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| 00:02.34 | Kraps | WASHINGTON â Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud was killed last week in a CIA drone attack while getting a leg massage on the roof of his father-in-law's house, CNN said Monday, citing an unnamed US official. |
| 00:02.41 | NeoTron | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.51 | Kraps | thahs funny rite thar |
| 00:03.05 | NeoTron | and there's a youtube video with fireworks and everything |
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| 00:05.27 | Kraps | Ghostcrawler: There will be at least 31 bosses in Icecrown |
| 00:06.22 | foxlit | does that include the 6-man instance? |
| 00:06.38 | Kraps | eh? |
| 00:07.21 | Kraps | 2 tanks? |
| 00:07.30 | Kraps | i would like that |
| 00:07.31 | foxlit | The sound-bite is missing some rather important qualifiers. |
| 00:07.49 | NeoTron | I sense some made up information |
| 00:08.21 | Kraps | foxlit: no need for parsing, it obviously means the icecrown raid |
| 00:08.35 | Kraps | "I don't know that I would say we want tanking niches. I ultimately am agreeing with what you're saying, but once we say "tanking niches" players have visions of the DK who parks outside of Icecrown until boss 4, 17 and 31 (yes, IC is that big)." |
| 00:08.40 | foxlit | distinct encounters, or just the number of mobs? |
| 00:08.46 | NeoTron | so |
| 00:08.59 | Kraps | prolly encounters |
| 00:09.09 | NeoTron | if they are seriously adding 31 bosses to icecrown and 6 to collisium something is fucked up |
| 00:09.20 | Kraps | raid extensions remember? |
| 00:09.42 | foxlit | There's also the question of optional bosses and bosses drawn for a pool |
| 00:09.54 | foxlit | There may well be 31 boss mobs for a 3-encounter instance. |
| 00:10.20 | NeoTron | sure sure |
| 00:11.13 | NeoTron | Icecrown is really one room where you fight 5 random bosses out of a pool of 30 and then arthas appears and blows a hole in the ground and then you fight his pet cat |
| 00:11.22 | Cloudwolf | running from auberdine to ratchet !=fun |
| 00:11.25 | NeoTron | and then you win the interwebs |
| 00:11.37 | foxlit | NeoTron: and then the ceiling cat attacks. |
| 00:11.53 | Kraps | NeoTron: jaded much? |
| 00:12.13 | NeoTron | Kraps: it'd be fun! |
| 00:12.25 | NeoTron | it's be a VERY BIG room though. many times bigger than the puny arena! |
| 00:12.30 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.32 | NeoTron | but yes, I am |
| 00:12.45 | NeoTron | collisium, the whole concept, is cool. it's just not a whole fricking tier worth of raiding |
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| 00:13.18 | NeoTron | it'd be cool as a 3-4 mob raid with a pool of random encounters in addition to a real dungeon crawl |
| 00:13.50 | foxlit | screw dungeon crawls. |
| 00:14.08 | foxlit | The new format is sufficiently interesting :) |
| 00:14.21 | NeoTron | yay for one boss most people one shot! |
| 00:14.42 | NeoTron | I mean I know it's the first one but still |
| 00:14.42 | foxlit | Next week it'll be two, np. |
| 00:15.47 | foxlit | Releasing content sequentially is smelly, but I don't think that's a valid objection against any particular instance design style -- it can be applied to everything from BWL to colosseum. |
| 00:17.02 | NeoTron | it's just a sign to me that the content provided in 3.2 for raiding isn't really sufficient to (naturally, by itself) last until 3.3 |
| 00:17.28 | foxlit | The last time the opposite was true was in 2.4 |
| 00:17.49 | foxlit | (incidentally, also a sequential release) |
| 00:18.10 | NeoTron | don't get me wrong, not saying SWP was better |
| 00:18.31 | NeoTron | although typically it lasted a lot longer because it was helluva hard (except for the top few of course) |
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| 00:21.08 | Thunder_Child | way too many canaries are used in the making of post-it notes |
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| 00:31.54 | Industrial | http://www.darkwired.nl/~industrial/img/ |
| 00:32.01 | Industrial | asdf wrong window |
| 00:34.38 | Fisker | http://www.darkwired.nl/~industrial/img/lol/053b229ba5a80ab57ea781fbe36d42a7bc8053e6.png <-instant lol |
| 00:34.40 | Fisker | owned Industrial btw |
| 00:37.31 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/159798275 |
| 00:38.22 | augustl | Industrial: <3 the collection |
| 00:48.19 | Dagmar | Sadness is being at work and knowing better than to blindly sift through a collection like that... |
| 00:48.30 | Dagmar | ...while simultaneously knowing by the time I get home I won't be bored enough to do it. |
| 00:48.53 | Dagmar | The randomized filenames.... so-o-o-o tantalizing. |
| 00:56.24 | Industrial | Adys: np |
| 00:56.31 | Industrial | durr he just left |
| 00:56.32 | Adys | you're welcome too |
| 00:56.42 | Industrial | Adys: wanted to highlight augustl ;p |
| 00:56.44 | Industrial | anyway! |
| 00:56.46 | Industrial | http://www.darkwired.nl/~industrial/img/lol/2207c0077b5ee5a8adeac95c7ff6d7f282a6b91b.gif |
| 00:56.49 | Adys | WELL YOU FAILED |
| 00:56.50 | Adys | :( |
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| 00:57.03 | Industrial | gently pats Adys. |
| 01:05.02 | Shirik | hey it's tekkub http://www.darkwired.nl/~industrial/img/lol/bear_rug_art.jpg |
| 01:05.25 | Industrial | splat! |
| 01:05.30 | Industrial | (that will draw attention!) |
| 01:18.57 | Lunessa | It rubs the lotion on its skin. |
| 01:19.29 | VonhintenHOME` | what's the trick to tanking the last phase of ToC 25, tanks are getting rocked after some ferocious butt debuff |
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| 01:20.01 | Lopeppeppy | It puts the lotion in the basket when it's told, or it gets the hose. |
| 01:21.51 | Dagmar | "or else it gets the hose again" |
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| 01:23.37 | batrick | ~botmail foxlit: Lua knows how many slots of the hash table are allocated, it does not know how many of those slots are holding key/value pairs. |
| 01:24.12 | Shirik | lmao http://www.darkwired.nl/~industrial/img/lol/football5.gif |
| 01:24.16 | Shirik | you have some fun stuff Adys |
| 01:24.18 | Shirik | er, Industrial |
| 01:24.24 | Shirik | read one thing say another :/ |
| 01:25.09 | Adys | i also have some fun stuff |
| 01:25.12 | Adys | you just never asked for it |
| 01:25.52 | Shirik | I'm scared of your fun stuff |
| 01:26.12 | Adys | unzips |
| 01:26.19 | batrick | maybe the first soccer player has a rubber glove coated with phosphorus |
| 01:26.33 | Adys | unzips his fun_stuff.zip folder, of course. |
| 01:26.43 | Lunessa | Adys: That's your gun, not your rifle. |
| 01:27.08 | Adys | jesus christ Im on twitter |
| 01:27.17 | Adys | Adys Group (Adysgroup) on Twitter |
| 01:27.17 | Adys | Social media marketers, digital video producers, SEO, Web development. |
| 01:27.26 | Industrial | dun dun DUN |
| 01:27.46 | Industrial | *close ups of shocked faces* |
| 01:28.09 | Industrial | Shirik: I only save the things I like most :) |
| 01:28.09 | Adys | this shit makes me thankful i saved the Adys username long ago |
| 01:29.06 | Industrial | http://www.darkwired.nl/~industrial/img/lol/874bbe0dd9b40f1ad6c9d365987474d6f9ef9cf3.jpg |
| 01:29.09 | Industrial | ah there it was |
| 01:29.12 | Industrial | that's my favorite up til now |
| 01:29.22 | Industrial | the face is epic. |
| 01:29.43 | Industrial | cracks me up every time :-) |
| 01:29.45 | Industrial | anyway nn |
| 01:29.55 | Lunessa | it cracks me up too. |
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| 01:38.44 | Shirik | So |
| 01:39.04 | Shirik | Vying for world record for worst domain names ever |
| 01:39.12 | AnduinLothar | Kaelten: is the latest mac curse client gonna use growl instead of whatever popup service it's using now? |
| 01:39.12 | Shirik | http://penisland.net/ (believe it or not, SFW) |
| 01:41.15 | Lopeppeppy | But still probably pretty fake. :) |
| 01:41.18 | Adys | without clicking, isn't this the oldest link on the internet? |
| 01:41.30 | Adys | shirik, have you been browsing Bash?! |
| 01:41.43 | Shirik | nah, not bash |
| 01:41.47 | Shirik | one of Industrial's pictures reminded me of it |
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| 01:43.29 | End | Shirik: do they sell pens? |
| 01:43.45 | nicoli_s | i see shiriki going "hmmm, that reminds me of penisland...." |
| 01:43.58 | End | expert sexchange |
| 01:44.49 | AnduinLothar | too bad that's not fake |
| 01:44.55 | AnduinLothar | but they added a hyphen |
| 01:45.02 | End | yea |
| 01:45.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: -the- oldest |
| 01:45.43 | Adys | yep |
| 01:45.50 | Adys | the first link on the internet |
| 01:45.51 | Adys | penisland! |
| 01:46.07 | Adys | how do you think they even got the domain name? |
| 01:46.57 | Lopeppeppy | By paying for it before anyone was smarter? |
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| 01:49.26 | Shadowed | mmmm are there any macro options besides ! that go in the spell name? |
| 01:49.34 | Shadowed | pretty sure there's not |
| 01:49.41 | alestane | Not of which I am aware. |
| 01:49.51 | Shadowed | goody |
| 01:50.57 | Lopeppeppy | I was fond of ~, but no one ever listens to me. |
| 01:51.12 | alestane | What would it have done? |
| 01:51.37 | Lopeppeppy | Sold one of your purples randomly for 3copper. |
| 01:51.45 | kd3 | wtb |
| 01:51.50 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd be a fan of an option that did nothing other than yelled at the user. |
| 01:51.57 | Dagmar | What's "~" do? |
| 01:52.11 | Lopeppeppy | 21:51] alestane: What would it have done? |
| 01:52.11 | Lopeppeppy | [21:51] Lopeppeppy: Sold one of your purples randomly for 3copper. |
| 01:52.16 | Dagmar | Ah |
| 01:52.36 | Dagmar | Understand that it's a real bitch for some of us who don't much care for the current behaviour of _toggling_ |
| 01:52.55 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah... but some people prefer it to when there *was no toggling* |
| 01:52.56 | Dagmar | ...especially since /stopcasting and /stopattack seem to have minds of their own |
| 01:53.26 | Dagmar | One of these days I might manage to have a Kill Shot macro that can actually interrupt Steady Shot |
| 01:54.20 | Shirik | http://www.darkwired.nl/~industrial/img/lol/the_larper.jpg |
| 01:54.21 | Shirik | wtf |
| 01:54.26 | Shirik | I hope that's fake |
| 01:54.28 | alestane | It can be very tricky to create pridictable behaviors when a client-server architecture is involved. |
| 01:54.35 | Dagmar | Probably not but let's see |
| 01:55.07 | Dagmar | Fake. |
| 01:55.41 | Lopeppeppy | Adorable. |
| 01:55.48 | Dagmar | Clues: "Referring Staff Member: GM"... Out of school suspension for 105 days? |
| 01:56.04 | Shirik | Ok I get the GM part |
| 01:56.06 | Shirik | what's 105 days? |
| 01:56.14 | Dagmar | In my high school a kid knifed another kid and only wound up suspended for two weeks (mainlybecause it was an accident but still)( |
| 01:56.39 | Dagmar | They don't punt kids for the entire year unless there's a history of issues |
| 01:56.40 | Shirik | yeah I know, 105 is way over the top |
| 01:56.50 | Shirik | My school system doesn't let you get a suspension for more than 10 days |
| 01:56.55 | augustl | `for x, y in pairs(foo) do .... end` - x and y is automatically local vars? |
| 01:56.57 | Shirik | the next level is expulsion |
| 01:57.00 | Shirik | there's no in between |
| 01:57.02 | Shirik | augustl: yes |
| 01:57.06 | Lopeppeppy | is innocent |
| 01:57.06 | augustl | Shirik: tnx |
| 01:57.18 | Dagmar | The signature at the bottom is also laughable |
| 01:57.27 | Dagmar | If that's an adult's handwriting , they have palsy |
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| 01:57.56 | Shirik | eh |
| 01:58.00 | Shirik | my signature looks like I have palsy |
| 01:58.01 | ccox | does anyone know of an addon that improves the battleground queue frame layout? ie: makes the lists longer. |
| 01:58.15 | Shirik | but you sure as hell can't copy it |
| 01:58.28 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, you don't have handwriting, you have computer printers. |
| 01:58.33 | Shirik | :/ |
| 01:58.34 | kd3 | meh, I can't copy my own signature |
| 01:58.45 | kd3 | signs differently every time he picks up a pen |
| 01:58.52 | ScytheBlade1 | same |
| 01:59.02 | ScytheBlade1 | The day I have to open a new bank account will be a very bad day |
| 01:59.11 | Lopeppeppy | I just make a lot of loops for the n's and e's and l's, it's funny. When I get bored, I stop. |
| 01:59.55 | Lunessa | Shirik: You don't sleep and you ingest massive quantities of caffeine - of course you have palsy. |
| 02:00.12 | Shirik | incorrect |
| 02:00.12 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik better not have caffeines. |
| 02:00.14 | alestane | I thought he quit caffeine? |
| 02:00.20 | Shirik | I have not had caffeine for nearly ... 2 years now |
| 02:00.31 | Lunessa | ... And you're still breathing? |
| 02:00.35 | Dagmar | Well, there's generally a regularity to the pen strokes with someone's signature, even if they're illegible. |
| 02:00.35 | ccox | ...and he's just about over withdrawl |
| 02:00.36 | Shirik | I think so |
| 02:00.47 | Dagmar | That signature really really looks like someone was *trying* to sign an adult's name |
| 02:01.01 | Dagmar | ...and they couldn't keep their head straight between letters. |
| 02:01.38 | Lunessa | Shirik: It's all good - I'm just yanking your chain, but I bet some sleep occasionally would help anyway. :P |
| 02:01.45 | Lopeppeppy | I checked last year, he was breathing. |
| 02:01.47 | Dagmar | There's a variation of the bar psychic trick you can do where you have someone sign ten names and their own. |
| 02:02.22 | Dagmar | It's generally very easy to tell which one is theirs. |
| 02:02.22 | Lopeppeppy | I'm 90% off caffeine myself, it's good for you. |
| 02:02.36 | Lunessa | I'm trying to cut back, but the headaches this weekend were UN-FUCKING-GODLY |
| 02:02.40 | Dagmar | That like, 10% alive. |
| 02:02.52 | ccox | <-- off caffeine for many years, but reserves the right to sometimes indulge in dark chocolate |
| 02:02.57 | Dagmar | Lunessa: Take heart. You can hit a point where the headaches don't happen anymore. |
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| 02:03.11 | kd3 | caffeine withdrawal headaches make me something something |
| 02:03.13 | alestane | Drugs generally have more effect on you when you don't take them CONSTANTLY. |
| 02:03.14 | ccox | Lunessa - that's witthrdrawl from caffeine, it goes away after a few days |
| 02:03.21 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I quit once before - I was clean for 2 years. |
| 02:03.27 | Dagmar | Of course, it might mean you've turned your pancreas into a shriveled prune. |
| 02:03.31 | Lunessa | ccox: I know. |
| 02:03.40 | ScytheBlade1 | just simply doesn't drink caffiene, ever |
| 02:03.49 | Dagmar | Lunessa: The word "heroic" generally applies to my caffiene instake |
| 02:04.25 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I worked with a guy who drank caffeinated water and washed with caffeinated soap. |
| 02:04.33 | Dagmar | Somewhere above 800 mg a day |
| 02:04.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: http://www.totalprosports.com/blog/index.php/2009/08/colten-teubert-hits-jordan-caron-at-wjc-video/ - video at the bottom of the article |
| 02:04.46 | Dagmar | With very broad levels of "somewhere" |
| 02:05.24 | Dagmar | I've generally had a Full Throttle before I leave the house for work, then a couple more during the day, several cups of coffee... |
| 02:05.39 | Lunessa | Dagmar: Waiting for your heart to explode and impale those who annoy you with its shrapnel? |
| 02:05.40 | Dagmar | I've no idea why people bother with caffienated soap |
| 02:05.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Dagmar: one of these days, you're just going to fall over dead |
| 02:06.07 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: yeah well, that explains why not too many people were suprised when I fainted at the coffee house back in May |
| 02:06.18 | Dagmar | ....although that was heat and dehydration. |
| 02:06.21 | ScytheBlade1 | You should probably... fix... yourself |
| 02:06.48 | Dagmar | Lunessa: I'm one of those hyperactives who functions better on higher levels of caffiene than most people |
| 02:06.58 | Dagmar | Eveerything in my head seems to finally be in step with the other parts |
| 02:07.24 | Dagmar | Granted it results in a lot of people thinking I'm coked up (including the ER nurse) |
| 02:07.56 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I'm a chronic fatigue sufferer - caffeine has made life manageable for me. But I don't ingest nearly as much now as I used to. |
| 02:08.05 | Dagmar | OUch. That stuff sucks |
| 02:08.15 | Dagmar | I ran face first into CFS when I was working for CitiTravel. |
| 02:08.30 | Dagmar | A few too many fare wars, a lack of sense on my part, and an unlimited overtime budget. |
| 02:08.52 | kd3 | unlimited overtime budget? ooooh |
| 02:08.55 | Dagmar | It was like a month before I found out why fourteen hours of sleep was somehow stsill not enough |
| 02:08.56 | Lunessa | Dagmar: I ended up with it in the 80s after a long bout of both flu and mono. |
| 02:09.07 | Dagmar | kd3: You really, REALLY do not want to try that |
| 02:09.15 | Dagmar | CitiTravel is/was HIGH volume |
| 02:09.38 | Lunessa | Heh... and a 15+ credit hours /semester and 2 full time jobs to pay for school... |
| 02:09.38 | Dagmar | I was doing upwards of $80,000 in reservations a day, which meant massive money for um... wild women/parties |
| 02:09.54 | Dagmar | My hourly check was regularly dwarfed by bonuses |
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| 02:10.28 | Dagmar | Yeah you can really just burn yourself right up if you're not mindful |
| 02:11.24 | Lunessa | Most of my health issues track back to 5+ years of 2-3 hours sleep a night, bad food, and crazy school/work commitments. |
| 02:11.35 | Dagmar | Oh I was getting 6-8 hours of sleep every night |
| 02:11.53 | Dagmar | The problem was that I was working a shift that went from 11am to 7pm, so it didn't really interfere with my clubbing. |
| 02:12.01 | Lopeppeppy | I did overnights, that screwed me for life. |
| 02:12.28 | Lunessa | I wasn't. I lived on caffeine, sugar, high-caloric meals once a day and burned through more work and school than I care to think about. |
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| 02:13.07 | Dagmar | I'd go to work, do 8-10 hours there, go home, take a nap, eat dinner, go clubbing until about 2am, go home and sleep, get up at 10am, rinse and repeat |
| 02:13.14 | Lunessa | Dagmar: My retirement (2000 - 2004) was 5-6 nights of solid drinking, floozies and more drinking. |
| 02:13.21 | Dagmar | yay! |
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| 02:13.32 | Dagmar | That's pretty much what I did through the latter 90's |
| 02:13.40 | alestane | I notice you're not retired anymore. |
| 02:13.49 | Dagmar | 4-6 nights a week I went clubbing for about three hours a night |
| 02:13.56 | Lunessa | And drinking = 14+ drinks every night. My liver is a dill pickle I think. |
| 02:13.59 | ccox | so, I guess that's a NO on better battleground frames. Sigh. |
| 02:14.03 | Dagmar | whee! |
| 02:14.18 | Dagmar | My entertainment was less liquid and more, um, paper based. |
| 02:14.40 | Lunessa | So, like little tubes? |
| 02:14.55 | Lunessa | Or like little squares? |
| 02:15.03 | Dagmar | No tubes. Like little novelty stamps |
| 02:15.16 | Dagmar | A steady diet of 1-3 a week |
| 02:15.17 | Lunessa | Gotcha. |
| 02:15.32 | Dagmar | Not _lots_ mind you. I like to remember how many fingers I have without failing to count them. |
| 02:15.43 | Dagmar | ...and that can happy. |
| 02:15.45 | Dagmar | er happen. |
| 02:16.02 | Lunessa | I met a chica in Seattle that was just... not right ... I asked her what she was into... "Acid" she said. at 21, she'd already done 10,000 hits. |
| 02:16.04 | Dagmar | It's a sad thing when you have to answer "somewhere between four and seven fingers" |
| 02:16.36 | Dagmar | Yeah, that's just madness, since past 2-3 you're just adding more unpleasantness. The middle of the bell-shaped curve on that is right around there. |
| 02:16.43 | kd3 | ! |
| 02:16.47 | Dagmar | >20 is just senseless waste |
| 02:16.55 | Dagmar | ...but there's idiots that will do it. |
| 02:17.30 | Dagmar | Disclaimer: LSD will make you insane. Don't do it. |
| 02:17.31 | Lunessa | I've never been one to use anything other than caffeine and alcohol. |
| 02:17.48 | Lunessa | Not my bag, baby, yeah. |
| 02:17.48 | alestane | Over what time, or total cumulative? |
| 02:18.07 | Lunessa | alestane: She was 21. 10,000 hits is a lot in that few years. |
| 02:18.16 | Dagmar | You can live a full and rich life never having to explain to a stranger why you were just having a conversation with their central heat and air unit. |
| 02:18.17 | alestane | This is true. |
| 02:18.45 | alestane | lua> 21,000 / 7 |
| 02:18.46 | lua_bot | alestane: 21, 0 |
| 02:18.56 | alestane | lua> 21000 / 7 |
| 02:18.57 | lua_bot | alestane: 3000 |
| 02:19.00 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 02:19.14 | alestane | lua> 3000/365 |
| 02:19.14 | lua_bot | alestane: 8.2191780821918 |
| 02:19.21 | alestane | Yeah, that's a lot. |
| 02:19.27 | Dagmar | I suspect that number might just mean "I lost count but I'm sure the number is insanely high" |
| 02:19.45 | alestane | Probably. |
| 02:19.52 | Lunessa | She had a journal - which was fucking creepy - of her acid trips. |
| 02:19.52 | Dagmar | Thank goodness the HD50 on that is so high |
| 02:20.07 | alestane | In Chinese thinking it really just means "an uncountable number". |
| 02:20.16 | alestane | Or "All of them." |
| 02:20.21 | Dagmar | I'm assuming she entries were written after she'd sobered a little. |
| 02:20.23 | Lopeppeppy | "yes" |
| 02:20.35 | Dagmar | The kind of dosage that would represent would mean she'd be incapable of handling a pen. |
| 02:20.41 | Lunessa | All I know is... I didn't want to be around her. |
| 02:21.09 | augustl | I'm totally doing MVC in a WoW addon |
| 02:21.16 | Dagmar | MVC? |
| 02:21.17 | augustl | or VC at least |
| 02:21.24 | augustl | model/view/controller |
| 02:22.07 | Lopeppeppy | As in, editing game models? Or something else? |
| 02:22.12 | Dagmar | I'm going to go nab a replacement keyboard.. I just noticed that the thing dropped a few whole words that time. |
| 02:22.41 | Lunessa | since the game will render them in the paper doll / dress up frames, it should be pretty easy to do. |
| 02:22.44 | augustl | Lopeppeppy: no, the MVC pattern http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modelâviewâcontroller |
| 02:22.47 | Dagmar | That was supposed to read "assuming she wrote those entroes" |
| 02:22.54 | Dagmar | ...but with better spelling. *sigh* |
| 02:23.29 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy, it's an architecture pattern |
| 02:23.41 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, what lunessa and Shirik said. I hear models and I think "no, no, naughty" |
| 02:23.55 | augustl | it's fun! The code doesn't look much like the code in most wow addons I've seen |
| 02:24.01 | augustl | inspired by the cocoa mvc patterns |
| 02:24.10 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 02:24.10 | Shirik | I hear models and think "ooh pretty" |
| 02:24.25 | Lunessa | Someone bring me a sammich? |
| 02:24.55 | Lopeppeppy | Someone bring me a sober kitty? |
| 02:25.07 | Shirik | kitty? |
| 02:25.19 | Lunessa | New kitteh has good medicines! |
| 02:25.31 | Lopeppeppy | She does, Lunessa. And she could have more if she'd wake up and eat. |
| 02:25.50 | Lunessa | If she is alseepings let her. :P |
| 02:25.55 | alestane | If you manage to land outside the Dlaran wall, is there somewhere you can A) go in, or B) fly away, or are you stuck jumping to your doom? |
| 02:26.09 | Dagmar | Just run around untill you're near the landing |
| 02:26.19 | Dagmar | You should be able to mount up there. |
