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| 00:11.59 | Aqua | sorry about all the connects / disconnects, finishing up my pc reload |
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| 00:17.29 | bleeter | Aqua: from my observation on IRC, one's only meant to apologise for reconnecting once an op's threatened to ban you :P |
| 00:21.12 | Aqua | premptive apologies |
| 00:21.22 | Shirik | Aqua: I'm gonna ban you |
| 00:21.25 | Shirik | bleeter: Better? |
| 00:21.35 | Aqua | see, all better! |
| 00:22.40 | Industrial | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHA71B_wbXY |
| 00:22.45 | Industrial | awesome text on this one |
| 00:24.43 | bleeter | Shirik: not really, you should not stay opped 24/7 and go op halfway through the reconnect, let the person ahve a chance to guess why you opped... then yell at them... wait for the apology.. then make some sarcastic remark then deop |
| 00:25.02 | Shirik | lol |
| 00:25.20 | bleeter | it's kind of like.. if one's threatening someone 24/7 it ends up not being that threatening |
| 00:25.24 | Shirik | I wonder if Shiibot was picking up Aqua |
| 00:25.28 | bleeter | get used to it, etc. |
| 00:26.47 | foxlit | winces |
| 00:26.54 | foxlit | hi2u, 1kb/s downstream |
| 00:27.13 | Shirik | bleh, Aqua only got to 20 points |
| 00:27.13 | Shirik | probably because they were spaced out like a minute apart |
| 00:27.19 | Aqua | yea |
| 00:27.24 | Aqua | i wasn't trying to push my luck |
| 00:28.40 | Aqua | there is another network i'm on that you get a 60 minute ban for too many connection attempts, if you don't throttle them |
| 00:29.02 | foxlit | Meh. Be more like me: all the joys of disconnecting, with none of the network spam. |
| 00:29.34 | bleeter | hah :P |
| 00:29.39 | Aqua | fair enough |
| 00:29.54 | foxlit | seriously, this adsl packet loss is a killer :( |
| 00:30.13 | Aqua | foxlit: sorry man, i don't miss my dsl connection at all |
| 00:30.28 | Industrial | guess I'll leave this here http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2954/albafingersuck.gif |
| 00:30.34 | foxlit | "29 packets transmitted, 26 packets received, 10% packet loss" |
| 00:30.41 | Aqua | ouch.... |
| 00:31.05 | Aqua | whats your average ms |
| 00:31.23 | Aqua | its skewed a little with the packet loss but |
| 00:31.24 | foxlit | effectively, anything larger than a few bytes ends up choking. |
| 00:31.30 | foxlit | 143 to google. |
| 00:31.36 | bleeter | Cairenn: just a bit of a heads up, I hear on the grapevine the next few versions of Pidgin (not bugfix versions) may be a bit bumpy on Win32. The debate's going on as to what to do with native windows UI as well as audio/video. May result in some bumpiness, so don't necessarily rush to upgrade straight away, maybe pay closer attention to changes than usual. |
| 00:31.49 | bleeter | Cairenn: ie, 2.6.0, 2.7.0 etc. |
| 00:31.52 | Cairenn | nod |
| 00:31.54 | Cairenn | thanks |
| 00:32.31 | bleeter | to the more technically minded, bit of an argument going on as to whether to move to glib 2.14 dependencies |
| 00:32.58 | Aqua | foxlit: i have a friend who has wireless internet, his ping to google averages 500 ms+ |
| 00:33.17 | Aqua | nm he didn't get that |
| 00:34.47 | Aqua | freakin windows search.... blah |
| 00:35.14 | Aqua | microsoft's attempt at "spotlight" gone terribly wrong |
| 00:37.08 | airtonix | [insert comment] |
| 00:37.22 | Aqua | cute |
| 00:37.22 | airtonix | rage/nomnom |
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| 01:07.14 | Greywolf65 | howdy |
| 01:08.18 | Greywolf65 | did I write this in the wrong style? the lua compiler won't accept it: if ( (A and B) or (C and D) ) then |
| 01:11.02 | Shirik | looks fine |
| 01:11.08 | Torhal | What's the error? |
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| 01:15.27 | ZorbaTHut | the parenthesis are unnecessary, but harmless |
| 01:16.46 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: was it you who said those who insist on achievements/stats are the ones who wants others to get them what they seek "items/achi etc" ? |
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| 01:22.44 | ZorbaTHut | msou, it's something I often say, yes. It's not 100% reliable, but it's very, very common |
| 01:23.50 | Cruciformer | anyone have any idea when 3.2 is due out? |
| 01:23.53 | msoul | hehe |
| 01:24.08 | sacarasc | May 18th 2012. |
| 01:24.18 | Cruciformer | approximately, so I know how hard to push my lazy guild to finish ulduar |
| 01:24.33 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: my friend left naxx10 an hour ago cause of that, he said "the dude who insisted on achi and stats etc had green stuff all over his face |
| 01:25.01 | ZorbaTHut | yup, that happens :) |
| 01:25.03 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.time.com/time/cartoonsoftheweek/0,29489,1898887,00.html |
| 01:25.20 | ZorbaTHut | the higher someone's requirements are relative to the content, the better chance the raid leader doesn't have 'em |
| 01:25.38 | msoul | i am tanking now did os25 none complained about me "OT" except the leader "no loot for you" he made me laugh |
| 01:25.54 | msoul | s/i am/did tank |
| 01:26.04 | msoul | 4:25 am here :/ |
| 01:26.36 | msoul | ZorbaTHut: i stopped doing naxx with random... the guild i left had trouble too some of them left 3 and created new one and i joined them |
| 01:26.40 | msoul | the mature ones |
| 01:26.50 | msoul | so far we're 8 80s i think |
| 01:27.23 | msoul | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kazzak&n=Aammaa |
| 01:27.36 | msoul | my tanking gear, 28k hp though dunno why it shows 26 |
| 01:28.02 | Greywolf65 | oh sorry torhal I fixed it (sort of, just decided to write it differently) |
| 01:28.16 | msoul | just need to make sure about dks rotation though |
| 01:29.14 | msoul | noticed tanking is so much fun |
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| 01:37.18 | Greywolf65 | man now I have a real problem... does anyone know the correct methodology to save table data in savedvariablesperchar? this is what's going wrong http://wowuidev.pastey.net/117432 |
| 01:38.20 | Arrowmaster | you have to wait until ADDON_LOADED for your addon is fired before your saved vars are loaded |
| 01:38.41 | Greywolf65 | but "power" is working |
| 01:39.03 | Arrowmaster | no, its not |
| 01:39.04 | Greywolf65 | its just when it gets to the table data |
| 01:39.06 | Arrowmaster | its just not erroring |
| 01:39.56 | Greywolf65 | It's working fine because in my prev version I didn't have the table, just separate variables for power, divineplea, felarmor, and the menu was fully functional |
| 01:39.58 | Arrowmaster | your menu.lua is being loaded after main.lua right? |
| 01:40.13 | Greywolf65 | IDK lol |
| 01:40.30 | Arrowmaster | are both listed in the .toc? |
| 01:40.33 | Greywolf65 | yea |
| 01:40.37 | Arrowmaster | which is first |
| 01:40.49 | Greywolf65 | main |
| 01:40.54 | Greywolf65 | should i try switching it? |
| 01:41.15 | Greywolf65 | errr wait that wouldn't make any sense :) |
| 01:41.22 | Arrowmaster | that should be correct |
| 01:41.39 | Arrowmaster | i cant say much else without seeing all of your files |
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| 01:43.27 | Greywolf65 | hrm well let me post my menu.lua and the first part of my main |
| 01:46.07 | Greywolf65 | here... just don't make fun of how primitive the menu is at this point lol http://wowuidev.pastey.net/117433 |
| 01:48.26 | msoul | Signet of the Accord or Keystone Great-Ring |
| 01:50.06 | Arrowmaster | i dont really see why it would be erroring either |
| 01:51.27 | airtonix | how to make this macro cast on myself when i have no mouseover target ? /cast [target=mouseover][] Rejuvenation |
| 01:51.30 | Greywolf65 | you think I should try and make a 2nd saved variable and put the table data in that? |
| 01:52.47 | Greywolf65 | i.e. have Settings2 = {["Divine Plea"] = false <next line> ["Fel Armor"] = false} |
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| 01:56.26 | alestane | Okay, it has been a very long time since I've done complex algebra. I have an equation, 8xxx/3r - 25xx/r + 32x - 400 = 0. I need to find the value of r that yields the lowest possible value of x. |
| 01:58.03 | Greywolf65 | by 8xxx you mean 8x^3? |
| 01:58.18 | alestane | Yes, I thought it might be easier to parse in IRC. |
| 01:58.26 | Arrowmaster | its not |
| 01:59.14 | Greywolf65 | let me think on that, been a few years since I've done any calculus |
| 02:00.15 | Arrowmaster | if i had any AAA batteries i would tell you the answer |
| 02:00.24 | Arrowmaster | but my graphing calculator is dead |
| 02:00.36 | alestane | It seems like it should be possible to solve it so that x is a function of r. |
| 02:01.54 | alestane | At which point it should be possible to solve it for the minimum output. |
| 02:02.16 | Corrodias | i can solve it for 'r'... |
| 02:02.22 | Corrodias | now if i could, like... graph it or something |
| 02:03.04 | alestane | That's the other thing I can't really remember, how to solve for the minimum. |
| 02:05.02 | Corrodias | i don't remember how to use this silly calculator |
| 02:05.19 | Cruciformer | i have a graphic calc too and no clue how to use it :) |
| 02:05.36 | Cruciformer | i got it coz i wanted an rpn calc |
| 02:07.13 | alestane | The page I found listed a syntax in Mathematica, and then about 6 pages of explanations for how to dervie a cubic formula which I haven't been able to follow for years. |
| 02:07.15 | Iriel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubic_function |
| 02:09.10 | Arrowmaster | cool i somehow broke windows calc |
| 02:09.29 | Corrodias | okay, okay, here we go |
| 02:09.35 | Corrodias | i think i've got it graphinc r(x) |
| 02:09.54 | Arrowmaster | no nevermind my computer is just broke |
| 02:10.23 | Corrodias | wait, i should be graphing x(r) |
| 02:10.29 | Corrodias | god damnit |
| 02:11.58 | alestane | Okay, that page looks more useful, wikipedia for the win. |
| 02:12.38 | Greywolf65 | alestane I think implicit differentiation is the key... but I'm not certain |
| 02:12.49 | Greywolf65 | I took advanced calc but it was 5 years back |
| 02:13.23 | Greywolf65 | I don't see an easy way to isolate a variable to one side of the equation to differentiate normally |
| 02:13.41 | Corrodias | i can get 'r' on one side, but i can't make this stupid thing put 'x' on one side |
| 02:14.45 | alestane | The sad thing is, I'm trying to solve a Starcraft problem, and I strongly suspect someone's done it already. |
| 02:15.19 | Thunder_Child | fail? |
| 02:15.38 | alestane | I remember using algebra to determine the number of talent points required to make a particular spell more CT efficient, but that was a vastly easier problem. |
| 02:15.40 | Corrodias | r = ( -(x^2) * ( 8x - 75) ) / 48 * ( 2x - 25 ) |
| 02:16.33 | Greywolf65 | how'd you get that lol |
| 02:16.39 | Corrodias | just this calculator's solve() function |
| 02:16.48 | Greywolf65 | cheet |
| 02:17.00 | Corrodias | but it refuses to express x as a function of r, so i'm out of ideas |
| 02:17.01 | Arrowmaster | im doing it by hand and im only to 8x^3 - 75x^2 = -96xr + 1200r |
| 02:17.32 | Arrowmaster | and now my alt-tab is broken |
| 02:20.09 | alestane | And now that I reflect, I've been solving the problem the wrong way. |
| 02:21.49 | Corrodias | if this graph is any indication, there is no minimum to x... |
| 02:22.38 | alestane | That's okay, because I have to completely rephrase the problem, I was modeling it the wrong way. |
| 02:22.57 | Corrodias | you jerk! |
| 02:23.48 | Corrodias | well anyway... this is almost a plain hyperbolic graph |
| 02:25.54 | Shirik | has anyone been having a bug recently on Yogg? |
| 02:26.01 | Shirik | Where you try to go in portal and it just keeps kicking you out |
| 02:26.06 | Shirik | then you get MCed at the end? |
| 02:26.18 | ZorbaTHut | hey I solved it for x |
| 02:26.19 | ZorbaTHut | http://tinyurl.com/m3nunc |
| 02:28.05 | Shirik | tem! |
| 02:28.07 | Shirik | You would know! |
| 02:29.56 | ScytheBlade1 | rofl @ ZorbaTHut's solution |
| 02:30.30 | Thunder_Child | office 2010 beta 1 seems to be out in the wild |
| 02:30.33 | Arrowmaster | i think my computer knows i just ordered a replacement, everything just went to hell |
| 02:30.42 | ScytheBlade1 | same with the win7 rtm |
| 02:31.02 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, assuming that actually is the rtm |
| 02:31.18 | Arrowmaster | cant alt tab, calc.exe broken, firefox taking 100% cpu and stuck loading about:blank |
| 02:31.20 | ScytheBlade1 | Thunder_Child: chances are good |
| 02:31.42 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, microsoft denied it, though i dont know if they would do it just for spite |
| 02:31.59 | Lukian | hands Arrowmaster some Linux |
| 02:32.01 | ScytheBlade1 | We'll see come tomorrow |
| 02:34.11 | Thunder_Child | when is win 7 rc supposed to die again? |
| 02:34.18 | ScytheBlade1 | many months |
| 02:35.31 | Lukian | may next year? |
| 02:36.11 | Shirik | june I believe |
| 02:36.31 | Shirik | okso |
| 02:36.34 | Shirik | what was the question? |
| 02:36.42 | Shirik | solve for x? |
| 02:37.09 | Shirik | r = ( -(x^2) * ( 8x - 75) ) / 48 * ( 2x - 25 ) ? |
| 02:37.15 | Thunder_Child | solve for z ye daft bastard |
| 02:37.36 | Shirik | that's a quadratic equation |
| 02:37.42 | Shirik | actually no it's not |
| 02:37.50 | Shirik | it's a third order equation |
| 02:38.02 | Shirik | you aren't going to have an easy solution :) |
| 02:38.11 | Thunder_Child | did you not see wolframs answer? |
| 02:38.34 | Shirik | I don't believe in automated tools |
| 02:38.40 | Thunder_Child | yes you do |
| 02:38.44 | Shirik | The TI-89 and MAPLE give very strange results like that often too |
| 02:39.53 | Corrodias | i got that out of what he gave me with a ti-92+ (basically an 89 with a keyboard)... but it refused to solve for x, so i can't help |
| 02:39.58 | Corrodias | but he said he phrased the question wrong, anyway |
