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| 00:06.35 | foxlit | teehee, the evony boob ads are on wowi |
| 00:07.54 | Shirik | ? |
| 00:08.24 | foxlit | http://images.google.com/images?q=evony+ad |
| 00:11.21 | Kraps | thanks for the link, which is not safe to click now :( |
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| 00:12.58 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001286.html is moderately more sfw |
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| 00:14.01 | Kraps | its the blog post about the ads right? |
| 00:14.04 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 00:14.57 | Kraps | btw activ-blizz performed above expectations in Q2 |
| 00:17.45 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 00:17.46 | purl | ~pong |
| 00:17.51 | foxlit | whose expectations? |
| 00:17.52 | Bruners | anyone know how to catch when dungeon difficulty changes? |
| 00:18.05 | foxlit | There's probably an event. |
| 00:18.34 | Kraps | foxlit: the "market", whatever that is |
| 00:18.53 | foxlit | I'll accept "some dude, possibly in a company" |
| 00:19.22 | Kraps | that works too |
| 00:19.27 | NightHawkTheSane | wow, those ads are crazy |
| 00:19.56 | foxlit | Kraps: your own fault if you turned off safe search :) |
| 00:20.11 | foxlit | (It actually makes no difference) |
| 00:20.26 | foxlit | The blog post includes them all anyway. |
| 00:22.17 | foxlit | Shirik: "Give me an algorithm to correctly identify what is a "later version" and I will be glad to implement it." << Is there a "you must be right all the time" requirement, or can I do something relatively trivial that would catch most cases? |
| 00:22.29 | Shirik | "you must be right all the time" |
| 00:22.33 | Shirik | I have something trivial already :P |
| 00:22.47 | foxlit | Silly question |
| 00:22.56 | ScytheBlade1 | wow, definitely nsfw, though nothing showing |
| 00:22.59 | Ycarene | Is there an application I can use to update my mods? |
| 00:23.03 | ScytheBlade1 | http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/4065/248dd150e15ffaa25d882a6.jpg was posted in the comments |
| 00:23.06 | Shirik | foxlit: That was my intent |
| 00:23.09 | foxlit | I wonder if my version labeling breaks your trivial algorithm :) |
| 00:23.16 | Shirik | what's your version number |
| 00:23.23 | foxlit | "Delta 4" |
| 00:23.27 | WobWork | hehe |
| 00:23.28 | WobWork | http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/08/05/2646328.htm |
| 00:23.32 | Shirik | wtf o.O |
| 00:23.36 | WobWork | awesome article about how the aussie accent has changed |
| 00:23.39 | Shirik | seriously? |
| 00:23.42 | foxlit | Seriously. |
| 00:23.50 | Shirik | so what's the next version? |
| 00:23.58 | foxlit | It could be "Delta 5" |
| 00:24.01 | foxlit | It could be "Echo 1" |
| 00:25.03 | foxlit | [To be fair, there's also a standard major.minor style thing, but neither it nor the release label are ever explicitly exposed -- chances are you'll not be able to identify either in an installed addon] |
| 00:25.47 | Ycarene | Curse client won't work on my system. |
| 00:26.25 | Wobin | shirik: Just nab the first letter and number and compare =) |
| 00:27.19 | foxlit | devises a crazier plan |
| 00:27.28 | Wobin | Or have a module, that sends a query to foxlit each time it triggers and says: "Hey, Is Version <X> later than <Y>? Shoot The Monkey To Answer!" |
| 00:27.53 | Wobin | (You could probably make some dosh, that way too!) |
| 00:27.58 | foxlit | In a future, unspecified, addons, versions will be specified by the progression order of WoW bosses. |
| 00:28.30 | Wobin | But what about stuff like The Iron Council |
| 00:28.37 | NightHawkTheSane | OPie vGarr |
| 00:28.48 | Wobin | Or Hodir and Freya and Thorim? |
| 00:29.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: by that point, shirik will have figured out how to crack it, and foxlit will move on to something crazier |
| 00:29.08 | foxlit | Let's start with "Van Cleef" and go from there. |
| 00:30.18 | foxlit | Then you'll have to figure out whether "General Drakkisath" is newer than "Lord Valthalak" |
| 00:30.42 | Shirik | foxlit, in all seriousness |
| 00:30.44 | Shirik | why do you do that? |
| 00:30.52 | Shirik | you don't even have a ## Version tag |
| 00:31.01 | NightHawkTheSane | http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/08/05/not-available-where-penises-are-sold (actually SFW) |
| 00:31.20 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 00:31.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Saw that a while |
| 00:31.26 | ScytheBlade1 | *ago |
| 00:31.31 | foxlit | Because ## Version isn't actually used by the client and I wouldn't want to make your life easy :) |
| 00:31.44 | foxlit | It's all an elaborate plan from over a year ago. |
| 00:32.04 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: you are like the best inane evil genius. |
| 00:32.09 | Wobin | "Foxlit's Long Term Plan To Drive Shirik Batshit Insane: Phase 3" |
| 00:32.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Long term? |
| 00:32.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Overkill |
| 00:33.08 | Wobin | well, long term as in he planned this over a year ago |
| 00:33.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah |
| 00:33.30 | Wobin | Phase 3 is the gradual reveal =) |
| 00:33.34 | foxlit | It's so good, it started even before Minion was announced. |
| 00:33.53 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, Shirik seems like the kind of guy who'd drive himself crazy by age 30, so really foxlit is just hastening the inevitable |
| 00:33.53 | Kraps | what are you guys talkin about? |
| 00:34.04 | ScytheBlade1 | 20:31 < Wobin> "Foxlit's Long Term Plan To Drive Shirik Batshit Insane: Phase 3" |
| 00:34.07 | ScytheBlade1 | that |
| 00:34.35 | Shirik | I think I broke cia.vc |
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| 00:35.45 | Kraps | ScytheBlade1: how does it work and where can i get it? |
| 00:36.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Kraps: sit here, use ~failrik randomly when Shirik is mid sentence, and you'll have done your part |
| 00:38.57 | Kraps | amazon sells groceries? |
| 00:39.04 | NightHawkTheSane | amazon fresh! |
| 00:39.10 | NightHawkTheSane | from what i heard, it's pretty damn awesome |
| 00:40.02 | NightHawkTheSane | technically, they deliver to me, i ought to use them |
| 00:40.16 | Shirik | tackles Cairenn |
| 00:40.25 | Cairenn | oofs and falls over |
| 00:41.25 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_080609_033746.jpg http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_080609_033847.jpg <- fun with paper zeppelins |
| 00:42.13 | sacarasc | I've had about that many following me before... |
| 00:42.23 | sacarasc | It's fun. :D |
| 00:42.44 | mikma | i wonder can others see them |
| 00:43.03 | Wobin | just keep moving, Mikma? |
| 00:43.23 | mikma | wobin: i just ran in a circle while my friend was throwimg me the kites in middle of the circle |
| 00:43.36 | mikma | i threw them back = 2-3 zeppelins is enough to create that bunch |
| 00:43.43 | NightHawkTheSane | hm, question, when does the dalaran childrens week end? (or, start if it hasn't yet..?) |
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| 00:45.28 | Wobin | So the Dalaran kids week |
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| 00:45.41 | Wobin | you get the pet wolvar/oracle depending on which orphan you pick? |
| 00:49.06 | alestane | I believe so. |
| 00:49.26 | Arrowmaster | when is that? |
| 00:49.57 | alestane | At least, that was what happened to me. |
| 00:49.57 | alestane | I got it in the mail. |
| 00:50.44 | mikma | wobin: yes. |
| 00:50.51 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_080609_033746.jpg |
| 00:50.57 | mikma | i completed all the quests :) |
| 00:51.26 | mikma | notice, you will get it in mail |
| 00:51.31 | mikma | 1min+ after you turn in the quest |
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| 01:05.56 | mikma | what's wrong with grounding totem? :D |
| 01:07.00 | mikma | death grip on shaman that has totem -> totem gets destroyed and shaman is death gripped to me |
| 01:08.56 | Shirik | I love how Repo ALWAYS disconnects after a netsplit |
| 01:08.57 | Shirik | always |
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| 01:14.02 | robotusch | mikma, wanna bet that it's a bug in the code where the taunt part of death grip is absorbed by grounding totem? :D |
| 01:18.45 | foxlit | ScytheBlade1: I'm sure you're actually going to have an even worse problem with OPie |
| 01:19.12 | foxlit | Even if you manage to capture X-Version-Name-Wrath and do a meaningful comparison, you'll be comparing "Delta 4" to "1.38", which is what the Version: field on wowi is. |
| 01:19.22 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 01:19.39 | foxlit | At that point, I think the correct answer to "Which one is newer?" is "How should I know." |
| 01:19.49 | ScytheBlade1 | You should just drop my.. 'suggesion' inbetween releases for no real reason |
| 01:19.52 | ScytheBlade1 | *suggestion |
| 01:20.30 | foxlit | There's also the awesome X-Version-Name-Wrath: Edge |
| 01:20.43 | Shirik | wtf? |
| 01:20.46 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:21.01 | Shirik | are you trying to be like Ubuntu? |
| 01:21.03 | Shirik | Edgy |
| 01:21.05 | Shirik | Hardy |
| 01:21.27 | foxlit | No, it's the catch-all for "I can't be bothered actually releasing things, but here's that fix you wanted" |
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| 01:23.41 | Torhal | wonders how long it will be before Shirik starts denying new uploads of OPie... |
| 01:23.41 | foxlit | (god help you should you ever find that version installed) |
| 01:23.51 | Shirik | >.> |
| 01:24.23 | NightHawkTheSane | about 10 minutes ago |
| 01:24.37 | foxlit | Nah, we're good. |
| 01:24.51 | foxlit | If it wasn't for me, he'd have to spend time looking for another example. |
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| 01:30.10 | NightHawkTheSane | so, as an aside, isn't uploaded date effectively a version number? |
| 01:30.20 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 01:30.24 | ScytheBlade1 | funny you should mention that.. |
| 01:30.25 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, does anyone upload a file that's NOT newer than an existing one? |
| 01:30.36 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: but you don't have the old number. |
| 01:30.38 | ScytheBlade1 | Because I've been discussing that possibility with Shirik for the last 5 minutes |
| 01:30.43 | Dagmar | Occasionally they do |
| 01:30.44 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: ah, true |
| 01:30.57 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: this is where i make a trite remark about great minds? :P |
| 01:30.58 | Dagmar | Occasionally your system clock is bufu. |
| 01:31.10 | Dagmar | ...and sometimes, depending on the mechanism, they're just uploading the wrong file altogether. |
| 01:31.25 | ScytheBlade1 | NightHawkTheSane: keep in mind you're going the two of us together, so, pick your words wisely |
| 01:31.36 | foxlit | You could do something with the last modified dates, but (and it's a large, multi-part but) |
| 01:31.42 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: .. hm... true, i mean, Shirik is a great mind.. you.. well ;) |
| 01:31.49 | Dagmar | It's a dangerous "but" |
| 01:32.05 | foxlit | Extractors are not guaranteed to respect the last modified times in the archive. |
| 01:32.12 | foxlit | The archive can have botched last modified times. |
| 01:32.18 | foxlit | User may have edited files directly. |
| 01:32.28 | ScytheBlade1 | yup, and because the first two, it is a non-issue |
| 01:32.30 | Dagmar | ...and the author's system clock isn't guaranteed to be anything remotely like correct. |
| 01:32.36 | ScytheBlade1 | Set the ctime manually upon creation, record it |
| 01:32.39 | Dagmar | ...and TIME IS NOT A CONSTANT, DAMNIT. |
| 01:32.46 | Dagmar | Sometimes, time runs backwardss. |
| 01:32.56 | ScytheBlade1 | There are a few tricks to work out but as a whole it would probably be an improvement |
| 01:33.30 | foxlit | I'm partial to hashing EVERYTHING. |
| 01:33.39 | foxlit | Screw the user if they edited things. Their own fault. |
| 01:34.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I agree @ screw the user |
| 01:34.53 | Torhal | Use the screwer? |
| 01:35.05 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, i do. |
| 01:35.17 | Shirik | except it's not necessarily the user's fault, foxlit |
| 01:35.22 | Shirik | What about the Curse Client |
| 01:35.30 | Shirik | CC convieniently modifies every TOC file that's downloaded |
| 01:35.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Wait, it does? |
| 01:35.41 | foxlit | User's fault for running CC. |
| 01:35.46 | Shirik | youp, it adds a few lines to the TOC file |
| 01:35.50 | foxlit | neeeeext! |
| 01:35.50 | NightHawkTheSane | wait, it does? |
| 01:35.56 | Torhal | The Curse packager does that. |
| 01:36.02 | alestane | I have a wacky string.format problem and it may not have a solution...I need to increment the argument position in a string without printing anything. |
| 01:36.04 | Shirik | ok, sorry, the curse package |
| 01:36.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Packager makes sense |
| 01:36.14 | Shirik | In any case, point is it won't match what's on our site |
| 01:36.23 | ScytheBlade1 | erm |
| 01:36.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Unless they upload a curse package to WoWI |
| 01:36.33 | ScytheBlade1 | .. |
| 01:36.34 | Shirik | right |
| 01:36.37 | Shirik | but you can't guarantee that |
| 01:36.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Fair enough |
| 01:36.54 | foxlit | alestane: in wow? |
| 01:36.59 | alestane | Yes. |
| 01:37.06 | Torhal | Aye. I develop on WoWAce, then download the packaged file and upload that to WoWI. People could be doing the reverse |
| 01:37.13 | foxlit | Just use the %argi$x syntax |
| 01:37.23 | Shirik | the what o.o |
| 01:37.24 | Shirik | oh |
| 01:37.27 | Shirik | different conversation |
| 01:37.29 | alestane | The problem is that I don't want to modify the actual string that WILL print the value, because I'm cating it on from another string. |
| 01:37.45 | foxlit | printf has %n |
| 01:37.59 | foxlit | Lua reference says "The only differences are that the options/modifiers *, l, L, n, p, and h are not supported and that there is an extra option, q. " |
| 01:38.00 | alestane | format, however, doesn't. |
| 01:38.19 | foxlit | I'd take that to mean you're not going to get it done the way you'd like |
| 01:39.07 | foxlit | There's no reason printf would include multiple ways to do the same thing, and the way you'd like to do things is explicitly removed. |
| 01:39.42 | alestane | I'm in a situation where I need to say string.format("%2$s %1$s"..something, a, b, c), where "something is being supplied from another source and contains "%s". |
| 01:40.00 | foxlit | quote it? |
| 01:40.02 | alestane | And is supposed to contain %3$s. |
| 01:40.24 | foxlit | Concatenate after the format? |
| 01:40.46 | alestane | SO I was hoping maybe I could tack "%2$" or something similar onto the end of my string in order to reset it. |
| 01:41.13 | alestane | If I were doing that in all cases, yes, but I'm trying to get it down to the point where everything is a single format string. |
| 01:42.24 | alestane | I could try doing something along the lines of something:gsub("%%(%a)", "%%3$%1"), but that seems not very future proof. |
| 01:42.28 | foxlit | (something about pegs and differently-shaped holes) |
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| 01:42.57 | alestane | Yes, I know, I want it all. |
| 01:43.01 | foxlit | Unfortunate, I know. Your time would be more productively spent using a workaround and moving on to the next great puzzle :) |
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| 01:43.41 | Wimpsy` | Has oUF been updated for 3.2? |
| 01:44.39 | Zyndrome | more like the layouts, just have to change GetDifficultyColor |
| 01:44.44 | foxlit | The new Lua Error dialog is especially funny when it complains about itself. |
| 01:44.57 | Wimpsy` | Cheers Zyndrome. |
| 01:45.23 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: you mean they still didnt fix its usage of debugstack()? |
| 01:45.34 | foxlit | I haven't looked, really |
| 01:45.52 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.talkingtext.com/wordpress_en/2008/04/pdamobile-phone/apple-product-google-application-your-product |
| 01:46.23 | foxlit | Being in a 10 man raid made things throw errors; I think number 6 out of 7 had a message claiming fault in Blizzard_DebugTools or something similar |
| 01:46.34 | alestane | The debugstack count will PROBABLY be fixed for 3.2.2. |
| 01:46.45 | Arrowmaster | message() is still broken too |
| 01:46.53 | Arrowmaster | gg blizz |
| 01:47.06 | alestane | They were up against code freeze by the time I brought it up, it got bumped back. |
| 01:47.22 | Arrowmaster | thats stupid |
| 01:47.28 | ScytheBlade1 | it happens |
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| 01:47.42 | foxlit | wonders why the UI team is subject to the same release schedule |
| 01:47.59 | foxlit | Should've figured out a way to live-patch FrameXML by now. |
| 01:48.05 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 01:48.47 | Arrowmaster | code freezes shouldnt prevent fixing bugs that only require a 1-5 line change in something not used by anything else in the codebase |
| 01:49.27 | Dagmar | I'm still baffled as to why a code freeze would stop bug fixes |
| 01:49.47 | Arrowmaster | it never should |
| 01:49.48 | alestane | Yes, but the UI team is accountable to someone else who's keeping track of the whole production process. They might get some leeway in making small changes *if they are also important.* |
| 01:49.49 | Dagmar | Ah doon' lahk eet |
| 01:49.50 | foxlit | "Better the bugs we know about than whatever fixes you might come up with in the next 10 minutes." |
| 01:50.23 | alestane | "Is this critical to fix? Then hurry up and do it? No then it can wait till next patch." |
| 01:50.37 | foxlit | They have an awesome separation of client and its UI |
| 01:51.25 | foxlit | Linking UI updates to client updates seems... overly restrictive. |
| 01:51.48 | foxlit | [Of course, QA process, "overall quality", and other caveats apply] |
| 01:51.59 | Arrowmaster | except for one minor issue |
| 01:52.08 | Arrowmaster | THEY DONT QA THE UI CODE! |
| 01:52.44 | Arrowmaster | we have to tell them all the bugs |
| 01:53.31 | alestane | That, and you still don't want to be pushing out new client patches every couple of weeks. Easier to keep them synched. |
| 01:53.31 | Torhal | Gah. The double-click-the-cog-to-mark-this-forum-read is broken on WoWI. I don't want to read about Carbonite, nUI, see UI screenshots, etc |
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| 01:54.14 | foxlit | alestane: I'm suggesting patching UI outside of the client patch process. |
| 01:54.31 | alestane | That still requires patching the client. |
| 01:54.41 | foxlit | I'm suggesting that it should not. |
| 01:54.44 | Arrowmaster | or not emposing code freezes on the UI so they dont need to patch the client later |
| 01:54.49 | alestane | Not the game engine part of the client, but players would have to download and run a patch. |
| 01:54.53 | foxlit | Well, beyond sending you a diff of the framexml code. |
| 01:55.30 | alestane | I don't think you want to be hot-drawing FrameXML every time you log in. |
| 01:55.35 | A-KO | lol at Decon |
| 01:55.53 | foxlit | You could just slipstream it into the loginprocess -- "Hi, I have UI 1.2.3" >> "Here's a diff for 1.2.5" |
| 01:56.10 | foxlit | "Okay, I'll patch that it while nobody is looking" |
| 01:56.39 | Dagmar | Yes because what we REALLY want is a potential method for compromising hte login screen directly. |
| 01:56.46 | Dagmar | That would be pure win. |
| 01:56.58 | alestane | That sounds like a technically astute but really bad from a liability and reliability perspective idea. |
| 01:57.02 | ZorbaTHut | if they digitally signed it, it wouldn't be any less secure than what they already do |
| 01:57.49 | Dagmar | Oh and SSL certs never, ever get compromised. |
| 01:57.53 | alestane | Also, any new content the user will be running pretty much requires that they re-agree to the ToS and EULA, so you can't do it invisibly. |
| 01:57.53 | mikma | local destName = UnitName(unit .. "target") <- what does this line actually do? |
| 01:58.02 | vithos | anyone have an ammo swapping addon that knows to use good arrows on boss encounter adds? |
| 01:58.24 | foxlit | alestane: That's an awfully weird requirement. |
| 01:58.33 | ckknight | mikma: get the name of unit's target |
| 01:58.49 | foxlit | Dagmar: the SSL trust chain gets compromised. The individual certs do... not? |
| 01:59.14 | alestane | Haven't you ever wondered why you agree to the various contract terms after every patch, even though the terms haven't changed in over a year? |
| 01:59.20 | Arrowmaster | when hasnt the SSL trust chain not be compromised? |
| 01:59.23 | mikma | hmm, interesting |
| 01:59.50 | Arrowmaster | doesnt verisign still have a root CA cert using md2? |
| 02:00.19 | foxlit | I presume it's a merely "See, your honor, they've said "OKAY" to this 12 times in the last Y months" |
| 02:00.21 | Shirik | Pop quiz Vim gurus |
| 02:00.28 | Shirik | To search for foo, type /foo |
| 02:00.35 | Shirik | To go to next, type / |
| 02:00.36 | Shirik | right? |
| 02:00.39 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 02:00.41 | ajmitch | n |
| 02:00.42 | Shirik | Is there another way to "go to next" |
| 02:00.44 | Arrowmaster | n |
| 02:00.46 | Shirik | I've always used / |
| 02:00.47 | Arrowmaster | N to go back |
| 02:00.50 | Shirik | thanks |
| 02:00.57 | Shirik | this plugin doesn't seem to support the / shortcut |
| 02:01.21 | Arrowmaster | get used to it, less has the same bindings |
| 02:01.27 | Shirik | less? |
| 02:01.33 | Shirik | it supports searching o.O |
| 02:01.34 | foxlit | anyhow, naptime. |
| 02:01.44 | Arrowmaster | yes, gnu less |
| 02:02.02 | Arrowmaster | remember less it more, its got a lot of features |
| 02:02.17 | Arrowmaster | s/it/is/ |
| 02:04.50 | Shirik | well I always use less |
| 02:04.56 | Shirik | but only becausel less supports going back up :D |
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| 02:11.46 | ScytheBlade1 | less is more! |
| 02:15.32 | Shirik | does cia.vc have some kind of IRC channel? |
| 02:16.01 | Arrowmaster | yes but i remember it being perty empty |
| 02:16.21 | Shirik | I'm having trouble with it :/ |
| 02:16.23 | Shirik | I can't add new projects |
| 02:16.29 | Shirik | every time I click on "my projects" I kill the site |
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| 02:21.44 | alestane | lua> string.format("%u", -15) |
| 02:21.45 | lua_bot | alestane: 4294967281 |
| 02:24.32 | Dagmar | unsigned integers are unsigned |
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| 02:26.21 | anesthesia | my addons are not working? |
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| 02:32.04 | Wobin | oh man |
| 02:32.18 | Wobin | how do you do Uld10 XT? |
| 02:32.27 | Wobin | without dying on ridiculous amounts of bombbots? |
| 02:32.39 | ScytheBlade1 | so quite some time ago, I had (still have, actually) a low end, 16GB HD, 320MB RAM laptop that I took notes in class with |
| 02:32.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I dropped linux on there and didn't use X |
| 02:32.56 | vithos | Wobin: dodge them |
| 02:33.02 | Arrowmaster | ive got worse |
| 02:33.22 | vithos | Wobin: we tweaked our positioning, tanked him at the bottom of the stairs and before heartbreak, the raid moves onto the stairs |
| 02:33.23 | ScytheBlade1 | A friend just mentioned that her mom uses DOS to this day... and I mentioned something about how I did the same |
| 02:33.26 | Arrowmaster | i had to use a 266mhz laptop for school |
| 02:33.30 | ScytheBlade1 | (She saw me taking said notes, and saw how I was doing it) |
| 02:33.35 | Wobin | vithos: hm, that's a good idea |
| 02:33.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Her response was "nah, they're not the same. DOS is a lot more colorful." |
| 02:33.54 | vithos | Wobin: then after killing the heart, the raid just kills the pummelers and generally waits for the rest of the bots to kill themselves |
| 02:33.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Considering all I ever used was vim, yeah, she's probably right |
| 02:33.58 | Dagmar | There's people who still crap in outhouses, but that doesn't mean it's still an appropriate thing to do. |
| 02:35.01 | Dagmar | vithos: That's a sickeningly good idea actually |
| 02:35.06 | vithos | just make sure people don't forget to kill life sparks while the bots are still up |
| 02:35.35 | vithos | this is hard mode of course, no idea what happens if you don't do hard mode |
| 02:35.44 | Arrowmaster | haha it worked, i just tricked the debian testing installer into pulling just the 2.6.30 kernel from unstable and nothing else from unstable |
| 02:35.45 | Wobin | yeah non hard atm =) |
| 02:36.01 | vithos | i've also heard of just tanking him in the center of the room and dodging them that way |
| 02:36.17 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: May god have mercy on your soul |
| 02:36.28 | Arrowmaster | why |
| 02:36.31 | Dagmar | "Tricking" a unix system tends to result in tears at some point down the line. |
| 02:36.41 | Arrowmaster | nah i know what im doing |
| 02:36.47 | ajmitch | a bit of apt pinning never hurt anyone |
