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| 00:01.38 | kd3 | mmm... food was good |
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| 00:14.37 | foxlit | is planning to commit UI design atrocities. |
| 00:15.02 | Lopeppeppy | Food is usually good, in some way or another. |
| 00:15.28 | foxlit | Current plan: you alt-click on a binding-capturing button to pop up a text box |
| 00:15.34 | foxlit | Into which you can then type binding-related crap. |
| 00:16.00 | foxlit | And then you... dismiss the text box, either saving or discarding the input. |
| 00:16.14 | Legorol | Interesting how you get used to things without noticing: I had a shortcut to WoW on my QuickLaunch bar. Today I removed it because I thought to myself "meh, i never use the quicklaunch bar". 10 minutes later I wanted to log in to WoW, and as I was unable to, I realised why: I was using the shortcut on the QuickLaunch bar all along! |
| 00:16.46 | foxlit | I'm leaning on discarding on ESCAPE presses, and requiring you to alt-click the binding button again to save. |
| 00:16.50 | foxlit | How horrible is this? |
| 00:16.58 | Ackis | rawr |
| 00:17.04 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 00:18.05 | Lopeppeppy | ~huggle Gryphon |
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| 00:20.40 | Kemayo | Legorol: Templates aren't what I mean. I meant that in Lua you can create a frame when you need it -- like adding more lines/buttons to something as required. Whereas in XML you have to create them all up front. (Or make a template... and then use Lua to create more instances of it.) |
| 00:21.03 | Kemayo | may possibly have responded an hour and twenty minutes after Legorol said that. |
| 00:21.13 | tekkub | or just make a factory and fuck the template |
| 00:21.24 | foxlit | # Zaphod Beeblebrox... he's the guy you wanna vote for! |
| 00:21.25 | Kemayo | Well, yes, that's what I do. |
| 00:21.27 | Legorol | yes Kemayo, that is indeed the strong point of creating frames from Lua |
| 00:21.39 | Legorol | what i was trying to say is that, even if you need dynamic frames, you can often create the template in XML |
| 00:21.45 | tekkub | foxlit: oh, belgium |
| 00:22.06 | Legorol | so, for the first time today in a long time i felt that my guild sucks :/ we made a half-assed attempt on faction champions and gave up after only 3 tries |
| 00:22.19 | foxlit | tekkub: belgium? |
| 00:22.28 | Legorol | the main reason being that our raid leader was underprepared and incompetent, which threw the whole thing off |
| 00:22.47 | Legorol | not to mention undecisive :( |
| 00:22.52 | tekkub | belgium |
| 00:22.55 | Kemayo | I don't think there's anything left that you can do in XML that you can't do through Lua now... so I just feel neater keeping the whole thing in Lua. |
| 00:23.07 | Legorol | Kemayo: apples and oranges |
| 00:23.12 | Legorol | and to each their own |
| 00:23.13 | Kemayo | Yup. |
| 00:23.27 | Legorol | I feel that separating structure from function, and describing structure in XML, is neater |
| 00:23.36 | Kemayo | I only returned to the topic because I thought you'd misunderstood me. :) |
| 00:23.40 | Legorol | it's all about what works for you |
| 00:23.40 | tekkub | you can't set numlines on a fontstring in lua |
| 00:23.44 | tekkub | otherwise, yea |
| 00:24.11 | Legorol | Come to think of it, I just realised today that I think our raid leader really sucks |
| 00:24.29 | foxlit | Raid leading is a thankless job that most people should avoid. |
| 00:24.33 | Legorol | He is good at following set tactics off the web, things that we have practiced many times and keeping an eye on many things at once in the fight, |
| 00:24.45 | Legorol | but he sucks at independent thinking, coming up with new strategies or adapting to changing situations |
| 00:25.03 | Legorol | foxlit: i am not talking about the thankless part, you can love, appreciate and respect a raid leader |
| 00:25.22 | Legorol | besides, i have done tons of raid leading myself, i enjoy it and i think i'm moderately good at it |
| 00:25.42 | Legorol | it's because when you raid lead, you feel like you are playing a strategy game, rather than just the single character you yourself play |
| 00:25.52 | Legorol | that element i enjoy a lot |
| 00:26.11 | Lopeppeppy | What part does he suck at, Legorol? |
| 00:26.18 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, duh, Peppy can read. Sorry. |
| 00:26.20 | Legorol | so anyway, we gave up on faction champions way too fast because our RL essentially said: "i have no idea what to do, i want to do it later once others have posted strats" |
| 00:26.41 | Legorol | but the problem is: there will be NO strats for faction champions |
| 00:27.03 | Legorol | that's the thign i got really excited about at first, you can't approach it with a set strat, you have to do a lot of communicating and improvising on the go it seems |
| 00:27.17 | Legorol | our RL started by marking up kill order, and of course we failed |
| 00:28.50 | Legorol | what really annoys me is that we had plenty of motivated, smart raiders there with plenty PvP experience who could've led us through the fight, and who were volunteering ideas constantly |
| 00:29.01 | Legorol | we basically dropped the fight only because of the RL |
