| 00:00.29 | Arrowmaster | but i have the US ghost in the shell special edition and the discs have a 2004 copyright on them so im wondering if thats an older clip just posted yesterday, they really were working on redubing it for some reason, or they just pulled that out to let conan do voice overs for instead of something they were really working on |
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| 00:15.03 | Thunder_Child | cant be much older, conan hasnt been doing the tonight show for that long |
| 00:15.24 | Arrowmaster | he was doing the later show for years |
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| 00:17.17 | Arrowmaster | but it did look like a recent clip, since andy would sit next to him on the other show, so im guessing the studio just pulled out old gits stuff to have them mess with instead of something new they were really working on |
| 00:17.59 | Ackis | Fisker: come here so I can beat you |
| 00:20.24 | sacarasc_ | off |
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| 01:03.08 | ScytheBlade1 | "Party like a sysadmin" |
| 01:03.09 | ScytheBlade1 | I fear |
| 01:03.27 | ScytheBlade1 | "Yo momma so fat, she stopped a 10GigE pipe" |
| 01:04.13 | Lopeppeppy | ScytheBlade1, quick, hints for home remedies for migraines. Dark room, Tylenol.... anything else fun? |
| 01:04.20 | ScytheBlade1 | excedrin |
| 01:04.26 | ScytheBlade1 | caffiene helps immensely |
| 01:04.40 | ScytheBlade1 | excedrin = pain killer and... caffiene, lots of it |
| 01:04.59 | Lopeppeppy | I got me some Dr. Pepper to wash it down with, so I have the caffeine too. |
| 01:05.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Sugar is bad. :) |
| 01:05.36 | Lopeppeppy | Diet /= sugar. :P |
| 01:05.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Also, a hotpad on the neck can help, depending on the type of migraine |
| 01:05.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Or over the forehead/eyes |
| 01:06.14 | Lopeppeppy | I don't get them often enough, I forget the home remedy stuff. |
| 01:06.26 | Lopeppeppy | I've been smelling things for a few hours, and the headache is just starting to come on. |
| 01:06.39 | ScytheBlade1 | (electric type hotpad, not keep you from burning your hands while pulling the cake from the oven type hotpad) |
| 01:07.53 | Lopeppeppy | Those are potholders, dear. :) |
| 01:08.00 | ScytheBlade1 | that totally depends! |
| 01:08.10 | ScytheBlade1 | but yes |
| 01:08.20 | ScytheBlade1 | heat, pressure, caffiene, quiet dark place |
| 01:08.34 | ScytheBlade1 | for me, anyway. |
| 01:08.59 | Lopeppeppy | Workin' on those. Also, sleeping meds to help me go to sleep and maybe avoid a bit of this... *fingers crossed* |
| 01:09.59 | ScytheBlade1 | Also a good idea |
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| 01:14.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Option D is a frying pan to the head at a high velocity |
| 01:14.51 | ScytheBlade1 | You wake up eventually, with a headache |
| 01:14.54 | ScytheBlade1 | ... but no migraine |
| 01:15.13 | Cairenn | \o/ |
| 01:15.34 | Cairenn | errr, nm, missed the start of the conversation |
| 01:15.38 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 01:15.43 | Cairenn | was celebrating you not having a migraine, ScytheBlade1 |
| 01:15.52 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah not me |
| 01:16.02 | ScytheBlade1 | But if you celebrate, peppy might injure you |
| 01:17.20 | Lopeppeppy | 'cause I is having one. Yay me. |
| 01:17.24 | Cairenn | :( |
| 01:18.05 | Cairenn | comforts Lopeppeppy |
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| 01:22.03 | Lopeppeppy | Will improve in time. It's a race between the sleep meds and the funny brain. :) |
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| 01:49.44 | Wobin | http://search.twitter.com/search?q=badproverbs |
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| 03:05.11 | Shirik | ~~~ |
| 03:05.18 | tekkub | you poeple are boring |
| 03:05.30 | Thunder_Child | make me mai addon tekkub! |
| 03:05.34 | tekkub | I did |
| 03:05.38 | Corrodias | http://orz.4chan.org/hr/src/1248482135193.jpg |
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| 03:08.15 | tekkub | Thunder_Child: http://github.com/tekkub/Buffoon/tree/master |
| 03:09.19 | Thunder_Child | tekkub, and i am supposed to know if an addon is LDB based how? |
| 03:09.26 | Thunder_Child | i dont use ldb |
| 03:09.36 | tekkub | sucks to be you? |
| 03:09.59 | Thunder_Child | what can i say fubar > ldb so far |
| 03:10.29 | tekkub | well you got our addon, I can't help it if you use fubar |
| 03:10.41 | Thunder_Child | lies |
| 03:11.19 | Squeese | truth! |
| 03:11.33 | DWSR | use Broker2fubar? |
| 03:11.43 | Torhal- | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/broker2fubar.aspx |
| 03:11.46 | tekkub | use fubar2broker |
| 03:11.57 | DWSR | Indeed, I do. |
| 03:12.10 | DWSR | Good thing someone also made a Dummy Fubar. |
| 03:12.19 | Torhal- | Which is completely unnecessary |
| 03:12.25 | Squeese | wow, someone made broker2fubar oO |
| 03:12.27 | Torhal- | Just take FuBar out of the fucking ReqDeps |
| 03:12.44 | Torhal- | Should never have been there |
| 03:13.47 | Squeese | wow, there is actually broker2fubar also :P |
| 03:13.57 | Torhal- | Has been for a long time :) |
| 03:14.00 | DWSR | Indeed |
| 03:14.04 | Squeese | 's mind is blown |
| 03:14.10 | DWSR | Ever since LDB became a serious standard. |
| 03:15.37 | tekkub | and yet noone's motivated to give ckk a patch to make fu support LDB properly |
| 03:15.44 | tekkub | I wonder why that is |
| 03:16.42 | Arrowmaster | because fubar uses rock |
| 03:17.08 | Arrowmaster | nobody is willing to learn a dead framework just to make a patch for a dead addon |
| 03:17.53 | tekkub | Thunder_Child is now that I wrote his addon for him |
| 03:19.38 | Thunder_Child | uh...no |
| 03:20.52 | Arrowmaster | dont even think ill do it unless somebody is willing to 'donate' some big bucks to the cause |
| 03:22.30 | A-KO | which blizzard ui file is QuestItemTemplate defined? |
| 03:22.49 | A-KO | I checked the itemtemplate.xml and questlog.xml and the like....can't find it |
| 03:25.11 | Kraps | Thrall: "Morning, Garrosh. Want pancakes for breakfast?" |
| 03:25.12 | Kraps | Garrosh: "A TRUE WARCHIEF WOULD NEVER CONSUME WEAK PANCAKES. ONLY THE MIGHT OF WAFFLES IS FIT TO COMMAND THE HORDE! LOK'TAR O'GAR!" |
| 03:25.21 | kd3 | >.< |
| 03:25.45 | Thunder_Child | you mean Lok'Tar Waf'al |
| 03:31.03 | Kraps | i use wows default raid frames, sometimes a few names/bars will be darkened and unclickable, anyone know why? |
| 03:32.34 | tekkub | because you touch yourself |
| 03:33.13 | Kraps | you dont know that for certain so shut up |
| 03:34.40 | tekkub | sure I do, have you read the known UI bugs? |
| 03:35.15 | Kraps | where do i find those? |
| 03:37.01 | Torhal | They come installed with any well-known keylogger. |
| 03:37.13 | Torhal | tekkub: :P |
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| 03:41.04 | Kraps | tekkub: |
| 03:41.28 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Quick: Farscape or Indiana Jones for my entertainment tonight? |
| 03:41.38 | Shirik | guildie just got a 207g repair bill :( |
| 03:41.59 | Kraps | Shirik: how? |
| 03:42.01 | NightHawkTheSan1 | Shirik: o_0 wearing all 226+ plate completely 0/xxx broken? |
| 03:42.10 | Shirik | I would imagine so |
| 03:42.26 | NightHawkTheSan1 | it'd almost have to be. |
| 03:44.47 | kd3 | 207!? egah |
| 03:44.55 | kd3 | I still bitch at hitting 30g |
| 03:45.29 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSan1, they dont compare |
| 03:46.22 | NightHawkTheSan1 | i wasn't asking you to compare/constrast them :P |
| 03:46.41 | NightHawkTheSan1 | i merely want to be entertained, and had decided on one of those. i went with raiders. |
| 03:46.44 | NightHawkTheSan1 | (of the lost ark) |
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| 03:47.05 | NightHawkTheSan1 | I -may- play lego indiana jones afterwards. |
| 03:47.16 | Kraps_ | THE HELL |
| 03:47.40 | NightHawkTheSan1 | kd3: cloth wearers are weaaaaaak. :P its not a good raid i didn't hit 60g+ in repairs :P |
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| 03:57.46 | Shirik | ok I figured out what it was |
| 03:58.01 | Shirik | his ret set was at 0%, his tanking set was at 30% and his pvp set was at 50% |
| 03:58.10 | Shirik | and btw, NightHawkTheSan1, I'm a cloth wearer and average 60g :( |
| 04:04.13 | Thunder_Child | i use cloth and my average is 20g |
| 04:05.40 | Shirik | well your cloth SUCKS |
| 04:05.52 | Shirik | My cloth is 100% imported from india |
| 04:05.55 | Shirik | the finest fabric |
| 04:07.26 | ccox | I dunno, my cloth keeps WTF-PWNing mail and plate wearers in BGs |
| 04:19.54 | Kraps_ | what are you, some kind mage or warlock? |
| 04:20.06 | Kraps_ | kind of* |
| 04:20.37 | Dagmar | Clothadin |
| 04:21.27 | ccox | <-- warlock |
| 04:27.25 | Recluse | What formula should I be using to find percentages of variable integer ranges? ie: What % of 235-892 is 437? Do I just need to reduce all the values by the lower bound of the range to solve, or am I thinking wrong? |
| 04:28.44 | NightHawkTheSane | i think (437-235)/(892-235) would suffice. |
| 04:29.06 | Recluse | Ah, so I was at least on the right track. Thanks |
| 04:29.17 | NightHawkTheSane | you might be able to simplify that *shrug* |
| 04:31.07 | Recluse | :) |
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| 04:59.13 | Shirik | Pop quiz! Since it's so quiet in here |
| 04:59.29 | Shirik | You have a linked list, so a1 points to a2, a2 points to a3, a3 points to a4, etc. |
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| 04:59.36 | Shirik | You have no idea how long the list is |
| 04:59.53 | Shirik | How can you prove that the list has an end (that is, it doesn't have a loop such that, for example, a5 points to a1) |
| 05:00.43 | Thunder_Child | ask the person that made it |
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| 05:03.25 | Shirik | since I have no idea when my internet died |
| 05:03.27 | Shirik | (21:59:01) (@Shirik) Pop quiz! Since it's so quiet in here |
| 05:03.29 | Shirik | (21:59:17) (@Shirik) You have a linked list, so a1 points to a2, a2 points to a3, a3 points to a4, etc. |
| 05:03.31 | Shirik | (21:59:24) (@Shirik) You have no idea how long the list is |
| 05:03.41 | Shirik | (21:59:39) (@Shirik) How can you prove that the list has an end (that is, it doesn't have a loop such that, for example, a5 points to a1) |
| 05:04.23 | ccox | you only got one answer from Thunder_Child |
| 05:04.28 | Shirik | was it crap? |
| 05:04.48 | Thunder_Child | more or less |
| 05:04.56 | Thunder_Child | "Thunder_Child: ask the person that made it" |
| 05:05.04 | Shirik | ok so crap |
| 05:05.05 | Shirik | :P |
| 05:05.09 | Jamash | follow it, and after infinite time see if you're done |
| 05:05.10 | SuM_WuN | lol |
| 05:05.25 | Shirik | ok so Jamash get 1 point out of 1000 |
| 05:05.32 | Shirik | his solution requires infinite time |
| 05:05.32 | Jamash | yay |
| 05:05.35 | Shirik | but works |
| 05:05.51 | spanner | record the address of the first node, and then iterate through checking the adress of each node until you either fall off the end of the list or run into the start |
| 05:05.53 | Thunder_Child | so did mine |
| 05:06.08 | Jamash | there could be a loop that starts after the first node |
| 05:06.14 | Shirik | spanner: That would take infinite time |
| 05:06.21 | Shirik | er, wait |
| 05:06.22 | Shirik | I misunderstood |
| 05:06.30 | Shirik | yes, you miss the case that the loop does not go back to the start |
| 05:06.36 | Shirik | what about a1->a2->a3->a2 |
| 05:06.50 | spanner | touche |
| 05:07.07 | ScytheBlade1 | you smack whomever coded it in the first place |
| 05:07.18 | ScytheBlade1 | It'd solve a lot of problems, I'm sure |
| 05:07.18 | Jamash | the only way I can think of offhand is to create a hash / dictionary of every address in the list and look for dupes |
| 05:07.22 | Thunder_Child | ~smack Shirik |
| 05:07.22 | purl | ACTION smacks Shirik upside the head. |
| 05:07.30 | Shirik | assume said supplier is a cracker |
| 05:07.41 | Jamash | you mean someone from kentucky? |
| 05:07.42 | Shirik | he's probably slapping you for allowing a DoS |
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| 05:07.59 | Shirik | Jamash: Ok, you get 2 points out of 1000 |
| 05:08.00 | Thunder_Child | more places than just kentucky |
| 05:08.03 | Shirik | that would be the "infinite memory" solution |
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| 05:09.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Give the problem to you as homework and forget about it <-- my vote |
| 05:09.19 | Shirik | come on, this question has a great answer :( |
| 05:09.24 | Jamash | the problem can be defined as trying to find duplicates in a possibly infinite series of integers |
| 05:09.27 | Shirik | I bet Iriel knows how to solve it |
| 05:09.29 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: im thinking |
| 05:09.42 | Thunder_Child | create a virus that destroys each node as it iterates through it |
| 05:09.50 | Shirik | .. |
| 05:09.51 | Jamash | thunder_child: lawl |
| 05:09.57 | Shirik | Thunder_Child gets 3 points for being creative |
| 05:10.03 | Jamash | that would actually work |
| 05:10.06 | ScytheBlade1 | It would |
| 05:10.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Well |
| 05:10.12 | ScytheBlade1 | To a point |
| 05:10.12 | Jamash | as long as you don't mind deleting all of your data |
| 05:10.14 | Shirik | yea, assuming you don't need the data after |
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| 05:10.38 | Shirik | inc ban |
