| 00:00.25 | Shirik | personally, I think it's a great way to reduce court costs |
| 00:00.25 | Shirik | you don't even need a jury anymore because the person is obviously guilty |
| 00:00.25 | bleeter | Shirik: u r giltee |
| 00:00.39 | bleeter | it all in ur nick |
| 00:02.41 | ScytheBlade1 | ugh |
| 00:02.42 | ScytheBlade1 | http://www.infobarrel.com/Bacon_Cheese_Pizza_Burger |
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| 00:06.19 | Kraps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX71XvnMDys&feature=channel |
| 00:06.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Kraps: worst idea -ever- |
| 00:06.54 | kd3 | http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/04/article-1197544-057A3EFE000005DC-266_964x681.jpg |
| 00:07.00 | kd3 | zomg awesome |
| 00:07.02 | mikma | http://www.wowhead.com/?item=18231 |
| 00:07.05 | Kraps | cool looking though |
| 00:07.07 | mikma | best shirt ^^ |
| 00:07.35 | ScytheBlade1 | Absolute worst idea ever though |
| 00:07.46 | Shirik | wtf kd3? |
| 00:08.29 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.splitreason.com/product/538 |
| 00:09.04 | kd3 | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/14/magazine/14lives-t.html?_r=1&ref=magazine |
| 00:09.08 | kd3 | http://www.hooverdambypass.org/ |
| 00:10.35 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> 136/250 |
| 00:10.36 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 0.544 |
| 00:10.44 | ScytheBlade1 | sighs at how craptastic USB is |
| 00:16.07 | bleeter | tries to look for some construction pics for kd3 of the Chinese city that's the fastest growing city in the world |
| 00:16.17 | bleeter | if only I could remember (a) it's name (b) how it's spelt... |
| 00:17.01 | amro | Chongqing? |
| 00:18.04 | bleeter | could be it |
| 00:18.46 | bleeter | amro: fairly certain that's it.. maybe.. hehe... it was late at night when I was watching Niall Ferguson's doco ;) |
| 00:22.25 | Shirik | wow |
| 00:22.33 | Shirik | I found a typo/grammatical error/whatever in NY times |
| 00:23.08 | Industrial | splenngi nazi's! |
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| 00:24.28 | msoull | How long does it take if you migrate your charecter to a diff realm |
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| 00:25.14 | Industrial | variable, I'd say within a work week |
| 00:25.16 | bleeter | kd3: http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=40673&in_page_id=34 |
| 00:25.38 | kd3 | oh, I remember seeing that pic |
| 00:25.52 | msoull | A week? hmm |
| 00:25.54 | Shirik | Pop quiz |
| 00:25.58 | Shirik | When I visited him in his office, Newsom, who is 41, had just finished rereading his notes on one of his favorite books about the state, Coast of Dreams: California on the Edge, 1990-2003, by Kevin Starr. |
| 00:26.01 | Shirik | What's wrong with this sentence |
| 00:26.20 | bleeter | kd3: I was looking for a diff pic, but don't ahve time so gave you that one for free anyways ;) |
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| 00:26.27 | kd3 | it should be underlined or in italics instead of quotes? |
| 00:26.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Shirik: it uses fancy quotes |
| 00:26.44 | Shirik | uh |
| 00:26.50 | Shirik | well I didn't catch that |
| 00:26.50 | bleeter | 'when I visited the 41 year old Newsom in his office, he had just finished' |
| 00:26.52 | Shirik | though that's true also |
| 00:27.12 | Shirik | bleeter offered one valid correction |
| 00:27.58 | bleeter | the fancy quotes may be the presentation engine, not the editor/author's reposnsibility |
| 00:28.31 | Shirik | I don't really believe in the whole "underline/italicize titles" thing |
| 00:28.35 | Shirik | it just is |
| 00:28.37 | bleeter | though some editors do seem to still think they should control the layout thing too |
| 00:29.00 | bleeter | also |
| 00:29.06 | ScytheBlade1 | I only mention the quotes because I hate them |
| 00:29.08 | Codayus | I think some newspaper style guides would prefer something like "Newsom (41) had just finished", but either way that's not a problem, as such. |
| 00:29.30 | bleeter | oh nm |
| 00:29.31 | Shirik | actually, it is a problem |
| 00:29.40 | Shirik | but why |
| 00:29.45 | msoull | heh in /1 they all said between an hour-2 |
| 00:29.53 | Codayus | The larger problem is the sentence is poorly written, and goes on forever, and has many many dependent clauses, and while I think it's actually technically gramatically correct, it's confusing. |
| 00:29.55 | Industrial | shouldn't "state, Cost" be "state; Cost"? |
| 00:29.55 | msoull | if true i'd move my chars to the alliance side |
| 00:30.09 | Shirik | nope |
| 00:30.15 | bleeter | 'office, Newsome, 41,' is a disaster of grammar |
| 00:30.17 | Codayus | Did the author get a great deal on a half-ton of commas or what? :-) |
| 00:30.23 | Shirik | the segment following the semicolon would not be a phrase |
| 00:30.40 | bleeter | people forget that spoken english is not the same as written |
| 00:30.46 | bleeter | well, 'cept in online chat hahahaha |
| 00:31.00 | Industrial | srsly |
| 00:31.01 | bleeter | I talk crap all the time IRL :P |
| 00:31.02 | ScytheBlade1 | truth |
| 00:31.11 | Codayus | Shirik: Semicolon? Wut? |
| 00:31.19 | Shirik | Industrial was proposing adding a semicolon |
| 00:31.22 | Codayus | Ah. |
| 00:31.25 | Codayus | Missed that. |
| 00:31.34 | Shirik | let's break it down |
| 00:31.35 | bleeter | Shirik: I propose adding a big black marker.. er.. mark |
| 00:31.45 | ScytheBlade1 | ... @ "let's break it down" |
| 00:31.45 | Shirik | Newsom, who is 41, had just finished rereading... |
| 00:32.03 | Shirik | there's a phrase "...who is 41..." |
| 00:32.04 | bleeter | gets on down |
| 00:32.07 | bleeter | gets up again |
| 00:32.10 | bleeter | falls over |
| 00:32.27 | Shirik | The subject is not Newsom in this situation, it is in fact the age. The object is Newsom. |
| 00:32.29 | ScytheBlade1 | shoots bleeter in the face |
| 00:32.34 | amro | semicolons go at the end of statements, silly! |
| 00:32.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Stupid guy needs to stay dead and stop twitching |
| 00:32.41 | Shirik | Despite the fact that the rest of the sentence has Newsom as the subject |
| 00:32.46 | Shirik | this phrase is inverted |
| 00:32.52 | Shirik | therefore, it should be "whom" not "who" |
| 00:32.52 | Codayus | I'd suggest a colon. "... books about the state: "Coast of Dreams: California on the Edge", by Kevin Starr." |
| 00:32.55 | Industrial | bleeter: get down get on up and dance :D\-< :D|-< :D/-< |
| 00:33.32 | Shirik | several other variants bleeter proposed would eliminate the problem by going around it, of course |
| 00:33.38 | bleeter | gits on teh seen liek teh sax mushine |
| 00:33.43 | Codayus | Also, the comma should be outside the quotes surrounding the title, not inside. If you use quotes, it should really be italics. |
| 00:34.15 | bleeter | Shirik: basically, the author needs a dang good fish slap and start again, it's just so wrong ;) |
| 00:34.28 | Shirik | well the thing is, it's the NY Times |
| 00:34.31 | Shirik | they have editors to check these things |
| 00:34.37 | Codayus | Heh |
| 00:34.39 | Industrial | anyway, I'm off. 2:40 zzz |
| 00:34.49 | bleeter | isn't NYT owned by Murdoch these days? |
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| 00:34.57 | bleeter | gnight Industrial |
| 00:35.17 | Codayus | bleeter: 1) No. 2) Wouldn't matter if it was. |
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| 00:35.30 | Shirik | so anyway |
| 00:35.43 | Shirik | does CA have some kind of law that says someone can't be governor for too long? |
| 00:35.46 | Codayus | NYT is the toy of the Sulzburgers. ...until they finish bankrupting it, anyhow. |
| 00:36.02 | Codayus | Yes. |
| 00:36.07 | bleeter | Codayus: ah yeah, it's that similar whack share structure that WSJ had |
| 00:36.18 | bleeter | and WSJ is now Murdoch, hence my 'confusion' ;) |
| 00:36.22 | Codayus | Shirik: Term limit - two terms max. |
| 00:36.40 | Codayus | Four year terms, of course. |
| 00:39.10 | Shirik | ScytheBlade1 |
| 00:39.12 | Shirik | you nutcase |
| 00:39.22 | bleeter | I'd almost turn religions and ask for God to save america if they ever end up with someone smart enough to create a decent 10 year plan :P |
| 00:39.28 | ScytheBlade1 | ? |
| 00:39.29 | ScytheBlade1 | What'd I do? |
| 00:39.37 | Shirik | issue #244 |
| 00:39.42 | Shirik | you posted "It's fixed" but never actually marked it fixed |
| 00:39.45 | ScytheBlade1 | blinks |
| 00:39.50 | ScytheBlade1 | Oh that one |
| 00:40.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes because I wanted to make sure it was actually fixed before flipping that switch |
| 00:40.11 | ScytheBlade1 | And then I got distracted |
| 00:40.13 | Shirik | that's the difference between resolved and closed |
| 00:41.05 | Shirik | the fix was in the security manager? |
| 00:41.14 | ScytheBlade1 | let me see if I have the source on this box |
| 00:41.30 | ScytheBlade1 | heh |
| 00:41.35 | ScytheBlade1 | I do, but without my password |
| 00:41.51 | ScytheBlade1 | Which is currently being imaged onto another drive right now.. |
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| 00:42.19 | ScytheBlade1 | yes, I do believe so |
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| 00:49.27 | Wobin | anyone recognise this movie? http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/2826/vlcsnap194591.jpg |
| 00:49.52 | ScytheBlade1 | no, but the person on the far left looks pretty creepy |
| 00:50.08 | bleeter | what ScytheBlade1 said |
| 00:50.21 | bleeter | though the person in the middle is almost familiar |
| 00:51.05 | Wobin | It's apparently a 70's horror flick |
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| 00:51.26 | Wobin | or supernatural one |
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| 00:52.19 | Shirik | I agree with the supernatural one |
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| 00:55.10 | Wobin | she's pretty creepy, eh? |
| 00:56.42 | peacehoof | So, I've been trying to work out how to do xunit-style testing in/of wow addons; I've stuffed luaunit into an addon but can't quite make sense of how to package up tests for individual addons in a way that won't annoy normal users, nor how to actually run/display the results |
| 00:57.18 | Shirik | wow |
| 00:57.20 | peacehoof | of course, if someone's worked on this before and it's just my weak google-fu that's not finding it, let me know :) |
| 00:57.22 | Shirik | seems like my backup drive just killed itself |
| 00:58.09 | Shirik | ok Linux gurus |
| 00:58.13 | ScytheBlade1 | 42 |
| 00:58.23 | Shirik | How can I continue a backup which was done with tar -czf |
| 00:58.36 | Shirik | that is, have it skip whatever's already in the created tar |
| 00:58.42 | Shirik | add what's missing |
| 00:59.30 | ScytheBlade1 | I can think of a couple convoluted ways |
| 00:59.33 | peacehoof | -u rather than -c, I think? |
| 00:59.40 | ScytheBlade1 | oh right, that switch |
| 00:59.51 | kd3 | hey, the easy way |
| 00:59.53 | kd3 | gasp |
| 01:00.02 | peacehoof | but backup the backup first just in case |
| 01:00.04 | peacehoof | :) |
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| 01:02.11 | Kraps | woot for resumeable downloads! unwoot for nieces who press power buttons! |
| 01:03.51 | Shirik | $ tar -uzvf ./external_backup /cygdrive/f/* |
| 01:03.52 | Shirik | tar: Cannot update compressed archives |
| 01:03.54 | Shirik | try again |
| 01:04.00 | Shirik | un gzip it first? |
| 01:04.04 | ScytheBlade1 | yup |
| 01:04.16 | Shirik | that might not be an option |
| 01:04.24 | peacehoof | yeah, gunzip should give you a .tar that you can hopefully append to |
| 01:06.51 | Kraps | cant find anything on why humans pace |
| 01:07.27 | kd3 | Kraps, this is why my case is somewhere inaccessible. |
| 01:07.44 | Kraps | what |
| 01:07.54 | kd3 | "unwoot for nieces who press power buttons!" |
| 01:08.00 | Kraps | ah |
| 01:08.07 | ScytheBlade1 | has had odd urges to build computer cases into walls |
| 01:08.37 | Kraps | welp, i need to access it, and i have limited mobility |
| 01:09.08 | kd3 | mine's on my desk behind my monitors... I can get to it easily enough... it's just out of sight for those who tend to go 'ooh, button!' |
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| 01:09.19 | peacehoof | I hate irc clients |
| 01:09.59 | Thunder_Child | makes it rather hard to use IRC then |
| 01:10.11 | ScytheBlade1 | peacehoof: to answer, I'm unsure of anyone who really unit tests their addons like that |
| 01:10.15 | Thunder_Child | ScytheBlade1, i have had weirder |
| 01:11.10 | peacehoof | Thunder_Child: yeah. irssi I can just about stand but the server I had things set up nicely on is toast :( |
| 01:11.58 | peacehoof | ScytheBlade1: ok, thanks. I'll stop worrying about fitting in with others and just make things useful for myself then :D |
| 01:12.16 | Kraps | CoT:The Fall of Gnomeregan /discuss |
| 01:12.26 | kd3 | wtb |
| 01:12.41 | peacehoof | only if I get to be a leper gnome |
| 01:12.41 | kd3 | along with a phased stormwind that still has prestor til level 65 or so |
| 01:13.10 | kd3 | prestor/fordragon et al |
| 01:13.42 | peacehoof | CoT: 24h Alterac Valley: Iron Man. 1 Emblem per hour |
| 01:13.49 | Kraps | any other cots you would like? |
| 01:14.22 | peacehoof | old school, no reinforcements |
| 01:14.48 | peacehoof | then all the folks who moan about the good old days will be too busy dying on the bridge to harass us young'uns :p |
| 01:15.02 | NightHawkTheSane | CoT:Back When I Was Excited to Log On |
| 01:15.35 | mikma | hmm |
| 01:15.45 | mikma | cant even remember the old AV anymore |
| 01:15.47 | mikma | lolz |
| 01:15.52 | kd3 | I can |
| 01:16.00 | NightHawkTheSane | i can. >< i wish i couldn't |
| 01:16.04 | kd3 | "the hell? It's still going? Did they summon the elementals yet?" |
| 01:16.09 | Kraps | goes to check when he started wow |
| 01:16.18 | ScytheBlade1 | lol @ CoT:Back When I Was Excited To Log On |
| 01:16.33 | tekkub | CoT: MC |
| 01:16.41 | NightHawkTheSane | ScytheBlade1: tell me you wouldn't want that. ;) |
| 01:16.49 | ScytheBlade1 | That's kinda awesome |
| 01:17.16 | peacehoof | CoT: Filling Chen's Keg |
| 01:17.28 | Kraps | who? |
| 01:17.55 | Kraps | May 11, 2008 9:23:02 AM |
| 01:18.04 | mikma | CoT: Birth of Hogger |
| 01:18.13 | ScytheBlade1 | aka |
| 01:18.18 | ScytheBlade1 | The Beginning Of The End |
| 01:18.30 | Stanzilla | CoT: AQ Opening without Lag |
| 01:18.58 | peacehoof | http://www.wowwiki.com/Chen_Stormstout |
| 01:19.01 | kd3 | meh. no one outside of medivhians can complain about the lagfest that was aq's gate opening |
| 01:19.36 | kd3 | was there on his lowly 54 mage when kalahad struck the gong |
| 01:19.39 | ScytheBlade1 | kd3: Doomhammer people can. At a certain point, an extra few hundred people doesn't matter |
| 01:19.47 | ScytheBlade1 | (or thousand) |
| 01:21.46 | Kraps | CoT: D-Day |
| 01:21.57 | bleeter | kd3: I seem to recall a bunch of oceanics bitching about AQ opening ;) :P |
| 01:22.19 | peacehoof | oh yeah, tekkub; check your pull requests. :) or don't you want reminders of unspent talent points? :p |
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| 01:22.53 | tekkub | I'm sorta in a completely different state right now |
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| 01:23.25 | Kraps | someone is threatening blizz with a suit cuz of all the non-enter-able instances |
| 01:23.27 | bleeter | continues to read scrollback |
| 01:23.31 | Kraps | on the forums |
| 01:23.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Kraps: people do that on a weekly basis |
| 01:23.52 | tekkub | sounds like a load of krap |
| 01:23.54 | kd3 | weekly? daily? |
| 01:24.01 | ScytheBlade1 | Something like that |
| 01:24.02 | kd3 | ponders tabbing open CS |
| 01:24.14 | bleeter | Shirik: as I said before, tar is 'tape archive' and the compressors are really just pipes. thus, no, one can't update a compressed (or gzip, or bzip) without extracting the tape archive first |
| 01:24.19 | Kraps | tekkub: ITS NOT ME |
| 01:24.26 | bleeter | *really just pipes from the tape.. blah blah |
| 01:24.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Generally they entertain the thread for a bit, and then say "use the resources we've given you in this thread" and lock it |
| 01:24.54 | Kraps | you its 9 pages now |
| 01:24.59 | Kraps | yeah* |
| 01:25.07 | ScytheBlade1 | This on CS or general? |
| 01:25.08 | bleeter | Kraps: someone might have a case if they've paid to transfer to a low pop realm and are still getting 'can't enter' errors |
| 01:25.26 | ScytheBlade1 | hahahahahahahaha |
| 01:25.27 | Kraps | ScytheBlade1: us general |
| 01:25.29 | bleeter | ie, they've taken the instruction from blizz to transfer, and it hasn't helped at all, and all blizz want is more money |
| 01:25.44 | ScytheBlade1 | "This is just a fair warning to the associates at Blizzard, about me starting *****an online petition***** for a class action lawsuit" |
| 01:25.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Emphasis mine |
| 01:25.48 | bleeter | but it'd still be difficult, 'cannot guarantee service' etc. in the contract |
| 01:25.53 | kd3 | online petition? wahahaha |
| 01:26.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I like reply #4 though |
| 01:26.27 | ScytheBlade1 | " |
| 01:26.27 | ScytheBlade1 | "Haha.... they own your account. Shut up. |
| 01:26.29 | ScytheBlade1 | " |
| 01:26.36 | ScytheBlade1 | stupid buggy copy |
| 01:26.40 | bleeter | does the UK Prime Minister still have his petition page thing? |
| 01:26.43 | peacehoof | tekkub: yah, I'm not actually meaning to stalk you; just noticed you were here too |
| 01:26.51 | peacehoof | the number ten thing? yeah |
| 01:27.06 | bleeter | yeah it's not binding, but it's at least a serious online petition thing |
| 01:27.06 | peacehoof | it's run by mysociety who do loads of awesome stuff |
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| 01:27.48 | bleeter | ScytheBlade1: yeah, they own your account.. they instruct you to transfer realms and pay for the pleasure... so you transfer.. and still get the error. I think that might be answerable.. maybe ;) |
| 01:28.04 | bleeter | 'deceitful and misleading' or somesuch |
| 01:28.56 | bleeter | 'coz it's not like they're actually saying WHAT the problem is, WHERE it exists, HOW to specifically work around it or what the plan for the FUTURE is, are they? |
| 01:29.03 | bleeter | not that I've looked recently for a battleplan, I gave up |
| 01:30.07 | peacehoof | there was a statement that they are doing some hardware work to fix things |
| 01:30.50 | peacehoof | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=9941934722&sid=1 |
| 01:30.54 | bleeter | peacehoof: afaik not like the pre-BC battleplan they had that kept a lot of people happy through the huge increase in subscribers |
| 01:31.49 | bleeter | peacehoof: interesting... month or two later than it should've been, though |
| 01:32.15 | peacehoof | depends when they actually started working on it i guess |
| 01:32.21 | bleeter | think of all the transfer $$'s they've taken in the meantime! |
| 01:33.46 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, they set up the cost so people wouldnt do it |
| 01:35.04 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: huh? |
| 01:35.44 | Kraps | pop it lock it polka dot it countrify then hiphop it |
| 01:35.53 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, it doesnt really cost them anything to do the xfer, they simpy did not want people doing it willy nilly so they put in the cost to discurage xfers |
| 01:36.10 | Pneumatus | so, anyone know of an addon that works out what specs arena opponents are and remembers them for future fights? |
| 01:36.27 | Pneumatus | well, talent trees |
| 01:37.27 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: I think you missed the point of what I was saying ;) |
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| 01:38.23 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: lets say I'm a pay tv provider. your reception turns to crap. you complain to me. I tell you to move house to get a better receiption, but it'll cost $500 to me for you to move house. So you move. Your reception doesn't improve. |
| 01:38.44 | Wobin | ahaha |
| 01:38.48 | Wobin | NSFW: http://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/mis/1252955580.html |
| 01:39.06 | bleeter | in some consumer jurisdictions, that may be considered deceitful and misleading behaviour on my behalf as the information was probably available to me at the start that it probably wouldn't help |
| 01:39.27 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, did they say xfering would get rid of the problem? |
| 01:39.55 | Kraps | Wobin: is there a pic? |
| 01:40.01 | Corrodias | Wobin: is that bill cosby? |
| 01:40.10 | Wobin | Kraps: yes |
| 01:40.14 | Wobin | Corrodias: god I hope not |
| 01:40.21 | Wobin | fuzzy pic |
| 01:41.04 | Kraps | why is there a penis pic on craigslist? |
| 01:41.37 | Thunder_Child | because it's craigslit |
| 01:42.56 | Kraps | someone needs to find this craig guy and lock him in a basement or something |
| 01:43.04 | Thunder_Child | criagslit is the monocole wearing version of 4chan |
| 01:43.16 | Thunder_Child | craigslist* |
| 01:43.46 | Thunder_Child | monocole and tophat* |
| 01:45.26 | Kraps | a really filth tophat, trying to pass of as a legit gentleman |
| 01:46.30 | peacehoof | *monocle, tophat and nothing else* |
| 01:47.07 | Wobin | and a bow tie |
| 01:47.12 | Wobin | (but not around the neck) |
| 01:47.22 | Kraps | O_O |
| 01:47.40 | peacehoof | ankle? |
| 01:47.54 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: I can't be bothered looking for specifics, however statements such as "each realm is allotted only a certain amount of active instances. While this allottment is quite large, should a realm's instance "cap" be met, as is possible on the weekend or during peak gaming hours" are more or less synonymous with 'well transfer to different timezone/lowpop battlegroups' |