| 02:40.44 | Greywolf65 | I did implicit differentiation dr/dx, and set it up so that R = (some equation with X's), and found that R is lowest when X = -2.25 |
| 02:41.10 | Greywolf65 | but its been about 5 years so no idea if that's really even what you needed |
| 02:41.19 | Shirik | why would you do that :/ |
| 02:41.27 | Shirik | are you really trying to solve for x or not? |
| 02:41.46 | Greywolf65 | IDK |
| 02:42.13 | Corrodias | alestane is the one with the question. and hasn't said anything about it in a while. |
| 02:42.21 | Greywolf65 | I initially wanted to solve X for 0 once I took the derivate to see where the graph changes directions |
| 02:42.44 | Greywolf65 | but I found that zero wasn't even possible lol |
| 02:43.02 | Greywolf65 | glad i switched my major to CS |
| 02:44.54 | bleeter | http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/13/2624110.htm |
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| 02:46.00 | Shirik | You want to find where X is 0? |
| 02:46.08 | Shirik | That's a hell of a lot easier tbh |
| 02:46.17 | Shirik | than solving for X generically |
| 02:46.48 | Greywolf65 | well solve where the derivative of X is 0 |
| 02:47.05 | Shirik | uh, that's not the same |
| 02:47.05 | Shirik | no |
| 02:47.10 | Greywolf65 | or should I be taking the derivative of R |
| 02:47.12 | Shirik | that would tell you minima and maxima |
| 02:47.17 | Shirik | neither |
| 02:47.27 | Greywolf65 | Yes and he wants the minimum value of X |
| 02:47.29 | alestane | Well, now I have to drive home. I think I'veidentified the probalem I *actually* need to solve, let you know if I'm still stuck. |
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| 02:47.41 | Shirik | the derivative is 0 at the point where the slope is 0, and that's only at max and min |
| 02:48.08 | Greywolf65 | yeah |
| 02:48.22 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: ping |
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| 02:49.52 | bleeter | http://hackaday.com/2008/09/16/how-to-thermite-based-hard-drive-anti-forensic-destruction/ |
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| 02:51.06 | Thunder_Child | did you want it graphed? |
| 03:10.37 | Greywolf65 | I haven't asked in awhile... has anyone else had problems with setting up a table inside one of your savedvariablespercharacter? |
| 03:11.12 | Greywolf65 | My savedvariable was working correctly, until I tried to add a table. Now when I try to access the table I get "error: attempt to index nil value" |
| 03:22.43 | Dagmar | Hmm... Not sure AuctioneerDB.com is working properly |
| 03:29.25 | Thunder_Child | x = 25/2 |
| 03:29.52 | Thunder_Child | Shirik ^^ |
| 03:34.14 | Thunder_Child | though if i pkug that in then r = 0 |
| 03:34.21 | Thunder_Child | plug* |
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| 04:47.53 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* it's getting harder and harder to figure out video cards |
| 04:49.10 | Arrowmaster | i just ordered a 275gtx |
| 04:49.57 | Thunder_Child | tell me something, how important is the memory clock? |
| 04:50.37 | Thunder_Child | because if you look @ http://tinyurl.com/lk3g9c the radeon is better in every way but the memory clock |
| 04:50.52 | Thunder_Child | but it gets it's ass handed to it in comparisons |
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| 04:51.27 | Arrowmaster | not sure, i know the memory is useless in sli/crossfire though |
| 04:51.36 | Greywolf65 | hey, can anyone here help me with my table problem? been working at it for several hours now |
| 04:51.54 | Thunder_Child | it's just rather iritating |
| 04:52.08 | Thunder_Child | and the research is making my head hurt |
| 04:52.33 | Arrowmaster | i wasnt even looking at radeons though since i want to be able to use linux |
| 04:52.43 | Greywolf65 | I have a table setup in my saved variables, and I keep getting "error: attempt to index field 'spells' (a nil value)" |
| 04:53.16 | airtonix | the answer to 42 is : very small rocks |
| 04:56.23 | Thunder_Child | Arrowmaster, the problem to me is that you are spending 1/3 more for not a 1/3 improvement (linux problems aside) |
| 04:57.12 | Arrowmaster | actually i got a $45 discount because of a combo deal with the PSU |
| 04:58.13 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* remind me not to go to au ending websites |
| 04:59.58 | Thunder_Child | eh? "I haven't looked at benchmarks yet but reguarding the Physx ATI has Havok with is owned by intel and upcoming games that will use it are SC2 and diablo 3 fyi" |
| 05:00.19 | Arrowmaster | havok is a software engine.... |
| 05:00.23 | Thunder_Child | i assume SC2 and D3 will use Physix as well? |
| 05:00.24 | Arrowmaster | and extremely old |
| 05:00.30 | Thunder_Child | Physx* |
| 05:00.56 | Arrowmaster | what the hell would sc2 use physx for? tiny animations? |
| 05:01.55 | Thunder_Child | proper explosions? |
| 05:02.14 | Thunder_Child | enviornment interactions? |
| 05:02.18 | ZorbaTHut | special effects only |
| 05:02.44 | Thunder_Child | oh? it doesnt do baisc physics? |
| 05:03.02 | ZorbaTHut | it does, but SC2 won't use physx for that |
| 05:03.08 | Arrowmaster | its an rts, i dont see what physics it would have other than for special effects |
| 05:03.14 | ZorbaTHut | if they did, they'd create huge issues between computers with physx and computers without physx |
| 05:03.43 | ZorbaTHut | arrow, projectile physics, ground debris distribution, the ability to make traps with world geometry, destructible geometry |
| 05:04.38 | Arrowmaster | one of the first multiplayer games to use physx (back when it was only available as a pci card) only allowed those with physx cards to play with each other and those without with each other |
| 05:04.52 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* if it wasnt for the fact that my vid card died i would wait for the GTX 300 line |
| 05:05.06 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I'm pretty sure Blizzard would not be dumb enough to do that ;) |
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| 05:05.29 | Thunder_Child | ZorbaTHut, they got rid of LAN didnt they? |
| 05:05.38 | Thunder_Child | i question the 'dumb' part |
| 05:05.47 | ZorbaTHut | I suspect that was actually a good decision for them |
| 05:05.56 | Thunder_Child | we shall see |
| 05:06.33 | Arrowmaster | in the first sc2 vid it showed a unit getting destroyed and the parts sliding down a ramp, thats what i think of when it comes to possible phsyx uses in sc2 |
| 05:06.58 | Thunder_Child | isnt that also special effects? |
| 05:07.03 | Arrowmaster | yes |
| 05:08.20 | Thunder_Child | i could see it used if, for example, water in a stream bed were to blow your units downstream. it would distributed them properly, though i am not sure that is something that will happen in SC2. |
| 05:08.33 | Thunder_Child | though it might come in handy for the custom maps people will surely make |
| 05:10.21 | Arrowmaster | phsyx is always going to be a purely optional thing until it becomes part of standard hardware, and you cant really make the gameplay largely different for those with and without |
| 05:10.44 | Arrowmaster | currently you need a 2nd gfx card as a decated phsyx card right? |
| 05:10.49 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 05:11.04 | Thunder_Child | the 275 and 285 have it |
| 05:11.17 | Thunder_Child | they are the newest release cards |
| 05:18.34 | Thunder_Child | i am amazed....with name brands like gugabyte and xfx and evga / bfg etc..how the hell does someone think to come into the market with the name sparkle... |
| 05:20.49 | Corrodias | it's a little silly |
| 05:21.00 | Thunder_Child | it's logo is a sun....drawn in crayons or some such |
| 05:21.43 | sacarasc | I want a Sparkle card! |
| 05:21.52 | Thunder_Child | -_- |
| 05:22.00 | Dagmar | Asians are weird. |
| 05:22.03 | Dagmar | That's all I'm gonna say |
| 05:30.41 | ScytheBlade1 | many months |
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| 06:02.29 | Shirik | has chickens |
| 06:02.40 | Thunder_Child | live ones? |
| 06:02.44 | sacarasc | Are you gonna feed them and use them for eggs? |
| 06:02.51 | sacarasc | Or are you a cold blooded murderer! |
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| 06:04.04 | Nechckn | Shirik "Let my people go!!!" |
| 06:04.16 | Thunder_Child | thats not very nice |
| 06:04.17 | Shirik | I'm eating them Nechckn |
| 06:04.20 | Thunder_Child | to the chickens |
| 06:04.25 | Nechckn | You... you.... |
| 06:04.59 | Nechckn | hmph |
| 06:05.33 | Nechckn | cries. |
| 06:10.16 | Wobin | what does the Ne stand for in Nechckn? |
| 06:10.27 | Nechckn | not telling |
| 06:10.36 | Wobin | you're a boomkin, aren't you? =P |
| 06:10.40 | sacarasc | Night Elf. |
| 06:10.55 | Nechckn | Hahahha.. in the Wow sense.. that could be right |
| 06:11.03 | Nechckn | I've had the nick for years, though |
| 06:11.06 | Fisker | slaps Nechckn around a bit with a large trout |
| 06:11.20 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:11.27 | Nechckn | My given and surname start with N and then E, Wobin |
| 06:11.28 | Cairenn | knows |
| 06:11.47 | Nechckn | Yes.. that evil Cairenn know.. because she knows all! |
| 06:11.58 | Wobin | and the chicken tag is just incidental? |
| 06:12.09 | Thunder_Child | aka nosy |
| 06:12.12 | Nechckn | Wobin basically, yes |
| 06:12.25 | Nechckn | I have tons of chicken stuff @ my house |
| 06:12.39 | Nechckn | More cartoon-ish type |
| 06:12.50 | Thunder_Child | actually it stands for Neon Chicken |
| 06:12.53 | Wobin | ugh I hate writing cover letters |
| 06:12.59 | Wobin | "Hire me! You know you want to!" |
| 06:13.20 | Wobin | "Read my CV, it says everything" |
| 06:13.21 | Nechckn | like signs, posters, but then also things like "expensive" French rooster lamps and other goodies |
| 06:13.33 | Nechckn | Wobin I hate that, too |
| 06:13.53 | Wobin | I could rehash the job ad |
| 06:13.59 | Wobin | but that seems silly |
| 06:14.11 | Nechckn | You just need to re-word the ad |
| 06:14.32 | Nechckn | That helps them know you are paying attention to their needs.. or something like that. |
| 06:14.32 | Wobin | who reads cover letters anyway =( |
| 06:14.56 | Nechckn | I'll glance at them, every now and then |
| 06:15.26 | Wobin | I'll throw in random subliminal words |
| 06:15.29 | Nechckn | If there are spelling or other things, it helps to weed out some of the trash |
| 06:15.30 | Wobin | like "chocolate" |
| 06:15.36 | Wobin | and "awesome" |
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| 06:25.48 | Thunder_Child | well thats massive fail. downlading sc from blizz sets the game to patch 1.15.2 yes you cant use the 1.16 patch to upgrade |
| 06:25.55 | Thunder_Child | s/yes/yet/ |
| 06:26.01 | bluspacecow | sc is ? |
| 06:26.05 | Thunder_Child | starcraft |
| 06:26.17 | bluspacecow | oh you rocking de old skoll den ? |
| 06:26.54 | Thunder_Child | i figured i might as well refresh my memory from the storyline as long as i have to use an old vid card while i wait for my new one |
| 06:27.16 | Fisker | search on google Thunder_Child |
| 06:27.19 | Fisker | someone made a patch for it |
| 06:27.46 | Fisker | it's nice how they've completely ignored the issues btw |
| 06:27.46 | Shirik | who the hell is Ted Nugent |
| 06:27.49 | bluspacecow | search for "Thunder_Child" ? |
| 06:28.04 | bluspacecow | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Nugent |
| 06:28.19 | bluspacecow | ~wiki Ted Nugent |
| 06:28.28 | Fisker | your mom is ted nugent |
| 06:28.36 | bluspacecow | yeah she is |
| 06:28.48 | Shirik | ok |
| 06:28.50 | Shirik | bluspacecow |
| 06:28.55 | Shirik | that's not goign to help |
| 06:29.00 | Shirik | check out the history on that page |
| 06:29.04 | Shirik | and note that I am "Mpdelbuono" |
| 06:29.07 | bluspacecow | he's a country western singer |
| 06:29.18 | bluspacecow | who is "Mpdelbuono" ? |
| 06:29.21 | Shirik | I guess yesterday got spammed off the screen |
| 06:29.33 | bluspacecow | i have log files |
| 06:29.38 | Shirik | Yesterday and today I've been reverting edits on that page, and I want to know why it's got so much attention :P |
| 06:29.47 | bluspacecow | ah |
| 06:30.00 | bluspacecow | what kind of edits ? |
| 06:30.12 | Shirik | random crap, like the one I just edited out |
| 06:30.13 | Shirik | again |
| 06:30.37 | Shirik | mostly random crap like "TED NUGEN FOR PRESIDENT!" |
| 06:30.41 | Shirik | and I'm like "who the fuck is this guy" |
| 06:30.55 | bluspacecow | ? |
| 06:31.04 | bluspacecow | hes just a country western singer jeeze |
| 06:31.59 | Shirik | look at the history tab now :P |
| 06:32.09 | Shirik | I've reverted 3 edits in the time that we've had this discussion |
| 06:32.14 | bluspacecow | .... |
| 06:32.34 | bluspacecow | message an admin to lock the page against excess edits then |
| 06:32.39 | Shirik | not yet |
| 06:32.46 | Shirik | He has 3 warnings against him, he gets one more |
| 06:32.52 | Shirik | it's only one user, so they won't lock the page |
| 06:33.46 | bluspacecow | oh dear |
| 06:33.49 | Shirik | besides it takes me all of 2 clicks |
| 06:37.14 | Shirik | "Infant" is another page I've been seeing get a lot of activity |
| 06:37.19 | Shirik | with such submissions as "There is also another disorder that allows them to eat each other, there is no cure for this however so the babies will eat other ones until they are destroyed." |
| 06:37.50 | Shirik | Wikipedia is a great place for entertainment if you're bored |
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| 06:43.47 | Thunder_Child | rather sad when a 10 year old game can crash your computer faster than a newer one |
| 06:44.48 | bluspacecow | bad code is bad |
| 06:48.16 | bluspacecow | ok BBL i got washing to hang |
| 06:48.29 | Fisker | Am i killing you with a knife Thunder_Child ? |
| 06:48.58 | Thunder_Child | Fisker, not sure you can do anything worse to me than the loss of my video card |
| 06:49.06 | Thunder_Child | but keep trying |
