| 00:00.23 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: You did see the blog of the guy who heads up anti-fraud at eBay, right? |
| 00:00.36 | Thunder_Child | no, why would i? |
| 00:00.56 | Dagmar | Thunder_Child: He wasn't very amused with Alienware refusing to sell him a plastic widget because he wasn't registered to the machine in their system, and originally tried to accuse him of stealing it |
| 00:01.07 | Dagmar | ...and it only got funnier from there. |
| 00:02.06 | Dagmar | There's a degree to which Alienware overworks the whole "boutique" thing they've got going on. |
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| 00:02.32 | Dagmar | Acting like they're selling Rolexes that need a chain of ownership documented is definitely going a bit far |
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| 00:04.12 | Wobin | I think I have a good tagline for my addon |
| 00:04.31 | Wobin | "Instead of tweeting -about- WoW... Tweet -in- WoW" |
| 00:04.41 | Dagmar | "Better than free candy from that van down the street" |
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| 00:04.52 | Dagmar | Oh... my mistake. |
| 00:06.46 | Legorol | Wobin: cool, but how are you going to do web i/o? |
| 00:06.53 | Wobin | I'm not =P |
| 00:06.58 | Wobin | god no =) |
| 00:07.09 | Wobin | it'll be entirely internal to the game |
| 00:08.29 | Shadowed | someone did that already Wobin, no? |
| 00:08.36 | Wobin | tweetcraft |
| 00:08.45 | Wobin | that links to actual Twitter |
| 00:08.45 | Shadowed | in-game purely |
| 00:08.52 | Wobin | not afaik |
| 00:08.53 | Shadowed | could swear someone did recently |
| 00:08.58 | Wobin | (at least not effectively) |
| 00:09.12 | Wobin | I've been working on this for a bit now |
| 00:09.38 | Shadowed | might have been you then could swear someone put it on WoWi a few days ago |
| 00:10.57 | Wobin | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info13862-Hoot.html |
| 00:11.33 | Wobin | imo, it's really not Twitter |
| 00:11.59 | Corrodias | "i'm farming" |
| 00:12.01 | Wobin | at least not as people expect twitter to act. |
| 00:12.03 | Corrodias | "i'm still farming" |
| 00:12.09 | Corrodias | "now i'm grinding" |
| 00:12.23 | Wobin | "I'm poopin" |
| 00:12.25 | Wobin | "I'm poopin!" |
| 00:12.31 | Wobin | "False alarm" |
| 00:13.32 | Corrodias | lol |
| 00:16.41 | alestane | Wobin: Did you censor the word "Twitter" yourself, or am I missing something? |
| 00:16.49 | Wobin | alestane: that's not my addon |
| 00:16.54 | Wobin | that's the one Shadowed was thinking of |
| 00:17.11 | Wobin | and tbh, I'm not sure why WoWI censored that =P |
| 00:17.18 | Wobin | "itte"? |
| 00:17.43 | Wobin | unless they were trying to avoid some copyright issue? |
| 00:18.04 | Wobin | it seems they changed the arbitary character limit to 151 |
| 00:18.49 | Thunder_Child | interesting, so it seems that a bad vid card will freeze a system |
| 00:19.57 | Corrodias | hardware errors can cause some wacky issues |
| 00:22.05 | Thunder_Child | going from 8800GTX -> 7600 GS is horrid |
| 00:22.18 | Wobin | ugh |
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| 00:37.32 | batrick | win 2 |
| 00:38.02 | bleeter | kd3: so with ChromeOS on the way, I wonder which gaming company will wake up and realise Splashtop was only the beginning, and start putting out regular, professional, games for Linux ;) |
| 00:38.15 | bleeter | and if nVidia will wake up to themselves, too ;) |
| 00:38.34 | kd3 | indeed |
| 00:38.37 | batrick | you mean open up their drivers? |
| 00:39.14 | bleeter | batrick: well ChromeOS will unlikely be available on nVidia without the underperforming nouveau drivers |
| 00:39.26 | bleeter | and underperforming drivers are ugly for a GFX company.. so ... ;) |
| 00:39.39 | Shirik_ | well ChromeOS wasn't made to play games |
| 00:39.47 | bleeter | not that the ATI drivers are stunning, but there's a year or two head start |
| 00:39.54 | bleeter | Shirik_: wasn't? ITS NOT EVEN OUT YET |
| 00:40.11 | bleeter | you can pretty much bet, though, that people will hack it to start doing fancy foo |
| 00:40.30 | Corrodias | ChromeOS was made to search for things, rather than to do things. |
| 00:40.42 | bleeter | was |
| 00:40.42 | Dagmar | Oh, like Windows then |
| 00:40.46 | bleeter | there's that past tense again |
| 00:40.57 | Corrodias | chromeos came and went. you missed it. |
| 00:41.59 | Shirik_ | youp |
| 00:45.00 | Wobin | rofl@Yahtzee's analogies |
| 00:45.26 | bleeter | kd3: I just wish canonical wasn't paying so much $ to reverse engineer flash, and pay for an open alternative |
| 00:45.34 | bleeter | unless I missed the news |
| 00:46.14 | kd3 | gah... now what is he trying to do? I still wish flash/silverlight would die |
| 00:46.58 | bleeter | for what it's worth, I've given up building wine with upnp, fuck blizz if they can't be nice to people who are doing their testing work for them and have an easy download |
| 00:47.23 | bleeter | so I'm downloading splashtop and gunna try puting radeon and wine inside it just for lols |
| 00:47.46 | bleeter | or at least, ahve a good look at what they do as opposed to previous cursory glances |
| 00:48.43 | bleeter | kd3: problem with getting flash to die, I guess.. is Adobe own some really nice video patents |
| 00:49.10 | bleeter | although there's schrodinger, I guess .. dunno that much about that one |
| 00:49.15 | kd3 | wtb <video>... oh wait! |
| 00:49.32 | bleeter | I recall the BBC devs @ linux.conf.au talking lots about 'almost done' 'still to do' etc. |
| 00:49.44 | Wobin | "And, and this earthâs been here 6000 years â and I know Iâm going on and on and Iâll shut up â itâs been here 6000 years, long before anybody had environmental laws and somehow it hasnât been done away with. And, uh, we need to get the uranium here in Arizona so this state can get the money from it, and the revenue from it. And it can be done safely, and youâll never even know the mine was there when theyâre done. I am |
| 00:49.45 | Wobin | for this." |
| 00:50.01 | bleeter | like how most of their 2008 HD Olympics stuff was all schrodinger, but for other stuff it's rather intensive long work |
| 00:50.08 | Wobin | Why don't people stop these sorts of things from being said? |
| 00:50.24 | Dagmar | Oh so that's what they call hookers in Utah? |
| 00:50.50 | bleeter | that bbc sheila was good value and not at all stuck up |
| 00:50.51 | Dagmar | "Send some 'schrodinger' up to my room" |
| 00:52.26 | NightHawkTheSane | Wobin: because murderering idiots is still, sadly, illegal |
| 00:52.41 | bleeter | NightHawkTheSane: only if you get caught |
| 00:52.51 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not good enough to not |
| 00:53.03 | bleeter | :( |
| 00:55.01 | NightHawkTheSane | assassination is not really in my skill set. :\ |
| 00:55.14 | NightHawkTheSane | much as i wish it were otherwise. i might be able to get a good job then |
| 01:04.54 | ScytheBlade1 | http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/vistahardware/thread/720108ee-0a9c-4090-b62d-bbd5cb1a7605 |
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| 01:09.18 | bleeter | jnwhiteh: I only have one thing to say to you.... |
| 01:09.25 | bleeter | ~impressiveclergyman |
| 01:09.26 | purl | Mawage. Mawage is wot bwings us togeder tooday. Mawage, that bwessed awangment, that dweam wifin a dweam... And wuv, tru wuv, will fowow you foweva... So tweasure your wuv. |
| 01:09.32 | Dagmar | weet jesus |
| 01:09.41 | Dagmar | er sweet |
| 01:10.00 | Dagmar | I had a bad feeling about seeing "social.answers.microsoft.com" and my fears were apparrently well-founded |
| 01:13.08 | Lukian | wow that's a troll fest and a half |
| 01:13.22 | bleeter | Dagmar: thx.. actually... no thanks .. DIAF!!! |
| 01:13.24 | bleeter | ;) |
| 01:13.33 | Seerah | wow |
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| 01:17.29 | Nafe | WorldMapFrame.lua, ln119: PlayerArrowEffectFrame:SetFrameLevel(9001);--It's over nine thousand!!!!! |
| 01:17.41 | Thunder_Child | ~lart Nafe |
| 01:17.41 | purl | dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on Nafe |
| 01:18.11 | Nafe | I assume that was already seen by the channel, but meh I laughed |
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| 01:26.48 | Kraps | 1st rule of interacting with a wheelchair-bound person: don't touch the wheelchair without permission |
| 01:26.56 | Kraps | 2nd rule of interacting with a wheelchair-bound person: don't touch the wheelchair without permission |
| 01:27.27 | Kraps | 2nd rule of interacting with a wheelchair-bound person: DONT TOUCH THE FUCKING WHEELCHAIR W/O PERMISSION |
| 01:27.40 | Kraps | 3rd* |
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| 01:30.10 | theorbtwo | Kraps: Are you wheelchair-bound? |
| 01:30.17 | Kraps | yes |
| 01:30.38 | Seerah | are there two number 2's?... |
| 01:31.09 | Thunder_Child | 4th rule of interacting with a wheelchair-bound person: yes we can all pop wheelies, no we are not going to do it for you. |
| 01:31.10 | Kraps | Seerah: you had to go there :( |
| 01:31.28 | Seerah | yeah... sorry :p |
| 01:31.39 | theorbtwo | Thunder_Child: Really? |
| 01:31.52 | Kraps | Thunder_Child: lulz not all of us can but you are correct |
| 01:32.00 | theorbtwo | Even on a joystick-controlled one? |
| 01:32.12 | Kraps | i'm mostly in an electric one |
| 01:32.17 | Thunder_Child | pfft, then it's automatic theorbtwo |
| 01:32.21 | Thunder_Child | jsut a button push |
| 01:32.24 | Thunder_Child | just* |
| 01:32.30 | Seerah | need a lift put in then :p |
| 01:32.31 | theorbtwo | knew a girl who often-times relied on an electric. |
| 01:32.35 | theorbtwo | (She's dead now.) |
| 01:32.46 | VukodlaK | great story orb |
| 01:32.54 | VukodlaK | very uplifting |
| 01:32.56 | Kraps | rofl :| |
| 01:33.40 | theorbtwo | Er, sorry. Not sure why I felt the need to disambiguate why I used the past-tense. |
| 01:33.54 | Thunder_Child | 5th rule of interacting with a wheelchair-bound person: if my legs actually worked i would be kicking you in the ass. thanks for asking. |
| 01:34.35 | Seerah | someone should take these all down and print out a pamphlet |
| 01:34.39 | Kraps | ^ |
| 01:35.02 | theorbtwo | T-shirt! |
| 01:35.18 | VukodlaK | hahah |
| 01:35.44 | theorbtwo | Hell, get it emblazoned on the back of the seat. |
| 01:36.05 | theorbtwo | (Though I know I'd normally hang a bag of some sort back there anyway.) |
| 01:36.08 | Seerah | I don't know... then someone in a wheelchair might be offended at people staring at them, when really they're trying to read the t-shirt |
| 01:36.10 | NightHawkTheSane | get it tattooed to your forehead. |
| 01:36.33 | Kraps | i have to constantly ask the same people to not use the chair as something to lean on |
| 01:36.38 | NightHawkTheSane | Seerah: i thought that would be the entire purpose? |
| 01:36.40 | Kraps | even siblings |
| 01:36.41 | Seerah | who's forehead can fit 5 rules? :p |
| 01:36.50 | Thunder_Child | 5? |
| 01:36.55 | NightHawkTheSane | i mean, thats why girls wear shirts that say things, right? so they can have righteous indignance at us staring at their breasts? |
| 01:36.58 | Thunder_Child | i'm not done making them up yet |
| 01:37.12 | Kraps | gogo TC |
| 01:37.14 | Seerah | TC: figured :p |
| 01:37.43 | Seerah | NHTS: I, personally, feel self-conscious when wearing shirts that draw attention that way :P |
| 01:38.04 | NightHawkTheSane | Seerah: you shouldn't, we'll still be staring at your breasts, most likely. ;) |
| 01:38.07 | Seerah | not to say that I don't have any shirts with stuff on them |
| 01:38.28 | Seerah | :P |
| 01:39.25 | kd3 | >.> |
| 01:40.01 | Seerah | kd3: look! kitties! |
| 01:40.29 | NightHawkTheSane | is that what you call them? i meean.. er.. |
| 01:40.31 | NightHawkTheSane | fleees |
| 01:40.38 | kd3 | so many ways I could go with that that would get me slapped in 6 weeks |
| 01:41.00 | Kraps | rule 6: yknow, sometimes we LIKE sitting on the sidelines, instead of being in the middle of groups of people |
| 01:41.38 | Seerah | http://www.stuffonmycat.com/images/stories/20090706_puddy.jpg |
| 01:41.49 | Seerah | ~lart NHTS |
| 01:41.49 | purl | hauls NHTS up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles |
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| 01:42.39 | NightHawkTheSane | ;) |
| 01:43.19 | Seerah | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/07/08/funny-pictures-sparkys-last-sight-was/ |
| 01:43.50 | Kraps | thats nasty |
| 01:50.30 | Thunder_Child | i dunno Kraps, i would let people lean, i would also say something to the effect of, "dont be surprised when you fall over because i moved away" |
| 01:51.06 | Kraps | hmm |
| 01:51.10 | theorbtwo | 6 weeks? |
| 01:52.03 | NightHawkTheSane | Thunder_Child: warnings are for noobs. let em fall, then laugh |
| 01:52.16 | Thunder_Child | NightHawkTheSane, just the first time they ever do it |
| 01:52.24 | Kraps | its a little different for me, i have a pretty top-level chair and can seriously hurt someone if i run into them |
| 01:52.56 | Thunder_Child | not into, away from |
| 01:53.16 | kd3 | theorbtwo, blizzcon |
| 01:53.32 | theorbtwo | Ah, something like that was my guess. |
| 01:54.17 | Seerah | can't tear away from teh lolcatz |
| 01:54.18 | Seerah | http://icanhascheezburger.com/2009/06/27/funny-pictures-the-dogs-expectations/ |
| 01:58.17 | Nafe | is anyone else having problems extracting the PTR UI? FrameXML/ CombatLog.lua and Comblog.xml didn't extract for me for some reason. It seems sometimes they do, sometimes they don't |
| 01:58.36 | kd3 | make sure you've got the newest addon extraction kit |
| 01:58.40 | kd3 | ~framexml |
| 01:58.41 | purl | Get the official Blizzard Interface AddOn Kit: http://us.blizzard.com/support/article.xml?locale=en_US&articleId=21465 or view it online at http://wowcompares.com/ |
| 01:59.46 | Nafe | my kit is dated Oct. 17, 2007 |
| 02:00.03 | kd3 | yah... try getting an update from ^ |
| 02:00.34 | Nafe | yep, doing so. Didn't realize they updated that thing ever |
| 02:00.55 | kd3 | they do it when we yell loudly that something's broken |
| 02:00.59 | kd3 | which happens rarely |
| 02:01.40 | Nafe | heh seems it happened last Jun 4, 2008. Guess I was a bit out of date. Thanks =) |
| 02:01.50 | kd3 | np |
| 02:03.56 | Nafe | strange, CombatLog.lua still didn't extract. I dunno what the issue is |
| 02:04.39 | Nafe | neither the lua nor the xml file |
| 02:06.50 | kd3 | that's because it appears they pulled it |
| 02:07.03 | kd3 | CombatLog.lua 0 bytes |
| 02:08.05 | bleeter | oO VideoLan reached 1.0.0!! |
| 02:08.09 | bleeter | *VLC |
| 02:08.23 | kd3 | Nafe, it's in AddOns/Blizzard_CombatLog now |
| 02:09.29 | Nafe | kd3: thanks. For some reason my WinMerge must be bugged up as it's not bothering to show me this |
| 02:10.23 | kd3 | http://wowi.pastey.net/117242 |
| 02:10.32 | kd3 | <3 gnu diff |
| 02:11.19 | Thunder_Child | any VLC builds past 0.8.* suck |
| 02:11.28 | Thunder_Child | the gui went all wonkers |
| 02:11.33 | kd3 | vlc meh |
| 02:11.42 | Nafe | actually it seems that my addon kit extracted it to multiple locations for build 10048. That would explain why it said "Left Only" to me for the latest compare |
| 02:19.05 | tem | vlc hit 1.0 this week |
| 02:19.31 | bleeter | tem: welcome to 11 mins ago :P |
| 02:19.56 | NightHawkTheSane | s/11 mins/yesterday/ |
| 02:20.32 | tem | shrug |
| 02:20.37 | tem | just pointing it out in case you guys missed it |
| 02:20.42 | tem | I saw you were talking about .8 |
| 02:21.02 | tem | (I'm busy choosing steelbreaker so I didn't read up) |
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| 02:30.34 | Arrowmaster | it probably still has broken to hell h264 decoding |
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| 02:31.25 | bleeter | what, like apple encoders? :P |
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| 02:45.49 | mikma | http://svn.wowinterface.com/listing.php?repname=mikma&path=%2FInvataxi%2F#_Invataxi_ |
| 02:45.52 | mikma | :D |
| 02:46.08 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/WoWScrnShot_070909_053112.jpg |
| 02:46.26 | mikma | gets marks from party and calculates them together |
| 02:46.31 | mikma | (self/party) bg name |
| 02:46.41 | mikma | also, doubleclicking the bg name will queue for that one |
| 02:46.48 | bleeter | kd3: http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/wikipedians-are-a-bunch-of-egocentric-introverts-study-20090708-dcnk.html |
| 02:50.14 | Dagmar | How does that make them any different from any other sector of academia? |
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| 02:58.40 | End | oh boy |
| 02:58.48 | End | server broke |
| 03:00.04 | Shirik|Ghost | ? |
| 03:00.34 | End | half our raid is either lagged out, or completely disconnected |
| 03:00.37 | End | and can't get back in |
| 03:00.41 | Shirik | win |
| 03:00.53 | Shirik | obviously the game is compensating for your OPness |
| 03:00.55 | End | supposedly server restart soon |
| 03:01.00 | End | but I can't see it |
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| 03:04.53 | Wobin | omg |
| 03:04.54 | Wobin | http://www.pinktentacle.com/2009/07/rice-paddy-art/ |
| 03:04.57 | Wobin | awesome |
| 03:05.04 | Wobin | I seem to be saying that a lot |
| 03:06.09 | mikma | captain awesome |
| 03:06.25 | theorbtwo | (Captain awesome)++ |
| 03:07.17 | Cairenn | omg Wobin, that is too cool! |
| 03:10.10 | pompy1 | End: you in the reckoning battlegroup? |
| 03:13.42 | End | yes |
| 03:13.43 | End | yes I am |
| 03:13.47 | End | seems to be working now though |
| 03:14.47 | Wobin | I know right? I may be overusing the word, but with good reason! |
| 03:18.08 | Shirik | :( |
| 03:18.18 | Shirik | I just clicked the "Random" button on XKCD comic about 30 times |
| 03:18.23 | Shirik | and recognized all of the comics |
| 03:18.32 | Shirik | this is depressing, or awesome, or both |
| 03:18.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I can do the same |
| 03:18.46 | ScytheBlade1 | With xkcd and penny arcade |
| 03:24.15 | Thunder_Child | depressingly aswesome |
| 03:24.19 | Thunder_Child | awesome* |
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| 03:33.32 | BlackNet | lo |
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| 03:38.43 | NightHawkTheSane | what's the phrase.. co-something doesn't imply causation? can't think of the first part, mind melting.. |
| 03:39.03 | Corrodias | i don't know. coincidence? |
| 03:39.05 | Iriel | correlation |
| 03:39.42 | NightHawkTheSane | Iriel: thank you. :) |
| 03:40.11 | Iriel | Glad to be of service 8-) |
| 03:40.33 | BlackNet | know of any plugin that allows you to search for ore by type and distance from your present location? |
| 03:40.41 | NightHawkTheSane | trying to explain to a guildy why casual doesn't imply poor skill. :P |
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| 03:50.56 | Dagmar | Ban him from the forums so he'll stop absorbing all that stupid. |
| 03:51.38 | Dagmar | That's a mindset that's almost a stereotype for forum idiots |
| 03:52.25 | BlackNet | Dagmar who? |
| 03:52.32 | Shirik | lua> t = {tonumber("10101000", 2), tonumber("100110", 2)}; print(string.chat(t[1]), string.char(t[2])) |
| 03:52.36 | lua_bot | Shirik: luabot:1: attempt to call field 'chat' (a nil value) |
| 03:52.43 | Shirik | lua> t = {tonumber("10101000", 2), tonumber("100110", 2)}; print(string.char(t[1]), string.char(t[2])) |
| 03:52.44 | Dagmar | NightHawkTheSane's guild member |
| 03:52.44 | lua_bot | Shirik: ¨, & |
| 03:53.00 | BlackNet | what i was thinking wanted to make sure |
| 03:53.13 | Dagmar | Yeah, I'm "casual" in that I raid about twice a month |
| 03:53.26 | Dagmar | Skill, I have. I live for pulling off bacon-saves with misdirect. |
| 03:53.38 | Dagmar | I just don't give enough of a damn to play this game five nights a week. |
| 03:53.54 | Dagmar | ...and there's lots of adults just like me |
| 03:54.09 | Dagmar | I've already got a job. ;) |
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| 04:28.25 | Iriel | sighs, a power failure a few days ago corrupted the signatures table for my spam filter now my inbox is overrun with crap |
| 04:29.59 | Cairenn | ewwww |
| 04:30.04 | Cairenn | that's horrible Iriel :( |
| 04:32.03 | Dagmar | Gmail > Spam |
| 04:32.05 | Nafe | yuck |
| 04:32.07 | Dagmar | Thank god |
| 04:32.38 | Iriel | Every year I get closer to saying screw it and just moving my domains to gmail |
| 04:32.52 | ScytheBlade1 | hahaha |
| 04:32.55 | ScytheBlade1 | A friend just messaged me |
| 04:32.56 | Dagmar | I quit maintaining my vanity mail server and domain because of Gmail |
| 04:32.56 | Gnarfoz | sounds like a good idea :> |
| 04:32.57 | ScytheBlade1 | "Michael Jackson REALLY needs to die" |
| 04:33.03 | ScytheBlade1 | It's funny because it's true |
