Specs! 10,000 plastic soldiers in a box! Build a strong body in 9 days! |
| 00:28.43 | Zyn | can't wait to team up with Deadpool in the next Kingdom Hearts game |
| 00:28.45 | Zyn | do ho ho ho |
| 00:30.23 | Adys | we split the Yahoo protocol plugin into two, one to handle the Yahoo JAPAN network and one to handle the rest of the world's Yahoo network. |
| 00:30.24 | Adys | ouch |
| 00:30.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: you forgot the "build your own hovercraft for $2.99!" |
| 00:31.25 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I'm still placing that add - how do you think I payed for BlizzCon? |
| 00:32.10 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: well, I hope you at least had half a beer off my money :P |
| 00:32.37 | Lunessa | laughs heartily. |
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| 00:50.05 | Shirik | does HDMI have some method of determining what monitor is at the other end (i.e., what resolutions it supports)? |
| 00:50.10 | Jerub | yes |
| 00:50.17 | Shirik | My 360 is being all "lol u not can do 1080p" |
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| 00:52.00 | Esamynn | Shirik: HDMI is electronically compatible with DVI |
| 00:52.03 | Esamynn | just fyi |
| 00:52.46 | Shirik | I know that |
| 00:52.54 | Shirik | eh |
| 00:52.56 | ScytheBlade1 | what |
| 00:52.58 | Shirik | I guess that implies some things |
| 00:53.03 | ScytheBlade1 | what's a good cooldown tracking mod? |
| 00:53.14 | Shirik | a brain |
| 00:53.29 | Esamynn | chuckles |
| 00:53.32 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: that really depends. :\ |
| 00:53.36 | ScytheBlade1 | okay shirik |
| 00:53.49 | ScytheBlade1 | You remember a 3m CD, 15s CD, 30s refresh, 10s refresh, and 4 procs |
| 00:53.49 | ScytheBlade1 | go |
| 00:54.03 | Esamynn | easy peasy |
| 00:54.06 | ScytheBlade1 | oh and another 3m CD |
| 00:54.35 | Shirik | wtf |
| 00:54.39 | Shirik | my brother has committed identity theft |
| 00:54.44 | Esamynn | ??? |
| 00:54.50 | Esamynn | against you? |
| 00:54.52 | Shirik | I cannot register my xbox with my email address because it's already in use |
| 00:54.53 | industrial | durr I've lost it, how do I make a macro to cast a spell on the target OR mouseover (also petattack) |
| 00:55.01 | Shirik | so I logged into xbox live online to figure out why it's in use |
| 00:55.06 | Shirik | and I see his gamertag |
| 00:55.10 | Esamynn | HAHAHA |
| 00:55.12 | Shadowed | haha |
| 00:55.13 | industrial | lol :> |
| 00:55.16 | Dagmar | Well, it's a good thing your parents had more than one kid then |
| 00:55.24 | Dagmar | They won't miss one goin' missin'. |
| 00:55.32 | industrial | aw |
| 00:55.38 | Esamynn | ~lart Dagmar |
| 00:55.38 | purl | hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at Dagmar |
| 00:56.00 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 00:56.00 | purl | :), Esamynn |
| 00:56.15 | Lunessa | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/8/31/ - lulz |
| 00:56.37 | NightHawkTheSane | no.. THIS is lulz: http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp08312009.shtml |
| 00:58.29 | Esamynn | ... |
| 00:58.42 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: you can move the gamertag to a different live account |
| 00:58.55 | Arrowmaster | ive done it |
| 00:59.31 | Shirik | I will probably yell at him tomorrow or something |
| 00:59.40 | Esamynn | wait, you seriously cannot have more than 1 X-Box tied to an account? |
| 00:59.46 | Arrowmaster | youll still need to move the gamertag to a different account |
| 01:00.15 | Arrowmaster | Esamynn: no you cant have more than one XboxLive gamertag on a live account |
| 01:00.24 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 01:00.24 | Esamynn | ok |
| 01:01.00 | industrial | why tie an xbox to an account thats silly, then you cant play at a friends house etc ? :\ |
| 01:01.25 | Arrowmaster | xboxes arent tied to an account |
| 01:01.33 | ScytheBlade1 | What's the macro conditional for the vehicle/pet bar? |
| 01:01.34 | Esamynn | ahh ok, I guess I misunderstood |
| 01:01.38 | ScytheBlade1 | [bonusbar:5] ? |
| 01:01.41 | Esamynn | doesn't have an xbox |
| 01:01.42 | ScytheBlade1 | err, vehicle/possess |
| 01:02.04 | bleeter | CMON N900 |
| 01:02.08 | bleeter | oops sorry |
| 01:02.14 | Arrowmaster | you need a profile to use an xbox though, but that profile can either be local or it can be an XboxLive gamertag (gold or silver) |
| 01:02.14 | Esamynn | bleeter: hmm? |
| 01:02.15 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 01:02.20 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: no release dates, from what I've seen. |
| 01:02.37 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: it's not what you know... ;) :P |
| 01:02.46 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 01:02.54 | Arrowmaster | bleeter: can you run android apps on it? |
| 01:02.54 | bleeter | Esamynn: the debian phone from nokia |
| 01:03.01 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 01:03.04 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: android apps on debian? why? |
| 01:03.19 | jnwhiteh | I'd love to get my hands on one, I've looked at the SDK |
| 01:03.24 | bleeter | well, s/debian/maemo a debian derived OS/ |
| 01:03.46 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: the SDK is quite teh sexor |
| 01:04.01 | jnwhiteh | nokia has the advantage of being a hardware company as well :P |
| 01:04.17 | jnwhiteh | availability and selection of android phones suck right now =( |
| 01:04.45 | Arrowmaster | bleeter: well id rather use a google created google voice app than one created by others for a specific phone |
| 01:05.02 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: yeah something tells me the n900 is gunna sell a lot faster than android phones ;) |
| 01:05.07 | Lunessa | ScytheBlade1: Yes |
| 01:05.11 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: huh? |
| 01:05.13 | jnwhiteh | for a lot more, as well from what I can see |
| 01:05.37 | Cloudwolf | rofl dalar mehndi has such random music videos |
| 01:05.37 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: do androids sell native unlocked? |
| 01:05.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Lunessa: thanks |
| 01:05.44 | bleeter | we still don't get them over here so Idk |
| 01:05.45 | jnwhiteh | the dev phone does |
| 01:05.49 | jnwhiteh | and you could order one, imo |
| 01:06.07 | jnwhiteh | but their lock status (and the os really) is totally up to the carrier. |
| 01:06.25 | Arrowmaster | dev phone is only the original model though i think, but theres only 2 models in use in the english speaking world afaik |
| 01:06.45 | jnwhiteh | There's the G1, the G2 (Magic) and the Dream |
| 01:06.48 | jnwhiteh | that I've seen |
| 01:07.09 | jnwhiteh | And the dev phone's battery life _sucks_ because its a dev phone :( |
| 01:07.15 | Arrowmaster | dream is the G1 |
| 01:07.33 | bleeter | well, needless to say nokia have been *far more* supportive of open source voice/video than google have ever been |
| 01:07.54 | jnwhiteh | There's magic, dream |
| 01:07.59 | jnwhiteh | the samsung galaxy looks nice :P |
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| 01:08.08 | jnwhiteh | oh and the hero |
| 01:08.16 | jnwhiteh | i get so confused =) |
| 01:08.29 | jnwhiteh | bleeter: what makes you say that? I'm not in ahy way disputing.. just wondering what you're referring to |
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| 01:10.44 | Jerub | google is using flv and opposed ogg theora for html5, even though flv is a closed crappy format. |
| 01:10.48 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: history of voice/video in pidgin |
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| 01:11.45 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: pidgin lead was google employee, was totally against using the sane gstreamer solution. used argument from authority. the guys who were interested and capable gave up because of google's attitude |
| 01:11.52 | Arrowmaster | google opposed theora because theyve already got their entire system setup for h264, but they said they would support theora in chrome |
| 01:11.58 | jnwhiteh | okay! |
| 01:12.02 | jnwhiteh | thanks. |
| 01:12.18 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: meanwhile, over in nokia land, farsight was being paid for by Nokia through maemo/tablet development |
| 01:12.18 | Jerub | and h264 is even less open. |
| 01:12.35 | bleeter | farsight/telepathy |
| 01:12.42 | Arrowmaster | exactly, it cannot be added to firefox |
| 01:13.32 | bleeter | what's dirac's status at the moment? |
| 01:13.55 | Arrowmaster | google and apple should just tell the fuckwads at mpeg to release the patents on h264 and make it completely open if they wanted it to be part of a core internet standard |
| 01:14.00 | bleeter | seem to recall they were saying at the start of the year they should have decent internet streaming by around now |
| 01:14.08 | bleeter | as opposed to the whole DTV thing |
| 01:14.18 | Jerub | what's frustrating to me is that no one cares about codecs outside of browsers because everyone just uses vlc because it's a better media player than everything else. |
| 01:14.25 | Jerub | and runs on all platforms. |
| 01:14.27 | Arrowmaster | no its not |
| 01:14.35 | Jerub | but official discussions can only involved WMP/QuickTime/Totem. |
| 01:14.36 | Arrowmaster | VLC is fucking crap, it cant decode accurately worth shit |
| 01:14.39 | Codayus | Naaa, VLC is a fairly horrible media player. |
| 01:14.55 | Codayus | The interface makes my sad. It just supports a bunch of random codecs. :) |
| 01:15.13 | Jerub | And Quicktime is better? :D |
| 01:15.14 | bleeter | supports bunch of random codecs = better (as far as avg user goes) |
| 01:15.25 | Arrowmaster | mplayer supports more |
| 01:15.28 | bleeter | no one biting on the Dirac question? |
| 01:15.56 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: I never had much fun using mplayer on windows |
| 01:16.00 | bleeter | though tbh ain't tried for a while |
| 01:16.34 | Arrowmaster | i had it working but the scaling wasnt good |
| 01:16.50 | Arrowmaster | and i had issues with the font cache wanting to regenerate every time |
| 01:17.26 | Codayus | Current state of codecs annoys me. WTB good open lossless video codec that supports 32 bits per pixel. :( |
| 01:17.30 | Arrowmaster | i used it for the framedrop feature when i had stuff that i couldnt play in MPC-HC because my processor was too slow |
| 01:17.51 | Codayus | (I admit, that's probably nothing the average user wants...) |
| 01:17.53 | Jerub | no 'official' media player supports all the useful codecs. that's what shits me. |
| 01:18.32 | bleeter | Codayus: lossless dirac doesn't? |
| 01:18.42 | Jerub | so everyone ends up installing third party crap and having to google and avoid "pay $15 for a license" websites. |
| 01:18.49 | Codayus | bleeter: zomg wut? *googles* |
| 01:19.23 | Arrowmaster | Codayus: ive heard good things about Lagarith |
| 01:19.57 | bleeter | Codayus: last I checked in, was still developmental. I dunno, I was asking you! :P |
| 01:20.20 | Arrowmaster | Jerub: if they are on windows people should just install cccp+quicktime lite (or quicktime if they want to use crap like itunes)+realplayer lite |
| 01:20.28 | Codayus | Not tried dirac. Lagarith...hm, didn't look too closely because it appeared it wasn't widely enough supported. |
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| 01:20.55 | Codayus | I ended up opting for quicktime; their png codec is really quite decent for my purposes. |
| 01:20.56 | bleeter | http://diracvideo.org/ |
| 01:20.57 | Arrowmaster | Codayus: its not widely supported |
| 01:22.09 | Lunessa | http://graphjam.com/2009/08/26/song-chart-memes-have-girlfriend/ |
| 01:22.38 | Codayus | Well, by support...I think I gave up on Lagarith's OS X support? |
| 01:22.38 | bleeter | Lunessa: hah |
| 01:23.09 | Esamynn | poor Paladins |
| 01:24.23 | Codayus | bleeter: Huh, having trouble figuring out if dirac even does lossless. Stupid website. >< |
| 01:25.54 | bleeter | Codayus: I'm fairly certain that what they were saying at linux.conf.au is that when they moved vision n stuff between studios at the 2008 Olympics, they didn't lose anything |
| 01:25.59 | Codayus | Ooh, Dirac Pro... 10 bit 4:2:2 colorspace, and "lossless of visually lossless". Sexy. |
| 01:26.10 | bleeter | Codayus: it's developed by the BBC ;) |
| 01:26.18 | bleeter | well, lead by |
| 01:26.34 | bleeter | coz they hate the patents as much as everyone else etc. etc. |
| 01:26.34 | Arrowmaster | since when is 4:2:2 lossless? |
| 01:26.42 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: that was a joke, right? |
| 01:26.46 | Jerub | quicktime? realplayer? |
| 01:27.44 | bleeter | Codayus: though the singular spanner in the works is hardware vendors. they have to make some $ somewhere, so there may be the occasional bump. |
| 01:27.49 | Codayus | Arrowmaster: I assume that's why they say "or visually lossless", which is the kind of weasel words that can hide a wealth of crimes. |
| 01:28.15 | Codayus | Besides, 4:2:2 is fine. :) |
| 01:28.51 | bleeter | so yeah, beats me why W3C ain't pushing the dirac barrow. I guess it's because the BBC is some evil govt dept. |
| 01:29.17 | bleeter | cue Murdoch Jr |
| 01:29.21 | Arrowmaster | h264 can do a 4:4:4 'lossless' im not sure if you can get a bit exact copy of what you put into it back out though |
| 01:30.20 | Codayus | Arrowmaster: Rumor has it that the spec does support that, but I wasted a week of my life convincing myself I couldn't find an implementation that did. ffmpeg just mocked me. >< |
| 01:31.09 | Arrowmaster | yeah thats the only problem, i couldnt find any info on if it was just part of the spec or did anything actually support it yet |
| 01:32.55 | Esamynn | wth does 4:2:2 and 4:4:4 mean? |
| 01:33.25 | Codayus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroma_subsampling |
| 01:33.33 | Arrowmaster | i was just about to link that |
| 01:34.16 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 01:34.17 | Esamynn | ty |
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| 01:42.39 | bleeter | that stuff did my head in when I studied it years ago |
| 01:42.49 | bleeter | though I think that was more because I was still recovering from a week of optics |
| 01:43.17 | bleeter | designing lenses and the like... understood enough at the time to scrape a pass, then promptly forgot |
| 01:44.09 | Esamynn | I know how that works |
| 01:44.20 | Esamynn | I feel like I did that with math some days :( |
| 01:46.17 | bleeter | I get the concepts and stuff, just the hardcore zoom lense design n stuff was aragrhargh |
| 01:46.34 | bleeter | didn't help that the lecturer was hazy on it too... he was day to day a sound guy hah |
| 01:46.58 | Esamynn | lol |
| 01:48.23 | bleeter | come to think of it, if the course were done these days it'd probably be easier as there are CCD pickups, not just a bunch of tubes like it was back then |
| 01:48.26 | bleeter | cries for being old |
| 01:49.08 | Arrowmaster | wait blu-ray uses mpeg2 transport streams too like dvd does? does that mean it doesnt really know about 'frames' either and just knows 'fields' |
| 01:52.03 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: think mpeg2 was all early discs. but the spec is mpeg2, mpeg4/h.264 and smpte vc-1 |
| 01:52.14 | bleeter | ie, players have to do all of them |
| 01:52.36 | Arrowmaster | mpeg2 transport streams is how all the information is stored tough |
| 01:52.59 | bleeter | mm yeah just reading nm |
| 01:53.03 | bleeter | k |
| 01:53.51 | bleeter | so it'd seem yeah :) |
| 01:54.48 | Arrowmaster | makes me wonder if the progressive is really progressive or if its all stored in interlaced fields but to be 'progressive' the fields are just marked in such a way that it can easily produce a progressive frame from them |
| 01:56.31 | Archegos | is there an API for detecting the pitch of the camera in wow? |
| 01:56.41 | tem | !api GetCamera |
| 01:56.41 | lua_bot | CommentatorGetCamera: This is a Blizzard internal function (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/CommentatorGetCamera) |
| 01:56.50 | tem | damnit that's not what I wanted |
| 01:56.56 | tem | !api Yaw |
| 01:56.56 | lua_bot | FlipCameraYaw: Rotates the camera around the player (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/FlipCameraYaw) |
| 01:57.02 | Arrowmaster | theres hacky ways |
| 01:57.04 | Arrowmaster | using cvars |
| 01:57.06 | tem | !Pitch |
| 01:57.14 | tem | !api Pitch |
| 01:57.15 | lua_bot | Found 5 possible results for 'Pitch': PitchUpStop, PitchDownStop, GetUnitPitch, PitchUpStart, PitchDownStart |
| 01:57.37 | tem | Arrowmaster wins this round |
| 01:57.40 | Arrowmaster | GetUnitPitch is the unit pitch not the camera pitch |
| 01:57.55 | tem | no |
| 01:57.56 | tem | nod |
| 01:58.04 | tem | I kan tipe guud |
| 01:58.08 | Arrowmaster | i found an old addon called PingDir that used the cvar method to do it |
| 01:58.43 | tem | Okay, how did I ever miss this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sji46_rg4ec |
| 01:58.48 | tem | because it's awesome |
| 01:59.04 | Arrowmaster | but its kinda buggy due to inconsistencies in what the cvars are set to |
| 02:01.19 | Archegos | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/flight-hud.aspx |
| 02:01.22 | Archegos | looks promising |
| 02:03.10 | Jerub | how do i figure out what ArP i have? |
| 02:06.07 | bleeter | tem: nice |
| 02:06.41 | tem | someone didn't even try to figure that one out on his own |
| 02:08.44 | Gnarfoz | ~seen neotron |
| 02:08.47 | purl | neotron is currently on #wowuidev (20h 46m 42s) #wowace (20h 46m 42s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 8h 12m 25s, last said: 'there's good, there's bad and then there's Forte'. |
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| 02:14.45 | Archegos | !api VehicleAimGetAngle |
| 02:14.46 | lua_bot | VehicleAimGetAngle: Returns the aim angle of a vehicle weapon (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/VehicleAimGetAngle) |
| 02:15.10 | Archegos | supposedly it works both in and out of vehicles |
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| 02:21.21 | Kraps | http://online.barrons.com/article/SB125150805017468583.html?page=1 |
| 02:21.22 | NightHawkTheSane | what would be the point out of a vehicle? |
| 02:22.41 | alestane | "This Just In: Fire Still Hot!" |
| 02:23.06 | Archegos | math.floor(math.abs(math.deg(VehicleAimGetAngle()))) this will get you the absolute degrees of camera pitch, only works with right mouse though |
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| 02:25.54 | Kraps | is the fifth element a good movie? |
| 02:26.05 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 02:26.12 | Iriel | Yes |
| 02:26.16 | alestane | Mezzo-mezzo. |
| 02:26.45 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, as long as you dont take it seriously |
| 02:27.07 | alestane | Has good aspects, has some pretty bogus moments. |
| 02:27.21 | Kraps | its sci-fi /shrug |
| 02:27.35 | NightHawkTheSane | as long as you're willing to enjoy the absurdities, its quite awesome |
| 02:28.08 | Kraps | does willis blow shit up? |
| 02:28.15 | Iriel | Yes |
| 02:28.16 | Arrowmaster | everything |
| 02:28.22 | NightHawkTheSane | is the sky blue? |
| 02:28.22 | Arrowmaster | he blows everything up |
| 02:28.25 | NightHawkTheSane | is water wet? |
| 02:28.29 | Yssaril | what would be the best aproach to a resizable window in wow that keeps its aspect ratio i want to be able to resize it by dragging the lower right corner |
| 02:28.30 | mikma | i love fifth element |
| 02:28.31 | NightHawkTheSane | when the fuck DOESNT bruce willis blow shit up? |
| 02:28.33 | Kraps | then its good enough for me |
| 02:28.55 | alestane | Shit gets blown up. Willis is involved. Whether or not he does the actually blowing up of things is largely immaterial. |
| 02:29.25 | Iriel | It also has Gary Oldman playing a bad guy |
| 02:29.28 | Iriel | I enjoy that too |
| 02:29.28 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane & mikma: Kung-Fu Opera! Gun-Play. Air-Car Crash-Up Derby. What's not to love? |
| 02:29.36 | mikma | oh but he blows up lots of shit at floston paradise!!! |
| 02:29.37 | Iriel | Although he's not as good as he COULD have been |
| 02:29.46 | Lunessa | Iriel: Yes. Zorg is awesome. |
| 02:30.39 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: who said i didn't love it? :P |
| 02:30.49 | Lunessa | I didn't say you didn't. |
| 02:31.05 | mikma | maybe its time to watch fifth element tomorrow |
| 02:31.25 | Torhal | Iriel: Ross Perot voiced that character. Had to have been him. |
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| 02:31.45 | mikma | GIMME THE CASSSSSSSSSSH |
| 02:32.01 | NightHawkTheSane | mikma: i find your ideas intriguing and wish to subscribe to your newsletter |
| 02:32.02 | bleeter | eep http://gizmodo.com/5349681/brams-cube-takes-the-rubiks-cube-and-makes-it-devastatingly-hard |
| 02:32.41 | mikma | you've been here long? |
| 02:32.56 | mikma | LONG ENOUGH! NOW GIMME THE CASSSSSSSSH! |
