IRC log for #wowuidev on 20090824

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16:03.08Shirikomg it's a purl
16:03.11Shiriktackles Cide too
16:03.16Cidehi
16:03.22Cidephilosophical question
16:03.25ShirikCide how much do you like C++?
16:03.32CideI haven't used it much, but I like it
16:03.42ShirikHow about Qt?
16:03.46Cidehaven't used it
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16:03.56Fiskeri don't like it Shirik
16:03.59hasteneeds more D!
16:03.59Fiskerand do you know why?
16:04.05FiskerBecause i like you
16:04.08Fiskerhaste
16:04.12Fiskerravencrest
16:04.13ShirikCide: Remind me to talk to you later :)
16:04.13Fiskernow
16:04.18CideShirik, sounds good
16:04.21Shiriknow I demand a philosophical question
16:04.30Cidefor my game, I'm defining abilities (spells) as small scripts
16:04.31Cidenow
16:04.37olafskiwow people actually get to numbers like 700 when trying to get into an instance?
16:04.44Cideshould these go into the database, or in the code?
16:05.02CideI can see advantages with both
16:05.31Cidethey're related to the specific instance of the game and not the underlying logic, which implies they should be in the database
16:05.32Shirikyour game?
16:05.39Cidehttp://dev.ctmud.net/
16:06.02Shirikis this to be an SQL database or what kind of database?
16:06.06Cidepostgresql, yes
16:06.11Cidebut on the other hand, it'd be kinda nice to have them version controlled, and storing python code in the database seems iffy
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16:06.39ShirikReally, I think it would be neat if the spells/abilities were in Lua :)
16:06.46Cidethey're in python
16:06.52Cideno need to involve another language :P
16:06.55Shirikwell there's your problem
16:06.58Shirikyes
16:07.02Shirikneed to minimize python work
16:07.07Cidelol
16:07.08Cideclearly
16:07.18Shirikbut no seriously
16:07.28ShirikI think you'd be limiting yourself by putting it in the database, unless you truly put code in the database
16:07.37Shirikputting code in the database does not seem like a good idea
16:07.47Cideit's generally not
16:07.50Shirikhowever I DO think it should be decoupled from the running code
16:08.06Cidebut on the other hand all the other information is stored in the database
16:08.09Cidelike the classes themselves
16:08.15Shirikfor example
16:08.23Cideso I'd have to map class<->spell in the database also
16:08.30Shirikif this were C++, one way of doing it might be to make an interface for spells
16:08.39Shirikthen you could make each spell an implementation of that interface
16:08.45CideI already do that
16:08.57Shirikand then each one would compile to a different DLL and it just searches that directory to load all spells
16:08.58Krapsi highly doubt they will be able to ship all the stat changes with Cata
16:09.00Cide(see, python does OO)
16:09.01Shirik(or only those that are neccessary)
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16:09.11ShirikNow that would be overkill having a DLL for each spell, it was just an example
16:09.17ShirikI'm sure you can do something similar with python
16:09.24Shirikthat way it's 100% decoupled
16:09.25CideI just have a base class for each spell
16:09.31Shirikall the main script needs to know is where that directory is
16:09.36Fiskerhastemen
16:09.36Shirikand then it knows where to find the spells
16:09.38Cideand implement that interface for every subclass (i.e. spell)
16:09.38Fiskerravencrest
16:09.46Cidething is though, Shirik
16:09.48foxlit[You clearly need to use http://labix.org/lunatic-python , mostly because of its awesome name]
16:09.51CideI need to couple it in some way
16:10.12Shirikmaybe something like in the database
16:10.14Shirikspell ID -> filename
16:10.20Cidesince the database needs to map to it to establish which spells each class has access to
16:10.45Cideya, I'll probably just give each spell an id
16:11.05Cidebut I won't be able to guarantee referential integrity since they're just numbers at that point
16:11.23FiskerShirik
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16:14.18Cideso I dunno
16:14.32Cideeach zone (location) in the game also has optional associated scripts
16:14.39Cidefor defining interactions with npc's etc
16:15.16Cidethat's currently in the db but that leads to the question of whether or not to put that in the source as well
16:15.30Cideand whether or not to store the world map in the source
16:18.16KrapsWorld of Warcraft is a dangerous child’s game that teaches children about black magic and death rituals. It encourages them to team up with friends “online” to form death squads who wield bladed weapons to violently bludgeon adversaries to the point of death.
16:18.30KrapsWOOOOO GO DEATH SQUADS
16:18.48kdtreshluckily it's only for dangerous children
16:18.58Krapslololol
16:19.05foxlitI'm surprised how quickly google indexes wow forums
16:19.38KrapsWith such alarming facts, all parents must beware that the advertising executives of Blizzard, WoW’s parent company, are releasing a new game named World of Warcraft Cataclysm.  This game promises more violence and addiction to the dark arts and new ways to murder people in the guise of online avatars.
16:20.08LopeppeppyRawr.  Bring it.
16:20.32foxlitHe added: “It is the crack cocaine of the computer game world. Some will play it till they drop.”
16:20.42Kraps"murder people in the guise of online avatars." but they will actually be murdering people. BEWARE THE GUISE
16:20.53ShirikCide
16:20.54ShirikI got it
16:21.06Shirikinstead of making spells, make spell factories
16:21.16CideI did
16:21.23Shirikso each spell factory registers itself with the main script
16:21.31Cidewell, depends on what you mean
16:21.34Shirikand then they make the actual spells whenever the main script requests it
16:21.47KrapsBlizzcon 2009 highlighted this game and got WoW addicts primed to need their new fix. While balding old men preyed on young children who sneaked to the gaming festival, the studio executives allowed children to stare at new rendered pixelated images of destruction so as to put them in a gaming trance.
16:21.53Shirikso like you have two interfaces, ISpellFactory and ISpell
16:21.59Cidenot sure what you mean really with a spell factory
16:22.04Shirikfactory pattern
16:22.16CideI still need to define the spell logic in code
16:22.27Cidewhy not just load it when requested since it's already there?
16:22.33KrapsSuggested Moral Readings for You
16:22.34Kraps# Swine Flu Looks Like World of Warcraft!
16:22.36Kraps# World Of Warcraft is Evil – Boy Goes Insane After Parents Cancel Account
16:22.40Kraps# Parent Alert – World of Warcraft and Cosplay Will Destroy Your Child
16:22.52ShirikCide: Because spells might need to save state information, etc.
16:23.08Shirikyou may wish to create a new spell each time it's used
16:23.22Cidestate is stored in the database
16:23.29Krapshey look, im religious, but all extremists need to die
16:23.54Shirikthen just make the spells singletons and register them with main
16:24.25Cideya, something like that
16:25.03Cidegotta convert the world map to be stored in source as well though
16:25.10Shirikk gotta go bye
16:25.18Cidebyebye
16:25.21Sesshubb
16:26.48LopeppeppyMy office is a deep freeze again today.  Rawr.  I'm cold!!
16:26.56Aquamy house is toasty...
16:26.56Shirikhuggles Lopeppeppy
16:27.05Aquawait it caught fire no wonder..
16:27.23LopeppeppyOh, that's not good Aqua.
16:27.28KrapsI just wanted to let you all know that my son came to know Jesus through the game World of Warcraft.
16:27.29KrapsHe is in a christian guild and they all speak the word of God in guild chat.
16:27.31KrapsIf you think this game is evil then you just don’t understand it. But just because you don’t understand something, doesn’t make it evil.