| 05:10.52 | Shirik | bah nm :( |
| 05:11.02 | Shirik | I saw randomized name... |
| 05:11.10 | Jamash | A: smack the person who coded the list for not including a length variable in the header |
| 05:11.38 | ScytheBlade1 | HEY |
| 05:11.39 | Shirik | I'll give you a hint |
| 05:11.42 | ScytheBlade1 | I claim credit to that answer |
| 05:11.47 | Shirik | you can't do it without traversing the entire list |
| 05:11.52 | Thunder_Child | are we asuming it is numbered sequentually? |
| 05:11.56 | Jamash | that much is obvious |
| 05:12.01 | Shirik | so the "infinite time" thing isn't entirely off |
| 05:12.14 | Shirik | the problem with Jamash's original solution is there's no way to determine that the end of the list WON'T be reached |
| 05:12.39 | Thunder_Child | cant you simply record the last node you were at then stop counting if you go back to a node that is less than the current one? |
| 05:12.47 | Shirik | they aren't numbered |
| 05:12.52 | Thunder_Child | ok then |
| 05:12.58 | Shirik | they're numbered in the example just for explanatory purposes |
| 05:13.27 | Arrowmaster | they are numbered but not sequencially |
| 05:13.36 | Shirik | well they all have addresses :) |
| 05:13.43 | Jamash | I have a solution but it involves traversing the list up to N times where N is the length of the list |
| 05:14.05 | Shirik | that sounds interesting |
| 05:14.06 | Jamash | actually no I don't |
| 05:14.09 | Shirik | :( |
| 05:16.03 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: so the only access to the list you have is the first entry and then you have to follow what it links to? |
| 05:16.16 | Jamash | I have a solution |
| 05:16.17 | Shirik | right, though theoretically you could store the entire list |
| 05:16.25 | Shirik | so you have access to the entire list |
| 05:16.25 | Jamash | in constant memory |
| 05:16.27 | Shirik | but |
| 05:16.30 | Jamash | and order of N time |
| 05:16.35 | Shirik | you start at the first |
| 05:16.50 | Shirik | ok go for it |
| 05:16.57 | Jamash | I want to see if anyone else thinks of it |
| 05:17.00 | spanner | set the start nodes next pointer to null and hope no-one notices the memory leak |
| 05:17.02 | Shirik | my solution is in fact O(1) memory and O(n-ish) in time |
| 05:17.26 | Shirik | it's O(n) for non-looping cases and.... |
| 05:17.46 | Shirik | no, it's always O(n) |
| 05:17.55 | Shirik | just different constants |
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| 05:23.45 | Arrowmaster | what the hell, just got disconnected from everything |
| 05:24.10 | Arrowmaster | so Shirik, this is a single linked list and not a double linked list? |
| 05:24.19 | Shirik | correct, though I see no difference if it were a doubly linked list |
| 05:26.41 | Arrowmaster | oh i see a major difference if it were a doubly/multiply linked list |
| 05:26.59 | Arrowmaster | i could do it easily then |
| 05:27.21 | Shirik | ok what's your solution for a doubly linked list? |
| 05:27.43 | Shirik | p.s. Jamash gets bonus points for having what appears to not only be a good solution, but one better than the one I had |
| 05:29.12 | Arrowmaster | for a doubly linked list, in order to have a loop in it the loop would have to be over the entire list or not exist at all, if it existed in any other form then it would be a multiply linked list instead of just a doubly linked list |
| 05:31.02 | Shirik | huh? |
| 05:31.05 | Arrowmaster | if it was a multiply linked list then you could just check the first entry to see if it has a previous link then you know it has to loop, then you go forward until either you get back to the first entry or you find an entry with more than 2 links in it, meaning 2 different nodes linked to it |
| 05:31.22 | Shirik | a1->a2->a3->a4->a5->a3 |
| 05:31.26 | Shirik | oh |
| 05:31.26 | Shirik | I see |
| 05:31.27 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: it couldnt be a proper doubly linked list if it did that |
| 05:31.31 | Shirik | a3 couldn't exist |
| 05:31.43 | Shirik | ok fine, assume a singly-linked list |
| 05:32.59 | Arrowmaster | for a singly linked list i think this usage is seriously broken and anybody that does it for more than academic purposes should be beaten into submission with a wiffle bat |
| 05:33.05 | Shirik | heh |
| 05:33.11 | Shirik | still it's an interesting problem |
| 05:33.23 | Vonhinten | not really |
| 05:34.04 | Vonhinten | there are a lot of ways to solve it, and finding the best one is pretty pointless given that the problem space is one that shouldn't happen if data is designed properly :) |
| 05:34.52 | ccox | and yet, it does happen in real world code - because not all programmers know what they're doing |
| 05:36.15 | Shirik | and yet, only one person has given me an answer of "there are a lot of ways to solve it" |
| 05:36.34 | Shirik | that implies to me it's either more complex than you give it credit, or nobody knows what they're doing |
| 05:36.43 | Arrowmaster | creating a hash as you travel along the list and checking if you have come to that address before is the only real way i can see to do it without using inf time |
| 05:36.44 | ccox | for a doubly linked list, yeah it's easy -- walk the list and verify that prev/next point to the correct items (as seen by walking the list) |
| 05:37.15 | Vonhinten | double linked is impossible.. the moment there is a loop back, it becomes infinite |
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| 05:37.35 | Shirik | Arrowmaster, there is a much better way :) |
| 05:37.38 | ccox | you can't have a loop in a doubly linked list, but you can have errors in the links |
| 05:37.39 | Shirik | O(1) in memory and O(n) in time |
| 05:37.46 | Shirik | there are now two solutions I am aware of to solve that |
| 05:37.58 | Shirik | well you could have a loop if there's errors in the links, ccox :) |
| 05:38.14 | ccox | but it can't be a loop forward AND backward |
| 05:38.15 | Arrowmaster | you can check for errors in a doubly linked list as you go though |
| 05:38.30 | Shirik | sure it could |
| 05:38.36 | spanner | what was jamash's solution? i seem o have missed it |
| 05:38.42 | ccox | I could swear I read a paper by Stepanov on this exact problem... |
| 05:38.46 | Shirik | a1->a2->a3->a4->a5->a3, a3 points back to a5 instead of a2 |
| 05:38.50 | Jamash | I sent it in a whisper |
| 05:38.54 | Shirik | that loop goes both directions, but doesn't correctly point back to a2 |
| 05:38.55 | Jamash | so as not to spoil it |
| 05:38.57 | spanner | ahh... |
| 05:39.12 | Jamash | I'm trying to implement it now but I'm running into silly errors |
| 05:39.30 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: you can detect that as soon as you reach a3 the first time though in a doubly linked list |
| 05:39.34 | spanner | too much thinking for me - securegroupheader is kicking my ass atm |
| 05:39.53 | Shirik | well sure Arrowmaster |
| 05:39.59 | Shirik | but saying that the loop is impossible is incorrect :) |
| 05:40.23 | Arrowmaster | where does a1 point back to though? |
| 05:41.50 | Shirik | NULL |
| 05:41.54 | Shirik | as always? |
| 05:42.13 | Arrowmaster | ok |
| 05:42.16 | ccox | quick way to write it: walk the list, put the addresses in a std::set, if you encounter a duplicate (address already present), you have a loop |
| 05:42.25 | Arrowmaster | so its not ment to be a circular doubly linked list but it ended up as one |
| 05:42.34 | spanner | what if the list is being used as a cirqueue? :P |
| 05:42.38 | ccox | order is O(N), but requires extra storage comparable in size to the size of the list |
| 05:42.52 | Shirik | that could require infinite memory |
| 05:42.56 | Shirik | which would be bad :) |
| 05:43.07 | Vonhinten | know your data |
| 05:43.12 | ccox | not infinite, just the same as the number of items prior to the loop |
| 05:43.16 | Shirik | I feel that O(n) in time is better than O(n) in memory |
| 05:43.44 | ccox | offhand I can't think of a way that needs less than O(n) memory |
| 05:44.01 | ccox | but I'm writing Lua code, and that isn't conducive to algorithms :-) |
| 05:44.05 | Shirik | There is at least two O(1) memory, O(n) time solution :) |
| 05:44.06 | Arrowmaster | infinite memory sounds like a memory leak to me even though i know you are meaning if the list was of infinite size which isnt really possible |
| 05:45.26 | Arrowmaster | i still dont see how this can be done in O(1) memory |
| 05:45.46 | Shirik | think outside the box :) |
| 05:45.54 | Shirik | I have to say Jamash's answer was really cool |
| 05:46.11 | Vonhinten | it's probably the same one you'd find hitting google up |
| 05:46.19 | Vonhinten | leap frogging iterators |
| 05:46.21 | Shirik | no I'm pretty sure my answer is the one google would find |
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| 05:50.51 | Shirik | yalls give up? |
| 05:50.55 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 05:51.16 | Arrowmaster | is one of your two solutions the memory address one? |
| 05:51.34 | Jamash | ah I found the bug in my test code |
| 05:52.15 | Jamash | looks like that approach doesn't quite work |
| 05:52.19 | Jamash | I'll see if I can fix it |
| 05:52.31 | Shirik | you sure? |
| 05:52.35 | Shirik | I haven't found a problem with it yet |
| 05:52.45 | Shirik | though I may have thought it through a bit more than you have |
| 05:53.33 | Arrowmaster | this is an interesting solution |
| 05:53.56 | tekkub | you know what'd be cool |
| 05:54.07 | tekkub | if there was a site that I could hit that gave me bock the current wow toc |
| 05:54.18 | Shirik | you mean like freenode? |
| 05:54.20 | tekkub | so I could integrate it into my tag script |
| 05:54.20 | Jamash | you mean like the MOTD |
| 05:54.43 | tekkub | I mean like TOC=`curl someurl` ... dos hit with TOC |
| 05:54.50 | Ackis | Fisker: |
| 05:54.51 | Ackis | Fisker: |
| 05:55.02 | Shirik | it's not hard to open an IRC connection :( |
| 05:55.03 | Ackis | r u their? |
| 05:55.09 | Ackis | (yes see what I did there?) |
| 05:55.25 | Shirik | Ackis |
| 05:55.32 | Ackis | shirik hi |
| 05:55.33 | Shirik | stop interrupting our intellectual discussion |
| 05:55.38 | Ackis | pfft |
| 05:55.39 | Shirik | Arrowmaster! What solution? |
| 05:55.43 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: so is one of your two solutions to traverse the list twice at the same time? |
| 05:55.54 | Shirik | that is part of it, yes |
| 05:56.00 | Shirik | but how do you traverse it |
| 05:56.02 | Arrowmaster | thats a cool solutions |
| 05:56.10 | Shirik | you can't just traverse it twice |
| 05:56.20 | tekkub | Shirik: not hard maybe, but not as simple as a curl |
| 05:56.27 | Ackis | is trying to track down a friend who has a very common name... it's not easy |
| 05:56.30 | Vonhinten | fast and slow iterator [01:46] <Vonhinten> leap frogging iterators |
| 05:56.33 | tekkub | if wowi put it on a page I'd just run with that :) |
| 05:56.41 | Arrowmaster | one going twice as fast as the other and checking to see if the fast one ends up passing the slow one |
| 05:56.47 | Shirik | there you go |
| 05:56.51 | Shirik | that was my solution |
| 05:56.57 | tekkub | oh oh oh I can grab it from the ui code I push to the github repo |
| 05:56.58 | Shirik | Jamash's is, admittedly, more clever though |
| 05:57.00 | tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.01 | Shirik | in that it is more efficient |
| 05:57.11 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: wowcompares used to have it, and wau broke because wowcompares went offline |
| 05:57.28 | tekkub | yea Beladona1 fucked that idea |
| 05:57.29 | Shirik | well its search time is more efficient |
| 05:57.31 | tekkub | bastard |
| 05:57.33 | Shirik | it has some extra overhead though |
| 05:57.50 | Shirik | since it's already been solved |
| 05:57.52 | Vonhinten | it'd be more efficient to go back to where the data is created and track the creation of the loop in the first place |
| 05:57.53 | Arrowmaster | Shirik: always store some node to check and occasionally reset the node to check |
| 05:57.53 | Shirik | I'll release it |
| 05:58.16 | Arrowmaster | http://ostermiller.org/find_loop_singly_linked_list.html |
| 05:58.22 | Shirik | Jamash's solution was to, on visit to a node, change its "next" pointer to the previous item |
| 05:58.26 | Shirik | instead of the next item |
| 05:58.41 | Shirik | then move on to the original "next" item and keep going |
| 05:58.45 | Arrowmaster | thats a bad solution |
| 05:58.46 | Shirik | this will essentially invert the list |
| 05:58.53 | Shirik | One of two things will happen |
| 05:58.56 | Jamash | it is an elegant and simple solution |
| 05:58.59 | Shirik | Either you reach the end of the list or you reach the beginning of the list |
| 05:59.06 | Arrowmaster | see the page i linked |
| 05:59.20 | Vonhinten | it's a solution that modifies the data to make a determination... |
| 05:59.36 | Vonhinten | I'll take a hash set over that :) |
| 05:59.46 | Jamash | "while efficient, this solution changes the list" |
| 05:59.46 | Shirik | I don't believe that site is calling that an inefficient solution, Arrowmaster |
| 05:59.56 | Shirik | Especially when they say it's inefficient, then say it's efficient |
| 06:00.01 | Arrowmaster | its calling it an unacceptable one |
| 06:00.10 | Shirik | no |
| 06:00.13 | Shirik | it's under the heading "Inefficient Solutions" |
| 06:00.19 | Jamash | it is a correct solution with side effects |
| 06:00.29 | Shirik | it is a very efficient solution with a side effect which may be ignorable |
| 06:00.44 | Arrowmaster | right, one side effect being it cannot be used for multithreaded applications |