| 02:26.25 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik, http://s29.photobucket.com/albums/c271/jarien/Rosie/ . Lunessa, very much so. I'll just sleep next to her in hopes she wakes up later and I can get her antibiotics down her. |
| 02:26.28 | Lunessa | Or the zone changes to Dalaran Flying Rocks and mount up. |
| 02:26.30 | Dagmar | The wall definitely goes all the way around |
| 02:26.57 | Shirik | cute ) |
| 02:27.00 | Dagmar | ...or get someone to summon you |
| 02:28.23 | Lunessa | Video is drugged kitteh? |
| 02:28.25 | mikma | lopeppeppy: whats wrong with teh kitteh |
| 02:28.51 | Dagmar | Not if you don't wnat PETA on CNN calling you the next Hitler for taking videos of a doped-up cat |
| 02:28.55 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, video is her just after capture, not drugged, just cuddling. |
| 02:29.14 | Wobin | cries when he sees recipes for a cake base with flour, eggs, butter and baking soda... and the reviews for the cake ask: "Can I use a box mix for the cake part?" |
| 02:29.16 | Lopeppeppy | mikma, she was a stray, a friend caught her because she had a nasty wound under her shoulder. And I adopterated her. |
| 02:29.29 | Lunessa | She reminds me of one of my former cats (now happily on my parents farm) |
| 02:29.32 | Dagmar | Wobin: Wow. Just wow. |
| 02:29.44 | mikma | lopeppeppy: neat part as the adopter |
| 02:29.46 | Dagmar | I'm a microwave ninja and I still know better than that. |
| 02:29.54 | Lopeppeppy | Lunessa, she's a twin for Kendra, it's eerie! |
| 02:30.07 | Wobin | I'm looking at a Alton Brown recipe for Tres Leches cake |
| 02:30.08 | Lunessa | Mmmm... cake. DO WANT |
| 02:30.10 | Wobin | it looks fantastic |
| 02:30.22 | Lopeppeppy | mikma, thanks. I wouldn't have chosen now, or this cat necessarily, but fate stuck in a paw. :) |
| 02:30.27 | Wobin | if I weren't somewhat lactose intolerant, I'd make it right away. |
| 02:30.32 | Wobin | And even so, I'm tempted =P |
| 02:30.43 | Dagmar | Soy "milk" to the rescue! |
| 02:30.51 | Wobin | oh god |
| 02:30.55 | Wobin | that would be -terrible- =) |
| 02:30.58 | alestane | "Wait...it's cake recipe, and one of the ingredients is cake?" |
| 02:31.08 | Wobin | Tres Leches is 'three milk' cake =) |
| 02:31.13 | Dagmar | SHHH!! IT R SEKRIT RECIPEE |
| 02:31.27 | Wobin | so you have condensed milk, evaporated milk and normal milk (and cream) |
| 02:31.37 | Dagmar | I suppose you could try three different brands of powdered milk then |
| 02:31.45 | Lopeppeppy | I'm going to go cuddle her until she wakes up. See y'all tomorrow! |
| 02:31.47 | Wobin | Nah, I'd follow the recipe |
| 02:31.57 | Wobin | Lacteeze to the rescue! |
| 02:32.01 | Dagmar | ...maybe substitute horchata |
| 02:32.18 | Shirik | Having an instance named "toc" is really messing with my head |
| 02:32.33 | Dagmar | "Why it's a cake that cures hangovers!" |
| 02:32.33 | Lunessa | Ok, so I must ask one last time before I head out this weekend for california - anyone else going to blizzcon and want to split part of a hotel room? |
| 02:32.35 | Wobin | well, it's technically TotC |
| 02:32.42 | Wobin | isn't it? |
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| 02:32.51 | Dagmar | Shirik: You and a whole boataload of casuals pugging it |
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| 02:33.20 | Dagmar | We're all timidly saying "ToC" in chat and then once we get a nibble asking "This is for the 5-man, right?" |
| 02:33.32 | Dagmar | Could be god only knows what we just got invited to |
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| 02:34.29 | Lunessa | I hate and suck at the whole jousting thing, despite my Crusader title. |
| 02:34.40 | Wobin | staples Corrodias to the channel |
| 02:35.01 | Wobin | Lunessa: The swapover from mounted to melee -always- kills me |
| 02:35.04 | Dagmar | Chant this... "Charge, start circle, shield-break, close... repeat" |
| 02:35.11 | Wobin | I've only ever had one run where I didn't die |
| 02:35.19 | Lunessa | Wobin: I just joust with my bags open to remind me. |
| 02:35.31 | Wobin | Lunessa: nah, as the healer, I get oneshot =\ |
| 02:35.36 | Dagmar | Ah yep |
| 02:35.43 | Lunessa | Luckily I agreed to heal that one, so it wasn't too bad. |
| 02:35.52 | Dagmar | Youo're going to have to start watchig the last guy's HP and backing away to the walls when it's about "time" |
| 02:36.04 | Wobin | hehe, then the hunter wipes me out =) |
| 02:36.06 | Lunessa | <--- Shaman, Mail and +7% stamina in 3.2 FTW |
| 02:36.12 | Dagmar | We watch the clothies get roflstomped within three seconds of the transition all the time |
| 02:36.27 | Wobin | Lunessa: I -am- a shaman =( |
| 02:36.34 | Wobin | ok maybe not oneshot |
| 02:36.37 | Lunessa | Armory linkee |
| 02:36.45 | Wobin | but the clothies get one shot, and then I get wiped out =) |
| 02:36.52 | Shirik | ok |
| 02:36.57 | Shirik | the svn gurus need to get their act together |
| 02:37.04 | Shirik | second vulnerability in a week |
| 02:37.07 | Dagmar | So long as the tank remembers to PUT AWAY THE LANCE i'm generally good |
| 02:37.11 | Wobin | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Proudmoore&n=snuupy |
| 02:37.15 | Dagmar | I has monkey! |
| 02:38.15 | Lunessa | Wobin - Wow. I thought you were light-years ahead of me in content. |
| 02:38.17 | Lunessa | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kirin+Tor&n=Unkle |
| 02:38.26 | Wobin | Lunessa: nah, this is my new shaman |
| 02:38.31 | Wobin | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Proudmoore&n=snuusnu is my main |
| 02:39.04 | Dagmar | Wow. |
| 02:39.12 | Dagmar | Hopefully they'll drop you a nice neck piece in ToC soon |
| 02:39.15 | Lunessa | I feel like a n00b now. |
| 02:39.19 | Wobin | inorite? |
| 02:39.22 | Wobin | =( |
| 02:39.23 | Philemon | Anyone know of a mod which would let me assign comments to people I run instances with so that I can remember them later? |
| 02:39.29 | Shirik | Table 'ebuild' is marked as crashed and should be repaired |
| 02:39.31 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:39.38 | Shirik | Philemon: Look up karma |
| 02:39.48 | Lunessa | Philemon: Try "DoIKnowYou" |
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| 02:40.06 | Dagmar | Okay. You can tank for us. :) |
| 02:40.14 | Shirik | Iriel |
| 02:40.16 | Shirik | fix the database |
| 02:40.22 | Wobin | \o/ |
| 02:40.42 | Iriel | Shirik: Which database? |
| 02:40.43 | Wobin | I wish I could do decent dps though =( |
| 02:40.46 | Dagmar | NotesUNeed wouold do it, but at the moment it's gone insane and keeps pulling up the quest log every few seconds. |
| 02:40.48 | Shirik | gentoo-portage.com |
| 02:40.49 | Lunessa | Man, and here I was, thinking I might not suck.. and then I start comparing to your main.... |
| 02:40.57 | Shirik | Table 'ebuild' is marked as crashed and should be repaired |
| 02:40.58 | Shirik | :( |
| 02:41.04 | Iriel | Shirik: Fun! |
| 02:41.08 | Wobin | Lunessa: That set of gear is due to being unemployed for three months. |
| 02:41.20 | Wobin | While it ends up with good stuff, I don't recommend the process =P |
| 02:41.37 | Lunessa | Wobin: Did that before. Do not wish to repeat. |
| 02:41.47 | Wobin | In other news, I have a new job! |
| 02:41.54 | Lunessa | Wooot! New job! |
| 02:42.03 | Shirik | yay job |
| 02:42.10 | Cairenn | yay job! |
| 02:42.10 | Shirik | I was looking at some numbers today |
| 02:42.11 | Wobin | I start on Monday! Hurrah for permanent work! |
| 02:42.12 | Shirik | rather depressing |
| 02:42.20 | ScytheBlade1 | These days, more like 'woot! *A* job!' is more accurate |
| 02:42.24 | batrick | :( |
| 02:42.28 | Shirik | Oregon's unemployement rate is 12% right now |
| 02:42.29 | mikma | wobin: which corner are you doing now? |
| 02:42.30 | Wobin | ScytheBlade1: so so true |
| 02:42.38 | Lunessa | I have a job. I'm happy with it, but I'd like more money. |
| 02:42.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Wobin: I've been looking for 4 months :( |
| 02:42.42 | Shirik | Like, I think about that and say "1 in 10 people I see do not have a job" |
| 02:42.44 | Wobin | mikma: corner? |
| 02:42.53 | Shirik | not entirely accurate because most of the people I see are at work |
| 02:42.57 | Shirik | but you get the point |
| 02:42.58 | mikma | yes, as a male prostitute |
| 02:42.58 | Iriel | 1 in 8 |
| 02:43.02 | Shirik | estimation! |
| 02:43.05 | Shirik | no need to be a calculator! |
| 02:43.12 | Wobin | ScytheBlade1: yeah, I've been going for about that. I mentally tell myself it's less time though |
| 02:43.33 | Wobin | mikma: now now, I'm far more higher class. Escort detail only |
| 02:43.44 | mikma | wobin: oh snap! |
| 02:43.47 | Iriel | Wobin: So which hotel lobby are you in now? |
| 02:43.55 | Wobin | By appointment only! |
| 02:43.59 | Wobin | (The Hilton) |
| 02:44.59 | Wobin | http://abstrusegoose.com/ has been my life, recently >< |
| 02:47.30 | Lunessa | Wobin: That's how I felt as I watched my life savings go down one hole after another, followed by my rental houses, my cars, my house, my fiancée, and then all my possessions. |
| 02:47.51 | Wobin | You sound like a country music lyric =( |
| 02:47.53 | Lunessa | Life is much better now, 5 years on, but still. |
| 02:48.09 | Wobin | (Your dog didn't die, though, did it? =\) |
| 02:49.20 | Lunessa | No. :P |
| 02:49.30 | Wobin | phew, that'd've been terrible |
| 02:49.31 | Lunessa | Most of said drain was the fiancée |
| 02:49.42 | Wobin | wow, that kinda sucks =\ |
| 02:50.03 | Wobin | (er, 'scuse the phrasing) |
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| 02:50.19 | Lunessa | I lawled |
| 02:50.59 | Wobin | BTW, Shirik, I <3 Minion! |
| 02:51.13 | ScytheBlade1 | which reminds me, I need to go find the proper SWT libs... |
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| 02:52.35 | Lunessa | http://abstrusegoose.com/163 - fun |
| 02:53.21 | Wobin | hehe, Captain Kangaroo |
| 02:54.03 | Shadowed | Huh, anyone know what modifies the in-game spell tooltips? It's not talents it looks or spell power, but they differ from wowhead |
| 02:54.40 | Wobin | glyphs? |
| 02:54.47 | Shadowed | nope |
| 02:55.01 | alestane | Oracle Orphan: "We can has aged yolk?" |
| 02:55.06 | Wobin | maybe wowhead is not up to date? |
| 02:55.17 | Shadowed | maybe, mmoc DB is the same number though |
| 02:55.25 | Wobin | 65119778 |
| 02:55.38 | Wobin | bah |
| 02:55.42 | Wobin | authenticator focus fail |
| 02:55.57 | Shadowed | hacks Wobin |
| 02:56.12 | Wobin | You are too late, champion! |
| 02:56.32 | Wobin | (or... something.. I can never remember that last word...) |
| 02:56.55 | Kraps | so yogg is in whisper gulch? |
| 02:58.09 | kd3 | yes |
| 02:58.24 | Lunessa | You are too late Champion of Lorederon. The Dead shall have their day! |
| 02:58.32 | kd3 | hm... synergy <3 |
| 02:59.46 | Shadowed | weird |
| 03:00.05 | Shadowed | It's definitely not modified by glyphs, talents or spell power and the DBC file is the same as wowhead, but the in-game one is slightly higher for no reason |
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| 03:00.19 | Iriel | Perhaps wowhead might have its math wrong? |
| 03:00.31 | Iriel | Or perform rounding differently |
| 03:00.35 | ScytheBlade1 | rounding |
| 03:00.35 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 03:00.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Rounding is my bet |
| 03:00.54 | ScytheBlade1 | The UI has been known to round things in odd ways before, but it isn't alone in doing so either |
| 03:00.57 | Shadowed | Iriel no wowhead is pulling directly from the DBC, and it can't be rounding |
| 03:01.01 | Shadowed | as it's 20-30 off |
| 03:01.10 | Iriel | Shadowed: that's the craziest statement you've made all night |
| 03:01.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Rounding on a multiplier could easily throw it 20-30 off |
| 03:01.25 | Shadowed | maybe |
| 03:01.29 | Shadowed | I'm not sure what multiplier though |
| 03:01.42 | Shadowed | it's static between a level 70 with no talents/sp/glyphs and a level 80 with talents/sp/glyphs, In game: 1253 - 1394, DBC 125 - 1355 |
| 03:01.50 | Shadowed | different races/factions too |
| 03:01.56 | Iriel | We have blizzard code, reading a blizzard file, and external code, reading a blizzard file, and your conclusion is that the external code is guaranteed correct? |
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| 03:02.10 | Iriel | Not to say that COULDNT be the case, but it's a bizarre first step |
| 03:02.36 | Shadowed | I'm mainly curious what the clients doing thats modifiying the DBC file in a static way |
| 03:02.49 | Shadowed | seems odd |
| 03:02.54 | Iriel | Or 'interpreting the DBC file in a different way than wowhead' |
| 03:02.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Pretty sure the client itself never modifies any DBC file |
| 03:02.59 | Iriel | Perhaps the value is relative to some fixed base |
| 03:03.04 | Iriel | And the wowhead folks missed that |
| 03:03.28 | Shadowed | no ignore the wowhead comment Iriel, asked someone to double check the DBC and the number is 1215 - 1355 in it |
| 03:03.40 | Iriel | You're missing my point entirely |
| 03:03.42 | Shadowed | of course the DBC reader could be wrong and not applying something |
| 03:04.01 | Iriel | exactly |
| 03:04.32 | Shadowed | seems unlikely, but thats about the only thing it could be I suppose |
| 03:04.36 | Iriel | Unless of course, blizzard released a full validated specification for the DBC format, anyone's "reader" is a reverse engineered guess |
| 03:04.49 | Shadowed | oh well |
| 03:11.33 | AnduinLothar | wow... thorim 10s after enrage lol |
| 03:11.45 | AnduinLothar | bubble pally killed him |
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| 03:14.36 | Lunessa | go-go-gadget bubble? |
| 03:14.54 | AnduinLothar | lol... he was swinging so fast i died simultaniously to two 83k+ melee swings. both 35k+ overkill |
| 03:15.11 | AnduinLothar | or maybe that was argent defender |
| 03:16.21 | Lunessa | In Ulduar, in nearly every fight past Flame Leviathan, if I pull aggro I'm just dead - I haven't bothered to look at the numbers. |
| 03:16.45 | AnduinLothar | it was a really sloppy kill |
| 03:18.33 | Lunessa | I haven't gotten to fight him, the furthest I've finished is Kologarn. |
| 03:19.40 | AnduinLothar | he's a bitch |
| 03:20.32 | durcyn | poor twitter. http://www.duelinganalogs.com/comics/2009-08-10.png |
| 03:21.01 | Dagmar | Meh. Last time I was there we dind't come anywhere close to killing Kologarn because our healers didn't have "the clue" |
| 03:21.16 | Dagmar | i.e., "You will heal people who go up in the hand, or we will fail. Period." |
| 03:21.44 | Dagmar | durcyn: Wow that comic is so wrong |
| 03:21.54 | Lunessa | From my stats page: Critters killed: 4156 - vicious bastard I am. |
| 03:22.37 | AnduinLothar | kologorn was liek the free candy boss |
| 03:22.49 | Lunessa | Though I'm at a loss as to how I have Arena HKs when I've never done one. |
| 03:24.02 | Dagmar | AnduinLothar: Well, as far as I know that's the first time healers have had something like the tanking "do this or fail" role in Four Horsemen |
| 03:24.21 | AnduinLothar | Lunessa: did you have intercourse with someone who had them? |
| 03:24.49 | Dagmar | There doesn't seem to be any other alternatives to Kologarn beyond "have ludicrously high DPS so he lets go" or "all healers drop heals on the grabbed NOW" |
| 03:24.52 | Lunessa | AnduinLothar: I suppose that's possible, but she SWORE it was her first time. I feel so USED. |
| 03:25.29 | AnduinLothar | it's not that hard... you jusr put all your dps on his hand when till it dies |
| 03:25.40 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Dagmar: o_0 wait, you had -healer- issues on kolo? |
| 03:26.08 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSan1: Yes. Being crushed to death two at a time would generally indicate there's a problem with the healers not paying attention |
| 03:26.18 | Dagmar | _Usually_ one person would make it through |
| 03:26.24 | Dagmar | Occasionally, two of them. |
| 03:26.33 | Dagmar | We had four trees tho, so I don't know WTF was up |
| 03:26.43 | NightHawkTheSan1 | that fights a fucking snore-fest for even -remotely- competent healers. |
| 03:26.49 | Dagmar | Maybe head-up-the-butt syndrome, but more likely fatigue |
| 03:27.03 | NightHawkTheSan1 | are you sure it wasn't just dps failure? if you dont free the person in a certain amount of time, they're auto-killed |
| 03:27.05 | NightHawkTheSan1 | no healing can save them |
| 03:27.10 | tem | Dagmar, if you don't dps the arm fast enough with people in there they get autokilled |
| 03:27.27 | NightHawkTheSan1 | the amount of actual damage they take before then is trivially healed by one healer |
| 03:27.39 | Dagmar | Well, we were all dying in the usual five seconds, nice and regular like |
| 03:28.10 | Dagmar | Ah I thought he lets go after five seconds |
| 03:28.21 | Dagmar | Musta been lazy ass DPSers then |
| 03:28.30 | Dagmar | ...although more likely people targeting the chest |
| 03:28.37 | tem | you have more than 5s to get people out |
| 03:28.40 | Dagmar | I remember the raid leader bitching about that |
| 03:28.58 | tem | remind your melee that you can target and dps the arms when standing at the chest |
| 03:29.03 | Dagmar | tem: Maybe you do, I don't. I've generally got about four seconds |
| 03:29.19 | Dagmar | I shoot what I'm told, always. |
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| 03:29.45 | Dagmar | Unless there's some seriously overarching condition, I'm like Pavlov's proverbial dog when you put a skull up |
| 03:30.09 | Dagmar | Say, something nasty is bearing down on the healer that's been keeping me alive... THEN I'd probably do a quick misdirect onto someone else |
| 03:30.27 | tem | misdirect? |
| 03:30.30 | tem | you're a huntard? |
| 03:30.38 | Dagmar | No. I'm a hunter. |
| 03:30.41 | tem | sadface |
| 03:31.07 | Dagmar | I'm one of the few that know my role is to be NOT on top of the DPS charts, but in between the tanks and the healers on the threat list. |
| 03:31.10 | Dagmar | I am where the buck stops. |
| 03:31.56 | Hirsute | Dagmar: And, nice that you know that. Now if I could only convince some of the raid leaders on my server of that. |
| 03:32.21 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Dagmar: the two aren't mutually exclusive, you know. ;) its just you need to remember which is -more- important. :P |
| 03:32.33 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSan1: Keeping the healer alive |
| 03:32.47 | Hirsute | Blizz made sure hunters wouldn't consistently top the dps list, and yet, there seem to be a ton of raid leaders that expect hunters to be there anyway. |
| 03:32.58 | Dagmar | Hirsute: That's because they're fifteen |
| 03:33.00 | NightHawkTheSan1 | meh, i dont usually rely on hunters to keep me alive. if they're doing that, someone is doing something wrong |
| 03:33.29 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSan1: You want the 'locks to pick the adds off you? |
| 03:33.30 | Hirsute | Dagmar: *chuckle* |
| 03:33.40 | Dagmar | That's probably not a reasonable expectation. ;) |
| 03:34.06 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Dagmar: well, I'm generally the one grabbing the adds of other healers and pulling them to the tanks, so.. ;) |
| 03:34.11 | NightHawkTheSan1 | <-- arrogant shaman |
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| 03:34.16 | Dagmar | Hehe LOVE mail |
| 03:34.29 | NightHawkTheSan1 | mail + shield + frost shock = i can add tank, sure! ;) |
| 03:34.33 | tem | that sounds to me like you need to play with better tanks |
| 03:34.50 | Dagmar | tem: That is the mindset that results in overly simplified fights |
| 03:34.56 | NightHawkTheSan1 | nah, its usually only taking maybe one hit before a tank grabs it. |
| 03:35.04 | NightHawkTheSan1 | but better that one hit is me, instead of a priest or druid |
| 03:35.16 | Dagmar | You never, ever rely on a particular stacking of gear to make sure things happen in a given order when the ENTIRE GAME is based around a random number generator. |
| 03:35.24 | NightHawkTheSan1 | sometimes shit happens, i just know i can take more punishment than other healers |
| 03:35.32 | Dagmar | Eventually, you will get a string of outliers, and things will fall apart with no one to react. |
| 03:37.52 | Dagmar | Plus it's hella boring when you've got 5-25 people just playing Super Epic Sayian Whack-A-Mole |
| 03:38.04 | ReAn | so, what's the largest number of battlegrounds anyone's seen for any one given bg |
| 03:38.06 | ReAn | 50? |
| 03:38.08 | Dagmar | s/Sayian/Saiyan/; |
| 03:38.27 | Dagmar | Generally I only see one battleground per battleground. |
| 03:38.48 | Dagmar | Unless, of course, someone's being careless and gets their battleground in my battleground. |
| 03:38.50 | NightHawkTheSan1 | you mean how many active bgs appear in the queue window at any one time? |
| 03:38.56 | Dagmar | Then you just have battleground as far as the eye can see |
| 03:39.31 | Dagmar | Oh he means battleground instances in the battlegroup |
| 03:39.59 | Dagmar | Dunno. I've seen the list fill the window up but i generally click "next available" and barely even focus my eyes on the rest unless the list is just empty |
| 03:42.19 | Dagmar | I miss the old lagged-to-hell Wintergrasp |
| 03:42.38 | Dagmar | I really was about to do a recording of the tail end of one and put a YouTube video up claiming to be produced by David Lynch |
| 03:42.50 | Dagmar | The similarity was just uncanny. |
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| 03:47.18 | Shirik | another stranger me |
| 03:47.59 | Iriel | You're strange enough already! We dont need more! |
| 03:50.19 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:50.46 | Shirik | Iriel: What's more common, Cocoa or Carbon? |
| 03:51.43 | NeoTron | Chocolate milk, definitely |
| 03:51.59 | Iriel | Shirik: More common, I'm really not sure. |
| 03:52.22 | Shirik | is there any noticable difference? |
| 03:53.15 | Iriel | Well, there's no 64 bit Carbon |
| 03:53.28 | Iriel | which is a pretty big stumbling block if you're working in modern OSX java |
| 03:53.30 | Shirik | ok that's enough of a difference ^_^ |
| 03:54.20 | Hirsute | But Carbon (geologically and biologically speaking) is so versatile! |
| 03:54.21 | Iriel | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/151711/carbon-vs-cocoa-is-carbon-a-dead-end-with-os-x |
| 03:56.45 | kd3 | whee... glibc updates |
| 03:56.51 | kd3 | ponders |
| 03:59.52 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Shirik: short answer, use cocoa, long answer, google it. ;) |
| 04:00.10 | Shirik | kd3, why? |
| 04:05.43 | tekkub | stupid PvP question time! |
| 04:05.47 | ScytheBlade1 | 42 |
| 04:05.49 | ScytheBlade1 | nerf warriors |
| 04:05.50 | ReAn | lol tekkub |
| 04:06.10 | tekkub | the whole "full refund" thing with items bought with badges, does that work for arena/honor points too? |
| 04:06.14 | NightHawkTheSan1 | tekkub: "why is world pvp still in the game?" |
| 04:06.47 | tekkub | i.e. is there any reason to confirm purchase if gold is not involved since the refunds were added? |
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| 04:08.52 | Iriel | World PVP is still in the game to let folks with poor social skills and too much time on their hands grief players who're trying to complete quests in contested areas on PvP servers. |
| 04:09.09 | tekkub | aka, children |
| 04:09.30 | Iriel | I was going to say children, but I think those kinds of folks go easliy into the 20's and possibly 30's |
| 04:09.37 | ReAn | curious, what's the default window background/edge image names again? |
| 04:09.41 | ReAn | i always forget them |
| 04:09.44 | tekkub | age doesn't matter, you know that |
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| 04:12.26 | Dagmar | Lovely. It just started storming. |
| 04:13.15 | Dagmar | I get to ride home in the rain. Joy. |
| 04:14.31 | NightHawkTheSan1 | More people really need to listen to John Gruber: "The best thing that could happen for iPhone users would be for the Android and/or WebOS communities to start shipping apps that make iPhone owners jealous." |
| 04:14.56 | Iriel | Because then apple might get their head out of their ass? |
| 04:15.51 | Dagmar | Has it ever worked before? |