| 01:48.20 | Kraps | half hour to sims 3 *bounces impatiently* |
| 01:48.35 | peacehoof | re: naked bill cosby: http://nedroid.com/2009/06/the-science-of-cosby/ |
| 01:50.40 | peacehoof | NB there is no naked bill at that url |
| 01:52.55 | Thunder_Child | bleeter, interpretation is bollix |
| 01:57.55 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: yeah, that's what I suspect a genuine complaint would be about. you wouldn't read it as that, but I would read 'during weekend or peak gaming' as being such. If I were US based I'd be looking to transfer OFF US weekend/peak, onto Oceanic, and vice-versa. |
| 02:18.57 | Shirik | ok bleeter |
| 02:19.00 | Shirik | what about |
| 02:20.21 | Shirik | gzip -d ./backup.tar.gz | tar -u /path/to/files/ | gzip -9 > ./backup2.tar.gz |
| 02:20.24 | Shirik | yah? |
| 02:20.45 | Shirik | note the problem is that I cannot decompress this file, I do not have the space |
| 02:21.34 | ScytheBlade1 | gzip -cd |
| 02:21.45 | ScytheBlade1 | without the -c, -d will write a new file |
| 02:22.33 | Cruciformer | or use gzcat |
| 02:22.42 | Shirik | gzcat does not exist |
| 02:23.07 | Cruciformer | wow. odd install of gzip. |
| 02:23.44 | Kraps | World First "He Feeds On Your Tears" by Method |
| 02:23.53 | Kraps | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:23.54 | Shirik | blah |
| 02:24.02 | Shirik | tar -u cannot be used with output to stdout |
| 02:24.23 | Shirik | sorry |
| 02:24.28 | Shirik | I mean it cannot be used with input from stdin |
| 02:24.49 | Cruciformer | Shirik: Does zcat exist? |
| 02:24.51 | ScytheBlade1 | just nuke your existing tar already then |
| 02:25.00 | Shirik | yes it does |
| 02:25.00 | Gnarfoz | Kraps: you're late to the party. |
| 02:25.00 | Cruciformer | my centos doesnt have gzcat either but it does have zcat |
| 02:25.16 | Kraps | Gnarfoz: banned already? |
| 02:25.35 | bleeter | most modern distros have given gzcat away 'coz gzip -c does exactly the same (why waste some inodes? ;) |
| 02:25.48 | Gnarfoz | no, they got it 4 days ago. :p |
| 02:25.52 | bleeter | at least, afaik |
| 02:26.08 | Kraps | wat |
| 02:26.30 | Shirik | wait |
| 02:26.39 | Shirik | isn't tar one of those formats that you just add stuff to? |
| 02:26.43 | Shirik | like you can literally append? |
| 02:26.44 | Cruciformer | zcat is most often a hardlink to gzip and it uses argv[0] switching, so all you waste is a single inode, no actual fs space. |
| 02:26.52 | ScytheBlade1 | no, I don't believe |
| 02:26.58 | Shirik | either tar or gz is |
| 02:27.02 | Shirik | I thought it was tar |
| 02:27.03 | bleeter | tar is |
| 02:27.03 | ScytheBlade1 | gz is one stream |
| 02:27.05 | ScytheBlade1 | tar is? |
| 02:27.06 | bleeter | TAPE ARCHIVE |
| 02:27.07 | ScytheBlade1 | huh |
| 02:27.09 | Gnarfoz | also, nothing ban-worthy in there, it's just "one-shot this without people dying, kk?", which probably is not that hard to do at the level of play they have ;) |
| 02:27.09 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 02:27.12 | Shirik | rofl bleeter |
| 02:27.32 | Shirik | so |
| 02:27.47 | Shirik | maybe some find magic |
| 02:27.49 | ScytheBlade1 | well |
| 02:27.51 | bleeter | hell at one stage you could just splice another tape into the middle of another, long as you knew where the bits were |
| 02:28.04 | ScytheBlade1 | your archive is still gzipped, and you can't just append to that |
| 02:28.14 | ScytheBlade1 | So you get to find some magic indeed |
| 02:28.23 | Cruciformer | bleeter: what are you trying to do? |
| 02:28.39 | bleeter | Cruciformer: world domination, what else is there to do? |
| 02:28.56 | Cruciformer | meh been there, done that,, own the slaves that made the tshirt. |
| 02:29.07 | peacehoof | --update Append the named files if the on-disk version has a modi- |
| 02:29.07 | peacehoof | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.08 | peacehoof | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.16 | peacehoof | fuck, sorry for broken paste |
| 02:29.23 | ScytheBlade1 | 3 lines is okay ;) |
| 02:29.36 | bleeter | peacehoof: please don't tell me that you think I'm talking those new fangled 1/4" tapes! |
| 02:30.09 | Kraps | ITT Romanticized nostalgia overwriting real memories of how crappy it used to be |
| 02:30.11 | bleeter | though maybe I'm thinking old SunOS4 behaviour... mmmm |
| 02:30.21 | peacehoof | bleeter: uphill, both ways, in the subatomic snow? |
| 02:30.31 | Cruciformer | bleeter: but seriously, what are you trying to do? |
| 02:31.10 | bleeter | Cruciformer: at the moment? mirror centos5.3 from my ISP's rsync, talk to my new squeeze, follow the conversation in here and avoid pointing out it's not me with the tar/gzip issues ;) |
| 02:31.25 | Cruciformer | oh :) Who is? |
| 02:31.27 | bleeter | oh and finish off my iMac's install of F11 |
| 02:31.41 | bleeter | one of the S's is |
| 02:31.51 | bleeter | I always get them mixed up so I've given up trying to be specific |
| 02:32.17 | bleeter | odd how I don't confuse either of them with sixed, but maybe that's just 'coz sixen is awesome |
| 02:32.26 | bleeter | s/sixed/sixen/ |
| 02:32.34 | bleeter | :P |
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| 02:34.05 | Cruciformer | ah well if someone wants to tell me the issue with tar/gzip perhaps I can help. |
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| 02:35.53 | ScytheBlade1 | shirik needs to resume a backup of a dying drive without decompressing his tar |
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| 02:36.48 | Kraps | installing the sims! |
| 02:38.17 | Kraps | hey, i can move this folder and install on another computer right? |
| 02:38.18 | Shirik | ok here's what I'm thinking |
| 02:38.34 | Kraps | not that i would... |
| 02:38.40 | Shirik | use find to get all files |
| 02:38.42 | Kraps | <.< |
| 02:38.53 | Shirik | inverted grep for all existing files (use tar to figure out what files are already in) |
| 02:38.56 | Cruciformer | and sed out teh results ot a zcat backup | tar tf |
| 02:39.25 | Cruciformer | *of a |
| 02:39.40 | Shirik | once we've done the inverted grep, can pass that in to tar |
| 02:39.57 | Shirik | wait, hm |
| 02:40.04 | Cruciformer | yup that was exactly what I was about to start typing in. |
| 02:40.04 | Shirik | this isn't going to work because I can't append to gzipped file |
| 02:40.06 | Shirik | only to tarred file |
| 02:40.14 | ScytheBlade1 | 22:24 < ScytheBlade1> just nuke your existing tar |
| 02:40.18 | Shirik | no :< |
| 02:40.22 | Cruciformer | so you have a backup.tar.gz and a backup2.tar.gz |
| 02:40.23 | Shirik | I'll do that tonight if it comes down to it |
| 02:41.42 | peacehoof | what scale are we on here? 5G? 50G? 5Tb? |
| 02:42.00 | Cruciformer | scale > available hdd space evidently |
| 02:42.24 | Shirik | approximately 100GB |
| 02:42.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Go toss that drive in a ziplock back into a freezer |
| 02:42.40 | ScytheBlade1 | Come back in a few hours and start over :P |
| 02:42.49 | Shirik | 100GB uncompressed, that is |
| 02:44.10 | Shirik | what the crap |
| 02:44.13 | Shirik | man 1 tar > no man entry |
| 02:44.25 | Dagmar | There's a reason for that |
| 02:44.27 | peacehoof | I'm just wondering at what point it becomes worth spending some cash on an ec2 instance and throwing dataz at it |
| 02:44.31 | Cruciformer | and just man tar in case its not in section 1? |
| 02:44.40 | ZorbaTHut | or, like, buying a spare hard drive |
| 02:45.18 | peacehoof | $ whatis tar |
| 02:45.18 | peacehoof | tar(1) - tape archiver; manipulate "tar" archive files |
| 02:45.37 | peacehoof | if it's not in 1, you're in trouble :) |
| 02:45.41 | Cruciformer | peacehoof: thats on your OS. Shirik's may be different. |
| 02:45.59 | Cruciformer | Some OS vendors have weird section names for man pages. |
| 02:46.05 | Dagmar | I'm just figuring he told it to skip installing the man pages |
| 02:46.22 | Shirik | I have tar 5 |
| 02:46.25 | Dagmar | ...or he didn't install tar, which would be funny |
| 02:46.27 | Dagmar | Weird |
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| 02:46.40 | Shirik | but that's a bit useless to me |
| 02:46.51 | Cruciformer | tar --help ftw |
| 02:47.34 | Pneumatus | there's an append flag for tar iirc |
| 02:47.39 | Dagmar | I dont' know why it would be in 5. That's generally for stuff relating to config file formats |
| 02:47.44 | ScytheBlade1 | Not for compressed archives |
| 02:47.46 | Pneumatus | or a 'changed' flag |
| 02:48.26 | Cruciformer | Not enough distributions have pax. The one thats in centos isnt the AST version of pax its some other thing. |
| 02:48.35 | Cruciformer | the AST version of pax is godlike. |
| 02:49.33 | Cruciformer | in fact a large number of unix-heads I know havent even heard of pax |
| 02:50.51 | Cruciformer | for thoe that havent, its the "portable archive exchange". It can deal with cpio, tar and a myriad other formats all in one tool, and at least teh AST version has all sorts of yummy options for renaming files on teh fly etc. |
| 02:51.15 | Cruciformer | pax was POSIX's attempt to standardise archive formats. |
| 02:51.40 | ScytheBlade1 | meh, cpio is best done manually ;) |
| 02:52.22 | peacehoof | tar -zt foo.tgz > already;tar -czf foo2.tgz -X already |
| 02:52.30 | peacehoof | now you have foo and foo2 |
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| 02:53.20 | Dagmar | Umm... what are you trying to do there with -zt exactly? |
| 02:53.34 | Cruciformer | Dagmar: list the contenets without fill attributes |
| 02:53.39 | Cruciformer | *full |
| 02:53.54 | Cruciformer | it gives you the listing of whats already there to create the exclusion list for -X |
| 02:53.56 | Dagmar | I get the feeling a list of filenames isn't what you want |
| 02:54.32 | peacehoof | I think that gives foo and foo2, between them containing all the files you wanted at the start |
| 02:54.46 | Dagmar | I think you should test that command sequence |
| 02:55.24 | peacehoof | I think that's a given when typing things at the shell some stranger on the internet told you to type :) |
| 02:55.36 | Dagmar | <-- is a "unix guy" |
| 02:55.57 | bleeter | Cruciformer: I blame lack of pax(1) uptake on a certain norwegian idiot and his cult of personality ;) |
| 02:56.13 | Dagmar | ...or to be less diplomatic about it, that won't do anything. |
| 02:56.39 | peacehoof | I didn't fill in all the blanks, yes |
| 02:59.26 | Cruciformer | bleeter: Which one would that be? |
| 03:01.18 | Cruciformer | I wonder what teh issue is with the AST license that more linux istros dont include the real ksh93 and AST pax |
| 03:02.04 | Dagmar | You filled out blanks wrong. :/ |
| 03:02.16 | Cairenn | ScytheBlade1: poke |
| 03:02.35 | peacehoof | can I get an *OH*SNAP*? http://wowuidev.pastey.net/117113 |
| 03:02.47 | Dagmar | If you want the list of filenames in a tarball, you use -tv, not -zt |
| 03:03.39 | Cruciformer | Dagmar: You do NOT want -v in thre it will give you owners and permissions and the like |
| 03:03.54 | peacehoof | "unix guy" fight! |
| 03:04.02 | Cruciformer | you just want -t ... the -z just means do the gzip decompression on teh fly |
| 03:04.17 | Dagmar | ...although in this case you probably want just -tf. It's smart enough to spot a compressed archive on it's own |
| 03:04.42 | Dagmar | I can probably declare myself "teh winnar" of that one |
| 03:05.05 | Dagmar | Not only have I been at it for over a decade, I'm sitting here patching up the Dropline build engine to handle some changes to the way Slackware's latest package tool handles thing |
| 03:05.17 | Dagmar | I gotta make the engine capable of using lzma now. *sigh* |
| 03:05.46 | Dagmar | Boring, easily tractable problems suck |
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| 03:07.26 | peacehoof | someone adjudicate! or at least translate for me, since I still don't see what I got wrong. also, in 2009 being at unix for over a decade isn't exactly old school :p |
| 03:07.42 | Dagmar | Try running the command. :) |
| 03:08.16 | Dagmar | If you want to get picky about it, I switched to Linux full-time when WfWg 3.11 came out, mainly because of stinky ol' winsock |
| 03:08.30 | Dagmar | Before then I just used "other people's" systems. ;) |
| 03:08.38 | Cruciformer | peacehoof: Heh is working on HP-UX back in 1984 "old school" enough? |
| 03:08.47 | Wobin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3lFKbVaPZw&feature=player_embedded |
| 03:08.55 | Dagmar | It's sad when you can measure experience in statutes of limitations. Heh |
| 03:09.02 | peacehoof | Dagmar: did you see the pastey? |
| 03:09.24 | bleeter | Cruciformer: I know a bunch of people who'd call people who started in Unix ~1984 'a bunch of freakin'* noobs' |
| 03:09.37 | bleeter | *toned down for public consumption ;) |
| 03:09.51 | peacehoof | Cruciformer: since I hadn't started any kind of school at that point, yeah that'll do it :) |
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| 03:10.12 | Cruciformer | bleeter: When I worked at SCO I worked with a bunch of them. They worked for AT&T back witj ken thompson, dennis ritchie etc. |
| 03:10.30 | Cruciformer | in fact quite a large number of people in the new jersey office were from the original AT&T days. |
| 03:10.57 | Cruciformer | and they called us noobs too :) (the actual word they used was neophytes but teh sentiment is the same) |
| 03:10.57 | Wobin | "It's important not to panic when a tank dies, just keep concentrating on doing donuts" |
| 03:11.03 | Dagmar | hehehe |
| 03:11.37 | bleeter | Cruciformer: the guys I'm thinking of a Aussie CSIRO/PMG/ANU types, yeah I guess same generation roughly ;) |
| 03:12.38 | Cruciformer | they were wicked smart tho, Ill give them that. |
| 03:12.48 | bleeter | kinda amusing to poke at their grey hairs 'coz you just know they'll still run rings around any new guys to this day |
| 03:12.58 | bleeter | so the grey hairs are all one's got to stir them about ;) |
| 03:13.34 | Dagmar | You know you've been at it awhile when you've forgotten what the flags do and just have to think "do this" at your fingers and the commands just roll out on their own |
| 03:13.38 | bleeter | least we got b'dale to give up his beard mwhahahahahaha |
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| 03:14.03 | Cruciformer | one of the smartest people I know heralds from that era. Name is Dave Prosser. he designed ELF basically (as well as numerous other things internal to SYSV but thats the one most people would recognise) |
| 03:14.41 | Kraps_ | sims 3 bsod's me /grind teeth |
| 03:14.47 | Dagmar | Ouch |
| 03:15.00 | Kraps_ | IRQL NOT LESS OR EQUAL |
| 03:15.09 | Cruciformer | update video driver |
| 03:15.10 | Dagmar | I'd ask if you installed the 1.2.7 patch but it doesn't fix a whole heckuva lot |
| 03:15.15 | bleeter | Kraps_: hah oops |
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| 03:15.21 | bleeter | Kraps_: replace all memory |
| 03:15.32 | Dagmar | It does break my nice debugenabler.package tho. *sigh* |
| 03:15.35 | Kraps_ | i have the latest nvidia drivers |
| 03:15.46 | bleeter | oh well downgrade then |
| 03:16.10 | Kraps_ | really? |
| 03:16.13 | Dagmar | Look at it this way man, at least it's over with quick |
| 03:16.33 | Dagmar | Under W7 it likes to let you play without issue for hours, and when you go to save... Doh! Won't save. |
| 03:16.42 | Cruciformer | lemme guess, bsod is nvlddlkm.sys? |
| 03:16.52 | Dagmar | I found a fun thing last night. |
| 03:17.03 | Kraps_ | idk, didt look too hard Dagmar |
| 03:17.06 | bleeter | iirc IEQL NOT LESS OR EQUAL is 'hey some timing thing's out and we have NFI so NYER NYER' |
| 03:17.10 | Dagmar | A guild2guild meta-channel facilitator which doesn't really pick random channel names. |
| 03:17.45 | bleeter | which further translates into 'change everything you possibly can, including downgrading and reupgrading drivers, and hardware and... etc. until it goes away' |
| 03:17.54 | bleeter | one of the reasons I avoid Windows |
| 03:18.00 | Dagmar | I fired it up and chaos reigned for a few minutes there |
| 03:18.29 | bleeter | mind you, *nix has some crack error message too :) |
| 03:18.41 | bleeter | EVERY OS SUCKS!!!!11!11!!!juanyuanwonone |
| 03:18.46 | Dagmar | I love unix error messages. THey're nice and tidy. |
| 03:19.16 | Cruciformer | core dumped |
| 03:19.26 | Cruciformer | about as tidy as it gets :) |
| 03:19.33 | Thunder_Child | ~lart bleeter |
| 03:19.33 | purl | stuffs bleeter into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
| 03:19.57 | Dagmar | They come in quiet little foreshadowy messages into syslog form, and explosive "OMGWERGOINDOON!" panics that fill the screen with hex when you win the lottery |
| 03:22.25 | peacehoof | Dagmar: did you see the pastey? I'm off to bed anyway (GMT+1) but just trying to work out if I'm as brain-damaged as it seems |
| 03:22.38 | Dagmar | The pastey looks valid to me |
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| 03:23.47 | Dagmar | It might wind up adding the list of the filenames to the final tarball, but at least it'll yeild the difference between the two |
| 03:24.38 | Cruciformer | I think there were a bunch of implied > /tmp/filename in there |
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| 03:24.53 | Cruciformer | not actually dropping them in $PWD |
| 03:25.27 | Thunder_Child | do aoe buffs show up in the combat log? |
| 03:25.54 | Cruciformer | TC: When you get them I believe they do as some kind of AURA_APPLIED or somsuch |
| 03:26.23 | peacehoof | well anyway, other than a missing 'f' and an implied missing '*', that pastey contained everything that I typed in here. so, yay, good; I'm not cracking up. night all! |
| 03:26.38 | Cruciformer | night peacehoof |
| 03:26.53 | Thunder_Child | so an addon can parse that info and insert the casters name into the buff tooltip? |
| 03:27.29 | Cruciformer | Id have to examine my combat logs closely but I dont see why not. Can u give me an example of the AOE buff? |
| 03:27.31 | bleeter | Thunder_Child: I believe so. Howto, no idea soz. |
| 03:27.57 | Dagmar | We need deconstructable spells like Ryzom had. |
| 03:28.18 | bleeter | We need rigid areas of uncertainty and doubt. |
| 03:28.25 | Thunder_Child | Cruciformer, example from the combat log? |
| 03:28.27 | Dagmar | This would give us that |
| 03:28.43 | Cruciformer | No example of an AOE buff ... Im way tired and cant think of any |
| 03:28.46 | Dagmar | It would take theorycrafting to new levels of insane-o complexity while still allowing people to set up infinite mana conditions. ;) |
| 03:28.54 | Cruciformer | Ill look at my combat logs see if its there |
| 03:28.56 | Thunder_Child | Prayer of Fortitude |
| 03:29.31 | Cruciformer | 6/4 02:20:59.090 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0480000000D902B8,"Fayfay",0x514,0x0480000000D902B8,"Fayfay",0x514,48162,"Prayer of Fortitude",0x2,BUFF |
| 03:29.34 | Dagmar | In Ryzom (at first) you didn't "just" learn the spell, you learned it's components which just happened to be pre-arranged into a complete spell |
| 03:29.43 | Thunder_Child | damn...no caster name |
| 03:29.47 | Thunder_Child | oh..nv |
| 03:29.48 | Thunder_Child | m |
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| 03:29.53 | Cruciformer | Fayfay is teh caster name |
| 03:29.59 | Thunder_Child | fayfay was the caster then? |
| 03:30.06 | ScytheBlade1 | lua> 222/250 |
| 03:30.06 | Thunder_Child | or the target |
| 03:30.06 | lua_bot | ScytheBlade1: 0.888 |
| 03:30.07 | Dagmar | So, with a couple of friends you could combine things to the point where everyone could just spam a macro that shuffles bars around and released incredible destructive power as a side-effect. :) Hah! |
| 03:30.11 | Kraps_ | IT EVEN CRASHES IN FUCKING SAFE MODE |
| 03:30.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Yay, almost done with this disk restore |
| 03:30.30 | Dagmar | Kraps: It's those fishnet mods you installed |
| 03:30.32 | Cruciformer | 6/4 02:20:59.090 SPELL_AURA_APPLIED,0x0480000000D902B8,"Fayfay",0x514,0x0480000002CB9298,"Dbzgt",0x512,48162,"Prayer of Fortitude",0x2,BUFF |
| 03:30.38 | Dagmar | The holes are evil. ;) |
| 03:30.48 | Cruciformer | TC: theres one wwhere caster and recipient are different. fayfay is the priest. |
| 03:32.35 | Thunder_Child | ah...now i just need someone to make it for me |
| 03:32.58 | Thunder_Child | like tekkub |
| 03:33.05 | tekkub | yes like tekkub |
| 03:33.06 | tekkub | what? |
| 03:33.14 | Cruciformer | looks to me like event, caster_guid, caster name,???,target_guid,target_name,??,spellid,spellname,type |
| 03:33.29 | Thunder_Child | make that addon for me tekkub |
| 03:33.34 | tekkub | no |
| 03:33.35 | tekkub | what addon |
| 03:33.52 | Thunder_Child | that inserts the casters name of a buff into the mouseover toottip of the buff |
| 03:34.00 | Kaelten | how was the weekend guys? |
| 03:34.11 | ScytheBlade1 | Kaelten: relaxing |
| 03:34.11 | tekkub | hrm... on yourself or other units? |
| 03:34.18 | Thunder_Child | yourself |
| 03:34.25 | tekkub | hrm... |
| 03:34.26 | Cruciformer | hey Kaelten ... was productive. |
| 03:34.26 | Thunder_Child | i want to see who does the AOE buffs tbh |
| 03:34.53 | tekkub | well it'll have to wait till I' back in CO probably |
| 03:34.58 | tekkub | but I kinda like the idear |
| 03:35.09 | Thunder_Child | see, i knew you would do it |
| 03:35.16 | Cruciformer | me too. if tekkub doesnt do it Ill give it a bash when the SK thing is done. |
| 03:35.24 | tekkub | can you get info on who cast on OTHER party/raid members? |
| 03:35.40 | tekkub | it might be need to just have a "who buffed" ldb datasource |
| 03:35.58 | Kaelten | that's cool, I've been out of town |
| 03:36.10 | Kaelten | 10 hours of driving sucks though |
| 03:36.17 | tekkub | alabama man! |
| 03:36.23 | tekkub | I'm in AR, huzzah |