| 06:00.55 | Shirik | using a linked list in a multithreaded application is bad enough already |
| 06:01.14 | Jamash | The real question is why would *any* modern application use a linked list for *anything* |
| 06:01.15 | Shirik | There are a million other reasons you can't do that |
| 06:01.32 | Shirik | His argument seems to only be "I want to make this sound bad so my solution sounds better" |
| 06:01.34 | Arrowmaster | right but you have to remember that less than 0.000001% of programmers can even do multithreaded applications properly |
| 06:01.36 | Vonhinten | Now THERE is an interesting question |
| 06:01.51 | Shirik | I use linked lists all the time |
| 06:01.55 | Vonhinten | Given that same problem, find the most optimal way supporting parallelism |
| 06:01.56 | Shirik | admittedly, I use a template class to implement them |
| 06:01.57 | Jamash | in what language? |
| 06:01.59 | Shirik | but linked lists are great |
| 06:02.01 | Shirik | C++ |
| 06:02.07 | Jamash | why |
| 06:02.11 | Shirik | because they're great |
| 06:02.12 | Iriel | I use them in java sometimes too |
| 06:02.14 | Shirik | very efficient |
| 06:02.17 | Jamash | for me to poop on |
| 06:02.28 | Iriel | they're very good for head/tail removals (or cursor based removals) |
| 06:02.30 | Iriel | and insertions |
| 06:02.33 | Shirik | If you only need to iterate or add at head/tail |
| 06:02.37 | Shirik | then it is the most efficient collection |
| 06:02.49 | Shirik | and this is actually very common |
| 06:02.53 | Arrowmaster | Iriel: singly linked lists? |
| 06:03.16 | Shirik | I think Java's are doubly-linked lists |
| 06:03.28 | Jamash | yeah I meant singly linked list |
| 06:03.29 | Jamash | s |
| 06:03.34 | Shirik | either way, |
| 06:03.41 | Shirik | they are very efficient |
| 06:03.49 | Shirik | when used in the correct domain |
| 06:04.00 | Shirik | if you're going to be doing a bunch of random access, it's the wrong choice |
| 06:04.17 | Shirik | or a bunch of insertion |
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| 06:04.27 | Jamash | actually I have nothing against linked lists, I have a problem with people who implement them themselves instead of using a library that handles the dirty work |
| 06:04.29 | Arrowmaster | depends on how you are inserting |
| 06:04.37 | Arrowmaster | they are fine for FILO |
| 06:04.48 | Shirik | I meant inserting at the middleo f the list |
| 06:04.51 | Shirik | esp. when you're not alreawdy there |
| 06:04.56 | Arrowmaster | right |
| 06:04.59 | Jamash | and any reasonable linked list library should prevent loops from forming in the first place |
| 06:05.04 | Jamash | or know they're there |
| 06:05.07 | Shirik | I already addressed the head/tail insertion: (23:02:21) (@Shirik) If you only need to iterate or add at head/tail |
| 06:05.31 | Shirik | (23:05:06)  -› Netsplit (brown.freenode.net ‹-› irc.freenode.net) 1 quits: vithos |
| 06:05.31 | Shirik | Most epic netsplit of all time |
| 06:06.27 | Shirik | anyway, as much as I hate Java's generics, they did implement their collections quite well |
| 06:07.28 | Jamash | I hate java full stop |
| 06:07.29 | Vonhinten | I'm quite pleased with all of .Net's generic and non-generic containers |
| 06:07.29 | Shirik | I hate their non-generic containers |
| 06:07.35 | Shirik | because they decided to name them EXACTLY THE SAME |
| 06:07.35 | Shirik | what the fuck is this |
| 06:07.45 | Jamash | I'm trying to learn android programming and the fact that I have to use java is killing my soul |
| 06:08.26 | Jamash | the first time I ran into the "how I convert collection of Integer to collection of int" problem I wanted to kill someone |
| 06:08.48 | Vonhinten | CLR got that one right at least |
| 06:08.56 | Shirik | yes, CLR has true generic support |
| 06:09.08 | Arrowmaster | whats the difference between a collection of Integer and int? |
| 06:09.15 | Vonhinten | in java, a lot :) |
| 06:09.17 | Jamash | I mean list of int |
| 06:09.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Quite a bit |
| 06:09.21 | Jamash | you can't have a collection of int |
| 06:09.27 | Jamash | because int is not an object type |
| 06:10.01 | Jamash | you have to wrap ints in Integer objects to do anything object-ish with them |
| 06:10.02 | Shirik | the fun part is when you get into dealing with polymorphic types in collections |
| 06:10.05 | Jamash | argh |
| 06:10.37 | spanner | trying to convert between ints and enums in java makes me want to kill puppies (and i really love puppies) |
| 06:10.38 | Jamash | ugh |
| 06:10.45 | Shirik | especially when you get into something like you have a Collection<? extends Foo> |
| 06:10.49 | Iriel | spanner: Why? |
| 06:10.50 | Shirik | and Bar extends Foo |
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| 06:11.04 | Shirik | but you have no way of telling if it's a Collection<Bar> or a Collection<Foo> that has a bunch of Bars |
| 06:11.05 | Iriel | spanner: java makes that easy with .ordinal() and .values() |
| 06:11.26 | Jamash | see this is why taking a static language and trying to add object-orientation to it is a bad idea |
| 06:11.42 | spanner | ya - i just prefer doing (int) enum - too much typing ;) |
| 06:12.17 | Shirik | and you can't instantiate template types from generics either :( |
| 06:12.41 | Jamash | I don't like programming in languages with dissociative identity disorder |
| 06:12.42 | spanner | anyways - i have a question regarding SecureGroupHeader |
| 06:12.44 | Shirik | template class Foo<T> { public T makeMeAT() { return new T(); } } |
| 06:12.48 | Shirik | ^ not possible in Java :( |
| 06:13.02 | Shirik | well, I guess it's possible with reflection |
| 06:13.07 | Shirik | maybe? |
| 06:13.12 | Shirik | I'm not quite sure |
| 06:13.21 | Vonhinten | Good luck with that |
| 06:13.22 | Shirik | can you do typeof(T)? |
| 06:13.28 | Shirik | er, T.class |
| 06:13.30 | Shirik | mixing languages :/ |
| 06:13.31 | Vonhinten | not that I'm aware of |
| 06:13.44 | Vonhinten | I'm pretty sure C# doesn't like that |
| 06:13.47 | Shirik | It does |
| 06:14.01 | Shirik | You simply have to provide an additional constraint |
| 06:14.15 | Shirik | template class Foo<T> where T:new() { public T makeMeAT() { return new T(); } } |
| 06:14.29 | Shirik | enforces that any T has a constructor with no args |
| 06:15.03 | Shirik | C++ supports it simply because it's valid until compiled :) |
| 06:15.06 | Vonhinten | Thought C# bitched at me the last time I tried to get the typeof(T) |
| 06:15.11 | Shirik | well you don't need to |
| 06:15.18 | Shirik | you just do "new T();" |
| 06:15.44 | Shirik | Java's problem is that it strips out template parameters (there's a term for that...) |
| 06:15.45 | Vonhinten | was thinking more from the reflection side |
| 06:15.46 | Shirik | CLI retains that information |
| 06:15.52 | Iriel | Java's templates are entirely compile time, that's the issue |
| 06:16.00 | Iriel | they have no runtime presence |
| 06:16.03 | Shirik | right |
| 06:16.08 | Shirik | personally, I consider that a hack |
| 06:16.13 | Shirik | but that's just me |
| 06:16.21 | Jamash | so wait, they're c++ templates with a fresh coat of paint? |
| 06:16.27 | Iriel | I find it intermittently irritating |
| 06:16.29 | Iriel | Jamash: no |
| 06:16.38 | Iriel | Jamash: C++ templates created an instance per type |
| 06:16.48 | Shirik | CLI does that too, actually |
| 06:16.54 | Iriel | Jamash: Java's is essentially syntactic sugar + consistency checks to ensure type safety |
| 06:16.59 | Shirik | I think he meant C# |
| 06:17.24 | Jamash | I think I meant c++, java predates c# |
| 06:17.35 | Shirik | no |
| 06:17.39 | Jamash | being that c# is java with a fresh coat of paint |
| 06:17.41 | Shirik | what were you referring to that is the "fresh coat of paint" |
| 06:18.05 | Shirik | no, C# is C++ with a fresh coat of paint, I would say is true |
| 06:18.10 | Shirik | (for templates) |
| 06:18.32 | Jamash | I like languages where I can put any damn thing I want in a container and have it know what type it is |
| 06:18.53 | Shirik | anyway, Java has this strange issue with generics where all of the generic functionality is only verified at compile time |
| 06:18.56 | Iriel | Java does that just fine |
| 06:19.17 | Shirik | It is theoretically possible to inject something invalid into a container |
| 06:19.23 | Shirik | and the VM will ignore it |
| 06:19.27 | Iriel | Right |
| 06:19.29 | Iriel | there's a note |
| 06:19.34 | Shirik | until sometime later when you actually try to use it (probably as the wrong type) |
| 06:19.47 | Iriel | *IF* all the code compiled doesn't ignore cast issues your code is guaranteed to be safe |
| 06:20.02 | Iriel | (They word it far better than that) |
| 06:20.04 | Jamash | I can have a container in Java that contains strings, numbers, and objects? In the same container? Without predeclaring which element is what type? |
| 06:20.10 | Iriel | Yes |
| 06:20.13 | Iriel | List<Object> |
| 06:20.16 | Shirik | sure, Container<Object> |
| 06:20.19 | Jamash | interesting |
| 06:20.26 | Shirik | Collection*( |
| 06:20.28 | Shirik | whatever |
| 06:20.34 | Shirik | however, that comes with a caveat |
| 06:20.53 | Jamash | I took my last java class about seven years ago so all my knowledge is out of date |
| 06:20.55 | Shirik | Container<Object> foo = new Container<string>(); |
| 06:20.57 | Shirik | that's illegal |
| 06:21.07 | Iriel | You CAN write java collection classes that ENFORCE typesafety |
| 06:21.10 | Shirik | despite the fact that String is an object |
| 06:21.18 | Iriel | With generics |
| 06:21.29 | Iriel | You just need to make sure they have a constructor that requires Class<T> to be passed in |
| 06:21.52 | Shirik | Container<? extends Object> foo = new Container<String>(); // this is legal, but will begin to restrict your functionality |
| 06:22.16 | Shirik | foo.Add() (or whatever the method is called) will no longer be usable, for example |
| 06:22.21 | Shirik | with good reason, of course |
| 06:23.53 | Shirik | Iriel: How would you implement type safety? |
| 06:24.04 | Shirik | We've already gone over you don't really have access to "T" as a type inside the class |
| 06:24.14 | Shirik | I'm not really saying this as a "you're wrong" I'm genuinely curious |
| 06:24.23 | Iriel | As I said, you make sure when instances are created, a class reference is passed in |
| 06:25.33 | Iriel | class SafeCollection<T> { .... SafeCollection(Class<T> verifyClass) ... } |
| 06:25.39 | Shirik | ah |
| 06:25.50 | Shirik | I'm not entirely sure I like that solution, but ok :) |
| 06:25.53 | Jamash | that sounds effective, yet dumb |
| 06:25.57 | Iriel | You dont have to like it, it works 8-) |
| 06:26.12 | Shirik | yeah but as a complete outsider |
| 06:26.19 | Shirik | I would say "why the heck do I have to specify the type twice" |
| 06:26.52 | Iriel | Once is for the compiler |
| 06:26.55 | Iriel | Once is for the runtime |
| 06:26.58 | Shirik | well yes, we know that |
| 06:27.03 | Shirik | but take average joe that knows nothing about generics |
| 06:27.07 | Iriel | Java generics may be a hack, but they're nice because they're "transparent" to the runtime |
| 06:27.20 | Iriel | The average joe should NEVER WRITE THEIR OWN GENERICS CLASSES |
| 06:27.23 | Iriel | Simple. |
| 06:27.26 | Shirik | but he's using it |
| 06:27.30 | Iriel | You can use generics as an adverage joe |
| 06:27.40 | Shirik | and when he's using it, he would be sitting there like "wtf is this constructor for" |
| 06:27.43 | Iriel | You only run into trouble if you start ignoring warnings |
| 06:27.45 | Shirik | Hell, I was like that at one point |
| 06:27.53 | Shirik | When I was trying to use the ToArray() method in ArrayList |
| 06:27.54 | ccox | the average joe shoud never write their own programming language, but they did. |
| 06:28.01 | Shirik | and I was like "why the hell do I have to pass in an array" |
| 06:28.08 | Shirik | and "why does it return object if I don't pass in an array" |
| 06:28.17 | Shirik | now I know why, but back then it seemed very odd |
| 06:29.39 | Shirik | wait |
| 06:29.42 | Shirik | ChanServ isn't here |
| 06:29.44 | Shirik | let the takeover begin! |
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| 06:48.45 | Torhal | stabs Fisker. |
| 06:48.54 | Torhal | "A character with that name already exists." |
| 06:48.57 | Torhal | Fuuuuuu! |
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| 07:07.38 | Fisker | baw Torhal |
| 07:07.45 | Fisker | i was like "zzzz" |
| 07:07.50 | Fisker | and i was zzz'ing all nice and stuff |
| 07:08.06 | Fisker | and then i feel this huge pain in my leg and i don't zzz anymore :( |
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| 07:08.48 | Fisker | stupid cramps |
| 07:23.09 | Torhal | Fisker: That's what happens when I stab you. Didn't you know? |
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| 07:30.20 | Thunder_Child | we know it's that time of the month for you Fisker |
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| 07:44.09 | Industrial | hm |
| 07:44.21 | Industrial | in sc2 can you give worker units commands after they build something |
| 07:44.34 | Industrial | after they start building |
| 07:44.39 | Industrial | that'd be an improvement :p |
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| 07:52.15 | Fisker | sauce Industrial |
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| 07:53.32 | ZorbaBeta | I always liked the TA/Supcom method where you could just give units huge queues of things to do |
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| 07:54.01 | ZorbaBeta | although honestly I want a real realtime strategy game, not a realtime tactics game which is pretty much what all current RTSes are |
