| 00:00.12 | MentalPower | personally I would add consolas as the first option, but that's just me |
| 00:00.14 | Kraps | oh you cany |
| 00:00.16 | Arrowmaster | i should see if i can fuck with fontconfig and make DejaVu an alias of Bitstream Vera |
| 00:00.17 | Kraps | cant |
| 00:00.21 | Kraps | my bad |
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| 00:01.10 | Arrowmaster | MentalPower: well i dont have consolas on this computer since its not windows, but i fucking hate consolas for other reasons, like its designed to only look good with clearfont enabled and looks like ass with clearfont disabled |
| 00:01.26 | Archegos | does anyone have a good page to goto concerning masking elements that fall outside the region of a parent frame? |
| 00:01.43 | MentalPower | well, clearrfont (or equivalent) should be standard, does Linux not have sub-pixel rendering? |
| 00:01.46 | bleeter | Shirik: http://bleeter.pastey.net/124336 << that's how! :P |
| 00:02.00 | Arrowmaster | MentalPower: it does but i dont like sub pixel rendering at all |
| 00:02.14 | MentalPower | Archegos: masking in what sense, textures or mouse events? |
| 00:02.19 | Arrowmaster | i like my fonts black, not black with colored edges |
| 00:02.35 | bleeter | ~failrik |
| 00:02.36 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 00:02.39 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: technical reasons or personally against it? |
| 00:03.00 | Archegos | textures, I have a rotating texture that should only have the portion of it that falls within the parent frame rendered, anything else should not be rendered for that texture |
| 00:03.07 | Arrowmaster | MentalPower: personally against the entire technical design of it |
| 00:03.27 | MentalPower | I can barely see the colored edges myself, but w/e |
| 00:03.38 | MentalPower | lemme see if I can find the CSS for that page |
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| 00:04.27 | Archegos | i think my first obstacle is figuring out what that would be called, all searches returned 0 results with the terms i was using |
| 00:04.31 | MentalPower | Archegos: afaik, texture masking is not supported, except if they're round, in that case you can hack around it using the portrait system |
| 00:06.38 | Archegos | well, here's what I'm trying to achieve... I have a half arc that will represent the players health. I was attempting to have it rotate CCW as the player lost health, ending at its 180 degree rotation at 0 hp, but when it does that, it doesnt clip off so the bar just looks like its rotating, not shrinking |
| 00:07.48 | Archegos | would it be possible to do percentile images and swap them in and out based on player health? like using lots of images to achieve the effect? |
| 00:08.53 | MentalPower | you're looking for HUD mods |
| 00:09.45 | MentalPower | I never investigated how they do what they do, but search for that term on wowi or curse and you'll see tons of examples |
| 00:09.54 | MentalPower | dissect one to find their secrets, but do *not* copy-paste code from them |
| 00:09.59 | Archegos | never |
| 00:10.09 | Archegos | i code for a living, i enjoy writing homebrew |
| 00:10.17 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: check now, I think I touched the right file |
| 00:10.53 | MentalPower | nop I didn't diff server, one sec |
| 00:11.23 | mikma | ttp://www.riemurasia.net/jylppy/media.php?id=58740&c=5&o=s&suurennos |
| 00:12.13 | LordVashtal | ugh, the lvl15-20 hump is a killer... |
| 00:12.13 | Kraps | http://notalwaysright.com/the-offend-o-bot-3000-strikes-again/2105 |
| 00:12.21 | Kraps | laters |
| 00:12.27 | Adys | Some asshole here is suggesting "netscape" as an alternative to google chrome |
| 00:12.32 | Adys | Should I ban him. |
| 00:12.44 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: now check, I edited the file on the correct server this time |
| 00:13.04 | MentalPower | Adys: what definition of "here" are you using? |
| 00:13.07 | Arrowmaster | MentalPower: its readable now |
| 00:13.11 | Adys | mmoc forums |
| 00:13.13 | Archegos | i tried google chrome back in its early beta, definitely a web designers tool of choice :( |
| 00:13.32 | Archegos | not* |
| 00:13.44 | Adys | yeah, back in its early beta |
| 00:13.50 | Adys | it's up to version 4 now |
| 00:14.24 | Archegos | i design for safari now which means if i get it looking right in there it looks right in IE8 and FF |
| 00:14.26 | Adys | I got addons, and the webkit devtools are a very good replacement for firebug |
| 00:14.44 | Adys | (they suck a bit more on dom, but a lot less on js) |
| 00:15.27 | Arrowmaster | MentalPower: completely unreadable on my windows box, cleartype only fonts dont mix with RDP |
| 00:16.23 | Dagmar | Huh |
| 00:16.29 | Dagmar | Cleartype-only fonts? |
| 00:16.36 | Dagmar | How the hell does one accomplish that? |
| 00:16.38 | Arrowmaster | they 'vista' fonts |
| 00:16.58 | Dagmar | Yeah but unless they've decided to turn the fonts inside out, that's not a function of the font file |
| 00:17.01 | the-golem | Consolas is one |
| 00:17.11 | Arrowmaster | they make fonts while only being concerned with how they look with cleartype and dont give a fuck how they look without cleartype |
| 00:17.26 | Dagmar | Did they distribute jacked-up TTFs that are just full of bitmaps, pre-anti-aliased? |
| 00:17.40 | the-golem | exactly, they're designed "with Cleartype in mind" or some crap. Looks aweful w/o it turned on |
| 00:17.57 | MentalPower | nop, they tweaked the hints so much that without cleartype, they do weird things |
| 00:18.00 | Arrowmaster | no they seriously never put any effort at all into how the fonts look without cleartype |
| 00:18.06 | Dagmar | Well, cleartype is basically just anti-aliasing, man |
| 00:18.32 | Dagmar | ...that and a smidge of "jog the lines left or right a bit for neat pixelizations" |
| 00:18.36 | MentalPower | the effect cannot be described, just go to a windows box and turn off cleartype |
| 00:18.41 | Dagmar | ...but that's all TrueType markup |
| 00:18.45 | the-golem | tell that to them |
| 00:18.57 | Dagmar | Oi. Dropline GNOME user here. |
| 00:19.06 | Dagmar | I know what they look like without Microsoft's ClearType |
| 00:19.21 | Dagmar | I suspect the issue is likely that cleartype is screwing up when you're on a remote display |
| 00:19.38 | Arrowmaster | cleartype is disabled |
| 00:19.56 | Dagmar | You know how you have to set your display so that Cleartype knows if it's pixel order is RGB or GBR and so on? |
| 00:20.02 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 00:20.05 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: it was courier-new beforehand, I don't think I want to do leave it with that by default when the majority of users will appreciate a better font |
| 00:20.08 | Dagmar | Ah then you're just looking at crappy truetype fonts at a bad res. :) |
| 00:20.24 | MentalPower | aye |
| 00:20.37 | Arrowmaster | MentalPower: then stick consolas right before courier-new and not at the very beginning |
| 00:20.41 | Dagmar | Courier New has always looked a bit jacked up at small (i.e., usable for engineers) point sizes |
| 00:21.04 | MentalPower | the perfect size for consolas is 11 IMO |
| 00:21.27 | Dagmar | Stroke size is probably 1 or 2 px wide at that size |
| 00:22.02 | Dagmar | Fixing Folkard so that I have "proper" zone text has given me an appreciation for the minutae of diddling fonts |
| 00:22.17 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: done |
| 00:22.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Hm, is there a way to make a mounted SMB and/or AFP volume have a different name in OSX? |
| 00:22.54 | Dagmar | AFP? |
| 00:22.57 | Dagmar | SMB is definitely a no |
| 00:23.19 | MentalPower | Apple's share format thingy |
| 00:23.25 | NightHawkTheSane | AFP is apple file protocol |
| 00:23.33 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 00:24.06 | NightHawkTheSane | bleh. mounting my home folder from two different computers, which both have the same name (same login name) is obnoxious |
| 00:24.07 | Dagmar | You can't mount it where you want it? |
| 00:24.12 | MentalPower | Arrowmaster: good enough? |
| 00:24.22 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Some people would see that as a feature |
| 00:24.49 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: in osx it shows up as a mounted volume, on the desktop. So I end up with two volumes with the same name. >< |
| 00:24.56 | Dagmar | I was under the impression you could attach mounts to the filesystem any old place in OSX like you could in LInux |
| 00:25.12 | Dagmar | Oh the vanity name should be changeable |
| 00:25.24 | NightHawkTheSane | hm. not precisely sure, but by default osx mounts it under /Volumes |
| 00:25.36 | Dagmar | It's supposedly (I don't have a Mac I just pester former Linux geeks who are using them) keyed to the filesystem UID like in Linux |
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| 00:29.18 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: You can't meta-click the thing and rename it? |
| 00:29.35 | Arrowmaster | http://arrowmaster.net/consolas_rdp.png |
| 00:29.49 | NightHawkTheSane | in osx? not that i can see |
| 00:30.01 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 00:30.24 | Arrowmaster | linux rdping to xp, subpixel/clearfont disabled in both |
| 00:30.32 | Arrowmaster | cleartype |
| 00:30.36 | Arrowmaster | MentalPower: ^^ |
| 00:31.15 | Arrowmaster | and yes i refreshed on windows, its readable now |
| 00:31.28 | Dagmar | Yeah that's pretty much what that font is going to look like without anti-aliasing |
| 00:31.39 | Dagmar | "crap" |
| 00:31.50 | Arrowmaster | its fucking tiny too |
| 00:32.13 | Arrowmaster | is Monaco one of the mac fonts? |
| 00:32.23 | tlund | Arrowmaster: what WM is that? |
| 00:32.41 | Dagmar | BlackBox? |
| 00:32.45 | Arrowmaster | tlund: in windows, bblean (bb4win) |
| 00:32.52 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: Monaco comes default with osx yes. |
| 00:34.24 | tlund | thanks |
| 00:34.43 | Arrowmaster | yeah i thought the name sounded familiar, i think its part of the font family ckknight tried to use on wowace, but as an exclusive font not as one in a list of fonts |
| 00:35.59 | Arrowmaster | tlund: thats my custom blackbox theme i created and have been using on xp for 5 years |
| 00:36.15 | Dagmar | For that you rock |
| 00:36.24 | Arrowmaster | you like it? |
| 00:36.31 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm |
| 00:36.41 | NightHawkTheSane | idly considers doing a clean install of snow leapord. |
| 00:37.10 | tlund | Arrowmaster: looks nice and clean, yes :) |
| 00:38.01 | Dagmar | Not many people throw out the XP interface |
| 00:38.16 | Arrowmaster | i usually got a lot of questions about it at lan partys, ive got the edgemenu plugin too and launch everything by either right clicking on the desktop or moving the cursor to the screen edge and right clicking |
| 00:38.43 | tekkub | <3 launchbar |
| 00:38.51 | Dagmar | I suppose that's one good way to eliminate the "explorer.exe clearly segfaults and then pretends nothing happened as it redraws the entire screen" issue |
| 00:38.53 | NightHawkTheSane | <3 qs ;) |
| 00:39.41 | Arrowmaster | yeah i still used explorer.exe but just as a file browser so killing it didnt have any issues |
| 00:40.04 | Arrowmaster | but bb4win is perty outdated now and has its own issues |
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| 00:40.42 | Arrowmaster | blackbox tends to die if a process hangs and you try to open the taskbar menu for it |
| 00:42.00 | Arrowmaster | it also doesnt support unicode at all so title bars just had ?'s in them for any multibyte characters |
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| 00:50.14 | ScytheBlade1 | holy crap |
| 00:50.26 | ScytheBlade1 | WoW works under fedora-provided wine with the stock intel drivers |
| 00:51.26 | Arrowmaster | it also works under debian with nvidia drivers from unstable and wine from unstable |
| 00:52.02 | Arrowmaster | i went through hell to get the right package combination of stuff from unstable to get it working but it does |
| 00:52.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Mostly I'm surprised at how little effort this took |
| 00:53.08 | Arrowmaster | but that was only because im using amd64 and theres been some changes in debian testing/unstable with how 32bit stuff is handled on 64bit systems |
| 00:54.09 | bleeter | WobWork: <Crack a tinny raiderz> |
| 00:54.30 | kd3__ | rofl. I get home just as the station/shuttle |
| 00:54.33 | kd3__ | dock* |
| 00:56.28 | Shirik | hi ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:56.38 | Shirik | I have a new hatred towards ubuntu |
| 00:56.57 | kd3 | you and everyone else... what now? |
| 00:57.21 | Shirik | now |
| 00:57.23 | Shirik | we destroy it |
| 00:57.38 | ScytheBlade1 | ^^ |
| 00:58.02 | Shirik | I'm hungry |
| 00:58.04 | Shirik | but don't know what to make |
| 00:58.13 | Shirik | so I may default to wheat thins and ice cream |
| 00:58.53 | Arrowmaster | i have a hatred towards all things not debian, and especially all things that defile the good name of debian such as ubuntu |
| 00:58.55 | Dagmar | You just need to add bacon. |
| 00:59.00 | Dagmar | THen you'll have meat, dairy, and bread |
| 00:59.48 | Shirik | gentoo > debian |
| 01:00.06 | Arrowmaster | ok i dont know if i could actually use this for long periods but this dodge animation on focus in compiz is cool |
| 01:00.28 | kd3 | there's a lot of cool crap in compiz that's just there to awe people looking over your shoulder/for screenshots |
| 01:00.36 | kd3 | I turn nigh all of it off when it's just me |
| 01:00.44 | Dagmar | not me. |
| 01:00.48 | Arrowmaster | yeah i know, i hate the woobly windows thing that you see in every damn video |
| 01:00.53 | Dagmar | Transient windows *should* disappear in a puff of flame and smoke, always. |
| 01:01.16 | Arrowmaster | the cube is cool though |
| 01:01.17 | Dagmar | Those and tooltips, both |
| 01:01.19 | Arrowmaster | i like the cube |
| 01:01.21 | Shirik | btw |
| 01:01.24 | Shirik | publix is evil |
| 01:01.38 | Shirik | like everything that was "buy one get one free" was the family size ones |
| 01:01.38 | kd3 | <3s the public bakery |
| 01:01.43 | Dagmar | They put precooked bacon in between you and the vegetable aisle? |
| 01:01.48 | Shirik | and like EVERYTHING was buy one get one free |
| 01:01.53 | Shirik | so it was like "ooh good deal" |
| 01:01.54 | kd3 | s/lic/lix/ |
| 01:01.55 | Shirik | over and over again |
| 01:02.09 | Shirik | and now I have way too much food |
| 01:02.19 | Shirik | like wtf am I going to do with 2x family size crunch berries |
| 01:02.22 | kd3 | this is why we don't go shopping hungry |
| 01:02.26 | Dagmar | Heheheh |
| 01:02.28 | Dagmar | Exactly. |
| 01:02.29 | Shirik | I would have enough trouble eating one |
| 01:02.46 | Dagmar | If I don't eat before going to the grocers I come back with like fifty dollars in snacks alone |
| 01:02.48 | Arrowmaster | im still not sure how i want my linux desktop setup, right now im mucking around with gnome+compiz+awm |
| 01:03.08 | Shirik | I should kick you for saying gnome |
| 01:03.15 | kd3 | meh, xfce <3 |
| 01:03.37 | Jerub | but.. bacon is a vegitable. |
| 01:03.49 | ScytheBlade1 | bacon is a food group unto itself |
| 01:04.12 | Shirik | http://www.baconnaise.com/ |
| 01:04.57 | Jerub | anyone got any other suggestions for feral drood addons? I've tried badkitty and it's a bit raw. |
| 01:05.04 | Arrowmaster | kd3: any idea how i can turn the system beep into playing a sound file instead of the generated beep? ive seen that pulse audio can do it but i dont want pulse audio |
| 01:05.30 | kd3 | look at how kde does it? it's not so married to pulse |
| 01:05.34 | kd3 | still doesn't get the pulse hate |
| 01:05.38 | kd3 | works fine, no lag... |
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| 01:06.22 | Adys | Arrowmaster: Im trying since a few months to get my fucking beep back |
| 01:06.54 | Dagmar | You can do GNOME without Pulse |
| 01:06.55 | Arrowmaster | i found all kinda places to disable it |
| 01:07.12 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: debian comes with gnome without pulse by default |
| 01:07.33 | Dagmar | Well, the alternative was esd, which wasn't any better |
| 01:07.40 | kd3 | esd? ick |
| 01:07.49 | Arrowmaster | im just using alsa |
| 01:07.54 | Dagmar | Same here |
| 01:08.14 | Dagmar | If your sound card doesn't suck and can mux streams on it's own, you don't really need esd or pulse |
| 01:08.17 | Shirik | Adys |
| 01:08.20 | Shirik | Adys |
| 01:08.21 | Shirik | Adys |
| 01:08.27 | Shirik | are you getting beeps now? |
| 01:09.14 | Seerah | I guess not :p |
| 01:09.34 | Adys | Im not |
| 01:09.45 | Shirik | oh well |
| 01:09.47 | Shirik | computer broke |
| 01:09.49 | Shirik | get a new one |
| 01:09.56 | Adys | No |
| 01:10.11 | Adys | the beep works fine |
| 01:10.15 | Shirik | While I was working at Geek Squad I encountered someone who insisted on buying a new computer because she got some viruses |
| 01:10.16 | Arrowmaster | still wondering if my onboard intel hd sound has a digital in, the board doesnt seem to have a digital in connection but it still might be possible |
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| 01:18.11 | Shirik | waves at Iriel |
| 01:18.24 | Cairenn | huggles Iriel |
| 01:19.33 | Iriel | lop |
| 01:19.37 | Iriel | lo even |
| 01:19.57 | Aqua | Anyone know a good enhancement leveling guild? |
| 01:20.05 | Adys | <Fifty DKP> |
| 01:20.16 | LordVashtal | more dots, more dots |
| 01:20.24 | Shirik | enhancement....leveling....guild? |
| 01:20.32 | Aqua | *build is what i meant |
| 01:20.34 | Aqua | sorry just woke up |
| 01:21.12 | LordVashtal | yeah, grinding Lua is difficult, and the pugs are awful |
| 01:29.15 | Shirik | how to know you need to back off of saving money on groceries: |
| 01:29.30 | Shirik | You have "Dora the Explorer" paper bowls in your apartment |
| 01:29.37 | Seerah | lol |
| 01:30.14 | Seerah | were they out out of the cheapo white ones? |
| 01:30.57 | Shirik | I don't know |
| 01:31.01 | Shirik | I really have no idea why I have these |
| 01:31.08 | Codayus | You like Dora the Explorer? |
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| 01:37.13 | Jerub | children? |
| 01:52.59 | Ackis | alert |
| 01:53.06 | Ackis | I am the crazy cat troll |
| 01:53.09 | Ackis | I now own a 4th cat |
| 01:53.25 | LordVashtal | nah, that's not crazy |
| 01:53.40 | LordVashtal | crazy would be building a mod that periodically brings them out and starts emoting with them in game |
| 01:53.53 | kd3 | don't give him ideas |
| 01:54.42 | Yssaril | Ackis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHXBL6bzAR4 |
| 01:54.44 | Adys | They should really prevent addons from doing emotes |
| 01:55.56 | LordVashtal | what's sad is that i'm mentally building that mod in my head right now. figuring out the xml, deciding if it's worth putting it on a timer or if the emotes can be generated with string replacements for extra modularity |
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| 01:59.27 | Ackis | ~lart kd3 |
| 01:59.28 | purl | puts kd3 into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of kd3's hair of |
| 02:00.38 | Torhal | I was in a PUG OS-25 one night with a hunter who was CONSTANTLY emoting about his pet cat. |
| 02:00.54 | Torhal | I wanted to kill him. Nobody said a word about it, either. |
| 02:01.59 | Ackis | Torhal: We're naming this cat Nelly or Neffy for short... after Neltharion or Nefarion, we aren't sure which yet |