16:27.33Krapswow
16:27.35Aquayea, burnt m y bathroom black
16:27.39LopeppeppyMorning, Shirik.  I'll package some of this AC for you.
16:28.24AquaLopeppeppy, my AC is what caught my house on fire
16:28.29Aquai'm AC-less
16:28.52LopeppeppyI'll split it in half and send some to both of you then.
16:29.30Aquaty
16:29.33Aquaits a warm one here today too
16:32.36Aquawow Kraps, that is kinda whacked
16:33.08Krapshere is the link for epic lulz http://christwire.org/2009/08/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm-release/
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16:36.52Aquapeople are addicted to everything
16:36.58Aquahow many people hit starbucks every morning
16:37.38olafskior irc
16:37.45olafskior thedailywtf :P
16:37.45LopeppeppyOr check their email.
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16:38.29olafskior breathe
16:38.31olafskior eat..
16:38.31Aquaargument != logical
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16:38.50Lopeppeppyalestane has issues this morning...
16:38.56Krapsi'm dying of laughter reading the comments
16:39.06alestaneMy IRC software wanted to update itself.
16:39.18LopeppeppyOh, I love it when it takes the initiative, rawr.
16:39.27alestaneI smolder with generic rage.
16:39.34AquaSuch was the case for a precious 15-year-old child in Sweden. He could have been your son. After playing for 24 hours straight, unable to break the game’s Satanic spell over his mind, the child collapsed and nearly succumbed to the deadly disease of violent game induced seizures.
16:39.38Aquaare you kidding me.....
16:39.47Aquawhere were the kids parents?
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16:40.06KrapsAqua: dont be a fool, it was Satan
16:40.51Aquaof 6 course it 6 was 6
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16:41.23olafskithere are some other nice articles on that page too aqua :)
16:41.53Krapshttp://christwire.org/2009/05/swine-flu-looks-like-world-of-warcraft/
16:42.06Aquabah, just stamp it as 3rd Reich Propaganda
16:42.42Krapsthis. will. blow. your. mind. http://i39.tinypic.com/epeuu1.jpg
16:42.54Cloudwolfrofl 56% of kids who expirmeneted smoking magic mint did so because of wow
16:43.26nevcairieli dont even know what magic mint is
16:43.26Cloudwolflol northrend is arthas's version of swine flu!
16:43.33Cloudwolfnevcairiel same
16:43.40Aquabah, thats like saying people see a face on the rocks of mars
16:43.52nevcairielthey do!
16:44.25Aquaoh i know they do, but is it really there?
16:45.06AquaI still argue that a person is smart, but people are dumb stupid animals
16:45.21Aquawhen people "get together" and agree they just turn stupid
16:45.37Aquaatleast in the midwest
16:45.37LopeppeppyOne sheep, many sheeple.
16:45.46Cloudwolfrofl this article is horribly stupid
16:46.07Aquapropaganda always is
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16:48.20rik_lol what is magic mint and where can I get some of that?
16:48.30kdtreshpuff puff give?
16:49.00LopeppeppyOnly you can prevent forest fires
16:49.03Cloudwolfi should see if i have puff hte magic dragon./....
16:49.18Cloudwolfjust for the hilarity
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16:49.27LopeppeppyI like that song.  I am actually singing it, since kdtresh said that.
16:52.10Cloudwolfuh oh i have 4 differnt' versions of htis song....
16:52.18Cloudwolfbetter play em all
16:52.18Aquawhat song?
16:52.25Cloudwolfpuff the magic dragon
16:52.40Aquarofl, yea, peter paul and mary
16:52.42Lopeppeppy*serious nod*   Little Jackie Paper loved that rascal Puff.
16:52.42Krapshttp://christwire.org/2009/03/twilight-movie-causes-13-year-old-boy-to-bite-11-classmates/
16:52.50KrapsFrightening. Twilight is a demented movie that’s based on several novels, all of which teach your children how to become vampires.
16:52.50Cloudwolfrofl
16:53.03Aqualololol
16:53.06rik_lul
16:53.16Aquafreaking people, are stupid
16:53.27KrapsOver 17 million teens secretly own the Twilight books and your kids may be one of them. Do not let your daughters be one of the 28% of girls who allow themselves to be bitten and have blood sucked by young boys infected by this film. Don’t let your sons become violence sociopaths due to this film.
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16:53.47Krapswhats 28% of 17 million?
16:53.48nevcairiellol thats just silly
16:53.52nevcairielstupid christians
16:54.14rik_reminds of that time this kid got suspended by yelling out "casts seal of command, hammer of justice!" and then punched out another kid in the mouth
16:54.19Aquaso when are we breaking out the chastity belts again?
16:55.11Krapslemme check if this is actually a troll site
16:55.17Aquawow, hold on
16:55.43Aquahttp://christwire.org/2009/08/mcdonalds-tries-to-make-blacks-not-look-dangerous/
16:55.45Aquaholy shit
16:55.47Lopeppeppyrik, I think that was an urban legend.
16:56.04Aquawow
16:56.48KrapsAqua: are we sure this isnt a satirical site? i mean look at this http://christwire.org/mission/
16:57.07Krapsits a bit over the top
16:57.12Krapsowait
16:57.21AquaYea, but you have to stop and think some religions are WAY over the top
16:57.53Cloudwolfits a christian website nuff said
16:58.35Krapsno need to hate on christians in general
16:58.58Cloudwolfi dont hate christians i hate htemajority of christians.... >.>
16:59.25AquaI don't hate aynone
16:59.28Aquaseriously disagree
16:59.37nevcairieldoesnt religious freedom also entitle me to freely hate them as i please? :P
16:59.46malrethCloudwolf: why would you hate Christians? don't you see we only want you to experience the greatness that is accepting the Lord Jesus Christ into your heart.
16:59.48Aquayes it does
17:00.48Cloudwolfat the regular expense of disallowing people the freedom of religion they also deserve. With over controlling methods and questionable means. I'm not saying christianity is bad im saying most of the ways its tought is.
17:01.41Cloudwolfagain religion and politics need to stay off of discussion now...
17:02.01CloudwolfAnd i know i just started it and im sorry.
17:02.17malrethIt's ok. I'm Catholic. I'll forgive you.
17:02.17Aquayea, however, we could move this discussion to another channel
17:02.24Aquafor the sake of following rules
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17:02.32Cloudwolfheh
17:02.33nevcairiellike we care enough about the discussion
17:02.39Aqua<--- doesn't
17:02.56LopeppeppyHow 'bout them Mets?
17:03.04Aquai'm more worried about recovering data off my cooked server drives
17:03.15nevcairielanyone can do wtf they want, as long as they dont shove their believes in my face
17:03.18Krapsnevcairiel: you should care about givig your soul to Satan through wow
17:03.34KrapsLopeppeppy: mets suck, go yanks
17:03.36nevcairielKraps: i don't even actively play anymore :P
17:03.40AquaF that go Cubbies...
17:03.48LopeppeppyEat more pie
17:03.56Aquaeat more ..... p
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17:04.49Aquahmm, pay for hard drive recovery or scrap it all and start over
17:05.07LopeppeppyDepends what value you feel the data has.
17:05.54AquaIts nothing i can't replace, with a CRAP ton of work
17:06.17Aqualike till about this time next year
17:07.08LopeppeppySo decide how much your time is worth to you, and see if recovery costs more, or less, than that.
17:07.44AquaI really don't have anything better to do unfortunately
17:07.45zenzelezzyou lost your porn, didn't you?
17:08.00Aquano all my dad's pictures of his family I scanned in
17:08.02LopeppeppyIt all has the same plot, easy to replace.