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| 07:55.47 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaBeta, whats an RTS to you then? |
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| 07:56.31 | ZorbaBeta | thunder, strategy, not tactics. anytime you're commanding units to do specific things in combat, that's tactics. strategy is a more overall thing |
| 07:56.54 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaBeta, i meant the name of a game |
| 07:57.08 | ZorbaBeta | I don't know of any that have actually succeeded in it |
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| 07:57.20 | ZorbaBeta | Supreme Commander tried and failed pretty badly, though I had hopes for it |
| 07:58.07 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaBeta, well by the strict interpretation then Sim City would be an RTS |
| 07:58.37 | ZorbaBeta | I disagree - in simcity you're placing individual chunks of road. Also, there's no combat. :P |
| 07:58.58 | Thunder_Child | to make it a proper RTS in your opnion you would not controll any units |
| 07:59.05 | ZorbaBeta | (although I will admit it's a better example than many) |
| 07:59.12 | ZorbaBeta | no, that's not what I said at all |
| 07:59.14 | Fisker | GPG is pretty used to fail btw now |
| 07:59.17 | Fisker | by* |
| 07:59.26 | ZorbaBeta | I said you do not command units to do specific things in combat. I shouldn't be telling individual units "hey shoot that guy" |
| 07:59.40 | ZorbaBeta | on the other hand, telling an army "go defend this position" is totally fine. |
| 08:00.11 | ZorbaBeta | really, what I want is a game where I can tell several groups "do synchronized attacks on their base from these locations, go" and have confidence that they won't do it stupidly. meanwhile, I can go focus on more interesting stuff than micromanagement |
| 08:00.49 | ZorbaBeta | (the only real exception to "control single units" is single superpowerful units - like, commanding artillery to take out specific buildings isn't exactly a problem) |
| 08:01.18 | ZorbaBeta | (but I still want a button labeled "fire at will" that autotargets intelligently and not stupidly) |
| 08:01.24 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaBeta, but you wouldnt tell them where/how, you would simply say 'you units attack this palce' and expect them to do it intelligently |
| 08:01.50 | ZorbaBeta | thunder, *shrug* you can draw the line in a lot of places. I mean, if you take it to an extreme, you start the game, command your units to win, and then go get a sandwich while the game plays for you |
| 08:01.52 | ZorbaBeta | obviously this is not fun |
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| 08:02.33 | ZorbaBeta | I feel like the current breed of RTSes puts you in an environment where you should be making strategic decisions, then forces you to make a pile of tactical decisions. My performance in the game should, IMHO, not be bottlenecked on how fast I can click. |
| 08:02.36 | Thunder_Child | turn risk into realtime and thats what you are talking about |
| 08:02.42 | ZorbaBeta | it should be bottlenecked on psychology and intelligence |
| 08:02.46 | Fisker | trips over ZorbaBeta |
| 08:03.14 | ZorbaBeta | Roughly, yes. Although I want some more interesting flavor than Risk has, and I'd prefer something that doesn't have homogenous "zones". |
| 08:05.07 | Adys | !api minimap |
| 08:05.07 | lua_bot | Found 19 possible matches for 'minimap'. Please be more specific |
| 08:05.10 | Adys | !api minimapui |
| 08:05.10 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'minimapui'. |
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| 08:19.49 | jnwhiteh | Adys: whatcha looking for? |
| 08:20.15 | Adys | minimapcluster |
| 08:20.16 | Adys | the name |
| 08:20.17 | Adys | got it |
| 08:26.14 | jnwhiteh | yawns |
| 08:28.18 | Adys | anyone knows where the images for arena pts and alliance/horde icons are? |
| 08:28.25 | Adys | if poss 64px |
| 08:31.34 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser ? :P |
| 08:32.19 | Shirik | hi jnwhiteh |
| 08:32.23 | jnwhiteh | ohai |
| 08:33.17 | Fisker | baww jnwhiteh :( |
| 08:33.22 | Fisker | i was sleeping so well |
| 08:33.24 | Adys | thats nice |
| 08:33.26 | Fisker | and then i had to get the cramps |
| 08:33.47 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: i have that sometimes, in my calf =( |
| 08:33.48 | Cairenn | Fisker: stop your bitching, you don't know from cramps! |
| 08:34.49 | Adys | I need a decent icon for honor points |
| 08:35.01 | Adys | Im yanking it on a black background icon bg |
| 08:35.05 | Adys | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser/PvPRankBadges.list |
| 08:37.00 | Adys | btw jnwhiteh I dont know which converter you're using but it seems to have some issues with colors: http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser/CURSOR.list |
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| 08:38.06 | jnwhiteh | Adys: it's foxlit's |
| 08:38.28 | jnwhiteh | whats thw wrong color there tho? |
| 08:38.40 | Adys | the blue cursors |
| 08:38.54 | jnwhiteh | what color should they be? |
| 08:39.04 | Adys | like the hearthstone |
| 08:39.22 | Adys | the mining pick should be more brownish |
| 08:40.18 | jnwhiteh | yeah it's foxlit's. |
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| 08:40.31 | Adys | just sayin! |
| 08:40.46 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 08:41.04 | Adys | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser/OPTIONSFRAME.list |
| 08:41.08 | Adys | awwwhhhh |
| 08:41.13 | Adys | the old optionsframe bullshit. |
| 08:41.19 | Adys | man was it just bad. |
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| 08:42.54 | jnwhiteh | hehe |
| 08:46.52 | Adys | http://wowprogramming.com/utils/artbrowser/FlavorImages.list |
| 08:46.54 | Adys | where are those used? |
| 08:47.01 | Shirik | Cairenn |
| 08:47.04 | Shirik | why the fuck are you still awake |
| 08:47.44 | Shirik | that's right, act like you're asleep now. I SEE THROUGH YOUR FACADE |
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| 08:47.47 | Cairenn | because I'm not asleep? |
| 08:47.58 | Adys | she got you there |
| 08:48.06 | Shirik | go to sleep :( |
| 08:48.40 | Shirik | you need to take care of yourself |
| 08:49.30 | Cairenn | and why are /you/ still awake? |
| 08:50.07 | Shirik | Hey |
| 08:50.10 | Shirik | I'm on the west coast now |
| 08:50.12 | Shirik | It's only 2 AM here |
| 08:50.17 | Shirik | it's _5 AM_ for you |
| 08:53.53 | Bruners | what is the expertise cap for dps? |
| 08:55.36 | Slafsinator | 6,5%? |
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| 09:17.41 | Adys | Could I have some opinions on the icons used? http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/43307/arena-points/ http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/43308/honor-points/ |
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| 09:30.55 | Shirik|zZz | what the crap is this |
| 09:31.10 | Shirik|zZz | "Pandora is conducting system maintenance. Please try thumbing this song next time you hear it." |
| 09:31.17 | Shirik|zZz | What if I never hear it again T_T |
| 09:31.26 | Torhal | ... |
| 09:31.31 | Torhal | That is a bit fucked. |
| 09:31.35 | Wobin | Adys: it's a bit messy |
| 09:32.01 | Adys | if its the badge of justice icon refresh |
| 09:32.02 | Wobin | Adys: you'd be better off tablulating the data |
| 09:32.30 | Adys | forget the layout, i need an opinion on icons :P |
| 09:32.52 | Adys | I still lack the tabviews before I can make some tables |
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| 09:33.58 | Wobin | how do you mean 'opinion on the icons'? |
| 09:34.12 | Adys | they arent the ingame ones because those are too small |
| 09:34.21 | Adys | I need an opinion on whether the ones i picked are a good choice :P |
| 09:34.33 | Adys | are they recognizable? |
| 09:34.41 | Wobin | ah |
| 09:34.59 | Wobin | you really can't get a decent sized arena point icon? =\ |
| 09:35.06 | Wobin | and honor? |
| 09:35.13 | Adys | nope but the arena one is fine no? |
| 09:35.33 | Wobin | hm, could get confusing. |
| 09:35.41 | Wobin | for the honor, why not just use the faction badges? |
| 09:36.06 | Adys | too small, and if i resize them to 64x, once resized back to 16x they're WAY unrecognizable |
| 09:36.43 | Adys | http://wowprogramming.com/BlizzArt/Icons/Achievement_PVP_H_A.png i could use this one |
| 09:41.23 | Wobin | http://www.wowwiki.com/File:Achievement_BG_winWSG.png maybe also? |
| 09:41.36 | Adys | thought about it |
| 09:41.43 | Wobin | but I don't think the badge of heroism is a good icon =\ |
| 09:41.48 | Adys | what? |
| 09:41.50 | Wobin | not for points |
| 09:41.52 | Adys | full refresh :P |
| 09:42.07 | Adys | [12:32:00] <Adys> if its the badge of justice icon refresh |
| 09:42.10 | Wobin | aha, there we go |
| 09:42.45 | Fisker | alliance honor is unacceptable |
| 09:42.52 | Adys | find me a better one |
| 09:43.51 | Fisker | horde of course :P |
| 09:45.33 | Wobin | So, who would like an invite to the HoN beta? |
| 09:45.40 | Fisker | your mom |
| 09:46.12 | Wobin | Her computer probably won't handle it =( |
| 09:46.13 | theorbtwo | HoN? |
| 09:46.42 | Adys | heroes of newert |
| 09:46.43 | Adys | h |
| 09:47.01 | Fisker | it's a dota clone |
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| 09:49.11 | jnwhiteh | anyone up for an HoN game? |
| 09:49.24 | jnwhiteh | 1v1? |
| 09:49.25 | jnwhiteh | 2v2? |
| 09:49.30 | jnwhiteh | for practice purposes |
| 09:50.16 | Fisker | naw |
| 09:50.19 | Fisker | you're a jerk :( |
| 09:50.29 | jnwhiteh | k =( |
| 09:50.36 | jnwhiteh | and why is that? |
| 09:50.53 | Fisker | you made us lose our last game |
| 09:51.01 | jnwhiteh | oh, i did did i |
| 09:51.01 | jnwhiteh | k |
| 09:51.20 | Fisker | not me at all |
| 09:51.46 | jnwhiteh | well i /sincerely/ apologize. |
| 09:52.01 | jnwhiteh | i regret that I could have done something so distasteful to Sir Fisker_Q |
| 09:52.56 | Fisker | >:E |
| 09:59.30 | Industrial | jnwhiteh: yes, you and me :P rebooting |
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| 10:32.20 | jnwhiteh | Industrial: okay, after I finish this next game |
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| 10:52.36 | bleeter | http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2009/jul/24/bacteria-computer |
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| 11:01.07 | Wobin | hehe |
| 11:01.08 | Wobin | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/4429218f6bad93c695d5fcf872d095b4.png |
| 11:01.57 | Fisker | not even a musclecontraction |
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| 12:18.45 | augustl | where did the download link go on wowcompares.com? :O |
| 12:19.21 | augustl | http://wowcompares.com/3139947, for instance. Can't click the download button, nor any of the files in the file tree |
| 12:21.19 | augustl | are you supposed to be able to download from wowcompares.com? |
| 12:21.24 | augustl | if not, where else can I download it?= |
| 12:22.35 | foxlit | ~framexml |
| 12:22.36 | purl | somebody said framexml was Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit: http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21465 or view it online at http://wowprogramming.com/utils/xmlbrowser |
| 12:23.48 | augustl | thanks! |
| 12:23.49 | augustl | who runs wowcompares.com? Needs a stabbin' for having a unclickable download link. |
| 12:24.58 | augustl | ugh, the blizz download is an .exe that errors with "world of warcraft could not be found" >< |
| 12:25.17 | augustl | just wants that simple .zip download wdn.wowinterface.com used to have |
| 12:32.54 | foxlit | Place it in your WoW directory. |
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| 12:40.00 | augustl | wow, there's a separate event for TIME_PLAYED_MSG. |
| 12:40.28 | augustl | blizzard seems to prefer events over function calls |
| 12:41.01 | foxlit | There's a very trivial reason behind that. |
| 12:42.07 | augustl | makes it pretty hard to hook all chat messages, though, you have to know about lots of events |
| 12:43.03 | augustl | it all boils down to theframe:AddMessage, but that's just the string, no metadata about which channel it's in and so on |
| 12:43.38 | foxlit | Actually, they provide a hooking mechanism for the chat system. |
| 12:43.58 | augustl | ah, I don't know what I'm talking about then :) |
| 12:44.07 | augustl | foxlit: got a link where I can read more about that? |
| 12:44.20 | foxlit | Somewhere between event handling and actual output, so you neither have to figure out which events to hook, nor resort to addmessage hooking. |
| 12:45.00 | augustl | I don't see any calls to anything other than AddMessage in Chatframe_DisplayTimePlayed, though, hmm |
| 12:45.36 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_ChatFrame_AddMessageEventFilter |
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| 12:46.07 | foxlit | Hm, that does actually take events. |
| 12:47.13 | foxlit | And you can't hook those, I guess, since it goes through ChatFrame_OnEvent -> ChatFrame_SystemEventHandler, rather than _MessageEventHandler. |
| 12:47.53 | augustl | it's solvable though, I just have to grok what's happening in ChatFrame.lua ; ) |
| 12:51.15 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/virus.png |
| 12:52.08 | Wobin | ~x de en Freund in der Höhe |
| 12:52.17 | Wobin | =( |
| 12:52.42 | foxlit | "highs" |
| 12:54.38 | Wobin | ah |
| 12:54.43 | Wobin | Friend in High Places |
| 12:54.49 | Wobin | (friends) |
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| 12:55.11 | Wobin | hehe |
| 12:55.18 | augustl | hmm, where is ChatFrame1, ChatFrame2 etc created? Not in ChatFrame.lua, it seems |
