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| 00:24.51 | Aqua | whats the web page that displays the blizzard news? |
| 00:25.10 | NightHawkTheSan1 | ~wowalert |
| 00:25.11 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 00:25.11 | bleeter | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert ? |
| 00:26.03 | Aqua | ty |
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| 00:51.56 | Lunessa | You know who has worse handwriting than medical doctors? |
| 00:52.00 | Lunessa | Shrinks. |
| 00:53.21 | VonhintenHOME` | That's not a bong.. that's a pipe |
| 00:53.37 | VonhintenHOME` | artist needs to L2drugabuse |
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| 00:59.58 | Nuckin | is texture 'origin' (0,0) for SetTexCoord calls is the upper left? been a while =P |
| 01:10.38 | Wobin | wow. |
| 01:10.42 | Wobin | Her name is -really- Orly? |
| 01:17.26 | Kraps_ | whoa i dced? |
| 01:18.49 | Kraps_ | people need to stop 1-starring ITEMS when AMAZON is their problem? |
| 01:20.52 | Kraps_ | thats not a question btw |
| 01:23.05 | Lunessa | Are you high? That is a question btw. |
| 01:27.44 | Kraps_ | cant touch this |
| 01:28.03 | Kraps_ | forum fun http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18872654474&sid=1 |
| 01:28.05 | Lunessa | I told you homeboy! |
| 01:35.03 | Lunessa | Kraps_: I find no entertainment value in that thread. |
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| 01:36.24 | Kraps_ | then you must be normal |
| 01:36.28 | Kraps_ | hmm |
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| 01:54.41 | Kraps_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFUrHhONTz4 |
| 01:59.24 | Wobin | Cruciformer: thanks for pointing out Juno Reactor =) |
| 02:00.32 | mikma | goaaaaaa |
| 02:00.40 | Kraps_ | llllll |
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| 02:05.25 | Shirik | I'm shameless |
| 02:05.50 | mikma | wobin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROI1W3Lgqbs |
| 02:05.54 | batrick | we know |
| 02:05.57 | Kraps_ | fanservice? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UIZqpkPL5jY&NR=1 |
| 02:06.11 | Shirik | licks mikma |
| 02:06.12 | mikma | wobin: one of my all time favorites |
| 02:06.25 | Kraps_ | for 12-17 year-olds |
| 02:06.29 | mikma | oh wow, the tongue! |
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| 02:09.34 | Adys | bnet login down? |
| 02:09.46 | Aqua | i just logged in |
| 02:09.49 | Aqua | via bnet |
| 02:10.25 | Adys | i get unable to connect |
| 02:10.31 | Adys | EU but shouldnt matter... |
| 02:10.39 | Aqua | might be a routing issue |
| 02:10.52 | Adys | it was fine a few hours ago |
| 02:11.15 | Adys | i get the same on US |
| 02:11.47 | Aqua | i just logged in succesfully to US and EU |
| 02:12.11 | Aqua | and i have a battle.net account |
| 02:12.50 | Shirik | ~~ |
| 02:12.51 | purl | well, ~ is the key |
| 02:13.40 | Shirik | .. |
| 02:13.45 | Adys | this is beyond epic fail |
| 02:14.02 | Adys | anyway |
| 02:14.03 | Adys | night |
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| 02:25.25 | Lunessa | It rubs the lotion on its skin. |
| 02:25.40 | Aqua | or it gets the hose again.... |
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| 02:46.23 | ZorbaTHut | "\i cant see anymore how much creatures i have slay by a quest, sow the quest never stops" |
| 02:46.30 | ZorbaTHut | I love tech support sometimes. sigh. |
| 02:47.40 | Kraps_ | us or eu? |
| 02:48.47 | ZorbaTHut | QH page on Curse.com |
| 02:50.09 | Kraps_ | ah |
| 02:50.59 | Kraps_ | are we expecting a trailer for 3.2? |
| 02:52.35 | Lunessa | ... http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/08/britain-to-put-cctv-cameras-inside-private-homes/ |
| 02:52.45 | Lunessa | god lord, I'm happy I'm not british |
| 02:58.07 | ZorbaTHut | funny thing is going back and looking at all the statements when they were putting the first round of cameras in |
| 02:58.26 | ZorbaTHut | "don't worry, this will only be used to catch criminals, and they will only be at the most important intersections" |
| 02:58.30 | ZorbaTHut | uh-huh. yeeeeep. |
| 02:59.01 | Lunessa | Those who would give up a little freedom for security deserve neither. |
| 02:59.56 | Kraps_ | Lunessa: i kinda agree, but thats a little too broad |
| 03:00.07 | Lunessa | Kraps_: Jefferson said it. |
| 03:00.14 | Kraps_ | i know |
| 03:00.21 | NightHawkTheSan1 | "You're.. not my type, and I'm more than a little disturbed that I might be yours." |
| 03:01.33 | ZorbaTHut | kraps, personally I think it's not too broad, but I'm also a bit of an extremist :P |
| 03:02.11 | Kraps_ | what http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18884414808&sid=1 |
| 03:02.28 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: In some ways, my kind of extremist. In others, you're in the enemy camp. :P |
| 03:02.56 | ZorbaTHut | lunessa, I'm curious, which way do we conflict in? :) I don't know your politics well enough to know |
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| 03:03.18 | Lunessa | We disagree over copyright issues, and likely religion. :) |
| 03:03.38 | ZorbaTHut | *nod* fair 'nuff |
| 03:04.49 | Lunessa | That's ok, I'm an odd duck. I have really, really, really strong feelings on things - but I never force them on anyone. And I'm willing, even if I fight it, to be convinced by reason and logic to change my views. :P |
| 03:05.44 | ZorbaTHut | I think I'm the exact same way, honestly ;) it does make things funny sometimes - I've met one person, ever, who shared all my beliefs |
| 03:06.09 | Lunessa | Heh, and half the people I know think I'm nuts. |
| 03:06.20 | ZorbaTHut | only half? clearly you're not trying hard enough |
| 03:06.31 | Lunessa | No, the other half /know/. |
| 03:06.39 | ZorbaTHut | oh okay, that's a lot better than |
| 03:06.43 | ZorbaTHut | *then |
| 03:10.26 | Kraps_ | whats the difference between further and farther? |
| 03:10.41 | Lunessa | context |
| 03:11.17 | Lunessa | http://www.lessontutor.com/eesfarther.html |
| 03:11.23 | alestane | Further can be a verb. |
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| 03:11.41 | Lunessa | Englsih is full of wonderfully confusing word sounds. |
| 03:11.42 | alestane | Further refers to greater extent generally, farther refers to distance only. |
| 03:12.54 | Kraps_ | i got thanks :) |
| 03:14.36 | Kraps_ | when people confuse LOSE - LOOSE it annoys me |
| 03:14.46 | mikma | hey, your lose |
| 03:14.55 | Kraps_ | haha |
| 03:15.08 | mikma | ff 3.5.2 ^^ |
| 03:15.54 | Kraps_ | affect-effect and their/they're/there i can understand |
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| 03:16.35 | Lunessa | OMG - blizzard got affect/effct wrong on the login screen. I wanted to die. |
| 03:16.44 | alestane | Yes, I saw that. |
| 03:17.14 | Kraps_ | mikma: ff's spellckecker doesnt check context like MS Word does |
| 03:17.31 | ZorbaTHut | I can never remember if I'm doing affect/effect correctly :( |
| 03:17.45 | ZorbaTHut | there's mnemonics, there's tricks for remembering, they all just vanish in my mind and I don't know why |
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| 03:18.35 | Kraps_ | to tell west/east, the word WE |
| 03:18.47 | Kraps_ | i always use that |
| 03:19.42 | ZorbaTHut | that's a clever one |
| 03:19.58 | NightHawkTheSan1 | "The name's... Olo.. Hans Olo.. |
| 03:20.00 | NightHawkTheSan1 | " |
| 03:21.19 | Kraps_ | ZorbaTHut: sister taught me that |
| 03:21.36 | ZorbaTHut | if you figure out a way to remember affect/effect, let me know :D |
| 03:21.50 | alestane | "affect" is either "make some perceptible change" or "adopt a manner not natural to you." "effect" means "bring into actuality." Of course, they're also both usable as nouns, which makes it even more complicated. |
| 03:22.31 | Kraps_ | affect = changes something |
| 03:22.39 | Kraps_ | i guess? |
| 03:22.58 | Kraps_ | effect would be the "other one" :P |
| 03:23.53 | alestane | If it's any consolation, there are plenty of native English speakers who only vaguely grasp the difference, so even if you grew up on English, you're not alone. If you cut your teeth on another tongue you're exempt. |
| 03:27.19 | bleeter | 13:25 < kenshin> my testes are via SOCKS |
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| 03:49.25 | NightHawkTheSan1 | crazy: i've got windows installed on a partition on my mac pro. it has one of it's drives shared out. I rebooted back into osx on that mac, and i can see the windows share >.> |
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| 03:57.56 | Relcuse | post-execution, locals within a function become garbage, yes? |
| 04:01.58 | batrick | yes |
| 04:02.19 | batrick | so long as the values they held are not referenced elsewhere |
| 04:03.57 | Relcuse | and there's no real way to determine where garbage is coming from without simply pouring over the code looking for leaks (unrecycled tables and whatnot)? |
| 04:04.46 | batrick | there may be a way in wow i dont kno |
| 04:05.36 | batrick | are you certain you are using locals and not globals? |
| 04:06.12 | Relcuse | well, i had been avoiding locals inside functions for fear that they would be a source of worse garbage lol |
| 04:06.28 | Relcuse | but no, everything is inside a namespace |
| 04:06.29 | batrick | err, it's the exact opposited |
| 04:07.11 | batrick | Use locals everywhere |
| 04:08.20 | Relcuse | hmm |
| 04:08.45 | Relcuse | so, using the locals inside the functions will reduce garbage creation? |
| 04:09.10 | batrick | it localizes the use of the value to the function |
| 04:09.16 | batrick | when the function ends the value can be collected |
| 04:09.24 | Arrowmaster | no it will increase garbage creation by not keeping around useless crap after its not needed |
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| 04:10.17 | batrick | The only globals ever necessary in my wow addon experience was the config variables |
| 04:10.21 | batrick | everything else can be local |
| 04:10.57 | batrick | global variables holding garbage tables will hold onto those tables forever |
| 04:12.17 | ZorbaTHut | relcuse, there's a horrifying hackery way if you're willing to rig up some huge infrastructure and modify all your addon code. it's not exactly clean or recommended, but it does technically work |
| 04:12.22 | ZorbaTHut | at least, for tables |
| 04:12.29 | ZorbaTHut | I don't know of any way to track functions |
| 04:12.29 | Relcuse | right, and over time increase the memory footprint of the running addon, but I've been okay on the foot print, it's just that over time, the addon will double in memory, but garbage collection will drop it back to where it is supposed to be. Should I not be worrying about the garbage then? |
| 04:12.54 | Relcuse | lol zorba |
| 04:13.16 | Relcuse | i am recycling all tables that i know of internally, btw. |
| 04:13.21 | Arrowmaster | unless its in stuff that gets run very often you dont need to worry about it |
| 04:13.26 | ZorbaTHut | depending on your addon and how much RAM it is, it may or may not be worth worrying about |
| 04:13.45 | ZorbaTHut | if you're using less than a meg, don't worry about it. beyond that, it depends on what your target audience is, and how much you care |
| 04:13.57 | Relcuse | we're talking like 60kb idle, collected and peaks around 150kb when in heavy use. |
| 04:14.05 | ZorbaTHut | yeah don't worry about it. |
| 04:14.06 | Arrowmaster | what does it do? |
| 04:14.16 | ZorbaTHut | the only people who will complain about 150k are people who would also complain about 60k. |
| 04:14.17 | Relcuse | it's a scrolling combat text |
| 04:19.02 | Relcuse | Well, I don't mind it growing, because I know it'll come back down after collection, I just worry that I'm not recycling something to generate so much (in relation to the addon's size itself) is all :) I'll just not worry too hard about it since I believe I've done as much recycling as I can/should. |
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| 04:59.18 | Kraps_ | http://www.cracked.com/article_15650_5-mental-disorders-that-can-totally-get-you-laid.html |
| 05:05.40 | A-KO | What's a good way to detect the first time an addon's been run? (so I can set default variables and all)? |
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| 05:08.40 | kd3 | yay! net access |
| 05:08.47 | NightHawkTheSan1 | just check to see if you HAVE a SV or not? if there's no file, whatever variable name you specified will be nil |
| 05:09.12 | A-KO | NightHawkTheSan1: it tells me it's not defined or something like that..hold up.. |
| 05:10.29 | A-KO | yeah...attempt to index a nil value..I'm using a table to store the options... |
| 05:11.27 | A-KO | that's what I thought would work....but it doesn't :P |
| 05:13.24 | A-KO | does it work for variables differently than tables or something? Could I do it with a regular variable? |
| 05:14.21 | Wobin | You could use AceDB to set the defaults |
| 05:14.31 | NightHawkTheSan1 | if not my_sv_table then [do defaults initialization] end |
| 05:15.02 | NightHawkTheSan1 | whatever you specify in ##SavedVariables is what your var will be, it doesn't matter if its a table or not, it'll be nil if there's no SVs |
| 05:16.05 | A-KO | yes NightHawkTheSan1 but if I attempt to compare something from a table that is nil, wow errors out saying I'm attempting to index a nil value :P |
| 05:16.23 | NightHawkTheSan1 | ... so you check to see if the table is nil first, duh? |
| 05:16.26 | NightHawkTheSan1 | sighs |
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| 05:22.16 | Neffykins | UNIT_SPELLCAST_STOP fires every time a spellcast stops, including when it gets interrupted, right? |
| 05:25.46 | NightHawkTheSan1 | we need more people to use twitter like this: http://www.leasticoulddo.com/comic/20090804 |
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| 05:30.18 | kd3 | ahahaha |
| 05:40.05 | A-KO | heh, another question. Does OnLoad fire before variables are loaded from saved variables? It's saving my table when I exit, but when I re-enter it acts like my table doesn't exist... |
| 05:41.13 | Neffykins | So it must be (and probably is) happening that way. I think OnLoad is called when the frame is created. |
| 05:41.21 | Neffykins | Register for VARIABLES_LOADED |
| 05:41.33 | NightHawkTheSan1 | ^^ |
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| 05:42.00 | A-KO | ahhh |
| 05:42.01 | NightHawkTheSan1 | You might look into this: http://www.wowwiki.com/Events_that_fire_during_the_loading_process#Saved_variables_loading |
| 05:42.09 | A-KO | ah yes that's useful |
| 05:42.10 | A-KO | thanks |
| 05:42.28 | Arrowmaster | use ADDON_LOADED, not VARIABLES_LOADED |
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| 05:45.57 | A-KO | beautiful |
| 05:45.59 | A-KO | that works |
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| 05:51.49 | tekkub | just make sure it's your addon that loaded |
| 05:52.17 | tekkub | and unregister it when you're done unles you care about other addons |
| 05:56.11 | Cairenn | btw, guys, Dolby has reset the "works with" tag on WoWI, so you can tag your mods for 3.2 if they're ready |
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| 05:58.13 | Neffykins | Will using :SetAttribute('unit', unit) auto-hide the frame when the unit disappears or is there some other attribute I need to set? |
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| 06:03.17 | Arrowmaster | Neffykins: theres something called UnitWatch i think |
| 06:03.30 | Arrowmaster | should be mentioned somewhere in the secure frame code |
| 06:04.47 | Neffykins | I'm reading the Lua file now. Haven't seen any mention. |
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| 06:06.15 | Arrowmaster | its in SecureStateDriver.lua and SecureTemplates.lua |
| 06:06.30 | Neffykins | Ah found it anyway |
| 06:06.32 | Neffykins | Thanks |
| 06:06.56 | Arrowmaster | it could be done automatically by the templates so you dont need to do it on your own |
| 06:07.23 | Arrowmaster | its used twice in SecureTemplates.lua but i dont know where |