| 02:36.54 | Arrowmaster | thats exactly what i did |
| 02:37.10 | Dagmar | Ah I was about to ask about that |
| 02:37.11 | Dagmar | Hehe |
| 02:37.30 | Arrowmaster | i waited for debootstrap to install the base system then i went in to /target/etc/apt and added another source and did some apt pinning |
| 02:37.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: probably better off just building your own, right...? |
| 02:37.35 | Arrowmaster | then i continued the installer |
| 02:37.47 | Dagmar | I've had more excitring malfunctions from dpkg/apt than most anything else |
| 02:38.19 | Arrowmaster | i just dont want to boot up using 2.6.26 since im using ext4 |
| 02:38.21 | Dagmar | I've had an old Ubuntu revert itself back to debian, and I've had MythBuntu manage to "upgrade" itself to plain Ubuntu twice now |
| 02:38.21 | Dagmar | heh |
| 02:38.38 | Dagmar | Arrowmaster: Somehow I don't think that'll be a problem |
| 02:38.47 | kd3 | grr at "too many instances" |
| 02:38.55 | Dagmar | "load the kernel and die screaming" is a possibility |
| 02:39.33 | Arrowmaster | ext4 site mentions debian not having some ext4 fixes applied to 2.6.26 at some point |
| 02:40.54 | ajmitch | having data get silently chomped could be a problem with an older kernel |
| 02:53.13 | Shirik | how can I determine the exit code of a process? |
| 02:53.16 | Shirik | from bash |
| 02:53.59 | Arrowmaster | it returns it |
| 02:54.13 | Shirik | I want to SEE it |
| 02:54.17 | Wimpsy` | Eugh, after talking 3 months or so off from coding in LUA, my skeelz are rusty. :( |
| 02:54.19 | krka | Wimpsy`: Lua is actually a portuguese word and it means "moon" ^_^ |
| 02:54.21 | Shirik | like I type something into bahs |
| 02:54.25 | Shirik | I want to see the return value |
| 02:54.41 | cog|away | Anyone want free LOTRO time? The Mrs. and I are looking to start up trial accounts. ;) http://www.lotro.com/news/442-refer-a-friend-and-earn-free-game-time. |
| 03:14.01 | Torhal | Shirik: Use GDB? |
| 03:14.34 | Torhal | Meh, nevermind if you're using something that isn't compiled. |
| 03:14.45 | Shirik | like a shell script :) |
| 03:14.47 | Shirik | which I am |
| 03:16.00 | Shirik | holy shit! |
| 03:16.06 | Shirik | Since when does SVN support changelist separation |
| 03:16.09 | Shirik | that is epic |
| 03:17.57 | Arrowmaster | since 1.5 |
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| 03:18.25 | Arrowmaster | its just a cheap imitation of the functionality of git's index |
| 03:19.09 | vithos | Shirik: i think you can configure your shell prompts to print it somehow, but it's been a while since i messed with that |
| 03:19.31 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: To believe that git did it first is ludicrous |
| 03:19.37 | Shirik | Perforce has the same feature |
| 03:19.44 | Shirik | In fact, it's one of the primary reasons I've liked Perforce over SVN |
| 03:22.56 | Shirik | oh well I fixed it |
| 03:23.02 | Shirik | no need for the exit code now |
| 03:24.34 | NightHawkTheSane | o_0 http://idiom.ucsd.edu/~bakovic/play/ll/xp-users.png |
| 03:25.17 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: http://linuxcommando.blogspot.com/2008/03/how-to-check-exit-status-code.html |
| 03:26.37 | alestane | By Sargeras, the amount of animosity and outrage over /castrandom... |
| 03:27.05 | Shirik | so I just stick a ? at the end, Arrowmaster? |
| 03:27.12 | Shirik | oh |
| 03:27.16 | Shirik | echo $? |
| 03:27.20 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: yes |
| 03:27.48 | Shirik | so $? is where the exit code is stored |
| 03:27.49 | Shirik | awesome |
| 03:28.37 | NightHawkTheSane | man, if thats all you wanted, i could have told you that 10 minutes ago (ignoring the fact that i only started paying attention 4 minutes ago) |
| 03:29.44 | Arrowmaster | heh the bash man page doesnt contain "$?" anywhere |
| 03:30.13 | Arrowmaster | but its mentioned in the "Special Parameter" section |
| 03:32.05 | Wimpsy` | "Final Fantasy VII Advent Children", time to watch another movie based on a video game doomed to fail. :( |
| 03:32.16 | Arrowmaster | dont watch it |
| 03:32.21 | Wimpsy` | I have to. |
| 03:32.26 | Arrowmaster | go get the bluray version instead |
| 03:32.46 | Wimpsy` | is a huge Final Fantasy fan. |
| 03:32.54 | Wimpsy` | Why's that Arrowmaster? |
| 03:33.00 | Arrowmaster | its like 20-30 minutes longer |
| 03:33.06 | Wimpsy` | Really? D: |
| 03:33.08 | Wimpsy` | Hmm. |
| 03:33.23 | Wimpsy` | What's the extra story then? |
| 03:33.42 | Arrowmaster | and the added parts apparently make it actually make sense to people that dont know the ff7 story |
| 03:33.48 | wsoul | Are all EU realms down? |
| 03:33.57 | Wimpsy` | I think so wsoul. |
| 03:34.08 | wsoul | Arrowmaster: what's the FF7 story?! |
| 03:34.13 | Arrowmaster | Wimpsy`: i havent actually seen the bluray version, i just know its suppost to be a lot better |
| 03:34.17 | Wimpsy` | Arrowmaster: I see, I might try to find it but I can't be arsed right now. |
| 03:34.20 | Wimpsy` | Ah alright. |
| 03:34.23 | wsoul | Wimpsy`: and ppl complain about xbox live, i should praise it from now on |
| 03:34.25 | mikma | is there a way i can sort a lua table that has entiries like: [12345] = { class = "WARRIOR, level = 66 }, .. i wanna sort it by the class |
| 03:34.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Arrowmaster: a) o'rly? hm, i might have to download a rip. b) who doesnt know the ff7 story, srsly? :P |
| 03:34.29 | Wimpsy` | But as for now I just need a filler. |
| 03:34.43 | Wimpsy` | Indeed NightHawkTheSane. |
| 03:35.00 | Wimpsy` | You've got to know the ff7 story. ;) |
| 03:35.16 | wsoul | :( |
| 03:35.20 | wsoul | What's FF7 |
| 03:35.24 | Wimpsy` | :( |
| 03:35.28 | wsoul | i learnt ffs from WoW |
| 03:35.38 | Wimpsy` | loses his faith in mankind. |
| 03:35.43 | wsoul | haha |
| 03:36.01 | wsoul | lots of players take the game so seriously |
| 03:36.07 | Wimpsy` | Google "FF7" if you don't know what it is. |
| 03:36.12 | Wimpsy` | I swear you do, however. |
| 03:36.17 | Cloudwolf | final fantasy 7 |
| 03:36.19 | wsoul | "If i don't get that item i'll loose my kidney to a poor man" |
| 03:36.26 | Cloudwolf | >.> and ive never even played a ff game in my life |
| 03:36.32 | wsoul | nor i |
| 03:36.37 | wsoul | never got into that game |
| 03:36.39 | Wimpsy` | Final Fantasy is the game of games. It's so freaking awesome. |
| 03:36.42 | wsoul | FPS games before WoW |
| 03:36.47 | wsoul | hehe |
| 03:37.07 | wsoul | I like pinguin adventure however, not sure if anyone have played that game |
| 03:37.16 | wsoul | in here that is |
| 03:37.32 | Wimpsy` | I think I started playing Final Fantasy 7 when I was like, 7-8 years old. |
| 03:38.00 | Wimpsy` | For an 8 year old Swedish boy, an English game is pretty tricky to play. |
| 03:38.03 | wsoul | so you missed the atari days |
| 03:38.08 | Wimpsy` | Yep. :p |
| 03:38.15 | wsoul | poor you :P |
| 03:38.16 | Wimpsy` | Mind you, I'm born -93. :) |
| 03:38.25 | wsoul | shrugs |
| 03:38.34 | Wimpsy` | :p |
| 03:38.52 | wsoul | by the way, any changes for Dk tanking gear/talents |
| 03:39.04 | Wimpsy` | In 3.2? |
| 03:39.07 | wsoul | yeah |
| 03:39.20 | Wimpsy` | It's all on MMO-Champion for you to check yourself. ;) |
| 03:39.44 | wsoul | i did, i just noticed the hp went down a bit from 31k to 29k |
| 03:39.58 | Wimpsy` | That's from an overall change I think. |
| 03:40.01 | wsoul | had to adjust gems/cloak etc |
| 03:40.14 | wsoul | yeah, toughness -5 for instance |
| 03:40.17 | wsoul | used to be 15 now 10 |
| 03:40.30 | Wimpsy` | Ah. |
| 03:40.51 | wsoul | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Kazzak&cn=Aammaa&gn=Terranigma |
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| 03:41.15 | Wimpsy` | Cheers wsoul, I'll have a look. :) |
| 03:41.20 | wsoul | =) |
| 03:42.01 | Wimpsy` | I *think* there was some overall change to all classes regarding stamina but I'm not entirely sure, hang on. |
| 03:42.30 | wsoul | i lack good gear and good guild too |
| 03:42.48 | Wimpsy` | Your gear isn't too shabby. |
| 03:43.13 | wsoul | you should get on kazzak and see the requirements to do Vh hc |
| 03:43.25 | wsoul | "Stats" and the none stop whining |
| 03:43.41 | Wimpsy` | Haha. |
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| 03:44.10 | Wimpsy` | Quite frankly, It shouldn't be too hard for you to get into a good guild. |
| 03:44.10 | wsoul | i'm waiting the day that i can migrate my char from horde to alliance |
| 03:44.18 | wsoul | if i wasn't too lazy i'd start one and play with friends and their wives |
| 03:44.32 | Wimpsy` | Your gear is rather good IMO and quite frankly, a good guild building up isn't going to look at your gear but rather your enchants and gems to see that you're a dedicated player. |
| 03:44.39 | wsoul | all adults all play for fun, something a lot don't want to do just that |
| 03:44.51 | Wimpsy` | True. |
| 03:45.18 | wsoul | one reason why we did quit most fps games |
| 03:45.37 | Wimpsy` | "Frost Presence: 10% bonus health reduced to 6% bonus stamina." |
| 03:45.44 | wsoul | good group, get more players = more trouble and once the game ends he/she/it starts trask talking to others |
| 03:45.49 | wsoul | yeah |
| 03:45.53 | wsoul | plus toughness |
| 03:45.53 | NightHawkTheSane | (i'm surprised it took them this long to nerf health -> sta) |
| 03:45.58 | Wimpsy` | Could that be it? |
| 03:46.02 | wsoul | yeah |
| 03:46.11 | Wimpsy` | Probably is then. |
| 03:46.24 | wsoul | NightHawkTheSane: on /1 channel all says the same "dks tanking are gone" |
| 03:46.37 | wsoul | the funny part one of the good guilds have dks tanks |
| 03:46.39 | wsoul | ensidia |
| 03:46.42 | NightHawkTheSane | people who talk in /1 are idiots |
| 03:46.47 | wsoul | haha |
| 03:46.52 | wsoul | I cannot argue you there |
| 03:47.45 | alestane | I would revise that slightly: Most things said in /1 are stupid. |
| 03:47.54 | wsoul | I wish i had the possibility to play on US realms |
| 03:48.01 | wsoul | have lots of american friends who plays WoW |
| 03:48.16 | Cloudwolf | chat /2 is just as stupid most of the time |
| 03:48.17 | wsoul | alestane: that too |
| 03:48.35 | wsoul | i don't mind /2 for selling items actually |
| 03:48.40 | Cloudwolf | they need to do this /1= general /2 = trade /3=local defence /4= global chat |
| 03:48.41 | wsoul | bought my bracers from that |
| 03:49.02 | Cloudwolf | cus trade chat gets used for global chat WAY to much |
| 03:49.07 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: if we're going to go that route, really most things said in non-private channels in wow are stupid ;) |
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| 03:49.51 | wsoul | the only wish ihave to migrate my char now |
| 03:49.55 | wsoul | horde to alliance |
| 03:50.22 | Wimpsy` | The change is coming after all. |
| 03:50.23 | wsoul | raid once or twice a week |
| 03:50.28 | wsoul | hopefully soon |
| 03:50.32 | Wimpsy` | Yep. |
| 03:50.38 | wsoul | thing is, i've got gold to burn on my main |
| 03:50.42 | Wimpsy` | What I'm waiting for right now is my motivation to level my alts. |
| 03:50.54 | wsoul | and good items the jewel fishing pole and the skull one :P |
| 03:51.04 | wsoul | have one main dk 80 |
| 03:51.15 | wsoul | my alt is at lvl 26 priest shadow |
| 03:51.30 | Dagmar | How the hell did you manage that? |
| 03:51.38 | wsoul | manage what? |
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| 03:51.49 | Dagmar | Wait, nevermind, there's probably an "old main" you're not mentioning |
| 03:51.51 | wsoul | i have a paladin lvl 55 just for the dk |
| 03:51.56 | Dagmar | Ah okay |
| 03:52.19 | wsoul | don't like paladins, just their buffs :P |
| 03:52.44 | Dagmar | I like attack power. |
| 03:52.44 | wsoul | didn't like the game when it came out, was way much into fps games |
| 03:52.46 | Dagmar | I'm easy that way. |
| 03:52.49 | Dagmar | <-- BM |
| 03:53.54 | wsoul | 3 classes i like the most, dk, priest and rogue |
| 03:54.09 | Dagmar | So, now that Wintergrasp is fly-overable but flags you PvP, when you're near the portal in Sholazar Basin and you see someone flagged, do you a) ignore them, b) attack them without hesitation, or c) size things up first |
| 03:54.39 | wsoul | never attacked the other faction |
| 03:54.42 | Dagmar | I'm thinking there might be something wrong with the brains of some of the people on my server. |
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| 03:54.53 | wsoul | what server |
| 03:54.56 | wsoul | kazzak? |
| 03:54.56 | Dagmar | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:55.00 | wsoul | oh ok |
| 03:55.08 | wsoul | i want to migrate to silvermoon |
| 03:55.09 | mikma | skywalker? |
| 03:55.14 | wsoul | when it is possible |
| 03:55.20 | Dagmar | It's not all of them, but the people I've run into (pronounced "kih-ld") in the last two nights |
| 03:55.54 | wsoul | Dagmar: if you play on eu realms please drop by kazzak for a day or two.... you'll laugh your ass off |
| 03:56.15 | Dagmar | Last night I flew over there to do the orphan thing, passed over Wintergrasp, flew around aimlessly a bit in Sholazar until I remembered where the portal was, flew over there, and literally the moment I put down, some idiot retadin attacks me |
| 03:56.17 | wsoul | watch the /1 lfg vh hc and ask for an invite and see the mighty question |
| 03:56.20 | wsoul | wait rather |
| 03:56.21 | Dagmar | I am not survivalist specced. |
| 03:56.44 | Dagmar | I'm BM specced, which as far as I know means you kill the pet first |
| 03:57.16 | Dagmar | Either way, I did the usual, faked him out, let him kill the pet and burn up all his nice cooldowns, and then insta-ressed the pet and had it eat his face. |
| 03:57.42 | Dagmar | About two hours later I'm doing the same thing as before, trailing behind my girlfriend who plays a mage, we're both flagged again, some rogue tries to jump her. |
| 03:57.51 | wsoul | i do /laugh when they attack =) |
| 03:58.15 | Dagmar | I'm thinking possibly the people on PvE servers who fancy themselves PvP largely don't think things through much |
| 03:58.23 | Dagmar | I might not have been alone the first time |
| 03:58.30 | Dagmar | My gf definitely wasn't alone. |
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| 03:58.40 | Dagmar | That rogue went down so fast it was sad |
| 03:58.49 | Dagmar | Yay for pet STUNS on ROGUES |
| 03:59.22 | Dagmar | I like the free damage from double-trapping now, although it seems not so useful in instances |
| 03:59.37 | Dagmar | Having to run right up and drop two traps under the mob isn't my idea of strategic manovering |
| 04:00.21 | Adys | http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/post/156399936 |
| 04:00.26 | Dagmar | Surely these people by the time they reach 80 must know that they show up on my minimap |
| 04:01.37 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: really, there's only one thing dumber than a player on a pvp realm. and that's a player on a pve realm who thinks he can pvp. |
| 04:02.09 | Dagmar | Well, I'm not saying the people on the PvP realms are any brighter about it, but at least they're more circumspect about jumping on someone without checking things out first |
| 04:02.50 | Dagmar | god knows the trade chat I see on Detheroc makes me want to go fully pro-abortion |
| 04:03.11 | Dagmar | Surely you can only ask for a battle res on hitler to he can finish off the jews (that's practically quoted) only so many times before the banstick leaves a smoking crater where you were just standing |
| 04:03.45 | Wimpsy` | Haha. |
| 04:03.52 | Dagmar | If you said half the stuff I've been seeing there on Skywall, you could put your ear to the window and *hear* all those people right-clicking Report Spam |
| 04:05.20 | Dagmar | I wish it were possible to simply dump the chat logs to people's parents |
| 04:05.49 | Ycarene | What other automatic addon update software is out there? |
| 04:05.55 | Dagmar | Like, "Hi there Ms. Mitchell... This is the report of what your precious little snowflake Timmy has been discussing with his fellow players this week" |
| 04:05.58 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: man, that would be epic |
| 04:06.06 | Dagmar | It should be a damn feature |
| 04:06.31 | Dagmar | The world needs more child abuse |
| 04:06.34 | Dagmar | That's all I'm sayin' |
| 04:07.32 | NightHawkTheSane | no.. that'd still miss most of the idiots |
| 04:07.38 | Antiarc | CLEU reporting all spell casts as crits - bug or parameter change? |
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| 04:09.12 | Dagmar | I would *hope* parameter change |
| 04:09.21 | Dagmar | I know some of the stuff got changed this patch |
| 04:09.48 | Antiarc | How do I turn on the built-in devtools now? |
| 04:09.49 | Dagmar | Actually, I would *hope* it was completely and totally accurate |
| 04:09.57 | Hirsute | Heh |
| 04:10.21 | Squeese | Im trying to create a frame wich's positions is saved by the used, by using: Frame:SetUserPlaced(true), and a comment on wowwiki says: Named frames created by CreateFrame must be created when the UI finish loading, for their position to be restored. With acelib, is that Addon:OnEnable() or do I need to add another event to create the frame in? |
| 04:10.51 | Squeese | er, some errors there.. but I hope I got my Q accross :P |
| 04:10.53 | Hirsute | Hey, they managed to screw up their own message() this time around. Yay for ninja-changes that create bugs. |
| 04:11.00 | Dagmar | Yep |
| 04:11.34 | Ycarene | I'm having some trouble finding wowinterfaces updater |
| 04:12.49 | Hirsute | http://minion.mmoui.com/ |
| 04:13.01 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.flickr.com/photos/powerpig/3504187301/in/photostream/ |
| 04:13.52 | Hirsute | Yay! Just got my google voice invite. |
| 04:14.21 | Dagmar | ha-a-a-a-te you |
| 04:14.38 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not really entranced with google voice |
| 04:14.45 | Shirik | Dagmar: have you turned into Fisker? |
| 04:14.53 | Dagmar | I mainly just wanna play with it for a bit |
| 04:14.57 | Dagmar | I already have a cell phone |
| 04:15.12 | Dagmar | I'd just like to see what magnificent thing Google has done with this |
| 04:15.33 | Hirsute | NightHawkTheSane: I'm, more than anything, just interested in playing with it for a bit. Between my cell phone (which won't work in the hospital), pager and home phone, it could actually be useful to me. |
| 04:15.43 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i think it might be pretty cool, but i cant really see a use case for me |
| 04:15.54 | Dagmar | OKay so maybe I want a phone number with a tasteless acronym in it |
| 04:15.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Hirsute: see, i ONLY have a cell phone. |
| 04:16.07 | Adys | google is going to steal your voice |
| 04:16.10 | Adys | then your body |
| 04:16.13 | Adys | then your mind |
| 04:16.14 | Adys | then your soul |
| 04:16.26 | Hirsute | Meh. They can have the first two, won't want the second two. |
| 04:16.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Dagmar: hah, okay, thats a fair point. ;) One of my friends in college had the phone number of xxx-EVIL (i forget what the prefix was) |
| 04:17.00 | Adys | then they'll mix all of it together, giftwrap it in a red/yellow/blue/green package, open source it and release it under BSD |
| 04:17.26 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane: Okay that would win |
| 04:17.28 | Hirsute | *no one* wants my body "open sourced" |
| 04:17.43 | Dagmar | I know two of my coworkers have it and we're somewhat amused that it can and will ring *all* your phones at once |
| 04:17.52 | Hirsute | I'm still loving the dalaran AH for my engineer. |
| 04:18.11 | NightHawkTheSane | all at once? thats.. weird |
| 04:18.22 | Dagmar | I'm going to be spending a lot of time in ToC heroic for those extra seals |
| 04:18.30 | Dagmar | Iv'e got like 110 of the thing to go before I can get the pony |
| 04:18.31 | NightHawkTheSane | would be hella creepy if you had like 2 cells and a home phone linked, and all three rang at once |
| 04:18.37 | Dagmar | It is |
| 04:18.52 | Adys | why? |
| 04:19.00 | Adys | I got a phone upstairs, a phone in the living room |
| 04:19.07 | Adys | I'm not creeped out when they both ring together |
| 04:19.10 | Adys | they're on the same line |
| 04:19.30 | Wobin | it would be creepy, if they alternated rings |
| 04:19.40 | NightHawkTheSane | well, presumably you'd have all three in relative close proximity. you dont keep three phones on the same line in the same room normally. |
| 04:19.42 | Adys | they're on different ringtones too |
| 04:19.51 | Adys | yeah |
| 04:19.56 | Adys | thats the entire point of google voice |
| 04:20.06 | Adys | abstract the lines and just use your phones as... phones |
| 04:20.20 | Adys | you aren't going to keep them in the same room. |
| 04:20.42 | Adys | I'd be more creeped out by someone who keeps his phones in the same room, than by 3 phones ringing at the same time |
| 04:20.59 | Dagmar | I thought the point was to have strangers transcribe your voicemail so it can be emailed to you |
| 04:21.00 | NightHawkTheSane | if 2 are cells, it wouldn't be terribly uncommon |
| 04:21.21 | Antiarc | Okay |
| 04:21.25 | Antiarc | The crit thing is a parameter change |
| 04:21.28 | Dagmar | I made fun of the last BellSouth salesman that came to my door |
| 04:21.49 | Dagmar | "Your technology is based on copper wires?! LOL! *slam!*" |
| 04:23.05 | Adys | you said "LOL" to a salesman? |
| 04:24.46 | tem | Dagmar, the transcriptions are speach recognition imo |
| 04:27.31 | Dagmar | Adys: Actually I just laughed so hard I almost cried |
| 04:27.56 | Dagmar | Foolishly, he showed weakness and confusion when I asked him about the copper wires |
| 04:28.17 | Dagmar | I also laugh at those insurance commercials where they rip off the little kids. |
| 04:28.41 | tem | I don't |
| 04:28.55 | Dagmar | I neither know nor care anymore who they're advertising for, but the look of hurt on that little boy's face when he finds out he can't have the shiny red truck... Delicious |
| 04:28.57 | tem | insurance companies are evil |
| 04:29.00 | tem | truely evil |
| 04:29.31 | tem | and it terrifies me that my mother's LIFE is dependent on them not fucking us over |
| 04:29.59 | tem | (she was diagnosed with "mild" breast cancer 2 days ago) |
| 04:31.27 | Dagmar | Could be worse |
| 04:31.41 | tem | it certainly could |
| 04:32.13 | Dagmar | Unless they go for aggressive chemo (doubtful) probably the worst thing is going to be watching all the paperwork dance around. |
| 04:32.30 | tem | but saying "Hey, this could be shit" when you're standing in a puddle of piss isn't an excuse to not want to do something about the puddle |
| 04:32.31 | Dagmar | I spent an afternoon in the emergency room over some fainting/dehydration at the end of May. |
| 04:32.38 | Dagmar | I'm STILL waiting for the paperwork to settle. |
| 04:33.04 | tem | heh |
| 04:33.11 | Dagmar | I have no problems paying the bill. |
| 04:33.21 | Dagmar | I do, however, need a fixed number to pay. |
| 04:33.35 | tem | well, I'm pretty certain that we'd be in deep shit if the insurance dropped either of us |
| 04:33.40 | Dagmar | I keep getting a slightly different number mailed to me each week. Sometimes higher, sometimes lower. |
| 04:34.15 | tem | they're still trying to figure out what's up with me |
| 04:34.23 | tem | I had two MRIs yesterday |
| 04:34.33 | tem | the bill came today... $6500 |
| 04:34.39 | tem | I shit myself |
| 04:34.50 | Dagmar | That's before the insurance kicks in I'll bet |
| 04:34.58 | tem | oh yeah |
| 04:35.11 | tem | that's before the insurance gets their kickback discount |
| 04:35.13 | Dagmar | We have killer insurance here, thankfully. |
| 04:35.26 | Dagmar | THey made one of my coworkers go to the emergency room last fall. |
| 04:35.38 | Dagmar | He's older, and he'd passed out, so they did an MRI on him |
| 04:35.43 | tem | we've paid out the deductable now so I think we're to 80/20 now |
| 04:35.46 | Dagmar | The initial bill was over twice that |
| 04:35.56 | tem | wow yeah |
| 04:36.05 | Dagmar | With all the copay and stuff it shrank down to about $200 |
| 04:36.16 | Dagmar | ...which all went away since it was an on-the-job thing |
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| 04:36.32 | tem | nice |
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| 04:36.57 | Dagmar | Yeah, I'm glad considering that he's basically being gamed to death over some old student loans |
| 04:37.18 | tem | *sigh* another institution that's broken |
| 04:37.24 | Dagmar | Interest is supposed to stop at a certain point, but what they do is trade that debt to otehr companies and tack on a "fee" at each turn |
| 04:37.44 | Adys | oh ffs |
| 04:37.46 | Adys | pulse broke |
| 04:37.46 | Dagmar | At this point they've screwed up because it's well into the range where he's going to just sue someone |
| 04:37.50 | Adys | fucking unreliable piece of shit |
| 04:37.52 | Dagmar | Pulse audio? |
| 04:38.09 | Dagmar | Noo! It can't be! |
| 04:38.12 | Dagmar | It's perfect! |
| 04:38.39 | Dagmar | Oh wait, nevermind it just looks better because it doesn't have ALSAs festering crapstack of 'documentation' |
| 04:38.59 | Adys | its the only sound server that supports something as basic as usb headphones |
| 04:39.10 | Dagmar | Umm... No? |
| 04:39.13 | Adys | yes |
| 04:39.14 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, the chance that he can actually be held responsible for those fees is probably pretty low. unless he signed a truly horrible loan contract |
| 04:39.19 | Adys | I wouldnt be using it otherwise |
