| 00:00.01 | airtonix | very small rocks |
| 00:00.11 | Shirik | NightHawkTheSane, have you figured it out yet? |
| 00:00.12 | MuNk | still to the quest does it have a string length function? |
| 00:00.12 | Cairenn | smacks drfuzzykins |
| 00:00.12 | drfuzzykins | :D |
| 00:00.20 | Jamash | airtonix: calculi? |
| 00:00.22 | NightHawkTheSane | Shirik: i didn |
| 00:00.26 | NightHawkTheSane | i didn't really try |
| 00:00.29 | Shirik | ok, google the result |
| 00:00.35 | Shirik | lua> tonumber(tostring(math.sqrt(2) / 2):sub(1,5)) * 1000 |
| 00:00.36 | lua_bot | Shirik: 707 |
| 00:00.54 | Jamash | Boeing? |
| 00:01.00 | Tuller | MuNk: #string? |
| 00:01.05 | Shirik | we have a winner! |
| 00:01.49 | Cide- | proof: clearly, some numbers are uninteresting (example: 6). therefore, there must be a smallest interesting number (due to the well-ordering principle). being the least interesting number, this number is clearly not interesting. thus, no numbers are interesting |
| 00:02.00 | MuNk | in cpp, delphi etc.. you have length(); which returnes the length of a string. just asking of Lua has same type of function? |
| 00:02.06 | NightHawkTheSane | 6 is a pretty interesting number |
| 00:02.07 | Jamash | ~lart Cide |
| 00:02.08 | purl | overclocks Cide until Cide burns out |
| 00:02.28 | foxlit | "being the least interesting number, this number is clearly not interesting. " << does not follow |
| 00:02.36 | Jamash | it's a pun |
| 00:02.46 | Jamash | least meaning smallest and least meaning extremely not |
| 00:03.15 | aesir | I'm pretty sure 1 is the loneliest number, though 2 can be as a bad as 1; it's the loneliest number since the number .1 |
| 00:03.19 | Shirik | I think you missed a step, Cide |
| 00:03.22 | Jamash | he did |
| 00:03.26 | Cide- | yeah, maybe |
| 00:03.32 | Shirik | There must be a smallest interesting number. There must also be a largest interesting number. |
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| 00:03.43 | Cide- | I don't think that's a requirement |
| 00:03.49 | Shirik | oh I see what you did |
| 00:03.49 | Shirik | nm |
| 00:03.52 | Jamash | you're both doing it wrong |
| 00:03.59 | Thunder_Child | ~lart aesir |
| 00:03.59 | purl | throws aesir's poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 00:04.11 | foxlit | The smallest non-interesting number must be interesting. |
| 00:04.21 | foxlit | Therefore, all numbers are interesting. |
| 00:04.42 | Shirik | a -> b, therefore z -> b |
| 00:04.45 | Shirik | got it |
| 00:04.48 | Shirik | definitely logical proof |
| 00:04.51 | Jamash | he left a few steps out |
| 00:04.51 | aesir | Considering the whole infinity thing, I suppose a calculus person would say that all numbers are interesting because some numbers are interesting. |
| 00:05.34 | foxlit | If anything, a -> b -> ... -> c |
| 00:05.40 | Shirik | here we go |
| 00:05.48 | Jamash | Proof that all positive integers are interesting: Step one: Find the smallest uninteresting number |
| 00:05.54 | Shirik | Assume for any two numbers a and b, there exists a number c on the interval [a,b] that is interesting |
| 00:06.15 | Jamash | Step two: That number has the property of being the smallest uninteresting positive integer |
| 00:06.21 | Shirik | -infinity is interesting, +infinity is interesting |
| 00:06.25 | Shirik | Therefore all numbers are interesting |
| 00:06.32 | Jamash | Step three: That, by itself, is interesting |
| 00:06.39 | Cide- | prove there exists a number c |
| 00:06.44 | aesir | Would that also mean that there are an infinite number of uninteresting numbers? |
| 00:06.47 | Jamash | Step four: Therefore, the smallest uninteresting number is interesting. |
| 00:06.53 | Shirik | Cide-: There doesn't. It's a letter. |
| 00:06.57 | drfuzzykins | Jamash: but what about 34? That's a pretty uninteresting number. |
| 00:07.05 | Cide- | Assume for any two numbers a and b, there exists a number c on the interval [a,b] that is interesting |
| 00:07.13 | drfuzzykins | I'm not even vaguely interested in 34. |
| 00:07.16 | Shirik | Ok, so we have to prove that |
| 00:07.18 | Shirik | it's quite simple |
| 00:07.24 | Jamash | Step five: We have proven a contradiction, therefore there is no least interesting number. |
| 00:07.30 | Shirik | Prove a situation where there is NOT an interesting number there |
| 00:07.37 | Jamash | Step six: Therefore, all positive integers are interesting. |
| 00:07.41 | Shirik | sorry, I should say for any two INTERESTING numbers a and b |
| 00:07.41 | Cide- | that's the wrong way to go about it Shirik ;) |
| 00:07.52 | foxlit | There can be no smallest uninteresting number because such a number would automatically be interesting. Therefore, there are no uninteresting numbers. |
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| 00:08.06 | Shirik | oo |
| 00:08.07 | Jamash | foxlit: that's what I just said |
| 00:08.14 | Shirik | that's pretty win right there |
| 00:08.16 | Cide- | that's the actual proof |
| 00:08.24 | Cide- | I turned it upside down |
| 00:08.26 | Shirik | however |
| 00:08.33 | Shirik | does not uninteresting -> interesting? |
| 00:08.39 | Jamash | yes |
| 00:08.40 | Cide- | yes |
| 00:08.47 | Shirik | It could just be mediocre |
| 00:08.56 | Cide- | you're used to that concept I bet |
| 00:09.01 | Shirik | If every number is interesting, then by definition none of them are interesting |
| 00:09.02 | foxlit | Jamash: you messed about with steps and "positive integers" -- this seems easier. |
| 00:09.14 | Corrodias | uninteresting is not the opposite of interesting, though. it's just the lack of interest |
| 00:09.22 | Corrodias | the opposite of interest would be, like, intentional avoidance |
| 00:09.34 | drfuzzykins | Shirik seems right, there's no uninteresting numbers, but that doesn't mean they're all interesting |
| 00:09.36 | Jamash | "34 is the ninth distinct biprime and has four divisors including unity and itself. Its neighbors, 33 and 35 also are distinct biprimes having four divisors each, and 34 is the smallest number to be surrounded by numbers with the same number of divisors as it has. It is also in the first cluster of three distinct biprime, being within; 33,34,35, the next such cluster of biprimes is; 85,86,87." |
| 00:10.07 | drfuzzykins | yeah but what number doesn't have any properties? that's boring. |
| 00:10.08 | aesir | I think it's relative, this whole interesting | uninteresting thing. I mean, if you put an uninteresting number on a train, and an interesting number on a train traveling at night in the opposite direction, they'd both be pretty interesting as the trains drew nearer. |
| 00:10.21 | Shirik | drfuzzykins: Ones that aren't C# |
| 00:10.24 | drfuzzykins | aesir: rofl |
| 00:10.31 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.54 | drfuzzykins | Shirik: C# is a number now? |
| 00:11.00 | Shirik | C# numbers can have properties! |
| 00:11.20 | drfuzzykins | not really |
| 00:11.29 | Jamash | C#.interesting = false |
| 00:11.36 | drfuzzykins | I say Double.IsNaN(x) not x.IsNaN |
| 00:11.36 | Shirik | extensions! |
| 00:11.50 | drfuzzykins | extension methods are phoneys! |
| 00:11.52 | Shirik | can you do extension properties? |
| 00:11.59 | drfuzzykins | I don't think so :P |
| 00:12.02 | Shirik | You should |
| 00:12.15 | drfuzzykins | extension methods require parameters for C# syntax |
| 00:12.20 | Shirik | I really do hate the concept of extension methods though |
| 00:12.22 | drfuzzykins | and C# does not support properties with parameters |
| 00:12.29 | drfuzzykins | like var, they work for LINQ |
| 00:12.33 | drfuzzykins | nothing. else. |
| 00:12.37 | Shirik | they don't really require parameters though |
| 00:12.42 | aesir | I don't know about c# extensions, but these extensions are pretty sharp. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/04/08/article-1168459-045A8CE9000005DC-320_634x707_popup.jpg |
| 00:12.43 | Shirik | they require parameters in bytecode, that's it |
| 00:12.43 | drfuzzykins | syntactically |
| 00:13.06 | drfuzzykins | public static bool PrintMe(this string x) |
| 00:13.19 | Shirik | ah yeah |
| 00:13.20 | drfuzzykins | that's what I mean |
| 00:13.24 | Shirik | ok well |
| 00:13.29 | Shirik | I'll just have them invent a new keyword for C# 4 |
| 00:13.40 | Shirik | It's not like they have enough keywords already |
| 00:13.42 | Shirik | they need some more |
| 00:13.53 | drfuzzykins | they have very few compared to C++ |
| 00:13.57 | Shirik | uh, no |
| 00:14.01 | drfuzzykins | some are only keywords in context too |
| 00:14.02 | Shirik | C++ definitely has less keywords |
| 00:14.04 | drfuzzykins | like yield |
| 00:14.06 | Shirik | and that's broken |
| 00:14.08 | Shirik | very broken |
| 00:14.11 | Thunder_Child | well thats interesting, i jumped off a cliff, hit the ground taking leathal damge yet had enough time to jump off that cliff as well |
| 00:14.13 | Shirik | a keyword should either be a keyword or not |
| 00:14.20 | Shirik | not "oh I'll be a keyword when I feel like being a keyword" |
| 00:14.35 | drfuzzykins | everyone would LOVE it if "value" was a reserved keyword |
| 00:14.40 | Shirik | it's another way to get into the whole @ mess |
| 00:14.51 | Jamash | keywords are lame |
| 00:15.01 | Jamash | use APL |
| 00:15.05 | Shirik | someone should invent a language that has absolutely no keywords |
| 00:15.07 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.09 | Shirik | like perl, but more operators |
| 00:15.13 | drfuzzykins | BF? |
| 00:15.34 | drfuzzykins | bf has no keywords :P |
| 00:15.54 | bleeter | there's a BF interpreter for WoW out there |
| 00:15.55 | bleeter | somewhere |
| 00:15.55 | Shirik | Does scheme have keywords? |
| 00:16.01 | Shirik | I don't know scheme |
| 00:16.02 | Jamash | lots |
| 00:16.16 | Shirik | They should just replace the keywords with parentheses |
| 00:16.27 | Jamash | (((((()())))))()()((((((()))(()()()))))))))))) |
| 00:16.29 | aesir | bf was the lab language used to destroy minds, right? |
| 00:16.31 | Shirik | exactly |
| 00:16.37 | Shirik | that could be like |
| 00:16.46 | Shirik | int ()() = ()()() + ()() |
| 00:16.51 | airtonix | reminds me of markdown or textile |
| 00:16.57 | Shirik | omg yes |
| 00:17.00 | Shirik | a language without numbers |
| 00:17.06 | Jamash | there's unlambda |
| 00:17.09 | Shirik | all numbers are done in parentheses |
| 00:17.11 | Shirik | oh yeah unlambda |
| 00:17.13 | Shirik | damn |
| 00:17.14 | Shirik | they beat me |
| 00:17.27 | Shirik | that is a great language |
| 00:17.37 | Shirik | I still can't believe it works |
| 00:17.39 | airtonix | http://www.madore.org/~david/programs/unlambda/#what_looks |
| 00:18.19 | Adys | [02:16:27] <Jamash> (((((()())))))()()((((((()))(()()()))))))))))) |
| 00:18.22 | Adys | LISP! |
| 00:18.43 | Shirik | no, that's a dialect of lisp we just invented |
| 00:18.53 | Jamash | Adys: welcome to three minutes ago |
| 00:18.55 | Shirik | the parentheses indicate keywords |
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| 00:19.06 | Shirik | there are no keywords, only sequences of parentheses |
| 00:19.12 | Adys | Im disconnected half the time |
| 00:19.16 | Jamash | you could totally make that turing complete |
| 00:19.21 | Shirik | you could |
| 00:21.54 | theorbtwo | Somebody has, I think. |
| 00:22.22 | Shirik | here we go |
| 00:22.28 | Shirik | we were discussing earlier C++'s auto keyword |
| 00:22.59 | Shirik | std::mt19937 engine; |
| 00:22.59 | Shirik | auto generator = std::bind(distribution, engine); |
| 00:22.59 | Shirik | int random = generator(); // Generate a uniform integral variate between 0 and 99. |
| 00:23.31 | Shirik | sorry, missed a line: std::uniform_int_distribution<int> distribution(0, 99) |
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| 00:31.22 | Jamash | I downloaded the Android tools and am trying to write a simple app |
| 00:31.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Simple is kind of... not when you have four entry points |
| 00:31.54 | Jamash | yeah huh |
| 00:32.13 | Jamash | it took me hours to get a basic dropdown box to work with integer elements |
