| 00:00.06 | Thunder_Child | AnduinLothar, but your tan lines end in pasty white |
| 00:00.12 | AnduinLothar | true |
| 00:00.42 | mikma | purl: message to pprovost: oooh, hit and run! i'll see you after the class. |
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| 00:01.12 | AnduinLothar | i just priced a nice mini ITX HTPC box for a like $375 with a 1tb hdd... thinkign about a file server and media pc combo |
| 00:01.15 | janalopa | and don't u think skype clear voip will be a good replacement for vent or teamspk? |
| 00:01.36 | Vonhinten | not unless they put in push to talk |
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| 00:02.13 | janalopa | so u say PTT is mandatory? |
| 00:02.33 | Vonhinten | default of silence is mandatory.. otherwise it feels like you're on the phone |
| 00:03.02 | janalopa | yep thought bout that, I can mute the mic while not speaking or not pressing any button |
| 00:03.25 | janalopa | actually quite easy :) u just send "MUTE" command to skype :) |
| 00:03.50 | Kraps__ | pressing a button to talk > pressing a button to not talk |
| 00:03.59 | Kraps__ | sorry |
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| 00:04.09 | Thunder_Child | then people would never shut up |
| 00:04.22 | Wobin | I mean, look at -this- channel =\ |
| 00:04.26 | janalopa | like me :) |
| 00:04.28 | Thunder_Child | ^^ |
| 00:04.33 | janalopa | lol |
| 00:04.46 | Thunder_Child | actually you got in my way |
| 00:04.50 | Thunder_Child | that was for Wobin |
| 00:04.56 | janalopa | sorry I'm just excited of bringing this to life |
| 00:05.28 | Kraps__ | did you say you were retired? |
| 00:06.50 | Wobin | Incidentally, have you seen that WoW Twitter addon, janalopa? |
| 00:06.58 | Vonhinten | janalopa, you realize that hardware overlays don't work in Vista right? |
| 00:07.20 | Wobin | That addon is pretty indicative of the problems inherant in trying to incorporate out of game interaction with ingame ones through the addon system |
| 00:07.35 | Wobin | in that you have to reloadui each time you need an information transfer |
| 00:08.28 | Kraps__ | how would a firefly mmo work? |
| 00:08.53 | Thunder_Child | hopefuly well |
| 00:08.56 | Wobin | alliance vs Browncoats vs reavers? |
| 00:09.33 | Wobin | everyone vs reavers? |
| 00:09.49 | Kraps__ | would "companion" be a class? |
| 00:09.51 | Kraps__ | :p |
| 00:09.56 | janalopa | Kraps__: just workless atm |
| 00:09.56 | Kraps__ | lmao |
| 00:09.57 | Vonhinten | It better be |
| 00:09.57 | Wobin | I'd honestly -love- to see how they'd incorporate all the mandarin into the game |
| 00:10.17 | Vonhinten | Instead of Epic items, they'd be Shiny |
| 00:10.21 | Wobin | win |
| 00:10.31 | theorb | I'm not sure there's any real need to have explicit factions for an mmo to work. |
| 00:10.31 | Wobin | I'll be in my bunk =P |
| 00:10.50 | Kraps__ | Wobin: its mandarin? |
| 00:10.52 | Wobin | theorb: How can we go play the "pretty" races then! |
| 00:11.03 | Kraps__ | i thought it was made up? |
| 00:11.04 | theorb | I'd much prefer a system where anyone can chose to gain or loose rep with any faction. |
| 00:11.06 | Wobin | Kraps__: the chinese? yes. |
| 00:11.09 | Vonhinten | Nope, it's mandarin |
| 00:11.26 | Vonhinten | badly pronounced mandarin, but mandarin none the less |
| 00:11.32 | Wobin | hehe |
| 00:11.34 | Kraps__ | i mean words like "gorram" |
| 00:11.36 | theorb | Note that it's not very good mandarian; their language consultant didn't actually know mandarian. |
| 00:11.52 | Wobin | there are occasional words that are made up |
| 00:11.54 | theorb | "Gorram" isn't mandarian, it's dialected english. |
| 00:12.00 | Wobin | but I assume gorram is more 'goddamn' |
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| 00:12.25 | Thunder_Child | it's southern |
| 00:12.28 | Wobin | But the majority of the expletives and exclaimations are mandarin |
| 00:12.36 | theorb | I'd love a system where you can kill people as much as you want, so long as nobody sees you. |
| 00:12.39 | Kraps__ | i would play mechanic class, i <3 her |
| 00:12.53 | Wobin | Kraps__: you're such a fanboi =P |
| 00:12.57 | theorb | (And possibly you don't do it with distinctive weapons.) |
| 00:12.58 | Kraps__ | ^ |
| 00:13.04 | Thunder_Child | Kraps__, your supposed to play the class, not drool over it |
| 00:13.14 | Wobin | Thunder_Child: tell that to all the belf pallies |
| 00:13.19 | Kraps__ | ^ |
| 00:13.26 | Kraps__ | what i was gonna say |
| 00:13.37 | theorb | Oh, I'm all about Kaylee too, but I'm not sure that's really a reason to play a mechanic character. |
| 00:13.39 | Thunder_Child | i would, but whats that have to do with pallys in the first place? |
| 00:14.21 | Kraps__ | they are second on the sparkle list, after edward cullen |
| 00:14.59 | Vonhinten | I could see firefly being more of a serial 1 player game |
| 00:15.04 | Vonhinten | not an MMO |
| 00:15.23 | Wobin | oh god, sparkly vampires |
| 00:15.30 | theorb | OTOH, I think it'd be a great mmo. |
| 00:15.34 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> (53+34)/2 |
| 00:15.35 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 43.5 |
| 00:15.51 | Vonhinten | lazy much, Scythe |
| 00:15.57 | theorb | Unlike many stories, it's fundimentally not about a person or group going from a nobody into a very big somebody. |
| 00:16.08 | Wobin | it'd be an interesting MMO just because of the back lore and universe |
| 00:16.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Vonhinten: it is very... accessible |
| 00:16.13 | theorb | In terms of the greater universe, they start out as nobodies, and end up as... nobodies. |
| 00:16.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Vonhinten: I have IRC open far more often than I do a calculator |
| 00:16.31 | Wobin | ScytheBlade1: that's what -she- said! |
| 00:16.36 | ScytheBlade1 | .... |
| 00:16.40 | Vonhinten | lol, lazy as in, didn't use your brain |
| 00:16.42 | Wobin | hm, a bit slow =P |
| 00:16.43 | ScytheBlade1 | facepalms |
| 00:16.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Vonhinten: yup, very |
| 00:17.39 | theorbtwo | (Unlike, say, Star Wars. You can't have a Star Wars MMO that follows the feel of the films, because you can't have everybody be the son of the evil emporor. You can't have everybody be at the centre of the great revolution.) |
| 00:18.23 | Vonhinten | the firefly universe wasn't as interesting as the characters |
| 00:18.43 | Vonhinten | that's why I don't think it'd be a substantive enough MMO |
| 00:18.45 | Wobin | theorbtwo: well, look at LOTRO |
| 00:18.49 | theorbtwo | IMHO, one of the great problems of WoW is that nothing changes. You can kill a million of van der Clef's men, and the big guy himself, but they'll still be there, running around. |
| 00:18.57 | Wobin | That's got a huge huge 'universe' to work with |
| 00:19.05 | Wobin | but everyone has to be involved with the 'storyline' |
| 00:20.12 | theorbtwo | Wobin: That's what I think MMOs can actually do better; you need to have the world react to the changes players make to it -- to play along with the story. |
| 00:20.24 | theorbtwo | Wobin: I know nothing about lord of the rings online, really... |
| 00:20.32 | Wobin | you should give it a try |
| 00:20.47 | Wobin | it's certainly -pretty- |
| 00:20.55 | Wobin | and they've stuck well to the lore |
| 00:21.00 | theorbtwo | wonders if his poor little system can handle it. |
| 00:21.13 | Kraps__ | what about a harry potter mmo? |
| 00:21.23 | Wobin | Kraps__: problematic |
| 00:21.34 | Vonhinten | too narrow of a plot imo, but might work |
| 00:21.35 | Kraps__ | thats -made- for mmo |
| 00:21.35 | Wobin | due to it's existance in "real life" |
| 00:25.54 | Kraps__ | later |
| 00:26.09 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTPsFIsxM3w&feature=player_embedded |
| 00:26.10 | Wobin | hehe |
| 00:26.20 | Wobin | offered without comment about statistics. |
| 00:26.45 | Wobin | but with an eye towards what a fine news establishment FOX is |
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| 00:29.15 | Wobin | hm |
| 00:29.26 | Wobin | can I get the authenticator on more than one mobile for the same account? |
| 00:29.44 | kd3 | nope |
| 00:29.58 | Wobin | =( |
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| 00:36.00 | Kraps | has anyone here read Duma Key by stephen king? |
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| 00:54.21 | Shirik|Ghost | sayonara |
| 00:54.23 | Shirik|Ghost | sayonara |
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| 01:00.09 | Thunder_Child | fail Shirik? |
| 01:00.13 | Shirik | ? |
| 01:00.19 | Shirik | is a song :( |
| 01:00.25 | Shirik | Sayonara, sayonara, ressha wa hoshi wo surinukeru |
| 01:01.40 | alestane | "Goodbye, goodbye, the train is slipping past the stars"? |
| 01:02.08 | Thunder_Child | stars/station? |
| 01:02.08 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALl9wrJotAQ&feature=related |
| 01:03.01 | Shirik | I can understand the french, let's see what they translated it to :) |
| 01:03.57 | Shirik | no, alestane was actually pretty much right |
| 01:04.13 | Shirik | it's something like "the train is riding through the stars" |
| 01:04.23 | Wobin | ... Starlight express? |
| 01:04.39 | Shirik | I assume it means it's leaving in the night |
| 01:04.44 | Shirik | don't take everything so literally in a song, lol |
| 01:04.48 | Shirik | I know all we have these days is rap |
| 01:04.51 | Shirik | and people aren't creative |
| 01:04.52 | Shirik | but damn |
| 01:05.49 | Shirik | Wobin, don't you speak french? |
| 01:06.00 | Wobin | non? |
| 01:06.04 | Shirik | oh :( |
| 01:06.05 | Wobin | non parley vous francais |
| 01:06.15 | Shirik | ah yes |
| 01:06.21 | Shirik | see, this is the third line of the verse |
| 01:06.26 | Shirik | chorus* |
| 01:07.23 | Shirik | An "official" english translation: |
| 01:07.33 | Shirik | The last train races through the night sky / Carrying only a single small bag I got onboard |
| 01:07.33 | Shirik | Goodbye, goodbye, The last train makes its way through the stars / Through the streets where you sleep, It's taking me far away |
| 01:09.21 | Shirik | goes back to photoshop |
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| 01:18.06 | Wobin | Ackis: is that you on xfire? =P |
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| 01:18.21 | Ackis | yes |
| 01:18.22 | Ackis | :D |
| 01:18.26 | Ackis | that's why I logged into IRC lol |
| 01:18.32 | Ackis | to say "yes it's me!" |
| 01:19.32 | Wobin | oh god |
| 01:19.33 | Wobin | http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1917901 |
| 01:19.38 | Wobin | that's -terrible- =P |
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| 01:27.48 | alestane | "suru" in that case means "slip" and "nukeru" would be "come free of" or "divest from", so "surinukeru" would be "slide past" or "slip away from". |
| 01:29.06 | alestane | "Makes its way through" is fairly close, but it loses a little of the poetry of it. |
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| 01:55.14 | Dashkal | ooo. new ptr build |
| 01:57.25 | kd3 | indeed. diffs out in a few |
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| 02:05.59 | kd3 | whee, 23 whole lines |
| 02:08.05 | mikma | =D |
| 02:09.23 | kd3 | and they've pulled the /bug addon |
| 02:11.12 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 02:11.28 | ScytheBlade1 | I went to go click a tray icon, only to have thunderbird pop up the e-mail notice that very second |
| 02:11.38 | ScytheBlade1 | suddenly I had thunderbird open instead |
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| 02:18.55 | bleeter | http://www.photojpl.com/ |
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| 02:25.51 | kd3 | damn it... and they still didn't fix the ships north of icecrown >.< |
| 02:26.37 | bleeter | kd3: what, you expected FIXES? bwhahahahaha |
| 02:26.56 | bleeter | will have what kd3's having |
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| 02:38.44 | alestane | kd3: Funny, I only have one line difference. |
| 02:39.04 | kd3 | wonders if he missed a build somewhere |
| 02:40.11 | bleeter | maybe alestane has some weird LF majicks going on to get it all in one line ;) |
| 02:40.15 | alestane | 10147->10170? |
| 02:40.53 | kd3 | $ diff -Nrup 0.2.0.10147 0.2.0.10170 > 0.2.0.10147-10170.diff |
| 02:42.18 | alestane | The only change I have is in WatchFrameLinkButtonTemplate_OnClick in WatchFrame.lua |
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| 02:45.11 | alestane | Hrmm, http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/ui/ is a dead link? |
| 02:45.18 | kd3 | ~framexml |
| 02:45.19 | purl | framexml is, like, Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit: http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21465 or view it online at http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 02:45.25 | Thunder_Child | ~wowaddon |
| 02:45.28 | Thunder_Child | meh |
| 02:45.34 | Thunder_Child | i forgot what the other one was |
| 02:46.15 | Iriel | alestane: dead for me too, that's not useful |
| 02:48.15 | Iriel | alestane: the site in general seems to be a bit 'challenged' to be honest |
| 02:53.33 | alestane | Well, at least that blizzard link looks like the right version. Off to bed for me though. |
| 03:05.38 | kd3 | hey adys, the db is busted |
| 03:06.41 | Adys | yeah |
| 03:06.44 | Adys | since a while |
| 03:06.48 | Adys | squid going fucknuts |
| 03:22.41 | Kraps | heirloom mace or sword for a dk? |
| 03:23.49 | Wobin | hehe |
| 03:23.49 | Kraps | axe* |
| 03:23.59 | Wobin | a friend who works at MS |
| 03:24.01 | Wobin | People were running around screaming THE AD PLATFORM IS DOWN THE AD PLATFORM IS DOWNâ |
| 03:24.01 | Wobin | And the sky was falling and hellfire and brimstone was happening and angst |
| 03:24.07 | Wobin | Until someone walks over to whoever started this and goes âum, you have ad blocker installed you idiotâ |
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| 03:25.25 | mikma | wobin: "teeheehee"? |
| 03:25.52 | tem | Hey anyone remember how Occulus works? |
| 03:26.01 | tem | It's been like 6 months since I've done the instance |
| 03:26.06 | mikma | the item in d2? |
| 03:26.16 | tem | *glare* |
| 03:26.25 | tem | The Oculus |
| 03:28.24 | Adys | kd3: ping |
| 03:28.41 | kd3 | pong |
| 03:28.53 | Adys | could you upload the enUS patch somewhere? |
| 03:29.00 | Adys | cant dl it because of that shitty upnp bug |
| 03:29.21 | mikma | i could also want the anUS patch |
| 03:30.17 | kd3 | weird; the downloader's working fine for me |
| 03:30.21 | Wobin | tem: how it works? How do you mean? |
| 03:30.28 | tem | like |
| 03:30.31 | tem | the drakes |
| 03:30.32 | kd3 | it's gonna be a few minutes; I've got crap for upstream |
| 03:30.37 | tem | how many of each do you use? |
| 03:30.51 | Adys | kd3: dl doesnt work here but I cant even reach the downloader on enGB |
| 03:30.59 | Adys | I get the -1% download bug |
| 03:31.09 | Adys | and "Unable to patch, please contact..." |
| 03:31.38 | Wobin | at least one red normally |
| 03:31.40 | Wobin | and one green |
| 03:32.19 | Wobin | two greens if you've not done this for a long time |
| 03:32.21 | Adys | tem: green healer, red tank, rest dps |
| 03:32.26 | tem | nod nod |
| 03:32.36 | Wobin | and strip naked |
| 03:32.41 | Wobin | cause gear has no effect, yet |
| 03:32.42 | Adys | and dance |
| 03:32.52 | Wobin | and you might as well save yourself the repair bills |
| 03:32.56 | mikma | haste: http://kuvaton.com/bshit/tp8yv8tzwqfw9jebbcjfubkro1_500.jpg |
| 03:33.25 | Wobin | Essentially, you want your DPS to time freeze when he enrages |
| 03:33.30 | Wobin | so they trade off cooldowns |
| 03:33.53 | Wobin | the tank wants to target the adds before casting his attack, as it does -more- damage the further along the chain it does |
| 03:34.32 | Wobin | and when he phases out, you want to, en mass, strafe in a direction, probably say "clockwise" so everyone moves in the same way |
| 03:34.39 | Wobin | it's kinda Malygos |
| 03:57.44 | kd3 | har at the twink-enabling NPC in stormwind |
| 03:57.50 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Behsten |
| 03:58.48 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 03:58.51 | ScytheBlade1 | nice emotes |
| 03:58.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Title |
| 03:59.00 | ScytheBlade1 | <Experience Eliminator> |
| 03:59.11 | kd3 | I'm still sitting there waiting for another than the three he's made so far |
| 04:04.00 | ScytheBlade1 | heh @ my edit count |
| 04:04.11 | ScytheBlade1 | total: 43; all wikis: 43 |
| 04:04.28 | kd3 | idly wonders if he's hit 20k yet |
| 04:05.23 | Shirik | hm |
| 04:05.25 | Shirik | I just lost power |
| 04:05.56 | Thunder_Child | sucks to be you |
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| 05:14.06 | NightHawkTheSane | i have no idea what +c does to the channel, but without it, this channel would be +tng... </nerd> |
| 05:16.05 | Arrowmaster | its usually either no colors or no ctcps |
| 05:16.59 | Arrowmaster | and most clients display channel modes in alphabetical order so you wouldnt see it as +tng |
| 05:17.27 | NightHawkTheSane | my client said "Mode: +tncg" when i joined. *shrug* |
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| 05:18.27 | sacarasc | I got tncg too. |
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| 05:28.05 | Kraps | i cant put a rune on a heirloom weapon |
| 05:28.55 | Kraps | why? |
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| 05:37.54 | Thunder_Child | maybe because a rune cant handle a weapon that changes level |
| 05:39.20 | Kraps | thats not what i was told :( |
| 05:39.39 | sacarasc | Maybe because it's a level 1 weapon. |
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| 05:40.31 | Kraps | glyph of death grip is win |
| 05:42.00 | NightHawkTheSane | sacarasc is correct. all heirloom items count as level 1 items for the purposes of enchantments. |
| 05:42.16 | NightHawkTheSane | (which makes the heirloom weapon of questionable value for dks) |
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| 05:45.52 | Wobin | There's no point really, for the DK to use a heirloom weapon |
| 05:45.59 | Wobin | there are decent enough weapons as you level up |
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| 05:50.26 | Kraps | well its too late now isnt it |
| 05:50.35 | Shirik | so I found out why the power went out |