| 03:36.28 | Kaelten | tekkub: lol |
| 03:36.29 | Dashkal | 10 hours, ugh. |
| 03:36.37 | Dashkal | I have issues after 6 or so |
| 03:36.39 | Kaelten | I was in NC, TN, and GA this weekend |
| 03:36.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: depends on the music you've got. Well, and the traffic |
| 03:36.46 | Kaelten | Dashkal, well it was 10h round trip |
| 03:36.58 | tekkub | sounds like loads of fun |
| 03:37.05 | Dashkal | ScytheBlade1: I start to get mental fatigue. I need someone to switch off with |
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| 03:37.30 | ScytheBlade1 | Dashkal: the trick is letting the mental fatigue setting in without actually zoning out ;) |
| 03:37.47 | Kaelten | tekkub: yeah I think you'd like asheville |
| 03:37.51 | Kaelten | it's a awesome town |
| 03:37.54 | Kaelten | lots of hippies |
| 03:38.03 | Kaelten | everyone is layed back |
| 03:38.05 | tekkub | hippies piss me off |
| 03:38.25 | Kaelten | lol |
| 03:38.35 | Cruciformer | tekkub: amen! I lived in santa cruz for 12 years. place was riddled with them. |
| 03:38.38 | Kaelten | I think it depends on the type of hippy personally |
| 03:38.49 | Kaelten | some are cool, some are a bit to in your face |
| 03:38.56 | Kaelten | it's like they want to be hippy because it's trendy |
| 03:38.58 | Dashkal | Meh, I have got to stop wasting so much time.... I ding 34. All I had to do was auction some stuff, train my inscription, and head back to dustwallow... took me an hour |
| 03:39.14 | Kaelten | Dashkal: auction mules |
| 03:39.18 | Kaelten | saves loads of time |
| 03:39.26 | tekkub | yea, smelly hippies are just plain annoying |
| 03:39.29 | bleeter | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:39.30 | Dashkal | I lack one on that server. But that wouldn't have saved the inscription and training crap |
| 03:39.38 | tekkub | whist yuppie hippies are the real idjuts |
| 03:39.42 | bleeter | if you're heading to train, may as well do the AH thing and save minimal postage |
| 03:40.01 | Kaelten | tekkub: yeah very. I don't get that vibe from the people in asheville though |
| 03:40.10 | bleeter | Dashkal: the one that pisses me off is heading in to the capital to see if the PvP daily is available... ARGHARGAHGRAHGRA |
| 03:40.15 | tekkub | they were just pothead hippies? |
| 03:40.18 | bleeter | mostly total waste of time |
| 03:40.27 | tekkub | those I can deal with, since my dad pretty much is one |
| 03:40.30 | Kaelten | everyone there is just who they are, and everyone's cool with that. |
| 03:40.31 | Dashkal | heh |
| 03:40.33 | bleeter | but... kinda beneficial. bit of honor, bit of XP |
| 03:40.41 | Dashkal | I swore off PvP entirely |
| 03:40.41 | bleeter | nice to get in the bank before MAXLEVEL |
| 03:40.58 | Kaelten | lot's of artists and music, and the people are very diverse |
| 03:41.00 | Dashkal | No battlegrounds, no wintergrasp, no flagging in the world. Pure carebear now |
| 03:41.20 | Dagmar | Meh. Just leave some deodorant sticks lying around. Problem solved. |
| 03:41.30 | bleeter | Dashkal: hehe, I've gone the other way.. I wanna go back to PvP realm bored with carebare.. but this instance crap etc. bah |
| 03:41.45 | Dagmar | C'mon now |
| 03:41.52 | Dagmar | Wintergrasp is more like Quake than PvP |
| 03:41.54 | Dashkal | I suffer from nerd rage when ganked. Hard to have fun when I'm ready to put a hole in my monitor |
| 03:42.18 | bleeter | Dashkal: ah, when I got ganked hard I'd just switch toons or servers |
| 03:42.20 | Kaelten | ~comfort Dashkal |
| 03:42.21 | purl | There, there, Dashkal. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 03:42.39 | Dashkal | heh, I just moved away. Problem solved. If I ever do get the itch, I can queue up or flag |
| 03:44.58 | Kaelten | hehe |
| 03:50.48 | Dashkal | weee, giant sea monster time |
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| 03:53.08 | tekkub | thank you limechat |
| 03:53.10 | tekkub | Thunder_Child: a thought |
| 03:53.12 | tekkub | reverse Cork... |
| 03:53.25 | tekkub | show what players havn't buffed if their class buff is missing form the raid.. |
| 03:53.37 | tekkub | and who cast the buffs that are up |
| 03:53.59 | Dagmar | Does it finger /point? THat would be cool. |
| 03:54.06 | Dagmar | "YOU THERE! /point BUFF MEH!" |
| 03:54.34 | tekkub | would only really need to check the player anyway... warriors will still get hit with the mage group buff |
| 03:54.41 | tekkub | I *might* add blame |
| 03:54.51 | tekkub | I tend to dislike those sorts of addons |
| 03:56.26 | Dagmar | Yeah but if people got used to them you could have some fun messing with rogues |
| 03:56.33 | Dagmar | POint 'em out and demand they buff you |
| 03:57.20 | tekkub | I did used to enjoy harassing pallies for BLessing of Agility |
| 03:57.31 | tekkub | "what the fuck are you talking about, there's an icon for it |
| 03:58.17 | tekkub | spell_holy_blessingofagility |
| 03:58.29 | ScytheBlade1 | lol |
| 04:02.00 | Thunder_Child | tekkub, well it would work for AOE and personal buffs but i dont know about single target buffs on other people |
| 04:02.55 | tekkub | well the thought being... show who cast what you have.. and who hasn't cast something you should have |
| 04:03.19 | tekkub | Missing: Fort (priestsname) |
| 04:03.30 | Thunder_Child | that assumes that there is only one person |
| 04:03.34 | Thunder_Child | who can cast it |
| 04:03.59 | Thunder_Child | that also assumes that i care *who* it is, i only care that it has not been cast |
| 04:07.07 | Shirik | ooo |
| 04:07.09 | Shirik | Message: ..\FrameXML\UIParent.lua line 2859: |
| 04:07.09 | Shirik | attempt to index local 'self' (a nil value) |
| 04:07.13 | Shirik | I broked blizzard code! |
| 04:07.50 | tekkub | see for the "blame" I'd like just say "I'm missing these buffs: [link][linklink] |
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| 04:08.55 | Thunder_Child | i think people are well versed in bitching about buffs as is, i am not sure we need to help them |
| 04:09.00 | Kraps | i cant deal with this |
| 04:09.12 | tekkub | yea |
| 04:09.28 | Kraps | downgraiding the graphics drivers didnt help |
| 04:09.48 | tekkub | that's why putting in blame is still something I'm not sure of |
| 04:10.33 | Thunder_Child | well tbh i would want the rest of it either, i already know what class can cast what buffs |
| 04:12.13 | tekkub | yea but then you wouldn't have to check the aid members to see that you don't have AI because there is no mage |
| 04:12.50 | tekkub | or try to figure out how many pallies there are vs how many auras/blessings you have |
| 04:15.12 | ZorbaTHut | raidbuffstatus does this sort of stuff |
| 04:15.23 | ZorbaTHut | I'm already using it in my guild so I can be annoyed at people failing to buff up :P |
| 04:15.43 | tekkub | yes zorbs, we know about it :P |
| 04:15.53 | Thunder_Child | the only reason i wanted it is because i wanted to see who was casting the same AOE buffs as me |
| 04:16.00 | Thunder_Child | to see who did it and who did ont |
| 04:16.01 | Thunder_Child | not* |
| 04:16.17 | ZorbaTHut | what's this theoretical plugin do differently? |
| 04:16.34 | Thunder_Child | say who did the casting? |
| 04:16.44 | tekkub | show what HAS been cast |
| 04:16.49 | tekkub | not just what's missing |
| 04:16.50 | kd3 | grr! |
| 04:16.50 | ZorbaTHut | ah |
| 04:16.51 | Shirik | so like |
| 04:16.54 | kd3 | work properly, lirc! |
| 04:16.59 | Shirik | is it supposed to be that, no matter what page you're on on the map |
| 04:17.05 | Shirik | you always see everyone's dots? |
| 04:17.15 | tekkub | Shirik: shut up and accept it |
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| 04:21.25 | ZorbaTHut | woot, my arbitrary 3d triangle rendering code works |
| 04:21.31 | ZorbaTHut | now I can write Tron in WoW |
| 04:21.40 | kd3 | ! |
| 04:21.53 | NightHawkTheSane | ... yes, that's exactly what we need |
| 04:22.06 | kd3 | tries to pick his jaw up off the floor |
| 04:22.08 | ZorbaTHut | I'm actually seriously considering trying to write an NES emulator in WoW, just for sheer hilarity |
| 04:22.16 | Thunder_Child | tekkub, what would really be cool if it could be done is to create "ghost" buffs that would show up with the other buffs and on mouseover would say who can cast it |
| 04:22.50 | Random | and then he said i dont got enough gold and then she said funny you told me you were rich and she left him |
| 04:25.36 | Thunder_Child | tekkub, and the cool thing is that regardless of the buff manipulation addon it will still dispal y the dame |
| 04:27.35 | Shirik | ZorbaTHut: Can I make a video driver to patch into your renderer? |
| 04:27.43 | Shirik | Then we could do 3D graphics |
| 04:27.51 | Shirik | I could port OpenGL to Lua |
| 04:27.52 | ZorbaTHut | shirik, I suspect that would violate the WoW EULA |
| 04:27.59 | Shirik | I meant in Lua |
| 04:28.15 | ZorbaTHut | the only interesting part about my code is that I'm doing it entirely in the WoW API ;) |
| 04:28.20 | ZorbaTHut | there's already Lua OpenGL bindings |
| 04:28.28 | Shirik | ... you are totally missing my point |
| 04:28.32 | Shirik | and thus have ruined the joke |
| 04:28.37 | kd3 | >.> |
| 04:28.38 | ZorbaTHut | apparently that is true |
| 04:28.40 | Shirik | p.s. a binding is not a port |
| 04:28.44 | ScytheBlade1 | We should harass Zoot to add the OpenGL bindings to wowlua |
| 04:29.12 | Shirik | I meant I want to write a Lua layer on top of your code so that I can create a 3d mesh, supply you the triangle coordinates |
| 04:29.19 | Shirik | and you render the triangles |
| 04:29.41 | Shirik | It would be epic |
| 04:29.43 | bleeter | Shirik: D3D bindings or death! ;) |
| 04:29.49 | Shirik | No fuck D3D |
| 04:29.52 | bleeter | lolol |
| 04:30.04 | bleeter | only said that to get a rise outta someone :P |
| 04:30.32 | Shirik | still I think that would be really cool |
| 04:30.40 | Shirik | and theoretically possible for anyone with a fast enough CPU |
| 04:30.46 | ZorbaTHut | yes, in theory that would be possible :) I might try it out at some point. there's difficulties, of course |
| 04:30.46 | Shirik | obviously the video card wouldn't be handling it |
| 04:30.57 | Shirik | !! |
| 04:30.59 | Shirik | I could make |
| 04:31.00 | Shirik | yes |
| 04:31.09 | ZorbaTHut | I can't do textures or anything beyond solid colors, and I'm not entirely sure if I can control triangle render order appropriately |
| 04:31.09 | Shirik | I should contact Blizzard about making special hardware for WoW |
| 04:31.20 | Shirik | to offload computations |
| 04:31.22 | Shirik | from Lua |
| 04:31.32 | Shirik | it could be its own mini-graphics card |
| 04:31.41 | kd3 | a lua card in the vein of a physics card or a network card? |
| 04:31.43 | kd3 | winces |
| 04:31.48 | ScytheBlade1 | ... |
| 04:32.07 | Shirik | it would be epic! |
| 04:32.08 | Shirik | And think |
| 04:32.11 | Shirik | how many people would buy it |
| 04:32.12 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 04:32.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Just stop |
| 04:32.14 | ScytheBlade1 | You |
| 04:32.15 | Shirik | even if it did absolutely nothing |
| 04:32.16 | ScytheBlade1 | That's about it |
| 04:32.29 | kd3 | somewhere between zero and none |
| 04:32.33 | Shirik | I disagree |
| 04:32.38 | Thunder_Child | see if you could program a lua enviornemt inside cuda? |
| 04:32.45 | ScytheBlade1 | I'm going to go with one |
| 04:33.36 | Shirik | there was some useless card manufactured a while ago |
| 04:33.38 | Shirik | that did literally nothing |
| 04:33.56 | Shirik | I know it did nothing because I traced the circuit from the graphics they placed online |
| 04:33.56 | ScytheBlade1 | This isn't going to be a cheap phyx joke is it? |
| 04:34.18 | Shirik | ? |
| 04:34.27 | kd3 | nifty. deluge is now running as a daemon. one less process running as me, though I have a firefox tab now instead of an icon in the tray |
| 04:34.55 | Arrowmaster | whats it running as if its not running as you? |
| 04:35.03 | Thunder_Child | Shirik, physics processing cards |
| 04:35.14 | Thunder_Child | special ones to take the load off of the gpu |
| 04:35.17 | kd3 | the 'torrent' user |
| 04:35.26 | Thunder_Child | you know...whats integrated into them now |
| 04:35.30 | Shirik | http://gizmodo.com/5019319/the-his-iclear-card-solves-your-noisy-video-card-problems-im-confused |
| 04:35.31 | Shirik | There we are |
| 04:35.51 | Shirik | a bunch of capacitors which aren't even connected to anything |
| 04:36.16 | kd3 | gah... why the hell does firefox have langpacks installed for languages I'm never going to use? |
| 04:37.19 | Thunder_Child | because it doesn not know you are going to use it |
| 04:37.21 | Shirik | however, I do love the response |
| 04:37.23 | Shirik | http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2008/06/24/boing-boing-gadgets.html |
| 04:38.07 | kd3 | lmao |
| 04:41.35 | End | remove the capacitors? |
| 04:41.45 | End | will I be shocked by the result, or by the electrical charge? |
| 04:41.56 | kd3 | I'd go with both |
| 04:42.09 | Wobin | lmao @ xkcd |
| 04:42.32 | kd3 | ahahahaha |
| 04:44.01 | Wobin | crai |
| 04:44.12 | Wobin | I now have that song stuck in my head |
| 04:44.47 | kd3 | good job |
| 04:44.56 | kd3 | goes back to singing some random jpop trying to get out of his head too |
| 04:45.12 | Tem | this should fix it for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQUaEF2bJZ0 |
| 04:47.23 | Tem | and while we're in 2007 |
| 04:47.38 | Tem | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI |
| 04:48.33 | bleeter | I totally forgot I had op in #pidgin.. there's a good three years worth of missed opportunity there :'( |
| 04:54.44 | Tem | http://futuremark.yougamers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23914 |
| 05:00.14 | Corrodias | lols @ tem |
| 05:02.44 | bleeter | anyone used Lamson here? |
| 05:11.32 | Shirik | bleeter |
| 05:11.35 | Shirik | even I knew that |
| 05:11.39 | Shirik | how did you not? |
| 05:12.17 | bleeter | Shirik: I /part'd #pidgin and forgot.. and we don't have enough idiots /join #guifications for me to have to weild my powers that often :P |
| 05:12.45 | Shirik | oh it's probably #guifications that I was thinking of |
| 05:13.13 | Shirik | so can I go join #pidgin and complain about how it sucks? |
| 05:13.38 | bleeter | Shirik: if you think anyone in there would give a damn about what you think, I guess so :P |
| 05:13.51 | Shirik | it was more trolling than anything else |
| 05:13.57 | bleeter | they're probably just likely to nid and agree with you |
| 05:14.00 | bleeter | nod |
| 05:14.06 | Shirik | say something like "why not just use mirc" |
| 05:14.22 | bleeter | something like? |
| 05:14.38 | bleeter | as in... "I was trying to connect to mIRC using port 6667" |
| 05:15.59 | Shirik | yah |
| 05:16.02 | Shirik | lol |
| 05:16.50 | Shirik | CINCINNATI -- A local man is accused of drawing a large picture of the male anatomy on the screen of a pricey plasma television inside a Colerain Township Sears store. |
| 05:17.01 | Shirik | http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story/Mans-Alleged-Organ-Artistry-On-TV-Brings-Charge/qrm-wmojYUqqpHHeKaaaeg.cspx |
| 05:17.12 | Shirik | I like how PC they tried to be |
| 05:17.29 | Shirik | "the male anatomy" |
| 05:18.05 | Corrodias | is that ray romano? |
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| 05:18.23 | bleeter | 'motive is not yet known'... somehow I doubt the guy really wants to know what his motive was either ;) |
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| 05:29.17 | Shirik | I'll show you a motive |
| 05:29.32 | End | I don't want to see your motive |
| 05:36.14 | bleeter | runs around installing McAfee on random PCs |
| 05:36.33 | Cairenn | ~shoot bleeter |
| 05:36.33 | purl | ACTION shoots bleeter in the ear with a phase pistol! |
| 05:37.01 | bleeter | :'( |
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| 05:46.20 | Shirik | bleeter: I promise |
| 05:46.27 | Shirik | McAfee is nowhere near as bad as what I'm using at work |
| 05:46.38 | Shirik | we use this thing called LANDesk and it is absolutely horrid |
| 05:47.01 | Shirik | And my favorite part |
| 05:47.09 | Shirik | it spawns a new process for every core you have on your computer |
| 05:47.13 | Shirik | which would be OK |
| 05:47.29 | Shirik | except each process takes about 100 MB of memory, minimum, and I have 8 cores |
| 05:47.36 | sacarasc | Nice. |
| 05:47.43 | Nafe|sleep | ! |
| 05:48.14 | Shirik | The other cool part is it really hates debuggers |
| 05:48.34 | Shirik | Stepping through code is a nightmare, it slows it down to hell |
| 05:48.46 | End | hm |
| 05:48.48 | End | it's raining |
| 05:48.48 | Shirik | VS actually reported back once that my application appeared to be deadlocked during a step |
| 05:48.50 | End | RAINING |
| 05:48.51 | bleeter | haha |
| 05:48.58 | Shirik | and all it was was stepping over like a++ or something |
| 05:49.05 | Aqua | i want to kill visual studio right now |
| 05:49.10 | bleeter | Shirik: well that certainly made up for Cairenn's mindless violence! |
| 05:49.13 | Shirik | Visual Studio is a great product |
| 05:49.45 | Aqua | mine keeps resetting my windows settings |
| 05:49.52 | Shirik | wha? |
| 05:50.10 | Aqua | i get it set how i want (where toolbox, solution explorer is ) i close it |
| 05:50.14 | Aqua | and its back to defaults |
| 05:50.22 | Aqua | its a permissin thing somewhere, but hell if i know |
| 05:50.25 | Shirik | 2008? |
| 05:50.27 | Aqua | yea |
| 05:50.58 | Shirik | well it don't matter |
| 05:51.04 | Shirik | solution explorer's default location is great |
| 05:51.10 | Shirik | it's obviously telling you not to move it |
| 05:51.19 | Aqua | yea, but i hate where toolbox and properties are at... |
| 05:52.18 | Aqua | i like them on my second monitor... |
| 05:53.56 | drfuzzykins | oh snap, sourceforge got sexy while I had my back turned |
| 05:55.33 | Aqua | i've done this like a million times today, opened my program, checked something, forgot to close and then tried to compile again... and it errors |
| 05:56.07 | drfuzzykins | in Visual Studio? |
| 05:56.21 | Aqua | yea, its because i forgot to close the version i had open before i recompiled |
| 05:56.54 | drfuzzykins | just tried to get into a Debug > do stuff > Stop habit |
| 05:56.58 | drfuzzykins | *tried = try |
| 05:57.25 | Aqua | i tend to start without debugging though is my problem |
| 05:57.41 | drfuzzykins | never do that when you're coding imo |
| 05:57.53 | Aqua | old habit from the console days |
| 05:57.56 | drfuzzykins | some odd exception might happen and you'll be able to walk around and figure out why |
| 05:58.22 | Aqua | if you do a console app like that, and it doesn't error, it just autocloses |
| 05:58.25 | Aqua | and you can't see your output |
| 05:59.02 | drfuzzykins | I believe you can stop it from doing that in the options somewhere |
| 05:59.04 | drfuzzykins | what language? |
| 05:59.30 | Aqua | C# or C++ both, I think your right but i don't remember off hand, bonked my head a few times since i did this stuff last |
| 06:00.12 | drfuzzykins | you can always slap a Console.ReadKey() at the end of your entry point method as a quick fix when you're debugging |
| 06:00.20 | drfuzzykins | or throw a breakpoint on the closing brace |
| 06:00.31 | Aqua | breakpoint is a good idea, thanks for the tip |
| 06:03.45 | Arrowmaster | drfuzzykins: i guess they finally realized the previous design was the worst ever and everybody hated it, although its not like theres still anybody using sourceforge |
| 06:04.09 | drfuzzykins | yeah sourceforge is a bit dated, but at least they don't look dated anymore! |
| 06:04.34 | drfuzzykins | I got linked directly to a project and I was like "Oh god not another development si--WTF SOURCEFORGE?" |
| 06:05.52 | *** join/#wowuidev vithos (i=vith@unaffiliated/vithos) |
| 06:06.50 | Arrowmaster | i find it funny one of the top5 under security hasnt been updated since 2005 |
| 06:07.02 | Torhal | Funny? |
| 06:07.03 | Torhal | Absurd. |
| 06:07.47 | Arrowmaster | yeah im sure theres some recent advances that could improve ettercap |
| 06:07.51 | Arrowmaster | it is absurd |
| 06:07.53 | End | what. wow |
| 06:07.57 | End | sourceforge looks |
| 06:07.58 | End | uh |
| 06:08.03 | End | not like sourceforge |
| 06:08.04 | Cairenn | yeah really! |
| 06:08.09 | Arrowmaster | better than the previous crap? |
| 06:08.10 | Cairenn | I just looked myself, and yeah |
| 06:08.16 | Cairenn | quite the change |
| 06:08.18 | drfuzzykins | they've always been so ugly, it's hard to believe it's sourceforge |
| 06:09.11 | drfuzzykins | not like everyone hasn't moved to other, more specific sites like github, bitbucket, rubyforge, codeplex, etc. |
| 06:09.32 | Torhal | That's probably one of their motivators for the facelift |
| 06:09.33 | Arrowmaster | sf wiki seems broken |
| 06:09.39 | Torhal | It's shiny - people will flock ZOMG! |
| 06:10.05 | drfuzzykins | honestly one of my major reasons for disliking many services like sourceforge is that they're ugly |
| 06:10.12 | Torhal | I can't remember the last time I checked FreshMeat for anything either. |
| 06:10.23 | bleeter | to be a bit more colourful than one of my associates in a certain PG #, it looks stupider than the piece of shit they previously had |
| 06:10.25 | drfuzzykins | I put all my stuff on my own Redmine site because most of the other options are ugly |
| 06:11.16 | *** join/#wowuidev Fisker (i=ballmer@62.61.142.209.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk) |
| 06:11.29 | drfuzzykins | I think the design is nice, I'm not sure it works as an open source project hosting site |
| 06:11.59 | Arrowmaster | well sourceforge and all of fsdn still seem to be living in the past with only openid 1.0 support |
| 06:12.04 | drfuzzykins | looking at it, it doesn't feel serious |
| 06:12.30 | bleeter | drfuzzykins: sf.net ain't been serious since ~1997 |
| 06:12.33 | drfuzzykins | :P |