| 02:33.14 | NightHawkTheSane | also, i blame all of you for making me fuck up and add too much water to my pancake mix :( |
| 02:33.28 | mikma | OOH pancakes |
| 02:33.31 | Dagmar | GO BRAM |
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| 02:34.04 | mikma | sleepytime. love ya esamynn, hate ya fisker |
| 02:34.11 | Dagmar | Of course if you can sort out the madness that is PtP you can turn a rubik's cube into a f**king NIGHTMARE |
| 02:35.49 | Adys | wow |
| 02:35.54 | Adys | this is the best slashdot comment ever |
| 02:35.55 | Adys | http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1353305&cid=29264373 |
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| 02:36.21 | Esamynn | lol |
| 02:36.27 | cogwheel | FBs tekkub |
| 02:36.51 | Dagmar | It would have been a better article had hte woman been fired for sending entirely all-caps emails |
| 02:37.40 | Dagmar | ...but hey, until they start letting us downrank histrionic article titles, I guess we'll continue to see stupid things overblown like that |
| 02:37.57 | Iriel | That struck me as one of those non-story stories -- Woman fired unfairly with stupid reason wins lawsuit against former employer. End of case. |
| 02:38.02 | Dagmar | It's time Slachdot let us moderate the editors |
| 02:38.22 | Adys | I stopped reading slashdot articles months ago |
| 02:38.26 | Adys | i just read the comments now |
| 02:38.49 | bleeter | Adys: spose you don't have the ptr d/l's hanging anywhere |
| 02:39.02 | Adys | which ones? |
| 02:39.12 | bleeter | er.. 10257->10357 right now |
| 02:39.23 | Dagmar | I'm just waiting for them to let an article slip about some minor class change in WoW where the "editor" titles the story "BLIZZARD RUINS WOW" |
| 02:39.29 | bleeter | unless you think ptr is going live tonight, then I won't bother |
| 02:39.42 | Dagmar | bleeter: I would like that |
| 02:39.42 | Esamynn | haha |
| 02:40.05 | Dagmar | It would amuse me to see the people scalping jurmungar scales on my server realize the thing they're scalping ingredients for is only usable by leatherworkers |
| 02:40.22 | Adys | lemme see |
| 02:40.32 | Dagmar | I *thought* I'd buy some more. THey're at 300%+ what they were before it was formally announced |
| 02:40.43 | Dagmar | THankfully, my cornucopia of a mailbox has about 200 |
| 02:40.44 | Adys | enUS or enGB? |
| 02:40.54 | Dagmar | I like this new mail addon |
| 02:41.07 | Torhal | Adys: I stopped reading most Slashdot articles when Jon Katz was still writing for them. |
| 02:41.12 | Torhal | :D |
| 02:41.31 | bleeter | Adys: enUS |
| 02:41.36 | Dagmar | Torhal: So long as you didn't depart for Kuroshin |
| 02:41.40 | bleeter | Torhal: I stopped reading /. last century :P |
| 02:41.44 | Adys | bleeter: coming up in a min |
| 02:42.02 | bleeter | Adys: champion :) will prolly need subsequent stuff to that, too... at a guess |
| 02:42.03 | Torhal | Dagmar: Nah. The 5 in the name screamed "We're hip! Read us!" |
| 02:42.18 | Adys | theres no subseq.. wtf |
| 02:42.19 | Torhal | Plus the intentional mis-spelling of "corrosion" |
| 02:42.20 | Dagmar | I was unimpressed with their willingness to put works of fiction up as "news" |
| 02:42.22 | Adys | grr |
| 02:42.27 | Adys | nm bleeter only got enGB |
| 02:42.38 | bleeter | Adys: np, I'll see if kd3's about... :/ |
| 02:42.47 | kd3 | hm? |
| 02:42.59 | Adys | I think kd3 is about |
| 02:43.17 | kd3 | scrolls up |
| 02:43.20 | bleeter | kd3: you got PTR 10257->10357 patch anywhere? |
| 02:43.35 | kd3 | ya |
| 02:43.39 | kd3 | it should be on the wiki too |
| 02:43.59 | kd3 | which will be far faster than me trying to send it |
| 02:44.18 | bleeter | rightio |
| 02:44.28 | bleeter | unless, of course, you think PTR's going live tonight then I won't bother |
| 02:44.42 | kd3 | it isn't |
| 02:45.25 | Adys | Wow what the hell |
| 02:45.33 | Adys | getting blackscreen in 10371 |
| 02:46.53 | Adys | kd3: are you able to log in ptr 10371 at all? |
| 02:47.08 | kd3 | sec, lemme restart. gfx drivers got updated since the last time I logged in |
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| 02:51.54 | batrick | god someone needs to parallelize tar + bzip2 |
| 02:51.56 | batrick | after more than an hour of CPU time, 12 gigs |
| 02:53.51 | Dagmar | batrick: What good would it do? |
| 02:53.59 | Dagmar | bzip2 is the time sink |
| 02:54.09 | batrick | by having bzip2 running on all (most) of the cores |
| 02:54.24 | batrick | compress multiple files at once |
| 02:54.27 | batrick | instead of serially |
| 02:54.30 | Dagmar | I mean, it would be cool if it would benefit from it, but we don't have a multi-threaded bzip2 and tar is entirely sequential |
| 02:54.43 | batrick | don't need to multi-thread bzip2 |
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| 02:54.52 | batrick | you need to have tar spawn multiple bzip2s |
| 02:54.58 | Dagmar | If you wanted multiple cores to work on one decompression task you would |
| 02:55.12 | bleeter | um |
| 02:55.12 | batrick | i'm talking about compression |
| 02:55.18 | Dagmar | Yes, obvDisk /dev/hda: 250.0 GB, 250059350016 bytes |
| 02:55.18 | Dagmar | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders |
| 02:55.18 | Dagmar | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes |
| 02:55.18 | Dagmar | Disk identifier: 0x75b0b96a |
| 02:55.18 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.19 | Dagmar | Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes |
| 02:55.21 | Dagmar | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders |
| 02:55.23 | Dagmar | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes |
| 02:55.25 | Dagmar | Disk identifier: 0xc1faf2f6 |
| 02:55.26 | Iriel | There's a compression efficiency tradeoff there tho |
| 02:55.27 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:55.27 | bleeter | NOOO |
| 02:55.31 | Thunder_Child | fail spam |
| 02:55.31 | Dagmar | pardon while I stab this fumblepad with a screwdrivers |
| 02:55.32 | batrick | Dagmar: wtf spam |
| 02:55.39 | bleeter | lol Dagmar |
| 02:55.46 | Adys | SPAMMER |
| 02:55.47 | batrick | Iriel: ? |
| 02:55.47 | Iriel | You COULD compress each file independently but you lose some of the benefits of compressing the whole stream |
| 02:55.48 | Adys | OUT OUT OUT |
| 02:55.54 | Dagmar | bleeter: The problem si that bzip has to decompress it before tar can even look at it |
| 02:55.58 | Dagmar | Tar is *not* the holdup. Bzip is |
| 02:56.24 | Dagmar | ...and be glad most of those lines started with /dev |
| 02:56.31 | Dagmar | I got a screenful of bitching from BitchX |
| 02:56.37 | bleeter | Dagmar: solution, don't tar files you're planning to bzip? |
| 02:56.41 | batrick | I - am - not -talking - about - decompression |
| 02:56.48 | Dagmar | At least I know what I've done with all these damn partiitons now |
| 02:56.57 | Iriel | I - realize - this |
| 02:57.05 | batrick | I was talking to Dagmar |
| 02:57.16 | Arrowmaster | i thought bzip2 was a block compression format so wouldnt it break if tar passed individual files to it, more like tar should split up the file into blocks first and pass chucks to different bzip2 threads |
| 02:57.32 | Iriel | it doesn't break, but I dont think you get optimal compression |
| 02:57.46 | Dagmar | Yeah except that tar just makes it's long-ass spool file and then hands it to bzip |
| 02:57.52 | Iriel | sinc eyou have to restart the symbol table for each file |
| 02:57.58 | Dagmar | bzip is the outer structure, not the inner one |
| 02:58.17 | Arrowmaster | so yeah really its bzip2 that needs to be multithreaded so it can do it on its own |
| 02:58.19 | batrick | I'm curious whether that is a big deal or not |
| 02:58.36 | Iriel | You could invert that though, I mean if you're writing scripts to assist yourself, you could make tar the outer structure |
| 02:58.41 | Dagmar | If there were some integration beyond one calling the other, there'd be something more than praying for multi-threaded bzip we could do |
| 02:58.47 | Arrowmaster | batrick: you know why .zip sucks so much at compression? it compesses each file individually |
| 02:59.16 | Dagmar | Unless you just plain made bzip _faster_ nothing would make it work better than it does now |
| 02:59.54 | Iriel | Now, if the files in question are say, several hundred MB each, I suspect the benefit of the single stream versus multiple streams is minimal |
| 02:59.55 | Arrowmaster | batrick: are you compressing or decompressing? |
| 03:00.05 | Iriel | he's compressing, I believe |
| 03:00.06 | batrick | compressing |
| 03:00.23 | Arrowmaster | good, over an hour decompressing is just wrong |
| 03:00.41 | batrick | ya well, i have another 100 gigs to go |
| 03:00.43 | batrick | so this is painful |
| 03:00.57 | Dagmar | NOW we get to ask the fun question |
| 03:01.09 | Dagmar | ARe you actually compressing largely already-compressed data? |
| 03:01.13 | Arrowmaster | why are you using bzip2? |
| 03:01.21 | Dagmar | ...and if so, why aren't you taking your pills. |
| 03:01.29 | Arrowmaster | over another compression format |
| 03:01.36 | batrick | no dagmar, it's a backup |
| 03:01.41 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: bzip2 is slow, but it beats everyone else for how well it compresses |
| 03:01.56 | Dagmar | Patrick *finally* switched the SLackware package installer to using bzip2 |
| 03:02.04 | batrick | what? |
| 03:02.07 | Dagmar | Maybe next year he'll stop ignoring the use of bzip2 for man pages |
| 03:02.10 | Arrowmaster | i thought 7z was considered the best compression |
| 03:02.25 | cogwheel | Creative Fail! http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/thank%20you%20creative.png |
| 03:02.52 | Dagmar | I thought that was the alg bzip uses |
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| 03:03.59 | Dagmar | ...Wikipedia seems to think so too, but it's hard to tell with those types of articles |
| 03:04.27 | Arrowmaster | wikipedia does not say that bzip2 uses lzma |
| 03:04.41 | Arrowmaster | it says that lzma is better than bzip2 but a lot slower to compress |
| 03:05.15 | Adys | cogwheel: looks like uncreative fail to me |
| 03:05.23 | Dagmar | It's listed under Compression Method Filters |
| 03:06.49 | Arrowmaster | "Motivated by the large CPU time required for compression, a modified version was created in 2003 called pbzip2 that supported multi-threading, giving almost linear speed improvements on multi-CPU and multi-core computers. As of January 2008[update], this functionality has not been incorporated into the main project." |
| 03:07.21 | Dagmar | Yeah which sucks |
| 03:07.27 | Dagmar | My installs would defintely go faster |
| 03:07.42 | alestane | cogwheel: 404 |
| 03:08.19 | Arrowmaster | bzip2 uses BurrowsâWheeler transform, 7z uses Lempel-Ziv-Markov chain algorithm |
| 03:08.24 | Dagmar | INterestin' |
| 03:09.15 | Arrowmaster | also using 7zip its possible to create zip files using LZMA, but i dont know if they are readable on all platforms |
| 03:09.52 | Dagmar | Still, I thought we were discussing why bzip2 is ruining bleeter's life... ;) |
| 03:11.49 | batrick | Arrowmaster thank you for pointing that out. |
| 03:12.35 | Arrowmaster | batrick: 7zip is multithreaded, dont know if that includeds p7zip the nix version |
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| 03:13.43 | cogwheel | alestane: *shrug* wfm... maybe your link parser failed? |
| 03:14.10 | alestane | Maybe, it apparently slipped a %25 into there for some reason. |
| 03:15.13 | alestane | Yeah, it gets passed to Firefox as http://cogwheel.info/upload/files/thank%2520you%2520creative.png |
| 03:15.27 | alestane | Seems like fail on Adium's part. |
| 03:15.39 | Dagmar | Serious fail |
| 03:15.46 | Dagmar | a 404 on the 404 page |
| 03:16.05 | Arrowmaster | xchat is giving me tons of trouble with urls |
| 03:16.12 | Dagmar | Steal mine.... http://pawsforconcern.org/doesnotexist.lol |
| 03:16.14 | Arrowmaster | i click them but it isnt wanting to open them |
| 03:16.26 | Thunder_Child | you are tons of trouble Arrowmaster |
| 03:16.32 | Arrowmaster | but i can right click and do open with browser and it works |
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| 03:17.07 | kd3 | sighs |
| 03:17.11 | bleeter | LZMA2 > others |
| 03:17.19 | kd3 | gah. and it didn't even freaking work |
| 03:17.29 | bleeter | kd3: sounds like you need http://gizmodo.com/5349756/fixing-a-computer-is-easy |
| 03:17.29 | kd3 | tries again |
| 03:17.47 | Thunder_Child | one of the best 404 pages ever http://www.homestarrunner.com/systemisdown.html |
| 03:18.57 | Jerub | Is it possible to export your equipment build like wowarmory does, but showing all your armor sets? |
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| 03:21.25 | Adys | Thunder_Child: no |
| 03:21.27 | Adys | flash on a 404 |
| 03:21.28 | Adys | no |
| 03:22.20 | Dagmar | It's HomeStarRunner. |
| 03:22.23 | Dagmar | 'nuff said |
| 03:22.41 | Adys | I thought it was HomesTarUnNer |
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| 03:26.13 | bleeter | Adys: yeah I get nothing but black, I ain't updated anything since my last boot (afaik) |
| 03:26.31 | Adys | oh |
| 03:26.32 | Adys | hm |
| 03:26.35 | Adys | kd3: anything? |
| 03:26.41 | bleeter | kd3 seems to be crashing out |
| 03:26.46 | kd3 | the nvidia driver's screwing me over. I'll be back in a few |
| 03:26.47 | Adys | fedora. |
| 03:26.49 | bleeter | I had a bit of that, then set gxWindow |
| 03:26.57 | Adys | yeha i always play windowed |
| 03:27.05 | Adys | hm |
| 03:27.07 | kd3 | x can't find the driver even though it's looking right at it |
| 03:27.07 | Adys | ill try in d3d |
| 03:27.09 | kd3 | ponders |
| 03:27.12 | bleeter | yeah the nvidia driver was crashing X |
| 03:27.17 | bleeter | 'til I went windowed |
| 03:27.21 | bleeter | mm d3d yeah |
| 03:27.23 | Lunessa | back tomorrow. |
| 03:27.34 | Adys | works fine in d3d |
| 03:27.41 | bleeter | using wine origin |
| 03:27.48 | Adys | I wonder if its actually a wine bug |
| 03:27.59 | bleeter | shudders |
| 03:29.21 | bleeter | Adys: a simple turning down of FX didn't help |
| 03:29.25 | bleeter | could well be wine |
| 03:29.35 | Adys | testing it on windows atm |
| 03:30.05 | bleeter | getting distracted by coffee and mint-choc biscuits atm ;) |
| 03:34.43 | NightHawkTheSane | "You cannot associate a Gmail address with your Google Account." that's kinda fail. |
| 03:36.12 | Arrowmaster | whats more fail is i have two google accounts with the same name/email address, one is a google apps account |
| 03:36.13 | Adys | bleeter: def a wine bug |
| 03:36.32 | Dagmar | Strange |
| 03:36.37 | Arrowmaster | they arent linked in any way, one doesnt have gmail but they both have contacts calendar and reader |
| 03:36.49 | Dagmar | I've got two gmail accounts that are tied to my primary gmail account. |
| 03:37.01 | Dagmar | ...and a google apps account tied to one of them |
| 03:37.31 | Arrowmaster | the google apps account is really tied to it and not just listed as an alternate email address? |
| 03:37.46 | Dagmar | Yeah. |
| 03:37.58 | Dagmar | Probably because the thing was generated as a result of the tie-in from Dreamhost |
| 03:38.09 | Dagmar | I guess maybe that changes things forf them |
| 03:38.17 | bleeter | Adys: you 100% sure? Live still plays |
| 03:38.51 | Adys | 100% sure |
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| 03:42.09 | bleeter | Adys: I'll leave you to find it then :P |
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| 03:43.08 | bleeter | Adys: which is more about how I have to go pick the kids up from school soon, take them to gymnastics etc. than abandoning you with the problem for now |
| 03:43.11 | Jerub | sweet, vent works under wine now that i've set up wine's sound device. |
| 03:43.49 | Adys | nps bleeter |
| 03:43.56 | Adys | ill file a bug in a bit |
| 03:44.39 | bleeter | Adys: I'm just going through the changelog to see if anything sticks out as being blameworthy |
| 03:44.58 | bleeter | Adys: oh, hang on.. this is a brand new PTR build? |
| 03:45.07 | Adys | likely backported graphical changes from cataclysm |
| 03:45.08 | Adys | and yes |
| 03:45.22 | bleeter | ahhh |
| 03:46.22 | Dagmar | I just want a papercraft dwarf |
| 03:47.12 | bleeter | Adys: I'm more likely to believe that Blizz blew up Win32 OGL again... but I'm still prepared to defer to your opinion ;) |
| 03:47.27 | Adys | they may have |
| 03:47.32 | Adys | but it works on windows |
| 03:47.47 | bleeter | that could be a MS bug hahahaha |
| 03:47.50 | bleeter | :P |
| 03:47.55 | Adys | it could |
| 03:47.59 | Adys | which driver are you using? |
| 03:48.10 | bleeter | nvidia |
| 03:48.14 | Adys | version |
| 03:48.17 | bleeter | er |
| 03:48.24 | Adys | run nvidia-settings |
| 03:48.37 | bleeter | 185.18.14 x86_64 |
| 03:48.42 | Adys | ok |
| 03:48.49 | bleeter | 1.6.1.901 Xorg |
| 03:48.51 | Adys | I wouldnt mind a test on x86 |
| 03:49.02 | Adys | i use 190.1x or something on x64 |
| 03:49.18 | Torhal | Adys: I thought you were running Karmic? |
| 03:49.31 | Adys | .. yes? |
| 03:49.56 | Torhal | I'm using 185.18.36 |
| 03:49.58 | Torhal | Oh, you're running beta |
| 03:50.08 | Adys | i just installed it from the nvidia webkit |
| 03:50.11 | Adys | ... website |
| 03:50.13 | Torhal | Somehow I read that as 180.1.x |
| 03:50.30 | bleeter | well kd3's having issues |
| 03:50.36 | bleeter | might it even be nvidia themselves? |
| 03:50.45 | bleeter | ie, it screwed up his machine |
| 03:50.57 | Adys | its what I was thinking but I doubt it'd spawn over two different branches |
| 03:51.00 | Adys | 185 and 19x |
| 03:51.17 | bleeter | depends what the trigger is |
| 03:51.35 | Adys | at this point it could be anything |
| 03:51.37 | Adys | we'll see |
| 03:51.38 | bleeter | yar |
| 03:51.49 | Adys | doesn't hurt to report the bug anyway |
| 03:51.50 | Torhal | If he didn't kill X and uninstall the kernel modules before installing what he has now... |
| 03:51.55 | Torhal | shrugs. |
| 03:52.20 | Torhal | But that would most likely cause X to not start |
| 03:52.56 | bleeter | if I remove enough stuff from my lappy, I should be able to give it a go under the open source ATI drivers |
| 03:53.11 | bleeter | I've seen Wrath kinda work that way before, so... it'll at least be some kinda test |
| 03:55.21 | Adys | even if it works under ati and not nvidia [LOL] it doesn't mean its not wine |
| 03:58.38 | bleeter | or WoW |
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| 04:03.58 | Arrowmaster | so why the hell is stuff in different positions on the windows and linux versions of firefox? like why the hell is page info under tools on linux instead right next to page source under view like it is on windows? |
| 04:04.16 | kd3 | tradition? |
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| 04:05.16 | Iriel | It's like the mac and OSX versions of eclipse |
| 04:05.26 | Iriel | the different windowing systems have different style guides / conventions |
| 04:06.49 | batrick | mmmm 6 threads compressing |
| 04:07.14 | Adys | Arrowmaster: they call that "integration" |
| 04:07.32 | Adys | nevermind firefox got a REALLY SHIT styling under linux |
| 04:07.38 | Adys | "At least we got the menus right!" |
| 04:07.47 | Adys | twats, they didnt even get the keybinds right. |
| 04:11.29 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: same reason that in OSX preferences is under Firefox and not under Tools |
| 04:12.07 | Arrowmaster | wonder if theres a hidden option somewhere to change that |
| 04:12.15 | Arrowmaster | i want the windows menus |
| 04:12.59 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: That shit drives me batshit too. At first, I thought it was the distro mucking about with it until I downloaded an official build and the madness was still there. |
| 04:14.49 | NightHawkTheSane | "Rules of combat.. older than contact with other races. Not mention aliens. Rules change... caught up in committee, not come through yet." |
| 04:16.06 | Arrowmaster | fuck i know that line but what the fuck is it from |
| 04:16.54 | NightHawkTheSane | b5 ;) |
| 04:17.00 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: B5? |
| 04:17.32 | Arrowmaster | no wonder it seemed like i had heard it recently, i rewatched all 5 seasons of B5 not long ago |
| 04:17.42 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, im doing that right now. >.> |
| 04:18.03 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah it was the drazzi green vs purple thing |
| 04:18.24 | NightHawkTheSane | yep. 2x03, geometry of shadows |
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| 04:30.06 | Kraps | pretty good :) |
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| 04:32.51 | wobin | Disney buys Marvel? |
| 04:32.54 | wobin | wow |
| 04:33.09 | wobin | 4bn$ |
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| 04:42.46 | tem | welcome to 15 hours ago, wobin |
| 04:44.03 | Kraps | i cant decide which toon to level |
| 04:44.21 | Jerub | Kraps: Level Mickey, or maybe The Green Lantern. |
| 04:44.40 | Kraps | oy |
| 04:47.00 | wobin | tem: 15hours ago I was asleep |
| 04:47.25 | Kraps | i have a 75 priest but i think id rather have a druid healer |
| 04:47.33 | Kraps | druid is 49 |
| 04:47.35 | wobin | level a shammy healer |
| 04:47.50 | Jerub | what spec is the druid at the moment? |
| 04:47.53 | Kraps | have a 33 shammy |