| 05:50.39 | Shirik | there is a HUGE fire in town |
| 05:50.47 | Shirik | art gallery caught fire, caught the jewelry store, then a brewery |
| 05:52.23 | sacarasc | How long ago did you get it? You might be able to get a refund still... |
| 05:52.47 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: ouch. >< heat related i imagine? |
| 05:53.21 | Shirik | seems like it |
| 05:54.07 | NightHawkTheSane | wtb sub-90 temps again :( |
| 05:55.07 | Shirik | for reals |
| 05:55.32 | NightHawkTheSane | im not really sure i can take another day like today. |
| 05:57.17 | Thunder_Child | no AC? |
| 05:57.28 | NightHawkTheSane | no AC and a 2nd floor apt. |
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| 05:59.59 | Shirik | ow |
| 06:00.09 | Shirik | anyway I got some interesting pictures |
| 06:00.15 | Shirik | unfortunately I got there too late to really get shots of the fire |
| 06:00.26 | Shirik | supposedly the fire was like twice as tall as the buildings |
| 06:00.46 | Shirik | and my internet connection is shit right now, probably because of all the smoke |
| 06:00.47 | Shirik | wow |
| 06:00.56 | NightHawkTheSane | night folks. |
| 06:00.59 | Wobin | Kraps: sacarasc is right, you might be able to refund if you're fast |
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| 06:01.36 | Wobin | although, you're better off than one of my guildies |
| 06:01.52 | Kraps | send it to my main and then sell it back? |
| 06:01.58 | sacarasc | Aye. |
| 06:02.01 | Wobin | who bought the whole set, but didn't realise you couldn't transfer it across servers without transferring the toon |
| 06:02.15 | Wobin | and cashed in a whole lot of the emblems of valor |
| 06:02.35 | sacarasc | Damn, that's gotta suck. |
| 06:03.06 | Thunder_Child | really Shirik? is your net connection based on smoke signals? |
| 06:03.08 | sacarasc | I almost bought a set for a char on the other faction, but I first tried sending a bind to account pet. |
| 06:03.13 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: It's a microwave connection |
| 06:07.35 | Shirik | ok linux gurus |
| 06:07.46 | Thunder_Child | pfft, oxymoron |
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| 06:07.50 | Shirik | is there a way I can take an image of the card in the camera attached to my computer? |
| 06:08.29 | Arrowmaster | yeah use dd |
| 06:11.35 | sacarasc | It took Arrowmaster's answer for me to make sense of that question. I feel my brain is not functioning at a reasonable capacity. |
| 06:11.43 | Cairenn | http://ihasahotdog.com/2009/07/29/funny-dog-pictures-give-life/ |
| 06:12.12 | Shirik | Arrowmaster: That would be awesome if I had a way to access the camera |
| 06:16.10 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: unplug camera, plug camera in, dmesg | tail |
| 06:16.34 | Arrowmaster | it should probably same some usb device was found |
| 06:17.03 | Arrowmaster | for my usb flash drives its /dev/sd* that are found |
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| 06:25.28 | Shirik | I guess I have to actually GET linux first |
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| 06:40.35 | Wobin | Bananarama have a new single =P |
| 06:40.36 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOLwcHhy_Wk&feature=player_embedded |
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| 06:49.57 | Shirik | ... |
| 06:50.00 | Shirik | my guild is very strange |
| 06:50.16 | Shirik | they are discussing the fact that one of the best ways to prevent pregnancy is to get pregnant |
| 06:50.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm sure this surprises no one |
| 06:50.31 | ScytheBlade1 | @ your guild being strange, that is |
| 06:50.51 | Thunder_Child | well the statment is correct it a very litteral sense |
| 06:53.32 | Corey | does anyone use macaroon? |
| 06:54.08 | Thunder_Child | only as a food substitute |
| 06:55.11 | Corey | sorry, does anybody use the on topic flavour of macaroon? |
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| 07:09.27 | Corey | or is anybody semi-familiar with it ? |
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| 07:15.08 | Shirik | ok |
| 07:15.09 | Shirik | I suck |
| 07:15.22 | Shirik | I just spent the last hour and a half trying to recover photos that never existed in the first place |
| 07:15.27 | Thunder_Child | stop giving us openings Shirik |
| 07:15.44 | Shirik | I already imported the photos into lightroom :( |
| 07:15.55 | Shirik | sighs |
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| 08:04.21 | End | These checks are win. |
| 08:12.40 | Fisker | slaps End around a bit with a large trout |
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| 08:16.04 | Spellbinder-afk | Fisker |
| 08:16.14 | Fisker | Spellbinder-afk |
| 08:16.33 | Spellbinder-afk | you said something about a patch for diablo2 |
| 08:16.40 | Spellbinder-afk | where can i get one? |
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| 08:20.06 | Fisker | naw |
| 08:20.20 | Spellbinder-afk | for better graphix? |
| 08:21.15 | Fisker | oh |
| 08:21.16 | Fisker | yeah |
| 08:21.25 | Fisker | http://www.moddb.com/games/diablo-2/news/d2multires |
| 08:21.41 | Spellbinder-afk | sweet thx a bunch :) |
| 08:21.47 | nevcairiel | you know what would be cool, if that would work on battle.net |
| 08:22.27 | Spellbinder-afk | :) |
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| 08:36.00 | Wobin | Fisker: this is a few months old, you know? |
| 08:36.16 | Wobin | http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16131 |
| 08:41.31 | Fisker | old Wobin |
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| 11:01.23 | cogumel0 | doesn't oUF core have a function to display class icons ? |
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| 11:37.05 | cogumel0 | guess no one knows :S |
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| 11:39.58 | nevcairiel | haste does |
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| 11:46.44 | cogumel0 | I didn't find anything for class icons, how do you it ? |
| 11:47.16 | nevcairiel | manually, probably |
| 11:47.47 | cogumel0 | what do you mean ? |
| 11:48.08 | cogumel0 | I mean what's the function that you call for setting the class icon for a certain frame |
| 11:48.11 | foxlit | They're a texture. |
| 11:48.19 | foxlit | Create a texture. Position a texture. Eat cookies. |
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| 11:48.48 | cogumel0 | ahh... |
| 11:49.04 | foxlit | Of course, that's the generic solution. If you're using some framework, go read it's documentation :) |
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| 11:49.22 | foxlit | s/it's/its/ |
| 11:49.24 | cogumel0 | if I was able to find some for oUF, I'd read it |
| 11:50.22 | nevcairiel | oUF doesnt seem to have a class-icon element |
| 11:50.25 | nevcairiel | but its so trivial to do |
| 11:50.42 | foxlit | Then I think it's time to whine at oUF's author. |
| 11:51.12 | Pneumatus | even simpleunitframes has class icons :o |
| 11:51.24 | nevcairiel | oUF isnt a UF, its just a framework to create an UF. |
| 11:51.32 | cogumel0 | I believe you, I'm making an addon for it to allow you to create it simply, without having to create the textures yourself. the question was a bit more like... if oUF already has a call function for it, no need for me to create one |
| 11:51.51 | nevcairiel | class-icons are so damn easy to create, there is no point in having a dedicated element for it |
| 11:52.18 | cogumel0 | so are druid hots and you have an addon for that :P |
| 11:52.35 | nevcairiel | I don't get the point now =P |
| 11:52.58 | cogumel0 | point is... if there's something you can export outside your "main" ouf layout and just make a call for it on your layout, why not do it? |
| 11:53.16 | cogumel0 | makes the layout easier to use and provides other with function calls it they wanna use it the same way |
| 11:53.27 | nevcairiel | If you would know how oUF was designed, you wouldnt even ask. |
| 11:53.36 | cogumel0 | go on then, hit me |
| 11:53.50 | nevcairiel | Does oUF provide the status bars for HP/MP? |
| 11:53.57 | nevcairiel | No, it doesnt. You have to create them |
| 11:54.04 | nevcairiel | Does it provide any frame at all? |
| 11:54.08 | nevcairiel | No, you create them. |
| 11:54.27 | cogumel0 | but I'm not talking about creating the frames for you |
| 11:54.48 | nevcairiel | If its not supposed to create the class-icon frame for you, wtf is it supposed to do? |
| 11:55.20 | nevcairiel | because thats like all there is to do, plus one tiny callback to refresh the icon |
| 11:55.30 | cogumel0 | well ok maybe I am to a certain extent |
| 11:56.31 | cogumel0 | but for example, that's exactly what druidHots does for you |
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| 11:57.23 | nevcairiel | But that wasn't written by the oUF author |
| 11:57.28 | nevcairiel | its from some 3rd party author |
| 11:57.45 | cogumel0 | yeah, true, but doesn't it make it easier to use the one already created than having to create it yourself ? |
| 11:58.05 | nevcairiel | so create one, and offer it to other people |
| 11:58.08 | cogumel0 | I'm not saying that haste should provide class icons in his framework |
| 11:58.28 | cogumel0 | I'm just saying that if it's created as a plugin it might be useful and help keep the true layout cleaner |
| 11:58.34 | nevcairiel | That its not existing yet is an indicator for me, that it was so simple that no-one ever wanted to modularize it |
| 11:59.04 | cogumel0 | there's simpler things made into a plugin -.- |
| 11:59.07 | cogumel0 | like afk icon |
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| 11:59.42 | nevcairiel | afk icons change while the frame is shown, classes usually only change when the unit itself changes, which already has a full callback event anyway |
| 12:00.30 | nevcairiel | Like i said, if you think its worth a full module, go write one, no-one is stopping you |
| 12:01.06 | cogumel0 | afk icons changes in the same way rested or combat changes - while the frame is shown. Yet you don't see plugins for rested or combat icons :P |
| 12:01.19 | nevcairiel | rested and combat are in the oUF core. |
| 12:01.54 | nevcairiel | oUF\elements\status.lua .. handles both .Resting and .Combat |
| 12:02.51 | cogumel0 | and leader icon ? |
| 12:03.11 | nevcairiel | that too, in leader.lua :P |
| 12:03.17 | cogumel0 | :P |
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| 12:09.32 | cogumel0 | if I have oUF:RegisterStyle("oUF_mine", function(self, unit) ..... ... ... ) is there anytime when unit will be different from self.unit ? |
| 12:10.08 | cogumel0 | 'cause I just saw some code where a guy did .. if self.unit ~= unit then return end. Just wondering if that will ever happen or if it's useless to have that |
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| 12:26.57 | haste | cogumel0: self.unit can be nil in the style function |
| 12:27.14 | haste | cogumel0: oUF doesn't always know what unit it's spawning |
| 12:27.53 | cogumel0 | umm, ok. thx |
| 12:28.24 | haste | regarding the class icon: no, oUF doesn't provid you with it |
| 12:28.38 | haste | the scope of what it does is pretty much limited to what blizzard does |
| 12:28.54 | foxlit | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=10222324391&sid=1 << those threads are downright odd. |
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| 12:31.08 | dardack | anyone know if UB is staying as is or actually changing for 3.2? cause wowheads ptr calculator has it staying the same (which i'm hoping for) |
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| 12:35.51 | Kalroth | have anyone messed around with the new HEAL_ABSORB, PERIODIC_HEAL_ABSORB or HEAL_CRIT_ABSORB? |
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| 12:42.41 | mdub | anyone happen to know what these new _ABSORB events are in 3.2? |
| 12:42.52 | mdub | (combatlog event types) |
| 12:43.30 | Kalroth | I already spammed and they're still ignoring me :( |
| 12:43.43 | mdub | oh |
| 12:43.45 | Kalroth | jnwhiteh should know, but he's old and tired |
| 12:43.52 | mdub | hehe |
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| 12:45.20 | jnwhiteh | you'd have to grep the source and see where they're used. |
| 12:45.24 | jnwhiteh | or.. go test. |
| 12:46.04 | Kalroth | He did |
| 12:46.18 | Kalroth | But I finally found a post on it :p |
| 12:46.28 | Kalroth | http://www.wowace.com/announcements/wow-3-2-ptr-diff/ first comment, mdub |
| 12:46.37 | nevcairiel | Afaik, its only for spells that absorb heals |
| 12:46.43 | nevcairiel | same as for absorbing dmg |
| 12:46.46 | Kalroth | he's testing with the legendary mace |
| 12:46.57 | mdub | yeah i've been staring at combat log events for a bit now |
| 12:47.06 | Kalroth | "As for combat log changes, all healing events have an additional field added, just before where crits were usually reported. This is the data that will lead to these *HEAL_*_ABSORB events for the combat text." |
| 12:47.10 | mdub | trying to see if there's any changes that would allow for tracking the source of absorbs |
| 12:47.11 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 12:47.23 | Kalroth | mdub: http://www.wowace.com/announcements/wow-3-2-ptr-diff/#c14 |
| 12:47.27 | nevcairiel | no, thats not what they are for, mdub |
| 12:47.50 | mdub | bummer :( |
| 12:48.04 | Kalroth | it's still not possible to see the source of the absorb? :/ |
| 12:48.13 | Lopeppeppy | I think they pretty deliberately don't give us that, for whatever reason. |
| 12:48.30 | Kalroth | they hate players with the mace, only possible reason! |
| 12:48.37 | mdub | ^ |
| 12:48.40 | Lopeppeppy | And priest bubbles, and and and. |
| 12:48.59 | jnwhiteh | alternatively, that information isn't readily available. |
| 12:49.44 | Kalroth | jnwhiteh: Sorry, logic and sense doesn't work as long as Fisker is around |
| 12:50.33 | mdub | welp i guess i am sol |
| 12:52.06 | Kalroth | ohnoes, Linux and Alan are mad at each other |
| 12:52.06 | Kalroth | http://www.h-online.com/open/Dispute-between-Linux-gurus-Alan-Cox-and-Linus-Torvalds--/news/113882 |
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| 12:57.32 | alestane | Somebody comments that sponsored WoW tournaments disallow add-ons; do they also block macros? |
| 12:58.28 | Kalroth | I believe you got 10 minutes to setup your macros |
| 12:58.39 | Kalroth | You have to type them yourself though |
| 12:58.59 | alestane | Fair enough. |
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| 13:03.47 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 13:04.12 | jnwhiteh | what addons do people feel like they need? |
| 13:04.23 | jnwhiteh | just started from scratch and need to see if i missed anything. |
| 13:05.17 | Lopeppeppy | I *need* unit frames and Clique. That's it, the rest I can get along without. After that comes PallyPower, bar frames, and cooldown timers. |
| 13:05.36 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
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| 13:05.40 | jnwhiteh | just looking for other nice things to have |
| 13:05.47 | Lopeppeppy | What class? |
| 13:05.51 | jnwhiteh | druid primarily |
| 13:05.53 | jnwhiteh | for example |
| 13:05.59 | jnwhiteh | I _need_ an addon that adds ilevelto the tooltips. |
| 13:06.20 | Lopeppeppy | healydruids have been known to enjoy HoT timers and innervate cooldown timers, that I know of. |
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| 13:06.41 | jnwhiteh | i have both |
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| 13:08.39 | Lopeppeppy | Um.... Pally has been my main squeeze for a long time. I think I also like to have neat raid warnings, just to play nice with the rest of the raid, and oRA2. |
| 13:09.23 | alestane | jnwhiteh: There's an option for ilevel in tooltips in 3.2. |
| 13:11.43 | jnwhiteh | alestane: oh, then i'll leave it as a wowlua script and leave it out |
| 13:11.44 | jnwhiteh | thanks. |
| 13:11.50 | jnwhiteh | cut doublewide and devtools as well |
| 13:11.56 | jnwhiteh | since i think i can make it a week without them |
| 13:12.12 | Fisker | help me out of this nightmare jnwhiteh |
| 13:12.23 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: puppies! |
| 13:12.30 | Fisker | doesn't work |
| 13:12.31 | Adys | I need a bag addon |
| 13:12.34 | Adys | bagnon |
| 13:12.41 | jnwhiteh | Adys: zomg default bags! |
| 13:12.48 | Adys | I cry when i have default bags |
| 13:13.23 | Adys | doublewide is included by default in 3.2 too |
| 13:13.37 | Adys | http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2442/3541890233_1f800ec5ec.jpg |
| 13:14.04 | jnwhiteh | Adys: i know, i said this. |
| 13:14.18 | Adys | oh |
| 13:14.19 | jnwhiteh | thats why i've removed it |
| 13:14.43 | Adys | hmmmmmmmmm |
| 13:14.59 | Adys | well second pick would be bartender |
| 13:15.19 | Adys | and third pick would be a tooltip on link hover addon |
| 13:15.25 | Adys | thats all |
| 13:15.49 | krka | I need ItemRack, Quip, DevTools, BugGrabber, WowLua, ag_UnitFrames, Bartender4, EquipCompare |
| 13:15.55 | krka | probably forgot one or two addons there |
| 13:16.07 | Adys | i can go without pitbull |
| 13:16.18 | Adys | its a bit hard but still i can live with default uf |
| 13:16.34 | mikma | krka: try Shadowed Unitframes to replace agUF |
| 13:16.48 | Adys | pitbull tbh |
| 13:17.14 | krka | mikma: why? |
| 13:17.35 | jnwhiteh | itemrack still updated? |
| 13:17.38 | mikma | krka: trust me on this one, try it :) |
| 13:18.12 | Adys | why itemrack? default ui has a decent replacement |
| 13:18.18 | krka | btw, as a healer it would be nice to see some sort of highlight on the party frame when targeting a party member |
| 13:18.25 | krka | does shadowed do that? |
| 13:18.32 | Lopeppeppy | I rarely actually target a party member. Clique. |
| 13:18.32 | Adys | pitbull does! |
| 13:18.33 | krka | default ui sucks tbgh |
| 13:18.43 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 13:18.50 | jnwhiteh | what are the _best_ pvp trinkets |
| 13:18.53 | jnwhiteh | i.e. which are the highest? |
| 13:19.02 | krka | but clique requires me to set up all the possible spells i need to cast on party members |
| 13:19.06 | Adys | what do you mean jnwhiteh ? |
| 13:19.16 | Adys | highest? |
| 13:19.22 | jnwhiteh | yeah .. best |
| 13:19.23 | mikma | ilvl? |
| 13:19.25 | jnwhiteh | i'm not sure how to say it. |
| 13:19.37 | mikma | jnwhiteh: the titan version and lvl80 honor? |
