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| 00:01.02 | Cloudwolf | 3.2 some how readded the quest horns of nez'ra there is no turn in point |
| 00:01.11 | Wobin | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/47521/brk-1000/ |
| 00:01.18 | Adys | \o/ |
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| 00:02.20 | Wobin | high5's Adys |
| 00:02.23 | Cloudwolf | ugh wow heads database is like outdated D: |
| 00:02.58 | Adys | \o/ |
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| 00:03.41 | Hirsute | Cloudwolf: Outdated how? |
| 00:03.52 | Cloudwolf | brk-1000 isn't in their database |
| 00:04.12 | Hirsute | What is brk-1000? |
| 00:04.29 | Cloudwolf | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/47521/brk-1000/ |
| 00:04.33 | Cloudwolf | is what wobin linked |
| 00:05.13 | Hirsute | Just logged in. sec |
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| 00:06.56 | Hirsute | Ah, well, give them some time, it was just introduced with this patch. |
| 00:07.17 | Hirsute | I haven't seen their database guy around, so it's possible that the work is being slower than usual. |
| 00:07.50 | Adys | he's gone |
| 00:07.59 | Hirsute | Skosiris is gone? |
| 00:08.09 | Adys | ya |
| 00:08.19 | Hirsute | Ah, didn't know that. |
| 00:08.28 | Hirsute | Hrmm. Means I'm going to have to go poke Malgayne.... |
| 00:09.03 | Hirsute | Who is also not around. |
| 00:09.15 | Adys | ya |
| 00:09.47 | Kalroth | Adys: I watched a movie where they all spoke Adys! |
| 00:10.06 | Hirsute | Adys: "ya" as in, he's gone too, or he's just not around at the moment? |
| 00:10.36 | Adys | "ya" as in hes never been there anyway |
| 00:10.58 | Hirsute | Malgayne? I used to chat with him all the time... |
| 00:11.14 | Adys | yah exactly :P |
| 00:11.33 | Adys | pr is nice but it doesn't update a database |
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| 00:11.45 | Adys | anyway, FOOD |
| 00:11.46 | Kalroth | updates Adys. |
| 00:11.52 | Adys | goes down. |
| 00:12.28 | Mikk | Hirsute: someone with their client needs to see it drop |
| 00:12.36 | Mikk | or hmm is that true anymore .... |
| 00:12.48 | Kalroth | they can add items manually |
| 00:12.55 | Kalroth | they're just too lazy to do so :p |
| 00:13.14 | Kalroth | and no, they don't have to see it drop - just linking it ingame should be enough |
| 00:13.29 | Adys | no need to link |
| 00:13.38 | Adys | having someone wear it within a hundred yard is enough |
| 00:13.42 | Adys | did I mention food yet |
| 00:13.42 | Adys | brb |
| 00:13.46 | Hirsute | Mikk: *nod* I know their addon/client has to see it. |
| 00:14.45 | Mikk | "Smells faintly of raspberries." |
| 00:14.51 | Wobin | Mikk: <3 that |
| 00:15.06 | Wobin | wonderful in-joke |
| 00:15.13 | Dagmar | It's awesome |
| 00:15.14 | Mikk | doesn't get it :< |
| 00:15.23 | Wobin | You clearly did not read BRK's blog =) |
| 00:15.28 | Mikk | Nop |
| 00:15.39 | Wobin | He has a fondness for raspberry lattes |
| 00:15.40 | Dagmar | BRK was one of _the_ biggest "characters" involved in WoW |
| 00:15.47 | Mikk | "When the Raspberry Latte Hits the Screen" |
| 00:16.12 | Dagmar | An awesome blog, lots of nice explanations on how to do stuff to reduce the number of huntards, and later a podcast |
| 00:16.18 | Wobin | He had humour, he had style |
| 00:16.24 | Dagmar | ...and a good voice for it. |
| 00:16.26 | Wobin | and he had a great speaking voice |
| 00:16.37 | Dagmar | If there were someone it would have made sense to hire to keep running a blog, it would have been him |
| 00:16.45 | Wobin | although he looks nothing like what I mentally envisaged =) |
| 00:16.57 | Wobin | Dagmar: They probably couldn't afford him |
| 00:16.58 | Dagmar | I'm guessing he's pale and redheaded or something |
| 00:17.20 | Dagmar | ...although he sounds stocky, perpetually 5 o'clock shadowy, and thick hornrims |
| 00:17.38 | Wobin | http://www.dphowell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/VPKGrad2.JPG |
| 00:17.57 | Dagmar | Pretty close |
| 00:17.59 | Dagmar | Heh |
| 00:18.06 | Wobin | I had the stereotypical dwarf in mind =) |
| 00:18.25 | Dagmar | Yeah he damn well _sounds_ like one almost |
| 00:18.53 | Wobin | BRK is also a good example of how WoW can affect your life negatively =P |
| 00:19.12 | Adys | I read three of his articles I almost threw up |
| 00:19.13 | Dagmar | Oh come on. Tj didn't do any permanent damage to his hearing. |
| 00:19.23 | Adys | i dont get the fuss with him |
| 00:19.28 | Dagmar | with who? |
| 00:19.32 | Adys | brk |
| 00:19.58 | Wobin | He was entertaining, he had a site with good advice, he was all about the education of hunters |
| 00:20.00 | Wobin | what's not to like? |
| 00:20.06 | Wobin | (especially the last) |
| 00:20.25 | Adys | he sounded like a complete jerk from what I've read |
| 00:20.27 | Wobin | -anything- that reduces the number of huntards is a plus, in my book |
| 00:20.36 | Wobin | Adys: after those three articles? |
| 00:20.38 | Wobin | wow =P |
| 00:20.38 | Dagmar | I have *no* idea where you'd get that idea |
| 00:20.44 | Dagmar | Were you reading tj's blog? |
| 00:20.47 | Wobin | way to draw conclusions =P |
| 00:21.03 | Dagmar | Maybe you came in during that fake drama bit |
| 00:21.11 | Wobin | "I read three articles over a 3 year period, and I -hated- him" |
| 00:21.31 | Kalroth | You need more than one article to draw conclusions? :p |
| 00:21.34 | Adys | I don't need to watch fox news for two years to figure out they're fuckwads |
| 00:21.46 | Wobin | Adys: yes, but Fox are -consistant- fuckwads |
| 00:21.46 | Dagmar | There was one bit of time where some other blogger made some sarcastic in-joke on their blog and pretended to be miffed, so BRK pretended to go off the hook about it |
| 00:21.53 | Dagmar | that's about as far as that went |
| 00:22.01 | Dagmar | BRK didn't have enemies anywhere that I could see |
| 00:22.03 | Adys | dont remember, it was a year ago |
| 00:22.15 | Adys | shortly before he went on wowinsider |
| 00:22.29 | Dagmar | Might have been about that time |
| 00:22.42 | Wobin | yeah, but that's Wow insider |
| 00:22.46 | Dagmar | Either that or you're thinking of someone else's blog entirely |
| 00:22.52 | Adys | no, definitely brk |
| 00:22.53 | Wobin | if anyone wants to complain, there's where to do it |
| 00:23.01 | Wobin | "OMG you dissed pallies!" |
| 00:23.22 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 00:23.37 | Wobin | I mean, look at the fallout from WoWMatrix on WI |
| 00:23.51 | Dagmar | Frankly tho to go all the way to "complete jerk" you'd almsot have to be living in an alternate universe |
| 00:23.53 | Wobin | pages upon pages of utter crap |
| 00:23.54 | Dagmar | BRK was _really_ mellow |
| 00:24.26 | Adys | there might be that "one thing" that he was called BigRedKitty and that pretty much every BM hunter at the time was a fuckwad |
| 00:24.28 | Wobin | The fact that BRK reduced the number of huntards in the game redeems him totally in my eyes =P |
| 00:24.28 | Dagmar | Wobin: Shills as far as the eye can see |
| 00:24.36 | Adys | it *might* have helped |
| 00:24.56 | Wobin | Adys: guilt by association? =P |
| 00:25.10 | Dagmar | Yeah I'd have never even considered that atk might have been overprovisioned at Wrath if he hadn't mentioned it |
| 00:25.13 | Adys | in general i dont like people who blog about wow |
| 00:25.26 | Wobin | ah, prejudgement based on content! |
| 00:25.30 | Adys | no |
| 00:25.33 | foxlit | you could've stopped at "people" :) |
| 00:25.33 | Adys | once |
| 00:25.34 | Mikk | format! |
| 00:25.45 | Dagmar | ...but sure enough there was whole piles of gear that you could just say "f**k +hit" and pour on more than enough attack power to compensate |
| 00:25.45 | Adys | once again I read 3 articles, I didn't like them |
| 00:26.07 | Adys | he looked like a complete jerk, not my fault there |
| 00:26.13 | Wobin | eh |
| 00:26.21 | Dagmar | I think you were reading a different blog from the rest of us. |
| 00:26.25 | Wobin | nevertheless, he was good for the hunter community |
| 00:26.58 | Dagmar | You dont' really get hundreds of people sending you images and so on by being an ass on your blog |
| 00:27.08 | Wobin | He was sort of like a sports commentator, you either like his style or you don't |
| 00:27.22 | Adys | that might be why i hated his guts |
| 00:27.30 | Dagmar | Who was he being a jerk *to*? |
| 00:27.40 | Wobin | http://www.bigredkitty.net/2009/04/06/top-secret-brk-project/ |
| 00:27.42 | Adys | i dont know it was a year ago |
| 00:27.46 | Dagmar | Hell, I remember him fielding some huntard mail with a smile |
| 00:29.34 | Corrodias | BRK's blog posts were confident (at least when i read them), not jerkish |
| 00:29.54 | Adys | maybe i just read his 3 worst articles ever |
| 00:30.00 | Corrodias | that could be |
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| 00:34.12 | foxlit | teehee, Caelvin with a pet tiger. |
| 00:35.01 | p3lim | when uploading a zip file to wowi, will it keep the original zip file name or will it take over the name of the addon + version? |
| 00:35.11 | foxlit | it will keep the name |
| 00:35.20 | foxlit | Unless it conflicts, in which case it'll add a timestamp. |
| 00:35.21 | p3lim | ok |
| 00:35.40 | p3lim | I really need a ruby script to deal with updating |
| 00:35.48 | p3lim | until wowi gets git |
| 00:36.30 | Wobin | oh wow. http://vimeo.com/4041788 (off topic, but awesome) |
| 00:37.02 | Arrowmaster | Dolby: http://kb.curseforge.com/projects/uploading-through-a-script/ add something like that to WoWI for p3lim |
| 00:37.51 | Arrowmaster | p3lim: actually didnt Shadowed make some automated uploader? |
| 00:38.06 | Shadowed | if by make you mean |
| 00:38.10 | Shadowed | I mashed the keyboard until it worked |
| 00:38.11 | Shadowed | then yes |
| 00:38.49 | p3lim | thing is, id like to get a script that also creates the archive |
| 00:38.56 | Shadowed | huh? |
| 00:38.57 | Mikk | whyever a handful of developers - on a smaaaaallll size project - need git ... i will not understand |
| 00:39.00 | Shadowed | archives are done automatically |
| 00:39.30 | Arrowmaster | Mikk: because its better than the alternatives? |
| 00:39.48 | p3lim | git archive --format=zip prefix==<addonname>/ <addonname><version>.zip |
| 00:40.14 | p3lim | then upload it to wowi, update the toc info, and push it there |
| 00:40.17 | Mikk | if by better you mean learning curve of an inverted L and no gui... yeah ok :P |
| 00:40.29 | Shadowed | Mikk Git has a GUI for Windows |
| 00:40.31 | Arrowmaster | it has a gui |
| 00:40.39 | Arrowmaster | it has a gui for every os |
| 00:40.41 | Shadowed | it could use some work, but it works fine |
| 00:40.45 | p3lim | i use git gui |
| 00:40.47 | Stanzilla | (TortoiseGit :P) |
| 00:40.55 | p3lim | msysgit <3 |
| 00:41.07 | Kalroth | MikkIsAGit |
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| 00:41.11 | p3lim | tekkub uses a perl script |
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| 00:41.25 | Shadowed | think tekkub uses a python one actually |
| 00:41.35 | Kalroth | he would |
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| 00:41.47 | Arrowmaster | git ~= svn and git concepts ~= svn concepts so tortoisegit seems like a stupid idea to me |
| 00:42.04 | Arrowmaster | tekkub does everything in ruby |
| 00:42.07 | Adys | svn == bad |
| 00:42.09 | Shadowed | oh ruby |
| 00:42.11 | Shadowed | thats it |
| 00:42.32 | p3lim | ruby* |
| 00:42.34 | Kalroth | Adys and Tekkub are both "lets use whatever obscure script language that noone uses and call it cool" kinda people |
| 00:42.55 | Arrowmaster | ruby isnt obscure |
| 00:42.56 | Wobin | We once hired a Ruby programmer |
| 00:43.03 | Kalroth | Arrowmaster: as a shell script? |
| 00:43.04 | Wobin | He was soon writing iphone apps |
| 00:43.05 | Adys | Just so the channel knows: Kalroth programs in PASCAL |
| 00:43.17 | Mikk | starts gibbering |
| 00:43.28 | Kalroth | The right tool for the right job, I don't use a hammer to stirr my tea! |
| 00:43.38 | Mikk | PASCAL :( |
| 00:43.48 | Adys | ruby isn't a shell language |
| 00:43.57 | Wobin | scripting language |
| 00:44.02 | Adys | python is a lot more shellish than ruby |
| 00:44.17 | Mikk | define "shell" tbh |
| 00:44.29 | Adys | something you'd use for quick&dirty jobs |
| 00:44.32 | Mikk | has written a web server in awk, served through inetd. |
| 00:44.45 | Kalroth | Python is like "ohnoes, lisp is dying, must invent new language that makes groins bleed" |
| 00:44.46 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 00:44.47 | Corrodias | awk for awkward |
| 00:45.13 | Adys | the only "awkward" thing in python is the strict indentation |
| 00:45.33 | Mikk | which tbh is not a bad idea |
| 00:45.36 | Kalroth | what |
| 00:45.44 | Mikk | indentation being meaningful |
| 00:45.48 | Kalroth | indentation sensitive languages are the worst ever |
| 00:45.50 | Mikk | our brains already treat it as being meaningful |
| 00:46.00 | Kalroth | that's like case sensitive variables |
| 00:46.12 | Kalroth | the language is there to AID the programmer, not lay out little traps here and there |
| 00:46.22 | p3lim | actually: git archive --format=zip --prefix=<addonname>/ <version> > <addonname>-<version>.zip |
| 00:46.24 | Adys | yeah |
| 00:46.24 | Adys | and its natural |
| 00:46.29 | Kalroth | "oh, forgot a tab, eh? I'LL TEACH YOU" |
| 00:46.30 | p3lim | its a mess to do manually |
| 00:46.33 | Adys | "fuck off" isn't the same as "FUCK OFF" in ym brain |
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| 00:46.43 | Adys | s/ym/my/ |
| 00:46.56 | Adys | one is a lot louder and meaningful than the other |
| 00:46.59 | Arrowmaster | p3lim: you can specify a filename with git archive now instead of having to redirect the output |
| 00:47.05 | Mikk | not seeing the problem with indent being meaningful here |
| 00:47.13 | Kalroth | strFuckOff is the same as StrFuckOff in my brain though :p |
| 00:47.24 | p3lim | Arrowmaster: what do you mean? |
| 00:47.46 | Mikk | though if you simply do not like the resulting syntax, maybe what you want is an indent checker |
| 00:47.49 | Arrowmaster | p3lim: --output |
| 00:47.49 | Mikk | or autoindenter |
| 00:47.50 | Adys | Kalroth: you know what else isn't strict? html |
| 00:47.55 | Kalroth | Mikk: if it was optional, sure - but forcing and punishing a programmer for not doing it in a particular way? fuck that :p |
| 00:47.57 | Adys | and now we regret it |
| 00:48.18 | Mikk | Kalroth: you code your logic blocks often without indenting? =P |
| 00:48.48 | Shadowed | indenting is pretty much automatic, don't think I've ever purposely skipped it |
| 00:49.01 | Mikk | likewise |
| 00:49.05 | Adys | same here |
| 00:49.08 | Mikk | i HAVE been shot in the foot by indent and logic not matching up though :< |
| 00:49.10 | Adys | and I need to add |
| 00:49.14 | Shadowed | haha yea |
| 00:49.15 | Adys | python has an amazing indent system |
| 00:49.23 | Kalroth | Mikk: No, but I don't want compiler errors if I setup a loop in a strange way to show the purpose |
| 00:49.28 | Adys | which ignores things like unfinished commas, open dicts and parentheses |
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| 00:49.48 | Adys | so you can style your shit however the hell you want |
| 00:49.49 | Adys | but |
| 00:49.57 | Adys | what is meaningful is always meaningfully indented |
| 00:50.30 | Kalroth | the layout of your code should have fuckall to say about the actual result |
| 00:51.12 | Kalroth | also there is HTML 4 Strict, Adys! |
| 00:51.19 | Wobin | also the "oh you decided to use spaces instead of tabs in this one instance? SCREW YOU!" |
| 00:51.20 | Adys | there isnt any strict html |
| 00:51.23 | Adys | its called xhtml |
| 00:51.30 | Adys | no wobin |
| 00:51.33 | Kalroth | <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" |
| 00:51.34 | Kalroth | "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/strict.dtd"> |
| 00:51.41 | Adys | you can use tabs and spaces however the hell you want too |
| 00:51.41 | Arrowmaster | there is a strict html 4.01 |
| 00:51.45 | Adys | as long as a SINGLE BLOCK |
| 00:51.48 | Adys | is indented the same way |
| 00:51.58 | Adys | so you can do for example |
| 00:52.06 | Wobin | Or "Someone -else- used spaces instead of tabs in this non-singular block" and you have to try and -find- it |
| 00:52.06 | Adys | if foo: |
| 00:52.09 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.11 | Adys | else: |
| 00:52.13 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.33 | p3lim | I have a partially finished ruby script, but im unsure how to actually use it :p |
| 00:52.36 | Adys | Wobin: and thats a good thing |
| 00:52.40 | Kalroth | wat |
| 00:52.47 | Wobin | regardless, it's ridiculous that it's a -requirement- |
| 00:52.47 | Adys | yes |
| 00:52.51 | Kalroth | how is that a good thing? |
| 00:52.57 | Adys | THEY shouldn't have been fucking with indents in the first place |
| 00:53.00 | Adys | its their fault |
| 00:53.07 | Wobin | oh that makes it -all- better |
| 00:53.08 | Kalroth | "YOU FIX YOUR TABS OR THERE'S NO DESERT OR COMPILE, YOUNG LADY" |
| 00:53.11 | Adys | and the hell, I'm not finding it, i'm either reverting or removing |
| 00:53.20 | Adys | also |
| 00:53.20 | Wobin | yes, that solves EVERYTHING =P |
| 00:53.25 | Adys | theres no "you have to try and find it" |
| 00:53.29 | Adys | python gives the very line |
| 00:53.46 | Adys | File "<stdin>", line 1 |
| 00:53.46 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.46 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:53.46 | Adys | IndentationError: unexpected indent |
| 00:53.55 | Kalroth | >< |
| 00:53.58 | Wobin | But, if it wasn't -stupid- in the first place, python wouldn't ever NEED TO |
| 00:54.14 | Wobin | It's one more unnecessary thing to worry about |
| 00:54.35 | Adys | my problem with you guys is, it's people who have barely touched python who come up and say "okay this is horrible and php is better" |
| 00:54.42 | Wobin | File "<stdin>", line 1: You didn't STAND ON ONE FOOT TO COMPILE |
| 00:54.51 | Shadowed | php is pretty evil |
| 00:54.55 | Wobin | I agree |
| 00:55.00 | Industrial | I agree |
| 00:55.04 | Arrowmaster | ive never touched python and i know its better than php |
| 00:55.09 | Wobin | I'm not saying anything is -better- |
| 00:55.13 | Industrial | and I've done a thing or 2 in php :p |
| 00:55.16 | Wobin | I'm saying that the tabs in python are silly! |
| 00:55.19 | Adys | every python programmer gets over the whole indent thing after 2-3 days |
| 00:55.27 | Shadowed | I don't get why anyone can complain about indentation |
| 00:55.36 | Industrial | Wobin: I'm saying the tabs in python are silly but enforce coding style which is awesome |
| 00:55.43 | Adys | and im not kidding. i had a worse face than kalroth's when i heard "indentation is meaningful" |
| 00:55.45 | Kalroth | Shadowed: indentation is fine, forced indentation isn't |
| 00:55.50 | Shadowed | I don't get why anyone can complain about indentation forced or not |
| 00:55.50 | Wobin | this ^ |
| 00:55.56 | Kalroth | Shadowed: Why not? |
| 00:56.14 | Adys | hey Kalroth |
| 00:56.16 | Shadowed | (I haven't used Python keep in mind) but why would you not indent |
| 00:56.17 | Kalroth | it's as dumb as a language forcing CamelCased variables |
| 00:56.21 | Adys | lemme show you something |
| 00:56.56 | Arrowmaster | Industrial: ask Kaelten about the python somebody at curse wrote with single space indentation |
| 00:57.05 | Mikk | well.. we all indent. and we all use languages that force us to put an "end" or "}" at the end of the indented section |
| 00:57.08 | Shadowed | hahah |
| 00:57.09 | Adys | I had two different devs for the js on sigrie |
| 00:57.09 | Shadowed | oh god |
| 00:57.16 | Adys | here is one: |
| 00:57.17 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/static/js/tables.js |
| 00:57.17 | Hirsute | What language forces indentation? |
| 00:57.20 | Adys | here is the other: |
| 00:57.23 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/static/js/tooltip.js |
| 00:57.28 | Wobin | Hirsute: python |
| 00:57.34 | Hirsute | Wobin: Interesting |
| 00:57.36 | Kalroth | Adys: yeah? |
| 00:57.36 | Adys | find out which dev replaced the other. |
| 00:58.04 | Kalroth | I hope it's the latter |
| 00:58.07 | Adys | big hint: its the one whose file is unreadable because of unconsistent indentation |
| 00:58.09 | Industrial | same |
| 00:58.25 | foxlit | You can't read a file because of indentation? |
| 00:58.28 | foxlit | Ouch, man, ouch. |
| 00:58.33 | Adys | .. you can? |
| 00:58.37 | Shadowed | it's not that you can't read it |
| 00:58.37 | foxlit | It's got bigger problems than that, though |
| 00:58.39 | Shadowed | it's that it's a bitch |
| 00:58.40 | Dagmar | No one likes twelve-space tabs. |
| 00:58.41 | Kalroth | foxlit: you can't even compile it! |
| 00:58.43 | foxlit | like _variables |
| 00:58.55 | foxlit | and whatever number of absolutely ungrouped functions |
| 00:58.57 | Industrial | and braces |
| 00:59.27 | Adys | i should give you an early version of this file |
| 00:59.33 | Adys | just so you see how terrible the indent was |
| 00:59.33 | Industrial | and aligning with tabs |
| 00:59.44 | Arrowmaster | Adys: i couldnt tell at first but now i found it, the one that wrote tables.js was replaced |
| 00:59.48 | Wobin | Yeah, but your issue -isn't- that the language doesn't force tabs |
| 00:59.56 | Wobin | it's that you have programmers that are bad. |
| 01:00.09 | Industrial | when the language does that problem is at least fixed beforehand |
| 01:00.19 | Industrial | you can have style guides yes |
| 01:00.24 | Wobin | It's a ridiculous fix that shouldn't ever need to occur |
| 01:00.40 | Wobin | I'd agree with it if it, say, made the code run faster |
| 01:00.47 | Wobin | but it's a hardcoded fix to a SOCIAL issue |
| 01:00.51 | Arrowmaster | many open source projects have style guidelines and will reject patches that dont follow them |
| 01:00.59 | Dagmar | There _used_ to be tools you could use to forcibly tidy C/C++ but they've apparently be abandoned because I've not found anything in the last decade |
| 01:01.01 | foxlit | Hey, here's something: you can ident C-derived syntax any way you like. |
| 01:01.10 | Wobin | proper indenting, clear code, is something you need to teach people to use |