| 00:29.06 | Legorol | that sucks :/ |
| 00:29.09 | Legorol | usually it's the other way around |
| 00:29.59 | Lopeppeppy | So ask him next time if you can lead that fight, that you've got some ideas for how to make it work. |
| 00:30.26 | Lopeppeppy | Much as I hated my RL personally, he was good at that... when someone else could figure out a strategy, he would let them lead for a few attempts to give it a shot. |
| 00:30.35 | Legorol | unfortunately Lopeppeppy i'm currently on the bad side of the officers :( |
| 00:30.44 | Legorol | it's a long story, but atm they are picking on me, so it's not going to happen |
| 00:30.49 | bleeter | note to all: Piding 2.5.9 is out, bugfix release for 2.5.8. Also release, is pidguin 2.6.1 which brings GTalk XMPP voice/video ;) |
| 00:30.49 | Legorol | internal guild politics |
| 00:31.12 | bleeter | s/pidguin/pidgin/ |
| 00:31.24 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: i actually used to be assistant/replacement raid leader and lead many of our raids in the past |
| 00:31.37 | Legorol | the current climate is not conducive to that |
| 00:32.27 | Legorol | there's nothing more frustrating than sitting there thinking "i could do so much better and they are not letting me" (whether i'm right or wrong is irrelevant from the pov of my emotions) |
| 00:32.56 | Cidwel | AcceptBattleport T_________________T |
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| 00:33.34 | Lopeppeppy | hugs Legorol |
| 00:33.41 | Legorol | unfortunately this guy is so bad that he sometimes gives self-contradictory instructions, doesn't realise it, and then tells off the raiders for not following instructions |
| 00:33.58 | bleeter | Legorol: gah those kinda people make me wisht here was interactive internet |
| 00:34.04 | Legorol | i really feel he has no tactical sense or overview of the fights, and he only gets by "by rote", copying others' tactics, without understanding why they work |
| 00:34.07 | bleeter | climb down the cables n punch 'em in the face |
| 00:34.14 | Legorol | to give you an example: |
| 00:34.26 | kd3 | so why is he a RL? |
| 00:34.34 | Legorol | for those of you that have done Jaraxxus this example will make more sense, but i'll make the example generic |
| 00:34.37 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, do you work for/with the pidgin team? |
| 00:35.03 | Legorol | His positioning instructions for the fight were: boss in the center, raid group fan out in a semi-circle on one side of the area, |
| 00:35.24 | Legorol | and offtank picks up adds that spawn and tank her/them on the opposite side from the raid group, keeping away from the center |
| 00:35.35 | Legorol | so far so good, it can potentially work |
| 00:35.42 | Cidwel | who is the blaming target? |
| 00:36.02 | Legorol | however, having placed the offtank (and adds) on the opposite side from the raid group, he then asked all ranged dps to focus fire on adds |
| 00:36.05 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: I've been involved, yes |
| 00:36.23 | Legorol | mid-fight, he even called out on vent for more ranged to focus on adds, which of course was impossible, as they were out of range thanks to his positioning plan |
| 00:36.38 | kd3 | grr |
| 00:36.38 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, can you get them to have the installer shut down pidgin? |
| 00:36.42 | bleeter | I should note that I have no idea if XMPP voice/video's working on Windows, I've heard that some of the developers have had success with it. it might be compiled out on current builds |
| 00:36.43 | kd3 | wtb non-broken instance servers |
| 00:36.53 | Legorol | how silly is that, if you position something like this: Add ------ Boss ----- Raid, and then expect Raid to reach Add |
| 00:36.57 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:37.13 | Legorol | and the worst part: |
| 00:37.26 | Legorol | pre-pull, some of the raiders tried to voice their confusion over the positioning |
| 00:37.44 | Legorol | and his response was: "yeah whatever, it doesn't really matter how we position, it works either way, just go with this for now" |
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| 00:37.59 | Gnarfoz | sounds like he knows his shit. xD |
| 00:38.14 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: can you file a bug report? http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/TipsForBugReports |
| 00:38.19 | Legorol | unfortunately we did manage to beat the encounter, which just reinforced to him that thinking about positioning is not important |
| 00:38.38 | kd3 | I reiterate... why is he an RL again? |
| 00:38.44 | Legorol | kd3: politics |
| 00:38.48 | bleeter | kd3: Maiku had some success with it on windows, what magic foo he used I have no idea ;) |
| 00:38.49 | Legorol | and the worst kind |
| 00:38.54 | Lopeppeppy | Politics suck, assassinate him. |
| 00:38.58 | kd3 | ^ |
| 00:39.20 | Legorol | kd3: this guy founded the guild, used to be its guildleader, until one day he decided that we are not good enough for him and he wants to try his hands at more hardcore |
| 00:39.23 | NeoTron | Legorol: is he the GM or the significant other of the GM? |
| 00:39.25 | Legorol | he moved up to a more hardcore guild |
| 00:39.32 | bleeter | and failed? |