| 06:12.47 | drfuzzykins | I mean it's almost whimsical, like it would insult my code to be hosted with such a design |
| 06:12.52 | Arrowmaster | actually i take that back its not 1.0 support either since it can use yahoo openids, so its a bastardization of incomplete openid 2.0 |
| 06:12.53 | bleeter | ~1999 |
| 06:13.27 | bleeter | Arrowmaster: welcome to the joy that is OpenID's main failing (people having whack implementations) |
| 06:13.41 | Arrowmaster | i know this very well |
| 06:14.03 | Arrowmaster | i cant use my i-name at most sites that support openid |
| 06:14.28 | drfuzzykins | I'm going to be developing a site with OpenID support soon, I'll make sure to pay extra close attention to it just for you |
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| 07:05.22 | Fisker | rages |
| 07:05.55 | Torhal | Fisker: Not enough rage. |
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| 07:08.00 | Fisker | haste |
| 07:08.41 | bleeter | local story about the proposed Aussie Internet FIlter and how it'll mess with WoW/2nd Life -> http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2009/07/06/82815_lifestyle.html |
| 07:09.55 | Fisker | !care(); |
| 07:10.22 | bleeter | ooh, also covers how the propsed law would actually outright ban WoW in .au |
| 07:10.50 | bleeter | rather than just force it to be filtered |
| 07:10.51 | bleeter | hehehe |
| 07:11.42 | Lukian | 9 internet servers? fail. |
| 07:11.48 | Lukian | probably 9 ISPs. |
| 07:12.15 | Lukian | Aim: Fight, survive and prosper in the fantasy world, which has two factions, eight races, nine classes and nine professions across three continents and a separate planet. <- oops? |
| 07:12.23 | bleeter | Lukian: yeah, that's 9 ISP's |
| 07:12.45 | Lukian | Australian journalists are bad :( |
| 07:12.51 | bleeter | d/Australian/ |
| 07:13.22 | Lukian | haha true |
| 07:13.23 | Thunder_Child | outlands is a pocket dimension |
| 07:13.31 | Thunder_Child | it could be another planet |
| 07:13.44 | Fisker | it is another planet |
| 07:13.47 | Fisker | or atleast was |
| 07:15.05 | Lukian | they mentioned both expansions but missed the 10th class. |
| 07:15.35 | Fisker | but the death knight isn't a class! |
| 07:15.47 | Lukian | it's a hero.. class. |
| 07:16.08 | Fisker | indeed |
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| 07:36.21 | Aqua | deathknights aren't hero's they are the new huntards |
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| 07:53.44 | ReAn | lol Aqua |
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| 08:00.00 | bleeter | bwhahahaha http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/06/2617999.htm |
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| 08:16.32 | Industrial | I need a shooter game to vent some agression, any suggestions? |
| 08:16.56 | Arrowmaster | online or just a shooter? |
| 08:16.59 | Industrial | no tactical stuff like rainbow 6 where its just looking around corners, clicking on a head and hiding again |
| 08:17.09 | Lukian | Painkiller |
| 08:17.16 | Arrowmaster | oh thats a good one |
| 08:17.17 | Industrial | Arrowmaster: dont mind either |
| 08:17.37 | Thunder_Child | serious sam was the most straight forward killing game i have ever played |
| 08:17.43 | Thunder_Child | very doom similar |
| 08:17.53 | Lukian | Painkiller :> |
| 08:20.48 | Industrial | what was the game called with the V.A.T.S system again (only thing I remember), biosomething? :S |
| 08:20.57 | Industrial | its an rpgish thing |
| 08:21.00 | Arrowmaster | fallout |
| 08:21.03 | Industrial | yeah |
| 08:21.12 | Thunder_Child | bio something my ass |
| 08:21.22 | Industrial | :P |
| 08:21.27 | Industrial | poof \:D/ http://torrentz.com/1494aa4bc9d653dfda3c6a0aacc5442c8da50495 |
| 08:21.30 | Arrowmaster | fallout3 is fpsrpg, fallout 1 and 2 are isorpg |
| 08:22.11 | Wobin | ugh |
| 08:22.17 | Wobin | "Write a pseudocode atoi function" |
| 08:22.23 | Wobin | wrrryyyy? |
| 08:23.19 | Industrial | I only played fallout for a little while before I trashed it, I didnt know that the VATS system existed so I was like "I'm aiming for your head, die already, retarded game" |
| 08:23.49 | Industrial | got up until the part where you enter some radio tower |
| 08:24.04 | Arrowmaster | i didnt even get that far in the main quest |
| 08:24.11 | Arrowmaster | but i did a lot of side quests |
| 08:24.30 | Arrowmaster | including a personal quest of getting to rivit city at lvl2 to get the +int bobble |
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| 08:31.25 | bleeter | http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/06/2618084.htm |
| 08:34.54 | Fisker | reported Industrial |
| 08:37.57 | Wobin | bleeter: ).) |
| 08:38.00 | Wobin | er |
| 08:38.02 | Wobin | O.O |
| 08:38.13 | bleeter | Wobin: TEH SHOES MADE ME DO EEET! |
| 08:38.16 | Wobin | "I was trying to leave the street" |
| 08:38.21 | Wobin | WHILE STILL IN THE CAR |
| 08:38.29 | bleeter | Wobin: is it just me, or are lame excuses getting lamer? |
| 08:38.42 | Wobin | that's not even an excuse |
| 08:38.57 | Wobin | Her next defense will be to blame it on the boogie. |
| 08:39.03 | bleeter | so.. that's a YES from Wobin |
| 08:39.12 | bleeter | mm I might try that if I ever get the chance |
| 08:41.15 | Wobin | interesting: http://hdtvlag.googlepages.com/home |
| 08:42.16 | Fisker | no u |
| 08:46.04 | Industrial | thats ok Fisker, I'm not using it for profit |
| 08:46.12 | Industrial | \:D/ |
| 08:46.21 | Fisker | nahuh |
| 08:46.38 | Fisker | also your face can't be like that |
| 08:46.39 | Fisker | :( |
| 08:46.46 | Industrial | is so going to vote for piratenpartij when they set themselves up in the netherlands |
| 08:46.59 | Industrial | yes it can want me to take a picture? |
| 08:47.28 | Grum | Wobin: dang that is indeed worthwhile knowing |
| 08:47.58 | Fisker | BLAAAARGH |
| 08:48.05 | Fisker | i hate news |
| 08:48.34 | Fisker | "ZOMG selling refurbished electronics is new!1" |
| 08:48.40 | Fisker | rages |
| 08:48.50 | Grum | pulls the plug from Fisker. |
| 08:49.15 | Fisker | i cannot be stopped Grum |
| 08:49.35 | Grum | disenchants Fisker |
| 08:50.32 | Industrial | http://images.gammatester.com/pics/1c427fd41e8140baf42bc451d7eaec27.jpg |
| 08:50.36 | Fisker | I cannot be disenchanted |
| 08:50.36 | Industrial | Fisker: make me into a meme, go! |
| 08:50.51 | Fisker | post it on 4chan 50000 times |
| 08:51.28 | Fisker | FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUU- |
| 08:51.31 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: its well known that lcds have a delay compared to crts, but if this guy is blaming it on the image scalers and such (thats not the main cause) then why the hell didnt he use a component cable instead of a 480i connection |
| 08:51.34 | Fisker | Oh well it was nice knowing you |
| 08:51.43 | Thunder_Child | you are supposed to hanf yourself from the neck Industrial, not the wrists |
| 08:51.44 | Fisker | CP on the first page of 4chan |
| 08:51.46 | Fisker | = jailtime |
| 08:51.47 | Fisker | bai |
| 08:51.53 | Thunder_Child | s/hanf/hang/ |
| 08:51.55 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: I guess cause he wants HD? =) |
| 08:52.03 | Wobin | I'm not sure of the real mechanics behind it all |
| 08:52.38 | Industrial | Thunder_Child: its a \:D/ |
| 08:52.59 | Fisker | SMILEYS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY GOOD NIGHT |
| 08:53.04 | Industrial | why shuld I hang myself, I'm a happy person :( |
| 08:53.07 | Thunder_Child | Industrial, no. it's a retard |
| 08:53.10 | Arrowmaster | Wobin: i play GH using my dell 2001fp without any lag adjustments set ingame, 2001fp is a pre overdrive lcd |
| 08:53.39 | Fisker | i don't play GH i'm not a retard |
| 08:53.40 | Fisker | :3 |
| 08:53.42 | Fisker | no lag either |
| 08:53.54 | Industrial | you are a Fisker, nuff said |
| 08:54.21 | Grum | you have lag in your head Fisker |
| 08:54.24 | Thunder_Child | heh, not even *the* Fisker, but 'a' fisker |
| 08:54.30 | Fisker | You guys would buy air-guitar hero |
| 08:54.34 | Grum | eventhough you cannot notice it yourself, it is apparent to the whole world |
| 08:54.36 | Fisker | that's how stupid guitar hero fans are |
| 08:54.40 | Fisker | bam |
| 08:55.26 | Industrial | enough sillyness! im out |
| 08:55.48 | Fisker | puts a copy of air-guitar hero up on ebay |
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| 09:04.36 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.wowhead.com/?npc=33286 haha |
| 09:04.37 | ZorbaTHut | oh, wowhead |
| 09:05.02 | ZorbaTHut | when will you learn to place NPCs appropriately |
| 09:05.47 | Spellbinder | you sure they doesn't move around? |
| 09:05.52 | Spellbinder | have a route? |
| 09:06.34 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: isnt that spawned by the human AD minipet? |
| 09:07.20 | Spellbinder | and yeah spawn time etc |
| 09:07.30 | ZorbaTHut | spellbinder, I'm pretty sure they don't have a route through Dalaran, Ironforge, Icecrown, and Ulduar |
| 09:07.48 | Spellbinder | ah |
| 09:07.56 | Arrowmaster | ZorbaTHut: go read the comments for elwynn lamb |
| 09:08.04 | ZorbaTHut | but yeah, I guess it's the elwynn lamb eater, didn't notice that comment. I thought it was a pet :D |
| 09:11.20 | Spellbinder | :) |
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| 09:19.24 | Fisker | ownt |
| 09:20.11 | Spellbinder | he |
| 09:25.05 | Grum | poor lamb :( |
| 09:28.21 | Industrial | mmm shoarma |
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| 10:49.46 | ZorbaTHut | it's always nice when you upgrade to a piece of equipment which is a strict upgrade |
| 10:49.52 | ZorbaTHut | vendors it instead of tossing it in his bank *just in case* |
| 10:56.18 | Kalroth | Yeah, I hate having to clean up every 2 months or so - so much old stuff that I might use, but never do |
| 10:58.14 | Industrial | http://kuvaton.com/bshit/124397173930.jpg |
| 10:58.21 | Industrial | suzumiya haruhi, amirite? |
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| 11:08.19 | Arrowmaster | Industrial: fuck i think your right |
| 11:15.25 | Ycarene | That's what I thought too, I'm not sure how to take that... |
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| 11:34.45 | Fisker | xkcd is awesome once again |
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| 11:49.54 | Arrowmaster | oh shit, im atempted to get a cali phone number for google voice even though i live in ohio |
| 11:49.59 | Arrowmaster | i found a great number |
| 11:50.40 | airtonix | eleventytwelvtyoneonefour? |
| 11:50.55 | Arrowmaster | 276-6786 |
| 11:51.00 | Arrowmaster | ARO-MSTR |
| 11:51.17 | Arrowmaster | 276-6787 |
| 11:51.22 | airtonix | "so pabs, how many precious things do we have?" pabs: "uhhh, TWELVTY!" |
| 11:51.49 | airtonix | [looking proud] "good we haven't sold a thing" |
| 11:51.53 | amro | 0118 999 881 999 119 7253 |
| 11:52.13 | jnwhiteh | i have JOY-TOWN |
| 11:52.15 | jnwhiteh | its awesome |
| 11:52.29 | airtonix | emo-slash |
| 11:52.50 | Fisker | YOU-SUCK |
| 11:52.51 | Fisker | i want that |
| 11:52.57 | airtonix | but we know |
| 11:54.04 | amro | stupid international release dates :( |
| 11:55.19 | airtonix | does this image show that your voice-calls are turned into text ? http://www.google.com/googlevoice/images/screen-voicemail.jpg |
| 11:55.31 | Arrowmaster | voice mail is |
| 11:55.35 | jnwhiteh | EMO-CUTS |
| 11:55.49 | airtonix | feet-spikes |
| 11:55.58 | airtonix | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:56.33 | Fisker | google sucks |
| 11:59.02 | ZorbaTHut | kalroth, and then the one time you throw something away, you wish you still had it |
| 11:59.46 | Grum | airtonix: it has a [ |> M:SS ] thingie that makes it appear as if it would play the text |
| 11:59.46 | Fisker | http://h.imagehost.org/view/0437/feast2 <-lol fucking epic |
| 12:00.23 | Grum | hmm i have some of a fool who plastered the SW AH room with feasts as well :) |
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| 12:17.02 | Fisker | slaps Grum around a bit with a large trout |
| 12:27.11 | Wobin | Arrowmaster: I'd read that abbreviation as "ARROW MONSTER" |
| 12:27.23 | Arrowmaster | great some stupid javascript has locked up my browser |
| 12:28.06 | Wobin | jnwhiteh: -why- do you have JOY-TOWN? =P |
| 12:28.11 | jnwhiteh | cause |
| 12:28.15 | jnwhiteh | it got randomly assigned to me |
| 12:28.39 | Arrowmaster | i hate my current cell phone number, it ends in 3456 |
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| 12:31.01 | laeg | have macros started automagically removing lines that it can't make sense of? |
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| 13:10.55 | jnwhiteh | opinions on which of these panoramics we like? |
| 13:10.55 | jnwhiteh | http://www.flickr.com/photos/67022664@N00/sets/72157621036436510/ |
| 13:11.03 | jnwhiteh | I know they're less than stellar, but trying to figure out which ones we like |
| 13:13.41 | Lopeppeppy | I enjoy #2 and #7 |
| 13:14.00 | Lopeppeppy | The crack in the rock in the foreground of #2 provides a pull into the picture. |
| 13:14.28 | Lopeppeppy | 7 is just entirely different from the other 6 in perspective. |
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| 13:19.59 | Torhal | Fisker: I wish you had a soul to sell. |
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| 13:39.20 | jnwhiteh | yeah those are the two I liked, thanks =) |
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| 13:42.07 | Kraps | The Internet is a telephone system that's gotten uppity. - Clifford Stoll |
| 13:42.08 | mikma | torhal: i got a job for you |
| 13:42.18 | mikma | torhal: code a spell-alert addon for jnwhiteh and me ;) |
| 13:42.29 | mikma | torhal: not witchhunt, but a pvp-alert! |
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| 13:43.03 | Torhal | rubs his eyes and makes a face. |
| 13:43.06 | Torhal | Bwah? |
| 13:44.13 | mikma | heh |
| 13:44.31 | mikma | http://wow.reaktio.net/trackedspells.lua |
| 13:44.54 | mikma | all the nasty pvp-buffs gathered ^^ |
| 13:46.37 | Kalroth | if UnitFactionGroup("player") == "Alliance" then faction = "Horde" else faction = "Alliance" end |
| 13:46.39 | Kalroth | wat |
| 13:46.51 | Torhal | mikma: I are still asleep. Wut? |
| 13:46.56 | mikma | it's the "opposite faction" check that's commented in the onUpdate atm |
| 13:46.57 | Aelobin | anyone got a screeny of that Mind Amplification Dish tinker yet from PTR? :P |
| 13:47.20 | mikma | torhal: lol wut ;) |
| 13:47.28 | Torhal | ~seen tristanian |
| 13:47.30 | purl | tristanian <n=Tristani@cpe-77-83-226-244-dsl.netone.gr> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 2d 14h 33m 20s ago, saying: 'if you are reffering to the addon itself, its issues are stated clearly in the thread'. |
| 13:47.51 | Kalroth | mikma: ah, so just bad naming of the variable |
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| 13:48.26 | mikma | kalroth: i know, since it's 1:1 copypaste from my hack :D |
| 13:48.38 | Torhal | mikma: local faction = (UnitFactionGroup("player") == "Alliance") and "Horde" or "Alliance" |
| 13:48.48 | Torhal | Bwip. |
| 13:48.55 | Kalroth | lol |
| 13:49.04 | Kalroth | Torhal: scroll up! |
| 13:49.21 | Torhal | Feh |
| 13:49.27 | Torhal | I are asleep. |
| 13:49.39 | Kalroth | no sleep irc'ing |
| 13:49.46 | Torhal | Fisker: Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu |
| 13:49.49 | Torhal | :S |
| 13:50.37 | Torhal | mikma: So...Elkano added his own implementation of LibQTipClick directly to LibQTip, and now Tristanian is calling it Tablet 3.0 |
| 13:50.43 | Torhal | dances around. |
| 13:51.54 | Aelobin | if epic mount is 100%, and normal 60%, what's walking speed? :P |
| 13:52.06 | Torhal | 100% |
| 13:52.08 | mikma | torhal: is that a good thing, or a bad thing? |
| 13:52.13 | Torhal | You add to it with the mounts. |
| 13:52.22 | Aelobin | ah yeh |
| 13:52.28 | Aelobin | so it's 200/160/100 |
| 13:52.44 | nevcairiel | walking is half the speed of being mounted on epic, to be precise =p |
| 13:52.45 | Grum | walking speed is 7 yards per second |
| 13:52.49 | krka | walking speed is like 30% of running speed i think |
| 13:52.54 | Kraps | fisker is a moderator on mmo champ? |
| 13:52.58 | krka | running is like 7.6 yards/second |
| 13:53.01 | Grum | euuh running speed is 7 yards per second ;) |
| 13:53.06 | Aelobin | lol |
| 13:53.11 | Torhal | mikma: He's saying that Elkano bloated it, when in reality it's currently 1/3 the size of Tablet-2.0 and the click implementation is smaller that LibQTipClick and has less overhead since it's directly in the lib |
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| 13:53.56 | mikma | torhal: is that a good thing, or a bad thing? :D |
| 13:54.10 | Torhal | mikma: I'm still asleep. |
| 13:54.28 | Torhal | mikma: But you use LQT a bit so figured I'd throw the latest drama your way. |
| 13:54.30 | mikma | torhal: needs more buttsecks |
| 13:54.49 | Torhal | mikma: Tristanian, LibQTip, or you? |
| 13:55.02 | mikma | torhal: the ones you mentioned, + you |
| 13:55.17 | Torhal | mikma: No buttsecks for me. |
| 13:57.09 | Elkano | none for me, either |
| 13:58.07 | mikma | that means twice the buttsecks for you two |
| 14:00.19 | Lopeppeppy | I can only use .jpg for this application? That's stupid. *sigh* |
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| 14:05.22 | Torhal | mikma: You're determined do be evil, I'll give you that. |
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| 14:09.07 | mikma | torhal: yeah :D didn't sleep that well last night and here's the result! |
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| 14:17.17 | jnwhiteh | Can I not runeforge an heirloom weapon? |
| 14:17.37 | jnwhiteh | I get "Target i stoo low level" |
| 14:17.42 | Fisker | It's item level 1 |
| 14:17.46 | Fisker | But i thougth they fixed that |
| 14:17.49 | Fisker | thought* |
| 14:17.58 | jnwhiteh | >< |
| 14:18.06 | Fisker | When they made the changes to enchants requiring character level for them to work |
| 14:18.16 | Fisker | i thought that was supposed to make heirloom enchanting possible |
| 14:18.18 | Fisker | but i guess not |
| 14:18.35 | jnwhiteh | boo |
| 14:19.44 | nicoli_s | so i got to play wii sports 2 |
| 14:21.33 | Fisker | wii sucks |
| 14:21.42 | nicoli_s | nuhuh |
| 14:21.49 | Fisker | trolled |
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| 15:14.43 | Nafe | Fisker: the enchant level requirements were made because some enchants were possible that Blizzard didn't want twinks to have. I guess primarily, one of them was the bugged Greater Inscription of the Gladiator: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=44957#comments |
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| 15:15.29 | Cruciformer | Adys: You there sir? |
| 15:15.37 | Nafe | I wish they applied the same concept to allowing enchants to work for heirloom items =\ |
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| 15:17.47 | Shirik | nicoli_s: ping |
| 15:17.59 | nicoli_s | yes? |
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| 15:19.07 | Shirik | how good are you with queries :) |
| 15:19.15 | Shirik | want to tell me why I'm getting this error? |
| 15:19.21 | nicoli_s | sql? pretty good, and sure |
| 15:19.30 | Shirik | no, sorry, C# queries |
| 15:20.02 | nicoli_s | never worked with em, sorry :( |
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| 15:20.19 | Shirik | I figured it out actually, nm :) |
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| 15:20.51 | Fisker | no you didn't Shirik |
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| 15:49.56 | Arrowmaster | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjMqki5EGKQ |
| 15:50.31 | Arrowmaster | why the hell was activision blizzard stupid enough to drop this and let ea pick it up? |
| 15:50.51 | cog|work | Fisker: it's "no you di'int" ... duh! |
| 15:50.55 | nicoli_s | who knows, but that game looks badass |
| 15:51.11 | Arrowmaster | it does |
| 15:51.23 | Arrowmaster | and that walkthrough video is great, especially the 2nd half |
| 15:53.25 | Cruciformer | jnwhiteh: Is wowoprogramming.com undergoing maint? Its not loading for me. |
| 15:53.30 | nicoli_s | the guy who made it usually makes good games |
| 15:53.31 | jnwhiteh | shoudln't be |
| 15:53.40 | jnwhiteh | loads fien for me. |
| 15:53.43 | Cruciformer | nvm it just came back took about 2 mins to load the first page tho. |
| 15:53.50 | tem|work | loads fien for me too |
| 15:53.54 | Cruciformer | maybe a temp dns glitch on my end |
| 15:54.14 | Cruciformer | yeah its responsive now. |
| 15:54.49 | tem|work | PROPOSITION 9: The spelling of the word "fine" is henceforth changed to "fien." |
| 15:55.04 | tem|work | All in favor? |
| 15:55.09 | Cruciformer | aye |
| 15:55.37 | Cruciformer | tem: PROP 9a. The word "the" is henceforce alternatively spelled as "teh" |
| 15:56.43 | Lopeppeppy | Silly monkeys. :) |
| 15:57.00 | tem|work | "teh" is another word altogether imo |
| 15:57.10 | tem|work | it has a different pronounciation |
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| 15:57.41 | tem|work | Lopeppeppy: I can't help it. It's monday and I'm soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooored |
| 15:58.53 | Cruciformer | My excuse is I live in africa and therefore, I have monkeys in my back yard, dont you know :P |
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| 16:01.26 | Cruciformer | WTB live Adys |
| 16:01.29 | Aelobin_ | bit of a stupid question, but what are the epic gems going for on the PTR AH? |
| 16:01.52 | Cruciformer | Aelobin_: Knowing PTR madness, I would guess stupid amounts |
| 16:02.04 | Aelobin_ | aye that's what i thought |
| 16:06.12 | Kraps_ | lulz i just read a terrible story called teenage mermaid |
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| 16:18.18 | Kraps_ | does anyone here understand the t9 qq? i dont |
| 16:18.35 | nevcairiel | the looks or the stats qq? |
| 16:18.40 | Kraps_ | looks |
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| 16:18.50 | nevcairiel | apparently its "too boring" |