| 04:48.05 | wobin | level the shammy enh or ele |
| 04:48.09 | Kraps | Jerub: feral for leveling |
| 04:48.28 | Jerub | hm, is 49 high enough to do BRD? |
| 04:48.39 | wobin | with help |
| 04:48.39 | Jerub | http://twitpic.com/fjecb |
| 04:48.54 | Kraps | i hate brd |
| 04:49.34 | Jerub | then level the shammy :D |
| 04:49.34 | wobin | 49 is more ZF or ST |
| 04:51.23 | Jerub | Kraps: fwiw, I <3 tree druid for healing, but I haven't managed to get him into healing raids yet. |
| 04:57.33 | Thunder_Child | i am so tired of people having guns and not using them |
| 04:57.48 | Jerub | Thunder_Child: i agree. more people should blow their own heads off. |
| 04:57.52 | NightHawkTheSane | shoots Thunder_Child |
| 04:59.31 | Dagmar | You're not hanging around with enough dwarves then |
| 04:59.56 | NightHawkTheSane | or enough rednecks |
| 05:06.52 | Thunder_Child | true, i hsould go visit lunessa |
| 05:06.58 | Thunder_Child | should* |
| 05:09.22 | Adys | ~wowiquotes |
| 05:09.23 | purl | http://www.teomyr.eu/wowuidev/irc-quotes |
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| 05:13.47 | industrial | lol found a hunter named coolhwip |
| 05:13.59 | Torhal | ... |
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| 05:17.33 | Jerub | quietly steals .dlls off the internets. |
| 05:17.41 | Jerub | wait, that wasn't quiet |
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| 05:33.52 | tem | lol "oops" |
| 05:34.00 | tem | these mobs say "By Thorim's Beard!" |
| 05:34.05 | tem | Thorim does not have a beard. |
| 05:34.35 | industrial | heh |
| 05:35.00 | Dagmar | His wife made him shave so the mobs would stop swearing so much |
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| 05:45.48 | Jerub | industrial: coolwhip or coolhwip ? |
| 05:51.42 | Kraps | http://cdn3.knowyourmeme.com/i/13660/small/port.jpg?1251751501 |
| 05:51.48 | industrial | hwip |
| 05:52.01 | Kraps | http://knowyourmeme.com/i/13660/original/port.jpg?1251751501 |
| 05:53.16 | Cairenn | rofl, coolhwip |
| 05:53.48 | Cairenn | you've got an extra hatche |
| 05:53.54 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 05:59.31 | industrial | Jerub, Cairenn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lich59xsjik&fmt=18 |
| 05:59.47 | Cairenn | I know, that's what I was referring to |
| 05:59.58 | Cairenn | one of them says "you've got an extra hatche" |
| 06:01.04 | Dolby | you cant have a pie with out cool whhip |
| 06:01.13 | Cairenn | hwhip |
| 06:01.19 | Cairenn | :p |
| 06:01.26 | tem | oh how you're just saying it hweird |
| 06:01.31 | tem | s/how/now/ |
| 06:01.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Cairenn apparently likes hwips |
| 06:01.46 | Cairenn | purrs |
| 06:01.53 | Jerub | lol |
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| 06:04.22 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Cide] by ChanServ |
| 06:04.38 | Thunder_Child | hey Cairenn, did you ever get those boots? |
| 06:04.43 | Cairenn | :( |
| 06:04.44 | Cairenn | no |
| 06:05.40 | industrial | where do I buy epic gems with honor? |
| 06:05.47 | industrial | if thats possible |
| 06:05.56 | Thunder_Child | there is no honor in buying gems |
| 06:08.50 | pompy | industrial: in the pvp vendor buildings in org or sw, depending on what faction ya are |
| 06:11.18 | batrick | o wow |
| 06:11.23 | batrick | quote #54 ROCKS |
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| 06:25.50 | Dagmar | Hmm... |
| 06:25.59 | Dagmar | I had no idea there was a loot card that does http://wowpapercraft.blogspot.com/ |
| 06:26.51 | Dagmar | Argh. It uses charges. |
| 06:29.12 | Dagmar | Oo! Maybe not |
| 06:32.07 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/2134/moonwalk.jpg |
| 06:41.01 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Whoever made http://fukung.net/v/2137/nopony.jpg probably enjoys those new banking commercials as much as I do |
| 06:41.28 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, i dont watch tv so i have no idea |
| 06:42.18 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: First two hits at http://www.google.com/search?&q=ally+bank+commercial |
| 06:42.29 | Dagmar | Those kids are not actors. |
| 06:43.06 | Dagmar | They thought they were there for market research. |
| 06:43.20 | Dagmar | The looks of betrayal are delicious |
| 06:44.27 | Adys | These "Describe your sex life with a wow term" posts are always awesome |
| 06:44.32 | Adys | 'Alone in the Darkness' |
| 06:44.58 | Dagmar | I dunno if that's an upgrade from a*al spam |
| 06:45.13 | theorbtwo | Aimed Shot? |
| 06:45.43 | Adys | anal spam is in trade chat, its annoying, its annoying because its in trade chat, and you cant ignore it |
| 06:45.50 | Adys | and its annoying because you cant ignore it |
| 06:45.56 | Dagmar | Oh yes you can |
| 06:45.58 | Adys | and you cant ignore it because its in FUCKING TRADE CHAT. |
| 06:46.06 | Adys | a thread is on a forum |
| 06:46.08 | theorbtwo | You can't ignore trade chat? |
| 06:46.15 | Dagmar | I just get to right-clicking when they start and it quiets down quickly. |
| 06:46.19 | Adys | I cant, i actually use trade chat |
| 06:47.18 | theorbtwo | Adys: So you could, you'd just be less efficent for a bit. |
| 06:47.44 | Adys | The difference is, I can actually avoid clicking on a thread i dont like |
| 06:47.45 | Adys | see? |
| 06:47.47 | Adys | so much easier |
| 06:47.54 | Aqua | ~wowalert |
| 06:47.55 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 06:48.01 | Dagmar | I should probably go find something that just expands the client's ignore list size tho |
| 06:48.03 | theorbtwo | Oh, sure. I don't read the forums at all. |
| 06:48.32 | theorbtwo | doesn't use the ignore list much -- if people are spamming, I hit the "report spam" button, and they usually stop. |
| 06:48.46 | Thunder_Child | left horn http://fukung.net/v/6030/58265727.jpg |
| 06:48.55 | haste | loading! |
| 06:49.07 | Adys | "GOD DAMNIT WHY DO ALL MY THREADS ABOUT SRS BSRNZ GET ROLLED?" |
| 06:49.12 | Adys | the guy is called Capt_jesus |
| 06:49.24 | theorbtwo | I also don't spend all that much time in town. I mail shit to my auction char, but only log in as him when I feel like I need some money. |
| 06:49.35 | Aqua | wow my server is gonna be down for 12 hours |
| 06:49.57 | Adys | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=102577.0 |
| 06:51.13 | Thunder_Child | http://fukung.net/v/13989/2f26f98355a1f7b18f4ea842d5d2ac84.jpg |
| 06:52.13 | Shirik | I have determined |
| 06:52.30 | Shirik | attempting to play the halo 3 campaign without having ever finished halo 2 |
| 06:52.34 | Shirik | makes you very confused |
| 06:53.09 | Dagmar | That just means you need to shoot more people. |
| 06:55.31 | *** join/#wowuidev robotusch (n=robotusc@50A2D989.flatrate.dk) |
| 06:55.32 | theorbtwo | ...or read a summary of the halo 2 plot. |
| 06:55.53 | Shirik | but that's not the same |
| 06:56.00 | Shirik | it's like rewading IMDB instead of watching the movie |
| 06:56.03 | Shirik | reading* |
| 06:56.31 | theorbtwo | Of course. |
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| 06:56.35 | Dagmar | If everyone else is dead, who's to say your interpretation of what's going on isn't correct... |
| 06:56.49 | theorbtwo | If you want to play halo 2, by all means do so. |
| 06:56.57 | theorbtwo | If you just want halo 3 to make sense, OTOH... |
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| 06:57.13 | End | that was fun |
| 06:57.14 | End | I thought I broke my server |
| 06:57.18 | Dagmar | Dump it and play Wolfenstein instead |
| 06:57.21 | End | turns out it was just cleaning up old files |
| 06:57.22 | Shirik | I don't want to PLAY halo 2 |
| 06:57.24 | End | :( |
| 06:57.25 | Shirik | that would take too long |
| 06:57.31 | Shirik | however, I do want to see the cinematics |
| 06:57.32 | Dagmar | Killing Nazis *always* makes sense |
| 06:57.59 | the-golem | ./agree |
| 06:58.07 | Shirik | nah |
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| 06:58.24 | Shirik | after Halo 3 comes Star Ocean |
| 06:58.28 | End | oops |
| 06:58.30 | End | wrong command |
| 07:10.48 | Torhal | Shirik: http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Halo_2_Cinematic_Cutscenes |
| 07:11.52 | Shirik | ... <3 |
| 07:11.58 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if i still have my save right before the final cutscene in halo1, on legendary |
| 07:14.25 | Shirik | oh Bungie split from Microsoft |
| 07:14.27 | Shirik | I didn't know that |
| 07:14.52 | Shirik | I was going to say, I wish all products of Microsoft's were like Halo |
| 07:14.55 | Shirik | so much for that |
| 07:15.23 | Arrowmaster | what day did halo3 come out? |
| 07:15.33 | Arrowmaster | 9/25/2007? |
| 07:15.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: you know they werent originally MS, right? |
| 07:15.46 | Shirik | yewah |
| 07:16.02 | Shirik | but they got bought out |
| 07:16.10 | Shirik | and then ... un..bought |
| 07:16.17 | NightHawkTheSane | even if they hadn't bought them selves back, it'd be incorrect to say it's a true MS product :P |
| 07:16.18 | Shirik | you know that kinda sucks tbh |
| 07:18.21 | NightHawkTheSane | why? |
| 07:19.23 | Shirik | imagine |
| 07:19.27 | Shirik | you buy a company |
| 07:19.37 | Shirik | and then they're like "uh.... noty" |
| 07:20.16 | Arrowmaster | http://live.xbox.com/en-US/profile/Achievements/ViewAchievementDetails.aspx?tid=%09]%3a%15%18*iAr%07&compareTo=Arrowmaster |
| 07:20.29 | Arrowmaster | Campaign Complete: Legendary |
| 07:20.30 | Arrowmaster | Completed the Campaign on Legendary difficulty. |
| 07:20.30 | Arrowmaster | 125 |
| 07:20.30 | Arrowmaster | Acquired 9/26/2007 |
| 07:20.49 | Arrowmaster | what the hell that didnt have newlines in it in my editbox |
| 07:21.13 | Arrowmaster | and yeah i didnt sleep that night |
| 07:21.27 | Shirik | you did it in one night? |
| 07:21.39 | Arrowmaster | the game was released on the 25th |
| 07:21.46 | Shirik | wtf is wrong with you |
| 07:21.51 | Arrowmaster | haha |
| 07:21.57 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: *shrug* I'm sure if MS -really- didn't want to let Bungie go, they wouldn't have. |
| 07:22.11 | Shirik | well yeah |
| 07:22.51 | Arrowmaster | did you just get a 360 Shirik? |
| 07:22.58 | Shirik | I'm cheap! |
| 07:23.08 | Shirik | Microsoft did another price cut so I finally broke down and got it |
| 07:23.08 | Arrowmaster | what did you get? |
| 07:23.17 | Shirik | elite |
| 07:23.20 | Arrowmaster | good |
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| 07:23.40 | Shirik | $299 is a good deal |
| 07:23.54 | NightHawkTheSane | i might pick one up as soon as i have money |
| 07:23.54 | Arrowmaster | i might get the new 250gb model if its really coming out |
| 07:24.04 | Shirik | see I don't get it |
| 07:24.09 | Arrowmaster | i have a release day one, the harddrive is so small |
| 07:24.11 | Shirik | why do you need that kind of space |
| 07:24.25 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: If you do pick one up, be absolutely certain to check the manufacture date |
| 07:24.47 | Shirik | I made sure I did, and sure enough, at the store, still half of them were from mid 2008 |
| 07:24.50 | Arrowmaster | yes get ones with a 12.1amp powersupply |
| 07:25.10 | Shirik | the one I picked up was made 4 weeks ago :D |
| 07:25.26 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i'm aware of the issues |
| 07:25.28 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: what came in the box? |
| 07:25.39 | Shirik | umm |
| 07:25.49 | Shirik | I'm not sure what you're asking :/ |
| 07:26.00 | Arrowmaster | i heard the new boxes for the elite dont even come with a component video cable, just a composite cable |
| 07:26.10 | Shirik | correct |
| 07:26.20 | Arrowmaster | elite used to come with an hdmi cable and a component video cable |
| 07:26.21 | Shirik | so I picked up an HDMI cable, no big deal |
| 07:26.39 | NightHawkTheSane | wow, thats lame |
| 07:26.44 | Shirik | yeah |
| 07:26.51 | Arrowmaster | im using a vga cable |
| 07:26.52 | Shirik | but they have to remake the money somewhere |
| 07:27.02 | NightHawkTheSane | ... cables are cheap. thats no excuse |
| 07:27.08 | Shirik | the easiest way to do it is to take out some $2 accessory and sell it for $50 |
| 07:27.30 | Shirik | it's not about regaining revenue, it's about regaining margin |
| 07:27.40 | Arrowmaster | if i got a new 360 (mine doesnt have hdmi) and a new lcd screen that had hdcp i dont know if i would use the hdmi |
| 07:28.06 | Shirik | I'm really surprised my little 24" TV has an HDMI port on it |
| 07:28.11 | Shirik | but I'm happy it does :) |
| 07:28.23 | Arrowmaster | 24" hdtv? |
| 07:28.34 | Arrowmaster | does it do 1080p? |
| 07:28.36 | Shirik | funny, isn't it? |
| 07:28.37 | Shirik | no |
| 07:28.40 | Arrowmaster | pff |
| 07:28.43 | Shirik | 1080i/720p |
| 07:28.45 | Shirik | dude |
| 07:28.51 | Shirik | you wouldn't even be able to see the difference |
| 07:28.59 | nevcairiel | not on that small screen :P |
| 07:29.01 | Arrowmaster | hdmi can do 1080p so it should if it has hdmi |
| 07:29.11 | ScytheBlade1 | DVI can do 1080p |
| 07:29.16 | Shirik | so what |
| 07:29.22 | Arrowmaster | component cant handle 1080p so its limited to 1080i |
| 07:29.35 | Shirik | oh I see what you're saying |
| 07:29.37 | Arrowmaster | 1080i and 720p use the same amount of bandwidth |
| 07:29.39 | Shirik | oh well, this TV was cheap :P |
| 07:30.09 | Arrowmaster | what games did you get? |
| 07:30.20 | Dolby | yeah 24" would be difficult to tell the difference between 720p/1080p |
| 07:30.36 | Shirik | halo and star ocean |
| 07:31.26 | Arrowmaster | when you convert your profile to a live account tell me your gamertag |
| 07:31.44 | Shirik | I already have a live account |
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| 07:31.55 | Shirik | did you miss the discussion about identity theft? |
| 07:32.00 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 07:32.08 | Arrowmaster | are you using your brothers gamertag? |
| 07:32.11 | Shirik | lol no |
| 07:32.21 | Shirik | he probably has pissed off a ton of people |
| 07:32.23 | Arrowmaster | then did you put the gamertag on a different live account? |
| 07:32.40 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:32.41 | Arrowmaster | or did you manage to move it off your live account |
| 07:33.20 | Arrowmaster | i found out you can merge live accounts now, so i put mine on a new one instead of the old hotmail account i have that doesnt even work anymore |
| 07:33.28 | Shirik | Foxswift is the gamertag |
| 07:33.42 | Arrowmaster | Shirik taken? |
| 07:33.43 | End | hm |
| 07:34.01 | End | I have so many mounts, that StableBoy's LDB plugin is no longer useful to me |
| 07:34.11 | Shirik | I didn't bother to look for Shirik; I tend to keep my RPG and FPS nicks separate |
| 07:34.18 | End | it tries to keep itself from going off screen, so it goes off screen even more |
| 07:34.30 | NightHawkTheSane | End: yeah, i didn't put a whole lot of effort into that >.> |
| 07:34.50 | NightHawkTheSane | i never actually use it myself :( |
| 07:35.20 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: friend request sent, but i had to do it via xbox.com since my friend has my 360 |
| 07:35.35 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, are you saying that you RP in here? |
| 07:35.37 | End | well, I can only see one mount with it now :( |
| 07:35.47 | Shirik | no, but my name here is identical to my one in WoW |
| 07:35.54 | Shirik | well, was |
| 07:35.55 | End | I guess its big enough where there's no way for it to fit on the screen |
| 07:36.09 | NightHawkTheSane | how many mounts do you have? |
| 07:36.18 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: wtf elf ears? fag |
| 07:36.23 | Shirik | hahaha |
| 07:36.25 | Shirik | yo ucan see that? |
| 07:36.33 | Shirik | I started off normal and then got bored |
| 07:36.34 | Arrowmaster | http://live.xbox.com/en-US/profile/profile.aspx?pp=0&GamerTag=Foxswift |
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| 07:36.43 | Shirik | I was going to make a vulcan |
| 07:36.47 | Shirik | then I was like "screw this" |
| 07:36.55 | End | umm |
| 07:36.57 | End | over 100 |
| 07:37.03 | End | 104 I think? |
| 07:37.09 | NightHawkTheSane | ... i hate you :P |
| 07:37.14 | End | ^_^ |
| 07:37.41 | Shirik | look at my extremely high number of achievement points Arrowmaster! |
| 07:38.09 | Arrowmaster | you cant match my 17,690 |
| 07:38.32 | NightHawkTheSane | End: i'll uh, try and see if i can maybe fix that. I've been meaning to fix up a few things anyway. I'm not making any guarantees though ;) |
| 07:38.40 | End | ok :) |
| 07:38.58 | End | I kinda figured it would happen eventually :P |
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| 07:39.23 | Archegos | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSA3Hu8FAuA |
| 07:39.38 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i had an inkling it'd bork up at some absurd number of mounts, but when i wrote it, it really -was- an absurd number ;) |
| 07:39.39 | Archegos | for those of you interested in my workings that most of you have helped me work through ;) |
| 07:40.03 | Shirik | is it just me or is this site really slow, Arrowmaster? |
| 07:40.14 | Arrowmaster | xbox.com? |
| 07:40.19 | Shirik | yes |
| 07:40.20 | Arrowmaster | do you have javascript enabled? |
| 07:40.26 | Shirik | I guess |
| 07:40.48 | Shirik | is that one of those wallet chains on your avatar? |
| 07:41.04 | Arrowmaster | no, goth pants |
| 07:41.13 | Thunder_Child | aww..i was going to send you an interesting msg but you have to be a gold member to sned one |
| 07:41.24 | Arrowmaster | you do? |
| 07:41.30 | Arrowmaster | lol antispam? |
| 07:41.37 | Thunder_Child | send* |
| 07:41.40 | Thunder_Child | no idea |
| 07:42.01 | Shirik | Arrowmaster, how was fable? |
| 07:42.03 | Shirik | I almost got it |
| 07:42.21 | Arrowmaster | ok |
| 07:42.27 | bleeter | Adys: hah, ptr login's down anyways |
| 07:42.53 | Shirik | "Last seen 1 minute ago playing Xbox.com" |
| 07:42.59 | Shirik | ... "playing xbox.com"? |
| 07:43.42 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: ive got some 100 hours on Too Human and Burnout Paradise though, i think those are probably the ones ive played the most |
| 07:44.00 | Shirik | never heard of em |
| 07:44.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Burnout is awesome |
| 07:44.17 | Shirik | however, I've been told there's at least 60 hours of gameplay in star ocean |
| 07:44.31 | Arrowmaster | ive got the toy cars in burnout, they are fucking awesome |
| 07:45.02 | Arrowmaster | i fucking won an online 8 player race using the toy wtr while everybody else was using real cars |
| 07:45.19 | Shirik | this is some racing game? |
| 07:45.22 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 07:45.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I hate racing games |
| 07:45.31 | Shirik | what's so great about it? |
| 07:45.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Hate hate hate hate them |
| 07:45.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Burnout though? |
| 07:45.37 | Shirik | You just said it was awesome |
| 07:45.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Burnout is amazing |
| 07:45.43 | Shirik | why |
| 07:45.52 | Arrowmaster | its not really a racing game but more a crashing game |
| 07:45.56 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 07:46.01 | Shirik | eh |
| 07:46.05 | Archegos | Showtime! |
| 07:46.05 | NightHawkTheSane | so more carmageddon less need for speed? |
| 07:46.11 | Shirik | is it SUPPOSED to be a crashing game? |
| 07:46.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Well it is both |
| 07:46.19 | Archegos | A BUS... A BUSSS!!! |
| 07:46.20 | ScytheBlade1 | No, you have a track, other cars, a time to beat |
| 07:46.33 | ScytheBlade1 | It also has modes where you take a bus off a ramp and fly it into an intersection |
| 07:46.36 | Shirik | so people just think it's more fun that way |
| 07:46.38 | Arrowmaster | fuck buses |
| 07:46.41 | ScytheBlade1 | And see how many cars you can detonate |
| 07:46.50 | Shirik | I used to play need for speed going the opposite direction |
| 07:47.01 | Shirik | oh, my favortite thing to do in this NASCAR game I had for my computer |
| 07:47.05 | ScytheBlade1 | NFS is a terrible game |
| 07:47.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Burnout is an amazing game |
| 07:47.11 | Shirik | turn player dmage to 0% |
| 07:47.11 | Archegos | no racing game can compare to my alltime fav... WipEout |
| 07:47.15 | Shirik | go in the other direction |
| 07:47.19 | Shirik | slam into cars until they're all DQ'ed |
| 07:47.23 | Shirik | then finish the race |
| 07:47.39 | Arrowmaster | http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/29-Burnout-Paradise |
| 07:47.42 | Corvein | twisted metal |
| 07:47.43 | ReAn | wow |
| 07:47.44 | Arrowmaster | that is all you need |
| 07:47.56 | Archegos | Burnout Paradise was the shizznit |
| 07:48.24 | bleeter | Adys: btw, thx for capt_jesus, gold |
| 07:48.28 | Archegos | did anyone check out that youtube link i sent? |
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| 07:48.49 | Archegos | a couple of you helped me make that :) |