| 04:39.23 | ZorbaTHut | people can bill you for whatever they want, it doesn't mean you have to pay |
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| 04:39.40 | Dagmar | Adya: Actually my headphones work fine with ALSA |
| 04:39.47 | Dagmar | They just don't hotplug for crap |
| 04:39.48 | Adys | model? |
| 04:39.58 | Dagmar | Logeitch "Premium" Notebook USB Headset |
| 04:40.00 | Adys | i havent unplugged mine in a few months |
| 04:40.13 | Adys | got a creative 1k something |
| 04:40.25 | Dagmar | That *might* be the issue |
| 04:40.34 | Dagmar | Creative's support of Linux has been very dodgy |
| 04:40.52 | Adys | lets see |
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| 04:40.59 | Adys | will just try remove pulse i guess |
| 04:40.59 | Adys | again |
| 04:41.00 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.17 | tem | I wish more vendors would support linux out of hte box |
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| 04:41.53 | Dagmar | Lord knows if they give us drivers we'll write the apps for them ourselves |
| 04:41.57 | Dagmar | You'd think it would be win-win |
| 04:42.10 | Dagmar | Heck we'll write teh drivers if they just give us spec sheets |
| 04:42.43 | Adys | in the sound settings I got ALSA output or USB Headset output |
| 04:42.49 | Adys | which one you got selected? |
| 04:43.07 | Dagmar | Oi is this the Fatality-1000? |
| 04:43.09 | Shirik | How the hell is AOL still alive? |
| 04:43.20 | Adys | I dont remember the name |
| 04:43.22 | Dagmar | Shirik: Old people are slow to change |
| 04:43.23 | tem | EW, fatality crap |
| 04:43.26 | Adys | i think its something950 |
| 04:43.40 | tem | do not under any circumstances buy anything with his name on it |
| 04:43.52 | Dagmar | I was just poking around and saw that the Fatality one needs a firmware update to work properly in *any* OS |
| 04:43.57 | Adys | HS950 |
| 04:44.03 | Adys | all their headsets yes |
| 04:44.14 | Adys | they fuck out after a few hours of usage on 44100Hz |
| 04:44.35 | DWSR | Dagmar: Yeah, it would be really nice if they released the spec sheets at the very least. |
| 04:44.45 | Dagmar | Oh wow sheer luck |
| 04:44.45 | DWSR | It would stop such faffery as ndiswrapper. |
| 04:44.45 | Dagmar | http://www.techsupportforum.com/hardware-support/other-hardware-support/363838-strange-distortions-creative-usb-headset.html |
| 04:44.46 | Adys | know what fuck this I'm getting no sound with alsa either |
| 04:44.51 | Dagmar | Look for a firmware update for hte thing |
| 04:44.53 | Adys | ya i know this |
| 04:45.02 | Shirik | alsa ftw |
| 04:45.05 | Adys | the firmware installer is an exe |
| 04:45.06 | DWSR | Pft. |
| 04:45.09 | DWSR | Adys: Wine |
| 04:45.10 | Dagmar | The second guy reports he had the same problem with the 950 as the 1000 in both |
| 04:45.12 | Adys | i got it half-fixed under wine but WHAT THE FUCK |
| 04:45.19 | Shirik | how do you half-fix it |
| 04:45.23 | tem | DWSR, I still need ndiswrapper to make my laptop's wireless work |
| 04:45.26 | DWSR | Shirik: Pulse, kthx. |
| 04:45.26 | Adys | it was crashing on exit |
| 04:45.28 | Shirik | you hear sound only in one ear? |
| 04:45.29 | DWSR | tem: Yeah, I know. |
| 04:45.33 | Adys | but the firmware doesnt install |
| 04:45.38 | DWSR | tem: I do as well, if I make this laptop linux. |
| 04:45.39 | tem | that makes me really sad |
| 04:45.41 | Dagmar | Shirik: You let it write half the flash image and then kill -9 it. ;) |
| 04:45.50 | Adys | also er Dagmar |
| 04:45.51 | DWSR | tem: Yeah, but it's better than nothing at all, I suppose. |
| 04:45.56 | Adys | look at who actually answered this |
| 04:45.57 | tem | definitely true |
| 04:45.58 | Shirik | If you are listening to middle A (440) |
| 04:46.02 | Dagmar | Oh AHHA |
| 04:46.05 | Dagmar | lol |
| 04:46.08 | Shirik | then what is half of that |
| 04:46.12 | Shirik | A 220? |
| 04:46.14 | Dagmar | Well, I can see I'm incredibly useful tonight |
| 04:47.00 | Dagmar | Well, the logitech one I have was nice anc cheap at least, even though it had "premium" in the name |
| 04:47.05 | Shirik | Fisker wishes he was Dagmar |
| 04:47.49 | Dagmar | ABout all I can suggest then is to find someone with a Windows laptop and ask if you can run something shifty on it |
| 04:48.11 | Dagmar | Offer them a candy bar--that'll get people's passwords so a firmware update should be a bargain |
| 04:48.41 | Shirik | my kingdom for a candy bar? |
| 04:48.41 | Adys | that's not a bad idea actually |
| 04:48.53 | Adys | either way |
| 04:48.53 | Adys | thats not the problem |
| 04:49.01 | Adys | switching to 48000Hz works around it fine |
| 04:49.14 | Adys | problem isnt sound distortion |
| 04:49.14 | Shirik | what's the problem then? |
| 04:49.17 | Adys | problem is total lack of sound |
| 04:49.25 | Adys | because pulse sucks cocks |
| 04:49.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I like the idea behind pulse and network-manager |
| 04:49.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I hate them both in practice |
| 04:49.48 | Dagmar | Shirik: One of the more amusing tidbits I've seen in the last year was a vulnerability assessment report where presenters went into an office and got people to give up their *actual* passwords for the price of a candy bar |
| 04:49.52 | Shirik | there is nothing to lose at 48000Hz over 41000Hz, assuming your hardware is from this century |
| 04:50.15 | Shirik | ... wtf |
| 04:50.20 | Shirik | why |
| 04:50.28 | Adys | ? |
| 04:50.34 | Dagmar | Mental retardation and a completely emasculated IT security team |
| 04:50.58 | Dagmar | People almost never get fired for violating company policies unless they were simultaneously downloading both child pornography and bestiality flicks |
| 04:51.06 | Shirik | I think we would get in serious trouble with the government if we did that |
| 04:51.27 | Dagmar | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3639679.stm |
| 04:51.59 | Dagmar | I know when I was working for DT&T at one point someone came around and told us the order had come down that we all needed to turn our passwords over to our supervisors. |
| 04:52.02 | Adys | okay so |
| 04:52.04 | Adys | for the record |
| 04:52.09 | Dagmar | This isn't something you say to the people doing your internal security. |
| 04:52.22 | Dagmar | We had that little project murdered outright before lunch. |
| 04:52.33 | Adys | http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=18385 |
| 04:52.45 | Adys | I got a heart attack when I started chromium |
| 04:52.55 | Dagmar | I gave thge lady my password just to be nice |
| 04:52.59 | Shirik | that is depressing, Dagmar |
| 04:53.07 | Dagmar | Then I changed it, and told my boss I changed it. |
| 04:53.19 | Dagmar | Then we went head hunting for whose retarded idea that was |
| 04:53.25 | Shirik | anyway |
| 04:53.37 | Shirik | My entire department is domain administrators |
| 04:53.46 | Shirik | IT can enforce whatever the hell they want |
| 04:53.55 | Dagmar | Yay for AD creep! |
| 04:54.02 | Shirik | but we get to stomp on them if we want |
| 04:54.14 | Shirik | They installed this shit called "landesk" on my computer |
| 04:54.21 | Dagmar | The larger the Active Directory setup, the closer the chances that you could actually be an administrator approach 1. |
| 04:54.29 | Shirik | I uninstalled it after it started saying some MP3 files were viruses |
| 04:55.04 | A-KO | good ole AD |
| 04:55.07 | Dagmar | That's an awesome bug report |
| 04:55.19 | Shirik | No, it's just our IT department makes stupid, sweeping decisions to the point where we'veconvinced management that we're smarter than them |
| 04:55.31 | Shirik | They have taken down our simulation systems for weeks in the past |
| 04:55.39 | Shirik | because they thought it needed a firewall |
| 04:55.49 | Shirik | And it's NOT EVEN CONNECTED TO A NETWORK |
| 04:56.02 | Dagmar | Have some fun with it |
| 04:56.14 | Dagmar | Find some oldster who still has all the viruses they've collected. |
| 04:56.17 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: wtb screenie of that :P |
| 04:56.18 | Dagmar | Put them on a removable drive. |
| 04:56.28 | Dagmar | Plug it into your desktop. Wait for the virus scanner to get going. |
| 04:56.29 | Adys | click the bug report |
| 04:56.29 | Adys | :P |
| 04:56.29 | Adys | http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/7919/screenshot9.png |
| 04:56.35 | Dagmar | hilarity WILL ensue |
| 04:56.38 | Shirik | Oh, here's my favorite part of that virus scanner |
| 04:56.44 | Shirik | All of our systems are 8-core machines |
| 04:56.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: oh, bah, make me actually read DOWN? :P |
| 04:56.56 | Shirik | With a little under 4GB of RAM |
| 04:57.02 | Shirik | Probably 4GB but Win XP is stupid |
| 04:57.07 | Adys | its all the way up |
| 04:57.09 | Adys | in the original post |
| 04:57.11 | Shirik | well anyway |
| 04:57.16 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: landesk is headquartered in my city, actually, about a 4 minute drive |
| 04:57.17 | A-KO | For the most part IT departments are limited by management :P Either management doesn't want ot pay the $ for people who know what they're doing, or management doesn't want IT to enforce proper security/systems policies because Jackie over in Accounting can't play Mahjong while working :P |
| 04:57.21 | Dagmar | When the administrators get about 14,000 virus warnings all at once, watch and see if they even noticed they all came from one user |
| 04:57.25 | Shirik | Every one of the processes of landesk takes about 150KB of memory |
| 04:57.33 | Shirik | That's not a big deal, right? |
| 04:57.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: further down than the actual bug report.. by.. like six lines. shut up. ;) |
| 04:57.43 | Shirik | Except that landesk decides that it needs to make a new process for every core on your computer |
| 04:57.51 | Shirik | and then another one to manage the 8 processes |
| 04:57.52 | Shirik | so |
| 04:57.58 | Shirik | lua> 9 * 150 * |
| 04:57.59 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: unexpected symbol near '9' |
| 04:58.01 | Shirik | lua> 9 * 150 |
| 04:58.01 | lua_bot | Shirik: 1350 |
| 04:58.07 | Shirik | 1.3 GB of memory |
| 04:58.11 | Shirik | for a fricking virus scanner |
| 04:58.46 | Dagmar | All the more reason to "performance test" it |
| 04:59.02 | Dagmar | I know we made our vendor modify their server-side stuff a bit for that |
| 04:59.14 | Shirik | It's ok, I found a really neat option |
| 04:59.15 | Dagmar | ...because I showed it about 12,000 viruses |
| 04:59.21 | Dagmar | It freaked. |
| 04:59.24 | A-KO | lol |
| 04:59.39 | Shirik | mr. virus scanner has an option in the registry to disable it, effectively |
| 04:59.44 | Dagmar | Sweet! |
| 04:59.44 | Shirik | turn that on |
| 04:59.45 | Shirik | all done |
| 05:00.09 | Shirik | You can set which cores it will run on by changing the registry, up to and including none of them |
| 05:00.15 | Dagmar | Turns out that the scanner had an upper limit on the number of detections on one machine |
| 05:00.21 | Shirik | rofl! |
| 05:00.25 | Shirik | what the hell |
| 05:00.34 | Dagmar | 'czu you know, it's not every day someone appears to have caught twelve-thousand viruses all at once |
| 05:00.39 | A-KO | ha |
| 05:00.39 | Adys | ALSA lib ../../../src/pcm/pcm.c:2171:(snd_pcm_open_conf) Cannot open shared library /usr/lib32/alsa-lib/libasound_module_pcm_pulse.so |
| 05:00.40 | A-KO | bullshit |
| 05:01.04 | Shirik | how the hell did you find 12 thousand viruses |
| 05:01.06 | Dagmar | A-KO: I used to do field repair for gov't offices |
| 05:01.12 | Dagmar | I also traded them online. |
| 05:01.21 | Dagmar | I had a pretty massive and obsessive collection. |
| 05:01.28 | A-KO | Shirik: if you want ot know a resource hogging application, look at Rightnow CRM. Last time I used it (about 2 years ago) it required Java RE, .NET Framework, Administrative access to the machine, and 1GB of ram--to run a crm |
| 05:01.45 | A-KO | nice Dagmar I used to have one when I was like 14...all non-compiled .asm files on a floppy disk :P |
| 05:01.49 | Shirik | But what is that, A-KO? |
| 05:01.53 | Shirik | CRM? |
| 05:02.01 | A-KO | Shirik: a web-based helpdesk ticketing system |
| 05:02.07 | Dagmar | A-KO: Every sincle one of them that I could convince to compile, I kept a binary of with the source |
| 05:02.10 | Shirik | ok, but at least that's something that's a foreground process |
| 05:02.13 | A-KO | nice Dagmar |
| 05:02.19 | Shirik | I'm talking about a BACKGROUND PROCESS That's taking 1.3GB of memory |
| 05:02.25 | Shirik | How can you justify that in your head |
| 05:02.35 | A-KO | oh, you should see the new Windows 7 chkdsk |
| 05:02.38 | Dagmar | Goldbug was my favorite, just because McAffee was so determined to deny that polymorphic viruses could possibly exist |
| 05:02.45 | Arrowmaster | fuck i have to start this install all over again |
| 05:02.55 | A-KO | it was a design decision to make chkdsk X: /r take up to MAXRAM - 50 in ram to do a surface scan of your HD |
| 05:03.05 | Dagmar | Shirik: The first professor I had in the college I quit told us "Program as if memory and CPU were infinite" |
| 05:03.10 | Shirik | class Foo { virtual ~Foo() { } }; class MyVirus : public Foo { }; |
| 05:03.12 | ScytheBlade1 | wonders if win7 will be on technet in 2 hours or some time tomorrow afternoon |
| 05:03.14 | Shirik | ^ polymorphic virus ^_^ |
| 05:03.18 | Dagmar | I laughed and walked out |
| 05:03.30 | A-KO | ScytheBlade1: I'm assuming it'll be tomorrow morning/afternoon |
| 05:03.42 | A-KO | wonder if my key is up on connect |
| 05:03.46 | Dagmar | That woman doesn't work there anymore now. Heh |
| 05:03.50 | ScytheBlade1 | probably |
| 05:04.07 | A-KO | fail not yet :( |
| 05:04.19 | Adys | IFIXEDIT! |
| 05:04.22 | Adys | haha. |
| 05:04.28 | Adys | I clicked random buttons and i fixed it. |
| 05:04.30 | A-KO | www.thereifixedit.com IMO |
| 05:04.33 | Adys | fuck you pulse |
| 05:04.39 | Dagmar | heh\ |
| 05:04.51 | Adys | serious fuck you |
| 05:04.53 | Adys | anyway |
| 05:04.59 | Adys | popped up pavucontrol |
| 05:05.02 | Adys | output devices |
| 05:05.03 | Adys | headphones |
| 05:05.06 | vithos | was Grid's waterfall config removed? |
| 05:05.08 | Adys | set as fallback |
| 05:05.17 | vithos | er wrong channel kinda |
| 05:08.30 | Shirik | http://www.slightlywarped.com/crapfactory/curiosities/2009/gibraltarairport.htm |
| 05:08.32 | Shirik | ... what the hell? |
| 05:08.49 | Shirik | hey hey, ScytheBlade1, yousaid you were learning C++ right? |
| 05:08.53 | ScytheBlade1 | no? |
| 05:09.03 | Shirik | oh :( |
| 05:09.10 | zenzio | well, Gibraltar is a small place |
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| 05:31.37 | Wimpsy` | That movie was epic. |
| 05:31.41 | Thunder_Child | they could simply build a tunnel underneath the runway |
| 05:32.51 | Shirik | It would totally be illegal in the US |
| 05:33.15 | Shirik | The FAA gets pissed off when there's runway incursions with airport roads |
| 05:33.21 | Shirik | uncontrolled roads? They'd have a fit |
| 05:36.06 | Aqua | well crap |
| 05:36.51 | Shirik | Of course, these are the same guys that we went to saying "Hey look, there's absolutely nothing here in a 20 mile radius. Can we fly our unmanned aircraft there?" |
| 05:37.11 | Shirik | Their response was "Um... here you can have this 100 feet of airspace" |
| 05:37.29 | Shirik | I'm exaggerating a bit, and they eventually changed their mind, but still >.> |
| 05:40.20 | A-KO | so what ridiculous prices are you guys paying for the new epic gems on your realm? :P |
| 05:40.46 | Wimpsy` | 20g for 5 epic gems, 4 runed and 1 purified dreadstone. :) |
| 05:41.03 | Wimpsy` | Not very ridiculous in my opinion. |
| 05:41.04 | Wimpsy` | ;) |
| 05:41.05 | End | I paid 50k honor and 30 emblems |
| 05:41.09 | End | ish |
| 05:41.17 | Wimpsy` | 60k honor here. |
| 05:41.23 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: las vegas has a major road going through a tunnel under a main runway |
| 05:41.33 | Shirik | yah |
| 05:41.38 | Shirik | but that's not an incursion |
| 05:41.50 | End | holy crap lightning |
| 05:41.53 | Wimpsy` | What's the general opinion on AFK messages here? |
| 05:41.59 | Shirik | there's no real danger there (except the tunnel collapsing, which is a problem by itself) |
| 05:42.01 | Wimpsy` | I'm guessing they're AMGGOAWAY? |
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| 05:42.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Wimpsy`: erm. As in in this IRC channel or what? |
| 05:42.11 | Wimpsy` | Yah. |
| 05:42.14 | ScytheBlade1 | We might stab you. |
| 05:42.16 | zenzio | Shirik: there are several European airports where the roads go underneath the runways |
| 05:42.18 | ScytheBlade1 | That may be just me though. |
| 05:42.18 | Wimpsy` | :( |
| 05:42.22 | Wimpsy` | I don't wanna be stabbed. |
| 05:42.25 | Wimpsy` | So I'll just nick AFK instead. |
| 05:42.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Changing your nick to reflect that you're not at the keyboard is fine, though |
| 05:42.30 | zenzio | not necessarily the part where planes take off/land though, but the taxi part |
| 05:42.34 | ScytheBlade1 | Assuming you don't do it every four seconds |
| 05:42.47 | Shirik | If he does it every 4 seconds, Shiibot will eventually get pissed at him |
| 05:42.54 | ScytheBlade1 | And then he will be stabbed |
| 05:42.56 | Wimpsy`AFK | Obviously not, but I'm off to work now for 3-4 hours. |
| 05:42.58 | ScytheBlade1 | Proof positive right there |
| 05:43.04 | End | <3 Shiibot |
| 05:43.08 | End | but changing your nick is fine |
| 05:44.04 | Dashkal | ~stab Wimpsy`AFK |
| 05:44.04 | purl | ACTION runs at Wimpsy`AFK with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 05:44.09 | End | giggles. |
| 05:44.20 | Dashkal | Had to be done |
| 05:46.15 | ZorbaTHut | man, whatever they did to WoW's rendering in 3.2 is absolutely destroying my ability to run it in the background |
| 05:46.48 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: theres a cvar to limit the fps while its in the background |
| 05:47.10 | ZorbaTHut | it's not the framerate, it's something else |
| 05:47.14 | ZorbaTHut | but I'll try that out |
| 05:47.35 | ZorbaTHut | interesting, something seems to be using way the fuck too much RAM |
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| 05:54.59 | ZorbaTHut | what on earth is windows burning almost 8gb of commit charge on |
| 05:56.58 | Adys | http://thereifixedit.com/2009/07/30/epic-kludge-photo-words-fail-me/ |
| 05:57.00 | Adys | Im trying |
| 05:57.03 | Adys | really, really hard |
| 05:57.06 | Adys | to distinguish something |
| 05:59.56 | Adys | http://www.janvormann.com/dispatchwork.php well this is neat |
| 06:01.12 | Adys | http://www.slightlywarped.com/crapfactory/curiosities/2009/gibraltarairport.htm |
| 06:02.30 | Shirik | ... Adys |
| 06:02.38 | Shirik | seriously? |
| 06:02.53 | Shirik | Like, that discussion isn't even off my screen yet |
| 06:02.57 | Shirik | just look up :P |
| 06:03.08 | Adys | I'm not reading your shitty channel. |
| 06:03.14 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:03.16 | ScytheBlade1 | No, you're just polluting it |
| 06:03.33 | Squeese | got a table sorta like: t={[123]=something, [342]=else}; how do I get the "size" of it? table.getn (t) returns 0 |
| 06:03.49 | Shirik | NEVER use table.getn |
| 06:03.55 | Shirik | and there is no size of that table |
| 06:04.23 | Squeese | ok, so I have to iterate it and count? |
| 06:04.23 | Shirik | if that's what you want, yes |
| 06:04.23 | Shirik | However |
| 06:04.25 | Shirik | You should never use table.getn |
| 06:04.30 | Shirik | even if that was the "correct" answer |
| 06:04.33 | Shirik | You should use # |
| 06:04.39 | Adys | some of the scary shit on this website |
| 06:04.42 | Squeese | #t ? |
| 06:04.58 | Shirik | yes |
| 06:05.25 | Squeese | ok |
| 06:05.30 | Adys | some of the scary, scary, scary shit. |
| 06:06.18 | Squeese | so the table doesnt have a size, does it have a count or length? (if thats a difference, now well versed in general coding language) |
| 06:07.02 | Squeese | hmm, that sounded like an odd question.. :P |
| 06:07.13 | krka | i still havent found a valid use case for counting number of non-nil key-value pairs in a lua table |
| 06:07.33 | Adys | i had to use that three times at least |
| 06:07.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Squeese: generally, if you want an accurate count, the only way to do that always is to iterate over the table |
| 06:07.47 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:07.59 | Squeese | ok, thanks :) |
| 06:08.07 | Adys | krka: most simple use case, storing id=>value for items for example |
| 06:08.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Squeese: if you have a table with linear indexes, you can use #t to get the count, but that breaks if there are any gaps in the indexes (or it hits a non-numeric index) |
| 06:08.36 | Squeese | aha |
| 06:08.55 | Arrowmaster | if theres a gap then the behavior of # is undefined |
| 06:09.06 | krka | ScytheBlade1: what do you mean by hits a non-numeric index? |
| 06:09.13 | Adys | it counts until the gap |
| 06:09.21 | ScytheBlade1 | krka: ^ |
| 06:09.22 | krka | well... you're all wrong! |
| 06:09.24 | ScytheBlade1 | probably |
| 06:09.25 | Arrowmaster | Adys: no it doesnt |
| 06:09.26 | Adys | and a non numerical index doesn't matter |
| 06:09.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm also medicated |
| 06:09.31 | ScytheBlade1 | whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 06:09.41 | Adys | er, what? |
| 06:09.45 | Adys | Arrowmaster: ^ |
| 06:10.01 | krka | #t is defined to give a number n such that t[n] ~= nil and t[n+1] == nil, or 0 if no such n can be found |
| 06:10.11 | Arrowmaster | lua> #({nil,ture}) |
| 06:10.12 | krka | see, it's well defined |
| 06:10.15 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 0 |
| 06:10.33 | krka | ScytheBlade1: #t doesn't consider non-numeric indices at all |
| 06:10.40 | ScytheBlade1 | krka: so it would seem |
| 06:10.44 | Adys | yeah |
| 06:10.47 | Arrowmaster | lua> #({nil,true}) |
| 06:10.49 | lua_bot | Arrowmaster: 2 |
| 06:10.57 | Adys | its not that it doesn't consider them, its that it never reaches them |
| 06:10.59 | Arrowmaster | ^^ *cough* |
| 06:11.38 | Arrowmaster | it can and will skip over certain gaps in an array |
| 06:11.55 | Arrowmaster | which is why the behavior is considered undefined if the array has any gaps in it |
| 06:12.03 | Adys | [09:10:02] <krka> #t is defined to give a number n such that t[n] ~= nil and t[n+1] == nil, or 0 if no such n can be found |
| 06:12.05 | krka | my definition still stands |
| 06:12.30 | krka | which is why your best option is to make sure only one such n _can_ be found |
| 06:12.48 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 06:12.58 | Adys | http://thereifixedit.com/2009/06/23/epic-kludge-photo-and-people-ask-why-im-scared-to-fly/ |
| 06:13.08 | Adys | Im not sure if this is scarier than the runway/airport thing |
| 06:14.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys: read the second comment |
| 06:14.30 | Adys | scary movies are perfectly safe to watch too |
| 06:14.30 | ScytheBlade1 | (On that page of comments, it would seem) |
| 06:15.28 | krka | i'm scared of anything human built / maintained. people are such idiots |
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| 06:16.41 | Adys | Wow, after reading the comments here I have realize why everybody is against aviation and airports. |
| 06:16.45 | Adys | good old internet comments |
| 06:17.15 | Adys | straightly assuming either everyone agrees, either everyone disagrees with them |
| 06:17.24 | ZorbaTHut | ugh I am getting tired of windows |
| 06:17.33 | Adys | close them |
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| 06:21.52 | Fisker | Anyone done the kraken daily yet? |
| 06:23.10 | NightHawkTheSane | kraken? i hardly know 'er! |
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| 06:29.58 | End | I like having gear that noone knows about |
| 06:30.38 | zenzio | don't worry End, you'll find a girl eventually, then you can discover each other's gears |
| 06:30.46 | End | lol |
| 06:30.51 | End | well put sir |
| 06:31.02 | krka | i see what you did there |
| 06:31.39 | End | holy crap |
| 06:31.47 | End | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:32.00 | End | I'm used to DevTools' version, which is tiny |
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| 06:32.13 | End | oh, it's parented to WorldFrame |
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| 06:33.00 | tem | okay, I lied |
| 06:33.02 | tem | not going to bed just yet |
| 06:33.11 | End | liar |
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| 06:35.02 | Cairenn | :`( |
| 06:35.04 | Cairenn | http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/08/06/2648106.htm |
| 06:35.21 | zenzio | huggles Cairenn. It'll be all right |
| 06:35.39 | NightHawkTheSane | :( |
| 06:36.39 | A-KO | hmmm, how do you set colors on text printed to the chat window? |
| 06:37.29 | Sesshu | :AddMessage("text", red, green, blue)? |
| 06:37.41 | A-KO | oh you can just set the rgb? |
| 06:38.00 | End | you can use the color codes too |
| 06:38.22 | End | but if you just want to set the whole line, using :AddMessage's args is sufficient |
| 06:38.51 | A-KO | any links on this at all? Tried searching wowwiki for something on it |
| 06:39.16 | End | which, :AddMessage or the formatting codes? |
| 06:39.20 | A-KO | the formatting codes |
| 06:39.40 | End | it's on wowwiki somewhere |
| 06:39.42 | End | lemme see |
| 06:41.53 | End | http://www.wowwiki.com/UI_Escape_Sequences |