| 04:16.02 | Dagmar | Apple's always been pretty stubborn about ignoring competition |
| 04:16.29 | NightHawkTheSan1 | In recent years, that's generally because the "competition" has been shitty knock-offs and poor substitutes |
| 04:17.50 | Iriel | I found it amusing that a "rant against apple" linked on either slashdot or boingboing (I forget which) was essentially all about the iPhone |
| 04:17.59 | Iriel | WHich is an apple product I happily dont own |
| 04:18.08 | Iriel | (though i'll confess, it's because of AT&T that I dont own it) |
| 04:18.44 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Well, thats not too surprising, as Apple is all about the iphone right now. It's their latest fad. *shrug* |
| 04:18.46 | tekkub | I wonder what state AT&T would be in today without the iPhone |
| 04:19.02 | Dagmar | They'd probably still be f**king people over |
| 04:19.10 | Dagmar | It's AT&T. It's what they do. |
| 04:19.31 | ScytheBlade1 | That's not really specific to AT&T |
| 04:19.39 | tekkub | different ways of fucking over, I guess |
| 04:19.52 | tekkub | same great fucking without the touchscreen |
| 04:19.56 | Iriel | AT&T have a certain talent for it though |
| 04:20.15 | VonhintenHOME` | I'll take AT&T's fucking over T-Mobile's fucking... |
| 04:20.21 | VonhintenHOME` | T-Mobile can lick my ballbag |
| 04:20.41 | Iriel | Really? I've been relatively happy with T-Mobile (with the exception of their approach to G1 tethering) |
| 04:20.43 | NightHawkTheSan1 | *shrug* everyone has their own love/hate story about every different cell provider. |
| 04:20.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I dunno. I'm paying ~$53/mo to VZW for their ultra basic plan, and I think 250 text messages a month |
| 04:21.03 | VonhintenHOME` | T-Mobile is the only company that screwed me over of $400 |
| 04:21.09 | NightHawkTheSan1 | It's akin to a damn os war, really. No point arguing about which is better/worse. |
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| 04:22.03 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Iriel: by "approach to g1 tethering" you mean "you can't" or is there something new i missed? :P |
| 04:22.14 | Iriel | NightHawkTheSan1: That'd be it |
| 04:22.29 | NightHawkTheSan1 | yeah. that irks me. :( |
| 04:22.35 | tekkub | $15/mo cell phone here, and even that's too much for me |
| 04:22.47 | tekkub | WTB not-prepaid pay by the minute phone |
| 04:22.53 | tekkub | it'd cost me like $4/mo |
| 04:23.22 | Dagmar | With respect to f**king users, AT&T has more experience at it than just about everyone else combined |
| 04:24.11 | tekkub | so that means they cost more right? |
| 04:24.13 | VonhintenHOME` | I'm waiting for the class action lawsuit against the whole industry |
| 04:24.17 | tekkub | they're not some cheap whore |
| 04:24.21 | Dagmar | Exactly. |
| 04:24.34 | Dagmar | They'll f**k you like only an 80-year old... I'll stop there |
| 04:24.34 | tekkub | VonhintenHOME`: indeed |
| 04:24.53 | Dagmar | I don't wanna give someone nightmares |
| 04:24.59 | tekkub | I don't get where people missed the change from how landlines work to how cellphone "supposedly" work |
| 04:25.22 | Torhal | Flat rate for calls, and 10 cents per text, because everyone knows it's way cheaper to do date compression on voices than it is to transfer bits... |
| 04:25.31 | Torhal | s/date/data/ |
| 04:25.35 | tekkub | how is it really any different except that they have to maintain radio towers instead of hundreds of copper wires running to houses |
| 04:25.43 | Dagmar | That stuff is all about charging more for new services |
| 04:25.52 | Dagmar | ...because clearly if it's new, it must cost more, even if it's easier |
| 04:26.00 | Xuerian | tekkub: It works because they get more money, for one |
| 04:26.11 | Dagmar | ...and because people put up with their bullshit. |
| 04:26.26 | Dagmar | Me, I call Sprint and make them refund me ten cents every time some SMSPAM comes to my phone |
| 04:26.52 | tekkub | the funniest thing of it is, there's competition for cell phone where there never was for landlines, yet has any progress been made? |
| 04:26.54 | tekkub | no... |
| 04:27.02 | Dagmar | Actually there has been |
| 04:27.05 | VonhintenHOME` | collusion |
| 04:27.08 | Torhal | Yah..I never understood how the fuck they could get away with charging YOU for some random asshole texting you |
| 04:27.08 | Xuerian | Not to mention if they start high and go lower, it's easier for people to think they're getting a good deal |
| 04:27.09 | Dagmar | It used to cost more for a cell phone than a land line |
| 04:27.27 | Dagmar | Now at least they're competitive with that basic low end |
| 04:27.30 | tekkub | the only progress is in the actual phones, which is like attributing cordless phone "innovations" to bellsouth |
| 04:27.32 | Adys | now it still costs more, but you use your land line a lot less so you don't find out |
| 04:28.00 | Dagmar | Someone like Cricket had to start test marketing pay-as-you-go phones before anyone even came CLOSE to the same monthly charge for a cell phone as a land line |
| 04:28.01 | Xuerian | Torhal: That is one thing USCellular gets right, free incoming everything =| |
| 04:28.29 | tekkub | cricket is no different than the others though |
| 04:28.39 | tekkub | they just don't lock you into a contract |
| 04:28.50 | tekkub | you still pay out the ass for "features" like callerid |
| 04:29.17 | Dagmar | tekkub: When they started here ( we were one of their two test markets) they were half the price of anyone else |
| 04:29.31 | Dagmar | Now they just seem to be where all the stolen cell phones go. |
| 04:29.38 | tekkub | lol |
| 04:29.54 | tekkub | here they're $30/mo for the basic basic plan |
| 04:30.09 | tekkub | and that doesn't have shit for features, no cid, no vm, nada |
| 04:30.14 | Dagmar | They started here at $25 when everyone else was $60 |
| 04:30.24 | tekkub | my prepaid is $15/mo with both, and I never use up the minutes on it |
| 04:30.26 | Dagmar | ...but we had all those features then |
| 04:30.46 | tekkub | yea you want cid or vm on cricket, it's like $50-60 |
| 04:30.52 | Dagmar | Interesting |
| 04:31.06 | tekkub | yea it's all retarded, I hate phones :P |
| 04:31.15 | tekkub | my life is so much happier without mine |
| 04:31.56 | VonhintenHOME` | I'd drop my phone plan to the lowest I could if I didn't work from home |
| 04:32.23 | VonhintenHOME` | skype is only so good |
| 04:32.47 | tekkub | skype is usually better quality then any cell here |
| 04:33.07 | tekkub | which is retarded since we are LITERALLY line of sight to the two nearest towers |
| 04:35.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh. Sooner or later I'll find a way to bypass the phone companies almost entirely. Go VoIP |
| 04:35.18 | Dagmar | Not all cell towers are useful for all phones |
| 04:35.21 | Dagmar | Yay "competition" |
| 04:35.39 | Dagmar | ...which when it comes to cell phone providers generally means "built-in lack of compatibility" |
| 04:36.08 | Dagmar | Gods forbid everyone even use the same frequencies for CDMA or support both G and CDMA |
| 04:36.24 | tekkub | Dagmar: aye, I meant "tower clusters" sorry :P |
| 04:36.41 | tekkub | we live on a hill, the cell providers all build their towers in the same area |
| 04:36.57 | Dagmar | I live in Tennessee. It's _all_ hills here. |
| 04:37.01 | tekkub | and yet our reception is shit |
| 04:37.27 | tekkub | I thought you people called those "mountains" out there |
| 04:37.33 | tekkub | not knowing what real mountains are :) |
| 04:37.40 | Dagmar | No, the mountains are to the east end of the state |
| 04:37.50 | tekkub | the bigger hills? |
| 04:38.02 | Dagmar | Nah, the applachians are definitely mountains |
| 04:38.23 | Dagmar | People are just stubborn enough to live all the way up them, so you don't really notice as much |
| 04:38.54 | ccox | East TN is all hills |
| 04:38.54 | tekkub | Highest Peaks in Tennessee ... 1. Clingmans Dome Elevation(ft): 6,647 |
| 04:38.58 | tekkub | lawl |
| 04:39.00 | ccox | Central TN is half hills |
| 04:39.10 | ccox | and West TN is flat as it gets |
| 04:39.18 | Dagmar | The other half is valleys. Haha |
| 04:39.22 | ccox | <-- from Memphis |
| 04:39.41 | tekkub | right now I live at a lil over 5000... I grew up at 7000 .... both of which are at the BOTTOM of mountains |
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| 04:47.24 | Adys | is there any performance hit on having a table column accept NULL or not in sql? (particularly postgres) |
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| 04:57.34 | AnduinLothar | general seems to still be chain casting |
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| 05:07.09 | Shirik | Adys: Probably |
| 05:07.14 | Shirik | noticably? probably not |
| 05:07.45 | Adys | Django is very, very annoying |
| 05:07.53 | Adys | defaulting every column to non-null behaviour |
| 05:08.32 | Kraps | THE KID WITH THE BACKPACK |
| 05:08.34 | Shirik | "PostgreSQL improved this in 8.3, "an IS NULL condition on an index column can be used with a B-tree index". So the situations where you can be burned by trying to index something with NULL values have been reduced. But since NULL semantics are still really painful and you might run into a situation where even the 8.3 planner doesn't do what you expect because of them, you should still use NOT NULL whenever possib |
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| 05:09.00 | Adys | Shirik: got cut |
| 05:09.04 | Shirik | where |
| 05:09.08 | Adys | L whenever possi |
| 05:09.17 | Shirik | whenever possible to lower your chances of running into a badly optimized query." |
| 05:09.36 | Shirik | so basically "It used to suck, now it doesn't really, but you should still play it safe anywaY" |
| 05:09.41 | Adys | hmmm |
| 05:09.44 | Adys | ok fair enough |
| 05:09.51 | Shirik | does pgsql have EXPLAIN |
| 05:09.58 | Adys | No idea what that is |
| 05:10.11 | Shirik | .. |
| 05:10.12 | Shirik | really? |
| 05:10.17 | Shirik | fuck pgsql |
| 05:11.11 | Adys | postgres is great |
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| 05:12.45 | Shirik | Adys: http://wowi.pastey.net/120787 |
| 05:12.53 | Shirik | Helps you understand HOW the database is going to perform the query |
| 05:13.06 | Shirik | so you can determine things like "that second query is going to destroy your performance if you do it" |
| 05:14.17 | Adys | actually |
| 05:14.22 | Adys | pg has explain |
| 05:16.01 | Shirik | fuck pgsql anyway |
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| 05:21.27 | Shirik | mpdelbuono@li23-154 ~ $ ./performanceTest.sh |
| 05:21.27 | Shirik | Running 5000 queries on MySQL... Done! Elapsed time: 2.124s |
| 05:21.27 | Shirik | Running 5000 queries on pgSQL... Done! Elapsed time: 5.936s |
| 05:21.30 | Shirik | Adys^ |
| 05:21.37 | Shirik | Obviously MySQL is better |
| 05:23.55 | Shirik | My guildmate just got #1 in killing blows in PvP for lvl 11 priests |
| 05:24.02 | Shirik | His total KBs: 1 |
| 05:29.37 | ReAn | lol, i've been away from lua for so long |
| 05:29.42 | ReAn | i built a nested for loop |
| 05:29.51 | ReAn | and couldn't figure out wtf was wrong w/ indexes and shit |
| 05:30.10 | ReAn | cuz i forgot the standard for lua dosen't start @ index 0 |
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| 05:36.19 | Shirik | rofl |
| 05:36.32 | Shirik | nmap just found an unprotected print server on our network |
| 05:36.35 | Shirik | must be my roommate upstairs |
| 05:36.46 | Shirik | Logged into it and there's this big shiny button that starts the scanner |
| 05:37.08 | Nechckn | do eeeetttt!! |
| 05:37.42 | Nechckn | Then tell them of the ghosts that are said to haunt the house - they are known to activate electronics! |
| 05:37.58 | Shirik | I'm really trying to find mr. torrent |
| 05:38.00 | Nechckn | They'll have "Ghost Hunters" there in no time flat. |
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| 05:40.31 | A-KO | so I have come to the conclusion that UI making is quite a bit of a pain in the ass :P but overall quite satisfying |
| 05:40.34 | Shirik | what do torrents run on |
| 05:40.35 | Shirik | UDP? |
| 05:40.41 | A-KO | tcp I thought |
| 05:40.46 | A-KO | pretty sure it's tcp |
| 05:40.58 | tekkub | I vote TCP as well |
| 05:41.02 | zenzio | originally it's TCP, but there was talk about some clients moving to UD |
| 05:41.04 | zenzio | +P |
| 05:41.08 | Shirik | hrm |
| 05:41.16 | Shirik | I wonder why I can't find which one it is then |
| 05:41.33 | zenzio | http://arstechnica.com/old/content/2008/12/utorrents-switch-to-udp-and-why-the-sky-isnt-falling.ars |
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| 05:41.55 | A-KO | well torrent does its own hash checking and all so guaranteed delivery isn't too big of a deal IMO |
| 05:42.17 | Shirik | I still don't understand the purpose of people implementing their own data verification |
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| 05:42.54 | A-KO | I don't either |
| 05:43.13 | A-KO | but udp is a good "catch all" protocol over IP if you just don't give a shit |
| 05:44.00 | A-KO | particularly with the changes made in Windows Vista and Windows 7 with regards to TCP |
| 05:44.03 | A-KO | and data transfer |
| 05:45.11 | ZorbaBeta | shirik, tcp isn't perfect |
| 05:45.31 | ZorbaBeta | it corrupts data reasonably often |
| 05:45.32 | Shirik | Please name something that is |
| 05:45.42 | Shirik | "reasonably often"? |
| 05:45.46 | bluspacecow | oh hai |
| 05:45.48 | ZorbaBeta | md5 is pretty damn close |
| 05:46.12 | ZorbaBeta | tcp only has a 16-bit checksum. that's not a lot of certainty. |
| 05:46.33 | Shirik | uh |
| 05:46.37 | Shirik | it's a hell of a lot of certainty |
| 05:46.53 | ZorbaBeta | no, it's 1/65536. if you're on a flaky or noisy connection that just won't be enough |
| 05:46.58 | Shirik | Wrong |
| 05:47.17 | Shirik | You are looking at the problem from the wrong angle |
| 05:47.25 | Shirik | Please tell me how you manage to corrupt one (or more) bits in a stream AND simulatenously corrupt the appropriate bits in the checksum at the same time |
| 05:47.30 | Shirik | That's not 1/65536 |
| 05:47.50 | ZorbaBeta | through pure bloody bad luck? :P |
| 05:47.58 | A-KO | that's gotta be some seriously bad luck |
| 05:47.59 | Shirik | It's not even close to 1/2^16 |
| 05:48.26 | ZorbaBeta | if you take a data packet and randomly corrupt 16 bytes in the middle of it, you've got around a 1/2^16 chance of it still passing the checksum |
| 05:48.36 | ZorbaBeta | yes, the tcp checksum protects perfectly against single-bit errors |
| 05:48.50 | ZorbaBeta | if you've got something heftier than single-bit errors it just comes down to the old pigeonhole principle |
| 05:48.54 | Shirik | regardless |
| 05:49.00 | Shirik | there's two layers performing checks |
| 05:50.27 | ZorbaBeta | all I can tell you is that I've seen data corruption on ftp downloads, on http downloads, and on bittorrent (the latter being caught and dealt with) |
| 05:50.39 | Shirik | I don't remember the last time I ever got something through HTTP that was corrupt |
| 05:50.47 | Shirik | And it's not like I've only been using computers for a few years |
| 05:50.51 | Arrowmaster | yeah bittorrent almost always ends up getting some data thats corrupt |
| 05:50.53 | A-KO | yeah I can't either....tbh |
| 05:51.16 | Shirik | And HTTP has _zero_ checks beyond TCP |
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| 05:51.38 | ZorbaBeta | I mean, hell, there's a guy on the WowInterface QH thread right now talking about how he keeps getting corrupted downloads |
| 05:51.44 | A-KO | his computer |
| 05:51.48 | A-KO | IMO |
| 05:51.59 | A-KO | browser, drive, viruses, something :P |
| 05:52.03 | ZorbaBeta | Maybe. I suspect he downloaded it once, got it fucked up, and now it's cached |
| 05:52.03 | Shirik | You're going to tell me he keeps hitting that 1/65536 (or whatever) rate? |
| 05:52.07 | Thunder_Child | i would like to thank nvidia for being unable to beta test a driver. |
| 05:52.12 | zenzio | the main problem I have with HTTP downloads is when the server for some reason stops sending data prematurely |
| 05:52.14 | ZorbaBeta | no, I'm going to tell you it's cached :) |
| 05:52.16 | Thunder_Child | smashes nividia |
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| 05:52.42 | Adys | man this is terrible |
| 05:53.03 | Thunder_Child | i installed the newest driver 4 hours ago and have recived 2 bsod's already |
| 05:53.03 | Shirik | zenzio: The main problem I have with HTTP is that the protocol doesn't make sense for what we do with it today |
| 05:53.17 | zenzio | Shirik: such as? |
| 05:53.48 | Shirik | Seems like every site retains a "connection" to the user, but everyone has to hack through it with cookies |
| 05:53.50 | Adys | reducing bugs really makes you want to murder some web devs |
| 05:53.53 | Adys | if (null == document.FDetection) {window.location.href=window.location.href} |
| 05:53.56 | ZorbaBeta | anyway, in sufficient bulk, digital data starts degrading much like analog data does. unfortunate, and counterintuitive, but true. |
| 05:53.58 | Shirik | I would like to see a truly persistent WWW |
| 05:54.20 | Shirik | ZorbaBeta: When you hit that point, the server is overloaded and needs to be corrected |
| 05:54.20 | ZorbaBeta | I actually prefer it this way - it separates the layers better |
| 05:54.31 | ZorbaBeta | shirik, or you just have a whole boatload of data |
| 05:54.33 | Shirik | No |
| 05:54.36 | ZorbaBeta | yes :P |
| 05:54.43 | Shirik | There are very good algorithms for resolving and avoiding collisions |
| 05:54.49 | zenzio | Shirik: in that sense I think I would agree. But HTTP wasn't designed with that in mind as far as I recall, so I don't blame them |
| 05:54.51 | Shirik | And routers aren't stupid |
| 05:55.02 | Shirik | zenzio: I don't blame them either |
| 05:55.15 | Arrowmaster | my problem with http is the stupid \r\n line ending on commands! |
| 05:55.16 | ZorbaBeta | I'm not talking *just* about routers. I'm talking about cosmic rays, imperfect CPUs, hard drives that return slightly different data one time in a billion |
| 05:55.16 | Shirik | I'm just saying it's not what we should be using |
| 05:55.24 | ZorbaBeta | all of which adds up when you're throwing petabytes around |
| 05:55.31 | Shirik | ZorbaBeta: You're talking about acts of god which you are severely overestimating |
| 05:55.54 | ZorbaBeta | I am honestly not overestimating, I'm speaking from experience here |
| 05:55.56 | Shirik | There are so many checks on data integrity in TCP |
| 05:56.08 | Shirik | just to GET to TCP |
| 05:56.23 | ZorbaBeta | not just tcp - tcp, ram, storage, buses. there's many, many ways things can go flaky in unexpected and annoying manners, and it's impossible to fix all of them |
| 05:56.31 | Shirik | Ah yes, who could forget |
| 05:56.40 | Shirik | the last time my computer failed because of a cosmic ray flipping a bit of RAM in my computer |
| 05:56.44 | Arrowmaster | and so many shitty nic drivers that corrupt data still gets through way too often |
| 05:57.11 | ZorbaBeta | shirik, you seem to have a deep and fundamental failure to understand what "bulk" means |
| 05:57.14 | Shirik | No |
| 05:57.21 | Shirik | You seem to have a deep and fundamental failure to think logically |
| 05:57.31 | Shirik | do some research |
| 05:57.38 | Shirik | I'm not going to quote you MTF numbers here that have been calculated |
| 05:57.42 | Shirik | there is tons of research on this |
| 05:57.57 | Shirik | literally, tons |
| 05:58.02 | Shirik | Why doesn't HTTP have a protocol? |
| 05:58.09 | ZorbaBeta | I don't even know where to start with you, except to point out, again, that I've seen it and been involved with it |
| 05:58.10 | Shirik | It is easily the most widely used application layer protocol |
| 05:58.15 | Shirik | er, why doesn't HTTP have a checksum |
| 05:58.22 | ZorbaBeta | but if you're just going to make wild claims that you don't have any experience with, then, alright, have fun with that. |
| 05:58.32 | Shirik | I have no experience? |
| 05:58.39 | Shirik | Where do you get off thinking that you know me |
| 05:58.44 | Shirik | or what I have done |
| 05:59.08 | ZorbaBeta | well, the fact that you're claiming this is impossible indicates that you've never dealt with a network of such size that it was inevitable |
| 05:59.16 | Shirik | Please state where I ever said impossible |
| 05:59.21 | Shirik | I would love for you to quote me this one |
| 05:59.24 | Shirik | that would be awesome |
| 05:59.39 | ZorbaBeta | the entire damn conversation? :P |
| 05:59.47 | Shirik | After you realize that I haven't said it, then please remember in the future to shove your statements up your ass before you start putting words in my mouth |
| 05:59.48 | ZorbaBeta | unless you're admitting that it happens now, in which case, no argument |
| 05:59.57 | Shirik | I never said it happens, either |
| 06:00.04 | ZorbaBeta | does it or does it not happen? |
| 06:00.12 | Shirik | You seem to think "impossible" and "it happens" are the only two possible states |
| 06:00.14 | Shirik | this is not true |
| 06:00.16 | ZorbaBeta | in sufficient bulk, does digital data tend to degrade on its own? |
| 06:00.20 | Shirik | Again, you have a failure to think logically |
| 06:00.38 | Shirik | Define "sufficient bulk" |
| 06:00.44 | ZorbaBeta | here, I'll make your life easy. I've seen it happen. Do you believe I'm lying, or do you believe it happens? |
| 06:00.52 | Shirik | I believe you are lying |
| 06:01.01 | Shirik | I have no reason to believe you |
| 06:01.46 | ZorbaBeta | then, since you clearly have no interest in asking for information, I'm done with this conversation. |
| 06:04.24 | Shirik | lua> 1/(2^(16+32)) |
| 06:04.24 | lua_bot | Shirik: 3.5527136788005e-15 |
| 06:05.04 | Shirik | lua> 1/(2^(16+32)) * 1024 * 1024 * 1024 * 1024 |
| 06:05.05 | lua_bot | Shirik: 0.00390625 |
| 06:08.23 | Shirik | lua> 1/(2^(2*(16+32))) * 1024 * 1024 * 1024 * 1024 * 1024 |
| 06:08.24 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1.4210854715202e-14 |
| 06:13.46 | Adys | ~wowilogs |
| 06:13.49 | Adys | ~wwlogs |
| 06:13.50 | purl | You are probably looking for http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowwiki/ |
| 06:14.28 | Shirik|AFK | These aren't the logs you're looking fofr |
| 06:14.31 | Shirik|AFK | s/fofr/for |
| 06:14.39 | Shirik|AFK | screw it, typing horizontally sucks |
| 06:14.43 | Adys | I just needed the purl logs address |
| 06:14.54 | Adys | http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=16777 |
| 06:15.37 | Shirik|AFK | wtf is a "reduction" |
| 06:15.59 | Adys | http://webkit.org/quality/reduction.html |
| 06:17.27 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (n=elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 06:17.55 | Shirik|AFK | ah yeah |
| 06:17.59 | Shirik|AFK | I've seen that bug too |
| 06:18.07 | Shirik|AFK | it just floods you with gzipped data |
| 06:18.20 | Shirik|AFK | and chrome's all like "lolol" |
| 06:18.29 | Shirik|AFK | and then IE's all like "wtf is wrong with you" |
| 06:18.37 | Dagmar | I don't really know that that's a bug, per se |
| 06:18.42 | Shirik|AFK | and Firefox is all like................... NOTHING BECAUSE IT'S TOO BUSY EATING CPU TIME |
| 06:18.54 | Dagmar | Unless, of course, you'd like to set the upper size limit on what the browser is allowed to accept. |
| 06:18.56 | *** join/#wowuidev Thunder_Child (n=TC@WoWUIDev/PITA/TC) |
| 06:19.29 | Adys | gzipped html is very standard |
| 06:19.35 | Adys | and its read fine by chrome |
| 06:19.45 | Shirik|AFK | well he does raise an interesting point though |
| 06:19.47 | Adys | it just does something weird with pages ending in .gz which is a legitimate bug |
| 06:19.51 | Shirik|AFK | the website's name ends with .gz |
| 06:19.59 | Shirik|AFK | so, to me, that means "download a gzipped file" |
| 06:20.06 | Shirik|AFK | not "display a gzipped file" |
| 06:20.12 | Shirik|AFK | but that's just my interpretation |
| 06:20.21 | Shirik|AFK | I don't think what it's doing now is right |
| 06:20.21 | Adys | it doesn't matter about the url, the mime type should override it |
| 06:20.23 | Dagmar | When the websites name ends in .gz... |
| 06:20.30 | Shirik|AFK | I would at least expect it to either download or display |
