| 00:00.00 | AnduinLothar | LibDefaults handles the loading of the options table |
| 00:00.13 | mikma | yes, that's true. that did the trick |
| 00:00.26 | AnduinLothar | since your 'addon' hadn't loaded it hadn't initialized the saved var table |
| 00:00.32 | bleeter | Adys: you think the Winers are gunna be screwed then, on 3.2 launch? ;) |
| 00:01.01 | bleeter | Adys: and upcoming minor patches? I wouldn't be surprised,and I'm glad I don't play now :P |
| 00:02.24 | Adys | Maybe |
| 00:02.42 | Adys | I dont use the blizz downloader so dunno |
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| 00:05.21 | Adys | bleeter: either way its likely to be fixed very quickly considering the amount of wine devs playing wow |
| 00:05.23 | Adys | well |
| 00:05.30 | Adys | if they havent all quit because raiding sucks ass, that is |
| 00:05.43 | svenadh_ | what about wine? |
| 00:05.59 | Adys | upnp is required to make the blizz dler work |
| 00:06.07 | Adys | and its not implemented at all in wine |
| 00:06.17 | Corrodias | it's required now? |
| 00:06.28 | Corrodias | man, all i had to do back in the day was open a port or two and boom |
| 00:06.54 | svenadh_ | ok, if it's only the downloader i can handle it :) |
| 00:06.57 | Corrodias | i think it was still a slightly shoddy implementation |
| 00:06.58 | Adys | I dont know how much of it is required |
| 00:07.37 | mikma | anduinlothar: Checkbox has values 1 and 0? |
| 00:08.04 | AnduinLothar | "1" and "0" actually |
| 00:08.24 | mikma | roger |
| 00:08.48 | tardmrr | Adys, ulduar isn't bad |
| 00:08.58 | tardmrr | I'm sincerely worried about cc, though |
| 00:09.01 | bleeter | svenadh_: sometimes blizz have been known to be a bit slow in pushing out patches onto mirrors |
| 00:09.19 | AnduinLothar | i'm pretty bored with raiding, i was considering takign a break |
| 00:09.27 | svenadh_ | bleeter: i'm known to be slow in getting updates from them, should work :D |
| 00:09.28 | AnduinLothar | catch up on my Fallout3 DLCs |
| 00:12.33 | Adys | every damn time |
| 00:12.53 | Adys | I have to choose between the very low quality monk episodes from season1 in 320x format |
| 00:13.07 | Adys | and the much higher ones from s2-6 I keep |
| 00:13.28 | Adys | EVERY time I pick the 1st season only because of the awesome theme music |
| 00:14.14 | AnduinLothar | buy a bigger hd |
| 00:14.32 | Adys | I got 1500gb its not the problem |
| 00:14.58 | Adys | i just was too lazy to check quality |
| 00:16.50 | AnduinLothar | cowroker gone.... boss on vacation.... |
| 00:16.52 | AnduinLothar | >.> |
| 00:16.54 | AnduinLothar | <.< |
| 00:16.58 | AnduinLothar | sneaks out |
| 00:17.07 | Adys | you got a cow rocker? |
| 00:17.35 | AnduinLothar | yeah, it's a tool for cow tipping |
| 00:17.45 | AnduinLothar | i got it fromt he airport on my layover in dallas |
| 00:18.13 | AnduinLothar | they almost didn't want to let me carry it on |
| 00:18.28 | AnduinLothar | i convinced them it was a medical device |
| 00:18.57 | tem | Everyone loves Magical Trevor... |
| 00:19.28 | ScytheBlade1 | tem: DIE |
| 00:19.29 | ScytheBlade1 | DIE DIE DIE |
| 00:19.34 | ScytheBlade1 | opens a new tab |
| 00:20.09 | tem | (: |
| 00:20.17 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/magical+trevor/ |
| 00:20.58 | mikma | anduinlothar: uh, why does this reset my DB settings with every login? |
| 00:21.22 | AnduinLothar | you're doing it wrong |
| 00:21.49 | AnduinLothar | iono. did you set the variable as a saved variable int he toc? |
| 00:22.08 | mikma | anduinlothar: http://lol.pastey.net/118034 |
| 00:22.17 | ScytheBlade1 | lol, pastey |
| 00:22.34 | mikma | apparently tabs aren't being displayed |
| 00:22.40 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/magical+trevor+2/ |
| 00:23.05 | AnduinLothar | :P don't use defaultValue = OhSnapDB["ShowAnchor"] |
| 00:23.12 | mikma | then use what? |
| 00:23.32 | AnduinLothar | you see that OhSnap_SavedVars? |
| 00:23.53 | AnduinLothar | that's the name of you global saved variable table |
| 00:24.26 | ScytheBlade1 | oh man, they have a MT 3 now |
| 00:24.40 | AnduinLothar | defaultValue is the value of the default, not the current value of the option |
| 00:24.51 | bleeter | hahaha zombiemode forums http://userscripts.org/scripts/issues/37051 |
| 00:24.52 | foxlit | ScytheBlade1: welcome to 2005? :) |
| 00:25.02 | mikma | anduinlothar: so savedVarTable = "OhSnap_SavedVars"; -> savedVarTable = "OhSnapDB"; ? |
| 00:25.07 | bleeter | replaces all forum avatars with those from the zombie invasion ;) |
| 00:25.31 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.37 | ScytheBlade1 | foxlit: apparently |
| 00:25.56 | ScytheBlade1 | and a 4, whoo |
| 00:25.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I wonder how many there are |
| 00:26.01 | AnduinLothar | Portfolio handles your saved variables for you. if you want to use your own table format it's possible but a little more complicated |
| 00:26.21 | mikma | kinda have to use my own table :P |
| 00:26.30 | AnduinLothar | why's that? |
| 00:26.49 | mikma | cause that's how the fonts are being saved? :D |
| 00:26.55 | ScytheBlade1 | ah, just 4 |
| 00:27.12 | AnduinLothar | let Portfolio save them for you |
| 00:27.18 | AnduinLothar | it's easier |
| 00:27.28 | mikma | anduinlothar: OhSnap.Defaults = { [1] = {"Fonts\\FRIZQT__.TTF", 24,"THICKOUTLINE"}, like that |
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| 00:28.12 | AnduinLothar | you can set all that with the defaultValues' on the individual option tables |
| 00:28.58 | mikma | mmh |
| 00:29.32 | mikma | getting too hard :I |
| 00:29.35 | AnduinLothar | and that way it's hierarchical and not your own linear format |
| 00:30.26 | AnduinLothar | well it's a paradigm shift if you're converting your own preexsisting addon. if you don't want to use the Portfolio savedVarTable you can just leave it empty |
| 00:31.06 | AnduinLothar | but then you're missing out on all the auto saved variable management |
| 00:31.52 | AnduinLothar | and you'll have to do your own event management yourself |
| 00:31.53 | mikma | hmmh |
| 00:32.05 | ScytheBlade1 | tem: http://www.weebles-stuff.com/toons/kenya/ |
| 00:32.10 | ScytheBlade1 | tem: all is even again, so ha |
| 00:32.44 | mikma | anduinlothar: yeah, the problem here is sometimes i have no idea how jnwhiteh's code works, and trying to modify it is a pita :D |
| 00:33.10 | AnduinLothar | the format isn't that complicated tho. _G[savedVarTable][optionId] |
| 00:33.40 | mikma | so basicly, load the configure first to get defaults? |
| 00:33.50 | mikma | then load the addon which uses them |
| 00:33.56 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 00:34.11 | mikma | oh ok. let's see how this works. good thing i put the code in svn ^^ |
| 00:34.23 | AnduinLothar | but you can do it the other way, depends when you need the defaults |
| 00:34.34 | AnduinLothar | chances are you don't need the defaults at all |
| 00:34.35 | mikma | i need the defaults when the addon loads |
| 00:34.40 | mikma | well, not defaults |
| 00:34.42 | mikma | but the SV's |
| 00:34.58 | AnduinLothar | i bet what you really need is the current value, after the addon's saved variables have loaded |
| 00:35.01 | mikma | defaults are needed only when "defaults" button has been pressed |
| 00:35.26 | AnduinLothar | you dont need a defaults button with Portfolio. it gives you one |
| 00:35.31 | mikma | the addon needs 3 different options for 4 different fonts |
| 00:35.48 | mikma | prio1font -> font, size, outline |
| 00:35.50 | mikma | etc |
| 00:36.13 | AnduinLothar | right. so here look at http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11419-LibDefaults.html SetScript |
| 00:36.30 | AnduinLothar | you can give it your addon name and a function |
| 00:36.43 | AnduinLothar | it will execute the function after your saved variables have been loaded |
| 00:37.38 | Arrowmaster | why whould anybody make a library for that? |
| 00:37.44 | Arrowmaster | its so simple to do |
| 00:38.12 | AnduinLothar | that's not what the library is for. it's a by product of the library |
| 00:38.29 | mikma | lol, like i said, getting too hard :D |
| 00:39.24 | mikma | maybe i should sleep some |
| 00:39.41 | AnduinLothar | and since Portfolio is already using it you can just call it after you register for portfolio and it will be garenteed to run after your addon's saved variables have been loaded and set to their defaults |
| 00:40.34 | mikma | lib:SetScript("OhSnap", SetMyFontsHere) ? |
| 00:40.40 | AnduinLothar | yes |
| 00:40.56 | AnduinLothar | local lib = LibStub("LibDefaults") |
| 00:41.11 | AnduinLothar | or just LibStub("LibDefaults"):SetScript("OhSnap", SetMyFontsHere) |
| 00:41.21 | AnduinLothar | however... |
| 00:41.37 | AnduinLothar | if you already have callbacks on the options you made |
| 00:41.46 | AnduinLothar | and those callbacks set the fonts |
| 00:41.56 | AnduinLothar | then you may not even need to init them |
| 00:42.11 | AnduinLothar | because the callbacks are called automatically |
| 00:43.12 | mikma | one thing.. |
| 00:43.32 | mikma | savedVarTable = "OhSnappah"; |
| 00:43.38 | mikma | that table is empty at login :P |
| 00:44.03 | AnduinLothar | so? |
| 00:44.35 | mikma | so, where's the info i've set then? :D |
| 00:44.42 | mikma | kinda need that for the fonts |
| 00:44.51 | AnduinLothar | are you getting a nil error? |
| 00:45.07 | mikma | not yet since haven't changed the code |
| 00:45.10 | AnduinLothar | Portfolio should auto populate it |
| 00:45.18 | AnduinLothar | using LibDefaults |
| 00:46.13 | mikma | ok so now i have size set in Slider1 to 24. |
| 00:46.30 | mikma | then what? :) |
| 00:46.43 | AnduinLothar | what what? |
| 00:46.58 | mikma | now i need the size from there for the font |
| 00:47.18 | foxlit | Hrm. |
| 00:47.18 | mikma | _G["OhSnappah"]["Slider1"] doesn't exist |
| 00:47.35 | AnduinLothar | when? |
| 00:47.36 | foxlit | Apparently, you can't put <ul> in <ul> -- it has to nest through <li> |
| 00:47.38 | foxlit | :/ |
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| 00:48.00 | AnduinLothar | and what did you set the default to |
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| 00:48.08 | mikma | default is set to 24 |
| 00:48.26 | AnduinLothar | have you opened the interface at all? |
| 00:48.41 | mikma | nope |
| 00:48.55 | AnduinLothar | _G["OhSnappah"]["Slider1"] doesn't exist when? |
| 00:49.00 | mikma | login |
| 00:49.08 | mikma | but when i change the slider, it exists. |
| 00:49.24 | AnduinLothar | at the command line? in the SetMyFontsHere function? on some event? |
| 00:49.57 | mikma | err |
| 00:50.26 | AnduinLothar | how do you know it doesn't exist? |
| 00:50.36 | mikma | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.55 | mikma | it's pretty much /print of DevTools / Ace3 |
| 00:51.01 | mikma | with tek-twist ^^ |
| 00:51.25 | mikma | but the whole table is empty at login, when i change something from interface options, the changed value appears. |
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| 00:51.30 | AnduinLothar | right. the default value does not exist in the table, because it's the default, which is hard coded. |
| 00:51.38 | Arrowmaster | when during login? |
| 00:51.40 | mikma | now, HOW will i use the default |
| 00:51.42 | AnduinLothar | it exists via metadata |
| 00:51.45 | mikma | that's what i've been asking? :I |
| 00:51.56 | AnduinLothar | if you index it it will give you the result |
| 00:52.03 | AnduinLothar | it jsut wont show up ina for loop |
| 00:52.29 | mikma | huh |
| 00:52.39 | AnduinLothar | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info11419-LibDefaults.html read the "For Tables" |
| 00:52.40 | mikma | [03:52:27] OhSnappah.Slider1 => 24 |
| 00:52.56 | mikma | funny how it ain't printed but it's still there ;) |
| 00:53.05 | Arrowmaster | because its a metatable |
| 00:53.11 | Arrowmaster | ~pil |
| 00:53.12 | purl | Programming in Lua, a book written by the authors of the Lua programming language. The first edition is available free online at http://www.lua.org/pil and covers Lua 5.0. The second edition is available in print from most online bookstores, and covers Lua 5.1. |
| 00:53.18 | Arrowmaster | read about metatables |
| 00:53.22 | mikma | 0 experience with metatables atm |
| 00:53.51 | AnduinLothar | yeah, side effect of the metatables used to save space when saving/loading defaults |
| 00:53.53 | mikma | anduinlothar: now, you could just have said "the default value is in the table with the id you provided, ie. footable.slider" |
| 00:54.10 | mikma | bastard |
| 00:54.14 | AnduinLothar | :P |
| 00:54.16 | tem | wow |
| 00:54.23 | tem | I wonder if I was just winning the tps lottery |
| 00:54.29 | Arrowmaster | no that wouldnt have clarified that its using a metatable |
| 00:54.32 | tem | but I was doing 8.5k average tps on ignis |
| 00:54.35 | tem | spiking to 10-11k |
| 00:54.41 | tekkub | I what who? |
| 00:54.56 | tekkub | yes, spew > dump |
| 00:54.57 | kd3 | oh fail |
| 00:55.03 | kd3 | we won and lost IoC at the same time |
| 00:55.06 | AnduinLothar | "The variable will be set to an empty table which is meta-index-linked to the stored default table. |
| 00:55.09 | AnduinLothar | Any time you access keys in the table the default will be returned, unless you set that key to a non-default value. |
| 00:55.10 | AnduinLothar | This saves space in live memory because the defaults only reside in one place. |
| 00:55.11 | kd3 | got all 4 tokens that fight |
| 00:55.13 | AnduinLothar | With the drawback that #, pairs and ipairs will not count the default values." |
| 00:55.17 | tekkub | Tem, I was thinking about you all thru the lil Torchwood miniseries |
| 00:55.27 | tem | why me? |
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| 00:55.57 | tekkub | they kept talking about Thame's Place or some shit |
| 00:56.03 | AnduinLothar | mikma: it's just magic, go with it. |
| 00:56.08 | tekkub | but pronounced it "Tem's Place" |
| 00:56.10 | Arrowmaster | AnduinLothar: over optimization for nothing but trouble |
| 00:56.12 | mikma | anduinlothar: apparently ^^ |
| 00:56.25 | AnduinLothar | Arrowmaster: depends |
| 00:57.04 | AnduinLothar | for most cases, yes it's unnecessarily. But in cases where there are dozens of options it certainly helps |
| 00:57.19 | AnduinLothar | i believe Ace does something similar |
| 00:57.24 | Arrowmaster | it does not |
| 00:57.29 | Arrowmaster | because it causes nothing but trouble |
| 00:57.35 | Kraps | how do i find my monitor's native resolution? |
| 00:57.45 | Arrowmaster | Kraps: is it an lcd? |
| 00:57.53 | Kraps | yes |
| 00:57.58 | Arrowmaster | its the max res |
| 00:58.00 | AnduinLothar | i'm pretty sure it does. it was one of clad's solution in AceDB i think |
| 00:58.04 | Arrowmaster | it does not |
| 00:58.16 | AnduinLothar | it's not as complex, no |
| 00:58.25 | AnduinLothar | but it uses metatables |
| 00:58.54 | Arrowmaster | yes it does but not directly in the data |
| 00:59.25 | mikma | anduinlothar: can i use for -loop when creating the options? |
| 00:59.32 | AnduinLothar | sure |
| 00:59.32 | Arrowmaster | mikma: no |
| 00:59.39 | mikma | arrowmaster: hi anduinlothar! |
| 00:59.50 | Arrowmaster | loops dont work with metatables |
| 00:59.59 | AnduinLothar | in creating the Portfolio options :P |
| 01:01.06 | AnduinLothar | you'll have to have something to loop over, like a table containing the defaults.... which in the case of only 3 duplicates might be unnecessary |
| 01:01.51 | AnduinLothar | probably just easier to copy/paste and change the defaultValue, text, id and callback |
| 01:02.00 | Wobin | ...opening my mail makes WoW crash |
| 01:02.04 | Wobin | the first time each day |
| 01:02.25 | AnduinLothar | anyway. i'm going hope. i'll be back in a bit mikma |
| 01:02.27 | AnduinLothar | home* |
| 01:02.39 | mikma | anduinlothar: was thinking more like: for i=1,4 do { id = "foo"..i ...} |
| 01:02.46 | AnduinLothar | that'd work |
| 01:03.06 | AnduinLothar | but if almost all the values change there's not much point |
| 01:03.19 | AnduinLothar | unless they all start with the same defaults... |
| 01:03.39 | mikma | oh.. right, they don't. |
| 01:03.43 | mikma | good point |
| 01:03.49 | AnduinLothar | and you probably want their text to be different |
| 01:04.00 | AnduinLothar | and their tooltip text |
| 01:04.18 | AnduinLothar | and their callback |
| 01:04.43 | AnduinLothar | anyway brb |
| 01:15.45 | Kraps | firefox 3.5.1 is available... |
| 01:17.44 | ScytheBlade1 | has been for a bit |
| 01:17.49 | Dagmar | slooooow |
| 01:18.13 | Dagmar | 3.5.2 will be coming along any day now |
| 01:18.35 | Dagmar | ...but in the meantime for reasons entirely separate to that you should probably do something to murder any Adobe products you have installed. |
| 01:18.47 | Dagmar | Yay for yet ANOTHER freaking exploitable bug in the wild |
| 01:19.14 | ccox | any apps with a large user base are going to get attacked |
| 01:19.58 | Dagmar | That's all well and good as a platitude if you don't have those apps installed. |
| 01:20.02 | Dagmar | s/if/if and only if/; |
| 01:20.20 | ccox | no, because anything you have installed is likely to be attacked at some point |
| 01:20.30 | ccox | unless you make a habit of writing your own OS and apps |
| 01:20.42 | Dagmar | There's a difference between "is likely to be" and "is actively being", dude. |
| 01:22.02 | Dagmar | I'm a little pissed at Verisign right now for sending out an advisory _just yesterday_ calling it a 0-day |
| 01:22.33 | Dagmar | That's decidedly misleading since several days have passed and Adobe is very aware of it now |
| 01:22.37 | ccox | again, if you run the same apps that other people are running - that makes the apps popular, and means they're likely to be attacked |
| 01:23.01 | ccox | yeah, I heard about the latest attack 2 or 3 days ago |
| 01:23.43 | ccox | But, I did find Verisign in the dictionary twice: once under "evil" and once under "incompetent" |
| 01:23.47 | Dagmar | Yep. |
| 01:23.51 | Dagmar | That doesn't suprise me |
| 01:24.03 | Dagmar | We had a lot of fun when we started using them as a secondary firewall layer. |
| 01:24.32 | Dagmar | For some reason they couldn't grasp the concept of "make no changes to the equipment configuration without notifying us in advance" leading to downtime, traffic loss, and much dark laughter. |
| 01:24.47 | Dagmar | Even better when they do it at 2am. |
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| 01:41.01 | AnduinLothar | fall down any pits while i was gone, mikma? |
| 01:41.56 | mikma | anduinlothar: yeah but my ultimate 4WD got me up |
| 01:42.08 | AnduinLothar | good good |
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| 01:44.21 | mikma | anduinlothar: i was thinking about doing a dropdown that will let me select which font to modify and the two others are options for that font. but, meh ^^ rather have them all on the screen |
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| 01:46.56 | AnduinLothar | up to you. as long as the dropdown values are static it's pretty easy |
| 01:47.10 | AnduinLothar | I'm still cooking up a way to make them easily dynamic |
| 02:03.14 | mikma | anduinlothar: now how does the defaults work? need to add a button that will reset settings |
| 02:03.35 | AnduinLothar | there should already be a defaults button int he default UI |
| 02:03.42 | mikma | grey |
| 02:03.48 | AnduinLothar | it's always grey |
| 02:03.55 | mikma | aah. |
| 02:04.04 | mikma | mouseovering, like the delete in macro window |
| 02:04.13 | AnduinLothar | yup |
| 02:04.20 | mikma | but that will reset all, i don't want that |
| 02:04.28 | AnduinLothar | ahh, what DO you want? |
| 02:04.29 | mikma | These Settings? |
| 02:04.35 | mikma | just this addon |
| 02:04.38 | AnduinLothar | yeah |
| 02:04.47 | AnduinLothar | it should give you the option |
| 02:05.29 | mikma | All Settings, These Settings, Cancel |
| 02:05.51 | AnduinLothar | yeah. These Settings is just the current addon |
| 02:06.07 | mikma | hope so, i will eat your head if it kill my account settings etc |
| 02:06.17 | AnduinLothar | :P try on a diff char |
| 02:06.23 | AnduinLothar | but i'm pretty sure |
| 02:08.23 | mikma | i'm pretty much done with the gui soon |
| 02:08.31 | mikma | which is impressive |
| 02:09.04 | AnduinLothar | did you get them lined up like the old one? |
| 02:10.41 | mikma | anduinlothar: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_072409_051016.jpg |
| 02:11.10 | AnduinLothar | :) |
| 02:11.41 | mikma | is there a *global* callback i can se? |
| 02:11.44 | mikma | set* |
| 02:11.56 | mikma | cause, i need to call this OhSnap:Update() in everyone of them ^^ |
| 02:11.56 | AnduinLothar | what do you mean? |
| 02:12.26 | AnduinLothar | ahh, no |
| 02:12.39 | mikma | aww poop :) |
| 02:12.47 | AnduinLothar | but why do you need one? |
| 02:13.21 | mikma | all the dropdowns and sliders have: callback = function() OhSnap:Update() end; |
| 02:13.37 | AnduinLothar | just make a local closure: local myCallback = function(value) OhSnap:Update() end |
| 02:13.50 | AnduinLothar | and assign the variable to all the callbacks |
| 02:13.59 | AnduinLothar | callback = myCallback |
| 02:14.11 | mikma | yeah that might be better one |
| 02:16.08 | mikma | heh, now the dropdowns are moving left / right, depending how long the line is |
| 02:16.17 | mikma | doesn't matter, i can setpoint them to the sliders |
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| 02:16.35 | AnduinLothar | that's default behavior. you can provide a width i think |
| 02:17.06 | AnduinLothar | but yeah. i'd say anchor then to the one on the left |