| 01:01.12 | foxlit | And you can re-indent it to your heart's content. |
| 01:01.17 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar: theres still plenty of tools to do that |
| 01:01.25 | Wobin | it's a social thing |
| 01:01.38 | Wobin | hardcoding social solutions is a terrible way to go about it |
| 01:01.52 | Adys | I'll give you html example again |
| 01:02.12 | Adys | it's "free", it lets the developer do whatever typos and what other shit they want |
| 01:02.20 | Dagmar | If your HTML comes out looking like an export from MS Word, it's time to quit |
| 01:02.21 | Adys | fucking hell its horrible. |
| 01:02.31 | Kalroth | Like I said; what if Python forced you to use CamelCase variables or it'd refuse to compile? Same difference for me. |
| 01:02.34 | foxlit | Your example sucks. |
| 01:02.36 | Adys | MSWord exports are more readable than some sites ive seen |
| 01:02.40 | Adys | foxlit: you suck more |
| 01:02.48 | Dagmar | Adys: That would probably be coldfusion at work |
| 01:02.51 | Dagmar | heh |
| 01:02.54 | Kalroth | CF is >< |
| 01:02.57 | Mikk | Kalroth: that's apples and oranges to me |
| 01:03.02 | Kalroth | Mikk: Why? |
| 01:03.08 | Adys | CamelCase is a style |
| 01:03.14 | Kalroth | and indentation isn't? |
| 01:03.19 | Adys | yeah its not |
| 01:03.24 | Kalroth | .. |
| 01:03.36 | foxlit | Adys: nice. |
| 01:03.44 | Shadowed | what |
| 01:03.45 | Mikk | indentation is something that we all do. and expect to see. |
| 01:03.48 | Adys | I'm sorry but how would you like me to come up to you and say "a language that forces you to close braces sucks!" |
| 01:03.53 | Arrowmaster | Kalroth: ruby considers any variable that starts with an upper case letter a constant i think, it wont error if you change it but it will throw warnings if you tell it to show warnings |
| 01:03.58 | Shadowed | indentation makes your code easier to read, variable/function casing is a preference |
| 01:04.00 | Wobin | No really, your example sucks, if you bring out CF =P |
| 01:04.14 | Shadowed | there's no real alternative to indentation |
| 01:04.21 | Kalroth | Shadowed: What? Variable naming doesn't make your code easier to read and understand? |
| 01:04.26 | Kalroth | It's exactly the same. |
| 01:04.27 | Shadowed | Kalroth not in the same way |
| 01:04.32 | Kalroth | Yes it is |
| 01:04.34 | Shadowed | What other alternative is there to indentation Kalroth? |
| 01:04.39 | Adys | Kalroth: look at it this way |
| 01:04.46 | Kalroth | No indentation? |
| 01:04.48 | Shadowed | yea |
| 01:04.51 | Shadowed | good luck with that |
| 01:04.59 | Shadowed | that's not an alternative :p |
| 01:05.04 | Kalroth | At least it's an option, not a language forced style |
| 01:05.09 | Adys | you can avoid indentation in python |
| 01:05.10 | Shadowed | not realy |
| 01:05.29 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, thanks for reminding me to check the indentation on some of my files. ;) |
| 01:05.37 | Adys | >>> print "Kalroth"; print "sucks"; print "big horsedumps"; |
| 01:05.38 | Adys | Kalroth |
| 01:05.38 | Adys | sucks |
| 01:05.38 | Adys | big horsedumps |
| 01:05.39 | Adys | sure you can. |
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| 01:05.44 | Kalroth | Besides, Python only forces indentation per code block - maybe it should do the same for variable names?! |
| 01:05.55 | Kalroth | huh Adys |
| 01:05.56 | Shadowed | You can't compare variable casing and indentation :p |
| 01:06.02 | Adys | no indentation |
| 01:06.05 | Adys | everything in one line |
| 01:06.06 | Kalroth | what does that have to do with indentation, Adys? |
| 01:06.07 | Adys | how you like |
| 01:06.12 | Kalroth | ... |
| 01:06.21 | Kalroth | So you're comparing ; to tab now? :p |
| 01:06.26 | Wobin | And now you're being deliberately obtuse =P |
| 01:06.43 | Shadowed | Kalroth needs to be smacked |
| 01:06.49 | Mikk | would agree |
| 01:06.56 | Adys | is already smacking |
| 01:07.07 | Kalroth | Shadowed: I agree that all coders should use indentation, but I also think that all coders should use the same variable naming convention |
| 01:07.18 | Shadowed | you can't compare it regardless :p |
| 01:07.19 | Adys | so? |
| 01:07.23 | Kalroth | It's a coding style |
| 01:07.30 | Adys | python doesn't force you to use tabs |
| 01:07.33 | Adys | python doesn't force you to use spaces |
| 01:07.33 | cbreak | the amount or type of white space should not influence compilability, since it's invisible. |
| 01:07.46 | Shadowed | The alternative to indentation is no indentation, the only preference for indentation is how much whitespace there is and tabs/spaces |
| 01:07.54 | Adys | python doesn't force you to use any amount of spaces |
| 01:08.07 | Shadowed | and nobody is going to seriously code without indentation |
| 01:08.32 | Adys | look at strict indentation the same way as strict casing is: |
| 01:08.34 | Adys | a GOOD thing |
| 01:08.43 | Kalroth | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.44 | Kalroth | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.44 | Kalroth | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.44 | Kalroth | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.44 | Kalroth | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:08.52 | Kalroth | or?! |
| 01:08.58 | Adys | yeah it wouldn't |
| 01:09.03 | Adys | and if i saw you do that you'd be fired |
| 01:09.05 | Adys | on spot |
| 01:09.08 | Kalroth | haha |
| 01:09.09 | Adys | in ANY language |
| 01:09.31 | Kalroth | Don't worry, I wouldn't be using Python to begin with :p |
| 01:09.36 | foxlit | lock_something() |
| 01:09.38 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.40 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.43 | foxlit | unlock_something() |
| 01:09.59 | Mikk | now THAT was a good example |
| 01:10.07 | Kalroth | no it isn't :p |
| 01:10.23 | Cloudwolf | is any one aware if fan of knives as a Z restriction? |
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| 01:10.40 | Kalroth | if you do critical sections, then you should put them in a try .. finally .. end (or whatever your language of preference got) |
| 01:10.47 | cbreak | int total_price = pizza_costs *4 |
| 01:10.47 | cbreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.47 | cbreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.54 | Kalroth | ^ I like |
| 01:11.18 | Mikk | i think that's valid in python |
| 01:11.22 | Kalroth | although when that short I'd use parentheses instead :) |
| 01:11.25 | magss | Cloudwolf: Yes. I think there's a little leeway, but you couldn't hit something significantly higher than you. |
| 01:11.38 | Cloudwolf | well i just hit something 1 floor above me |
| 01:12.01 | Adys | it is valid |
| 01:12.01 | foxlit | Did that something angrily walk down the stairs and breathe fire on your party? |
| 01:12.02 | Mikk | Kalroth: and not all languages have critical sections ;) |
| 01:12.06 | Adys | as i said |
| 01:12.09 | Mikk | (nor exceptions) |
| 01:12.12 | Adys | python has a smart indent system |
| 01:12.18 | Kalroth | Mikk: Well a similar functionality then :) |
| 01:12.23 | Kalroth | "smart" |
| 01:12.37 | Adys | an open brace, an open tuple, a trailing comma, an escaped linebreak |
| 01:12.45 | Adys | all of those won't raise an indentation error |
| 01:13.30 | Kalroth | okay, how about Pythons comments then? C/C++ got /**/, Python got """"""""""! |
| 01:13.40 | Adys | no? |
| 01:13.42 | Adys | its got # |
| 01:13.49 | Kalroth | block comments, duh :p |
| 01:13.56 | Adys | """ is multiline string, and they're ignored if meaningless |
| 01:14.13 | Adys | and that's not a python-specific thing, you find it in other languages |
| 01:14.17 | Shadowed | I have a better idea |
| 01:14.19 | Shadowed | cake or pie |
| 01:14.22 | Shadowed | is the new topic |
| 01:14.27 | Mikk | pie is clearly superior |
| 01:14.37 | Kalroth | horrible subject, Shadowed, pie of course |
| 01:14.41 | Kalroth | now back to Python bashing! |
| 01:14.49 | Mikk | anyone who likes cake is likely one of those idiots that like soft drinks |
| 01:14.53 | Mikk | which is an equally horrible idea |
| 01:15.03 | Mikk | and totally comparable |
| 01:15.19 | Adys | ive been coding in python for almost two years, and I wouldn't give it up for anything, even if it forced me to use RETARDED_VARIABLE_NAME_CASING |
| 01:15.44 | Adys | they'd have to fuck up the language pretty badly to make it suck |
| 01:15.45 | Kalroth | http://vsbabu.org/mt/archives/2003/09/08/python_is_bad.html aha! |
| 01:16.00 | magss | Mikk: What's wrong with soft drinks? |
| 01:16.02 | Kalroth | Python makes you a poor programmer, proof |
| 01:16.15 | Adys | Kalroth: link me articles newer than FORTRAN's release |
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| 01:16.31 | Kalroth | 2003, Python wasn't a language back then?! |
| 01:16.50 | Mikk | magss: poor score for sarcasm detection :P |
| 01:16.51 | Arrowmaster | it was |
| 01:18.13 | Kalroth | Hah, I didn't know this |
| 01:18.18 | Hirsute | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:18.19 | Kalroth | Ruby is a better language than Python |
| 01:18.23 | Hirsute | Someone did mention CF. |
| 01:18.32 | Hirsute | I thought I felt a shadow pass over the world. |
| 01:19.02 | Kalroth | Using CF is like wanking using rough sand paper |
| 01:19.22 | Kalroth | At first the sensation is new and fresh, but it gets old bloody fast |
| 01:19.33 | Adys | you missed an "and" |
| 01:19.41 | Kalroth | where |
| 01:19.56 | Adys | at the end. |
| 01:20.12 | Kalroth | of which sentence |
| 01:20.12 | Adys | your mom's |
| 01:20.21 | Kalroth | at least my mom isn't french! |
| 01:20.26 | Hirsute | s/old bloody/old and bloody/ |
| 01:20.28 | Kalroth | buuurn! |
| 01:20.30 | Hirsute | I think |
| 01:20.44 | ScytheBlade1 | hrm, is WoWI being... slow for anyone? |
| 01:20.47 | Kalroth | Hirsute: no, bloody fast as in very quickly |
| 01:21.15 | Kalroth | my penis got hard skin, it doesn't get bloody from sandpaper anymore |
| 01:21.17 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: Presto reduced the updates to 5.9 M from 100 M which is a 95% savings. |
| 01:21.29 | Hirsute | Kalroth: Oh, I understood you, I think that was where Adys was saying you missed the and though. |
| 01:21.49 | Kalroth | Hirsute: Yeah, I know, I'm just being an ass |
| 01:22.00 | Adys | you're ALWAYS an ass. |
| 01:22.06 | Kalroth | Adys: you wish |
| 01:22.16 | Adys | oh i do |
| 01:22.24 | Kalroth | I'm being more assy now though, since my account is suspended |
| 01:22.25 | Mikk | *snork* |
| 01:22.29 | Kalroth | so I'm boooored |
| 01:22.37 | Adys | why's it suspended? |
| 01:22.41 | Kalroth | accident |
| 01:22.41 | Adys | you've been an ass ingame too? |
| 01:22.42 | Hirsute | Kalroth: Ah, and I'm slow because I'm trying to chat in here and get 4 kids (2 of them mine) to clean up the wreak they've made of my front room. |
| 01:22.54 | Adys | Kalroth: So you exploited the bg xp gain? :D |
| 01:22.55 | Mikk | "Talking to Lulu was like masturbating with a cheese grader. Slightly amusing, but mostly painful." </Ford Fairlane, Rock'n'Roll detective> |
| 01:22.59 | Kalroth | Adys :P |
| 01:23.11 | Kalroth | Adys: it was an honest accident |
| 01:23.12 | Adys | Kalroth: I hit the nail didn't i |
| 01:23.17 | Adys | right |
| 01:23.17 | Kalroth | yes |
| 01:23.28 | Kalroth | It was only to test if Darkside was correct |
| 01:23.31 | Adys | you just happened to have a mark on your twink |
| 01:23.36 | Kalroth | well uhm, no |
| 01:23.41 | cbreak | bg xp gain? |
| 01:23.53 | Kalroth | I bought 10 marks and transfered them to my rogue and then I accidently used them |
| 01:24.02 | Adys | you could use 2k honor marks in bgs |
| 01:24.17 | Adys | and since experience gained was based on honor gained in a bg |
| 01:24.18 | mikma | mikk: love that movie |
| 01:24.23 | Adys | you'd get powerlevelled |
| 01:24.25 | mikma | mikk: unnnnnnbelievable |
| 01:24.30 | cbreak | nice. |
| 01:24.38 | cbreak | a level 60 in a level 40 bg? :) |
| 01:24.47 | Mikk | be fun while it lasts |
| 01:24.47 | Kalroth | It was 150-200k per token, based on your current level |
| 01:24.48 | Adys | a level 60 in a level 20 bg |
| 01:24.52 | cbreak | (or do you get kicked out when you cross the threshold?) |
| 01:24.53 | Mikk | all of 10 minutes |
| 01:25.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Queued up, and then spammed the RAF level gain. |
| 01:25.10 | Kalroth | I heard of a level 10 that reached 47 or so |
| 01:25.13 | Kalroth | in the same BG |
| 01:25.26 | cbreak | he was probably fairly powerful |
| 01:25.34 | Kalroth | I don't think that was the issue :P |
| 01:25.35 | cbreak | or would have been if he'd had bought any skills |
| 01:25.38 | Mikk | i doubt blizzard thinks the level difference is the problem |
| 01:25.43 | Mikk | seeing as how it lasts all of one BG |
| 01:25.55 | cbreak | people will moan anyway |
| 01:26.11 | Mikk | more the fact that you get lolpowerlevelled without paying for it (RAF!) |
| 01:26.21 | Mikk | getting things without paying = bad for business! :P |
| 01:26.40 | Mikk | (hmm.. i wonder what would happen if you were RAFing while popping those... huhu) |
| 01:26.49 | Kalroth | Mikk: it worked :p |
| 01:27.12 | Kalroth | I didn't try it myself, got no RAF thingy |
| 01:27.12 | Mikk | ah, that's what the test was :P |
| 01:27.21 | Kalroth | But I wasn't the only one that uhhm, tested the bug for Blizzard! |
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| 01:27.26 | Mikk | hehe |
| 01:28.00 | Mikk | if you'd have reported yourself you probably would have been fine |
| 01:28.06 | Kalroth | Nah |
| 01:28.18 | Kalroth | I used 10 tokens, no way I could talk my way out of it :) |
| 01:28.22 | cogumel0 | what events would I have to register to be able to properly change the classicons on my frames ? PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED & PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED or .. ? |
| 01:29.07 | Mikk | cogumel0: install & run devtools. see what events fire. |
| 01:29.08 | Kalroth | cogumel0: it's definitely not the latter |
| 01:29.24 | cogumel0 | why not the latter ? |
| 01:29.28 | Mikk | eh, player_target_changed sounds good to me |
| 01:29.35 | Mikk | (your target UF) |
| 01:29.37 | Kalroth | oh |
| 01:29.41 | cogumel0 | :P |
| 01:29.46 | Kalroth | I thought he wanted party UF icons |
| 01:29.56 | cogumel0 | UF ? |
| 01:30.01 | Adys | unitframe |
| 01:30.01 | Kalroth | unitframe |
| 01:30.14 | cogumel0 | nah, all UFs in general |
| 01:30.15 | Mikk | seriously though, get devtools |
| 01:30.25 | Arrowmaster | dont get devtools |
| 01:30.39 | cogumel0 | if I read the description of PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED correctly, it also fires whilst in a raid |
| 01:30.40 | Kalroth | so self, focused, target, party and raid? |
| 01:30.55 | cogumel0 | forget focused :P |
| 01:31.00 | cogumel0 | and player target wouldn't rly be changing :) |
| 01:31.08 | Mikk | self you mean |
| 01:31.19 | cogumel0 | yeah, meant player frame |
| 01:31.20 | Mikk | it actually can though |
| 01:31.32 | cogumel0 | with vehicles and stuff -.- |
| 01:31.35 | Mikk | during events when you're transformed or controlling stuff |
| 01:31.54 | cogumel0 | forgot about that :P |
| 01:31.57 | Mikk | mages can suddenly have energy bars, etcetc |
| 01:32.06 | Mikk | and everyone can have pets |
| 01:32.11 | cogumel0 | I'll worry about that in v2 :P |
| 01:32.23 | cogumel0 | pets are not entitled to a class icon :D |
| 01:32.45 | cogumel0 | ('cause I hate them) |
| 01:33.27 | cogumel0 | according to what I read though, PARTY_MEMBERS_CHANGED actually triggers way too many times :P |
| 01:33.38 | cogumel0 | like if u have 3 members in a party and a 4th joins, it triggers that event 4x |
| 01:33.50 | cogumel0 | and twice if the loot mode changes :P |
| 01:33.54 | magss | Throttle it if you need to, and update every party member per fire. |
| 01:34.35 | cogumel0 | nah, it's ok. it's only using 7kb atm anyway |
| 01:34.45 | Arrowmaster | ..... |
| 01:34.50 | Kalroth | wat |
| 01:35.07 | cogumel0 | did I say 7kb? sorry meant 3.6kb |
| 01:35.08 | Arrowmaster | *facepalm* |
| 01:35.15 | magss | Heh. |
| 01:35.23 | Kalroth | You should be worried about CPU usage, not memory usage :) |
| 01:35.29 | cogumel0 | yeah true |
| 01:35.38 | cogumel0 | how do I check the cpu cycles btw? :P |
| 01:35.53 | magss | Any number of addons. I like AddonProfiler. |
| 01:36.40 | p3lim | hm github havent been updated with any of my pushes the past 6 hours |
| 01:36.41 | p3lim | :s |
| 01:37.10 | Kalroth | p3lim: stop slacking! |
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| 01:41.03 | p3lim | its github, not me :p |
| 01:41.21 | Mikk | Blizzard_AchievementUI: "Hooray for achievements! Everybody loves Achievements =D" |
| 01:41.27 | Mikk | Blizzard_BarberShopUI: "The barber's blade went snicker-snack! Have you seen my jabberwocky?" |
| 01:41.32 | Mikk | Blizzard_GlyphUI: Get some cool tats and mod your spells. |
| 01:41.34 | Mikk | huhu |
| 01:41.57 | cbreak | gains Achievement "Gained one achievement" |
| 01:42.56 | Thunder_Child | waa |
| 01:44.26 | p3lim | you gone crazy Mikk? |
| 01:45.23 | Mikk | i'm copypasting from the tocs |
| 01:45.44 | foxlit | "I have no plans to eat anybody" |
| 01:46.04 | foxlit | It's an awesome trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFDcaTI0cl8 |
| 01:47.09 | cogumel0 | umm, over 240 secs it used between 0.00 and 0.03 CPU |
| 01:49.24 | mikma | mikk: stop talking in code you monkey |
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| 01:56.05 | p3lim | holy crap that movie is pure acid! |
| 01:56.42 | mikma | fear and loathing in las vegas? |
| 01:57.05 | Kraps | evening |
| 02:00.00 | p3lim | "Where the Wild Things Are" |
| 02:06.09 | mikma | dolby: hey, surround. i has a suggestion! we need a some sort of user-rating "addon still works eventho its outdated" in wowi! |
| 02:06.57 | mikma | "mark addon as working" with login! |
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| 02:08.04 | p3lim | When I tag my addons I push a single commit with a new version number (I use Alpha as the version "number" normally) |
| 02:08.22 | p3lim | How do I get the toc file back on master branch without cloning all over? |
| 02:09.48 | Shirik | Why the hell did Microsoft get rid of "net send" |
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| 02:15.40 | Thunder_Child | because of people like me |
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| 02:18.34 | Nuckin | any russian speakers on here? |
| 02:19.28 | Nuckin | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:20.27 | Dagmar | It's probably spam. Just delete it. |
| 02:20.32 | Dagmar | ...or use Google to translate it. |
| 02:20.59 | Nuckin | google won't translate it and I can't delete comments on WoWI |
| 02:21.15 | Nuckin | ÐÑÑÑÐ¾Ñ Ð¿Ð¸Ð´Ð°ÑÐ°Ñ |
| 02:21.35 | mikma | shirik / adys / cide : http://translationparty.com/tp/#706215 |
| 02:21.47 | Dagmar | Then you've told it the wrong language to translate from |
| 02:21.51 | Dagmar | It might be serbian or something |
| 02:22.28 | Shirik | where is this Nuckin |
| 02:22.31 | Shirik | if you want me to delete it |
| 02:22.41 | Nuckin | well i have translated some before, he posted a day or two ago "It's a pity you don't speak russian" |
| 02:23.07 | Nuckin | on the Addon Comments for Circle Cast and MetaHud Nuckin Branch on WoWI |
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| 02:26.30 | mikma | ~x en ru i like vodka |
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| 02:26.52 | mikma | nuckin: does that help? |
| 02:27.13 | Nuckin | lol |
| 02:27.53 | mikma | so, use ~x ru en (what you pasted, i see ?????? ???????) |
| 02:27.53 | Cloudwolf | ~x en ger Hi i like sourkraut. |
| 02:27.55 | Cloudwolf | XD |
| 02:29.05 | Nuckin | ~x ru en ÐÐ°Ð»Ñ ÑÑ ÑÑÑÑкий не понимаеÑÑ |
| 02:29.16 | mikma | wat |
| 02:29.22 | Nuckin | i don't think purl likes russian |
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| 02:29.25 | Cloudwolf | you just translated russian from russina |
| 02:29.40 | Cloudwolf | ~en us ÐÐ°Ð»Ñ ÑÑ ÑÑÑÑкий не понимаеÑÑ |
| 02:29.41 | Nuckin | orly |
| 02:29.51 | Cloudwolf | maybe |
| 02:29.52 | mikma | ~x en ger i have shit in my leatherpants |
| 02:30.11 | Nuckin | ~x en ru ÐÐ°Ð»Ñ ÑÑ ÑÑÑÑкий не понимаеÑÑ |
| 02:30.16 | Cloudwolf | -X en us ÐÐ°Ð»Ñ ÑÑ ÑÑÑÑкий не понимаеÑÑ |
| 02:30.24 | Cloudwolf | my brains tired |
| 02:30.26 | Nuckin | i alternated it and it still died |
| 02:30.28 | Cloudwolf | ~x en us ÐÐ°Ð»Ñ ÑÑ ÑÑÑÑкий не понимаеÑÑ |
| 02:30.37 | Cloudwolf | your trying to translate russian into russian |
| 02:30.40 | Cloudwolf | >.> |
| 02:30.57 | mikma | he did it right at the first time |
| 02:31.13 | Nuckin | en ru is english to russian right? |
| 02:31.17 | Cloudwolf | and purl doesnt like me lol |
| 02:31.22 | cogumel0 | yay! just finished uploading my first addon on wowinterface. time for bed now |
| 02:31.22 | Cloudwolf | oh derp |
| 02:31.31 | Cloudwolf | ~x ru en ÐÐ°Ð»Ñ ÑÑ ÑÑÑÑкий не понимаеÑÑ |
| 02:31.38 | Nuckin | see |
| 02:31.39 | Nuckin | heh |
| 02:31.41 | Cloudwolf | O.o thats annoyingly odd |
| 02:31.51 | Nuckin | purl isn't multicultural lol |
| 02:32.03 | mikma | ~x en ger lets give some gas to the jews |
| 02:32.07 | cogumel0 | too bad this wasn't even my best addon :S but I accidentally deleted the better 1 |
| 02:32.32 | Cloudwolf | ~x en ger we nazis have no scrotums |
| 02:33.29 | mikma | ~x en ger hey i have a good idea, lapland is cold so lets light a campfire! |
| 02:34.27 | mikma | ahahhahaa |
| 02:34.43 | Nuckin | hahaha |
| 02:35.09 | mikma | ~x en ger oops i did it again |
| 02:36.22 | Shirik | wtf are you guys doing |
| 02:37.22 | mikma | ~x en ger shirik likes it in the butt |
| 02:38.21 | mikma | http://translationparty.com/tp/#707265 |
| 02:41.54 | Zyndrome | http://translationparty.com/tp/#708380 , think I butchered an old swedish proverb :< |
| 02:43.05 | mikma | http://translationparty.com/tp/#708495 =/ |
| 02:43.11 | Hirsute | Heh. |
| 02:43.12 | Hirsute | http://translationparty.com/tp/#708487 |
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| 02:43.46 | Hirsute | I'm honestly not sure how "LED" worked its way in there. |
| 02:43.58 | Shirik | LED! |
| 02:44.12 | Hirsute | Lincoln was obviously ahead of his time, but really. |