| 12:55.18 | Wobin | war mammoth looks cool in german |
| 12:55.25 | Wobin | Kreigsmammut! |
| 12:55.51 | augustl | nvm, found it |
| 12:57.06 | mikma | i was gonna say ChatFrame.xml |
| 12:57.13 | augustl | it's in FloatingChatFrame.xml |
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| 13:00.36 | mikma | http://www.annakie.com/WoW/shot8.jpg |
| 13:00.41 | mikma | oh i wish those still existed |
| 13:01.43 | Wobin | what's a level 14 doing in felwood? =P |
| 13:01.48 | Lopeppeppy | That looks extremely painful. |
| 13:02.37 | Wobin | also... what -class- are they? |
| 13:02.59 | foxlit | That's an orc with a shield with a lightning shield. |
| 13:03.02 | foxlit | hurray shamans! |
| 13:03.08 | foxlit | There are also two ghost wolves. |
| 13:03.14 | augustl | haha what are those? |
| 13:03.22 | Wobin | some weird icons on the actionbar for a shammy |
| 13:03.57 | mikma | http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/3500/screenshot100hm9.png |
| 13:04.23 | Wobin | terrible clipping |
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| 13:04.31 | foxlit | wru AA? |
| 13:04.42 | foxlit | And he's kind of small. |
| 13:04.45 | foxlit | Is that a gnome? |
| 13:06.53 | augustl | grr, where's the video below! http://www.wowwiki.com/Guardian_of_Blizzard |
| 13:07.01 | augustl | oh, there it was. Below. |
| 13:07.04 | augustl | >< |
| 13:07.55 | mikma | http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee170/imaginary2/WoWScrnShot_050904_061554.jpg?t=1245209886 |
| 13:07.58 | mikma | hahaa |
| 13:08.55 | augustl | mikma: haha, put 'em all up somewhere! |
| 13:09.10 | augustl | a collection of pre 1.0 screenshots would rock |
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| 13:09.59 | mikma | http://www.mmowned.com/forums/wow-exploration/238058-world-warcraft-alpha-beta-stage.html |
| 13:10.03 | mikma | there you go |
| 13:10.10 | mikma | might need login, who knows |
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| 13:23.55 | Wobin | rofl |
| 13:23.59 | Wobin | mage with lesser invis =) |
| 13:24.18 | Wobin | also, interfaction communication =) |
| 13:24.23 | mikma | yeah :) |
| 13:24.33 | mikma | i think the player uses Cosmos in that picture? |
| 13:27.19 | Wobin | hehe |
| 13:27.28 | Wobin | "Jumping while riding the Ironforge Elevator may result in DEATH" |
| 13:27.39 | Lopeppeppy | Ironforge elevator. :) |
| 13:27.59 | Wobin | and Gadgetzan looks cool without the walls |
| 13:29.56 | Wobin | I wonder what class http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2001/pc/rpg/w0w/wow_screen008.jpg is |
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| 14:06.42 | Kraps | your new balance is... zero dollars and... zero cents |
| 14:08.33 | bluspacecow | and |
| 14:08.34 | bluspacecow | 1 |
| 14:08.37 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.42 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:08.48 | bluspacecow | see i made you richer |
| 14:08.57 | Kraps | wat |
| 14:09.09 | bluspacecow | hai |
| 14:09.35 | Kraps | hai ther |
| 14:10.01 | bluspacecow | im scanning the EU PTR forums for possible fixs for PTR problems |
| 14:10.05 | bluspacecow | its worse on there |
| 14:10.17 | bluspacecow | so many threads i can't answer but i has the solution! |
| 14:10.20 | cbreak | ptr problems? the ptr is the problem |
| 14:10.22 | cbreak | damn mage nerfs :( |
| 14:10.46 | Kraps | lolololol warriors |
| 14:10.53 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:12.36 | Kraps | AMG BATTLE SHOUT GOT BUFFED, IT HAS 10 YARDS MORE RANGE!!!!111 |
| 14:12.59 | bluspacecow | so you can wipe raids at 10 more extra yards |
| 14:13.04 | bluspacecow | *yay* \o/ |
| 14:13.40 | bluspacecow | even funnier.... make sure your guild/raid doesn't know about and pull at 10 extra yards more then they expect ! |
| 14:13.46 | bluspacecow | keep them on their toes |
| 14:15.52 | Slafsinator | what nerfs cbreak? |
| 14:16.00 | bluspacecow | at least on the US PTR forums you get people posting solutions |
| 14:16.09 | bluspacecow | not so on the EU forums -_- |
| 14:16.12 | cbreak | the t7 nerf, the mana regen nerf |
| 14:16.50 | Slafsinator | who cares about t7 when people will be sporting t9? :) |
| 14:17.00 | cbreak | because t9 sucks compared to t7 |
| 14:17.05 | cbreak | at least the old t7 :/ |
| 14:17.07 | Slafsinator | Right. |
| 14:17.10 | Stanzilla | mage nerfs... |
| 14:17.18 | Stanzilla | yes living bomb on 239482394873 targets is a nerf :( |
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| 14:17.39 | cbreak | the old set bonus was great. and they nerf it :( |
| 14:17.44 | Kraps | mages die first in raids anyway so whats the difference? |
| 14:17.49 | A-KO | they do? |
| 14:17.51 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:17.55 | cbreak | no. tanks die first. |
| 14:17.56 | A-KO | you must play with some terribly bad mages |
| 14:18.14 | A-KO | and who cares cbreak it's tier 7...it's old and crap..... :P |
| 14:18.15 | ZorbaBeta | in my experience the DPS invariably dies first |
| 14:18.19 | cbreak | mages go invis and drink tea with the rogues while wipe recovery :) |
| 14:18.20 | ZorbaBeta | except in the rare case where the healers die first |
| 14:18.26 | A-KO | ZorbaBeta: rogues that occasionally pull aggro and get melee'd sure |
| 14:18.38 | cbreak | there isn't realy much better gear in ulduar |
| 14:18.42 | A-KO | uuuuh |
| 14:18.46 | A-KO | you keep telling yourself that cbreak |
| 14:18.47 | cbreak | most are stacked with useless hit |
| 14:18.53 | cbreak | or semi-useful crit |
| 14:18.56 | ZorbaBeta | (and the also-rare case where the tanks don't get healed for like six seconds straight and then die) |
| 14:19.23 | Kraps | [10:18:31]<ZorbaBeta>except in the rare case where the healers die first = mages, locks, hunters, arms warriors |
| 14:19.38 | A-KO | cbreak: for one, you do know that the first fight in Ulduar actually relies on your gear item level to help you push out DPS, right? So you could wear all priest gear in t8.5 and still put out more DPS than someone in full t7.5 of your set :P |
| 14:19.41 | Kraps | er wrong quote |
| 14:19.56 | Kraps | [10:18:25]<ZorbaBeta>in my experience the DPS invariably dies first |
| 14:20.11 | cbreak | you can't wear priest t8 |
| 14:20.16 | cbreak | only priests can get that |
| 14:20.20 | A-KO | you don't get my point do you |
| 14:20.22 | A-KO | guess not |
| 14:20.41 | A-KO | tbh blizzard needs to nerf the set bonuses :P all around |
| 14:20.48 | ZorbaBeta | kraps, meh, all of the dps seems to be equally adept at dying in ridiculous ways |
| 14:20.58 | cbreak | I guess you don't know much about usefullness of stats |
| 14:21.01 | A-KO | the bonuses are usually way too good, or change the way someone plays to the point that they don't want to give it up for items with better stats |
| 14:21.14 | cbreak | yeah, because those items aren't better |
| 14:21.20 | A-KO | but usually the items are better, whether it be more HP for surviveability or more intellect for longer sustainability in fights |
| 14:21.34 | cbreak | no |
| 14:21.41 | cbreak | they aren't better because the set bonus gives more dps |
| 14:21.45 | cbreak | than the stats would |
| 14:21.47 | Pneu^ | have you ever raided past naxx, A-KO? :o |
| 14:22.00 | A-KO | yes Pneu^ |
| 14:22.14 | A-KO | cbreak: not anymore :P |
| 14:22.22 | cbreak | unfortunately |
| 14:22.26 | cbreak | because blizard hates mages :( |
| 14:22.48 | Slafsinator | cbreak: so, t7.5 vs t9 http://ptr.wowhead.com/?compare=40415:40416:40417:40418:40419;47748:47749:47750:47751:47752 |
| 14:22.48 | Kraps | cbreak: inorite |
| 14:22.51 | Slafsinator | qq more |
| 14:23.02 | A-KO | that said, in a direct comparison of 8.5 to 7.5 mage sets you get 32 more int, 1 more stam, 7 haste, 114 hit, 123 SP. This ultimately means you can gem out of hit and gem more in other stats if needed. |
| 14:23.12 | A-KO | yeah t9 is a huge jump |
| 14:23.23 | cbreak | more useless hit rating :( |
| 14:23.30 | A-KO | how is it useless? |
| 14:23.34 | Aelobin | is it possible to sell-back stuff bought with stonekeepers? |
| 14:23.37 | ZorbaBeta | nothin' wrong with hit, just means you dump hit from other pieces of gear |
| 14:23.40 | cbreak | because it's useless |
| 14:23.41 | Osagasu | Set bonus for Mage armor is useless for arcane, gg |
| 14:23.41 | A-KO | exactly ZorbaBeta |
| 14:23.42 | Osagasu | heh |
| 14:23.42 | Pneu^ | and talents |
| 14:23.54 | Osagasu | Which is the only spec that'd be using it |
| 14:24.01 | ZorbaBeta | if you're actually over cap and there's no swapping you can do, then yeah, it's useless, but that just means you need to find more hitless equipment |
| 14:24.06 | Slafsinator | cbreak: but you ignore the 106 SP and 82 haste? :) |
| 14:24.11 | cbreak | no |
| 14:24.29 | cbreak | I am already several percents over cap with hit. and blizard just adds more |
| 14:24.31 | A-KO | ZorbaBeta: I doubt there's no swapping that could be done. |
| 14:24.32 | Slafsinator | so t9 is better than t7 after all |
| 14:24.50 | ZorbaBeta | a-ko, it's possible he doesn't have any sufficiently good gear to swap into, in which case, alright, it's temporarily useless for him |
| 14:24.57 | ZorbaBeta | but yes, there's certainly alternatives |
| 14:25.16 | cbreak | and the 40% more mana from the mana gems is quite good |
| 14:25.32 | ZorbaBeta | I finally got rid of my old Naxx defense trinket. Took me forever to get the right gear for it, just thanks to RNG |
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| 14:25.34 | cbreak | there's almost no gear without +hit, unless I fight the priests for it |
| 14:25.56 | A-KO | ZorbaBeta: yes but whether or not he feels like getting those items/spending the gold on enchants/gems/whatever else does not mean that the gear to him is useless, it just means he's lazy and doesn't want to push his DPS and stats up higher :P |
| 14:26.02 | ZorbaBeta | seriously we've been farming Ignis since two weeks after Ulduar came out and we *finally* got our second tank trinket from it |
| 14:26.03 | Kraps | ZorbaBeta: name? |
| 14:26.16 | Kraps | naxx trink |
| 14:26.33 | ZorbaBeta | kraps, Repelling Charge |
| 14:26.34 | cbreak | A-Ko: you might like to run around gimped |
| 14:26.38 | ZorbaBeta | +84 def |
| 14:26.42 | cbreak | but to me, gear that doesn't improve my dps is useless |
| 14:26.46 | ZorbaBeta | drops from naxx10 thaddius/gluth |
| 14:26.52 | cbreak | (unless it looks good... then it's good for ddalaran( |
| 14:27.15 | Kraps | i still have the one from Hol |
| 14:27.28 | ZorbaBeta | cbreak, a-ko's point is that there is almost certainly gear with *less* hit which you could swap into. I know, as a tank, items of the same tier can have a 2x difference between defense ratings |
| 14:27.39 | ZorbaBeta | getting full t9 would free you to take the "less hit" options |
| 14:27.53 | A-KO | yes, like all the fucking mages rolling against me (a healer) for ironmender |
| 14:27.53 | ZorbaBeta | kraps, I never got one that. I got very lucky in getting the naxx one |
| 14:28.17 | cbreak | there isn't much |
| 14:28.31 | ZorbaBeta | although note that my spreadsheet claims the HoL trinket is actually better due to having a useful use ability |
| 14:28.33 | cbreak | I have tried quite a bit, but hit is on all items |
| 14:28.41 | A-KO | no ,it's not cbreak |
| 14:28.42 | ZorbaBeta | unlike the Repelling Charge which is pretty much worthless besides its static bonus |
| 14:28.43 | A-KO | but okay then |
| 14:28.50 | A-KO | cbreak: armory? |
| 14:28.52 | ZorbaBeta | cbreak, differente amounts of it is :P |
| 14:29.10 | cbreak | yes. But items without hit are competed with with healers |
| 14:29.11 | A-KO | ZorbaBeta: I'm still using naxx 10 trinket :( spirit world glass is just way too nice for regen :P |
| 14:29.15 | A-KO | yes cbreak? |
| 14:29.25 | A-KO | like that has never stopped DPS in the past? |
| 14:29.30 | Slafsinator | there's only two pieces of t9 with hit |
| 14:29.36 | Slafsinator | and they're not the same as t7 pieces |
| 14:29.37 | cbreak | yeah, but it makes items hard to get |
| 14:29.42 | Slafsinator | this is blatant qq |
| 14:29.43 | ZorbaBeta | all I need now is the royal seal of king llane, ha ha, yeah fuckin' right |
| 14:29.48 | A-KO | yeah Slafsinator |
| 14:30.02 | Lopeppeppy | QQ is forever, it never goes away. :) |
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| 14:30.25 | A-KO | So my question is, for those that have done the 3.2 raids, how does the loot distribution work for ilevels? |
| 14:30.56 | A-KO | like if I were to take my 25 man group into there and start knocking out normal mode, what level should I expect? |
| 14:30.57 | Kraps | ZorbaBeta: can i see your armory? |
| 14:31.25 | ZorbaBeta | kraps, not in tank gear at the moment |
| 14:31.30 | Kraps | wow, never seen that trink |
| 14:31.32 | Kraps | ok |
| 14:32.18 | ZorbaBeta | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shattered+Halls&n=zorba I just logged out in tank gear, so at some point this will update ;) |
| 14:32.56 | Kraps | a week or so |
| 14:33.09 | ZorbaBeta | it's not *that* slow :P a day at most |
| 14:33.38 | Kraps | how much did greatness cost you? |
| 14:33.49 | ZorbaBeta | 6-8k, as I remember |
| 14:33.57 | Kraps | damn |
| 14:34.21 | ZorbaBeta | it was pretty pricey, but considering that I've got the Traveler's Tundra mammoth, the 10k Hodir mammoth, and the motorcycle, it was relatively cheap |
| 14:34.33 | Kraps | ... |
| 14:34.44 | A-KO | jesus |
| 14:35.01 | ZorbaBeta | and I'm also buying darkmoon decks for The Insane :P |
| 14:35.46 | Aelobin | got the dalaran ring too? :P |
| 14:36.01 | ZorbaBeta | I think my armory shows me wearing it right now ;) |