| 02:02.50 | Torhal | Ackis: Name it Nerfy, then e-mail it to Ghostcrawler. |
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| 02:06.04 | Ackis | lol |
| 02:09.08 | tekkub | Nelfy? |
| 02:09.12 | tekkub | Nefly! |
| 02:10.08 | Shirik | Netbeans you fail me!! |
| 02:10.22 | Shirik | evil code completion doesn't even know the rules of C++ |
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| 02:21.20 | Ackis | why isn't grunty BoA? |
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| 02:26.28 | NightHawkTheSane | you get him on every character you have/make, why does he need to be? |
| 02:29.12 | Jerub | for a druid, how does SR proc with dots? If I start a dot then hit SR, does the dot damage increase? |
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| 02:32.48 | kd3 | no |
| 02:34.07 | tekkub | I love being an ass... |
| 02:34.24 | tekkub | ex-roomie: "OMG OMG we finally downed yogg" |
| 02:34.24 | NightHawkTheSane | no, you just love ass. |
| 02:34.27 | tekkub | me: "k" |
| 02:34.34 | tekkub | now he's pissed at me |
| 02:40.23 | Cloudwolf | >.> wtb more gms..... |
| 02:41.12 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm sure they wtb less tickets |
| 02:41.23 | Cloudwolf | then they should addict less clients |
| 02:41.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Or get smarter customers! |
| 02:41.57 | LordVashtal | or they ban more. 'you've got a problem? <Ban>' |
| 02:42.26 | LordVashtal | that'd work 2 fold. not only would they have less tickets, they'd eventually have less people to make tickets! it's win-win! |
| 02:42.51 | Cloudwolf | sorry this was the improper use of the ticket system "ban" |
| 02:43.45 | LordVashtal | 'oh, the zepplin from org to borean tundra inexplicibly dropped you off high above stonetalon mountains with your corpse in thunderbluff? ban' |
| 02:46.35 | Cloudwolf | "oh you wer eon the turtle boat and died of fatigue and your corpse is now at the correct destination but you ended up with your release spirit all the way back at the boats start? Ban" |
| 02:47.08 | Cloudwolf | true story of a friend btw |
| 02:47.20 | Cloudwolf | besides the ban |
| 02:47.52 | LordVashtal | the zepp thing happened to me shortly after Wrath released (minus ban, of course). twice, in fact. made me VERY hesitant to go back to old world if i could help it for a good couple of months |
| 02:49.20 | LordVashtal | that's a long friggin jaunt to your body (don't remember why i didn't spirit res). all the way out of stonetalon, then through the barrens, then all the way back north of mulgore to get my damn body |
| 02:51.08 | Cloudwolf | heh my friend died of fatigue on a boat just randomly >.> |
| 02:52.37 | Cloudwolf | his corpse just kept goign and this was before he had defrosting your wings |
| 02:53.22 | LordVashtal | that made me chuckle. like the game was working against you or something, playing keep away |
| 02:54.14 | Cloudwolf | he siad htat in guild and we all basicaly started laughing |
| 02:54.39 | Cloudwolf | and my guildy just informed me the last time he contacted a gm it took him 6 freakin days for a response?! |
| 02:54.47 | LordVashtal | >.< |
| 02:55.00 | Cloudwolf | 6 DAYS!? i can picture that convo |
| 02:55.40 | sylvanaar | you just make the ticket, then close it in-game. works like email |
| 02:55.43 | ScytheBlade1 | escalated ticket |
| 02:55.45 | Cloudwolf | "Sorry for the wait" "Oh i didn't realize i sitll ahd this ticket open" "Any way what can i do for you" "Yeah well it was just a small glitch in my loot i ended up hearthing and forgetting about it no big deal it was only a rare boe world drop." |
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| 03:06.48 | Kraps | i think ill play wc3 for a change |
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| 03:09.35 | Cloudwolf | stupid 1 hour cooldown on super simian sphere |
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| 03:10.21 | Cloudwolf | it gives me no stats it uses a trinekt spot to use it why does it have a 1 hour cooldown! |
| 03:10.34 | Cloudwolf | or better yet why does it use a trinket spot XD |
| 03:16.33 | Kraps | con someone explain upkeep in wc3 to me? |
| 03:16.41 | Kraps | s/con/can/ |
| 03:17.42 | kd3 | it's just a resource sink when you build enough units |
| 03:18.08 | kd3 | a way to keep you from maxing out the units on the field because after a point, most of what you collect you can't use |
| 03:18.38 | Kraps | hmm |
| 03:19.00 | Cloudwolf | i dont think ive ever truely noticed upkeep taking a toll of anything |
| 03:19.28 | Cloudwolf | then again i allways hated melee games |
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| 03:35.15 | Jerub | so, how hard is it to make a button in wow that does a) mangle if the target doens't have the mangle debuff, or b) shred? |
| 03:35.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Impossible |
| 03:35.31 | Jerub | is it? okay. |
| 03:35.40 | Adys | what's the str.upper function in lua again? |
| 03:36.32 | Cloudwolf | ugh i dont want to go back through this book to find the name of the philospher/philisophy i disagree with >.< |
| 03:48.08 | Adys | is there an exact way to know which item or npc Im looting? |
| 03:48.39 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 03:48.43 | Adys | more specifically, is there a way to know whether Im looting an item, chest or a npc |
| 03:49.32 | Cloudwolf | seems like there might be a way to do that |
| 03:49.38 | Cloudwolf | as a chest has a channel time |
| 03:49.56 | Adys | no, i dont care specifically about chests, objects in general |
| 03:50.01 | Adys | some quest objects dont have a channel time |
| 03:50.36 | Adys | get UnitGUID("loot") |
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| 03:52.14 | Jerub | ScytheBlade1: hey, what's the specific reason i can't do what i asked? |
| 03:53.15 | ScytheBlade1 | That kind of logic is against designer intentions |
| 03:53.20 | Gnarfoz | because you can only use the conditionals blizzard offers to make choices that affect spellcasts |
| 03:53.41 | ScytheBlade1 | They don't want you conditionally casting based on debuffs/buffs, health, mana, spell cooldowns, etc |
| 03:53.47 | Jerub | oh blizzard doesn't want me to. |
| 03:53.49 | Jerub | that's fine :) |
| 03:53.51 | ScytheBlade1 | nods |
| 03:53.57 | ScytheBlade1 | That is the full extent of it |
| 03:53.58 | Gnarfoz | which are... the macro options, basically (alive, dead, friendly, hostile, modifier keys, etc) |
| 03:54.00 | Adys | they dont want you to play with one button, to be more specific |
| 03:54.58 | A-KO | wonder how many people actually come around looking for mods that do that :P |
| 03:55.09 | Adys | macros* |
| 03:55.09 | Gnarfoz | a lot? :p |
| 03:55.17 | Adys | and a lot of ppl idd |
| 03:55.56 | Jerub | I've got BadKitty, which tells me what debuffs are up, and just working through the logic in my head, it kinda made sense to have 1 key for mangle/shred because it's a simple decision. |
| 03:56.16 | Jerub | and then all the real work is refreshing buff/debug. |
| 03:56.18 | Jerub | er debuff. |
| 03:56.41 | Jerub | but if blizz doesn't want me to have that button, i'm okay with doing that with my meatfingers instead. |
| 03:56.43 | Shadowed | Adys: you should be able to use UnitGUID("npc") for some of them |
| 03:56.48 | Gnarfoz | best you can do is put both in a macro and use a modifier key, I guess |
| 03:56.59 | Adys | Shadowed: Oh? |
| 03:57.23 | Shadowed | Adys: What are you trying to do specifically, do you just want to know "Is X a quest object that I need to record"? |
| 03:58.17 | Adys | that doesnt work |
| 03:58.21 | Adys | at least for looted npcs |
| 03:58.28 | Adys | i dont have any openable object/item around |
| 03:58.46 | Shadowed | for looted npcs, you can use LOOT_OPENED and "target" |
| 03:59.11 | Adys | yeah but that would fire when I open an object/item then, and record my target |
| 03:59.15 | Adys | i want to make the difference there |
| 03:59.32 | Shadowed | mmmm |
| 03:59.55 | Shadowed | CLEU? |
| 04:00.14 | Adys | EU? |
| 04:00.34 | Shadowed | SPELL_CAST_START fires when you start opening an object/item |
| 04:00.38 | Shadowed | or should at least |
| 04:00.48 | Adys | an object.. some of them |
| 04:00.55 | Adys | an item, im pretty sure it wont |
| 04:00.57 | Shadowed | I think you are screwed? :p |
| 04:01.02 | ScytheBlade1 | that's great, except that there are a thousand different opening spells |
| 04:01.35 | ScytheBlade1 | half of which aren't even named |
| 04:01.36 | Shadowed | Did you look at how wowhead does it yet? I would imagine they use UNIT_SPELLCAST and trickery |
| 04:01.47 | Adys | Wowhead does it hackily |
| 04:01.54 | Adys | and filters data manually |
| 04:02.29 | kd3 | zomg, hacks? nowai |
| 04:02.56 | Shadowed | I'm assuming you have to associate the object/item with the continents, you don't just want to know where the location of something for a quest is? |
| 04:03.42 | Adys | yeah i need to associate |
| 04:03.49 | Adys | I need to do what wowhead does, not the way wowhead does it: ) |
| 04:03.58 | Shadowed | haha |
| 04:04.06 | Shadowed | I don't remember any good way of doing it when I was looking into it |
| 04:04.14 | ScytheBlade1 | to my knowledge there really isn't a way to do that "accurately" |
| 04:04.19 | Shadowed | although |
| 04:04.24 | ScytheBlade1 | You can apply a bunch of hacks to work in most cases, but that is about it |
| 04:04.25 | Adys | ffs how hard is it for blizz to add a UnitGUID("loot") =/ |
| 04:04.41 | Shadowed | When you mouse over an object for a quest, it says that the object contains whats necessary for a quest? |
| 04:04.44 | Ackis | Adys: too busy working on the instances cannot be launched issue ;) |
| 04:04.53 | Adys | dont you start |
| 04:04.55 | Shadowed | in the tooltip from the new quest tracking |
| 04:04.57 | Ackis | hehe |
| 04:04.58 | Adys | and its not only quests Shadowed |
| 04:05.01 | Adys | its every object |
| 04:05.01 | Ackis | ~lart Adys |
| 04:05.01 | purl | hereby declares Adys a troll |
| 04:05.07 | Shadowed | argh :p |
| 04:05.17 | Adys | who's the troll >.> |
| 04:05.37 | Shadowed | I don't think you can do it without hackery, maybe you could pull off some magic with SPELL_CAST_SUCCESS/SPELL_CAST_START in CLEU and checking the bitFlags |
| 04:06.03 | Adys | I really dont think any SPELL* event happens when I open an item |
| 04:06.16 | Shadowed | does it need to be all objects or only objects with loot inside? |
| 04:06.28 | Adys | what's the difference? Oo |
| 04:06.48 | Adys | oh you mean like readable/usable objects? |
| 04:06.49 | Shadowed | Like say, a meeting stone |
| 04:06.51 | Shadowed | yea |
| 04:06.53 | Adys | i handle those elsewhere |
| 04:08.27 | Shadowed | Do objects even have a GUID on mouseover? |
| 04:08.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Some |
| 04:08.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Not all |
| 04:08.38 | Adys | all |
| 04:08.42 | ScytheBlade1 | really? |
| 04:08.52 | Adys | yes, every object, item, npc etc has a guid available |
| 04:09.03 | ScytheBlade1 | I know that the fires in IF do, but I thought some stuff you couldn't get at |
| 04:09.50 | Mikk | i doubt doodads have them |
| 04:09.50 | Mikk | like signs |
| 04:09.50 | Adys | they do |
| 04:09.50 | Shadowed | but he doesn't care about signs in this case though |
| 04:09.50 | Adys | thing is |
| 04:09.50 | Adys | you cant get it from every kind of unit |
| 04:09.58 | Adys | eg "npc" always works, "mouseover" does not |
| 04:10.08 | Adys | hackery hackiness in the exe |
| 04:10.21 | Mikk | so what your're saying is that you know for a fact that internally on blizzard's servers you know that everything has a unique ID |
| 04:10.24 | Mikk | well that was a safe assumption |
| 04:10.25 | ScytheBlade1 | signs don't have a GUID for me |
| 04:10.37 | Shadowed | What about on UNIT_SPELLCAST_SENT you check the mouseover GUID, if it's an object you set a flag once LOOT_OPENED fires if there was a flag set then you check the saved GUID, otherwise you check the target. If the cast is interrupted then reset the flag? |
| 04:10.38 | Adys | Mikk: the client can get it |
| 04:10.46 | Shadowed | I think you're screwed without hackery :P |
| 04:10.53 | Adys | for example |
| 04:11.05 | Adys | if all of a sudden a sign became clickable |
| 04:11.07 | Adys | you could get the guid |
| 04:12.00 | Mikk | And yeah you need loads of hackery to find out whta you're looting and there is no 100% safe way |
| 04:12.16 | Adys | so |
| 04:12.25 | Adys | whats the best way to convince blizz to add a "loot" Unit? |
| 04:12.34 | Shadowed | Religion |
| 04:12.42 | ScytheBlade1 | fly over there |
| 04:12.46 | kd3 | 'get hired and add it'? |
| 04:12.46 | ScytheBlade1 | strap bombs to your chest |
| 04:12.48 | Shadowed | bomb threat? |
| 04:12.49 | ScytheBlade1 | and walk in the front door |
| 04:13.02 | kd3 | wait, wait... don't they have bulletproof glass in the entry area? |
| 04:13.03 | Mikk | Give us the GUID as part of the LOOT_OPENED message. Tadaa. |
| 04:13.07 | Adys | this channel is now officially watched by the secret services |
| 04:13.07 | Mikk | But yeah, get hired etc |
| 04:13.20 | Shadowed | bribery |
| 04:13.36 | Adys | hmm |
| 04:13.41 | Shadowed | Bribery, Bombs, Brutality = three ways of getting something done clearly |
| 04:13.51 | Adys | any girl in this chan could do me a favour... |
| 04:14.07 | ScytheBlade1 | ... lol |
| 04:14.11 | Shadowed | Maybe secure hook the camera function thats called when the player right clicks, and keep track of the GUID through that Adys? |
| 04:14.12 | Mikk | When coding something like that, especially be smart about realizing that the player can target an NPC _AFTER_ clicking a chest |
| 04:14.13 | Cairenn | that being? |
| 04:14.23 | Shadowed | Cairenn: Seduction |
| 04:14.24 | Adys | Cairenn: Can you date a blizz employee. |
| 04:14.52 | Mikk | There's also disenchanting, milling, prospecting |
| 04:14.53 | ScytheBlade1 | ... she'd be a good choice |
| 04:14.55 | Mikk | Pickpocketing |
| 04:14.56 | ScytheBlade1 | perfect 10 and all |
| 04:15.12 | Shadowed | Right click called -> Player is mousing over an object and not casting set GUID to that and use it on LOOT_OPENED, otherwise default to target? |
| 04:15.16 | Shadowed | shrugs |
| 04:15.29 | Cairenn | Adys: meh, hell with dating one, I'll just sleep with one of them |
| 04:15.37 | Mikk | Shadowed: almost! now you need to check if the spell was interrupted! |
| 04:15.41 | kd3 | |
| 04:15.41 | ScytheBlade1 | see! |
| 04:15.54 | Adys | Cairenn: there you go! |
| 04:15.58 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 04:16.04 | Shadowed | Mikk: Well that too but that's about the best I can think of :p |
| 04:16.22 | Mikk | Yeah I certainly ended up doing something like that when I did it in my dkp addon |
| 04:16.30 | Adys | Watching over right click isn't a bad idea at all |
| 04:16.35 | Adys | but... holy hell |
| 04:16.47 | Shadowed | It's probably the cleanest solution you have |
| 04:16.51 | Mikk | Mhm |
| 04:17.03 | Mikk | Isn't there a library that does this even |
| 04:17.06 | Mikk | Talismonger or something |
| 04:17.11 | Shadowed | never heard of it |
| 04:17.31 | Shadowed | ah so there is |
| 04:17.34 | Shadowed | but it's inactive |
| 04:17.44 | Mikk | yeah but that's prolly just because it didnt need updating |
| 04:18.07 | Adys | I think I'll stick to bribing an employee |
| 04:18.25 | Mikk | Talismonger-3.0-r68978.1 Beta 2.4.313,4419/29/2008 |
| 04:18.36 | Mikk | So 13k downloads from people disembedding addons |
| 04:18.57 | Shadowed | TalisMonger does roughly what we were talking about |
| 04:19.06 | Shadowed | except it uses CURSOR_UPDATE not a secure hook |
| 04:19.07 | Mikk | unsurprisingly |
| 04:19.17 | Shadowed | it's also Ace2 |
| 04:19.21 | Mikk | erf |
| 04:19.31 | kd3 | that must mean it's super-efficient |
| 04:19.38 | Shadowed | exactly |
| 04:20.23 | ScytheBlade1 | goes looking for his picture |
| 04:20.55 | ScytheBlade1 | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw11313.png |
| 04:20.57 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 04:20.57 | Mikk | Anyway just borrow his code |
| 04:21.01 | Mikk | And you're good to go |
| 04:21.10 | Shadowed | needs more glow ScytheBlade1, maybe a lens flare too |
| 04:21.20 | ScytheBlade1 | maybe |
| 04:21.28 | Shadowed | maybe two lens flares |
| 04:22.14 | ScytheBlade1 | That's actually just the same text, layered, with the bottom layer enlarged a few pixels, rasterized, and blurred |
| 04:22.16 | Adys | Astromancer Darnarian says: There's our heroine right there! |
| 04:22.21 | Adys | I .. |
| 04:23.01 | Adys | (note: the drug and the female hero is the same word in french) |
| 04:23.56 | kd3 | is still curious as to whether or not he's a high elf or a blood elf... |
| 04:33.14 | Shirik | who the hell at Sun thought it would be a good idea to have a 32-bit program update to a 64-bit program |
| 04:33.25 | Adys | eh |
| 04:33.30 | Adys | Google just did it with chrome |
| 04:33.33 | Adys | went fine |
| 04:33.40 | Shirik | Google is a standalone application |
| 04:33.42 | Shirik | Java is not |
| 04:33.48 | Adys | [07:33:44] <@Shirik> Google is a standalone application |
| 04:33.50 | Adys | time to quote |
| 04:33.56 | Shirik | quiet |
| 04:33.58 | Shirik | you know what I mean |
| 04:34.15 | Adys | the whole point of it is bringing it out of context! |
| 04:34.30 | ScytheBlade1 | That claim is not far from someone claiming to have downloaded the entire internet |
| 04:36.51 | Shirik | nice |
| 04:37.03 | Shirik | I found a program that helps you generate a strong password |
| 04:37.13 | Shirik | my new password is ?ucugumedrujayuwruw6espas@frudrech?wenapHejucratruxe3uremede+9st |
| 04:37.14 | Adys | is it stand alone like google |
| 04:37.32 | Jerub | writes that down. |
| 04:37.46 | Adys | I dont get it |
| 04:37.49 | Shirik | Question - uniform - charlie - uniform - golf - uniform - mike - echo - delta - romeo - uniform - juliet - alpha - yankee - uniform - whiskey - romeo - uniform - whiskey - Six - echo - sierra - papa - alpha - sierra - At - foxtrot - romeo - uniform - delta - romeo - echo - charlie - hotel - Question - whiskey - echo - november - alpha - papa - HOTEL - echo - juliet - uniform - charlie - romeo - alpha - tango - rom |
| 04:37.53 | Adys | did someone spend .. |
| 04:37.54 | Adys | ok |
| 04:37.55 | Shirik | very easy to remember |
| 04:38.14 | Shirik | wtf |
| 04:38.18 | Shirik | that's not even right |
| 04:38.22 | Shirik | it should be Niner not Nine |
| 04:38.28 | Shirik | what a shitty program |
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| 04:41.25 | JackBurton | the Dalaran lag. Is that latency lag, input lag, or grahpical lag? anything i can do to mitigate the problem? |
| 04:41.36 | Adys | buy more ram |
| 04:41.45 | Adys | or |
| 04:41.47 | Adys | dont go to dalaran |
| 04:41.49 | kd3 | bitch at blizz for putting an entire continent's worth of players in 50 square yards? |
| 04:42.17 | zenzelezz | I can't remember anymore whether Shattrath was ever quite as bad |
| 04:42.18 | Jerub | :( dalaran |
| 04:42.27 | Adys | Shattrath was a lot worse |
| 04:42.29 | Jerub | this weekend i got d/c'd after hearthing. |
| 04:42.30 | Adys | for other reasons |
| 04:42.44 | Adys | shattrath ate your graphic card |
| 04:42.46 | Jerub | out of 8 hearths, 6 times i got d/c'd. |
| 04:42.47 | ccox | oh, dear, someone seems to keep spilling level 1 taurens in front on the Org AH |
| 04:42.51 | kd3 | don't run off the aldor terrace! |
| 04:42.57 | Jerub | kd3: unless you're a drood. |