| 07:48.56 | Shirik | ok night |
| 07:49.00 | ReAn | http://s2.photobucket.com/albums/y11/rean1985/?action=view¤t=myrig2005-big.jpg <--- i started wow on this setup :o |
| 07:49.07 | NightHawkTheSane | yarr. |
| 07:49.09 | ReAn | old ass computer |
| 07:49.10 | NightHawkTheSane | sleeps |
| 07:49.40 | Archegos | 40GB ftw! |
| 07:49.46 | _rane | love that mouse pad |
| 07:50.01 | _rane | must be pretty ergonomic |
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| 07:53.33 | Archegos | http://www.flickr.com/photos/pentagear/3877586286/ |
| 07:53.39 | Archegos | mah setup |
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| 08:35.22 | Adys | anyone knows which music runs on http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/cataclysm/media/ during the goblin announcement? |
| 08:36.12 | _rane | bet it's lady gaga |
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| 09:03.21 | bleeter | heh ebay's selling skype |
| 09:04.08 | bleeter | oO to Andreessen? |
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| 09:23.31 | Arrowmaster | http://lrexlib.luaforge.net/ |
| 09:24.08 | Arrowmaster | ok i know somebody was asking about regexp library for lua not long ago, i notice that when it poped up in the list of new packages in aptitude |
| 09:31.14 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/dirty_mind_bag.jpg |
| 09:31.33 | Kalroth | :D |
| 09:32.33 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/litter_hurts_big_turtle.jpg <- ... |
| 09:33.04 | Kalroth | wtf |
| 09:33.22 | Arrowmaster | it got stuck in something when it was little |
| 09:34.23 | the-golem | ouch |
| 09:34.31 | the-golem | poor turtle |
| 09:34.37 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/captured2.png :DDD |
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| 09:41.41 | mikma | ~wowalert |
| 09:41.41 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 10:20.16 | Wobin | http://www.wowmeteronline.com/combat/7227073#healingout |
| 10:20.18 | Wobin | \o/ |
| 10:20.26 | Wobin | Gogo shammyhealz |
| 10:21.09 | Wobin | even though the druid has 700 more hps =\ |
| 10:21.42 | Wobin | just likes the fact that a good percentage of shaman heals are intelligent autoheals =) |
| 10:22.01 | Wobin | smart heals on chain, on crits, on earthliving... |
| 10:23.55 | Wobin | ~wowalert |
| 10:23.55 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 10:37.48 | Arrowmaster | wonder if ill be getting a call trying to get me to upgrade to roadrunner turbo today |
| 10:38.22 | Arrowmaster | i hit 140gb down 167gb total last month |
| 10:39.47 | Arrowmaster | 40gb in a single day was also perty good |
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| 11:18.52 | Wobin | http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisvanwyksadventures/1490134039/in/set-72157602277823819/ |
| 11:18.59 | Wobin | -awesome- shot of a turtle =) |
| 11:19.05 | Wobin | (more in the set) |
| 11:20.20 | Kalroth | a muppet show turtle |
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| 11:46.08 | Fisker | Wobin |
| 11:46.10 | Fisker | what else do i need? |
| 11:47.15 | Arrowmaster | rename 's/\.log$/\.20090801\.log/;' **/[^.]##.log |
| 11:47.23 | Arrowmaster | <3 zsh extended globs |
| 11:47.59 | Arrowmaster | dont know how i would have pulled that off without them |
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| 11:55.17 | Wobin | Fisker: Ice cream? |
| 11:56.17 | Fisker | well i was thinking about getting another 6GB ram |
| 11:56.35 | Fisker | but now that you mention it ice cream is probably a better idea |
| 11:58.21 | zenzelezz | depends if you want to eat it |
| 11:58.38 | zenzelezz | ice cream doesn't work well in your computer, but RAM can be difficult to swallow |
| 12:02.38 | Fisker | maybe it helps transfer heat just like butter |
| 12:04.14 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3Z6qRl-E0U&feature=player_embedded |
| 12:04.29 | Wobin | got an extra 4gig of ram for his |
| 12:04.32 | Wobin | it's great! |
| 12:06.28 | _rane | is it possible to get item data as xml from armory? let's say http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=44662 |
| 12:06.50 | nevcairiel | sure, you just need to fake a firefox user agent |
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| 12:07.11 | _rane | yeah I know that |
| 12:07.30 | _rane | I have written the greatest armory ircbot after all! |
| 12:07.37 | _rane | anyway |
| 12:08.00 | _rane | the link I pasted doesn't have the item details |
| 12:08.23 | _rane | how does it fetch them? |
| 12:09.02 | nevcairiel | http://www.wowarmory.com/item-tooltip.xml?i=44662 |
| 12:09.06 | nevcairiel | l2read-xslt :P |
| 12:09.34 | Elkano | reminds me of my phpbb class I wrote to get items into our guild forums ^^ |
| 12:12.44 | Wobin | hm |
| 12:12.56 | Wobin | I was going to write an addon like pallypower, but for shaman totems |
| 12:13.04 | Wobin | but someone already has used the name "ShamWoW" |
| 12:13.29 | olafski | such an addon doesn't exist yet? |
| 12:13.38 | Wobin | It could very well |
| 12:13.45 | Wobin | I've not looked too closely |
| 12:13.52 | Wobin | but the totem bars only came out this patch |
| 12:15.42 | olafski | yer.. can't wait to hit lvl 30 so I can use that "4 totems at once" thing :) |
| 12:16.58 | Wobin | It's -awesome- |
| 12:17.08 | Wobin | I build little totem forts with the other shammies in the raid |
| 12:17.44 | olafski | :DD |
| 12:19.46 | Wobin | hm, http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/raidtotems.aspx |
| 12:21.25 | Wobin | wait what... why is he using a custom channel? |
| 12:22.23 | Wobin | ...can't he use the RAID channel? |
| 12:22.28 | Wobin | or the PARTY one even? |
| 12:22.35 | olafski | I've been so out of wow addon development.. since when can addons just use an addon communication channel? back when I last looked at it they had to just pick a regular channel |
| 12:22.38 | Wobin | ok, time to write the addon =P |
| 12:22.45 | Wobin | 1.12 =) |
| 12:22.50 | olafski | there's a raid addon channel? |
| 12:22.53 | olafski | or just raidchat |
| 12:23.08 | Wobin | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_1.12 |
| 12:23.16 | Wobin | about 2/3rds down |
| 12:23.17 | olafski | cheers :) |
| 12:23.27 | Wobin | Add-ons can send hidden chat messages to players in the party, raid or guild, using SendAddonMessage("prefix", "message", "PARTY"|"RAID"|"GUILD"|"BATTLEGROUND"). |
| 12:23.45 | olafski | ah yes I remember I quit just before this cross realm battlegrounds thing was implemented |
| 12:23.59 | Wobin | You use a custom channel if your addon needs a wider distribution |
| 12:24.12 | olafski | like WinterTime used to do |
| 12:24.20 | Wobin | yeah =) |
| 12:24.26 | olafski | I remember we had to choose a channel for DamageMeters |
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| 12:24.40 | Elkano | though hidden channels count against the 10 channel limit |
| 12:24.52 | Wobin | unfortunately |
| 12:25.04 | Wobin | guild2guild needs to use a custom channel |
| 12:25.12 | Wobin | due to it's actual usage =) |
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| 12:27.40 | Wobin | So... this totem addon |
| 12:27.51 | Wobin | Since someone has already used ShamWow, I need a name for it |
| 12:27.55 | Wobin | TotemFort? |
| 12:28.17 | Wobin | TotemRecall |
| 12:29.09 | zenzelezz | I realize it might help guys find girls if they make themselves presentable, but this sounds like going a bit too far... http://engrishfunny.com/2009/08/29/engrish-ball-blusher/ |
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| 12:30.06 | Wobin | zenzelezz: wow, I thought cheezburger comments were bad... then I started reading these ones =P |
| 12:33.59 | Cruciformer | 'lo all |
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| 12:39.22 | Elkano | talking about cheezburgerz and stuff, Whack-A-Cat anyone? http://www.abload.de/img/1251798752228co0u.gif |
| 12:41.04 | Cruciformer | does anyone have any insight into how curse search works (or more specifically, does not)? |
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| 12:42.01 | zenzelezz | tickles Lopeppeppy |
| 12:42.15 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzelezz |
| 12:42.43 | Cruciformer | mornin Lopeppeppy |
| 12:42.51 | Lopeppeppy | Heya Cruciformer |
| 12:43.31 | pb_ee1 | Elkano: so cute. |
| 12:43.52 | klip | hi all. I've got an idea and I have a question tho. Is there any way of getting a realtime data from WoW which is not against EULA? |
| 12:44.18 | Cruciformer | klip: Easily. monitor combat_log_untilered in a legal addon. |
| 12:44.24 | Cruciformer | *unfiltered |
| 12:44.33 | klip | as far as I know, addon data is saved to drives only when logout or reloadui |
| 12:44.50 | klip | well, I need to get a custom data |
| 12:44.53 | klip | not just combat log |
| 12:44.59 | Cruciformer | you didnt say you wanted the data outside of wow, so what does it matter if the data is only saved then? |
| 12:45.08 | klip | like loot, epgp changes |
| 12:45.10 | Cruciformer | what "custom data" |
| 12:45.32 | Cruciformer | all of which can be dealt with in a legal addon. Monitoring events externmally wont help with that. |
| 12:45.52 | Cruciformer | esp since epgp is done by an addon not by the game. |
| 12:46.27 | Wobin | Elkano: I can't stop watching that gif |
| 12:46.31 | Wobin | even knowing it's just a gif |
| 12:47.07 | Elkano | mission accomplished then ^^ |
| 12:47.22 | klip | so there is no legal way to get any game data (like loot, epgp/dkp changes, etc.) outside of wow client in real time |
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| 12:47.34 | zenzelezz | nope |
| 12:47.55 | Wobin | klip: See WowTwitter |
| 12:47.59 | Cruciformer | klip: theres no way to get dkp/epgp changes period, since its not part of the wow protocol |
| 12:48.00 | Wobin | or whatever it was called |
| 12:49.25 | Lopeppeppy | Wobin, that's a kluge. And it's not exactly 'real time' |
| 12:49.26 | Elkano | well, you can have someone reloadui after every kill ;) |
| 12:49.48 | klip | I got an idea to make an addon displaying a code in colors and an external application reading the code from screen |
| 12:49.49 | Grum | klip: you cannot get instant data its as simple as that |
| 12:50.01 | klip | but I dunno if it is not against EULA |
| 12:50.04 | Grum | klip: yeah that is what some bots use |
| 12:50.18 | Grum | depends what you are doing i guess ;) |
| 12:50.23 | klip | well, If I am going to go against EULA, I can read it from memory |
| 12:50.23 | Wobin | Lopeppeppy: yeah, which is why I was disappointed |
| 12:50.48 | Cruciformer | klip: And discussing breaking the eula is heavily frowned upon here. |
| 12:50.53 | Elkano | you could also just ask Blizzard to close your account then ;) |
| 12:50.53 | Lopeppeppy | If you're going to do that, klip, we don't want to hear about it anymore. |
| 12:51.07 | zenzelezz | Cruciformer: yes, but reading the computer's frame buffer isn't the same as reading WoW's memory |
| 12:51.08 | klip | I didnt say I am going to do it :) |
| 12:51.09 | Wobin | klip: if you're trying to transmit epgp/dkp data, you might as well stick to reloadui =P |
| 12:51.12 | zenzelezz | it's what Fraps does, etc |
| 12:51.28 | Wobin | it'll get the job done, and won't shut down your account |
| 12:51.30 | klip | I want to be legal :) |
| 12:51.48 | Grum | klip: is this an addon you want to make public? or jsut for yourself? |
| 12:51.50 | zenzelezz | klip: are you going to be updating the data often, or just once now and then? |
| 12:51.56 | Cruciformer | zenzelezz: I am pretty sure the eula has clauses that would cover that, in terms of gathering game data for the purposes of manipulating the game etc. |
| 12:52.05 | Grum | because no-one in their sane mind will ever use it and i think no sane addon site will ever host it |
| 12:52.11 | Cruciformer | I dont think they limit it to core memory uses by wow.exe. Could be wwrong tho. |
| 12:52.16 | zenzelezz | Cruciformer: it doesn't sound like he's manipulating the game, he's just getting information |
| 12:52.34 | Wobin | klip: Why don't you just tell us what you're trying to do =) |
| 12:52.41 | Wobin | Then all the arguments can commence =) |
| 12:53.10 | klip | I want to have loot and epgp information synchronized to a guild web site |
| 12:53.14 | klip | in a real time :) |
| 12:53.29 | Grum | ok, now the why |
| 12:53.36 | Cruciformer | yeah ... why? |
| 12:53.37 | Grum | why care for realtime |
| 12:53.38 | Wobin | The closest you'll get to realtime is if the person transmitting the info uses /reloadui |
| 12:53.46 | klip | there is epgp addon saving it in officers notes, but we are raiding with meny extarnal people |
| 12:53.57 | Grum | raiding with external people? |
| 12:54.05 | klip | problem is also log and history synchronizing |
| 12:54.05 | Cruciformer | then get an epgp mod that doesnt use officer notes |
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| 12:54.14 | klip | external to our guild |
| 12:54.16 | Wobin | also, the person transmitting the data will need to have a script running in the background to pick up changes to the savevariable file |
| 12:54.18 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah? What we did was have a spreadsheet at the beginning of the raid, taht was updated in real time, then the website was updated at the end. |
| 12:54.30 | Grum | just transmit data over the RAID channel? |
| 12:54.35 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 12:54.42 | Grum | you have an addon message raid-channel |
| 12:54.49 | Grum | just setup a query interface on that |
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| 12:55.09 | Grum | every person using dkp does that |
| 12:55.18 | Grum | 1 person updates their list, other people query that list |
| 12:55.30 | Cruciformer | you are solving the problem the wrong way. the mod you are using has a weakness in its design, and you are solving it by trying to introduce another weak design. fix the mod. |
| 12:55.31 | Grum | if its either by message or by the addon channel no-one really cares :) |
| 12:56.44 | Cruciformer | or wait for my epgp mod that doesnt use officer notes and happily uses the raid channel, and allows you to exprt the current state via handy cut-n-paste box you can then quickly put into a website after looting. |
| 12:57.20 | klip | what about synchonization with ppl, who were offline half of the raid, or some raids, how would you synchronize their history? |
| 12:57.34 | Cruciformer | that is very easily solved, and has been, by many mods. |
| 12:58.20 | Cruciformer | I know becuase my suicide kings mod does it just fine, so does SKG, the original suicide kings mod, and othe dkp/epgp mods. |
| 12:58.32 | klip | hm, ok |
| 12:58.36 | Grum | most mods have a whisper interface |
| 12:59.04 | Grum | where you for example do: #dkp <name> <name> <name> and get back the list of the dkp for those persons |
| 13:00.21 | Cruciformer | syncronisation is usually a tricky business but the problem has been solved by many mods in many different ways. |
| 13:00.32 | Grum | or just dont care for syncing |
| 13:00.40 | Grum | have 1 person doing the changes live ingame |
| 13:00.42 | Cruciformer | IMHO any mod that uses officer notes, guild info pages, guild motd or any such thing to store data is flawed. |
| 13:00.50 | Grum | and just flush the log into an external system later |
| 13:02.19 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: why? |
| 13:02.32 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: if those data locations aren't being used otherwise, its a fantastic solution |
| 13:02.32 | Cruciformer | thats not what those fields are meant fo. |
| 13:02.36 | jnwhiteh | and you can pack quite a bit of data in there |
| 13:02.36 | jnwhiteh | so? |
| 13:03.26 | jnwhiteh | You may not _like_ the EPGP approach, but it's simple, effective and works quite well |
| 13:03.26 | Cruciformer | its a finite resource. savedvariables arent. |
| 13:03.29 | jnwhiteh | so? |
| 13:03.40 | jnwhiteh | that's not simple |
| 13:03.43 | jnwhiteh | data duplication, merging, etc. |
| 13:03.50 | Cruciformer | so? |
| 13:03.55 | jnwhiteh | simple |
| 13:03.58 | jnwhiteh | that's what I care about |
| 13:04.02 | zenzelezz | if a guild wants to use those values for such data, then let them |
| 13:04.06 | jnwhiteh | people overcomplicate shit too much |
| 13:04.12 | zenzelezz | I've yet to be in a guild that used them for anything useful |
| 13:04.19 | jnwhiteh | let's formulate a really complicated solution to a problem that has a much simpler answer |
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| 13:04.23 | jnwhiteh | just because we don't like how it tastes |
| 13:04.27 | jnwhiteh | and I don't understand that. |
| 13:04.32 | Cruciformer | its not simple if you run out of space. the design calls for a very finite set of things being able to use it. You have no control over that. Its simply bad, no matter how simple. |
| 13:04.35 | jnwhiteh | especially in this context, with what zenzelezz says. |
| 13:04.42 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: no, that's your opinion |
| 13:04.44 | jnwhiteh | you believe it's bad |
| 13:04.45 | jnwhiteh | it is not bad. |
| 13:04.50 | jnwhiteh | there's a very big difference |
| 13:05.00 | jnwhiteh | because with one I can heartily disagree with you, and we can end the conversation |
| 13:05.07 | jnwhiteh | with the other one you are being wrong on the internet, and I can't ahve that! |
| 13:05.26 | Cruciformer | as I said in teh original sentence, "IMHO" ... in case that acronym is not familiar to you, it means "In My Humble *OPINION*". An opinion is by definition my own, not a statement of fact. |
| 13:05.35 | jnwhiteh | I'm aware of your original opinion. |
| 13:05.40 | jnwhiteh | Its simply bad, no matter how simple. |
| 13:05.44 | jnwhiteh | that's what you just said |
| 13:05.50 | jnwhiteh | I'm just seeking clarification |
| 13:06.35 | jnwhiteh | I also disagree with you calling EPGP a "flawed" mod. *shrug* |
| 13:06.51 | Cruciformer | In my opinion, using a data storage mechanism that is limited, not intended to store state data is bad. |
| 13:07.03 | jnwhiteh | Then we disagree |
| 13:07.08 | Cruciformer | I said epgp storing data in officer notes was flawed, not teh system. the system itself is awesome. |
| 13:07.17 | Grum | epgp is meh! |
| 13:07.30 | jnwhiteh | How is a MOTD or Vent info any less "stateful" than something that happens to change more frequently. |
| 13:08.14 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 13:08.19 | Cruciformer | since it is a shared namespace, how do you in any way prevent mod A from overwriting the data in an officer note from mod B? |
| 13:08.33 | Cruciformer | where is there any form of implied "good behaviour:" with regards to using those fields? |
| 13:08.37 | jnwhiteh | There isn't. |
| 13:08.45 | jnwhiteh | the mod has a requirement, it requires access to those data fields |
| 13:08.51 | Cruciformer | therefore, it is not simple, and is flawed as use as a data sotre. |
| 13:08.58 | jnwhiteh | if the officers do not store any data there, and they feel the addon fits their needs, they choose to use one of them. |
| 13:09.30 | Cruciformer | and now what happens when the guild needs to run another mod with teh same requirement? |
| 13:09.36 | jnwhiteh | They make a decision |
| 13:09.36 | jnwhiteh | simple |
| 13:09.36 | Grum | then not do it? |
| 13:09.42 | jnwhiteh | You're overcomplicating this |
| 13:09.44 | Cruciformer | no that is not simple |
| 13:09.49 | Cruciformer | no sir you are. |
| 13:09.57 | Grum | lol |
| 13:09.58 | jnwhiteh | I'm claiming its as simple as simple can be |
| 13:09.59 | Cruciformer | savedvariables is what addons are supposed to use to store state |
| 13:10.01 | jnwhiteh | how is that overcomplicating? |
| 13:10.10 | jnwhiteh | no, savedvariables are what addons can use to store private state data. |
| 13:10.31 | jnwhiteh | and guild notes/officer notes are a place where users (and thus addons) can store data that should be displayed and available to all members of the guild at all times |
| 13:10.45 | jnwhiteh | Just because its a finite resource doesn't change that at all. |
| 13:10.52 | klip | if you save it in officer's notes, then you don't need an addon to know what is your epgp state |
| 13:11.01 | jnwhiteh | word! |
| 13:11.12 | Grum | oh you dont? |
| 13:11.16 | Cruciformer | *shrug* your arguments do not convince me. |
| 13:11.22 | Adys | Anyone here got chrome on windows |
| 13:11.22 | Grum | so regular people can read officer notes now? |
| 13:11.31 | Cruciformer | adys: Yes sir I do |
| 13:11.34 | klip | if you set the permission |
| 13:11.34 | Adys | http://c6.org/toogle/index.php?phrase=google |
| 13:11.40 | Adys | can you highlight the google logo Cruciformer |
| 13:11.45 | Adys | tell me if you get graphical glitches |
| 13:11.50 | Adys | upon highlighting off |
| 13:12.30 | Cruciformer | when its being highlighted it looks like crap but when I highlight something else it goes back to being ok |
| 13:12.52 | Adys | can you like |
| 13:12.58 | Adys | slowly highlight from bottom to top |
| 13:13.03 | Adys | and slowly highlight off |
| 13:13.05 | Adys | from top to bottom |
| 13:13.06 | Adys | in one move |