| 02:17.31 | mikma | yeap. |
| 02:17.58 | AnduinLothar | was just one of those things, too many ways to do it, gotta pick a default |
| 02:18.39 | AnduinLothar | another option i guess would be to find the longest option and set it to that by default |
| 02:18.56 | mikma | that would also do it |
| 02:19.24 | AnduinLothar | but it's probably best to specify a width if you're putting them next to something |
| 02:20.01 | AnduinLothar | hmm. looks like i supplied a "minWidth" |
| 02:20.11 | AnduinLothar | hmm |
| 02:20.13 | mikma | heh |
| 02:20.17 | AnduinLothar | i should add a width... |
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| 02:21.12 | AnduinLothar | you can always do init = function(control) control:SetWidth() end |
| 02:21.22 | AnduinLothar | but i guess that'd be overridden.. |
| 02:21.50 | mikma | it's all cool, i found a good spot already ^^ |
| 02:22.05 | AnduinLothar | well i should have the option anyway |
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| 02:23.49 | anesthesia | Hello? |
| 02:24.25 | anesthesia | I usually use the Opera IRC client; however, I am on my desktop and using a new program (for me) called mIRC. |
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| 02:24.56 | anesthesia | Hello Neone! |
| 02:25.06 | anesthesia | Welcome to the WowUIDev channel. |
| 02:25.24 | anesthesia | Can yall see me? |
| 02:25.28 | Gnarfoz | yes... |
| 02:25.32 | anesthesia | oh ok |
| 02:25.32 | ScytheBlade1 | no. |
| 02:25.39 | anesthesia | I didn't know if it was set up incorrectly or something |
| 02:25.51 | anesthesia | This mIRC thing seems so primitive. |
| 02:25.56 | AnduinLothar | i'm taking off mikma, leave a msg if you need more help |
| 02:25.56 | anesthesia | Opera IRC is so much easier to use. |
| 02:26.05 | Gnarfoz | it's the foremost IRC client, I'd expect its defaults to be set up correctly ;) |
| 02:26.07 | mikma | anduinlothar: gonna go to bed soon, 5:26am |
| 02:26.23 | anesthesia | mIRC has way too many buttons. |
| 02:26.27 | Gnarfoz | and no, I highly doubt mIRC is primitive, the opposite is probably true ;p |
| 02:26.27 | cogwheel | anesthesia: you should see screen+irssi ;) |
| 02:26.45 | Gnarfoz | indeed, *that* seems primitive, even though it's probably even more powerful :p |
| 02:26.51 | anesthesia | When yall say my name, Opera highlights it. mIRC does nothing. |
| 02:27.18 | cogwheel | you can program irssi to higlight by regular expressions >< |
| 02:27.25 | Gnarfoz | mirc can do that as well. |
| 02:27.29 | anesthesia | How? |
| 02:27.34 | Gnarfoz | enable it. |
| 02:28.35 | Gnarfoz | Captain Picard day! |
| 02:28.55 | anesthesia | Hello? |
| 02:29.00 | cogwheel | http://picard.ytmnd.com/ |
| 02:29.05 | anesthesia | I am unsure if I enabled it. Can you please say my name? |
| 02:29.35 | Gnarfoz | how can you be unsure if you checked a clearly labeled checkbox, anesthesia? :p |
| 02:29.46 | anesthesia | Ok, it did not work. |
| 02:29.55 | anesthesia | What is the checkbox called, and under what category? |
| 02:30.22 | cogwheel | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mirc+highlight |
| 02:30.24 | cogwheel | ;) |
| 02:30.53 | Arrowmaster | mirc regex highlighting is PCRE |
| 02:31.16 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: way to miss what's in question :p |
| 02:31.39 | anesthesia | can you say my name? |
| 02:31.44 | Arrowmaster | i know but it took me a while to figure it out and ive personally verified that its PCRE |
| 02:31.53 | cogwheel | anesthesia: |
| 02:32.07 | anesthesia | ok, try now |
| 02:32.11 | Gnarfoz | well, anesthesia was just asking for highlighting in general, which should indeed just be a 'one checkbox' thing ;) |
| 02:32.14 | anesthesia | oh my |
| 02:32.17 | anesthesia | i can not read that |
| 02:32.39 | anesthesia | and no, it is not a checkbox thing. |
| 02:32.47 | anesthesia | You have to configure what words you want highlighted, etc. |
| 02:33.06 | anesthesia | testing anesthesia |
| 02:33.09 | Gnarfoz | is there a checkbox "enable highlighting"? :D |
| 02:33.35 | anesthesia | Enable highlight...and then you have to type in words you want highlighted. |
| 02:33.44 | anesthesia | So it is not as simple as checking a button. |
| 02:34.02 | anesthesia | Anyone else have Charter in NC? |
| 02:34.11 | cogwheel | seems like it should have a hard-coded option to highlight your own nick |
| 02:34.15 | Arrowmaster | just put "$me" in as the word |
| 02:34.23 | Gnarfoz | well, I don't see how putting your nick in that list is any more complicated than checking the box :> |
| 02:34.34 | anesthesia | Gnarfoz, I appreciate your input. |
| 02:34.40 | cog|away | Gnarfoz: ^^ |
| 02:34.45 | cogwheel | ;) |
| 02:35.34 | anesthesia | So Charter had a massive outage today. Anyone in NC that used them had no internet or telephone. I was pissed to say the least. |
| 02:35.41 | cogwheel | ^cog|[^a-zA-Z]cog <--- the pattern i use (simplifications welcome... ) |
| 02:35.44 | anesthesia | Out from 12pm-7pm. |
| 02:36.04 | Jelly_ | tackles cogwheel. |
| 02:36.12 | cogwheel | ~hug Jelly_ |
| 02:36.13 | purl | ACTION hugs Jelly_ |
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| 02:36.19 | anesthesia | Welcome! |
| 02:36.35 | anesthesia | ugh i work 1-7 tomorrow. |
| 02:36.46 | cogwheel | you call that "ugh"? :P |
| 02:36.56 | anesthesia | yes my whole day is gone |
| 02:37.29 | cogwheel | you sleep 18 hrs? XD |
| 02:37.34 | anesthesia | 12 |
| 02:38.13 | anesthesia | omg! |
| 02:38.14 | anesthesia | BYE!!!! |
| 02:38.31 | anesthesia | i dunno how to logout so im not, but i am not here |
| 02:38.41 | Gnarfoz | /quit |
| 02:38.52 | anesthesia | oh wow, i am in two rooms at once! |
| 02:38.55 | anesthesia | i didnt need to loguout |
| 02:39.14 | cogwheel | suddenly falls like they do in anime |
| 02:46.17 | cogwheel | slaps his wrist for mean thoughts -_- |
| 02:46.57 | cogwheel | /evilgrin |
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| 02:54.11 | Shirik | anyone see what's wrong with this? |
| 02:54.13 | Shirik | f:SetScript("OnEvent", function(self,evt,a1,a2,a3,a4,a5,a6,a7,a8,a9) if a7==65133 or a7=="65133" then SendChatMessage("You have Storm Cloud!", "WHISPER", nil, a5) end end); |
| 02:54.18 | Shirik | it doesn't seem to say it |
| 02:54.42 | Shirik | assuming event is SPELL_AURA_APPLIED |
| 02:54.47 | Shirik | I probably should chceck that too |
| 02:56.47 | cogwheel | lrn2... too ;) |
| 02:59.26 | Shirik | f:SetScript("OnEvent", function(self,evt,a1,a2,a3,a4,a5,a6,a7,a8,a9) if a2=="SPELL_AURA_APPLIED" and (a9==65133 or a9=="65133") then SendChatMessage("You have Storm Cloud!", "WHISPER", nil, a7) end end); |
| 02:59.28 | Shirik | something along those lines |
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| 03:00.33 | Shirik | 7/23 19:55:26.119 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0xF130008234008E4D,"Spiritwalker Tara",0x2000a18,0x0680000001A12048,"Galethil",0x514,65133,"Storm Cloud",0x8,BUFF |
| 03:00.35 | Shirik | for something like that |
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| 03:02.17 | Shirik | with f = CreateFrame"FRAME"; f:RegisterEvent("COMBAT_LOG_EVENT_UNFILTERED") |
| 03:04.14 | dardack_ | wow i'm digging this hybrid blood spec for dps, kinda don't want them to change how UB works now |
| 03:04.57 | |Jelly| | tackles Shirik! |
| 03:05.01 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:05.13 | A-KO | question. Does PlayerReagentCount() return 0 or nil if the player does not have that reagent? |
| 03:05.13 | |Jelly| | No :(! |
| 03:05.49 | cogwheel | !api playerreagentcount |
| 03:05.50 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'playerreagentcount'. |
| 03:06.10 | A-KO | it's like |
| 03:06.16 | A-KO | tradeskillreagentinfo() |
| 03:06.20 | A-KO | guess it should return 0 |
| 03:07.36 | cogwheel | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_categories#tradeskill might help? |
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| 03:17.03 | Shirik | youtube comments make my head hurt |
| 03:17.28 | mikma | people actually read them? |
| 03:17.52 | Shirik | "This songs i think tells of a werewolf" |
| 03:17.57 | Shirik | haha I made u readed one |
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| 03:18.58 | Shirik | tickles Seerah |
| 03:19.14 | Shirik | you should not lock the open door |
| 03:19.30 | Kraps | spellpower is really not good for DKs? |
| 03:19.55 | mikma | cairenn: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/parenting3.jpg |
| 03:20.05 | Cairenn | lol |
| 03:20.16 | mikma | kraps: no, str / ap is the one dk's spells use to scale up the power |
| 03:20.30 | Kraps | mmkay |
| 03:20.37 | mikma | altho! |
| 03:20.46 | mikma | spell penetration is important in pvp |
| 03:21.57 | Cairenn | whee, net split |
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| 03:21.57 | |Jelly| | tackles Cairenn while no one's here to see it! |
| 03:22.06 | Cairenn | chuckles |
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| 03:22.46 | Kraps | wooooo |
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| 03:23.23 | Kraps | the whole freenode broke |
| 03:23.34 | Seerah | finally, nickserv caught up with me. stupid pidgin though can't get font sizes right. I either have to squint or think it's too huge :p |
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| 03:25.47 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/new_york_art.jpg |
| 03:26.10 | Adys | the 3.2 tracebacks are amazing |
| 03:26.28 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/sleeping_positions.jpg |
| 03:26.34 | mikma | adys: how come |
| 03:28.07 | Corrodias | sleeping across chairs... we did that in the computer science department a couple times |
| 03:28.51 | mikma | cairenn: cause i such a cool guy, here's a picture for you! http://kuvaton.com/bshit/shatneric.jpg |
| 03:29.02 | Cairenn | ewwwww |
| 03:29.06 | mikma | cairenn: now, that image will stick in your mind |
| 03:29.09 | mikma | forever. |
| 03:29.17 | Adys | know what else tends to stick, mikma ? |
| 03:29.26 | ScytheBlade1 | the banstick |
| 03:29.26 | Cairenn | gets out the mental javax |
| 03:29.52 | Adys | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/samuel-l-jackson-playing-board-games.jpg |
| 03:30.02 | mikma | does he look like a bitch |
| 03:30.09 | mikma | thats awesome pic |
| 03:30.14 | Adys | Yeah |
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| 03:31.13 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjarne_Stroustrup |
| 03:31.19 | Adys | A rough English attempt at pronunciation of his name would be "B-yar-ne Strov-stroop" |
| 03:31.28 | Adys | Those guys dont know what the phonetical alphabet is for. |
| 03:33.28 | Shirik | so remove it |
| 03:34.14 | Adys | im not removing it otherwise what i just said wont make sense anymore |
| 03:34.19 | sacarasc | Bastard stole my birthday. Delete the whole article! |
| 03:34.46 | Adys | your mom stole my bday |
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| 03:35.53 | mikma | adys: so, what tracebacks and whyyyyyy |
| 03:35.54 | Kraps | audrey bitoni - school girl |
| 03:36.04 | Iriel | Gosh he looks old these days |
| 03:36.05 | Kraps | she has the best boobs 'she so cute' ,so beautiful in this vid |
| 03:36.11 | Adys | mikma: lua errors in 3.2 are a lot more verbose |
| 03:36.17 | Iriel | the lack of beard and grey hear must be the reason |
| 03:36.43 | mikma | adys: haste sais something that debugging tools are pretty much old stuff in 3.2 |
| 03:37.00 | mikma | adys: got a nice, juice ss of the new errors? |
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| 03:37.29 | Wobin | Cairenn: http://www.buzzfeed.com/expresident/a-man-and-his-wombat/ |
| 03:38.46 | Gnarfoz | Dr. Crusher: "He transformed into a spider and now he's got a disease named after him." - Troi: "I think I better clear my calendar for the next few weeks..." |
| 03:38.58 | Gnarfoz | ;o |
| 03:39.08 | Gnarfoz | who knows who they're talking about? :D |
| 03:39.16 | Cairenn | Wobin: cute (well, except for the implication, but yeah) |
| 03:39.26 | Adys | holy shit |
| 03:39.31 | Adys | my comp just frost for 3 min |
| 03:39.41 | Adys | hm that was wine |
| 03:40.10 | Adys | mikma: http://dpaste.com/70738/ |
| 03:41.25 | Gnarfoz | Adys: is that what Weagle was, once? |
| 03:41.29 | Adys | no |
| 03:41.43 | Adys | I wouldnt post it if it were :) |
| 03:41.48 | Gnarfoz | heh |
| 03:41.48 | mikma | oh thats nice |
| 03:41.56 | Gnarfoz | I don't even recall anymore :D |
| 03:42.23 | Gnarfoz | having locals there seems very useful |
| 03:43.53 | Adys | ooook wow |
| 03:43.58 | Adys | I cant login without freezing |
| 03:46.26 | mikma | then |
| 03:46.32 | mikma | put some clothes on man |
| 03:46.46 | Adys | i was gonna tell you not to do this joke |
| 03:46.54 | Adys | but i was busy sshing my way in to fix this shit |
| 03:47.20 | mikma | busy business elf |
| 03:52.30 | Shirik | understanding |
| 03:52.32 | Shirik | too demanding |
| 03:52.43 | Gnarfoz | metallica? |
| 03:53.00 | Shirik | negative |
| 03:53.06 | Shirik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A4WoHxL3GQ |
| 03:53.30 | Gnarfoz | oh |
| 03:53.33 | Gnarfoz | right, Sonata Arctica |
| 03:53.44 | Gnarfoz | heh wonder how I misplaced that |
| 03:55.12 | mikma | yey finnish band |
| 03:55.25 | mikma | shirik: Amorphis, Go! |
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| 03:57.32 | kaiden | Anyone know of an addon that will ignore all players that aren't over a certain level range? |
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| 03:57.47 | mikma | BadBoy+plugins |
| 03:58.21 | kaiden | nice, thanks |
| 03:59.19 | Shirik | kaiden: Be aware that there is no way to actually know that information |
| 03:59.23 | Shirik | so you're going to delay your whispers, etc. |
| 03:59.49 | kaiden | dont really care about that |
| 04:00.05 | kaiden | have this loser flooding me with tells from random low level guys because i booted him from a party |
| 04:00.18 | kaiden | and his tenacity surpasses his ignorance |
| 04:00.19 | kaiden | hehe |
| 04:00.33 | kaiden | or persistance should i say |
| 04:01.22 | Shirik | I like tenacity |
| 04:01.34 | Adys | particularly when it stacks to twenty |
| 04:01.37 | Shirik | btw kaiden |
| 04:01.39 | Shirik | just report spam |
| 04:01.42 | Shirik | he can't have that many accounts |
| 04:01.43 | mikma | badboy's plugin will reply to the person .. |
| 04:02.03 | Shirik | report spam ignores his entire account |
| 04:02.17 | Gnarfoz | indeed |
| 04:02.25 | kaiden | dont you have to report it from multiple different people? |
| 04:02.28 | kaiden | or is it automatic |
| 04:02.37 | Shirik | for you, it ignores the entire account |
| 04:02.38 | Gnarfoz | it does at least 2 things |
| 04:02.47 | Gnarfoz | report to blizz, and ignore the entire account for you |
| 04:02.53 | Gnarfoz | (that sticks until you log out) |
| 04:02.54 | Adys | Okay I got a problem here |
| 04:03.09 | kaiden | ah nifty |
| 04:03.10 | kaiden | ok |
| 04:03.12 | kaiden | didn't know that :) |
| 04:03.14 | mikma | adys: now you got cold? |
| 04:03.30 | Adys | No |
| 04:03.45 | kaiden | badboy seems to be doing it automatically too |
| 04:03.48 | kaiden | so that's nice |
| 04:03.56 | Adys | my problem is |
| 04:04.06 | Adys | when I visit a vendor I want to iterate through the sold items |
| 04:04.41 | Adys | but if i do that before every item is cached I get an error |
| 04:04.46 | Adys | is there an event sent? |
| 04:06.07 | Gnarfoz | kaiden: yes, that's BadBoy's original purpose - however it won't catch some guy spamming you, just gold sellers |
| 04:06.23 | kaiden | well i got the levels plugin |
| 04:07.23 | Gnarfoz | that won't change the pattern matching, though ^^ |
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| 04:15.00 | Shirik | what the crap |
| 04:15.06 | Shirik | lua> string.format("%f", 0/0) |
| 04:15.07 | lua_bot | Shirik: nan |
| 04:15.13 | Shirik | sigh |
| 04:16.02 | Shirik | batbot: string.format("%f", 0/0) |
| 04:16.07 | Shirik | --> string.format("%f", 0/0) |
| 04:16.07 | batbot | Shirik: > nan |
| 04:16.11 | Shirik | double sigh |
| 04:20.06 | Thunder_Child | ~comfort Shirik |
| 04:20.07 | purl | There, there, Shirik. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 04:21.20 | kd3 | no frigging way... again? |
| 04:21.28 | kd3 | looks like they are doing 8 eps of endless eight |
| 04:21.29 | kd3 | >.< |
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| 04:25.21 | kd3 | in other news... lol at xkcd |
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| 04:35.59 | Thunder_Child | meh |
| 04:39.15 | Shirik | I think I figured out what Blizzard did to fuck up logins |
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| 05:13.17 | Shirik | omg fu hodir |
| 05:13.21 | Shirik | killed in 3 minutes 3 seconds |
| 05:13.26 | Wobin | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1201105/What-scream-Adrenaline-junkie-skates-860-metre-roller-coaster--just-60-seconds.html |
| 05:13.50 | Wobin | shirik: more dots, clearly |
| 05:20.49 | Shirik | ok I'm confused to hell |
| 05:20.53 | Shirik | there's this rogue in our guild |
| 05:20.58 | Shirik | he has an alt... that's a rogue |
| 05:21.05 | Shirik | and he just added another alt to the guild |
| 05:21.10 | Shirik | that's a rogue |
| 05:21.53 | Iriel | So, he likes rogues? |
| 05:22.28 | Lukian | Shirik, I'm sure he has another 3 for pvp specs |
| 05:22.36 | Lukian | oh wait, dual spec means he only needs 3 :> |
| 05:25.06 | Shirik | sigh |
| 05:25.08 | Shirik | I'm asking him why |
| 05:25.18 | Shirik | and he's saying "I like to FoK" "Sometimes I like to FoK with different races" |
| 05:25.29 | Shirik | "I FoK everything" |
| 05:26.05 | Corrodias | smirk |
| 05:28.26 | Gnarfoz | hrhr |
| 05:28.37 | Gnarfoz | we have a guy with 3 paladins in our guild :D |
| 05:28.48 | Gnarfoz | also someone with 2 DKs ;o |
| 05:29.03 | Adys | is it safe to assume your GUID is always identical through relogs/maintenances |
| 05:29.09 | Gnarfoz | yes |
| 05:29.14 | Adys | and only changes when you transfer, change gender etc |
| 05:29.14 | Adys | ok |
| 05:29.30 | Corrodias | they enabled gender changes? wild. |
| 05:29.38 | Gnarfoz | yeah a while ago |
| 05:29.52 | Corrodias | do they still charge $25 to move a single character across realms? |
| 05:29.56 | Adys | $10 |
| 05:29.58 | Gnarfoz | Adys: only thing I'm not sure about: the recent battlegroup merges seem to have affected GUIDs |
| 05:30.10 | Corrodias | well well, that's a little better |
| 05:30.10 | Gnarfoz | no, $20 afaik |
| 05:30.12 | Wobin | also, dear god: http://www.eatliver.com/i.php?n=4520 |
| 05:30.15 | Adys | doesnt really matter |
| 05:30.16 | Corrodias | $20 isn't much better though |
| 05:30.16 | Adys | thanks |
| 05:30.26 | Gnarfoz | $10 is name change, isn't it? |
| 05:30.38 | Gnarfoz | not sure, I only know the euro prices ^^ |
| 05:30.57 | Adys | http://pastey.net/118041 does this look decent |
| 05:30.58 | Wobin | yeah something like that |
| 05:30.58 | Adys | or what |
| 05:31.48 | Corrodias | oh don't worry. dollar == euro, rite? :awesome: |
| 05:32.07 | Gnarfoz | nah, they're different amounts |
| 05:32.33 | Corrodias | that's the joke, etc |
| 05:32.37 | Gnarfoz | hm? |
| 05:32.45 | Adys | it was sarcasm |
| 05:32.51 | Corrodias | see all the sarcasm i piled onto that statement up there |
| 05:32.54 | Gnarfoz | *shrug* |
| 05:33.05 | Corrodias | rite, :awesome:, these are not serious things, don't worry. i know the difference. |
| 05:33.08 | Gnarfoz | < not US based |
| 05:33.40 | Gnarfoz | anyway, renames are 8€ for example, recustomization is 20€, as is transfer, IIRC |
| 05:37.06 | Thunder_Child | http://notalwaysright.com/thats-one-heckuva-mega-bite/2103 |
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| 05:55.44 | Yssaril | tekkub: if i start pulling LDB from wowace it will break the nolib versions of my addon since it will not include LDB any thoughts? |
| 05:56.18 | tekkub | it will? hrm... |
| 05:56.22 | Yssaril | yep |
| 05:56.31 | tekkub | how do you do libstub then? |
| 05:56.41 | tekkub | and callback handler |
| 05:56.48 | tekkub | they're both on ace also, right? |
| 05:57.12 | Arrowmaster | those are safe because libraries using them will load first |
| 05:57.25 | Arrowmaster | because you optdep the libraries you are using |
| 05:58.00 | Yssaril | never thought about it but what arrow said makes sense |
| 05:58.00 | tekkub | but what if you're using CBH directly? |
| 05:58.07 | tekkub | or does noone do that at all |
| 05:58.20 | Arrowmaster | nobody uses just libstub and cbh |
| 05:58.49 | tekkub | well, if they're using LDB and nothing else that uses CBH, they would.. |
| 05:59.02 | Arrowmaster | right, you break everything |
| 05:59.10 | Yssaril | hmm i just checked apperatly the curseclient installs CBH and libstub as standalone |
| 05:59.23 | Arrowmaster | it does but they wont be loaded properly |
| 05:59.31 | Arrowmaster | since nobody optdeps them |
| 05:59.38 | tekkub | how does it do that? I thought they had no standalone? |
| 06:00.11 | Arrowmaster | they do but nobody is suppost to use them |
| 06:00.28 | tekkub | so that failure is in whoever made the standalone there :P |
| 06:01.14 | tekkub | there must be some regexp in the package to not try to standalone anything that's not on ace's repos |
| 06:01.31 | tekkub | cause supposedly people were .pkgmeta-ing LDB on github |
| 06:01.39 | Arrowmaster | exactly |
| 06:01.44 | Yssaril | thats what i did and it worked just fine |
| 06:01.46 | Arrowmaster | its always been that way |
| 06:01.53 | Torhal | tekkub: In that case, it didn't do standalone because it was off-site and therefore not guaranteed to have a toc |