| 00:32.36 | Jamash | but that's partially because I haven't used Java in years |
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| 00:36.13 | Jamash | int != Integer makes me rage |
| 00:36.41 | ScytheBlade1 | Meh. Not as confusing as converting an int to a String. |
| 00:36.49 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/65422/food/ |
| 00:36.53 | Adys | is the tooltip too confusing? |
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| 00:37.08 | ScytheBlade1 | int/Integer 'clashes' will at least give you an informative error |
| 00:37.35 | Jamash | I spent most of the hours trying to figure out how to convert an array of ints to an array of Integers without using a for loop |
| 00:37.42 | Jamash | answer: you can't |
| 00:37.52 | ScytheBlade1 | ... why would you avoid a for loop? |
| 00:38.10 | Jamash | for loops are for languages with deficient control constructs |
| 00:38.18 | ScytheBlade1 | I see |
| 00:38.22 | ScytheBlade1 | leaves that one alone |
| 00:38.26 | Adys | hes right |
| 00:38.28 | Adys | python > * |
| 00:38.53 | NightHawkTheSane | agrees with ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:39.32 | Adys | I rarely use for loops, I dont think Ive got a single while loop in the database/parser/whatever other tools |
| 00:39.43 | Adys | list mapping fuckah. |
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| 00:40.34 | Adys | return len(set([k.slot for k in items if k.slot not in multislots])) + len([k for k in items if k.slot in multislots]) |
| 00:40.36 | Adys | oh yeah |
| 00:40.49 | ScytheBlade1 | there is totally a for loop in there |
| 00:40.56 | Adys | its list mapping |
| 00:41.05 | Adys | its equivalent |
| 00:41.06 | ScytheBlade1 | Doesn't make it any less of a loop! |
| 00:41.08 | Adys | but TEN TIMES SEXIER |
| 00:41.09 | Jamash | in perl it would be easy to convert a list of ints to objects except you *don't have to* |
| 00:41.24 | Adys | also its more efficient than loops |
| 00:41.32 | Jamash | the whole primitive type / object type thing in Java makes me sad and angry |
| 00:41.47 | Adys | hey |
| 00:41.48 | Adys | ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:41.56 | ScytheBlade1 | sup |
| 00:42.50 | Adys | print "".join(['#%i (%s): %s' % (id, new[id]["name_enus"], ", ".join(['%s changed from %s to %s' % (column, old[id][column], new[id][column]) for column in old[id].dict() if column != "_reclen" and column in new[id].structure.column_names and old[id][column] != new[id][column]])) for id in old.keys() if id in new and new[id] != old[id]]) |
| 00:42.56 | Adys | thats one of my files. |
| 00:42.57 | Jamash | ouch |
| 00:43.20 | ScytheBlade1 | and that's a good thing? |
| 00:43.27 | ScytheBlade1 | That is also filled with loops |
| 00:43.36 | Jamash | are writing a SQL parser in Python or something? |
| 00:43.37 | Adys | its filled with list mappings |
| 00:43.40 | ScytheBlade1 | You can dress them up and put cheap makeup on them, but they're still loops |
| 00:43.41 | Adys | not a single loop |
| 00:43.42 | Jamash | s/are/are you/ |
| 00:44.09 | Adys | Jamash: its just some tool to compare two dbc files |
| 00:44.15 | Jamash | hey guess how you add the elements of two arrays a and b in APL |
| 00:44.17 | Adys | and output an entire list of html results |
| 00:44.36 | Cide- | that really should be about 5 lines Adys |
| 00:44.42 | Jamash | guess guess guess |
| 00:44.42 | Adys | fuck off |
| 00:44.44 | Adys | its a single line |
| 00:44.47 | Adys | its better |
| 00:44.50 | Cide- | but shouldn't be :P |
| 00:44.56 | ScytheBlade1 | 20:43 < ScytheBlade1> and that's a good thing? |
| 00:45.02 | Adys | ITS BETTER OMG GUYS |
| 00:45.05 | Adys | didnt you hear |
| 00:45.09 | Jamash | nobody's guessing :( |
| 00:45.13 | ScytheBlade1 | senses that he is being trolled |
| 00:45.22 | Adys | is that your single-line sense |
| 00:45.26 | Adys | its actually 3 lines |
| 00:45.29 | Adys | er |
| 00:45.29 | Adys | 4 |
| 00:45.38 | Cide- | Adys: make the effects hidden by default |
| 00:45.46 | Adys | import sys, wdbc |
| 00:45.46 | Adys | old, new = sys.argv[1:] |
| 00:45.46 | Adys | old, new = wdbc.fopen(old), wdbc.fopen(new) |
| 00:45.50 | Adys | and that monster. |
| 00:45.51 | Jamash | the answer is: a + b |
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| 00:47.30 | Adys | Cide-: what effects? |
| 00:47.50 | Cide- | http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/65422/food/ |
| 00:47.55 | Adys | oh |
| 00:47.56 | Adys | yeah |
| 00:48.09 | Adys | i was supposed to store hidden state in a cookie |
| 00:48.13 | Adys | i got busy. |
| 00:50.05 | NeoTron | cookie.. food... har har |
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| 01:17.42 | Thunder_Child | "A man walks into a pharmacy and wanders up & down the aisles. The sales girl notices him and asks him if she can help him. He answers that he is looking for a box of tampons for his wife. She directs him down the correct aisle. A few minutes later, he deposits a huge bag of cotton balls and a ball of string on the counter. She says, confused, "Sir, I thought you were looking for some tampons for your wife? He answers, "You see, it's like this, yeste |
| 01:18.03 | Cairenn | You cut off: "You see, it's like this, yeste ...." |
| 01:18.14 | Thunder_Child | "yesterday, I sent my wife to the store to get me a carton of cigarettes, and she came back with a tin of tobacco and some rolling papers; cause it's sooo-ooo--oo-ooo much cheaper. So, I figure if I have to roll my own .......... so does she." |
| 01:18.33 | Cairenn | oh my |
| 01:18.37 | Cairenn | BAD plan |
| 01:18.48 | Thunder_Child | sure, but it was fine for the wife |
| 01:19.13 | Thunder_Child | he should have bought some hairnets as well |
| 01:19.36 | ScytheBlade1 | . . . |
| 01:28.34 | bleeter | resists |
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| 01:31.12 | Thunder_Child | injects bleeter with a syringe full of Sodium thiopental |
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| 01:33.07 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: I had a 'moment' the other day in the pharmacy, been a while since I'd bought condoms didn't recognise any of the brands... almost asked the chick behind the counter if I could try some on then realised that convo would go nowhere REAL fast with bells on.. and prolly much pyrotechnics too |
| 01:33.47 | Thunder_Child | i dunno bleeter, it could have gone somewhere |
| 01:33.52 | Thunder_Child | for better or worse |
| 01:34.18 | bleeter | mate, for starters you're more attractive than she was |
| 01:34.25 | bleeter | and I ain't seen you! :P |
| 01:35.14 | Thunder_Child | oh? i thought you have looked through the blizzcon pics before |
| 01:35.15 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: I think that was too much C11H17N2O2SNa.. I can't stop!!! |
| 01:35.44 | bleeter | bloke walks in to a jewellers, slaps his john thomas on the bench. says to the chick behind the counter 'can you put two hands and a face on that?' |
| 01:36.12 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: oh, well name<>pic association is absent then |
| 01:36.15 | bleeter | prolly a good thing ;) |
| 01:36.21 | Thunder_Child | agreed |
| 01:37.10 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, N2 not N20 |
| 01:37.41 | Thunder_Child | "C11H17N2NaO2S" |
| 01:38.07 | bleeter | leaves it to Thunder_Child to edit the wikipedia page & redirects |
| 01:38.42 | tem | bleeter, wth is a john thomas? |
| 01:38.43 | Thunder_Child | seems to be a redirect from something else |
| 01:38.50 | Thunder_Child | tem, a watch or a penis |
| 01:38.54 | Thunder_Child | your call |
| 01:39.26 | bleeter | tem: I'm tempted to tell you to look in a mirror ;) :P |
| 01:39.37 | tem | *glare* |
| 01:39.51 | bleeter | tem: I just looked up what you said, and noticed the redirect notice at the top of the page |
| 01:40.12 | tem | misping? |
| 01:40.30 | bleeter | yeah |
| 01:40.33 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: ^^^ |
| 01:40.48 | Thunder_Child | fail bleeter |
| 01:40.50 | bleeter | tem: you need to go watch Monty Python's Meaning Of Life a few more dozen times |
| 01:40.59 | bleeter | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 01:41.00 | purl | You suck at everything in life, Thunder_Child. I hate you because you fail. |
| 01:41.03 | Thunder_Child | i think i have that sitting next to me |
| 01:41.12 | tem | sorry I don't immediately understand foreign slang |
| 01:41.21 | bleeter | it's not foreign! |
| 01:41.25 | Thunder_Child | i did. you failure |
| 01:41.36 | bleeter | gimme a break, it's the weekend... shouldn't have to translate for illiterates on weekends! |
| 01:42.16 | bleeter | on the subject of translating for illiterates... |
| 01:42.30 | bleeter | flees from the OpenSSL/NSS/GnuTLS bitching in #pidgin |
| 01:46.15 | Thunder_Child | wtf...newegg sent out a promo code for an i7 920, but they also just added a 6 issue free mag sub with the 920, but the promo codes dont work with combos....which means it negates the discount |
| 01:46.33 | bleeter | hmm actually, we moved on to burning down berkeley and on to getting rid of sockets |
| 01:46.38 | Thunder_Child | and you cant not get the mag sub |
| 01:46.39 | bleeter | so all's good again |
| 01:48.12 | foxlit | http://site.despair.com/clearance/ |
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| 01:55.40 | Thunder_Child | procrastinates more |
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| 01:56.19 | bleeter | puts off procrastinating until next week |
| 02:04.41 | kd3 | gasp, a ptr update |
| 02:04.46 | kd3 | fires up wget |
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| 02:07.55 | Hjalte | They should release the 5-man in EU :( |
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| 02:20.57 | kd3 | emails away |
| 02:21.33 | Thunder_Child | and received |
| 02:22.24 | kd3 | heh. -p's not all that smart |
| 02:22.59 | kd3 | and whee, a green frame in the quest log |
| 02:23.25 | kd3 | ! 16203 strings? |
| 02:24.42 | Stanzilla | so I just pressed some random buttons while my mail client was open |
| 02:24.45 | Stanzilla | and now your email is gone :( |
| 02:24.55 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.28 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.57 | Stanzilla | just found it in the trash :P |
| 02:26.13 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: curious. Can gmail add headers? I want to setup a filter |
| 02:26.42 | kd3 | no, but I can put whatever string you want in the subject line. |
| 02:26.47 | kd3 | 'interface diff'? |
| 02:26.56 | ScytheBlade1 | sure, that'd work |
| 02:28.03 | ScytheBlade1 | "[kd3's thankless not-paid job]" would be cool too |
| 02:28.04 | ScytheBlade1 | ;) |
| 02:28.17 | kd3 | meh, I'm scripting more of it as time goes by |
| 02:57.06 | kd3 | zomg; they're finally fixing the floating point errors in the options frames? |
| 03:05.10 | Arrowmaster | kd3: the hack for it in the ui code they just added? |
| 03:05.27 | kd3 | meh. now that I realize what they're doing... not so much |
| 03:05.33 | kd3 | a better fix would've been nice |
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| 03:05.49 | kd3 | grrs every time he sees 0.6000000485050 |
| 03:06.01 | Arrowmaster | yeah like using 64bit doubles instead of 32bit floats in the game engine for those settings |
| 03:06.05 | Thunder_Child | 0.6000000485050 |
| 03:10.20 | theorbtwo | Boggle. |
| 03:10.30 | theorbtwo | The right way is to round. |
| 03:10.40 | theorbtwo | ...or to use integer arithmetic. |
| 03:11.13 | theorbtwo | Moving to doubles just makes the problem move right a few decimal places. It won't get rid of it, and it *will* slow things down. |
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| 03:14.48 | Shirik | huggles kd3 |
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| 03:19.29 | kd3 | sigh at having to bitch at qa because the lore guys can't keep their names straight |
| 03:19.57 | ccox | sighs at kd3 for stressing over something that minor |
| 03:20.15 | Shirik | sighs at ccox for discouraging kd3 |
| 03:20.16 | kd3 | I can't name the article on the wiki about it three things at once |