| 13:13.12 | Cruciformer | yes |
| 13:13.24 | Adys | any glitch? |
| 13:13.39 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: I'm not trying to convince you, and I only stepped in because I felt you were overstating your opinion as something more than that. Perhaps I was wrong, but at least the discussion was interesting. |
| 13:14.08 | Cruciformer | only in the highlighted portion where it looses the color and things look all ... different characters, but as I unhighlight it all comes back ok |
| 13:14.18 | Wobin | yeah |
| 13:14.22 | Wobin | it screws up for me |
| 13:14.29 | Wobin | it goes to a rectangular block of google |
| 13:14.35 | Cruciformer | jnwhiteh: I did not mean to assert my opinion as correct, just as an opinion :) |
| 13:14.38 | Adys | when highlighted, thats normal |
| 13:14.46 | Adys | it should look like normal text (i think) |
| 13:14.48 | Adys | but |
| 13:14.48 | Cruciformer | however being a man of strong opinions it may not have come over that way :) |
| 13:14.50 | Wobin | well, that's not really a glitch |
| 13:14.52 | Adys | its upon highlighting off |
| 13:14.58 | Adys | lemme ss |
| 13:15.03 | Wobin | since it's just not highlighting according to shade |
| 13:15.54 | Cruciformer | what version u using adys? |
| 13:16.10 | Adys | Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US) AppleWebKit/532.0 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/4.0.203.2 Safari/532.0 |
| 13:16.10 | Cruciformer | Google Chrome4.0.203.2 (Official Build 24690) |
| 13:16.23 | Adys | yeah same |
| 13:16.27 | jnwhiteh | fair enough |
| 13:16.31 | Wobin | it glitches on me in FF |
| 13:16.43 | Wobin | I get like ------ |
| 13:16.53 | Wobin | with a bottom line of googles |
| 13:17.05 | Wobin | oh I see, it's just overlapping |
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| 13:22.45 | Adys | Wobin, Cruciformer http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/webkit-opacity.png |
| 13:23.01 | Wobin | nope, doesn't do that for me |
| 13:23.42 | Wobin | I'm using 3.0.195.10 of chrome |
| 13:24.15 | Fisker | mine looks alright |
| 13:24.18 | Fisker | on chrome 4 |
| 13:25.42 | Kalroth | link to the html page of that, pls! |
| 13:26.08 | Kalroth | oops, found it |
| 13:26.27 | Kalroth | and its fine here, so neener neener |
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| 13:41.14 | mikma | [16:40:05] [GEN] [Velino]: Paladins are like Inspector gadget, completly retarded with tools for every situation |
| 13:42.37 | Kalroth | :D |
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| 13:58.04 | Mikk | well.. if every situation is a nail, they sure have a lot of hammers |
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| 14:03.24 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle snort* |
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| 14:28.35 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:28.46 | Lopeppeppy | Heyo. |
| 14:41.49 | Fisker | gentleme |
| 14:41.50 | Fisker | n |
| 14:44.43 | Lopeppeppy | Where? |
| 14:45.30 | orionshock | ~seen Maldivia |
| 14:45.32 | purl | maldivia <n=the_real@merge.beerzone.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 48d 17h 42m 31s ago, saying: 'if you kill any before the 8th spawn, no hard-mode for you'. |
| 14:45.34 | orionshock | ~seen Maldivia_ |
| 14:45.35 | purl | maldivia_ is currently on #wowuidev (23h 4m 47s), last said: 'hmm'. |
| 14:48.50 | orionshock | Maldivia_: ping - check ur wowi PM please ;) |
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| 15:09.52 | cogwheel | Do you remember the 21st night of this month? |
| 15:10.10 | Cruciformer | u mean the solstice? |
| 15:10.13 | cogwheel | can't believe it's already september |
| 15:10.36 | Cruciformer | i cant believe WWII started 70 years ago today |
| 15:11.26 | industrial | http://gist.github.com/179146 |
| 15:11.43 | cogwheel | Cruciformer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfLEc09tTjI |
| 15:11.44 | industrial | this makes my frame movable but setpoints it back to the center every reload, if I leave the setpoint out it will not show |
| 15:11.48 | industrial | how would I fix that :S |
| 15:12.29 | Lopeppeppy | SLEEEEPY! Why am I at work? |
| 15:12.40 | cogwheel | teh bucks |
| 15:12.51 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Right. Gotcha! |
| 15:13.10 | cogwheel | teh bucks r teh sucks |
| 15:13.51 | Lopeppeppy | For some people. *giggle snark* |
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| 15:15.00 | cogwheel | smells wine |
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| 15:16.38 | Cruciformer | cogwheel: I HATe you |
| 15:16.51 | Cruciformer | now Im going to have that bloody song stuck in my head |
| 15:17.15 | cogwheel | better EW&F than ... other songs... |
| 15:17.16 | cogwheel | imo |
| 15:17.16 | cogwheel | :P |
| 15:17.40 | Cruciformer | true, it coulda been rick astly |
| 15:17.45 | Lopeppeppy | "The wheels on the bus go round and round..." |
| 15:17.46 | cogwheel | rickastleycoughs |
| 15:17.50 | cogwheel | lol |
| 15:17.54 | Cruciformer | but still it sucks fettid dingos kidneys |
| 15:18.52 | cogwheel | but it explains my original question at least ;) |
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| 15:19.25 | Fisker | cogwheelmen |
| 15:19.29 | industrial | why is ContainerFrame1.size empty when the bags aren't shown at first :| |
| 15:19.37 | cogwheel | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large Shirik |
| 15:19.44 | industrial | any other way to iterate all slots (and get their frames)? |
| 15:19.59 | industrial | well I could just loop and see where it ends I guess |
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| 15:33.47 | kneeki | Ugh, I don't have the creative mind to be a designer =\ |
| 15:34.02 | kneeki | Been working all morning on putting together a wordpress theme, and I'm still on square one |
| 15:34.29 | Mikk | Steal one |
| 15:34.30 | Mikk | Done. |
| 15:34.35 | kneeki | lol |
| 15:34.38 | kneeki | I wanted to make one |
| 15:34.45 | kneeki | from scratch! |
| 15:34.56 | Mikk | Plagiarism is only plagiarism if you're caught out |
| 15:35.04 | kneeki | problem is, mine look like someone crapped on the interwebs and smeared it around w/ a stick |
| 15:35.17 | zenzelezz | that's okay, that goes well with Wordpress |
| 15:35.22 | Mikk | grins |
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| 15:36.07 | kneeki | haha |
| 15:36.19 | industrial | zenzelezz++ |
| 15:40.34 | Lopeppeppy | Pick a wordpress theme that's close to what you want, and edit the crap out of it. Include proper reference, and you're done. |
| 15:40.52 | kneeki | Lopeppeppy: That's what I've done in the past, numerous times |
| 15:41.09 | Lopeppeppy | Seems to work well then. :P |
| 15:41.21 | kneeki | haha yeah |
| 15:41.26 | kneeki | for us unimaginative types |
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| 15:45.41 | Lopeppeppy | There are only 7 original ideas, everything else is deriviative. |
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| 15:46.27 | Fisker | sued for copyright violation |
| 15:46.30 | kneeki | I wouldn't limit it to 7, a 'new' idea can happen at any moment. But i definatly get your point |
| 15:46.33 | Fisker | even though it's a patent |
| 15:46.57 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/pvp/WoWScrnShot_090109_184455.jpg |
| 15:48.44 | kneeki | Running out of coffee sucks |
| 15:48.50 | kneeki | Now I have to get up, and get more =( |
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| 15:53.28 | olafski | bnice damage mikma ;p |
| 15:53.31 | Grum | mikma: what addon puts the icon in front of the itemlink? |
| 15:53.34 | olafski | assuming that's what you were getting at |
| 15:54.03 | Fisker | your ui sucks and it should feel bad |
| 15:54.26 | olafski | I like the "no guide loaded" part |
| 15:54.35 | olafski | does not look out of place at all on a lvl 80 char |
| 15:54.43 | Grum | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:55.11 | Zyn | my god, mikma, my GM is in that screen |
| 15:55.14 | olafski | I actually tried that addon once on my shaman in bloodmyst isle but I couldn't figure out how it worked :( |
| 15:55.22 | Grum | lol |
| 15:55.25 | industrial | try clicking it? |
| 15:55.28 | industrial | fail~ |
| 15:56.44 | industrial | GetContainerNumSlots(5) returns 0 to me but ContainerFrame5Item16 exists just fine |
| 15:57.06 | industrial | same with GetContainerNumFreeSlots |
| 15:57.18 | industrial | just for the fourth bag :S |
| 15:59.24 | AnduinLothar | !api GetContainerNumSlots |
| 15:59.24 | lua_bot | GetContainerNumSlots: Returns the number of slots in one of the player's bags (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetContainerNumSlots) |
| 15:59.49 | olafski | industrial: yes I tried.. but the order in which it made me do stuff made very little sense |
| 16:00.36 | industrial | well you have to use it from level 1 |
| 16:00.41 | industrial | and then it makes very much sense |
| 16:00.59 | Shirik | I swear |
| 16:01.07 | Shirik | I find a new inconsistency on my student account every day |
| 16:01.24 | Shirik | URGENT: Your current class schedule is now in jeopardy! |
| 16:01.24 | Shirik | According to our records, your financial obligations have not been met. |
| 16:01.46 | Shirik | Total: Charges: 41,538.53 Payments: 41,538.53 Balance: 0.00 |
| 16:01.50 | Shirik | ...... |
| 16:02.00 | olafski | industrial: how does that differ from just arriving in a zone and using it then? |
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| 16:02.13 | olafski | it sent me to pick up some quest, do the quest, pick up the next quest and do it _in the same area_ |
| 16:02.25 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik... :P |
| 16:02.25 | olafski | I find it much easier to just pick up all the quests and use carbonite to decide which to do first :P |
| 16:02.29 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. |
| 16:02.35 | Shirik | I give up |
| 16:02.36 | Lunessa | Morning. |
| 16:02.39 | Shirik | they can kick me out of school |
| 16:02.50 | mikma | zyn: ok |
| 16:02.51 | Shirik | then they won't have an EE lab and will lose hundrends of thousands in tuition :P |
| 16:02.57 | mikma | grum: ChatIcons |
| 16:03.01 | Zyn | hope you killed him a lot ;< |
| 16:03.23 | industrial | olafski: its a guide for 1-80 not zone by zone, often quests lead from one zone to another |
| 16:03.39 | olafski | industrial: the guides I found were zone specific.. i.e. the ones that came with tourguide |
| 16:03.43 | industrial | its possible theres some errors in it but you can fix tat by bugging tekkub :p |
| 16:04.05 | industrial | olafski: they were a specific part of the guide yes but you don't usually just start out in a zone |
| 16:04.09 | mikma | zyn: i dont know. |
| 16:04.24 | Zyn | if you see Sylvestra, pew pew |
| 16:04.37 | Zyn | we enjoy hearing his endless whine |
| 16:04.47 | industrial | olafski: its basically joana's guide for horde and the other ones bryans or something for alliance |
| 16:04.56 | industrial | but ingame with location points |
| 16:05.39 | Fisker | i like playing my rogue again |
| 16:05.45 | Fisker | Cheap Shot->Killing Spree |
| 16:06.21 | industrial | I hate rogues, might like playing onw. |
| 16:06.22 | industrial | one* |
| 16:06.29 | Fisker | though i should say Cheap Shot->K-K-K-K-KILLING SPREE |
| 16:10.18 | Shirik | CRAP |
| 16:10.19 | Shirik | :( |
| 16:10.38 | Shirik | I just sent out an email to all my students saying "Lab sessions will begin this Thursday, August 3." |
| 16:10.54 | nicoli_s | whopps |
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| 16:14.34 | Fisker | oh shi |
| 16:14.39 | Fisker | you just destroyed us all |
| 16:14.46 | Fisker | thanks a lot Shirik |
| 16:14.53 | Fisker | or should i say jerkrik? |
| 16:15.22 | zenzelezz | Shirik: blame your mail server |
| 16:18.20 | Lopeppeppy | Blame your secretary! |
| 16:19.43 | Aelobin | is there an addon that warns you like 10-30 mins before WG starts? |
| 16:19.49 | Aelobin | i keep missing it because i forget :P |
| 16:20.32 | Lopeppeppy | Wintergrasp? There are timers out there. |
| 16:21.38 | Hjalte | Aelobin: WinterTimer or something like that |
| 16:22.51 | dardack | yea wintertimer does that |
| 16:23.17 | dardack | you could also check the map when you log in and just start a countdown timer |
| 16:24.09 | dardack | i usually only participate if i'm farming nodes in WG anyways, since the 2 daily quests i can do without battle, and the other 2 (win and vehicle) im just like bleh |
| 16:24.17 | dardack | i mean i turn my shards into honor to buy gems anyways |
| 16:24.49 | dardack | wish something new could be bought with the shards tho, after the mount and the boa shoulders kinda like eh |
| 16:24.49 | Kazie | Anyone here who can tell me why [modifier:shift] and [modifier:ctrl] doesn't work when [modifier:alt] does? |
| 16:24.52 | Kazie | for macros |
| 16:25.21 | dardack | is the ctrl+whatever key that macro on already binded? |
| 16:25.32 | Kazie | Yes |
| 16:25.38 | dardack | that's why? |
| 16:25.43 | Kazie | It works with alt |
| 16:25.54 | dardack | well alt+that key the macro is on isn't binded then |
| 16:25.55 | Kazie | the binding doesn't use shift or ctrl |
| 16:26.07 | dardack | i don't think i'm explaining myself well |
| 16:26.20 | dardack | ok the slot where you put your macro prolly has a keybinding for it |
| 16:26.22 | dardack | let's say 1 |
| 16:26.34 | dardack | so if ctrl+1 is already bound to another slot somewhere |
| 16:26.43 | dardack | i don't believe the macro will work with the modifier for ctrl |
| 16:26.51 | dardack | but i could be wrong, i just think that's how it works |
| 16:27.03 | Kazie | I got that but it's not working |
| 16:27.39 | Kazie | I use numpad1 for the binding .. but only modifier:alt works.. even shift+numpad1 or ctrl+numpad1 is not bound to anything either. |
| 16:27.49 | Kazie | even tho* |
| 16:28.19 | dardack | no idea mine for ctrl+shift work for my shaman+2nd account for healing purposes, once i removed the ctrland shift keybindings for those keys |
| 16:29.23 | Kazie | It's really odd |
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| 16:39.45 | Lunessa | The priority is: ModifiedClick > Keybind > Macro Code |
| 16:41.14 | Kazie | so if ctrl+numpad1 and shift+numpad1 is not bound and still doesn't work as modifiers, what could the problem be then? :o |
| 16:41.38 | Lunessa | NumLock |
| 16:41.48 | Kazie | It's not |
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| 16:41.53 | Kazie | because alt modifier works fine |
| 16:41.56 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o ckknight] by ChanServ |
| 16:42.24 | Lunessa | Check to make sure Shift and Ctrl aren't set as Focus and Self-Cast keys |
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| 16:43.06 | Kazie | actually.. alt is set as auto-selfcast key :o |
| 16:44.51 | Kazie | In fact alt is the only of the 3 modifiers set for anything, and it's the only one working for some reason |
| 16:50.55 | Kazie | Is it possible that /cast [modifier:alt/ctrl/shift] have limitations on abilities? .. because alt is the only one working, but only on certain abilities. :o |
| 16:51.23 | Lopeppeppy | Is it possible that your macros themselves are broken, and that's why they don't work? |
| 16:52.15 | Kazie | Maybe i should just dump my UI and work these things out without any addons |
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| 16:52.28 | Seerah | maybe... |
| 16:52.35 | Shirik | I have determined I just automatically break systems |
| 16:52.37 | Shirik | I'm trying to renew IEEE membership and they say I've graduate |
| 16:52.39 | Shirik | graduated |
| 16:52.53 | Lunessa | Shirik: When was the last time you slept? |
| 16:52.57 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet, are they going to convince your school of that? |
| 16:53.04 | Seerah | hehe |
| 16:53.17 | Shirik | not too long ago |
| 16:53.20 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
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| 17:08.36 | Shirik | oh dear |
| 17:08.41 | Shirik | I'm reading this paper |
| 17:09.09 | Shirik | "LEAN practice was developed in Japanese automobile production companies. This is also known as Toyota Production System. Taiichi Ohno considered as the farter [sic] of this practice [9]." |
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| 17:11.20 | Lunessa | Wow - the man passes gas and a new manufacturing system is born. |
| 17:11.43 | zenzelezz | that's Japanese efficieny for you |
| 17:11.48 | zenzelezz | also explains a lot of their porn |
| 17:12.14 | Shirik | rofl |
| 17:15.36 | luigithekid | Quick chat panels question, is there a way to have more than one tab on any secondary chat panel? |
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| 17:16.51 | Lunessa | No. |
| 17:18.38 | Corvein | addonstudio is the software i need to be using correct? |
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| 17:21.12 | Lopeppeppy | For.... ? |
| 17:21.21 | Cloudwolf | mmmm i love matenance days! |
| 17:21.46 | kdtresh | maintenance gives me a chance to... browse the web and be very bored |
| 17:22.11 | kdtresh | i guess i could actually do some work, they are paying me, after all |
| 17:22.32 | Cloudwolf | lol who is they? |
| 17:22.39 | kdtresh | my employer :P |
| 17:22.53 | Cloudwolf | lol playing wow at your work? |
| 17:22.56 | kdtresh | digs around for his BOFH handbook. |
| 17:23.08 | kdtresh | no, it's maintenance right now |
| 17:23.25 | Cloudwolf | i mean if maitenance wasn't happening |
| 17:23.49 | kdtresh | if maintenance was done, i would probably be in wow, yes |
| 17:24.05 | Cloudwolf | XD what is your job |
| 17:24.11 | kdtresh | sysadmin |
| 17:24.38 | Corvein | i'm trying to access /raidinfo for partymembers to cross reference and show which heroics the team can run |
| 17:24.41 | kdtresh | the lag in wow alerts me to problems with the network before users complain |
| 17:25.19 | Cloudwolf | O.o??? buh... you work for wow? |
| 17:25.25 | kdtresh | no |
| 17:25.32 | Cloudwolf | im confused now lol |
| 17:25.48 | kdtresh | it's kinda crappy when marketing has to upload pictures or videos, it bogs our upstream and it takes like 10 seconds to cast instant spells |
| 17:26.56 | Lopeppeppy | You can use that software, Corvein, sure. But are you sure there's not an addon out there for that already? |
| 17:27.09 | Corvein | i can't find anything |
| 17:27.11 | Lopeppeppy | Cloudwolf, he just plays WoW sometimes at work. |
| 17:27.19 | kdtresh | yes, wow is my system idle process |
| 17:27.24 | Lopeppeppy | ~wowprogramming |
| 17:27.25 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 17:27.27 | kdtresh | if nothing else requires my attention, i can play, lol |
| 17:27.42 | Lopeppeppy | That's a good resource, Corvein. |
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| 17:27.54 | Corvein | rocking, thats probably what i needed purl |
| 17:27.57 | Corvein | thanks |
| 17:28.02 | kdtresh | 3rd party program installation requires approval of IT. i am IT. i approved the installation of wow. |
| 17:29.06 | luigithekid | ok, another chat frmaes question. BasicChatMods can justify the combatlog frame, can Chatter, or any other addon justify any other frame? |
| 17:29.32 | Cloudwolf | lol kdtresh nice perk |
| 17:29.47 | foxlit | thinks kdtresh needs a new name. |
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| 17:30.01 | foxlit | It's colliding with kdthree in my brain :/ |
| 17:30.23 | Thunder_Child | get a new brain |
| 17:30.47 | foxlit | Clearly telling other people to get a new name is easier. |
| 17:31.16 | Ackis | anyone here upgrade from vista -> 7? |
| 17:31.19 | foxlit | I got this amazingly awesome stack trace: http://www.pastey.net/124477 |
| 17:31.36 | kdtresh | my boss tried to go from 32-bit vista to 64-bit 7, didn't work |
| 17:31.52 | kdtresh | i keep telling him 64-bit isn't worth it, and he insist on trying |
| 17:32.01 | Ackis | I'm in the process of going from 64 vista to 64 7... I started 19 hours ago |
| 17:32.01 | nevcairiel | foxlit: are you looking for evil things again? |
| 17:32.02 | kdtresh | and then he whines to me when he can't find 64-bit printer drivers or versions of programs |
| 17:32.29 | nevcairiel | kdtresh: next version of windows will probably don't even come in 32-bit anymore, go with the time already =P |
| 17:32.42 | Ackis | wants to know what it's taken 19 hours and will probably not be done before he gets home from work. :( |
| 17:32.44 | nevcairiel | (and replace ancient printers!) |
| 17:32.46 | kdtresh | i'm happy with my 32-bit xp, lol |
| 17:32.52 | kdtresh | we did replace the printers |
| 17:33.01 | kdtresh | the one in question is a big color copier |
| 17:33.06 | kdtresh | and fiery drivers are crap |
| 17:33.20 | foxlit | nevcairiel: No, that one is just a plain circular recursive call somewhere in my regular code. |
| 17:33.33 | foxlit | Besides, I think I've found my next evil plan. |
| 17:33.59 | NightHawkTheSane | http://dilidoo.com/2009/01/07/the_most_unusual_number_plates_48_pics.html |
| 17:38.07 | Cloudwolf | ngga plz lol |
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| 17:44.54 | kdtresh | wheee, extended maintenance |
| 17:45.37 | kdtresh | maybe i'll take a long lunch today, lol |