| 04:42.58 | Jerub | ;) |
| 04:43.16 | Jerub | (at least try to hit flight form before you go squishy) |
| 04:43.17 | Adys | or a rogue |
| 04:43.19 | Adys | or a mage |
| 04:43.20 | Adys | or a pally |
| 04:43.26 | Adys | or a priest |
| 04:43.26 | batrick | maybe piling everyone in one city is blizz's secret to success |
| 04:43.36 | batrick | makes everyone feel like they're being social |
| 04:43.50 | kd3 | if by social you mean turning off /1 and /2... sure |
| 04:44.48 | Adys | I have to admit |
| 04:44.59 | Adys | i cant wait to see quel danas/eversong with the new water effects |
| 04:45.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah. They might update to war3 quality water |
| 04:45.47 | tekkub | new water? |
| 04:45.49 | Adys | yes |
| 04:45.53 | Adys | with reflections and shit |
| 04:45.59 | Adys | check cataclysm screenshot |
| 04:46.05 | Adys | also I dont know |
| 04:46.12 | tekkub | and no more same tile of animation reused? |
| 04:46.16 | Adys | I've actually come to kind of like burning crusade graphics |
| 04:46.17 | Adys | (yeah) |
| 04:46.34 | Adys | since I bought this additional ram and am running around with a farclip of 3500... |
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| 04:47.54 | Cruciformer | q: is thre any way I can get my raid preference to stay at 25-man like I can get my dungeon difficulty to stay at heroic? |
| 04:48.05 | Adys | No, its terrible |
| 04:48.11 | Cruciformer | it keeps on setting it back to 10-player |
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| 04:54.55 | Shirik | I'm taking this test |
| 04:55.12 | Shirik | and one of the questions is "Can you in, 15 seconds, open a command prompt?" |
| 04:55.21 | Shirik | The obvious answer is yes |
| 04:55.29 | Shirik | The sad part is the followup question also was a "yes" for me |
| 04:55.35 | Shirik | "... on your cell phone?" |
| 04:56.09 | Adys | it's not sad I think its brilliant |
| 04:56.20 | Jerub | alt-f2 xterm |
| 04:56.36 | Adys | the first thing id do on a decent cell is get a prompt running and bound somewhere easy |
| 04:56.43 | Shirik | Haha, here's a fun question |
| 04:57.03 | Shirik | Which of the following would you choose over the other (giving up the other, forever): The internet or sex? |
| 04:57.26 | Adys | theres no internet in sex |
| 04:57.26 | Arrowmaster | evil question |
| 04:57.26 | Adys | but |
| 04:57.31 | Codayus | Ah, but can you get a remote desktop session running across an ssh tunnel open on your cell? :) |
| 04:57.31 | Adys | there is a LOT of porn on the internet |
| 04:57.34 | Adys | the choice is obvious! |
| 04:58.01 | Shirik | Codayus: Would you want to o.o |
| 04:58.02 | Shirik | I can ssh |
| 04:58.06 | Adys | Codayus: if you can get a prompt running, a ssh/rdesktop session isn't hard |
| 04:58.06 | Shirik | on my cell |
| 04:58.08 | Shirik | I find that to be enough |
| 04:58.46 | Arrowmaster | Codayus: ive done it on a 266mhz p2 laptop from a highschool with 2000 students all with laptops, all sharing two T1s for internet access |
| 04:58.54 | Codayus | Pft. Haters. |
| 04:59.07 | Codayus | Arrowmaster: Laggy? |
| 04:59.10 | Arrowmaster | way |
| 04:59.18 | Adys | obviously unoptimized |
| 05:00.02 | Arrowmaster | it was actually an XDMCP session |
| 05:01.00 | Arrowmaster | and the 266mhz laptop was running windows 98 and i dont remember what X server i was using for windows |
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| 05:01.51 | Shirik | 32.2% of all test takers would choose the Internet over sex, and |
| 05:01.52 | Shirik | 26.6% of married test takers prefer the Internet over sex. |
| 05:02.40 | Arrowmaster | i hate that i would probably pick the internet |
| 05:03.04 | Arrowmaster | but i use the internet everyday, but ive been single for longer than i want to admit |
| 05:03.13 | Jerub | why is sex and internet mutually exclusive? |
| 05:03.19 | Shirik | because that was the question |
| 05:03.29 | Arrowmaster | because the test creators are evil |
| 05:03.36 | Codayus | You know, the question doesn't say how MUCH sex you'd get if you gave up the internet. ...or visa versa, either. |
| 05:03.45 | Shirik | it says zero |
| 05:03.50 | Shirik | you give it up forever |
| 05:04.03 | Codayus | Shirik: ...that's not what I said. :) |
| 05:04.33 | Shirik | "If you could only pick ONE of the following items in the next six groups, which would it be? (i.e. by picking the ONE, you can no longer have/possess the others, EVER)" |
| 05:04.41 | Shirik | oh, sorry |
| 05:04.42 | Shirik | I read it backwards |
| 05:05.43 | Codayus | I suspect many of the people taking the test would get different answers if they extropolated from recent trends versus assumed the fufillment of current hopes. :-) |
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| 05:20.22 | Shirik | does anyone else have siblings that use facebook as if they were your friend? |
| 05:20.36 | Cairenn | yes |
| 05:20.45 | Arrowmaster | dont have any siblings |
| 05:21.07 | Codayus | You aren't friends with your singling Shirik? |
| 05:21.11 | Codayus | ...sibbling |
| 05:21.17 | Codayus | How the hell did I typo that? |
| 05:21.44 | Shirik | you still got it wrong |
| 05:22.00 | Shirik | and no, he's cool and all |
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| 05:22.12 | Shirik | but it's like he uses that site as if I was supposed to go to his parties and stuff |
| 05:22.26 | Shirik | I'm not even remotely near him |
| 05:22.43 | Codayus | Clearly a cry for attention. |
| 05:22.59 | Cairenn | ah |
| 05:23.11 | Cairenn | no, my sisters don't do that to me, luckily |
| 05:23.29 | Shirik | he hasn't invited me to parties or anything |
| 05:23.41 | Shirik | but like he sends me another group request weekly if not daily |
| 05:23.53 | Shirik | I don't even check facebook maybe once every 3 months |
| 05:24.17 | Shirik | I really think my facebook page is more of a gathering place for people to go "Hey, has anyone talked to matt recently?" |
| 05:24.20 | Shirik | I could be my own group |
| 05:25.29 | Shirik | I now have americone dream ice cream |
| 05:25.35 | Shirik | and you do not |
| 05:25.46 | JackBurton | i put alot of debuffs on target. but with pitbull4 i only see about 5 of them. how do i allot two rows of buffdebuff tracking to a frame? i dont see that option in the aura's tabs |
| 05:26.24 | Shirik | do people really use more than 5 debuffs? |
| 05:26.26 | Shirik | damn |
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| 05:27.59 | Shirik | omg noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 05:28.01 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:28.08 | JackBurton | im boxing 3 warlocks. so lots of dots. i wana see dem all darnit! |
| 05:28.16 | Shirik | I swear, I'm going to leave Daytona Beach just to get away from this damn commercial lady |
| 05:29.10 | Shirik | there's a localized commercial here with this lady that is super-over-enthusiastic (think Billy Mayes x 10), and she'll say 2 words and then say "Up to 70% off!" about 20 times in the commercial |
| 05:29.18 | Shirik | and then she stopped for a while |
| 05:29.23 | Shirik | and now she's back :( |
| 05:29.33 | batrick | roffles |
| 05:30.27 | Shirik | I especially like the part where she goes "Washers and driers up to 70% off! They are scratched and dented but are 70% of with full warranty and 70% off!" |
| 05:30.34 | Shirik | and I'm like "shut the hell up!" |
| 05:32.05 | Shirik | batrick :( |
| 05:32.23 | batrick | hi pal |
| 05:32.33 | Shirik | why you laugh at my misfortune :( |
| 05:32.48 | batrick | it's what you get for watching television |
| 05:32.56 | batrick | you'll rot your brain with fabricated good deals |
| 05:33.09 | Shirik | it actually is a pretty good deal |
| 05:33.23 | JackBurton | ok, found it in the "layout editor" main tab |
| 05:33.24 | Shirik | they're trying to liquidate things that got damaged in shipping |
| 05:33.31 | Shirik | but I have no need for any of those things :) |
| 05:33.44 | batrick | but it's SEVENTY PERcENT OFF |
| 05:35.43 | Shirik | batrick |
| 05:35.46 | Shirik | what do you know about automake? |
| 05:36.28 | batrick | never used it |
| 05:36.34 | Shirik | good |
| 05:36.37 | Shirik | because it's EVIL |
| 05:36.45 | Shirik | qmake is win, though |
| 05:37.29 | JackBurton | shirik you probally seen this but this is for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEuzHiQH9vE&feature=related |
| 05:38.09 | Jerub | I either write makefiles myself, or use someone else's build system. |
| 05:38.17 | Jerub | refuses to use them himself. |
| 05:38.17 | Shirik | holy crap |
| 05:39.00 | Shirik | omfg! |
| 05:39.02 | Adys | so |
| 05:39.02 | Shirik | This is the lady! |
| 05:39.04 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5tFOXehtIw&feature=PlayList&p=E97B15B576C19C76&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=12 |
| 05:39.09 | Adys | can someone test this in safari please http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/webkit-19356.html |
| 05:39.22 | ScytheBlade1 | GO INSTALL IT YOURSELF |
| 05:39.36 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 05:39.36 | Adys | THERE IS NO SAFARI VERSION FOR LINUX |
| 05:39.49 | ScytheBlade1 | WINE AND/OR A VIRTUAL MACHINE |
| 05:39.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Bam, problem solved |
| 05:40.01 | Jerub | license violation. |
| 05:40.20 | Adys | now ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:40.25 | Adys | shut up, install safari and give results |
| 05:40.27 | ScytheBlade1 | ... installing Safari under a VM is a license violation? |
| 05:40.32 | Dagmar | I thought all the webkit browsers rendered the same |
| 05:40.36 | Jerub | ScytheBlade1: oh, under a windows vm isn't. |
| 05:40.37 | Adys | no Dagmar |
| 05:40.48 | Jerub | I thought you meant OSX. |
| 05:40.51 | Adys | chrome uses a webkit port |
| 05:40.52 | Jerub | forgot safari is on windows. |
| 05:40.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: I have it installed. Along with opera, firefox, chrome, IE 6/7/8, *and* Konqueror |
| 05:41.01 | ScytheBlade1 | You should do the same! |
| 05:41.15 | Adys | no, I'm having a terrible-enough time with firefox installed |
| 05:41.21 | Jerub | ScytheBlade1: I just have firefox and tell anyone who complains to see figure 1. |
| 05:41.22 | Adys | it KEEPS FUCKING WITH MY DEFAULT BROWSER SETTINGS |
| 05:41.24 | Dagmar | IE9 is cooler. |
| 05:41.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: then you're bad |
| 05:41.53 | Shirik | I can't believe youtube has that video... |
| 05:41.56 | Shirik | wtf |
| 05:41.59 | Dagmar | It just sets up a webserver interface so that malware authors can upload their code to your machine without you having to worry about the fuss and bother of antivirus |
| 05:42.04 | NightHawkTheSane | i wonder if someone's built a webkit browser for linux.. |
| 05:42.09 | NightHawkTheSane | aside from chrome |
| 05:42.10 | Adys | Shirik: wtf is this shit |
| 05:42.13 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: arora |
| 05:42.18 | Shirik | that's the moron lady I want to kill |
| 05:42.20 | Adys | which is the qtwebkit port test browser |
| 05:42.42 | Adys | also uh... that browser which name i forgot of |
| 05:42.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: so, does that render differently than safari? |
| 05:43.26 | Adys | NightHawkTheSane: no, which is why i want it tested in safari |
| 05:43.36 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> |
| 05:43.36 | Adys | because safari use the webkit unmodified core |
| 05:43.41 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm confused |
| 05:43.57 | ScytheBlade1 | safari forked khtml |
| 05:44.02 | ScytheBlade1 | into webkit |
| 05:44.25 | Adys | apple forked khtml, which was open-sourced as webkit later on |
| 05:44.40 | NightHawkTheSane | yes, i -get- that |
| 05:45.02 | ScytheBlade1 | konq/qt use khtml |
| 05:45.04 | NightHawkTheSane | what i mean is, if there's a linux browser that's built on webkit, and it doesn't render differently than safari (like you just said) then why do you need safari? |
| 05:45.05 | ScytheBlade1 | not webkit |
| 05:45.07 | Adys | no |
| 05:45.11 | Adys | qt uses qtwebkit |
| 05:45.14 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 05:45.17 | MentalPower | Adys: fully red, safari4 on mac |
| 05:45.17 | Adys | konqueror... sucks ass |
| 05:45.17 | ScytheBlade1 | konq uses khtml |
| 05:45.23 | ScytheBlade1 | (as they were the people who made it..) |
| 05:45.25 | Adys | THANK YOU MENTALPOWER I LOVE YOU |
| 05:45.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: irony, considering the webkit source! |
| 05:45.39 | Adys | yeha I dont get it |
| 05:45.43 | Adys | webkit is a thousand times better |
| 05:45.48 | Shirik | Adys |
| 05:45.49 | Adys | khtml got like fuck all updates in years |
| 05:46.00 | Shirik | Adys never loves me :( |
| 05:46.03 | ScytheBlade1 | mostly because apple sucks ;) |
| 05:46.03 | Adys | wat |
| 05:46.30 | Adys | MentalPower: care to hit "view source? |
| 05:46.39 | Adys | and give me the last line of html |
| 05:47.07 | Adys | Shirik: what is it darling |
| 05:47.14 | MentalPower | div { background-color: green !important; } |
| 05:47.22 | Shirik | God I hate CSS |
| 05:47.25 | MentalPower | <div style="background-color: red; width: 100%; height: 25px;"></div> |
| 05:47.29 | Shirik | See, to me that means "green is not important" |
| 05:47.30 | Adys | css is awesome Shirik gtfo |
| 05:48.04 | Adys | Shirik: also, |
| 05:48.04 | Adys | >>> green is not important |
| 05:48.04 | Adys | True |
| 05:48.06 | Adys | I love python |
| 05:48.31 | ScytheBlade1 | until you try to do anything on more than one core |
| 05:48.40 | ScytheBlade1 | at which point in time it craps itself and looks at you funny |
| 05:48.48 | Shirik | >>> green is important |
| 05:48.51 | Shirik | wut |
| 05:48.54 | Shirik | wtf was that |
| 05:49.02 | Adys | I dunno Im asking you |
| 05:49.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: compare his python to the line of CSS.. |
| 05:49.18 | Adys | MentalPower: thanks a lot btw |
| 05:49.23 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1? |
| 05:49.28 | ScytheBlade1 | never mind |
| 05:49.32 | MentalPower | Adys: NP anytime |
| 05:49.34 | ScytheBlade1 | you made any changes recently? |
| 05:49.37 | ScytheBlade1 | You should push if so |
| 05:49.43 | Shirik | Depends on "recently" |
| 05:49.49 | Shirik | I have pushed everything you should see |
| 05:49.53 | ScytheBlade1 | k |
| 05:50.02 | Shirik | it's magical |
| 05:50.06 | Shirik | I love qmake |
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| 05:50.54 | Adys | mabn |
| 05:51.00 | Adys | bugzilla is some serious piece of crap |
| 05:51.18 | ScytheBlade1 | only if you're bad |
| 05:51.26 | ScytheBlade1 | pats his local bugzilla install |
| 05:51.52 | Shirik | bugzilla really is crap |
| 05:51.56 | Shirik | it's so ugly |
| 05:52.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd disagree with you there |
| 05:52.29 | ScytheBlade1 | But then again, I'm the one who stares at text terminals all day long |
| 05:52.33 | ScytheBlade1 | So I may be biased |
| 05:52.45 | Shirik | JIRA is what a bug tracker is supposed to look like |
| 05:54.38 | Shirik | so this is cool |
| 05:54.58 | Shirik | apparently my school bought this gas that they aren't allowed to transport |
| 05:55.15 | Shirik | but, they had the people bring it to the school and store it in the wrong lab |
| 05:55.18 | NightHawkTheSane | jira is a pain in the ass |
| 05:55.29 | Adys | The bug was created successfully, but attachment creation failed. Please add your attachment by clicking the "Add an Attachment" link below. |
| 05:55.32 | Shirik | so now it's sitting there unused because nobody can get it to where it needs to be |
| 05:55.35 | tem | agreed, NHTS |
| 05:55.37 | tem | jira is blarg |
| 05:55.43 | Adys | there is so much fuckoffness I want to give it |
| 05:55.43 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane: JIRA is good if the admin is good |
| 05:55.53 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: that's a -very- big if. |
| 05:55.56 | Shirik | The admin does have to do a bit of work to get it to a good state |
| 05:56.07 | tem | Shirik, you saying whoever is admining the auc jira is bad? |
| 05:56.08 | Shirik | But if the workflow is set up properly, it can make troubleshooting so much easier |
| 05:56.21 | tem | because I hates it |
| 05:56.24 | Shirik | I'm saying there are faults with the norganna JIRA, yes |
| 05:56.39 | Adys | AND WHAT IS IT WITH REDIRECTING TO .CGI URLS |
| 05:56.41 | Adys | ffs |
| 05:56.43 | MentalPower | yes, there are faults with the norganna jira |
| 05:56.43 | Adys | when I enter a bug |
| 05:56.47 | tem | damnit |
| 05:56.49 | Adys | I dont fucking want to be on the bug page |
| 05:56.52 | Adys | named "attachment.cgi" |
| 05:56.54 | tem | I was hoping he would defend the norgs jira |
| 05:56.55 | NightHawkTheSane | my sample size is rather small, but i've not seen a jira install that didn't make me want to stab someone's face off. |
| 05:57.01 | tem | because then I could keep disagreeing with him |
| 05:57.02 | Adys | I WANT TO BE ABLE TO COPY PASTE THE URL >< |
| 05:57.10 | Adys | $~@! |
| 05:57.10 | Shirik | be nice tem |
| 05:57.11 | tem | and disagreeing with Shirik is funland |
| 05:57.12 | NightHawkTheSane | that said, i certainly see the potential for jira to be really awesome. |
| 05:57.14 | Shirik | or I'll lock you out again |
| 05:57.26 | tem | :( |
| 05:57.30 | Shirik | <3 |
| 05:57.37 | Shirik | still sorry about that :( |
| 05:57.47 | MentalPower | constructive criticism is appreciated |
| 05:58.01 | Adys | also MentalPower, reported here https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=28838 |
| 05:58.12 | tem | Honestly, MentalPower, I really don't know enough about it or use it enough to give proper criticism |
| 05:58.18 | tem | it just seems to overly complex to me |
| 05:59.21 | tem | I liked trac for our project a couple semesters ago |
| 05:59.24 | Shirik | Adys, I have a better solution |
| 05:59.30 | Shirik | HTML is crap |
| 05:59.35 | MentalPower | trac is... bad... |
| 05:59.45 | NightHawkTheSane | tem: really, thats because it -is- overly complex |
| 05:59.47 | tem | it certainly has its problems |
| 05:59.47 | Adys | trac is terrible |
| 05:59.54 | tem | but it was simple |
| 05:59.55 | MentalPower | for a small project it works fine, but expose it to the internet and watch it bring the server down in flames |
| 05:59.56 | tem | and easy to use |
| 05:59.59 | Adys | Shirik: its not |
| 06:00.05 | Shirik | yes it is |
| 06:00.05 | Adys | people putting <!-- in script is terrible |
| 06:00.10 | Shirik | That too |
| 06:00.12 | Adys | but html isnt |
| 06:00.14 | Shirik | But guess where that originated |
| 06:00.20 | Shirik | HTML 4 recommendations |
| 06:00.24 | Adys | no |
| 06:00.32 | Adys | the html 4 recommendations were crap if you wish |
| 06:00.37 | Adys | but html itself wasnt |
| 06:00.47 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:00.50 | Shirik | We need a real language |
| 06:00.57 | Shirik | not this HTML crap |
| 06:01.00 | Adys | some dickwad had the brilliant idea "LETS MAKE A HACK A STANDARD TO SUPPORT EARLIER BROWSERS!" |
| 06:01.01 | Shirik | why do we even use HTML |
| 06:01.03 | ScytheBlade1 | gogo XML |
| 06:01.07 | Adys | uh |
| 06:01.08 | Adys | I dunno |
| 06:01.15 | Shirik | Why don't we use a real language |
| 06:01.16 | Adys | GUIs are lots of fun to design in html+css |
| 06:01.16 | tem | MP, heh, is it really that... intense when you give it to the internet? |