| 00:39.33 | kd3 | >.> |
| 00:39.34 | Legorol | but he somehow retained officer status in our guild |
| 00:39.46 | bleeter | retained jerk status, more like |
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| 00:39.57 | Legorol | couple months later, having accumulated a lot of "valuable experience", he came back and somehow not only was reinstated as an officer, but was immediately made raid leader |
| 00:40.00 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, i guess it isnt that important to me since i have no desire to create an account there |
| 00:40.17 | NeoTron | apparently I was not a bad raid leader, which is hard for me to consider, based on that I'm a typical introverted guy in RL. INTP all the way. |
| 00:40.46 | NeoTron | but I lead my guild(s) successfully from Karazhan to Ulduar, so must have done something right (never the best, but never tried to be) |
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| 00:40.55 | Legorol | the problem is that many of the rest of the officers make the same mistake as him, thinking that if yo uhave seen how others/betters do it, you know what to do |
| 00:41.30 | Legorol | i'm really getting fed up with the "but uber-guild X does it this way so it must be a good strat" arguments :/ |
| 00:41.30 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: hah well it does me no good, each time I try 'create new ticket' it tells me 'forbidden' :/ |
| 00:41.56 | Lopeppeppy | Legorol, that was one of the reasons I left my raid guild, we could only do strategies off Elitist Jerks and they did not work for our non-optimal group. |
| 00:41.58 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, guess they dont like you wany more |
| 00:42.13 | bleeter | kd3: http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/vv#BuildingwithVoiceandVideo << how to build for Win32 |
| 00:42.24 | Thunder_Child | s/w// |
| 00:42.35 | Legorol | as much as most WoW encounters can be beaten by copy/pasted strategies, you still have to tune it a bit to your raid group |
| 00:42.41 | bleeter | kd3: would seem the issue is farsight not having a windows installer |
| 00:42.45 | NeoTron | maybe part of what I did was to encourage and ask for feedback on how to beat an encounter |
| 00:42.45 | Legorol | and especially in Ulduar, there are several alternatives in many cases |
| 00:42.57 | NeoTron | often you can find many perspectives - some worked, some didn't |
| 00:43.04 | Legorol | NeoTron: yeah |
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| 00:43.15 | Legorol | we actually had an interesting problem with that |
| 00:43.32 | Legorol | we somehow got to the point where too many people were offering up too many opinions, mostly because we were lacking an effective/competent RL |
| 00:43.35 | JackBurton | there was a patch today? anyone got a url mirror? |
| 00:43.36 | NeoTron | some guild leaders can't stand mere raiders having opinions |
| 00:43.38 | Legorol | and the officers decided to crack down on it |
| 00:43.50 | Thunder_Child | i'm amused that the next blizzcon came around before the beta keys of the previous blizzcon got used |
| 00:43.52 | Legorol | now we are at the opposite extreme: we are not allowed independent thought |
| 00:43.59 | NeoTron | a lot of that in the past was forum based |
| 00:44.04 | Legorol | when an officer says you jump, you better jump, no excuses, or you get flamed |
| 00:44.20 | NeoTron | of course I was always an officer and later GM in BC/LK raiding |
| 00:44.34 | NeoTron | especially in LK it helped because we had shed all legacy baggage (bads basically) |
| 00:44.42 | Legorol | i do admit that things were getting out of hand, raidchat essentially being a chaotic mess of alternate suggestions, which needed cracking down on |
| 00:44.51 | NeoTron | of course in the end it all crashed and burned because people burned out from LK raiding in general |
| 00:44.59 | Legorol | right |
| 00:45.12 | NeoTron | at times during SWP especially I made vent do a global mute when I spoke |
| 00:45.23 | NeoTron | mainly to do loot though, people would chatter non-stop when I tried to announce it |
| 00:45.46 | Legorol | flooded raidchat and vent can be a problem idd |
| 00:45.59 | Legorol | in our case i feel that the problem largely arose due to a void being filled: |
| 00:46.11 | Legorol | there was no competent raid leadership imo, and people felt they need to speak up |
| 00:46.17 | Legorol | the flooding was almost never social banter |
| 00:46.34 | Legorol | it was usually "lets go right, no left, no center, yeah right, no center, but top is better!" |
| 00:46.39 | NeoTron | so why are people sticking around? that's the real question |
| 00:46.47 | Legorol | because we aren't a bad guild per se |
| 00:47.02 | Legorol | there are a lot of social ties that evolved as well, and we do have a lot of nice, smart and competent players |
| 00:47.12 | Legorol | it's just the managamenet that's been a bit off over the past few months |
| 00:47.21 | Legorol | and i guess most people feel they don't want to leave just yet |
| 00:47.23 | Lopeppeppy | Then they deserve to be given a chance to lead too, learn the ropes. |
| 00:47.26 | Legorol | as we do want to play with each other |