| 03:20.26 | Shirik | sure you can |
| 03:20.58 | ccox | it's a bug, don't stress, just report it and let it go |
| 03:21.18 | ccox | "fly free little bug report...." |
| 03:21.30 | Shirik | who lets bugs fly free |
| 03:21.31 | Shirik | wtf |
| 03:21.36 | Shirik | stomp them into the dir |
| 03:21.37 | Shirik | dirt |
| 03:21.41 | Shirik | die die die |
| 03:21.52 | ScytheBlade1 | ...... |
| 03:22.05 | ccox | bug report: an official order to go stomp a bug |
| 03:22.19 | ScytheBlade1 | You know, remove ccox's statements, and you realize how truly insane Shirik is |
| 03:22.40 | ccox | nah, even with my comments he sounds insane |
| 03:23.03 | ScytheBlade1 | sure, but take them away and the full force of it comes into play |
| 03:24.02 | Shirik | I had some drinks so it's not fair |
| 03:25.24 | theorbtwo | kd3: Bob Dole (disambugation) |
| 03:25.48 | Fisker | Shiriks Shirik |
| 03:26.02 | Fisker | I thought it was sunday :( |
| 03:26.21 | theorbtwo | shanks Shirk |
| 03:27.38 | ccox | pats Shirik "it's ok, we know that's just the Haldol talking" |
| 03:28.39 | ccox | stuck at "authenticating" - that can't be good |
| 03:29.43 | Shirik | Haldol? |
| 03:30.54 | ccox | also known as haloperidol |
| 03:34.14 | Shirik | lua> 0.1 * 3 == 3/10 |
| 03:34.14 | lua_bot | Shirik: false |
| 03:34.22 | Shirik | can anyone think of a simpler expression conveying the same? |
| 03:36.26 | Thunder_Child | convaing the same what? |
| 03:36.35 | Thunder_Child | conveying* |
| 03:36.46 | Corrodias | that .3 <> 3/10? |
| 03:36.49 | ccox | that floating point math is not precise? |
| 03:37.06 | ccox | that's about as simple as you can get |
| 03:37.49 | Arrowmaster | 32bit floats are not precise enough for that, 64bit doubles are fine though |
| 03:38.04 | Shirik | well it's an academic excersize |
| 03:38.11 | ccox | but similar expressions will fail for doubles as well |
| 03:38.27 | ccox | and if you throw in INF and NaN, you can always screw up IEEE754 math |
| 03:38.47 | Cide- | lua> math.sqrt(2) == 2^(0.1*5) |
| 03:38.47 | lua_bot | Cide-: true |
| 03:38.50 | Cide- | huh. |
| 03:39.05 | Arrowmaster | you have to get a lot farther out there to mess with a double though |
| 03:39.05 | Shirik | Oh I rely on some of that for Auctioneer, ccox |
| 03:39.06 | Shirik | if you look at the market pricing code |
| 03:39.13 | Shirik | you'll see some strange things like "if a ~= a then" |
| 03:39.28 | ccox | Shirik - ah, testing for NaNs explicitly - good |
| 03:39.36 | Shirik | well it's a possible scenario |
| 03:39.37 | ccox | most people forget about NaNs, until it's too late |
| 03:39.50 | Cide- | it's rarely an issue |
| 03:39.53 | Cide- | lua> 0/0 == 0/0 |
| 03:39.57 | lua_bot | Cide-: false |
| 03:39.59 | ccox | and most people don't think and INF creeping into their calculations |
| 03:39.59 | Shirik | it is in that area :) |
| 03:40.08 | ccox | (and infinity does not play well with others) |
| 03:40.23 | Shirik | infinity is a loner |
| 03:40.32 | Shirik | very far away from all the other numbers |
| 03:40.35 | Shirik | very shy |
| 03:41.25 | Cide- | there are several of them so they're not that lonely |
| 03:41.43 | Shirik | rofl, my guild thinks I'm nuts now |
| 03:41.56 | Shirik | they can't comprehend how I've spent about $5000 on my camera gear, and I don't have a flash |
| 03:41.56 | kd3 | 'now'? |
| 03:41.59 | ccox | You mean they didn't already know? |
| 03:42.21 | Thunder_Child | i thought you already bought a flash with it |
| 03:42.26 | ccox | LOL! Only $5k? Amateur! |
| 03:42.36 | Arrowmaster | wish i had $5000 to send like that |
| 03:42.37 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:42.46 | Shirik | I only have one lens so far |
| 03:42.48 | Shirik | I'm still a student |
| 03:42.53 | Shirik | I can't blow all my money |
| 03:42.58 | Arrowmaster | me too |
| 03:43.10 | Arrowmaster | except i dont really have any money |
| 03:43.22 | sacarasc | I blew all my money on hookers and blackjack. The memories serve me well. |
| 03:49.40 | Thunder_Child | but not as well as more hookers and blackjack |
| 03:50.08 | Thunder_Child | actually Shirik, yes you can. students are not expected to have ANY money. |
| 03:50.36 | Thunder_Child | except for drugs and alcohol |
| 03:52.43 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, http://www.popphoto.com/Features/How-to-Photograph-Fireworks?cid=10 though the fact that they did this AFTER the 4th is major fail. |
| 03:54.17 | Corrodias | but it says "Posted July 1, 2009"... |
| 03:54.43 | Thunder_Child | oh your right...i just havent opened it for 9 days. |
| 03:54.45 | tem | Cide, .99999.... and 1 like each other a lot |
| 03:54.48 | Thunder_Child | ~fail Thunder_Child |
| 03:54.49 | purl | Thunder_Child: FAIL! |
| 03:54.57 | Shirik | huh |
| 03:55.00 | Shirik | they're saying use bulb huh |
| 03:55.35 | Thunder_Child | the shot above the tower is awesome |
| 03:55.40 | Shirik | that's some cool stuff |
| 03:55.52 | Wobin | High Colour Saturation? |
| 03:55.55 | Wobin | Not shoot RAW? =P |
| 03:56.02 | Thunder_Child | they are not exclusive |
| 03:59.14 | tem | rawr |
| 03:59.20 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 03:59.55 | tem | after 4 years of that, I still can't decide if I think it's funny or just dumb |
| 04:02.23 | Shirik | huggles Gryphon |
| 04:02.28 | Gryphon | huggles Shirik |
| 04:06.39 | Shirik | !quote PRIVMSG #wowuidev :pong |
| 04:06.39 | batbot | Shirik, privmsg has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 04:06.39 | Shiibot | pong |
| 04:12.29 | kd3 | !? looks like they tweaked azuregos's and onyxia's models |
| 04:14.13 | tem | ... lol? |
| 04:14.17 | NightHawkTheSane | ...k? |
| 04:14.35 | kd3 | wishes he had a working model viewer |
| 04:14.41 | Fisker | harr Shirik |
| 04:14.45 | Fisker | your bot is lagging |
| 04:14.52 | Thunder_Child | wishes he understood what blizz thought was important |
| 04:15.01 | Fisker | your mom is :( |
| 04:15.54 | Thunder_Child | Fisker, we have gone over this, if you are going to insult me do it well. |
| 04:16.10 | Thunder_Child | otherwise it's just insulting |
| 04:16.42 | Fisker | :( |
| 04:17.40 | tem | ): |
| 04:17.47 | Fisker | :'( |
| 04:18.26 | Shirik | T_T |
| 04:18.36 | Fisker | tt |
| 04:19.30 | Fisker | why so fail Shirik ? |
| 04:19.41 | Shirik | why so win Fisker? |
| 04:19.53 | Fisker | its my nature |
| 04:36.37 | PProvost | If anyone is having login issues, converting your account to battle.net fixes it. Confirmed with 6+ guildies tonight. |
| 04:36.50 | Fisker | old PProvost |
| 04:37.35 | Thunder_Child | i need to start reading more, it took me to my 3rd 70+ char to notice "Demoralizing Mmmrrrggglll" |
| 04:37.51 | Fisker | xD |
| 04:37.53 | kd3 | lol |
| 04:38.03 | kd3 | I laughed at that back in beta |
| 04:38.03 | Fisker | slaps PProvost around a bit with a large trout |
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| 04:55.55 | Thunder_Child | found Shirik's theme song |
| 04:57.26 | Shirik | well? |
| 04:57.41 | Thunder_Child | Kodachrome |
| 05:02.40 | Shirik | lol |
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| 05:08.11 | NightHawkTheSane | ckknight: ping? |
| 05:08.23 | ckknight | NightHawkTheSane: pong |
| 05:08.31 | NightHawkTheSane | you doing a panel on wow addons at dragoncon this year? |
| 05:08.41 | ckknight | sure am |
| 05:08.51 | NightHawkTheSane | cool, had a guildy asking me |
| 05:09.00 | ckknight | it's currently called World of Warcraft Addons w/CK |
| 05:09.02 | ckknight | for some reason |
| 05:09.04 | ckknight | :P |
| 05:10.46 | ckknight | tell your guildy to buy me beer |
| 05:11.21 | NightHawkTheSane | she says its easier to sneak in voda :P |
| 05:11.22 | NightHawkTheSane | vodka* |
| 05:11.25 | ckknight | hehe |
| 05:11.54 | ckknight | I like bloody maries |
| 05:12.36 | NightHawkTheSane | she wants to know if you've been to the con before |
| 05:12.52 | ckknight | yea, I did the panel last year |
| 05:12.55 | ckknight | just unofficially |
| 05:12.57 | ckknight | this year it's official |
| 05:13.03 | NightHawkTheSane | neat |
| 05:13.24 | ckknight | yea, last year, I just showed up, introduced myself, and they had me on the panel |
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| 05:20.06 | kd3 | makes a mental note to heckle the panel |
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| 06:07.08 | Shirik | so tired. I will rest for just a moment |
| 06:07.18 | Shirik | if you can define "moment" as 8+ hours |
| 06:07.20 | Shirik | baibai |
| 06:13.51 | Thunder_Child | ~poke sylvanaar |
| 06:13.51 | purl | ACTION cuts down a small tree, sneaks up behind sylvanaar, pokes sylvanaar repeatedly, hilarity ensues. |
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| 06:45.14 | Wobin | ... |
| 06:45.22 | Wobin | That was a pure blood DW tank |
| 06:45.30 | Wobin | (or at least an attempt at one) |
| 06:45.37 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.news.com.au/travel/story/0,28318,25516733-5014090,00.html |
| 06:45.42 | Wobin | cause "DW tanks are better" |
| 06:46.40 | Wobin | NightHawkTheSane: rofl |
| 06:50.36 | Wobin | http://www.smh.com.au/world/anyone-for-snakes-and-adders--with-a-body-contact-twist-20090710-dg22.html |
| 06:50.38 | Wobin | O.O |
| 06:50.44 | Wobin | Why'd It Have To Be Snakes? |
| 06:52.31 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.theonion.com/content/video/mexico_builds_border_wall_to_keep?utm_source=videoembed |
| 06:55.21 | Corrodias | "The rising popularity of the new dance - and subsequent public protests..." |
| 06:55.33 | Corrodias | people were protesting against something the government wasn't even responsible for, i love it |
| 06:56.22 | Dagmar | points at the site name. |
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| 06:56.40 | Corrodias | news.com.au? sounds okay to m |
| 06:56.42 | Corrodias | me |
| 06:57.27 | Dagmar | I thought you were talking about NightHawk's link |
| 06:58.11 | Corrodias | i was. but his first link, not his last one. |
| 06:59.27 | Wobin | http://www.cnn.com/2009/SHOWBIZ/Music/07/09/michael.jackson.uk.waxwork/index.html |
| 06:59.43 | Wobin | Mme Tussauds gives MJ the face he always wanted |
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| 07:04.29 | Dagmar | You never saw the Puppetmaster movies |
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| 07:09.35 | Cairenn | wheee, net splits |
| 07:10.00 | Grum | so many people splitting :( |
| 07:11.03 | Wobin | Was it something you said? |
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| 07:11.59 | Grum | yeah, please split wide |
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| 07:14.27 | Cairenn | Kaelten, ckknight: ping? |
| 07:18.48 | Cairenn | Kaelten, ckknight: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?p=146748#post146748 |
| 07:22.06 | End | ScytheBl1de1 has sucessfully quit? |
| 07:23.31 | ScytheBl1de1 | stupid stupid thing |
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| 07:30.45 | Wobin | Cairenn: interesting idea |
| 07:34.41 | Arrowmaster | Cairenn: i think the person is trying to suggest that addon, but they fail at english |
| 07:34.56 | Cairenn | I'm not sure what they are meaning |
| 07:35.09 | tekkub | so it seems walmart upped the "minimum" age for getting carded for cigarettes to 40 |
| 07:35.21 | Cairenn | but since they said/linked Curse, I figured I'd link Kael and CKK |
| 07:35.29 | tekkub | seriously, just fucking cut ot the chase... card everyone that doesn't appear to be dying of lung cancer |
| 07:35.45 | Arrowmaster | walmart is still evil |
| 07:35.50 | tekkub | well yes |
| 07:36.02 | tekkub | but I'm in the midst of evil here |
| 07:36.04 | tekkub | and it's hot |
| 07:36.10 | Arrowmaster | i still havent stepped foot in the new super walmart they built nearby a few years ago |
| 07:36.22 | tekkub | I have to go all the way over to ft smith to get a target, and they didn't have that till about a year ago |
| 07:36.47 | tekkub | the newest supercenters are freaky |
| 07:36.54 | tekkub | they print double-sided receipts |
| 07:37.05 | tekkub | it's still that thermal paper, I have no idea how they do it |
| 07:37.08 | tekkub | it's the work of the devil |