| 16:18.54 | nevcairiel | not innovative enough |
| 16:18.55 | nevcairiel | etc: P |
| 16:19.02 | Cruciformer | Kraps_: you mean beyonf the fact that there is a world fullof malcontents that look for any opportunity to bitch and complain? |
| 16:19.31 | Cruciformer | likes the word "malcontent" |
| 16:19.47 | Kraps_ | Cruciformer: this qq is 10x louder than the "NR gear is bland" |
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| 16:20.38 | Cruciformer | Maybe its just me and I am a-typically male in that I am not that visually oriented but the look of armor concerns me about as much as the welfare of an ant in the middle of the sahara does. |
| 16:20.47 | durcyn | t9's beautiful compared, to, say, t2.5 |
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| 16:22.00 | Kraps_ | "This patch is about the Argent Crusade. Not you. You are a soldier in the Argent Crusade. You wear the armor they provide. " |
| 16:24.08 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 16:30.38 | ZorbaTHut | kraps, people want each class to look different, and fundamentally, they don't |
| 16:31.17 | Fisker | i want your mom ZorbaTHut |
| 16:31.18 | Fisker | ;3 |
| 16:31.23 | ZorbaTHut | that's really what it comes down to. druids are used to wearing druidy armor, rogues are used to wearing roguey armor, and now they both wear leathery armor |
| 16:31.42 | nevcairiel | they both wear alliance-leathery-armor, at least =P |
| 16:31.43 | Fisker | But feral druids are feral |
| 16:32.01 | nevcairiel | Anyway, gear already overlapped alot style-wise on the non-set items, who cares |
| 16:32.15 | ZorbaTHut | people feel like the set items are more iconic, in a way |
| 16:32.40 | ZorbaTHut | if you're in full T-whatever, you generally look distinct and awesome. |
| 16:32.57 | Fisker | I hate looking like some kind of shaman |
| 16:33.14 | nicoli_s | set items have gotten ridiculous lately |
| 16:33.28 | nicoli_s | with those super huge helms, with the bad-guy eye cover thing, looks dumb |
| 16:33.35 | nevcairiel | For Druids in T8, The 10 man set looked far superior to the 25 |
| 16:33.37 | nevcairiel | i hated that .( |
| 16:33.52 | nevcairiel | (and yes, its just a color change) |
| 16:33.52 | ZorbaTHut | nicoli, at one point I counted how many skulls the full T7 warrior tank gear had |
| 16:33.55 | ZorbaTHut | it was depressing. |
| 16:34.06 | ZorbaTHut | (I've finally gotten rid of most of them.) |
| 16:35.01 | Kraps_ | what are good spriest glyphs |
| 16:35.03 | nicoli_s | lol |
| 16:35.36 | Fisker | slaps nicoli_s around a bit with a large trout |
| 16:35.39 | Fisker | beta yet? |
| 16:36.40 | Kraps_ | Glyph of Shadow Word: Pain and Glyph of Inner Fire |
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| 16:37.02 | Lunessa | station |
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| 16:42.19 | nicoli_s | fisker, you know i dont have the beta yet |
| 16:42.26 | nicoli_s | cuz if i did id be yelling in here about it :) |
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| 16:48.20 | nicoli_s | though i wish i would hear something about it :( |
| 16:50.35 | cog|work | why don't they make ipods with brushed metal backs? Do they honestly expect them to stay shiny? |
| 16:51.02 | nevcairiel | who looks at the back? :D |
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| 16:51.32 | cog|work | rogues? |
| 16:51.38 | nevcairiel | Don't the new iphones have those? |
| 16:51.52 | nevcairiel | maybe the ipod touch will get it too then |
| 16:51.55 | cog|work | iphone shmiphone |
| 16:52.07 | Lopeppeppy | With cheese. |
| 16:52.10 | cog|work | ipod classic ftw |
| 16:52.11 | Lopeppeppy | I has a crackberry! |
| 16:54.55 | jnwhiteh | How many healers for VoA 25? |
| 16:55.32 | mikma | maaaaaany |
| 16:55.43 | jnwhiteh | 5? |
| 16:55.51 | mikma | (with the evil sound from ghost rider) |
| 16:57.27 | Lopeppeppy | Cairenn is made of awesome!!! |
| 16:57.29 | Lopeppeppy | ... that is all. |
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| 16:57.41 | Cairenn | huggles Lopeppeppy |
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| 17:00.46 | Thunder_Child | every time i hear that last line of your Lopeppeppy, i always think of M.A.S.H. |
| 17:01.04 | Thunder_Child | yours* |
| 17:01.39 | Cruciformer | is there an api for determining if an item is BoE vs BoP? |
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| 17:02.51 | jnwhiteh | Cruciformer: not as far as I know |
| 17:03.11 | NightHawkTheSane | hmm.. MASH. i should download and watch that |
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| 17:03.18 | mikma | tooltip scanning ^^ |
| 17:03.39 | airtonix | sucks |
| 17:03.44 | Cruciformer | *sigh* guess more tooltip scanning is in order |
| 17:03.48 | Cruciformer | mikmaYeah |
| 17:04.28 | Cairenn | Thunder_Child: why does "that is all" remind you of MASH? |
| 17:04.54 | Thunder_Child | Cairenn, because they used to say it after any PA announcment |
| 17:05.06 | Lopeppeppy | I love MASH. |
| 17:05.09 | Thunder_Child | well, not any |
| 17:05.18 | Cairenn | I know they said it after some |
| 17:05.25 | Cairenn | but didn't recall it being after any/all |
| 17:05.38 | Thunder_Child | "Thunder_Child: well, not any" |
| 17:05.43 | Cairenn | nod |
| 17:06.10 | alestane | "many" of their PA annoucements. |
| 17:06.17 | Cairenn | nod |
| 17:06.27 | kd3 | mmm... mash |
| 17:06.54 | Adys | Cruciformer: sup |
| 17:06.59 | Aelobin_ | is the pvp hit cap only 4% for 2h? |
| 17:07.07 | Legorol | 5% |
| 17:07.44 | Cruciformer | Adys: Just wanted to say thank you again so much for that tooltip scanning thing. Its saved me so much trouble. I trued it into a useful little "which classes is this item valid for" function |
| 17:07.58 | nevcairiel | whats wrong with my tv site, doesnt have mash <.< |
| 17:08.04 | Cruciformer | and now using it again to get if an item is BoE or BoP |
| 17:08.29 | Adys | Cruciformer: nps :) |
| 17:08.41 | NightHawkTheSane | nevcairiel: ... a lot, apparently |
| 17:09.00 | Thunder_Child | Legorol, i thought it was that same as spell hit |
| 17:09.09 | Legorol | it's not |
| 17:09.11 | Cruciformer | Adys: I was thinking. It would be a useful way to get an item into the item cache so you can getiteminfo() on an item too, wouldnt it? |
| 17:09.25 | Legorol | i'ts 5% for melee 2H and specials against same level opp |
| 17:09.51 | Fisker | and boom goes the dynamite |
| 17:10.09 | Thunder_Child | it would be nice if wowwiki said that |
| 17:10.35 | Thunder_Child | crap it does |
| 17:10.37 | kd3 | so fix it so it does? |
| 17:10.38 | kd3 | heh |
| 17:10.41 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.wowwiki.com/Spell_Hit |
| 17:10.43 | NightHawkTheSane | http://www.wowwiki.com/Hit |
| 17:10.49 | Thunder_Child | it's just not in a nice chart like spell hit |
| 17:10.57 | nevcairiel | ah i just had to dig deeper, its there |
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| 17:16.04 | Adys | shitty connection |
| 17:16.08 | Adys | [19:09:11] <Cruciformer> Adys: I was thinking. It would be a useful way to get an item into the item cache so you can getiteminfo() on an item too, wouldnt it? |
| 17:16.13 | Adys | what do you mean Cruciformer ? |
| 17:16.43 | kd3 | oh yay |
| 17:16.52 | kd3 | the bnet beta opt-in thing finally works in wine now |
| 17:17.11 | Adys | what was missing kd3 ? |
| 17:17.24 | kd3 | dunno. something was failing in the submit-to-bnet stage |
| 17:17.37 | kd3 | had to resort to borrowing a laptop to get it to work the first time |
| 17:17.46 | Adys | bug #? |
| 17:17.54 | kd3 | sec |
| 17:18.21 | Cruciformer | Adys: After patch day your item cache is usually cleared. So lets say you have just an itemid stored somewhere adn you do a "GetItemInfo (12345)" - it will return nil if the item isnt in the cache. Much the way you see with AtlasLoot after patch day, many items dont have their tooltips. |
| 17:18.21 | kd3 | http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18384 |
| 17:18.23 | alestane | kd3: Were you using a program in Wine to download the system checker, or something native? |
| 17:18.41 | kd3 | I downloaded it in firefox. ran it in wine |
| 17:19.03 | alestane | It was session-sensitive in some weird way. |
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| 17:19.03 | Adys | Cruciformer: yes thats normal, is it a problem for your addon? |
| 17:19.08 | Cruciformer | Adys: So by "displaying" the tooltip with that tooltip scanning thing, the client has to get the item info from the server and get it into your cache, so after that, GetItemInfo (12345) will work. |
| 17:20.04 | Cruciformer | Adys: depends on teh user. They can add items to a special list for special treatment. When I display that list I display the item link. Currently I store the whole itemlink to get around this problem but if I can just store the itemid, so much the better. |
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| 17:20.48 | Adys | you just need to store the id |
| 17:20.59 | Adys | if you want to recreate the link, store qual and name |
| 17:21.29 | Kraps_ | tards talking smack at each other in trade irks me |
| 17:21.32 | Adys | Im not sure what you need exactly and gotta run, ill be back in 40 mins |
| 17:21.34 | Cruciformer | at which point I may as well save the whole ilink as I had it. Only costs a few more bytes. |
| 17:21.55 | Cruciformer | Adys: Sure no prob. |
| 17:21.59 | Nafe | Cruciformer: may I ask what the tooltip scanning thing that Adys helped you with is? |
| 17:22.13 | Daede | is there a way to pull up my totem through console commands? the x-perl totem frame is broken as of v3.0.3a or so, so I have no real way to pull up my totems (the xperl frame isnt exactly broken, but when i move the slider to reposition it, i get an error and the frame stops working altogether) |
| 17:22.15 | Adys | WeagleLibTooltip, Nafe |
| 17:22.36 | kd3 | bah. you replied to the bug before I could log in |
| 17:22.38 | Cruciformer | http://svn.wowinterface.com/filedetails.php?repname=mikma&path=/Nongren/LibWeagleTooltip.lua&rev=326&sc=0& |
| 17:23.00 | mikma | hai ping |
| 17:23.08 | Adys | kd3: I fast. girls dig fast. |
| 17:24.22 | mikma | i've heard they don't like fast dudes :D |
| 17:24.31 | Lopeppeppy | I sure don't. |
| 17:25.01 | Cruciformer | Nafe: And that in conjuction with using string.match with some of the contants in GlobalStrings.lua is vry effective way of getting info where the API doesn't provie it. |
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| 17:25.55 | NightHawkTheSane | Daede: er, just cast totemic recall? |
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| 17:28.01 | Daede | i r lv6 |
| 17:28.04 | Daede | :( |
| 17:28.32 | NightHawkTheSane | then, dont worry about it |
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| 17:33.51 | Nafe | Adys and Cruciformer: thanks =) |
| 17:34.42 | Grum | grr stupid paladins |
| 17:34.45 | Grum | skill less facerollers |
| 17:35.10 | Daede | give that man a glass of haterade |
| 17:35.34 | Grum | ah try to deny it really :) |
| 17:35.50 | Grum | retardins do so stupid much dmg in pvp >< |
| 17:37.47 | Spellshaper | oh, just wait until they hit 1850 and get a snuggly ilvl 232 weapon |
| 17:38.20 | Daede | for future reference, nighthawk, the addon TTimerMover allows you to move the default blizzard totem frames around the screen (as well as the x-perl ones), which makes them convenient to use, again. |
| 17:38.24 | Grum | it is just <---> bit annoying |
| 17:38.27 | Daede | I can has pull up my totems now :) |
| 17:38.27 | Grum | you cant do shit against them |
| 17:38.58 | End | fighting ret paladins is simple |
| 17:39.03 | End | you can't let them touch you at all |
| 17:39.19 | Daede | lol i wonder how that works out for melee classes |
| 17:39.31 | End | not well I imagine |
| 17:39.33 | Grum | end: how to do that s priest? |
| 17:39.37 | Daede | i kill ret pallies all the time on my dk |
| 17:39.38 | Spellshaper | I wonder how that works out for elemental shaman.. |
| 17:39.38 | Grum | just give any suggestions |
| 17:39.47 | Grum | +a |
| 17:39.55 | Daede | and on my dk, i literally faceroll |
| 17:40.01 | Daede | not because i cant play my class |
| 17:40.08 | Daede | but just because i can faceroll and still win |
| 17:40.12 | Nafe | literally? like... face on keyboard? |
| 17:40.17 | Daede | dks are ridiculous |
| 17:40.20 | Spellshaper | I mean.. I even keep my engineering boots & bombs on cd and can't get away |
| 17:40.33 | Daede | well, no, but i sorta just mash keys on my gamepad till the other guy dies |
| 17:40.54 | End | Grum: I didn't say you could win! |
| 17:41.08 | Nafe | reminds me of Mortal Kombat. |
| 17:41.18 | Spellshaper | but I could prolong the inevitable until the ret gets bored? |
| 17:42.23 | Daede | sometimes i duel people while im tank spec'd blood |
| 17:42.29 | Daede | that really pisses people off |
| 17:42.45 | End | I bet it does :P |
| 17:42.48 | Daede | i just stand there and tank them till they die or give up |
| 17:43.09 | End | I used to feel like affliction maybe had too much self healing |
| 17:43.13 | End | I don't believe that at all anymore |
| 17:43.32 | Daede | the self healing in blood spec needs nerfed bad |
| 17:43.45 | Daede | i heal myself through heroic boss fights |
| 17:43.48 | Daede | healer afk |
| 17:43.57 | End | lol |
| 17:44.06 | Daede | ill fraps it some time |
| 17:44.06 | End | that's silly :P |
| 17:44.09 | Daede | no bullshit |
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| 17:46.20 | Spellshaper | I doesn't need a straight nerf.. I'd be happy if it wasn't so easy to pull off, add another condition |
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| 17:48.51 | Nafe | imo soloing any sort of level60+ boss should be nerfed |
| 17:49.04 | Daede | heh |
| 17:49.30 | Daede | iunno about solo'ing, i couldnt survive that |
| 17:49.36 | Daede | not a lv80 heroic boss |
| 17:49.50 | Daede | but i can tank several of them clean through without a healer |
| 17:49.56 | Daede | and mediocre deeps |
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| 17:50.39 | Daede | first and second bosses of uk, rock boss in nexus, 4 or 5 bosses in vh |
| 17:50.47 | Cide | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/5757194/Workers-have-daily-smile-scans.html |
| 17:50.49 | Daede | its sad really |
| 17:51.00 | Thunder_Child | can +hit be used to negate resistance? |
| 17:51.02 | Cide | deeps? |
| 17:51.06 | Daede | DPS |
| 17:51.06 | kd3 | no |
| 17:51.11 | kd3 | spell pen is used for that |
| 17:51.17 | Thunder_Child | even though it is a "miss chance" |
| 17:51.21 | Cide | stop bastardizing stuff |
| 17:51.30 | Daede | pff, its called slang ;) |
| 17:51.33 | kd3 | miss != resist |
| 17:51.35 | ZorbaTHut | "Workers at Keihin Electric Express Railway will receive a print out of their daily smile which they will be expected to keep with then throughout the day to inspire them to smile at all times, the report added." |
| 17:51.46 | Cide | "deeps" is about as ugly as it gets |
| 17:51.53 | ZorbaTHut | man, I am so amazed at how badly management understands people |
| 17:51.56 | Cide | and HARDER to type as well |
| 17:52.06 | Daede | lol if you think that's ugly, i encourage you to make a toon on anvilmar, alliance side |
| 17:52.20 | Daede | you'll feel less intelligent by the minute |
| 17:52.22 | Daede | i promise |
| 17:52.29 | Cide | no, more intelligent |
| 17:52.35 | Daede | it drags you down |
| 17:52.36 | Cide | I rise above the ashes that is you |
| 17:52.50 | Cairenn | rofl - "It's been said Canada has two seasons - winter and July" |
| 17:52.55 | Nafe | ashes = plural. you = singular =P |
| 17:53.00 | Daede | <3 carienn |
| 17:53.00 | Cide | I'm aware |
| 17:53.07 | Cide | actually |
| 17:53.11 | Daede | ~emulate daede |
| 17:53.12 | purl | ACTION farted.. |
| 17:53.12 | Cide | that wasn't the grammatical error |
| 17:53.17 | Daede | purl say excuse me |
| 17:53.18 | purl | excuse me |
| 17:53.22 | Daede | ~botsnack |
| 17:53.22 | purl | Daede: thanks |
| 17:53.28 | alestane | Random Windows question: I was looking over my brother's laptop day before yester and when you try to log in, it does one of two things...gets "hart shutdown" stuck on the Welcome screen, or goes from the welcome screen back to the login screen and lets you actually log in. Anyone encountered this behavior before on Vista? |
| 17:53.31 | Daede | pets purl |
| 17:54.26 | Cide | alestane: nope, and never heard of it either.. strange |
| 17:54.41 | Daede | alestane: www.microsoft.com type "windows 7 rc" in the search box, and find the download page. it'll stop working effectively in march, but is already available for preorder and will hit shelves in october, so no worries. |
| 17:54.51 | Daede | the rc is currently free and totally badass, however |
| 17:55.10 | Cide | yep |
| 17:55.14 | Daede | you just need a hotmail address |
| 17:55.15 | Cide | running it on this comp and my laptop |
| 17:55.16 | alestane | This laptop is usually in New York, and not in a place where I can support it when they have to downgrade back to Vista. |
| 17:55.23 | Daede | im running it on everything :) |
| 17:55.28 | Cide | that's my everything |
| 17:55.43 | ScytheBlade1 | Daede: retail will be on technet/msdn in just barely over a week, and you can't upgrade from 7 rc --> 7 retail.. |
| 17:55.58 | Cide | that's what they said about 7 beta -> 7 rc |
| 17:56.30 | Daede | so, i has a seperate partition for data and os |
| 17:56.31 | ScytheBlade1 | Well they have a week, which is likely feature freeze, to change their minds |
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| 17:56.41 | Daede | upgradign windows is a horrible idea, anyways |
| 17:56.42 | ScytheBlade1 | err, likely product freeze rather |
| 17:56.45 | Daede | in any situation |
| 17:57.28 | Daede | im so happy with windows 7 im actually getting re-certified |
| 17:57.40 | Lunessa | alestane: The problem sounds like a registry issue - probably needs maintenance and a reinstall. |
| 17:57.56 | Daede | is cleansweep still maintained? |
| 17:59.22 | Lunessa | Daede: Not really. |
| 17:59.30 | alestane | Lunessa: They don't have any disks, and the product key sticker on the bottom has suffered what looks like being set on a drip on the table. |
| 17:59.39 | Lunessa | A neutered version of it is built-in. |
| 17:59.47 | Daede | yeah right on.. i should hunt down a decent registry cleaner |
| 18:00.05 | Lunessa | alestane: .. this is not happy-making news. |
| 18:00.36 | Daede | you can extract your product key from the registry, but it's a pain in the ass. google it |
| 18:01.03 | Lunessa | It might also be one of those massively stupid "Hidden Partition for recovery" deals. HATE THEM SO MUCH |
| 18:01.13 | Daede | i dont mind those |
| 18:01.20 | Daede | especially whent he whole lot goes sideways |
| 18:01.34 | Daede | and it presents itself as the only option for recovery ;) |
| 18:01.54 | Daede | you know you've been there |
| 18:02.42 | alestane | They've apparently downloaded one of those "retrieve your product key" utilities, and it doesn't resemble what's left on the bottom of the computer. |
| 18:02.44 | Lunessa | Daede: I burn a start up disc for every machine. And I have an extensive suite of tools. :) |
| 18:03.25 | Daede | yeah, me too. But, Ive hit that situation several times, regardless (only when working on systems I did not build, however). |
| 18:03.59 | Daede | it should be 5 groups of 5 characters |
| 18:04.09 | Daede | XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX-XXXXX |
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| 18:04.59 | alestane | And the first group is all that's left on the product key sticker. |
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| 18:05.08 | Daede | shambles |
| 18:05.18 | Daede | call microsoft |
| 18:05.23 | Daede | its a legal copy of windows |
| 18:05.28 | Daede | they will help you. |
| 18:05.43 | Shirik | I had to do that all the time |
| 18:05.49 | Shirik | when I worked for best buy doing installs |
| 18:06.13 | Daede | these days if its an illegal copy of windows, they'll sell you a legal product key for $50 (home premium upgrade, for example) and continue the call |
| 18:06.47 | Shirik | one time I came across a copy of windows that actually had an incorrect key |
| 18:06.53 | Shirik | it was really wierd |
| 18:06.57 | Daede | they got pretty serious about customer support since the days of WinME/2K |
| 18:07.06 | Shirik | that was a mess trying to get them to give me another key :) |
| 18:07.20 | alestane | I've heard they're more flexible these days. |
| 18:07.33 | Daede | yeah they wont let it go without some money, in my experience |
| 18:08.09 | Shirik | oh they ended up giving it to me |
| 18:08.15 | Daede | nice |
| 18:08.26 | Shirik | just needed some really strange numbers on the key |
| 18:08.28 | Daede | october is gonna suck |
| 18:08.29 | Shirik | that I never even noticed before |
| 18:08.35 | Daede | $500 on new OSs |
| 18:09.06 | Daede | 7Ult (319) and 2 7Pro upgrades (99/ea) |
| 18:09.12 | durcyn | just be lazy and use the RC until it starts shutting down on you |
| 18:09.30 | Daede | better to preorder, save $200 |
| 18:09.35 | Lunessa | Haha... I remember back in the day calling microsoft support - I was downgrading from NT 3.5.1 to Windows 98 and they couldn't tell me how to reformat the drive from NTFS to FAT32 |
| 18:10.13 | Daede | they both used 4.0-32 fdisk |
| 18:10.16 | Lunessa | And that was when they carged your $32 / call. |
| 18:10.21 | Daede | shouldnt have been a problem at all |
| 18:10.36 | Daede | oh 3.5.1 |
| 18:10.38 | Daede | nvm |
| 18:10.42 | Lunessa | Actually, my mistake Windows 95. '98 was still a year away. |
| 18:11.04 | Daede | yeah either way eww.. end up using the hdd's low level utility? |
| 18:11.47 | Lunessa | No, I just re-ran the NT set up and used it to reformat the disk. Then '95 could see it. I called back and gave them that info for their database. |