| 13:19.59 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 13:20.02 | jnwhiteh | best right now is the 1800 rating one. |
| 13:20.10 | krka | mikma: how does shadowed differ from ag uf? |
| 13:20.13 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/4/0/?slot=12&quality=4#sort:level |
| 13:20.13 | jnwhiteh | i have the +111 spellpower/trinket. |
| 13:20.21 | jnwhiteh | but for pvp, i really should want the 84 resilience one |
| 13:20.23 | jnwhiteh | i _think_ |
| 13:20.27 | jnwhiteh | but i could just buy the BoA one |
| 13:20.28 | jnwhiteh | mebbe. |
| 13:20.51 | mikma | krka: not much actually |
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| 13:21.03 | jnwhiteh | well i'm off to buy the level 80 honor one |
| 13:21.10 | jnwhiteh | since resilience is more important than spellpower at the moment. |
| 13:21.12 | mikma | krka: http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info13494-ShadowedUnitFrames.html |
| 13:21.39 | Adys | which race jnwhiteh ? |
| 13:21.41 | jnwhiteh | means i just blew 10000 honor tho |
| 13:21.42 | krka | yeah, already there |
| 13:21.44 | jnwhiteh | Adys: nelf. |
| 13:21.46 | krka | but it doesn't really say much |
| 13:21.58 | Adys | I grabbed the 111sp/3.3k |
| 13:21.58 | krka | why do i need to change, if it doesn't differ much? |
| 13:21.59 | Adys | with it |
| 13:22.01 | Adys | I recommend http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/46081/titan-forged-rune-of-audacity/ |
| 13:22.09 | jnwhiteh | have it |
| 13:22.11 | jnwhiteh | but no resilience. |
| 13:22.25 | jnwhiteh | i'm not at 900 yet. |
| 13:22.27 | mikma | krka: well one of the most important reason is suf is maintained, almost daily! ^^ |
| 13:22.37 | Adys | krka: as an ex aguf user, I really recommend switching to pitbull, aguf is unmaintained and slow |
| 13:22.41 | Adys | also less features |
| 13:22.42 | krka | i don't update addons if they aren't broken :P |
| 13:22.42 | alestane | "You create: [Primal Might]x4" that would have been SO sweet in the old days. |
| 13:23.44 | mikma | krka: well i can't force you, you need to try it yourself if agUF is not working the way you want. |
| 13:23.55 | krka | yeah just wondering |
| 13:24.25 | jnwhiteh | 881 resilience with that trinket |
| 13:25.28 | krka | i'll give it a try when i get home though |
| 13:26.32 | Lopeppeppy | I really wish I could use ag_uf again, in all honesty I miss the out-of-the-box setup and much easier configuration. Too many options are just... overwhelming. I hate Pitbull passionately. |
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| 13:28.03 | mikma | lopeppeppy: shadowed unit frames ^^ |
| 13:28.23 | Slafsinator | Nurfed UFs |
| 13:28.24 | Kalroth | pitbull is also a CPU hog |
| 13:28.46 | Lopeppeppy | mikma, next time I update I might try them. They still look to require much more hand-configuration than I want. I don't need fancy omg colors, just scale and buff/debuff. |
| 13:29.14 | krka | yeah, ag_uf was perfect out of the box |
| 13:30.31 | mikma | lopeppeppy: http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw28618.png < suf's default setup |
| 13:31.31 | Lopeppeppy | Has some meh, but like I said, next time I update, I'll check it out. Must find my authenticator first, which is lost. |
| 13:31.47 | Cruciformer | 'lo all |
| 13:32.26 | alestane | I should really stop spending time on trying to convince people to stop wasting their breath demanding things from Blizzard. The recursion is giving me a headache. |
| 13:32.32 | Cruciformer | anyone familiar with Callbackhander ace3 lib? |
| 13:33.53 | jnwhiteh | yeah just ask |
| 13:34.32 | Cruciformer | any reason why if I was to embed it (not using the normal ace3 framework, copying the code into place) why there is a restriction of not using self? |
| 13:35.13 | Cruciformer | for example I have a core library (which contains callbackhandler) and I want to be able to use mycore:RegisterEvent() etc in the actual mod |
| 13:35.59 | Cruciformer | (which reminds me thre is an actual mis-fature in callbackhandler - it checks for using your own self for unregisterevent but not for registerevent) |
| 13:36.18 | jnwhiteh | Mikk or nevcairiel might be able to answer, I'm not sure. |
| 13:39.13 | Mikk | Cruciformer: it checks against the self used when creating the registry |
| 13:39.15 | Mikk | so if you want to |
| 13:39.21 | Mikk | you can create a registry on a dummy table |
| 13:39.35 | Mikk | and then copy the funcrefs to the addon |
| 13:39.43 | Mikk | but that'd be for internal use in the addon then |
| 13:40.16 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, help me catch a Glitchpaw! :) |
| 13:40.43 | Cruciformer | Mikk: Actually the error() was onlt being triggered when I actually called UnregisterEvent() not when I created the registry. |
| 13:41.22 | Cruciformer | and it wasn't being triggered when I called RegisterEvent(), which as I said was a mis-feature I believe, I think it wants to trap it in both places if itsgoing to enforce that. |
| 13:43.29 | Cruciformer | Mikk: wouldn't there be an advantage to having a single registry btw? Why have each addon create its own registry? |
| 13:44.34 | Mikk | to implicitly avoid name conflicts |
| 13:44.49 | Mikk | which was a problem with aceevent |
| 13:45.11 | Mikk | and i'm 99.99% certain i put a test for it in registerevent too |
| 13:45.21 | Mikk | so if it's no longer there, some miscreant has been mucking about |
| 13:46.01 | Cruciformer | you did but only in the first part of the conditional. Your line numbers may be different but you need the check in teh "else" clause of "if type(method) == "string" then" ... |
| 13:46.25 | Mikk | error("Usage: "..RegisterName.."(\"eventname\", \"methodname\"): do not use Library:"..RegisterName.."(), use your own 'self'", 2) |
| 13:46.33 | Cruciformer | its on line 150 that it needs a check (one is present on line 136 |
| 13:46.48 | Mikk | ah |
| 13:46.52 | Mikk | absolutely true |
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| 13:48.31 | Cruciformer | ok so in my case for my core library where I actually *do* want a central registry, I just call :New with a dummy table as the first arg and then copy the funcrefs back into my library's namespace? |
| 13:50.15 | Lopeppeppy | I want an actual ticket system for my sheeple, that forces them upload a screenshot of their error message. Grrrr. |
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| 14:10.19 | Adys | Anyone knows how to default an empty string with postgres? |
| 14:10.36 | Cruciformer | use default ''? |
| 14:10.36 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/cooldog3.jpg |
| 14:10.53 | Adys | oh yeah |
| 14:10.57 | Adys | pg is annoying with quotes |
| 14:11.27 | Cruciformer | <3 pgsql |
| 14:12.57 | Cruciformer | Mikk: I found something weird (I think); |
| 14:13.33 | Mikk | Cruciformer: mhm? |
| 14:13.35 | Cruciformer | Mikk: With that check in the else clause of CBH, when I call mymod:RegisterMessage() I get the error() function called telling me not to use self. |
| 14:14.00 | Cruciformer | I'll make a quick pastey to show what I mean |
| 14:14.04 | Cruciformer | :split foo |
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| 14:15.53 | Cruciformer | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/118837 |
| 14:16.03 | Cruciformer | K:NewCB is Callbackhandler:New() btw. |
| 14:17.25 | Cruciformer | with that check for self==target on line 150 of Callbackhandler I get: KKore:NewCB(RegisterMessage): do not use KKore:RegisterMessage(), use your own 'self'. |
| 14:21.25 | Cruciformer | So something is a bit off somewhere and I cant quite put my finger on it. |
| 14:26.20 | Cruciformer | Actually, now that I look at it, I don't see how that condition can ever FAIL. self will always == target. |
| 14:28.18 | Adirelle|work | Cruciformer: RegisterMessage signature is KKore.RegisterMessage(registeree, event, callback) |
| 14:28.23 | Cruciformer | Looks like Callbackhandler:New() needs a "local myself = self" at the top, and those checks need to be "if (target == myself)" ... |
| 14:28.35 | Adirelle|work | this is supposely used on libraries, and libraries tend to not register message to themselves |
| 14:30.42 | Cruciformer | the sig is: target[regName] = function(self, eventname, method, ...) |
| 14:31.08 | Cruciformer | so in this ksk *is* the registeree, so ksk:RegisterMessage() should work, yes? |
| 14:31.30 | Cruciformer | or am I missing what you are trying to say? |
| 14:31.57 | Adirelle|work | no because it is both the library AND the registeree, from CBH point of view, and CBH do not allow this (remember that CBH was designed primarily for libraries) |
| 14:32.05 | Adirelle|work | does not* |
| 14:32.46 | Cruciformer | ah. |
| 14:32.59 | Adirelle|work | use this : http://wowuidev.pastey.net/118838 |
| 14:33.54 | Cruciformer | am I correct in asuming that the check in CBH: elseif self==target then ... is intended to prevent people from calling CBH:RegisterMessage() directly? |
| 14:34.19 | Mikk | almost |
| 14:34.25 | Mikk | CBH:RegisterMessage doesnt exist |
| 14:34.44 | Mikk | it's meant to protect against people being stupid and doing e.g. AceEvent:RegisterMessage(myFuncRef) |
| 14:35.02 | Mikk | because then the next one that does, implicitly deregisters the first |
| 14:35.04 | Cruciformer | gotcha |
| 14:35.26 | Cruciformer | Adirelle|work: Ok cool I had just done exactly that for a "RegisterEvent" type thing. |
| 14:38.43 | Cruciformer | thanks for the help Mikk and Adirelle |
| 14:42.09 | Cruciformer | I dont know why more adons dont use CBH ... it is *so* useful. |
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| 14:45.22 | Jelly_ | tickles Peppy. |
| 14:45.32 | alestane | Eep! |
| 14:45.48 | alestane | Okay, so I'm not getting tickled. |
| 14:45.51 | |Jelly| | tackles alestane! |
| 14:45.57 | alestane | Oof! |
| 14:46.00 | |Jelly| | :P |
| 14:46.08 | malreth | it doesn't count... |Jelly| isn't a girl |
| 14:46.24 | Adys | wah |
| 14:46.27 | |Jelly| | So you, Lunessa and Shirik will be glad to know that I'm not taking any programming classes this semester. :P |
| 14:46.29 | Adys | so last night was.. |
| 14:46.32 | Adys | :( |
| 14:46.35 | Shirik | :( |
| 14:46.36 | Cruciformer | new rule: only girls can tickle?? |
| 14:46.36 | |Jelly| | gay love. Yup. |
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| 14:46.58 | |Jelly| | I don't know if Cairenn will enforce that rule. |
| 14:47.04 | malreth | Cruciformer: that is a good rule |
| 14:47.23 | malreth | it is worth enforcing |
| 14:47.31 | |Jelly| | tickles malreth. |
| 14:49.18 | malreth | it never happened |
| 14:49.30 | Lopeppeppy | looks around at what she's missing. |
| 14:49.39 | malreth | you missed nothing |
| 14:49.40 | Cruciformer | malreth: we weren't asking, don't tell :) |
| 14:49.48 | |Jelly| | tickles Peppy, hardcore! |
| 14:49.55 | Lopeppeppy | Rawr, Jelly! *giggle* |
| 14:49.59 | |Jelly| | hehe |
| 14:50.06 | |Jelly| | See? Peppy doesn't have a problem with it! |
| 14:50.12 | malreth | ~tickle Lopeppeppy |
| 14:50.12 | purl | ACTION jumps on Lopeppeppy, yelling "TICKLE FIGHT!!!!" |
| 14:51.56 | |Jelly| | woot! Just got my T8.5 bp! |
| 14:52.05 | |Jelly| | Apparently, I needed 58 and not 59 emblems! |
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| 14:52.21 | Cruciformer | bp? |
| 14:52.27 | |Jelly| | breastplate |
| 14:52.35 | |Jelly| | Sorry ... EQ habits |
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| 15:01.50 | Tem | can anyone see when I went offline last? |
| 15:02.35 | Cruciformer | 08:07 -!- tem [n=tardmrr@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Dongle/Tem] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] |
| 15:02.37 | Nuckin | did GetDifficultyColor() get changed in 3.2? |
| 15:02.56 | Tem | what time is it now for you? |
| 15:03.10 | Cruciformer | (its 15:02 according to my local clock) |
| 15:03.11 | mikma | tem: 7 hours ago |
| 15:03.27 | Tem | thanks |
| 15:03.37 | NightHawkTheSane | it's sad, because it's true.. http://notalwaysright.com/land-of-the-free-home-of-the-single-minded/2288 |
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| 15:07.10 | Shirik | anybody here know photoshop? How can I make a pure white layer from a selection (everything else should be transparent) |
| 15:07.54 | Cruciformer | Ctrl-A to select all, and delete, with teh background color set to shite |
| 15:08.09 | Cruciformer | (Ctrl-A with the layer selected of course) |
| 15:09.32 | Shirik | what won't make the transparent part white? |
| 15:09.42 | Cide | I don't understand your question |
| 15:09.48 | Slafsinator | delete first, then bucket white into the empty |
| 15:10.06 | Cide | make a new layer, make a selection, use the bucket tool to make the selection white |
| 15:10.12 | Slafsinator | or make a new layer, select in it, bucket into selection and merge layers |
| 15:10.12 | Cide | ?? |
| 15:10.29 | Shirik | there's a bucket tool? >.> |
| 15:10.34 | Cide | ... |
| 15:10.37 | Cide | welcome to mspaint.exe |
| 15:10.44 | malreth | photoshop has a bukkit |
| 15:10.47 | Shirik | I would have thought it would be too rudimentary for PS |
| 15:11.10 | Cide | press G |
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| 15:12.09 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 15:12.11 | Fisker | hey Shirik |
| 15:13.41 | janalopa | hey guys... I want to develop a new special addon for WOW and I can't decide between 2 ideas... |
| 15:14.02 | Shirik | I see, it's under the gradient tool |
| 15:14.06 | Fisker | :( |
| 15:14.10 | Cide | NO |
| 15:14.15 | janalopa | A skype addon, where u will be able to chat with your existing friends list whithin wow or inside web browser? |
| 15:14.19 | Cide | the gradient tool is under the bukkit tool |
| 15:14.25 | Shirik | :/ |
| 15:14.26 | Cide | janalopa: not possible |
| 15:14.31 | Fisker | i hate you Shirik |
| 15:14.38 | Cide | don't pm |
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| 15:14.48 | Cide | and it's not possible |
| 15:14.58 | Cide | unless your idea is different from the proposed idea |
| 15:15.05 | janalopa | Cide: diffrent |
| 15:15.05 | malreth | seconded... not possible as a WoW addon |
| 15:15.14 | Cide | then why propose something that you're not proposing? |
| 15:15.15 | janalopa | Cide: overlayer |
| 15:15.22 | Cide | then it's not an addon |
| 15:15.29 | Lopeppeppy | janalopa, you can do a an overlay, Ventrilo does it already. But from within WoW, no. |
| 15:15.43 | Cide | but said overlay can't use the existing friends list |
| 15:15.50 | Cide | that would be interfacing with wow |
| 15:15.52 | Shirik | sure it can |
| 15:15.56 | Shirik | it just needs to read memory |
| 15:15.57 | janalopa | Cide: existing skype friend list |
| 15:16.07 | Cide | janalopa: then you're making a skype plugin |
| 15:16.14 | janalopa | cide: yep |
| 15:16.15 | Cide | Shirik: which isn't allowed re: warden |
| 15:16.16 | Lopeppeppy | It can read your Skype list all it wants, it's not a WoW addon, but... what he said. |
| 15:16.23 | malreth | janalopa: you're in the wrong channel... you want the #wowoverlay channel |
| 15:16.23 | Shirik | Cide: But possible :) |
| 15:16.27 | Cide | Shirik: certainly |
| 15:16.32 | nicoli_s | it could read the friends list if there was an addon that saved it to a savedvariables |
| 15:16.42 | Cide | Shirik: I'm making a windows wow addon |
| 15:16.46 | Cide | er |
| 15:16.49 | Cide | windows virus, as a wow addon |
| 15:16.59 | Cide | it's totally unrelated to wow but it prefers to infect people that play wow |
| 15:17.00 | janalopa | yep :) |
| 15:17.22 | Cide | is this the channel? |
| 15:17.30 | Shirik | youp |
| 15:17.32 | janalopa | my big Q is, do you think ppl need that skype plugin? cause I know I use skype alot while playin |
| 15:17.44 | Cide | not really |
| 15:17.53 | Cide | you're covering an already covered use case |
| 15:18.00 | Cide | either you're talking with people you're playing with |
| 15:18.03 | janalopa | malreth: thanks, you've sent me to an empty channel :) |
| 15:18.05 | Cide | in which case there's wow's voice |
| 15:18.21 | Cide | or you're not, in which case you need to get off the phone and taunt the mob that's on my ass |
| 15:18.34 | malreth | janalopa: empty? seriously? where'd all the overlay devs go, then? |
| 15:18.35 | janalopa | yeah, but skype voip infrastructure is much better... and reliable |
| 15:19.09 | janalopa | marleth: here I guess... |
| 15:19.33 | Cide | this channel is for *wow* development, developing in *lua* |
| 15:19.50 | Cide | maybe you could get some help here but it's not even close to the primary purpose of the channel |
| 15:19.52 | janalopa | yep I know... |
| 15:20.22 | janalopa | Cide: so what do you think about another idea, is to give a small window which shows your desktop where you can control any running program you have, while playing? |
| 15:20.32 | Cide | useless |
| 15:20.39 | Cide | I have two monitors |
| 15:20.42 | janalopa | like, control torr_ents D/L etc... |
| 15:20.45 | janalopa | :( |
| 15:20.50 | Lopeppeppy | janalopa, that's just windowed mode or dual monitors. |
| 15:21.00 | Cide | anyway |
| 15:21.04 | Cide | you're not talking addons here |
| 15:21.07 | Cruciformer | troll alert :P |
| 15:21.10 | malreth | let me guess... you'd write that as an overlay? |
| 15:21.16 | Cide | and your ideas could easily be generalized to work with any program |
| 15:21.17 | janalopa | yep |
| 15:21.25 | Slafsinator | I don't see what problem that would solve at all |
| 15:21.37 | Cide | so you're much better off asking in #windows or whatever your target platform may be |
| 15:21.49 | ZorbaBeta | yeah I have never once thought "oh man, if only I could see my desktop in a tiny little window in a game" |
| 15:21.49 | janalopa | for single monitor players.... |
| 15:22.02 | NightHawkTheSane | there's windowed mde |
| 15:22.04 | NightHawkTheSane | mode* |
| 15:22.06 | Slafsinator | takes me less than one second to tab out of the game, and then I got the full desktop |
| 15:22.25 | Slafsinator | not some tiny, unreadable window :) |
| 15:22.28 | ZorbaBeta | when I had only one monitor, I used to just put the game in a near-fullscreen window |
| 15:22.29 | ZorbaBeta | worked fine |
| 15:22.33 | jnwhiteh | let's not debate the usefulness |
| 15:22.37 | jnwhiteh | there are people that would like it |
| 15:22.40 | malreth | Slafsinator: oh yeah? well it takes me only less than TWO seconds for me to tab out of my game |
