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| 00:03.48 | Arrowmaster | Coren{de}: think i can fix it |
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| 00:05.18 | Arrowmaster | ok i have uninstalled the winehq 1.1.26 .deb and reinstalled the wine-unstable from sid along with upgrading libc and ia32-libs to the sid versions and it works |
| 00:06.23 | Coren{de} | good, now freeze and never touch it again ;) |
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| 00:07.40 | Arrowmaster | now how do i get wine-gecko |
| 00:07.45 | mikma | fast wowi admins are fast |
| 00:07.58 | mikma | 10sec from uploading i refreshed my addons page. my addon was approved |
| 00:09.05 | Coren{de} | normally, wine-gecko was automatically pulled when wine saw you needed it... don't know if the new version that is in 1.1.27 is working that much already |
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| 00:09.50 | Arrowmaster | all i did was run winecfg from the console and it had a message saying it couldnt load wine-gecko and html rendering will be disabled |
| 00:10.07 | Coren{de} | 1.1.26 and previous are geckos from somewhere around 0.9x firefox :> |
| 00:10.36 | Coren{de} | hm. did you ever add the registry key to search gecko somewhere else? |
| 00:10.47 | Arrowmaster | i just installed wine |
| 00:11.05 | Coren{de} | you had it installed before and kept your .wine I assume |
| 00:11.20 | Arrowmaster | this computer didnt exist a week ago |
| 00:11.27 | Arrowmaster | actually it did but it was in parts |
| 00:12.05 | Coren{de} | regedit and check HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Wine\MSHTML |
| 00:12.35 | Arrowmaster | stupid fucking libnss-mdns warning telling me to install lib32nss-mdns even though i already have it installed, maybe i should upgrade that to unstable too |
| 00:13.04 | Arrowmaster | nah i just deleted ~/.wine and restarted winecfg and it said the same thing |
| 00:13.56 | Coren{de} | I removed the libnss-mdns, it's useless novice user crap anyways |
| 00:14.53 | Arrowmaster | dont i need it if i want anything to use NAT-PNP? |
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| 00:16.33 | Coren{de} | I rather prefer configuring my IP stuff myself than some software broadcasting the hell away with anything I might want to offer or see :) |
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| 00:39.36 | Mikk | ~api GetItemStats |
| 00:39.37 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetItemStats |
| 00:39.49 | Mikk | !api GetItemStats |
| 00:39.49 | lua_bot | GetItemStats: This function is not yet documented (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetItemStats) |
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| 00:46.43 | Coren{de} | the difference between loading into any other zone and loading into Dalaran is still puzzling me... :| |
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| 00:50.29 | Lopeppeppy | Dalaran is unique, it both sucks and blows, at the same time. |
| 00:50.43 | Guest55406 | there are some that would say that's a good thing |
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| 00:51.06 | Lopeppeppy | At least it cleans up after itself. |
| 00:52.01 | Sesshu|off | omg always these addicted guys spaming the trade channel before server inspection-.- |
| 00:52.12 | Kraps | Rihanna elevates any song shes in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ubfS18IPGw |
| 00:55.49 | foxlit | Kraps: not far enough :( |
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| 00:56.07 | Kraps | foxlit: fair enough |
| 00:56.08 | Coren{de} | is there a nice item compare Addon, that adds actually useful differences to the Blizzard ones? (i.e. ratings to %s) ratingbuster adds too much information... |
| 00:56.38 | Mikk | then tell ratingbuster to show less information |
| 00:56.42 | Mikk | it's fully configurable |
| 00:56.55 | Lopeppeppy | What he said -- adjust what it shows. |
| 00:57.21 | Mikk | "actually useful" tsk |
| 00:57.30 | Shirik | every addon is fully configurable |
| 00:57.40 | Shirik | Peggle did a great job of letting me choose what size I want my ball to be |
| 00:57.46 | Mikk | ~failrik |
| 00:57.47 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 00:57.54 | Shirik | :( |
| 00:58.43 | foxlit | I'm tempted to buy some Arcade Fire, but all the 30 second previews on itunes do not seem to do them justice. |
| 00:59.19 | Coren{de} | well, it feels just wrong to me to switch off 90% of an addon functionality, I'd have liked one that does just the 10% I'd want :) |
| 00:59.27 | Lopeppeppy | So write it. :) |
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| 01:04.23 | Shirik | ok |
| 01:04.27 | Shirik | time to figure out who's torrenting |
| 01:04.35 | Lopeppeppy | Farmer! |
| 01:05.22 | Coren{de} | time to get a router with QoS: UDP > TCP :D |
| 01:05.32 | Kraps | NCIS: Los Angeles |
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| 01:05.34 | Shirik | no |
| 01:05.35 | Kraps | wat |
| 01:05.37 | Shirik | me > roommate |
| 01:06.02 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMChO0qNbkY Google Opt Out Feature Lets Users Protect Privacy By Moving To Remote Village |
| 01:08.13 | foxlit | "And in just a minute, is your child missing out on teen sex parties?" |
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| 01:09.45 | Coren{de} | *checking feature=related*... |
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| 01:13.39 | Kraps | "Which advertiser would you like to see with this episode?" |
| 01:14.04 | Kraps | cbs is funny |
| 01:17.57 | Adys | http://translationparty.com/#1195656 |
| 01:18.03 | Coren{de} | onion should be mandatory before regular news... :> |
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| 01:20.33 | Kraps | i love ncis :D |
| 01:25.15 | Aqua | is there an api function to check if a player is grouped? |
| 01:25.27 | Adys | No |
| 01:25.35 | Adys | there is one to check if a player is in your group |
| 01:25.41 | Adys | and one to check if the player is the leader of a group |
| 01:26.11 | Adys | otherwise you have to invite and parse the chat |
| 01:27.00 | Aqua | GetNumPartyMembers() == 0 if not partied |
| 01:27.06 | Coren{de} | GetNumPartyMembers(), GetNumRaidMembers(), UnitExists("party"..i), UnitExists("raid"..i)... |
| 01:27.22 | Aqua | yea, i found that right as i asked |
| 01:27.35 | Arrowmaster | !api GetReal |
| 01:27.35 | lua_bot | Found 4 possible results for 'GetReal': GetRealmName, GetRealZoneText, GetRealNumPartyMembers, GetRealNumRaidMembers |
| 01:28.34 | foxlit | I struggle to understand what sort of design choices would require separate accessors for "Real" data. |
| 01:28.47 | Arrowmaster | the battleground grouping system |
| 01:29.17 | foxlit | How so? |
| 01:29.17 | Coren{de} | neat, wasn't aware of those |
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| 01:29.39 | Arrowmaster | because you can be in a battleground and not be in a party or raid |
| 01:29.50 | Coren{de} | but IMHO *Hidden* would fit better than *Real* for the matter |
| 01:30.13 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: I was thinking more along the lines of "and who cares?" |
| 01:30.17 | Coren{de} | the BG party is no less real than the "primary" group |
| 01:30.18 | foxlit | apparently, LFG cares. |
| 01:30.41 | Arrowmaster | well from the reports of 'you are not in a party' spam it seems like some api cares now |
| 01:31.25 | Arrowmaster | Coren{de}: except its not really hidden when you arent in a bg, and it seems silly to have to check if you are in a bg to pick which api to use |
| 01:32.09 | foxlit | Adding an argument to the existing functions would be better, really. |
| 01:32.23 | Arrowmaster | probably |
| 01:32.37 | Coren{de} | well, it's not less silly to have to pick the other way round, if you really insist on silliness levels ;p |
| 01:33.07 | foxlit | They could, of course, just have given us battleground units. |
| 01:34.14 | Coren{de} | that would be reasonable, so not an option :> |
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| 01:37.04 | Coren{de} | I'm still surprised that they actually added arena units |
| 01:37.43 | foxlit | Things work in weird ways. |
| 01:38.26 | foxlit | I suspect arena units were added because of the advantage addons provided by giving you enemy unit frames. |
| 01:41.50 | Shirik | does anyone know what icslap is? |
| 01:42.21 | kd3 | Shirik, pong |
| 01:42.26 | Shirik | I pinged you? |
| 01:42.36 | kd3 | ya |
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| 01:43.14 | Lopeppeppy | kd3: ping! |
| 01:43.19 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: ping |
| 01:43.22 | Lopeppeppy | joins the fun! |
| 01:43.27 | Lopeppeppy | Hi hi hi Shirik! |
| 01:44.40 | Shirik | in bash, can I detect if a parameter was supplied to a script? |
| 01:44.47 | Shirik | like "$1 or 0.0.0.0" |
| 01:45.54 | Arrowmaster | sorta |
| 01:46.29 | kd3 | at 1:56... so almost 8 hours ago |
| 01:46.38 | kd3 | gah, have I been out and about all day? ack |
| 01:46.42 | Lopeppeppy | kd3, you're late. *smile* |
| 01:46.46 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Any more info than that? :) |
| 01:47.21 | Coren{de} | $1 looks fine, $# is number of args |
| 01:47.33 | Shirik | wtf, wireshark can interpret WoW packets? |
| 01:47.34 | Arrowmaster | give me a sec im trying to find it |
| 01:47.39 | Arrowmaster | it can? |
| 01:47.44 | Shirik | Partially it seems |
| 01:47.51 | Shirik | a lot of it is coming back with "Unrecognized packet" |
| 01:49.11 | Coren{de} | there's some syntax to say "value or default", but I tend to use if [ "$1" == "" ]; then value=default; else value=$1; fi |
| 01:53.11 | Arrowmaster | ${parameter:-word} Use Default Values. If parameter is unset or null, the expansion of word is substituted. Otherwise, the value of parameter is substituted. |
| 01:53.11 | Arrowmaster | ${parameter:=word} Assign Default Values. If parameter is unset or null, the expansion of word is assigned to parameter. The value of parameter is then substituted. Positional parameters and special parameters may not be assigned to in this way. |
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| 01:54.10 | Arrowmaster | dont ask me how to properly use it |
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| 01:56.50 | Coren{de} | parameter can be the argument number; so ARG1=${1:-DEFAULT} should set ARG1 to the first argument or to DEFAULT if it's missing |
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| 01:58.12 | Arrowmaster | Shirik needs to read man bash more often, i just search it when he asks a question |
| 01:58.19 | Shirik | :( |
| 01:59.28 | Coren{de} | I don't get the = syntax. Should this mean, Blip=${Foo:Bar} sets Foo as well as Blip? hm. |
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| 02:00.46 | foxlit | Hm, 4am. |
| 02:00.50 | foxlit | This is becoming annoying. |
| 02:00.59 | Lopeppeppy | Then go to bed, silly bear. |
| 02:01.26 | foxlit | <calvin>But I'm wide awake!</calvin> |
| 02:01.28 | Kraps | http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/the-making-of-world-of-warcraft-article |
| 02:01.36 | foxlit | seriously, mornings are a myth. |
| 02:01.39 | foxlit | A legend. |
| 02:01.44 | Coren{de} | indeed... = looks just like a shortcut for double assignment :) |
| 02:01.52 | foxlit | Nothing between 1300 really exists :/ |
| 02:02.17 | foxlit | s/between/before/ |
| 02:02.18 | Lopeppeppy | foxlit, lay off the caffeine after 9pm, take a warm shower in the dark and go to bed. :) |
| 02:04.42 | foxlit | I don't think there's much caffeine involved |
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| 02:07.20 | foxlit | Perhaps when it becomes colder. |
| 02:07.46 | Lopeppeppy | Warm showers do help you cool off, oddly enough. Warms your skin up, so that the room feels cooler. Even more effective if you stand in front of a fan right after. |
| 02:07.50 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN, anyway! |
| 02:07.54 | kd3 | so Bibi... 31 bosses in icecrown, eh? |
| 02:08.12 | foxlit | kd3: I wonder if we'll see him naked in the streets of paris yet. |
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| 02:08.38 | Shirik | Best conversation ever |
| 02:08.55 | Shirik | I MIM'ed one of my roommates, captured logs of him on bittorrent, then closed out and went upstairs |
| 02:09.19 | ScytheBlade1 | I bet it was porn |
| 02:09.22 | Shirik | Said to him "Hey Mike, how you doing" "Do you mind not downloading right now?" "... I'm not online." "Huh. ok." |
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| 02:09.40 | Shirik | I go to my other roommate "Hey Dunxu, do you have a computer named mikes-macbook-pro?" |
| 02:10.01 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Shirik: introduce to thim the concept of bt clients with bandwidth limiters. ones that let you set a timer on those limiters are nice. |
| 02:10.23 | Shirik | "Because it says in this log here that some computer named mikes-macbook-pro is sending some bittorrent packets. And Mike says it's not him." |
| 02:10.28 | Shirik | and then he's like "wtf?" |
| 02:10.44 | Shirik | then I'm like "Yeah take a look at this log here! 'BitTorrentHandshake Bitfield, Len:0x56 Continuation data '" |
| 02:10.56 | Shirik | then he's all ... |
| 02:11.00 | Shirik | and I'm all like "pwn3d!" |
| 02:11.19 | foxlit | and then he's all "Eavesdropping on digital communication is illegal. Put him away, boys" |
| 02:11.27 | Coren{de} | lesson for your roommates: get a switch... :> |
| 02:11.36 | Shirik | foxlit: I am merely maintaining my internet connection |
| 02:11.55 | Shirik | Coren{de}: Ain't gonna help you in a MIM attack |
| 02:12.04 | foxlit | Shirik: you'll find that ranks much lower on the priority scale :) |
| 02:12.36 | Shirik | I would like to see the judge that sentences me due to trying to stop copyright infringement |
| 02:12.37 | Coren{de} | Shirik, then hardcode the arp table entry for the router :) |
| 02:12.46 | Shirik | Coren{de}: I did, on my computer :P |
| 02:13.01 | Shirik | My roommates.... I'll let them be |
| 02:21.45 | foxlit | "Pet redemption will require a World of Warcraft account to be merged with Battle.net account" |
| 02:21.59 | kd3 | and so it begins |
| 02:26.21 | Kraps | ONO BILZZ IS LOGGIG KEYAS |
| 02:28.27 | Coren{de} | why should my Westfall chicken need redemption? /puzzle |
| 02:30.37 | Kraps | heh |
| 02:31.01 | Kraps | then theres the "FIGHT THE MAN" aspect |
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| 02:31.22 | Kraps | the man already has your stuff /puzzle |
| 02:32.13 | foxlit | but can the man manage his auth servers? |
| 02:34.10 | Kraps | whats the difference between now and later? |
| 02:35.47 | foxlit | Perhaps the man will get his act together. |
| 02:37.18 | Kraps | and so, if the man has all our stuff in one place, maybe he will |
| 02:37.35 | Wobin | http://blindsearch.fejus.com/ |
| 02:40.07 | foxlit | now if only I had something to search for, Wobin :) |
| 02:40.12 | Wobin | hehe |
| 02:40.15 | Wobin | yeah that was my problem |
| 02:40.19 | Wobin | So I searched for MrPlow |
| 02:40.28 | Wobin | and chose the engine that had my addon as the first item |
| 02:40.31 | Wobin | and it was Google! |
| 02:40.40 | foxlit | hah. |
| 02:41.29 | foxlit | That seems to be a reliable method to find google |
| 02:41.40 | foxlit | search for your own stuff, see which set of results you like best |
| 02:41.53 | Wobin | Google know how to market their searches =) |
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| 02:46.35 | bleeter | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7MuwPlOiNQ |
| 02:46.38 | bleeter | NSFW |
| 02:47.22 | foxlit | cheers at Iriel and vanishes. |
| 02:47.34 | Iriel | foxlit: hibye then |
| 02:48.15 | A-KO | nice |
| 02:48.18 | A-KO | just got my gundrak hatchling |
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| 02:48.21 | A-KO | farmed it for about 30 mins |
| 02:49.01 | Wobin | there's a gundrak hatchling? |
| 02:49.06 | bluspacecow | anyone know if they kept the frame for the old quest log in game |
| 02:49.53 | Shirik | we just one shot the new boss :( |
| 02:50.02 | bluspacecow | new boss ? |
| 02:50.05 | bluspacecow | Hai Shirik |
| 02:50.10 | bluspacecow | Hai Wobin |
| 02:52.34 | Shirik | yes new boss |
| 02:52.44 | bluspacecow | hmmmm |
| 02:56.00 | Zyndrome | heard TotC is hard |
| 02:56.27 | Zyndrome | we'll see once everything is unlocked and heroic mode becomes available |
| 02:56.28 | bluspacecow | it is challenging |
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| 02:57.12 | Zyndrome | better hope there's no bullshit that breaks our record @ wipes on Firefighter 25-man :P |
| 02:57.21 | Zyndrome | (around 160 wipes) |
| 02:58.57 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.28 | bluspacecow | Firefighter |
| 02:59.32 | bluspacecow | ? |
| 03:00.48 | Arrowmaster | how the hell does the blizzard wow installer say it only needs 6.6GB for wrath when my wow data dir is 15GB? |
| 03:01.00 | bluspacecow | its special |
| 03:01.07 | bluspacecow | ie mentally retarded |
| 03:01.18 | Zyndrome | Firefighter, as in killing Mimiron hard mode |
| 03:01.27 | Torhal | Arrowmaster: Are you counting the downloader and patch executables? |
| 03:01.41 | Arrowmaster | no im counting only the data dir |
| 03:01.44 | Torhal | Ah |
| 03:01.57 | Torhal | They're using a quantum-level filesystem, apparently. |
| 03:02.01 | Zyndrome | we're aiming for Freya+3 this week, and suddenly, Ironbound Proto-Drakes everywhere! |
| 03:05.52 | Seerah | bluspacecow: you might want to stay away from me today ;) I finally mustered up the strength (and the stomache) to get up and moving again |
| 03:06.00 | bluspacecow | oh noes |
| 03:06.04 | bluspacecow | no licky then ? |
| 03:06.27 | Seerah | probably not ;) |
| 03:06.35 | bluspacecow | "Torhal: They're using a quantum-level filesystem, apparently." <----------- ROFLS ! |
| 03:06.40 | Seerah | hubby just went to get me some crackers |
| 03:06.44 | Torhal | :D |
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| 03:15.33 | Adys | So |
| 03:15.46 | Adys | I'm not sure what exactly is up with this |
| 03:16.21 | Adys | but I happen to be implementing a python-sql interface |
| 03:16.31 | Adys | that wasnt exactly the plan a hour ago .. |
| 03:16.35 | kd3 | aren't there like thirty six of those? |
| 03:16.44 | Adys | no, not an interface to sql |
| 03:16.56 | Adys | a sql backend in python |
| 03:17.03 | kd3 | o_O |
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| 03:17.33 | Adys | it's funny I was rambling a week ago barely about the lack of direct unlayered sql interfaces |