| 00:47.43 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: i entirely agree with that, which is why i'm biting my tongue and seeing how things are going |
| 00:47.57 | Legorol | unfortunately they are not being very respectful to our raiders which doesn't help |
| 00:48.17 | NeoTron | sounds like an attempt to shoot oneself in the foot while pretending not to |
| 00:48.19 | Legorol | one of the officers have lately gotten to swearing on vent which was unheard of before, and i think it will just get worse |
| 00:48.55 | Legorol | btw, this is just me moaning because i don't like to see my guild this way, |
| 00:49.12 | Legorol | but i don't want to leave because the majority of the guild is great and i would want to be playing with them |
| 00:49.53 | Legorol | i just hope the officers learn the ropes before they shatter the guild :) we'll see which one happens first |
| 00:50.47 | Lopeppeppy | Have you told the officers what you see? |
| 00:50.51 | foxlit | # Don't believe the rumors... don't believe those vicious lies... He smiled at you! |
| 00:52.11 | NeoTron | Lopeppeppy: might be raider suicide to complain to the almighty leaders! |
| 00:52.12 | bleeter | anyone here read russian? |
| 00:52.24 | Lopeppeppy | Nyet, bleeter. |
| 00:52.27 | foxlit | gr. |
| 00:52.33 | Legorol | Lopeppeppy: it's not the right time, there are some hot tempers that need to cool atm |
| 00:52.37 | Lopeppeppy | Neo, it sometimes is, but at least you tried. |
| 00:52.39 | bleeter | http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/26/iv-6.3/0_28717_8f1f01ae_M.jpg << trying to work out what's said here |
| 00:52.40 | foxlit | itunes sync wrecks the ipod-downloaded podcast association |
| 00:52.48 | NeoTron | guild leadership can be damn harsh though. we even had to deal with sexual harrassment by one of our raiders |
| 00:52.51 | daev` | Lopeppeppy: are you trying to learn russian |
| 00:52.53 | NeoTron | that wasn't exactly what I signed up for |
| 00:53.02 | Legorol | as it happens, one of the usually very quiet people suddenly made a forum post in one of the more heated threads, essentially saying exactly what i would've liked to say about the officers' behaviour |
| 00:53.02 | foxlit | bleeter: "Has you: yes" |
| 00:53.11 | Legorol | it was a big surprise and relief that other people feel the same way |
| 00:53.14 | foxlit | Some sort of IM status window? |
| 00:53.19 | bleeter | foxlit: pidgin MSN thing |
| 00:53.27 | Lopeppeppy | daev, very nyet! |
| 00:53.47 | NeoTron | Legorol: and now his/her dead body is buried under the officers house? |
| 00:53.48 | bleeter | we were guessing it was the has you thing, but for some reason the guy pointing it out suggests it's fail |
| 00:53.56 | bleeter | and we were thinking maybe mistranslation |
| 00:53.59 | Legorol | NeoTron: nah |
| 00:54.03 | Lopeppeppy | Or slang, bleeter? |
| 00:54.15 | daev` | I wanna learn Russian myself. Seems kinda tough. |
| 00:54.23 | bleeter | 'has you' relates to whether you are on the recipient's buddy list |
| 00:54.31 | bleeter | 'coz MSN is braindead like that |
| 00:54.45 | foxlit | It's a shoddy phrase even in english |
| 00:56.12 | bleeter | it's also a bit of a joke amongst the pidgin devs... so if I bang in 'has you' to translate.google.com, it comes back ' |
| 00:56.15 | bleeter | 'ÐÑ Ð¸Ð¼ÐµÐµÑ' |
| 00:56.36 | bleeter | what's the diff between ÐÑ and what's on that image? |
| 00:57.02 | foxlit | Google just generally fails on short phrases. |
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| 01:00.27 | Beutju | can i make the text in an editbox copyable but disable writing in this box? |
| 01:06.21 | cog|away | ahh 16-year-olds... my sister just came in to complain that her school took the mirrors out of the girls' bathrooms 'cause they didn't want girls taking breaks just to go make themselves pretty |
| 01:06.46 | cog|away | Beutju: set an OnKey handler that doesn't do anything |
| 01:07.17 | cogwheel | i think |
| 01:07.17 | Lopeppeppy | They took them out of my bathrooms so we'd stop breaking them. :) |
| 01:07.40 | Bruners | or simply stopped replacing them?:P |
| 01:08.07 | Lopeppeppy | It's only 75 degrees, but the humidity is 90%... do I dare open a window? *sigh* |
| 01:08.17 | Mr_Rabies | that's pretty brutal cog |
| 01:08.18 | cogwheel | no... they were there yesterday, and they actually made an announcement about it :P |
| 01:08.48 | Mr_Rabies | i love how schools are heading that direction nowadays |
| 01:09.13 | NeoTron | school, prison - the difference is shrinking |
| 01:09.13 | Mr_Rabies | fences, security guards, metal detectors, |
| 01:09.33 | Lopeppeppy | Strip seaches. |
| 01:09.34 | Mr_Rabies | unreasonable search and seizure all the time |
| 01:09.47 | Mr_Rabies | i'm glad i graduated in 05 |
| 01:09.57 | Mr_Rabies | i saw things heading that way and i'm glad i got out before it got too bad |
| 01:10.13 | bleeter | Mr_Rabies: I didn't realise you were such a baby! :P |
| 01:10.36 | Mr_Rabies | gimme mah juiiiice |
| 01:10.53 | kd3 | wtfs at this new lua error complaining about the battlefield minimap |
| 01:13.28 | Beutju | cogwheel, i addes functions for OnKeyDown/Up OnEditFocusLost/gaines and OnChar, but does not work |
| 01:15.01 | Beutju | <Scripts> |
| 01:15.01 | Beutju | <OnKeyDown>RaidInfoExtended_EditBox_InstanceID_OnKeyDown();</OnKeyDown> |