| 17:46.19 | NightHawkTheSane | long lunches are good every day |
| 17:47.27 | kdtresh | true |
| 17:47.44 | dardack | woot time for the trolls to complain about more maintance |
| 17:49.08 | Fisker | how did you make that connection? |
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| 17:53.22 | dardack | about 10 threadds locked in 30 seconds |
| 17:53.25 | dardack | was kinda funny |
| 17:53.45 | dardack | all complaining about the same ol thing on tuesdays but saw a flurry of them when they announced extended to 2pm |
| 17:55.07 | Lopeppeppy | Whaaaaambulance on the way. |
| 17:55.33 | dardack | totally |
| 17:55.39 | dardack | gives me a good laugh tho |
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| 17:58.43 | Cloudwolf | rofl that happended last maintenance teusday also |
| 17:58.53 | Cloudwolf | FIX YOUR FIXING GOD DAMNIT BLIZZARD! XD |
| 17:59.51 | Dagmar | It happens every week |
| 18:00.15 | Dagmar | All the little kiddies who think everything is like an X-Box you just have to reboot once in awhile ALWAYS complain about it, like it's ever going away |
| 18:00.34 | Dagmar | THey refuse to believe that hardware of that order actually requires serious attention |
| 18:01.41 | Fisker | still no info on 3.2.2? |
| 18:02.08 | dardack | i know the new boss in voa is today |
| 18:02.21 | dardack | Oh i also love people's short term memory |
| 18:02.27 | dardack | like this always happens, when like 2 weeks ago |
| 18:02.30 | dardack | only rolling restarts |
| 18:03.26 | NightHawkTheSane | The wow forums represent the dumbest percentage of the internet. Are we really surprised when they do things like this? |
| 18:03.33 | Dagmar | No. |
| 18:03.44 | Dagmar | What suprises me is that we don't have any way to perma-ignore people on the forums |
| 18:03.58 | NightHawkTheSane | There is one way. |
| 18:04.03 | Lopeppeppy | I thought you could ignore people. |
| 18:04.06 | NightHawkTheSane | You kind of have to perma-ignore everyone, though |
| 18:04.08 | gliterati | the servers arent down for maintenance every tuesday theyre down for social engineering. |
| 18:04.11 | gliterati | but w/e |
| 18:04.13 | gliterati | think what u want. |
| 18:04.39 | gliterati | think how many wow addicts right now are tending to their real word responsibilities when they would otherwise be playing wow. |
| 18:04.43 | gliterati | a lot of them. |
| 18:05.58 | dardack | never thought of that gliterati |
| 18:06.00 | dardack | i like that |
| 18:06.10 | dardack | Lopeppeppy: if you can ignore people on forum please let me know how |
| 18:06.11 | Beladona | I call bull |
| 18:06.17 | dardack | and i mean specific people not everyone |
| 18:06.35 | Beladona | instead of playing wow, those addicts are on their guilds website, visiting wow news sites, or otherwise immersing themselves with offline forms of wow |
| 18:06.50 | gliterati | right, keeping up their game, wishing they could play wow.. |
| 18:06.54 | gliterati | good advertising for those ones, isnt it? |
| 18:06.55 | dardack | i know a few who do gardening tuesdays |
| 18:07.02 | gliterati | i clean. |
| 18:07.05 | gliterati | every tuesday. |
| 18:07.15 | dardack | that too |
| 18:07.36 | dardack | me i work |
| 18:07.55 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 18:08.06 | gliterati | ya that sort of thing. |
| 18:08.11 | roastx | or playing wow on private servers |
| 18:08.19 | DWSR | I...have a life. |
| 18:08.25 | gliterati | PTE is up during maintenance isnt it? |
| 18:08.27 | DWSR | And I get laid. Every Tuesday. |
| 18:08.34 | Lunessa | During maintenance I do errands before work. |
| 18:08.42 | Lunessa | DWSR: Braggart |
| 18:08.51 | DWSR | Lunessa: Jealous is unbecoming of you. |
| 18:09.00 | DWSR | s/lous/lousy/ |
| 18:09.00 | roastx | i get laid once a millenium |
| 18:09.02 | roastx | :( |
| 18:09.08 | gliterati | *ptr |
| 18:09.27 | Lunessa | Jealousy and Rage fuel my vast mental powers. At the rate I'm going, I'll explode an nuke Tokyo any week now. |
| 18:09.31 | roastx | i dont understand why girls find me so unattractive, im only 600lbs |
| 18:09.45 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: you're the Second Impact, aren't you. |
| 18:09.54 | Lunessa | *nods* |
| 18:10.00 | NightHawkTheSane | hopes someone gets that.. |
| 18:10.09 | gliterati | roastx, you dont have creative facial hair. |
| 18:10.11 | Lunessa | Tetsuo... |
| 18:10.29 | gliterati | if you had some lightning or star shaved on your face, different story. |
| 18:11.02 | Lunessa | Asymmetric beards. They'll be all the rage in 200+ years. |
| 18:13.42 | Lopeppeppy | Sheeple, they kills me. |
| 18:14.03 | gliterati | are you a rebel lope? |
| 18:14.24 | roastx | yeah maybe ill make a beard for each of my chins |
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| 18:14.54 | Lopeppeppy | I have no facial hair to scribe symbols in, so I guess I ain't rebellious. |
| 18:16.13 | Lopeppeppy | Great. My password is coming back as incorrect. I just do not want to deal with this hassle after JUST fixing my stupid authenticator. *sigh* |
| 18:16.40 | Lopeppeppy | ponders |
| 18:17.07 | Dagmar | You know... they might be related |
| 18:17.21 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sure they are. Rawr. |
| 18:17.27 | kd3 | hm... what a nice change... step outside and it's around 20 instead of 40. go fall |
| 18:17.31 | dardack | what happened? |
| 18:17.39 | dardack | i love fall/winter over summer |
| 18:17.47 | dardack | so happy it's coming, it was 38 last nite |
| 18:17.50 | dardack | OMG was so happy |
| 18:18.00 | Dagmar | We've now entered the Global Warming Week Of Fall |
| 18:18.00 | gliterati | air is much cleaner in fall here. |
| 18:18.19 | Lopeppeppy | That's okay, it's easy to reset, finally.... |
| 18:19.06 | DWSR | fuck fall. |
| 18:19.08 | DWSR | Winter > * |
| 18:19.37 | DWSR | I sleep with my window open in the winter and wake up to frostbite. I fucking love winter. |
| 18:19.42 | gliterati | it rains here all winter so its pretty dark usually which sucks. |
| 18:20.13 | gliterati | it snowed when i was a kid. |
| 18:20.30 | Lopeppeppy | I've had snow in June, good times. |
| 18:22.00 | kd3 | in other news... looks like they're finally fixing my battlegroup. wtb an end of "additional instances cannot be launched" |
| 18:22.19 | Lopeppeppy | Excellent news. |
| 18:23.46 | gliterati | i wish theyd stop messing up paladins protection tree. theyre really just overhauling it every patch or 2. |
| 18:23.50 | gliterati | like they got it wrong. |
| 18:23.57 | durcyn | they did get it wrong. |
| 18:24.17 | Lopeppeppy | They're not likely to make any more changes until the next expansion, at this point. |
| 18:24.21 | gliterati | seems pretty functional? |
| 18:24.44 | gliterati | hm, i read somewhere they're switching touched by light to scale sp off strength rather than stam. |
| 18:24.47 | gliterati | in 3.22 |
| 18:24.50 | gliterati | let me see if i can find that |
| 18:25.19 | kd3 | it's in the patch notes |
| 18:25.21 | Lopeppeppy | That's probably already in the works then. |
| 18:25.25 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_3.2.2#Paladin |
| 18:25.29 | gliterati | ok |
| 18:26.02 | Lopeppeppy | I don't see them doing much else, unless something is vastly broken, but I guess it depends on how long it takes for the expansion to hit. |
| 18:26.19 | Lopeppeppy | I keep thinking 6 months, I am soooooo messed in my time sense. |
| 18:26.29 | Cloudwolf | Master Poisoner: Now also provides a 33/66/100% chance of preventing Envenom from consuming Deadly Poison. hells yes |
| 18:27.09 | Lopeppeppy | Neat! |
| 18:27.46 | industrial | I don't know rogues but if thats a PVE thingy then yay! |
| 18:27.52 | industrial | otherwise, boo ofcourse. |
| 18:27.55 | dardack | wait xpac 6 months? i was think 12-15 |
| 18:28.12 | Cloudwolf | piosno master increses chance to apply instant and dealy poison to at arget |
| 18:28.12 | Lopeppeppy | I said my time sense was off, dardack. 12-15 is much more likely. |
| 18:28.24 | Cloudwolf | and evenom consumes x does of deadly poison based on x number of combo points |
| 18:28.26 | gliterati | oh yah thers that righteous fury nerf too. |
| 18:28.29 | gliterati | thats annoying also. |
| 18:28.36 | dardack | DK's getting nerfed again? |
| 18:28.48 | durcyn | gah, clearwire rolls out wimax in just about every texas market except mine. jerks. |
| 18:28.55 | gliterati | and the changes theyre making to hammer. stupid.. i just specced into that. |
| 18:29.19 | gliterati | i respec for patch 3.2 and theyre nerfing new spec 3.2.2.. nice foresight. |
| 18:30.06 | dardack | yea verizon fios is like being rolled out literally 5 miles from me |
| 18:30.07 | dardack | sigh |
| 18:30.13 | Cloudwolf | fan of knvies is getting a major nerf D: |
| 18:30.29 | gliterati | rogues got screwed. u got 1 aoe and they wreck it. typical. 100%. |
| 18:30.49 | gliterati | same as they did for exorcism. (oh u want another instant ranged holy damage? ok. 1 week.) |
| 18:30.59 | Lopeppeppy | Rogues were just never meant to be AoE. *gentle shrug* |
| 18:31.06 | gliterati | ruin my shockadin. |
| 18:31.09 | DWSR | Guise. |
| 18:31.19 | DWSR | Failure is not an option - it's bundled with Windows. |
| 18:31.28 | dardack | huh? |
| 18:31.39 | Cloudwolf | i know we weren't suppsoed to be aoe |
| 18:31.45 | Cloudwolf | but i use it to clear our and run peopel through low level instances |
| 18:31.54 | DWSR | Cloudwolf: Yes...and your point? |
| 18:31.56 | Cloudwolf | the fact its getting nerfed makes running people just a little harder |
| 18:32.05 | Seerah | .... |
| 18:32.07 | Cloudwolf | :P |
| 18:32.12 | Seerah | then they can bring an aoe class ;) |
| 18:32.14 | Lopeppeppy | Blade Flurry still there? |
| 18:32.15 | gliterati | i bet rogues suck for that |
| 18:32.24 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Yes. the only real rogue change is to FoK afaik. |
| 18:32.25 | Cloudwolf | it takes me like 3 fan of knives to take out guys in scarlet |
| 18:32.39 | gliterati | except if the person getting the run can stealth then its good if both can. |
| 18:33.11 | dardack | as a blood tank i liked the rogues FoK with their MD thing |
| 18:33.17 | dardack | since my aoe threat |
| 18:33.31 | dardack | i'm having issues typing today |
| 18:33.41 | Cloudwolf | see thats a good one i use for also guys going after soembody if i have tricks of the trade up |
| 18:33.43 | durcyn | blame the jerkbag disc priests who ran around with 4 rogues in arenas |
| 18:33.45 | Cloudwolf | fan of knives guys going for healer |
| 18:33.48 | Aqua | wow more wow delays |
| 18:33.49 | Cloudwolf | direct them tot he tank |
| 18:35.00 | dardack | yea well as blood tank my aoe threat suffers (esp that i don't spec into DnD imp or glyph) so nice to on some trash to have a rogue at times |
| 18:36.38 | Cloudwolf | ive herad fan of knives is getting nerfed cus its op in pvp... |
| 18:36.51 | kd3 | because it is? |
| 18:36.54 | Cloudwolf | but its losing 30% dmg |
| 18:37.12 | Cloudwolf | and losing throwing spec interuputing spell casting |
| 18:37.12 | Cloudwolf | >.< |
| 18:38.41 | dardack | wait no more throwing spec? |
| 18:38.46 | dardack | glad i got less-rabi before that |
| 18:39.24 | dardack | and most nerfs happen because of pvp |
| 18:39.36 | Cloudwolf | no dardack its still there |
| 18:39.39 | Cloudwolf | fan of knives no longer procs it |
| 18:39.45 | dardack | ok that's what i mean then |
| 18:40.00 | dardack | less-rabi pretty easy with a rogue with FoK and throwing spec right now |
| 18:40.25 | Cloudwolf | less rabi? |
| 18:40.28 | Cloudwolf | not sure which one that is |
| 18:40.35 | dardack | not let the guy transform in Gun |
| 18:40.40 | DWSR | it's really easy. |
| 18:40.44 | DWSR | Just have 12k DPS. |
| 18:40.47 | dardack | and for every % from his life the casting becomes faster |
| 18:41.11 | dardack | i've gone in with 13.5k DPS and still failed |
| 18:41.31 | DWSR | You only need an interrupt + school lock twice for 12k+ DPS I believe. |
| 18:41.43 | DWSR | We had a paladin tank and a mage. |
| 18:41.45 | dardack | yea you need a mage then |
| 18:41.47 | DWSR | We just pew pewed that fucker. |
| 18:41.56 | dardack | yea if you ahve the mage |
| 18:42.01 | dardack | i never had a mage |
| 18:42.09 | DWSR | dude, I love pew pewing instances. |
| 18:42.13 | dardack | i tanked without healer when i finally was successfuly |
| 18:42.22 | dardack | had 2 rogues spec'd into throwing |
| 18:42.23 | DWSR | Pushing like 4k in heroics makes me feel like the juggernaut. |
| 18:42.27 | dardack | just spamming FoK at 30% |
| 18:42.30 | DWSR | rofl |
| 18:42.41 | Dagmar | Just as long as you can avoid passing the tank in threat |
| 18:42.50 | DWSR | Dagmar: That never happens, I just wear my PvP gear. |
| 18:42.55 | dardack | i love going as blood dps and pulling 5.5k on bosses in heroics |
| 18:43.10 | DWSR | If I pull, I just sac and shadowfury. |
| 18:43.18 | DWSR | Or, it's dead before it reaches me anyway thanks to Aftermath. |
| 18:43.19 | Dagmar | DWSR: Believe it or not, I saw a rogue in Uld-25 gear last week who couldn't manage that |
| 18:43.29 | DWSR | O_O |
| 18:43.33 | DWSR | Warlocks have threat problems atm. |
| 18:43.39 | Dagmar | DWSR: I know I was impressed. I wonder who helps him get dressed in the morning. |
| 18:43.43 | dardack | locks do have threat problems |
| 18:43.54 | DWSR | omg, it's so disgusting how bad my threat is. |
| 18:43.59 | dardack | i have issues with fury warriors on trash that WW right away |
| 18:44.04 | Dagmar | Locks have 'planning for the future' problems |
| 18:44.21 | dardack | i mean srsly assist me and give me 3 seconds |
| 18:44.29 | dardack | cause of Global CD's |
| 18:44.39 | DWSR | Dagmar: let me put it this way. Our 10m ToC geared tank has problems with holding my threat, and I'm in mostly 219. |
| 18:44.40 | Lopeppeppy | locks have always had threat issues |
| 18:45.09 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Yeah, but the issue is being exacerbated by the fact that all our tier gear has farking crit. |
| 18:45.16 | dardack | everyone has threat issues when i forgot to pop into frost pres |
| 18:45.20 | dardack | .... |
| 18:45.27 | DWSR | I would much rather have haste, it's better point for point, and I have less threat issues. |
| 18:45.44 | DWSR | Since crits as Destro are worth 150% bonus dmg. |
| 18:45.53 | DWSR | And I think crits are double threat? |
| 18:46.23 | Dagmar | Not that I'm aware of |
| 18:46.35 | DWSR | Dagmar: Crits have a threat bonus on them, I think. |
| 18:46.58 | Dagmar | Yeah but I thought they dropped that |
| 18:47.27 | DWSR | I don't know if they did or didn't, but it doesn't feel like they did. |
| 18:47.31 | NightHawkTheSane | crits have no additional threat associated with them aside from the extra damage |
| 18:47.45 | DWSR | heh, k |
| 18:47.58 | Dagmar | Danke |
| 18:48.05 | DWSR | At any rate, with a 50% crit rate in a raid, it just seems like I get RNG screwed a lot. |
| 18:48.09 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm not even sure they ever did.. though that rumor's been around for ever. |
| 18:48.18 | Dagmar | You can EASILY be RNG-screwed with that crit rate |
| 18:48.22 | DWSR | I'll crit like 5 times in a row and the boss comes over and tries to eat my face. |
| 18:48.32 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: They did long ago when TPS and DPS were being reported separataely |
| 18:48.36 | Dagmar | Then it mattered |
| 18:48.56 | gliterati | is there such a thing as threat reducing trinkets anymore? |
| 18:49.00 | DWSR | No. |
| 18:49.13 | Dagmar | Well, there's one I have but it sucks |
| 18:49.24 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yeah, I know that my crit rate can screw me, but the problem is that I can't fucking DROP any crit! It's all from gear and talents! |
| 18:49.30 | Dagmar | Like, there's none that will do you a lick of good after 60 or 70 (can't remember) |
| 18:49.34 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: that must have been VERY long ago |
| 18:49.41 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: It was |
| 18:49.45 | Dagmar | Pre outlands IIRC |
| 18:49.58 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, definitely |
| 18:50.05 | gliterati | dam |
| 18:50.08 | DWSR | Yeah, it was definitely vanilla WoW when I heard that. |
| 18:50.09 | Dagmar | I was glad to see it go because mechanics like that murder clothies |
| 18:50.12 | DWSR | I didn't know if it had changed. |
| 18:50.13 | gliterati | yah ive seen them |
| 18:50.20 | Dagmar | ...and it was an EQ mechanism, so it's crap by definition |
| 18:50.24 | DWSR | lol |
| 18:50.36 | NightHawkTheSane | *shrug* as an abstract mechanic it's neither good nor bad |
| 18:50.38 | Dagmar | You could case the dinkiest level 1 fireball as a wizard in EQ four times fast, and a mob would COME FOR YOU |
| 18:50.39 | DWSR | I'm thinking of dropping Lightweave off my cloak in favour of Subelty. |
| 18:50.40 | NightHawkTheSane | it's all in the implementation and context |
| 18:51.00 | Dagmar | It's a bad mechanism in that it doesn't make any sense |
| 18:51.33 | DWSR | I have all my threat reduction talents, and my paladin tank Salv's me on a regular basis. |
| 18:51.38 | DWSR | And it *still* creeps up. |
| 18:51.51 | Dagmar | So, as sad as this sounds, cast a little more slowly |
| 18:52.06 | gliterati | theres a wisdom cloak chant that reduces threat |
| 18:52.11 | DWSR | Dagmar: yeah, I pad my rotation a litle bit with Corruption and more attention to positioning. |
| 18:52.19 | Cloudwolf | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=102734.30 |
| 18:52.19 | DWSR | gliterati: That's what enchant I'm talking about. |
| 18:52.21 | Cloudwolf | i like this thread |
| 18:52.39 | DWSR | Dagmar: It's just so sad because sometimes I can't do top DPS because my threat blows. |
| 18:52.53 | gliterati | all new spec. |
| 18:52.54 | gliterati | ? |
| 18:53.05 | gliterati | Use: Reduces your threat to enemy targets [by 650] within 30 yards, making them less likely to attack you. <3 |
| 18:53.14 | NightHawkTheSane | DWSR: here's a tip, worry less about doing top dps, and just make sure you're alive, doing dps, and not pulling agro. if you can manage that, you |
| 18:53.21 | NightHawkTheSane | you're better than 80% of players already |
| 18:53.43 | DWSR | NHTS: staying alive, etc. has never been a problem for me. |
| 18:53.55 | gliterati | insecure competitive dpsers who dps at all costs make tanks and healers let them die. |
| 18:54.00 | gliterati | in my experience. |
| 18:54.11 | gliterati | its really fun. |
| 18:54.13 | DWSR | lol |
| 18:54.26 | DWSR | I have healers that will keep me up on trash pulls just because they know my threat's all wonky. |
| 18:54.33 | DWSR | And they know that I'm usually carrying a scrub or 2. |
| 18:54.50 | DWSR | Which reminds me, poll: What's the worst Faction Champs comp you've ever faced? |
| 18:55.02 | gliterati | cool |
| 18:55.42 | gliterati | idk.. but yesterday i killed the shammy and the rogue and the blood elf eresia dawnsinger or something didnt die, but we dismounted and ran out and the event was success/complete. |
| 18:55.45 | DWSR | Yeah. in anything but progression content I keep my PvP gear on for everything but boss fights. |
| 18:55.48 | gliterati | that was weird. |
| 18:56.04 | gliterati | lol nice |
| 18:56.06 | DWSR | gliterati: I'm talking in ToCr, not ToCh. |
| 18:56.38 | DWSR | I had spriest, disc priest, tree druid, warrior, ret pally, mage, hunter, resto sham. |
| 18:56.43 | DWSR | It fucking BLEW. |
| 18:56.53 | NightHawkTheSane | I'm going to be fairly annoyed if the UPS guy doesn't show up before I have to leave in a few hours. >< |
| 18:57.42 | gliterati | are u talking about 5man? |
| 18:58.34 | gliterati | tocr 5 is ridiculously easy. |
| 18:58.43 | gliterati | its like easier than HoS reg |
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| 19:08.36 | Fisker | i loved you Zeksie : |
| 19:08.37 | Fisker | :( |
| 19:09.11 | Zeksie | until you woke up ? |
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| 19:18.47 | Esamynn | Zeksie: nah, he just remembered the hates everyone :P |
| 19:18.59 | Esamynn | s/the/that he/ |
| 19:19.30 | Zeksie | Esamynn: ahhh, how true |
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| 19:23.18 | NightHawkTheSane | I swear, if one more piece of hardware decides to die I'm going to kill someone. |
| 19:23.53 | Esamynn | NightHawkTheSane: last I checked, human "hardware" won't function in a computer |
| 19:24.15 | Cairenn | stealthily unplugs NightHawkTheSane's video cable when his back is turned |
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| 19:26.33 | NightHawkTheSane | Cairenn: :( the monitor for this computer is what just died |
| 19:26.40 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 19:26.40 | Cairenn | sorry |
| 19:27.00 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, no worries, just a bit amusing. :P |
| 19:27.05 | Cairenn | (am I good or what?) |
| 19:27.29 | Esamynn | Cairenn: you're just plain awesome |
| 19:27.32 | NightHawkTheSane | This, of course, happens a few weeks after the video card for my mac pro died. weeeeeeee. :\ |