| 06:01.56 | tekkub | couldn't that be extended to LibStub, CBH and LDB's repos? |
| 06:01.57 | Arrowmaster | even the old wowace svn was like that |
| 06:02.03 | Torhal | I think it should work the same for projects without a toc |
| 06:02.18 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: i asked but ckk wouldnt add an exception for it to the code |
| 06:02.32 | Torhal | I think assuming everything will be standalone is retarded. |
| 06:02.32 | tekkub | yea he won't do jack shit if it's just for me :P |
| 06:02.41 | tekkub | but this is LibStub and CBh too |
| 06:03.06 | Torhal | I never understood why there were standalone versions of them if there weren't supposed to be. |
| 06:03.30 | tekkub | actually, yea, the package downloads the libs for the not-no-embed version... shouldn't it know if it's standaloneable or not at that point? |
| 06:03.45 | tekkub | because someone made one without permission probably |
| 06:03.48 | Arrowmaster | wont do anything, originally the new wowace included libstub and cbh in nolib zips because they were being pulled from tags instead of trunk but that was declaired a 'bug' |
| 06:04.09 | Yssaril | ckknight: can we get a .pkgmeta tag to always embed a lib? even in -nolib files? |
| 06:04.16 | Arrowmaster | no |
| 06:04.26 | Arrowmaster | but you have a .pkgmeta tag to never create nolibs |
| 06:04.29 | tekkub | I thought there was something like that... |
| 06:04.38 | tekkub | oh that's what I'm thinking of |
| 06:04.57 | Yssaril | Arrowmaster: i know but i want a nolib version :) |
| 06:04.59 | Arrowmaster | nev added the toc's to libstub and cbh when ckk changed the packager because he thought everything was going to blow up |
| 06:05.09 | tekkub | Yssaril: you can confirm that your nolib version has no LDB is it? |
| 06:05.14 | Torhal | enable-nolib-creation: no |
| 06:05.18 | Yssaril | tekkub: yup |
| 06:05.21 | Torhal | tekkub: ^^ |
| 06:05.28 | tekkub | okey I'll make big bold notes for people |
| 06:05.36 | tekkub | HARD EMBED ONLY |
| 06:05.39 | Yssaril | http://www.wowace.com/addons/ysscompare/files/7666-0-1-2b-nolib/ |
| 06:05.41 | Arrowmaster | ..... |
| 06:05.57 | Torhal | tekkub: Then you have to also rely on them editing their project's reverse relationships |
| 06:06.01 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: thats even worse, why are you making people jump through all these hoops to give you credit |
| 06:06.03 | Torhal | This is getting way out of hand. |
| 06:06.16 | Arrowmaster | just make a damn standalone for it |
| 06:06.29 | Arrowmaster | if you want it on wowace that is |
| 06:06.30 | tekkub | Arrow, I'm not making them jump through hoops.. LDB has *ALWAYS* been hard-embed only |
| 06:06.44 | tekkub | but that didn't stop people from .pkgmetaing github |
| 06:06.48 | Arrowmaster | which is stupid |
| 06:06.59 | tekkub | well it's how I want my library used :P |
| 06:07.05 | Arrowmaster | imho files that arent part of the project should never be in the repo |
| 06:07.30 | tekkub | then make it so I can enforce that thru .pkgmeta :P |
| 06:07.40 | Arrowmaster | enforce what? |
| 06:07.51 | tekkub | no "latest" no "trunk" |
| 06:07.55 | tekkub | only specific tags |
| 06:08.03 | Torhal | tekkub: See what happens if you add "enable-nolib-creation: no" to LDB's .pkgmeta :P |
| 06:08.26 | Torhal | Bah. Nevermind. It'll only affect LDB's zipfile |
| 06:08.32 | tekkub | what would that do to LDB? or is that picked up by the packager? |
| 06:08.34 | Yssaril | tekkub: doesn't help i am using the specifig tag setting and it dosnt include it in the nolib |
| 06:09.02 | tekkub | Yssaril: yea, sorry |
| 06:09.09 | Arrowmaster | oh yeah Yssaril, whats with you pushing stuff to refs/remotes/origin/master on wowace? |
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| 06:09.27 | tekkub | I thought ace's packager was smart enought to know when not to nolib it because LibStub and CBH were like that |
| 06:09.36 | Yssaril | Arrowmaster: hmmm interesting |
| 06:09.36 | tekkub | and people had .pkgmeta'd libstub |
| 06:10.05 | Arrowmaster | tekkub: libstub isnt an issue because other libraries include it so it gets loaded from the libraries standalone |
| 06:10.31 | Arrowmaster | libstub has always been that way since before the repo change |
| 06:10.37 | tekkub | that's not a guarentee though |
| 06:10.41 | tekkub | highly likely, yes |
| 06:11.27 | Arrowmaster | libraries should have "enable-nolib-creation: no" set since they dont need nolibs, so then they will always have libstub |
| 06:14.53 | Yssaril | Arrowmaster: seams that might be a sideeffect of using mirror = true when pushing (with mirror set to true) it pushes everything (even tags) so i dont have to push twice once for commits and another one for tags |
| 06:15.25 | Arrowmaster | yeah dont have mirror = true set |
| 06:16.05 | Yssaril | ran into problems without it where it would create the alpha package but not the tag package when pushing back to back |
| 06:16.32 | tekkub | Yssaril: git? |
| 06:16.34 | Yssaril | is it a problem to push with mirror |
| 06:16.38 | tekkub | git push --tags origin master |
| 06:16.50 | tekkub | mirror is meant for bare repos, you shouldn't be using it |
| 06:16.58 | Yssaril | ignore last msg |
| 06:17.04 | Yssaril | ohhh nice |
| 06:17.31 | Yssaril | tekkub: is there a way to set it up that it will do that when i simply git push? |
| 06:17.42 | tekkub | there's also --all for push, which should push all local branches and tags |
| 06:17.50 | tekkub | make an alias? |
| 06:18.11 | tekkub | alias gp="git push --all origin" or something |
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| 06:18.28 | Arrowmaster | or add more push= lines to .git/config |
| 06:19.05 | Yssaril | hmm let me try that |
| 06:19.36 | tekkub | there's some alias stuff in git too, never played with it myself |
| 06:19.45 | tekkub | you could make something like git pushall |
| 06:19.46 | Arrowmaster | using mirror also allows for tags to be changed easily which you shouldnt do |
| 06:20.15 | tekkub | yea mirror is for very specific use (making a mirror repo!) |
| 06:20.47 | Arrowmaster | well i just put in the first dvd of a 50 dvd box set, afk |
| 06:20.56 | Torhal | lol? |
| 06:21.45 | Arrowmaster | wth no play all? |
| 06:22.28 | Arrowmaster | if you know which series have 50 dvd box sets you would know what im watching |
| 06:22.36 | Arrowmaster | its a channel favorite |
| 06:23.45 | Torhal | SG-1 |
| 06:23.54 | Arrowmaster | how did you guess? |
| 06:24.16 | Torhal | Hadn't seen it talked about on here in awhile, but it was the only one I could think of. |
| 06:25.09 | tekkub | http://www.curseforge.com/projects/curseforge-packager/tickets/10-support-for-forcing-specific-externals-into-nolib-packages/ |
| 06:25.11 | tekkub | vote up! |
| 06:25.20 | tekkub | it's only like 7 months old... |
| 06:25.29 | Arrowmaster | it will never get added |
| 06:25.45 | Yssaril | tekkub: woot alias workes like a charm |
| 06:25.53 | tekkub | alias? |
| 06:25.55 | tekkub | oh |
| 06:26.03 | tekkub | thank you short term memory |
| 06:26.57 | Yssaril | lol |
| 06:28.42 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, 5 disks a season? |
| 06:29.08 | Arrowmaster | i guess |
| 06:30.00 | Arrowmaster | im bored and it was a christmas gift a few years ago |
| 06:32.10 | Torhal | Damn. It has been that long since the last episode., |
| 06:36.24 | Yssaril | tekkub: i love how that issue is still set to New - Issue has not had initial review yet. |
| 06:36.37 | tekkub | yea |
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| 08:27.14 | Adys | HURRAY |
| 08:27.19 | Adys | I just permanently uninstalled firefox |
| 08:34.50 | Conexion | BLASPHEMY |
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| 08:35.03 | Adys | it can suck my tiny ass |
| 08:35.15 | Conexion | You'll come back! You'll miss... the add-ons... and themes .... and YEAH! |
| 08:35.21 | Adys | I got addons |
| 08:35.27 | Adys | i dont use shitty themes, chrome's builtin is awesome |
| 08:35.34 | Conexion | Ha, true :p |
| 08:35.36 | Adys | only addon i use really is firebug |
| 08:35.43 | Adys | and webkit's webdev tools are awesome too |
| 08:36.03 | Adys | the only thing that was stopping me was flash |
| 08:36.24 | Conexion | Heh |
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| 08:37.17 | krka | how do you handle dual specs and syncing of action bars? |
| 08:37.32 | Kalroth | Woot, I just downloaded Chrome, installed it, opened it up, spent 2 mins looking at it, closed it, uninstalled it and deleted the setup file! |
| 08:37.49 | Kalroth | krka: the client does it automagically |
| 08:38.04 | Adys | foff Kalroth |
| 08:38.12 | Adys | this is the second best day of my life |
| 08:38.13 | krka | i mean i want the action bars to look the same, regardless of spec |
| 08:38.17 | Adys | the first best day hasnt come yet |
| 08:38.30 | Adys | it'll be when I uninstall flash and just use youtube's video tag |
| 08:38.39 | Kalroth | krka: action bar saver |
| 08:39.31 | krka | thanks Kalroth, looks good |
| 08:39.59 | Conexion | It will be a beautiful day when <video> permanently replaces flash |
| 08:40.12 | Thunder_Child | Adys, the fact that you need youtube that badly means that you can never have a good day in your life |
| 08:40.19 | Kalroth | ^ |
| 08:41.00 | Adys | its 99% of my flash usage |
| 08:41.04 | Adys | the other 1% being vimeo |
| 08:41.12 | Thunder_Child | and 100% of your fail |
| 08:41.45 | Adys | I dont smoke, I dont drink, I dont do drugs and I dont use twitter, gimme a fucking break on youtube :P |
| 08:41.48 | Conexion | Heh |
| 08:42.12 | Thunder_Child | Adys, same, same, same, same, hell no |
| 08:42.15 | Conexion | I tried to Twitter... but then I was like... why the hell does it matter what I post, and stopped |
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| 09:20.56 | Adys | !api zone |
| 09:20.56 | lua_bot | Found 14 possible matches for 'zone'. Please be more specific |
| 09:21.01 | Adys | !api ZONE |
| 09:21.01 | lua_bot | Found 14 possible matches for 'ZONE'. Please be more specific |
| 09:21.07 | Adys | !api ZONE_UPDATE |
| 09:21.07 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for 'ZONE_UPDATE'. |
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| 09:29.16 | jnwhiteh | Adys: thanks :P |
| 09:29.29 | jnwhiteh | so.. |
| 09:29.37 | jnwhiteh | can anyone see any issues with this hierarchy graph? |
| 09:29.37 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/13629d24ff5eb55e3e0e053065cd9fd5.png |
| 09:29.42 | Adys | you get pinged when someone edits? :p |
| 09:29.56 | jnwhiteh | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/13629d24ff5eb55e3e0e053065cd9fd5.png is a much larger version that shows what methods are defined in each |
| 09:30.00 | jnwhiteh | Adys: in #wowprogramming yeah |
| 09:30.04 | jnwhiteh | the bot reports all page edits |
| 09:30.07 | Adys | o |
| 09:30.11 | jnwhiteh | so i can more quickly respond to forum posts, etc. |
| 09:31.59 | Adys | is there a wikilike diff ? |
| 09:32.05 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 09:32.08 | jnwhiteh | under "history" |
| 09:32.34 | jnwhiteh | or, depends on what you mean |
| 09:32.40 | Adys | for a page |
| 09:32.44 | jnwhiteh | you can add .diff to the end of the page to get a diff against the last version |
| 09:32.54 | Adys | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/events/ITEM_TEXT_TRANSLATION |
| 09:32.56 | Adys | the hell is that |
| 09:33.05 | Adys | also, Sorry, that action is not allowed |
| 09:33.12 | jnwhiteh | are you logged in? |
| 09:33.28 | Adys | Ya |
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| 09:33.53 | jnwhiteh | try now |
| 09:33.56 | jnwhiteh | on a function page |
| 09:34.00 | jnwhiteh | i'll get to events in a moment. |
| 09:34.03 | Adys | ah |
| 09:34.20 | Adys | near |
| 09:34.23 | Adys | neat, even |
| 09:34.33 | jnwhiteh | should be able to do it on events and widgets now. |
| 09:34.56 | Adys | lists only the last one |
| 09:35.00 | Adys | oh, nvm |
| 09:35.02 | Adys | I see it |
| 09:35.21 | jnwhiteh | .diff shows the last change, .history shows em all |
| 09:35.45 | Adys | WHAT THE FUCK how many times a millisecond does WORLD_MAP_UPDATE fire |
| 09:35.53 | jnwhiteh | Adys: it shouldnt |
| 09:35.58 | jnwhiteh | unless you have a race condition that's causing it to |
| 09:36.05 | Adys | every time i move? |
| 09:36.14 | jnwhiteh | that's an addon causing it |
| 09:36.16 | jnwhiteh | almost certainly |
| 09:36.17 | Adys | actually no |
| 09:36.19 | Adys | yeah it is |
| 09:36.42 | Adys | im getting a bunch of c stack overflows by opening the map |
| 09:37.02 | Adys | err:ntdll:RtlpWaitForCriticalSection section 0x8eabef4 "?" wait timed out in thread 0030, blocked by 0009, retrying (60 sec) |
| 09:37.02 | Adys | Segmentation fault |
| 09:37.09 | jnwhiteh | neato |
| 09:37.28 | Adys | grr |
| 09:37.42 | Adys | is there a way to capture when the map changes level? |
| 09:37.53 | Adys | eg dalaran sewers/city |
| 09:38.09 | jnwhiteh | !api LEVEL |
| 09:38.10 | lua_bot | Found 23 possible matches for 'LEVEL'. Please be more specific |
| 09:38.12 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 09:38.26 | Adys | !api FLOOR |
| 09:38.26 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'FLOOR': math.floor, floor |
| 09:38.30 | Adys | meh |
| 09:38.47 | Adys | !api |
| 09:38.48 | jnwhiteh | i dont have any way to test that =/ |
| 09:39.00 | jnwhiteh | disable all addons and use /dtevents and see what fires? |
| 09:39.06 | jnwhiteh | actually i can test on PTR maybe |
| 09:39.11 | jnwhiteh | whats a dungeon with multiple floors? |
| 09:39.17 | Adys | dalaran |
| 09:39.18 | Adys | :P |
| 09:39.26 | jnwhiteh | ah |
| 09:39.26 | jnwhiteh | duur |
| 09:42.42 | Dagmar | I know one but you're not going to like it |
| 09:42.42 | Dagmar | Marudon. |
| 09:42.42 | Adys | gnamuregon |
| 09:42.59 | Dagmar | Oooh yeah Gnomeregan is a hell of a lot easier to _get to_ as well |
| 09:43.02 | kollektiv | zone_changed_indoors i think |
| 09:43.03 | jnwhiteh | Adys: if any event fires, its WORLD_MAP_UPDATE |
| 09:43.24 | jnwhiteh | but we can likely get it fixed |
| 09:43.29 | jnwhiteh | the default UI cannot do this |
| 09:43.33 | jnwhiteh | and it likely should be able to |
| 09:43.35 | jnwhiteh | so I'll make a note. |
| 09:43.47 | Adys | what you mean? |
| 09:43.53 | jnwhiteh | if you auto run |
| 09:43.57 | jnwhiteh | own the sewer tunnel |
| 09:44.02 | jnwhiteh | and have the world map open while you do this |
| 09:44.07 | jnwhiteh | the world map doesn't see that you've changed |
| 09:44.13 | jnwhiteh | your player arrow disappears |
| 09:44.18 | jnwhiteh | but the map stays the same |
| 09:44.19 | Adys | yeah |
| 09:44.20 | Adys | hm meh |
| 09:44.35 | jnwhiteh | WORLD_MAP_UPDATE |
| 09:44.41 | jnwhiteh | and UPDATE_WORLD_STATES fire |
| 09:44.47 | jnwhiteh | but there's no guarantee that's now WG |
| 09:44.56 | Adys | im just firing SetMapToCurrentZone every time I get the loc |
| 09:44.57 | Adys | easier |
| 09:45.02 | jnwhiteh | you'd need to be in non-northrend to test that. |
| 09:45.09 | jnwhiteh | Adys: no no dont please =) |
| 09:45.22 | Adys | why? |
| 09:45.27 | jnwhiteh | and please tell me you're never doing that in response to a WORLD_MAP_UPDATE |
| 09:45.39 | jnwhiteh | because you then have to set it back, and that spams the FUCK out of WORLD_MAP_UPDATE for any other addon |
| 09:45.42 | Adys | No, was confu.. oh. |
| 09:45.48 | Adys | yeah that would be it :D |
| 09:46.06 | jnwhiteh | a.) if you respond to WORLD_MAP_UPDATE with a SetmapToCurrentZone |
| 09:46.14 | jnwhiteh | you may cause a infinite recursion in the client |
| 09:46.23 | Adys | Yeah explains the stack overflows here |
| 09:46.26 | jnwhiteh | alternatively, you'll just create a race condition on the event that spams it like crazy. |
| 09:46.43 | Adys | either way I only query the location every time i interact with a npc |
| 09:46.46 | Adys | which is not often |
| 09:47.00 | jnwhiteh | then just set the map back |
| 09:47.05 | jnwhiteh | and dont' respond to WORLD_MAP_UPDATE :P |
| 09:47.23 | Adys | guess ill do that yeha |
| 09:48.30 | Adys | hm |
| 09:48.39 | Adys | is there some general event that fires when you interact with a npc? |
| 09:48.51 | Adys | as in, when UnitGUID("npc") isnt nil anymore |
| 09:49.28 | jnwhiteh | yes... |
| 09:49.35 | jnwhiteh | but there are a few of them |
| 09:49.37 | jnwhiteh | merchant frame |
| 09:49.39 | jnwhiteh | gossip frame |
| 09:49.40 | jnwhiteh | quest frame |
| 09:49.47 | Adys | Yeah hence why I wondered about a general one :P |
| 09:49.48 | jnwhiteh | !api _INTERACT |
| 09:49.48 | lua_bot | Could not find a match for '_INTERACT'. |
| 09:49.56 | pb_ee1 | !api GetLocale |
| 09:49.56 | lua_bot | GetLocale: Returns a code indicating the localization currently in use by the client (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetLocale) |
| 09:50.26 | Adys | enGB isnt ever returned |
| 09:50.33 | jnwhiteh | not from that function, no. |
| 09:50.39 | jnwhiteh | you can get enGB from GetCVar("locale") |
| 09:52.28 | pb_ee1 | thanks for the additional note ;p |
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| 10:04.09 | Adys | GetExtendedItemInfoThis is a Blizzard internal function |
| 10:04.13 | Adys | jnwhiteh: its not |
| 10:04.24 | jnwhiteh | whats it do? |
| 10:04.31 | Adys | nothing, its deprecated |
| 10:05.00 | Adys | extended costs are defined for each npc |
| 10:05.46 | jnwhiteh | i added the deprecated flag to the function |
| 10:05.53 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api_flags is the list of valid flags |
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| 10:16.35 | Fisker | btw jnwhiteh |
| 10:16.40 | Fisker | you got a hon invite you're not using? |
| 10:18.37 | jnwhiteh | yesd |
| 10:20.48 | Fisker | mind giving one to a friend of mine? :3 |
| 10:22.11 | zeheres | is there some win32 tool/addon whatever that cleans up your interface/wtf folder and erases non-used files etc? |
| 10:24.35 | Nihlo | almost every addon-updater |
| 10:24.53 | zeheres | can you recommend one? |
| 10:25.11 | zeheres | never used such addon since i've always updated manually |
| 10:25.28 | Nihlo | that's the best way anyway |
| 10:25.31 | amro | Antiarc: ping |
| 10:25.43 | Antiarc | pong |
| 10:26.11 | amro | Antiarc: got gtalk or some other IM? got a few questions about your fix to sigrie tooltips |
| 10:26.21 | Antiarc | cheald at gmail is my preferred IM |
| 10:26.31 | Fisker | ties up Antiarc |
| 10:26.40 | Antiarc | brb, water |
| 10:26.48 | Adys | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetPackageInfo |
| 10:26.58 | Adys | fun they actually implemented it somewhat |
| 10:28.22 | Antiarc | eh? |
| 10:28.42 | Adys | packages were something npcs could sell |
| 10:28.51 | Adys | like you could have a package for an entire arena set |
| 10:31.29 | Cruciformer | mornin all |
| 10:31.33 | Adys | morning |
| 10:31.54 | zeheres | anyone made good experience with "wow crap cleaner"? |
| 10:32.42 | Cruciformer | So the other day someone said that things in wow Lua were single threaded and esentially "sequentially" executed. I have annecdotal evidence to the contrary :/ |
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| 10:34.31 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: .. okay, go on. |
| 10:34.57 | jnwhiteh | because I stand by that statement, not that I was the one who said it. |
| 10:35.08 | Arrowmaster | http://esolangs.org/wiki/IRP |
| 10:35.09 | Arrowmaster | lol |
| 10:35.38 | Cruciformer | Ok So I have two events hooked: LOOT_OPENED and LOOT_CLOSED. During the processing of LOOT_OPENED, where I examine loot and auto-loot things like money etc, a LOOT_CLOSED fires. That LOOT_CLOSED event is handled before my LOOT_OPENED is done porcessing. |
| 10:35.52 | jnwhiteh | that's not possible |
| 10:36.10 | jnwhiteh | please post your code |
| 10:36.13 | Arrowmaster | unless maybe you triggered the LOOT_CLOSED during your LOOT_OPENED |
| 10:36.19 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: you can't. |
| 10:36.29 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: unless you call your own handler, event handling in WoW isn't pre-emptive |
| 10:36.35 | jnwhiteh | so that can't happen |
| 10:36.45 | Cruciformer | jnwhiteh: You can possibly. if the mob just had money on it and I LootItem() the money if LootSlotisCoin() is true. |
| 10:36.46 | Arrowmaster | yes it can, it does with LoadAddOn() |
| 10:37.15 | jnwhiteh | hrm |
| 10:37.36 | Cruciformer | but even if it DID fire during processing shoukldnt the LOOT_OPENED code still run to completion? |
| 10:37.51 | jnwhiteh | it depends |
| 10:37.59 | Cruciformer | jnwhiteh: I can certainly post the code but it would be really hard to distill it down to a small case. |
| 10:38.04 | Arrowmaster | well its not exactly an event but if you do LoadAddOn() during the main chunk of an addon the 2nd addons ADDON_LOADED will fire first |
| 10:38.15 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: that's not pre-emption :P |
| 10:38.37 | Arrowmaster | perty sure it fires before processing even goes back to the rest of the code after the LoadAddOn() |
| 10:38.44 | jnwhiteh | that would be |
| 10:38.49 | jnwhiteh | and that's an interesting case. |
| 10:39.07 | Cruciformer | one sec while I prepare a pstey. Sorry it cant be smaller. |
| 10:39.30 | Arrowmaster | remember the interesting inf loop and stack overflow i found in the wrath beta |
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| 10:39.47 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: I don't disbelieve you |
| 10:39.53 | jnwhiteh | but I don't think we fully understand what is happening |