17:08.08Aquadigital copies of taxes
17:08.52AquaI was transitioning my house to a digital filing system
17:09.00Aquawhen we had a bit of a fire
17:09.22Krapsyou guys heard? blizz is getting lazy
17:09.59zenzelezzsays the guy who's too lazy to type our Blizzard
17:10.06zenzelezz*out
17:10.33KarlKFIDaily Quests => Lazy Quest Writers
17:11.01Krapszenzelezz: you're mistaken, its on the forums so it must be true
17:11.02Aquablizzard, lazy, never!
17:11.50Krapscataclysm is lazy
17:11.58Krapsi hate people
17:12.11AquaI get the sense that its gonna be out before icecrown is done
17:12.21Aquabut i doubt that, because they were talking about the war with the lich king raging on..
17:12.28durcynlazy or not, flying mounts in azeroth? yes please.
17:12.40durcynactually redesigning two continents seems like the antithesis of laziness
17:13.01Aquaredesigning takes a lot of work imo
17:13.44durcynthat and a 25bux race change to worgen, and i'm already sold
17:14.04Aquathats just greed though
17:14.20Cloudwolflol at the black one god those people are horrible
17:14.43KrapsCloudwolf: hmm?
17:15.07AquaCloudwolf: thats why i was so shocked
17:16.10Krapswhat what?
17:17.44Cloudwolfkraps: http://christwire.org/2009/08/mcdonalds-tries-to-make-blacks-not-look-dangerous/
17:18.39Aquai
17:18.48Aquai am amaizing that website hasn't been Dos'ed
17:19.00LopeppeppyI'm sure it has.
17:19.52Aquadamn almost nap time
17:20.38Gnarfozhttp://www.engadget.com/2009/08/22/video-robot-hand-shows-off-amazing-dexterity-speed/
17:23.37LopeppeppyWhen it tosses the cellphone - awesome!
17:23.57Gnarfozyeah, crazy
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17:26.07zenzelezzso is that christwire link actually being serious?
17:26.55Cloudwolfi dont think its satire
17:27.01Cloudwolfi seriously dont think its satire...
17:27.08LopeppeppyReligion takes itself seriously
17:27.35zenzelezzI wonder what they think about their ad provider choosing "GayEbonyDating" ads for that article
17:27.38AquaI think its being serious
17:27.58nevcairielthere are certainly enough people like that to fill a webpage
17:30.03Cloudwolfepic robot hand
17:30.36nevcairielthat robot hand seriously owns
17:31.33Cloudwolfi love the dribbling
17:31.35Cloudwolfits so fast XD
17:35.29Cloudwolfthe knotting a rope is epic
17:35.29DagmarYou know, I'm pretty sure there's people out there who have entirely different reasons for wanting a highly dextrous robot hand.
17:35.50Cloudwolflol
17:36.01Aquayea, replace a lost arm....
17:36.15Aquaor that other thing
17:36.20Aquajust call it the stranger
17:36.28DagmarCowards.  heh
17:36.47Cloudwolfdagmar just make sure its got some nice rubber padding
17:38.08Aquaand a bottle of astroglide..;
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17:38.51Lopeppeppyafk, sheeple
17:39.15DagmarActually, I was talking about being able to aim and fire a gun, but thanks for tplaying
17:39.27Krapsplease no robot hands near any sensitive part of my body, do not like malfunction
17:39.44Aquathat would hurt like hell
17:40.46DagmarThese people are going to get _money_
17:41.14DagmarHUGE amounts of money
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18:09.20TentacledHmm. For the love of me, I cannot get a SimpleHTML to display an addon-provided image in an <img> tag... Is it restricted to Blizz content only?
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18:11.29Shiriktoday's xkcd = win
18:12.38Pneumatus^its true :<
18:12.52DagmarI'm sending it to my elderly parents right now
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18:14.01foxlitTentacled: It wasn't back when I last messed with it.
18:14.01KrapsShirik: my dad /sigh
18:14.10foxlitTry the wowwiki example verbatim.
18:14.16ShirikKraps, I am your father
18:14.24KrapsNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
18:15.07Jonathonjust patched minion to the latest core... updated all my mods but one flawlessly, AWESOME job, Shirik
18:15.26Shirikumm
18:15.37Shirikare you on a mac?
18:15.48Jonathonyes sir
18:15.48Tentacledthe WoWwiki uses Interface\Icons\Ability_Ambush which is blizz content, and that one works.
18:15.55Shirikah so that's why it didn't work before :)
18:16.02Jonathonyep... lol
18:16.04Shirikyes most of the credit for the mac fix goes to ScytheBlade1 actually so
18:16.11foxlitAnd what are you trying to use?
18:16.27TentacledBut neither the / nor \\ slash form works for addon-provided content...
18:16.36Jonathonwell then ty, to him as well
18:20.04TentacledArgh, it was all but a typo... bloody hell!
18:23.37durcynalways use backslashes
18:23.53Shirik^
18:23.58durcynthe mac client is smart enough to parse them correctly, the windows client is particularly bad at forward-slashes
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18:32.09Shirikrevdep-rebuild
18:32.15Shirikwindows focus ftl
18:32.17TentacledEh, though I got the image to work, apparently a linked image is too much to hope for ;P
18:41.13Lopeppeppyis insane.
18:44.13Thunder_Childthen you are in good company Lopeppeppy
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18:44.42NightHawkTheSane<-- not insane.
18:44.51Thunder_Childi call shinanigains
18:44.55Jonathon<--cerifiable
18:45.02Jonathonsee even spelled it wrong
18:45.03LopeppeppyShenanigans!
18:45.08Thunder_Child"shenanigans"
18:45.53Krapsis this a good deal?
18:45.56Krapshttp://www.pandora.com/pandora_one
18:46.20ScytheBlade1considering it is unlimited, ad-free music for every device you have, yes
18:46.27LopeppeppyKraps, maybe.  I really like Pandora.
18:46.39Krapsso do i lope
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18:48.11Cloudwolfi love pandora
18:48.15Cloudwolfi just wish it had a little more variety
18:48.27LopeppeppyUm... variety is your job on Pandora.
18:48.29Cloudwolfand yes i know i can add more stations
18:48.32foxlitWe are deeply, deeply sorry to say that due to licensing constraints, we can no longer allow access to Pandora for listeners located outside of the U.S.
18:48.34Cloudwolfbut i mean per station basis
18:48.43LopeppeppyUm... variety is your job on Pandora.
18:48.45LopeppeppyGive it more seeds
18:49.00Cloudwolfi have it running 5 channels on shuffle
18:49.08Krapsfoxlit: theres only one solution: MOVE TO THE US
18:49.08Cloudwolfand i still regularly get repeats easily
18:49.47durcynfoxlit: spotify
18:49.50durcyndurp?
18:49.51Cloudwolfi found the best way for me to get veriety is to not put any thumbs up or thumbs down on songs
18:49.59KrapsCloudwolf: last fm has more variety
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18:50.19foxlitdurcyn: "Not available in your country yet"
18:50.24Cloudwolflol uhoh ima t 39 hours this month
18:50.27Cloudwolfi have 1 more hour till im cut off
18:50.33foxlit"Unfortunately, due to licensing restrictions we are not yet available in your country. "
18:50.50KrapsCloudwolf: i have 4
18:51.01Cloudwolf4 what?
18:51.05Krapshours
18:51.12DagmarTranslate that as "Unfortunately, the RIAA are a bunch of theieving assholes and no one can make a business model with the fees that they're demanding"
18:51.13durcynfoxlit: where the hell are you, outer estonia?