| 07:37.45 | Arrowmaster | walmart is a bad influence on the music and game industries |
| 07:38.13 | tekkub | but but, why don't you think of the children |
| 07:38.33 | tekkub | what would happe to them if they grew up playing perverted games like Liesure Suit Larry |
| 07:38.36 | tekkub | oh... right... me |
| 07:39.05 | Arrowmaster | but but, thats why you fucking card them too since they already card everybody for cigarettes |
| 07:39.31 | tekkub | but you can't trust the electronics guys |
| 07:39.38 | tekkub | they're all back there in the bak of the store |
| 07:39.49 | tekkub | you can't risk it, just don't sell any games at all |
| 07:40.22 | Arrowmaster | i think the heads of some walmart execs would explode if they knew about some games, like rapelay |
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| 07:43.12 | tekkub | speaking of evil in AR |
| 07:43.27 | tekkub | being back here... watching people go to the stupid casino... |
| 07:43.49 | tekkub | I wish I was native american so I could get in on that action |
| 07:44.00 | tekkub | it's like a whole state of people that can't do math |
| 07:45.06 | Wobin | math is hard! |
| 07:45.10 | Wobin | twirls his hair |
| 07:54.20 | Taroven | Anyone know what it is in X-Perl that adds the cooldown spiral edging? I want that in my ouf layout. =D |
| 07:54.45 | Taroven | (unless it's not xperl doing it... bout to find out) |
| 07:57.07 | Taroven | Yup, that's definitely xperl. |
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| 09:19.42 | Taroven | ~api GetAttribute |
| 09:19.43 | purl | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_GetAttribute |
| 09:19.57 | Taroven | blah. |
| 09:20.19 | Adys | !api GetAttribute |
| 09:20.20 | lua_bot | Frame:GetAttribute: Returns the value of a frame attribute (http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/GetAttribute) |
| 09:20.21 | Adys | use that :) |
| 09:20.32 | Taroven | Ah, heh |
| 09:20.52 | Taroven | Actually just trying to figure out how to modify a buff's cooldownframe. |
| 09:21.09 | Taroven | Was somehow hoping get/setattribute would help there, not sure though... |
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| 10:44.47 | MuNk | who do i save changes to a varible? so when i log out and back in it dont change to default |
| 10:53.48 | Cruciformer | 'lo all |
| 10:54.14 | MuNk | lo |
| 10:54.51 | Cruciformer | Lua newbie question. Is it safe to do: for i = 1, #list do if (condition) then tremove(list,i) end end ? |
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| 10:55.26 | Cruciformer | (where tremove is table.remove of course |
| 10:56.32 | MuNk | from a general programming point of view nothing wrong with a if in a for loop but not recommended unless you have to do it |
| 10:56.47 | Cruciformer | eh? |
| 10:57.07 | Cruciformer | its not an invariant condition whats wrong with an if ina for loop? |
| 10:57.50 | Cruciformer | I was simplifying the pseudo code to ask the question if it is safe to table.remove elements froma table you are iterating over with a for loop. |
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| 11:00.56 | Cruciformer | Adys: you there sir? |
| 11:03.59 | Cairenn | o.O |
| 11:04.05 | Cairenn | sir? Adys? |
| 11:04.07 | Cairenn | snickers |
| 11:05.47 | Cruciformer | Cairenn: I assume allpeople who help me are princess(esses) amongst men :) |
| 11:06.01 | Cairenn | chuckles |
| 11:07.13 | Cruciformer | unless adys is XX and not XY in which case, s/sir/lady/ :) |
| 11:08.24 | Cruciformer | Cairenn: hello btw :) |
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| 11:08.29 | Cairenn | hi hi :) |
| 11:09.29 | Cruciformer | Do you happen to know the answer to my question above? Is it safe to table.remove elements from a table you are traversing with for? Or do I have to use next? |
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| 11:10.05 | Cairenn | I'm not the right person to ask, sorry |
| 11:10.45 | Cruciformer | *splutter* but ... but ... u r the all-knowing, all-wise Cairenn! |
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| 11:20.31 | mikma | cairenn: answer with 8ball |
| 11:20.35 | mikma | ~8ball |
| 11:20.36 | purl | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Very doubtful |
| 11:20.44 | mikma | cruciformer: very doubtful |
| 11:22.02 | Cruciformer | mikma: thanks :) that was about as useful as a bacon and cheese sandwich in a synagogue but I appreciate the effort :) |
| 11:22.12 | cncfanatics1 | why not just try ? |
| 11:22.18 | cncfanatics1 | Make a little test case, and see if you get the expected result |
| 11:22.32 | Cruciformer | cncfanatics1: I am busy doing that furiously with lua_boit in whispers. |
| 11:22.55 | Cruciformer | but it never hurts to actually ask, does it? |
| 11:23.00 | cncfanatics | true enuff |
| 11:25.17 | Adys | Cruciformer, Cairenn, yes? |
| 11:25.27 | Cairenn | giggles |
| 11:27.20 | Cruciformer | Adys: It was just me bugging youagain :) |
| 11:27.32 | Cairenn | and I was being myself |
| 11:27.44 | Cairenn | aka a smart ass ;) |
| 11:28.18 | Cruciformer | Adys: Wanted to know the correct way to remove a table element while iterating the table. |
| 11:29.05 | Cruciformer | but Im experimenting with lua_bot so I think I'll get it eventually. |
| 11:31.38 | VonhintenHOME` | Hmm, ING DIRECT has a savings account that can yield practically CD rates |
| 11:49.38 | kmcguire | I think just setting the value to nil will work just fine. for i, v in pairs(t) do t[i] = nil end. But, table.remove may actually shrink the table some? So it may work differently. |
| 11:50.56 | Pneumatus^^ | why not just wipe(t) |
| 11:52.16 | Beladona | if you are using integer indexes, which I assume you are, it might be better to use for i = 1, #table as I think that using ipairs with table.remove can cause the loop to fail |
| 11:54.01 | batrick | loop will work but you'll only remove half of the elements :) |
| 11:54.19 | Beladona | because youa re essentially skipping elements |
| 11:54.32 | batrick | table.remove is useful for keeping the array consecutive |
| 11:55.03 | Beladona | loop reaches 4, you remove 4, loop continues to 5, which used to be 6 before your remove |
| 11:55.15 | batrick | !lua t = {1,2,3,4} for i in ipairs(t) do table.remove(t, i) end for i,v in ipairs(t) do print(i,v) end |
| 11:55.15 | batbot | batrick: 1 2 2 4 |
| 11:55.23 | batrick | ooo |
| 11:55.27 | batrick | even cooler =) |
| 11:56.10 | Pneumatus^^ | using remove() in a pairs/ipairs loop is unspecified, isnt it? |
| 11:56.10 | batrick | that is kinda weird tho |
| 11:56.10 | Cruciformer | yeah tthe table I am working with is integer indexed, so I guess I cant use for i=1,#list etc. |
| 11:56.27 | Beladona | that is weird |
| 11:56.36 | batrick | Cruciformer: if you intend to remove all elements: for k in pairs(t) do t[k] = nil end |
| 11:56.38 | Cruciformer | I am guessing I have to use next() but I am having a bitch of a time fioguring out how. I'll get it eventually tho :) |
| 11:56.53 | Cruciformer | batrick: Unfortunately its a conditional remove. |
| 11:56.55 | Beladona | maybe if you told us exactly what you wanted to do |
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| 11:56.57 | Pneumatus^^ | why not just wipe(table) :< |
| 11:57.56 | kmcguire | Cruciformer, why not just rewrite the table? for i, v in pairs(t) if condition_true then table.insert(newtable, value) end end |
| 11:58.15 | kmcguire | Then you just let the garbage collector eat the old tables you discard. |
| 11:59.01 | Cruciformer | that is certainly an option, but I'd like to understand how to use next() correctly too since I am now here. |
| 11:59.52 | kmcguire | i, v = next(t, nil) while i ~= nil do print(i, v) i, v = next(t, i) end |
| 12:00.20 | kmcguire | function mynext(t) return next, t, nil end |
| 12:00.39 | kmcguire | oops, mynext is supported to be mypairs(t) |
| 12:01.12 | batrick | Beladona: oops, printing on one line makes everything look weird |
| 12:01.18 | batrick | it worked out how we thought |
| 12:01.42 | Beladona | yeah |
| 12:01.44 | batrick | !lua t = {1,2,3,4} for i in ipairs(t) do table.remove(t, i) end for i,v in ipairs(t) do print("|",i,v,"|") end |
| 12:01.45 | batbot | batrick: | 1 2 | | 2 4 | |
| 12:01.51 | Beladona | I was just looking at it again, it does skip |
| 12:02.11 | Beladona | could still be useful for every other removal, if there was ever a need for that |
| 12:02.57 | Beladona | hmm |
| 12:03.42 | Beladona | !lua t = {1,2,3,4} for i = 1, #t do table.remove(t, i) end for i,v in ipairs(t) do print(i,v) end |
| 12:03.42 | batbot | Beladona: 1 2 2 4 |
| 12:03.42 | batrick | Cruciformer: next(t, k) returns the next key/value pair after key 'k'. If k == nil, next returns the "first" key/value pair, if next returns nil, then 'k' was the last key. |
| 12:03.49 | Beladona | darn same result |
| 12:03.51 | batrick | There is an internal chain of key/value pairs. |
| 12:04.36 | batrick | The problem is my IRC bot replaces newlines with spaces |
| 12:04.54 | Cruciformer | yeah I just figured it out. To remove the number '4' for example: |
| 12:05.45 | Cruciformer | lua> t={1,2,3,4,5} local i,v=next(t) while i do if (v == 4) then table.remove(t,i) end i,v = next(t,i) end print (t) |
| 12:05.45 | lua_bot | Cruciformer: table: 0x8ce9ae8 |
| 12:06.38 | MuNk | in Lua can you do if NOT (A == B) ? |
| 12:06.48 | batrick | a ~= b |
| 12:06.48 | Beladona | a ~= b |
| 12:06.51 | MuNk | ty |
| 12:07.02 | batrick | not (a == b) is equivalent |
| 12:07.03 | Pneumatus^^ | lua> t={1,2,3,4,5} for k,v in ipairs(t) do if v == 4 then t]k |
| 12:07.03 | lua_bot | Pneumatus^^: luabot:1: '=' expected near ']' |
| 12:07.07 | Pneumatus^^ | bleh |
| 12:07.45 | Pneumatus^^ | lua> t={1,2,3,4,5} for k,v in ipairs(t) do if v == 4 then t[k]=nil end; for k,v in pairs(t) print(k, '->',v) |
| 12:07.45 | lua_bot | Pneumatus^^: luabot:1: 'do' expected near 'print' |
| 12:07.48 | Cruciformer | lua> t={1,2,3,4,5} local i,v=next(t) while i do if (v == 4) then table.remove(t,i) end i,v = next(t,i) end for k,v in ipairs(t) do print (v) end |
| 12:07.48 | Pneumatus^^ | zz |
| 12:07.48 | lua_bot | Cruciformer: 1, 2, 3, 5 |
| 12:08.03 | Pneumatus^^ | lua> t={1,2,3,4,5} for k,v in ipairs(t) do if v == 4 then t[k]=nil end; for k,v in pairs(t) do print(k, '->',v) end |
| 12:08.03 | lua_bot | Pneumatus^^: luabot:1: 'end' expected near '<eof>' |
| 12:08.22 | Pneumatus^^ | lua> t={1,2,3,4,5} for k,v in ipairs(t) do if v == 4 then t[k]=nil end end; for k,v in pairs(t) do print(k, '->',v) end |
| 12:08.25 | lua_bot | Pneumatus^^: 1, ->, 1, 2, ->, 2, 3, ->, 3, 5, ->, 5 |
| 12:08.26 | Pneumatus^^ | so there was |
| 12:08.33 | Cruciformer | there that does exactly what I want. I want to remove an element out of the table in the middle of iterating it, and that works. |
| 12:08.56 | Beladona | !lua t={1,2,3,4,5} for k,v in next,t do if (v == 4) then table.remove(t,k) end for k,v in ipairs(t) do print(k . " = " . v . ",") end |
| 12:08.57 | batbot | Beladona: @ [string "t={1,2,3,4,5} for k,v in next,t do if (v == 4) then table.remov..."]:1: '<name>' expected near '" = "' |
| 12:09.02 | Beladona | oops |
| 12:09.37 | Beladona | !lua t={1,2,3,4,5} for k,v in next,t do if (v == 4) then table.remove(t,k) end end for k,v in ipairs(t) do print(k . " = " . v . ",") end |
| 12:09.37 | batbot | Beladona: @ [string "t={1,2,3,4,5} for k,v in next,t do if (v == 4) then table.remov..."]:1: '<name>' expected near '" = "' |
| 12:09.43 | Cruciformer | Beladona: Now change teh condition to "if v == 4 or v == 5" and it wont |
| 12:09.59 | batrick | Cruciformer: use this instead, it would be faster: local i = 0; while i <= #t do if t[i] == 4 then table.remove(t, i) else i = i + 1 end end |
| 12:10.28 | Beladona | that could still skip |
| 12:10.41 | batrick | how so? |
| 12:10.54 | batrick | that local i = 0 should start at 1 by the way too, sorry |
| 12:11.26 | batrick | Cruciformer: your loop has O(n^2) complexity |
| 12:11.27 | Beladona | because you are increating i by 1 each time, and your table shifts |
| 12:11.47 | batrick | it only increases by one if we didn't call table.remove |