| 06:01.20 | Shirik | we have all this magical AJAX and stuff |
| 06:01.26 | Shirik | but for some reason we do it in HTML and JS |
| 06:01.30 | ScytheBlade1 | er |
| 06:01.31 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 06:01.32 | Shirik | Do we ENJOY making things difficult? |
| 06:01.37 | Shirik | XML WHATEVER |
| 06:01.58 | NightHawkTheSane | wait, what...? |
| 06:01.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Define 'AJAX', Shirik |
| 06:02.01 | tem | XML is great |
| 06:02.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm curious what you think it means |
| 06:02.05 | MentalPower | tem: its one of the reasons we don't use it anymore, the other one being that its anti-spam feature are severely lacking |
| 06:02.10 | tem | the way people use XML is fucking awful |
| 06:02.10 | ScytheBlade1 | The acronym, that is |
| 06:02.12 | Shirik | JS and XML doing magical stuff |
| 06:02.12 | Adys | xml is great to pass objects |
| 06:02.16 | Adys | yeah tem got it |
| 06:02.34 | Shirik | like you click button, it sends stuff to server, without reloading page |
| 06:02.53 | Shirik | And then the page changes itself |
| 06:02.59 | MentalPower | Asynchronous JavaScript and XML |
| 06:03.03 | Adys | for GUIs, html+css is the most amazing thing ive ever had sex with |
| 06:03.03 | Shirik | This would be so much easier in a real language |
| 06:03.05 | tem | I like the part where the .NET XML classes will tell you that the following two things are not equivilent: |
| 06:03.09 | ScytheBlade1 | thank you @ MentalPower |
| 06:03.23 | Shirik | That's not the acronym |
| 06:03.28 | tem | <tag a="whatever" b="5" /> |
| 06:03.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, it is |
| 06:03.35 | MentalPower | just don't ask me to use it... yet... |
| 06:03.36 | Shirik | it's Amazing Javascript fixing Sucky XML |
| 06:03.41 | Shirik | wait, that's AJSX |
| 06:03.42 | tem | <tag b="5" a="whatever" /> |
| 06:03.43 | Shirik | hang on |
| 06:03.55 | Adys | "awful" |
| 06:04.12 | ScytheBlade1 | tem: wait, really? |
| 06:04.16 | tem | yep |
| 06:04.16 | ScytheBlade1 | tem: wait, nm, yeah |
| 06:04.18 | NightHawkTheSane | so wait, is your problem with html? or javascript? |
| 06:04.20 | ScytheBlade1 | that makes sense |
| 06:04.24 | NightHawkTheSane | because you seem to be going in two different directions |
| 06:04.26 | tem | because "people expect attribute order to mater" |
| 06:04.30 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 06:04.34 | ScytheBlade1 | the DOM is ordered |
| 06:04.36 | tem | that's utter bullshit |
| 06:04.36 | Shirik | my problem is that it's not a programming language |
| 06:04.38 | Shirik | but we use it like one |
| 06:04.44 | NightHawkTheSane | what is "it" |
| 06:04.46 | Adys | thats actually the DOM being terrible |
| 06:04.48 | Adys | not .net |
| 06:04.49 | Shirik | HTML/XML |
| 06:04.50 | Adys | for once |
| 06:04.55 | tem | No sir, Adys |
| 06:05.12 | tem | the XML spec (or whatever the right word is here) says attribute order doesn't matter |
| 06:05.29 | Shirik | One of my parsers makes it so you can't even know the attribute order |
| 06:05.36 | Adys | Shirik: we dont use html as a language :p |
| 06:05.38 | tem | .net people decided that there was an expectation that attribute order mattered |
| 06:05.38 | Shirik | it just shoves them all into a map |
| 06:05.54 | tem | and ignored the design of xml |
| 06:06.00 | Shirik | .NET people are morons |
| 06:06.01 | ScytheBlade1 | that's not just .net |
| 06:06.17 | tem | who else does that |
| 06:06.18 | tem | ? |
| 06:06.19 | ScytheBlade1 | DOM defines multiple functions that get nodes by numberic ID from 0 |
| 06:06.25 | NightHawkTheSane | >.> i've never given a rats ass about attribute order in .net |
| 06:06.29 | Shirik | But that's not the fault of the library |
| 06:06.31 | ScytheBlade1 | any W3C DOM compliant lib |
| 06:06.37 | Shirik | that's the fault of the user |
| 06:06.40 | Shirik | if you rely on it in tha tmanner |
| 06:06.40 | tem | ScytheBlade1, Node Order != Attribute order |
| 06:06.46 | ScytheBlade1 | attributes are nodes |
| 06:06.52 | Shirik | imo that's so you can iterate through them without knowing the attribute names |
| 06:06.55 | tem | um, no? |
| 06:07.01 | Shirik | not so you canc see what index they are |
| 06:07.07 | Shirik | or rely on them being at a certain index |
| 06:07.32 | tem | agree |
| 06:07.38 | ScytheBlade1 | whoops, I was thinking of the wrong thing |
| 06:08.04 | Shirik | your argument still holds ScytheBlade1, given that SAX allows you to access attributes by index |
| 06:08.11 | Shirik | however, my counter point still applies imo |
| 06:08.17 | ScytheBlade1 | sure |
| 06:08.19 | ScytheBlade1 | granted |
| 06:09.50 | Shirik | I win |
| 06:09.57 | Shirik | next topic for the nerd god! |
| 06:10.02 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 06:10.08 | Shirik | hey |
| 06:10.09 | ScytheBlade1 | you gave me a point, and you a point |
| 06:10.13 | Shirik | my test said I am the nerd god |
| 06:10.15 | tem | I CAN SPELL MY NAME GOOD |
| 06:10.16 | tem | YES |
| 06:10.18 | tem | F |
| 06:10.18 | tem | R |
| 06:10.19 | tem | E |
| 06:10.20 | tem | D |
| 06:10.22 | tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:10.23 | tem | F |
| 06:10.24 | tem | R |
| 06:10.25 | tem | E |
| 06:10.26 | tem | D |
| 06:10.29 | tem | B |
| 06:10.31 | tem | U |
| 06:10.32 | tem | R |
| 06:10.34 | tem | G |
| 06:10.36 | tem | E |
| 06:10.37 | Shirik | I am going to hurt you |
| 06:10.38 | tem | R |
| 06:10.42 | tem | YES |
| 06:10.45 | Jerub | Shirik: enough talking, more hurting. |
| 06:10.46 | tem | FREDFREDBURGER |
| 06:11.14 | Shirik | I think I need to add a shiibot module for consecutive single letter lines |
| 06:11.23 | tem | :( |
| 06:11.48 | Shirik | Tem's score got up to 10 and then started going down |
| 06:11.49 | Shirik | lol |
| 06:11.49 | tem | I thought you wanted shiibot to ignore me |
| 06:11.56 | Shirik | as you typed more letters |
| 06:12.07 | Shirik | I guess because it started considering you stupid |
| 06:12.13 | Shirik | AI is so hard to debug... |
| 06:12.17 | tem | oh it went up with the allcaps line? |
| 06:12.25 | tem | and down with the 1 char lines? |
| 06:12.33 | Shirik | no, your peak was the first F after the space |
| 06:12.39 | Shirik | and then it started going down |
| 06:12.44 | tem | huh |
| 06:12.52 | Shirik | it seems to me like it started to think "well, that's how he normally types" |
| 06:12.54 | tem | this is awesome, btw |
| 06:12.54 | tem | http://faxx4you.blogspot.com/2009/08/homo-sapiens.html |
| 06:12.58 | Shirik | so it was training itself too quickly |
| 06:13.18 | tem | I do type kind of like that, though |
| 06:13.18 | tem | not at all to that extreme |
| 06:13.24 | tem | but I frequently break my text into lines |
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| 06:13.27 | tem | like that |
| 06:14.16 | Shirik | nice tem, but I think I have a better one |
| 06:15.07 | Shirik | It's long, but totally worth it if you get to the end (and don't skip) http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/nacirema.htm |
| 06:15.51 | Jerub | what's the character limit on toon names? |
| 06:20.27 | Archegos | anyone know how to change the image loaded into a Texture object within a frame? |
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| 06:20.41 | nevcairiel | eh, just :SetTexture? |
| 06:21.00 | Archegos | ill try that thanks |
| 06:23.37 | tem | Shirik, sadly, the context of the zoo sign let me figure out what that was early on |
| 06:23.56 | Archegos | hmm i dont see that in wowwiki API guides, how do i pass a filename into :SetTexture? |
| 06:24.17 | nevcairiel | !api SetTexture |
| 06:24.17 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'SetTexture': Texture:SetTexture, CalendarEventSetTextureID |
| 06:24.18 | Shirik | zoo sign? |
| 06:24.24 | Archegos | !api SetTexture |
| 06:24.25 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'SetTexture': Texture:SetTexture, CalendarEventSetTextureID |
| 06:24.26 | nevcairiel | !api Texture:SetTexture |
| 06:24.26 | lua_bot | Texture:SetTexture: Sets the texture object's image or color (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Texture/SetTexture) |
| 06:24.28 | nevcairiel | there :p |
| 06:24.59 | MentalPower | Jerub: 12 |
| 06:25.19 | tem | Texture:SetTexture("Interface\\AddOns\\Folder\\FilenameWithNoExtension") |
| 06:25.51 | tem | Shirik, the thing I linked you |
| 06:25.55 | MentalPower | Archegos: wowwiki does not have the most up to date API, use wowprogramming.com for that |
| 06:26.00 | Shirik | ah |
| 06:27.25 | Shirik | Hey, who uses a mac her |
| 06:27.26 | Shirik | MentalPower? |
| 06:27.31 | Shirik | Iriel! |
| 06:27.34 | NightHawkTheSane | i do |
| 06:27.40 | Shirik | Do macs have pkg-config? |
| 06:28.10 | Shirik | This isn't really a "can they" question but rather a "can it pretty much be assumed that they do" |
| 06:28.23 | NightHawkTheSane | not by default, i believe |
| 06:28.39 | Shirik | is there a standard place to install library header files? |
| 06:29.42 | Jerub | MentalPower: thanks. |
| 06:29.43 | NightHawkTheSane | probably the same as on any unix system |
| 06:29.49 | Iriel | What? |
| 06:29.53 | Jerub | Shirik: hehehehe |
| 06:29.57 | Jerub | *giggle* |
| 06:30.20 | Iriel | I have pkg-config, but it's from macports I think |
| 06:30.32 | Iriel | as for the other question, yes, I suspect you can find the details on developer.apple.com |
| 06:30.38 | Shirik | hell, do mac users even build software? |
| 06:30.50 | Shirik | or is pretty much everything a binary? |
| 06:31.08 | nevcairiel | most *nix users only use binary, unless they use gentoo <.< |
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| 06:31.11 | NightHawkTheSane | we can, as much as any unix/linux user can. we generally don't unless necessary, though |
| 06:31.21 | Iriel | Mostly binary, though again, macports et all compile stuff |
| 06:31.23 | Shirik | nevcairiel :/ |
| 06:31.54 | MentalPower | Shirik: yes? |
| 06:31.57 | Iriel | sleeps |
| 06:32.03 | Shirik | <3 Iriel |
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| 06:48.35 | Archegos | does there exist a utility to check a tga for WoW compatibility... i have photoshop and i made sure that they were exported correctly, but they still show up as green, and ive double checked the code and it works too |
| 06:49.59 | Shirik | What's its size? |
| 06:50.14 | Archegos | 128x256 |
| 06:50.24 | Archegos | does it need to be square? |
| 06:50.26 | nevcairiel | 32-bit tga? |
| 06:50.27 | Shirik | no |
| 06:50.39 | Dagmar | They should be square afaik |
| 06:50.46 | Shirik | I believe photoshop calls it 8-bit :) |
| 06:50.53 | nevcairiel | na, doesnt have to be square |
| 06:50.55 | Dagmar | I could easily be wrong |
| 06:50.57 | Archegos | i chose Alpha + 24 Bit |
| 06:50.57 | nevcairiel | just both a power of 2 |
| 06:51.07 | Shirik | alpha + 24 is 32 |
| 06:51.08 | Dagmar | Okay cool |
| 06:51.14 | Archegos | does it need to be alpha + 32? |
| 06:51.19 | Dagmar | I despise tga for the reason he's running into |
| 06:51.20 | Archegos | because that is also an option |
| 06:51.28 | Archegos | me to dag :( |
| 06:51.31 | Dagmar | Nothing seems to handle more than a handful of ways tga can be encoded |
| 06:51.32 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure you're right as you are now |
| 06:51.45 | nevcairiel | 24 + full alpha is 32bit |
| 06:51.47 | Dagmar | ...and they're all bloody different about which they'll tolerate |
| 06:52.30 | Archegos | ill try making it square just in case |
| 06:52.52 | Shirik | Did you create a green tga? |
| 06:53.36 | Archegos | no |
| 06:53.42 | Archegos | its the lime green error color |
| 06:54.01 | Archegos | does this work or can i not use .. notation here: |
| 06:54.03 | Archegos | :SetTexture("Interface\\Addons\\Poacher_UnitFrames\\skin\\hp_" .. healthFrame) |
| 06:54.15 | Shirik | that's fine, assuming it's the correct location |
| 06:54.17 | Jerub | sigh |
| 06:54.35 | Jerub | does anyone know what OoC is for a feral druid? a forum i'm reading refers to it but doesn't define it... |
| 06:54.43 | Archegos | yeah i tried loading another image and it worked fine, it was square however, the ones im trying to get to work are not square |
| 06:54.50 | Shirik | omen of clarity |
| 06:55.01 | Jerub | thanks! |
| 06:55.22 | Shirik | yeah it doesn't have to be square |
| 06:55.26 | Shirik | otherwise none of the borders would work |
| 06:56.10 | Archegos | ok, so that leaves the resolution setting, ill have to try Alpha + 32 |
| 06:56.25 | Shirik | mind sending it to me? |
| 06:57.24 | Archegos | sure how can i |
| 06:57.39 | nevcairiel | Hm, the tgas i build some day work, and it claims its a simple 8bits per channel, plus alpha |
| 06:57.42 | nevcairiel | so full 32-bit |
| 06:57.46 | Shiibot | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.02 | nevcairiel | I saved them with GIMP, though =p |
| 06:59.57 | Archegos | it should be on its way |
| 07:00.29 | Jerub | if you want a tool that can interrogate the tga and discern if it forfills some requirements, i could throw a script together, but i'd need to know what the requirements are :P |
| 07:00.42 | Shirik | uh Archegos |
| 07:00.47 | Archegos | simply if they work with WoW |
| 07:00.51 | Archegos | ? |
| 07:00.51 | Shirik | I'm hoping this is not what it was |
| 07:00.59 | Shirik | but you realize the file you sent me is named hp_50.tga.targa, right? |
| 07:01.12 | Archegos | thats not what it is on my system |
| 07:01.20 | Grum | haha |
| 07:01.20 | Archegos | it must have been renamed by hotmail |
| 07:01.24 | Shirik | you sure it's not just windows hiding it from you? |
| 07:01.32 | Archegos | yeah i have show extensions on |
| 07:01.35 | Shirik | ok |
| 07:01.52 | Shirik | I love Microsoft |
| 07:01.58 | Archegos | lol |
| 07:02.06 | Shirik | only Microsoft could come up with a system where you can have two computers, on the same intranet, separated by 20 feet |
| 07:02.18 | Shirik | and have one send an email to the other through Outlook Exchange Server |
| 07:02.38 | Shirik | and have it permanently delete the attachment in the process saying "oh you might not like this! I have no idea what it is, but it could be bad. So you can't have it." |
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| 07:02.56 | Archegos | lawl, i can load it on my webserver if that didnt work |
| 07:03.07 | Grum | should be 32bit, with alpha channel, and the dimensions have to be a power of 2 and bigger than 16 afaik |
| 07:03.08 | Dagmar | *kofkof* \\hostname |
| 07:03.26 | Grum | it doesnt have to be square |
| 07:04.11 | Shirik | I seem to think there was another restriction |
| 07:04.12 | Grum | tbh Shirik; that is just a badly maintained system |
| 07:04.15 | Shirik | however, this looks correct |
| 07:04.35 | Grum | oh and i am not sure about compression |
| 07:04.53 | Archegos | they said compression was ok now, but i still dont use it |
| 07:04.57 | Grum | RLE was allowed i *think* |
| 07:05.00 | Archegos | maybe its a file size restriction? |
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| 07:05.10 | Grum | how big is it? |
| 07:05.14 | Shirik | no it was something really esoteric |
| 07:05.15 | ScytheBlade1 | targa can be pretty big |
| 07:05.17 | Grum | oh yeah there is an upperlimit as well |
| 07:05.26 | Archegos | 129 KB |
| 07:05.33 | Grum | i think it was 2048x2048 as max size |
| 07:05.51 | ScytheBlade1 | oh, right. filesize limitations make no sense with the targa format |
| 07:05.52 | Shirik | something like "most graphics cards don't support this, so we won't allow them in wow" |
| 07:05.54 | Shirik | I forget what it was |
| 07:06.15 | ScytheBlade1 | as every same resolution targa (with the same bit depth..) is identically sized |
| 07:06.47 | Archegos | ok i got it working |
| 07:06.59 | Shirik | what did you do? |
| 07:07.01 | Archegos | i think i had to close wow to get it to work |
| 07:07.01 | Grum | ok that means no RLE |
| 07:07.08 | Shirik | ha |
| 07:07.16 | Archegos | ive just been using /script ReloadUI(); |
| 07:07.16 | Shirik | did the file not exist since the last time you opened wow? |
| 07:07.17 | Grum | euuuh |
| 07:07.21 | Shirik | yeah, you can't do that |
| 07:07.27 | Grum | indeed ;) |
| 07:07.28 | Shirik | WoW caches which files exist on startup |
| 07:07.31 | Archegos | ./facepalm |
| 07:07.33 | Shirik | and doesn't look for them again |
| 07:07.46 | Grum | the fun part is, back in the days (early 2.x) wow didn't do that |
| 07:07.50 | Shirik | same for Lua scripts, XML, TOC files, etc. |
| 07:08.06 | Archegos | lesson learned, sorry for taking up so much time with user error >< |
| 07:08.18 | Grum | it happens, you learn :) |
| 07:08.26 | Grum | and we learn asking the question earlier ;) |
| 07:08.40 | Shirik | yeah that really is something someone should have brought up earlier |
| 07:08.41 | Archegos | hell, after that fiasco ill never forget! |
| 07:09.10 | Grum | now someone, compile lua with POSIX regex support please! |
| 07:09.13 | Grum | and make Blizzard use it |
| 07:09.35 | Grum | this stupid limited patternmatching is getting annoying :) |
| 07:09.50 | Archegos | omfg... its working and looks beautiful :D |
| 07:09.58 | NightHawkTheSane | cue rant by someone against regex in 5... 4... |
| 07:09.58 | Archegos | thanks so much folks |
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| 07:10.10 | Shirik | purl, tgacommandments is <reply> (1) Are both your width and height powers of two? (2) Are both your width and height at least 16px? (3) Are you using an 8-bit channel RGBA TGA file? (4) Have you restarted WoW since creating the file? (5) Are you sure you don't have an image of a green file? |
| 07:10.12 | purl | okay, Shirik |
| 07:10.36 | Shirik | I guess that should be rewritten a bit |
| 07:10.38 | Grum | LOL that lasto ne =D |
| 07:10.43 | Archegos | lawl |
| 07:11.05 | Archegos | i think if you use 16 bit resolution it comes out black as opposed to lime |
| 07:11.18 | Grum | it depends on the dmg |
| 07:11.20 | Grum | *img |
| 07:11.26 | Dagmar | depth, not resolution |
| 07:11.50 | Archegos | sorry, Photoshop calls it pixel resolution |
| 07:11.52 | Archegos | odd i know |
| 07:11.59 | Archegos | it confuses me still |
| 07:12.08 | Shirik | mine just says "8 Bits/Channel" |
| 07:12.10 | Dagmar | That's mad |
| 07:12.11 | Shirik | What version are you using? |
| 07:12.16 | Archegos | CS2 |
| 07:12.19 | Shirik | ah |
| 07:12.20 | Grum | (2) Are both your width and height at least 16px? and more more than 2048? |
| 07:12.22 | Shirik | I'm using CS4 Extended |
| 07:12.55 | Archegos | I have that as well, ive just not taken the time to wipe my current CS off the machine yet |
| 07:13.18 | Archegos | its a nice book end for the moment lol |
| 07:14.03 | Shirik | purl, no, tgacommandments is <reply> (1) Thou shalt not create a TGA with width and height not powers of 2. (2) Thou shalt not create a TGA with height or width less than 16px or greater than 2048px. (3) Thou shalt not create a TGA that is not an 8-bit channel RGBA image. (4) Thou shalt not create new files without restarting WoW. (5) Thou shalt not create fully green TGAs and forget. |
| 07:14.04 | purl | okay, Shirik |
| 07:14.31 | nevcairiel | i love the last one =P |
| 07:14.53 | Archegos | lol its win |
| 07:16.14 | Fisker | *sigh* |
| 07:16.21 | Shirik | Fisker |
| 07:16.21 | Fisker | orc death knight named "Trall" |
| 07:16.24 | Fisker | i lol'd |
| 07:18.17 | Fisker | i got pwnt by a bot :( |
| 07:18.43 | Shirik | it was me Fisker |
| 07:18.46 | Shirik | bow down to me |
| 07:19.08 | Fisker | naw |