| 06:20.37 | Shirik|AFK | not dump out a bunch of raw data |
| 06:20.37 | Dagmar | Yeah, "filenames" mean nothing in HTTP, man. |
| 06:20.48 | Shirik|AFK | Didn't we already go over "screw HTTP"? |
| 06:20.53 | Dagmar | Thinking they do has caused more problems with IE than you'd believe. |
| 06:20.55 | Adys | its not http |
| 06:21.08 | Adys | actually it is |
| 06:21.10 | Adys | but whatever |
| 06:21.16 | Shirik|AFK | IE is a problem in and of itself |
| 06:21.17 | Dagmar | Heh |
| 06:21.24 | Shirik|AFK | no reason for it to have its own class |
| 06:21.24 | Adys | what's happening here is handled by the browser |
| 06:21.34 | Dagmar | We had a hellish time getting IE to stop doing stuff like that when I worked for that medical place |
| 06:21.48 | Thunder_Child | 6 bsod's in 5 hours....tyvm nvidia |
| 06:21.49 | Shirik|AFK | The browser is doing SOMETHING wrong for sure |
| 06:21.56 | Adys | hey Thunder_Child |
| 06:21.58 | Adys | your comp sucks ass |
| 06:22.02 | Dagmar | We finally had to just chaneg the format of the query strings so the combined URL could never, ever end in something that looked like a file type IE might decide it knew what it was supposed to do with |
| 06:22.02 | Adys | go run a memtest or something |
| 06:22.07 | Adys | or stop failing at installing drivers |
| 06:22.10 | Shirik|AFK | what's the bugcheck? |
| 06:22.10 | Adys | its not nvidia's fault |
| 06:22.14 | Adys | everyone else's works fine |
| 06:22.16 | Dagmar | ...and it wasn't even consistent about it, was the worst part. |
| 06:22.23 | Thunder_Child | hey Adys, yes it is |
| 06:22.25 | Shirik|AFK | Adys |
| 06:22.28 | Adys | its not |
| 06:22.31 | Shirik|AFK | Adys |
| 06:22.32 | Adys | nvidia drivers are awesome |
| 06:22.33 | Adys | no |
| 06:22.35 | Shirik|AFK | stop being Microsoft support |
| 06:22.35 | Adys | they are |
| 06:22.37 | A-KO | my nvidia shit has been freezing in Dalaran ;P |
| 06:22.38 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: Which model card? |
| 06:22.44 | A-KO | on the latest drivers, randomly |
| 06:22.47 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, 275 |
| 06:22.47 | A-KO | just freeze, no bsod though |
| 06:22.55 | Dagmar | One of the GTXs? |
| 06:22.56 | Shirik|AFK | Thunder_Child: Have you tried reverting? |
| 06:23.00 | Adys | use 28x |
| 06:23.03 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|AFK, i did, working fine |
| 06:23.05 | Adys | they are awesome |
| 06:23.05 | Dagmar | I'd think maybe it would be time to look at the power supply |
| 06:23.12 | Thunder_Child | Dagmar, 750 |
| 06:23.19 | Shirik|AFK | wait, working fine? |
| 06:23.23 | Dagmar | Those things get power HONRGY, Stitches-style when you turn up the 3D use |
| 06:23.23 | Shirik|AFK | I thought you just bluescreened |
| 06:23.27 | Thunder_Child | Shirik|AFK, it is after i reverted |
| 06:23.30 | Shirik|AFK | ok |
| 06:23.38 | Adys | Thunder_Child: grab 280.x |
| 06:23.42 | Adys | 280.18 iirc |
| 06:23.42 | Shirik|AFK | Well anyway, so exactly what is the past tense of "the action of encountering a BSOD" |
| 06:23.43 | Dagmar | If the PSU can't keep up, the thing will just fail |
| 06:23.47 | Adys | or was it 285 |
| 06:23.50 | Shirik|AFK | can you say BSODed or do you have to say bluescreened |
| 06:23.54 | Dagmar | Shirik|AFK: "Sodomized" |
| 06:24.10 | Shirik|AFK | I don't think deathed (sp?) is a word |
| 06:24.11 | batbot | Shirik|AFK, deathbed, death ed, death-ed. |
| 06:24.18 | Dagmar | "You've been win-dos'd!" |
| 06:24.52 | Shirik|AFK | Dagmar, help me find a remote code execution vulnerability in my roomate's computer |
| 06:25.00 | Shirik|AFK | I want his mac to show a bluescreeen |
| 06:25.03 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: IE has something almost as worse as the file extension crap |
| 06:25.04 | Thunder_Child | Adys, what i have (whatever it is) works, i'm tired of my system restarting to go fuck with it some more |
| 06:25.11 | Shirik|AFK | just to confuse the hell out of him |
| 06:25.14 | Dagmar | My 8600 hasn't done anything bad since the 3.2 patch, and that's when I last upgradedthe nVidia driver |
| 06:25.28 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: ActiveX? |
| 06:25.35 | Dagmar | Oh wait, no... Kill bits! |
| 06:25.39 | Thunder_Child | Adys, and what 280.x? it tops out at 190 |
| 06:25.45 | Adys | oh |
| 06:25.46 | Dagmar | Ah, we could be at this all day |
| 06:25.50 | Adys | im just being retarded |
| 06:25.54 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: the deciding that something sent as 'plain/text' with no file extension should be rendered as html just because it contains <>'s |
| 06:25.55 | Thunder_Child | no kidding |
| 06:25.59 | Adys | fuck you. |
| 06:26.05 | Thunder_Child | no thanks |
| 06:26.12 | Adys | please :( |
| 06:26.15 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Oh that's awesome |
| 06:26.23 | Thunder_Child | you didnt wine and dine me |
| 06:26.26 | Adys | The file /home/adys/webkit/webkit-hover.html was opened with UTF-8 encoding but contained invalid characters. It is set to read-only mode, as saving might destroy its content. Either reopen the file with the correct encoding chosen or enable the read-write mode again in the menu to be able to edit it. |
| 06:26.30 | Adys | FUCK YOU KATE TOO |
| 06:26.35 | Thunder_Child | i dont give it out for free you no |
| 06:26.38 | Thunder_Child | know* |
| 06:26.48 | Adys | cant you just fucking open it in write mode |
| 06:26.52 | Adys | or LET ME FUCKING SWITCH |
| 06:27.14 | Torhal | Adys: Vim, Emacs...Jed? |
| 06:27.22 | Adys | they all suck cocks |
| 06:27.31 | Torhal | But they open in write-only mode! |
| 06:27.33 | Torhal | :D |
| 06:27.34 | Adys | ah there is the fucking switch |
| 06:27.38 | Adys | sigh |
| 06:27.54 | Adys | kde devs are .. lacking basic knowledge of ui design |
| 06:28.01 | Dagmar | No, really? |
| 06:28.10 | Dagmar | Is that why they keep trying to clone the Windows UI then... |
| 06:28.11 | Adys | no but |
| 06:28.12 | Adys | basic basic |
| 06:28.18 | Dagmar | Oh I know |
| 06:28.20 | Adys | like |
| 06:28.24 | Adys | in the fucking STATUSBAR |
| 06:28.32 | Dagmar | Ah feel yo' pain an' suff'rin |
| 06:28.34 | Adys | there is this big bold "READ/ONLY" sign |
| 06:28.40 | Adys | I click on it? nothing |
| 06:28.44 | Adys | I right click on it? nothing? |
| 06:28.48 | Adys | no, where is the switch? |
| 06:29.01 | Adys | is it in "Edit", with "Overwrite mode", "Vi input mode" and 10 other modes? |
| 06:29.02 | Adys | No. |
| 06:29.05 | Dagmar | Like, for awhile, there was a big of a joke that girls would date me and then move into IT security... |
| 06:29.06 | Adys | It's in "Tools" |
| 06:29.07 | Adys | fuck off. |
| 06:29.10 | Shirik|AFK | omg vi input mode |
| 06:29.11 | Shirik|AFK | on what? |
| 06:29.13 | Dagmar | ...but I dated a QA girl for awhile |
| 06:29.14 | Adys | kate |
| 06:29.18 | Shirik|AFK | kate has that/ |
| 06:29.21 | Shirik|AFK | that's awesome |
| 06:29.22 | Adys | sure |
| 06:29.24 | Shirik|AFK | why did I not know this |
| 06:29.32 | Adys | because you're terrible |
| 06:29.35 | Shirik|AFK | I've been trying to turn all my editors into vim lately |
| 06:29.41 | Dagmar | Shirik|AFK: Yes, well, there are actually X interfaces for vi you know. ;) |
| 06:29.58 | Shirik|AFK | both my netbeans and visual studio now have plugins to make them act like vim |
| 06:30.14 | Shirik|AFK | however netbeans does it a bit strange in that / and ? don't work to "find next" or "find previous" :( |
| 06:30.32 | Adys | the wonders of non-reusable code |
| 06:31.02 | Adys | *** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser: double free or corruption (out): 0xf268b100 *** |
| 06:31.03 | Adys | yes |
| 06:31.04 | Adys | yes |
| 06:31.06 | Adys | keep doing that |
| 06:31.09 | Dagmar | Yeah, I do kinda wish there was some way to convince the guy maintaining vim to just turn the thing into a lib |
| 06:31.09 | Adys | I need that right now |
| 06:31.23 | Adys | oh yes |
| 06:31.25 | Arrowmaster | Shirik|AFK: im telling you thats not vim mode stuff! |
| 06:31.27 | Adys | Konsole is also wonderful |
| 06:31.34 | Adys | see all these fucking spaces |
| 06:31.44 | Adys | [09:31:02] <Adys> *** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/chromium-browser/chromium-browser: double free or corruption (out): 0xf268b100 *** <- that |
| 06:31.58 | Adys | no idea if freenode trims them but FUCK KONSOLE TOO. |
| 06:32.00 | Shirik|AFK | woot |
| 06:32.07 | *** join/#wowuidev alexxxx (n=alexxxx@79.107.162.37) |
| 06:32.14 | Shirik|AFK | mirc gets rid of spaces |
| 06:32.19 | Adys | probably not |
| 06:32.20 | Shirik|AFK | I can't actually type spaces |
| 06:32.22 | Adys | its likely freenode |
| 06:32.24 | Shirik|AFK | no |
| 06:32.25 | Xuerian | Freenode doesn't. |
| 06:32.27 | Cairenn|afk | Adys: haven't gotten any in a while, huh? |
| 06:32.28 | Shirik|AFK | beacuse I see it on my side too |
| 06:32.31 | Dagmar | You can't just code that into your client? |
| 06:32.36 | Dagmar | It's like five lines of dross |
| 06:32.40 | Adys | Cairenn|afk: Are you coming on to me? |
| 06:32.47 | Cairenn|afk | Adys: heh |
| 06:32.54 | Shirik|AFK | See these words have like 300 spaces in between them |
| 06:32.59 | Shirik|AFK | but to me, it looks perfectly normal |
| 06:33.00 | Adys | (I'm trained, you should've been warned) |
| 06:33.05 | Shirik|AFK | what does it look like to you? |
| 06:33.06 | Adys | Shirik|AFK: to me too |
| 06:33.09 | Xuerian | Your client trims those, shirik |
| 06:33.09 | Arrowmaster | if you use an mirc script for customized visual style it stripes out all repeating spaces due to a flaw in the language design |
| 06:33.15 | Shirik|AFK | that's what I was saying Xuerian |
| 06:33.31 | Xuerian | Shirik: Thought you meant on receiving, not sending |
| 06:33.38 | Shirik|AFK | oh is that what it was Arrowmaster |
| 06:33.41 | Xuerian | (or both) |
| 06:33.50 | Adys | Cairenn|afk: and no, kde apps just really, really, REALLY frick me off right now |
| 06:33.53 | Shirik|AFK | the mirc author is another person that needs to be shot |
| 06:34.04 | Adys | Shirik|AFK: and his POS irc client too |
| 06:34.05 | Dagmar | NO. |
| 06:34.06 | Shirik|AFK | I especially love his "security" |
| 06:34.10 | Arrowmaster | the language has no way of passing "asdf<space><space>jkl;" it just passes "asdf" "jkl;" |
| 06:34.10 | Dagmar | Shooting would be over too quick, |
| 06:34.14 | Fisker | slaps Shirik|AFK around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:34.20 | Shirik|AFK | Locks down the client to its "30 day maximum" |
| 06:34.24 | Xuerian | Shirik: miranda-im ftw. |
| 06:34.26 | Shirik|AFK | by sticking a timestamp in the registry |
| 06:34.45 | Adys | Xuerian: terrible, I used to love it |
| 06:34.52 | Adys | but hell it crashed all the time |
| 06:34.55 | Shirik|AFK | It's annoying every month I have to go to the registry and compute unix time to get my client back :( |
| 06:34.57 | Xuerian | Doesn't crash on me at all. |
| 06:35.00 | Arrowmaster | Shirik|AFK: just about all limited shareware does that |
| 06:35.16 | Xuerian | Adys: The older builds crashed, but the current stable build is quite stable |
| 06:35.22 | Adys | just about every limited shareware sucks giant horrible whacks |
| 06:35.23 | Shirik|AFK | I encountered some jo shmo program the other day that at least encrypted it |
| 06:35.28 | Thunder_Child | you know what Adys, i'm starting to long for Fisker's company more than yours right now |
| 06:35.35 | Shirik|AFK | that's what I would expect |
| 06:35.39 | Adys | Thunder_Child: YOU CAN SOD OFF TOO :( |
| 06:35.45 | Shirik|AFK | I mean I took one glance at the registry and was like "oh, so that's a timestamp" |
| 06:35.47 | Dagmar | They don't really bother terribly hard to hide how they mark the computer |
| 06:35.50 | Shirik|AFK | I could TELL it was a timestamp |
| 06:35.51 | Torhal | Thunder_Child: You sure they didn't swap screen names? |
| 06:35.53 | Torhal | :D |
| 06:35.56 | Arrowmaster | Shirik|AFK: usually all it takes is deleting the registry key and it gets recreated, xchat for windows does that too |
| 06:35.57 | Xuerian | Woe are we, no fisker, and instead, Ady. |
| 06:36.00 | Thunder_Child | i'd like to, but your in the place i normally sod off |
| 06:36.03 | Dagmar | ...because they know most people will figure it out in minutes, or be told by someone who did |
| 06:36.12 | Adys | Thunder_Child: you're |
| 06:36.23 | Shirik|AFK | Adys: What exactly is "sod off" |
| 06:36.34 | Thunder_Child | just diggin the hole deeper Adys |
| 06:36.44 | Dagmar | For awhile, AnyDVD would do it *for* you when you uninstalled it |
| 06:36.45 | Adys | its an acronym of "bsod" Shirik|AFK |
| 06:36.48 | Adys | .. ish |
| 06:36.51 | Shirik|AFK | really? |
| 06:36.58 | Adys | yes. |
| 06:37.06 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 06:37.10 | Xuerian | No... |
| 06:37.12 | Thunder_Child | dont listen to Adys |
| 06:37.12 | Shirik|AFK | ... |
| 06:37.14 | Xuerian | Sod off means "go fuck yourself" |
| 06:37.18 | Shirik|AFK | well yes |
| 06:37.19 | *** join/#wowuidev Vilkku (n=Vilkku@86-60-154-210-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) |
| 06:37.22 | Shirik|AFK | I know that |
| 06:37.22 | Torhal | Considering the Brits have been saying "sod off" long before Bill Gates existed... |
| 06:37.23 | Shirik|AFK | but WHY |
| 06:37.25 | Shirik|AFK | like wtf is "sod" |
| 06:37.34 | Shirik|AFK | well ok it's that grass stuff |
| 06:37.40 | Shirik|AFK | but how does that turn into "fuck" |
| 06:37.51 | End | sodomite |
| 06:37.58 | Xuerian | 0_o |
| 06:37.59 | Xuerian | Really? |
| 06:38.01 | Shirik|AFK | it's like that family guy episode |
| 06:38.05 | Adys | and hear shirik say "aaaaahhh." |
| 06:38.05 | End | so sez wikipedia |
| 06:38.12 | Shirik|AFK | where they have drive by arguments |
| 06:38.17 | Shirik|AFK | "I disagree!" |
| 06:38.24 | Xuerian | Shirik: which one, I wanna waaaatch |
| 06:38.29 | Shirik|AFK | I don't know |
| 06:38.31 | Xuerian | is bored. |
| 06:38.33 | Shirik|AFK | I just know that scene :P |
| 06:38.38 | Adys | s3e11 |
| 06:38.44 | Shirik|AFK | stabs Adys |
| 06:38.44 | End | ~wiki sod (vulgarity) |
| 06:38.56 | Shirik|AFK | End wins 2 internets |
| 06:38.58 | End | hm, that was a little spammy |
| 06:38.58 | Codayus | Shirik|AFK: A close cognate to "bugger off", as in buggery (which means sodomy, of course). |
| 06:39.25 | Shirik|AFK | wiki links are always spammy |
| 06:39.29 | Dagmar | Codayus: Have you ever read Terry Pratchett's books? |
| 06:39.37 | Shirik|AFK | Purl really needs to clean up before outputting |
| 06:39.37 | End | I have an extra internet I don't need now. |
| 06:39.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Srosh (n=Srosh@d019063.adsl.hansenet.de) |
| 06:39.40 | Shirik|AFK | Like |
| 06:39.43 | Shirik|AFK | stuff like this |
| 06:39.48 | Shirik|AFK | ~wiki USA |
| 06:39.58 | Shirik|AFK | how the fuck is that useful at all |
| 06:40.00 | End | haha |
| 06:40.02 | Codayus | Dagmar: Possibly. |
| 06:40.08 | Shirik|AFK | At least remove templates |
| 06:40.11 | Dagmar | Codayus: I find it hilarious that he's got a character that just walks around saying "buggerit... bugger him... bugger... buggerin'... bugger it..." |
| 06:40.12 | Adys | Shirik|AFK: its very useful |
| 06:40.13 | End | yeah |
| 06:40.21 | End | getting rid of templates would help immensely |
| 06:40.23 | Adys | I can see at a glance that "This article is about the United States of America." |
| 06:40.33 | Dagmar | Codayus: No american I've known ever seems to realize just how foul Foul Ol' Ron is |
| 06:40.41 | Codayus | Dagmar: Heh. Indeed. |
| 06:40.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Movix (n=Movix@mail.schiffmann.fr) |
| 06:41.07 | Codayus | Although that shows up a lot, of course, especially with the word "bloody", which really doesn't *sound* like it should be that serious a swear word. |
| 06:41.12 | Dagmar | I half expected to see them put him into one of the movies just to thumb their noses at the MPAA, who would also probably have no idea |
| 06:41.16 | Dagmar | ...and give it a PG. |
| 06:41.24 | Codayus | Hence leading to all sorts of cross-Atlantic offense andd confusion. |
| 06:41.26 | Adys | Codayus: depends how much porn you watch |
| 06:41.31 | Adys | and what kind of it. |
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| 06:42.14 | Shirik|AFK | the MPAA is going to hell |
| 06:42.19 | Adys | hey Bibi we were just talking about you |
| 06:42.28 | Codayus | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DidNotDoTheBloodyResearch |
| 06:42.29 | Shirik|AFK | the stuff they rated R 15 years ago would be like PG now |
| 06:42.45 | Codayus | Warning, TVTropes link. Will suck up the rest of your day if you aren't prepared. |
| 06:43.00 | Dagmar | Yeah but Foul Ol' Ron is "Foul Ol' Ron" because nothing but obscenities of the worst order are floating out of him allt he time |
| 06:43.02 | Shirik|AFK | The stuff they rate R now would have been NC-328 back then |
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| 06:43.11 | Dagmar | Not because he's filthy, that's normal for Ankh'Morpork |
| 06:43.17 | Vilkku | anyone happen to remember what event is fired when you enter a vehicle? |
| 06:43.24 | Dagmar | Like, THE definition of something that shoudl give a movie an R rating on the spot. |
| 06:43.26 | Shirik|AFK | probably RRU |
| 06:43.39 | Shirik|AFK | I mean, there's probably others |
| 06:43.41 | Shirik|AFK | but I bet RRU fires |
| 06:43.55 | Adys | You know whats terrible? |
| 06:43.56 | Fisker | awwww |
| 06:43.57 | Adys | html generators |
| 06:44.00 | Fisker | thats so schweeeeet |
| 06:44.03 | Shirik|AFK | you know what's terrible? |
| 06:44.06 | Shirik|AFK | Fisker |
| 06:44.12 | Adys | html generators still havent understood the fucking |
| 06:44.13 | Adys | fucking |
| 06:44.15 | Adys | fucking simple concept |
| 06:44.17 | Fisker | i had a pet alliance shaman Shirik|AFK |
| 06:44.25 | Fisker | who tried to kill me several times |
| 06:44.26 | Adys | of not spamming <FONT> |
| 06:44.29 | Adys | and when it's not <FONT> |
| 06:44.33 | Fisker | but couldn't because i weren't a n00b ;3 |
| 06:44.34 | Adys | .navsmall { font-family: Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 8pt; font-weight: normal; color: #FF0000; text-decoration: none } |
| 06:44.40 | Adys | .titu_lab { font-family: Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt; line-height: 12pt; font-weight: normal; color: #333333} |
| 06:44.45 | Dagmar | Right in the markup too |
| 06:44.48 | Shirik|AFK | who uses HTML these days |
| 06:44.54 | Dagmar | raises his hand. |
| 06:44.56 | Shirik|AFK | I thought XHTML was all the rage |
| 06:45.02 | Adys | this isn't html daftie its css |
| 06:45.03 | Codayus | Dagmar: Of course, from a certain POV, Foul Ol' Ron's dialogue really shouldn't deserve anything more than a G rating or so in the US. :-) |
| 06:45.09 | Dagmar | Yeah |
| 06:45.16 | Shirik|AFK | well he said "HTML generators" |
| 06:45.21 | Dagmar | Like any kids here would a) have an idea what he was talking about or b) care if they did |
| 06:45.31 | Dagmar | They'd just think he was saying "some british stuff" |
| 06:45.31 | Fisker | i use frontpage or microsoft word |
| 06:45.40 | Dagmar | readies an effigy of Fisker. |
| 06:45.43 | Shirik|AFK | lol word |
| 06:45.52 | Shirik|AFK | I use frontpage |
| 06:45.59 | Shirik|AFK | but only because it has syntax highlighting |
| 06:45.59 | Dagmar | God those things are criminal in how badly their HTML comes out. |
| 06:46.05 | Shirik|AFK | it comes out fine! |
| 06:46.08 | Shirik|AFK | I don't use its design view |
| 06:46.15 | Codayus | Hmm, I did not realize the derivation of "berk" before now. Interesting. |
| 06:46.16 | Shirik|AFK | oh wait, I'm sorry, that was dreamweaver I use |
| 06:46.18 | Shirik|AFK | not frontpage |
| 06:46.18 | Dagmar | With a jillion <B><I><B><I> tags |
| 06:46.43 | Shirik|AFK | I remember when I was in like 4th grade, doing webpages |
| 06:46.45 | Dagmar | If you *bold* a whitespace, Word puts that in the output |
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| 06:46.53 | Shirik|AFK | and I was like "There's no reason to use </p> it's pointless" |
| 06:46.55 | Shirik|AFK | and I never used it |
| 06:46.58 | Shirik|AFK | because it was more efficient |
| 06:47.00 | Arrowmaster | outlook uses words html rendering engine instead of IE's because of how badly word converts documents to html |
| 06:47.37 | Shirik|AFK | My favorite thing about outlook |
| 06:47.38 | Dagmar | Shirik|AFK: STuff like that is *why* we're just now (FINALLY! *shakesfist*) seeing the "intelligent machine parsing" that Berners-Lee and the rest were *talking about* the entire time they were putting together HTML 1.0 |
| 06:47.41 | Shirik|AFK | I sent a file to a coworker today |
| 06:47.44 | Shirik|AFK | on the same network |
| 06:47.49 | Shirik|AFK | he's like 30 feet away from me |
| 06:48.04 | Shirik|AFK | And outlook felt that the CHM file I sent him was "unsafe" |
| 06:48.09 | Shirik|AFK | and not only didn't let him open it |
| 06:48.10 | Dagmar | ...because regardless of what was intended, people took those seven basic tags, and just did whatever they damn well pleased with them, making parsing impossible |
| 06:48.13 | Shirik|AFK | it outright removed it from the message |
| 06:48.33 | Shirik|AFK | Like, I really don't understand how destructive Outlook is |
| 06:48.41 | Shirik|AFK | I have no problem with you stopping the user from downloading an unsafe file |
| 06:48.43 | Dagmar | Well, at least Outlook knows that Windows Help facility is unsafe and useless. |
| 06:48.48 | Arrowmaster | are you sure it was outlook that did it and not the exchange server? |
| 06:48.58 | Shirik|AFK | but you should ALWAYS permit the ability to override it |
| 06:49.08 | Dagmar | *snicker* |
| 06:49.09 | Shirik|AFK | yes Arrowmaster, it's fairly well documented "feature" of outlook :P |
| 06:49.22 | Dagmar | "My uncle sent me this, it has to be safe... Override!" |
| 06:49.29 | Dagmar | "Why is all this porn appearing..." |
| 06:49.44 | Shirik|AFK | but still I mean come on |
| 06:49.49 | Shirik|AFK | these computers aren't even hooked up to an external network |
| 06:49.51 | Dagmar | 30% more virus infections right there. |
| 06:50.13 | Shirik|AFK | and we're all software engineers |
| 06:50.17 | Shirik|AFK | I would hope we know what we're doing |
| 06:50.29 | Dagmar | ...which is why you probably shouldn't be using Outlook. ;) |
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| 06:50.56 | Dagmar | That's a bit like complaining that the Tonka truck you bought can't handle the strain of the chainsaw motor you want to mount in it. |
| 06:51.03 | sylvanaar | as a user - your stupidity effects their bottom line when it makes national news that you ran an exe out of your email |
| 06:51.06 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* looks like i lied |
| 06:51.22 | Shirik|AFK | Dagmar: Blame IT |
| 06:51.36 | Shirik|AFK | I told you about the virus scanner they installed that takes up 1GB of memory while idle, right? |
| 06:51.46 | Dagmar | You could email an actual live virus out to any 100 people, TELL them it's a virus and not to click on it, and at least one of them would do it anyway. |
| 06:51.49 | sylvanaar | thats fine |
| 06:51.57 | sylvanaar | i have unused 4g |
| 06:51.58 | Dagmar | Shirik|AFK: Yeah, that's a bit insane |
| 06:52.14 | sylvanaar | not being filled with anything |
| 06:52.16 | Dagmar | You have to wonder if the guy who pushed that policy out is actually subject to it himself |
| 06:52.22 | Shirik|AFK | well |
| 06:52.28 | Shirik|AFK | the guy that pushed it out doesn't have an 8 core machine |
| 06:52.40 | Shirik|AFK | so it's more of a "IT didn't feel like testing it on all target computers" |
| 06:52.53 | Shirik|AFK | I really would like to see what it does to our beowulf cluster |
| 06:52.55 | Arrowmaster | Shirik|AFK: have you tried testing the limits of it? |
| 06:52.56 | Dagmar | Oh so it *doesn't* go berzerk on single-core machines? |
| 06:53.01 | Shirik|AFK | no Arrowmaster :P |
| 06:53.08 | Shirik|AFK | Dagmar: IT spawns a new process for every core |
| 06:53.09 | Arrowmaster | give it a few zipbombs |