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| 06:10.28 | Neffykins | One more thing. The normal unit events like UNIT_HEALTH and such, they don't fire for *targets (like targettarget), do they? |
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| 06:11.45 | Thunder_Child | if anyone asks the small child killed itself |
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| 06:24.16 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: where's that from? |
| 06:24.42 | TC-Away | Wobin, where is what from? |
| 06:24.53 | Wobin | "if anyone asks..." |
| 06:25.01 | Thunder_Child | it's from me |
| 06:25.09 | Thunder_Child | i just finished building my new computer |
| 06:25.13 | Wobin | I could have sworn I've heard it in a movie or something |
| 06:25.26 | Thunder_Child | *shrug* |
| 06:30.11 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Sign up for BC UI dinner: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25437 | "anyone one know any crazy stuff on the net?" - niceguy777 |
| 06:30.26 | Thunder_Child | anyone one? |
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| 06:33.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: oh there was totally a better one |
| 06:33.35 | Cairenn | not on the page I brought up |
| 06:33.49 | Cairenn | but if you've got a good one ... :) |
| 06:33.54 | ScytheBlade1 | bah, can't scroll back that far |
| 06:33.57 | ScytheBlade1 | ~logs |
| 06:33.58 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 06:34.25 | ScytheBlade1 | aaannnddddd the log server is down |
| 06:34.32 | ScytheBlade1 | =[ |
| 06:35.07 | Cairenn | http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/wowuidev.html.gz is where I pull them from, most of the time |
| 06:35.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I can't load it |
| 06:35.34 | Elkano | Cairenn, time for the 3.2.x topic, soon, right? |
| 06:35.45 | Cairenn | tomorrow, last I heard |
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| 06:36.00 | ScytheBlade1 | bah, oh well |
| 06:36.05 | ScytheBlade1 | That's still pretty good |
| 06:36.22 | Cairenn | it's a completely ludicrous statement |
| 06:36.39 | Elkano | didn't fix any of my addons, yet... too lazy (and too little disc space) for PTR... |
| 06:36.48 | ScytheBlade1 | There was one MUCH more ludicrous |
| 06:37.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I honestly doubled over in laughter and kept the keyboard away from myself |
| 06:37.44 | ScytheBlade1 | why won't the logs load :( |
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| 06:41.11 | Thunder_Child | because you want them to |
| 06:41.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Do they load for you, by chance? |
| 06:41.33 | ScytheBlade1 | http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/wowuidev.html.gz |
| 06:41.53 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 06:42.00 | ScytheBlade1 | ah-ha |
| 06:42.09 | ScytheBlade1 | That site is ipv6 enabled |
| 06:42.16 | ScytheBlade1 | And... the ipv6 on their end is down |
| 06:42.19 | ScytheBlade1 | That explains things |
| 06:42.59 | Thunder_Child | jeeze Shirik, you have almost 2x as many lines as the next highest typer |
| 06:43.29 | ScytheBlade1 | wow, we're a clean channel |
| 06:43.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Adys has quite a potty mouth. 0.9% words were foul language. |
| 06:43.45 | ScytheBlade1 | also, re: Shirik |
| 06:43.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik talks to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 1 times! |
| 06:44.05 | Thunder_Child | did you really just 'he/she' |
| 06:44.08 | Thunder_Child | fail |
| 06:44.12 | sacarasc | I thought everyone knew Shirik didn't have any friends? |
| 06:44.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Cairenn: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/20090802.html.gz |
| 06:44.32 | ScytheBlade1 | 23:54.19 |
| 06:44.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Right at the very end of that log |
| 06:45.11 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 06:45.45 | ScytheBlade1 | SPY ON PEOPLE FULL POWER ON MY PCS |
| 06:45.47 | Cairenn | the bit about people spying on you? |
| 06:45.48 | Cairenn | yeah |
| 06:46.00 | ScytheBlade1 | That might be /too/ mean buy |
| 06:46.04 | ScytheBlade1 | *but |
| 06:46.25 | sacarasc | I know I'm spying on almost everyone in here... |
| 06:46.39 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Sign up for BC UI dinner: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25437 | "or people that like to spy on people full power on my PCs" - niceguy777 |
| 06:47.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Or it isn't :) |
| 06:47.48 | Cairenn | hey, if you say something as silly as that in this channel, you take the risk of being appropriately ridiculed by me, and having me quote you |
| 06:47.56 | ScytheBlade1 | haha |
| 06:47.57 | ScytheBlade1 | fair enough |
| 06:48.14 | Thunder_Child | lies Cairenn, lies |
| 06:48.17 | Cairenn | when have I ever played nice with the channel topics? |
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| 06:48.46 | Thunder_Child | special events |
| 06:48.47 | bleeter | Cairenn: there was a good quote in #pidgin earlier.. lemme see if I can find it... |
| 06:49.00 | bleeter | Cairenn: 13:25 < kenshin> my testes are via SOCKS |
| 06:49.07 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:49.09 | Thunder_Child | birthdays/births/etc |
| 06:50.09 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: yeah, okay, but when I'm putting out-of-context quotes up there, I'm always looking for something ridiculous, ludicrous, silly or just flat out embarrassing ;) |
| 06:50.20 | Cairenn | this isn't new |
| 06:51.05 | ScytheBlade1 | is proud to have never not one been in the topic |
| 06:51.11 | NightHawkTheSan1 | what key is used to select multiple entries in a list (ie, multiselect box) in windows/linux, ctrl? |
| 06:51.21 | ScytheBlade1 | is semi-confident that said niceguy777 quote is too good to replace just yet |
| 06:51.39 | Cairenn | chuckles at ScytheBlade1 having just painted a huge bullseye on himself |
| 06:52.08 | sacarasc | NightHawkTheSan1: Yeah. |
| 06:52.11 | sacarasc | Usually. |
| 06:52.28 | NightHawkTheSan1 | thanks, having a brain fart.. |
| 06:52.31 | Thunder_Child | speaking of not playing nice..... |
| 06:54.23 | Thunder_Child | nvm, i'll save it for later |
| 06:55.12 | Elkano | saying silly stuff in the chan? "He who stumbles around in darkness with a stick is blind. But he who sticks out in darkness is...flourescent." |
| 06:55.24 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 06:55.33 | ScytheBlade1 | nice |
| 06:55.43 | Elkano | and no, I don't want to take credit for that quote |
| 06:57.00 | Elkano | NightHawkTheSan1: ctrl for selecting multiple entries, shift for selecting all between the currently selected and the one you click |
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| 07:00.40 | ccox | we just had started heroic AN, when we see "Server Shutdown in 15:00" |
| 07:00.55 | ccox | leader says "I want my last 3 heroic badges damit" |
| 07:01.02 | ccox | so we finished it in 12 minutes |
| 07:01.04 | sacarasc | :D |
| 07:01.25 | ccox | the funny part - I was the healer |
| 07:01.31 | ccox | that's the fourth heroic I've ever healed |
| 07:01.43 | ccox | the first one was at 7pm tonight |
| 07:03.03 | ccox | "thrown off the deep end" comes to mind |
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| 07:17.33 | End | Regular maintenance is irregular. |
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| 07:27.01 | Wobin | suggests Metamucil |
| 07:28.58 | Shadowed | maintenance not suggesting 3.2 but everyone else saying it will be is fun :< |
| 07:29.55 | nevcairiel | doesnt a new patch usually mean that the arena season ends? |
| 07:30.02 | nevcairiel | a blue said that the season isnt ending this week |
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| 07:30.59 | Wobin | they usually stagger that |
| 07:31.04 | Wobin | have the reset a week or so later |
| 07:33.29 | End | Shadowed: the mainenance is starting early |
| 07:33.39 | End | it's just..not..extended..apparently |
| 07:33.45 | End | even though it technically is |
| 07:33.47 | Shadowed | yea |
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| 07:35.05 | jnwhiteh | so no word on the patch, from what you guys are saying |
| 07:35.14 | jnwhiteh | not that i can "fix" anything until i get it in EU anyway |
| 07:35.15 | End | definitely no official word |
| 07:35.20 | jnwhiteh | k k |
| 07:35.28 | Shadowed | it's very very likely will get 3.2 |
| 07:35.34 | Shadowed | but nothing I would base pushing mods to sites off of |
| 07:35.46 | nevcairiel | i put my money on next week :P |
| 07:35.47 | jnwhiteh | well i have things to fix |
| 07:35.52 | jnwhiteh | i've got to fix the LH window |
| 07:35.53 | jnwhiteh | for noe =() |
| 07:35.55 | jnwhiteh | one |
| 07:36.19 | End | I think it's pretty likely as well, but the things they've posted about the maintenance seem kinda strange :P |
| 07:36.23 | nevcairiel | holds that PTR sign up |
| 07:36.40 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: i don't make changes like that based on the PTR |
| 07:36.47 | jnwhiteh | too much has changed in the past between PTR and live. |
| 07:36.53 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:36.58 | Fisker | rages |
| 07:37.15 | Shadowed | clads just making excuses to be lazy! |
| 07:37.26 | End | hell, they've had the PTR up until the morning of, and had a different build on live the next morning from what the PTR had :P |
| 07:37.26 | Shadowed | last few PTR pushes have had basically no changes thought so |
| 07:37.40 | jnwhiteh | yes there are other issues as well for me |
| 07:37.42 | jnwhiteh | but (shrug) |
| 07:38.01 | ccox | odd that the PTR servers are still up |
| 07:38.10 | End | that doesn't mean much |
| 07:38.15 | ccox | true |
| 07:38.17 | nevcairiel | with 3.1, the PTR was up even after the patch hit live |
| 07:39.42 | jnwhiteh | anyone have PTR |
| 07:39.45 | jnwhiteh | and willing to mess with LH for me? |
| 07:39.59 | jnwhiteh | that and Clique are the only two I really need to fuck with this path |
| 07:40.09 | End | I can't get on the PTR |
| 07:40.38 | End | as far as I know it -is- still up, but the login server has been "busy" all day when I've tried to get on |
| 07:40.42 | End | I blame b.net accounts |
| 07:40.59 | Thunder_Child | i blame you |
| 07:41.01 | jnwhiteh | hehe, fair enough |
| 07:41.10 | End | I blame Thunder_Child most of all |
| 07:41.26 | Thunder_Child | to late you have been blamed already End |
| 07:41.40 | End | But I am fully patched! ...which is worthless... :( |
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| 07:48.06 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 07:48.17 | jnwhiteh | the servers being down tomorrow would hurt me pretty badly |
| 07:48.24 | jnwhiteh | but it's something I have to deal with |
| 07:48.29 | jnwhiteh | luckily our maint is never as bad as US :P |
| 07:48.53 | Fisker | Ravencrest will probably be down for over 9000 hours |
| 07:48.54 | End | US maint just shows where the problems are ;-) |
| 07:49.04 | jnwhiteh | yep, it's nice :P |
| 07:49.08 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh |
| 07:49.10 | Fisker | coming back? |
| 07:49.14 | jnwhiteh | nope |
| 07:49.16 | jnwhiteh | i'm happy on ED |
| 07:49.26 | sacarasc | Fisker: For over a year? |
| 07:49.27 | Fisker | you're miserable |
| 07:49.52 | jnwhiteh | i cry myself to sleep at night |
| 07:50.02 | End | I cry Fisker to sleep |
| 07:52.12 | jnwhiteh | Feb 12, 2008 |
| 07:52.16 | jnwhiteh | was that post BC? |
| 07:52.47 | jnwhiteh | it was post 2.3.3 |
| 07:52.48 | sacarasc | Yes. |
| 07:53.03 | sacarasc | I started plying in 2007 with BC. |
| 07:53.37 | jnwhiteh | 2.4 brought the new combat log. |
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| 07:56.07 | Wobin | hm |
| 07:56.14 | Wobin | are we getting the faction change this patch? |
| 07:56.20 | End | no |
| 07:56.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Faction change isn't something that would likely require a client patch |
| 07:56.32 | End | I'm pretty sure we're not |
| 07:56.34 | Wobin | alas |
| 07:56.49 | End | when they announced it, they said it was still a long ways away |
| 08:02.12 | Shadowed | EU PTR down now |
| 08:02.21 | jnwhiteh | aaw, sad face |
| 08:02.38 | digmouse | temp. down or closed? |
| 08:02.43 | Shadowed | closed |
| 08:02.48 | Fisker | naw jnwhiteh |
| 08:02.49 | Fisker | CAREFACE! |
| 08:02.59 | Shadowed | US too |
| 08:03.07 | Shadowed | er wait mmoc just fails at showing the different ones |
| 08:03.10 | digmouse | so 3.2 confirmed this week? |
| 08:03.24 | Shadowed | can pretty safely assume it but not confirmed by blizzard |
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| 08:10.25 | Fisker | pills here |
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| 09:14.55 | Shirik | wow holy crap |
| 09:15.00 | Shirik | Chrome does not like http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/wowuidev.html.gz |
| 09:15.41 | Dezzimal | yeah I've run into that before |
| 09:16.17 | Shirik | wtf |
| 09:16.28 | Shirik | Most used words: |
| 09:16.30 | Dezzimal | its not decompressing it or doesn't recognize the mime type |
| 09:16.40 | Dezzimal | or both |
| 09:16.43 | Arrowmaster | shitty browser |
| 09:16.45 | Shirik | #8: Trout (used 15 times, most by Fisker) |
| 09:16.58 | Dezzimal | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:16.58 | Arrowmaster | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:16.59 | Shirik | wtf |
| 09:17.03 | Shirik | I've already been attacked most times |
| 09:17.08 | Shirik | not necessary! |
| 09:17.12 | Arrowmaster | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:17.16 | Shirik | :( |
| 09:18.13 | sacarasc | trout Shirik trout trout trout. |
| 09:19.04 | Kalroth | slaps Shirik around a lot with a Shirik |
| 09:19.22 | Elkano | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:19.54 | Elkano | what did he do? (not that he didn't deserve it...) |
| 09:20.03 | Kalroth | Elkano: preemptive slap |
| 09:20.16 | Kalroth | Shirik will most likely do something that deserves a trout |
| 09:20.33 | Arrowmaster | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
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| 09:24.07 | Shirik | hi Edu! |
| 09:24.17 | Shirik | Do you want to return the number of players in a zone? |
| 09:24.31 | Edu | Shirik: yes |
| 09:24.38 | Shirik | I am a mind reader! |
| 09:24.40 | Edu | Shirik: I was writing the question |
| 09:24.50 | Kalroth | Shirik is such a stalker |
| 09:25.08 | Nihlo | just a few words guys...just had a quick look at the 3.2 interface-chages, didn't understand most of them. Can anyone tell me how "big" addon-problems will be. Just like 3.1 ? 3.0 ? or even 2.0 ? and which kind of addons will be broken/won't work anymore without updates... |
| 09:25.10 | Edu | Shirik: ^^ Do you know how is it? |
| 09:25.10 | Shirik | Anyway there's no real way to get that information unfortunately. |
| 09:25.28 | Shirik | The best you can do is send a /who to the server, but the most you'll get is 50 at a time |
| 09:25.39 | Shirik | so you have to do a bunch of requests like "names starting with A" "names starting with B" |
| 09:25.43 | Arrowmaster | Nihlo: everything is broken, all addons must be completely rewritten from scratch, its the end of the world |
| 09:25.43 | Shirik | and that will take a long time |
| 09:26.08 | Edu | Shirik: really? I Saw the other day a "command" in LUA that do this. But I no remember this page |
| 09:26.10 | Nihlo | ok good |
| 09:26.12 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: you can get a list of everybody in the zone chat channel if you are in the zone |
| 09:26.19 | Shirik | ooh didn't think about that |
| 09:26.20 | krka | uh oh.. |
| 09:26.24 | krka | Edu: The name of the language is Lua, not LUA. ;-) |
| 09:26.33 | Kalroth | Arrowmaster: Everyone in the channel, that is |
| 09:26.36 | krka | i can't help myself :( |
| 09:26.42 | Shirik | huggles krka |
| 09:26.43 | Kalroth | Arrowmaster: I don't sit in general |