| 06:49.07 | Fisker | hoho |
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| 07:21.33 | Shirik | Here Fisker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsrpihrcXD4 |
| 07:21.39 | Shirik | You need some soothing song |
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| 07:28.19 | Fisker | oh nos Shirik |
| 07:29.16 | Shirik | 52 |
| 07:29.19 | Shirik | -10 |
| 07:29.22 | Fisker | ownt |
| 07:29.34 | Fisker | imma downloading windows 7 |
| 07:31.31 | Shirik | get windows 8 |
| 07:31.33 | Shirik | it's better |
| 07:31.33 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, http://shirt.woot.com/ |
| 07:32.09 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:35.08 | Fisker | it's not Shirik |
| 07:35.17 | Shirik | yes it is |
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| 07:40.21 | Fisker | i only need 2 rars Shirik |
| 07:40.29 | Shirik | rarar |
| 07:42.27 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 07:42.47 | Shirik | slaps Fisker around a bit with a small hyphen |
| 07:46.39 | Cairenn | lol |
| 07:47.47 | Fisker | Shirik i need to reboot my computer :( |
| 07:48.03 | Shirik | should have got windows 8 |
| 07:48.14 | Shirik | never have to reboot because computer is always off |
| 07:48.19 | Shirik | very nice |
| 07:49.06 | smoke_ | if i have my librangecheck addon loaded in wow , i can call the api functions from other addons ? or do i need to register the librangecheck addon with the addon calling the functions? |
| 07:49.24 | smoke_ | nm sorry stupid question |
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| 07:53.35 | smoke_ | what event would i use to update a units range? |
| 07:55.23 | smoke_ | PLAYER_TARGET_CHANGED, and? |
| 07:55.50 | Fisker | imma raging my laser |
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| 08:01.45 | Fisker | this is all your fault Shirik |
| 08:02.08 | Shirik | My attack was successful |
| 08:03.01 | Fisker | no |
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| 08:09.01 | batrick | o ya |
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| 08:15.59 | Fisker | oh noes |
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| 08:27.52 | Shirik | oh maybe |
| 08:37.42 | quasar | anyone happen to know of a tutorial/guide/sniplet/addon (without dependancies/etc)/etc that'll give a good idea on how scrolling message frames work? (something similar to the sniplet on wowprogramming for drop down menus would be awesome, but way more than I'm asking for lol) |
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| 08:54.07 | Wobin | http://www.rolcats.com/ |
| 08:59.21 | Wobin | Cairenn: http://www.wackyarchives.com/offbeat/surfer-cat-is-amused.html |
| 08:59.50 | Industrial | lol wow |
| 09:00.01 | Cairenn | too cute! |
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| 09:09.09 | Shirik | that's cruel |
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| 09:12.20 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeYnX9NwB1k |
| 09:12.35 | stolenlegacy | hrm, just spotted Grocktar on my 74 rogue |
| 09:12.42 | stolenlegacy | 74 rare elite giant in grizzly hills |
| 09:12.57 | stolenlegacy | gonna attempt to take him down, just waiting for my cooldowns to get back up |
| 09:13.46 | stolenlegacy | 6 minutes on preperation - need that second evasion |
| 09:13.58 | Fisker | no you don't l2p |
| 09:13.58 | Fisker | :3 |
| 09:14.44 | Fisker | and you could always try and be surprised etc. |
| 09:14.51 | stolenlegacy | i'm trying to take down an elite of the same level - as a rogue |
| 09:14.59 | stolenlegacy | i don't have the OP'ness of a dk, you know? |
| 09:15.31 | Fisker | You have the op'ness of a rogue |
| 09:15.45 | stolenlegacy | yah, stunlock can take him down to 70% :P |
| 09:15.49 | stolenlegacy | the guy's got 40k hp |
| 09:15.55 | Fisker | then you suck |
| 09:17.34 | Fisker | i soloed 40k hp elites in tbc for breakfast |
| 09:18.22 | Elkano | Fisker, I soloed your ma even before breakfast... |
| 09:18.40 | Fisker | likewise |
| 09:19.24 | Fisker | 5 minutes until windows 7 rtm |
| 09:19.34 | stolenlegacy | well, i now inved an 80 for killing him |
| 09:19.37 | stolenlegacy | still got 18k xp :P |
| 09:19.41 | stolenlegacy | rested, ofc |
| 09:19.48 | stolenlegacy | and 18g and 20 frostweave |
| 09:19.51 | stolenlegacy | quite profitable :P |
| 09:19.57 | Fisker | i got 30k unrested for duoing your mom |
| 09:21.10 | stolenlegacy | there's a reason why the place between your mom's tits is called "Silicon Valley", you know? |
| 09:21.52 | stolenlegacy | ~win stolenlegacy |
| 09:21.53 | purl | Congratulations, stolenlegacy! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 09:22.08 | stolenlegacy | thanks, purl |
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| 09:22.35 | Fisker | ~epic fail stolenlegacy |
| 09:22.35 | purl | stolenlegacy, you have failed in such a spectacular way that one thousand years from now people will tell their children stories about a failure so great that it eclipsed every success from that period of time. And you stolenlegacy, you are that epic failure. |
| 09:23.48 | stolenlegacy | purl, what do you know about fisker? |
| 09:24.04 | stolenlegacy | purl is sooo stupid -.- |
| 09:24.08 | stolenlegacy | ~Fisker |
| 09:24.09 | purl | rumour has it, fisker is something very very stupid. |
| 09:24.12 | stolenlegacy | better |
| 09:26.51 | Industrial | ~Industrial |
| 09:26.51 | purl | extra, extra, read all about it, industrial is a coder-monkey |
| 09:27.02 | Industrial | ~emulate Industrial |
| 09:27.03 | purl | Ogm teh tpyoas! Mroe ceffein pls! |
| 09:27.12 | Industrial | heh old :-) |
| 09:27.16 | Industrial | I quit caffeine :P |
| 09:27.24 | Industrial | ~emulate Industrial |
| 09:27.25 | purl | and now I'm high o/ |
| 09:27.31 | Industrial | still true.. |
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| 09:30.17 | Dagmar | Man... pretty soon you're going to go into one of those comas I'll bet |
| 09:30.26 | Dagmar | Caffiene is the only thing that keeps 'em away |
| 09:31.57 | Wobin | Cairenn|afk: http://www.digyourowngrave.com/piglet-ears-react-to-sound/ |
| 09:32.04 | haste | ~emulate haste |
| 09:32.05 | purl | You're doing it wrong! |
| 09:35.06 | Wobin | also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r577ytYTZM |
| 09:35.12 | Wobin | omg, it looks like an animatronic puppet |
| 09:37.57 | Dagmar | You should check CuteOverload more regularly |
| 09:38.02 | Dagmar | All these sorts of things hit there |
| 09:39.00 | Dagmar | ...and we wonder where asians get the idea for these cutesy cartoon animals. |
| 09:42.36 | Dagmar | They cheat. Their small woodland creatures are merely selecting for cuteness better. http://www.pbase.com/merigan/image/109945153 |
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| 09:56.29 | Wobin | Dagmar: http://www.cutethingsfallingasleep.org/ |
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| 10:10.06 | Fisker- | >:4 |
| 10:10.08 | Fisker- | :( |
| 10:10.09 | Fisker- | >:3 |
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| 10:10.09 | Shiibot | Channel locked temporarily. Elapsed time: 10859 minutes |
| 10:10.18 | Fisker- | lols Shiibot |
| 10:10.22 | Fisker- | WindowsVista Uptime: 11mins 6secs Best: 11mins 6secs |
| 10:10.26 | Fisker- | moo: os: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate - (6.1.7600) |
| 10:10.28 | Fisker- | >:3 |
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| 10:10.41 | Fisker | You've failed Shirik|zZz |
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| 10:35.26 | Caellian | Hi ppl, i'm having a problem with my nameplates addon, the castbar, is there anyone who have a moment to take a look for me ? |
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| 10:37.03 | mikma | explain the problem, and paste us the code in pastey.net |
| 10:37.12 | mikma | cant help you before that moment |
| 10:37.45 | Caellian | http://caellian.pastey.net/117444 |
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| 10:39.15 | Caellian | at first i didn't bother with the castbar but since ppl ask for it i though, apply the same settings to it. unfortunately, there's a bug, if the unit is casting while in my screen it's fine, but if i'm moving around, loosing sight of the unit than have it back on my screen, its castbar will reanchor to any closest nameplate, not its own. |
| 10:39.19 | Caellian | can't find out why |
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| 11:11.37 | Aelobin | any chance someone could help me in understanding dual wield? |
| 11:11.49 | Aelobin | am i right in thinking your OH does 50% less damage |
| 11:12.19 | stolenlegacy | yes, but it can be improved by talents |
| 11:12.25 | Aelobin | ok |
| 11:12.37 | stolenlegacy | your base hit chance with "white" melee attacks (autoattacks) is also reduced |
| 11:12.38 | Aelobin | which hand would you put yoru faster weapon in? |
| 11:12.46 | Aelobin | or is the decision based on dps instead |
| 11:12.53 | stolenlegacy | the decision is based on what class you play |
| 11:13.06 | Aelobin | death knight, considering DW next patch |
| 11:13.17 | stolenlegacy | phew, dunno how the talents will look |
| 11:13.32 | stolenlegacy | anyone knows how strikes will work with dualwield? |
| 11:13.43 | Aelobin | there's not many talents for it, but the main one is that when you do a special attack with MH you do it with OH too |
| 11:14.09 | stolenlegacy | k |
| 11:14.17 | stolenlegacy | do you know if strikes are normalized? |
| 11:14.28 | Aelobin | nope :/ |
| 11:15.48 | Aelobin | "When dual-wielding, your Death Strikes, Obliterates, Plague Strikes, Blood Strikes and Frost Strikes have a 100% chance to also deal damage with your off-hand weapon." |
| 11:16.35 | Aelobin | and the dilemna i have is, i have a 1h mace which has "chance on hit: increases 132 haste for 10 secs", and a 1h sword which has higher dps |
| 11:16.41 | Aelobin | can't decide which way round to hold them |
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| 11:20.29 | stolenlegacy | all autoattacks are with both hands? |
| 11:20.37 | stolenlegacy | then put the higher dps one in your mh |
| 11:23.30 | Aelobin | would that effect the procc rate of the other weapon though? |
| 11:23.44 | Aelobin | i think all chance on hits are ppm aren't they? |
| 11:26.39 | stolenlegacy | yep, they are |
| 11:26.54 | stolenlegacy | at least most are |
| 11:27.21 | stolenlegacy | since you get the same amount of hits with both hands, use the more dps in your mh |
| 11:27.29 | stolenlegacy | if strikes are normalized |
| 11:27.50 | stolenlegacy | if they aren't i would opt to put the slower weap in the MH if it the dps difference isn't too large |
| 11:29.06 | Aelobin | 69.7dps on the chance-on-hit, 84.4dps on the other |
| 11:29.14 | Aelobin | what do you mean by "normalized" ? |
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| 11:29.41 | stolenlegacy | http://www.wowwiki.com/Normalization |
| 11:29.46 | Aelobin | aha :) |
| 11:31.11 | stolenlegacy | it means that the damage a special attack does is not dependent on the damage range, but on the dps |
| 11:31.39 | stolenlegacy | f.e., an ehn shaman's stormstrike is not normalized |
| 11:31.50 | stolenlegacy | thus, enh shamans prefer two slow weapons due to the higher weapon range |
| 11:31.58 | stolenlegacy | s/weapon range/damage range/ |
| 11:32.37 | Aelobin | ah i understand |
| 11:32.43 | stolenlegacy | btw, rogues are overpowered imo |
| 11:32.57 | stolenlegacy | i just killed an 80 frost mage on my 73 rogue :/ |
| 11:33.15 | stolenlegacy | granted, he didn't see me coming |
| 11:33.24 | stolenlegacy | before he got sapped, that i |
| 11:33.31 | stolenlegacy | s/ i/ is/ |
| 11:34.57 | Aelobin | reason im looking into it so deeply is i've got a couple choices of 1h weapons, and so i wanna make sure i get the right one before throwing berserking on both :P |
| 11:36.30 | stolenlegacy | :) |
| 11:36.35 | Aelobin | reckon enchanting mats may drop slightly in price due to the mass-prospecting for epic gems, and then possibly disenchanting greens they get |
| 11:37.08 | Aelobin | although with new gear coming out, the demand will be higher =/ |
| 11:37.15 | stolenlegacy | yah, and the incredible supply increase of abyss shards |
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| 11:37.35 | stolenlegacy | since the new 5-man will drop 5 or something epics a run on normal (!) |
| 11:37.53 | Aelobin | hmm ok, so probably best to wait until next patch for the enchants <_> |
| 11:38.09 | stolenlegacy | that's for sure |
| 11:40.04 | Aelobin | dammit :( im an impatient person lol |
| 11:41.03 | stolenlegacy | @project professionbars |
| 11:41.04 | Repo | stolenlegacy: http://www.wowace.com/addons/professionbars/. ProfessionBars. Game: WoW. stolenlegacy (Manager/Author), Belazor (Author), brollygerman (Tester), wobin (Tester). Updated: 37 minutes ago |
| 11:47.25 | Aelobin | i love that "addon" that lets you change the login screen animation :> stupid dragon making loads of noise lol |
| 11:47.48 | nevcairiel | you're too slow with logging in then |
| 11:48.12 | Aelobin | well if i leave it logged in whilst doing something else, sometimes itll log me out and then it gets annoying :p |
| 11:48.32 | stolenlegacy | i can type my pw within 2 seconds :P |
| 11:48.37 | stolenlegacy | that is before the dragon lands |
| 11:48.39 | stolenlegacy | ^^ |
| 11:48.59 | Aelobin | lol |
| 11:58.33 | Aelobin | 2.1k for 2 berserkers on my realm atm :P |
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| 12:09.44 | Aelobin | stolenlegacy: "Off-hand strikes are roughly one half the effect of the original strike." |
| 12:09.50 | Aelobin | does that show if it's normalized? :P |
| 12:09.57 | stolenlegacy | nope |
| 12:10.08 | stolenlegacy | probably just means that the 50% penalty applies |
| 12:10.17 | stolenlegacy | that's just a guess, though |
| 12:10.35 | Aelobin | hehe :) |
| 12:10.38 | stolenlegacy | i'm assuming that it works like a normalized stormstrike here |