| 06:42.01 | A-KO | oh nice |
| 06:42.02 | A-KO | okay |
| 06:42.10 | A-KO | thanks |
| 06:42.11 | End | that was a lot harder to find than I expected >_> |
| 06:42.15 | End | no problem |
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| 06:44.29 | A-KO | hmmm, does that not work with print()? |
| 06:44.52 | End | it should, but only because print outputs to the chat frame |
| 06:45.22 | A-KO | hmmm |
| 06:45.41 | End | fontstrings support a subset, and scrolling message frames support all(?) of it |
| 06:45.42 | A-KO | it's printing the whole string |
| 06:45.44 | End | here's the gotcha |
| 06:45.59 | End | are you just entering it in via /script or /run? |
| 06:46.10 | A-KO | yeah...not gonna work? lol |
| 06:46.13 | A-KO | just testing it out atm |
| 06:46.16 | End | it tries to be helpful |
| 06:46.25 | A-KO | ahhhhhh |
| 06:46.33 | End | considering the "end-user" shouldn't care about that sort of thing, it escapes | for you |
| 06:46.47 | End | try replacing | with uh... \124 I think? |
| 06:47.11 | A-KO | ew :P okay it works from the function calls directly |
| 06:47.15 | A-KO | thanks :P |
| 06:47.18 | End | np |
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| 06:48.48 | Wobin | I have more beta invites for Heroes of Newerth, if anyone wants to try |
| 06:49.34 | nevcairiel | is the game any good? |
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| 06:50.26 | Wobin | Not my style of game, personally |
| 06:50.39 | nevcairiel | what style is it then? :p |
| 06:50.56 | Fisker | Blizzard lied to me :( |
| 06:50.57 | Fisker | hold me Wobin |
| 06:51.06 | Wobin | DOTA |
| 06:51.17 | Wobin | how did Blizzard let you down, Fisker? |
| 06:51.22 | Thunder_Child | i'll try it Wobin |
| 06:51.41 | Wobin | email? |
| 06:51.41 | Fisker | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18600878587&postId=188326997863&sid=1#10 |
| 06:51.47 | Fisker | " the maximum number of Champion's Seals you can obtain in a single day will be 15 after patch 3.2 hits, not including any lucky Champion's Seal drops in the Champion's Purse. " |
| 06:51.49 | Fisker | liiiiiiiiiies |
| 06:52.16 | nevcairiel | dota does sound kinda nice, i'll take one too :D nevcairiel@wowace.com |
| 06:52.34 | Wobin | sent! |
| 06:53.10 | theorbtwo | Don't think I saw that in the patch notes. |
| 06:53.12 | A-KO | btw, End, this is win: http://www.web-source.net/216_color_chart.htm |
| 06:53.14 | Thunder_Child | grrr...my UN is always 1 to many |
| 06:53.14 | A-KO | :P |
| 06:53.41 | End | I usually make up a color code and hope I got it close enough |
| 06:53.46 | A-KO | lol |
| 06:54.10 | NightHawkTheSane | you know, web safe colors can go fuck themselves. |
| 06:54.24 | theorbtwo | ...a long time ago. |
| 06:54.32 | NightHawkTheSane | actually, more correctly: graphic designers who shove me PSDs without telling me what colors they used can go fuck themselves. |
| 06:54.46 | theorbtwo | Who the fuck still uses a 255 color display? |
| 06:54.48 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: It's a bluey-green! |
| 06:55.39 | End | I never had a 255 color display...I jumped from monochrome to 24bit (I think) |
| 06:55.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: no, i either end up having to fumble through PS to figure out how to find what color they used, or i use some digital color sampling tool and "guess", and i always get some crazy color code like 47A3D9 |
| 06:55.53 | End | but then again, I had to deal with what my parents had |
| 06:55.54 | Wobin | wow, that sounds websafe! |
| 06:55.59 | End | oh, memories |
| 06:56.07 | Wobin | in the corner of your mind? |
| 06:56.25 | NightHawkTheSane | (as an aside, i love jquery) |
| 06:56.53 | theorbtwo | shrugs. Ain't nothing wrong with 47a3d9. |
| 06:56.54 | End | <3 jquery |
| 06:57.07 | NightHawkTheSane | wonders what color that IS... |
| 06:57.26 | End | cyanish? |
| 06:57.35 | theorbtwo | People pick colors by saying "hm, a little bit more green", not by typing in nice-looking numbers in hex. |
| 06:57.39 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: It's a bluey-green! I told you =P |
| 06:57.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: haha |
| 06:57.50 | End | ok, bluey-green it is! |
| 06:58.08 | theorbtwo | Looks more like greeny-blue to me. |
| 06:58.10 | Wobin | theorbtwo: this does not, however, stop them from finding the proper hex values -after- selection and informing people =P |
| 06:58.24 | End | it's more bluey than it is greeny |
| 06:58.42 | End | and I pick colors by choosing nice looking numbers in hex |
| 06:58.52 | End | but I'm terrible at picking colors |
| 06:58.53 | End | :P |
| 06:58.58 | Wobin | that's cause you're mildly OCD =P |
| 06:59.00 | theorbtwo | End: OK, graphic designers don't. |
| 06:59.05 | NightHawkTheSane | theorbtwo: no doubt, i dont even care about nice looking numbers, i just want to know that the numbers im using are the same as the ones the designer used. and if i have to fumble through a color sampling utility, thats not really guaranteed |
| 06:59.06 | End | touche |
| 06:59.12 | End | I'm not graphic designer by a long shot |
| 06:59.17 | End | not a * |
| 06:59.21 | Fisker | kisses Wobin |
| 06:59.23 | theorbtwo | Neither am I. |
| 06:59.27 | Wobin | slips Fisker the tongue |
| 06:59.43 | sacarasc | :o |
| 06:59.53 | theorbtwo | When I used to have to make graphics, I wrote SVG with a text editor, because it was nicer then a graphical program. |
| 07:00.04 | Fisker | ;o |
| 07:00.12 | Fisker | Sexymap won't show my battleground icon |
| 07:00.15 | Fisker | ffffuuuu- etc. |
| 07:00.20 | End | shows it for me |
| 07:00.24 | End | shows you are just bad |
| 07:00.39 | Wobin | Fisker: https://www.onlyoz.com.au/bronte-tongues-jelly-110g-net-aaaa-p-3506.html?osCsid=rjuuni3p4staaq2m0vofkni9e7 |
| 07:01.03 | End | what |
| 07:01.07 | End | the hell |
| 07:01.13 | Wobin | Bronte Gourmet Tongues =P |
| 07:01.14 | End | people are buy eternal earth for 180g a stack? |
| 07:01.21 | End | oh wait, I'm an idiot |
| 07:01.30 | End | that's only 9g per |
| 07:01.36 | End | I don't know what I was thinking |
| 07:01.41 | End | (answer: I wasn't) |
| 07:01.47 | Wobin | You weren't? |
| 07:01.53 | End | I t'weren't |
| 07:01.58 | Wobin | (thanks for the hint!) |
| 07:03.28 | NightHawkTheSane | quick, html entity for an up arrow! |
| 07:03.55 | NightHawkTheSane | man, you people are slower than google, wtf? |
| 07:03.58 | Wobin | ↑, ↑, ↑, |
| 07:04.14 | End | my guess would have been &up; but I would be wrong ;p |
| 07:04.22 | Wobin | I was going to get the lmgtfy link =P |
| 07:04.31 | NightHawkTheSane | lmgtfy? |
| 07:04.36 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, yeah.. ;) |
| 07:04.38 | End | let me google that for you |
| 07:04.56 | Wobin | http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=html+entity+up+arrow |
| 07:05.09 | Arrowmaster | http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2191/index.htm |
| 07:05.10 | NightHawkTheSane | i did, in fact, google it :P |
| 07:05.20 | Wobin | http://live.lmgtfy.com/ is still so very amusing |
| 07:05.44 | End | lol |
| 07:05.46 | End | so it is |
| 07:05.57 | End | o_O |
| 07:06.08 | Wobin | you saw the naked nun query? |
| 07:06.09 | End | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:06.15 | NightHawkTheSane | shudders |
| 07:06.52 | End | sausage |
| 07:07.31 | NightHawkTheSane | hah, "how to not be a forum troll" |
| 07:07.44 | End | glances at Fisker. |
| 07:07.53 | Sesshu | rofl lmgtfy .. what a kind of site |
| 07:08.08 | End | WOW EURPE |
| 07:08.16 | NightHawkTheSane | dammit, i should be doing.. productive... things... |
| 07:08.22 | End | like being productive |
| 07:08.28 | theorbtwo | WOW, Antartica! |
| 07:08.46 | NightHawkTheSane | definitely not staring at 'charles nelson reilly' scroll past my screen a bazilllion times |
| 07:08.54 | End | yeah, I was noticing that too |
| 07:09.09 | End | hey, they spelled WOW EUROPE correctly this time |
| 07:09.21 | Sesshu | who |
| 07:09.34 | End | on the live lmgtfy |
| 07:10.04 | End | I'm a bad person |
| 07:10.14 | Sesshu | lol |
| 07:10.15 | End | I was curious why this carles nelson reilly was so popular... |
| 07:10.25 | End | so I clicked on it to make it show up again |
| 07:10.46 | NightHawkTheSane | ~larat End |
| 07:10.49 | NightHawkTheSane | ~lart End |
| 07:10.49 | purl | explains, ever so gently, that if End doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
| 07:11.01 | End | I gave too much information |
| 07:11.19 | NightHawkTheSane | "what is a puppy" |
| 07:11.28 | Sesshu | thats a funny site.. have to make a bookmark! |
| 07:11.46 | End | I shouldn't be laughing as hard as I am |
| 07:12.05 | End | what is a puppy keeps showing up |
| 07:12.18 | NightHawkTheSane | heh, "is it safe?" |
| 07:12.36 | End | ok, I need to step away from the computer |
| 07:12.46 | NightHawkTheSane | you need to watch more live lmgtfy |
| 07:12.52 | End | apparently |
| 07:13.10 | End | How is this team so RAW!!!? |
| 07:13.14 | NightHawkTheSane | everyone needs more charles nelson reilly |
| 07:13.18 | Sesshu | what is iirc |
| 07:13.21 | Sesshu | yea |
| 07:13.24 | End | if I recall correctly |
| 07:13.32 | End | oh, you mean someone said that? |
| 07:13.39 | End | I wish I could scroll |
| 07:16.52 | Wobin | wow, charles is so popular |
| 07:17.05 | Sesshu | yes |
| 07:18.57 | Sesshu | but.. when i generating a link on lmgtfy it isn't shown there.. at the live stream |
| 07:19.17 | Wobin | somone likes their pretentious camera bags |
| 07:19.32 | Wobin | Sesshu: I imagine that the live feed is a subset of the users |
| 07:20.04 | Sesshu | hm |
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| 07:24.24 | ccox_ | Dear Blizzard; Can has honor without bugs, plz? |
| 07:24.39 | Sesshu | no |
| 07:24.41 | Sesshu | . |
| 07:25.03 | ccox_ | server crashed mid WG battle |
| 07:26.10 | tem | well |
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| 07:26.18 | tem | DW frost seems to work pretty well |
| 07:26.24 | tem | 4k dps on the dummy |
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| 07:31.43 | End | nev's quit message doesn't render properly o_O |
| 07:32.12 | zenzio | does for me |
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| 07:58.42 | Sesshu | is there already any add on which hides specified messages which are displayed by any chatframe? |
| 08:00.07 | Dagmar | Yay for new bugs |
| 08:00.21 | Dagmar | Five monkey deaths in one boss fight isn't a fluke |
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| 08:00.38 | Dagmar | NOW i see what's up with the maintenance tonight |
| 08:04.00 | End | so what's the criteria for flying in wintergrasp now? |
| 08:05.13 | Lukian | don't land |
| 08:05.29 | End | landing is fine...apparently |
| 08:05.38 | End | I mounted up in the middle of wintergrasp and flew away |
| 08:06.00 | Lukian | wow interesting |
| 08:06.11 | End | I'm wondering if it only restricts you during a battle |
| 08:06.15 | Dagmar | Wow that's not actually supposed to happen |
| 08:06.22 | End | I mean, it only prevents you from mounting up during a battle |
| 08:06.24 | Dagmar | The rules might be different when the battle isn't going on |
| 08:06.25 | End | well |
| 08:06.26 | End | it happened |
| 08:06.33 | Dagmar | You still definitely get flagged for flying over it tho |
| 08:06.37 | End | I didn't try until after the battle had just ended |
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| 08:06.43 | End | huh, strange |
| 08:07.14 | Sesshu | now you will see my quit message...! |
| 08:07.28 | End | closes his eyes. |
| 08:07.32 | Sesshu | ...of my irc client |
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| 08:07.41 | End | can't see if my eyes are closed |
| 08:08.00 | End | that sounds like a lmgtfy live entry |
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| 08:11.30 | bluspacecow | hey gang |
| 08:11.34 | Sixen | ohai |
| 08:11.38 | bluspacecow | anyone know how to fix this error : |
| 08:11.39 | bluspacecow | http://pastey.net/120062 |
| 08:11.43 | Cairenn | hey bluspacecow :) |
| 08:11.44 | bluspacecow | see i pasited it ! |
| 08:11.52 | Sixen | Hey. You post in the PTR forums, right? |
| 08:12.01 | bluspacecow | yep |
| 08:12.10 | bluspacecow | i was "glyphsguy" on e 3.1 PTR |
| 08:12.10 | Sixen | Ah yeah... That was KD3's and my territory. |
| 08:12.14 | Sixen | It's forsaken land now. |
| 08:12.22 | Sixen | I used to post on Elzix, now I post on Sixen. |
| 08:13.05 | bluspacecow | lolz sixen i was the silly person who whored himself for the entire 3.1 PTR with free glyphs |
| 08:13.24 | Sixen | oic |
| 08:13.36 | Sixen | I remember seeing you post every so often. |
| 08:13.46 | bluspacecow | :) |
| 08:14.05 | bluspacecow | dear lord 26 tech support forums post in one day :( |
| 08:14.17 | Sixen | you or me? |
| 08:14.42 | bluspacecow | ? *confused* |
| 08:14.54 | Sixen | 26 tech posts in one day? by who? |
| 08:15.01 | bluspacecow | woops |
| 08:15.06 | bluspacecow | missed a word |
| 08:15.18 | Sixen | lol |
| 08:15.18 | bluspacecow | 26 t.s. forum PAGES in one day then :( |
| 08:15.34 | Sixen | Oh shit. That's why I only post in Bnet Tech, I hate when it moves too fast... |
| 08:15.42 | bluspacecow | im skimming the last 10 or so |
| 08:16.06 | Sixen | heh |
| 08:16.17 | bluspacecow | i post more to mac tech support forums ...i've developed this hobby of reading mac os x crash reports :) |
| 08:17.15 | bluspacecow | there should be a prompter on the make new thread screen to a link to the stickies |
| 08:17.15 | Sixen | I want to buy an old Mac to mess around with... |
| 08:17.42 | bluspacecow | how old ? |
| 08:17.46 | bluspacecow | Apple Lisa era ? |
| 08:17.49 | bluspacecow | :) |
| 08:18.08 | Sixen | I don't even care, just something cheap, :P. |
| 08:18.13 | Sixen | That has a Mac OS on it. |
| 08:18.26 | bluspacecow | Apple Lisa is pre 1984 Macintosh |
| 08:18.31 | bluspacecow | oh woops "Mac OS" |
| 08:18.37 | Sixen | =/ |
| 08:18.44 | Sixen | And how much would that cost me? |
| 08:18.56 | bluspacecow | for an antique computer ? |
| 08:19.07 | Sixen | oh lawd. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Lisa |
| 08:19.21 | bluspacecow | oh hey i got an old imac i could ship to the USA if interested |
| 08:19.25 | bluspacecow | got 110.4 on it |
| 08:19.29 | bluspacecow | 10.4 |
| 08:19.34 | Sixen | orly |
| 08:19.40 | bluspacecow | ya rly |
| 08:19.46 | bluspacecow | CD tray broken tho |
| 08:19.56 | Sixen | hm. that's fixable though, no? |
| 08:19.58 | bluspacecow | so im pretty much use it as a back up computer |
| 08:20.21 | bluspacecow | yeah if you can find the right part and aren't partial to ripping it apart |
| 08:21.18 | Dagmar | Epoxy will probably work |
| 08:21.27 | bluspacecow | lolz "i don't have any addons loaded" *crash report lists addons in memory* |
| 08:21.32 | Dagmar | It's not like that bit undergoes a lot of stress |
| 08:22.22 | Dagmar | You have to know the vulcan grip to get those imacs open IIRC |
| 08:22.35 | bluspacecow | its a slot loading one to so you need to line it up good too |
| 08:22.54 | Dagmar | I'm not going to ask how you broke the tray of a slot-loader |
| 08:23.25 | bluspacecow | oh i mean the CD rom drive needs to be replaced sorry |
| 08:23.32 | Dagmar | They're going to be either ATAPI or SCSI so at least if you must you can just hook up something third-party with a nice long cable |
| 08:23.58 | bluspacecow | its a imac G3 |
| 08:23.59 | Dagmar | Creative were practically the last people I'm aware of to make a completely proprietary optical drive |
| 08:24.07 | bluspacecow | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IMac_Bondi_Blue.jpg |
| 08:24.14 | bluspacecow | ^^^^^ like that almost |
| 08:24.24 | bluspacecow | cept its green |
| 08:24.50 | Dagmar | So they had PATA disks in them. It's likely the optical is PATA as well |
| 08:25.10 | bluspacecow | PATA ? |
| 08:25.39 | Dagmar | Parallell ATA |
| 08:25.50 | Dagmar | It's a retronym for IDE |
| 08:25.52 | bluspacecow | ah |
| 08:26.02 | Dagmar | ...since the new ones are SATA |
| 08:26.20 | Dagmar | Oh wait that model of iMac has USB ports |
| 08:26.24 | Dagmar | Screw bothering to open it |
| 08:26.32 | Dagmar | USB DVD burners are what, thirty bucks? |
| 08:26.37 | bluspacecow | yeah |
| 08:26.51 | bluspacecow | but that picture isnt the exact model i have |
| 08:26.57 | bluspacecow | it just looks like that one |
| 08:26.58 | Dagmar | I was googling the hardware reqs since I didnt' get to repair very many macs |
| 08:27.22 | Dagmar | Yeah the variation on that that matters would be the "DV" models that have a DVD ROM and some firewire ports extra |
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| 08:28.35 | bluspacecow | hmm need to respec ...time for the inscriptionist ghetto heath |
| 08:28.46 | bluspacecow | Tanaris :) |
| 08:29.48 | Dagmar | haha |
| 08:30.01 | Dagmar | At least it's sunny there |
| 08:30.10 | bluspacecow | its where you intentionally use a lower level Scroll of Recall |
| 08:30.16 | Dagmar | Yeah I know |
| 08:30.20 | bluspacecow | usually i get dropped in Hinterlands |
| 08:30.24 | Dagmar | I was a little pissed that only Inscriptionists get to do that |
| 08:30.24 | bluspacecow | or goldshire |
| 08:30.28 | bluspacecow | first time for Tanaris tho |
| 08:30.47 | Dagmar | I bought five of them in the AH the first time I saw some thinking "Yay I can teleport myself to random weird places" |
| 08:31.11 | bluspacecow | well Tanaris is pretty weird....mighty big rats there |
| 08:31.26 | bluspacecow | they got these nasty pincers and poison :( |
| 08:31.27 | Dagmar | I let maniac gnomes test devices on me all the time so why the heck should risking landing in the middle of the swamp bother me |
| 08:31.46 | Dagmar | Rats in Tanaris... |
| 08:31.57 | Dagmar | Perhaps you mean scorpids |
| 08:32.22 | bluspacecow | ..... |
| 08:32.27 | bluspacecow | so thats why i failed that quest |
| 08:34.29 | Dagmar | I still haven't seen the giant, shadowy hogger yet |
| 08:34.43 | End | does he give you nightmares? |
| 08:34.51 | Dagmar | I will be sorely disappointed if they were jerking our chain with that achievement |
| 08:35.01 | Dashkal | You have defeated the Lich King! Nightmare mode unlocked... |
| 08:35.14 | Dagmar | Heigan showed up tonight. Four of us stopped to type /dance |
| 08:35.20 | End | haha |
| 08:36.01 | Dagmar | OKay yeah pets are knackered |
| 08:36.07 | bluspacecow | hmmm is Cartographer_QuestInfo part of Cartographer or is a seperate addon ? |
| 08:36.30 | Dagmar | It's not part of what I installed |
| 08:37.30 | Dagmar | SOme people were posting that their pet's talents got reset, and I suspect possibly that was supposed to happen |
| 08:37.36 | Dagmar | ...but the client doesn't show it. Heh |
| 08:37.50 | Dagmar | I'll worry about it tomorrow |
| 08:38.05 | bluspacecow | nah i search the patch notes last night for "reset" |
| 08:38.12 | bluspacecow | nothing about pet talents |
| 08:38.25 | Dagmar | Well, I was watching my gorilla die tonight like I'd summoned the _squire_ and sent him in so... They broke 'em |
| 08:38.53 | Dagmar | The thing has fewer hitpoints than me, for one bad sign |
| 08:39.30 | bluspacecow | its got a seperate project page on wow ace so it must be a sepearte thing |
| 08:39.56 | Dagmar | I have cartographer installed here, just not that bit, ergo it must be separate |
| 08:40.01 | bluspacecow | whers this new Hogger at ? |
| 08:40.14 | Dagmar | ToC |
| 08:40.22 | bluspacecow | Toc == ? |
| 08:40.28 | Dagmar | There's three new achievements you may not have noticed, way down at the bottom of one of the lists |
| 08:40.58 | Dagmar | One is now basically defeating Paletress after she's summoned the spirits or whatever of four of the following, and it's got this list of mobs |
| 08:41.14 | Dagmar | Heigan, Ingvar, several otehrs I can't remember, and Hogger is in that list |
| 08:41.34 | Dagmar | Trials of the Champion. The 5-man they just added at the Argent Tourament |
| 08:41.37 | Fisker | toc = Trial of The Champion |
| 08:41.39 | Fisker | fu Dagmar |
| 08:41.40 | Dagmar | I genuinely like it |
| 08:41.41 | Fisker | fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu- |
| 08:41.42 | bluspacecow | so its not in Elwynn |
| 08:41.44 | Fisker | i hate it |
| 08:41.48 | Dagmar | I like it |
| 08:41.48 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 08:41.51 | Fisker | i hate it |
| 08:41.59 | bluspacecow | and i floo to Westfall to pwn him :( |
| 08:42.00 | Industrial | http://9elements.com/io/projects/html5/canvas/ |
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| 08:42.06 | Dagmar | There's not much mucking about with trash, and they pretty much put you through your paces for it |
| 08:42.13 | Industrial | byebye Adobe Flash (tm) and Microsoft Silverlight (tm) |
| 08:42.37 | Dagmar | All the stuff you learned while coming up from 1 to 80 if you weren't just a rote LOLDPSer you can use and get through it |
| 08:43.02 | Dagmar | "healer dies first", "stay out of the stuff", "keep your head down for the adds" etc etc |
| 08:43.06 | bluspacecow | FF 3.5 you can play videos without any plugins :) |
| 08:43.17 | Dagmar | If you don't keep your wits about you, you probably die a lot |
| 08:43.30 | Fisker | Final Fantasy 3.5? |
| 08:43.40 | bluspacecow | ~fish Fisker |
| 08:43.41 | purl | ACTION slaps Fisker around with a large trout |
| 08:43.43 | bluspacecow | Firefox |
| 08:43.49 | Dagmar | I imagine some raiders will HATE IT |
| 08:43.56 | Dagmar | ...out of jealousy. |
| 08:44.04 | krka | aww i get no sound :/ |
| 08:44.11 | Fisker | bluspacecow you mean Fx 3.5? |
| 08:44.14 | bluspacecow | would that be the relys-on-macros-for-everything crowd |
| 08:44.21 | bluspacecow | yep yep |
| 08:44.27 | Dagmar | It takes like 15-30 minutes to do in Heroic mode, and drops 219's, new badges, stone keeper's shards, and champion tokens |
| 08:44.38 | Dagmar | It's like the Hall of Loot Pinatas |
| 08:44.38 | bluspacecow | industrial that plays fine in Safari 4 :) |
| 08:44.57 | Industrial | bluspacecow: and firefox and chrome 3 |
| 08:45.00 | bluspacecow | for those who know what the fuck they are doing |
| 08:45.30 | Dagmar | bluspacecow: Yeah my guild leader likes a challenge, so we regularly do insane things |
| 08:45.44 | bluspacecow | and watch the fucking TAIL ! |
| 08:46.03 | Dagmar | bluspacecow: It was pretty funny last night. We'd just done it in normal mode, and the guild leader and his wife come on and join us, and he sets it to heroic mode |
| 08:46.14 | bluspacecow | mmmm hmmmm |
| 08:46.32 | Dagmar | So, the guild leader healed it without seeing it, his wide DPSed it, and we stomped it flat |
| 08:46.52 | Dagmar | ...but PUGs are hilarious if you can stand dying a little |
| 08:47.18 | bluspacecow | his wide ? |
| 08:47.24 | bluspacecow | he has a truck that heals for him ? |
| 08:47.31 | Dagmar | er wife |
| 08:47.36 | bluspacecow | teehee |
| 08:48.03 | Dagmar | Yeah we have a lot of couples, so like, 10-mans are pretty nifty sometimes |
| 08:48.17 | Dagmar | Everyone running vent, and two people to a room. :) |
| 08:48.25 | Dagmar | Man that makes coordination easy |
| 08:48.55 | Dagmar | Wow people like to wipe when the jousting bit ends tho. Hehe |
| 08:49.08 | Dagmar | You find out real quick who can react to a sudden change in conditions there. |
| 08:49.25 | Dagmar | Watching a rogue swing that lance is hilarious |
| 08:50.19 | Dagmar | Those fights make everyone run around so much I wish we could verifiably measure DPS in there |
| 08:50.27 | bluspacecow | where is Empowered Imp ? |
| 08:50.34 | bluspacecow | im looking at my locks talents and cat see it |
| 08:50.44 | Dagmar | Demonoology? |
| 08:51.03 | Slafsinator | destro |
| 08:51.05 | Slafsinator | far down |
| 08:51.45 | bluspacecow | blah |
| 08:52.08 | Dagmar | I know some people might not be amused seeing the tank swinging a lance, but you KNOW the guy on the other end is turning bright pink when they realize it |
| 08:52.23 | bluspacecow | wowhead has it under demonogly |
| 08:52.50 | Dagmar | There's no hiding that one. Everyone can see that it's not their epic axe of flaming death, it's a LANCE |
| 08:52.56 | Slafsinator | destro ftw though :) |
| 08:53.07 | Slafsinator | big kabooms all the time |
| 08:53.23 | Dagmar | You guys are the reason I don't spam Misdirect |
| 08:53.33 | Dagmar | It's almost ALWAYS the destro locks |
| 08:53.49 | Dagmar | ...and I feel your pain |
| 08:53.50 | bluspacecow | hmm |
| 08:53.52 | bluspacecow | oh me |
| 08:53.58 | bluspacecow | im Demon/Affiliction |
| 08:54.12 | Dagmar | I think they have the riskiest time of anyone getting a string of unhappy crits while leveling up |
| 08:54.38 | bluspacecow | a crit is only unlucky if it doesnt kill your mob you are killing |
| 08:55.04 | Dagmar | You say that, and haven't seen a destro lock frantically running in circles while Omen is just FILLING their little bar up |
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| 08:55.32 | Slafsinator | but big crits are fun |
| 08:55.32 | bluspacecow | since my lock is a gnome that would be amusing to watch |
| 08:55.36 | Slafsinator | omen is for women |
| 08:55.40 | bluspacecow | sit there as a healer and go hahahahahahahahahahahhaah |
| 08:55.57 | ZorbaTHut | it took us one wipe on every boss mostly because, if there was a right way to do it, we pretty much invariably didn't do it that way to begin with |
| 08:56.05 | Dagmar | Yeah one of my coworkers heals 25-mans and I've watched him many times |
| 08:56.06 | ZorbaTHut | but each time we said "yep that was dumb" and did it right |
| 08:56.19 | Dagmar | He doesn't even know what half the bosses look like because he's staring at a wall to keep his frame rate up |