| 06:53.14 | Shirik|AFK | each process is about 130MB usage |
| 06:53.14 | Arrowmaster | see what happens |
| 06:53.30 | Shirik|AFK | and then it spawns an additional process beyond that which I assume is to manage all the other processes |
| 06:53.33 | ReAn | well |
| 06:53.38 | ReAn | im all ui modded out for tonight |
| 06:53.43 | Dagmar | I know I solved a similar problem at work by suggesting that perhaps we migrate certain windows admins into the same OU I was having to put up with that would peg the CPU non-stop for twenty minutes after I logged in |
| 06:53.51 | ReAn | hopefully i can crack my skull over battleground queue systems in the morning |
| 06:55.28 | Dagmar | Astonishingly that cleared the issue of whether or not that was a problem right up. |
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| 07:03.17 | ReAn | jesus spiel updates a lot >_> |
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| 07:12.59 | ReAn | ok, seriously, anyone know how to 'stomp' all 4 totems down at once w/ the new ui, so far all i've gotten is this fancy bar for my totems >_> |
| 07:13.06 | ReAn | i can put them down 1 at a time >_> |
| 07:13.40 | zenzio | don't you set up which four you want somewhere and then use some specific Call spell? |
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| 07:13.54 | ReAn | well i can't find the call spell |
| 07:13.59 | NightHawkTheSan1 | check your spellbook, there's 3 spells one for each 'totem set' that lets you stop all the totems in the set accordingly |
| 07:14.10 | NightHawkTheSan1 | i -think- they renamed them from 'call of ...' |
| 07:14.38 | ReAn | hrm |
| 07:14.47 | ReAn | time to jack my friend's account to portal my ass around |
| 07:15.22 | zenzio | <ReAn> time to jack my friend <--- never start sentences this way |
| 07:15.28 | NightHawkTheSan1 | i can probablay check in a few minutes |
| 07:15.49 | ReAn | no worries NHTS, i prolly have to go train it >_> |
| 07:17.00 | NightHawkTheSan1 | also possible |
| 07:17.25 | NightHawkTheSan1 | also, i think you only get the first one at 30? an the rest later.. so you may not have any/all of them, depending on level |
| 07:17.48 | ReAn | im lvl 70 atm |
| 07:18.28 | ReAn | my shaman got banked @ the start of WOTLK cuz i didn't like what they did during beta, seems the state of the shaman has changed/evolved a bit now tho |
| 07:18.49 | NightHawkTheSan1 | o_0 |
| 07:18.53 | ReAn | that and i was fucking tired of totem stomping eating up so much gcd, so this change has perked my interest again |
| 07:19.04 | NightHawkTheSan1 | *shrug* might be the case for other specs, i didn't notice a huge change from wotlk beta to now for resto |
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| 07:41.01 | NightHawkTheSan1 | thaaaaats cute. so you can fly OVER wintergrasp, but it still flags you, and you still have the 5m wait to unflag. fucking awesome. that's REALLY useful |
| 07:42.38 | A-KO | lol |
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| 07:58.52 | NightHawkTheSan1 | ReAn: if you didn't find it yet, it's Call of Elements/Ancestors/Spirits, and you do have to train them |
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| 08:15.08 | ZorbaBeta | I wonder what Blizzard is going to do when WoW runs up against the 2gb barrier |
| 08:15.40 | A-KO | I doubt it will get there |
| 08:15.55 | A-KO | even under the heaviest loads they've got plenty of space left |
| 08:16.04 | ZorbaBeta | I dunno, my WoW is using 1gb at this very moment |
| 08:16.05 | A-KO | I don't think I've ever seen it go above 1.5GB or so |
| 08:16.20 | ZorbaBeta | going above 1.5gb implies that it's 3/4 of the way to 2gb |
| 08:16.37 | ZorbaBeta | in fact, if you've seen it hit that, it would not surprise me if it started bumping up against 2gb regularly in Cataclysm |
| 08:16.47 | Elusive | It still uses a lot. Just sitting here in Orgrimmar, using 800mb |
| 08:17.08 | A-KO | ZorbaBeta: reduced raid sizes, preferably in cataclysm splitting up the factions again |
| 08:17.12 | A-KO | it won't even come close to it at that point |
| 08:17.19 | A-KO | unless they change how the game loads information, which I would prefer |
| 08:17.28 | A-KO | I would prefer a longer load time upfront than the streaming load system it does now |
| 08:17.31 | ZorbaBeta | is cataclysm reducing raid sizes to 10 or something? |
| 08:17.49 | A-KO | well I mean, you won't ever see it hit that limit in a 25.... |
| 08:17.52 | A-KO | back in the 40 days it meant something :P |
| 08:18.03 | ZorbaBeta | I'm watching it at 1gb right now, hovering in midair in Storm Peaks |
| 08:18.14 | A-KO | if you logged out and logged right back in |
| 08:18.17 | A-KO | it would be less |
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| 08:18.31 | ZorbaBeta | sure, but the peak is the important number |
| 08:18.37 | ZorbaBeta | as I recall, WoW has a tendency to crash when it hits 2gb |
| 08:18.46 | A-KO | reaaaaaaaaaaaaally don't think it'll hit 2GB |
| 08:18.48 | ZorbaBeta | (most software does) |
| 08:19.00 | Elusive | What would the best way for it to hit 2gb? |
| 08:19.03 | Elusive | To test this theory |
| 08:19.05 | ZorbaBeta | *shrug* I think it's threatening 2gb. if not Cataclysm, in the next expansion |
| 08:19.08 | ZorbaBeta | elusive, more textures, more models |
| 08:19.11 | A-KO | fire upa private server, spawn a bunch of mobs |
| 08:19.21 | ZorbaBeta | I would be surprised if the majority of that RAM isn't already textures and models (and sounds I guess) |
| 08:19.24 | Elusive | hmm, might have my friend do that then |
| 08:19.26 | A-KO | ZorbaBeta: I honsetly would love to see it use 2GB |
| 08:19.35 | A-KO | I want it to use 4 |
| 08:19.38 | A-KO | 5 |
| 08:19.40 | A-KO | hell :P |
| 08:19.43 | A-KO | I've got 8 total |
| 08:19.45 | ZorbaBeta | well, that's why I'm curious what they'll do |
| 08:19.55 | ZorbaBeta | passing 2gb requires special OS flags and/or 64-bit systems |
| 08:19.58 | A-KO | WoW probably won't break the 2GB barrier, though it would be nice |
| 08:20.19 | ZorbaBeta | (or complicated coding without a flat address space) |
| 08:20.20 | A-KO | I would prefer it to use 2GB-3GB and have less hitting to my HD during gameplay |
| 08:20.38 | A-KO | but with SSDs coming out and dropping in price like rocks that might not matter anymore |
| 08:20.43 | A-KO | I already symlink my cache directory to my raid 0 |
| 08:21.03 | A-KO | I plan on getting the x25-m g2 later this year |
| 08:21.17 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I gotta admit I'm real interested in getting an X25 |
| 08:21.33 | ZorbaBeta | maybe once I'm using a TRIM-compatible OS |
| 08:21.54 | A-KO | I already am :P |
| 08:21.58 | Elusive | Now you're speaking chinese to me... Whats this x25-m G2? |
| 08:22.07 | A-KO | Elusive: newest model Intel SSD drive |
| 08:22.14 | A-KO | it's pretty much the fastest on the market save for the x25-e |
| 08:22.16 | A-KO | which costs $$$$$$$ |
| 08:22.28 | A-KO | the g2 offers trim support |
| 08:22.55 | Elusive | Looks like a laptop HD? |
| 08:23.01 | A-KO | both :P |
| 08:23.07 | A-KO | I'll be using it in my desktop for sure |
| 08:23.40 | Elusive | Damn. I'm so far behind on this technology talk. About a year and a half ago I would definitely know what you're talking about but now I'm just... getting lost ;) |
| 08:23.49 | A-KO | ZorbaBeta: I'm still not sure why people are afraid of using ram in their systems :( |
| 08:24.12 | A-KO | it's like "HAR I CAN PUT 8GB OF RAM IN MY SYSTEM BUT IT BETTER NOT USE MORE THAN 2!" |
| 08:24.16 | A-KO | kind of makes no sense to me |
| 08:24.24 | ZorbaBeta | same reason people complain constantly that QH is using 20mb of RAM |
| 08:24.28 | ZorbaBeta | namely, they're dumb. |
| 08:24.38 | A-KO | wow should switch to a 64-bit binary, load up all of the most common armor sets |
| 08:24.40 | A-KO | and just store that shit in ram |
| 08:24.45 | A-KO | if you have it available |
| 08:24.54 | A-KO | this way, running around cities isn't hitting your HD like it does currently |
| 08:24.55 | Elusive | I definitely agree on that one. |
| 08:25.01 | ZorbaBeta | one issue is that I don't really want WoW expanding to fill my RAM |
| 08:25.04 | ZorbaBeta | I do other things at the same time |
| 08:25.15 | A-KO | well no, but if you've got 4 or more, using 2-3 isn't going to hurt |
| 08:25.25 | ZorbaBeta | I mean at this very moment I've got 1gb consumed in things that aren't WoW and that's actually a bit low |
| 08:25.30 | A-KO | even a modest increase in ram usage by wow would be a huge performance increase |
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| 08:25.34 | ZorbaBeta | it's been up to 4gb before |
| 08:25.46 | A-KO | my next system will likely break the 12GB barrier |
| 08:25.52 | ZorbaBeta | in some sense I don't actually want WoW to cache stuff on its own, I want it to rely on the disk cache |
| 08:25.55 | Arrowmaster | so is wow suppost to even still be playable with only 1gb of ram? |
| 08:26.03 | A-KO | disk cache is bad :( |
| 08:26.06 | ZorbaBeta | although, really, I want some kind of OS-managed data cache support |
| 08:26.11 | A-KO | superfetch |
| 08:26.14 | A-KO | windows vista/7 |
| 08:26.16 | A-KO | go go |
| 08:26.24 | ZorbaBeta | the huge advantage to disk cache is that it can be smart about dealing with multiple programs running at once |
| 08:26.41 | A-KO | I'm not sure how superfetch reacts with wow, typically since wow's data files are so large |
| 08:26.51 | ZorbaBeta | superfetch *is* a disk cache :P |
| 08:26.53 | A-KO | I don't know if superfetch caches such large files or even chunks of files like that |
| 08:26.54 | ZorbaBeta | just a smart one. |
| 08:27.01 | A-KO | so it might not matter for wow |
| 08:27.25 | A-KO | using an x25-m windows will disable superfetch :P |
| 08:27.26 | Arrowmaster | superfetch wont do shit for wow |
| 08:27.43 | Elusive | Eww. damn those SSDs are expensive, lol. (Sorry, was newegging). Though their performance seems rather interesting. |
| 08:27.56 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: all depends on if there's any limit to what it caches or how it caches. Supposedly it's all data no matter what, but I have a feeling it's limited to files and such |
| 08:28.02 | A-KO | and I doubt it's going to cache WoW's large ass data files |
| 08:28.24 | A-KO | it's like defragmenter |
| 08:28.24 | ZorbaBeta | elusive, yeah, they're pricey. price is dropping fast though |
| 08:28.25 | Elusive | As it is with all technology. |
| 08:28.25 | A-KO | windows defrag won't touch files > 64MB |
| 08:28.33 | A-KO | x25-m g2 is $230 |
| 08:28.37 | A-KO | the x25-m up until this point was > $300 |
| 08:28.48 | A-KO | $200-$220 is my breaking point for tech for the most part |
| 08:28.53 | A-KO | so I'll be getting one |
| 08:28.59 | Arrowmaster | blame stupid ass ntfs for the defrag problem |
| 08:29.05 | A-KO | heh |
| 08:29.09 | A-KO | all file systems fragment |
| 08:29.12 | Elusive | A-KO - Ditto, I'll have to get one when I build my computer around spring next time (tax checks FTW). |
| 08:29.22 | A-KO | they're building a defragmenter for ext4 |
| 08:29.26 | A-KO | if it's not already out with it |
| 08:29.43 | Arrowmaster | right, but fat and ntfs fragment exponentally faster than other file sytems |
| 08:29.54 | A-KO | not really |
| 08:29.58 | Arrowmaster | yes really |
| 08:30.07 | Elusive | So, just speaking hypothetically, getting one of these SDDs, what type of performance increase could I kind of expect, switching form a SATA drive? |
| 08:30.10 | A-KO | honestly, ntfs is one of the better file systems out there save for the newer stuf flike zfs/btrfs |
| 08:30.20 | Arrowmaster | no ntfs is crap |
| 08:30.27 | A-KO | Elusive: boot loading will likely be the most noticeable. the random read and random write performance on them is very nice |
| 08:30.58 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: A lot of smarter people designed the core components to Windows and I trust their judgment and decisions on what a good way to do something is :P |
| 08:31.04 | A-KO | especially after you read their reasoning |
| 08:31.22 | Arrowmaster | i guess i should just leave this converstation now |
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| 08:31.24 | A-KO | yes |
| 08:31.26 | A-KO | yes you should |
| 08:31.28 | Elusive | They do get paid the big dollars, I would hope their expertise is greater. |
| 08:31.30 | Arrowmaster | since your an idiot |
| 08:31.49 | A-KO | Arrowmaster: Unless you've written operating system kernels or designed file systems you have about as much ability to comment on the subject as I do |
| 08:31.52 | A-KO | so I would say we're even |
| 08:33.16 | A-KO | Elusive: Microsoft's team found that defragmenting large files is largely pretty useless :P at least, from an access time perspective.....there is probably some benefit, of course, by moving the data closer to track 0 and all, but apparently it's not worth the extra legwork it would take to do it :P |
| 08:33.40 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I can believe that |
| 08:33.58 | ZorbaBeta | an extra half-dozen seeks on a 50 meg file is pretty meaningless, and on top of that, you don't spend much time bottlenecking on reading 50-meg files from end to end |
| 08:34.13 | Arrowmaster | and other filesystems arent retarded like ntfs and will actually leave some free space between files so that their size can increase without even causing fragmentation |
| 08:35.39 | Corrodias | huh.. how much space? |
| 08:35.51 | Corrodias | how are you going to predict a reasonable amount? |
| 08:36.05 | A-KO | My assumption is that if file > cluster size = fragmentation :P |
| 08:36.07 | Corrodias | most of my files don't change size, but when they do, it's by a pretty arbitrary amount |
| 08:36.16 | Corrodias | at least i think so. |
| 08:36.51 | ZorbaBeta | corrodias, when writing new files, it's pretty common for them to just end up hugely fragmented. if the OS placed it in a spot where it could grow a lot, that could be avoided |
| 08:37.18 | Dagmar | Most "modern" filesystems do this now |
| 08:37.48 | Arrowmaster | ext4 will even wait before writing the file so it can get an idea of how large it is to better decide where to put it |
| 08:37.54 | A-KO | http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/01/25/disk-defragmentation-background-and-engineering-the-windows-7-improvements.aspx < if anyone's interested |
| 08:38.02 | Corrodias | what do you mean? most of my files don't ever change size |
| 08:38.36 | Dagmar | Your machine writes more than one atomic file to the disk at a time, man. |
| 08:38.44 | ZorbaBeta | writing new files: downloading things, installing things, writing logs |
| 08:38.48 | Corrodias | images, saved games, most often the file is just replaced in its entirety if it's changed |
| 08:38.50 | Dagmar | IO would *suck* if it couldn't do that |
| 08:38.57 | ZorbaBeta | I would wager that virtually every file on your hard drive has, at one point or another, changed size. |
| 08:39.03 | A-KO | When I first save the 5MB file to my NTFS volume, the file system will try and find enough contiguous free space to be able to place the 5MB of data âtogetherâ on the disk. |
| 08:39.04 | ZorbaBeta | (namely, from "zero" to "not zero".) |
| 08:39.12 | A-KO | pretty sure that the windows engineer just said NTFS does that :P |
| 08:39.15 | Dagmar | If for no other reason than while it was being written it wasn't done all at once. |
| 08:39.21 | Corrodias | oh, streaming in the data? yeah, i see what you're saying now |
| 08:39.31 | Arrowmaster | A-KO: thats only if it knows its 5mb |
| 08:39.37 | ZorbaBeta | I don't actually know what NTFS does, note, it'd surprise me if it was still entirely stupid |
| 08:39.47 | Dagmar | NTFS does try to be fragmentation resistant, it just does a substandard job og it |
| 08:39.52 | ZorbaBeta | arrow, it could wait before writing the file so it can get an idea of how large it is |
| 08:39.53 | A-KO | ZorbaBeta: they make under the hood changes with every release |
| 08:40.01 | A-KO | but they don't really tell everyone |
| 08:40.07 | A-KO | and don't always update the major versions |
| 08:40.24 | Arrowmaster | theres huge differences between what NTFS does and what windows does |
| 08:40.41 | Arrowmaster | mainly windows does not make full usage of the features of NTFS |
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| 08:41.01 | Dagmar | It likes the slow ones |
| 08:41.25 | Dagmar | I accidentalyl unset my password last night. |
| 08:41.37 | Dagmar | When I set it again, it decided it needed to recacls ALL my files |
| 08:41.45 | Corrodias | i accidentaly your mom last night |
| 08:41.47 | Dagmar | That took about an hour. |
| 08:42.36 | Dagmar | For whatever insane reason, it might as well be rewriting every file it touches for the amount of disk writes that incurred |
| 08:43.09 | A-KO | interesting that it would do that on a password reset |
| 08:43.22 | Dagmar | Yeah it's the bit where "Users might be able to see your files? Would you like to stop that?" |
| 08:43.27 | A-KO | considering your guid didn't change |
| 08:43.29 | A-KO | or shouldn't have changed |
| 08:43.50 | Dagmar | They were _already_ set as unreadable by anyone but my login from about thirty seconds ago |
| 08:44.07 | Dagmar | ...yet it needed to write it all anyway |
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| 08:45.18 | ZorbaBeta | it's possible it was encrypting |
| 08:45.19 | Dagmar | W7 does not show signs of being particularly brighter about that either. |
| 08:45.22 | Dagmar | Nope. |
| 08:45.26 | Dagmar | I don't have it set to do that |
| 08:45.29 | ZorbaBeta | it's possible it was braindamaged |
| 08:45.40 | Dagmar | That kinda goes without saying |
| 08:46.05 | Dagmar | Under W7 if I go after my files on the other drive, it carps about needing to again, set some acls so I can be able to access them in the future. |
| 08:46.15 | Dagmar | That operation NEVER COMPLETES. |
| 08:46.38 | Dagmar | It starts filling a progress bar where it shows the file path, which reaches the end, and then just kind of gets bored and stops. |
| 08:47.04 | A-KO | never seen the issue |
| 08:47.08 | A-KO | so I dunno :P |
| 08:47.08 | Dagmar | Try it |
| 08:47.24 | A-KO | I don't multiboot my desktop nor have more than 1 windows OS on it at the same time (not counting VMs) |
| 08:47.55 | Dagmar | Windows' use of NTFS also does some dimwitted things with respect to volume names |
| 08:48.03 | A-KO | If you could give me a list of reproduceable steps, I've seen weird things like that if you transplant drives, it has to do that |
| 08:48.06 | A-KO | but if you're not moving drives, etc. |
| 08:48.09 | Dagmar | That W7 disk under XP you would *think* would be viewable |
| 08:48.14 | A-KO | well |
| 08:48.17 | A-KO | it's a newer version of NTFS |
| 08:48.41 | Dagmar | ...but no. You can see the drive, but anything you try to access, Windows coughs up an error about an entirely different (and nonexistant) drive letter. |
| 08:48.52 | A-KO | I haven't used XP in many years on my home PC so :P |
| 08:48.56 | A-KO | oh that reminds me |
| 08:48.58 | Dagmar | It's not actualyl a newer version that I've noticed |
| 08:49.02 | A-KO | yeah, it is |
| 08:49.02 | Dagmar | They both read fine under Linux |
| 08:49.13 | A-KO | eehhh, backwards compatible does not mean they didn't make a newer version of it :P |
| 08:49.22 | A-KO | I forget the minor revision we're up to |
| 08:49.29 | Dagmar | Still the way it handles that is nuts |
| 08:50.10 | A-KO | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ntfs#Versions |
| 08:50.39 | A-KO | I'll have to get that windows kernel book that's gonna come out soon |
| 08:50.56 | A-KO | pretty sure that wiki page isn't entirely complete |
| 08:51.46 | Industrial | hey |
| 08:51.53 | Industrial | you know what woke _me_ up today? |
| 08:51.57 | Industrial | gunshots. |
| 08:52.02 | A-KO | nice |
| 08:52.05 | Industrial | fucking rediculous |
| 08:52.27 | A-KO | I take it that's not common there |
| 08:52.30 | Industrial | yeah and I live in amsterdam. its illegal to have firearms |
| 08:52.36 | A-KO | lol |
| 08:52.47 | Industrial | makes me want to move >_> |
| 08:52.52 | Industrial | pew pew ima gangster |
| 08:53.00 | A-KO | friend of mine from Rotterdam stayed a few weeks in Baltimore here....and said to me when she came to have lunch "WTF kind of city do you live in?" |
| 08:53.02 | Industrial | fuck you evict them back to where they came from :| |
| 08:54.28 | Industrial | imo they cam drop people like that on a boat back to Curacao/Suriname (I'm being racist but it's the truth :p) |
| 08:54.59 | A-KO | haha |
| 08:55.26 | A-KO | My city is over 70% of one race :P I assume we're talking about the same.....and it has ~300 murders/ year |
| 08:55.34 | A-KO | within the city limits |
| 08:55.38 | A-KO | not counting the metro area |
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| 08:56.19 | Industrial | well most immigrants here are from Suriname and Curacao cause the countries are or were a part of the netherlands |
| 08:56.59 | Industrial | anyway, too angry, I shouldnt talk right now :p |
| 08:57.02 | Industrial | bbl |
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| 09:35.45 | augustl | does anyone know off the bat how the default chat frame renders chat messages? One frame per message? A list of fontstrings? |
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| 10:44.43 | augustl | "Grunt Komak says: GET A ROPE!". "Overlord Runthak says: Looks like we're going to have ourselves an execution". "Grunt Mojka says: You disgust me." |
| 10:44.48 | augustl | in orgrimmar. Who are they talking to? |
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| 10:47.22 | nevcairiel | you |
| 10:47.24 | nevcairiel | of course |
| 10:47.31 | nevcairiel | who else would disgust them |
| 10:47.43 | nevcairiel | well fisker maybe |
| 10:53.56 | ZorbaBeta | august, new Death Knights |
| 10:54.07 | ZorbaBeta | it's a canned event that happens when a DK exits the starting zone |
| 10:54.23 | ZorbaBeta | was pretty much 24/7 right after Wrath, but it's much rarer now. |
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| 11:01.04 | augustl | ah |
| 11:02.57 | Aelobin | does stance conditionals in macros work for DK presences? |
| 11:06.24 | Arrowmaster | are there any abilitys that only work in a certain presence? |
| 11:07.17 | _rane | that's completely irrelevant |
| 11:08.58 | nevcairiel | if you think about which classes have paging, its not so irrelevant |
| 11:09.05 | nevcairiel | and no, stances dont work for DKs |
| 11:09.39 | Arrowmaster | its not irrelevant, its the exact requirement blizzard has for deciding what stance conditionals work on |
| 11:10.10 | nevcairiel | afaik, there are no macro conditionals that work for the presences |
| 11:10.15 | nevcairiel | unless i missed something new |
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| 11:12.54 | augustl | hmm. ChatFrame.lua on line 6: `DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME = ChatFrame1;`. Where is ChatFrame1 defined? |
| 11:13.08 | augustl | yay, FloatingChatFrame.xml |
| 11:13.53 | augustl | tries to find the definition of the AddMessage function of DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME |
| 11:14.32 | augustl | doesn't succeed |
| 11:14.44 | nevcairiel | AddMessage is defined in C |
| 11:15.03 | nevcairiel | you wont find it |
| 11:15.07 | augustl | ah, no wonder then :) |
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| 11:15.52 | augustl | I'm not really looking for AddMessage, though, I'm looking for a adding-messages-to-a-scrollable-view kind of thing. I should probably look elsewhere for that I guess |
| 11:16.15 | nevcairiel | like the chatframe? :P |
| 11:16.20 | augustl | yep :) |
| 11:16.32 | nevcairiel | just define yourself a new scrolling message frame |
| 11:16.47 | augustl | that frame will get AddMessage if I do it correctly, ya? |
| 11:16.53 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 11:18.13 | augustl | oh, ScrollingMessageFrame is a frame type |
| 11:18.24 | augustl | this makes more and more sense |
| 11:37.57 | augustl | can anyone think of an example of ScrollingMessageFrame and a scrollbar? Instead of up/down buttons. |