| 12:10.50 | Aelobin | what's that mean? |
| 12:11.54 | stolenlegacy | stormstrike strikes with both weapons |
| 12:12.01 | stolenlegacy | non-normalized damage |
| 12:12.33 | stolenlegacy | with the offhand penalty applying as normal (with 2 of the same weapon, the second strike (offhand) is roughly half the damage of the first (mainhand) one) |
| 12:14.57 | Aelobin | hmm ok |
| 12:15.20 | Aelobin | so if that were the case for a DK, wouldnt that mean we should use 2 slow weapons? |
| 12:15.28 | Aelobin | oh wait nvm |
| 12:15.33 | Aelobin | you said OH is normalized |
| 12:16.12 | Aelobin | or you didnt - lolconfused |
| 12:16.12 | Wobin | it always takes ages for the login prompt to appear =( |
| 12:21.41 | nuoHep | all dk strikes are normalized. afaik the only unnormalized melee instant left in the game is Stormstrike. and this 'dw' dk talent is still borked on ptr as in it uses mh weapon for added oh calculation. |
| 12:31.10 | stolenlegacy | nuoHep: lava lash |
| 12:36.33 | nuoHep | ah. yeah. always forget it actually exists in the game :p |
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| 12:38.23 | stolenlegacy | ^^ |
| 12:40.13 | stolenlegacy | anyone knows when belazor is usually online? |
| 12:40.20 | stolenlegacy | ~stats belazor |
| 12:41.34 | Lopeppeppy | ~seen belazor |
| 12:41.36 | purl | belazor <n=Vulcanus@cm-84.211.9.187.getinternet.no> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 15h 47m 1s ago, saying: 'stolenl|away: pong :p'. |
| 12:47.16 | Lopeppeppy | So you're more likely to find him in wowace, perhaps. |
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| 13:24.53 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm03136FTI4&feature=player_embedded |
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| 14:01.01 | Kraps | does free realms have an end-game? |
| 14:03.04 | nicoli_s | you cook harder? |
| 14:03.12 | Kraps | :) |
| 14:03.27 | Kraps | no boss fights or such? |
| 14:05.16 | nicoli_s | i got no clue |
| 14:05.38 | nicoli_s | i saw someone do the first quest and it was so kiddy there was no way i was gonna try it |
| 14:06.41 | Kraps | i agree that its kiddy, but its better than runescape :p |
| 14:07.26 | Kraps | seriously, i dont get runescape |
| 14:07.39 | nicoli_s | lol, i hear that 150% |
| 14:07.46 | nicoli_s | im bout to have to work on a runescape site :S |
| 14:09.46 | Kraps | whats that? |
| 14:09.53 | *** join/#wowuidev Elkano (n=elkano@WoWUIDev/WoWAce/Elkano) |
| 14:11.09 | nicoli_s | a database site |
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| 14:14.53 | nicoli_s | its not my idea, but i gotta do what i gotta do |
| 14:25.44 | Cruciformer | jnwhiteh: ping ... sorry I was asleep earlier :) |
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| 14:27.11 | Wobin | woo steam released Loom for $5 |
| 14:27.56 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 14:27.56 | kneeki | And what's loom? |
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| 14:28.49 | kneeki | lol wtf, is this 'wanted' ? =p |
| 14:28.50 | Kraps | kneeki: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=loom+game |
| 14:32.53 | Kraps | did you guys see the Evony ads? |
| 14:34.09 | Kraps | i mean, what if someone is looking for a pron site and he gets an online game? false advertising! |
| 14:34.25 | Cruciformer | dang I figured out why I cant edit function signatures on wowprogramming.com. Its a Chrome 3 issue. works with firefox. doh. |
| 14:34.55 | Lopeppeppy | You hadn't already tried multiple browsers? *laugh* |
| 14:35.17 | Cruciformer | Lopeppeppy: I thought I had. I was incorrect :) |
| 14:35.36 | Cruciformer | oh and hi everyone :) |
| 14:35.37 | Wobin | hm |
| 14:35.49 | Wobin | anyone sell the inscriptionist offhand that turns you into a wolf? |
| 14:38.24 | Kraps | it suck that you have to pay for pets in free realms |
| 14:39.04 | Wobin | ...why? |
| 14:39.25 | Kraps | cuz i wants it! |
| 14:40.31 | Wobin | "If you want to whisper to Mike type '/mike Hey Dude' and Mike will see 'Hey Dude'" |
| 14:40.35 | Wobin | wow =P |
| 14:41.08 | Kraps | Wobin: NO WAI |
| 14:41.28 | Kraps | wheres that from? |
| 14:41.36 | vithos | That is a pro tip right there. |
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| 14:42.23 | nicoli_s | Kraps, have you seen that post with the evolution of the evony ads? |
| 14:42.49 | Kraps | nicoli_s: yeah but i cant find it again |
| 14:42.56 | Wobin | http://www.evony.com/Dhtml/images/new/town01.jpg |
| 14:43.33 | Kraps | pro tip indeed |
| 14:44.05 | Shirik|zZz | Fisker |
| 14:44.07 | Shirik|zZz | what did you do |
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| 14:44.15 | Kraps | i thought it was a 1st-person deal like wow |
| 14:44.22 | Shirik | Fisker tripped Shiibot last night... |
| 14:44.30 | Lopeppeppy | really? |
| 14:44.51 | nicoli_s | kraps, whats even better is the post on the forum where they asked the women who played the game to post up pics of themselves |
| 14:45.06 | Kraps | ... |
| 14:45.07 | nicoli_s | http://bbs.evony.com/showthread.php?t=11313 |
| 14:45.09 | nicoli_s | bask in it |
| 14:45.17 | Shirik | http://wowi.pastey.net/117450 |
| 14:46.09 | Kraps | nicoli_s: thats just sick |
| 14:46.23 | Fisker | i told you you were owned Shirik |
| 14:46.43 | Shirik | you should not come in with "hey let's see how many smilies I can make right after joining"! |
| 14:47.15 | Fisker | oh shit nicoli_s |
| 14:47.17 | nicoli_s | come on kraps yo uknow you like it, youd like a copy of the pinup calendar amiright? |
| 14:47.28 | Shirik | !reload |
| 14:47.28 | Shiibot | AI routines & configuration reloaded |
| 14:48.17 | Kraps | nicoli_s: no question i would like it, but the premise is just wrong |
| 14:48.57 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 14:49.05 | Fisker | a shame most of them are attachements nicoli_s |
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| 14:50.55 | Fisker | this shit can't be real nicoli_s :( |
| 14:51.13 | Kraps | post 18 know what she was doing |
| 14:51.18 | Kraps | knew |
| 14:51.30 | nicoli_s | its totally real |
| 14:51.49 | Cruciformer | can anyone give me an example API on wowprogramming that references another API in its description? I wanna see the format jnwhiteh uses for referincing other API's. |
| 14:52.01 | nicoli_s | i mean just look at the ads, these are the kinds of women who are like "what? civilization like browser game and they advertise with titties? me want" |
| 14:53.10 | Kraps | here it is http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001286.html |
| 14:54.53 | Kraps | look at the last one |
| 14:55.00 | Kraps | just boobs |
| 14:55.11 | Fisker | takes out a knife |
| 14:55.18 | Kraps | freakin weird |
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| 14:56.54 | Kraps | i cant wrap my head around it |
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| 14:57.12 | Fisker | haha lol Kraps |
| 14:58.17 | Kraps | PLAY WOW, A FANTASY MMORPG WHERE YOU KILL STUFF AND LEVEL YOUR CHARACTER. OH BTW HERE ARE SOME BOOBS |
| 14:59.14 | Fisker | T-Shirt ad |
| 14:59.16 | Fisker | i rest my case |
| 14:59.43 | nevcairiel | ad blocker :P |
| 15:00.19 | Kraps | nevcairiel: the ads dont bother me, just the strangeness |
| 15:02.11 | Kraps | How do I get my queen? There is no queen in this game, the ad you saw is for marketing purposes and seems to be highly effective by the number of times this question has come up. |
| 15:02.21 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.49 | nicoli_s | lol the person behind me in the office just read that |
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| 15:05.53 | Lopeppeppy | Great, today my office smells like pool chlorine |
| 15:05.54 | Kraps | the girls in that thread are doing it wrong, there is hardly enough cleavage for an ad |
| 15:08.12 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: just use [[docs/api/FooBlahFunction|FooBlahFunction]] to have an inter-site link. |
| 15:08.34 | nicoli_s | lopeppeppy, just bring in a skunk and hide it somewhere in the office, then complain, then get office clean smelling, easy! |
| 15:09.00 | Cruciformer | jnwhiteh: Yeah I figured that out. Thanks :) |
| 15:09.08 | jnwhiteh | also see PMs |
| 15:09.24 | Cruciformer | I did thanks. |
| 15:11.06 | Kraps | i think carbonite is totally broken now, it wont show quest objective areas |
| 15:12.14 | Cruciformer | jnwhiteh: BTW I have a suggestion. Currently, if the arguments arent described for a function, in teh generated list fo function you will see something like "Frame:SetMinResize()". However, the function signure is "Frame:SetMinResize (minWidth, minHeight)". Displaying that second form in teh absense of the arguments being correctly described is more useful in the overview. |
| 15:12.49 | jnwhiteh | The lack of the signature is a reminder that they need to be converted |
| 15:12.54 | jnwhiteh | we ran out of time on that section in the last edition |
| 15:12.58 | jnwhiteh | so it never got properly done |
| 15:13.13 | jnwhiteh | so I plan to leave it like that for now, since we're in the process of adding the proper argument/return tables. |
| 15:13.52 | Cruciformer | wouldn't it be more useful in the overview to put marker next to the name like "needs args" or somesuch, but still display the signature as you have it, for the user who needs a casual reminder of args order? |
| 15:14.12 | jnwhiteh | it's been a non-issue for quite some time now |
| 15:14.23 | jnwhiteh | and I can't guarantee the validity of those function signatures at the moment |
| 15:14.25 | Cruciformer | *nod* twas just a suggestion sir. |
| 15:15.01 | Cruciformer | it also disambiguates functions that have no arguments from ones that havent had their args described in detail :) |
| 15:15.17 | jnwhiteh | yes, i plan to get review flags in there |
| 15:15.20 | jnwhiteh | but my time.. is nonexistant. |
| 15:15.31 | Cruciformer | fully understood. |
| 15:15.48 | Cruciformer | thank you for enabling editing in teh mtypes though. |
| 15:16.04 | jnwhiteh | no worries |
| 15:16.15 | jnwhiteh | if you see anything else random like that that you can't edit.. let me know. |
| 15:16.36 | Cruciformer | can u think of an off-hand example that has a long description so I can see an example of how you like it done? |
| 15:17.25 | jnwhiteh | umm |
| 15:17.51 | jnwhiteh | lemme look |
| 15:18.43 | jnwhiteh | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/api/UnitInParty i suppose |
| 15:19.18 | jnwhiteh | Just can be any information that isn't included elsewhere. |
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| 15:21.30 | Cruciformer | http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/StatusBar/SetMinMaxValues is that formatted to your liking? |
| 15:21.53 | jnwhiteh | yeah works fine! |
| 15:26.35 | Fisker | this is why we can't have nice things |
| 15:28.27 | Shirik|AFK | I'll show you my nice things |
| 15:28.29 | Shirik|AFK | disappears |
| 15:29.08 | Lopeppeppy | *snark* |
| 15:29.49 | Fisker | i'll kill you |
| 15:29.58 | Kraps | what actually happens in that clip with hitler that the parodies are made of? |
| 15:30.13 | Cruciformer | jnwhiteh: still here? |
| 15:30.17 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 15:30.24 | jnwhiteh | we can also chat in #wowprogramming or in PMs too |
| 15:30.35 | Cruciformer | ok I'llmove to pm |
| 15:30.58 | Fisker | Kraps the russians are pwning them i guess |
| 15:31.10 | Kraps | hmm |
| 15:31.26 | Kraps | wtb a translation |
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| 15:35.22 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHGyIOrmlr0&feature=related |
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| 15:40.49 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qe5PTx6jI8& |
| 15:40.52 | Wobin | That's kinda cool |
| 15:41.04 | Wobin | Full sound replacement for Stratholme |
| 15:41.30 | Lopeppeppy | What does it sound like now, Rainbow Brite? |
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| 15:42.26 | Wobin | apparently not sinister enough =) |
| 15:42.47 | Wobin | a bit more voice acting |
| 15:44.43 | Kraps | man that is sinister |
| 15:45.20 | Kraps | music is better |
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| 15:51.11 | Cruciformer | forgive the min-spam: Dispatcher: 9-1-1 What's the nature of your emergency? |
| 15:51.11 | Cruciformer | Caller: My wife is pregnant and her contractions are only two minutes apart |
| 15:51.11 | Cruciformer | Dispatcher: Is this her first child? |
| 15:51.13 | Cruciformer | Caller: No, you idiot! This is her husband! |
| 15:51.28 | Adys | SPAMMER! |
| 15:51.54 | Cruciformer | I like spam! I think Im going to have spam spam spam spam spam spam spam bacon sausages and spam! |
| 15:52.09 | Aelobin | stolenlegacy: lol 1750g for 2x zerker enchants (i was impatient) :< |
| 15:52.24 | stolenlegacy | Aelobin: oO |
| 15:52.42 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKlTAxTvKkY&feature=fvw |
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| 15:55.45 | Aelobin | a lvl 1 with diplomat.... whyyyyy 0_o |
| 15:55.59 | Lopeppeppy | To break your brainz. |
| 15:56.03 | Aelobin | yus |
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| 16:02.52 | Wobin | http://www.ultrasonic-ringtones.com/ |
| 16:02.54 | Wobin | interesting |
| 16:03.08 | Wobin | the highest I can hear is 19.9kHz |
| 16:03.49 | Wobin | Kraps: This video is not available in your country due to copyright restrictions. |
| 16:03.52 | Wobin | =( |
| 16:03.54 | Wobin | what was it? |
| 16:04.22 | Kraps | hitler and the grammar nazis |
| 16:04.30 | nicoli_s | i bet i cant hear very high at all, one of my ears is all fucked up |
| 16:04.56 | Kraps | his application was refused because he used "your" wrong |
| 16:06.14 | Aelobin | hitler and the grammer nazis - sounds like a nice band name |
| 16:08.31 | Kraps | i cant seem to level |
| 16:08.40 | Kraps | i have this mental block |
| 16:09.45 | Aelobin | since when did levelling require mental capacity? |