| 02:44.19 | Shirik | Four score and seven years ago, this continent a new nation of our ancestors, based on the idea of freedom and equality are created and >>>led<<< the people. |
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| 02:45.20 | Hirsute | Ah, there it is. |
| 02:46.56 | Zyndrome | "IESUADORUFUHITORA, this is the only anagram" |
| 02:47.01 | Zyndrome | I am enlightened |
| 02:48.00 | Shirik | wtf does "Small pots also have ears" mean? |
| 02:48.26 | mikma | zyndrome: http://translationparty.com/tp/#709012 |
| 02:48.47 | Nuckin | Shirik, you delete those comments yet? |
| 02:48.54 | Shirik | oh I missed it |
| 02:49.11 | Shirik | no I didn't miss it |
| 02:49.16 | Zyndrome | Shirik , it's a proverb on that even though kids are small, they still hear a lot of things (and like to repeat it since they dont understand) |
| 02:49.28 | Shirik | you never told me where to go |
| 02:49.49 | Shirik | how does "pot" get in there o.o |
| 02:50.12 | mikma | <0523> <Nuckin> on the Addon Comments for Circle Cast and MetaHud Nuckin Branch on WoWI |
| 02:50.16 | mikma | this it? |
| 02:50.19 | Zyndrome | http://www.billionquotes.com/index.php/Swedish_proverbs |
| 02:50.23 | Zyndrome | knock yourself out |
| 02:50.34 | Nuckin | thanks mikma |
| 02:50.44 | Shirik | w(ed)tb link :( |
| 02:51.31 | Nuckin | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11374-MetaHud-NuckinBranch.html#comments |
| 02:51.44 | Nuckin | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info14117-CircleCast.html#comments |
| 02:52.48 | Shirik | I don't see it on the second one |
| 02:52.51 | Shirik | the first one has been deleted |
| 02:53.08 | Shirik | maybe I clicked the second one first, my bad |
| 02:53.21 | Shirik | hm no |
| 02:53.23 | Shirik | well! They're gone |
| 02:53.41 | Kalroth | mikma: http://translationparty.com/tp/#709599 |
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| 02:58.02 | Nuckin | Shirik: 3rd and 5th comments down on http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11374-MetaHud-NuckinBranch.html#comments |
| 02:58.11 | batrick | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRuNxHqwazs |
| 02:58.24 | Nuckin | Shirik: and thank you, :) |
| 02:58.45 | Shirik | I missed it due to the quote :( |
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| 03:01.31 | mikma | nuckin: well, translators do a sucky job on the texts |
| 03:02.30 | Nuckin | mikma, owell, the kid knows english, he just wants to spite me in russian because i won't restructure my addon to HIS liking |
| 03:02.55 | mikma | wait, what? |
| 03:03.02 | Nuckin | so i'm not worrying about translators lol |
| 03:03.12 | Nuckin | Shirik deleted the comments |
| 03:03.22 | mikma | you mean the addons arent "we will code stuff you ask, for free!" ? |
| 03:03.32 | Nuckin | hahaha |
| 03:04.39 | Nuckin | i really hate that mindset that so many people have |
| 03:04.52 | Arrowmaster | wow |
| 03:05.08 | Arrowmaster | this is really funny especially for the first thing i put it |
| 03:05.11 | Arrowmaster | http://translationparty.com/tp/#710695 |
| 03:05.46 | Nuckin | Arrowmaster: lol! |
| 03:06.25 | Shirik | what the hell? |
| 03:08.15 | Arrowmaster | the 4th english phrase looks good, which is strange considering the 2nd and 3rd ones |
| 03:08.35 | Arrowmaster | but then it goes all to hell on the 5th one |
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| 03:11.00 | Arrowmaster | haha not mine but was on the front page http://translationparty.com/tp/#711214 |
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| 03:12.54 | Shirik | I like the æ¨ææ¨ææ¨æ |
| 03:13.44 | Arrowmaster | did you type that? |
| 03:13.50 | Shirik | nah |
| 03:14.03 | Shirik | I could |
| 03:14.05 | Shirik | but I didn't |
| 03:14.09 | Arrowmaster | looks different than what was on that page |
| 03:14.33 | Shirik | just copy-paste :( |
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| 03:18.16 | Shirik | ãããã |
| 03:18.23 | Shirik | æ¨æ |
| 03:18.28 | Shirik | yay |
| 03:18.31 | Shirik | I learned a new word today |
| 03:18.40 | Shirik | mokuzai - wood |
| 03:18.59 | jnwhiteh | wow |
| 03:18.59 | jnwhiteh | http://translationparty.com/tp/#712198 |
| 03:21.11 | Kalroth | jnwhiteh: http://translationparty.com/tp/#712456 |
| 03:21.21 | Shirik | I think I just confused it: http://translationparty.com/tp/#712485 |
| 03:21.34 | jnwhiteh | haha |
| 03:23.08 | Arrowmaster | http://translationparty.com/tp/#712660 < somebody elses |
| 03:23.40 | Arrowmaster | http://translationparty.com/tp/#712686 < and then i broke it |
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| 03:24.59 | Shirik | ERROR #132 (0x85100084) Fatal Exception |
| 03:24.59 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:26.09 | Kalroth | http://translationparty.com/tp/#712921 |
| 03:27.47 | Shirik | My guild is strange |
| 03:28.04 | Shirik | They're half way through a raid when I log on |
| 03:28.17 | Shirik | but the gmotd says to send !invite to join the raid, so I figure "I'll go say hi!" so I join the raid |
| 03:28.25 | Shirik | and they're all like "wtf how did you hack into our raid?!" |
| 03:28.36 | Kalroth | .. |
| 03:28.49 | NightHawkTheSane | little slow are they? |
| 03:29.01 | Arrowmaster | somebody rickrolled it |
| 03:29.19 | Arrowmaster | http://translationparty.com/tp/#713208 |
| 03:29.30 | Kalroth | hahaha |
| 03:30.08 | Kalroth | I, as I say goodbye, it does not hurt, but running around the desert abandoned touching'll that is not no lie |
| 03:30.12 | Shirik | ~rickroll |
| 03:30.12 | purl | i guess rickroll is http://www.xkcd.com/396/ |
| 03:30.28 | Shirik | purl, jprickroll is Desert, and the separation of the service, ignore the victims touching'll |
| 03:30.29 | purl | okay, Shirik |
| 03:30.43 | Mikk | Mercy of God. Please run in the desert. Of saying goodbye is not really. I told a lie that will not hurt. |
| 03:30.47 | Kalroth | Arrowmaster: coolest part was the comment in the green box |
| 03:30.48 | Shirik | what exactly is "touching'll" |
| 03:30.53 | Kalroth | Arrowmaster: "You're sure are up on your Internet jokes!" |
| 03:30.53 | Shirik | agree Kalroth |
| 03:31.13 | Kalroth | I'm not sure, Shirik |
| 03:31.13 | Kalroth | it's not an original word |
| 03:31.17 | Adys | http://translationparty.com/tp/#713399 |
| 03:31.21 | Arrowmaster | oh i saw that in the source |
| 03:32.16 | Mikk | [2009/08/09 05:17:42-363-x1]: FrameXML\BasicControls.xml:<Scrip...:2: attempt to index global 'ScriptErrors' (a nil value) |
| 03:32.25 | Mikk | Why am I getting that instead of my errors? :< |
| 03:32.41 | Arrowmaster | Mikk: because you or something you are using is calling message() |
| 03:32.53 | Arrowmaster | great QA huh |
| 03:33.21 | Mikk | urrrmmm |
| 03:33.25 | Arrowmaster | i swear thats one of the buggiest changes theyve ever done |
| 03:33.50 | Arrowmaster | ~devtools |
| 03:33.50 | purl | Iriel's DevTools, a highly useful set of debugging tools for developers on WoW. Found at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3999 Why isn't it in the default client yet? |
| 03:34.13 | Arrowmaster | "Why isn't it in the default client yet?" it is now but its totally broken and almost useless! |
| 03:34.33 | Shirik | I do not understand how my internet connection can be so good that I have a 30ms ping |
| 03:34.39 | Shirik | but so bad that I have a 50% packet loss |
| 03:35.04 | Arrowmaster | im also guessing that installing devtools would be bad since they copied parts of it verbatem including the global variable names |
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| 03:35.36 | Kalroth | Shirik: You can have a 30ms ping on a 2400 baud dialup, but WoW wouldn't run well on it :p |
| 03:35.42 | Mikk | Urhm "ScriptErrors" doesn't even exist at startup (with my addon set) |
| 03:35.44 | Sesshu_ | hello guys |
| 03:35.52 | Adys | hello nurse |
| 03:35.52 | Arrowmaster | Mikk: exactly! |
| 03:36.09 | Arrowmaster | Mikk: blizzard didnt change message() when they removed ScriptErrors |
| 03:36.19 | Sesshu | nurse?! |
| 03:36.34 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, because the only packets getting through are the icpm ones |
| 03:36.41 | Mikk | but erm |
| 03:37.00 | Mikk | <Frame name="ScriptErrors" inherits="DialogBoxFrame"> |
| 03:37.04 | Mikk | it's right there in the file? :< |
| 03:37.16 | Arrowmaster | what file? |
| 03:37.20 | Mikk | BasicControls.xml, where message() is also defined? |
| 03:37.27 | Mikk | Or am I looking at a file that no longer exists now |
| 03:37.29 | Mikk | That'd be awesome |
| 03:37.36 | Arrowmaster | you are looking at and older version of it |
| 03:37.41 | Mikk | No, wait, that one does get pulled in |
| 03:37.52 | Mikk | Er, I just ran the devkit 30 minutes ago |
| 03:38.11 | Adys | mikma: If you fail to be filled to the bottom of this site, you need to shut down the Internet |
| 03:38.28 | Arrowmaster | Mikk: are you sure its not in a comment then? |
| 03:38.45 | Mikk | zapping my folders to make sure i'm seeing freshly extracted data |
| 03:39.06 | Arrowmaster | make sure you dont have an old addonkit.exe or whatever its called |
| 03:39.20 | Mikk | i do. it's ancient. |
| 03:39.25 | Arrowmaster | back in wrath beta mine was extracting old versions of stuff until i updated it |
| 03:39.31 | Mikk | o.O |
| 03:39.37 | Arrowmaster | i know |
| 03:39.47 | Arrowmaster | and they dont even put a version number on it |
| 03:41.49 | Mikk | #%&¤#&¤%&%#¤#¤&&#%¤&&#¤ fucking fuckfuckfuckfuck |
| 03:42.02 | Mikk | was checking the wrong wow folder |
| 03:42.03 | Mikk | 2 accs |
| 03:42.09 | Mikk | facedesks |
| 03:43.39 | Mikk | Yeah ok there we go. ScriptErrors has been renamed BasicScriptErrors. |
| 03:43.52 | Arrowmaster | and they didnt change message() |
| 03:44.00 | Mikk | fail. it's in the same bloody file. |
| 03:44.04 | Mikk | ctrl+f would have caught it. |
| 03:44.23 | Arrowmaster | not being a fucking intern would have caught it |
| 03:44.31 | Arrowmaster | its right below the fucking function they changed |
| 03:44.38 | Dagmar | lol |
| 03:44.50 | Shirik | how do you know it was an intern, Arrowmaster oO |
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| 03:44.57 | Mikk | he had a red shirt |
| 03:45.19 | Shirik | doesn't red shirt mean you're going to die? |
| 03:45.27 | Thunder_Child | yep |
| 03:45.38 | Arrowmaster | whoever it was thats been doing the 3.2 framexml is either an intern or somebody new to lua, you can tell if you look at all the changes |
| 03:46.18 | Arrowmaster | blizzard used to be extremely strict on coding style in framexml but the changes in 3.2 broke the coding style all over |
| 03:46.58 | Dagmar | Curlicues *everywhere*. |
| 03:47.27 | Dagmar | Well, let's assume it works |
| 03:47.32 | Dagmar | wrong chsn |
| 03:48.50 | Thunder_Child | X^n + Y^n = Z^n If n is greater than two, can you find any non-zero integers that satisfy the previous equasion. |
| 03:49.04 | Thunder_Child | equation* |
| 03:51.59 | Shirik | Why does my raid info tab show things that have "Lock Expire: Expired" |
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| 03:56.53 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 03:56.54 | purl | ~pong |
| 03:56.57 | Shirik | The internet is awesome |
| 03:57.19 | Shirik | How I can power down my wireless card, turn it back on, reconnect to the router, and still be connected |
| 03:57.31 | Mikk | Shirik: so you can extend it |
| 03:57.40 | Mikk | (the lock) |
| 03:57.47 | Shirik | huh? |
| 03:57.55 | Mikk | 3.2 allows you to extend instances |
| 03:57.58 | Mikk | past the reset |
| 03:57.59 | Shirik | o.O |
| 03:58.17 | Mikk | reading patchnotes carefully i see =) |
| 04:00.48 | Shirik | I read the UI stuff |
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| 04:17.58 | Shirik | I love Windows Live |
| 04:18.05 | Shirik | It is the only program I am aware of that, when you go file->exit, says "Windows Live will continue to run" |
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| 04:19.50 | kd3 | oh wow |
| 04:19.57 | kd3 | good thing I didn't try to play the game tonight or anything |
| 04:20.05 | kd3 | what with all of the qqing about the instance servers |
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| 04:24.01 | Shirik | Can you receieve mail from someone who's on ignore? |
| 04:24.09 | Wimpsy` | Doubt it. |
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| 04:41.40 | Shirik | ok |
| 04:41.44 | Shirik | time to talk something malicious |
| 04:41.50 | Shirik | let us say... my friend has a bunch of roommates |
| 04:41.59 | Shirik | and said friend wants to kick all of said roommates off the network |
| 04:42.13 | Shirik | what would be the easiest way for said friend to accomplish this task? |
| 04:42.22 | Shirik | zero hardware access, must be done remotely |
| 04:42.25 | Nechckn_AFK | change router subnet |
| 04:42.35 | Wimpsy` | Was going to say pull the cord. |
| 04:42.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Hard code the ARP address of the router into your box, send ARP broadcasts telling them that the router is at another MAC |
| 04:42.44 | Shirik | ! |
| 04:42.47 | Shirik | There's an interesting idea |
| 04:42.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Me? |
| 04:42.57 | Wimpsy` | Pulling the cord!? 8D |
| 04:42.58 | Shirik | yes |
| 04:42.58 | ScytheBlade1 | I've never done that before |
| 04:43.00 | ScytheBlade1 | I swear |
| 04:43.02 | Shirik | rofl |
| 04:43.02 | Wimpsy` | Bah. :( |
| 04:43.11 | Shirik | But can you do that on Windows? |
| 04:43.19 | Shirik | My Wine really doesn't like WoW for some reason |
| 04:43.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I've also never hijacked two labs of computers and redirected the filter 'blocked' page to my own custom one |
| 04:43.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Which replaced the blocked reasoning with random 'your mom' insults |
| 04:43.58 | Wimpsy` | >_< |
| 04:44.03 | Shirik | rofl |
| 04:44.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: http://sid.rstack.org/arp-sk/ |
| 04:44.18 | ScytheBlade1 | pats ARP lovingly |
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| 04:45.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Generally speaking, ARP is broadcast fairly often, and a good router will watch for such stuff |
| 04:45.21 | ScytheBlade1 | So as long as you broadcast the 'new' address every second, you should be okay |
| 04:45.22 | Dagmar | More often for added fun |
| 04:45.40 | Dagmar | The idea is to race the ARP queries |
| 04:45.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't even need to do that, really |
| 04:45.58 | Dagmar | ...but once per second is generally enough to catch it between queries and continue winning that race indefinitely |
| 04:45.58 | ScytheBlade1 | In theory, sure, they'll get packets through |
| 04:46.09 | ScytheBlade1 | In practice the user will get frustrated and give up pretty quickly |
| 04:46.11 | Shirik | one packet every so often, no big deal |
| 04:46.20 | Shirik | point is to stop the 3Mbps stream |
| 04:46.28 | Shirik | or at least chop it down to something I can deal with |
| 04:46.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Quite easily done |
| 04:46.35 | Torhal | Shirik: What video driver are you using? (I'm assuming you're using the latest beta of Wine) |
| 04:46.41 | Shirik | I have no idea Torhal :P |
| 04:46.45 | Shirik | it's an ATI card |
| 04:46.47 | Shirik | so glhf |
| 04:46.52 | Torhal | Oh, that's a problem |
| 04:47.45 | ScytheBlade1 | The arp-sk documentation is awesome. Every example involves batman, robin, and the joker |
| 04:47.51 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, what's the difference between winarp-sk and winarp-mim |
| 04:48.02 | ScytheBlade1 | http://sid.rstack.org/arp-sk/figs/arpdos_en.png |
| 04:48.24 | ScytheBlade1 | dunno. I've only ever used the linux version |
| 04:49.05 | Adys | hey |
| 04:49.07 | Adys | I need to know |
| 04:49.11 | Adys | just how bad wowinsider is |
| 04:49.15 | Adys | come on tell me, gimme your worst |
| 04:50.21 | Shirik | but how would I hardcode an ARP address into Windows, ScytheBlade1? |
| 04:50.26 | Shirik | er, a MAC address |
| 04:50.35 | ScytheBlade1 | arp.exe? |
| 04:50.36 | ScytheBlade1 | iirc |
| 04:50.47 | Shirik | oh wow that really exists |
| 04:50.48 | Shirik | wtf |
| 04:50.49 | Shirik | hax |
| 04:51.15 | Shirik | now I need wireshark |
| 04:51.36 | ScytheBlade1 | You do? |
| 04:52.49 | Shirik | to find mac address of router |
| 04:52.59 | Shirik | oh arp -a |
| 04:53.00 | Shirik | nm |
| 04:53.36 | Dagmar | hehe |
| 04:53.42 | Dagmar | Just ping it if the cache entry has expired |
| 04:53.50 | ScytheBlade1 | 00:43 * ScytheBlade1 pats ARP lovingly |
| 04:53.52 | ScytheBlade1 | that is all |
| 04:53.52 | Shirik | nah it's in there |
| 04:53.58 | Shirik | but I don't know where my roommate is |
| 04:54.05 | Dagmar | ARP is one of the more entertaining tools to play with |
| 04:54.15 | Dagmar | Well, so long as you're the one with the faster network stack |
| 04:54.16 | Shirik | I'm at 195, there's someone at 100 |
| 04:54.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Entertaining is a word for it... yes... |
| 04:54.48 | ScytheBlade1 | still fondly remembers the filter redirection he definitely didn't do |
| 04:54.49 | Shirik | there's someone at 193 |
| 04:55.09 | Shirik | someone at 198 |
| 04:55.13 | Shirik | so probably 193 and 198 are my roommates |
| 04:55.40 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: My favorite thing about it is that some cablemodem ISPs don't yet filter ARP |
| 04:55.48 | ScytheBlade1 | ... lol |
| 04:55.54 | Dagmar | ...meaning you can MITM hundreds of people at will. |
| 04:55.56 | Shirik | Dagmar: wtf? |
| 04:55.57 | ScytheBlade1 | I get FLOODED in ARP on my modem interface |
| 04:56.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Never tried to exploit it though |
| 04:56.05 | Dagmar | I personally made them fix it here. |
| 04:56.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Then again, this is comcast |
| 04:56.33 | ScytheBlade1 | They have enough customers that if they didn't filter it, I wouldn't be on the internet now |
| 04:56.42 | Dagmar | Yeah that was the first thing I tried when I saw all thet damn ARP, but now they finally have the option enabled that only allows the one "registered" MAC address to talk through it |
| 04:56.43 | ScytheBlade1 | ... if for no other reason than people like me |
| 04:56.45 | ScytheBlade1 | whistles |
| 04:57.50 | Shirik | C:\Windows\system32>arp -s 192.168.0.1 00-1e-58-02-f1-0c |
| 04:57.50 | Shirik | The ARP entry addition failed: Access is denied. |
| 04:57.51 | Shirik | ? |
| 04:58.26 | Dagmar | Interesting. Trying to do it as a non-administrator? |
| 04:58.33 | Shirik | nope, as administrator |
| 04:58.46 | Dagmar | Two possibilities, one is that you need -p |
| 04:59.15 | Shirik | there's no -p in the options? |
| 04:59.49 | Dagmar | Whoa. It should be allowing it |
| 05:00.00 | Shirik | do I have to disconnect from that interface first? |
| 05:00.04 | ScytheBlade1 | no |
| 05:00.06 | Dagmar | nope. |
| 05:00.16 | Dagmar | Maybe it's carping because that IP address isn't in your netblock? |
| 05:00.21 | ScytheBlade1 | er |
| 05:00.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Try using colons in the MAC? |
| 05:00.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Not sure |
| 05:00.28 | Dagmar | I've never had windows tell me to bugger off on something like that |
| 05:00.31 | Shirik | I did, it said invalid argument |
| 05:00.35 | Shirik | so the - is definitely right |
| 05:00.36 | Dagmar | Nah the help page for arp says Win32 uses dashes |
| 05:00.46 | Shirik | It's already in the arp table |
| 05:00.50 | Shirik | do I have to delete it first? |
| 05:00.54 | Dagmar | I was just checking it because I do that under Linux all the time, and you have to hit it up with -p for publihs |
| 05:01.04 | Dagmar | You shoudln't have to delete an old entry to overwrite it |
| 05:01.50 | imchale | if you're getting broadcast traffic outside of your interface subnet something is horribly brroken |
| 05:02.21 | imchale | not sure how this applies to the topic at hand but hey |
| 05:03.36 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm getting a different error entirely |
| 05:04.46 | Dagmar | It doesn't mean much other than multiple netblocks are being used on the same broadcast segment |
| 05:04.51 | Shirik | "The ARP entry addition failed: Access is denied." |
| 05:04.52 | Shirik | is what I get |
| 05:04.58 | Shirik | oh |
| 05:05.00 | Shirik | I already said that |
| 05:05.01 | Shirik | :/ |
| 05:05.06 | Dagmar | My cablemodem is so retarded it sends some of it's queries on ALL interfaces |
| 05:05.13 | ScytheBlade1 | netsh -c "interface ipv4" |
| 05:05.20 | ScytheBlade1 | set neighbors "Connection_name" "A.B.C.D" "XX-XX-XX-XX-XX-XX" |
| 05:05.36 | Dagmar | VonhintenHOME`: NEVER jokingly respond to a tftp request if you'd like to not have to drive home and reset hte cablemodem at the wall outlet |
| 05:05.41 | Dagmar | @#$%@R autocomplete |
| 05:06.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: yup, tested, the above will work great |
| 05:06.38 | Shirik | I just did something similar, ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:06.43 | Shirik | you lose |
| 05:08.05 | ScytheBlade1 | For the guy who gave you this solution, that's awfully hostile ;) |
| 05:08.52 | Shirik | <3 :( |
| 05:09.13 | Shirik | ok now for the evil stuff |
| 05:09.26 | ScytheBlade1 | You mean awesome stuff |
| 05:09.32 | Shirik | that's in the eye of the beholder |
| 05:10.38 | Shirik | out of curiosity ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:10.39 | Shirik | http://tylachuot.blogspot.com/2009_03_31_archive.html ? |
| 05:10.52 | Shirik | that's where I got the idea |
| 05:11.06 | Shirik | or did you just know |
| 05:11.10 | Shirik | with your infinite networking knowledge |
| 05:11.15 | Shirik | why do you know all this anyway |
| 05:11.45 | ScytheBlade1 | =] |
| 05:11.47 | bleeter | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5988367/Abseiling-sheep-gets-stuck-on-live-wire.html |
| 05:11.50 | bleeter | BAAAAA |
| 05:11.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I like my networking |