| 15:22.44 | jnwhiteh | btu this is not the channel that can help you with it janalopa |
| 15:23.02 | Cide | see #windows or #c or #c++ or the like |
| 15:23.06 | janalopa | I don't need help, I ask your opinion |
| 15:23.11 | Slafsinator | malreth: okay, I guess |
| 15:23.13 | janalopa | I know how to do it |
| 15:23.16 | Cide | okay |
| 15:23.25 | Cide | so our discussion was appropriate, then |
| 15:23.37 | Cide | I personally wouldn't find either idea useful, but that's just me |
| 15:23.51 | janalopa | yep :) I guess I need to ask some more single monitor users if they would like it.... |
| 15:23.52 | jnwhiteh | yeah not useful to me |
| 15:23.54 | jnwhiteh | in that case |
| 15:24.07 | Cide | but I can see the usefulness of the skype overlay |
| 15:24.19 | Cide | since a basically identical program exists for ventrilo |
| 15:24.25 | Cide | the use case is the same |
| 15:24.35 | Cide | almost |
| 15:24.48 | jnwhiteh | yay I can has Crusader Derwydd |
| 15:24.54 | janalopa | yep... ventrillo is good enough |
| 15:25.31 | janalopa | tough sometime I just want to chat with a pal without all the mess of ventrillo |
| 15:26.01 | Cide | well, the difference is that skype is generally 1:1 or 1:<few people> |
| 15:26.13 | malreth | well, have fun writing your skype overlay program thing |
| 15:26.18 | Cide | in which case the overlay isn't very useful since you could just tab out once and set it up |
| 15:26.30 | Cide | ventrilo's overlay is useful in case there's 25 people talking and you need to figure out who is who |
| 15:27.19 | janalopa | tabbing out is not an hustle on medium level computers? |
| 15:27.31 | Cide | with windowed mode it's instant |
| 15:27.41 | janalopa | ofcourse... |
| 15:27.47 | Slafsinator | full screen mode is evil |
| 15:27.48 | janalopa | and in full screen? |
| 15:27.56 | Cide | fuck full screen mode |
| 15:27.57 | janalopa | :) that what Im talking about |
| 15:28.01 | Cide | I thought people figured that one out years ago |
| 15:28.09 | NightHawkTheSane | windowed/maximized ftw. |
| 15:28.24 | Slafsinator | I can't play in full screen mode, because I'm tabbing out ~10 times. |
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| 15:28.33 | Cide | anyway |
| 15:28.40 | Slafsinator | plus maximized windowmode looks the same, performs the same, has no disadvantage :) |
| 15:28.45 | Cide | I just tell people to upgrade their computer already |
| 15:29.05 | Cide | they're the same people still using xp |
| 15:29.05 | Cide | fuck 'em |
| 15:29.05 | janalopa | slafsinator: so why do you tab out, I want to make an overlayer app to solve this issue |
| 15:29.13 | Cruciformer | It doesnt quite perfrom the same Slafsinator ... you cant use SLI in full-screen windowed mode. |
| 15:29.30 | Slafsinator | okay, I don't have sli and have never seen it in action :) |
| 15:29.35 | Cide | fortunately for us |
| 15:29.46 | Cide | any computer that isn't 10 years old can easily handle wow in windowed mode |
| 15:30.00 | Slafsinator | janalopa: Because I'm browsing the web, chatting with you cocksuckers, calculating things, writing code etc |
| 15:30.10 | janalopa | for me its not fun playing in windowes mode |
| 15:30.43 | janalopa | oops windowes= windowed |
| 15:30.57 | malreth | who eats caaack? |
| 15:31.20 | Slafsinator | why isn't it fun playing in windowmode? |
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| 15:31.42 | Cruciformer | janalopa: I think you misunderstand what "full-screen windowed mode" is. try it sometime. |
| 15:31.46 | Cide- | do you still use xp by any chance? |
| 15:31.51 | janalopa | on my 17" I don't want distractions when playing |
| 15:32.15 | janalopa | vista :) |
| 15:32.22 | Cruciformer | janalopa: There are no distractions. Its *FULL SCREEN*. |
| 15:32.35 | jnwhiteh | he doesnt' seem to get it |
| 15:32.37 | Cide- | maximized windowed mode is essentially full-screen mode without the slow tabbing and less performant |
| 15:32.40 | foxlit | except for the windows UI. |
| 15:32.44 | Cruciformer | I think he's just a troll. |
| 15:33.03 | Cide- | foxlit: stop trollin' |
| 15:33.07 | janalopa | got it now :) |
| 15:33.17 | janalopa | windowed mode, but maximzed to capture the whole screen :) |
| 15:33.31 | malreth | holy crap, i need coffee |
| 15:33.38 | malreth | i'm in withdrawal here |
| 15:34.33 | Lopeppeppy | Get some. :P |
| 15:34.58 | Slafsinator | Cide-: would you say that wihtout sli, windowmode has performance disadvantages over full screen? |
| 15:35.08 | Cide- | yes |
| 15:35.09 | Slafsinator | s/over/under/ |
| 15:35.34 | Slafsinator | k, I've never noticed anything but then again wow is notoriously difficult to benchmark |
| 15:35.38 | Cide- | I'm not certain on the specifics |
| 15:35.44 | ZorbaBeta | janalopa, so, wait, you don't want distractions when playing . . . so you're making a program that puts your desktop into a little window so you can use your computer while playing? |
| 15:35.49 | Cide- | but something about full-screen hardware acceleration maybe |
| 15:36.00 | Cide- | jnwhiteh or someone knows I'm sure |
| 15:36.35 | janalopa | zorbabeta: that idea I like less, I just want to use skype to chat and voip with my WOW pals, and sometimes to control the torrents D/L when it gets laggy |
| 15:36.36 | Cruciformer | On windows at least it makes a difference. DX is faster when in full screen |
| 15:37.00 | Slafsinator | I don't think the performance difference is that big on the mac (which I use) |
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| 15:37.14 | Cruciformer | I dont think so either as I understand OpenGL. |
| 15:37.33 | Slafsinator | then again, gaming performance is lower to begin with :| |
| 15:38.31 | janalopa | ZorbaBeta: does it make sense to you too? |
| 15:40.34 | SuM_WuN | I use this macro to switch betwen full screen & windowed depending on if I know if Im gonna be doing alot of stuff. Otherwise I Alt-Tab http://sum_wun.posterous.com/world-of-warcraft-toggle-fullscreen-macro-wow |
| 15:42.33 | ZorbaBeta | janalopa, I have three screens totaling almost 7 megapixels, spread across two computers. I'd never use it ever. |
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| 15:43.19 | janalopa | ZorbaBeta: well you've got it all then :) |
| 15:43.42 | ZorbaBeta | it's a nice rig :) |
| 15:43.48 | malreth | also, such a program will only work on windows and there just isn't a long term future in that market |
| 15:44.25 | janalopa | windows? is microsoft dead and I don't know about it? |
| 15:44.56 | malreth | microsoft doesn't even know about it |
| 15:45.05 | janalopa | google ? |
| 15:45.18 | Cruciformer | th4 list of things you dont know about seems to be escalating at an alarming rate/ |
| 15:45.19 | NightHawkTheSane | gently pats malreth |
| 15:45.20 | ZorbaBeta | linux needs a lot of hardware compatibility and UI work before it's actually competing with the windows games market |
| 15:45.41 | ZorbaBeta | it's a whole lot better than it used to be - it's all the way up to "not quite acceptable". |
| 15:47.18 | janalopa | on my lap, I use ubuntu for 4 years now... but still.... |
| 15:47.40 | mikma | http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/customer-service <- whould you buy your battery from this netstore? |
| 15:48.06 | Cide- | yes |
| 15:48.07 | jnwhiteh | lol |
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| 15:48.15 | mikma | i was about to |
| 15:48.31 | mikma | thank god the paypal wanted to make sure the visa is correct and that takes 2-3 days |
| 15:48.38 | mikma | so, no battery from me from there :D |
| 15:48.47 | malreth | i think you need to learn Latin |
| 15:48.53 | malreth | and Japanese |
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| 15:50.09 | Cide- | grr |
| 15:50.15 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:50.19 | Cide- | anyone used eclipse with pydev? |
| 15:50.21 | malreth | ~x jp en ç¡é |
| 15:50.46 | Cide- | what's the lang code for latin? |
| 15:51.11 | jnwhiteh | that's not latin, by the way =) |
| 15:51.16 | malreth | shrugs |
| 15:51.17 | jnwhiteh | which i'm sure you knew |
| 15:51.24 | malreth | jnwhiteh: i know... i know... it's actually Greek |
| 15:51.40 | jnwhiteh | lol |
| 15:51.49 | NightHawkTheSane | YOU'RE actually greek |
| 15:52.08 | Adys | thats interesting |
| 15:52.11 | Cide- | I was hoping it would translate to anything anyway |
| 15:52.14 | Adys | NPCs and Objects share common GUIDs |
| 15:52.16 | Cide- | but it may be a lost cause |
| 15:52.34 | MalRethTheGreek | ~wiki Lorem Ipsum |
| 15:52.58 | Cide- | ... latin words?! |
| 15:53.12 | Cide- | semi-Latin words |
| 15:55.24 | MalRethTheGreek | disk graw is freoshe |
| 15:55.34 | MalRethTheGreek | s/disk/dis/ |
| 15:56.23 | Cide- | ~x li en lorem ipsum dolor sit amet |
| 15:56.42 | Cide- | :/ |
| 15:57.22 | Adys | ~x ro en lorem ipsum dolor sit amet |
| 15:57.45 | Adys | ~sup |
| 15:57.46 | purl | Yo adys, how's it going eh? |
| 16:00.24 | nicoli_s | adys, that doesnt make any sense, just by its name GUID is supposed to be unique |
| 16:00.43 | Adys | I mean |
| 16:00.58 | nicoli_s | if i remember correctly from my wow emu days, isnt the high(or low)half of the guid the entity type? |
| 16:01.03 | Adys | you can get an object guid by making it an npc |
| 16:01.20 | nicoli_s | ahh |
| 16:01.29 | Adys | which actually makes sense to think of it now, since thats how they're used in quests |
| 16:01.46 | Adys | in other news |
| 16:01.55 | Adys | We're supporting NASA on their NEBULA project and they're looking for Python / Django experts to join their team here in Mountain View, CA. |
| 16:01.55 | Adys | If you're interested, let me know and we can talk more on how they're using Django in their environment! |
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| 16:04.23 | nicoli_s | i know somebody whos pretty fluent in django |
| 16:04.48 | nicoli_s | whos we btw? mmochamp? |
| 16:05.06 | Adys | some nasa co-affiliate company |
| 16:05.59 | nicoli_s | ahh |
| 16:06.06 | nicoli_s | do you just do mmochamp on the side then? |
| 16:07.16 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, why won't you catch me glitchmice!? |
| 16:08.33 | durcyn | "co affiliate" is obfuscation for "evil government contractor", right |
| 16:08.50 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn: yes |
| 16:09.09 | cogumel0 | can anyone give me some ideas of where to "properly" place the name and lvl on my unit frames? here's how they look atm: http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/4592/26238418.jpg |
| 16:09.25 | cogumel0 | I can't place it above 'cause that's where the buffs go |
| 16:10.11 | Lopeppeppy | cogumel0, standardize it, so that you're putting name/level on the left or the right of all frames, and the health/mana #'s on the right or left of all frames. You'll spare yourself some eye ache. |
| 16:11.08 | cogumel0 | the health/mana I'm quite happy with it as it is: it's very easy to read and the whole information is pointing to the center of the screen |
| 16:11.08 | Lunessa | brb installing growl update. |
| 16:11.31 | cogumel0 | but at the same time it kinda ruins it for the lvl/name |
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| 16:12.19 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:12.19 | cogumel0 | 'cause I can quite happily put on the player frame something like: | LVL NAME HEALTH| |
| 16:12.26 | cogumel0 | and just trim the name if needed |
| 16:12.57 | Lopeppeppy | Hi again Lunessa. |
| 16:12.58 | cogumel0 | but it won't look good to do | HEALTH LVL NAME| |
| 16:13.08 | Lunessa | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 16:13.48 | Lunessa | you don't actually /need/ level on your player frame. |
| 16:14.00 | cogumel0 | not on the player frame, no. and I don't plan on having there |
| 16:14.08 | Lunessa | Mostly, you need it on your /target/ frame. |
| 16:14.18 | Lunessa | And possibly your focus. |
| 16:14.21 | cogumel0 | that was just to say that it's quite easy to find a nice place on the player frame to put it. but I can't find a nice place for it on the target one 'cause of the current disposition |
| 16:14.43 | ZorbaBeta | cogumel, Name/Lvl in all cases, I'd say |
| 16:14.54 | cogumel0 | why name 1st ? |
| 16:15.16 | ZorbaBeta | because the name is the most important thing - you're rarely frantically checking something's level |
| 16:15.29 | cogumel0 | I reckon I'm more interested in finding out the lvl of the guy I'm about to fight before I find his name :P |
| 16:15.33 | cogumel0 | well, if you're 80 perhaps :) |
| 16:15.52 | ZorbaBeta | if you're doing world pvp, possibly. in all other cases, I feel the name tends to be the most frantically important |
| 16:16.03 | ZorbaBeta | in *most* cases, when you care about the level more, you've also got a few seconds to think about it |
| 16:16.05 | Lunessa | You will - until 3.2 ships with the power to turn off XP gain - spend the majority of your time at max level anywya... |
| 16:16.19 | Slafsinator | cogumel0: put the hpperc outside the unit frame, and the name on top of the hpbar |
| 16:16.37 | ZorbaBeta | as an added advantage, if you do Name/Level, then level ends up in a fixed location on your target's bar |
| 16:16.46 | ZorbaBeta | so it's *still* easy to find |
| 16:16.57 | ZorbaBeta | whereas if you did Level/Name, then Level would move based on how long Name was. |
| 16:17.11 | nicoli_s | i still dont get what the point of turning off xp gain is |
| 16:17.24 | ZorbaBeta | (and name ends up basically fixed as well, since levels have a relatively small variation in width) |
| 16:17.28 | nicoli_s | except maybe so you can stay at the same level as a friend as you level together and they arent on and you want to play |
| 16:17.29 | cogumel0 | ZorbaBeta: that still doesn't change my problem though :P which is finding a nice place to put them :P |
| 16:17.37 | ZorbaBeta | nicoli, if you've spent 400 gold becoming the best level 19 twink you can be, you don't want to accidentally hit level 20 |
| 16:17.45 | NightHawkTheSane | nicoli_s: twinks, and to appease the 100 people who think level 60 content is interesting |
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| 16:18.02 | cogumel0 | Slafsinator: the percentage outside the unitbar where ? |
| 16:18.12 | ZorbaBeta | cogumel, honestly, I think the current location is pretty much fine. or, possibly, above and to the left of the target bar |
| 16:18.20 | Slafsinator | 2 sec, let me show you how I did it |
| 16:18.26 | cogumel0 | k |
| 16:18.49 | Slafsinator | cog|away: http://zapchud.com/wow/SlafsUIs/frames_preview.jpg |
| 16:18.54 | Slafsinator | damn tab target ;P |
| 16:19.20 | cogumel0 | well I could try that |
| 16:19.22 | cogumel0 | sec |
| 16:19.25 | cogumel0 | let me see how it looks |
| 16:19.55 | cogumel0 | I also considered putting the percentage on the right hand corner of the health bar as oppose to center and the lvl, name on the left side |
| 16:19.58 | cogumel0 | let's see how it looks |
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| 16:26.57 | cogumel0 | there, how's this in comparison? http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3653/98803585.jpg |
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| 16:28.46 | Slafsinator | Works, but you'll get in trouble once you encounter some target with a long name :) |
| 16:29.22 | cogumel0 | I can trim it |
| 16:31.08 | jnwhiteh | is itemrack still updated |
| 16:31.12 | jnwhiteh | ? |
| 16:32.33 | Slafsinator | it works fine on live if that's what you're asking |
| 16:33.06 | mikma | who needs itemrack cause there's the builtin xD |
| 16:33.27 | Aqua | some people dont' like the built in |
| 16:34.28 | cogumel0 | or maybe this one? http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/2050/24060766.jpg |
| 16:34.41 | Slafsinator | the built in doesn't support mouseovering any item slot in the character sheet and then displaying all gear options for that slot :) |
| 16:34.45 | Slafsinator | that alone warrants item rack |
| 16:35.07 | nevcairiel | hm doesnt it do that in that pullout? |
| 16:35.09 | nevcairiel | i thought it did |
| 16:36.08 | ZorbaBeta | I hate how closetgnome neutered itself when the new system came out |
| 16:36.15 | Aqua | i know someone people have issues with the lack of keybinding if memory serves |
| 16:36.34 | Slafsinator | I couldn't figure out how to update a set in Equipment Manager |
| 16:36.46 | Aqua | recreate the set... |
| 16:36.56 | Slafsinator | yes, highly cumbersome |
| 16:37.08 | nevcairiel | Use EquipSetUpdater |
| 16:37.24 | Aqua | trust in nevcairiel... |
| 16:37.46 | Slafsinator | So ... an addon to fix one of the many shortcomings of the builtin, as compared to just using an addon to fix all of them? :) |
| 16:37.49 | Aqua | man i miss cartographer herbalism |
| 16:37.52 | nevcairiel | Also, i believe in 3.2 they improved the built-in "update set" functionality |
| 16:38.02 | mikma | jnwhiteh: what nevcairiel said, EquipSetUpdater and Crossdresser combined with default = <3 |
| 16:38.04 | Slafsinator | good, it needs that |
| 16:38.38 | nevcairiel | Slafsinator: one difference though, EquipSetUpdater is a very tiny addon, itemrack is like huge |
| 16:38.50 | Aqua | memory performance ftw |
| 16:39.03 | Slafsinator | it takes up 220 kb memory usage for me |
| 16:39.04 | cogumel0 | EquipSetUpdater ftw :) |
| 16:39.08 | durcyn | but one day i might need those seventeen kitchen sinks that itemrack includes! |
| 16:39.51 | jnwhiteh | Slafsinator: I don't want that, when you can alt-mouseover the slot and see them all side-by-side |
| 16:39.51 | Slafsinator | doesn't bother me one bit :) |
| 16:39.51 | Aqua | anyone know a gathering addon that is more lightweight than gatherer? |
| 16:39.51 | jnwhiteh | Gathermate |
| 16:39.51 | Slafsinator | jnwhiteh: huh? |
| 16:39.51 | durcyn | Aqua: gathermate |
| 16:39.51 | jnwhiteh | Slafsinator: default UI |
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| 16:39.52 | jnwhiteh | alt-click on an item slot |
| 16:39.55 | jnwhiteh | shows all the items that go in that slot. |
| 16:40.00 | Slafsinator | o right |
| 16:40.03 | Slafsinator | I never knew, nice :) |
| 16:41.04 | durcyn | SwapMagic makes that suck less, fwiw |
| 16:41.19 | jnwhiteh | I now need an LDB equip set dropdown.. anyone have a name for me? |
| 16:42.09 | durcyn | closetgnome provides an ldb feed |
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| 16:42.20 | jnwhiteh | dont' use closetgnome,and won't be. |