| 07:19.18 | Shirik | plz |
| 07:21.12 | Fisker | only if naga preceeds it |
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| 07:24.00 | Fisker | what a pisspoor time for my keyboard to reboot :( |
| 07:24.17 | the-golem | its RGBA? I always referred to it as ARGB... |
| 07:24.54 | ScytheBlade1 | it varies |
| 07:27.12 | bleeter | stabs QH some |
| 07:27.19 | the-golem | Back when I fiddled with targa alot, back in like 2005, I seem to recall the alpha always being first. With photoshop 7 if it matters. |
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| 07:50.16 | Lukian | were there any changes in 3.2 that might result in UI corruption/non-display? any config file fixes |
| 07:53.00 | ReAn | just the interface number :p |
| 07:54.20 | Lukian | http://eu.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_GB&articleId=39410 |
| 07:54.30 | Lukian | that might be it, I'll find out what video card her lappy has |
| 07:54.47 | Lukian | the config.wtf entry might resolve it too |
| 07:58.04 | Fisker | wtf |
| 07:58.10 | Fisker | my tyrael is sleeping |
| 08:02.10 | Jerub | Lukian: yes. |
| 08:02.19 | Jerub | Lukian: there was a 3.2 bug that affected mac users with nvidia cards. |
| 08:02.32 | Jerub | it was fixed in the patch released 2 weeks ago. |
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| 08:30.09 | orionshock | Maldivia: ping |
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| 09:46.30 | jnwhiteh | Elkano: game? |
| 09:46.41 | Elkano | why not :) |
| 09:47.11 | jnwhiteh | k, i'll find one we can both join then |
| 09:47.18 | jnwhiteh | or maybe make one |
| 09:47.34 | jnwhiteh | anyone else up for a 3v3? |
| 09:47.56 | jnwhiteh | Elkano: join the one i just joined |
| 09:47.59 | jnwhiteh | we'll try to make same team |
| 09:48.02 | jnwhiteh | or kill each other =) |
| 09:48.44 | jnwhiteh | but i gotta get to work after this, but i'm barely awake :P |
| 09:57.34 | mikma | is teh book v2 ready yet? |
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| 10:24.07 | jnwhiteh | no, working on it |
| 10:24.53 | jnwhiteh | we're in editing now |
| 10:25.32 | Kaso | I recall a while back someone put together a cryptographic signing library, i cant remember exactly, anyone remeber who that was? |
| 10:25.52 | jnwhiteh | foxlit had the code, i believe |
| 10:31.40 | Kaso | I cant figure out how to do the trust model in our guild addon without A) hardcoding officer names B) Cryptographic Signatures |
| 10:36.14 | Elkano | rank? |
| 10:38.49 | Kaso | problem is they want me to account for both guild leaders alts, who might not be in guild, but also player's alts and trials who might not be in guild |
| 10:39.20 | Dagmar | Then you're basically going to have to use crypto |
| 10:39.35 | Dagmar | ...or at least "secrets" |
| 10:40.38 | Kaso | yah I considered having special addons for guild officers but then you have to worry about people backwards engineering their own one |
| 10:41.55 | Kaso | ill see if foxlit still has that code hanging around and if not, well i might consider a less secure solution if its easier |
| 10:42.12 | Dagmar | Not if you do so much as implement secret words on a client-to-client basis |
| 10:42.37 | Dagmar | There's even a simple winnow-and-chaff method |
| 10:44.02 | Kaso | hmm i'll look into that |
| 10:45.11 | Dagmar | Take a bitstring, say 32-bits long, made of "whatever" and a text password would be fine. If both sides know it, you can XOR the first half with noise, send it to the other guy, he can xor it again to get just the entropy, use that to xor the other half and send it back |
| 10:45.28 | Dagmar | If the challenge fails, you ignore further auth requests from that client for the session duration |
| 10:45.46 | Dagmar | Good luck brute forcing it |
| 10:46.22 | Sesshu | the first half with noise? |
| 10:46.22 | Dagmar | On a successful auth you can generate a new random secret on the spot if you'd like to really tie clients tightly together |
| 10:46.30 | Dagmar | Yes, just random numbers |
| 10:46.54 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:47.18 | Dagmar | Other side gets it, knows that bit should be 12345, XORs it with that, get's the entropy alone |
| 10:47.23 | Dagmar | er gets |
| 10:47.44 | Dagmar | They xor 67890 with that entropy and send it back to you... |
| 10:48.11 | Dagmar | You know what the 67890 is (obviously), and you know what the entropy used in the challenge was |
| 10:49.49 | Dagmar | All you have to do is come up with some way of taking a typeable password and turning it into a bitstring to make it human-friendly |
| 10:49.52 | Dagmar | md5 works fine |
| 10:50.22 | Sesshu | enropy huh |
| 10:50.28 | Kaso | that sounds pretty interesting |
| 10:50.39 | Dagmar | That technique is literally only good for that trick |
| 10:50.59 | Dagmar | ...since there's no more space to stick any kind of message in it |
| 10:51.21 | Dagmar | You'll have to send the main's name int he clear, obviously, so the remote client knows whose secret to check against |
| 10:51.42 | Dagmar | ...but unlike for use on IRC, people can't easily just change nicks in WoW |
| 10:52.23 | Dagmar | ...I also doubt anyone's going to amass a load of clone clients to try brute forcing that way |
| 10:53.06 | Dagmar | I scribbled a thing to do that for ircii about eight years aog |
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| 11:01.15 | tlund | this sounds very interesting |
| 11:01.28 | tlund | what is the addon going to do? |
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| 13:01.48 | Grum | sylvanaar: you've made LibAlts right? how did you envision it to be used? |
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| 13:03.10 | sylvanaar | grum sort of like shared media i guess - just letting other addons access the alt data in your addon |
| 13:03.39 | Grum | yeah so the addon using it has to still do the storing and basicly just load it into the library while its loading? |
| 13:05.17 | sylvanaar | yeah, prat has this sameple "MyAlts", which you could take and store all your guilds alts in, and distribute it to your guild. idk - that was what I was trying to enable people to do |
| 13:05.52 | sylvanaar | but yes to your question |
| 13:06.45 | gautam_c | hi all... is addon studio the best option for building wow addons... or are there others.. I tried wowbench, it was nice, but wondering if there is something more active that you ppl use? |
| 13:06.54 | Pneumatus | notepad++ |
| 13:06.55 | jnwhiteh | we use text editors |
| 13:06.55 | jnwhiteh | and wow |
| 13:06.57 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 13:07.20 | jnwhiteh | can't get more "active" than that |
| 13:07.21 | gautam_c | hehe |
| 13:07.21 | sylvanaar | im an ide whore, and i use a text editor |
| 13:07.21 | gautam_c | yea |
| 13:07.33 | dardack | i use Scite |
| 13:07.35 | jnwhiteh | I mean, I use an XML IDE to edit my templates, but that's it. |
| 13:07.39 | mikma | Notepad++ |
| 13:07.53 | dardack | since Scite has a linux port, not sure of Notepadd++ |
| 13:07.57 | Pneumatus | i just wish someone would create an intellisense file for np++ |
| 13:08.00 | sylvanaar | EditPadPro |
| 13:08.06 | gautam_c | i use emacs.. and it has lua mode too |
| 13:08.11 | jnwhiteh | i use vim |
| 13:08.11 | Grum | sylvanaar: yeah so you basicly have to have your own local storage -- oh well guess that is doable |
| 13:08.13 | jnwhiteh | cause, it's vim |
| 13:08.21 | Grum | vim++ |
| 13:08.34 | gautam_c | i want to send events etc .. without having to load up wow everytime |
| 13:08.37 | dardack | intellisence? |
| 13:08.39 | gautam_c | how do you do that? |
| 13:08.56 | jnwhiteh | you don't. |
| 13:08.57 | gautam_c | everytime i load wow.. i end up playing it.. :p |
| 13:08.58 | jnwhiteh | you write code that doesn't need to be "tested" like that |
| 13:08.59 | jnwhiteh | or load wow |
| 13:08.59 | sylvanaar | Grum the idea is that your addon works the same - just everyone else can use the data you are keeping |
| 13:09.05 | jnwhiteh | gautam_c: so start on a new server |
| 13:09.07 | Grum | yeah |
| 13:09.12 | jnwhiteh | make a death knight |
| 13:09.15 | jnwhiteh | and use that for testing |
| 13:09.20 | gautam_c | ok |
| 13:09.29 | jnwhiteh | that way you're not distracted :P |
| 13:09.32 | Grum | sylvanaar: would it be insane to add a /setmain to the library? |
| 13:09.45 | gautam_c | yeah.. thnx for the help.. |
| 13:10.23 | Grum | oh hmmm nevermind that wouldnt work as the lib doesnt do storage and depends on another addon to capture the additions |
| 13:11.00 | Pneumatus | theres a little stand-alone addon that does that, iirc |
| 13:11.07 | sylvanaar | grum you are thinking about it backwards. but zhinjo did write an did that |
| 13:11.20 | Pneumatus | that independantly stores alt lists |
| 13:11.29 | Grum | well, the thing is, i would want Chatter/Prat to store whatever i 'add' |
| 13:11.29 | Lopeppeppy | I wore long sleeves and jeans, why am I cold in my office? Rawr. |
| 13:11.35 | Grum | but rather not 'all that is stored' |
| 13:12.05 | dardack | i wish i was cold and i wore short sleeves shorts |
| 13:12.13 | dardack | got approval from the boss to wear kacki shorts |
| 13:12.56 | ckknight | Lopeppeppy: because you touch yourself at night. |
| 13:13.08 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, is that all? |
| 13:13.37 | sylvanaar | grum all libalts does is let other addons access the alt data in your addon. if you consider the use-case i mentioned, someone makes an addon that has all your guild's alts in it. You dont just want to blindly store that info into your saved vars |
| 13:13.41 | ckknight | yes |
| 13:13.50 | Lopeppeppy | Guess I suffer in the cold, huh? |
| 13:14.16 | ckknight | looks like it. |
| 13:14.48 | Grum | sylvanaar: indeed, so you will now end up with the problem that you cannot be sure which addon added a specific main/alt combo so you dont know which addon you have to poke to remove it |
| 13:16.27 | sylvanaar | grum in practice that really isnt an issue. |
| 13:17.58 | Grum | as long as you have 1 source for the data |
| 13:20.18 | sylvanaar | in practice you would only have 1 or 2, but the idea is that its not any specific addon. |
| 13:22.22 | sylvanaar | in other words, Prat keeps alt data, Chatter does too. If someone wanted to use the data in their addon - they wouldnt need to do 'if Prat then ... elseif Chatter then ...' |
| 13:22.56 | Grum | yeah |
| 13:23.26 | Grum | so how annoyed were you by the blizzard coloring of names at certain events? :D |
| 13:23.37 | Grum | i reckon the change for you was rather minimal? |
| 13:24.25 | sylvanaar | for me, yeah - it was. but im not supporting the client's options for coloring |
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| 13:27.09 | Grum | sylvanaar: why not? |
| 13:27.47 | sylvanaar | it overcomplicates the options |
| 13:27.55 | Grum | pfft :p |
| 13:27.57 | Grum | purest of slack |
| 13:28.01 | zenzelezz | snuggles Lopeppeppy |
| 13:28.13 | zenzelezz | not so cold anymore! |
| 13:31.13 | sylvanaar | i think that its tecnically correct to do - but that very few of prat's users would ever need to. if they do - ill support it i guess |
| 13:31.30 | DWSR | sylvanaar: Do what? |
| 13:31.33 | DWSR | I'm a prat user. |
| 13:31.46 | sylvanaar | exactly - you dont notice |
| 13:32.25 | DWSR | As I don't know what I'm looking for, I don't know what I'm supposed to not notice. |
| 13:32.30 | DWSR | What you talking about scrub? :P |
| 13:32.35 | sylvanaar | if you turn off class coloring in prat - you should get colored class names from the default ui |
| 13:32.50 | sylvanaar | but you dont if you are running prat |
| 13:33.48 | DWSR | I've noticed that enabling class colours in chat actually makes Prat not work. |
| 13:33.57 | DWSR | as in, I get nothing outputed to the default chat frame. |
| 13:34.38 | sylvanaar | i might fix that though - if i can reproduce it |
| 13:35.12 | zenzelezz | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/08/30/funny-pictures-you-the-ropes/ <-- this is actually a pretty cool picture |
| 13:35.35 | Lopeppeppy | Way too cute. :P |
| 13:35.38 | Sesshu | yaa |
| 13:35.43 | DWSR | sylvanaar: Can't you just make Prat get the class colours from the default UI, as opposed to having to /who everyone? |
| 13:35.48 | sylvanaar | it does |
| 13:35.54 | Lopeppeppy | is ded of cyute! |
| 13:36.01 | zenzelezz | peppy: thanks, but now click the link |
| 13:36.16 | DWSR | sylvanaar: Obviously it doesn't, because I still get people with grey names, unless you pushed out that update within the last 4 days. |
| 13:36.16 | Lopeppeppy | I did. Now I am dead. |
| 13:36.24 | zenzelezz | apparently failed |
| 13:36.43 | Lopeppeppy | Overdose, like giving a frappuchino to a diabetic. Instant coma |
| 13:37.03 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Err...? |
| 13:37.11 | Lopeppeppy | ded of cyute |
| 13:37.11 | DWSR | No, that would be death actually. |
| 13:37.12 | sylvanaar | grey names in the playerlink or elsewhere |
| 13:37.23 | DWSR | sylvanaar: grey names in the chat frame. |
| 13:37.48 | sylvanaar | no [Name]: Hi i'm Name |
| 13:37.55 | sylvanaar | which name is grey |
| 13:38.06 | DWSR | [Name] |
| 13:38.17 | DWSR | Actually, both. |
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| 13:41.11 | sylvanaar | when they speak or come online? |
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| 13:41.31 | DWSR | speak |
| 13:41.51 | DWSR | anyone coming online (friend or guild) seems to colour themselves correctly. |
| 13:43.22 | sylvanaar | allright, i'll look at it |
| 13:49.01 | sylvanaar | though it could be another addon which filters out arg12 |
| 13:49.21 | DWSR | can't imagine which one, since I don't have any other chat addons installed. |
| 13:50.17 | sylvanaar | any addon which installed a chatfilter, and was not updated to support arg12 |
| 13:50.52 | DWSR | aye, but I can't imagine which ones installed a chatfilter. |
| 13:51.01 | DWSR | Anyway, I'll get back to you, for now I need to go get my freak on. |
| 13:51.16 | DWSR | Laters |
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| 14:05.58 | Lopeppeppy | hi hi malreth! |
| 14:06.36 | malreth | cuddles Lopeppeppy |
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| 14:52.06 | Ackis | rawr |
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| 14:53.11 | Ackis | cool my home town had a murder! |
| 14:53.35 | Gnarfoz | was it you? |
| 14:53.42 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR |
| 14:53.47 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, that's not cool, dear. |
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| 14:54.06 | Ackis | no wasn't me |
| 14:57.04 | nicoli_s | so turns out my kitty's surgery got pushed back till wednesday since my gf's parents couldnt get off till then, but hes got his own room at their house and hes doing greay |
| 14:57.44 | Ackis | glad to hear that nic |
| 14:58.26 | nicoli_s | he's a tough ole kitty :) |
| 14:58.55 | nicoli_s | gonna be interesting to see how he quickly he becomes king over my tiny girl kitties |
| 14:59.20 | cogwheel | cuddles malreth |
| 14:59.21 | Ackis | we got a 4th cat last night |
| 14:59.22 | Ackis | yes |
| 14:59.23 | Ackis | 4 |
| 14:59.33 | nicoli_s | hehe, thats how many i'll have with phantom |
| 14:59.38 | Lopeppeppy | One of the kittens, Ackis? |
| 14:59.42 | zenzelezz | I'd prefer not to know when my girlfriend's parent were getting off |
| 14:59.59 | nicoli_s | which makes me cant wait even more to get out of this apt |
| 15:00.01 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: we got Indy's brother who was returned to the shelter |
| 15:00.10 | Ackis | so we have 2 cats that look identical now |
| 15:00.48 | nicoli_s | hehe, same here |
| 15:01.01 | nicoli_s | if it wasnt for the ring on the tail i couldnt tell spaghetti and ravioli apart |
| 15:01.07 | Ackis | lol |
| 15:01.17 | Ackis | this new one is being named after something in WoW |
| 15:01.32 | Ackis | Full name: Nefarion Short name: Neffy |
| 15:01.32 | nicoli_s | Thrall! |
| 15:01.34 | Ackis | :| |
| 15:01.47 | nicoli_s | just call him "For the Horde!" |
| 15:01.54 | nicoli_s | so you have a reason to just yell it out all the time |
| 15:02.01 | Ackis | lol |
| 15:02.25 | zenzelezz | so one thing I don't get about Deathwing... why was his name "Neltharion"? That doesn't sound very dragony |
| 15:02.46 | nicoli_s | man it feels so weird without all my hair |
| 15:02.49 | cogwheel | We have a cat named Ryo-ohki. After a few years of evolving nick-names for him, we now call him Mr. Potato Head |
| 15:03.12 | cogwheel | Ryo-ohki -> Ryo -> Ryo-petio -> petio -> potato -> Mr. Potato Head |
| 15:03.17 | nicoli_s | hehe |
| 15:03.33 | Ackis | lol |
| 15:03.52 | nicoli_s | that usually happens with my kitties too, thats how my littlest went from Alfredo to just Blackfoot |
| 15:03.55 | mikma | so, what happens after i have completed all the "25 marks" for the crusader people? |
| 15:04.02 | mikma | can i complete those dailies anymore? |
| 15:04.05 | malreth | hugs cogwheel tightly and spins him around, giggling whilst nuzzling his cheek with that of his own |
| 15:04.38 | cogwheel | feels dizzy |
| 15:04.43 | cogwheel | and somewhat violated |
| 15:04.49 | cogwheel | :P |
| 15:04.52 | mikma | check is your butt untouched |
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| 15:05.54 | malreth | i have ninja fingers... you can't tell where they're going but you'll know where they've been |
| 15:06.06 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 15:07.56 | Ackis | can I link meat spin? |
| 15:08.25 | cogwheel | even asking that should be marked NSFW imo ;) |
| 15:08.33 | Grum | what is that? |
| 15:08.34 | Ackis | hehe |
| 15:08.38 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, just be sure to train him out of the hand-hurting, and I'm sure he's gonna be just fine. |
| 15:08.42 | Grum | (just to make him link it) |
| 15:08.49 | Ackis | Grum: http://www.meapspin.com (NSFW) |
| 15:09.03 | cogwheel | NSFAnywhere imo |
| 15:09.07 | Grum | NOW SEE FOR WHOOPIE!? |
| 15:09.39 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: right now he's really riled up, he was panting like a dog last night so we had to do some manual seperation of the critters, he's really cute in that he'll come up to our face (chiin/nose) and give kisses then a tiny gentle bite |
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| 15:13.31 | olafski | mmm... meapspin |
| 15:14.31 | Ackis | after 30 "rounds" it gives you an inspirational message |
| 15:15.15 | Grum | URLDOESNTWORK! |
| 15:15.17 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... that's cute now, it's pretty annoying when they grow up, trust me. I have a grown cat I sometimes stay overnight at his place, and he just loves to bite noses at 3am. |
| 15:15.30 | Grum | Lopeppeppy: urf that is harsh |
| 15:15.52 | Stanzilla | Grum: s/meap/meat/ but you dont want to see that :P |
| 15:15.54 | Grum | ours just run on the bed and headbutt you in the back |
| 15:16.39 | nicoli_s | my kitties drool when they love too much |
| 15:17.00 | Grum | we had one of those O.o |
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| 15:17.19 | Grum | but, whatever you do, if you ever get cats make sure you get them from the very start |
| 15:17.22 | cogwheel | one of my kitties drools like that and then it tickles, so he shakes his head and gets it all over you |
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| 15:18.06 | Lopeppeppy | I'm waiting anxiously to introduce my two kitties face to face.... |