| 01:15.01 | Beutju | <OnKeyUp>RaidInfoExtended_EditBox_InstanceID_OnKeyUp();</OnKeyUp> |
| 01:15.01 | Beutju | <OnChar>RaidInfoExtended_EditBox_InstanceID_OnChar();</OnChar> |
| 01:15.01 | Beutju | <OnEditFocusGained>RaidInfoExtended_EditBox_InstanceID_OnEditFocusGained();</OnEditFocusGained> |
| 01:15.02 | Beutju | <OnEditFocusLost>RaidInfoExtended_EditBox_InstanceID_OnEditFocusLost();</OnEditFocusLost> |
| 01:15.04 | Beutju | </Scripts> |
| 01:15.17 | kd3 | whoa whoa whoa. don't paste in here |
| 01:15.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Hi, that is quite a bit of spam |
| 01:15.21 | kd3 | http://wowuidev.pastey.net |
| 01:15.25 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 01:15.40 | foxlit | [The concept is fundamentally flawed: those handlers notify you that something happened, not allow you to prevent it from happening] |
| 01:16.54 | foxlit | s/you to prevent it from happening/consult you to determine whether it should happen/ |
| 01:16.57 | cogwheel | oh duh |
| 01:17.04 | cogwheel | no less duh |
| 01:17.06 | cogwheel | hmm |
| 01:17.24 | Jerub | man, wow would be impossible with addons. |
| 01:17.44 | Lopeppeppy | ? |
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| 01:20.51 | Jerub | without |
| 01:20.52 | Jerub | i meant without |
| 01:21.23 | kd3 | meh, a lot of people (including top-end raiders) make do without mods |
| 01:21.38 | Lopeppeppy | You can play any way you want to, that's the beauty. |
| 01:22.00 | foxlit | The only thing that could prove problematic is the quality of the built-in unit frames. |
| 01:22.46 | foxlit | But then, the only people who care about those are healers. |
| 01:23.54 | Lopeppeppy | Usually, yup. And I've healed with stock frames in 40 man, I could do it in smaller if I had to. |
| 01:24.24 | foxlit | Which 40 man? |
| 01:24.52 | Lopeppeppy | would have had to be mc/bwl, I'd assume. |
| 01:25.48 | foxlit | You tell me :) |
| 01:26.07 | foxlit | That particular answer raises more questions: which stock frames? when? at what level? :) |
| 01:26.16 | Jerub | healing a 40 man without addons? wow :) |
| 01:26.42 | Jerub | though, come to think of it, it's more battlegrounds that annoy me. |
| 01:26.50 | Jerub | because i have no idea who is in range and who isn't. |
| 01:26.57 | foxlit | Click people. |
| 01:27.04 | foxlit | Or tab-assist opposite faction members. |
| 01:27.30 | Jerub | when i click people i always miss and get the opposing hunter's pet or something |
| 01:29.09 | Lopeppeppy | I dunno, it was forever ago and I'm tired. Wasn't AQ, because I didn't do that one (it was on a work night), so that only leave BWL and MC. After that, it was 2.0 and smaller raid groups. |
| 01:35.42 | Kaso | ~framexml |
| 01:35.43 | purl | Official: (Mac) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.dmg, (Win) http://ftp.blizzard.com/pub/WoW/other/AddOnKit.zip. Compare: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 01:36.29 | Lopeppeppy | Night guys! Happy Blizcon to anyone going! |
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| 01:49.09 | kd3 | whuh? the 'leave wintergrasp?' prompt popped on a flight path |
| 01:55.35 | Gnarfoz | kd3: well, maybe the gryphon was checking if you didn't maybe rather want to turn around? ;) |
| 01:56.58 | Kaso | @@ -367,2 +367,3 @@ |
| 01:56.58 | Kaso | function DevTools_DumpCommand(msg, editBox) |
| 01:56.58 | Kaso | + forceinsecure(); |
| 01:57.06 | Kaso | one line bugfixes are the best |
| 01:57.08 | kd3 | slow kaso is slow |
| 01:57.19 | Kaso | hey we only just got the patch here :( |
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| 02:10.36 | digmouse | Fixed an exploit players were using with / commands |
| 02:10.38 | digmouse | is this the fix for /dump? |
| 02:10.48 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 02:11.04 | digmouse | aha, faster than thought |
| 02:11.06 | Kaso | @@ -367,2 +367,3 @@ |
| 02:11.07 | Kaso | function DevTools_DumpCommand(msg, editBox) |
| 02:11.07 | Kaso | + forceinsecure(); |
| 02:19.28 | ZorbaTHut | kaso, even better are bugs fixed solely by deleting lines of code |
| 02:19.28 | ZorbaTHut | I fixed a bug once by deleting a function and all references to it. no other modifications or additions. |
| 02:19.30 | Dagmar | BUG STOMPED! |
| 02:20.42 | kd3 | rgrr |
| 02:22.06 | kd3 | is still trying to figure out what's causing the battlefieldminimap error with no loaded mods |
| 02:22.43 | Thunder_Child | blizzard is |
| 02:23.30 | NightHawkTheSane | that's really more of a who than a what |
| 02:23.43 | kd3 | I still wish I could send a \n to force a disconnect after a desynch |
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| 02:54.46 | ScytheBlade1 | !api UUID |
| 02:54.46 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'UUID'. |
| 02:54.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Hm, what is the function |
| 02:54.55 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 02:54.56 | ScytheBlade1 | !api GUID |
| 02:54.57 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'GUID': GetPlayerInfoByGUID, UnitGUID |
| 02:58.54 | Kraps | This video is most popular with: |
| 02:58.56 | Kraps | Male 35-44 |
| 02:58.58 | Kraps | Male 25-34 |
| 02:58.59 | Kraps | Male 45-54 |