| 05:12.02 | kd3 | slow bleeter is slow... I linked that last night |
| 05:12.04 | ScytheBlade1 | With knowledge comes... the ability to exploit the crap out of people and their networking setups |
| 05:12.45 | kd3 | and gah, I'd forgotten how annoying a trackpad is |
| 05:12.53 | kd3 | must buy a little mini-mouse for my new netbook |
| 05:13.00 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: see my earlier presto reduction? |
| 05:13.02 | kd3 | yes |
| 05:13.04 | kd3 | pretty |
| 05:13.07 | ScytheBlade1 | crazy thing |
| 05:14.12 | kd3 | by the way... I'm so very spoiled by my dual-21" setup... the dinky little 10.1" display (1024x600) on my netbook is teeny-tiny |
| 05:14.32 | ScytheBlade1 | heh, yup. |
| 05:14.42 | Dagmar | s/trackpad/fumblepad/; |
| 05:14.44 | ScytheBlade1 | It'd be a lot better if it was a standard wirescreen resolution, I'm sure |
| 05:15.02 | ScytheBlade1 | hugs his 1680x1050 laptop |
| 05:15.02 | bleeter | kd3: well s'cuse me for catching up on sleep :P.. also, you didn't ping me! |
| 05:15.21 | kd3 | heh. it's my turn to catch up on sleep for a change. my first sunday off in like 6 weeks |
| 05:15.48 | ScytheBlade1 | http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/dan/8-4-09/GundamPanda1.jpg |
| 05:15.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ subtle |
| 05:15.55 | ScytheBlade1 | But a good photoshop |
| 05:16.59 | Dagmar | I wouldn't be so sure |
| 05:18.02 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, this command in the tutorial doesn't make much sense |
| 05:18.11 | Shirik | what is --rand-arp-hwa-src? |
| 05:18.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Random hardware ARP source? |
| 05:18.20 | Shirik | it's not available in my version |
| 05:18.30 | Shirik | then why -S batman? |
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| 05:18.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Jerk, making me install arp-sk |
| 05:18.49 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:18.56 | Shirik | I think maybe the options are different in windows? |
| 05:19.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Likely |
| 05:19.19 | Shirik | More importantly |
| 05:19.21 | Shirik | why -S batman at all |
| 05:19.31 | Shirik | shouldn't the source be the IP address? |
| 05:19.38 | ScytheBlade1 | no? |
| 05:19.42 | Shirik | you want to specify the right IP address with the wrong MAC, no? |
| 05:19.43 | ScytheBlade1 | ARP doesn't run on the IP level.. |
| 05:20.01 | Shirik | I thought ARP handled IP-MAC translation? |
| 05:20.07 | ScytheBlade1 | resolution |
| 05:20.10 | Shirik | whatever |
| 05:20.35 | Shirik | so my goal here is to provide a wrong MAC address to send packets to when the goal is to hit 192.168.0.1 |
| 05:20.37 | Shirik | right? |
| 05:20.42 | ScytheBlade1 | right |
| 05:20.46 | A-KO | arp spoof is win |
| 05:20.49 | Shirik | so my source should be 192.168.0.1 |
| 05:20.52 | A-KO | but you have to spoof both hosts |
| 05:21.04 | A-KO | the arpspoof util is like arpspoof -t <target> <ip-to-spoof> |
| 05:21.06 | Shirik | but, at least for my purposes, -S is hardware source, not IP source |
| 05:21.19 | Shirik | s/purposes/version/ |
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| 05:24.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Just use the spoofing |
| 05:24.54 | Shirik | my modified attack, ScytheBlade1: http://wowi.pastey.net/120409 |
| 05:25.19 | ScytheBlade1 | okay something you should know about arp |
| 05:25.21 | Shirik | which would be correct |
| 05:25.34 | ScytheBlade1 | It is entirely open in terms of auth |
| 05:25.44 | ScytheBlade1 | You can send data from anything to anything with any value in any field |
| 05:25.50 | Shirik | right |
| 05:26.03 | Shirik | I took a telecommunications class :P |
| 05:26.09 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:26.10 | Shirik | wasn't enough |
| 05:26.11 | Shirik | but I did |
| 05:26.22 | Shirik | telecommunications = digital telecomms, i.e., IP protocol, etc. |
| 05:26.26 | Shirik | ATM machine |
| 05:26.29 | Shirik | RPC call |
| 05:26.29 | ScytheBlade1 | okay lol |
| 05:26.34 | ScytheBlade1 | You're backwards |
| 05:26.41 | ScytheBlade1 | -d sender_IP |
| 05:26.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Are you .193? |
| 05:26.54 | Shirik | no |
| 05:27.00 | ScytheBlade1 | That looks to be a problem then |
| 05:27.02 | Shirik | I'm trying to kill 193 |
| 05:27.21 | Shirik | I'm 195 |
| 05:27.27 | Shirik | I'm trying to deny 193 access to 1 |
| 05:28.04 | ScytheBlade1 | It looks like the windows version is radically different from the linux version |
| 05:29.41 | Thunder_Child | i hate you Shiibot |
| 05:29.46 | Thunder_Child | i hate you Shirik* |
| 05:30.09 | Thunder_Child | you also forgot NIC card |
| 05:30.18 | Thunder_Child | and PIN number |
| 05:30.18 | Shirik | I think I got it? |
| 05:30.23 | Shirik | Is this right ScytheBlade1? |
| 05:30.45 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/120410 |
| 05:30.48 | Shirik | Is that what it usually looks like? |
| 05:31.37 | ScytheBlade1 | That is what the output looks like, yes |
| 05:31.47 | Shirik | I think I got it |
| 05:31.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Is the DMAC .193? |
| 05:31.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Looks like |
| 05:32.07 | Shirik | the victim is .193 |
| 05:32.27 | ScytheBlade1 | 00-1e-58-02-f1-0c = you? |
| 05:32.34 | Shirik | no that's the router |
| 05:32.40 | Shirik | I just wanted to verify it worked first |
| 05:32.49 | Shirik | I now changed it to a "random" MAC address |
| 05:32.53 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 05:32.55 | ScytheBlade1 | okay good |
| 05:32.56 | Shirik | random == 01-23-45-67-89-ab |
| 05:33.17 | Shirik | I'm floating arond 30ms ping and 0% packet loss |
| 05:33.36 | Shirik | A few kinks where it hits 80ms but I'm on a wireless connection |
| 05:33.41 | Shirik | I was experiencing about 20% packet loss earlier |
| 05:35.47 | Shirik | I love you ScytheBlade1 |
| 05:35.55 | ScytheBlade1 | yw |
| 05:36.21 | ScytheBlade1 | I recommend saving that command somewhere |
| 05:36.27 | Shirik | it's now in my IRC logs :P |
| 05:36.49 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 05:37.02 | ScytheBlade1 | As in a script that you can just click on |
| 05:37.41 | Shirik | omg, 50ms in dalaran |
| 05:37.47 | Shirik | I need to do this during raids |
| 05:38.01 | ScytheBlade1 | wonders what he has done to the world |
| 05:40.23 | Thunder_Child | what....just now wondering? |
| 05:40.32 | Shirik | Problem with this attack, ScytheBlade1: Requires knowledge of IP |
| 05:40.33 | Shirik | OMG! |
| 05:40.36 | Shirik | I know |
| 05:40.42 | Shirik | I'll just write a program to search for all IPs |
| 05:40.47 | Shirik | check them against a whitelist |
| 05:40.54 | Shirik | then spawn attacks against any not on the whitelist |
| 05:41.12 | Thunder_Child | you go Shirik, you go write a program that already exists |
| 05:41.20 | Shirik | ? |
| 05:41.27 | Shirik | what exists :( |
| 05:41.46 | Thunder_Child | seriously? you can not understand what i am refering to? |
| 05:42.42 | Thunder_Child | sighs and meanders away |
| 05:43.35 | Shirik | I would think of nmap |
| 05:43.36 | Shirik | but |
| 05:43.47 | Shirik | that doesn't take the next step of running winarp_sk on addresses |
| 05:43.51 | Shirik | unless I don't know how to use it |
| 05:43.55 | Shirik | which is very likely |
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| 06:12.36 | Arrowmaster | so i am looking at a 55mb shell script |
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| 06:15.59 | Arrowmaster | i stand corrected its not a shell script, its a shell script with a jar attacked to the end of it |
| 06:18.16 | Arrowmaster | atleast i think its a jar |
| 06:18.38 | Adys | does it have cookies in it? |
| 06:19.05 | Arrowmaster | no i think it has an entire java virtual machine in it and the code for the jvm to run |
| 06:20.59 | Adys | does it also pack any operating system in case its lacking |
| 06:21.20 | Adys | s/any/an/ |
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| 06:27.34 | A-KO | okay so I'm still at ends on getting this working properly. If anyone has any ideas that could help that'd be great. I have a frame, with a texture set to the Empty Slot texture (like you would see in a bag window)....and when I drag an item to it, it's supposed to update the texture to the item's texture--which it does. The problem is the new texture is much larger than the original frame. I've tried various things from setting all points to the parent, to |
| 06:30.50 | Adys | A-KO: you got cut |
| 06:30.55 | Adys | and some code would be nice |
| 06:31.36 | Thunder_Child | A-KO, has what you are trying to do been done before? |
| 06:32.43 | A-KO | Thunder_Child: uhm, probably, sure, but this is partially al earning experience for me so :P ya know |
| 06:32.58 | Thunder_Child | A-KO, i mean you could see what they did |
| 06:34.02 | A-KO | Thunder_Child: tried, tried inheriting various tmeplates the wow ui uses also (the stuff in the trade frame, etc) and to no avail |
| 06:34.24 | A-KO | I probably just chose the wrong things to inherit |
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| 06:36.34 | A-KO | and I think I might have found the problem but we'll see |
| 06:37.58 | A-KO | and wow if this is it |
| 06:38.13 | A-KO | negative, not it :( sigh |
| 06:43.09 | A-KO | http://pastebay.com/36429 < the relative points of the function at the top, and the frame itself |
| 06:43.24 | A-KO | pardon the odd uhm...spacing, must have been from the copy/paste, heh |
| 06:43.43 | A-KO | it drags fine, it sets the icon, that part works |
| 06:43.50 | A-KO | it's just > 64x64 |
| 06:44.45 | Adys | slashdot rss ads: |
| 06:44.56 | Adys | http://googleads.g.doubleclick.net/pagead/imgad?id=CL31ibLK6aLWxwEQrAIY7wEyCLgGSdGGXfmo |
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| 06:47.33 | Sabaren | I hate fuzzy borders. :( |
| 06:49.24 | Sabaren | I made a whole addon to try and debug the awful resolution scaling to get clean borders, still can't completely figure it out. |
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| 06:51.23 | A-KO | hmmm |
| 06:51.49 | A-KO | SetScale works but the icon now doesn't stay in place lol... |
| 06:51.54 | A-KO | sigh this is freaking retarded.. |
| 06:52.38 | tem | 30 rock is fucking awesome |
| 06:52.44 | tem | just putting that out there |
| 06:54.12 | Arrowmaster | ok now this is fucked up |
| 06:54.47 | Arrowmaster | why the hell is my raid array appearing as /dev/sdb between my two sata drives |
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| 07:10.51 | Sabaren | I still do not understand scaling and resolution in WoW. No matter what, 1680X1050 is 1228.8X768. |
| 07:11.23 | Shirik | ok ScytheBlade1, new problem |
| 07:11.28 | Shirik | how do you find someone that's not responding to pings |
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| 07:17.13 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, save all unanswered pings to a file and do a port scan |
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| 07:26.56 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/latest new push |
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| 07:32.00 | Sabaren | Book of crafting secrets. :o |
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| 08:17.13 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1, epic failure |
| 08:22.17 | Shirik | I think I'm going to have to emulate Linux from Windows |
| 08:22.26 | Shirik | hopefully virtualpc doesn't throw a fit |
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| 08:37.00 | Sabaren | GetScreenHeight() doesn't seem to be getting passed correctly. |
| 08:37.59 | Sabaren | My addon has print(GetScreenHeight()) when when the addon is loaded (/reload) shows 768 in the chat pane, but when I type it in manually it shows up as 833.33 |
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| 08:41.39 | Sabaren | UIParent:Scale() also goes to 0.89999 even though I don't use a uiScale. |
| 08:44.33 | Shirik | I think I just found THE coolest bug in Windows 7 |
| 08:44.53 | Shirik | If you rename a directory and the only change you make is putting a . at the end |
| 08:44.56 | Shirik | it disappears |
| 08:45.07 | Shirik | it's still there, and it hasn't been renamed, but you can't see it anymore |
| 08:45.15 | Shirik | Reopening explorer makes it reappear |
| 08:45.27 | nevcairiel | F5 already makes it reappear |
| 08:45.36 | Shirik | ok F5 |
| 08:45.37 | Shirik | whatever |
| 08:45.40 | Shirik | it still disappears! |
| 08:45.50 | nevcairiel | I've seen many of those not-refreshing-issues |
| 08:45.59 | nevcairiel | you can move a file, and the new one doesnt show up until you refresh |
| 08:46.06 | Shirik | well |
| 08:46.07 | nevcairiel | its annoying sometimes |
| 08:46.09 | Shirik | it's not doing anything |
| 08:46.15 | Shirik | it never renamed the directory |
| 08:46.21 | Spellbinder-afk | F5 is soft, i believe Ctrl+F5 is hard reset of cache |
| 08:46.23 | Spellbinder-afk | or was |
| 08:46.31 | nevcairiel | the explorer doesnt cache |
| 08:46.32 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 08:46.50 | Spellbinder-afk | ok sry thought you meant IE |
| 08:46.52 | Shirik | I could kinda understand if I was moving it |
| 08:50.31 | Shirik | aclocal && autoconf && automake && ./configure && make && make install |
| 08:50.32 | Shirik | ow |
| 08:50.37 | Shirik | is that typical after patching files? |
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| 08:51.08 | nevcairiel | depends what you patch |
| 08:51.20 | Shirik | well something broke :/ |
| 08:51.28 | nevcairiel | most likely you can patch after ./configure and just make again |
| 08:51.40 | Wimpsy` | Anyone know of an addon that removes the square brackets in chat |
| 08:51.41 | Wimpsy` | ? |
| 08:52.01 | Shirik | well that's the command I was told to run |
| 08:52.05 | Shirik | however automake is getting pissed off |
| 08:52.30 | Shirik | configure.in:92: warning: AC_CACHE_VAL(ac_libnet_have_packet_socket, ...): suspi |
| 08:52.30 | Shirik | cious cache-id, must contain _cv_ to be cached |
| 08:52.31 | Shirik | :( |
| 08:52.39 | nevcairiel | its a warning |
| 08:52.45 | Shirik | well it failed |
| 08:52.49 | Shirik | there's a bunch of other stuff |
| 08:53.30 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/120426 |
| 08:54.30 | Shirik | oh |
| 08:54.34 | Shirik | no, I don't know |
| 08:54.35 | Shirik | bleh |
| 08:54.41 | Shirik | well, I just went on to ./configure myself |
| 08:54.48 | Shirik | I guess automake returned a non-zero code because of warnings? |
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| 09:31.52 | ReAn | any shamen lurking? |
| 09:36.31 | Sabaren | I have a shaman alt.. depends on what you need. |
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| 09:48.24 | ReAn | i was curious, what should i level my shaman as? |
| 09:48.30 | ReAn | i like ele / enhc about the same |
| 09:48.34 | ReAn | 70->80 |
| 09:48.36 | batrick | i hear ench |
| 09:48.46 | batrick | err, enhancement |
| 09:48.57 | ReAn | did you hear any of the reasons why? |
| 09:49.19 | ReAn | cuz i've got about 1k spell power right now as ele, but im not sure where my enhance gear is at |
| 09:49.26 | ReAn | it's been a while since i played my shaman |
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| 09:49.50 | Shirik|Ghost | here's a fun question |
| 09:50.00 | Shirik|Ghost | Linux box, you've got an X server running |
| 09:50.00 | ReAn | sup Shirik|Ghost? |
| 09:50.02 | Shirik|Ghost | but no mouse |
| 09:50.16 | Shirik | you have no idea what your username/password is |
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| 09:50.42 | widgertick | ReAn: 70-80 ele is fine if you have gear |
| 09:51.18 | Shirik | What was my disconnect reason? |
| 09:51.18 | Shirik | Did anyone catch that? |
| 09:51.18 | widgertick | No reason to switch to enhance, the enemies are pushovers |
| 09:51.25 | widgertick | Nick collision from services. |
| 09:51.29 | Shirik | That's what I thought |
| 09:51.33 | Shirik | oh crap |
| 09:51.36 | Shirik | I have two IRC open |
| 09:51.41 | ReAn | Quits: @Shirik (n=mpdelbuo@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik) (Nick collision from services.) |
| 09:51.47 | Shirik | anyway! |
| 09:51.53 | widgertick | <3 Shirik |
| 09:51.57 | Shirik | So, fun task |
| 09:51.59 | widgertick | Are you coming to BlizzCon? |
| 09:52.01 | Shirik | figure out my username |
| 09:52.16 | Shirik | I have X server running (Xvesa), but no mouse |
| 09:52.25 | Shirik | Can't switch into a console because I don't know the login info |
| 09:52.30 | Shirik | suggestions? |
| 09:52.58 | Shirik | widgertick, no, because I have to be in school :/ |
| 09:52.58 | ReAn | can't remember the hotkey to open the app bar |
| 09:52.58 | ReAn | if you can figure that out |
| 09:52.58 | ReAn | open a shell |
| 09:52.59 | Arrowmaster | what are you running? |
| 09:53.00 | ReAn | and change your password |
| 09:53.03 | ReAn | oh wait |
| 09:53.06 | ReAn | you don't know the old one |
| 09:53.09 | ReAn | >_> |
| 09:53.11 | ReAn | doh |
| 09:53.16 | Shirik | puppy linux |
| 09:53.27 | Shirik | ok, I should clarify |
| 09:53.34 | Arrowmaster | in a vm? |
| 09:53.36 | nevcairiel | how do you not know the login info? :P |
| 09:53.36 | Shirik | my username is root, because puppy linux always runs in root by default |
| 09:53.43 | ReAn | >_< |
| 09:53.44 | Shirik | but I have no idea what the password is |
| 09:53.53 | Shirik | there's obviously not NO password |
| 09:53.54 | nevcairiel | also, attach a mouse :P |
| 09:53.59 | Shirik | It's in a VM |
| 09:54.04 | Shirik | and there is a mouse, Xvesa just sucks |
| 09:54.08 | ReAn | >_> |
| 09:54.10 | Arrowmaster | grub or lilo? |
| 09:54.13 | Shirik | and Xorg doesn't work |
| 09:54.18 | Arrowmaster | just boot into single user mode |
| 09:54.21 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: no |
| 09:54.36 | Shirik | hm, how? |
| 09:54.42 | Shirik | runlevel 3? |
| 09:54.47 | Arrowmaster | runlevel 1 |
| 09:54.50 | ReAn | Shirik: i dunno if you can, but you might be able to edit /etc/passwd forceably, i don't remember the specifics behind linux Auth tho |
| 09:54.52 | Shirik | but I need networking |
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| 09:55.18 | Shirik | my whole reason for this is for my linux-in-vm to kill my roommates' connections |
| 09:55.24 | Shirik | so I can actually arena this weekend |
| 09:55.35 | Arrowmaster | why dont you have a mouse? |
| 09:55.40 | ReAn | Shirik: download a diff distro, install overtop in a vm |
| 09:55.42 | Shirik | Because Xvesa sucks |
| 09:55.53 | Shirik | it's not recognizing my mouse |
| 09:55.56 | Arrowmaster | so why are you using it? |
| 09:56.06 | Shirik | because Xorg isn't even showing up |
| 09:56.13 | ReAn | like i said |
| 09:56.17 | ReAn | get a diff linux distro |
| 09:57.41 | Shirik | suggestions? |
| 09:57.46 | Shirik | gentoo! |
| 09:57.50 | Shirik | going to get gentoo |
| 09:58.15 | nevcairiel | setting up gentoo with a Xorg env will take you a while, though =) |
| 09:58.33 | Shirik | screw xorg |
| 09:58.34 | Arrowmaster | just installing gentoo will take you a while |
| 09:58.36 | Shirik | I just need command line |
| 09:58.41 | nevcairiel | ah |
| 09:58.45 | nevcairiel | i thought you wanted X |
| 09:59.31 | Shirik | no, screw X |
| 09:59.31 | Shirik | 99% of my Linux experience has been with servers |
| 09:59.31 | Arrowmaster | mine too |
| 09:59.31 | Shirik | I just need arp-sk |
| 09:59.54 | Arrowmaster | which is why its taking me forever to setup this linux desktop |
| 10:00.20 | nevcairiel | Ive been working on seting up a new linux desktop on my laptop |
| 10:00.24 | nevcairiel | thank god for distcc |
| 10:01.41 | Arrowmaster | fuck im an idiot, ive been wondering why the fuck this raid was failing to mount for a while and i finally figured it out |
| 10:02.25 | Shirik | this is depressing |
| 10:02.39 | Shirik | I download a "minimal install CD" |
| 10:02.40 | Shirik | it's 120MB |
| 10:02.50 | Arrowmaster | i forgot to create the mount point |
| 10:02.58 | nevcairiel | it contains like all drivers for everything |
| 10:03.01 | nevcairiel | what do you expect :P |
| 10:03.21 | Shirik | Is this where I'm allowed to say that drivers are overrated? |
| 10:03.39 | Arrowmaster | umm i can boot on any hardware with much less than 120mb |
| 10:03.58 | Sabaren | Anybody know about coloring with oUF? |
| 10:04.01 | nevcairiel | the gentoo minimal cd is the only disc that never had issues with detecting *any* hardware i used it on |
| 10:04.16 | nevcairiel | from desktop to server hardware |
| 10:04.39 | nevcairiel | besides, my image is just 80mb o.O |
| 10:06.15 | nevcairiel | or you got the amd64 image, thats 120mb |
| 10:06.31 | Shirik | yeah I got the amd64 one |
| 10:06.53 | nevcairiel | i believe it contains some of the x86emul libs |
| 10:08.29 | Arrowmaster | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/120453 =D |
| 10:09.23 | Shirik | oh virtualpc you are full of fail |
| 10:09.44 | nevcairiel | i never understood why people split their linux into 10 partitions |
| 10:09.50 | Arrowmaster | 191MB used by im guessing just inodes on a fresh format is funny |
| 10:09.51 | Shirik | apparently it advertises itself as an i686 |
| 10:09.54 | nevcairiel | sure, maybe /home |
| 10:09.58 | nevcairiel | but everything else o.O |
| 10:10.20 | Arrowmaster | nevcairiel: well /var can fill up quickly if something goes wrong |
| 10:10.38 | Shirik | your swap file must be on a separate partition of course |
| 10:10.43 | Shirik | and your boot partition too |
| 10:10.49 | Arrowmaster | boot doesnt have to be |
| 10:10.52 | nevcairiel | sure, default layout is 3 partitions |
| 10:10.52 | Arrowmaster | but its best if it is |
| 10:10.54 | Shirik | it has to be |
| 10:10.57 | nevcairiel | boot, swap, root |
| 10:10.59 | Arrowmaster | no it does not |
| 10:11.00 | Shirik | because if you don't |
| 10:11.08 | Shirik | then your hard drive might get all confused and shit |
| 10:11.29 | Shirik | no, I've never understood why everyone does "boot, swap, root" |
| 10:11.31 | Shirik | it makes no sense |
| 10:11.35 | Shirik | swap file is.... just a file.... |