| 15:18.35 | Ackis | oh god yesterday I was petting my older cat and he was loving it (he was on my chest when I was laying in bed)... all of a sudden a huge drop of drool comes out of his mouth and lands on my chin lol |
| 15:19.07 | Stanzilla | nom nom nom |
| 15:19.20 | Grum | lick the pussy! |
| 15:19.24 | Ackis | ~lart grum |
| 15:19.24 | purl | puts on some milking gloves. "All right, now, grum, this won't hurt a bit...." |
| 15:19.46 | Shirik | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 15:20.14 | Grum | whooo go purl |
| 15:20.31 | Ackis | that is probably the most disturbing lart I've seen |
| 15:20.32 | Ackis | ~rlart |
| 15:20.33 | purl | pours gasoline all over Doow, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 15:20.48 | Grum | hehe |
| 15:20.54 | Grum | you wanted that lart yourself dont u? ;D |
| 15:22.27 | Ackis | ;) |
| 15:22.32 | Ackis | I've done a rlart before and gotten myself |
| 15:22.33 | Ackis | :P |
| 15:22.59 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Shirik. |
| 15:23.11 | durcyn | ~lart Ackis |
| 15:23.11 | purl | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at Ackis |
| 15:23.15 | durcyn | works better. |
| 15:23.53 | Ackis | :p |
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| 16:15.56 | Kaelten | or rather http://tinyurl.com/nqdcrm |
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| 16:16.40 | Lunessa | station, or like something. Whatever. |
| 16:16.40 | Ackis | spam |
| 16:16.52 | Lopeppeppy | Fraction of a price, until he wears out his cd unit. |
| 16:16.56 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, lunessa. *hug* |
| 16:17.14 | Kaelten | Lopeppeppy: hehe, true, but if he's like me there's enough of those sitting around that a few won't be missed |
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| 16:17.44 | Lopeppeppy | I only have one. *sniff sniff* |
| 16:18.50 | Kaelten | hugs Lopeppeppy |
| 16:19.05 | Shirik | hugs Lopeppeppy |
| 16:19.09 | Shirik | one what? |
| 16:19.18 | Cruciformer | Shirik: wowinterface is your baby right? |
| 16:19.24 | Shirik | uh |
| 16:19.42 | Shirik | ... what exactly are you asking :/ |
| 16:20.00 | Cruciformer | you di the coding and web stuff for it? |
| 16:20.01 | Lopeppeppy | One CD thingummie. |
| 16:20.04 | Shirik | no |
| 16:20.10 | Cruciformer | oh |
| 16:20.10 | Shirik | that's all Dolby |
| 16:20.25 | Cruciformer | but if I make a suggestion to you u talk to this dolby? |
| 16:20.30 | Shirik | sure |
| 16:20.36 | Shirik | but there's a better place to put it |
| 16:20.48 | Shirik | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=18 |
| 16:20.51 | Cruciformer | it would be nice if the download tracker thing kept a different tally for total downloads as well as downloads for each revision of the file. |
| 16:21.11 | Shirik | I actually think that's come up before |
| 16:21.51 | Zhinjio | agrees that that would be nice. |
| 16:22.07 | pompy | has brought that up before |
| 16:23.49 | Zhinjio | is, however, in no position to make demands on anyone's time. |
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| 16:37.49 | Kazie | Anyone here a wiz at dogtags? |
| 16:38.01 | durcyn | yeah. don't use dogtag. |
| 16:38.17 | Kazie | But i don't know how to make stuff in lua with pitbull hehe |
| 16:38.25 | durcyn | luatext is about seven times less shitty |
| 16:39.14 | Kazie | luatext? .. is that some sort of simplified lua code for the less gifted or is it just like pure lua ? |
| 16:39.38 | durcyn | it's shefki's replacement for LibDogTag in PB4. |
| 16:40.20 | Kazie | I guess, but that didn't exactly answer my question :) |
| 16:40.44 | durcyn | uh, it's simplified a bit. |
| 16:41.04 | Kazie | So if you don't know any lua you'd still have a slight chance of having a name show up? |
| 16:41.51 | Lopeppeppy | In theory, yup. |
| 16:42.04 | Lunessa | It's slightly simplified and about 7x faster. |
| 16:42.37 | Kazie | okay wow.. i just pulled out one from the dropdown. that's like .. 100 times more complicated than dogtags, amirite? :o |
| 16:43.20 | Kazie | Is there anywhere i can learn luatext in a step by step sorta way like Dogtags help? |
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| 16:45.28 | Lunessa | LuaTexts is basically doing most things in Lua. But the help file is probably not yet complete. :( |
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| 16:46.41 | Vangual | should be able to learn a lot from the examples in the luatexts thread on the forum |
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| 16:47.11 | Kazie | Okay, where do you say i find that thread? .. i would really like something that could explain to me what things like: cff%02x%02x%02x%s means :) |
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| 16:49.34 | Lunessa | that looks like a pattern that is being matched/searched for. |
| 16:50.00 | nicoli_s | its searching for a certain color i believe |
| 16:50.24 | nicoli_s | the %02x means its catching a 2 digit hexadecimal number |
| 16:50.42 | Lunessa | cff is the prefix for "color" |
| 16:50.55 | Vangual | essentially, a luatext is supposed to end in a "return pattern, someargument1, someargumentN" and will be handed over to the wow engine for combining at maximum speed |
| 16:51.55 | Vangual | thread's here btw: http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=16955 |
| 16:54.06 | Kazie | wow.. i think i got my evening cut out for me if i am to learn a little piece of this :) |
| 16:54.13 | Vangual | so to display a name it'd be something along 'return "%s", UnitName(unit)' |
| 16:54.43 | Kazie | What does %s mean exactly? |
| 16:54.50 | Vangual | insert-string-here |
| 16:55.42 | Vangual | nicoli_s gave a good example of %02x above |
| 16:55.47 | Kazie | Right.. i'm already lost haha.. i think i'm gonna try to find the basics somewhere :) |
| 16:56.44 | Vangual | 'return "Hi %s",UnitName(unit)' would display 'Hi Somename' |
| 16:57.24 | Vangual | (i'm not actually sure if UnitName is actually valid, but I think so) |
| 16:57.32 | Kazie | so in mortal language %s would mean Hello %s(usewhatever comes now here) ? |
| 16:57.53 | Kazie | In that example ofc. |
| 16:59.19 | Vangual | the first string contains the pattern, all comma separated arguments are then replacing the percent-placeholders of the first string in their order listed |
| 17:00.14 | Vangual | so 'return "%s says hi to %s", "bob", "alice"' would return "bob says hi to alice" |
| 17:04.21 | Kazie | And that's all that %s does? .. in simply terms converting the following into text? |
| 17:05.36 | Lunessa | Kazie - it's a place holder basically. Those are often called "tokens" |
| 17:05.41 | Vangual | it's simply a placeholder so wow knows to replace %s with one of the values following |
| 17:05.51 | Lunessa | WoW uses %t for one for "target" |
| 17:06.43 | Kazie | I really got some stuff to read up on, let alone understanding this to replace dogtags hehe |
| 17:07.04 | Lopeppeppy | Anything powerful is rarely easy. |
| 17:07.04 | Kazie | Is there any limitations of what is working in LuaText so far? |
| 17:07.26 | Vangual | the only limit is your mind (well note really but close to :P) |
| 17:07.41 | Kazie | Okay, so i can't go very far haha |
| 17:07.54 | Lopeppeppy | The more you read, the more you grow. Reading Rainbow. |
| 17:08.06 | kdtresh | butterfly in the sky? |
| 17:08.17 | Lopeppeppy | They've canceled it, I'm very sad. |
| 17:08.23 | Lunessa | And the best thing about LuaTexts in the new PB4 is that it's FAST and lowers the AddOns overhead significantly. |
| 17:08.24 | Vangual | I do think it currently can't keep state, so you can't refer to what was in the textblock last time etc, but that may not actually be true |
| 17:09.02 | Kazie | Fast is always nice :) as long as my head can keep up lol |
| 17:10.50 | kdtresh | i always think geordi's missing his visor when i see old reading rainbow episodes |
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| 17:13.09 | dardack | how can i test if another addon is present? like I wrote a lootwhatiwant mod, that I wasn't playing nice with mobinfo2, but i have added code to my mod that will now correctly update MI2, but i want to test to make sure it's present first |
| 17:13.30 | kdtresh | i use if AddonName then |
| 17:14.08 | dardack | ok wasn't sure if that worked or not |
| 17:14.51 | kdtresh | one way to find out... |
| 17:15.24 | dardack | yea testing now |
| 17:15.30 | kdtresh | throw your stuff in an if addonname then do a else b end, disable the addon, and see if you get a or b |
| 17:15.34 | kdtresh | or a big ugly error |
| 17:20.17 | Kazie | What does and underscore "_" mean in lua? |
| 17:20.20 | Kazie | an* |
| 17:20.38 | dardack | okf if (MobInfo2) then doesn't work |
| 17:21.57 | Seerah | that only works if the variable MobInfo2 exists and is a global |
| 17:22.04 | durcyn | IsAddOnLoaded("MobInfo2") |
| 17:22.10 | Seerah | do if IsAddOn... yeah that |
| 17:22.33 | durcyn | which you might have to OptDep to get to work reliably |
| 17:23.18 | dardack | OptDep? |
| 17:23.35 | Seerah | depends on when his code is run |
| 17:23.49 | dardack | loot events |
| 17:24.02 | dardack | my loot what i want mod needs total access to either skip items, or delete items after looting |
| 17:24.09 | Seerah | you're going to check for MI2 on every loot event? ;) |
| 17:24.20 | dardack | oh |
| 17:24.22 | dardack | right |
| 17:24.24 | dardack | duh |
| 17:25.12 | Kaso | ~seen foxlit |
| 17:25.16 | purl | foxlit <n=foxlit@0x573e6bae.alb2nxx18.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 21h 1m 1s ago, saying: 'There's also http://www.wowwiki.com/Global_functions'. |
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| 17:28.02 | malreth | http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/1741354,CST-NWS-lighter29.article |
| 17:29.19 | malreth | finally... i get to use this: http://bit.ly/facepaw |
| 17:30.07 | Kazie | How do you print simple letters or text with LuaText? .. like 'L' in dogtags?? |
| 17:32.39 | dardack | ok so local MI2_Present = IsAddOnLoaded("MobInfo2") must fire before MI2 is loaded |
| 17:32.53 | dardack | maybe cause my mod is an L name, how woudl i resolve this |
| 17:33.34 | durcyn | register for the ADDON_LOADED event and check args |
| 17:33.55 | dardack | thanks durcyn |
| 17:35.34 | Lunessa | malreth: srsly |
| 17:36.53 | malreth | Lunessa: inorite! |
| 17:37.17 | Ackis | Her: "You seem happy! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?" Me: "I just got back to my desk after pooping" Her: "Good reason." |
| 17:38.08 | Ackis | now, do I do work, work on ARL or update resume? |
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| 17:38.40 | durcyn | update your resume |
| 17:38.45 | Lunessa | Ackis: Your obsession with bodily functions and body parts makes you an ideal candidate for the position of "touring stand up comic in low-rent clubs" |
| 17:38.46 | durcyn | if i was your boss i would've fired you years ago |
| 17:39.33 | Ackis | Lunessa: I wouldn't call it an obsession, I'm just down to earth. Everybody poops. |
| 17:39.38 | cogwheel | I was at a birthday party and the hostess was opening a bottle of lighter fluid with the hand that was also holding a cigarette... |
| 17:39.49 | Lunessa | Sounds like you've been reading kid's books... |
| 17:40.02 | Lunessa | cogwheel: /FACEPALM |
| 17:40.41 | cogwheel | luckily we were all already staring at her 'cause she was making a big deal about not knowing how to barbecue >< |
| 17:40.55 | Seerah | natural selection |
| 17:41.16 | durcyn | i would've just taken a few steps back tbh |
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| 17:41.59 | Lunessa | Baiscally, I see that as two things - a) natural selection, b) free entertainment. |
| 17:42.04 | cogwheel | i mentioned something, everyone had a good laugh, and then she started squirting the fluid onto the coals... and squirting... and squirting... eventually someone else took over |
| 17:42.44 | Seerah | huggles Lunessa |
| 17:43.17 | Lunessa | huggles Seerah and asks for a "Vehicle Seat Indicator" mover for pocket plot. :) |
| 17:43.24 | Seerah | update :P |
| 17:43.31 | alestane | Dare I ask what I've walked into... |
| 17:44.32 | End | alestane: coals is kind of a give away though |
| 17:44.34 | cogwheel | alestane: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/124395 |
| 17:45.01 | Lunessa | ooooo! |
| 17:45.56 | Seerah | huggles Lunessa again |
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| 17:50.15 | Cruciformer | cogwheel: a cigarette wont light lighter fluid, needs a naked flame. Just like u can throw a lit cigarette into a bowl of gasoline and all it will do it make the smoke go out, it wont like the gas. |
| 17:50.18 | Lunessa | It didn't matter to me until I got my Chopper. :) |
| 17:51.25 | Lunessa | Cruciformer: Yes, but a lit cigaret will ignite any of it that aerosolizes (fumes) so it's best not to be foolish and take risks. |
| 17:52.03 | Cruciformer | I sincerely doubt teh coal at the end of a smoke is enough to ignite the fumes. its a lot harder to light things with a cig than you think. |
| 17:52.30 | Cruciformer | the fumes usually need a naked flame too, or extreme heat, which a cigarette coal wont provide. |
| 17:52.31 | cbreak | you just need the right mixture of oxygen and fuel |
| 17:52.36 | cbreak | to cause a reaction |
| 17:52.54 | DWSR | 30%? |
| 17:52.58 | DWSR | I can't remember the magic number. |
| 17:53.07 | Cruciformer | I know but I highly dount you will GEt enough oxygen mixed to light it with a smoke. anyway. |
| 17:53.42 | NightHawkTheSane | a cigarette "probably" wont light lighter fluid, or fumes. But there's such a thing as being "careful" and "not inviting disaster^WHilarity" |
| 17:54.52 | Cruciformer | omg I dont know what they did to it but this is the most disgusting pizza Ive ever had. |
| 17:54.56 | Cruciformer | its SWEET! |
| 17:55.11 | Cruciformer | who on earth can eat a SWEET pizaa. its disgusting. |
| 17:55.19 | Cruciformer | especially since its their "all meat" pizza |
| 17:55.23 | NightHawkTheSane | depending on the exact taste, i would |
| 17:56.02 | Cruciformer | pizzas have a moral obligation to be all meaty, cheesy and savoury |
| 17:56.18 | Cruciformer | anything elseis frankly not a pizza but random crap on round dough |
| 17:56.35 | NightHawkTheSane | I prefer my food without morals, actually |
| 17:56.46 | NightHawkTheSane | It's very difficult to eat something that thinks its evil to do so. |
| 17:57.05 | Cruciformer | u need that cown like in restuarant at the end of the universe then |
| 17:57.16 | Cruciformer | *cow |
| 17:58.06 | alestane | I have had decent pizzas that were sweet, but generally regard the savory ones as more satisfying. |
| 17:58.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Indeed. That's where we need to be going in terms of genetic engineering. :P |
| 17:58.39 | Cruciformer | i wonder if they'll make a second movie since DNA died |
| 17:58.43 | Lunessa | The sauces from Pappa John's pizza is generally sweeter (more sugar and basil) than most others. |
| 17:59.04 | Cruciformer | yeah i think its the base sauce on this pizza, sweet bbq |
| 17:59.11 | Cruciformer | I just red teh menu more closely. |
| 17:59.12 | Cruciformer | ick. |
| 17:59.15 | Cruciformer | *read |
| 18:00.28 | NightHawkTheSane | DNA died like 4 years before the movie was released.. so IF they were going to make another, I don't imagine his still being dead would be a huge problem. Though i hope they don't. |
| 18:00.46 | Cruciformer | I thought he died right at the end of production |
| 18:01.00 | Lunessa | Please, don't. The movie version was horrid and un-funny. |
| 18:01.17 | Cruciformer | I dunno it was cute. Alan rickman as marvin was brilliant. |
| 18:01.30 | Cruciformer | and how they made such a cheerful looking robot seem so depressed was brilliant. |
| 18:01.49 | Cruciformer | i use the word brilliant too much |
| 18:01.54 | alestane | It would have been a better movie had there not been such an excellent book to compare it to. |
| 18:02.00 | Lunessa | Alan Rickman is brilliant. The movie was still a festering pile of monkey fecees. |
| 18:02.02 | NightHawkTheSane | ^ |
| 18:02.10 | NightHawkTheSane | er, i meant that to alestane's comment |
| 18:02.28 | Cruciformer | alestane: its impossible to live up to the book though. Considering that though, they did as good as job as you could hope for. |
| 18:02.32 | NightHawkTheSane | Taken on its own, I could enjoy the movie. But it kinda pales in comparison to most of the other incarnations |
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| 18:03.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: also, alan rickman is pretty much always brilliant :P |
| 18:03.11 | durcyn | my only substantial complaint about the movie is the complete lack of proper british humor, the screenwriter should die cold and alone, and soon. |
| 18:03.21 | Cruciformer | kinda like LOTR. No way a movie, no matter how long and boring, could eve match the majesty of the written word, but they did as good a job as possible. |
| 18:03.34 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Alan Rickman is awesome. If I was a woman, I'd do him. |
| 18:03.48 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: totally. |
| 18:04.00 | durcyn | actually, he should be dead already. |
| 18:04.35 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn: yeah, thats definitely one of it's failings |
| 18:06.18 | Cruciformer | clearly u did not pay enough attention to the opening song |
| 18:06.22 | NightHawkTheSane | grumbles and wants snow leopard. :( |
| 18:06.38 | Cruciformer | it was dry and hilarious |
| 18:09.37 | Cloudwolf | lol pax sold out.... |
| 18:09.39 | Cloudwolf | thats not right |
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| 18:12.39 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, its completely sold out now? :\ |
| 18:13.16 | NightHawkTheSane | thats kinda crazy |
| 18:15.06 | Kraps | what is? |
| 18:15.27 | ScytheBlade1 | !g penny arcade expo |
| 18:15.27 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: Penny Arcade Expo 2009 <http://www.paxsite.com/> |
| 18:15.43 | alestane | So, it looks like Weaponsmithing and Armorsmithing specialties do almost nothing for you in Lich King, or am I missing something? |
| 18:16.23 | DWSR | no, they don't. |
| 18:16.40 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: you're not missing anything |
| 18:16.48 | NightHawkTheSane | it's the same for all of the specializations |
| 18:17.00 | Cloudwolf | nighthawk they have the entire bloody event center this year and they sold out of all their 3day fri sat and sun 1 day passes |
| 18:17.11 | Cloudwolf | not a single pass left for pickup at the door if you havn't preorderd |
| 18:17.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Cloudwolf: yeah, i just read that |
| 18:17.35 | Cloudwolf | that made my decision of going this year easy... |
| 18:18.02 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, general rule for any con is that you register at least 3-4 months ahead of time if you have -any- intention of going. |
| 18:18.54 | Cloudwolf | past 3 years ive gone i just gto tickets at the door :P |
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| 18:19.33 | NightHawkTheSane | and you expected that to be possible indefinitely? :P |
| 18:19.35 | DWSR | shiishii |
| 18:19.58 | Shirik | icu |
| 18:20.03 | Cloudwolf | i wasn't expecting them to sell out this year dind't think THAT many people would buy tickets... |
| 18:20.04 | DWSR | nou |
| 18:20.23 | Cloudwolf | espeicaly when they almsot doubled how much space they got |