| 10:39.57 | jnwhiteh | that's why I want to look into it |
| 10:40.03 | jnwhiteh | I don't mind being wrong if it increases our understanding. |
| 10:42.27 | Fisker | zomg please jnwhiteh ? |
| 10:44.46 | jnwhiteh | Fisker: pm me the email |
| 10:46.48 | Cruciformer | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/118055 |
| 10:46.58 | Cruciformer | I hope I didnt trim anything useful but I dont think I did. |
| 10:47.46 | Cruciformer | FYI the prin sequence displayed is "rbl:start", "loot_closed" and "rbl:end" |
| 10:48.26 | Cruciformer | and it shouldnt be ... "rbl:end" should (I expected) come before loot_closed. |
| 10:49.09 | jnwhiteh | lemme look |
| 10:49.56 | jnwhiteh | interesting |
| 10:50.04 | jnwhiteh | i have a minimal test case that will sometimes show this happening. |
| 10:50.24 | jnwhiteh | but its very difficult to say |
| 10:50.27 | Cruciformer | the ctual error I am getting is on line 35, where I try to get #ksk.bossloot. Its failing becuase that was set to nil in the loot close event |
| 10:50.28 | jnwhiteh | since we're interacting with widgets as well |
| 10:50.36 | jnwhiteh | let me play some more. |
| 10:53.57 | Nargiddley | I'm sure i've seen similar behaviour with BANKFRAME_CLOSED, although that was the same event firing from inside its handler |
| 10:55.03 | Cruciformer | Nargiddley: the interesting thing is that the LOOT_CLOSED event appears to pre-empt the code thats still running in the LOOT_OPENED handler. |
| 10:55.16 | Nargiddley | yeah |
| 10:56.11 | jnwhiteh | If i can reproduce it with the code I have now |
| 10:56.12 | Arrowmaster | you have to be doing something thats triggering the loot_closed event in your code |
| 10:56.14 | jnwhiteh | we should be able to know |
| 10:56.19 | jnwhiteh | I actually suspect the issue is elswhere |
| 10:56.34 | jnwhiteh | because as far as we understand, events are buffered and the processing of an event does not happen until afterwards |
| 10:56.38 | Nargiddley | its in Baggins I had the behaviour, at one point I ended up hiding the bank frame from within the handler and got infinite recursion |
| 10:56.39 | Arrowmaster | i suspect its because of the LootSlot() |
| 10:56.41 | jnwhiteh | i suppose unless the event is entirely client side |
| 10:56.44 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: naturally |
| 10:56.49 | Cruciformer | Now it doesnt always happen. It seems from what I can tell to only happen when the mob has only gold on it and line 28 gets executed, which would cause LOOT_CLOSED to fire. |
| 10:56.57 | jnwhiteh | just trying to figure out the behavior. |
| 10:57.20 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: that's the condition under which I saw it as well |
| 10:57.36 | jnwhiteh | i'll get us clarification |
| 10:57.37 | jnwhiteh | ust need info |
| 10:57.49 | Cruciformer | Arrowmaster: even if LootSlot() does cause the event to fire, why wouldnt the existing handler run to completion first? |
| 10:57.50 | Arrowmaster | i would think it could be solved by doing everything you need to before doing the LootSlot() |
| 10:58.27 | Arrowmaster | because by calling LootSlot() and looting the last item you trigger the loot window being closed since its now empty |
| 10:58.54 | Arrowmaster | i swear ive seen this happen with lots of other stuff including the wacky worldmap stuff |
| 10:59.03 | Cruciformer | I understand ... but regardless. I am in an event handler. Another event fires. That second event is pre-empting my first event. |
| 10:59.08 | jnwhiteh | *nod* |
| 10:59.13 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 10:59.15 | jnwhiteh | he's saying this happens |
| 10:59.22 | jnwhiteh | and i'm trying to figure out under what conditions and why |
| 10:59.33 | jnwhiteh | in the meanitme, fixing your code shouldn't be that hard. |
| 10:59.35 | Arrowmaster | right, but the only reason that the other event is firing is because you are directly causing it to happen |
| 10:59.55 | jnwhiteh | its like calling SetMap* in WORLD_MAP_UPDATE |
| 11:00.22 | jnwhiteh | okay |
| 11:00.23 | Arrowmaster | it will never happen like that in normal cases if you werent using the function that was causing the 2nd event to fire |
| 11:00.31 | jnwhiteh | I can 100% confirm that LOOT_CLOSED is pre-empting LOOT_OPENED |
| 11:00.40 | Cruciformer | Arrowmaster: Ok what if I didnt call LootSlot() there at all. The user could have set their loot options to auto-loot. Some OTHER handler could be doing the LootSlot(). If that loots all the items will it also cause LOOT_CKLOSED to fire and will that also pre-empt my still running LOOT_OPENED handler/ |
| 11:00.57 | Arrowmaster | Cruciformer: no |
| 11:01.07 | Cruciformer | why not? |
| 11:01.23 | Cruciformer | same function being called at some point. |
| 11:01.49 | Arrowmaster | now if 2 mods were both listening to LOOT_OPENED and one of them did LootSlot() then yes its possible the LOOT_CLOSED could fire before the 2nd mods LOOT_OPENED even tirggered i bet |
| 11:02.26 | Arrowmaster | but if you do not call LootSlot() in your event handler then it is impossible for LOOT_CLOSED to fire in the middle of your LOOT_OPENED |
| 11:02.37 | Arrowmaster | nomatter what any other addon does |
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| 11:02.58 | Cruciformer | But the standard blizzard interface can cause it to fire if I have auto-looting on, or Shift-clicked the boss. |
| 11:03.20 | Cruciformer | So not impossible at all since in that case it could fire LOOT_CLOSED while I am handling LOOT_OPENED. |
| 11:03.22 | Arrowmaster | it shouldnt cause it to happen while your event handler is running |
| 11:04.18 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: i know you're thinking things are multi-threaded |
| 11:04.21 | jnwhiteh | but they're not really |
| 11:04.43 | jnwhiteh | the problem is that the C++ engine is seeing your call to LootSlot() |
| 11:04.43 | Cruciformer | well multi-threaded or no ... pre-emptable is more my concern. |
| 11:04.49 | jnwhiteh | its not really pre-empted |
| 11:04.50 | jnwhiteh | hear me out. |
| 11:04.54 | Cruciformer | k |
| 11:05.06 | jnwhiteh | and as a part of the LootSlot() call it calls C++WOWCLIENTZOMG:FireEvent("LOOT_CLOSED") |
| 11:05.16 | jnwhiteh | those events are all then processed |
| 11:05.26 | jnwhiteh | just like a normal event dispatch written in any pattern any language |
| 11:05.33 | jnwhiteh | then control returns to your function |
| 11:05.47 | jnwhiteh | one thread of execution |
| 11:05.51 | jnwhiteh | so if YOU don't call LootSlot() |
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| 11:06.15 | jnwhiteh | then the LOOT_CLOSED event will not happen (FOR YOU) during your LOOT_OPENED event |
| 11:06.25 | jnwhiteh | is it possible that LOOT_CLOSED fires before LOOT_OPENED for you, yes. |
| 11:06.27 | Cruciformer | ok that makes sense. |
| 11:06.35 | jnwhiteh | but that's the worst another addon or the default UI can do. |
| 11:06.39 | jnwhiteh | i'll continue gathering information. |
| 11:07.05 | Cruciformer | What if ANOTHER mod calls LootSlot can it likewise screw me up or is it running in its own path at a different time? |
| 11:07.07 | Arrowmaster | can you check at the start of LOOT_OPENED that the loot frame is still open? |
| 11:07.32 | Arrowmaster | Cruciformer: different time, but it could mean that your LOOT_CLOSED fires before your LOOT_OPENED |
| 11:07.33 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: only one handler for any given event is running at a time. |
| 11:07.40 | Cruciformer | Arrowmaster: GetNumLootItems() will return nil if its closed. |
| 11:07.48 | jnwhiteh | so you might get an empty loot window |
| 11:07.54 | jnwhiteh | if something loots before you get yours |
| 11:07.57 | jnwhiteh | but that's extremely rare |
| 11:08.05 | Arrowmaster | auto loot shouldnt do that i bet |
| 11:08.14 | Arrowmaster | but some other addon trying to fake autoloot could |
| 11:08.18 | jnwhiteh | yes. |
| 11:08.33 | jnwhiteh | i have a 100% reproducable test case and code |
| 11:08.36 | jnwhiteh | so i'm trying to get more infoz |
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| 11:09.26 | Cruciformer | of course I could easily just test for if (ksk.bossloot) |
| 11:09.43 | jnwhiteh | i can confirm |
| 11:09.45 | Cruciformer | and I will ... I just wanted to understand the how and why of it. |
| 11:09.52 | jnwhiteh | that LootSlot is directly responsible for calling my event handler. |
| 11:10.08 | jnwhiteh | so the implementation of that function |
| 11:10.12 | jnwhiteh | when the player is just looting gold |
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| 11:10.17 | jnwhiteh | calls the event handlers directly. |
| 11:10.25 | jnwhiteh | in the code for LootSLot() |
| 11:10.30 | jnwhiteh | without even calling a FireEvent function |
| 11:10.31 | jnwhiteh | so it appears |
| 11:11.51 | Cruciformer | cool well thats very useful info. |
| 11:12.00 | jnwhiteh | seems like this might happen on any event which changes the state of the client without any server interaction. |
| 11:12.09 | jnwhiteh | which is.. a lot of events, methinks. |
| 11:12.16 | Cruciformer | gonna add it to the entry on wowprogramming if u dont mind jnwhiteh |
| 11:12.29 | jnwhiteh | as a note, that's fine |
| 11:12.33 | jnwhiteh | but i'll address the more general issue |
| 11:12.36 | jnwhiteh | once I have confirmation |
| 11:12.39 | Cruciformer | *nod* |
| 11:13.09 | Cruciformer | actually if you have a more genberal case and some way I can link to it I'll wait |
| 11:13.58 | jnwhiteh | whats another client event that would exhibit the same behavior? |
| 11:14.16 | Cruciformer | I knew that was the next question and I dont know :) |
| 11:14.16 | Arrowmaster | ADDON_LOADED |
| 11:14.21 | jnwhiteh | i suppose I should try ADDON_LOADED |
| 11:14.22 | Arrowmaster | the map one |
| 11:14.55 | Arrowmaster | isnt there some money frame one? |
| 11:15.08 | jnwhiteh | i'd like to understand the addon loaded |
| 11:19.54 | Cruciformer | hrm is it just me or does a note not show up in a preview? |
| 11:21.46 | Cruciformer | actually the note isnt showing up at all even after pressing save. |
| 11:22.00 | jnwhiteh | note isn't a valid field anymore |
| 11:22.12 | Cruciformer | 11:12 <@jnwhiteh> as a note, that's fine |
| 11:22.39 | jnwhiteh | i meant a note in the desc |
| 11:22.41 | Fisker | charges |
| 11:23.39 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: Hrm, I have a weird issue with ADDON_LOADED |
| 11:24.09 | jnwhiteh | I have two addons |
| 11:24.10 | jnwhiteh | Alpha |
| 11:24.11 | jnwhiteh | and Beta |
| 11:24.14 | jnwhiteh | Beta is LoD |
| 11:24.32 | Arrowmaster | you dont have to do it with LoD addons |
| 11:24.42 | jnwhiteh | Alpha loads, and registers ADDON_LOADED that calls LoadAddOn("Beta") |
| 11:24.47 | jnwhiteh | the code is called |
| 11:24.50 | jnwhiteh | but Beta is not loaded. |
| 11:24.55 | Arrowmaster | you can effect the load order of non LoD addons |
| 11:25.14 | jnwhiteh | can you explain it to me please? |
| 11:25.17 | Arrowmaster | beta isnt loaded period? |
| 11:25.36 | jnwhiteh | no =) |
| 11:25.45 | Arrowmaster | try it without LoD |
| 11:25.46 | jnwhiteh | i can then load it by typing LoadAddOn("Beta") |
| 11:26.48 | jnwhiteh | Arrowmaster: it doesn't load with the LoadAddOn call |
| 11:26.55 | jnwhiteh | without LoD it loaded in its normal slot |
| 11:26.59 | jnwhiteh | two after Alpha |
| 11:27.18 | jnwhiteh | Nargiddley: do you have any more info on the bank on? |
| 11:27.34 | Arrowmaster | odd |
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| 11:35.05 | Caellian | Is it possible and if so how can i check if an option is enabled or disabled in the option panel, this is the name of the button (InterfaceOptionsCombatPanelNameplateClassColors) |
| 11:35.32 | Cruciformer | Im actually wondering if that LootSlot() for coin is even a good idea in my mod at all. Wonder how it will affect autoloot, if at all. |
| 11:35.32 | jnwhiteh | InterfaceOptionsCombatPanelNameplateClassColors:IsChecked() |
| 11:35.41 | Caellian | ah, sweet, thanks a lot |
| 11:38.16 | Cruciformer | probably better to call if (GetCVar ("ShowClassColorInNameplate") == 1) .... |
| 11:38.44 | Cruciformer | that way you are not tied to a widget name but rather the actual option variable. |
| 11:39.27 | Arrowmaster | !api GetCVarBool |
| 11:39.27 | lua_bot | GetCVarBool: Returns the value of a configuration variable in a format compatible with Lua conditional expressions (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/GetCVarBool) |
| 11:39.31 | Arrowmaster | use that instead |
| 11:39.46 | Cruciformer | or that :) |
| 11:40.30 | Cruciformer | if (GetCVarBool("ShowClassColorInNameplate")) then ... end |
| 11:40.42 | Cruciformer | hope Caellian is still reading :) |
| 11:41.54 | Arrowmaster | "this tastes like chicken..." "whats wrong with it?" "this is mac n cheeze" |
| 11:41.55 | Arrowmaster | rofl |
| 11:42.05 | Cruciformer | lol |
| 11:42.41 | Cruciformer | thats really funny for some reason :) |
| 11:45.10 | jnwhiteh | Caellian: make sure you pay attention to what they said, they're right =) |
| 11:45.18 | jnwhiteh | I just was lazy and answered your question directly |
| 11:52.45 | jnwhiteh | mikma: I have a new headset (or will when i go get my mail). Maybe you'll be able to hear me now. |
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| 11:55.20 | mikma | ooh |
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| 12:11.56 | Caellian | <Cruciformer> hope Caellian is still reading :) | Yes thanks :) |
| 12:13.38 | Caellian | wonder why they made it so it only works for hostile units though. |
| 12:17.43 | Cruciformer | what only works for hostile units? |
| 12:19.57 | Caellian | class coloring |
| 12:21.33 | Cruciformer | it works in the raid window for me |
| 12:21.43 | Cruciformer | not sure about actual raid frames tho |
| 12:22.18 | Cruciformer | yup its working just fine with stock UI raid frames |
| 12:25.29 | Caellian | i meant for the nameplates :) |
| 12:31.29 | Fisker | fail |
| 12:32.06 | Fisker | they removed a macgyver reference from stargate |
| 12:43.59 | Fisker | hmm |
| 12:44.08 | Fisker | localized versions of starcraft will actually be the cancer killing gaming |
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| 12:57.31 | Adys | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=77496.msg1177320#msg1177320 |
| 12:57.33 | Adys | am I too harsh |
| 12:58.06 | mikma | adys: /poke, http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/9/10/?sold_by__isnull=0 :) |
| 12:58.39 | Adys | mikma: yeah Im waiting for Bibi to wake up and give me his data |
| 12:58.57 | Bibi | you mean the data he can't save because you fucking suck at life? |
| 12:59.27 | Adys | yes sir, sir i forgot to update the toc file in an addon adys gave me sir, sir. |
| 12:59.57 | Bibi | I didn't know I had to proof read all your code sir. |
| 13:00.13 | Adys | you didn't have to, you just had to copy every file in the fucking zip, sir |
| 13:00.34 | Adys | with all my due respect how fucking hard can it be, sir. |
| 13:00.55 | Bibi | come and I'll show you! |
| 13:01.34 | Adys | shut up and get gathering |
| 13:01.37 | Adys | ah tiens |
| 13:01.42 | Adys | j'ai une version update en plus |
| 13:05.46 | Adys | flash32 in chrome works better than it worked in firefox |
| 13:05.50 | Adys | chrome is a fucking alpha |
| 13:06.34 | mikma | are you two a couple or something |
| 13:06.43 | Adys | your mom is a couple |
| 13:08.03 | mikma | oh you are, how cute :D |
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| 13:13.51 | Adys | !api SetMerchantItem |
| 13:13.51 | lua_bot | GameTooltip:SetMerchantItem: Load information about an item available from a merchant (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/GameTooltip/SetMerchantItem) |
| 13:13.58 | mikma | so, hunter marksman pve rotation, any ideas? |
| 13:16.30 | Adys | !api string.find |
| 13:16.31 | lua_bot | Documentation for 'string.find' can be found at http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#pdf-string.find |
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| 13:19.20 | Vilkku | what would be the best way to remove an entry from a table where I do not know the position? |
| 13:19.32 | Vilkku | I only know the data (it's a string) |
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| 13:25.40 | mikma | vilkku: something like for k,v in pairs(table) do if v == "stuff you need" then table.remove(table,k) end |
| 13:26.01 | jnwhiteh | why not store it in a hash table instead |
| 13:26.07 | jnwhiteh | then you can tbl[str] = nil |
| 13:26.10 | Vilkku | jnwhiteh, yeah |
| 13:26.15 | Vilkku | I'm going to rewrite it |
| 13:26.17 | Vilkku | :P |
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| 13:27.22 | Vilkku | can you do table.concat on hash tables tho, jnwhiteh? |
| 13:28.57 | Vilkku | lua> local t = {}; t[a] = 1; t[b] = 2; table.concat(t, ", "); |
| 13:28.58 | lua_bot | Vilkku: luabot:1: table index is nil |
| 13:29.22 | Vilkku | hmm |
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| 13:52.56 | Kraps | http://www.eve-pirate.com/uploads/LearningCurve.jpg |
| 13:53.21 | Pneu^ | that's nowhere near steep enough |
| 13:58.21 | Kraps | my hole has a straw = fail |
| 13:59.10 | jnwhiteh | my hole has a straw |
| 13:59.14 | jnwhiteh | even more fail =/ |
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| 14:03.39 | Kraps | my sister just told my that my 2 yr old nephew goes to "gay camp" |
| 14:03.59 | jnwhiteh | ./.. huh? |
| 14:04.20 | Lopeppeppy | Do tell me she had a better meaning than what I'm inferring. |
| 14:05.03 | Kraps | kids w/o a full grasp of language ftw |
| 14:05.43 | Kraps | http://www.dadcentric.com/2009/04/potateo-potato.html |
| 14:05.53 | Lopeppeppy | Kids with a grasp of language ftw... most of them are perfectly aware of what is "bad" to say, but haven't developed their moral sense enough to care why yet. Takes a while to grow up. |
| 14:09.04 | Fisker | Kids with a grasp of lulz ftw... |
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| 14:12.43 | alestane | http://www.twolumps.net/d/20090724.html |
| 14:14.32 | Lopeppeppy | Kitties! |
| 14:15.51 | alestane | Is Moose adjusting? |
| 14:16.33 | Lopeppeppy | Some. |
| 14:19.17 | Fisker | STOP SHITTING ON MY DAMN MONITOR YOU DAMN FLIES |
| 14:19.36 | Fisker | i keep thinking they're dead pixels and baww about it :( |
| 14:19.43 | zapchud | turn the monitor off, and their attraction to it will be gone |
| 14:19.54 | Lopeppeppy | Use flystrips. Take out the trash. |
| 14:19.56 | Fisker | i'd rather cut my head off |
| 14:20.31 | Fisker | Someone should build a flatscreen monitor with built-in fly zappers |
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| 14:26.15 | jnwhiteh | mm |
| 14:26.16 | jnwhiteh | flies |
| 14:26.22 | jnwhiteh | tasty protein |
| 14:26.23 | Lopeppeppy | Hungry? |
| 14:27.29 | Kraps | dont kill them, peta will get you |
| 14:27.46 | Lopeppeppy | Eat them alive instead? |
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| 14:38.04 | Lopeppeppy | What do I want for lunch? Hmmmmmmmm. |
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| 14:43.31 | Shirik | Lopeppeppy: Try some flies |
| 14:43.59 | Lopeppeppy | I only have an hour for lunch, Shirik, I can' t drive out to Boston to see what they're selling at the Market. |
| 14:44.35 | Lopeppeppy | I think I'm going to go for cajun chicken. |
| 14:46.38 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 14:46.42 | Fisker | you cannot stop me |
| 14:47.16 | Lopeppeppy | ~Fisker+ |
| 14:48.11 | Fisker | you're doing it wrong |
| 14:48.59 | Lopeppeppy | Positive karma is no longer a punishment? Good to know. :P |
| 14:50.56 | Bruners | you're doing it wrong! |
| 14:54.30 | Kraps | offers Fisker a chillaxative |
| 14:57.33 | cog|away | slaps Fisker around with a Red Herring |
| 14:58.29 | cog|work | ~lart firefox startup time on a fresh boot |
| 14:58.29 | purl | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps firefox startup time on a fresh boot |
| 15:00.20 | cog|work | Chrome was completely loaded with my previous session of 8 tabs by the time firefox even had the "hey some of your addons need updating" window >< |
| 15:01.20 | cog|work | lol google's doing a comicon tribute http://www.google.com/ |
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| 15:02.15 | nicoli_s | poor robin |
| 15:02.41 | Kraps | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=18680003499&sid=1 |
| 15:03.40 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/adys/kaching |
| 15:04.25 | Adys | This wins very much |
| 15:05.30 | nicoli_s | that for addons to parse adys? |
| 15:05.42 | Adys | no, thats a parse from an addon |
| 15:05.43 | Ackis | hahah fuck you tree huggers! http://www.edmontonjournal.com/business/Cleaner+image+oilsands/1823276/story.html |
| 15:05.54 | Adys | it reads directly on the database |
| 15:05.57 | Adys | its pretty awesome |
| 15:06.07 | nicoli_s | coo |
| 15:06.25 | Ackis | Adys: you can get vendor info from teh db? |
| 15:06.37 | Adys | Soon ya |
| 15:06.42 | nicoli_s | Ackis wants to steal yo info' |
| 15:06.44 | Adys | still trying to think of a decent model to implement all this |
| 15:07.02 | Adys | Id like to follow blizzard's model |
| 15:07.23 | Adys | of solditem tables with class/rep/etc requirements to see them |
| 15:07.34 | Adys | but its going to be living hell to maintain |
| 15:08.07 | Kraps | Ackis: all i read was "waaawaaa we need to stop being productive cuz greenpeace says so" |
| 15:10.10 | Adys | also |
| 15:10.11 | Adys | http://www.eve-pirate.com/uploads/LearningCurve.jpg |