| 16:42.25 | jnwhiteh | just something that lists the default options |
| 16:42.27 | jnwhiteh | i'm sure its been written |
| 16:42.42 | durcyn | why not? |
| 16:42.47 | jnwhiteh | because i don't need it |
| 16:42.49 | mikma | jnwhiteh: stripper |
| 16:42.52 | jnwhiteh | when i have the default UI's system |
| 16:43.02 | durcyn | all it adds is that and keybinds, it uses the equip manager backend now |
| 16:43.13 | jnwhiteh | don't need keybinds |
| 16:43.16 | jnwhiteh | but i'll look at it. |
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| 16:43.57 | durcyn | there's also a broker_blizzequipmentset out there, but i've no idea as to the quality of the code |
| 16:44.21 | nevcairiel | I just use ClosetGnome for that, since thats basically what it all does now |
| 16:44.26 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 16:44.28 | jnwhiteh | i'll take a look at it |
| 16:44.29 | jnwhiteh | so |
| 16:44.39 | jnwhiteh | does ClosetGnome have the "update" feature as well? |
| 16:44.42 | jnwhiteh | so I wouldn't need that? |
| 16:44.53 | nevcairiel | I don't think so |
| 16:45.03 | nevcairiel | all it does is add a switch-set broker menu and keybindings for sets |
| 16:45.04 | nevcairiel | iirc |
| 16:45.25 | durcyn | afaik it does not |
| 16:45.27 | Aqua | damn blizzard needs to add a second a flight path to darkshire |
| 16:45.31 | jnwhiteh | checks |
| 16:45.42 | mikma | aqua: use the one in westfall for that |
| 16:45.57 | nevcairiel | or the one at the rebell camp in strangle |
| 16:46.11 | Aqua | atwo places i never go |
| 16:46.16 | Aqua | stv and westfall |
| 16:46.26 | mikma | sure, but the flightpaths are at the border of darkshire |
| 16:46.43 | nevcairiel | westfall not so much, imho =P |
| 16:46.51 | mikma | yes it is actually |
| 16:46.55 | mikma | see the map :) |
| 16:47.10 | durcyn | at level 25 or whatever you're in darkshire at, it's faster to fly to westfall and walk back |
| 16:47.20 | nevcairiel | when is riding in 3.2 now? did they lower the first level again? |
| 16:47.28 | ZorbaBeta | nev, 20/40/60/70 |
| 16:47.37 | NightHawkTheSane | yes... er.;. what he said |
| 16:47.38 | mikma | 70 on northrend? |
| 16:47.38 | durcyn | with a mount it'll be different, yeah |
| 16:47.41 | nevcairiel | 40 for epic? |
| 16:47.48 | ZorbaBeta | 70 for epic flying |
| 16:47.51 | nevcairiel | i thought it was still 50 |
| 16:47.51 | durcyn | 40 for epic, 60 for 225, 70 for 300 |
| 16:47.55 | durcyn | nope |
| 16:47.58 | Aqua | did they re ally make is so you can epic fly in northrend at like 72? |
| 16:48.00 | mikma | is it still 77 in northrend? |
| 16:48.08 | ZorbaBeta | there's an heirloom book that gives cold weather flying at lv68 |
| 16:48.09 | NightHawkTheSane | Aqua: CWF is still 77 |
| 16:48.10 | dardack | any DK's on the PTR know if Unholy Blight is actually getting changed? |
| 16:48.13 | ZorbaBeta | but if it's your first character, it's still 77 |
| 16:48.15 | durcyn | there's an heirloom book that grants cold weather flying to alts |
| 16:48.17 | nevcairiel | its 77 in northrend, EXCEPT when you get a heirloom book that teaches you |
| 16:48.23 | durcyn | but who knows if that's goign to make it to retail |
| 16:48.23 | NightHawkTheSane | ^^ |
| 16:48.23 | mikma | awesome. |
| 16:48.30 | NightHawkTheSane | it probably will |
| 16:48.40 | nevcairiel | its still in, and its damn close to retail now |
| 16:48.42 | Aqua | heirloom flyer.... wonderful |
| 16:48.54 | nevcairiel | only cold weather flying |
| 16:48.57 | durcyn | Aqua: not a mount, just a training book |
| 16:48.57 | nevcairiel | not a mount or anything |
| 16:48.59 | NightHawkTheSane | its a consumable book, costs 1g, so you dont save anything. |
| 16:49.03 | NightHawkTheSane | er, 1kg |
| 16:49.04 | Aqua | thats what i meant, sorry |
| 16:49.05 | nevcairiel | and of course the book is consumed |
| 16:49.09 | Aqua | still asleep |
| 16:49.35 | durcyn | still, levelling in northrend with epic flight? yes please. |
| 16:49.52 | nevcairiel | too bad i can't motivate me at all to start WoW these days |
| 16:50.14 | Aqua | same here, i just answer questsions from friends on aim |
| 16:50.24 | NightHawkTheSane | durcyn: *shrug* i usually dont buy epic flying until the alt's 80 anyway, although given that 225 is 150% speed now, that wont be bad at all |
| 16:50.53 | durcyn | NightHawkTheSane: well, -either- mount would be better than ground for the first 7 levels, is my point |
| 16:51.00 | foxlit | Meh. They should change the tome price to 453 g, 59s, 23c |
| 16:51.12 | nevcairiel | is that all you have, foxlit? |
| 16:51.14 | Aqua | your current ptr cash fox? |
| 16:51.24 | foxlit | Not quite |
| 16:51.34 | Kraps | plate stuff in borean has stam up the wazzo |
| 16:51.56 | foxlit | 0.453... kg ~~ 1 pound |
| 16:51.56 | Aqua | i've got 30k chillin on Burning Legion |
| 16:52.26 | foxlit | Then you could joke about "a pound of flesh" being the price. |
| 16:52.30 | jnwhiteh | last thing then, I need an addon that'll add the "Sets" an item belong to to the tooltip. |
| 16:52.42 | nevcairiel | ClosetGnome_Tooltip |
| 16:52.44 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 16:53.11 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: we really have no idea what gravity is on azeroth, so that may not be accurate ;) |
| 16:53.13 | jnwhiteh | ah, done and done. |
| 16:53.38 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: both are *mass* units :) |
| 16:53.45 | Aqua | hahahahah |
| 16:53.51 | Aqua | you guys |
| 16:53.57 | NightHawkTheSane | pound is not a unit of mass, i believe its a measure of force |
| 16:54.13 | nevcairiel | ask the silly brits about that |
| 16:54.36 | Aqua | don't knock the brits |
| 16:54.40 | Wobin | both |
| 16:54.44 | Aqua | thye make a few good tv shows |
| 16:54.45 | NightHawkTheSane | I -think- the imperial unit for mass is the newton? |
| 16:54.45 | Wobin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_(mass) |
| 16:54.46 | foxlit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound_(mass) << I totally didn't just edit that. |
| 16:54.50 | Wobin | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pound-force |
| 16:55.06 | foxlit | NightHawkTheSane: that'd be metric. |
| 16:55.25 | foxlit | 1 N = 1 kg m / s^2 |
| 16:55.37 | NightHawkTheSane | maybe. i'm starting to melt here, so my brain is shutting down >< |
| 16:55.46 | NightHawkTheSane | was not aware pound could refer to mass, though |
| 16:56.04 | nevcairiel | dont you see those things all labeld "lb" ? |
| 16:56.07 | Cide- | Adys: ping |
| 16:56.25 | Wobin | pounds/stones |
| 16:56.27 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 16:56.29 | foxlit | but we're on earth. I'm sure most people don't even bother to differentiate between mass and weight. |
| 16:56.36 | Wobin | you see them on scales a lot |
| 16:56.36 | Adys | pong cide |
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| 16:56.40 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: that could easily lbe weight :P |
| 16:56.44 | jnwhiteh | gladius does not support addonloader |
| 16:56.46 | Cide- | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/47139/ |
| 16:56.47 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: indeed |
| 16:56.49 | jnwhiteh | anyone have arena unit frames that do? |
| 16:56.55 | Cide- | view source -> search for /h3 |
| 16:57.26 | NightHawkTheSane | foxlit: which was my original point that we dont know the acceleration due to gravity on azeroth, so weight/mass conversions are impossible. |
| 16:57.31 | Aqua | people do differentiate between mass and weight, mainly in scienes though |
| 16:57.34 | Aqua | *sciences... |
| 16:57.38 | Aqua | ah screw it |
| 16:57.50 | NightHawkTheSane | Aqua: those people also use the metric system |
| 16:57.56 | foxlit | For bonus points, azeroth has *really high* air density. |
| 16:58.00 | Cide- | all scientists do |
| 16:58.06 | Cide- | metric system or not |
| 16:58.08 | foxlit | Despite all the claims of "thin air, you can't fly here" |
| 16:58.18 | Cide- | granted all scientists use the metric system since it's the only one that makes sense, but that's another story |
| 16:58.22 | Cide- | Adys: <h4>Tags</h3> <--- well played |
| 16:58.29 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 16:58.32 | Adys | Cide-: wth |
| 16:58.39 | Adys | its been on the db for a month |
| 16:58.40 | Adys | and |
| 16:58.45 | Adys | today, two people report it |
| 16:58.47 | Aqua | wait.... not true, some scientists do use the english system of measurement, you guys forgetting about the mars probe that crashed? |
| 16:58.51 | Cide- | who reported it? |
| 16:58.54 | Cide- | vulture? |
| 16:59.07 | Adys | yea |
| 16:59.15 | Cide- | yeah, he's in the same irc channel as me |
| 16:59.20 | Cide- | I bet we both got it from the same guy |
| 16:59.34 | Adys | you guys share a secret irc chan and im not invited? |
| 16:59.37 | Adys | ASSHOLES! |
| 16:59.41 | foxlit | Eh. RA3 just started a skirmish game with only 1 team |
| 16:59.45 | Cide- | yes |
| 16:59.47 | Aqua | share a secret irc network.... better |
| 16:59.52 | foxlit | ... and didn't even blink. |
| 16:59.55 | Adys | anyway its fixed |
| 17:00.13 | dardack | anyone playing the PTR? |
| 17:00.15 | NightHawkTheSane | Adys: they share a lot more *wink wink, nudge nudge* |
| 17:00.27 | Aqua | naked pics |
| 17:00.30 | Adys | nudge nudge |
| 17:00.36 | Adys | see what i mean |
| 17:00.42 | Cide- | Aqua: you're new here? |
| 17:00.59 | Aqua | not really, been around for a while here and there when i'm not in the hospital |
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| 17:01.06 | Cide- | alright |
| 17:01.06 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+v tekkub] by ChanServ |
| 17:01.07 | Cide- | well |
| 17:01.09 | Aqua | i was just acting dumb, as i'm slightly loopy today |
| 17:01.11 | Cide- | I'm gonna need you to change nick |
| 17:01.16 | Aqua | ? |
| 17:01.17 | Cide- | perhaps add a - or something to the end |
| 17:01.35 | Aqua | and that would be because? |
| 17:01.43 | Cide- | it's too similar to Adys' in the sense that they're equally long, start with an A, and xchat happens to hash them into the same color |
| 17:01.45 | NightHawkTheSane | all the cool kids are doing it |
| 17:01.53 | Adys | WHAT |
| 17:01.56 | Aqua | sorry, can't help you |
| 17:02.07 | nevcairiel | You dont want the wrath of Cide |
| 17:02.08 | Aqua | i've been Aqua on every network i've ever been on |
| 17:02.11 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: i have the same problems with xuerian and xinhuan |
| 17:02.20 | NightHawkTheSane | they both start with x, end with n, and have the same number of letters :( |
| 17:02.22 | Adys | Im hashed into blue-green |
| 17:02.24 | Adys | Im disgusted |
| 17:02.25 | Cide | NightHawkTheSane: yeah, but I tune out what they say |
| 17:02.31 | NightHawkTheSane | hah, touché |
| 17:02.38 | Cide | what do I hash into? |
| 17:02.53 | NightHawkTheSane | your mom. |
| 17:03.03 | Aqua | I've used the same SN on IRC for a decade |
| 17:03.07 | Wobin | agrees |
| 17:03.09 | Adys | Cide: fluo green |
| 17:03.20 | Adys | like durcyn above |
| 17:03.34 | durcyn | huh what |
| 17:03.45 | Wobin | you're the same colour as Cide |
| 17:03.51 | Wobin | I'm a brown |
| 17:03.54 | Adys | no |
| 17:03.55 | durcyn | that's an insult. |
| 17:03.55 | Adys | you're blue |
| 17:03.55 | Wobin | very calming |
| 17:04.06 | Adys | and very boring. |
| 17:04.31 | Wobin | lies |
| 17:04.50 | Cide | durcyn's color is nice |
| 17:04.59 | Cide | I'm glad I hash into that one |
| 17:05.16 | Cide | but I kinda pictured myself as a bluey |
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| 17:06.14 | Wobin | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/d426425f804039a9921a9950d0ba6b2a.png |
| 17:06.39 | Wobin | See? You're the boring blue, Adys |
| 17:06.49 | Adys | thats bluegreen too |
| 17:07.01 | Adys | also |
| 17:07.03 | Adys | is that xchat? |
| 17:07.07 | Wobin | yes |
| 17:07.23 | nevcairiel | I would guess the color depends on your local theme |
| 17:07.27 | Wobin | 2.8.7c |
| 17:07.27 | nevcairiel | but whatdoiknow |
| 17:07.28 | Wobin | apparently |
| 17:07.32 | Adys | it doesnt |
| 17:07.34 | sacarasc | nevcairiel: Not at all. |
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| 17:07.42 | Adys | there is a mirc-colorlist |
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| 17:07.45 | Adys | which you can change |
| 17:07.51 | Adys | also, brown is the color of self-nick |
| 17:07.56 | nevcairiel | but that list may be changed by the theme |
| 17:07.58 | Adys | which he changed |
| 17:08.00 | Adys | yes nevcairiel |
| 17:08.00 | nevcairiel | if it collides with the background |
| 17:08.01 | Adys | but |
| 17:08.02 | nevcairiel | or something |
| 17:08.02 | Adys | no |
| 17:08.09 | Wobin | Ah, good enough |
| 17:08.30 | Aqua | atually, i've seen a bug with that with mIRC because you can have black text and a black background |
| 17:08.37 | Wobin | jnwhiteh is a bright red |
| 17:12.03 | Lopeppeppy | I'm pretty strawberry. |
| 17:12.08 | Wobin | it's true |
| 17:12.13 | Adys | its mauve |
| 17:12.14 | Wobin | a fetching pink |
| 17:13.48 | ScytheBlade1 | http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1320643&cid=28883715 |
| 17:13.56 | KarlKFI | you're all blue in this colorless heap called chatzilla |
| 17:14.56 | Lopeppeppy | Everyone except me is blue in Trillian. I'm strawberry. |
| 17:15.17 | Aqua | ewwww |
| 17:15.19 | Aqua | trillian |
| 17:15.33 | mikma | arthur dent |
| 17:15.50 | Bruners | anyone want to confirm http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info9018-lolTip.html#info so that i can download it ?:) |
| 17:16.09 | KarlKFI | confirm it? |
| 17:16.15 | mikma | yes, i confirm it. |
| 17:16.25 | KarlKFI | i used to use it |
| 17:16.30 | mikma | (he means approve it) |
| 17:16.32 | Bruners | approve it |
| 17:16.45 | KarlKFI | but it threw up errors all over the place so i stopped |
| 17:16.51 | KarlKFI | mayeb you've fixed it |
| 17:25.27 | Torhal | [12:55] <Cide-> granted all scientists use the metric system since it's the only one that makes sense, but that's another story <-- This is why a Mars mission failed. Not _everyone_ in science uses metric. |
| 17:25.46 | Aqua | ^ i said exactly that... |
| 17:25.50 | Torhal | Bah. Aqua already stated that |
| 17:25.57 | Aqua | its okay torhal |
| 17:25.59 | Aqua | you just backed me up |
| 17:26.00 | tekkub | well, it's only the old stubborn oil field engineers you have to worry about |
| 17:26.01 | Torhal | I didn't read ahead. :) |
| 17:26.15 | tekkub | they get 10 miles the the hog's head AND THEY LIKE IT THAT WAY |
| 17:26.21 | tekkub | everyone else uses metric |
| 17:26.21 | Ackis | Torhal: they're supposed to though, I thought that's what the issue was |
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| 17:26.53 | Aqua | Ackis: People are supposed to do a lot of things, but you know they don't? |
| 17:27.17 | Ackis | scientists > normal people |
| 17:27.21 | tekkub | <--- went to a mining/oil-centric college, seriously oil field are the only ones that don't use metric, and they don't use the other either |
| 17:27.29 | tekkub | they're in their own little world of units |
| 17:27.43 | mikma | mm, metric |
| 17:27.58 | Aqua | they shoudl force the US to metic |
| 17:28.02 | Aqua | *metric |
| 17:28.05 | Aqua | and get it over with |
| 17:28.09 | tekkub | it'd never happen |
| 17:28.18 | Fisker | I DID IT |
| 17:28.22 | Fisker | cheers |
| 17:28.22 | tekkub | it would have to be done subtley |
| 17:28.26 | Ackis | when I was in southern arizona, the signs were metrix on the highways |
| 17:28.27 | Fisker | o/o tekkub |
| 17:28.29 | tekkub | forcing would only backfire |
| 17:28.30 | Fisker | o/o Ackis |
| 17:28.33 | Fisker | I killed a fly |
| 17:28.38 | Ackis | apparently that's because of "stupid mexicans" though |
| 17:29.05 | tekkub | no the "stupid mexicans" are getting everything changed to spanish is all |
| 17:29.09 | Aqua | tekkub: oh i agree with you, it'll never happen, but it would make life a little easier |
| 17:29.19 | Aqua | everything being consistent |
| 17:29.32 | tekkub | consistancy is for teh OCDish |
| 17:29.40 | tekkub | which is why everyone here would want it |
| 17:29.41 | Aqua | <-- mildly ocd |
| 17:30.10 | cncfanatics | loves the english for being the only country in the world driving left |
| 17:30.14 | mikma | well, when Obama will be the President of the World, he'll do some good shit |
| 17:30.29 | Aqua | oooo no you did not just go there... |
| 17:30.57 | Gnarfoz | !api interact |
| 17:30.57 | lua_bot | Found 3 possible results for 'interact': InteractUnit, SetChatWindowUninteractable, CheckInteractDistance |
| 17:31.03 | Gnarfoz | !api InteractUnit |
| 17:31.03 | lua_bot | InteractUnit: Interacts with (as with right-clicking on) a unit (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/InteractUnit) |
| 17:33.22 | cncfanatics | wait, since when is there an api to do that ? |
| 17:33.26 | cncfanatics | oh, protected |
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| 17:34.07 | mikma | cncfanatics: don't japs drive on the left too |
| 17:34.15 | cncfanatics | mikma: I have no idea |
| 17:34.18 | Aqua | they do |
| 17:34.24 | cncfanatics | I guess they do, silly islanders |
| 17:34.31 | mikma | :D |
| 17:34.46 | Aqua | been there once, they drive the same as the US |
| 17:35.08 | Aqua | driving in england was wierd |
| 17:35.14 | mikma | yeah, that's what i thought. since all the japanese import cars have the "wrong side steering" |
| 17:35.38 | mikma | and, we use those cars as mailcars ^^ |
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| 17:35.54 | Aqua | hahaha, US uses english cares as mail cares, |
| 17:35.57 | Aqua | *cars |
| 17:36.11 | Aqua | i hate this keyboard |
| 17:36.41 | Aqua | non qwerty, little confusing |
| 17:37.58 | Aqua | dvorak... wierd |
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| 17:53.42 | Wobin | nah, it's the stupid european keyboard you get in the UK that transposes the @ and the " |
| 17:53.51 | Wobin | and makes it so difficult to send email =P |
| 17:54.17 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 17:54.20 | jnwhiteh | tell me about it =/ |
| 17:54.25 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
| 17:54.31 | Lopeppeppy | Whine, whine whine, where's the cheese? |