| 11:41.19 | nevcairiel | shouldnt be too hard to do yoruself |
| 11:41.31 | nevcairiel | a scrollbar is just a set of up/down buttons plus a status display |
| 11:41.54 | augustl | hm, true that |
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| 11:52.36 | Fisker | OMG |
| 11:52.41 | Fisker | MLG is insensitive to gays! |
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| 11:58.03 | Wobin | MLG? |
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| 11:58.38 | Moncai | Can anyone tell me the semantic difference (if any) between string:format(L["Hello %s"], "World") and L["Hello %s"]:format("World") ? I think it should be equivalent, however the first form gives me the error "calling 'format' on bad self (string expected, got table)"... |
| 11:59.56 | augustl | what's the value of L["Hello %s"]? |
| 12:00.28 | Moncai | augustl, It's "Hello %s", since L is a localization array |
| 12:00.32 | krka | the first form is wrong |
| 12:00.42 | krka | you should use string.format instead of string:format there |
| 12:00.47 | augustl | Moncai: does "Hello %s":format("World") work? |
| 12:00.55 | krka | augustl: no |
| 12:00.58 | Moncai | krka, ouch, thanks! |
| 12:01.00 | krka | you need () around the constant |
| 12:01.08 | krka | it's a parser issue |
| 12:01.26 | Moncai | krka, no you're right, it's a typo |
| 12:01.40 | krka | http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.5.9 |
| 12:01.45 | Arrowmaster | lua> ("Hello %s"):format("World") |
| 12:01.45 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: Hello World |
| 12:02.12 | krka | The colon syntax is used for defining methods, that is, functions that have an implicit extra parameter self. Thus, the statement |
| 12:02.15 | krka | function t.a.b.c:f (params) body end |
| 12:02.17 | krka | is syntactic sugar for |
| 12:02.20 | krka | t.a.b.c.f = function (self, params) body end |
| 12:02.24 | Moncai | krka, Yes, I know :P |
| 12:03.30 | Moncai | I accidentally typed a colon where I should have typed a dot and hadn't noticed lol |
| 12:05.20 | Moncai | Thanks for helping :) |
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| 12:20.36 | augustl | hum. The ScrollingMessage frame adds messages to the bottom by default. If I set SetInsertMode("TOP"), it starts on the top, but adds new messages to the top as well |
| 12:20.45 | augustl | I want it to start on the top, and add new messages below the previous message |
| 12:20.47 | augustl | can it do that? |
| 12:21.25 | foxlit | ... if you believe. |
| 12:22.01 | augustl | wut? |
| 12:22.33 | Pneumatus | what happens if you insert the first message at the top then switch to bottom? |
| 12:23.21 | foxlit | dammit, the original lyrics are "/when/ you believe" |
| 12:23.33 | foxlit | Anyway, try SetJustifyV |
| 12:23.41 | augustl | yeah, it's on "TOP" |
| 12:24.07 | foxlit | Failing everything, you could mess with positioning to do what you want. |
| 12:25.19 | Pneumatus | filling from the top down, rather than top down in reverse, id guess |
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| 12:29.46 | Wobin | http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SqhhJb_P3Kk/SoCAHxdQA7I/AAAAAAAAIhs/VinFyJVZFQw/s1600-h/round+circles+optical+illusion.png |
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| 12:30.19 | sacarasc | That's freaky, Wobin. |
| 12:30.34 | Wobin | It's made from concentric circles |
| 12:30.36 | Wobin | not spirals |
| 12:30.42 | Wobin | and that's freaky >< |
| 12:32.33 | foxlit | I wonder if rectangle rotation has any particular effect. |
| 12:33.45 | foxlit | They seem to be rotating inwards more than what is defensible to make a circle. |
| 12:34.16 | foxlit | And they alternate. |
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| 12:36.15 | Wobin | http://video.yahoo.com/watch/5702544/14942419 looks to be pretty awesome |
| 12:36.21 | Wobin | got some good names in it |
| 12:39.55 | krka | freaky illusion |
| 12:40.06 | krka | it seems that they cross each other but they really don't O_o |
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| 12:44.04 | nevcairiel | the trailer looks nice Wobin, but i stopped trusting trailers =( |
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| 12:50.50 | Wobin | nevcairiel: Heath Ledger's final movie =) |
| 12:53.03 | Wobin | also, directed/written by Terry Gilliam |
| 12:53.17 | Wobin | So it, at the very least, should be interesting |
| 12:55.48 | augustl | where would I find the definition of "USE_EQUIPMENT_MANAGER"? It's in InterfaceOptionPanels.lua, as `equipmentManager = { text = "USE_EQUIPMENT_MANAGER"}` |
| 12:56.02 | Pneumatus | globalstrings.lua |
| 12:56.31 | augustl | ah, tnx |
| 12:59.31 | Fisker | omg Wobin |
| 12:59.45 | Fisker | Just because he won the oscar you think he's gotten to the height of his career! |
| 12:59.46 | Fisker | jerk |
| 12:59.59 | Wobin | It's all downhill from here =P |
| 13:00.03 | Wobin | (too soon?) |
| 13:01.07 | Wobin | Anyway, He's only ever been nominated =P |
| 13:01.51 | Fisker | i thought he won it |
| 13:02.09 | Wobin | 1986 Nominated Oscar Best Writing, Screenplay Written Directly for the Screen |
| 13:02.09 | Wobin | for: Brazil (1985) |
| 13:02.50 | Fisker | i was talking about heath ledger ;o |
| 13:03.00 | Wobin | Oh. I was talking about Terry Gilliam |
| 13:03.42 | Wobin | Perhaps I should have phrased it "Heath Ledger's Most Recent Movie" |
| 13:06.29 | Wobin | Wow, Depp, Law and Farrell donated their fees for the movie to Heath's daughter |
| 13:06.37 | Wobin | that's kinda awesome |
| 13:08.00 | nevcairiel | that sounds like she can live on that for the rest of her live |
| 13:08.04 | nevcairiel | life* |
| 13:08.27 | theorbtwo | Off of one film? Probably not. For a good long while, anyway. |
| 13:08.45 | nevcairiel | from the 3 actors? |
| 13:08.50 | nevcairiel | thats gotta be a lot of money |
| 13:09.34 | krka | depends on her lifestyle |
| 13:09.46 | krka | _i_ could probably live of it for the rest of my life :P |
| 13:10.15 | theorbtwo | Er, four, probably. I expect she'll get most of Heath Ledger's pay for it too. |
| 13:10.23 | nevcairiel | right |
| 13:10.43 | Wobin | well she wasn't in the will |
| 13:10.44 | theorbtwo | Maybe rest of her life money. |
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| 13:10.51 | theorbtwo | Wobin: Oh. |
| 13:10.52 | Wobin | which is why they donated it |
| 13:11.01 | Wobin | He hadn't updated his will |
| 13:11.11 | nevcairiel | Does everyone have a will these days? |
| 13:11.12 | krka | don't children get by default? |
| 13:11.20 | nevcairiel | not if a will says otherwise |
| 13:11.23 | theorbtwo | Ah. I don't really follow that sort of celebrety news. |
| 13:11.24 | nevcairiel | only if there is none |
| 13:11.26 | Wobin | krka: perhaps not if there's a valid will otherwise |
| 13:11.29 | krka | really? |
| 13:11.35 | krka | i think that's different from sweden then |
| 13:11.36 | theorbtwo | Depends on the jurisdiction. |
| 13:11.42 | krka | i don't think you _can_ will away everything |
| 13:11.52 | nevcairiel | i bet in the US you can |
| 13:11.56 | nevcairiel | they are crazy people |
| 13:11.58 | krka | probably right |
| 13:12.22 | Wobin | actually my bad |
| 13:12.24 | Wobin | she wasn't in the will |
| 13:12.24 | theorbtwo | The relevant laws vary quite a bit from state to state, as I understand it. |
| 13:12.28 | Wobin | but the parents aren't contesting |
| 13:12.36 | Wobin | (PS, Australian law) |
| 13:12.42 | Arrowmaster | well whatever is left after paying off any debts can perty much be willed away however the person wants |
| 13:13.19 | Wobin | http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,23663,24414154-7485,00.html |
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| 13:26.52 | Kraps | 31 IC bosses might have been a joke :( |
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| 13:54.42 | Fisker | That would've been the cancer killing WoW Kraps |
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| 13:56.01 | Fisker | wtf is wrong with Blizzard |
| 13:56.23 | Fisker | Is there any piece of melee dps gear WITHOUT Armor Penetration in the new instance? ;E |
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| 14:03.16 | Kraps | whats wrong with arp |
| 14:06.47 | Fisker | i hate it |
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| 14:06.55 | haste | ~lart Fisker |
| 14:06.55 | purl | takes out a cattle prod and gives Fisker a good jolt |
| 14:07.37 | Fisker | haste |
| 14:07.39 | Fisker | i hate you as well |
| 14:07.41 | Kraps | haste you can complain about but not arp |
| 14:07.43 | Kraps | :p |
| 14:07.52 | haste | >:( |
| 14:07.58 | Kraps | :o |
| 14:08.38 | Kraps | ok, WHY do you hate arp? its just another dps stat |
| 14:09.10 | ArmorPenetration | 80% of my damage is holy |
| 14:10.08 | Kraps | wtf fisker |
| 14:10.37 | ArmorPenetration | wtf Kraftman |
| 14:10.39 | ArmorPenetration | Kraps |
| 14:10.53 | Kraftman | :o ? |
| 14:11.07 | Kraftman | oh ^^ |
| 14:14.16 | Kraps | i had a dream that i level a rogue to 72 in 2 hours :( |
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| 14:20.49 | Kraps | anyome here play guild wars? |
| 14:20.56 | Shirik|AFK | why 72, Kraftman |
| 14:20.58 | Shirik|AFK | Kraps |
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| 14:21.14 | Kraftman | >< |
| 14:21.32 | Kraps | Shirik|AFK: probably because my DK is 72 |
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| 14:29.15 | Wobin | poor Kraftman =P |
| 14:29.28 | Kraftman | i should change my name |
| 14:29.31 | Wobin | victim of terrible tabcompletion |
| 14:30.00 | Wobin | at least have unique first two letters =) |
| 14:31.04 | Kraps | chatzilla doesnt complete names if there are names with the same letters until you get to a unique letter |
| 14:31.17 | Kraps | [10:31:47][INFO]2 matches for âKraâ: [Kraps, Kraftman] |
| 14:31.44 | nevcairiel | hah |
| 14:31.52 | Shirik|AFK | that's horrible Kraps |
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| 14:31.57 | Kraps | but if i typed a p or f, it would complete |
| 14:31.58 | p3lim | is it possible to create a rectangle, and put something in it, and it will "cut" the child object down to only view what fits in the square? |
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| 14:32.06 | p3lim | im making a scrolling config :p |
| 14:32.25 | Shirik|AFK | p3lim: Sounds like a job for (ew) faux scroll frame |
| 14:32.27 | Fisker | RAGE |
| 14:32.30 | Fisker | stupid people |
| 14:32.37 | nevcairiel | actually, more like the real scrollframe |
| 14:32.41 | nevcairiel | faux isnt really scrolling |
| 14:32.47 | Shirik|AFK | yeah that's what I meant |
| 14:32.47 | Kraps | hands Fisker a chillaxative |
| 14:32.51 | Shirik|AFK | I don't know why I said that |
| 14:33.02 | Shirik|AFK | probably just because I wanted to ew at ffs again |
| 14:33.12 | Shirik|AFK | fss* |
| 14:33.14 | Shirik|AFK | fsf* |
| 14:33.14 | Wobin | It's a well named acronym |
| 14:33.15 | Shirik|AFK | whatever |
| 14:33.18 | p3lim | :p |
| 14:33.19 | nevcairiel | the real scrollframe isnt much better |
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| 14:33.25 | p3lim | yeah im using a scrollframe |
| 14:33.29 | p3lim | a slider actually |
| 14:33.36 | Fisker | And this guy thinks that when you play music on a webpage there isn't some kind of format |
| 14:33.39 | Fisker | it's just sound |
| 14:33.41 | p3lim | but how to make it actually scroll frames is beyond me |
| 14:33.42 | Fisker | *facepalm'd* |
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| 14:34.05 | Shirik|AFK | Fisker: It's in speaker format |
| 14:34.19 | Fisker | ^^ |
| 14:34.50 | Shirik|AFK | When you play sound through a wepage your computer feeds an analog wire all the way to the source |
| 14:34.57 | Shirik|AFK | which is why it takes so long to start playing |
| 14:35.05 | Shirik|AFK | that "buffering" means that it's making the wire long enough to reach |
| 14:35.26 | Shirik|AFK | then you hear sound by it sending an AC signal along that wire |
| 14:35.26 | nevcairiel | fully uncompressed pcm would be the closes you can get to "no format", as thats what the decoders usually send to the sound driver |
| 14:35.35 | nevcairiel | but its huge :P |
| 14:35.45 | Shirik|AFK | by connecting it to a stereo system |
| 14:36.19 | Shirik|AFK | you know, sound cards really need to start putting codecs on the hardware |
| 14:36.31 | Shirik|AFK | There's quite a few extremely common formats |
| 14:36.33 | Shirik|AFK | it's not hard |
| 14:36.45 | Shirik|AFK | A DSP would be able to handle it so much better |
| 14:37.01 | nevcairiel | some cards have decoders for more cpu expensive formats, like DTS |
| 14:37.28 | nevcairiel | but those cards are pricy |
| 14:40.34 | nevcairiel | all the really common formats like mp3 are so easy to decode, that its really pointless to spend money on dedicated hardware for it, imho |
| 14:40.45 | Aqua | oh I'd kill for sound cards to be able to handle split audio outputs (like do digital coax) and a 6 channel audio at the same time |
| 14:41.11 | Aqua | by 6 channel I mean discrete analog.. |
| 14:41.39 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, especially inevitably buggy dedicated hardware |
| 14:42.15 | ZorbaBeta | there is really just no point to it. hardware processing is, and always has been, a temporary stopgap solution for general-purpose silicon to catch up. things move into expansion cards, then back into the CPU. it is the cycle of life. |
| 14:42.49 | Shirik|AFK | ... |
| 14:42.49 | Aqua | *cough* Aegis Physics Cards *cough* |
| 14:42.54 | Shirik|AFK | You are now just full of shit |
| 14:43.01 | Shirik|AFK | But I'm not going to argue this with you |
| 14:43.10 | Aqua | which one of us? |
| 14:43.13 | nevcairiel | physics moved from extra cards onto the GPU :P |
| 14:43.15 | Shirik|AFK | ZorbaBeta, as always |
| 14:43.20 | nevcairiel | not really the CPU |
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| 14:43.38 | ZorbaBeta | nev, c'mon, take a look at recent GPUs. they're basically just parallelized CPUs, they have less to do with graphics every year |
| 14:43.40 | nevcairiel | well as a last resort, but its still a hell of a lot slower |
| 14:43.41 | Aqua | oh split a hair or two, its still on a processing Unit |
| 14:43.51 | Aqua | not on a card anymore |
| 14:43.55 | Shirik|AFK | Nobody will ever move away from DSPs doing true sound work |
| 14:44.06 | Shirik|AFK | CPUs cannot do what DSPs can, nor will they ever be able to |
| 14:44.09 | nevcairiel | ZorbaBeta: they are parallized fpu units, cant compare it with a real cpu |
| 14:44.36 | ZorbaBeta | nev, they're a form of CPU specialized in a different direction. what I'm getting at is that they're losing their "graphics" specialty |
| 14:45.05 | ZorbaBeta | they're starting to have less to do with "rendering pixels" and more to do with "bulk parallel data processing", which happens to be what graphics needs, but is also what a pile of other stuff needs |
| 14:45.20 | nevcairiel | they are specialized for big fpu operations, and i dont see any cpu in the near future takign over that job |
| 14:45.51 | Shirik|AFK | People aren't stupid enough to have CPUs do that |
| 14:45.51 | ZorbaBeta | I'm saying they're a different form of CPU, not that the Intel i7 is going to take it over |
| 14:46.04 | Shirik|AFK | It is not a CPU. It is a PU |
| 14:46.08 | Shirik|AFK | The C means something completely different |
| 14:46.15 | nevcairiel | by that definition every processing unit in your computer is a "different form of CPU" |
| 14:46.24 | ZorbaBeta | but they have less to do with graphics. it'd be like selling a card with an i7 on it and calling it an "AI card" |
| 14:46.59 | ZorbaBeta | there's nothing in the i7 silicon that has to do with AI, it's just a coprocessor. similarly, "GPUs" are dropping a lot of their specialized graphics silicon and turning it into generalized floating-point parallelization silicon. |
| 14:47.40 | nevcairiel | there never was much magic involved in creating graphics, it always was about the specialized processing power |
| 14:47.50 | augustl | how would you override which function <Binding name="REPLY"> calls? |
| 14:47.56 | Shirik|AFK | nevcairiel: Everything in a computer is magic |
| 14:48.10 | nevcairiel | its just lately that people realized they could use that power for other stuff as well |
| 14:48.14 | augustl | e.g not bind a particular key, but meddle with the function that a particular key binding "entry" calls |
| 14:48.16 | nevcairiel | that didnt change the hardware much |
| 14:48.21 | nevcairiel | just created an interface like CUDA |
| 14:48.48 | Fisker | DirectX 11 has CUDA-like stuff as well :3 |
| 14:48.51 | Fisker | btw nevcairiel |
| 14:49.06 | Fisker | renew your wowsub and make a new statstain |
| 14:49.16 | Fisker | I'll provide amnesty |
| 14:49.26 | ZorbaBeta | it changed the hardware enough to consider it a general-purpose CPU. I mean, try to implement a pixel shader on a Voodoo2 |
| 14:50.04 | augustl | I could override the function that the binding calls, I guess (ChatFrame_ReplyTell) |
| 14:50.49 | Fisker | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1917993 |
| 14:50.50 | Fisker | lawld |
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| 14:51.27 | Aqua | hmmmm, thatw as interesting |
| 14:52.07 | Aqua | nothing like bluescreening a brand new computer |
| 14:52.44 | ZorbaBeta | aqua, it's not really yours until you win the battle for dominance |
| 14:52.57 | Aqua | oh its not mine period |
| 14:53.09 | Aqua | its my sisters |
| 14:54.09 | Aqua | she said she was having issues with it, so i told her let me look at it, a full hardware checked revealed nothing, and now it just bluescreen out of the blue |
| 14:54.12 | Aqua | thats interesting |
| 14:54.51 | ZorbaBeta | aqua, http://forums.majorgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=35246 |
| 14:55.40 | Fisker | just reads the error message instead of deciphering debug messages |
| 14:55.47 | Fisker | debug messages = memory dumps |
| 14:55.57 | Aqua | I can google and get my answer faster |
| 14:56.29 | Aqua | its probably something stupid like the printer drivers |
| 14:56.40 | Fisker | don't even have to google |
| 14:57.07 | Shirik | the error message does in fact contain useful information right in front of your eyes |
| 14:57.40 | Aqua | except when autoreboot is turned on |
| 14:57.46 | Aqua | which is now turned off |
| 14:57.47 | Fisker | l2disable |
| 14:58.04 | Aqua | dude, its my sisters, if i turned it off on hers, she's freak if it bluescreened |
| 14:58.13 | Aqua | she's dumber than a pet rock |
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| 14:58.48 | Shirik | lol |
| 14:58.54 | Shirik | "ooooh pretty" |
| 14:59.07 | Aqua | You about got it right Shirik |
| 14:59.20 | Aqua | she's one of the few people in this world that shouldnt' have a computer... yet... |
| 15:00.02 | Aqua | I mean, ffs, i had to put music on her ipod for her in high school |
| 15:00.53 | Aqua | oh Shirik, interesting point, Minion updated like 2 of my addons, and internal errored all the others |
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| 15:17.36 | Fisker | i am a raging psychopath |
| 15:18.08 | cogwheel | And a raging statetheobviousopath |
| 15:23.30 | durcyn | fisker is wearing his hockey pads and pedobear helmet right now |
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| 15:25.42 | Fisker | oh yeah cogwheel |
| 15:30.13 | Shirik | Aqua: Same error? |
| 15:34.09 | Aqua | Yea |
| 15:34.32 | Aqua | It updated Lightheaded, but exploded on everything else |
| 15:34.57 | Fisker | i exploded in your mouth |
| 15:35.07 | Aqua | that was the sour taste i woke up with thsi morning |
| 15:35.10 | cogwheel | Duman: lol |
| 15:35.28 | cogwheel | @ http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1917993 |
| 15:36.28 | Fisker | why so old news cogwheel ? |
| 15:39.48 | Kraps | wow http://www.wowblues.com/ |
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| 15:51.11 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:55.09 | Duman | heh |
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| 15:58.01 | Kraps | W |
| 15:58.03 | Kraps | T |
| 15:58.05 | Kraps | F |
| 15:58.14 | Kraps | "Good day and compliments, I know this letter will definitely come to you |
| 15:58.16 | Kraps | as a huge surprise, I am SGT. Vaja U. Mailier, a Georgian Soldier, serving |
| 15:58.17 | Kraps | in the Infantry battalion, Iraq." |
| 15:58.39 | Kraps | NIGERIAN SCAM 3.0 |
| 15:59.24 | Kraps | IN MY MAILBOX |
| 16:05.16 | selckin | -10 for reading it |
| 16:05.22 | selckin | -20 for annoying us with it |
| 16:05.27 | Aqua | hmm, anyone suggestions, quickest language to parse a folder with about 30,000 files in it looking for duplicates |
| 16:05.29 | selckin | -100 for not having a filter |
| 16:05.44 | Ackis | http://yfrog.com/5fgc9j hehe |
| 16:05.58 | durcyn | Aqua: shell script diff spam, obviously |
| 16:06.07 | selckin | md5 spam first imo |
| 16:06.31 | Aqua | on windows ? |
| 16:06.39 | Kraps | - 130 points? in what? |
| 16:06.52 | Kraps | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/splash-ozzy.htm |
| 16:07.07 | selckin | no md5 doesn't work in a language on windows |
| 16:07.37 | Aqua | debating what is the fastest easiest way to parse this folder looking for duplicates |
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| 16:08.19 | selckin | define parse |
| 16:08.45 | Aqua | loop through a folder and its sub folders looking for all files |
| 16:09.28 | selckin | pick $language you know, loop over em, keep a md5->filename map and done |
| 16:10.07 | Aqua | I could probably kick half of them out purely on duplicate file size |
| 16:10.32 | durcyn | you could've already done it in a cmd script by now, chatty cathy |
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| 16:14.10 | Aqua | last time I did it with cmd scripts it was buggy |
| 16:16.19 | Adys | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=91426.msg1279915 :D |
| 16:16.23 | Adys | someone reported that |
| 16:17.10 | Cairenn | OMFG! The rumour was true! Ozzy Osbourne is playing BC! |
| 16:17.22 | Cairenn | holy shit! |
| 16:17.24 | Cairenn | hahaha |
| 16:17.35 | ckknight | omg omg omg |
| 16:17.43 | ckknight | who else doesn't care about Ozzy Osbourne as much as me? |
| 16:17.48 | ckknight | :P |
| 16:17.53 | ckknight | <-- party pooper |
| 16:17.55 | durcyn | who the hell is ozzy osbourne |
| 16:18.02 | ckknight | some cokehead with a reality tv show |
| 16:18.14 | Cairenn | ckknight: you'll notice I /laughed/ :p |
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| 16:18.59 | ckknight | Cairenn: ...crafty |
| 16:19.06 | Lopeppeppy | She's a sly happy one. |
| 16:19.57 | VonhintenHOME` | playing BC? what does that mean |
| 16:20.11 | Cairenn | BlizzCon |
| 16:20.17 | VonhintenHOME` | oh |
| 16:21.14 | Lopeppeppy | pouts. |
| 16:24.16 | Lunessa | Ozzy - He's the fucking Prince of Darkness - and has been since 19-fucking-79. |
| 16:24.23 | Cairenn | exactly! |
| 16:24.30 | Lopeppeppy | *giggle* |
| 16:25.27 | Lunessa | http://www.saveie6.com/ |
| 16:25.45 | augustl | rofl! |
| 16:25.47 | VonhintenHOME` | I can't believe ozzy is still kicking |
| 16:25.59 | VonhintenHOME` | as many drugs as he's done, he should be 6ft under long ago |
| 16:26.21 | Lopeppeppy | He was. |
| 16:26.29 | Lopeppeppy | Then he came back out, and banded up with Dick Clark. |
| 16:26.35 | Lopeppeppy | Creatures of the darkness, unite!!!! |
| 16:27.21 | Lunessa | And now he's bringing Not one, but THIRTY JORMUNGAR.. |
| 16:29.39 | Lopeppeppy | Oooooh. |
| 16:29.44 | Lopeppeppy | Capture one for me? |
| 16:29.47 | Lopeppeppy | I've always wanted one. |
| 16:29.51 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
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| 16:30.31 | Fisker | K25125 |
| 16:30.31 | Fisker | DON'T SIGN THIS PATITION: http://saveie6.com ! IE6 needs to DIE *figuratively* |
| 16:30.35 | Fisker | trolled |
| 16:30.45 | Lunessa | Fisker = PWNT |
| 16:30.59 | Fisker | naw |
| 16:31.28 | nevcairiel | Is there any way to complete that download-survey? :P |
| 16:31.32 | nevcairiel | i want to see what happens! |
| 16:31.44 | Slafsinator | What the fuck is wrong with people, advocating IE6!? |