| 09:26.53 | Arrowmaster | Kalroth: i said everybody in the zone chat channel |
| 09:27.07 | Arrowmaster | and you could check both general and local defense |
| 09:27.21 | Kalroth | Sure, that's still not a full list :) |
| 09:27.24 | Edu | Anyone know a wiki that explain every "coomand"? |
| 09:27.28 | Arrowmaster | no its not |
| 09:27.33 | Arrowmaster | ~wowprogramming |
| 09:27.34 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 09:28.09 | Shirik | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendWho http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetNumWhoResults |
| 09:28.13 | krka | you could probably partition the search more cleverly by doing /who <zone> <class> <level> for various combinations |
| 09:28.14 | Shirik | So you could theoretically do something like that |
| 09:28.25 | Edu | Shirik: thanks |
| 09:28.38 | Edu | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendWhohttp://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/SendWho |
| 09:28.41 | jnwhiteh | if you do it like CensusPlus you just do it once and only break it down when necessary |
| 09:28.53 | krka | why did i read that as GetNumWhoreSluts? |
| 09:28.54 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 09:28.58 | jnwhiteh | so full who request, then go to class.. and if that's too big, then level. |
| 09:28.58 | Fisker | i r slapd |
| 09:29.06 | Kalroth | krka: You're around Fisker too much |
| 09:29.17 | krka | no that can't be it, i even have fisker on ignore |
| 09:29.21 | Kalroth | oh |
| 09:29.31 | Shirik | why are there so many people active at this time of night |
| 09:29.34 | Shirik | and why am I even awake |
| 09:29.39 | krka | because it's not night at all |
| 09:29.39 | Kalroth | Shirik: patch 3.2 |
| 09:29.40 | Arrowmaster | night? |
| 09:29.48 | krka | almost time for lunch |
| 09:29.50 | Kalroth | and it's 11:30 :p |
| 09:30.23 | Arrowmaster | 5:30am, will be bed time in a few hours |
| 09:30.35 | Shirik | yeah, 2:30 AM |
| 09:30.38 | Shirik | and I go to work at 8 |
| 09:30.41 | Shirik | so I go to sleep now |
| 09:31.22 | Edu | Shirik: I'm programing the 4 horsemen, and I need to know if anyone is in 45yd, if not I have to cast an AoE |
| 09:31.32 | Edu | Shirik: how can I know it? |
| 09:31.55 | Shirik | You can't make cast decisions based on such information |
| 09:32.23 | Shirik | The player has to make those types of decisions, intentionally |
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| 09:32.51 | Edu | Shirik: But if this is true, this boss can't be programed in Lua? |
| 09:33.00 | Arrowmaster | "I'm programing the 4 horsemen, and I need to know if anyone is in 45yd, if not I have to cast an AoE" < that sounds like programming mob AI for a private server |
| 09:33.12 | Shirik | oh, now I understand the question |
| 09:33.19 | nevcairiel | I was thinking the same thing |
| 09:33.23 | Edu | Arrowmaster: yes, It is |
| 09:33.27 | Shirik | ok |
| 09:33.30 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: you know what to do |
| 09:33.31 | Shirik | then you're in the wrong place |
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| 09:33.41 | Edu | Shirik: oops |
| 09:34.11 | Edu | Shirik: and where I should ask it? |
| 09:34.28 | nevcairiel | no where, as far as we are concerned =P |
| 09:34.34 | jnwhiteh | you should stop using private servers, and pay for a subscription like everyone else. |
| 09:34.37 | Shirik | suffice to say, I'm being very nice to you by giving you a chance to run. We don't support private servers here not only because it's illegal, but because it's disrespectful to those that spent a lot of time and hard work putting together the game |
| 09:35.25 | Spellbinder-afk | or play everquest |
| 09:36.00 | Edu | Shirik: private servers aren't illegal, a number of Private servers are support by Blizzard |
| 09:36.13 | Shirik | ... |
| 09:36.17 | Arrowmaster | they are not supported by blizzard |
| 09:36.19 | Shirik | I don't even have a response to that |
| 09:36.20 | Kalroth | lol |
| 09:36.20 | nevcairiel | just kick him already |
| 09:36.21 | Shirik | just leave |
| 09:36.36 | Edu | ok, thanks for all |
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| 09:37.07 | Shirik | I couldn't kick him, he seemed like a nice guy |
| 09:37.14 | Shirik | I'm too nice :( |
| 09:37.15 | Fisker | http://steamcommunity.com/id/Fisker <-it's so cute |
| 09:37.20 | Arrowmaster | was he asking in #lua or something since you knew what he wanted before he asked? |
| 09:37.30 | Shirik | yeah |
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| 09:37.40 | Shirik | Fisker: how long did it take you to make that |
| 09:37.54 | Arrowmaster | Fisker: it looks like you have a ballsack on your chin |
| 09:38.07 | Dezzimal | jesus christ its a lion |
| 09:38.09 | Dezzimal | get in the car |
| 09:38.15 | Kalroth | Fisker: hej thomas, voffer så QQ |
| 09:38.17 | jnwhiteh | he's right tho about the legality |
| 09:38.25 | Kalroth | jnwhiteh: hum? |
| 09:38.25 | jnwhiteh | there's nothing strictly illegal about a private server |
| 09:38.29 | Kalroth | yes there is |
| 09:38.32 | jnwhiteh | how so? |
| 09:38.35 | Dezzimal | in before long argument |
| 09:38.45 | Shirik | I'm going to sleep before this discussion gets off the ground |
| 09:38.48 | jnwhiteh | Dezzimal: there's no need for a long argument. |
| 09:38.48 | Kalroth | client EULA |
| 09:38.59 | jnwhiteh | Kalroth: thus no law is being broken |
| 09:39.03 | jnwhiteh | you're breaking an agreement |
| 09:39.12 | jnwhiteh | and that's the users, not the peopel writing the private server |
| 09:39.14 | Shirik | Therefore you're infringing copyright |
| 09:39.20 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: how so? |
| 09:39.22 | Kalroth | that's semantics, make a country with no laws and you can't break them! |
| 09:39.26 | Shirik | That's the whole basis of Glider |
| 09:39.26 | nevcairiel | we all say illegal, its just easier :P |
| 09:39.29 | jnwhiteh | I could write a server that doesn't infringe copyrights |
| 09:39.34 | Shirik | Glider didn't infringe copyrights |
| 09:39.43 | Shirik | it made other people infringe copyrights |
| 09:39.47 | Shirik | but they were held responsible |
| 09:40.09 | Shirik | <3 the fucked up US justice system |
| 09:40.14 | Shirik | Today I heard someone on the news |
| 09:40.24 | Shirik | suing their college for tuition because she can't find a job |
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| 09:40.35 | Kalroth | .. |
| 09:40.38 | Fisker | Shirik 1 million hours in mspaint |
| 09:40.40 | Arrowmaster | shit can i do that? |
| 09:41.14 | Fisker | that or make a 184x184 canvas, type ">:3" click the "rorate 90 degrees"-button, save as png |
| 09:41.14 | Shirik | here we are |
| 09:41.17 | Shirik | <3 Google news |
| 09:41.18 | Shirik | http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/276897 |
| 09:41.47 | nevcairiel | i hope she doesnt win |
| 09:42.00 | jnwhiteh | thanks for clarifying your position.. I can't say I 100% agree with it but the limited precedent does support it. |
| 09:42.42 | Shirik | I'm not sure I entirely agree with it jnwhiteh, there's a lot of stupid shit out there |
| 09:42.53 | jnwhiteh | well the law seems to support it |
| 09:43.05 | Shirik | Though I don't really have a problem with them being illegal. (And outside of the US is certainly debatable at the least) |
| 09:43.11 | jnwhiteh | encouraging someone else to commit copyright infringement |
| 09:43.18 | jnwhiteh | but yes, the illegality outside the US is entirely different |
| 09:44.24 | jnwhiteh | does COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED with combat event SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE fire for mind flay or drain soul? |
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| 09:44.41 | Shirik | hm, I might have a log somewhere around here |
| 09:45.07 | Shirik | 3/19 20:27:22.606 SPELL_DAMAGE,0x00000000005C5017,"Karela",0x512,0xF1300070BB0000D6,"Malygos",0xa48,58381,"Mind Flay",0x20,2376,0,32,0,0,0,nil,nil,nil |
| 09:45.41 | Shirik | I only see SPELL_DAMAGE |
| 09:45.48 | jnwhiteh | thanks. |
| 09:46.01 | Shirik | Drain Soul is different |
| 09:46.12 | Shirik | 3/25 21:11:07.358 SPELL_PERIODIC_DAMAGE,0x0000000000582E50,"Sobeyit",0x514,0xF1300076F5000F12,"Onyx Sanctum Guardian",0x10a48,1120,"Drain Soul",0x20,109,0,32,10,0,0,nil,nil,nil |
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| 09:46.45 | Shirik | damn gvim is such crap |
| 09:46.50 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: how so? |
| 09:47.07 | jnwhiteh | when do SPELL_BUILDING_DAMAGE and SPELL_BUILDING_HEAL fire? |
| 09:47.14 | Shirik | I just don't like this whole "select" mode |
| 09:47.29 | Shirik | It's like a mix of visual and insert that makes no sense |
| 09:47.40 | jnwhiteh | well, you don't have to use it =) |
| 09:48.05 | Shirik | well I go and select something to copy and it puts me in that mode instead of visual for some reason, and then I go hit / to do a find and it overwrites everything I selected :( |
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| 09:48.21 | batrick | I thought the biggest issue with Glider was that it read WoW's data in RAM which was considered copyrighted material? |
| 09:48.39 | Shirik | There's a bunch of things |
| 09:48.46 | Aqua | what are t he odds that the patch will hit tommorrow |
| 09:48.53 | Shirik | One of it was that it caused the users to copy the program to RAM which they were not authorized to do |
| 09:48.56 | jnwhiteh | Aqua: 100% if it hits in the US today. |
| 09:49.03 | ilovemrdoe | tortious interference iirc |
| 09:49.08 | Aqua | its not off ptr yet is it? |
| 09:49.42 | Shirik | SPELL_PERIODIC_ENERGIZE wtf is that o.o |
| 09:49.44 | batrick | I get the feeling that a higher court will end up amending the actual precedent's ramifications but Glider will still lose. |
| 09:49.48 | jnwhiteh | Aqua: PTR has no effect whatsoever on the patch hittingt. |
| 09:49.59 | batrick | There is an appeal pending right? |
| 09:50.10 | jnwhiteh | Aqua: if it hits, it hits.. |
| 09:50.10 | Shirik | Maybe; I stopped following it |
| 09:50.23 | Aqua | yea, we are betting in guild |
| 09:50.44 | Vangual | PTR's are being shut down at the moment, EU forum has a blue post about it |
| 09:51.25 | jnwhiteh | hrm, in the combat log documentation |
| 09:51.25 | Shirik | :( This is sad |
| 09:51.31 | Shirik | I'm looking through the combat log and laughing |
| 09:51.42 | jnwhiteh | nvm |
| 09:51.46 | Shirik | I see this and laugh: 7/30 20:46:02.788 UNIT_DIED,0x0000000000000000,nil,0x80000000,0x06800000002EB472,"Gorkk",0x514 |
| 09:54.27 | batrick | Anyone playing HoN on the linux client figure out if there is a way to make the mouse leave the game window during game? |
| 09:55.45 | Shirik | So |
| 09:55.50 | Shirik | apparently this girl that can't find a job |
| 09:55.56 | Shirik | has a 2.7 GPA in Information Technology |
| 09:56.16 | Shirik | IT people are stupid enough as it is.... combine that with a 2.7 and I'm not exactly surprised |
| 09:56.17 | Arrowmaster | i think mines lower than taht |
| 09:56.31 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: On a 4.0? |
| 09:56.38 | Arrowmaster | but thats because i was given credit without a grade for over half of my classes |
| 09:56.43 | Shirik | haha |
| 09:56.53 | Shirik | Well that shows up on your transcript a little differently |
| 09:57.10 | Arrowmaster | since i graduated highschool with 49/101 credits for an associate degree |
| 09:57.18 | Shirik | Maybe it's just because I'm in Engineering, though, but it seems like 3.0 is the number to try to hit |
| 09:58.05 | Arrowmaster | ive also droped classes after the cutoff period resulting in getting an F in them |
| 09:58.16 | Arrowmaster | quite a lot |
| 09:58.25 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: But you can also probably claim projects on your resume? |
| 09:58.40 | Arrowmaster | projects? |
| 09:58.44 | Shirik | I have no idea what your degree is in |
| 09:58.54 | Arrowmaster | network engineering |
| 09:58.59 | Shirik | blah |
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| 09:59.03 | Shirik | you need to go into computer science |
| 09:59.14 | Shirik | or better yet, computer engineering |
| 09:59.19 | Shirik | that's where the cool people are |
| 09:59.20 | Arrowmaster | my school doesnt actually have a 'computer science' degree |
| 09:59.23 | Shirik | high fives batrick |
| 09:59.43 | Arrowmaster | its only a community college |
| 10:00.04 | Shirik | Well in any case |
| 10:00.14 | Shirik | This person doesn't seem like she'd do very well in an interview |
| 10:00.28 | jnwhiteh | ["ENVIRONMENTAL_DAMAGE"] = true, |
| 10:00.32 | jnwhiteh | anyone have any idea when that fires. |
| 10:01.06 | Shirik | maybe standing on fires? |
| 10:01.23 | Shirik | Like the little permanent fires in Org or something |
| 10:01.48 | jnwhiteh | interesting |
| 10:01.49 | jnwhiteh | :P |
| 10:01.52 | jnwhiteh | good thought |
| 10:02.49 | Shirik | It only came to me because I have a habit of standing in them |
| 10:02.57 | Shirik | I get bored a lot :( |
| 10:03.03 | Arrowmaster | i finally got signed up for my second business english credit for the fall semester with a teacher that i know normally teaches the other english and doesnt agree with how all the other business english teachers assign a 10 page paper as most of the grade for the class, since thats suppost to be the focus of the other english class and not the business english |
| 10:03.17 | Arrowmaster | maybe i wont drop it this time and finally get the credit |
| 10:04.11 | Arrowmaster | im only 2 classes away from my associate degree after 5 years |
| 10:04.34 | Aqua | I had a 3.95 in computer engineering at Rose Hulman till i fell down a stairwell |
| 10:05.05 | Aqua | that kinda sucked |
| 10:07.22 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: That's curious |
| 10:07.38 | Shirik | I actually have a class where we take something that could easily be written in 10 pages |
| 10:07.45 | Shirik | and you have to write it in one page |
| 10:08.16 | Shirik | Do some other things like "describe a pencil's specifications." It's a lot harder than you would think |
| 10:08.29 | Shirik | "Technical Writing" |
| 10:09.01 | Arrowmaster | im very bad at writing, especially when i have to fill a set number of pages |
| 10:09.18 | Shirik | I never agreed with set number of pages |
| 10:09.22 | Shirik | fortunately most of my p |
| 10:09.27 | Shirik | professors agree with me |
| 10:09.36 | Shirik | content is what matters |
| 10:09.38 | Shirik | not quantity |
| 10:11.07 | Arrowmaster | i blame the school system, they never identified that i had learning disabilities until it was too late and ive perty much been conditioned that if im told to write a paper and it has to be atleast a certain length i just wont do it instead of risking doing it and not having enough |
| 10:11.50 | Arrowmaster | i know its a conditioned response but i cant stop it |
| 10:16.15 | batrick | Shirik: my first class I get to T/A is discrete math weird huh |
| 10:16.25 | batrick | I think all the other grad students tuck tail and run from it |
| 10:20.39 | jnwhiteh | meh, undergrads tend to run from it as well =) |
| 10:20.43 | jnwhiteh | with no good reason |
| 10:20.59 | jnwhiteh | fuck |
| 10:21.03 | jnwhiteh | i'm honor capped again |
| 10:21.03 | Arrowmaster | whats descrete math? |
| 10:21.05 | batrick | i'd sorta rather be teaching a class on code but whatever |
| 10:21.06 | jnwhiteh | getting so annoying. |
| 10:21.07 | batrick | math is fun too |
| 10:21.13 | mikma | haahaa |
| 10:21.32 | nevcairiel | discrete math is kinda easy, if you ask me =P |
| 10:21.49 | Arrowmaster | i would probably agree if i knew what it was |
| 10:22.08 | Arrowmaster | since i probably just dont recognize the name |
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| 10:24.42 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah, easy stuff |
| 10:25.10 | Arrowmaster | although its been many many years since i took a math class seriously so im probably very rusty |