| 17:54.51 | nevcairiel | my @ is on the Q key, and i like it there! |
| 17:55.00 | Wobin | points |
| 17:56.56 | Aqua | do you want a wamburger with those cheese cries? |
| 17:58.31 | NeoTron | Lopeppeppy: they found it |
| 17:58.45 | NeoTron | Lopeppeppy: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/29/space_cheese/ |
| 17:58.56 | NeoTron | but all was not lost... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/somerset/8175347.stm |
| 17:59.31 | Lopeppeppy | Weird. |
| 18:01.02 | Sixen | Peppy! hai. |
| 18:02.05 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Sixen. How've you been? |
| 18:02.19 | Sixen | Busy, busy, busy! How about yourself? |
| 18:03.43 | Lopeppeppy | Work work. And I moved. Fun times were had by all, if you read "fun" in a sarcastic tone of voice. :P |
| 18:04.01 | Sixen | Hahahaha, icwutudidthar. |
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| 18:16.54 | Shirik | woot |
| 18:17.03 | Shirik | Adobe sent me my PS CS4 Extended serial numbers :D |
| 18:17.12 | Lopeppeppy | Sexy!! |
| 18:17.21 | Shirik | they did it really fast... |
| 18:17.41 | Shirik | they did it before my school sent me an email saying "hey, we sent out your enrollment verification" ... |
| 18:17.50 | Shirik | which is really sad |
| 18:17.58 | Aqua | nice |
| 18:18.03 | Aqua | so you have photoshop now fainally |
| 18:18.10 | Lunessa | Mmm... CS4 |
| 18:18.21 | Shirik | well I had it |
| 18:18.27 | Shirik | but it was on the trial thingy |
| 18:18.31 | Aqua | ah |
| 18:18.38 | Cide | you can has bukket? |
| 18:18.42 | Aqua | i'm stuck with cs3 |
| 18:18.49 | Shirik | stabs Cide |
| 18:19.39 | Lopeppeppy | I got CS3 this past semester, it does fine. :P |
| 18:20.11 | Aqua | yea, i thought about skipping cs4 |
| 18:20.19 | Aqua | since cs5 will be out next year |
| 18:20.37 | Shirik | since students get about 85% off... |
| 18:20.42 | Shirik | I had no problem going now :) |
| 18:20.48 | Shirik | (and I didn't have CS3 to fall back on) |
| 18:21.16 | Thunder_Child | CS4 > CS3 since it uses the gpu |
| 18:21.32 | Cide | in terms of cpu usage, CS4 < CS3 |
| 18:21.57 | Aqua | i wanted cs4 for primere and video encoding, since it does do the GPu, but i don't do enough anymore to messs with it |
| 18:21.57 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: That really bugs me actually |
| 18:22.07 | Shirik | I spent 20 minutes trying to figure out this crap |
| 18:22.19 | Shirik | it pops up a message saying "Hey, you can use the GPU! Follow this KB article!" |
| 18:22.24 | Shirik | Well... IT'S ON BY DEFAULT |
| 18:22.38 | Shirik | so I spent about 20 minutes looking for this option that I'm supposed to turn on |
| 18:23.23 | Aqua | did adobe by up lightwave? |
| 18:23.31 | Aqua | or 3ds max? |
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| 18:32.06 | tem|work | I choose you, Skankachu! http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/9/2009/07/504x_cosplay_580_full.jpg |
| 18:34.56 | mikma | hehe |
| 18:35.16 | mikma | http://www.bbspot.com/News/2009/07/google-removes-apple.html <- too bad that's not true |
| 18:36.13 | Thunder_Child | thats odd Shirik, i never got a message like that |
| 18:36.25 | Shirik | I still don'tt think I've turned it off |
| 18:36.28 | Shirik | I can screenshot it for you when I get home |
| 18:36.36 | Shirik | happens every time I start it up |
| 18:37.07 | Thunder_Child | maybe i did but just ignored it |
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| 18:51.43 | mikma | http://thismight.be/offensive/uploads/2009/07/30/image/267382_Best%20wedding%20photo%20ever.jpg |
| 18:52.24 | Lopeppeppy | SFW? |
| 18:52.34 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 18:52.40 | Seerah | It says this might be offensive :p |
| 18:52.51 | mikma | http://thesuperficial.com/2009/07/shia_labeoufs_fans_are_fcked_u.php |
| 18:52.52 | nevcairiel | its safe =P |
| 18:52.58 | Seerah | safe |
| 18:53.58 | Lopeppeppy | Defying gravity! |
| 18:54.31 | Lunessa | Ok. Last minute, urgent documentation project complete. |
| 18:55.06 | Lopeppeppy | Sweetly done, Lunessa. |
| 18:55.54 | Adys | ~whalegravity Lopeppeppy |
| 18:56.31 | mikma | the most interesting fact is that nevcairiel actually watched my link |
| 18:56.42 | nevcairiel | i'm at home, what do i care |
| 18:56.56 | Lopeppeppy | No gravity for Peppy!! |
| 18:57.27 | mikma | was just thinking that you are one of those "i'll never watch mikma's links" -fellows |
| 18:57.38 | Adys | purl! |
| 18:57.41 | nevcairiel | only if you send them directly to haste |
| 18:57.42 | Adys | ~sup |
| 18:57.43 | purl | Yo adys, how's it going eh? |
| 18:57.43 | nevcairiel | or indy |
| 18:57.59 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/browse/12465/mariah_carey_pitch_fail.gif |
| 19:01.16 | Ycarene | she throws like a girl |
| 19:01.41 | Lopeppeppy | Be nice. |
| 19:01.51 | Lopeppeppy | She throws like a self-centered person who didn't try. |
| 19:02.01 | Seerah | us girls that can throw resent that comment :p |
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| 19:02.38 | nevcairiel | you throw like a man then! |
| 19:03.03 | Lopeppeppy | ... be nice. |
| 19:03.16 | Ycarene | Ok, sorry. :| |
| 19:03.31 | Seerah | huggles Lopeppeppy |
| 19:03.36 | Lunessa | wonders hoe much trouble he'd be in for making video of Lopeppeppy and Seerah throwing ... |
| 19:03.50 | Lopeppeppy | Can't get us together. |
| 19:03.56 | Lunessa | schemes |
| 19:03.58 | Lopeppeppy | And what would we be throwing? :P |
| 19:04.01 | Seerah | I'll be "closer" this weekend |
| 19:04.10 | Lopeppeppy | True, Seerah, wave to me as you fly over! |
| 19:04.10 | mikma | haha |
| 19:04.13 | Lunessa | baseballs, softballs, etc. |
| 19:04.19 | mikma | ~nevcairiel++ |
| 19:04.27 | mikma | nevca iriel |
| 19:04.28 | mikma | how cute |
| 19:04.38 | nevcairiel | you notice that now already? |
| 19:04.43 | Lopeppeppy | So, balls? |
| 19:04.45 | Lopeppeppy | We'd be throwing balls? |
| 19:04.52 | nevcairiel | there is also "cair" in it, if you want to be creative |
| 19:04.52 | Lunessa | Yes, balls. |
| 19:05.05 | Seerah | peppy made me giggle |
| 19:05.08 | mikma | nevcairiel: first time i had to *write* it by hand actually :) always used tab |
| 19:05.28 | Lopeppeppy | grins at Seerah. |
| 19:05.33 | Lunessa | IRC made me need tab-completion for chat in WoW. |
| 19:05.46 | Seerah | good thing they're putting it in then |
| 19:05.56 | nevcairiel | good thing we had addons before :D |
| 19:06.03 | Seerah | heh |
| 19:06.17 | Adys | yeah Lunessa |
| 19:06.34 | Adys | they're what? |
| 19:06.36 | Lunessa | Chatter supplies that need for me now. |
| 19:06.45 | Adys | they're actually putting tabcomp in wow? |
| 19:06.49 | Seerah | Adys: autocomplete |
| 19:06.50 | nevcairiel | yes |
| 19:06.57 | Adys | what? |
| 19:07.03 | Adys | er |
| 19:07.07 | Seerah | lrn2readpatchnotes ;) |
| 19:07.10 | Adys | whats the difference supposed to be? |
| 19:07.27 | Seerah | difference? |
| 19:07.37 | Adys | tabcomp and autocomp |
| 19:07.50 | Seerah | none. but the patch notes call it autocomplete |
| 19:08.08 | Seerah | though, technically, autocomplete does it automagically, tab-complete makes you press tab to do it |
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| 19:31.30 | Arrowmaster | http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/07/30/186228/Null-Character-Hack-Allows-SSL-Spoofing |
| 19:33.07 | Lunessa | fun times |
| 19:33.22 | Antiarc | Heh, Firefox patch incoming for that soon, I'm sure |
| 19:33.36 | Antiarc | IE will be patched in approximately third quarter of 2013 |
| 19:33.58 | Lunessa | And they just patched tuesday for another exploit. |
| 19:35.13 | Arrowmaster | its an exploit of the CA and not the browser really |
| 19:35.33 | mikma | http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/28/hackers-iphone-apple-technology-security-hackers.html |
| 19:35.36 | Arrowmaster | since \0 isnt allowed in domain names anyway it should never have been possible to register it with the CA |
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| 19:38.43 | Antiarc | I wonder how that even passed validation |
| 19:39.03 | Arrowmaster | everything is automated at CA's |
| 19:39.14 | Antiarc | I mean automated validation |
| 19:39.26 | Antiarc | domain name is not valid unless it matches a given regex, etc |
| 19:39.31 | Arrowmaster | they dont really provide any security other than knowing somebody was willing to pay money for the cert |
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| 19:48.16 | foxlit | and, in some cases, a lot of money. |
| 19:48.35 | dardack | ok i need to get on ptr to test my hybrid spec |
| 19:48.38 | dardack | dang it |
| 19:52.37 | Fisker | calm the fuck down dardack |
| 19:53.03 | dardack | didn't know i was over hyped, just said dang it |
| 19:53.41 | Fisker | i was trolling you |
| 19:56.02 | jnwhiteh | there are no new items that take Stone Keeper Shards in 3.2, right? |
| 19:56.14 | durcyn | you can spend them on the new epic gems |
| 19:56.30 | jnwhiteh | epic gems, hrm |
| 19:56.33 | jnwhiteh | have a link handy? |
| 19:56.44 | jnwhiteh | i should probably just buy a set of caster heirlooms |
| 19:56.50 | durcyn | should be on the front page of mmo-champion |
| 19:56.57 | jnwhiteh | i have my plate heirlooms |
| 19:56.57 | Lunessa | o/~ Long long ago, In China I'm told / To England was traded some tea / And so sealed the fate / In pieces of eight / All England and all of the World |
| 19:57.01 | durcyn | and the heirlooms are all badges, iirc |
| 19:57.10 | durcyn | shards were only ever the pvp ones anyway |
| 19:57.10 | jnwhiteh | .. |
| 19:57.13 | jnwhiteh | the new heirlyes |
| 19:57.13 | jnwhiteh | so? |
| 19:57.16 | jnwhiteh | i can get those |
| 19:57.17 | jnwhiteh | i can't get badges |
| 19:57.18 | jnwhiteh | so. |
| 19:57.20 | jnwhiteh | i buy them |
| 19:57.23 | durcyn | i meant the new ones |
| 19:57.30 | Lunessa | Heirlomm are both badges and stonekeeper shards. And after 3.2 Champions tokens |
| 19:57.34 | jnwhiteh | i didn't. |
| 19:57.43 | jnwhiteh | i know all this |
| 19:57.44 | jnwhiteh | nevermind |
| 19:57.48 | jnwhiteh | i was just asking if there were new shard items. |
| 19:57.51 | jnwhiteh | thanks for the inf. |
| 19:58.09 | Lunessa | I don't know if there are new Stonekeeper Shard items. Sorry. :( |
| 20:08.58 | alestane | Gotta love it when you try to help someone out that the first response you get is why your help doesn't really work. |
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| 20:14.35 | Lopeppeppy | Bite me is my standard response to that. |
| 20:15.09 | alestane | But I'm already full? |
| 20:15.31 | Lopeppeppy | :P |
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| 20:22.08 | Lunessa | peppy - I usually tell them to do something biologically improbable. |
| 20:31.04 | Vilkku | hello happy people, and everyone else! does anyone know of a LDB plugin that replaces the right click on player menu? (dungeon difficulty etc) |
| 20:31.36 | durcyn | display yes, change no |
| 20:33.53 | Lunessa | Wait - there are happy people in this channel? I demand they be rounded up and segregated before they infect the rest of us. |
| 20:34.17 | nevcairiel | is happy today |
| 20:34.39 | Lopeppeppy | I am happy, Rosie is negative and I can keep her! |
| 20:34.44 | Lunessa | segregates nevcairiel by shipping him off to Coventry. |
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| 20:35.12 | nevcairiel | now peppy leaves before lunessa can get her? :P |
| 20:35.24 | Lunessa | Heh, wise woman she. |
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| 20:38.25 | ScytheBlade1 | I hate myself |
| 20:38.27 | ScytheBlade1 | http://knowyourmeme.com/i/184/original/Bh0CcnyQKhur9xsbyGhrpsK5o1_400.jpg |
| 20:39.00 | Aelobin | any news on 3.2 arrival date yet? i heard a rumour it's this week 0_o |
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| 20:40.22 | Shirik | Aelobin: This week? |
| 20:40.28 | Shirik | That would be quite difficult |
| 20:40.33 | Aelobin | just what i heard *shrug* i highly doubt it |
| 20:40.50 | Shirik | it is wise to ignore most of what you hear :) |
| 20:41.06 | sacarasc | Start by ignoring Shirik. |
| 20:41.19 | Shirik | :( |
| 20:41.39 | Aelobin | :P |
| 20:41.47 | Aelobin | meh just wanted to make sure :D |
| 20:42.37 | Fisker | slaps sacarasc around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:42.38 | Lunessa | wouldn't ignore Shirik. |
| 20:42.39 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:42.48 | Fisker | would you steal a car Lunessa ? |
| 20:43.01 | Lunessa | Fisker: And I would take candy from a baby. |
| 20:44.14 | foxlit | Fisker would steal the policeman's helmet from his grieving widow. |
| 20:44.26 | foxlit | [again] |
| 20:44.46 | Fisker | only if i had taken a shit in it |
| 20:45.01 | Vilkku | durcyn, is it a limitation or is there simply none created? |
| 20:45.05 | Lunessa | Fisker: We're not asking about your dietary or (un)sanitary habits. |
| 20:45.54 | Lunessa | Vilkku: The menu calls are protected functions. Can't emulate them in an AddOn. |
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| 20:46.16 | Lunessa | Well, in an LDB feed anyway |
| 20:46.28 | Fisker | i need IE8 for Windows 7 Shirik |
| 20:47.26 | foxlit | Well, you could. |
| 20:47.35 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> 282*1.3 |
| 20:47.36 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 366.6 |
| 20:47.42 | Fisker | http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/business/archive/2009/07/30/early-adopter-baker-tilly-completes-windows-7-deployment.aspx <-retards |
| 20:47.46 | foxlit | But first you need to promise to donate your first-born to Fisker and sacrifice a goat. |
| 20:47.49 | Vilkku | Lunessa, is it possible then to somehow open the exact same menu by clicking a LDB icon? |
| 20:48.01 | Lunessa | Vilkku: No. |
| 20:48.13 | Vilkku | damn |
| 20:48.19 | Vilkku | well, thanks for the info |
| 20:48.44 | ScytheBlade1 | lua>326.9*1.2 |
| 20:48.44 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 392.28 |
| 20:48.47 | foxlit | Lunessa: why? It's a simple dropdown menu, isn't it? |
| 20:49.08 | alestane | Some of them are unprotected, I think; dungeon difficulty, loot info, PvP flag. |
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| 20:49.25 | foxlit | Practically everything you'd want to do on yourself, anyway. |
| 20:50.58 | Lunessa | he asked for the exact same menu. |
| 20:51.07 | foxlit | So? |
| 20:51.12 | foxlit | ToggleDropdownMenu it |
| 20:51.52 | Vilkku | well, what I want is dungeon difficulty, loot options and leave group |
| 20:52.06 | Lunessa | That you can do. |
| 20:52.12 | alestane | The menu itself is not protected (yet)...but a couple of functions might fail if it's opened from insecure code. None of those should be among them, though. |
| 20:52.14 | foxlit | ToggleDropDownMenu(1, nil, PlayerFrameDropDown, "aFrameName", ofsX, ofsY); |
| 20:53.15 | foxlit | It's only "Set focus" that breaks. |
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| 20:54.02 | Lunessa | I was certain there was something else. Bah. |
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| 20:55.55 | Vilkku | set focus is partly broken already, even if I got the default menu :P do you happen to know of mods that add loot settigns/difficulty already? |
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| 21:01.55 | TopTop18 | Could it be UnitInBattleground is not nil when in an instance? |
| 21:03.13 | TopTop18 | ~api UnitInBattleground |
| 21:03.14 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_UnitInBattleground |
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| 21:04.18 | TopTop18 | Doesn;t exist xD |
| 21:04.46 | alestane | !api UnitInBattleground |
| 21:04.47 | lua_bot | UnitInBattleground: Returns whether a unit is in same battleground instance as the player (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitInBattleground) |
| 21:05.11 | Vonhinten | Fisker, why are they retards? |
| 21:05.23 | TopTop18 | ah thanks! |
| 21:05.37 | Vonhinten | Windows 7 is gonna sweep across the enterprise marktet, rest assured |
| 21:05.44 | TopTop18 | Might not be clever to call that for "player" |
| 21:06.32 | foxlit | It's IsInInstance() that you want to use if you're wondering about yourself. |
| 21:06.42 | Mikk | Vonhinten: Well, since M$ now has all major companies locked into their OMGMUSTUPGRADE program.... |
| 21:06.55 | Mikk | Yes, each new windows version dutifully gets rolled out long before SP1 arrives |
| 21:07.02 | Vonhinten | Mikk, companies are going to WANT Windows 7 |
| 21:07.05 | Mikk | To the dismay of everyone |
| 21:07.10 | foxlit | "The "battleground"-raid/party-members are also not considered to be part of your raid. |
| 21:07.11 | foxlit | Inside "battleground" UnitInRaid("unit") will return a number based on layout position" |
| 21:07.29 | foxlit | I so wonder. |
| 21:07.32 | Mikk | Okay, what amazing feature does it have now that already existed in 1995? |
| 21:10.22 | nicoli_s | it has the ability to run more than 2 programs at once |
| 21:10.30 | nicoli_s | and can open up to 3 seperate windows |
| 21:11.18 | Mikk | "Migrations of existing computers have been up to 75 percent faster than in the past. It will ultimately be 70 percent less expensive for us to upgrade to Windows 7 than previous systems because we can use existing hardware and reduce staff time necessary to handle the process." |
| 21:11.21 | Mikk | Loving that quote |
| 21:11.29 | Mikk | It will be less expensive to upgrade omgomgomg |
| 21:11.41 | Mikk | ... neglecting to mention the obvious: upgrading costs money to begin with |
| 21:11.46 | Mikk | while not upgrading typically does not |
| 21:11.48 | Mikk | yoink! |
| 21:12.09 | nevcairiel | at some point you do need to update |
| 21:12.20 | nevcairiel | and then its less expensive =P |
| 21:13.03 | Mikk | well at that point SP2 is out and all the horrid showstoppers fixed :P |
| 21:13.29 | Cide | isn't he comparing the costs to upgrade to win7 versus to previous versions of windows? |
| 21:13.41 | Vonhinten | of course |
| 21:13.51 | Mikk | the fact that win7 and winvista has the same hardware reqs has nothing to do with it |
| 21:14.00 | nevcairiel | Win7 is just a fixed vista, not a real new OS, so i dont expect that many showstoppers |
| 21:14.02 | Cide | so he didn't argue it doesn't cost them :P |
| 21:14.18 | nevcairiel | in fact, even the RC works smoother then vista already |