| 03:18.24 | Shirik | hi Adys |
| 03:19.16 | Adys | eg table = Tables.foobar; table.add_column(baz, "BOOLEAN") |
| 03:19.23 | Adys | hi Shiibot |
| 03:19.31 | Adys | hi Shiibot |
| 03:19.34 | Adys | hi Shirik |
| 03:19.34 | Adys | FFS. |
| 03:20.10 | Shirik | wow Adys |
| 03:20.25 | Adys | sup bebe |
| 03:21.09 | Adys | theres a guild called equilibrium on my serv |
| 03:21.11 | Adys | and i just noticed |
| 03:21.45 | Adys | http://translationparty.com/#1205251 |
| 03:22.16 | Adys | Shirik: so this is pretty amazing |
| 03:22.32 | Adys | f = wdbc.new("solditemcache.wdb", name="solditemcache", build=BUILD, structure=SoldItemCache(BUILD)) |
| 03:22.32 | Adys | qs = f.filter({"merchant": merchant_id, "item": item_id}, limit=1) |
| 03:22.49 | Shirik | It would be awesome |
| 03:22.54 | Shirik | But you totally hate me |
| 03:23.02 | Adys | it wouldn't only be awesome |
| 03:23.04 | Adys | it IS awesome |
| 03:23.05 | Adys | I'm using it |
| 03:24.09 | Adys | you know what |
| 03:24.15 | Adys | I'm gonna port django to work with this |
| 03:25.48 | Arrowmaster | you would probably be better off just rewriting django from the ground up |
| 03:25.56 | Adys | nah |
| 03:26.50 | Arrowmaster | and fuck i keep forgetting i dont have enough wired network connections here, went to turn on the 360 and realized its not connected to the network because i have my new computer connected instead |
| 03:27.31 | Shirik | Adys, but you hate me :( |
| 03:27.37 | Shirik | so I refuse to accept its awesomeness |
| 03:27.51 | Kalroth | aww |
| 03:28.08 | Adys | its crazy awesome |
| 03:28.10 | Shirik | no |
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| 03:35.11 | Kraps | omg choose an ad |
| 03:35.30 | Kraps | I DONT GIVE A FUCK JUST PLAY ONE |
| 03:36.06 | Zyndrome | rotten cheese |
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| 03:51.11 | Kraps | vezax got changes |
| 03:52.28 | Zyndrome | old news, but guess they wanted to clarify |
| 03:52.49 | Dagmar | Someone was carping last night about bad auto-generated HTML... |
| 03:53.17 | Dagmar | I think I've found a patient zero: http://www.fujinonbinos.com/ |
| 03:54.00 | Zyndrome | checks source code |
| 03:54.06 | Zyndrome | ... mother of god |
| 03:55.45 | Sesshu | im bored!! |
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| 03:59.32 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: none of the images work |
| 03:59.46 | Kraps | Sesshu: watch ncis |
| 04:00.40 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: OMFG @ FONT TAGS |
| 04:01.19 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: are you looking at this? |
| 04:01.30 | Shirik | ? |
| 04:01.48 | Sesshu | Kraps: ncis? |
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| 04:02.02 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: the site dagmar linked |
| 04:02.12 | Zyndrome | Arrowmaster , all scripts on the page, the images are within a javascript D: |
| 04:02.16 | Zyndrome | +enable |
| 04:02.35 | Kraps | Sesshu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCIS_%28TV_series%29 |
| 04:02.53 | Dagmar | Something went end-of-the-world wrong over there at Fuji |
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| 04:03.36 | Sesshu | navy cis? hm no .. atm im watching dr. house <3 |
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| 04:05.47 | Kraps | thats good too |
| 04:06.19 | Sesshu | yea |
| 04:07.28 | tem | hmm |
| 04:07.32 | tem | I can't log into my pally |
| 04:07.41 | tem | the bar fills |
| 04:08.14 | tem | and then it sits there |
| 04:08.52 | selckin | try logging an alt first |
| 04:08.59 | tem | and then I get DCed |
| 04:09.11 | selckin | or wait till someone on vent tells you the pally finally disconnected |
| 04:12.57 | Zyndrome | that bug is an awesome pull delayer ;< |
| 04:14.53 | selckin | getting removed from the raid wierdly helps to speed it up too sometimes |
| 04:15.14 | selckin | but keep trying to log an alt first, since that can force the disconenct, but doesn't always work |
| 04:15.21 | Wobin | You start of quite daintily, cleaning the cake mix bowl with a single finger |
| 04:15.39 | Wobin | but soon enough, you're shovelling three fingers worth at a time into your mouth in the name of 'saving on washing up' |
| 04:15.43 | Wobin | >< |
| 04:15.49 | Wobin | . o O ("om nomnomnom") |
| 04:16.06 | Sesshu | blahblah? |
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| 04:40.10 | Shirik | omfg |
| 04:40.11 | Shirik | it's raining |
| 04:40.21 | Shirik | first time in like 3 months |
| 04:44.32 | Ackis | is it raining men? |
| 04:44.44 | Ackis | ps: for lulz read the past 10 mins in wowace |
| 04:47.42 | Shirik | it's raining men |
| 04:47.45 | Shirik | hallelujah |
| 04:47.46 | Shirik | it's raining men |
| 04:47.48 | Shirik | amen |
| 04:47.55 | ScytheBlade1 | .... |
| 04:48.09 | Nechckn | Shirik are you wearing your Speedo again? |
| 04:48.14 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGLZqDXau98 |
| 04:48.20 | Nechckn | I warned you what would happen last time. |
| 04:51.59 | tem | test? |
| 04:52.17 | Cairenn | DENIED! |
| 04:52.56 | Nechckn | Cairenn == Harshatrix! |
| 04:53.14 | Cairenn | only if you beg prettily |
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| 04:54.32 | Ackis | lol |
| 04:54.36 | Cairenn | :) |
| 04:56.31 | Ackis | Cairenn: like the latest ARL version name? :P |
| 04:56.58 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 04:57.02 | Cairenn | hadn't actually looked |
| 04:57.08 | Cairenn | at the version name |
| 04:57.12 | Cairenn | that's amusing |
| 04:57.45 | Cairenn | especially in light of a certain thread that has been ongoing on WoWI the last few days |
| 04:57.57 | Ackis | main change is: *Removed comment in code that was causing AntiVir to screw up. It's a fail anti-virus scanner. --Wormhole Generator: Northrend -- 67920 causes a file to be detected as malware. Pro. |
| 04:58.27 | Ackis | eh is the thread my bad? |
| 04:58.42 | Cairenn | no |
| 04:58.44 | Cairenn | hang on |
| 04:58.45 | krka | wait, the scanner checks for the plaintext "worm"? that's awesome |
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| 04:59.02 | Cairenn | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26082 |
| 04:59.17 | Ackis | krka: only if it's in a .lua file, it passes the scan if it's in a .txt file |
| 04:59.40 | tekkub | did you hear about the [Gnomish Trojan Horse] they're adding in 3.3? |
| 05:00.16 | Ackis | lol |
| 05:00.24 | Ackis | at both tekkub and Cairenn |
| 05:00.27 | tem | SGH |
| 05:00.31 | Ackis | oh tekkub I wanted to send a user to you today |
| 05:00.43 | tekkub | I have had one hell of a day |
| 05:00.49 | Ackis | they basically said "I have curse premium. I've paid to have my addons supported" |
| 05:01.35 | tekkub | in short.. GFS crashes site (not uncommon these days)... GFS crash causes background job queue to fall behind ~3hr... DB starts locking up and timing out on basic things like deleting repos |
| 05:01.44 | tekkub | lol, that's sad |
| 05:01.56 | Ackis | they weren't that polite about it |
| 05:01.58 | Nechckn | As soon as they begin paying you your weekly salary, then they can request such support. |
| 05:02.00 | zenzio | so I arrived at work a little early today and had to use my pin code to enter, but all that came to mind was numbers like 1394, 8139, 9660, 1459, 2616 |
| 05:02.05 | tekkub | you've paid to have you addon INSTALLER supported |
| 05:02.14 | Ackis | hey Cairenn I'm premium wowi, I demand you troubleshoot why I can't install wow addons! |
| 05:02.17 | Ackis | :P |
| 05:02.24 | Cairenn | Ackis: bite me |
| 05:02.26 | Ackis | demand it I say!! |
| 05:02.26 | Cairenn | :p |
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| 05:02.29 | Ackis | bites Cairenn |
| 05:02.31 | Ackis | OM NOM NOM |
| 05:02.34 | Cairenn | moans |
| 05:02.38 | Ackis | lol |
| 05:02.42 | Ackis | don't let Chantelle see that |
| 05:02.44 | kd3 | ! |
| 05:02.46 | Ackis | I'll be a dead man |
| 05:02.46 | Cairenn | hehehe |
| 05:02.48 | tekkub | Cairenn: WoWI premiums get to choose where you bite |
| 05:03.41 | Ackis | lol |
| 05:03.44 | Shirik | why are we lolling at Cairenn? |
| 05:03.46 | Shirik | Ackis? |
| 05:03.58 | Ackis | I was lolling at tekkub |
| 05:04.09 | Ackis | and before that at Cairenn moaning |
| 05:04.11 | Ackis | cuz I bit her |
| 05:04.13 | Cairenn | nod |
| 05:04.44 | Ackis | tasted like chicken tbh |
| 05:04.50 | Ackis | needed more spices |
| 05:05.01 | Nechckn | Chicken, you say? |
| 05:05.08 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: whats GFS? |
| 05:05.23 | zenzio | Google File System |
| 05:05.32 | tekkub | I wish |
| 05:05.47 | Nechckn | Cairenn, that means we are capable of mating, so you won't need that blood test, after all. |
| 05:05.49 | tekkub | Google File System wouldn't shit itself on a near daily basis |
| 05:06.01 | zenzio | http://labs.google.com/papers/gfs.html |
| 05:06.07 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Actually, it is designed to do just that, tekkub, as per the crazy amount of redundancy |
| 05:06.28 | ScytheBlade1 | tekkub: that said, http://www.redhat.com/gfs/ |
| 05:06.42 | Zyndrome | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCGkwjz6WyM , nom nom nom |
| 05:06.44 | Ackis | lol |
| 05:07.08 | tekkub | yea it's the redhat shit one |
| 05:07.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Only if you're bad at it |
| 05:07.30 | tekkub | the one that says in it's documentation that it doesn't handle mass amounts of tiny file operations well |
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| 05:07.35 | tekkub | and guess what we do? |
| 05:07.38 | Shirik | You know |
| 05:07.40 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:07.46 | tekkub | yet our host won't get us onto better hardware |
| 05:07.46 | Shirik | it's a proven fact that you can put the word "google" before anything |
| 05:07.49 | Shirik | and it's instantly 10x better |
| 05:08.15 | zenzio | wants Google Sex |
| 05:08.37 | tekkub | zenzio: just use google voice? |
| 05:08.52 | zenzio | I don't want the sex narrated |
| 05:08.56 | ScytheBlade1 | I was at a movie with friends the other day, one of which has google voice |
| 05:09.08 | ScytheBlade1 | He got a voicemail during the movie, which was then transcribed and sent to him in a text |
| 05:09.15 | tekkub | zenzio: google analytics? I call it google anal just for kicks |
| 05:09.28 | zenzio | tekkub: now there's an idea |
| 05:09.39 | Nechckn | Someone has to ask... |
| 05:09.53 | Nechckn | So, tekkub is Google Anal better than just.. oh, nvm. |
| 05:10.09 | kd3 | wonders why minion's trying to update adverts even though he's logged in using a premium account |
| 05:10.16 | Shirik | it is? |
| 05:10.37 | kd3 | the status bar said it was |
| 05:10.38 | Shirik | kd3: Where do you see this |
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| 05:10.55 | kd3 | immediately after the load before the news is downloaded |
| 05:11.01 | Shirik | I think that's triggered by it sending a query out to all installed modules saying "what ads you got" |
| 05:11.09 | Shirik | and then the modules say "nothing" |
| 05:11.12 | Shirik | and then no ads |
| 05:16.36 | Kraps | "These fans style themselves Browncoats, after the Independent faction in the Unification War. However, they overlooked the fact that, in their struggle to save Firefly, they named themselves after the losing side of a war. " |
| 05:16.41 | Kraps | bahaha |
| 05:17.41 | Nechckn | They only lost that portion, imnsho, in the end, after the movie, they "won". |
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| 05:24.10 | Sesshu | it wants to pwn you |
| 05:27.21 | Kraps | night |
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| 05:52.42 | Arrowmaster | ahh the installer i downloaded from the site only installed 3.0.1 |
| 05:52.53 | Arrowmaster | if i had known that i would have just used my damn dvd |
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| 06:56.36 | haste | ~wowalert |
| 06:56.37 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
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| 06:58.09 | Fisker | slaps haste around a bit with a large trout |
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| 07:50.14 | Fisker | this is your fault haste |
| 07:50.30 | haste | throws a testicle at Fisker. |
| 07:50.49 | Fisker | eats it |
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| 07:56.15 | sacarasc | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large goldfish. |
| 07:58.15 | TC-Away | prepares Fisker to be shown on rotten.com |
| 07:58.49 | Fisker | i wanted to do something |
| 07:58.52 | Fisker | but haste made me forgot |
| 07:58.55 | Fisker | forget* |
| 07:58.59 | Fisker | so now i'm angry |
| 07:59.32 | haste | I exist only to get in your way Fisker ! |
| 08:00.07 | Fisker | yay |
| 08:00.11 | Fisker | first EU servers coming up |
| 08:00.14 | Fisker | giev Ravencrest |
| 08:01.07 | Fisker | need my Libram of AWESOME |
| 08:01.16 | haste | lol Fisker |
| 08:01.20 | haste | hammering are we? |
| 08:01.21 | Thunder_Child | oh, that got nerfed |
| 08:01.36 | Thunder_Child | it's now Libram of Sucking |
| 08:01.48 | Fisker | wat? |
| 08:02.03 | haste | Thunder_Child: WRONG |
| 08:02.05 | Fisker | do i have to start up my rageface? |
| 08:02.06 | haste | it's libram of fisker |
| 08:02.09 | haste | yy |
| 08:02.13 | Thunder_Child | haste, same thing |
| 08:02.36 | Thunder_Child | Fisker, your rage face wouldnt make a child cry |
| 08:03.05 | Fisker | still not nerfed Thunder_Child |
| 08:03.09 | Fisker | >:3faces |
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| 08:03.32 | Fisker | besides i require additional attack powers |
| 08:03.50 | Thunder_Child | nerfs Fisker's >:3 |
| 08:03.57 | Fisker | naw |
| 08:04.03 | Fisker | just sucks i have to tank today :( |
| 08:04.51 | Fisker | what's the new boss getting unlocked today btw? |
| 08:05.05 | haste | my penisu! |
| 08:05.08 | Thunder_Child | your mom |
| 08:05.27 | Fisker | no |
| 08:05.40 | Thunder_Child | yup |
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| 08:06.24 | Fisker | haha |
| 08:06.32 | Fisker | the new boss is complete faceroll as well |
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| 08:07.42 | Fisker | i just had the best idea btw |
| 08:07.46 | Fisker | the new trinkets |
| 08:07.49 | Fisker | They're unique |
| 08:07.51 | Fisker | But each faction has once |
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| 08:08.03 | Fisker | faction changes to alliance, gets trinket, then back again >:3 |
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| 08:11.24 | sacarasc | Fisker: I hate you. |
| 08:11.39 | sacarasc | You said realms were coming up, mine was up so I logged on and then it went down. |
| 08:11.47 | sacarasc | You did this just to torment me. |
| 08:11.52 | Fisker | darkspear? |
| 08:12.18 | sacarasc | Darkmoon Faire. |
| 08:12.27 | Fisker | faggot |
| 08:12.32 | Fisker | that's a rp realm |
| 08:12.45 | sacarasc | I R RPER! |
| 08:12.56 | sacarasc | I'll RP the shit out of you. |
| 08:13.11 | Sesshu | servers are online? |
| 08:13.15 | Sesshu | oh |
| 08:13.30 | sacarasc | I wanted to get some raptor rares. :( |
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| 08:15.05 | haste | Fisker: lol, would you really do that? |
| 08:15.15 | haste | Fisker: also, doesn't it say the faction in the tooltip? |
| 08:15.27 | haste | Fisker: and wouldn't blizzard convert the items when you switch faction? |
| 08:15.38 | Fisker | dunno |
| 08:15.42 | Fisker | but it's plausible atleast |
| 08:15.56 | Fisker | and no there's no "faction" in the tooltip |
| 08:15.59 | Sesshu | blizz isn't stupid |
| 08:16.07 | Fisker | Sesshu lawl |
| 08:16.34 | haste | If this sentence is true, then Fisker isn't smart either! |
| 08:16.48 | Fisker | Just like they weren't stupid when they let thousands of people get the Scepter quest done by transferring servers |
| 08:16.55 | Sesshu | they will chance (at a fraction transfer) all of this items and stuff |
| 08:16.58 | Fisker | When it never was intended to be possible |
| 08:17.18 | Fisker | Of course there are countless examples of problems like that |
| 08:17.29 | Fisker | Why would they change the items? |
| 08:17.34 | Fisker | Items usually aren't faction specific |
| 08:17.44 | Fisker | and they're not gonna start being faction specific |
| 08:17.45 | haste | they have a faction specific look |
| 08:17.46 | olafski | because people try to abuse the faction transfer, most likely :P |
| 08:17.51 | haste | well, most of them |
| 08:17.58 | Sesshu | your pvp trinket is fraction specific |
| 08:18.07 | sacarasc | 1/3 |
| 08:18.15 | Sesshu | huh horde with ally trinket |
| 08:18.27 | haste | 2/3 |
| 08:18.33 | Fisker | 3/3 |
| 08:18.38 | haste | 4/3 |
| 08:18.43 | Fisker | that's impossible |
| 08:18.47 | Fisker | ! |
| 08:18.49 | haste | no way! |
| 08:18.49 | sacarasc | No it's not. |
| 08:18.51 | olafski | there will be exceptions but I'm sure blizzard will try to think of all the items that need changing with a transfer |
| 08:19.16 | olafski | 4/3 = 1.333 repeating of course ;-) |
| 08:19.24 | Fisker | durr |
| 08:19.25 | Sesshu | for example |
| 08:19.52 | Sesshu | you will not be friendly at stormwind when youre horde |
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| 08:20.06 | Sesshu | the transfer will chance it to orgimmar |
| 08:20.09 | olafski | yeah they'll change rep.. surely they will look at items too, starting with the highest level one |
| 08:20.12 | olafski | s* |
| 08:20.30 | haste | Fisker: |
| 08:20.32 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.35 | Fisker | haste: |
| 08:20.37 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.40 | olafski | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.41 | Sesshu | wtf |
| 08:20.42 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.43 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.44 | Sesshu | Â |
| 08:20.44 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.47 | Fisker | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:20.53 | zenzio | is lost for words |
| 08:20.55 | haste | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:21.10 | Fisker | i like where this chat is going |
| 08:21.22 | Thunder_Child | to hell |
| 08:21.24 | haste | yes, away from the previous topic! |
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| 08:21.55 | Sesshu | but |
| 08:22.08 | Sesshu | how they do that problem with the quests |
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| 08:22.34 | Sesshu | different quests... |
| 08:22.42 | haste | no idea |