| 10:11.42 | nevcairiel | not in linux :P |
| 10:11.43 | Arrowmaster | its a partition |
| 10:11.47 | Shirik | but why not |
| 10:11.53 | nevcairiel | why is it a file? |
| 10:11.56 | nevcairiel | because MS says it is? |
| 10:11.59 | Shirik | it doesn't even have to be a file |
| 10:12.00 | nevcairiel | spoiled kid :P |
| 10:12.06 | Shirik | it's just data |
| 10:12.12 | Shirik | why does it need its own partition |
| 10:12.29 | Shirik | so it doesn't overwrite the filesystem? |
| 10:12.36 | Arrowmaster | so you can have a swap while still having a ro filesystem |
| 10:12.45 | Shirik | ok, that's a special case |
| 10:12.49 | Arrowmaster | no its not |
| 10:12.52 | nevcairiel | you can store the swap in a file as well on linux |
| 10:12.54 | nevcairiel | but no-one does that |
| 10:13.02 | Shirik | why not? |
| 10:13.07 | nevcairiel | why would you? |
| 10:13.08 | Arrowmaster | also files can get fragmented if you change their size a lot |
| 10:13.15 | Shirik | I don't see the benefit of using 3 of your 4 primary partitions for one OS |
| 10:13.26 | nevcairiel | a partition is guaranteed to not fragment, and not being touched by userspace |
| 10:13.27 | Shirik | not to mention, having to remember which 3 partitions it is every time you want to get rid of an OS |
| 10:13.38 | Arrowmaster | 3? |
| 10:13.41 | Shirik | A file is guaranteed not to be touched, too |
| 10:13.42 | Arrowmaster | i only use 2 |
| 10:13.46 | cbreak | fragmentation of a swap file is irelevant |
| 10:13.49 | Shirik | If your OS is not stupid |
| 10:13.49 | nevcairiel | Shirik: you dont have to use primary partitions |
| 10:13.57 | cbreak | since memory (which is stored in a swap file) is inherently fragmented already |
| 10:13.59 | Shirik | nevcairiel: Can I reword that? |
| 10:14.02 | Shirik | You CAN'T |
| 10:14.05 | Shirik | if you have more than one OS |
| 10:14.10 | Shirik | I find that to be a flaw |
| 10:14.11 | nevcairiel | besides, the limit of 4 is gone |
| 10:14.16 | Arrowmaster | i only used 2 partitions period |
| 10:14.16 | Shirik | Not really |
| 10:14.24 | nevcairiel | i've had more then 4 on win7 |
| 10:14.31 | Arrowmaster | win7 can use gpt |
| 10:14.45 | Shirik | that doesn't mean it's gone :P It just means times are changing |
| 10:14.50 | nevcairiel | 2 windows partitions, 3 linux partitions |
| 10:14.51 | nevcairiel | all primary |
| 10:14.53 | nevcairiel | worked fine |
| 10:15.02 | Arrowmaster | lots of things except xp32 can use gpt |
| 10:15.04 | Shirik | I use ipv6. Therefore ipv4 is gone. |
| 10:15.42 | nevcairiel | that comparison is full of fail |
| 10:15.59 | Shirik | well anyway |
| 10:16.02 | cbreak | hmm. I can have up to 16 partitions it seems. |
| 10:16.03 | Shirik | regardless |
| 10:16.24 | Shirik | why the hell is gentoo's screen massive |
| 10:16.30 | Arrowmaster | im only using a total of 3 partitions with 10 drives |
| 10:16.35 | nevcairiel | because it uses a framebuffer |
| 10:16.46 | Shirik | and this is "minimal? |
| 10:17.01 | nevcairiel | the framebuffer driver is part of the kernel, it doesnt take up space :P |
| 10:17.07 | nevcairiel | much space, anyway |
| 10:17.13 | Shirik | This sounds like a good time to go back to "the linux kernel is screwed" |
| 10:17.14 | Arrowmaster | unless you compile the kernel without it |
| 10:17.37 | Shirik | I really wish someone would make a true GPOS microkernel |
| 10:17.38 | nevcairiel | When you sit on front of a box with a big screen, you thank them for the framebuffer |
| 10:17.49 | Shirik | I have no problem with the framebuffer |
| 10:18.01 | Shirik | I have a problem with EVERY SINGLE FEATURE being in the kernel |
| 10:18.12 | Shirik | You know what, I'm going to make a game for Linux |
| 10:18.15 | Shirik | and I'm going to make it a kernel module |
| 10:18.25 | Arrowmaster | how would you do that without putting it into the kernel |
| 10:18.25 | nevcairiel | sure, when you only want to play as root :P |
| 10:18.26 | Shirik | I will claim it's a kernel module to improve its framerate |
| 10:18.29 | cbreak | linux is a macro kernel architecture. They love extending it |
| 10:18.55 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: QNX doesn't have a single "driver" in the old sense of the word. Everything is an application |
| 10:19.00 | Shirik | Ask them how they did it |
| 10:19.11 | Shirik | it's open source so you could see for yourself |
| 10:19.26 | Arrowmaster | its a microkernel |
| 10:19.30 | Shirik | exactly |
| 10:19.31 | cbreak | mach has a micro kernel architecture. but people complained it'd be slow |
| 10:19.45 | Shirik | QNX is a brilliant architecture |
| 10:19.51 | Shirik | only what absolutely needs to go in the kernel actually goes there |
| 10:20.02 | nevcairiel | then why doesnt everyone use it if its so good ? :P |
| 10:20.18 | Shirik | Because it's an RTOS |
| 10:20.25 | Arrowmaster | i dont know go ask RMS when GNU/Hurd will be finished |
| 10:20.44 | nevcairiel | Hurd will never be finished |
| 10:21.09 | Arrowmaster | microkernels are extremely complex and take a lot longer to develop than monolithic kernels |
| 10:21.17 | Shirik | I'm impressed; gentoo's live cd booted up and has an internet connection and all |
| 10:21.25 | nevcairiel | i told you, its a good boot cd |
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| 10:21.48 | cbreak | I like slax as portable OS. |
| 10:23.27 | Arrowmaster | "@(Shirik) it's open source so you could see for yourself" no its not |
| 10:23.59 | Shirik | they have some dual licensing thing |
| 10:24.02 | Shirik | I don't understand it |
| 10:25.54 | Arrowmaster | no mention of it on their site |
| 10:27.09 | Shirik | I take it back, nevcairiel |
| 10:27.14 | Shirik | something's jacked up with the network config |
| 10:27.21 | Shirik | it's receiving an IP address but isn't taking it |
| 10:27.23 | nevcairiel | so run net-setup |
| 10:27.28 | Shirik | I did |
| 10:27.54 | nevcairiel | must be virtual pc, it wasnt designed for linux =P |
| 10:28.18 | Arrowmaster | use vmware or virtualbox |
| 10:29.03 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if i can extract my vmware key from my install |
| 10:29.25 | Arrowmaster | i have a license thats good until 2012 i just dont have the key anymore |
| 10:29.46 | Shirik | they can't resend it to you? |
| 10:29.53 | Shirik | anyway, nevcairiel, I just did static IP it's fine |
| 10:30.09 | Shirik | but virtualpc seemed to be doing OK; I run dhcpcd and I see that it's receiving offers, just not taking them for some reason |
| 10:30.09 | cbreak | when I install a new vmware fusion, it shows me the key |
| 10:30.10 | Arrowmaster | i got it through school |
| 10:30.36 | Shirik | uh oh |
| 10:30.38 | Shirik | time to partition the disk |
| 10:30.42 | Shirik | better make 3 partitions |
| 10:30.50 | Arrowmaster | they werent even suppost to last that long but some people ended up with licenses that expired in 2012 instead of after 180 days |
| 10:30.57 | cbreak | and when I select "License" from the App's menu, it shows me the sn as well |
| 10:32.22 | Arrowmaster | ive only got vmware workstation and it doesnt have a license menu |
| 10:33.45 | cbreak | windows? |
| 10:34.00 | cbreak | maybe it's in the registry somewhere. there was that program that showed registry access |
| 10:34.06 | cbreak | procmon or something |
| 10:34.16 | Arrowmaster | yeah windows |
| 10:36.39 | Arrowmaster | http://www.planetmy.com/blog/how-to-find-vmware-workstation-serial-number-in-windows/ |
| 10:36.44 | Arrowmaster | first result in google |
| 10:36.46 | Arrowmaster | and it works |
| 10:38.25 | Arrowmaster | i might end up reusing that, its good until 1/7/2012 |
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| 10:47.55 | Shirik | do they always sell them that far in advance, Arrowmaster? |
| 10:48.01 | Shirik | I would have thought they'd be like 1 year things, etc. |
| 10:48.11 | Arrowmaster | they were suppost to only be 180 day licenses |
| 10:48.27 | Shirik | but? |
| 10:48.39 | cbreak | only has unlimited duration licenses for his software |
| 10:48.43 | Arrowmaster | but some of us randomly ended up getting licenses that expiried in 2012 while others got 180 days |
| 10:49.07 | Shirik | cbreak: self-serve licenses? |
| 10:49.29 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: That's win |
| 10:49.39 | Arrowmaster | cbreak: i only 'pay' for unlimited duration licenses, i got this one for free |
| 10:49.57 | Shirik | eh, better than most |
| 10:50.07 | Shirik | seems like the whole world has decided they don't have to pay for software |
| 10:50.15 | Shirik | or music |
| 10:50.17 | Shirik | or movieds |
| 10:50.27 | cbreak | self service? |
| 10:50.28 | Arrowmaster | i dont really listen to much music |
| 10:50.37 | cbreak | they come with software I buy |
| 10:50.45 | Arrowmaster | or watch that many movies, most i do watch are on dvd that i own |
| 10:50.55 | cbreak | (or download in the case of free software) |
| 10:50.57 | Shirik | I went out to buy a CD last week |
| 10:51.01 | Shirik | and people thought I was nuts |
| 10:54.20 | cbreak | britney spears? |
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| 10:57.33 | Shirik | no cbreak... |
| 10:57.35 | Shirik | sonata arctica |
| 10:58.30 | cbreak | looks noisy :) |
| 10:59.36 | sacarasc | Going out to buy a CD is not an option here. We have no music stores in the town... |
| 11:00.14 | cbreak | online shopping? :) |
| 11:00.44 | sacarasc | That's what I'd do anyway... It is rare that I'd find a CD in a shop I wanted to buy. |
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| 11:04.40 | Shirik | http://translationparty.com/tp/#754149 |
| 11:05.44 | Shirik | wow it is really late |
| 11:05.52 | Shirik | screw gentoo for making me be up this late |
| 11:06.47 | Sabaren | Sonata Arctica? :) |
| 11:08.21 | Wobin | <3 Shaman healing |
| 11:08.31 | Shirik | screw shamans |
| 11:08.32 | Wobin | I'm top of the healing, and not top of the overhealing |
| 11:08.44 | Grum | you are a druid |
| 11:09.11 | Grum | oh a shaman O.o |
| 11:09.12 | Wobin | I'm beating the tree |
| 11:09.18 | Sabaren | That's what she said! |
| 11:09.19 | Grum | the tree sucks then |
| 11:09.30 | Wobin | tree also has twice the overheal as I do |
| 11:09.42 | Wobin | but that's the wild growth |
| 11:09.47 | Wobin | since it's aoe |
| 11:09.51 | Grum | what fight? :D |
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| 11:10.06 | Wobin | just naxx25 |
| 11:10.20 | Wobin | almost through the spider wing |
| 11:10.20 | nevcairiel | the tree is probably bored and doesnt play well, then |
| 11:10.22 | nevcairiel | i would be |
| 11:10.22 | nevcairiel | :P |
| 11:11.05 | Wobin | I say that chainheal's new range helps a hell of a lot |
| 11:12.56 | ReAn | http://translationparty.com/tp/#754670 <--- O.o |
| 11:13.26 | Wobin | ReAn: why O.o? |
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| 11:14.13 | nevcairiel | the final sentence is kinda win :P |
| 11:15.00 | ReAn | why? can you blame me for trying to break it? |
| 11:15.23 | nevcairiel | why break it? |
| 11:15.40 | Arrowmaster | i did break it earlyer but now i dont remember what the phrase was |
| 11:15.54 | nevcairiel | define broken |
| 11:16.01 | Arrowmaster | inf loop |
| 11:16.13 | ReAn | I BROKE IT |
| 11:16.16 | ReAn | http://translationparty.com/tp/#754925 |
| 11:16.23 | nevcairiel | i have seen many inf loops already |
| 11:16.25 | ReAn | I BROKE IT BY QUOTING XKCD |
| 11:17.25 | Arrowmaster | thats cheating by using numbers |
| 11:17.49 | ReAn | what if i typed them out? |
| 11:19.19 | Arrowmaster | http://translationparty.com/tp/#712660 http://translationparty.com/tp/#712686 |
| 11:19.25 | Arrowmaster | now those are really breaking it |
| 11:19.38 | ReAn | OMG |
| 11:19.43 | ReAn | http://translationparty.com/tp/#755168 <--- read the final output |
| 11:19.45 | Arrowmaster | and nobody is ever going to beat http://translationparty.com/tp/#710695 |
| 11:22.07 | ReAn | omg lol |
| 11:22.07 | ReAn | http://translationparty.com/tp/#755352 |
| 11:22.19 | Sabaren | http://translationparty.com/tp/#755324 <- it's not as funny when you spell wok right. |
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| 11:25.27 | Wobin | personally, I don't really see what's so funny about translationparty =P |
| 11:25.36 | Sabaren | I'm not sure either. |
| 11:25.40 | Sabaren | It's just really late at night. |
| 11:25.44 | Cruciformer | me either. I think its quite lame actually. |
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| 11:40.05 | mikma | http://translationparty.com/tp/#756384 |
| 11:40.07 | mikma | haha |
| 11:42.12 | Cruciformer | ~purl autokickban .*translationparty.* |
| 11:42.20 | Cruciformer | please ... for the love of god |
| 11:42.28 | ReAn | lol |
| 11:44.28 | Sabaren | Heh |
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| 11:47.46 | ReAn | Cruciformer: tinyurl would get around that pretty quick |
| 11:51.29 | Shirik | see |
| 11:51.33 | Shirik | this is the kind of stuff I'm talking about |
| 11:52.08 | Shirik | Why the heck is there a kernel compilation option for "Sha512 digest algorithm" |
| 11:52.16 | Shirik | That needs to be done in the kernel? |
| 11:52.50 | cbreak | maybe a dependency |
| 11:52.59 | cbreak | some file system might need it |
| 11:53.01 | ReAn | Shirik: gentoo? |
| 11:53.09 | Shirik | yes gentoo |
| 11:53.27 | ReAn | gentoo is a good distro, but not if you don't have a lot of time >_> |
| 11:54.05 | Cruciformer | I think thats used for some types of filesystem encryption. |
| 11:55.21 | ReAn | frankly, i only use gentoo for production system |
| 11:55.42 | ReAn | i use minbuntu for personal projects i dont want a lot of fuss with |
| 11:56.02 | Cruciformer | im partial to centos myself |
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| 11:56.48 | nevcairiel | I use debian on my internet webserver, gentoo on my local desktops and servers :) |
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| 12:30.04 | wsoul | y0 wobin |
| 12:30.13 | wsoul | Wobin: ping |
| 12:33.11 | wsoul | bbl |
| 12:35.16 | Wobin | ? |
| 12:43.48 | mikma | heh |
| 12:43.53 | mikma | ping and run |
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| 13:09.20 | foxlit | Fresh Apple Juice: "Best not to ask" |
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| 13:22.46 | Kraps | for some reason ulduar nerfs make me lol |
| 13:23.08 | cbreak | the biggest problems my guild has are holidays :( |
| 13:25.19 | cbreak | not enough people to get raids |
| 13:25.38 | zenzelezz | sounds familiar |
| 13:25.51 | zenzelezz | that's usually how I got into guilds, apply during summer |
| 13:33.16 | Kraps | im considering this build for leveling http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#jfVMqucIcbMbosoZfM0hxb |
| 13:33.22 | Kraps | thoughts? |
| 13:33.47 | cbreak | can I recommend that you level a mage instead? :) |
| 13:33.54 | Kraps | :( |
| 13:34.02 | Kraps | why? |
| 13:34.16 | cbreak | we rock! |
| 13:34.29 | Kraps | yeah... |
| 13:35.35 | Kraps | im really bad with alts, because i think leveling is the worst part of the game |
| 13:36.05 | Kraps | but i have an slt of every class |
| 13:36.13 | Kraps | alt* |
| 13:36.31 | cbreak | my highest three alts are level 54, 43 and 11... |
| 13:36.39 | cbreak | and I have over 300 days played. |
| 13:36.43 | cbreak | I don't like alts. |
| 13:37.04 | Kraps | i started another pally last night |
| 13:40.20 | Kraps | "I pay 15 a month to run in and out of portals" |
| 13:40.31 | Kraps | "That's a stupid thing to spend 15 a month on. " |
| 13:40.37 | Kraps | lulz |
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| 13:50.30 | haste | "Additional instances cannot be launched" at 4PM |
| 13:50.31 | haste | yay |
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| 13:59.00 | Industrial | :'( |
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| 14:02.36 | Kraps_ | rain rain go away,i cannot play if you stay |
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| 14:10.06 | Kraps_ | cbreak: frost is the best for leveling? |
| 14:10.22 | cbreak | for mages? I leveled with frost, but that was over four years ago |
| 14:10.43 | cbreak | for DKs? I think my guildies leveled with all specs, but most seem to like blood now |
| 14:11.01 | Kraps_ | i meant mages |
| 14:13.06 | cbreak | with frost you have control and endurance. But stuff dies slower than with the other specs. I don't think arcane is good for leveling, since it does use a lot of mana, so quite some downtime |
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| 14:14.23 | Aelobin | is there a /cmd for quitting a team? |
| 14:14.32 | Aelobin | *arena team |
| 14:14.33 | cbreak | hmm. /teamquit? |
| 14:14.33 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.57 | Aelobin | ty |
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| 14:27.45 | Mikk | seriously - did blizzard manage to fuck up devtools to complete uselessness? |
| 14:27.53 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:27.59 | Mikk | (/dtframestack shows them just fine) |
| 14:28.46 | Mikk | aha... they fucked up the coordinate translation |
| 14:29.08 | Mikk | need to mouse around in the middle of the screen to hit the bag frame at the right :< |
| 14:31.04 | cbreak | they added the devtools to default UI? |
| 14:31.14 | Mikk | some of them. badly. |
| 14:31.20 | cbreak | as usual :) |
| 14:31.33 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.40 | cbreak | still uses ItemRack and MSBT despite default UI support for both functions |
| 14:31.46 | nevcairiel | framestack stops working when you use uiscale |
| 14:31.56 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:31.57 | nevcairiel | without its fine |
| 14:32.02 | Mikk | heh |
| 14:32.02 | Mikk | yeah |
| 14:32.06 | Mikk | and noone uses uiscale right >.< |
| 14:33.32 | foxlit | not me! |
| 14:33.45 | Mikk | oO |
| 14:34.14 | ZorbaBeta | I use a modified old version of ClosetGnome because for some reason recent versions decided to defer entirely to the Blizzard functions |
| 14:34.27 | nevcairiel | because it works :P |
| 14:34.48 | Mikk | ZorbaBeta: hehe yeah me too. old CG :P |
| 14:35.06 | ZorbaBeta | do the blizzard functions support automatically changing gear once you're out of battle, or setting two or three different slots in each equipment set? |
| 14:35.17 | foxlit | yes on the latter part |
| 14:35.21 | Mikk | the API does |
| 14:35.22 | Mikk | the UI does not |
| 14:35.28 | foxlit | Mikk: the UI does, too |
| 14:35.32 | Mikk | oO |
| 14:35.39 | ZorbaBeta | I heard it doesn't, but that may be incorrect |
| 14:35.44 | foxlit | It's something relatively convoluted, but it's there. |
| 14:35.48 | Mikk | i haven't found a way to do it myself |
| 14:35.58 | Mikk | granted i haven't tried every modkey+click combo in the universe yet |
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| 14:36.02 | Mikk | there's certainly nothing in tooltips |
| 14:36.15 | foxlit | I'm not sure what they've decided to do with delayed equiping |
| 14:36.31 | Mikk | afaik they dont do that at all |
| 14:36.43 | Mikk | there's a reason swapmagic exists still |
| 14:36.46 | foxlit | Click on the equipment manager |
| 14:36.47 | Mikk | and queued switching is one of the reasons |
| 14:36.53 | foxlit | Click on the arrows that pop up next to the slots |
| 14:36.57 | foxlit | Click "Ignore this slot" |
| 14:37.11 | Mikk | oooooooh |
| 14:37.14 | Mikk | that's new |
| 14:37.20 | nevcairiel | not really |
| 14:37.22 | foxlit | The arrows are. |
| 14:37.28 | Mikk | ya |
| 14:37.29 | foxlit | The ignore functionality is not. |
| 14:37.41 | foxlit | (It used to just pop up, iirc) |
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| 14:38.05 | Aelobin | grrr |
| 14:38.19 | Aelobin | how come with pvp, before you get into an arena team you have to get your resi up |
| 14:38.31 | Mikk | because you'll suck donkeyballs before that? =P |
| 14:38.32 | Aelobin | then when you get it up (lol thats what she said) there's no decent healers with high resi etc >_> |
| 14:38.53 | Aelobin | sorry that was a 2 part thing :P |
| 14:39.01 | Aelobin | 2 part QQ |
| 14:39.12 | foxlit | It's unappealing |
| 14:39.44 | Mikk | Hmkay, hmkay, +1 blizzUI |
| 14:39.44 | foxlit | How long does it take to get a resilience set? |
| 14:39.49 | Mikk | I might give new CG another shot |
| 14:40.36 | Aelobin | i dinged 80 last sunday and i now have 5x hateful + 6x deadly accessories (yeh i shoulda waited for S7, but i'm impatient) |
| 14:40.45 | Aelobin | although i did stack up marks at 69 a bit |
| 14:40.50 | foxlit | where from? |
| 14:41.31 | foxlit | Yeah, okay, it just bails if you tell it to equip stuff in combat. |
| 14:45.05 | svenadh | Is AddonLoaded the right event for getting saved vars? (my first addon ;) ) |
| 14:45.20 | Mikk | ADDON_LOADED with arg1=="Name of Your Addon" |
| 14:45.31 | svenadh | :) |
| 14:45.33 | Cruciformer | hola mikk |
| 14:45.34 | svenadh | thx Mikk |
| 14:45.43 | cbreak | there are two events |
| 14:45.49 | cbreak | ADDON_LOADED is one of them |
| 14:45.51 | Mikk | Heya Cruciformer i'm working on your acecomm patch now. it wasn't right :P |
| 14:45.51 | Cruciformer | mikk: thanks for commiting that ctl stuff. |
| 14:46.04 | Cruciformer | it wasn't? |
| 14:46.12 | Mikk | it'll work fine... as long as nothing gets queued. all queued messages see 100%/100% |
| 14:46.19 | Cruciformer | im starting to feel like an idiot :P |
| 14:46.36 | Cruciformer | really? where did I miss? |
| 14:46.46 | Mikk | well.. you're updating the arg.sent for every call to CTL |
| 14:47.00 | Mikk | so if something gets queued and sent in 0.1 seconds |
| 14:47.11 | Mikk | ... |
| 14:47.21 | Cruciformer | ya then? |
| 14:47.38 | Mikk | well then you'll already have increased the arg.sent to 100% |
| 14:47.54 | Mikk | queueing happens in another "thread" so to speak, yaknow |
| 14:48.09 | Mikk | you just go WOOOOSH +254 +254 +254+254+254 = 100% |
| 14:48.18 | Mikk | then later on the callback starts looking at arg.sent |
| 14:48.21 | Cruciformer | but arg.sent is only ever set at the point at which it geets passed to CTL |
| 14:48.21 | Mikk | which will by then by 100% |
| 14:48.27 | Mikk | yes? |
| 14:48.34 | Cruciformer | and its a unique arg passed to each call |
| 14:48.34 | Mikk | the callback happens MUCH later if queueing happens |