| 21:14.44 | Vonhinten | Btw, early adopters are afford special licenses and access to special resources... that's WHY companies do it |
| 21:15.22 | Mikk | It's mostly because it makes the IT exec get bigger epeen |
| 21:15.29 | Vonhinten | they agree to put up with any issues, and Microsoft gets to say "Yes, a whole 2k+ seat firm has already upgraded" |
| 21:15.36 | Lunessa | We're rolling out Vista currently - mostly because it'll smooth the transition to 7. |
| 21:16.01 | Mikk | Yeah XP approaching EOL =(( |
| 21:16.04 | Mikk | snifs |
| 21:17.02 | Mikk | Meh i dunno.. just seems to me like your average corporation would do just fine with winnt4 and office97 still |
| 21:17.09 | Mikk | And at lower cost |
| 21:17.42 | Cide | doubt that's the case |
| 21:17.45 | Lunessa | Actually Vista makes some user-level security issues easier to implement. |
| 21:17.45 | Vonhinten | lol |
| 21:17.57 | Arrowmaster | i dont see how xp can go EOL if a version of 7 is going to have an xp VM included |
| 21:18.05 | Lunessa | er solutions for some user-level secuiryt issues |
| 21:18.14 | Mikk | well they've announced the end of security patches for xp |
| 21:18.17 | Mikk | 2011 |
| 21:19.08 | NeoTron | as much as hating microsoft is a hip thing to do (and how it's often warranted), Windows 7 is actually not bad |
| 21:19.32 | Cide | stop being politically correct |
| 21:19.36 | Cide | win7 is *good* |
| 21:19.38 | theorbtwo | I expect they will continue support for those parts of xp that are relevant to the vm in 7. |
| 21:19.38 | Mikk | nah not saying windows 7 is shit |
| 21:19.47 | Mikk | i'm just questioning the need for religious upgrading |
| 21:19.51 | NeoTron | Cide: I reserve judgment :) |
| 21:20.09 | Mikk | in corporate environments, specifically |
| 21:20.13 | NeoTron | I've purchased two upgrade licences because I want to upgrade... and it's very clearly superior to vista |
| 21:20.33 | NeoTron | cutting edge upgrading in the corporate sector though, is likely very heavily finacially backed by microsoft |
| 21:20.51 | NeoTron | most likely close to free or at a very low cost... |
| 21:21.01 | ZorbaBeta | I actually rather like win7 except for a few surprisingly critical issues |
| 21:21.19 | Vonhinten | You gotta keep in mind too, in corperate environments, the timing of upgrades is VERY relevant... sometimes it has to be done before the next fiscal year starts |
| 21:21.23 | Cide | ZorbaBeta: which? |
| 21:21.25 | Mikk | heh, none of the multinationals i've had the opportunity to look inside have had anything like that from MS |
| 21:21.25 | ZorbaBeta | mostly subtle UI things that I'm just incredibly used to in XP, or that I can modify XP to suit my needs |
| 21:21.30 | Mikk | they just know that they need the latest |
| 21:21.31 | Mikk | because it's better |
| 21:21.35 | Mikk | and they need it yesterday |
| 21:21.39 | NeoTron | I know it's small but i like the maximize/half-size when moving to an edge/top.. very trivial feature but very useful for my normal usage patterns |
| 21:21.42 | ZorbaBeta | cide, the big one is that I can't re-order the taskbar, and it wants to group all of a program's windows together |
| 21:21.58 | NeoTron | Mikk: but needing it before it's released? |
| 21:22.00 | ZorbaBeta | even if you turn off the "grouping", it still butts them up against each other - it's impossible to have a taskbar consisting of Firefox, Notepad, Firefox in that order |
| 21:22.03 | Vonhinten | also, some corps get upgrades out of the way during low productivity times |
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| 21:22.11 | Mikk | NeoTron: no, i meant promptly after release |
| 21:22.25 | Cide | ZorbaBeta: huh? |
| 21:22.35 | Cide | you can re-order the taskbar |
| 21:22.40 | Mikk | shrugs |
| 21:22.45 | ZorbaBeta | cide, open two firefox windows, try to get a notepad window between them |
| 21:22.50 | Cide | I have no reason to |
| 21:22.50 | ZorbaBeta | you can't do it |
| 21:22.52 | Cide | the grouping is awesome |
| 21:22.54 | Vonhinten | Windows 7 is scheduled for October or something, last I heard.. which is really close to many companies fiscal end of year... which is bad |
| 21:22.58 | Cide | but I'll take your word for it |
| 21:23.04 | Cide | don't see why you would want to, though 8) |
| 21:23.04 | ZorbaBeta | well, I do have reason to, and it's a major problem for me :P |
| 21:23.09 | Lunessa | October 22 is retail. |
| 21:23.19 | ZorbaBeta | I'm frequently working on two or three things at once, and I like keeping their tabs contiguous |
| 21:23.21 | Stanzilla | it's already done and.."released" |
| 21:23.31 | ZorbaBeta | I can't do that if it insists on grouping things by program |
| 21:23.32 | Lunessa | Some places already have it. |
| 21:23.43 | Lunessa | Mostly TechNet subscribers. |
| 21:24.02 | Stanzilla | the only shitty thing with grouping is that you can't disable it per-program |
| 21:24.02 | ZorbaBeta | it's actually a pretty severe amount of mental overhead if I can't do it. |
| 21:24.17 | Stanzilla | like...I hate grouped explorer windows |
| 21:24.20 | nicoli_s | zorba has a huge brain |
| 21:24.27 | Arrowmaster | i think i broke steam |
| 21:24.30 | nicoli_s | so big he has to carry it in a motorized cart |
| 21:24.39 | Arrowmaster | it doesnt want to start |
| 21:24.50 | ZorbaBeta | nicoli, brain the size of a planet |
| 21:25.29 | Lunessa | ZorbaBeta: Do you have a GPP? |
| 21:25.30 | ZorbaBeta | life. don't talk to me about life. |
| 21:25.35 | Slafsinator | the new taskbar is probably the best feature of win7 |
| 21:25.51 | Slafsinator | the old win 95 train wreck design needed to go |
| 21:25.59 | ZorbaBeta | lunessa, yes. It's horrid. I hate people. |
| 21:26.16 | ZorbaBeta | slafs, while I do agree with you, the way I fixed it in win95 was by installing some programs that made it unsuck |
| 21:26.21 | ZorbaBeta | unfortunately they don't work in win7 :) |
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| 21:26.46 | Slafsinator | unsuck how? |
| 21:26.49 | Lunessa | The Marketing Department of the Serius Cybernetics Corporation - a bunch of mindless wonks who were first against the wall when the revolution came. |
| 21:26.57 | durcyn | Sirius. |
| 21:27.07 | durcyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.11 | ZorbaBeta | slaf, the ability to drag tabs around trivially, pretty much. all I needed was the ability to order stuff |
| 21:27.22 | Slafsinator | yes, ordering is important |
| 21:27.46 | Lunessa | Oh hey, it's Marvin. Apprently he's called to wash his head at us. |
| 21:29.52 | Slafsinator | biggest problem of the old/current taskbar is how cluttered and hard to read it becomes once you start having a few applications and windows up |
| 21:29.57 | Mikk | likes the old win95 design tyvm |
| 21:30.32 | Vonhinten | I've always avoided that probably by constantly closing things I don't need |
| 21:30.37 | Slafsinator | and when you minimize stuff they sometimes go down to a regular taskbar button, and sometimes the app minimizes into the tray |
| 21:30.40 | Vonhinten | probably=problem |
| 21:31.03 | Slafsinator | Vonhinten: yes, most people do, but I think it's unnecessary to have to do that, the system should cope with that :) |
| 21:31.24 | Mikk | Yes, given infinite RAM, that's fine :P |
| 21:31.25 | ZorbaBeta | vonhinten, there's a reason my computer has 8gb of RAM, and why I have my taskbar on the right side of the screen instead of the bottom |
| 21:31.33 | Slafsinator | Mikk: ram is cheap |
| 21:32.09 | Mikk | mumbles something about the good old 8bit days and 64KB |
| 21:32.16 | Slafsinator | and the taskbar usually gets out of control before you are limited by ram :) |
| 21:32.47 | Vonhinten | It's not really about the computer for me.. it's about maintaining the list of active tasks myself |
| 21:32.52 | Lunessa | I need more RAM. Seriously, 2gb isn't enough - ever. |
| 21:32.59 | Slafsinator | esp for those corporate users you like to think about that manage with office97 and some ancient museum version of windows |
| 21:33.02 | Vonhinten | so my taskbar represents my immediate tasks |
| 21:33.18 | ZorbaBeta | it is for me too, I just have a ridiculous number of tasks at once |
| 21:33.22 | ZorbaBeta | like, right now firefox has 135 tabs. |
| 21:33.27 | Vonhinten | that's crazy man |
| 21:34.08 | Arrowmaster | been there, been way past there |
| 21:34.13 | ZorbaBeta | split into 26 windows, organized into four separate groups on my taskbar. ;) |
| 21:34.15 | Slafsinator | Lunessa: you can probably triple that for the cost of 2 work hours ;P |
| 21:34.18 | Vonhinten | mine has 12.. and 8 of them are XNA framework related that I could easily save into a bookmark folder |
| 21:34.42 | Lunessa | Slafsinator: After BlizzCon |
| 21:34.47 | Vonhinten | since I'm not working on that at the moment |
| 21:34.48 | Slafsinator | aaaaaaafter blizzcon |
| 21:34.57 | devZero | is anyone aware of a method to determine which "Area" you are in, in Ulduar? For example, When you're standing in the antechamber, and you bring up the map. There's literal Area 1 - 3 |
| 21:35.01 | devZero | err 1 - 4 |
| 21:35.24 | devZero | right now, I can get the actual minimap zone name, but I want to detect the actual area 1-4. |
| 21:35.53 | Lunessa | You mean like "Antechamber" "Staging Ground"? |
| 21:36.10 | devZero | no, like "Area 1", "Area 2" |
| 21:36.21 | devZero | I'm using this to detect map changes. |
| 21:36.24 | devZero | well, trying to. |
| 21:36.42 | ZorbaBeta | dev, there's a function for determining which level you're on |
| 21:36.49 | ZorbaBeta | lemme dig it out |
| 21:36.55 | Arrowmaster | you can try doing SetMapToCurrentZone() then querying what dungeon level the map is set to |
| 21:37.05 | devZero | I was looking at wowwiki api lists, under location functions. But I didn't see anything there for it. |
| 21:37.13 | Arrowmaster | dont use wowwiki |
| 21:37.18 | Arrowmaster | ~wowprogramming |
| 21:37.19 | purl | World of Warcraft Programming: A Guide and Reference for Creating WoW Addons ~ http://tinyurl.com/5hnxob ~ a book written by Cladhaire, Cogwheel and Kaelten, or the companion site and API reference available online for free at http://wowprogramming.com |
| 21:37.37 | devZero | looking... |
| 21:37.39 | ZorbaBeta | GetCurrentMapDungeonLevel() |
| 21:37.51 | ZorbaBeta | there's the function. and, yeah, you'll need to setmaptocurrentzone() or whatever first |
| 21:37.55 | Lunessa | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_categories#map |
| 21:38.05 | devZero | thanks a bunch everyone :) |
| 21:38.09 | Lunessa | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCurrentMapDungeonLevel |
| 21:38.21 | foxlit | "Arrowmaster: dont use wowwiki" << for bonus points, fix wowwiki |
| 21:38.38 | ZorbaBeta | note that it will return bizarre and unexpected stuff in many cases, make sure you test whatever you're doing in Stratholme also |
| 21:38.38 | Arrowmaster | why maintain docs at two different locations? |
| 21:39.15 | Lunessa | Because the wiki isn't "The original materials contained in the API Reference section of this website are copyright John Wiley & Sons." |
| 21:39.28 | Arrowmaster | plus ive always found wowwikis api layout rather bad, you need to edit stuff in multiple pages |
| 21:39.41 | Lunessa | But I too prefer WoWProgramming. |
| 21:39.44 | foxlit | To be fair, wowwiki has the dungeon map stuff on [[API]] |
| 21:40.05 | jnwhiteh | sure |
| 21:40.09 | Arrowmaster | right, most of the api on wowwiki does not have seperate pages |
| 21:40.15 | jnwhiteh | and the mere existance of APIs on wowwiki is a mystery. |
| 21:40.25 | foxlit | Most of the API is trivial. |
| 21:40.28 | Arrowmaster | and when it does you need to update it on both the individual page and the main listing |
| 21:40.35 | jnwhiteh | foxlit: the existance of new apis |
| 21:40.38 | jnwhiteh | that's non-trivial. |
| 21:40.41 | jnwhiteh | it doesnt' get updated |
| 21:40.43 | jnwhiteh | we have a database |
| 21:40.45 | jnwhiteh | they have pages |
| 21:40.46 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 21:40.58 | jnwhiteh | one is superior |
| 21:41.00 | jnwhiteh | but people don't post on it |
| 21:41.01 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
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| 21:41.12 | jnwhiteh | no one is ever going to "Fix" wowwiki |
| 21:41.13 | foxlit | *I* post on it. Clearly that's all that matters :) |
| 21:41.24 | jnwhiteh | when you could contribute elsewhere |
| 21:41.27 | jnwhiteh | yeah i guess. |
| 21:41.44 | Lunessa | I *heart* WoWProgramming.com's API reference. srsly. |
| 21:41.53 | ZorbaBeta | it comes to the IP issues for me |
| 21:42.00 | Arrowmaster | for somebody to 'fix' wowwiki, somebody good at wikis would first need to redo the entire api layout and make it use templates and stuff so that the main listing never gets directly edited, like how wowprogramming is |
| 21:42.05 | ZorbaBeta | I'd rather contribute to something that's explicitly open. |
| 21:42.31 | jnwhiteh | .. |
| 21:42.41 | jnwhiteh | you lose nothing by contributing to wowprogramming |
| 21:42.45 | jnwhiteh | not a thing. |
| 21:42.57 | ZorbaBeta | and considering that virtually everything I've done has either been in the "wowwiki is correct", "neither wowwiki nor wowprogramming is correct", or "neither wowwiki nor wowprogramming even know about it", it's been good enough |
| 21:42.59 | ZorbaBeta | jn, my time |
| 21:43.22 | jnwhiteh | so you contribute to a resource that is fundamentally flawed |
| 21:43.22 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 21:43.29 | ZorbaBeta | if I discover something, I put it up somewhere so that people don't have to do it twice. I put it on wowwiki because I like wowwiki better. |
| 21:43.33 | jnwhiteh | it's fine, do whatever you feel is right |
| 21:43.41 | ZorbaBeta | sure, as opposed to a resource that is fundamentally flawed in a way I consider more fundamental :) |
| 21:43.50 | jnwhiteh | well, one is subjective |
| 21:43.55 | foxlit | Arrowmaster: (a) I don't believe that's a substantial problem. (b) Templates don't work that way :) |
| 21:44.03 | jnwhiteh | and thanks for never bringing up these concerns |
| 21:44.07 | jnwhiteh | that certainly helped matters. |
| 21:44.17 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: its not a templating issue |
| 21:44.28 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: wowwiki for it to even remotely "work" has to be botted.. to the Nth degree. |
| 21:44.34 | jnwhiteh | that's the nature of this API |
| 21:44.47 | ZorbaBeta | *shrug* it never came up before, and I didn't think it was likely to change. |
| 21:44.49 | Dewin | I always wished there was something that combined a wiki with a database on a more intelligent level than somethings I've seened. |
| 21:44.55 | ZorbaBeta | Are you planning on changing the license now that I've mentioned it? |
| 21:44.59 | Dewin | ... seened... brain, work please. |
| 21:45.03 | jnwhiteh | ZorbaBeta: I can't just "change" the licens.e |
| 21:45.07 | jnwhiteh | and what license is the issue/ |
| 21:45.09 | jnwhiteh | what precisely is your concern? |
| 21:45.34 | Lunessa | regrets ever mentioning the copyright notice. |
| 21:45.45 | jnwhiteh | Lunessa: the copyright notice should have absolutely nothing to do with it |
| 21:45.53 | jnwhiteh | and it's a conversation that clearly needs to be had. |
| 21:46.08 | ZorbaBeta | if I contribute to wowwiki, I'm giving an explicit set of rights out to a large group of people, and I'm letting it known that I'm allowing use of it by that group of people |
| 21:46.10 | ScytheBlade1 | link to the license/copyright/whatever in question? |
| 21:46.15 | Lunessa | jnwhiteh: I know. I just mentioned it as a reason someone might prefer wowwiki to wowprogramming. |
| 21:46.27 | ZorbaBeta | if I contribute to wowprogramming, I'm granting John Wiley & Sons the right to make money off it, but not granting anyone else that right. |
| 21:46.33 | ZorbaBeta | scythe, http://wowprogramming.com/about/terms_of_service |
| 21:46.40 | jnwhiteh | But you still have the right to grant that license? |
| 21:46.45 | jnwhiteh | We don't preclude that in any way |
| 21:46.53 | ZorbaBeta | Sure. But if I want that to be well-known, I have to go post it on wowwiki also |
| 21:47.02 | jnwhiteh | No, that's flawed logic |
| 21:47.10 | ZorbaBeta | so why not *just* post it on wowwiki, and let you guys pull it from there if you feel it's worthwhile? |
| 21:47.14 | jnwhiteh | because we can't. |
| 21:47.16 | jnwhiteh | that's the problem |
| 21:47.17 | jnwhiteh | 100% |
| 21:47.18 | Shadowed | license conflicts I'd assume |
| 21:47.20 | jnwhiteh | two problem. |
| 21:47.24 | jnwhiteh | I can't pull FDL materia. |
| 21:47.32 | jnwhiteh | because the FDL is viral fuck-tardishness |
| 21:48.13 | ScytheBlade1 | I'd disagree that it is flawed logic; simply because of wowwiki's popularity. It makes sense to update wowwiki considering the raw traffic it pulls, as it is seen as the "go to" reference for the API by a ... large number of people |
| 21:48.25 | ScytheBlade1 | (No matter how much I really enjoy the wowprogramming docs, the formatting, etc etc etc) |
| 21:48.26 | Shadowed | it is flawed logic |
| 21:48.27 | jnwhiteh | ScytheBlade1: a fundamentally flawed, wrong reference. |
| 21:48.43 | jnwhiteh | by and large |
| 21:48.45 | Shadowed | wowprogramming needs a darker layout thought :< |
| 21:48.48 | jnwhiteh | 75% of the API is better documented on wowprogramming. |
| 21:48.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure, but that doesn't magically change people's "go to" spot |
| 21:49.04 | jnwhiteh | ScytheBlade1: and what does |
| 21:49.05 | jnwhiteh | ever? |
| 21:49.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Nothing |
| 21:49.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 21:49.14 | ZorbaBeta | jn, so basically, your license allows you to do anything you want with it, but doesn't permit anyone else to use it. wowwiki's license allows anyone to copy it under the requirements that anything else be under the FDL. |
| 21:49.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Time, effort, work |
| 21:49.17 | ScytheBlade1 | etc |
| 21:49.20 | ZorbaBeta | I can certainly see why you prefer your license |
| 21:49.40 | ZorbaBeta | but for anyone who's not you, your license is strictly inferior. (assuming they're willing to have their stuff shared.) |