| 10:26.15 | krka | kinda easy? really depends on what you're doing exactly |
| 10:26.26 | krka | there is some hard stuff in that category too |
| 10:29.04 | jnwhiteh | yeah its very abstract so it can be tough |
| 10:29.15 | jnwhiteh | but if you spend time working on it, most people can get there. |
| 10:29.30 | nevcairiel | thats true, the very abstract thinking can be a stretch at first |
| 10:29.35 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 10:29.43 | jnwhiteh | the books on it tend to be VERY VERY good tho |
| 10:29.46 | jnwhiteh | if you spend the time on it. |
| 10:29.51 | Grum | hmm will any major mods break with 3.2? |
| 10:30.21 | jnwhiteh | ALL MODZ ARE BROKEN CUZ BLIZZ DEOS NOT CARE> |
| 10:30.35 | Grum | OMIGOSCH, LAUNCH CEAILING CAT! |
| 10:30.54 | jnwhiteh | are there any fires in dalaran that you can stand on and get burnt? |
| 10:31.23 | mikma | whee for new battery! |
| 10:31.26 | Grum | probably inside the room with the cooking daily? |
| 10:31.36 | jnwhiteh | Grum: can i burn myself on the oven? |
| 10:31.37 | mikma | jnwhiteh: haahaa! honorcapped! haahaa! but! you can spent it |
| 10:31.45 | jnwhiteh | mikma: i spent it all the time |
| 10:31.47 | mikma | jnwhiteh: epic gems for 10k honor :D |
| 10:31.54 | Grum | not sure, but that is the only open fire i can remember |
| 10:32.00 | mikma | and, when season changes, new epix! |
| 10:32.13 | Grum | mikma: or 20 emblems, probably easier to get those =) |
| 10:32.14 | Fisker | imma trollin mah forums |
| 10:32.18 | jnwhiteh | mikma: but thats not now |
| 10:32.19 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 10:32.23 | jnwhiteh | i need to spend 10k |
| 10:32.29 | jnwhiteh | goes to buy something |
| 10:32.33 | jnwhiteh | i already ahve an extra inscription |
| 10:32.38 | jnwhiteh | err shoulder enchant. |
| 10:33.06 | mikma | jnwhiteh: .. that's not now? that's tomorrow O_o |
| 10:33.27 | jnwhiteh | but |
| 10:33.31 | nevcairiel | tomorrow is not now, mikma :P |
| 10:33.31 | jnwhiteh | i'll be doing wg between now and tomorrow |
| 10:34.07 | mikma | jnwhiteh: i know, buy the 10k honor shoulder enchant for new pvp shoulders |
| 10:34.15 | mikma | jnwhiteh: and alliance battle standard! it's awesome |
| 10:34.26 | jnwhiteh | .. |
| 10:34.30 | jnwhiteh | mikma: i already have the enchant |
| 10:34.33 | jnwhiteh | and the battle standard costs more |
| 10:34.35 | jnwhiteh | imo |
| 10:34.44 | mikma | yes but for the new shoulders you will get when season changes |
| 10:34.48 | jnwhiteh | Shirik: you're right! |
| 10:34.58 | jnwhiteh | mikma: I HAVE an extra one |
| 10:35.01 | jnwhiteh | I already said that, twice :P |
| 10:35.05 | jnwhiteh | sitting in my inventory, now |
| 10:35.09 | jnwhiteh | i've been honor capped for 3 weeks :P |
| 10:35.13 | jnwhiteh | so i have to keep spending |
| 10:35.18 | mikma | buy gems then |
| 10:35.25 | Grum | or just remain capped? ;) |
| 10:35.26 | jnwhiteh | shit gems imo |
| 10:35.33 | jnwhiteh | better to buy the cut ones on the AH |
| 10:35.35 | mikma | <1335> <Grum> or just remain capped? ;) |
| 10:35.36 | jnwhiteh | Grum: NO thats a waste |
| 10:35.38 | Grum | get the red ones, well em for some money? :) |
| 10:35.41 | Grum | *sell |
| 10:35.43 | jnwhiteh | i'll be running WG |
| 10:35.50 | jnwhiteh | psh, i need not money. |
| 10:35.58 | nevcairiel | do something else with your time? :D |
| 10:36.00 | mikma | battle standard is 15800 |
| 10:36.01 | Grum | then buy water!! |
| 10:36.10 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: its not time.. i do it while i'm writing the book |
| 10:36.11 | Grum | and play a mage!! |
| 10:37.27 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
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| 17:54.38 | *** topic/#wowuidev is http://wowuidev.pastey.net/ | 3.1.x ToC: 30100 | #WoWUIDev-commits: CIA & JIRA bots reporting | Sign up for BC UI dinner: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25437 | "or people that like to spy on people full power on my PCs" - niceguy777 |
| 17:55.06 | Lunessa | Hurrah for science, boo for places that will want to perform unconstitutional searches. |
| 17:57.15 | dardack | true dat |
| 17:57.49 | Dewin | btw: Blizzard is brilliant for scheduling extended maintenance on "just a few" realms last night to make people doubt the patch would be today. |
| 17:58.11 | dardack | yea i spent like 8k on 12 orbs |
| 17:58.15 | dardack | oh well only gold |
| 17:58.44 | Dewin | dardack: I didn't like it when I first tried it, I've had decent results since then however. |
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| 17:59.06 | dardack | i may try it again, for now curse client works in wine |
| 17:59.21 | Dewin | curse client isn't saying any of my addons are outdated, which somehow I don't buy. |
| 18:00.22 | Dewin | I guess I can uninstall Iriel's devtools. |
| 18:00.26 | Mikk | well if you only download "release" |
| 18:00.36 | Mikk | stuff gets pushed a lot more seldom |
| 18:01.26 | Dewin | or is there something in Devtools that Blizzard didn't add? |
| 18:02.01 | Shirik__ | dardack: It is not out of beta, no |
| 18:02.06 | Dewin | Even changing it to beta it's not finding any out of date addons... oh, new pallypower. |
| 18:02.07 | Shirik__ | However, that problem has been fixed |
| 18:02.10 | Shirik__ | in theory |
| 18:02.30 | Shirik__ | However, it will always download everything on the first install |
| 18:02.34 | Shirik__ | well |
| 18:02.40 | Shirik__ | unless it can be 100% sure it's identical |
| 18:02.48 | dardack | Shirik ok thanks i'll try it again soon, not now once 3.2 has stabalizied |
| 18:02.49 | Dewin | Shirik: Does minion update itself? |
| 18:02.53 | Shirik__ | yes |
| 18:02.56 | dardack | usually i go manually on patch days |
| 18:03.01 | Dewin | I know .jnlps can, I only have a minion.jar though |
| 18:03.15 | Shirik__ | you will either see a warning in the top right when an update is available, or if it's a "critical" update you will see a big message box pop up |
| 18:03.31 | Shirik__ | critical update being "it will break if you don't install this update" |
| 18:03.31 | dardack | what addons will probably be broken in this tho? chat ones? or where there other signifigant changes? |
| 18:03.33 | Dewin | Ah. Has there not been any updates since beta started? |
| 18:03.38 | Shirik__ | there was one early on |
| 18:03.49 | Shirik__ | since then, no, but there will likely be one soon |
| 18:04.07 | Dewin | Ah. |
| 18:04.49 | Shirik__ | I'm working between several different things right now :) |
| 18:05.01 | Shirik__ | plus my internship is closing up so that's slowing me down a little |
| 18:07.55 | dardack | woot for internships |
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| 18:11.09 | ccox | woot for codemonkeys, er, I mean interns! |
| 18:13.29 | Shirik__ | hey :( |
| 18:13.56 | ccox | Shirik - when will we get updates to minion to solve the addon misidentification issues? |
| 18:14.10 | ccox | or lack of identificiation (like Healbot) |
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| 18:18.21 | Shirik__ | ccox: An update was already pushed to address the earlier (over-aggressive) matching. Aside from that I can't say much more |
| 18:18.32 | Shirik__ | There will be an update to address part of it in the next patch |
| 18:18.45 | Shirik__ | that is, to look for the TOC line I mentioned to authors |
| 18:18.58 | Shirik__ | but that's not a very good solution to me |
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| 18:22.33 | Shirik__ | I'm always open to ideas :) I can't think of a sure-fire algorithm to detect it that does NOT rely on me modifying the files |
| 18:22.54 | Shirik__ | however always working to improve it |
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| 18:23.46 | DWSR | Did 3.2 drop this week |
| 18:23.56 | dardack | oday |
| 18:23.59 | dardack | t |
| 18:24.22 | Dewin | yes. |
| 18:24.24 | DWSR | ffs |
| 18:24.31 | Dewin | oh my god, I need to make so many engineering goodies |
| 18:24.39 | Dewin | I want a Jeeves and a Steam-Powered Auctioneer and and and |
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| 18:29.58 | alestane | I think the steam-powered auctioneer is a permanent installation in Dalaran. |
| 18:31.34 | Lunessa | He is. But only available to engineers. |
| 18:31.56 | Shirik__ | I think I just used every new C# 3.5 feature in a single statement |
| 18:33.50 | Shirik__ | keyword var to capture the result of a query which returns an anonymous structure which is created through a lambda function used on an extension method |
| 18:33.52 | Shirik__ | I win |
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| 18:35.28 | VonhintenHOME` | You missed LINQ |
| 18:36.13 | dardack | dang the auctioneer in dalaran is for eng only? |
| 18:36.16 | dardack | sigh |
| 18:37.43 | Shirik__ | LINQ is the query |
| 18:37.52 | Shirik__ | And besides, the extension method I'm using is from LINQ :) |
| 18:37.56 | VonhintenHOME` | it could also be the extension method |
| 18:37.58 | VonhintenHOME` | you did say! |
| 18:38.01 | VonhintenHOME` | didn't |
| 18:38.06 | Shirik__ | :P |
| 18:38.25 | Shirik__ | I'm not sure if this statement is epically good or epically bad |
| 18:38.37 | Philemon | It sounds complicated. |
| 18:38.54 | VonhintenHOME` | it's definitely a run-on, that much is sure. |
| 18:39.25 | Dewin | dardack: For a second I thought it was an engineering schematic that'd let me *summon* an auctioneer, so my disappointment is similar to yours. |
| 18:39.42 | dardack | i just hate having to use my hearth |
| 18:40.03 | Dewin | my engineer doesn't need to use a hearth to get to/from Dalaran so it really doesn't do me any good |
| 18:40.10 | nevcairiel | Didnt they have a schematic for a new repair bot that serves as an auctioneer for engineers? |
| 18:40.14 | nevcairiel | or did they scrub that again? |
| 18:40.16 | Dewin | Jeeves? |
| 18:40.26 | Dewin | I don't think it does auctions... might do bank |
| 18:40.33 | Dewin | let me look again |
| 18:40.41 | Dewin | A new repair bot has been added, and his name is Jeeves. He is the ultimate gentleman robot butler, able to perform all the mundane tasks of repairing, selling and buying junk for your entire raid. Additionally, he can open bank boxes for skilled engineers (350+). Jeeves is not destroyed when used, but due to pressing engagements, can only be summoned once an hour. The schematic for this handsome robot was said to be hidden within the p |
| 18:40.58 | nevcairiel | ah only bank |
| 18:42.18 | Shirik__ | I just got an email that says "I called. They are open. Let's go there for lunch." |
| 18:42.20 | Dewin | dardack: Also, everyone in Dalaran will now ask be /y Looking for an engineer to buy X from the auction house for me. |
| 18:42.27 | Shirik__ | I have no idea who they are :) |
| 18:43.01 | Dewin | ... where did that "ask" come from. |
| 18:43.53 | dardack | Dewin: how do you not need hearth? |
| 18:44.19 | Dewin | I'm a mage. |
| 18:44.24 | Dewin | my engineer is, anyways |
| 18:45.08 | dardack | oh |
| 18:45.11 | dardack | duh |
| 18:45.50 | Dewin | It's nice because I can use my hearth as a "where is this out of the way place I want to be able to get to quickly" |
| 18:48.32 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, 'they' is the resturant |
| 18:49.08 | Legorol | what's the channel name for Curse on here? |
| 18:49.12 | Lunessa | Shirik: Don't you love getting messages meant for someone else? |
| 18:53.07 | Shirik__ | oh it was meant for me |
| 18:53.12 | Shirik__ | he just didn't say what restaurant :P |
| 18:53.15 | nicoli_s | legrol, #wowace or #curseforge |
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| 18:57.47 | Lunessa | Shirik: Way to ruin my fun. I had this total bitch session built up in my head, and you just killed it. Why are you so mean man? WHY? |
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| 18:58.50 | Jamash | patch day patch day wheee |
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| 19:00.11 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Lunessa: like that would stop you from bitching. |
| 19:01.00 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSan1: Nothing does. I'd almost be willing to say that bitching is a universal constant, an inalienable right of all sentient beings. |
| 19:01.44 | wsoul | Heh, I feel like I'm in a pharmacutical channel after the last line |
| 19:02.23 | Legorol | Can someone enlighten me: has US not received 3.2? |
| 19:02.30 | Lunessa | Would you like a "Whoopy-di-frikkin-do" pill? :P |
| 19:02.34 | Jamash | US servers are down for 3.2 |
| 19:02.36 | NightHawkTheSan1 | we have. i updated earlier today |
| 19:02.38 | Legorol | ah phew |
| 19:02.41 | NightHawkTheSan1 | but yeah, servers are still down |
| 19:02.42 | Legorol | then someone was talking rubbish |
| 19:02.53 | Legorol | I thought US did get it, but then someone claimed it's coming in EU first |
| 19:02.59 | Legorol | that'd have been a first |
| 19:03.06 | NightHawkTheSan1 | protip: other people are idiots |
| 19:03.28 | wsoul | Major nerf for dks wit hthis patch |
| 19:03.33 | Legorol | NightHawkTheSan1: which is why i ask several other people, and try to correlate the answers and figure out the statistical likelihood of the conflicting results |
| 19:03.40 | Lunessa | pro tip: ALL people are idiots. |
| 19:03.45 | Legorol | wsoul: don't worry about DKs, they are still not nerfed enough ;) |
| 19:03.51 | Legorol | It will take a couple more patches for us to be in line |
| 19:03.59 | Legorol | I'm still very happy with my DK, both as tank and dps |
| 19:04.12 | NightHawkTheSan1 | meh, everyone whines they got nerfed, if it bothers you that much, go play a different class or game. |
| 19:04.38 | wsoul | Legorol: pugs always bitch about dks tanking, and haven't had any problem so far me tanking just at the very beginning cause wasn't aware of the actual rotation |
| 19:04.48 | Ackis | ok I have a winxp networking issue... gf is trying to login on a network drive, however she can't change the username in the login box (it's greyed out). How do I get that username changed? |
| 19:04.52 | Jamash | I like my DK, didn't notice anything in the notes that would make me stop liking him |
| 19:05.06 | wsoul | Jamash: my main is a dk |
| 19:05.34 | wsoul | Leveling up an alt very slowly priest and will be shadow ofc |
| 19:06.09 | wsoul | 31k unbuffed, decent gear |
| 19:06.15 | wsoul | and i hate pugs |
| 19:06.56 | Legorol | wsoul: why would pugs bitch about DKs? |
| 19:07.01 | wsoul | or those who insist on avhievement + stats and they have a crappy gear themselves, the dude the other day kept nagging on only lvl 80s "for the horde" he was 75 himself |
| 19:07.15 | Legorol | DKs were and are the best 5-man tanks, and if you pug anything else, you'll get whined about everything including the sky's colour |
| 19:07.46 | wsoul | Legorol: i never had any luck with pugs, they always complain and i mean alwaysm, did i tell you they ask for stats for doing heroics i.e. nexus and Vh? |
| 19:08.13 | Legorol | well depends on what the pug wants |
| 19:08.24 | NightHawkTheSan1 | to people who ask for stats i say "good enough.", if they dont like that, they're too dumb to group with |
| 19:08.25 | Legorol | if it's a farmgroup or going for achis, i am not surprsied they want wellgeared people |
| 19:08.25 | wsoul | the minute i see an idiot asking such idiotic question he/she/it goes to my ignore list |
| 19:08.34 | Legorol | if it's a group of alts that want gear, then it's silly to ask others for stats |
| 19:09.00 | wsoul | NightHawkTheSan1: tru, i always say "check armory" |
| 19:09.04 | erikd | anyone need an enus patch mirror? i have one set up |
| 19:09.48 | wsoul | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kazzak&n=Aammaa |
| 19:10.25 | wsoul | in naxx groups always disband right after thadius, i mean if you cannot understand it pay attention to -------Boss+++++ |
| 19:10.43 | wsoul | i think NightHawkTheSan1 you said it a while back thadius = retard check or some such |
| 19:11.42 | NightHawkTheSan1 | hm, i dont recall saying that in here, but i may have. its certainly true |