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| 08:29.07 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/sexual_positions_for_lonely.jpg |
| 08:30.19 | Thunder_Child | uhhh...only the golden girls marathon looks any good |
| 08:31.51 | Sesshu | lol |
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| 09:53.22 | Adys | http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=18821 |
| 09:53.25 | Adys | people are so thick |
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| 12:08.21 | Wobin | omg squee http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-US&vid=955ef9eb-5d55-4774-9f3b-b4cd2f1861ee |
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| 12:24.09 | Cruciformer | hey all. A while back someone was talking about a cool MP3 tag editor, and I cant remember what it was called. Anyone know of a good, free tag editor that I can use to add artwork and fix up tags (preferably able to set common items like album name, artist, genre, year etc once for all tracks) |
| 12:24.51 | zenzio | automatically or manually? |
| 12:24.57 | Cruciformer | manually |
| 12:25.02 | zenzio | Songbird lets you take care of multiple files at the same time |
| 12:25.17 | Cruciformer | oh and for Windoze |
| 12:25.26 | zenzio | Songbird runs on Windows |
| 12:26.21 | Cruciformer | ah thats a player, I was hoping to find just an editor. winamp is my player of choice but it does the wrong with with album art |
| 12:27.28 | zenzio | yeah, it's a player, but it does what you asked ;) But there are plenty of other programs that only do tag editing, I just don't know of any |
| 12:27.47 | Cruciformer | still I will check out songbird, thanks zenzio |
| 12:28.17 | Arrowmaster | mp3tag |
| 12:30.43 | Cruciformer | Arrowmaster: that web page rings a huge loud bell, and I had downloaded it previous. I must have uninstalled it for a reason but I dont know what it was :/ |
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| 12:35.28 | Cruciformer | Arrowmaster: You use this mp3tag? |
| 12:35.36 | Arrowmaster | ive used it |
| 12:35.58 | Arrowmaster | not much since i dont have many mp3s anymore or even listen to much music |
| 12:36.24 | Cruciformer | I am confused. In the options for Tags -> mpeg, there are options there to remove ID3v1, ID3v2 etc. The help file says if they are checked it will remove those tags. It also has options right above it for writing them. I am way confuised. |
| 12:36.33 | Vilkku | possible to find out afk message without registering chat_message_system and watch that? |
| 12:38.15 | zenzio | snuggles Lopeppeppy |
| 12:38.46 | Fisker | slaps zenzio around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:38.51 | Fisker | you! |
| 12:38.59 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, zenzio. |
| 12:39.10 | zenzio | still lacking sleep? |
| 12:42.57 | Fisker | i r :( |
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| 12:44.43 | Arrowmaster | omg why the fuck do i still have this album and why am i listening to it |
| 12:45.22 | Arrowmaster | i swear the first of this set was great but this 5th one almost makes me want to go on a murdurs rampage |
| 12:46.31 | Lopeppeppy | So take it, right now, and chuck it? |
| 12:46.47 | Arrowmaster | im trying to find if theres anything good on it |
| 12:47.56 | Arrowmaster | i swear its right on the edge of either being able to listen to it or inducing mental insanity depending on my mood when i listen to it |
| 12:48.16 | Lopeppeppy | If it's frustrating you today, put it away until next week, try again for a different mood. |
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| 12:50.53 | mikma | bleh, something is making my wow not responding when i login |
| 12:51.37 | Lopeppeppy | Mikma, my game has been fragged for a few patches, I can't use the launcher. I have to click on the .exe instead. Try that? |
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| 12:53.29 | foxlit | Hrm, WoW actually freezes. |
| 12:54.39 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, does that to me all the time. RAWR |
| 12:55.27 | foxlit | I suspect... it's one of the caches. |
| 12:56.19 | foxlit | restarts WoW for the 5th time in the last 3 minutes |
| 12:57.52 | Elkano | foxlit, does it hang just after entering world? |
| 12:58.10 | foxlit | Elkano: yes, give or take a few seconds |
| 12:58.19 | Elkano | did that for me on my char in Dalaran, the others worked fine |
| 12:58.32 | Elkano | I guess it's an overload in requesting item data from the server |
| 12:58.39 | foxlit | Also in dalaran. |
| 12:58.53 | foxlit | Perhaps it's time I ran checkdisk. |
| 12:59.13 | mikma | lopeppeppy: i didn't have launcher on, at all |
| 12:59.29 | Elkano | try getting out of dalaran or request the common items from another toon via AtlasLoot or such |
| 12:59.38 | mikma | it just freezes at login, even without WTF + Interface.. heh. well, i restarted my pc and now it works, for some time |
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| 13:00.47 | foxlit | "Version: 1.0 3.2 AntiVir Sucks" |
| 13:00.52 | foxlit | high-fives Ackis. |
| 13:01.32 | Lopeppeppy | My computer keeps freezing on me today, I think you gave me a virus mikma. |
| 13:01.50 | mikma | oh cool |
| 13:02.32 | Lopeppeppy | Meanie. |
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| 13:03.40 | mikma | thanks! |
| 13:04.34 | foxlit | "A judge in a Texas court has given Microsoft 60 days to comply with an order to stop selling Word products in their existing state as the result of a patent infringement suit filed by i4i." |
| 13:04.49 | Lopeppeppy | mrhph? |
| 13:04.55 | foxlit | "urgh!" |
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| 13:19.26 | Aelobin | aww they didnt give LW new drums :< |
| 13:20.01 | nevcairiel | drums have been removed since 3.0 =P |
| 13:20.02 | foxlit | Meh. I'm happy about that. |
| 13:21.04 | foxlit | Though I'm not sure they've actually removed them. |
| 13:21.12 | foxlit | There is an upper level, however. |
| 13:21.30 | nevcairiel | meh thats what i mean |
| 13:21.30 | Lopeppeppy | I was glad they were introduced, so that other classes could see how vile it is to nag about buffs... I could nag them about their drums finally!! |
| 13:21.34 | nevcairiel | no new drums, old drums ineffective on l80s |
| 13:21.38 | [SW]Dodge | drums got not relly removed, they are just useles for Lv80 |
| 13:21.44 | foxlit | That's not quite 3.0, then, nev :) |
| 13:21.57 | Aelobin | what about drums of panic/speed, did they ever go live? |
| 13:22.03 | nevcairiel | who uses raid buffs like that on anything but maxlevel |
| 13:22.07 | Aelobin | wowhead/thottbot say they didnt get L80 req |
| 13:22.17 | foxlit | 3.0 went live with maxlevel being 70. |
| 13:22.17 | nevcairiel | i guess you could argue that 3.0 was out a month before wotlk :P |
| 13:22.53 | Aelobin | plus it's 50 charges per drum :P pretty much an extra trinket for a lvlling player |
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| 13:23.25 | nevcairiel | meh i dunno, on leveling mobs die so fast that using trinkets is futile |
| 13:23.34 | nevcairiel | unless you go solo some elites |
| 13:23.35 | foxlit | restoration drums were nice |
| 13:23.48 | VonhintenHOME` | that's why you pull multiple :) |
| 13:23.57 | krka | Lopeppeppy: comparing classes and professions? |
| 13:24.00 | nevcairiel | even then :P |
| 13:24.09 | VonhintenHOME` | well, DK notwithstanding |
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| 13:24.22 | nevcairiel | i used to run around collecting mobs, but when you have 3-4, the next one is too far away, and you risk losing the first one |
| 13:24.30 | nevcairiel | as a druid, that was |
| 13:24.35 | nevcairiel | (feral) |
| 13:24.40 | krka | yeah, same here :/ |
| 13:24.46 | VonhintenHOME` | yeah, blizz's anti-kiting sucks |
| 13:25.08 | VonhintenHOME` | daoc you could pull half a zone before worrying about that |
| 13:25.26 | Aelobin | im looking if there's another proff that gives combat bonuses other than +stats |
| 13:25.27 | Lopeppeppy | krka, I'd compare apples and orangutans if I could. |
| 13:25.29 | Aelobin | like engineering |
| 13:25.33 | foxlit | Just swipe them every so often :) |
| 13:25.39 | Elkano | yeah, skinning a bear should just aggro all other bears across Azeroth |
| 13:26.06 | krka | if mobs were intelligent, we'd all be screwed |
| 13:26.20 | krka | "hmm, maybe if we all stick together in a corner, and attack together, we'll be safer" |
| 13:26.43 | foxlit | "Kill the one in the dress!" |
| 13:26.44 | nevcairiel | "maybe if we go for the healer first..." |
| 13:26.48 | Elkano | krka, just see: http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1824771 |
| 13:26.58 | Aelobin | if NPCs were smarter then IoC would never end. who the hell only opens their front door when their gate has been destroyed? |
| 13:30.49 | sacarasc | IoC? |
| 13:30.59 | Aelobin | isle of conquest |
| 13:31.09 | sacarasc | Ah. |
| 13:31.25 | sacarasc | Never been there. |
| 13:31.56 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiNaadVOQEM |
| 13:32.17 | mikma | anyone has any ideas what event covers hostile player mounting? |
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| 13:33.44 | Aelobin | mikma: O_o |
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| 13:34.38 | mikma | yes, what event covers hostile player mounting. |
| 13:34.47 | mikma | combat_log_event_unfiltered doesn't cover it |
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| 13:36.22 | p3lim | isnt it considered a normal spell? |
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| 13:36.53 | mikma | nope |
| 13:37.22 | p3lim | item use? |
| 13:38.16 | mikma | so, back to the question. what event covers hostile player mounting? |
| 13:39.23 | mikma | i guess it's devtools time |
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| 13:41.02 | Aelobin | isn't it some kind of buff gain? :P i have no idea lol |
| 13:41.56 | mikma | if it would, it would be shown in CLEU |
| 13:46.12 | mikma | there actually is one event... |
| 13:46.17 | mikma | COMPANION_UPDATE |
| 13:46.31 | mikma | but that only gives arg1="MOUNT" |
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| 13:53.02 | Aelobin | is there anyone here that's familiar with the achievement ui? |
| 13:56.12 | Lopeppeppy | In what manner, Aelobin? |
| 13:56.33 | Aelobin | the code behind the visual aspects of it :P |
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| 13:58.50 | |Jelly| | tackles Peppy with lovies! |
| 14:00.21 | Lopeppeppy | You're so deliciously vague, I can only point to other addons that play with it... Urban Achiever is one I use. |
| 14:00.23 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Jelly-dear. |
| 14:00.39 | Fisker | http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp;jsessionid=1162CEFC2B064AD294CBC693D9F7AB58.bbolsp-app06-32?skuId=8749287&type=product&id=1202649424157 <-nice price, especially with the save $100 and $40 offers! |
| 14:00.41 | Aelobin | ty Lopeppeppy, i've taken a look at OverAchiever too :) |
| 14:01.19 | Fisker | Urban Achiever is the reason why we can't have nice things |
| 14:01.35 | Lopeppeppy | That tv is the reason we can't have vacations. |
| 14:03.27 | Fisker | you guys must be poor then |
| 14:04.34 | Lopeppeppy | Laying out a lot of bucks for my sick cat. :) |
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| 14:08.22 | Fisker | but then it's your cats fault |
| 14:08.35 | Fisker | gets a gun |
| 14:08.42 | Lopeppeppy | Nope, all my fault, I lurvs her too much. |
| 14:08.51 | Lopeppeppy | shoot me instead, then maybe I'll get some sleep! |
| 14:11.12 | Fisker | http://probablybadnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/MontyJPizza.jpg <-lawl |
| 14:15.34 | VonhintenHOME` | haha |
| 14:17.09 | Aelobin | Lopeppeppy: what colour cat =o |
| 14:17.48 | VonhintenHOME` | Fisker, wtf, 9.99? |
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| 14:19.28 | VonhintenHOME` | I'm ordering that shit... $9.99 plus shipping... let them tell me they can't ship it to me =P |
| 14:21.05 | Fisker | :P |
| 14:21.11 | VonhintenHOME` | lol, now it's 19.98 |
| 14:21.19 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 14:22.11 | VonhintenHOME` | "overall sweet deal, it only costed me 9.99 per tv, that's pretty dope, so I just bought 10 of em, only bad thing is that recycling fees are lame." |
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| 14:23.24 | VonhintenHOME` | oh wait, no, that's 2 TV's |
| 14:23.57 | nevcairiel | i dunno how US laws are at that, if the contract is binding and all once they realize their mistake |
| 14:24.21 | ZorbaBeta | nev, there's a get-out-of-jail-free card in US contract law - if the contract is clearly ridiculous, it's non-binding |
| 14:24.44 | ZorbaBeta | if this somehow went to court, it would almost certainly end in the judge saying "Come on. Really? Seriously?" |
| 14:24.54 | VonhintenHOME` | I think they can just say the price was wrong and refuse to let the sale go through |
| 14:25.09 | zenzelezz | 8th graders can be strikingly smart sometimes: "There are numerous reasons why I believe the starting of college is the point you enter college. " |
| 14:25.14 | ZorbaBeta | I don't even know it would be considered a contract, in which case, yeah, they can just say "NOPE" |
| 14:25.20 | krka | what tv are you talking about? |
| 14:25.31 | ZorbaBeta | it wouldn't surprise me if it's listed somewhere in their terms and services that they can do just that |
| 14:25.35 | ZorbaBeta | krka, http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp;jsessionid=1162CEFC2B064AD294CBC693D9F7AB58.bbolsp-app06-32?skuId=8749287&type=product&id=1202649424157 |
| 14:25.48 | krka | afaik, if an item is sold for a ridiculously low price, they can say "sorry, wrong price info, should have been obvious" |
| 14:26.06 | krka | if it's only 5% lower than market value or something, the company is screwed though |
| 14:26.07 | nevcairiel | Around here the contract would be binding. That happend to some company just a month ago or so, they tried to claim the description was "unclear", and it was just for an accessoir, and not the product itself. |
| 14:26.12 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, and this is around 0.3% of the standard price |
| 14:26.35 | nevcairiel | i wonder what came out of that |
| 14:26.38 | krka | basically, if they send you the item, they'll charge the real price |
| 14:26.40 | nevcairiel | looks for news article |
| 14:26.43 | krka | or not send it |
| 14:26.48 | Fisker | well nevcairiel |
| 14:26.58 | ZorbaBeta | if they charged the real price they'd be opening themselves up for crazy lawsuits |
| 14:26.59 | Fisker | most companies work around that quite easily |
| 14:27.00 | VonhintenHOME` | I don't think they could get away with charging the actual price |
| 14:27.07 | ZorbaBeta | they'd probably just say "no" |
| 14:27.07 | Kraps | i'm almost here http://terranova.blogs.com/terra_nova/2006/08/wownnui.html |
| 14:27.11 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=24324 |
| 14:27.14 | ZorbaBeta | although it has been tried once before. it did not go well for the company |
| 14:27.24 | VonhintenHOME` | Especially since I would definitely keep a copy of this page around |
| 14:27.25 | Fisker | For example when you order the item, it may not be a "contract" before a salesman have finally validated the order and accepted it |
| 14:27.34 | krka | might be worth buying one then, worst that happens is that i don't get one, but keep my money |
| 14:27.40 | ZorbaBeta | mikma, that is the best NPC |
| 14:27.50 | krka | VonhintenHOME`: i wonder if you can tell google to cache it too |
| 14:28.25 | VonhintenHOME` | I was just typing that... google or waybackmachine or something... gotta be some official caching mechanism you can tell to save a copy of something for legal disputes |
| 14:29.04 | ZorbaBeta | I always wanted to rig up some kind of a distributed digital signing system |
| 14:29.18 | ZorbaBeta | so you could get absolutely anything timestamped securely |
| 14:29.25 | ZorbaBeta | turns out some company has a patent on the idea. welp. |
| 14:29.33 | Kraps | mikma: how did that get there? |
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| 14:30.35 | nevcairiel | software patents are ftl, i seriously hope the EU never changes their mind, and we'll never have them here |
| 14:30.53 | zenzelezz | agreed |
| 14:30.55 | krka | ZorbaBeta: the best thing would be if you could simply upload a sha-256 hash to an online service that stored it, together with timestamp and submitter |
| 14:30.59 | krka | you'd keep the original text yourself |
| 14:31.03 | nevcairiel | look at the ridicoulus charges against microsoft now |
| 14:31.06 | krka | then you could prove you wrote it at a specific time |
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| 14:31.18 | nevcairiel | because some company patented xml reading, or shit like that |
| 14:31.37 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=14720 <- comment nr.2 :D |
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| 14:33.03 | ZorbaBeta | krka, yeah, that'd work, but I like the idea of a timestamp/signing service better. that way, you can't hack the system after the fact to inject data |
| 14:33.19 | ZorbaBeta | make it generate a series of keys, each signed with a master key, and throw each key away after an hour or so |
| 14:33.32 | mikma | "Wowhead shows that High Overlord Saurfang has been killed. Obviously, nobody has killed him. He killed himself, just to test. He didn't die, but he was able to loot himself anyways, because he wanted to." |
| 14:33.34 | ZorbaBeta | so, you want to get something signed as two weeks ago . . . too bad, key's gone |
| 14:33.47 | krka | timestamp/signing service? |
| 14:33.51 | krka | how do you make that tamper proof? |
| 14:34.11 | ZorbaBeta | that's where the distributed comes in - every (time amount) it sends a signed list of everything it's signed to all friendly servers |
| 14:34.34 | ZorbaBeta | within a day you've got an essentially guaranteed set of signatures that cannot be falsified |
| 14:34.43 | krka | right |
| 14:34.52 | foxlit | You're relying on a trusted party anyway. |
| 14:34.54 | ZorbaBeta | yes, server X might have been hacked, but here's servers Y, Z, Q, and J, all saying they saw that same signature list |
| 14:35.02 | foxlit | You might as well go "magic! It's secure!" |
| 14:35.08 | ZorbaBeta | foxlit, in this case you're relying on a set of trusted parties, any of which is verification |
| 14:35.27 | ZorbaBeta | if someone wants to prove that your signature is fake, they have to prove that *every single server* was hacked *at the time of the forgery* |