| 04:33.08 | Dagmar | ScytheBlade1: He doesn't watch much TV does he |
| 04:33.15 | Dagmar | ...or um, leave the house |
| 04:33.18 | ScytheBlade1 | ... that was his point! |
| 04:33.22 | ScytheBlade1 | It is EVERYWHERE |
| 04:33.39 | Dagmar | Well, he's dead _now_ and that didn't stop him |
| 04:33.42 | Dagmar | Any more big ideas? |
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| 05:06.22 | End | fire is candy, get in the van |
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| 05:08.20 | Fisker | slaps ScytheBlade1 around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:08.22 | Fisker | slaps Gnarfoz around a bit with a large trout |
| 05:13.07 | ScytheBlade1 | Fisker: that's what you get for being moderately constructive in public |
| 05:16.02 | Fisker | ? |
| 05:17.02 | ScytheBlade1 | I SAW YOU |
| 05:17.06 | ScytheBlade1 | YOU CANNOT DENY IT |
| 05:17.32 | End | I'd be fine with denying it |
| 05:17.42 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:24.36 | Kraps | do we say"downing" the Watchers? |
| 05:35.44 | Gnarfoz | ...what? |
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| 05:58.04 | End | my second computer keeps crashing |
| 05:58.09 | End | or something |
| 05:58.11 | End | it's locking up |
| 06:02.21 | Fisker | slaps ScytheBlade1 around a bit with a large trout |
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| 06:06.35 | TC-Away | whips Fisker with a mouse cord |
| 06:07.37 | Fisker | moans |
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| 06:34.15 | bleeter | cute, http://www.censordyne.com.au/ |
| 06:35.29 | Cairenn | lol |
| 06:38.12 | Corrodias | how anyone can think it's a good idea is beyond me. (and then i remember notalwaysright.com and weep) |
| 06:38.55 | Cairenn | aye |
| 06:39.26 | Wobin | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_SqhhJb_P3Kk/SlTAaPFILKI/AAAAAAAAIG8/nFIMt91T1M4/s1600-h/short+history+African+American+music.jpg |
| 06:40.49 | Fisker | sends a huge laser of rage towards Wobin |
| 06:41.58 | Wobin | a raser? |
| 06:42.02 | Wobin | or a rager? |
| 06:43.04 | Fisker | i'd say raser |
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| 06:49.52 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* so much for world pvp |
| 06:52.59 | Wobin | Did you know that you can log in today, create a new character with the class of your choice and see that character instantly turned into a level 50? |
| 06:53.08 | Wobin | wow... poor funcom |
| 06:53.14 | Wobin | they're kinda desperate =P |
| 07:00.50 | Cairenn | Wobin: which game? |
| 07:01.00 | Cairenn | AoC? |
| 07:01.06 | Wobin | yeah |
| 07:01.32 | Wobin | Your level 51 Bear Shaman awaits your return to Age Of Conan! |
| 07:05.34 | Industrial | >_> |
| 07:06.40 | Industrial | I remember leveling two characters to around 40-50 in a month, around 4 patches in between of which 2 were a complete class overhaul making the game not fun anymore (cause you can kill players everywhere) |
| 07:06.46 | Industrial | so I quit after a month :P |
| 07:07.32 | Industrial | guess i should have just rolled an archer/barb |
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| 07:16.50 | Conexion | So I've been looking all over the place for a decent resource or tutorial on getting going on developing Addons, and beyond Hello World and a half dozen broken or outdated tutorials, I cannot seem to find a decent place to learn more than "hello world". Does anybody out there have a magical link that might point me in the right direction to look for more information? |
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| 07:18.50 | Fisker | http://wowprogramming.com/ |
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| 07:21.55 | Conexion | Frisker: Thanks, that looks like a very helpful resource. I'm not expecting to have my hand held, and can work through the APIs, but would there happen to be a more step-by-step method for learning the various functions, or would it be best to look into getting one of their books? |
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| 07:26.38 | Fisker | dunno :P |
| 07:26.49 | Conexion | lol :p |
| 07:26.55 | tase_ | if i'dd wanna start coding addons, i'dd start by looking at the way wow loads the luas, structure and such, cuz it's nice to know how to make a frame, but u wanna load the code that does it |
| 07:27.09 | tase_ | so where can i find that |
| 07:28.04 | Conexion | Are you looking for the API on getting data from the game? |
| 07:29.18 | tase_ | well i have the wowprogramming page open, but i'dd like to know who wow loads scripts, like where do i code in a console command with parameters that i could use ingame |
| 07:29.31 | tase_ | how* |
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| 07:32.08 | Conexion | Well, WoW looks at all the Addons and starts yours as soon as you tell it to start. Basically it checks the XML file to see what the structure of things are, and then when the user interacts with your interface, it goes to the LUA file to process the data and the like |
| 07:32.17 | krka | Conexion: If you are referring to the programming language, you should write Lua instead of LUA :-P |
| 07:32.18 | Conexion | I'm rather new myself, but that's how I understand it |
| 07:32.30 | Conexion | Well, the Lua file :P |
| 07:32.40 | Conexion | But you're right |
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| 07:33.16 | tase_ | so wow has defined functions (like "OnLoad" or something) and if I defined that function in the LUA it will execute the code in it ? |
| 07:34.04 | Conexion | Yup, as long as you say what lua file to look at for the function/method - eg: <Script File="AddOnName.lua"/> |
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| 07:34.35 | tase_ | and you put that in the init file (where there is the name, desc, version, wow version and such) ? |
| 07:35.12 | Conexion | Yup, at the bottom of the *.toc file include that file |
| 07:35.20 | tase_ | i see |
| 07:35.47 | tase_ | well thanks im gunna go to bed now but ill check it up when i have some free time tomorow |
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| 07:55.04 | Wobin | hm |
| 07:55.07 | Wobin | someone is cooking mushrooms |
| 07:55.11 | Wobin | and it smells really good |
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| 08:03.51 | Industrial | .playing |
| 08:03.54 | Industrial | wups wc |
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| 08:58.30 | jnwhiteh | why don't people understand.. that if they bind a spell to right-click.. it will overwrite their show menu binding. |
| 09:00.12 | nevcairiel | but but, there are only so many mouse buttons! |
| 09:03.19 | jnwhiteh | well these aren't people who are packed. |
| 09:03.22 | jnwhiteh | they do it first thing |
| 09:03.23 | jnwhiteh | download the addon |
| 09:03.31 | jnwhiteh | and say "Gee, I'd like my right click to cast a spell" |
| 09:03.38 | jnwhiteh | then cry and bitch and moan when they can no longer open the menu |
| 09:03.42 | jnwhiteh | like.. how in the fuck did you expect it to work? |
| 09:05.05 | nevcairiel | People are not smart |
| 09:05.14 | nevcairiel | I wish i could be more selective |
| 09:05.23 | nevcairiel | Like, my raidframes have no menu anyway |
| 09:05.33 | nevcairiel | so make right-click cast on those |
| 09:05.36 | nevcairiel | but not on other frames |
| 09:06.14 | nevcairiel | should hack a custom thing to do that based on ClickCastFrames |
| 09:06.24 | Wobin | jnwhiteh: the addon is supposed to READ MY MIND |
| 09:06.27 | Wobin | duh |
| 09:07.22 | jnwhiteh | nevcairiel: that will be coming in Clique2 |
| 09:07.32 | jnwhiteh | basically rather than ClickCastFrames = true |
| 09:07.42 | jnwhiteh | you'll do ClickCastFrames[button] = {} |
| 09:07.47 | jnwhiteh | where {} can be the button itself |
| 09:07.58 | jnwhiteh | and you'll have keys set to stuff |
| 09:08.02 | jnwhiteh | like _click_set |
| 09:08.03 | jnwhiteh | etc. |
| 09:08.13 | jnwhiteh | so you can easily disable all frames for one addon |
| 09:08.18 | jnwhiteh | or a group of them, if the unit frame supports it |
| 09:08.19 | nevcairiel | thats nice |
| 09:08.22 | jnwhiteh | but that'll be a bit still =) |
| 09:08.30 | jnwhiteh | I need to get other stuff off my plate before I cna jump on clique2 |
| 09:18.21 | Fisker | herro jnwhiteh |
| 09:18.24 | Fisker | i got you a customer |
| 09:18.32 | Fisker | can has referral fee? |
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| 09:26.07 | jnwhiteh | cus-tom-er? |
| 09:26.08 | jnwhiteh | what are those? |
| 09:27.51 | jnwhiteh | okay off to the office |
| 09:27.57 | jnwhiteh | will only sign-on if i can afford the distraction |
| 09:27.59 | jnwhiteh | buhbye |
| 09:31.57 | Adys | OH YES |
| 09:32.07 | Adys | I love it when my regexes work on the first shot |
| 09:32.17 | Adys | <_sre.SRE_Match object at 0xb75b588> (u'59307', u'\r\n\r\nAny targets killed by your Corpse Explosion damage within $50444A1 yds will also explode. Triggered explosions can only occur once every 6 sec.', u'') |
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| 09:45.33 | TopTop18 | Eey! |
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| 12:30.13 | mikma | http://thesuperficial.com/2009/07/0708_lady_gaga.php |
| 12:31.13 | mikma | po po po poke her face |
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| 12:54.44 | Lopeppeppy | has a hangover. Rawr. |
| 12:54.45 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.56 | alestane | Oops. |
| 12:55.01 | alestane | Not pounce so much then. |
| 12:55.11 | Lopeppeppy | Sleeping meds not so much wearing off this morning, oooooooooky |
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| 12:58.00 | Fisker | makes an irritating noise |
| 12:58.22 | Fisker | Also pinch yourself in the skin between your fingers |
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| 12:59.54 | Lopeppeppy | Trust me, I've been through cold showers, etc... until the medication is metabolized, it's all temporary pain-induced panic alertness. |
| 13:00.46 | Fisker | this is different |
| 13:01.03 | Fisker | It's actually a true storye |
| 13:01.04 | Fisker | story |
| 13:01.14 | Fisker | It's not because it's pain but because of the location |
| 13:01.19 | Fisker | Works on most people as well |
| 13:01.27 | Fisker | of course it comes back after you stop but still :P |
| 13:01.42 | alestane | So you're hung over on your medication? That makes more sense, I can't see you drinking yourself silly on a Wednesday. |
| 13:02.01 | alestane | Or in general, for that matter. |
| 13:02.04 | Lopeppeppy | I haven't drunk myself silly since the week after TKFT walked out. It's a once every 10 years thing for me. :) |
| 13:02.46 | krka | i forgot, what does TKFT stand for? |
| 13:02.54 | alestane | The TV works fine. In fact it is kind of a relief to be able to get the RF modulator out of there. |
| 13:03.24 | Lopeppeppy | krka: Team Killing Fucktard, from Red vs. Blue |
| 13:03.29 | Lopeppeppy | Yay for televisions! |
| 13:03.38 | krka | i see |
| 13:03.38 | alestane | Only it took me a little while to find out that you *really* have to push hard to get the AV plugs on. |
| 13:04.09 | Lopeppeppy | Mustn't be too gentle with our technology, hmm alestane? |
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| 14:12.03 | Kraps | smile it is a very easy thing/just smile to others happiness you'll bring/smile together smile forever smile |
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| 14:14.25 | Kraps | season 2 of the guild is coming to youtube |
| 14:14.32 | Lopeppeppy | Sweet |
| 14:14.50 | Kraps | saw it on msn aleady |
| 14:16.28 | Kraps | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v374/AnimeGamer/BlizzCon%202008/BlizzCon2008140.jpg |
| 14:17.03 | Lopeppeppy | Pretty |
| 14:17.24 | Kraps | the sign |
| 14:17.35 | Lopeppeppy | Huh, the girls were holding a sign? :P |
| 14:18.26 | Kraps | ... |
| 14:18.40 | Lopeppeppy | This from another girl. :) |
| 14:19.05 | Kraps | yeah |
| 14:19.12 | Kraps | so that was wierd |
| 14:19.19 | Lopeppeppy | Peppy has a sense of aesthetics! |
| 14:19.30 | Nafe | <- is confused @ Peppy |
| 14:19.48 | Lopeppeppy | Ask me a question, Nafe, I 'splains. |
| 14:20.02 | Kraps | Nafe: if she like girls, who are we to judge? |
| 14:20.20 | Nafe | What's pretty? -_- The sign, or the girls, or the picture in general? |
| 14:20.23 | Lopeppeppy | All desserts are pretty. I wouldn't eat them all, but they look nice on the plate anyway. |
| 14:20.32 | Lopeppeppy | Nafe, the girls are pretty, I ignored the sign completely. |
| 14:21.20 | Lopeppeppy | Which is a typically male reaction. I however, am female, so there's some shock factor that Kraps registered in response. :) |
| 14:21.46 | Kraps | i'm still getting over it |
| 14:22.05 | Nafe | I don't think "pretty" is a typical male reaction ;) |
| 14:22.25 | Kraps | indeed |
| 14:22.31 | Lopeppeppy | Ignoring the sign in favor of checking out the girl is though, which is more what I meant. |
| 14:22.35 | nevcairiel | pretty is a girl word |
| 14:22.44 | Elkano | *insert random "I'd hit it" image here* |
| 14:22.51 | Elkano | better for a male reaction? |
| 14:22.56 | Lopeppeppy | Silly girly words. :P |
| 14:23.24 | |Jelly| | "twice" |
| 14:23.38 | Nafe | Peppy: "the girl"? I see two, am I missing something? =P |
| 14:23.56 | Lopeppeppy | I said girls at least once. |
| 14:24.16 | Kraps | http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/95/l_6ce9965f324cfb4f5b79c16224e9296b.jpg i'd hit it |
| 14:24.32 | Lopeppeppy | I counted the smiles, I promise, said they were both pretty. |
| 14:24.56 | Nafe | Peppy: I was just playing, hence the =P |
| 14:25.08 | Lopeppeppy | Girls are squishy. |
| 14:25.24 | Kraps | hence they are healers |
| 14:25.35 | Lopeppeppy | What-ev-uh |
| 14:28.14 | Gnarfoz | lua> "\195\252" |
| 14:28.14 | Kraps | if anyone wants to join me http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=17617972819&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 14:28.14 | lua_bot | Gnarfoz: Ãü |
| 14:28.21 | Gnarfoz | lua> "\194\252" |
| 14:28.21 | lua_bot | Gnarfoz: Âü |
| 14:28.22 | Nafe | Trees aren't very squishy |
| 14:28.49 | Gnarfoz | lua> "\195\45" |
| 14:28.49 | lua_bot | Gnarfoz: Ã- |
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| 14:34.50 | Nafe | lua> "\73\39\109\32\97\32\108\117\97\95\98\111\116" |
| 14:34.50 | lua_bot | Nafe: I'm a lua_bot |
| 14:34.54 | Nafe | cheers |
| 14:35.56 | Shirik | hm, interesting point |
| 14:36.11 | Shirik | with the move to 64 bits, UNIX timestamps will be able to handle +/- nearly 300k years |
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| 14:36.25 | Shirik | they should be more exact, e.g., number of milliseconds since 1970 |
| 14:37.30 | Shirik | oh wait I'm sorry |
| 14:37.39 | Shirik | if you did every microsecond, you'd get +/- nearly 300k years |
| 14:37.42 | Shirik | holy crap |
| 14:38.13 | Nafe | dang |
| 14:38.22 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUawhjxLS2I&feature=player_embedded |
| 14:39.08 | krka | (2^64) microseconds = 584 554.531 years |
| 14:40.02 | Nafe | lua> 2^64/3600/1000000/24/256 |
| 14:40.02 | Shirik | so nearly +/- 300k, yes |
| 14:40.02 | lua_bot | Nafe: 833999.93099454 |
| 14:40.12 | Nafe | erm I did that wrong =\ |
| 14:40.55 | Nafe | 256 gah... it's still so early |
| 14:40.59 | Nafe | lua> 2^64/3600/1000000/24/364 |
| 14:40.59 | lua_bot | Nafe: 586549.40201814 |
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| 14:41.21 | Shirik | except there's 365.2475 days in a year |
| 14:41.29 | Nafe | doh! |
| 14:41.35 | Nafe | lua> 2^64/3600/1000000/24/365.2475 |
| 14:41.35 | lua_bot | Nafe: 584546.04709026 |
| 14:41.49 | Shirik | I'm willing to bet krka didn't count leap years |
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| 14:42.03 | krka | I used google |
| 14:42.10 | Shirik | well then google didn't :P |
| 14:42.17 | Shirik | or lua_bot is having a rounding issue |
| 14:42.39 | foxlit | I think you're misestimating the error margins that could cause. |
| 14:42.43 | krka | 1 year = 365.242199 days |
| 14:43.19 | Shirik | hm |
| 14:43.26 | Seerah | uh oh, now who's right? ;) |
| 14:43.26 | Nafe | according to google |
| 14:43.38 | Shirik | google is too powerful |
| 14:43.40 | Shirik | we must overthrow it |
| 14:43.48 | Shirik | let's make days 365.2475 days instead |
| 14:43.51 | Nafe | lua> kill_google() |
| 14:43.55 | lua_bot | Nafe: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'kill_google' (a nil value) |
| 14:43.57 | foxlit | (2^64) seconds = 5.84554531 Ã 1011 years |
| 14:44.01 | Nafe | nope =\ |
| 14:44.29 | krka | google is awesome! http://www.google.se/search?q=the+answer+to+life+the+universe+and+everything |
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| 14:45.17 | Nafe | krka: what language is google.se? |
| 14:45.25 | foxlit | swedish. |
| 14:48.29 | foxlit | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUawhjxLS2I&fmt=22 << Hey, Microsoft promotional videos. |
| 14:48.39 | Lopeppeppy | uses brain bleach and doesn't go there! |
| 14:49.08 | Nafe | Bleach is bad for the brain! |
| 14:49.39 | nicoli_s | hey, curse is in a microsoft promotional video |
| 14:49.44 | nicoli_s | and they show off my stuff! |
| 14:50.31 | Gnarfoz | wut? |
| 14:50.32 | nevcairiel | its really sad that MS doesnt have better stuff to show |
| 14:51.04 | foxlit | Meh. I think it's an awesome premise. |
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| 14:51.32 | nicoli_s | http://web.me.com/cbs_production/MICROSOFT/Media/curse5min.mov in case anyone wondered what i was talking about |
| 14:51.33 | foxlit | Execution is also far from being atrocious. |
| 14:53.27 | Gnarfoz | ah, I was wondering how foxlit's video and what you said made any sense |
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| 14:56.35 | Nafe | foxlit: I'm actually impressed. I didn't think MS would make such a parody commercial. (of course I watched it w/o sound, so I'm just commenting on the visuals) |
| 14:56.57 | Seerah | you watched without sound? You missed all the puns :p |
| 14:57.25 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX8yrOAjfKM&feature=PlayList&p=0704B55480867B61&index=29 the matrix on win xp |
| 14:57.29 | Gnarfoz | indeed, how could you stand watching it from start to end without sound :D |
| 14:58.07 | Nafe | Don't really have a choice here =\ |
| 14:59.04 | Gnarfoz | man |
| 14:59.07 | Gnarfoz | Hubert's english sux! |
| 14:59.08 | Nafe | ah junk, Office2010 still uses the 2007-style menu bars. I'm not going to get it |
| 14:59.16 | nevcairiel | he is french, what do you expect |
| 14:59.18 | Gnarfoz | ~seen netcurse |
| 14:59.20 | purl | netcurse <n=hthieblo@dsl092-049-237.sfo4.dsl.speakeasy.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 16d 19h 1m 13s ago, saying: 'sc2 beta starts this week'. |
| 14:59.20 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: then it just becomes a generic thriller trailer. |
| 14:59.20 | Gnarfoz | yeah, well |
| 14:59.38 | Seerah | Gnarfoz: it's not so bad, he just has the thick accent. though he didn't seem so comfortable with her on camera :p |
| 14:59.55 | Gnarfoz | Seerah: I think that's just the cuts making it look weird |
| 15:00.04 | Seerah | perhaps |
| 15:00.09 | Gnarfoz | and yeah, grammar is good, but the accent :D |
| 15:00.21 | Seerah | how's your french? ;) |
| 15:00.33 | Gnarfoz | pretty accent free, since I don't speak a word of it :D |
| 15:00.39 | Wobin | Matisyahu is an interesting act |
| 15:00.46 | Gnarfoz | but my english is pretty good (I'm german ;)) |
| 15:00.54 | nevcairiel | At least we (northern) germans speak good english |
| 15:00.58 | Gnarfoz | word |
| 15:01.00 | nevcairiel | i can't really speek for the southern part |
| 15:01.01 | Seerah | yes, though I can't vouch for your spoken english :p |
| 15:01.16 | Gnarfoz | University of Cambridge can, though, they liked it :) |
| 15:01.26 | Seerah | that would explain it |
| 15:01.28 | Gnarfoz | my only certificate that is actually worth shit :D |
| 15:01.32 | nevcairiel | I've been told i sound a bit like an american |
| 15:01.43 | nevcairiel | Well, british people said that |
| 15:02.03 | Seerah | I can buy that |
| 15:02.14 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: haha, when we were in the U.S. on student exchange people mistook us for britons :D |
| 15:02.16 | Nafe | If British people said that, wouldn't that be a bit of an insult? |
| 15:02.35 | nevcairiel | I should try to speak in british-english, it sounds so hilarious :D |
| 15:02.36 | Seerah | thinking about german pronunciations v. american/british english |
| 15:02.37 | Gnarfoz | or me and some other guy at least |
| 15:02.43 | Wobin | Hasidic reggae |