| 21:49.45 | jnwhiteh | ZorbaBeta: no, that's not tru |
| 21:49.46 | Shadowed | what |
| 21:49.46 | jnwhiteh | stop |
| 21:49.49 | jnwhiteh | stop |
| 21:49.50 | Shadowed | o.O |
| 21:49.55 | jnwhiteh | *sigh* |
| 21:50.03 | jnwhiteh | ZorbaBeta: there is no "licensE" on wowprogramming |
| 21:50.04 | jnwhiteh | none. |
| 21:50.09 | jnwhiteh | you agree, when you create your account |
| 21:50.13 | jnwhiteh | that you grant wiley a license to use the material in a book |
| 21:50.18 | jnwhiteh | that's it. |
| 21:50.21 | bleeter | i wish |
| 21:50.23 | bleeter | people would stop |
| 21:50.25 | bleeter | writing sentences |
| 21:50.28 | bleeter | on more than |
| 21:50.29 | bleeter | one line |
| 21:50.31 | bleeter | stop |
| 21:50.33 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm just saying, that wowwiki is seen as the 'the' place to go, and wowprogramming, while I'd say is superior in terms of documentation, is far lesser known if for no other reason that its relative age |
| 21:50.33 | bleeter | that |
| 21:50.35 | bleeter | please |
| 21:50.43 | jnwhiteh | ScytheBlade1: its not by all of the community |
| 21:50.46 | jnwhiteh | there's the problem |
| 21:50.46 | ScytheBlade1 | true |
| 21:50.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Right |
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| 21:51.01 | ZorbaBeta | jn, yes, that's sort of the point. perhaps I exaggerated slightly. |
| 21:51.03 | bleeter | ~staple MentalPower |
| 21:51.04 | purl | ACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples MentalPower quite well, and hands MentalPower to bleeter |
| 21:51.06 | ZorbaBeta | but your license is strictly better for you. |
| 21:51.06 | jnwhiteh | quite a bit, I would say |
| 21:51.12 | jnwhiteh | *SIGH* |
| 21:51.13 | ZorbaBeta | and wowwiki's license is strictly better for everyone else. |
| 21:51.13 | jnwhiteh | its not a "license" |
| 21:51.20 | ZorbaBeta | okay, your "agreement" |
| 21:51.22 | jnwhiteh | that's what you don't seem to get |
| 21:51.33 | jnwhiteh | I disagree that wowwiki's is better |
| 21:51.35 | ZorbaBeta | c'mon, calling it not a "license" is splitting hairs. It's an agreement, a contract, a terms of service |
| 21:51.47 | jnwhiteh | the different is pretty effing extreme in this case |
| 21:51.54 | jnwhiteh | especially when things are being overstated |
| 21:51.57 | jnwhiteh | so I seek clarification |
| 21:52.12 | jnwhiteh | I would gladly put WowProgramming under a license that allowed everything under the moon |
| 21:52.16 | jnwhiteh | only then the book never would have happened |
| 21:52.25 | ScytheBlade1 | dual licensing? |
| 21:52.25 | ZorbaBeta | how's it different? I post stuff on your site, you put it in a book and sell it, Bob API Docs tries to sell it and you can sue them. What's the difference? |
| 21:52.26 | jnwhiteh | they never would have paid us to go through two grueling rounds of full API documentation |
| 21:52.28 | ScytheBlade1 | er |
| 21:52.29 | ScytheBlade1 | sorry |
| 21:52.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Don't kill me |
| 21:52.35 | ZorbaBeta | I'm not saying your license is a bad idea for you |
| 21:52.39 | jnwhiteh | ZorbaBeta: I can't sue them for selling it |
| 21:52.42 | ZorbaBeta | it may very well have been what you needed to do |
| 21:52.50 | jnwhiteh | ZorbaBeta: Unless they include the _ORIGINAL_ material that is ours. |
| 21:53.22 | ZorbaBeta | I'm just saying that, from my point of view, it's pretty much strictly inferior, which is why I - the person who isn't you - prefers wowwiki. |
| 21:53.27 | jnwhiteh | You're welcome to |
| 21:53.30 | jnwhiteh | I think its unfortunate |
| 21:53.31 | ZorbaBeta | I've never once said that you shouldn't have used that license :P |
| 21:53.33 | jnwhiteh | and that this schizm will never end. |
| 21:53.38 | jnwhiteh | when it could. |
| 21:53.44 | Shadowed | You prefer wowwiki because cladhaire can't make some money for the work he put into keeping the site active and doing the original documentation? |
| 21:53.47 | Shadowed | I'm confused |
| 21:53.48 | jnwhiteh | but no one other than me seems interested in that happening. |
| 21:53.51 | ZorbaBeta | Yeah, so do I. A unified location would have been a lot better. If you're willing to start up a new site based on a mutually agreeable license, let me know. |
| 21:54.01 | jnwhiteh | too late for that |
| 21:54.04 | jnwhiteh | and no one seems to want to talk |
| 21:54.06 | jnwhiteh | they just condem |
| 21:54.07 | jnwhiteh | and move on |
| 21:54.15 | nicoli_s | you two seem to be talking now :) |
| 21:54.18 | ZorbaBeta | shadowed, I prefer wowwiki because I can make a full copy of wowwiki and post it on my site and fork the hell out of it. |
| 21:54.20 | nicoli_s | so yay world peace we did it! |
| 21:54.25 | Shadowed | And will you do that? |
| 21:54.47 | bleeter | ZorbaBeta: so basically you're just pissed because you can't profit from jnwhiteh's own work? |
| 21:54.53 | ZorbaBeta | shadowed, I'm not planning to, no. I'm not planning on forking Linux either, but I run it on my servers anyway because it's safer :P |
| 21:54.54 | jnwhiteh | no guys |
| 21:54.57 | jnwhiteh | that's not what he's saying at all. |
| 21:54.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Let's not apply emotion here |
| 21:55.00 | ZorbaBeta | bleeter, no, not at all. I'm not pissed in the least |
| 21:55.04 | ScytheBlade1 | 'pissed' I don't think is right |
| 21:55.05 | ScytheBlade1 | nods |
| 21:55.07 | Shadowed | so you don't want to use wowprogramming cause you "might" fork it |
| 21:55.10 | jnwhiteh | okaty here's the problem. |
| 21:55.12 | ZorbaBeta | I made a calm and rational decision about the best use of my time and effort |
| 21:55.17 | Shadowed | that's kind of silly |
| 21:55.27 | jnwhiteh | 1.) WoWWiki cannot be used in a realistically commercial venture. |
| 21:55.52 | jnwhiteh | 2.) WowWiki is out of date because even the EXISTANCE of APIs is hidden and unknown.. someone has to manually go through and add them to a listing, then add them, etc. |
| 21:56.01 | ZorbaBeta | here, I hereby give jnwhiteh permission to copy any of the (admittedly small) stuff I've posted on Wowwiki and put it into wowprogramming. If he wants to spend the time on it, it's his. As far as I'm concerned, it's public domain. |
| 21:56.17 | Shadowed | Which is impossible because you agreed to the wowwiki license is my understanding? |
| 21:56.17 | jnwhiteh | ZorbaBeta: well its not and that's the problem |
| 21:56.24 | jnwhiteh | Shadowed: he can dual license it |
| 21:56.26 | Shadowed | ah |
| 21:56.30 | jnwhiteh | but only _his_ work |
| 21:57.12 | Lunessa | WoWwiki requires that *I* and others like me spend effort to maintain it. I prefer to let jnwhiteh do it and make a few bucks because I'm a lazy fuck. |
| 21:57.23 | jnwhiteh | the "few" is an understatement |
| 21:57.28 | Arrowmaster | jnwhiteh: i think the issue they have is that wowprogramming doesnt have anything in its ToS page giving rights to even use the api info in non commercial ways by others, such as creating and sharing files for an in-editor api documentation like sometimes get generated from wowwiki |
| 21:57.38 | jnwhiteh | but the fact of the matter is, I got us money to update the API |
| 21:57.41 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: no one has asked for it. |
| 21:58.02 | Shadowed | in-game API documentator would be fun |
| 21:58.08 | jnwhiteh | Shadowed: i had one |
| 21:58.12 | jnwhiteh | you don't want to do it |
| 21:58.15 | Shadowed | haha |
| 21:58.19 | jnwhiteh | there's a reason I have the data format on wowprogramming the way I do |
| 21:58.31 | jnwhiteh | any user interface for this type of work just doesn't work |
| 21:58.35 | Lunessa | the pain. Oh god the pain. I do docs for a living. it sucks. |
| 21:58.39 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: I'd gladly approach the publisher asking for a change |
| 21:58.44 | jnwhiteh | but no one has ever asked |
| 21:58.52 | jnwhiteh | they just assume i'm evil, condemn the site and update wowwiki |
| 21:58.55 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 21:59.20 | jnwhiteh | Now we have incredibly well documented pages at wowwiki.. for 0.05% of the API |
| 21:59.29 | jnwhiteh | and out of date, bullshit or lacking documentation for the most part |
| 21:59.43 | jnwhiteh | if I want a combat log reference, right now i go to wowwiki |
| 22:00.08 | jnwhiteh | but if I want to know anything else, I go to my own site, because it's always "right" even if some areas are not as well documented. |
| 22:00.30 | jnwhiteh | not being able to tell what methods a widget has, or scripts, or if an API function exists drove me insane |
| 22:00.38 | ScytheBlade1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:00.41 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaBeta: would your concerns be addressed if wowprogramming dual licensed the api documentation with something like Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike |
| 22:00.48 | ZorbaBeta | jn, well, if you could somehow get the license shifted to GFDL or something more permissive, I'd gladly shift. I don't actually think it's worth your time to do so, note :) |
| 22:00.55 | jnwhiteh | GFDL is fucked. |
| 22:00.58 | jnwhiteh | that would never happen |
| 22:01.08 | Arrowmaster | even wikipedia is moving away from gfdl, or wants to |
| 22:01.14 | ZorbaBeta | arrow, probably, yeah. I'd have to think about the "noncommercial" side of things, but I'd probably be fine with that |
| 22:01.15 | jnwhiteh | it would have to be CC-A-NC-SA |
| 22:01.24 | jnwhiteh | the noncommercial would be required |
| 22:01.28 | jnwhiteh | for obvious reasons |
| 22:01.43 | Arrowmaster | the publisher probably wouldnt allow it without the noncommercial |
| 22:01.52 | jnwhiteh | i can almost certainly say they would not. |
| 22:02.01 | jnwhiteh | They've invested too much money in the API work that we've done |
| 22:02.04 | jnwhiteh | to allow someone else to sell it. |
| 22:02.13 | NeoTron | CC-A-NC-SA sure rolls off the tongue doesn't it |
| 22:02.16 | jnwhiteh | lol |
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| 22:02.44 | ZorbaBeta | neo, the name has the advantage that it's a good description of the license. Unfortunately, that's the only advantage the name has :) |
| 22:03.03 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 22:03.26 | Aelobin_ | did they nerf northrend levelling yet? |
| 22:03.36 | Lunessa | Ok, so the discussion was had, and all is happy? |
| 22:03.37 | jnwhiteh | I just wish people would have said something, but what are ya gonna do |
| 22:03.47 | ZorbaBeta | aelobin, depends on what you mean by "nerf". they're adding the heirloom book |
| 22:04.06 | ZorbaBeta | jn, keep in mind that I ran into it the first time about a year ago, when it was already well-established and I was a newcomer to this |
| 22:04.12 | ZorbaBeta | I know how tough changing licenses is :P |
| 22:04.20 | Aelobin_ | reduce the amount of xp, like they did with outland :P |
| 22:04.20 | jnwhiteh | it wasn't all that well established then |
| 22:05.04 | ZorbaBeta | I mean, technically, if you want to change the license now, you're going to have to revert all the changes by people you can't get directly in contact with to check |
| 22:05.07 | Aelobin_ | hoy 69-75 in 2 days without no-lifing :P |
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| 22:05.22 | jnwhiteh | ZorbaBeta: i can get permission from the contributers. |
| 22:05.23 | ZorbaBeta | aelobin, I wouldn't expect that until 4.0 |
| 22:05.50 | Aelobin_ | ^^ |
| 22:05.54 | Aelobin_ | dam that _ |
| 22:06.04 | Aelobin | >: ) |
| 22:06.13 | ZorbaBeta | although I am very curious what they're going to do with heirlooms in 4.0 |
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| 22:06.48 | Shadowed | Heirlooms only apply up until level 80, after 80 they XP effect is gone. |
| 22:06.51 | Shadowed | simple and easy |
| 22:07.14 | dardack | wait the xp effect is gone? |
| 22:07.17 | dardack | that sux |
| 22:07.29 | Shadowed | ... no |
| 22:07.34 | Lunessa | It's sad - I have so many sets of the shoulders for different alts - and when they level up there's no real reason to keep using them, and nothing to do with them anymore. |
| 22:07.47 | jnwhiteh | 26 contributers |
| 22:08.05 | bleeter | I want a web UI so I can transfer heirlooms across realms... :( |
| 22:08.09 | jnwhiteh | 8 of which aren't in this channel, and have less than 3 edits each |
| 22:08.09 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 22:08.09 | Arrowmaster | am i one of them? |
| 22:08.14 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: yes |
| 22:08.16 | dardack | i meant for the next xpac, only reason i have some of the shoulders |
| 22:08.54 | bleeter | what's the current ETA on the PTR? I should really re-sub to help Nechckn & co. out |
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| 22:09.27 | ScytheBlade1 | thinks he is one of those 26 |
| 22:09.27 | ZorbaBeta | shadowed, yeah, but then they get to add an entire new slew of heirlooms at 90. and they're going to quickly run out of classic noteworthy weapons if they keep doing that |
| 22:09.38 | ScytheBlade1 | isn't quite sure! |
| 22:09.46 | Shadowed | Use the previous expensives weapons |
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| 22:09.53 | Shadowed | 4.0 will probably use 2.0 stuff |
| 22:09.57 | Shadowed | expansions even |
| 22:11.21 | ZorbaBeta | they could, but their current design philosophy (read: "ability to properly itemize things in a non-idiotic fashion") means that there don't tend to be as many real iconic weapons in BC and onwards |
| 22:11.26 | ZorbaBeta | besides legendaries |
| 22:12.05 | Arrowmaster | i still have an azuresong mageblade in my bank =D |
| 22:12.17 | ScytheBlade1 | same |
| 22:12.39 | ZorbaBeta | on the other hand, if they do decide to hand out heirloom warglaives, I imagine a lot of people would go buy them. |
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| 22:13.11 | Arrowmaster | also have a ToEP just because of how fucking rare they were for our raids, never deleting it |
| 22:14.50 | bleeter | my un-subbed 2c: they should heirloom (some of the?) the original legendaries, but bring have a bit of a quest chain to open it up (instead of grindfest) |
| 22:15.08 | bleeter | blah what would I know, I ain't played in.. months |
| 22:15.25 | bleeter | goes back to debugging the facebook-pidgin plugin |
| 22:17.59 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: I finally went and got one for my mage. |
| 22:18.32 | Vonhinten | FYI, for any C++ devs, watch out for one of the latest security updates: http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vcgeneral/thread/4bc93a16-4ad5-496c-954c-45efbe4b180b |
| 22:18.47 | bleeter | any centos users out there heads up: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/30/centos_open_letter/ |
| 22:19.17 | ScytheBlade1 | saw that a while ago |
| 22:19.23 | ScytheBlade1 | has four centos boxes around |
| 22:19.27 | ScytheBlade1 | is not plesed |
| 22:19.30 | ScytheBlade1 | *pleased |
| 22:20.13 | bleeter | I doubt it'll totally collapse, it'll hit a few bumps and prolly reform |
| 22:20.30 | bleeter | the balls up that is the next RHEL release couldn't have happened at a more opportune moment for them, I think |
| 22:20.56 | ScytheBlade1 | the devel mailing list is saying that they might migrate to centosproject.org |
| 22:20.57 | bleeter | ie, if CentOS has to rearrange, the delay on RHEL 'coz of how bugridden the code is, would really be an advantage |
| 22:21.06 | ScytheBlade1 | But I don't have access to their private mailing list, so |
| 22:21.09 | ScytheBlade1 | hard for me to say |
| 22:21.13 | bleeter | yar |
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| 22:57.53 | NeoTron | bleeter: ah so last I read it I didn't realize he'd been "missing" since last year |
| 22:58.39 | foxlit | DisableAddOn/EnableAddOn do the weirdest things when run on ADDON_LOADED |
| 23:06.04 | dardack | come on instructor's pants |
| 23:06.05 | dardack | plz |
| 23:06.09 | dardack | yea i want his pants off |
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| 23:07.47 | NightHawkTheSane | ... you can have my pants. they're already off |
| 23:07.57 | NightHawkTheSane | in fact, i've barely worn pants at all this week |
| 23:10.40 | Lunessa | Pants are not optional. |
| 23:10.50 | Lunessa | Unless you're a woman, or a Scott. |
| 23:11.09 | NightHawkTheSane | psh, right now, pants are totally off limits. |
| 23:11.14 | NightHawkTheSane | ... scott? |
| 23:11.17 | dardack | sigh no pants |
| 23:11.19 | NightHawkTheSane | oh, A scott.. |
| 23:11.24 | NightHawkTheSane | misread |
| 23:11.51 | NightHawkTheSane | oh snap |
| 23:12.13 | NightHawkTheSane | NetNewsWire will be able to sync with Google Reader. fuck yeah! |
| 23:12.26 | NightHawkTheSane | (As will FeedDemon for windows) |
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| 23:49.04 | KarlKFI | nice |
| 23:50.27 | KarlKFI | NightHawkTheSane: "will be able to" when? |
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| 23:57.44 | foxlit | hrm. Wonder why I need NameVirtualHost aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd:80 when I already have NameVirtualHost *:80 |
| 23:58.04 | expiation | if i paste a macro could anybody help me try to figure out why its not working? |
| 23:58.46 | foxlit | They might. If it's interesting. |
| 23:59.06 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 23:59.08 | foxlit | Either way, you won't find out without doing it. If it's multiple lines, use http://pastey.net |
| 23:59.17 | expiation | its for wild growth, it tries to cast on target instead of mouseover if i have something dead/uncastable targeted |
| 23:59.18 | expiation | #showtooltip /cast [modifier:alt, target=player,nodead] [target=mouseover,help] Wild Growth; [target=target,help,nodead] Wild Growth; [dead] revive; Wild Growth |
| 23:59.28 | jnwhiteh | can we not scan the player's inventory before a certain point? |
| 23:59.33 | jnwhiteh | expiation: Wild Growth is a special case |
| 23:59.40 | jnwhiteh | in this case, it's bugged in Blizzard's target resolution |
| 23:59.46 | jnwhiteh | it will _ALWAYS_ cast on your target, if you have one |
| 23:59.58 | jnwhiteh | so in order to make it work, you must clear your target, then have your macro, then restore your target |
| 23:59.58 | foxlit | How would? |