| 16:10.18 | Kraps | it doesnt |
| 16:10.40 | Kraps | sorry its a physical block |
| 16:10.53 | Aelobin | cramp? xD |
| 16:11.21 | Kraps | lol |
| 16:11.27 | nevcairiel | Wobin, the 17khz is the last one i heard <.< |
| 16:11.33 | nevcairiel | 17.7 that is |
| 16:11.45 | Kraps | i become exhausted thinking about it :( |
| 16:14.43 | Wobin | http://www.metacafe.com/watch/859124/amazing_audio_illusion/ is pretty nifty |
| 16:16.09 | Fisker | FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- |
| 16:18.46 | Arrowmaster | i could hear the 21.1kHz one but just barely |
| 16:19.01 | Arrowmaster | would be drowned out by background noise if there was much |
| 16:19.10 | nevcairiel | i heard a faint noise on the 18.8 |
| 16:19.16 | nevcairiel | but nothing i would really hear |
| 16:19.19 | nevcairiel | so i didnt make it count |
| 16:19.40 | Arrowmaster | 14.9 and higher are all really faint to me but i can hear them |
| 16:19.50 | Arrowmaster | 14.1 is fucking loud |
| 16:20.11 | nevcairiel | even 16.7 is still damn loud for me |
| 16:20.27 | Lopeppeppy | I'd annoy the next-door-office dog if I did that... it barks enough already |
| 16:20.41 | nevcairiel | if they're old enough they wont hear it |
| 16:20.50 | Arrowmaster | im not even sure if i can hear 16.7 |
| 16:20.58 | Arrowmaster | but i can hear the higher stuff |
| 16:21.06 | nevcairiel | your ears are broken :D |
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| 16:23.17 | Arrowmaster | lol try clicking 3 at once |
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| 16:24.34 | Arrowmaster | might just be my onboard sound card but clicking 3 or more to play at once sounds like something from the transformers movies |
| 16:26.05 | Shirik | hi Fisker |
| 16:28.26 | Fisker | Herro Shirik |
| 16:28.34 | Shirik | why you were mean to Shiibot |
| 16:29.01 | Fisker | because it sucked |
| 16:29.24 | Shirik | :( |
| 16:29.36 | Gnarfoz | did it stop? |
| 16:33.54 | nicoli_s | fisker knows nothing but hate |
| 16:34.25 | Wobin | Subterranian Filmsick Blues : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmtlSUt_BIk |
| 16:34.50 | Wobin | (if you're a fan of Dylan... or movies in general) |
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| 16:35.29 | Lunessa | station |
| 16:35.35 | nicoli_s | for a second there i thouhgt that was a radiohead reference |
| 16:35.55 | Lopeppeppy | Heya, Lunessa. |
| 16:36.17 | Lunessa | nicoli_s: I'm not that big a Radiohead fan |
| 16:36.24 | nicoli_s | you crazy |
| 16:36.44 | nicoli_s | radiohead is my #1 band |
| 16:36.47 | Lopeppeppy | Nah, I don't find Lunessa to be mental much. he's decent stuff. |
| 16:37.15 | Lunessa | I love raidohead, just not enough to use a tribute to them daily. |
| 16:38.01 | nicoli_s | thats acceptable :) |
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| 16:48.29 | Lunessa | I can't brian today, I haz teh dumb. |
| 16:53.19 | Lopeppeppy | Seriously. My brain is jello, without the fruit to make it interesting. |
| 16:54.18 | nicoli_s | mmmm i havent had fruit jello in ages |
| 16:54.18 | airtonix | this kde4 deaktop makes me want to at least try out kde4 : http://img513.imageshack.us/i/snapshot6y.png/ |
| 16:54.42 | nevcairiel | thats just the background image |
| 16:54.49 | nevcairiel | dont be suckerd in by the kde! |
| 16:55.00 | airtonix | i know :( |
| 16:55.05 | sacarasc | airtonix: If you really wanted pretty, you'd be using e17. |
| 16:55.08 | Lunessa | The dock looks suprsingly Mac OS X -sih |
| 16:55.11 | nicoli_s | looks like the half retarded child of osx and vista |
| 16:55.21 | Fisker | i.e. shitteh |
| 16:55.38 | nicoli_s | it doesnt look shitty, just like parents who shouldnt have been fucking, were |
| 16:56.06 | Lunessa | ... Like Mac OS X and Vista we're getting it on! |
| 16:56.12 | Lopeppeppy | I have no frogs. This makes me sad. |
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| 17:00.56 | Lunessa | Schrödinger's Cat ? http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/07/10/funny-pictures-and-stuffs/ |
| 17:01.14 | nevcairiel | nah |
| 17:01.15 | Lopeppeppy | and stuffs |
| 17:01.20 | nevcairiel | i'm certain that cat is alive |
| 17:01.27 | nevcairiel | cant be schroedingers cat |
| 17:02.28 | Lopeppeppy | could be stuffed! |
| 17:02.33 | Lunessa | Well, you've looked now. You've collapsed the quantum state. |
| 17:04.09 | Lopeppeppy | I'm sooooooooo sorry! |
| 17:04.12 | Lopeppeppy | Here, let me fix that. |
| 17:04.14 | Lopeppeppy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.56 | ccox | no, no - if you have to hold the universe together, use the right material: gaffer's tape! |
| 17:06.22 | Lopeppeppy | Humidity tells the tale, duct tape performs better in wet conditions. |
| 17:06.31 | Lopeppeppy | The universe is very wet. *nod* |
| 17:06.39 | Shirik | Interesting read for bored people: http://www.stevemcconnell.com/ccgoto.htm |
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| 17:09.16 | Lopeppeppy | Bored programmers, you mean. |
| 17:10.50 | Lopeppeppy | It did not amuse me. |
| 17:11.02 | Shirik | :( |
| 17:11.06 | Shirik | sorry |
| 17:11.39 | Aqua | last time i've used a goto was a batch file |
| 17:12.58 | Lunessa | Shirik: That's a good article, and anyone considering to learn to write code in modern OO languages should read it. |
| 17:13.26 | Aqua | if you take any programing courses in college though |
| 17:13.40 | Aqua | they kinda beat that into your head, not to use those |
| 17:13.45 | Shirik | yup, and that's a problem |
| 17:13.46 | Aqua | in OO |
| 17:14.04 | Shirik | because people get to the point where there's NEVER a good use for it |
| 17:14.18 | Shirik | and they start writing impossible-to-maintain code because of it |
| 17:14.22 | Shirik | without even a second thought |
| 17:14.22 | Aqua | yea |
| 17:14.35 | Lunessa | There is never a reason to eliminate a possible tools from your kit, but there are things one should use with extreme caution or at least reluctance. |
| 17:14.41 | Aqua | I live by the coding rules of KISS tech |
| 17:15.03 | ccox | some of the worst code I've ever read was due to someone trying to avoid the use of gotos |
| 17:15.14 | ccox | of course, the runner up worst code was over-use of gotos |
| 17:15.52 | Lunessa | My first programming language was BASIC in 1979. GOTO was a key tool. |
| 17:15.59 | Shirik | me too :( |
| 17:16.03 | nevcairiel | basic was evil like that |
| 17:16.08 | Shirik | except that was more in '93 or so |
| 17:16.13 | Shirik | no, must have been later than that |
| 17:16.14 | nevcairiel | my first language was pascal |
| 17:16.16 | Shirik | '95? |
| 17:16.18 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:16.20 | ccox | APPLE][ BASIC |
| 17:16.29 | Lunessa | Yeah, but BASIC taught me enough to get interested in computing. |
| 17:16.35 | Shirik | sics Shiibot on Fisker |
| 17:16.46 | nevcairiel | actually i never really used BASIC, the first variant of it i ever touched was Visual Basic 3.0 |
| 17:16.58 | Lunessa | I'm glad I only ever baddled in PASCAL. And skipped FORTRAN entirely. |
| 17:17.12 | Lunessa | dabbled - but yeah |
| 17:17.44 | Aqua | i started with C++ |
| 17:17.49 | Aqua | (not .net) |
| 17:17.54 | Fisker | you can't stop me Shirik |
| 17:17.57 | Lopeppeppy | I suck at Peggle |
| 17:18.03 | nevcairiel | thats a tough call, starting with C++ |
| 17:18.14 | Shirik | .net is making me angry today |
| 17:18.20 | Shirik | and yeah, I went to C++ after basic |
| 17:18.21 | Aqua | why you say that nev? |
| 17:18.26 | nevcairiel | I went like Pascal -> Visual Basic -> C++ |
| 17:18.40 | nevcairiel | with some delphi in between |
| 17:19.02 | nevcairiel | Aqua, well if you are completly new to programming, C/C++ isnt that good for learning |
| 17:19.12 | nevcairiel | with all the pointer magic |
| 17:19.38 | Shirik | so apparently dialogs are not thread-safe in .net. Nothing new there, Java does the same. |
| 17:19.55 | Aqua | i will agree with you, but you want to know what is wild, i know of two engineering schools that start out with C++ |
| 17:19.57 | Shirik | So what's their solution? If you aren't the thread that made the dialog, you aren't allowed to modify it at all or an exception is thrown. Always. |
| 17:20.12 | Shirik | Never mind that the creating thread might completely drop it afterwards, and never touch it again, and you know wtf you're doing |
| 17:20.18 | Shirik | you're just not allowed to, because you MIGHT hurt yourself |
| 17:20.33 | Shirik | I can't stand APIs that restrict functionality to protect the developer |
| 17:20.38 | Aqua | our subversion server at the place i sort of work for, had its drives destroyed |
| 17:20.38 | Lunessa | Basic/COBOL (oh god, WHY?), C, C++ - PERL, Lua, and many other scripting languages. And a bunch of in-house stuff for AOL that has no relevance to the rest of the universe now. |
| 17:20.51 | nevcairiel | Aqua, hehe. At my university they went like Pascal -> Object Pascal (Delphi) -> C (not C++) -> Java |
| 17:21.53 | Shirik | C isn't good for learning? |
| 17:21.54 | Shirik | I think it's ok if you dodge pointers |
| 17:21.54 | nevcairiel | if you dodge pointers, you didnt learn C |
| 17:21.54 | Aqua | see, they taught us pointers |
| 17:21.54 | Shirik | that's not what I'm saying |
| 17:21.54 | Pneumatus | my first year at uni was C |
| 17:21.54 | Aqua | like right out of the gate |
| 17:21.54 | Shirik | I'm saying you have to push it off until you learn the basics |
| 17:21.54 | Aqua | see, we learned the basics, and we went straight into points |
| 17:21.56 | Aqua | *pointers |
| 17:22.02 | Shirik | lol @ *pointers |
| 17:22.08 | Aqua | followed by huffman trees |
| 17:23.24 | Aqua | i tell you pointers gives you a headache, but allows you to make a little computer virus |
| 17:23.52 | Aqua | our teacher had his bluetooth turned on, so we uploaded a program with a memory leak to his laptop |
| 17:25.02 | Aqua | sad when your smarter than a teacher |
| 17:25.04 | Aqua | but it happens |
| 17:25.20 | Shirik | pointers offer one important thing that Java doesn't |
| 17:25.28 | Shirik | you have to understand wtf is going on behind the scenes |
| 17:25.28 | Lopeppeppy | No individual teacher can think up all of the evil that a class of 20 kids working together can think of. |
| 17:25.45 | Aqua | Lopeppeppy, this was me and a good friend |
| 17:25.48 | Shirik | Java hides everything from you, and that's a problem |
| 17:26.02 | Aqua | ea, Shirik: I agree |
| 17:26.07 | Lopeppeppy | Even two of you is more than one of him. |
| 17:26.09 | Aqua | you do have to learn |
| 17:26.18 | Lunessa | I learned C from a pretty smart guy. He said you knew you had an experienced programmer when their copy of Kernigan and Ritchie would fall open to the section on pointers. |
| 17:26.31 | Shirik | haha |
| 17:26.34 | Aqua | rofl |
| 17:26.38 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 17:26.51 | Aqua | god knows everyone's looked up points once or twice |
| 17:26.56 | Aqua | that knows or messes with C |
| 17:27.37 | Aqua | dynamic arrays is soo much easier when you don't have to worry about behind the scenes |
| 17:27.44 | Lunessa | I've found his statement to be pretty useful in gauging programmers. |
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| 17:28.02 | Aqua | I imagine |
| 17:28.14 | Aqua | I miss programming a lot |
| 17:28.24 | Aqua | I do more networking stuff now |
| 17:28.45 | Aqua | Cisco and their wonderful IOS |
| 17:29.04 | Lunessa | I do more support and documentation now. I haven't really been a programmer in a long time. |
| 17:29.56 | Aqua | i'd have my CCVP if i never got sick |
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| 17:31.07 | Aqua | oh Lunessa: I think the other thing with programers and C is if they have a copy of stroustrup on their desk |
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| 17:32.31 | Aqua | damn i wanna learn WPF |
| 17:33.47 | Aqua | but XAML |
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| 17:34.37 | Aqua | oh did blizzard bam walking addons? |
| 17:34.50 | Aqua | like something that walks you from A to B to C |
| 17:34.57 | airtonix | lol? |
| 17:35.08 | Aqua | *ban... |
| 17:35.12 | Aqua | i hate this keyboard |
| 17:35.13 | Cairenn | ages and ages and ages ago |
| 17:35.32 | Aqua | any reason or just "They didn't want it done" |
| 17:35.35 | Cairenn | like, in one of the very first patches |
| 17:35.39 | airtonix | botting much? |
| 17:35.45 | Cairenn | automates game play, something they don't want |
| 17:35.53 | kneeki | new dead fantasy: http://www.gametrailers.com/video/dead-fantasy-monty-oum/52656?type=flv |
| 17:36.31 | Aqua | no, not botting, just want to take a nap while running to gadget |
| 17:36.50 | airtonix | yes botting |
| 17:37.04 | alestane | kneeki: I should take a look at that, he showed the rough cut at AnimeBoston. |
| 17:37.07 | Cairenn | what do you call it if the game does something when you aren't there? that's the /definition/ of botting |
| 17:37.28 | alestane | Aqua: It's rather hard to prevent auto-farming without also preventing that. |
| 17:37.31 | Aqua | ah true, (i just want to be here, but not be all the way coherent) |
| 17:37.53 | Lopeppeppy | Teach your cat to play for you. :) |
| 17:38.05 | Aqua | my kitty playing a kitty |
| 17:38.12 | Lopeppeppy | Adds some realism |
| 17:38.21 | Aqua | narcolepsy just sucks |
| 17:38.25 | Cairenn | well, from what I've seen - 90% of the player base of WoW isn't particularly coherent when playing to begin with, so ... |
| 17:38.27 | Aqua | interferes with all kinds of stuff |
| 17:38.36 | Cairenn | ;) |
| 17:39.37 | Lopeppeppy | I'm trying to teach Moose to type "lol" as an answer to everything, but her paws are too big, we get pko instead... |
| 17:39.59 | Shirik | why does the documentation .NET's System.Threading.Semaphore completely suck :P |
| 17:40.07 | Aqua | because its microsoft.... |
| 17:40.14 | Shirik | they go on and on about one possible use of semaphores, without discussing the real purpose behind them |