| 15:02.57 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxxuSiC4wNw |
| 15:03.18 | Kraps | ah matisyahu |
| 15:03.56 | Kraps | this is one of his better performances imo |
| 15:04.20 | nicoli_s | i like matisyaho |
| 15:04.24 | nicoli_s | yahu* |
| 15:06.33 | Kraps | i meant this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoG9bazH8UQ |
| 15:06.48 | nicoli_s | i saw him at bonnaroo a few years ago, was good |
| 15:07.03 | Ackis | ~seen NightHawkTheSane |
| 15:07.04 | purl | nighthawkthesane is currently on #wowuidev (3d 22h 28m 29s) #wowace (3d 22h 28m 29s). Has said a total of 72 messages. Is idling for 11h 26m 23s, last said: 'trying to explain to a guildy why casual doesn't imply poor skill. :P'. |
| 15:07.08 | Ackis | oops |
| 15:07.09 | Ackis | ~seen nicoli_s |
| 15:07.09 | purl | nicoli_s is currently on #wowuidev (2d 54m 52s) #arl (2d 54m 52s) #wowace (2d 54m 52s) #curseforge (2d 54m 52s). Has said a total of 214 messages. Is idling for 21s, last said: 'i saw him at bonnaroo a few years ago, was good'. |
| 15:07.17 | Ackis | bonneroo |
| 15:07.22 | Ackis | tehehehe |
| 15:07.44 | nicoli_s | never heard that one before :P |
| 15:07.57 | Nafe | Peppy: are you also getting tired of all the recent "will I be banned for login-screen modification" arm-chair lawyers? |
| 15:08.17 | Nafe | (saw that recent post of yours) |
| 15:09.47 | nicoli_s | whos modding their login screen? |
| 15:09.49 | cogwheel | chuckles @ http://skepticblog.org/2009/07/09/fun-with-manga/ |
| 15:10.07 | Gnarfoz | nicoli_s: I am |
| 15:10.10 | nicoli_s | and of course theyd get banned, that requires changing model files and then fucking with the mpqs so the signatures match right? |
| 15:10.19 | Gnarfoz | nope, doesn't |
| 15:10.36 | nicoli_s | what do you have to do? thats how people used to do it |
| 15:10.51 | Gnarfoz | just drop a 0 byte file with the appropriate model name into \WoW\Interface\GLUES\MODELS\UI_MainMenu_Northrend |
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| 15:11.15 | nevcairiel | they just want to disable stuff, not modify really |
| 15:11.20 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 15:11.47 | nicoli_s | ahh ok |
| 15:11.54 | nicoli_s | you dropping that in the mpq? or just the file structure? |
| 15:12.01 | Nafe | in most cases they just want to get rid of the WotLK screen, either using a blank screen, vanilla screen, bc screen, or some character select screen |
| 15:12.10 | Gnarfoz | no, just create those folders :) |
| 15:12.22 | Gnarfoz | wow reads the files from disk first, and then from the MPQs |
| 15:12.30 | nicoli_s | ahh thought blizz had removed the ability to load files from the directory structure |
| 15:12.31 | Gnarfoz | so if there's a file in the actual file system, it will use that |
| 15:12.33 | Gnarfoz | no |
| 15:12.43 | Gnarfoz | just made it ignore some paths |
| 15:12.49 | nicoli_s | was just about to say that :P |
| 15:12.52 | Gnarfoz | so it will never do that for player models :) |
| 15:13.13 | Gnarfoz | not sure if there's a list of what it ignores, but probably obvious stuff like stealth sounds etc |
| 15:13.28 | Gnarfoz | WMOs of all kinds, all ADTs, most M2s |
| 15:13.56 | Kraps | "dont bust a button, you only got one left" :D |
| 15:13.59 | Gnarfoz | I'd hope that warden reports the whole path, so it's obvious you're just using a drop-in replacement for UI_MainMenu_Northrend.M2 |
| 15:14.17 | Gnarfoz | which... will probably not give you any advantage, except faster load-times and no annoying dragon :D |
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| 15:14.45 | nicoli_s | has anyone been banned for it yet? |
| 15:15.21 | Nafe | no reports of a ban |
| 15:16.27 | Gnarfoz | and any ban would probably not include a specific enough explanation to pin it to that, even if there were any |
| 15:16.45 | Gnarfoz | also, people have been doing it for years, just like FishPing, so I guess they don't care that much |
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| 15:19.19 | Kraps | aw that office trailer is pretty good |
| 15:24.27 | nicoli_s | fishping? |
| 15:25.04 | Gnarfoz | nicoli_s: modified wave files for the fishing "splash" sound |
| 15:25.12 | nicoli_s | ahhh |
| 15:25.15 | Gnarfoz | volume increased + overlaid "ping" sound |
| 15:25.23 | Gnarfoz | so you can actually hear it while, say, watching a movie |
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| 15:26.23 | jnwhiteh | *** DO NOT INSTALL WITH CURSE-CLIENT *** |
| 15:26.24 | jnwhiteh | zomg |
| 15:26.32 | Gnarfoz | jnwhiteh: wtf? |
| 15:26.40 | jnwhiteh | thats what fishping says :P |
| 15:27.20 | Seerah | that's cause CC will put it in addons folder |
| 15:27.25 | jnwhiteh | i know =) |
| 15:27.33 | Seerah | just clarifying/explaining :p |
| 15:27.42 | jnwhiteh | too bad there is no way to know when YOUR bobber is ready |
| 15:27.59 | Nafe | SilentFish: more-or-less helps do the job |
| 15:28.28 | Gnarfoz | jnwhiteh: ah, yeah well, that warning is more or less justified, I guess :D |
| 15:28.41 | Thunder_Child | actually what blizz needs to do is reverse it |
| 15:28.45 | jnwhiteh | Nafe: link to silentfish? |
| 15:28.59 | Nafe | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info12226-SilentFish.html |
| 15:28.59 | jnwhiteh | i |
| 15:29.03 | jnwhiteh | i fucking hate the word cosplay |
| 15:29.10 | jnwhiteh | i want to stab people who type it in the mouth. |
| 15:29.14 | Kraps | Jessica rabbit has huge knockers |
| 15:29.20 | Nafe | I think it's based on empirical data that indicates your bobber only goes off during certain parts of the Fishing channel |
| 15:29.40 | jnwhiteh | Nafe: nice! |
| 15:29.57 | Nafe | it's thus not perfect, but helps quite a bit |
| 15:30.00 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 15:30.02 | jnwhiteh | really neat |
| 15:30.08 | jnwhiteh | novel solution to the "problem" |
| 15:30.29 | Torhal | jnwhiteh: I didn't realize it _was_ a word. |
| 15:30.31 | jnwhiteh | thanks foxlit =) |
| 15:30.39 | jnwhiteh | Torhal: Neither did |
| 15:30.39 | jnwhiteh | i |
| 15:30.47 | jnwhiteh | but now that I've seen it |
| 15:30.49 | jnwhiteh | i see it everywhere. |
| 15:30.58 | jnwhiteh | it was some asshole "blogger" on curse |
| 15:31.04 | jnwhiteh | that just reproduced their content in the blog |
| 15:31.08 | jnwhiteh | with links back to their site |
| 15:31.09 | Torhal | Heh. |
| 15:31.25 | Torhal | I just don't understand why it's so fucking hard to type "tume " |
| 15:31.26 | jnwhiteh | http://wow.curse.com/msgs/default.aspx?MessageID=74 |
| 15:31.35 | jnwhiteh | http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:7-Cm9-pRugUJ:wow.curse.com/blogs/girlwow/archive/2009/06/26/funny-wow-cospalys.aspx+cosplay+fatty+wow+curse&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk |
| 15:31.40 | jnwhiteh | "Have you ever tried cosplay before? Never to me, but I am very interested to it, and when I saw the following cosplays , I got to know cosplay is not that easy, and what do you think about that?" |
| 15:31.55 | jnwhiteh | "She should be a pretty girl without the make-up." |
| 15:32.06 | jnwhiteh | Haha,what do you think about these cosplays? Do you wanna have a try? |
| 15:32.07 | jnwhiteh | And if you wanna more cosplay photos, you can go to www.ignworld.com/CosplayShow/115.html |
| 15:32.10 | jnwhiteh | *STAB* |
| 15:32.12 | jnwhiteh | *STAB* |
| 15:32.24 | Torhal | *SLASH-STAB* |
| 15:32.53 | Ackis | wtf jnwhiteh "hello fatty" on that second link... |
| 15:32.57 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 15:33.02 | Torhal | Meh. That reminds me of the whole O.J. Simpson thing. The media gave me an intense hatred for the word "closure". |
| 15:33.03 | jnwhiteh | i hate these people. |
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| 15:33.42 | mikma | i hate people |
| 15:35.05 | mikma | oh dear lord |
| 15:35.08 | mikma | i hate you too, jnwhiteh |
| 15:35.12 | jnwhiteh | i'm a people |
| 15:35.14 | jnwhiteh | so that's natural |
| 15:35.16 | mikma | i hate the cosplay link the most |
| 15:35.36 | mikma | christ what's wrong with people |
| 15:35.39 | Ackis | I liked seeing the costumes at blizzcon, I didn't consider that cosplay |
| 15:35.53 | Ackis | however the slutty girl costumes are meh |
| 15:36.02 | mikma | http://www.ignworld.com/UploadFiles/image/mark_109014528860.jpg <- "look, i made it from cardboard! (or whatever)" |
| 15:36.05 | jnwhiteh | i consider it people wearing costumes |
| 15:36.11 | jnwhiteh | not fucking COSPLAY |
| 15:36.23 | Nafe | jnwhiteh: "I"m a people person" |
| 15:36.44 | mikma | http://www.ignworld.com/UploadFiles/image/mark_109014528868.jpg |
| 15:36.50 | mikma | only thing that rocks there |
| 15:37.10 | Wobin | oh man |
| 15:37.11 | Ackis | jnwhiteh: eh doesn't cosplay have a connotation to it? |
| 15:37.14 | Wobin | Oscar Meyer died =( |
| 15:37.24 | jnwhiteh | i have no idea |
| 15:37.26 | jnwhiteh | i hate the word |
| 15:37.29 | jnwhiteh | in my opinion, it does not exist |
| 15:37.54 | Ackis | lua> for i=1,1000,1 do print("cosplay") end |
| 15:37.58 | lua_bot | Ackis: cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cosplay, cos... (result truncated) |
| 15:38.06 | Ackis | :D |
| 15:38.12 | jnwhiteh | Ackis: What's your dodge rating? |
| 15:38.19 | mikma | lets see |
| 15:38.19 | Ackis | I'm a priest |
| 15:38.21 | *** kick/#wowuidev [Ackis!n=jnwhiteh@WoWUIDev/WoWI/Featured/Dongle/cladhaire] by jnwhiteh (Dodge this!) |
| 15:38.23 | Wobin | the undead rogue is kinda awesome |
| 15:38.26 | mikma | 0% |
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| 15:38.33 | Ackis | hahh |
| 15:38.36 | mikma | wobin: the warlock is nice too |
| 15:38.45 | mikma | at the bottom of the page |
| 15:39.07 | mikma | more surprise buttsecks links |
| 15:39.19 | Wobin | my god |
| 15:39.25 | Wobin | is that Ursula from the Little Mermaid? |
| 15:39.38 | Wobin | oh it -totally- is |
| 15:39.42 | Wobin | she even has the necklace =P |
| 15:39.59 | Nafe | Wobin: which necklace? |
| 15:40.05 | Wobin | The shell |
| 15:40.10 | Wobin | where she puts Ariel's voice |
| 15:40.34 | Wobin | That moonkin costume had a lot of work put into it |
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| 15:42.59 | Wobin | jnwhiteh: perhaps you don't consider it cosplay because you can recognise the source of the costumes =) |
| 15:43.16 | jnwhiteh | i don't understand what you're saying |
| 15:43.25 | jnwhiteh | 16:42 Wobin: jnwhiteh: perhaps you don't consider it because you can recognise the source of the costumes =) |
| 15:43.42 | Wobin | to me, cosplay is some esoteric anime dress up of whom I'd never encounter and is thus, weird |
| 15:43.59 | Seerah | wikipedia says cosplay == "costumed roleplay" |
| 15:44.14 | Seerah | if you're at a con in a costume, you're not roleplaying |
| 15:44.15 | Wobin | s/of whom/the souce of which/ |
| 15:44.26 | jnwhiteh | that word does not exist |
| 15:44.28 | jnwhiteh | stop saying it |
| 15:44.31 | Wobin | well, if you went to all that effort to dress up |
| 15:44.34 | Ackis | Seerah: if I put on y robe and wizard hat, am I cosplaying? |
| 15:44.35 | Wobin | you'd roleplay a bit, surely |
| 15:44.58 | Wobin | You're not going to dress up as an EVIL WARLOCK and go "Oh hey, I'm Joe." |
| 15:45.06 | Seerah | Wobin: okay, sure. But to what extent? |
| 15:45.18 | Wobin | Pander to the audience, I guess =) |
| 15:45.18 | Seerah | is it roleplaying when you do it to win a contest? |
| 15:45.31 | Seerah | or show of your level of fanboiness |
| 15:46.05 | Nafe | http://www.ignworld.com/CosplayShow/92.html |
| 15:46.11 | nevcairiel | Its role-playing depending how you behave wearing the custome, not for what intent, imho |
| 15:46.21 | nevcairiel | If you just wear it but dont play it .. no role-playing |
| 15:46.31 | Seerah | imo, when I think of costumed role playing, I think of LARPing |
| 15:46.35 | Wobin | Nafe: That's... kinda creepy |
| 15:47.00 | mikma | inserts more photoshop |
| 15:47.07 | Wobin | MOAR LENS FLARE |
| 15:47.30 | mikma | MOAR SMOOTH SKIN |
| 15:47.50 | mikma | everything has been airbrushed |
| 15:48.09 | Seerah | where are her ribs? |
| 15:48.24 | Lopeppeppy | OMG, you mean she's not rail-skinny? Awesome!! |
| 15:48.48 | Lopeppeppy | No. She is photoshopped, I see now. Oh well, so much for body types being realistic. |
| 15:48.57 | Seerah | she's plastic |
| 15:49.13 | Ackis | it's fantastic! |
| 15:49.14 | Nafe | Wobin: she totally doesn't seem to play the part of a night elf. Looks so confused. |
| 15:49.18 | mikma | sexdoll+ |
| 15:49.22 | Ackis | she's a barbie girl! in a barbie world! |
| 15:50.32 | Wobin | She's also going to hurt herself something terrible using a bow like that |
| 15:51.04 | Nafe | change of topic a little, but too many funny ones here: http://www.ignworld.com/CosplayShow/90.html |
| 15:51.34 | Ackis | hey jnwhiteh do you cosplay ever? |
| 15:51.38 | Wobin | I <3 "Blind" |
| 15:51.44 | mikma | cogwheel: http://www.ignworld.com/CosplayShow/109.html <- your car has made the pages |
| 15:52.07 | Wobin | oh man, they strung up a puppy? |
| 15:52.08 | jnwhiteh | i don't understand what you're saying Ackis |
| 15:52.18 | Ackis | lol |
| 15:53.19 | Seerah | the poor puppy! |
| 15:54.56 | Seerah | frost nova picture: that looks like Lake Michigan |
| 15:56.05 | Wobin | I think cog's number plate is one of the best |
| 15:56.17 | nevcairiel | which is that? |
| 15:56.39 | cogwheel | 4 GNMRGN |
| 15:56.52 | nevcairiel | heh |
| 15:56.54 | Wobin | http://www.ignworld.com/CosplayShow/100.html is kinda awesome for the amount of work put in |
| 15:57.01 | Seerah | why are all of those pictures watermarked with ignworld.com when they obviously are not the copyright holders? Even placing it over the original copyright mark?.... /sigh |
| 15:57.19 | nicoli_s | thats ign for ya |
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| 15:57.37 | Lunessa | station |
| 15:57.39 | cogwheel | ~hug Lunessa |
| 15:57.39 | purl | ACTION hugs Lunessa |
| 15:57.51 | Lunessa | Morning cog! |
| 15:57.57 | cogwheel | Buzzed aldrin: 16 oz vodka + 2 tbsp Tang |
| 15:58.41 | Lopeppeppy | *laugh* |
| 15:58.44 | Lopeppeppy | Seerah, I hear you. |
| 15:59.44 | Nafe | I laughed at the book. http://www.ignworld.com/CosplayShow/59.html |
| 16:00.06 | Wobin | The china cosplay festival looked pretty hardcore |
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| 16:00.49 | Nafe | and the quest givers: http://www.ignworld.com/CosplayShow/51.html |
| 16:01.02 | mikma | needs more hogger |
| 16:01.25 | Wobin | aiee http://www.ignworld.com/CosplayShow/61.html |
| 16:01.50 | nevcairiel | that looks so plastic |
| 16:02.07 | mikma | http://www.ignworld.com/UploadFiles/image/mark_Global%20server%20monitor.jpg |
| 16:02.58 | mikma | http://www.ignworld.com/UploadFiles/image/mark_Blizzard%27s%20humor%20,The%20clock%20on%20the%20right%20is%20a%20WoW%20maintenance%20clock.jpg |
| 16:03.09 | cogwheel | Wobin: the thing i like best about my license plate is that at first glance it follows the normal pattern for california plates: #aaa###. The space after the 4 and no other numbers are the only clue it's even custom, and then you have to lurv or h8 gnomes to get it... |
| 16:03.11 | mikma | that's awesome one |
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| 16:04.05 | Nafe | cogwheel: perhaps I missed it, what is your lpno.? |
| 16:04.11 | cogwheel | 4 GNMRGN |
| 16:04.18 | tem|work | oh wow! |
| 16:04.29 | tem|work | did you guys see the northrend flight at 68 thing? |
| 16:04.31 | theorbtwo | Cute! |
| 16:04.42 | jnwhiteh | yeah |
| 16:04.43 | tem|work | that's going to be hax for leveling my alts |
| 16:04.44 | jnwhiteh | its nice tw |
| 16:04.45 | jnwhiteh | tem |
| 16:05.10 | tem|work | hey clad, is your druid 80 yet? |
| 16:05.16 | jnwhiteh | yes |
| 16:05.40 | tem|work | what are you doing with him now? |
| 16:05.52 | cogwheel | Nafe: http://www.wow.com/2009/02/03/more-wow-license-plates-from-our-readers/ |
| 16:06.01 | tem|work | trying to do any raiding or pvp or anything? |
| 16:06.15 | jnwhiteh | pvp |
| 16:06.19 | Wobin | hehe http://www.ignworld.com/CosplayShow/28.html |
| 16:06.22 | Wobin | ARTHAS |
| 16:06.40 | jnwhiteh | kitted out with the best non-arena pvp gear out there |
| 16:07.38 | tem|work | tree or omfgburst |
| 16:07.42 | tem|work | (I mean feral) |
| 16:07.48 | jnwhiteh | resto |
| 16:07.55 | jnwhiteh | and boomkin |
| 16:08.32 | mikma | "blizzard aoe" http://www.ignworld.com/UploadFiles/image/mark_Blizzard%20AOE.jpg |
| 16:08.46 | mikma | http://www.ignworld.com/CosplayShow/90.html |
| 16:08.53 | mikma | "Cold snap" is cool too |
| 16:09.27 | mikma | so is "Gouge" |
| 16:10.09 | mikma | and "multi-shot" |
| 16:11.15 | Gnarfoz | I wish they'd have this publicly accesible, and in real time: http://www.ignworld.com/UploadFiles/image/mark_Global%20server%20monitor.jpg |
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| 16:12.54 | Wobin | http://www.ignworld.com/CosplayShow/116.html <-- I'm impressed |
| 16:13.35 | Gnarfoz | also, I wish Germany'd allow custom plates like that |
| 16:15.27 | mikma | http://www.ignworld.com/UploadFiles/image/mark_Yeah,%20they%20never%20read%20PTR%20chats___%20.jpg HAHA |
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| 16:17.49 | mikma | http://www.ignworld.com/UploadFiles/image/mark_Conversation%20I%20had%20with%20a%20gold%20seller_%20I%20think%20I%20confused%20him_.jpg |
| 16:17.54 | mikma | oh damn, that's a good one |
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| 16:19.34 | Wobin | mikma: clearly didn't follow the flowchart script =P |
| 16:19.56 | Wobin | the seller is going "None of these words match the chart here..." |
| 16:19.57 | airtonix | 'i;m a gold sailer' lawl |
| 16:20.05 | mikma | wobin: you buy? |
| 16:20.17 | mikma | jnwhiteh: http://www.ignworld.com/UploadFiles/image/mark_I%20was%20questing%20on%20my%20hunter%20alt%20and%20one%20of%20the%20other%20officers%20were%20bored_%20Poor%20guy%20was%20an%20app%20too_.jpg |
| 16:20.24 | mikma | horrible urls |
| 16:21.05 | durcyn | is that a file name or a blog entry |
| 16:21.07 | durcyn | ffs |
| 16:21.43 | airtonix | it's someone failing at internets |
| 16:21.50 | mikma | ^-- |
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| 16:22.00 | airtonix | hi-gaiz-ima-post-my-entire-blog-contents-in-the-url |
| 16:22.11 | mikma | http://www.ignworld.com/UploadFiles/image/mark_the%20one%20and%20only%20GM-man.jpg |
| 16:24.10 | mikma | http://tinyurl.com/n2fuk7 |
| 16:24.11 | jnwhiteh | mikma: i know :P |
| 16:25.27 | mikma | http://tinyurl.com/l6ofhe |
| 16:28.13 | Taroven1 | mikma: XD |
| 16:29.56 | Wobin | wow, this is a awesome HDR http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisjongkind/1675070833/sizes/o/ |
| 16:30.30 | Taroven1 | Wow. |
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| 16:31.10 | Shishire | How do I reliable delay execution of the main addon code until the saved variables are loaded? |
| 16:31.43 | jnwhiteh | register for ADDON_LOADED |
| 16:31.52 | jnwhiteh | check the first argument to make sure its your addon's name |
| 16:31.55 | jnwhiteh | and do the tinitializtion there. |
| 16:32.01 | Wobin | he has some other pretty decent shots in that album |
| 16:32.11 | Shishire | when ADDON_LOADED runs for my addon, everything is good to go? |
| 16:32.24 | Taroven1 | Should be, Shinshire. |
| 16:32.26 | Shishire | cool |
| 16:32.29 | Shishire | tyvm |
| 16:33.09 | Taroven1 | I like to go with PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD or PLAYER_ALIVE myself, but that's usually because most of my addons need talent info on init. =P |
| 16:33.49 | Shishire | yeah, I'm just registering FrameXML mods and slash commands |
| 16:34.04 | Taroven1 | ADDON_LOADED should be just fine then. |
| 16:34.09 | Shishire | :D |
| 16:34.17 | mikma | http://www.ignworld.com/UploadFiles/image/mark_The%20love%20of%20your%20family%20-%20can%27t%20you%20feel%20it.jpg |
| 16:35.30 | mikma | "This beggar wanted 100G, so I put 100G in the trade window and walked away for a while." |
| 16:35.33 | mikma | http://www.ignworld.com/UploadFiles/image/mark_This%20beggar%20wanted%20100G,%20so%20I%20put%20100G%20in%20the%20trade%20window%20and%20walked%20away%20for%20a%20while_.jpg |
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| 16:36.07 | airtonix | this is atimelapse phot yeah? http://www.flickr.com/photos/chrisjongkind/3572183749/sizes/o/ |
| 16:36.10 | airtonix | photo* |
| 16:36.38 | Wobin | airtonix: looks like it |
| 16:36.57 | TopTop18 | Jnwhiteh, I've been thinking about a shared database and I think I have someway to do it relatively easy(although it probably won't work xD). My idea was to create version numbers for the current database. This number is the date/time up till seconds at which a change occured, like add dkp to a person. The addon sends this new info to the other officers and the GM, the version number of the database will |