| 16:31.55 | Fisker | trolled |
| 16:32.22 | Slafsinator | :) |
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| 16:33.54 | Ackis | I signed it for you Fisker |
| 16:34.39 | Fisker | thank you Ackis |
| 16:35.02 | Lopeppeppy | ~hug Ackis |
| 16:35.03 | purl | ACTION jumps into Ackis's lap and huggles and *hugs* Ackis |
| 16:35.26 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 16:35.33 | Fisker | you should make an addon like statstain |
| 16:35.34 | Fisker | go |
| 16:35.44 | Kraps | <--- is always melee |
| 16:35.51 | Kraps | GW trial |
| 16:36.56 | Ackis | what;s statstain Fisker? |
| 16:37.58 | Fisker | it's your mom |
| 16:38.07 | Fisker | but also it's an addon that colors stats |
| 16:38.18 | Ackis | meh |
| 16:40.01 | Kraps | ~lart Fisker |
| 16:40.01 | purl | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses Fisker's head to break the homerun record |
| 16:40.44 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/08/11/funny-pictures-video-smart-and-hungry-kitteh/ |
| 16:42.11 | Fisker | ~roulette |
| 16:42.12 | purl | ACTION watches fisker pull the trigger: Click! |
| 16:43.54 | Bruners | hi Fisker |
| 16:44.48 | Fisker | Brunersmen |
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| 16:52.07 | Shirik | hi Fisker |
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| 16:59.06 | Lunessa | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19110416608&sid=1 |
| 16:59.50 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:00.33 | Fisker | don't worry Lunessa |
| 17:00.36 | Fisker | he's alliance |
| 17:00.38 | Fisker | that's normal |
| 17:00.45 | Lunessa | That's what worries me. |
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| 17:07.35 | mikma | ~wowalert |
| 17:07.36 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 17:14.17 | Torhal | mikma: I'm in ur commentz, makin' nonsense statementz! |
| 17:16.17 | mikma | torhal: hai lal |
| 17:16.32 | Torhal | twitches. |
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| 17:17.59 | mikma | torhal: i can't see you! |
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| 17:18.51 | Torhal | mikma: Oh, I'm actually not. I was simply thinking of that Lib comment that made no sense. |
| 17:19.08 | mikma | torhal: actually... |
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| 17:22.04 | Torhal | Bwah? |
| 17:24.10 | Lunessa | Need - http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unisex/itdepartment/a882/ |
| 17:24.59 | kneeki | Lunessa: I love it |
| 17:25.11 | A-KO | lol |
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| 17:27.07 | Coren{de} | I'd like this as a t-shirt: http://xkcd.com/583/ |
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| 17:27.47 | mikma | torhal: well, nothing.. i think you saw the reason behind the errors |
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| 17:46.52 | Kraps | cant jump/walk of heights in GW :/ |
| 17:46.55 | augustl | do we know anything about when/if dualspec is becoming any-number-of-specs? |
| 17:47.17 | Lopeppeppy | Why on earth would it ever do that? |
| 17:47.37 | augustl | "it"? (Was that for me?) |
| 17:47.58 | Lopeppeppy | Yes, why on earth would they ever expand dual to many? |
| 17:48.14 | augustl | because it makes sense to have more than two specs available |
| 17:48.24 | sacarasc | Some people would like more. |
| 17:48.37 | nevcairiel | some people are stupid, too. |
| 17:48.42 | nevcairiel | not that they necessarily overlap |
| 17:48.44 | Lopeppeppy | Some people want the friggin' moon, there's no reason why they should get it. |
| 17:48.45 | nevcairiel | but you know |
| 17:48.49 | augustl | in my case, mitigation tanking, tps tanking, arms dps, pvp |
| 17:48.50 | NightHawkTheSan1 | blizzard has given zero indication that they wish to add more |
| 17:48.57 | augustl | that's not stupid, is it? |
| 17:49.01 | nevcairiel | it is. |
| 17:49.01 | augustl | or at least tanking, dps, pvp |
| 17:49.05 | NightHawkTheSan1 | yes, it is |
| 17:49.08 | augustl | why is it stupid? I need it. |
| 17:49.14 | augustl | _I_ must be stupid, then |
| 17:49.15 | NightHawkTheSan1 | no, you don';t |
| 17:49.21 | NightHawkTheSan1 | your spec is a choice, you have to MAKE a choice, and live with it |
| 17:49.25 | sacarasc | Level another warrior! |
| 17:49.27 | nevcairiel | if you say so, augustl, we won't argue with you :D |
| 17:49.28 | NightHawkTheSan1 | thats why talent trees exist in the first place |
| 17:49.37 | Lopeppeppy | For serious. |
| 17:49.49 | foxlit | In fact, having respecs at all is just all too casual! |
| 17:49.50 | augustl | well, in The Real World i end up respeccing a lot |
| 17:49.51 | NightHawkTheSan1 | You should be damn happy that you have two specs, and that respecing is dirt fucking cheap |
| 17:49.59 | Lopeppeppy | ^ |
| 17:50.03 | nevcairiel | foxlit: D2 much? :D |
| 17:50.08 | NightHawkTheSan1 | 50g is like what, three dailies? :P |
| 17:50.09 | foxlit | nevcairiel: D2 much. |
| 17:50.10 | augustl | I jump a lot between tanking and dps for PvE, and occasionally I do arenas, which means I have to respec |
| 17:50.22 | augustl | yeah, well, it's the gold, but it's the effort, too. Takes a while |
| 17:50.27 | foxlit | So DPS in tank spec. |
| 17:50.28 | NightHawkTheSan1 | not really |
| 17:50.29 | augustl | the convenience of just pressing a button is very cool |
| 17:50.35 | nevcairiel | I bet they'll have respec in d3 =( |
| 17:50.39 | augustl | are you guys serious? I should DPS in tank spec? |
| 17:50.43 | augustl | gosh, I shouldn't have brought it up |
| 17:50.48 | NightHawkTheSan1 | i've seen prot warriors do it |
| 17:50.56 | Lopeppeppy | are you serious, that bliz should trivialize the game further because pushing a single button is cool? |
| 17:51.01 | foxlit | If you're too worried about respeccing, sure. |
| 17:51.01 | NightHawkTheSan1 | sure, tehy dont push out awesome damage, but no one really expects them to |
| 17:51.12 | nevcairiel | if you switch between 2 specs quite often, use the dual spec system |
| 17:51.14 | foxlit | There's no real "zomg I need to!" |
| 17:51.14 | Cairenn | http://www.nytimes.com//interactive/2009/07/31/business/20080801-metrics-graphic.html?hp <-- the think line right above tv & movies is computer |
| 17:51.19 | nevcairiel | if you something occasionally, go respec |
| 17:51.20 | Cairenn | s/think/thin/ |
| 17:51.35 | augustl | I'm telling ya. In the real world, I have to respec a lot. It's not something I'm making up |
| 17:51.47 | NightHawkTheSan1 | and thats what respecs are for |
| 17:51.52 | NightHawkTheSan1 | they didn't remove them from the game |
| 17:51.58 | NightHawkTheSan1 | you're FREE to respec as many times as you like |
| 17:51.58 | augustl | certainly not |
| 17:51.59 | nevcairiel | dual-spec wasnt meant to solve everyones problems |
| 17:52.02 | augustl | but it's a lot more convenient to press a button |
| 17:52.10 | augustl | I wouldn't mind paying 50g for every button press |
| 17:52.13 | nevcairiel | augustl: get talented |
| 17:52.14 | augustl | it's more about the convenience |
| 17:52.19 | NightHawkTheSan1 | lots of things are, you'll just have to put a little bit of fucking effort in |
| 17:52.22 | Lopeppeppy | Your convenience is another persons nonsense. |
| 17:52.29 | nevcairiel | one-button respec, just have to visit the vendor |
| 17:52.32 | NightHawkTheSan1 | news flash: you may have to actually play the game |
| 17:52.39 | augustl | haha you guys |
| 17:52.45 | selckin | but my castrandom macro works |
| 17:52.59 | nevcairiel | I like that beign a druid, we have a teleport to our respec guy |
| 17:53.06 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Cairenn: that's an interesting graph |
| 17:53.11 | Cairenn | nod |
| 17:53.14 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Cairenn: but I think it belies the fact that many of those categories overlap |
| 17:53.27 | Cairenn | won't disagree with that, either |
| 17:53.43 | NightHawkTheSan1 | nevcairiel: yeah, and then you're like "great, i'm in moonglade, now what?" :P |
| 17:53.50 | NightHawkTheSan1 | (course with 30m hearths, thats less of an issue) |
| 17:53.51 | nevcairiel | at least i respeced! |
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| 17:56.04 | augustl | this reminds me of the LFG interface. Something must be missing, since people still spam in /1 and /2. |
| 17:56.13 | augustl | hmm, on 2nd though, it's not really comparable |
| 17:56.21 | Shirik | kd3: ping |
| 17:56.22 | augustl | since you can indeed respec, it's just a bit less convenient |
| 17:56.33 | selckin | lfg was a good idea with a really bad implementation, they fixed it somewhat, but still :\ |
| 17:56.35 | NightHawkTheSan1 | the modern lfg interface is actually pretty damn neat |
| 17:56.54 | Shirik | Or anyone else good with wiki template syntax |
| 17:56.55 | foxlit | The problem with LFG is that it doesn't reflect the "Well, I might want a group. Convince me." mindset |
| 17:57.01 | NeoTron | people spam /1 and /2 to find people NOT LFG |
| 17:57.02 | Shirik | {{#ifeq: {{{3|}}} | inline | | <code> }}<span style="color:#{{{2}}};">{{{1}}}</span>{{#ifeq: {{{3|}}} | inline | | </code> }} |
| 17:57.04 | Lopeppeppy | Spam is a social problem. |
| 17:57.10 | NightHawkTheSan1 | foxlit: precisely |
| 17:57.26 | Shirik | Should not put <code> ... </code> if parameter 3 is `inline`, but it does anyway |
| 17:57.28 | Shirik | see what's wrong? |
| 17:57.29 | NightHawkTheSan1 | i hesitate to think any "lfg system" could really compare with a straight-up lfg channel |
| 17:57.32 | selckin | they should have kept lfg opt-out instead of opt-in |
| 17:57.35 | NightHawkTheSan1 | sure, it'll get spam, but *shrug* |
| 17:58.01 | NightHawkTheSan1 | selckin: nah, lfg should always be opt-in, but it should be trivially easy to join the channel without committing to a specific instance |
| 17:58.11 | foxlit | Shirik: you can't do that. |
| 17:58.18 | Shirik | I can't? |
| 17:58.24 | foxlit | (incidentially, that answer always works) |
| 17:58.25 | NightHawkTheSan1 | thats the annoying flaw for me. I can't just say "well, i might want a group, lets see who's looking" |
| 17:58.28 | Shirik | .. |
| 17:58.56 | selckin | NightHawkTheSan1: i agree, ppl use the zones for that mostly, but the channel should be there just like trade, free to opt-out to keep the spam seperated |
| 17:59.10 | foxlit | Don't start tags that you don't finish in template blocks |
| 17:59.28 | Vilkku | is the argument for PARTY_INVITE_REQUEST the name of the person who invites you or the name of the person who is leader of the group? wowwiki says "team leader name" but I find that strange |
| 17:59.40 | theorbtwo | Perhaps even better, make lfg default to on, for instances that are in your recommended level range, and for guilds if you aren't in one. |
| 17:59.47 | Shirik | I did foxlit |
| 17:59.57 | Shirik | or do you mean from within the template |
| 18:00.06 | selckin | no that would be bad theorbtwo, you'd get spammed with invites and wispers |
| 18:00.06 | Shirik | Like it will always be finished |
| 18:00.25 | Shirik | Well do you see another way to accomplish what I want to do, foxlit ? |
| 18:00.32 | theorbtwo | selckin: Er, how do you figure? |
| 18:00.48 | theorbtwo | How does me listening on a channel make me more likely to get invite and wisper spam? |
| 18:00.55 | Shirik | It seems like it's always outputting <code> and </code> |
| 18:00.57 | Lopeppeppy | theorbtwo, I'd seriously consider not playing the game if I were subjected to that much unwanted spam. Not everyone wants to see that trash. |
| 18:01.01 | Shirik | regardless of the parameter |
| 18:01.06 | selckin | i'm imagining the current system + that |
| 18:01.15 | selckin | i guess in your system you have channels per instance |
| 18:01.22 | foxlit | Shirik: perhaps I commented under the wrong assumptions. I'd have to test this. |
| 18:01.47 | theorbtwo | Hm. It occours to me that I've never seen how much trash is on the lfg channel. |
| 18:02.14 | foxlit | My suggestions would be to move to a single ifeq call |
| 18:03.50 | foxlit | {{#ifeq: {{{3|}}} | inline | <span style="color:#{{{2}}};">{{{1}}}</span> | <code><span style="color:#{{{2}}};">{{{1}}}</span></code> }} works |
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| 18:04.22 | foxlit | So does your original piece of code. |
| 18:05.24 | Shirik | hm |
| 18:05.30 | Shirik | then perhaps it's my other template causing the problem |
| 18:05.38 | Shirik | I have a template that calls this code |
| 18:05.54 | kneeki | Anyone recommend a good memory benchmark app? |
| 18:06.25 | Shirik | For example: {{Vscolor|{{{1}}}|0000FF|{{{2}}}}} |
| 18:06.37 | Shirik | So I might do that as {{Keyword|int|inline}} |
| 18:07.16 | Shirik | omg I'm a moron |
| 18:07.17 | Shirik | this all works |
| 18:07.59 | Shirik | thanks foxlit :P |
| 18:10.45 | foxlit | syntax highlighting using MW templates would be... odd. |
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| 18:11.05 | Shirik | I don't have much other option :( |
| 18:11.42 | Shirik | in the future I might make a template which auto-highlights, but that's for another day |
| 18:11.54 | Shirik | auto-highlighting template which uses these template,s that is |
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| 18:13.10 | foxlit | It's possible to get GeSHi to work with MW, actually. |
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| 18:14.40 | augustl | imagine a raid of 40 people where 30-40% tries to command everyone, and the rest doesn't know what to do |
| 18:14.42 | augustl | bgs ftw |
| 18:15.07 | zenzelezz | sounds like 8th grade |
| 18:15.20 | foxlit | Is there really no middle ground? |
| 18:16.12 | Lopeppeppy | Seems to work fine to me to have a raid leader explain, everyone else follow their lead. |
| 18:16.56 | augustl | where's this raid leader you talk of |
| 18:17.04 | augustl | I don't think I have met him |
| 18:17.07 | Hjalte | augustl: I am the leader, and that is why you all need to listen to me. |
| 18:17.22 | augustl | I see, that will fix my problems, ya? |
| 18:17.40 | Hjalte | Oh and someone should link that comic. |
| 18:18.16 | Lopeppeppy | If you have a good leader, yes. |
| 18:18.24 | Lopeppeppy | If you think you're so good, be the leader yourself, see what it's like. |
| 18:20.44 | Shirik | hi Lopeppeppy |
| 18:21.17 | foxlit | In battlegrounds, though, there's no leader to speak of. |
| 18:21.35 | foxlit | Sure, someone arbitrarily gets the crown, but that represents virtually nothing and changes heads every so often. |
| 18:22.44 | Lopeppeppy | Hi hi Shirik |
| 18:24.20 | Aqua | ~wowalert |
| 18:24.21 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 18:24.40 | Aqua | hmmm, none up there yet my server is "offline" |
| 18:25.52 | Lopeppeppy | It's Tuesday, I doubt they have alerts for maintenance days. |
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| 18:26.13 | Aqua | seen it before |
| 18:26.16 | Cidwel | hello all! |
| 18:26.30 | Lopeppeppy | When something goes wrong, sure. |
| 18:26.43 | Aqua | Yup, thats what i was talking about |
| 18:26.47 | Thunder_Child | goes wrong |
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| 18:27.17 | Aqua | They are usually ontop of things when servers aren't back up |
| 18:27.44 | Lopeppeppy | It's not beyond the regular window just yet though. |
| 18:27.49 | Lopeppeppy | r0mbl3st |
| 18:27.55 | Lopeppeppy | nicely done, Peppy |
| 18:28.12 | Aqua | fair enough |
| 18:28.20 | Cidwel | I need some info about how to locate addons. I've searched it and the only guide was in WoWWiki but that doesn't helped too much. Someone have an helloworld addon or a simply one that works well with locales, in order to learn the locale system? |
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| 18:28.49 | Cidwel | or maybe a good link to translate them >_< |
| 18:29.25 | augustl | Cidwel: short summary: have one table for each locale, set the correct pointer by using GetLocale() |
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| 18:30.07 | augustl | e.g `local L = YourAddon.locales[GetLocale()]` |
| 18:30.25 | augustl | I'm not sure what the best practices are here, though |
| 18:30.27 | Cidwel | augustl: there are some libs that can help in that, ¿are them handy? |
| 18:30.36 | augustl | Ace has AceLocale afaik |
| 18:30.38 | Lopeppeppy | Never liked my work VPN anyway, time to trash it. :) |
| 18:31.05 | NightHawkTheSan1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:32.07 | Mikk | it sounds nifty when you get it |
| 18:32.11 | Mikk | then you realize it's a piss-poor idea |
| 18:33.56 | zenzelezz | my issue with VPN is that every time I've had to use it, they make me use some sort of ancient, horrible VPN client |
| 18:35.56 | augustl | isn't VPN a protocol? Seems to me like requiring a particular VPN client is like making a IE only website. |
| 18:36.17 | Lopeppeppy | And sometimes that's exactly the problem. |
| 18:36.28 | zenzelezz | that's what I used to think too, but some companies are paranoid and lock their VPN to one client |
| 18:36.39 | NightHawkTheSan1 | s/sometimes/always/ |
| 18:37.07 | cbreak | VPN is a type of technology |
| 18:37.11 | cbreak | with many implrementations |
| 18:37.20 | zenzelezz | I ended up running Windows in VMWare on my Windows box because the VPN software I had to use meant I couldn't do any regular Internet stuff on the machine while the VPN software was connected |
| 18:37.35 | cbreak | zenzelezz: that's a security feature |
| 18:37.42 | NightHawkTheSan1 | This is interesting: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/10/technology/10check.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=all |
| 18:37.42 | cbreak | to prevent data leaking |
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| 18:54.32 | Kraps | <--- is dads GPS thanks to google maps |
| 18:56.53 | malreth | oh poop... twitter is the dead again |
| 18:57.15 | Lopeppeppy | a lot of things are crawling this afternoon, argh. |
| 18:58.50 | Kraps | we reached the singularity already? O_o |
| 18:59.18 | Lopeppeppy | Seems it. |
| 19:00.50 | Torhal | Twitter is a keylogger. |
| 19:00.52 | Torhal | :D |
| 19:01.02 | malreth | IT IS! |
| 19:01.16 | malreth | everything i type into it is repeated on their web page |
| 19:02.15 | Lopeppeppy | Ooh, vicious. |
| 19:02.54 | zenzelezz | I wanted to write a cyber-erotic novel on Twitter, but I kept getting cut off after 140 characters :( |
| 19:03.33 | Lopeppeppy | Don't you know, it's not about size? |
| 19:04.03 | zenzelezz | I can barely get to the genitals in 140 characters |
| 19:04.20 | Lopeppeppy | There's your problem. |
| 19:04.28 | Lopeppeppy | Kiss, swish, slurp, burp. |
| 19:04.29 | Lopeppeppy | All done. |
| 19:04.43 | zenzelezz | you're quite the romantic, aren't you |
| 19:05.17 | Lopeppeppy | Cynical, short of sleep, catching my cat's depression. :( |
| 19:05.47 | zenzelezz | maybe you need some hawt cyb0r ;-o |
| 19:06.08 | zenzelezz | fetches is wizard's hat and robe |
| 19:06.32 | zenzelezz | +h |
| 19:07.47 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah. No. |
| 19:07.57 | Lopeppeppy | I need sleep and someone qualified to take care of my cat to come catsit. |
| 19:08.16 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: Cats aren't depressed. They're neurotic. |
| 19:08.30 | Lopeppeppy | No, she's hurting and depressed, trust me. |
| 19:08.34 | Torhal | Ah |
| 19:08.52 | Torhal | Yah, hurt cats are depressed. |
| 19:09.15 | Lopeppeppy | She had surgery yesterday, she's gonna be sad for a week or two until the stitches come out. |
| 19:09.19 | Torhal | Mine ran outside and got into a fight a couple of months ago, and apparently lost. He was sad. |
| 19:10.33 | Lopeppeppy | Argh, screw Vista and working from home, it violently hates the VPN client. |
| 19:10.46 | nicoli_s | :( my downstairs neighboors kitty got in a fight with a fox and came out with only a few stiches needed |
| 19:11.15 | Lopeppeppy | Rosie has... 25 stitches? She was a stray, she had a bad cut. |
| 19:12.23 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: CISCO vpn client is ok on Vista 32. |
| 19:13.21 | malreth | oooookaaaaaay... i'm an anime fan... shit, i even had a shrine site on the internet back in 1994 dedicated to Lum... but even this has me confuzzled: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ397xT3Fsg |
| 19:13.39 | A-KO | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1917993 < lol |
| 19:14.50 | Dagmar | I'm sorry. Did someone tell you that videos on YouTube werer all supposed to make sense? |
| 19:14.58 | Dagmar | Just be glad she's not slinging a leek around. |
| 19:15.55 | malreth | the video with Orihime made sense... given that I'd seen Bleach |
| 19:16.48 | Lunessa | malreth: There's bacon. |
| 19:16.49 | malreth | and don't get me wrong... i'm still a sucker for an alien chick with demon horns in a tiger-kini |
| 19:17.08 | malreth | it's the green hair... serious green hair |
| 19:17.18 | Dagmar | OMG |
| 19:17.33 | Dagmar | I finally got around to looking at the Handjob Exercise Machine clip |
| 19:17.51 | malreth | but.. Lum + BBQ? |
| 19:18.03 | malreth | it's like... i dunno... |
| 19:18.13 | Dagmar | The hilarious bit is that the video is from an actual commercial, for an actual product, and they just barely managed to keep the commercial "polite" |
| 19:18.38 | Lunessa | malreth: Some guys just have a thing for meat, and alien chicks. And dancing. And bad porn music. |
| 19:18.41 | malreth | "i like sex... and i like X-Files... so let's have sex while watching X-Files." |
| 19:18.55 | malreth | see... some things just don't go together |
| 19:19.09 | selckin | x-files, you must be old |
| 19:19.17 | Lunessa | malreth: Too late - CF: Discovery Channel song. |
| 19:19.50 | nicoli_s | i havent seen xfiles in forever |
| 19:21.00 | malreth | Lunessa: everything that The Bloodhound Gang sang about was wrong. my point still stands |
| 19:21.23 | malreth | except for teenage runaways being damn sexy |
| 19:21.27 | malreth | that's always true |
| 19:21.46 | Lunessa | malreth: I mean, wouldn't you want you some hawt Lum action while chowing down on a bacon-wrapped burger? |
| 19:21.53 | Lopeppeppy | Watching XFiles with no lights on, we're dans la maison, I hope The Smoking Man's in this one. |
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| 19:22.18 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: <3 - Bare Naked Ladies |
| 19:22.40 | malreth | selckin: old enough to have built a shrine web site to an anime character in 1994 |
| 19:22.57 | selckin | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:23.18 | Lunessa | But still young enough to be searching for the /perfect/ dry martini. |
| 19:23.31 | nicoli_s | yech, martinis |
| 19:23.46 | malreth | it's like drinking a Christmas tree |
| 19:24.05 | zenzelezz | are you saying that's not a normal thing to do? |
| 19:25.19 | malreth | i'm thinking about infusing some juniper berries from the trees behind my apartment in vodka later this year |
| 19:25.41 | Lopeppeppy | ... infusing the acid rain and pollution, you mean? |
| 19:25.58 | Torhal | Lopeppeppy: Duh! |
| 19:26.00 | malreth | Lopeppeppy: that makes it "Local" |
| 19:26.18 | Lunessa | malreth: So you want gin flavored vodka? That's unnatural. |
| 19:26.42 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, local. |
| 19:27.00 | zenzelezz | Gin and Toxic, the new hit |
| 19:27.01 | malreth | yes... Lopeppeppy. one word, not two |
| 19:27.09 | nicoli_s | i loves me some vodka, but i need i to be fruity if im gonna keep it down |
| 19:27.28 | Torhal | nicoli_s: You need to be fruity? |
| 19:27.30 | Torhal | .. |
| 19:27.39 | Lunessa | So BlizzCon is going to = BlitzedCon for some of us? |
| 19:27.54 | Cairenn | mmmmmmmm |
| 19:28.08 | Cairenn | err, no, I'd never drink at BlizzCon! |
| 19:28.08 | nicoli_s | no but i have a weak stomach so the alcohol has to be very hidden |
| 19:28.36 | Torhal | Cairenn: Just at the after-parties? :) |
| 19:28.51 | Cairenn | Torhal: what after parties? there's such a thing? |
| 19:29.04 | zenzelezz | you just have to know where to look |
| 19:29.04 | Cairenn | *wide-eyed innocent look* |
| 19:29.05 | Torhal | Cairenn: I thought you were the event organizer... |