| 19:11.58 | wsoul | hehe someone did i cannot remember who |
| 19:13.21 | wsoul | i rarely do naxx because of that... haven't done voa cause i don't have the bloody achievement |
| 19:13.32 | wsoul | and everyone says voa is a piece of cake |
| 19:14.07 | wsoul | i'm actually waiting the day were you can migrate your char from horde to alliance and vice versa |
| 19:14.24 | NightHawkTheSan1 | "You blow up ONE sun, and suddenly everyone expects you to walk on water!" |
| 19:15.22 | wsoul | hehe |
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| 19:16.11 | wsoul | it doesn't matter much on which side i play, my friends play on silvermoon alliance |
| 19:16.24 | wsoul | and wanted me to join them as a tank and i hate starting from scratch |
| 19:18.52 | Shirik__ | Lunessa: o.O |
| 19:18.54 | Shirik__ | what did I kill |
| 19:19.28 | wsoul | i wonder if you will get titanium powder with each prospect |
| 19:19.42 | wsoul | each powder will get you 1 JC token |
| 19:20.51 | ZorbaTHut | you don't, but it's reasonably common |
| 19:22.20 | ZorbaTHut | I seem to recall it's >50% |
| 19:22.41 | wsoul | j |
| 19:22.51 | wsoul | Hmm, it's easier then to buy recipes that way |
| 19:23.05 | wsoul | 6 days to buy 1 recipe for the def ring |
| 19:23.09 | ZorbaTHut | I'll be interested in seeing how the market ends up balancing |
| 19:25.56 | ZorbaTHut | it's certainly *easier*, but it may end up extremely expensive, especially soon after 3.2 |
| 19:26.16 | ZorbaTHut | oh, it looks like it's ten powder for one token, unless they changed it |
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| 19:26.25 | wsoul | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:26.29 | wsoul | wha? |
| 19:26.37 | ZorbaTHut | ten titanium powder = one JC token |
| 19:26.48 | wsoul | pffft that's rediculous |
| 19:26.51 | wsoul | you sure? |
| 19:27.13 | ZorbaTHut | http://ptr.wowhead.com/?quest=14103 |
| 19:27.16 | wsoul | and i just bought that recipe for the ring earlier today |
| 19:27.26 | NightHawkTheSan1 | thats not terribly rediculous |
| 19:27.31 | ZorbaTHut | looks like around a 75% drop rate from prospecting |
| 19:27.49 | ZorbaTHut | so, ~67 titanium ore = 1 JC token (and some other stuff) |
| 19:28.10 | wsoul | yeah gems as well |
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| 19:28.37 | NightHawkTheSan1 | its still more tokens than you were getting previously |
| 19:28.44 | ZorbaTHut | pfft, gems. whatever. |
| 19:28.45 | wsoul | true |
| 19:29.25 | ZorbaTHut | http://img188.imageshack.us/i/wowscrnshot072709235230.jpg/ http://img140.imageshack.us/i/wowscrnshot072809010735.jpg/ there's a rough breakdown of what you can expect :) |
| 19:30.26 | wsoul | i was happy for having i think 10x20 ores :/ |
| 19:30.37 | wsoul | i thought 1 proespect = 1 powder |
| 19:30.49 | NightHawkTheSan1 | thats a lot of titanium |
| 19:30.55 | alestane | Anyone run into difficulty applying the patch on a Windows machine? |
| 19:30.55 | ZorbaTHut | sounds like it'll be a little more expensive than that |
| 19:31.02 | wsoul | i may have more have to check my bank |
| 19:31.14 | wsoul | but i have the smelted ones a lot of them and titansteel too =) |
| 19:31.38 | Tem | shit |
| 19:31.41 | Tem | I can't patch |
| 19:31.43 | wsoul | saving the steel ones for that waist i wanted too plus deathdealer feet armor |
| 19:31.56 | Tem | It blows up on verifying patch.mpq |
| 19:32.02 | wsoul | the waist cost 6890g so far |
| 19:32.08 | Tem | wants me to reinstall |
| 19:32.59 | Lunessa | Tem ouch |
| 19:33.25 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Tem: :( |
| 19:33.34 | wsoul | May the Force be with you |
| 19:33.45 | ZorbaTHut | so, 3.2 patch is apparently today? |
| 19:33.58 | nevcairiel | apparently |
| 19:34.31 | NightHawkTheSan1 | "apparently"? |
| 19:34.34 | NightHawkTheSan1 | yes, it is today :P |
| 19:34.37 | Philemon | +alestane, I did. Some VC++ runtime error. |
| 19:34.55 | NightHawkTheSan1 | also, crafting in runes of magic bloody sucks. :( |
| 19:37.30 | nicoli_s | wheres the QH 2.0 you promised ZorbaTHut |
| 19:38.31 | Tem | they pulled the quest features from the patch |
| 19:38.38 | Tem | way to be 3 weeks behind in ui news |
| 19:38.42 | Aqua | ~aliert |
| 19:38.45 | Aqua | ~alert |
| 19:38.46 | purl | I'm falling asleep listening to you boring morons... |
| 19:38.57 | ZorbaTHut | nicoli, I have never ever had plans for a QH 2.0. I did have plans for a QH 1.0, which is released. ;) |
| 19:39.07 | Aqua | i thought that was the command to get the wowalert link |
| 19:39.13 | ScytheBlade1 | ~wowalert |
| 19:39.14 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 19:39.17 | Aqua | thanks... |
| 19:39.34 | Aqua | crap, they are doing database work... |
| 19:40.24 | nicoli_s | ZorbaTHut, lies, you promised us 2.0! gives! |
| 19:41.13 | NightHawkTheSan1 | ZorbaTHut: and a pony |
| 19:41.20 | ZorbaTHut | make your own 2.0 :P |
| 19:41.52 | ZorbaTHut | alternatively send me a whole lot of money and I'll get to work on a 2.0 |
| 19:42.45 | Aqua | I need an idea for a new addon myself, i'm kinda blah on what to write |
| 19:43.21 | ZorbaTHut | aqua, write an addon that tracks all the "pre-raid" stuff. Like a Failbot for when people are out of combat. Buffs, flasks, gear levels, enchantments, gems. |
| 19:44.44 | Aqua | hmmmm |
| 19:44.47 | NightHawkTheSan1 | write an addon that aggregates tradeskill links that you see, and lets you peruse them later |
| 19:44.47 | Aqua | sounds interesting |
| 19:45.08 | Lunessa | I want a pony, a swimming pool full of Jell-O, and QuestHelper 2.0 - geif! |
| 19:45.27 | Aqua | I want a swimming pool full of Jell-O and 2 hot chicks going at it in the pool |
| 19:45.34 | Aqua | nerds dream |
| 19:46.08 | Lunessa | I didn't say what I wanted any of those things for. I figured there was plenty of imagination in here to supply more answers than I could dream of. |
| 19:46.30 | ZorbaTHut | I'm curious how many uses you can come up with for QH 2.0, besides the obvious |
| 19:46.32 | Aqua | well.... I dont' like to read between the lines personally |
| 19:46.53 | Aqua | Too bad we couldn't make QH 2.0 and combine it with TourGuide |
| 19:47.07 | Aqua | althought i like the original QH |
| 19:47.15 | ZorbaTHut | what would it do? the two sort of overlap each other |
| 19:47.36 | Aqua | I know some people like the follow the bouncing ball method of questing |
| 19:47.47 | Lunessa | Actually, I never used QH - I just cursed the people who used it to replace thinking and complained on forums. |
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| 19:48.49 | nevcairiel | TG pre-defines a route for you to follow (go there, pickup quest, go there, buy item for quest later), QH only tells you where to solve your *current* quests, its not much of an overlap if you ask me |
| 19:48.52 | NightHawkTheSan1 | yeah, i really hate people in guild who never have any idea where anything actually is because they just let QH, or carbonite, or whatever do all the thinking and lead them around by the nose. |
| 19:49.12 | ZorbaTHut | nev, they both tell you what you should be doing, they just go about it in different manners |
| 19:49.26 | ZorbaTHut | although I have been intending to rig up some future-prediction in QH |
| 19:49.29 | Aqua | bouncing ball versus throw it up in the air and figure it out |
| 19:49.36 | Aqua | imo |
| 19:49.57 | Lunessa | nevcairiel: You have support for the new totem bar in BT4? |
| 19:50.08 | nevcairiel | i hope |
| 19:50.17 | nevcairiel | i didnt test it since one of the earliest ptr builds |
| 19:50.38 | Lunessa | Just curious. :D |
| 19:51.28 | ZorbaTHut | does BT3 still work in 3.2, or am I gonna be forcibly upgraded? |
| 19:51.37 | ZorbaTHut | oh wait I'm already using BT4 |
| 19:51.44 | ZorbaTHut | must've been some other thing that had a major update |
| 19:51.44 | nevcairiel | BT3 hasnt worked since 3.0 |
| 19:51.59 | VonhintenHOME` | Pitbull maybe? |
| 19:52.05 | ZorbaTHut | ah, Pitbull, that would be it |
| 19:52.15 | VonhintenHOME` | Pitbull 4 is worth using anyway, should switch |
| 19:52.32 | ZorbaTHut | I'm sure it's good, I just don't want to redo my interface, and as I recall there's no import option |
| 19:52.55 | VonhintenHOME` | I hear ya.. |
| 19:53.06 | ZorbaTHut | on the other hand I've been meaning to rebuild my UI anyway |
| 19:53.17 | ZorbaTHut | maybe I'll do it once I get stuff working again in 3.2 |
| 19:53.17 | VonhintenHOME` | good to do every now and then |
| 19:53.24 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: Shefki posted a patched version of the config library for Rock that'll let you use 3.0 |
| 19:53.34 | Aqua | anyone know of an example of a purely lua interface options panel, thats one think i've never been good at doing |
| 19:53.44 | VonhintenHOME` | My Pitbull3 saved variables were quite goofed up by the time I switched to PB4 |
| 19:53.57 | VonhintenHOME` | layouts were hosed, switching made life easier |
| 19:57.32 | VonhintenHOME` | I just found out the stuff I've been working on for the last month is being scrapped in favor of newer tech that wasn't ready when I started... sigh |
| 19:58.10 | Lunessa | Intriguing - http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/08/newbloom/ |
| 19:59.46 | foxlit | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/downloads/wallpapers/images/154/1024x768.jpg << pretty sword. |
| 20:00.04 | foxlit | Though looks somewhat impractical. |
| 20:00.31 | Philemon | It looks a little familiar. |
| 20:00.32 | foxlit | wonders if they reused a SC2 font for the logo. |
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| 20:01.52 | Lunessa | foxlit: The Ashbringer! |
| 20:02.06 | Aqua | Anyone have a lua example of interface options? pure lua, no ace or anything |
| 20:02.25 | mikma | Assbringer |
| 20:02.30 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Using_the_Interface_Options_Addons_panel |
| 20:02.42 | foxlit | #Example entirely in Lua if you're so inclined |
| 20:02.54 | VonhintenHOME` | so Billy Clinton goes to N Korea, and the journalists are pardoned... |
| 20:03.05 | VonhintenHOME` | what the hell |
| 20:03.27 | Aqua | thats what i was looking at foxlit, I've got a syntax error or something i guess |
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| 20:06.20 | Lunessa | North Korea - The Axis of Pretty Evil, But We Can Be Talked Off The Ledge. |
| 20:06.31 | p3lim | have they fixed all the icon/texture issues with the equipment manager now? |
| 20:06.36 | foxlit | psst, axis requires more than one point. |
| 20:09.12 | Lunessa | foxlit: I know. I'm just making a (admittedly obscure) reference to them being in the "Axis of Evil" states. |
| 20:09.33 | foxlit | I realize that. |
| 20:09.57 | ZorbaTHut | wonder what wowmatrix is gonna do in 3.2, they'll no longer have a working version of QH |
| 20:10.59 | foxlit | Why, patch it of course. |
| 20:11.11 | foxlit | What could possibly have broken? :) |
| 20:11.13 | tekkub | did you de-GPL it? |
| 20:11.19 | ZorbaTHut | tekkub, yeah |
| 20:11.27 | tekkub | eeeeeeeheheheheheheheeee |
| 20:11.55 | ZorbaTHut | when I released 1.0, in fact - the main branch is up to 1.1.7, WM is still using 0.106 |
| 20:12.57 | jnwhiteh | ZorbaTHut: add an LDB feed for the questhelper arrow :P |
| 20:13.22 | ZorbaTHut | jn, write the code for it and I'll merge it in |
| 20:13.31 | ZorbaTHut | although I think you should be able to write an external QH feed |
| 20:13.46 | ZorbaTHut | QH exports a way to request callbacks when the arrow changes |
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| 20:15.16 | Tem | Have any of you done the 5 man CC instance? |
| 20:15.34 | jnwhiteh | ZorbaTHut: its in TomTom =) |
| 20:15.37 | jnwhiteh | just steal it |
| 20:15.50 | jnwhiteh | should be like 2 lines of ode |
| 20:15.52 | jnwhiteh | ut i'll look at it |
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| 20:15.59 | p3lim | holy crap my computer sucks! |
| 20:16.18 | p3lim | used like 3 min to focus a tab in firefox just now |
| 20:16.26 | ZorbaTHut | alright, I'll check it out in a while |
| 20:16.29 | p3lim | while spotify lagged like mad in the background |
| 20:16.29 | Industrial | Tem: tomorrow/ :P |
| 20:16.31 | Industrial | ? |
| 20:16.42 | Tem | it was up on the PTR |
| 20:16.54 | Tem | so I'm wondering if anyone here did it while it was up on there |
| 20:17.25 | foxlit | is too lazy for PTR |
| 20:17.56 | ZorbaTHut | I wish they'd add more 5-man instances as they moved up |
| 20:18.03 | ZorbaTHut | two new instances per content patch, or something like that |
| 20:18.26 | nevcairiel | they have never been really big on adding 5mans |
| 20:19.05 | ZorbaTHut | I wonder what the percentage breakdowns are on people who never reach heroic+raid tier vs. those who do heroics, but no raids vs. those who raid |
| 20:19.19 | ZorbaTHut | the middle category is currently pretty damn neglected, but I don't know if it's a significant group of people |
| 20:20.01 | nevcairiel | you could add 5 new 5mans every content patch, but they would still be played-out after a month .. its not lasting content |
| 20:20.38 | ZorbaTHut | I don't think that's true - if you make sure each one steps up another notch, and put some difficulty gradients in them as well, I think people would progress up through them reasonably |
| 20:21.06 | VonhintenHOME` | There's nothing really to work towards |
| 20:21.36 | ZorbaTHut | sure there is, "better gear" |
| 20:22.06 | nevcairiel | imho, 10man raids cover that area .. its not hard to get a working group |
| 20:22.07 | VonhintenHOME` | WoW has no good PVP end game. The end game is "create an alt", which gets really old really quick |
| 20:22.33 | ZorbaTHut | raids have the week lockout and the huge-committment-of-time issues, though |
| 20:23.02 | ZorbaTHut | if I'm someone who can only hop on for an hour at a time - and I know people who are like that - they're pretty much done with the game when they're done with heroics |
| 20:23.26 | ZorbaTHut | with, by and large, nothing to look forward to besides the next expansion. and maybe one new heroic midway through the expansion cycle. |
| 20:23.30 | jnwhiteh | VonhintenHOME`: what would you propose for a pvp endgame? |
| 20:23.38 | VonhintenHOME` | that's the problem... you log in, you stand around for a half an hour looking for something to do, and there's nothing. 5 mans died a long time ago, 10 mans require too much effort and frequently fail if you don't try to build a good group |
| 20:23.41 | Aqua | this is legal right: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/119985 |
| 20:23.51 | VonhintenHOME` | jnwhiteh, <see: DAoC> |
| 20:24.11 | nevcairiel | WoW has never been a real PvP game |
| 20:24.11 | ZorbaTHut | pshht, that's not a pvp endgame |
| 20:24.12 | ScytheBlade1 | Aqua: yes, that is legal |
| 20:24.13 | nevcairiel | and it never will |
| 20:24.13 | ZorbaTHut | now, Eve Online |
| 20:24.15 | ZorbaTHut | that's a pvp endgame |
| 20:24.19 | jnwhiteh | VonhintenHOME`: I've never seen/played it. |
| 20:24.25 | Philemon | lol. EVE. |
| 20:24.26 | jnwhiteh | so I dont know what the differences are |
| 20:24.26 | Aqua | Thanks ScytheBlade1, just double checking myself |
| 20:24.26 | Pneu^ | EVE is a good example |
| 20:24.37 | nevcairiel | like you can compare eve and wow |
| 20:24.42 | ZorbaTHut | it would be hilarious if Blizzard added Eve-style combat to WoW. there would be so much complaining. (and it would destroy WoW, so it'd be a terrible idea, but it would be hilarious) |
| 20:24.44 | nevcairiel | the games are so much alike :P |
| 20:25.06 | Dagmar | EVE: "So boring, all the casuals will play elsewhere" |
| 20:25.32 | VonhintenHOME` | When you logged in DAoC, you went outside to the RvR zone, and looked for a group. You could PUG or run with a set group... and it never got boring.. until the game got old and the population died |
| 20:25.44 | Philemon | If you've got the resources, it's a good game to play *in addition to* WoW. |
| 20:25.48 | VonhintenHOME` | When you killed other people, you got realm points, and those points meant something |
| 20:26.04 | VonhintenHOME` | you got a rank, that the enemy could see. You got skill points to buy abilities. |