| 15:10.15 | Adys | no one linked me that before :( |
| 15:10.45 | Kraps | you didnt ask |
| 15:10.56 | Ackis | POTBS? |
| 15:11.07 | Adys | Pirates of the Bullshit |
| 15:11.09 | Adys | or something like that |
| 15:11.12 | Ackis | and why isn't second life there? |
| 15:11.14 | Ackis | ahh ok |
| 15:11.20 | Adys | second life IS there |
| 15:11.33 | Adys | what do you think the bottom delimiter line is? |
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| 15:11.37 | Ackis | lol |
| 15:11.40 | Ackis | ~Adys++ |
| 15:13.01 | Ackis | I tried out RoM and actually had some fu |
| 15:13.04 | Ackis | *fun |
| 15:13.12 | Ackis | I'm still waiting for people to give me free rubies though |
| 15:13.44 | Kraps | eyes Ackis |
| 15:15.46 | mikma | crazyeyes! |
| 15:20.00 | cog|work | more glowing GM critters: http://io9.com/5320886/scientists-create-families-of-mutant-drug%20producing-rats I'm surprised rats didn't come before dogs... |
| 15:21.24 | Fisker | lol |
| 15:23.58 | Seerah | that author needs to work on telling left from right, cog ;) |
| 15:24.06 | cog|work | Seerah: i noticed that >< |
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| 15:26.34 | DWSR | What's a reasonable price for a 4' DVI to HDMI cable? |
| 15:27.38 | Ackis | 10 gold |
| 15:27.38 | Wobin | depends if it has UltraClear Crystal Connectors |
| 15:28.37 | theorbtwo | Two slips of gold-pressed latinum. |
| 15:29.40 | Wobin | A little more than half as much as an 8' DVI to HDMI one? |
| 15:29.41 | cog|work | LESS THAN 9000! |
| 15:29.52 | DWSR | ~cog++ |
| 15:30.04 | Ackis | jnwhiteh, cog|work, Kaelten: http://wow.curseforge.com/addons/eloquence-fan-update/ damn authors of the book! |
| 15:30.07 | Wobin | but honestly, DWSR, about as much as you're willing to fork out for one |
| 15:30.24 | DWSR | Wobin: Yeah, but I bought one and it's $70CAD? |
| 15:30.25 | DWSR | WTF? |
| 15:30.35 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: well, talk to me |
| 15:30.39 | jnwhiteh | none of the other two post there |
| 15:30.43 | jnwhiteh | and I don't have the time, so damn me. |
| 15:31.23 | alestane | There isn't really such a thing as a *cheap* hi-def video cable. Less exorbitant, but they can only get so inexpensive and still work. |
| 15:31.23 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: I was mocking that author |
| 15:31.31 | jnwhiteh | he's a nice guy |
| 15:31.37 | jnwhiteh | and he posted for help in lots of places |
| 15:31.42 | jnwhiteh | and no one wanted to help me, and I didn't have the time |
| 15:31.44 | jnwhiteh | I feel bad =/ |
| 15:31.57 | Kaelten | yeah, I'm swamped too |
| 15:32.06 | Kaelten | I have a half finished update for ob3 sitting at home |
| 15:32.06 | Ackis | it just seems like he expects help... aka I bought your book, you have to help me |
| 15:32.39 | jnwhiteh | nah |
| 15:32.41 | jnwhiteh | he's not like that |
| 15:32.45 | Ackis | ah ok |
| 15:32.50 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: where did he post? |
| 15:32.59 | cog|work | http://wowprogramming.com/forums/development/142 |
| 15:33.11 | jnwhiteh | wowprogramming.com/forums/development/142 |
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| 15:41.40 | DWSR | Anyone know how to make Recount's realtime DPS windows less hideous? |
| 15:41.54 | DWSR | The "Other Windows" section in the Color config window does nothing. |
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| 15:44.48 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.54 | DWSR | yes |
| 15:45.19 | DWSR | It isn't significantly different, but yes. |
| 15:46.07 | ZorbaBeta | arms wants arp significantly sooner than fury does, if I remember correctly |
| 15:46.15 | DWSR | Indeed |
| 15:46.33 | DWSR | Arms likes Maces a lot, because of that |
| 15:47.39 | ZorbaBeta | which is sort of sad, because if I had to pick one weapon that felt fundamentally arms-y to me it'd be a polearm |
| 15:47.58 | DWSR | indeed. that's why they give you Poleaxe spec though |
| 15:48.10 | DWSR | If you can find decent ArP from gear, you can use a polearm. |
| 15:48.21 | alestane | Now, if Arms could wield a polearm with a shield, that would rock. |
| 15:48.32 | ZorbaBeta | yeah, I just think it's a little sad that polearm isn't their "optimal weapon choice" :) |
| 15:48.44 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: It is when you get to gear levels where you get ArP. |
| 15:48.55 | DWSR | ZorbaBeta: At lower gear levels, Mace spec is better though |
| 15:49.39 | ZorbaBeta | fair 'nuff. right now my dps spec is fury and my life is consumed with swords anyway |
| 15:50.59 | DWSR | Anyone that can help me with Skinner? |
| 15:51.09 | DWSR | I like the concept, but I'm just so confused. |
| 15:55.59 | Legorol | there is a big differen between arms and fury if you don't take TG :P |
| 15:59.21 | DWSR | Why would you *not* take TG as a fury warrior? |
| 16:01.57 | alestane | My tanking spec has TG. |
| 16:02.03 | DWSR | Anyone ever seen a build like this? http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#LVrIzf0t0orRzMZZVctrx0zwd (38/0/33) |
| 16:02.08 | Legorol | DWSR: because of the 10% penalty? god knows |
| 16:02.18 | Legorol | maybe you can dual wield some fist weapons and do a bit more dps without TG? |
| 16:03.10 | Legorol | DWSR: yes i have seen that build, it's a threat build for high-end warrior tanks, pioneered by Ciderhelm of tankspot |
| 16:03.18 | Legorol | or at least very close to it |
| 16:03.19 | Kraps | DWSR: the famed UA tanking build |
| 16:03.22 | Legorol | few points difference |
| 16:03.32 | Legorol | what Kraps said |
| 16:03.39 | DWSR | Legorol: The tank in my guild had that build 4 months before Ciderhelm started using it. :) |
| 16:03.54 | DWSR | I always wondered how it actually looked, other than it went 50/50 Arms/Prot. |
| 16:04.11 | Legorol | DWSR: good for him. Its popularity is thanks to Cider though, who probably has more visibility than any other warrior tank |
| 16:04.21 | DWSR | indeed. He's a really good tank too. |
| 16:04.23 | Legorol | i wouldn't be surprised if others thought of it too |
| 16:04.41 | DWSR | Wish he would show up on our server and teach tanks how to actually fucking do their job, good christ. |
| 16:04.58 | DWSR | I get a lucky string of crits and all the sudden all hell breaks loose because the tanks don't has TPS. |
| 16:05.07 | Legorol | i believe there are minor variations possible, such as leaving out conc. blow and vigilance |
| 16:05.41 | DWSR | what would you pick up for those 2 points instead? |
| 16:05.58 | Legorol | 5th point in one-handed spec, and imp. mortal strike i think |
| 16:06.11 | Legorol | dropping points in weapon mastery (if possible), and juggernaut |
| 16:06.25 | Legorol | dunno exactly |
| 16:06.26 | DWSR | There's already points in Juggernaut for the build I linked. |
| 16:06.29 | Legorol | it's only a few points here and there |
| 16:06.37 | Legorol | that's what i meant, i'd drop juggernaut |
| 16:06.52 | DWSR | ah |
| 16:07.05 | DWSR | It's nice for snap threat though |
| 16:07.09 | Legorol | i don't think it's useful for an MT in Ulduar |
| 16:07.30 | DWSR | Meh, charge Slam Sweeping Strikes and win? |
| 16:07.33 | Legorol | meh it's a 25% crit bonus on your opener in the fight, nothing spectacular |
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| 16:07.48 | Legorol | why would you sweeping strikes? |
| 16:08.14 | Legorol | as far as i'm aware, the whole build is based on MT-ing the boss in very hard encounters (think U25 hardmodes), you don't have adds to take care of |
| 16:08.18 | DWSR | For the other things that might be present besides what you just charged? |
| 16:08.18 | Legorol | and who cares about trash :o) |
| 16:08.25 | DWSR | ah heh. |
| 16:08.33 | Kraps | i saw a prot/bloodthirst build on tankspot, i thing thats way cooler :) |
| 16:08.36 | DWSR | So Slam the boss then? |
| 16:08.51 | ZorbaBeta | I think, by the time you're using that spec, you're no longer interested in trash :P |
| 16:08.56 | DWSR | hehe |
| 16:09.04 | Legorol | idd |
| 16:09.05 | DWSR | That's why the tank always dropped Vigilance on me. |
| 16:09.20 | DWSR | He was like "My AoE threat is 10% of his, so the other tank should do trash". |
| 16:09.42 | Kraps | 1 wipe on emalon: quit or stay? |
| 16:09.47 | Legorol | stay |
| 16:09.51 | DWSR | stay |
| 16:09.52 | Legorol | it's a pug i assume |
| 16:09.59 | Kraps | yes |
| 16:10.01 | Legorol | quit after 3 wipes imo |
| 16:10.10 | Legorol | depends on reason of wipe ofc |
| 16:10.15 | DWSR | What about Armoured to the Teeth? |
| 16:10.20 | Kraps | my server is too hardcore apparently |
| 16:10.20 | DWSR | Or Cruelty? |
| 16:10.40 | Kraps | i died tanking emalon |
| 16:10.44 | Legorol | theorycrafting has shown that cruelty doesn't scale as well as impale |
| 16:11.06 | Legorol | and for some reason it's not worth taking both (don't ask me why, i don't know that part) |
| 16:11.07 | DWSR | Already have 2/2 Impale for that build. |
| 16:11.11 | Kraps | do i eat nova or not? |
| 16:11.18 | DWSR | As a tank yes. |
| 16:11.19 | DWSR | Else no. |
| 16:11.28 | Kraps | damn |
| 16:11.30 | Legorol | you eat it as DK too |
| 16:11.35 | Legorol | pop AMS for free runic powahs |
| 16:11.39 | DWSR | If ($tank) yes else GTFO NUB end; |
| 16:11.52 | Legorol | not true, DWSR, you stay with AMS :o) |
| 16:12.03 | DWSR | Legorol: Depends on your heals and such. |
| 16:12.09 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.12 | DWSR | It is always better to GTFO nub. |
| 16:12.13 | Legorol | if you are blood, you will heal yourself back up anyway |
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| 16:12.25 | DWSR | Emalon's just an endurance fight. |
| 16:12.34 | DWSR | If you GTFO, you live to fight on moar. |
| 16:12.37 | Legorol | it's a positioning fight too |
| 16:12.42 | Legorol | so many people bunch up it's not funny |
| 16:12.46 | DWSR | Yeah, no shit. |
| 16:12.56 | Kraps | Heroic: 30,000 Nature damage are you kidding me? |
| 16:12.58 | Legorol | also, the melee all run out in the same direction, always.. in one neat tight group |
| 16:13.02 | Legorol | usually into the middle of the ranged |
| 16:13.17 | Kraps | i cant take that |
| 16:13.25 | Legorol | Kraps: i don't think that number's correct, sounds too high |
| 16:13.32 | DWSR | Legorol: Not on Heroic. |
| 16:13.35 | Kraps | Enemies closer to Emalon will take more damage than those farther away. |
| 16:13.38 | DWSR | That's the right number. |
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| 16:13.44 | Legorol | having said that, it could be the raw number, which you'd take at least 10% off with a tank spec |
| 16:14.15 | Legorol | but ultimately, are you telling me you are tanking Emalon with less than 30k Hp buffed in 25-mans? |
| 16:14.17 | Legorol | id' be surprised |
| 16:14.17 | DWSR | Legorol: Is Imp. Disciplines any good? |
| 16:14.25 | Kraps | no Legorol |
| 16:15.42 | Legorol | DWSR: it's highly situational, but very good for some fights. Together with the shield wall glyph, it brings your shield wall down to 2 minutes. |
| 16:16.09 | Legorol | That's important for helping your healers so you can have a decent cooldown rotation for fights that are impossible without cooldowns, like Mimiron or Vezax |
| 16:16.10 | DWSR | Can't think of much else to put it in. |
| 16:16.27 | DWSR | Except for Armored to the Teeth, since that build has a prettyhigh DPS output. |
| 16:16.38 | Legorol | AttT is good for threat |
| 16:16.52 | Legorol | you can always put points in focused rage |
| 16:16.59 | alestane | Especially since you usually have very high armor. |
| 16:17.10 | DWSR | 3 rage point reduction for your offensive? |
| 16:17.18 | DWSR | Who cares? The boss hits you and you have a full rage bar. |
| 16:17.32 | DWSR | hits you once. |
| 16:17.33 | Legorol | depends what you are tanking |
| 16:17.46 | Legorol | if you only ever tank ulduar hard modes, then you are ok |
| 16:17.55 | Legorol | as soon as you go into a 5-man, you'll be rage starved :o) |
| 16:17.59 | Legorol | but ig uess you aren't speccing for that |
| 16:18.07 | DWSR | With that build, you shouldn't be doing heroics. :P |
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| 16:18.25 | DWSR | Little snap threat, no aoe threat, etc. etc. |
| 16:20.53 | Legorol | hey if you can do heroics as Fury, you can do heroics with that threat too |
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| 16:21.09 | alestane | Is there a C++ keyword that prevents a function from appearing outside its particular translation unit? |
| 16:21.41 | alestane | i.e. makes it private to its file? |
| 16:26.43 | alestane | Ah, an anonymous namespace. |
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| 16:31.37 | Ackis | Fisker: have you heard about dragon age from bioware? |
| 16:31.56 | Fisker | i heard of your mom |
| 16:32.02 | Ackis | so have I :P |
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| 16:42.32 | Fisker | Ackis |
| 16:42.36 | Fisker | Blizzard got hacked! |
| 16:42.39 | Ackis | wot? |
| 16:42.41 | Ackis | link |
| 16:42.42 | Ackis | zomg |
| 16:42.52 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=10222152313&sid=1#11 |
| 16:43.00 | Fisker | Infinitely more likely than the user got compromised |
| 16:43.11 | Lopeppeppy | Sure. *giggle* |
| 16:43.13 | Fisker | Even though Blizzard doesn't store the password anywhere |
| 16:43.26 | Ackis | lawls |
| 16:43.37 | Lopeppeppy | Always someone else's fault, never theirs. |
| 16:44.05 | mikma | now.. |
| 16:44.09 | mikma | blizzard didn't get hacked |
| 16:44.17 | Fisker | sure they did! |
| 16:44.17 | mikma | stupid users got their password guessed/stolen |
| 16:44.22 | Dagmar | ONOES! |
| 16:44.50 | Fisker | If i hacked blizzard the first thing i would do would be to find the password(which doesn't exist anywhere in Blizzard's database) and then compromise an account |
| 16:45.01 | Fisker | I wouldn't care about the other several million accounts or the financial records at all |
| 16:45.05 | Fisker | that's just a waste of time |
| 16:45.33 | Dagmar | I like the logic in thinking that a clean AV scan indicates a lack of blame |
| 16:45.52 | Dagmar | "and they found nothing so i am not responsible" |
| 16:45.57 | Lopeppeppy | Not my fault!!! |
| 16:46.34 | Dagmar | You can tell Blizz wasn't hacked because it would be on Slashdot |
| 16:46.47 | Fisker | lol |
| 16:46.54 | Dagmar | "Blizzard Hacked--Ten Million Nerds Freak The Hell Out" |
| 16:46.56 | Fisker | the moderation team removed my signature they made themselves |
| 16:47.12 | Fisker | rages |
| 16:47.15 | mikma | fisker: anyway, you tarded a good reply there |
| 16:48.56 | nicoli_s | fisker: whats crazy about that post is he said he downloaded an addon from curse, yet the replies arent 90% "omg!se has teh keyloggerz!" |
| 16:49.01 | nicoli_s | se = curse* |
| 16:49.53 | Fisker | I wonder if my new signature lasts |
| 16:49.59 | Fisker | <Signature not being removed by the moderation team, even though they made the previous one themselves> |
| 16:50.12 | Fisker | They're harassing me! |
| 16:50.46 | Dagmar | Just change it to <Signature molested by the moderation team.> |
| 16:50.47 | Ackis | lol |
| 16:50.50 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-94JhLEiN0 |
| 16:50.57 | Ackis | you have to watch the entire thing Lopeppeppy |
| 16:52.14 | Lopeppeppy | Ackis, I can't watch Youtube at work, the boss man comes and glares at me! |
| 16:52.28 | Ackis | :O |
| 16:52.31 | Ackis | but |
| 16:52.37 | Ackis | tell him Ackis said you have to watch it |
| 16:52.43 | Fisker | That's only because he wants to join |
| 16:53.39 | cog|work | wishes this had caught on: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers/HTML/ModestProposal.html |
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| 16:55.12 | Dagmar | I would rather not use a new character to indicate pointers |
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| 16:59.28 | nicoli_s | you want to eat babies cog|work? |
| 17:02.22 | cog|work | nicoli_s: depends on the species ;) |
| 17:02.41 | cog|work | Lamb, veal, insect larvae, sure! |
| 17:04.09 | cog|work | mmm.... caviar (or is that pre-baby?) |
| 17:05.32 | nicoli_s | eww caviar |
| 17:06.04 | cog|work | http://media.wiley.com/Lux/48/87748.image0.jpg imo |
| 17:06.26 | alestane | nigiri topped with roe? |
| 17:06.41 | nicoli_s | but i mean i guess i cant talk,i eat chicken and people eggs |
| 17:06.56 | Lukian | you eat people eggs? |
| 17:07.13 | cog|work | s/nigiri/sushi/ (nigiri is a slice of fish on top of an oblong rice ball :P) |
| 17:07.25 | alestane | makizushi, my bad. |
| 17:08.44 | nicoli_s | lukian, only the best |
| 17:08.50 | cog|work | my last lunch out was at a local sushi restaurant. I didn't even bother with the rice. Sashimi combo 4tw |
| 17:08.53 | Lukian | hehe |
| 17:09.20 | alestane | The sashimi is good, but I like the way the meshi soaks up the sauce. |
| 17:10.10 | alestane | Kotobukiya in Porter Square makes a great maki with eel, spicy mayo and crushed tempura. Wonderful blend of mellow, spicy, soft and crispy. |
| 17:11.48 | cog|work | my wife had the "sebastopol roll" (named after the restaurant's town). It's prawn tempura and snow crab rolls topped with avocado & tuna sashimi. |
| 17:12.46 | alestane | I had a fun maki once that was crabstick and mayo, rolled in sheet-cooked egg instead of nori. |
| 17:12.48 | nicoli_s | hates sushi |
| 17:13.08 | Torhal | nicoli_s: Die, commie scum! |
| 17:13.17 | Torhal | I mean, "hippy!" |
| 17:13.22 | nicoli_s | yer one to talk |
| 17:13.27 | Torhal | <.< |
| 17:13.29 | Torhal | >.> |
| 17:13.31 | Lopeppeppy | Hippies EAT sushi, they don't despise it. You're backwards. |
| 17:13.41 | nicoli_s | i just dont like raw fish |
| 17:13.50 | nicoli_s | cook it and we'll talk |
| 17:13.54 | cog|work | i had rice paper rolls printed with soy ink once... i like seaweed better |
| 17:14.46 | cog|work | sushi ~= raw fish |
| 17:15.37 | nicoli_s | yah but every sushi i have had has had raw fish in it |
| 17:15.44 | Seerah | wow... Ice Ice Baby is on the radio |
| 17:15.47 | nicoli_s | plus, i like the rice very much, not buttery enough for me |
| 17:15.54 | nicoli_s | i dont like* |
| 17:17.54 | cog|work | that is an approprate justification for not liking sushi, since sushi is simply the type of rice they use ;) |
| 17:18.16 | cog|work | http://sugarfishsushi.com/glossary.php "Sushi: anything made with vinegared rice" |
| 17:20.01 | nicoli_s | yah i def dont like vinegary stuff |
| 17:20.09 | sacarasc | Nor do I. |
| 17:22.04 | alestane | cog|work: If you're talking specifically about the rice, it's usually referred to as "sushimeshi". "Sushi" usually means the general class of dishes made using it as a component. |
| 17:22.48 | alestane | But yes, that prepared rice is the common element in sushi dishes. |
| 17:24.16 | cog|work | s/is simply/simply indicates/ |
| 17:24.19 | cog|work | :) |
| 17:25.06 | alestane | It's something of a circular definition, yes. |
| 17:25.50 | nicoli_s | whats sushi? something containing sushi rice. whats sushi rice? the rice in sushi |
| 17:25.55 | alestane | Sushi is anything made with sushimeshi, and sushimeshi is rice used to make sushi dishes. |
| 17:27.41 | Legorol | isn't that a circular definition? |
| 17:27.52 | Lopeppeppy | Yup, they already admitted it was. |
| 17:27.52 | alestane | "Su" is vinegar, the "shi" character literally means "chairman", so I'm not quite sure what the derivation is, unless it says the vinegar is the governing flavor. |
| 17:27.54 | cog|work | 10:25 <+alestane> It's something of a circular definition, yes. |
| 17:28.10 | Legorol | oops missed that, sorry |
| 17:28.26 | alestane | But most Japanese don't write it in ideographs anymore anyway. |
| 17:29.05 | alestane | It's just sushi. |
| 17:29.33 | cog|work | it's really just a truism and not the definition of sushimeshi |
| 17:29.46 | cog|work | which would more accurately be defined as vinegared rice |
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| 17:30.43 | Legorol | it's strange that it's called "sushimeshi", since "meshi" just means "meal" |
| 17:31.08 | alestane | It's idiomatically used to referred to cooked rice, which is regarded as the foundation of most meals. |
| 17:31.45 | cog|work | or the other definition of meal |
| 17:31.47 | alestane | For instance, if someone at the table holds out his bowl and says, "Meshi kudasai", he's asking for more rice. |
| 17:31.49 | cog|work | coarsely ground foodstuff; especially seeds of various cereal grasses or pulse |
| 17:32.53 | cog|work | i like alestane's explanation better |
| 17:37.10 | Legorol | some twist to the story: meshi, when written using an ideograph (is that the right word?) is written using the symbol that can otherwise be pronounced as "han" |
| 17:37.32 | Legorol | "gohan" (using the same symbol for han) usually means meal, but can also refer to rice, in the same way as meshi |
| 17:37.39 | Legorol | "go" is just an honorific |
| 17:37.53 | Legorol | gets confusing :) unless you know Japan/Japanese |
| 17:38.05 | alestane | Or can also be pronounced "kome" if you're referring to *uncooked* rice. |
| 17:38.30 | Legorol | that'd be a different symbol |
| 17:38.45 | Legorol | the symbol used for kome refers strictly to rice |
| 17:38.53 | Legorol | and would never refer to a meal |
| 17:39.17 | Legorol | ? |
| 17:39.19 | Legorol | oops |
| 17:39.43 | cog|work | in other news: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/07/24/funny-pictures-firefighter-strike/ |
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| 17:40.09 | Legorol | lol |
| 17:40.48 | alestane | Well, the kanji for rice is usually used for "go-han" and "kome", but not the kanji which is "shoku" or "meshi". |