| 08:56.53 | Dagmar | ZorbaTHut yeah I like that these guys can be figured out on the fly |
| 08:57.07 | Dagmar | There's a COOL enrage timer on that first orc boss |
| 08:57.41 | Dagmar | It's practically like he just throws up a hand and says "Okay, this has gone on long enough" and then proceeds to 2-hit everyone |
| 08:57.45 | ZorbaTHut | after we got the guys off their horses (and wiped) we ended up killing them roughly simultaneously just because we kept changing targets |
| 08:57.56 | ZorbaTHut | one guy was convinced that the troll was healing (turns out, nope, the tauren was healing) |
| 08:57.58 | Dagmar | I like running them down. :) |
| 08:58.41 | Dagmar | We had two DPSers bobble it at the dismount and die, so two paladins and me trying to kill those guys |
| 08:58.58 | Dagmar | It very clearly hit a balance point right then and there |
| 08:59.17 | Dagmar | We were blazing away on them for a WHILE and then that timer thing happened |
| 08:59.18 | ZorbaTHut | I, as the tank, managed to botch the jousting part and get knocked off, then nearly killed running back to get another horse |
| 08:59.32 | ZorbaTHut | so we finish jousting, we jump off our horses, I switch gear, I get oneshot by a boss because I was at like 10% health |
| 08:59.41 | Dagmar | Yeah I don't know if some would consider it kosher, but if you can, just change mounts early |
| 09:00.23 | Dagmar | Keeping them in the middle of the room helps, too |
| 09:00.40 | Dagmar | ...because if they get up, you've got a lot more time to go trample them |
| 09:01.45 | Dagmar | THe number of puggers I see ignore the stream of "Immune" floating off Paletress is another giggler |
| 09:02.28 | Dagmar | Anyone not just spamming a key would generally go "Hmm... big scary thing just appeared. Maybe I should shoot it instead" |
| 09:03.27 | krka | aww, it's sad to realize that my old code for clipping textures and for drawing lines is redundant in the recent wow ui environment. also no more need for manual zooming since :SetScale http://pastey.net/120065 |
| 09:03.49 | Dagmar | Yeah but look at it this way... that's code you no longer have to maintain |
| 09:03.59 | Dagmar | You can do other stuff instead |
| 09:04.38 | ZorbaTHut | did they add new line-drawing code? |
| 09:06.17 | bluspacecow | O_O i fail .... |
| 09:06.28 | bluspacecow | my dk has no glyphs for my tank spec |
| 09:07.37 | Wobin | http://vimeo.com/5758269 |
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| 09:09.56 | Dagmar | OKay. That is _messed up_ |
| 09:10.15 | bluspacecow | hmmmmmm? |
| 09:10.30 | Dagmar | The vimeo video |
| 09:10.53 | krka | ZorbaTHut: well, not sure, but there is atleast better ways than how i did it there now |
| 09:10.58 | krka | you can rotate textures and stuff for one thing |
| 09:11.32 | ZorbaTHut | ah, true |
| 09:11.41 | ZorbaTHut | I implemented arbitrary triangle drawing in QH :D that was . . . fun |
| 09:12.17 | Wobin | Dagmar: watch the second one as well =) |
| 09:12.28 | Wobin | Super Baozi is my hero! |
| 09:13.15 | krka | ZorbaTHut: do you have polygon filling too? |
| 09:13.20 | krka | or are they prerendered? |
| 09:13.25 | ZorbaTHut | krka, yeah, solid arbitrary triangle |
| 09:13.31 | krka | cool |
| 09:13.45 | ZorbaTHut | I don't do ingame polygon triangulation, I do that out of game during my build step |
| 09:13.45 | krka | i am pondering making a navigation addon using navigation meshes |
| 09:13.52 | krka | yeah, but rendering |
| 09:14.00 | ZorbaTHut | yep, rendering |
| 09:14.16 | krka | would be nice to have polygon rendering when editing the navigation mesh |
| 09:14.24 | ZorbaTHut | http://media.curse.com/Curse.Projects.ProjectImages/4922/16341/WoWScrnShot_072809_155251.jpg |
| 09:14.40 | krka | cool |
| 09:14.54 | ZorbaTHut | I've wanted to do navigation meshes for QH, but I suspect there would be major performance issues |
| 09:14.57 | krka | is that some sort of convex hull around points of data for the apperance? |
| 09:15.02 | bluspacecow | anyone know a good site for death knight tanks ? |
| 09:15.21 | krka | don't think QH would really benefit from that |
| 09:15.21 | ZorbaTHut | QH already spends far too long doing pathfinding and not path optimizing, I don't want to make that even worse :/ |
| 09:15.28 | bluspacecow | they moved 17 talents around in my spec so i have no idea which s the best now :( |
| 09:15.32 | krka | how does it do path finding btw? |
| 09:15.34 | bluspacecow | tanking is my Dk's off spec btw |
| 09:15.35 | ZorbaTHut | it'd definitely benefit, I'd love to be able to give more useful paths |
| 09:15.38 | ZorbaTHut | just might be too slow |
| 09:15.44 | krka | i am assuming it tries straight lines + flight paths? |
| 09:15.47 | ZorbaTHut | it's not a convex hull, I just trace the perimeter when I finish generating stuff |
| 09:16.10 | ZorbaTHut | straight lines in each zone, flightpaths. it's basically a brute-force BFS, one-to-many since I'm usually tracing paths to many outputs |
| 09:16.12 | krka | btw, why does the QH arrow update so slow when completing a quest? |
| 09:16.27 | ZorbaTHut | I've never been convinced that A* would work properly |
| 09:16.29 | krka | i understand that rerouting takes time, but quest updates should be instant |
| 09:16.58 | ZorbaTHut | there's a bug in that WoW seems to consume the quest items before it completes the quest, so there's frequently a brief flash of "oh shit the objectives aren't actually complete" |
| 09:17.13 | ZorbaTHut | QH sometimes takes that opportunity to queue up inserting those nodes, which is slow |
| 09:17.21 | krka | i see |
| 09:17.33 | ZorbaTHut | I need to just make it a little less eager to re-add objectives that were already complete, I just haven't done so yet |
| 09:17.51 | ZorbaTHut | it's possible there's other bugs as well, but that's the big one I've noticed |
| 09:18.34 | krka | i also considered using A* for navigation, but i also suspected it would break with flight paths / portals |
| 09:18.50 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, that's the big issue with A* |
| 09:19.05 | ZorbaTHut | if I had an invariant that would work well, I'd have already solved the path |
| 09:19.17 | krka | <3 triangle inequality, too bad it doesn't hold when portaling or moving at other speeds |
| 09:19.27 | ZorbaTHut | I suspect BFS isn't too bad for my purposes though |
| 09:19.32 | krka | bfs rocks |
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| 09:20.01 | krka | i suspect you don't use BFS though, but a priority based solution sorted by time spent |
| 09:20.09 | ZorbaTHut | really I need to sit down and profile things seriously, but I hate WoW's gnarly "profiler support", it's absolutely terrible |
| 09:20.18 | krka | bfs doesn't consider the cost between nodes |
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| 09:20.35 | Nihlo | morning...anyone here from prat 3.0 or spam sentry ? |
| 09:20.36 | ZorbaTHut | alright, yeah, it's closer to dijkstra's |
| 09:20.37 | krka | if you have few nodes, bfs isn't bad enough at all |
| 09:20.50 | krka | right |
| 09:21.16 | krka | you should have few nodes though, just player position, outputs and flight paths |
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| 09:21.53 | ZorbaTHut | interzone links number in the hundreds, so do flight paths |
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| 09:22.21 | krka | interzone links? |
| 09:22.35 | krka | are those really necessary? |
| 09:22.41 | ZorbaTHut | and on my current main, I've got 55 objectives overall |
| 09:23.06 | ZorbaTHut | they are if I don't want to route someone from Darkshore to Winterspring straight through Hyjal |
| 09:23.10 | krka | a few hundred nodes is nothing for a bfs :) |
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| 09:23.36 | krka | well, it's not really a routing for a plain run, more of a "get to this point" |
| 09:23.45 | krka | and used as an estimate of cost |
| 09:24.13 | ZorbaTHut | I actually need the as-the-player-walks route so I can show the marching ants properly |
| 09:24.16 | Elkano | krka, doesn't LibTourist calculate routes from a to b? |
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| 09:24.32 | ZorbaTHut | (one reason I'd love more detailed routing, so it could go along paths and stuff and avoid in-zone walls) |
| 09:24.44 | krka | Elkano: no idea, i am badly aware of what addons exist |
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| 09:27.22 | Wobin | cool |
| 09:27.28 | Wobin | 100 ZP episodes |
| 09:27.54 | Elkano | well, krka, check that lib then :) |
| 09:27.57 | bluspacecow | ZP > |
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| 09:28.14 | Wobin | I do like the complete theme song music though |
| 09:28.20 | ZorbaTHut | anyone know what the 3.2 PTR version was? 0.2? |
| 09:28.23 | ZorbaTHut | 0.2.0, I mean? |
| 09:29.27 | krka | Elkano: yeah seems like it has some sort of pathing between zones |
| 09:29.32 | krka | at a high level |
| 09:29.52 | krka | based on how safe a zone is, apparently |
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| 09:36.18 | Nihlo | morning...anyone here from prat 3.0 or spam sentry ? |
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| 09:47.52 | Industrial | ~asktoask |
| 09:47.53 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
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| 09:59.05 | ReAn | kinda off topic, but anyone lurking creative w/ web design? |
| 10:16.19 | widgertick | ReAn: What's up? |
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| 10:53.12 | Cruciformer | mikk: ping |
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| 11:33.56 | Wobin | So. |
| 11:34.01 | sacarasc | .oS |
| 11:34.04 | Kalroth | So-so. |
| 11:34.13 | Wobin | That 'give the shield to the tauren in TB' quest is just so people read the new lore? |
| 11:34.37 | Kalroth | It's to sucker people with HS on cooldown to get stuck in Mulgore. |
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| 11:35.25 | sacarasc | But now they can get back to Durotar! |
| 11:35.29 | Wobin | As an inscriptionist shaman with the Astral Recall glyph, I laugh at your 'HS cooldown' |
| 11:35.44 | Aelobin | xD |
| 11:38.27 | Cruciformer | I absolutely hate blizzard's "autocomplete" implementation |
| 11:39.12 | Cruciformer | I want to go back to Prat's tab completion. Can I disable the blizzard crap? |
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| 11:52.51 | Fisker | The thing in the new raid instance about only having 50 tries is only for the hardmode (heroic) instance right? |
| 11:53.15 | Cruciformer | I believe so yes |
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| 12:01.19 | Industrial | retarded impales on the achieve in gundrak |
| 12:01.21 | Industrial | 7 times me |
| 12:01.22 | Industrial | 5 times another |
| 12:01.25 | Industrial | 0 times someone else |
| 12:01.26 | Industrial | :| |
| 12:02.01 | zenzio | sometimes only the pretty people get impaled |
| 12:02.49 | Cruciformer | there are SO many places I could take that zenzio but Iw ont :P |
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| 12:08.26 | Wobin | Industrial: yeah, I hate that achievement |
| 12:09.14 | Cruciformer | anyone know the itemid for the new badges? |
| 12:09.38 | Pneu^ | Cruciformer: which ones in particular? |
| 12:10.10 | Pneu^ | 47241 is emblem of triumph |
| 12:10.12 | Cruciformer | the emblem of triumph .. I think I found it ... 47241 |
| 12:10.19 | Cruciformer | ya ty |
| 12:18.25 | Industrial | zenzio: o/ \o |
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| 12:28.11 | bluspacecow | *jumps into Fisker's arms* |
| 12:28.14 | bluspacecow | Hold me :( |
| 12:32.22 | bluspacecow | yet another wowmatrix thread :( |
| 12:35.36 | Arrowmaster | i dont see it |
| 12:35.51 | bluspacecow | its on wowinterface |
| 12:36.23 | bluspacecow | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26107 |
| 12:39.40 | bluspacecow | damn curse addon update emails late again |
| 12:41.12 | Arrowmaster | Shirik has been insulted |
| 12:41.40 | bluspacecow | yes he has |
| 12:41.46 | bluspacecow | "doesn't know what hes doing" |
| 12:41.48 | bluspacecow | pffft |
| 12:42.04 | Arrowmaster | bluspacecow: oh actually it was Shirik that discovered you could get the code from the memory, i just kept doing it after he did it once |
| 12:42.18 | bluspacecow | thats like telling a mechanic hes incomptent for quoting 2 days to replace an engine |
| 12:42.24 | bluspacecow | oh want me to modify it ? |
| 12:42.36 | Arrowmaster | you dont have to |
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| 12:43.10 | Arrowmaster | every forum post reguarding that mentions me anyway |
| 12:43.57 | bluspacecow | i mis-underestimated the server down time for tonight |
| 12:44.09 | bluspacecow | thought it was tomorrow so upgraded my os x to 10.5.8 |
| 12:44.21 | bluspacecow | with the apporiate backing up , research and pre install rituals |
| 12:44.34 | bluspacecow | *appopriate |
| 12:44.54 | bluspacecow | *appropriate |
| 12:45.45 | bluspacecow | But its now so i've got just over an hr to kill |
| 12:45.50 | bluspacecow | might go buy a pie |
| 12:46.08 | Arrowmaster | i wonder what my bandwidth usage was last night |
| 12:46.16 | bluspacecow | i is getting hungry ... WTB butter chicken pie! |
| 12:46.19 | Arrowmaster | i think i installed debian atleast 4 times |
| 12:47.12 | bluspacecow | may install went fine except for some monkey who designed the install script to launch a seperate process to write each of the code signature files in teh receipts in the receipts folders |
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| 12:47.23 | bluspacecow | my process numbers were up to 9000 by the time it ended ! |
| 12:47.49 | Arrowmaster | i still need to do more installs |
| 12:47.55 | Arrowmaster | probably atleast 2 |
| 12:48.08 | bluspacecow | how many computers do you have left ? |
| 12:48.11 | bluspacecow | to do |
| 12:48.18 | Arrowmaster | its all on the same computer |
| 12:48.41 | Arrowmaster | dmraid+lvm2+ext4+grub2 does not go well together |
| 12:49.04 | dardack_ | so what's this maintenance for? |
| 12:49.14 | bluspacecow | idk |
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| 12:49.29 | bluspacecow | theres hot fixs in the realm status forums |
| 12:49.37 | bluspacecow | and there have been reports |
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| 12:49.40 | dardack | hmmm my realm is back up |
| 12:49.41 | bluspacecow | of people not being able to connect |
| 12:49.43 | bluspacecow | and lag |
| 12:49.49 | dardack | well lag yea |
| 12:49.53 | dardack | and no new boss in voa |
| 12:49.53 | bluspacecow | oh rly? |
| 12:50.02 | bluspacecow | what realm and battle group ? |
| 12:51.09 | Cruciformer | and hopefully a hotfix for the trash in XT-002 |
| 12:51.44 | Cruciformer | bluspacecow: on greymane(US) there was no new VoA boss. |
| 12:52.04 | bluspacecow | oh :( |
| 12:54.04 | Pneu^ | VoA boss allegedly isnt being put in till s7 starts |
| 12:54.13 | Pneu^ | due to it dropping s7 gear and all |
| 12:55.00 | Cruciformer | that makes sense |
| 12:55.06 | bluspacecow | whats the name for those big under guard thingys in undercity ? |
| 12:57.36 | Wobin | abominations? |
| 12:57.45 | bluspacecow | ty wobin |
| 12:58.00 | bluspacecow | *finishs paragraph* |
| 12:58.04 | bluspacecow | "I happen to like wandering around the game in a daze , wanting to go visit a particular area to see IDK the nice trees in the area or the happy cheerful ravenous wolves over this way a bit. Or maybe the bavarian looking abominations of icecrown (but will they sing for me?)." |
| 12:58.32 | foxlit | There's something horribly wrong. |
| 12:58.42 | Wobin | you're out of chocolate? |
| 12:58.43 | bluspacecow | with ? |
| 12:58.50 | foxlit | The paragraph. |
| 12:59.03 | bluspacecow | *nod* *nod* |
| 12:59.07 | bluspacecow | thats just me |
| 13:02.00 | foxlit | Pages still popping up "you can't right click here, this is bat country!" alerts need to be put down. |
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| 13:05.07 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/awww.png |
| 13:06.09 | bluspacecow | kitties ! |
| 13:08.14 | Arrowmaster | those are ferrets |
| 13:08.24 | Wobin | foxlit: How can you disparage Fear And Loathing quotes? =P |
| 13:08.33 | Wobin | aren't ferret younglings called kits? |
| 13:10.04 | Cruciformer | that is almost unbearably cute |
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| 13:12.56 | Wobin | All ferrets are unbearably cute when asleep |
| 13:13.13 | Wobin | that's cause they're not causing chaos =) |
| 13:13.32 | Cruciformer | not as cute as a chinchilla persian sleeping on its back sunning its tummy with all 4 in the air |
| 13:13.57 | Cruciformer | never did see the atraction of rodents as pets |
| 13:14.56 | bluspacecow | curse working for anyone else ? |
| 13:15.20 | Cruciformer | it was slower than evolution the last time I tried but it did work |
| 13:15.31 | Cruciformer | but its not now, no. |
| 13:15.38 | bluspacecow | oh well i come back later |
| 13:15.51 | Arrowmaster | curse still gets overloaded on bandwidth |
| 13:15.52 | Cruciformer | at least not my.curse.com dunno about the main pages |
| 13:16.01 | bluspacecow | thought they fixed that |
| 13:16.13 | Arrowmaster | but atleast its not like it was years ago when it was the servers dying under the load |
| 13:16.45 | Wobin | hm |
| 13:16.56 | Wobin | I should only send timtams in the mail when it's not summer |
| 13:17.11 | Arrowmaster | 9am, i go sleep now |
| 13:17.13 | bluspacecow | lolz 2nd multiple page castrandom ive seen today |
| 13:17.30 | Wobin | omg, what did they do to castrandom!?!?! |
| 13:17.39 | Wobin | !?!? |
| 13:17.40 | Wobin | ! |
| 13:17.41 | bluspacecow | wait *counts* |
| 13:17.57 | Wobin | ! |
| 13:18.04 | bluspacecow | 7 posts on first page |
| 13:18.10 | bluspacecow | wait this is news to you Wobin ? |
| 13:18.15 | Wobin | no =P |
| 13:18.23 | Wobin | well, I don't know the specifics, but I guessed them |
| 13:18.33 | bluspacecow | basically they changed the coding for it |
| 13:18.47 | bluspacecow | so it will randomly pick a spell in the cast random chain |
| 13:19.00 | Wobin | as... opposed to... |
| 13:19.04 | bluspacecow | and continue to cast it until succesfully even if on Cooldown |
| 13:19.11 | Wobin | oh =) |
| 13:19.12 | bluspacecow | the last step it didnt do before |
| 13:19.14 | Wobin | interesting |
| 13:19.34 | Wobin | no more abusing castrandom for multi-cooldown spells, eh |
| 13:19.39 | bluspacecow | yep |
| 13:19.49 | bluspacecow | "I can't believe someone just admitted they bound kidney shot and gouge to the same /castrandom macro." |
| 13:19.50 | foxlit | http://www.nytimes.com//interactive/2009/07/31/business/20080801-metrics-graphic.html?ref=business |
| 13:19.52 | bluspacecow | ow ow ow |
| 13:20.01 | bluspacecow | i dont play a rogue and even I know that hurts |
| 13:20.06 | Wobin | bluspacecow: that's kinda.. terrible |
| 13:20.36 | Wobin | foxlit: that's a cool looking graph |
| 13:20.59 | foxlit | I was going to make a comment about the level of education and time spent working |
| 13:21.03 | foxlit | But that's not actually what it shows. |
| 13:21.33 | bluspacecow | it looks like a boob |
| 13:21.35 | bluspacecow | boobies ! |
| 13:21.51 | Wobin | the level doesn't affect -how- much they work, it seems |
| 13:22.20 | foxlit | It's the percentage of people who spend a particular time slice working |
| 13:22.38 | foxlit | Which isn't actually that interesting |
| 13:23.10 | Wobin | well, the whole graph isn't good for comparison across the types, really |
| 13:23.23 | Wobin | but the drill down is a bit better for that |
| 13:23.46 | foxlit | "1% of the unemployed spend (time) working" |
| 13:23.56 | bluspacecow | http://www.innocentenglish.com/cute-animals/cute-baby-kittens-puppies-img/cute-furry-fluffball-pet-img80.jpg |
| 13:24.00 | bluspacecow | its a doggie |
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| 13:24.17 | Wobin | it... is? |
| 13:24.27 | Wobin | looks like a bunny |
| 13:24.31 | Wobin | with that nose |
| 13:25.34 | bluspacecow | i think it might be a bunny |
| 13:25.51 | Fisker | is the only difference between 25 and 25 (heroic) in the argent tournament instance that you have 50 tries on heroic? |
| 13:27.22 | foxlit | I'm sure there's a balance difference. |
| 13:27.25 | bluspacecow | hmmm did they change the name of the questlog frame ? |
| 13:27.28 | foxlit | There wouldn't be much point otherwise. |
| 13:27.42 | bluspacecow | it's not QuestLogListScrollFrame anymore ? |
| 13:27.54 | foxlit | "Boss hits Fisker for peanuts." vs "Boss instantly kills Fisker." |
| 13:27.55 | Cruciformer | bluspacecow: I dont think so as there are now 2 frames |
| 13:28.10 | Wobin | s/hits/hits on/ |
| 13:28.20 | Cruciformer | cartographer_questinfo failed becuase of it |
| 13:28.25 | bluspacecow | hmmm any clue what its called then ? I want to check monkeyquest to make sure its got the right variable names before logging in |
| 13:28.52 | Cruciformer | one sec lemme get to the framexml code |
| 13:28.54 | Wobin | wow, monkeyquest |
| 13:29.36 | foxlit | http://homepage.mac.com/joester5/art/gmail.html |
| 13:29.42 | foxlit | There's something awesome about |
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| 13:29.57 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:31.07 | bluspacecow | hahahahhahahhahaha |
| 13:32.31 | bluspacecow | brb guys hungry for a pie.... Cruciformer ty for whatever you were looking up for me i'll have a look at it when i get back :) |
| 13:33.04 | Vilkku | any clue if tekkub has plans to update quelevel? |
| 13:33.14 | Cruciformer | its called QuestFrame now AFAICT |
| 13:33.41 | Cruciformer | foxlit: thats ... counter-productive. |
| 13:34.07 | Cruciformer | also more than a little bit cheap imho. |
| 13:34.36 | Cruciformer | gmail is a free service that relies on ad revenue. If you try to foil attempts to gather revenue you are just fucking things up for many people if the service ever gos away. |
| 13:35.34 | Cruciformer | if you dont want gmail ads, pop your mail using thunderbird. but if you are using their servers and doing it through their bandwidth using a browser, do the right hting and let them display ads. they are highly non-intrusive anyway. |
| 13:35.53 | Cruciformer | </rant> |
| 13:36.03 | Adys | you can always make a donation. |
| 13:36.20 | Vilkku | Cruciformer: "its called QuestFrame now AFAICT" <- directed at me? |
| 13:36.21 | Adys | (no but really I agree) |
| 13:36.32 | Cruciformer | Vilkku: no at bluspacecow |
| 13:36.40 | Vilkku | gotcha |
| 13:38.01 | foxlit | Sigh. Here was I thinking that the juxtaposition of "Hey dude, you're really cool! Keep up the good work. Love, Joe" and the trailing string would cause a chuckle. |
| 13:38.30 | Adys | silly you |
| 13:38.33 | Cruciformer | 13:29 < foxlit> affixing "PS. Sucide death 9/11 murder" to messages to block ads. |
| 13:38.43 | Cruciformer | implied you were going to affix it to your mail to block ads :) |
| 13:39.07 | Adys | or you could just use adblock or something |
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| 13:39.38 | foxlit | Cruciformer: silly implication. |
| 13:40.02 | Cruciformer | just a matter of syntax. if thats not what you were saying consider rant > /dev/null :) |
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| 13:42.09 | foxlit | I do wonder how purl is going to handle logging that. |
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| 13:42.34 | foxlit | The original line was space-prefixed, so it shouldn't appear there, but I do wonder what it does with people subsequently quoting it. |
| 13:43.39 | Adys | purl doesn't log messages with leading spaces? |
| 13:44.01 | Wobin | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5971580/Bubble-maker-aims-for-giant-record.html |
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| 13:45.31 | Adys | "Being a bubbleologist is ..." |
| 13:45.36 | Adys | suicide time |
| 13:46.04 | Mikk | Cruciformer: pong |
| 13:46.17 | Adys | Mikk: pong |
| 13:46.21 | Cruciformer | mikk: small suggestion for CTL |
| 13:46.56 | Wobin | hehe |
| 13:46.59 | Cruciformer | mikk: For those cases where it neds to lend large bunches of data, have the possibility to register a callback that will both measure progress and be notified when the whole lot has been sent. |
| 13:47.01 | Wobin | this is awesome: http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=47521 |
| 13:47.36 | Mikk | Cruciformer: as in "call me back when there's nothing more to be sent in this (named?) queue"? |
| 13:47.50 | alestane | I'm on the verge of taking a four-day vacation from the forum to let the /castrandom stuff die down. |
| 13:48.01 | Cruciformer | something like that. or "call me back each time an actual message is sent and what percentage of the total broken up message has ben transmitted" |
| 13:48.34 | Mikk | scratches his nose |
| 13:48.36 | Cruciformer | and then a final call when the last part of a multipart has been sent so I can report "Its all done sending" to the user. |
| 13:48.45 | Mikk | How about being able to poll the size of a queue? |
| 13:48.55 | Mikk | I'm assuming this is some sort of progressbar thingy? |
| 13:49.04 | Cruciformer | I think a callback would be more useful than a poll personally |
| 13:49.12 | Mikk | Mmmm and bigger :P |
| 13:49.14 | Cruciformer | not necessarily altho thats one use |
| 13:49.42 | Cruciformer | but like this sync info I am sending for my mod. It would eb useful to be able to say "sync still in progress" or "sync done" |
| 13:50.19 | Mikk | I've also had requests to nuke a queue |
| 13:50.35 | Cruciformer | I can imagine that being useful too |