| 16:37.13 | jnwhiteh | how do you get the date/time? |
| 16:37.33 | jnwhiteh | and what happens when an officer is offline but has the most recent information and does not log back in |
| 16:38.05 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.06 | TopTop18 | stay the same as nothing have changed inside the database. "normal"members hook onto the data from officers,. but not nfrom each other as that'll probably fail |
| 16:38.22 | jnwhiteh | it's not an easy problem |
| 16:38.31 | TopTop18 | Date from calendar time from clock? |
| 16:38.34 | jnwhiteh | There's plenty of issues with what you've proposing.. hence why people haven't really done it. |
| 16:38.43 | Wobin | what happens if an updated officer doesn't log in, but then a change is made to the database, then the previously updated officer logs in |
| 16:38.51 | TopTop18 | I know it won;t be easy, but that's why I'm gonna do it :D |
| 16:38.58 | Wobin | Well, good luck! =) |
| 16:39.18 | TopTop18 | Hmm that's a problem ye |
| 16:39.23 | airtonix | you could model it on git ? |
| 16:39.31 | Wobin | we've pretty much hashed out that it's not exactly feasible, but if you can manage it, more power to you |
| 16:39.49 | airtonix | treat it like a version control server? |
| 16:39.54 | Wobin | airtonix: git still needs a central location |
| 16:39.59 | airtonix | true |
| 16:40.06 | Wobin | which WoW cannot provide |
| 16:40.17 | Wobin | except in the guild notes >< |
| 16:40.26 | TopTop18 | Hmm maybe allow officers/ other members to hook onto data from other members, but not more then X steps from when it was initiated? |
| 16:40.31 | airtonix | yeah guild information isn't big enough |
| 16:40.50 | Wobin | TopTop18: can you ensure there will -always- be someone on with the 'latest' version? |
| 16:41.18 | TopTop18 | Guild info could be extended, like macro menu can be extended? |
| 16:41.22 | airtonix | waht you could do though is store a version number in the guild note of the person when they update their db |
| 16:41.42 | airtonix | that way you know what the highest version is without them being online |
| 16:42.41 | TopTop18 | Hmm, but what if person doesn;t log back on for say a week? |
| 16:42.54 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: git does not need a central location |
| 16:42.59 | TopTop18 | Then the system is stuck, cause you can;t update to the latest version |
| 16:43.22 | Arrowmaster | if i had a reason to actually do it, i have an idea of how to do a good git like system in wow |
| 16:43.35 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: How about "for the lulz" |
| 16:43.36 | TopTop18 | What I could do though is to let people only make changes if atleast 10 people are online who can receive the data |
| 16:43.51 | jnwhiteh | distributed databases don't work well when people can not log in |
| 16:43.54 | jnwhiteh | this is precisely why an EPGP system |
| 16:43.57 | jnwhiteh | is superior |
| 16:44.04 | Arrowmaster | EPGP? |
| 16:44.05 | jnwhiteh | distributed doesn't work, when you need people logged in |
| 16:44.06 | jnwhiteh | yesm, |
| 16:44.10 | jnwhiteh | a DKP system that uses guild info |
| 16:44.12 | jnwhiteh | and works quire well |
| 16:44.22 | Wobin | effort points guild points |
| 16:44.27 | Wobin | I think |
| 16:44.35 | jnwhiteh | yep |
| 16:44.39 | TopTop18 | Hopw does that work? |
| 16:44.40 | Pneumatus | epgp is ok if you dont use your officer notes for other important infos :< |
| 16:44.41 | Lunessa | Effort Points/Gear Points |
| 16:44.46 | Wobin | ah gear =) |
| 16:45.32 | Pneumatus | are there mods for eqdkp/bbdkp to show EPGP out of game? |
| 16:45.38 | Pneumatus | and store loot history etc |
| 16:45.40 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, I think it's perfectly doable if you're willing to put up with a little slow out-of-order updating once in a while |
| 16:46.01 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut: hehe, like -that's- ever going to happen |
| 16:46.16 | Wobin | this is the World of InstantGratificationIsNotFastEnoughCraft |
| 16:46.37 | ZorbaTHut | well, anyone who cares about proper updating can just run their own client, and bam, they'll never have slow updating :D |
| 16:47.50 | TopTop18 | Hmm I think if I put a minimum members that can receive data limit thingy it'll work pretty well as the data will spread directly to say 8 people minimum, the datawill spread from 8 people to whole guild pretty fast and it won;t matter if one or two don;t log back on |
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| 16:48.26 | TopTop18 | And store latest number in guild info' |
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| 16:49.20 | Wobin | I suspect one of your biggest issues, Toptop, will be testing this =) |
| 16:49.37 | Lunessa | Have fun - distributed databases are a bear to do in the WoW Environment. |
| 16:50.03 | TopTop18 | What do you think? |
| 16:51.41 | Wobin | actually, what you'd want to do, is have an addon that monitors who is online, and have your entire guild run it for a full day. |
| 16:51.46 | TopTop18 | And EPGP won;t work, cause it'll still require way to much updating, I'm making this addon to minimize maintanance |
| 16:51.52 | Lunessa | Go look at Group Calendar - by far and away the most commonly used distributed data AddOn - and that has thousands of hours spent solving the various distribution problems. |
| 16:51.57 | Wobin | Then from that info you could extrapolate what the 'average' grouping online is |
| 16:52.08 | Arrowmaster | and GC still sucks |
| 16:52.27 | Wobin | and what your chances are of getting your project working. |
| 16:52.40 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: Yeah. No getting arround the fact that P2P datasharing is inferior for realtime data. |
| 16:52.50 | TopTop18 | grouping online ranges from 8-35 |
| 16:53.02 | Wobin | If you can figure out, from your guild's habits if there is a consistant population that can support your idea, then you're halfway there |
| 16:53.07 | ZorbaTHut | it'd be real nice if WoW had an HTTP API. |
| 16:53.24 | Arrowmaster | it does |
| 16:53.27 | Arrowmaster | you just cant use it |
| 16:53.36 | ZorbaTHut | alright, it'd be nice if it had a usable http api :P |
| 16:53.51 | TopTop18 | Wobin, 3xx people guild big enough? |
| 16:54.16 | Wobin | TopTop18: it still depends on the global distribution of the guild |
| 16:54.28 | Wobin | my guild has that many, but a large percentage of them are australian |
| 16:54.45 | TopTop18 | Only european :D |
| 16:55.02 | Wobin | so there are still periods of either minimal login, or bits where noone does |
| 16:55.23 | Lunessa | damnit. forgot my damned data cable |
| 16:55.25 | TopTop18 | There is, but no raids going on, where data get's changed |
| 16:55.48 | Wobin | it's not the data changing that you're worried about, it's the distribution |
| 16:56.10 | TopTop18 | The problem was to get the data changes to the persons who can change data, so no faulty databases exist |
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| 16:56.25 | Wobin | if an officer who needs the data doesn't log in when there's someone who can transmit the prevoius change to him, then -he- makes a change... |
| 16:56.27 | ZorbaTHut | I think trying to avoid faulty databases is a mistake |
| 16:56.36 | ZorbaTHut | you will have faulty databases. It's guaranteed. |
| 16:56.44 | TopTop18 | "normal"members not having the most recent data isn;t a problem cause they can;t cause the whole system go bad |
| 16:56.51 | ZorbaTHut | I think the goal should be to make it so that faulty databases are not catastrophic and are recoverable. |
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| 16:57.40 | Wobin | There has to be some way to synch old data and new data nondestructively |
| 16:57.47 | mikma | http://www.ignworld.com/UploadFiles/image/mark_GM%27s,%20causing%20more%20trouble%20then%20fixing%20it%20%20Khir.jpg |
| 16:57.51 | ZorbaTHut | if you know something about the data, absolutely |
| 16:57.53 | mikma | HAH! that's one awesome gm |
| 16:57.55 | ZorbaTHut | if you don't, absolutely not |
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| 16:58.01 | TopTop18 | That'll be the goal after minimizing the chance on faulty databases :D |
| 16:58.47 | ZorbaTHut | in the case of a simple DKP system, you can just add up all the adjustments |
| 16:59.06 | ZorbaTHut | you know the guy's at 170 DKP and there's a new event that happend two days ago that you missed which is -100 DKP? alright now he's at 70 DKP, baaaam |
| 16:59.12 | Arrowmaster | you need to store them as adjustments though and not as 'this is the new value' |
| 16:59.21 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, adjustments would be pretty much vital for that. |
| 16:59.27 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut: except you've already just taken 80 dkp from him |
| 16:59.32 | Wobin | so now he's -10... |
| 16:59.33 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, so now he's at -10 DKP |
| 16:59.36 | ZorbaTHut | what's the problem? |
| 16:59.36 | TopTop18 | Maybe stick a path sequence the last 10 updates or so |
| 16:59.38 | Wobin | now what? |
| 16:59.47 | Wobin | if you're in a system that doesn't allow negative dkp? |
| 16:59.49 | ZorbaTHut | well, now he's at -10 DKP and can't bid on anything until he has positive DKP |
| 17:00.03 | ZorbaTHut | then your system is going to break horribly and unavoidably :P |
| 17:00.05 | Wobin | he technically shouldn't have been able to bid that 80 dkp |
| 17:00.50 | ZorbaTHut | a general-purpose laggy distributed opaque database is impossible. you just flat-out cannot do it. |
| 17:01.20 | ZorbaTHut | however, there are many ways to make a *useful* database, if you're willing to get rid of the opacity and design your algorithm around what is, in reality, possible. |
| 17:01.27 | TopTop18 | I'll ask if we'd allow negative dkp xD |
| 17:01.40 | ZorbaTHut | I was at -250 DKP after my first raid with my current guild :D |
| 17:01.47 | TopTop18 | lol |
| 17:01.49 | ZorbaTHut | took me half a month to work that off |
| 17:02.00 | TopTop18 | We thrown away dkp cause of the maintenance xD |
| 17:02.13 | Lopeppeppy | We very quickly made it so that new people couldn't go lower than -100dkp... it was just too unfair to everyone. |
| 17:02.16 | TopTop18 | Reason for this addon |
| 17:02.21 | Lopeppeppy | Negative DKP is a very bad thing, IMO. |
| 17:02.38 | Arrowmaster | depends on the system |
| 17:02.40 | ZorbaTHut | lope, in the sense that you still give them gear, but it's free, or in the sense that you disenchant stuff that they could use? |
| 17:03.16 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: i'd seriously hope the former |
| 17:03.19 | Lopeppeppy | Zorba, we never DE'd stuff that could be used, but we did redesign the system once we found out how people played it because negative numbers didn't matter anymore... |
| 17:03.23 | TopTop18 | Think I'lkl first need a clear view on what our dkp rules will be before i go design a database, as the info will be vital fro the design |
| 17:03.27 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, same, but I know more than a few guilds who choose the latter |
| 17:03.28 | Lopeppeppy | Suicide Kings FTW. |
| 17:03.34 | Wobin | probably a good idea =) |
| 17:03.38 | ZorbaTHut | "oops not enough DKP, time to DE the Betrayer of Humanity despite the fact that six people want it" |
| 17:03.44 | Pneumatus | negative DKP on zerosum is inevitable |
| 17:03.50 | NightHawkTheSane | sadly, my guild forces everyone to pay for any piece they pick up. i've seen a lot of offspec stuff i wanted get de'd because of that :( |
| 17:03.53 | ZorbaTHut | lope, that's reasonable |
| 17:03.55 | Pneumatus | if you dont have negative dkp you're doing it wrong |
| 17:04.13 | TopTop18 | Well gtg raiding, see you! :D |
| 17:04.24 | NightHawkTheSane | (granted, the minim amount to pay is small, but i'm not spending any points on something that i never use in a raid) |
| 17:04.27 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, we force people to pay for onspec stuff, offspec is free. if it's a sidegrade for your main spec you can roll with the offspec crew. |
| 17:04.31 | Arrowmaster | Pneumatus: i did it wrong then, every zero sum dkp system i have been in has ended with me having the most earned dkp and the highest current dkp |
| 17:04.58 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: i refuse to pay any kind of points for something that i will -not- use in a raid setting. it subverts the entire point of any point system :P |
| 17:05.13 | ZorbaTHut | there have been a few times where someone said "well that's an upgrade but I don't want to pay for it" and it goes to the offspec crew. or when someone rolls on something for "offspec" which is a clear upgrade for main spec, and we force-deduct DKP for that :P |
| 17:05.17 | Pneumatus | Arrowmaster: not any specific individual, but the sum of the members in negative dkp should equal the sum of the members in positive dkp |
| 17:05.19 | NightHawkTheSane | because the only effect on the raid as a whole is to set me back in acquiring new gear |
| 17:05.28 | ZorbaTHut | night, yeah, agreed |
| 17:05.45 | theorbtwo | Possibly the thing to do is require people to have a mentor for a while, and if you've got <0 DKP, your mentor might buy it for you. |
| 17:05.55 | ZorbaTHut | really, I don't have an issue with people hoarding DKP |
| 17:06.03 | NightHawkTheSane | one of my old guilds did something -really- awesome. offspec/sidegrade gear, instead of spending points, everyone /randomed, and the winner paid 100g to the guild bank for it |
| 17:06.07 | Pneumatus | zero-sum is just annoying that you can have a raid night full of loot, and then 3 wipe nights when you earn nothing |
| 17:06.09 | ZorbaTHut | there's three tanks in my guild who are hoarding huge amounts of DKP for Sorthalis once we can get it |
| 17:06.24 | Pneumatus | meaning anyone that misses the lootwhore night suffers |
| 17:06.27 | ZorbaTHut | end result: I can pick up pretty much every tanking item for cheap, because none of them want to cut into their huge DKP cache :D |
| 17:06.29 | sylvanaar | yeah /random and put a shard in the guild bank |
| 17:06.41 | NightHawkTheSane | Pneumatus: lots of loot systems have that problem, th ough |
| 17:07.04 | sylvanaar | just add decay |
| 17:07.19 | Arrowmaster | zero sum does suffer from the 'nobody shows up on progression nights' problem, ive seen it happen in every guild ive been in |
| 17:07.20 | sylvanaar | by itself it discourages hording |
| 17:07.28 | Pneumatus | decay doesnt help if a member can never attend a lootwhore night |
| 17:07.38 | Lopeppeppy | zero sum is what got us into the huge DKP holes, it was scary. |
| 17:07.40 | AnduinLothar | we have a bid system where you earn dkp for boss kills, hours spent in raid/standby, and guild bank donations |
| 17:07.44 | Pneumatus | like, if a member can't attend wednesdays ever and thats the 'clear all the shit bosses' night |
| 17:08.00 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, we give out DKP bonuses for wiping on progression |
| 17:08.06 | sylvanaar | no point system will fix that |
| 17:08.22 | Pneumatus | sylvanaar: epgp makes it fairer though |
| 17:08.57 | sylvanaar | epgp with time based EP |
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| 17:09.03 | Pneumatus | yeh |
| 17:09.04 | theorbtwo | Can't you encourage trading DKP and items within the guild for that? I suppose that doesn't help when everything interesting is soulbound already... |
| 17:09.56 | mikma | http://www.ignworld.com/UploadFiles/image/mark_1245769009.jpg |
| 17:09.56 | sylvanaar | but epgp uses decay also - in fact its an integral part of the system |
| 17:09.56 | Pneumatus | EP/GP with time-based EP means even if you turn up on wipe nights (which for us are 3 out of 4 nights a week) you can still compete if you miss lootnights |
| 17:10.37 | Pneumatus | lack of self-hosted out of game options for epgp is annoying though |
| 17:10.43 | sylvanaar | yeah |
| 17:11.01 | sylvanaar | i know - i had just set up epgp for my guild before it dissolved |
| 17:12.26 | Pneumatus | not being able to fully track raids out of game is probably the only thing that i dislike about epgp |
| 17:12.37 | Pneumatus | (without using epgpweb) |
| 17:14.00 | sylvanaar | i know - i had to use epgpweb as a stopgap for point tracking and track look separately |
| 17:14.00 | sylvanaar | *loot |
| 17:14.29 | Lopeppeppy | No point system will ever be perfect. It's important to build in resets -- each expansion, keep each dungeon or tier separate, something... that will prevent inflation neatly. |
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| 17:15.08 | sylvanaar | one nice feature of epgp is that as long as you give out the same amount of ep each week, ep will eventually cap out |
| 17:15.36 | Pneumatus | although, it looks like theres an EPGP mod for eqdkp+ |
| 17:15.42 | sylvanaar | it doesnt work |
| 17:15.49 | Pneumatus | no decay? |
| 17:16.01 | ZorbaTHut | we just fight inflation with inflation |
| 17:16.08 | sylvanaar | you have to wait for eqdkp 0.7 |
| 17:16.09 | ZorbaTHut | every new dungeon we double DKP bonuses |
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| 17:16.17 | ZorbaTHut | eventually we'll probably chop a digit off everyone's stored DKP or something :D |
| 17:16.30 | Wobin | It's over 9000! |
| 17:16.30 | Pneumatus | we reset dkp every tier |
| 17:16.47 | Pneumatus | we're looking at softcapping zero-sum for 3.2 though |
| 17:16.49 | ZorbaTHut | we don't reset it because we want our most reliable players to get geared up fast |
| 17:17.08 | ZorbaTHut | and it turns out that everyone just bids ridiculous numbers until they burn through their reserve anyway, because our guild is full of greedy lootwhores ;) |
| 17:17.16 | Lopeppeppy | :) |
| 17:17.21 | Pneumatus | at the start of new instances we give priority though :P |
| 17:17.24 | ZorbaTHut | (in the good way :) ) |
| 17:17.25 | sylvanaar | then they stop coming |
| 17:17.39 | Lopeppeppy | Exactly, sylvanaar. That's how Suicide Kings can help. |
| 17:17.56 | Pneumatus | suicide kings is too simple though :< |
| 17:18.03 | sylvanaar | yeah, SK is allright |
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| 17:18.18 | Pneumatus | SK lets you skip wipe nights without any punishment |
| 17:18.25 | Lunessa | Will whore for loot. iLevel 226+, no bareback. |
| 17:18.32 | sylvanaar | epgp does about the same thing, but gives a bit more control |
| 17:19.39 | Pneumatus | hmm, i wonder... maybe zero-sum with a dummy char to accumulate an allocation pool, which is then distributed as bonus dkp for time |
| 17:19.57 | Lopeppeppy | To get a perfect system, you have to combine elements of them all, which is bugger-hard to track and calculate. |
| 17:20.18 | Pneumatus | although, softcap stops inflation, so zero-sum softcapped with time bonuses |
| 17:20.26 | ZorbaTHut | one of the most fantastic schadenfreude moments I had a few months ago was when the most progressed guild on my faction, which was full of jerks, imploded, and a lot of its members ended up offering to pay large amounts of money for raid gear. nobody wanted them in a guild, and that was the only way they could get epics |
| 17:20.34 | ZorbaTHut | (and as far as I know nobody took them up on it either) |
| 17:20.48 | sylvanaar | you stop inflation with decay |
| 17:21.57 | Lopeppeppy | Decay has some value to keeping a system balanced. |
| 17:21.59 | Pneumatus | well, decay or caps |
| 17:22.06 | sylvanaar | or multiple pools |
| 17:22.25 | Pneumatus | softcaps are just decays to dkp earned, rather than old dkp being removed |
| 17:22.35 | NightHawkTheSane | <-- just got a mechano-hog made. woo |
| 17:22.50 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: DO WANT |
| 17:23.08 | Lopeppeppy | Oiy. |
| 17:23.37 | Pneumatus | well, multiple pools when 1 pool is for gear and 1 pool is for time spent == EPGP anyway :) |
| 17:24.23 | sylvanaar | 1 pool is for tier items, or bis gear, 1 is for other stuff |
| 17:24.39 | NightHawkTheSane | also up to 72 mounts with that, now. |
| 17:25.44 | sylvanaar | that way sidegrades dont prevent you from getting stuff you really want |
| 17:25.47 | mikma | http://www.ignworld.com/UploadFiles/image/mark_(Reguarding%20Monsterbelly%20fishing%20daily).jpg |
| 17:26.23 | ZorbaTHut | I'm at like 78 mounts |
| 17:26.56 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: /cry :( although, i haven't purchased most of the argent mounts yet, just the hippogryph |
| 17:27.09 | NightHawkTheSane | and i've got.. zero.. rare mount drops.. |