| 14:36.15 | Aelobin | pff didn't look xD |
| 14:36.17 | ZorbaBeta | well I'll be |
| 14:36.20 | ZorbaBeta | it already updated |
| 14:36.23 | ZorbaBeta | kraps, http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shattered+Halls&n=zorba <-- tank gear |
| 14:36.45 | ZorbaBeta | I don't think I've ever seen the armory update within ten minutes before |
| 14:37.27 | cbreak | does the armory display as complete white just for me? Maybe it's caused by firefox 3.5... hmm... |
| 14:37.44 | Kraps | why dont you get the 22 stam on boots? |
| 14:37.46 | ZorbaBeta | cbreak, I've got ff3.5 also and it works fine |
| 14:37.46 | Aelobin | woo just got my 10k lifetime kills achievement on my dk =] |
| 14:37.57 | cbreak | hmm... or noscript |
| 14:38.00 | ZorbaBeta | kraps, I consider the speed bonus to be vastly more valuable than a few extra stam |
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| 14:38.15 | Kraps | are you the mt? |
| 14:38.15 | cbreak | nah, works now. strange |
| 14:38.22 | ZorbaBeta | it's 8% speed increase. Anything that gets me out of fire 8% faster is likely to save me *far* more than a mere 70hp |
| 14:38.30 | ZorbaBeta | sometimes. I sort of swap MT duty with another tank in my guild |
| 14:39.19 | ZorbaBeta | I personally feel like tuskarr's vitality should be considered mandatory for every melee spec in the game, and arguably so for every spec :P |
| 14:40.33 | Kraps | Garona probably attacked from behind, and you can't parry attacks from behind. |
| 14:40.35 | Kraps | But you can dodge. |
| 14:40.37 | Kraps | So, ironically, the Monarch Crab would have been a better trinket for King Llane. |
| 14:41.03 | Kraps | the brilliance of wowhead |
| 14:41.21 | ZorbaBeta | I'm not sure which is more terrifying |
| 14:41.22 | bluspacecow | yep yep |
| 14:41.25 | ZorbaBeta | how terrible comments on wowhead are |
| 14:41.31 | ZorbaBeta | or how much better they are than comments on thottbot |
| 14:41.39 | bluspacecow | finally accepting donations |
| 14:42.11 | bluspacecow | hmmm |
| 14:42.34 | Gnarfoz | hmm |
| 14:42.42 | Gnarfoz | ok, King Llane would probably have been an NPC |
| 14:42.43 | bluspacecow | lost my train of thought |
| 14:42.49 | Gnarfoz | because only NPCs can dodge from behind :p |
| 14:43.14 | Gnarfoz | Gnarfoz: sup, why you spyin' on me |
| 14:43.16 | Gnarfoz | :p |
| 14:43.32 | bluspacecow | wondering if you were on OS X |
| 14:43.40 | Gnarfoz | why would I be :o |
| 14:43.46 | bluspacecow | idk |
| 14:43.49 | Gnarfoz | (and why would either of Version/Time/Ping tell you :D) |
| 14:43.58 | bluspacecow | client ping |
| 14:44.06 | bluspacecow | irssi / xchat it returns |
| 14:44.44 | Gnarfoz | ah well, it used to not return xchat's reply |
| 14:44.53 | Gnarfoz | anyway, raid starts in... 1 minute, I better get online |
| 14:44.54 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 14:44.59 | bluspacecow | noes |
| 14:45.14 | ZorbaBeta | gnarfoz, go kill yogg+0 |
| 14:45.17 | Gnarfoz | ZorbaBeta: sure |
| 14:45.27 | Gnarfoz | we'll kill yogg alright, but not +0 ;P |
| 14:45.44 | ZorbaBeta | dammit you're still hugely better than my guild :P |
| 14:52.27 | Gnarfoz | ZorbaBeta: we'll see |
| 14:54.25 | Wobin | orc warlock |
| 14:54.34 | Wobin | Name choice between "Snuuker" and "Snuubydoo" |
| 14:55.02 | ZorbaBeta | gnarfoz, if you can kill yogg, you're better than my guild |
| 14:55.23 | ZorbaBeta | the only reason I haven't transferred at this point is because I'd have to change servers :( |
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| 15:03.58 | jnwhiteh | anyone up for HoN? |
| 15:04.09 | bluspacecow | HoN ? |
| 15:04.18 | jnwhiteh | ~HON |
| 15:04.32 | bluspacecow | ~fish HoN |
| 15:04.32 | purl | ACTION slaps HoN around with a large trout |
| 15:04.44 | jnwhiteh | purl HON is Heroes of Newerth, a standalone DoTA engine and clone (http://heroesofnewerth.com) |
| 15:04.45 | purl | jnwhiteh: okay |
| 15:04.59 | bluspacecow | ~HON |
| 15:05.00 | purl | rumour has it, hon is Heroes of Newerth, a standalone DoTA engine and clone (http://heroesofnewerth.com) |
| 15:05.04 | bluspacecow | ty purl |
| 15:05.37 | Cide | ~hon |
| 15:05.37 | purl | [hon] Heroes of Newerth, a standalone DoTA engine and clone (http://heroesofnewerth.com) |
| 15:06.18 | _rane | it's not a clone |
| 15:06.20 | _rane | it's a 100% copy |
| 15:06.24 | jnwhiteh | ... |
| 15:06.33 | jnwhiteh | except it doesn't use the WC3 engine |
| 15:06.39 | _rane | except that |
| 15:06.47 | jnwhiteh | well, that's pretty fucking big |
| 15:07.03 | Wobin | http://catladder.blogspot.com/ |
| 15:07.05 | bluspacecow | ~dota |
| 15:07.06 | purl | well, dota is Defense of the Ancients, a Warcraft III custom map, based on the "Aeon of Strife" map for Starcraft. http://www.dota-allstars.com/ |
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| 15:24.10 | cogumel0 | can I do something like... local createHealth = function(colors, myBoolean) ... end createhealth([1,2,3], true) |
| 15:24.44 | cogumel0 | or do I have to put the [1,2,3] in a variable before calling it on the function ? |
| 15:25.26 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 15:25.35 | Cide | your syntax is incorrect |
| 15:25.59 | cogumel0 | why ? |
| 15:26.23 | Cide | ... |
| 15:26.24 | Cide | www.lua.org/pil |
| 15:26.54 | cogumel0 | I could do myColors = {1,2,3}; createHealth(Mycolors, true) |
| 15:27.21 | cogumel0 | my question is do I need to declare the myColors or can I supply the function with the values being held by mycolors and totally ignore the creating mycolors var ? |
| 15:27.28 | ZorbaBeta | cog, createHealth({1, 2, 3}, true) -- this is probably okay |
| 15:27.29 | Cide | since when is [] the same as {}? |
| 15:28.05 | cogumel0 | then just say I did a mistake and it's {} and not [], but that other than that it's ok and I don't need to declare the var -.- |
| 15:28.18 | cogumel0 | sorry, forgot to press alt, gotta go read the whole lua manual again... sigh... |
| 15:29.03 | ZorbaBeta | it's hard to tell if you made a typo or fundamentally don't understand the material |
| 15:29.33 | bluspacecow | give a man a fish and he has 1 fish .... teach him to fish and he gets many fish |
| 15:29.49 | bluspacecow | >~~~D |
| 15:29.59 | bluspacecow | ^^^ a fishie |
| 15:30.08 | cogumel0 | my question was simple though: do I need to declare the var? he could have just said "lua supports that, but your syntax is not correct" |
| 15:30.19 | bluspacecow | heh |
| 15:30.23 | bluspacecow | that just cide |
| 15:44.48 | Aelobin | do you get wsg rep for returning a flag? |
| 15:46.31 | Jamash | I don't think so |
| 15:47.22 | cogumel0 | is it worth doing something like this: http://wowuidev.pastey.net/118621 as oppose to http://wowuidev.pastey.net/118622 or is it not to efficient ? |
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| 15:49.11 | ZorbaBeta | cog, unless you're creating a dozen health bars per second, don't worry about it |
| 15:49.25 | ZorbaBeta | (and even then you probably shouldn't worry about it) |
| 15:49.37 | cogumel0 | it was more 'cause of keeping it tidy and easy to read. |
| 15:49.57 | cogumel0 | but I dunno if it takes that much longer to read it from a table as oppose to directly from the variable |
| 15:50.20 | ZorbaBeta | it takes microseconds longer, at most, and probably far less. |
| 15:50.24 | ZorbaBeta | don't worry about it. :P |
| 15:50.51 | cogumel0 | right, I'll do it then :) thx |
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| 16:03.32 | cogumel0 | is frame:SetPoint("CENTER", nil, nil, 20, 20) the same as frame:SetPoint("CENTER", 20, 20) or can't I pass nils ? |
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| 16:04.47 | alestane | It is not the same. |
| 16:05.07 | alestane | The second nil will, I believe, be considered a usage error. |
| 16:05.48 | alestane | frame:SetPoint("CENTER", 20, 20) is equivalent to frame:SetPoint("CENTER", frame:GetParent(), "CENTER", 20, 20). |
| 16:06.31 | cogumel0 | ok, thx :) |
| 16:06.36 | alestane | frame:SetPoint("CENTER", nil, 20, 20) is legal, but will anchor frame's center 20 units above and to the right of the center of the screen. |
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| 16:08.47 | Silversage | Heyo. |
| 16:09.34 | alestane | Heyo. |
| 16:09.42 | bluspacecow | brrrr -2 C where i is |
| 16:10.34 | Silversage | (a) Is anyone here awake? (b) Does anyone in (a) use Macs for UI dev? (c) Can someone in (b) tell me what you use for version control locally, or what you do to visual your current changes from checkout? Git? Svn only? |
| 16:10.52 | Silversage | Where are you where it's -2C? |
| 16:11.04 | bluspacecow | >_> .... |
| 16:11.07 | bluspacecow | Guess ! |
| 16:11.09 | alestane | I do use a Mac, but I don't spend a lot of time doing version control. |
| 16:11.09 | bluspacecow | :D |
| 16:11.18 | Silversage | Either very far north or southern hemisphere or high altitude... |
| 16:11.54 | bluspacecow | :D |
| 16:11.56 | bluspacecow | NZ |
| 16:11.56 | Constie | In a freezer. |
| 16:11.57 | alestane | Some of my mods are kept in SVN repositories on WoWInterface. I mostly use svnX when I want to check stuff into them. |
| 16:12.48 | Silversage | I'm (temporarily) hacking on some auctioneer mods, and I just want to see that I haven't screwed something up. So a diff would be nice. |
| 16:13.26 | jnwhiteh | Silversage: i use git for everything |
| 16:13.40 | jnwhiteh | svn if its an svn based project, but git for anything i'm tracking locally |
| 16:13.46 | Silversage | jnwhiteh: On a mac? |
| 16:13.54 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 16:14.09 | Silversage | bluspacecow: Christchurch? |
| 16:14.17 | bluspacecow | nah waikato |
| 16:14.35 | Silversage | I don't know where that is. |
| 16:15.01 | Silversage | bluspacecow: Ever seen re-runs of McHale's Navy? |
| 16:15.08 | bluspacecow | nope |
| 16:15.22 | bluspacecow | waikato 1 hr south of auckland |
| 16:15.25 | bluspacecow | hamilton |
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| 16:16.54 | Silversage | American sitcom from the early 60s about a not-by-the-rules PT boat in the balmy south pacific during WW2. I saw the pilot the other day. They showed an unmarked map of NZ and pointed at the southern tip as being where McHale and his gang hung out. Hilarious. |
| 16:17.19 | bluspacecow | lolz |
| 16:17.25 | Silversage | Wow. I didn't realize Auckland environs got that cold. |
| 16:17.39 | bluspacecow | its really waikato |
| 16:17.57 | bluspacecow | ~wiki waikato |
| 16:18.03 | bluspacecow | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waikato |
| 16:18.04 | Silversage | Hell, for an American, you should be glad I know the NZ is not one of the 50 states. Sheesh! |
| 16:18.14 | bluspacecow | ..... |
| 16:18.26 | bluspacecow | oh i thought you meant i was an american |
| 16:18.31 | bluspacecow | its 51 isn't it ? |
| 16:18.34 | bluspacecow | Hawaii ? |
| 16:18.51 | Silversage | Hawaii is #50. Alaska was #49. |
| 16:19.03 | Silversage | Prior to 1958 it was the "48 states". |
| 16:19.11 | bluspacecow | ah |
| 16:19.55 | Silversage | jnwhiteh: Are you using git with a graphical shell, or just CL? |
| 16:20.06 | jnwhiteh | gl |
| 16:20.07 | jnwhiteh | cl |
| 16:20.12 | jnwhiteh | gitk if i need to see visual diffs |
| 16:20.22 | Silversage | Okay. That's where I went wrong. |
| 16:20.40 | Silversage | I like my visual toys, and couldn't get any of them to work. |
| 16:20.46 | Silversage | I'll try CL, then. |
| 16:21.32 | Silversage | I should be able to download an addon, tell git to start tracking it, and hack at the source in Interface/AddOns, no? |
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| 16:23.05 | bluspacecow | lolz zorba yet another is QH legal thread /wrists |
| 16:24.06 | ZorbaBeta | bluspace, yeah, they pop up all over the place :P |
| 16:24.23 | ZorbaBeta | it's sort of flattering in a way, honestly |
| 16:24.28 | Silversage | Why would QH not be legal? |
| 16:24.37 | ZorbaBeta | when people start asking if your product is legal, it's a sign you're doing *something* right |
| 16:24.43 | Silversage | Wait. Do I want to ask that, first? |
| 16:24.46 | bluspacecow | hhehe |
| 16:24.58 | bluspacecow | an addon thats so good people think its not legal |
| 16:25.02 | ZorbaBeta | silver, there's a few classic ones, I don't know which the new thread is |
| 16:25.22 | ZorbaBeta | standard ones include "it makes the game too easy so it must not be allowed", "it knows too much so it must be a hack" |
| 16:25.29 | bluspacecow | silver : unless you addon is comm. with the other side its legal |
| 16:25.38 | bluspacecow | and if it does all its work in lua its cool |
| 16:25.44 | Silversage | (Btw, friends call me "Sage" for short. Long story.) |
| 16:25.55 | Tuller | oh no! |
| 16:25.56 | ZorbaBeta | bluspace, with a few side issues regarding spamming and abuse, but yes, overall |
| 16:26.04 | Thunder_Child | there are others as well |
| 16:26.26 | Silversage | Speaking of "how can it do this", anyone know how Carbonite is detecting "nearby enemies"? |
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| 16:26.38 | bluspacecow | combat log |
| 16:26.39 | mikma | combatlog scanning |
| 16:26.46 | bluspacecow | and clever trigonometry |
| 16:26.52 | Silversage | Oh, wow. |
| 16:26.56 | bluspacecow | or is it geometery |
| 16:27.07 | ZorbaBeta | it uses trig? I thought a lot of it was communicating along channels |
| 16:27.15 | bluspacecow | idk |
| 16:27.24 | bluspacecow | oh and hidden addon channels |
| 16:27.29 | ZorbaBeta | last I heard it was communication. I don't know of any addon that does the trig thing |
| 16:27.38 | Silversage | Yeah, I can see how the localization code works. |