| 17:40.17 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:40.33 | Shirik | I mean, I got what I needed out of it, which was just the name of one method, but that's because I already now what I expect from a semaphore |
| 17:40.41 | Shirik | someone trying to learn about semaphores would be totally thrown off by it |
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| 17:42.09 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: write macros and teach her to just press one button for talking |
| 17:43.04 | Lunessa | ... Apparently I'm an asshole - because you know, teaching someone how to add an address to their whitelist is too complex. |
| 17:43.14 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 17:43.44 | Lunessa | A professor here just complained bitterly that this is "too hard" and that "I should implement a better system." |
| 17:43.59 | Lopeppeppy | You use outlook for the sheeple, yes Lunessa? |
| 17:44.03 | Lunessa | All the while implying that I'm an ass for making him do this. |
| 17:44.12 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.18 | Lopeppeppy | "Here's my ass. Kiss it." |
| 17:44.21 | Lunessa | Lopeppeppy: Yeah, but we filter using SOPHOS pre-exchange |
| 17:44.23 | Shirik | use soi instead |
| 17:44.35 | Shirik | soi makes a really realistic noise |
| 17:44.38 | Shirik | at least on my computer |
| 17:48.24 | Aqua | is away -( Taking a nap )- at 12:48p -( P:On / L:On )- |
| 17:48.33 | Aqua | night kids |
| 17:49.42 | Lopeppeppy | AFK meeeeeeeeting! |
| 17:53.34 | Shirik | what the crap is this supposed to mean, in MSDN again |
| 17:53.37 | Shirik | "Delegates are similar to C++ function pointers, but are type safe." |
| 17:53.42 | Shirik | C++'s function pointers are type safe... |
| 17:54.59 | Fisker | slaps Shirik around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:55.03 | Lunessa | It means the docs were written by someone who isn't a programmer |
| 17:55.44 | Fisker | i'm sorry Shirik |
| 17:55.48 | Fisker | shoots Shirik |
| 17:57.05 | ccox | or someone just trying to spread FUD (I know, at Microsoft that's a given) |
| 17:59.22 | Fisker | naw ccox |
| 18:00.28 | Shirik | in fact, I just found out C# is less type strict than C++ |
| 18:00.33 | Shirik | because it doesn't enforce the volatile keyword correctly |
| 18:01.38 | krka | i didnt know volatile was part of the type at all |
| 18:02.28 | Shirik | it is |
| 18:02.31 | Shirik | that's why you have to const_cast it in C++ |
| 18:03.22 | Shirik | for example, volatile int* foo; int* bar; bar = foo // illegal |
| 18:03.43 | Shirik | going from non-volatile to volatile is allowed, though, iirc, just as going from non-const to const is |
| 18:03.57 | alestane | "volatile" means "could change from outside this code", right? Whereas "mutable" means "could change even if part of a const object." |
| 18:04.24 | Shirik | I think it would be better to say "from outside this thread" |
| 18:04.50 | Shirik | it basically disables optimizations |
| 18:05.01 | alestane | Mostly tells the compiler not to optimize the code by caching the value. |
| 18:05.07 | Shirik | And yeah, mutable only says "Allow me to change this even with a const 'this' pointer" |
| 18:05.10 | Shirik | right |
| 18:05.15 | krka | i prefer to phrase it as "it basically disables some bugs" |
| 18:06.30 | Shirik | "A volatile specified is a hint to a compiler that na object may change its value in ways not specified by the language so that aggressive optimizations must be avoided." |
| 18:06.41 | Shirik | Stroustrup's definition |
| 18:06.48 | Shirik | an* |
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| 18:07.13 | Shirik | specifier* |
| 18:07.14 | Shirik | wow |
| 18:07.16 | Shirik | I typed that bad |
| 18:08.38 | alestane | I still approve of this sentiment from the creators of Lua: |
| 18:08.38 | alestane | "...we did not (and still do not) believe in the standard multithreading model, which is preemptive concurrency with shared memory: we still think that no one can write correct programs in a language where âa=a+1â is not deterministic." |
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| 18:10.13 | ccox | which just means they don't understand multithreading |
| 18:10.25 | ccox | (of course, most programmers don't, so that's not surprising) |
| 18:10.43 | Fisker | i'm raging |
| 18:12.06 | alestane | I feel for Tycho: |
| 18:12.06 | alestane | "...learning that the "network error" was nothing of the kind, but was instead some kind of problem with my profile. I was able to learn this by turning to a trio of witches with one eye between them, hunched over an unseemly broth, as opposed to the game's main site. I learned later that the solution [...] was available on their Twitter, which is not the first place I think to look for technical support." |
| 18:12.09 | Shirik | here's what I'm really worried about |
| 18:12.10 | jnwhiteh | ccox: I don't think that's a fair statement at all. You don't have any reason to back up your statement. |
| 18:12.18 | Shirik | http://pastey.net/117457 |
| 18:12.29 | airtonix | hey i found a wallpaper for the norwegian prime minister : http://customize.org/wallpapers/55378/download?version=53856&resolution=6144x1536 |
| 18:12.35 | Shirik | I'm scared of the compiler optimizing out the check for 'running' because I don't use it at all in the loop |
| 18:12.57 | Shirik | so I was going to make running a volatile bool* |
| 18:13.00 | Shirik | but I can't! |
| 18:13.18 | ccox | jnwhiteh: yes, I do. Their statement is nonsense and shows a clear lack of understanding of multithreading. |
| 18:13.18 | haste | Bruners: ping! |
| 18:13.36 | jnwhiteh | ccox: I disagree wholeheartedly. |
| 18:13.38 | jnwhiteh | *shrug* |
| 18:13.42 | jnwhiteh | I guess we'll leave it at that |
| 18:13.47 | ccox | ok |
| 18:14.24 | jnwhiteh | they are far from the only people who believe that ad-hoc concurrency in a shared memory model is not the way things should be done. |
| 18:15.07 | Fisker | I agree halfheartedly jnwhiteh |
| 18:15.35 | jnwhiteh | and further, I fail to understand why when you disagree with someone you feel the need to insult their credentials or perspective. |
| 18:16.17 | nicoli_s | cuz thats how intenret arguements are won? |
| 18:16.37 | ccox | jnwhiteh: I did not insult their credentials. I simply said that their statement shows a lack of understanding, because it does. |
| 18:17.08 | jnwhiteh | ccox: if that's your assertion (I do not believe their statement shows anything of the sort) then we can just stop talking now. |
| 18:17.38 | ccox | ok, again |
| 18:18.10 | nicoli_s | i wish we had one of those rings where people could go in and fight this stuff out physically |
| 18:18.41 | jnwhiteh | there's nothing to fight out |
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| 18:19.16 | NightHawkTheSane | jnwhiteh: probably not, but it'd still be nice to have one for entertainment. ;) |
| 18:19.45 | cog|work | /popcorn |
| 18:20.12 | Fisker | /cogwheel |
| 18:20.42 | Lunessa | UFC - Programmer Edition! - Could have the Punch Out sounds. |
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| 18:22.42 | nicoli_s | or just do a new version of chess boxing, where you make a small program, then box a round of boxing, for 3 rounds |
| 18:24.11 | alestane | "There is nothing you can say that will make me come with you." |
| 18:24.11 | alestane | "I need you to blow up a mountain." |
| 18:24.12 | alestane | "I retract my previous statement and look forward to our new adventure." |
| 18:24.47 | jnwhiteh | =) |
| 18:25.18 | alestane | <3 Ryan and Lar. |
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| 18:32.19 | Lunessa | alestane: I saw that and thought of you. |
| 18:32.25 | Fisker | stares at Lunessa |
| 18:32.52 | Lunessa | smacks Fisker about with a nine-pound hammer. |
| 18:33.31 | sacarasc | hands Fisker a 6KG hammer. |
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| 18:43.59 | Fisker | teh fuck Shirik |
| 18:44.25 | Cairenn | aw crap, now I'll never get my hubby home - they just opened 12 Tim Horton's in NYC |
| 18:44.27 | Fisker | I was just trying to end an application with the task manager |
| 18:44.34 | Fisker | then the task manager hanged |
| 18:44.45 | Fisker | then every app on my system crashed ;_; |
| 18:45.09 | durcyn | SIGTERMs Fisker |
| 18:45.17 | Fisker | herro durcyn |
| 18:45.21 | durcyn | hello denmark |
| 18:45.27 | nicoli_s | Tim Horton? |
| 18:45.27 | Lunessa | Cairenn: :( |
| 18:45.43 | Cairenn | nicoli_s: coffee |
| 18:45.44 | durcyn | nicoli_s: canadian coffee shop and moose brothel |
| 18:46.04 | nicoli_s | ahh |
| 18:46.05 | Fisker | nooooooooo durcyn |
| 18:46.28 | Cairenn | I'm joking, btw - not about the fact that they opened 12 locations in NY, but that I'll never get him home now |
| 18:46.38 | airtonix | lol "moose brothel" |
| 18:46.39 | Cairenn | he doesn't have to come home to get his Tim's fix |
| 18:47.52 | Lunessa | |Jelly|: "And I'd give you all my AIM name, but honestly, you'd all find out that I'm just as much of an %!!#%%* "in real life" as I am here. :-\ " LIES! You tone it down on the WoW Forums. |
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| 18:48.44 | Cide | hi |
| 18:49.04 | Cairenn | hey Cide :) |
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| 19:22.31 | Aelobin | does killing machine not procc off special attacks? |
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| 19:33.09 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: You have mastered all of the level 3 "Boss" jobs but you must master lower job tiers before you can earn the title of "Master Boss." |
| 19:33.43 | Lopeppeppy | Have I? |
| 19:33.47 | Lopeppeppy | Interesting. |
| 19:34.03 | Ackis | no I have |
| 19:34.16 | Lopeppeppy | I never bothered with the boss fights, found them boring. |
| 19:35.09 | Ackis | I wanted the trophy |
| 19:35.14 | Ackis | 2x energy regeneration |
| 19:36.05 | Lopeppeppy | Huh? Tell me more, my energy sucks! |
| 19:36.16 | Zhinjio | Mafia wars? *grin* |
| 19:37.14 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: Golden Throne = gives 2x the energy regeneration per period |
| 19:37.22 | cog|work | i've mastered level 3 on everything up to underboss. just started on boss today |
| 19:37.40 | nevcairiel | what are you guys playing now again? |
| 19:37.49 | Ackis | boss took forever because of the items you need |
| 19:37.56 | Ackis | nevcairiel: mafia wars on facebook lol |
| 19:37.58 | Thunder_Child | meh, WTB Devine Power |
| 19:38.00 | nevcairiel | rofl |
| 19:38.41 | Ackis | you on facebook nev? :P |
| 19:38.46 | nevcairiel | no |
| 19:38.49 | nevcairiel | and i'll never be |
| 19:38.58 | alestane | To all those who wrangled with my misguided calculus last night; the answer is 8. |
| 19:38.59 | Ackis | haha |
| 19:39.07 | Zhinjio | I used to say that too |
| 19:39.10 | Ackis | alestane: not 42? |
| 19:39.11 | Zhinjio | eventually, i had to give in |
| 19:39.16 | alestane | And it was WAY easier than I originally thought, but it does require calculus. |
| 19:39.23 | nevcairiel | You had to? because of what? |
| 19:39.33 | Thunder_Child | alestane, wasnt x = 25/2 ? |
| 19:39.34 | cog|work | peer pressure? |
| 19:39.37 | Zhinjio | too many friends who were using it. |
| 19:39.45 | Ackis | cog|work: you need to start asking friends to help you w/ your mafia wars jobs btw :P |
| 19:39.48 | Zhinjio | of course, once I actually started using it, I found the utility of it very quickly |
| 19:39.56 | nevcairiel | no peer presure could get me to sign my personal details over to a evil company like facebook |
| 19:40.05 | Zhinjio | so it was silly of me not to, all along. |
| 19:40.23 | nicoli_s | hey, facebook isnt near as evil as curse is, or so i hear |
| 19:40.30 | cog|work | Ackis: oh... i thought that was an automatic thing >< |
| 19:40.31 | alestane | The problem ended up boiling down to min(6.25(ln(x) - ln(4)) + 50/x) |
| 19:40.37 | Ackis | pfft curse is a keylogger |
| 19:40.45 | nevcairiel | curse just gave me money, i can live with whatever they do :P |
| 19:40.52 | Ackis | I instaleld their client and I got banned from wow!!!! |
| 19:41.02 | nicoli_s | you get the money gift nevcairiel? |
| 19:41.09 | cog|work | ~lart Ackis |
| 19:41.09 | purl | makes a balloon animal out of Ackis |
| 19:41.21 | nevcairiel | yea nicoli_s |
| 19:41.31 | nicoli_s | sweet |
| 19:41.49 | nevcairiel | about a week until i can get the next one, hehe |
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| 19:42.29 | Ackis | I'm not even at the first one :P |
| 19:42.31 | nicoli_s | that sucks the tax limit is 600 |
| 19:42.43 | nevcairiel | for US people |
| 19:42.45 | nevcairiel | i've been told |
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| 19:42.48 | nicoli_s | ahh |
| 19:42.50 | nevcairiel | i'm not US |
| 19:42.51 | nevcairiel | :) |
| 19:43.11 | Zhinjio | I should trade in my points and go amazon wild |
| 19:43.12 | Zhinjio | heh |
| 19:43.12 | Ackis | you'll still have to pay american taxes however correct? |
| 19:43.28 | nevcairiel | i didnt pay anything on the first one |
| 19:43.38 | nevcairiel | except paypal fees for the USD -> Euro exchange |
| 19:43.56 | nicoli_s | so 500 us is what like 1 euro? |
| 19:44.06 | nevcairiel | 340 or so |
| 19:44.11 | nevcairiel | in paypal |
| 19:44.20 | nevcairiel | 360 in the real world =P |
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| 19:44.32 | Thunder_Child | alestane, using 8 for x you get r=-132 |
| 19:44.37 | nicoli_s | man, i remember when it was alot more in our favor |
| 19:44.56 | nicoli_s | last time i went to europe a few years ago, i think it was more like 410 or so for 500 |
| 19:45.03 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 19:45.06 | nevcairiel | but thats been a while |
| 19:45.25 | nicoli_s | thinks nevcairiel was following him |
| 19:45.39 | nevcairiel | i was? |
| 19:46.01 | alestane | Thunder_Child: The problem as I phrased it at the time was completely incorrect. |