| 14:35.44 | ZorbaBeta | and with enough servers, run by enough different groups, that's absolutely ludicrous |
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| 14:39.20 | krka | aww the tv is sold out |
| 14:39.30 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 14:39.43 | VonhintenHOME` | Damn, I still have 10 in my cart |
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| 14:41.57 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=20000 |
| 14:41.58 | Neffykins | Is it at all possible to get the school of the spell an enemy player is casting? GetSpellLink and GetSpellInfo don't seem to return data unless you use the spell ID, which I can't seem to obtain with any API calls due to these restrictions |
| 14:43.14 | foxlit | It should be. |
| 14:43.23 | Aelobin | anyone got any idea why this won't work: http://www.pastey.net/120861 expected result: add an achievement parent category called "Pie" |
| 14:43.34 | Aelobin | if you have a different why of doing it, then that would be welcome too ;) |
| 14:44.14 | Neffykins | Well I figured it 'should be' but it looks like the restrictions on GetSpellInfo entirely prevent it |
| 14:44.43 | foxlit | Use the combat log, Luke. |
| 14:44.48 | krka | Neffykins: http://www.wowwiki.com/API_COMBAT_LOG_EVENT |
| 14:45.13 | Neffykins | That's kind of a shitty way to make cast bars =( |
| 14:50.18 | Wobin | www2.sandbox.google.com eh? |
| 14:51.51 | krka | aww, tv price has changed |
| 14:51.59 | krka | $1,699.99 now |
| 14:52.41 | VonhintenHOME` | That's actually a good price for that TV |
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| 14:53.45 | VonhintenHOME` | I was looking at that one a while back |
| 14:53.47 | Lopeppeppy | 70 bucks was better. :) |
| 14:55.57 | krka | VonhintenHOME`: yes, that is what you generally have them for - looking at |
| 14:56.07 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 14:56.15 | Lopeppeppy | hi hi, shirik. |
| 14:56.21 | VonhintenHOME` | I was _researching_ that one a while back :) |
| 14:58.22 | VonhintenHOME` | GM's saying their Chevy Volt will be 230 mpg |
| 14:59.00 | Shirik | That's because their numbers are screwed |
| 14:59.15 | Shirik | That's marketing numbers, not engineering numbers |
| 15:00.06 | Shirik | problem is there's no standard on how to do mpg/eq |
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| 15:00.26 | VonhintenHOME` | they're no doubt talking gallons of gas |
| 15:00.43 | VonhintenHOME` | consumed by the car itself |
| 15:00.58 | Shirik | PSAT showed it at around 80-100 about 6 months ago |
| 15:01.07 | Shirik | which is a more reliable and reasonable number |
| 15:01.10 | VonhintenHOME` | that's still pretty good |
| 15:01.18 | Shirik | I totally agree, I'm not trying to say the car's bad |
| 15:01.19 | krka | i think shirik means that there are way too many factors that affect mileage |
| 15:01.27 | Shirik | I'm just trying to say 230 is really meaningless |
| 15:01.46 | Shirik | no krka, I mean that they're not taking into account everything the engineers tell US to take into account |
| 15:02.12 | Shirik | when WE rate our mpg/eq, we have to take into account pollution of the power plants, gas burned by power plants, etc., for all electricity that's "from the grid" |
| 15:02.22 | krka | like driving on a perfectly straight road without friction, no turning, acceleration or deceleration? |
| 15:02.26 | Shirik | which is why we went to PHEV instead of straight EV |
| 15:02.56 | krka | ok now you lost me |
| 15:03.09 | Shirik | actually, there are models for all of that krka :) Though the standard one tends to be a more passive driver (not so much hard accel/decel) |
| 15:03.10 | krka | i thought you were talking about "miles per gallon" |
| 15:03.15 | Shirik | yes |
| 15:03.17 | Shirik | but |
| 15:03.20 | krka | eq? |
| 15:03.27 | Shirik | miles per gallon equivalent |
| 15:03.38 | Shirik | you have to take into account the fuel burned by the power plants |
| 15:03.55 | Shirik | (GM gave us some formula for that for our purposes) |
| 15:04.14 | Shirik | for emissions guidelines, you have to take into account the pollution of the power plants, etc. |
| 15:04.27 | krka | ah, for emissions, not cost? |
| 15:04.29 | VonhintenHOME` | yeah, of course |
| 15:04.46 | Shirik | for emissions, pollution. For cost and mpg, fuel for the power plant |
| 15:04.50 | Shirik | etc. |
| 15:05.42 | VonhintenHOME` | Ultimately, the end consumer wants to know two things (if they're interested in hybrids), 1) is it going to save me money to run the thing, and 2) is it doing enough good versus a normal car to justify the cost to me |
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| 15:06.16 | Shirik | So I mean, one of our initial vehicles where we totally turned off the gas (for a battery test) showed up as infinite mpg (for obvious reasons) |
| 15:06.31 | Shirik | But showed only about 100 mpg/eq |
| 15:06.59 | Shirik | Personally I think electric cars are too expensive right now. However, the Volt is really pushing that barrier |
| 15:07.02 | Shirik | it is a good design |
| 15:07.14 | foxlit | I take offense to "(for obvious reasons)" |
| 15:07.24 | foxlit | It could just as obviously be "0 mpg" |
| 15:07.25 | Shirik | ... no gas... division by zero? |
| 15:07.34 | Shirik | not really |
| 15:07.36 | foxlit | In that, when given a gallon of gas, you can go 0 miles. |
| 15:07.49 | Shirik | .. |
| 15:07.49 | Shirik | fine |
| 15:08.12 | Shirik | blame the authors of the program |
| 15:08.12 | Shirik | not me |
| 15:08.21 | nevcairiel | But you're here, and they are not |
| 15:08.24 | nevcairiel | also, its fun |
| 15:08.43 | Shirik | oh wtf was that shit |
| 15:09.06 | Shirik | dolby: When I get distracted over here when I'm approving something, then I hit the "approve" button but someone already did |
| 15:09.14 | Shirik | it says "Slow poke! Someone already approved this file!" |
| 15:09.16 | Shirik | that's messed up |
| 15:09.19 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet! |
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| 15:09.59 | VonhintenHOME` | Booo, pessimitic locking strategy WRU |
| 15:12.08 | Shirik | Ackis: I love your current version |
| 15:12.14 | Shirik | 1.0 3.2 AntiVir Sucks |
| 15:12.19 | Shirik | how the hell am I supposed to parse that :P |
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| 15:18.07 | foxlit | Shirik: from here on forward, ever new version is version "10" |
| 15:18.17 | Shirik | lol |
| 15:18.18 | foxlit | We'll just increment the implied base. |
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| 15:35.35 | Cruciformer | Could I possibly trouble all you experts out thre to take a look at http://wowuidev.pastey.net/120864 and see if you can see why tsoffset is always 0? |
| 15:36.09 | VonhintenHOME` | hmmm perseid meteor shower on google |
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| 15:37.10 | nevcairiel | Cruciformer: did you actually look at the timestamp argument? its not a plain number |
| 15:37.22 | Cruciformer | Yes, its a float |
| 15:37.32 | nevcairiel | also, select(1, ...) is kinda pointless :D |
| 15:37.44 | nevcairiel | you could just add ets to the argument list |
| 15:37.58 | Cruciformer | ok :) thanks, I'll do that. |
| 15:38.30 | Cruciformer | the printf returns, for example: ets=1250091157.114(1250091157) evtsecs=37 now=783337 getsecs=37 tsoffset=0 |
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| 15:40.05 | nevcairiel | are those real numbers, or something you just made up? |
| 15:40.08 | durcyn | uh, you're subracting 37 from 37 and wondering why the result is zero? |
| 15:40.12 | Cruciformer | real pasted numbers |
| 15:40.17 | durcyn | i'm confused. |
| 15:40.27 | nevcairiel | then listen to what durcyn says |
| 15:40.38 | nevcairiel | GetTime and the event timestamp both use the local client time |
| 15:40.45 | nevcairiel | how would it ever be different? |
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| 15:40.54 | Cruciformer | durcyn: No sir, I am wondering why it is *ALWAYS* zero, why the modulo of the event time and GetTime() is always the same |
| 15:40.57 | nevcairiel | or is both server time? |
| 15:41.03 | nevcairiel | anyway |
| 15:41.03 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 15:41.11 | Cruciformer | the vent time is server time and GetTime is local time |
| 15:41.20 | VonhintenHOME` | they would only vary on a microsecond level, if anything |
| 15:41.29 | nevcairiel | so change your local clock a bit |
| 15:41.30 | nevcairiel | and see |
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| 15:41.57 | Neffykins | What do the filters on UnitAura signify? Specifically, what is the filter "PLAYER" used for? |
| 15:41.59 | durcyn | where does GetTime documentation state that it uses the local clock? |
| 15:42.25 | nevcairiel | !api GetTime |
| 15:42.26 | lua_bot | GetTime: Returns a number representing the current time (with millisecond precision) (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetTime) |
| 15:42.35 | Neffykins | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:42.47 | Neffykins | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetTime |
| 15:42.54 | Cruciformer | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetTime |
| 15:43.01 | Cruciformer | heh beat me Neffykins |
| 15:43.12 | Cairenn | be afraid, be very afraid: http://ihasahotdog.com/2009/08/11/funny-dog-pictures-weenie-dog/ |
| 15:43.21 | durcyn | oh, hey, wowwiki beats wowprogramming for the first time ever |
| 15:44.14 | durcyn | Neffykins: and that filter is the caster, afaict |
| 15:44.33 | Lopeppeppy | cowers away from Cairenn |
| 15:44.42 | Neffykins | Yeah I thought it was, but UnitAura("target",1,"PLAYER") returns nil when I have Cheap Shot on an enemy |
| 15:45.00 | Cairenn | not me, the dschsund |
| 15:45.04 | Cairenn | lol |
| 15:45.09 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 15:45.14 | durcyn | Neffykins: why are you specifying an index? |
| 15:45.28 | Neffykins | Don't you need to? |
| 15:45.50 | Cruciformer | So any other ideas? Or other ideas of how I can get server time with seconds precision? |
| 15:46.04 | Cruciformer | (I know this has been much discussed in the past few weeks) |
| 15:46.17 | nevcairiel | there is even code on WoWWiki how to do that |
| 15:46.29 | nevcairiel | every better clock-addon does it |
| 15:46.55 | Cruciformer | that code only becomes accurate after (potentially) a minute has elapsed. |
| 15:47.21 | nevcairiel | yes, so? |
| 15:47.41 | Cruciformer | what happens if I need the timestamp before a minute has elapsed? |
| 15:48.22 | Cruciformer | put up a warning "Hey please dont use the mod to generate any loot events for up to a minute?" |
| 15:48.32 | nevcairiel | Anyway, GetGameTime is the only function that returns the server time, afaik |
| 15:49.02 | nevcairiel | combatlog is local |
| 15:49.18 | A-KO | why do you need server time anyway? |
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| 15:49.34 | Neffykins | Cruciformer: When I was working with server time, as I understood it there's no way around the restriction. You can't get server time to precision without the code posted on WoWWiki. |
| 15:49.41 | Cruciformer | A-KO: To generate a reliable event number that is guaranteed to increase from one loot event to another. |
| 15:50.07 | Cruciformer | A-KO: Across a number of users X where X > 1 |
| 15:51.15 | nevcairiel | How likely is it that all of those X people just logged in and lost their offset data? |
| 15:51.18 | Cruciformer | nevcairiel: Someone (Shirik, Arrowmaster, someone like that) did a bunch of experiments and determined the server events from combat log were in fact server time. |
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| 15:51.49 | nevcairiel | Cruciformer: thats so easy to test, just set your date a day back, and run a combatlog |
| 15:52.01 | nevcairiel | i'm pretty sure its local |
| 15:52.06 | durcyn | combatlog is local |
| 15:52.21 | Cruciformer | nevcairiel: that particular thing is unlikely, but the chance that someone generates a loot event right after doing a reloadui and resetting their offset |
| 15:52.24 | durcyn | i had my clock wrong once and it broke wws for me |
| 15:52.42 | nevcairiel | Cruciformer: so share the current server time between the X users |
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| 15:52.48 | Cruciformer | is much higher and what I am trying to cater for. |
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| 15:53.13 | durcyn | Cruciformer: what are you trying to accomplish anyway? |
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| 15:53.25 | nevcairiel | he wants a unique incrementing id, or something |
| 15:53.37 | Cruciformer | durcyn: reliable event ID's |
| 15:53.43 | Neffykins | Maybe rethink the way you're doing things so you don't need the precision? You're not going to get it |
| 15:53.45 | durcyn | yes, yes, but to what end |
| 15:54.05 | Cruciformer | to store a sync record in a transaction log |
| 15:54.17 | durcyn | now you're just being difficult, afk |
| 15:54.35 | Cruciformer | I am not trying to be. Sorry if you perceieved that. |
| 15:55.17 | Neffykins | You're syncing data across multiple clients, right? Why not have the client receiving the data check the time it was received on his end? |
| 15:55.27 | ZorbaBeta | cruci, do you need for events to be entered into the log the instant they're generated? |
| 15:55.33 | VonhintenHOME` | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/08/01/funny-pictures-to-fit-in-box/ |
| 15:55.35 | Neffykins | Or have the time it was sent sent along with the message, and you can calculate an offset between the time on the clients |
| 15:55.55 | ZorbaBeta | and what kind of between-client communication is there? |
| 15:56.41 | ZorbaBeta | (also man do I wish there was a higher-res timer in WoW) |
| 15:57.03 | Cruciformer | I am trying to ensure that I can reliably sync data between officers, some of who may be offline when a loot event occured. I need to be able to ensure that event ID's are unique, and always increasing, so I can do a compare to say "if the last event I receieved from you is lower than your current event ID, sent me all of the events between what I last had and now" |
| 15:58.15 | Cruciformer | ZorbaBeta: Pretty much, yeah. thers no useful way for me to delay insertion into the log. |
| 15:58.17 | ZorbaBeta | that sounds like *each user* needs to guarantee unique increasing IDs, not a global unique always-increasing ID across all users |
| 15:58.44 | Lunessa | Station - http://www.hawkstudios.net/temp/automata_final.jpg |
| 15:58.55 | Lopeppeppy | Does this rely on saved variables? I remember how hideous it is when a SV file corrupts... |
| 15:59.01 | Lopeppeppy | Morning, Lunessa. *hug* |
| 15:59.12 | Lunessa | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 15:59.19 | Cruciformer | Lopeppeppy: thats exactly why I am trying to avoid saved variables :) |
| 15:59.29 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, carry on then, eat more Fig Newtons. |
| 15:59.42 | Cruciformer | icky poo ... figs are the devil's work |
| 15:59.43 | malreth | automata rocks |
| 15:59.49 | ZorbaBeta | figs are awesome |
| 16:00.00 | Lopeppeppy | Then eat blueberry newtons or something. |
| 16:00.33 | Lunessa | malreth: /agree |
| 16:01.07 | alestane | It was definitely off to an interesting start. |
| 16:02.26 | Lunessa | Cruciformer: You're going to run into trouble any time you have to essentially share P2P data with sources in WoW who's presence cannot be relied upon. The best handling I've seen of complex data handling in that case is GroupCalendar - and even then it had massive problems with accuracy for all users. |
| 16:03.07 | Cruciformer | Lunessa: yeah its a thorny problem alright |
| 16:04.16 | Cruciformer | my kingdom for server-side addon storage that can be shared between users |
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| 16:04.39 | ZorbaBeta | man someday I am going to write an addon p2p database that just plain works |
| 16:04.44 | ZorbaBeta | only that's a lie because i don't have time |
| 16:06.36 | Lunessa | And because the problem is a real bitch. |
| 16:07.09 | ZorbaBeta | it's not that bad if you just require a specific database layout |
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| 16:07.30 | ZorbaBeta | "update" is impossible, all operations must be "set" (combo insert and replace) |
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| 16:08.36 | ZorbaBeta | timestamp everything's face off, checksum it all to hell, and bob's your uncle. add digital signing if you want security. |
| 16:08.39 | Lunessa | And the data sizes small enough that syncing doesn't take forever, and your protocol for sharing has to be willing to discard disruptive data... |
| 16:09.07 | ZorbaBeta | datasize would be the problem of the database user, not the database layer |
| 16:09.20 | Cruciformer | ZorbaBeta: Now we're back to the timestamping thing :) |
| 16:09.28 | ZorbaBeta | you want to squeeze a megabyte of data over the WoW addon channels, it's your problem |
| 16:10.10 | ZorbaBeta | cruci, it's not actually that big of an issue - in my case I'd just let, in the case of a conflict, either data rather arbitrarily flatten other data. if a commit has to be atomic, just commit it all with the same timestamp |
| 16:10.29 | ZorbaBeta | when you log on, check the server minute and assume the seconds are :00. synch up more accurately once you can. |
| 16:11.49 | Buuyo | Does grid have a way to tell who a buff applied to a target belongs to? |
| 16:12.04 | Cruciformer | well for the pure purposes of my addon and syncing, you are correct each user just needs to maintain their own count, so I can get by without timestamping if I have to, but I would have sure liked it. |
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| 16:12.24 | alestane | If the caster has a current valid unitID, it's possible, but there might not be a module checking it. |
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| 16:15.27 | Buuyo | I'm just thinking with the advent of stacked beacons, it'd be highly beneficial for paladins to be able to track if THEIR beacon fo light is applied to a target rather than just any beacon. |
| 16:15.52 | Buuyo | Most of the guys I know are using power auras and a focus macro for beacon to track it atm |
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| 16:22.48 | Kraps | http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/08/12/texas-judge-rules-microsoft-cant-sell-word-anymore/ |
| 16:22.53 | Kraps | huh? |
| 16:24.01 | Cairenn | wha? |