| 02:59.02 | Kraps | nyk nyk |
| 03:01.26 | Kraps | http://www.geekologie.com/2009/08/18/plates.jpg |
| 03:05.14 | Dagmar | heh |
| 03:05.19 | Dagmar | What video is that? |
| 03:05.29 | Dagmar | Olivia Munn naked and uncensored? |
| 03:09.31 | Kraps | Dagmar: nah, just the guilds music video |
| 03:11.52 | cogwheel | lol |
| 03:13.52 | Bruners | is there a GetNumBuffs() ? |
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| 03:16.47 | durcyn | no, just go 1-40 until UnitAura returns nil |
| 03:17.10 | cogwheel | there's probably a constant for that... :P |
| 03:17.14 | cogwheel | "constant" |
| 03:17.54 | Nathan_R_Cda | Hi wowuidev, quick question... is #SavedVariables[PerCharacter]Â still the preferred method of saving data between sessions? I'm an experienced software dev but newbish with lua and WoW addons, would like a confirmation that http://www.wowwiki.com/Saving_variables_between_game_sessions isn't too out of date :) |
| 03:18.09 | ScytheBlade1 | It's the only way |
| 03:18.31 | Nathan_R_Cda | Great, thank you ScytheBlade1 |
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| 03:24.34 | kd3 | what the hell... running HoL... we've had 3 paper cutters and another blue drop off trash already |
| 03:47.54 | cogwheel | http://www.netobjectives.com/PatternRepository/index.php?title=ResignPatterns |
| 03:50.44 | cogwheel | I use the Absolver pattern all the time >< |
| 03:59.35 | kd3 | "When in doubt, C4". I think I could live by that mantra... |
| 04:02.25 | Kraps | redvsblue ftw |
| 04:09.37 | bleeter | heh qh's new advertising trick is cute |
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| 04:13.55 | cogwheel | ? |
| 04:14.20 | Dagmar | Does it say "Click here to fap discretely during the raid"? |
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| 04:16.11 | AbsolutRayne | Silly question, if I have WoW Open, and I need to clear my Cache, can I do that and Reload, or do I totally have to relaunch WoW? |
| 04:19.39 | Dagmar | If you'd like to NOT watch the client go down in flames, you'll exit WoW cleanly, THEN erase the cache, and then restart WoW. |
| 04:19.50 | AbsolutRayne | Thats all I needed to know |
| 04:19.54 | Dagmar | For some reason it doesn't react well to having someone delete the cache it's using |
| 04:20.27 | AbsolutRayne | Ive been having really, really odd crashes...and I cant really pinpoint whats causing them |
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| 04:25.35 | AbsolutRayne | I think its just Data overload |
| 04:25.53 | AbsolutRayne | And my ISP might be to blame for it...possibly just my Router |
| 04:29.04 | bleeter | ewww wowui@ use html email! |
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| 05:02.49 | Kraps | drugs are bad mkay? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyutwC_4USA&feature=channel |
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| 05:10.19 | AnduinLothar | http://www.blizzard.com/blizzcon/extra/failoc.xml |
| 05:11.34 | AnduinLothar | "Tips: There might be a cow level. (Next) No, there isn't. Sorry." |
| 05:21.52 | bleeter | Kraps: do you ever get stuff like wow failing to launch, and if you CTRL+C, you see 'err:module:attach_process_dlls "gdi32.dll" failed to initialize, aborting'? |
| 05:21.58 | bleeter | bah, s/kraps/kd3/ |
| 05:22.21 | bleeter | kd3: I thought it was because I'd updated some libs without rebooting... but this time I ain't updated squat /puzzle |
| 05:22.28 | Kraps | oh yeah, all the time bleeter |
| 05:22.35 | Kraps | <.< |
| 05:22.48 | kd3 | nope. only random 'fail to launch' bugs I run in to are when wine_pulse fails occasionally |
| 05:23.02 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, do you ever get "you have spent to much time trying to get this to work, switch to windows" |
| 05:23.55 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: nah, 'coz I spend more time doing other stuff that's a lot easier on non-windows that the occasional fail for WoW don't pain me that much when I'm playing casual |
| 05:24.04 | kd3 | anyway, off to bed. I fly to LA in ~12 hours |
| 05:24.07 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: when I play 'hardcore' sure I boot to windows :P |
| 05:24.12 | bleeter | kd3: safe sleep n travels |
| 05:24.26 | Thunder_Child | have fun kd3 |
| 05:24.46 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, uh, 'hardcore'? |
| 05:25.04 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: non-casual, then :P |
| 05:25.59 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, do most of the other things require serious system resources/hardware? |
| 05:26.10 | Thunder_Child | s/most/any/ |
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| 05:27.46 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: yes, which is why they're not run on Windows :P |
| 05:29.19 | NiLon | is that topic toc still valid even tho there was small update? |
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| 05:30.18 | cogwheel | toc only changes when they change the api (essentially) |
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| 05:41.54 | bluspacecow | *sigh* |
| 05:42.06 | bluspacecow | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22069&goto=newpost |
| 05:45.42 | bleeter | anyone know a good addon that tracks pets and mounts across toons? akin to recipebook? |