| 13:51.18 | Cruciformer | but a simple callback should be very lightweight. You know the size of a queue, you know how much its sent, so a simple callback with 2 parms: total size and total sent, each time you send a chunk, would be very useful |
| 13:51.31 | Lukian | hmm something is making my questlog doublewide since the patch :$ wonder which addon it is |
| 13:51.34 | Mikk | It's more a case of having to embed CallbackHandler =) |
| 13:51.46 | Cruciformer | no nothing that complex at all |
| 13:51.46 | Mikk | Lukian: base UI |
| 13:51.56 | Lukian | lol really? |
| 13:52.00 | Cruciformer | have the send function take a single extra arg that is a function |
| 13:52.18 | Mikk | Oooh okay, you mean for a single message |
| 13:52.20 | Cruciformer | and you store that function in the queue. callbackhandler would be way overkill. |
| 13:52.35 | Lukian | Mikk, is there an option to change it back? |
| 13:52.37 | Mikk | Yeah I can do that without pcalling even |
| 13:52.42 | Mikk | Lukian: not as far as i know |
| 13:52.50 | Mikk | Why would you want that though? oO |
| 13:52.55 | Mikk | Doublewide is sex |
| 13:53.04 | Lukian | I use FramesResized :> |
| 13:53.06 | Cruciformer | possibly allow the user to specify an arg that gets passed to the function as well |
| 13:53.08 | Lukian | quite happy with it |
| 13:53.11 | Wobin | http://tywkiwdbi.blogspot.com/2009/08/man-recites-jabberwocky-in-single.html |
| 13:53.22 | Vilkku | any shaman using bartender? I can't for the love of god how to cast all the totems at the same time :P |
| 13:53.56 | Lukian | having a huge questlog over my gameworld annoys me |
| 13:53.57 | Wobin | Vilkku: have you got the latest version? |
| 13:53.57 | Wobin | and learnt the spells? |
| 13:53.57 | Vilkku | Wobin, yeah |
| 13:53.57 | Vilkku | oh |
| 13:53.57 | Mikk | Cruciformer: digging source |
| 13:53.57 | Vilkku | that migth be it :P |
| 13:54.02 | Vilkku | didn't think of that :P |
| 13:54.04 | Wobin | yeah, that's been tripping up a lot of us =) |
| 13:54.39 | Cruciformer | seems like adding "userfn" and "userfnarg" to ctl:SendChatMessage as optional last args would do the trick |
| 13:57.52 | Cruciformer | mikk: hang on a second I realised I got two libraries totally confused. |
| 13:57.55 | bluspacecow | big red kitty tribute ? |
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| 13:58.22 | Cruciformer | its AceComm that needs the callbacks for big multipart messages not chatthrottlelib |
| 13:58.35 | Wobin | bluspacecow: yeah |
| 13:58.56 | Mikk | Yeah but acecomm doesn't know. CTL does. But it doesn't do the splitting. |
| 13:58.57 | Mikk | Whee. |
| 13:59.07 | Mikk | HOWEVER |
| 13:59.13 | Mikk | thinks |
| 13:59.17 | Cruciformer | CTL doesn't deal with teh multipart stuff at all. No its acecomm that does the multipart splitting |
| 13:59.29 | Mikk | CTL could have a supersimple stupid callback |
| 13:59.33 | Mikk | That AceComm sets |
| 13:59.40 | Mikk | thinks |
| 14:00.12 | Cruciformer | for what I was thinking about its really in acecomm's domain, ctl is a lower level than this would require |
| 14:00.23 | Mikk | It needs work in CTL |
| 14:00.27 | Mikk | Since that's what does the queueing |
| 14:00.38 | Mikk | AceComm has no way of knowing when the message is actually pushed out the wire |
| 14:00.50 | Cruciformer | ah yeah true |
| 14:01.38 | Cruciformer | acecomm could pass the handler to ctl, which would call it as each "chunk" is sent |
| 14:01.51 | Cruciformer | and if you are using ctl directly, you pass the handler yourself |
| 14:01.51 | Mikk | quite |
| 14:02.07 | Mikk | But at AceComm levels it still feels a bit... too simplistic |
| 14:02.12 | Mikk | To just have it at end of message |
| 14:02.23 | Mikk | sigh phone brb |
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| 14:05.50 | zenzelezz | sighPhone, the iPhone generally unknown third cousin |
| 14:06.31 | Cruciformer | mikk: No I envision it being called for each chunk. Tell you what, why dont you leave the idea with me for a while. I will hack up a proposed solution to what I mean and send you the diffs. |
| 14:07.32 | Cruciformer | sighPhone is myPhone's sister right? |
| 14:07.49 | Mikk | Cruciformer: well I'm sure you know what YOU want. I'm trying to think Bigger Picture =) |
| 14:08.15 | Cruciformer | Mikk: me too ... leave it with me regardless. If you doint like what I do all it cost you was the time to review the diffs :) |
| 14:08.16 | Mikk | (And I've been designing APIs for .... longer than I care to admit :< ) |
| 14:08.21 | Mikk | hehe |
| 14:08.23 | Cruciformer | me too :) |
| 14:08.41 | cog|away | Anyone want free LOTRO time? The Mrs. and I are looking to start up trial accounts. ;) http://www.lotro.com/news/442-refer-a-friend-and-earn-free-game-time |
| 14:08.43 | Mikk | Okay how about this |
| 14:08.53 | bluspacecow | Mrs ? |
| 14:08.54 | Mikk | CTL obviously needs some form of simplistic callback to solve this |
| 14:08.59 | Cruciformer | I just did an svn update on acecomm and its embedded ctl isnt up to date with what you posted yesterday, can you possibly fix that? |
| 14:09.14 | bluspacecow | cog has a Mrs ? |
| 14:09.23 | cog|away | bluspacecow: didn't we have this convo a few weeks ago? :P |
| 14:09.29 | Mikk | I think we're in violent agreement on how to do that callback |
| 14:09.46 | Mikk | So the question remains what AceComm needs to do |
| 14:10.09 | Wobin | cog|away: sure, I'll refer you |
| 14:10.12 | Mikk | Have a similar callback, that only fires when the last chunk has gone out? |
| 14:10.17 | bluspacecow | mabe |
| 14:10.33 | Mikk | Or have a more involved callback that can notify you about queue sizes growing and shrinking? |
| 14:10.37 | Wobin | cog|away: although I dunno if my account is still active |
| 14:10.42 | Cruciformer | mikk: I think we'renot on quite the same page here. |
| 14:10.49 | Cruciformer | May I start from teh get-go? |
| 14:10.50 | Mikk | Then we better straighten it out :P |
| 14:10.52 | Mikk | Go |
| 14:10.57 | cog|away | Wobin: well, you can give it a try :) |
| 14:11.08 | Cruciformer | CTl gets a callback, very simple, that says "this chunk has been sent" |
| 14:11.15 | Mikk | Yep |
| 14:11.23 | Cruciformer | you pass it a function and an arg, it calls that function with that arg |
| 14:11.27 | Mikk | Yep |
| 14:11.41 | Cruciformer | acecomm gets 2 new arguments to its send function, a callback function and an arg |
| 14:12.00 | Cruciformer | for each chunk that it sends out to CTL, it passes that function and arg the user passed |
| 14:12.01 | bleeter | http://www.digibarn.com/collections/screenshots/xerox-star-8010/index.html |
| 14:13.00 | Mikk | So the user gets 1--N callbacks with the same arg? |
| 14:13.00 | Cruciformer | -OR- it passes an internal function to CTL as the "callback" with the "arg" containing a table with the user's callback function, arg, how many total bytes to send and how many have been sent |
| 14:13.14 | Mikk | Okay that makes more sense |
| 14:13.46 | Cruciformer | yes. the user function would look something like: mycallbackfunction (myarg, total_to_be_sent, how_many_bytes_sent-so_far) |
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| 14:14.03 | Cruciformer | where the first is user-supplied and the second supplied by acecomm |
| 14:14.16 | Cruciformer | (second and third args, sorry) |
| 14:14.33 | Mikk | i'd imagine they'd be both supplied by acecomm? |
| 14:15.04 | Cruciformer | yes ... the first is the user-supplied arg, the 2nd and 3rd supplied by acecomm, coz it knows which chunk its sending |
| 14:15.09 | Mikk | nods |
| 14:15.19 | Cruciformer | obviously the final chunk would have those two numbers equal |
| 14:15.23 | Mikk | Yep |
| 14:15.35 | Mikk | Yeah, this is one way of solving it. |
| 14:15.38 | bluspacecow | is that a copy of peggle i see ? |
| 14:16.06 | bleeter | btw, for those who hated my Unicode 5.1 demonstration... http://www.getdigital.de/products/scheiss_encoding/more/pic |
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| 14:16.50 | zenzelezz | bleeter: win |
| 14:16.51 | Cruciformer | Mikk: If you can update the acecomm embedded CTL, I'll code up a proposed solution |
| 14:17.09 | zenzelezz | just got my "I <?> Unicode" t-shirt the other day |
| 14:17.12 | Cruciformer | (I am guessing you have write privs over on wowace) |
| 14:17.23 | zenzelezz | except with the proper glyph which I couldn't bother looking up right now |
| 14:17.28 | Mikk | Cruciformer: You can work with the CTL project directly |
| 14:17.46 | Cruciformer | what's its svn? |
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| 14:18.07 | Mikk | svn://svn.wowace.com/wow/chatthrottlelib/mainline/trunk |
| 14:18.17 | bleeter | points Kalroth and Arrowmaster to http://www.getdigital.de/products/scheiss_encoding/more/pic (I'd point nevcairiel too but nowhere to be seen) |
| 14:18.40 | bleeter | zenzelezz: http://users.on.net/~bleeter/pix/non-functional-interrobangs-and-gnaborretnis.png ;) |
| 14:18.59 | Mikk | (The CTL update from last day was just a toc bump. Hence I couldn't be arsed to change embeds :)) |
| 14:19.32 | Kalroth | bleeter: why not just write scheiss on the shirt? like in the url! |
| 14:20.00 | Cruciformer | k I'll hack something up and when done I'llping you here for an email to send the diffs to |
| 14:20.19 | Cruciformer | then use/modify/ignore as you see fit |
| 14:20.25 | zenzelezz | because "scheiss" isn't the proper word |
| 14:21.35 | Mikk | orly? what IS the proper word? oO |
| 14:21.44 | bleeter | Oh god, the Dane and the Norweigian are about to argue encoding, I'm outta here ;) :P |
| 14:21.53 | zenzelezz | scheiß, I assume |
| 14:22.01 | Mikk | you're out of date =) |
| 14:22.11 | krka | alt-gr + s ftw! |
| 14:22.15 | Mikk | they're facing the ß out |
| 14:22.17 | Mikk | er |
| 14:22.18 | Mikk | phasing |
| 14:22.28 | Cruciformer | where is it I set env variables in vista? |
| 14:22.36 | zenzelezz | I've never been good at German; I base my assumption on the contents of the picture, not the URL |
| 14:22.39 | bleeter | Mikk: because of scheiß encoding :P |
| 14:22.39 | krka | what? ß is an awesome letter! |
| 14:23.30 | Vangual | scheibe |
| 14:23.40 | Mikk | Cruciformer: the dialog looks the same. it's just hidden away to make vista more user-friendly |
| 14:24.07 | Cruciformer | yeah Im trying to find where they hid it :) |
| 14:24.17 | Cruciformer | ah nvm I just did |
| 14:24.32 | zenzelezz | so environment variables are even more hidden away in Vista than they were in XP? |
| 14:25.10 | Cruciformer | only slightly. |
| 14:25.35 | Cruciformer | control-panel -> system ->advanced system settings -> Environment Variables |
| 14:26.43 | bleeter | 'coz environment vars are advanced |
| 14:26.54 | Cruciformer | they actually are for most users |
| 14:27.14 | zenzelezz | actually, that's pretty much the same route as in XP |
| 14:27.25 | Cruciformer | I am a "power user" and this vista install over a year and this is the first time Ive actually needed it |
| 14:27.53 | Cruciformer | zenzelezz: yeah its only very slightly changed by the appearance of the cpl->system window |
| 14:29.49 | Wobin | O HAI wobindwonderdog! |
| 14:29.50 | Wobin | Now you know how to greet people in Lolspeak! |
| 14:29.57 | Wobin | (God damn, you Flickr...) |
| 14:30.15 | bleeter | Wobin: MOAR DETAILED PROGRAMATTIC SPECIFICITY!!! |
| 14:30.56 | Cruciformer | i love the word specificity. not as much as I love the word schadenfreude but its still a cool word |
| 14:31.32 | Wobin | mostly cause it's so damn hard to say |
| 14:31.48 | Wobin | say it 5 times fast! |
| 14:31.49 | Cruciformer | which, specificity o schadenfreude? |
| 14:31.56 | Wobin | specificity |
| 14:32.08 | Cruciformer | thats easy to say fast,m try say "red leather yellow leather" 5 times fast |
| 14:32.29 | bleeter | 'programattic specificity' 5 times |
| 14:32.59 | Cruciformer | maybe im just a cunning linguist but that poses no problems for me, but red leather yellow leather does |
| 14:33.02 | bleeter | least the PM don't get around saying red leather yellow leather, at least in public |
| 14:33.11 | Wobin | red leather yellow leather is fine for me |
| 14:33.46 | Wobin | now try red leather letter, yellow leather letter |
| 14:33.46 | Cruciformer | youre a cunning linguist too then :P |
| 14:34.11 | Cruciformer | blah |
| 14:34.17 | Cruciformer | backt ot ctl for me my tongue is sore |
| 14:34.56 | Cruciformer | gah I have to change my gvim indent style from2 spaces |
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| 14:36.16 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: I'm not bothering with that thread, lol |
| 14:37.18 | Shirik | and yeah, bluspacecow, nobody likes to give me credit |
| 14:37.26 | Shirik | Arrowmaster stole my credit :( |
| 14:37.26 | bleeter | Shirik++ |
| 14:37.30 | bleeter | Arrowmaster-- |
| 14:37.31 | Shirik | which is probably a good thing anyway :P |
| 14:37.32 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 14:37.38 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.38 | Cruciformer | mikk: I have a question. Why do you bother setting msg.n when you can just use #msg? |
| 14:38.17 | Cruciformer | (or could if msg.f was always msg[1] |
| 14:38.47 | Cruciformer | minor nit, I'll focus on the callback :) |
| 14:40.19 | Shirik | Cruciformer: If you're talking about what I think you're talking about, you can't |
| 14:40.40 | Shirik | Let me guess: table is filled with a function and parameters? |
| 14:41.08 | Cruciformer | ya |
| 14:41.15 | Shirik | What if one of the parameters is nil? |
| 14:41.20 | Shirik | better yet, what if ALL of them are nil? |
| 14:41.36 | Shirik | nil is not the same as nothing |
| 14:42.00 | Mikk | Cruciformer: because you're not reading SendAddonMessage :P |
| 14:42.21 | Mikk | (I don't bother wiping tables when recycling them) |
| 14:42.27 | Cruciformer | yeah I was and forget I mentioned it :) |
| 14:43.19 | Kalroth | Mikk: so slack |
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| 14:43.39 | Mikk | s/slack/optimized/ |
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| 14:47.49 | Wobin | Mikk is the worst busboy ever |
| 14:48.03 | Wobin | so unhygenic =( |
| 14:48.36 | Mikk | And I never clean the recycling bins |
| 14:49.28 | mikma | jesus the Black Knight in ToC Heroic hits hard |
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| 14:49.40 | Mikk | Which tbh is a bad thing to do. The hash never shrinks back :< |
| 14:52.23 | Cruciformer | mikk: on its way. My editor also removes dead whitespace so a few lines that contains just a leading tab were removed as well |
| 14:53.41 | Mikk | Wobin: see i don't need to be hygienic. there's other willing to fix it for me! |
| 14:53.56 | Mikk | taking out the dead etc |
| 14:54.23 | Cruciformer | mikk: I wanna live where u live ... I tried and tried and couldnt find a dead-hooker-body-parts removal service |
| 14:54.55 | Mikk | i thought your editor did it for you? |
| 14:55.19 | Mikk | blames any and all confusion on Wobin |
| 14:55.25 | Cruciformer | No I am not running emacs ... I sure there is a hooker-remal.el out there somewhere |
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| 14:55.36 | Cruciformer | *hooker-removal.el |
| 14:57.05 | Cruciformer | get the mail mikk? First time Ive sent anything from that account |
| 14:57.10 | Mikk | Yeah I got it |
| 14:57.14 | Cruciformer | kk |
| 14:57.24 | Mikk | Now I'm only trying to figure out if subversion can patch a user-supplied diff |
| 14:57.34 | Mikk | Or if I need to dig out gnu tools |
| 14:57.57 | Cruciformer | do you have patch installed? |
| 14:58.08 | Cruciformer | you can simply patch -p0 < mikk.diff |
| 14:58.08 | Mikk | yeah i do |
| 14:58.11 | Mikk | nods |
| 14:58.20 | Mikk | i'm just being obstinate and expecting to find it in svn |
| 14:58.25 | Mikk | tortoisesvn specifically |
| 14:59.56 | Mikk | heh. it has a diff VIEWER. |
| 15:00.59 | Mikk | nah, gogo gnu tools |
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| 15:05.22 | Mikk | ohwait |
| 15:05.30 | Mikk | rightclick file -> TortoiseSVN -> Apply Patch |
| 15:05.34 | Mikk | you learn something new every day |
| 15:05.40 | Cruciformer | :) |
| 15:06.29 | Mikk | just needed to be actually rightclicking the .diff file |
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| 15:07.18 | Cruciformer | so it looks ok to you? |
| 15:07.33 | Mikk | no. you forgot to add the callbackFn and callbackArg args to SendAddonMessage :P |
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| 15:08.05 | Mikk | should write a test bench for CTL |
| 15:08.14 | Mikk | though I suppose I have one for AceComm... |
| 15:08.27 | Cruciformer | no I didnt? |
| 15:08.32 | Mikk | oO |
| 15:08.36 | Mikk | then the patch failed >.< |
| 15:08.53 | Cruciformer | oh wait u meant as function params oops yes I did |
| 15:08.58 | Mikk | =) |
| 15:09.14 | Mikk | i'm fixing another nit or two while i'm at this |
| 15:10.42 | Mikk | another nit with your patch |
| 15:10.48 | Mikk | when you're calling callbacks like that |
| 15:10.53 | Mikk | you should do it the very last thing you do |
| 15:10.57 | Mikk | since it might error |
| 15:11.01 | Mikk | (fixing that) |
| 15:12.46 | Cruciformer | pcall callbackFn? |
| 15:12.53 | Mikk | Unnecessary in this case, thankfully |
| 15:12.58 | Mikk | I just moved it last |
| 15:14.23 | Cruciformer | is pcall expensive? |
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| 15:17.34 | Cruciformer | just let me know when you're done and I'll update, when u r done will you update the mebedded ctl in acecomm so I can do teh acecomm portion? |
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| 15:18.00 | Mikk | you can start working with your changes to CTL |
| 15:18.12 | Mikk | just bump the version to like 20.5 in the file your edited |
| 15:18.35 | Mikk | I'm writing test cases for the new functionality before commiting |
| 15:18.57 | Mikk | (You don't need to change the CTL embedded in AceComm at all. It's a shared library.) |
| 15:19.19 | Mikk | (Unless the one you edited was the one in AceComm, obviously =)) |
| 15:19.52 | Cruciformer | ya but if someone has just acecomm checked out and is using just that, and they do an svn update, if acecomm is using the new functionality the embedded one will need to be up to date yes? |
| 15:21.01 | Mikk | Aye certainly |
| 15:21.19 | Mikk | I'm just saying.. you don't have to wait for me to continue working atm |
| 15:21.26 | Cruciformer | ah right |
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| 15:44.32 | Aqua | in wow, in lua, is there anyway to code a delay? |
| 15:45.11 | alestane | Depends what you mean. |
| 15:45.26 | nevcairiel | you cant "sleep" your code |
| 15:45.28 | Aqua | I'm trying to code a mass disenchant |
| 15:45.32 | alestane | There are various ways to schedule a task to happen in a certain amount of time. |
| 15:45.38 | nevcairiel | you need to use a callback using OnUpdate |
| 15:45.39 | Aqua | so i want to loop through my bags, and disenchant all the greens |
| 15:45.44 | alestane | Then probably not, since I think Disenchanting is protected. |
| 15:45.57 | Aqua | bah |
| 15:46.17 | alestane | But you could make a button that disenchanted one green in your bag, and the next time you clicked it, disenchanted the next thing. |
| 15:46.24 | Mikk | You need a secure button with an action that casts disenchant on the right item name / bag+slot |
| 15:46.31 | Mikk | And then click that button repeatedly |
| 15:46.54 | Mikk | would say something about G11/G15 keyboards here but that's probably against ToS... |
| 15:46.57 | Aqua | yea, see, tekhub has something similar in panda, which that functionality is great, I just wanted to expand and make a button that did a mass DE |
| 15:47.07 | Aqua | Mikk: too expensive for my tastes anyway |
| 15:47.36 | Mikk | Me & my better half both have G11 keyboards now. I LOVE them for their durability. |
| 15:47.45 | Mikk | G11 is a lot less expensive than G15 - no silly display |
| 15:47.45 | Lukian | makes a note that X server (linux) repeats keypresses when you hold down a key |
| 15:48.03 | Mikk | Lukian omg linux is a bot |
| 15:48.40 | Aqua | let me put it this way... last time i went narcoleptic I slammed my head against my keyboard so hard i broke it, and cut my head open |
| 15:49.02 | Mikk | G11 has no sharp edges :o) |
| 15:49.56 | Mikk | lurvs G11 |
| 15:50.11 | Duman | yeah I have the G11 - it's awesome :) |
| 15:50.22 | Aqua | fair enough |
| 15:50.27 | Aqua | a lot of people are sold on them apparently |
| 15:50.32 | Duman | altho I tend to only use the macro buttons for things like raid markers, heh |
| 15:50.41 | Mikk | Duman: same :o) |
| 15:51.31 | Mikk | The price seems to be around $50 for the G11 |
| 15:51.35 | Mikk | Very reasonable for the durability |
| 15:52.05 | Mikk | Sod knows I went through more money in cheap-ass keyboards after getting WoW in less time than I've had the G11 now |
| 15:52.19 | Mikk | Went through maybe 4 keyboards in the first 2 years |
| 15:52.32 | Mikk | Had the G11 for ... 2 and a halfish now? |
| 15:52.56 | Aqua | there is a pc recyle place in town, i give 2 bucks for a new keyboard in the box |
| 15:53.07 | Mikk | dur :P |
| 15:53.44 | Mikk | Oh, one benefit of G11 |
| 15:53.52 | Mikk | It doesn't have the 2x3 grid in odd places |
| 15:53.57 | Mikk | Or turn it into a 3x3 grid |
| 15:54.07 | Mikk | Or put the shutdown key where pause should be |
| 15:54.08 | Mikk | %&#¤#&¤%%& |
| 15:54.22 | Cruciformer | mikk: ok the acecomm diff on its way |
| 15:54.42 | Mikk | And of course the backlight is sweet in the night =) |
| 15:55.54 | Cruciformer | mikk: Im off to have pizza with friends, so if you have any comments etc mail me? |
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| 15:56.15 | Lunessa | station |
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| 15:56.46 | nicoli_s | pizza? but its not even noon |
| 15:56.55 | Cruciformer | its 6pm here |
| 15:57.00 | nicoli_s | lies! |
| 15:57.10 | Cruciformer | u r right its 5:56 |
| 15:57.10 | Mikk | it is indeed 6 pm |
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| 15:57.43 | nicoli_s | what crazy part of the world are yall in? |
| 15:57.44 | Wimpsy` | 5:57. :) |
| 15:57.52 | Cruciformer | south africa here |
| 15:57.56 | Mikk | sweden |
| 15:58.00 | Wimpsy` | Sweden. |
| 15:58.02 | nicoli_s | some undeveloped part of the world? aka not amurica! |
| 15:58.13 | Mikk | pff amurica doesnt have proper plumbing even |
| 15:58.24 | lozon | canada |
| 15:58.25 | Wimpsy` | bangs his head repeadetly against a wall. |
| 15:58.27 | Aqua | yea we do |
| 15:58.29 | nicoli_s | we have proper plumbing even on top of motherfucking mountins |
| 15:58.30 | Cruciformer | heh u evr driven through texas? thats pretty furkin underdeveloped :p |
| 15:58.32 | Aqua | all the shit runs to mexico... |
| 15:58.42 | Wimpsy` | Haha Cruciformer. :) |
| 15:58.46 | Mikk | lies. i've plugged no less than 3 toilets in the US. |
| 15:58.58 | Mikk | in different corners of the continent no less |
| 15:59.20 | lozon | America's internet networks or underdeveloped for sure. |
| 15:59.28 | nicoli_s | indeed :( |
| 15:59.29 | Cruciformer | anyway Im off to have pizza ... catch u later mikk |
| 15:59.33 | Aqua | Agreed |
| 15:59.38 | Mikk | idk, maybe swedes just have inordinarily powerful shits :P |
| 15:59.39 | Aqua | US needs fiber everywhere |
| 16:00.11 | Wimpsy` | Mikk: I sure as hell contribute quite a lot to those powerful shits. |
| 16:00.51 | Mikk | Whut, you work for some processed food company? =P |
| 16:02.06 | Wimpsy` | No, I just take heavy shits. :) |
| 16:02.16 | p3lim | ok, ive got an issue |
| 16:02.48 | amro | I was just going to eat. thanks. |
| 16:03.20 | Mikk | grins |
| 16:03.21 | p3lim | my diff in the git gui window is all messed up |
| 16:03.23 | p3lim | i use msysgit |
| 16:03.32 | p3lim | here is a picture: http://upload.snelhest.org/images/090806diff.jpg |
| 16:04.14 | p3lim | anyone got a clue? |
| 16:04.18 | NightHawkTheSane | im not sure how that's messed up. |
| 16:04.26 | nevcairiel | you lost all your newlines :p |
| 16:04.39 | p3lim | its way odd |
| 16:04.46 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, aside from that ^, the diff itself looks fine :P |
| 16:04.57 | p3lim | yeah, but it shouldnt be like that |
| 16:05.56 | p3lim | is there any way to fix that? |
| 16:07.03 | NightHawkTheSane | fix your line breaks in the file itself? |
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| 16:08.41 | p3lim | well, in the file it looks right |
| 16:10.14 | mikma | what's Defcap for Heroics? |
| 16:10.32 | Aqua | idk, i don't think there is one, you can't get crushed in heroics |
| 16:10.56 | nevcairiel | of course there is, its the 82 limit |
| 16:11.02 | p3lim | removed old file, made a new, fixed everything |
| 16:11.04 | p3lim | odd shit |
| 16:11.15 | Aqua | idk i don't tank |
| 16:11.24 | Mikk | mikma: 535? |
| 16:11.25 | Aqua | sorry i shoudlnt' have said anything |
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| 16:11.39 | Mikk | crush ≃ crit |
| 16:11.55 | Mikk | er.... that was a strange deadkey combo |
| 16:12.01 | NightHawkTheSane | Aqua: you can't get crushed unless you're fighting something 4+ levels above you, def is for crit immunity |
| 16:12.03 | Mikk | crush ~= crit was what i meant to say |
| 16:12.13 | Aqua | aye |
| 16:12.22 | lozon | you mean crush != crit ;) |
| 16:12.29 | Mikk | no, we speak Lua here :P |
| 16:12.33 | NightHawkTheSane | no, i think he means ~= |
| 16:12.33 | p3lim | i dont know the def cap, playing a druid myself, dont need to care for defense :) |
| 16:12.34 | lozon | hehe |
| 16:12.54 | Mikk | i'll never understand while they felt the need to use "~=" over "!=" but hey |