| 17:27.42 | Cruciformer | 'lo all |
| 17:28.06 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: I only have 62-ish and my only "odd" mount is the R.A.F. program Zherva. |
| 17:28.53 | Cruciformer | Q: If I do a /reloadui, it will save all my current mod variables and thereby insulte me from losing data if I happen to get a critical error right? |
| 17:29.15 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: depends? |
| 17:29.25 | jnwhiteh | if the critical error occurs during the saving process you could have issues, obviously |
| 17:29.25 | Cruciformer | jnwhiteh: On? |
| 17:29.30 | jnwhiteh | depends on what you mean by "critical" error. |
| 17:29.31 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: the large portion of my mounts are all the ones you get for being exalted with most factions. so all the nether rays, all the nether drakes, (almost) all the talbuks, all faction mounts.. |
| 17:29.51 | Cruciformer | the one where youget the "Send this error report to blizard" ... teh windows equiv of a "core dump" |
| 17:30.12 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: nothing can guarantee that |
| 17:30.23 | Pneumatus | hmm, i might have come up with a solution.... |
| 17:30.26 | Lopeppeppy | That's the Evil of All Evils. |
| 17:30.29 | jnwhiteh | but its not very likely you would lose somethign before that point |
| 17:30.42 | NightHawkTheSane | and i've got most of the cheaper "expensive" mounts, the cenarion hippogryph, blue wind rider, the cheap hodir mammoth, red drake, etc |
| 17:30.51 | Cruciformer | jnwhiteh: But lets assume the reloadui succeeded without error. My saved variables are then safe from a future critical error (or at least safeER than if I hadnt done a reloadui)? |
| 17:31.03 | Lunessa | Night same here. |
| 17:31.06 | jnwhiteh | yes? |
| 17:31.18 | jnwhiteh | the files are only ever overwritten |
| 17:31.20 | jnwhiteh | not removed |
| 17:31.28 | jnwhiteh | so yes, the files exist and should be happy |
| 17:32.00 | Cruciformer | k cool thanks. |
| 17:32.00 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, I've got zero argent mounts at this point, and the only rare mount is the white polar bear (which just dropped two days ago :D) |
| 17:32.44 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: i actually do have the white polar bear, i forgot about that. do you have the pvp mounts? |
| 17:33.51 | ZorbaTHut | I've got the stormpike battle charger from AV marks, but no other pvp mount |
| 17:34.48 | NightHawkTheSane | see, now im wondering what other 4 mounts you have that i don't.. |
| 17:35.07 | ZorbaTHut | if you had a fast way for me to do a mount dump, I'd put the list up somewhere |
| 17:35.13 | NightHawkTheSane | (i have the pvp wolf, but no other pvp mount) |
| 17:35.20 | NightHawkTheSane | meh, i'm not -that- curious. |
| 17:35.26 | ZorbaTHut | I've got both engineering mounts, that might be part of it |
| 17:35.35 | ZorbaTHut | oh, and I've got a pile of mammoths |
| 17:35.37 | Kraps | man all these old-world crafting quests are really complicated |
| 17:35.41 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, could be that |
| 17:35.50 | ZorbaTHut | both hodir mammoths, traveler's tundra mammoth, wintergrasp mammoth |
| 17:35.53 | NightHawkTheSane | i'm not an enginneer. |
| 17:36.09 | NightHawkTheSane | ah, okay, yeah, i don't have the traveler's, or the expensive hodir one |
| 17:36.18 | AnduinLothar | lol kraps: mithril chain? |
| 17:36.28 | NightHawkTheSane | (those two are next on my list, though :P) |
| 17:36.32 | ZorbaTHut | I *do* have all the five-badge tournament mounts, now that I'm thinking about it, just none of the expensive ones |
| 17:36.36 | Kraps | also http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=8574 |
| 17:36.41 | ZorbaTHut | (expensive in terms of badges :P) |
| 17:36.48 | NightHawkTheSane | hehe |
| 17:36.54 | NightHawkTheSane | huh, i dont have any of those. |
| 17:36.57 | ZorbaTHut | (expensive in terms of time, more accurately) |
| 17:37.03 | ZorbaTHut | 5 marks + 500g each |
| 17:37.06 | Kraps | i was looking at what abomination stitching is for |
| 17:37.21 | Kraps | get em on baron runs |
| 17:37.33 | NightHawkTheSane | old world crafted epic item |
| 17:37.47 | Wobin | eh, none of the new recipes are in any way complex |
| 17:37.56 | ZorbaTHut | abomination stitchings are for shen'dralar rep ;) |
| 17:38.05 | Wobin | the old ones you used to have to go far and wide to get mats =( |
| 17:38.11 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: eh? |
| 17:38.33 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, http://ptr.wowhead.com/?spell=68067 I disagree strongly |
| 17:38.42 | Kraps | Wobin: non are like this |
| 17:38.45 | Kraps | "ou get the Mark of Remulos from The Ultimate Deception, which you get from Logistics Task Briefing XI, which, like junado said, only comes from Followup Logistics Assignment (Alliance or Horde), which you only get from completing one of the Logistics Assignments" |
| 17:39.14 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut: ok, engineering aside =) |
| 17:39.15 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=7485 |
| 17:39.29 | Wobin | but stuff like leatherworking |
| 17:39.35 | ZorbaTHut | alright, that's true :) |
| 17:39.47 | Wobin | all the northrend recipes are just minimal mats |
| 17:39.59 | ZorbaTHut | expensive mats, but usually simple mats |
| 17:40.05 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: ah, right, i never used that libram, didn't know it needed abom stichings |
| 17:40.06 | Kraps | ZorbaTHut: damn i think ill do that |
| 17:40.11 | cogwheel | "Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it." |
| 17:40.20 | theorbtwo | cogwheel++ |
| 17:40.26 | Cide | feynman? |
| 17:40.28 | ZorbaTHut | kraps, if you get Zandalar Tribe to honored, you can then take the item you get and go turn it in for Zandalar rep |
| 17:40.30 | Lopeppeppy | Nice. |
| 17:40.33 | cogwheel | Cide++ |
| 17:40.36 | ZorbaTHut | so it's like free bonus rep |
| 17:40.43 | Wobin | hehe 20 scrapbots, 10 repair bots... |
| 17:40.45 | Cide | thought so |
| 17:40.48 | Cide | his books are excellent |
| 17:41.04 | Kraps | eh grinding :( |
| 17:41.22 | ZorbaTHut | wobin, one item should not require eight kinds of ore :( |
| 17:41.31 | Pneumatus | i wonder if you can ask him things |
| 17:41.49 | Wobin | ZorbaTHut: Well, you're an engineer, you're certifiably insane by definition =) |
| 17:41.56 | ZorbaTHut | that's a fair assessment. |
| 17:42.08 | ZorbaTHut | but the helicopters are so awesome :D |
| 17:42.17 | Wobin | so true |
| 17:42.32 | Kraps | never done dire maul |
| 17:42.43 | ZorbaTHut | kraps, you can buy the books off the AH |
| 17:42.44 | Wobin | I wonder how the graphic for the wormholes will work |
| 17:42.52 | Kraps | ah nice |
| 17:43.17 | Kraps | but i need the one for my specific class? |
| 17:43.25 | ZorbaTHut | here's what I'm hoping for the wormhole: you use the wormhole and it creates a portal. right-click on the portal and you're teleported somewhere randomly. don't like it? right-click the portal again and you'll go somewhere else |
| 17:43.36 | ZorbaTHut | kraps, no, the class tome is a one-time-only quest |
| 17:43.44 | Kraps | ah |
| 17:43.49 | Kraps | bbs |
| 17:43.52 | ZorbaTHut | you want the Libram of Protection quests (and possibly Focus also) |
| 17:44.05 | Ackis | rapidity too |
| 17:44.11 | Ackis | those are the easiest to get IMO |
| 17:44.39 | ZorbaTHut | the blood of heroes can be tough and slow to find |
| 17:44.58 | Ackis | when I did the grind over half of the librams I turned in were rapidity |
| 17:45.09 | ZorbaTHut | the nice thing about Libram of Protection is you automatically get mats for it while you're farming Rivendare's deathcharger ;) |
| 17:45.50 | Ackis | I was about 1k rep away from exalted with the goblins again, and I was revered w/ ravenholdt when I removed wow from my PC heh |
| 17:46.36 | Wobin | blood of heros requires a lot of running around the plaguelands |
| 17:47.19 | Ackis | I also did that grind before wrath came out so I couldn't solo the dungeons as easily |
| 17:47.50 | ZorbaTHut | I'll need to do Seeker/Loremaster before I go for Insane. and I'll need to level up my rogue a lot too. |
| 17:48.04 | ZorbaTHut | Insane is a long, long slog :P |
| 17:48.48 | Ackis | meh xinhuan and I had most of it done before achievements came out :P |
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| 17:49.32 | kneeki | Morning everyone |
| 17:49.35 | Wobin | Ackis: at least it's one acheivement that's retroactive =) |
| 17:49.56 | Cruciformer | hey kneeki. Do u play on US-Greymane by any chance, or did you? |
| 17:50.08 | kneeki | Cruciformer: Nope |
| 17:50.19 | Cruciformer | k we have a guildican called kneeki. |
| 17:50.22 | Cruciformer | *had |
| 17:50.28 | kneeki | guildican? |
| 17:50.37 | Cruciformer | meh its my word for guild member |
| 17:50.38 | kneeki | http://www.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=kneeki&searchType=all <- me |
| 17:50.41 | kneeki | both characters |
| 17:50.51 | kneeki | nobody else in the armory named kneeki but me |
| 17:51.16 | Cruciformer | he could have changed his name |
| 17:51.25 | kneeki | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.36 | Cruciformer | or it was spelled differently. Its been about a year since he was in Hyperion. |
| 17:52.50 | Cruciformer | 'lo Cairenn |
| 17:52.55 | Cairenn | hi hi |
| 17:56.19 | Lopeppeppy | Hi hi! |
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| 17:58.31 | tlund | i have been using agUF for a very long time and i am quite happy with them, but I would like to try something else, maby there is something better out there? what should i try first? :) |
| 17:59.13 | Lopeppeppy | Pitbull, Sage, oUF... there's tons out there. |
| 17:59.30 | tlund | yes, i know, hence my question. |
| 17:59.39 | Lopeppeppy | Sage is most similar to agUF, Pitbull takes work to set up, oUF takes even more work to set up. All are pretty. |
| 18:00.00 | foxlit | " "If a zombie bites a baby..." He'll want another baby. Because really, who can eat just one?" |
| 18:00.10 | tlund | what I _was_ hoping for was something that is better than agUF, but easier to set up ;) |
| 18:00.21 | tlund | i had to work quite a bit to get them looking like i want |
| 18:00.42 | tlund | my main beef is that if i want to change ONE thing for ALL frames, i have to do it in 10 places |
| 18:00.52 | tlund | there is no default settings somewhere, that they all inherit |
| 18:02.32 | Ackis | hahah Kung Fu Pets RAWR |
| 18:02.58 | kneeki | All browsers displaying HTML in the same way would make my life much better. *grumbles* |
| 18:03.05 | tlund | Ackis: now that ARL is working really nice and seems stable, how about that addoon for pets/mounts/tabards? :) |
| 18:03.33 | Ackis | tlund: waiting on Jim-Bim to fix something with it, but most of it is done |
| 18:04.18 | tlund | Ackis: if i get the latest one out of svn/git/whatever, it is actually working? |
| 18:04.25 | airtonix | tlund, pb4 makes that possible |
| 18:04.38 | Ackis | no it'll spam your chat window and it'll lock you up when you display the gui |
| 18:05.05 | airtonix | tlund, one template affects all frames if you want |
| 18:05.56 | airtonix | tlund, i think pb4 also has inheritance now too, so you can have one template for global settings across many frames and then create smaller templates to apply unique settings per frame |
| 18:06.07 | tlund | Ackis: heh, yeah, ok. ill wait then ;) |
| 18:06.19 | tlund | airtonix: cool, then i´ll try PB4 first |
| 18:07.26 | Ackis | Lopeppeppy: IMO kung fu pets > wow! lol |
| 18:08.46 | mikma | was the def cap 535 for heroics? |
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| 18:10.11 | Lopeppeppy | You say so, Ackis? |
| 18:10.22 | Ackis | it's cute |
| 18:10.28 | Ackis | I have a kung fu kitty right now |
| 18:10.57 | Lunessa | So, what's the first major install on the new iMac? WindowsXP Pro |
| 18:11.16 | durcyn | Lunessa: blasphemy |
| 18:11.32 | Lunessa | durcyn - need to for Exhange tools. |
| 18:11.41 | durcyn | Lunessa: VirtualBox |
| 18:11.53 | Lunessa | VWWare Fusion |
| 18:12.03 | Lunessa | Er, VMWare |
| 18:13.15 | Lopeppeppy | I am a monkey thing. |
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| 18:13.39 | Ackis | lol |
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| 18:13.56 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: wrong, your first install should be quicksilver. ;) |
| 18:14.07 | Lunessa | ... |
| 18:14.08 | Lunessa | ? |
| 18:14.52 | Lunessa | Checking out the wiki now. |
| 18:15.03 | NightHawkTheSane | http://blacktree.com/ |
| 18:15.28 | NightHawkTheSane | it's really an amazing app. there's nothing that comes close to the power it has. |
| 18:16.34 | Lopeppeppy | Does it make french toast? |
| 18:16.42 | NightHawkTheSane | (considering its best used entirely with the keyboard, you'll probably like it, actually) |
| 18:17.04 | Cide | that's a horrible web page |
| 18:17.10 | Cruciformer | Method number 7 for detecting if your company has too many marketroids: Descriptions such as "A unified, extensible interface for working with applications, contacts, music, and other data." |
| 18:17.12 | Cide | it says nothing about what blacktree actually is |
| 18:17.54 | ScytheBlade1 | http://defectiveyeti.com/?p=3720 |
| 18:19.04 | Cruciformer | thats an aweful ot of words that manages to say absolutely nothing. |
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| 18:19.44 | Lopeppeppy | Any site that lacking in immediate information = fail, IMO. |
| 18:19.47 | Shishire | Does this make sense: http://pastebin.com/dd882a1d |
| 18:19.55 | foxlit | wow.com's stories about "new dkp systems" never cease to amaze. |
| 18:20.16 | foxlit | Shishire: yes. |
| 18:20.23 | Cruciformer | Lopeppeppy: agree. |
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| 18:20.26 | Shishire | so the self reference works? |
| 18:20.30 | foxlit | Yes. |
| 18:20.33 | Shishire | good :D |
| 18:20.37 | durcyn | foxlit: you mean the convoluted ramblings of 14-year-old children who are abysmally bad at math? |
| 18:21.06 | durcyn | as opposed to wow.com's standard fare of mere convoluted ramblings of 14-year-old children who are bad at life |
| 18:21.07 | foxlit | It's considered an argument to the block of code you provide inside the OnLoad tag |
| 18:23.04 | foxlit | durcyn: It's the lack of basic analysis that gets me more. "Hey guys, I've just heard of this. Isn't it awesome?!" |
| 18:23.07 | Cruciformer | foxlit: where on wow.com is that dkp discussion? |
| 18:23.16 | Lunessa | NightHawkTheSane: It looks pretty cool. |
| 18:23.21 | foxlit | second story |
| 18:23.23 | foxlit | http://www.wow.com/2009/07/09/swaps-loot-system-offers-another-dkp-option/ |
| 18:24.02 | Lopeppeppy | SWAPS is zero-sum. |
| 18:24.15 | foxlit | zero-sum, bidding to be more exact. |
| 18:24.47 | Lopeppeppy | la la la, so precise. :) |
| 18:25.13 | foxlit | http://www.wow.com/tag/dragon-kill-points/ if you care about more comedy. |
| 18:25.13 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i'm a fan. :) |
| 18:25.56 | Kraps | ... is Bruno real? |
| 18:26.18 | Lopeppeppy | I love the picture for docking DKP |
| 18:27.44 | Shirik_ | C# has failed me |
| 18:28.02 | VonhintenHOME` | explain |
| 18:28.23 | nicoli_s | what happenned now shirik? |
| 18:28.37 | Shirik_ | I can't use a ref parameter in a lambda |
| 18:28.44 | Cruciformer | So far from what Ive seen EPGP seems to be the best thought out loot system. |
| 18:28.46 | Shirik_ | I had this brilliant solution to a problem |
| 18:28.56 | Shirik_ | make a delegate factory method with a ref parameter that I can update later |
| 18:29.00 | Shirik_ | no workie :( |
| 18:29.18 | VonhintenHOME` | hmm, can't say I've tried that, but I don't know why you wouldn't be able to |
| 18:29.57 | VonhintenHOME` | Can you refer to it like (ref a) => |
| 18:30.05 | Shirik_ | but that would be invalid |
| 18:30.12 | Shirik_ | the lambda I'm creating doesn't take the parameter |
| 18:30.14 | Shirik_ | it just needs to update it |
| 18:31.48 | Shirik_ | like http://pastey.net/117270 |
| 18:32.20 | VonhintenHOME` | ref foo = new Foo(); |
| 18:32.42 | Shishire | can I save a function reference into a Saved Variable? |
| 18:32.47 | Shirik_ | ok, that's not the problem VonhintenHOME` |
| 18:33.09 | Shirik_ | more specifically that's illegal :) |
| 18:33.31 | Lopeppeppy | Stubborn cache is stubborn, rawr |
| 18:34.03 | VonhintenHOME` | yeah, I'm guessing the approach is violating security |
| 18:34.57 | Nafe | Shishire: I don't believe so. I've tried doing that a few weeks ago and none of my SavedVariables actually saved |
| 18:35.30 | Shishire | hmmm.. that means I have to rethink my approach... |
| 18:35.36 | Cruciformer | Shishire: I dont see how that can possibly work. Functions will be at completely different "addresses" each time. |
| 18:35.37 | Nafe | what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 18:35.37 | Shirik_ | has nothing to do with security; CLR just simply can't do that |
| 18:35.44 | VonhintenHOME` | Shirik, try some static hackery? :) |
| 18:35.46 | Shishire | and it would be so efficent once it started up. |
| 18:36.02 | Shirik_ | good discussion here: http://www.programmersheaven.com/user/pheaven/blog/210-When-Linq-and-ref-Parameters-Meet/ |
| 18:36.14 | Cruciformer | Shishire: Why not just store the function name instead of some reference? You can always access the function by name. |
| 18:36.14 | Shishire | hmm, I'll run a test, but I'll take it that I can't |
| 18:36.37 | Shishire | Cruciformer, no, I meant store between sessions |
| 18:37.20 | Cruciformer | Shishire: I know what you meant. Why dont you store the fuction name instead of a "reference". Same effect, but will work. |
| 18:37.56 | VonhintenHOME` | Hmm, local variable, I was assuming it'd need to be static, but I guess that works |
| 18:38.00 | Shishire | Where does the function go once you quit the client? |
| 18:38.29 | Cruciformer | Shishire: Is it a function of your mod? |
| 18:38.37 | Shirik_ | I have an evil solution |
| 18:38.40 | Shirik_ | use pointers! |
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| 18:39.36 | Shishire | sort of. It doesn't load unless I include an extra file. I'm trying to make the storage/loading of a large number of functions efficient, because you can choose which ones you want to load |
| 18:39.41 | Nafe | Shishire: I'm not quite sure what you're trying to accomplish. Use a SavedVariable to point to a function a user has picked to use? |
| 18:39.53 | mikma | industrial: spotify:track:08e14ScwGvuIsSpkY425VZ |
| 18:40.26 | Industrial | im on the subway :p cant spotify here |
| 18:40.36 | Nafe | if you have the functions in a LoD addon, then you can save which LoD addons the user wants to load |
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| 18:41.35 | Shishire | ok, but there's no good way to store the actual function between sessions, unless I re-read it from source each time, right? |
| 18:41.47 | Cruciformer | Not correct. |
| 18:42.11 | Cide | This track is currently not available in Sweden |
| 18:42.20 | Cruciformer | The function you are interested in appears in some mod. If is loaded at some point in time (either initially or LoD). |
| 18:43.00 | Nafe | the function you're trying to store is just a reference like you said. You can't reference something that isn't loaded. You DO, however, have a few options to loading it |
| 18:43.17 | Shishire | ok, thanks |
| 18:43.30 | Cruciformer | you simply call the function by name. Lets say your saved variable was "myfunc". You simply call mymod[myfunc] (args) |
| 18:43.58 | Nafe | right, if the function is loaded, and you know what the name is, you can do it just like Cruciformer said |
| 18:44.28 | Shishire | Sorry, I'm more used to php, where I could pre-compile into bytecode, and LoD specific functions :P |
| 18:44.34 | Shishire | thanks a lot, that helps |
| 18:44.40 | Cruciformer | and if it isnt loaded you can: if not (mymod[myfunc]) then load_my_function (myfunc) end |
| 18:45.20 | Shirik_ | :( |
| 18:45.32 | nicoli_s | come on shirik you can do it! |
| 18:45.34 | Shirik_ | not allowed to make pointers to managed types either |
| 18:45.41 | Shirik_ | with good reason, of course |
| 18:45.56 | Arrowmaster | http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/07/09/1753230 |
| 18:46.01 | Arrowmaster | fuck yeah! |
| 18:46.49 | nicoli_s | i havent played a mechwarrior in forever |
| 18:47.04 | Arrowmaster | neither have i |
| 18:47.20 | Arrowmaster | ive got mw2 and 2 expansions for it, and whatever the first xbox one was |
| 18:47.45 | nicoli_s | i wish i had gotten to try that one xbox mech game with the huge mech interface |