| 12:12.02 | Cruciformer | batrick: you may be on to something there :) |
| 12:12.15 | Beladona | ahh yeah sorry |
| 12:12.17 | batrick | I've seen this problem before |
| 12:12.54 | kmcguire | But, keep in mind Cruciformer when using table.remove. It had put bugs in my stuff before if I forgot how it really worked. |
| 12:12.56 | kmcguire | lua> t={[2]=1,[1]=2,[3]=3,[4]=4,[5]=5} local i,v=next(t) while i do if (v == 2) then table.remove(t,i) end i,v = next(t,i) end for i, v in pairs(t) do print(i, v, '#') end |
| 12:13.03 | lua_bot | kmcguire: 2, 3, #, 3, 4, #, 1, 1, #, 4, 5, # |
| 12:13.23 | kmcguire | It does not remove by key integer value, but by position. |
| 12:14.39 | Cruciformer | lua> t={1,2,3,4,5} local i=1 while (i <= #t) do if (t[i] == 3 or t[i] == 4) then table.remove (t, i) else i = i + 1 end end for _,v in ipairs(t) do print(v) end |
| 12:14.39 | lua_bot | Cruciformer: 1, 2, 5 |
| 12:17.05 | Cruciformer | only works for integer sequential tables of course but thats what I have for my mod so that works fine for me. |
| 12:17.37 | Cruciformer | I think the generic case would use next() somehow but Ill solve that problem if an when I come to it. |
| 12:17.47 | Beladona | if it didn't you could always create a custom sorting function |
| 12:18.04 | Pneumatus^^ | lua> t={1,2,3,4,5,6} for i = 1, #t do if i == 4 then table.remove(t, i) end end for i,v in pairs(t) do print(i,v) end |
| 12:18.06 | lua_bot | Pneumatus^^: 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 6 |
| 12:18.12 | batrick | Cruciformer: you don't need to use next() at all |
| 12:18.17 | batrick | because you are dealing with an array |
| 12:18.23 | batrick | consecutive array* |
| 12:18.33 | Cruciformer | batrick: correct. However if I was dealing with a dictionary I would. |
| 12:18.44 | kmcguire | Yeah, the general case. |
| 12:18.49 | Beladona | Pneumatus^^: the problem happens when you try to remove 4 AND 5 |
| 12:19.03 | batrick | in a dictionary, you wouldn't need to worry about table.remove |
| 12:19.12 | batrick | so it would be a simply loop over pairs |
| 12:19.26 | batrick | anyway, off to bed. Night! |
| 12:19.32 | kmcguire | pairs uses next |
| 12:19.34 | Cruciformer | batrick: *doh* u r correct. |
| 12:19.35 | Pneumatus^^ | lua> t={1,2,3,4,5,6} for i = 1, #t do if i == 4 or i==5 then table.remove(t, i) end end for i,v in pairs(t) do print(v) end |
| 12:19.44 | lua_bot | Pneumatus^^: 1, 2, 3, 5 |
| 12:19.50 | Pneumatus^^ | ah, so it does |
| 12:19.54 | Cruciformer | I could simply set the dictionary entry to nil and be done with it. |
| 12:19.56 | Beladona | it will skip 5 |
| 12:20.11 | Cruciformer | batrick: thanks for the help. Everyone else too. |
| 12:20.15 | Beladona | since 5 => 5 became 4 => 5, and 4 was already iterated |
| 12:20.55 | Pneumatus^^ | t[i] = nil rather than remove, then pairs() over it then |
| 12:21.31 | Beladona | the way he is doing it works, and maintains the table size too |
| 12:21.41 | Beladona | so ipairs still works |
| 12:22.23 | Beladona | ugh, time to go watch the munchkin so he doesn't level the house. back in several hours |
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| 12:43.13 | bluspacecow | bunny ball! ball! |
| 12:43.26 | Cruciformer | lol |
| 12:43.34 | Cairenn | o.O |
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| 12:44.01 | Cruciformer | bluspacecow: Funny u should say that just last night I downloaded hudson hawk to get that exact clip so I could play it over ven when those charged sheres are coming off the mobs at crazy cat lady. |
| 12:44.30 | bluspacecow | ah screw that i cant keep playing the swinging on a star segment .... |
| 12:44.42 | bluspacecow | could only find the french version anyway |
| 12:44.52 | Cruciformer | bluelol I love that segment :) |
| 12:45.04 | Cruciformer | that was such an under-rated movie |
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| 12:47.28 | Cruciformer | bluspacecow: I forget the exact quote but it was something like "If michelangelo was alive today he'd be riding in the back of a limo snorting coke off a hookers ass" |
| 12:47.37 | bluspacecow | rofl |
| 12:47.53 | bluspacecow | and what would picasso be doing ? |
| 12:48.10 | Cruciformer | inserting talcum powder up Dali's nose :P |
| 12:48.26 | Cruciformer | (and claiming it was coke) |
| 12:49.09 | bluspacecow | wasn't he the one that eat his own ear ? |
| 12:49.26 | Cruciformer | that was van gogh, and he cut it off he didnt eat it |
| 12:49.33 | bluspacecow | gah |
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| 12:49.44 | bluspacecow | i always get those facts messed up |
| 12:52.08 | bluspacecow | 5:32 swinging on a star ... the songs 2:31 lol |
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| 13:09.54 | Wobin | http://tywkiwdbi.blogspot.com/2007/12/humore-for-english-majors.html |
| 13:09.56 | Wobin | >< |
| 13:13.14 | Cairenn | groans |
| 13:13.16 | Cairenn | that's bad |
| 13:13.19 | Adys | I just thought of something great |
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| 13:14.35 | Adys | Like an Eliza bot but human-to-human conversation |
| 13:14.39 | Adys | except |
| 13:14.49 | Adys | every message you sent goes to someone else waiting in queue for a message |
| 13:15.52 | Lopeppeppy | Oh ugh. *laugh* |
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| 13:16.18 | Adys | hmm yes |
| 13:16.26 | Adys | you send a message, the server adds it to the queue |
| 13:16.41 | Cide | not a terrible idea |
| 13:16.46 | Cide | but very confusing for the users |
| 13:16.50 | Adys | Yeah |
| 13:16.57 | Adys | you just tell the user its an online eliza |
| 13:17.12 | Cide | would never work |
| 13:17.14 | Adys | someone else arrives, sends a message, gets the first message in queue while his goes to the bottom of the reception queue |
| 13:17.23 | Cide | because of people's varied grammar and typing |
| 13:17.27 | Adys | the person who gets the message is moved to the top |
| 13:17.32 | Adys | and so on so forth |
| 13:17.52 | Adys | also fuck grammar and typing, this is worth it |
| 13:18.30 | Wobin | isn't there already something like that? |
| 13:18.30 | Adys | No |
| 13:18.30 | Adys | but |
| 13:18.30 | Wobin | some IM thing that automatically joins up two strangers? |
| 13:18.30 | Cide | that has the same two people for the whole conversation |
| 13:18.42 | Adys | yeah but its not like that wobin |
| 13:18.52 | Wobin | what if only one person says anything? =) |
| 13:18.55 | Adys | its like a mix between Omegle and Will it blend |
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| 13:45.11 | jnwhiteh | http://apidiff.pastey.net/117380 |
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| 14:26.54 | Aelobin | any advice on getting stormpike exalted - just do loads of AV? |
| 14:27.08 | kd3 | pretty much |
| 14:27.27 | kd3 | it was easier in the days of epic AV... pick any av battleground weekend, queue up and spend a few hours in there |
| 14:28.37 | Wobin | bleeter: Thorpe wants to be a boxer? omg whut? |
| 14:29.28 | Lopeppeppy | I forget, do turn ins give stormpike honor, or just other-faction honor? |
| 14:29.37 | kd3 | stormpike and IF |
| 14:29.44 | kd3 | with spillover to the other 4 |
| 14:29.52 | kd3 | which is how people got exodar exalted before BC landed |
| 14:30.46 | Lopeppeppy | Yeah, I remember using it for IF. |
| 14:31.48 | Lopeppeppy | Okay. More packing. :) |
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| 14:45.20 | DrmrKevin | Heya, does anybody know the names of the fonts that Floating Combat Text, Damage Text, and Healing Text use? |
| 14:47.07 | Lopeppeppy | By default isn't it FritzQuadratta ? I think any of the font replacement mods would have that listed though. |
| 14:49.19 | DrmrKevin | Oh ok. I am trying to change the default floating combat text by renaming my desired font in the WoW/Fonts folder. I have a feeling Blizzard uses funny filenames but I'm not sure :S/ |
| 14:49.51 | Lopeppeppy | No, it don't. Go take a look at how ClearFont does it, which is to put in new files named with Bliznames. |
| 14:51.01 | Aelobin | how many levels lower must a mob be for it to not give you xp? |
| 14:51.31 | Lopeppeppy | DrmrKevin - http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/SearchResults.aspx?q=font, check them out. |
| 14:52.16 | DrmrKevin | Ooh thanks a bunch! |
| 14:52.53 | Lopeppeppy | Aelobin, doesn't that vary as you level? |
| 14:53.12 | Aelobin | possibly |
| 14:53.13 | Gnarfoz | no, doesn't |
| 14:53.19 | Gnarfoz | should be 8 |
| 14:53.24 | Gnarfoz | afaik |
| 14:53.28 | Arrowmaster | i thought it was a percentage |
| 14:53.34 | Arrowmaster | so it did varry |
| 14:53.36 | Gnarfoz | easier way would be to check if it's colored gray :D |
| 14:53.45 | Lopeppeppy | Very true that. |
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| 14:54.40 | Aelobin | well the reason is im on my 69 DK and thinking of going to strat, but cba to go there then find theyll give me xp :P |
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| 15:20.19 | airtonix | http://www.aionsource.com/forum/signaturepics/sigpic1576_2.gif |
| 15:21.26 | dazedandconfused | rofl |
| 15:27.16 | Lopeppeppy | .... *snark* |
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| 15:48.04 | kd3 | lol |
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| 16:01.05 | Shirik | why is Lopeppeppy up so early |
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| 16:12.21 | Shirik | I am victorious! https://connect.microsoft.com/VisualStudio/feedback/ViewFeedback.aspx?FeedbackID=472980 |
| 16:12.41 | Shirik | I am capable of producing code that they would never have expected |
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| 16:20.18 | Lopeppeppy | Bwah-ha-ha! |
| 16:20.33 | Lopeppeppy | Shirik darlin', I was up at 6. I'm moving next week, I'm packing like mad. |
| 16:20.40 | Shirik | :( |
| 16:20.42 | Lopeppeppy | Wasn't supposed to move until August. o.O |
| 16:21.42 | ccox | Expected: compiler that works |
| 16:21.56 | ccox | Actual result: MSVC |
| 16:22.05 | Shirik | ow |
| 16:22.07 | Shirik | "Yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation" yields falsehood when preceded by its quotation. |
| 16:22.13 | Shirik | that hurt my head |
| 16:22.19 | ccox | Regression: any other compiler works |
| 16:23.11 | Cide | hm, regex question |
| 16:23.53 | Cide | can I match a string which ignores a pattern of characters? |
| 16:23.53 | Cide | let me illustrate |
| 16:24.09 | Cide | I want to match a string of text while ignoring any html tags in the text |
| 16:25.02 | NightHawkTheSane | You're probably better off stripping out html tags and matching against that |
| 16:25.19 | Cide | yeah, but I want to hand this over to the database |
| 16:25.32 | Maldivia | so for instance "this <font color=red>is</font> a test" becomese "this is a test"? |
| 16:25.42 | Cide | yes |
| 16:25.57 | Cide | well, "this is a test" would match that string given the pattern I'm looking for |
| 16:26.06 | Maldivia | yeah |
| 16:26.10 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not aware of any way in strictly regex to 'ignore' part of the string. |
| 16:26.56 | kd3 | just uses the HTML::Strip class in perl |
| 16:26.56 | Maldivia | neither am I |
| 16:27.06 | Cide | can't offload that to the database, kd3 |
| 16:27.23 | Maldivia | could consider having a clean version of the text in the database next to the version with html markup |
| 16:27.30 | NightHawkTheSane | you might be able to fake it by inserting optional matches for html tags in between each word, or something. but that only works if your patterns are hard-coded |
| 16:27.40 | NightHawkTheSane | Cide: stored proc maybe? |
| 16:27.45 | Cide | yeah, possibly |
| 16:28.20 | Arrowmaster | Maldivia: die <font> tag! |
| 16:28.28 | Cide | NightHawkTheSane: hm |
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| 16:29.18 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: well, had to pick something you wanted to get rid off! |
| 16:29.29 | Cide | like r"this (\s*<[^>]*>\s*)?is (\s*<[^>]*>\s*)?a (\s*<[^>]*>\s*)?test" |
| 16:29.36 | Cide | I don't know if that would be very fast |