| 16:24.03 | Buuyo | Yeah. MS has been stepping on a lot of toes since they submitted the patent on storing "documents" as XML in general. |
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| 16:32.06 | NightHawkTheSan1 | I'm sure this is old news by now, but PA never ceases to amuse: http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/8/12/tall-poppy-syndrome/ |
| 16:34.42 | alestane | I still have trouble grasping the concept that making anything easier devalues the effort that anyone put into it before, and that this is an insult. |
| 16:35.01 | Lopeppeppy | Uphill both ways, in the snow, alestane. |
| 16:35.16 | NightHawkTheSan1 | alestane: see, the problem you're having is that you don't have a sufficiently developed adolescent entitlement complex |
| 16:35.40 | Lunessa | Much more interesting than the Word Case - http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2351495,00.asp |
| 16:35.42 | Neffykins | Does anyone here have FiOS internet? How good is it? |
| 16:36.15 | NightHawkTheSan1 | -clearly- [insert object here] exists solely to service your needs, and any concessions to anyone that isn't you is a direct insult, and devalues your stake in [whatever we're talking about] |
| 16:36.37 | Shirik__ | Cruciformer: I used to distribute patches over the addon channel |
| 16:36.42 | Shirik__ | securely |
| 16:36.50 | Cruciformer | err, thats nice. |
| 16:36.51 | Shirik__ | it's fairly trivial |
| 16:37.04 | Cruciformer | How does that help me wanting to get seconds precision in a timestamp? |
| 16:37.26 | Shirik__ | well we were discussing trusting other people |
| 16:37.34 | Cruciformer | we were? |
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| 16:37.43 | Shirik__ | well someone was |
| 16:37.44 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSan1: All good things are here only for me. The rest of you scrubs don't deserve it. |
| 16:37.46 | Cruciformer | I musta missed that part of the chat :) |
| 16:38.19 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Lunessa: i'll see that, and raise you "you're all just puppets in my own personal shadow-play, you don't exist outside my reality, and thus exist to serve me." ;) |
| 16:38.53 | Shirik__ | well in any case |
| 16:38.53 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSan1: I'll see you and raise you further - Nothing but me matters, ever. |
| 16:39.01 | Shirik__ | do you need true seconds precision, or only relative seconds precision |
| 16:39.03 | Shirik__ | actually |
| 16:39.07 | Shirik__ | what am I talking about |
| 16:39.08 | NightHawkTheSan1 | shakes his fist at Lunessa |
| 16:39.16 | Shirik__ | mikk wrote a library which gets game time to millisecond precision |
| 16:39.27 | Shirik__ | it just takes (worst-case) 60 seconds after startup to sync |
| 16:39.33 | nevcairiel | he doesnt want that |
| 16:39.36 | mikma | time() ? |
| 16:39.37 | nevcairiel | i told him about that already |
| 16:39.40 | malreth | the whole of existence is but a fantasy that i have created in my imagination |
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| 16:40.04 | Shirik__ | so what exactly is the problem |
| 16:40.16 | Shirik__ | because "seconds precision in a timestamp" is not exactly detailed |
| 16:40.29 | nevcairiel | he wants a id thats guaranteed to be unique in a distributed system |
| 16:40.35 | nevcairiel | or something |
| 16:40.39 | Shirik__ | Form a GUID |
| 16:40.49 | Cruciformer | thats a pretty succinct way of putting it nevcar |
| 16:40.51 | Lopeppeppy | tracking and reporting lootski across a group of players. |
| 16:40.57 | Shirik__ | GUIDs are technically not truly guaranteed unique |
| 16:40.59 | Shirik__ | but |
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| 16:41.23 | selckin | s/guid/uuid/ |
| 16:41.27 | Lopeppeppy | Its' for lootski, must be unique. |
| 16:41.34 | NightHawkTheSan1 | well, as enlightening as this foray into entitlement and narcissism has been, i need breakfast. |
| 16:41.35 | Shirik__ | "A GUID is a 128-bit integer (16 bytes) that can be used across all computers and networks wherever a unique identifier is required. Such an identifier has a very low probability of being duplicated." |
| 16:41.46 | Shirik__ | per MSDN |
| 16:41.59 | Shirik__ | GUIDs are used all over the place |
| 16:41.59 | Cruciformer | MSDN != WoW |
| 16:42.02 | selckin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universally_Unique_Identifier per wikipedia! |
| 16:42.04 | Shirik__ | Dude |
| 16:42.05 | malreth | NightHawkTheSan1: i wanted you to say that |
| 16:42.10 | selckin | clearly better then msdn |
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| 16:42.20 | Shirik__ | Can you think logically for a second |
| 16:42.31 | Shirik__ | Why does this not fit your problem? |
| 16:42.39 | Shirik__ | Instead of "It's MSDN, therefore it does not apply to my situation" |
| 16:42.51 | malreth | Shirik__: he can't because i do not will it to be so |
| 16:42.59 | nevcairiel | on that note, give Win7 in MSDNAA already |
| 16:43.11 | NightHawkTheSan1 | malreth: and so i did. |
| 16:43.58 | Lopeppeppy | lurks for cog|away... |
| 16:44.05 | Lunessa | malreth: I knew you would say that, because it is my will that you do so to amuse me for my pleasure. |
| 16:44.12 | selckin | "In other words, only after generating 1 billion UUIDs every second for the next 100 years, the probability of creating just one duplicate would be about 50%. The probability of one duplicate would be about 50% if every person on earth owns 600 million UUIDs" |
| 16:44.14 | selckin | math is fun |
| 16:44.14 | Cruciformer | Shirik__: For 1, get off your fucking high horse and keep your insults and snide comments to yourself about my ability to think logically. For 2, please consider this is a WoW mod, where all of the programming tools and libraries that may otherwise be available are not, and writing my own GUID generation thing with extremely limited resources is not a prudent use of my time nor an appropriate use of a mod, IMHO. |
| 16:44.41 | Shirik__ | It's a mathematical formula |
| 16:44.44 | Shirik__ | it's not complicated |
| 16:44.44 | malreth | Lunessa: and i decided that you would want to be amused |
| 16:45.05 | malreth | oh crap! CIRCULAR-REFERENTIAL EXISTENTIALISM!!! |
| 16:45.08 | Shirik__ | Furthermore, I apologize for offering free assistance and getting annoyed when you shoot it down without even thinking about it |
| 16:45.13 | Shirik__ | I will try not to offer this assistance in the future |
| 16:45.26 | Cruciformer | that is not necessary either and you know it. |
| 16:45.43 | Lopeppeppy | Sure it is. You swear at someone, they don't help you anymore, seems about standard to me. |
| 16:46.16 | malreth | Cruciformer: just do what i do and tell Shirik__ that he's smart... and then shortly after realize that he actually is. |
| 16:46.28 | Cruciformer | I value your assistance and contributions highly, but you can be a bit ... abbrasive if people dont fall into your line of thinking at the drop of a hat. |
| 16:46.35 | Lunessa | waits for the universe to spiral down the drain. |
| 16:46.44 | Cruciformer | malreth: his smarts were never in question. |
| 16:46.47 | selckin | too late lunessa |
| 16:46.58 | Lopeppeppy | laughs. |
| 16:46.59 | malreth | grrr.... nerd battle! |
| 16:47.07 | Lopeppeppy | Pretty much, malreth. |
| 16:47.13 | Shirik__ | Cruciformer: To my knowledge, I am only generally "abrasive" to one person in particular, perhaps two, and there is a reason behind that |
| 16:47.37 | Shirik__ | s/abrasive/globally abrasive/ |
| 16:47.39 | malreth | exactly... for instance, Shirik__ still hasn't forgiven me for humping his computers |
| 16:47.43 | Lunessa | Shirik: Wait - you're abrasive? That's MY job. |
| 16:47.49 | Cruciformer | ok well thats how I interpreted it, and if I was in error and you were not intending to be, I sincerely appologise. |
| 16:49.02 | Cruciformer | malreth: I suspect merely humping them would have been ok .. humping to COMPLETION and shorting the mobo was probably a bit much :P |
| 16:49.11 | Shirik__ | I just got an awesome idea for an addon |
| 16:49.25 | malreth | Cruciformer: i put a towel inside the case first... |
| 16:49.34 | Shirik__ | Attempt to create a cryptographically secure random number generator by monitoring trade chat |
| 16:49.39 | NightHawkTheSan1 | http://seattlest.com/2009/08/12/seattlest_pix_09aug12.php |
| 16:49.51 | Lopeppeppy | Then we just get back to "random numbers aren't random" as an argument. |
| 16:50.03 | NightHawkTheSan1 | is trade chat a sufficient source of randomness, though? |
| 16:50.10 | NightHawkTheSan1 | i mean, it's a sufficient source of stupid.. but.. |
| 16:50.12 | Shirik__ | I think it is :P |
| 16:50.17 | Lopeppeppy | Too much chuck norris, it's very patterned. |
| 16:50.38 | Lunessa | Ok... Someone on my LJ F-List is getting the boot for linking the goddamned biggest binary ever from LJ-toys. |
| 16:50.39 | malreth | Shirik__: i tried that once but with Barrens chat instead. the algorithm kept returning 0x00000000 for some reason |
| 16:50.43 | Cruciformer | NightHawkTheSan1: Considering how many "Anal [Pounce]" messages I see going through there in a day, probably not. |
| 16:50.59 | Lopeppeppy | binary linking? Sounds kinky |
| 16:52.18 | Lunessa | Whatever image or video they've used causes Firefox to get fubared |
| 16:52.24 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, ouch. |
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| 16:59.21 | Shirik__ | anyway back to the problem at hand |
| 16:59.36 | Shirik__ | I think WoW's RNG is too patterned to generate a 128-bit GUID |
| 16:59.45 | Shirik__ | (safely) |
| 17:00.02 | Shirik__ | But, by mixing in some other stuff, I think you could do it |
| 17:00.06 | Shirik__ | I'm going to try this tonight |
| 17:00.09 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Interesting, a Texas judge ruled that MS cannot sell Word in the US due to patent infringment? http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/176223.asp |
| 17:00.18 | Lopeppeppy | gets NHTS to scroll up. :) |
| 17:00.27 | NightHawkTheSan1 | ... dammit. |
| 17:00.36 | Lopeppeppy | *kiss kiss* |
| 17:00.46 | selckin | yes, because guessing trade chat would be hard :p |
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| 17:00.55 | selckin | nobody has that information! |
| 17:01.15 | NightHawkTheSan1 | in anycase, doubtful the ruling will stick |
| 17:01.27 | Lopeppeppy | But it's fun to do challenges. |
| 17:01.53 | Cloudwolf | question how do i get the players character name? |
| 17:02.10 | NightHawkTheSan1 | ~api UnitName |
| 17:02.11 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitName |
| 17:02.23 | NightHawkTheSan1 | MAGIC! |
| 17:02.34 | Cloudwolf | ty |
| 17:02.47 | Industrial | sigh, I need to find an irc channel dedicated to Industrial music :\ |
| 17:02.49 | NightHawkTheSan1 | the crazy thing is, taht was totally there all along, you could have.. *gasp* looked yoruself |
| 17:02.53 | NightHawkTheSan1 | that*, yourself* |
| 17:03.06 | sacarasc | Industrial: #digitalgunfire maybe? |
| 17:03.28 | Industrial | sacarasc: hm right |
| 17:03.36 | Industrial | sacarasc: listen to it quite a bit :) |
| 17:03.42 | Cloudwolf | i had no idea what the api for that looked like i had no ide it was called unitname... |
| 17:04.00 | Cloudwolf | im used to coding for gmod atm where its something like playerobject:Name() |
| 17:04.15 | NightHawkTheSan1 | just opening a list of api methods in either wowwiki or wowprogramming and searching for "name" in your browser would have turned it up without difficulty |
| 17:04.30 | Cruciformer | Industrial: I was thinking of you toay as I ripped my newly acquired Suicide Command CD's. |
| 17:05.14 | Industrial | \:D/ |
| 17:05.38 | Cruciformer | (which you first turned me onto btw, them and Grendel, which is proving harder to get) |
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| 17:09.39 | alestane | Okay, so I'm soloing Strat Dead. I pull Ramstein into the slaughterhouse, kill the black guard, and get destroyed by an army of mindless undead who somehow aggroed on me THROUGH the door. |
| 17:09.55 | alestane | Having reentered the instance, the slaughterhouse gate is still locked. Resolutions? |
| 17:10.13 | foxlit | The army of mindless undead is somewhat intended. |
| 17:10.29 | nevcairiel | I used to intentionally aggro them through the door |
| 17:10.33 | nevcairiel | so i get the shit done faster |
| 17:10.45 | nevcairiel | or run inside with rammstein |
| 17:10.53 | nevcairiel | but once you're locked out, you have to reset |
| 17:11.16 | Shirik__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.25 | nevcairiel | oh wait, i misread you, btu anyway, doesnt change the end result |
| 17:11.36 | foxlit | It used to be a known issue. |
| 17:11.38 | alestane | I WAS AT THE F*&^ING Baron and I have to throw the GADDAMNED INSTANCE AWAY because it can't tell I'm not in there anymore? |
| 17:11.58 | nevcairiel | what did you die for, anyway |
| 17:12.02 | foxlit | serves you right for dying, tbh. |
| 17:12.22 | nevcairiel | those mindless undead are like one hits |
| 17:12.23 | alestane | I was pretty close when I finished off the black guard, then the army aggroed on me even though I was inside. |
| 17:12.41 | alestane | And I'm 69 on this toon. |
| 17:12.57 | nevcairiel | heh that makes it harder |
| 17:13.03 | nevcairiel | i only did it on a full epic 70 |
| 17:13.06 | nevcairiel | and 80, of course |
| 17:14.37 | alestane | I went in to do the last vanilla-wow quest in my log, which was "Kill Baron Rivendare." |
| 17:14.45 | alestane | I cleared up to the Baron. |
| 17:14.56 | alestane | And now I get to spend another HOUR doing it AGAIN! |
| 17:15.07 | nevcairiel | you know, canceling the quest might be faster |
| 17:15.32 | alestane | And I call that "quitting." |
| 17:15.45 | nevcairiel | i call dying "failing." |
| 17:16.00 | alestane | But having been told in this particular way to go fuck myself, I'm considering it. |
| 17:16.19 | alestane | Because aobviously I should never be taking damage. |
| 17:16.51 | nevcairiel | maybe you should just take it slow, and not pull rammstein inside :) |
| 17:16.58 | selckin | there isn't in strat that doesn't reopen |
| 17:17.00 | alestane | Sorry, it's not you I'm pissy at. |
| 17:17.23 | nevcairiel | I had strat bug lots of times |
| 17:17.40 | nevcairiel | soem time back i just killed the last abonimation on that place before the baron house |
| 17:17.42 | nevcairiel | and they all respawned |
| 17:17.55 | nevcairiel | did it again, and it happend again |
| 17:17.59 | nevcairiel | that was fun :P |
| 17:18.05 | alestane | I know DKs are supposedly unkillable, but I was at 15% or so after the black guard and not expecting ~50 undead to come kill me THROUGH the door. |
| 17:18.26 | selckin | learn to remove your massieve aoe of doom! |
| 17:18.47 | alestane | I didn't have it up! I was about to drop it on the undead but I died to fast! |
| 17:20.25 | Lopeppeppy | Yuh-huh. |
| 17:20.29 | Lopeppeppy | Bring more paladins. :P |
| 17:20.53 | alestane | My paladin had a hell of a time in Strat Dead, although that was mostly because of Crypt Crawlers. |
| 17:21.45 | alestane | And apparently the game is REALLY telling me to go fuck myself, because now that I've reset, "Additional Instances cannot be launched." |
| 17:22.38 | Lopeppeppy | This is not your millenium, alestane. |
| 17:23.37 | foxlit | The instance servers hate everyone. |
| 17:23.53 | Lopeppeppy | They have been covered in hate for a few months now. |
| 17:24.37 | Lunessa | Artificial caps on instances suck. I'm wondering what the full solution will be. |
| 17:25.22 | foxlit | More hardware. |
| 17:25.47 | selckin | less players. |
| 17:25.58 | foxlit | Smaller clusters, perhaps. |
| 17:26.11 | alestane | The problem right now is that each realm has basically one dedicated instance server as I understand it, so before they can get more hardware, it has to be explained to them that they can USE more hardware. |
| 17:26.48 | selckin | it wasn't designed to scale, so its a huge pain todo so now and it'll take time! |
| 17:26.49 | foxlit | But that's a software issue. |
| 17:27.11 | alestane | Which we all know are easy to solve instantly. |
| 17:27.26 | foxlit | Of course. |
| 17:27.28 | alestane | I'm sorry, I'm just generally ticked off right now. |
| 17:27.43 | selckin | how hard is it to run a cable betwean the existing server and a new one seriously! |
| 17:27.47 | Lopeppeppy | offers careful huggles. |
| 17:27.51 | foxlit | But they have presumably resolved /that/ -- considering some realms are getting "instance server improvements", whatever those are. |
| 17:28.10 | Lunessa | I think instanceservers are shared by a battle group, but that's only a guess based on observed behavior. |
| 17:28.12 | alestane | selckin: That's my point, it's not as easy as just plugging in more servers |
| 17:28.18 | malreth | selckin: they should run TWO cables to the new server... that'll make it twice as fast |
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| 17:29.10 | selckin | thats so oldskool, just get some wifi repeaters |
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| 17:29.17 | Lopeppeppy | Ooh, I'll raise you, two server cables and a server hamster to string them! |
| 17:29.46 | Lunessa | Gotta throw in some hubs. Can never have enough hubs. |
| 17:30.21 | Lopeppeppy | Don't want no stinking hubcaps. |
| 17:30.24 | Lopeppeppy | Need a car first. |
| 17:30.44 | selckin | collect those bottlecaps |
| 17:30.56 | Lopeppeppy | Okay, cogwheel has been gone too long. Anyone else a dedicated cat-parent, I have ** questions ** ! |
| 17:31.24 | malreth | i have a cat... i don't think that'll make me an expert, however |
| 17:31.33 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Ask him on FB |
| 17:32.09 | Lopeppeppy | You're already reading my stories of evil, malreth! Lunessa, I'll drop him an email, but that doesn't satisfy the cat mommy who wants to know everything right now. I'm so obsessive. |
| 17:33.01 | Lunessa | Kitteh is doing fine. She's in a new place, new human, new cat-sister, big pain from surgery and loopy from drugs. |
| 17:33.11 | Lunessa | She's going to be upset for a while. |
| 17:33.18 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: well, my first bit of advice would be for you to make your cat a Twitter account. that way she can let you know what's going on |
| 17:34.03 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, I think she yoinked some stitches too. :( malreth, I'd get right on that, but there's not room for the laptop in her kennel! :) |