| 18:47.48 | Arrowmaster | i think i played the 2nd xbox one but it was a friends copy |
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| 18:50.41 | Arrowmaster | steel battalion |
| 18:51.04 | Arrowmaster | with the huge controller that used all 4 controller ports |
| 18:51.40 | VonhintenHOME` | I've heard that game was awesome |
| 18:51.46 | VonhintenHOME` | I never played it |
| 18:52.34 | Arrowmaster | i heard the controller even had an eject button on it |
| 18:53.41 | nicoli_s | i think they came out with a sequel but without the controller |
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| 18:57.50 | NightHawkTheSane | http://blog.flickr.net/en/2009/07/09/a-robot-rise/ |
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| 18:59.19 | nicoli_s | that shot of it turned on is just fucking awesome' |
| 18:59.45 | NightHawkTheSane | http://ericasadun.com/iPhoneDocs300/_u_i_view_controller-_u_i_view_controller_class_dump_warning_8h-source.html |
| 18:59.51 | NightHawkTheSane | nicoli_s: the whole thing is just fucking awesome :) |
| 19:00.39 | nicoli_s | wtf is that nighthawk? |
| 19:01.57 | NightHawkTheSane | a private api in the iphone 3.0 sdk, take a close look at the methods |
| 19:02.51 | Ackis | lol |
| 19:03.05 | Cruciformer | that url is loading slower than evolution |
| 19:03.35 | mikma | spotify:track:4ij0E2FYQZNkZQ5fSTXNgj |
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| 19:07.00 | mikma | jnwhiteh: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuC6jeKjTdg#t=0m21s |
| 19:07.09 | nicoli_s | oh i did, they are pretty hilarious |
| 19:07.27 | nicoli_s | though i dunno how i didnt read the page title |
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| 19:20.59 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/47740/ |
| 19:21.00 | Adys | yay for tf2 |
| 19:22.13 | ScytheBlade1 | wtf @ gun |
| 19:22.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure the name fits, but enchanting making a gun? |
| 19:22.41 | PProvost | >> Disenchanting requires Enchanting (375) |
| 19:22.44 | Lopeppeppy | Where do you see that, ScytheBlade1? |
| 19:22.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh |
| 19:22.47 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm slow |
| 19:22.50 | Lopeppeppy | Oh. *poke* |
| 19:23.16 | alestane | ScytheBlade1: Finally cleared Zerg today. |
| 19:23.26 | ScytheBlade1 | alestane: grats. How'd you do 10? I'm curious |
| 19:23.36 | alestane | That last battle is definitely about units over tech for me. |
| 19:23.49 | alestane | STRONG early focus on hydralisks to repel carriers. |
| 19:24.27 | alestane | Built up a couple guardians to clear the camps that were on either side of me so I could mine unmolested. |
| 19:24.42 | ScytheBlade1 | hehe |
| 19:24.51 | ScytheBlade1 | I... well, it almost feels like cheating |
| 19:24.53 | alestane | Had over 10k minerals by the end, didn't have enough gas to spend minerals as fast a I wanted. |
| 19:25.03 | ScytheBlade1 | Right, I noticed that too |
| 19:25.07 | ScytheBlade1 | So I thought to myself |
| 19:25.12 | ScytheBlade1 | What's the one unit I can build without gas? |
| 19:25.14 | ScytheBlade1 | ... zergling! |
| 19:25.21 | alestane | I used quite a few zerglings by the end. |
| 19:25.31 | ScytheBlade1 | I ordered waves of 12 groups of zerglings just straight into the protoss base, did nothing else |
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| 19:25.59 | alestane | My last push to clear out the gateway in front of the temple involved 5 waves of zerglings, 8 hydras and 6 six mutalisks. |
| 19:26.26 | alestane | Mutalisks are good for clearing out crowds, Zerg don't have much other splash damage. |
| 19:26.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Yeah, I didn't get that fancy. I don't even think I teched to a hive |
| 19:26.34 | Nafe | alestane and ScytheBlade: SC2? |
| 19:26.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Close! |
| 19:26.39 | ScytheBlade1 | 1 |
| 19:26.52 | alestane | I did, but mostly for the improved zergling attack speed. |
| 19:26.55 | Nafe | orig or BW? |
| 19:27.01 | ScytheBlade1 | orig in this case |
| 19:27.07 | airtonix | any screenshtos around of sc2? |
| 19:27.11 | alestane | Original for now, broodwar eventually. |
| 19:27.34 | ScytheBlade1 | airtonix: piles - starcraft2.com |
| 19:28.02 | alestane | Also I used a few ultralisks in the final assualt, but I think they were kind of a waste, mutalisks would have been a better use of the resources. |
| 19:28.40 | ScytheBlade1 | I think my total gametime was under 30 minutes |
| 19:28.48 | ScytheBlade1 | Get basic defenses up, go nuts with zergling |
| 19:29.13 | alestane | Too many scouts and carriers to rely wholly on zerglings IMO. |
| 19:29.23 | Lopeppeppy | I nearly killed Shirik with zerglings. :) |
| 19:29.39 | ScytheBlade1 | If you want to wipe them out, sure |
| 19:29.40 | nicoli_s | anytime i did zerg, i always got those flying units that look like crabs and destroy buildings |
| 19:29.43 | alestane | Oh, they're fast and cheap and deadly. But they can't respond to air. |
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| 19:29.56 | ScytheBlade1 | But you don't need to do that, you just need to clear a path to the temple (and burn the temple) |
| 19:30.32 | alestane | Yes, but at least twice I got assaulted by a carrier and a wave of scouts, and spore towers aren't equal to responding to that. |
| 19:30.43 | ScytheBlade1 | I just sent them all on attack-move to a point right above the temple and called it good |
| 19:30.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Ah, true |
| 19:31.08 | alestane | My hydras wre for defense originally, then I started using them for the push. |
| 19:31.32 | alestane | But as they got wiped out, I mostly replaced them with zerglings, just produced a few hydras for versatility. |
| 19:32.17 | alestane | But that last push was mostly against immortals, and zerglings are much better for dealing with them, especially with the Adrenal Glands upgrade. |
| 19:32.33 | alestane | Do archons have splash on their melee attack? |
| 19:32.55 | Nafe | yes |
| 19:32.56 | alestane | The last temple defenders were pretty brutal to my mutalisks and zerglings. |
| 19:33.20 | alestane | I guess they're planning to add cleave damage to ultralisks in SC2. |
| 19:33.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
| 19:33.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Which will make them nuts |
| 19:33.52 | alestane | What zerg units have splash besides mutalisks? |
| 19:34.02 | alestane | And even that's not splash exactly |
| 19:34.24 | ScytheBlade1 | baneling |
| 19:34.32 | alestane | That's SC2 though. |
| 19:34.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh right |
| 19:34.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Not many |
| 19:34.45 | ScytheBlade1 | Lurker does, in the expansion |
| 19:34.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Plague is a very very potent 'splash' |
| 19:35.01 | alestane | And what exactly do defiler spells do? I haven't found much use for the zerg casters. |
| 19:35.11 | ScytheBlade1 | plague is a defiler spell |
| 19:35.18 | ScytheBlade1 | it takes any unit's HP down to 1 |
| 19:35.21 | ScytheBlade1 | or building |
| 19:35.22 | alestane | It makes a big orange cloud. |
| 19:35.35 | ScytheBlade1 | That is swarm, which prevents units from attacking inside it |
| 19:35.52 | ScytheBlade1 | drop a swarm on a group of goliaths, and they won't be firing through it |
| 19:35.56 | alestane | So defilers are control/combo casters. |
| 19:36.02 | ScytheBlade1 | yeah |
| 19:36.07 | Grum | alestane: on that self-rewriting assist macro -- do you happen to have any idea why occasionally i get 'leaks' into the channel i last talked? |
| 19:36.19 | Nafe | Dark Swarm |
| 19:36.21 | Grum | ea the last 1-3 chars of the macro would appear for no reason |
| 19:36.31 | ScytheBlade1 | consume munches on friendly zerg to restore their HP |
| 19:36.32 | Nafe | it prevents all ranged attacks from affecting those underneath it |
| 19:36.39 | ScytheBlade1 | that sounds better |
| 19:36.52 | Nafe | melee attacks work underneath the swarm |
| 19:37.01 | alestane | Grum: Sounds like you have a stray line break, or possibly some toon names are too long and the end of the macro is getting cut off. |
| 19:37.19 | Grum | thats not it |
| 19:37.23 | Grum | its ~210 chars orso |
| 19:37.43 | alestane | Toon names are limited to 12 characters, so that shouldn't be it. |
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| 19:38.08 | alestane | You get leaks on using the assist part, the reset part, or both? |
| 19:38.29 | peacehoof | holy crap, @defunkt's leafychat is EPIC awesome. |
| 19:39.06 | peacehoof | http://leafychat.com/ |
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| 19:40.38 | Justatest | fancy |
| 19:40.39 | Grum | only on setting |
| 19:41.34 | alestane | And what goes into chat? |
| 19:41.41 | Lopeppeppy | Purple pennies |
| 19:41.57 | Grum | sec- mcing thoruim hard atm :D |
| 19:43.35 | Legorol | now i know what our raiders do during the raid instead of focusing! |
| 19:43.40 | Legorol | they are chatting on IRC, like Grum |
| 19:43.46 | Legorol | i shall block their ports |
| 19:43.48 | Grum | and win, euuh the last 1-3 chars randomlu appear |
| 19:43.56 | Lunessa | Legrol - Congratulations. |
| 19:43.57 | Grum | as if i did: [enter]));[/enter] |
| 19:44.25 | Nafe | Grum, paste the macro here? |
| 19:44.55 | Nafe | (please) |
| 19:45.06 | Grum | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/117271 |
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| 19:45.40 | Grum | to use it you have to put it in a macro named "ASS" |
| 19:45.53 | alestane | Is that copied directly from the macro editor? |
| 19:45.57 | Grum | yes |
| 19:46.56 | Grum | oh! |
| 19:47.03 | Grum | it appears i have 1 trailing newline |
| 19:47.18 | Grum | let me see if that makes a diff |
| 19:47.22 | alestane | Yes, you have 4 lines in your pastey. |
| 19:47.32 | Cruciformer | and missing parentheses around GEtmacroIndexByName ("ASS") |
| 19:47.53 | Grum | makes no difference |
| 19:47.58 | Grum | sometimes the print() doesnt work |
| 19:48.00 | alestane | That's legal syntax though. |
| 19:48.03 | Grum | Cruciformer: that is valid lua :) |
| 19:48.08 | Cruciformer | kk |
| 19:48.16 | alestane | Grum: Do you have "Display Lua errors" turned on? |
| 19:48.25 | Grum | it doesnt error |
| 19:48.29 | Grum | but erm yeah i have buggrabber running |
| 19:48.33 | Grum | its really silent :p |
| 19:48.36 | Nafe | Grum: really? I guess that means I can save a few characters in some macros I write |
| 19:48.48 | Grum | yes really |
| 19:49.04 | Grum | lua> print"yeah" |
| 19:49.05 | lua_bot | Grum: yeah |
| 19:49.28 | alestane | An identifier immediately followed by a string literal means, "call the value in identifier with the string literal as its sole arguement. |
| 19:49.52 | Grum | lua> pprint({1,2,3}) |
| 19:49.52 | lua_bot | Grum: luabot:1: attempt to call global 'pprint' (a nil value) |
| 19:49.56 | Grum | lua> print({1,2,3}) |
| 19:49.57 | lua_bot | Grum: table: 0x9896a60 |
| 19:50.01 | Grum | lua> {1,2,3} |
| 19:50.02 | lua_bot | Grum: table: 0x89febd8 |
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| 19:51.14 | Grum | lua> x=function(...)return...); print( x"x",x"x" ) |
| 19:51.14 | lua_bot | Grum: luabot:1: 'end' expected near ')' |
| 19:51.18 | alestane | Grum: A line in a macro that doesn't start with a slash will get printed to chat as if you had just opened the chat box and typed it. |
| 19:51.20 | Grum | lua> x=function(...)return...end; print( x"x",x"x" ) |
| 19:51.20 | lua_bot | Grum: x, x |
| 19:51.41 | Grum | lua> x=function(...)return...end; a,b=x"x",x"x";print( a,b ) |
| 19:51.41 | lua_bot | Grum: x, x |
| 19:51.55 | Grum | alestane: yeah but ... there is no such line |
| 19:52.34 | Grum | 21:52:13 Assist: Hephaestoz |
| 19:52.34 | Grum | 21:52:13 [Xaroz:80] says: t); |
| 19:52.37 | Grum | that was just now O.o |
| 19:53.12 | Grum | and 4-5 assists later: |
| 19:53.12 | Grum | 21:52:56 Assist: Ashayla |
| 19:53.12 | Grum | 21:52:56 [Xaroz:80] says: ; |
| 19:53.58 | alestane | Try just typing the script line from the macro directly into the chat line and running it from there. |
| 19:54.56 | alestane | lua> print(print("Q!")) |
| 19:54.56 | lua_bot | alestane: Q! |
| 19:54.57 | Grum | 20 assists further -- no mistakes |
| 19:55.09 | Grum | it works fine in the chatline |
| 19:55.26 | alestane | lua> print(select('#', print("Q!"))) |
| 19:55.26 | lua_bot | alestane: Q!, 0 |
| 19:55.27 | Grum | OH mmm my macro is bound to 'r' |
| 19:55.27 | airtonix | am i right in assuming it just rewrites your assit macro with your targets name? |
| 19:55.32 | Grum | maybe i have some stupid stuff |
| 19:55.35 | Grum | airtonix: yeah |
| 19:56.15 | Grum | i got tired of typing the macro myself |
| 19:56.25 | alestane | Why, in a functional language, do people persist in making functions return void? |
| 19:56.27 | airtonix | i normally use /assist [target=focus] |
| 19:56.54 | Lunessa | alestane: 'cause they read a bad tutorial about c or c++ |
| 19:56.54 | alestane | Why not have print(...) return ...? It works just the same in most of the code. |
| 19:57.25 | Grum | airtonix: i want my focus target for other shit :) |
| 19:57.42 | Lunessa | And the office mate breaks out the Weird Al music. ROCK ON |
| 19:57.57 | cogwheel | jnwhiteh: sioraiocht: grats =) |
| 19:59.00 | cogwheel | and Legorol too, apparently... |
| 19:59.49 | Legorol | thanks cogwheel, i'm doooomed |
| 20:00.11 | Grum | meh .. why does that macro fail ... |
| 20:00.13 | Grum | it works in chat :D |
| 20:01.07 | cogwheel | airtonix: you know /assist takes a unit as a parameter directly, right? :P |
| 20:01.17 | Taroven1 | http://wowuidev.pastey.net/117272 - Anyone able to point me in the right direction there? (usage error in pastey) |
| 20:03.59 | Grum | cogwheel: 'unit' as in player/target/targettarget? |
| 20:04.09 | Nafe | alestane: what's the point in returning the argument to you? doesn't the return simply get discarded if you're not saving it in a variable |
| 20:04.10 | Grum | doesnt it take a 'charname' ? |
| 20:04.34 | Nafe | and if that's the case, why not save the argument into a variable before calling print, then call print(theVar) ? |
| 20:04.42 | Lunessa | Grum only if it's in your party/raid |
| 20:05.09 | cogwheel | char names are interpreted as units if they're in your party/raid |
| 20:05.16 | cogwheel | for the most part |
| 20:05.54 | cogwheel | not sure what would happen if someone in your raid were named Focus >< |
| 20:06.18 | Nafe | I'd expect focus to be one of those "reserved" names that a player can't pick |
| 20:06.34 | cogwheel | Nafe: slouken said they were going to make them reserved but it never happened |
| 20:06.35 | Grum | playerpet! awesome name |
| 20:06.52 | cogwheel | it wasn't until 2.0 that macros could work like that |
| 20:06.58 | Nafe | cogwheel: haha I see that. http://www.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=focus&searchType=all |
| 20:07.08 | cogwheel | so there were already a lot of people with names like Target, Focus, etc. |
| 20:07.22 | Grum | hehehe fail |
| 20:07.38 | Nafe | http://www.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=target&searchType=all |
| 20:07.50 | Lunessa | There was a guy who bitched that macros didn't work for him - his character-name was "partyhard" |
| 20:07.51 | Nafe | no one level70+ has target! |
| 20:07.58 | cogwheel | http://www.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=pet&searchType=all |
| 20:08.36 | cogwheel | lol http://www.wowarmory.com/search.xml?searchQuery=mouseover&searchType=all |
| 20:09.45 | Nafe | hmm I think I should go make a character with the name mouseover |
| 20:10.05 | Nafe | wonder how many macros that would break... |
| 20:12.25 | airtonix | i was just thinking same thing |
| 20:12.29 | airtonix | brb |
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| 20:14.27 | Shirik_ | uh, alestane |
| 20:14.37 | Shirik_ | nm |
| 20:15.09 | airtonix | Nafe, cogwheel : those names are taken on my server |
| 20:15.38 | airtonix | [insert joke about how targettargettargettargettargettarget turned into kevin bacon] |
| 20:15.52 | mikma | mmmm, bacon |
| 20:16.20 | Fisker | attacks Shirik |
| 20:16.23 | Fisker | for having _ |
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| 20:19.12 | alestane | Nafe: Passing arguments through allows you to use the stack much more inventively. |
| 20:19.31 | Lopeppeppy | TTFN! |
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| 20:19.36 | mikma | TMNT |
| 20:19.57 | Osstia | turtle power! |
| 20:20.21 | mikma | spotify:track:4ij0E2FYQZNkZQ5fSTXNgj |
| 20:20.22 | mikma | <3 |
| 20:20.36 | Shirik_ | it's a pattern that's even followed in C++ |
| 20:20.49 | Shirik_ | e.g., std::cout's operator << returns a reference to std::cout |
| 20:20.51 | alestane | As a very simple case, you could say something like 'local t = print(UnitName"target")'...print it and save it in one statement. That particular example doesn't gain us much, but there are other examples that would. |
| 20:21.09 | Shirik_ | which allows you to do things like std::cout << "Hello" << " " << "world!" << std::endl |
| 20:21.47 | alestane | One of the changes I'd *like* to see happen but probably won't be a priority, is to have frame and texture "set" methods return self. |
| 20:21.52 | Nafe | alestane: I understand what you mean. Tail-Recursion and such |
| 20:22.02 | Shirik_ | that would be very nice |
| 20:22.12 | Shirik_ | so you could do like frame:SetText():SetPoint() |
| 20:22.14 | Shirik_ | etc? |
| 20:22.16 | alestane | Yes. |
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| 20:24.05 | nevcairiel | Kaelten started a library to do that once |
| 20:24.09 | nevcairiel | was kinda a neat idea |
| 20:24.32 | nevcairiel | but it never got anywhere |
| 20:25.38 | Kaelten | Well practically it's a lot of overhead |
| 20:25.41 | Kaelten | for next to no gain |
| 20:25.46 | Kaelten | I did it as a thought exercise really |
| 20:25.48 | Kaelten | and it was neat |
| 20:25.51 | Kaelten | but not really practical |
| 20:26.11 | VonhintenHOME` | I wouldn't want to read code like that, and it's impractical given that if errors occur there's no exception handling |
| 20:26.41 | Lunessa | Grrrr.... windows "Settings Transfer" feature BLOWS |
| 20:26.53 | Kaelten | VonhintenHOME`: oh my lib was like jquery too, in that it could do operations on whole sets of elements, had a rudimentry css style selector too |
| 20:26.56 | Kaelten | it was fun |
| 20:27.29 | alestane | VonhintenHOME`: The best part is that it doesn't stop you from writing convention "frame:SetPoint(); frame:SetWidth(); frame:SetHeight()" code if that's what works for you. |
| 20:28.23 | alestane | But you can also format it more readably: |
| 20:28.23 | alestane | frame |
| 20:28.24 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.24 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.24 | alestane | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.46 | alestane | That also makes it easier for the debugger to point you at the point where it failed. |
| 20:28.49 | mikma | What's the difference between Police, and Sheriff? :) |
| 20:29.00 | nevcairiel | I don't see how that is really more readable then having frame infront of it |
| 20:29.17 | alestane | Police are municipal peacekeepers, sheriffs work for the county justice department. |
| 20:29.27 | Nafe | it's more readable than frame:SetPoint():SetPoint():SetWidth():SetHeight() |
| 20:30.13 | alestane | nevcairiel: It's slightly higher-performance that constantly replacing the value back on the stack, and if you wanted to do bulk frame definitions in Lua, I think it might be clearer than constantly restating frame. |
| 20:30.28 | mikma | alestane: i threw out a joke and said: "sheriff carries revolver, where police carries pistol." |
| 20:30.40 | alestane | Ah, I see. |
| 20:30.40 | mikma | imho, a nice difference, atleast in Cop Land movie xD |
| 20:31.06 | nevcairiel | I wonder how the performance compares to pushing the return value through the stack or reading that local var |
| 20:31.21 | VonhintenHOME` | bob marley shot the sheriff, but he didn't shot the police man |
| 20:31.30 | airtonix | hoho |
| 20:31.47 | alestane | In the chained version the value just stays on the stack, otherwise the function implementation or the Lua interpreter has to do actual work to pull it off. |
| 20:32.08 | nevcairiel | I wonder if Lua really does it that way |
| 20:32.15 | nevcairiel | i should check the opcode |
| 20:32.27 | VonhintenHOME` | who cares, it's such a minor performance question it's not worth spending time on :) |