| 18:20.32 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, its been growing in size very steadily |
| 18:21.10 | NightHawkTheSane | given the fact that they started selling out of 3-day passes, what a month ago? i'm not too surprised |
| 18:21.13 | Cloudwolf | not enough free swag any more tho D: |
| 18:21.32 | Lunessa | alestane: You're not missing anything - the specializations were discussed at BlizzCon during a Q&A panel, and the panelists said they decided that those were essentially too limiting and they didn't want to force crafting into those molds anymore. |
| 18:22.02 | Cloudwolf | aka they are lazy |
| 18:22.28 | NightHawkTheSane | hardly |
| 18:22.31 | Cloudwolf | too much work to create recipes that are nice for each one that makes it worth taking one or the other... |
| 18:22.51 | Cloudwolf | nighthawkthesane im tlaking about the armor vs weapon smith |
| 18:23.18 | Kraps | Cloudwolf has a point, look at alchemy |
| 18:23.21 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, and i think it's entirely incorrect to say it's laziness |
| 18:23.57 | Cloudwolf | lack of interest?.... |
| 18:24.15 | Shirik | oh my lord |
| 18:24.18 | Shirik | worst webpage ever |
| 18:24.24 | Cloudwolf | link? |
| 18:24.24 | Shirik | wtb web designers that know IE is shit |
| 18:24.29 | Shirik | https://www.digilentinc.com/Cart/Checkout.cfm?NavTop=106 |
| 18:24.35 | NightHawkTheSane | o/ |
| 18:24.42 | DWSR | \o/ |
| 18:25.07 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.15 | Shirik | -o- |
| 18:25.19 | NightHawkTheSane | then again, by "know ie is shit" do you mean "write standards-compliant html/css and ie be damned"? because that's what i mean |
| 18:25.26 | DWSR | nOn |
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| 18:25.54 | Kraps | our website is built for ie6 |
| 18:26.02 | Kraps | and up |
| 18:29.15 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane, I advise people try to make it work for IE |
| 18:29.21 | Shirik | however, making it work ONLY in IE is unacceptable |
| 18:29.31 | NightHawkTheSane | well, thats a given :P |
| 18:29.41 | NightHawkTheSane | but you kinda have to fuck up pretty badly to do that |
| 18:29.52 | Shirik | they managed to do it |
| 18:30.02 | NightHawkTheSane | well, never underestimate idiocy |
| 18:30.18 | Shirik | they are lucky in my case |
| 18:30.21 | Shirik | I HAVE to buy from them |
| 18:30.30 | Shirik | but if I didn't, I would have instantly turned around and found a competitor |
| 18:31.07 | NightHawkTheSane | why do you HAVE to buy from them? |
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| 18:36.29 | Shirik | because I was told to :P |
| 18:36.39 | Shirik | welcome to the wonderful world of obsessive professors |
| 18:37.01 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.switched.com/2009/08/26/man-uses-linux-and-cd-tray-to-rock-baby-to-sleep/ |
| 18:37.01 | Shirik | Hm, Verilog is a bit more intelligent than I thought it was |
| 18:37.06 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane == slow |
| 18:37.16 | NightHawkTheSane | :( |
| 18:37.25 | kd3 | meh. work's intranet requires ie6 due to some ie6-specific hacks it depends on |
| 18:37.33 | kd3 | sighs |
| 18:38.00 | Shirik | ok, verilog isn't smart anymore |
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| 18:38.30 | Lunessa | I hate that here we go by "If it works in IE6 it's fine" - it makes me insane. |
| 18:38.43 | Shirik | WARNING:Xst:1464 - "EqualityTest.v" line 28: Exactly equal expression will be synthesized as an equal expression, simulation mismatch is possible. <-- Reasonable warning. It's telling me "I'm going to optimize this circuit, so the simulator might do something different than RL" |
| 18:39.00 | alestane | IE6 needs to die. Swftly. |
| 18:39.03 | Shirik | WARNING:Xst:864 - "EqualityTest.v" line 28: Comparisons to 'X' or 'Z' are treated as always false. <-- Stupid warning. It's basically saying "I optimized it wrong, FYI" |
| 18:39.41 | Kraps | kd3: the internal database of orders at my work doesnt work with firefox |
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| 18:43.32 | kd3 | regex question since I'm stumped... I'm trying to match [[Quest:Foo|Foo]] but not [[Quest:Foo|Bar]] or [[Quest:Foo]]. was trying something like "\[\[Quest:(.*?)\|\\1]]" but no go |
| 18:44.07 | Kraps | lol at the "MARVEL = HANNA MONTANA NOW!!!!!" people |
| 18:44.30 | End | people forgets how much disney already owns |
| 18:44.33 | End | forget* |
| 18:44.40 | alestane | Lua doesn't support full regex capabilities...you may need to use a recognition function or something. |
| 18:44.47 | kd3 | this is in python |
| 18:45.32 | nicoli_s | disney owns all |
| 18:45.39 | End | touchstone and mirimax come to mind |
| 18:45.45 | Lunessa | Disney - Quietly owning your childhood since 1963... |
| 18:45.49 | End | miramax? I can't spell today |
| 18:45.55 | Shirik | lua> 3750 + 7430 + 3687 |
| 18:45.56 | lua_bot | Shirik: 14867 |
| 18:46.01 | Shirik | I think my school doesn't know how to do math |
| 18:46.06 | Lunessa | And Orion pictures too. |
| 18:46.11 | NightHawkTheSane | disney owns your soul. also your MOM. |
| 18:46.31 | Shirik | I have three awards listed under financial aid: Graduate tuition waiver for $7430, stafford loan for $3750, and graduate stipend for $3687 |
| 18:46.40 | Shirik | Term Total$11,117.00 |
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| 18:47.07 | alestane | durcyn: Package made it to Chelmsford. I should see it tomorrow. |
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| 18:47.25 | nevcairiel | Shirik: kinda funny that its exactly the value of two of the positions .. maybe you mis-interpret something ? =P |
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| 18:47.45 | Shirik | If I'm mis-interpreting something, it's a stupid design |
| 18:47.49 | Shirik | who the hell puts 3 numbers in a colum |
| 18:47.54 | Shirik | then total underneath it |
| 18:47.57 | Shirik | and have it NOT be the total |
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| 18:49.01 | Lunessa | accountants for the IRS? |
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| 18:49.39 | Shirik | .... |
| 18:49.41 | Shirik | I see what happened |
| 18:49.55 | Shirik | One of the terms is called "Fall 2009 Semester" and one of them is called "Fall, 2009 Semester" |
| 18:50.02 | Shirik | so the system doesn't consider them the same term... |
| 18:50.38 | Shirik | why can't they just use a professional solution instead of trying to come up with their own magicsaurce |
| 18:50.53 | kd3 | NIH started in academia? |
| 18:51.04 | nicoli_s | what software is this, what you use to register for classes? |
| 18:51.12 | Shirik | no, it's the financial aid software |
| 18:51.19 | nicoli_s | ahh |
| 18:51.27 | Shirik | but the software we use to register for classes is equally horriblre |
| 18:51.37 | Shirik | in fact, I have never gotten into a semester entirely using that software |
| 18:51.42 | Shirik | I have always been blocked out for one reason or another |
| 18:52.05 | nevcairiel | they just dont want you there! |
| 18:52.10 | nicoli_s | we have this software called banner, it works alright |
| 18:52.11 | Shirik | My favorite part is how it now considers me as "Standing: Graduate" despite the fact that I do not in fact have a degree |
| 18:52.39 | Lunessa | Shirik: MagicSauce tastes better when you make your own. Or else you can't justify having a team of DBAs and programmers on staff. :P |
| 18:52.48 | alestane | Any degree? |
| 18:52.55 | Shirik | no degree |
| 18:53.40 | alestane | But what program are you enrolled in? |
| 18:53.43 | nicoli_s | my school does the same thing, sends me constant stuff about what to do after i graduated despite not graduating |
| 18:53.59 | Shirik | we call it the "5 year program" despite nobody I know does it in 5 years |
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| 18:54.23 | Shirik | it allows you to get your B.S. and Master's simultaneously |
| 18:54.45 | Shirik | I guess that's why it's confused |
| 18:54.51 | Shirik | still I think it's amusing |
| 18:54.59 | kd3 | ...but, but I already have a B.S in BS. we get a piece of paper saying that now? |
| 18:55.09 | kd3 | calls his registrar |
| 18:55.36 | Lunessa | kd3: Better ask for the phd program too - 'cause you can pile it pretty high and deep. |
| 18:56.45 | Shirik | TC-Away: ping |
| 18:56.49 | Shirik | or anyone else that uses deviantart |
| 18:59.27 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, kinda pong |
| 18:59.48 | Shirik | you've used the print service; it used to be possible to upload a DIFFERENT picture (i.e., one that didn't have a watermark) for printing |
| 18:59.55 | Shirik | is it still possible to do that / where do I do it? |
| 19:04.40 | Thunder_Child | i have used the print service but i dont waternark my pictures |
| 19:04.47 | Thunder_Child | so i have never needed to look for that |
| 19:05.08 | Thunder_Child | watermark* |
| 19:06.04 | Shirik | it's tiny; not even noticable |
| 19:06.10 | Shirik | on mine |
| 19:07.16 | durcyn | alestane: spiffy |
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| 19:10.02 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, once you are in the prints page if you go to adjust image it gives you the option of uploading a larger image, that may do what you want |
| 19:10.30 | Shirik | yeah I'm wondering if that's what I want |
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| 19:10.36 | Shirik | it makes sense, but poorly named for what I want |
| 19:12.12 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, are you using deviant arts watermark? |
| 19:12.15 | Shirik | no |
| 19:12.22 | Shirik | it's not really even a watermar |
| 19:12.28 | Shirik | it's more like a textual overlay |
| 19:12.28 | Thunder_Child | hmm...if you were it might strip it automagicly |
| 19:12.43 | Shirik | yeah but I think that's kinda obtrusive, isn't it? |
| 19:12.53 | Shirik | I don't want it to affect how it looks |
| 19:12.55 | Thunder_Child | i think any watermark is obtrusive |
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| 19:14.15 | Shirik | you can't see mine |
| 19:14.21 | Shirik | if I didn't say it was there, you probably wouldn't know |
| 19:15.33 | roastx | ill show you mine if you show me yours |
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| 19:15.53 | Thunder_Child | but you cant see his |
| 19:16.08 | roastx | im sure he can show me! |
| 19:17.09 | Thunder_Child | no, i mean it's almost non-existant |
| 19:17.54 | roastx | i have an electron microscope for assistance |
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| 19:22.16 | Kraps | bring back cavemen and the gecko, the stack of money with the googly eyes suck |
| 19:22.26 | Shirik | have you looked for it Thunder_Child? |
| 19:22.38 | Thunder_Child | no Shirik, i dont care enough |
| 19:22.44 | Shirik | oh you seemed to know |
| 19:22.48 | Shirik | "i mean it's almost non-existant" |
| 19:22.56 | Thunder_Child | i was using inuendo |
| 19:23.17 | Thunder_Child | innuendo* |
| 19:23.47 | Shirik | I don't actually know what that means >.> |
| 19:24.13 | Thunder_Child | ~dict 1 innuendo |
| 19:24.36 | Sesshu | wtf |
| 19:25.19 | dardack | can i have a for loop count down instead of up? |
| 19:25.54 | Shirik | I still don't get it Thunder_Child :( |
| 19:26.06 | Shirik | how that is an innuendo :/ |
| 19:26.16 | Kraps | Mercury . . . owns it a marriage by an innuendo. |
| 19:26.18 | Kraps | wtf |
| 19:26.35 | Thunder_Child | it had to do with the other statment " ill show you mine if you show me yours" |
| 19:26.49 | Thunder_Child | that is usually a penis reference |
| 19:31.52 | nicoli_s | you didnt know what innuendo means before now? |
| 19:33.08 | Ackis | wow I tab in and I see penis talked about. Wicked |
| 19:34.52 | Thunder_Child | makes you feel all warm and tingly inside Ackis? |
| 19:35.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Every piece of gear that I have, is now terrible |
| 19:35.32 | ScytheBlade1 | That's depressing |
| 19:35.46 | Ackis | totally Thunder_Child |
| 19:35.58 | Lunessa | That's what happens when you take time off SBO - you get left behind. |
| 19:36.08 | ScytheBlade1 | I didn't even want to come back |
| 19:36.09 | ScytheBlade1 | -.- |
| 19:36.26 | Kraps | SBO? |
| 19:36.30 | Lunessa | But like any addiction, you couldn't help yourself. |
| 19:36.33 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 19:36.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Others bought me a gamecard |
| 19:36.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Without me asking for one |
| 19:36.51 | ScytheBlade1 | And then dropped it in my email, and said, "enjoy!" |
| 19:36.51 | ScytheBlade1 | -.- |
| 19:36.54 | Lunessa | And you felt obligated. |
| 19:37.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Kinda, yeah. |
| 19:37.06 | Shirik | Ok I just uploaded a new picture |
| 19:37.12 | Shirik | Favourites & Collections: 2 |
| 19:37.14 | Shirik | Views |
| 19:37.14 | Shirik | Total: 1 |
| 19:37.16 | Thunder_Child | Kraps, SBO = ScytheBlade1 |
| 19:37.17 | Shirik | ... what? |
| 19:37.35 | Thunder_Child | views is full vies isnt it? |
| 19:37.39 | Thunder_Child | views* |
| 19:37.41 | Shirik | is it? |
| 19:37.47 | Thunder_Child | i thought so |
| 19:37.51 | Shirik | maybe |
| 19:37.54 | Thunder_Child | unless it has it's own category |
| 19:38.08 | Shirik | makes sense |
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| 19:39.26 | Kraps | are any of you going to try Aion? |
| 19:39.39 | Shirik | a lot of people have been telling me to |
| 19:39.43 | Thunder_Child | there is an open beta on the 6th isnt there? |
| 19:39.55 | Shirik | I don't want to, it seems like it would be deterimental to my time |
| 19:40.26 | nicoli_s | i will be |
| 19:40.32 | nicoli_s | aion is pretty good imho |
| 19:41.01 | Shirik | Thunder_Child, did they break the "Full View Featured Deviation" widget... |
| 19:41.24 | Kraps | TC: I'd rather not go into a beta |
| 19:41.38 | Shirik | "Full view cannot be chosen for that deviation. Full view images must be smaller than 900px by 900px." |
| 19:41.41 | Shirik | It used to just shrink it... |
| 19:41.52 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, no idea |
| 19:41.58 | Thunder_Child | Kraps, better than paying for it |
| 19:42.17 | Kraps | TC: free trial? |
| 19:42.21 | Shirik | well yeah |
| 19:42.23 | Shirik | it's open beta... |
| 19:42.25 | Shirik | == free |
| 19:42.28 | Thunder_Child | assuming they have one |
| 19:42.37 | Shirik | oh I see what you mean |
| 19:43.14 | Kraps | TC: hoping there is one |
| 19:45.59 | Fisker | trial for what? |
| 19:46.49 | nicoli_s | aion |
| 19:47.38 | Shirik | tries Fisker |
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| 19:52.33 | alestane | II have trouble taking seriously a quest called "Mr. Floppy's Perilous Adventure." |
| 19:53.17 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 19:53.30 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah? How about Disney buying Marvel? That's likely to result in "Wolverine in Neverland" or something else vile. |
| 19:55.29 | nicoli_s | i think Wolverine Vs mickey would be cooler |
| 19:55.39 | Kraps | i used to have a crush on wendy |
| 19:55.47 | Kraps | i suck |
| 19:55.56 | nicoli_s | but disney can do some cool stuff, kingdom hearts turned out cool |
| 19:55.58 | Lunessa | Actually, if Disney bought Marvel the likely result is... nothing. Disney doesn't like to meddle in companies that make money. |
| 19:56.23 | alestane | ^ |
| 19:57.19 | Lopeppeppy | I hope so, I really do, because I'm just picturing a soft cuddly Wolverine walking around Disney, taking photos with kiddies.... ugh, just ugh. |
| 19:57.25 | Lunessa | They started Touchstone pictures after "Dragon Slayer" pointed out to them a) they could make money on "non-kiddie" themed stuff, and b) they needed to not call it a "Disney" movie to protect their branding. |
| 19:58.25 | Lunessa | Dragon Slayer cause all kinds of trouble for Disney 'cause there was ZOMG NAKED WOMAN in it. |
| 19:58.55 | Lopeppeppy | Which is totally why it couldn't be a "Disney" movie. Walt would roll over in his grave and cause earthquakes |
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| 20:00.29 | End | And touchstone is just one of the things disney owns :P |
| 20:00.44 | End | marven is probably just another (soon to be) property to them |
| 20:00.49 | End | er, marvel |
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| 20:05.31 | Lunessa | I suspect that is the case, much like Pixar is. |
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| 20:05.48 | NightHawkTheSane | are we still talking about stuff disney owns? :P |
| 20:06.16 | Thunder_Child | it's a long list |
| 20:07.05 | Lunessa | I think Disney will one day own all of Los Angeles, which they'll get on the cheap when Universal decides it's not a profit-making venture for them any longer. |
| 20:09.09 | kd3 | or the fire that just doubled in size will wipe it out |
| 20:10.19 | Lunessa | That would be a shame. I like LA. I should move back there. |
| 20:10.19 | Lopeppeppy | Volcano out of nowhere, wipes it out. |
| 20:10.25 | Kraps | like the marvel rides in universal park |
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| 20:12.30 | Lunessa | LA is pleasant to live in, if only for the weather. |
| 20:12.42 | durcyn | s/if// |
| 20:13.26 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa....it's been 95+ for the last week... |
| 20:13.32 | the-golem | lol |
| 20:13.33 | kd3 | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/californians_gather_to_celebrate |
| 20:13.39 | Lunessa | Yeah man, but it's a dry heat! |
| 20:13.45 | Thunder_Child | i dont want ANY heat |
| 20:13.46 | the-golem | LA + pleasant, in the same sentence? |
| 20:14.06 | Gnarfoz | outmoded temperature scales, too |
| 20:16.29 | Kraps | "its 20 below zero, Celsius or Fahrenheit doesnt matter, its cold |
| 20:17.01 | Lunessa | The whole time I was there, the weather was fantastic. |
| 20:17.32 | Shirik | you know what |
| 20:17.34 | Shirik | screw HDR |
| 20:18.05 | alestane | Lunessa: Because you randomly seem to acquire computer parts from time to time, and you weren't here when I acquired this creature...let me know if you somehow randomly acquire a Core Duo (NOT Core 2) Yonah processor that you don't need? |
| 20:18.45 | Lunessa | alestane: I'd be happy to, but that's a pretty unlikely occurance since 90% of my junk is AMD |
| 20:19.02 | Shirik | I think after 30 tries, I finally got a good HDR picture |
| 20:19.36 | alestane | I got a used Core Solo Mini, and I'm told it's upgradable if one simply has the rigth processor. |
| 20:21.13 | durcyn | depending on the socket, yes |
| 20:21.21 | durcyn | oh, Mini as in mac |
| 20:21.38 | durcyn | i replaced one of those a while back, the T series c2ds aren't cheap, is the only thing. |
| 20:22.09 | alestane | I found some on eBay for about $100. |
| 20:22.22 | durcyn | i think i paid close to triple that new |
| 20:22.24 | alestane | But it's tough because everything's Core 2 now. |
| 20:22.49 | durcyn | but it wasn't a total waste, as i was able to put the old chip in a mini-itx board |
| 20:23.12 | alestane | But it's not urgent. It already outperforms my G4 mini in most regards and the memory will clinch that tomorrow. |
| 20:26.21 | Shirik | ccox, you around? |
| 20:26.28 | ccox | yes |
| 20:26.47 | Lunessa | I need to get RAM for my Vista box. 2gb is not enough. |
| 20:26.52 | Shirik | can you explain to me how, while doing an HDR with what appears to be no red in the entire picture |