| 16:13.37 | alestane | "~" is logical negation. |
| 16:13.37 | Mikk | mikma: i want to say 535 but i'm still hazy. the correct answer is "raid defense minus 5" |
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| 16:13.51 | alestane | "~P" is read "not p". |
| 16:14.04 | Mikk | alestane: quite. but every script language and its dog uses "!=" |
| 16:14.06 | p3lim | now a question: |
| 16:14.06 | p3lim | how do I set a dropdown box's text? |
| 16:14.14 | Aqua | ^^ |
| 16:14.24 | alestane | Provided it is derived from C in some way, anyway. |
| 16:15.32 | nicoli_s | mikk:, cb.net doesnt use != |
| 16:15.35 | nicoli_s | vb.net* |
| 16:16.29 | Aqua | you sure |
| 16:16.31 | Aqua | ?\ |
| 16:16.44 | nevcairiel | vb.net is not something people consider a language |
| 16:16.45 | nevcairiel | sorry. |
| 16:17.15 | nicoli_s | except for the fact that id say a good portion of people in this room have used websites coded in vb.net at one time or another |
| 16:17.36 | NightHawkTheSane | Aqua: yes, vb.net uses <> |
| 16:17.38 | Aqua | php ftw... |
| 16:17.51 | mikma | mikk: is this a fact? :P |
| 16:17.54 | nicoli_s | i used to use php, after using asp.net id never go back |
| 16:18.09 | Aqua | herad a lot of people say that |
| 16:18.14 | alestane | Also, Lua was originally written primarily for geological engineers and other technical folks who had strong backgrounds in math but not necessarily in computing. |
| 16:18.19 | nicoli_s | just having a decent IDE and debugger is enough for me to switch |
| 16:18.29 | nicoli_s | not to mention theres just so much shit built into .net |
| 16:18.38 | Mikk | nicoli_s: well vb.net is fucking BASIC ... which is something I won't touch with a ten feet pole |
| 16:18.40 | NightHawkTheSane | I think some recent updates to vb.net have made it reasonably sane as a language. |
| 16:18.53 | nicoli_s | vb.net is the same as c#.net with just diff syntax |
| 16:19.03 | nevcairiel | its still stupid BASIC syntax |
| 16:19.05 | NightHawkTheSane | nicoli_s: well, not -quite- but damn close |
| 16:19.08 | nevcairiel | why would i use it over c# |
| 16:19.08 | nicoli_s | its compiles to the same bytecode |
| 16:19.16 | Aqua | see thats why i though != was the same as C# |
| 16:19.22 | svenadh | BASIC was great |
| 16:19.22 | Aqua | or you can use it atleast |
| 16:19.23 | nicoli_s | because you dont have to cast near as much shit nevcairiel |
| 16:19.25 | svenadh | (for it's time) |
| 16:19.32 | Mikk | i like casting |
| 16:19.35 | nevcairiel | i like explicit coding |
| 16:19.39 | Mikk | type safety is goooood |
| 16:19.39 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: (you wouldn't, really) |
| 16:20.04 | nevcairiel | implicit functionality only causes troubles |
| 16:20.17 | Mikk | "oops, my integer wasn't an integer. it was a string/nil/object/blah" |
| 16:20.36 | nevcairiel | especially in webdev, type safety stops alot of exploits |
| 16:20.55 | nicoli_s | yah but i mainly deal with database stuff, and vb.net makes it easier to do that c# |
| 16:21.06 | Lunessa | Yo can not dis the Great Nation of Texas. |
| 16:21.23 | Mikk | security error 101 in webdev: OMG NEED TO USE SQL. AND I BUILD QUERIES BY INSERTING USER SUPPLIED DATA. |
| 16:21.27 | Aqua | nicoli_s, like mysql or mssql? |
| 16:21.35 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: maybe not, but texas is neither great, nor a nation.. so we can still dis the pathetic state of texas ;) |
| 16:21.40 | nicoli_s | mssql |
| 16:21.45 | netcurse | our databases are in vb.net curse.com is in c# new curse client is in c# |
| 16:21.48 | svenadh | Mikk: of course without any checking |
| 16:21.54 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: Oh, it's on. Bring it! |
| 16:21.57 | Mikk | you shouldn't ever insert user data in queries, period |
| 16:22.02 | Mikk | you should use parameter queries |
| 16:22.09 | nevcairiel | databases written in vb.net? god beware =P |
| 16:22.13 | nicoli_s | i do mikk |
| 16:22.15 | netcurse | databases sites |
| 16:22.22 | netcurse | wardb aionarmory etc. |
| 16:22.25 | svenadh | nicoli_s: Mikk: me too :) |
| 16:22.26 | p3lim | anyone know how to set a dropdown box's text? |
| 16:22.45 | NightHawkTheSane | eh, when it comes to database interaction, vb & c# are basically the same |
| 16:22.48 | NightHawkTheSane | its all through .net libraries |
| 16:23.08 | Mikk | and ODBC! |
| 16:23.15 | nicoli_s | indeed, and those .net libraries are great and filled with built in functionality |
| 16:23.24 | NightHawkTheSane | indeed. |
| 16:23.34 | Aqua | i was writing something for schol and a buddy of mine was trying to convince me to use odbc and mysql versus mssql |
| 16:23.50 | svenadh | nicoli_s: what would a library without functionality be? |
| 16:23.59 | Mikk | plain file ftw! |
| 16:24.02 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 16:24.10 | NightHawkTheSane | ... an Ace library? :P |
| 16:24.13 | NightHawkTheSane | flees |
| 16:24.14 | svenadh | rofl |
| 16:25.50 | Wimpsy` | Haha. |
| 16:26.47 | Mikk | I'll still fondly look back at the ticketing system i wrote for work |
| 16:26.52 | Mikk | Plaintext files with an index file |
| 16:27.04 | Mikk | Beat the snot out of mssql for performance... better than a factor of 10 |
| 16:27.19 | Aqua | kiss technology |
| 16:28.05 | Mikk | Not to mention being loleasy to make storage changes to. No need to ship scripts that fiddle with DB structures. |
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| 16:28.59 | nicoli_s | well for some reason alot of people think you need a relational DB for everything |
| 16:29.20 | Mikk | Wanna know how I did plaintext search? :P |
| 16:29.25 | NightHawkTheSane | grep? :P |
| 16:29.27 | Mikk | idd =) |
| 16:29.36 | Sesshu | hello |
| 16:29.57 | NightHawkTheSane | nicoli_s: it does have the advantage, at least, of having a lot of fairly easy to use adapters, ORMs, etc availible :P |
| 16:29.58 | Mikk | (With a filter for the results that snipped out any accidental matches on e.g. header names n stuff) |
| 16:30.04 | NightHawkTheSane | available* |
| 16:30.05 | p3lim | fuck sake, the newline is messed up again |
| 16:30.09 | p3lim | why is this happening? |
| 16:30.51 | Mikk | p3lim: are you opening it in notepad or somesuch stupidity that doesn't react correctly to there only being LF rather than CR+LF? |
| 16:30.57 | nicoli_s | i never liked using ORMs myself, dunno why, just prefer making the sql myself |
| 16:31.33 | Aqua | some peopel don't know sql |
| 16:31.41 | p3lim | no i just use my editor that ive always used without any issue |
| 16:32.02 | NightHawkTheSane | I like ORMs for some things, usually because i really WANT to deal with my data as objects, and writing the sql to so is a hassle that's.. well, already done by someone else :P |
| 16:32.27 | NightHawkTheSane | well, not just the sql, but the extra framework to do the translation |
| 16:32.41 | p3lim | Mikk: when I install msysgit i get 3 options about newlines |
| 16:32.43 | cog|away | anyone know if MS gave any indication of what TIME they'd be releasing win7 rtm on MSDN today? >< |
| 16:32.48 | p3lim | I chose #2 (the windows way) |
| 16:32.55 | nicoli_s | i just hated how in some ORMs, the logic to do things like joins and other complicated sql stuff is more complex than just writing the sql |
| 16:33.05 | p3lim | was that wrong perhaps? ive never had issues like this before, and ive used git for quite a while |
| 16:33.09 | Mikk | p3lim: i'm sorry, i'm a total git noob |
| 16:33.30 | NightHawkTheSane | nicoli_s: ah, yeah, that can be a pain. I've been spending a lot of time with Doctrine (a PHP ORM), which handles that extremely smoothly. |
| 16:34.48 | p3lim | re-installing now using unix style |
| 16:35.03 | p3lim | unix style forces to use only LF, while as CR-LF is the windows style |
| 16:35.09 | p3lim | could ignore both though :P |
| 16:35.22 | nicoli_s | i think if i ever decided to do some small personal project i might do php, if i could find a decent IDE that i could debug with |
| 16:35.38 | p3lim | ignoring LF and CR completely is the 3rd choice |
| 16:36.02 | Aqua | thats my complain with lua, i wish there was a decent IDE |
| 16:36.41 | Aqua | my memory sucks |
| 16:36.56 | p3lim | IDE with wow support :D |
| 16:38.33 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, i really miss the awesomeness that is visual studio |
| 16:38.46 | Aqua | too bad wowstudio sucks so bad |
| 16:38.52 | p3lim | nope, still messed up newlines |
| 16:40.44 | Aqua | luastudio is okay, if someone would finsih it |
| 16:44.02 | Aqua | I wonder if i can pull ring of law in BRD and live |
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| 16:48.05 | Shirik | ROFL |
| 16:48.15 | Shirik | I just encountered an awesome feature of my version control software |
| 16:48.29 | Shirik | I looked at a changelist and said "ooh that looks interesting" and clicked the little plus sign to see what files changed |
| 16:48.39 | Shirik | instead of telling me all the files, it just said "There are 72937 files in this changelist." |
| 16:49.11 | Shirik | intelligent developers ftw :) |
| 16:49.19 | Shirik | totally not a use case I would have thought of |
| 16:49.29 | nevcairiel | and what if i do want to see all files? |
| 16:50.36 | Shirik | I dunno, maybe there's a way to show them |
| 16:51.41 | Shirik | double clicking on it seems to have worked |
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| 17:02.58 | Aqua | wow 5 boxing 5 dk's |
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| 17:11.44 | tem | I'm about to tank a trial of the champion |
| 17:11.51 | tem | I have never been in the instance |
| 17:11.59 | tem | someone wanna give me the short version? |
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| 17:12.33 | nevcairiel | its more fun if you dont know |
| 17:12.51 | Thunder_Child | just remember to switch out the lance |
| 17:12.58 | nevcairiel | from what i hear, its not hard |
| 17:13.18 | Lukian | http://www.wowwiki.com/Trial_of_the_Crusader |
| 17:15.33 | tem | nevcairiel, but I'm the tank |
| 17:15.44 | tem | I'm not supposed to wing it |
| 17:15.51 | nevcairiel | so don't |
| 17:15.56 | nevcairiel | just play it cool |
| 17:15.58 | nevcairiel | its a damn 5man |
| 17:16.18 | tem | heh |
| 17:16.38 | nevcairiel | i havent been there, so no idea :P |
| 17:16.44 | nevcairiel | i just heard people say its easy |
| 17:17.43 | Aqua | and windows 7 hits msdn! |
| 17:17.55 | nevcairiel | hope my msdnaa page has it soon |
| 17:18.00 | Industrial | There is no weapon that is wielded in the offhand that provides spellpower? http://www.wowhead.com/?items=2&filter=qu=4;sl=22:13;ty=15:13:0:4:7;cr=131:123;crs=1:1;crv=0:1 |
| 17:18.15 | Aqua | omfg, the download servers are slow as dog piss |
| 17:18.18 | nevcairiel | probably not, no caster can dual-weild :p |
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| 17:18.46 | Ackis | eh the new crafting recipe: http://www.wowhead.com/?search=bejeweled+wizard%27s+bracers#recipes has two recipes... why? |
| 17:20.07 | Nechckn | 2 different sales prices there, Ackis maybe they changed it from ptr to live or something? |
| 17:20.15 | durcyn | Nechckn: seems to be one per faction for some reason |
| 17:20.35 | Ackis | I'm thinking along the lines of durcyn but tbh I have no idea, no wow/etc |
| 17:20.43 | Nechckn | huh... that is weird |
| 17:20.44 | Industrial | nevcairiel: shaman! |
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| 17:22.09 | nevcairiel | but they are not supposed to :p |
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| 17:22.31 | Industrial | its an 'unreal' option but its fun |
| 17:22.52 | Industrial | and i wanna play enhancement with two weapons with 550 spellpower on it |
| 17:23.17 | Industrial | +274 spelldamage * 2 from flametongue weapon |
| 17:23.18 | nevcairiel | but there are no off-hand weapons with spellpower :) |
| 17:23.23 | Industrial | seems so :( |
| 17:23.29 | nevcairiel | guess why :p |
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| 17:23.37 | Industrial | we are too op! |
| 17:23.47 | Industrial | I can get like 3.5k SP procced >:D |
| 17:24.08 | nevcairiel | shock bot, eh |
| 17:24.28 | Industrial | 9k lightningbolt |
| 17:24.29 | Industrial | :p |
| 17:24.46 | nevcairiel | lightningbold is for elementals! |
| 17:24.49 | Industrial | wtb t8 4pc bonus so I can get that +20% proc chance |
| 17:25.04 | Industrial | so when I have 500 hit my dual wield will hit way more |
| 17:25.25 | Industrial | == more procs == more lb's == I dont have to waste gcd's on lava lash and earth shock :p |
| 17:25.31 | Industrial | geif |
| 17:25.31 | Industrial | ! |
| 17:25.46 | nevcairiel | but you do like no auto-attack dmg anymore |
| 17:25.51 | nevcairiel | with those crappy weapons :D |
| 17:26.20 | Industrial | my SP mainhand is 90 DPs :< |
| 17:26.25 | Industrial | Wraith Strike |
| 17:26.37 | Industrial | also if rogues get axes I want swords |
| 17:26.39 | Industrial | plix |
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| 17:26.50 | nevcairiel | rogues get axes? |
| 17:26.57 | Industrial | didnt they in 3.2? |
| 17:27.01 | nevcairiel | a axe isnt really a "subtle" weapon that fits rogues |
| 17:27.08 | Industrial | thought I read that |
| 17:27.10 | nevcairiel | i dunno, did they? |
| 17:27.14 | Industrial | neither is swords |
| 17:32.52 | alestane | Combat rogues are anything but subtle. |
| 17:33.52 | Shirik | . |
| 17:34.00 | End | . to you too sir |
| 17:34.11 | Shirik | blame freenode |
| 17:38.25 | Kraps | who heckles the horde in their version of trial of the champion? |
| 17:38.28 | tem | that was... really short |
| 17:39.33 | Kraps | garrosh really needs to stfu |
| 17:40.07 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel, Industrial: yes, rogues got axes in 3.2 |
| 17:40.40 | Kraps | after much quite contemplation i might add |
| 17:44.56 | Fisker | interesting |
| 17:45.01 | Fisker | they didn't fix the bombs on EU |
| 17:45.02 | Fisker | :( |
| 17:46.34 | NightHawkTheSane | nobody likes EU |
| 17:46.46 | Kraps | The Trial of the Champion is the new 5-Man instance introduced with Patch 3.2. All the items dropped by the bosses here are epic (ilvl 200 in normal mode and ilvl 213 in heroic mode). |
| 17:47.01 | Kraps | i got a ilvl 219 sword? |
| 17:47.28 | Stanzilla | Fisker: what's wrong with the bombs? |
| 17:52.40 | Fisker | they spawn a lot of adds |
| 17:54.53 | Shirik | Kraps: I think they mean minimum |
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| 17:56.11 | Lunessa | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/08/06/funny-pictures-other-5-get-sucker-punched/ - so will putting this on my door reduce my walk-in traffice? |
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| 17:56.51 | fasdas | hello, i got a quick question about a macro i need |
| 17:57.12 | fasdas | my problem is, to get an item from the gbank to a specific slot of my backpack, i made a screen to show it: http://a.imagehost.org/0638/problem2.jpg |
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| 17:57.51 | fasdas | already found API PickUpGuildBankItem, but cant find a API command to put it there :/ |
| 17:57.59 | fasdas | someone got a clue ? |
| 17:58.12 | alestane | PickUpGuildBankItem |
| 17:58.19 | alestane | Pick up the spot where you want it to go. |
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| 17:58.47 | fasdas | yep that i got already, i only need the "put it in bag" thing |
| 17:59.26 | alestane | ...Pick up the spot where you want it to go. |
| 17:59.48 | alestane | Use PickUpContainerItem if you want to put it in your own bag. |
| 18:00.20 | fasdas | ah okay thank you |
| 18:00.23 | fasdas | gonna try this out no |
| 18:00.25 | fasdas | now* |
| 18:02.36 | Aelobin | what happens to people flying around WG when it starts if they didnt queue? |
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| 18:03.28 | Lukian | ported approx 300 yards north of the relic (in icecrown) |
| 18:04.26 | Aelobin | what, even the fliers? :/ |
| 18:04.35 | Aelobin | thought it said you only get ported if you attempt to land |
| 18:04.59 | Lukian | fliers too from what i could tell |
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| 18:05.13 | Aelobin | hmm |
| 18:05.28 | Aelobin | that'll foil my plan then lol |
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| 18:07.20 | Aelobin | wait until your side are defending, log out whilst flying in the keep doorway. 3 hours later log in, fly as far in as you can + parachute, touch the relic |
| 18:07.27 | Aelobin | 1 minute win, although im guessing it wouldnt work :P |
| 18:07.51 | Cairenn|afk | mikma: awwww |
| 18:08.01 | Aelobin | actually i mean, log out whilst you have the keep and log in when youre attackign it :p |
| 18:08.07 | Phlogiston | Could anyone look at a newb's nearly first addon? I'm trying to make use of a library but having no luck. http://www.wowuidev.pastey.net/120101 |
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| 18:09.31 | mikma | cairenn|afk: :D |
| 18:12.27 | Shirik | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.12 | Cairenn|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:13.26 | Shirik | :/ |
| 18:14.23 | Ackis | Cairenn|afk: is there a way to give multiple people to upload addons onto WoWI for me? |
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| 18:14.47 | Cairenn|afk | not at present, no |
| 18:14.53 | Ackis | *nod* kk |
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| 18:15.11 | Cairenn|afk | if you want someone other than yourself uploading them, you have to tell me who and I given them "ownership" of the mod |
| 18:15.17 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001293.html |
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| 18:16.50 | cog|away | is downloading windows 7 final |
| 18:16.58 | cog|work | (legally) |
| 18:17.01 | ScytheBlade1 | oh crap |
| 18:17.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I forgot |
| 18:17.05 | ScytheBlade1 | fires up his VM |
| 18:18.00 | ScytheBlade1 | to technet! |
| 18:19.02 | Superguy | is there a way to put items in gbank, not choosing a specific slot there ? |
| 18:21.13 | Superguy | no idea? |
| 18:21.42 | Phlogiston | Could anyone look at a newb's nearly first addon? I'm trying to make use of a library but having no luck. http://www.wowuidev.pastey.net/120101 |
| 18:21.48 | ScytheBlade1 | cog|work: :( @ speeds |
| 18:21.56 | alestane | I don't do much with bags. I don't think the GB has a bag associated with it. |
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| 18:23.55 | Superguy | k thanks anyways |
| 18:24.04 | alestane | !api GuildBank |
| 18:24.05 | lua_bot | Found 45 possible matches for 'GuildBank'. Please be more specific |
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| 18:26.34 | Industrial | so can we stop XP gain yet? |
| 18:26.45 | tem | yes |
| 18:26.49 | tem | but why would you want to do that? |
| 18:26.49 | Industrial | awesome, how do I do it? |
| 18:26.52 | tem | twinks are evil |
| 18:26.54 | Industrial | twinks, ofcourse |
| 18:26.58 | Industrial | no. you need to tell me. |
| 18:27.08 | Industrial | uses to force to make tem tell him |
| 18:28.49 | Industrial | Players who do not wish to gain experience through PvP can visit Behsten in Stormwind or Slahtz in Orgrimmar - both located near the Battlemasters in either city - and turn off all experience accumulation for the cost of 10 gold. |
| 18:28.53 | Industrial | The force > tem. |
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| 18:29.08 | tem | Behsten Slahtz |
| 18:29.10 | tem | lawl |
| 18:30.05 | Industrial | ^^ |
| 18:30.57 | A-KO | so I"m getting some t-shirts made for blizzcon anyone want? :P |
| 18:31.18 | A-KO | Probably just some simple text on the front that says "Learn to play or I'll replace your raid spot with a LUA function." |
| 18:31.20 | A-KO | is nerd |
| 18:31.28 | krka | A-KO: If you are referring to the programming language, you should write Lua instead of LUA :-P |
| 18:31.32 | A-KO | cool |
| 18:31.35 | A-KO | godo thing I didn't make it yet ;P |
| 18:31.53 | nevcairiel | krka was really useful for once |
| 18:32.28 | Industrial | haha |
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| 18:53.09 | KarlKFI | So ckknight, is there a way to fix Curse Client so that it correctly identifies included un-embedded libraries as their own addon and not as part of any addon that contains them? |
| 18:54.03 | ckknight | yea, the addon shouldn't be including them on the top level |
| 18:54.10 | KarlKFI | says who |
| 18:54.12 | ckknight | otherwise the Curse Client will recognize them as part of the other |
| 18:54.21 | ckknight | since that's how Auctioneer and Gatherer work |
| 18:54.27 | ckknight | Swatter's included |
| 18:54.30 | ckknight | not its own addon |
| 18:54.32 | ckknight | as far as they want it |
| 18:54.41 | ckknight | can't please everyone |
| 18:55.31 | KarlKFI | can't you show it as it's own addon and indicate which addon it's included with? |
| 18:56.29 | KarlKFI | addon() its included with |
| 18:56.35 | KarlKFI | addon(s)* |
| 18:57.30 | ckknight | Kaelten: you wanna field this one? |
| 18:57.40 | KarlKFI | you already do version checking of addons via toc, correct? |
| 18:57.52 | ckknight | no |
| 18:58.09 | ckknight | it's done through a fingerprinting system |
| 18:58.09 | KarlKFI | checksums? |
| 18:58.12 | nicoli_s | we use super secret hashing techniques |
| 18:58.24 | KarlKFI | of course... always have to be different |
| 18:58.31 | Kaelten | KarlKFI: what I've thought about in the past was having it more like an outline view |
| 18:58.37 | Kaelten | where you could see the subitems |
| 18:58.43 | ckknight | it's a lot better, we're able to fingerprint than doing TOC reading |
| 18:58.57 | Kaelten | but various limitations in the system made that near impossible in v3 |
| 18:59.11 | KarlKFI | Kaelten: the main problem is when multiple addons contain the same library |
| 18:59.26 | Kaelten | KarlKFI: the fingerprinting gives us much more accurate identification than toc scanning |
| 18:59.49 | KarlKFI | why's that, cause peopel don't update their toc's? |
| 19:00.09 | Kaelten | that and the tocs don't require any kind of recognizable versioning info |
| 19:00.18 | NightHawkTheSane | s/don't/are too lazy too/ |
| 19:00.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Nor any standard for how to display said info |
| 19:00.28 | ckknight | say someone makes a fork |
| 19:00.30 | NightHawkTheSane | shifts his eyes and coughs |
| 19:00.32 | ckknight | how do you tell one from the other? |
| 19:00.49 | KarlKFI | rename the fork :P |
| 19:00.54 | ckknight | yea, and people don't |
| 19:01.15 | Kaelten | yeah. We're dealing with a system with very few set rules, not even that many hard and fast conventions |
| 19:01.19 | ckknight | also, with fingerprinting, Cartographer and Cartographer_* are all properly recognized as one download |
| 19:02.01 | KarlKFI | anyway, the recognition isn't the problem here |
| 19:02.07 | KarlKFI | it's the display |
| 19:02.26 | Kaelten | Well as far as when multiple things contain the exact same folder or various versions of the same lib it gets sticky |
| 19:02.54 | KarlKFI | of course. |
| 19:03.22 | Kaelten | currently we handle it by letting it match the newest one iirc |
| 19:03.56 | KarlKFI | that's usually ok |
| 19:04.19 | KarlKFI | except when you dont have the newest one installed |
| 19:04.39 | KarlKFI | or any of them installed from curse |
| 19:05.05 | KarlKFI | if someone downloads Portfolio atm Curse Client shows it as RuneMover |
| 19:05.05 | Kaelten | not sure what better solution there really is that doesn't overly complicate things |
| 19:05.28 | KarlKFI | because Portfolio isn't on curse and RuneMover contains it |
| 19:06.04 | KarlKFI | why wasn't the tree view possible? |
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| 19:06.30 | Kaelten | because wx sucks |
| 19:06.52 | Kaelten | but in the 4.0 client it's not been addressed yet |
| 19:07.07 | Kaelten | not saying it will mind you, at least in this context |
| 19:07.11 | KarlKFI | ok, so currently it doesn't show any of the contained addons? just the parent? |
| 19:09.41 | ccox_ | shirik - outfitter and resource tools - try to update, get "internal error" |
| 19:10.35 | KarlKFI | How about this. Keep it the way it is, unless the parent addon isn't (fully) installed. In that case just put the contained addon either in the Unknown AddOn list or leave it in the Known AddOns but show it as the name in the toc and show int he description that it is part of some other addon (whatever newest one) and then when you update it just download the full addon and only update the... |
| 19:10.37 | KarlKFI | ...part that's installed. |
| 19:11.07 | ccox_ | Shirik: and I'm not seeing any log files to get any additional information |
| 19:11.50 | KarlKFI | or the name could read "Swatter (Part of Auctioneer)" if you didn't have Auctioneer or Gatherer installed |
| 19:12.49 | KarlKFI | is that feasible Kaelten? |
| 19:13.17 | Kaelten | Possibly |
| 19:13.41 | nevcairiel | you should just make them bundle the libs in another way, instead of them getting you to recode the client |
| 19:13.42 | nevcairiel | imho :P |
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| 19:15.09 | nicoli_s | well we are already recoding the client |
| 19:16.11 | ckknight | nevcairiel's right, though |
| 19:16.12 | ckknight | :P |
| 19:16.13 | ckknight | imo |
| 19:16.28 | KarlKFI | the only 2 alternatives for me are: don't include the lib and make them download it separately. OR make the addon embeddable. And I'd prefer not to embed the 90k library in a dozen addons. Plus as I just found out Portfolio currently doesn't work embedded, because it waits for the ADDON_LOADED |