| 20:32.45 | alestane | I wouldn't make such a change just for the sake of performance, no. |
| 20:33.19 | Nafe | alestane: what is it for, then? |
| 20:33.22 | alestane | But Lua was originally designed as a data description language, and that sort of flow is very natural to it. |
| 20:33.27 | VonhintenHOME` | Interesting article, never realized it: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3591 |
| 20:34.39 | VonhintenHOME` | Then define all your SetPoint, SetWidth, SetHeight calls+params in tables, and run them through a processor :) |
| 20:35.09 | alestane | Nafe: Being able to write, say, a frame initialization that way makes it into a executable description of the frame. |
| 20:35.25 | Thunder_Child | *sigh* my graphics are set so low and my camera view distance set so high that i can not see things around my char |
| 20:35.27 | VonhintenHOME` | hell, might even make parallelization easier |
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| 20:35.58 | alestane | XML is descriptive, but requires a separate parser to realize the description; Lua is typically regarded as purely executable. |
| 20:36.17 | alestane | But it can be phrased in a way which makes it both descriptive and functional. |
| 20:37.35 | alestane | *sigh*...I doubt many people consider the distinction important for any practical reason, but to me to changes the way one approaches and maintains the code |
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| 20:39.17 | alestane | But if you created, say, ":Anchor" as an alias for :SetPoint, you could write Lua programs that looked a great deal like the XML files used in WoW, but much terser and without requiring a separate parser (although jnwhiteh points out that XML can be validated against a schema using existing tools). |
| 20:39.50 | krka | alestane: funny enough, lua was designed as a data description language |
| 20:39.58 | krka | oh crap |
| 20:40.00 | krka | you already said that |
| 20:40.04 | alestane | krka: didn't I say that above? |
| 20:40.10 | krka | i need to read back further than 5 lines |
| 20:40.11 | krka | :P |
| 20:40.48 | VonhintenHOME` | I'd say they missed their goal |
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| 20:41.37 | krka | i disagree |
| 20:41.52 | krka | lua has very simple and powerful table type, and excellent string support |
| 20:41.55 | foxlit | I'd wonder why you'd say that. |
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| 20:45.23 | VonhintenHOME` | it's good at data structuring, but data description? |
| 20:46.31 | Nafe | lua> local s={} print(type(s).." =)") |
| 20:46.31 | lua_bot | Nafe: table =) |
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| 20:47.06 | alestane | The various syntactic sugars available in Lua give you great flexibility in structuring your code in a way that fits your information model. |
| 20:48.26 | alestane | You can also use it for a more "c-like" procedural model, but its functional structures allow you to use all sorts of "active descriptions" and other tricks derived from languages like LISP and Scheme. |
| 20:49.33 | Grum | there are not that many tricks though |
| 20:49.34 | alestane | http://www.tecgraf.puc-rio.br/~lhf/ftp/doc/hopl.pdf remains an excellent read. |
| 20:50.04 | nevcairiel | I kinda dislike the syntax of lisp |
| 20:50.22 | alestane | I agree, the syntax of LISP is a nightmare to read. |
| 20:51.07 | alestane | The endlessly nested parentheses are impossible to track easily. But Lua allows you to use some of those data flows in a more readable syntax. |
| 20:51.08 | nicoli_s | *shudder* man i hated lisp in school |
| 20:51.33 | cogwheel | had no idea Alan Turing was convicted of being gay... Not something the cover in CompSci :| |
| 20:51.37 | nevcairiel | the parantheses arent really the issue |
| 20:51.42 | nevcairiel | a good editor keeps them in check |
| 20:52.02 | Lunessa | cogwheel: Yeah, 1930's/40's attitudes were very different. |
| 20:52.05 | alestane | LISP also tends to render everything into prefix notation. |
| 20:52.07 | Ackis | cogwheel: convicted? it's a crime? |
| 20:52.08 | Osstia | cogwheel: ever read the cryptonomicon? |
| 20:52.12 | cogwheel | Ackis: was |
| 20:52.18 | alestane | Ackis: In some places it is, or was. |
| 20:52.26 | Ackis | ah |
| 20:52.34 | cogwheel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing#Conviction_for_gross_indecency |
| 20:52.43 | alestane | Used to be possible to get committed for it IIRC. |
| 20:52.47 | krka | i for one welcome our gay computer science overlords |
| 20:52.51 | Ackis | damn society is going downhill... making gay being legal, giving women the right to vote, stopping slavery... aye yi yi |
| 20:53.06 | krka | don't blame me, i voted kodo |
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| 20:53.15 | alestane | And the acts are often illegal in places...oral sex is still a felony in Virginia AFAIK. |
| 20:53.53 | Lunessa | alestane: It is in most parts of the US. |
| 20:53.58 | durcyn | alestane: i thought state sodomy laws were overturned by that supreme court case whose name i forget |
| 20:54.30 | Lunessa | durcyn: There were some fights over it here in Texas, that went to the US Supreme Court. |
| 20:54.50 | Osstia | durcyn: I am in Utah, and iirc we have a sodomy law still being enforced |
| 20:55.05 | durcyn | Lunessa: right. remember the defendant's name? |
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| 20:55.17 | Osstia | as far as i know its not actively pursued, its used in most cases to extend prison sentances in rape and molestation cases |
| 20:55.20 | alestane | "Semantically, Lua has many similarities with Scheme, |
| 20:55.21 | alestane | even though these similarities are not immediately clear because |
| 20:55.21 | alestane | the two languages are syntactically very different. The |
| 20:55.21 | alestane | influence of Scheme on Lua has gradually increased during |
| 20:55.21 | alestane | Luaâs evolution: initially, Scheme was just a language in the |
| 20:55.22 | alestane | background, but later it became increasingly important as |
| 20:55.23 | alestane | a source of inspiration, especially with the introduction of |
| 20:55.25 | alestane | anonymous functions and full lexical scoping." |
| 20:55.27 | alestane | Oh damn. |
| 20:55.33 | alestane | Sorry about the multi-line. |
| 20:55.36 | Lunessa | No, I can't. I know it was case from Houston, but that's all I know for certain |
| 20:55.40 | durcyn | you have been defeated by word wrap, alestane |
| 20:56.01 | alestane | That's what I get for copying from a PDF. |
| 20:56.24 | Osstia | Lawrence Vs Texas? |
| 20:56.32 | alestane | Scheme, from what I recall of my CS101 days, draws heavily on LISP, or is considered a dialect of it. |
| 20:56.36 | durcyn | well, okay, the plaintiff then |
| 20:57.08 | Osstia | http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/02-102.ZS.html |
| 20:57.18 | Osstia | i think thats the case you are referring to |
| 20:57.39 | Lunessa | Osstia: that's the one. |
| 20:57.49 | Nafe | alestane: PDFs really need a way to link textboxes together so copying is smooth... *sigh* |
| 20:58.47 | Cruciformer | Lisp: Lots of Insignifcant Silly Parentheses. |
| 20:58.48 | Osstia | and lunessa according to http://www.sodomylaws.org/ all US sodomy laws were deemed unconstitutional by that ruling |
| 20:59.43 | Lunessa | Osstia: IANAL and I only remembered the splash in the news. I don't care who has sex with whom as long as A) I'm not forced to participate, and b) it's consensual. |
| 21:00.22 | Cruciformer | Lunessa: Was using teh term "IANAL" pun-significant when talking about sodomy laws? :) |
| 21:00.24 | Osstia | amen to that |
| 21:00.28 | Lunessa | Yes. |
| 21:00.51 | Cruciformer | bravo then |
| 21:00.51 | Lunessa | I deliberately chose that acronym. |
| 21:00.52 | Osstia | my general rule of thumb has been, if its consentual, and its alive, and not a child, go for it |
| 21:01.20 | nicoli_s | what about if its orifices are filled with razorwire? |
| 21:01.35 | Thunder_Child | Osstia, child is a variable however |
| 21:01.36 | Osstia | hey, if both parties are into it, go for it |
| 21:01.43 | Lunessa | If two grown men want to hit each other over the head with a ball-peen hammer while wearing leather Boy Scout uniforms and blowing th cat - hey, go for it. |
| 21:02.06 | alestane | The assumption is that a child's consent is not valid consent, because they don't fully grasp what they're agreeing to. |
| 21:02.17 | Osstia | not syaing i am going to participate, but i am not going to judge either |
| 21:02.24 | nicoli_s | well the same could be said for the kitty in lunessas example |
| 21:02.38 | Osstia | i don't think a cat can consent |
| 21:02.48 | Grum | sure it can |
| 21:02.50 | Osstia | but maybe |
| 21:02.57 | Grum | if it mews it is ok! |
| 21:03.01 | Grum | it mews when you get food |
| 21:03.02 | Lunessa | And, in nearly every country in the world, children can't enter agreements/contract/give consent - and a guardian can't give consent for sex on their behalf in the US. |
| 21:03.04 | Grum | food = ok! |
| 21:03.07 | NightHawkTheSane | Osstia: ever try to give a cat a bath? >< |
| 21:03.17 | Grum | Lunessa: make it so for religion as well please |
| 21:03.20 | Osstia | i am deathly allergic to them, so no |
| 21:03.22 | Grum | kids cannot pick therefor should remain untainted |
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| 21:03.50 | durcyn | Lunessa: parents -can- give consent for marriage at what, 13, in most states? |
| 21:04.04 | Osstia | 13 or 14 |
| 21:04.06 | nicoli_s | i have a kitty that loves baths |
| 21:04.09 | Lunessa | Grum: Disagree, but only due to my cultural bias. Religion happens to be a major source of moral instruction and I don't think it should be denied. |
| 21:04.10 | Thunder_Child | 16 i thought actually |
| 21:04.11 | alestane | So if I understand the case summary right, the two were arrested, appealed to a state appeals court, the conviction was upheld, and they appealed that decision to the federal Supreme Court. |
| 21:04.14 | durcyn | which amounts to the same thing |
| 21:04.17 | krka | Lunessa: giving consent on others behalf is never legal when it comes to sex, afaik |
| 21:04.21 | Lunessa | durcyn: 14-16 in most. |
| 21:04.23 | Grum | Lunessa: brainwashing you mean? |
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| 21:04.25 | krka | that's called being a pimp :P |
| 21:04.30 | Grum | 'you do bad stuff you go hell' ? |
| 21:04.36 | Grum | dude there isnt even a hell! o.o |
| 21:04.45 | durcyn | Lunessa: yeah, well, tell me nothing's going to happen on that wedding night. |
| 21:04.47 | Lunessa | Grum: I'm not having an argument with you about a topic where your mind is made up. |
| 21:04.55 | Osstia | alestane: thats basicly how i read it |
| 21:05.09 | Grum | Lunessa: i agree that it gives a sense of community |
| 21:05.26 | Grum | but teaching kids to behave through threats is just weird imho :D |
| 21:05.26 | Lunessa | durcyn: sex in wedlock is a different legal matter, and in nearly all cases where marriage can happen before 18 - most states have laws which must be followed first. |
| 21:06.03 | alestane | "the fact a Stateâs governing majority has traditionally viewed a particular practice as immoral is not a sufficient reason for upholding a law prohibiting the practice" |
| 21:06.35 | ZorbaTHut | grum, problem is you could make that argument for basically every aspect of parenting |
| 21:06.47 | End | interesting |
| 21:06.55 | End | I think they nerfed the epic gem prospect rate |
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| 21:07.05 | ZorbaTHut | "can't give consent for punishment" "can't give consent for not being given candy!" "can't give consent for having to do homework, they're just a kid" |
| 21:08.08 | Lunessa | Also, I believe the law deals with your ability to give consent differently if you're an emancipated minor. |
| 21:08.12 | ZorbaTHut | I'm not a huge fan of some of the completely nutcase religious zealots either, but, I mean, there is a baby, there is bathwater, the dividing line between them is hazy at best. let us not risk throwing out the baby. we like the baby. |
| 21:08.31 | Lunessa | But I don't know, I didn't seek consent/legal advice while I was one. |
| 21:09.06 | alestane | That line seriously makes me think of Peppy. |
| 21:09.37 | Lunessa | I am not opposed to exposing your child to religious teachings. I'm in favor of it. I'm also in favor of letting people chose their own religion if they desire. |
| 21:09.51 | Lunessa | So expose them to lots of them. :) |
| 21:10.04 | ZorbaTHut | lunessa, I approve of that idea quite a bit more :) |
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| 21:10.37 | Grum | ZorbaTHut: howso? |
| 21:10.40 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.thelocal.se/20232/20090623/ this is kind of interesting, if you haven't seen it. |
| 21:10.48 | Lunessa | I was exposed to lots. :) I made my own choice later |
| 21:10.49 | ZorbaTHut | grum, which? |
| 21:11.04 | Grum | howso could you use that argument for every aspect of parenting |
| 21:11.16 | Grum | i doubt you have to threaten to get your way all the time |
| 21:11.31 | ZorbaTHut | grum, if you're saying that kids should not be exposed to religious teachings because they haven't consented to them, you could trivially extend that to *any* teaching |
| 21:11.36 | ZorbaTHut | or, indeed, any interaction of any sort |
| 21:11.57 | Grum | well yes and no, religion is still a form of brainwashing :) |
| 21:12.06 | ZorbaTHut | this seems foolish, and I do not see an obvious reason why "religion" is a dividing line. |
| 21:12.18 | ZorbaTHut | I feel that there are non-religious teachings which are more brainwashy than some religious teachings. |
| 21:12.18 | Grum | bit crude .. but erm you get locked into certain believes that do not have to make sense |
| 21:12.29 | Grum | oh yeah, scientology for one :) |
| 21:12.54 | ZorbaTHut | I'm not going to argue that religion is, on average, a little more brainwashy. But dividing it along the religion boundary seems extraordinarily dubious. If you wanted to divide it somewhere, you'd need to find a much, much better line to do so on. |
| 21:13.01 | Adys | Need some opinions guys if poss |
| 21:13.01 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/static/spells-new.htm |
| 21:13.14 | Adys | is the tooltip confusing? |
| 21:13.18 | ZorbaTHut | I still say that "ghost wolf" is the coolest spell ever. I mean, "ghost wolf" |
| 21:13.37 | Grum | ZorbaTHut: i agree, from a certain point of view is telling that 'god' exists the sameas telling 'santaclaus' exists |
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| 21:13.50 | ZorbaTHut | adys, I'm not sure. it's a little visually cluttered, but I'm not sure how to improve it |
| 21:14.36 | Grum | yet one of the two will get 'corrected' over the years |
| 21:14.36 | ZorbaTHut | I think de-highlighting the 1 might improve it |
| 21:14.36 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: thing is |
| 21:14.36 | Adys | the tooltip changes if i have glyph of ghost wolf |
| 21:14.36 | Adys | its not something I add manually |
| 21:14.42 | ZorbaTHut | it normally is 1% and it changes to 2%? |
| 21:14.44 | Codayus | As an athiest, it's hard for me to see religion as more than a moral framework wrapped in some history and mythology. As such, it's really hard to see - as an athiest - a good argument for not teaching children religion. It seems no more damaging and "brainwashy" than teaching your children to be in favor of (or against) social justice, or environmentalism, or organised labour, or whatever. |
| 21:14.44 | Adys | Also note the link at the 1% |
| 21:14.55 | Adys | no ZorbaTHut |
| 21:15.01 | Adys | the grey part just disappears without the glyph |
| 21:15.10 | ZorbaTHut | okay, I still feel like getting rid of the link at the 1% will improve things then |
| 21:15.14 | Grum | Codayus: yeah i've got a similar point of view |
| 21:15.15 | ZorbaTHut | you've already got a link for "glyph of ghost wolf" |
| 21:15.22 | ZorbaTHut | you don't need to add another link in the middle of modified text |
| 21:15.28 | Adys | its not the same thing ZorbaTHut |
| 21:15.30 | Adys | basically |
| 21:15.34 | Adys | that link you see at the 1% |
| 21:15.35 | End | yeah, it looks cluttered and confusing, but I'm not sure how to make it better |
| 21:15.39 | Codayus | I mean, children can't evaluate arguments about global warming. Should we prevent parents from teaching them? The answer, I think, is "obviously not, because that would be retarded". :-) |
| 21:15.42 | Adys | its going to be in every spell |
| 21:15.48 | End | it's obvious to me what is doing though |
| 21:15.52 | Adys | eg food spells that get their value from another spell |
| 21:15.57 | Grum | i wouldnt care about religion if people would not try to use it as a means of getting their way |
| 21:15.59 | Adys | I can change the color though if its too confusing |
| 21:16.05 | ZorbaTHut | I think I'm gonna need an example of that |
| 21:16.10 | Grum | or try to persuade people to 'join in' :D |
| 21:16.18 | ZorbaTHut | since right now it's just two links to the same thing |
| 21:16.40 | ZorbaTHut | grum, I think you could substitute a hilarious number of things for "religion" in that statement :) |
| 21:16.51 | Codayus | Grum: Again, doesn't that apply to political parties, philosophys, moral frameworks, clubs, sports? |
| 21:16.57 | Grum | yes but religion 'cripples' someones thinging from my pov |
| 21:16.59 | Codayus | Little league baseball? :-) |
| 21:17.01 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: sec |
| 21:17.17 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: http://db.mmo-champion.com/s/food/ |
| 21:17.17 | Grum | *thinking |
| 21:17.26 | ZorbaTHut | I guess what I'm getting at is, you have some good points in general - but for some reason you're applying them strictly to religion. I don't see why you're doing that. |
| 21:17.38 | Adys | here, the 62.1 health will link to the main "Food" spell for that level |
| 21:17.46 | Adys | blizzard uses meta-spells for that kind of stuff |
| 21:17.49 | Adys | they link one specific spell |
| 21:18.00 | Grum | ZorbaTHut: i agree, religion doesnt have to be the cause of it, sadly most of the times it is |
| 21:18.03 | Adys | and change it when they want to change the value of every spell using it |
| 21:18.14 | Codayus | Cripples thinking? Maybe, but so does being indoctrinated to follow team sports, IMHO. And again - as an athiest - most athiests seem hardly more inclined to skeptical thinking or critical evaluation of their underlying axioms than non-athiests. :-/ |
| 21:18.29 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: I could also add a legend |
| 21:18.48 | ZorbaTHut | adys, I guess the problem, as I see it, is that you're picking out one very small part of it and making it a very different color |
| 21:18.56 | Grum | Codayus: people calling themselves athiest is something that asks for frowning :D |
| 21:19.00 | ZorbaTHut | I think it'd flow better, in that case, if you linked the entire "restores blah over blah sec" |
| 21:19.08 | Adys | there can be multiple values |
| 21:19.12 | ZorbaTHut | and changed the color relatively subtly - enough that it's clearly different, not enough that it makes the eyeball hurt |
| 21:19.25 | Codayus | And I think environmentalism - in both it's pro- (global warming will kill us all!) and anti- (global warming is a myth created by socialists!) flavours - qualifies more strongly for the whole "damaging cult-like thinking" label than any mainstream Western religion. |
| 21:19.28 | Adys | like "Does <foo to bar> dmg, and an additional <bar to baz> damage over 5 sec" |
| 21:19.52 | ZorbaTHut | so, link "does foo to bar dmg", and "an addition bar to baz damage over 5 sec" |
| 21:19.57 | nicoli_s | whats with that list at the bottom adys? tabs ftw |
| 21:20.00 | ZorbaTHut | I'm basically saying that numbers are tough enough for human eyeballs to parse already |
| 21:20.09 | ZorbaTHut | violently changing the color on them just makes things worse |
| 21:20.13 | Adys | nicoli_s: "meh" |
| 21:20.22 | Codayus | (Of course, MY beliefs are absolutely rational, and it'd make perfect sense for me to teach them to anyone, including small children. I'm just skeptical about every other human on the planet - and with good reason, as I'm sure you'll agree!) |
| 21:20.32 | Adys | nicoli_s: I might add tabs later for lists > x items |
| 21:20.33 | ZorbaTHut | codayus, <3 |
| 21:20.36 | alestane | nevcairiel: The creators of Lua say of the decision to create a language rather than use an existing one: "We did not consider LISP or Scheme because of their unfriendly syntax." |