| 18:12.04 | Daede | nice, did they charge you $32 to give them the update? :D |
| 18:12.13 | Lunessa | No, they refunded my $32 |
| 18:12.19 | Daede | VERY nice |
| 18:12.34 | Daede | how people manage to get free shit from microsoft is beyond me |
| 18:13.25 | Daede | but that's really okay... windows 7 makes me actually want to spend money with them for a change |
| 18:13.26 | Lunessa | *shrug* I was persistent, friendly, and kept asking for someone who could 'help' me - I got passed up until I got someone who could, and did. |
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| 18:18.26 | Daede | wow is pretty on ultra |
| 18:19.19 | Spellshaper | if your rig can handle it, yes |
| 18:19.36 | Daede | yeah well |
| 18:19.49 | Daede | my wife decided to go to like 5 new kids concerts int he span of one year |
| 18:20.06 | Spellshaper | I'm playing with minimal settings.. and still can't get over 10 fps in 25man raids |
| 18:20.07 | Daede | so i jacked 2 grand from our tax refund and built this beast in retaliation |
| 18:20.42 | Spellshaper | Funny thing is.. Crysis and Supreme Commander run on normal with 40 fps+ |
| 18:22.37 | Daede | Core2Duo e8400 3GHZ OC'd to 3.5GHz via a Zalman 7700-cu cooler, 8GB Corsair 800MHz DC DDR2 RAM, 1TB Seagate Barracuda 7200RPM HDD, 2xBFGTech 9600GT 512MB in SLI, 1x Biotech PCI-E 256Mb 8400GS (for second sscreen), MSI P7N board (3x PCI-E), Antec case, Antec 650W PSU |
| 18:22.52 | Daede | 2xDell 22" Widescreens |
| 18:22.55 | Lunessa | Spellshaper: I'm guessing it's due to the aging 3D engine WoW uses. I get roughly 45-60 FPS most of the time but raids with lots of activity knock me down to about 20 FPS and Dalaran can hit single digits. and my rig doesn't totally suck. |
| 18:23.39 | Lunessa | I think there's something strange about how it passes stuff off to the GPU, but I van' |
| 18:23.49 | Lunessa | can't speak with any real education on the topic. |
| 18:24.18 | airtonix | it performs better for me under wine using opengl than it doesn in windows using directx |
| 18:24.34 | airtonix | same setup as daede |
| 18:24.37 | Daede | i run on ultra with a few of the settings hijacked and jacked up to max through the nvidia ctrl panel |
| 18:24.48 | Daede | airtonix, you running a ramdisk? |
| 18:25.10 | airtonix | Daede, not in linux no. |
| 18:25.15 | Daede | I'm running a 4GB ramdisk of the most commonly accessed files on C with a 5 minute commit |
| 18:25.31 | Daede | i dont drop below 30FPS in any situation, ever |
| 18:26.01 | Daede | well, except dalaran |
| 18:26.14 | Daede | which i just dont understand, but who cares, im hardly ever there |
| 18:26.21 | airtonix | Daede, you've mounted a portion of the wow data files on the ramdisk? |
| 18:26.49 | Grum | yes because graphics performance is absolutely depending on your diskspeed .... |
| 18:27.03 | airtonix | ^ |
| 18:27.04 | airtonix | lol |
| 18:27.17 | Grum | /sigh |
| 18:27.20 | Lunessa | I tried upping the texture cache for WoW - and the end result was that the game ran worse. |
| 18:27.40 | Daede | actually, you'd be surprised the fps gain you get when the hard disk only needs to be touched for 3/10 of a second every 5 minutes... |
| 18:27.44 | airtonix | person a : qq my fps is low , interjecting-expert : you need better internetz! face4!!!!oneoneone!! |
| 18:27.46 | Grum | the only thing that will make your wow run faster is by getting the fastest possible dualcore setup posslb |
| 18:28.10 | Torhal | Truth. I actually replaced a quad-core with a dual-core for this reason. |
| 18:28.19 | Thunder_Child | actually wow doesnt use much more than one core |
| 18:28.27 | Grum | 1.5 cores approx |
| 18:28.27 | Daede | it does if you tell it to :) |
| 18:28.33 | Thunder_Child | not for me |
| 18:28.38 | Grum | then you suck |
| 18:28.46 | Thunder_Child | agreed |
| 18:28.53 | airtonix | yes you are less than optimal. |
| 18:29.01 | Daede | what dc are you running and does it support logical processors? |
| 18:29.05 | alestane | A second core can help somewhat from what I recall, but more than that won't really help. |
| 18:29.07 | airtonix | trim the whitespace! |
| 18:29.15 | Thunder_Child | dc? |
| 18:29.19 | Daede | dual core |
| 18:29.23 | cog|work | http://in.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idINTRE5623G020090703 O.o |
| 18:29.25 | Spellshaper | it does use dual core.. but not really in an efficient way |
| 18:29.32 | Grum | 2/4 of my cores are used by wow |
| 18:29.39 | Grum | assign it 3 cores it will still use 2 |
| 18:29.42 | Spellshaper | for me, total CPu usage doesn't go above 75% when playing wow |
| 18:29.48 | Grum | yup |
| 18:29.53 | Grum | but it is still mostly cpu bound |
| 18:29.54 | Daede | and those with quad cores should try setting their processAffinityMask to "85" and see how it works out |
| 18:30.01 | Grum | it just doesnt rape your system completely for some unknown reason |
| 18:30.09 | Grum | Daede: how/where? |
| 18:30.49 | Spellshaper | about darn time.. Freya +2 down |
| 18:30.49 | Daede | if you have a dual core that supports LP, set it to 15, otherwise with a dual core, set it to 3 |
| 18:30.54 | Daede | in Config.wtf |
| 18:30.59 | Daede | in your user folder |
| 18:31.07 | Daede | SET processAffinityMask "85" |
| 18:31.13 | Grum | what does it do? |
| 18:31.31 | Daede | it tells wow exactly how to balance its load across how many cores |
| 18:31.35 | Daede | and the number is binary |
| 18:31.47 | Spellshaper | interesting |
| 18:31.48 | Daede | thats why it makes no sense |
| 18:31.53 | Daede | try 3,15,85 |
| 18:31.57 | Spellshaper | I'll play around with that a bit |
| 18:32.00 | Daede | :) |
| 18:32.09 | Thunder_Child | E6600 to answer your question |
| 18:32.15 | Grum | 3 = 1, 15=2, 85=3? o.O |
| 18:32.34 | Daede | e6600 doesnt support LP, set to 15 and/or 3, see which works better |
| 18:32.40 | Daede | no |
| 18:32.46 | Arrowmaster | you mean HT? |
| 18:32.48 | Daede | 3 is for 2 cores |
| 18:33.00 | Daede | yeah HT = LP |
| 18:33.06 | Arrowmaster | aka i7 |
| 18:33.20 | Cide | lua> 0.9*0.75/(1+0.9*0.75) |
| 18:33.21 | lua_bot | Cide: 0.40298507462687 |
| 18:33.21 | Daede | w/e same drugs, different street name ;) |
| 18:34.05 | Cide | lua> 1.2*0.75/(1+1.2*0.75) |
| 18:34.06 | lua_bot | Cide: 0.47368421052632 |
| 18:34.20 | Daede | a friend of mine with a core2quad and an ati radeon xfire setup gets upwards of 200fps everywhere exept dalaran where he only gets 130 |
| 18:34.49 | Daede | but iunno how he did it |
| 18:34.55 | Arrowmaster | and how overclocked is it? |
| 18:35.01 | Daede | no clue |
| 18:35.09 | Arrowmaster | must be very overclocked |
| 18:35.12 | Daede | my e8400 is overclocked to 3.5 |
| 18:35.24 | Daede | with just a zalman onion |
| 18:35.37 | airtonix | lol onion |
| 18:36.01 | Daede | but i have the pci/pci-e/and front side memory busses locked |
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| 18:36.12 | Daede | so i could be doing a lot better |
| 18:36.17 | Daede | but i dont wanna cook any ram |
| 18:36.21 | Grum | so i have a q9450 .. what should i set it at? :P |
| 18:36.23 | Daede | shrugs |
| 18:36.37 | airtonix | twelvty |
| 18:36.45 | Daede | eleventy seven |
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| 18:40.16 | Grum | Daede: 85 would be core 1/3/5/7 if i understand your story correctly? |
| 18:40.28 | Daede | funny story, i only really know what im talking about when it comes to the hardware in my own box.. |
| 18:40.33 | Daede | correct |
| 18:40.44 | Grum | so that would be useful for i7? .. |
| 18:40.50 | Daede | and thats cuz i had to build it myself, so i had to learnt he ins and outs of it |
| 18:40.54 | Grum | as quadcores might as be 15 as well |
| 18:40.57 | Daede | all i know is: |
| 18:41.08 | Daede | try 255,85,15,3 |
| 18:41.15 | Daede | use the one that runs best |
| 18:41.25 | Daede | and you *must* run wow as admin |
| 18:41.30 | Daede | for it to work |
| 18:41.37 | Grum | ea stand still in dalaran |
| 18:41.40 | Grum | see which ones gives the best fps? |
| 18:42.07 | Daede | i would walk around dalaran once |
| 18:42.07 | Daede | or ride around |
| 18:42.07 | Arrowmaster | you probably have to restart wow |
| 18:42.25 | Daede | at least pan your camera 360d at max distance |
| 18:42.25 | Daede | yeah you do |
| 18:42.28 | Grum | would be nice if it could spread load over >2 cores |
| 18:42.40 | Daede | it does |
| 18:42.43 | Daede | up to 4 cores |
| 18:42.51 | Daede | you just have to speak binary which i dont |
| 18:43.13 | Daede | for 4 cores, try 255,85 and for 2 cores try 3,15 |
| 18:43.34 | Daede | 255 would be for a quad core with HT |
| 18:43.42 | Arrowmaster | so would 85 |
| 18:43.46 | Daede | theoretically enabling 8 cores |
| 18:43.55 | Daede | and 85 would enable 4 cores |
| 18:43.58 | Arrowmaster | and wow still doesnt use more than 2 cores effeciently |
| 18:44.16 | Arrowmaster | 85 would be for a quadcore with HT but only using the real cores |
| 18:44.21 | Daede | efficient or not, it's still gonna be a performance increase |
| 18:44.27 | Daede | yeah |
| 18:44.34 | Arrowmaster | not much since theres only so many things to seperate |
| 18:44.38 | Daede | 85 would be for pretty much any quad core, ht or not |
| 18:44.52 | Arrowmaster | on a dual core it does the sound on one core and everything else on the other |
| 18:45.03 | Daede | if you set to 3 |
| 18:45.15 | Grum | what cpu has 4core + HT? |
| 18:45.20 | Arrowmaster | i7 |
| 18:45.20 | Daede | if you set to 15, it enables the ht cores and spreads things out a little more |
| 18:45.33 | Arrowmaster | theres nothing else to spread out |
| 18:45.35 | Daede | e8400 doesnt have ht cores :\ |
| 18:45.59 | Grum | i7 is 8 real cores not? |
| 18:46.00 | Daede | i shouldnt have listened to that sales guy |
| 18:46.06 | Daede | i should have bought an i7 >.> |
| 18:46.14 | Arrowmaster | Grum: no 4 |
| 18:46.19 | Daede | it's 4 cores with 4 ht cores which are real enough |
| 18:46.31 | Daede | the ht cores are limited in function, though |
| 18:46.41 | Daede | from what i understand |
| 18:46.53 | Arrowmaster | better than the HT from the p4 days, but still no close to a real core |
| 18:47.09 | Daede | lol i remember p4 ht |
| 18:47.18 | Daede | was actually pretty nice in laptops |
| 18:47.55 | Arrowmaster | HT should run two apps each using 50% cpu better than a single core afaik |
| 18:48.18 | Grum | sort of sidekick cpu |
| 18:48.22 | Daede | yeah |
| 18:48.24 | Daede | exactly |
| 18:48.31 | Daede | think of it like an overdrive |
| 18:48.45 | Arrowmaster | if the core is being used at 100% theres nothing left for the HT to use |
| 18:49.14 | Grum | lets check the 15 setting :D |
| 18:49.18 | Daede | HT will still perform FPOs even if the core is at 100% |
| 18:49.35 | Aqua | you guys remember the turbo buttons on the 38's? |
| 18:49.36 | Daede | takes a good amount of math load off the core |
| 18:49.39 | Aqua | 386's |
| 18:49.41 | Daede | lol yeah |
| 18:49.53 | Aqua | those things were fat |
| 18:50.11 | Aqua | and that is a play on words btw, I meant it too be the wrong thing |
| 18:50.13 | Arrowmaster | remember turning the turbo on and off after beating solitare in windows 3.1 |
| 18:50.20 | Daede | i remember having tsr that every once in a while it would say "help me, i'm stuck inside this computer" through the pc speaker, and if you turned turbo on and did that he sounded like one of the chipmunks |
| 18:50.28 | Grum | wow clearly taints 4 cores now :) |
| 18:50.48 | Aqua | turbo solitate... |
| 18:51.00 | Aqua | the graphics man the graphics! |
| 18:51.04 | Grum | it rapes the shit out of core4 though for some reason |
| 18:51.24 | Daede | plase clarify |
| 18:51.26 | Arrowmaster | because thats the core the main thread is using |
| 18:51.29 | Grum | mmm while just running around |
| 18:51.37 | Grum | core4 has 100% usage |
| 18:51.38 | Daede | are you running a core2quad and a core2duo side by side? |
| 18:51.45 | Grum | and the rest identical patterns at ~5% |
| 18:51.49 | Daede | oh you mean the fourth core |
| 18:52.06 | Arrowmaster | wow was not designed multi threaded, it was tacked on later so only a few things can be offloaded to other cores |
| 18:52.09 | Daede | what are you using to monitor your cores? |
| 18:52.11 | Grum | its super spikey on the 4th core |
| 18:52.18 | Grum | euuh taskmanager =) |
| 18:52.33 | Aqua | FAIL |
| 18:52.41 | Daede | man i swear to god |
| 18:52.55 | Daede | ive been kicking myself for 2 months over this processor |
| 18:52.58 | Grum | gimmeh better a tool then |
| 18:53.02 | Daede | i should not have listened to the salesman |
| 18:53.08 | Grum | this is just freaky |
| 18:53.13 | Arrowmaster | why the hell did you goto a store? |
| 18:53.19 | ScytheBlade1 | ^ |
| 18:53.21 | Daede | i went to micro center |
| 18:53.24 | Daede | if you dont know |
| 18:53.26 | Daede | now you know |
| 18:53.38 | Daede | micro center > *.* |
| 18:53.42 | airtonix | makes notes |
| 18:53.54 | Arrowmaster | apparently not if you got scamed by a salesman |
| 18:54.15 | Aqua | I like my Core 2 Duo's they are pretty fast for |
| 18:54.22 | Aqua | only being dual's |
| 18:54.24 | ScytheBlade1 | I like my i7, it's faster |
| 18:54.31 | Daede | i didnt get scammed. i told him i play wow and he said "well, wow doesnt really support anything more than dual core very well, you're better off just getting the e8400" |
| 18:54.36 | Grum | mm i dont get this, why it likes my 4th core so much :) |
| 18:54.50 | Daede | and it was like 200 cheaper |
| 18:54.51 | airtonix | you left chip grease in that core |
| 18:54.55 | Arrowmaster | Grum: because you told it to use the 4th core |
| 18:54.57 | Thunder_Child | http://www.tshirthell.com//shirts/products/a1260/a1260_new.gif |
| 18:55.10 | ZorbaTHut | never buy computers for what you're doing right now. buy computers for what you will be doing in two years |
| 18:55.10 | Grum | Arrowmaster: i told it to use all 4 cores -- 15 should be just that |
| 18:55.18 | Arrowmaster | it cant use all 4 |
| 18:55.25 | Arrowmaster | you told it what cores are available to use |
| 18:55.32 | Grum | ah k |
| 18:55.35 | Grum | so it then just picks a random one? |
| 18:55.42 | Daede | im gonna buy that shirt |
| 18:55.57 | Thunder_Child | http://www.tshirthell.com/funny-shirts/i-dont-need-140-characters-to-say-fuck-you |
| 18:55.58 | Arrowmaster | probably picks the last one |
| 18:56.01 | Thunder_Child | it's there |
| 18:56.02 | ScytheBlade1 | No. That bitmask flag simply tells WoW what cores it *can* use, as opposed to which cores it *will* use |
| 18:56.12 | Grum | ah k |
| 18:56.16 | ZorbaTHut | I wonder what the main CPU drain in WoW is |
| 18:56.23 | Grum | well at least it should run better next to my othre running shit :) |
| 18:56.27 | Thunder_Child | if you rclick on the process in task manager you can set the cores |
| 18:56.31 | Daede | zorba, yeah well, as it sits this e8400 will last me a year and a half to two years no problem. at that point ill pass it down to my son and not make the same mistake twice ;) |
| 18:56.32 | Arrowmaster | which is why the 85 is just about the only useful one, since it says to skip the HT cores |
| 18:56.34 | Grum | ZorbaTHut: i guess the frame calculations ;0 |
| 18:56.51 | ZorbaTHut | daede, that works :) |
| 18:56.52 | Grum | yeah makes sense Arrowmaster |
| 18:57.08 | Grum | so what are you going to get Daede? |
| 18:57.18 | Daede | actually scythe is right.. but wow, as of i think somewhere around 3.1, is intelligent, and when it CAN use additional cores, it DOES :) |
| 18:57.24 | Daede | iunno, ask me in 2 years |
| 18:58.10 | Daede | grum in high usage situations, you should see core4 going back down some and the load spreading across the rest of the cores |
| 18:58.13 | Grum | ah well if wow wasnt designed to run on multi-core boxes (which it wasnt) then we'll prolly n ever get the complete benefit |
| 18:58.13 | Daede | right? |
| 18:58.22 | Grum | i will see that in a second |
| 18:58.30 | Daede | nah, but the benefit you do get is definitely worth it |
| 18:58.30 | Grum | about to do Vezax hardmode |
| 18:58.33 | ZorbaTHut | I am still trying to decide if I want 12gb or 24gb of RAM on my next box :P I've got 8gb on this box, and I've been squeezed on RAM before |
| 18:58.37 | ScytheBlade1 | Using task manager's affinity settings is the same thing as using the bitmask flag. It just tells WoW which cores it can use, as opposed to which cores it will use |
| 18:58.48 | ScytheBlade1 | That said, the engine is still largely single-threaded |
| 18:58.53 | Grum | yeah |
| 18:58.57 | Daede | ive never been squeezed on ram, and i maintain a 4g ramdisk |
| 18:59.01 | ZorbaTHut | grum, g'luck. I don't even understand how vezax hardmode is possible :) |
| 18:59.12 | Grum | oh we killed animus yesterday |
| 18:59.25 | ZorbaTHut | how do your healers not go OOM? |
| 18:59.27 | Daede | scythe: yeah |
| 18:59.27 | Grum | but we had a bad luck wipe after that with the stupid +shadowdmg debuffs and a fool with bossmods turned off |
| 18:59.33 | Grum | they do go oom :p |
| 18:59.34 | Daede | they know how to heal? |
| 18:59.35 | Grum | well most of them |
| 18:59.52 | Grum | all aoe-healers go oom when animus spawns |
| 19:00.01 | Daede | fun |
| 19:00.22 | Daede | does dk healing still work? |
| 19:00.37 | Grum | it should |
| 19:00.45 | Grum | but having a blood DK tank is kinda meh |
| 19:00.52 | ZorbaTHut | daede, the only thing that vezax breaks is mana regen |
| 19:01.03 | Daede | pffffffff |
| 19:01.13 | Daede | blood dk tanking rules in ulduar |
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| 19:01.27 | ZorbaTHut | we really need some non-warrior tanks in our guild |
| 19:01.31 | Daede | there are only 2 fights i tank in frost |
| 19:01.37 | ZorbaTHut | we're running with three warrior tanks and a paladin who sometimes doesn't show up :P |
| 19:01.47 | Daede | pallies seem to be good for that |
| 19:01.50 | Grum | and it starts ! :'( |
| 19:02.00 | Daede | ? |
| 19:02.10 | Grum | i dont like the fight hehe |
| 19:02.16 | Kalroth | ZorbaTHut: Warrior tanks are fine once you get them geared up |
| 19:02.18 | Daede | oh lol GL meng |
| 19:02.18 | Grum | so utterly threatcapped as spriest |
| 19:02.30 | Kalroth | but DKs are superior on any fight where CDs matter |
| 19:02.33 | Daede | see, you need a dk |
| 19:02.38 | ZorbaTHut | kalroth, we do fine, yeah, but some variety would be nice. other tanks do work better on some fights |
| 19:03.04 | Daede | iunno i think dks are just flat out built to tank, and are the only true avoidance tanks in the game |
| 19:03.08 | Kalroth | only fights where a DK really matter is Thorim hardmode, Vezax (for no kiting) and Algalon to some degree |
| 19:03.14 | Daede | i couldnt imagine tanking as any other class |
| 19:03.53 | Kalroth | mmm, what's your avoidance at? because warriors get pretty high in avoidance too |
| 19:03.59 | Daede | my huntard is neglected these days |
| 19:04.00 | airtonix | shadowpriest tanking normal bc dungeons gogo! |
| 19:04.04 | Daede | like 54 ooc |
| 19:04.14 | ZorbaTHut | warriors laugh at your puny avoidance! we tank by covering ourselves in magical supersteel, then getting punched by a dragon repeatedly |
| 19:04.15 | Daede | ill login and check |
| 19:06.23 | Kalroth | our MT sits at 51% avoidance + 20% blocking in his regular gear (sta/expr/hit) |
| 19:06.24 | Kalroth | I'm pretty sure he can hit 55% fairly easy with some gear swaps |
| 19:06.41 | Daede | out of combat in frost presence, blood spec, i have 54.5% avoidance with 31,802 life and 25,865 armor. im tank expertise soft-capped (29) and tank hit capped (>6.5% with racial) |
| 19:07.48 | Kalroth | I'm just looking at his armory, but 26k armor, 51% avoidance, 20% blocking and 37k health |
| 19:08.02 | Kalroth | 27 expertise and uhmm, only 4.85% hit rating |
| 19:08.05 | Daede | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Anvilmar&n=Machíne |
| 19:08.13 | Daede | only needs to be 6.5 for tanks |
| 19:08.43 | Daede | depending on his weapon he probably has a racial specialization |
| 19:08.48 | Kalroth | I hate those special characters :( |
| 19:08.52 | Kalroth | no, he's a tauren |
| 19:08.56 | Daede | sorry man |
| 19:08.59 | Daede | alt-0223 |
| 19:08.59 | jaxdahl | i go over 10% expertise as a tnak |
| 19:09.03 | Daede | err alt-0237 |
| 19:09.14 | jaxdahl | usually 30-50 exp |
| 19:09.20 | Daede | yeah im just letting it build naturally |
| 19:09.33 | Daede | its at 29 all by itself |
| 19:09.40 | Daede | just what comes on gear and such |
| 19:10.01 | Kalroth | Daede: Ah okay, you're mostly in Naxx25 gear :p |
| 19:10.02 | ZorbaTHut | for some reason I'm just getting no expertise on my gear |
| 19:10.04 | Kalroth | Nerf DKs |
| 19:10.11 | Daede | lol |
| 19:10.16 | Kalroth | Daede: http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormrage&n=Zlad |
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| 19:10.59 | Daede | jesus christ |
| 19:11.02 | Daede | nice tank |
| 19:11.25 | Kalroth | http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormrage&n=Sundett this is our DK tank |
| 19:11.34 | ZorbaTHut | oh man sorthalis |
| 19:11.36 | ZorbaTHut | lucky sob |
| 19:11.44 | Kalroth | not equally geared though, he still lacks some proper drops |
| 19:12.52 | Daede | very nice |
| 19:13.00 | Kalroth | I don't know much about DKs, I'm a warrior so I just know that I don't like them! |
| 19:13.01 | Daede | i bet your guild doesnt suck, tho |
| 19:13.03 | Lunessa | Need T8 - http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Kirin+Tor&n=Unkle - /cry |
| 19:13.10 | Kalroth | We do :P |
| 19:13.22 | Daede | well so do we |
| 19:13.28 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Shattered+Halls&n=zorba // I am still in a weird-ass mishmash of stuff |
| 19:13.35 | ZorbaTHut | mine's the best guild on the faction! |
| 19:13.43 | ZorbaTHut | today we're trying to take down yogg-saron again |
| 19:13.44 | ZorbaTHut | :( |
| 19:14.01 | Daede | my guild is only 7 bosses in |
| 19:14.05 | Daede | on 25 |
| 19:14.10 | Kalroth | what's wiping you? P2 or P3, Zorba? |