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| 19:27.40 | Cairenn | NightHawkTheSane: ugh |
| 19:27.47 | Cairenn | ~comfort NightHawkTheSane |
| 19:27.48 | purl | There, there, NightHawkTheSane. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 19:28.00 | NightHawkTheSane | Yeah. All I have to say is, thank god for osx screen sharing. |
| 19:28.40 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Is it still under warranty? |
| 19:28.55 | NightHawkTheSane | hahaha no. :) |
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| 19:29.21 | NightHawkTheSane | The G5 & Monitor are both >5 years old |
| 19:30.21 | Lunessa | Well, then... JUNK IT! |
| 19:32.27 | Lunessa | Of course, I only recently junked my old G3. |
| 19:32.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Psh. I still have my old beige g3/266. |
| 19:33.04 | NightHawkTheSane | It's not.. running.. but it -could- chugging away, with good old 10.3 |
| 19:33.20 | NightHawkTheSane | inserts another comma in there. |
| 19:33.23 | Esamynn | I have an old Apple II |
| 19:33.48 | kdtresh | i'm trying to find someone to buy my ibook g3, lol |
| 19:34.00 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I was running 8-something on it. But when the PRAM battery died and the video system started getting flakey I ditched the machine. |
| 19:35.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: ouch. :\ Yeah, mine was amazingly reliable. I'd been using it as my secondary irc/torrent/im machine up until a few years ago when I finally bought my mac pro. |
| 19:35.41 | Lunessa | Well, it had almost 10 years on it, so I can't complain that I didn't get my $3K worth. |
| 19:35.53 | NightHawkTheSane | true enough :) |
| 19:35.55 | Lopeppeppy | I have a calculator! *beam* |
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| 19:43.22 | Shirik | calculates Lopeppeppy |
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| 19:44.27 | Ackis | hey do amercians get monday off? |
| 19:44.59 | Lopeppeppy | Not all of them, but many. |
| 19:45.06 | Lopeppeppy | Depends where they work. |
| 19:45.22 | Shirik | why would you get monday off |
| 19:45.33 | Lopeppeppy | Labor day |
| 19:45.39 | Shirik | oh tihs monday |
| 19:45.39 | Ackis | Labour Day |
| 19:45.42 | Shirik | thought you meant every day |
| 19:45.43 | Shirik | and it's LABOR |
| 19:45.45 | Shirik | NOT LABOUR |
| 19:45.46 | Shirik | OK |
| 19:45.49 | Ackis | nein |
| 19:45.58 | Shirik | AMERICAN HOLIDAY == AMERICAN SPELLINGS |
| 19:46.08 | Cairenn | laboUr |
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| 19:46.18 | Ackis | Canadian Holiday == English Spellings and not bastardized american butchering |
| 19:46.19 | Ackis | lmao |
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| 19:46.31 | Cairenn | it's a Canadian holiday too :p |
| 19:46.36 | Shirik | we invented it |
| 19:46.41 | Ackis | oh hi Cairenn, how's your butt? |
| 19:46.43 | Shirik | Canadians don't invent anything |
| 19:46.44 | Ackis | kick hurt? |
| 19:46.45 | Dagmar | Keep your f**king mandatory vowel requirements to yourselves, thanks |
| 19:47.14 | Shirik | also |
| 19:47.16 | Shirik | huggles Cairenn |
| 19:47.20 | Dagmar | In America, we don't care if some of the vowels are going hungry through lack of work |
| 19:47.22 | Cairenn | huggles Shirik |
| 19:47.27 | Dagmar | Let them find jobs as consonsants. |
| 19:47.38 | Shirik | yeah, like Y did |
| 19:47.43 | Dagmar | EXACTLY |
| 19:48.12 | Dagmar | Shirik: You should be worried. I think you might be the only person ever to get that joke. |
| 19:48.31 | Shirik | I think there is no reason to worry about myself anymore |
| 19:48.36 | Ackis | grrr |
| 19:48.46 | Ackis | I clicked on a link and webclient went poof |
| 19:48.52 | Shirik | well don't click on that link |
| 19:48.59 | Cairenn | Dagmar: lots of people get that joke |
| 19:49.14 | Dagmar | I must just be telling it to the wrong people. |
| 19:49.21 | Dagmar | i.e., "The British" |
| 19:49.50 | Shirik | ok I'm gonna go head out get something to eat |
| 19:49.51 | Shirik | bbl |
| 19:50.08 | Lunessa | thinks Cairenn's butt is just fine. I mean, it looked good in jeans... |
| 19:50.18 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 19:50.35 | Cairenn | purrs at Lunessa |
| 19:50.38 | tekkub | nah it's defective |
| 19:50.41 | tekkub | it has a hole in it |
| 19:50.49 | Lunessa | Who won the "Most Photos of Cairenn" contest anyway? |
| 19:50.59 | Cairenn | tekkub: :p |
| 19:51.13 | Cairenn | Lunessa: no idea, I've only seen a handful of pics from the 'con at all |
| 19:51.18 | Cairenn | everyone is slacking this year |
| 19:51.24 | Lopeppeppy | waits for pictures too! |
| 19:51.31 | Lunessa | Most of mine didn't come out... |
| 19:51.55 | Dagmar | Everyone's scrutinizing them to make sure there's no NSFW suprises lurking this time, right? |
| 19:52.11 | Lunessa | http://s177.photobucket.com/albums/w227/matt_converse/BlizzCon%202009/ |
| 19:52.21 | Lunessa | Mine are all SFW |
| 19:52.44 | Ackis | Dagmar: NSFW surprises?!? |
| 19:52.51 | Lopeppeppy | nekkid people in the background |
| 19:53.00 | Ackis | rofl |
| 19:53.03 | Dagmar | Ackis: There was a pic of two night-elf girls in Shirik's archive from 2005 (iirc) |
| 19:53.09 | Lunessa | But the crappy camera in my Blackberry Pearl didn't work out so well. |
| 19:53.14 | Dagmar | Fake chain mail isn't as close-fitting as the real thing apparently. |
| 19:53.34 | Dagmar | I still think it says ominous things that my ex-gf spotted it almost instantaneously |
| 19:53.53 | Dagmar | I stared at the picture for a good 3-4 minutes thinking "Something's amiss here" before I realized what I was seeing |
| 19:54.20 | Arrowmaster | where is shirik's archive? |
| 19:54.27 | Ackis | lmao Arrowmaster |
| 19:54.28 | Dagmar | No idea atm |
| 19:56.57 | Cairenn | Lunessa: rotate :p |
| 19:57.15 | Cairenn | gets a kink in her neck |
| 19:57.59 | Lunessa | Cairenn: I just did a batch upload. I haven't had time to fix them all yet. |
| 19:58.06 | Cairenn | uh huh |
| 20:00.44 | Duman | bleh |
| 20:05.11 | Fisker | Cairennmen |
| 20:05.48 | End | what the hell is wrong with my net connection :( |
| 20:06.11 | Thunder_Child | lol "Save 10% and Get a Free Sony Playstation Portable with MySQL Training in California" |
| 20:07.09 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: oh wow, where do I sign up! </sarsacim> |
| 20:07.23 | Esamynn | hmm, my spelling is off today |
| 20:07.42 | Thunder_Child | my spelling is off everyday! |
| 20:08.04 | foxlit | Your spillengs are purfect! |
| 20:08.30 | Duman | ps, gmail = down/down |
| 20:08.33 | foxlit | [Evil plan status: foiled by setmetatable] |
| 20:08.36 | Duman | even their intneral email is broken |
| 20:09.25 | Thunder_Child | thanks for the heads up Duman, i was just looking at that |
| 20:10.02 | Esamynn | foxlit: which evil plan? |
| 20:10.55 | foxlit | The same evil plan we hatch every night, Pinky. |
| 20:11.34 | Esamynn | foxlit: they don't hatch the same plan every night, it only the goal that doesn't change |
| 20:12.14 | Dagmar | trying to take over Tarren Mill |
| 20:12.14 | Duman | http://mail.google.com/support/ |
| 20:12.14 | foxlit | That's where my allusion breaks down, I'm afraid :( |
| 20:12.52 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, excellent, Duman. |
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| 20:13.12 | Lopeppeppy | I'm still listed as online for gtalk though. *laugh* |
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| 20:27.40 | Lopeppeppy | ttfn, everypeople. |
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| 20:41.14 | NightHawkTheSane | ~pil |
| 20:41.14 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
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| 20:57.15 | DWSR | NHTS: Which version of Lua does WoW use? 5.1? |
| 21:02.37 | durcyn | originaly 5.0, should be 5.1 as of what.. 2.4 or so? |
| 21:05.09 | Thunder_Child | i think someone mentioned that the beta used 40 |
| 21:05.13 | Thunder_Child | 4.0* |
| 21:06.12 | Lunessa | Currently the client uses 5.1 :) |
| 21:11.17 | Ackis | Kaelten: you can access your Gmail just fine (including reading and sending) through iGoogle. |
| 21:11.21 | Ackis | :P |
| 21:13.35 | Thunder_Child | i hate igoogle |
| 21:14.03 | Thunder_Child | 3 min for an update though |
| 21:15.39 | Ackis | igoogle hates you too! |
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| 21:16.57 | Thunder_Child | "We are continuing to investigate this issue. We will provide an update by September 1, 2009 2:16:00 PM PDT detailing when we expect to resolve the problem." they lie |
| 21:17.06 | Thunder_Child | it's 2:16 |
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| 21:23.16 | Lunessa | FINALLY - It's only taken me 5 years, but I am vindicated. Our password policy is getting updated! |
| 21:23.27 | Esamynn | HAHA |
| 21:24.15 | foxlit | Will it now require at least 4.2 untypable characters? |
| 21:29.59 | NightHawkTheSane | Oh, for fucks sake. UPS says my package was delivered an hour and ten minutes ago to the "Front door". i live in an apartment complex. Package is nowhere in sight. anywhere. |
| 21:30.14 | Archegos | ng |
| 21:30.36 | Corvein | check the office |
| 21:30.52 | Corvein | ups always delivered to the office when i lived in an apt |
| 21:31.16 | NightHawkTheSane | there is no onsite office |
| 21:31.37 | Corvein | someone else got your box then |
| 21:31.42 | Corvein | your screwed |
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| 21:32.42 | Archegos | rofl... the 6 servers that are online, are fucked... lol, all are locked |
| 21:32.56 | Lopeppeppy | Happy Tuesday. |
| 21:33.13 | Archegos | Hooray arena... for fucking the game up... AGAIN :( |
| 21:33.29 | Thunder_Child | btw Lopeppeppy, i think gtalk has diff servers, thats why they are still up |
| 21:33.32 | Corvein | instanceName, instanceID, resetTime, difficulty, extend = GetSavedInstanceInfo(index) |
| 21:33.52 | Corvein | i need that for every party member |
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| 21:35.11 | Kraps | my poor server :( |
| 21:36.15 | Kraps | oh none are up |
| 21:37.20 | airtonix | lol |
| 21:37.49 | Esamynn | Archegos: why are you blaming the arena? |
| 21:37.59 | Kraps | no forums either |
| 21:38.11 | Corvein | season 7 starts today |
| 21:38.22 | Esamynn | yah? so? :P |
| 21:38.25 | Corvein | probably not as related as they would assume though |
| 21:39.22 | Corvein | i'm not saying i agree, most of the changes for season 7 were already done last week |
| 21:40.56 | Archegos | because for some reason when blizzard tests on their local servers, its not like testing on public servers, something always goes wrong |
| 21:41.30 | Corvein | oh yeah and that only happens to blizzard |
| 21:41.36 | Esamynn | totally |
| 21:41.37 | Archegos | and 9 times out of 10 when they have all day maintenance its due to new arena seasons or content |
| 21:41.55 | Lopeppeppy | Makes sense, TC |
| 21:42.17 | Archegos | not saying it only happens with blizzard, i used blizzard to define whom i was talking about |
| 21:42.19 | Corvein | damn them for giving us new stuff |
| 21:42.28 | Esamynn | ^ |
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| 21:42.58 | Archegos | no im not complaining about them giving us new stuff, its the fact that they could test it more thoroughly before they attempt to release it |
| 21:43.32 | Archegos | unless they like refunding days... im cool with that too but damn the boredom :P |
| 21:43.33 | Corvein | and then it would just have something different go wrong according to your logic stated above |
| 21:43.38 | A-KO | it's not that it's testing, it's that it takes this long to do it |
| 21:43.42 | A-KO | :P |
| 21:43.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Dev realms are kinda smaller than live realms. |
| 21:44.14 | Esamynn | lies |
| 21:44.19 | Corvein | i'd rather have refunds from the months worth of downtime ive paid for from other companies |
| 21:44.21 | A-KO | if they told people that they were going to be out for a day, most people would complain about that. Having it "out" for a few hours gives a more concrete timeframe. |
| 21:44.27 | mikma | ~lies |
| 21:44.28 | purl | the cake is a lie! |
| 21:44.28 | A-KO | Corvein: bullshit |
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| 21:44.55 | Corvein | how is that bullshit? i'm sure i've paid for literally months of downtime just to funcom |
| 21:45.07 | A-KO | Corvein: if you were under a contract with an ISP or some sort of other business service provider with 4 or 5 nine uptime guarantee, then yes, you would get money back if it was down more than that--but WoW isn't a mission critical thing to anyone playing that game. |
| 21:45.28 | A-KO | So it could be down for a week :P it's obviously not in Blizzard's best interest |
| 21:45.38 | Esamynn | A-KO: how can you say that?!?!!? WoW == Life! |
| 21:45.45 | industrial | A-KO: rediculous |
| 21:45.49 | Corvein | i'm not saying that I EXPECT a refund, i'm arguing with the other guy saying he wants a refund because he missed ONE fraking day |
| 21:45.52 | Archegos | True, and technically no one owns their account, you rent it |
| 21:45.54 | industrial | I always log in during patch days when I dont expect it |
| 21:46.00 | Gnarfoz | you're already not paying for the maintenance day, anyway |
| 21:46.00 | industrial | and I hate it that i cant play |
| 21:46.17 | Corvein | jfc call bullshit on the right person |
| 21:46.41 | A-KO | industrial: short of running a hospital mainframe application, or an application which *can* be load balanced or distributed, then you are never going to have 100% uptime |
| 21:46.48 | A-KO | this is why any company worth their shit has multiple ISP lines, etc. |
| 21:46.58 | A-KO | if one goes down, BGP updates accordingly |
| 21:47.07 | industrial | also i've been refunded days before because of downtime |
| 21:47.12 | industrial | : |
| 21:47.13 | industrial | :E |
| 21:47.33 | industrial | just for one day |
| 21:47.41 | A-KO | I think the way Blizzard handles it is probably the best way to do it. |
| 21:47.54 | A-KO | given the fact that it's a video game |
| 21:48.31 | Shirik | stabs Esamynn |
| 21:50.04 | Lopeppeppy | Owies. |
| 21:51.30 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:52.16 | Esamynn | Shirik: what!?!? :( |
| 21:54.06 | Corvein | is there a way to just look hack the code in existing addons to make one do what you want? |
| 21:54.24 | Shirik | (17:41:28) (+Esamynn) totally (17:42:20) (+Esamynn) ^ (17:44:07) (+Esamynn) lies (17:45:30) (+Esamynn) A-KO: how can you say that?!?!!? WoW == Life! |
| 21:54.30 | Shirik | Esamynn's most recent 4 statements |
| 21:55.41 | Corvein | preform av has all the UI objects I need, i just want to change the battleground references to instance id's |
| 21:56.49 | Corvein | 4 servers up btw |
| 21:56.56 | Kraps | Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at forums.worldofwarcraft.com. |
| 21:56.58 | Kraps | wow |
| 21:57.27 | Corvein | nevermind they just went back down, demon soul only one open |
| 22:00.39 | Lopeppeppy | Whaaambulance is still busy, I see. |
| 22:01.07 | Thunder_Child | waaaambulances Lopeppeppy |
| 22:01.14 | NightHawkTheSane | argh. fuck UPS. |
| 22:01.16 | Corvein | anyone know what server torrid plays on? |
| 22:01.27 | Corvein | the guy who wrote preform av? |
| 22:01.33 | Kraps | W |
| 22:01.35 | Kraps | T |
| 22:01.37 | Kraps | F |
| 22:01.38 | Kraps | http://notalwaysright.com/less-twilight-more-daylight/2418 |
| 22:02.01 | NightHawkTheSane | "We're sorry, our drivers are too fucking incompetent/lazy to actually take the thirty seconds to BUZZ your apartment. Oops." |
| 22:02.29 | kd3 | kraps; the hell? |
| 22:02.46 | Kraps | kd3: the fuck should i know? |
| 22:03.00 | kd3 | nhts; the ups driver who comes by work said this a few times: 'You can't spell stupid without UPS' |
| 22:03.20 | foxlit | It would appear that you can. |
| 22:04.35 | NightHawkTheSane | kd3: so true. |
| 22:04.44 | Kraps | lololol http://notalwaysright.com/introducing-byte-agra/2407 |
| 22:05.04 | NightHawkTheSane | UPS: "Yeah, the driver says your package was delivered. If you can't find it, it's your problem." |
| 22:05.18 | NightHawkTheSane | Amazon: "Call us after the 3rd, if you still don't have it, we'll replace it and ship it overnight for free." |
| 22:05.23 | NightHawkTheSane | I <3 amazon. |
| 22:05.24 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr! |
| 22:05.45 | NeoTron | NightHawkTheSane: well thank you ;-) |
| 22:05.59 | NightHawkTheSane | NeoTron: you work for them? :P |
| 22:06.00 | kd3 | so... what the hell happened at google such that they can't even access gmail, much less the rest of us |
| 22:06.09 | Kraps | i escared of teh rawr. amidoinitrite? |
| 22:06.55 | Arrowmaster | if you work close enough to home that its the same driver that delivers to both places you can a lot better handling at home, they deliver to businesses so often and usually have to talk to somebody when they do that theyll get to know you and you can get them to so special things for your home deliveries |
| 22:08.50 | Arrowmaster | my mom used to work just a block or two away and got the ups driver to start putting packages near the other end of our porch, which has a concrete railing around it so you cant see stuff sitting on the ground except if its by the door |
| 22:08.50 | NightHawkTheSane | I don't really consider it 'special things' to buzz my apartment. That should be SOP. Every other time i've had a package delivered, by fedex/ups/dhl, even if no sig was required, they buzzed the apartment. >< |
| 22:08.53 | Kraps | Google Mail service has already been restored for some users, and we expect a resolution for all users in the near future. Please note this time frame is an estimate and may change. |
| 22:09.25 | foxlit | You know who delivers properly? The postal service. |
| 22:09.30 | Arrowmaster | NightHawkTheSane: do you have to buzz people in to enter the building? |
| 22:09.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: yes |
| 22:09.49 | NightHawkTheSane | although i have no idea -how-, so i just go and meet them at the front door |
| 22:10.02 | Arrowmaster | yeah i can see the lazy fucks not doing the job properly there |
| 22:11.35 | Arrowmaster | my friend used to live in a building like that, when i flew out to visit him for newyears a few years ago i snuck in as the ups guy or mailman were leaving |
| 22:11.45 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:11.45 | NightHawkTheSane | What i'd really like is for UPS to just deliver my packages to the UPS store that's literally a block and a half away. |
| 22:12.00 | NightHawkTheSane | s/block and a half/half a block/ |
| 22:12.02 | Arrowmaster | he didnt have a landline phone so he couldnt buzz people in anyway, had to call his cell phone and have him run down |
| 22:12.49 | Esamynn | NightHawkTheSane: no kidding, but no, that would be too easy :P |
| 22:13.27 | Esamynn | Arrowmaster: you can get a landline for for what $10? you should have told him he was being cheap! :P |
| 22:13.38 | Esamynn | s/landline/landline phone/ |
| 22:13.55 | Esamynn | don't need to be connected to a real phone connection to work for the intercom |
| 22:14.25 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah. i've got a simple phone hooked up just for the intercom |
| 22:14.55 | Arrowmaster | it was a perty old building so i dont know it might have been broken too, i think the elevator was broken |
| 22:15.10 | NightHawkTheSane | At least the package wasn't anything desperately important. I can wait a few days for snow leopard. |
| 22:15.35 | tekkub | pfft, download it |
| 22:15.40 | tekkub | you already paid for it |
| 22:15.43 | tekkub | it's not illegal |
| 22:15.49 | NightHawkTheSane | touché, good sir. |
| 22:15.53 | foxlit | </fail> |
| 22:16.17 | foxlit | It's the illegal distribution that most people get sued for. |
| 22:16.55 | Shirik | (18:08:45) (Kraps) Google Mail service has already been restored for some users, and we expect a resolution for all users in the near future. Please note this time frame is an estimate and may change. |
| 22:16.56 | Shirik | ?? |
| 22:16.57 | foxlit | Whether you've got a license for personal use makes little difference in that case. |
| 22:17.08 | industrial | foxlit: but it's downloading, you aren't distributing |
| 22:17.12 | industrial | the uploader is |
| 22:17.16 | kdtresh | if it's p2p, you are |
| 22:17.21 | industrial | if its bittorrent |
| 22:17.35 | Kraps | Shirik: what, it was down |
| 22:17.38 | NightHawkTheSane | you can disable uploads in bt. *shrug* |
| 22:17.43 | industrial | if you are just downloading then no |
| 22:17.53 | Shirik | really>?? |
| 22:17.57 | industrial | yes |
| 22:18.03 | foxlit | And watch your downstream plummet, really. |
| 22:18.09 | kdtresh | exactly |
| 22:18.13 | Shirik | any idea why? |
| 22:18.29 | industrial | but that's irrelevant to it being illegal :> |
| 22:18.51 | Kraps | hamsters passing out? |
| 22:19.48 | kd3 | yay. more hardware upgrade issues |
| 22:19.52 | kd3 | pokes the alert again |
| 22:20.12 | Lopeppeppy | pokes kd3 back. Owies! |
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| 22:22.20 | Arrowmaster | oh what the hell, i have zsh set to not be case sensitive on tab completion but it seems the smart git add tab completion is still case sensitive |