| 21:20.45 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: its very hard to do |
| 21:20.52 | Adys | in the spell.dbc it might look something like this |
| 21:21.11 | ZorbaTHut | adys, so you're saying it's a fun challenge? ;) |
| 21:21.14 | Lunessa | Oh man, Grum went there. |
| 21:21.16 | Grum | Codayus: yeah lol ... global warming is quite fun :P |
| 21:21.22 | Adys | "Does $12345s1 damage, and an additional $12367o1 damage over $o2 sec" |
| 21:21.39 | Adys | I *really* dont enjoy parsing sentences |
| 21:21.44 | Adys | it feels wrong for that jo |
| 21:21.45 | Adys | +b |
| 21:22.05 | ZorbaTHut | well, at the very least, drop the neon green coloring and make it something close-but-different to the original coloring |
| 21:22.20 | ZorbaTHut | I can think of some heuristics I'd try to make things link up better |
| 21:22.24 | ZorbaTHut | but, effort |
| 21:22.27 | nicoli_s | Adys, do you all mine item data via lua or packets? |
| 21:22.52 | Adys | I got access to the official database didnt you know? |
| 21:22.57 | Adys | (I dont sniff packets) |
| 21:23.03 | Grum | you do? :D |
| 21:23.07 | Grum | the whole complete database? O.o |
| 21:23.28 | Adys | yeah. |
| 21:23.40 | Grum | who did you bribe? :D |
| 21:24.31 | Adys | your mom |
| 21:24.47 | Grum | that was one far reaching bribe then :D |
| 21:25.20 | Adys | she's easy to bribe, she got married 5 times |
| 21:25.23 | Adys | wait, thats bride |
| 21:25.30 | Adys | ZorbaTHut: i think for now ill drop the 1% link |
| 21:25.45 | Thunder_Child | that was bad Adys, even for you |
| 21:25.53 | ZorbaTHut | adys, you could also conditionally drop a link if it's already been linked (like in that case) |
| 21:26.09 | Adys | I could do that yeah |
| 21:26.27 | Adys | for now.. ill leave it to those spells |
| 21:26.33 | Adys | even if they're very few it looks like blizz wants to play |
| 21:26.42 | nicoli_s | Pneumatus, launch the v4 clien |
| 21:26.45 | Adys | http://ptr.wowhead.com/?spell=2645 |
| 21:26.57 | Adys | play the "who's gonna support it fully first" game that is |
| 21:27.09 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:27.09 | nicoli_s | adys, do you really have access to the official db? |
| 21:27.19 | Adys | nicoli_s: if I did I wouldnt be shouting it here really |
| 21:27.22 | Pneumatus | you know something will be missing, dont you :P |
| 21:27.23 | Adys | .. or would I |
| 21:27.26 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 21:27.38 | nicoli_s | i figured you just did scanning via lua but i wasnt sure |
| 21:27.52 | nicoli_s | oh i do pneumatus but still |
| 21:28.00 | Adys | lets just say there are many methods and packet sniffing isnt one of them :) |
| 21:28.10 | Adys | too unreliable |
| 21:28.14 | nicoli_s | i think youll like the new changelog feature |
| 21:28.21 | nicoli_s | how is packet sniffing too unreliable? |
| 21:28.27 | nicoli_s | its great if you have a good tool for it |
| 21:28.29 | Adys | unreliable to support |
| 21:28.33 | Cruciformer | also packets sometimes smell like ass, and who wants to sniff ass (unless u r canine) |
| 21:28.42 | nicoli_s | oh yeah you mean that |
| 21:29.10 | nicoli_s | theres some guy i know who has software that can do it great |
| 21:29.18 | nicoli_s | but he sold it to some chinese botting guys |
| 21:29.43 | Adys | dont get me wrong |
| 21:29.47 | Adys | I have packet sniffing tools :) |
| 21:29.51 | Lunessa | Hahah... Yes. They're letting me take the older iMac home. SWEET. |
| 21:29.51 | Adys | I just dont use them for the db |
| 21:30.06 | alestane | Lunessa: Is it Intel? |
| 21:30.12 | Lunessa | Yeah. |
| 21:30.30 | alestane | DO they have another one? I need an up-to-date computer SO BADLY. |
| 21:30.50 | nicoli_s | i am so glad i get to work with a game with alot more data client side now |
| 21:30.52 | alestane | I'm still running on a G4 Mac Mini. |
| 21:31.03 | nicoli_s | if i want all the new items from aion i just run my toolapp and wait like 5 min |
| 21:31.24 | Lunessa | alestane: I wish. I'd happily send you one, but these remain the property of the State, and I have to turn them over on demand. |
| 21:31.57 | Lunessa | However, I do have a spare XP box.... |
| 21:33.16 | alestane | No need for another XP box, but thank you. |
| 21:33.22 | End | lua> print(23/6) |
| 21:33.22 | lua_bot | End: 3.8333333333333 |
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| 21:34.44 | Shade25 | Greetings, may I pick someones brain a moment? |
| 21:34.59 | Grum | what if we say no? :D |
| 21:35.03 | End | hides the brains. |
| 21:35.27 | Shade25 | Then I suppose I would have to go sulk in a corner? |
| 21:35.35 | Grum | do you have a webcam? |
| 21:35.42 | Shade25 | heh no |
| 21:35.43 | Grum | if so! /no |
| 21:35.47 | Grum | oh dang, yes it is then |
| 21:35.55 | Pneumatus | nicoli_s: no donate button, fail |
| 21:35.57 | Cruciformer | when u say "pick" do you mean randomly select one brain from teh crowd or do you want actual information from the brain collective? |
| 21:36.11 | Shade25 | I'd prefer the latter |
| 21:36.20 | Lunessa | My brain is not available for "picking" - it's not yet ripe. |
| 21:36.32 | Cruciformer | why dont you go ahead and ask your question and if someone knows Im sure they will answer. |
| 21:36.54 | Cruciformer | ~asktoask |
| 21:36.54 | purl | This is IRC. Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question and if someone's around, they'll be glad to help. |
| 21:36.54 | nicoli_s | hmmm, could of sworn there was a donate button when i used it |
| 21:37.01 | Pneumatus | nicoli_s: changelog doesnt show anwhere near as much as it needs to, either :< |
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| 21:37.10 | nicoli_s | what do you mean? |
| 21:37.26 | Shade25 | Alright, well I was reading about the new API changes, and the change to IsFlyableArea, and while that is great on its own, it has a problem for me |
| 21:37.44 | nicoli_s | also, donate is in, not sure why its not showing for some addons |
| 21:37.51 | nicoli_s | its on cartographer for me |
| 21:37.57 | Pneumatus | ive got an addon set to alpha, if i show the changelog for latest available it shows the single alpha revision and then the last beta and release versions |
| 21:38.01 | Pneumatus | but none of the alphas in between |
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| 21:38.11 | Pneumatus | BUT it also shows nolibs, which its pointless showing |
| 21:38.34 | Pneumatus | seeing as nolib revisions are gonna have identical changelogs to normal ones |
| 21:39.06 | Cruciformer | Shade25: and....? |
| 21:39.12 | Shade25 | Since that (I believe anyhow) will simply tell you if you can fly there, not if you have the skill to do so (ala Cold Weather Flight). So if the person was in Outland for instance, it'd say true, if they were in flyable areas of Northrend, it'd say true. But without checking players zone to a zone list (which would have to be localized) there is no way of knowing where there are to check if they need cold weather |
| 21:39.42 | Shade25 | they are rather |
| 21:40.10 | Kraps_ | the dangerous days of daniel x |
| 21:40.16 | Kraps_ | meh |
| 21:40.20 | Shade25 | So essentially, my question is am I just missing something, or is there an easier/better way? |
| 21:40.28 | Grum | Shade25: i assume it takes in account how your char is setup |
| 21:40.37 | Arrowmaster | Shade25: you dont need any localization |
| 21:40.50 | Shade25 | How so? |
| 21:41.05 | phorim | Greetings fellow WoW addicts. I've recently decided I want to get back into programming after 15 years, and I thought helping develop WoW addons might be a good incentive for me to trudge through tutorials and such. Here is my question: What programming language(s) would be useful to learn not only for WoW addons but for the rest of the software world? |
| 21:41.22 | Grum | as it should report on any <lvl60 char that it cannot fly |
| 21:41.35 | ZorbaTHut | phorim, well, if you want to do WoW addons, you're looking at Lua |
| 21:41.36 | Grum | phorim: well wow requires lua |
| 21:41.37 | End | phorim: you can only use lua for AddOns |
| 21:41.38 | Shade25 | This case is assuming they can fly, and have a mount |
| 21:41.38 | ScytheBlade1 | http://notalwaysright.com/the-right-place-at-the-wrong-time/2194 |
| 21:41.39 | ZorbaTHut | you don't really have a choice on that point' |
| 21:41.54 | Pneumatus | nicoli_s: also, if you view changelog for latest on an addon, then leave the changelog window open and view changelog for current, it gets confused :) |
| 21:42.05 | Shade25 | can fly (ala over level 70) |
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| 21:42.23 | Arrowmaster | !api continent |
| 21:42.23 | lua_bot | Found 2 possible results for 'continent': GetCurrentMapContinent, GetMapContinents |
| 21:42.32 | Kraps_ | ScytheBlade1: epic |
| 21:42.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Kraps_: stupid person is stupid |
| 21:42.59 | Grum | Shade25: i'd check how it works first :) |
| 21:43.03 | Grum | ptr ftw! |
| 21:43.08 | phorim | So perhaps I should start at http://lua-users.org/ and hunt down tutorials there? Or is there a defacto website/book I should pick up? |
| 21:43.09 | nicoli_s | mind filing a ticket for that one pneumatus? |
| 21:43.16 | Arrowmaster | Shade25: assuming that it doesnt take into account if you have cold weather flying, you could check if you are in northrend by using SetMapToCurrentZone() followed by GetCurrentMapContinent() |
| 21:43.24 | Kraps_ | HAY EVRY1 LUK AT MY COOL WEED I JUST GOT |
| 21:43.28 | Arrowmaster | phorim: www.wowprogramming.com |
| 21:43.29 | Cruciformer | EVEN MORE FUNDAMENTALLY, WHY DO YOU CARE sHADE25? |
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| 21:43.34 | Cruciformer | sorry caps |
| 21:43.39 | Pneumatus | id guess they are related, due to the fact the left bar isnt populated fully, regardless |
| 21:44.11 | phorim | Thanks Arrowmaster :-) |
| 21:44.47 | phorim | And thanks everyone else for the overwhelming lua response :-) |
| 21:44.50 | Arrowmaster | so since the change to IsFlyableArea() has been brough up, anybody have a warlock on the PTR with kilrogg glyph? |
| 21:45.04 | Shade25 | Because I have a mod, that has a function that mounts the person based on criteria (ground, flyer, or smart). Smart determines if they are in an area they can fly (IsFlyableArea works fine here) but also if they have the ability too (ala have a flyer, and if in northrend, cold weather) then mounts the best mount availible |
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| 21:45.24 | End | Arrowmaster: yes, but what's the IsFlyableArea() change anyway? |
| 21:45.33 | End | and how would it affect my eye? |
| 21:45.50 | Lunessa | Arrowmaster: I could copy mine over, but I haven't |
| 21:46.04 | Shade25 | but I don't know a way to check if they are in Northrend and have Cold Weather, without using GetZoneText which is localized, so doing a loop for an a zone array written in english, doesn't work for russian, german, etc.. |
| 21:46.06 | Arrowmaster | End: IsFlyableArea() was changed to not return true for everywhere in dalaran |
| 21:46.21 | End | so you think the eye might not be able to fly anymore? |
| 21:46.35 | Arrowmaster | Shade25: i just told you how to check, GetCurrentMapContinent() |
| 21:46.36 | Lunessa | Shade25: Check for the ID for Cold Weather Flying in their spell book |
| 21:46.45 | Arrowmaster | End: might not be |
| 21:46.46 | End | fly in dalaran I mean |
| 21:46.52 | End | I'll check |
| 21:46.59 | Shade25 | I'm sorry I missed that ArrowMaster, I just saw !api continent and didn't know what you meant |
| 21:47.53 | Arrowmaster | you must not have any kinda highlighting of lines with your name in them, i said it directly to you |
| 21:47.54 | Kraps_ | http://notalwaysright.com/hardware-lightly-sauteed-for-flavor/2195 |
| 21:48.44 | Shade25 | Already got cold weather handled but thank you Lunessa |
| 21:49.17 | End | hm, zoning to dalaran is slow |
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| 21:52.24 | msoul | Is it better to go with armor penetration over expertise? |
| 21:52.50 | End | Arrowmaster: eye still flies |
| 21:52.59 | Kraps_ | wtf http://notalwaysright.com/scamming-in-plain-sight/509 |
| 21:53.23 | End | lol |
| 21:53.31 | End | the duration of my eye ended |
| 21:53.35 | End | so my eye started falling |
| 21:53.44 | mikma | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8WJu6MNfSg&feature=related |
| 21:54.28 | Maldivia | hmm |
| 21:55.01 | msoul | wobin: ping |
| 21:56.13 | Shade25 | Ok time for me to hop off, but thank you all for the help, and I'm sorry for any confusion |
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| 21:56.26 | mikma | msoul: he's not here |
| 21:56.39 | msoul | :/ |
| 21:56.48 | *** part/#wowuidev Shade25 (i=186f8b36@gateway/web/freenode/x-dbcab07977b20179) |
| 21:56.49 | msoul | He's the one who told me about that kirin tor ring |
| 21:57.05 | Maldivia | poke Adys :) |
| 21:57.06 | msoul | Thought of telling him about the upgrade in p3.2 i'm sure he knows about it too |
| 21:57.12 | Adys | sup Maldivia ? |
| 21:57.32 | Maldivia | hey hey |
| 21:57.48 | msoul | Anyone knows the answer though about Expertise/armor penetration? |
| 21:57.59 | Kraps_ | epic story bro http://notalwaysright.com/as-the-checkout-line-churns/2181 |
| 22:01.01 | mikma | cairenn|afk: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/liondog.png |
| 22:01.15 | Cairenn|afk | omg |
| 22:01.27 | Cairenn|afk | what a horrendous thing to do to that poor dog :( |
| 22:01.32 | Thunder_Child | no kidding |
| 22:02.17 | Kraps_ | i love that you now click links in chatzilla and it opens a new tab in the background |
| 22:02.39 | p3lim | using cmd, how can i get the index names of a folder printed into a text file? |
| 22:02.45 | p3lim | i keep forgetting it |
| 22:03.01 | bleeter | oh how the "mighty" seinfeld has fallen... http://www.news.com.au/business/money/story/0,28323,25759196-5013952,00.html |
| 22:03.04 | nicoli_s | if i had a dog with that much hair i'd linoify them too |
| 22:03.50 | p3lim | anyone? |
| 22:05.18 | mikma | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/1_irony.jpg |
| 22:05.21 | Kraps_ | whats Newcastle's Greater Building Society ? |
| 22:05.39 | Maldivia | p3lim: dir /b > somefile.txt ? |
| 22:06.03 | bleeter | Kraps_: newcastle is like.. the third biggest city in New South Wales, Australia. So it's basically some small regional bank like thing. |
| 22:06.07 | mikma | dd in=/dev/random of=/dev/hda bs=1024 |
| 22:06.14 | mikma | in=if :I |
| 22:06.21 | p3lim | Maldivia: thanks |
| 22:06.44 | Maldivia | p3lim: not 100% that's what you're asking for, but that will list the contents of a folder and write it in a text file |
| 22:07.21 | p3lim | 'was exactly what I was looking for :) |
| 22:07.26 | Maldivia | hehe, ok :) |
| 22:07.29 | *** join/#wowuidev Adys (n=adys@unaffiliated/adys) |
| 22:07.55 | p3lim | you know if there is a way to remove extension names too? |
| 22:08.05 | p3lim | such as avi, mp3, url, txt osv |
| 22:08.07 | p3lim | etc* |
| 22:08.29 | Maldivia | so it just lists sub-folder? or so it list files, but not their type? |
| 22:08.44 | p3lim | just a list of files, but not their type |
| 22:08.45 | p3lim | :) |
| 22:09.05 | Maldivia | pipe it through sed or something, hehe :) |
| 22:09.08 | p3lim | (making index lists of my media files, would be a bitch to remove .avi and .mp3 from each line |
| 22:09.28 | Maldivia | open in a text editor and do replace all ".avi" with "", and ".mp3" with "" etc |
| 22:09.38 | p3lim | yeah I could do that |
| 22:10.19 | bleeter | bwhahaha WANT http://consumerist.com/5310576/tauntaun-sleeping-bags-closer-to-reality |
| 22:11.09 | Thunder_Child | fail |
| 22:11.29 | p3lim | bleeter: awesome! |
| 22:11.44 | phorim | hilarious |
| 22:11.50 | Maldivia | p3lim: btw, if you want contents of all sub-folder as well, add /s |
| 22:12.10 | p3lim | yeah i just read something about it |
| 22:12.25 | p3lim | google <3 |
| 22:12.27 | p3lim | anyways, gnite |
| 22:12.48 | Kraps_ | http://notalwaysright.com/lol-omg-grandma-read-the-faq/2155 |
| 22:15.38 | Taroven1 | Kraps: o_O |
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| 22:30.30 | Kraps_ | http://notalwaysright.com/and-you-thought-the-ed-commercials-were-bad/2113 |
| 22:39.13 | Kraps_ | this is why companies have to put idiotic warnings on stuff http://notalwaysright.com/stop-the-presses/2092 |
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| 22:44.55 | Shishire | Does WoW allow Lua to run require() or dofile()? |
| 22:45.13 | End | no |
| 22:45.50 | Shishire | hmmm... I take it then that there's no way to open a file once the client has started? |
| 22:46.09 | ZorbaTHut | yup, totally impossible |
| 22:46.42 | Shishire | damn.. There goes that lightweight idea... |
| 22:46.48 | Shishire | thank's anyways |
| 22:52.30 | Kraps_ | i dont get this one http://notalwaysright.com/1-800-krypton/2072 |
| 22:52.57 | Lunessa | Kraps_: geek fial |
| 22:53.00 | Lunessa | fail |
| 22:53.23 | Kraps_ | i'm a lesser geek |
| 22:53.43 | Lunessa | Son of Jor-El, kneel before Zod! |
| 22:54.03 | Kraps_ | wheres that from? |
| 22:54.39 | Lunessa | Jor-El is Kal-El (aka Superman)'s father. Zod is a Kryptonian rebel leader that Joe-El banished to the Phantom Zone for his crimes against Krypton. |
| 22:55.19 | Lunessa | Typing Fail, Lunessa |
| 22:55.24 | Kraps_ | and the yell was just to kill time? |
| 22:55.41 | Lunessa | in the not-always-right story, yes. |
| 22:56.14 | Lunessa | The line was in many comic books but also made "famous" by the Superman II movie. |
| 23:04.37 | Kraps_ | Caller: âI donât need to do s***! Thatâs it! I want to speak to your supervisor. No, I want to speak to your supervisorâs supervisor! I WANT TO SPEAK TO THE MAYOR OF THE INTERNET!â |
| 23:04.44 | Kraps_ | nice |
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| 23:12.37 | *** part/#wowuidev phorim (n=phorim@99-9-119-8.lightspeed.livnmi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 23:15.25 | Lunessa | You know you've been spending too much time on installs when you can't remember that IISS components are on the Windows XP CD. |
| 23:19.47 | Thunder_Child | hmm..you know Shirik Shirik_, i think lightroom uses the gpu. |
| 23:24.56 | cogwheel | /cast distract |
| 23:24.57 | cogwheel | http://shinymetalobjects.net/ |
| 23:27.34 | bleeter | kd3: so installed the latest Splashtop for my Asus mobo last night, and spent some time playing many of the games. Kinda amusing, if I had kids it'd be on my plate to build my own Splashtop ;) |
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| 23:29.26 | *** mode/#wowuidev [+o Shirik] by ChanServ |
| 23:34.11 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, can you use splashtop while the OS is loading? |
| 23:35.14 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: not on my box, but I seem to recall some comment about that kinda foo but am still unsure if possible |
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| 23:36.50 | Thunder_Child | lol Ackis, being bitched at in a bug report |
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| 23:38.46 | bleeter | rawr http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/6541/vacbanloldv3.jpg |
| 23:40.56 | Dagmar | Someone's parents didn't realize they could just leave the child outside in the snow. |
| 23:41.59 | Hjalte | bleeter: But but, ?????????.com doesn't lead anywhere! |
| 23:42.37 | bleeter | Hjalte: I blame window's crappy UTF fallback! |
| 23:43.40 | Hjalte | I want the undetectable hack :( |
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| 23:44.23 | Dagmar | Seems pretty detectable to me |
| 23:45.33 | Corrodias | i use an undetectable hack. the problem is that i can never tell whether it's working, because i can't detect it! |
| 23:45.53 | bleeter | T-CHING! |
| 23:45.59 | Dagmar | My hacks are much less detectable now that I have a staff |
| 23:46.03 | Dagmar | WHOOSH |
| 23:46.12 | Fisker | Hjalte maybe you should blame world filters |
| 23:46.14 | Fisker | n00b |
| 23:46.15 | Lunessa | Oh hai. I want to cheat and godmode and use your server and not pay and all that so I used this cheat tool and you ban me! WHAI? |
| 23:46.26 | Fisker | world = word |
| 23:54.25 | Thunder_Child | drives over Fisker |
| 23:55.24 | Kraps_ | Me: âAlright, so what browser are you using to view your websites?â |
| 23:55.26 | Kraps_ | Customer: âMozzarella Firefox!â |
| 23:55.31 | Fisker | survives |
| 23:55.57 | Thunder_Child | sounds tasty Kraps_ |
| 23:57.06 | Fisker | Thunder_Child i will end you |
| 23:57.13 | Thunder_Child | GL Fisker |
| 23:57.15 | Kraps_ | you know whats weird, all raid bosses are big, but FL freaks me out |
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