| 17:41.05 | alestane | It's complex. |
| 17:41.51 | alestane | I like http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/07/23/funny-pictures-is-currently-indisposed/ better. |
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| 17:44.17 | cog|work | mine went with the "in other news: " intro though :'( |
| 17:47.28 | cog|work | >< http://notalwaysright.com/the-building-blockheads-of-life/2255 |
| 17:49.15 | alestane | Hey, at least they learned something. |
| 17:49.36 | alestane | I try never to be upset over someone becoming less ignorant. |
| 17:49.56 | cog|work | i'm more upset at the culture that brings people up thinking "chemical" = "evil" |
| 17:50.50 | cog|work | though sites like http://www.dhmo.org/ wouldn't be quite as amusing ;) |
| 17:51.11 | Lopeppeppy | Notalwaysright tried to give me malware last time I went there. Not ever every going there again. *grump* |
| 17:51.12 | alestane | When most of us need to be aware of something's chemical nature, it usually is baneful. |
| 17:52.40 | alestane | Which always annoys me because I was taught that the proper name for that chemical is hydrogen hydroxide, but that wouldn't have that "Look how many people didn't figure out that dihydrogen monoxoide is H2O" quality about it. |
| 17:54.19 | Fisker | slaps cog|work around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:55.03 | cog|work | slaps Fisker around with a sack of C6H10N4O2 |
| 17:55.37 | Fisker | :( |
| 17:55.45 | Ackis | cog|work: should've given her a physics lesson by slapping her |
| 17:56.00 | Fisker | i'm not a her |
| 17:56.02 | alestane | That sounds like there's a benzene ring in it somewhere. |
| 17:56.27 | cog|work | !google c6h10n4o2 |
| 17:56.27 | batbot | cog|work: Caffeine (C6H10N4O2) <http://www.sanjuan.edu/webpages/awhitford/files/Caffeine.ppt> |
| 17:56.41 | alestane | Yes, I just found that. |
| 17:57.58 | alestane | But also: http://www.molport.com/buy-chemicals/empirical-formula/C6H10N4O2 |
| 17:58.19 | cog|work | i've been seriously tempted to get some caffeine powder so i can caffeinate drinks that don't have caffeinated versions... |
| 17:58.26 | cog|work | e.g. squirt |
| 17:58.44 | nicoli_s | squirt? |
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| 17:58.51 | cog|work | it's a grapefruit soda |
| 17:58.57 | Lopeppeppy | Why drink squirt? Drink Dew, baby. |
| 17:59.05 | cog|work | i do :) |
| 17:59.08 | nicoli_s | sunkist is wheres its at |
| 17:59.15 | Lopeppeppy | Silly cog creature. |
| 17:59.23 | cog|work | i likes me variety |
| 17:59.35 | cog|work | wishes for diet voltage & code red |
| 18:00.24 | nicoli_s | i miss code red |
| 18:00.34 | nicoli_s | it was always milder than mtn dew for me |
| 18:01.00 | cog|work | Baja Blast brings us to taco bell unfortunately often |
| 18:01.14 | AnduinLothar | why diet voltage... diet dew is terribad |
| 18:01.34 | nicoli_s | my god diet dew is the worst drink ive ever had |
| 18:01.43 | cog|work | AnduinLothar: because i lost ~35 lbs after switching to diet... |
| 18:01.46 | AnduinLothar | Baja Blast doesn't hold a candle to voltage tho |
| 18:02.29 | AnduinLothar | i'd rather not drink soda than drink diet |
| 18:03.01 | cog|work | i used to be that way but eventually got over it after forcing myself for a week or two |
| 18:03.17 | Lopeppeppy | I'm going to stab me some friggin' sheeple Real Soon Now (tm). |
| 18:03.27 | AnduinLothar | can i help? |
| 18:03.44 | cog|work | teh diet ones are simply for caffeine delivery. we also keep a stock of non-diet for nom-ness |
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| 18:05.01 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MytfhzcSF-Y |
| 18:05.01 | Lopeppeppy | Any time, AnduinLothar. There are too many of them, too few of me. |
| 18:05.06 | AnduinLothar | gah, why can't i paste into the explorer address bar :'( |
| 18:05.50 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously, Cog, all of my new friend suggestions this week have come from you and the Mrs. :) |
| 18:05.56 | AnduinLothar | "IE Test Failed: could not reach address because pasting didn't work and i was too lazy to type it out." |
| 18:07.15 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: they must be old then, 'cause i haven't sent any in a looong time... and i didn't think mrs cog ever did any... |
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| 18:07.44 | Lopeppeppy | Not the "sent friend requests" the "suggested" people you may know box thingie. |
| 18:08.08 | cog|work | i haven't gotten any "x & x are now friends as you suggested" notifications for a while |
| 18:08.27 | ScytheBlade1 | NOOOOOOOOOO |
| 18:08.28 | ScytheBlade1 | http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/2083 |
| 18:08.36 | alestane | At least according to wikipedia, it's C8H10N402. |
| 18:08.48 | Lopeppeppy | I mostly look at the FB suggestion list as something to laugh over... it's just weird that they all are pulled from you guys lately, when you live forever-away. |
| 18:09.23 | cog|work | ooooooh |
| 18:09.26 | cog|work | i'm with you now |
| 18:09.37 | Lopeppeppy | THAT list. *nod* |
| 18:10.01 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: That's quite a bump. |
| 18:10.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes, yes it is |
| 18:10.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Millions of half-decade old posts |
| 18:10.44 | kneeki | Is anyone here familiar with using Visual Studio 2008? I'm having one hell of a time making a fucking login page |
| 18:10.52 | mikma | Shop for parties! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGy6txj8FQ0 |
| 18:11.45 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: I'm afraid I also tend to archivist behavior. Just because it may never be useful doesn't mean it should be saved. |
| 18:11.51 | alestane | shouldn't* |
| 18:12.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure, but I draw the line at.. 4chan. |
| 18:13.06 | DWSR | indeed |
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| 18:26.11 | DWSR | ScytheBlade1: That's a pretty low standard if that's where you draw the line. |
| 18:26.26 | Kraps_ | rages at nieces/nephews |
| 18:26.54 | DWSR | why? |
| 18:27.59 | ScytheBlade1 | true |
| 18:29.17 | DWSR | Anyone use Grid purely for display as a DPS class? |
| 18:29.31 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 18:29.32 | AnduinLothar | lulz |
| 18:29.33 | ScytheBlade1 | well |
| 18:29.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I do that + decurse management |
| 18:29.56 | AnduinLothar | decursing is about the only reason, and you can use decursive for that |
| 18:30.00 | AnduinLothar | or grid |
| 18:30.11 | AnduinLothar | or maybe buffing |
| 18:30.18 | AnduinLothar | but there are better mods for buffing |
| 18:30.31 | DWSR | I'm a warlock. |
| 18:30.35 | DWSR | I don't buff and I don't decurse. |
| 18:30.39 | DWSR | I sit there and kill shit with mad fia. |
| 18:30.43 | AnduinLothar | thn you dotn need it |
| 18:30.55 | DWSR | I was thinking about using Grid as raid frames though |
| 18:31.10 | AnduinLothar | get something less ugly |
| 18:31.13 | AnduinLothar | like praid |
| 18:31.18 | DWSR | using PB4 atm |
| 18:32.00 | Industrial | someone give me the name of a good standup comedian that I don't know yet |
| 18:32.08 | Industrial | like Ralphe May (but I do know, and love, him) |
| 18:32.20 | Lopeppeppy | Steven Wright. |
| 18:32.23 | Lopeppeppy | Carrot Top |
| 18:32.24 | DWSR | ^^ |
| 18:32.28 | DWSR | Steven Wright. |
| 18:32.30 | Lopeppeppy | Jalapeno on a steeek guy. |
| 18:32.31 | Industrial | thanks! |
| 18:32.35 | Lopeppeppy | I always forget his name. |
| 18:32.40 | Industrial | moar yuotueb! |
| 18:32.45 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: Have his DVD. effing hilarious |
| 18:32.56 | Ackis | Russell Peters |
| 18:33.02 | sacarasc | Ross Noble. |
| 18:33.18 | Lopeppeppy | Classic: "Who's on First" |
| 18:33.42 | DWSR | btw Lopeppeppy Jeff Dunham. |
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| 18:35.13 | Fisker | slaps Lopeppeppy around a bit with a large trout |
| 18:36.53 | Lopeppeppy | Thanks, DWSR! |
| 18:36.56 | Lopeppeppy | Fisker, be nice. |
| 18:36.59 | DWSR | np. :) |
| 18:41.05 | Fisker | Teach a man to fish and he will be fed for all of his life, give a man and a fish and he'll bitch and whine :( |
| 18:41.46 | DWSR | Not that you'll ever be able to actually teach the guy to fish. He'll get fed up about the fact that he hasn't caught something within the first 30 seconds and then quit. |
| 18:41.51 | DWSR | s/quit/ragequit/ |
| 18:42.12 | Zyndrome | Give a man a fish, he'll be fed for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he will bitch that it takes too damn long and that fishes don't hook in bulks. |
| 18:42.19 | Zyndrome | durr |
| 18:42.27 | cog|work | alestane: woops... c8 |
| 18:42.39 | Lopeppeppy | Ragequit is good. |
| 18:42.43 | Lopeppeppy | Get rid of the sheeples, says I. |
| 18:42.47 | cog|work | punishes himself |
| 18:42.59 | Lopeppeppy | Don't torture yourself darling, that's my job. *weg* |
| 18:43.06 | DWSR | Lopeppeppy: So open a fishing school. |
| 18:43.07 | alestane | cog|work: However, someone apparently miswrote it in a presentation somewhere, which now turns up bad results on Google. |
| 18:43.37 | cog|work | alestane: i've got a picture of the molecule on my cubicle wall. I should know better. >< |
| 18:44.01 | NeoTron | so the biggest issue with not playing WoW anymore is the cost of playing other games. an mmorpg is very cheap entertainment |
| 18:44.06 | alestane | I figured that the c8 definition was right when I searched for it and turned up mugs and t-shirts. |
| 18:44.50 | DWSR | AnduinLothar: Where can I pick up praid? |
| 18:45.12 | mikma | torhal_: http://wowinterface.com/downloads/info13097-Ribbon.html .. yoink! |
| 18:45.15 | AnduinLothar | PerfectRaid, it's on wowi |
| 18:45.26 | cog|work | http://iceberg.braxis.org/~kszysiu/tmp/caffeine.png |
| 18:45.35 | AnduinLothar | may or may not be what you're looking for |
| 18:45.37 | DWSR | mikma: Love the Crazy Arrow in the display. Need to get on that. |
| 18:46.11 | DWSR | mika: For NinjaPanel |
| 18:46.24 | mikma | dwsr: umm, wut? |
| 18:46.45 | mikma | you clicked NinjaPanel link and found a SS there tha thas Crazy Arrow? |
| 18:47.00 | mikma | http://s.wowinterface.com/preview/pvw21264.png |
| 18:47.41 | DWSR | mikma: Yeah. |
| 18:47.54 | DWSR | It's pretty awesome. wouldn't mind beta testing NinjaPanel for you |
| 18:48.18 | Aelobin | how long would 456.8k honor take at lvl 80? :p |
| 18:48.39 | Lopeppeppy | Depends on how you earn it? |
| 18:48.48 | Aelobin | through battlegrounds :] |
| 18:48.50 | DWSR | Aelobin: Not long. |
| 18:48.57 | Aelobin | not really gone the full-out pvp route before |
| 18:49.10 | DWSR | Aelobin: I did 125k a week |
| 18:49.11 | Lopeppeppy | Which battlegrounds, on what holiday weekend, are there any quests or turn-ins associated, etc etc... |
| 18:49.16 | AnduinLothar | i thought NinjaPanel was clads? |
| 18:49.26 | DWSR | AnduinLothar: Maybe it is, I don't know. |
| 18:49.32 | DWSR | I don't look really close. |
| 18:49.48 | DWSR | Aelobin: It's not too hard, just make sure to do at least 1 of each BG so you can do For Great Honor. |
| 18:49.50 | AnduinLothar | pretty sure, same author as praid and tomtom, which has the crazy taxi arrow |
| 18:50.04 | Aelobin | hmm yeh |
| 18:50.04 | DWSR | And also, do the daily BG and also WG whenever it comes up. |
| 18:50.28 | Aelobin | that 69 DK twink i made and mentioned a couple times, i'm thinking about levelling it to 80 solely via PvP next patch |
| 18:50.33 | Aelobin | then buying full deadly etc =) |
| 18:50.44 | DWSR | I did 125k Honor/week when WG was dailies, so you might have a tougher time doing that now, but I wasn't doing it too much |
| 18:50.54 | DWSR | Aelobin: Yeah, I'm at full deadly atm. It's really nice, but warlocks still suck in PvP. |
| 18:50.58 | DWSR | No roots. |
| 18:51.12 | Aelobin | ^^ |
| 18:51.34 | DWSR | I rape DKs though. |
| 18:51.45 | DWSR | I dunno why, but unholy DKs think AMS and AMZ save you from Chaos Bolt. |
| 18:51.54 | Aelobin | rofl :P |
| 18:52.03 | Aelobin | i only pop it to be fear-immune |
| 18:52.04 | DWSR | It's like NOM NOM NOM |
| 18:52.08 | Aelobin | mark of blood is nice on locks ;) |
| 18:52.13 | DWSR | Yeah, it's not bad. |
| 18:52.19 | DWSR | AMS is a bit of a PITA. |
| 18:52.26 | DWSR | But as destro it goes down pretty quickly. |
| 18:52.35 | DWSR | AMS really fucking sucks if you're aff, since you can't apply any of your dots. |
| 18:52.40 | Aelobin | what about lichborne? |
| 18:52.45 | DWSR | who cares? |
| 18:52.47 | DWSR | I have stuns. |
| 18:52.50 | DWSR | And DC still works on you |
| 18:52.54 | Aelobin | xD |
| 18:53.06 | DWSR | I have *a* stun, my bad. |
| 18:53.08 | Aelobin | ive only experience from 69 and under spells :p |
| 18:53.15 | Aelobin | that annoying stun :< |
| 18:53.30 | DWSR | The AoE stun that makes flag running in WSG and EotS such a joke. |
| 18:53.36 | DWSR | Oh look, your whole team. |
| 18:53.38 | DWSR | STUN |
| 18:54.06 | DWSR | anyway, I g2g. |
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| 19:09.29 | mikma | torhal_: afaik, LibQTip is missing the spacerline now? |
| 19:09.47 | mikma | torhal_: nvm, it's there |
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| 19:22.50 | Torhal_ | ~lart mikma |
| 19:22.50 | purl | squeezes mikma till mikma turns blue like papa smurf |
| 19:23.51 | Fisker | slaps Torhal_ around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:24.03 | Fisker | leave him be |
| 19:25.19 | mikma | torhal_: :( |
| 19:25.23 | Fisker | slaps mikma around a bit with a large trout |
| 19:25.26 | Fisker | leave him be! |
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| 19:27.16 | mikma | fisker: leave me be |
| 19:27.18 | Lopeppeppy | Leave Britney alone! |
| 19:28.33 | alestane | Apparently C# is the new job market magic word. |
| 19:32.06 | Lopeppeppy | So I hear. |
| 19:32.34 | alestane | I'm searching up C++ jobs, and most of them also covet C#/.NET experience. |
| 19:35.19 | nicoli_s | if you know C++ learning c# is pretty easy |
| 19:35.53 | alestane | Wonderful, another damn language. Although it sounds like C# is basically Python wearing C's clothes. |
| 19:36.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Despite the name, it has no even little semblence of C/C++, yeah |
| 19:38.08 | NightHawkTheSane | course, try telling some hr moron that it really is just another language and you can pick it up in a week, when all they know are the buzzwords :P |
| 19:38.16 | nicoli_s | alestane, id say its more like java with c's clothes |
| 19:38.37 | alestane | I dunno, after some of the stuff I saw Shirik posting in here. |
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| 19:38.53 | alestane | queries and selections and lambdas. |
| 19:39.15 | nicoli_s | it def has matured greatly since its earlier versions though |
| 19:40.18 | ccox | C#? Yeah, closer to Java. |
| 19:40.20 | NeoTron | the stuff Shirik posted makes me cringe |
| 19:40.33 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik makes me cringe. |
| 19:40.48 | ccox | well, yeah, - it's a language defined by Microsoft: what part of that doesn't make you cringe? |
| 19:41.20 | durcyn | i thought it was basically microsoft embracing and extending java |
| 19:41.43 | nicoli_s | i personally love it |
| 19:41.44 | alestane | I always figured that it was just to .NET what Objective-C is to Cocoa. |
| 19:41.45 | NightHawkTheSane | its MS trying to rebrand both C and Java in their own image ;) |
| 19:42.04 | nicoli_s | theres so much shit built in, and gui coding is a breeze |
| 19:42.19 | cog|work | hmm... i'm not sure wanda should've hyphenated her name... http://www.lawsociety.org.uk/choosingandusing/findasolicitor/view=solicitordetails.law?id=164558&orgid=44910&SURNAME=osuch&FORENAMES=&FIRMNAME=&POSTCODE=&searchType=S |
| 19:42.27 | NightHawkTheSane | alestane: yeah, thats not a terrible analogy |
| 19:42.31 | cog|work | erm sry long link |
| 19:42.44 | cog|work | http://tinyurl.com/44696 |
| 19:42.49 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 19:43.14 | ccox | alestane - not bad: both are slow alternatives to the real language that make it easy to write simple UIs and get in the way of writing complex UIS |
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| 19:43.39 | Lopeppeppy | Languages, Polish? I'm gonna bet this one is fake? |
| 19:43.52 | alestane | And a way to suck engineers into your technology and make them less portable. |
| 19:44.01 | ccox | alestane - yep |
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| 19:47.05 | Fisker | you hear that? |
| 19:47.55 | Thunder_Child | ~ping |
| 19:47.56 | purl | ~pong |
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| 19:48.07 | cog|work | Lopeppeppy: don't think so... she's mentioned on some other sites... |
| 19:48.22 | Fisker | this guy is watching all of his sockets and processes! |
| 19:48.31 | Fisker | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=10222152313&sid=1&pageNo=2#31 <-so obviously it's Blizzard's fault |
| 19:49.02 | Fisker | Also apparently Blizzard doesn't watch their sockets and processes well enough to detect a rival company violating several laws |
| 19:49.15 | Fisker | It's probably Funcom |
| 19:49.28 | Fisker | "WoW killed our WoWkiller :(" |
| 19:50.43 | Lopeppeppy | The grammar hurts my head, I'm gonna go shoot someone now. |
| 19:52.53 | durcyn | shoot fisker first |
| 19:53.11 | foxlit | "with support request form, information is send over unencrypted http" << No it isn't. |
| 19:53.20 | foxlit | I'm disappointed -- wru, quality trolling? |
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| 20:06.16 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously. |
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| 20:13.44 | Fisker | holy shit fail |
| 20:14.06 | Fisker | he European Commission can confirm that Microsoft has proposed a consumer ballot screen as a solution to the pending antitrust case about the tying of Microsoft Internet Explorer web browser with Windows. |
| 20:14.07 | Fisker | fuck you EC |
| 20:14.09 | Fisker | fuck you. |
| 20:14.37 | cog|work | din mor |
| 20:14.42 | Fisker | din mor cog|work |
| 20:15.42 | Fisker | I hope they include every browser EXCEPT Opera |
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| 20:16.30 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik__] by ChanServ |
| 20:17.43 | cog|work | chuckles |
| 20:17.45 | cog|work | "The declaration syntax which C++ inherits from C (and extends) is so complicated that it is doubtful whether, without the assistance of a manual or source code example, one in ten C++ programmers could correctly declare a prototype for fundamental C++ allocation control function: |
| 20:17.51 | cog|work | set_new_handler which takes a single argument (a pointer to a function taking no arguments and returning void) and returns a similar function pointer (that is: it returns another pointer to a function taking no arguments and returning void)." |
| 20:18.13 | Shirik__ | I see C++! |
| 20:18.25 | Shirik__ | Ask me the question and I will give you the ultimate solution |
| 20:18.31 | Shirik__ | and if it's about why C++ sucks, then you're automatically wrong |
| 20:19.04 | ScytheBlade1 | Why does this app [written in C++] suck? |
| 20:19.19 | cog|work | Shirik__: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers/HTML/ModestProposal.html#section1 |
| 20:19.21 | Dagmar | Man where's that URL |
| 20:19.26 | cog|work | can you do what that quote suggests? |
| 20:20.11 | Dagmar | I dont' really care much for C++, but someone showed me a webpage last night with "suggestions" on how to make C++ syntax more regular and so on, and I thought they were joking at first |
| 20:20.33 | Dagmar | Like, as little as I care for C++ that whole set of suggestions make me like it more becuase they'd be _worse_ |
| 20:20.34 | cog|work | Dagmar: that was me this morning wasn't it? |
| 20:20.39 | Dagmar | Could be |
| 20:20.46 | Dagmar | Using ^ for pointer? |
| 20:21.00 | cog|work | *shrug* that's like the most trivial change they made :P |
| 20:21.05 | Shirik__ | cog|work: That's mostly due to a slight inconsistency in the language |
| 20:21.12 | Dagmar | I know. The rest get weirder |
| 20:21.36 | Shirik__ | The problem is that "Foo bar();" does not define a function named bar that returns a Foo |
| 20:21.43 | Shirik__ | it creates a Foo, named bar, with the default constructor |
| 20:21.46 | cog|work | weirder in relation to C++, but that's the point. |
| 20:21.54 | cog|work | it's supposed to be different |
| 20:21.54 | cog|work | :P |
| 20:21.57 | Shirik__ | However, I do not like that paper just by the beginnings |
| 20:22.06 | Gnarfoz | hmmm |
| 20:22.14 | Shirik__ | They're trying to justify changing the language by "it's difficult to machine-parse" |
| 20:22.24 | Gnarfoz | can't install debian amd64 because it can't seem to read the cd o_O |
| 20:22.27 | Dagmar | There's only two types of languages with no inconsistencies in them. The insane ones like Haskell that make it impossible by brute force and the insane ones like perl that make it impossible by virtue of everything still parses |
| 20:22.45 | alestane | Shirik__: so would it be Foo bar(void);? |
| 20:23.00 | Shirik__ | yes |
| 20:23.11 | Shirik__ | though without context this is hard to say, really |
| 20:23.14 | Shirik__ | but yes |
| 20:23.26 | cog|work | 13:22 <@Shirik__> They're trying to justify changing the language by "it's difficult to machine-parse" |