18:51.15Cloudwolftil yoru cut off?
18:51.25Krapsyeah
18:51.35foxlitdurcyn: hardy
18:51.37Krapsbut im buying Pone now
18:51.37nevcairieldurcyn: both those pages mostly only work for US, they dont care to get into the license world of EU countrys
18:51.42foxlits/dy/dly/
18:51.47DagmarWebcasters have to pay more than three times what a commercial FM station pays in fees
18:51.47Cloudwolfon july i got cutoff after 1 and a half weeks into hte month lol
18:52.20Cloudwolfwebcasters normaly get out to more people though
18:52.21Dagmar...and that figure becomes insanely much higher if they suspect you're allowing the listeners anything like a degree of control over what they're hearing
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18:52.26durcynnevcairiel: i thought spotify was eu-only
18:52.32DagmarCloudwolf: No, they actually don't
18:53.09durcynUnfortunately, due to licensing restrictions we are not yet available in your country. We understand that you are currently in United States [snip]
18:53.11foxlitdurcyn: spotify is available in a small subset of EU nations.
18:53.16durcynAh.
18:53.18DagmarThat's like saying that more people are going to see some lunatic rant just because it was posted on a blog which is on the internet as opposed to being nailed to telephone poles around foot traffic centers
18:53.24nevcairieli dunno about spotify, i just know they are being bitches around here :P
18:53.28Fiskernot really Dagmar
18:53.30nevcairieli believe they are from sweden
18:53.31FiskerRIAA is US only
18:53.47durcynit's not their fault, though, all of the royalt agencies have their own little niches carved out and don't want to share
18:53.50DagmarFisker: Good thing Soundstream is a corporation then
18:53.59Fisker?
18:54.02DagmarIf you want to broadcast music made by any american label, you pay them
18:54.09durcynyou're watching the simultaneous deaths of several industries, just sit back and relax and wait for them to implode
18:54.16Fiskersure?
18:54.19DagmarWhether or not the RIAA is american becomes entirely avademic ratehr quickly
18:54.29Dagmardurcyn++
18:54.41Dagmars/avademic/academic/;
18:54.44foxlitI don't think it counts without ~
18:55.00FiskerThe reason why it's not outside of the US would be because the licensees outside the US would QQ
18:55.01Dagmarfoxlit: There's a karma bot?
18:55.09foxlitDagmar: purl.
18:55.22DagmarWell, good for purk then
18:55.29Dagmars/purk/purl/;
18:56.10Fiskerbrb thepiratebay
18:56.10Thunder_Childyou also dont need the ;
18:56.13Lopeppeppyhello, purl!
18:56.17Krapswoo no ads
18:56.19Lopeppeppy~botsnack
18:56.19purlLopeppeppy: aw, gee
18:56.28LopeppeppyI'm glad you're back.
18:56.44DagmarOi.  Some of us feel that terminating our regexps is important, thanks.
18:56.55DagmarYou'll note I typically complete sentences with a period as well.
18:56.57Dagmar;)
18:57.18Thunder_Childsilly you, please conform to standard net lingustical crap
18:57.32DagmarOKAI IS THIZ BETTAR?
18:57.47Thunder_Childi didnt say braindead
18:57.52durcynthis is the internet, Dagmar, and I regret to inform you that you did not meet the minimum requirements of 8 misspellings or numeral substitutions in that last sentence.
18:58.01Dagmaronoes
18:58.17durcynI suggest you try harder in the future.
18:58.23Kraps<33333333333333333
18:58.28Fiskeraww
18:58.44Fiskerthe new server TPB is on seems to be overloaded :(
18:58.59DagmarThe real question is, are they charging money yet
18:59.05Krapsis currently listening to Breaking Benjamin - The Diary Of Jane
18:59.08durcynthe new tracker is totally fucked, fisker
18:59.12DagmarI dunno what the guy who bouhgt them is thinking
18:59.19nevcairielthe court had the connection to the old one cut
18:59.20Fisker!care(); durcyn
18:59.22nevcairielits all a big mess now
18:59.25durcyntracker.openbittorrent.com  isn't even answering pings :(
18:59.25Fiskeri know nevcairiel
19:02.41Krapswhats tbp?
19:02.43Krapstpb*\
19:02.50nevcairielthepiratebay
19:03.10Krapsthats still alive?
19:03.21nevcairielit was :P
19:03.42Cloudwolfit died?
19:03.44CloudwolfXD
19:04.17Krapshttp://www.warez-bb.org/ + flashget imo
19:04.28CloudwolfO.o?
19:04.36DagmarThere's tons of places you can find torrents on the internet, man
19:04.49DagmarThe thing about Pirate Bay is that it's one of hte ones that just never, ever goes away
19:05.13zenzelezz"Haha pirates, we got Suprnova, now what are you going to do?"
19:05.14Cloudwolfi loved reading their legal threats
19:05.16DagmarThey've kept it running through all kinds of hijinks
19:05.25DagmarIt'll probably be fixed by tomorrow
19:05.29tekkubmininova!
19:05.30durcynthere are what, five or six mirrors up alraedy?
19:05.32Cloudwolfi dont know how small of a dick you incompitent lawyers have but your copy rights dont apply here nor do we host the data on our servers!
19:05.40tekkubrofles.fm!
19:05.48LopeppeppyAll of the torrent sites have that disclaimer, it's awesome.
19:05.50Krapstekkub: used to mininova a lot
19:06.09LopeppeppyI like mininova and isohunt.
19:06.17zenzelezzLopeppeppy: I'm not selling the character, I'm selling the time I spent playing it
19:06.26LopeppeppyI don't inhale
19:06.26tekkubmininova's a lot nicer than suprnova was too
19:06.35zenzelezzLopeppeppy: ... interesting
19:06.54zenzelezztekkub: that's the best thing, every time they take down the "major" site, a better one appears
19:07.02Fiskerslaps zenzelezz around a bit with a large trout
19:07.06Fiskerzenzelezzmen
19:07.06Dagmarzenzelezz: Do you suppose that works when prostitutes tell the judge that they were only selling their time, not their *hemhem*
19:07.42zenzelezzDagmar: I wasn't taking sides in the discussion, I was repeating what people used to write on their character sales on ebay
19:07.47tekkubuh, prostitutes sell their "companionship" duh
19:07.53FiskerDagmar i believe you mean "wang" and not "*hemhem*
19:07.59tekkubit's not their fault everyone wants to have sex with them
19:08.04tekkuband they're totally willing
19:08.11Cloudwolfprostitues you pay them to leave not for the sex lol
19:08.14DagmarFisker: Male prostitutes are just taking back the initiative
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19:08.45Fiskermale?
19:08.55foxlit"But for the Worgen, in those levels [1-5] you actually start as a Human, get infected by the curse, and eventually unlock your Worgen form."
19:09.01Fiskeri should probably get my money back then
19:09.07Cloudwolfpeople are people so why should it be. you and i should get along so awfully... rofl i love that
19:09.22Cloudwolffoxlit no dur...
19:09.25DagmarEither you're younger than we thought, or your school's sex education classes were *really* lacking
19:09.30Krapsis currently listening to Theory Of A Deadman - Say Goodbye
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19:09.55Krapsturns up the volume
19:10.01DagmarYou talk about 'wang' and I say "male prostitute" and exactly how does that confuse you?
19:10.10zenzelezzsex education in school tends to fail. They should just give them condoms and booze and let them figure it out themselves
19:10.40Dagmarzenzelezz: Caring parents will use a private tutor
19:10.45FiskerI AM RAGING
19:10.48DagmarWhy yes, I am a very bad man.