| 16:27.51 | Silversage | That must mean that the combat log is 2D based rather than 3D. |
| 16:27.51 | bluspacecow | idk i heard one had to get pitch ... but then 3.1 come out with pitch on it |
| 16:28.06 | bluspacecow | or was it 3.1.2 ? |
| 16:28.10 | bluspacecow | *shrug* |
| 16:28.30 | ZorbaBeta | I think the combat log range is 3d, but in fairness you can kind of just pretend the world is flat and go from there |
| 16:28.48 | ZorbaBeta | in all practicality it is. |
| 16:29.29 | Silversage | Zorba: Theoretically, it could use hidden channels, plus self-reporting of people running the addon to know the locus of areas an enemy might be, based on the location of Carboniters and which saw the log entries and which didn't. |
| 16:29.52 | ZorbaBeta | sage, I *believe* that's what it actually does, minus the whole locus thing - it just says "hay there's a guy near here" |
| 16:29.55 | bluspacecow | thunderwulf why do people leave their user names in their crash reports when they post them ? |
| 16:30.00 | Silversage | Zorba: I get all kinds of "Enemy detected" messages flying high over Northrend. |
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| 16:30.01 | ZorbaBeta | and it gets plopped on your map |
| 16:30.07 | ZorbaBeta | hmm, really? maybe I'm wrong then |
| 16:30.25 | ZorbaBeta | bluspace, it's better than editing all the stuff out of a crash report because "it didn't look important" |
| 16:30.30 | ZorbaBeta | I've had people edit the stack trace out |
| 16:30.33 | ZorbaBeta | like, seriously guys. |
| 16:30.36 | bluspacecow | .... |
| 16:30.51 | bluspacecow | i've had people edit out half the stack trace |
| 16:31.02 | bluspacecow | excluding the pointer address to where it crashed in memory |
| 16:31.02 | Silversage | Tbh, I hadn't realized teh combat log included proximity as wide as it apparently does. And spamming the message frankly makes little sense on a pve server. |
| 16:31.09 | bluspacecow | im talking of mac crash reports btw |
| 16:31.29 | ZorbaBeta | here, I will paste an error report straight off the QH homepage |
| 16:31.32 | ZorbaBeta | see if you can figure out what the problem is |
| 16:31.34 | ZorbaBeta | "hello, am new at Wow and also at qh, i think its a wonderful add-on heard lots of possitive feed back, and i would even think its much better if i would know how to install it, i used the install via client to install it. however when i run it, it gives me a message in the game as soon as it loads it says quest helper does not support private servers or something like that. dont know if someone else has this problem can anyone help please |
| 16:31.34 | ZorbaBeta | im running Vista. thanks." |
| 16:31.55 | A-KO | LOL |
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| 16:31.58 | bluspacecow | lets see on this crash report i got the guys full name and his toon name |
| 16:31.59 | A-KO | he fails |
| 16:31.59 | bluspacecow | wait |
| 16:32.12 | bluspacecow | tell him you dont support private servers |
| 16:32.21 | ZorbaBeta | a-ko, the best part is that I actually get crash reports that only occur if you *specifically click past several errors telling you what the problem is* |
| 16:32.31 | ZorbaBeta | and I know they did, because I check for those clicks and embed them into the crash report |
| 16:32.35 | A-KO | haha |
| 16:32.38 | A-KO | that's awesome |
| 16:32.58 | bluspacecow | i see people posting about the ptr "downloading the same patch again and again" |
| 16:33.40 | bluspacecow | and the ptr downloader would have the patch file being downloaded eg "WoW-0.2.0.10048-to-0.2.0.10072-enUS-patch.exe" and its not the same every time |
| 16:34.12 | ZorbaBeta | "the patch filename is WoW and then there's a lot of numbers" |
| 16:34.23 | bluspacecow | O_O |
| 16:34.36 | bluspacecow | "Just some friendly advice. I would never use these patch mirror sites. No matter what anyone says. |
| 16:34.36 | bluspacecow | I used one on the last patch that had issues and my account was hacked the very same night after I went to bed. You are using them at your own risk and could cause potential problems with your account." |
| 16:34.43 | bluspacecow | ummmm its an mpq file |
| 16:34.45 | ZorbaBeta | oh god, I get those all the time |
| 16:34.54 | ZorbaBeta | "Don't use QH! I downloaded it and then my account was hacked" |
| 16:35.05 | bluspacecow | explain to me how you get hacked from downloading a pre patch mpq file |
| 16:35.39 | A-KO | I blame lawn gnomes |
| 16:36.32 | A-KO | blaming someone else for problems is part of the reason we have so many problems in the first place :P |
| 16:36.35 | Silversage | "/2 [Trade] Be careful! Adelffqmrok is a spammer. If you respond to him your account will be hacked! My guildmate responded just to say ur a spammer and..." |
| 16:36.51 | A-KO | that's a good one |
| 16:36.53 | A-KO | I should try that |
| 16:36.58 | A-KO | that sounds like a good thing to do in Ulduar chat |
| 16:37.25 | ZorbaBeta | I saw a great thread about how to efficiently troll /2 |
| 16:37.39 | ZorbaBeta | the rules were that you were allowed to say one line and one line only, and were scored based on how long it took for the argument to end |
| 16:37.43 | A-KO | I just start trash talking people |
| 16:37.46 | Silversage | Oh, gawd. I bet my server has read that thread. >.< |
| 16:38.01 | ZorbaBeta | someone won by saying "obama" right before the election |
| 16:38.08 | ZorbaBeta | apparently the ensuing argument lasted almost eleven hours. |
| 16:38.08 | Silversage | Hell, my server probably *wrote* that thread. |
| 16:38.15 | A-KO | haha ZorbaBeta |
| 16:38.56 | Silversage | The longest I saw was a reference to 2 notorious /2 troller on our server: "If Pinny and Celestor were to duel, who would win?" |
| 16:39.03 | ZorbaBeta | however, before that, the two best ideas were "i dont know why anyone likes keath ledger, he was terrible in superman" and "you know why they call it the xbox 360? because when you see it you turn 360 degrees and walk away" |
| 16:39.17 | A-KO | uh |
| 16:39.19 | Silversage | Lol. |
| 16:39.22 | A-KO | 360 degrees would walk towards it :P |
| 16:39.24 | A-KO | but okay |
| 16:39.25 | A-KO | lol |
| 16:39.26 | ZorbaBeta | (I cannot take credit for the genius of either of those) |
| 16:39.32 | Silversage | Doesn't 360 turn you back towards it? |
| 16:39.37 | ZorbaBeta | congratulations a-ko, you have just been trolled by a line I typed *after telling you it was a troll* |
| 16:39.46 | Silversage | LOL |
| 16:39.54 | A-KO | :P |
| 16:39.57 | ZorbaBeta | ;) |
| 16:40.01 | A-KO | we get this one in Ulduar some math problem or some shit |
| 16:40.11 | ZorbaBeta | and yeah, that's part of the genius. it seems like the best ones are those that spawn multiple conflicting arguments |
| 16:40.13 | A-KO | and then the guy argues that it's always 0.... |
| 16:40.17 | A-KO | hmmmm |
| 16:40.20 | ZorbaBeta | a-ko, is that the repeating .999 thing, or a different one? |
| 16:40.26 | A-KO | it's like 6-6 something something |
| 16:40.28 | A-KO | I forget |
| 16:40.37 | Cide | I hear 6-6 > 0 |
| 16:40.57 | A-KO | sigh |
| 16:40.59 | A-KO | so I tell my guild |
| 16:41.06 | A-KO | don't text me for a heroic run, AIM me, because I'm over my text limit |
| 16:41.08 | A-KO | know what they do? |
| 16:41.19 | ZorbaBeta | a-ko, text you? |
| 16:41.24 | A-KO | you got it |
| 16:42.04 | Silversage | What's your cell number? |
| 16:42.50 | A-KO | lol |
| 16:42.53 | Gnarfoz | they're not forcing you to reply to them via sms, though, do they? |
| 16:45.25 | bluspacecow | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18600876375&sid=1 |
| 16:45.31 | bluspacecow | *stabs eyes out* |
| 16:45.44 | A-KO | okay ,that xbox 360 one is beautiful |
| 16:45.51 | A-KO | just did that in /2 on my realm and they're still arguing over it |
| 16:45.53 | A-KO | hmmm |
| 16:46.25 | bluspacecow | 180 is walking away |
| 16:46.37 | bluspacecow | how many are failing basic geometry ? |
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| 16:47.40 | bluspacecow | hey zek |
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| 16:50.56 | bluspacecow | wb cide |
| 16:51.41 | Zeksie | helloes |
| 16:53.55 | jnwhiteh | LOG MY KEYS PLEASE |
| 16:54.03 | jnwhiteh | IT MAKES ME FEEL SO GOOD! |
| 16:54.12 | bluspacecow | kk |
| 16:54.22 | bluspacecow | *takes out jnwhiteh's keys* |
| 16:54.27 | bluspacecow | *bashes them with a log* |
| 16:54.36 | bluspacecow | *BASH* *BASH* *BASH* |
| 16:54.40 | bluspacecow | THERE YA GO! |
| 16:55.25 | Zeksie | double checks channel name |
| 16:55.48 | ZorbaBeta | a-ko, haha, that's awesome. it really is effective, isn't it? :D |
| 17:01.19 | bluspacecow | gAAAAA I N eeed slEEps bai Gus |
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| 17:18.01 | Zyndrome | jnwhiteh , your call for keylogging was answered, but affected a guildmember of mine |
| 17:18.18 | Zyndrome | he's been hacked AGAIN for the 3rd time within like 2 weeks |
| 17:19.26 | Fisker | owned |
| 17:19.35 | Fisker | 10 times more and he might just not get helped again |
| 17:20.27 | Fisker | give me Windows 7 E :( |
| 17:23.18 | Aelobin | eurgh how long would 1525 arena points take from just hitting 80? :/ |
| 17:23.23 | Aelobin | considering levelling my DK ^^ |
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| 17:43.40 | Kraps | i want to do eoe but i dont have the achi |
| 17:43.43 | Kraps | :9 |
| 17:43.49 | Kraps | :( * |
| 17:46.46 | Thunder_Child | "you have won One Millillion in the Euromillion online sweepstakss" what number is that even? |
| 17:48.05 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W-HSRa6big <-haha danish anthem FUCK YEAH |
| 17:49.01 | Dagmar | It's a unit of nigerians |
| 17:49.07 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: i'll bet its more betterer than one milion |
| 17:51.36 | Fisker | Gnarfoz |
| 17:54.07 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: mmo-champion is a cesspool, /discuss |
| 17:54.31 | sacarasc | Bibi- is gonna get naked. |
| 17:55.32 | Fisker | fuck you Gnarfoz |
| 17:55.33 | Fisker | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W-HSRa6big <- |
| 17:55.42 | Fisker | i also hope you die Gnarfoz |
| 17:56.19 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: what's that all about |
| 17:56.31 | Gnarfoz | sacarasc: I don't care, maybe he can scare away some of the idiots, while he's at it |
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| 17:57.54 | Fisker | Gnarfoz they played the danish anthem to a spanish winner :D |
| 17:58.12 | Fisker | so he's showing of his rage face |
| 17:58.15 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: aha, I don't give a shit about .dk, .es OR the fucking tour de .fr |
| 17:58.15 | Gnarfoz | :D |
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| 17:58.24 | Gnarfoz | but I like their fuckup. |
| 17:59.03 | Fisker | i'm bored though |
| 17:59.44 | Thunder_Child | troll more |
| 18:06.30 | Fisker | you calling me a troll? |
| 18:08.12 | sacarasc | When you play Nethack, instead of an @ you're a T. |
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| 18:22.15 | Ackis | any mass effect players here? |
| 18:26.00 | Dagmar | I played it |
| 18:26.20 | Dagmar | Was it supposed to be hard? |
| 18:27.20 | Cide- | it was supposed to be good |
| 18:27.27 | Cide- | and it was |
| 18:27.28 | Ackis | no I just want their cd-key :P |
| 18:29.51 | Dagmar | Cide-: I was diappointed there was no violent sodomy |
| 18:30.01 | Dagmar | Jack Thompson promised me sodomy! |
| 18:30.06 | Cide- | this is true of every game, however |
| 18:30.10 | Dagmar | Sodomy with aliens, no less! |
| 18:33.49 | Dagmar | I'd consider it but i'm nowhere near the box |
| 18:35.40 | Shirik | tackles Cide- |
| 18:35.47 | Cide- | hi |
| 18:35.57 | Shirik | did Cide- steal Fisker's - ? |
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| 18:38.00 | Ackis | uses his force powers to make Dagmar get the key for me |
| 18:39.28 | Dagmar | Can't be done. I've got another 10 hours on shift |
| 18:44.12 | Fisker | i stole your moms virginity Shirik |
| 18:44.45 | Fisker | lol |
| 18:44.49 | Fisker | http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=185765 <-SC2 beta delayed |
| 18:48.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker: you stupid jerk |
| 18:48.22 | ScytheBlade1 | -.- |
| 18:48.48 | ScytheBlade1 | proceeds to link that to everyone he knows with the same bit of text |
| 18:48.50 | Fisker | sorry to be the bringer of bad news |
| 18:49.22 | ScytheBlade1 | ha |
| 18:49.29 | ScytheBlade1 | I got one response already |
| 18:49.30 | ScytheBlade1 | "jerk" |
| 18:50.59 | Cairenn|afk | snickers |
| 18:51.42 | Fisker | mars |
| 18:51.51 | Cairenn | kitkat |
| 18:52.15 | Fisker | m&m's |
| 18:52.22 | sacarasc | double decker. |
| 18:52.25 | sacarasc | Thus, I win. |
| 19:02.18 | Fisker | slaps sacarasc around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:02.32 | sacarasc | My Double Decker shall protect me! |
| 19:03.45 | sacarasc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Decker_(chocolate_bar) |
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| 19:14.11 | Fisker | sneaks up on sacarasc and plants a bomb |
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| 19:25.10 | Shirik | Thunder_Child: ping |
| 19:25.36 | Kraps | where can i get older versions of carbonite? |
| 19:26.28 | Shirik | why would you want an older version? |
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| 19:27.06 | Kraps | it might work better |
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| 19:36.34 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
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| 19:38.06 | Shirik | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large aesir |