| 14:48.37 | Mikk | no |
| 14:48.39 | Mikk | it's the same arg |
| 14:49.00 | Cruciformer | oh |
| 14:49.02 | Mikk | oops =) |
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| 14:49.13 | Mikk | egal, i've rewritten it |
| 14:49.16 | Mikk | writing test cases now |
| 14:49.41 | svenadh | egal? you're from germany? :D |
| 14:49.47 | Mikk | i also statted table creation vs function closures |
| 14:49.57 | Mikk | no, i have a gf who studied german for too long :P |
| 14:50.40 | Mikk | and it turns out that function closures are only SLIGHTLY more expensive in time, and a little less expensive in memory |
| 14:50.47 | Mikk | but the time bit only holds true if you don't touch the variables much |
| 14:50.54 | Mikk | once you start touching the variables, closures are faster too |
| 14:51.03 | Mikk | so i rewrote it as a function closure |
| 14:51.16 | Mikk | which has the added benefit that i only need a single closure for all chunks of a message |
| 14:51.27 | Mikk | since i can stick the #bytes sent in the arg passed to CTL |
| 14:51.30 | Mikk | \o/ |
| 14:51.45 | Cruciformer | im not 100% sure what a function closure is so I will just wait to see the code :) |
| 14:52.54 | cbreak | a closure is a function that accesses locals outside it's own scope |
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| 14:53.09 | Mikk | lua> function a(arg1,arg2) return function() return arg1+arg2 end end; im5=a(2,3); im7=a(3,4); im9(4,5); print(im5()); print(im7()); print(im9()) |
| 14:53.10 | lua_bot | Mikk: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'im9' (a nil value) |
| 14:53.13 | cbreak | upvalues |
| 14:53.19 | Mikk | lua> function a(arg1,arg2) return function() return arg1+arg2 end end; im5=a(2,3); im7=a(3,4); im9=a(4,5); print(im5()); print(im7()); print(im9()) |
| 14:53.19 | lua_bot | Mikk: 5, 7, 9 |
| 14:53.25 | Mikk | it's magic |
| 14:53.51 | Mikk | it returns a function which retains the locals that it saw at the time of its creation |
| 14:54.04 | foxlit | "In computer science, a closure is a [first-class function] with [free variables]." |
| 14:54.14 | foxlit | ... "a programming language is said to support first-class functions (or function literals) if it treats functions as first-class objects. " |
| 14:54.21 | Mikk | jesus what useless drivel |
| 14:54.36 | Mikk | i barely understand that and i know 100% what a closure is already |
| 14:54.37 | cbreak | makes sense |
| 14:54.39 | foxlit | ... "a free variable is a variable referred to in a function that is not a local variable or an argument of that function. " |
| 14:55.19 | Cruciformer | i like mikk's explaination (with example) better. |
| 14:55.28 | Cruciformer | or creak's |
| 14:55.31 | foxlit | Of course, the beauty of wikipedia is that you then can do "a local variable is a variable that is given local scope." >> "scope is an enclosing context where values and expressions are associated." ad infinitum. |
| 14:55.33 | Cruciformer | *cbreak's |
| 14:55.51 | Mikk | Of course. We're not in academentia. |
| 14:56.07 | cbreak | I am an academic.. :P |
| 14:56.13 | cbreak | well, not anymore :( |
| 14:56.21 | foxlit | I suppose at some point, you could close that set of definition. |
| 14:56.35 | foxlit | Wonder what the cardinality of that is. |
| 14:56.49 | Cruciformer | im not sure id ever use a closure reflexively but it seems like a neat idea |
| 14:57.19 | Mikk | What you can do with a closure you can obviously also do with e.g. a context table |
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| 14:57.53 | Mikk | But there's a couple of beautiful things about closures |
| 14:58.39 | Mikk | Say you have 2 functions accessing their own set of locals... they can still access SHARED locals. Very straightforward without having to set up references to a shared table and whatnot. |
| 14:58.42 | cbreak | I personally think making an object table is better. |
| 14:59.00 | Mikk | There is of course also the nicety of not making people pass you an argument |
| 14:59.36 | Mikk | For instance, callbackhandler's :RegisterEvent("event"). The funcref can be copied on top of any object |
| 14:59.46 | Mikk | And still retain the connection to the original registry |
| 15:00.52 | Mikk | Without closures, you'd have to pass in an argument pointing to the registry, e.g. through always doing Addon.registry:RegisterEvent("blah") |
| 15:01.39 | Mikk | And like I said, the code becomes faster since you're not digging around in a table hash when accessing the variables |
| 15:01.47 | Mikk | They're still "local" |
| 15:02.31 | Mikk | As for memory consumption, in the acecomm case, it went from 160 bytes per call to 96 bytes per call. |
| 15:03.09 | Mikk | No wait I lie, that's with the optimization I could make. Without it it would have been 160->128. |
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| 15:45.31 | Kraps_ | why am i playing a pally when i need to: make money for my main; level my dk/druid/shaman/priest? |
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| 16:01.47 | wsoul | 2my main is a dk |
| 16:01.56 | wsoul | priest is second best choice =) |
| 16:02.30 | wsoul | trying to figure if i have high hit rating will i still need to max expertise for threat |
| 16:07.01 | Kraps_ | more exp is always better until the hard cap |
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| 16:10.24 | wsoul | 31606k unbuffed |
| 16:10.29 | wsoul | 541 def |
| 16:12.24 | wsoul | just expertise is what i lack i think |
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| 16:12.30 | wsoul | 13 and it should be 26 iirc |
| 16:12.33 | Kraps_ | 8% hit? |
| 16:12.54 | wsoul | my hit however y hit is 290 |
| 16:13.02 | wsoul | 8.84 |
| 16:13.13 | Kraps_ | yeah thats fine |
| 16:13.24 | wsoul | so i don't have to worry about expertise for threat? |
| 16:16.34 | Kraps_ | you do |
| 16:16.58 | Kraps_ | expertise removes dodges and parries |
| 16:17.09 | wsoul | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kazzak&n=Aammaa |
| 16:17.30 | wsoul | yeah i will add gems for that if i don't get good loot |
| 16:17.46 | Kraps_ | http://www.wowwiki.com/Expertise_rating |
| 16:17.47 | wsoul | so far i've been buying waist/neck |
| 16:17.49 | wsoul | and vest |
| 16:18.15 | Pneu^ | attacking from behind removes parries :P |
| 16:18.37 | Kraps_ | purl: funny, so does YOU FASE |
| 16:18.51 | Kraps_ | ... |
| 16:19.03 | Kraps_ | @ Pneu^ |
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| 16:19.28 | End | I'm pretty sure wsoul is attacking from the front :P |
| 16:20.02 | wsoul | hehe |
| 16:20.28 | wsoul | I actually read from dks forums that you need to re-position if someone is attacking you from behind as a dk |
| 16:21.13 | Kraps_ | ... |
| 16:21.29 | wsoul | that was for Pneu^ ;) |
| 16:22.14 | wsoul | will see if there is a recipe for expertise/def or some such |
| 16:22.53 | End | for a gem? |
| 16:23.01 | End | you'd want resolute |
| 16:23.02 | wsoul | yeah there is |
| 16:23.07 | wsoul | epic one |
| 16:23.11 | wsoul | 10 expertise 15 stamina |
| 16:23.13 | wsoul | ' |
| 16:23.27 | End | oh, that's guardian |
| 16:23.53 | wsoul | yeah |
| 16:23.57 | wsoul | guardian dreadstone |
| 16:24.37 | Kraps_ | epic gems are too expensive :/ |
| 16:24.39 | wsoul | dunno if it is whise to replace 16 dodge with that one on legs |
| 16:24.47 | wsoul | just need recipes ;) |
| 16:24.51 | wsoul | and yeah it's crazy |
| 16:24.58 | wsoul | luckily i have still 317 heroism |
| 16:25.10 | End | *cough* honor and emblems *cough* |
| 16:25.21 | wsoul | that too D |
| 16:25.22 | wsoul | :D |
| 16:25.35 | wsoul | been dpsing with pvp gear even |
| 16:25.43 | wsoul | most of WG new items |
| 16:27.46 | Industrial | Is there a filter for part time jobs on linkedin? |
| 16:34.03 | Cruciformer | i'm back |
| 16:36.46 | Cruciformer | mikk: sorry I had to leave abruptly earlier, dunno if I missed anything about acecomm. |
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| 17:34.57 | Kraps_ | im watching band of brothers |
| 17:35.17 | mikma | good. |
| 17:45.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: ? |
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| 17:48.34 | tem | I hate argent confessor because bad healers make us wipe |
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| 17:54.54 | p3lim | i need to make my addon config scroll-able, anyone mind helping me with it? |
| 17:55.14 | kd3 | don't make it scrollable? divide it up into smaller sections? |
| 17:56.09 | Cruciformer | p3lim: Its pretty easy. You just create a scrolling window, which will give you a canvas larger than the actual on-screen frame, with a wee bit of glue around to deal with a scroll bar. Look at the Ace widget library for a very simple and easy way to deal with scrolling windows. |
| 17:57.32 | p3lim | i did look at the AceGUI widget, it was a mess :p |
| 17:57.39 | p3lim | bet its good, but still a mess to read :p |
| 17:57.52 | Cruciformer | p3lim: I figured out how to do it and Id only been at Lua and wow programming for about 2 weeks |
| 17:57.55 | Cruciformer | oh |
| 17:58.01 | Cruciformer | it wasnt too bad (i thought) |
| 17:58.44 | Cruciformer | one sec let me see what I had to do to get it working for my setup |
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| 18:10.31 | Nuckin | Shirik: you around? |
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| 18:21.37 | mikma | http://ircpics.com/img.php?id=72275 |
| 18:21.40 | mikma | ownage+ |
| 18:21.43 | Aelobin | any idea how much lvl 20/40 mounts cost now? not the training |
| 18:22.20 | kd3 | curse go boom |
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| 18:22.33 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Mount |
| 18:24.40 | Dagmar | 'bout 10g or something now isn't it? |
| 18:25.40 | kd3 | lv20 mounts are 1g per, lv40 mounts are 10g per |
| 18:26.06 | Cruciformer | isnt it 5g for lvl 20? |
| 18:26.22 | kd3 | points at the wiki again |
| 18:26.35 | kd3 | 4g for training, 1g for the mount |
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| 18:31.47 | Dewin | Hmm... I think I found a problem with curse client. heh. |
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| 18:32.38 | kd3 | outside of it utterly failing in wine? |
| 18:33.11 | netcurse | Dewin, what problem? |
| 18:33.54 | Dewin | I tried to use the 'install using curse client' link and it decided to try 3 simultaneous installs of the same addon |
| 18:34.10 | netcurse | not working as intented. :) |
| 18:34.41 | Dewin | Also, I know of a couple 'exploits' that can almost function as an 'update all' at the cost of even more bandwidth. |
| 18:34.48 | Cruciformer | curse is also borked with firefox. renders weird. works fine with IE and chrome tho. |
| 18:35.06 | Dewin | Curse renders just fine for me in FF3.5.2 |
| 18:35.10 | netcurse | Site is having some troubles right now but firefox should be fine. |
| 18:35.12 | Dewin | at least the parts I use |
| 18:35.43 | Cruciformer | netcurse: it works just fine, just renders weird |
| 18:36.00 | netcurse | Can you take a screenshoot and email me hthieblot@curse.com |
| 18:36.02 | netcurse | i ll have it fixed |
| 18:36.13 | Cruciformer | want me to make screenshots? |
| 18:36.23 | netcurse | yes thanks |
| 18:36.46 | Cruciformer | ok is there some bug address I should mail the url's to? |
| 18:37.03 | kd3 | scroll up |
| 18:37.17 | netcurse | hthieblot@curse.com is fine i ll forward it |
| 18:37.38 | foxlit | urgh. Who made trade the new LFG? |
| 18:37.55 | Cruciformer | 'k I'll make some and send u a mail |
| 18:38.02 | foxlit | Something like 20 group-related messages in trade for every message in LFG :/ |
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| 18:40.06 | Torhal | foxlit: /leave trade |
| 18:40.08 | Torhal | :D |
| 18:41.38 | Cruciformer | Im running 3.0.13 |
| 18:41.47 | Cruciformer | most likely still the most common version out there |
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| 18:55.37 | Fisker | gg |
| 18:55.58 | Fisker | a death knight cast army of the dead on iron council hardmode |
| 18:57.45 | Dagmar | oops |
| 18:58.24 | Dagmar | Wow. That's some bullshit |
| 18:58.38 | Dagmar | So there apparently is no actual way to restore buttons you remove from a pet bar. Win. |
| 18:59.20 | Fisker | old |
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| 19:00.06 | Dagmar | Well, I put in the ticket two days ago. Got an email about it this morning. |
| 19:01.02 | Shirik | hm |
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| 19:01.10 | Shirik | I just realized a mistake I made while setting up my linux partitions |
| 19:01.17 | Shirik | is it ok for /boot to be ext3? |
| 19:01.20 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 19:01.22 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 19:01.32 | nevcairiel | just needs a grub not from the last century |
| 19:01.37 | Shirik | heh |
| 19:02.12 | nevcairiel | the latest can even do ext4 already |
| 19:06.15 | Dagmar | It doesn't even need grub. |
| 19:06.16 | Fisker | your mom is a grub ;3 |
| 19:06.20 | Dagmar | Lilo boots ext3 just fine. |
| 19:06.42 | Fisker | is lilo grub? |
| 19:07.15 | nevcairiel | who uses lilo :P |
| 19:07.27 | Dagmar | Lots of people. |
| 19:07.31 | Dagmar | Lilo works fine. |
| 19:07.33 | Adys | servers mostly |
| 19:08.18 | nevcairiel | actually, lilo doesnt care at all about the filesystem |
| 19:08.42 | nevcairiel | thats why you have to re-run the lilo command everytime you change config or change the kernel |
| 19:08.50 | nevcairiel | it writes the necessary data directly into the boot block |
| 19:09.12 | Dezzimal | I love cheeky library names |
| 19:09.46 | ScytheBlade1 | lilo is awesome |
| 19:10.32 | Dezzimal | there are only so many hooker puns you can make |
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| 19:19.41 | Kraps_ | am i to cynical? im reading http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/community/stories/stories.xml and all i can think of is "cool story bro" |
| 19:19.50 | Kraps_ | too* |
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| 19:51.17 | netcurse | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:53.36 | Cruciformer | netcurse: Sure I'll take one. invite for pre-release I assume? |
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| 19:54.17 | netcurse | beta |
| 19:54.20 | netcurse | pm me your email |
| 19:54.28 | Cruciformer | cruciformer@gmail.com |
| 19:55.04 | netcurse | k you are in |
| 19:55.13 | Cruciformer | merci beaucoup |
| 19:55.18 | netcurse | de rien ;) |
| 19:57.12 | Shirik | spams Cruciformer's email |
| 19:57.36 | Cruciformer | have at it :) |
| 19:58.08 | Thunder_Child | it's a lot of fun |
| 19:58.21 | nevcairiel | i didnt like it that much |
| 19:58.47 | Thunder_Child | well i had been playing dota and it's much better |
| 19:58.52 | netcurse | i prefer league of legend |
| 19:59.31 | Cruciformer | i wonder what mmorpg blizzard is working on next, the super-secret project jeff kaplan went to |
| 20:00.04 | nevcairiel | that will remain a secret for a while, still |
| 20:00.30 | kd3 | ponders about the next great announcement coming up in ~2 weeks |
| 20:00.34 | ccox | The code name is "super-secret" |
| 20:02.35 | foxlit | It's world of warcraft... |
| 20:02.38 | foxlit | ... in space. |
| 20:02.49 | kd3 | ...but we've already got space goats |
| 20:03.05 | foxlit | kd3: Only much more sophisticated. |
| 20:03.11 | Cruciformer | lets hope its not like History of the World Part 2: Jews in Space ... failed to materialise :( |
| 20:03.43 | Cruciformer | i LOVED to starships in teh shape of the star of David. Mel Brooks is funny. |
| 20:03.47 | Fisker | next expansion durr |
| 20:05.57 | Thunder_Child | the one Fisker is baned from already? |
| 20:06.42 | Kraps_ | in the mountains |
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| 20:24.22 | kd3 | grr |
| 20:24.26 | kd3 | wailing caverns won't let me in |
| 20:24.27 | kd3 | sighs |
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| 20:27.25 | Adys | you know what's awesome? |
| 20:27.29 | Adys | as in really, really awesome |
| 20:27.45 | Cruciformer | vajayjay? |
| 20:27.55 | Adys | actually |
| 20:27.56 | Adys | vlc |
| 20:28.03 | kd3 | meh |
| 20:28.05 | kd3 | <3 mplayer |
| 20:28.14 | nevcairiel | i dont get why people like vlc so much |
| 20:28.14 | Adys | does mplayer play ISOs? |
| 20:28.30 | kd3 | loopback mount it as a dvd. sure |
| 20:28.32 | Thunder_Child | because vlc plays almost anything |
| 20:28.43 | nevcairiel | on linux i use mplayer, on windows mpc-hc, and i never found anything i couldnt play |
| 20:29.05 | Adys | i used gom on windows |
| 20:29.52 | Shirik | I fail at compiling kernel |
| 20:29.53 | ScytheBlade1 | nevcairiel: I only ever use it for one thing.. multicasting/repeating data and recording streams easily |
| 20:29.57 | Shirik | eth1 does not exist :( |
| 20:30.04 | nevcairiel | i guess |
| 20:30.06 | Adys | the one thing with vlc |
| 20:30.10 | Adys | is its network awesomeness |
| 20:30.13 | nevcairiel | i never really needed streaming video |
| 20:30.45 | Adys | it plays streams, it streams, it filters whatever stuff, records, reencodes, whatever you want |
| 20:30.54 | kd3 | mount something over nfs... yay mplayer again? |
| 20:31.00 | kd3 | or samba or whatever else |
| 20:31.08 | Cruciformer | could I use vlc instead of tversity? |
| 20:31.11 | nevcairiel | maybe thats why i dont like vlc |
| 20:31.13 | Cruciformer | for streaming to my ps3? |
| 20:31.14 | Adys | except youll get much bigger latency with nfs kd3 |
| 20:31.19 | nevcairiel | its such a big bloated piece of everything |
| 20:31.26 | Adys | its not bloated |
| 20:31.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I used it a while back to convert the blizzcon stream into an h264 multicast stream |
| 20:31.33 | Adys | its the ONE app i can think of that isnt bloated |
| 20:31.34 | nevcairiel | i dont need the network stuff |
| 20:31.39 | Adys | yet does everything you want it to |
| 20:31.40 | nevcairiel | and its in it anyway |
| 20:31.41 | nevcairiel | bloat :D |
| 20:31.53 | Adys | you can disable it at compile time, but |
| 20:31.59 | Adys | even then |
| 20:32.08 | Adys | with everything enabled its what, a few megabytes at most? |
| 20:32.41 | nevcairiel | for some reason alsa fails me on my audigy4, i get distortions randomly, thats why i use windows for media mostly =( |
| 20:33.04 | nevcairiel | i hate sound on linux |
| 20:33.04 | Adys | reminds me |
| 20:33.09 | nevcairiel | its such a broken system |
| 20:33.19 | kd3 | intel hda <3 |
| 20:33.19 | ScytheBlade1 | your problem is audigy |
| 20:33.20 | ScytheBlade1 | not alsa |
| 20:33.32 | nevcairiel | the audigy is fine |
| 20:33.34 | Adys | [0x1a06888] main libvlc debug: libvlc was configured with ./configure '--disable-bonjour' '--disable-live555' '--enable-x11' '--enable-xvideo' '--enable-sdl' '--enable-avcodec' '--enable-mad' '--enable-a52' '--enable-libmpeg2' '--enable-dvdnav' '--enable-vorbis' '--enable-ogg' '--enable-theora' '--enable-mkv' '--enable-freetype' '--enable-speex' '--enable-flac' '--disable-skins2' '--disable-libtar' '--enable-alsa' '--enable-release' '--disable-lua' '--d |
| 20:33.35 | Adys | isable-audioscrobbler' '--disable-atmo' '--disable-fribidi' '--disable-telepathy' '--disable-vlm' '--enable-dvdread' '--disable-hd1000v' '--enable-xinerama' '--disable-tiger' '--disable-kate' '--disable-cmml' '--disable-dvb' '--disable-dvbpsi' '--disable-libcddb' '--disable-mpc' '--disable-mtp' '--disable-telx' '--disable-v4l2' '--disable-vcd' '--disable-zvbi' |
| 20:33.39 | nevcairiel | it has crystal clear sound on windows |
| 20:33.49 | kd3 | so blame the drivers |
| 20:33.50 | Adys | eveb their ./configure is pretty awesome. |
| 20:33.59 | nevcairiel | which is alsa, kd3 :P |
| 20:34.11 | nevcairiel | even if its in the kernel, its part of the alsa project |
| 20:34.27 | ScytheBlade1 | .. thanks to Creative sucking |
| 20:34.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Arguing the same point from a different perspective |
| 20:34.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Blame who/what you want but they are one of the few sound vendors who suck so incredibly hard under non-windows |
| 20:35.26 | Shirik | there are other sound vendors? |
| 20:35.36 | nevcairiel | then again alsa alone doesnt get you far, you need some weird sound daemon .. pulseaudio has a good feature set, but eats the cpu alive, configuring pure alsa to do what you really want is a month work in config file only <.< |
| 20:36.00 | Arrowmaster | pulseaudio is broken as fuck |
| 20:36.03 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 20:36.10 | ScytheBlade1 | great in theory, good idea |
| 20:36.12 | nevcairiel | it works fine for me, it just eats cpu |
| 20:36.13 | ScytheBlade1 | terrible actual results |
| 20:36.27 | kd3 | pulse working aok here... no latency, not much cpu. handles everything I throw at it |
| 20:36.29 | nevcairiel | and it was so easy to configure |
| 20:36.47 | nevcairiel | just tell alsa to route through pulse, and set some basic settings in pulse .. done |
| 20:36.53 | nevcairiel | surround and everything |
| 20:37.09 | xilcoy | I just got a card with hardware mixers because I got tired of messing with it |
| 20:37.45 | nevcairiel | the audigy has hardware mixing too, but i like having upmix to my 7.1 with lfe redirection, and all the fun |
| 20:37.45 | ScytheBlade1 | xilcoy: which card? |
| 20:38.59 | xilcoy | Audigy ZS I think, which is apparently what nev is complaining about though... |
| 20:39.17 | ScytheBlade1 | heh. |
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| 20:39.37 | xilcoy | I haven't had any problems with it, but then I have a simple setup |
| 20:39.40 | nevcairiel | does the ZS use the same driver? |
| 20:40.04 | nevcairiel | maybe the driver just fails at 8 channel sound |
| 20:40.07 | nevcairiel | shrugs |
| 20:40.45 | Shirik | you know what doesn't use the same driver? |
| 20:40.49 | Shirik | ANYTHING in Linux |
| 20:41.04 | Shirik | I found the solution to all my driver issues |
| 20:41.11 | Shirik | compile every kernel option |
| 20:41.12 | Arrowmaster | nothing uses the same driver on windows either |
| 20:41.20 | nevcairiel | and i thought you were going to say "genkernel" :P |