| 20:26.10 | Dagmar | Mainly they meant you spent a lot of time using AoE attacks |
| 20:26.10 | Philemon | Start mining an asteroid, alt+tab, continue raiding, alt+tab, switch asteroids. |
| 20:26.39 | ZorbaTHut | that's the boring part of eve |
| 20:26.42 | foxlit | I prefer my asteroid mining to be controlled by an agent. |
| 20:26.44 | nevcairiel | I used to play browser games like that, dont need eve online =p |
| 20:26.47 | ZorbaTHut | eve's pvp is good. eve's mining is . . . atrocious |
| 20:27.00 | Philemon | Oh I love it. |
| 20:27.20 | VonhintenHOME` | and your daily and weekly performance was tracked on a website, to give you epeen to show off. servers were small, so the communities formed, rather than huge anonymous population |
| 20:27.26 | Philemon | It's very satisfying to see all my orbs nicely organized just how I like them. |
| 20:27.38 | Philemon | s/orbs/ores/ |
| 20:27.43 | nevcairiel | eve had a too steep learning curve for me, i couldn't get the hang of it fast enough, so i left bored |
| 20:27.44 | Dagmar | I'll stick with having a real penis to show off, thanks |
| 20:27.58 | Industrial | VonhintenHOME`: daoc was the shit |
| 20:28.06 | Industrial | until bots kileld it |
| 20:28.11 | VonhintenHOME` | the point is, the game gave you motivation to keep playing |
| 20:28.18 | VonhintenHOME` | there's no real motivation in WoW |
| 20:28.21 | VonhintenHOME` | it's hollow |
| 20:28.24 | foxlit | if bots can kill your game... you're doing it wrong. |
| 20:28.24 | Dagmar | You need motivation beyond "fun" |
| 20:28.26 | Dagmar | ? |
| 20:28.43 | Industrial | everyone and his mother had a 2nd account |
| 20:28.45 | nevcairiel | the fun in wow has vanished a long tiem ago |
| 20:28.45 | Industrial | with buffing bots |
| 20:28.48 | Dagmar | If you're not having fun, congratulations you just picked up the lowest-paying shit job ever. Time to quit |
| 20:29.32 | ZorbaTHut | dagmar, personally, I like a longer-term form of fun |
| 20:29.41 | ZorbaTHut | I like having things to make progress towards that I can actually be proud of. |
| 20:29.42 | VonhintenHOME` | Industrial, I had 3, 2 buff bots... I didn't have a problem with it... especially when they added buff stripping, so you had to have a druid/cleric/shaman in your group specced for field buffs |
| 20:29.53 | ZorbaTHut | Otherwise I'm just sitting there playing Punch The Monkey. |
| 20:29.58 | Industrial | didnt play that long |
| 20:30.01 | VonhintenHOME` | Achievements are hollow to me... I couldn't care less |
| 20:30.08 | Aqua | ^ agreed |
| 20:30.11 | Aqua | nerd points |
| 20:30.14 | Industrial | its fun when you have a lot of achieves |
| 20:30.30 | Aqua | if they were used for something, other than how big of an E-Ego you have |
| 20:30.40 | Aqua | I'd see more interest in them |
| 20:30.59 | nevcairiel | when achievements were first released, i liked them, and did some of the fun ones |
| 20:30.59 | nevcairiel | but it got boring fast |
| 20:30.59 | VonhintenHOME` | For a brief period of time, when ZA was new and having a bear mount meant something, I enjoyed that |
| 20:30.59 | Dagmar | I'd prefer it if there were just the 'bar tricks' ones for completing heroics in interestingly stupid ways |
| 20:31.00 | Industrial | its not ego per so, its just fun to do |
| 20:31.06 | Industrial | per se* |
| 20:31.18 | Aqua | the server i'm on its ego |
| 20:31.30 | Aqua | there is a guild that won't let you in if you don't have X achievement points |
| 20:31.40 | Industrial | it depends on the player not the people around him imo |
| 20:31.40 | Industrial | lol. |
| 20:32.02 | Dagmar | "Overgeared? Nahh...: Complete 10-Man Maly with only 7 people. 30 points." |
| 20:32.06 | foxlit | Aqua: <Overachievers>? |
| 20:32.20 | Aqua | foxlit: <ID10T' |
| 20:32.24 | Aqua | .... bah |
| 20:32.27 | Aqua | foxlit: <ID10Ts> |
| 20:32.30 | Aqua | is what i meant |
| 20:32.35 | foxlit | Why would you want that guild tag? |
| 20:33.05 | Aqua | I was being sarcastic |
| 20:33.09 | Aqua | thats not their guild tag |
| 20:33.25 | foxlit | Lame. |
| 20:38.43 | jnwhiteh | !api fmod |
| 20:38.44 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'math.fmod' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-math.fmod |
| 20:39.15 | foxlit | fmod is like %, except the signs are backwards. |
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| 20:40.35 | foxlit | [and it's not -- not really] |
| 20:40.44 | alestane | Not to be confused with math.modf(x), which returns the integer and fractional parts of x separately. |
| 20:41.23 | alestane | And IIRC, modf and % in Lua are backwards of the way they are in C. |
| 20:42.24 | jnwhiteh | I _LOVE_ modf |
| 20:42.25 | jnwhiteh | so useful |
| 20:43.17 | alestane | ? |
| 20:43.22 | foxlit | alestane: those two messages look awesome right next to each other. |
| 20:43.43 | foxlit | s/those/your/ |
| 20:44.00 | alestane | Especially since I meant fmod the second time. |
| 20:44.06 | foxlit | Exactly. |
| 20:45.14 | alestane | All I can tell for sure is that in Lua, the % operator rounds the quotient toward negative infinity and fmod rounds the quotient toward zero. |
| 20:45.30 | alestane | lua> math.modf(-17.345) |
| 20:45.30 | lua_bot | alestane: -17, -0.345 |
| 20:45.40 | alestane | Okay, that's what I expected. |
| 20:45.56 | foxlit | Isn't it easier to define a % b as "returns a number between 0 and b" ? |
| 20:46.39 | alestane | The question arises when a or b is negative, especially a. |
| 20:47.00 | foxlit | I believe that definition adequately addresses that question |
| 20:47.08 | alestane | Is -10 % 6 == 4, or 2? |
| 20:47.14 | alestane | In Lua, it's 2. |
| 20:47.32 | alestane | But in some implementations of C, I believe it's 4. |
| 20:47.51 | foxlit | Why would it be 4? |
| 20:48.20 | foxlit | Well, nevermind -- depends on how you define what it should do. |
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| 20:50.20 | alestane | -10 / 6 == -1.6~, so the remainder of -10/6 can be defined as -10 - (6 * -1), or 4. |
| 20:50.36 | alestane | But there are situations where either might be what you want, so they provide both. |
| 20:51.02 | foxlit | -4, surely? |
| 20:51.32 | alestane | Yes, yes. |
| 20:52.49 | foxlit | While fmod would be between -b/2 and b/2, I guess. |
| 20:52.54 | alestane | But anyway, the bottom line is that there are different definitions of how modulus works for negative divisors or dividends, and it's important to be clear on which one you're using. |
| 20:52.57 | robotusch | looks upwards to check that it is indeed #wowuidev rather than #calculus |
| 20:53.16 | alestane | Calculus? You call this calculus? |
| 20:53.29 | robotusch | Not really |
| 20:53.38 | Cide | it's discreet math if anything |
| 20:53.46 | alestane | My Starcraft resourcing analysis a couple weeks ago was calculus. |
| 20:53.46 | robotusch | I just used what I assumed might describe the above calculations |
| 20:53.54 | foxlit | Mm. Discrete math. In your browser. Sign up now. |
| 20:53.57 | robotusch | the fuck if I know if it counts as calculus or arithmatics |
| 20:54.00 | foxlit | s/ete/eet/ |
| 20:54.05 | foxlit | I screwed up my own joke :( |
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| 21:02.00 | foxlit | "What needs to be done to a mod to get around the secure handler that prevents it from being updated in combat? " |
| 21:02.24 | alestane | Someone on the forums? |
| 21:02.28 | foxlit | Indeed. |
| 21:02.40 | foxlit | I'm looking for the Babbage quote. |
| 21:02.59 | foxlit | "On two occasions I have been asked [by members of Parliament!], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." |
| 21:03.43 | foxlit | Not quite the same problem, but the question reminded me of that quote. |
| 21:04.01 | alestane | They could always go play on a private server, I guess, but I'm pretty sure I'd get in trouble for advocating that on Blizzard's forum. |
| 21:04.23 | End | That' |
| 21:04.25 | End | blah |
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| 21:04.37 | alestane | Yes, apostrophe is right next to Enter. |
| 21:04.39 | End | that's why the answer is "you're not allowed to" |
| 21:04.56 | End | Yes, yes it is |
| 21:05.00 | foxlit | I don't think that's a private servers question. |
| 21:05.02 | End | damn enter jumped out in front of me! |
| 21:05.20 | foxlit | "How is it that Xperl is able to update its raid frames while in combat, while other addons, ex. Vuhdo Raid Frames are unable to." is the boring set-up that I ignored. |
| 21:06.33 | alestane | It is, then, somewhat an entirely mistaken question. |
| 21:06.56 | alestane | What they are really asking is, how come some raid frames are written in a fully functional way and some aren't? |
| 21:07.23 | alestane | I shouldn't have put "somewhat" and "entirely" together like that. |
| 21:07.31 | Shadowed | who is this thats asking |
| 21:07.44 | foxlit | There's a thread on the US UI forums. |
| 21:07.58 | Shadowed | oh I see |
| 21:08.11 | Shadowed | That's an easy question, some are written proplery, others aren't :P |
| 21:08.40 | foxlit | I do wonder why there's comparatively little documentation for the secure group headers around the net. |
| 21:09.07 | alestane | Because wowcompares is down. |
| 21:09.18 | alestane | s/down/in transition/ |
| 21:09.25 | foxlit | That would seem like an odd dependency. |
| 21:09.38 | alestane | Most of the documentation is comments in SecureTemplates.lua. |
| 21:10.03 | Shadowed | I didn't find the documentation in secure templates that helpful for the parts like how to create header stuff in combat |
| 21:10.40 | alestane | Gotta go, sorry. |
| 21:10.47 | foxlit | alestane: I wouldn't quite call that documentatio. |
| 21:11.00 | Shadowed | it's nice for "What does this attribute do" but for learning how to make it work in combat it won't help much |
| 21:11.13 | foxlit | ^ More or less my point. |
| 21:11.28 | Shadowed | took me an hour or two of poking around in other mods to learn how to do it |
| 21:11.39 | Shadowed | but it's not hard, someone just has to write it down |
| 21:12.12 | foxlit | Hm, I'd probably be reading SecureTemplates.lua if I wanted to know. |
| 21:12.59 | foxlit | But the issue hardly ever comes up -- not very tempting to write your own raid frames mod. |
| 21:13.04 | Shadowed | ndeed |
| 21:13.06 | Shadowed | +i |
| 21:13.57 | foxlit | I'd imagine the simplest way to get around all of that would be to just create all 40 frames and RegisterUnitWatch them. |
| 21:14.05 | Shadowed | yea :p |
| 21:14.15 | Shadowed | but all people really need to know is, if you have any size changes or positioning, do it in initialConfigFunction |
| 21:14.38 | Shadowed | after that you can wait until the frame "officially" initializes through the unit attribute being set |
| 21:15.03 | jnwhiteh | its been written down |
| 21:15.07 | jnwhiteh | its all in chapter 27 of the first edition of the book |
| 21:15.09 | jnwhiteh | you're welcome. |
| 21:15.24 | foxlit | Your book isn't on the net. |
| 21:15.33 | Shadowed | I don't remember if it was clear |
| 21:15.35 | Shadowed | checks |
| 21:15.36 | foxlit | [Well, perhaps it is, but I'm not going to find out] |
| 21:15.46 | Shadowed | except iI don't remember where I placed the book |
| 21:15.48 | jnwhiteh | clearly, because you'd rather speak against it without researching it. |
| 21:16.05 | jnwhiteh | i'll just stop ever mentioning the book here, since it seems to me that it offends you on some base level. |
| 21:16.06 | foxlit | I don't think that's what I'm saying. |
| 21:16.17 | jnwhiteh | well that's true, but its rather difficult to say. |
| 21:16.43 | jnwhiteh | http://www.wowdb.com/talent.aspx?id=1#::ef29e3f2e2fe2fe6fe2fefe5fe2f23: |
| 21:16.51 | jnwhiteh | 5/5 into commanding presence.. is it really that big of a bonus? |
| 21:16.55 | Shadowed | yea I lost the book somewhere :< |
| 21:17.12 | jnwhiteh | Shadowed: its not an issue, but if you do find somethign that wasn't clear in that chapter let me know |
| 21:17.15 | jnwhiteh | tho the new version of it is much nicer |
| 21:17.16 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:17.22 | jnwhiteh | auto reconfiguring frames that can show pets |
| 21:17.34 | jnwhiteh | its a quick grid-like addon with clickable pet frames embedded :P |
| 21:18.29 | haste | ~wowalert |
| 21:18.30 | purl | http://launcher.worldofwarcraft.com/alert (US); http://status.wow-europe.com/en/alert (EU) [NB: URL goes to 404 unless there's an active alert] |
| 21:18.45 | Aeyan | jnwhiteh: What is that spec for? =P |
| 21:18.57 | Shadowed | oh there we go |
| 21:18.58 | jnwhiteh | no idea |
| 21:19.01 | jnwhiteh | i need a leveling spec |
| 21:19.04 | Shadowed | it was under a few other books, chapter 27? |
| 21:19.15 | jnwhiteh | or 29 maybe |
| 21:19.16 | jnwhiteh | but yeah |
| 21:21.21 | Shadowed | 27 mentions how to do it with XML, but not with initialConfigFunction jnwhiteh |
| 21:21.35 | jnwhiteh | i'm pretty sure that's mentioned |
| 21:22.05 | Shadowed | it's possible I missed it, but the only mention I see is "Provide a configureation function (optinally) that will be called when a new unit frame is created, allowing for last-minute customization by addons" |
| 21:22.25 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 21:22.32 | jnwhiteh | it doesn't go into using it 100% to create new frames |
| 21:22.35 | jnwhiteh | i didn't know that needed to be covered |
| 21:22.36 | Shadowed | yea |
| 21:22.43 | jnwhiteh | i thought the addon used that function for sizing and stuff. |
| 21:22.57 | Shadowed | what do you mean? |
| 21:23.18 | foxlit | It seems weird, conceptually. |
| 21:23.29 | foxlit | The function you supply would be insecure, so it won't work on protected frames. |
| 21:23.31 | Shadowed | At least how I'm using it, I create the entire frame when initialConfigFunction is called using the template the secure header creates |
| 21:23.34 | jnwhiteh | Shadowed: the addon in that chapter, I believe it used it. |
| 21:23.38 | Shadowed | oh |
| 21:23.43 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: yes it does.. there's a special method called AllowAttribtueChanges() |
| 21:23.51 | Shadowed | you don't cover resizing since you do it in the XML template |
| 21:24.00 | jnwhiteh | and it can be called from secure code to allow an insecure function to make changes to attributes |
| 21:24.06 | Shadowed | he means how an author would see it, not how it actually is I think |
| 21:24.14 | p3lim | would this pattern be a valid pattern to use if I wanted to scan unitID for partypet 1-5 using string.match? |
| 21:24.14 | p3lim | '^partypet[1-5]$' |
| 21:24.16 | jnwhiteh | Shadowed: so the addon does not have a config function? |
| 21:24.32 | Shadowed | jnwhiteh correct, the entire example is in XML using OnLoad/OnShow etc |
| 21:24.46 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: Ah, that explains some things. |
| 21:24.50 | jnwhiteh | .. there is a Lua file in that example |
| 21:24.56 | jnwhiteh | so perhaps i'm misunderstanding you |
| 21:24.58 | p3lim | i am unsure how to test it ingame actually :p |
| 21:25.08 | Shadowed | not in this chapter at least that I see |
| 21:25.14 | Shadowed | unless it's an extra thing I missed not in the chapter itself |
| 21:25.34 | foxlit | Wonder how long that persists. |
| 21:25.52 | p3lim | anyone? :) |
| 21:26.00 | jnwhiteh | Shadowed: yeah guess you're right |
| 21:26.08 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: until the next frame |
| 21:26.08 | Pneu^ | p3lim: partypet[1-4] |
| 21:26.10 | jnwhiteh | or just before it |
| 21:26.10 | foxlit | You document that. :) |
| 21:26.17 | Pneu^ | no such thing as party5/partypet6 |
| 21:26.18 | jnwhiteh | I have =) |
| 21:26.19 | Pneu^ | er |
| 21:26.21 | Shadowed | what persists, the secure call of initialConfigFunction? |
| 21:26.24 | Pneu^ | no such thing as party5/partypet5 |
| 21:26.31 | Shirik__ | ok |
| 21:26.32 | jnwhiteh | Shadowed: no, the ability to change attributes |
| 21:26.35 | Shadowed | ah |
| 21:26.35 | Shirik__ | FxCop has some really stupid warnings |
| 21:26.37 | Shirik__ | but this one takes the cake |