| 19:38.29 | aesir | Makes sense. There are no small aesirs. |
| 19:38.51 | Fisker | nooes Shirik |
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| 20:01.07 | Ackis | hey there's a dog whisperer, anyone know if there's a cat whisperer? we have a cat with issues |
| 20:02.52 | Shirik | all cats have issues |
| 20:02.54 | Shirik | what's your point |
| 20:03.11 | Dagmar | You don't need a cat whisperer. |
| 20:03.29 | Dagmar | Cats understand English just fine--they simply don't give a damn about what you have to say. |
| 20:03.54 | Ackis | nah this cat has abnormal kitty issues... IMO he's batshit crazy |
| 20:04.08 | Shirik | I'm still missing the "abnormal" part |
| 20:04.11 | Dagmar | Uh-huh. |
| 20:04.20 | Ackis | he's afraid of people |
| 20:04.27 | Dagmar | A foundling? |
| 20:04.44 | Dagmar | If he's still little, that can be fixed with constant attention. |
| 20:04.47 | Ackis | foundling? |
| 20:04.53 | Dagmar | yes, a stray kitten you find |
| 20:05.23 | Dagmar | Feralness is hard to undo beyond a certain point. |
| 20:05.23 | Ackis | nah we got him from the SPCA |
| 20:05.25 | Ackis | he went all crazy after a vet appointment and after he attacked me and I tossed him on the floor |
| 20:05.35 | Dagmar | How old is this cat? |
| 20:06.03 | Ackis | less than a year old now |
| 20:07.00 | Dagmar | You've had him for how long? |
| 20:07.20 | Dagmar | ...and he's behaved like this all the time or is this a recent behvioural change? |
| 20:07.20 | Ackis | last october we got him |
| 20:07.28 | Ackis | just recent in the past couple months |
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| 20:08.00 | Ackis | he's acting like a beat animal, which I would understand if we beat him daily however we don't, he gets sprayed with water when he's bad |
| 20:08.03 | Dagmar | Okay that's good. Just be nice to him. Sounds like he has trust issues from the vet appointment |
| 20:08.15 | Shadowed | wow brilliant |
| 20:08.25 | Shadowed | "An investigation of your World of Warcraft account has found strong evidence that the account in question is being sold or traded" and it lists the people it To'd it too |
| 20:08.34 | Dagmar | Something's probably set him back--SPCA kittens could very easily be foundlings |
| 20:09.19 | Ackis | Dagmar: I think it was me throwing him after he went all feral on me and attacked me that one night, he landed wrong and had a bad squeek, nothing was hurt however :P |
| 20:09.31 | Dagmar | Some nice chicken or liver-flavored treats will rpoabbly bring him around after a bit |
| 20:10.56 | Dagmar | Cats aren't like dogs--they can get their feelings hurt and stay pissy about it |
| 20:11.03 | Ackis | been trying everything, next step is the bbq for some bbq-kitty IMO rawr... he doesn't really like treats, it's so strange with him |
| 20:12.10 | Torhal | Ackis: My cat will not eat on his own. I must follow him into the kitchen before he will eat. |
| 20:12.26 | Dagmar | S-p-o-i-l-e-d |
| 20:12.27 | Ackis | Torhal: pfft you're good with cats, mine talks to you all the time :P |
| 20:12.36 | Torhal | Hahaha |
| 20:12.59 | Ackis | ok heading out for a bit, will bbl unless we crash and die |
| 20:13.02 | Torhal | Dagmar: I thought the answer was spoiled, until he started losing weight from not eating. |
| 20:13.21 | Dagmar | You might want to try a different cat food then |
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| 20:13.46 | nicoli_s | feed em game fuel |
| 20:13.56 | nicoli_s | but make sure its all the same color |
| 20:14.07 | nicoli_s | or theyll go all crazy horde/alliance on you |
| 20:14.11 | Dagmar | I've seen cats that wouldn't eat in front of people, but never cats that just woulnd't eat unless something was wrong with a) the food or b) their teeth |
| 20:14.52 | Torhal | Dagmar: He eats the food just fine as long as I go into the kitchen. |
| 20:14.56 | Dagmar | Cats are a bit different from ferrets and dogs in that generally they'll eat when they're hungry and then stop |
| 20:15.00 | Torhal | I don't even have to touch him, just be there. |
| 20:15.14 | Torhal | He simply will not go eat by himself. |
| 20:15.37 | Dagmar | Maybe he's hoping you'll start eating on a regular schedule. ;) |
| 20:16.06 | Torhal | Heh |
| 20:16.23 | Dagmar | Dude I've seen cats make high-level decisions like that |
| 20:16.54 | Dagmar | One probably kept me out of a coma by being a right bastard to me continuously over the course of hours while I was running a >105F fever |
| 20:17.35 | Dagmar | Wouldn't stay out of my room or off my bed and kept yowling at me |
| 20:20.05 | Fisker | I AM RAGING |
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| 20:21.32 | Kraps | hands Fisker a chillaxative |
| 20:21.37 | augustl | is there a way to check if a SendAddonMessage was successful, other than doing it manually with a response/timeout thing? |
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| 20:22.02 | augustl | successful as in wether or not the target has the addon installed |
| 20:22.13 | Shirik | that would be essentially impossible |
| 20:22.27 | Shirik | WoW cannot possibly know what use you have for a given message |
| 20:22.39 | Shirik | so no, you just have to assume a timeout |
| 20:22.55 | augustl | oh, true, you aren't actually sending the name of the addon along with SendAddonMessage |
| 20:23.01 | augustl | right? |
| 20:23.22 | ZorbaBeta | nope. many addons cross-communicate with messages |
| 20:23.32 | augustl | that makes sense, thanks |
| 20:24.55 | augustl | another thing, is it possible to check if a given chat channel exists, by the name of the channel? Or would you have to join it first, and then check how many people that is in the channel, or something like that? |
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| 20:45.51 | Fisker | you're hurting me Shirik |
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| 20:56.25 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh |
| 20:56.26 | Fisker | you here? |
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| 20:59.01 | Fisker | you will answer me jnwhiteh |
| 21:00.30 | alestane | Unless he's not here. |
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| 21:09.50 | foxlit | gr. |
| 21:10.01 | foxlit | sc crashes :/ |
| 21:10.59 | Shirik | :( |
| 21:15.50 | foxlit | Zeratul's voice is apparently too much for it to handle. |
| 21:16.31 | Fisker | l2pc |
| 21:17.57 | Zyndrome | blorf |
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| 21:19.05 | Zyndrome | must be something wonky with Windows 7 , or the code isn't all that perfect ... rightclick occassionally stops working on my unitframes ;/ |
| 21:19.12 | Fisker | awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 21:20.37 | Shirik | sc works poorly on my win7 computer |
| 21:20.38 | Shirik | it has some really strange colors |
| 21:20.46 | Fisker | l2play Shirik |
| 21:26.00 | Fisker | taunts Shirik |
| 21:26.10 | *** mode/#wowuidev [-v Fisker] by Shirik |
| 21:26.17 | Shirik | I have removed your voice |
| 21:26.18 | Fisker | moar |
| 21:26.20 | Shirik | what will you do now |
| 21:26.25 | Shirik | nope |
| 21:26.26 | Shirik | you can't speak |
| 21:27.38 | Fisker | indeed i can |
| 21:32.21 | Arrowmaster | blizzard really should patch SC1 to allow windowed mode |
| 21:33.32 | Arrowmaster | although im guessing the reason they never have is because the cursor detection for scrolling isnt just detecting if its near the edge but if its against the edge which would make windowed mode impossible |
| 21:34.15 | foxlit | Ahem, whining time |
| 21:34.15 | ScytheBlade1 | There is more to it than that |
| 21:34.28 | foxlit | Unprotected CameraOrSelectOrMoveStop, or gief CameraMovementStop() to match MouselookStop() |
| 21:34.32 | foxlit | s/ed// |
| 21:34.42 | ScytheBlade1 | namely the entire battle.net interface is.. problematic |
| 21:35.12 | Slafsinator | sc1 supports windowmode on the mac, but it's 640x480 after all so the window is tiny ;P |
| 21:36.48 | Arrowmaster | foxlit: yeah i know ive run into issues with the camera system before, i found an interesting way to get the camera facing instead of just the player facing but it behaves differently for all the damn camera movement modes and required lots of hooking and checking |
| 21:37.26 | foxlit | At the moment, I really don't care, as long as it gives the user the damn mouse cursor back. |
| 21:37.38 | Arrowmaster | do any VMs allow displaying a VM running at one resolution as a differnet resolution in the host machine? |
| 21:39.48 | Slafsinator | Arrowmaster: sc1 in window mode will take you moving the mouse outside the window as the mouse being at the edge of the screen, thus it scrolls |
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| 21:40.36 | Arrowmaster | just doubling would be good since 640x480 would turn into 1280x960 and 800x600 would turn into 1600x1200, which would all look fine windowed on a 1920x1200 resolution |
| 21:40.57 | Slafsinator | yes :) |
| 21:41.25 | foxlit | also: need "Google Brain" to search for past experiences. |
| 21:41.48 | foxlit | There was a sprite-upscaling algorithm page that looked awesome, but I can't remember what it was. |
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| 21:51.32 | foxlit | http://web.archive.org/web/20080120003604/www.hiend3d.com/hq4x.html |
| 21:51.36 | alestane | Anyone know off the top of their head whether any versions of IE support display:inline-block? |
| 21:51.58 | foxlit | Leaning on "yes" |
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| 21:52.34 | Industrial | is there any way (with css?) that i can make youtube movies that I have qalready seen appear with a different bacgrounf color in the youtube similar movies list? |
| 21:53.04 | Industrial | that would help random browsing out a lot |
| 21:53.44 | foxlit | There's a:visited {stuff} |
| 21:53.58 | foxlit | But it's anyone's guess whether youtube links are actually concise enough for that to work |
| 21:54.13 | Industrial | how would I get the css to work in firefox tho |
| 21:57.30 | Industrial | http://coreygilmore.com/blog/2008/10/23/per-site-custom-css-in-firefox/ |
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| 23:21.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Sooo |
| 23:21.27 | ScytheBlade1 | How does someone do IPC in Java? |
| 23:24.27 | bleeter | is bruce campbell gunna star in the warcraft movie? |
| 23:25.01 | bleeter | I'd pay to see that ;) |
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| 23:32.37 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1: With stdin/stdout? |
| 23:33.21 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: from one VM on one machine to another VM on a second machine |
| 23:33.33 | Shirik | files and file locks :) |
| 23:33.48 | ScytheBlade1 | ... which work cross physical devices - gotcha. |
| 23:33.53 | Shirik | sure |
| 23:33.59 | ScytheBlade1 | .. |
| 23:34.01 | Shirik | so long as they both have access to the same location |
| 23:34.05 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, no |
| 23:34.11 | Shirik | open a socket |
| 23:34.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is what I'll probably wind up doing |
| 23:34.29 | ScytheBlade1 | And writing objects to the stream |
| 23:34.35 | Shirik | you can use Serializable |
| 23:34.41 | Shirik | that's really what it's made for |
| 23:34.48 | Shirik | to send objects over a stream |
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| 23:36.56 | DWSR | Anyone want to help me make my UI look less terrible? |
| 23:37.52 | ScytheBlade1 | If I extend Serializable onto a basic class that contains little more than strings and ints, I don't have to go through a whole lot of pain to get it to work, do I? |
| 23:37.58 | ScytheBlade1 | From the javadoc, I don't think that would be the case |
| 23:41.28 | Pneu^ | ScytheBlade1: i think you just have to declare a serial number |
| 23:41.41 | Pneu^ | although that may only be warned |
| 23:41.52 | ScytheBlade1 | I recall that |
| 23:42.57 | Pneu^ | private static final long serialVersionUID = 1L; |
| 23:43.02 | Shirik | no ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:43.05 | Pneu^ | or however you wanna number it |
| 23:43.09 | Shirik | unless you did something really really stupid |
| 23:43.12 | Shirik | just implement Serializable |
| 23:43.28 | Shirik | all you have to do "special" is mark anything that /shouldn't/ be serialized as "transient" (it's a keyword) |
| 23:43.44 | Shirik | this makes sense for things like mutexes, etc., which have no meaning on the other side |
| 23:44.20 | Shirik | however, here's the caveat, ScytheBlade1 |
| 23:44.41 | Shirik | Every member variable in a Serializable has to have one of two properties: |
| 23:44.49 | Shirik | either (1) it implements Serializable |
| 23:44.56 | Shirik | or (2) it is transient |
| 23:45.14 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 23:45.28 | Shirik | a significant number of the J2SE classes are Serializable, though, so you should be ok |
| 23:46.08 | Shirik | like ArrayList is a Serializable |
| 23:46.08 | Shirik | etc. |
| 23:46.34 | ScytheBlade1 | right, k |
| 23:51.27 | Shirik | note to self: When opting for manual focus on a shot |
| 23:51.35 | Shirik | return it to autofocus after |
| 23:51.45 | Shirik | I just threw out about 20 shots because none of them were in focus |
| 23:52.00 | mikma | tc-away: poop on you |
| 23:53.20 | mikma | tc-away: decided to go with "Can't use Divine Shield" instead of icon. |
| 23:58.53 | Wobin | shirik: hehe, that reminds me of my father, taking hours of footage of the pavement as he forgets to turn the video camera off 'record' when on holiday =P |