| 16:29.37 | Maldivia | Arrowmaster: also note the lack of qoutations around red :) |
| 16:30.25 | Maldivia | Cide what about <font color=red>T</font><b>h</b><i>i</i>s ? :) |
| 16:30.33 | p3lim | what bar texture is used in these unitframes?http://img2.abload.de/img/wowscrnshot_070309_1536pu4.jpg |
| 16:30.51 | Cide | yeah, fuck that |
| 16:31.02 | NightHawkTheSane | yeah, it wasn't really a very good idea to start with :P |
| 16:31.28 | Cide | what I'd need is something like [^...] but where ... is a pattern and not a set of characters |
| 16:32.12 | Maldivia | cant get the db to run two regex expressions - where the first strips the tags? |
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| 16:34.17 | Cide | doubt it |
| 16:34.28 | Cide | maybe |
| 16:34.37 | Cide | it'd be slow as hell though |
| 16:35.07 | Cide | (it's for a forum search, so it'd need to keep all posts in memory) |
| 16:35.16 | Cide | (or swap to disk but that would also slow it down to a crawl) |
| 16:35.27 | Cide | oh well, fuck it |
| 16:35.30 | Cide | feature not going in |
| 16:35.37 | Cide | heading out, thanks for the help guys. later |
| 16:35.50 | Lopeppeppy | See ya |
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| 16:54.05 | ScytheBlade1 | ha @ http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Jul/0077.html |
| 16:58.05 | kd3 | lmao |
| 16:59.52 | kd3 | later in the thread... "There are things that are *more fun* than security?!! Madness!" |
| 17:03.56 | Lopeppeppy | Ice cream wrestling is more fun than security. But not by much. |
| 17:04.35 | ccox | depends on who you are wrestling, I guess |
| 17:04.49 | Lopeppeppy | mmmm, yummy.... :) |
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| 17:06.49 | Shirik|zZz | and then she disappears |
| 17:07.19 | Shirik|zZz | !quote PRIVMSG #wowuidev :pong |
| 17:07.19 | Shiibot | pong |
| 17:07.19 | batbot | Shirik|zZz, privmsg has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 17:07.29 | Fisker | slow bot is slow |
| 17:07.32 | Shirik|zZz | multiple cores are a wonderful thing |
| 17:07.41 | Fisker | maybe you should tell it to rest for just a moment? |
| 17:07.59 | Shirik|zZz | I have a script running at 100% cpu right now and it doesn't make a difference :D |
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| 17:12.24 | Fisker | Shirik|zZz |
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| 17:36.23 | Shirik|zZz | wow |
| 17:36.28 | Shirik|zZz | kernel is using 80% CPU |
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| 17:37.00 | Shirik|zZz | lua> 21 + 16.4 + 8.7 + 13.6 |
| 17:37.00 | lua_bot | Shirik|zZz: 59.7 |
| 17:37.03 | Shirik|zZz | ok closer to 60% |
| 17:37.06 | Shirik|zZz | but that's a lot |
| 17:37.16 | cbreak|evil | driver? |
| 17:37.27 | Shirik|zZz | no, I think it got pissed off at lua instantly taking over about 1GB of memory |
| 17:37.42 | Shirik|zZz | so when it ran out it was all "oh shit" and starting fixing things |
| 17:38.02 | cbreak|evil | so it's trying to swap? |
| 17:38.13 | Shirik|zZz | uh, there was no swap space left |
| 17:38.18 | cbreak|evil | :O |
| 17:38.31 | cbreak|evil | I don't think OS X would even continue to work under those circumstances |
| 17:38.35 | Shirik|zZz | it eventually just killed Lua as it should |
| 17:38.40 | Shirik|zZz | !quote PRIVMSG #wowuidev :Pong |
| 17:38.41 | Shiibot | Pong |
| 17:38.41 | batbot | Shirik|zZz, privmsg has not said anything with your given pattern. |
| 17:38.45 | Shirik|zZz | and obviously is still working :) |
| 17:39.01 | Shirik|zZz | system's back to normal now |
| 17:39.08 | Shirik|zZz | it just froze up there for maybe 30 sec or so |
| 17:39.39 | Shirik|zZz | why is there a ! by my uptime? |
| 17:40.05 | Shirik|zZz | Uptime: 121 days(!) 08:21:01 |
| 17:41.22 | airtonix | record time maybe |
| 17:42.32 | Gnarfoz | record time? how useless is that |
| 17:42.43 | Shirik|zZz | apparently after 100 days htop places an exclamation point there saying "hey yo, are you sure you don't wanna reboot this thing?" |
| 17:42.45 | Gnarfoz | and why would it make it into 'uptime' :D |
| 17:42.59 | Gnarfoz | oh, that's not from 'uptime', kk |
| 17:43.07 | Shirik|zZz | it's also considered a "congratulations" |
| 17:43.12 | Shirik|zZz | depending on who you read from |
| 17:43.18 | Shirik|zZz | some people say it's a warning, some people say it's a congratulations |
| 17:43.58 | Shirik|zZz | some people are sad though: " My box has been running now for just over a year and no bigger award than (!) has been provided :(" |
| 17:44.41 | Shirik|zZz | here we go, from the htop author: |
| 17:44.43 | Shirik|zZz | It's a "Congratulations" :) |
| 17:44.43 | Shirik|zZz | We don't see too many Easter Eggs in Free Software nowadays, so I thought I would add one. I receive the odd email about it now and then, and it always brings a smile to my face. :) |
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| 17:54.38 | msoul | oi wobin aint here... |
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| 17:59.22 | Xapht | I have a question for anyone familiar with oUF.. I'm trying to change the way it arranges the group window, but cant seem to get it right. I want to arrange the group window by Name rather than UnitID.. However, digging through the oUF main files, I cant seem to figure out how it's creating those frames. Can anybody point me in the right direction? |
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| 18:26.35 | tem | blah blah, blah blah LUA. Blah blah. |
| 18:26.45 | krka | tem: Don't call it that. :-D |
| 18:26.47 | tem | damnit, krka. You blacklisted me |
| 18:27.11 | tem | or he gave the script more things to say. |
| 18:32.07 | Shirik | I think blacklisted people don't get any response at all |
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| 18:35.02 | tem | Shirik, the delay was long enough that I thought I wasn't getting a response |
| 18:35.50 | tem | and since I was expecting a different repsonse, I thought for a second that he was actually responding to my attempt to trigger his script |
| 18:36.01 | Shirik | man, they don't make f/13 like they used to |
| 18:36.05 | Shirik | these pictures turned out bad :p |
| 18:36.31 | tem | (actually, though, I just wanted the short version of why "LUA" is wrong because another idiot uploaded an addon to wowi with LUA in the title) |
| 18:38.44 | Shirik | what was with all the "blah?" |
| 18:40.49 | stolenlegacy | is there a way to find out whether an item is disenchantable? |
| 18:40.49 | tem | I think it filters messages which are too short |
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| 18:43.42 | Shirik | ~ping |
| 18:43.43 | purl | ~pong |
| 18:48.03 | Shirik | wikipedia seems to be having problems |
| 18:48.16 | Fisker | your mom Shirik |
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| 19:09.51 | krka | tem, does this mean my autoresponse script didn't seem automatic to you that time? :) |
| 19:17.33 | Industrial | .names |
| 19:17.34 | Industrial | ups |
| 19:17.45 | Industrial | ~seen Moonwolf |
| 19:17.50 | purl | moonwolf <n=MoonWolf@dhcp-077-250-125-249.chello.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowuidev, 101d 9h 3m 56s ago, saying: 'it happens to code when it gets changed a lot'. |
| 19:17.54 | Industrial | :| |
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| 19:23.35 | Aelobin | what's happened to conference mode? 0.o |
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| 19:37.27 | Shirik | so imageshack got hacked? |
| 19:38.34 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 19:38.45 | Adys | good |
| 19:38.47 | Adys | shitty site |
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| 19:40.21 | Dagmar | The motivation for the attack is dumb. |
| 19:41.30 | Industrial | whats the motivation |
| 19:42.49 | Dagmar | Short-sightedness. |
| 19:43.08 | Gnarfoz | prepares some popcorn |
| 19:45.16 | tem | krka, pretty much |
| 19:45.27 | tem | for 5-10s anyway |
| 19:53.46 | Industrial | mmm hashj :) |
| 19:53.51 | Industrial | .. more like 8) |
| 19:56.19 | Bruners | better than weed? |
| 20:00.07 | Fisker | pops Gnarfoz |
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| 20:14.47 | sacarasc | Where is a list of slot numbers so I can do things like /use wizard oil /use weapon as a single macro? |
| 20:17.50 | Torhal | Cairenn: Ping. |
| 20:18.00 | Cairenn | Torhal: pong |
| 20:18.30 | Gnarfoz | sacarasc: just level, from 71 on those are not usable anyway ;p |
| 20:18.53 | sacarasc | For 61 more levels I will be using them. |
| 20:19.23 | Gnarfoz | so, anyway, why would you need slot numbers for that? |
| 20:19.24 | sacarasc | Only reason I'd use them at all is because I'm going enchanter too. |
| 20:19.39 | sacarasc | Click 1 button rather than a button then the weapon. |
| 20:19.40 | Gnarfoz | and wowwiki has a list, I'm sure :) |
| 20:19.49 | sacarasc | I can't find it, though. |
| 20:19.51 | Gnarfoz | put the weapon's name there, achieves the same thing :) |
| 20:20.04 | sacarasc | And when I change weapon? |
| 20:20.12 | Gnarfoz | heirloom weapons...? |
| 20:20.20 | Gnarfoz | btw: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Search&search=inventory+slots |
| 20:20.23 | Gnarfoz | *cough* |
| 20:20.41 | sacarasc | I was looking for slot numbers and finding nothing. |
| 20:20.57 | Gnarfoz | well, they are inventory slots =D |
| 20:21.04 | Arrowmaster | http://www.wowwiki.com/API_TYPE_InventorySlotID |
| 20:21.30 | Gnarfoz | or the first result from my search, arrow ;) |
| 20:21.50 | Corrodias | there's also http://www.wowwiki.com/InventorySlotName which sounds important |
| 20:22.20 | Gnarfoz | someone motivate me to finish our yogg kill movie ;< |
| 20:24.17 | Fisker | slaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:24.23 | Fisker | is that motivation enough? |
| 20:24.59 | airtonix | now selling tshirt : [FiskalLove] |
| 20:27.14 | Gnarfoz | haste: using Furbish I'll still have to deal with Blizzard's short-sightedness regarding widescreens, right? (i.e. the rows will still wrap at like, 8 buffs or so) |
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| 21:10.54 | sylvanaar | VonhintenHOME` did you ping me? |
| 21:11.53 | Fisker | sylvanaar did you ping me? |
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| 21:13.31 | Greywolf65 | howdy |
| 21:13.34 | sylvanaar | Fisker i sent you the ping of death |
| 21:13.50 | Fisker | i can't die |
| 21:14.17 | sylvanaar | Fisker yes - but you can go offline momentarily |
| 21:14.38 | Fisker | what doesn't kill me only makes me stronger |
| 21:15.40 | sylvanaar | so, what today's excitement? |
| 21:16.16 | Greywolf65 | quick question about efficiency after compile for lua... will the compiler automatically break down "if (A and B and C)" such that if "A" is false, it will not spend time checking B and C. Or should I break it down manually like "if (A) then if (B) then if (C)" |
| 21:16.52 | sylvanaar | it is fail fast |
| 21:16.58 | sylvanaar | yes |
| 21:17.20 | Greywolf65 | so you're saying I can do if (A and B and C) ? |
| 21:17.34 | sylvanaar | it works just like C |
| 21:17.51 | Greywolf65 | kewl |
| 21:18.48 | sylvanaar | i think i mixed up my terms though |
| 21:19.55 | sylvanaar | i forget the actual term now |
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| 21:20.58 | Corrodias | short circuiting? |
| 21:21.08 | Corrodias | circut... god damn, how do you spell that |
| 21:21.40 | Corrodias | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short-circuit_evaluation (aka "minimal evaluation") |
| 21:21.51 | sylvanaar | yeah thats it |
| 21:22.18 | sylvanaar | though at a high level - they are similar |
| 21:22.20 | sylvanaar | hides |
| 21:24.31 | Greywolf65 | ah I see |
| 21:24.36 | sylvanaar | my new guild has brought me on as balance...i havent played dps in years....how do your casters avoid leeching each other? |
| 21:24.47 | sylvanaar | on vezaxx |
| 21:25.10 | Greywolf65 | hmm on that wiki page it says for lua "value: last value" does that mean it checks "C" if 'if (A and B and C)" |
| 21:25.18 | Greywolf65 | checks "C" first? |
| 21:25.28 | sylvanaar | its like this |