| 20:41.27 | Arrowmaster | the installers just have all of them included |
| 20:41.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: or, l2kernel! |
| 20:41.34 | Shirik | I will let you know in about 5 hours when I successfully compile |
| 20:41.40 | nevcairiel | Shirik: lspci is your friend |
| 20:42.01 | Shirik | I did actually find some interesting options on this second pass that I want to try |
| 20:42.25 | Shirik | if everything goes well, I added in the QoS stuff so that I can do an ARP MIM attack and really become the router |
| 20:42.33 | Shirik | that way I can do QoS without owning the router! |
| 20:42.40 | nevcairiel | I admit i had to search a bit longer for some kernel options on some (older) server hardware, especially some weird SCSI controllers |
| 20:42.43 | nevcairiel | but it always worked out |
| 20:43.16 | nevcairiel | ARP MIM attacks are so lame, its so easy to detect them, every better firewall does it these days |
| 20:43.29 | Shirik | my roommates are morons |
| 20:43.30 | Shirik | they won't know |
| 20:43.33 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:43.35 | Arrowmaster | just set a static arp table on your box then arp poison the fuck out of the roommates box |
| 20:43.48 | Shirik | I was trying to do that yesterday |
| 20:43.56 | Shirik | I thought it was working, then I realized it's actually not sending any packets at all |
| 20:44.05 | Shirik | so I'm putting Linux in virtualpc to see if it works better |
| 20:44.32 | Shirik | the MIM attack is just the next step after I'm able to kick him off, because I don't want to permanently ruin his internet connection :P |
| 20:44.38 | Shirik | I just want him to back off during raids |
| 20:45.15 | Arrowmaster | we had a router at school that would send out arp notices if you tried to arp poison using one of its addresses |
| 20:45.16 | nevcairiel | why dont you just hack the router isntead? :P |
| 20:45.50 | Shirik | I bet if I poisoned our routers at school |
| 20:45.56 | Shirik | IT would spend the next week trying to figure out what's wrong |
| 20:46.10 | Shirik | they don't have a clue |
| 20:46.17 | nevcairiel | MIM attacks arent really working that well, anyway, since you can't really silence the original host, and it'll still send out his replies |
| 20:46.25 | nevcairiel | and every system gets confused |
| 20:46.27 | Shirik | sure you can |
| 20:46.43 | Shirik | wait, what |
| 20:46.45 | Shirik | I'm confused |
| 20:47.01 | Shirik | oops, now I really fucked up |
| 20:47.18 | nevcairiel | your compile failed? |
| 20:47.20 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 20:47.21 | Shirik | grub: error 13: invalid or unsupported executable format |
| 20:47.24 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 20:47.30 | nevcairiel | now thats fail |
| 20:53.59 | ccox | Shirik - and when they did figure it that YOU poisoned the routers.... |
| 20:54.06 | Shirik | rofl |
| 20:54.08 | Shirik | I wouldn't do it |
| 20:54.20 | Shirik | I'm not evil |
| 20:54.28 | Shirik | I just refuse to let my roommates take over the entire network connection |
| 20:54.33 | Shirik | I've given them 2 months of warnings |
| 20:55.18 | ccox | what? Their porn downloads aren't as important as your raid? |
| 20:56.41 | Shirik | not when it's taking up 99% of the bandwidth |
| 20:56.45 | Shirik | Like |
| 20:56.49 | Shirik | I fly into dalaran and get DCed |
| 20:56.56 | Shirik | because the server can't send me that much info |
| 20:58.49 | kd3 | isn't that fun? |
| 20:59.10 | ccox | are you sure it's not because of your $20 video card? |
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| 21:04.53 | Shirik | ok, still no eth0/eth1 |
| 21:04.54 | Shirik | wtf |
| 21:05.22 | Shirik | virtualpc is doing something really strange |
| 21:07.32 | Shirik | Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21140 [FasterNet] (rev 20) |
| 21:07.37 | Shirik | That's what I should be looking in kernel config? |
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| 21:15.32 | Cruciformer | in teh standard blizzard raid frames, what is Main Asist really meant for? Backup tank? Healers? |
| 21:16.18 | nevcairiel | main assist usually refers to the person that everyone else assists, aka the guy that chooses which target to kill |
| 21:16.29 | Dagmar | They're mainly so that people have a unit frame to click on and then assist |
| 21:16.48 | Cruciformer | why not just click on the main tank and hit 'F' |
| 21:17.21 | Shadowed | what if you have a fight with 2-3 mobs, and your MT isn't always on the main one? |
| 21:17.23 | nevcairiel | the main tank may be switching targets and catching mobs |
| 21:17.24 | Shadowed | or trash |
| 21:17.26 | kd3 | because the mt may not be targeting the mob that needs to die first |
| 21:17.26 | Shadowed | or that |
| 21:17.36 | Cruciformer | ah ok |
| 21:17.39 | Shadowed | MA is the person whos always going to be on the target that needs to be killed |
| 21:17.40 | nevcairiel | MA could as well be a DPS |
| 21:17.41 | Cruciformer | makes sense I guess |
| 21:17.51 | Shadowed | MT are the people who are tanking |
| 21:18.08 | nevcairiel | back in hyjal we had a rogue always set as MA |
| 21:18.17 | Cruciformer | I dont suppose oRA2 does anything intelligent with MA does it? |
| 21:18.23 | nevcairiel | mostly selecting targets for the other melees |
| 21:18.25 | nevcairiel | and non-aoe range |
| 21:18.41 | Pneumatus | ora2 has nothing to do with the blizzard tanks |
| 21:18.46 | Shirik | I found out the kernel module I missed |
| 21:18.52 | Shirik | epic win |
| 21:18.57 | Cruciformer | cant wait for ora3, which does. |
| 21:19.01 | Shirik | I turned on just about every network device EXCEPT mine |
| 21:19.16 | Shadowed | isn't ora3 dropping the MT/MA frames |
| 21:19.17 | nevcairiel | you're doing it wrong, Shirik |
| 21:19.33 | nevcairiel | its not too hard to figure out which is the right one :P |
| 21:19.45 | Cruciformer | Shadowed: No its just obeying the MT as set in teh standard blizzard frames instead of just teh CTRA mechanism |
| 21:20.03 | Cruciformer | (but I believe it will do both, if others are running CTRA/oRA2) |
| 21:20.14 | Pneumatus | i think it maintains an order though |
| 21:20.16 | Pneumatus | for the blizz MTs |
| 21:20.24 | Pneumatus | so people using ora3 will have them ordered |
| 21:20.27 | Cruciformer | It was very dumb of CTRA to not interface with the standard blizzard stuff in teh first place. |
| 21:20.37 | Pneumatus | they didnt exist |
| 21:20.44 | nevcairiel | back when CTRA was designed, there was no blizzard stuff |
| 21:20.49 | Shirik | nevcairiel: I was unaware of lspci -k |
| 21:20.49 | Shadowed | keep in mind CTRA format is like |
| 21:20.51 | Shadowed | 5 years old? |
| 21:20.54 | Shirik | once I was told of the -k option, it was easy |
| 21:20.57 | Cruciformer | oh, was the MT/MA thing a more recent thing than CTRA? |
| 21:21.06 | Shadowed | some 2.x patch if I recall |
| 21:21.08 | Shirik | for some reason it's called "tulip" |
| 21:21.11 | Shadowed | I want to say 2.2-2.3 |
| 21:21.18 | nevcairiel | CTRA was around, when we didnt even have any raid frames in the default ui :P |
| 21:21.20 | Cruciformer | ah ok that explains that then. |
| 21:21.32 | Shadowed | and I'm pretty sure secure headers didn't support MA/MT until semi-recently |
| 21:21.35 | Shirik | I remember those days |
| 21:21.40 | jaxdahl | when were raid frames added? |
| 21:21.50 | Shadowed | raid frames were 2.0 I think |
| 21:21.52 | Cide | <Cruciformer> It was very dumb of CTRA to not interface with the standard blizzard stuff in teh first place. |
| 21:21.53 | Cide | lolol |
| 21:21.55 | jaxdahl | what no |
| 21:22.09 | Cide | way to speak with no idea what you're talking about |
| 21:22.12 | nevcairiel | Cide, you should've really done it, i mean, seriously! |
| 21:22.13 | Cruciformer | Cide: I spoke in ignorance, I appologise. |
| 21:22.17 | Slafsinator | 2.1 according to patch notes :) |
| 21:22.22 | Shadowed | close enough |
| 21:22.45 | Pneumatus | sounds about right |
| 21:22.49 | Slafsinator | no you're right, 2.2 |
| 21:22.55 | Slafsinator | the god damn note is so large |
| 21:23.02 | Slafsinator | hard to even read it properly ;P |
| 21:23.07 | Cruciformer | however, CTRA has had umpteen different revisions since 2.0 came out, they could have figured a way of sliding it in :p |
| 21:23.11 | jaxdahl | grid was one of the best new addons in 2.x |
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| 21:23.16 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Seerah] by ChanServ |
| 21:23.30 | Shadowed | if I had to take a guess, CTRA probably couldn't implement it that easily |
| 21:23.35 | Cide | Cruciformer: yeah, the devs of ctra weren't very bright |
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| 21:23.42 | Shadowed | yea Cide, pratically idiots! |
| 21:23.49 | Cruciformer | Cide: *rolls eyes* you know what I mean. |
| 21:24.02 | Cide | huh? not following |
| 21:24.36 | Cide | the ctra devs really had no clue what they were doing |
| 21:24.37 | Cide | true story |
| 21:24.54 | Shirik | The ctra devs still have no clue what they're doing |
| 21:24.55 | Cruciformer | Go ahead take more potshots I really don't care. I appologised for speaking in ignorance, if you want to belabour the whole vilification thing go right ahead. |
| 21:24.56 | Shadowed | wait aren't you the CTRA dev |
| 21:25.01 | Shadowed | now I'm confused :< |
| 21:25.17 | Cide | way to get the joke, Shadowed |
| 21:25.22 | nevcairiel | I wonder if TS actually did all the CTRA work, or if cide is to blame :P |
| 21:25.22 | Seerah | hehe |
| 21:25.32 | Shadowed | no I got it |
| 21:25.34 | Cide | Cruciformer: I'm not sure what you're thinking |
| 21:25.36 | Shirik | Cide is to blame for everything |
| 21:25.39 | Shadowed | but anyway |
| 21:25.42 | Cide | or if you even know I developed ctra |
| 21:25.54 | Cide | I'm not taking potshots at you in any case, only myself |
| 21:26.01 | Shirik | Cide uses python |
| 21:26.05 | Shirik | that's a testament to his insanity |
| 21:26.18 | Cide | hey, GOOGLE uses it. |
| 21:26.32 | Shirik | you work for google?! |
| 21:26.38 | Cruciformer | google uses it way too damned much |
| 21:26.42 | Shadowed | not sure, I hear languages that force indentation are pretty evil |
| 21:26.44 | Shadowed | right Kalroth |
| 21:26.51 | Kalroth | :D |
| 21:27.07 | Shirik | ada should be the primary language for the interwebs |
| 21:27.16 | Cide | the best part about python re: indentation |
| 21:27.48 | Cide | is that if you're programming in a way that remotely resembles "sane", you're not affected at all |
| 21:28.07 | Cide | so I don't see the issue |
| 21:28.32 | Cide | the argument should go "I really really really want to type out those extra braces, why won't python let me???" |
| 21:30.40 | Mikk | Shit, is the indentwar still on? =P |
| 21:30.47 | Cide | it just started |
| 21:30.50 | Cide | and it's not a war |
| 21:30.57 | Cide | everybody quieted down when I won |
| 21:30.57 | Kalroth | pours some gasoline. |
| 21:31.02 | Mikk | Heh, no, we were doing it 7 hours ago too |
| 21:31.05 | Cide | so now I'm off to bed |
| 21:31.36 | Mikk | It was mostly Kalroth vs Everyone Else tho :P |
| 21:31.49 | nevcairiel | I've always indented properly, in any language i ever used, i never even thought about that in python really. their forced indentation perfectly matches my style :P |
| 21:32.00 | Shirik | Cide: Python should let me use tabs |
| 21:32.06 | Cide | it does |
| 21:32.10 | Kalroth | oi, I wasn't alone |
| 21:32.12 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:32.18 | nevcairiel | ~failrik |
| 21:32.19 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 21:32.19 | Shirik | that was anticlimatic |
| 21:32.21 | Kalroth | at least one person agreed with me |
| 21:32.32 | Cide | Shirik: but I agree, it SHOULDN'T |
| 21:32.35 | Cide | better? |
| 21:32.37 | Shirik | :D |
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| 21:34.51 | olafski | hey, I'm calling my OnLoad() method from the main addon .lua file, is there something specifically wrong with that? cause I see other addons using an xml file with an <OnLoad></OnLoad> part for it |
| 21:35.16 | nevcairiel | nah, thats fine |
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| 21:35.39 | Cide | Shirik: I bet you'd like python if you used it though |
| 21:35.46 | Shirik | why? |
| 21:35.51 | nevcairiel | everyone likes python |
| 21:35.52 | Cide | it's a great language |
| 21:36.01 | Shirik | I need to learn ada before I learn python |
| 21:36.09 | olafski | nevcairiel: thank you again ;) |
| 21:36.13 | Cide | it's like lua but better |
| 21:36.18 | Cide | there, I said it |
| 21:36.24 | Kalroth | lol |
| 21:36.26 | tem | instance server boss keeps wiping my group |
| 21:36.30 | kd3 | import soul; |
| 21:36.39 | Cide | from __future__ import braces |
| 21:36.51 | Adys | import antigravity |
| 21:37.00 | Cide | import this |
| 21:37.07 | Shirik | you forgot the underscores |
| 21:37.13 | Cide | nope |
| 21:37.19 | Shirik | import _______________________________________________________________antigravity______________________________________________________________- |
| 21:37.31 | Adys | u funi |
| 21:37.31 | Cide | ~failrik |
| 21:37.32 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 21:37.40 | Cide | python doesn't use underscores much |
| 21:37.51 | Arrowmaster | __init__? |
| 21:37.58 | Cide | special method names use double underscores |
| 21:38.03 | Cide | but they're not used that much |
| 21:38.09 | Kalroth | fail = ___import___('fail') |
| 21:38.13 | Arrowmaster | really? |
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| 21:38.19 | Cide | yes, really |
| 21:38.24 | Arrowmaster | ckk uses it fucking everywhere in the curseforge stuff |
| 21:38.27 | Cide | __init__ and __unicode__ is what I use the most |
| 21:38.37 | Cide | depends on what you're doing |
| 21:38.48 | Cide | if you're implementing a new class that simulates an existing interface |
| 21:38.51 | nevcairiel | he probably wants to overwrite all the meta methods for comparison and stuff :P |
| 21:39.10 | Cide | like when I did a Force class for adding/subtracting/cross-producting forces |
| 21:39.11 | Shirik | I would like to see % of lines that contain a _ in an average Python script |
| 21:39.13 | Kalroth | can you override the meta method for overriding meta methods? |
| 21:39.23 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.36 | Shirik | what is that |
| 21:40.26 | Shirik | bc `grep script _ | wc -l` * 100 / `cat script | wc -l` |
| 21:40.27 | Shirik | ? |
| 21:40.31 | Kalroth | http://www.java2s.com/Code/Python/Class/ClassTimewithcustomizedattributeaccess.htm like this, Shirik :) |
| 21:40.32 | Shirik | something like that |
| 21:40.49 | nevcairiel | despite the "if __name__ == '__main__'" line, i don't have any underscores in my little daemon i wrote recently :D |
| 21:40.49 | tem | ADDITONAL INSTANCE CANNOT BE LAUNCHED |
| 21:41.40 | Adys | 307 underscores out of 23954 chars in my script |
| 21:41.45 | Cide | Shirik: however |
| 21:41.48 | Adys | my update script* |
| 21:41.58 | Shirik | said lines, not characters |
| 21:42.00 | Cide | python's style guidelines say method names should_be_underscored() |
| 21:42.06 | Shirik | ew |
| 21:42.14 | Shirik | I hate that convention |
| 21:42.14 | Adys | yep |
| 21:42.16 | Cide | insteadOfCamelCased |
| 21:42.18 | nevcairiel | i bet Shirik is a CamelCaseMan |
| 21:42.23 | Shirik | yes |
| 21:42.31 | Adys | its just a guideline |
| 21:42.39 | nevcairiel | i hate camel case |
| 21:42.40 | Kalroth | BUT INDENTATION ISNT! |
| 21:42.40 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 21:42.47 | Adys | yes, it is Kalroth |
| 21:42.50 | Adys | 4 space guideline |
| 21:42.59 | Adys | i dont follow it, I use a tab |
| 21:43.05 | Kalroth | liar |
| 21:43.10 | Shirik | I should kick you Adys |
| 21:43.22 | Kalroth | if f2.x == f2.__class__.__dict__['x'] : |
| 21:43.23 | Kalroth | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.25 | Kalroth | hot |
| 21:44.04 | tem | ADDITONAL INSTANCE CANNOT BE LAUNCHED |
| 21:44.05 | tem | ADDITONAL INSTANCE CANNOT BE LAUNCHED |
| 21:44.05 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+rRf #shiibot] by Shiibot |
| 21:44.05 | Shiibot | Channel locked temporarily. Elapsed time: 5523 minutes |
| 21:44.07 | tem | ADDITONAL INSTANCE CANNOT BE LAUNCHED |
| 21:44.12 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:44.12 | Adys | owned tem |
| 21:44.16 | Kalroth | lol |
| 21:44.20 | nevcairiel | too bad tem can still spam |
| 21:44.25 | tem | ADDITONAL INSTANCES CANNOT BE LAUNCHED |
| 21:44.28 | Kalroth | Elapsed time: 5523 minutes |
| 21:44.29 | Kalroth | wat? |
| 21:44.50 | tem | since last lock probably |
| 21:44.56 | Shirik | tem |
| 21:44.57 | Shirik | wtf |
| 21:45.01 | Arrowmaster | lua> 5523/60 |
| 21:45.01 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 92.05 |
| 21:45.09 | Arrowmaster | 92 hours? |
| 21:45.14 | Adys | doesnt sound right |
| 21:45.28 | Adys | i havent seen any spammer recently |
| 21:45.30 | Adys | apart from tem |
| 21:45.31 | Shirik | Since last lock/change/restart |
| 21:45.37 | Shirik | I changed the AI recently |
| 21:45.59 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-rRf] by Shirik |
| 21:46.00 | Shirik | !reload |
| 21:46.01 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 21:47.01 | Cide | Shiibot: 3419/8103 |
| 21:47.11 | tem | ADDITONAL INSTANCES CANNOT BE LAUNCHED |
| 21:47.19 | Shirik | I'm going to kill you |
| 21:47.23 | tem | TRIES AGAIN LATER |
| 21:47.28 | tem | ASLDFKJASDLFKJASDLKAJSDF |
| 21:47.29 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+rRf #shiibot] by Shiibot |
| 21:47.29 | Shiibot | Channel locked temporarily. Elapsed time: 4 minutes |
| 21:47.32 | Shirik | ... |
| 21:47.33 | Shirik | STOP IT |
| 21:47.34 | Shirik | lol |
| 21:47.37 | tem | rofl |
| 21:47.56 | Shirik | Shiibot is getting very pissed off at you |
| 21:47.56 | tem | sorry |
| 21:48.04 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-rRf] by Shirik |
| 21:48.05 | Arrowmaster | make it ignore people with +v? |
| 21:48.05 | Shirik | !reload |
| 21:48.06 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 21:48.07 | tem | I've been trying to get into oculus for 30 minutes |
| 21:48.11 | Cide | ADDITIONAL INSTANCES CANNOT BE LAUNCHED |
| 21:48.27 | tem | people with +v shouldn't be spamming, Arrowmaster |
| 21:48.32 | Kalroth | ADDITIONAL TEMS CANNOT BE LAUNCHED |
| 21:48.44 | Cide | lua> 3419/8103 |
| 21:48.44 | lua_bot | Cide: 0.42194249043564 |
| 21:48.54 | Cide | Shirik: 42% of the lines |
| 21:49.00 | Shirik | rofl |
| 21:49.11 | Shirik | now halp me compile my kernel |
| 21:49.16 | Adys | http://translationparty.com/tp/#793927 |
| 21:49.49 | Cide | Shirik: check how many % of lines contain . or -> in c++ |
| 21:49.58 | Shirik | ok |
| 21:50.03 | Shirik | I'll check my minion installer app |
| 21:50.17 | Adys | i dont get whats wrong with underscores |
| 21:50.22 | Cide | isn't that java? |
| 21:50.26 | Adys | they arent exactly pretty but meh |
| 21:50.32 | Shirik | The windows portion is C++ |
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| 21:50.38 | Shirik | because I need UAC elevation |
| 21:50.45 | Cide | Adys: http://translationparty.com/tp/#794117 |
| 21:50.51 | Adys | tem: someone just reported that post |
| 21:50.52 | Adys | http://i31.tinypic.com/spu90l.jpg |
| 21:51.11 | Shirik | Cide wins I think |
| 21:51.18 | Shirik | give that to tem |
| 21:51.22 | Cide | hm? |
| 21:51.26 | Shirik | your link |
| 21:51.30 | Cide | haha |
| 21:51.31 | Cide | yeah |
| 21:51.37 | Cide | tem: http://translationparty.com/tp/#794117 |
| 21:51.53 | Adys | http://translationparty.com/tp/#794248 |
| 21:52.12 | Adys | theres the solution |
| 21:52.15 | Adys | restart your computer |
| 21:52.40 | Cide | You can start additional instances. |
| 21:52.49 | Adys | hurray |
| 21:52.58 | Cide | anyway |
| 21:52.59 | Cide | off to bed |
| 21:53.00 | Cide | late |
| 21:53.01 | Cide | r |
| 21:53.12 | Adys | laters |
| 21:53.18 | Mikk | I have an admission to make. I made a G11 macro to jump in and out of an instance portal. |
| 21:53.42 | Adys | I have an admission to make aswell |
| 21:53.43 | Mikk | I know it's a ToU violation. But imnsho blizzard are violating their terms too so it balances out :< |
| 21:53.56 | Adys | I don't enter instances, i watch others do it for me and fraps it |
| 21:54.20 | Mikk | At least this way I can do nothing while my toon is doing nothing. Seems fair. |
| 21:54.30 | Mikk | (aka go and have a smoke or whatever) |
| 21:54.46 | Adys | hm |
| 21:54.53 | Adys | i read that as "a smoke of whatever" |
| 21:55.01 | Mikk | I'm not dutch |
| 21:55.15 | olafski | I resent that |
| 21:55.16 | Thunder_Child | lies |
| 21:55.20 | Nechckn | lol, with some wait times, you likely could smoke a whole pack! |
| 21:55.27 | tem | ADDITONAL INSTANCES CANNOT BE LAUNCHED |
| 21:55.27 | Mikk | Blizzard should have added instance queueing half a year ago to fix this shit |
| 21:55.35 | olafski | indeed |
| 21:55.54 | Mikk | Well, the CORRECT solution would be to fucking balance their hardware and/or fix performance bugs in Naxx |
| 21:55.57 | Mikk | But to alleviate it |
| 21:56.04 | Mikk | Half a year of jumping into a portal = durrrr |
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| 21:56.07 | tem | I assume that wasn't done, Mikk, because it's not as easy as it sounds |
| 21:56.07 | Nechckn | Or... buy/rent some iron to allow folks to actually enter |
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| 21:56.16 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v Lopeppeppy] by ChanServ |
| 21:56.22 | Shirik | tackles Lopeppeppy |
| 21:56.25 | tem | and they wanted to actually fix the problem |
| 21:56.31 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Shirik! Happy Sunday! |
| 21:56.37 | tem | instead of putting in a kludge to help people wait |
| 21:56.37 | Mikk | I'm sure the devs want to solve it |
| 21:56.39 | Nechckn | they keep pushing everyone to endgame, you'd think they would have forseen a big jump in instances |
| 21:56.43 | olafski | "let's make a change that will make a gazillion more people do heroics instead of standing in dalaran, that won't hurt the instance servers right?" |