| 21:26.46 | foxlit | Hm, that's interesting. |
| 21:26.53 | foxlit | I wonder if you could... I think you can... |
| 21:26.55 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 21:26.55 | Shirik__ | warning : CA1308 : Microsoft.Globalization : replace the call to 'string.ToLowerInvariant()' with String.ToUpperInvariant(). |
| 21:26.55 | jnwhiteh | Shadowed: the new version uses initialconfig |
| 21:26.59 | Shadowed | jnwhiteh ahh |
| 21:27.01 | jnwhiteh | so i'm happy |
| 21:27.03 | Shadowed | foxlit ? |
| 21:27.04 | jnwhiteh | and its a better example |
| 21:27.06 | jnwhiteh | using secure snippets too |
| 21:27.30 | foxlit | Hm, yes, you can. |
| 21:27.37 | p3lim | Pneu^: yeah my mistake :P, but else, will it work? |
| 21:27.38 | foxlit | It'll work. Surely. |
| 21:27.39 | Shadowed | what are you trying to do |
| 21:27.48 | Shadowed | you sound like you're up to something |
| 21:27.56 | foxlit | I'm not trying to do anything -- that's just a fascinating widget method |
| 21:28.01 | Shadowed | oh |
| 21:28.06 | jnwhiteh | one that cannot be called in any way =) |
| 21:28.14 | foxlit | It seems to me like it could be used to break things. |
| 21:28.21 | Pneu^ | p3lim: yup /print ("partypet4"):match("^partypet[1-4]$") |
| 21:28.25 | jnwhiteh | i fail to see how |
| 21:28.29 | jnwhiteh | all you can do is set attributes on the frame |
| 21:28.33 | foxlit | I'll get back to you when 3.2 launches around here. |
| 21:28.34 | jnwhiteh | which is all we've been able to do since 2.0 |
| 21:28.41 | foxlit | Attributes on protected frames, in combat. |
| 21:29.02 | jnwhiteh | no |
| 21:29.11 | jnwhiteh | attributes, on newly protected frames, in 1 singular instance, in combat. |
| 21:29.19 | jnwhiteh | a vector that's been open for 1.5 years :P |
| 21:29.29 | Shadowed | and you can't change any attribute that starts with _ either |
| 21:29.38 | jnwhiteh | and considering you can already "magically" set the attributes using an XML template |
| 21:29.39 | Shadowed | meaning you can't wrap scripts or do a setframeref |
| 21:29.43 | jnwhiteh | i mean feel free =) |
| 21:29.43 | p3lim | nice, thanks Pneu^ |
| 21:30.23 | Shadowed | yay for secure snippets thought |
| 21:30.27 | Shadowed | can do lots of fun stuff with them in combat |
| 21:30.58 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 21:32.08 | jnwhiteh | Aeyan: care to give me a good warrior levelling spec? |
| 21:32.16 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: most of those objections stem from the fact that the method can only be called from secure code? |
| 21:32.17 | jnwhiteh | knowing that i have the heirloom shoulders and 2h weap |
| 21:32.33 | Aeyan | Sure, I could mess around with it. |
| 21:32.34 | Shadowed | objections? |
| 21:32.47 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: I don't have any objections.. I just fail to see how you can call the function |
| 21:32.57 | foxlit | Well, responses. |
| 21:33.57 | foxlit | Objections in the sense of stating "that can't be used to do anything evil" :) |
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| 21:34.06 | jnwhiteh | I'm not saying that |
| 21:34.12 | Arrowmaster | i wonder if my custom vehicle bindings still work in 3.2 |
| 21:34.14 | jnwhiteh | I'm saying it doesn't give you anything you can't already do through another vector |
| 21:34.50 | Shirik__ | I like to take the cross product of vectors |
| 21:36.05 | VonhintenHOME` | I'll translate your vector |
| 21:36.36 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: I'd be interested in seeing what you can accomplish that cna't already be done |
| 21:37.19 | Aeyan | jnwhiteh: Maybe something like http://www.wowdb.com/talent.aspx?id=1#::efefefefe4fe2f2e3fe2fe7f3e2f6ef14ef2ef24: |
| 21:37.21 | Aeyan | Just for leveling |
| 21:37.29 | Aeyan | and not having to worry about a second weapon |
| 21:37.32 | jnwhiteh | ah you'd go arms over fury? |
| 21:37.37 | jnwhiteh | well i can easily get an extra 2hander |
| 21:37.45 | jnwhiteh | since i already have one that scales with me =) |
| 21:37.57 | Aeyan | True |
| 21:38.04 | ZorbaTHut | from what I hear, the best solution is to go arms until you can get Titan's Grip, then switch to Fury |
| 21:38.12 | Aeyan | I just figured with Arms you'd never have to mess with it |
| 21:38.15 | VonhintenHOME` | probably wise |
| 21:38.17 | jnwhiteh | I could believe that |
| 21:38.22 | VonhintenHOME` | would be better from a hit rating standpoint |
| 21:38.23 | Aeyan | Fury does more damage undoubtably |
| 21:38.24 | jnwhiteh | well i'm level 20 =) |
| 21:38.32 | foxlit | jnwhiteh: If things work like I think they do, practically 1.11-style control over casting in combat. |
| 21:38.43 | jnwhiteh | well i care more about longevity and chaining |
| 21:38.45 | Aeyan | That build was just for ease of grinding, hehe |
| 21:38.50 | Shadowed | wonders what foxlit is up to |
| 21:38.55 | Aeyan | With stuff like parry and tclap, hehe |
| 21:38.55 | foxlit | But that's a fair bit of ifs, and they may well have fixed things |
| 21:39.45 | Fisker | slaps jnwhiteh around a bit with a large trout |
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| 21:40.46 | Aeyan | http://www.wowdb.com/talent.aspx?id=1#::f2ef5ef23e4f3e6fe6fe2fe2f2ef24: |
| 21:40.49 | Aeyan | Fury-ish |
| 21:41.00 | jnwhiteh | well i dont care which tree it is =) |
| 21:41.54 | Aeyan | Actually, might jerk 2 points out of imp execute and put them in intercept |
| 21:41.59 | Aeyan | That's a hell of fun toy, hehe |
| 21:42.17 | Aeyan | Execute wastes a lot of rage soloing |
| 21:42.23 | Aeyan | Maybe not so much now though |
| 21:42.45 | ZorbaTHut | the big advantage to Fury isn't actually the damage, it's the fact that you have a self-regeneration ability |
| 21:43.00 | Tuller | ok wowi people, please move SellFish over to the "out of date" addons: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=7035 |
| 21:43.23 | Aeyan | We still love you, Tuller |
| 21:44.23 | Tuller | bah |
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| 21:44.35 | mikma | did blizz implement a sellvalue? |
| 21:45.33 | p3lim | yep |
| 21:45.43 | p3lim | 11th return of GetItemInfo |
| 21:46.00 | Shirik__ | Tuller: Done |
| 21:46.08 | Tuller | thanks :) |
| 21:46.27 | p3lim | Tuller: your contribution has been great though, used SellFish since you released it :) |
| 21:46.37 | VonhintenHOME` | wow, 3.2 is a lot less responsive to Alt+Tabbing |
| 21:46.46 | Arrowmaster | damn and ItemPrice-1.1 was getting me 4.2076 points per day on wowace |
| 21:46.51 | Shirik__ | now he can go work on getting Bongos 3 working :( |
| 21:46.53 | Shirik__ | plzty |
| 21:47.04 | Tuller | haha |
| 21:47.20 | Aeyan | Arrowmaster: Haha =P |
| 21:47.39 | mikma | shirik__: http://matin.maapallo.org/kuvatuuppari/wulff/1320/20090730.gif |
| 21:48.08 | Shirik__ | <3 |
| 21:48.19 | Lunessa | Tuller's work makes up a significant portion of my UI modifications. Dominos, Baganon, SellFish (R.I.P.), Combuctor (for a while). Delicious. |
| 21:48.33 | Tuller | I have no addon named Delicious |
| 21:48.44 | mikma | well, go and do one |
| 21:48.46 | Lunessa | Adjective. Not noun. |
| 21:48.47 | mikma | assmonkey |
| 21:48.56 | Shirik__ | I use Dominos |
| 21:49.01 | Aeyan | Ah, the servers are starting to come back up. |
| 21:49.02 | Shirik__ | but I really miss how Bongos made bars |
| 21:49.03 | Aqua | hey is their a logging options somewhere in minion, everytime i update an addon i get Internal Error.. |
| 21:49.10 | Shirik__ | Yes |
| 21:49.14 | Shirik__ | Tools->Options |
| 21:49.19 | Shirik__ | But it should be on Debug by default I think |
| 21:49.30 | Arrowmaster | ah damn when did LibGUIDRegistry-0.1 stop earning me points |
| 21:49.39 | Aqua | mine was set to warning |
| 21:49.44 | Aqua | where is the log file at on vista? |
| 21:49.49 | Shirik__ | well internal error should show up at any level |
| 21:49.55 | Shirik__ | umm |
| 21:50.04 | Shirik__ | %APPDATA%\MMOUI\Minion\log.txt I think? |
| 21:51.22 | p3lim | Arrowmaster: updater points? |
| 21:51.24 | Aqua | hmm, it can't compress to the temp directory |
| 21:51.30 | Arrowmaster | yeah |
| 21:51.34 | p3lim | ok |
| 21:51.51 | mikma | lolminion |
| 21:52.15 | p3lim | I cba with all the tags pushing to actually do it |
| 21:52.17 | Arrowmaster | i broke 10000 points so i should cash out soon |
| 21:52.33 | Shirik__ | Aqua: Can you show me the error? |
| 21:52.37 | p3lim | How much would that be? |
| 21:52.40 | Fisker | shey Shirik__ |
| 21:52.42 | ScytheBlade1 | ~minion-log |
| 21:52.44 | Fisker | hey* |
| 21:52.44 | Aqua | sure, whre you want me to paste it? |
| 21:52.44 | Arrowmaster | $500 |
| 21:52.48 | ScytheBlade1 | hmm, what was it |
| 21:52.51 | ScytheBlade1 | ~minionlog |
| 21:52.53 | p3lim | oh, nice |
| 21:52.59 | ScytheBlade1 | too bad that purl doesn't have a search |
| 21:53.39 | Shirik__ | except she does |
| 21:53.43 | ScytheBlade1 | bah |
| 21:53.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ~minion-logs |
| 21:53.46 | purl | %APPDATA%MMOUI\Minion\log.txt; OSX: ~/Library/Application Support/Minion/log.txt; Linux: ~/.Minion/log.txt |
| 21:53.47 | ScytheBlade1 | there we go |
| 21:53.49 | Shirik__ | I just don't remember what it is |
| 21:53.52 | Aqua | Shirik? where at Pastey? |
| 21:54.00 | Shirik__ | wow, nice ScytheBlade1 |
| 21:54.02 | Shirik__ | that's WRONG |
| 21:54.08 | ScytheBlade1 | It is? |
| 21:54.15 | Arrowmaster | maybe ill put that $500 towards a http://www.necdisplay.com/Products/Product/?product=fe2599c6-185f-4177-b12e-5bde0b8eeaae |
| 21:54.15 | Shirik__ | thou art missing a \ |
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| 21:54.18 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh, the backslash? Yeah, for whatever reason |
| 21:54.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Purl didn't take it |
| 21:54.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I tried fixing it twice, it just vanished |
| 21:54.32 | p3lim | its stupid that eu gets patches one day later |
| 21:54.36 | Shirik__ | maybe some % escaping fu? |
| 21:54.40 | ScytheBlade1 | possibly |
| 21:54.48 | Shirik__ | Aqua: yeah |
| 21:55.31 | Aqua | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/119991 |
| 21:55.42 | Aqua | i'm an Administrator as well |
| 21:55.45 | Aqua | and UAC is disablled |
| 21:56.00 | p3lim | Arrowmaster: Ive only had bad experience with NEC monitors |
| 21:56.05 | ScytheBlade1 | okay, that's a new one for windows, unless Shirik__ knows of it/has fixed it |
| 21:56.12 | robotusch | trolls Fisker |
| 21:56.25 | Shirik__ | it may be the same problem |
| 21:56.27 | Arrowmaster | p3lim: that monitor is the absolute best 24" lcd in existance |
| 21:56.32 | Shirik__ | and yes, Aqua, that's not caused by UAC/Windows permisions |
| 21:56.44 | Aqua | just supplying extra info to ya |
| 21:56.45 | Shirik__ | That's caused by Minion saying "woah hold up, you can't do that" (the module security) |
| 21:56.55 | Shirik__ | all modules run in a restricted environment |
| 21:57.10 | Shirik__ | That may actually be fixed by your change, ScytheBlade1 |
| 21:57.16 | Shirik__ | it looks to be the same root cause |
| 21:57.18 | Aqua | I know very about java |
| 21:57.25 | ScytheBlade1 | My chance was OSX only |
| 21:57.29 | ScytheBlade1 | It was very very OSX specific |
| 21:57.32 | Shirik__ | hm ok |
| 21:57.40 | ScytheBlade1 | It's in the "Is this OSX?" if statement |
| 21:57.52 | ScytheBlade1 | *change |
| 21:58.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Why that would happen under *windows* is a new one |
| 21:58.11 | Shirik__ | I'm happy that the security manager is doing its job though, lol |
| 21:58.17 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 21:58.19 | Shirik__ | better to be too restrictive than not restrictive enough |
| 21:58.26 | ScytheBlade1 | bit of an aggressive job |
| 21:58.52 | ScytheBlade1 | wishes that Shirik__ cared for git in any degree |
| 21:59.36 | p3lim | Arrowmaster: quick specs of it? |
| 22:00.01 | Shirik__ | Aqua: can you go to command prompt |
| 22:00.07 | p3lim | actually, found them |
| 22:00.08 | Aqua | already there |
| 22:00.09 | Shirik__ | type `echo %TEMP%` |
| 22:00.12 | p3lim | ms is a bit high |
| 22:00.18 | p3lim | else than that it looks good |
| 22:00.18 | Shirik__ | and what's the response |
| 22:00.32 | Arrowmaster | its an H-IPS panel |
| 22:00.45 | Tuller | evil evil blizzard for exceeding my expectations on when a patch would be released |
| 22:00.53 | Aqua | C:\Users\Aqua\AppData\Local\Temp |
| 22:01.14 | Shirik__ | ... |
| 22:01.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Could you provide the full log, by chance? |
| 22:01.27 | Shirik__ | I think it's the case difference |
| 22:01.37 | p3lim | Arrowmaster: which means..? |
| 22:01.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Unless the path was manually set, I don't see how that could even happen |
| 22:01.59 | Aqua | i changed out my username because its got my lastname |
| 22:02.06 | p3lim | I have a Samsung 206BW myself, a bit small/old maybe, but it has 2ms and 3000:1 contrast |
| 22:02.16 | p3lim | and its resource-low |
| 22:02.23 | Arrowmaster | 2ms means youve got a shitty TN panel |
| 22:02.32 | ScytheBlade1 | Aqua: then can you post your full log, with a search/replace done with something obvious? |
| 22:02.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Say, 'Aqua' --> MYUSERNAME |
| 22:02.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Or something similar |
| 22:02.50 | Aqua | yea, i'll post the full log |
| 22:02.56 | Aqua | and replace that |
| 22:03.29 | Aqua | post it on pastey again? |
| 22:04.26 | ScytheBlade1 | That'd be fine, yes |
| 22:05.09 | foxlit | p3lim: I found that my 226BW tends to overcompensate on motion if it's in 2ms mode |
| 22:05.31 | Arrowmaster | overdrive tends to do that |
| 22:06.03 | Aqua | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/119992 |
| 22:06.06 | Arrowmaster | which is why im still using a dell 2001fp, an S-IPS panel from before they started using overdrive on lcds |
| 22:07.22 | Aqua | i'll supply you with the full log without the trhing replace privately, I just dont' want my name floating around you know? |
| 22:07.40 | ScytheBlade1 | nods |
| 22:07.45 | p3lim | foxlit: never noticed such myself |
| 22:08.06 | p3lim | Arrowmaster: 1300 for a monitor is a bit.. much, dont you think? |
| 22:08.23 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 22:08.45 | Shirik__ | This is curious |
| 22:08.50 | p3lim | my monitor cost like 250 |
| 22:08.58 | Arrowmaster | and is a shitty TN panel |
| 22:09.15 | p3lim | its able to produce the image i want, so im happy |
| 22:09.21 | p3lim | and I dont even know what a TN panel is |
| 22:09.44 | Dagmar | Wheee |
| 22:09.55 | Dagmar | Now the addon sites slow to a crawl for a bit |
| 22:10.34 | Dagmar | ...as everyone logs in, cries "MAH BUTTONZ!" and then logs back out to find updates |
| 22:11.19 | Arrowmaster | p3lim: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/panel_technologies.htm |
| 22:11.50 | Arrowmaster | p3lim: TN = cheapest to make, worst colors, worst viewing angles, fastest |
| 22:12.07 | foxlit | so what do the cool people use for gaming screens? |
| 22:12.38 | p3lim | well, the viewing angle i dont care about, i sit right in front of my screen |
| 22:12.52 | Arrowmaster | most tend to use TN panels since they dont know any better and think response time is the only important thing |
| 22:12.53 | p3lim | colors are ok, cheap to make = cheap to sell |
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| 22:13.06 | Cide | lua> math.arccos(-0.5) == math.pi/4 |
| 22:13.11 | Nuckin | anyone else able to upload to curse? |
| 22:13.13 | lua_bot | Cide: luabot:1: attempt to call field 'arccos' (a nil value) |
| 22:13.20 | Cide | lua> math.acos(-0,5) |
| 22:13.23 | Cide | grrr |
| 22:13.27 | lua_bot | Cide: 1.5707963267949 |
| 22:13.28 | dardack | i'm upgrading my 4 addons tomorrow |
| 22:13.32 | dardack | so no idea nuckin |
| 22:13.58 | Arrowmaster | TN are so bad on viewing angle that you get gamma shifting just from looking at it straight on since you cant look at every pixel perfectly straight on |