19:11.00zenzelezzDagmar: must be icky being home schooled then
19:11.14Dagmargawd okay that's worse
19:11.18DagmarI'll have to remember that one
19:11.33Krapshey that phone/voice/music switch on the headphones really works
19:12.10Krapsgame/voice/music
19:12.22Cloudwolflink to your headphones?
19:12.28Cloudwolfim lookin for a new pair soonish
19:12.57Fiskeri'm looking for a new pair of you Cloudwolf :3
19:13.15Cloudwolfi now i know im outdated
19:13.54Cloudwolf"when a child is born he is instantly out dated"
19:14.23KrapsCloudwolf: its actually a headset
19:14.37Cloudwolfwell i was thinking headset or headphones
19:14.42Cloudwolfwas considering bose
19:15.17FiskerLINK KRAPS
19:15.18FiskerOR DIE
19:15.31Kraps<PROTECTED>
19:15.41Krapshttp://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000TG4AGU/ref=ox_ya_oh_product
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19:16.20Fiskergay
19:16.22Cloudwolflol ox ya oh product?
19:16.32Cloudwolf... usb headset?
19:16.36Fiskeri might consider the new creative ones
19:16.37Cloudwolfi already got too many usb cords lol
19:16.44Fiskercould use a wireless headset
19:17.18Cloudwolfmeh wireless...
19:17.25Cloudwolfheard the sound quality gets a lot worse
19:17.29Krapswireless has batteries boooo
19:17.48Fiskertrue
19:17.59zenzelezzI kept tripping on my wireless cord :(
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19:18.37Cloudwolfmeh i dont think bose does headsets
19:19.43durcynthe only thing bose does is hype
19:19.53Cloudwolfwell i like the quality of their stereo systems
19:20.05Cloudwolftheir headphones are decent also
19:20.25Cloudwolfrofl
19:20.33Cloudwolfull-Spectrum1 Neodymium Drivers deliver clear voice communication, thunderous arcane explosions, and the shriek of bullets with dynamic aural precision.
19:20.43Cloudwolf* full-spectrum
19:21.27Fiskerrawr Kraps
19:21.29Fisker"The headset is USABLE while being recharged. This is done via a simple mini USB connection."
19:22.09Krapsa wire PLUS batteries? /boggle
19:22.29Fiskerto recharge durr
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19:22.59KrapsNO!!!! NO RECHARGING!!!!
19:23.31KarlKFIdont be so suprised. My motorola rokr bluetooth headphones don't work while recharging via usb
19:23.59KarlKFIit's pretty dumb
19:24.16CloudwolfO.o removeable boom mic
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19:24.22foxlitI wonder why people reporting bugs are so eager to remove their saved variables
19:24.54Cloudwolfi hate the have you delted the blablabla.... im like no no thanks i dont want ot lose all my gather nodes
19:25.25NightHawkTheSanefoxlit: years of conditioning from blizzard gms?
19:26.05KarlKFIdeleting sv really isn't that bothersome except for data gathering addons and really complex configurations like baggins
19:27.14KarlKFIeven if you rearrange things with FluidFrames that only takes a few min to re-do if you remember what you moved
19:27.33KarlKFIand GOOD addons should have GOOD defaults ;)
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19:28.36foxlitIn this case, they're losing data when they reset.
19:29.59Cloudwolfwhy are the headphones like all usb now -_-
19:31.32LopeppeppyI rather like my usb wireless logitech headset.
19:32.15KarlKFIusb makes it easier to use on crappy laptops with sub par input jacks and drivers
19:32.41KarlKFItho i prefer my usb 'sound card' with analog in/out
19:32.48LopeppeppyYuh-huh.  And some modern laptops don't even have jacks.  I don't think mine does.
19:33.04KarlKFIand i know macs dont
19:33.36Cloudwolfwell for me its like i already have a shit ton of usb things already being used and using more is just a pain
19:33.38mikmaso, anyone knows maintained pvp-objectivetimer addons? :O
19:33.42LopeppeppyI'm sure that netbooks lack them too.
19:33.48mikmashadowed is being silly and not updating SSPVP3 :(
19:34.02Cloudwolfi have 3 usbs not used out of 8+
19:34.09LopeppeppyGet yourself a USB extender jack thing, Cloudwolf.  I have one, it's part of the features of my cooling stand.
19:34.21Cloudwolfi have a 1 to 4 splitter
19:34.31Cloudwolfalready mostly filled it has printer and some other things plugged in
19:34.38LopeppeppyGet more.  :P  Or unplug your printer while you're gaming?
19:34.47Cloudwolflol
19:35.00Cloudwolfi could allways just use my creative speakers when thers no voice chat goign on
19:35.04Cloudwolfbut then that oculd get loud :P
19:36.11LopeppeppyPut all of the things that aren't necessary for gaming on one of those extenders, and then unplug it when you're gaming.
19:36.55KarlKFIimo laptop gaming = silly
19:37.02Cloudwolfi think if i went for a usb powered headphones i would go for wireless
19:37.26Cloudwolfalso im using a creative speakers which has a bass and volueme controll
19:37.29Cloudwolfon the side that has a headphone jack
19:37.33KarlKFIgaming is like the antithesis of what a laptop is for
19:38.07DagmarThat depends on if you like "heatsink extreme" as your laptop aesthetic
19:38.24KrapsKarlKFI: miniclip and free realms disagree
19:38.36KarlKFIefficient, convenient, long lasting battery, cool enough to use on your lap, cordless..... these are not gaming ideas
19:38.52KarlKFIunless by gaming you mean popcap games...
19:39.30KarlKFIKraps: that's not gaming
19:39.36Cloudwolfhttp://us.creative.com/products/product.asp?category=437&subcategory=865&product=18703&nav=1 these dont look half bad
19:40.07KarlKFIthat's time wasting
19:40.15KrapsKarlKFI: arent you hardcore
19:40.22Krapsoh lol
19:41.26Cloudwolfatleast popcap games are unreasonably fun lol
19:41.36DagmarIf you're simple.
19:41.39KarlKFIi'm not saying they aren't
19:42.42DagmarMy idea of "unreasonably fun" doesn't start until I have a weapon capable of turning "large objects" into projectiles
19:42.59KarlKFIbut you wouldn't call yourself a Gamer if you liked playing video poker, majong, and peggle
19:43.28DagmarHeck I made a toon in City of Heroes specifically for that sort of ability
19:44.10KarlKFIreally it makes much more sense to get a desktop for gaming and a netbook for the stuff you actually want to do laptop-style
19:44.29Dagmar...like squinting!
19:45.29Cloudwolfno cd drive = instant fail for me
19:45.43KarlKFIwhat do you use a cd drive for?
19:45.46KarlKFIdvd's?
19:45.47LopeppeppyCopy pasta is for FAIL on web pages, people.  *sigh*
19:45.47NightHawkTheSanepeople use cds anymore/
19:45.48NightHawkTheSane?
19:45.55mikmatorhal_: ping
19:45.59Cloudwolfcd dvd drive meh
19:46.52KarlKFIdvd on a laptop i can understand, but how much do you really watch dvds on your laptops when you aren't at home?