| 20:23.31 | Dagmar | Screw whether or not it's difficult to machine parse. That's why we have machines. They need to worry about things for which the result is undefined. |
| 20:23.35 | cog|work | i think you're missing something |
| 20:23.41 | Shirik__ | because what happens here is that two things are legal, but only one of them is intended, so there's a precedence on what should be assumed first |
| 20:23.54 | Dagmar | You know, the fun parts that shatter half a dozen projects whnever gcc has a minor number change |
| 20:24.05 | Shirik__ | when one becomes illegal in a particular context, then the other is assumed, of course |
| 20:24.13 | Shirik__ | which is why this only occurs, for example, from within another function |
| 20:24.23 | alestane | I wouldn't have a problem with forcing declaring new variables as Foo bar = Foo(); to eliminate that ambiguity, I don't think. |
| 20:24.42 | Shirik__ | but that violates another language construct |
| 20:24.46 | cog|work | Shirik__: the "Motivation" section doesn't say anything about machine readability. Formal grammatical simplicity was the last of the four design prisciples considered |
| 20:24.47 | Shirik__ | that's legal |
| 20:24.49 | Dagmar | Needless redundancy isn't it? |
| 20:24.50 | Shirik__ | if you have an = operator |
| 20:25.01 | Shirik__ | it says Make a Foo, then copy it to bar |
| 20:25.08 | Shirik__ | assuming the = operator acts as copying |
| 20:25.26 | Shirik__ | I take that back, it does actually call the constructor |
| 20:25.34 | Shirik__ | so it's the same as Foo bar(Foo()) |
| 20:25.35 | Dagmar | It has to. |
| 20:25.41 | Shirik__ | it doesn't use operator = |
| 20:25.50 | Arrowmaster | cant you overload the = operator? wouldnt that cause hell for that change? |
| 20:25.50 | Shirik__ | this is a special syntactic sugar |
| 20:26.00 | Shirik__ | You can, but operator = doesn't get used there |
| 20:26.05 | Shirik__ | in that particular case |
| 20:26.11 | alestane | How about a construction operator =()? Foo bar =(initialzation); |
| 20:26.31 | Dagmar | Irregular |
| 20:26.33 | Shirik__ | alestane: That's the syntax sugar; such a construct is always turned into using the constructor |
| 20:26.48 | Shirik__ | Foo bar = Bar(); will be turned into Foo bar(Bar()) |
| 20:26.51 | alestane | Although it looks like they're working on something like that for C++0x. |
| 20:27.01 | Dagmar | Is that name serious? |
| 20:27.14 | Shirik__ | it's the temporary name for the new standard |
| 20:27.17 | alestane | So it initializes your variable from an anonymous object? |
| 20:27.20 | Shirik__ | until they figure out what year it will publish |
| 20:27.23 | Shirik__ | yes alestane |
| 20:27.23 | cog|work | and it's probably going to be C++1x |
| 20:27.27 | Shirik__ | ^ |
| 20:27.28 | Dagmar | Okay so clearly they're aware it'll make eyes bleed then |
| 20:27.34 | Dagmar | Ugh |
| 20:27.37 | Shirik__ | It's just like C99, C89, whatever |
| 20:27.40 | Shirik__ | C++09 |
| 20:27.41 | Shirik__ | etc. |
| 20:27.48 | alestane | But I read something about initializers using {}. |
| 20:27.50 | Dagmar | They're significantly shorter |
| 20:27.55 | Shirik__ | That's in C++0x yeah alestane |
| 20:27.57 | Shirik__ | and kinda cool |
| 20:28.01 | cog|work | Dagmar: it's just a placeholder until they figure out what year it's going to be finalized |
| 20:28.08 | Dagmar | Ahhh |
| 20:28.09 | alestane | Would that resolve the ambiguity? |
| 20:28.12 | Lopeppeppy | *kiss kiss* Bye bye! |
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| 20:28.30 | Shirik__ | I think that's more intended for structures, but I don't pretend to totally understand c++0x yet |
| 20:29.17 | Shirik__ | and I realize there is no technical difference between class and struct except their default visibility |
| 20:29.26 | Shirik__ | but when I say struct I really mean "a collection of data in a single object" |
| 20:30.49 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/118332-2bkn << There's only horror. |
| 20:31.17 | alestane | What they call PODS. |
| 20:32.51 | Shirik__ | yes |
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| 20:35.26 | alestane | "The infamous C++ example: 'char* c1, c2, c3();' has no direct equivalent in SPECS. We consider this to be a feature." |
| 20:37.17 | cog|work | i let out a chuckle when i read that :) |
| 20:38.21 | alestane | Someone said in here very recently that a language has never, will never and can never be created in which it is not easy to write bad code. |
| 20:38.30 | cog|work | Dagmar: re: the pointer symbol, * has always bugged me, especially when multiplying dereferenced pointers |
| 20:38.55 | cog|work | I'd agree with that |
| 20:39.11 | alestane | They might have used ^, the way Pascal does, except that it was taken for the bitxor operator. |
| 20:39.45 | Cruciformer | @ was available and almost makes sense. "at" address whatever. |
| 20:40.43 | alestane | That would presumably have served the purpose that & does in C. And in fact, ^ and @ are the Pascal equivalents of * and & as unary operators. |
| 20:40.55 | cog|work | that's what SPECS did |
| 20:41.00 | cog|work | and they changed bitwise xor to ! |
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| 20:41.12 | Cruciformer | what is not then? |
| 20:41.27 | cog|work | ! |
| 20:41.32 | cog|work | one's binary, one's unary |
| 20:41.39 | alestane | However, it basically seems to be an attempt to make C++ less unclear by making it more verbose. |
| 20:42.12 | cog|work | alestane: pretty much, yeah |
| 20:42.22 | alestane | C++ is syntactically dense; that has always been a prominent part of both its appeal and its atrocity. |
| 20:43.27 | Cruciformer | alestane: perl has to be the worst for that, altho I am told PL is even worse but Ive never used that so I cant comment. perl is attrociously dense tho. |
| 20:44.02 | Cruciformer | s /PL/APL/ |
| 20:44.34 | alestane | "A Programming Language", isn't it? |
| 20:44.42 | Cruciformer | yes sir |
| 20:44.54 | cog|work | long live brainfuck, imo |
| 20:45.02 | Cruciformer | its highly symbolic ... it needs a special keyboard template. uses lots of weird symbols for its primitives. |
| 20:45.20 | Kraps_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q95k3pl8bYQ |
| 20:45.34 | alestane | Semi-random question...can one include a header file into a namespace, so that it's encapsulated in there? |
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| 20:46.01 | cog|work | alestane: pretty sure. #include is simply a textual replacement |
| 20:46.18 | Cruciformer | alestane: yes. any preprocessor stuff is completed before tokenisation |
| 20:47.23 | alestane | So I could say 'namespace oldAPI { #include "oldAPI.h" };' and the declarations would all become oldAPI::declaration? |
| 20:48.25 | Cruciformer | thats how I understand it yes. |
| 20:49.03 | Cruciformer | pre-processing is just that ... PRE processing. All macro expansion, text insertion (#include) etc is dealt with before the parser proper begins. |
| 20:50.36 | Cruciformer | altho in modern C there are very minor exceptions, such as the token pasting operation, and how it deals with whitespace and the like. In original C the preprocessor was a very dumb text replacement engine. |
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| 20:51.09 | Kraps_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-94JhLEiN0&feature=haxa_popt00us00 |
| 20:51.15 | Cruciformer | (and it holds tue for C++ too) |
| 20:51.25 | Kraps_ | thats the wedding entrance vid |
| 20:53.02 | foxlit | "Allowed memory size of 67108864 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 128 bytes)" ... qq |
| 20:54.44 | alestane | Continuing to look, they indeed seem to be trying to turn C++ into Pascal; they are also replacing the = operator with the := operator, or at least that's what it looks like so far. |
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| 20:57.26 | foxlit | That must be one heck of an output loop :/ |
| 20:58.50 | alestane | Ineed: 'Most significantly we have rejected the "failed experiment" of the C declaration notation, in favour of a more Pascal-like approach.' |
| 20:58.57 | cog|work | alestane: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers/HTML/ModestProposal.html#footnote3.1 |
| 20:59.09 | cog|work | Note that the arrow-like symbol "<-" was originally our preferred candidate for the assignment operator, but this binding creates significant problems because assignments can occur in logical tests, leading to ambiguities |
| 21:03.51 | alestane | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDA9NbPAK8o |
| 21:08.59 | Shirik__ | alestane: I just don't like SPECS, simple enough |
| 21:09.13 | Shirik__ | it changes things because it's hard for a computer to read |
| 21:09.21 | Shirik__ | which seems totally contrary to the idea of a language to me |
| 21:09.28 | Shirik__ | why not go back to assembly |
| 21:09.34 | Shirik__ | that's easy for a computer to read |
| 21:09.34 | alestane | I thought it was changing things because they're hard for people to read. |
| 21:09.41 | Shirik__ | I have no problem reading it |
| 21:09.46 | Shirik__ | They're complaining because THEY have trouble readin git |
| 21:09.54 | Shirik__ | you know what I say to it? Try using C++ more |
| 21:10.06 | Shirik__ | Just like any language it's not going to feel right initially |
| 21:10.12 | Shirik__ | but once you've become fluent in it, it's second nature |
| 21:10.19 | alestane | But as it happens, I used to program in Pascal, and I was rather relieved at the terser syntax of C when I discovered it. |
| 21:10.50 | nicoli_s | well i dunno about that, i felt right at home learning c# |
| 21:11.12 | alestane | It's really just the age-old tension of verbosity vs. obscurity. |
| 21:11.48 | alestane | I sort of like the project's existence, since the semantics are identical, actually; I simply have no need to adopt the syntax myself. |
| 21:12.22 | alestane | That way people can approach the same semantics through whatever grammar is accessible to them. |
| 21:12.43 | cog|work | 14:09 <@Shirik__> it changes things because it's hard for a computer to read |
| 21:12.52 | cog|work | you missed the point (as i tried to explain earlier) |
| 21:13.29 | cog|work | 14:10 <@Shirik__> but once you've become fluent in it, it's second nature |
| 21:13.40 | cog|work | What say you re: that example i first quoted in here? |
| 21:14.08 | Shirik__ | I may have missed it because I was OOO |
| 21:14.35 | cog|work | "The declaration syntax which C++ inherits from C (and extends) is so complicated that it is doubtful whether, without the assistance of a manual or source code example, one in ten C++ programmers could correctly declare a prototype for fundamental C++ allocation control function: |
| 21:14.40 | cog|work | set_new_handler which takes a single argument (a pointer to a function taking no arguments and returning void) and returns a similar function pointer (that is: it returns another pointer to a function taking no arguments and returning void)." |
| 21:14.47 | Shirik__ | I said I agree that is an issue which programmers will run into |
| 21:14.48 | Shirik__ | however |
| 21:14.54 | Shirik__ | (1) Once you've run into it, you won't run into it again |
| 21:15.01 | Shirik__ | (2) the reason they don't know is because it's almost never necessary |
| 21:15.29 | alestane | I'm not sure it would be significantly easier in SPECS anyway. |
| 21:15.47 | Shirik__ | Once you know of that corner case of the C++ language, you know how to resolve it in the future |
| 21:15.53 | Shirik__ | it's just learning the language |
| 21:16.00 | Shirik__ | I happen to know of that case because I ran into it in the past |
| 21:16.04 | cog|work | (1) isn't true. (2) is beside the point. |
| 21:16.13 | Shirik__ | why is 1 not true? |
| 21:16.18 | Shirik__ | Are people incapable of learning? |
| 21:17.33 | nicoli_s | i r |
| 21:17.46 | cog|work | the way you phrased it i thought you meant they'd never run into the same situation not that they'd never run into the same difficulty |
| 21:18.01 | cog|work | in which case the fact of (2) still serves my point |
| 21:18.16 | cog|work | if it's years between running into the problem, you'd still have to find out how you solved it the first time |
| 21:18.16 | alestane | Something like "func set_new_handler: (handler: ^(void -> void) -> ^(void -> void) )". Still requires considerable eyestrain to parse fully. |
| 21:19.04 | Arrowmaster | to me any C requires considerable eyestrain to parse |
| 21:19.13 | cog|work | alestane: the issue here is less with understanding and more with generation |
| 21:19.24 | alestane | I have no problem with someone proposing an alternate syntax, as long as they're not proposing the abolition of the one I'm using |
| 21:19.24 | Arrowmaster | why isnt there a compiled language with the syntax of an interpreted language |
| 21:19.29 | cog|work | (understanding is always easier than production) |
| 21:19.49 | cog|work | http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers/HTML/ModestProposal.html#appendixa |
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| 21:22.12 | alestane | I'm not sure that that definition is right. |
| 21:22.26 | alestane | Declaration, rather. |
| 21:22.58 | cog|work | the fact that you're not sure illustrates the problem quite nicely, imo XD |
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| 21:23.33 | alestane | Well, I think it correctly declares a function pointer type. |
| 21:23.45 | alestane | I thought the intention was to declare an actual function. |
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| 21:24.37 | alestane | But I also agree that that's pretty extremely an edge case. |
| 21:25.16 | alestane | It's rather like someone sat down and brainstormed the most confusing thing to accomplish in C++ syntax. |
| 21:25.47 | nicoli_s | happens all the time at the code obfuscation contest |
| 21:25.59 | alestane | Also an edge case. |
| 21:26.03 | cog|work | alestane: except set_new_handler is part of the standard C++ library |
| 21:26.25 | Shirik__ | cog|work: Let me be a bit more blunt |
| 21:27.07 | Shirik__ | nm, we can discuss it later :) |
| 21:27.16 | cog|work | XD |
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| 21:29.56 | alestane | cog|work: That doesn't mean that people are frequently obliged to use it. |
| 21:30.34 | alestane | Some components of standard libraries are there because there is no other way to accomplish what they do. |
| 21:30.43 | cog|work | exactly, imo |
| 21:31.42 | Dagmar | s/other/better/; |
| 21:31.56 | foxlit | grumble, php docs. |
| 21:31.58 | Dagmar | There's a point at which is ceases being useful for computer scientists to keep solving the same problem again and again. |
| 21:31.58 | alestane | I don't have a problem with their proposal; I rarely object to having a new mechanism for expression. I see no reason to endorse, adopt, nor oppose it. |
| 21:32.21 | cog|work | agreed :) |
| 21:32.24 | foxlit | I can't find where they define $string[1] syntax to refer to characters in a string; more importantly, I wander if you can assign chars the same way. |
| 21:32.54 | foxlit | *o |
| 21:33.17 | alestane | The syntax is, to my mind, neither better nor worse; it is simply more verbose and more readily disambiguated. |
| 21:33.45 | alestane | These two being more or less direct consequences of each other. |
| 21:34.31 | NeoTron | the PHP docs is a nice example of PHP itself. chaotic |
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| 21:36.59 | alestane | "Le plus je vois des hommes, le plus j'aime ma chat."; The more I program C++ the more I love Lua. But high-level languages can't generally exist without low-level ones, so someone has to write in them. |
| 21:38.39 | foxlit | NeoTron: found it, "language.types.string" |
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| 21:41.01 | cog|work | alestane: i agree their declaration looks wrong, but i just tested it and it works as advertised. |
| 21:41.43 | Shirik__ | so |
| 21:41.50 | Shirik__ | who thinks they know C++ really well :) |
| 21:41.57 | Thunder_Child | not me |
| 21:42.09 | cog|work | Shirik__: ask me that in -6 years |
| 21:42.25 | alestane | 6 years ago? |
| 21:42.27 | nicoli_s | knew it at a beginner level like 3 years ago |
| 21:42.31 | Shirik__ | http://pastey.net/118364/38 |
| 21:42.37 | Shirik__ | The highlighted line is illegal, with good reason |
| 21:42.37 | cog|work | alestane: aye XD |
| 21:43.43 | Shirik__ | however, I want an IFoo, not a Foo |
| 21:43.43 | Repo | Announcement from my owner (ckknight): hey all, I gotta take the server down for a DB upgrade for about 20 minutes. This includes the repos. |
| 21:43.44 | Shirik__ | but it must _BE_ a Foo, it just must not be referenced as a Foo |
| 21:43.44 | ckknight | by server, I mean wowace and curseforge |
| 21:43.57 | Esamynn | you fool! what about 5 9s of availability!??!!? :P |
| 21:44.12 | ckknight | I never promised that. |
| 21:44.21 | ckknight | you get half a 9 at best. |
| 21:44.23 | ckknight | <.< |
| 21:44.24 | ckknight | >.> |
| 21:44.25 | Esamynn | haha |
| 21:44.40 | Esamynn | that would be pretty crappy |
| 21:45.16 | ckknight | lua> 100 * (1 - 0.1 ^ 5) |
| 21:45.17 | lua_bot | ckknight: 99.999 |
| 21:45.21 | ckknight | lua> 100 * (1 - 0.1 ^ 0.5) |
| 21:45.22 | lua_bot | ckknight: 68.377223398316 |
| 21:45.24 | ckknight | there you are |
| 21:45.29 | ckknight | 68.37% uptime |
| 21:45.30 | ckknight | woo |
| 21:45.57 | cog|work | Shirik__: lol "error C2248: 'Foo::Foo' : cannot access private member declared in class 'Foo'" |
| 21:47.21 | Shirik__ | cog|work: That's a side effect of the inherent problem |
| 21:47.29 | Shirik__ | g++ has a more meaningful message |
| 21:47.45 | cog|work | i know i just thought it was a funny message |
| 21:48.00 | Shirik__ | ./test.cpp:41: error: invalid initialization of non-const reference of type 'IFoo&' from a temporary of type 'Foo' |
| 21:48.18 | cog|work | vc gave something similar as a warning |
| 21:48.28 | cog|work | reference member is initialized to a temporary that doesn't persist after the constructor exits |
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| 21:49.27 | Shirik__ | yeah, that's the real problem |
| 21:49.40 | Shirik__ | I recognize, as the compiler does, that what this code is trying to do won't actually work |
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| 21:50.40 | cog|work | i think i understand it but i'd be hard pressed to describe it |
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| 21:53.00 | Shirik__ | the guys in ##c++ are basically saying to use an IFoo* instead, which is what I figured |
| 21:53.40 | sacarasc | You believe the trolls in ##c++? :o |
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| 21:57.37 | Fisker | slaps Shirik__ around a bit with a large trout |
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| 21:58.05 | cog|work | Shirik: inline Bar():myFoo(*(new Foo())) { }; inline ~Bar() { delete (Foo *)(&myFoo); } |
| 21:58.19 | cog|work | (horrible solution, i know, but it compiles and runs! :P ) |
| 21:58.54 | Fisker | slaps cog|work around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:59.02 | Fisker | you can't stop me |
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| 21:59.08 | cog|work | grabs the trout from Fisker and continues to slap himself |
| 21:59.16 | cog|work | Fisker: it's ok. i deserved it that time :P |
| 22:02.17 | Ackis | slaps the trout with Fisker |
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| 22:03.46 | cog|work | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7jpJ12lBjg |
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| 22:05.41 | Fisker | it's getting hot in here cog|work |
| 22:07.30 | cog|work | http://news.tubefilter.tv/2009/07/24/the-guild-adds-wil-wheaton-rocks-comic-con/ |
| 22:09.28 | foxlit | grr. http://wow.go-hero.net/ gets a horizontal scrollbar way earlier thanit should. |
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| 22:09.40 | foxlit | I can't see what actually stretches it that wide :/ |
| 22:10.09 | foxlit | ah, footer. I'm being silly :( |
| 22:11.29 | Repo | Announcement from my owner (ckknight): alright, beautiful people, wowace and curseforge are now back up and running. |
| 22:12.50 | Fisker | haha |
| 22:12.54 | Fisker | Microsoft just won the game |
| 22:12.55 | Fisker | http://i31.tinypic.com/2elv18x.jpg |
| 22:13.18 | Fisker | So basically they keep IE8 as opt-out, and all the other browsers can suck their dick as people just close the window and forget whatever it was about |
| 22:13.54 | Gnarfoz | ? that site doesn't even exist |
| 22:14.02 | Fisker | of course not |
| 22:14.11 | Fisker | it's a concept |
| 22:14.26 | Gnarfoz | for what? |
| 22:14.35 | Fisker | For european versions of Windows |
| 22:14.39 | Arrowmaster | they say disable access to IE8, what about uninstalling it? |
| 22:14.42 | Gnarfoz | for the "let the user choose a webbrowser during installation"? |
| 22:15.00 | Fisker | Arrowmaster same shit really |
| 22:15.06 | Ackis | is sending ascii messages to chat against the ToS at all? |
| 22:15.07 | Gnarfoz | also, EU versions already don't ship with ie8 installed, what's the big deal? |
| 22:15.08 | Arrowmaster | i doubt it |
| 22:15.15 | Gnarfoz | Ackis: maybe under 'spamming'. |
| 22:15.16 | Fisker | Gnarfoz no they don't |
| 22:15.19 | Fisker | it's with Windows 7 |
| 22:15.23 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 22:15.26 | Fisker | And that hasn't shipped yet |
| 22:15.30 | Gnarfoz | eu versions ship ie8 as a separate disc |
| 22:15.33 | Fisker | no |