| 19:29.06 | Torhal | Pshaw. |
| 19:29.23 | zenzelezz | Cairenn is innocent... like a fox! |
| 19:29.32 | Lunessa | Cairenn IS the party, FOOL! |
| 19:29.40 | Cairenn | Lunessa: careful now |
| 19:30.05 | Torhal | weeps quietly in a corner. |
| 19:30.06 | Lunessa | I mean, seriously... to create UI party, just add Cairenn. |
| 19:30.08 | zenzelezz | besides, you guys should know better |
| 19:30.14 | zenzelezz | you don't go to parties after Blizzcon, you go to raids |
| 19:30.23 | Cairenn | btw, for those of you that are new to BC - I expect hugs! Lots and lots of hugs! |
| 19:30.30 | Lunessa | 'cause bars drop the best loots. |
| 19:30.36 | Torhal | You've never tried to negotiate the bridges in ZG whilst drunk? |
| 19:30.52 | Lunessa | Torhal: Wait, people do that sober? |
| 19:30.57 | Torhal | Hah |
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| 19:31.42 | Torhal | Shh! He's here! |
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| 19:33.13 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn will also be collecting my share of hugs, so you will need to hug her even more. |
| 19:33.27 | Cairenn | yup yup! |
| 19:34.12 | Lunessa | Wait, can you bottle hugs and ship them, like via FedEx? |
| 19:34.27 | Lopeppeppy | No. Give them to Cairenn so they don't go to waste. :) |
| 19:34.36 | Lopeppeppy | She's throwing herself under the bus for me, so treat her nice! |
| 19:34.44 | Cairenn | no, I just store them up inside then pass them along when I see the person they were for |
| 19:35.10 | Lopeppeppy | Oooh. Even better. :) |
| 19:35.16 | Cairenn | I have alllllll kinds of space for hugs! |
| 19:37.01 | nicoli_s | Cairenn is just getting all these free hugs so she can offload em to suckers wholl pay big bucks |
| 19:37.11 | Cairenn | rofl |
| 19:37.48 | mikma | nsfw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIbhXh3ZPtc&feature=related |
| 19:38.30 | Lopeppeppy | rawr. I'll pay. |
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| 19:55.45 | Dagmar | mikma: Were you suprised? |
| 19:55.54 | mikma | dagmar: no |
| 19:55.57 | Dagmar | Okay. |
| 19:56.00 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:56.20 | Dagmar | Gaga makes a hot girl, but it's kind of a giveaway when everyone else on the stage is flaming like the sun |
| 19:56.35 | mikma | theres not much stuff that can surprise me |
| 19:58.44 | Dagmar | Right... Time to drive to the post office to pick up the phone I paid $20 to have shipped UPS |
| 19:59.06 | Dagmar | Turns out eBay doesn't care for those kinds of substitutions |
| 19:59.47 | Lopeppeppy | Reminds me that I need to track my packages from Amazon. |
| 20:00.21 | Cairenn | ~sigh Kaelten |
| 20:00.22 | purl | ACTION sighs, rolls its eyes and shakes its head, "Kaelten!" |
| 20:01.13 | Lopeppeppy | Two freakin' days for a book to leave Phoenix? |
| 20:01.29 | nevcairiel | maybe its refusing |
| 20:01.30 | Kaelten | ~hug Cairenn |
| 20:01.31 | purl | ACTION hugs Cairenn |
| 20:01.40 | Cairenn | ~emulate cairenn |
| 20:01.41 | purl | ACTION purrs |
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| 20:02.08 | Dagmar | It's hot there. You'd think things which were flammable would want to be far away from a city named after an animal that randomly bursts into flames |
| 20:02.27 | nevcairiel | maybe its a hot book |
| 20:02.33 | nevcairiel | we don't know what peppy is reading |
| 20:02.39 | Dagmar | It's hidin' from tha' law! |
| 20:05.36 | Lopeppeppy | Alexandria, a Marcus Didius Falco novel (mystery set in ancient Rome) |
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| 20:09.23 | Cruciformer | mikk: ping |
| 20:09.46 | Mikk | Cruciformer: pong |
| 20:09.59 | Cruciformer | Mikk: I have a concern about the change you made to AceComm |
| 20:11.11 | Cruciformer | I thing reserving all of the single-digit numbers as a prefix is a bit harsh. No matter what you have planned for the future, it would be nice to leave room for others to tinker with rather than using all of \1 through \9 |
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| 20:11.43 | Cruciformer | Maybe just reserve \4 for future use, and have it be a "meta" command character that can be followed by one additional character |
| 20:12.00 | Cruciformer | for example, I already use \7, and that change will foil it. |
| 20:12.12 | Mikk | blinks |
| 20:12.30 | Mikk | hm wait |
| 20:12.34 | Mikk | i can't even use tab obviously |
| 20:12.35 | Mikk | dohs |
| 20:13.20 | Mikk | so umm you're feeding \7 into acecomm? |
| 20:13.30 | Mikk | may i enquire as to why? =) |
| 20:13.52 | nevcairiel | the prefix was always defined as "printable characters" |
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| 20:14.06 | nevcairiel | in the acecomm docs =) |
| 20:14.17 | Cruciformer | for all the wrong reasons :) "security through obscurity" |
| 20:15.45 | Cruciformer | I can certianly live without it, no hardship whatsoever. |
| 20:15.59 | Cruciformer | and nevcairiel raises a valid point, I should not have even assumed I could do that. |
| 20:16.44 | Cruciformer | I do however feed \7 in in the actual message data as a useful delimiter |
| 20:16.54 | Cruciformer | but that's legal |
| 20:16.56 | nevcairiel | the message data doesnt care |
| 20:17.01 | nevcairiel | it can be anything but \0 |
| 20:17.04 | Cruciformer | nevcairiel: yup. |
| 20:17.18 | Mikk | so yeah if you can change that without impact |
| 20:17.21 | Mikk | that'd rock tbh |
| 20:17.42 | Cruciformer | Ok never mind then mikk, my usage of acecomm was in error, and I havent released it yet (and even if I had I would have to fix it) |
| 20:17.44 | nevcairiel | is \7 some special char that makes it look all garbaged, or why \7 ? :D |
| 20:17.54 | Mikk | bell |
| 20:18.07 | Cruciformer | no reason other than its the highest single digit octal number |
| 20:18.23 | Mikk | Lua uses decimal escape codes |
| 20:18.25 | Mikk | so \9 works :P |
| 20:18.28 | Cruciformer | so just in case Lua decides to interpret \xx as an octal number the way C does, I am safe. |
| 20:18.30 | nevcairiel | that doesnt sound like a real reason to pick it |
| 20:18.40 | nevcairiel | i mean you can use \234 |
| 20:18.43 | nevcairiel | without any issue |
| 20:18.44 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 20:18.55 | Cruciformer | nevcairiel: it has mostly to do with my brain. I am used to \xx being an octal number, its how I think of them. |
| 20:19.38 | cbreak | octal :/ |
| 20:19.40 | nevcairiel | imho \255 is a nice char |
| 20:19.49 | nevcairiel | and tbh, i never had to work with octal |
| 20:19.52 | nevcairiel | wonder if i missed anything |
| 20:20.05 | Cruciformer | nevcairiel: you obviously never spent much time using chmod on UNIX :) |
| 20:20.20 | nevcairiel | oh right, thats where i use it |
| 20:20.26 | cbreak | chmod supports symbolics... |
| 20:20.38 | cbreak | u+rwx,go= |
| 20:20.40 | Cruciformer | cbreak: symbolics are for the weak of heart |
| 20:20.43 | nevcairiel | but could as well be hex with the upper numbers unused |
| 20:21.06 | Cruciformer | chmod 755 is totally reflexive to me, no thought involved. |
| 20:21.27 | Cruciformer | and more consise that chmod u=rwx,go=rx |
| 20:21.45 | Cruciformer | s/that/than/ |
| 20:21.54 | nevcairiel | i use the symbolic stuff for incrementals, like adding one flag to all files without totally overwriting |
| 20:22.00 | nevcairiel | wonder if you can do that with numbers |
| 20:22.03 | Cruciformer | anyway, thats why I use \7 nevcairiel |
| 20:22.14 | nevcairiel | chmod +x bla with numbers? :D |
| 20:23.11 | Cruciformer | +x isnt enough ... if the file mode was rwx------ you wil end up with rwx--x--x ... and you may want groups and others to be able to read it (need +r) |
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| 20:23.42 | Cruciformer | I always found octal the easier way of doing chmod tbh |
| 20:24.28 | nevcairiel | when i imported a whole bunch of files from some weird network share or somethign that has everything +x, and i want to remove it on all files, its just easier to use chmod a-x |
| 20:24.41 | Dagmar | Symbolic modes for the win |
| 20:24.58 | nevcairiel | i just hate it when its mixed with folders |
| 20:25.08 | Dagmar | There's where find comes in handy |
| 20:25.12 | nevcairiel | indeed |
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| 20:31.26 | olafski | is there some kind of great guide on how to write your addon configuration to use the blizzard config UI? |
| 20:32.01 | Aqua | did they remove the blue qualiy gems from the badge vendors/ |
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| 20:35.58 | olafski | was wondering the same |
| 20:38.20 | Cruciformer | nevcairiel / mikk: In the transmit loop for AceComm, at the top you already do maxtextlen = maxtextlen - 1 to make space for the part indicator. Why then in teh while loop do you have to use pos+maxtextlen-1? Whats that additional -1 for? |
| 20:38.37 | Cruciformer | I mean its only 1 character but I am just curious if I am missing something :) |
| 20:38.45 | Mikk | because it's inclusive |
| 20:38.59 | Mikk | lua> strsub("abcdef", 1,3) |
| 20:39.00 | Cruciformer | ah ok thats it then. |
| 20:39.00 | lua_bot | Mikk: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'strsub' (a nil value) |
| 20:39.07 | Mikk | lua> string.sub("abcdef", 1,3) |
| 20:39.07 | lua_bot | Mikk: abc |
| 20:39.18 | Cruciformer | 'nuff said. |
| 20:41.02 | Cruciformer | this will make a nice little addition to my mod, that I can give progress on transmitting large sync lists so people dont wonder if the mod has crashed. |
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| 20:44.14 | Cruciformer | thanks for the changes and listening to my ideas Mikk. much appreciated. |
| 20:44.47 | Shirik | don't thank him |
| 20:44.57 | Shirik | he doesn't deserve it |
| 20:45.09 | Lunessa | Does Bllodrage trigger the GCD? |
| 20:45.20 | Cruciformer | he does in my book so I am thanking him ... you can be ornery with him on your own time :) |
| 20:45.29 | Fisker | Shirik |
| 20:45.37 | Fisker | i get the worlds best libram tomorrow |
| 20:45.47 | Shirik | I will shard it |
| 20:45.51 | Cruciformer | Librab of Trout-slapping? |
| 20:46.00 | Cruciformer | *Libram |
| 20:46.50 | Fisker | Libram of Valiance |
| 20:47.21 | Shirik | I like libram of trout slapping better |
| 20:47.49 | Fisker | i don't |
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| 21:01.25 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Lunessa: i dont believe it does |
| 21:01.44 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSan1: Thanks. |
| 21:03.29 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Lunessa: yeah, just checked to be sure, it is not ON nor triggers the GCD |
| 21:03.57 | NightHawkTheSan1 | s/not/neither/ |
| 21:04.38 | Lunessa | Cool. Been a loooooooooong time since I played a warrior. |
| 21:07.16 | durcyn | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info14386-SlashLeave.html < what the hell is wrong with people |
| 21:08.01 | Lunessa | durcyn: Broken unit frames. |
| 21:08.16 | Fisker | /script LeaveParty(); |
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| 21:08.35 | durcyn | Lunessa: he used a slash command that's already in use by the base ui |
| 21:08.59 | Lunessa | durcyn: He just aliased it. |
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| 21:10.48 | Fisker | he's the cancer killing the world Lunessa |
| 21:10.56 | Fisker | *pitchfork* |
| 21:12.13 | Lunessa | slaps Fisker with a giant tree. |
| 21:13.25 | Lopeppeppy | watches this. |
| 21:13.50 | Lunessa | Apparently giving people the instructions isn't help - http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19110237283&sid=1 |
| 21:13.54 | Industrial | is there an addon that can show you an icon or something of the next spell you should use based on procs, cooldowns and priority, class indipendent? |
| 21:14.11 | olafski | is there some kind of great guide on how to write your addon configuration to use the blizzard config UI? sorry for repeating, I can't really find it on google or must be using wrong terms :$ |
| 21:14.22 | Lunessa | Faceroller or something like that - not sure it's class independent. |
| 21:14.38 | Industrial | ideally only one table with spellnames in it |
| 21:14.43 | Industrial | :p |
| 21:14.45 | Industrial | to config |
| 21:14.50 | Dagmar | Lunessa: You're supposed to go to their house and inject the knowledge into their brain through the base of the skull |
| 21:14.53 | Dagmar | Don't you know anything? |
| 21:15.02 | Lunessa | With my FIST |
| 21:15.09 | durcyn | icepick is the preferred delivery method |
| 21:15.14 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 21:15.16 | Dagmar | Icepicks. |
| 21:15.18 | Dagmar | It's tradition. |
| 21:16.03 | Lunessa | olafski: http://www.wowwiki.com/2.1.0_consolidated_UI_changes |
| 21:16.13 | Lunessa | Ooops wrong link |
| 21:16.33 | Industrial | oldsauce is chinky |
| 21:16.41 | Industrial | chunky, definately chunky. |
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| 21:18.26 | olafski | lunessa: :) the thought counts |
| 21:18.47 | Lunessa | olafski: I have this lbook marked.. looking for it. |
| 21:23.41 | Lunessa | olafski: It was patch 2.4 - http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_2.4 |
| 21:24.47 | Lunessa | Official changes thread: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2968233433&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 21:27.05 | olafski | thanks a lot! :D gonna read that right away |
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| 21:33.55 | Thunder_Child | hates |
| 21:36.33 | foxlit | http://code.google.com/codejam/ << you know you want to. |
| 21:37.59 | Industrial | ugh no |
| 21:37.59 | Thunder_Child | i want to see shirk do that so i can hear his yelling from here |
| 21:38.52 | foxlit | (The rules are exceptionally humane -- you're allowed to use anything you want to) |
| 21:39.20 | Industrial | its eepeening with something I'm not particularly good at :p |
| 21:39.27 | Industrial | destined to fail |
| 21:39.46 | foxlit | You have a few weeks to get better fast. |
| 21:40.04 | foxlit | # We're gonna need a montage... |
| 21:40.56 | Lunessa | foxlit: there's ALWAYS time for a montage! |
| 21:41.53 | foxlit | but wtf, no free lunch this year :( |
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| 21:54.30 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: ? |
| 21:54.39 | Shirik | stop making fun of me :( |
| 21:55.10 | NightHawkTheSan1 | http://www.pvponline.com/2009/08/11/joeing-is-half-the-battle/ |
| 21:56.31 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, i'm not. every time you come on here to talk about a languge it's always to bitch, never to extoll virtues |
| 21:56.34 | foxlit | Shirik: register first, whine at Thunder_Child later :) |
| 21:56.44 | Shirik | That's not true |
| 21:56.46 | Shirik | C++ is awesome |
| 21:57.18 | Thunder_Child | ok, but you never say that, you say something like "xxx is not as good as C++" which isnt quite the same thing |
| 21:57.23 | Shirik | heh |
| 22:02.05 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSan1: I'm not sure I could get through that. |
| 22:02.13 | Thunder_Child | so it seems it wast the video drivers that was bsod'ing me but the NIC drivers |
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| 22:09.04 | jaxdahl2 | if you like codejam i think you would like topcoder.com |
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| 22:16.50 | TC-Away | WTB working computer |
| 22:17.18 | Lopeppeppy | WTB live in vet services. :) |
| 22:17.26 | Lopeppeppy | I think you'll get your wish first, overall. :) |
| 22:18.09 | Thunder_Child | not at this rate i wont |
| 22:21.42 | Shirik | so Thunder_Child |
| 22:21.46 | Shirik | it wasn't nvidia's fault |
| 22:21.50 | Shirik | you should apologize to them |
| 22:21.58 | Thunder_Child | neither was it the NIC |
| 22:22.03 | Thunder_Child | it bsod'd again |
| 22:22.15 | Thunder_Child | now i'm thinking it might be the USB ports |
| 22:23.28 | Thunder_Child | i would be very unhappy should i have to reinstall |
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| 22:38.50 | Mikk | Thunder_Child: are you checking where the crash is occuring? |
| 22:38.56 | Mikk | like in which dll/exe? |
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| 22:56.24 | Thunder_Child | Mikk, it doesnt offer one |
| 22:56.55 | Thunder_Child | Mikk, oh....it doesnt bsod at any particular time |
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| 23:05.08 | foxlit | "Cannot load 32-bit SWT libraries on 64-bit JVM" will haunt Shirik in his nightmares. |
| 23:05.55 | Shirik | ? |
| 23:06.33 | Shirik | you know what I don't get |
| 23:07.13 | Shirik | my installer detects the correct version automatically |
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| 23:07.25 | Shirik | and I even wrote in the directions "Don't override this. It's probably smarter than you." |
| 23:07.36 | Shirik | And people still override it... that's fine.... but then they complain it's not working |
| 23:07.45 | Shirik | without even thinking about going back to install the version it originally selected |
| 23:07.58 | foxlit | Are you sure it wasn't the java update that changed things in some subtle way after your clever installer finished being clever? |
| 23:08.06 | Shirik | yup |
| 23:08.17 | Shirik | Because it's how Windows works, not how Java works |
| 23:08.50 | Shirik | (for OSX, we don't care about that particular library, and for Linux... well.... those users are a little more intelligent) |
| 23:09.04 | foxlit | I'd say which Java VM gets launched isn't a windows thing :) |
| 23:09.22 | Shirik | if the Java update tool replaces your 32 bit JVM with a 64-bit one, there's a problem |
| 23:09.48 | foxlit | Makes the 64-bit one default, realizing that you're running a 64-bit processor in its smart installer? |
| 23:11.05 | foxlit | Then again, I have no idea. |
| 23:11.11 | Shirik | idea about what? |
| 23:11.25 | foxlit | What actually happens or does not happen there. |
| 23:11.38 | Shirik | is there something specific you're referring to? |
| 23:13.54 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26378 |
| 23:14.12 | foxlit | watches more theatrical trailers full-screen. |
| 23:15.12 | A-KO | notes that windows 7 is atcually released..... |
| 23:17.12 | A-KO | hmm, java installer for me is installing x86 |
| 23:17.18 | NeoTron | Actually released... on October 26th |
| 23:17.25 | A-KO | uhm |
| 23:17.27 | NeoTron | notes that A-KO lives in the future. |
| 23:17.28 | A-KO | MSDN |
| 23:17.38 | A-KO | released August 6th, 2009 to MSDN/Beta testers |
| 23:17.39 | NeoTron | that's not a release :P |
| 23:17.40 | A-KO | but thanks :P |
| 23:17.44 | A-KO | yes, yes it is |
| 23:18.02 | A-KO | because it's the exact same version that you will end up getting on Oct 22nd when it goes GA :P |
| 23:19.06 | A-KO | it went RTM (final code) in late July |
| 23:20.51 | Mikk | the exact same version... |
| 23:21.03 | Mikk | except for a truckload of hotfixes that you guys will discover for them |
| 23:21.12 | Mikk | prolly be an SP1 by then too :P |
| 23:21.24 | Mikk | ahwell i shouldn't complain |
| 23:21.32 | Mikk | i'm happy i'm not the one finding the bugs |
| 23:21.48 | A-KO | eh, hotfixes and SP aside, what was signed off at the end of July is what people will find on their computers and in the box in October |
| 23:30.39 | Arrowmaster | i swear i will never fuck with libc again since i may not ended up as lucky as i just was to be able to fix it |
| 23:31.16 | Shirik | changing libc is a great idea |
| 23:31.49 | Shirik | I like to write my own version of free() which ensures no memory leaks |
| 23:32.23 | Arrowmaster | no i just accidently broke it as in part of it was missing |
| 23:33.19 | Shirik | void free(void* ptr) { for (unsigned long i = 1; i != 0; ++i) { realFree((void*)i) } } |
| 23:33.26 | Shirik | ^ win imo |
| 23:33.40 | Arrowmaster | luckly i was able to drop the missing file in /usr/local/sbin after downloading and extracting it from the package then telling aptitude to reinstall the libc packages |
| 23:34.59 | Mikk | Shirik: hokay... and when do you use that? =P |
| 23:35.37 | Shirik | whenever you want to avoid memory leaks ^_^ |
| 23:35.46 | Mikk | I have a quicker way! |
| 23:35.50 | Mikk | Restart the program! :P |
| 23:36.01 | Arrowmaster | now i need to decide if i still want to continue fucking with wine or not since the debian maintainer cant seem to be able to make a working amd64 package or if i want to try using the .deb winehq has |
| 23:36.13 | ScytheBlade1 | just build it from source |
| 23:36.34 | ScytheBlade1 | I did that for years, it really isn't that bad |
| 23:38.05 | Lopeppeppy | Oh, frell, I wanted to talk to Cogwheel too, and I totally didn't see him. Bah. |
| 23:40.45 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: Get Gentoo |
| 23:40.50 | Shirik | you will never have a problem |
| 23:40.53 | Arrowmaster | fuck no |
| 23:40.58 | Arrowmaster | ill have worse problems |
| 23:41.40 | Coren{de} | I had trouble building from source, the fglrx replacement of libgl wasn't exporting all the symbols wine wanted, I switched to winehq .debs |
| 23:41.57 | Arrowmaster | and the winehq .debs dont even work for me |
| 23:42.27 | ScytheBlade1 | fglrx is pretty terrible, that does not surprise me |
| 23:42.30 | Coren{de} | I'm on amd64 and they work fine for me |
| 23:42.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I suppose I should mention that I was running an NV card for the duration |
| 23:42.45 | Arrowmaster | debian amd64? |
| 23:43.08 | Coren{de} | ya, lenny-ish (with a bunch of stuff from squeeeze) |
| 23:43.47 | Coren{de} | e.g. gnash, because the lenny-gnash is older than ancient :> |
| 23:43.54 | Arrowmaster | fucking useless winehq .deb doesnt even have man pages wtf |
| 23:44.12 | Philemon | So I'm looking at the resource monitor in Win7, I'm isolating WoW.exe, and in the network graph I'm seeing a 100+ Kbps traffic spike every 15 seconds, precisely. Is this just WoW? Or does that sound like an addon? |
| 23:44.28 | Arrowmaster | err:module:load_builtin_dll failed to load .so lib for builtin L"winex11.drv": libuuid.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 23:44.36 | ScytheBlade1 | If that was an addon, that would likely get you disconnected |
| 23:44.39 | Wobin | Philemon: disable all addons and check. |
| 23:45.05 | Philemon | Wobin: Yeah, I'm in the middle of a raid right now. I guess I'll do that afterward. |
| 23:45.13 | Coren{de} | Philemon, given that Addons get you kicked below 8kbps, I doubt it... |
| 23:45.33 | Wobin | It's possibly checking that you're not a hunter |
| 23:45.42 | Arrowmaster | Coren{de}: yeah this is fucked up, ive got libuuid1 |
| 23:48.09 | Aelobin | so is 2v2 for everything except shoulders/weapons/title in 3.3? or can you not get any of the relentless gear |
| 23:48.14 | Aelobin | i've heard different stories |
| 23:50.16 | Coren{de} | I gots no libuuid afaict... |
| 23:50.53 | Coren{de} | what is "ldd /usr/lib/wine/winex11.drv.so" saying? |
| 23:50.57 | ScytheBlade1 | That's because it is part of the e2fs-progs package |
| 23:51.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Or whatever your distro names it |
| 23:51.31 | ScytheBlade1 | probably without the dash |
| 23:51.52 | Arrowmaster | libuuid.so.1 => not found |
| 23:51.56 | Coren{de} | I'd think I got that, I have tune2fs etc. |
| 23:52.10 | Arrowmaster | theres a package called libuuid1 that i have installed |
| 23:53.10 | Coren{de} | "dpkg -L libuuid1" claims it to be where? :) |
| 23:53.41 | Arrowmaster | its in /lib/ |
| 23:54.12 | Arrowmaster | seems its problem with wine linking to all 32 bit libs |
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| 23:54.40 | Arrowmaster | and i dont have a 32bit version of it |
| 23:54.55 | Coren{de} | oh. you're on squeeze? |
| 23:54.59 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 23:55.06 | Coren{de} | I think you're SOL |
| 23:55.55 | Coren{de} | there was some very recent change to move libs around... and only parts of the libs seem to be already where they are expected |
| 23:57.38 | Coren{de} | where did I read that again... /brower_history needs grep... |