| 05:46.01 | Fisker | i was sleeping |
| 05:46.04 | Fisker | you bastard |
| 05:48.10 | bluspacecow | ~fish Fisker |
| 05:48.11 | purl | ACTION slaps Fisker around with a large trout |
| 05:48.27 | Fisker | STOP RESETTING LOAD OUT OF DATE ADDON RAGE |
| 05:48.33 | Fisker | jerks |
| 05:49.25 | Kraps | how long does this failoc game go on? |
| 05:49.38 | Fisker | forever durr |
| 05:50.10 | Kraps | i alrready unlocked locking and unlocking modes |
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| 07:32.40 | Vilkku | hmm, what are these /dump macros I keep hearing about? |
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| 07:42.42 | Arrowmaster | well /dump ends up wraping whatever is given to it in a loadstring() and executing it, it was doing this with secure code which it shouldnt have been |
| 07:43.13 | Arrowmaster | so you were able to do /dump CastSpellByName("...") and it would cast the spell |
| 07:43.21 | Arrowmaster | they fixed it |
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| 08:42.47 | tekkub | I just figured out why I like healing WG |
| 08:42.50 | tekkub | it's un-pvp |
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| 08:58.08 | Shirik | un-pvp? |
| 08:59.28 | Shirik | tekkub |
| 08:59.58 | tekkub | yes |
| 09:00.10 | tekkub | I'm going around undoing the pvp that's happening |
| 09:01.07 | Shirik | so you hate pvp |
| 09:01.27 | Shirik | therefore, by healing, you are undoing pvp |
| 09:04.44 | tekkub | yes |
| 09:04.51 | tekkub | it's unpvp |
| 09:08.36 | Arrowmaster | because nobody expects you to be healing in any pvp other than arenas |
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| 09:21.26 | Shirik | ok |
| 09:21.32 | Shirik | someone tell me why this regex: [UAD]+\\w+trunk/mmoimgr/.* |
| 09:21.48 | Shirik | nm |
| 09:21.50 | Shirik | I'm stupid |
| 09:22.08 | nevcairiel | agreed |
| 09:22.29 | Shirik | ok, why it does not match: 'U trunk/mmoimgr/nbproject/project.properties' |
| 09:22.37 | Shirik | note the \\ is actually just a \ |
| 09:24.14 | nevcairiel | because \w isnt whitespace? |
| 09:24.38 | nevcairiel | thats \s, last i checked =P |
| 09:27.42 | Shirik | .. |
| 09:27.45 | Shirik | :( |
| 09:27.48 | Fisker | ,, |
| 09:27.51 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 09:31.09 | Fisker | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19378789581&pageNo=2&sid=1#23 <-fail |
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| 09:47.51 | Wobin | omg http://crappytaxidermy.com/ |
| 09:48.59 | Sesshu | ugly! |
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| 10:11.37 | Wobin | oh... er.. hai patch? |
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| 10:14.32 | Wobin | ...wtf |
| 10:14.37 | Wobin | 3.2.0-a-?! |
| 10:15.03 | Wobin | why have we suddenly moved into alphabetic patches? |
| 10:15.04 | nevcairiel | its just some hotfixes |
| 10:15.12 | Vilkku | no |
| 10:15.16 | nevcairiel | mostly the /dump exploit |
| 10:15.20 | nevcairiel | and some ingame stuff |
| 10:15.22 | Wobin | yes yes, but why -a-? |
| 10:15.25 | Vilkku | THEY ARE HINTING THE EXPANSION |
| 10:15.30 | nevcairiel | they used a before |
| 10:15.39 | nevcairiel | its a minor patch, released out-of-schedule |
| 10:15.47 | nevcairiel | hotfix patch, or what they call it |
| 10:15.53 | Wobin | crazy |
| 10:15.57 | Vilkku | 3.2.0-a-l-i-e-n-s--f-r-o DAMNIT |
| 10:16.15 | nevcairiel | Well be releasing a minor bug fix patch to version 3.2.0a. This sort of patch is very small in size, and we use them to fix specific issues that cant be hot-fixed. |
| 10:16.22 | nevcairiel | that ^ |
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| 10:20.16 | Shirik|Ghost | So |
| 10:20.46 | Shirik | we put out a message inviting people to heroic WC |
| 10:21.04 | Shirik | why am I not surprised all of the responses asking to go were from DKs |
| 10:21.38 | nevcairiel | WC? |
| 10:21.43 | Vilkku | WAILING CAVERNS |
| 10:22.04 | nevcairiel | i figured it would be that, but it seemed so weird |
| 10:22.19 | Vilkku | I don't get Shirik's "explanation" either |
| 10:22.25 | Vilkku | they want it for achi? |
| 10:22.32 | Vilkku | that's the only thing I can think of :P |
| 10:22.59 | nevcairiel | I think that his point is, that heroic WC doesnt exist, and that only DKs dont know that because they enver leveld in that range |
| 10:23.25 | Vilkku | but, everyone who has a DK must have another char at level x |
| 10:23.31 | Vilkku | that still applies, right? |
| 10:23.49 | Shirik | nope |
| 10:24.03 | Wobin | grrr |
| 10:24.14 | Vilkku | waitwhat? |
| 10:24.17 | Shirik | however, I would like to make the argument that the majority of bad players are DKs |
| 10:24.22 | Shirik | I think I would be right |
| 10:24.34 | Vilkku | you can just buy the game and create a DK straight away? |
| 10:24.37 | Vilkku | are you 100% sure? :P |
| 10:26.02 | Wobin | I think you can now |
| 10:26.59 | Wobin | tbh |
| 10:27.02 | Wobin | if you -can- |
| 10:27.15 | Wobin | they should make it that you only get a level 55 DK if you already have a levelled toon |
| 10:27.19 | Wobin | otherwise you start at 1 |
| 10:27.24 | Shirik | I'm pretty sure you can |
| 10:27.28 | Jerub | yeah, afaik you still have that restriction |