| 19:16.58 | KarlKFI | and if I don't include it then i inconvenience people who aren't using installer apps |
| 19:18.59 | Cralor` | this is what someone told me on the comments "If you use the Curse Client and have the FluidFrame addon: the additional addon Portfolio will be identified as RuneMover. I was wondering what Runemover was since I hadn't installed it. Hope to save others some searching." |
| 19:19.06 | foxlit | ScytheBlade1: I'm staring at an "#X-Version: " field in a toc |
| 19:19.27 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: "X-" <-- ow |
| 19:19.30 | KarlKFI | there are conventiosn for versioning, yes |
| 19:19.44 | foxlit | The cursor is at the space after the colon. |
| 19:19.46 | ckknight | why not just ## Version? |
| 19:19.54 | ckknight | why use X-? |
| 19:20.05 | foxlit | Why not? |
| 19:20.28 | ckknight | because Version is standard. |
| 19:20.29 | ckknight | and will show up in the addon listing |
| 19:20.29 | KarlKFI | there's even a convention for parsing versions that aren't completely numeric |
| 19:20.29 | KarlKFI | for comparison |
| 19:21.13 | foxlit | There's a specific reason that I addressed that to SB1 :) |
| 19:21.25 | KarlKFI | not sure if it's on the wiki tho |
| 19:21.31 | foxlit | It is |
| 19:21.39 | nicoli_s | i saw someone complaining about you putting "Delta 4" as your x-version foxlit |
| 19:21.48 | foxlit | ffs, not x-version |
| 19:21.52 | foxlit | "X-Version-Name-Wrath:" |
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| 19:22.47 | foxlit | [I'm also aware of that discussion, and find it a source of amusement] |
| 19:23.26 | foxlit | I don't expect a human to have any problems determining which version-identifying string is newer, and I don't particularly care about whether software can replicate that feat. |
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| 19:24.49 | nicoli_s | you tell em foxlit |
| 19:24.52 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: Version isn't standard. It may be community created standard, but it is definitely not standard to the .toc format |
| 19:25.06 | ScytheBlade1 | (And the community should really use X-) |
| 19:25.07 | ckknight | I thought it was |
| 19:25.10 | ScytheBlade1 | sadly no |
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| 19:25.14 | foxlit | I thought it was too. |
| 19:25.18 | foxlit | Perhaps wiki is overreaching. |
| 19:25.32 | foxlit | (it suggests GetAddOnMetadata can read Version: fields) |
| 19:25.42 | ScytheBlade1 | It can read any and all TOC fields, iirc |
| 19:25.48 | foxlit | nuh-uh. |
| 19:25.50 | ScytheBlade1 | hrm |
| 19:25.58 | foxlit | Not SavedVariables, which would've made my life easier. |
| 19:25.58 | ScytheBlade1 | If it can then I'm wrong then |
| 19:26.23 | ScytheBlade1 | That is a definite oddity |
| 19:26.24 | Kraps | lol @ the people who say "omg casuals can run heroics for t9!!!11" im sick of heroics already |
| 19:26.47 | foxlit | lua> ("FOX"):gsub("%a", function(c) return c:byte() .. "." end) .. "-FORCE-=5=-"; |
| 19:26.48 | lua_bot | foxlit: 70.79.88.-FORCE-=5=- |
| 19:27.03 | foxlit | lua> ("FOX"):gsub("%a", function(c) return (c:byte()-("A"):byte()+1) .. "." end) .. "-FORCE-=5=-"; |
| 19:27.04 | lua_bot | foxlit: 6.15.24.-FORCE-=5=- |
| 19:27.08 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 19:27.18 | foxlit | 6.15.24 it is. |
| 19:27.21 | ScytheBlade1 | okay, wowprogramming lists Version as a valid one |
| 19:27.39 | ScytheBlade1 | which I'd believe |
| 19:27.54 | ScytheBlade1 | And wowwiki doesn't list it at all. hooray! |
| 19:28.09 | ScytheBlade1 | ckknight: I stand corrected |
| 19:28.20 | ckknight | k |
| 19:28.22 | ckknight | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6oUz1v17Uo |
| 19:28.23 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/TOC_format#Version |
| 19:28.43 | foxlit | It's under non-standard, which is interesting. |
| 19:28.49 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: yes, which is why I missed it |
| 19:29.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Seems like that wiki page could use a good ol' fashioned rewrite |
| 19:29.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Not that I care even a little bit |
| 19:30.11 | KarlKFI | speakign of which, what does the latest Ace version use in regards to the dategory table? |
| 19:30.43 | ckknight | ...what? |
| 19:30.57 | ckknight | category you mean? |
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| 19:31.42 | KarlKFI | http://www.wowwiki.com/TOC_format#X-Category |
| 19:31.52 | ckknight | ah, yea |
| 19:31.55 | ckknight | no longer used |
| 19:32.11 | ScytheBlade1 | wowwiki out of date? |
| 19:32.12 | ScytheBlade1 | never! |
| 19:32.17 | ScytheBlade1 | unpossible! |
| 19:32.30 | KarlKFI | so fix it |
| 19:32.45 | foxlit | That page is maintaining documentation sourced from other projects. |
| 19:32.48 | foxlit | As far as I'm concerned, it can go play in a fire. |
| 19:33.15 | Atriace | What's your turn-to, foxlit? |
| 19:33.16 | foxlit | But we've had that discussion before, and it isn't all that interesting. |
| 19:34.07 | ScytheBlade1 | but |
| 19:34.11 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: thanks for the X-Version |
| 19:34.22 | KarlKFI | you'd rather conventions be undocumented, foxlit ? |
| 19:34.40 | foxlit | KarlKFI: I'd rather have the project that is responsible for those conventions document them. |
| 19:35.02 | KarlKFI | then no one would read them |
| 19:35.25 | foxlit | "WoWAce also defines a number of .toc fields, [http://www.wowace.com/foo as documented on their wiki page]" |
| 19:36.12 | KarlKFI | what happens when that page no longer exists? |
| 19:36.19 | KarlKFI | as is the case for the ace2 docs |
| 19:36.31 | foxlit | Then I would seriously question whether those conventions are still meaningful. |
| 19:37.10 | amro | that's probably why wowwiki is no longer relevant |
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| 19:38.26 | foxlit | amro: I'm not sure whether that statement follows from anything in particular. |
| 19:38.40 | KarlKFI | if they're not meaningful then what's stoppign you from deleting them? |
| 19:38.40 | amro | [20:32:47] <foxlit> As far as I'm concerned, it can go play in a fire. |
| 19:39.09 | foxlit | KarlKFI: I'm not qualified to determine whether they are still meaningful. |
| 19:39.11 | amro | the fact that wowwiki no longer has relevant information, as a result of such attitudes |
| 19:39.32 | KarlKFI | and WHO is qualified? |
| 19:39.37 | amro | ^ |
| 19:39.46 | foxlit | Whoever actually maintains that convention. |
| 19:39.57 | amro | so what do you do exactly? |
| 19:40.04 | foxlit | amro: I think you're misinterpreting a single line: it relates ONLY to the documentation of third-party stuff. |
| 19:40.39 | foxlit | I'm not indifferent to the state of the actual API pages, and you'll find that those do generally get updated. |
| 19:41.02 | KarlKFI | I last restructured that page, but it's been updated 20+ times since then |
| 19:41.17 | amro | foxlit: it's the fact that you don't care about outdated information on the wiki |
| 19:41.23 | amro | delete or update |
| 19:41.31 | KarlKFI | someone from Ace should update the ace part imo |
| 19:42.17 | foxlit | KarlKFI: we agree there. Unfortunately, it would appear that we're waiting for Godot. |
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| 19:43.28 | foxlit | Which forms my reasoning for wanting that stuff hosted somewhere at Ace, and merely linked to -- people actively running that project are probably unaware that they have "outdated" content on wowwiki. |
| 19:43.47 | KarlKFI | inform them |
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| 19:52.13 | krka | gah, how do i stop QH from telling me to do a group quest? |
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| 19:53.45 | Lunessa | So, Godot is never going to come? All this waiting has been in vain? |
| 19:56.01 | Thunder_Child | krka, go solo mode |
| 19:56.15 | nicoli_s | whats godot? |
| 19:56.50 | krka | Thunder_Child: thanks |
| 19:57.00 | krka | there are like two other options that sound like they would disable it |
| 19:57.04 | krka | like /qh filter group |
| 19:57.06 | krka | but noooo |
| 19:58.11 | krka | also... what's with all the fancy fading menus? just annoys me with all the animations :/ |
| 19:59.19 | krka | /qh solo didn't change anything :/ |
| 19:59.35 | Lunessa | nicoli_s: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_Godot |
| 20:00.55 | Thunder_Child | krka, huh....dunno then, go bug ZorbaTHut |
| 20:01.40 | nicoli_s | thats a pretty big plot synopsis |
| 20:02.20 | Lunessa | nicoli_s: It's almost Cliff Notes |
| 20:02.41 | foxlit | Lunessa: But he's a reputable man. Surely, he'll be here shortly. |
| 20:02.59 | Lunessa | foxlit: There is nothing to be done. |
| 20:05.37 | Lunessa | Beckett's work obviously influence Mamet. |
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| 20:10.32 | DWSR | Lunessa & Thunder_Child: My school did that play. |
| 20:10.37 | DWSR | During our drama festival. |
| 20:10.43 | DWSR | Farking boring play. |
| 20:11.23 | Lunessa | I rather liked it, but then I have strange tastes. |
| 20:12.03 | DWSR | They did an abridged version, I think. |
| 20:12.08 | DWSR | Maybe that had something to do with it. |
| 20:14.07 | foxlit | "To get what # to put read [[HOWTO: Get Current Interface Number]]." |
| 20:14.20 | foxlit | high-fives the wiki. |
| 20:14.54 | Lunessa | I like small plays with intense feeling. |
| 20:16.02 | alestane | And they would |
| 20:16.02 | alestane | bark bark bark bark bark bark BARK BARK |
| 20:16.03 | alestane | until you could hear them ALL OVER the park. |
| 20:16.32 | NightHawkTheSan1 | There really aren't enough uses for barbeque sauce in everyday cooking. |
| 20:20.15 | nicoli_s | i put it on everything i put ketchup on, make a nice mixture |
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| 20:20.45 | Lunessa | MMMM... BBQ |
| 20:21.07 | nicoli_s | as long as its not vinegary or mustardy bbq i love it |
| 20:21.20 | nicoli_s | its gotta be tomato based for me to dig it |
| 20:21.26 | NightHawkTheSan1 | nicoli_s: i have a similar problem with ketchup |
| 20:21.40 | NightHawkTheSan1 | although, i should try this bbq sauce on scrambled eggs, i bet that'd be good |
| 20:21.59 | Atriace | What would be the best way to prevent a secure frame from appearing during combat? |
| 20:22.16 | foxlit | Atriace: kill all the code that shows it. |
| 20:22.27 | foxlit | Change the frame's parent to an invisible frame. |
| 20:22.38 | Atriace | What if it's generated on the fly? |
| 20:22.53 | Atriace | Nevermind that. |
| 20:23.06 | Atriace | Seems I'll have to unregister the events that activate it... |
| 20:23.29 | Atriace | Thanks |
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| 20:23.46 | devZero | is it just me, or has portions of DevTools been included in the WoW client? |
| 20:24.01 | foxlit | It's not just you |
| 20:24.08 | devZero | neat |
| 20:24.11 | NightHawkTheSane | it IS just you |
| 20:24.18 | NightHawkTheSane | you're going crazy |
| 20:24.23 | devZero | dammit.. someone make up their mind |
| 20:24.25 | NightHawkTheSane | seek help, now! |
| 20:24.50 | devZero | I did... unfortunately, their response was I play too much WoW |
| 20:25.23 | devZero | was /dtevents included as well under a different command? |
| 20:25.41 | alestane | I believe so, try /eventtrace |
| 20:25.54 | devZero | aha! |
| 20:25.56 | devZero | thank you |
| 20:26.06 | Atriace | I wish there was a concise list of deprecated functions. Iriel's posts seem fairly complete, but I can't find my missing function. |
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| 20:26.36 | alestane | Atriace: What function? |
| 20:26.59 | Atriace | GetDifficultyColor |
| 20:27.08 | foxlit | Moved to GetQuestDifficultyColor |
| 20:27.09 | Atriace | I know, old topic. |
| 20:27.11 | foxlit | or something like that. |
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| 20:27.53 | NightHawkTheSane | thinks he may have added a bit too much onion to this tuna salad |
| 20:27.55 | foxlit | I wonder how WoW handles dependency loops in .tocs |
| 20:27.55 | Atriace | Dang... you're right. |
| 20:28.17 | Atriace | Units are quests now, is that what they're implying? hehe |
| 20:28.18 | foxlit | Atriace: you could try diffing the revisions of http://www.wowwiki.com/Global_functions |
| 20:28.23 | alestane | Lovely, the fire department's backup domain controller has died and my wife is it work until a new one is running. |
| 20:28.42 | nevcairiel | at least only the backup! |
| 20:28.54 | foxlit | In particular, http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Global_functions&diff=1976257&oldid=1976131 should get you the 3.1.3 -> 3.2.0 function changes list, albeit in a slightly odd form. |
| 20:29.05 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: "at" work? |
| 20:29.16 | alestane | Yes, yes. |
| 20:29.22 | NightHawkTheSane | okay, that makes sense. :) |
| 20:29.41 | Atriace | foxlit: thanks. |
| 20:29.51 | ckknight | foxlit: if A depends on B which depends on A, if it looks at A first, B will load before A |
| 20:30.42 | Lunessa | alestane: Boo. Sorry man. |
| 20:31.29 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/44333/ghostcrawlers-greaves/ |
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| 20:34.07 | devZero | hmmm.. I don't see a way to filter /eventtrace |
| 20:34.59 | mikma | is there any way of disabling the blizzard's itemcompare? |
| 20:35.10 | Adys | interface options |
| 20:35.36 | mikma | nope |
| 20:35.37 | Pneu^ | devZero: looks like the questionmark that dteventtrace has is missing in the blizz one |
| 20:35.51 | devZero | yep[ |
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| 20:36.22 | Pneu^ | at least it works better than framestack |
| 20:36.39 | mikma | adys: there is only item level in interface options |
| 20:36.52 | Adys | bah |
| 20:36.53 | Pneu^ | ive not found a way to remove the compare stats either |
| 20:37.12 | Adys | also |
| 20:37.13 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/latest |
| 20:38.06 | nicoli_s | wheres the sword of zomgness on there |
| 20:38.37 | mikma | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/46336/zzold-ph/ |
| 20:38.41 | nicoli_s | also, make yer tooltips faster! |
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| 20:41.51 | Adys | whats with the tooltips? |
| 20:42.14 | Kraps | what does naxx drop now, EoC? |
| 20:42.15 | nicoli_s | they should be instant, you can do it! |
| 20:42.35 | Adys | meh |
| 20:43.25 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/1_balls.jpg |
| 20:45.30 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/happykfc.gif |
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| 20:47.09 | Thunder_Child | was that a self question mikma? |
| 20:47.27 | mikma | thunder_child: no |
| 20:48.31 | foxlit | http://old.wowace.com/wiki/TOC_Metadata << found you. |
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| 20:51.33 | NightHawkTheSane | http://pictureshare.org/images/2fffe4d93f0877a28f2920545ac9ef63.jpg |
| 20:52.26 | ScytheBlade1 | I love these hard drives |
| 20:52.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Backing crap up at 80MB/sec |
| 20:52.32 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 20:53.49 | Lukian | which ones you usin' ScytheBlade1 ? :> |
| 20:56.51 | ScytheBlade1 | A 500GB WD and a 1.5TB seagate |
| 20:57.02 | ScytheBlade1 | No raid, nothing fancy, just drive to drive |
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| 20:57.34 | Lukian | seagate 1.5GB's one the speedtest in a recent pc-mag review XD |
| 20:57.40 | Lukian | 1.5TB* |
| 20:57.43 | Lukian | won* |
| 20:57.47 | ScytheBlade1 | It is a very very nice drive |
| 20:57.47 | Lukian | sigh.. bed time for me |
| 20:58.04 | Lukian | the 1TB was just behind it _^^ |
| 20:59.24 | ScytheBlade1 | http://pastey.net/120113 |
| 21:05.27 | Arrowmaster | i should do an IO test later when i get my new rig up |
| 21:06.13 | Arrowmaster | 8x samsung 1tb drives on a 3ware controller |
| 21:06.29 | Kraps | what does naxx drop now, EoC? |
| 21:06.58 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/TOC_format << fear it. |
| 21:08.20 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: nice |
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| 21:09.13 | Kraps | "Researchers study WoW to see how gangs form and fade" |
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| 21:11.44 | foxlit | ## Interface: 20008 << wonder if that ever happened. |
| 21:12.05 | Arrowmaster | it did i think |
| 21:12.37 | foxlit | There was something about 20000 -> 20003, but I'm not sure it went much longer than that |
| 21:12.58 | foxlit | hm, wowcompares agrees with me. |
| 21:13.07 | nevcairiel | yeah i think that was the only case the last number was ever used |
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| 21:32.14 | wsoul | as a dk tank once i get my def capped, stamina > dodge > parry right |
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| 21:39.14 | mikma | my friend keeps telling me to stach def over cap... |
| 21:39.20 | mikma | "you get dodgbe and parry!" |
| 21:39.37 | NightHawkTheSane | and hit avoidance |
| 21:41.12 | Shirik | ccox_: ping |
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| 21:42.06 | Kaso | What's the console command to dis/enable error() messages? |
| 21:43.14 | KarlKFI | as a dk now parry is probably better than dodge |
| 21:43.21 | KarlKFI | they give the same avoidance now |
| 21:43.50 | KarlKFI | and defense is still useful over cap, yes. |
| 21:44.58 | KarlKFI | and it's hard to compare stamina to the avoidance stats, because it depends highly on your existing gear |
| 21:45.09 | KarlKFI | and what you're tanking |
| 21:48.01 | NightHawkTheSane | KarlKFI: wouldn't parry be less useful for dks due to DR and the str->parry conversion? or is that not affected by DR? |
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| 21:49.47 | KarlKFI | i don't think DR is affected by the %, but rather by the amount of parry/dodge rating. |
| 21:50.24 | KarlKFI | also good to note: defense is not inflicted with the parry/dodge DR |
| 21:50.41 | nicoli_s | Adys, you should make that tooltips url shorter |
| 21:51.00 | Adys | what do you mean? |
| 21:51.26 | nicoli_s | http://db.mmo-champion.com/static/js/tooltip_external.js <- too long |
| 21:51.29 | KarlKFI | so if the miss+dodge+parry from defense is equivalent to the non-DR parry/dodge %, then the defense will always be better |
| 21:51.34 | Adys | Oh |
| 21:51.48 | nicoli_s | just giving you a hard time :P |
| 21:51.58 | Adys | no, you're right |
| 21:53.19 | Adys | something like http://db.mmo-champion.com/tt.js nicoli_s ? |
| 21:53.22 | KarlKFI | also note that miss is not effected by direction, while dodge and parry are |
| 21:53.31 | nicoli_s | yah thatd be better |
| 21:53.38 | Adys | tomorrow is ok? |
| 21:53.57 | nicoli_s | i dont use it so i dont care :P |
| 21:54.48 | Aelobin | lol the engineering helm enchant is so OP in some BGs xD |
| 21:54.48 | Aelobin | lasts just long enough to take a flag back |
| 21:54.48 | Adys | which one? |
| 21:54.48 | Aelobin | mind amp dish |
| 21:54.48 | Aelobin | if it doesnt backfire ofc |
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| 21:55.29 | bleeter | http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=18385 |
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| 21:59.10 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19110022656&sid=1 |
| 22:00.37 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl |
| 22:00.37 | ScytheBlade1 | epic spelling |
| 22:00.37 | Aelobin | ZorbaTHut: btw, did you fix the quests in ZulDrak involving that big spirit cat that you hand quests into? :P |
| 22:00.37 | Aelobin | not sure if my QH was up to date when i did them, but it kept pointing me to the wrong place to hand in (phasing or something) |
| 22:00.37 | ZorbaTHut | I think it's hilarious that out of three or four *actual* serious bugs in 1.1.8, everyone complains about the one that adds a very small amount of harmless debug spam |
| 22:00.47 | ZorbaTHut | aelobin, that should be largely fixed now. I'm not sure it's 100% fixed, but mostly |
| 22:01.12 | Lunessa | I like that you used Creatinating - Do you also Bunrinate your errors? |
| 22:01.43 | ZorbaTHut | I've been known to do that :) |
| 22:01.53 | ZorbaTHut | my debug code tends to get more and more obtuse and intentionally misspelled as I write it |
| 22:02.04 | ZorbaTHut | partially as a defense mechanism against accidentally using the same debug output message twice |
| 22:02.07 | Lunessa | Trogdor! Codinating the AddOns! Trogdor! |
| 22:02.13 | mikma | creatinating? |
| 22:02.21 | ZorbaTHut | partially just because I think it's funny. |
| 22:02.27 | ZorbaTHut | mikma, it's like creating |
| 22:02.32 | ZorbaTHut | only *better* |
| 22:03.33 | A-KO | lol |
| 22:05.37 | Lunessa | Haha... I just quoted you too. |
| 22:09.44 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 22:09.47 | Fisker | my nemesis |
| 22:14.14 | bleeter | is there a "patch any -> 3.1" yet? |
| 22:15.20 | wsoul | back |
| 22:16.12 | wsoul | Ok so the question still remain |
| 22:16.42 | wsoul | def, stamina, then dodge for dk tanks |
| 22:16.56 | wsoul | 21.69% my dodge rating |
| 22:17.09 | VonhintenHOME` | dodge and parry are equivalent now |
| 22:17.14 | wsoul | def 547 |
| 22:19.31 | VonhintenHOME` | in fact, a balance between dodge and parry would be best, because of diminishing returns |
| 22:19.45 | VonhintenHOME` | (noting that parry supposedly diminishes faster) |
| 22:20.11 | wsoul | check deathknight.info forums |
| 22:20.16 | wsoul | post about stats for dks for 3.2 |
| 22:21.04 | tem | wow |
| 22:21.07 | tem | I <3 my guild |
| 22:21.21 | alestane | What did they do now? |
| 22:21.36 | tem | MOTD: Thursday- Raidapalooza. Prezent in the mail for all raiders, use it to epic gem your gear <3 |
| 22:21.43 | tem | 1500g |
| 22:22.12 | VonhintenHOME` | nice |
| 22:22.18 | Kalroth | you got that many slackers, eh? :p |
| 22:22.19 | alestane | Not as much as it used to be, but pretty nice. |
| 22:22.29 | tem | we aparently have such a strong income stream from selling epics and patterns that we can afford to have guild repairs on all the time |
| 22:22.39 | tem | also enchant mats, flasks always available in the gbank |
| 22:22.47 | tem | I make money raiding now |
| 22:23.09 | VonhintenHOME` | I've pretty much stopped playing wow |
| 22:23.40 | alestane | I was just wondering where this money was coming from. |
| 22:23.42 | kd3 | heh at some blizz employee's wallpaper |
| 22:23.43 | VonhintenHOME` | A have an emptiness in my soul that DAoC once filled... |
| 22:23.49 | kd3 | http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=28726 |
| 22:24.28 | Arrowmaster | kd3: lol |
| 22:24.57 | bleeter | kd3: pfft http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=18385 :P |
| 22:26.17 | ScytheBlade1 | haha @ background |
| 22:26.39 | VonhintenHOME` | I don't get it.. so it's a cartoon drawing |
| 22:33.24 | bleeter | well, arse.... John Hughes |
| 22:33.27 | bleeter | has died |
| 22:38.49 | VonhintenHOME` | bummer |
| 22:39.02 | VonhintenHOME` | Died at 59 of a heart attack... |
| 22:39.16 | VonhintenHOME` | People don't take care of themselves |
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| 22:43.35 | Lunessa | tem: When you're done spending all that g in your guild bank on all the materials, how about buying me my goddamned chpper? |
| 22:52.32 | Shefki | rides around Lunessa on his chopper. |
| 22:52.40 | Shefki | offers rides to anyone but Lunessa. :P |
| 22:53.07 | Lunessa | hacks the repository and codes a "Shefki is a big doody-head" easter egg into PB4. |
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| 22:56.06 | mikma | vonhintenhome`: he made too funny comedy and his heart couldn't take it anymore |
| 22:56.09 | mikma | pop |
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| 23:09.44 | durcyn | kd3: is that... night-elf manga |
| 23:11.08 | Duman | hmm |
| 23:11.36 | Kaso | Apparently you vomit now if you drink too much |
| 23:11.50 | Kaso | (in game i mean) |
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| 23:18.49 | Lunessa | Ok I'll see you folks later. |
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| 23:27.53 | cog|work | there's a headline for ya: Plague vaccine for prairie dogs could save endangered ferret |
| 23:32.42 | Ackis | ping ZorbaTHut |
| 23:34.41 | ZorbaTHut | pong |
| 23:35.48 | Ackis | did you get your file issue sorted out? |
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| 23:36.17 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I think everything's working fine now |
| 23:36.20 | Ackis | kk |
| 23:37.48 | Ackis | Should I have signed that note <3 Ackis btw? |
| 23:40.55 | ZorbaTHut | which notes? i is confused :( |
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| 23:53.29 | Wimpsy` | So I've been trying to solve this for a bit more than a day now, yet my oUF layout just won't work. I haven't done lua in ages so i'm a bit rusty. Would anyone mind taking a look at it? I have no idea if it's my layout or oUF itself throwing out this error. http://pastey.net/120119 |
| 23:53.58 | Wimpsy` | After anything changes on my UnitFrame, it starts ticking once every second with the same error. |
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| 23:58.32 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/40725/steam-powered-auctioneer/ |
| 23:59.29 | Wimpsy` | Never mind my long wall of text up there, managed to actually solve it. |
| 23:59.36 | Kaso | Interesting Adys |