| 19:46.05 | nicoli_s | you seem to know that i went to europe a while ago somehow |
| 19:47.13 | nevcairiel | i was just commenting on the fact that the time the USD was stronger is not that recent |
| 19:47.27 | Shirik | I was following myself |
| 19:47.44 | nicoli_s | sureee |
| 19:47.57 | nevcairiel | usually i'm fine with a weak dollar, makes stuff cheaper around here |
| 19:48.05 | nevcairiel | but in that case =P |
| 19:48.24 | Thunder_Child | alestane, ah, well then that would explain how we were both correct. |
| 19:48.38 | nicoli_s | what addons to dyou make nevcairiel, not sure i recognize yer name from any |
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| 19:49.11 | Lunessa | netsplit? |
| 19:49.17 | Thunder_Child | no |
| 19:49.19 | Thunder_Child | you fail |
| 19:49.27 | nevcairiel | Bartender4, Mapster, HotCandy, also i'm the main Dev on Ace3 these days =P |
| 19:49.33 | Torhal | nicoli_s: You fail. |
| 19:49.37 | nicoli_s | ahhh |
| 19:49.50 | nicoli_s | torhal: i dont play wow, so i gots no clue |
| 19:49.58 | Torhal | Kaelten: Send this one to school. |
| 19:50.04 | Torhal | nicoli_s: Hehe |
| 19:50.22 | nicoli_s | i already went to school and dropped out, not gonna learn much more |
| 19:50.46 | nicoli_s | plus i can safely say i'll be sleeping through "wow addons and their authors 101" |
| 19:51.37 | Lunessa | Fail everyone. It's the only way to be sure. |
| 19:52.03 | nicoli_s | sounds like a plan to me |
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| 19:57.34 | Lopeppeppy | I broke the work server again. Score. |
| 20:01.32 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/browse/12363/mario_drugs.gif |
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| 20:06.34 | Fisker | reminds me of the japanese version of super mario |
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| 20:07.07 | tem|work | oh god this is so terrible |
| 20:07.10 | tem|work | but so funny |
| 20:07.10 | tem|work | http://www.helenkellersimulator.com/ |
| 20:07.42 | Ackis | it's broken, I can't see anything |
| 20:07.49 | Arrowmaster | whats in the comment? |
| 20:08.08 | Thunder_Child | Ackis, that might be the joke |
| 20:08.18 | Ackis | Thunder_Child: I knows |
| 20:08.51 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet, my server isn't usually down for this long! |
| 20:08.57 | Cide | yeah what the hell does that comment say? |
| 20:11.27 | Cide | it's funny nonetheless |
| 20:11.52 | VonhintenHOME` | It's funny if you're an insensitive douchbag... |
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| 20:11.53 | VonhintenHOME` | like me |
| 20:12.05 | Thunder_Child | like most of us |
| 20:12.06 | nicoli_s | i love tasteless jokes |
| 20:12.21 | nicoli_s | i could fall asleep to the sound of people being disgusted by dead baby jokes |
| 20:14.30 | nicoli_s | like, whats black, white, and red all over and cant fit through small corridors? |
| 20:14.57 | nicoli_s | easy! a nun with a javelin in her forehead |
| 20:15.03 | ccox | Ackis - you need to feel around the source of that page |
| 20:15.06 | End | I don't bother translating the whole thing, but I think it says "this is not the source code you are looking for" |
| 20:15.09 | End | didn't* |
| 20:15.33 | Cide | nice |
| 20:15.52 | Cide | but "the source code you did not see did not make you blind" would have been funnier |
| 20:15.59 | End | lol |
| 20:17.11 | Lunessa | You're in a maze of twisty passages, all alike. It's dark. You might get eaten by a grue. |
| 20:17.22 | tem|work | Cide: I suspect it's brail |
| 20:17.26 | Cide | aye |
| 20:17.35 | Cide | I figured as much after a few minutes of stupidity |
| 20:17.41 | End | yeah, it is braille |
| 20:18.13 | nicoli_s | are yall still talking about the hellen keller wbesite? |
| 20:18.20 | Cide | what helen keller website? |
| 20:18.55 | Cide | I'm in the dark here |
| 20:19.05 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 20:19.16 | End | cide is a terrible person ;p |
| 20:19.21 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 20:19.27 | Cide | ~Cide++ |
| 20:19.29 | Cide | yes? |
| 20:19.36 | foxlit | ~karma Cide |
| 20:19.36 | purl | cide has karma of 6 |
| 20:19.40 | Cide | yess |
| 20:20.06 | Cide | I think most of the positive karma has come from terrible/evil lines, too |
| 20:20.10 | durcyn | ~cide++ |
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| 20:20.40 | durcyn | schadenfreude at the outrage of other is the best schadenfreude |
| 20:20.43 | durcyn | others* |
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| 20:23.07 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.dblnj.org/images/braille_chart2.gif |
| 20:23.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Someone go translate that |
| 20:23.47 | Cide | End already did |
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| 20:27.41 | Cide | and was correct |
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| 20:31.00 | foxlit | grr |
| 20:31.03 | foxlit | div {height: 100%} |
| 20:31.18 | foxlit | Not *quite* what I want. |
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| 20:32.26 | Cide | hm? |
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| 20:33.49 | alestane | Anyone know a way to force the body to be at least as tall as the window? |
| 20:33.56 | foxlit | It locks it at 100% of the parent container. |
| 20:34.01 | alestane | OPther than lots of <br />s? |
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| 20:34.15 | foxlit | alestane: html, body {height: 100%} |
| 20:34.15 | alestane | foxlit: Try div {min-height: 100%}? |
| 20:34.28 | Cide | spotty ie support for min-height |
| 20:34.37 | Cide | http://ryanfait.com/sticky-footer/ maybe helps |
| 20:34.43 | tekkub | alestane: I've toyed with it a bit, padding always bites me in the ass |
| 20:34.51 | alestane | Oh, okay, the html element is auto-sized, too? I figured that would be sized at the widow size. |
| 20:34.58 | Cide | or maybe http://www.cssstickyfooter.com/ is more recent |
| 20:35.05 | tekkub | if you set height 100% then padding is added to the height AFtER |
| 20:35.23 | foxlit | tekkub: pad some other element. |
| 20:36.07 | tekkub | foxlit: yea I just gave up on it :) |
| 20:36.25 | Cide | alestane: http://www.cssstickyfooter.com/ should help, I think |
| 20:36.28 | foxlit | I did end up using min-height, albeit with a slightly different height. |
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| 20:36.38 | alestane | Cide: I'm reaching the point where I no longer give a d*&n about spotty IE support for ANYTHING. |
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| 20:36.49 | Cide | haha, alright |
| 20:37.22 | alestane | IE 8 finally supports the object tag without throwing f'ed up internal padding on it, and it took them HOW long? |
| 20:37.29 | Cide | too bad I have to |
| 20:37.44 | Cide | I had to hack jquery to add a check for a global variable I *sometimes* set |
| 20:37.47 | Cide | to support ie |
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| 20:38.10 | cbreak | eeew, globals |
| 20:38.11 | alestane | Since IE 4-7 basically considers <object> to be ActiveX support. |
| 20:38.18 | tekkub | I find life much happier if you just don't think about IE |
| 20:38.32 | tekkub | if it works, it works, if it doesn't, tell them to get chrome or FF |
| 20:38.40 | tekkub | or pay you extra to fix for IE |
| 20:39.32 | cbreak | fall back to HTML 2.0 |
| 20:39.35 | Adys | CIDE |
| 20:40.56 | Cide | YES |
| 20:40.57 | VonhintenHOME` | They'd have to give me 50% more salary to do web development... |
| 20:41.43 | airtonix | wont happen |
| 20:42.12 | airtonix | because: marketing dude "lololol ir using frontpage lololol" |
| 20:42.21 | airtonix | you: /rage |
| 20:43.18 | airtonix | or : accounts manager "hailol make this work <hands you ms word fully expecting you to use it for web dev>" |
| 20:45.19 | cbreak | word documents look different on every computer you open them :( |
| 20:46.07 | airtonix | i've had several clients hand me a wrod doc as a prototype for a wesbite fully expecting me to work from it verbatim |
| 20:46.14 | airtonix | werd! |
| 20:46.57 | airtonix | i'm like : this is a word doc.... and they're are like : yes (like i've just noticed they speak english) |
| 20:47.46 | airtonix | inb4rage |
| 20:48.16 | cbreak | I am sure you could faithfully reproduce the terrible look of a word document in html... |
| 20:48.31 | foxlit | Ahem. |
| 20:48.32 | cbreak | including bad kerning, wrong fonts and so on |
| 20:48.35 | foxlit | File -> Save As -> HTML |
| 20:48.40 | foxlit | ~rimshot |
| 20:48.41 | purl | ba-dum CHH |
| 20:48.43 | cbreak | that's not html |
| 20:49.01 | cbreak | that's a pile of font tags that pretends to be html |
| 20:49.36 | airtonix | vis people using word to make websites |
| 20:49.49 | ccox | This is your word document, <save as HTML>, this is your word document on the web, any questions about why you shouldn't be using word? |
| 20:50.07 | airtonix | customer : FUUUUUUU!!! |
| 20:50.28 | Arrowmaster | theres a reason outlook uses the word html render instead of the ie html render |
| 20:50.43 | airtonix | to hide the fact that it's bad |
| 20:50.46 | cbreak | more suck? |
| 20:51.22 | Arrowmaster | to hide the fact that word html isnt anything close to proper html and cant even be reliably viewed in IE |
| 20:51.28 | alestane | So that you can write and receive rich text email using the tools you're used to from Word, and if people think it looks messed-up when they get it, abviously they should switch to Outlook. |
| 20:51.31 | Ackis | eh what's wrong with word? or are you just QQing about the word save as html setting (which does suck) |
| 20:51.42 | airtonix | due to microsofts love of feature lock in and deviation from standards |
| 20:52.14 | durcyn | well, to be overly pedantic, html isn't a standard, and word's syntax _is_ technically valid.. |
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| 20:52.30 | foxlit | alestane: it's the other way around, I thought |
| 20:52.52 | Arrowmaster | html emails need to die |
| 20:52.54 | foxlit | Word can't render some subset of HTML. |
| 20:52.55 | ScytheBlade1 | curious. can anyone open http://dist.averageurl.com/ ? It should load up an apache "go configure the server" page |
| 20:52.56 | airtonix | ^ |
| 20:53.08 | Thunder_Child | nope |
| 20:53.09 | foxlit | SB1: " because Safari canât find the server âdist.averageurl.comâ." |
| 20:53.21 | alestane | Page load error. |
| 20:53.39 | airtonix | customer: wouldn't have this problem using word /emo |
| 20:53.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably because it only has an IPv6 record, heh. |
| 20:53.52 | Arrowmaster | ScytheBlade1: no dns entry |
| 20:54.00 | ScytheBlade1 | Arrowmaster: try AAAA ;) |
| 20:54.01 | ccox | Scythe - no DNS return |
| 20:54.08 | Arrowmaster | i dont have ipv6 |
| 20:54.17 | airtonix | [insert comment] |
| 20:54.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I've noticed |
| 20:54.30 | Shirik | does anyone know if Java has a dynamic_cast equivalent? |
| 20:55.05 | foxlit | You want WHAT in your WHERE?! |
| 20:55.06 | cbreak | cast it and test if the ref is zero? (I haven't used java in years though...) |
| 20:56.05 | Shirik | Java will throw an exception if the cast is invalid, not return null |
| 20:56.10 | Shirik | but what if I want it to return null, that's the question |
| 20:56.19 | Cide | then you catch the exception and do it yourself |
| 20:56.27 | Shirik | I could theoretically catch the exception, but exceptions should by truly exceptional situations (no pun intended) |
| 20:56.31 | foxlit | Or you test whether it's a subclass and return null otherwise |
| 20:56.32 | cbreak | aren't exceptions slow?) |
| 20:56.37 | Cide | yes |
| 20:56.42 | Cide | generally, anyway |
| 20:56.47 | Cide | comparably, anyway |
| 20:57.18 | Shirik | bad Cide |
| 20:57.19 | Shirik | get out of my head |
| 20:57.20 | foxlit | psst, Shirik: Class.isInstance(Object obj) |
| 20:57.53 | Ackis | cog|work: You received 9 experience points and $1,888,700 for helping Don Cogwheelio complete the job. |
| 20:57.54 | Shirik | I guess that will work, it just seems dirty because (1) it relies on reflection and (2) it requires two cast operations if it IS an instance |
| 20:58.53 | foxlit | Hm, but I can't actually find a way to cast to a Class instance type |
| 20:59.18 | Ackis | My god |
| 20:59.24 | Ackis | they just added achievements to the WoW TCG |
| 20:59.48 | Arrowmaster | real achievements or feats of strength? |
| 21:00.01 | foxlit | to the TCG or to WoW? |
| 21:00.02 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 21:00.03 | ScytheBlade1 | http://failblog.org/2009/07/13/omg-u-fail-so-hard/ |
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| 21:02.56 | Shirik | so, who has a solution for http://pastey.net/117457 ? |
| 21:03.05 | Shirik | running changes at some point in th efuture by another thread |
| 21:03.11 | Shirik | but the compiler will optimize it out |
| 21:03.26 | Cide | dialog.Disposed() += ...? |
| 21:03.30 | Cide | oh god that language is fugly |
| 21:03.37 | airtonix | http://www.wanderinggoblin.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/paladin-detention.jpg |
| 21:03.37 | Shirik | C# event |
| 21:03.39 | Shirik | means "call this when the dialog is disposed" |
| 21:03.56 | Shirik | sorry, it's mistyped too |
| 21:04.00 | Shirik | it should be dialog.Disposed += |
| 21:04.03 | Cide | thank god |
| 21:04.09 | Cide | that's slightly more sane |
| 21:04.11 | Cide | but still insane |
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| 21:10.26 | Shirik | here's my current (hopeful) solution: http://pastey.net/117461 |
| 21:10.30 | Shirik | I'm going to go check the bytecode now |
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| 21:11.18 | nevcairiel | this is so ugly |
| 21:11.33 | nevcairiel | somehow i'm kind of sure that there is a clean way to do it |
| 21:11.35 | Ackis | nevcairiel: quit looking at my pic :( |