| 20:27.00 | Shirik | I managed to get red in random spots? |
| 20:28.12 | Shirik | I'll show you an example |
| 20:28.47 | Shirik | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/7c4e736070aa320ac41be11e8ee8cd7c.png |
| 20:28.49 | Shirik | wtf is that |
| 20:28.56 | ccox | ghosting |
| 20:29.07 | Kraps | oh i wanted to ask: any of you trying windows 7? |
| 20:29.19 | Shirik | what is ghosting? |
| 20:29.23 | ccox | the original exposures differ, so the original luminance can't be reconstructed |
| 20:29.35 | cbreak | Shirik: context? |
| 20:29.36 | ccox | it's more obvioius when you you shoot a scene with people moving through it |
| 20:29.44 | cbreak | in 3d cinema it's the appearance of cross talk |
| 20:29.46 | ccox | or leaves moving on a plant |
| 20:29.55 | Shirik | so it's because the water moved |
| 20:29.56 | cbreak | for example in alaglyph or polarized screen projections |
| 20:30.01 | ccox | Shirik: yes |
| 20:30.07 | Thunder_Child | Kraps, yes |
| 20:30.14 | Shirik | and I thought I finally had a good picture |
| 20:30.17 | Shirik | after like 30 merges |
| 20:30.19 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:30.29 | ccox | HDR works by assuming that the pixels have the same illumination in all exposures, and reconstructing the original illumination |
| 20:30.31 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: how does it compare to vista? |
| 20:30.36 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN! |
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| 20:30.57 | Thunder_Child | Kraps, better, but it seems to be more incremental than jaw dropping |
| 20:31.00 | ccox | if the contents of the scene change between exposures, that assumption is violated, and the reconstruction goes haywire |
| 20:31.07 | Shirik | Kraps: I like it |
| 20:31.13 | cbreak | you can do single exposure hdr, with good hardware |
| 20:31.23 | Shirik | that doesn't... make any sense |
| 20:31.46 | ccox | shirik - you're trying to reconstruct a signal from samples |
| 20:31.48 | Shirik | (@ cbreak not ccox) |
| 20:31.54 | ccox | oh, sorry |
| 20:32.09 | ccox | cbreak - right now, cameras are limited to about 16 bits/pixel best case |
| 20:32.18 | cbreak | yeah |
| 20:32.20 | Shirik | I think mine is 12 :( |
| 20:32.28 | ccox | cbreak - there are a few specialty cameras that do single exposure HDR, but low res |
| 20:32.37 | ccox | cbreak - mostly they're sold as security cameras |
| 20:32.54 | cbreak | the end result is 8bit per pixel per channel |
| 20:32.58 | ccox | cbreak - and all of them have their share of problems (signal/noise, can't deal with movement, etc.) |
| 20:33.14 | cbreak | most cameras have a bayer pattern though |
| 20:33.35 | Shirik | sorry, 14-bit |
| 20:33.56 | ccox | nobody has come up with a good single-shot HDR sensor yet (at least they haven't published it :-) |
| 20:34.42 | cbreak | a few years ago I heard some praise of foveon sensors |
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| 20:34.59 | cbreak | that work without color interpolation |
| 20:35.01 | ccox | foveon - neat idea, but bad noise, low resolution |
| 20:35.17 | ccox | and they went without an anti-aliasing filter to artificially increase their sharpness |
| 20:35.28 | ccox | which lead to nyquist artifacts |
| 20:35.46 | cbreak | fun :) |
| 20:35.51 | ccox | I love their ads where part of the model's skin shows pores and part doesn't |
| 20:36.10 | cbreak | depht of field maybe? :) |
| 20:36.21 | ccox | nope, sampling theory strikes |
| 20:43.04 | mikma | is "Ally McBeal" 'Trademarks and Intellectual Property' |
| 20:43.23 | mikma | i reported "Pallymcbeal" name and got a reply "it's perfectly fine" from gm |
| 20:44.00 | mikma | now i'm planning on finding their rules and showing them it has two parts, 'pally' 'mcbeal' and that it might be a trademark name from fox |
| 20:44.23 | durcyn | that's a pretty sizable bug you have up your ass if that's the only reason you reported it |
| 20:44.29 | Esamynn | mikma: just curious, why do you care? |
| 20:44.37 | durcyn | just be glad it doesn't have accented characers and get on with your life? |
| 20:44.41 | durcyn | +t |
| 20:44.49 | Shirik | sweet |
| 20:44.52 | Shirik | "Users with your role do not have personal grades." |
| 20:44.59 | Esamynn | O_o |
| 20:45.02 | nevcairiel | Shirik is broken again |
| 20:45.07 | mikma | esamynn: i'm a naming nazi |
| 20:45.14 | Esamynn | ~lart mikma |
| 20:45.14 | purl | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at mikma |
| 20:45.14 | Shirik | I think they have me registered as the instructor for all my classes |
| 20:45.17 | Shirik | including the ones I'm tkaing |
| 20:45.19 | Shirik | taking |
| 20:45.22 | mikma | ~dodge esamynn |
| 20:45.23 | purl | at the last second mikma dodges out of the way of esamynn's malicious and unprovoked attack. |
| 20:45.34 | Esamynn | ~bzfrag mikma |
| 20:45.34 | purl | ACTION kills mikma with a shot from his BZTank |
| 20:45.53 | Esamynn | Shirik: lol, nice |
| 20:45.54 | mikma | do i really need to go ~dodge BZTank |
| 20:46.12 | Esamynn | mikma: you fail at bot wars, the one you want is ~bzshield |
| 20:46.34 | mikma | esamynn: nerd-crap, you fail by mentioning that! |
| 20:46.49 | Esamynn | ~fishslap mikma |
| 20:46.50 | purl | ACTION slaps mikma up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 20:47.12 | mikma | OH MY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD! esamynn JUST FISKERED ME! |
| 20:47.23 | Esamynn | ... |
| 20:50.22 | ccox | Shirik: well, I hope you gave yourself a passing grade |
| 20:51.19 | Lunessa | ponders which rep to painfully grind after finishing Steamwheedle Cartel to get his last 4 Exalted reps for "Exalted" |
| 20:52.27 | Aelobin | can you buy furious for conquest next season? |
| 20:52.46 | Aelobin | Lunessa: shendra'lar lolol |
| 20:52.54 | Esamynn | ROFL |
| 20:53.01 | Lunessa | That's worse than painful. |
| 20:53.11 | Esamynn | heard someone did it |
| 20:53.24 | Aelobin | several people will have done it for the "Insane" title |
| 20:53.34 | Aelobin | but it's still more painful than... |
| 20:54.06 | Esamynn | more painful than Wild Hammer, when that rep was still around |
| 20:54.08 | Aelobin | but yeh, anyone know if you can buy furious with conquest next season? :P |
| 20:54.10 | Lunessa | It's horrifically painful. I'm skipping Insane because I already have too much invested in Steamwheedle |
| 20:54.31 | Aelobin | Lunessa: done Zandalar tribe? |
| 20:54.46 | Esamynn | I keep meaning to go finish Zandalar |
| 20:54.59 | Shirik | Dude, I don't know wtf my school is doing |
| 20:55.17 | Esamynn | Shirik: do you know where your car is? |
| 20:55.28 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure I'm the instructor for all my courses, and also not all my courses are online either. |
| 20:55.34 | Shirik | There are 8 sections for this one class I teach |
| 20:55.42 | Shirik | I see sections 4,5,7, and 8 |
| 20:55.51 | Shirik | now either someone doesn't know how to count or what |
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| 20:56.21 | Thunder_Child | you as a teacher? |
| 20:56.30 | Shirik | brb |
| 20:56.35 | Thunder_Child | well there goes the future of humanity |
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| 21:07.50 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: better than letting you teach :P |
| 21:08.49 | Thunder_Child | maybe |
| 21:12.18 | mikma | so, how long from start of WG is the queue? |
| 21:13.02 | kd3 | 15 minutes? |
| 21:14.32 | kdtresh | yes, queue opens 15 mins prior |
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| 21:36.51 | Kraps | twas brilling |
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| 22:09.25 | bleeter | brillig |
| 22:10.55 | Kraps | doh |
| 22:11.30 | bleeter | Kraps: s'okay, I wont tell anyone. just keep it between outselves ;) |
| 22:11.39 | Kraps | hehe |
| 22:13.16 | Kraps | why cant people use paragraphs? |
| 22:13.32 | Kraps | http://www.wowhead.com/?forums&topic=118370&p=1369672 |
| 22:13.38 | Thunder_Child | too much effort |
| 22:13.46 | kdtresh | basic grammar eludes most people, unfortunately. |
| 22:16.36 | Esamynn | is crit by wall of text |
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| 22:20.56 | wsoul | does it matter if your hit rating drops to 182 as a dps dk? according to elitestjerks it doesn't as long as you look after str/arp first |
| 22:22.13 | kdtresh | depends on what you're fighting and who with |
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| 22:22.38 | wsoul | naxx25/uldu 10 |
| 22:22.40 | kdtresh | and how much str you're talking about |
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| 22:23.30 | kdtresh | did you play around with the dummies? |
| 22:23.36 | wsoul | will i am using the pvpo wrist just for the hit rating |
| 22:24.13 | kdtresh | if you can get your ap up enough that the extra damage per attack is greater than the damage lost to misses, then it's a net plus |
| 22:24.27 | kdtresh | i guess arpen would figure in there too |
| 22:24.39 | bleeter | 3.2.2 tonight? just I've heard about some arena fixes that should happen if the new season starts this week |
| 22:24.41 | kdtresh | my dk is only 76, haven't spent much time worrying about it |
| 22:24.54 | kdtresh | and arpen isn't that great for pally, which i spent more time on |
| 22:24.58 | wsoul | aah right |
| 22:25.00 | bleeter | kinda got me wondering if they'd go 3.2.2 but w/o ony enabled |
| 22:25.01 | wsoul | will check this |
| 22:25.21 | wsoul | http://elitistjerks.com/f72/t61176-blood_simple_consolidated_blood_dk_dps_guide/ |
| 22:25.31 | wsoul | str/arp then everything else... |
| 22:26.41 | wsoul | 224 atm, mad dps ;) offspec too |
| 22:26.53 | wsoul | and by sunday i'll be getting greatness trinket |
| 22:27.32 | wsoul | would be great to get grim toll from naxx25 or the one from os25/ulduar 10 |
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| 22:48.30 | Yssaril | anyone know where i can find a devent program to dig through MPQ files? |
| 22:48.58 | nicoli_s | devent? |
| 22:49.06 | nicoli_s | what are you using now? |
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| 22:51.28 | Yssaril | decent lol |
| 22:51.41 | Yssaril | and i dont have one atm |
| 22:52.09 | nicoli_s | lets see, i use mywarcraftstudio 10.0 |
| 23:05.48 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/176332583 |
| 23:07.12 | roastx | addonstudio would be nice if it didnt crash every 2 seconds and horribly fuck up lua autocomplete |
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| 23:11.23 | Adys | http://qstuff.blogspot.com/2009/08/very-old-things-part-3.html |
| 23:12.23 | mikma | interesting stuff... not |
| 23:16.15 | Adys | you are intelligent... not |
| 23:16.21 | Adys | gee that was easy i should do it more often |
| 23:20.29 | mikma | funny... not |
| 23:20.46 | Lunessa | Whoa... did I just step back to 1992 in here or what? |
| 23:21.31 | bleeter | Xinhuan: I'm confused. Routes got updated on WoWInterface today, but it's the same version #? (1.2.7) |
| 23:24.54 | Esamynn | Lunessa: hmm? |
| 23:25.07 | Lunessa | "... not" jokes went out in the 90s. |
| 23:25.30 | mikma | torhal: is there a way of redrawing the LQT without hiding and showing it? |
| 23:26.25 | Esamynn | ahh |
| 23:26.46 | Esamynn | Lunessa: well, I guess that makes mikma a fossil then |
| 23:27.06 | mikma | useless ping detected |
| 23:27.22 | Lunessa | Pretty much, but if he's a fossil, I'm petro-sludge. |
| 23:27.36 | Esamynn | Lunessa: are you claiming otherwise? :P |
| 23:28.29 | Lunessa | Nope. I'm old, bald, socially unacceptable, tone-deaf, and have no rhythm. Shall I lay out my other defeciences? |
| 23:28.52 | Esamynn | can attest to all of these ;) |
| 23:29.30 | Lunessa | Yes, but my jokes are good - You know you're going to use "Objects in zone are closer than they appear" somewhere. |
| 23:29.56 | Esamynn | O_o |
| 23:30.10 | Thunder_Child | incorrect Lunessa. if we are your social circles then you are acceptable |
| 23:30.26 | Esamynn | Thunder_Child: speak for yourself |
| 23:30.28 | Lunessa | Oh com'on! You were right there! You and MentalPower both laughed. |
| 23:30.56 | Esamynn | Lunessa: I admit nothing |
| 23:31.32 | Lunessa | Thunder_Child: I think "tolerated" is more applicable. (The best part about self-depricating humor is that you don't offend your listeners.) |
| 23:31.47 | Thunder_Child | also incorrect Lunessa, i do it all the time |
| 23:32.03 | Thunder_Child | Esamynn, why? when i can speak for everyone else as well |
| 23:32.09 | Lunessa | You get offended by others self-deprication? |
| 23:32.15 | Thunder_Child | reverse that |
| 23:32.32 | Archegos | if i reference UnitPowerType for a DK when would it return 5=Runes over 6=RunicPower? |
| 23:32.34 | Esamynn | ~lart Thunder_Child |
| 23:32.34 | purl | frags Thunder_Child with his BFG9000 |
| 23:32.43 | Lunessa | Could just be that you're a self-righteous prick, but eh, what do I know? |
| 23:32.51 | Dagmar | Rule #13421: When you're on the internet, someone is going to be mortally offended, no matter what |
| 23:33.00 | Dagmar | Even if you say something as simple as "Nice weather we're having" |
| 23:33.04 | Thunder_Child | Lunessa, not that it would seem |
| 23:33.32 | Esamynn | Dagmar: that seems a little far down the rule list |
| 23:33.35 | Dagmar | Someone will say "I'm TRAPPED IN AN UNDERGROUND BUNKER YOU INSENSITIVE CLOD" |
| 23:33.40 | Lunessa | notes that this line of conversation will go nowhere constructive, and get there quite rapidly. |
| 23:33.57 | Esamynn | Lunessa: I'd say we're already there |
| 23:34.18 | Lunessa | Gatherer needs to track Sarcasm nuggets. |
| 23:34.32 | Dagmar | Their spawn timers suck |
| 23:34.57 | Thunder_Child | none of the good conversations on the internet go anywhere |
| 23:35.30 | Dagmar | watches complaints stream in from the deaf-muts |
| 23:35.34 | Adys | OpenOffice.org are having some problems with mixed line editing commits. |
| 23:35.34 | Dagmar | s/muts/mutes/; |
| 23:35.34 | Adys | I'd thought I'd forward this here so those interested can see some of |
| 23:35.34 | Adys | the ideas they have for solving it with hg. |
| 23:35.38 | Adys | here's my idea |
| 23:35.38 | Lunessa | Or at least, anywhere 'decent.' |
| 23:35.47 | Adys | fire everyone that doesnt use the same line ending as me |
| 23:35.49 | Adys | PROBLEM SOLVED |
| 23:36.02 | Esamynn | ~lart Adys |
| 23:36.02 | purl | resizes Adys's terminal to 40x24 |
| 23:36.19 | Esamynn | hugs purl |
| 23:36.34 | Adys | ~lart purl |
| 23:36.35 | purl | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in adys's direction, hitting adys and sending adys flying into the closet |
| 23:36.52 | Thunder_Child | ~botsnack |
| 23:36.52 | purl | Thunder_Child: :) |
| 23:36.57 | Esamynn | ~laugh Adys |
| 23:36.58 | purl | ACTION laughs hysterically at Adys...ow! laughing so hard, it can't breathe... gasp...gasp...gasp.... ..... ... |
| 23:37.04 | Adys | ~whalelart Esamynn |
| 23:37.06 | Adys | :( |
| 23:37.11 | Esamynn | ~fail Adys |
| 23:37.12 | purl | Adys, you Fail! |
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| 23:37.27 | Adys | ~whalezero Esamynn |
| 23:37.28 | purl | ACTION summons Hubert the Mathematician Whale to create a black hole aimed at Esamynn's body through a powerful unhandled division by zero. |
| 23:38.21 | Esamynn | ~whaleshield Esamynn |
| 23:38.30 | Esamynn | doh! |
| 23:38.31 | Adys | ~fail Esamynn |
| 23:38.32 | purl | Esamynn: FAIL! |
| 23:38.33 | Esamynn | ~whaleshield |
| 23:38.34 | purl | ACTION summons a rather dense leaden whale named Billy Bob to shield esamynn from the blast. |
| 23:38.47 | Adys | ~whaledalek Esamynn |
| 23:38.47 | purl | ACTION spawns a metallic, pepperpot-looking, one-eyed whale in front of Esamynn, and sets it to MAXIMUM EXTERMINATION LEVEL |
| 23:39.00 | Torhal | mikma: Explain - hiding/drawing/showing shouldn't even be noticed by users. |
| 23:39.07 | Esamynn | ~whaleparry Adys |
| 23:39.08 | purl | ACTION uses a slightly less-huge but eminently more agile killer whale named Edwardo to parry Adys's attacks. |
| 23:39.33 | Archegos | Save the whales!!! |
| 23:39.42 | Esamynn | ~whaleslap Archegos |
| 23:39.43 | purl | ACTION beats Archegos upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 23:40.07 | mikma | torhal: well, i need stuff (icons) to be updated in the tooltip. is there any other way of changing the icons in lines other than hide+show of the tooltip |
| 23:40.09 | Esamynn | ~fishslap Adys |
| 23:40.10 | purl | ACTION slaps Adys up side the head with a wet fish. |
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| 23:41.45 | Archegos | that was uncalled for <.< |
| 23:41.45 | Archegos | thats gonna smart tomorrow morning |
| 23:41.45 | Archegos | ~whalebomb Esamynn |
| 23:41.46 | purl | ACTION throws an explosive whale named Gunter at Esamynn and hides. |
| 23:41.46 | Archegos | awww... :( |
| 23:41.54 | Torhal_ | mikma: As long as you know the line/column, all you should need to do is SetCell() |
| 23:42.28 | mikma | torhal_: that's the problem. the cells change around |
| 23:42.51 | Torhal_ | ? |
| 23:43.15 | mikma | amount of bg's available change the linenumbers |
| 23:44.45 | Torhal_ | So what you're looking to do is an always-up frame that updates? |
| 23:45.21 | mikma | no, some of these lines change so that they get a icon after them. |
| 23:45.39 | mikma | torhal_: http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw30799.png |
| 23:46.11 | bleeter | ~comfort Cairenn |
| 23:46.12 | purl | There, there, Cairenn. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 23:46.20 | Cairenn | heh, thanks bleeter |
| 23:47.01 | bleeter | https://twitpic.com/fqrpx |
| 23:47.48 | Archegos | rofl |
| 23:47.48 | Torhal_ | mikma: Updating the icon count, or the icon itself? I'm confused as to what you want - if the lines can change, then why not redraw the whole tooltip? |
| 23:48.18 | Torhal_ | If the lines are static but you only want to update a single section, use SetCell() on the line/column you want to change. |
| 23:48.33 | mikma | [02:48:02] [Kraljucamili] whispers: ken a tek soulder four tenking?? |
| 23:48.45 | Archegos | how do i get the current ammt of rage for the player? UnitPower isnt returning it right? |
| 23:48.48 | mikma | torhal_: i'll have a look |
| 23:50.03 | Archegos | wowwiki is saying to use something like DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage(UnitName("player") .. "'s " .. t[UnitPowerType("player")] .. ": " .. UnitMana("player")); |
| 23:50.10 | Archegos | but would that work for rage? |
| 23:50.34 | Torhal_ | mikma: Look how I handled updating the timestamps in nanoTalk - see if that's what you need. |
| 23:53.05 | Yssaril | anyone know of i can specify a texture for a model after i set :SetModel('modelpath')? |
| 23:54.51 | Adys | you cant |
| 23:54.59 | Yssaril | cry |
| 23:55.20 | Adys | What do you want to do specifically? |
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| 23:56.14 | Yssaril | have a galary of dungeon bosses :) |
| 23:56.42 | Adys | you can uh |
| 23:56.45 | Adys | use SetCreature |
| 23:56.48 | Adys | or something like this |
| 23:56.56 | Adys | but... it requires the npc to be cached iirc |
| 23:58.20 | Yssaril | Adys: yea problem is i think its only cached if you see the guy which doesnt help much |
| 23:58.49 | Yssaril | i havent cleared my cache for ages but it wont work on even yesterdays bosses |
| 23:58.50 | Adys | I hit the same problem a while ago |
| 23:58.52 | Adys | i know it sucks :) |
| 23:59.54 | Yssaril | full idea was to have a instance map mod that displays the bosses 3d image at their aproximate location |