| 22:25.01 | Arrowmaster | and i seem to have broken firefox |
| 22:25.08 | Lopeppeppy | Yay for broken firefox! |
| 22:25.13 | Lopeppeppy | How'd ya do it? |
| 22:25.47 | Arrowmaster | long pages arent scrolling, well they are but they arent, the scroll bar moves but the page doesnt update, but if i switch to a different tab and then back the page updates and is in the possition i scrolled to |
| 22:26.39 | Arrowmaster | AHAHAH |
| 22:26.55 | Arrowmaster | htop says its using 19.3% of my memory |
| 22:27.02 | Lopeppeppy | So.... restart Firefox? |
| 22:27.07 | Shirik | or delete |
| 22:27.11 | Shirik | delete firefox works too |
| 22:27.11 | Jerub | how do i find out my own Armor Penetration rating? |
| 22:27.13 | Arrowmaster | ive got 6 gigs of ram |
| 22:27.51 | NightHawkTheSane | So firefox is using like... 1.2 gigs of ram? o_0 |
| 22:28.09 | Jerub | heh, that's practically nothing for FF |
| 22:28.27 | kdtresh | so close a couple tabs of pr0n and see what happens |
| 22:28.30 | Arrowmaster | 1152M and 2013M virt |
| 22:28.54 | Jerub | hm, my realm is up, but it's misbehaving |
| 22:29.09 | Arrowmaster | all pr0n gets opened in a different firefox session running a different profile |
| 22:29.44 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 teleportd is using 2.9GB of virtual memory |
| 22:29.49 | NightHawkTheSane | not that i mind.. but thats crazy |
| 22:29.59 | Pneumatus | heh, my firefox is using an unusually low 338Mb |
| 22:30.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh man, I've found Shirik's next linux bootloader |
| 22:30.32 | kdtresh | my firefox is 123mb |
| 22:30.35 | ScytheBlade1 | grub2 has lua embedded |
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| 22:30.38 | Shirik | YES! |
| 22:30.39 | Pneumatus | peak working set of 672Mb |
| 22:30.40 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, all my processing running in 64bit are pulling >2.5gb virt |
| 22:30.44 | NightHawkTheSane | meh. |
| 22:30.56 | kdtresh | chrome about 90mb |
| 22:31.06 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, I love you |
| 22:31.10 | ScytheBlade1 | http://grub.enbug.org/LUASupport |
| 22:31.22 | tekkub | wtb adblock for saffy or chrome now! |
| 22:31.47 | tekkub | I'm almost tempted to go to chrome on mac too if user scripts work over there |
| 22:32.31 | kdtresh | only major complaint i have about chrome is that i can't access cisco callmanager with it |
| 22:32.32 | foxlit | Blackhole the annoying ad networks, np. |
| 22:32.35 | NightHawkTheSane | tekkub: if you -must- have an adblocker, pithhelmet and safariblock should both work if you switch safari to 32bit so it can load inputmanagers |
| 22:32.37 | kdtresh | because the javascript menus don't work |
| 22:32.45 | Pneumatus | yeh, if chrome gets adblock id switch |
| 22:33.13 | tekkub | NightHawkTheSane: it's not a *must* to that degree |
| 22:33.26 | tekkub | it's the userscripts I want more, honestly |
| 22:33.46 | Pneumatus | i do keep like 33 tabs open at once in FF, which doesnt help my memory use |
| 22:33.56 | NightHawkTheSane | I never really used user scripts that much. *shrug* |
| 22:34.20 | tekkub | Pneumatus: on winders I just use HOSTS to block ads, works really well :) |
| 22:34.20 | Arrowmaster | i think i had way more than 33 open |
| 22:34.35 | tekkub | NightHawkTheSane: I write lots of little tweak-fix scripts |
| 22:34.38 | Lopeppeppy | And you're surprised it eventually tanks your FF? |
| 22:34.57 | tekkub | like one for ace that makes the forum menu useful, dro the shit I don't use, move the stuff I do onto the bar |
| 22:34.58 | kdtresh | and takes up 19% of your ram? |
| 22:34.59 | Arrowmaster | actually yes since i didnt have that problem on windows |
| 22:35.29 | Arrowmaster | when i had too many open on windows it just used all my ram and started dying a horrible horrible death |
| 22:38.06 | NightHawkTheSane | Alright. I'm going to go take out my murderous nerd rage on some PCs in my D&D game. later folks. |
| 22:38.42 | Lopeppeppy | Have fun, NHTS |
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| 22:39.55 | kdtresh | egad, cenarius is borked |
| 22:41.48 | Lopeppeppy | Many are borked. |
| 22:41.53 | kdtresh | so it seems |
| 22:42.06 | Lopeppeppy | Happy Tuesday. |
| 22:44.32 | foxlit | http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=288 |
| 22:45.57 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: why so happy tuesday? |
| 22:47.13 | Lopeppeppy | It's the standard response to "omg something is down on Tuesday" |
| 22:47.13 | Kraps | pandora having problems too? |
| 22:47.23 | Kraps | :O |
| 22:47.37 | Kraps | is tuesday a down-day? |
| 22:48.04 | kdtresh | no problem for me on pandora |
| 22:48.30 | Kraps | kdtresh: the bottom window with the info? |
| 22:50.10 | kdtresh | only thing not showing up is the ad |
| 22:50.27 | kdtresh | not really doing anything with the controls, so they may not actually be responsive, but they're at least showing up |
| 22:55.07 | Duman | yeah I just had like 3 people's statuses say something about pandora being down |
| 22:55.20 | Lopeppeppy | Neat. *sigh* |
| 22:55.33 | Lopeppeppy | Well, it's the first of the month, they're bound to be overcrowded with users again. |
| 22:55.42 | Duman | school's back in session! |
| 22:55.46 | Duman | well, some are |
| 22:56.30 | Kraps | never thought of it like that peppy |
| 22:57.35 | Lopeppeppy | It's only their second month on this new system, I'm not surprised they had a crash. |
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| 23:00.26 | Kraps | i bought the subscription |
| 23:04.01 | Lopeppeppy | I've debated, but I know that another music service won their case that they shouldn't have to pay royalties, so I'm wondering how that will effect Pandora |
| 23:04.09 | ScytheBlade1 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19595072365&pageNo=5&sid=1#91 |
| 23:04.12 | ScytheBlade1 | subtle |
| 23:04.17 | ScytheBlade1 | (not server related) |
| 23:04.33 | DWSR | Anyone got any ideas on why some of the servers are down so fucking long? |
| 23:04.53 | Lopeppeppy | Because they're refusing to come back up clean? They're servers, servers do this random shit all the time. |
| 23:06.12 | Kraps | they're sentient! |
| 23:07.09 | Lopeppeppy | I am a bit of an animist, yes. |
| 23:09.10 | DWSR | Servers don't do random shit unless someone changed something. |
| 23:09.18 | DWSR | I want a free day added onto my account |
| 23:10.04 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:10.12 | airtonix | [insert oddity > your argument is invalid meme here] |
| 23:10.15 | Lopeppeppy | So go QQ about it. *shrug* Computers get snarky all the time, and Tuesdays are all about changing things on WoW servers. |
| 23:10.41 | Dolby | I want a free taco |
| 23:11.02 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh, that would be a nice dinner, Dolby. I already had a ham sammich though. |
| 23:11.36 | ScytheBlade1 | DWSR: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19595102947&pageNo=1&sid=1#10 |
| 23:11.40 | Kraps | 8 more levels to outland /sigh |
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| 23:12.23 | Lunessa | Dolby: Shoot for the moon. Free steak dinner. |
| 23:12.45 | Lopeppeppy | Mooo, baby! Only if it's extra-rare. |
| 23:12.52 | Kraps | 2) maybe they could try to have a maintenance day. Because it's not always on Tuesdays, and it's hardly ever on schedule. |
| 23:12.52 | wobin | free gold plated steak dinner? |
| 23:12.58 | Kraps | hahahahaha!!!!! |
| 23:13.46 | wobin | I assume you're qoting there, Kraps? |
| 23:13.55 | ScytheBlade1 | from the thread I linked |
| 23:13.56 | Kraps | yes |
| 23:14.09 | Lunessa | It's Ghandii 2 - He's back! And this time, it's no more Mr-Passive-Resistance! He's pissed off and hungry! "Give me a steak! Medium Rare!" |
| 23:15.14 | ScytheBlade1 | You know, for whatever reason, I never much liked steak |
| 23:15.17 | ScytheBlade1 | pork ribs though? |
| 23:15.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Pork ribs are amazing |
| 23:15.33 | wobin | nomnomnom |
| 23:15.39 | industrial | I'll go for lamb. Shoarma ftw |
| 23:15.41 | wobin | I want my babyback |
| 23:15.41 | Lopeppeppy | Crispy pork fat... |
| 23:15.55 | Lunessa | Slow cooked in a smoker, with Tennessee-style BBQ sauce? |
| 23:16.11 | wobin | also, for a completely different taste... chinese roast crackling pork |
| 23:16.57 | kdtresh | ah, that reminds me, rib cookoff this week! |
| 23:18.18 | ScytheBlade1 | bah |
| 23:18.20 | Lunessa | I'm starving. |
| 23:18.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Now I'm hungry |
| 23:18.30 | ScytheBlade1 | and I think we all have Dolby to blame |
| 23:18.51 | Lunessa | But since we're forcing a password reset on over 2000+ account at midnight, I have a crap-load of work to do before I can go home. |
| 23:19.06 | A-KO | ouch |
| 23:20.18 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, that sucks Lunessa. *hug* |
| 23:20.35 | Lopeppeppy | I had to manually add 50 people, and manually delete another 50 today. Rawr, I hate account maintenance. |
| 23:21.10 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: why blame dolby, when it's Canada's fault (or cide's) |
| 23:21.12 | bleeter | ? |
| 23:21.16 | Esamynn | ~lart bleeter |
| 23:21.17 | purl | hereby declares bleeter a troll |
| 23:21.23 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 23:21.23 | purl | Esamynn: :) |
| 23:21.42 | ScytheBlade1 | bleeter: he's the one who brought up food, with "I want a free taco" |
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| 23:23.17 | bleeter | I want free lamingtons |
| 23:23.55 | Lopeppeppy | What's that? |
| 23:24.08 | Lunessa | I can has tacos? |
| 23:26.07 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe, Lunessa. |
| 23:26.13 | bleeter | poor GMs http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19595432868&sid=1&pageNo=6#119 |
| 23:26.57 | bleeter | Lopeppeppy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:NZ_Lamington.jpg mmm lamington |
| 23:27.02 | bleeter | wobin: ^^ |
| 23:27.47 | bleeter | wobin: Ironically, Lord Lamington was known to have hated the dessert that had been named in his honour, once referring to them as "those bloody poofy woolly biscuits". |
| 23:27.52 | bleeter | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamington |
| 23:28.10 | Kraps | melodrama at its finest http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19595102947&postId=196737668921&sid=1#105 |
| 23:28.20 | Lopeppeppy | Is that like the sandwich guy? *laugh* |
| 23:29.24 | Lopeppeppy | Every freakin' Tuesday that there is actual maintenance, we get this whining. |
| 23:29.46 | Lopeppeppy | IMO, Bliz should go back to regular down-6-hours, every Tues, whether it needs it or not. Players have gotten to feeling spoiled and entitled. |
| 23:29.49 | DWSR | I was so surprised to see my server on the extended downtime list. |
| 23:30.07 | DWSR | US-Nazjatar never needs extended maintenance, never needs anything. |
| 23:30.34 | DWSR | My guild's vent has people on it and they're all like ":o BLIZZARD KNOWS WHO WE ARE! OUR SERVER ISN'T ANONYMOUS ANYMORE!" |
| 23:30.34 | Esamynn | DWSR: hardware upgrade, be happy |
| 23:30.55 | DWSR | Esamynn: Everyone in our guild was like "WE'RE ON THE LOGIN PAGE! FUCK YA!" |
| 23:31.01 | Esamynn | lol |
| 23:31.08 | ScytheBlade1 | huh, this might explain my bandwidth issues |
| 23:31.08 | bleeter | hah |
| 23:31.09 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.09 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.14 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: lol |
| 23:31.16 | DWSR | ScytheBlade1: ROFL |
| 23:31.17 | Esamynn | O_o |
| 23:31.28 | DWSR | someone's trying to brute force you |
| 23:31.31 | Esamynn | lol |
| 23:31.35 | ScytheBlade1 | too bad I don't have password based auth enabled |
| 23:31.37 | ScytheBlade1 | that's one stupid bot |
| 23:31.41 | Esamynn | haha |
| 23:31.47 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.52 | bleeter | oops |
| 23:32.03 | ScytheBlade1 | That's who it is coming /from/ |
| 23:32.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Not where it is going to |
| 23:32.11 | Esamynn | bleeter: damnit, we still need a password! |
| 23:32.11 | DWSR | lol |
| 23:32.12 | Esamynn | come back! |
| 23:32.29 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: orly? hmmm seems they have ssh working there |
| 23:32.45 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 23:32.50 | DWSR | Probably just a zombie. |
| 23:32.52 | ScytheBlade1 | It is likely another compromised machine |
| 23:32.57 | bleeter | yar |
| 23:35.00 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.00 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.20 | kd3 | _possible_? |
| 23:35.51 | ScytheBlade1 | That's actually a really stupid warning that pops up whenever the reverse DNS doesn't match the forward |
| 23:36.04 | ScytheBlade1 | You'll get that on any slightly less than perfect network |
| 23:36.15 | Esamynn | ie. any real network |
| 23:36.23 | Esamynn | or any network where you have dns aliases |
| 23:36.36 | ScytheBlade1 | My IPv4 and IPv6 networks don't give me that crap ;) |
| 23:37.07 | Ackis | hmmm do I buy gold, buy power leveling, buy a toon, or go beat my dog? :D |
| 23:37.22 | durcyn | reported |
| 23:37.25 | Ackis | :O |
| 23:37.54 | Ackis | my server is down durcyn |
| 23:37.59 | Ackis | windows 7 install failed |
| 23:38.02 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: Every time I've gotten that, it was right |
| 23:38.05 | Ackis | and I'm being mollested by a kitty cat |
| 23:38.17 | Shirik | then again I'm basically the only one whologs in |
| 23:38.56 | kd3 | the hell? a pserver ad? |
| 23:38.58 | DWSR | anyone here into house music? |
| 23:39.01 | wobin | Ackis: fail? =( |
| 23:39.33 | Lunessa | Mmmm... zombies. |
| 23:39.57 | Shirik | kd3 where |
| 23:40.03 | Jerub | zombies? |
| 23:40.06 | kd3 | on the wiki |
| 23:40.12 | kd3 | fires off a rather pissed email |
| 23:40.40 | Ackis | kd3: what's a pserver ad? |
| 23:40.45 | DWSR | private server. |
| 23:40.48 | DWSR | I'm guessing, anyway. |
| 23:40.50 | Ackis | ah |
| 23:41.03 | Ackis | I play on a private server |
| 23:41.03 | Lopeppeppy | On wow wiki? classy |
| 23:41.06 | Ackis | it's owned by blizzard |
| 23:41.09 | Ackis | keke |
| 23:41.14 | DWSR | lol |
| 23:41.15 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, stfu. :P |
| 23:41.19 | Esamynn | ~lart Ackis |
| 23:41.19 | purl | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down Ackis's throat until Ackis puts on 150lbs |
| 23:41.23 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: you're sounding like my gf tonight |
| 23:41.29 | DWSR | ~lart purl |
| 23:41.29 | purl | teaches dwsr the basics, including how to RTM |
| 23:41.33 | DWSR | nice. |
| 23:41.39 | Esamynn | ~fail DWSR |
| 23:41.40 | purl | DWSR, you Fail! |
| 23:41.43 | Lopeppeppy | Poor Ackis, so browbeaten by the women in his life. |
| 23:41.46 | DWSR | ~lart Esamynn |
| 23:41.46 | purl | raises middle finger to Esamynn |
| 23:41.57 | Esamynn | ~whaleparry DWSR |
| 23:41.58 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry DWSR's attacks. |
| 23:42.02 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: I'm getting used to it, I'm learning how to ignore her |
| 23:42.04 | Ackis | ~rlart |
| 23:42.05 | purl | does a little 'renice 20 -u Olison' |
| 23:42.16 | Esamynn | ~whaleslap Ackis |
| 23:42.17 | purl | ACTION beats Ackis upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 23:42.21 | DWSR | ~fail Esamynn |
| 23:42.22 | purl | Esamynn: FAIL! |
| 23:42.22 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, she'll just change tactics, Ackis, we're versatile. |
| 23:42.27 | Lopeppeppy | She'll train the cats to annoy you. |
| 23:42.33 | Ackis | they already do |
| 23:42.39 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: That's when I get out my boomstick. |
| 23:42.42 | Esamynn | DWSR: I'm sorry, that wasn't valid, I didn't fail :P |
| 23:42.44 | kd3 | ...train cats? |
| 23:42.46 | Ackis | ~rlart |
| 23:42.47 | purl | squishes Arrowmaster like a bug |
| 23:42.50 | Esamynn | ~bzfrag DWSR |
| 23:42.51 | purl | ACTION makes DWSR feel the effects of a shockwave |
| 23:43.03 | Lunessa | Oh fail. Our new tool for generating first-use and reset passwords is borked. |
| 23:43.04 | Esamynn | ~fishslap Ackis |
| 23:43.05 | purl | ACTION slaps Ackis up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 23:43.10 | DWSR | Esamynn: By proxy slaping, you failed. You're obviously not cool enough to do it youself. |
| 23:43.11 | Lopeppeppy | You can train cats to do what they want to do. |
| 23:43.16 | DWSR | s/ous/ours/ |
| 23:43.17 | Lopeppeppy | Ooof, Lunessa |
| 23:43.24 | DWSR | wow, regex fail. |
| 23:43.26 | DWSR | ~selfail |
| 23:43.28 | Lunessa | I will have to do them all manually until it gets fixed tomorrow. |
| 23:43.38 | Esamynn | DWSR: pfft, don't you understand, it's cooler to do it with the bot :P |
| 23:43.48 | DWSR | ~Esamynn-- |
| 23:43.53 | kd3 | meh, more like cats train their handlers. it's pathetic whenever I go to my parents' place how badly they control my father |
| 23:43.56 | kd3 | >.> |
| 23:44.01 | DWSR | kd3: lol |
| 23:44.05 | kd3 | let us out? |
| 23:44.06 | DWSR | Pets choose the owner, not the other way around |
| 23:44.07 | kd3 | let us in? |
| 23:44.11 | kd3 | feed us! |
| 23:44.14 | bleeter | kd3: any further joy with PTR yesterday? |
| 23:44.20 | Lopeppeppy | Kendra can get me to do things for her, but I've also trained her a bit. |
| 23:44.21 | kd3 | neg. I'm getting the black screen too |
| 23:44.30 | kd3 | works ok in d3d |
| 23:44.35 | kd3 | is thoroughly annoyed |
| 23:44.41 | bleeter | ain't tried the ATI driver, will pull it out shortly |
| 23:44.57 | bleeter | it's never been a 'nice' picture that it rendered, being the full open source stuff, but it was never totally black |
| 23:45.09 | bleeter | it *might* give some ideas |
| 23:45.19 | kd3 | though my mouse pointer is a nice solid shade of gray instead of the hand... |
| 23:46.00 | bleeter | if we could get a changelist out of Blizz of what went in... hahahaha |
| 23:46.06 | DWSR | kd3: wow on wine? |
| 23:46.10 | kd3 | the ptr |
| 23:46.18 | bleeter | DWSR: yeah, at least on nVidia the PTR is totally black |
| 23:46.34 | DWSR | that's whyi have windoze. |
| 23:46.34 | bleeter | like... a black cat at night walking in front of a black car type black |
| 23:46.40 | DWSR | lol |
| 23:46.46 | DWSR | Headlights on or no? |
| 23:46.49 | bleeter | *moonless |
| 23:46.54 | kd3 | it's usually fine... I'm donig some poking to see what got broken |
| 23:47.18 | DWSR | that's what she said. |
| 23:47.31 | kd3 | oh fail. I logged out in dalaran. this is going to be painful |
| 23:47.47 | DWSR | lol |
| 23:47.54 | DWSR | I always log out in the bank in Dal. |
| 23:47.59 | DWSR | loads way better. |
| 23:49.38 | ScytheBlade1 | So I have 124 valor tokens. Can I convert them into a newer token, or no? |
| 23:49.51 | Lopeppeppy | Ouch, very fail kd3, I'm sorry |
| 23:50.02 | DWSR | sb1: no. |
| 23:50.08 | Esamynn | nope, can't convert up |
| 23:50.09 | Esamynn | period |
| 23:50.15 | DWSR | only thing valour is good for is buying gems or heirlooms. |
| 23:50.16 | ScytheBlade1 | asdf |
| 23:50.34 | Esamynn | fdsa |
| 23:50.47 | airtonix | kd3, using ati on linux is your problem |
| 23:50.57 | kd3 | good thing I'm using nvidia then |
| 23:51.26 | airtonix | indeed |
| 23:51.34 | *** join/#wowuidev calrik_ (n=calrik@dsl-220-235-4-66.wa.westnet.com.au) |
| 23:52.15 | wobin | NightHawkTheSane: buying gems is at least relatively good conversion |
| 23:52.23 | ScytheBlade1 | You know, the directx provided shadows actually look pretty terrible |
| 23:52.38 | wobin | also.. who decided -this- was a worthwhile invention? http://cgi.ebay.com.au/NWT-CROCS-Mammoth-Fur-lined-Khaki-Tan-Boys-Girls-10-11_W0QQitemZ120462599889QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c0c2166d1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 |
| 23:53.58 | DWSR | only an aussie. |
| 23:54.42 | Lopeppeppy | I want usb powered handwarmers for my office, it was only 60 in there today. Brrrr |
| 23:56.38 | Thunder_Child | *wimper* i want 60 |
| 23:56.43 | Thunder_Child | whimper* |
| 23:57.04 | Thunder_Child | it's about 90 here atm |
| 23:57.25 | Lopeppeppy | It's in the 70's outdoors. That's why 60 is way too cold for my office. |
| 23:57.26 | Esamynn | why 60? |
| 23:58.02 | Kraps | i hope this is a troll http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19595102947&sid=1&pageNo=7#122 |
| 23:58.25 | Dagmar | Hm... Looks like it was posted to the forums, so... probably a troll. |
| 23:58.46 | Gnarfoz | xchat or irssi, one of them needs a Failenheit to Celsius converter for select channels. :\ |
| 23:59.28 | Esamynn | Gnarfoz: I've learned to do the conversion in my head, more or less |
| 23:59.37 | Dagmar | Kraps: It's probably not a troll so much as it is a slightly different breed of poster... i.e., "A moron" |
| 23:59.55 | Dagmar | Kraps: His argument is utterly meritless. |
| 23:59.56 | bleeter | Kraps: yeah what Dagmar said |
| 23:59.57 | Thunder_Child | i need a LoL/HoN comparison |