| 19:14.13 | Daede | and 2 teams stuck at vezax |
| 19:14.18 | ZorbaTHut | kalroth, *cough* P1 |
| 19:14.28 | Daede | on 10 |
| 19:14.28 | Kalroth | Daede: Ah, we're uhhm, 6 hard modes in 25 man |
| 19:14.32 | Lunessa | I'm finally to the level where I consider my output 'acceptable' - and I know I can improve - but it's hard to squeeze more DPS out of what I'm already doing. I'm looking forward to 3.2 to get back 6 seconds of DPS time. |
| 19:14.37 | Daede | very nice |
| 19:14.38 | Kalroth | we've done Yogg+0 and Algalon on 10 man |
| 19:14.41 | Daede | too bad you're hode |
| 19:14.50 | Daede | horde* |
| 19:14.51 | Kalroth | horde > smelly alliance! |
| 19:14.55 | ZorbaTHut | nobody on my entire faction has killed yogg, 10man or 25man |
| 19:14.58 | Daede | more like too bad im alliance but meh |
| 19:14.58 | Kalroth | ZorbaTHut: Oh, ouch :p |
| 19:15.11 | Kalroth | P1 isn't that bad after they fixed it - how do you do it? |
| 19:15.15 | ZorbaTHut | I'm seriously considering jumping servers just because I want to do better, but I like some of the people I'm with |
| 19:15.21 | Kalroth | We got melee + tanks in the middle and ranged running around |
| 19:15.34 | Kalroth | it's muuuuch easier than tanks running the guardians to her |
| 19:15.59 | ZorbaTHut | kalroth, well, first we grab the nearest add, then we burn it down, then kite it over to her. then a healer or a dps panics for no obvious and runs through a green cloud. it sort of goes downhill from there. |
| 19:16.08 | Kalroth | hahah |
| 19:16.09 | ZorbaTHut | *no obvious reason |
| 19:16.24 | Kalroth | the kiting to Sarah is a lot harder - it was for us anyways |
| 19:16.28 | ZorbaTHut | our tanks are good (full disclosure: I'm a tank :P) but we're having some real issues with competence on our dps and healers |
| 19:16.34 | Kalroth | it's a lot easier when the tank can just keep it near her |
| 19:16.47 | ZorbaTHut | we've got one warlock who somehow manages to die on almost every single boss with raid damage. |
| 19:16.56 | Kalroth | We got melee moving clockwise around her, only one cloud to watch out for |
| 19:17.06 | ZorbaTHut | honestly, I can tell you what'll happen there - our melee will run into clouds repeatedly |
| 19:17.13 | Daede | hes lifetapping without a healer to check him, probably |
| 19:17.15 | Kalroth | and ranged team got a designated leader (with icon) that knows where to go |
| 19:17.25 | ZorbaTHut | you guys and your organization |
| 19:17.33 | Kalroth | And yes, I wish there was a way to see who runs into clouds |
| 19:17.41 | Kalroth | We still got numnuts that do it |
| 19:17.42 | ZorbaTHut | if you were on US I'd be asking you if you had space for a warrior tank :P |
| 19:17.51 | Kalroth | lol |
| 19:18.07 | Kalroth | we don't organize it that much really |
| 19:18.27 | ZorbaTHut | well, one way or another it seems to work ;) |
| 19:18.34 | Kalroth | eg. we don't use Ventrilo at all |
| 19:18.41 | Kalroth | (or Teamspeak for that matter) |
| 19:19.01 | ZorbaTHut | honestly, I think part of our problem is just that we have no place to get gear or new talent from |
| 19:19.09 | ZorbaTHut | I've never seen a runed orb on the AH, for example |
| 19:19.10 | Kalroth | We do raid 4 times a week though, which is more than most I guess |
| 19:19.23 | Kalroth | ZorbaTHut: yeah, our AH is super crappy too, but not that bad |
| 19:19.38 | Daede | alliance side on my realm is full of a bunch of downs syndrome babies |
| 19:19.42 | ZorbaTHut | there's exactly one other guild on the faction that's even gotten past XT-002 25-man, so there's not a lot of space for trading talent and/or ideas |
| 19:19.43 | Kalroth | It sucks being stuck on a backwater server |
| 19:19.47 | Daede | i wanna kill myself daily |
| 19:20.07 | Kalroth | Well WoW got a lot of casual players, it is a very casual friendly game |
| 19:20.09 | ZorbaTHut | (there's like half a dozen that have gotten past FL 10-man or 25-man) |
| 19:20.25 | Daede | yeah ive lost most of my interest in it to be honest |
| 19:20.27 | ZorbaTHut | up until two weeks ago it wasn't even possible to get the Blood Draining enchant, 'cause nobody had it. |
| 19:20.30 | Kalroth | Can't expect everyone to be willing to run a 2-4 day weekly schedule to pound on a new PvE encounter |
| 19:21.10 | Kalroth | ZorbaTHut: That can be attributed to shit luck too though - back in Sunwell we had like 4-5 guilds running it, but one pattern never dropped on our server |
| 19:21.31 | ZorbaTHut | kalroth, yeah, but more than luck it's just a matter of not having anyone doing it |
| 19:21.46 | Kalroth | Yup, that's true - the odds are a lot lower when noone is doing it :p |
| 19:21.48 | ZorbaTHut | nobody on my server got to Sunwell at 70 |
| 19:21.58 | ZorbaTHut | like, no guild. I think the best guild was stuck in Black Temple. |
| 19:22.00 | Daede | wow |
| 19:22.02 | Kalroth | It's kinda sad though, Leviathan alone is super easy if you do him without towers |
| 19:22.13 | ZorbaTHut | it wouldn't entirely surprise me if there was *still* no guild that had finished Sunwell, to be honest :P |
| 19:22.16 | Kalroth | We had a group of 12 alts player defeat him without deaths :) |
| 19:22.27 | Kalroth | alt players* |
| 19:22.28 | Daede | leviathan is super easy with 2 towers, cant wait to try him with 3 |
| 19:22.33 | ZorbaTHut | we're working on FL+2 on 10-man |
| 19:22.42 | ZorbaTHut | the problem is that we can't seem to fill a 10-man group with all guildies |
| 19:22.47 | ZorbaTHut | and we can't get good pugs |
| 19:22.52 | Daede | that sucks |
| 19:23.00 | Kalroth | You just need 2/4 good demo drivers + good pyrite grabber, then it's very, very easy |
| 19:23.01 | Daede | what realm are you on? |
| 19:23.03 | ZorbaTHut | we've managed fl+1 with thorim and with hodir, but fl+2 eludes us so far |
| 19:23.07 | ZorbaTHut | daede, Shattered Halls US |
| 19:23.14 | Daede | sorry to hear it, transfer |
| 19:23.21 | ZorbaTHut | I'm thinking about it |
| 19:23.33 | Daede | dont come to anvilmar |
| 19:23.35 | ZorbaTHut | I got friends there, and the friends I got on other servers aren't in better guilds |
| 19:23.36 | Daede | it sucks here |
| 19:23.42 | Spellshaper | if you can, get some guildies to transfer with you |
| 19:23.46 | ZorbaTHut | so I'd basically have to go find a big server and try to wedge my way into the guild |
| 19:23.49 | Kalroth | http://www.wowprogress.com/pve/us/shattered-halls wow ok, that looks pretty grim :) |
| 19:24.09 | ZorbaTHut | I may just wait for 3.2 - I suspect this guild will disband when faction transfers show up |
| 19:24.10 | Grum | lol |
| 19:24.21 | Daede | yep |
| 19:24.28 | Grum | you are horde or alliance on that server? :D |
| 19:24.29 | ZorbaTHut | kalroth, you see "Stay Frosty" up there? |
| 19:24.32 | Daede | im goin horde/pvp on my dk and my hunter |
| 19:24.35 | ZorbaTHut | They disbanded a month and a half ago. |
| 19:24.41 | Kalroth | ZorbaTHut: oh :/ |
| 19:24.55 | ZorbaTHut | Top Alliance guild is Catalyst, which is what I'm in. And yeah. It's pretty bad. |
| 19:25.02 | ZorbaTHut | (ha ha, pretty grim, I see what you did there) |
| 19:25.05 | Kalroth | :P |
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| 19:25.49 | Kalroth | well it's not like my server is that much better, there's 2 guilds trying for the harder modes |
| 19:25.56 | Kalroth | rest seems to have the summertime blues |
| 19:25.58 | Grum | we have ~6-7 orso |
| 19:26.04 | Kalroth | http://www.wowprogress.com/pve/eu/stormrage |
| 19:26.11 | Grum | http://www.wowprogress.com/pve/eu/emerald-dream |
| 19:26.13 | Grum | but also not great |
| 19:26.15 | Kalroth | but I'm on a PvE server, so I'm used to being behind |
| 19:26.29 | Kalroth | Grum: holy alliance guilds |
| 19:26.50 | Grum | aye :p |
| 19:28.12 | ZorbaTHut | I'm also kinda worried about picking a server that has a guild I can get along with, there have been some really awful guilds on my server. I don't want to end up on a server where the best guilds spend all their time pumping up their own egos in /2 :P |
| 19:28.33 | Grum | we never talk in /2 :) |
| 19:28.45 | Grum | raid only 16 hours per week |
| 19:28.46 | Kalroth | http://shainai.k-dev.net/Algalon_High.wmv our Algalon 10 man kill, if anyone wants to see default UI in action :P |
| 19:28.58 | Grum | we did a whopping 5 minutes more last night .. unique! |
| 19:29.23 | Kalroth | Grum: same here, 4 raid days of 4 hours, usually less though |
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| 19:29.46 | Grum | ah well we do hardmodes, that takes it time |
| 19:29.58 | Grum | headbutting until it dies! |
| 19:30.11 | Kalroth | only way to do it! |
| 19:30.32 | ZorbaTHut | we have some people who just do not understand progression :P |
| 19:30.41 | ZorbaTHut | "oh we wiped twice, we probably don't have good enough gear, let's come back next week" |
| 19:30.58 | Grum | hehe |
| 19:30.59 | Kalroth | >< |
| 19:31.03 | Grum | what class are you? :D |
| 19:31.09 | ZorbaTHut | grum, prot warrior |
| 19:31.13 | Grum | ah |
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| 19:31.23 | ZorbaTHut | running headfirst into walls is practically my job! ;) |
| 19:31.35 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: oddly, we have the opposite problem "oh, we've wiped to this boss all night, without even coming close. We probably just need more practice." >< |
| 19:31.54 | Lunessa | ZorbaTHut: I'm fond of saying "This is an easy boss, and we normally 1-shot him. Tonight we've wiped 5 times. Raid's over. Come back next week with your head in the game." |
| 19:31.56 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, sounds like more fun to me. at least if you're trying to, you know, get better |
| 19:32.19 | Kalroth | Well yes and no |
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| 19:32.31 | ZorbaTHut | I think my last shot at this guild is going to be talking people into flasking and buffing properly, since we can't even get that right reliably |
| 19:32.33 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: thats the thing.. half the raid pretty much just facerolls their way through the content each night, they don't try |
| 19:32.34 | Kalroth | it sucks repeatedly wiping if people don't fix their mistakes |
| 19:33.02 | Lukian | ZorbaTHut, do your pallys buff? :> |
| 19:33.07 | Kalroth | lol |
| 19:33.08 | ZorbaTHut | lukian, mostly. :P |
| 19:33.13 | Kalroth | that's a pretty low criteria :P |
| 19:33.24 | ZorbaTHut | I don't think I've seen us go into a single fight with full pally buffs. |
| 19:33.44 | NightHawkTheSane | we solve THAT problem by not having any pallies :( |
| 19:33.45 | Kalroth | ouch |
| 19:33.54 | ZorbaTHut | nighthawk, that sounds like a suboptimal solution |
| 19:33.58 | Kalroth | I got an addon for that, Zorba :) |
| 19:34.08 | NightHawkTheSane | ZorbaTHut: its not actually a solution, we just really have no pallies. |
| 19:34.11 | Kalroth | Paladins are slackers by nature, they need to be whipped into submission |
| 19:34.27 | ZorbaTHut | kalroth, yeah, I'm trying to demonstrate to the guild leaders that it's a real problem |
| 19:34.42 | ZorbaTHut | right now the GL solutions come down to "you guys should try harder, this is easy! let's do it over and over again" |
| 19:34.47 | Kalroth | oh, you're not an officer/RL - that can be pretty frustrating then |
| 19:35.01 | Lunessa | I joined a VoA raid the other night, I out-geared 90% of the raid, and they bitched at me for not flasking. |
| 19:35.02 | ZorbaTHut | whereas the real low-hanging fruit is just being ignored |
| 19:35.15 | Lukian | Lunessa, hahaha |
| 19:35.24 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, I'm not. it can be frustrating. on the plus side, I'm very respected by pretty much the entire guild at this point |
| 19:35.26 | Kalroth | Lunessa: flasking in a pug? wtf |
| 19:35.29 | NightHawkTheSane | Lunessa: i get bitched at for not flasking as a healer. :( |
| 19:35.46 | ZorbaTHut | I'm probably the most influential person in the guild who isn't a raid leader or officer. so I've got some power. |
| 19:35.54 | Lukian | Kalroth, a) it's cheap b) it helps their shit dps:> |
| 19:36.13 | Kalroth | ZorbaTHut: ask to be a raid assist and spam http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/raidbuffstatus.aspx before boss pulls |
| 19:36.15 | Lunessa | Then, when the raid was over I posted Recount. I was #2 DPS behind a rogue in Ulduar gear and said, "No flask for easy mode content." |
| 19:36.29 | ZorbaTHut | kalroth, workin' on it. right now I can't get permission because "oh it's not really a problem" |
| 19:36.39 | Kalroth | Lukian: No I mean, who would flask in a pug? You're lucky if half the group is even in the right instance |
| 19:36.39 | ZorbaTHut | so I rigged up a plugin to log RaidBuffStatus reports to a file at every pull |
| 19:36.45 | ZorbaTHut | which I'm going to go post on the forum in a day or two |
| 19:36.50 | Kalroth | ZorbaTHut: nice :) |
| 19:36.55 | Lunessa | But, for a regular raid, I always flask/elixir it up, use buff food, etc. |
| 19:36.56 | Lukian | Kalroth, lol. |
| 19:37.03 | ZorbaTHut | either that will prove it's a problem, or nothing will :) |
| 19:37.37 | Kalroth | ZorbaTHut: Well no wonder you're having problems with bosses if you aren't even bothering to buff correctly |
| 19:37.52 | Kalroth | lacking BoK or BoM hurts overall raid performance by a lot |
| 19:37.59 | Kalroth | (or BoW) |
| 19:38.28 | ZorbaTHut | http://www.pastebin.org/335 <-- an example of our typical performance |
| 19:38.47 | Kalroth | <Paladin blessing>: MANY! |
| 19:38.48 | Kalroth | lol |
| 19:39.32 | Kalroth | I love how it catches bad/missing auras, water shield, etc. too |
| 19:39.50 | NightHawkTheSane | thats pretty snazzy |
| 19:40.09 | Kalroth | and even afk people, people in other zones (corpse running etc) |
| 19:40.17 | Kalroth | as well as thorns, vigilance, etc. |
| 19:40.42 | Kalroth | all the little things, but it adds up |
| 19:41.12 | ZorbaTHut | I'm trying to get better at vigilance. I'd be lying if I claimed I was 100% on those charts |
| 19:41.16 | Kalroth | We've had an Iron Council hardmode kill with 200 ms difference between the last tank death and Steelbreaker death |
| 19:41.17 | ZorbaTHut | but yeah, it all adds up |
| 19:41.22 | Grum | what addon is that Kal? |
| 19:41.35 | ZorbaTHut | we had a Kologarn wipe at triple-digit HP. that was sad |
| 19:41.35 | Kalroth | http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/details/raidbuffstatus.aspx |
| 19:41.57 | Kalroth | Make sure to config it properly, it'll spam tons of useless shit if not |
| 19:42.02 | Kalroth | but once it's setup, it's gold |
| 19:42.11 | Kalroth | it can even ask PallyPower to see who's slacking |
| 19:42.18 | ZorbaTHut | I've got RBS set to default right now, since I'm not sure which buffs are actually important |
| 19:42.51 | Kalroth | well I had stuff like hunter aura and uhhm, was a few things more as well |
| 19:43.13 | kd3 | just uses big brother's quickcheck |
| 19:43.15 | Kalroth | some of the self buffs are fairly redundant (for us anyways) as well |
| 19:43.21 | kd3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.22 | Kalroth | BigBrother is bad, kd3 :( |
| 19:43.33 | kd3 | it fills my needs |
| 19:43.43 | Kalroth | Antiarc did some tests on it, it eats way too many CPU cycles for what it's doing |
| 19:43.50 | Kalroth | That's why he made LittleBrother |
| 19:44.15 | kd3 | zomg unefficient ace addons? inconceivable |
| 19:44.54 | Kalroth | I wasn't bashing the addon, I've used it back since SSC - just the fact that it eats a lot of CPU cycles and can cause some machines to grind to a hault during heavy AoE spam |
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| 19:45.33 | kd3 | watches his joke fly off into the distance |
| 19:45.53 | Kalroth | I didn't miss it, I ignored it :p |
| 19:46.03 | ZorbaTHut | hey, wow-heroes says I'm #25 best geared on the faction |
| 19:46.34 | Kalroth | ZorbaTHut: If I was an asshole then I'd say something about a small pond etc., but I'm not! |
| 19:46.40 | Kalroth | :P |
| 19:46.46 | ZorbaTHut | kalroth, well, you'd be right ;) |
| 19:47.17 | Kalroth | but you really should try and find another server/guild if they don't listen to your points about optimization |
| 19:47.24 | Kalroth | I realize it's just a game and all |
| 19:47.26 | kd3 | yay, another IE flaw exploited in the wild |
| 19:47.30 | ZorbaTHut | yeah, as I said, probably 3.2. right now I just don't have time anyway |
| 19:47.30 | ckknight | kd3: link |
| 19:47.34 | Lunessa | kd3: You keep on using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. |
| 19:47.35 | Kalroth | ah |
| 19:47.40 | ZorbaTHut | I'll miss the dudes here though :( |
| 19:47.41 | kd3 | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/06/new_microsoft_exploit_in_wild/ |
| 19:48.00 | Kalroth | ZorbaTHut: yeah, the social life is what makes most players stick with their guild, good or bad |
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| 19:49.06 | Kalroth | kd3: oh god, more "keke look at funay picture http://some.site.cn/obvious_trojan.jpg" links on the forums >< |
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| 19:52.10 | Jrdcl | Hrm, so I have a frame using UIDropDownMenuTemplate, and it works fine, but I am unable to have an OnEnter script fire for it (wanted to make a help tip for it). Is there some way to make it fire OnEnter/OnLeave events? |
| 19:52.25 | kd3 | in other news... horror: "World's largest grease fire rages into its 14th hour. It's a bacon factory, everybody panic [Followup]" |
| 19:53.23 | ScytheBlade1 | at least it'd smell good |
| 19:53.34 | kd3 | if you like the smell of ammonia, sure |
| 19:53.47 | ScytheBlade1 | oh |
| 19:53.48 | ScytheBlade1 | point |
| 19:53.52 | Kalroth | NOT THE BACON |
| 19:57.18 | nicoli_s | mmm, i bet that cooked in a 14 hour fire bacon is delicious |
| 19:57.30 | Daede | lol |
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| 19:58.48 | Kraps_ | Two Jormungers |
| 19:59.40 | Nafe|away | one colliseum... |
| 20:00.45 | Kraps_ | coming soon' |
| 20:01.37 | Kraps_ | hold on |
| 20:02.01 | Kraps_ | not one but TWO Jormungers |
| 20:03.33 | kd3 | hm... |
| 20:03.57 | kd3 | need a color for npc text "NPC says: Buy my bread! It's fresh" that works on a white background |
| 20:04.24 | nevcairiel | black is good on white |
| 20:04.24 | Bruners | black |
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| 20:05.04 | Kraps_ | The Bronze Dragonflight has finally tracked the Infinites to their source, and you (along with your epic'd out raid) must enter the distant, post-apocalyptic future version of Orgrimmar/Stromwind, where the mysterious ruler of the Infinite Dragonflight has taken residence. This would be the final Caverns of Time. |
| 20:05.26 | Kraps_ | future wow, yeah |
| 20:07.29 | durcyn | and it turns out to be kael'thas |
| 20:07.32 | durcyn | nm nm |
| 20:07.50 | Kraps_ | lol |
| 20:08.07 | Kraps_ | Caverns of Time: Caverns of Time. |
| 20:08.13 | Kraps_ | You are a group of adventurers going back in time to stop the Infinite Dragonflight from stopping a group of adventurers trying to stop the Infinite Dragonflight. |
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| 20:08.26 | nevcairiel | o.O |
| 20:08.34 | ckknight | sounds go |
| 20:08.35 | Kraps_ | :) |
| 20:08.37 | ckknight | cool* |
| 20:08.51 | Kraps_ | sometimes the forums are worth it |
| 20:09.03 | Daede | ck, can i ask you a question? |
| 20:09.56 | Daede | you said that pb4 will never have an import layout option.. why? that was the best part about pb3 =P |
| 20:10.19 | Grum | meh just make another addon which does it |
| 20:10.51 | foxlit | http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25160 << hilarity ensues. |
| 20:11.19 | Lunessa | I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that Nozdromu - leader of the Bronze Dragon Flight is also the leader of the Infinite Dragonflight. |
| 20:13.15 | Grum | are there any addons that let you easily assist someone? |
| 20:13.49 | Lukian | F key? :p |
| 20:13.56 | Grum | ea: just target someone and hit a 'zomg you are main assist button' and the next time you press it .. you assist that person? |
| 20:14.07 | foxlit | Lunessa: I think you're not utilizing all of the time paradox potential with that assumption. |
| 20:14.27 | Lukian | Grum, you could do that with a macro easily enough (I think) |
| 20:14.30 | durcyn | Lukian: oh, that leads to such wonderful encounter concepts as nozdormu flying around a pedestal and being killed by players riding red dragons |
| 20:14.34 | durcyn | er Lunessa ^ |
| 20:14.50 | Grum | mm yeah it appears i ahve to use a macro to rewrite itself |
| 20:14.51 | Lunessa | foxlit: Naturally! Gotta leave room for Ah-nold to come back and use Skynet to wipe out the Titans. |
| 20:14.52 | Kraps_ | Lunessa: not much of a limb, people have been saying that since the quest from Chromie |
| 20:15.39 | Lunessa | Kraps_: I've suspected as much from the original introduction of CoT - :P~~ |
| 20:15.50 | Kraps_ | really? |
| 20:15.56 | Kraps_ | whats that? |
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| 20:16.20 | Fisker | slaps Kraps_ around a bit with a large trout |
| 20:16.36 | Kraps_ | FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU FISKER |
| 20:18.22 | Fisker | owned |
| 20:21.24 | Daede | lol omg wtg dairy queen bbq |
| 20:21.45 | Daede | there is a very brave fly in my room |
| 20:21.49 | Daede | its on |
| 20:22.14 | Kraps_ | challenge it to a duel |
| 20:22.28 | Daede | im gonna kill it |
| 20:22.42 | Daede | but the only place it will land |
| 20:22.49 | Daede | is on my screens... |
| 20:24.56 | Grum | macros get re-ordered by their names right? |
| 20:25.59 | ScytheBlade1 | yes |
| 20:26.14 | Grum | so how can i make 'EditMacro' always edit itself? :D |
| 20:27.36 | alestane | It would have to find itself by name. |
| 20:27.43 | Grum | mm yeah guess so |
| 20:27.55 | Grum | there are 48 account wide slots right? |