| 21:25.29 | Corrodias | no, it means that the value returned is C |
| 21:25.44 | sylvanaar | if (a ... done) |
| 21:26.18 | sylvanaar | thats A and B or C |
| 21:26.24 | Corrodias | oh |
| 21:26.48 | haste | Gnarfoz: yes, it only changes the look, nothing more |
| 21:26.50 | Corrodias | that's right, i'm thinking of "or", not "and". i don't know what "and" does. |
| 21:26.52 | sylvanaar | which is the same as A ? B : C |
| 21:27.16 | Gnarfoz | haste: too bad, but that's what I expected :X |
| 21:28.34 | sylvanaar | and: A = B = true, else false |
| 21:28.53 | Corrodias | so "and" only returns true or false? |
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| 21:29.38 | Corrodias | (if not, your shorthand notations are just confusing me. i don't work in Lua.) |
| 21:30.06 | sylvanaar | if you return a and b, you might get b, i dont really know |
| 21:30.19 | Fisker | ping |
| 21:30.20 | sylvanaar | if you say if a and b then ... end |
| 21:30.25 | Greywolf65 | I think A? B:C means if (A) then B else C |
| 21:30.41 | Fisker | ping |
| 21:30.50 | Corrodias | yeah, but i'm not sure what he's using that as an example or explanation of any more |
| 21:31.15 | sylvanaar | k, it matters if you are returning a and b or c, or testing a and b or c |
| 21:31.44 | Corrodias | only in the sense that "if" only cares whether something is nil/false or not |
| 21:31.47 | sylvanaar | if you return a and b or c, you get a ? b : c |
| 21:32.05 | sylvanaar | good question |
| 21:32.05 | Dagmar | It's called a trinary operator |
| 21:32.13 | Corrodias | that's not a question >_> |
| 21:32.23 | sylvanaar | are you suer |
| 21:32.25 | Fisker | hits sylvanaar with a pongball and stomps it down his throat |
| 21:32.43 | sylvanaar | use luabot |
| 21:33.16 | Corrodias | to determine what? |
| 21:33.28 | Corrodias | for that matter... |
| 21:33.34 | Dagmar | er ternary (been some years) |
| 21:33.39 | Corrodias | -what- matters whether you are returning or testing them? |
| 21:34.26 | sylvanaar | what does return a and nil or c do? |
| 21:34.36 | Corrodias | it gives you c |
| 21:35.00 | Corrodias | (assuming and is evaluated first. i admit i don't know the order of operations.) |
| 21:36.22 | sylvanaar | i need parens |
| 21:36.32 | Corrodias | "if (a and nil or c)" evaluates a then c, then tests c for truth |
| 21:36.58 | Corrodias | or rather, tests the value of c, since it can be an expression |
| 21:37.02 | Dagmar | Binaries are generally just left to right, I thought |
| 21:37.15 | sylvanaar | no |
| 21:37.57 | foxlit | lua> "a" and nil or "c" |
| 21:37.57 | lua_bot | foxlit: c |
| 21:37.58 | sylvanaar | they have significant precidence you have to pay attention to. not > and > or |
| 21:38.15 | Corrodias | "if (do(A) and nil and do(B))" should evaluate do(A) and do(C) then test the value that do(C) returned for truth |
| 21:38.25 | Corrodias | er, do(B) |
| 21:38.31 | Dagmar | ;p; |
| 21:38.38 | Corrodias | it figures i screw up my own example |
| 21:38.43 | sylvanaar | maybe the comparision to a ? b : c screws me up |
| 21:39.32 | foxlit | and/or falls through |
| 21:39.55 | foxlit | In particular, you have to jump through hoops to get something like a ? nil : "c" |
| 21:40.07 | sylvanaar | its more like "return a and (b or c)" |
| 21:40.11 | sylvanaar | idk |
| 21:40.30 | Dagmar | http://www.lua.org/manual/2.4/node9.html |
| 21:40.36 | Dagmar | and comes first |
| 21:40.43 | sylvanaar | what |
| 21:40.59 | foxlit | alphabetically sorted, right? |
| 21:41.01 | Corrodias | if you want A ? B : C... hmm... |
| 21:41.26 | foxlit | Lua doesn't define relative priority of and and or |
| 21:41.33 | sylvanaar | yes it does |
| 21:41.43 | Dagmar | Look at 4.5.6 |
| 21:41.57 | Dagmar | Apparently it does |
| 21:41.58 | foxlit | I'm looking at it. |
| 21:42.01 | foxlit | And it does not. |
| 21:42.10 | foxlit | The intention is that horizontal ordering is irrelevant. |
| 21:43.25 | Corrodias | "and" and "or" are on the same level... i don't know what that implies |
| 21:43.30 | Dagmar | Then this is completely knackered |
| 21:43.42 | sylvanaar | wow, lua is stupid if it doesnt have precidence for logical operators |
| 21:43.50 | sylvanaar | i never noticed |
| 21:43.55 | Dagmar | Not all languages do |
| 21:43.56 | Corrodias | not stupid; it just expects you to know what you're doing |
| 21:44.09 | foxlit | The concept isn't necessarily meaningful. |
| 21:44.23 | sylvanaar | are there languages which have + and * with the same precidence? |
| 21:44.28 | foxlit | What has higher priority, addition or substraction? |
| 21:44.30 | Dagmar | nope. |
| 21:44.34 | Corrodias | so "A and B or C and D" is "(((A and B) or C) and D)" ? |
| 21:44.37 | Dagmar | That would "break math" |
| 21:44.43 | Dagmar | ...so no. |
| 21:44.43 | foxlit | sylvanaar: some calculators would do that, I'm sure. |
| 21:44.45 | sylvanaar | right |
| 21:45.20 | Corrodias | can anyone say whether i have that correct? |
| 21:45.25 | foxlit | lua> "A" and "B" or nil and "D" |
| 21:45.26 | lua_bot | foxlit: B |
| 21:45.28 | sylvanaar | logical and / or, work like * and + |
| 21:46.08 | Corrodias | doesn't know whether that answers the question. |
| 21:46.13 | Dagmar | baffles at the bot |
| 21:46.15 | sylvanaar | it doesnt |
| 21:46.17 | foxlit | Corrodias: that does not appear to be the case. |
| 21:46.26 | sylvanaar | try adding not |
| 21:46.27 | Corrodias | A and B and D are true. C doesn't matter in that case. |
| 21:46.37 | sylvanaar | not screws me in lua all the time |
| 21:46.43 | Corrodias | lua> "A" and nil or "C" and "D" |
| 21:46.46 | lua_bot | Corrodias: D |
| 21:47.13 | foxlit | It would appear that "A" and "B" or nil and "D" == ("A" and "B") or (nil and "D") |
| 21:47.22 | Dagmar | lua> 1 and nil or 4 and 8 |
| 21:47.27 | sylvanaar | lua> "A" and "C" or not "D" |
| 21:47.28 | lua_bot | Dagmar: 8 |
| 21:47.32 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: C |
| 21:47.55 | Corrodias | there may not be a functional difference between (a and b) or (c and d) vs (((a and b) or c) and d) |
| 21:48.00 | sylvanaar | lua> "A" and not "C" or "D" |
| 21:48.01 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: D |
| 21:48.17 | sylvanaar | lua> not "A" and "C" or "D" |
| 21:48.17 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: D |
| 21:48.29 | foxlit | Corrodias: the latter should result in "D"; the prior results in "B". Lua interpreter says "B" |
| 21:48.31 | Corrodias | lua> "A" and "B" or "C" and nil |
| 21:48.32 | lua_bot | Corrodias: B |
| 21:48.36 | Dagmar | Oh heh |
| 21:48.55 | Corrodias | this appears to be the case. well done. |
| 21:48.55 | Dagmar | Took me a few to realize wtf it was returning |
| 21:49.07 | Corrodias | so it does evaluate "and" before "or" |
| 21:49.09 | sylvanaar | why does my last test get D |
| 21:49.21 | Dagmar | It's the last bit that it evaluated |
| 21:49.25 | sylvanaar | if and and or are of equal precidence |
| 21:49.27 | Corrodias | because the last thing evaluated is "C or D" |
| 21:49.27 | foxlit | sylvanaar: == false and "C" or "D" == false or "D" == "D" |
| 21:49.57 | Corrodias | we've proven that they're not equal, sylvanaar |
| 21:50.00 | foxlit | If "C" or "D" was last, the answer would be "C" |
| 21:50.02 | sylvanaar | oh |
| 21:50.04 | sylvanaar | im behind |
| 21:50.13 | Corrodias | i think |
| 21:50.18 | Corrodias | oh, good point |
| 21:50.48 | Dagmar | Shortcuts can be evil sometimes |
| 21:50.52 | sylvanaar | lua> not "A" and "C" and "D" |
| 21:50.53 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: false |
| 21:51.01 | sylvanaar | well, at least that works |
| 21:51.13 | foxlit | The easy conclusion is that not binds tighter than most other operators |
| 21:51.17 | Corrodias | i'm surprised + is of a higher priority than *, though |
| 21:51.26 | Corrodias | oh duh |
| 21:51.28 | sylvanaar | what |
| 21:51.28 | Corrodias | it says lower to higher |
| 21:51.32 | Dagmar | hah |
| 21:51.37 | foxlit | I'm not sure what's going on with and/or. |
| 21:51.39 | Dagmar | lua> 1 + 2 * 4 |
| 21:51.40 | lua_bot | Dagmar: 9 |
| 21:51.41 | Corrodias | read the chart upside down, nm |
| 21:51.46 | Dagmar | orly |
| 21:51.48 | sylvanaar | and |
| 21:52.13 | sylvanaar | lua> 1 + 2 * -3 |
| 21:52.13 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: -5 |
| 21:52.24 | Corrodias | lua> "A" and "B" |
| 21:52.26 | lua_bot | Corrodias: B |
| 21:52.31 | Dagmar | No language developers willing deviate from plain math operator precedence because it would "break math" |
| 21:52.38 | Dagmar | ...and be a source of endless bugs. |
| 21:53.04 | foxlit | Dagmar: Perhaps they just want you to parenthesize the damn things :) |
| 21:53.05 | theorbtwo | Dagmar: At least, not while still keeping infix syntax. |
| 21:53.26 | Dagmar | foxlit: Hey, extra parens never hurt anyone |
| 21:53.32 | Dagmar | 'cept maybe lisp users. |
| 21:53.37 | foxlit | So, conclusion: and before or. |
| 21:53.44 | Corrodias | i concur. |
| 21:53.47 | foxlit | Though that behavior isn't defined by the lua reference. |
| 21:54.11 | Corrodias | that also appears to be the case |
| 21:55.51 | sylvanaar | lua> false and true or true and false |
| 21:55.51 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: false |
| 21:56.44 | Corrodias | that would be false either way. |
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| 21:57.22 | Dagmar | Okay, so aside from all the alien hieroglyphs on the page, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_connective lays out operator precedence in a manner that would possibly indicate lua is following the "don't break math" thing for logical operators |
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| 21:58.09 | Dagmar | That might be why it's not documented |
| 21:59.50 | foxlit | Except "don't break math" *is* documented |
| 22:00.02 | sylvanaar | its the same as +/* since those operations produce the logical result when they are used on a binary number |
| 22:00.16 | sylvanaar | 1 + 0 = 1 |
| 22:00.23 | sylvanaar | 1 * 1 = 1 |
| 22:00.28 | sylvanaar | 1 * 0 = 0 |
| 22:00.32 | Corrodias | but the order of + and - is mathematically irrelevant |
| 22:00.35 | Corrodias | same with * and / |
| 22:00.39 | sylvanaar | right |
| 22:00.53 | Corrodias | between + and * it matters, but those are on separate levels in the documentation |
| 22:00.58 | Adys | Anyone ingame? |
| 22:01.24 | Adys | Could they provide me a screenshot with a "Requires ... personal arena rating" tooltip? (the longer the tooltip, the better) |
| 22:01.27 | Corrodias | it also matters between "and" and "or", and they are treated differently, but they're on the same level in the document. |
| 22:02.08 | Dagmar | Like foxlit said, the order in each line is inconsequential to that section |
| 22:02.50 | Corrodias | but we showed that there -is- an order to "and" and "or". so either the document is wrong or our understanding of it is wrong. |
| 22:03.20 | foxlit | I don't know what you linked |
| 22:03.20 | Dagmar | Probably a matter of vagueness in the docs |
| 22:03.31 | foxlit | But http://www.lua.org/manual/5.1/manual.html#2.5.6 is better. |
| 22:03.53 | Dagmar | Ah yes |
| 22:04.03 | sylvanaar | that settles it |
| 22:04.35 | Corrodias | he linked the manual for Lua 2.4, as far as i can tell |
| 22:04.48 | sylvanaar | i saw that |
| 22:04.55 | Dagmar | I just pulled up what Google nabbed |
| 22:04.56 | sylvanaar | but i was like - no way - that cant be true |
| 22:04.57 | Corrodias | now i feel silly |
| 22:05.02 | nevcairiel | that old manual is really still on the web? |
| 22:05.09 | Dagmar | I don't expect anything but tcl to make harebrained changes like what might have happened ther |
| 22:05.09 | foxlit | nevcairiel: all of them are |
| 22:05.21 | sylvanaar | there are people still using 2.4 i am sure |
| 22:05.34 | nevcairiel | Lua has like completly changed since then |
| 22:07.16 | sylvanaar | its an ok - language. i like it for my work with PDA applications. but - it lacks a standard library - so its always going to fall a little short |
| 22:07.25 | Corrodias | that makes me want to start up a session of 2.4 and see what our tests indicate |