19:47.18NightHawkTheSaneeh, any disk drive on a laptop is probably pointless if you have a desktop with one
19:47.24KarlKFIand the reason you dont? because it sucks battery life that you want to use doing something useful
19:47.26Cloudwolfplain travel car travel long trips which are all part of why i would get a laptop
19:47.46KarlKFIcar travel: no internet
19:47.47NightHawkTheSaneif you -must- watch movies on your laptop, rip it to a movie file and play it that way
19:47.51KarlKFIget a dvd player
19:48.07LopeppeppyGet a torrent.
19:48.35KarlKFIFPS gaming in the car while driving = bad playing + car sick
19:48.52NightHawkTheSaneyeah, that'd be silly
19:48.56Cloudwolflol worms armageddon ftw
19:49.01KarlKFIif you want to game int he car, get a DS
19:49.15KarlKFIor a car dvd play and plug in a console
19:49.23KarlKFIplayer*
19:49.26Fiskerwtf is this shit?
19:49.54KarlKFIFisker: I'm just detailing why laptops are useless
19:49.59KarlKFI:)
19:50.15KarlKFIbets half of you are on laptops anyway
19:50.23Cloudwolfdesktop atm
19:50.31Cloudwolfmy families laptop can't even handle css
19:50.41Cloudwolfoldest peice of shit we have
19:51.25Cloudwolfi hit my 40 hours...
19:51.26NightHawkTheSanethe only laptop i've ever owned is the eeepc 900 i currently have, which i really only use for a handful of things.
19:51.47Lopeppeppyeepc is not for gaming, nope.
19:52.01NightHawkTheSaneyeah, that "handful of things" does not include any games :P
19:52.21KarlKFIiPhone fills most of the needs i would use a laptop for. tho i could prolly still use a netbook so i could properly multitask a bit
19:53.14Cloudwolflua> math.random(1,65)
19:53.14lua_botCloudwolf: 33
19:53.59NightHawkTheSanei sometimes use my netbook to do some coding while not at home. I dont think i could do that with any phone.
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19:54.57KarlKFIright
19:55.05KarlKFIand irc isn't that great ont he phone
19:55.20KarlKFItho colloquy mobile just got push for irc
19:55.40NightHawkTheSaneyeah
19:55.44KarlKFIbut you have to run it at home to push yourself the updates
19:56.03KarlKFIand i use adium at home for irc
19:56.12Cloudwolfchatzilla here
19:56.30KarlKFIi use chatzilla at work, cause all windows irc clients blow chunks
19:56.39NightHawkTheSanehow well does adium handle irc, compared to more specialized clients?
19:56.48KarlKFIpretty damn well
19:57.09KarlKFIit's not perfect, but it's on par with colloquy
19:57.14NightHawkTheSanehmm.
19:57.23KarlKFIand i already use it for aim and yahoo so it's less apps open
19:57.36durcynjust run irssi in a screen session like a real man
19:57.47KarlKFIcolloquy of course has better skinning support
19:58.07KarlKFIbut it also has a memory leak that borks copy/paste last i checked
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20:04.42Shirikso guy is here to fix my AC
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20:05.31Cloudwolfyay for shirik
20:05.36KarlKFIcan i borrow him when you're done? mine needs a tune up
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20:06.28ShirikRepo is such a strange bot
20:06.49Shirikhe should play halo
20:06.52Shirikhe appears to enjoy the flood
20:09.04KarlKFIi need to say turbo charge the fan and add a liquid nitrogen cooling pipe past the main intake manifold
20:09.04KarlKFIi can put it on 65 and it'll run non-stop because it just can't get that cold
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20:13.04Krapsis currently listening to Evanescence - Going Under
20:13.20Thunder_ChildKraps, stop that crap
20:13.34Krapswhat craP?
20:13.53Thunder_Childyour current listening posts
20:14.21Kraps45 minutes apart is still spammy?
20:14.39KarlKFIno one cares :P
20:14.53KarlKFIput it in your "about" if you must
20:15.10Kraps:(
20:15.22Thunder_Childand it's not conversation
20:15.22Cloudwolfam i the only oen who reads sewer carp as sewer crap?
20:16.31Krapshow many of you that went to blizzcon bought a noob?
20:16.34NeoTrondurcyn: I run irssi and centerim both in a screen.. ftw. centerim has a lot of crap factor but alas :P
20:16.48durcynNeoTron: i've started using beejive on my iphone for im stuff, it's pretty decent
20:16.55Cloudwolfbought a noob?
20:16.58durcynfacebook support is crap, but who the hell uses facebook IM
20:17.07mikmanoobz!
20:17.39Krapsalso, wtb pics of blizzcon
20:18.23Krapshttp://www.blizzard.com/blizzcon/_images/coverage/panels09/raid_dungeon/Image5_thumb.jpg
20:18.30Dagmardurcyn: People who have no clue about information controll
20:18.32NeoTronI use the google chat on my blackberry.. and don't care too much about th eother im clients
20:18.37NightHawkTheSanedurcyn: only the idiots who use facebook, so its no worries ;)
20:18.37Krapser no
20:19.05durcynthe swell thing about beejive is you can link peoples IM accounts to address book cards automagically
20:19.09durcynit's rather handy
20:19.10Cloudwolfi wnt to know how they are redesiging dm and sfk for heroics
20:19.32mikmaimagine: wiping in deadmines at level 85
20:19.51DagmarCloudwolf: When you finally reach the ship, a phalanx of Hoggers drop down from the ceiling behind you.
20:20.23Thunder_ChildNightHawkTheSane, or teenage girls....
20:20.31CloudwolfGAR I JUST LOST TO VANCLEEF some one in guild. isn't he only level like 20? shut up i mean heroic vancleef!
20:20.57DagmarDropping a fire trap and watching htem all die is still fun
20:21.30Cloudwolfim sad at theupcoming fan of knives nerf
20:21.44Cloudwolfi love using that to run low level instances and just watch em fall over dead
20:21.50Krapsheroic mr smite
20:21.56CloudwolfOH GOD
20:21.59Cloudwolfno god no >.<
20:22.03DagmarKraps: I dunno man, his script is pretty heroic
20:22.19DagmarHe always seems to get off thet first stun, no matter how negative his hit points are at the time
20:22.23Krapshes going to be really angry
20:22.30Cloudwolfheroic mode not only does he stun but he goes on a rampage instantly killing one of your party members every 10 seconds
20:22.49Dagmar...which would mean that I still wouldnt' be in any danger
20:23.44DagmarThe secret there is to drop group after the fight starts, and then rejoin before the thirty seconds is up.  ;)
20:23.47Cloudwolfit would be funny if heroic mode still had you vsing levle 20's
20:23.54Cloudwolfbut for every 1 npc there were 20 of them
20:24.02DagmarTHat would be awesome
20:24.16DagmarIt would save so much time I could hire chinese kids to cart my loots to the AH for me
20:24.28NightHawkTheSaneThunder_Child: i thought i covered them with 'idiots who use facebook'
20:24.36DagmarI swear the only thing keeping me from clearing that entire place in one pull is the doors.
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20:26.44Cloudwolfi had a really odd idea yesterday running 25 man ulduar first boss with the tanks. what if before we started i set out a poney keg and everyone got smashed O.o i wonder how well that run oulda gone no one could hit anything XD
20:27.00Krapsfemale BE in brewfest garb was win
20:27.06DagmarI've never noticed alcohol affecting my ability to hit
20:27.12Dagmar<-- kungalooshic
20:27.42Cloudwolfi love setting out a poney kegg in the middle of a bank and watch people get themselves smashed
20:27.50Cloudwolfits like infinant beer why not get smashed lol
20:28.09DagmarThis is how I feel about Kungaloosh
20:28.36DagmarIt takes otherwise useless berries and fruits and turns them into delicious alcohol and you don't even need to start a fire
20:28.39Krapsthe guy who was sartharion ...