| 17:34.16 | Cruciformer | weird. sending an addon message with WHISPER results in a "User is AFK" altert. I wouldnt have thought it would do that for an addon message, just a normal one. |
| 17:34.22 | Lunessa | She needs an iPhone then. |
| 17:34.26 | Lopeppeppy | She's not upset, she's very friendly. I'm the one stressing that I'm starving her to death or something. :) |
| 17:34.46 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: she an adult? |
| 17:34.58 | Lopeppeppy | Approx. 5 years old. |
| 17:35.22 | malreth | is she overweight? |
| 17:35.30 | foxlit | Hrm, why does my ToL aura keep fading :/ |
| 17:35.42 | Lopeppeppy | Bit scrawny from being a stray. |
| 17:36.56 | malreth | it's been my experience that most cats won't overeat unless they feel there's some sort of competition going on |
| 17:37.29 | Lopeppeppy | She's eating what I hand feed her, or spoon feed her, but after tipping her water dish over with her e-collar, she won't eat out of dishes. Rawr. |
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| 17:37.56 | malreth | the cone of shame? |
| 17:38.00 | Lopeppeppy | Cone of shame. |
| 17:38.30 | Lunessa | Rosie the Victorian. |
| 17:38.32 | Lopeppeppy | If I could find her former owners I'd kill them myself. |
| 17:38.58 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: if she's having trouble eating normal cat food, she likely won't eat them either |
| 17:39.48 | Lopeppeppy | She'll eat anything, she's just not confident she can reach them, and won't try. I put it on a spoon so it's easier to reach, and she chows down. I'm using wet food, and watering it down, to make sure she gets enough liquids. |
| 17:40.14 | malreth | lemme check something... there are quite a few cat shelters that have twitter accounts |
| 17:41.04 | Lopeppeppy | I'm just a nervous mommy, I've never had a cat so severely injured. A clawed ear from a fight, but not like what she had. |
| 17:45.12 | NeoTron | so what happened to her? |
| 17:46.08 | malreth | well, you could follow a few hundred cat accounts on Twitter and then lazywebbing some answers |
| 17:46.12 | Lunessa | Someone is cooking bacon in the break room... and now... I'm STARVING |
| 17:46.14 | Lopeppeppy | Dunno... she was a stray, she was found with a huge open wound in her left "armpit" area, partway down her side. She's healed a lot, had surgery Monday to hopefully close the rest. *fingers crossed* |
| 17:46.16 | malreth | but to me it sounds like you're doing the right thing |
| 17:46.43 | Lopeppeppy | I think I am too, malreth, I'm just stressing the responsibility. There's a reason I never had kids, this kind of stuff is stressful! |
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| 17:49.01 | Lunessa | I don't want to have kids any time soon. I just want lots of practice making them. |
| 17:50.43 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: well, as long as she can't chew on the wound and it's kept treated she should be fine. additionally, you can take her temperature (FUN) to keep track of any infections that might spring up |
| 17:51.12 | malreth | but kitties (and most living creatures) are pretty resilient |
| 17:51.14 | Lopeppeppy | She's got antibiotics for just in case, since it's such a huge wound. :) Giving her those is FUN, and may have resulted in stitch ripping. |
| 17:51.15 | Aqua | You can do layers for frames in lua correct? |
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| 17:51.30 | Lopeppeppy | Mmm, lunessa, that would help with the stress too... |
| 17:52.26 | Aqua | or better question, Anyone have an example of how to create a frame entirely in lua |
| 17:52.37 | Aqua | with headers, etc |
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| 17:56.42 | foxlit | Clearly someone needs to write some XSLT. |
| 17:56.52 | Lopeppeppy | Is that dangerous? |
| 17:57.01 | foxlit | Very. |
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| 17:57.50 | foxlit | Hm. I recall there being a website that collects and presents popular spec/gear/glyph data from the armory. |
| 17:59.33 | foxlit | What I do not remember is its name. |
| 18:00.34 | Lopeppeppy | Oh... er... hmm. |
| 18:00.52 | Lopeppeppy | www.wowpopular.com |
| 18:03.24 | foxlit | I wonder how recent that data is. |
| 18:03.33 | Shirik__ | Lopeppeppy is #1 on wowpopular.com |
| 18:05.24 | Lopeppeppy | ? |
| 18:05.24 | Shirik__ | :( |
| 18:05.32 | Lopeppeppy | You can search by name? I didn't see that feature, that's neat. |
| 18:05.38 | Shirik__ | ... |
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| 18:05.50 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 18:06.00 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe I am missing something. I have some stress, it makes me dense. |
| 18:06.20 | nevcairiel | he was just trying to be nice, is all. |
| 18:06.37 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. Dense Peppy is dense. |
| 18:06.40 | Lopeppeppy | glomps Shirik. |
| 18:08.17 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet, my package still hasn't left Arizona. What is this, a UPS black hole? |
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| 18:13.51 | alestane | Well, at least runnign back through Strat an Orb of Deception has dropped. |
| 18:14.07 | foxlit | Hm, this needs a "what do people like (me) typically choose?" filtering option |
| 18:15.05 | Lopeppeppy | Orbs are fun toys! |
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| 18:15.19 | Lopeppeppy | foxlit, we normally go for option b |
| 18:15.34 | foxlit | Are you sure? Because I usually go for option w. |
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| 18:15.46 | augustl | it's official: farming titanium sucks |
| 18:15.46 | sacarasc | Orb of Deception in Strat? I thought they were only in the arena outside Dire Maul? |
| 18:15.58 | foxlit | Nah, it's a world drop |
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| 18:16.05 | augustl | sacarasc: I had it drop from cultists in Silithus |
| 18:16.11 | alestane | When extremely rare blue items drop I don't ask questions. |
| 18:16.14 | foxlit | DM arena is just a focal point. |
| 18:16.24 | augustl | and a yeti in winterspring |
| 18:16.36 | augustl | I think it only drops from lvl60-ish mobs, though? |
| 18:16.49 | augustl | you won't get one from boars in durotar =P |
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| 18:20.57 | durcyn | yeah, 55-60 azeroth only etc |
| 18:21.24 | Lopeppeppy | Which mostly meant Dire Maul, Strat and Scholo "back in the day" |
| 18:21.32 | augustl | anything that drops runecloth? |
| 18:21.40 | durcyn | i picked one up in zul'gurub, i think |
| 18:21.45 | augustl | oh no, level 60-ish mobs in outlands drops runecloth |
| 18:21.46 | Lunessa | I got mine in zangermarsh. |
| 18:21.54 | Lopeppeppy | Huh. Neat! |
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| 18:22.06 | augustl | you already know where I lost both rolls to the ones I've found |
| 18:25.40 | foxlit | I like how you can't get marked AFK while on a gryphon |
| 18:26.00 | zenzelezz | but you get marked as soon as you touch down... |
| 18:26.05 | Lopeppeppy | *nod* |
| 18:26.34 | zenzelezz | I always wondered if the timer started when you're in the air and the message was delayed, or if the timer starts when you touch down |
| 18:26.49 | NeoTron | probbly because some flight paths in the old world used to knock you offline because they took so long |
| 18:27.06 | NeoTron | when they added the auto-connecting of flights at least |
| 18:27.24 | zenzelezz | that doesn't seem to make sense to me, the longest I remember (Winterspring -> SIlithus) were only about 15 minutes |
| 18:28.20 | Lunessa | In 2005 when server queues were long the idle time-out was set very very low |
| 18:28.24 | augustl | what would be awesome: an overlay of vein positions based on wowhead maps such as http://www.wowhead.com/?object=191133 |
| 18:28.25 | NeoTron | I thought a shorter flight was about that - auberdine to tanaris or so |
| 18:28.25 | foxlit | eep |
| 18:28.28 | Lopeppeppy | The game client just freaked and dc'd you on long flights, I remember having to manually be there, go to one FP, choose the next, etc. |
| 18:28.29 | foxlit | > UnitGUID("player") |
| 18:28.41 | foxlit | ... nevermind. |
| 18:29.14 | NeoTron | augustl: you mean.. like gatherer/gathermate? :P |
| 18:29.22 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 18:29.25 | augustl | NeoTron: well, you have to find the veins first |
| 18:29.35 | Lopeppeppy | No, you don't, you can download databases. |
| 18:29.35 | augustl | it would be nice if they used the data that exists already |
| 18:29.44 | NeoTron | or just use GatherMate_data or whatever it's called |
| 18:29.47 | Lopeppeppy | You can share with guild mates, get all their info. |
| 18:29.52 | augustl | also, last time I used one of those, it didn't know that eternium veins uses the same spawn points as adamantite veins |
| 18:30.14 | durcyn | gathermate_data scrapes wowhead and populates the database for you. |
| 18:30.22 | durcyn | i fail to see what the problem is |
| 18:30.39 | augustl | that 1 year ago, it didn't know that eternium and adamantite shares spawn points :) |
| 18:30.48 | NeoTron | but you do |
| 18:30.50 | Lopeppeppy | ** 1 year ago ** isn't today. |
| 18:31.00 | augustl | it was like that 2 years ago as well. And 3 years ago! |
| 18:31.08 | augustl | perhaps I'll try one of them again, though, wouldn't hurt |
| 18:31.17 | NeoTron | just make a route with Routes that includes more than one type of ore |
| 18:31.29 | NeoTron | it's exaclty what you said you wanted so.. yeah perhaps you should |
| 18:33.23 | augustl | hah you're right, I'm talking shit |
| 18:33.39 | augustl | time to prove myself wrong! |
| 18:35.38 | augustl | is gathermate sensible? No screenshot =/ |
| 18:36.03 | KarlKFI | lol |
| 18:36.10 | Lopeppeppy | "sensible" ? |
| 18:36.12 | KarlKFI | it's a data plugin for gatherer |
| 18:36.19 | foxlit | It's cra-zee. |
| 18:36.27 | augustl | so gathermate depends on gatherer? |
| 18:36.38 | KarlKFI | doesn't it say that? |
| 18:36.41 | Lopeppeppy | I didn't think so... |
| 18:36.43 | augustl | nope |
| 18:36.56 | augustl | "Collects Herbs, Mines, Gas Clounds an Fishing locations and adds them to the worldmap and minimap" |
| 18:37.17 | KarlKFI | oh right, my bad |
| 18:37.22 | KarlKFI | was thinkign of a different mod |
| 18:37.39 | augustl | it's not like the manual install button on curse works, though =P |
| 18:37.41 | Kraps | you guys heard about wcradio not being allowed to broadcast the blizzcon panels? |
| 18:37.43 | augustl | I'm such a whiner today |
| 18:37.51 | augustl | s/ today// |
| 18:37.58 | foxlit | Kraps: no, but it's not very surprising. |
| 18:38.03 | KarlKFI | GatherMate_Data is a plugin for GatherMate |
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| 18:38.40 | augustl | does the curse download button work for you people? Nothing happens on Chrome/windows |
| 18:39.07 | sacarasc | Maybe because it's flash or something? |
| 18:39.30 | augustl | yeah, it worked yesterday, though |
| 18:40.06 | Kraps | foxlit: the rub is that they were only told this now, after they raised $4000 for new equipment to use at BC |
| 18:40.06 | augustl | there's a "select one of the mirrors below" link that doesn't work, too |
| 18:40.16 | Lopeppeppy | Try another browser. |
| 18:40.26 | augustl | c. b. a. |
| 18:40.36 | Lopeppeppy | Kraps, they shoudld have asked permission first, before spending $. |
| 18:40.37 | foxlit | Kraps: Still not surprised. |
| 18:40.59 | augustl | "The only way to control your content is to be the best provider of it." Perhaps I should use wowmatrix >< |
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| 18:41.47 | Cide | NSFW: http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=y&u=http://www.vg.no/nyheter/utenriks/artikkel.php%3Fartid%3D556703&sl=no&tl=en&history_state0= |
| 18:41.52 | nicoli_s | you think wowmatrix is the best provider? because they serve old versions of addons and have done countless despicable things in the past that did nothing but cause problems? |
| 18:42.18 | _rane | Cide: you consider text NSFW? wow |
| 18:42.20 | augustl | I haven't used it myself, all I know is that a bunch of guildies have told me it's superior |
| 18:42.22 | _rane | just wow |
| 18:42.36 | Lopeppeppy | Text can be very NSFW. He's being careful for those of us with hyper HR policies. |
| 18:42.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Superior in the sense that AIDS is a superior virus, yes |
| 18:42.50 | Cide | _rane: uhhh |
| 18:42.58 | Cide | see what Lopeppeppy said |
| 18:43.11 | Kraps | Lopeppeppy: they claim that they had asked a while ago and got no response |
| 18:43.20 | Lopeppeppy | No response isn't permission. :) |
| 18:43.25 | Cide | the fact that you can't even begin to understand that makes me think you're either ~14 or dumb |
| 18:43.36 | augustl | I should troll less, since noone seems to be concerned when I say that the download button doesn't work on curse |
| 18:43.38 | Cide | or unable to keep a job |
| 18:43.45 | ScytheBlade1 | whoo tf2: http://www.teamfortress.com/classless/hidden/hats/ |
| 18:43.47 | foxlit | Your HR would have to be pretty self-contradicting to allow you to be on IRC but whine at you for reading certain words on the net :) |
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| 18:44.02 | _rane | nah, we surf on 4chan at work |
| 18:44.10 | Cide | foxlit: web history is easier to scan :P |
| 18:44.26 | _rane | but yeah, nsfw text 8-D |
| 18:44.29 | _rane | rofl |
| 18:44.35 | Lopeppeppy | IRC is one thing, porn is another. |
| 18:44.40 | Cide | what's funny about that? |
| 18:44.44 | foxlit | In for a penny, in for a pound, Cide :) |
| 18:45.35 | alestane | There, Baron is DEAD. |
| 18:45.40 | Lopeppeppy | Yay! |
| 18:45.51 | Kraps | Oralsex |
| 18:45.55 | alestane | And after all he did for me, too. |
| 18:46.03 | Lopeppeppy | Got you an orbs, he did. |
| 18:46.31 | alestane | And Valor Legplates if I ever want them. |
| 18:46.39 | Lunessa | Cide: Funny stuff - translation artifacts make it even funnier. |
| 18:46.52 | Kraps | she had oral sex with 18 people? WAT |
| 18:46.53 | Cide | which artifacts? |
| 18:47.09 | Cide | just grammar ones |
| 18:47.18 | Cide | none actually changed the meaning |
| 18:47.20 | augustl | oh gosh.. obviously, GatherMate renders "Rich Saronite Deposit", "Saronite Deposit" and "Titanium Vein" on all spawn locations, since they have the same spawn locatians. |
| 18:47.29 | augustl | seems like I'll have to live with that problem, then =P |
| 18:47.30 | Lunessa | Grammar mostly - it comes out quite funny for a native speaker. |
| 18:47.36 | Cide | yeah, that I noticed |
| 18:47.55 | Cide | was thinking maybe you thought "18 people" was a grammar artifact or something since it's such a ridiculous number |
| 18:48.07 | Cide | but I agree (I read the text in norwegian at first) |
| 18:48.19 | Lunessa | augustl: The download button is working for me in both Chrome and Firefox - therefore, the issue is on your machine, not the site. |
| 18:49.02 | Lunessa | Cide: I've read and had recounted multiple stories of persons who had to have stomach pumps for the same reason. |
| 18:49.16 | augustl | Lunessa: tnx |
| 18:49.25 | Lunessa | Working with people in the medical field = priceless stories. |
| 18:49.29 | Cide | Lunessa: no first-hand experience, surely? |
| 18:49.42 | Lunessa | Not my bag, seriously. |
| 18:50.48 | augustl | for what it's worth, sorry for all the whining. |
| 18:51.02 | Lopeppeppy | I worked at colleges. I've had them drink glowsticks, for the love of cats. They'll eat anything, they're worse than dogs. |
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| 18:51.16 | nicoli_s | its true, kitties will eat crazy shit |
| 18:51.24 | Lopeppeppy | No. Teenagers, nicoli_s. :) |
| 18:51.27 | nicoli_s | oh you meant college kids :P |
| 18:51.39 | Lopeppeppy | They poison themselves so creatively. |
| 18:52.08 | nicoli_s | theres this awesome skit for that show human giant about this gas station with a giveaway where if you can drink a gallon of gas they will fill your car up |
| 18:52.22 | nicoli_s | and theres this one guy practicing by drinking poisons and shit to get his tolerance up |
| 18:52.32 | nicoli_s | http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/23bd6f8f4f/human-giant-gas-guzzlers-w-fred-armisen-from-human-giant |
| 18:54.46 | nicoli_s | its pretty damn hilarious imho |
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| 19:09.03 | augustl | that's odd. Gathermate removes e.g. a "titanium" entry from it's database if I mine a saronite node at that titanium nodes coordinates (which happens from time to time, since they have many common spawn locations) |
| 19:09.16 | augustl | am I whining again now? Feel free to hit me. |
| 19:09.31 | durcyn | shared spawn locations, iirc |
| 19:09.50 | augustl | yeah, but it's kind of strange that the titanium entry is removed |
| 19:10.09 | Lopeppeppy | Makes sense to me. The spawn is overwritten by the newest information. |
| 19:10.17 | augustl | afaik there are certain spawn locations that are titanium only. So, I'm only looking for titanium, and I have a filter on that only displays titanium nodes |
| 19:10.19 | augustl | so that's the problem |
| 19:10.41 | augustl | when I mine a saronite node, I'll no longer see the node, because it was removed as titanium, and I have titanium only in my filter |
| 19:10.43 | Lopeppeppy | I *could* be the problem. I dunno the code, I'm just guessing that's what happens. One item per location. |
| 19:10.51 | augustl | yeah, that sounds sensible |
| 19:11.15 | augustl | I might be wrong, too. I don't know for sure that titanium have a few spawn locations that are titanium only |
| 19:12.04 | augustl | if that's not the case, my titanium only filter is pointless |
| 19:12.06 | Mikk | So, my dad just had an amazing theory |
| 19:12.12 | Mikk | All electronic equipment contains smoke |
| 19:12.21 | Mikk | And the key to keeping it working is keeping the smoke contained |
| 19:12.24 | Lopeppeppy | Magic Smoke Theory!! |
| 19:12.28 | Mikk | Because as soon as the smoke gets out, the bugger stops working |
| 19:12.33 | End | I've heard that theory before :P |
| 19:12.39 | Lopeppeppy | Is a popular theory. |
| 19:12.43 | End | truth |
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| 19:17.47 | alestane | Then the Magic Smoke gets out, that's *bad*. |
| 19:18.01 | Lopeppeppy | Very bad |
| 19:18.48 | nicoli_s | yer supposed to keep the magic smoke in.....yer lungs |
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| 19:29.58 | tem | omfg the unpossible has happened |