| 22:08.00 | Dagmar | Corrodias: Was this your post somewherE? http://forums.ulyssesmod.net/index.php?topic=3646.0;wap2 |
| 22:08.27 | sylvanaar | its more of an integration language, if thats a real term |
| 22:08.48 | Corrodias | no, none of those people are me |
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| 22:11.47 | Corrodias | launches a copy of 3.2.2 and gets errors about tokens >:( |
| 22:12.20 | Corrodias | i don't think it likes my string... |
| 22:13.43 | Corrodias | okay, okay, here we go. assuming it worked like the thing here was silly. |
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| 22:14.45 | Corrodias | lua> "A" and "B" or "C" and nil |
| 22:14.48 | lua_bot | Corrodias: B |
| 22:14.50 | Corrodias | print("A" and "B" or "C" and nil) produces nil in version 3.2.2 |
| 22:17.23 | Corrodias | the 4.0 documentation still has them on the same line, and they're on separate lines in the 5.0 document, so i conclude that it used to be left-to-right and changed at 5.0. |
| 22:21.26 | sylvanaar | lua> ("wow!"):match("wow") |
| 22:21.27 | lua_bot | sylvanaar: wow |
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| 22:26.51 | Corrodias | thinks that's a pretty neat discovery ._. |
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| 22:38.41 | tekkub | "XML is not a language in the sense of a programming language any more than sketches on a napkin are a written language." |
| 22:39.03 | batrick | shitty analogy imo |
| 22:39.31 | Dagmar | s/shitty/spiteful/; |
| 22:39.59 | tekkub | fine how about "Being really good at C++ is like being really good at using rocks to sharpen sticks" |
| 22:40.30 | Dagmar | It's still a language, regardless of what that guy says. |
| 22:41.55 | tekkub | Arguing that Java is better than C++ is like arguing that grasshoppers taste better than tree bark. |
| 22:42.00 | tekkub | I like that one :) |
| 22:42.24 | tekkub | the grasshopers, of course, have more protien |
| 22:42.43 | Corrodias | "XML is not a language in the sense of a programming language" he says. well, no kidding. |
| 22:42.49 | Corrodias | neither is English |
| 22:44.37 | foxlit | http://burks.bton.ac.uk/burks/language/shoot.htm et al are amusing |
| 22:45.45 | Dagmar | "You try to shoot yourself in the foot, but the gun jams on a stray parenthesis. |
| 22:46.05 | Dagmar | The best |
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| 22:47.03 | foxlit | Most of them are awesome. "You write a protocol for shooting yourself in the foot so that all people can get shot in their feet." |
| 22:47.29 | Dagmar | I think the author was a bit angry about perl's flexibility there. hehe |
| 22:48.16 | foxlit | "If you are dumb enough to actually use this language, the United States Department of Defense will kidnap you, stand you up in front of a firing squad, and tell the soldiers, "Shoot at his feet."" |
| 22:48.37 | Dagmar | They're running out of Ada coders |
| 22:49.23 | Corrodias | prolog... how accurate! |
| 22:49.28 | Dagmar | ...and you know you can't breed 'em. |
| 22:50.55 | foxlit | "You shoot yourself in somebody else's foot." is also awesome. |
| 22:51.13 | batrick | I liked the C++ one |
| 22:51.59 | Dagmar | The JCL one you have to have dealt with those machines first-hand to understand |
| 22:52.37 | Dagmar | ...although, as a point of reference, last week I just threw out a six-foot wide stretch of bookshelves covered in VMS & JCL documentation |
| 22:52.47 | Dagmar | ...which was about a third of the total set. |
| 22:52.56 | foxlit | grats, you'll need those volumes on monday. |
| 22:53.02 | Dagmar | No I won't. |
| 22:53.18 | Dagmar | We finally decommissioned and got rid of that VAX about a year and a half ago |
| 22:53.54 | Dagmar | I was shocked they were still in the building, but things which run JCL tend to be accompanied by human-sized volumes of printed materials |
| 23:05.07 | Adys | ~ping |
| 23:05.08 | purl | ~pong |
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| 23:06.36 | foxlit | Hm. |
| 23:06.50 | foxlit | I wonder if this graphic exists as a larger version. |
| 23:07.31 | foxlit | pretends that was phrased in an acceptable fashion. |
| 23:07.51 | foxlit | The vanilla log-in screen showed azeroth beyond the dark portal: the actual image is something like GLUES/Models/UI_MAINMENU_AeriePeak01.blp |
| 23:08.03 | foxlit | I wonder if it ever appeared as some concept art/wallpaper |
| 23:11.01 | foxlit | Thematically closest are the old Dawn/Discovery wallpapers, but they aren't quite the same image. |
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| 23:14.05 | Dagmar | Hm... |
| 23:14.33 | Dagmar | I'm guessing the new island is where those Covenant/Crusade dailies are going to take place |
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| 23:21.05 | Shirik | woot |
| 23:21.10 | Shirik | I have successfully pissed off a spammer on wikipedia |
| 23:21.25 | Shirik | I guess he got mad at me reverting his stuff :( |
| 23:22.13 | drfuzzykins | okay what, google is making an OS now |
| 23:22.19 | drfuzzykins | this is kind of ridiculous |
| 23:23.46 | foxlit | kind of interesting, surely |
| 23:29.34 | cbreak|evil | kind of pointless too |
| 23:30.19 | cbreak|evil | there are already lots of linux based systems, the various windowses, mac os x, and various special purpose oses |
| 23:31.06 | cbreak|evil | although, I guess if they make a special purpose OS for something they control, such as android platform, that might work. |
| 23:31.38 | foxlit | One distinct advantage: they don't have any previous versions to support. |
| 23:31.56 | drfuzzykins | it appears to be a light client operating system |
| 23:31.59 | drfuzzykins | netbooks, etc. |
| 23:32.10 | Arrowmaster | its a linux kiosk |
| 23:32.26 | Arrowmaster | it just runs a browser |
| 23:32.28 | drfuzzykins | basically, imagine Opera made an operating system |
| 23:32.44 | drfuzzykins | (because Opera did make an operating system, that browser is annoying) |
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| 23:37.03 | Dagmar | Okay, don't argue that it's pointless |
| 23:37.07 | Dagmar | That's silly |
| 23:37.20 | Dagmar | No matter how many operating system variants there are out there, there can stand to be more. |
| 23:38.09 | Dagmar | Each new one succeeds or fails on it's own merits (Windows notwithstanding) and each one has and/or will have bits and pieces that are new ideas put into practice that will either fail and be discarded, or be kept and adopted by _others_ because they worked |
| 23:38.33 | Dagmar | Established operating systems aren't nearly as quick to try new things. |
| 23:38.53 | haste | hahahaaahahaahahhaha |
| 23:38.56 | Dagmar | ...primarily because of the legacy support "weight" that folit mentiones |
| 23:39.13 | haste | loololololol |
| 23:39.54 | Dagmar | You can't have natural selection without a lot of waste |
| 23:41.20 | Dagmar | Frankly, I'm expecting some of the smaller distros to just die right off the moment they release |
| 23:42.54 | bleeter | ugh, michael atkinson is such a fkn douche |
| 23:44.03 | bleeter | what pisses me off more, is this idiot's acrually in charge of something... all the seppos got hot under the collar about that idiot THompson, but 'coz atkinson's actually in (a) power (b) another country, no one anywhere gives a toss |
| 23:44.07 | bleeter | rarararararar |
| 23:44.13 | bleeter | ~emulate bleeter |
| 23:44.14 | purl | ACTION rant RANT rant waaa MOAR COFFEE <sub>GOOD IDEA</sub>rant waa MOAR COFFEE rant rant MOAR MOAR <blink><h1>terribad idea</h1></blink> rant |
| 23:44.23 | Dagmar | HWH |
| 23:44.37 | Dagmar | Oh how I love tablets |
| 23:44.41 | batrick | ~emulate batrick |
| 23:44.42 | purl | 1. e4 |
| 23:44.57 | batrick | someone changed it :( |
| 23:45.01 | batrick | ~batrick |
| 23:45.02 | purl | Batrick is evil. |
| 23:45.05 | batrick | o nvm |
| 23:45.21 | bleeter | http://www.kotaku.com.au/2008/03/why_michael_atkinsons_opposal_of_r18_does_bugger_all_to_protect_kids_promotes_crime/ |
| 23:45.45 | bleeter | .au has no game rating system 'coz of the moron |
| 23:46.22 | Dagmar | I think you mistake why we hate Jack Thomson |
| 23:46.24 | Dagmar | er Thompson |
| 23:47.02 | bleeter | Dagmar: I think you don't know what I know about Thompson |
| 23:47.32 | Dagmar | You know about him and some little boys? |
| 23:47.36 | Dagmar | That would be rich. |
| 23:47.51 | bleeter | (apart from the frequent misunderstanding that discussions were about a rather stellar aussie actor) |
| 23:48.10 | Dagmar | You're in AU, right? |
| 23:48.30 | Dagmar | You have the advantage of distance |
| 23:48.57 | Dagmar | I can't see how Atkinson could be half as bad as Thompson without visibly foaming at the mouth in public. |
| 23:49.22 | bleeter | Dagmar: does thompson cause reasonable national legistation to be thrown out for years on end? |
| 23:49.42 | bleeter | Dagmar: I think it's you who don't understand |
| 23:49.44 | bleeter | QED |
| 23:49.50 | Dagmar | No, he just spun tales of insanity to the media constantly |
| 23:50.02 | Dagmar | Incessantly, to any media outlet that would listen. |
| 23:50.15 | bleeter | *If* the Great Aussie Firewall goes through, Atkinson will have effectively banned WoW |
| 23:50.24 | Dagmar | So... local news, network news, cable channels, soapboxes in parks, he was freakin' everywhere |
| 23:50.49 | bleeter | Dagmar: oh really, not like I didn't see it ever second week in your national media |
| 23:51.10 | bleeter | Dagmar: maybe.. you know.. start reading outside the US... I might start believing you |
| 23:51.11 | Dagmar | You saw it every second week. We saw it every two or three days at times |
| 23:51.23 | bleeter | that you know what the issues are wrt atkinson and be able to compare |
| 23:51.33 | Dagmar | Atkinson isn't a freaking looney |
| 23:51.38 | bleeter | right now, you're just showing total ignorance and further demonstrating my complaint about US gamers wrt to Thompson |
| 23:51.51 | Dagmar | He might be a crank and a nitwit, but he's not detached from reality the way Thompson was |
| 23:51.52 | bleeter | ... |
| 23:52.18 | Dagmar | The dude put gay pornography into his evidence. |
| 23:52.44 | Dagmar | Has Atkinson ever been ranting against _sodomy simulators_ in games? |
| 23:54.43 | bleeter | this is my point, you guys got all hot under the collar about some idiot who had no real power... then when someone comes along in real power who's also an idiot it's 'meh' |
| 23:54.51 | bleeter | because you're all so nationalistic or whatever |
| 23:55.09 | Dagmar | No, because we know that people who get in front of CNN enough can and will get senators involved |
| 23:55.22 | bleeter | ... |
| 23:55.29 | Dagmar | Thompson *almost* managed to get us set back that way, based on his insane claims alone |
| 23:55.39 | bleeter | this guy's got more power than a senator... it's direct power, not influence |
| 23:55.48 | bleeter | it'd be a wholly different convo, I'm sure.. if.. |
| 23:55.59 | Dagmar | Yeah, but I'm still saying there's a difference between being a pinheaded conservative, and an utter lunatic |
| 23:55.59 | bleeter | hey what about that nutjob AG who tried those suits against craig's list |
| 23:56.09 | Dagmar | You at least stand a _chance_ of changing the mind of the conservative. |
| 23:56.10 | bleeter | atkinson's like that.. 'cept.. day in day out year in year out |
| 23:56.17 | Dagmar | ...without having gay porn shoved into your face. |
| 23:57.01 | bleeter | right, so you think it's more important to jump up and down about some loon who's presenting gay porn as evidence to a court, than anything about people actually make legislation |
| 23:57.45 | bleeter | ah well, WoW will prolly end up banned so I don't need to hang out here and read your crap anymore anyways |
| 23:58.03 | Dagmar | I sincerely doubt it'll be banned |
| 23:58.53 | bleeter | if all current proposed legislation goes through, there's every likelyhood it would |
| 23:59.07 | bleeter | once again, you're demonstrating a deep lack of knowledge of non-US based issues |
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| 23:59.59 | Dagmar | ...and once again, you go for an attack |