20:29.09Cloudwolfheh turns hp berries into mana drink
20:29.28Cloudwolfuseless for me cus im a rogue >.>
20:29.52NightHawkTheSaneuseless in general except for making alcohol
20:29.53Krapsholly as a meeting stone wut
20:39.32Krapswho judges the contests at blizzcon?
20:40.43KarlKFI"judges"
20:41.08Krapsyeah, got any more info?
20:41.34ScytheBlade1random blizzard staff?
20:42.41Krapsnice boomkin
20:42.53Krapshe cant see shit though
20:46.25malrethmoos loudly
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20:56.26drfuzzykinshmm, DeterministicFiniteAutomaton looks too long for a class name, but Dfa looks too short and generic
20:57.06drfuzzykinsoh hey, this isn't the .NET channel >.>
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20:58.34Cloudwolflol
20:58.43Cloudwolfbbl
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20:59.08foxlit!g DFA
20:59.08batbotfoxlit: Dimensional Fund Advisors: DFA Home <http://www.dfaus.com/>
20:59.13kneekiUsing select(6, GetBattlefieldScore(1)) , it will display everything after the 6th entry and on, how do I get it to display just the 6th, and nothing else?
20:59.30foxlitwrap it in another pair of parenthesis.
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20:59.41olafskihow about DFAutomaton?
20:59.58kneekifoxlit: lol
20:59.59kneekiwell then
21:00.08foxlitolafski: too inconsistent. :)
21:00.18olafskimeh :<
21:00.28olafskithe full name looks good then imo :P an IDE will autocomplete it anyway
21:00.47durcynsorry, DFA is already Death From Above.  Learn to MechWarrior.
21:01.05foxlit!g MechWarrior
21:01.05batbotfoxlit: MechWarrior - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MechWarrior>
21:01.35foxlitRelease date(s)1989
21:01.41drfuzzykinsolafski: yeah I'm using the full name now because of intellisense
21:03.36olafskiI doubt mechwarrior coined that expression :P
21:06.33mikma!g cockslap
21:06.33batbotmikma: Urban Dictionary: cockslap <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cockslap>
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21:59.56Krapsthese guys are geniuses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrome
22:07.50malrethEdward watches you shower or pee... depends on how you install it. YOUR CHOICE!!! http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=28697506
22:08.10malrethevery little girl's dream realized
22:08.57DagmarYeah
22:08.59Fiskerslaps foxlit around a bit with a large trout
22:09.05DagmarThey people on etsy sometimes don't think things through
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22:48.30foxlit"how do u use this add on? holy fucking shit someone fucking help me jesus fucking Christ."
22:48.47foxlitAnd that's probably why addon-related videos on youtube are a bad idea
22:50.31mikmahah
22:50.32DagmarNo you ask the posters what their main's name is and what server they're on
22:50.37DagmarThat way you can /ignore them properly
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22:53.53DewinHow the heck is my IE so broken to give me "Object doesn't support this property or method" on foo = document.getElementById("foo"); >.>
22:56.48mikmacause, its ie
22:57.01DagmarThat's a reading comprehension question, right?
23:00.04NightHawkTheSaneDewin: well, your first problem is that you're running IE
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23:05.54Krapsso guilds could have for example a raid spec or a casual spec
23:06.11foxlitguild dual specs?
23:06.34Krapsno just one it looks like
23:06.58mikmaraiding-gear, guild based
23:07.07mikma"here, you will use this gear today"
23:07.18mikma"and you can take this gear"
23:08.42KrapsPath of the Titans looks cool
23:08.44foxlithttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N1_0SUGlDQ
23:09.27DagmarHopscotch of the Titans sounds much cooler tho'.
23:09.43KrapsAn example of a passive bonus for Assassination rogues would be increased poison damage the more points they spend in Assassination. Likewise, a rogue specialized in Subtlety will receive an energy cost bonus, Beastmaster hunters would receive bonuses to their pet’s damage output, and Marksmanship hunters would receive focus regeneration bonuses, as well. These are just some examples of how...
23:09.45Kraps...passive bonuses bolster each spec of every class.
23:09.53KrapsMastery
23:10.07Krapsnice
23:10.26Krapsa prot warrior?
23:10.46Krapsa bigger shield
23:11.00Kraps:p
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23:13.34Krapsno defense = more dodge/parry/block?
23:13.52foxlitperhaps less.
23:14.51mikma!g cockblock
23:14.52batbotmikma: Cockblock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cockblock>
23:15.26KrapsTo cockblock an individual (usually a male) is a term used to describe the act of someone, intentionally or inadvertently, preventing another person from having sexual intercourse with a third party. A cockblock or cockblocker is a person who engages in such obstruction or intervention.
23:16.04mikmamost interesting thing is the fact its in wikipedia
23:16.49foxlit"According to an article by a freelance writer, Joshua Bernstein, in the New York Press,"
23:17.04foxlitSurely the fact that it's in the new your press is more interesting?
23:17.34Kraps3 million articles didnt make themselves you know
23:17.39mikmanew my press
23:18.13KrapsYou may create the page "Warcraft lore", but consider checking the search results below to see whether it is already covered.
23:18.15Kraps:(
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23:20.42mikmaA primary reason to cockblock is to protect a friend from hooking up under the influence of alcohol, to save the friend from "Sunday morning mortification".
23:20.45mikmaheheheee
23:21.55KrapsWorldwide revenues for MMORPGs exceeded half a billion dollars in 2005,[6] and Western revenues exceeded US$1 billion in 2006.[7] In 2007 and 2008 the virtual goods buying and trading has increased dramatically[citation needed]. Next to the more traditional subscription model, virtual goods are a second source of revenues for publishers. In 2008, Western consumer spending on subscription...
23:21.57Kraps...MMOGs grew to $1.4 billion.[8] The most popular MMORPG, World of Warcraft, has had over 11 million paying subscribers as of 2009.[9]
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23:22.41Krapsbbl
23:23.09DagmarIn contrast, FreeRealms had almost five million registered members, roughly four million of which would be very angry if it was made public
23:23.58LegorolFreeRealms? what's that?
23:24.09DagmarSony's free MMO
23:24.18Dagmar...which is like "My Frst MMO"
23:24.22Dagmars/Frst/First/;
23:24.38foxlit"if it was made public" << what's "it"?
23:24.45DagmarThey're trying their damnedest to make it look like a lot of people are playing it
23:24.54Legoroli was wondering the same as foxlit
23:25.15Dagmarfoxlit: I'm pretty sure that them granting access to all Sony Station IDs had somethign to do with the sudden jump in numbers
23:25.40Dagmar...and a lot of people would probably be rather upset if Sony went around telling their friends about the FreeRealms account they knew nothing about
23:26.23foxlitSo what you meant was "if it was made public that they were registered members of FreeRealms"
23:28.21Legoroli still don't get what Dagmar is saying
23:28.30Legorolwhen you say "them granting access", who is "them"?
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23:28.42foxlitpresumably Sony.