| 20:28.04 | alestane | I have a post on this somewhere, give me a second. |
| 20:28.17 | Grum | i need a macro that can edit itself :P |
| 20:28.24 | alestane | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2518015964&postId=24711529113&sid=1#13 |
| 20:28.51 | foxlit | I wonder why |
| 20:29.05 | alestane | Warning: Arcane Lua inside. |
| 20:29.45 | foxlit | Interesting. |
| 20:30.00 | foxlit | You choose to kill the white space yet "Three" "Two" "One" remain |
| 20:30.00 | Fisker | i hate you Grum |
| 20:30.03 | Fisker | i hate you to the max |
| 20:30.10 | Fisker | I may just blow up the world |
| 20:30.19 | Grum | summons 124567912 monkies to rape Fisker. |
| 20:30.19 | Daede | I dare you. |
| 20:30.22 | Thunder_Child | i dare you to do it |
| 20:30.33 | Fisker | oh i will |
| 20:30.46 | Daede | my dad has a saying for times like this |
| 20:30.55 | Daede | put out or get out |
| 20:31.04 | alestane | The macro can probably be slimmed down quite a bit if your needs are more specific. |
| 20:31.06 | Grum | alestane: care to tinker it into an assist macro? ;) |
| 20:31.07 | Fisker | I just sat outside Ulduar for 3½ hours because i couldn't come for Vezax hardmode |
| 20:31.19 | Daede | That sucks |
| 20:31.24 | Fisker | So i was supposed to join when they got him down |
| 20:31.25 | Daede | want a hanky? |
| 20:31.31 | Fisker | Then someone gets a yogg-saron achievement |
| 20:31.41 | Fisker | so they took down Vezax |
| 20:31.44 | alestane | Grum: I'm not sure yet what you want it to do. |
| 20:31.57 | Grum | on alt/shift/ctrl (or any of em) |
| 20:31.58 | Fisker | And i've been waiting the last 3½ hours just so they can ninja yogg |
| 20:32.07 | Grum | set my current friendly target as 'assist target' |
| 20:32.09 | Fisker | my rage level is |------------------------------------------------------------------|| |
| 20:32.16 | Fisker | infact that's not even accurate |
| 20:32.36 | Fisker | it's |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->( that's a hole) | |
| 20:32.49 | Grum | and rewrite itself to assist the person when no modifiers are pressed |
| 20:33.33 | Kraps_ | Fisker: what the FUCK are you talking about |
| 20:33.42 | Torhal | Kraps_: Fisker rages constantly. |
| 20:33.45 | Fisker | I was promised a spot on yogg |
| 20:33.47 | Torhal | It's a Fisker thing. |
| 20:33.50 | Fisker | After they had taken down Vezax |
| 20:33.52 | Grum | hmmm not even sure you can do that |
| 20:33.55 | Fisker | They used 3½ hours wiping on hardmode |
| 20:34.00 | Fisker | And then they took yogg |
| 20:34.04 | Fisker | GG |
| 20:34.10 | Grum | ca nyou have an: /assist [nomodifier] name? |
| 20:34.16 | alestane | Sure. |
| 20:34.30 | Kraps_ | Fisker are you a moderator on mmo champ? |
| 20:34.37 | Bruners | haha |
| 20:34.38 | Fisker | sure |
| 20:34.43 | foxlit | It's worth pointing out that you can just use focus. |
| 20:34.46 | Daede | your grandma goes to grad school |
| 20:34.49 | alestane | Grum: You're asking for /assist [mod] name, however. |
| 20:34.50 | Thunder_Child | who would let Fisker be a mod *anywhere*? |
| 20:35.02 | Grum | mmm |
| 20:35.07 | Grum | how does the assisting thing work? |
| 20:35.10 | Fisker | people who need srs and objective moderation Thunder_Child |
| 20:35.13 | alestane | Grum: Is there some reason you can't use focus? |
| 20:35.15 | Grum | a /assist just targets targetoftarget right? |
| 20:35.20 | Kraps_ | theres a mod named fisker |
| 20:35.21 | Grum | alestane: i need to use it for other shit |
| 20:35.38 | Kraps_ | or its just you posting? |
| 20:35.50 | Kraps_ | and they all get deleted? |
| 20:35.52 | Thunder_Child | Fisker, sooooo...your the comic relief? |
| 20:36.00 | Daede | you're* |
| 20:36.16 | nicoli_s | fisker is everything, and also nothing |
| 20:36.27 | nicoli_s | and curse premium #1 |
| 20:36.28 | kd3 | so... I need people who are good with colors |
| 20:36.28 | Fisker | in b4 alpha and the omega |
| 20:36.32 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template_talk:Text#Please_think_about_light.2Fdark_skins.21 |
| 20:38.43 | Fisker | it's horrible kd3 |
| 20:38.58 | kd3 | indeed. which is why I need better colors |
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| 20:39.06 | Fisker | puuuuuurple |
| 20:39.22 | alestane | Grum: Some name other than "EditMacro" will be much more readable. |
| 20:39.23 | AnduinLothar | black, lots of black |
| 20:39.36 | Kraps | ty mom for switching off the circuit |
| 20:40.17 | Fisker | MOOOOOOOM |
| 20:41.05 | Kraps | "make a device that lets the treadmill control movement in-game (as you run your toon runs). WoW players would go from slabs of fat to perhaps the most fit group of people on Earth. " |
| 20:41.30 | Daede | X-Box 360: Project Natal |
| 20:41.38 | durcyn | do i have to flap my arms in flight form? that'd get old. |
| 20:41.53 | Kraps | http://hackedgadgets.com/2008/08/26/world-of-warcraft-treadmill-race-across-azeroth-with-a-runcraft/ |
| 20:42.23 | Torhal | Kraps: Will it make your toon go faster than 7 yards per second? :) |
| 20:42.23 | Daede | question: how is it wow has a /fart emote, but my friend Uraniumfarts had to change his name because it was offensive? |
| 20:42.48 | Kraps | Daede: uranium |
| 20:42.55 | foxlit | Besides. |
| 20:43.02 | Torhal | Daede: Because they replaced the server interns with janitors, so they had to replace the GM interns with prudes. |
| 20:43.11 | Daede | nah they said his name referred to a bodily function |
| 20:43.12 | foxlit | Names that are composed of two or more words back-to-back can just go right ahead and perish. |
| 20:43.29 | Kraps | like foxlit? :) |
| 20:43.34 | Torhal | GMs generally don't give a shit unles a name is reported. |
| 20:43.39 | Daede | pff my shammys name is ßurntßeef |
| 20:43.42 | Torhal | There's a Steveperry and Mileycyrus on my server |
| 20:43.57 | Thunder_Child | my shammys name is totemphiliac |
| 20:44.04 | Kraps | Torhal: any idea what the fall speed is? |
| 20:44.11 | Daede | my friend's druid is named Dendrophile |
| 20:44.20 | foxlit | Kraps: Not a character name, thankfully :) |
| 20:44.22 | Torhal | Kraps: No clue, since they won't give us access to the Z coord. |
| 20:44.43 | alestane | Grum: Try http://wowuidev.pastey.net/117140, gott run now, be back soon. |
| 20:44.44 | Kraps | shammy named Grabmytotem in my guild |
| 20:44.45 | Daede | so thats why there's no altimiter addon yet |
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| 20:44.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Daede: ssurntsseef is kinda hard to pronounce |
| 20:45.33 | foxlit | And names that have non-ASCII chars spelling english words should be first in line to perish. |
| 20:45.37 | Daede | yes i understand the actual pronunciation of ß, but 99.9999995% of the people that play on my realm, you would actually have to explain that to |
| 20:46.03 | Daede | foxlit needs a hug |
| 20:46.45 | foxlit | finished Assassin's Creed. |
| 20:46.49 | foxlit | Welcome me to 2008 instead |
| 20:47.03 | Kraps | AC2 looks great |
| 20:47.11 | Daede | nvm |
| 20:47.17 | Daede | no special chars in nicks, it would appear |
| 20:47.24 | Grum | so it should be a: /assist [nomod] name; /script EditMacro(1, "A", 1, gsub(GetMacroBody(1),"(.*] )\S*( .*)", "%1"..UnitName("target").."%2") |
| 20:51.43 | Daede | anybody else on a US server having trouble getting into their account? |
| 20:51.48 | Torhal | Daede: Yah, I wanted to cringe when I saw the name Ãandaid |
| 20:51.49 | NeoTron | started playing Fallout 3. |
| 20:51.53 | NeoTron | it's a pretty awesome game |
| 20:51.55 | Daede | like into account management on the website, sorry |
| 20:52.07 | Kraps | http://www.darklegacycomics.com/196.html |
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| 20:53.23 | Daede | Error Encountered! |
| 20:53.23 | Daede | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:53.31 | Daede | how descriptive |
| 20:55.18 | Shirik_ | kd3: ping |
| 20:55.18 | Kraps | lulz |
| 20:55.18 | nicoli_s | assassin's creed had too much repetition for me |
| 20:55.22 | kd3 | pong |
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| 20:57.34 | Kraps | nicoli_s: the pc version as a bit more variety |
| 20:58.17 | kd3 | Shirik_, what's up? |
| 20:59.04 | Shirik_ | ever heard of an anime "Stand Alone Complex?" |
| 20:59.23 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 20:59.26 | Thunder_Child | ghost in the shell |
| 20:59.29 | kd3 | the ghost in the shell tv series. one of my favorites |
| 20:59.43 | Shirik_ | oh is it part of the ghost in the shell? |
| 20:59.47 | Shirik_ | er |
| 20:59.48 | Thunder_Child | yes |
| 20:59.50 | Shirik_ | -the |
| 20:59.51 | Thunder_Child | #2 |
| 20:59.53 | Shirik_ | or +series |
| 20:59.56 | Thunder_Child | more or less |
| 20:59.59 | kd3 | http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=anime&aid=247 |
| 21:00.06 | Shirik_ | is it good? |
| 21:00.08 | Shirik_ | oh one of your favorites |
| 21:00.18 | Shirik_ | pandora started playing music from it I liked it |
| 21:00.20 | Fisker | stares at Shirik_ |
| 21:00.20 | kd3 | better: http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?show=rel&aid=247 |
| 21:00.21 | Shirik_ | all I have to go off of right now :P |
| 21:00.23 | Fisker | why so _? |
| 21:00.28 | Thunder_Child | i got through 90% of the first one and never finished |
| 21:00.30 | kd3 | it's yoko kanno music |
| 21:00.33 | sacarasc | GitS:SAC was pretty good. GitS:SAC2 I never finished, just bored me. |
| 21:00.34 | Shirik_ | so when my home computer comes back it doesn't ghost me off :P |
| 21:00.43 | kd3 | actually physically owns some of the gits soundtracks |
| 21:01.11 | Fisker | mentally owns |
| 21:01.51 | nicoli_s | i need to get around to watching the newer gits |
| 21:01.59 | nicoli_s | loved the movie and first season |
| 21:02.06 | sacarasc | Leave it there! |
| 21:02.07 | nicoli_s | but i heard the second one was a little dull |
| 21:02.28 | kd3 | the second movie is dull |
| 21:02.44 | kd3 | it's batou and what's-his-name quoting literature at each other |
| 21:03.04 | nicoli_s | ahhh |
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| 21:03.32 | nicoli_s | i havent seen a good anime series other than that in years |
| 21:03.45 | sacarasc | Lucky Star! |
| 21:03.49 | sacarasc | giggles. |
| 21:03.53 | kd3 | depends on what you like; I'll name some options |
| 21:04.18 | nicoli_s | its gotta be more adult oriented, i hate bleach and all that stuff |
| 21:04.49 | kd3 | go watch 'eden of the east' then. same director as the gits series, set in 2011 or so |
| 21:05.26 | nicoli_s | will do |
| 21:05.39 | nicoli_s | last anime shows i liked were gits, cowboy bebop and blue sub six |
| 21:05.43 | durcyn | grab the the appleseed movies if you haven't seen them yet, nicoli_s |
| 21:05.49 | kd3 | http://anidb.net/perl-bin/animedb.pl?uid=328655&show=mylist&orderby.vote=0.2&orderby.name=1.1&do.filter=1 |
| 21:05.56 | Thunder_Child | slayers! |
| 21:06.41 | sacarasc | The animation in Appleseed made me stop watching it after about 5 minutes. |
| 21:07.02 | kd3 | appleseed's cg is eh. if you can look past it it's a pretty good adaptation of the manga |
| 21:07.43 | nicoli_s | thats whats kept me from watching appleseed so far is the cg |
| 21:08.23 | sacarasc | I think I might rewatch Hayate season 1... |
| 21:08.27 | Fisker | slaps nicoli_s around a bit with a large trout |
| 21:08.33 | kd3 | hayate s2 has been awesome |
| 21:09.01 | kd3 | hina's birthday arc <3 |
| 21:09.01 | nicoli_s | i just wish miyazaki made a new movie like every 6 months |
| 21:09.01 | sacarasc | Artist: Itou Shizuka & Yahagi Sayuri & Nakao Eri & Asano Masumi | Album: Honjitsu, Mankai Watashi iro! | Title: Honjitsu, Mankai Watashi iro! | Time: 0:03/3:46 (1%) |
| 21:09.01 | sacarasc | <3 |
| 21:09.02 | kd3 | lol |
| 21:09.07 | kd3 | go snag her full-length album "HiNA" if you haven't already |
| 21:09.14 | Fisker | good night nicoli_s :( |
| 21:09.27 | Fisker | May i survive another day for a chance of playing SC2 beta |
| 21:09.30 | nicoli_s | sorry you didnt get yer sc2 today fisker |
| 21:09.41 | nicoli_s | if it makes you feel any better im just as devastated |
| 21:09.58 | Torhal | nicoli_s: Impossible. You don't have the capacity for rage. |
| 21:10.18 | Fisker | yeah well atleast you won't be dying nicoli_s :( |
| 21:10.48 | Torhal | Fisker: Does it feel as though your soul has been Zerged? |
| 21:15.38 | bleeter | RAAAR |
| 21:15.55 | bleeter | kd3: how the hell am I meant to presto the PTR if I keep running out of disk space on my FAT32?!!! ARGHAGAHRG |
| 21:16.17 | bleeter | can't even install the PTR /kick sand |
| 21:17.57 | sacarasc | gives bleeter a brand new 1MB hard drive! |
| 21:18.04 | sacarasc | That will solve your problems. |
| 21:18.53 | Thunder_Child | ~fail bleeter |
| 21:18.53 | purl | bleeter: FAIL! |
| 21:19.01 | bleeter | sacarasc: cheers, though I suspect I'll be fixed by some creative symlinking |
| 21:19.15 | bleeter | hey, anyone ever installed WoW over NFS? :D |
| 21:26.11 | bleeter | DOH! |
| 21:26.53 | bleeter | removes a couple of OSX10.4 disk images and an F11 i386/ppc/x86_64 mirror while crying out 'Thanks for the tips, kd3! You're ace!' |
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| 21:35.58 | Arrowmaster | nicoli_s, sacarasc: the animation in the 2nd appleseed movie is a lot better |
| 21:36.29 | nicoli_s | i might have to check it out, i thought the first one looked cool a loooong time ago |
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| 21:36.49 | Arrowmaster | really its just the coloring in the first one that looks weird |
| 21:36.54 | Arrowmaster | the animation is rather good |
| 21:37.36 | nicoli_s | have you see paprika? i wish that guy made more movies |
| 21:37.44 | Arrowmaster | nicoli_s: if you want an 'adult' anime to watch get Mnemosyne |
| 21:38.13 | Arrowmaster | dont think i have |
| 21:38.22 | nicoli_s | paprika is a great visual mind fuck |
| 21:39.15 | nicoli_s | basically these people make this machine that allows people to enter other peoples dreams and manipulate them, and then it starts spilling over into the real world, so the people can never tell if they are still in their crazy fucked up dream land or crazy fucked up real world |
| 21:39.20 | Arrowmaster | another good one is the Kara no Kyoukai series of movies, 5 of 7 have been released so far |
| 21:39.51 | Lunessa | nicoli_s: I think I watched it. I believe oddly enough, it was on Hulu . |
| 21:40.22 | Arrowmaster | although it helps to be familiar with the Type-Moon universe and their previous works to really understand Kara no Kyoukai |
| 21:41.56 | nicoli_s | well i'll check em out |
| 21:43.06 | Arrowmaster | Mnemosyne is one of my recent favorites |
| 21:44.17 | Arrowmaster | for true mind fuckery horror theres always Higurashi |
| 21:44.50 | Lunessa | Please, no "Legend of the Overfiend." |
| 21:44.54 | nicoli_s | that sounds like something i wanna watcdh |
| 21:45.01 | nicoli_s | i love fucked up movies |
| 21:45.11 | Grum | \o/ vez hard down |
| 21:45.23 | Arrowmaster | higurashi doesnt start making sense until the 2nd season |
| 21:45.31 | durcyn | weeksbehind, i mean good job, Grum |
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| 21:45.54 | Grum | durcyn: meh! but i got flare of heavens! =) |
| 21:46.43 | durcyn | Grum: die |
| 21:46.49 | Grum | =D |
| 21:46.59 | Grum | and the staff of endless winter ..mruahaha |
| 21:47.08 | nicoli_s | i need to find some new movies to watch, once i got netflix i went through a few weeks of really awesome movies, but now i've gone through most of the ones i wanted to watch and had heard of |
| 21:48.25 | Thunder_Child | someone needs to go update expertise |
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| 21:58.54 | Adys | Anyone knows how to do a pre-commit hook in bzr? |
| 21:59.04 | Adys | eg bzr ci runs ./generate.sh first |
| 22:02.18 | bleeter | WoW PTR Winers: You guys had any problems running WoW-0.2.0.10026-to-0.2.0.10048-enUSownloader.exe? Keeps crashing on me :( |
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| 22:03.36 | bleeter | slaps Blizz's forum search |
| 22:03.40 | bleeter | stupid fucking bug reporting system |
| 22:03.47 | bleeter | shit on a stick |
| 22:04.29 | bleeter | I wouldn't mind doing Blizz's debugging/testing for them, if they gave us better than worse than amateur tools to help |
| 22:04.35 | bleeter | *testing for them for free |
| 22:05.40 | Adys | bleeter: yes |
| 22:05.55 | bleeter | Adys: 2009/07/06 22:01:15 ./Source/Win32/main.cpp(4331) : Assertion failed: (null) "Exception occurred, result written to 'DownloaderException.log'" ? |
| 22:06.13 | Adys | yes, lemme find the bug |
| 22:06.23 | bleeter | Adys: cheers |
| 22:06.34 | Adys | try uh |
| 22:06.37 | Adys | native upnp.dll |
| 22:07.06 | Adys | http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19154 |
| 22:07.10 | Adys | tell me if native upnp fixes it |
| 22:08.14 | bleeter | Adys: shame we can't record such oddness in Blizz's forums.. or if it is there can't search it ;) |
| 22:08.19 | bleeter | Adys: thanks, I'll give it a go |
| 22:09.30 | bleeter | Adys: tried http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18604 ? |
| 22:09.42 | Adys | lemme look |
| 22:10.04 | bleeter | it's a upnp stub someone banged together |
| 22:10.04 | Adys | Yeah that could work |
| 22:10.13 | Adys | no you're right it calls the same class |
| 22:10.30 | bleeter | oh crap, I gotta go see the kids at the local eisteddfod, I'll try this when I get back |
| 22:10.41 | Adys | np. thanks for the link |
| 22:10.46 | bleeter | became a semi-kinda-stepfather the other day to a friends' kids |
| 22:11.00 | bleeter | he's trying to sell the house from under them and don't what crap to do with them either hehe |
| 22:11.10 | Adys | (I did go wtf at "I gotta go see the kids") |
| 22:11.14 | bleeter | nice kids, they play NWN.. so... they're trying to convince me to let them play WoW ;) |
| 22:11.32 | Adys | nwn? |
| 22:11.33 | Adys | poor kids |
| 22:11.38 | nicoli_s | never winter nights |
| 22:12.00 | bleeter | Adys: 'coz he's trying to force a default on the house to get it sold, she's taken up more work to pay the mortgage so they're not homeless, means she can't attend school stuff |
| 22:12.02 | Adys | wasnt a question, was a suggested surprise |
| 22:12.25 | bleeter | some people don't deserve air |
| 22:12.39 | bleeter | Adys: I'll ping ya later about this ;) |
| 22:12.43 | Adys | cheers mate |
| 22:12.43 | bleeter | er the upnp |
| 22:13.09 | Adys | i figured that |
| 22:13.55 | bleeter | Adys: do me a favour and beat blizz's customer facing bug tracker some while I'm away ;) |
| 22:14.06 | Adys | maybe. |
| 22:15.07 | Thunder_Child | does windows use swap even if there is free ram space? |
| 22:18.39 | Adys | fuck |
| 22:18.59 | Coren{de} | TC, if there's some bad fragmentation going on, I'm pretty sure it does... TextPad e.g. fails there badly to load a file which would in theory fit in memory, if the memory is non-continguous |
| 22:19.02 | Adys | I lost the downloader |
| 22:19.09 | Adys | does anyone have WoW-0.2.0.10026-to-0.2.0.10048-enGB-downloader.exe |
| 22:19.12 | Adys | or the enUS version |
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| 22:19.41 | Adys | (i dont mean the patch, I mean the downloader) |
| 22:21.49 | Thunder_Child | seems i do, let me see if i can find it |
| 22:22.53 | Thunder_Child | nvm, seems i deleted it |
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| 22:41.45 | Adys | For the ones who wanted some json |
| 22:41.46 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/search/item/oh/json http://db.mmo-champion.com/items/1/json |
| 22:41.56 | bleeter | Adys: I know I said I was gone... but .. this just floated past my desk on the way out... |
| 22:42.02 | bleeter | http://pidgin.im/pipermail/translators/2009-June/000365.html |
| 22:42.05 | Adys | you cant append json to the item detail pages yet |
| 22:42.12 | bleeter | really leaves as he's getting kicked up the bum by 3 kids |
| 22:42.16 | bleeter | OW |
| 22:42.34 | Adys | whats wrong with latin translations! |
| 22:45.38 | nicoli_s | Adys: subclass should be an int, not text! |
| 22:46.01 | Adys | everything is a string right now |
| 22:46.08 | Adys | its to avoid syntax error |
| 22:46.18 | Adys | this isnt really using json module, its using builtin python dicts |
| 22:46.34 | nicoli_s | ahh |
| 22:46.46 | Adys | i might make it an int at some point yes |
| 22:47.01 | Adys | but right now |
| 22:47.04 | Adys | movie! |
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| 22:51.16 | napster | hey |
| 22:51.18 | napster | sup ;) |
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| 23:13.42 | Shirik_ | ! |
| 23:13.46 | Shirik_ | I just looked at the C++0x changes again |
| 23:13.50 | Shirik_ | the "requires" keyword is awesome |
| 23:14.00 | Shirik_ | missed that before |
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| 23:19.15 | bubl | hey, is there a simple way to get the id, name or link of an item created by a recipe whose ID you know? |
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| 23:39.15 | tekkub | bubl: wowhead |
| 23:43.33 | Thunder_Child | tekkub, make me my addon already |
| 23:44.07 | tekkub | making slideshow |
| 23:44.21 | tekkub | well, more like just throwing everything into iPhoto and letting it do it |
| 23:44.27 | tekkub | thank god it's all automatic |
| 23:44.56 | Thunder_Child | heh, i just spent a couple of hours working on one in ProShow pro |
| 23:46.43 | tekkub | sounds redundant |
| 23:48.43 | Thunder_Child | the second pro is short for producer |
| 23:51.37 | Adys | bubl: yes |
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| 23:52.01 | Adys | the item tooltip is embedded into another tooltip |
| 23:52.08 | Adys | you should be able to delimit the first line |
| 23:52.19 | Adys | do a GetItemInfo(line1:GetText()) |
| 23:54.19 | Arrowmaster | that will never work unless you somehow happen to have the item in your inventory |