| 10:27.32 | Jerub | unless it was removed in 3.2 |
| 10:27.49 | nevcairiel | DKs are not designed to start at 1, all their spells are not designed for that low level |
| 10:27.54 | Jerub | it was certainly still a restriction at 3.0 |
| 10:28.19 | Vilkku | I know they removed the restriction that the level 55+ char had to be on the same realm that you wanted to create the DK on, but I'm also pretty sure that you do need to have at least one level 55+ character on that account to be able to create a DK |
| 10:28.46 | Jerub | oh yeha, you can create a DK on any realm you like now |
| 10:28.56 | Jerub | instead of having to get a level 55 on that particular realm first |
| 10:29.15 | Jerub | http://cruor-sacramentum.guildomatic.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=28&sid=12d3042ce6597505eb4a28db89a30dce |
| 10:31.53 | mikma | haha |
| 10:32.04 | mikma | jebus those new asus mobo's are funny |
| 10:32.34 | mikma | you can install express gate in them and browse web + use gtalk/msn + skype without os |
| 10:32.52 | Arrowmaster | mine has that |
| 10:33.02 | Arrowmaster | but afaik it only works with windows |
| 10:33.06 | Arrowmaster | which i dont have installed |
| 10:33.31 | nevcairiel | i have seen mobos that had an on-chip linux with a webbrowser and flash utilitys |
| 10:33.32 | Wobin | nevcairiel: yes, I understand that |
| 10:33.44 | Wobin | that does not detract from the fact that stupid people are rolling DKs |
| 10:33.47 | mikma | true on that part, you need to install windows in order to install express gate |
| 10:33.50 | Wobin | and would be better served starting from level 1 |
| 10:34.07 | nevcairiel | maybe |
| 10:34.16 | nevcairiel | they had more time learning the class |
| 10:34.23 | Arrowmaster | express gate isnt any on-chip thing afaik, i think it just loads it from a windows partition |
| 10:34.29 | Wobin | Maybe they should make it like it was originally considered |
| 10:34.39 | Wobin | Have to sacrifice a toon to become one |
| 10:34.55 | Wobin | so level to 55, then say "zomg, now I'm a DK" |
| 10:34.58 | mikma | arrowmaster: oh, hehe. weel, useless stuff but funny =) |
| 10:35.04 | nevcairiel | I still wish they had like created 2-3 hero classes for every class |
| 10:35.08 | nevcairiel | so you can specialize your class |
| 10:35.14 | Wobin | hehe, like that's going to happen =P |
| 10:35.15 | nevcairiel | like druids become arch druids, and whatnot |
| 10:35.30 | Slafsinator | how would that be different from speccing deep in talent trees? :) |
| 10:35.31 | mikma | how to partition linux? |
| 10:35.32 | Wobin | Sorry, the ones capable of putting that together have moved onto another MMO =P |
| 10:35.47 | mikma | memorrysized swap and rest in one big drive? |
| 10:35.59 | nevcairiel | Slafsinator: you completly drop the availability of one talent tree in favor of more fun in the other, or something |
| 10:36.22 | Wobin | how would dual spec fit in? |
| 10:36.22 | nevcairiel | mikma: i usually use a small /boot partition, then swap space, and rest in / |
| 10:36.53 | Arrowmaster | small /boot then throw the rest in an lvm |
| 10:37.02 | mikma | nevcairiel: why the boot? |
| 10:37.13 | Wobin | and a boot to the head |
| 10:37.14 | Jerub | these days swap partitions aren't necessery anyway, you can just swap to a file. |
| 10:37.21 | Jerub | mikma: assists with having a funky filesystem for / |
| 10:37.37 | Jerub | having a small boot used to be required because lilo couldn't address a filesystem after the 1024th cylinder. |
| 10:37.59 | Arrowmaster | imho swap partition is still better than swap file |
| 10:38.01 | Jerub | but nowadays it's popular to have / on lvm+ext3 and /boot can be outside of that |
| 10:38.11 | mikma | hmm, swap in a file |
| 10:38.12 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: partitions are less flexible. |
| 10:38.24 | Arrowmaster | partitions are highly flexible in lvm |
| 10:38.41 | Jerub | mikma: also, swap only has to be 512mb or so. it's just for a tiny bit of breathing room, you don't make it the same size as RAM anymore. |
| 10:39.00 | Arrowmaster | tmpfs uses swap and so do other thinks like suspend |
| 10:39.01 | mikma | jerub: cool |
| 10:39.03 | nevcairiel | I still make swap size of the RAM, who cares about the few gigs on the hdd :P |
| 10:39.07 | Jerub | if you swap, things become i/o bound instead of cpu bound, so cpu bound tasks finish and stop taking up memory and die. |
| 10:39.15 | nevcairiel | hibernate uses swap space, if it can |
| 10:39.19 | Jerub | if that doens't happen, oomkiller kills something. |
| 10:39.26 | Jerub | having a smaller swap just helps you get to that state sooner. |
| 10:39.42 | Jerub | Arrowmaster: suspend works with swap files. |
| 10:42.06 | Jerub | okay, i'm running away again |
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| 11:08.03 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/browse/12611/awwww.jpg |
| 11:08.51 | Wobin | omg awww |
| 11:09.12 | Wobin | although, how damn low would you have to get into horse manure to take that shot? =P |
| 11:12.53 | haste | ~wowalert |
| 11:12.53 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 11:20.43 | Wobin | http://kuvaton.com/browse/12573/failure_cat.gif |
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