23:28.43Legoroli guess i should google what a sony station ID is
23:28.49ShirikEven if you don't like these types of shows
23:28.53Shiriktotally worth watching: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxPZh4AnWyk&feature=related
23:30.33LegorolShirik: that's really old, and it's absolutely amazing
23:30.39Shirik:(
23:30.41ShirikI just saw it
23:30.41Legorolit grew into a very famous story, at least on this side of the pond
23:31.00Legorolthe best part is how skeptical the judge panel is in the first place
23:31.08Legoroland then the way their facial expressions change during the performance
23:31.19Legorolthat woman went on to become a national celebrity
23:31.41ilovemrdoeit's largely down to how they edit it, but she does have a good voice
23:31.55ZorbaBetahttp://j.photos.cx/tribunal.local-sensors_temp-week-199.png this sort of amuses me. guess when I did questhelper builds :D
23:33.19Legorolilovemrdoe: true, but still, the story is amazing
23:33.42Legorolshe is a noname housewife from nowhere who became famous overnight, and not because of her looks, but because of her previously undiscovered talent
23:33.43Legoroli likes it
23:35.01ShirikThe apartment complex just called me
23:35.06ShirikThey severely fucked up my AC
23:35.08Shirikbeyond what I expected
23:35.08DagmarHer ability to swallow an entire banana without chewing?
23:35.19ShirikApparently it leaks freon faster than they can fill it up
23:35.32ShirikThis is after having replaced a capacitor and motor
23:36.06DagmarWait, is that *your* AC unit or the complex's?
23:36.11Shirikmine
23:36.15Shirikeach unit has their own AC system
23:36.16Shirikfor whatever reason
23:36.29DagmarNo, I mean _who_ is responsible for paying for that?
23:36.33Shirikthey are
23:36.39Shirikthe complex owns it
23:36.39DagmarTHank god
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23:37.30DagmarMaybe next time they'll have the sense to get a written diagnosis and estimate before allowing the tech to begin replacing parts
23:37.41DagmarThe leaking glycol should have been dead obvious
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23:38.08VonhintenHOME`fuuuuck, again... I forget my daily item, fly back to UP from Dal, additional instances can't be launched... I finally get in, no boss body to loot, all trash respawned...
23:38.09DagmarA pressure test is fairly trivial to perform, and you literally just listed all the parts of the unit that matter
23:38.16VonhintenHOME`Getting fucking tired of this shit
23:38.41foxlitIt was over by the time you got "additional instances can't be launched"
23:38.58VonhintenHOME`I know, they're fucking killing instances way too quickly
23:39.15DagmarTrash respawns?
23:39.23DagmarHmm...
23:39.27foxlitOr you could loot the boss.
23:39.32foxlitBefore leaving the instance. :)
23:39.34VonhintenHOME`yeah, the dungeon state was kept, except the trash respawned
23:40.21VonhintenHOME`foxlit, why the hell can't they just make those quest items like Badges, autoloot to everyone on the quest
23:40.36VonhintenHOME`They whole system is set up so that one person picks up loot, everyone gets their shit, except for quest items
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23:41.28VonhintenHOME`anything of significance should be autolooted when one person does it
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23:41.49DagmarMost of hte time it works, too
23:41.50VonhintenHOME`their loot system is simply terrible
23:41.52DagmarIt's awesome
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23:42.07foxlitTheir loot system allows you to screw up.
23:42.12DagmarI probably actually looted maybe 2/3 of the heroic badges I was supposed to
23:42.26foxlitWhile that isn't optimal, it's hardly a disaster.
23:42.28Jerubyeah, that whole endgame looting system confuses me.
23:43.35Jerubthe rule is basically right click on anything that sparkles, but they break the "and get rewarded personally" for it bit. most of the time you get a divvy of the gold and someone else ninja's the items.
23:44.19DagmarWell, the auto-dispensed badges arne't supposed to be physical loot really
23:44.27Jerubbut they are :P
23:44.42DagmarThey just credit that you can spend, like honor
23:44.42VonhintenHOME`How terrible is a loot system where you click an item, it autodistributes that item, synchronously over the course of like 10 seconds... and totally blocks the autodistribution of other similar items
23:46.31ZorbaBetathat's one thing I liked about FFXI's looting system
23:46.50ZorbaBetaitems dropped, they just showed up in the loot window and got autodispatched to someone if nobody needed on 'em
23:48.11VonhintenHOME`They're either using some kind of transaction system with heavy locking, or they're intentionally slowing loot distribution down for some other reason
23:48.23VonhintenHOME`There's no way a system could be that slow unless designed that way
23:51.04DagmarIt's locking
23:51.10ZorbaBetaI suspect it's designed that way to avoid flooding people off from loot spam
23:51.14ZorbaBetaI agree it's ridiculous, however
23:51.15Dagmarer not locking... pfft.  confirming writes
23:51.44DagmarOnly way to be certain no one's going to figure out a way to race the things
23:52.32DagmarMight be doing both for all I know but it's definitely not doing any "call and forget" stuff and expecting that the sql server will work out any conflicts
23:53.11DagmarOne of the first things I've tried was racing it to see if we could make it double-up the loots
23:53.21Shirik~x jp en すきですか？
23:53.28Shirik:/
23:53.39DagmarI'm a bit freaking tired of losers finding dupe exploits and well, exploiting them
23:53.58ShirikDagmar: What, do you expect people to obey by rules?
23:54.00Shirikwtf is wrong with you
23:54.04Jerubi'm tired of going to work to support my wow habit ;)
23:54.06DagmarNow if I think there might be a race condition, I try to break it so I can report it
23:54.42DagmarShirik: I don't like seeing mudflation go berzerk because a great hole just opened up and poured jillions of gold coins into the pockets of a select, immoral few
23:55.07Shirikwhen that happened in a game I worked on, we spent literally weeks undoing it
23:55.07Jerubmudflation?
23:55.20Shirikand it was only "open" for an hour or two
23:55.20DagmarJerub: Yes, the devaluation of in-game currency
23:55.43DagmarGenerally it will _destroy_ an economy in a hurry
23:55.51DagmarLike, in EverQuest II
23:56.10Jerubbut wow's economy is already destroyed. it's non-funtional.
23:56.34DagmarHow even the semi rare things for the lowest tier of equipment and spells are sold for more than what any toon could conceivably expect to make until they're twice the level at which that becomes useless
23:56.34Jerubjust by playing the game you have enough cash to get everything but swift flying by level 80. swift can be bought in a week or two of play.
23:56.46DagmarJerub: That's not broken
23:56.47Jerubnone of the items you need at 80 can be bought for gold.
23:56.48DagmarThat's functional
23:56.58Dagmar\It's actually somewhat stsable
23:57.14foxlitDagmar: your example isn't broken either :)
23:57.22Dagmarfoxlit: It's very broken, dude
23:57.37JerubDagmar: well, the point is, it's not an economy.
23:57.49Jerubeverything-having-enough-money-and-no-where-to-spend-it isn't an economy.
23:57.50Jerub;
23:57.51Jerub;)
23:58.04Dagmarfoxlit: The thing was designed a bit like wow in that some inter-person trading of materials was expected to happen just so people could make stuff
23:58.27DagmarTo get the same effect in WOW you'd have to be seeing linen cloth going for 40 gold a stack
23:58.30Shirikok, I've heard some pretty cynical comments in the past
23:58.33foxlitoh,EQ.
23:58.34Shirikbut I think my guild takes the cake
23:58.44foxlitI can't comment on the state of that economy.
23:58.45Shirik"I hope you get an infection in your penis and then it has to be amputated."
23:58.53foxlitIt's the same issue in wow, though, isn't it?
23:59.26Dagmarfoxlit: Nah, stuff is mudflated by twinks a bit, but you can actually manage to still buy stuff you need from the AH
23:59.27foxlitgood low-level gear costs more than the total gold earned by the players for whom its relevant.
23:59.56DagmarBlue gear is always goughed, but greens are common enough you can fair trade your way through it

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