| 19:30.08 | tem | a large company had good customer service |
| 19:30.20 | tem | and I'm completely satisfied with my interaction with them |
| 19:31.18 | NeoTron | comcast? verizon? don't hold out! |
| 19:31.29 | augustl | was it apple? It was, wasn't it? |
| 19:31.31 | NeoTron | AT&T? :) |
| 19:31.33 | Zyndrome | you just had loopback sound in your telephone, or mailed to yourself ;< |
| 19:32.38 | tem | Cox |
| 19:32.50 | tem | AT&T doesn't know WTF customer service is |
| 19:33.12 | tem | they wouldn't know it if it fucked them in the ass twice a week and came in their face |
| 19:33.30 | durcyn | at&t's customer service fucks them far more often than that |
| 19:33.40 | tem | touche |
| 19:33.55 | tem | NeoTron, my modem went out for my internet last night |
| 19:34.00 | tem | it was 4 years old |
| 19:34.03 | tem | so it gave out |
| 19:34.26 | tem | I called up cox and said I needed to replace my modem, they agreed and told me how I could order one or pick one up in town |
| 19:34.34 | nicoli_s | im lucky i havent had any at&t problems yet |
| 19:34.43 | nicoli_s | their phone service is so cheap and good here |
| 19:34.46 | tem | I asked what the advantage was to buying it from them over going to best buy or ordering it from newegg or something |
| 19:35.13 | tem | She happily offered that unless Cox's price was better, there wasn't any real benefit from buying it from them |
| 19:35.24 | tem | so I hung up and did a little shopping around |
| 19:36.29 | foxlit | bought more valve t-shirts. |
| 19:36.36 | tem | (oh, and I got the price from them:$30 w/ 40% discount on normal price because I had bought my previous modem from them 5 years ago) |
| 19:36.51 | tem | I could not find a similar modem for equivilent price |
| 19:37.03 | nevcairiel | cable or dsl modem? |
| 19:37.09 | tem | cable |
| 19:37.21 | tem | so I went over there and picked it up, they'll bill me on my next statement and now I have working internet |
| 19:38.05 | augustl | why is AddMessage (on ScrollingMessageFrame) implemented in C? |
| 19:38.19 | tem | Why wouldn't it be in C? |
| 19:38.24 | tem | ALL frame methods are in C |
| 19:38.34 | augustl | does it have something to do with memory and stuff? Afaik you can't unallocate fontstrings and frames and such, so in order to avoid a memory leak it has to be in C? |
| 19:38.36 | tem | Everyone was very nice, and I only had to yell at the automated tech support thing for about 30 seconds before it gave me a live person last night |
| 19:38.40 | augustl | tem: oh, I see |
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| 19:38.51 | Lopeppeppy | Tem, I bought my modem at Best Buy, was very nice. |
| 19:39.13 | tem | augustl, also, the font strikes the SMF uses aren't exposed to lua |
| 19:39.28 | tem | s/strikes/strings/ |
| 19:39.35 | augustl | ah |
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| 19:43.28 | foxlit | You /could/ implement SMF with 1 fontstring, a paperclip and 30 liters of gasoline. |
| 19:43.49 | augustl | lol |
| 19:46.40 | foxlit | Testing Blog - "If it ain't broke, you aren't trying hard enough" |
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| 19:47.31 | Lopeppeppy | brokes some stuff. Whee! |
| 19:51.49 | Lunessa | making DVDs for people who can't figure out how to drag and drop a file. Oh joy. |
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| 19:55.42 | Lopeppeppy | It drives me nuts to teach the Grand Boss how to do that, over and over again. "Don't I need a fancy program?" um... no... |
| 19:56.48 | durcyn | I hope you're only using the word Grand in the organization sense there. |
| 19:57.14 | Lunessa | Well, to be honest they wanted to turn a MWV file into a DVD that would play on a standard DVD player. |
| 19:57.22 | Lopeppeppy | Yes. Boss, Grand Boss (his boss), Uncle Boss (another boss level with my boss) |
| 19:57.45 | Lunessa | But their computer includes the software to do it, they just... couldn't. |
| 19:57.46 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, that's a tiny bit more complicated, Lunessa. At least it wasn't "omg I can't copy/paste" drama. |
| 19:58.03 | durcyn | Lunessa: doesn't Shitty Movie Maker have a 'burn me' button plastered onto it? |
| 19:58.35 | Lunessa | It does... and we also include Roxio in our image for faculty machines... |
| 19:59.06 | Lunessa | So I was baffled about why they kept complaining that "all we get is an error" |
| 19:59.21 | durcyn | this is why i carry a Cluebat |
| 19:59.39 | Lunessa | It turns out - they weren't copying the file of a CD first before griping about it. |
| 19:59.54 | Lunessa | off of, |
| 20:00.37 | Lopeppeppy | Ah, no wonder they had an error. |
| 20:01.59 | foxlit | Fisker: no HDTV for you. |
| 20:06.29 | Lopeppeppy | Canceled. |
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| 20:13.26 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19110028005&sid=1 |
| 20:14.47 | Lopeppeppy | aww, he has a brown snake in the snow!! |
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| 20:31.01 | foxlit | That is one awesome chat pane |
| 20:31.43 | Lunessa | It reminds me of the girl. |
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| 20:36.34 | foxlit | # We're just a million little gods causin' rain storms turnin' every good thing to rust. |
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| 20:44.28 | Aqua | Anyone have a suggestions for this problem: Move X number of Files from a main folder to a new folder, Create a new Folder and move X more files |
| 20:45.03 | Aqua | its like they want for (i = 0, i < 2000, i++) move *.fileextension |
| 20:46.19 | foxlit | Why don't you just rename the folder? |
| 20:46.46 | Aqua | it has like 140,000 txt files in it |
| 20:46.47 | Aqua | and they want multiple folders with like 2000 files eac |
| 20:46.57 | Cloudwolf | who is they? |
| 20:47.19 | Aqua | my friends mom, she took like tons and tons of pictures and put them all in one folder |
| 20:47.33 | Aqua | and she expects me to sort through 1tb of phots and sort them into small folders |
| 20:47.44 | Cloudwolf | then get to it |
| 20:47.51 | Cloudwolf | cus just randomly putting them in smaller folders prolly won't help |
| 20:48.01 | Cloudwolf | as for me i like to have them organized |
| 20:48.18 | Aqua | well, randomly is actually okay, her photo software is just freaking out with that many files in one folder |
| 20:48.32 | Aqua | it takes forever to load it |
| 20:49.47 | Aqua | i was gonna try it with a batch file but i can't think of how to do it with one |
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| 20:56.20 | Dewin | Hmm.. does changing tracking types require a hardware event? |
| 20:56.38 | foxlit | Dewin: probably not. |
| 20:56.48 | foxlit | ToC is clearly stacked against druids :/ |
| 20:57.13 | Dewin | I occasionally track mailboxes or trainers or something and sometimes forget to change back to find minerals later, would be nice to have something that did automagically |
| 20:57.23 | Shirik__ | It's raining men |
| 20:58.45 | Lunessa | Aqua - Make it easy on yourself - just make the folders as sub-folders first, them move X number of files into the sub folder. Make it even easier, select them by date created. |
| 20:59.04 | krka | even easier, make a script for it |
| 20:59.08 | Aqua | thats what i was gonna do Lunessa, because you can tell what pictures belong in what folders |
| 20:59.30 | Aqua | everything taken on one day, goes into a folder |
| 21:03.04 | foxlit | They clearly need to customize /mourn for healer classes. |
| 21:03.21 | foxlit | Or alive targets, in general. |
| 21:03.22 | foxlit | "/me mourns the impending death of %t." |
| 21:03.41 | Lunessa | Clearly the bawling sounds do not equate to quiet contemplation. |
| 21:04.10 | Lunessa | And for the version foxlit proposes, it should include the cackling luaghter. |
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| 21:17.41 | durcyn | Aqua: ls -1 | while read i; do mv -v $i `stat -c %y $i|cut -d' ' -f1`;done |
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| 21:18.29 | durcyn | with a `rename ' ' _ *` or two beforehand to save space delimier headaches |
| 21:18.37 | durcyn | delimiter even |
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| 21:37.35 | Lopeppeppy | What an odd little quiz! http://www.nytimes.com//interactive/2009/08/11/science/20090811-NAMING-QUIZ.html (SFW, but has sound files) |
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| 21:50.15 | Shadowed | Anyone played with the specific mechanics for how the client internally gets a unitid from name? |
| 21:50.34 | Shadowed | it looks like it will always pick a player over a non-player and after that it will go by lowest health |
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| 21:58.36 | KarlKFI | really? |
| 21:58.40 | KarlKFI | that's hax |
| 21:58.55 | KarlKFI | so you can just macro target and it will pick the lowest hp? |
| 21:59.39 | Kalroth | like target like chain heal! |
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| 22:00.16 | Lopeppeppy | I know you can't do that, Karl, so something else is weird instead. |
| 22:01.32 | Lunessa | Shadowed: The came can do stuff with GID that we can't - I'm betting there's an array somewhere of names/GID that the client knows about. |
| 22:02.13 | Shadowed | Lunessa wah |
| 22:02.21 | Shadowed | oh right |
| 22:02.44 | Shadowed | I know theres a list of it, but it has to prioritize the name somehow (I would imagine) due to pets or vehicles with the same name |
| 22:02.45 | Kalroth | interesting that it either sorts by health or searches by health |
| 22:03.06 | Shadowed | I tested quickly in SoTA and it was picking the vehicles with the lowest health |
| 22:03.16 | Shadowed | and again with myself/pet with the same name and no matter health it picked the player |
| 22:03.25 | Lunessa | Shadowed: I'm sure it's doing things with a unique id like the GID - which again, we can't do. |
| 22:03.36 | Shadowed | ~lart Lunessa |
| 22:03.36 | purl | slaps Lunessa upside the head with a wet fish |
| 22:03.50 | Lunessa | mmmm... fish |
| 22:04.12 | Kalroth | Shadowed knows that the client does things internally, I think he was asking if anyone else has had the same experience :p |
| 22:04.14 | Shadowed | Lunessa I'm wondering if others have noticed this so I know it's consistent with my tests :p |
| 22:04.23 | Kraps | the tail of the "rogue" haircut shakes now |
| 22:04.32 | Shadowed | so I know that I can rely on say, Foo always refering to Foo the player not Foo the pet |
| 22:04.48 | Lunessa | I think it's just the massive quantities of drugs, porn, and computer manuals making you think that. |
| 22:05.31 | Kalroth | Shadowed: Well it makes sense, since it probably has seperate lists for players, pets, npcs |
| 22:05.31 | Lunessa | Oh wait... that's me. |
| 22:05.31 | Lopeppeppy | People deliberately name their pets the same as players, to mess with taht... |
| 22:05.31 | Shadowed | yea it would |
| 22:05.31 | Shadowed | oh wait |
| 22:05.33 | Shadowed | Back in uh, 2.4 or 3.0 I think they made it so /target prioritized players over pets? |
| 22:05.43 | Shadowed | and I bet it uses the same mechanic so that would probably explain it |
| 22:06.09 | Lopeppeppy | Coulds be that, ya. |
| 22:06.23 | Lopeppeppy | Maybe the player/pet thing I'm remembering was for screwing with meters. |
| 22:06.40 | Shadowed | it was for screwing with arena mods that had to use /target to target people, but since we have unitids now it doesn't matter |
| 22:06.52 | Shadowed | Although, you generally named it after your healer not yourself |
| 22:07.09 | Lunessa | People did it to screw with targeting by tab-targeting lazy people in Arena/PvP |
| 22:07.32 | Lopeppeppy | I remember people naming their pets after their tanks in raids, to screw with meters of "X did X damage", "X was healed for X" |
| 22:07.41 | Shadowed | yea that too |
| 22:07.57 | Kalroth | "Targeting using /target will prefer live targets over dead ones." = 2.4.3 |
| 22:08.13 | Lunessa | Haha, we had a hunter in on of my guilds that named his pets after officers - so he could say "So then Lunessa died" etc. |
| 22:08.28 | Kalroth | also I don't recall this: "Added the following macro commands: /targetenemyplayer, /targetfriendplayer. " |
| 22:08.29 | Shadowed | yea I didn't see anything that prioritized players over pets, might be imagining it |
| 22:08.34 | Kalroth | I guess it's rarely used :p |
| 22:08.34 | Adys | "Kalroth is no longer into necrophilia." = ??? |
| 22:09.08 | Shadowed | third strike rules hurt him Adys |
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| 22:10.32 | Kalroth | "Conditional macros with multiple targets will use the appropriate context sensitive target for visual range feedback. " |
| 22:10.33 | Kalroth | huh |
| 22:11.02 | Adys | he says you smell |
| 22:11.38 | Shadowed | means that if you have [target=mouseover] Nourish; [target=target] Nourish; and mouseover is OOR it will use target |
| 22:11.38 | Shadowed | I'd imagine |
| 22:12.05 | Kalroth | Ah yeah, mouseover makes sense |
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| 22:22.05 | Zhinjio | anyone a GL that wouldn't mind a few questions about an addon I'm working on. PM me plx |
| 22:22.55 | alestane | No, it means that it'll show you that the mouseover is out of range, since that's what the macro is trying to cast on. |
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| 22:23.54 | cbreak | exists |
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| 22:27.05 | Lunessa | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/google_opt_out_feature_lets_users |
| 22:29.06 | NightHawkTheSan1 | is it sad that i find that /almost/ attractive? |
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| 22:35.39 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSan1: Yeah, but we know all about you and those sheep... |
| 22:35.51 | Lunessa | Zhinjio: GL = Guild Leader? |
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| 22:38.14 | cbreak | graphic layer |
| 22:39.09 | mikma | gay lover |
| 22:39.27 | Lunessa | good looking |
| 22:41.56 | Zhinjio | Lunessa: yup |
| 22:42.25 | Zhinjio | I suppose I should have been more exact *grin* |
| 22:43.39 | nooga | why there is no addon that queues actions? is it technically impossible to place a layer between user click or hotkey and triggering an action? |
| 22:43.56 | mikma | nooga: ... |
| 22:44.14 | Zhinjio | its impossible during combat, but... uh, why would you want to? |
| 22:44.17 | mikma | you wanna go and google wow secure api |
| 22:44.29 | Lunessa | Oh it's all 2006 up in here. |
| 22:44.31 | nooga | as i thought |
| 22:44.36 | mikma | its always impossible |
| 22:44.44 | mikma | all the actions require keybind |
| 22:44.57 | nooga | i was asking just out of curiosity |
| 22:45.12 | smoke_ | how do i find the spellid of a debuff? |
| 22:45.21 | smoke_ | i tried using wowhead but i can't find the slowdebuff |
| 22:45.40 | mikma | smoke_: umm, what? |
| 22:46.00 | smoke_ | mikma, i'm trying to find the spellid of the slowdebuff |
| 22:46.04 | smoke_ | but wowhead.com isnt working |
| 22:46.06 | kd3 | http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=31589 |
| 22:46.12 | mikma | what's "slowdebuff"? |
| 22:46.30 | smoke_ | yeah 31589 isnt the correct debuff idk why |
| 22:46.47 | mikma | thats because you suck at explaining |
| 22:47.01 | mikma | the game has prolly 20 different "slowdebuffs" |
| 22:47.40 | nooga | mikma: what about UseAction() ? |
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| 22:48.03 | kd3 | nooga; protected. we can't call it |
| 22:48.10 | nooga | oh |
| 22:48.12 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UseAction |
| 22:48.20 | nooga | just read that |
| 22:48.28 | nooga | then why it's in API documentation? |
| 22:48.38 | cbreak | it's API... |
| 22:48.40 | kd3 | even if we can't call it it's still useful to know how it works |
| 22:48.41 | Lopeppeppy | Because it exists. |
| 22:49.17 | smoke_ | sorry, but yeah, i usually use wowhead and use the spellid number in the url, but i checked several entries for "slow" and none of them match up to the "arcane mage" debuff of slow |
| 22:49.18 | mikma | smoke_: http://db.mmo-champion.com/search/spell/slow/ hazve fun |
| 22:49.38 | kd3 | the one I linked is what mages cast |
| 22:50.06 | nooga | weird API then |
| 22:50.22 | kd3 | a lot of things have changed from wow release to now |
| 22:50.24 | mikma | kd3: its the spell yes, not the debuff |
| 22:50.36 | nooga | "oh, yes, this function exists but you can't call it, it's just for internal use, have fun" |
| 22:50.50 | Lopeppeppy | It's still useful to know what it is and what it does, even if you can't touch it. |
| 22:50.53 | Buuyo | There's a lot of legacy stuff in there. and who knows if one day it can be used. No use throwing away the knowledge on the basis of "we can't use it righ tnow." |
| 22:50.54 | kd3 | ^ |
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| 22:51.06 | nooga | i can't imagine why internal stuff is even worth mentioning |
| 22:51.09 | NightHawkTheSan1 | nooga: it used to be callable, they changed it. it still exists in the api. get over it, its not a big deal |
| 22:51.11 | alestane | Oh boy, a Suede Cloak of Fire Protection. |
| 22:51.23 | nooga | NightHawkTheSan1: that changes everything |
| 22:51.29 | NightHawkTheSan1 | no, not really |
| 22:51.32 | Aps|MR | Can someone help me with a mount macro from wowwiki... /run g,f={G,G,G},{F,F,F};z={["Dalaran"]=g,["Wintergrasp"]=g,["Krasus' Landing"]=f};f=z[GetSubZoneText()]or z[GetZoneText()]or(IsFlyableArea()and f)or g;z=(IsMounted()or CallCompanion("MOUNT",f[random(#f)]))and IsFlying()or Dismount() |
| 22:51.33 | Lopeppeppy | Not at all, really |
| 22:51.50 | nooga | erm |
| 22:51.52 | kd3 | aps; the zone bit isn't necessary any more. [flyable] works properly everywhere |
| 22:51.53 | Aps|MR | Says "You aren't in a party" 3 times |
| 22:52.15 | mikma | aps|mr: sure! /cast [flyable] myflyingmount; mylandingmount |
| 22:52.43 | Aps|MR | mikma: does that macro prevent me from dismounting while in the air? |
| 22:52.54 | foxlit | it could. |
| 22:52.56 | cbreak | there's an option for it |
| 22:52.57 | foxlit | If you wanted to. |
| 22:53.00 | cbreak | in the interface settings |
| 22:53.06 | mikma | oh |
| 22:53.19 | foxlit | you could also add [noflying] |
| 22:53.21 | Kraps | was rend buffed recently? |
| 22:53.37 | mikma | aps|mr: sure! /cast [flyable,noflying] myflyingmount; [noflyable] mylandingmount |
| 22:53.43 | mikma | that should do it? |
| 22:53.55 | nooga | how about SecureActionButtonTemplate ? |