| 22:15.37 | Gnarfoz | yeeeees? |
| 22:15.38 | Fisker | no |
| 22:15.45 | Arrowmaster | i really want IE to be completely removed so shitty programs will stop linking to it as their web renderer |
| 22:15.47 | Gnarfoz | wonder why they said they'd do that, then. |
| 22:15.48 | Fisker | They proposed to remove IE8 from Windows 7 |
| 22:15.54 | Fisker | they never said that Gnarfoz |
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| 22:16.00 | ckknight | Arrowmaster: MSHTML.dll is still in |
| 22:16.04 | Fisker | Now they've proposed to have a choice after install |
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| 22:16.09 | Gnarfoz | they said they'd do that to head off any EU antitrust decision that could've forced them to do it |
| 22:16.13 | Fisker | exactly ckknight |
| 22:16.16 | Fisker | and they won't remove it |
| 22:16.18 | Arrowmaster | that sucks |
| 22:16.23 | Fisker | so you might as well get it out of your shitty mind |
| 22:16.31 | Fisker | As it's a lot better than the alternative btw |
| 22:16.36 | Ackis | Fisker: are you supporting or against this? |
| 22:16.42 | Fisker | supporting |
| 22:16.47 | Ackis | ok then I'm against it |
| 22:16.50 | Fisker | Because it fucks up Opera so much |
| 22:16.55 | Ackis | I'm not quite sure what's going on however |
| 22:17.00 | Gnarfoz | who cares about opera? :P |
| 22:17.05 | Arrowmaster | nobody |
| 22:17.09 | ckknight | Opera, Inc. |
| 22:17.20 | Fisker | Gnarfoz Windows 7 E was a response to the upcoming anti-trust case yes |
| 22:17.23 | Gnarfoz | ckknight: hehe |
| 22:17.23 | Arrowmaster | their last on that list |
| 22:17.25 | cog|work | not even opera's vendors care about opera |
| 22:17.30 | Fisker | But they've NEVER EVER said they were going to ship IE8 on a seperate disk |
| 22:17.36 | Gnarfoz | yes, they said that. |
| 22:17.39 | Fisker | NO |
| 22:17.43 | cog|work | http://my.opera.com/hallvors/blog/2009/07/20/most-expensive-javascript-ever |
| 22:17.44 | Ackis | I don't know why they can even get sued for anti-trust when it's their software |
| 22:17.50 | Gnarfoz | wonder why that has been all over the news here, then ;) |
| 22:17.51 | Fisker | Infact they've clearly stated that users should have their own browser on a cd or other removable media |
| 22:17.58 | Fisker | Because people suck Gnarfoz ? |
| 22:18.18 | Gnarfoz | Ackis: sigh, try reading up a bit about the whole thing, if you don't even know what antitrust means ;) |
| 22:18.39 | Fisker | http://windows.microsoft.com/upgrade-windows-E |
| 22:18.41 | Ackis | Gnarfoz: I'm guessing it's the same shit that went on in the US a few years back |
| 22:18.56 | Gnarfoz | the US antitrust case against MS was a big, big joke |
| 22:19.30 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: all the same to me, they're not including it, which is a Good Thing (tm) |
| 22:20.00 | Fisker | they're including it |
| 22:20.05 | cog|work | i think it's ridiculous to expect an OS to come without a browser |
| 22:20.14 | theorbtwo | OTOH, the EU cases have had a little more teeth, at least at some points. |
| 22:20.17 | Fisker | Because as i said, their new proposal is to include IE8, but give you a choice of other browsers |
| 22:20.26 | Fisker | And the EC likes that better than no browser at all |
| 22:20.51 | Fisker | So basically they're getting the status quo for linking to 5 browsers hoho |
| 22:21.03 | Gnarfoz | how is this relevant anymore with RTM already gone? |
| 22:21.12 | cog|work | i think the whole thing is stupid. if people want a different browser than install a different fucking browser. No one is suing apple over safari. |
| 22:21.14 | Fisker | This is my build button |
| 22:21.25 | Fisker | It's made of F5 (Or is it F6? Can't remember) |
| 22:21.37 | cog|work | ~lart EC |
| 22:21.37 | purl | gives EC an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending EC to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple |
| 22:21.41 | Gnarfoz | cog|work: classic "missing the point" argument ;) |
| 22:21.52 | cog|work | Gnarfoz: not missing. DISmissing. |
| 22:22.02 | cog|work | antitrust is stupid. microsoft doesn't have a real monopoly |
| 22:22.12 | Fisker | the only thing i'm missing is that the empty "Browser x" be put in front of opera so it's way out to the side |
| 22:22.15 | Arrowmaster | cog|work: i want a different browser but i cant uninstall IE completely and preventing shitty software from linking to it as its rendering engine |
| 22:22.18 | Gnarfoz | I don't care for extra-EU-people 'dismissing' anything regarding EU stuffz, phew :> |
| 22:22.20 | theorbtwo | On the third hand, at some point the EU levied a fine against MS, and they just said "nope. We aren't paying. Make us, I dare you." |
| 22:22.21 | Arrowmaster | thats a major security hole to me |
| 22:22.25 | Fisker | yes you can Arrowmaster |
| 22:22.28 | Fisker | Don't install shitty software |
| 22:22.36 | Fisker | And it's not a major security hole either |
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| 22:22.42 | Gnarfoz | theorbtwo: wonder what you're referring to |
| 22:22.45 | Ackis | Fisker: WAU did that :P |
| 22:22.55 | Arrowmaster | curse client does that |
| 22:22.59 | Arrowmaster | steam does it |
| 22:23.00 | Gnarfoz | WAU, n.: see 'shitty software' |
| 22:23.01 | Arrowmaster | xfire does it |
| 22:23.09 | Fisker | Yep |
| 22:23.14 | Fisker | But it's apparently shitty software |
| 22:23.16 | Fisker | so stop using it |
| 22:23.47 | Fisker | The comfort of an easily maintainable rendering engine > Developing your own or putting in gecko/webkit/whatever |
| 22:24.24 | Fisker | Infact you're only opening up to even worse security holes by changing to stuff like gecko |
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| 22:25.44 | Gnarfoz | anyway, I still say US demand for the EU versions is going to be higher than the other way around. :P |
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| 22:27.22 | cog|work | will be playing with RTM in 2 weeks =D |
| 22:27.25 | Fisker | o/o Microsoft |
| 22:27.34 | Fisker | stop being so technet or msdn cog|work |
| 22:27.44 | cog|work | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large software company |
| 22:27.48 | Gnarfoz | just pirate it and play with it even sooner |
| 22:27.51 | Gnarfoz | :P |
| 22:28.22 | cbreak | it's just an OS... |
| 22:28.23 | Aqua | cough... |
| 22:28.35 | Gnarfoz | ? |
| 22:29.04 | Gnarfoz | also Fisker, how would that 'concept' even work? if RTM-E doesn't contain IE8 in a usable form, how would they display that page? :D |
| 22:29.06 | Aqua | (Operating system) Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit, version 6.1.7600 (44 processes running, 2.8GB free RAM, installed 5h 57m 12s ago, 5h 48m 41s uptime, 5h 48m 41s uptime record) |
| 22:29.12 | Aqua | cough |
| 22:29.13 | cog|work | cbreak: i'm on vista. trust me it'll be an improvement ;) |
| 22:29.16 | Fisker | Gnarfoz by including IE8 |
| 22:29.22 | Gnarfoz | too late. |
| 22:29.27 | Fisker | no |
| 22:29.28 | cbreak | hmm... ok, your environment is special :P |
| 22:29.32 | Gnarfoz | yes Fisker |
| 22:29.34 | Fisker | no |
| 22:29.42 | Aqua | knowing someone that works for HP has its rewards... |
| 22:29.51 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: do tell how, then. |
| 22:29.51 | Fisker | reported |
| 22:29.51 | Fisker | :3 |
| 22:30.05 | Fisker | durr i already told you |
| 22:30.16 | Gnarfoz | can't include it in RTM anymore, it's not in there in RTM |
| 22:30.33 | Fisker | Delete: If EU {IE8 = false;} |
| 22:30.38 | Fisker | Press the F5 butan |
| 22:30.39 | Fisker | or F6 |
| 22:31.11 | Fisker | Gnarfoz RTM is an arbitrary title given to a piece of software by the developers of said software |
| 22:31.19 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: so? |
| 22:31.26 | Aqua | its when the code passes "their QA" |
| 22:31.31 | Gnarfoz | it stops being arbitrary once you do with it what you do with it: |
| 22:31.35 | Gnarfoz | ship it to production |
| 22:31.49 | Gnarfoz | which is what this particular "arbitrary label" stands for |
| 22:31.49 | Fisker | That means said software developers could make a new build and call that RTM |
| 22:32.21 | Gnarfoz | re-read what you just said and think about it for a moment, lol. |
| 22:32.28 | Fisker | no |
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| 22:34.19 | Zinzu | hey everyone |
| 22:34.23 | cog|work | hola |
| 22:34.24 | Zinzu | i was wondering |
| 22:34.38 | Zinzu | im trying to anchor a frame to the TradeSkillFrame |
| 22:34.49 | Zinzu | if i anchor it to the center of UIParent its fine |
| 22:34.59 | Zinzu | but as soon as i try to anchor it to the tradeskillframe |
| 22:35.05 | Zinzu | it doesnt show up at all anymore |
| 22:35.25 | Zinzu | it's anchoring to the minimap perfectly fine as well |
| 22:35.54 | Zinzu | does anyone know o fthere's something special about the tradeskillframe what makes it not work with anchoring stuff to it? |
| 22:37.03 | cog|work | you're testing this while the tradeskillframe is visible, i assume? |
| 22:37.07 | A-KO | yes |
| 22:37.47 | Zinzu | our frame is hidden, and when we open the tradeskill frame it becomes unhidden |
| 22:37.51 | Zinzu | and that actually works |
| 22:38.02 | Zinzu | we just cant seem to anchor it to the tradeskill window |
| 22:38.17 | Zinzu | as soon as we anchor it to the tradeskill window, it wont show up anymore |
| 22:38.38 | cog|work | are you sure you're anchoring it correctly? it may just be hidden by the frame. perhaps you need to raise its strata? |
| 22:39.10 | Esamynn | are you sure you're anchoring after the frame has been created? |
| 22:40.27 | cog|work | ^ your addon should be dependent upon Blizzard_TradeSkillUI |
| 22:40.53 | cog|work | or at least pay attention to it being loaded, if you need to do other stuff at login |
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| 22:52.08 | Fisker | btw bawwww Gnarfoz |
| 22:52.16 | Fisker | For Windows 7, the Ballot Screen update will first be made available to users by the date of the general commercial release of Windows 7, or within two weeks of the adoption of the Commission's decision under Article 9 of Regulation 1/2003, whichever comes later. |
| 22:52.25 | Fisker | But it's already RTM HOW CAN THEY DO SUCH A THING?! |
| 22:52.50 | cog|work | Fisker: ET phone home |
| 22:53.05 | cog|work | be good |
| 22:53.41 | Esamynn | cog|work: is such a thing possible? it *is* Fisker, after all... |
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| 22:55.43 | cog|work | slaps Fisker around a bit with a large Esamynn |
| 22:56.01 | Esamynn | O_o |
| 22:56.11 | Esamynn | ~whaleslap cog|work |
| 22:56.11 | purl | ACTION beats cog|work upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 22:56.46 | Gnarfoz | Fisker: 'ballot screen update' |
| 22:56.52 | Gnarfoz | so they're going to push it through WU? :p |
| 22:57.05 | Gnarfoz | i.e. it's not actually on the RTM disc? ;) |
| 22:57.11 | Gnarfoz | dun dun dunnnn |
| 22:57.18 | Fisker | Depends on the timing |
| 22:57.27 | Fisker | As i said, they can recompile their RTM build |
| 22:57.36 | Gnarfoz | sure could, but do you realize what that'd mean |
| 22:57.46 | Fisker | It would mean the same as it did with Vista |
| 22:57.48 | Fisker | so yeah |
| 22:58.03 | Gnarfoz | sigh |
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| 22:58.36 | Fisker | Oh you forgot that Vista's RTM was announced as 16385 but turned out to be 16386 after all? |
| 22:58.50 | Fisker | Because they hit the F5(or F6) button one last time after the announcement? |
| 22:58.53 | Fisker | Guess you did. |
| 22:59.06 | Esamynn | bloody liars! |
| 22:59.27 | Gnarfoz | I didn't even care for Vista RTM whatever, maybe that's why I didn't care? :p |
| 23:02.14 | Zyndrome | wait, so my download of the Windows 7 RTM was for nothing, ooor? :< |
| 23:02.27 | Zinzu | we figured it out |
| 23:02.40 | Zinzu | the tradeskillframe window is actually WAY smaller than the tradeframe itself |
| 23:02.44 | Zinzu | the addon was working fine |
| 23:02.46 | cog|work | Zyndrome: never believe a word that comes out of Fisker's tubes imo |
| 23:02.47 | Zinzu | it was just hiding :) |
| 23:02.53 | Zinzu | thanks for the help guys :D |
| 23:03.10 | foxlit | http://www.thefump.com/fumps/ds128_platform_wars_lo.mp3 << whee. |
| 23:03.27 | Zyndrome | but Fisker speaks the very truth, like that time he gave a full explanation why melons will rule over humans within 70 years @_@ |
| 23:04.23 | Esamynn | ... |
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| 23:08.02 | Gnarfoz | funny how there was a 5920.16386 before there was a 6000.16386, invalidating what he said anyway |
| 23:08.52 | Fisker | Funny how Windows 7 is 7200.16385 |
| 23:08.58 | Gnarfoz | extremely, yes |
| 23:08.58 | Fisker | That's 1 lower |
| 23:09.12 | Gnarfoz | they're out to get you Fisker, hide, quick |
| 23:09.13 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:09.17 | Fisker | Nah |
| 23:09.20 | Fisker | They're out to get you |
| 23:09.24 | Fisker | Because i just outpwned you |
| 23:09.35 | Esamynn | ~lart Fisker |
| 23:09.35 | purl | takes Fisker to the vet for a "special" visit |
| 23:09.43 | Esamynn | ~botsnack |
| 23:09.43 | purl | Esamynn: aw, gee |
| 23:16.16 | mikma | [02:15:10] Baron Rivendare killed! Run lasted: 3m 47s ^^ |
| 23:16.27 | Fisker | reported |
| 23:16.44 | cog|work | ~seen malreth |
| 23:16.46 | purl | malreth <n=triti@128.83.45.12> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 7d 1h 26m 13s ago, saying: 'later all'. |
| 23:17.54 | cog|work | ~factinfo fisker |
| 23:17.54 | purl | fisker -- created by stolenlegacy <n=stolenle@d86-32-223-111.cust.tele2.at> at Mon Jul 13 09:23:30 2009 (11 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by cog|work, 10s ago. |
| 23:18.01 | mikma | dardack: i noticed that yoy can actually outrun the rat-trapdoor sometimes |
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| 23:18.37 | Fisker | reported for that as well |
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| 23:18.51 | Fisker | You're running faster than the speed of rat-trapdoors |
| 23:19.07 | mikma | cairenn|afk: i report fisker, he trolls to much. |
| 23:19.27 | Fisker | nooo not Fisker |
| 23:19.34 | cog|work | i'm reporting you both for being tattle-tales! |
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| 23:23.18 | Osagasu | ... |
| 23:23.38 | cog|work | pokes Ackis in the eye |
| 23:24.31 | Fisker | goodnight cog|work |
| 23:24.37 | Fisker | may i dream of you, and you of me |
| 23:24.46 | Fisker | *dreamy eyes* |
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| 23:24.51 | Torhal | Fisker: Do androids dream of electric sheep? |
| 23:25.11 | cog|work | Fisker: in your dreams! |
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| 23:39.59 | tem | SIGH |
| 23:40.10 | tem | I tried to upgrade my laptop's copy of ubuntu last night |
| 23:40.16 | tem | and now it won't boot |
| 23:40.17 | mikma | ouch |
| 23:40.33 | Arrowmaster | i didnt think ubuntu could be 'upgraded' |
| 23:41.06 | mikma | sure they can |
| 23:41.26 | mikma | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 23:41.29 | ScytheBlade1 | You win fixing a bootloader is by bet |
| 23:41.36 | mikma | boom, bye bye working system |
| 23:41.42 | ScytheBlade1 | *my |
| 23:41.55 | mikma | thunder_child: hullo! |
| 23:42.42 | mikma | thunder_child: http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_072409_193603.jpg |
| 23:45.14 | tem | ScytheBlade1, actually, it "boots" just fine |
| 23:45.34 | tem | but about when it should be asking me for my login info, I get a screen full of graphical artifacts |
| 23:45.36 | tem | and it hangs there |
| 23:45.48 | tem | it seems like it's blowing up on starting X |
| 23:46.05 | tem | I think I'm going to just say fuckit and install windows 7 |
| 23:46.29 | mikma | do it. |
| 23:47.11 | Gnarfoz | do eeet. |
| 23:48.24 | Gnarfoz | also, point me to a good howto for doing a "LUKS on top of a dmraid RAID 1" setup :< |
| 23:48.33 | ScytheBlade1 | tem: ctrl+alt+F2 |
| 23:48.43 | tem | yeah |
| 23:48.45 | Gnarfoz | (that luks partition is going to be the root filesystem) |
| 23:49.19 | mikma | !google raid for dummies |
| 23:49.20 | batbot | mikma: RAID For Dummies: No, it's not an Insecticide - [Geeks are Sexy ... <http://geeksaresexy.blogspot.com/2006/03/raid-for-dummies-no-its-not.html> |
| 23:49.29 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 23:49.43 | Arrowmaster | debian installer has an option to do an encrypted LVM, dont know if it uses LUKS though |
| 23:50.09 | tem | we.. |
| 23:50.11 | tem | well |
| 23:50.14 | tem | I would install windows 7 |
| 23:50.21 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: no, neither LUKS nor RAID |
| 23:50.22 | tem | but the damn page isn't working |
| 23:50.22 | Gnarfoz | :( |
| 23:50.37 | Arrowmaster | you can make it use dmraid, i did lastweek |
| 23:50.43 | Arrowmaster | you just have to change the boot option |
| 23:50.45 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: i.e. it has auto-setup options for raid, for LVM and encrypted LVM, but no combination of any of them |
| 23:51.06 | Gnarfoz | I guess I'll set it up as a raid for now and try converting it to encrypted later on? |
| 23:51.19 | Gnarfoz | or should I do the opposite, make it encrypted now and set up the raid later? |
| 23:51.19 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 23:51.34 | Arrowmaster | on the bootloader screen select expert install, then press tab, it will give you the boot line, add "dmraid=true" to the end of it after the --, no quotes |
| 23:51.36 | tem | lol go figure |
| 23:51.41 | tem | the page doesn't work in chrome |
| 23:51.44 | tem | had to load up IE |
| 23:51.53 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: hm, I'm using expert install already, but what would that boot option do? *googles* |
| 23:52.05 | ScytheBlade1 | why install 7 when there will be proper retail ISOs in two weeks? |
| 23:52.30 | mikma | cause its free now! |
| 23:52.30 | Arrowmaster | if you are using dmraid (so im guessing a fakeraid using onboard raid like an intel ich) you need to create the raid in the bios first |
| 23:52.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably tomorrow, actually, but I wouldn't trust them |
| 23:53.18 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: dmraid=true makes the dmraid stuff load up in the installer so it will recognize fakeraids |
| 23:53.58 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: hm... It can already set up raids and recognizes the md-devices I set up with it - sounds like that is enabled by default? |
| 23:54.08 | Arrowmaster | md is not the same as dm |
| 23:54.22 | Arrowmaster | what exactly are you trying to use? |
| 23:54.29 | Gnarfoz | good question. :P |
| 23:54.50 | Arrowmaster | dmraid is fakeraid, md is softwareraid afaik |
| 23:55.11 | Gnarfoz | I'm going to have to google to find out where the difference in that is, right? |
| 23:55.17 | ScytheBlade1 | not quite, dm is just an overly simple device mapper |
| 23:55.19 | ScytheBlade1 | md is proper raid |
| 23:55.25 | tem | ScytheBlade1, becuase I want to try it now |
| 23:55.35 | Arrowmaster | right, but dm is used for fakeraids |
| 23:55.36 | Gnarfoz | got 2 HDDs, they should just be mirrors of each other. want: 1 boot partition (doesn't necessarily have to be encrypted), 1 swap, 1 root |
| 23:55.36 | tem | and I don't want to fiddle with the illegal bits if I don't have to |
| 23:55.38 | ScytheBlade1 | tem: well as long as you're cool with a forced format eventually! |
| 23:55.46 | tem | it's my laptop |
| 23:55.54 | tem | that doesn't bother me in the least |
| 23:56.05 | tem | I'm just dinking around with the OS |
| 23:56.16 | tem | I'll probably reinstall ubuntu soon enough |
| 23:56.20 | Wobin | http://notalwaysright.com/vampires-drink-blood-but-its-the-fans-that-bite/2266 |
| 23:56.28 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: theres a multidisk package in the debian installer that wasnt loaded by default for me, that might be the md stuff |
| 23:56.30 | Wobin | this is why I fear for Twilight |
| 23:56.48 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: it seems that loads by default now, that sounds exactly like what it is able to do for me |
| 23:57.19 | Arrowmaster | i did this just last week using a netinst cd and it did not load by default |
| 23:57.23 | Gnarfoz | hm |
| 23:57.29 | Gnarfoz | I wonder what that boot option would add, then |
| 23:57.30 | Arrowmaster | dont know about full cds |
| 23:57.37 | Arrowmaster | wasnt a boot option |
| 23:57.39 | Gnarfoz | it's a 5.0.2 amd64 netinst from right now |
| 23:57.44 | Gnarfoz | (so probably the same you had) |
| 23:57.45 | tem | fucking gross |
| 23:57.54 | tem | they're making me use a download manager |
| 23:57.56 | Gnarfoz | Arrowmaster: not a boot option? *scrolls up* |
| 23:57.56 | Arrowmaster | it was under load additional packages or something |
| 23:57.59 | tem | via activex control |
| 23:57.59 | Gnarfoz | ah |
| 23:58.39 | Arrowmaster | Gnarfoz: dmraid was a boot option, the multidisk which i think is md was a package that needed loaded, although the dmraid stuff is a package too and i know how to load it manually without the boot option too now |
| 23:58.43 | Gnarfoz | heh too bad, I already loaded some additional packages and I don't remember which anymore |
| 23:58.55 | Arrowmaster | you can go back i think |
| 23:58.56 | Gnarfoz | guess I'll restart the installer once more |
| 23:59.03 | Gnarfoz | yeah, but it doesn't list stuff I already loaded |
| 23:59.28 | Gnarfoz | also still love how it constantly tries to write to the cd |