| 21:11.36 | nevcairiel | but i have no idea how :P |
| 21:12.48 | Shirik | the clean way would be to use volatile |
| 21:12.54 | Shirik | but they don't allow it :( |
| 21:13.43 | nevcairiel | is there no volatile at all in c#? |
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| 21:14.33 | cbreak | volatile? isn't C# a bit too high level for something like that? |
| 21:14.48 | nevcairiel | java has it |
| 21:14.55 | nevcairiel | so c# might as well |
| 21:15.08 | cbreak | must be different semantics than C's |
| 21:15.47 | nevcairiel | its actually somewhat similar |
| 21:15.55 | nevcairiel | you use it mainly when using threads |
| 21:15.56 | Shirik | C# has volatile |
| 21:15.57 | Thunder_Child | i wonder how fail of a language you would get if the took the most efficent part of all the languages |
| 21:16.00 | Shirik | they just broke the language in 2.0 |
| 21:16.16 | Shirik | They added this delegate feature without changing the rules for "volatile" |
| 21:16.21 | alestane | Shirik: Is that "dialog.Disposed +=" syntax a form of hooking? |
| 21:16.33 | Shirik | so volatile is still illegal on local variables |
| 21:16.40 | Shirik | not to mention C#'s volatile is broken in the first place |
| 21:16.51 | Shirik | <int> = <volatile int> should not be legal |
| 21:16.55 | Shirik | or rather, sorry |
| 21:16.59 | Shirik | <int*> = <volatile int*> |
| 21:17.14 | Shirik | alestane: You could say that, yeah, though it's a feature of the language |
| 21:17.19 | Shirik | not implemented in a class or something |
| 21:17.44 | Shirik | but yes it chains all the events together, but I don't think you're guaranteed the order in which the events are called |
| 21:17.48 | alestane | I don't know if that syntax is really ghastly or makes perfect sense. |
| 21:18.09 | cbreak | operator overloading can make more evil looking things |
| 21:18.26 | alestane | So basically, an event is a series of callbacks, and you're saying, "Add this callback to the chain when this script is triggered." |
| 21:18.27 | mikma | tekkub: http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/fail-owned-massage-chair-fail.jpg?w=500&h=400 |
| 21:18.38 | Shirik | yup |
| 21:18.59 | Shirik | it gets more fun when you start talking about inheritance |
| 21:19.06 | Shirik | you can add abstract methods to an event |
| 21:19.14 | Shirik | the result being the implementation of that method is what's called |
| 21:19.30 | nevcairiel | thats just broken |
| 21:20.03 | Shirik | why? |
| 21:20.07 | alestane | It makes a twisted sort of sense, actually. |
| 21:21.05 | alestane | What's the delegate, basically an anonymous method declaration? |
| 21:21.11 | Shirik | that's it |
| 21:22.17 | Shirik | Apparently I was wrong, there is a defined order |
| 21:22.17 | Shirik | "Multiple delegates can be added to a single event invocation list and will be called in the order they were added." |
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| 21:22.18 | nevcairiel | why cant all languages use the same names for things |
| 21:22.18 | cbreak | trademarks. |
| 21:22.18 | Shirik | they do |
| 21:22.18 | foxlit | nonsense |
| 21:22.18 | Shirik | Java has "const" |
| 21:22.18 | Shirik | they just don't use it |
| 21:22.18 | Shirik | just like Java has "goto" also |
| 21:22.25 | Shirik | I love java's useless keywords |
| 21:22.26 | Shirik | they're very fun |
| 21:23.21 | alestane | http://xkcd.com/292/ |
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| 21:24.30 | nicoli_s | are you trying to imply goto is a useless keyword? |
| 21:24.44 | cbreak | it makes great bait for carnivores. |
| 21:24.47 | Shirik | it is in Java |
| 21:24.48 | Shirik | literally |
| 21:24.57 | Shirik | in Java its purpose is to cause a compiler error |
| 21:25.45 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 21:26.33 | foxlit | Hm, regex: I'm looking to capture two characters, such that they're both from a specific set, adjacent, but char1 != char2 |
| 21:27.43 | Cide | could maybe do it with a negative lookahead/behind |
| 21:27.48 | Shirik | ^ |
| 21:28.45 | Cide | (?!(aa|bb|cc))[abc]{2} or whatever |
| 21:28.51 | Cide | not sure if there's a better solution |
| 21:29.41 | foxlit | Hm, I'm doomed anyway |
| 21:30.00 | foxlit | I was contemplating parsing something like "*Bold text* /italic text/ /*Bold italic text*/" |
| 21:30.02 | alestane | "It feels like that scene in Fight Club where the narrator sits down next to Tyler on the plane. Two strangers meeting, laying out their personality and sizing each other up in just a few words, with no expectations, and â thanks to anonymity â no consequences. |
| 21:30.03 | alestane | "Except in this case, a lot of the time Tyler just screams âCOCKSâ, punches the narrator, and jumps out of the window." |
| 21:30.06 | Shirik | ([abcde])(?!\1)([abcde]) |
| 21:30.07 | Shirik | something like that |
| 21:30.11 | Shirik | I think should work |
| 21:30.33 | Cide | ya, wasn't sure if you could refer to matches |
| 21:32.12 | alestane | http://notalwaysright.com/suddenly-everything-just-clicked/2211 *snrk* |
| 21:32.34 | foxlit | I suspect that would capture " /", then skip past "/*" on principle. |
| 21:33.02 | Shirik | ? |
| 21:34.09 | foxlit | Shirik: I'm thinking of ([ /*_])(?!\1)([/*_a-zA-Z]) to capture the "opening" character. |
| 21:34.42 | foxlit | Hm, perhaps I should split that into two parts. |
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| 21:44.51 | Kraps | http://notalwaysright.com/the-hole-in-his-logic/2206 |
| 21:46.58 | foxlit | http://pastey.net/117462 << hurray for php |
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| 21:56.55 | Lunessa | alestane: So... 4Chan? |
| 21:57.30 | jnwhiteh | Yay! |
| 21:57.35 | jnwhiteh | Heroes of Newerth beta key |
| 21:57.42 | Industrial | :O |
| 21:57.58 | Industrial | what was that game again, i remember the name :p |
| 21:58.17 | Industrial | is it a f2p thing? |
| 21:59.35 | Industrial | oh its DotA like? |
| 21:59.49 | Addys | jnwhiteh: 0J81-CCA9-ERD7-6522-ER04M |
| 21:59.55 | Addys | I am the Beta Whisperer |
| 22:00.42 | NeoTron | just installed the beta for a MMORPG in progress but probably can't talk about any details due to NDA. |
| 22:01.26 | tem|work | Cairenn: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8147566.stm |
| 22:01.51 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: is it a MMO? |
| 22:02.03 | tem|work | NeoTron: In my own experience with NDAs, I'd say you might have already breached the agreement. |
| 22:02.14 | Cairenn | rofl, no shit sherlock! (the link's subject) |
| 22:02.44 | tem|work | :) |
| 22:03.09 | NeoTron | tem|work: perhaps but it means nothing without further information anyway :) |
| 22:03.13 | nicoli_s | jnwhiteh, have you tried it yet? |
| 22:03.26 | nicoli_s | i played it some this weekend, it was alright |
| 22:05.19 | Lunessa | Cairenn: Are you a crazy cat lady? <3 <3 |
| 22:05.25 | Cairenn | I have 2 |
| 22:05.30 | nicoli_s | and yah, any cat owners already know what that article says |
| 22:05.35 | nicoli_s | i win, i have 3 :P |
| 22:05.38 | Cairenn | I'm also a crazy dog lady too, though, so |
| 22:05.55 | Lunessa | Cairenn: And you're the crazy geek lady - you have lots of those. |
| 22:06.06 | Cairenn | definitely! |
| 22:06.23 | foxlit | Best part: "They learn how to do this, and then they do it quite deliberately " -- Karen McComb, University of Sussex |
| 22:06.35 | foxlit | And then there's a portrait of a cat above that quote |
| 22:07.44 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWiS-ATijcs&feature=related |
| 22:08.52 | alestane | Lunessa: Munroe was actually talking about http://omegle.com/. |
| 22:09.09 | Ackis | nichdu: I have 3 and a dog! |
| 22:09.12 | Ackis | damnit |
| 22:09.16 | Ackis | nicoli_s: I have 3 and a dog |
| 22:09.17 | Lunessa | alestane: Ah |
| 22:09.23 | NeoTron | tem|work: IANAL but I don't actually see anything in the NDA preventing me mentioning that I'm testing this specific game. not that I will anyway but just saying |
| 22:09.37 | Ackis | NeoTron: what game/ |
| 22:09.54 | NeoTron | I won't say |
| 22:09.58 | NeoTron | since IANAL |
| 22:10.00 | Ackis | why not? |
| 22:10.02 | NeoTron | NDA |
| 22:10.09 | tem|work | Cairenn, Lunessa: I hate the Crazy Cat Lady. Lamest boss fight the whole instance. |
| 22:10.20 | Ackis | I'm Canadian, your NDA doesn't apply to me |
| 22:10.33 | tem|work | NeoTron: *shrug* |
| 22:10.54 | tem|work | oh yay it's 5 |
| 22:10.58 | tem|work | goes home |
| 22:13.46 | Lunessa | drops cats on tem|work's lap - hilarity ensures. |
| 22:19.36 | Lunessa | Haha... The propensity of people to believe a distant "daddy figure" will do everything for them amuses me. A student is complaining to me that their custom domain/hosting agreement has expired for their organization and they want me to fix it. |
| 22:21.25 | alestane | Is it an agreement with you? |
| 22:22.00 | foxlit | Fix it, Obi-Wan-Lunessa! |
| 22:22.19 | Lunessa | alestane: No, we don't do hosting or domain registration. |
| 22:22.57 | alestane | So, someone else has an agreement with a third party, and wants you to put renewing that agreement on their behalf on your OMT list? |
| 22:24.09 | Lunessa | Not only is it an agreement with a third party, it's an agreement between two entities unrelated to me. |
| 22:24.45 | NeoTron | Lunessa - solver of problems |
| 22:25.04 | Lunessa | Lunessa - laugher at idiots. That's my "Indian Name" |
| 22:26.09 | Cide | Adys: should hit me up with an invite if you have! |
| 22:26.28 | Adys | Cide: invite? |
| 22:26.48 | Cide | heroes of newerth~~ |
| 22:27.04 | Cide | nevermind, a friend of mine apparently has 18.... |
| 22:27.18 | Adys | Cide, did you read my link earlier on? |
| 22:27.27 | Cide | no |
| 22:27.28 | Cide | oh |
| 22:27.29 | Cide | that one |
| 22:27.29 | Cide | yes |
| 22:27.30 | Adys | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/bazaar/2009q3/060478.html |
| 22:27.36 | Adys | what do you think? |
| 22:27.39 | Cide | not a bad idea |
| 22:27.43 | Cide | you ragequit before I could reply |
| 22:27.48 | Adys | its called dc |
| 22:27.49 | Adys | asshole. |
| 22:28.38 | Adys | I think Ill get working on it once bibi chills down with the db feature requests |
| 22:29.36 | Shirik | ok C# |
| 22:29.39 | Shirik | now you're just being stupid |
| 22:29.41 | Shirik | http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/5zyxe13x(VS.71).aspx |
| 22:29.57 | Shirik | long is not allowed to be volatile, but just about everything else is |
| 22:30.07 | Adys | your mom is volatile. |
| 22:30.14 | Adys | night all, back to greece |
| 22:30.19 | Bibi | making it work with the most used browser on earth isn't a feature request. |
| 22:30.22 | Bibi | go fuck yourself. |
| 22:30.26 | Bibi | hope you die in the plane. |
| 22:30.40 | Adys | you know you're gonna be sued real hard if my plane crashes |
| 22:30.47 | Adys | thats a risk you gotta take |
| 22:30.52 | Bibi | Like I'll care, I'll be busy finding another dev :/ |
| 22:31.02 | Adys | anyway gtfo you can't even have hello world in html |
| 22:32.15 | Shirik | what was that? |
| 22:32.18 | Shirik | I missed something |
| 22:32.29 | Bibi | :D |
| 22:32.32 | Cide | Bibi: supporting ie? :P |
| 22:32.45 | Bibi | I'm not supporting it, but others people do :/ |
| 22:32.55 | Cide | is that what you wanted him to do? |
| 22:33.07 | Bibi | yeah the CSS is bugged to hell with IE |
| 22:33.15 | Cide | yeah, ie sucks |
| 22:33.16 | Bibi | (Note: if anyone know a little about that, I'd be happy to hear from him) |
| 22:33.27 | Bibi | (I will pay) |
| 22:33.37 | Bibi | (with my friendship, it's priceless) |
| 22:33.45 | Cide | (price-less) |
| 22:56.05 | Cairenn | messing around with some stuff on my system, apologies for any spamming I inadvertently do |
| 22:57.55 | ScytheBlade1 | http://code.google.com/p/neatx/ |
| 22:57.59 | ScytheBlade1 | I may actually use NX now |
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| 23:32.23 | laeg | can is be said that the patch will not be this wednesday? |
| 23:32.34 | laeg | just i've reached 70 and the flying mounts are giving me funny looks... |
| 23:33.44 | alestane | I will be surprised if it drops tomorrow. |
| 23:33.53 | alestane | tomorrow/Wednesday. |
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| 23:34.11 | alestane | That doesn't mean it won't happen, of course, just that I don't expect it to. |
| 23:35.15 | foxlit | I miss %b :( |
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| 23:37.23 | bleeter | have we all seen http://wechoosethemoon.org/ yet? |
| 23:37.44 | foxlit | bleeter: massive loading fail? |
| 23:37.55 | bleeter | foxlit: worked fine for me |
| 23:37.58 | alestane | foxlit: The Lua string pattern? |
| 23:38.13 | foxlit | bleeter: o.aolcdn.com fails for me |
| 23:38.16 | foxlit | alestane: yes. |
| 23:38.35 | alestane | Is this because you're working in something other than Lua? |
| 23:38.50 | bleeter | foxlit: I opened aolcdn to pass thru noscript, and it worked for me /shrug |
| 23:39.00 | foxlit | bleeter: In fact, that's my own fault: I blacklisted their entire domain. |
| 23:39.09 | bleeter | :P |
| 23:39.10 | foxlit | alestane: Yes. |
| 23:39.28 | bleeter | foxlit: that's one of those moments us stupid people cherish ;) |
| 23:43.05 | foxlit | perl regex can actually do balanced expressions, but the syntax requires you to sacrifice a goat. |
| 23:43.32 | Lunessa | and a chicken. And check 3 websites. And pray more. |
| 23:45.17 | bleeter | Lunessa: no sacrificing of Nechckn! |
| 23:45.29 | bleeter | well, without large donations of booze n ... i dunno.. cash n stuffs |
| 23:45.41 | Nechckn | $$ is appreciated |
| 23:45.43 | Lunessa | I thought that would be your stance. |
| 23:45.50 | Nechckn | We can always breed more |
| 23:46.24 | bleeter | Nechckn: Get your own pullets! I ain't breeding with ya! |
| 23:49.57 | Nechckn | If I'm dead, it will be up to you to cross-polinate with a nice hen, sheepy. |
| 23:50.21 | Nechckn | provides the helpful insight that 'They like it rough'. |