| 22:54.12 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Aps|MR: .. do you usually have issues with doing stupid things while flying? :P |
| 22:54.15 | foxlit | how about it? |
| 22:54.15 | nooga | could i use it to execute a sequence of spells? |
| 22:54.18 | mikma | nooga: used to create secure buttons |
| 22:54.28 | kd3 | points at /castsequence |
| 22:54.37 | Aps|MR | ok, i'll try that, one last thing, if i wanted to select from 2 or 3 random mounts? |
| 22:54.41 | NightHawkTheSan1 | nooga: lets put this very clearly: you cannot automate your ability usage. period. |
| 22:54.59 | foxlit | /castrandom |
| 22:55.02 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.05 | nooga | ahm |
| 22:55.13 | nooga | understood |
| 22:55.17 | foxlit | (actually, the /run macros still make sense there) |
| 22:55.27 | foxlit | (since IDs generally fill much less than names) |
| 22:55.33 | Aps|MR | NIghtHawkTheSan1: not really, but better to be safe |
| 22:55.59 | Aps|MR | Thanks, will try that kd3 |
| 22:56.06 | NightHawkTheSan1 | *shrug* i just find it easier to not hiit my mount button when i dont want to mount/dismount ;) |
| 22:56.22 | foxlit | <smug>I just hit flight form again.</smug> |
| 22:56.30 | NightHawkTheSan1 | ~lart foxlit |
| 22:56.30 | purl | beats the living hamstercrap out of foxlit |
| 22:56.34 | kd3 | blink <3 |
| 22:56.43 | foxlit | It's awesome for when you need to drop altitude fast. |
| 22:56.45 | mikma | aps|mr: reason why you dont need that horrible script is that blizz "fixed" flyable in dala |
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| 22:57.15 | kd3 | we've only been complaining about it since beta. so that's a bit faster turnaround than usual... >.> |
| 22:57.19 | NightHawkTheSan1 | yeah, playing chicken with the ground is a great past-time |
| 22:57.35 | Aps|MR | quick tech question, why isn't a semicolon needed at the last line? |
| 22:57.42 | NightHawkTheSan1 | kd3: now, if only they can fix wg flagging you when you fly -over & past- it |
| 22:57.50 | foxlit | It's the variable-height ceiling above northrend that I despise. |
| 22:57.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Aps|MR: because the lua interperter isn't stupid |
| 22:57.54 | kd3 | because you don't have to use semicolons in lua |
| 22:58.00 | NightHawkTheSan1 | foxlit: that also pisses me off. |
| 22:58.21 | Aps|MR | but you still need it between lines, right? |
| 22:58.31 | foxlit | In most cases, no, you do not. |
| 22:58.38 | kd3 | depends on how much crap you're trying to stuff into 254 characters |
| 22:58.40 | mikma | actually... |
| 22:58.50 | mikma | lua can be stupid if you are stupid! |
| 22:58.55 | foxlit | There are some rather silly restrictions, but most of the time you can get away with not using semicolons. |
| 22:58.58 | mikma | it doesnt eliminate user errors |
| 22:59.05 | alestane | The Lua semicolon is very nearly a form of whitespace. |
| 22:59.49 | mikma | wo usually messes up if you create a long /script and dont use semicolons to indicate new lines |
| 22:59.57 | mikma | but in .lua file you dont need em |
| 23:00.26 | kd3 | thus my earlier line |
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| 23:00.50 | mikma | lua> for i=1,e do print(i) print(i..i) print(i..i..i) end |
| 23:00.52 | lua_bot | mikma: luabot:1: 'for' limit must be a number |
| 23:00.56 | mikma | whopsie |
| 23:01.02 | mikma | lua> for i=1,3 do print(i) print(i..i) print(i..i..i) end |
| 23:01.04 | lua_bot | mikma: 1, 11, 111, 2, 22, 222, 3, 33, 333 |
| 23:01.17 | mikma | Fn button fail <3 |
| 23:01.22 | Aps|MR | umm, do you need the exact mount name? Read in wowwiki that you could put a number depending on where the mount was, but that new macro still gives me the "You aren't in a party" message |
| 23:02.10 | foxlit | I don't think that message comes from your macro. |
| 23:02.13 | foxlit | At least not directly. |
| 23:02.29 | foxlit | [or at least not from the segment you quoted] |
| 23:02.41 | mikma | tekkub has an addon that spams that message |
| 23:02.52 | mikma | the bearlover havent fixed it |
| 23:02.56 | Aps|MR | this is the macro /castrandom [flyable,noflying] 5,15; |
| 23:02.58 | Aps|MR | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.27 | mikma | sure, if you have spells called "5", "15", etc |
| 23:03.34 | Aps|MR | lol |
| 23:03.56 | tekkub | or maybe I have and just don't want to share |
| 23:04.10 | Aps|MR | ok, I was dumb enough to separate the lines, now its all one line, and now i dont get any messages, will change to mount names |
| 23:04.26 | Aps|MR | btw, lua was being as stupid as i was |
| 23:04.48 | Lunessa | tekkub: You, not share the love? Damned code must be made out of bacon. |
| 23:05.06 | foxlit | So I'm guessing your [blah] defaulted to /party, which whined |
| 23:07.41 | Aps|MR | I guess, thanks everyone, I now have a mount macro!! |
| 23:07.56 | mikma | yells: I am summoning a steed from nightmare! |
| 23:08.04 | ScytheBlade1 | stabs mikma dead |
| 23:08.11 | kd3 | stabs mikma dead |
| 23:09.15 | mikma | yells: I am summoning a deathcharger from my companions-tab! |
| 23:09.18 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19110028260&sid=1 |
| 23:09.27 | Aps|MR | ok, what if I wanted to override the Flying mount for a ground mount with a key modifier, would that be possible? |
| 23:10.13 | ScytheBlade1 | [mod:alt] Ground Mount, [nomod] Flying Mount |
| 23:10.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, see the wowwiki macro guide |
| 23:10.21 | kd3 | make the flying mount line include [nomod] |
| 23:10.22 | Aps|MR | can i do /castsequence [nomodifier] |
| 23:10.32 | ScytheBlade1 | 19:09 < ScytheBlade1> Also, see the wowwiki macro guide |
| 23:10.43 | ScytheBlade1 | !g wowwiki macro guide howto |
| 23:10.43 | batbot | ScytheBlade1: Making a macro - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft <http://www.wowwiki.com/Making_a_macro> |
| 23:10.52 | Aps|MR | ok, thanks |
| 23:11.11 | Aps|MR | Sometimes I get lazy and forget to RTFM! |
| 23:11.33 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 23:11.37 | ScytheBlade1 | It's a pretty decent guide |
| 23:11.49 | foxlit | How much of DM north do I have to kill if I have nothing with me? |
| 23:12.23 | KarlKFI | for what |
| 23:12.27 | mikma | foxlit: trick question is a trick |
| 23:12.31 | foxlit | To get through it. |
| 23:12.38 | foxlit | There are a few locked doors and stuff. |
| 23:13.11 | KarlKFI | all of it? |
| 23:13.39 | KarlKFI | except maybe the first boss |
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| 23:13.58 | Lunessa | foxlit: Kill the first Named Orge for the Inner Door kewy |
| 23:14.22 | Lunessa | You can skip killing anything that doesn't directly aggro on you from there, all the way to the king. |
| 23:14.24 | Arrowmaster | or have lockpicking/blacksmith keys |
| 23:14.48 | Arrowmaster | can you actaully skip the captain without a suit? |
| 23:14.54 | Lunessa | Just need to loot the chest for the Courtyard Key and that's "no killing needed" . |
| 23:15.12 | Lunessa | I think at 80 you can, I just haven't tried. |
| 23:15.15 | mikma | aps|mr: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19110231171&sid=1 |
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| 23:16.06 | Lunessa | I've been doing a LOT of DM North lately for goblin rep. |
| 23:16.07 | foxlit | Hm, yes, turns out I need the inner door key |
| 23:16.41 | augustl | are there any functions that returns which talent tree the current tree of the player leans towards? E.g. a warrior tank being prot, and so on. |
| 23:17.02 | KarlKFI | no, you have to check the tallents |
| 23:17.09 | KarlKFI | btu there's some libs for that |
| 23:17.12 | augustl | guess it is, since the tabs in the dual talent selector is automatically iconized |
| 23:17.19 | augustl | oh, so they don't expose that functionality to the API? |
| 23:17.32 | KarlKFI | the tallents yes |
| 23:17.45 | mikma | !api GetTalent |
| 23:17.46 | lua_bot | Found 4 possible results for 'GetTalent': GetTalentPrereqs, GetTalentTabInfo, GetTalentInfo, GetTalentLink |
| 23:18.06 | KarlKFI | ones that show the most popular tree, no. you have to determine it yourself from the tallents |
| 23:18.23 | mikma | or |
| 23:18.30 | mikma | see how blizz does it! |
| 23:18.31 | foxlit | this smells of untruth. |
| 23:18.49 | KarlKFI | blizz doesn't tell you which tree they are, neh? |
| 23:18.51 | augustl | yeah, trying to find it in the FrameXML stuff now |
| 23:18.59 | durcyn | jnwhiteh_: any plans to display LH on QuestLogDetailFrame? apparently WatchFrame clicks activate it instead of QuestLogFrame now |
| 23:19.07 | augustl | well, I have a prot and an arms spec. And those tabs has a prot and an arms icon, automatically. |
| 23:19.26 | KarlKFI | true |
| 23:19.46 | mikma | doesnt tell you names |
| 23:19.49 | KarlKFI | ^^ |
| 23:19.56 | mikma | just "guesses" as icons in the talent trees |
| 23:20.11 | mikma | but you can use that info |
| 23:21.03 | KarlKFI | anyway the libs i mentioned are more for checking other people's |
| 23:21.11 | KarlKFI | if you jsut want yours that's easy enough |
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| 23:22.05 | foxlit | "-- now let's use our crazy formula to determine which tab is the primary one" |
| 23:22.08 | foxlit | Hey, that's awesome |
| 23:22.31 | foxlit | 3*(midPointsSpent-lowPointsSpent) < 2*(highPointsSpent-lowPointsSpent) |
| 23:22.35 | augustl | blizzard use GetTalentTabInfo(), it seems |
| 23:22.59 | augustl | yeah, they count the amount on items in each tree and perform some magic |
| 23:23.03 | augustl | oh hey, foxlit pasted the magic! |
| 23:23.34 | augustl | kind of odd that they don't wrap that in a GetTalentSomething() function |
| 23:23.52 | foxlit | Good. They're learning; ever so slowly |
| 23:24.07 | foxlit | It's not wrapped because there's no good reason to wrap it. |
| 23:24.29 | augustl | I need it, isn't that a super-good reason? :) |
| 23:24.39 | foxlit | And hey, this means that you can look up why this maddened thing assigns "Hybrid" to my 10/10/51 unholy spec |
| 23:24.55 | augustl | haha |
| 23:25.32 | mikma | 10/10/51? |
| 23:25.38 | mikma | crazy hybrid! |
| 23:25.47 | mikma | i know i know |
| 23:25.53 | mikma | onli over unholy |
| 23:26.00 | mikma | + bladed armor |
| 23:26.13 | mikma | obli* |
| 23:26.35 | foxlit | The numbers are fictional |
| 23:26.43 | foxlit | And I last respecced in 3.1 |
| 23:27.37 | mikma | you suck. |
| 23:28.41 | mikma | foxlit: www.skeletonjack.com |
| 23:29.07 | foxlit | If that's not a parody of samurai jack with a catchy tune... |
| 23:29.09 | Thunder_Child | anyone know a program that can open a word file of more than 512mb? |
| 23:29.13 | Thunder_Child | in windows |
| 23:29.26 | Lopeppeppy | Word can't? |
| 23:29.35 | tekkub | if word can't, well what's the point? |
| 23:29.37 | Thunder_Child | nope, tops out at the 512 error |
| 23:29.48 | Lopeppeppy | OpenOffice? |
| 23:30.17 | mikma | 512mb of word document? |
| 23:30.22 | Thunder_Child | well i should have said text file |
| 23:30.24 | mikma | thats the definition of fail |
| 23:30.25 | Thunder_Child | not word doc |
| 23:30.35 | Thunder_Child | it's a dump report actually |
| 23:30.54 | mikma | hah |
| 23:30.54 | Thunder_Child | both notepad and notepad++ failed |
| 23:30.57 | mikma | crash fail |
| 23:31.33 | Thunder_Child | something about a bugcheck |
| 23:31.55 | foxlit | cat! |
| 23:32.08 | mikma | hohoho |
| 23:32.19 | mikma | 51wmb worth of cat, no thanks xD |
| 23:32.29 | mikma | damn you Fn-key |
| 23:32.33 | foxlit | wmb! |
| 23:33.11 | mikma | i has numbers in mah qwerty -row |
| 23:33.19 | mikma | just need to press Fn |
| 23:34.13 | alestane | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19110028260&sid=1 |
| 23:34.13 | alestane | The /castrandom change is now *officially* intentional. |
| 23:34.19 | tekkub | I hate the F'n key |
| 23:34.32 | mikma | xD tek |
| 23:34.43 | mikma | so whats the castrandom change anyway? |
| 23:35.08 | Lopeppeppy | Glad you asked, mikma! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19110028260&sid=1 |
| 23:35.41 | Thunder_Child | editpad opened it |
| 23:35.45 | mikma | that doesnt tell what was changed |
| 23:36.02 | foxlit | It now picks a spell and repeats it until it casts |
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| 23:36.21 | foxlit | As opposed to the previous behavior of picking a new spell each time |
| 23:36.34 | Lopeppeppy | So it's not truly "random" in the way that players have been using it. |
| 23:36.42 | tekkub | which in the end only effects the people using it to spam through cooldowns |
| 23:36.57 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly |
| 23:37.10 | tekkub | fuck those people with a F'n key |
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| 23:37.29 | foxlit | It's so tempting to just starfire Tendris Warpwood. |
| 23:37.37 | foxlit | Unfortunately, that is so going to kill me, even at 80. |
| 23:37.38 | Lopeppeppy | tekkub, you'd be f'ning them all day. :) |
| 23:37.42 | mikma | foxlit: what does that mean for ie dk macro "icy touch plague strike hert strike hert strike death strike"? |
| 23:38.13 | foxlit | phew, Shadowmeld saves the day |
| 23:38.20 | mikma | how in the hell did i typo that twice |
| 23:38.21 | Lopeppeppy | Whatever spell it tried first, it would try until it was able to cast it, regardless of what other spells are in the macro. |
| 23:38.44 | mikma | but thats a cool thing! |
| 23:38.55 | theorbtwo | I'm somewhat confused by his mount comment. How does this effect that at all? |
| 23:38.56 | mikma | less botting players |
| 23:39.01 | Lopeppeppy | Much more of an obsessive "Rain Man" approach than an "ADD all over the place" approach. |
| 23:39.03 | tekkub | mikma, that's a sequence, not a random though, right? |
| 23:39.19 | Lopeppeppy | theorbtwo, they just need to get another mechanic for casting random mounts, is what I'm thinking he's saying. |
| 23:39.20 | Lunessa | foxlit: I did that too, only it was lightning bolt |
| 23:39.48 | mikma | twif it picks a random spell and tries to cast the same untul its casted -> picks another random then i think its fine |
| 23:39.56 | mikma | does it do that now? |
| 23:40.01 | mikma | dfvvhujiskwdj |
| 23:40.16 | foxlit | It does that now. |
| 23:40.16 | theorbtwo | Lopeppeppy: But mount casting doesn't have a cooldown, does it? |
| 23:40.18 | mikma | tekkub: ^-- for you those lines before random |
| 23:40.40 | mikma | then its a good change imho |
| 23:40.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Funkeh` (n=funk@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Ace3/BigWigs/funkeh) |
| 23:41.41 | mikma | i can see the random spamminess of one button that uses all cd's and tries all spells |
| 23:41.43 | theorbtwo | Anyway, it won't stop bots, just make them work differently. You need to write a macro that you hit at start of combat, that casts foo, sleeps for global cooldown, casts bar, etc. |
| 23:41.55 | foxlit | It's not a bot thing. |
| 23:42.01 | foxlit | It's a "SALVAGE OUR FAILED GAME DESIGN ALREADY" thing. |
| 23:42.16 | tekkub | yea bots will just have each spell bound |
| 23:42.27 | theorbtwo | Then instead of "spam one button", it's "press this button, which does combat until opponent dies". |
| 23:42.36 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/161525440 |
| 23:44.19 | mikma | oh i wish castsequence wouldnt advance if spell misses or is resisted etc |
| 23:44.20 | *** join/#wowuidev Asuah (n=Mook@68.32.68.36) |
| 23:44.31 | theorbtwo | Wow. There's a garfield minus garfield *book* now? I'm amazed that whatever litigious corporation owns Jim Davis didn't sue them into oblivion. |
| 23:44.41 | alestane | Jim Davis owns himself. |
| 23:44.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Jim quite likes them |
| 23:44.51 | ScytheBlade1 | He's read them, and he thinks that they are awesome |
| 23:45.20 | theorbtwo | Da, read http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/private/61669516/fSymsOGXOgrmmihjqTZaCBY2 |
| 23:45.53 | theorbtwo | (Er, sorry if that sounded bursque. That was supposed to be past tense, not command form.) |
| 23:47.48 | Adys | theorbtwo: they like them, there was some article about it |
| 23:48.00 | Adys | .. Im slow |
| 23:48.18 | nooga | ow |
| 23:48.27 | nooga | there is a /castsequence thing |
| 23:50.15 | mikma | yes? |
| 23:51.13 | nooga | and it works? |
| 23:51.22 | mikma | yes? |
| 23:52.51 | Zhinjio | WTF |
| 23:52.54 | Zhinjio | [17:47][Kimae] has earned the achievement [Level 40]![17:48][Kimae] has earned the achievement [Level 50]![17:50][Kimae] has earned the achievement [Level 60]! |
| 23:53.01 | Adys | RAF |
| 23:53.04 | Zhinjio | how is that possible? |
| 23:53.07 | mikma | RAF |
| 23:53.10 | Zhinjio | oh |
| 23:53.15 | Zhinjio | sighs. |
| 23:53.55 | nooga | okay |
| 23:54.00 | mikma | i bet you are gonna cry when you hear that you can use flying mount at lvl60 |
| 23:54.30 | foxlit | And it flies faster too. |
| 23:54.31 | Sesshu | >lua print(1+1) |
| 23:54.37 | foxlit | They also removed all of the uphill slopes in the game. |
| 23:54.39 | Adys | lua> |
| 23:54.49 | Sesshu | oops |
| 23:54.55 | Sesshu | lua> print(1+1) |
| 23:54.56 | lua_bot | Sesshu: 2 |
| 23:54.58 | Sesshu | ah |
| 23:54.59 | Sesshu | ok |
| 23:55.17 | mikma | wut |
| 23:55.20 | Sesshu | i'm not very well in math |
| 23:55.25 | mikma | you need a calculator for that? |
| 23:56.28 | Sesshu | lua> while true do end |
| 23:56.33 | lua_bot | Sesshu: Your code exceeded set CPU limits |
| 23:56.41 | Sesshu | :( |
| 23:56.52 | mikma | lua> print("Sess".."hu fails") |
| 23:56.52 | lua_bot | mikma: Sesshu fails |
| 23:56.59 | mikma | that he does! |
| 23:57.06 | Sesshu | lol |
| 23:57.55 | foxlit | lua> t = {}; setmetatable(t, {__index=t}); print(t.hi); |
| 23:57.56 | lua_bot | foxlit: luabot:1: loop in gettable |
| 23:57.59 | *** join/#wowuidev Wobin (n=Wobin@124-170-216-168.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:58.07 | mikma | lua> print(1/0) |
| 23:58.07 | lua_bot | mikma: inf |
| 23:58.26 | mikma | lua> print(1/0.."o lol") |
| 23:58.26 | lua_bot | mikma: luabot:1: malformed number near '0..' |
| 23:58.33 | mikma | =( |
| 23:58.40 | Sesshu | loves lua_bot |
| 23:58.59 | augustl | I'm in a phased version of icecrown, and I get shitloads of saronite |
| 23:59.05 | Sesshu | !sex |
| 23:59.08 | Sesshu | hm |
| 23:59.12 | Sesshu | stupid chan serv |
| 23:59.15 | augustl | do I have my own saronite scope here, or is it a coincidence? |
| 23:59.32 | mikma | lua> print((1/0).."o: lol!") |
| 23:59.33 | lua_bot | mikma: info: lol! |
| 23:59.33 | Wobin | coincidence |
| 23:59.39 | augustl | may |
| 23:59.45 | Wobin | since nodes are shared across phases |