| 22:14.02 | Aqua | ScytheBlade1, or Shirik__: thoughts? |
| 22:14.07 | Shirik__ | we're discussing it :P |
| 22:14.10 | Nuckin | WoWI went smooth, Curse is timing out |
| 22:14.14 | Aqua | fair enough |
| 22:14.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Discussing it indeed |
| 22:15.03 | Aqua | if I can give you any other info, please let me know, will be more htan happy |
| 22:17.42 | foxlit | Hah. I win. Now to devise a nefarious scheme. |
| 22:18.49 | dardack | well i can't cast, vendor lag |
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| 22:21.00 | Dewin | Okay, which addon is infinite looping and stopping me from fully logging in.... |
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| 22:21.16 | Kraps | waves @ channel |
| 22:21.18 | durcyn | dewin: binary search! |
| 22:21.37 | Dewin | durcyn: it's a royal pain |
| 22:21.43 | Dewin | especially when I can't fully log in >.> |
| 22:21.51 | Dewin | being able to log in with something massively broken is one thing |
| 22:22.00 | Aqua | i'm having issues logging in as well |
| 22:22.02 | Dewin | having to restart wow every time I guess wrong is another |
| 22:22.03 | Aqua | its rather odd |
| 22:22.05 | Dewin | OH, finally in! |
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| 22:22.59 | Kraps | hows 3.2? |
| 22:23.04 | Nuckin | ugh i wish curse would load |
| 22:23.30 | Dagmar | Dewin |
| 22:23.44 | Aqua | Dewin: We are having hellish server lack on my server |
| 22:23.49 | Aqua | like can't do anything |
| 22:24.04 | Dagmar | Dewin: Look for an addon called LoadIT. It doesn't always load plugins _correctly_ (mostly it will be obvious if they fail) but it lets you load them one at at time from within WoW |
| 22:24.17 | Dagmar | So... no crazy rebooting |
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| 22:24.45 | Arrowmaster | Dagmar, Dewin: ACP is probably more updated than LoadIT |
| 22:24.53 | Aqua | Ampere... |
| 22:24.56 | Aqua | ftw |
| 22:25.21 | Aqua | thing works better than any other similar addon i've came across |
| 22:25.52 | End | Ampere is a lot simpler too |
| 22:26.06 | Aqua | its light weight is why i like it |
| 22:26.31 | Dewin | I've been using ACP for quite awhile |
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| 22:26.53 | Dewin | I was stuck at the last part of the login process for a *long* time (i.e. I could hear things happening, but couldn't interact) |
| 22:27.00 | Dewin | I think it's a server issue not an addon issue though |
| 22:27.05 | Aqua | yea its a server issue |
| 22:27.08 | Dagmar | I dont' see how things could get simpler than LoadIT but I'll look those two up |
| 22:27.11 | Aqua | i just logged off and i can still interact with the world |
| 22:27.40 | Arrowmaster | LoadIT was far from simple last time i looked at it a few years ago |
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| 22:27.54 | Dewin | now if only the author of Stableboy would make it not need a reloadui after a patch ;) |
| 22:28.03 | Dagmar | All it shows me is a list of addons with checkboxes next to them |
| 22:28.04 | End | I told him how to fix it :( |
| 22:28.20 | Dagmar | There might be more stuff hidden under buttons, but I've never had a reason to bother looking |
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| 22:28.43 | Dewin | I like ACP's ability to save addon sets too |
| 22:28.55 | Dagmar | I will not complain about having more than one option to pick from tho |
| 22:29.05 | Wobin | http://www.lukesurl.com/archives/916 |
| 22:29.26 | netcurse | we are back |
| 22:29.29 | End | wow |
| 22:29.32 | End | that's a funny bug |
| 22:29.34 | netcurse | the baning system crashed the db server |
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| 22:29.55 | End | so, I guess in the central temple thing in shattrath, the water is underneath everything |
| 22:30.03 | End | so I'm leaving water trails as I run around |
| 22:30.39 | Dagmar | ...either that or it's time to change the nappies. |
| 22:31.30 | Industrial | if you kill Freya can you still herb in her chamber? |
| 22:31.48 | durcyn | no, industrial, they only respawn if she's alive |
| 22:31.58 | Industrial | aw |
| 22:32.04 | Industrial | the respawn on those is awesome |
| 22:32.36 | durcyn | however, if you kill -all- of the trash, it stays down and you can just herb all day long |
| 22:32.38 | NightHawkTheSan1 | End: is that on live? i saw a post on that, i figured they'd fix it.. |
| 22:32.54 | Cloudwolf | sooo did they break frames again? |
| 22:33.07 | End | which? |
| 22:33.12 | Arrowmaster | huh? |
| 22:33.15 | durcyn | that's an wfully generic term, cloudwulf |
| 22:33.15 | End | I told you which events to watch for a while ago |
| 22:33.20 | End | I didn't know if there was something new |
| 22:33.30 | durcyn | gah, balls to this keyboard |
| 22:33.34 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Dewin: re: stableboy, if you can figure out a good solution to the caching issue, i'll listen. :) |
| 22:33.35 | Dagmar | Bleh. one of these addons seems to really like my quest log |
| 22:33.59 | Cloudwolf | Nvm my addons are still functioning properly(the ones i made) just gota wait for cartographer questhelper gatherer and atlasloot to update >.> |
| 22:34.03 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Dewin: but, you don't actually NEED a reloadui, i've provided a CLI command, as well as a button in the interface options that lets you refresh your mounts without a reloadui :) |
| 22:34.53 | NightHawkTheSan1 | End: i think i tried your fix, but recall it not quite working. |
| 22:35.29 | End | I dunno, I hadn't applied it to StableBoy, but I'm always able to load pets |
| 22:35.59 | dardack | anyone know where the new squire can be bought? specifically i've been all over the tourny can't find it |
| 22:36.10 | NightHawkTheSan1 | what addon is yours again? i might give it a look see what you did. |
| 22:36.15 | End | PetLeash |
| 22:36.23 | NightHawkTheSan1 | i've still got... something like 20 days before my account expires at any rate ;) |
| 22:36.30 | Dewin | NightHawkTheSane: The refresh command has never worked for me for some reason. It's always been -- Tuesday maintenance? Log in then reloadui |
| 22:36.33 | End | I should point out, I'm paranoid and try loading stuff later on just in case :P |
| 22:36.51 | NightHawkTheSan1 | End: hah, it might be the loading stuff later on that does it. ;) |
| 22:37.14 | End | I don't think it's needed, but I wanted to make sure I never had to try to debug that sort of issue again |
| 22:37.16 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Dewin: really? i've not had issues with the refresh command. |
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| 22:37.54 | End | although, if you were cheap and sleezy, you wouldn't load until someone opened the options or tried to summon a mount :P |
| 22:37.55 | Dewin | Hmm, I tried it just now and it seems to work. |
| 22:38.37 | NightHawkTheSan1 | End: hah. I'd considered that, actually ;) |
| 22:38.46 | Lunessa | I'm cheap and sleazy - but I load on start-up like a rootkit. |
| 22:38.59 | NightHawkTheSan1 | its just marginally more work than making people reloadui, or hit a refresh command |
| 22:39.15 | Dewin | It'd also decrease login times slightly wouldn't it? :) |
| 22:39.44 | NightHawkTheSan1 | so insignificantly... people actually care about login times? :P |
| 22:39.56 | End | I do |
| 22:39.56 | Dewin | I do. |
| 22:40.03 | NightHawkTheSan1 | boggles |
| 22:40.04 | End | but the savings would be pretty small |
| 22:40.09 | NightHawkTheSan1 | usually i just go grab a drink |
| 22:40.21 | End | I blame comcast |
| 22:40.22 | Dewin | Anything that does delayed loading on stuff means I can switch alts faster |
| 22:40.35 | Arrowmaster | remember too long of login time can cause you to be disconnected |
| 22:40.50 | NightHawkTheSan1 | sure, but we're not even talking about seconds here. :P |
| 22:41.35 | Dewin | When you have 100 addons that all do some at-startup loading that could be deferred to later, it adds up :) |
| 22:41.57 | Dewin | Granted, it depends on the nature of how it's deferred. |
| 22:42.10 | Dewin | (I'm looking at you, questhelper) |
| 22:43.04 | Dewin | Hmm... if only they made it where you could see level in addition to class on chat |
| 22:43.09 | Dewin | so I can temporarily block everyone under level 5 or so |
| 22:44.01 | Aqua | hey if your doing a table in ##SavedVariables: can you just do the table name or do you have to do anything special? |
| 22:44.11 | ZorbaTHut | just the table name |
| 22:44.33 | Lunessa | If only people would quit being douches and trying to make money by selling me stolen/farmed gold and characters... |
| 22:44.35 | NightHawkTheSan1 | what you specify in ##SavedVariables is just a variable name |
| 22:44.43 | Aqua | thought so, was just checking |
| 22:44.45 | NightHawkTheSan1 | you can shove whatever value in there you want. a table is just another value |
| 22:48.05 | Kraps | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info10531-Cursor.html |
| 22:48.10 | Kraps | eh |
| 22:48.33 | NightHawkTheSane | End: hm, did you notice if the COMPANION_UPDATE fired more than once on login with the type parameter being nil? |
| 22:48.42 | NightHawkTheSane | (if you even recall) |
| 22:51.37 | mikma | can't quite understand what's the point with the " _ " in the names |
| 22:51.59 | mikma | _Cursor, _Dev, _Corpse ... |
| 22:52.17 | NightHawkTheSane | to be jerks and make it harder to tab complete their names |
| 22:52.33 | Kraps | they go to the top of lists |
| 22:52.35 | foxlit | mikma: what's the point of any other prefix? |
| 22:52.57 | foxlit | technically, underscore comes after all of the latin capitals |
| 22:52.58 | mikma | foxlit: infront of the addon? most likely the author thinks it's "cool" |
| 22:53.13 | foxlit | I'm suggesting that the same theory applies to "_" |
| 22:53.31 | mikma | kekeface! |
| 22:53.32 | foxlit | lua> "_Foo" > "Foo" |
| 22:53.32 | lua_bot | foxlit: true |
| 22:54.06 | Kraps | forums are down? |
| 22:54.33 | Lunessa | Look like. |
| 22:54.51 | Kraps | i an so bored :( |
| 22:55.01 | Dagmar | Too much twink qq'ing has flooded them out |
| 22:55.11 | Kraps | i dont have wow on this pc |
| 22:55.29 | Kraps | Dagmar: people donr know how to read |
| 22:55.42 | Kraps | s/donr/dont/ |
| 22:55.44 | Dagmar | Ah but they know how to type |
| 22:55.55 | Kraps | this is true |
| 22:56.05 | mikma | foxlit: so, is _foxlit cool? |
| 22:56.19 | foxlit | unfortunately, _foxlit < foxlit |
| 22:56.21 | Dagmar | Clearly they can complain that they're no longer going to be able to easily roflstomp the unsuspecting people who try a battleground with a non-twink |
| 22:56.23 | Fisker | i can be the greatest troutslapper |
| 22:56.25 | foxlit | or fortunately. |
| 22:56.27 | _Kraps | 8) |
| 22:56.30 | foxlit | depending on how you spin that. |
| 22:56.40 | *** join/#wowuidev ecs (n=ecs@unaffiliated/ecstasia) |
| 22:56.54 | foxlit | loves the Blizzard Downloader time estimation |
| 22:57.11 | _Kraps | infinity + 1? |
| 22:57.12 | Fisker | loves foxlit |
| 22:57.13 | foxlit | "26 minutes" "52 minutes" "26 minutes" "51 minutes" "26 minutes" "44 minutes" "26 minutes" |
| 22:57.17 | *** part/#wowuidev ecs (n=ecs@unaffiliated/ecstasia) |
| 22:57.43 | foxlit | It oscillates with a period of about 3 seconds. |
| 22:57.47 | robotusch | trolls Fisker some more |
| 22:58.00 | NightHawkTheSane | oscillates foxlit |
| 22:58.15 | foxlit | is being treated like an object. |
| 22:58.47 | NightHawkTheSane | well... you kind of are. |
| 22:59.29 | foxlit | throws an IllegalCastException. |
| 22:59.53 | Fisker | msn robotusch |
| 23:00.10 | _Kraps | robotusch: so... you are a robotic butt? |
| 23:00.19 | Fisker | l2danish |
| 23:00.31 | _Kraps | l2yiddish |
| 23:00.33 | Fisker | he's a robotic marker |
| 23:01.13 | Fisker | steam won't die :( |
| 23:01.29 | Fisker | hahaha |
| 23:01.35 | Fisker | only took about 5 minutes |
| 23:01.35 | robotusch | what about msn fgt |
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| 23:01.45 | Fisker | you know what i'm talking about |
| 23:01.45 | Fisker | fgt |
| 23:01.48 | robotusch | no u |
| 23:01.55 | Fisker | yes me |
| 23:02.10 | robotusch | also, for the record, I have seen Fisker in real life, spoken with him and barely escaped with my life :3 |
| 23:02.26 | Kraps | did the patch notes change between the last ptr build and live? |
| 23:02.35 | Dagmar | This is definitely one of the stranger bugs I've ever seen |
| 23:06.52 | Shadowed | ergh |
| 23:06.58 | Shadowed | theres an overflow bug in the new error frame it looks like |
| 23:08.00 | Kraps | wowhead updates kinda slow |
| 23:08.54 | foxlit | They're dependent on client-side cache dumps? |
| 23:09.33 | nicoli_s | wowhead has to manually approve all the new stuff which is why it updates slowly |
| 23:09.36 | Kraps | talking about the ptr stuff |
| 23:09.49 | nicoli_s | and yes they are dependent on client side cache dumps, as all wow dbs are |
| 23:09.58 | Kraps | stuff on ptr.wowhead |
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| 23:13.14 | mikma | shadowed: liar! there can't be bugs in blizzards code! |
| 23:14.28 | NightHawkTheSane | wow, fail: http://www.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090804/NEWS01/90804036 |
| 23:14.51 | End | hahaha |
| 23:16.02 | Dagmar | Aha! NotesUNeed is what's reopening the quest log every few seconds. |
| 23:16.04 | Dagmar | Freaking weird |
| 23:16.07 | Kraps | lol |
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| 23:17.30 | Aqua | I always try to learn something new whent he wow forums are broke, i swear |
| 23:20.44 | foxlit | so the forums function as a distraction preventing you from learning anything new while they're up? |
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| 23:21.15 | Aqua | ono i forget stuff super easy, i bookmark sites with code a lot, with the forum down, i cant' pull up the example i want |
| 23:22.49 | foxlit | stares at setfenv |
| 23:23.27 | foxlit | If I changed the environment of foo, a function that calls bar, and did foo(): bar wouldn't execute in foo's environment, would it? |
| 23:25.48 | foxlit | In other words, I can't forcefully propagate the environment down the callstack, only up :/ |
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| 23:30.27 | Shirik__ | Aqua: can you please file a bug report on that bug for me? |
| 23:30.35 | *** join/#wowuidev tardmrr__ (n=tardmrr@ip98-183-82-154.lf.br.cox.net) |
| 23:30.42 | Shirik__ | I will push it into the next patch |
| 23:30.51 | Aqua | I can do that sure, you figure out what was wrong/ |
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| 23:38.33 | Kandoko | Anyone else seeing issues with loadondemand addons? LoadAddOn() seems to be giving nil, nil until all wow has completely finished loading |
| 23:38.34 | Aqua | creating interface options in lua, whats the easiest way to create a checkbutton |
| 23:38.58 | mikma | using tekkonfig |
| 23:40.57 | Aqua | fair enough |
| 23:42.39 | mikma | well, you just tell the tehkonfigCheckbox.lua like: hi, spawn me a checkbox with text "foo" and tooltip "bar" in "CENTER" 0 0 |
| 23:42.42 | mikma | and voila |
| 23:43.22 | Aqua | i was trying to do it purely in lua, all by myself |
| 23:43.56 | mikma | yes, and tekkonfig has the code for you, obviously |
| 23:44.07 | mikma | go and see how its created |
| 23:44.58 | Aqua | thanks |
| 23:47.08 | mikma | oh christ how wowwiki is heavy |
| 23:48.23 | Fisker | brobotusch |
| 23:48.54 | Fisker | slaps robotusch around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:49.00 | mikma | clearly it needs a mobile version |
| 23:49.37 | Kraps | tush = butt |
| 23:50.16 | Kraps | respectfully |
| 23:56.33 | tem|laptop | ~seen iriel |
| 23:56.34 | purl | iriel <n=Iriel@adsl-71-158-244-138.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 5d 21h 8m 19s ago, saying: 'alestane: the site in general seems to be a bit 'challenged' to be honest'. |
| 23:57.03 | robotusch | trolls Fisker |
| 23:59.43 | Industrial | Fisker's the trolls |