| 21:57.33 | cbreak | my server was down during prime time after the 3.2 patch |
| 21:57.37 | Mikk | Yeah releasing 3.2 with the current state of affairs on instance servers ... |
| 21:57.42 | cbreak | apparently because they wanted to fix that instance problem |
| 21:57.43 | Mikk | That was a _BAD_ _MOVE_ |
| 21:57.50 | cbreak | it seems to have worked for my server at least |
| 21:57.57 | foxlit | It'll fix itself in two weeks. |
| 21:58.06 | Mikk | Mmmm people fleeing to Aion beta |
| 21:58.10 | olafski | yeah I've already stopped doing HCs :) |
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| 21:58.33 | olafski | was fun for a day |
| 21:58.42 | Lopeppeppy | So I missed a patch while I was off camping? |
| 21:58.59 | Nechckn | Aion looks semi-interesting... anyone played? |
| 21:59.00 | foxlit | kd3: is kd3|hate*nebook too long? |
| 21:59.19 | kd3|netbook | nah, just forgot to adjust settings on this copy |
| 21:59.29 | Nechckn | You likely timed it well, Lopeppeppy =) |
| 22:00.03 | Nechckn | This way at least most bugs are squashed and lag is a bit less. |
| 22:00.11 | Lopeppeppy | I can't find my authenticator anyway, time to call customer service and unhook it, I guess. |
| 22:00.34 | Nechckn | just make up some numbers- maybe you'll get lucky! |
| 22:00.52 | foxlit | 1-in-a-million chance |
| 22:00.56 | foxlit | Happens 6 times out of 10./ |
| 22:01.08 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 22:01.17 | Nechckn | That would add some new element to WoW - must enter number, whether you have authenticator or not! |
| 22:01.34 | Nechckn | There, instance issues, lag, et cetera solved! |
| 22:01.47 | widgertick | I hope mine's 31415926 :P |
| 22:01.56 | foxlit | surely 123456 |
| 22:01.57 | Nechckn | 8675309.... |
| 22:02.08 | Lopeppeppy | sings along. |
| 22:02.14 | Nechckn | well, 867530, anyway |
| 22:02.21 | Lopeppeppy | I can download the patch at least. If it will download. Says it won't. How unhelpful. |
| 22:02.35 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 22:02.46 | tem | ADDITONAL INSTANCES CANNOT BE LAUNCHED |
| 22:02.51 | Lopeppeppy | Bite me, Tem. :) |
| 22:02.55 | foxlit | Hey, Fisker, are we there yet? |
| 22:03.03 | Nechckn | removes Fisker's trout |
| 22:03.04 | Fisker | where? |
| 22:03.07 | foxlit | there! |
| 22:03.09 | Nechckn | There, no more!! |
| 22:03.12 | tem | Lopeppeppy, I've been trying to enter oculus for 40 minutes |
| 22:03.18 | Fisker | You must construct additional instanceservers |
| 22:03.21 | Mikk | oculus is one of the mostly permabroken ones |
| 22:03.23 | Mikk | along with UP |
| 22:03.25 | tem | I don't even want to do the goddamn place |
| 22:03.26 | Mikk | and both halls |
| 22:03.33 | Mikk | at least on my server |
| 22:03.37 | ScytheBlade1 | tem: have you and your group chain jump through the portal. You'll get one pretty quickly |
| 22:03.43 | Mikk | not on those instances you won't |
| 22:03.53 | tem | ScytheBlade1, we've been doing that for 40 minutes |
| 22:03.58 | foxlit | Mikk: I suspect anything that isn't ToC suffers |
| 22:04.05 | Kalroth | but Blizzard fixed the hardware, tem!! |
| 22:04.08 | Mikk | no, there's others that are fine |
| 22:04.16 | Mikk | that list = don't even consider it |
| 22:04.21 | Mikk | (again, on my realm) |
| 22:04.22 | cbreak | the new BG is laggy. |
| 22:04.31 | foxlit | I've done Oc |
| 22:04.35 | Shirik | :tem!n=tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem PRIVMSG #wowuidev :+ADDITONAL INSTANCES CANNOT BE LAUNCHED |
| 22:04.36 | Shirik | AC: Entry 1 |
| 22:04.36 | Shirik | Total score: 27.694373551408 |
| 22:04.41 | Shirik | I swear to god if you trip him again :P |
| 22:04.52 | tem | rofl |
| 22:05.03 | foxlit | Hm, so you (1) Have to lurk |
| 22:05.10 | foxlit | (2) Have to say something in CAPS. |
| 22:05.26 | Shirik | nah, it's just picking up the fact that he's said the same things like 20 times |
| 22:05.26 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: should put a weight on the hostmasks, too |
| 22:05.34 | Shirik | there is |
| 22:05.35 | foxlit | I'm surprised @WoWUIDev/ isn't a strong negative weight. |
| 22:05.37 | Lopeppeppy | Tem, I tried to do that one once. You're right, permabrokened! |
| 22:05.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: freenode given addresses should probably be exempt entirely |
| 22:05.43 | Shirik | I could add that |
| 22:05.55 | ScytheBlade1 | s/addresses/hostmasks/ |
| 22:06.17 | ScytheBlade1 | If the hostmask contains a / --> ignore it |
| 22:06.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Though I'm not sure how that'd work for the web proxies and such |
| 22:06.38 | Shirik | I don't have any reason to ignore people |
| 22:07.15 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ 18:02 < Fisker> You must construct additional instanceservers |
| 22:07.45 | foxlit | By now it's probably "instance server limit reached." |
| 22:07.57 | tem | WE REQUIRE MORE VESPENE GAS |
| 22:08.09 | tem | yeah, we give up |
| 22:08.09 | foxlit | Since they're repeatedly denying that they can throw more hardware at the thing. |
| 22:08.45 | cbreak | foxlit: you have no idea how expensive more windows licenses for all those other CPUs would be... :) |
| 22:08.54 | foxlit | They run windows? |
| 22:09.00 | ScytheBlade1 | cbreak: they totally aren't running windows on those |
| 22:09.00 | tem | actually |
| 22:09.01 | foxlit | Why. |
| 22:09.05 | cbreak | with all that lag, I wouldn't be surprised |
| 22:09.11 | tem | I'm pretty certain they aren't |
| 22:09.21 | tem | in fact, I think I heard that from the horse's mouth |
| 22:09.36 | tem | I can't remember when, where or in what context |
| 22:09.57 | tem | but I'm certain someone in a position to know told me the servers were not windows |
| 22:10.37 | Industrial | we can sleep at night again :p |
| 22:10.39 | Lopeppeppy | Then maybe they need to try some windows servers next? For variety! |
| 22:10.48 | cbreak | ... |
| 22:11.02 | cbreak | where I work, they use lots of windows servers |
| 22:11.08 | cbreak | on VMWare server VMs |
| 22:11.20 | cbreak | and only two people can lot in via terminal client, due to license issues... |
| 22:11.45 | Arrowmaster | i thought somebody said they used oracle for their databases which means they are probably running linux or solaris |
| 22:12.17 | cbreak | the database doesn't have to run on the same server as the game |
| 22:12.20 | cbreak | it probably doesn't |
| 22:12.57 | Arrowmaster | right but they probably wouldnt mix drastically different operating systems |
| 22:13.17 | cbreak | yeah. |
| 22:13.43 | ScytheBlade1 | has all bets on RHEL |
| 22:13.43 | Lopeppeppy | Franken-server!! |
| 22:14.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, what is 'known' is that they run Oracle's clustered database (RAC) with the game server software running on something that can kernel panic |
| 22:15.19 | cbreak | everything can kernel panic :) |
| 22:15.25 | ScytheBlade1 | In that exact text |
| 22:15.37 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm pretty sure a BSOD doesn't include the text "kernel panic" |
| 22:15.42 | ScytheBlade1 | And I know that OSX doesn't either |
| 22:15.50 | Aelobin | rawr |
| 22:15.56 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 22:16.02 | Aelobin | :o |
| 22:16.13 | cbreak | mac os x does call it kernel panic |
| 22:16.21 | cbreak | not in the GUI, but in the docs |
| 22:16.32 | ScytheBlade1 | That is what I meant |
| 22:16.45 | cbreak | (unless you booted in verbose mode) |
| 22:17.20 | cbreak | http://osxbook.com/book/bonus/chapter5/panic/ |
| 22:17.21 | cbreak | nice |
| 22:17.30 | cbreak | a how-to to make mac os x kernel panic with a windows BSOD |
| 22:17.44 | cbreak | (yay for customisability) |
| 22:26.19 | foxlit | sigh, the new (old) unforgotten realms opening sucks :( |
| 22:27.32 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/latest |
| 22:27.36 | Adys | here goes another pusgh |
| 22:29.03 | Shirik | Adys is mean |
| 22:29.32 | Shirik | after the help I give him, he can't even bother to say "special thanks" on that tool :( |
| 22:29.36 | Shirik | goes to his corner |
| 22:29.47 | Adys | wut |
| 22:29.48 | Adys | what tool D: |
| 22:30.11 | Shirik | the thing that extracts info from items! |
| 22:30.14 | *** part/#wowuidev Movix1 (n=Movix@mail.schiffmann.fr) |
| 22:30.18 | Adys | the what what |
| 22:30.34 | Shirik | gives up |
| 22:30.42 | Cloudwolf | lol what the hell JYoo test item? |
| 22:30.45 | Adys | what are you on about :P |
| 22:30.49 | Cloudwolf | +3000-3000 fire dmg |
| 22:30.52 | Adys | no Cloudwolf |
| 22:30.52 | kd3 | kd3 |
| 22:30.54 | Adys | wrong question |
| 22:30.57 | Adys | what the hell is this: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/43489/mohawk-grenade/ |
| 22:31.17 | Cloudwolf | lol |
| 22:31.25 | Cloudwolf | i think blizard just likes to have fun testing things |
| 22:31.26 | Adys | http://translationparty.com/tp/#798319 |
| 22:31.30 | Adys | Unfortunately some idiot when you right-click! |
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| 22:31.54 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o iDolby] by ChanServ |
| 22:32.53 | Cloudwolf | o.O sturdy masks when did they add sturdy masks |
| 22:33.23 | Lopeppeppy | I guess they are better than flimsy ones? |
| 22:33.32 | Cloudwolf | must hbe hard to get |
| 22:33.33 | foxlit | in that they persist? |
| 22:33.43 | Cloudwolf | yes they persist not a 7 day limit |
| 22:33.50 | Adys | http://eu.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=1652 |
| 22:33.53 | Adys | Stranglethorn Vale (Heroic) |
| 22:34.23 | Cloudwolf | lol frostmourne |
| 22:34.42 | Cloudwolf | 150 int 100str 200 stam equip the wielder of frotmourne will become the new lich king heh... |
| 22:35.11 | Cloudwolf | rofl! http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/33564/world-drop-certificate/ |
| 22:37.11 | olafski | o_O |
| 22:38.19 | Shirik | is victorious! |
| 22:38.26 | Shirik | After approximately 20 hours, my kernel compiles correctly |
| 22:38.29 | Shirik | I think that's a new record |
| 22:38.29 | olafski | ... If we can communicate the chaos of the invasion! |
| 22:38.50 | ScytheBlade1 | can build a new kernel in about 3m flat |
| 22:39.04 | Shirik | hey hey |
| 22:39.06 | Shirik | hey |
| 22:39.12 | Shirik | this is virtualpc ok? |
| 22:39.20 | widgertick | Excuses |
| 22:39.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Why are you building a new kernel? |
| 22:39.24 | ScytheBlade1 | What distro is this? |
| 22:39.28 | Shirik | take a guess |
| 22:39.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Bad, dumb move |
| 22:39.38 | ScytheBlade1 | For a simple thing like arp spoofing |
| 22:39.38 | ScytheBlade1 | :P |
| 22:40.55 | Cloudwolf | O.o book of crafting secrets |
| 22:41.09 | Cloudwolf | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/45084/book-of-crafting-secrets/ that would be a nice item |
| 22:43.38 | Shirik | Well doesn't this figure |
| 22:43.40 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1... |
| 22:43.51 | Shirik | I can't emerge arp-sk because the mirror is down |
| 22:44.20 | ScytheBlade1 | gfg |
| 22:44.25 | ScytheBlade1 | brb, rebooting laptop |
| 22:46.07 | olafski | whoa cloudwolf |
| 22:46.22 | Cloudwolf | i doubt thats actualy in game and if it is |
| 22:46.29 | olafski | cloudwolf: think that doubles the skillup or the gain? |
| 22:46.47 | Cloudwolf | it sounds like if you gain1 level in tailor you actualy gain 2 |
| 22:47.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh and |
| 22:47.42 | ScytheBlade1 | ~failrik |
| 22:47.43 | purl | FAIL, Shirik, FAIL! |
| 22:47.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Just for good measure |
| 22:47.49 | ScytheBlade1 | ~factinfo failrik |
| 22:47.49 | purl | failrik -- created by Cide <n=Cide@hus110a.bobbnet.com> at Mon Mar 17 17:36:58 2008 (510 days); it has been requested 70 times, last by ScytheBlade1, 6s ago. |
| 22:47.54 | p3lim | does wowprogramming have any documentation on scrollframes? |
| 22:47.55 | ScytheBlade1 | 70? weeaaakkkk |
| 22:49.07 | Shirik | it got reset a while ago ScytheBlade11 |
| 22:49.21 | ScytheBlade1 | ah |
| 22:49.46 | p3lim | or wowwiki for that matter |
| 22:50.06 | *** join/#wowuidev monsterfi (i=null@87.110.65.114) |
| 22:50.11 | *** part/#wowuidev monsterfi (i=null@87.110.65.114) |
| 22:51.18 | mikma | p3lim: what are you after? |
| 22:52.07 | p3lim | im using tekKonfig for pMinimap's config, and I need it to be scroll-able |
| 22:52.29 | mikma | then why not check out how tek does it, mmmm? |
| 22:52.33 | p3lim | he doesnt |
| 22:52.35 | mikma | ie, ampere |
| 22:52.41 | mikma | oh, he does |
| 22:52.44 | p3lim | oh? |
| 22:52.58 | p3lim | *starts fiddling on github* |
| 22:53.29 | p3lim | oh hey |
| 22:53.40 | p3lim | thanks for the pointer, ill try it out |
| 22:53.45 | *** join/#wowuidev Mikk (n=Mikk@WoWUIDev/mikk) |
| 22:54.17 | Mikk | I _thought_ it went quiet |
| 22:54.35 | Mikk | -1 karma for Pidgin: doesn't show in the chat window that you disconnect. |
| 22:54.47 | mikma | pidgin! |
| 22:54.52 | mikma | hahahahaha |
| 22:55.03 | mikma | only swedes use pidgin |
| 22:55.14 | Mikk | ok smart alec can you tell me something else that does IRC, ICQ, MSN and gmail in one? |
| 22:55.47 | Mikk | gmail chat that is |
| 22:55.47 | Lopeppeppy | Trillian Pro. |
| 22:56.03 | mikma | sure. irssi, icq, msn messenger, and gmail.com |
| 22:56.06 | Jelly_ | or Astra |
| 22:56.06 | Lopeppeppy | I picked it up because I use them all for work and wanted just one program. |
| 22:56.15 | Lopeppeppy | True, Trillian Astra. |
| 22:56.32 | mikma | mikk: miranda |
| 22:56.33 | Jelly_ | BTW Peppy. /huuuuuuuuuuuug |
| 22:56.44 | mikma | mikk: also, i use pidgin in my tablet ;) |
| 22:57.43 | Mikk | miranda... is that the one where you have to make copies of irc.dll to connect to multiple networks? |
| 22:58.12 | mikma | dunno, i usually use my tablet to msn+gtalk+irc |
| 22:58.17 | Lopeppeppy | Hi hi, Jelly-dear. |
| 22:58.44 | Jelly_ | tackles Peppy! |
| 22:58.54 | Aelobin | cowers in fear at the sight of Lopeppeppy. |
| 22:58.58 | Lopeppeppy | RAWR |
| 22:59.03 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 22:59.04 | Aelobin | ! |
| 22:59.11 | foxlit | huggle! |
| 22:59.35 | Aelobin | don't! |
| 22:59.37 | Aelobin | it's a trap |
| 22:59.42 | Lopeppeppy | huggles Gryphon |
| 22:59.49 | Gryphon | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 22:59.49 | Aelobin | onoes... :S |
| 23:00.33 | mikma | gryphon |
| 23:00.37 | Gryphon | mikma |
| 23:00.45 | Aelobin | touché salesman |
| 23:03.06 | Mikk | Why didn't I want Trillian 3 years ago.... hmmmmm.... |
| 23:03.10 | Mikk | fuzzy memories are fuzzy |
| 23:03.18 | mikma | mikk: it costs money? |
| 23:04.04 | Lopeppeppy | No, there's a free version of Trillian. |
| 23:04.22 | mikma | back then there wasnt |
| 23:04.41 | Stanzilla | there always was :( |
| 23:05.13 | mikma | porove it you hippie! |
| 23:05.14 | Lopeppeppy | I only upgraded to Pro for some vague feature I needed as a contractor that I don't anymore. Free was what I had before that, and what I have now. |
| 23:06.53 | Mikk | Humz... Basic doesn't do logs/searching/highlight(ping) ? |
| 23:07.27 | Mikk | Nor file transfer? |
| 23:07.28 | mikma | mikk: irssi+bitlbee! |
| 23:07.55 | Mikk | Mikma: pidgin |
| 23:08.03 | mikma | swede |
| 23:08.06 | durcyn | irssi in screen or go home |
| 23:08.19 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: I am a god! |
| 23:08.25 | Shirik | just a really slow one |
| 23:08.28 | Shirik | really really slow |
| 23:08.36 | Shirik | like hermes but the opposite direction |
| 23:08.44 | mikma | herpes? |
| 23:08.50 | Shirik | .. |
| 23:08.53 | Mikk | durcyn: if i wanted to irc from work, that's what i would use too |
| 23:09.01 | Mikk | but i don't |
| 23:09.11 | durcyn | well, fuck your couch then? |
| 23:09.30 | Mikk | leaves puter on 24/7, problem solved |
| 23:09.46 | Shirik | lua> return "\1" |
| 23:09.48 | mikma | dumbass disconnecter |
| 23:09.56 | Mikk | also lives in sweden where power cuts happen roughly once every 10 years |
| 23:10.07 | Mikk | Now the DSL modem.. that's another story :< |
| 23:10.15 | Mikk | (Once every 2-3 months) |
| 23:10.28 | Shirik | ACTION |
| 23:10.28 | Shirik | Gryphon |
| 23:10.38 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:10.40 | mikma | clever |
| 23:10.43 | mikma | but no banana |
| 23:11.30 | Shirik | I wonder if there's a way to do something like |
| 23:11.42 | Shirik | GryphonnPRIVMSG #wowuidev Hai! |
| 23:11.46 | Gryphon | ShiriknPRIVMSG #wowuidev Hai! |
| 23:11.46 | *** join/#wowuidev kd3|netbook (n=kd3@wikia/kaydeethree) |
| 23:11.53 | Gryphon | o.O |
| 23:11.58 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 23:12.27 | mikma | gryphon;/msg #wowuidev . |
| 23:12.30 | Gryphon | mikma;/msg #wowuidev . |
| 23:12.41 | kd3 | ... |
| 23:12.42 | Gryphon | :p |
| 23:12.49 | Shirik | (16:11:45)  -⺠[CTCP/SHIRIK_AND_GRYPHON_FAIL] from Mikk (n=Mikk@WoWUIDev/mikk) |
| 23:12.50 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:12.56 | kd3 | ok, stop spamming the channel |
| 23:13.03 | Shirik | hey that was Mikk |
| 23:13.31 | Shirik | windows needs a sudo |
| 23:14.38 | mikma | amazing that i got 3 different replies |
| 23:14.53 | Mikk | yeah from the Mac users |
| 23:14.56 | Mikk | using Linkinus |
| 23:15.01 | Mikk | just got enlightened |
| 23:15.46 | mikma | kd3: http://translationparty.com |
| 23:15.57 | jnwhiteh | LimeChat |
| 23:16.07 | jnwhiteh | I've never understood the allure of Linkinus. |
| 23:16.37 | mikma | jnwhiteh: go to bed. |
| 23:16.44 | jnwhiteh | why, it's early? |
| 23:16.55 | mikma | 00:16! |
| 23:17.05 | Arrowmaster | why does freenode have a +C umode but not a +C channel mode |
| 23:17.06 | foxlit | move south. |
| 23:17.09 | jnwhiteh | mikma: -5 |
| 23:17.10 | foxlit | problem solved, it'll be 01:16 |
| 23:17.14 | jnwhiteh | mikma: i'm on the east coast |
| 23:17.32 | mikma | jnwhiteh: west side is the best, tzzz |
| 23:17.37 | jnwhiteh | psh |
| 23:18.22 | Mikk | idd, you do not make assumptions about which TZ jnwhiteh is in. you just roll with it. |
| 23:18.36 | Mikk | come to think of it, don't make assumptions about which one i'm (mentally) in either. |
| 23:18.41 | jnwhiteh | well, when I'm "home" I'm CEST-1 |
| 23:18.48 | jnwhiteh | When I'm visiting my family, I'm CEST-5 |
| 23:18.59 | Mikk | -5? oO |
| 23:19.03 | jnwhiteh | err |
| 23:19.04 | jnwhiteh | -6 |
| 23:19.07 | jnwhiteh | when I'm visiting my fiancé's family, I'm CEST-9 |
| 23:19.26 | Mikk | and when you're on iceland it's UTC+0 regardless of time of year! \o/ |
| 23:19.31 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 23:19.54 | mikma | jnwhiteh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzsNrPLpTuY |
| 23:20.27 | Lopeppeppy | I just go by Peppy time, so much easier. |
| 23:20.53 | Mikk | wtf dubbed to german |
| 23:21.00 | mikma | is it? |
| 23:21.07 | Mikk | is for me |
| 23:21.09 | mikma | haha, i have no sound on |
| 23:22.07 | Mikk | this is almost as weird as watching german-dubbed ST-TOS |
| 23:22.13 | Mikk | spock makes an awesome german |
| 23:22.48 | mikma | yeah.. sure.. ST-TOS.. |
| 23:23.01 | mikma | i think me meant german SCHEISSEPORN!! |
| 23:23.18 | Mikk | hahahahaha |
| 23:23.39 | mikma | OH LOOKIE, a typo and capslock |
| 23:24.24 | Lopeppeppy | Aww, how cute. |
| 23:24.51 | mikma | ~x en ger my name is mikk and i am from sweden. |
| 23:25.59 | Cloudwolf | lol schweden |
| 23:26.06 | Mikk | ~x en fi my name is mikma and i am a big fan of Fisker |
| 23:26.09 | Mikk | grumbles |
| 23:26.22 | Cloudwolf | fi? finish? |
| 23:26.23 | mikma | hi mikma! |
| 23:26.30 | Cloudwolf | err finnish... |
| 23:26.34 | Shirik | dlink's routers are confusing |
| 23:26.55 | Cloudwolf | took me a long time to figure out how to get my dlink to host a garrys mod listen server |
| 23:26.58 | mikma | ~x en nl shiriks balls are confusing |
| 23:27.04 | Shirik | I sent out an ARP packet to DoS the connection between two computers on my network as a test |
| 23:27.10 | Cloudwolf | I finnaly had to email them |
| 23:27.12 | Shirik | and the router went nuts (and wasn't even involved in the packet...) |
| 23:28.52 | foxlit | failrik time? |
| 23:29.00 | Shirik | why? |
| 23:29.01 | Shirik | I win |
| 23:29.19 | foxlit | You desired insanity? |
| 23:29.26 | Shirik | not really |
| 23:29.30 | *** join/#wowuidev Spellshaper1 (n=Spellsha@dslb-084-056-210-160.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:29.33 | Shirik | but I did manage to disconnect |
| 23:30.40 | *** join/#wowuidev Wobin (n=Wobin@124-170-216-168.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 23:30.52 | Mikk | I'm not surprised. I know what dlink software procuring & manufacturing looks like. |
| 23:31.44 | mikma | torhal: lal wut, http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13097-Ribbon.html#comments |
| 23:31.44 | Mikk | And how their section management teams somehow seem to rotate quarterly |
| 23:31.55 | Mikk | (Talking about the ones up top in .tw now) |
| 23:45.32 | *** join/#wowuidev alestane (n=nevin@c-66-30-209-28.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 23:45.32 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v alestane] by ChanServ |
| 23:46.57 | alestane | PEPPYPEPPYPEPPYPEPPYPEPPY!...*gasp!* |
| 23:47.19 | alestane | pouncles Lopeppeppy some more for good measure. |
| 23:52.10 | Lopeppeppy | Well, hello to you too, alestane. |
| 23:52.11 | *** join/#wowuidev Mikk (n=Mikk@WoWUIDev/mikk) |
| 23:54.09 | *** join/#wowuidev Shirik (n=mpdelbuo@WoWUIDev/WoWIStaff/Norganna/StatisticalEngineer/Shirik) |
| 23:54.09 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 23:54.50 | alestane | *bounce!* |
| 23:55.17 | Shirik | bounce? |
| 23:55.22 | Shirik | did you turn into Lopeppeppy? |
| 23:55.33 | alestane | Is Peppy back! |
| 23:55.56 | alestane | I think I was channeling her in slouken's birthday thread, anyway. |
| 23:56.31 | Shirik | ~channel Lopeppeppy |
| 23:56.36 | Shirik | :( |
| 23:56.40 | Lopeppeppy | I am totally back, and I'm sorry that I missed his birthday. |
| 23:58.42 | Torhal | mikma: The insanity will never stop. |
| 23:59.08 | mikma | torhal: yeah. left me in a deeper state of wut |
| 23:59.55 | Torhal | mikma: Here's what you do: Kill him, freeze him, then eat his brains. |
